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#rockbox log for 2006-11-04

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00:26:47amiconnNow 10.5%
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00:54:06TerrorByteBeen a long time.
00:54:44TerrorByteSince I've been on.
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00:56:17TerrorByteWow, I can't spot a single change for the H10 in the last week.
00:56:39TerrorByteHey, which players do NOT have the ability to load a specific firmware on startup?
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00:57:33peturTerrorByte: I spot several changes, but they aren't H10 specific, they are for most devices Rb works on
00:58:04TerrorByteHas interest in Rockbox dwindled? Or is it increasing?
00:58:19TerrorByteI'm just curious.
00:58:25scorchesince when?
00:58:39TerrorByteLet's say the past two or three months.
00:58:41TerrorByteSince then.
00:58:53TerrorByteAnd also, if you could tell me which players do NOT have the ability to load up a specific firmware on startup...
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00:59:04scorchei am not sure what you mean
00:59:07TerrorByteI've heard you can boot up Rockbox or the original firmware on some players...
00:59:16scorcheare you referring to ROLO or dual boot?
00:59:20scorcheah...dual boot
00:59:31TerrorByteROLO as in the chocolate????
00:59:35TerrorByteThat's the only ROLO I know.
00:59:38*petur mutters rtfws
01:00:16leftrightscorche: any news
01:00:28scorchei believe the H10 is the only one without dual boot atm
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01:00:42scorche(the x5 does right?)
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01:00:53peturonly with a patch I think
01:01:06scorchethen h10 and x5 ;)
01:01:24TerrorByteI would like dual boot.
01:01:36TerrorByteSo I can record and listen to FM.
01:01:49TerrorByteOr record FM.
01:02:19scorchewell, depending on the reason why there isnt dual-boot status, you may get that before it
01:03:08TerrorByteYou mean get record/FM before dual-boot?
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01:03:40TerrorByteI se.
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01:03:53TerrorByteLol, I've made a list of items I'm waiting for :)
01:04:14scorcheleftright: PM
01:04:23scorche...i know
01:04:45leftrightthanks, I'm having oribs with this darn registering
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01:05:11leftrightscorche: ok, let me know when you're ready
01:05:16scorcheleftright: most clients have an auto-register function
01:05:28leftrightmust do that then
01:05:48scorchealso, i already sent you the can read them, but any that you send back without registering, i wont get
01:06:46TerrorByteAnyone seen Superman Returns?
01:06:47TerrorByteIs it any good?
01:07:22*petur discovers the isp1362 won't do otg or host if you set its pin to device mode and slaps forehead three times
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01:07:43leftrightScorche, whenevr you're ready give me a shout, i pop in frequently
01:08:12amiconnReal-world mpegplayer speedup on X5 is 3%
01:08:19scorcheleftright: i already sent you 4 messages
01:08:28amiconnWill test H300 again, then commit
01:08:39scorcheand i sent them again..
01:08:50leftrightyep got them thanks
01:10:18leftrightscorche: i dont mind waiting, no problem
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01:12:18peturamiconn: how do you check fps in mpegplayer? I enabled it but I only see the upper half of the fps flashing very shortly
01:12:34amiconnYes, if you play fullscreen
01:12:52amiconnIt still flashes long enough to be recognisable
01:13:47TerrorByte'Tis only way.
01:13:56TerrorByteHey, are you guys working on optimizing MPEGPlayer?
01:14:03amiconnYou need a font with height <= 8 pixel to see the complete line
01:14:15peturamiconn: 12.5 on h300, is that possible?
01:14:36amiconnDepends a lot on the video though
01:14:38TerrorByteIf I can help in some way, I will.
01:14:53TerrorByteI want sound on MPEG player eventually :)
01:14:58*amiconn should try to integrate mirak's emac idct next
01:15:17rasherI wonder if there'd be any interest in automatically generated Festival/eSpeak/flite voice files
01:15:25TerrorByteWell I'm off for now... Hectic week..
01:15:27TerrorByteVery sleepy.
01:15:29TerrorByteGood night.
01:15:36linuxstb_TerrorByte: You could experiment with different MPEG-2 encoders and find the optimal settings for use in Rockbox.
01:15:50TerrorByteI'll do that tomorrow linux.
01:15:58TerrorByteWhat are the main MPEG2 encoders?
01:16:16linuxstb_We could also do with some "real" test files (instead of computer-generated animation).
01:16:40TerrorByteI've tested real files.
01:16:47rasherPerhaps as something
01:16:50TerrorByteAs in REAL video right?
01:17:02rasherWell, they do, but the trick is to find something suitable.
01:17:20TerrorByteI've tried videos of movies, video games, etc.
