| 00:00:03 | Davide-NYC | lol |
| 00:00:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | But are you sure you extracted and overwrote the whole .rockbox folder? |
| 00:00:08 | Tempis | I guess just the binary |
| 00:00:10 | petur | jhMikeS: nice! |
| 00:00:11 | Tempis | I thought I did |
| 00:00:36 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: yeah, but that should be there already from fully installing whatever build |
| 00:00:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: But notice that his plugins, none of them, are working? |
| 00:01:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Which is why the firwmare_flash.rock isn't either. :) |
| 00:01:13 | jhMikeS | thanks. everthing seems on the up with it. can't test optical 'till be cables come |
| 00:01:28 | scorche | yeah, but that isnt anything that should be an issue if he fully installed |
| 00:02:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: I was trying to determine if the full installation had happened properly though, it sounds like it didn't. |
| 00:02:26 | scorche | ah..gotcha |
| 00:02:37 | Tempis | hold on I think I may have found something |
| 00:02:53 | scorche | Tempis: i am assuming you do not have the ability to compile builds? |
| 00:03:22 | scorche | bah...vmware isnt letting me go in through samba.. |
| 00:03:40 | Tempis | damnit, it won't let me delete the current .rockbox folder |
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| 00:09:02 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Are there docking cradles available for it? |
| 00:09:13 | Davide-NYC | nope :-( |
| 00:09:28 | jhMikeS | rrrr...have to make one then |
| 00:09:50 | Davide-NYC | but this cable is worth buying: http://www.boxwave.com/products/easyfinder/buy-best-iriver-h120-accessories_354.htm |
| 00:10:16 | jhMikeS | I like how the case comes with the metal snap sitting there just waiting to scratch the lcd window |
| 00:10:16 | Davide-NYC | the mini-sync with the 5v supply cable. |
| 00:10:46 | Davide-NYC | Mine goes to the back of the player |
| 00:11:12 | Tempis | something has happened and the .rockbox folder is corrupt |
| 00:11:22 | Davide-NYC | Believe me, if you're an "audio only" kind of guy this is THE PLAYER to beat. |
| 00:12:11 | Davide-NYC | If you like colors and such then the X5 is much cooler. But I only care about connectivity and audio quality and those sort of 'dry' endeavours |
| 00:12:15 | scorche | Tempis: scandisk? |
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| 00:12:20 | jhMikeS | it goes to the back of the player but it's right at the front till you snap it back so it gets it when you're inserting it |
| 00:12:40 | Davide-NYC | true that be a risk I guess. |
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| 00:13:29 | jhMikeS | It won't fit my music collection but no matter |
| 00:13:57 | jhMikeS | Has better retailos than the x5 did though by far |
| 00:14:17 | jhMikeS | I'll upgrade to rockbox when it's charged fully |
| 00:14:26 | Tempis | ok, something is definatley wrong |
| 00:14:35 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 00:14:45 | Tempis | I knew I shouldn't have tried flashing |
| 00:14:53 | scorche | Tempis: ? |
| 00:14:59 | Tempis | now I can't get rockbox installed on it |
| 00:15:08 | scorche | why? |
| 00:15:14 | Tempis | I don't know |
| 00:15:30 | scorche | have you run scandisk? |
| 00:15:35 | Tempis | when I plug in the usb, the files are there, but when I start up the unit it doesn't show up |
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| 00:18:31 | Tempis | stupid windows xp |
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| 00:30:50 | scorche | Tempis: any luck? |
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| 00:33:12 | jhMikeS | has anyone has any trouble with building rb at home on coldfire targets since I moved the system.c/.h stuff? |
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| 00:34:42 | jhMikeS | heh...went back and checked and I see it's been addressed :P |
| 00:34:47 | Tempis | the drive is definately having problems |
| 00:35:11 | scorche | Tempis: did scandisk report any? |
| 00:35:23 | Tempis | yes |
| 00:35:32 | scorche | and what did it report? |
| 00:35:37 | scorche | /fix |
| 00:35:55 | Tempis | I'm runing a surface scan |
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| 00:53:17 | Tempis | ok, I'm just going to replace the drive |
| 00:54:00 | Tempis | I have a 60GB drive here, but I think it's formatted ntfs... can I put it in the archos first and them format it fat32 |
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| 01:03:07 | amiconn | Davide-NYC: Sure the H1x0 has s/pdif, but when it comes to analog audio quality, the X5 is clearly better than the h1x0 |
| 01:03:36 | amiconn | X5 doesn't have tone controls, but the dac in the h1x0 (or probably the circuitry around it) is rather noisy |
| 01:04:40 | scorche | Tempis: if you want |
| 01:04:48 | amiconn | Maybe it differs between units, but that's what I observed with my units |
| 01:04:58 | scorche | but if you have a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter, it will be quicker |
| 01:05:05 | Tempis | I don't |
| 01:05:22 | scorche | are you sure there is a problem with the drive? |
| 01:05:24 | amiconn | Quick format won't take long even through usb1.1 |
| 01:05:25 | Tempis | is there a decent guide to switching out the HD |
| 01:05:32 | Tempis | I'm pretty sure |
| 01:05:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: should I not touch the archos taregts today when im bored? |
| 01:05:45 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: have you noticed any other differencies in the sound besides the SNR? |
| 01:05:47 | Tempis | I've run scan disk twice and it keeps finding errors |
| 01:06:07 | Tempis | plus there have been a few times when I was starting up the Archos when it would give me a HD error |
| 01:06:36 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Or maybe between H100 and H300 (they use the same chip though) |
| 01:06:48 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Nope, at least not with rockbox (and I would be surprised if there were one) |
| 01:06:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: I've found the H120 to be quite noisy as well, in that context. The iFP-700 is actually nearly equally so. |
| 01:07:29 | amiconn | Dunno about the OFs; I just played a few tracks with of long ago on my 140, and actually not a single track with the x5 of |
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| 01:08:07 | Genre9mp3 | I must admit that when I first listened to my H300 I got more hiss than I'd expect to |
| 01:09:05 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Do you think the problem is with the dac or with the amplification of the unit? |
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| 01:09:45 | amiconn | I'm not sure. According to the datasheet the dac should have good enough snr to not cause audible hiss |
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| 01:10:14 | amiconn | But then both my h140 and my h340 have that hiss - and both use the same dac... |
| 01:10:44 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe I should do some tests with the line out... this by-passes any amplification, am I right? |
| 01:10:55 | amiconn | Ticking remotes seem to be common among coldfire based daps |
| 01:11:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: It's readily apparent on line-out too, or was in my brief test. |
| 01:11:35 | amiconn | In that respect, the H300 is the best shielded one (at least mine is). Just silencing the /CS got completely rid of the ticking |
| 01:11:50 | scorche` | Tempis: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6268.msg51577#msg51577 |
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| 01:12:54 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: same here.. ticking completely gone on my H300 |
| 01:24:54 | Genre9mp3 | hmm... according to the uda datasheet the typical SNR for the headphone driver is 93dB with a minimum of 87dB |
| 01:25:37 | Genre9mp3 | sounds good... on paper :/ |
| 01:25:49 | preglow | and that's a-weighted |
| 01:26:31 | Genre9mp3 | yes a-wieghted it says |
| 01:26:40 | Genre9mp3 | what exactly that means? |
| 01:27:26 | Genre9mp3 | would be bigger or smaller if it was c-weighted? |
| 01:27:58 | preglow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_weighting |
| 01:28:11 | preglow | bigger |
| 01:28:12 | preglow | afaik |
| 01:28:44 | Genre9mp3 | well... that's good I suppose |
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| 01:29:40 | Genre9mp3 | A-weighting gives emphasis on human listening capabilities, right? |
| 01:29:55 | preglow | yes |
| 01:30:07 | preglow | at low levels |
| 01:30:26 | Genre9mp3 | I've heard though that some claim that C-weighting is more accurate |
| 01:31:14 | Genre9mp3 | low levels, you mean volume or frequency? |
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| 01:34:41 | Awaken | raaaaaaaaah! |
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| 01:37:04 | preglow | Genre9mp3: volume |
| 01:37:21 | preglow | what weighting to chose depends on the amplitude level |
| 01:37:34 | preglow | a weighting is for low amplitude signals, so in this case it's correct usage |
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| 01:38:00 | Genre9mp3 | isee.. |
| 01:39:00 | preglow | anyone with gtkmm 2.10 installed here? :/ |
| 01:39:01 | gwxnei001 | hey guys my ipod mini 1 keeps restarting with rockbox installed. is it worth having it? or should i use the ipod software until there is a stable release for ipod mini??? |
| 01:39:09 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder what are the specs for the X5 |
| 01:40:59 | Awaken | no news on 5.5 80gb ipod yet i spose? beyond whats on the forums? |
| 01:41:11 | scorche | no |
| 01:41:16 | Genre9mp3 | Aha... the TLV datasheets gives 97dB typical SNR and 90dB minimum |
| 01:41:41 | Genre9mp3 | So according to specs, less hiss for the X5 |
| 01:42:21 | gwxnei001 | or should it run smoothly? |
| 01:43:45 | Genre9mp3 | Interesting fact though is that the UDA gives better SNR than the TLV on Analog-to-Digital |
| 01:43:51 | preglow | gwxnei001: bugs will be had, a "stable" release might be long in the coming |
| 01:44:33 | jhMikeS | maybe they overdo the noise shaping on H120 ;P |
| 01:44:59 | Genre9mp3 | TLV: 90 (with min 85) and UDA: 97 (with min 92) |
| 01:45:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: got your h120? |
| 01:45:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: yup. charging it (was tottaly drained) then upgrade |
| 01:45:32 | preglow | goodzor |
| 01:46:50 | gwxnei001 | yeah i understand that, think it might be my battery though. i'm gonna try with apples software and see how that goes. good work guys! |
| 01:49:04 | gwxnei001 | is there an easy way to format my mini? without waiting for a 37 meg download |
| 01:49:17 | jhMikeS | does it say when charging's done or do you have to guess? :) |
| 01:49:36 | amiconn | The green LED will switch off |
| 01:49:40 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 01:49:54 | amiconn | This is hardware controlled |
| 01:50:11 | jhMikeS | Long time from almost empty? It's been on a couple hours. |
| 01:50:27 | amiconn | Full charge should take max. 2 hours |
| 01:50:50 | amiconn | Maybe the very first is longer... don't remember |
| 01:51:38 | jhMikeS | It had a little and I ran it for about 10min and it then gave battery low on boot the next time |
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| 01:56:57 | DerPhil | hi |
| 01:57:58 | DerPhil | i want to install rockbox on my ipod video (5g). when i run the "ipodpatcher 2" (i know it is 2) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter." - what should i do? |
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| 02:00:01 | DerPhil | does someone know? i wnat to go to bed, but i cant sleep until i know my ipod works with rockbox |
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| 02:04:47 | DerPhil | no? |
| 02:04:48 | DerPhil | :( |
| 02:05:38 | DerPhil | k thx anyway. bye |
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| 02:12:46 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: I was sleeping, sorry. I have read and understood your comments about the superiority of the X5 in terms of analog output |
| 02:12:57 | * | Davide-NYC sometime I just sleep |
| 02:13:22 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: you having battery probs? |
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| 02:14:30 | Genre9mp3 | Davide-NYC: From what I read from the specs the irivers do better on recording though |
| 02:14:44 | Davide-NYC | that clinches it fo rme. |
| 02:14:49 | Davide-NYC | *for me |
| 02:15:50 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I'm just waiting for it to charge up. It was LOW. Hasn't really been on that long. |
| 02:16:16 | Davide-NYC | k |
| 02:16:59 | jhMikeS | Started a charge then started playing around with it for a bit and put it back on. |
| 02:18:01 | jhMikeS | I notice the retailos has the source-specific recording settings there :) |
| 02:19:21 | Davide-NYC | yeah. |
| 02:19:37 | Davide-NYC | Hey I'd like to include a tiny little feature request if at all possible. |
| 02:19:48 | Davide-NYC | The WRS should siplay what input source is selected. |
| 02:20:12 | jhMikeS | yep |
| 02:20:13 | Davide-NYC | Yes you can infer this most of the time by the available options but that requires too much brainpower in certain instances |
| 02:20:34 | Davide-NYC | also FM (while actually recording) and line in look identical |
| 02:20:38 | jhMikeS | Showed full. Looks like it's topping off now |
| 02:21:10 | Davide-NYC | s/siply/display |
| 02:22:30 | jhMikeS | All this stuff is new that came with it and the player like new. Think it was a good buy? |
| 02:24:08 | preglow | every h1x0 bought is a good buy |
| 02:25:25 | jhMikeS | *L* true (unless nonfunctional) but this thing's shiny with the new DAP smell and an iRiver warranty. |
| 02:27:39 | * | Paul_the_Nerd agrees with preglow |
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| 02:28:51 | * | Davide-NYC agrees with preglow |
| 02:32:14 | preglow | i'm seriously thinking about getting another one if i can, they just don't make them like this anymore |
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| 02:35:41 | jhMikeS | manual says approx. 3hrs from full discharge so I guess I shouldn't worry yet |
| 02:37:39 | mechanori | why can't i find the last.fm log |
| 02:37:41 | preglow | bedtime |
| 02:37:43 | preglow | lat0rz |
| 02:38:08 | mechanori | does anyone know what directory it saves to? |
| 02:39:48 | JdGordon | anyone know how to get to the back of a car radio? i unscrewed the 4 screws which look like they hold the front face on.. but i couldnt pull anything apart :'( |
| 02:40:24 | scorche | make/model |
| 02:40:27 | scorche | ? |
| 02:40:31 | JdGordon | holden barina |
| 02:40:59 | mechanori | i'm assuming you're not asking me :( |
| 02:41:04 | JdGordon | not sure what they are called overseas :p |
| 02:41:12 | scorche | ...must be an aussie thing.. |
| 02:41:31 | JdGordon | the car is actually built in germany i tinhk :p |
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| 02:41:42 | scorche | either way, i have never heard of them =P |
| 02:43:02 | JdGordon | is daurn|afk a "car" person? |
| 02:43:37 | scorche | a lot of the radios seem to require some sort of wedging to pop open |
| 02:43:40 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 02:44:15 | jhMikeS | sometimes they have holes in the face that you have to insert a tool into :-\ |
| 02:44:32 | scorche | nails work in those |
| 02:44:52 | JdGordon | u mean behind the screws? |
| 02:44:55 | jhMikeS | sometime requires a hammer but it works |
| 02:45:01 | scorche | JdGordon: doubt it |
| 02:45:20 | scorche | if you could find a picture online or something maybe.. |
| 02:45:47 | jhMikeS | holden is a GM division in Australia |
| 02:46:08 | jhMikeS | if that was the Q about "overseas" |
| 02:46:25 | scorche | i figured as much |
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| 02:47:18 | JdGordon | ah, its the opal corsa in europe... dunno what it is in usa |
| 02:47:27 | jhMikeS | The sold the Monaro here as the GTO |
| 02:47:29 | JdGordon | no its not... |
| 02:47:43 | JdGordon | yeah, nice aussie car that one :) |
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| 02:48:42 | * | jhMikeS wishes Ford brought the Falcon here |
| 02:50:53 | jhMikeS | The American can companies seems to sell all their nice V8 RWD/Manual cars overseas :( |
| 02:52:13 | jhMikeS | car companies even :P |
| 02:53:00 | JdGordon | the internet sux... you can find heaps or guides how to open a damn ipod.. but not 1 showing how to get a car radio out :'( |
| 02:53:06 | mechanori | can anyone help me out with rockscrobbler? |
| 02:53:15 | JdGordon | we can try |
| 02:53:26 | jhMikeS | primacord |
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| 02:53:46 | mechanori | i turned it on in the settings menu, yet i can't find the file it's supposed to output |
| 02:53:57 | JdGordon | did u restart rockbox?> |
| 02:54:01 | JdGordon | for some reason you have to |
| 02:54:04 | mechanori | yes |
| 02:54:24 | JdGordon | it should be /scrobbler.log or something |
| 02:54:31 | mechanori | in .rockbox? |
| 02:54:35 | JdGordon | have u got the filetree only showing supported? |
| 02:54:42 | JdGordon | no in / i tinhk |
| 02:54:42 | mechanori | i'm browsing from a pc |
| 02:55:05 | JdGordon | umm... did u actually listen to any music? |
| 02:55:10 | mechanori | yup! |
| 02:55:12 | Soap | scrobbler.log w/unix line endings |
| 02:55:15 | mechanori | and i've restarted a couple of times too |
| 02:55:26 | JdGordon | .scrobbler.log |
| 02:55:39 | jhMikeS | rb has all thing things I've never tried. What is scrobbler? |
| 02:55:43 | Soap | use something like notepad2 for windows to deal with them properly. |
| 02:55:57 | mechanori | i'm sorry, i don't understand |
| 02:56:27 | Soap | Audioscrobbler / last.fm is a web community which tracks all you listen to and makes recomendations, and provides custom radio channels based on your listening habits. |
| 02:56:30 | Soap | very cool |
| 02:56:45 | JdGordon | pretty lame actully... but a nice addition :p |
| 02:57:01 | mechanori | i've never used it before |
| 02:57:19 | mechanori | i'm interested, but my player never seems to output anything i can put in this logscrobbler program |
| 02:57:45 | mechanori | do i have to change anything h300-side other than the yes or no to last.fm? |
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| 02:59:43 | Soap | the more obscure your tastes, the better it seems to work, though |
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| 03:00:01 | mechanori | have you had any luck with the plugin soap? |
| 03:00:15 | Soap | I use it every day. |
| 03:00:53 | mechanori | where do you find the directory or the file it's supposed to output? |
| 03:02:01 | Soap | did you turn it on in the menu? Hate to ask a stupid question. |
| 03:02:09 | mechanori | i think so! |
| 03:02:21 | mechanori | last.fm in the playback menu, set it to yes, restart |
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| 03:07:33 | mechanori | so am i missing anything soap? |
| 03:07:50 | Soap | I'm having connection issues |
| 03:07:57 | Soap | and haven't seen anything since my last question |
| 03:08:03 | mechanori | <mechanori> i think so! |
| 03:08:03 | mechanori | <mechanori> last.fm in the playback menu, set it to yes, restart |
