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#rockbox log for 2006-11-01

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00:12:01preglowhcs: don't think so, no, but it does hang from time to time
00:12:06preglowthen again, so does rockbox on my h120
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00:13:45Paul_the_NerdI haven't had a hang in a very long while, except with the NFS codec.
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00:15:11peturhas been pretty stable here for some time -excep for crashes in my own code ;)
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00:27:28*birdfish just downloaded the latest daily for his x5
00:27:41birdfishBut where is the option to change the direction of the screen display
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00:28:04PaulJamtry a cvs build
00:28:17Paul_the_NerdHm... is there something strange I might have to do to install make 3.81? I had kinda assumed it was just a ./configure, make, make install sorta dealy.
00:28:46Paul_the_NerdSpecifically in regards to the debian vmware image, that is.
00:28:53birdfishPaulJam: okay, but once I install the latest cvs, do you know where I would find the option to change the screen from displaying vertically to horizontally?
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00:29:39Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: A rotate is different from a flip
00:29:45PaulJampropably general settings => display => lcd settings (or similar)
00:30:54birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: tell me it does the rotate function please =)
00:31:01birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: flipping seems pointless
00:31:25preglowit doesn't rotate
00:31:31preglowrotate would need far more code than a flip
00:31:32Paul_the_Nerdflipping is something the LCD itself can do at no real cost, so you can just ask it the right way.
00:31:48Paul_the_NerdIf I understand alright
00:31:56*birdfish wonders what benefit a flip would provide for the x5?
00:32:18preglowthe same as for all other targets?
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00:33:09birdfishpreglow: excellently troll responce =)
00:33:28*birdfish supposes it's just a function to show off the ability that it can be done...
00:33:43Paul_the_NerdSome people prefer their controls above the screen.
00:33:44*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs
00:33:45scorcheit is handy when it is in, say, your pocket
00:34:02scorcheand you dont haVE TO TAKE THE DEVICE OUT AND TURN IT AROUND
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00:34:30*Paul_the_Nerd wonders if there's a flip for the H100 LCD remote.
00:34:56scorchemahnA MAHNA
00:36:08*petur gives up programming after drinking beer
00:36:09Genre9mp3too too toorooroo!
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00:36:43scorchei think of it more as doo doooooo doo doo doo
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00:37:28*preglow lovingly drinks his doppelbock
00:38:14preglowbirdfish: yes, i'd be the great troll in here
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00:46:46birdfishpreglow: Just drop it dude. I realize you're a regular here. But I didn't ask for a response from someone wanting to act like a jerk. If you didn't want to help out, you should have just kept quiet.
00:48:03preglowbirdfish: i didn't want to act like a jerk, i just think it's pretty obvious
00:48:22birdfishIf it was obvious to me I wouldn't have asked ;)
00:48:38birdfishI don't carry my player in my pocket too often
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00:49:58preglowalso, you asked the question as if the x5 might somehow have less use for the feature than other targets
00:50:02preglowbut anyway, let's forget this
00:50:23birdfishgreat idea =)
00:50:24Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: Actually, the Unsupported Builds section is only for announcing new builds. That thread really doesn't belong *anywhere*
00:50:37JdGordonoh.. ok
00:50:49JdGordonsorry :p
00:50:56roolkubefore a fight breaks out: if it is anything like on the h120, the option General/Display/LCD Setting/Upside down does not flip (i.e. mirror) the display but rotates it 180 degrees
00:51:07Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: No worries. I was gonna delete the thread anyway, but figured I'd wait a little bit and see if someone might throw the guy a bone.
00:51:17Paul_the_NerdI really don't like the idea of people requesting unsupported builds anyway.
00:52:04birdfishroolku: no fight is about to break out. everything has been resolved. but I think a flip is a 180 degree rotation
00:52:11roolkuI do however not know if the comitted feature "X5 can flip the display." is something completely different
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00:53:33birdfishIt's cool dude. I was mainly interested in the patch in the first place, because I had hoped that it would rotate 90 degrees so as to display (possibly) more information on the screen at once
00:53:39roolkuthen I don't understand preglow: "<preglow> rotate would need far more code than a flip"
00:53:44birdfishHowever "little" more information that would have been
00:53:44*Paul_the_Nerd thinks it's really two flips, one across the X axis, and one across the Y.
00:53:54preglowroolku: i meant a something other than 180 degree rotation
00:54:03preglowroolku: like a 90 degree rotation, for example
00:54:12preglowthe number of lines on the display would change, as would the length of the lines
00:54:15JdGordonwhy do we need a y axis flip?
00:54:25scorchepreglow: a 360 degree rotation would surely be difficult to code though...
00:54:28preglowJdGordon: if you want to hold the unit sideways? *shrug*
00:54:31birdfishwow, okay didn't mean to start this big debate over basic mathematics =P
00:54:37preglowi don't really know that part of the code well enough to tell you if it would be hard, though
00:54:39Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: Because an X axis flip alone would leave everything reading right-to-left
00:54:43JdGordonpreglow: isnt that 90/270 degree flip...
00:54:45amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: Yes, display flip mirros both X and Y
00:54:46birdfishEverythings cool now guys. I understand what's going on :)
00:55:04amiconnIf it would flip only one of them, you would see a mirror image
00:55:26preglowlostlogic: awake? :>
00:55:45amiconnIt's a feature that might only be used by a few people, but then it comes at (almost) no cost
00:56:04preglowi think supporting hardware features generally is a good thing
00:56:32*roolku is not quite sure anymore ;)
00:56:34amiconnThe display controller does all the work, it's just a little extra code that allows to set this mode of operation
00:56:57amiconnOnly on the ipod mini there's some extra processing necessary for doing the flip
00:57:04roolkuokay the option upside down flips (i.e. mirrors) twice
00:58:50amiconn(because the display width is not an integer multiple of one pixel block, the pixels need to be shifted when flipping. But since the arm cpu seems to _love_ shifting, the extra cost isn't even measurable. Frame rates are identical for flipped vs. non-flipped.)
00:59:17preglowamiconn: the shift doesn't even cost anything if the shift amount is constant
00:59:28preglowcosts one cycle if it's in a register, iirc
01:01:22lostlogicpreglow: ?
01:01:25amiconnIt is constant. The decision whether to shift or not is done outside the loop (2 different loops)
01:02:14preglowlostlogic: yo, would you have any idea how it'd be possible to make the playback engine miscalculate buffer sizes or something when using the resampler? it seems to be doing so, and that's the cause of the clicks when upsampling
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01:03:44lostlogicpreglow: codec_pcmbuf_insert_split_callback is your friend, but I don't see how it would matter to it whether it's up, down, or sideways sampling
01:04:20*amiconn imagines sideways sampling
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01:04:55lostlogicpreglow: the code is pretty tightly checked so that even if the dsp misguesses, it just does a second batch of samples
01:05:06preglowlostlogic: it really shouldn't, i'm thinking more the fault is in dsp_input_size and dsp_output_size
01:05:26lostlogicpreglow: that would be my guess −− and of the two, I'd guess dsp_input_size
01:05:29preglowi already know of one small bug in dsp_input_size
01:05:32preglowbut it doesn't fix it
01:05:38lostlogica fault in dsp_output_size shouldnt' cause a splat
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01:07:52preglowbut if the bug is in those, it's weird that only upsample() should cause a glitch...
01:08:14lostlogicpreglow: what if the bug is in the return value from dsp_process?
01:08:22lostlogicthat would also cause potential stupidity
01:08:41lostlogicbecause the pcmbuf would think X was written when Y was actually written
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01:14:11preglowlostlogic: would it now
01:14:22preglowi'll have a look at it tomorrow, if time permits
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01:16:37nuthin4nuthinAnyone running FLAC's on an ipod color?
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01:21:48scorchedont was nuthin
01:21:52amiconn...and ask strange question...
01:22:54amiconnI just realised it might be possible to use dma for the h300 lcd update...
01:23:26amiconn...with auto-align...
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01:57:28lostlogicamiconn: that'd be hawt, wish I still had one ;)
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02:07:38goffawhoa what?
02:07:45amiconnI get 115fps at 45MHz with DMA - but it seems that exceeds the controller specs
02:07:45*Genre9mp3 fells of his chair
02:08:08amiconnThe display contents gets garbled
02:08:18goffahe he he.. ok
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02:09:00preglowwhat do you usually get at 45mhz?
02:09:16Genre9mp3what does this practically means?
02:09:49amiconnIt seems I have to increase the # of waitstates
02:10:12Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: It means less time has to be wasted updating the LCD.
02:10:12amiconnGenre9mp3: That means we can update the H300 lcd without using much cpu power
02:10:47Genre9mp3really good news then! :D
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02:11:56amiconnWith sufficient waitstates, it probably won't update faster than with current cvs, but the cpu could do some work in the background (e.g. decode audio) while the dma controller is pumping the data into the lcd controller
02:13:34linuxstbSounds like it would help mpegplayer.
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02:14:07amiconnUnfortunately not
02:14:15lostlogicamiconn: no need for faster frame rates, the point of faster peak frame rates is just to free upt eh CPU for other stuff any way
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02:14:58amiconnlinuxstb: DMA is only possible if the data doesn't have to be converted, i.e. it won't work for lcd_yuv_blit()
02:15:25*linuxstb forgot we blit the data...
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02:22:25amiconnWith in-specs waitstates, I get 100fps at 45 MHz and 133fps at 124MHz
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02:24:09amiconnAll this is for full-screen only atm, and without yielding
02:24:46*amiconn first wanted to see the potential speedup with using dma
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02:59:42preglowamiconn: can this be done for h1x0 as well?
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04:27:56robertjmDoes anyone know if the forums are down? I'm having problems connecting to them. All the webpage displays is DNS ERROR, literally the words.
04:29:39goffai can get in there
04:30:18robertjmJust tried it again and its working. Must've just been a quicky outage.
04:30:24robertjmThanks for checking.
04:31:04goffano prob
04:31:11robertjmWas trying to modify the menu options that are displayed by ID3 tags. What file are those settings installed in?
04:31:30goffai'm not the right guy to ask on that
04:36:27robertjmFound my answer in the forums. Apparently I'd have to download the source and much around with recompiling it, which isn't what I planned on spending my time on tonight. Oh well.
04:38:04Paul_the_Nerdrobertjm: You don't need to recompile to modify the custom tagnavi file
04:38:17Paul_the_NerdI *think* it's named tagnavi_custom.config now, but I really don't know for sure what it was renamed to
04:40:12robertjmAh, perhaps there was a change since the thread I was reading, which was from April, or so.
04:41:19robertjmThere's a file called tagnavi.config, which is see the menus in.
04:41:28Paul_the_NerdAnd it should say to include a custom file
04:41:35Paul_the_NerdWhich is the one you should create and modify.
04:42:26robertjmUp towards the top of the file: "Instead, you can modify "/.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config" which will never"
04:42:53Paul_the_NerdThat's the file you should modify then
04:43:01Paul_the_NerdBecause tagnavi.config gets overwritten when you update builds
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04:43:14robertjmSince I don't have one in the folder, can I clone the tagnavi.config and modify as necessary?
04:43:39Paul_the_NerdYeah, you may need to make a few other changes, but should work well enough
04:43:58robertjmCool! I'm assuming all the setting into can be found in the manual/docs?
04:44:15Paul_the_NerdNot really
04:44:30Paul_the_NerdThe format isn't finalized, so it's not really well documented
04:44:39robertjmAre there any docs for the mackup of that file?
04:44:56Paul_the_NerdThat's the best one, I believe
04:45:51robertjmThat's what I was looking for. Should make for some light reading. :-)
04:45:57Paul_the_NerdBest of luck with it.
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04:46:01Paul_the_NerdIt's a pretty powerful tool, in the end
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04:48:29robertjmThat's the beauty of it all. Configurability. And if you muck something up you can always simply reinstall (generally) without permanently messing something up.
04:49:28robertjmNight all.
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05:14:50rbloveyowhy do I keep getting these "reject" cord is longer than the other.
05:15:10joecoolbuy good headphones ffs
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05:16:07rbloveyoI mean with the crappy included earphones you get from daps...but this has happened more than once
05:16:43rbloveyodoesn't make sense that one cord is longer than the other unless your head is lopsided
05:16:50aliaskyou mean around the neck ones?
05:17:09rbloveyono these are normal earphones but one cord is longer than the other
05:17:24rbloveyoneck you say
05:17:30aliaskThe longer cord is supposed to go around the back of your neck.
05:17:53aliaskI feel that the earphones that are equal length are crappy and cheap.
05:17:59rbloveyothey should say that on them!
05:18:24rbloveyohow do they know if you have a big or a small head though
05:18:25Paul_the_NerdI'm rather indifferent between Y-cord and J-cord 'phones
05:18:46aliaskrbloveyo: How much difference can there be...
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05:19:21rbloveyoor say there's a girl with a lotta hair or something
05:19:45aliaskWell, does it reach for you?
05:20:01rbloveyohaven't tried "wearing" them the correct way lol
05:20:12Paul_the_NerdI have long hair, and I just run the cord beneath it. But it is fairly long in most cases.
05:20:32rbloveyofeels odd
05:20:39rbloveyoI don't like this new style
05:20:45aliaskWith the "J-cord" ones you can take out your headphones and they don't fall on the ground.
05:21:32rbloveyoas opposed to regular earphones/headphones?
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05:21:59aliaskWell, they just rest on your shoulders/chest rather than having to pick them up and put them in your pocket or whatever.
05:23:59rbloveyoI guess I'm old fashioned then...I like having to pick them up
05:24:13rbloveyoearphones resting on your shoulders...unheard of!
05:24:22aliaskHeh... :)
05:24:37aliaskWell, at least you know how they're supposed to be used now
05:24:57rbloveyolol, I really thought these were like factory rejects
05:28:56Paul_the_NerdSomeone thought it was a better way to do things
05:29:05Paul_the_NerdThe jury, overall, is still out, as many stand by the Y-Cord style
05:33:13joecooli won't even bother damaging my ears with the shit headphones they package
05:33:32joecoolwent from a pair of Shure E3c's to Shure E4's, won't be ever going back to buds again
05:33:52Paul_the_NerdSome iRiver players have come with Sennheiser MX400s, which really aren't bad for buds.
