#rockbox 2006-11-04

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#rockbox log for 2006-11-04

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00:26:47	amiconn	Now 10.5%
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00:54:06	TerrorByte	Been a long time.
00:54:38	petur	nah
00:54:44	TerrorByte	Since I've been on.
00:54:44	TerrorByte	Yes.
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00:56:17	TerrorByte	Wow, I can't spot a single change for the H10 in the last week.
00:56:19	TerrorByte	:(
00:56:39	TerrorByte	Hey, which players do NOT have the ability to load a specific firmware on startup?
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00:57:33	petur	TerrorByte: I spot several changes, but they aren't H10 specific, they are for most devices Rb works on
00:58:04	TerrorByte	Has interest in Rockbox dwindled? Or is it increasing?
00:58:13	petur	why?
00:58:19	TerrorByte	I'm just curious.
00:58:25	scorche	since when?
00:58:31	TerrorByte	Err..
00:58:39	TerrorByte	Let's say the past two or three months.
00:58:41	TerrorByte	Since then.
00:58:53	TerrorByte	And also, if you could tell me which players do NOT have the ability to load up a specific firmware on startup...
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00:59:04	scorche	i am not sure what you mean
00:59:06	petur	TerrorByte: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html
00:59:07	TerrorByte	I've heard you can boot up Rockbox or the original firmware on some players...
00:59:16	scorche	are you referring to ROLO or dual boot?
00:59:20	petur	TerrorByte: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
00:59:20	scorche	ah...dual boot
00:59:31	TerrorByte	ROLO as in the chocolate????
00:59:35	TerrorByte	That's the only ROLO I know.
00:59:38	TerrorByte	:)
00:59:38	*	petur mutters rtfws
00:59:56	TerrorByte	-_-;
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01:00:02	petur	ROckboxLOader
01:00:06	TerrorByte	Oh.
01:00:16	leftright	scorche: any news
01:00:28	scorche	i believe the H10 is the only one without dual boot atm
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01:00:42	scorche	(the x5 does right?)
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01:00:53	petur	only with a patch I think
01:01:06	scorche	then h10 and x5 ;)
01:01:13	TerrorByte	Aw...
01:01:20	TerrorByte	Damn.
01:01:24	TerrorByte	I would like dual boot.
01:01:36	TerrorByte	So I can record and listen to FM.
01:01:49	TerrorByte	Or record FM.
01:01:51	TerrorByte	:)
01:02:19	scorche	well, depending on the reason why there isnt dual-boot status, you may get that before it
01:03:08	TerrorByte	You mean get record/FM before dual-boot?
01:03:29	scorche	yes
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01:03:40	TerrorByte	I se.
01:03:41	TerrorByte	see*
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01:03:53	TerrorByte	Lol, I've made a list of items I'm waiting for :)
01:04:14	scorche	leftright: PM
01:04:23	scorche	...i know
01:04:45	leftright	thanks, I'm having oribs with this darn registering
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01:05:11	leftright	scorche: ok, let me know when you're ready
01:05:16	scorche	leftright: most clients have an auto-register function
01:05:28	leftright	must do that then
01:05:48	scorche	also, i already sent you the PM...you can read them, but any that you send back without registering, i wont get
01:06:46	TerrorByte	Anyone seen Superman Returns?
01:06:47	leftright	yep,
01:06:47	TerrorByte	Is it any good?
01:07:22	*	petur discovers the isp1362 won't do otg or host if you set its pin to device mode and slaps forehead three times
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01:07:43	leftright	Scorche, whenevr you're ready give me a shout, i pop in frequently
01:08:12	amiconn	Real-world mpegplayer speedup on X5 is 3%
01:08:19	scorche	leftright: i already sent you 4 messages
01:08:28	amiconn	Will test H300 again, then commit
01:08:39	scorche	and i sent them again..
01:08:50	leftright	yep got them thanks
01:10:18	leftright	scorche: i dont mind waiting, no problem
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01:12:18	petur	amiconn: how do you check fps in mpegplayer? I enabled it but I only see the upper half of the fps flashing very shortly
01:12:34	amiconn	Yes, if you play fullscreen
01:12:52	amiconn	It still flashes long enough to be recognisable
01:13:42	TerrorByte	Yep.
01:13:47	TerrorByte	'Tis only way.
01:13:56	TerrorByte	Hey, are you guys working on optimizing MPEGPlayer?
01:14:03	amiconn	You need a font with height <= 8 pixel to see the complete line
01:14:15	petur	amiconn: 12.5 on h300, is that possible?
01:14:28	amiconn	yes
01:14:36	amiconn	Depends a lot on the video though
01:14:38	TerrorByte	If I can help in some way, I will.
01:14:53	TerrorByte	I want sound on MPEG player eventually :)
01:14:58	*	amiconn should try to integrate mirak's emac idct next
01:15:17	rasher	I wonder if there'd be any interest in automatically generated Festival/eSpeak/flite voice files
01:15:25	TerrorByte	Well I'm off for now... Hectic week..
01:15:27	TerrorByte	Very sleepy.
01:15:29	TerrorByte	Good night.
01:15:36	linuxstb_	TerrorByte: You could experiment with different MPEG-2 encoders and find the optimal settings for use in Rockbox.
01:15:50	TerrorByte	I'll do that tomorrow linux.