| 03:09:04 | Soap | and you have played more than one song? |
| 03:09:11 | mechanori | yes |
| 03:09:33 | Soap | and shutdown safely? |
| 03:09:40 | mechanori | what do you mean by safely? |
| 03:09:45 | Soap | and the file is empty or is it not there at all? |
| 03:10:08 | mechanori | i don't see it, and i'm not sure where it should be |
| 03:10:28 | Soap | on windows, right? |
| 03:10:36 | mechanori | right |
| 03:11:23 | Soap | hmm, I don't know. |
| 03:11:53 | mechanori | where should i be looking, though |
| 03:11:55 | mechanori | in the root? |
| 03:12:34 | Soap | IIRC |
| 03:12:53 | Soap | my ipod is in my truck |
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| 03:26:13 | jhMikeS | ooh done charging! :) *less anxiety now* |
| 03:26:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:30:32 | Davide-NYC | how do I upgrade to make v3.81? |
| 03:30:39 | Davide-NYC | some sort of apt-get command? |
| 03:30:41 | lostlogic | 4/win6 |
| 03:30:46 | lostlogic | mmm, yeah. |
| 03:30:57 | Davide-NYC | I'm using the VMWare debian image |
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| 03:53:19 | jhMikeS | the firmware patcher is very particular about checking the correctness of things I expect? |
| 03:53:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | It compares the output with an md5 checksum, I believe |
| 03:55:25 | jhMikeS | guess that's pretty particular |
| 03:55:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well statistically speaking it should be impossible for the patching to fail and the file still verify. |
| 03:57:17 | jhMikeS | how many bits? Impossible given the short life of the universe compared to the probability of a random match |
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| 03:58:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Heh |
| 03:59:18 | Soap | is there a rockbox group cloak? |
| 03:59:38 | jhMikeS | heh, brickless today |
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| 04:00:07 | funky | Soap: like this ? |
| 04:00:41 | Soap | ahh, there is. |
| 04:00:54 | Soap | can I beg and plead for one? |
| 04:02:50 | * | Paul_the_Nerd has no idea who gives 'em out. |
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| 04:08:14 | scorche | LinusN should be the one that does that |
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| 04:43:53 | Davide-NYC | I hate to badger you guys but what is the procedure to update MAKE in a VMWare image? |
| 04:44:16 | scorche | badger...hehe |
| 04:44:52 | scorche | you spelt it wrong |
| 04:45:19 | scorche | btw, just an apt-get should be fine |
| 04:48:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | apt-get install what? |
| 04:49:17 | JdGordon | apt-get install make most probably |
| 04:49:23 | JdGordon | no scrtahc that... |
| 04:49:27 | JdGordon | to apt-get update |
| 04:49:31 | JdGordon | and apt-get upgrade |
| 04:49:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 04:49:38 | * | Paul_the_Nerd is not familiar with apt-get at all |
| 04:50:21 | scorche | if not apt-get, the sources are available at gnu.org |
| 04:51:03 | JdGordon | oh no! another talkative (byt hte looks of it) ipod user on the ml :'( |
| 04:51:34 | Coldtoast | sorry, why do you need to update MAKE? |
| 04:51:51 | scorche | JdGordon: yeah... |
| 04:52:24 | Coldtoast | I thought the vmware image had evreything? |
| 04:52:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Coldtoast: Because the vmware image does age with time. :-P |
| 04:53:16 | Coldtoast | that may be the case... but it still has everything you need I thought |
| 04:53:51 | scorche | make 3.80 still works |
| 04:53:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, but that doesn't mean there aren't newer versions of the same things if you want them |
| 04:54:12 | Coldtoast | I think it's pointless worrying about it dude |
| 04:54:19 | Coldtoast | there'a a LOT of stuff you could update |
| 04:54:22 | Coldtoast | not just make |
| 04:54:36 | Coldtoast | if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 04:54:58 | * | Paul_the_Nerd goes back to using an abacus, and leaves the channel. |
| 04:55:05 | Coldtoast | oh well |
| 04:55:18 | Coldtoast | why not just install Edgy and get that set up then? |
| 04:55:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | No, but there are updates that I believe result in some sort of warning if you're using an old enough make, or something? |
| 04:56:20 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: yeah...one of amiconn's changes to the makefiles |
| 04:56:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, in some sense, it is slightly broke. |
| 04:56:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Like a wobby wheel that'll still get you there. |
| 04:56:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | wobbly |
| 04:57:39 | Coldtoast | so you worked out how to compile then? |
| 04:58:05 | Coldtoast | got the album art patch working? |
| 04:58:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Who's that directed at? |
| 04:58:21 | Coldtoast | you |
| 04:58:37 | Coldtoast | wasn';t that you yesterday? |
| 04:58:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Odd. I've been compiling a personal build of Rockbox for over a year now. |
| 04:58:49 | Coldtoast | ah. ok. must have been somebody else obviously |
| 04:58:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 04:58:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't even like album art. :) |
| 04:59:21 | Coldtoast | I like having the album art displayed a lot more than 50 useless (to me) stats |
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| 05:00:29 | Coldtoast | how utterly WEIRD tho that you've been compiling for over a year yet you have no idea how to use apt-get.... |
| 05:00:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Coldtoast: I started on Cygwin before the VMWare image existed. |
| 05:00:50 | scorche | you dont need apt-get to compile |
| 05:01:02 | Davide-NYC | apt-get is telling me that I already have the most updated veriosn |
| 05:01:05 | Davide-NYC | *version |
| 05:01:06 | scorche | and there are a lot of other distros than debian |
| 05:01:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | I downloaded the sources of GCC, binutils, etc, and configured them myself to build crosscompilers. |
| 05:01:19 | Davide-NYC | yet when I run make it tells me to upgrade |
| 05:01:20 | Coldtoast | you don't... but I'd have thought you'd at least have run across it |
| 05:01:37 | scorche | Davide-NYC: what tree are you searching on? |
| 05:01:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Coldtoast: I've run across it, but I didn't know the package name for make, nor have I ever used it to update/upgrade. |
| 05:01:42 | Coldtoast | why not just run rockboxdev.sh in vmware? |
| 05:01:45 | JdGordon | Davide-NYC: its probably because the vmware image is useing stable debian which is almost never updated |
| 05:01:47 | Davide-NYC | scorche: no idea |
| 05:01:52 | Coldtoast | won't that work? |
| 05:02:08 | Davide-NYC | ok, so I should just ignore the update prompts |
| 05:02:14 | * | jhMikeS is suprised noone mentioned the spectral variation when moving in/out of the recording menu |
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| 05:02:28 | JdGordon | the what? |
| 05:02:31 | jhMikeS | similar weirdness on x5 at 88.2 |
| 05:02:32 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: huh? |
| 05:03:02 | jhMikeS | When jumping in and out of the recording menu with FMRadio, the frequency response will vary |
| 05:03:12 | JdGordon | if you say so :p |
| 05:03:32 | Davide-NYC | No that you mention it I have noticed that |
| 05:03:39 | Davide-NYC | I thought it was just a level jump |
| 05:03:46 | jhMikeS | Most obvious at 44.1kHz. x5 does it at 88.2. |
| 05:03:52 | Davide-NYC | you sure it's not just gain settings changing? |
| 05:03:58 | scorche | Davide-NYC: either change to unstable (should be in there), or just get the sources and compile |
| 05:04:24 | Davide-NYC | scorche: I think you in advance: could you point me in the right direction? |
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| 05:04:37 | jhMikeS | It's not. I'm not sure what to do about it for the players either or what causes it. |
| 05:04:41 | Davide-NYC | I've compiled RB but never something for linux |
| 05:05:19 | JdGordon | :'( looks like a biggish virus is going round atm... 6 virus emails in 10min to gmail |
| 05:05:28 | jhMikeS | OF might do it too but you'd never be able to move around fast enough to hear it so distinctly. |
| 05:05:43 | Coldtoast | Davide-NYC: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 05:05:55 | JdGordon | plus the hundreds that go straight into my spam folder! |
| 05:06:05 | Coldtoast | there's instructions from the wiki on building the cross compiler |
| 05:06:46 | scorche | Coldtoast: he isnt building the cross compiler |
| 05:06:53 | scorche | he is trying to update make |
| 05:07:12 | Coldtoast | I thought that page had instructions on that too |
| 05:07:20 | scorche | not make |
| 05:07:23 | scorche | gcc and such |
| 05:07:34 | Davide-NYC | otp |
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| 05:09:34 | scorche | Davide-NYC: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/ |
| 05:11:21 | scorche | or, it appears that it is in the testing repository |
| 05:11:28 | Davide-NYC | OK I'm back |
| 05:12:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | If it's only in testing, that explains why it's not in the upgrade, I suppose |
| 05:12:44 | Davide-NYC | ah, |
| 05:12:58 | Davide-NYC | why am I getting these prompts for me to upgrade then? |
| 05:12:59 | scorche | well, you just change from stable to testing |
| 05:13:16 | Davide-NYC | do I really want to do that being that I don;t really know what I am doing? |
| 05:13:20 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:13:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | You don't need to |
| 05:13:33 | Davide-NYC | yeah, I'm gonna chicken out of that one |
| 05:13:41 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 05:14:54 | Davide-NYC | scorche: you willing to help me through this if I have a prb? :-) |
| 05:16:54 | scorche | well, i am off-and-on atm |
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| 05:17:21 | Davide-NYC | ok, I've untarred/unzipped all of the files. |
| 05:17:32 | Davide-NYC | into a folder in the root |
| 05:17:34 | scorche | but edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add an entry for a testing repository |
| 05:17:52 | scorche | ...or if you want to install from source... |
| 05:17:53 | jhMikeS | why do you need to untar anything? |
| 05:18:08 | scorche | jhMikeS: source |
| 05:18:13 | Davide-NYC | I DLed the make-3.81 source from FTP |
| 05:18:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Where does this warning occur at, anywa? |
| 05:18:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | anyway |
| 05:18:21 | Davide-NYC | on make |
| 05:18:28 | jhMikeS | wmware? |
| 05:18:34 | jhMikeS | vmware |
| 05:18:35 | Davide-NYC | after a make, a make install a make fullzip |
| 05:18:41 | Davide-NYC | (maybe not fullzip) |
| 05:18:47 | Davide-NYC | yes VMWare |
| 05:18:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah, yes, make zip shows me |
| 05:19:07 | Davide-NYC | Not really a warning, more like a friendly suggestion |
| 05:19:11 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:19:22 | Davide-NYC | OK, so I su rott |
| 05:19:25 | Davide-NYC | *root |
| 05:19:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | What is the command for configuring to use ccache? |
| 05:19:32 | Davide-NYC | I unzip everything |
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| 05:19:47 | Davide-NYC | how do I compile this grizzly beast? |
| 05:19:49 | jhMikeS | I didn't have to make anything |
| 05:22:10 | jhMikeS | I'm trying to remember/find the simple command to just make debian update itself |
| 05:22:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade worked for me. |
| 05:22:38 | scorche | apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 05:22:38 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 05:22:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hm, what's the slowest build, anyone know? |
| 05:23:02 | jhMikeS | I had a sticky point where it wanted to replace the running kernel I said no |
| 05:24:48 | Davide-NYC | scorche: I ran that command it completed without upgrading anything |
| 05:25:14 | scorche | Davide-NYC: because you are still in stable |
| 05:25:19 | Davide-NYC | I'm now perusing the debian documentation and I see something called netselect |
| 05:26:22 | scorche | if you want the debian docs, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 05:26:27 | scorche | go to 3.8 |
| 05:26:32 | Davide-NYC | OK editing sources.list |
| 05:26:38 | Davide-NYC | what must I nsert? |
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| 05:27:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | "This Apt has Super Cow Powers"? |
| 05:27:08 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
| 05:27:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | What the heck does THAT mean? |
| 05:27:46 | Myipod | sorry,is anyone doing the serial/usb port driver? |
| 05:27:58 | Davide-NYC | Paul_the_Nerd: where do you see that? |
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| 05:28:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Davide-NYC: Type apt-get -h |
| 05:28:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's the last line |
| 05:28:46 | scorche | Davide-NYC: deb Http://debian.internet.gr/debian testing main |
| 05:28:52 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 05:29:11 | Davide-NYC | anywhere in the file, or does it need to go someplace specific? |
| 05:29:47 | scorche | just put it at the end |
| 05:31:05 | Davide-NYC | wow this is some super cow fanciness! |
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| 05:31:44 | Davide-NYC | I am running apt-get update |
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| 05:32:39 | Davide-NYC | My nephew is going to give me his 3G ipod. Is it true that currently most files do not run in realtime? |
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| 05:35:09 | pagefault | hcs, spc plugin is almost done |
| 05:35:14 | pagefault | patch tomorrow I think |
| 05:35:30 | hcs | pagefault: awesome! |
| 05:35:54 | Davide-NYC | spc? |
| 05:36:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | pagefault: About damn time. ;) |
| 05:36:20 | pagefault | I think my implementation sucks |
| 05:36:29 | pagefault | but you guys can be the judge |
| 05:36:32 | hcs | we can then simply end the world, as there can be no greater human accomplishment |
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| 05:36:55 | Davide-NYC | "South Park, Colorado" |
| 05:37:02 | gilkes | hey |
| 05:37:03 | * | JdGordon wonders why a canned fruit company needs a plugin |
| 05:37:05 | pagefault | I made it a plugin rather than a codec |
| 05:37:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | pagefault: Implementation how? |
| 05:37:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Oh |
| 05:37:09 | pagefault | it was easier |
| 05:37:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, someone can adapt it, at least. |
| 05:37:18 | pagefault | yeah |
| 05:37:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Midi is still a plugin at the moment too |
| 05:37:23 | pagefault | the codec thing just confused me too much |
| 05:37:25 | gilkes | could someone give me a hand real quick |
| 05:37:30 | gilkes | it's simple as |
| 05:37:35 | pagefault | you just select a spc file and open with the plugin |
| 05:37:36 | pagefault | and it plays |
| 05:37:46 | gilkes | i'm trying to access the cvs |
| 05:37:48 | gilkes | which is fine |
| 05:37:53 | hcs | I'll take a crack at the conversion, as I've done two codecs at this point and should be moderately competent. |
| 05:37:57 | gilkes | and i want to check out just the tools directory |
| 05:38:13 | gilkes | i keep getting cvs [checkout aborted]: unrecognized auth response from www.rockbox.org: cvs [pserver aborted]: /cvsroot/rockbox/tools: no such repository |
| 05:38:31 | gilkes | i'm sure thats the correct directroy becuase i viewed the cvs already |
| 05:38:34 | Davide-NYC | spc = SpchComp Encoded Speech/Audio? |
| 05:38:57 | pagefault | snes music |
| 05:38:59 | hcs | Davide-NYC: JdGordon: spc is a save state of the SNES audio hardware, essentially emulated audio (like sid, nsf) |
| 05:39:11 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 05:39:20 | JdGordon | ah |
| 05:39:24 | Davide-NYC | "Super NES Music/Audio Data" |
| 05:39:29 | gilkes | fine, just ignore me |
| 05:39:43 | Davide-NYC | gilkes: I do not know the answer. |
| 05:39:49 | gilkes | ok |
| 05:39:54 | gilkes | thanks anyway |
| 05:39:59 | pagefault | it's very basic |
| 05:40:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | gilkes: I'm not sure if you can just check out tools as it is. |
| 05:40:07 | pagefault | but it works |
| 05:40:09 | gilkes | oh dang |
| 05:40:22 | hcs | what does SPC stand for, anyway? Sony-Something-Something? |
| 05:40:40 | pagefault | sound processor cpu |
| 05:40:47 | gilkes | all i wanted was to run the rdf2binary |
| 05:40:52 | pagefault | I think |
| 05:40:54 | pagefault | who knows |
| 05:40:56 | gilkes | but i think i need to compile tools to get it to work |
| 05:41:00 | pagefault | it could also be sony processor core |
| 05:41:10 | hcs | I know it's just labeled "SMP" on the chip |
| 05:41:12 | pagefault | since it was sony who made it |
| 05:41:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | gilkes: You can download just the .c file for it directly by the viewcvs script. |
| 05:41:24 | gilkes | i know |
| 05:41:30 | gilkes | i just don;t know how to run it |
| 05:41:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | You have to compile it. |
| 05:41:45 | gilkes | so i figured it would be easier to get the whole directory and run make |
| 05:41:47 | pagefault | the SPC is just the CPU part of it |
| 05:41:51 | pagefault | there is the S-DSP as well |
| 05:41:54 | pagefault | which the CPU feeds |
| 05:41:58 | pagefault | thats what makes the noise |
| 05:42:02 | scorche | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel/tools should work |
| 05:42:02 | gilkes | i opened it in Xcode but i was a bit out of my league |
| 05:42:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | gilkes: I think doing that will actually result in you getting a message telling you to run Make from your build directory |
| 05:42:26 | gilkes | i see |
| 05:42:32 | * | Paul_the_Nerd can't remember for sure |
| 05:42:37 | gilkes | so is it esy too compile a single c file |
| 05:42:46 | gilkes | i have basic terminal knowledge |
| 05:42:47 | gilkes | kinda |
| 05:43:05 | hcs | pagefault: yeah, I can see the S-SMP on the board, the S-DSP, and the actual D/A converter, just wondering why it's known as the SPC700 when it isn't labeled anything like that... |
| 05:43:30 | pagefault | well SPC700 is what it was called in the dev docs |
| 05:43:33 | hcs | ah |
| 05:43:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just feed it to gcc and provide it an appropriate name for the output file, I believe. |
| 05:43:34 | pagefault | thats why it was always called that |
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| 05:43:48 | pagefault | there is a SPC7110 on a cart as well |
| 05:43:53 | pagefault | but it's not related to sound at all |
| 05:44:09 | hcs | made by Sony? |
| 05:44:12 | scorche | gilkes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary |
| 05:44:14 | pagefault | made by ricoh |
| 05:44:18 | pagefault | it does decompression of graphics |
| 05:44:20 | hcs | bah, there goes that theory |
| 05:44:46 | pagefault | although it has the epson logo on the chip |
| 05:44:58 | pagefault | so I think it's epson myself because it has a RTC chip on the game as well |
| 05:45:00 | gilkes | "4. Execute the rdf2binary tool, it will output dict.desc and dict.index" |
| 05:45:02 | pagefault | and epson is owned by seiko |
| 05:45:09 | gilkes | it's not included |
| 05:45:20 | Davide-NYC | Oh boy. This is probably becoming very debian specific. But after running "apt-get update" and "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" I now have to chose "locales" |
| 05:45:32 | scorche | gilkes: look up a step... |
| 05:45:42 | pagefault | ricoh pretty much made the entire NES |
| 05:45:54 | pagefault | nintendo just put their name on it :P |
| 05:45:59 | gilkes | i have completed that step |
| 05:46:03 | scorche | Davide-NYC: sounds like it is going to change the kernel... |
| 05:46:11 | Davide-NYC | is that scary? |
| 05:46:13 | Davide-NYC | lol |
| 05:46:17 | gilkes | it gave me dict.preparsed |
| 05:46:19 | scorche | wait till the message =) |
| 05:46:21 | gilkes | 18.3MB |
| 05:47:00 | Davide-NYC | scorche: it's asking me to choose an interface |
| 05:47:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just go with the defaults. |
| 05:47:19 | * | Paul_the_Nerd just went through trying that |
| 05:47:19 | Davide-NYC | Dialog, Readline, Gnome, KDE |
| 05:47:25 | Davide-NYC | OK |
| 05:47:44 | scorche | eek....gnome and kde?....we are still in vmware right? =P |
| 05:47:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | What's really funny is after all that you're still running Make 3.80 :) |
| 05:47:59 | Davide-NYC | Yes yes |
| 05:48:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: It's asking what format the upgrade should present queries to the user in. |
| 05:48:09 | Davide-NYC | my windows machine is still a windows machine |
| 05:48:11 | scorche | ah |
| 05:48:23 | Davide-NYC | I'm actually laughing right now |
| 05:48:53 | pagefault | anyway my H10 totally dies on the SPC when I turn on the EQ |
| 05:49:12 | Davide-NYC | upgrading glibc |
| 05:49:16 | pagefault | ipod users will probably have better luck |
| 05:49:27 | gilkes | dude |
| 05:49:33 | gilkes | i think i did it on my ouwn |
| 05:49:35 | gilkes | i rule |
| 05:49:49 | Davide-NYC | gilkes: cool |
| 05:50:06 | hcs | pagefault: are you resampling to 44100hz in the program or letting the playback code do it? |
| 05:50:14 | pagefault | I am letting the playback code do it |
| 05:50:19 | gilkes | no i didn't |
| 05:50:32 | gilkes | i chucked the file in a new C++ xcode project |
| 05:50:35 | pagefault | no point resampling twice |
| 05:50:36 | gilkes | ran build |
| 05:50:42 | gilkes | and tried to run the resulting binary |
| 05:50:46 | gilkes | but it didn;lt work |
| 05:51:02 | hcs | pagefault: yeah, does it sound alright? I was hearing lousy results with 32khz mp3s |
| 05:51:08 | Davide-NYC | scorche: this is really scary! I've never seen so much scolling text in my life! |
| 05:51:10 | pagefault | it sounds ok |
| 05:51:16 | pagefault | it's certainly not the fault of the lib |
| 05:51:22 | pagefault | but hopefully someone will find out whats up with it |
| 05:51:41 | scorche | Davide-NYC: actually, do this...they can probably explain it a lot better than i could...ask #debian how to upgrade to make 3.81 =P |
| 05:51:57 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
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| 05:52:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | pagefault: The EQ tends to hinder playback on ARM targets anyway |
| 05:53:05 | pagefault | when that new nano is cracked maybe someone can start UAE support rofl |
| 05:53:17 | pagefault | you're going to need a lot of power to play those |
| 05:54:51 | pagefault | it sucks app the good psf libs are closed source |
| 05:55:45 | hcs | pagefault: btw, so that I can get a better idea of "tomorrow", what time zone are you in? |
| 05:56:01 | pagefault | EST |
| 05:56:09 | hcs | ah, ok, me too |
| 05:56:15 | gilkes | ok so i have the rdf2binary.c file, do i just put it in xcode and press compile? |
| 05:56:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, 4 minuts. |
| 05:56:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | minutes. |
| 05:56:34 | pagefault | should be done by tomorrow |
| 05:56:39 | pagefault | if not then the next day |
| 05:56:47 | pagefault | I got lots of crap from work to do |
| 05:58:07 | Davide-NYC | scorche: everything broken now. LOL |
| 05:58:16 | Davide-NYC | ROTFLMAO |
| 05:58:41 | scorche | what do you mean? |
| 05:59:28 | pagefault | as the DNF people like to say "it will be done when it's done" |
| 05:59:35 | gilkes | please |
| 05:59:43 | gilkes | thats all i need to know |
| 05:59:49 | gilkes | i'm sure it's pretty simple |
| 05:59:49 | hcs | indeed, a rockbox motto, as well |
| 05:59:51 | pagefault | but I hope to actually release sometime |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:07 | Davide-NYC | make is dead due to some perl error and after restart I only get the command prompt |
| 06:00:14 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: wtf? how? |
| 06:00:15 | Davide-NYC | hhe |
| 06:00:26 | Davide-NYC | I dunno anything about linux, that's how |
| 06:00:27 | scorche | what is your runlevel? |
| 06:00:29 | pagefault | right now I am trying to track down a nasty memory leak |
| 06:00:34 | Davide-NYC | It's like giving a chimp an AK-47 |
| 06:00:41 | Davide-NYC | loaded |
| 06:00:43 | jhMikeS | make sure your an admin |
| 06:00:45 | pagefault | playing spc's for more than 10 minutes will crash the player |
| 06:00:47 | hcs | ugh, I think that resampling has actually become worse lately... |
| 06:00:58 | Davide-NYC | I su'ed an all |
| 06:01:02 | Davide-NYC | su root |
| 06:01:06 | Davide-NYC | rockbox |
| 06:01:16 | Davide-NYC | no worries |
| 06:01:18 | jhMikeS | I'm always just running root on that |
| 06:01:26 | Davide-NYC | I just would like my samba drive back |
| 06:01:54 | Davide-NYC | I guess I could FTP my two files somewhere |
| 06:01:57 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 06:02:12 | scorche | Davide-NYC: you might want to re-download the rockbo image and start over |
| 06:02:22 | scorche | espeically since i have no idead what you did =P |
| 06:02:25 | jhMikeS | hrrmph |
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| 06:03:03 | Davide-NYC | yeah |
| 06:03:09 | myzar | rawr |
| 06:03:12 | Davide-NYC | I can;t stop laughing! |
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| 06:03:40 | Speedforneed | Is the Wiki down, or is it just me? |
| 06:03:52 | scorche | i have an old computer that i use to kill linux on =) |
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| 06:04:07 | scorche | Speedforneed: just you |
| 06:04:42 | Speedforneed | I'm getting a blank page on 2 different PCs. |
| 06:04:47 | * | jhMikeS seconds that |
| 06:04:51 | scorche | on the same network? |
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| 06:04:55 | Speedforneed | Well.. |
| 06:04:56 | Speedforneed | I was. |
| 06:04:59 | Speedforneed | It's fixed now. |
| 06:05:03 | scorche | of course... |
| 06:05:16 | hcs | sunspots |
| 06:05:37 | jhMikeS | hehe...It's just past devil's night here |
| 06:05:41 | gilkes | scorche Speedforneed Davide-NYC hcs jhMikes | Can you please ust give me a clue as to how o compile and run a single .c file! |
| 06:06:01 | jhMikeS | gcc <file> -o <output file> |
| 06:06:08 | Davide-NYC | ^^ |
| 06:06:11 | gilkes | thanks |
| 06:07:15 | gilkes | yeya |
| 06:07:17 | gilkes | it worked |
| 06:07:20 | gilkes | cheers brother |
| 06:07:21 | gilkes | s |
| 06:07:27 | gilkes | see you on the ictionary side |
| 06:09:19 | Davide-NYC | I have a command line here and I'm trying to zip my patches into a single file to upload to my ftp |
| 06:09:25 | jhMikeS | seems to take the H120 a while to decide it's charged. Battery voltage seemed quite alright. |
| 06:09:42 | Davide-NYC | the green light eventually turns off |
| 06:09:47 | Davide-NYC | eventually |
| 06:09:51 | jhMikeS | ..................................eventually..................................... |
| 06:10:17 | jhMikeS | It did, then I used it and it's charging again |
| 06:10:18 | Davide-NYC | what is the archive utility of choice |
| 06:10:24 | Davide-NYC | gzip? |
| 06:11:41 | jhMikeS | use tar and you can filter through gzip |
| 06:12:19 | jhMikeS | I guess...says so with tar −−help |
| 06:15:47 | Davide-NYC | yay! PATCHES SENT |
| 06:15:50 | Davide-NYC | oops |
| 06:15:53 | Davide-NYC | sorry for caps |
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| 06:16:51 | scorche | you will be... |
| 06:18:39 | Davide-NYC | good night all |
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| 06:42:03 | Myipod | Hi,everyone,the serial/usb port driver doesn't work on ipod5g,right? |
| 06:42:48 | hcs | it just reboots into disk mode when connected |
| 06:44:24 | Myipod | do you mean usb port? how about the serial port now? |
| 06:45:00 | hcs | yes, I mean usb, I don't think anything is done with the serial port |
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| 06:45:55 | Deef | Hmm |
| 06:46:01 | Deef | Just got a h340 |
| 06:46:05 | Deef | Rockpaint crashed it |
| 06:46:06 | BHSPitLappy | congrats |
| 06:46:10 | Deef | Can't turn it off |
| 06:46:20 | BHSPitLappy | battery -> remove ? |
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| 06:46:39 | Deef | That would involve opening it up right |
| 06:47:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Reset pinhole? |
| 06:47:15 | Deef | AH yeah |
| 06:47:33 | Deef | Will that mean I have to reinstall the bootloader or firmware? |
| 06:48:04 | scorche | nope |
| 06:48:12 | Deef | goodo |
| 06:48:15 | Deef | Just got to find a pin now |
| 06:48:33 | scorche | preferably something less sharp =) |
| 06:48:53 | Myipod | oh,thanks hcs,do you know,whether the address of serial port on ipod5g is as same as ipod3g's, or not? |
| 06:49:22 | hcs | Myipod: no idea |
| 06:50:01 | Deef | Thanks, that worked |
| 06:51:06 | Myipod | oh |
| 06:51:40 | * | Paul_the_Nerd usually blunts a wooden toothpick on something, for use. |
| 06:52:27 | Deef | Now |
| 06:52:51 | Deef | This h340 pdf for rockbox, in the plugins section.. |
| 06:53:15 | Deef | Says "Most of them can be started from BROWSE PLUGINS in the MAIN MENU" |
| 06:53:32 | Deef | I can't find anything that says browse plugins |
| 06:54:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then you're not in the main menu. |
| 06:54:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | From the filetree *tap* A-B |
| 06:54:17 | newbyx86 | Is '$' a valid character in a file name on an NTFS filesystem? |
| 06:54:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Assuming the mappings for buttons match on the H300 series |
| 06:54:22 | newbyx86 | I know it's valid on ext3. But I don't think it is in Windows. |
| 06:54:24 | Deef | ahhh |
| 06:54:24 | Deef | lol |
| 06:54:32 | Deef | I'd discovered what holding A-B did |
| 06:54:35 | Deef | Didn't try tapping hehe |
| 06:54:43 | Myipod | does anyone get the PP50xx' detailed datasheet? |
| 06:55:09 | scorche | PP doesnt release datasheets |
| 06:57:28 | Myipod | scorche: do yo know which PP processor is used on ipod3g? |
| 06:58:06 | scorche | 5002 |
| 06:58:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Myipod: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 06:59:15 | Myipod | so,do you know who has the details of 5002? |
| 06:59:29 | Bagder | Myipod: PortalPlayer does |
| 06:59:40 | Bagder | not many others |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:16 | Bagder | everything in ipl and Rockbox have been done without such info |
| 07:00:43 | BHSPitLappy | anyone who knows specifically also likely signed a NDA along with it... |
| 07:02:34 | Myipod | oh,how do the ipodlinux/rockbox's devps get 3g works,including serial port,...but not for 5g? |
| 07:03:08 | Bagder | they've left that work for you |
| 07:03:36 | Myipod | ^-^ |
| 07:08:53 | Myipod | does anyone know,whether the JTAG pins has connected out from the chip? where? |
| 07:08:58 | BHSPitLappy | because 1-3G's are crude, primitive pieces of electronic circuitry |
| 07:13:22 | Myipod | you mean,it could be easy to test and debug on 1-3G,but difficult on 5G? |
| 07:14:10 | BHSPitLappy | yes. |
| 07:15:27 | BHSPitLappy | if somebody could have figured out the 4G+ dock ports by now, it would be done. questioning the fact that it isn't complete doesn't really help anyone, so get over it or solve it yourself |
| 07:15:51 | BHSPitLappy | </snippy> |
| 07:15:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Your statement implies that it's impossible. |
| 07:16:03 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_the_Nerd, doesn't it ever :) |
| 07:16:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | It could just be that other things are still more important for most people? |
| 07:16:46 | BHSPitLappy | the statement was really meant to imply that skilled people have indeed tried, and that it's not a matter of needing someone to stimulate progress by complaining |
| 07:17:22 | BHSPitLappy | like "Oh, we never realized this could be USEFUL! Why, here you go! *commit*" |
| 07:17:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 07:17:33 | BHSPitLappy | "Thanks for bringing it to our attention!" |
| 07:17:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well it's not like the serial port is particularly core to what Rockbox cares about either. |
| 07:18:09 | BHSPitLappy | does rockbox not care about making a replacement firmware? odd, I've been misled... |
| 07:18:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | I said *core* |
| 07:18:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox focuses on music related things first. |
| 07:18:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | And then things 'in the box' as it were. |
| 07:19:11 | hcs | 1) Rock 2) Box |
| 07:19:32 | BHSPitLappy | I think having the firmware able to do the most basic and necessary functions on its own (like that whole, PC connectivity thing?) without depending on eeprom Diskmode, is sort of core in the philosophy |
| 07:19:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: That's USB functionality though, different from what is commonly referred to as the serial port. |
| 07:19:53 | BHSPitLappy | right now, it's not justifiably "self-sufficient" on an iPod |
| 07:19:57 | BHSPitLappy | ah |
| 07:20:04 | BHSPitLappy | well, I've been lumping the terminology |
| 07:20:07 | BHSPitLappy | apologies |
| 07:20:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah, I'd been mentally considering them separate. |
| 07:20:23 | BHSPitLappy | understood |
| 07:20:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Serial being that which is used for remotes and other crap. :) |
| 07:20:31 | BHSPitLappy | right |
| 07:20:47 | BHSPitLappy | well, I would think that mastery of one would be associated with the other |
| 07:21:12 | BHSPitLappy | as far as some breakthrough/revelation coming along and helping both functions become realized |
| 07:21:23 | BHSPitLappy | though that might not be the case at all :) |
| 07:21:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Who really knows, 'eh? :) |
| 07:21:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, don't say "Some Apple Engineers" |
| 07:25:33 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 07:25:54 | BHSPitLappy | nah, some portalplayer coders |
| 07:27:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | I bet there are some familiar people at Apple |
| 07:31:33 | Myipod | now,i want to know,whether i am able to connect a JTAG to the pcb of 5G,if i open the shell? |
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| 07:31:56 | Tyronemaskell | Big question |
| 07:32:09 | JdGordon | thats a staement actually... |
| 07:32:18 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 07:32:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Myipod: Your best bet is to try to find scans of it and see if you can identify. Honestly a lot of the hardware-related work was done over at iPL |
| 07:32:59 | Tyronemaskell | why cant rockbox use .WMA |
| 07:33:33 | Tyronemaskell | does anyone know a good free converter |
| 07:34:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tyronemaskell: Nobody has finished converting a usable WMA codec |
| 07:34:42 | Deef | crashed again |
| 07:34:45 | Deef | recording radio |
| 07:34:55 | Tyronemaskell | o ok |
| 07:35:06 | Tyronemaskell | does anyone know a good free converter |
| 07:36:26 | Deef | The upside-down feature is the best thing heh |
| 07:36:47 | Deef | So many handheld devices make my hands sore from being too small |
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| 07:39:44 | Myipod | Paul_the_Nerd: how do you debug the code,if without JTAG and serial and usb firewire...and so on,...? |
| 07:45:08 | Tyronemaskell | anyone ? |
| 07:45:12 | Tyronemaskell | does anyone know a good free converter |
| 07:45:25 | Tyronemaskell | that being wma - mp3 ? |
| 07:46:00 | JdGordon | Myipod: depending on the bug, but output to the screen and using the simulator are the usual ways |
| 07:46:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tyronemaskell: Foobar2000, dBPowerAmp. |
| 07:46:08 | Tyronemaskell | most that i have used do 3 files then my pc shutsdown lol |
| 07:46:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Myipod: As well as log files. |
| 07:48:29 | Myipod | ok,thanks Paul_the_NerD,which simulator do you usually use? do you have a link for download? |
| 07:48:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Myipod: The Simulator. As in, simulator buids. |
| 07:48:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | builds |
| 07:50:18 | Myipod | oh,...thanks |
| 07:52:28 | Deef | Two questions: 1. How can I run shinier GUIs for rockbox? 2. Where should I store GB roms to play them with Rockboy? |
| 07:52:48 | JdGordon | get a theme from the wiki |
| 07:52:50 | JdGordon | and anywhere |
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| 07:53:09 | Deef | rockboy has a browser of some sort? |
| 07:53:15 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:53:25 | JdGordon | you dont load the roms through rockboy |
| 07:53:35 | Deef | oh |
| 07:53:39 | JdGordon | have u read or even skimme the manual? |
| 07:53:45 | Deef | yes |
| 07:53:55 | Deef | ah yeah heh |
| 07:53:59 | Deef | 2nd line on the wiki |
| 07:54:09 | Deef | skimming is skimming |
| 07:54:30 | Deef | Thanks |
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| 09:34:31 | DerPhil | hi, i haven't found it in the faq. when i run ipodpatcher 2 (which is my ipod) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter" What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:35:08 | DerPhil | someone here to help me? |
| 09:35:27 | * | LinusN doesn't know much about ipod |
| 09:35:37 | DerPhil | :( |
| 09:35:43 | DerPhil | i think it |
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| 09:35:50 | DerPhil | is something with my windows |
| 09:36:14 | LinusN | does it show up as a drive letter? |
| 09:36:20 | DerPhil | yes |
| 09:36:31 | DerPhil | everything like it should be |
| 09:36:47 | jhMikeS | oy...there's some lockup business with prerecording only (as far as I can tell) on the iRiver. rrrr...can't figure why. |
| 09:37:11 | LinusN | jhMikeS: :-( |
| 09:37:24 | LinusN | jhMikeS: got your h120? |