05:34:15Paul_the_NerdAnd I got a free pair of PX100s with a player from them once, though it was a promotion.
05:34:30joecoolbuds are junk from design, you can only get good sound with full cans or canalphones
05:34:58Paul_the_NerdA lot of that depends on the volumes you listen at.
05:35:20joecoolnot really, you lose a great deal of sound because buds don't seal
05:35:34Teknomanceri like my Senn Mx400's actually
05:35:40joecoolso if you go ANYWHERE there is sound, you are going to compensate by cranking the volume and going deaf :P
05:35:53Teknomancerbut i havent been able to get a better Shure's here ....
05:36:18Paul_the_Nerdjoecool: As I said, it depends on the volume you listen at.
05:36:34Paul_the_NerdYou're talking about going somewhere with lots of sound, not an ideal listening environment no matter what.
05:36:35rbloveyowhat about those shure e2c/e3c/eXcs....heard those are pretty good (& damn expenseive for earbuds, but they're like isolating)
05:36:42Teknomancersealing outside noise can be dangerous at times too :)
05:36:55Teknomancerwhile driving for instance, u'd want to hear the outside as well ...
05:36:58joecoolrbloveyo: i've owned a pair of E3c's and currently own a pair of E4's
05:37:01joecoolfucking awesome
05:37:18rbloveyobetter than fullsize headphones?
05:37:50joecooldepends on what you're comparing it to, but for the most part.. better then most fullsize you see in stores
05:38:23joecoolplus they are small, don't fall out easy, and are comfortable enough to sleep in (and stay in)
05:38:26Paul_the_NerdYeah, but you can pretty much always get better fullsize for the same price canalphones if you shop around.
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05:39:21joecooli know that there are a few great fullsize cans under $100, but for E4 and up, price gets exponential comparing to fullsize cans and canalphones are the best bang for your buc
05:39:38joecoolalso, many high end fullsize cans require an amp
05:39:45joecoolcanalphones do not
05:40:44joecooli prefer Shures because of build quality and fit, the E4's are probably the most balanced single driver canalphone on the market
05:40:59joecooldual-driver and triple-driver cans cost way more, but have way better sound
05:41:01Paul_the_NerdHow many of them have yo utried?
05:41:14Tempisguh, I installed a new hd in my archos last night and it all worked, now I can't get it to turn on
05:41:22joecooli've tried the E5's before, not gotten my hands on the E500's yet though
05:41:28joecoolthe E5's have DAMN strong bass
05:41:37Paul_the_NerdTempis: What's it doing?
05:41:57TempisI hit the on button the green light comes on for a second then goes off again
05:42:03joecooli've not tested Etymotic or Ultimate Ears cans, they are good as well, but the build quality is kinda sucky on the Etys
05:42:08joecoolWestones are supposed to be nice too
05:42:58joecoolUE is probably the closest competitor to Shure... they had the UE-10 cans at $900
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05:43:07Paul_the_NerdTempis: And how sure are you the batteries are good?
05:43:14joecoolbut the E500's from Shure are only $500
05:43:16Tempisthey are brand new
05:43:17joecooland i'm done talking..
05:43:46joecoolbtw, if you are interested in Shure, look at earphonesolutions and i think the other one is headspace or something
05:43:48Tempishmm, if I hold the on button down I get a HD error
05:43:55joecoolthey both have WAY lower prices then retail
05:43:55Tempisit was working last night
05:44:11joecoolE4's retail at $299, got em there at $188 :P
05:44:25rbloveyo"...are _only_ $500", emphasis added
05:44:29scorcheTempis: it sounds like the problem that plagues those devices
05:44:42Tempiswhich is what problem?
05:45:07joecoolrbloveyo: i'd say to go for the E3's or E4's if you have the money ($120 and $188 respectively if you go one of those two places)
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05:45:21Tempisthat sounds like just what's happening
05:45:31Tempisugg, soldering
05:45:55scorcheit is quite easy
05:47:36TempisI guess I need to buy a soldering iron
05:47:52scorcheyou dont have any friends that have one?
05:48:16scorchewhere do you live?
05:48:41Tempisabout an hour southeast of New Orleans
05:49:23Tempishmm, where's my little screwdriver
05:49:45*joecool bought 10 pairs of Comply foams for the E4's... should come in tommorow
05:49:48joecoolexpensive suckers
05:50:07joecoolbut i hear good things and its saving me from buying more expensive pairs :)
05:51:56Paul_the_NerdTempis: If you haven't done it by next time I'm in Baton Rouge, I'll do it for you. It'll only be like, six months. :-P
05:53:38Tempiswhat would you be doing in BR?
05:54:43scorcheTempis: well, if you want, you can mail it to me and i can do it as well
05:55:02scorchemight be cheaper than buying an iron (although they can be fun)
05:55:19Paul_the_NerdTempis: I have family there.
05:55:20TempisI'll probably try it myself
05:55:24Paul_the_NerdI was actually born in NO.
05:55:47Tempismy sister lives in BR and I have a bunch of friends there as well
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05:57:37Tempisyou know, I was looking at that solder point last night and thought it looked funny
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05:59:12*Paul_the_Nerd needs to take his apart.
05:59:17Paul_the_NerdIt gets truly horrid battery life.
06:05:11*scorche is hungry
06:05:16*scorche is thinking of going out just to get some free candy
06:05:27JdGordonmmmm... candy
06:05:29Paul_the_NerdI didn't get a single kid knock at my door.
06:05:34Paul_the_NerdBut then, I think there's only one in the complex
06:05:48scorchei hear tons of kids outside
06:06:01scorchebut no knocks...then again, i dont have my lights on
06:06:07JdGordonscare em off with the chainsaw.. :D
06:06:57*goffa had about 30 kids.. it was fairly cold this year though
06:07:21goffaabout 20 degrees with a good wind on top of that
06:07:22JdGordonwe dont have such pagon festivals here..
06:07:47scorcheif you are going to make the joke, at least spell pagan right ;)
06:08:01JdGordonbah, i know i cant spell...
06:08:14JdGordonas long as u know what i mean
06:08:37goffathe people at work are going to be happy.. got about 40 candy bars i'm bringing into work
06:11:21rbloveyoI got free donuts from dunkin donuts....even though I'm 22
06:11:48goffai didn't go out
06:12:03rbloveyome neither, I was just grabbing coffee
06:12:17rbloveyobut thought it wouldn't hurt to bring up free donuts for halloween
06:12:30goffaaparently it didn't :)
06:15:06rbloveyohope I don't get egged....or I care more about my car getting egged than me
06:16:09goffayeah.. i was giving out whole candy bars.. so i'm thinking that's good no-egg insurance
06:16:29scorchegah....any more of this talk and i really will go out and get some free candy
06:16:34scorchethrow a sheet over me
06:17:24rbloveyois candy a synonym for something else?
06:17:27goffawhat's holdin you back?
06:17:57scorchelaziness probably
06:18:10aliaskman, we are totally deprived in australia
06:18:27aliaski want free candy :(
06:18:41goffayou don't have sanctioned pan-handling night?
06:18:52aliaskpan.. handling?
06:19:11goffabeing a smart ass.. trick-or-treating
06:19:23aliaskoh, that's saturday.
06:22:16goffait'd be cool to have a plugin on the player to encode flac to ogg
06:22:47goffathen i could just drag and drop tunes onto the player and encode on the go
06:23:10aliaskIt'd be slow, especially ogg.
06:23:17goffayeah.. i'm sure it would
06:23:21scorcheah yes...i can see it now
06:23:27scorche*an hour later*
06:23:32scorcheout of battery?
06:24:01aliaskBut transcoding isn't SUCH a bad idea - we have realtime mp3 encoding, and highly efficient decoders, it probably wouldn't be THAT hard to string them together.
06:25:39goffabasically i just want to go to bed now... but i'm waiting for a couple of albums :)
06:25:56goffathat's where the idea came from
06:26:04daurn|laptophi aliask
06:26:38aliaskNot much. Spent the day at the library, so I'm bored stupid.
06:26:48*Paul_the_Nerd has already put in a feature request for a transcoding interface.
06:26:55daurn|laptopaliask: ouch
06:27:01daurn|laptopi spent today bored as fucking hell
06:27:04daurn|laptop - at school
06:27:14rbloveyodo something!
06:27:19scorchealiask: i would think that at least from that, you would be bored smart
06:27:23goffayay.. it finished
06:27:38aliaskscorche: If you were closer to me, I'd buy you a beer for that.
06:27:48aliaskMmmm... beer
06:28:12daurn|laptopwish i didn't always finish it as soon as i buy it\
06:28:37scorchealiask: ship it!
06:28:47goffawell.. i think i'm going to go to bed before i start transcoding more albums
06:28:50goffanight everyone
06:29:22rbloveyothis might be a question-asked-too-much, but is there dual-boot support on the iRiver h3xx? I see it says you just hold down record but does the original fw exactly as it should?
06:29:26aliaskscorche: I'll send you a soggy envelope, it'll be cheaper :D
06:29:44rbloveyo* original fw ^ work ^ exactly as it should
06:29:52aliaskrbloveyo: Yes, it does
06:30:02rbloveyocool, thanks-all I needed to know
06:30:13daurn|laptopaliask: you gonna buy a S60?
06:30:37aliaskProbably from that place you found, why is it so cheap?
06:30:38rbloveyojust got my h300 and am debating whether I should learn the iriver fw before I throw rockbox on there...but if dualboot doesn't impeded the original fw at all, even better
06:30:50daurn|laptopaliask: its not that chea
06:30:57daurn|laptopjust $5 or so less than most palces
06:31:01aliaskIt's cheaper than a local s30
06:31:20daurn|laptopof course
06:31:28daurn|laptopaustralia is as expensive as anything
06:31:57daurn|laptopyou should learn from an early age: if you buy something over $100, you can get it shipped from USA for $50
06:32:32daurn|laptopFTA my ass
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06:33:29aliaskHrm amazon has them reasonably cheap too... wonder if they'll ship it here
06:33:54aliaskThey won't?
06:33:54daurn|laptopi doubt anywhere in usa will ship here
06:34:07JdGordonwhat you trying to get?
06:34:45daurn|laptopwell, i need to go buy a computer
06:34:53daurn|laptopi have no idea how much money i have
06:34:59daurn|laptopbut i suspect i won't have any leftr
06:35:07JdGordonwhats the best price youve found?
06:35:17aliaskAround about $250 US
06:35:22aliaskFor an S60
06:35:33scorchewell, provided you pay for shipping and everything, i dont mind buying and sending it over there =)
06:35:48aliaskThat would be extremely useful scorche, I'll keep that in mind.
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06:36:48JdGordon $463 plus post... or is that still way more expensive than buying in US?
06:36:49hcsheh, I just did something similar for a German in here...
06:37:41daurn|laptopJdGordon: add $16.75 and divde by .76
06:37:43aliaskJdGordon: $463 is like $360 US
06:38:01daurn|laptopso, $350 shipped
06:38:16JdGordonah ok
06:38:41*scorche whistles
06:38:56*aliask considers going to get another beer
06:39:26*daurn|laptop wishes for a beer
06:40:19*Paul_the_Nerd wishes for donuts.
06:40:26Paul_the_NerdFortunately my Dunkin' is open 24-hours
06:40:29*JdGordon agrees with Paul_the_Nerd
06:40:44*scorche wishes for beer AND donuts
06:40:52aliaskscorche has the right idea
06:41:00scorche...and money with which to buy said items...
06:41:15rbloveyoat my dunkin donuts $2.39 smoothies for the month of october...damn 20 minutes left
06:44:40rbloveyoI see a group of goth-looking kids outside...think I'll stay in
06:44:49JdGordon$2.40 for a donut??
06:45:03Paul_the_NerdNo, for a smoothie
06:45:05*scorche wonders what rbloveyo has against goths
06:45:13Paul_the_NerdA half dozen donuts is like $3.00
06:45:28rbloveyoa smoothie! (it's a beverage)
06:45:38rbloveyogoths scare me
06:45:45JdGordonah, missed the smootihie word
06:45:48daurn|laptoprbloveyo: OH NO - goths!!!
06:45:52aliaskThe nicest person I've met is a goth.
06:46:03daurn|laptopyou should be going out there and laughing at them
06:46:04JdGordongoths are funny
06:46:17*scorche could be considered a goth except he doesnt dress like one
06:46:17daurn|laptopgoths are very insecure
06:46:30rbloveyoa couple of 'em are wearing devil horns...
06:46:43daurn|laptoprbloveyo: isn't it halloween?
06:47:01rbloveyothey're probably like that on a regular day ;)
06:47:36daurn|laptopany1 got falls tickets? - aliask, JdGordon?
06:47:43aliaskI MISSED OUT
06:47:50aliaskGot BDO though :D
06:48:23daurn|laptopi'm thining about summa dayze (or however you spell it)
06:48:51aliaskYeah me too, but I'm just not sure of the crowd it'll attract. I can deal with drunk bogans, not e'd up ravers.
06:49:07daurn|laptopi think ther'll be alot of coke
06:49:20scorchealiask: just pinch them
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06:49:39aliaskHoly crap, 2 tickets to the falls are going on ebay for over $500
06:49:40JdGordondaurn|laptop: na, not my type of music
06:49:49JdGordonalso they are fucking expensive....
06:49:59daurn|laptopaliask: and i have have bids snipng them
06:50:09daurn|laptopi have friends that need tickets
06:50:20daurn|laptop - willing to pay $260 a ticket
06:50:32aliaskWhere do your friends live... toorak?
06:50:39daurn|laptopmost are going 2 for $550 or so...
06:50:51daurn|laptopaliask: just how much they cost
06:50:57scorcheholy crap...what kinda show is this?