01:15:58	TerrorByte	What are the main MPEG2 encoders?
01:16:16	linuxstb_	We could also do with some "real" test files (instead of computer-generated animation).
01:16:40	TerrorByte	I've tested real files.
01:16:47	rasher	Perhaps archive.org as something
01:16:50	TerrorByte	As in REAL video right?
01:17:02	rasher	Well, they do, but the trick is to find something suitable.
01:17:20	TerrorByte	I've tried videos of movies, video games, etc.
01:17:30	TerrorByte	I'll mess around with encoder settings tomorrow.
01:17:41	TerrorByte	But I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard very soon.
01:17:50	TerrorByte	Good night.
01:17:52	*	TerrorByte bids adieu
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01:17:55	rasher	I think linuxstb_ meant something that could be put on download.rockbox.org for consistent tests
01:18:08	linuxstb_	I did.
01:18:16	rasher	http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies should have something
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01:19:14	mirak	amiconn: libmpeg2 is probably a dead end for optimising.
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01:27:00	rasher	Does format-switching counts as a derivative?
01:27:07	rasher	It does, doesn't it?
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01:55:00	amiconn	mirak: Why do you think so?
01:56:34	mirak	amiconn: it's not maintened for more than 2 years, there are no docs, absolutely no comment, neither for methods or inside code.
01:56:50	amiconn	hmm.
01:56:57	mirak	but well it's the easiest to implement
01:57:11	mirak	and also well, it's said ffmpeg is a bit faster
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01:57:44	mirak	personnally I tried to see how we culd use iram buffers for libmpeg2, but it's like there is no way
01:58:12	mirak	but I might be wrong :)
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02:09:25	vertic23	hey
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03:06:47	edan	hey all
03:07:27	edan	when I ../tools/configure for the Nano and select "normal" I get this:
03:07:47	edan	[: 1406: ==: unexpected operator
03:10:00	vertic23	does anybody know where I can find a list with all codecs integrated in rockbox?
03:17:11	linuxstb	vertic23: The SoundCodecs wiki page.
03:17:21	linuxstb	(the table at the very bottom of the page)
03:19:05	linuxstb	edan: What OS are you using?
03:20:05	edan	linuxstb: Edgy
03:20:41	edan	I don't think it can be the album art patch. I didn't get that warning yesterday and I'm using the same version of the patches
03:21:33	vertic23	thanks - has anybody of you experience with trackerformats (I read about it) - it says that MOD is not yet functual - so... what about .xm, AHX, .ma, .PSID, .v2m, .vgz and so on?
03:21:33	edan	I updated cvs, applied the bmp_resize and albumart patches as I usually do and just today got that warning
03:22:43	edan	0 errors when I compile tho
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03:25:13	edan	damn! it's amazing how much faster it is copying rb to the nano using Linux than it is using Windows
03:25:18	edan	Windows takes ages
03:27:36	vertic23	yes edan: I experienced same - transfer speeds here @ windows are about 3-4-5 mb/s
03:27:44	vertic23	@ linux 1-2 mb/s more
03:27:56	vertic23	almost 8 mb/s sometimes
03:28:21	rasher	edan: My fault, sorry
03:28:36	edan	your fault?
03:28:40	edan	the warning?
03:28:42	rasher	Yup
03:29:00	edan	ok. it compiled ok. Should I not use it?
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03:30:02	rasher	oh yes, it's only relevant if you're building voice
03:30:09	edan	ah cool
03:30:11	edan	thanks rasher
03:30:29	terinjokes	i know nothing about compiling....
03:30:51	rasher	edan: which shell are you using?
03:31:15	edan	rasher: just GNOME terminal
03:31:29	terinjokes	is there any work being done on nano2?
03:32:12	rasher	edan: should be fixed if you update now
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03:33:16	edan	ok
03:34:35	rasher	Do you have time to test?
03:34:44	edan	yep
03:34:55	edan	updating now
03:37:54	edan	yep. that sorted it
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03:38:23	rasher	Excellent
03:38:33	edan	cheers rasher
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03:40:15	terinjokes	is rockbox going to add SIP support /sarcastic
03:42:06	vertic23	what's SIP?
03:43:55	terinjokes	yeah, SIP isn't widely known, it's VoIP
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04:08:46	Landus	Now that it's part of the official build, is the Last.fm log being put in another place than /.scrobbler.log?
04:08:55	Landus	Because it won't show up.
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04:25:59	vertic23	but terinjokes: not a bad idea though :P
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04:26:31	terinjokes	yeah, just waiting for the new ipod steamer
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07:02:00	Gnelik	Hi all
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08:15:57	lex_	how can i boot into apple os on my 5.5G? :)
08:16:09	lex_	i have never used rockloader before, always ipl2
08:20:09	Gnelik	How to start the original Apple Firmware
08:20:09	Gnelik	After a configurable period of inactivity, Rockbox will shut down and put your iPod into a power-saving deep sleep mode. You can also manually shut down Rockbox and your iPod by holding the play/pause button for about 4 seconds.
08:20:09	Gnelik	From this deep sleep mode, press MENU to wake up your ipod. If you keep your finger held on MENU whilst your iPod is booting, then the Rockbox bootloader will start the Apple firmware. Do not release the MENU button until you see the "Loading original firmware..." message on the screen.