01:17:30TerrorByteI'll mess around with encoder settings tomorrow.
01:17:41TerrorByteBut I'm going to fall asleep on my keyboard very soon.
01:17:50TerrorByteGood night.
01:17:52*TerrorByte bids adieu
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01:17:55rasherI think linuxstb_ meant something that could be put on for consistent tests
01:18:08linuxstb_I did.
01:18:16rasher should have something
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01:19:14mirakamiconn: libmpeg2 is probably a dead end for optimising.
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01:26:20*rasher clicks random movies, and they're ALL by-nd-nc
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01:27:00rasherDoes format-switching counts as a derivative?
01:27:07rasherIt does, doesn't it?
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01:55:00amiconnmirak: Why do you think so?
01:56:34mirakamiconn: it's not maintened for more than 2 years, there are no docs, absolutely no comment, neither for methods or inside code.
01:56:57mirakbut well it's the easiest to implement
01:57:11mirakand also well, it's said ffmpeg is a bit faster
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01:57:44mirakpersonnally I tried to see how we culd use iram buffers for libmpeg2, but it's like there is no way
01:58:12mirakbut I might be wrong :)
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03:06:47edanhey all
03:07:27edanwhen I ../tools/configure for the Nano and select "normal" I get this:
03:07:47edan[: 1406: ==: unexpected operator
03:10:00vertic23does anybody know where I can find a list with all codecs integrated in rockbox?
03:17:11linuxstbvertic23: The SoundCodecs wiki page.
03:17:21linuxstb(the table at the very bottom of the page)
03:19:05linuxstbedan: What OS are you using?
03:20:05edanlinuxstb: Edgy
03:20:41edanI don't think it can be the album art patch. I didn't get that warning yesterday and I'm using the same version of the patches
03:21:33vertic23thanks - has anybody of you experience with trackerformats (I read about it) - it says that MOD is not yet functual - so... what about .xm, AHX, .ma, .PSID, .v2m, .vgz and so on?
03:21:33edanI updated cvs, applied the bmp_resize and albumart patches as I usually do and just today got that warning
03:22:43edan0 errors when I compile tho
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03:25:13edandamn! it's amazing how much faster it is copying rb to the nano using Linux than it is using Windows
03:25:18edanWindows takes ages
03:27:36vertic23yes edan: I experienced same - transfer speeds here @ windows are about 3-4-5 mb/s
03:27:44vertic23@ linux 1-2 mb/s more
03:27:56vertic23almost 8 mb/s sometimes
03:28:21rasheredan: My fault, sorry
03:28:36edanyour fault?
03:28:40edanthe warning?
03:29:00edanok. it compiled ok. Should I not use it?
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03:30:02rasheroh yes, it's only relevant if you're building voice
03:30:09edanah cool
03:30:11edanthanks rasher
03:30:29terinjokesi know nothing about compiling....
03:30:51rasheredan: which shell are you using?
03:31:15edanrasher: just GNOME terminal
03:31:29terinjokesis there any work being done on nano2?
03:32:12rasheredan: should be fixed if you update now
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03:34:35rasherDo you have time to test?
03:34:55edanupdating now
03:37:54edanyep. that sorted it
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03:38:33edancheers rasher
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03:40:15terinjokesis rockbox going to add SIP support /sarcastic
03:42:06vertic23what's SIP?
03:43:55terinjokesyeah, SIP isn't widely known, it's VoIP
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04:08:46LandusNow that it's part of the official build, is the log being put in another place than /.scrobbler.log?
04:08:55LandusBecause it won't show up.
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04:25:59vertic23but terinjokes: not a bad idea though :P
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04:26:31terinjokesyeah, just waiting for the new ipod steamer
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07:02:00GnelikHi all
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08:15:57lex_how can i boot into apple os on my 5.5G? :)
08:16:09lex_i have never used rockloader before, always ipl2
08:20:09GnelikHow to start the original Apple Firmware
08:20:09GnelikAfter a configurable period of inactivity, Rockbox will shut down and put your iPod into a power-saving deep sleep mode. You can also manually shut down Rockbox and your iPod by holding the play/pause button for about 4 seconds.
08:20:09GnelikFrom this deep sleep mode, press MENU to wake up your ipod. If you keep your finger held on MENU whilst your iPod is booting, then the Rockbox bootloader will start the Apple firmware. Do not release the MENU button until you see the "Loading original firmware..." message on the screen.
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08:21:27lex_yeah, it wasn't rewind like in ipll
08:27:45lex_my ipod wont boot to apple os, but i guess it even shouldn't
08:28:55lex_"Some things flat out don't work. Notably you can't boot back into the original firmware (or at least I can't) without reloading the original bootloader."