06:51:06daurn|laptopi know people that have bought them for $400+ each
06:51:06JdGordon3 day festival
06:51:11aliaskIt's a music festival, and it has a VERY good line up this year
06:51:30*hcs looks forward to the Blip Festival
06:51:48daurn|laptopaliask: i was so in for summa dayze, but daft punk cancelled :(
06:51:58*JdGordon would have killed to get to rock am ring in germany this year
06:52:19daurn|laptopi can't believe basement jaxx are headlining
06:52:28daurn|laptopSO many better groups there
06:52:44daurn|laptopyouth group, axwell, bobsinclair(hes too commerical though)
06:53:22JdGordonomg, the BDO website is fucking horrible
06:53:23*scorche hasnt heard of any of these groups
06:53:35aliaskJdGordon: Agreed
06:53:46daurn|laptopscorche: go wiki
06:53:47JdGordoni tihnk it crashed FF
06:54:11aliaskDamn, a lot of big names in Summerdayze
06:54:37daurn|laptopBDO website IS fucked...
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06:54:51daurn|laptopyou have to bite a magic mushroom to get in
06:55:02aliaskOr click skip :)
06:55:26JdGordontool is the only decent band there.. and im not paying $120 again to see one band
06:55:32aliaskLineup isn't that good yet
06:55:40aliaskBut it's only first announcement
06:55:46JdGordondid that when metallica came, and fear factory showed up which made it sweet :)
06:56:05aliaskJdGordon: Oh come on, come see My Chemical Romance with me
06:56:17*JdGordon will be able to watch it all on foxtel
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06:56:54daurn|laptopBDO isn't bad lineup
06:57:07daurn|laptopjust... not grat
06:57:11daurn|laptopnot enough for $115
06:57:13JdGordonits at princes park this year... thats gotta suck compared to the showgrounds
06:59:13daurn|laptopi think summadayze tickets are still on sale
06:59:28JdGordon... changing topics.... daurn|laptop, aliask, are either of you "car" people?
06:59:53daurn|laptop"Car" people?
06:59:53aliaskIf I was going to buy a car I'd buy a hybrid :D
07:00:06aliask(No, I'm not)
07:00:07JdGordoni need to get to the back of my radio and cant igure it out
07:00:23JdGordonhence the need for a car person
07:00:26daurn|laptopi'm not particulary a car person
07:00:31aliaskThat can be quite hard, sometimes you have to take out the whole dashboard
07:00:36daurn|laptop - i don't have one
07:00:38hcsare you, maybe, a car robot?
07:00:47daurn|laptopbut, i will - BECOME a car person
07:00:51JdGordonbah.. useless...
07:00:53daurn|laptopits sort of genetical
07:00:55*JdGordon goes off to sulk
07:01:43daurn|laptopdo NOT jump, and land without moving or bending knees
07:01:47daurn|laptopit kills you
07:01:51aliaskWhy did you do that?
07:01:59daurn|laptopi just fell straight to the floor from the shock
07:02:01scorcheJdGordon: take a picture of it
07:02:43aliaskback on rockbox topics: has anybody given much thought to sdoyon's patches, they look good
07:02:47daurn|laptopaliask: i am EXTREMLY lazy - i didn't want to bother unbending my knees later
07:02:47JdGordonscorche: nothing to look at, aparently i need to push a special radio tool in behind the screws, but dont hav one
07:03:12JdGordonaliask: what patches?
07:03:21aliaskMainly voice related
07:03:24scorchejust go to a dealership and give one of the mechanics 10 bucks or soemthing to use the tool
07:03:40daurn|laptopbtw, a guy i know found a strange, illegel, easy way to get money
07:03:50daurn|laptophe steals expresspost envelopes out of trucks
07:03:55daurn|laptopand sells them on ebay
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07:04:08daurn|laptop - $10 a parcel ($15 retail) - in packs of 20 or so
07:04:21daurn|laptophe gets $1000 for a backpack size thing
07:04:33hcswhy not just steal cash?
07:04:52hcsbetter guarded, I guess
07:04:53aliaskBecause everyone expects that.
07:05:09daurn|laptopcause you can hardly walk around with a bag full of cash
07:05:17aliaskJdGordon: This one in particular
07:05:19daurn|laptop - nevermind walking out of a joint
07:05:32daurn|laptophe just walks past the post office, grabs a box, and keeps walking
07:05:37daurn|laptop - cash is guarded at all tiome
07:06:11aliaskJdGordon: PS I have no idea how to apply it...
07:06:26daurn|laptopok, i'm hungry
07:06:30daurn|laptopwhat should i get :S
07:06:34JdGordonaliask: were you pimping that patch a while ago? i saw it, and it would probably be acceptable if it works nicely
07:06:56aliaskUh, maybe, I don't remember. I'll have a shot at applying it.
07:06:59daurn|laptoptantalize me!
07:07:40JdGordondaurn|laptop: try the new pizza place on glenhuntly road and tell me if its any good... called yoni's or yori's or something
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07:10:22daurn|laptoptoo early for that
07:10:36daurn|laptopi'm thinking a bag of corn chips
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07:11:30jdhoreotganyone know how to update the copy of Rockbox already on my iPod with RockBox Installer X?
07:11:48JdGordonjust unzip the new onto it
07:12:11JdGordonunless your bootloader is old, and i dont think there has been an update in ages to it
07:12:18jdhoreotgwon't that overwrite my .wps' and stuff
07:12:24jdhoreotgand i'm runnig Loader2
07:12:47JdGordonthe only important files are rockbox.ipod all the codecs and rocks
07:12:49JdGordonand viewers
07:13:00JdGordonthe rest you shold be ok with leaving your old copies
07:13:24jdhoreotgi'll back them up just incase though
07:13:53daurn|laptopJdGordon: you on elsternwick exchange?
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07:14:11jdhoreotg...fucking .net
07:14:24JdGordondaurn|laptop: balaclava exchange if you mean for phone...
07:14:46JdGordoni think i can get adsl2+ :)
07:15:50daurn|laptopfuck you!!!
07:15:55daurn|laptopyagi it over to me :P
07:16:07JdGordonna :)
07:16:19rbloveyoanybodty with an iriver h340?
07:16:30rbloveyotrying to install rockbox but didn't work right
07:16:35JdGordoni got a h320.. which is close enough
07:16:38JdGordonwharts the problem?
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07:17:03rbloveyoI got the h300.hex file, ran fwpatcher, threw that on the root dir of the player, went to firmware upgrade
07:17:12rbloveyothat upgraded it under iRiver to 1.30eu
07:17:15rbloveyobut not rockbox startup
07:17:15JdGordondaurn|laptop: This exchange has been enabled for ADSL2+ service by Chime. :D
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07:17:53rbloveyonever mind :)
07:18:14rbloveyoI gues syou gotta run it twice
07:19:02JdGordondaurn|laptop: i dunno.. some company i guess
07:19:15Paul_the_Nerdrbloveyo: Were you originally using US firmware?
07:19:22JdGordonadsl2+ is fairly expensive compared to cable
07:19:27rbloveyoyeah I guess stock us
07:19:30daurn|laptopJdGordon: NOT AFAICS
07:19:32daurn|laptoponly iinet
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07:19:50Paul_the_Nerdrbloveyo: For some reason the US's firmware upgrade routine manages to grab the firmware without the bootloader. But then when you upgrade again, it upgrades everything
07:20:29rbloveyoyea that seems like what happened
07:20:47rbloveyofirst time I ran it, I couldn't turn it on using the on button...only thing I could do was plug in the AC
07:21:03rbloveyobut then the new iRiver fw was active
07:21:22rbloveyothen I did the firmware upgrade again with the same file...after it cut off from doing the upgrade, hitting on started rockbox up
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07:22:08pagefaultmy telco just skipped adsl2+ and went fiber
07:22:10pagefaultthank goodness
07:22:14pagefaultenough copper
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07:23:28pagefaultit's not as cheap as DSL though :(
07:23:29rbloveyoone other thing....bleeding edge & daily seem not to include fonts...and I really don't have time to there an alternate location to retrieve them from?
07:23:36pagefault$70 fo ra 10mbit fiber connection
07:23:52scorcherbloveyo: there is a fonts link on the daily builds page
07:24:08aliaskpagefault: What's the upstream on that?
07:24:12rbloveyoscorche, thanks
07:24:15rbloveyomissed it
07:24:26aliaskPhwoar, nice
07:25:03JdGordondid u see, they want to roll out 100mbit broadband across brissy and the gold coast?
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07:25:24pagefaultthey will run the fiber to your house for free though
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07:26:23pagefaulti'm fine right now with 5mbit DSL
07:27:14aliaskI have decent downstream but I have a very restrictive uploading policy
07:27:18JdGordon256kb/s upload is the only sucky thing about cable
07:27:24aliaskI've already been sent a cease and desist.
07:27:38scorcheJdGordon: dont forget the node crap...
07:27:39JdGordonaliask: haha i got one also
07:27:44rbloveyowell, I'm rockbox running so there's nothing left for me to say :)
07:27:45aliaskHi 5!
07:28:00rbloveyoexcept good night
07:28:00JdGordonscorche: population density is so low here that doesnt really make much difference
07:28:03pagefaultI am at max ADSL upstream
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07:28:12pagefaulttechnology won't go any faster
07:28:19pagefaulttechnology won't go any faster
07:28:24pagefaultdamn keyboard
07:29:49hcshhooww ddoo II ttuurrnn ooffff eecchhoo??
07:30:07aliask@echo off
07:31:13pagefaultcable is pretty crappy here it drops to slow speeds in the afternoon
07:33:05pagefaultnice thing about DSL is once the line cards get filled up it's full
07:33:10pagefaultyou can't add anyone else :P
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07:53:49Paul_the_NerdAlso, to give fair warning, I may be less available than usual for this month.
07:54:42*scorche hears the sound of a few forum-goes rejoice
07:55:10Paul_the_NerdIt's NaNoWriMo, which will take time. I'll still read every single post, but I may be even less helpful than my normal grumpy self.
07:55:51*scorche googles NaNoWriMo
07:55:59Paul_the_NerdNational Novel Writing Month.
07:56:04scorcheso i see
07:57:26BHSPitLappyyou just write a novel during the span of a month?
07:57:50Paul_the_NerdYup, it's only 50,000 words.
07:57:50hcsI signed up for that last year, never got anywhere with it.
07:57:56Paul_the_NerdI'm already 1% done, and it's only been an hour
07:58:46Paul_the_NerdI write short stories as a hobby anyway
07:58:46daurn|laptopmy isp sucks balls
07:58:53BHSPitLappya true novelist would write for writing's sake, and shun bandwagon encouraged writing gimmicks
07:59:03BHSPitLappydaurn|laptop, file a bug report
07:59:09hcswhile everyone else needs some motivation
07:59:27Paul_the_NerdBHSPitLappy: I do write for writing's sake, plenty, but I see this as a challenge, and it'll be fun
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08:00:00*scorche would like to see the end result
08:00:07Paul_the_NerdI plan to post whatever I have.
08:00:09scorchewhat type of story?
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08:00:25scorcheerotic novel?
08:00:26Paul_the_NerdI would call it Realistic Fantasy Horror.
08:00:45Paul_the_NerdInspired in parts by Alice in Wonderland, Sandman (by Neil Gaiman) and The Cell
08:00:46daurn|laptopas i was saying
08:00:48daurn|laptopmy connection SUCKS
08:01:01daurn|laptopanyway, summadayze: i think i might go
08:01:05Paul_the_Nerddaurn|laptop: Evidenly
08:01:07scorcheoh well...if you need any editing/input, i am here =)
08:01:13daurn|laptopgreat lineup
08:01:20Paul_the_NerdI'll probably ask for comments after Chapter 1 is done
08:01:43scorcheyou should make a whole new topic in the forums for it =P
08:02:07Paul_the_NerdYes, because *I* should go off topic
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08:02:08BHSPitLappyif I wrote a book, I'd put // at the beginning of all my footnotes
08:02:17BHSPitLappynobody would understand why
08:02:25hcsa chapter from a short story I cowrote:
08:02:26Paul_the_NerdOn a half on-topic, how many people do Folding@Home?
08:02:42scorcheBHSPitLappy: well, now everyone in this channel would...
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08:03:54BHSPitLappyscorche, of course, but channel-goers around here don't fit into the category, "everybody"
08:04:20BHSPitLappymmm halloween snickers
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08:06:23*Paul_the_Nerd guesses that's a "No"
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08:25:42*scorche makes a dinner consisting of canned peaches and a sandwich with nothing but bread and chips
08:26:14*JdGordon is having lamb for dinner :D
08:26:51*daurn|laptop $chr(1)
08:27:23*scorche needs to get business going so he can have a decent dinner
08:28:35aliaskI love canned peaches.
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08:29:23scorcheas do is the highlight of my dinner
08:29:40scorchebut i might have a dessert of cookie dough...
08:29:49*daurn|laptop likes canned peaches - but fresh is betterer
08:29:53*scorche prides himself on eating healthy
08:30:40*daurn|laptop doens't
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08:35:09*BHSPitLappy works at Wendy's
08:35:30*BHSPitLappy , incidentally, hates his existence!
08:37:06Paul_the_NerdEvery time I hear the Wendy's I think of the song Windy by The Association
08:37:39daurn|laptopi think pink
08:37:46hcsand Wendy's has stormy eyes...
08:37:54daurn|laptopand a traffic light with HOT DOG written on it
08:37:57Paul_the_NerdThat flash at the sounds of lies. :-P
08:39:25BHSPitLappyyou guys have excessively weird mental associations
08:45:24scorcheyou owe me a beer for that too
08:46:13aliaskThat brings the total count to two, when you get to six I'll ship to you :D
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09:05:55Bagdergosh, fedora is one of the first linux distros to include my new curl version...
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09:17:27markunhi MarkusGritsch
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09:18:12MarkusGritschSome days ago I asked in the rockbox-devel mailing list if the patch "#5720 — improved meta data extraction from SID files" could be applied to CVS −− got no response :)
09:18:32MarkusGritschWhat does it take that a patch gets applied to the HEAD?
09:18:54Bagderthat a developer takes time and energy to apply it, check it and then commit it
09:19:23MarkusGritschUnfortunately that didn't happen...
09:19:26Bagderif you check the patch tracker you'll see that we have a HUGE backlog
09:20:04MarkusGritschI see
09:21:43MarkusGritschWhat does it take to get CVS write-permissions? :)
09:22:03Bagdera series of high quality patches
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09:22:12Bagderand shown dedication to hack rockbox
09:22:22MarkusGritsch... That will never get applied ;)
09:22:27JdGordonor 1 big one that garentees lots of maintancece...
