| 00:00:17 | Davide-NYC | does anyone know what this person is talking about? |
| 00:00:18 | Davide-NYC | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7229.0 |
| 00:01:54 | jhMikeS | no...haven't read it :D |
| 00:03:54 | Davide-NYC | something about the pitch not being correct on normal playback and the user playing back everything at 105% pitch |
| 00:04:05 | Davide-NYC | after a while his H1x0 crashes |
| 00:04:10 | Davide-NYC | WTF? |
| 00:05:49 | * | Davide-NYC accepts the silence to mean user error or unique hardware fault |
| 00:05:53 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
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| 00:06:29 | jhMikeS | huh |
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| 00:08:08 | jhMikeS | hmm...I'm not sure what he's talking about. Mine's not broken. Might not have reset his settings if he used the latest update. |
| 00:08:35 | * | Davide-NYC presumes user error |
| 00:08:42 | Davide-NYC | we should ignore unless other complain |
| 00:09:08 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: do you understand my "hide behind" idea? |
| 00:09:13 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:09:26 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Might want to look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7284.0 as well. |
| 00:09:43 | Davide-NYC | I htink it's great since I don;t see the great benefit of knowing the filename and the filesize. |
| 00:09:56 | | Part tucoz |
| 00:09:59 | jhMikeS | There's lots of space left on the H120 screen though...lots |
| 00:10:42 | Davide-NYC | yeah, but folks like ot stay consistent across targets as much as possible |
| 00:11:16 | Soap | That forum post complaining about pitch being off is from 2006-11-03. I swear I read the same exact question a week or two ago. |
| 00:11:22 | Soap | Maybe it was in here. |
| 00:12:01 | * | jhMikeS wonders why someone would want to listen to music almost 1/2 step higher than normal :-\ |
| 00:12:11 | Davide-NYC | crystal meth |
| 00:12:54 | Soap | Makes me wonder if they had the EQ cranked up in OF, and now when they hear something in RockBox it sounds too low pitch. |
| 00:13:05 | jhMikeS | The hiding could really more of a pages thing that could be scrolled through with lots of details |
| 00:13:11 | Soap | It wouldn't be hard to measure a 5% difference in playback times. |
| 00:13:44 | Davide-NYC | let's tackle one thing at a time (i only have 5 min left) |
| 00:13:53 | jhMikeS | my ears do the measuring, I don't wanna hear the key of F if the song is in E +P |
| 00:14:11 | Davide-NYC | ditto |
| 00:14:39 | Davide-NYC | for optical power, why not just use the playback setting for output? |
| 00:14:54 | Davide-NYC | what's the gripe? (bit confused) |
| 00:15:13 | jhMikeS | Was thinking you might not want it on all the time but like to use feedthrough |
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| 00:15:33 | Davide-NYC | so it's gonna be another setting in the menu? |
| 00:15:47 | jhMikeS | Not if noone wants it |
| 00:15:58 | jhMikeS | Or not enough |
| 00:16:10 | Davide-NYC | I don't think it's expicitely necessary |
| 00:16:20 | Davide-NYC | what about a redundant menu entry? |
| 00:16:40 | jhMikeS | redundant? |
| 00:16:41 | Davide-NYC | optical out (same as in the general menu) repeated in the rec menu? |
| 00:17:08 | Davide-NYC | access to the same setting from two diff places so that you don;t have to exit out of "recording mode" |
| 00:17:09 | jhMikeS | That's still another menu item even if it's the same string |
| 00:17:17 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 00:17:26 | Davide-NYC | I know, but there's less logic to thik about |
| 00:17:30 | Davide-NYC | *think |
| 00:17:39 | Davide-NYC | just turn it on or turn it off |
| 00:17:42 | * | jhMikeS asks if less logic is more logical |
| 00:17:47 | Davide-NYC | haha |
| 00:18:13 | Davide-NYC | I'm old school so I still think if big ass switches, channel strips and potentiometers |
| 00:18:21 | Davide-NYC | I gotta run |
| 00:18:24 | jhMikeS | later |
| 00:18:27 | Davide-NYC | be back in 2 hours or so |
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| 00:24:33 | lostlogic | :( ipod still doesn't charge from USB at 500mA in rockbox. |
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| 00:30:24 | lostlogic | ida-pro? |
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| 00:33:44 | TrueJournals | lostlogic: It's a disassembler |
| 00:36:20 | jhMikeS | linuxstb__: could use one myself |
| 00:38:17 | linuxstb__ | lostlogic: How do you tell how much current is being drawn? |
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| 01:07:47 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I like your idea of saving on the last .cfg file too! :) |
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| 01:11:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You moved too much to target tree... |
| 01:11:11 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: That's a good idea too. I was thinking just a default one but that might be better actually. |
| 01:11:12 | amiconn | lcd-h100.c needs splitting |
| 01:12:42 | lostlogic | linuxstb__: I don't actually, but backlight + audio -> discharge, not charge tells me it's only doing 100mA |
| 01:14:49 | [g2] | lostlogic same cable ? |
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| 01:15:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Regarding your .cfg file - that option hopefully won't be needed anymore soon |
| 01:15:31 | amiconn | No more config block resetting |
| 01:16:16 | * | amiconn also wonders why one would save the same config over and over |
| 01:16:21 | * | JdGordon hopes soon is 2 weeks or so.. but not likely :'( |
| 01:16:24 | [g2] | lostlogic on the Motorola A780 cell phone there's an EMU (Enhanced M... USB port) it's senses 12V to charge faster, otherwise uses 5V |
| 01:17:35 | [g2] | Enhanced Mini USB port |
| 01:18:16 | [g2] | there's a PCAP chip that controls some of the routing |
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| 01:25:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: Calling the callbacks at shutdown doesn't work... |
| 01:25:44 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 01:25:48 | amiconn | I think the event arrives too late in the ata thread queue |
| 01:26:29 | JdGordon | so the rest of the system thinks its shutdown already? |
| 01:26:37 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:26:51 | amiconn | Looks like this one needs to be called from clean_shutdown() (possibly system_flush() ?) in apps/misc.c |
| 01:26:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what'd I do now? |
| 01:26:53 | [g2] | Ok it's not 12V it's 1.25A |
| 01:27:17 | JdGordon | ok |
| 01:27:23 | [g2] | which exceeds the 500ma USB limit |
| 01:28:01 | amiconn | system_flush() is also called before usb (from default_event_handler_ex() ), so that would automatically be handled as well |
| 01:28:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I usually just want to save settings real quick. I don't use a bunch of config different configuration. |
| 01:28:27 | amiconn | Why? |
| 01:28:35 | amiconn | Settings are saved automatically anyway |
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| 01:29:06 | jhMikeS | I think it's tedious to have to do all that to backup settings and I have to do it a lot at times. |
| 01:29:19 | amiconn | I don't understand.... |
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| 01:29:32 | amiconn | I have one standard config file, which I saved months ago |
| 01:29:52 | amiconn | I just load that when the settings block gets bumped, and that's it |
| 01:30:25 | amiconn | I have some dedicated .cfg files for different environments, but those only contain the settings I really need to change |
| 01:30:29 | jhMikeS | ok...but sometimes I want to back up with new settings and use them later and keep using the same file. If it crashes, they won't be saved. |
| 01:30:57 | amiconn | They will be saved at the next spinup after leaving the menu |
| 01:31:27 | jhMikeS | Not to my .cfg file |
| 01:31:52 | amiconn | Not yet to a config file... but that'll change. |
| 01:31:53 | jhMikeS | I've lost them many times after crashing |
| 01:32:20 | amiconn | I never lost settings except on a new target when I forgot to create my backup .cfg |
| 01:32:21 | jhMikeS | Still would like a config for different enviroments if I do choose |
| 01:33:47 | jhMikeS | But for minor changes I want backed up right away I'd just like a single step without creating more files. That's my personal preference anyway |
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| 01:34:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: JdGordon's patch is what you're talking about right? |
| 01:35:02 | JdGordon | yes |
| 01:35:52 | jhMikeS | Handling encoder setting will dispense with global format/encoder format conversion too I take it. |
| 01:36:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you get my remark regarding lcd-h100.c ? |
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| 01:36:27 | jhMikeS | yes, don't know what you're referring to specifically. what else uses that code? |
| 01:36:57 | amiconn | Nothing _atm_ |
| 01:37:16 | amiconn | But lcd-h100.c contains both target specific and pixel format specific code |
| 01:37:36 | amiconn | The latter should go in firmware/drivers/lcd-2bit-vert.c |
| 01:38:05 | jhMikeS | was thinking same thing really in that case. that's np. What about for the remote? |
| 01:38:26 | amiconn | Same thing |
| 01:38:51 | amiconn | lcd-recorder.c too (not yet moved) |
| 01:42:27 | jhMikeS | shouldn't lcd.S be moved to sh too while we're at it? |
| 01:42:37 | jhMikeS | looks like it should be split at that |
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| 01:43:28 | amiconn | lcd.S needs a somewhat ugly split |
| 01:43:59 | amiconn | One part of the code is for the player, the other part is for all 5 bitmap archos targets |
| 01:44:45 | amiconn | The latter should probably go into firmware/target/sh/archos directly |
| 01:45:20 | amiconn | ...but what filename? |
| 01:45:22 | jhMikeS | all of it since there's only one selection? |
| 01:45:45 | JdGordon | lcd-archos.S ? |
| 01:45:49 | amiconn | lcd-archos-bitmap.S ? |
| 01:46:08 | amiconn | And lcd-player.S for the other part, in the player sub-dir ? |
| 01:46:10 | jhMikeS | and lcd-archos-charcell.S |
| 01:46:25 | jhMikeS | 'least it clear what it does :) |
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| 01:46:38 | kumpelblase | hi |
| 01:46:57 | amiconn | The differnce does in fact have nothing to do with charcell vs. bitmap, but which port pins the lcd is hooked up to |
| 01:47:08 | amiconn | (the interface itself is the same) |
| 01:47:11 | jhMikeS | or just plunk it all the way down in player for charcell |
| 01:47:58 | jhMikeS | From your statement, being 6 archos targets, 5 of which are bitmap, the remaing is one target with charcells |
| 01:48:07 | amiconn | The bitmap lcd's data line is hooked to bit 0 of port B, which allows a special trick for speedup |
| 01:48:19 | amiconn | [01:46:09] <amiconn> And lcd-player.S for the other part, in the player sub-dir ? |
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| 01:49:02 | amiconn | Yes there are 6 archos targets, but only 4 target sub-dirs (2 dirs are shared by 2 actual targets each, because those are really similar) |
| 01:49:21 | jhMikeS | but one is charcell and the other not? |
| 01:49:25 | amiconn | correct |
| 01:49:35 | jhMikeS | oy, que feo |
| 01:50:39 | amiconn | The charcell and bitmap code in lcd.S share small parts |
| 01:50:46 | jhMikeS | I guess then one uses the specific lcd-player.S, the rest use the common part in the archos dir. |
| 01:50:56 | amiconn | I would like to see it completely separated |
| 01:51:07 | jhMikeS | yes, but they're not going to change much so just duplicate it, no? |
| 01:51:18 | jhMikeS | It's very minor |
| 01:51:42 | amiconn | Some instructions are unnecessary in the player version when they are separated |
| 01:52:05 | jhMikeS | mmm...even better, smaller fw |
| 01:53:58 | * | amiconn spots i2c-pp5002.c and i2c-pp5020.c in firmware/drivers... |
| 01:54:26 | jhMikeS | which explains why I'd rather move stuff for a player I have |
| 01:54:39 | jhMikeS | as much as possible anyway |
| 01:55:04 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:55:27 | amiconn | I think I will move the archos lcd stuff |
| 01:55:52 | jhMikeS | If everyone chips in this can be done fairly painlessly that way |
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| 02:02:39 | Nico_P | hi, anyone here ? |
| 02:03:37 | aliask | Plenty. |
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| 02:04:10 | Nico_P | i've just noticed a think with the wps %fc tag (for file codec) |
| 02:04:19 | Nico_P | think -> thning |
| 02:04:33 | jhMikeS | There's never anyone home in jhMikeS |
| 02:04:50 | Nico_P | the order of the different codecs has changed |
| 02:05:34 | Nico_P | because of that, iCatcher doesn't display the right codec icon anymore |
| 02:05:50 | jhMikeS | whowa, it's not supposed to depend on that anymore |
| 02:06:26 | Nico_P | apparently it does, and i think your commit about recording is the cause |
| 02:06:29 | jhMikeS | anything indexed to audio formats (or many other things) should use spefied initializers |
| 02:06:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: No doubt about it...will have a look |
| 02:07:04 | Nico_P | i think i found exactly what causes it |
| 02:07:09 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/id3.c.diff?r1=1.135&r2=1.136 |
| 02:07:47 | Nico_P | AIFF moved from being after SHN to being after MP3 |
| 02:08:05 | jhMikeS | all audio info is in one array now |
| 02:08:19 | jhMikeS | should fix I catcher, not move the order of the formats |
| 02:08:24 | jhMikeS | icatcher |
| 02:08:36 | Nico_P | yes maybe that's best |
| 02:08:50 | linuxstb | Doesn't it mean that all WPSs using %fc as a conditional are broken? |
| 02:08:51 | Nico_P | i can edit the wiki page for wps tags |
| 02:09:07 | jhMikeS | changing the order the array is defined won't change the order. you'd have to just change the AMFT enum |
| 02:09:35 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: where is it ? |
| 02:09:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...gotta find which files assume afmt indexes |
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| 02:10:42 | jhMikeS | Its in id3.h but I'd rather do the right thing and fix the arrays that assume a certain format is at a certain index |
| 02:11:42 | jhMikeS | which file would that be in, I'm forgetting |
| 02:12:01 | amiconn | The enum is changed... and you can't "fix the array" |
| 02:12:14 | jhMikeS | oh |
| 02:12:19 | amiconn | It's not C code that's affected |
| 02:12:57 | jhMikeS | it's actually the .wps file? |
| 02:13:29 | amiconn | The wps file defines a multi-level conditional (think of it as a kind of switch() ) |
| 02:13:37 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 02:13:43 | amiconn | ...and that just uses the index into the afmt array |
| 02:13:49 | Nico_P | well all i know is that now it's no longer "%?fc<mp1|mp2|mp3|wav|vorbis|flac|mpc|a52|wavpack|alac|aac|shorten|aiff|unknown>" |
| 02:14:10 | jhMikeS | no |
| 02:14:13 | amiconn | So if the array is shuffled around, all wps'es using %fc need fixing |
| 02:14:15 | jhMikeS | definitely not |
| 02:14:38 | Nico_P | but rather "%?fc<mp1|mp2|mp3|__ (AIFF?)|wav|vorbis|flac|mpc|a52|wavpack|alac|aac|shorten|aiff|unknown>" |
| 02:14:58 | jhMikeS | it just uses the string at that index then |
| 02:16:32 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: yeah, that or the enum can be changed to the old order |
| 02:17:05 | Nico_P | it's probably better to go back to the old order so that WPSs don't get broken |
| 02:17:05 | amiconn | Hmmmmm |
| 02:17:24 | * | amiconn isn't sure where to insert the lcd-*.S files in firmware/SOURCES :/ |
| 02:18:03 | amiconn | It's clearly SH, but then it's also archos specific... but the bitmap code not only for a single target.... |
| 02:18:08 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: You're probably right. Frankly I'd like a better solution without the dependency but that's more complicated |
| 02:18:10 | JdGordon | in the #ifdef TARGET part downt he ottom |
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| 02:18:54 | xmixahlx | hi, is there a page on rockbox.org that shows audio format decoding benchmarks? |
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| 02:19:00 | amiconn | Urgh, repeat it 5 times?? |
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| 02:19:15 | JdGordon | probably |
| 02:19:27 | xmixahlx | i've been looking and can't find one |
| 02:19:31 | jhMikeS | hrmph |
| 02:19:38 | xmixahlx | i remember seeing something like that |
| 02:19:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: unless make can look for files like the include dirs |
| 02:20:03 | amiconn | ? |
| 02:20:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | xmixahlx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 02:20:44 | JdGordon | get it to look for lcd-target.S in <cpu>/<make>/<model> then <cpu>/<make> then <cpu> |