| 09:37:31 | DerPhil | so you dont know what to do with my ipod? |
| 09:37:32 | jhMikeS | Yup...very nice |
| 09:37:43 | LinusN | DerPhil: no, sorry |
| 09:38:00 | DerPhil | someone here who can help meß |
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| 09:40:39 | LinusN | DerPhil: do you have admin right on your computer? |
| 09:40:52 | DerPhil | of xourse, its my computer :D |
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| 09:42:29 | LinusN | DerPhil: which ipod model? |
| 09:42:36 | DerPhil | 5g |
| 09:42:41 | DerPhil | video |
| 09:42:47 | DerPhil | baught in america |
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| 09:44:49 | LinusN | DerPhil: is it brand new? |
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| 09:45:06 | DerPhil | in which way? |
| 09:45:14 | LinusN | is it the 80gb model? |
| 09:45:31 | DerPhil | 30 |
| 09:46:00 | DerPhil | oh damn irt |
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| 09:46:09 | DerPhil | i have to be gone since 10minutes |
| 09:46:14 | DerPhil | bye and thx anyway |
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| 09:55:02 | JdGordon | who is the ifp7xx guy? |
| 09:55:23 | Bagder | he's... tomal, the ifp7xx guy! |
| 09:55:35 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:55:45 | JdGordon | and not in here.. |
| 09:55:47 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:55:54 | Bagder | no, he's not here very often |
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| 09:56:28 | Teknomancer | hmm |
| 09:56:41 | Teknomancer | i have an iMp400 .. been a while since i used it :) |
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| 09:58:29 | Kasperle | ipodloader2 gets a "hardware revision" number from somwhere and outputs it before entering its OS selection menu. I want to make a list of iPod generation vs. hw revision number. If anyone uses ipodloader2 with their ipods, please /msg me the hw rev number and what generation their ipod is, i want to make a list and can't seem to find any info like that on the net |
| 09:59:04 | Bagder | I don't think it gets that from the hw |
| 09:59:12 | Kasperle | hrm. well starting a long sentence and then editing it again without apparantly failed me, but you get the idea ;) |
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| 09:59:54 | jhMikeS | mmmm...latte |
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| 10:01:23 | Kasperle | Bagder: it seems to read that info from some fixed point in the iPods memory |
| 10:02:34 | Bagder | but is that really HW revision and not just PP revision? |
| 10:03:14 | Kasperle | i have no idea, really. information is scarce and the code is not too documented. |
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| 10:04:33 | Kasperle | if anyone would like to compare, on my 5.5g it outputs a hardware revsion number of 0x000b0011 |
| 10:05:53 | * | JdGordon is bored.... |
| 10:06:25 | JdGordon | can i cut up some of the files in firmware and move them into TT? i.e kernel.c? |
| 10:06:39 | Kasperle | (i'm wondering whether that hw rev would be a valid way to distinguish 5g from 5.5g iPods) |
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| 10:09:48 | jhMikeS | I'm not bored, is ticked...need to figure why the H120 is locking within 15s sometimes during prerecord and prerecord does nothing special. >:[ |
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| 10:11:05 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Try this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6259 |
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| 10:13:16 | JdGordon | is there a problem with the cvs server? |
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| 10:13:29 | JdGordon | hmm.. aparently not.. |
| 10:13:45 | JdGordon | _something_ odd is happening on my comp :'( |
| 10:14:08 | jhMikeS | Not enough time for overflows and prerecord is allowed to "overflow". That takes almost 3 minutes with 44.1kHz Stereo WAV. |
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| 10:18:29 | petur | jhMikeS: I thought the pcm buffer was much smaller and in the range of the time you're experiencing |
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| 10:18:58 | petur | and if the dma handler detects an overflow it should stop, not crash |
| 10:20:05 | JdGordon | is battery_bench the only plugin which uses plugin_tsr? |
| 10:20:34 | jhMikeS | That shouldn't lock only on pre then because I made 6 minute recordings with np. The encoders are doing exactly the same thing during pre as during record. |
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| 10:21:54 | jhMikeS | Only time dma is "parked" in one spot is if there's no prerecord ticks. Keeps the encoders empty and idle. |
| 10:22:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, i believe the alpine_cdc plugin uses it too |
| 10:22:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, just did a search, they are the only two |
| 10:23:13 | jhMikeS | And why only on the H120 and not x5? I can let it pre all day on the x5 :-\ |
| 10:23:22 | JdGordon | can a plugin be re-entered if its called plugin_tsr and exited? |
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| 10:23:58 | JdGordon | looking at the plugin_load code, it looks like it cant be? |
| 10:24:51 | * | jhMikeS wonders why plugin.c should contain all those header includes when plugin.h has most of them. Or was I imagining? |
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| 10:27:25 | LinusN | jhMikeS: x5 has 16mbytes and h120 has 32, maybe that has something to do with it? |
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| 10:31:49 | jhMikeS | Could be but things _should_ be independent of that. The lockup is WAY sooner than having any overflow or anything. Why only prerecord. Nothing special about that state at all. Probably some little dumb mistake or something subtle somewhere but my head is spinning. :) |
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| 10:34:16 | LinusN | could it be about boosting? or not protecting i2c access? |
| 10:36:43 | jhMikeS | was thinking about that but can't find it. maybe boosting. maybe the problem is the recording screen itself. |
| 10:37:10 | LinusN | agc? |
| 10:37:22 | jhMikeS | I tried it turned off it still happened |
| 10:37:53 | jhMikeS | More tests...need to get myself a remote to watch the logf live |
| 10:39:20 | JdGordon | does changing a functions return type and parameter list in the plugin api mean the version needs to be bumped? |
| 10:39:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
| 10:39:55 | JdGordon | damn, ok |
| 10:40:24 | jhMikeS | heh...why would someone do this?: strcpy(filename, ""); |
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| 10:41:15 | LinusN | instead of filename[0] = '\0' ? :-) |
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| 10:41:36 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 10:41:38 | LinusN | odd |
| 10:42:47 | jhMikeS | They do this in the other branch: filename[12]='\0'; |
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| 10:44:08 | JdGordon | there is no way a loaded plugin can know its filename is there? |
| 10:44:19 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking instead of just saying "Prerecording..." it should display how much prerecord is available. |
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| 10:45:59 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: I collected that info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodHardwareInfo |
| 10:46:12 | linuxstb_ | (under model comparison) |
| 10:47:01 | linuxstb_ | It's read from flash - memory address 0x00002084. |
| 10:47:49 | jhMikeS | The H120 doesn't have a nice panic shutdown like the x5? Always reset button? |
| 10:49:22 | JdGordon | does anyone not like the idea of allowing a tsr plugin to not allow another plugin to be loaded and continue running, or drop the user back to the file tre? |
| 10:50:41 | linuxstb_ | Is the current behaviour to kill the TSR plugin? |
| 10:51:00 | JdGordon | well, to go into the exit callback, wait for it to exit and then load the new plugin |
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| 10:51:39 | jhMikeS | hmmm...It might be agc...it's prerecording and lock so far. Maybe it wasn't off before. |
| 10:51:48 | jhMikeS | no lock even |
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| 10:59:47 | JdGordon | it works :) |
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| 11:01:01 | jhMikeS | That's so weird. It's not doing it now. I did it many times. wtf? The transistors must be breakin time. |
| 11:01:25 | jhMikeS | need breakin time rather :P |
| 11:07:00 | jhMikeS | ooh...it did it again...but during a stop. the bl is not turning off now so things must be pretty locked. |
| 11:08:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: If you change a function call in the plugin api in an incompatible way, you not only need to bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION but also PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION, rendering the api incompatible with older plugins |
| 11:09:17 | amiconn | And if you do this you're also in charge of sorting the api, as the comment states |
| 11:09:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, i wasnt sure if just doing that change made it incompatible |
| 11:10:38 | JdGordon | sweet, this works :) |
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| 11:14:04 | JdGordon | ... well almost |
| 11:14:30 | daurn|laptop | JdGordon: you doing anything for NY? |
| 11:14:53 | JdGordon | 2 months away... i dunno |
| 11:15:08 | JdGordon | hopefully ill be overseas, but i dubt it |
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| 11:19:05 | LinusN | jhMikeS: iirc, Play should restart in panic mode |
| 11:19:20 | petur | yes it does |
| 11:20:13 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't especially like the idea that a tsr plugin may refuse to terminate, but_if_ we allow this, it would be probably easiest to give the exit_tsr function a boolean return value |
| 11:20:43 | amiconn | The function is called in main thread context, so it could display a request or whatever, and return true if it's okay to unload |
| 11:20:57 | * | petur wonders why the harddisk always spins up on shutdown, even when you didn't really do or change anything |
| 11:21:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: ive got it returning PLUGIN_OK if it allows another plugin to load, and anything else to not |
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| 11:22:26 | JdGordon | it also changes it to have a bool parameter so the plugin knows if it is being re-entered, or another plugin is going to load |
| 11:23:19 | jhMikeS | LinusN: re: the reset? |
| 11:23:46 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:25:36 | Slasheri | petur: if you run rockbox from flash then dircache and tagcache states are hibernated to disk on shutdown. Otherwise probably just settings are saved |
| 11:25:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why re-entered? If exit_tsr returns false, the plugin doesn't exit at all |
| 11:26:07 | amiconn | (as I think it should work) |
| 11:26:36 | petur | Slasheri: running from disk, and if nothing is changed, nothing should be written *calls for dirty flag* |
| 11:26:58 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, i mean, if the user tryed to load the runnig plugin again, or another one |
| 11:27:32 | jhMikeS | could the combo of DMA and IRAM be a problem? DMA is accessing a variable with IDATA_ATTR. |
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| 11:30:43 | LinusN | jhMikeS: iram and dma is a no-no, since not all iram is dma-capable |
| 11:32:26 | amiconn | LinusN: core iram is dma capable (on X5 after iram size balancing between core & codecs) |
| 11:33:20 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but that is more of a coincidence, isn't it? |
| 11:33:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's exactly what I mean |
| 11:34:12 | amiconn | In case a user tries to load another plugin while a tsr plugin is running, the plugin loader first calls exit_tsr |
| 11:34:13 | jhMikeS | hmmm...wouldn't that just lock it the first time if in the wrong bank? |
| 11:34:29 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 11:34:43 | amiconn | _if_ we want a tsr plugin to stop unloading itself, exit_tsr should return a bool |
| 11:35:03 | amiconn | If that bool is false, exit_tsr would _not_ unload the tsr plugin, and the loader would stop there |
| 11:35:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah i think we are agreeing with eachother.. and im not being clear |
| 11:35:49 | JdGordon | thats exactly whats happening.. |
| 11:36:13 | amiconn | So what does the _plugin_ need to know? |
| 11:36:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: well, the lock doesn't happen on x5 but on the H120 |
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| 11:36:43 | uski | hi :) |
| 11:36:57 | JdGordon | wheather or not it is being reloaded or not, it may want to do 2 different things depending on if it is being reloaded or if its being kicked out |
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| 11:40:24 | jhMikeS | and the lock keeps the backlight from shutting off so it's not a simple failure to yield thing |
| 11:42:14 | * | jhMikeS will stop bugging everyone about and keep headbanging ;) |
| 11:43:38 | Bagder | btw, I guess you noticed I fixed the cvs build error parsing script to also detect make errors |
| 11:44:04 | JdGordon | so now there is 2 errors because of rombox |
| 11:44:07 | LinusN | kewl |
| 11:44:36 | Bagder | yeps, the rombox failures now count as two |
| 11:45:02 | jhMikeS | I got tripped-up on that on my last commit if that's what was going on |
| 11:45:10 | Bagder | perhaps not entirelly correct, but I don't think the exact count is the important issue here |
| 11:50:09 | JdGordon | yay, patch ready, anyone wanna look at it? |
| 11:50:48 | Teknomancer | rockbox hung 3 times today :( |
| 11:50:56 | Teknomancer | need to upgrade i think |
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| 11:54:49 | pondlife | The playback code to update the progress bar at the end of a track is using a valid prev_ti, but it's pointing to data that has already been cleared. |
| 11:55:07 | pondlife | Don't suppose that could be causing any hangs? |
| 11:57:14 | jhMikeS | things are looking promising for removing the IDATA_ATTR from the callback pointer...*anxous waiting* |
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| 12:04:56 | jhMikeS | still running fine for 6min |
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| 12:07:25 | Phil`away | hey is now someone here who can help me with my ipod? |
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| 12:09:13 | JdGordon | alrighty then... unless there ae objections, im commiting... |
| 12:09:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: what are you working on? |
| 12:09:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: what? |
| 12:10:11 | JdGordon | making tsr plugins choose weather or not they can be unloaded |
| 12:10:20 | LinusN | ah, i see |
| 12:10:22 | JdGordon | my english tonight sucks :p |
| 12:10:22 | Phil`away | help: when i run ipodpatcher 2 (which is my ipod) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter" What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:10:29 | Teknomancer | rockbox uses SVN or CVS ? |
| 12:10:31 | LinusN | i have no objections |
| 12:10:31 | jhMikeS | can we coose to unloadthem manually? |
| 12:10:35 | LinusN | Teknomancer: cvs |
| 12:10:38 | Teknomancer | ok |
| 12:11:18 | jhMikeS | 13min and still no lock |
| 12:11:25 | LinusN | nice |
| 12:11:31 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: its up to the plugin, I've changed battery bench to ask the user f he wants to cancel the test if he tries loading another plugin |
| 12:12:21 | jhMikeS | I guess the var ended up in the wrong IRAM |
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| 12:13:02 | DerPhil | help please |
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| 12:16:44 | jhMikeS | hmm...still going |
| 12:18:22 | jhMikeS | how are the IRAM banks chosen? where should I look for that info? |
| 12:19:29 | LinusN | the iram banks aren't chosen |
| 12:19:54 | LinusN | the iram consists of two parts, and only one of them is dma capable |
| 12:20:07 | LinusN | it's in the data sheet |
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| 12:20:42 | LinusN | section 6 - static ram in MCF5249UM |
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| 12:22:31 | jhMikeS | LinusN: yes. I read that in the datasheet. But i'm wondering how it's all alotted during comiling/linking. |
| 12:22:50 | LinusN | jhMikeS: it isn't - we treat the iram as one single chunk |
| 12:23:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: why didn't you include the parameter name in the prototype? |
| 12:23:52 | JdGordon | i didnt? oops, ill fix that |
| 12:24:15 | jhMikeS | hmmm...isn't there some way of putting certain things in a certain bank or _could_ there be? |
| 12:24:22 | JdGordon | LinusN: where? |
| 12:25:06 | LinusN | plugin.c: +static bool (*pfn_tsr_exit)(bool) = NULL; /* TSR exit callback */ |
| 12:25:27 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 12:25:34 | JdGordon | is that really important? |
| 12:25:41 | LinusN | battery_bench.c: +bool exit_tsr(bool); |
| 12:25:52 | LinusN | no, it's not important, but it is good practice |
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| 12:26:55 | DerPhil | is there normally a autorun.ini or whatever it is called on an ipod? |
| 12:27:00 | DerPhil | winpod |
| 12:28:01 | LinusN | no |
| 12:28:06 | jhMikeS | had to be it...it's been prerecording for a 1/2hr |
| 12:28:14 | LinusN | jhMikeS: good |
| 12:30:11 | DerPhil | isnt there someone who may help me? |
| 12:32:06 | jhMikeS | if someone knows the answer they most likely will, just wait it out :) |
| 12:34:05 | pondlife | JdGordon: Did you see red..? |
| 12:34:10 | JdGordon | i did |
| 12:34:11 | JdGordon | fixing |
| 12:34:15 | JdGordon | bloody player! |
| 12:34:54 | JdGordon | all green again |
| 12:35:29 | JdGordon | well... in 2 runs time |
| 12:36:01 | pondlife | 2? |
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| 12:36:13 | JdGordon | in the middle of a build now |
| 12:36:20 | JdGordon | so at the end of the next one.. |
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| 12:44:02 | jhMikeS | DerPhil: Best I can give you ATM is that it can't read a file from your drive (looking at source code) |
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| 12:47:41 | jhMikeS | pre for almost 50min and no lock...think it's safe to call it solved since before it took about 15sec :) |
| 12:51:39 | DerPhil | what? |
| 12:52:18 | jhMikeS | DerPhil: I guess it's not able to read the physical drive of your player. |
| 12:52:29 | DerPhil | yes but why? |
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| 12:52:58 | DerPhil | my player is in disk mode and i can browse it with the Windows Browser |
| 12:54:01 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...make sure nothing else is reading it. What Windows? |
| 12:54:09 | DerPhil | xp pro |
| 12:54:20 | DerPhil | i shut down itunes and the ipodservice.exe |
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| 12:54:28 | jhMikeS | Try closing Explorer. It's a long shot. |
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| 12:55:42 | DerPhil | [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive2 |