09:22:40Bagderwe're >60 committers
09:22:48Bagderso obviously some passed the tests
09:22:55Paul_the_NerdYou just have to wave your patch in front of the right person, at the right time
09:22:56JdGordonBagder: any idea how many are active?
09:23:13LinusNthe usual 5...
09:23:22Bagderyou can count that in the cvs log I guess
09:23:33Bagderit depends on how you define "active"
09:23:50Bagdermost committers only care for a limited area of the code
09:25:39BagderMarkusGritsch: also, make sure the patch works fine on all targets and sims, and do get users to try it out and comment too
09:25:49Bagderit helps smoothen the way for it
09:25:54JdGordonis that a good thing or bad thing? is it better to have everyone know most of the code sort of well-enough, or everyone knowing different parts intimatly?
09:26:08jhMikeSA limited area of the code keeps one quite busy like it or not :P
09:26:12Bagderits more like how it is
09:26:25BagderRockbox is huge amounts of code, its hard to keep track of it all
09:26:48JdGordon.. I'm asking more generaly, instead of specifically in rockbox's case.
09:26:49Bagderand I honestly don't think any single person considers himself familiar with all areas
09:27:09BagderI think it has to become like this when the project grows
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09:36:36Topic" is the place | If you are involved with the rockbox effort and do not have a cloak yet, please PM scorche." by scorche (
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09:45:20Paul_the_NerdLinusN: That was a typo in the email. Somehow the word "regular" got substituted by my hands in the place of "Audible"
09:45:25*Paul_the_Nerd has already sent the correction to the list.
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09:47:32Paul_the_NerdI find it odd that nobody's bothered to figure out a lossless way to unprotect audible files.
09:48:42jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: say again? re: losslessly removing DRM?
09:48:42Bagdersince they can be played stand-alone
09:49:19Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: You can do it with iTunes format DRM without exploiting the Analog Hole.
09:49:31Paul_the_NerdI mean, honestly, it always *has* to be possible because it's called "Decrypting" :)
09:49:42Paul_the_NerdBagder: Not only that, but one of the formats is just an encrypted MP3.
09:49:51Bagderoh, even so
09:50:01Bagderthen there's not even a sound format to figure out
09:50:04Paul_the_NerdThey come in 4 "qualities" and the highest is MP3 audio.
09:50:32Paul_the_NerdI'm a fan of the service, because you can pay a monthly subscription and you actually get to keep the files you download.
09:50:45Paul_the_NerdSignificantly cheaper than simply purchasing audiobooks standalone.
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09:51:54Paul_the_NerdI may move to podcasts for my "spoken word on long trips" though, since those tend to be even cheaper. ;)
09:52:32Bagderyeah, but the quality is also somewhat flaky at times too ;-)
09:53:25Paul_the_NerdThis is true
09:54:38markunPaul_the_Nerd: do they use ogg vorbis as well? Good for low bitrates and royalty free.
09:56:41Paul_the_Nerdmarkun: Nope, the lower bitrate formats are all common voice formats, I've been told, but I don't remember which.
09:57:38Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
09:57:47Topic" is the place | If you are involved with the rockbox effort and do not have a cloak yet (or know what a cloak is), please PM scorche." by scorche (
09:57:50Mode"#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
09:58:03pondlifeHow about if you don't know how to PM scorche...?
09:58:12Paul_the_Nerdmarkun: ACELP apparently
09:58:21scorcheno cloak for you! =)
09:58:29*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs
09:58:42markunscorche: not for me?
09:58:58pondlifeNo cloak for everyone!!
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09:59:28Topic" is the place | If you are involved with the rockbox effort and do not have a cloak yet (or know what a cloak is), please /msg scorche." by scorche (
09:59:31Mode"#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:00:04*Bagder giggles
10:00:09daurn|laptopdo i get a cloak? ;)
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10:00:17pondlifeWhat if you're not sure if you're involved in the rockbox efford ? ;-p
10:00:32aliaskI think you would qualify...
10:00:39*daurn|laptop cloaks, swoops, decloaks, attacks pondlife, recloaks
10:00:52LinusNpondlife: of you are not with us, you are against us :-)
10:00:52scorchedevs and other recognised people qualify
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10:00:57jhMikeSdo I or am I just another visitor?
10:00:58pondlifeJust seeing if I could get the topic even more convoluted...
10:01:06scorcheof course...
10:01:13pondlifeIRC Topics For Dummies
10:01:45muesliiiwot happened 2 cassandra btw? still alive?
10:01:48jhMikeSencrypt it
10:02:07pondlifeOK, back to business. Who knows how SDL works?
10:02:13scorcheand to all of you that do qualify, the topic says PM me...not ask in the channel ;)
10:02:22markunscorche: everyone recognises dongs..
10:02:24Paul_the_NerdNo it doesn't
10:02:30jhMikeSwhat is PM? ;)
10:02:34Paul_the_Nerd /msg is for n00bs
10:02:42markunI use /query
10:03:07scorche−−- scorche has changed the topic to: is the place | If you are involved with the rockbox effort and do not have a cloak yet (or know what a cloak is), please /msg LinusN.
10:03:09jhMikeSadd: and if you don't know what PM is...just forget it
10:03:16*pondlife forgets it
10:03:17JdGordondongs gets rockbox/unuser/shmuck :D
10:03:51markunJdGordon: I think "microsoft" should also be in there somewhere
10:04:01aliaskWhat's the point of a cloak?
10:04:06JdGordonis he still banned?
10:04:26Paul_the_Nerdaliask: Just lends a little credence when you say "Yes, I'm involved" when someone asks.
10:04:35jhMikeSIf you're part of The Federation cloaks are outlawed
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10:04:48pondlifeCan I have a cape instead?
10:04:49aliaskI'm supprised you're not cloaked then Paul...
10:04:59scorchehe is on the list ;)
10:05:06Paul_the_NerdYeah, apparently I'm fated to be.
10:05:16Paul_the_NerdThey snuck me into the credits list while I wasn't looking too. :-P
10:05:19Paul_the_NerdBut that was months ago
10:05:19scorcheit also "cloaks" your hostname to prevent scary people...or so they say
10:05:44jhMikeSAbortion can prevent scary people too
10:05:51LinusNproblem is that we are the scary people
10:06:04Paul_the_NerdI was about to say, what if *I'm* the scary people?
10:06:17scorchefine...not scary people
10:06:18pondlifeThe scary people were around here last night....
10:06:22JdGordondoes the cloak work on hostanme or username?
10:06:24jhMikeSnow life makes more sense
10:06:35scorche31337 h4xx0rz that want to pwn joo
10:06:35JdGordoni mean registered username
10:07:02aliaskoh noes my ip~
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10:22:31jhMikeSWho do "IPR |= (1<<14);" if it says "The IPR is a read-only longword register." ??
10:22:39jhMikeSor why rather
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10:36:02LinusNjhMikeS: oops
10:37:23LinusNwhere is that?
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10:38:48jhMikeSIn pcm_playback.c and pcm_record.c
10:38:59jhMikeSDMA0 and DMA1
10:39:19LinusNi see it
10:40:11*amiconn tried DMA for lcd update last night
10:40:27amiconnIt works perfectly - as long as no playback is running :/
10:40:38LinusNwhich platform?
10:40:47amiconn100fps at 45MHz
10:40:58amiconn(with corrected lcd waitstates)
10:41:20Teknomancer100 FPS ! 8-O
10:41:36LinusNand what if playback is running?
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10:42:53amiconnThen lcd_update() only updates a few pixel lines (2..3) and stops
10:43:01MyipodHello Paul_the_Nerd
10:43:03amiconn(I only tested full lcd_update() so far)
10:43:34jhMikeSLinusN: all coldfire
10:44:04LinusNjhMikeS: sorry, my question was for amiconn
10:44:04markunTeknomancer: I hope you don't think this is video playback at 100fps..
10:44:26Teknomancermarkun :) hehe yah
10:44:34LinusNfunny, that IPR write is my fault, since version 1.1 of the file :-)
10:44:35Teknomanceri knew 100fps wasnt possible with video playback
10:44:43markunok :)
10:45:05Teknomancerbut my initial thinking was 100fps videos :D
10:45:23barrywardelldoes anyone know if someone (maybe dan_a?) is working on that nand/ata driver for the sansa?
10:46:00markunmaybe Bagder knows
10:46:11Bagderyeah, dan_a works on that
10:46:37Bagderhe said he has a version that doesn't fully work
10:46:42Bagdera few days ago
10:47:14Nimdaei wish i wasn't a hardware/programming idiot :(
10:47:32barrywardelli was going to look at it but no point in duplicating the effort
10:47:38jhMikeSamiconn: what was the FPS on H300 prior?
10:47:45scorcheNimdae: then learn
10:48:08LinusNno wonder you get 100fps if you only update 3 pixel lines :-P
10:48:14Nimdaeby the time i would be able to do anything useful, it will already be done :P
10:48:25Bagderbarrywardell: he was gonna have a go at it some more and then either commit it or post it for help if he didn't get it to work, so I would expect either way within this week or so
10:48:37scorcheNimdae: im sure that there will still be something left for you to do
10:48:45barrywardellok, i'll be patient then.
10:48:52amiconnLinusN: The 100fps are with full screen update (i.e. without playback)
10:49:17*amiconn wonders whether this might have to do with the ipr write
10:49:38LinusNor with dma priority settings
10:49:47jhMikeSwouldn't it ignore a write to a read only?
10:50:07Arathisbtw: where is the difference between "options - playlist options - playlist-catalog" and "tagcache menu - context menu - playlist catalog"? cause when I go through the context menu my playlists won't apear, otherwise the do (h10, playlists either in "Playlists" folder or player root)
10:50:26amiconnjhMikeS: You never know what will happen if you try undocumented things
10:51:31jhMikeSsometimes I don't even know when they're documented :P
10:52:05Nimdaei think for now i'll stick to just attempting themes, already spending a lot of time learning other things
10:52:16LinusNi would bet on dma priority problems, that the lcd dma can't be interrupted
10:54:56Arathisbarrywardell: was the path to the playlist folder manually edited for the h10?
10:55:22barrywardellArathis: no, i didn't change anhthing with playlists on the h10
10:55:35jhMikeSAs in try a set_irq_level ?
10:57:07LinusNjhMikeS: no, dma bus priority, not interrupt priority
10:59:04jhMikeSThere's MPARK for that and what else?
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11:01:22LinusNthe BWC field in DCR
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11:03:24Arathisso how is searched for the playlists in rockbox?
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11:04:22LinusNalso, we might have to use dma0 for lcd, as it has higher prio (if it turns out that the lcd dma can't be interrupted)
11:05:21amiconnLinusN: I used DMA3 (lowest priority) for the LCD
11:05:41amiconnDMA0 and DMA1 are the only ones usable for audio, so we can't change that
11:05:51amiconn(unless we don't want dma for audio)
11:06:18amiconnHowever, I would expect the DMA to continue after being interrupted by a higher priority channel.
11:06:55amiconnThe LCD is a nice field for experimentation as I am planning to use DMA2 for (word aligned) ATA DMA
11:07:00LinusNof course, but maybe the lcd controller can't handle it
11:07:34LinusNfor some reason
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11:11:33MrSteinHi! Are FairPlay AACs supported, now that Jon "cracked" it ?
11:12:52barrywardellArathis: looks like is looks in /Playlists first
11:13:51MrSteinaliask: any chance ?
11:14:01MrStein.. in(near) future ?
11:14:07LinusNbarrywardell: huh?
11:14:14aliaskMrStein: He's not released the code, so I seriously doubt it.
11:14:16LinusNbarrywardell: what looks?
11:14:31Paul_the_NerdMrStein: Why not just strip them yourself, and then play the DRM-free files?
11:14:53barrywardellLinusN: playlist_catalog.c:42
11:14:59Arathisbarrywardell: yes, looked it up myself. but why aren't my playlists listed in all playlist catalogs?
11:15:23LinusNbarrywardell: ignore me
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11:16:02MrSteinaliask: ah, I didn't know that. The bastard ! :-)
11:16:06linuxstb_MrStein: IMO, removing DRM is something you should do immediately when you buy music. There's no point wasting battery in Rockbox decrypting it every time you play it.
11:16:33MrSteinOK, thanks for the answers, I was just curious. I don't have a player (yet).
11:16:37amiconnpondlife: around?
11:16:38barrywardellArathis: ah, it only looks there for the config file though
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11:17:39pondlifeamiconn: Yes, just about
11:18:39Arathisbarrywardell: where is the context menu configured?
11:19:37amiconnpondlife: WIll you fix the cpu frequency debug menu item so that we can test stuff at 11MHz again?
11:19:55pondlifeThere's a patch up which does this IIRC
11:20:00amiconnI'm not sure how to do it properly with the boost tracking stuff in...
11:20:38barrywardellArathis: I think it's apps/onplay.c
11:20:43pondlifejustr looking...
11:21:03Arathisbarrywardell: but that sounds like the wps context menu
11:22:05pondlifeMay need a bit of resync, but feel free to use it
11:22:18pondlifeI can do it tonight perhaps, but am snowed under at the mo
11:22:32Arathishm, have to got. I'll look at it later
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11:29:22jhMikeSwhat was the lcd_roll ever used for anyway?
11:30:41LinusNthe oscilloscope plugin on the archos, i believe
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11:40:12amiconnjhMikeS: lcd_roll was only used by the old oscillograph plugin
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11:54:58amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, the original lcd_roll() utilised a hardware feature of the lcd controller. No lcd_update() or other measures were needed for rolling
12:01:27amiconnHowever, not all lcd controller offer this feature, and even if they do, the orientation might be wrong (e.g. on h300)
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12:10:38barrywardellpreglow: i was trying that gpio bitmasking thing but can't get it to work
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12:13:08pondlifeamiconn: Just updated debug_menu.c - it should now restore back to default frequency like it used to.
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12:17:29jhMikeSoy I messed up something
12:18:29LinusNpondlife: the original implementation of the debug menu did not unboost, it simply set the frequency
12:18:50LinusNbehind the back of the boosting mechanism, so to speak
12:20:33amiconnI wonder whether it should do it the official way, i.e. unboost an then set idle mode
12:20:44pondlifeThat's what it does now
12:21:01pondlifeUnboosts until at level 0, then sets default frequency
12:21:11pondlifeIt used to set default, not idle.