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08:21:07	lex_	:)
08:21:27	lex_	yeah, it wasn't rewind like in ipll
08:21:33	lex_	thanks
08:27:45	lex_	my ipod wont boot to apple os, but i guess it even shouldn't
08:28:55	lex_	"Some things flat out don't work. Notably you can't boot back into the original firmware (or at least I can't) without reloading the original bootloader."
08:31:12	Gnelik	Who knows how do the work with nand/ata driver going???
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09:18:43	Gnelik	Is some one who developed ACTION_* parsing here?
09:19:45	amiconn	That would be JdGordon...
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09:21:45	Gnelik	I can't understand one thing in all menus BUTTON_SELECT open selected item but it don't want to do so in Plugin browser.
09:23:06	amiconn	Why? One point of the button action concept is to have consistent button mappings
09:23:30	Gnelik	I don know why.
09:23:47	Gnelik	The is only one ACTION_STD_OK declaration
09:23:50	amiconn	Besides, you can't just disable it for the plugin browser. The plugin browser is just a file browser like main browser, cfg browser, font browser etc
09:24:04	Gnelik	and it is BUTTON_SELECT\|BUTTON_REL
09:24:10	amiconn	Hmm, maybe I misunderstood?
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09:25:39	Gnelik	Nope
09:26:22	Gnelik	It alsow do so in theme and �� browser
09:26:51	Gnelik	I think it conected with file browsing
09:27:14	amiconn	Do you mean it doesn't react on SELECT but it should?
09:27:21	Gnelik	Yep
09:27:28	amiconn	What target?
09:27:32	Gnelik	e200
09:27:36	amiconn	ah
09:27:42	Gnelik	sim
09:28:02	amiconn	Guess there's a quirk in the button map. It's very early...
09:28:30	Gnelik	heh, i try to create a keymap
09:30:06	amiconn	Isn't there one already?
09:31:52	Gnelik	It is, but it is H10's with replaced button names
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09:32:45	amiconn	From a quick glance this keymap does indeed look strange
09:33:15	Gnelik	It works ok
09:34:10	Gnelik	But buttons do strange things
09:34:55	Gnelik	for example: play/stop is center select button
09:35:33	Gnelik	but it must be button_up because it has play/stop icon
09:35:37	Gnelik	etc.
09:36:27	Gnelik	Sorry for my bad English i am Ukrainian
09:40:10	amiconn	Yes that's what I mean, buttons do strange things
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09:40:47	amiconn	I would expect Select to be the default OK action, long Select to be the context menu etc
09:41:05	amiconn	Note that I don't have a Sansa
09:41:14	Gnelik	Yes,yes
09:41:30	Gnelik	I try to do select ACTION_STD_OK
09:42:00	Gnelik	but dont work normaly
09:42:31	amiconn	So if you changed ACTION_STD_OK and it works in the menus but not in the browser, there must be some mapping for Select in the tree context that "shadows" the default
09:43:03	Gnelik	[10:23] Gnelik: The is only one ACTION_STD_OK declaration
09:43:48	amiconn	That's not what I mean
09:44:04	amiconn	Contexts are chained, and the default context comes last
09:44:46	amiconn	The browser uses CONTEXT_TREE
09:45:40	amiconn	So if that context, or any context chained to that which comes before the default context defines an action on Select, it would ovverride the default Select action
09:46:25	amiconn	In button_context_listtree_scroll_with_combo[] :
09:46:45	amiconn	mno, not there
09:47:11	amiconn	In button_context_tree[]:
09:47:16	amiconn	{ ACTION_TREE_WPS, BUTTON_SELECT\|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_SELECT },
09:47:16	amiconn	{ ACTION_TREE_STOP, BUTTON_SELECT\|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_SELECT },
09:47:42	amiconn	That needs to be changed...
09:48:01	Gnelik	Changed, making now....
09:50:26	Gnelik	Yes!
09:50:31	Gnelik	It works
09:50:40	Gnelik	Thank you a lot!
09:56:41	amiconn	np
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11:28:13	petur	wiki
11:28:38	petur	bbl
11:28:49	lubot	bbl? whats bbl?
11:29:15	scorche	be back later
11:29:31	lubot	hehe ok
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12:07:39	Topic	"www.rockbox.org is still the place" by scorche (i=ScorchE@cpe-76-171-123-86.socal.res.rr.com)
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12:13:23	lex_	wtf freenode ;(
12:13:32	lex_	(13:13:12) [orwell] -!- Nick Lex is already in use
12:13:32	lex_	(13:13:28) [orwell] -!- There is no such nick Lex
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12:13:53	scorche	if you have it registered, use the ghost command
12:14:07	lex_	i don't have
12:14:12	lex_	someone else does, and he ircs one time a month
12:14:18	scorche	ah...then your loss
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12:15:25	lex_	yep yep
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12:15:49	lex_	this fade in and fade out backlight owns :)
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12:34:48	*	hcs hasn't found it yet...
12:37:41	linuxstb	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755
12:38:16	hcs	ah, cool
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12:40:37	hcs	now to pick up a wikipedia dump
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13:07:44	Gena	is there an option to flip the display when i plug the charger in?
13:09:12	linuxstb	No
13:09:38	Gena	:/
13:12:44	hcs	I'm noticing the channel switching behavior with freq scaling on my ipod color now, perhaps something has changed lately?