| 12:55:43 | DerPhil | Error reading from disk: Falscher Parameter. |
| 12:58:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: rb->lcd_puts_scroll(0, 2, "Anything else will resume"); |
| 12:58:45 | LinusN | this will not be visible on the player, but i guess you knew that? |
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| 12:59:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, but the rest of the text is clear enough, so its ok... |
| 12:59:48 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I don't have an iPod but I'm guessing something's not right with the drive or something. Maybe formatted with the wrong sector size. |
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| 13:00:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: you could move that line inside the #ifdef |
| 13:00:51 | DerPhil | i think i cant change sector size on fat32, can i? |
| 13:01:18 | jhMikeS | It says it should be 512 in the source |
| 13:01:56 | DerPhil | do you know truecrypt? |
| 13:02:53 | preglow | oooh, snow |
| 13:03:19 | DerPhil | i can see my harddisks there and it says: Harddisk 2: \Device\Harddisk2\Partition1 27,9 GB Empty/unused |
| 13:04:38 | DerPhil | or is that normal and it is just because there's an own system running on it? |
| 13:06:28 | jhMikeS | not sure what you mean. Harddisk 2 is the player, correct? |
| 13:10:44 | * | Genre9mp3 is jealous of preglow |
| 13:10:56 | * | petur wants snow too |
| 13:12:30 | jhMikeS | DerPhil: you're using truecrypt on the iPod?!? |
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| 13:16:24 | DerPhil | jhMikeS lol no but when i select the device which is encrypted i see all my harddisks and the ipod is listed there tpp |
| 13:16:25 | DerPhil | too |
| 13:16:45 | DerPhil | but i know the prob now: i think i have a 5.5g ipod which isnt supported yet |
| 13:17:20 | DerPhil | is there any other os for the ipod except ipodlinux? because ipl also doesnt support 5.5g |
| 13:18:48 | jhMikeS | retailos of course |
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| 13:19:22 | swissDiurnambule | Hi everybod. I got the "freezing" bug with ipod photo. After random time, the ipod blocks itself. Sometimes I have "data abort" message... I saw some information about a cpufreq patch but dou you know something about that ? |
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| 13:26:18 | jhMikeS | ...ok...then there's still the frequency response glitch the tlv and uda get when switching about...ahh I'll shut up and just work |
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| 13:27:42 | Genre9mp3 | petur: I don't quite understand your post in the forums :P |
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| 13:39:42 | jhMikeS | Wait, DMA compatible IRAM means DMA tranfers can write/read it but what's that got to do with accessing an IRAM variable from the DMA interrupt routine? |
| 13:40:38 | DerPhil | where can i get retailos and is it good? |
| 13:41:30 | jhMikeS | *lol* Retail OS :) Original firmware. |
| 13:41:48 | DerPhil | omg |
| 13:41:49 | DerPhil | :D |
| 13:41:56 | DerPhil | you are very funny^^ |
| 13:42:31 | jhMikeS | retailos is commonly used here for OF |
| 13:42:50 | JdGordon | according to google, only us and ipl use tha t term :p |
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| 13:45:30 | DerPhil | anyway ipod wizard doesnt find my ipod like all the other programs |
| 13:45:41 | DerPhil | itunes is the only program finding my ipod |
| 13:46:13 | DerPhil | damn 5.5g |
| 13:46:47 | * | JdGordon wonders if DerPhil knows rockbox doesnt support the 5.5g |
| 13:47:51 | petur | Genre9mp3: I wanted to say that it really doesn't matter alot which OF you patch if you're going to use rockbox. And the korean isn't easy to understand if you load OF the first time ;) |
| 13:48:56 | DerPhil | yeah after a few hours of trying i read it |
| 13:49:03 | DerPhil | but ipodwizard should support 5.5g |
| 13:50:31 | jhMikeS | Isn't 5.5g the one with the sectore size issue? |
| 13:50:42 | JdGordon | among other thingd |
| 13:50:58 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Sure... I was just quoting Davide-NYC about DRM (which btw it's bless to get rid) and that if the op has the US fw he has to upgrade to another fw before patching Rockbox... to quote myself "I think Korean is the best choice but who cares?" ;) |
| 13:52:19 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you wrote "could the combo of DMA and IRAM be a problem? DMA is accessing a variable with IDATA_ATTR." |
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| 13:52:51 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I yes, I wrote something else. What's that gotta do with accessing it in the ISR? |
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| 13:53:40 | jhMikeS | wondering if MCLK could be glitching too even if set to its current value |
| 13:53:42 | petur | Genre9mp3: I still wonder where he said he has a US version. |
| 13:56:18 | LinusN | jhMikeS: possibly |
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| 13:56:48 | Genre9mp3 | petur: he didn't |
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| 13:57:04 | Genre9mp3 | Davide-NYC just pointed out that if he has, he'll lose DRM, and I just said that either way he has to lose DRM |
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| 13:57:52 | jhMikeS | something's giving the codecs a headache sometimes |
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| 14:01:00 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Maybe I didn't clarify well the hypothetic part on my post but anyways.. |
| 14:01:17 | Genre9mp3 | ..who cares about RetailOS? ;) |
| 14:01:28 | petur | indeed :) |
| 14:02:01 | Genre9mp3 | hehe... and the statement will be 100% true when you implement that USBOTG driver! :P |
| 14:02:26 | Genre9mp3 | after that we will ready to flash' em! |
| 14:02:30 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 14:02:48 | petur | yeah... progress is being made: a whole week with more rockbox time :) |
| 14:03:00 | Genre9mp3 | nice to hear :) |
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| 14:04:37 | Genre9mp3 | petur: btw, you still have plans for streaming audio via USB? (in the future of course) |
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| 14:05:19 | petur | don't know. I didn't port the printer and audio class drivers yet, only hid and storage |
| 14:05:51 | petur | still need to get the stack running first |
| 14:06:02 | Genre9mp3 | sure... |
| 14:06:13 | Genre9mp3 | just want to point you this: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index.php?redir=http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code]=MU-EDIUA1D&input[category_id]=1387 |
| 14:06:38 | petur | it's no longer crashing at startup, but the otg driver says he's not getting his interrupts... |
| 14:07:37 | petur | I bet you'll still need to write a separate driver for gear like that |
| 14:07:59 | Genre9mp3 | seperate driver? why? |
| 14:08:28 | Genre9mp3 | It's supposed to recieve/send digital audio |
| 14:09:18 | petur | maybe it's more complicated if it contains extra features? I haven't looked into usb audio so I'm just guessing |
| 14:09:48 | Genre9mp3 | no... it has no extra features |
| 14:10:18 | Genre9mp3 | just converts a usb port (commonly used in dacs) to s/pdif |
| 14:10:54 | petur | you want spdif on h3x0 :) |
| 14:10:55 | Genre9mp3 | It's not supposed to work with PC either... so no special drivers and stuff |
| 14:11:06 | Genre9mp3 | yup! :) |
| 14:11:44 | petur | well excuse me if I first try to get it working with devices I have here (being mass-storage) |
| 14:12:23 | Genre9mp3 | well... of course... I want to mount my external 250GB hard disk first, too |
| 14:12:57 | Genre9mp3 | the crappy retailOS doesn't recognise it |
| 14:13:12 | Genre9mp3 | and even if it did... I would be able to just copy files |
| 14:14:05 | Genre9mp3 | and even if it could actually mount.. I don't use retailOS heh |
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| 14:17:38 | petur | I just want to access the other memorycards in my multicard-reader |
| 14:17:58 | Genre9mp3 | hub class? |
| 14:18:23 | petur | there's a hub class driver too, yes |
| 14:19:03 | Genre9mp3 | I suppose this is what multicard readers use, no? |
| 14:19:14 | petur | I have no idea |
| 14:19:30 | petur | I get the feeling I will learn it |
| 14:20:05 | * | Genre9mp3 crosses fingers |
| 14:20:27 | Genre9mp3 | the last major thing that the H300 ports needs... :) |
| 14:21:13 | Genre9mp3 | port |
| 14:22:47 | Genre9mp3 | oh... and a new bootloader that charges too :) |
| 14:23:23 | Genre9mp3 | and hopefully will work here on Bootloader USB mode :/ |
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| 14:35:24 | petur | bah... the scrobbler plugin of foobar sucks. if you seek back to the start of a song and let it play completely, it refuses to submit: 'seeking detected' |
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| 14:42:34 | preglow | yeah, it's always been rather sucky |
| 14:42:40 | preglow | weird they haven't fixed it |
| 14:43:26 | Genre9mp3 | how rockbox's scrobbler work on that? |
| 14:43:49 | Genre9mp3 | I'll check the wiki |
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| 14:46:26 | Genre9mp3 | "track must have been listened to for more than 50% of its length." |
| 14:46:36 | Genre9mp3 | this explains it I guess |
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| 14:51:43 | petur | not quite: I listened to the song 120% (I seeked back to the beginning after half a minute). Just seeking is enough to disqualify |
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| 14:56:24 | Genre9mp3 | petur: with rockbox's scrobbler too? |
| 14:56:48 | petur | no idea - don't have my iriver with me today |
| 14:59:15 | Genre9mp3 | according to the wiki an entry to be scrobbled (sic) just needs 50% of the length, valid album/track tags and bigger than 30 sec |
| 14:59:21 | Genre9mp3 | ^with Rockbox that is |
| 14:59:33 | petur | seems about right |
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| 15:00:05 | Genre9mp3 | foobar uploads the log directly on last.fm? |
| 15:00:29 | petur | yes |
| 15:00:53 | Genre9mp3 | eeeewww... lack of privacy |
| 15:01:01 | petur | via foo_audioscrobbler |
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| 15:01:31 | Genre9mp3 | I don't use it to tell you the truth |
| 15:01:46 | petur | you still need to configure it to make it do that |
| 15:02:14 | Genre9mp3 | I use 0.8.x I guess it's not supported on that |
| 15:02:22 | amiconn | Hmm, JdGordon isn't around.... |
| 15:02:45 | * | petur scrobbles from 3 places: SlimDevices (home), foobar (work), rockbox (anywhere else) :) |
| 15:02:59 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Hmmm... Red Hot Chili Peppers! :P |
| 15:03:01 | amiconn | LinusN, JdGordon: Not only will a line with lcd_puts_scroll(0, 2, ....) be invisible, it would even crash the player |
| 15:03:08 | Genre9mp3 | ^lack of privacy I was refering |
| 15:03:33 | petur | Genre9mp3: guess what my fav band is :D |
| 15:03:40 | LinusN | amiconn: oh, i didn't know |
| 15:03:56 | petur | Genre9mp3: 0.8.3 here |
| 15:04:03 | Genre9mp3 | petur: De Mens? :P |
| 15:04:14 | petur | :D :D :D |
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| 15:04:31 | Genre9mp3 | never listened to them |
| 15:04:32 | amiconn | LinusN: I had crashes because of this with lamed's version of splash() ... |
| 15:04:43 | LinusN | ouch |
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| 15:05:30 | Genre9mp3 | the stats are nice though (in last.fm) |
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| 15:05:43 | amiconn | Ouch indeed |
| 15:06:00 | amiconn | The player code doesn't clip, unlike the bitmap code |
| 15:06:10 | * | amiconn thinks it should |
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| 15:12:17 | * | barrywardell has a new toy :) |
| 15:13:14 | petur | oh |
| 15:13:20 | linuxstb | ?? |
| 15:13:47 | barrywardell | sansa |
| 15:13:47 | preglow | is it lego? |
| 15:13:53 | barrywardell | e280 :) |
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| 15:14:38 | petur | preglow: legoblox? |
| 15:14:45 | linuxstb | Those Sansas are getting popular... |
| 15:14:52 | preglow | petur: would rock.. |
| 15:15:20 | Genre9mp3 | I think this is the first 8GB one, right? |
| 15:15:41 | barrywardell | yes |
| 15:15:45 | barrywardell | 8GB |
| 15:15:50 | barrywardell | it's nice |
| 15:16:11 | * | Genre9mp3 waits for the 8GB MMCs to be available :P |
| 15:16:54 | preglow | will our ongoing port work on it? |
| 15:17:47 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: At least 2 manufacturers have annouced them, or may even have it available |
| 15:18:03 | barrywardell | i'm gonna test the rockbox bootloader on it |
| 15:18:08 | amiconn | It's only a matter of time that they become available at stores |
| 15:18:21 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I know about Samsung only, who else? |
| 15:18:39 | amiconn | Samsung and Microdia |
| 15:18:46 | Genre9mp3 | nice... |
| 15:19:07 | * | amiconn is itching to implement MMC4.2 support |
| 15:19:15 | Genre9mp3 | :D |
| 15:19:23 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder about their price... |
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| 15:21:10 | barrywardell | can i update the firmware on linux? |
| 15:23:36 | preglow | time to go hunting for christmas beers |
| 15:24:56 | Genre9mp3 | omg.. Christmas... isn't a bit early for that? |
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| 15:28:48 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: http://www.microdia.com/ebiz/jsp/site/product_details.jsp?ccode=000003100011100&pcode=216 |
| 15:30:35 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I was there just a min ago! :) |
| 15:31:09 | preglow | Genre9mp3: all christmas stuff comes out around now here, yay consumers |
| 15:32:17 | Genre9mp3 | the Christmas habits here in Greece starts from december |
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| 15:32:30 | Genre9mp3 | I guess this is too late for the rest Europe standards |
| 15:32:54 | amiconn | Imho it _should_ start in december, or end ov november |
| 15:33:18 | amiconn | But shops here sometimes start offering christmas stuff mid-september (!) |
| 15:33:51 | Genre9mp3 | heh.. I was in Berlin in early November and it was a bit weird for me (the Christmas atmosphere) |
| 15:36:09 | preglow | should definitely start december |
| 15:36:28 | preglow | but when it comes to beer, i'm not strong enough to withstand it, so need to buy some |
| 15:36:31 | preglow | heh |
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| 15:37:03 | Genre9mp3 | Beer is for all the year! not just Christmas :P |
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| 15:37:20 | Genre9mp3 | and for me... especially summer time |
| 15:37:32 | * | petur can't stand all the triggering :p |
| 15:38:09 | Genre9mp3 | petur: you don't miss any opportunity to get triggered! :P |
| 15:38:36 | * | petur will get seriously triggered tonight |
| 15:39:08 | preglow | the christmas beers are the only really decent beers the big brewers in norway make too |
| 15:39:10 | petur | always go for some beers after badminton on tuesdays :) |
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| 15:40:10 | Genre9mp3 | badminton? |
| 15:40:17 | Genre9mp3 | you play or watch? |
| 15:40:21 | petur | play |
| 15:40:33 | Genre9mp3 | very weird sport... |
| 15:40:41 | petur | it's an excuse to have some beers afterwards |
| 15:40:49 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
| 15:41:03 | preglow | weird? |
| 15:41:07 | preglow | i like it, it's fun |
| 15:41:07 | Genre9mp3 | I was working on the badminton venue on 2004 olympics btw |
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| 15:42:38 | Genre9mp3 | I was directly triggered to beers! No need to watch first! :P |
| 15:42:49 | preglow | shuttlecock, now there's a word for you |
| 15:43:31 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: I have one here! souvenir :) |
| 15:43:48 | preglow | i don't even know what they're called in norwegian, heh |
| 15:44:45 | Genre9mp3 | ball with feathers? |
| 15:44:48 | Genre9mp3 | heh |
| 15:44:49 | preglow | hmm, yeah |
| 15:44:52 | preglow | actually it is |
| 15:44:55 | preglow | fjærball |
| 15:44:56 | preglow | haha |
| 15:44:57 | Genre9mp3 | I know |
| 15:45:12 | Genre9mp3 | weird chars on my screen |
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| 15:46:38 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Are you planning a commit to resolve the IRAM/DMA lockup? |
| 15:49:00 | pondlife | Or is it just part of your monster patch? |
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| 16:21:11 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I think I got the lockup for record but there's another where entering recording when radio is already playing on H120 (H300?) |
| 16:21:46 | jhMikeS | pondlife: are you saying there's already a problem in the current CVS with that? |
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| 16:22:09 | pondlife | I've had an intermittent lockup when leaving recording |
| 16:22:25 | pondlife | Probably unrelated. |
| 16:23:03 | jhMikeS | This was happening in just 15sec sometimes but I changed things and ran it for an hour |
| 16:25:32 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna give a big rethink on how things are handled with setting up interrupts for DMA. Masking doesn't follow the datasheet's explicit instructions for instance. |
| 16:27:50 | pondlife | Any idea roughly how long before you'll be committing this stuff? I won't bother investigating it, am sticking to playback. |
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| 16:30:32 | jhMikeS | I don't know. Was hoping real soon. I need to get some zzzz's first. :P |
| 16:34:01 | jhMikeS | If you're working playback.c, See FS #5747 re: the PCM playback though iPods didn't seem to suffer it. |
| 16:35:39 | pondlife | 5747 is as intended really, it could be better, but it's not really a bug. |
| 16:36:04 | pondlife | The whole audio pause is at the wrong place, the PCM buffer should still be usable in paused state |
| 16:36:28 | pondlife | I can do an easy "fix", but it adds quite a lot of latency to pause, so is not good. |
| 16:36:30 | jhMikeS | If you skip to a new song while, the one you left should continue to play remaining data? |
| 16:36:49 | pondlife | Yes, with the current structure. |
| 16:36:52 | jhMikeS | while paused |
| 16:37:06 | pondlife | A flush could be added, but that'd just be a bodge |
| 16:37:17 | pondlife | Better to make the pause work properly |
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| 16:37:38 | jhMikeS | nah, just use pcm_play_stop first and the remaining DMA tranfer will be cancelled |
| 16:37:52 | pondlife | I'm more interested in the bugs where memory gets screwed and things crash. |
| 16:38:19 | jhMikeS | Like when codecs fail? That never recovers quite right. |
| 16:38:23 | pondlife | Yep |
| 16:38:51 | pondlife | Or changing some settings (e.g. crossfade) during playback... |
| 16:39:07 | pondlife | Seems to work at the time, but odd things happen later, until you reset. |
| 16:39:22 | jhMikeS | I don't even know where in playback.c you explicily know that the user changed tracks. |
| 16:39:55 | pondlife | Anywhere that track_changed is set. There are too many of those in there too! |
| 16:40:17 | jhMikeS | That doesn't apply to say shuffled playback? |
| 16:42:20 | jhMikeS | ok, dumb question ) |
| 16:44:45 | pondlife | I still think playback.c is over-complicated. ;) |