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12:26:50amiconnidle frequency is default, done the official way
12:27:06*daurn|laptop hugs Gene Krupa
12:28:33preglowbarrywardell: no? what exactly did you try? i've made it work just fine
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12:30:49barrywardellpreglow: GPIOL_OUTPUT_VAL = ((0x100 | 0) << 5); turns off all bits of GPIOL
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12:33:27preglowbarrywardell: does it nwo
12:33:32JdGordonamiconn: whats the story with sh and target tree?
12:33:53preglowbarrywardell: i've only tried it on two ports, though, and that'd be the nano backlight ports
12:33:57preglowbarrywardell: what target is this?
12:34:55barrywardelli wonder what happens if I try it with a different address for GPIOL (add 0x800 or something)
12:35:07preglowbarrywardell: on nano, that's got nothing to say
12:35:15preglowanyway, perhaps this isn't a pp5020 feature
12:35:59barrywardelli'll test it on my gf's ipod color when i get a chance
12:36:25barrywardelli think that's pp5020 too
12:47:58PaulJamJdGordon: have you already looked at the scrollbar issue when list-titles are enabled?
12:48:13JdGordonPaulJam: no
12:48:22JdGordonit was only a small fix wasnt it?
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12:52:02PaulJamapps/gui/list.c line 359 : replace "display->nb_lines" with "lines"
12:52:45JdGordonthat works 100% ?
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13:04:46daurn|laptopJdGordon: you going to laneway?
13:07:14JdGordonsounds interesting... what type of music are the bands? ive never heard of any of them
13:07:30aliaskIndie... alternative
13:07:59JdGordondamn shame, its on saturday....
13:08:27aliaskAnd it's $80
13:08:50JdGordondo they block off the lanes in the city or something?
13:09:06daurn|laptopJdGordon: they block caledonican lane
13:09:11daurn|laptopset up a stage at one end
13:09:16JdGordonah ok
13:09:20daurn|laptopentry @ the other
13:09:25daurn|laptopand a lounge on the side
13:09:33daurn|laptopmeant to be really good
13:10:09daurn|laptopgod, falls tickets are hard
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13:11:03daurn|laptopoutbid on 4
13:11:08daurn|laptop4 still open
13:12:02daurn|laptopsome going for $300 each
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13:16:38daurn|laptopaliask: what music do you like?
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13:18:53aliaskdaurn|laptop: Alternative, Rock, Hip-hop (esp. Australian), Dance, House, Trance, Chillout, Contemporary Classical, with the occasional acoustic track and a particular soft spot for Trip-Hop
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13:22:52daurn|laptopthats about everything
13:23:10daurn|laptopdamn, lost another auction
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13:24:14aliaskI hope these people are satisfied by their purchase...
13:24:28aliaskI bet the sellers are :)
13:25:07daurn|laptopi know people that have sold theirs for $350+
13:25:20daurn|laptopthen bought more for $250 or so
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13:26:28daurn|laptopeg of auction: 190045283650
13:26:35JdGordonanother satisfied customer :D
13:26:41daurn|laptopmy keyboard is broken
13:26:44JdGordon2 targets to move
13:27:59aliaskDo people do this for a living? It's pretty lucrative
13:28:26JdGordonwhats the markup they are getting?
13:28:30daurn|laptopits called scalping
13:28:32JdGordonits btw illegal :p
13:28:48aliaskYeah, I know... but I never realised the profit margin was so high
13:29:00*JdGordon has a freeking massive blow fly flying around his room
13:29:08aliaskOh that's the worst
13:29:12daurn|laptopbuy them @ release for $120 a pop
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13:29:23daurn|laptopsell them 2 months later @ $260 a pop
13:29:39daurn|laptopits not bad
13:30:41daurn|laptoptheres one there i want to get
13:30:52daurn|laptop4 tickets i think will go for $1000
13:30:59daurn|laptop - split them up
13:31:08daurn|laptopgive 2 to friends for $275 each
13:31:11daurn|laptopone for myself
13:31:14daurn|laptopsell the other
13:31:52JdGordonif I do cvsdo add a new folder, then do cvs diff -uN why does it not go into the new folder and get the new files there?
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13:39:11JdGordonBagder: does Tomal use a different name on flyspray, or is he not in the developers grounp or sometihng?
13:39:25BagderI don't know
13:39:34JdGordondamn, ok
13:44:36pondlifeI could really do with someone who understands the PCM output looking at the sim's sound.c...
13:45:42pondlifeIf can be resolved, I can continue... but I'm stuck
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13:47:43aliaskI've created a single patch file (hope it applies right) for sdoyon's massive patch to voice splash screens at FS #6159, I really think that it should be committed (if the code looks good).
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13:48:11JdGordonaliask: yay, point me to it?
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13:48:41aliaskMy patch is a bit dodgy because for some reason CVS diff wasn't working
13:48:54*JdGordon gets a clean cvs tree
13:49:36*JdGordon currnetly has 6 trees.. and im not sure what is in 5 of them :p
13:49:50*pondlife had something similar once
13:50:10pondlife...but realised that it was too many trees for my limited time.
13:50:39JdGordonthe biggest problem is doing a checkout is about 50mb!
13:50:42JdGordonand a bit slow
13:50:58aliaskI keep a clean cvs locally so I only have to cvs update
13:51:21JdGordoni tried doing that.. but it didnt work :p
13:51:25pondlifeI keep 2 trees, one CVS and one experimental
13:51:30JdGordonaliask: you wernt joking about diff being wierd :p
13:52:29aliaskDoes it apply cleanly though?
13:52:42JdGordonyeah, had to use p2.. but it worked
13:52:47pondlifeWho's the pcm_ daddy? Seriously.
13:53:11aliaskNot me!
13:53:13*aliask runs
13:53:33JdGordonaliask: ill do a proper cvs diff and upload that to make things easier
13:53:58JdGordon... that is... unless it doesnt co-operate
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13:57:07JdGordonthe patch is boring... the first half of it is just changing str() to ID2P() :p
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13:58:49JdGordonaliask: do you know why he has commented out 6 of the main menu items?
13:59:05aliaskThat's mine
13:59:15aliaskThey're not useful for an ipod with no screen :)
13:59:48JdGordonanything else you accidently changed?
13:59:56aliaskShouldn't be
14:01:10JdGordonok, no big deal.. ive removed that part from the patch
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14:02:14Kitt0sanyone uses the custom display width things? because when i go in the FM Radio on my X5 the display goes back to the normal
14:03:28aliaskJdGordon: Please update the patch
14:03:34aliaskOn flyspray
14:03:37JdGordonis there any speed difference with indexing and using pointer arithmatic on arrays?
14:03:58Kasperlewhy do you require registration to use the bugtracker btw?
14:04:05JdGordonaliask: ok
14:05:03aliaski'm going to sleep, thanks JdGordon
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14:10:02JdGordonBagder, LinusN, anyone else... objections to 6159? the patch is farily clean, adds a tiny drop of overhead for spoken screens, but not a significant amount (i tihnk)
14:10:31LinusNJdGordon: see my comment
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14:11:15PaulJamKasperle: i think the main reason for the registration is, that you get notified if someone adds a comment to your task (for example when a dev needs additional information)
14:11:20JdGordonah, you commented while i had it open
14:11:42JdGordonmain_menu.c was a mistake, its fixed in the patch i uploaded.. i tihnk ill delete aliask's verison
14:12:38*JdGordon thinks cond_talk_idarray() looks a bit funny
14:13:43JdGordonspecifically long *id = ids; createing an extra vairable because the parameter variable name is plural?
14:14:21LinusNlooks unnecessary
14:14:31JdGordonit is
14:14:33LinusNcould be because the argument is supposed to be const
14:16:08LinusNand the queue variable should be a bool
14:16:40LinusNno need for parenteses around id++
14:16:54JdGordonthey are nice to have tho
14:19:18JdGordonbecause, when your half asleep, its easier to see the () instead of tryoing to remeber precendece
14:19:26JdGordonits not like they add to actual code size
14:19:53LinusNno they don't, but they add to fear, uncertainty and doubt :-)
14:20:07*JdGordon thinks they would decrese them
14:20:28LinusNbecause then you will never learn the operator precedence
14:21:35JdGordonI'd still rather add them in and not need them, instead of trying to debug the damn code because they are not there
14:22:15LinusNmakes the code harder to read, if you ask me
14:22:20LinusNbut that's me
14:22:58JdGordonchanging topics... any idea how many bytes the english.lang file would need for the lang buffer?
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14:23:25LinusNwhen i see lots of parentheses, i tend to think (1) this guy doesn't know C, or (2) what is special about this code, why does he need parentheses?
14:23:57LinusNJdGordon: i'm not worried about the lang buffer, i'm worried about the voice file
14:24:12JdGordonI always put unnescacery parenthases around big if staements
14:24:19JdGordonyeah, I know.. changing topic...
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14:24:53JdGordonI tinhk its silly to impose a huge buffer on people who never use translation, and it keeps increasing because of the greeek language
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14:25:00daurn|laptopi'm connected STRAIGHT
14:25:08daurn|laptopthough my modem
14:25:13daurn|laptopnever done this before
14:25:16LinusNJdGordon: huge? 21k?
14:25:23daurn|laptop - my compy is wide open to the world
14:25:24JdGordonwell... umm...
14:25:31JdGordoncompared to english.lang?
14:25:32daurn|laptopJoeBorn: hi ;)
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14:26:54Genre9mp3JdGordon: english lang is almost 10KB
14:27:40JdGordonso 11kb that could be used by the codec... :p
14:28:06LinusN11kb mp3, almost a second of audio wasted
14:28:24Genre9mp3the second largetst lang file is russian which is 15KB but it hasn't been updated for months
14:29:12godzirrasigh. I cna't find an X5 for less than like $250 bucks :/
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14:31:52daurn|laptopbuy an S60!
14:32:08LinusNa volvo?
14:32:21daurn|laptopa gigabeat
14:32:42JdGordonthe voice buffer is stolen from the codec buffer isnt it?
14:33:41JdGordonso whats the prolem with a large voice file?
14:33:46LinusNless than 1.5MB on the archos
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14:34:04JdGordonthose bloody archos again! :p
14:34:08LinusNyup :-)
14:34:23Genre9mp3the voice files are actually encoded in mp3 format?
14:34:50JdGordonbut we were going to hit the brick wall soon anyway for them right?
14:35:17*JdGordon doesnt know how voice works, so if this sounds stupid, ignore me...
14:35:28Genre9mp3I wonder when speex gets supported if we could benefit by that
14:35:33JdGordonactually.. just ignore that
14:35:35Genre9mp3ta least for the swcodec
14:35:39daurn|laptop/ignore JdGordon
14:35:41KasperlePaulJam: I see. Having to register everywhere these days is a tad annoying though :/
14:35:42JdGordoni was gonna make a suggestion, but it was stupid :p
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14:36:26lostlogicspeaking of using ram for things I don't use...
14:36:34lostlogic*disables dircache and tagcache in his personal build*
14:36:35LinusNsomeone should create a voice file from that patch and see where we land
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14:36:51*JdGordon doesnt know how to
14:37:35JdGordoncould the voice files, in theory, so id 1-X is in lang.voice.1 and X-Y is in lang.voice.2?
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14:38:28JdGordonthis way the voice files wouldnt be held to a total size
14:38:41Bagderit would be bad
14:38:44JdGordonIt would be annoying having to swap between te 2 files tho
14:40:46JdGordonis there a way to create the voice files on linux? the wiki only says windows, unless im blind
14:41:34JdGordonBagder: I understand it would be bad, but if that is the only way voice could fit in the archos, I tihnk its better than nothing... this wouldnt be needed for SWCODEC
14:42:12BagderI doubt Archos users would agree
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14:42:32JdGordonwhy should they hold the rest of us back?
14:42:33BagderI think they'd rather just not have every word voiced, like now
14:42:55Bagderuh? I didn't say they should
14:43:02JdGordonsorry, im half asleep
14:43:20JdGordonif words can be skipped from the .voice then awesome
14:43:28Genre9mp3would target-specific voice files have any sense?
14:43:31*JdGordon doesnt use voice, but likes the idea
14:43:38BagderGenre9mp3: they already are/can be
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14:45:22godzirradaurn|laptop: why wold I buy an S60? work isnt even happening on the S series gigabeat I haer.
14:45:29godzirraI can spell. sigh.
14:45:37Bagderdaurn is our least faithful rockboxer
14:45:56Bagderbut I agree with you
14:46:02godzirraI'm a fairly faithful rockboxer. At the moment i'd settle for something with drag and drop via usb ;p
14:46:04daurn|laptopi want more tarets
14:46:07Bagderwhy pick a non-rockbox target, unless you intend to work on a port
14:46:14*godzirra nods at badg
14:46:25godzirradamn nick complete not knowing what I mean and listening to what I type.
14:46:33godzirrasorry. Its a bit early here. ;p
14:46:46*Bagder has 3 Rockbox targets, and three Sansas that aren't targets (yet) ;-)
14:47:01godzirraI'd love to make a port of rockbox on a lot of devices, but I don't have the faintest clue how I'd start. I'm not at all strong in C.
14:48:12godzirra*sigh* Windows is killing me. It keeps stalling at 34 minutes left.
14:48:27daurn|laptopleft till......
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14:49:01godzirraYES! It went past it.
14:49:06godzirrastupid error on a BATTERY for a desktpo.
14:49:19godzirraI PQ-Magicked my primary drive together
14:49:22godzirraand xp hated it
14:50:38leftrightBagder: the "on" and "Off" buttons on my black AJB-R are very floppy, are your buttons also floppy on your AJBR ?, trying to determine whether this is standard
14:51:00Bagderyes they are
14:51:29leftrightah so thats standard, ok i got my unit from sbay today and easn't sure, thanks
14:51:33godzirraI love my H120.. sigh. IF I could get an h120 with a color screen and more hard drive space I'd be in heaven.
14:51:52pregloweh, do people have choice of wav bitrates in current builds?
14:52:12Genre9mp3godzirra: H100 with colour screen?