| 02:20:56 | JdGordon | i dont know if that is possible at al tho |
| 02:21:15 | amiconn | My problem is a different one |
| 02:21:26 | amiconn | I don't have a problem with using SOUCRES |
| 02:21:27 | jhMikeS | aiff after shorted...should be done now and will inspect carefully |
| 02:21:40 | amiconn | ...but lcd-as-archos-bitmap will be used by 5 targets |
| 02:21:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Nooooo! |
| 02:22:03 | jhMikeS | no |
| 02:22:07 | jhMikeS | no? |
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| 02:22:19 | amiconn | Please keep aiff where it is now... |
| 02:22:41 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok. update the wps's? |
| 02:22:55 | * | amiconn doesn't want an array with a big hole when adding pcm playback for archos |
| 02:22:59 | xmixahlx | Paul_the_Nerd> thanks, i was looking for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime and that page helped |
| 02:23:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | IriverRuntime isn't really related to decoding benchmarks, but rather battery performance which is many factors. |
| 02:23:30 | jhMikeS | ok, so you have a good practical reason |
| 02:24:14 | jhMikeS | then I'll leave that :) |
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| 02:25:46 | jhMikeS | how many of those wps's actually use it? should I only concen myself with the included ones? |
| 02:28:55 | xmixahlx | Paul_the_Nerd> essentially i want to figure out what the decoding speed is for the different codecs |
| 02:29:21 | xmixahlx | Paul_the_Nerd> i.e., mp3=11x, mpc=12x, vorbis=10x, etc |
| 02:29:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what's your take? just fix the included .wps files that use %fc |
| 02:29:49 | xmixahlx | Paul_the_Nerd> and how that relates to battery usage per format |
| 02:30:00 | jhMikeS | or the entire gallery? :O |
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| 02:30:23 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Just those in cvs I'd say |
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| 02:30:36 | homielowe | help |
| 02:31:05 | linuxstb | xmixahlx: There's currently no way to accurately measure codec speed in Rockbox. All we can do is measure what percentage of time the CPU spends boosted to the highest speed (which is 0% for some codecs). |
| 02:31:56 | JdGordon | amiconn: isnt putting the ata callbacks in system_flush worse than the ata thread? because it will be called from whatever the first thread to get the SYS event, which could very easily stkOv that thread.. and async callbacks are still useless because the owner thread would get the SYS event before the callback event |
| 02:32:08 | jhMikeS | with encoders it's rather trivial in a programming sense to benchmark them. just don't tell them to write files |
| 02:32:56 | xmixahlx | linuxstb> does information exist at all about codec performance? (battery life, decoding efficiency, etc) |
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| 02:33:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | xmixahlx: Then the boost ratio is better, though a pure decode plugin would be ideal. |
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| 02:33:43 | linuxstb | xmixahlx: Just the pages you've found - the IriverRuntime (and IpodRuntime etc) pages, plus the CodecPerformanceComparison. |
| 02:34:52 | Soap | xmixahlx: what codecs would you even consider using in an attempt to save battery life? |
| 02:35:30 | homielowe | is there a specific directory I have to put a formatted text file in for dictionary to execute it, or do I just enter the file name ie"en-ge.txt" and execute? |
| 02:35:42 | xmixahlx | well, i know that vorbis is cpu intensive to decode, and i thought that there might be benchmarks already |
| 02:36:01 | xmixahlx | i have probably 95% musepack (for lossy) |
| 02:36:47 | Soap | my ipod runtime tests showed very little battery life difference between OGG and MP3, I know the arch. is completely different on the Irivers, but... |
| 02:38:41 | Soap | xmixahlx: - but looking at the codec performance comparison wiki it appears very safe to say that the only difference between mp3 and mpc on the iriver will be how often the drive is hit (bitrate) |
| 02:39:39 | Soap | so if your personal ABX tests show musepac requires less bits than mp3 for you to find it acceptable/transparent, then you should go with that (in the name of battery life) |
| 02:39:49 | linuxstb | xmixahlx: A quick test is to start a file playing, wait for the buffering to finish, then go into the main menu, Info -> Debug -> View Audio Thread and look at the CPU boost %. The lower that number, the faster the decoder. |
| 02:40:13 | xmixahlx | ah, ok - that makes sense |
| 02:40:35 | Soap | if I'm reading the wiki right there is no boost on iriver when playing mp3 or musepack. |
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| 02:41:33 | rotator | That's right, even playing my Musepack q10 files do not boost on my iriver |
| 02:41:58 | xmixahlx | sweet |
| 02:42:07 | xmixahlx | that's sounding great for me :) |
| 02:42:24 | rotator | My collection is almost entirely Musepack as well ;) |
| 02:42:39 | xmixahlx | i just purchased an h320 last week, rockbox'ed it (the norbu compile) and am just doing some research |
| 02:43:04 | Soap | not, as a qualifier, what those tests do not show is that musepack 192+fancy WPS might equal boost whereas mp3 192+fancy WPS might not. (or vise versa) |
| 02:43:15 | Soap | s/not/now |
| 02:43:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which is why we need a decoding benchmark plugin. :-P |
| 02:44:02 | Soap | speaking of which. |
| 02:44:05 | xmixahlx | that's just odd that there isn't one |
| 02:44:17 | xmixahlx | or even that the devs don't know how efficient the decoders are |
| 02:44:20 | Soap | It is not nice for people to tease others with mention of Rockbox tshirts. |
| 02:44:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | xmixahlx: They vary greatly from target to target though. I mean, different people optimize them, so it's not like any one person knows how much work has been done on any given one for any given architecture. |
| 02:45:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: I look good in it too. I get better service at restaurants even, as if the shirt somehow gives me an air of having a "respectable" job. |
| 02:45:38 | xmixahlx | but aren't the h1x0 and h3x0 targets the same (for audio decoding purposes)? |
| 02:45:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Without it I look too much like "Hippy liberal college student with no cash" |
| 02:45:55 | jhMikeS | oh boy, can't even get a theme to load right on x5, it causes codec failures. probably something not obtaining memory the correct way |
| 02:46:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | xmixahlx: The h300 takes more effort to update the screen. |
| 02:46:15 | xmixahlx | ah, sad times |
| 02:47:35 | jhMikeS | no, I got something else messed up, it's doing it after a clear |
| 02:48:13 | xmixahlx | what's the best rockbox build to use? is there a community consensus? |
| 02:48:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Most people in here just use the official |
| 02:48:28 | linuxstb | The official builds... |
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| 02:50:06 | linuxstb | xmixahlx: But if I was you, I would use the build with the smallest number of unofficial patches that meets your needs. |
| 02:50:38 | xmixahlx | ah, k |
| 02:50:47 | xmixahlx | is recording working in the current builds |
| 02:50:57 | xmixahlx | i read there was a recording error earlier |
| 02:51:51 | * | amiconn had an idea how to speed up text drawing on the colour targets |
| 02:52:01 | * | Paul_the_Nerd likes it when amiconn has ideas. |
| 02:52:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: did you see my message about 15min ago? |
| 02:53:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what'd you come up with? |
| 02:55:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Well, mono bitmap drawing can be optimized best when the mono bitmap is large. |
| 02:55:46 | amiconn | However, text consists of a whole bunch of really small bitmp |
| 02:55:51 | amiconn | *bitmaps |
| 02:56:20 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 02:56:45 | amiconn | So it will probably be faster to first assemble the individual mono bitmaps into one large mono bitmap, and then convert-and-draw |
| 02:57:07 | amiconn | One could call it mono bitmap cache |
| 02:57:36 | amiconn | Aseemble a whole line of text there, then convert at once |
| 02:57:43 | jhMikeS | could be. had given that some thought myself. wasn't in the mood to try it out. guess you only need a bitmap as wide as the screen. |
| 02:58:04 | amiconn | Yes, a mono bitmap the size of the screen |
| 02:58:32 | amiconn | 2.5KB on X5, and ~4.8KB on H300 |
| 02:58:33 | jhMikeS | In this case the vertical format is an advantage |
| 02:58:42 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:58:51 | amiconn | No shifting while assembling th eline |
| 02:59:02 | jhMikeS | woot! |
| 02:59:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes, that might be a problem, but the current solution doesn't work properly... |
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| 03:00:08 | * | amiconn wonders what takes so much stack that it overflows a standard sized stack... |
| 03:00:08 | JdGordon | so, do we just srcap it and make sure owner threads look after them properly? |
| 03:00:20 | amiconn | That would be the other option |
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| 03:00:51 | JdGordon | well.. if the codec threads gets it whlie running then it should be fairly easy to overflow.. it sits at 97% on my h300 |
| 03:01:05 | amiconn | It doesn't _sit_ at 97% |
| 03:01:22 | JdGordon | woops, yeah, max is 97% |
| 03:01:27 | amiconn | The thread debug screen shows the maximum a thread ever used since boot |
| 03:01:44 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:01:50 | amiconn | I can tell you which codec eats most |
| 03:01:55 | amiconn | It's mpa.codec |
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| 03:02:31 | amiconn | But now, sleep |
| 03:03:13 | JdGordon | enjoy |
| 03:06:46 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
| 03:07:17 | scorche | do dooooo do do do |
| 03:09:58 | jhMikeS | whew, don't know what went wrong but it's operating again with a fresh build |
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| 03:30:15 | midgey34 | for anyone interested, i posted a new version of blackjack on the tracker |
| 03:30:49 | Soap | Does your new blackjack involve the removal of clothing? |
| 03:31:23 | midgey34 | well, i guess you could remove your clothing while playing ;) |
| 03:31:36 | * | Paul_the_Nerd doesn't need to hear about it if you do. |
| 03:32:07 | Soap | If I had a rockbox tshirt I would never remove it. |
| 03:32:22 | midgey34 | not even for blackjack? |
| 03:32:24 | aliask | I'd feel sorry for the t-shirt. |
| 03:33:30 | scorche | i got the last one a while back =) |
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| 04:05:38 | webguest22 | Hello? Can Someone help me out with the Rockbox install!!?? |
| 04:06:08 | webguest22 | Anyone... |
| 04:07:21 | aliask | Sure, what's up? |
| 04:07:45 | webguest22 | Finally.. |
| 04:08:06 | scorche | finally?...it was 2 min... |
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| 04:08:24 | aliask | Fine then I won't help you :P |
| 04:08:28 | webguest22 | Well I cant seem to find my Ipod on the "ipodpatcher.exe |
| 04:08:41 | webguest22 | 2 long minutes |
| 04:08:53 | scorche | have more patience =) |
| 04:08:57 | scorche | what device is it? |
| 04:09:16 | webguest22 | The ipod IS on "disk mode" adn I can see it on my hard drive tree thing |
| 04:09:34 | aliask | What iPod? |
| 04:09:46 | webguest22 | 4G gray scale |
| 04:10:01 | webguest22 | I've gone up to numbers 77 and nothing |
| 04:10:08 | aliask | Start with 0? |
| 04:10:17 | webguest22 | Yes |
| 04:10:20 | webguest22 | I did |
| 04:10:36 | scorche | you must have missed something... |
| 04:10:43 | aliask | Well, it's probably gonna be under 25 |
| 04:11:11 | webguest22 | It has to be right. Atleast thats what the website said but I can't seem to find it |
| 04:11:18 | webguest22 | I'll retry |
| 04:11:26 | scorche | please do |
| 04:12:11 | scorche | if you still cant find it, copy the ehole process to pastebin.ca |
| 04:14:29 | webguest22 | Curses!! I didn't find a damn thing |
| 04:16:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Do any numbers give any sort of different message? |
| 04:16:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | And, are you on windows 2000 or XP? |
| 04:17:51 | webguest22 | No same messege and I'm on ME |
| 04:18:12 | * | scorche shudders |
| 04:18:19 | webguest22 | I'm looking thru the forums right now |
| 04:18:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm not sure the tools work properly on ME, that might be your problem right there. |
| 04:18:36 | webguest22 | damn |
| 04:18:39 | scorche | does anything? =P |
| 04:18:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:19:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think it's the pre-NT Windows that don't work, in general |
| 04:19:16 | webguest22 | I have a copy of XP but If I install that crap I might aswell use Itunes! |
| 04:19:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | You're running ME |
| 04:19:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | XP is a *good* thing in comparison |
| 04:19:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | If you were on 2K, I could handle you not wanting to upgrade. |
| 04:19:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Even 98SE if you justified it with the right reasons. |
| 04:19:57 | scorche | mistake edition |
| 04:19:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | But ME... no. |
| 04:20:24 | webguest22 | Me rules!!! okay |
| 04:20:28 | webguest22 | haha |
| 04:20:31 | Soap | On top of everything else ME just shouldn't be on the net. |
| 04:20:42 | webguest22 | Yeah, I loved 98SE |
| 04:20:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes, ME needs to be banned from the interweb. |
| 04:20:52 | Soap | there are less and less ways to secure it everyday. |
| 04:21:02 | webguest22 | But anyways, back to helping me out with this |
| 04:21:28 | Soap | do you have access to a NT box you could repeat the process on? |
| 04:21:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Boot a Linux LiveCD, and just use that |
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| 04:21:54 | webguest22 | I dont have either of those |
| 04:22:02 | scorche | and dont stop after rockbox is installed... |
| 04:22:26 | kkurbjun | wow, there's been alot of patches committed since I last updated.. |
| 04:22:27 | webguest22 | what? |
| 04:22:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest22: Linux LiveCDs are freely available, just download an image and burn it. |
| 04:22:52 | Soap | scorce ment don't stop using linux after you get rockbox installed. |
| 04:23:29 | scorche | is tab-completion that hard? =P |
| 04:23:31 | Soap | s/scorce/scorche |
| 04:23:36 | webguest22 | Linux huh, I've been meaning to dable in its evils but have not done it yet |
| 04:23:43 | webguest22 | I'm a linux virgin |
| 04:28:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, a liveCD is an easy way to try it. |
| 04:28:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Doesn't put any files on your computer, or anything |
| 04:29:43 | webguest22 | okay, so I just use ut to boot off of it? |
| 04:29:52 | webguest22 | it* |
| 04:36:53 | webguest22 | So anyways, when I fanilly get this thing going, will I be able to drag and drop the mp3 on the ipod and have them play? is that how it wirks? |
| 04:39:55 | Soap | can be |
| 04:40:04 | Soap | that is the default way to browse music. |
| 04:43:08 | webguest22 | Well, thanks for trying to help guys. Its dinner time. |
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| 06:35:02 | noname28 | hey I just got my first iPod ever today and my friend has been telling me if I ever get one I need to use rockbox, and I had a few questions |
| 06:35:27 | noname28 | first being can I use iTunes Music Store songs and videos and games with it? |
| 06:36:43 | noname28 | crap are all you ppl idel? |
| 06:40:41 | noname28 | nvm got my answer |
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| 06:41:29 | bagawk | did not even wait more than a minute :P |
| 06:41:50 | bagawk | but I guess he is right |
| 06:42:02 | * | bagawk is probably the biggest idler in here |
| 06:48:39 | BHSPitMonkey | I like how he accused the channel of idling, after being here a whopping 2 minutes |
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| 07:52:24 | dre | how cool is this....friend wants me to fix crappy ipod and i go looking for a new os and i find a link to irc!!! |
| 07:52:46 | dre | so yea guess yall are pretyt used to it seeing as how your all here |
| 07:53:27 | dre | so i dont even own one, its my friends, where do i start to learn about the specs on it, so im not quite so noob....or is there a quick way to tell the diff between a 5th gen video ipod and a 5.5? |