| 16:44:51 | jhMikeS | yes the PCM buffer should be simply resumed if no skip was done during pause |
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| 16:45:30 | jhMikeS | me too. needs a really big straightening out IMHO |
| 16:45:46 | pondlife | The bigger problem is to make voice work while music is paused. |
| 16:46:04 | pondlife | i.e. let PCM carry on while the audio codec is paused |
| 16:46:51 | amiconn | The pcm buffer is split into blocks, correct? |
| 16:46:56 | pondlife | Yes |
| 16:46:58 | jhMikeS | That's kind of a low level problem. Would actually require saving the state at pause time and restoring it. |
| 16:47:07 | amiconn | What about always pausing on a block boundary? |
| 16:47:50 | pondlife | I'm not very knowledgeable on the PCM stuff yet... can you explain how that helps? |
| 16:47:51 | jhMikeS | Need smaller blocks and more callbacks then or it's too coarse. |
| 16:47:59 | amiconn | This way the problem how to deal with voice during pause would become a lot easier to solve |
| 16:48:31 | pondlife | ? |
| 16:49:11 | pondlife | Pause = stop at the end of the current block. But we still need to insert "voice blocks"... |
| 16:49:18 | jhMikeS | Yes, a DMA tranfer would always be completed when pause is complete and not left in the middle. |
| 16:49:24 | amiconn | Well, if pcm playback always plays complete blocks, pausing main playback would just stop feeding blocks |
| 16:49:52 | amiconn | pcm playback would go on until all blocks are consumed. New blocks arriving (e.g. voice) would make it start again |
| 16:50:02 | pondlife | It should do, but the user gets increased latency - pressing pause would not stop music immediately. |
| 16:50:17 | pondlife | Currently it's pretty quick. |
| 16:50:27 | amiconn | Well, if a block is around 0.1 ... 0.2seconds, I doubt it would be noticeable |
| 16:50:41 | jhMikeS | I'm also wondering about some things re: the fact that everythings a line transfer. Are all block a multiple of 16 bytes? |
| 16:50:56 | amiconn | ? |
| 16:51:37 | pondlife | Currently we have already buffered quite a few blocks from playback -> PCM. Voice can't be inserted, only appended. |
| 16:52:30 | pondlife | Currently, that is! |
| 16:52:39 | amiconn | Of course we need 2 queues |
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| 16:53:26 | amiconn | Or rather, one main queue that can be stopped immediately before the blocks are fed to the dma. |
| 16:53:27 | jhMikeS | DCR0 = DMA_INT | DMA_EEXT | DMA_CS | DMA_AA | DMA_SINC | (3 << 20) | DMA_START; <- 16 bytes transfers, no? |
| 16:53:58 | amiconn | At that point, the voice blocks would either be mixed in, or transferred straight if main pcm is paused/stopped |
| 16:55:25 | pondlife | We do need 2 queues. That also helps with voice responsiveness. |
| 16:56:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Nope. Only SSIZE is line, and DSIZE is longword |
| 16:56:42 | jhMikeS | voice blocks should go through the dsp so the sample rate doesn't have to be switched just to play a voice clip during pause. |
| 16:56:55 | amiconn | Check how the DMA Auto-Align feature works |
| 16:58:49 | jhMikeS | The value 3 << 20 is line for both fields |
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| 16:59:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: no it isn't |
| 16:59:35 | jhMikeS | or rather 3 << 17 for DSIZE |
| 16:59:49 | pondlife | Hmm, all this talk of DMA is not the level I think at. Mind you, I'd rather use C++ for playback. |
| 16:59:53 | amiconn | Ye, but there is no (3<<17) |
| 16:59:53 | * | pondlife is a heretic |
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| 17:00:06 | amiconn | urgh |
| 17:00:14 | * | amiconn tries to stay away from oo |
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| 17:00:25 | petur | ooooooooo |
| 17:00:38 | webguest09 | hi everybody |
| 17:00:53 | amiconn | Somehow oo coding contradicts my way of thinking |
| 17:01:00 | jhMikeS | ok...then I don't understand it correctly. It can transfer it different sizes for source and dest then |
| 17:01:15 | pondlife | I normally avoid oo too, but some places - buffers and queues - can do with their interfaces tightening |
| 17:01:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I repeat: Check out how DMA auto-align works... |
| 17:01:28 | jhMikeS | looking... |
| 17:02:23 | webguest09 | can someone help please? the hebrew lang is not working on my X5... |
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| 17:08:29 | jhMikeS | nifty |
| 17:08:33 | amiconn | yup |
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| 17:11:01 | bluebrother | OT: does somebody know of a way reading the SPD-EEPROM contents using linux? |
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| 17:13:17 | webguest65 | hey guys, can someone help please? the hebrew on my X5 is jibrish. what do i do? |
| 17:13:41 | bluebrother | webguest65, are you using a suitable font? |
| 17:16:17 | webguest65 | i don't know, i installed yesterday's build and didn't change fonts at all |
| 17:16:32 | jhMikeS | think I need to pause, stop my voice and tranfer a complete block in to my head to get things done =) |
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| 17:19:06 | jhMikeS | time for some zzzz |
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| 17:22:39 | linuxstb | webguest70: You probably also need to download the fonts zip file and extract the contents to your player - it's on the daily builds page. Then select a new font via the Browse Fonts menu option. |
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| 17:23:47 | webguest70 | thanks man, |
| 17:24:00 | bluebrother | I don't think the default font has hebrew glyphs. Try unifont |
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| 17:39:38 | webguest70 | thanks guys |
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| 17:43:55 | pondlife | lostlogic: around? I have another queue overflow that's not dependent on button maps :) |
| 17:44:13 | pondlife | Just enable or disable crossfade during playback. |
| 17:44:35 | pondlife | There's a flood of unprocessed Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFERs |
| 17:44:45 | preglow | how'd that queue debugging turn out? as bad as it first seemed? |
| 17:44:57 | pondlife | No, it's not too bad |
| 17:45:03 | pondlife | But it has revealed some fun |
| 17:45:10 | preglow | but you got a queue overflow from sneezing when you first tried it... |
| 17:45:58 | pondlife | Yes, I think that was my config. Not sure what was up, but since I reloaded a config it has generally been fine. Would like to know why it was so touchy before still... |
| 17:46:15 | pondlife | This one panics the sim too, easy to repro |
| 17:46:29 | pondlife | Or maybe it only panics the sim...? |
| 17:47:21 | preglow | if it does, it should be fixed anyway |
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| 17:50:34 | lostlogic | pondlife: hmmmm |
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| 17:50:50 | lostlogic | pondlife: so this is if you try to change crossfade setting during buffer fill? |
| 17:51:10 | lostlogic | pondlife: otherwise, what would crossfade have to do with it? |
| 17:51:18 | pondlife | Yes, just enabling or disabling. Probably the same issue as the shutdown, as a buffer size change stops and re-inits playback |
| 17:51:30 | lostlogic | oh, that. |
| 17:51:43 | lostlogic | well clearly our shutdown sequence is effed |
| 17:52:03 | pondlife | Yup. |
| 17:52:15 | pondlife | We shouldn't be asking for more data at that point. |
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| 17:53:19 | lostlogic | the problem is that codec shutdown is triggered after the buffer is empty or somesuch |
| 17:56:10 | pondlife | A similar case to the one lowlight fixed at the natural end of playback? |
| 17:56:16 | lostlogic | yar |
| 17:56:32 | pondlife | i.e. Could a revised fix cover all three situations? |
| 17:56:38 | lostlogic | I would spect so |
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| 17:57:14 | pondlife | I've got a weird bug here. Pause during the last track in an album and then skip to the track start - it starts playing... |
| 17:57:44 | pondlife | But remains in pause mode |
| 17:57:53 | pondlife | I can't believe this has been in there long..! |
| 17:58:53 | pondlife | Ah, any track at all - just pause then skip to the track start. |
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| 18:08:29 | lowlight | pondlife: I think maybe having a "filling_queued" variable might be necessary so that only one fill buffer request gets queued. |
| 18:09:15 | pondlife | Shouldn't be necessary if we get the rest right. |
| 18:09:35 | pondlife | I'd rather only add more globals if we can't fix it any other way. |
| 18:09:43 | lowlight | even if the queue didn't overflow it's silly to waste the time processing a dozen unnecessary requests |
| 18:09:48 | pondlife | (Says he who just put another global in.) |
| 18:10:08 | pondlife | True, but we should see if we can fix it nicely first. Then add that as an optimisation. |
| 18:13:11 | lowlight | Seems like you can either check if the queue is full in queue_post or check if you really need to queue in the first place. |
| 18:13:42 | lowlight | Does anything else cause queue overflows? |
| 18:13:58 | * | amiconn spots lowlight :) |
| 18:14:26 | * | lowlight waves |
| 18:14:59 | lowlight | Thanks for committing the gwps stuff :) |
| 18:15:07 | amiconn | lowlight: It would be really nice if you would come up with a few more code-saving ideas like the one I committed... |
| 18:15:39 | pondlife | Hmm, the SDL stuff doesn't behave like the target.... |
| 18:15:46 | * | lowlight looks in his bag of tricks |
| 18:15:55 | pondlife | pcm_play_stop always cancels PCM pause mode |
| 18:16:22 | pondlife | That's not good, and not true on the target. |
| 18:16:39 | lostlogic | pondlife: someone broke something witht he seek_complete callback |
| 18:16:52 | lostlogic | it should never unpause if a manual pause was in place when the seek started, only if it was an automatic pause |
| 18:17:30 | pondlife | That's not the problem here |
| 18:17:48 | pondlife | This is a sim-only issue. It works fine on H340 target. |
| 18:17:56 | lostlogic | oh, sorry, didn't see those last two lines |
| 18:17:57 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:18:08 | pondlife | Look at sdl_dma_stop() for a laugh. |
| 18:18:21 | pondlife | SDL_PauseAudio(1); |
| 18:18:21 | pondlife | pcm_paused = false; |
| 18:18:42 | pondlife | Elsewhere we assume that stop doesn't cancel pause. |
| 18:18:58 | lostlogic | as for the queueing stuff −− there's no real cost to processing the extra fill buffers if they are _legit_ fill requests −− ie the buffer really is low and the buffer really should be filling and isn't, the overhead is basically 2-3 levels of return and 2-3 levels of calls to get right back to where it was |
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| 18:21:29 | pondlife | Only the audio thread can decide whether we're already filling, otherwise race conditions may be introduced. |
| 18:22:28 | lostlogic | pondlife: nobody else can set it |
| 18:22:31 | lostlogic | but anyone else can read it |
| 18:23:43 | pondlife | Yes, but they may read it at the wrong point in time, i.e. it's just been cleared. |
| 18:24:03 | pondlife | And decide not to fill, although filling is no longer in progress but new filling is needed. |
| 18:24:16 | pondlife | It would probably recover soon enough, but it's not right. |
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| 18:24:48 | lowlight | amiconn: I have a note-to-self to figure out why wps_state.current_track_path[] is necessary when it's just copied from wps_state.id3.path. |
| 18:27:23 | pondlife | gtg |
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| 18:40:56 | Deef | I find I'm undecided about whether I prefer Rockbox, or the iRiver 1.30 firmware |
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| 18:43:19 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: Well, why worry? you have both |
| 18:43:29 | Deef | yeah |
| 18:43:35 | Deef | Still getting used to either |
| 18:43:41 | Deef | Only had it a day |
| 18:44:08 | Deef | I'm still in the "Do I tap A-B then press Navi and hold record?" |
| 18:44:22 | Genre9mp3 | this is natural |
| 18:44:28 | Deef | "Or is that hold Navi, press AB and select record mode" |
| 18:44:32 | Deef | hehe |
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| 18:44:46 | Genre9mp3 | I use Rockbox since January... and never go back ;) |
| 18:44:49 | Deef | Here's one that's bugging me actually |
| 18:45:02 | Deef | If I'm playing a song in Rockbox, and I press Navi |
| 18:45:04 | Davide-NYC | Anyone care to remove a bug report from flyspry? |
| 18:45:15 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5869 |
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| 18:45:21 | Davide-NYC | no longer relevant |
| 18:46:05 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: you get to the file browser... what bothers you with that? |
| 18:46:20 | Deef | sorry |
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| 18:46:27 | Deef | How do I get back to the playing screen |
| 18:46:30 | Deef | without restarting the song |
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| 18:47:13 | Genre9mp3 | press play |
| 18:47:22 | lowlight | Deef: play returns to the wps. |
| 18:47:22 | Deef | ... |
| 18:47:26 | Deef | >_< |
| 18:47:39 | Deef | I must have assumed I'd tried it and it paused it |
| 18:49:04 | nls | Davide-NYC, done |
| 18:49:26 | Deef | I feel like it would be more intuitive if Navi toggled the playing screen/browser |
| 18:49:31 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 18:49:45 | Deef | I dunno |
| 18:49:57 | Deef | Not in a place to haggle about the interface yet |
| 18:50:13 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: NAVI goes a level down in file browser or selects a file |
| 18:50:27 | Deef | yeah |
| 18:51:08 | Deef | I know it all makes sense when you see it the right way |
| 18:51:13 | nls | Deef, don't worry basically everyone that tries rockbox has "it's ugly" or some request for the ui, you'll get used to it |
| 18:51:21 | Deef | yeah heh |
| 18:51:42 | Deef | I guess everyone says they want to write their own WPS too |
| 18:52:01 | Genre9mp3 | Actually this happens with any firmware/program/ui/enviroment etc. |
| 18:52:26 | nls | Many people do make their own WPS I made mine, it's not difficult. :) |
| 18:52:45 | Deef | cool |
| 18:53:20 | Davide-NYC | anyone feeling bold enough to make a long overdue font deletion? |
| 18:53:22 | Deef | Strange that the stop button is more often pause than stop |
| 18:53:28 | nls | yay only 940 open tasks in flyspray, we'll easily hit 1k before 2k7 :-P |
| 18:53:45 | Deef | lol |
| 18:53:47 | Davide-NYC | nls, you have CVS priveledges? |
| 18:53:54 | nls | Deef, I do... |
| 18:53:55 | Davide-NYC | wnat to commit a deletion? |
| 18:54:02 | Davide-NYC | :-) !!! |
| 18:54:12 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6031 |
| 18:54:13 | nls | what? |
| 18:54:33 | Davide-NYC | it's horrible. It's broken. It's not worth fixing. |
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| 18:54:46 | nls | why not? |
| 18:54:47 | Davide-NYC | I don;t think it works on any target. |
| 18:55:00 | Davide-NYC | because we have other large fonts. |
| 18:55:18 | Deef | Does Rockbox have crossfading? |
| 18:55:23 | nls | yep |
| 18:55:42 | nls | Davide-NYC, I'm not sure, don't want to mess with that stuff... |
| 18:55:59 | Davide-NYC | Who has the guts? |
| 18:56:01 | Deef | I can find crossfeeding |
| 18:56:05 | Deef | But not crossfading |
| 18:56:08 | Davide-NYC | I have been trying to clean this up for months |
| 18:56:14 | Davide-NYC | it makes RB look bad |
| 18:56:28 | nls | If you fix it I'll commit ;-) |
| 18:56:37 | Genre9mp3 | Deef, A very helpful link for you to start with: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-build.html |
| 18:56:40 | Davide-NYC | What if I just DELETE |
| 18:56:45 | Davide-NYC | lol |
| 18:56:51 | Deef | oh |
| 18:56:56 | Deef | found the fading |
| 18:57:07 | Deef | ty Genre |
| 18:57:32 | Deef | ah I have the pdf |
| 18:57:36 | Deef | Just not open atm |
| 18:57:40 | Deef | but point taken |
| 18:57:47 | Genre9mp3 | ;) |
| 18:58:12 | Davide-NYC | Urghh, I guess we have to live with a little garbage in the house. Stinking away in the corner. Rotting and smelling up the place. ;-) |
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| 19:03:39 | Deef | gweh |
| 19:03:42 | Deef | crashed |
| 19:03:47 | Deef | 4th time today |
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| 19:04:11 | nls | Deef, what did you do? ,h300? |
| 19:04:23 | Deef | 340 |
| 19:04:39 | Deef | *nods* |
| 19:04:48 | Deef | *and awaits comforting advice* |
| 19:05:03 | nls | but what did you do? |
| 19:05:22 | Deef | oh, the h300 was a typo? |
| 19:05:46 | nls | no, but I wonder what you did to crash it. |
| 19:06:09 | Deef | Just then I was skipping back through tracks |
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| 19:06:47 | Deef | *shrugs* |
| 19:06:54 | Deef | I've been messing with it alot |
| 19:07:02 | Deef | one crash in Rockpaint, one with recording I think |
| 19:07:18 | Deef | can't remember the third |
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| 19:07:56 | * | Deef wonders why there is a repeat shuffle option |
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| 19:08:13 | nls | yeah, playback/recording is in a *being under heavy maintenance* state right now and is a little unstable :-) |
| 19:08:20 | nls | to repeat shuffle? |
| 19:08:39 | Deef | but there's shuffle |
| 19:09:02 | nls | shuffle != random (each file is played once) |
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| 19:09:09 | Deef | You can turn shuffle off, but repeat shuffle on |
| 19:12:30 | nls | It's all in the manual |
| 19:12:35 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: Again... the manual has all the answers for you |
| 19:12:43 | Deef | ... |
| 19:12:43 | Genre9mp3 | for instance: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-920007.1 |
| 19:12:48 | Deef | It only says shuffle shuffles |
| 19:13:03 | Deef | and repeat shuffle shuffles, then repeats |
| 19:13:13 | nls | repeat shuffle Shuffle. |
| 19:13:13 | nls | When the current directory or playlist has finished playing, it will be shuffled and then repeated. |
| 19:13:27 | Deef | I understand what they do |
| 19:13:40 | Deef | I'm questioning the logic in having two shuffles |
| 19:14:01 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: awesome, thanks |
| 19:14:18 | Deef | shuffle on + repeat on = repeat shuffle, like any other audio player |
| 19:14:39 | Deef | How is the actual "repeat shuffle" not redundant |
| 19:15:58 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: the repeat shuffle's logic is that the first time you have no shuffle but the tracks are re-organised in the list every time you play them again |
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| 19:15:59 | nls | Hmm. idk either someone had a good reason to do this or it was overlooked... (maybe a code save opportunity for amiconn :-P) |
| 19:16:15 | nls | or that |
| 19:16:54 | Genre9mp3 | Repeat shuffle actually does what it says... it shuffles after a repeat |
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| 19:17:21 | Deef | oh I see |
| 19:17:25 | Deef | Ok |
| 19:17:47 | Deef | One of the smaller features |
| 19:17:49 | Deef | lol |
| 19:18:52 | Pajama-B | I need to get the correct power supply for the h100, i don't want to fry it like I did last time, but the ebay description says.. |