14:52:39godzirraGenre9mp3: huh?
14:53:00godzirraYes, what I want doesn't exist, to my knowledge ;)
14:53:03Genre9mp3<godzirra> I love my H120.. sigh. IF I could get an h120 with a color screen and more hard drive space I'd be in heaven.
14:53:20Genre9mp3well the closest to that would be...guess... H300
14:53:37godzirraExcept the h300 is totally different, at least layout/button wise.
14:53:38daurn|laptopsay, h340?
14:54:00godzirraAnd I'm really picky, so i'd have to see one before I buy one. Which is why I still havent bought one ;)
14:54:21Genre9mp3you can't have all in life... :P
14:54:31blue_lizarddont forget that the h300 series is skinnable
14:54:47preglowjhMikeS: yo, the wav bitrate is 1400kbps even if mono is selected
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14:55:11Genre9mp3blue_lizard: I guess you're talking about the InSkin mod
14:55:16godzirrano idea what that is
14:55:23blue_lizardGenre9mp3: sorry but yes exactly
14:55:33godzirrathats ok. im off to breakfast.
14:55:34*godzirra waves.
14:56:14Genre9mp3I like how my h340 looks like... I would never rip it's skin off!
14:56:22blue_lizardme too
14:56:40blue_lizardbut it is an option and some people may use that
14:57:05blue_lizardand it is a good way to meke the device unique
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14:57:15Genre9mp3well... it wasn't meant as an option actually..
14:57:29blue_lizardlike rockbox?
14:57:52Genre9mp3I mean from iriver
14:58:11blue_lizardthe iriver people shurely newer wanted to make a device where alternative software would run
14:58:30daurn|laptopwhy don't they make the h340 anymore?
14:58:36blue_lizardbut a comunity found the way to make that option
14:58:41Genre9mp3Companies should start want that! ;)
14:59:03blue_lizardbecause the design of the h300 series is outdated
14:59:19daurn|laptopthey didn't even replace it :S
14:59:29daurn|laptopits STILL better than other players
14:59:31Genre9mp3because the iriver people are out of their minds
14:59:38blue_lizardand afaik they got some problems
14:59:47godzirraThats why they have the h10 now :/
14:59:49JdGordondaurn|laptop: the h10 is supposedly the h300 replacemtn
14:59:49Genre9mp3blue_lizard: problems?
14:59:50godzirrabecause they're all insane.
14:59:56godzirraJdGordon: riiiight.
14:59:56blue_lizardwith drm and made some contracht with m$
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15:00:12blue_lizardi read something about that in their forum some time ago
15:00:21daurn|laptopJdGordon: h10 is in 40gb?
15:00:31Genre9mp3up to 20gb
15:00:42daurn|laptopshouldn't we be gettin MORE capacity with age, NOT less
15:01:22*JdGordon wants to buy a iriver clix and port rb to that :)
15:01:25LinusNnext victim
15:01:52BagderJdGordon: go ahead, don't let us stop you
15:01:53Genre9mp3clix? eeeeew
15:01:53blue_lizardit would be really interesting if and how the rockbox can be ported to zune
15:02:03JdGordonBagder: after exams :)
15:02:09godzirraI would totally buy a zune if rockbox was ported to it.
15:02:25daurn|laptopi would buy an S60
15:02:28blue_lizardthat would be really a punch in the face og m$
15:02:31BagderGenre9mp3: yes,
15:02:33daurn|laptop - it IS the zune, with a 60gb hdd
15:02:44JdGordonno wifi!
15:02:47daurn|laptopand no wifi :P
15:02:51Bagderit isn't, just close
15:03:10daurn|laptopbut, i don't see rockbox using wifi anyway is such an inaccessible flash orgy
15:03:37preglowi don't even have flash
15:03:38BagderI don't see wifi as the biggest problem with a zune port ;-)
15:03:38preglowthe gods be thanked
15:03:39LinusNi though was bad
15:03:41preglowi'd rather not visit such sites
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15:04:14preglowa welcome side effect being that i also can't waste time on youtube
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15:04:35godzirraFlash for site navigation is FRACKING EVIL!
15:04:47Genre9mp3a jog dial and a function button? that's all?
15:05:03JdGordontry playing doom with that! :D
15:05:04*preglow smells bsg
15:05:11Bagderwell, there's a range of tcc760 and similar targets, so a first port would be nice
15:05:31*Bagder runs off
15:05:37Genre9mp3argh.. the site is awful indeed!
15:05:48JdGordon1am... bed time
15:05:50JdGordongnite all
15:05:51godzirraeverytime it loads something, its below the fold.
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15:05:55godzirrahorrible site design
15:05:57godzirranight jd
15:06:40godzirraEw. AA's?
15:06:44godzirraThats so 1990's.
15:06:56LinusNthat's so wonderful
15:06:59blue_lizardand so expensive too
15:07:05godzirraI dunno. I can't stand non rechargables anymore.
15:07:13godzirraAnd dont give me teh spiel about how I can get rechargable AA's ;p
15:07:24LinusNwas just about to :-)
15:07:28godzirraI figuerd ;)
15:07:42blue_lizardno get the rayovac recharger unit
15:07:45godzirraI've decided that compaq laptop keyboards suck. i really don't type this bad.
15:07:53blue_lizardthe you can recharge batteries
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15:07:55godzirraOr maybe its just early...
15:10:12preglowLinusN: arm? dual core?
15:10:21LinusNAA is nice because you can find new batteries in just about any store, no need to carry a charger and look for outlets when you run out of juice
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15:11:20amiconnMost space saving potential for archos voice lies in langv2
15:11:36amiconn...and device specific voice files created from that
15:12:03blue_lizardLinusN: you still have the 1.5V - 1.2V problem
15:12:21amiconnThere's a lot of features in the langfiles which are plain impossible on archos, and should neither be included in .lng nor .voice for them
15:12:37*amiconn should check out Bagder's patch :/
15:12:38LinusNyes, if the unit isn't properly designed
15:13:04blue_lizardsome devives are designet that way
15:13:28blue_lizardthere is even a posibillity to avoud the usage of rechargables in another way
15:13:31amiconnblue_lizard: Devices _properly_ designed for primary cell operation have to work within a range of 1.0..1.5 V per cell
15:14:13amiconnSo there shouldn't be anything that stops you from operating such devices from rechargeables
15:14:20blue_lizardamiconn: that may be your opinion but must not be the opinion ofthe hardware developer
15:14:41amiconnIt's not just my opinion
15:15:05amiconnIt's a technical guideline established decades ago
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15:19:48amiconnAt least the archos guys seem to know this rule. The Ondio runs from 3 AAA cells, and it operates down to ~2.7V
15:22:20blue_lizard3x1.2=3.6 or have i misunderstood something?
15:23:38amiconnSo it's perfectly possible to operate the Ondio from rechargeables
15:23:43amiconnI do that all the time
15:24:08blue_lizardi had some devices where the voltage was the most important
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15:24:34blue_lizardthe device give up after some time but the batteries were still very well usable in an lamp
15:25:08blue_lizardwith rechargables the device gave up even sooner
15:25:30blue_lizardbut if your archos works that nice
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15:28:04amiconnPrimary cells not completely used up by a device doesn't necessarily imply the device is improperly designed. It also depends on how much current the device needs
15:28:41amiconnThe voltage of primary cells tends to drop under load, especially towards the end of their life
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15:46:54pondlife"You may have tried to use a naughty URL to interact with the database backend using SQL injection. If this is true, go to the corner and think about your actions. When you return, please do not do it again!" - lol
15:49:01FebsDoes anyone have any idea what "move to next folder" option the guy on the user list is asking about?
15:49:39pondlifeIt's an option where playback will automatically play the next folder when one folder finishes.
15:50:02pondlifeNot sure how it interacts with non-folder playlists or tagcache.
15:50:08FebsRight, but last I checked, that was called "Auto change directory."
15:50:27FebsWe haven't called it "move to next folder" for a long time.
15:50:29preglowi think it was called move to next folder ages ago
15:51:43FebsIn fact, that change may have been made before there was even a build available for the nano.
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15:52:25preglowmno, don't think so
15:53:28preglownovember 2005
15:53:50preglownano port existed then, but hadn't done so for a very long time
15:54:20FebsIn any event, he also claims not to have the pause on headphone unplug option, which was added Sep 26, so I suspect he is using an older build.
15:55:04preglowoh yes
15:55:18preglowif he calls it "move to next folder", it's very, very old
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15:56:14*preglow supposes he should write a manual entry on dithering soon
15:56:28Febs13 November 2005: new label for "move to next folder" option: "Auto change directory"
15:56:43Kitt0s31 Oct 19:49Jens Arnoldfirmware/export/config-iaudiox5.h 1.40 X5 can flip the display.
15:57:24nlspreglow, please do, saw your explanation in the forum and that was very good. :-)
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15:59:13preglowi also suppose i should refine the dithering logic to not apply it when it's not needed, but i'd need to add some new codec flags for that
15:59:32amiconnpreglow: E.g. for 16bit lossless data...
15:59:40preglowamiconn: when you don't use effects
15:59:50amiconnAh, that too
16:00:02preglowamiconn: no, that in combination with 16 bit lossless data
16:00:19preglowsince eq and crossfeed are high precision
16:00:36amiconnHmm, might be hard to implement, e.g. when crossfading between 2 lossless 16bit tracks and no other effects applied
16:00:41nlsIt's always nice when people that wrote the code and actually know what a feature does writes some documentation instead of someone else semi guessing ;-)
16:00:41preglowbut anyway, to do this, i need to make the codecs able to tell dsp their true sample precisionm
16:00:47preglownls: yes, i agree
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16:01:31preglowamiconn: also, all lower bit depths should not be dithered as well, but i don't think we'll see data at lower than sixteen bits too often
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16:02:07preglowamiconn: did you test out the dithering, btw?
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16:03:01preglowbah, i've put the dithering option between sq eq and hw eq entries
16:03:08preglowi'll fix that later
16:03:51preglownls: do we currently add labels to all sections whether it's needed or not?
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16:05:48nlsi _think_ we add them on a when needed basis...
16:07:20nlsbut then the whole thing is a mess with different sectioning, i think some of the settings use \subsubsection or somesuch and are expandable and some use itemize... *goes to check*
16:07:21sIRwa2pdahello. does anyone know if its posible to run a jukebox rec. on usb power. instead of batteries?
16:07:33preglowi'll just go read the guidelines
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16:11:43amiconnsIRwa2pda: nope
16:12:11preglowdo anyone think i should throw in a line explaining the specs of the dithering in the manual for those interested, or should i just assume they'll look in the source?
16:12:33preglowa lot of audiophiles can't read source, so i think i'll do so
16:12:42peturI'd put it in the manual
16:12:56nlssounds like a good idea
16:13:22peturit stesses the fact that we're paying attention to audio quality
16:13:29peturstresses even
16:14:10sIRwa2pdatnx <amiconn> could find anything on forum. (still browsing)
16:17:22sIRwa2pdacould = couldnt.
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16:22:59sIRwa2pdabecause batteries give 4.8V and usb can give 5V.
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16:23:49sIRwa2pdamaybe if i solder the usb conector to the battery connector.
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16:33:46*petur just read the log of last night about h300 lcd update using dma
16:34:15l_rcurrently i have the apple firmware and rockbox in dual boot. i wonder if it's possible to install ipod linux as third choice..
16:35:31peturgod that frontierlabs site is horrible
16:35:32amiconnpetur: Read this morning's log as well... there might be a serious problem
16:38:34peturoh :(
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17:06:22lostlogicwoah, disabling dircache caused what sounds like misalignment of the buffers...
17:06:25nlsamiconn, LinusN did some h300 lcd-dma stuff that got reverted see cvs history for 21 Dec 00:52
17:06:48nlsanyways off to get seriously messed up ;-)
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17:16:33lostlogicwtf, how would disabling dircache cause the pcmbuf to be misaligned?!
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17:56:37lostlogicnope ,I was just retarded, it was something else I'd messed with and forgotten about.
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18:20:36Davide-NYCjhMikeS: I wanted to ask about the BRP as my week is getting hectic and wanted to do some scheduling for testing
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18:20:57Davide-NYCare you 'close' or has something 'come up'?
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18:22:43*petur thought it was called MRP, not BRP :D
18:25:07lostlogicwhat's a MRP or a BRP?
18:25:39petur'M'onster recording patch <-> 'Big' recording patch
18:26:36Davide-NYCpetur: I have been asking for a line in the WRS display showing input source
18:26:51peturI know
18:26:51Davide-NYCdo you agree with this? would you help me hget it "in' the WRS?
18:27:17Davide-NYCFMRec and Line-In rec during recording look identical
18:28:04peturI agree, yes, but wanted to work on other things tonight
18:28:25Davide-NYCCool. All I wanted to know was whether others thought it a good idea
18:28:41peturlostlogic: last version of that patch is at 418KB
18:29:07Davide-NYCI must go.
18:29:11peturMain reason is he let his editor cleanup trailing whitespace
18:29:17Davide-NYCNo answer form jhMikeS
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18:40:03theshado1Ok the instructions for the iRiver H10 (5Gb) are incomplete... it says to copy the H10.mi4 file to the system directory, then it says to actually install the firmware download the version you want (Current/Daily/CVS) but doesn't mention any thing else... and now when I start the H10 its telling me to go to the iriver website to get the restore tool.
18:40:08theshado1Can anyone help me?
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18:55:17lostlogicTheShadowx: just download the zip file of the version you want and extract it to the player
18:55:34lostlogic(I'm guessing, because I've never used an H10, but that's how it works on othe rplayers)
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19:06:47pondlifelostlogic: Don't suppose you have any further idea why playback shutdown causes a queue overflow? I'm about to have a look.
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19:09:35lostlogicpondlife: nothing's come to mind
19:09:45pondlifeJust wondered, no worries.
19:10:12lostlogicI'm just enjoying my cache-free audio (since I never really browse the tree and I don't use tagcache, yay #ifdefs!)
19:10:29pondlifeBooo! Less testing!
19:10:41pondlifeI don't use Rockbox, but I do test it!
19:10:46lostlogicpondlife: from what continent hail thou?