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13:57:35	kridian	hey.. quick question; why does the ipod nano become so incredibly slow with file transfers (usb) when using rockbox firmware?
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14:03:13	Febs	kridian, Rockbox uses the ipod's emergency disk mode. Reboot into the Apple firmware if you want full high-speed USB.
14:03:20	JdGordon	nice n busy in here today :p
14:04:18	kridian	Febs: any specific key sequence to boot into the apple firmware? my 56k internet isnt the fastest available for loading websites
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14:06:35	kridian	ah found it thx
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14:07:41	JdGordon	does anyone know if there is a #define for if the target doesnt use a hard disk?
14:10:15	obo	AFAIK only #if defined(IPOD_NANO) \|\| defined(HAVE_MMC)
14:11:01	JdGordon	there is HAVE_FLASH_DISK, that might be ok.... does the targets with HAVE_MMC not have internal memory?
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14:12:16	obo	that's only defined for the ifp-7xx - I /think/ it used to be used elsewhere but was removed???
14:12:29	JdGordon	which HAVE_FLASH_DISK?
14:12:44	obo	yup
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14:12:55	JdGordon	i found it in the nano config...
14:13:00	JdGordon	ill use both i guess
14:14:10	obo	I'm going mad - it's not in config-ipodnano.h ??
14:14:56	JdGordon	im boviously drunk... where the heck did i see it? ;p
14:15:15	obo	./firmware/export/config-ifp7xx.h:#define HAVE_FLASH_DISK
14:15:15	obo	./firmware/SOURCES:#ifdef HAVE_FLASH_DISK
14:15:19	JdGordon	ah, woops, ok i found it in sourced
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14:27:20	strid	I booted my ipod 5g into the original ipod firmware, and now I can't remember how to boot it back into rockbox
14:27:23	strid	he;lp
14:27:32	obo	reboot by holding menu+select
14:27:49	strid	then what
14:27:57	obo	then it reboots :)
14:28:03	strid	into the original firmware, yeah
14:28:17	obo	no, back to the rockbox bootloader
14:28:22	strid	no, it
14:28:23	strid	oh snap
14:28:29	strid	someone's fucked with it
14:28:29	SoulDeaD	maby you have forgotten installing the bootloader?
14:28:41	strid	that's what I get for leaving it around
14:28:47	obo	has itunes had a chance to update the firmware??
14:28:55	strid	some asshole hooks it up to itunes and decides to update it.
14:28:59	strid	great.
14:29:05	strid	it looks like it, eah
14:29:06	obo	yeah, you'll need to reinstall the bootloader
14:29:06	strid	yeah*
14:29:10	strid	bah
14:30:25	amiconn	JdGordon: HAVE_FLASH_DISK is iFP7xx only - the nano uses the standard ata driver, even if it doesn't have a mechanical harddisk
14:30:38	JdGordon	ah ok
14:30:40	strid	I haven't saved any of the stuff I used from the last time this happened to my ipod
14:30:42	JdGordon	and the ondios?
14:30:48	strid	can anyone tell me where to begin
14:30:53	amiconn	HAVE_MMC is defined for the Ondios - and they have an internal flash chip as well as an MMC slot
14:31:23	strid	doing this should be sufficient I guess http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2
14:31:28	JdGordon	so its only the sim which doesnt use ata.c ?
14:31:44	obo	strid: yup
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14:32:00	amiconn	?
14:32:14	SoulDeaD	strid if your info is untouched just install the bootloader
14:32:15	JdGordon	dw
14:32:27	amiconn	ata.c is used on targets with ata hardware, i.e. all harddisk targets plus the nano
14:33:03	amiconn	iFP7xx and Ondios don't use t
14:33:10	strid	SoulDeaD, it should be.
14:33:41	JdGordon	ok
14:33:59	JdGordon	i think ive got this callback stuff working.. now all i need is a way to test it properly :p
14:34:48	strid	oh what the fuck
14:34:57	strid	"Connect to your computer. Use iTunes to restore."
14:35:24	strid	not cool
14:35:28	strid	what do I do D:
14:35:42	linuxstb	Connect to your computer and use iTunes to restore?
14:35:44	linuxstb	:)
14:35:47	strid	no way!
14:36:01	strid	hey, that's weird, the Do not disconnect thing is black and white now
14:36:03	strid	ut oh
14:37:12	JdGordon	does the codec stuff have a function that can be called to get it to fill its buffer?
14:37:54	strid	eerie.
14:38:12	strid	well, how do I revert what I just did with the bootloader installation detailed at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2 ?
14:38:26	strid	if at all possible
14:39:29	strid	also, could that error message mean that my rockbox firmware was wiped by the itunes/ipod update?
14:40:49	SoulDeaD	did you check the original firmware version?
14:41:13	linuxstb	strid: That error message means you made a mistake installing the Rockbox bootloader.
14:41:27	strid	so should I just do ipodpatcher.exe -w N bootpartition.bin
14:41:28	strid	then try again?
14:41:44	linuxstb	The Rockbox firmware itself is the rockbox.ipod file and .rockbox folder on your ipod, which should still be there.
14:41:46	strid	or can I just repeat the bootloader installation process
14:42:16	linuxstb	The bootloader installation process only works if your ipod is working... So yes, try the "-w N bootpartition.bin" command to restore it.