| 07:57:13 | scorche | when did he get it? |
| 07:57:33 | dre | nvm i just found a link to apple site explaining about how to check the serial number |
| 07:57:52 | scorche | that too |
| 07:57:56 | dre | and yea i think its too old to be the new ones |
| 07:58:02 | dre | or they hump it daily |
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| 08:01:06 | dre | No. It is highly unlikely that Rockbox will ever support playback of DRM encrypted audio files <−−-fight the man! |
| 08:03:51 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:03:56 | JdGordon | scorche: wanna help me completly rewrite the tree browser? |
| 08:04:06 | JdGordon | morning amiconn |
| 08:04:19 | scorche | do i? |
| 08:04:32 | JdGordon | do you? |
| 08:04:38 | scorche | do i? |
| 08:04:42 | JdGordon | guess not |
| 08:04:47 | scorche | ;) |
| 08:04:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, the problem regarding calling the ata callbacks from system_flush doesn't exist |
| 08:04:56 | * | JdGordon thinks lots of waste could be got rid of from tree.c |
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| 08:05:11 | JdGordon | ok nice |
| 08:05:16 | amiconn | default_event_handler (and hence system_flush) always run in the main thread |
| 08:05:30 | amiconn | ...so there should be enough stack |
| 08:05:31 | JdGordon | i just commited the fix to remove the calls from ata*.c |
| 08:05:49 | JdGordon | oh, i thought default_event_handler was run in whatever thread it was called in? |
| 08:06:00 | JdGordon | brb |
| 08:06:06 | * | amiconn just test-builds the archos lcd asm move to target tree |
| 08:07:37 | * | amiconn thniks we need a decision what to do with gmini code |
| 08:07:50 | amiconn | I vote for removing it completely |
| 08:08:18 | scorche | at what stage was it before it was stalled? |
| 08:08:42 | amiconn | It gets in the way of the target tree move and the port is dead for more than a year |
| 08:09:27 | amiconn | Iirc the core booted. No audio, and I don't know which other features didn't work yet |
| 08:10:06 | amiconn | The code probably won't even compile anymore |
| 08:10:20 | scorche | yeah...i doubt that as well |
| 08:11:07 | amiconn | ...and it's hard to even test that because you need a very special gcc |
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| 08:11:36 | scorche | i would vote for removal as well, but i hate throwing out code |
| 08:12:23 | scorche | possibly a hosted zip with the files and load onto the wiki? |
| 08:12:57 | amiconn | We already removed code for a target in the past (the Neo) |
| 08:13:30 | amiconn | Although less code was removed because the Neo is also SH based |
| 08:14:23 | amiconn | ...and OpenNeo is a fork of rockbox, so the code isn't really lost |
| 08:14:26 | * | JdGordon has no problems with dumping the gmini code |
| 08:14:55 | amiconn | Besides, the code isn't lost if we remove it. It will stay forever in the cvs history |
| 08:15:36 | scorche | what about when we eventually swith over to svn? =P |
| 08:15:55 | JdGordon | doesnt the history go across also? |
| 08:16:22 | scorche | that is why i was asking...i dont know |
| 08:18:09 | amiconn | If we do it, the gmini code removal should be a separate commit, clearly marked as that |
| 08:18:44 | JdGordon | we could move it to TT in its current state and not worry about weather it compiles or not.. its fairly trivial, unless its mixed in with alot of other code? |
| 08:19:58 | amiconn | Gmini code is mixed into a lot of files. ata.c, system.c and lcd-recorder.c are the ones that come to mind first |
| 08:20:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Will you do the lcd-h100.c split? |
| 08:21:44 | JdGordon | not a single gmini 120 on ebay |
| 08:22:28 | amiconn | gmini 120 and gmini sp where the 2 targets |
| 08:23:00 | JdGordon | no sp's either |
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| 08:47:32 | JdGordon | does anyone want to give tomas a nudge to hurry up and commit the ifp7xx move to TT pathc? |
| 08:48:00 | BlackHoleOfCode | Grrr... I'm trying to compile the latest CVS build with the WMA patches from marsdady and linuxstb, and I keep getting "No rule to make target `system-target.h'" |
| 08:48:28 | BlackHoleOfCode | marcoen said the fix was to add $(TARGET_INC) to CFLAGS in the Makefile, but he didn't say which makefile. |
| 08:48:50 | JdGordon | apps/codec/wma folder |
| 08:48:52 | JdGordon | proably |
| 08:48:59 | BlackHoleOfCode | Tried that one, but same problem |
| 08:49:07 | BlackHoleOfCode | I also tried adding it to the apps/codecs/Makefile |
| 08:49:56 | BlackHoleOfCode | I turned off SILENT mode so I can see the parameters passed to each command. Make doesn't get anything outside of the -C, OBJDIR=, and OUTPUT= commands. |
| 08:51:44 | amiconn | Turning off SILENT is very simple. Just use 'make V=1' |
| 08:52:37 | amiconn | Did you reconfigure recently? If not, that might be the problem |
| 08:53:16 | BlackHoleOfCode | Yeah, I did that |
| 08:53:20 | JdGordon | also make clean |
| 08:53:25 | JdGordon | for some reason makes a difference |
| 08:53:40 | BlackHoleOfCode | Well, every time I make clean, when I try to configure again, it says it can't locate the source root |
| 08:53:54 | BlackHoleOfCode | When I tell it where it is, it jumps to my home folder instead. |
| 08:55:22 | BlackHoleOfCode | I'm not entirely sure what make clean is bashing, but it seems like it causes some important files to go missing. |
| 08:55:32 | amiconn | Another reason might be that you have missing source files |
| 08:55:37 | JdGordon | which folder are u running configure from? |
| 08:55:47 | BlackHoleOfCode | source root, not tools |
| 08:56:01 | JdGordon | did u make a new folder for the build? |
| 08:56:07 | BlackHoleOfCode | so... ~/rockbox-daily-20061109 |
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| 08:56:45 | JdGordon | mkdir build; cd build; ../tools/configure |
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| 08:56:56 | JdGordon | _might_ make a diff.... |
| 08:57:49 | BlackHoleOfCode | hrm... making... |
| 08:58:01 | amiconn | BlackHoleOfCode: Configuring from the source root and then making clean *will* trash the source tree for sure |
| 08:58:14 | amiconn | The docs say that you need a separate build dir |
| 08:58:57 | BlackHoleOfCode | ah, ok. I looked through them, but I must've missed that part |
| 08:59:51 | BlackHoleOfCode | ok, thx. I got past that error. Now I just need to fix the undefined refs to sin and cos |
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| 09:03:06 | BlackHoleOfCode | thanks again |
| 09:03:08 | BlackHoleOfCode | g'nite |
| 09:03:17 | BlackHoleOfCode | or g'day for those not in EST |
| 09:03:25 | Bagder | morning! |
| 09:03:27 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 09:03:39 | JdGordon | what about those not in USA at all? |
| 09:03:45 | BlackHoleOfCode | That too. :) |
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| 09:07:30 | oxygen77 | hello all, there use to be a link to the descrambler tool on rockbox website ? has it moved ? or is it the file that has been removed ? |
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| 09:08:02 | oxygen77 | it used to be in rockbox.haxx.se/tools/descrambler.exe |
| 09:08:30 | Slasheri | that file is available in the rockbox cvs, you need to download and compile it |
| 09:08:30 | JdGordon | maybe on download.rockbox.org? |
| 09:10:20 | Bagder | I don't think we host binaries of that tool |
| 09:10:48 | oxygen77 | k |
| 09:10:53 | oxygen77 | thx |
| 09:13:35 | oxygen77 | I'll see how to provide the bin on my website, isthere was some legal issue with it ? |
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| 09:34:33 | parcelbrat_ | has anyone looked into porting to a Dell DJ G1? I would like to know if it has been deemed infeasible before i start researching the idea |
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| 09:36:31 | scorche | parcelbrat_: look at the wiki page NewPort |
| 09:37:27 | parcelbrat_ | i did, and I am willing to consider trying, I just want to make sure that the idea isn't hopeless before I start |
| 09:37:42 | scorche | it gives idead to help you figure that out |
| 09:37:47 | scorche | ideas |
| 09:37:53 | scorche | afaik, no one has loked into it |
| 09:38:16 | parcelbrat_ | k, i'll start looking into it more. |
| 09:39:59 | parcelbrat_ | i'm outta here for now, but i'll probably return if the research returns fruitful. Thanks for the help |
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| 10:59:39 | amiconn | LinusN, Bagder: Any opinions on the gmini code? |
| 10:59:54 | LinusN | kill it |
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| 11:00:52 | diluted^ | sup |
| 11:01:02 | diluted^ | where can i get themes and stuff for rockbox |
| 11:03:49 | JdGordon | death to the gmini!!! |
| 11:04:32 | * | scorche gets out the guillotine and hands out tomatoes to the crowd |
| 11:04:45 | diluted^ | why u guy s gotta be gay |
| 11:05:00 | diluted^ | im new to this, explain please |
| 11:05:09 | JdGordon | have you looked at the website? |
| 11:05:09 | scorche | diluted^: i assure you...i am very heterosexual |
| 11:05:17 | diluted^ | yea |
| 11:05:31 | diluted^ | and why won't it display the songs in order |
| 11:05:33 | JdGordon | scorche: /me begs to differ.. you did want me to hold your hand.... :D |
| 11:05:37 | diluted^ | its alphabetical |
| 11:05:39 | diluted^ | ;( |
| 11:05:48 | scorche | JdGordon: only in a platonical sense |
| 11:05:49 | JdGordon | diluted^: read the manual and come back |
| 11:05:56 | diluted^ | lol |
| 11:06:09 | diluted^ | okay then anwser me this where can i find themes |
| 11:06:16 | diluted^ | cause these little ass letters hurts my head. |
| 11:06:18 | JdGordon | the manual |
| 11:07:21 | diluted^ | i dunno, this shit kind of sucks |
| 11:07:25 | diluted^ | did i void out my warrantY? |
| 11:07:37 | JdGordon | im assuming your using an ipod.. so no |
| 11:07:53 | * | JdGordon loves making assumptions about ipod owners :D |
| 11:08:12 | scorche | well it is true =) |
| 11:08:24 | diluted^ | like |
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| 11:08:28 | diluted^ | you guys arent helpful |
| 11:08:34 | JdGordon | thank you :) |
| 11:08:37 | diluted^ | i dont see shit about themes |
| 11:08:44 | scorche | only because you dont seem to be able to help yourself |
| 11:08:57 | JdGordon | i dont tend to look for shit.. and when i do i usually find it in the toilet |
| 11:09:04 | * | JdGordon wonders why he is looking for shit here? |
| 11:09:09 | diluted^ | and when i select one of the theme's it comes with |
| 11:09:15 | diluted^ | it doesnt do anything or change anything |
| 11:09:51 | scorche | have you tried playing a song? |
| 11:10:11 | diluted^ | yes |
| 11:10:19 | diluted^ | and its fucking slow for being saved in ram |
| 11:10:22 | scorche | and it looks the same? |
| 11:10:31 | diluted^ | i could think faster than it finds the songs |
| 11:10:34 | scorche | cut out the swearing please...this is a technical place |
| 11:10:41 | diluted^ | lolz ok |
| 11:10:53 | scorche | and never say lolz again.. |
| 11:11:26 | JdGordon | haha |
| 11:11:34 | diluted^ | did your dumb ass make this shit |
| 11:11:46 | * | scorche sighs |
| 11:11:53 | diluted^ | :] |
| 11:12:01 | diluted^ | well stop making fun of me homos |
| 11:12:46 | scorche | i am advising you of our guidelines here...and stop making fun of homosexuals by using those terms in that context |
| 11:12:56 | diluted^ | lol dude chill out |
| 11:13:00 | diluted^ | its words on a computer screen |
| 11:13:10 | diluted^ | but man i just want to know how to get a different theme going on |
| 11:13:23 | diluted^ | something more user friendly, my friends arent going to know how to use this crap |
| 11:13:27 | JdGordon | look at the damn manual |
| 11:13:29 | scorche | and those words are logged and are read by many people looking for information...they dont want to hear that |
| 11:14:09 | nudelyn | I thought the kid in Prison Break got shot a couple of episodes ago but here he is on IRC! |
| 11:14:23 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:14:33 | diluted^ | yeah and i thought the 40 year old virgin was a fictional movie character |
| 11:14:33 | scorche | heh |
| 11:14:50 | nudelyn | i'm only 30! |
| 11:15:16 | LinusN | :-) again |
| 11:15:19 | aliask | HAHAHAHA |
| 11:15:21 | aliask | I just sat down |
| 11:15:25 | aliask | This was a great read |
| 11:15:27 | aliask | Thank you all :) |
| 11:15:29 | scorche | well enjoy the show! |
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| 11:16:28 | scorche | oh...btw, i didnt have time today..i will send it tomorrow |
| 11:16:59 | diluted^ | all you had to do was tell me http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ |
| 11:17:00 | diluted^ | jeeze |
| 11:17:16 | scorche | glad to see you bothered to start looking =) |
| 11:17:45 | markun | diluted^: or here http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 11:17:51 | scorche | haha |
| 11:17:54 | diluted^ | i already have the pdf |
| 11:17:58 | JdGordon | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=rockbox+themes&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial <- really we didnt have t tell you anything if you used your brain |
| 11:18:21 | markun | diluted^: WPS (while playing screen) is the 'theme' |
| 11:18:22 | scorche | JdGordon: stop assuming things about people |
| 11:18:25 | diluted^ | a guy named julius told me to get this stuff |
| 11:18:26 | scorche | ;) |
| 11:18:31 | diluted^ | and he told me that he makes themes, anyone use them |
| 11:18:33 | diluted^ | ;| |
| 11:18:44 | JdGordon | so why didnt you just ask juliuis? |
| 11:18:50 | JdGordon | and his themes are pretty nice |
| 11:18:52 | diluted^ | hes not on his computer |
| 11:19:07 | markun | diluted^: some more themes: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 11:19:46 | diluted^ | cool, thank you |
| 11:20:43 | diluted^ | once i activate the id3 cache view |
| 11:20:49 | diluted^ | do i have to reset it every time or no |
| 11:20:52 | LinusN | i wonder if any of the 3rd party themes work after mike changed the order of the codecs in the wps |
| 11:21:22 | diluted^ | I dont have to worry about audio codec problems since I use only mp3's |
| 11:21:25 | diluted^ | correct |
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| 11:25:54 | LinusN | diluted^: mp3 works just fine |
| 11:27:53 | diluted^ | one more |
| 11:28:13 | diluted^ | whats the difference between 5g and 5g64mb ipods |
| 11:28:24 | LinusN | the RAM memory size |
| 11:28:48 | scorche | the 60 gig versions are 64 mb |
| 11:29:03 | diluted^ | ok |
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| 11:29:06 | diluted^ | gotcha thanks |
| 11:36:24 | diluted^ | a new theme requires player restart or what |
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| 11:37:24 | diluted^ | data abort at e8000007a lolz |
| 11:38:17 | diluted^ | lol wtf now its back to apple's display |
| 11:38:20 | diluted^ | what did i do o_O |
| 11:38:40 | JdGordon | you broke it |
| 11:38:54 | diluted^ | i guess holding menu makes it load apple's software |
| 11:39:12 | scorche | yes |
| 11:39:35 | diluted^ | whats these errors lol! |
| 11:39:44 | diluted^ | undefined instruction at ee7a1204 |
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| 11:42:29 | diluted^ | ok ok i love rock box |
| 11:42:31 | diluted^ | thanks guys |
| 11:42:33 | diluted^ | ;D |
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| 11:42:48 | scorche | from your "lolz" i would assume you can read 13375p34k....rockbox doesnt currently like you, so it is giving you the e8000007a or E-BOOOOOT class A...and you use it more and more, it will learn to like you more and more and eventually you will get the E-LOOOOVE class A which will turn your ipod into an egg and you get to start over with a new device with better stats and it will look slightly different |
| 11:42:49 | diluted^ | er |
| 11:43:02 | diluted^ | as soon as i typed that it made a static noise and crashed again |
| 11:43:04 | diluted^ | lol |
| 11:43:47 | diluted^ | 11375p34k? |
| 11:44:15 | * | amiconn thinks he shouldn't commit stuff when he's not quite awake |
| 11:44:19 | diluted^ | this shit keeps on crashin :( |
| 11:44:20 | amiconn | "aseembler" |
| 11:44:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: meh, its not like anyone actually reads the commit message |
| 11:45:21 | diluted^ | 1 4/\/\ T3|-| 31337 |
| 11:45:39 | scorche | JdGordon: you were right...look what i started |
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| 11:47:15 | JdGordon | diluted^: ok, i appologise for before.. we lack certain people skills.. which is why we are classes as geeks and code all day... but if you seriously want help, and great themes.. /msg dongs |
| 11:47:30 | JdGordon | he is online, but not in the channel, give him a buzz.. he is very helpful |
| 11:48:04 | diluted^ | right |
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| 11:50:23 | diluted^ | should i message manmeat if dongs isnt available |
| 11:50:57 | JdGordon | who the hell is manmeat? |
| 11:51:12 | scorche | dongs is real...you can do a /who or /whois to check |