19:11:24lostlogichehe :) gotcha −− so you rockbox in your after and before work hours mostly?
19:11:40pondlifeYes. Although work hours have been rather long recently.
19:11:54pondlifeIf I get up at 6am, I can get some hacking in
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19:12:53lostlogic(I get up at 6 often, but that's to go work out, not to hack rockbox most of the time)
19:12:57pondlifeWooah, total sim crash!
19:13:25pondlifeIts last words were "Restarting playback"
19:13:34lostlogicI'm still intrigued by your sim testing −− I have used the sim only to find bugs in the sim really :-\
19:13:57pondlifeIt's prettty good for playback. No good for pcmbuf or timing stuff though
19:14:26pondlifeAnd it's in need of a fix for pcm pausing which is stopping me working on the voice-while-paused stuff.
19:15:23pondlifeIf you can fix then you will be a total hero.
19:15:31pondlifeWell, even more than normal.
19:15:49lostlogicI'll try to look at it today or tomorrow (which usually means this ewekend)
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19:16:06pondlifeThe fix is probably to crib the normal SWCODEC pcm code across and fiddle into a sim-shaped hole.
19:16:26lostlogichopefully can be done more simply than that
19:17:01pondlifeTrue, but I don't like to simulate at a higher level than needed. There's too much sim-only code.
19:17:30pondlifeThe sim should start when we poke at ports, not before.
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19:20:16lostlogicthis channel is not nearly juvenile enough... "he said 'poke at ports', heheeh".
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20:09:08*amiconn found the LCD DMA problem in conjunction with playback
20:09:18pondlifeTell us more
20:09:24amiconnFrame rate now down to "only" 91fps, but working stable...
20:10:14amiconnNow on to implemeting partial update with dma (requires dma isr)
20:10:46pondlifelostlogic: The crossfade setting crash is caused by the exiting codec queuing an unwanted Q_AUDIO_STOP in the middle of playback restarting.
20:10:55amiconnThe problem was that the dma transfer needs to be explicitly finished (by setting DSRn to 1)
20:11:19kasparwhere do I find the microphone driver code on the x5?
20:11:35pondlifelostlogic: I have a band aid, which is a safe fix, but introduces another global boolean, just for this purpose, so not overly keen to commit it.
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20:12:56amiconnIt looks like if that isn't done, preparing the new transfer starts it prematurely, so it uses incorrect register contents depending on the timing (other dma channels active etc)
20:13:29pondlifeWould this discovery perhaps be relevant to recording at all?
20:13:49amiconnHmm, but fire.rock now stops playback on H300
20:13:56amiconnDoes that also happen with cvs?
20:14:03*petur tries
20:14:12*pondlife does too
20:14:49pondlifeToo slow, but yes here too
20:14:53peturnoty enough yields it seems
20:15:05peturnow skipping alot
20:15:06amiconnOkay, so it's not a problem caused by lcd dma :)
20:15:29amiconnOther plugins with heavy lcd updating are working fine while playback
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20:15:43amiconn(tested plasma and oscilloscope in scrolling mode)
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20:26:50*petur finds out why his interrupts no longer worked
20:26:55peturbloody typo
20:27:57AdamKilihey if i update a 5G iPod (not 5.5) to the latest Apple firmware, will it affect the installation of rockbox? (I havn't put it on yet)
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20:28:54peturworst case you need to reinstall the rockbox bootloader
20:29:03Paul_the_NerdActually that's the only case. :)
20:30:05AdamKiliso Apple's newest firmware doesn't cause compatibility issues, it's the 5.5G iPod's slightly different hardware that does. No need to worry since I have a 5G iPOd
20:30:43*petur doesn't know at all
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20:33:10AdamKilican anyone else confirm before i update my 5G?
20:33:41hcsI can't confirm, but I haven't heard of any problems.
20:34:12AdamKiliok good
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20:35:11Paul_the_NerdAdamKili: The 5.5G is actually the same hardware, other than the disk, but it's actually the fact that the software is slightly different from the firwmare update they have you download.
20:35:43Paul_the_NerdUpdating the firmware on your own is fine though
20:42:28lostlogicdarnit, pondlife left
20:45:33peturyes, he tends to do that from time to time ;)
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20:49:43TheShadowxAlright... I've decided that I will forever use Rockbox :P
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20:50:13lostlogicTheShadowx: :)
20:50:38sunlordhmm, I can't seem to find rockboot.bin
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20:52:56Paul_the_Nerdsunlord: It's not in the folder you made it in?
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20:55:11sunlordforget it, I think the manual on the website was better than on pdf
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21:03:57sunlordmy 3g is so mongo, can't charge via usb
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21:07:45AdamKilii know this isn't really the place to ask, and that RockBox has games, but do u guys know if theres way to get free games for Apple's firmware? Just wondering if someone's done it
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21:17:55Kitt0swich file in the CVS is the fm radio ?
21:18:23AdamKilihow does dual-booting rockbox work? i read somewhere about holding the menu button, so does it automatically go to Apple's firmware unless you hold the Menu button?
21:18:37hcsvice versa
21:19:04hcsboots up into rockbox normally
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21:24:20Link2999nebody mind helpin me out wit my ipod thing
21:24:33dan_aI saw in the logs that you might be interested in seeing where I'm up to with the Sansa flash driver - would you like me to mail it to you?
21:25:23barrywardellyes please :)
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21:26:19Davide-NYCLink2999: just aska specific question
21:26:29Link2999is it worth it?
21:26:36Davide-NYCthat is not specific
21:26:42barrywardelldan_a: my nick at gmail
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21:27:03dan_aWith a dot in it?
21:27:17Link2999idk if id wanna replace my firmware
21:27:25Paul_the_Ner1Link2999: Your iPod thing is "is it worth it"?
21:27:26barrywardellyes,sorry, barry.wardell
21:27:38Paul_the_Ner1Why not read the WhyRockbox page and see if you want the features it offers.
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21:27:39barrywardellalthough i think gmail ignores the dot anyway
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21:27:42Link2999nah i wanna know if i should replace it
21:27:56Link2999pros an cons basicly
21:28:03Link2999ill check it out i guess
21:28:49barrywardellyeah, gmail ignores the dot so barrywardell would be fine either
21:28:58PaulJamand rockbox is dualboot, so you can still use apple os
21:29:15Link2999k thats good
21:29:45Link2999any estimate on how long this should take >__> theres like so many instructions
21:30:01sunlordI hit rockbox in the browser and loading... comes up in a split second then disapears and nothing happends
21:30:07Link29991 page
21:31:16Paul_the_Nerdsunlord: i take it you haven't actually read how to use it in the manual?
21:31:31Learsunlord: when you're in rockbox, re-starting it doesn't help much. :)
21:31:37sunlordi'm doing it as we speak :P
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21:32:20sunlordbut in the pdf its "make an overview over the menu here"
21:32:42sunlord"include an overview of the menu structure here"
21:33:04sunlordin rockbox-ipod3g-20061101.pdf
21:33:15basculeHi, anyone here able to help me with a VMware problem?
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21:33:56Paul_the_Nerdsunlord: It should still tell you what button to press to get into the menu. Or you could guess, and tap the menu button. :-P
21:36:45blue_lizardbascule: maybe if you tell what your problem is somebody could help
21:37:01blue_lizardnormally nobody would ask you what the problem is
21:37:37sunlordI don't find my music :P
21:38:36Paul_the_Nerdsunlord: If you copied it over using iTunes, I suggest reading about Tag Cache, either in the manual or the TagCache wiki page
21:38:43LearCould be in a hidden folder. Tell Rockbox to show all files.
21:38:47sunlordI used xplay
21:39:01Link2999sorry im a noob when it comes to these things but what does this mean? "Next, create a folder on the computer’s hard drive and download the following file to that folder".... does it just mean create a folder in the ipod folder or to the desktop or what?
21:39:24blue_lizardno on the computer
21:39:31blue_lizardas it says
21:39:31Link2999what drive
21:39:44blue_lizardthe drive of bill gates if posible
21:39:51blue_lizardif not use one of yours
21:40:09basculeOK, I installed VMware smoothly, but the '\\debian\user' virtual drive has not been created. How can I either set it up, or mount my windows drives in VMware?
21:40:14Paul_the_NerdSeriously, it doesn't say because it doesn't matter.
21:40:20barrywardelldan_a: i'm going out for an hour or so. i'll check my mail when I get back :)
21:40:26Paul_the_Nerdbascule: Are you running VMWare?
21:40:32Paul_the_NerdLike, is the image active?
21:40:44blue_lizard'\\debian\user' is not adrive
21:40:52dan_abarrywardell: no problem :)
21:40:55blue_lizardit is a share of the virtual computer
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21:41:06basculeI know how to find it, it's just not being recognised
21:41:29blue_lizardopen explorer and type in \\debian
21:41:36basculewhen i ran VMware, it flashed up that it could not find/setup the home drive
21:41:47basculei think that's the problem
21:42:02blue_lizardso th eimage is not running
21:42:46blue_lizardi really dont want to be offending
21:42:58blue_lizardbut if you are not even able to get that ding to run
21:43:10blue_lizardwhat do you want with the rockbox sources?
21:44:01Paul_the_Nerdbascule: Have you tried going through the Network Neighborhood?
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21:44:56basculeblue_lizard: i've run the compile, the is sitting waiting in the build folder, but i cannot access from windows
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21:45:42blue_lizardopen explorer and type in \\debian
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21:46:48basculeblue_lizard: from IE 'windows cannot find '\\debian''
21:46:59blue_lizardno IE
21:47:07blue_lizardwindows explorer the filemanager
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21:48:19basculeyes, i know, it should work from IE, but I've also done it from start>run... with the same result
21:48:42basculefor some reason VMware has not set up the \\debian path
21:49:12blue_lizarddo you have an ip adress inside vmware?
21:49:14basculei'm happy just to either mount a windows drive from within VMware, or set it up again
21:49:35basculeblue_lizard: how do I check?
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21:49:43blue_lizardifconfig -a
21:49:50blue_lizardas root if possible
21:50:19blue_lizardi dont use the vmware image and therefore dont know exactly waht is installed and what not
21:50:34blue_lizardbut debian is not that complicated if it runs
21:51:14basculeneither ifconfig or ipconfig work, unknown command
21:51:35ender`try ip addr
21:51:41hcs /sbin/ifconfig
21:52:12bascule'bash :ip :command not found :(
21:54:07Link2999in the 1st or 2nd step in what program do u press start - execute
21:54:15*[IDC]Dragon does a cvs update since 5 month...
21:54:18bascule can't find sbin
21:54:51Link2999Locate the player by opening a command window. You can do this by clicking “Start”, “Execute” and typing cmd. Press Enter to execute that command. Now change directory to the folder you created and run the following commands:
21:54:56amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Be prepared for the shock ;)
21:55:43[IDC]Dragonprobably I need a newer gcc?
21:56:16amiconnFor sh1? Sure, we practically require _rockbox patched_ gcc 4.0.x now
21:56:46amiconnYou can compile with older (and unpatched) gcc, but the binaries will then end up even larger (no -Os possible)
21:56:57amiconnYes, to work around an sh-elf-gcc bug
21:57:17amiconnI'm not up to fixing gcc the right way, but the patch works reliable
21:57:33[IDC]DragonI still have 3.3.5
21:57:40[IDC]Dragonyour patch?
21:58:35*amiconn points towards The Friendly Rockbox Wiki :)
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21:59:52peturTFRW = TRFW?
22:00:03petureuh RTFW
22:01:40*TheShadowx has the sudden flash of a quote
22:02:13*petur observes how the philips usb code starts without printing errors :D
22:02:31*amiconn is fighting with coldfire dma and interrupts
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22:05:12SpooForBrainshello all
22:06:51*[IDC]Dragon compiles with his old toolchain...
22:07:47[IDC]Dragonit's bitching about gnu make < 3.81
22:07:56SpooForBrainsI wonder if anyone has any info on whether Rockbox will run on the PSP in any form?
22:08:00*petur was expecting that
22:08:00[IDC]Dragonwhat'll be better then?
22:08:17*ender` yawns
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22:08:34[IDC]DragonI mean, what features does that introduce?
22:08:51peturSpooForBrains: *maybe* the sim (SDL) ?
22:09:20Paul_the_Nerd[IDC]Dragon: Faster build times
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22:09:44Paul_the_NerdAt least, I think so
22:10:00SpooForBrainspetur: yeah, the only reference on the web says pretty much that ...
22:10:02linuxstb_SpooForBrains: No, it won't run, but you could port it - either natively (completely replacing the PSP's operating system), or port the "ui simulator" to run under the original OS.
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22:10:40Paul_the_NerdPorting the UI simulator is probably the better bet.
22:10:52dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: Is there a problem with the forums at the moment?
22:11:13peturseems like ti
22:11:18Paul_the_NerdSeems to be the hosting
22:11:33linuxstb_Who/what is SMF?
22:11:41Paul_the_NerdSimple Machines Forums
22:11:44Paul_the_NerdThe software we run
22:11:59Paul_the_NerdBut MisticRiver isn't responding either.
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22:13:09Paul_the_NerdAt least ours gives some sort of useful message.
22:13:29Paul_the_NerdOr if not useful, at least a message
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22:14:11blue_lizardwha would anybody put effort into porting rockbox to psp?
22:14:22AdamKilihow do i make fonts bigger?
22:14:46peturmenu -> browse fonts
22:14:48dan_aThey seem to be different problems - misticriver's DNS doesn't resolve for me, but the forums have a problem with the database. Of course, if the database is at, that would explain the problem.
22:15:00Paul_the_Nerdblue_lizard: If you can only afford one portable device, period, the PSP isn't actually a bad choice just for the multifunctionality of it, but the audio format support is quite a bit lacking
22:15:59Paul_the_Nerddan_a: MisticRiver provides the hosting for our forums.
22:16:01blue_lizardi understand but i dont see the psp as an reasonably acceptable mp3 player
22:16:28Paul_the_Nerdblue_lizard: So what you're saying is, if they can only buy one thing, and have bought the PSP, they should just give up and accept it?
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22:16:55blue_lizardnno but for the psp there are other projects that help playing mp3s
22:16:58*Lear notices the cloak in the topic...