08:31:12GnelikWho knows how do the work with nand/ata driver going???
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09:18:43GnelikIs some one who developed ACTION_* parsing here?
09:19:45amiconnThat would be JdGordon...
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09:21:45GnelikI can't understand one thing in all menus BUTTON_SELECT open selected item but it don't want to do so in Plugin browser.
09:23:06amiconnWhy? One point of the button action concept is to have consistent button mappings
09:23:30GnelikI don know why.
09:23:47GnelikThe is only one ACTION_STD_OK declaration
09:23:50amiconnBesides, you can't just disable it for the plugin browser. The plugin browser is just a file browser like main browser, cfg browser, font browser etc
09:24:04Gnelikand it is BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REL
09:24:10amiconnHmm, maybe I misunderstood?
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09:26:22GnelikIt alsow do so in theme and сап browser
09:26:51GnelikI think it conected with file browsing
09:27:14amiconnDo you mean it doesn't react on SELECT but it should?
09:27:28amiconnWhat target?
09:28:02amiconnGuess there's a quirk in the button map. It's very early...
09:28:30Gnelikheh, i try to create a keymap
09:30:06amiconnIsn't there one already?
09:31:52GnelikIt is, but it is H10's with replaced button names
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09:32:45amiconnFrom a quick glance this keymap does indeed look strange
09:33:15GnelikIt works ok
09:34:10GnelikBut buttons do strange things
09:34:55Gnelikfor example: play/stop is center select button
09:35:33Gnelikbut it must be button_up because it has play/stop icon
09:36:27GnelikSorry for my bad English i am Ukrainian
09:40:10amiconnYes that's what I mean, buttons do strange things
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09:40:47amiconnI would expect Select to be the default OK action, long Select to be the context menu etc
09:41:05amiconnNote that I don't have a Sansa
09:41:30GnelikI try to do select ACTION_STD_OK
09:42:00Gnelikbut dont work normaly
09:42:31amiconnSo if you changed ACTION_STD_OK and it works in the menus but not in the browser, there must be some mapping for Select in the tree context that "shadows" the default
09:43:03Gnelik[10:23] Gnelik: The is only one ACTION_STD_OK declaration
09:43:48amiconnThat's not what I mean
09:44:04amiconnContexts are chained, and the default context comes last
09:44:46amiconnThe browser uses CONTEXT_TREE
09:45:40amiconnSo if that context, or any context chained to that which comes before the default context defines an action on Select, it would ovverride the default Select action
09:46:25amiconnIn button_context_listtree_scroll_with_combo[] :
09:46:45amiconnmno, not there
09:47:11amiconnIn button_context_tree[]:
09:47:42amiconnThat needs to be changed...
09:48:01GnelikChanged, making now....
09:50:31GnelikIt works
09:50:40GnelikThank you a lot!
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10:49:49JdGordonhey all
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11:04:24peturany Swedes around?
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11:27:07lubothi. one question. where can i post my battery_bench?
11:28:49lubotbbl? whats bbl?
11:29:15scorchebe back later
11:29:31lubothehe ok
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11:32:00lubotseems too complicated to me. thanks and bye
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12:07:39Topic" is still the place" by scorche (
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12:13:23lex_wtf freenode ;(
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12:13:53scorcheif you have it registered, use the ghost command
12:14:07lex_i don't have
12:14:12lex_someone else does, and he ircs one time a month
12:14:18scorcheah...then your loss
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12:15:25lex_yep yep
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12:15:49lex_this fade in and fade out backlight owns :)
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12:32:20*linuxstb notices a wikipedia viewer for Rockbox on the patch tracker
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12:34:48*hcs hasn't found it yet...
12:38:16hcsah, cool
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13:07:44Genais there an option to flip the display when i plug the charger in?
13:12:44hcsI'm noticing the channel switching behavior with freq scaling on my ipod color now, perhaps something has changed lately?
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13:44:38hcser, never mind, bad mp3
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13:57:35kridianhey.. quick question; why does the ipod nano become so incredibly slow with file transfers (usb) when using rockbox firmware?
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14:03:13Febskridian, Rockbox uses the ipod's emergency disk mode. Reboot into the Apple firmware if you want full high-speed USB.
14:03:20JdGordonnice n busy in here today :p
14:04:18kridianFebs: any specific key sequence to boot into the apple firmware? my 56k internet isnt the fastest available for loading websites
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14:06:35kridianah found it thx
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14:07:41JdGordondoes anyone know if there is a #define for if the target doesnt use a hard disk?
14:10:15oboAFAIK only #if defined(IPOD_NANO) || defined(HAVE_MMC)
14:11:01JdGordonthere is HAVE_FLASH_DISK, that might be ok.... does the targets with HAVE_MMC not have internal memory?