| 11:51:28 | diluted^ | okay, thought you were being sarcastic |
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| 12:02:00 | diluted^ | and themes that show album artwork need specific builds to work |
| 12:02:09 | diluted^ | i tried one, and it crashes every time :( |
| 12:02:16 | diluted^ | i think when trying to load the artwork |
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| 12:08:47 | diluted^ | well thanks guys |
| 12:08:53 | diluted^ | using bloodstain for 5g ipod |
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| 12:34:29 | ]RowaN[ | guys im getting "codec failure" with the latest cvs build (iriver h120) when trying to play mp3s, just wondering if im alone |
| 12:35:06 | JdGordon | did u update all the rockbox files or just rockbox.iriver? |
| 12:36:22 | ]RowaN[ | all |
| 12:36:25 | ]RowaN[ | also i get "filetype string buffer empty" on boot |
| 12:36:38 | ]RowaN[ | but ive been getting that for a few builds now |
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| 12:37:15 | markun | ]RowaN[: do you have a rockbox.iriver in your .rockbox/ ? |
| 12:37:36 | voyeur | hi |
| 12:37:38 | ]RowaN[ | yes |
| 12:37:38 | obo | ]RowaN[: "filetype string buffer empty" can be caused by too many entries in the tagnavi.config file |
| 12:38:09 | ]RowaN[ | tag cache? i dont use that feature as far as im aware.. can i just delete the file? |
| 12:38:22 | markun | ]RowaN[: then I think it's running this older .rockbox/rockbox.iriver |
| 12:38:57 | voyeur | can you tell me if barrywardell managed to read/write on sansa's player NAND flash ? |
| 12:39:18 | obo | the stock file included in the zip shouldn't cause that problem - must be something else... |
| 12:39:22 | barrywardell | voyeur: yes I have had some success |
| 12:39:34 | ]RowaN[ | what do you mean? i dont have rockbox.iriver on the root, only in the /.rockbox/ folder, where i manually moved it to, as i always do when installing new builds |
| 12:39:39 | barrywardell | voyeur: there is still a problem with switching banks though |
| 12:39:49 | ]RowaN[ | <−− proud owner of 8gb sansa =] |
| 12:39:50 | voyeur | barrywardell: thanks for the comment |
| 12:39:52 | markun | ]RowaN[: aha, then that's not the problem |
| 12:40:39 | barrywardell | voyeur: i'm working with dan_a on getting it fixed, so hopefully it won't be long |
| 12:41:03 | voyeur | barrywardell:maybe but if it works on the first or second one, it's almost done :) |
| 12:42:47 | voyeur | barrywardell : maybe a little word on the forum about these sucess would be good for the ones as me visiting each day/minute/second the dedicated topic ? |
| 12:43:21 | obo | ]RowaN[: have you reset the settings? |
| 12:43:58 | barrywardell | voyeur: yes, maybe soon. there are still a few bugs to be ironed out yet though |
| 12:44:38 | voyeur | true :) |
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| 12:47:46 | ]RowaN[ | settings reset... |
| 12:47:48 | ]RowaN[ | errors persist |
| 12:48:43 | JdGordon | delete your whole .rockbox folder and start again? |
| 12:48:58 | obo | have you flashed your iriver? |
| 12:49:04 | ]RowaN[ | not flashed |
| 12:50:29 | ]RowaN[ | hmm cant seen to rename the .rockbox folder |
| 12:50:42 | JdGordon | you in windows? |
| 12:51:02 | ]RowaN[ | yep |
| 12:51:23 | JdGordon | explorer wont let you rename it? try it at the command prompt |
| 12:51:32 | ]RowaN[ | ah works in cmd |
| 12:51:33 | ]RowaN[ | yes |
| 12:52:45 | ]RowaN[ | hmm fails to boot into rockbox now, goes to iriver firmware every time |
| 12:53:12 | obo | chkdsk it? |
| 12:54:30 | ]RowaN[ | "windows was unable to complete the disk check" |
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| 12:55:29 | Kohlrabi | Is any process locking reading/writing? (highly ulikely though) |
| 12:56:52 | ]RowaN[ | ah seems fine now |
| 12:56:59 | ]RowaN[ | with a clean .rockbox folder |
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| 13:00:17 | ]RowaN[ | back to work for me.. |
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| 13:02:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: you said putting the ata_idle call in system_flush works? |
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| 13:21:00 | amiconn | obo: "filetype string buffer empty" doesn't have anything to do with tagcache |
| 13:21:13 | amiconn | It's caused by too many entries in viewers.config |
| 13:21:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: It should. but I didn't test it yet |
| 13:21:39 | JdGordon | that buffer should be increaed.. its excaclty correct now |
| 13:21:40 | obo | amiconn: I thought I saw something in the forums about the tagnavi... bad string2icon entries? |
| 13:22:39 | amiconn | I don't get that message on any of my targets |
| 13:22:51 | amiconn | obo: No, just too many entries for the buffer to hold |
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| 13:26:23 | JdGordon | does the logf outpu get saved to disk on shutdown? |
| 13:26:45 | * | JdGordon doesnt know how to test this... |
| 13:26:56 | JdGordon | logf goes too quickly to see if the callback was called or not |
| 13:27:35 | jack2 | hi, got a question about ipod hardware. Does any generation of ipod include a hardware decoder, e.g. for AAC and MP3 data, or is all decoding done in software? |
| 13:29:14 | obo | not sure about the shuffle, but the rest are software |
| 13:30:12 | jack2 | obo: interesting, thanks. |
| 13:30:58 | jack2 | how about video decoding? is that software also? |
| 13:31:19 | obo | there is broadcom decoder chip in the ipod videos |
| 13:32:29 | jack2 | thanks |
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| 13:33:50 | Slasheri | hmm, now rockbox tagcache almost compiles on pc :) |
| 13:34:06 | Slasheri | soon it should be possible to build tagcache natively on pc |
| 13:37:11 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 13:37:21 | JdGordon | .. aparently... |
| 13:38:41 | JdGordon | Slasheri: do you have any idea how file browsing could be implemented int he TC view? |
| 13:39:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: Very simple. Change a setting, and without browsing anywhere do a shutdown |
| 13:40:12 | amiconn | After reboot, check whether the setting retained its new value |
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| 13:41:23 | JdGordon | ok, i did the morre difficult way :p change volume in the wps while the disk was off and do a shutdown, adding a 1sec sleep in the callback slowed it down so i assume it worked |
| 13:41:54 | JdGordon | anyway, commited, its only a tiny change so if it needs to come out its easy to |
| 13:42:40 | JdGordon | grr... the commit is on the frontapge, but the build hasnt started yet |
| 13:45:16 | amiconn | Yeah, the wonders of the build system |
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| 13:47:47 | JdGordon | what are .t files? |
| 13:48:00 | JdGordon | in www/ |
| 13:48:24 | aliask | Maybe http://www.filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=t ? |
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| 13:50:24 | rasher | JdGordon: .t files are used to compile the html files. They're run through some makefile anc cpp magic |
| 13:51:15 | JdGordon | oh, ok... is the "compiled" version of the cvs.shtml file or the script it reads the latest build available somewhere? |
| 13:51:21 | Slasheri | JdGordon: maybe the easiest way would be add add some special entries to the tagnavi.config like "Browse files" and that would change the fileview |
| 13:51:42 | JdGordon | Slasheri: you cant change back then? |
| 13:51:56 | Slasheri | and file browser would then automatically switch back to tagcache browser |
| 13:52:03 | rasher | JdGordon: Unfortunately, much of the www dir is outdated, because "someone" forgets to commit their changes to cvs |
| 13:52:06 | Slasheri | it should be possible to change back |
| 13:52:15 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:52:27 | Slasheri | if file browser detects dirlevel is not 0 and we are still in the root directory, then change back to the tagcache view |
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| 13:53:04 | JdGordon | Bagder: is the cvs.shtml script available? |
| 13:53:37 | Slasheri | but argh, now Makefile is a real mess with all kind of includes in it when trying to build tagcache on pc |
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| 13:54:16 | Slasheri | most troubles is caused by id3 metadata parser located inside firmware-directory.. |
| 13:54:27 | Slasheri | that seems to be too rockbox firmware dependent |
| 13:54:32 | rasher | Slasheri: By the way, tagcache is (possibly) getting renamed to "Database" |
| 13:54:41 | Slasheri | rasher: yes, i noticed that |
| 13:54:55 | Slasheri | sounds ok to me |
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| 13:55:26 | Slasheri | but i would like to keep all source files names intact |
| 13:55:42 | rasher | Sure, renaming is a no-go with cvs anyway |
| 13:55:46 | Slasheri | nice |
| 13:56:17 | rasher | The patch I made renames the tagcache_* files - they're simply set in the #defines and not anywhere else, right? |
| 13:56:39 | Slasheri | correct |
| 13:56:54 | rasher | Should be no problem then. Other than people having to rebuild |
| 13:57:04 | rasher | (I did this because they're mentioned in the manual) |
| 13:57:10 | JdGordon | sounds like to a good time to break the format then :D |
| 13:57:21 | rasher | Good point |
| 13:57:36 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hmm, do you have any additions to the format in mind? |
| 13:57:47 | JdGordon | no, i was being silly |
| 13:57:50 | Slasheri | at least rtc and manual score tags could be added |
| 13:57:53 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 14:01:33 | JdGordon | Slasheri: anyway, the reason i asked before was because i was thiking about how the tree code should be redone to allow TC and file browsing to be usable together if wanted |
| 14:02:22 | JdGordon | I want to completly change the tree so it can be used for stuff like a save-as or open file screen |
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| 14:03:28 | JdGordon | I think it might even drop the binary size down to let rombox compile again |
| 14:05:47 | JdGordon | anywho.. im going to bed.. 12 hours and ill have started my 3 month holiday :D |
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| 14:32:16 | roolku | rasher/slasheri: when renaming the database/tagcache files - would it be possible o put them in a subdirectory of .rockbox |
| 14:33:02 | Slasheri | roolku: hmm, maybe. but i don't have any idea of that :) |
| 14:33:23 | Slasheri | should got tagcache compiling natively on pc without warnings or errors :) |
| 14:33:27 | Slasheri | *just |
| 14:33:40 | Slasheri | next thing would be actually try to use it ;) |
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| 14:37:10 | rasher | That sounds nice - using the same source files as rockbox? |
| 14:37:47 | amiconn | Slasheri: How do you specify the target endianness, and the necessity of strict alignment? |
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| 14:44:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is still undecided.. currently it works only on host endian |
| 14:44:50 | Slasheri | rasher: yep |
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| 14:45:21 | Slasheri | rasher: then tools directory contains a new program "database" that can be used to create and commit tagcache |
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| 14:45:52 | Deef | Using cygwin, I'm trying to edit my PATH variable in .bash_profile |
| 14:45:54 | Slasheri | and with all logf debug messages too :) |
| 14:46:09 | Deef | but windows is saving in a different format I can't seem to get around |
| 14:46:41 | Deef | anyone else using cygwin? |
| 14:48:30 | rasher | Deef: Try using a cygwin editor |
| 14:48:39 | rasher | Don't know what's included.. nano perhaps |
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| 15:38:52 | Deef | 2 questiosn.. When using make to compile a daily build, I'm getting a 'File format not recognised' when it reaches apps/lang.o |
| 15:39:19 | Deef | Second question is, should I be seeing a rockbox.iriver file created at all (as I'm not) |
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| 15:47:41 | rasher | I don't know what's going on with apps/lang.o, but you definitely should get a rockbox.iriver file |
| 15:47:53 | rasher | I guess the solution to problem 1 would solve problem 2 as well |
| 15:48:09 | Deef | well, changed to a dev build and prob 1 is gone |
| 15:48:20 | Deef | Still not rockbox.iriver file though |
| 15:48:26 | Deef | But the simulation runs |
| 15:48:38 | Deef | Thanks for the suggestion before btw.. |
| 15:48:57 | rasher | Wait, you were building a simulator? |
| 15:49:03 | Deef | Couldn't find an/the editor, but found a command to fix it up |
| 15:49:05 | rasher | The simulator doesn't build a rockbox.iriver file |
| 15:49:38 | Deef | So should I only get that file if I make a Normal build? |
| 15:49:43 | rasher | Yeah |
| 15:49:49 | Deef | which gives problem 1 |
| 15:49:52 | Deef | righto |
| 15:49:54 | rasher | the rockbox.iriver is replaced by rockboxui |
| 15:50:05 | Deef | ah ok |
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| 15:52:43 | markun | Deef: What's "a dev build" in this context? |
| 15:53:35 | Deef | in the makefile configuration I selected the (D)evel build |
| 15:54:14 | markun | Ah yes, of course |
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| 16:21:03 | webguest19 | Hello |
| 16:22:11 | webguest19 | I just discovered that there is one blackjack plugin in the patch tracker, is there any reason why isn't commited to cvs yet? |
| 16:22:35 | webguest19 | and it seems to be compatible for all rb devices |
| 16:22:44 | rasher | Probably not, I'm on the case (I made the last comment) |
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| 16:25:41 | webguest19 | rasher: you are working for make it commited? |
| 16:26:45 | rasher | webguest19: Yeah, I'll proably commit after he responds to my questions |
| 16:26:59 | webguest19 | I noticed your comment about the manual |
| 16:27:49 | webguest19 | if he don't do it, we probably can, since screenshots and keymapping are accessible via thee sim |
| 16:28:01 | webguest19 | *the |
| 16:28:41 | webguest19 | then if you want commit it, don't refrain you ;) |
| 16:28:46 | rasher | Yes, it's not absolutely necessary that he does it. I'd have done it too, if he won't or can't, I just figured it'd probably be easier for the author to do it |
| 16:29:08 | rasher | Plus, it's a good example to set. If every patch came with a manual patch as well, it'd be nice |
| 16:29:21 | webguest19 | yeah indeed, and imho he will do it, but in case we are a lot of rockbox folks :) |
| 16:29:40 | webguest19 | indeed too, new way to post a patch |
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| 16:30:03 | My_Sic | hi all |
| 16:30:45 | webguest19 | hi and bye |
| 16:31:09 | My_Sic | bye webguest19 |
| 16:31:18 | webguest19 | thx rasher, and hopefully you will commit the blackjack plugin |
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| 16:31:31 | My_Sic | Slasheri: have you take a look on my file ? |
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| 17:50:10 | My_Sic | please i need some help |
| 17:50:52 | My_Sic | i'm trying to understand rockbox code |
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| 17:51:13 | rasher | Just ask your question |
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| 17:51:48 | My_Sic | in seeting.h they have an int unplug_mode; to detect if the user have set yes or no to pause when headphone unplug |
| 17:51:54 | My_Sic | why don't use a bool ? |
| 17:53:14 | rasher | Don't know, maybe more settings than yes/no were considered |
| 17:53:20 | goffa | well went back to default fw on the h140... |
| 17:53:28 | goffa | gotta send it in :) |
| 17:55:31 | My_Sic | rasher: no it's using like a bool |
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| 17:55:42 | My_Sic | if (global_settings.unplug_mode) |
| 17:56:13 | rasher | I meant it was considered, but taken out or never used in the end |
| 17:56:17 | rasher | But I'm just guessing |
| 17:56:27 | My_Sic | ok |
| 17:56:37 | rasher | You can finde the patch in the tracker (closed), maybe that'll help |
| 17:59:13 | markun | goffa: for repair? |
| 17:59:31 | rasher | My_Sic: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899 |
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| 18:00:40 | obo | My_Sic: for unplug_mode, 0 is do nothing, 1 pause, 2 pause and resume |
| 18:00:50 | My_Sic | ok |
| 18:00:54 | My_Sic | why not a char ? |
| 18:00:55 | obo | so if (global_settings.unplug_mode) is just checking that the value is > 0 |
| 18:01:05 | My_Sic | i just want to understand the logic |
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| 18:06:47 | My_Sic | ousp |
| 18:06:51 | My_Sic | i have a probelm |
| 18:07:18 | My_Sic | i have just compiled a rockbox and it don't want to work |
| 18:07:42 | yper | Is it a common problem that a iPod nano freezes when charged with a wall charger and not via USB ? |
| 18:07:50 | My_Sic | i have "Aucun fichier" ("no file" or womethings like that in english) message at startup |