14:42:49	linuxstb	Make sure you wait for long enough before disconnecting your ipod - you should be able to see a hard disk activity icon on your ipod's LCD.
14:43:15	strid	I can't see an icon, but it should be done when cmd lets go of the .exe
14:43:36	linuxstb	If you can't see an icon, then it's done.
14:44:05	strid	thar she boots
14:44:09	JdGordon	w00t.. i tihnk this works :D
14:44:14	strid	trying the bootloader again, hopefully with less typos this time
14:45:26	linuxstb	Copy and paste is useful....
14:46:29	strid	error message again, I guess I'll have to resort to copy/paste.
14:46:43	SoulDeaD	strid did you check the firmware version
14:46:52	SoulDeaD	i think there were things dependent on it
14:47:05	strid	how do I check that?
14:47:10	SoulDeaD	try to restore it and boot itunes, then check the version
14:47:18	strid	I don't have itunes installed
14:47:19	SoulDeaD	ipod, right?
14:47:22	strid	yeah, 5g
14:47:28	linuxstb	No, nothing is dependent on firmware version for the 5g.
14:47:33	strid	restoring blanks it, doesn't it
14:47:34	SoulDeaD	ahm
14:47:37	SoulDeaD	my mistake
14:47:46	linuxstb	It's only the Nano that needs different instructions for different Apple firmware versions.
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14:49:05	SoulDeaD	ahm
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14:49:08	SoulDeaD	i have nano...
14:50:32	strid	stranger and stranger
14:50:40	strid	strictly copy/pasting (and replacing N) gives me this
14:50:40	strid	Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video
14:50:40	strid	Cannot open loader image file bootloader-video.bin
14:51:01	SoulDeaD	you have a typo somewhere
14:51:13	SoulDeaD	check it more careful
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14:52:49	PaulJam	have you downloaded the file bootloader-video.bim?
14:53:00	PaulJam	bin
14:53:08	strid	hahaha
14:53:13	strid	that's what I realized five seconds ago
14:53:19	SoulDeaD	:)
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14:54:40	strid	ahh, there we go
14:54:45	strid	fully operational.
14:56:11	strid	now to download the latest build and see if it blows up again
14:59:55	strid	yep, works fine
14:59:58	JdGordon	midkay_: fs 6289
14:59:59	strid	thanks for the help, guys :)
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15:04:51	bundik	i made another battery_bench on my X5L; without ReplayGain, crossfeed and without remote plugged in; an hour better as they were on/plugged
15:05:33	bundik	so it came to 31:31 .. see there: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/view.php?file=iaudiox5l-2006-11-04-1.txt
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15:10:18	linuxstb	31 hours ? What does the cowon firmware achieve on your player?
15:10:26	linuxstb	That's like 6 ipods.... :)
15:11:21	lostlogic	lol, we're British English now are we? someone should make a us_en.lang file then :-P
15:13:14	bundik	linuxstb, I don't know, haven't tried ... but acording to http://www.mp3.com/features/stories/3646.html ~27 hours
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15:16:11	linuxstb	lostlogic: It's always been real English - check colour :)
15:17:29	JdGordon	linuxstb: doesnt changing the <source> break other lang files?
15:18:02	linuxstb	JdGordon: I don't know. Someone please tell me...
15:18:21	JdGordon	i _think_ it does
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15:24:38	linuxstb	i.e. why does the english.lang need both a source: and dest: ? Also, is the source: field in the non-English .lang files actually used for anything apart from as a convenient reference for translators?
15:25:22	JdGordon	i think source is used by the script to make the .lng file also? and english.lng needs to be "compiled" also
15:26:35	linuxstb	But source: and dest: appear to be identical for every string in english.lang.
15:26:52	linuxstb	And "dest:" in every file appears to contain the required string.
15:27:43	JdGordon	source and dest beign the same in english i guess is because its easier than trying to think of a uniqe shorter version or something? dest is the translated strgin
15:28:10	linuxstb	Isn't the "ID" the unique identifier though?
15:28:14	JdGordon	yeah, i tihnk you better change the source part of the patch back
15:28:29	JdGordon	ID is for the code
15:30:27	linuxstb	Looking at genlang, it appears that source is used to identify when a translated string needs to be updated - i.e. if the source: in english.lang has changed, that implies the other languages need changing. So yes, in this case, the source; should stay the same, so I'll fix.
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15:33:17	JdG\|zzzz	does anyone know if its possible to get ktorrent to shutdown when its finished downloading?
15:33:23	JdG\|zzzz	shutdown the computer i mean
15:36:04	linuxstb	No idea, but you could issue a "shutown -h HH:MM" command to shutdown at a specific time.
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15:36:57	linuxstb	s/shutown/shutdown/
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16:07:29	Jungti1234	hi all!
16:07:50	Jungti1234	long time no see, guys
16:09:15	Jungti1234	anyone?
16:14:29	petur	hey Jungti1234!
16:16:23	*	petur goes on with cleaning the house... (bbl)
16:16:49	Jungti1234	hehe hi
16:17:27	petur	nice to see you again... but no time for a chat now... later
16:17:39	Jungti1234	ok, later~
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16:20:51	Jungti1234	what is Last.fm Log?