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14:12:16obothat's only defined for the ifp-7xx - I /think/ it used to be used elsewhere but was removed???
14:12:29JdGordonwhich HAVE_FLASH_DISK?
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14:12:55JdGordoni found it in the nano config...
14:13:00JdGordonill use both i guess
14:14:10oboI'm going mad - it's not in config-ipodnano.h ??
14:14:56JdGordonim boviously drunk... where the heck did i see it? ;p
14:15:15obo./firmware/export/config-ifp7xx.h:#define HAVE_FLASH_DISK
14:15:15obo./firmware/SOURCES:#ifdef HAVE_FLASH_DISK
14:15:19JdGordonah, woops, ok i found it in sourced
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14:27:20stridI booted my ipod 5g into the original ipod firmware, and now I can't remember how to boot it back into rockbox
14:27:32oboreboot by holding menu+select
14:27:49stridthen what
14:27:57obothen it reboots :)
14:28:03stridinto the original firmware, yeah
14:28:17obono, back to the rockbox bootloader
14:28:22stridno, it
14:28:23stridoh snap
14:28:29stridsomeone's fucked with it
14:28:29SoulDeaDmaby you have forgotten installing the bootloader?
14:28:41stridthat's what I get for leaving it around
14:28:47obohas itunes had a chance to update the firmware??
14:28:55stridsome asshole hooks it up to itunes and decides to update it.
14:29:05stridit looks like it, eah
14:29:06oboyeah, you'll need to reinstall the bootloader
14:30:25amiconnJdGordon: HAVE_FLASH_DISK is iFP7xx only - the nano uses the standard ata driver, even if it doesn't have a mechanical harddisk
14:30:38JdGordonah ok
14:30:40stridI haven't saved any of the stuff I used from the last time this happened to my ipod
14:30:42JdGordonand the ondios?
14:30:48stridcan anyone tell me where to begin
14:30:53amiconnHAVE_MMC is defined for the Ondios - and they have an internal flash chip as well as an MMC slot
14:31:23striddoing this should be sufficient I guess
14:31:28JdGordonso its only the sim which doesnt use ata.c ?
14:31:44obostrid: yup
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14:32:14SoulDeaDstrid if your info is untouched just install the bootloader
14:32:27amiconnata.c is used on targets with ata hardware, i.e. all harddisk targets plus the nano
14:33:03amiconniFP7xx and Ondios don't use t
14:33:10stridSoulDeaD, it should be.
14:33:59JdGordoni think ive got this callback stuff working.. now all i need is a way to test it properly :p
14:34:48stridoh what the fuck
14:34:57strid"Connect to your computer. Use iTunes to restore."
14:35:24stridnot cool
14:35:28stridwhat do I do D:
14:35:42linuxstbConnect to your computer and use iTunes to restore?
14:35:47stridno way!
14:36:01stridhey, that's weird, the Do not disconnect thing is black and white now
14:36:03stridut oh
14:37:12JdGordondoes the codec stuff have a function that can be called to get it to fill its buffer?
14:38:12stridwell, how do I revert what I just did with the bootloader installation detailed at ?
14:38:26stridif at all possible
14:39:29stridalso, could that error message mean that my rockbox firmware was wiped by the itunes/ipod update?
14:40:49SoulDeaDdid you check the original firmware version?
14:41:13linuxstbstrid: That error message means you made a mistake installing the Rockbox bootloader.
14:41:27stridso should I just do ipodpatcher.exe -w N bootpartition.bin
14:41:28stridthen try again?
14:41:44linuxstbThe Rockbox firmware itself is the rockbox.ipod file and .rockbox folder on your ipod, which should still be there.
14:41:46stridor can I just repeat the bootloader installation process
14:42:16linuxstbThe bootloader installation process only works if your ipod is working... So yes, try the "-w N bootpartition.bin" command to restore it.
14:42:49linuxstbMake sure you wait for long enough before disconnecting your ipod - you should be able to see a hard disk activity icon on your ipod's LCD.
14:43:15stridI can't see an icon, but it should be done when cmd lets go of the .exe
14:43:36linuxstbIf you can't see an icon, then it's done.
14:44:05stridthar she boots
14:44:09JdGordonw00t.. i tihnk this works :D
14:44:14stridtrying the bootloader again, hopefully with less typos this time
14:45:26linuxstbCopy and paste is useful....
14:46:29striderror message again, I guess I'll have to resort to copy/paste.
14:46:43SoulDeaDstrid did you check the firmware version
14:46:52SoulDeaDi think there were things dependent on it
14:47:05stridhow do I check that?