| 18:08:20 | My_Sic | what they mean ? |
| 18:08:28 | My_Sic | i have files on my ipod |
| 18:08:58 | rasher | Do you have the .rockbox directory? |
| 18:09:04 | My_Sic | yes |
| 18:12:22 | My_Sic | yper: mine ipod (5G) don't freeze |
| 18:13:50 | My_Sic | rasher: have you an idea where does this fail come from ? |
| 18:13:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: I have a Nano, and have no problems charging it from wall chargers, or any source. |
| 18:14:16 | rasher | My_Sic: No, I don't know. It'd be nice if you could give the error in English |
| 18:15:22 | yper | Hmm okok. Paul_the_Nerd what version do you have ? |
| 18:16:14 | My_Sic | rasher: "No files" |
| 18:16:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: Version of what? Ipod Nano, Apple software, Rockbox, Wall Charger, or what? |
| 18:16:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | My_Sic: Is that a translation of the error message, or is that the error message when you set Rockbox to English? |
| 18:16:46 | yper | nano and sofware |
| 18:17:01 | yper | apple software |
| 18:17:03 | rasher | My_Sic: that simply means that there are no visible files in the current directory |
| 18:17:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: Well, since Rockbox only runs on the 1st gen Nano, I'm sure that should be obvious. And I'm running Apple Firmware 1.2 right now. |
| 18:18:05 | My_Sic | i can see tha in my ipod because i can"t change the lang (rockbox don't works). "no files" messages is taken from english.lng if i can change the language it will be the error message |
| 18:18:10 | rasher | Try entering the menu and setting "General > File Browser > View files" to all |
| 18:18:19 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: ahh sorry for my poor knowledge.. ok the nano i got does have the version 1.1 Frimware and latest Rockbox on it. |
| 18:18:23 | My_Sic | i can't entering to the menu |
| 18:18:27 | My_Sic | i can't do anything |
| 18:18:28 | rasher | Why not? |
| 18:18:31 | yper | I am very puzzeled over this |
| 18:18:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: So, what kind of "freeze" do you get? What screen does it freeze on? |
| 18:18:34 | My_Sic | the ipod is freezing |
| 18:18:46 | My_Sic | and the harddisk is running |
| 18:18:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | My_Sic: Have you tried clearing the settings while booting? |
| 18:18:50 | My_Sic | yes |
| 18:19:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | And that apparently didn't work, since you got non-English error messages, right? |
| 18:19:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | So try again? |
| 18:19:18 | My_Sic | i have just dell all my .rockbox dir and restore it |
| 18:19:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | That doesn't clear setings |
| 18:19:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | settings |
| 18:19:27 | My_Sic | (so no config, no wps etc...) |
| 18:19:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | The settings are stored in a special sector on the disk. |
| 18:20:10 | My_Sic | ok |
| 18:20:21 | rasher | My_Sic: Try turning on the ipod, and immediately turn on hold |
| 18:20:26 | rasher | that should reset your settings |
| 18:20:43 | rasher | You should also reinstall Rockbox if you've deleted the Rockbox files |
| 18:20:43 | My_Sic | i try |
| 18:21:01 | My_Sic | (it's allready done) |
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| 18:22:08 | My_Sic | thanls |
| 18:22:11 | My_Sic | it's working |
| 18:22:16 | My_Sic | config cleared |
| 18:22:34 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: when I plug the wall charger in I get first the USB logo, then Rockbox logo, then charger logo and then it switches to a freezed mode where the screen is filled with the boot up text |
| 18:22:46 | odb|fidel_ | hello. i just updated my ipod (video) but if i select a sound file to play, i got the response: codec failure |
| 18:22:49 | odb|fidel_ | any idea ? |
| 18:23:04 | My_Sic | yes |
| 18:23:10 | rasher | odb|fidel_: You neglected to update both the .rockbox dir and rockbox.ipod |
| 18:23:12 | odb|fidel_ | todays build |
| 18:23:13 | My_Sic | maybe you trying to read .wma |
| 18:23:20 | odb|fidel_ | k |
| 18:23:22 | odb|fidel_ | thx |
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| 18:23:45 | odb|fidel_ | no tried several files |
| 18:23:57 | odb|fidel_ | gonna re-install all rockbix files |
| 18:24:07 | odb|fidel_ | thx for the hint |
| 18:24:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: That's because the iPod is trying to enter USB mode. Either be IN Rockbox and hold Menu down while you insert the charger, or be in the retail firmware. |
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| 18:24:33 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: okok thanks alot |
| 18:25:27 | My_Sic | Paul_the_Nerd: i want to know more about the storage of setting in a special sector on the disk |
| 18:25:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | My_Sic: Honestly, I don't know that much about it myself. |
| 18:25:59 | My_Sic | can you explain me a little ? |
| 18:26:01 | My_Sic | ok |
| 18:26:02 | My_Sic | thanks |
| 18:26:09 | My_Sic | anybody knows anithing ? |
| 18:26:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | The data is stored in a sector that is outside the partition (sector 61 I think?) so that it is preserved and cannot easily be accidentally overwritten. |
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| 18:26:41 | rasher | Yeah, there's not much else to say |
| 18:26:50 | My_Sic | ok |
| 18:26:55 | rasher | I think it's 63 on most harddisks |
| 18:26:58 | My_Sic | so i think i find why don't works |
| 18:27:04 | rasher | But that hardly matters. |
| 18:27:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: It's like... beginning of partition - 2, or something |
| 18:27:17 | My_Sic | didn't work* (because is working now) |
| 18:28:35 | My_Sic | so we can change "struct user_settings" without deletting config |
| 18:29:40 | WalterEgo | Is programming a very simple (text only) plugin for RB very difficult? ie, is it a bit like writing console app. or is it much more low level where you need to control every single thing like pixels or cpu boosting..? |
| 18:29:46 | rasher | Rather the opposite. Changing user_settings means that the current config on people's harddisks are no longer compatible |
| 18:29:59 | rasher | WalterEgo: it can be fairly simple |
| 18:30:09 | My_Sic | yes it's what i want to say |
| 18:30:17 | My_Sic | (sorry my english is not good) |
| 18:31:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | WalterEgo: It's mostly just learning the API offered to you, you can get away without really knowing any low-level stuff at all |
| 18:31:55 | rasher | The graphviz plugin for twiki is pretty fun |
| 18:32:30 | WalterEgo | rasher - I tried having a look at the plugin.h file, there's are a great many functions there... Say I want to make myself (not that I'm an egoist, but it'd be pretty poorly programmed anyway) a flatfile db for bus schedule from many parts around town, you see any api functions I *really* should know about before I go and build something up from the helloworld applet..? :p |
| 18:32:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: Actually, that could be kinda handy for finding lost or duplicate functioning pages easily, no? |
| 18:33:18 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: It's for creating in-page graphs, I don't know if you can graph pages, but that'd be pretty neat |
| 18:33:51 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DesktopTools#Dream_Tool |
| 18:33:55 | odb|fidel_ | rasher: thx again i forgot the .rockbox folder hehe |
| 18:33:59 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: hmm it does not seem to be working :( |
| 18:34:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: Which method are you trying, and what is happening? |
| 18:34:51 | rasher | odb|fidel_: no probem |
| 18:35:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: Yeah, I got that too, my brain just immediately skipped to "you could spider through the links and output something in a compatible format" though it'd probably be horribly complex looking. |
| 18:37:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: So, that graph was generated with it? |
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| 18:37:26 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: Yes, look at the source |
| 18:38:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: Ah, I just noticed that it was showing as an unhidden attachment to the page. |
| 18:39:04 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: I'm in Rockbox pressing the menu button and putting in the charger, same result as before |
| 18:39:04 | rasher | Yeah, it does that, I'm not sure how to hide it |
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| 18:40:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | yper: You are holding down the menu button (seeing the quick menu) until the charger is fully inserted? |
| 18:41:38 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: or wait a minute. It seems nothing at all is happening |
| 18:41:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | "Nothing at all"? |
| 18:42:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | As in, you plug it in, but didn't notice any change? |
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| 18:46:32 | yper | Paul_the_Nerd: exaclty it does not seem to be charging |
| 18:47:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is there now a new symbol in the left part of the status bar, near the battery icon? |
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| 18:52:45 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: The attached graph is less insane-sized |
| 18:52:54 | rasher | And outdated, it seems |
| 18:52:55 | rasher | strange |
| 18:54:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Odd |
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| 18:54:19 | rasher | A bunch of other versions are attached, but hidden |
| 18:54:52 | yipe | hi rockboxers, any tips on fixing an ipod that has been totally screwed up by my own stupidity, from within linux (meaning no itunes or other apple fixers) |
| 18:54:54 | yipe | ? |
| 18:55:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Depends on how screwed up "totally" is, as well as whether you have access to another identical iPod, or are willing to use Wine. |
| 18:56:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Oh, and possibly what sort of iPod it is. |
| 18:56:52 | yipe | wine is okay if I have to |
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| 18:57:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | What about the first question, what's actually wrong with it? |
| 18:58:26 | yipe | it's an ipod video, and the problem is that the second partition (the FAT one) is totally borked, fsck.vfat -a won't fix it, and I also seem to have at some point erased the original firmware, as the bootloader can't load either rockbox nor the apple os |
| 18:59:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Did you keep your Rockboot.bin, or at the *very* least your bootpartition.bin as instructed? |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:40 | yipe | I think so |
| 19:01:26 | yipe | in trying to reinstall rockbox, as per the instructions for linux, I might have..... extracted and then remixed rockbox with whatever junk is on that first partition :( |
| 19:02:02 | * | Paul_the_Nerd sighs. |
| 19:02:07 | yipe | :( |
| 19:02:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just try to run the restore tool in Wine. |
| 19:02:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | As long as you had a clean bootpartition.bin, there were other ways, but that's really the easiest, and I've heard it works. |
| 19:02:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | I personally don't know if it does. |
| 19:03:10 | yipe | it doesn't work with wine, it opens and immediately crashes |
| 19:03:27 | * | Paul_the_Nerd shrugs. |
| 19:03:42 | yipe | and I'm really unfamiliar with wine, so I don't know if there's a way to make it work or not |
| 19:04:00 | yipe | ugh, I'll just wait and fix it at school on a win-box... |
| 19:04:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is why we tell you to keep the bootpartition.bin. |
| 19:04:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm somewhat surprised you chose to overwrite it. |
| 19:04:47 | yipe | I wasn't thinking, I was just following the instructions on the linux install page |
| 19:05:02 | yipe | as soon as I did it I realised I had screwed up |
| 19:05:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well your best bet is honestly the windows machine. |
| 19:05:58 | yipe | that's what I thought |
| 19:06:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | The other solution is reformatting your iPod, getting a bootpartition.bin from someone who owns another video, getting an MBR from our wiki, and putting everything back together manually. |
| 19:09:25 | yipe | that would be nice if only I knew someone else with an ipod-video |
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| 19:10:17 | My_Sic | i have an ipod video 5G 60Go |
| 19:10:26 | My_Sic | i haven't read what's before |
| 19:10:30 | My_Sic | what do you need ? |
| 19:12:21 | yipe | does that use the same firmware as the 30G? |
| 19:12:33 | My_Sic | apple firmware ? |
| 19:12:37 | yipe | yeah |
| 19:12:39 | My_Sic | or rockbox firmware ? |
| 19:12:43 | yipe | apple |
| 19:12:44 | My_Sic | i think |
| 19:12:51 | My_Sic | i wille make some search |
| 19:13:01 | yipe | thank you ت |
| 19:13:10 | My_Sic | what's wrong |
| 19:13:11 | My_Sic | ? |
| 19:13:14 | My_Sic | with your ipod ? |
| 19:13:24 | yipe | I messed it up :P |
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| 19:13:42 | yipe | and overwrote my copy of the original firmware |
| 19:14:54 | My_Sic | i don't understand "i messed it up" |
| 19:15:39 | yipe | I've already talked about it with Paul_the_Nerd, all I need is a copy of the firmwareeee |
| 19:15:45 | yipe | firmware* |
| 19:16:08 | My_Sic | i don't find if it's the same firmware or not |
| 19:16:43 | yipe | that's okay, I'm just gonna go find a winbox and use apple's tools to fix it |
| 19:16:43 | Slasheri | My_Sic: i am working on it, but i can't test the file directly because it has different endianess |
| 19:16:57 | Slasheri | My_Sic: and i am too busy with work also.. |
| 19:17:50 | My_Sic | yipe: ok |
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| 19:18:57 | My_Sic | Slasheri: it's not urly. i have send you just to help you to make tagcache with no fail |
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| 19:21:17 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:22:12 | Slasheri | My_Sic: i will try to commit it on PC as soon as i get pc version of tagcache working |
| 19:33:20 | godzirra | so anyone have any idea how hard it will be to port rockbox to the zune? :) |
| 19:33:30 | godzirra | and don't tell me to write it... I dont know C, else I would :) |
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| 19:39:38 | markun | godzirra: no idea how hard it will be |
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| 19:40:38 | markun | godzirra: If it uses the same CPU as the Gigabeat S then there is a lot of info and a linux port for it |
| 19:41:21 | markun | but it also depends on the other componets and how easy it will be to run your own code |
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| 19:44:51 | * | godzirra nods. |
| 19:44:57 | godzirra | There's a linux port for the S series? |
| 19:45:10 | markun | For the CPU in the S series |
| 19:45:37 | markun | the Freescale i.MX31 |
| 19:45:46 | godzirra | Huh. |
| 19:46:59 | godzirra | I love that microsoft is doing what they bitched at apple for doing. |
| 19:47:53 | markun | Which is? |
| 19:49:53 | markun | Selling DAPs? |
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| 19:51:49 | godzirra | No, supporting a proprietary format that excludes the DAP from being used with other online music stores. |
| 19:52:05 | markun | :) |
| 19:52:18 | rasher | Can't you license their DRM though? |
| 19:52:37 | markun | So strange that they don't support Play For Sure.. |
| 19:52:54 | rasher | Is it certain that they don't? Last I heard the wording was a bit strange |
| 19:53:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | They don't |
| 19:53:39 | amiconn | markun: The gigabeat CPU has 4K iram only? |
| 19:53:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Microsoft has even declared this |
| 19:54:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | In a statement they said very clearly that Zune is separate and unrelated to the Plays For Sure initiative and does not support it |
| 19:54:48 | rasher | Is this the story that was linked on slashdot a couple of days ago? Because that seemed very strange and cloudy to me |
| 19:54:49 | markun | amiconn: yes, but 2x 16K of cache |
| 19:55:18 | amiconn | Instruction/data/combined? |
| 19:56:21 | markun | amiconn: 16K instruction, 16K data |