22:17:30*petur peeks from under his cloak... *BOO*
22:17:33Paul_the_Nerdblue_lizard: And how many of them do as much as Rockbox already does, though, including format support etc?
22:17:38blue_lizardit is like porting rockbox to native i386
22:17:48Paul_the_Nerdblue_lizard: Have you *seen* the UISimulator?
22:18:01blue_lizardnot for development
22:18:11blue_lizardfor playing the mp3s
22:18:35blue_lizardi use the simulator to begin to write for rockbox
22:18:53Paul_the_NerdAnd how many of the PSP audio apps offer the format support and audio functionality of Rockbox?
22:19:09Paul_the_Nerdpetur: Have they begun handing them out?
22:19:17Paul_the_NerdBTW, Forums seem to be back
22:19:50peturno idea... there was a round of handing out some time ago
22:20:07Paul_the_Nerdpetur: Ah, couldn't remember if you'd had one before, I don't pay attention to things. :-P
22:20:09petur*looks at scorche*
22:20:46SpooForBrainsPaul_the_Nerd: "a bit lacking"? No ogg/flac/pretty much anything but MP3 support, no playlists to my knowledge, no shuffle ...
22:20:54SpooForBrainsor rather, no shuffle between albums
22:21:41Paul_the_NerdSpooForBrains: I tend toward the understatement. The PSP is a game system with DAP functionality anyway, it was an afterthought whether Sony pretends it isn't or not.
22:22:25blue_lizardi understand the psp hardware more as an video device and not as an audio one
22:22:52SpooForBrainsblue_lizard: even in that regard, Sony have managed to cripple it
22:22:57blue_lizardquite reverse to the h300 as an example
22:23:16blue_lizardwhere i dont find it usefull for playing videos
22:23:25SpooForBrainsstill, it's a beautiful piece of engineering and it COULD be so much better
22:23:32blue_lizardbut thats maybe because my eyes are to bad
22:23:35Paul_the_Nerdblue_lizard: And yet people watch video on it, because it's the only pocket sized thing they have with video playback.
22:24:11*petur wonders how linuxstb is coming along with sound in video playback ;)
22:24:49amiconnYay! Partial update working w/ DMA
22:25:14amiconnBut, lcd_update() @ 124MHz is now slower than wiithout DMA, due to the increased # of waitstates
22:25:22amiconnNeed to experiment...
22:25:28Paul_the_Nerdpetur: I think that it should just be enabled, damn the slowdown, and let everyone switch to asking when we'll optimize it rather than when we'll implement it.
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22:25:47SpooForBrainsalso, has anyone in here had any experience with nextway's D-cube?
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22:27:37AdamKilipetur: i select browse fonts but it doesn't do anything. do i need to install some fonts?
22:27:56peturyes, download from daily builds page
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22:31:31SpooForBrainsheh, he got there in the end
22:31:41Paul_the_NerdDoes anyone else hear a word sounding vaguely like "waffle" every time they see "rofl" rather than imagining laughter?
22:31:54*SpooForBrains raises hand
22:31:57hcsyes, and the 't' in there confused me
22:32:13Paul_the_Nerdt is old school
22:32:22SpooForBrains"loll" is the same
22:32:35*petur doesn't like to get reminded he's getting old
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22:32:53SpooForBrainsregular IRC does bad things to my vocabulary
22:33:14SpooForBrainsI know I've been online too much when I start SAYING "sigh" instead of actually sighing
22:33:39zeSpooForBrains: actually i used to do that, long before i got on irc
22:33:45SpooForBrainsand I caught a yawn over IRC once
22:34:01SpooForBrainssomeone typed *yawn* and damn my eyes, i caught it
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22:35:20*Paul_the_Nerd is tempted to 'waffle' any time he would laugh now.
22:35:56*ender` yawns all the time :)
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22:36:44*[IDC]Dragon just flashed an oversized rombox into his 512k flash :-)
22:37:17[IDC]Dragonand I'm test driving how rockbox is like, these days
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22:41:16amiconnFunny how everything becomes roughly half-size when feeding the data into the lcd controller too fast
22:41:45[IDC]Dragonwhat happenend to the fonts?
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22:42:03[IDC]Dragonnone are in the zip
22:42:14amiconnThey're included when making fullzip
22:42:24[IDC]Dragonah, ok
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22:42:43[IDC]Dragonany other "bonus"?
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22:44:52amiconnWow, 170fps @ 124MHz with 4 waitstates >:-)
22:45:35[IDC]Dragonwhat are you working on? DMA for which display?
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22:46:39amiconn[IDC]Dragon: DMA for the H300 LCD
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22:47:04sunlordomg how fucked scrolling is :\
22:47:20Davide-NYCamiconn: 170fps?
22:47:28[IDC]Dragonto have LCD blit parallel to MPEG decoding?
22:47:32amiconnYes, and 106fps at 45MHz
22:47:48amiconn[IDC]Dragon: No, no yielding while doing the dma
22:48:01amiconnThat seems to hang rockbox under certain conditions
22:48:02Davide-NYCIs that not amazing?
22:48:53amiconn[IDC]Dragon: And besides, we can't use DMA for MPEG blitting (as that does YUV->RGB on the fly)
22:49:45[IDC]Dragonteach that to the DMA!
22:50:43Mooswow incredible stats amiconn !
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22:51:11Mooswill that be adaptable to others targets in the futur?
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22:51:59amiconnPerhaps h1x0 (with little benefit), definitely not the X5
22:52:01[IDC]Dragondidn't Linus say DMA is impossible, because of some hardware design stupidity?
22:52:20Moosamiconn: ok
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22:54:34amiconn[IDC]Dragon: High-speed RAM write isn't possible due to hardware design
22:54:57amiconnDMA is possible, but for some reason it looks like Linus believed the coldfire only has 2 DMA channels
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22:55:17amiconnIt actually has 4 of them, just only 2 can be used as audio DMA
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22:55:50amiconnThe 4th channel will be put to good use for ATA DMA soon :)
22:56:23amiconn(and that is possible for all coldfire targets, but only for aligned transfers)
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22:57:25[IDC]Dragonthe settings became strange, with a scrolling list of e.g. dB values
22:58:02amiconnIt's a bit strange at first, but I actually like the list
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23:01:59*Davide-NYC likes the list as well
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23:04:19*petur discovers jello biafra visits Belgium next week
23:04:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:04:45peturtoo bad it's only spoken word
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23:07:16*Genre9mp3 doesn't like the lists :/
23:07:52Davide-NYCActually I'd like to ammend my comment above:
23:07:57*Davide-NYC doesn't mind the lists
23:08:23amiconnThis lcd update speed is outright amazing....
23:08:36*amiconn just optimised the partial update, getting rid of the isr
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23:09:34*scorche looks at petur
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23:10:25Genre9mp3"The 4th channel will be put to good use for ATA DMA soon" does this mean that there is room for optimizing ATA, too?
23:10:26*petur looks away again
23:10:34Genre9mp3for coldfire targets that is
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23:11:02bgmrkhey hey
23:11:10peturmy my
23:11:27peturrockbox will never die
23:11:36bgmrkok so....
23:11:39bgmrkpac box...
23:11:43bgmrkwhere do i get it?
23:11:48Genre9mp3long live Rockbox!
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23:12:02peturbgmrk: you mean the roms?
23:12:16petursorry, we can't help you
23:12:17bgmrki thinks that what i need to se packman
23:12:26peturever tried google?
23:12:28bgmrkgrrr i was afraid of that
23:12:34bgmrkjust search pacman roms?
23:12:41bgmrkcause i dun get alot when i do that
23:12:45peturdon't ask, it's illegal
23:12:52topblokehey i run rockbox on a jbr20 with 2650 mah batteries and they last a real short time. is this a bug?
23:13:01bgmrkwhat about...a private chat..
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23:13:18peturcan't be bothered :)
23:13:25bgmrkhah fine
23:13:31bgmrkthanx genre
23:13:37scorchetopbloke: is probably the problem that affects practically all of those units at one time or another
23:13:51Genre9mp3bgmrk: It just says what you need :P
23:14:03bgmrklet me take a look
23:14:11topblokewhat problem is that
23:14:20topblokei bought the batts recently
23:14:21scorchelook at the link
23:14:28AdamKiliwhat's replaygain?
23:14:53topblokeo i didnt see that
23:15:23topblokeIt shuts down or reboots when you squeeze the bumpers - mine does this
23:15:45scorchefollowing those instructions should fix it
23:17:42topblokemy headphone jack is also wonky
23:17:48topblokedo u have a guide on that
23:18:30barrywardelldan_a: looking at your code, why do you do line 236?
23:18:46topblokethis thing is giving up the ghost
23:19:00topblokewhats a better (cheap) platform the at runs rockbox well
23:19:08scorchedepending on what you mean by "wonky", you will probably be fine with just getting a new jack and soldering it in place of the old one
23:19:15bgmrkthink ne1 could make the sims for use with rockbox?
23:19:33Genre9mp3scorche: Why not soldering the existing one?
23:20:12scorchetopbloke: go to the wiki page DeviceChart and pick one ;)
23:20:18Genre9mp3nevermind... just re-read what you've written
23:20:29Genre9mp3I missed the "depending" part ;)
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23:20:36scorcheof course ;0
23:20:59barrywardelldan_a: also line 251, why do you write 8 instead of 0?
23:20:59total-newbiegood night everybody...
23:21:14dan_abarrywardell: The RCA is returned in the high 16 bits. Though when we use it, it's always shifted left 16 bits...
23:21:41Genre9mp3scorche: And also you are the cloak-master... I have to be nice to you :P
23:22:17scorchethe list says to PM me ;)
23:22:18topblokebut do they all run well or just a proof of concept
23:22:23barrywardelldan_a: OK, I understand. what about writing 8 instead of 0?
23:22:26dan_aAnd line 251 will be... erm... because I'm daft!
23:22:35barrywardelljust a mistake?
23:23:04barrywardellthat doesn't seem to have any effect
23:23:35Paul_the_Nerdtopbloke: Really, if you want one that is running fairly well, I'd suggest the H100 (NOT H10) series, H300 series, or X5 series
23:23:51peturscorche: s/PM//msg :p
23:24:02amiconnAny H300 owner around who wants to try a patch?
23:24:04dan_abarrywardell: just a mistake, and it doesn't seem to make any difference.
23:24:11peturamiconn: yups
23:24:28barrywardellOK, thanks. I'll get back to reading the code now:)
23:24:31scorchepetur: hush you!
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23:26:57amiconn~75% speedup at 11 MHz and 45 MHz, ~24% speedup at 124MHZ
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23:29:09peturamiconn: just building a cvs version with test_fps before trying the patch
23:29:23[IDC]Dragonrockbox boot takes forever
23:29:33[IDC]Dragon(could be the theme)
23:29:50amiconnTheme loading takes forever if it contains bitmaps
23:29:53[IDC]Dragonwhat happened to my 3 sec startup
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23:30:21amiconnLoad a proper theme (i.e. without bitmaps) and startup will be almost as fast as before
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23:30:51AdamKiliwhat setting makes the music pause when scrolling a lot?
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23:31:52amiconnpetur: As you're way more interested than me, could you try recording?
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23:32:38peturyup - if cygwin manages to build in time ;)
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23:32:56amiconnLCD DMA shouldn't disturb recording as DMA3 has lower prio than DMA1, but better make sure...
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23:37:02bgmrkwhats the link to plugins
23:37:15bgmrkcan't find it
23:37:21scorcheall plugins are invluded in rockbox
23:37:34bgmrki no....but i'm doing some reading
23:37:38bgmrkand i lost the stupid link
23:37:43bgmrkand i can't find it on their site
23:38:07scorchewhat site?
23:38:36bgmrkoo nvm
23:38:40bgmrkjust found it
23:38:42bgmrkthanx though
23:39:00steu're welcome :)
23:40:24steis there anyone here using amarok to feed ogg files into a rockboxed iPod Video 5g?
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23:42:22bgmrkwhat else can a person add to rockbox?
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23:42:46*petur waits for the doom wads question
23:43:11stebgmrk: toxic mp3s inherited from friends :)
23:43:26bgmrka special kind of mp3 files?
23:43:27peturhow about music?
23:43:31bgmrkgot that
23:44:46stebgmrk: I just wonder if amarok can feed mp3 using its "multimedia device" tab, or I simply create a folder and manually put the files there (via shell or Nautilus)
23:44:59stebgmrk: sorry, ogg
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23:47:11stebgmrk: :P
23:48:14bgmrki'll update rockbox...and see what other things i can change
23:50:41bgmrkumm yea..updating....
23:50:44bgmrkhow do i do that?
23:51:05peturunzip a build onto your player
23:51:25bgmrksounds easy enough
23:51:33peturit is
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23:54:14*petur grabs one of his mics
23:54:25*Davide-NYC wonders why
23:54:35peturdma patch test
23:54:35steok, I'm listening to the first ogg of my 30 GB collection... :)
23:54:43amiconnpetur: LCD updates are glitch free for you as well?
23:54:46sterockbox simply *ROCKS*
23:54:59stebgmrk: yup
23:55:04bgmrkwhats that?
23:55:05peturamiconn: yes but haven't done more than browsing
23:55:13peturspeeds are nice tho
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23:56:00petur11MHz: 15->27 45MHz: 60.5->105.5 124MHz: 137.5->171
23:56:11Davide-NYCHas the VMWare image been updated with make 3.81?
23:56:16dwihnoHow fast does the x5 boot the rockbox firmware?
23:56:41Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: No.
23:56:59bgmrkste: ty ty
23:57:07Davide-NYCI have to reinstall and start from scratch so I was hoping...
23:57:09amiconnThe lcd controller access timing is out of specs with that patch (cvs uses even more out of specs values, but since the cpu transfers aren't as closely together, it didn't matter as well)
23:57:31Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: It's not really a big deal that it's still using 3.8
23:58:00amiconnIf we want to stay within specs, we'd get 91fps at 45MHz, and 130fps at 124MHz (with the dma patch, without it it would of course be slower than with current cvs)
23:58:13Davide-NYCI will need to find instructions for DLing Unzipping, running config scripts and compiling after I get the VMWare back up
23:58:26Davide-NYC(refering to make3.81

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