#rockbox 2006-11-10

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#rockbox log for 2006-11-10

00:00:06		Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07895d2b84f17b15)
00:03:01	Soap	dang Paul_the_Nerd, I'm sad I missed the exchange between you and "alex".
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00:06:43	voyeur	Soap : http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ ?
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00:07:22	Soap	nah, voyer - in the forums.
00:07:40	voyeur	oups, sorry
00:09:04	Soap	no need to be sorry.
00:09:08	grrraham	cheers petur for nudge in the right direction. Thanks for tips with ihp too.
00:09:17	scorche	Soap: still no tab-completion i see ;)
00:09:24	petur	eh?
00:09:28	grrraham	best get to bed before girlfriend leaves me!
00:09:40	grrraham	you advised i got a nick
00:09:47	petur	ah, got a nick ;)
00:10:00	grrraham	;)
00:10:06	petur	goodnight then
00:10:11	grrraham	night
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00:10:24	Soap	I blame Chatzilla, scorche .
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00:10:50	scorche	then get another client, Soap .
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00:11:38	Soap	I just installed. You should feel honoured, all I have installed so far is Firefox and Chatzilla.
00:11:57	Paul_the_Nerd	I thought Chatzilla had tab completion...
00:12:41	Soap	oh, it does, but I still blame it.
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00:40:20	*	JdGordon finished!!! wooooooy
00:40:45	scorche	grats!
00:41:24	dan_a	JdGordon: What are you doing on IRC then? You should be getting some beers in you!
00:41:31	scorche	no kidding
00:41:36	JdGordon	its 10.40am.. id rather go back to bed
00:42:01	JdGordon	i know for sure all my firends who are finished are still in bed :p
00:42:52	JdGordon	amiconn: you still up?
00:43:08	dan_a	Pffft - Students these days! When I finished my last exams it was straight out to the pub and no getting back until the next morning
00:43:35	petur	got an alcohol problem then?
00:44:41	JdGordon	grr.. the 1 day this week he leaves before 2am...
00:45:18	petur	its 0:45 am in most of Europe
00:45:20	dan_a	The island I live on has been described as 80,000 drunks clinging to a rock...
00:45:31	petur	lol
00:45:34	JdGordon	haha
00:49:23	*	barrywardell did the same as dan_a when he finished his exams
00:49:50	barrywardell	but then I'm Irish, so no surprise there!
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00:51:48	Genre9mp3	we do this almost every day here! :P
00:52:02	voyeur	Genre9mp3:where ?
00:52:10	Genre9mp3	Greece
00:52:31	voyeur	mmm, ouzo leaves me good remembers
00:52:56	Genre9mp3	ouzo usually leaves me bad ones! :)
00:53:21	pixelma	if it leaves some at all :P
00:53:32	voyeur	lol
00:53:37	Genre9mp3	hehe...yeah, that, too!
00:54:05	voyeur	france is not bad with alcool too
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00:56:02	*	Genre9mp3 says "beer" to trigger petur
00:56:39	*	scorche says "mahna mahna" to trigger petur
00:56:51	*	petur is sipping some baileys and doesn't care
00:56:58	JdGordon	petur: check this vid out.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLy8sk0MAeY&mode=related&search=
00:57:07	JdGordon	bah, bailies sux
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00:57:36	scottder	Evenin all
00:57:53	JdGordon	howdy
00:58:28	Genre9mp3	JdGordon: lol (about the vid)
00:59:00	scottder	Anyone ever have aac files that lock up Rockbox, no error....just locks and need to do a reset?
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01:00:38	scottder	they were created in itunes...
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01:11:27	yipe	I fixed it!
01:11:46	*	yipe does the happy rockox dance
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01:18:39	Nimdae	mahna mahna
01:19:02	dan_a	do dooo do do do
01:19:23	scorche	do do do do!
01:19:41	scorche	crap...add an extra do there
01:20:17	Nimdae	you totally ruined it
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01:20:31	scorche	i know!
01:21:25	JdGordon	your all nuts
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02:02:25	rigel	hey, have the volume/poweroff issues been solved on the h10? when it gets really low on battery power it always increases the volume to +6 dB and i cant turn it off.
02:02:36	rigel	im using a firmware from like 4 or 5 days ago though
02:03:27	Paul_the_Nerd	It's a hardware thing, so the only real solution would be for it to automatically shut down earlier, I think.
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02:13:06	barrywardell	rigel: not solved yet.
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02:16:55	rigel	anything i can do to help?