14:47:10SoulDeaDtry to restore it and boot itunes, then check the version
14:47:18stridI don't have itunes installed
14:47:19SoulDeaDipod, right?
14:47:22stridyeah, 5g
14:47:28linuxstbNo, nothing is dependent on firmware version for the 5g.
14:47:33stridrestoring blanks it, doesn't it
14:47:37SoulDeaDmy mistake
14:47:46linuxstbIt's only the Nano that needs different instructions for different Apple firmware versions.
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14:49:08SoulDeaDi have nano...
14:50:32stridstranger and stranger
14:50:40stridstrictly copy/pasting (and replacing N) gives me this
14:50:40stridGenerating firmware image compatible with iPod video
14:50:40stridCannot open loader image file bootloader-video.bin
14:51:01SoulDeaDyou have a typo somewhere
14:51:13SoulDeaDcheck it more careful
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14:52:49PaulJamhave you downloaded the file bootloader-video.bim?
14:53:13stridthat's what I realized five seconds ago
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14:54:40stridahh, there we go
14:54:45stridfully operational.
14:56:11stridnow to download the latest build and see if it blows up again
14:59:55stridyep, works fine
14:59:58JdGordonmidkay_: fs 6289
14:59:59stridthanks for the help, guys :)
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15:04:51bundiki made another battery_bench on my X5L; without ReplayGain, crossfeed and without remote plugged in; an hour better as they were on/plugged
15:05:33bundikso it came to 31:31 .. see there:">
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15:10:18linuxstb31 hours ? What does the cowon firmware achieve on your player?
15:10:26linuxstbThat's like 6 ipods.... :)
15:11:21lostlogiclol, we're British English now are we? someone should make a us_en.lang file then :-P
15:13:14bundiklinuxstb, I don't know, haven't tried ... but acording to ~27 hours
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15:16:11linuxstblostlogic: It's always been real English - check colour :)
15:17:29JdGordonlinuxstb: doesnt changing the <source> break other lang files?
15:18:02linuxstbJdGordon: I don't know. Someone please tell me...
15:18:21JdGordoni _think_ it does
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15:24:38linuxstbi.e. why does the english.lang need both a source: and dest: ? Also, is the source: field in the non-English .lang files actually used for anything apart from as a convenient reference for translators?
15:25:22JdGordoni think source is used by the script to make the .lng file also? and english.lng needs to be "compiled" also
15:26:35linuxstbBut source: and dest: appear to be identical for every string in english.lang.
15:26:52linuxstbAnd "dest:" in every file appears to contain the required string.
15:27:43JdGordonsource and dest beign the same in english i guess is because its easier than trying to think of a uniqe shorter version or something? dest is the translated strgin
15:28:10linuxstbIsn't the "ID" the unique identifier though?
15:28:14JdGordonyeah, i tihnk you better change the source part of the patch back
15:28:29JdGordonID is for the code
15:30:27linuxstbLooking at genlang, it appears that source is used to identify when a translated string needs to be updated - i.e. if the source: in english.lang has changed, that implies the other languages need changing. So yes, in this case, the source; should stay the same, so I'll fix.
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15:33:17JdG|zzzzdoes anyone know if its possible to get ktorrent to shutdown when its finished downloading?
15:33:23JdG|zzzzshutdown the computer i mean
15:36:04linuxstbNo idea, but you could issue a "shutown -h HH:MM" command to shutdown at a specific time.
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15:37:39JdG|zzzzi guess ill just sleep with the comp on tonight... gnite all
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16:07:29Jungti1234hi all!
16:07:50Jungti1234long time no see, guys
16:14:29peturhey Jungti1234!
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16:16:49Jungti1234hehe hi
16:17:27peturnice to see you again... but no time for a chat now... later
16:17:39Jungti1234ok, later~
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16:20:51Jungti1234what is Log?
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16:28:00Jungti1234music site? hahaha
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16:29:49Soapit creates a log of everything you have listened to on your player, for submission with a third party app/script to Last.FM.
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16:32:49Jungti1234oh, manual
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16:40:58Jungti1234thanks, soap
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16:48:25Genahmm... do i need a specific version of binutils and gcc to build rockbox for X5?
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16:52:53oboyes - easiest way is to run the tools/ script
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16:58:34SoulDeaDi just build it
16:59:13SoulDeaDlast time it was always rebooting, and this time just says rockbox loaded and does nothing
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17:08:09dvpAnybody got any experience with masc3500 ?
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17:17:44[g2]Does anyone know anything about that ?