| 19:19:04 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: That must be the longest ever gap between answer and response... :) |
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| 19:19:25 | Pajama-B | Input: 110v~240v for USA Europe Asia 110v or 220v |
| 19:19:34 | Pajama-B | so how does that work? |
| 19:21:56 | Kasperle | linuxstb: hehe. not quite ;) my irc client is running all the time on some remote box, i often use it for asynchronous communication ;) |
| 19:22:14 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: This is the input specs.. .you get one depending where you live |
| 19:22:56 | Pajama-B | the one we got is from Korea so it has a 220 v charger |
| 19:23:16 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: You want the exact specs for the H100 charger? |
| 19:23:23 | Pajama-B | yeah |
| 19:23:28 | Genre9mp3 | wait a min |
| 19:24:07 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=345941&postcount=1 |
| 19:24:15 | linuxstb | Kasperle: It's just that you answered as if I had responded a few minutes ago, not 9 hours ago... Does your interest mean you're hacking away at the 5.5g? |
| 19:25:28 | Kasperle | linuxstb: only very little. i should be studying for an important exam atm, so I'm just prodding around, not doing any serious work. :/ |
| 19:25:58 | linuxstb | Do you have the 30GB or 80GB? |
| 19:26:04 | Kasperle | 30 GB |
| 19:26:15 | Pajama-B | could i use some kind of adapter? |
| 19:26:29 | linuxstb | Kasperle: You'll have an easier time of it then... |
| 19:26:35 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: yes |
| 19:26:43 | Kasperle | linuxstb: so i've heard |
| 19:27:22 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: As long as the charger has that specs in the link I gave you you won't have any problems |
| 19:28:01 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: I bought my H300 from a store in UK, they have completely different plugs than here so I used an adapter |
| 19:28:18 | Pajama-B | what about in Korea? |
| 19:28:20 | Pajama-B | lol |
| 19:28:51 | Kasperle | linuxstb: unfortunately kalthare's patch for the bootloader doesn't work for me. that's why i'm hacking away at ipod loader2 in the first place |
| 19:28:56 | Genre9mp3 | the fact taht matters is what the charger outputs to your player |
| 19:29:50 | Pajama-B | yeah |
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| 19:33:00 | Pajama-B | radio shack should have these? |
| 19:33:24 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: Btw, keep your H100 away from Nokia chargers... they fit and they are notorious for burning poor little irivers |
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| 19:34:20 | Pajama-B | i got some cable on ebay that had usb on it, and you put the regular usb into this wall thing |
| 19:34:29 | Pajama-B | but i think that's what broke it |
| 19:34:53 | Pajama-B | and it would get really hot |
| 19:34:54 | Genre9mp3 | Don't know about Radio-shack.. but you can go even to a local store and ask for a charger with the specs I gave you |
| 19:35:18 | Pajama-B | all we have here is radio shack. radio shack didn't have it |
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| 19:35:35 | Pajama-B | they had something similar, i think that could have messed it up too |
| 19:35:45 | Genre9mp3 | DC power plug: 3mm x 1.35mm / polarity: -(+ / voltage: 5v max / amps: 2 amp max |
| 19:35:48 | Genre9mp3 | ^that's what you need |
| 19:35:50 | Pajama-B | it gets really really hot |
| 19:36:16 | Deef | crashed again |
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| 19:36:36 | Pajama-B | It comes with the korean charger |
| 19:36:50 | Pajama-B | so i should just get an adapter |
| 19:36:53 | Genre9mp3 | Deef: I see you 're having fun! :P |
| 19:37:08 | Deef | yeah heh |
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| 19:37:28 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: The one you have is the official one but Korean? |
| 19:37:29 | Deef | Trying to see if repeat shuffle even does actually shuffle |
| 19:37:34 | Pajama-B | yeah |
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| 19:38:00 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: Then all you need is an adapter |
| 19:38:10 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 19:38:39 | Deef | strange |
| 19:39:04 | Deef | I was fast forwarding through tracks, but it was getting quite slow to restart playing |
| 19:39:14 | Deef | having reset, I see that that isn't normal |
| 19:39:43 | Genre9mp3 | Pajama-B: You should advice a local store for what adapter you'll need |
| 19:39:55 | Genre9mp3 | I'm not familiar with the Korean standards |
| 19:39:56 | Pajama-B | cool |
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| 19:44:25 | Deef | Ok I would like to say that repeat shuffle == repeat |
| 19:45:03 | nls | then tha's a bug :-) |
| 19:45:15 | nls | that's a bug, even |
| 19:45:52 | Deef | *nods* |
| 19:46:20 | Deef | Turning on shuffle and repeat shuffle causes it to shuffle from the word go |
| 19:46:52 | Deef | Does anyone else use the upside down plugin? |
| 19:47:01 | Deef | I think I'm going to live off it |
| 19:53:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:54:26 | * | Deef notices the AutoChange Directory heading in the manual is missing the description for 'random' |
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| 19:57:15 | nls | That feature is pretty new and nobody that adds features to rockbox ever care to update the manual. |
| 19:57:36 | * | nls points at JDgordon |
| 19:57:50 | Deef | nods |
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| 20:06:57 | Deef | The iRiver firmware has intro mode |
| 20:07:21 | Deef | Intro mode that can start from a minute into each track... which is pretty cool.. never seen that on a player before |
| 20:07:28 | Deef | Know if Rockbox has that? |
| 20:08:36 | Genre9mp3 | I think no |
| 20:08:52 | Deef | ah well |
| 20:13:19 | nls | Anyone knows if AGC works for archos jukeboxes? |
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| 20:16:40 | _eckobar_ | hi everybody |
| 20:17:02 | Deef | hullo |
| 20:17:16 | _eckobar_ | need help: my ipod 5G with rockbox has hang up. is there any key combination to make restart? |
| 20:17:46 | _eckobar_ | nothing helped: press long play or press menu+play |
| 20:18:01 | Deef | No experience with ipods myself |
| 20:18:16 | _eckobar_ | f*** |
| 20:18:19 | nls | try holding select+play or select+menu |
| 20:18:21 | Deef | But when my iRiver crashes there's reset button I can press with a toothpick or pin etc |
| 20:18:37 | Deef | Doesn't hurt rockbox, or even any settings |
| 20:18:58 | Pajama-B | when you're wearing headphones it farts |
| 20:19:02 | _eckobar_ | Deef: nothing to press with toothpick. |
| 20:19:04 | Pajama-B | lol |
| 20:19:24 | nls | _eckobar_, did you try the button combos I suggested |
| 20:19:26 | amiconn | Select+Menu is the hardware reset combo on ipod |
| 20:19:50 | _eckobar_ | nls: nothing helped, pressed very long. but no action ... only light was going on. |
| 20:20:14 | nls | amiconn, does AGC work for recording on archos |
| 20:20:16 | nls | ? |
| 20:21:48 | amiconn | Probably not; never tried or checked |
| 20:22:42 | nls | And I was hoping to close a three year old feature request ;-) |
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| 20:23:02 | pixelma | I couldn't find such an option in the recording settings menu on my Ondio |
| 20:23:30 | nls | We have nearly 500 open requests now and I think someone needs to decide what should be rejected etc... |
| 20:23:36 | nls | pixelma, thanks |
| 20:26:15 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
| 20:27:45 | Deef | What is car adaptor mode |
| 20:27:48 | Deef | Manual doesn't say |
| 20:28:05 | Nimdae | i'm working on my own theme :) |
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| 20:43:41 | birdfish | Heya guys, I know it's still /really/ early, but I was just wondering if anyone had heard any talk about an eventual port for the upcoming Zune player? (I'd definitely regret buying a proprietary player again) |
| 20:45:17 | _eckobar_ | nls: ipod decided to restart by himself after 10 minutes. but no damage could be verified, everything looks ok. *gg* |
| 20:46:08 | preglow | is the zune hardware even known? |
| 20:47:04 | lowlight | birdfish: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 |
| 20:47:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: It's essentially the Gigabeat S, according to talk I've heard. |
| 20:48:27 | Deef | Worth asking again |
| 20:48:37 | Deef | Anyone know what car adapter mode is? |
| 20:49:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Do you have an Archos? |
| 20:49:22 | birdfish | lowlight: woot, thanks for the link dude :) (but yeah, I realize that it hasn't been released and that there really isn't any way to know if a port will be developed. that's why I was just asking if there had been any discussion revolving about the topic, or whether everyone was just shunning it because of the microsoft branding) |
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| 20:54:09 | * | Paul_the_Nerd always wonders why someone would ask a question and then ignore responses. |
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| 20:55:46 | preglow | when do you need to flip the display? |
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| 20:59:05 | Nimdae | zune is basically gigabeat s...in fact, it's looking to be a repackaged gigabeat, heh |
| 20:59:29 | Nimdae | made by the same company |
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| 21:00:14 | amiconn | preglow: Depending on how you (have to) place your player, it can be useful |
| 21:00:31 | amiconn | Someone actually asked for display flip on X5 recently |
| 21:00:44 | amiconn | It was all prepared, just not hooked to the settings menu |
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| 21:05:40 | Deef | I have a fun question |
| 21:05:58 | Deef | The h340 I just bought.. all the songs on it were wiped by the looks of it |
| 21:06:12 | Deef | Except suddenly I've found a playlist sitting in root |
| 21:06:35 | Deef | And that points to and plays (in Winamp) all these songs I don't have |
| 21:07:33 | Deef | 600 songs |
| 21:07:39 | birdfish | amiconn: hold on. are you saying that there is currently a way to flip the display on the x5? i'd love to try this out! :) |
| 21:08:13 | Deef | Except I don't know how to actually retrieve these music files. Winamp says they're in recycled, windows says Recycled is empty |
| 21:08:29 | birdfish | Deef: even when you connect the h340? |
| 21:08:45 | Deef | Yeah, I've only seen them while its been connected |
| 21:08:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Retrieving them would most likely be illegal anyway, seeing as you don't own them. |
| 21:08:53 | birdfish | The recycle bin won't show the files that the dap trashed until it's connected |
| 21:09:32 | * | birdfish wonders how paul knows deef doesn't own the songs? |
| 21:09:39 | * | birdfish supposes he missed something |
| 21:09:44 | Deef | Is the recycle bin even visible running the player on its own? |
| 21:09:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: Read his whole statement. He bought the H340, supposed to be wiped, but there was that playlist still on it. |
| 21:10:50 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: oh, gotcha. I thought he was saying that he bought it > transfered music > installed rockbox > accidentally deleted his library (sometimes I read too much into things) |
| 21:10:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | He's trying to recover the music of the previous owner. |
| 21:11:16 | * | birdfish shames Deef |
| 21:11:29 | Nimdae | deef: it's possible to recover, but doing so may violate the dmca so i'll just leave it at that |
| 21:11:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | If you delete the music in Rockbox, it doesn't go to the recycle bin. If you delete it on your computer, it actually does show up in the recycle bin. |
| 21:11:38 | Deef | dmca? |
| 21:11:54 | Nimdae | digital media copyright act |
| 21:12:01 | Nimdae | i think |
| 21:12:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | millennium I believe. |
| 21:12:39 | Nimdae | something like that |
| 21:12:39 | Genre9mp3 | Digital Millennium Copyright Act and this is for the US |
| 21:12:47 | Nimdae | i live in the US ;) |
| 21:12:52 | Nimdae | so i'm buond by that law |
| 21:13:28 | amiconn | birdfish: Fetch the latest bleeding edge build |
| 21:13:31 | Nimdae | it's pretty easy to recover though |
| 21:13:35 | Deef | Uh huh |
| 21:13:50 | Deef | I bet |
| 21:14:06 | Genre9mp3 | Nimdae: Why you teasing the guy? :P |
| 21:14:21 | Nimdae | just pointing it out |
| 21:14:34 | Nimdae | the answer has really been pointed out already, just not directly ;) |
| 21:14:53 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: through my experience deleting files from dap's, the files usually display in the recycle bin until the dap is disconnected from the computer (in which case, the recycled files remain on the dap (in a recycle bin of it's own and will only be visible in the computer's recycle bin once the dap is connected again). However, yes, you can delete directly from the dap as well. |
| 21:14:59 | Genre9mp3 | you continue with the teasing |
| 21:15:24 | Nimdae | ok fine |
| 21:15:29 | Nimdae | enable viewing system/hidden files |
| 21:15:36 | Nimdae | go into the device, look for the "hidden" recycle bin |
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| 21:15:38 | Nimdae | should be there |
| 21:16:03 | Nimdae | it may be bound to the original computer that created it though |
| 21:16:11 | * | birdfish wonders if his latest compiled with patches version has the functionality of screen flipping or if he might have to give up the processor boosting functionality in return for the screen flipping functionality |
| 21:16:35 | Nimdae | i want screen flipping D: |
| 21:16:43 | Nimdae | /emo |
| 21:17:03 | * | Genre9mp3 now realised that Nimdae was itching to tell and not really try to tease Deef! :P |
| 21:17:28 | Nimdae | heh |
| 21:17:46 | Nimdae | see, this is why i use shift+delete ;) |
| 21:18:05 | Genre9mp3 | Shift+delete all the way! :) |
| 21:18:20 | birdfish | shift+delete is great until you accidentally select an important file |
| 21:18:23 | birdfish | ;) |
| 21:18:26 | amiconn | Nimdae: Even then it's fairly easy to undelete the files, unless something new was written to the disk |
| 21:18:40 | Nimdae | amiconn: i know, but that requires more advanced knowledge |
| 21:18:50 | Nimdae | but i've done data recovery like that |
| 21:18:53 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: this requires an extra utility though |
| 21:19:16 | Nimdae | birdfish: i'm a fan of backups of important data |
| 21:19:28 | Deef | Well I have all system/hidden files visible by default |
| 21:19:43 | Deef | And still finding nothing, so you haven't helped anyone brea any law |
| 21:19:52 | Nimdae | Deef: you should see a "hidden" recycle bin at the root of your drives if you do |
| 21:20:00 | Deef | yeah |
| 21:20:03 | Deef | its empty |
| 21:20:15 | Nimdae | it's probably bound to the computer that created it then |
| 21:20:24 | Deef | the playlist entries actually list them as in that directory |
| 21:20:30 | * | amiconn wonders what processor boosting functionality birdfish is talking about |
| 21:20:42 | Nimdae | you could probably connect it to linux and find the files |
| 21:20:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: Or in Rockbox |
| 21:20:56 | Nimdae | that too |
| 21:20:58 | amiconn | CPU boost is part of mainline rockbox on all swcodec targets |
| 21:21:25 | Deef | <Nimdae> it's pretty easy to recover though |
| 21:21:31 | Deef | D= |
| 21:21:42 | Deef | But yeah |
| 21:21:47 | Nimdae | well, i dunno what microsoft has changed to the recycle bin these days :P |
| 21:21:52 | Genre9mp3 | Deef, you said that you can play them in Winamp through a list? |
| 21:21:53 | Deef | By the looks of it Windows isn't going to help here |
| 21:21:54 | Nimdae | i'm more of a linux guy |
| 21:21:57 | Deef | Yeah |
| 21:22:00 | Deef | Winamp is playing them now |
| 21:22:18 | Nimdae | Deef: i know another way |
| 21:22:19 | Deef | From the recycle bin of the h340 |
| 21:22:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Deal with the fact that it's more difficult to steal the music than you though and either google up some help, or accept it. |
| 21:22:22 | Deef | the empty recycle bin |
| 21:23:33 | * | Deef nods |
| 21:23:35 | Nimdae | yeah, at least just dump them to be safe |
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| 21:23:46 | Deef | Heh |
| 21:23:51 | birdfish | amiconn: there is a new cpu boost patch out for rockbox right now. Not sure what it's exactly called though. But it speeds up the os on the x5 a bit |
| 21:24:04 | Deef | This channel tears itself between being legal or illegal |
| 21:24:25 | Nimdae | because the RIAA likes to toss around lawsuits |
| 21:24:35 | Deef | Uh huh |
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| 21:24:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: Actually, we at Rockbox do respect copyright very solidly |
| 21:24:42 | Nimdae | whether you're american or not |
| 21:24:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's not about lawsuits. |
| 21:24:45 | Genre9mp3 | btw.. everything is logged! :P |
| 21:25:01 | Nimdae | Paul_the_Nerd: true, i stopped pirating like 3 years ago |
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| 21:25:22 | Nimdae | all the music on my ipod is legal, heh |
| 21:25:27 | Nimdae | well |
| 21:25:30 | Nimdae | other than the drm being stripped |
| 21:25:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'll admit I've pirated from time to time, but it's usually a case of "I have to pay $90 to import a rare CD? Why can't they just press more of the thing, it's *plastic*" |
| 21:25:42 | Nimdae | but i paid for it |
| 21:25:55 | birdfish | All of my music is /questionably/ legal by russians |
| 21:26:01 | * | birdfish looks about |
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| 21:26:09 | Nimdae | i've dealt with the pain of importing in the past |
| 21:26:10 | birdfish | =) |
| 21:26:14 | Nimdae | i can understand why it's expensive |
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| 21:26:27 | Nimdae | i've had a cd blocked by customs in fact |
| 21:26:33 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Importing CDs overseas sucks big time |
| 21:26:45 | Nimdae | suspicion of pirated material |
| 21:27:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 21:27:10 | Nimdae | now that's irony there |
| 21:27:11 | birdfish | I can't. The media industry boosts the prices of media contents to a ridiculous amount. I don't mind paying for my stuff, but I'll only allow myself to pay a reasonable amount of money |
| 21:27:17 | * | birdfish likes the magnatune approach |
| 21:27:34 | Nimdae | well, a lot of people don't understand that you're not just paying for a piece of plastic |
| 21:27:51 | * | birdfish doesn |
| 21:27:57 | * | birdfish doesn't pay for plastic anymore |
| 21:28:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | I kinda wish that when music went from CD to Online they'd *increased* the quality instead of decreased it. |
| 21:28:19 | Nimdae | you're paying an artist for his work, you're paying for the equipment used to make the music/media, you're paying for the advertising, so on and so forth |