02:25:40	barrywardell	you could test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001
02:25:56	barrywardell	i haven't tested it myself but it sounds like it might fix it
02:32:02	barrywardell	actually, any reason why that patch hasn't been committed yet?
02:37:13	JdGordon	looks like tomsz stuffed up the ifp target tree commit..
02:38:45	barrywardell	he probably forgot to cvs add the new files
02:38:55	JdGordon	yeah, should i do it for him?
02:39:05	JdGordon	or leave it?
02:40:48	jhMikeS	JdGordon: Do it for him. I did a commit but it's so tiny I hate to see a build just for it.
02:40:59	jhMikeS	:)
02:41:16	JdGordon	na, in the fs page he said he cleaned it up a bit, so iv just reopened it and left the rest for him
02:41:26	JdGordon	also its too late anyway if you just commited
02:41:39	jhMikeS	It's taking it's time to start a new build on it.
02:41:55	jhMikeS	stil hasn't started it's been awhile
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02:42:33	JdGordon	depending on which folder you commited to it might not even rebuild
02:42:42	jhMikeS	backlight.h
02:42:47	JdGordon	well then it should
02:42:57	jhMikeS	been about maybe 8 min
02:43:11	JdGordon	haha, it doesnt like you then
02:43:33	jhMikeS	:P ... it's mad at me too
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02:45:34	jhMikeS	must be offended by my humor too ... but that's hardwired
02:45:53	JdGordon	did you do a witty commit message?
02:46:18	jhMikeS	no...things I say here probably piss some people off or make them scared
02:46:54	JdGordon	but the build server? i doubt it reads the logs :p even during the boring times.. im sure its got more fun things to do
02:47:12	jhMikeS	I think the great and powerful build master forgave me
02:47:15	JdGordon	unless of course, logbot is on that box
02:48:00	JdGordon	i tihnk i actually disagree with putting those settings in the config
02:48:34	JdGordon	but meh, too late to worry
02:48:37	jhMikeS	they're player specific in a big way
02:48:53	jhMikeS	the contrast stuff was moved before I ever did it
02:50:54	jhMikeS	could have a settings-target.h that defines such things
02:51:55	JdGordon	yes, that would be good. although i guess thats what config-target is for anyway
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02:56:46	jhMikeS	maybe I'll put my pic up on the my personal page and scare everyone else away >:)
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02:57:34	Nimdae	won't work
02:57:38	Nimdae	no one is more hideous than me
02:57:43	jhMikeS	lol
02:57:55	jhMikeS	I'll get the psychotic look just so...
02:58:09	Nimdae	http://www.nimdae.com/pics/mahnaspray2.jpg
02:58:42	JdGordon	holy crap!
02:59:39	Nimdae	exactly
02:59:41	jhMikeS	don't know if you know the show "American Chopper" but you look like Mikey...or are you the pink thing put in twice?
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03:00:02	Nimdae	actually, mikey has lighter color hair
03:01:08	JdGordon	he doent look like mikey
03:01:17	Nimdae	http://www.nimdae.com/pics/me-12-29-03.jpg
03:01:19	Nimdae	there
03:01:23	Nimdae	old pic but meh
03:01:30	JdGordon	ok, that 1 maybe
03:02:00	jhMikeS	ok, won't say it...ok will say it: serial killer photo
03:02:07	jhMikeS	:P
03:02:16	jhMikeS	there I go again
03:02:20	Nimdae	http://www.nimdae.com/pics/img_0076.jpg and that is my teddy bear
03:03:12	jhMikeS	with a nice axe
03:04:03	Nimdae	not really
03:04:33	jhMikeS	no? what's wrong with a strat?
03:04:40	Nimdae	look at what series it is
03:04:41	Nimdae	:P
03:05:02	Nimdae	that's like a $50 guitar
03:05:10	Nimdae	with one of the pickups not working
03:07:02	Nimdae	why is it that the 30gb 5g ipod has a 400 mAh battery, but the lowest value that can be chosen is 1300 mAh? does this affect anything?
03:08:24	jhMikeS	I think it affect the batter time left calculation
03:08:38	Nimdae	hmmm...
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03:09:05	Nimdae	well if memory serves me right, the 60gb ipod has a 500something mAh battery and the 30gb a 400 mAh battery
03:09:18	jhMikeS	RB should run till the player dies afaik
03:09:31	Nimdae	it does
03:09:32	scorche	the calculation is not accurate anyway, so pay it no mind....it is there mainly for other devices which have a much easier to guess playtime
03:09:47	Nimdae	heh
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03:10:24	Nimdae	well, the calculation shouldn't be based on the capacity of the battery
03:10:27	Terinjokes	hey! how is rockbox's audiobook support?