| 19:56:33 | amiconn | ah |
| 19:57:03 | amiconn | I wonder what the iram will be good for, as the cache is larger than that |
| 19:57:17 | amiconn | The SH1 also has 4K iram, but no cache at all |
| 19:57:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: Actually, I can't remember where I found it, but it was an interview with a Microsoft representative. I'm doubtful it was Slashdot though that I found it through. |
| 19:58:01 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: I think the issue (with that story at least) was it was not sure whether they meant Zune-the-player or Zune-the-musicstore |
| 19:58:14 | rasher | s/sure/clear/ |
| 19:58:15 | markun | amiconn: the manual suggests to use the iram during booting |
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| 20:00:32 | markun | amiconn: "STEPPINGSTONE (4K-BYTE SRAM)" "The NAND Flash controller uses Steppingstone as the buffer on booting and also you can use this area for another purpose." |
| 20:00:41 | rasher | Paul_the_Nerd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6120272.stm This? |
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| 20:02:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: That's *may* be it. That though is very clear that it means Zune content won't work on PFS devices and what I read seemed to read the other way (PFS content won't work on Zune devices) but it was also at a period of needing sleep, so my memory isn't trustworthy. :) |
| 20:03:12 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wonders how forum members can think calling me "childish" is a good idea. |
| 20:03:28 | rasher | Link? I want to see! |
| 20:03:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | It was a PM |
| 20:03:44 | rasher | However, I don't see how even Microsoft would be that stupid |
| 20:03:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Regarding the discussion of how Rockbox supposedly causes CRC errors. |
| 20:04:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: The Zune is pretty much an accessory for the XBox 360. Microsoft just hasn't really been clear on that. |
| 20:04:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | They're rolling out the ability to purchase/rent Movies and TV shows via their XBox Live service, and they're already saying things like "Well, if people really want to watch them on their Zune, we are consumer driven" |
| 20:04:49 | rasher | But still, I really don't see a reason why they'd let it NOT play PFS songs |
| 20:04:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Lock people into their services. |
| 20:05:32 | rasher | But it'd just make the Zune less appealing |
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| 20:06:06 | rasher | Unless they make a "we'll re-buy your songs in Zune format" deal |
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| 20:06:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | rasher: I've always felt one should never underestimate the arrogance of Microsoft (or sony for that matter) |
| 20:06:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd bet the majority of PFS customers are using rental plans, like the Napster all-you-can-listen for whatever/month plan |
| 20:07:20 | markun | rasher: I'm looking for the blog of one of the zune devs, but can't find it. He explained that it's because of DRM problems with the wifi sharing. |
| 20:07:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | They could just make the PFS songs unshareable. |
| 20:08:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think WiFi syncing, and Web Radio support at hotspots are both more in-demand features than "Share a song someone can listen to 3 times" anyway. |
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| 20:08:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I wonder how often that'll actually get used. |
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| 20:10:03 | amiconn | reboot, brb |
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| 20:13:22 | rasher | http://www.zuneinsider.com/2006/07/on_zune_partner.html#comment-20369704 |
| 20:14:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, Microsoft says "PlaysForSure is great, but not for *our* device" |
| 20:15:20 | rasher | http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/the-engadget-interview-j-allard-microsoft-corporate-vice-presi/ |
| 20:15:34 | rasher | That's just.. bizarre |
| 20:16:08 | rasher | Oh well, it was not like I was going to buy a zune anyway |
| 20:16:12 | rasher | nor any p4s tracks |
| 20:16:40 | rasher | "Zune says there is no choice; you get a Zune device, you hook it up to the Zune service, and it just works." |
| 20:16:44 | rasher | Blimey |
| 20:16:48 | * | linuxstb_ prefers RocksForSure |
| 20:18:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 20:18:43 | merbanan | rasher: instead of PFS that don't work :) |
| 20:18:46 | rasher | That interview comes across as "We tried playsforsure, but it seems people want to be locked in to itunes. Let's give them something exactly like it" |
| 20:20:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, one player and one service is less confusing for the technologically illiterate, who are often the target audience. Once you throw out the word "compatibility" at all, even if it's just a simple logo, people start getting a little nervous. |
| 20:21:24 | rasher | I know. It's depressing. |
| 20:21:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | PlaysForSure was probably just a way to make some money back on the development costs of their final-version Zune DRM. |
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| 20:24:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | I will say, if they integrate it with XBox Live, they'll probably get a lot of sales. |
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| 20:47:59 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, the mono bitmap buffer for text drawing optimisation doesn't need to be full screen |
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| 20:48:23 | amiconn | The optimisation works because text is usually a buch of tiny bitmaps which will be combined. |
| 20:49:24 | amiconn | I thought it should be full screen because fonts can be really large - but for large fonts, the optimisation wouldn't improve things much |
| 20:49:49 | amiconn | So it should be the width of the screen, and maybe 24 pixels high |
| 20:50:38 | amiconn | Larger fonts would be drawn glyph by glpyh as they are now |
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| 20:51:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: was pondering the size thing but how high can a font be? |
| 20:51:43 | jhMikeS | I guess there's no limit? |
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| 20:52:43 | SoulDeaD | sorry |
| 20:52:44 | jhMikeS | I suppose I'd find the critical point where the advantage vanishes |
| 20:55:07 | amiconn | Yes, that's just a matter of experiment |
| 20:55:20 | amiconn | There is no set limit for the size of a font |
| 20:55:25 | * | jhMikeS has been trying to get the h100 display driver split but the phone keeps interrupting the more important work :) |
| 20:56:13 | amiconn | It will probably start to cause problems when the individual glyphs need so much ram that only a few of them fit into the font buffer |
| 20:56:13 | rigel | hey, anyone know where i go on the FCC website to get photos of device innards? |
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| 20:57:45 | jhMikeS | I thought the Renesas datasheet was horrible grammar but Epson took the cake |
| 20:58:06 | amiconn | hehe |
| 20:59:03 | amiconn | Tomato isn't any better imho |
| 20:59:40 | rasher | rigel: http://www.fcc.gov/e-file ? |
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| 21:02:07 | WalterEgo | Isn't there any sort of way to search for API functions that do something than to guesstimate function names and do full text search on the whole source directory? (sorry, english isn't my native language anymore than C is, so maybe I just don't find the right keywords to search for such a list..?) |
| 21:02:44 | jhMikeS | Tomato and Epson datasheet look awfully similar in style |
| 21:02:56 | rasher | WalterEgo: the only thing that's documented is the GraphicsAPI (wikipage of same name) |
| 21:03:11 | rasher | WalterEgo: The rest is either in plugin.h if you're writing a plugin, or the source in general |
| 21:03:15 | rasher | WalterEgo: Or ask here |
| 21:03:50 | rasher | oh and there's docs/PLUGIN_API, but it's quite outdated |
| 21:03:57 | jhMikeS | should the H100 and H120 use the same contrast range or are the LCDs different? |
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| 21:04:08 | jhMikeS | I know it's the same chip but what about the panel? |
| 21:04:31 | rasher | I haven't heard of any differences |
| 21:04:38 | rasher | But I'm not certain |
| 21:05:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: As far as I know, it should be the same. My understanding is that the only difference is the RAM. |
| 21:05:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, and HD size. |
| 21:05:32 | jhMikeS | Anything <= 14 is just a white screen on the 120 |
| 21:05:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Does it default to that low on the 100 or something? |
| 21:06:04 | jhMikeS | It defaults to 28 |
| 21:06:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
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| 21:06:33 | jhMikeS | The range was 5 to 63 but 14 to 63 produced the full white to black transition |
| 21:06:41 | rasher | Blimey, my h120 froze |
| 21:06:54 | rasher | probably voice-related |
| 21:07:13 | jhMikeS | hrm |
| 21:07:26 | rasher | Can't say much more. Simply turned it on and went into the menu |
| 21:07:33 | rasher | Possibly before the voice file was completely loaded |
| 21:08:39 | rasher | now it did it again! |
| 21:08:49 | jhMikeS | hmm...haven't had that happen |
| 21:08:52 | jhMikeS | what settings? |
| 21:09:09 | rasher | Pretty much default I think |
| 21:09:13 | rasher | Danish language |
| 21:09:27 | WalterEgo | Thanks rasher, that's kind of what I thought, but that will do. :) |
| 21:09:29 | rasher | Let's see if I have voice on |
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| 21:10:10 | rasher | Now it won't happen, typical. |
| 21:10:44 | rasher | jhMikeS: I'd say anything above 50 is useless as well on h120 |
| 21:10:55 | rasher | or 45, even |
| 21:10:57 | jhMikeS | Should put out a bulletin on how to properly use the audio buffer :P I guess I'm gonna have to put in the trap real soon to find any misuse. |
| 21:11:53 | jhMikeS | I was aiming to have the full white to black range available. could hold the upper end back a bit |
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| 21:12:14 | amiconn | I'd rather keep the full possible value range |
| 21:13:05 | jhMikeS | even less than white for the setting? what good is it? |
| 21:13:33 | amiconn | You never know what differences between individual units are there |
| 21:13:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Can't the temperature have an effect too? |
| 21:13:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or is my brain crazy again? |
| 21:14:05 | amiconn | So the fact that it's completely whit (black, whatever) on your unit doesn't necessarily mean that it's the same on another unit |
| 21:14:14 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: You're right |
| 21:14:14 | jhMikeS | The value 5 was _way_ below white |
| 21:14:37 | amiconn | The ipod mini lcd is _very_ temperature dependent |
| 21:14:43 | jhMikeS | Yes, I've observed that too when the unit was very cold |
| 21:14:55 | jhMikeS | The pixels got quite sluggish |
| 21:14:57 | amiconn | cold == bright, warm == dark |
| 21:14:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: The real question is, what harm is there in assuming that there *might* be a case where it's useful? |
| 21:15:09 | amiconn | Might be the other way 'round for other lcds |
| 21:15:14 | jhMikeS | none really |
| 21:15:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Try the H1x0 main lcd near 0 C ... |
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| 21:16:17 | amiconn | Pixel switching time becomes longer than one second |
| 21:16:50 | jhMikeS | hrm...contast won't correct that |
| 21:16:58 | amiconn | That one is the slowest lcd of all targets |
| 21:17:07 | amiconn | Of course not |
| 21:18:41 | jhMikeS | isn't the real range 0-127? |
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| 21:23:52 | amiconn | Indeed it is |
| 21:24:35 | amiconn | Well, maybe we should limit the contrast settings to the usable range, but that requires a poll (per target) |
| 21:24:58 | amiconn | It also requires checking the range at low and high environmental temperature |
| 21:25:19 | SoulDeaD | wow wow wow |
| 21:25:38 | SoulDeaD | is there a termometer in this device? |
| 21:25:42 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 21:25:58 | jhMikeS | The default contrast is exactly what it should be (28). It's the most neutral value on mine. |
| 21:26:56 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: Yes, time the switching and you'll know the temp. Don't know the conversion formula atm. |
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| 21:27:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: Mine operates primarily in an environment about 72 F / 22 C, and the default is I think perfect on H120 |
| 21:27:48 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: perfect here too |
| 21:28:20 | Slasheri | hmm, now the PC version of tagcache builder seems to work.. :) |
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| 21:29:14 | SoulDeaD | jhMikeS how would you measure the time of switching? |
| 21:29:16 | jhMikeS | though I do think it needs gamma adjustment. will have to make bars on it |
| 21:29:29 | SoulDeaD | switching the states of pixels you mean, right? |
| 21:29:51 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: A plugin that switches the screen white to black and back. Set the speed so it goes fully from one to the other. |
| 21:30:22 | SoulDeaD | ok, but how do you get the time when the switch is done? |
| 21:30:40 | jhMikeS | If you get that and measure and different temps plot it and then curve fit it |
| 21:31:05 | jhMikeS | SouldDead: The plugin should give you the rate being used |
| 21:31:16 | Slasheri | hehe, and got a segmentation fault.. another new bug in metadata parser :) |
| 21:31:58 | SoulDeaD | i have hear that there are programs measuring the response time of LCD monitor?s, and i know that?s impossible |
| 21:31:59 | jhMikeS | I think the test_scanrate plugin could be used |
| 21:32:11 | SoulDeaD | i think it?s impossible for any kind of LCD display |
| 21:33:43 | SoulDeaD | try it and compare if there is a difference at different temperatures |
| 21:34:07 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, the internal scan rate is also temperature dependent |
| 21:34:22 | amiconn | ...because the clock source is a simple RC oscillator |
| 21:34:27 | amiconn | No xtal |
| 21:34:50 | SoulDeaD | hmmm |
| 21:35:00 | amiconn | On archos the temperature dependency of the scan rate is quite big |
| 21:35:25 | SoulDeaD | if you rely on that it would be a challenge to find any good formula |
| 21:35:42 | amiconn | Around 10Hz difference between 0C and 30C |
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| 21:36:19 | amiconn | SoulDeaD: Just use a table together with linear interpolation |
| 21:37:39 | SoulDeaD | i think it?s a big effort to do that only to correct the contrast |
| 21:37:55 | SoulDeaD | is there another reason? |
| 21:39:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes, I know the RC oscillator isn't extremely precise like that |
| 21:39:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, any idea why this will crash (according to gdb backtrace): if (strlen(*tag) >= MAX_PATH-32) { *tag[MAX_PATH-32] = '\0'; ... } |
| 21:39:58 | jhMikeS | But would the oscillator really have any relevence to the speed that the panel actual goes to both extremes? |
| 21:40:05 | SoulDeaD | how can you be sure it?s the same dependence of temperature on every device? |
| 21:40:12 | Slasheri | (tagcache.c:1428) |
| 21:40:15 | SoulDeaD | it the RC oscilator is not so precise? |
| 21:40:42 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: Wouldn't assume that. You'd need calibration runs perhaps knowing the temperature rather precisely |
| 21:40:43 | amiconn | The table would be specific to the individual unit |
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| 21:41:24 | SoulDeaD | it makes nonsense for me |
| 21:41:28 | amiconn | ...and it would even be necessary to recalibrate it from time to time, in order to compensate component aging |
| 21:41:44 | jhMikeS | I'll bet the material itself responds rather predictably |
| 21:41:51 | TerrorByte | Hi guys! |
| 21:41:56 | TerrorByte | Quick question.... |
| 21:41:59 | SoulDeaD | most of the rockbox users are advanced, but there are people who do not know what interpolation or even calibration is |
| 21:42:11 | amiconn | Slasheri: Out-of-bounds pointer, I'd think |