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16:28:00	Jungti1234	music site? hahaha
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16:29:49	Soap	it creates a log of everything you have listened to on your player, for submission with a third party app/script to Last.FM.
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16:32:49	Jungti1234	oh, manual
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16:48:25	Gena	hmm... do i need a specific version of binutils and gcc to build rockbox for X5?
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16:52:53	obo	yes - easiest way is to run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script
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16:59:13	SoulDeaD	last time it was always rebooting, and this time just says rockbox loaded and does nothing
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17:08:09	dvp	Anybody got any experience with masc3500 ?
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17:17:33	[g2]	http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/DM320_Platform_licensing_issues
17:17:44	[g2]	Does anyone know anything about that ?
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17:29:41	obo	[g2]: I guess you need Bagder or LinusN (Daniel and Linus from the google thread in the page you linked)
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17:40:03	linuxstb_	g2: My understanding is that the DM320 contains an ARM core, plus a DSP. The code that runs on the DSP will be closed-sourced, and will export an API accessible from the main, open source firmware.
17:40:53	linuxstb_	This is simiilar to the MAS dsp in the Archos devices Rockbox runs on.
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17:46:04	[g2]	obo I don't have a google thread someone pointed me directly to that page
17:46:48	obo	there is one on that page, titled "this thread"
17:47:09	[g2]	linuxstb_ you are correct, there is an ARM 926-ejs core and a TI DSP on the TI chip
17:47:14	[g2]	obo ok thx
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18:23:35	Davide-NYC	I read the logs but didn't see anything recent
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18:55:35	Gnelik	Where can i take arm-elf-gcc for linux???
18:56:40	linuxstb_	Easiest way is to use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script in the Rockbox source to download and build it.
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19:40:57	[g2]	linuxstb_ which version of gcc/binutils are you using ?
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19:52:00	[g2]	can anybody comment about the Sansa e2xx series port or JTAG access on the devie ?
19:52:04	[g2]	device
19:52:34	joshin	[g2], Nothing beyond http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.375
19:53:03	[g2]	hey joshin :)
19:53:07	joshin	:)
19:53:12	[g2]	thx
19:53:24	[g2]	are you running Rockbox on the slug ?
19:53:58	joshin	Nope. I have a Sansa E260 that I would love to have Rockbox for.
19:54:59	*	[g2] has a e260 also
19:55:22	[g2]	Ok, it's my kids, but I make the kid turn it over to me :)
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19:56:11	joshin	:) Mine is for when I go jogging. Of course most of my music has been ripped to OGG format so that's my main reason for wanting Rockbox.
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20:00:39	linuxstb	[g2]: I have binutils 2.16.1 and arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 but I rockboxdev.sh should download the latest recommended versions for each target CPU you want to build for.
20:01:58	[g2]	linuxstb_ are you main developer ?
20:02:22	*	[g2] can't type worth sh** today.... are you a main developer ?
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20:04:10	odla	how do i know what generation my ipod nano is?
20:04:16	odla	i bought it in may
20:05:27	Soap	odla - metal body or plastic face?
20:06:00	Soap	1st generation had stainless steel backs and white or black plastic faces like the full size ipod.
20:06:07	obo	may = 1st gen
20:06:09	Soap	2nd generation has an all aluminum body.
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20:07:06	odla	plastic face
20:07:26	barrywardell	[g2]: this might be a little help: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200-devboard.html
20:07:41	barrywardell	i've tried using JTAG with my h10 which has a similar chip in it too
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20:09:58	Arathis	what would have to be done to port supertux to rockbox besides resizing the images? or is this impossible at all?
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20:11:57	blue_lizard	What is SuperTux?
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20:12:04	blue_lizard	software and OpenGL rendering modes,
20:12:14	blue_lizard	what do they mean with software mesa?
20:12:23	blue_lizard	then it is not possible
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20:13:32	blue_lizard	others may say that everything is possible, it is only a question of effort
20:15:13	linuxstb_	First problem - it's written in C++.
20:16:22	linuxstb_	Second problem - it seems to contain a lot of floating point maths...
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20:19:12	linuxstb_	Arathis: If you're serious, you should contact the supertux developers and ask their opinion. They should know what sort of computing power is needed to run the game. But it would be a significant amount of work.
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20:21:29	odla	ah what's the select button on my ipod :(
20:22:11	linuxstb_	The one in the middle.
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20:29:31	odla	so would i just sync music as normal with rockbox like in gtkpod?
20:31:39	odla	ok i have music on my ipod but i'm not sure how to access it :/
20:31:44	odla	i am reading the manual
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20:34:37	odla	oh sweet :D
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20:36:18	odla	this is excellent :D
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20:58:03	[g2]	anybody know how to release the sansa from it's inner case ?
20:58:31	[g2]	I've got an e260
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21:00:49	*	[g2] wonders if need to unclip the screen
21:00:58	[g2]	LCD
21:08:28	joshin	[g2] no you dont need to remove the LCD screen
21:08:32	joshin	Did you take the covers off?
21:08:41	joshin	Got all the screws out?
21:08:53	joshin	Pry it out gently starting from the bottom
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21:09:37	joshin	I took mine completely apart to see how hard it would be to replace the LCD. Mine broke somehow (which is why Sandisk has it now)
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21:15:01	[g2]	joshin I think prying from the bottom is the issue :)
21:15:49	[g2]	joshin or was the LCD broke before you opened it ?