03:10:35	Nimdae	i like making guesstimates based on usage ;)
03:10:49	scorche	capacity is just one factor
03:11:10	scorche	Terinjokes: what exactly do you mean?
03:12:05	Terinjokes	well, audiobooks are sometimes very long audio files, and starting at 00:00 everytime would kinda suck
03:12:26	Nimdae	pause :)
03:12:27	scorche	rockbox supports bookmarking
03:12:35	Nimdae	and bookmarking
03:13:25	Terinjokes	ok, and how may i "bookmark" (sorry, haven't seen it in any of the builds i've used)
03:13:35	jhMikeS	Don't know why millseconds are used for position. Should use sample position in the output.
03:13:38	scorche	read the manual =)
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03:15:55	Terinjokes	ok...manual it is ;-)
03:17:49	Terinjokes	i'm sad apple fired "the apple guy"
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03:20:58	pagefault	that was fun
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03:21:50	jhMikeS	again? probably caught using rockbox
03:25:38	jhMikeS	it's probably not who I was thinking
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03:44:24	Terinjokes	any progress on nano 2?
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03:47:30	Terinjokes	yes, no?
03:47:39	scorche	no
03:48:39	Terinjokes	hrm, may i ask why?
03:48:56	scorche	you may not =)
03:49:18	Terinjokes	ok, then can you tell me ;-)
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03:49:47	kkurbjun	how do the bitmaps for each target in the plugins work?
03:50:30	kkurbjun	are the bitmap .c files automatically all built or do they need to be linked in a SOURCES like file?
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03:51:34	scorche	Terinjokes: it is the same reason any other port would not get attention....it doesnt have one or multiple of the following: a person with the capability to port, a person with the device itself, a person with the motivation to port, a person with the time to port
03:51:54	scorche	s/multiple/more
03:52:44	Terinjokes	scorche, i understand, perhap's i'll invest some free time on porting it, just as it turns out, i have no free time
03:57:24	yipe	I'd just like to interrupt for one moment that rockbox is awesome, and thank you for making it
03:57:47	yipe	s/moment/moment to say
03:57:55	*	Terinjokes seconds that motion
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03:58:17	Soap	crack the encryption so the Apple firmware can be decrypted.
03:58:39	Terinjokes	Soap, what?
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04:00:09	Soap	Considering the Nano 2nd Gen's hardware is unknown, reverse engineering the firmware would be the logical first step to creating drivers.
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04:00:41	yipe	but can rockbox use information obtained that way legally?
04:00:48	Soap	Considering the Nano 2nd gen's stock firmware is encrypted, cracking open the encryption would be the logical first step to reverse engineering it.
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04:01:25	rasher	yipe: sure
04:02:12	rasher	Reverse engineering is not illegal. Not even in USA
04:02:41	rasher	unless you're using it to circumvent copy control designed to prevent copying of a copyrighted work
04:02:49	yipe	are you sure? Using code we found by decrypting some patented software?
04:02:58	Soap	not using the code
04:03:06	Soap	studying the code to see how the hardware works.
04:03:10	yipe	ahhh
04:03:11	rasher	(in which case it is not legal in USA, but everywhere else)
04:03:14	Terinjokes	DCMA i believe states that reverse-engineering is allowed to provide better support (or something like that)
04:03:16	yipe	lol
04:03:54	Soap	compatibility, which means 100 years from now you will be allowed to crack CSS so you can make a DVD player.
04:04:01	jhMikeS	Does it really refer to circumvention only for copying? That's a good loophole if so.
04:04:11	Soap	but not to copy the movie if it is still protected.
04:04:38	Soap	protected by copyright that is.
04:05:42	Terinjokes	hrm, anyone know how to combine mp3s into one file?
04:05:58	rasher	Assuming the DMCA hasn't been tossed on the Great Chemical Fire (along with every politician responsible) by then
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04:11:06	jhMikeS	Terinjokes: there's a good free program for that and now can't recall the name, I'll try to find it.
04:11:25	Terinjokes	audicity doesn't work...so don't say that
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04:15:21	jhMikeS	Terinjokes: not sure that's it...petur told me and I'm blanking. but then again
04:16:02	Terinjokes	i know you can do it via the terminal, but was hoping for a better solution
04:17:12	jhMikeS	mp3DirectCut
04:17:17	jhMikeS	that's the one
04:17:41	Soap	if you just smush two together as I assume you mean in terminal and have ID3v1 and v2 you will have <tag>MPEGAUDIO<tag><tag>MPEGAUDIO<tag>
04:18:26	Terinjokes	mp3DirectCut is windows only, sorry
04:19:38	Soap	wine it, dine it.