| 21:28:25 | birdfish | Thus, music over the net should't be as expensive as in store (sometimes even more expensive) |
| 21:28:40 | birdfish | Because the downloader is not only paying for the music, but the internet connection with which to download |
| 21:28:42 | Nimdae | i've found music i buy online is cheaper |
| 21:28:51 | birdfish | Now maybe the high prices if the internet connection was payed for by the music industry |
| 21:28:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: I personally would rather not pay for the advertising. Can I opt out from receiving it and pay a discount? |
| 21:28:59 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: And with all these DRM stuff you may one day loose what you "bought" |
| 21:29:13 | PaulJam | Slasheri: are you here? i was wondering if it would be possible to keep the runtime informations for files that were removed from the device and use them again if the files are again copied to the player. |
| 21:29:13 | Nimdae | Paul_the_Nerd: nope, the expenditure is passed down to the consumer |
| 21:29:18 | birdfish | nimdae: depends on your source of purchase |
| 21:29:31 | birdfish | nimdae: napster and like services are a rip |
| 21:29:38 | Nimdae | i don't use napster |
| 21:29:45 | Nimdae | believe it or not, i kinda like msn music |
| 21:29:52 | birdfish | nimdae: especially as they serve only 128 kbps quality |
| 21:29:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Oh, I only buy from DRM-free sources anyway.. |
| 21:30:13 | Nimdae | msn music uses 256k wma |
| 21:30:20 | birdfish | nimdae: never check out msn. But I have a problem with certain music services and not being able to find the music I want |
| 21:30:23 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: I'm talking about the majority of on-line stores |
| 21:30:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: for example Mindawn is nice if you're willing to explore some artists you may not have heard before. Ogg/Vorbis and Ogg/Flac music. |
| 21:30:41 | * | birdfish wonders where Paul_the_Nerd purchases from |
| 21:30:58 | birdfish | flac is leet but big |
| 21:31:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: Five seconds late with your query. :-P |
| 21:31:13 | birdfish | Yeah ;) =P |
| 21:31:42 | Nimdae | i just use wmp to burn the msn music to cd audio, then rip it, heh |
| 21:31:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: Yes, but for 8.99 US you can buy an album in FLAC, and safely transcode it to any bitrate/format you want for any player without worrying about extra artifacts. |
| 21:31:45 | birdfish | I wonder if the RIAA will actually stop allofmp3 this time |
| 21:32:02 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: very true |
| 21:32:07 | Nimdae | anyway, work beckons me |
| 21:32:16 | birdfish | lates dude. nice chatting with you :) |
| 21:32:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | I like FLAC more as an archiving format than a playback format. |
| 21:32:31 | birdfish | no doubt |
| 21:32:45 | Genre9mp3 | In some years from now lossy formats will be pointless |
| 21:32:50 | birdfish | I used to play flac through my x5, but along with the space aspect, it took too much processing power to decode |
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| 21:33:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: FLAC takes less power in Rockbox, but still more battery life just because the disk has to spin up more often |
| 21:34:07 | Genre9mp3 | How much RAM does the X5 has? |
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| 21:34:43 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: are you sure about that? I thought it required more battery life mainly because it took so much power to decode higher levels of compression? |
| 21:34:55 | birdfish | Genre9mp3: not sure. Never looked into it |
| 21:35:04 | Slasheri | PaulJam: currently that's not possibe but i have plans to add more advanced changelog support to keep all old data and also detect if files has been moved/renamed |
| 21:35:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: 16mb, |
| 21:35:10 | Genre9mp3 | I think (not sure) it has 16MB |
| 21:35:14 | Genre9mp3 | ah.. |
| 21:35:18 | * | birdfish would love a dap with a gig of mem. That would be nice |
| 21:35:26 | Genre9mp3 | that's explains it... it will keep the hd very busy |
| 21:35:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: On Rockbox, on the coldfire targets FLAC can be decoded without even boosting the CPU up from the slower speed it's at when not during playback. |
| 21:35:39 | birdfish | Perhaps once I graduate with my engineering degree I'll hack up a dap with more mem |
| 21:35:43 | amiconn | 16MB is okay even with lossless format |
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| 21:36:00 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: On archos the hd spins up often when playing wav... |
| 21:36:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Compared to the about 1.5mb of Buffer you end up with on Archoses. ;) |
| 21:36:17 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: wow :) I'll have to keep that in mind next time i'm torn between spending the extra for flac then :D |
| 21:36:47 | Genre9mp3 | the more RAM the better though |
| 21:36:54 | amiconn | Not necessarily |
| 21:37:02 | amiconn | More ram also consumes more power |
| 21:37:03 | PaulJam | Slasheri: good. |
| 21:37:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: I use FLAC for some of my albums on my H120, without any real problem. |
| 21:37:16 | amiconn | So the manufacturers need to balance |
| 21:37:17 | Genre9mp3 | as much as double hdd spins? |
| 21:37:49 | amiconn | Perhaps not, but from a certain amount of ram, more ram doesn't lead to fewer spinups |
| 21:38:00 | amiconn | ...due to user behaviour |
| 21:38:10 | Genre9mp3 | sure... |
| 21:38:18 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: really, flac should only be required for classical and may electronica (I think). Pop/Rap/Rock have so much static and beats in them that the extra quality wouldn't be very discernible |
| 21:38:20 | * | amiconn wonders why the Nano G2 has 256MB RAM |
| 21:38:25 | Genre9mp3 | but it's good to have more when using lossless |
| 21:38:28 | preglow | amiconn: depends on the codec, really |
| 21:38:31 | amiconn | On the Nano there are no spinups, so it's a waste |
| 21:38:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: WHAT?! |
| 21:38:37 | preglow | amiconn: 256 mb ram??????? |
| 21:38:50 | * | Paul_the_Nerd was wondering why the G1 had the whole 32. |
| 21:38:52 | preglow | amiconn: sure you're not confusing that with the 256kb sram? |
| 21:38:52 | birdfish | amiconn: that's because the nano is flash... |
| 21:38:54 | amiconn | Was mentioned here a while ago... |
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| 21:39:08 | birdfish | amiconn: it's basically just a bit bit of memory |
| 21:39:12 | amiconn | (while == weeks) |
| 21:39:15 | birdfish | bit = big |
| 21:39:15 | Genre9mp3 | birdfish: the opposite actually |
| 21:39:22 | Lear | or 256 mbit... |
| 21:39:31 | birdfish | Genre9mp3: how so? |
| 21:39:56 | Genre9mp3 | birdfish: since it's flash it doesn't need much RAM |
| 21:39:57 | birdfish | Genre9mp3: it's not access in the same way. But there are no moving parts. |
| 21:40:05 | amiconn | Other swcodec (!) flash players have even less memory than the old archoses - thinking of the iFP7xx ... |
| 21:40:07 | birdfish | Genre9mp3: that's what I just said |
| 21:40:17 | Genre9mp3 | ah... sorry misunderstood then |
| 21:41:04 | * | linuxstb_ thought the 2nd gen Nano had 256 Mbit of RAM... |
| 21:41:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | MBit would make more sence |
| 21:41:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | sense |
| 21:41:27 | * | Lear too |
| 21:41:28 | Genre9mp3 | I believe that 32MB are reasonable for mp3 and generally lossy formats while 64MB would be neat for lossless playback |
| 21:41:48 | Genre9mp3 | I think that X5's 16MB is a bit small |
| 21:42:07 | * | linuxstb_ blames the IPL wiki for the misinformation... |
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| 21:42:53 | birdfish | Genre9mp3: I would agree. The X5 even feels sluggish sometimes. ESPECIALLY when higher quality formats are being accessed |
| 21:43:17 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with the amount of ram |
| 21:44:27 | Genre9mp3 | A typical 4min flac file is about 25MB |
| 21:45:11 | birdfish | amiconn: everything has to be loaded into ram. Therefore, is the track is currently being accessed, one will certain see a delay as the information from the track database is loaded into the ram |
| 21:45:22 | linuxstb_ | This is the (32MB, 256Mbit) SDRAM inside the 2nd gen nano: http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSDRAM/MobileSDRSDRAM/256Mbit/K4M56163PG/K4M56163PG.htm |
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| 21:46:32 | amiconn | birdfish: Yes, but that doesn't have to do with the amount of ram available |
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| 21:46:46 | yipe | hey everybody ت |
| 21:46:52 | amiconn | Fewer ram just means more frequent (but shorter) rebuffering during playback |
| 21:47:02 | amiconn | s/Fewer/Less/ |
| 21:47:30 | birdfish | amiconn: how so. If more ram is available, more information can be accessed at once (correct?) |
| 21:49:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: RAM is used almost entirely as audio buffer in Rockbox. What information are you referring to? |
| 21:49:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes, so the ipodlinux wiki is misleading... |
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| 21:51:38 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: perhaps I'm not thinking about the issue correctly. I was just considering that if information from the music database needed to be accessed, it would be loaded into ram. And if there was more ram, the information from the database could possible stay loaded into ram and be accessed much faster than needed to be wait until it finds a chance to enter the memory buffer before being accessed. |
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| 21:52:05 | salival | Hi, where can I find the LCD wait states? (they used to be in system.c) |
| 21:52:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: You mean the TagCache Load to RAM option? That just lumps the whole thing in RAM, it's not *that* big. |
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| 21:53:22 | salival | I need these to resolve the glitchy screen error on my h300 |
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| 21:54:09 | Genre9mp3 | Anyway.. as amiconn stated it really depends on the user habits... if someones skips tracks frequently it's better to have small RAM while if someone prefers to listen to whole albums, a bigger RAM would be better for battery life |
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| 21:55:07 | birdfish | Hm... So now I'm wondering why (even with tag caching enabled) browsing the music database is sluggish while playing high quality files? |
| 21:55:25 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The misinformation probably came from this arstechnica article: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ipod-2g.ars/4 - it actually discusses the 8-fold memory increase, whilst linking to that Samsung webpage... |
| 21:55:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: Because the CPU is busy, and only has so much time to share between Decoding and Drawing the menus? |
| 21:55:42 | Genre9mp3 | birdfish: maybe you mean dircache? |
| 21:56:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | If decoding wants 80% of the pie, and the menuing system wants 30%, you're gonna hafta compromise. :-P |
| 21:56:20 | birdfish | Paul_the_Nerd: good point |
| 21:56:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, found that as well. |
| 21:56:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Not that those numbers are in any way accurate |
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| 21:57:59 | amiconn | There are multiple mistakes in that ars technica article.... |
| 21:58:11 | amiconn | ...and the Nano 1st gen and 2nd gen use the exact same RAM chip |
| 21:59:19 | birdfish | Being a playlist oriented firmware, does rockbox perform better when playing tracks through a playlist rather than the menuing system? |
| 21:59:24 | amiconn | Flash eprom size is stated wrong too (also in ipl wiki) |
| 21:59:29 | * | birdfish notes the cutdown on needed to search through the menu |
| 21:59:34 | amiconn | It's 8Mbit, not 8MB |
| 21:59:45 | birdfish | But I'm wondering if it accesses the music any faster through a playlist? |
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| 22:01:39 | birdfish | Hold those thoughts while I reboot really quick |
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| 22:05:23 | birdfish | Okay, back to the question if you guys don't mind :) |
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| 22:05:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: I don't even know what you think you're asking... access the music any faster? |
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| 22:09:30 | birdfish | Basically, are there any benefits to using playlists (for example a certain authors cd) rather than browsing through the database an selecting play on that cd and just letting it cycle down the list contained inside the folder? |
| 22:09:36 | * | birdfish hopes that made sense |
| 22:09:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | birdfish: No. |
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| 22:10:27 | birdfish | I wasn't sure if having playlist loaded allows rockbox to know the location of the file ahead of time so it was ready to begin playing upon completion of the previous song (faster than persay without the playlist). That was all I was really asking. |
| 22:10:33 | birdfish | Thanks though :) |
| 22:10:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox buffers several songs at once. |
| 22:11:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Remember it's gapless... there is no space between the end of one set of audio data and the beginning of the next (from a 'what you hear' perspective) other than artificial spaces insert by encoders or format restrictions |
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| 22:17:52 | markun | Nimdae: well, the Zune can't be exactly like the Gigabeat S because that one has no wifi for example. |
| 22:19:08 | birdfish | nimdae went off to work |
| 22:19:22 | birdfish | if rockbox chooses to go that direction, wifi will be awesome |
| 22:19:34 | birdfish | It could be used for so many useful tasks |
| 22:19:51 | petur | sure, as if writing a wifi driver is *that* easy... |
| 22:20:04 | markun | let's get a usb stack first.. |
| 22:20:14 | petur | touché |
| 22:20:17 | markun | :) |
| 22:20:37 | birdfish | petur: I never said it would be "that" easy. no need to get jerky ;) I just said it would be really cool. |
| 22:20:49 | markun | any more luck with the philips code? |
| 22:20:58 | Bagder | http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/ :-) |
| 22:21:11 | petur | oh |
| 22:21:16 | markun | yes, nice ip stack |
| 22:21:20 | birdfish | Anyhow, by the time anyone gets around to porting rockbox to the zune, I will probably be in my graduate courses (so I might be the one developing the driver) ;) |
| 22:21:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | My requirements of any DAP silly enough to have Wifi: Support for web radio. That's it. |
| 22:22:09 | birdfish | It'd be nice to be able to download some tracks on the go from various web services |
| 22:22:19 | birdfish | browsing the web would be a waste of time on a dap |
| 22:22:20 | markun | if it has a microphone as well I think voip would be nice |
| 22:23:12 | petur | markun: usb initializes almost completely, just the otg driver complaining interrupts are not coming through - must check why it's not getting them. Must wait an hour before looking at it, too many grimbergen blond for now :) |
| 22:23:14 | birdfish | However, I wouldn't expect the interfaces for the music services to be of great quality. more of a searchbox for basic querying if you happen to know the name of a track |
| 22:23:22 | * | birdfish will be back later. time to work |
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| 22:48:52 | Swiller | Help |
| 22:49:19 | Swiller | !Help |
| 22:49:29 | Swiller | !files |
| 22:49:33 | preglow | out |
| 22:49:46 | preglow | unless you actually happen to be looking for rockbox help, that is |
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| 22:50:01 | Swiller | can someone tell me how to use a patch? |
| 22:50:07 | Swiller | I am |
| 22:50:08 | preglow | by using the patch command |
| 22:50:16 | Swiller | lol |
| 22:50:17 | Bagder | Swiller: which wiki page isn't good enough? |
| 22:50:18 | preglow | writing "!files" seems to be a weird way to look for help |
| 22:50:37 | Swiller | I thought maybe the latest builds were on here |
| 22:50:54 | Swiller | I just conveted my ipod color over to Rockbox last night |
| 22:51:11 | Swiller | and it locks up about every 5-10 min |
| 22:51:31 | Swiller | I looked thru the wiki and didnt see anything about patches |
| 22:51:42 | pagefault | thats not good |
| 22:51:54 | pagefault | are you using the SVN snapshot or the release |
| 22:52:14 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 22:52:14 | pagefault | well actually I mean hmm |
| 22:52:15 | Swiller | I downloaded it from the release page |
| 22:52:38 | Swiller | but it was in the daily build box |
| 22:52:48 | Swiller | oh sorry |
| 22:53:03 | hcs | Swiller: I have a patch which might be helpful, mikeage is building it regularly, check out http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/index.php , the http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/rockbox-20061031-color-cpufreq3.zip might be helpful |
| 22:53:10 | lowlight | amiconn: as I mentioned earlier...on first glance I see no reason why wps_state.current_track_path[] is needed |
| 22:53:16 | lowlight | amiconn: because you can get the current path from wps_state.id3->path |
| 22:53:32 | lowlight | amiconn: save another 256 bytes :) |
| 22:53:33 | Swiller | that is the one I downloaded but I wasnt sure how to apply it |
| 22:53:54 | hcs | Swiller: that link is already built |
| 22:54:11 | hcs | just unzip it onto your ipod |
| 22:54:14 | Swiller | <−−- Not a programmer |
| 22:54:23 | Swiller | I just want FLAC on my IPOD |
| 22:54:25 | Swiller | :) |
| 22:54:43 | Swiller | when you say built what do you mean |
| 22:54:52 | preglow | cpufreq scaling on ipod color isn't stable? |
| 22:54:56 | Swiller | ok |
| 22:55:03 | Swiller | in the root |
| 22:55:06 | Swiller | ? |
| 22:55:16 | hcs | preglow: hasn't been as long as I've been using rockbox |
| 22:55:33 | hcs | Swiller: yes, just as when you first installed the daily build |
| 22:55:55 | Swiller | OK thanks |
| 22:57:44 | preglow | hcs: what's the problem with it then? |
| 22:58:21 | hcs | preglow: I don't know, but when frequency scaling is enabled it tends to freeze, see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5264 |
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| 23:00:08 | preglow | hrm |
| 23:00:20 | preglow | i should see if it has some impact on my nano as well, som eday |
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| 23:03:58 | hcs | is it unstable on the nano? |
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