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17:29:41obo[g2]: I guess you need Bagder or LinusN (Daniel and Linus from the google thread in the page you linked)
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17:40:03linuxstb_g2: My understanding is that the DM320 contains an ARM core, plus a DSP. The code that runs on the DSP will be closed-sourced, and will export an API accessible from the main, open source firmware.
17:40:53linuxstb_This is simiilar to the MAS dsp in the Archos devices Rockbox runs on.
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17:46:04[g2]obo I don't have a google thread someone pointed me directly to that page
17:46:48obothere is one on that page, titled "this thread"
17:47:09[g2]linuxstb_ you are correct, there is an ARM 926-ejs core and a TI DSP on the TI chip
17:47:14[g2]obo ok thx
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18:23:25Davide-NYCany word on the BRP (aka MRP) from jhMikeS?
18:23:35Davide-NYCI read the logs but didn't see anything recent
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18:55:35GnelikWhere can i take arm-elf-gcc for linux???
18:56:40linuxstb_Easiest way is to use the tools/ script in the Rockbox source to download and build it.
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19:40:57[g2]linuxstb_ which version of gcc/binutils are you using ?
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19:52:00[g2]can anybody comment about the Sansa e2xx series port or JTAG access on the devie ?
19:52:34joshin[g2], Nothing beyond
19:53:03[g2]hey joshin :)
19:53:24[g2]are you running Rockbox on the slug ?
19:53:58joshinNope. I have a Sansa E260 that I would love to have Rockbox for.
19:54:59*[g2] has a e260 also
19:55:22[g2]Ok, it's my kids, but I make the kid turn it over to me :)
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19:56:11joshin:) Mine is for when I go jogging. Of course most of my music has been ripped to OGG format so that's my main reason for wanting Rockbox.
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20:00:39linuxstb[g2]: I have binutils 2.16.1 and arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 but I should download the latest recommended versions for each target CPU you want to build for.
20:01:58[g2]linuxstb_ are you main developer ?
20:02:22*[g2] can't type worth sh** today.... are you a main developer ?
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20:04:10odlahow do i know what generation my ipod nano is?
20:04:16odlai bought it in may
20:05:27Soapodla - metal body or plastic face?
20:06:00Soap1st generation had stainless steel backs and white or black plastic faces like the full size ipod.
20:06:07obomay = 1st gen
20:06:09Soap2nd generation has an all aluminum body.
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20:07:06odlaplastic face
20:07:26barrywardell[g2]: this might be a little help:
20:07:41barrywardelli've tried using JTAG with my h10 which has a similar chip in it too
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20:09:58Arathiswhat would have to be done to port supertux to rockbox besides resizing the images? or is this impossible at all?
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20:11:57blue_lizardWhat is SuperTux?
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20:12:04blue_lizardsoftware and OpenGL rendering modes,
20:12:14blue_lizardwhat do they mean with software mesa?
20:12:23blue_lizardthen it is not possible
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20:13:29*linuxstb_ downloads the supertux source to have a look
20:13:32blue_lizardothers may say that everything is possible, it is only a question of effort
20:15:13linuxstb_First problem - it's written in C++.
20:16:22linuxstb_Second problem - it seems to contain a lot of floating point maths...
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20:19:12linuxstb_Arathis: If you're serious, you should contact the supertux developers and ask their opinion. They should know what sort of computing power is needed to run the game. But it would be a significant amount of work.
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20:19:42odlado i want enabling speech support for my ipod nano and if i do which package would i want? i am english speaker
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20:21:29odlaah what's the select button on my ipod :(
20:22:11linuxstb_The one in the middle.
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20:29:31odlaso would i just sync music as normal with rockbox like in gtkpod?
20:31:39odlaok i have music on my ipod but i'm not sure how to access it :/
20:31:44odlai am reading the manual
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20:34:37odlaoh sweet :D
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20:36:18odlathis is excellent :D
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20:58:03[g2]anybody know how to release the sansa from it's inner case ?
20:58:31[g2]I've got an e260
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21:00:49*[g2] wonders if need to unclip the screen
21:08:28joshin[g2] no you dont need to remove the LCD screen
21:08:32joshinDid you take the covers off?
21:08:41joshinGot all the screws out?
21:08:53joshinPry it out gently starting from the bottom
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21:09:37joshinI took mine completely apart to see how hard it would be to replace the LCD. Mine broke somehow (which is why Sandisk has it now)
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21:15:01[g2]joshin I think prying from the bottom is the issue :)
21:15:49[g2]joshin or was the LCD broke before you opened it ?
21:16:25joshinIt was broke before.
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21:25:08[g2]joshin it's out :)
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21:43:52[g2]joshin Ok e260 disassembled and reassembled
21:43:59[g2]and still works :)
21:44:24joshinWhat about that hair that is now between the LCD and the outside cover?