21:16:25	joshin	It was broke before.
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21:25:08	[g2]	joshin it's out :)
21:25:10	[g2]	thx
21:25:44	joshin	:)
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21:43:52	[g2]	joshin Ok e260 disassembled and reassembled
21:43:59	[g2]	and still works :)
21:44:24	joshin	What about that hair that is now between the LCD and the outside cover?
21:44:40	[g2]	heh
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21:45:07	[g2]	joshin this is just a warm-up for soldering a JTAG header on
21:45:17	joshin	:)
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22:36:02	petur	urgh.. my squeezebox2 died :(
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22:37:26	sponge_	can anyone tell me the mAh from the iAUDIO X5L ?
22:40:21	amiconn	jhMikeS: Here are my estimations (educated guesses) for the refresh rate with DMA LCD update on X5 (and 32 bit framebuffer): 11MHz: 25fps, 45MHz: 84fps, 124MHz: 113fps
22:40:50	petur	why is it so slow?
22:41:08	amiconn	Note that this calculation includes fixed lcd waitstates (still exceeding the specs by about 10%, i.e. 180ns cycle time instead of the required 200ns)
22:41:20	petur	isn't the lcd even smaller than h3x0?
22:41:33	amiconn	Yes it is, but we need to move twice the data per pixel
22:41:51	amiconn	...and the minimum cycle time is longer (200ns instead of 150ns on H300)
22:42:06	jhMikeS	That's down for 124 but would benefit 45. I don't know the speed at 11MHz
22:42:26	amiconn	Yes it is down for 124MHz because of the fixed timings
22:42:41	amiconn	Are there reports for display content corruption on X5?
22:42:56	jhMikeS	With the smaller driver size could use both.
22:43:35	jhMikeS	I haven't heard of any reports like that.
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22:43:57	amiconn	The 124MHz fps is _not_ down due to using DMA, it's down due to using nearly correct timing
22:44:15	jhMikeS	sponge_: I'm think it's 2250
22:44:33	sponge_	okay, thanks
22:44:36	amiconn	Currently we're driving the X5 LCD faster than the H300 LCD, even though the specs are the other way round
22:45:07	jhMikeS	I've never seen a corrupt display from anything other that my own experimenting.
22:46:53	jhMikeS	Scotty I want more than full power! :)
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22:49:25	jhMikeS	I did get that buffer allocation stuff pretty straightened out. You don't even know how bad it was. If the buffer was used and wrote over pcm buffer structures, they were never reinitialized properly. I hereby deprecate the use of talk_buffer_steal for anything other than the allocators.
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22:51:09	amiconn	jhMikeS: As long as you don't change the way talk_buffer_steal works on archos, I don't think there will be a problem
22:51:30	jhMikeS	no change there
22:52:15	amiconn	The original purpose of talk_buffer_steal was to tell the voice engine that something took its buffer away, and the voice file must be reloaded the next time a voice clip needs to be played
22:52:30	jhMikeS	of course the improvements come with the recording stuff (which is about ready) because they're nescessary for it.
22:52:35	amiconn	On archos, voice & main audio share the same buffer
22:53:05	jhMikeS	talk buffer steal always threw away 32KB every time it was called on SWCODEC! But now it allocates the thumbnail buffer once.
22:53:17	amiconn	...due to 2 reasons: (1) There wouldn't be enough ram to fit both at once. (2) hwcodec can't play audio and voice at the same time anyway
22:54:10	jhMikeS	yes, I do understand that. It's still useful on SWCODEC to initialize the thumnail buffer any notify voice of the trashed state.
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22:55:58	jhMikeS	There's two functions now: audio_get_buffer (to be called by anything at all that wants the buffer, everywhere) and audio_get_recording_buffer. They're too dissimilar to combine.
22:56:22	amiconn	Did you have a look at buffer_alloc ?
22:57:02	jhMikeS	yes, it just chips bytes off the front of the buffer permanently. talk_buffer_steal uses it to allocate the thumbnail.
22:57:24	amiconn	Hmm, I checked the IRC logs. I though I read sth about glitchy screen on X5, but that was H300
22:57:27	jhMikeS	and now it doesn't leak away the memory
22:57:35	amiconn	(2006-10-31)
22:57:41	amiconn	21.52.05 # <salival> Hi, where can I find the LCD wait states? (they used to be in system.c)
22:57:48	amiconn	21.53.22 # <salival> I need these to resolve the glitchy screen error on my h300
22:58:33	*	amiconn would like to ask salival whether the increased waitstates introduced with DMA on H300 are enough to resolve those glitches
22:58:52	jhMikeS	Are they conservative in timing or a bit edgy?
22:59:14	amiconn	jhMikeS: The problem with out of specs timings is that it might work for 95% of all the devices out there, but cause glitches on the other 5%
22:59:50	amiconn	The current timings are still a bit above specs on H300: 129ns at 124 and 133ns at 45 (instead of 150ns)
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23:00:16	jhMikeS	true, but I'll likely be in the 95% group :)
23:00:48	jhMikeS	Is that per line?