| 21:42:48 | TerrorByte | BRB. |
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| 21:43:08 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
| 21:43:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, in fact that might be possible! |
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| 21:43:21 | TerrorByte | Hey guys! |
| 21:43:24 | TerrorByte | Quick question... |
| 21:43:27 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: Guess the thermometer plugin would walk you through it. The curve shape is probably similar. |
| 21:43:35 | Slasheri | because the remaining of path is not MAX_PATH in size.. |
| 21:43:54 | Slasheri | so that causes the wierd problems on units with long filenames |
| 21:44:10 | SoulDeaD | TerrorByte ask you question |
| 21:44:29 | TerrorByte | Okay, when I'm listening to some music, and I start playing a game... Say that breakout clone, why does it lag? |
| 21:44:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because it uses more CPU power... |
| 21:44:41 | TerrorByte | The game lags and the music pauses for a second or two, then continues. |
| 21:44:42 | TerrorByte | On the H10 |
| 21:44:47 | TerrorByte | How can I reduce that in any way? |
| 21:44:55 | SoulDeaD | ok, jhMikeS, you?d say to user, ok, warm your device to 30 degrees now |
| 21:44:57 | jhMikeS | what's *tag got do to do with a path? It appears to be the length of the metadata fields. Of course any path data stored should allow MAX_PATH and be graceful on anything longer. |
| 21:45:03 | TerrorByte | Paul? |
| 21:45:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | No EQ, no Replaygain, no Crossfeed, less complex audio formats... |
| 21:45:14 | TerrorByte | Less complex... |
| 21:45:16 | TerrorByte | Meaning what? |
| 21:45:23 | TerrorByte | Or rather, what types? |
| 21:45:41 | SoulDeaD | TerrorByte sorry, ipod user here |
| 21:45:52 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 21:45:59 | SoulDeaD | what game do you play |
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| 21:46:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | SoulDeaD: The H10 is basically an iPod Mini |
| 21:46:07 | SoulDeaD | maybe it?s too cpu consuming? |
| 21:46:13 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: No, measure the current temperature. And set the rate to just where the full white to black range is reached |
| 21:46:19 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: It's more like an ipod color |
| 21:46:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: I don't think there's solid numbers on which format is least CPU intensive on ARM yet. |
| 21:46:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: I thought it was the same as the 1G Mini... |
| 21:46:32 | TerrorByte | Any idea at all what format is best? |
| 21:46:39 | amiconn | 1G mini is greyscale |
| 21:46:52 | amiconn | All minis are greyscale |
| 21:47:02 | barrywardell | other than the lcd it's more like a mini |
| 21:47:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is true. |
| 21:47:07 | jhMikeS | SoulDead: The input that temp into the plugin. |
| 21:47:10 | Duffman90 | How is the progress with the new Sansa E200 port? |
| 21:47:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd just heard from someone that most of the internals were more related to the Mini |
| 21:47:15 | SoulDeaD | TerrorByte i dont? think there is a big difference between supported formats |
| 21:47:16 | amiconn | H10 is colour (although with less resolution than ipod color) |
| 21:47:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | SoulDeaD: Actually, there's a decent difference, but it varies based on platform. |
| 21:47:31 | SoulDeaD | jhMikeS i understand what you mean |
| 21:47:32 | Bagder | Duffman90: works is being made on the NAND fs driver |
| 21:47:35 | Duffman90 | I just tried using the simulator and really look forward to using it on the real sansa |
| 21:47:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though FLAC is pretty CPU cheap, if you don't mind the battery life cost |
| 21:47:47 | Duffman90 | nice |
| 21:47:56 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 21:48:07 | TerrorByte | Hmm... |
| 21:48:12 | barrywardell | amiconn, Paul_the_Nerd: most of the other internals are more like the mini than the color. it's the lcd that is the biggest difference |
| 21:48:12 | TerrorByte | Okay, what is replaygain? |
| 21:48:16 | Duffman90 | and thats the last thing to fix to make it run? |
| 21:48:28 | Duffman90 | i mean without looking at all the tools?? |
| 21:48:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: See the manual... |
| 21:48:35 | TerrorByte | Ugh. |
| 21:48:36 | dan_a | Duffman90: No, there's quite a bit more than that to do |
| 21:48:38 | TerrorByte | Fine, fine....... |
| 21:48:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is reading that terrible? |
| 21:48:53 | TerrorByte | I think you'd be well suited for customer service Paul. |
| 21:49:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, I don't see why any of us should have to type a description multiple times that we've already made available to you, freely. |
| 21:49:22 | TerrorByte | Aren't I reading anyways if you tell me right now? |
| 21:49:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you paying me? |
| 21:49:39 | TerrorByte | Are you losing money? |
| 21:49:39 | Duffman90 | i really would like to help, but i don't think some 11. grade school knowledge doesn't help much |
| 21:49:51 | scorche | TerrorByte: time is money |
| 21:49:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | I am burning calories doing something that I do not enjoy |
| 21:49:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | Those calories come from food I eat. |
| 21:50:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | That food costs money. |
| 21:50:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | So yes, responding to you at all costs me money. |
| 21:50:08 | Duffman90 | but if you have some simple work i'd like to do it |
| 21:50:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I've changed the iram distribution for x5 for my build (64K for core and 64K for codecs/plugins). |
| 21:50:10 | barrywardell | dan_a: i've hit a bit of a stumbling block |
| 21:50:11 | TerrorByte | scorche: Oh thanks a lot. Now I've really lost this debate. |
| 21:50:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Therefor I choose how *my* money is spent by responding how I like. |
| 21:50:22 | dan_a | barrywardell: What's that? |
| 21:50:41 | barrywardell | dan_a: numblocks can never be big enough |
| 21:50:44 | SoulDeaD | ok TerrorByte, i really don?t think it?s very hard to find the playback menu in the manual and then find replaygain option |
| 21:50:53 | TerrorByte | See, in all that time, you could've just told me what replaygain is... xD |
| 21:50:57 | barrywardell | dan_a: it can be only up to 4GB |
| 21:51:01 | TerrorByte | Yeah yeah I know, I'm looking it uo. |
| 21:51:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: to what end? |
| 21:51:04 | amiconn | I think this is better for several reasons. (1) Many codecs already use more iram than the core. (2) giving iram to codecs is more important imho (3) This way all core iram is dma capable, and all codec iram is not |
| 21:51:04 | TerrorByte | up* |
| 21:51:04 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 21:51:05 | SoulDeaD | i would do it for you, but right now i cannot |
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| 21:52:11 | barrywardell | dan_a: i've noticed bits 74:75 are reserved and supposed to be 0, but aren't on my sansa |
| 21:52:18 | amiconn | In conjuction with the patch done by tomal, it would allow to give some extra iram to codecs on x5 |
| 21:52:28 | TerrorByte | Okay, I understand it now. |
| 21:52:39 | TerrorByte | ... |
| 21:52:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What do you think? |
| 21:53:18 | TerrorByte | Well I'm off. |
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| 21:53:21 | dan_a | barrywardell: If we count those bits as part of the block count, does the size work out at 8Gb? |
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| 21:53:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmmm...I like it. could use it for wavpack_enc. |
| 21:53:35 | TerrorByte | Ah, I get it now. |
| 21:53:38 | barrywardell | dan_a: no, i don't think so |
| 21:53:42 | amiconn | Btw, this doesn't even break older codecs & plugins, i.e. you could run old plugins with the new core |
| 21:53:53 | barrywardell | i think it works out at about 15GB |
| 21:54:01 | amiconn | ...because the old codec iram and new core iram don't overlap |
| 21:54:10 | TerrorByte | Well, I'm off. |
| 21:54:13 | TerrorByte | Later. |
| 21:54:16 | SoulDeaD | The purpose of replaygain is to adjust the volume of the music played so that all songs (or albums, depending on your settings) have the same apparent volume |
| 21:54:18 | SoulDeaD | ok? |
| 21:54:26 | jhMikeS | What if they demand more memory than the port has? Some thing will need conditionals for IRAM. |
| 21:54:37 | amiconn | [21:52:21] <amiconn> In conjuction with the patch done by tomal, it would allow to give some extra iram to codecs on x5 |
| 21:55:06 | jhMikeS | yes, got that. |
| 21:55:06 | TerrorByte | Yeah yeah, thanks for the CTRL C/V. |
| 21:55:10 | TerrorByte | Later. |
| 21:55:10 | TerrorByte | :) |
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| 21:55:33 | jhMikeS | who's tomal? ?? what's the patch? |
| 21:55:36 | amiconn | See the ml |
| 21:55:42 | amiconn | Tomasz Malesinski |
| 21:55:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tomal is the person who's done all the work on the iFP port. |
| 21:55:58 | dan_a | barrywardell: I'm just trying to make sure I've got the CSD parsing right. |
| 21:56:08 | barrywardell | dan_a: i think i have it right now |
| 21:56:17 | barrywardell | i can send you what I have to look over? |
| 21:56:25 | dan_a | yes please |
| 21:56:29 | Slasheri | My_Sic: the problem has been identified and fix is on its way :) i will commit it tomorrow if i get enough time |
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| 21:56:56 | amiconn | dan_a: Are there any docs? If the csd is similar to mmc, you can compare with ata_mmc.c |
| 21:57:09 | My_Sic | what's wrong ? |
| 21:57:33 | jhMikeS | I'm not looking forward to anything like #ifdef IAUDIO_X5 in there. Suppose CODEC_IRAM_SIZE should be in the configs. |
| 21:57:37 | Slasheri | My_Sic: check_if_empty() corrupts memory |
| 21:57:45 | My_Sic | char * too short to save all the path of the mp3 ? |
| 21:57:49 | My_Sic | ok |
| 21:57:51 | dan_a | amiconn: There are docs, but we have to read too many bits - so need to know what to discard. |
| 21:58:09 | Slasheri | but i need to fix dircache also, because it might also suffer from too tiny buffers |
| 21:58:21 | Slasheri | My_Sic: yep |
| 21:58:23 | dan_a | Also, the 6Gb and 8Gb versions are non-standard. |
| 21:58:37 | Slasheri | My_Sic: and over length path is not detected correctly |
| 21:58:39 | amiconn | Yes, the bank switching stuff |
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| 21:59:47 | barrywardell | dan_a: sent! |
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| 22:00:24 | My_Sic | Slasheri: a question |
| 22:00:33 | jhMikeS | Right now CODEC_IRAM_SIZE is 0xc000 |
| 22:00:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:01:01 | barrywardell | amiconn: there is also the issue of detecting the size of the flash which should be in the csd, but the specs only support up to 4GB |
| 22:01:11 | My_Sic | Slasheri: are "Gather runtime data" also work if playing file with an mp3 aren't play from the tagcache list ? |
| 22:01:42 | Slasheri | My_Sic: yes |
| 22:01:45 | My_Sic | ok |
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| 22:01:52 | Slasheri | but now need to go, cu tomorrow -> |
| 22:02:00 | My_Sic | bye |
| 22:02:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what would it be on x5 with your layout? |
| 22:02:10 | amiconn | 0x10000 |
| 22:02:16 | amiconn | 64KB |
| 22:02:55 | amiconn | The split (using ifdefs) already exists in app.lds and plugin.lds, I only changed the actual values |
| 22:03:29 | jhMikeS | how will playback with a plugin that requires IRAM work if they must share? |
| 22:03:51 | amiconn | Plugins requiring iram need to stop music |
| 22:04:00 | amiconn | ...on all targets |
| 22:04:16 | jhMikeS | ah, then sounds good to me |
| 22:04:18 | amiconn | It's been like that since the introduction of swcodec |
| 22:04:38 | amiconn | (archos uses iram in the core only) |
| 22:05:21 | jhMikeS | So we're actually using 0x20000 - 0xc000 for the code now? |
| 22:05:24 | amiconn | It's basically a 3-line change (1 line in app.lds and 2 lines in plugin.lds) |
| 22:05:29 | jhMikeS | core |
| 22:05:37 | amiconn | Yes, 0x14000 |
| 22:05:58 | jhMikeS | how much actually gets used atm? |
| 22:06:49 | amiconn | core: 0xaea4 |
| 22:07:03 | jhMikeS | lot of slop room there |
| 22:08:33 | amiconn | mpc.codec uses more: 0xb7a0 - very close to the current limit |
| 22:09:29 | jhMikeS | wavpack_enc.codec used a lot. most of it for the buffer to convert 16->32 bit sign extended |
| 22:09:32 | amiconn | Even more in aac.codec |
| 22:09:58 | amiconn | Hehe, perhaps aac would become realtime with some extra iram on X5... |
| 22:10:43 | rasher | How is the ffmpeg aac library coming along? |
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| 22:11:23 | * | amiconn thinks he should commit that little change |
| 22:13:31 | jhMikeS | Is CODEC_IRAM_SIZE going to be global #define now? |
| 22:13:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Someone posts saying "Lick my balls", I delete it, and they post again saying "Llorean, why are you doing this?"... |
| 22:13:51 | * | Paul_the_Nerd sighs. |
| 22:14:21 | rasher | A witch! |
| 22:14:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Clearly. |
| 22:15:10 | Bagder | burn her!!! |
| 22:15:19 | Febs | Paul_the_Nerd: This guy cracks me up. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7294.0 |
| 22:15:30 | jhMikeS | hmmm....back to Salem |
| 22:15:37 | Febs | My last post may be a bit over the top. |
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| 22:17:01 | scorche | Febs: well, it was true |
| 22:17:20 | Febs | :) |
| 22:17:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | Febs: He sent me a quite rude PM after my very first post to him, telling me I sound like a child, so I have no sympathy. |
| 22:17:39 | amiconn | Bagder: When I remove the gmini code - should I change the menu selection numbers for the Ondios to keep them continuous? What implication would that have for the build system? |
| 22:17:46 | scorche | as far as one post and no replies go, i think the doom 3 one is my favorite |
| 22:18:01 | Bagder | amiconn: the visual numbers have no impact on the build system (any more) |
| 22:18:18 | amiconn | How does the build system select builds? |
| 22:18:23 | jhMikeS | ==> well, it's very possible that we aren't all using the same hardware hence, rockbox might perform differently depending on variations of component lots? |
| 22:18:31 | jhMikeS | This guys in IT? |
| 22:18:32 | Bagder | amiconn: using the long name you can see as alternatives in the configure script |
| 22:18:38 | amiconn | ah |
| 22:18:42 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 22:19:01 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:19:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: IT includes telephone tech support. |
| 22:19:27 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: good point |
| 22:19:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Whenever someone claims they're in it, my VERY first thought is the people I've met around here who have worked at the Apple call center. |
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| 22:20:58 | jhMikeS | Actually I'm not thinking if he'd offer me fries with my sandwich |
| 22:21:04 | jhMikeS | I'm NOW thinking |
| 22:24:50 | jhMikeS | oooh, now it's so silent :P it's just that that guy's so "dee, dee, dee" |
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| 22:25:41 | Lear | Annoying: I have a playlist for which I can't create new bookmarks. |
| 22:26:07 | Lear | Really bad thing is that it says "Bookmark created", but that is not the case. |
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| 22:28:05 | barrywardell | dan_a: what do you think of my version of sd_read_response? |
| 22:28:58 | barrywardell | dan_a: also, does your c_size work out to be exactly 2GB? |
| 22:29:33 | dan_a | I'm just working through it (while being distracted by Family Guy)... I get a capacity of 1.2GB |
| 22:29:46 | preglow | amiconn: am now |
| 22:30:04 | blue_lizard | hello all |
| 22:30:17 | amiconn | preglow: Do you know which codec parts (e.g. of aac) would profit most from extra iram? |
| 22:30:29 | blue_lizard | i wrote a patch and i would like to know what you guys think about |
| 22:30:32 | preglow | amiconn: almost certainly vorbis |
| 22:30:36 | blue_lizard | anybody willing to try it? |
| 22:30:39 | preglow | amiconn: but i wouldn't know which parts |
| 22:30:50 | amiconn | hmm |