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21:45:07[g2]joshin this is just a warm-up for soldering a JTAG header on
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22:36:02petururgh.. my squeezebox2 died :(
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22:37:26sponge_can anyone tell me the mAh from the iAUDIO X5L ?
22:40:21amiconnjhMikeS: Here are my estimations (educated guesses) for the refresh rate with DMA LCD update on X5 (and 32 bit framebuffer): 11MHz: 25fps, 45MHz: 84fps, 124MHz: 113fps
22:40:50peturwhy is it so slow?
22:41:08amiconnNote that this calculation includes fixed lcd waitstates (still exceeding the specs by about 10%, i.e. 180ns cycle time instead of the required 200ns)
22:41:20peturisn't the lcd even smaller than h3x0?
22:41:33amiconnYes it is, but we need to move twice the data per pixel
22:41:51amiconn...and the minimum cycle time is longer (200ns instead of 150ns on H300)
22:42:06jhMikeSThat's down for 124 but would benefit 45. I don't know the speed at 11MHz
22:42:26amiconnYes it is down for 124MHz because of the fixed timings
22:42:41amiconnAre there reports for display content corruption on X5?
22:42:56jhMikeSWith the smaller driver size could use both.
22:43:35jhMikeSI haven't heard of any reports like that.
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22:43:57amiconnThe 124MHz fps is _not_ down due to using DMA, it's down due to using nearly correct timing
22:44:15jhMikeSsponge_: I'm think it's 2250
22:44:33sponge_okay, thanks
22:44:36amiconnCurrently we're driving the X5 LCD faster than the H300 LCD, even though the specs are the other way round
22:45:07jhMikeSI've never seen a corrupt display from anything other that my own experimenting.
22:46:53jhMikeSScotty I want more than full power! :)
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22:49:25jhMikeSI did get that buffer allocation stuff pretty straightened out. You don't even know how bad it was. If the buffer was used and wrote over pcm buffer structures, they were never reinitialized properly. I hereby deprecate the use of talk_buffer_steal for anything other than the allocators.
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22:51:09amiconnjhMikeS: As long as you don't change the way talk_buffer_steal works on archos, I don't think there will be a problem
22:51:30jhMikeSno change there
22:52:15amiconnThe original purpose of talk_buffer_steal was to tell the voice engine that something took its buffer away, and the voice file must be reloaded the next time a voice clip needs to be played
22:52:30jhMikeSof course the improvements come with the recording stuff (which is about ready) because they're nescessary for it.
22:52:35amiconnOn archos, voice & main audio share the same buffer
22:53:05jhMikeStalk buffer steal always threw away 32KB every time it was called on SWCODEC! But now it allocates the thumbnail buffer once.
22:53:17amiconn...due to 2 reasons: (1) There wouldn't be enough ram to fit both at once. (2) hwcodec can't play audio and voice at the same time anyway
22:54:10jhMikeSyes, I do understand that. It's still useful on SWCODEC to initialize the thumnail buffer any notify voice of the trashed state.
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22:55:58jhMikeSThere's two functions now: audio_get_buffer (to be called by anything at all that wants the buffer, everywhere) and audio_get_recording_buffer. They're too dissimilar to combine.
22:56:22amiconnDid you have a look at buffer_alloc ?
22:57:02jhMikeSyes, it just chips bytes off the front of the buffer permanently. talk_buffer_steal uses it to allocate the thumbnail.
22:57:24amiconnHmm, I checked the IRC logs. I though I read sth about glitchy screen on X5, but that was H300
22:57:27jhMikeSand now it doesn't leak away the memory
22:57:41amiconn21.52.05 # <salival> Hi, where can I find the LCD wait states? (they used to be in system.c)
22:57:48amiconn21.53.22 # <salival> I need these to resolve the glitchy screen error on my h300
22:58:33*amiconn would like to ask salival whether the increased waitstates introduced with DMA on H300 are enough to resolve those glitches
22:58:52jhMikeSAre they conservative in timing or a bit edgy?
22:59:14amiconnjhMikeS: The problem with out of specs timings is that it might work for 95% of all the devices out there, but cause glitches on the other 5%
22:59:50amiconnThe current timings are still a bit above specs on H300: 129ns at 124 and 133ns at 45 (instead of 150ns)
23:00:16jhMikeStrue, but I'll likely be in the 95% group :)
23:00:48jhMikeSIs that per line?
23:00:58amiconnPer pixel
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23:01:34amiconnNo waitstates at 45MHz and 4 waitstates at 124MHz
23:01:58amiconn(for in-specs timings we would need 1 and 7 on H300)
23:02:30jhMikeSI don't even know how to set that stuff up yet.