23:00:58	amiconn	Per pixel
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23:01:10	jhMikeS	ah..ok
23:01:34	amiconn	No waitstates at 45MHz and 4 waitstates at 124MHz
23:01:58	amiconn	(for in-specs timings we would need 1 and 7 on H300)
23:02:30	jhMikeS	I don't even know how to set that stuff up yet.
23:02:54	amiconn	X5 would be worse if we want to stay in specs
23:03:06	amiconn	(erm, H300 uses 5 waitstates at 124MHz)
23:03:44	amiconn	4 are enough for glitch-free display on _my_ H300 and at least 2 others, but I like to stay on the safe side
23:03:57	amiconn	Maybe we can get away with the same timing on X5
23:04:20	amiconn	...provided that we do want DMA and a 32 bit framebuffer with an ugly pixel format
23:04:26	jhMikeS	Why do we need wait states for DMA and not for normal operation?
23:05:09	amiconn	We do need waitstates for normal operation as well, but less, because the write instructions cause a little extra latency
23:05:26	jhMikeS	The pixel format's pretty easy to deal with. I don't mind it really. Was fairly easy to make it all work. Just had to patchup stuff that assumes color is 565.
23:06:15	jhMikeS	makes sense...guess you get the extra cycles out of that
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23:06:53	amiconn	In fact I don't like the current timing on X5 at all. It works, but I can't really tell what our effective cycle time is now
23:08:16	jhMikeS	If I had a device I was ok disassembling I could just hook up my scope, darn
23:08:40	amiconn	My scope is too slow to capture such signals
23:08:44	jhMikeS	then again, the back of the LCD lense needs cleaning
23:09:25	amiconn	I already had problems capturing the MMC clock in the Ondio. That's 3MHZ
23:09:27	jhMikeS	should be watchable on a 60Mhz scope
23:10:27	amiconn	Hmm, I didn't remember correctly
23:10:39	jhMikeS	what's that?
23:10:49	amiconn	The MMC clock worked, but CPU clock was above specs
23:10:54	amiconn	10MHz scope
23:11:32	amiconn	Anyway, a logic analyser would be better for that job
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23:12:01	amiconn	(or a digital scope of course)
23:12:04	jhMikeS	well, Linus has that and devices already apart afaik
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23:36:26	jhMikeS	petur: should I put the whopper up tonight? It's working well. Had quirks turning the digial out on and off (CVS probably already does) but I don't wanna add more atm...no more, please! :)
23:37:00	petur	if you mean posting another patch, sure...
23:37:13	jhMikeS	no, I mean committing it. it's about time.
23:37:18	petur	oh...
23:37:39	petur	well you were able to test so I trust you ;)
23:37:56	jhMikeS	it's been running and Davide-NYC put the SPDIF throught the paces and it all came out perfect
23:38:03	petur	nice
23:38:15	petur	then go ahead I'd say
23:39:07	[g2]	jhMikeS are you familiar with a lot many of the different LCDs ?
23:39:12	jhMikeS	I'm just wondering how I should provide the change statement...if I put everything there in the -m, it'll be a book.
23:39:26	petur	:)
23:39:54	petur	just write MRP
23:39:56	jhMikeS	I'll figure a way to be descriptive but concise.
23:40:22	jhMikeS	[g2]: not really, just x5 stuff atm
23:41:03	jhMikeS	I guess somewhat on H300 since they're similar
23:41:16	jhMikeS	but hardly the same
23:41:29	[g2]	jhMikeS ok thx
23:42:13	jhMikeS	petur: write MRP? :?
23:42:28	petur	monster recording patch ;)
23:42:51	jhMikeS	I was thinking "some small recording tweaks"
23:42:59	petur	rofl
23:43:18	jhMikeS	10,000 tiny tweaks
23:43:24	petur	indeed
23:43:57	*	petur is pissed about his broken squeezebox2 :/
23:44:54	jhMikeS	that sucks
23:45:46	petur	I fear that sending it to the US for repair and getting it back + repair costs will amount to a new player
23:47:33	*	petur discovers that pc soundeffects aren't played on the rear speaker outputs of his pc and connects those to his stereo
23:47:36	jhMikeS	dunno. one of those thing ya gotta just ask 'em about I guess
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23:48:14	petur	Yeah... their support mailaddress bounced so I posted in the forum
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23:50:35	jhMikeS	they don't make the 2 anymore? I just see the squeezebox there
23:50:50	petur	no, only the 3 and transporter
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23:52:16	petur	everybody says the transporter sounds way better but not 6x which is about the price difference
23:52:20	[g2]	do that ARM targets run LE ?
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23:52:39	petur	please stay off topic ;)
23:53:33	jhMikeS	:D
23:54:19	linuxstb_	[g2]: All the current Rockbox ones do, yes.
23:54:50	[g2]	linuxstb_ do you know if the PP chips run BE ?
23:55:01	markun	petur: is it common for bootleggers to use a external DAC?
23:55:29	petur	ADC you mean? many do yes
23:55:37	linuxstb_	[g2]: As far as I know, they can do, yes.
23:57:07	markun	petur: yes, ADC, sorry. Do some of them support i2s or mostly spdif? (because we can access the i2s pins of the Gigabeat through the dock connector)
23:57:23	petur	spdif
23:57:42	petur	haven't heared of external i2s devices
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23:58:48	markun	ok, we could try to make a dock connector with spdif (in and out) then

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