| 22:30:52 | preglow | amiconn: as for aac, i know almost nothing about it |
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| 22:31:01 | preglow | i don't think it's very memory intensive, though |
| 22:31:07 | barrywardell | dan_a: is that with my code or yours? |
| 22:31:27 | amiconn | preglow: aac uses practically all available iram on irivers |
| 22:31:28 | rasher | Doesn't it (aac) have these giant structures.. that are already in iram? |
| 22:31:30 | dan_a | That's with your code. Mine told me I had 15GB. |
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| 22:32:23 | Lear | rasher: used to have. I removed that, since it didn't make much difference. |
| 22:32:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: you never worked any more on the plugin? |
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| 22:33:29 | Lear | Ah, sorry about the bookmark confusion. I had the wrong setting apparantly. |
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| 22:34:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: no time |
| 22:34:18 | Lear | But the string (and the manual) isn't very clear... The option "Yes - Recent only" means, "Yes, but only save bookmarks in the 'Most recent bookmarks' file"... |
| 22:34:33 | diluted^ | i installed rockbox last night on my ipod and let it charge all night |
| 22:34:50 | diluted^ | now, when i try to start it, it shows the apple icon for a minute then it dims out |
| 22:35:03 | preglow | amiconn: i also think someone mentioned tremor already uses as much iram as it can, but i don't think that counted parts which are currently malloced... |
| 22:35:13 | diluted^ | and when its plugged up to usb it only shows the charging icon |
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| 22:35:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: man, I'm waiting to hear some really cool RT effects! |
| 22:35:36 | diluted^ | whats the deal? |
| 22:35:45 | preglow | me too, will tell you when i've gotten around to it |
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| 22:35:52 | Lear | preglow: Tremor replaces some mallocs with static iram allocs. |
| 22:36:00 | preglow | Lear: i bet a couple of more are possible |
| 22:36:02 | Lear | And it uses most of the iram. |
| 22:36:06 | * | jhMikeS impatiently looks forward |
| 22:36:16 | Lear | Maybe, but the most important ones are, afaik. |
| 22:36:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: you could stuff the recording stuff in the plugin api in the meantime :-) |
| 22:36:23 | amiconn | Lear: Yes, on iriver, but it uses less than aac and mpc |
| 22:36:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'll probably have some time in the weekend |
| 22:36:51 | Lear | Can't be much less, or? |
| 22:37:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: sure, can do that np |
| 22:38:00 | amiconn | Lear: vorbis: 0xb400, mpc: 0xb7a0, aac: 0xbee8 |
| 22:38:27 | blue_lizard | would anybody mind doing me a favour? |
| 22:38:30 | amiconn | (max. possible is 0xc000 on irivers, and now 0x10000 on X5) |
| 22:38:41 | blue_lizard | go to https://sourceforge.net/ on the Log In button |
| 22:38:58 | blue_lizard | it sends me to https://localhost/account/login.php |
| 22:38:59 | Lear | Didn't remember there was that much space left for Tremor. :) |
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| 22:39:06 | blue_lizard | which is wrong of course |
| 22:39:37 | preglow | blue_lizard: works nice here |
| 22:39:37 | amiconn | blue_lizard: Working fine here. |
| 22:39:51 | diluted^ | hm |
| 22:39:53 | blue_lizard | ?? damned what going wrong here |
| 22:40:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: I didn't do it because 1) no plugins used it 2) wasn't sure if it was adequate without actually having a good plugin to test it |
| 22:40:27 | diluted^ | the problem is that my ipod isnt charging now |
| 22:40:51 | diluted^ | has there been battery failures due to installation of rockbox |
| 22:41:42 | SoulDeaD | as far as i know the battery charging is controlled by hardware |
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| 22:42:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes. |
| 22:42:24 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 22:42:26 | jhMikeS | Post hoc ergo propter hoc |
| 22:42:43 | amiconn | The only thing the firmware can do is to set the charging current (slow vs. fast) |
| 22:43:03 | diluted^ | well it charged for a good 12 hours |
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| 22:43:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: we'll find out about the last, at least |
| 22:43:24 | SoulDeaD | diluted^ did you used the ipod while charging |
| 22:43:30 | diluted^ | no, i slept |
| 22:43:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: you can just throw my a patch anyway, if you don't want to commit it |
| 22:43:46 | preglow | me/my/rofl |
| 22:43:47 | diluted^ | i have it charging now, or so it says |
| 22:43:57 | SoulDeaD | it?s slower because orckbox is unable to request max usb power supply of 500 mA |
| 22:44:15 | SoulDeaD | it charges only on 100 mA |
| 22:44:19 | diluted^ | well but 12 hours should still leave me with a full battery |
| 22:44:29 | SoulDeaD | if you want to charge fast reboot into original firmware |
| 22:44:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: having dealt as extensively with recording as you have, i suspect you have some understanding of what functions are needed ;) |
| 22:45:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | diluted^: What evidence do you have that 12 hours charging in Rockbox should? On some iPods Rockbox uses more power than the iPod is receiving from USB, if you're charging inside of Rockbox. |
| 22:45:53 | SoulDeaD | diluted^ what?s you ipod |
| 22:46:09 | diluted^ | 60gb video |
| 22:46:12 | SoulDeaD | i have ipod nano and it charges to max for about 6 hours |
| 22:46:24 | SoulDeaD | ahm, bigger battery i guess |
| 22:46:54 | SoulDeaD | apple specify for the nano 1 hour for 80% charge and 3 for 100% i think |
| 22:47:07 | SoulDeaD | with rockbox it comes near to double time |
| 22:47:26 | diluted^ | okay, the original firmware is loaded |
| 22:47:36 | SoulDeaD | yes, try it |
| 22:48:15 | SoulDeaD | the usb hardware is not known, so when you charge in rockbox, it starts the original firmware rescue mode |
| 22:48:53 | SoulDeaD | and in the rescue mode the power is 1/5 of the normal charging mode so... |
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| 22:49:47 | dan_a | barrywardell: The first word of the CSD looks right, but after that it goes all wrong. |
| 22:50:03 | diluted^ | so leaving it on all night was simply powering rockbox |
| 22:50:18 | barrywardell | dan_a: i agree. although i think the second word might be ok too |
| 22:50:25 | barrywardell | or at least some of it |
| 22:50:53 | SoulDeaD | diluted^ it depends, did rockbox rebooted in disk mode or not |
| 22:51:34 | SoulDeaD | if you prevent if from booting in disk mode by pressing menu while plugging cable, it?s really possible to power rockbox instead of the battery |
| 22:52:32 | diluted^ | hm i see |
| 22:52:33 | barrywardell | dan_a: i'm getting sensible values for 76:95 |
| 22:52:50 | diluted^ | but if i load the original firmware and then plug it in there should never be a problem like that right? |
| 22:53:08 | SoulDeaD | yes, right |
| 22:53:19 | diluted^ | k ill just remember to do it like that |
| 22:53:25 | SoulDeaD | if you have problems with original firmware it maybe is a hardware problem |
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| 22:53:32 | diluted^ | but for the battery being completely dead today, id say that I was powering rockbox instead of the battery |
| 22:53:33 | tomal | Hi. I see you are talking about IRAM. |
| 22:54:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: I wouldn't do that. I'm sure it'll kick a**. |
| 22:54:13 | tomal | I am going to commit an IRAM patch we talked about yesterday (controlling what goes to IRAM) |
| 22:54:16 | SoulDeaD | diluted^ if you have problems with original firmware go to the store and replace the ipod |
| 22:54:24 | SoulDeaD | or ask the tech support |
| 22:54:57 | diluted^ | hm, didnt i break my warranty when installing rockbox |
| 22:55:29 | preglow | tomal: sounds nice |
| 22:55:37 | diluted^ | yeah thats pretty cool tomal |
| 22:55:49 | SoulDeaD | maybe, i don?t think it?s mentioned in the warranty document |
| 22:56:02 | preglow | about time anyway |
| 22:56:08 | SoulDeaD | and you can restore it completely |
| 22:56:11 | preglow | we've already got targets with differing amounts of iram apart from ifp |
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| 22:59:39 | tomal | OK, commited. |
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| 23:00:23 | JdGordon | hey tomal, you gonna commit the patch to move ifp7xx to target tree? |
| 23:01:35 | tomal | Yes, that's what I'll do next. In a moment. |
| 23:01:39 | JdGordon | :) |
| 23:03:47 | * | SoulDeaD says goodnight |
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| 23:04:26 | * | JdGordon heads off to final exam for the year |
| 23:04:52 | jhMikeS | See you'll have time for important stuff now |
| 23:05:14 | JdGordon | yup :) |
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| 23:05:29 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 23:05:42 | JdGordon | but its just about summer here... and surfing comes before coding :p |
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| 23:11:34 | diluted^ | i guess the main thing about rockbox i'm wondering about, is how much more charge it takes from the battery |
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| 23:11:44 | diluted^ | just listening to music as normally |
| 23:12:46 | * | jhMikeS has to look at the plugin code concerning IRAM-using plugins |
| 23:13:02 | tomal | Oops, seems that I broke H10 build. I'll take a look at it. |
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| 23:17:47 | diluted^ | the dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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| 23:18:46 | * | jhMikeS looks at his collection... |
| 23:18:51 | barrywardell | tomal: the H10 should have the same IRAM usage as the iPods if that's any help |
| 23:19:36 | barrywardell | tomal: adding #define ICODE_ATTR_TREMOR_NOT_MDCT to config-h10.h should probably fix it |
| 23:19:43 | jhMikeS | Am I stupid or does the plugin load not detect of iram is present in a plugin? |
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| 23:20:49 | * | jhMikeS sees plugin that don't stop the audio before initializing IRAM |
| 23:23:08 | webguest84 | Hi. Am I in the right place for a technical qustion please? |
| 23:23:15 | diluted^ | yes |
| 23:23:39 | jhMikeS | would you like fries with that? |
| 23:24:02 | dan_a | webguest84: Ask, and if anyone can help they will |
| 23:24:03 | tomal | barrywardell: Ok, seems to work. |
| 23:24:40 | webguest84 | Hi diluted, I have a crash on my ihp120 only just loaded rockbox any advice or should I wait for battery to run dead? |
| 23:25:49 | webguest84 | I was in jpeg config |
| 23:25:54 | barrywardell | tomal: great. feel free to commit it. |
| 23:26:04 | dan_a | webguest84: I don't have an ihp, but I believe they have a small reset button which you can press with a paperclip |
| 23:26:21 | barrywardell | dan_a: did you try Bagder's suggestion? what size gets reported if you use it? |
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| 23:26:49 | petur | webguest84: there's a reset hole at the bottom |
| 23:27:14 | webguest84 | yes thats right, was leaving as a last resort if possible, but hd is spinning and don't want to do permanent damage. |
| 23:27:24 | dan_a | barrywardell: Only just seen it - I'm testing now. |
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| 23:27:29 | jhMikeS | that's why I can never remember going to the doctor. hmm :P |
| 23:28:16 | petur | webguest84: it won't hurt :) |
| 23:28:47 | diluted^ | says the guy on the other side of the world |
| 23:29:14 | petur | trust me, I've done this a lot already ;) |
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| 23:29:41 | webguest84 | can see veiwers config, loading 871 bytes, decoding markers, then unsuppoted 0 in box in centre. Light is on |
| 23:29:49 | webguest84 | thanks petur |
| 23:30:10 | webguest84 | am hoping not to have to reload all my tunes |
| 23:30:37 | petur | and this is a fresh install? |
| 23:31:11 | webguest84 | I had tunes on already. Is that not a great idea? |
| 23:31:40 | petur | I mean a fresh rockbox install |
| 23:31:45 | webguest84 | yes |
| 23:32:09 | petur | and it always crashes like that? |
| 23:32:14 | webguest84 | actually no, 1 update |
| 23:32:20 | | Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") |
| 23:32:25 | webguest84 | 1st crash |
| 23:32:29 | webguest84 | full battery! |
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| 23:33:05 | petur | and when you upgraded, you unzipped the whole thing and not just rockbox.iriver |
| 23:33:53 | webguest84 | yes unzipped directly to root hving patched iriver firmware |
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| 23:34:56 | webguest84 | then again with cvs |
| 23:35:15 | webguest84 | same process as instructed |
| 23:35:16 | petur | webguest84: I see, this was while using the jpeg viewer |
| 23:35:36 | petur | does it always crash on the same file? |
| 23:35:48 | webguest84 | trying to open it - it wasn't having it |
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| 23:36:10 | webguest84 | I was trying to just browse and it was my first crash |
| 23:36:17 | petur | is the jpeg file ok? |
| 23:36:38 | petur | it seems the jpeg viewer didn't like the file you gave it |
| 23:38:00 | webguest84 | was only trying to open viewer, had not selected any jpeg - wasn't sure which way round it worked. Can't access anything right now its frozen |
| 23:38:19 | webguest84 | did't give it a file? |
| 23:38:37 | petur | what do you mean with 'open viewer'? |
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| 23:38:59 | petur | the error you got comes from the jpeg viewer plugin |
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| 23:39:33 | webguest84 | I was just browsing and thought the jpeg viewer was an application that would select a jpeg |
| 23:40:04 | webguest84 | so went into it, it wouldn't open so I went into jpeg config |
| 23:40:18 | webguest84 | thats when it froze |
| 23:40:19 | dan_a | barrywardell: 0x75f800 blocks now, of 1024 bytes each. That would make the capacity nearly 7.5 GB |
| 23:40:41 | jhMikeS | I see no qualm with the way jpeg uses the memory atm |
| 23:41:09 | webguest84 | I was going at it a bit blindly I'm afraid |
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| 23:42:19 | petur | webguest84: I still don't understand what you did. Did you try to start jpeg.rock? |
| 23:42:28 | webguest84 | yes |
| 23:43:05 | petur | seems it doesn't like it when you do that - here it just shows an error and quits. |
| 23:43:20 | petur | the viewers aren't made to be launched like that |
| 23:43:41 | petur | they are run when you select a supported file |
| 23:43:42 | jhMikeS | you can do an Open With... though |
| 23:44:10 | webguest84 | i didn't realise that |
| 23:44:32 | * | petur just reproduced the crash |
| 23:44:58 | webguest84 | i opened something like jpeg config or perhaps it was viewer config.. its all very new still |
| 23:45:04 | * | petur starts looking for paperclip ;) |
| 23:45:15 | webguest84 | ha ha |
| 23:45:50 | webguest84 | does it say unsupported 0 in the middle? |
| 23:45:53 | petur | yes |
| 23:45:59 | webguest84 | ok |
| 23:46:12 | petur | looking at the code now ;) |
| 23:46:24 | webguest84 | guess i was somewhere i shouldn't have been |
| 23:46:39 | petur | indeed |
| 23:46:54 | petur | to run plugins, just use the menu |
| 23:47:00 | webguest84 | hard to know first time around! |
| 23:47:04 | petur | no need to browse inside .rockbox |
| 23:47:08 | webguest84 | will do |
| 23:47:08 | jhMikeS | It doesn't check if parameter is NULL for one thing |
| 23:47:20 | * | petur points to the manual |
| 23:47:47 | webguest84 | yes i was getting carried away browsing |
| 23:47:48 | petur | I bet change_filename() kills it if it's started like that |
| 23:48:15 | webguest84 | ? |
| 23:48:38 | petur | talking about the jpeg viewer code |
| 23:48:40 | jhMikeS | It really should just exit gracfully |
| 23:48:58 | petur | it shouldn't try to decode in the first place |
| 23:50:10 | webguest84 | I've been keeping track of rockbox for over a year before taking the plunge - I have to say, what I saw pre-crash was extremely impressive. |
| 23:50:12 | jhMikeS | nope. if parameter is NULL just return PLUGIN_ERROR maybe display a nice splash screen |
| 23:51:50 | * | petur pokes cygwin a bit |
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| 23:53:29 | webguest84 | Thanks for your help guys, will maybe catch you some other time. |
| 23:54:05 | petur | yes, do get yourself a nick ;) |
| 23:54:34 | webguest84 | over my head i'm afraid |
| 23:55:17 | petur | you've already shown you master the keys in the center of your keyboard :p |
| 23:56:23 | webguest84 | ;) |
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