23:02:54amiconnX5 would be worse if we want to stay in specs
23:03:06amiconn(erm, H300 uses 5 waitstates at 124MHz)
23:03:44amiconn4 are enough for glitch-free display on _my_ H300 and at least 2 others, but I like to stay on the safe side
23:03:57amiconnMaybe we can get away with the same timing on X5
23:04:20amiconn...provided that we do want DMA and a 32 bit framebuffer with an ugly pixel format
23:04:26jhMikeSWhy do we need wait states for DMA and not for normal operation?
23:05:09amiconnWe do need waitstates for normal operation as well, but less, because the write instructions cause a little extra latency
23:05:26jhMikeSThe pixel format's pretty easy to deal with. I don't mind it really. Was fairly easy to make it all work. Just had to patchup stuff that assumes color is 565.
23:06:15jhMikeSmakes sense...guess you get the extra cycles out of that
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23:06:53amiconnIn fact I don't like the current timing on X5 at all. It works, but I can't really tell what our effective cycle time is now
23:08:16jhMikeSIf I had a device I was ok disassembling I could just hook up my scope, darn
23:08:40amiconnMy scope is too slow to capture such signals
23:08:44jhMikeSthen again, the back of the LCD lense needs cleaning
23:09:25amiconnI already had problems capturing the MMC clock in the Ondio. That's 3MHZ
23:09:27jhMikeSshould be watchable on a 60Mhz scope
23:10:27amiconnHmm, I didn't remember correctly
23:10:39jhMikeSwhat's that?
23:10:49amiconnThe MMC clock worked, but CPU clock was above specs
23:10:54amiconn10MHz scope
23:11:32amiconnAnyway, a logic analyser would be better for that job
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23:12:01amiconn(or a digital scope of course)
23:12:04jhMikeSwell, Linus has that and devices already apart afaik
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23:14:06jhMikeSgotta head to the store...bbl
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23:36:26jhMikeSpetur: should I put the whopper up tonight? It's working well. Had quirks turning the digial out on and off (CVS probably already does) but I don't wanna add more more, please! :)
23:37:00peturif you mean posting another patch, sure...
23:37:13jhMikeSno, I mean committing it. it's about time.
23:37:39peturwell you were able to test so I trust you ;)
23:37:56jhMikeSit's been running and Davide-NYC put the SPDIF throught the paces and it all came out perfect
23:38:15peturthen go ahead I'd say
23:39:07[g2]jhMikeS are you familiar with a lot many of the different LCDs ?
23:39:12jhMikeSI'm just wondering how I should provide the change statement...if I put everything there in the -m, it'll be a book.
23:39:54peturjust write MRP
23:39:56jhMikeSI'll figure a way to be descriptive but concise.
23:40:22jhMikeS[g2]: not really, just x5 stuff atm
23:41:03jhMikeSI guess somewhat on H300 since they're similar
23:41:16jhMikeSbut hardly the same
23:41:29[g2]jhMikeS ok thx
23:42:13jhMikeSpetur: write MRP? :?
23:42:28peturmonster recording patch ;)
23:42:51jhMikeSI was thinking "some small recording tweaks"
23:43:18jhMikeS10,000 tiny tweaks
23:43:57*petur is pissed about his broken squeezebox2 :/
23:44:54jhMikeSthat sucks
23:45:46peturI fear that sending it to the US for repair and getting it back + repair costs will amount to a new player
23:47:33*petur discovers that pc soundeffects aren't played on the rear speaker outputs of his pc and connects those to his stereo
23:47:36jhMikeSdunno. one of those thing ya gotta just ask 'em about I guess
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23:48:14peturYeah... their support mailaddress bounced so I posted in the forum
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23:50:35jhMikeSthey don't make the 2 anymore? I just see the squeezebox there
23:50:50peturno, only the 3 and transporter
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23:52:16petureverybody says the transporter sounds way better but not 6x which is about the price difference
23:52:20[g2]do that ARM targets run LE ?
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23:52:39peturplease stay off topic ;)
23:54:19linuxstb_[g2]: All the current Rockbox ones do, yes.
23:54:50[g2]linuxstb_ do you know if the PP chips run BE ?
23:55:01markunpetur: is it common for bootleggers to use a external DAC?
23:55:29peturADC you mean? many do yes
23:55:37linuxstb_[g2]: As far as I know, they can do, yes.
23:57:07markunpetur: yes, ADC, sorry. Do some of them support i2s or mostly spdif? (because we can access the i2s pins of the Gigabeat through the dock connector)
23:57:42peturhaven't heared of external i2s devices
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23:58:48markunok, we could try to make a dock connector with spdif (in and out) then

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