04:19:56	Terinjokes	Soap, wine is x86 only, sorry
04:25:39	Terinjokes	there, just used the terminal to 'cat orignal_01.mp3 >> new.mp3' for every file
04:30:08	JdGordon	what the hell is the point of that? cp does the exact same thing
04:30:29	JdGordon	oh, 2 >'s woops
04:30:33	JdGordon	ignore me
04:30:40	JdGordon	... that wouldnt make a legal mp3 tho would it?
04:30:49	JdGordon	the metadata would be screwed
04:30:56	scorche	...as Soap said
04:31:18	*	JdGordon hasn been reading the log.. just the last 3 lines
04:31:38	scorche	go up 3 more
04:32:12	Soap	not only would the metadata be screwed, but there will be a gap at the seam, even if you remove the tags.
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04:48:51	elljay	dumb quesiton.. after i change all my settings and i shutdown.. at next boot i have nothing
04:48:54	elljay	how do i write my changes?
04:49:03	elljay	(ipod 5g)
04:51:19	JdGordon	menu > manage settings > write config file
04:51:47	elljay	k
04:51:53	elljay	it brings up a keyboard like thing
04:51:54	elljay	says
04:52:04	elljay	/.rockbox/config01.cfg at the bottom
04:52:14	JdGordon	yes, u need to choose the location.. i dont know how to use it for the ipod
04:56:05	elljay	ah
04:56:09	elljay	it autosaves on shutdown
04:56:19	elljay	BUT if you start the ipod with the hold enabled it reverts to defaults
04:56:27	elljay	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7212.msg56432;topicseen
04:56:29	elljay	very good
04:56:32	elljay	thanks jd
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07:42:50	rigel	how do i add a patch to my firmware
07:43:04	rigel	im really clueless. all i do is replace the filetree on my h10.
07:43:08	rigel	i dont ever compile
07:44:05	JdGordon	do you know howto compile?
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07:46:37	amiconn	morning
07:46:49	JdGordon	morning
07:46:55	scorche	morning
07:46:58	amiconn	kkurbjun: Any reason why the new clock logo is mono instead of native?
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07:47:44	kkurbjun	I wanted it to match the foreground background settings for the color firmware
07:48:27	kkurbjun	I guess it could be changed, but it looked funny with an all white background when the main backgorund was set to a different color
07:49:02	kkurbjun	and I was worried that a transparent background wouldn't show if the colors were set particularly
07:49:17	amiconn	You could use a colour logo and the use lcd_bitmap_transparent() in the plugin
07:49:38	kkurbjun	yep, that's where I was worried about the logo not showing
07:49:49	scorche	finally got my dad to put rockbox on his ajbr...he wants it taken off now =(
07:50:02	kkurbjun	if I used black text for the logo, and the background color was set black
07:50:09	kkurbjun	then the logo wouldn't show, correct?
07:50:22	amiconn	Only if the logo is single colour
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07:50:37	amiconn	...but then you wouldn't need a native bitmap
07:50:56	amiconn	The other option would be to fix the background in the plugin
07:51:07	kkurbjun	yep, that's what I was using for now. I was jsut scaling the original logo up by converting it to an svg and then rendering for each depth
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07:51:35	amiconn	Of course, if you don't want the logo to be more than single colour, using a mono bitmap saves memory
07:51:47	kkurbjun	true
07:51:48	amiconn	...but drawing a mono bitmap is slower
07:52:22	amiconn	scorche: Huh? On recorder v1??
07:52:31	scorche	yeah...
07:52:40	scorche	apparently he claims it takes forever to change tracks...which stems from him putting all of his files in one folder im sure
07:53:00	kkurbjun	I was thinking it might be nice is the clock still used the same colors as the rest of the interface too..
07:53:26	amiconn	The recv1 archos firmware's UI is really awkward, but probably the strongest argument is the ticking noise...
07:53:42	kkurbjun	Or if the backdrop carried over into the plugin
07:54:12	kkurbjun	(for the clock that is)
07:54:40	scorche	yes...i know...i have one too of course....maybe i should just spend the time to properly organize his music for him...just thought it was odd that archos firmware doesnt take near as much time to find the track as rockbox does
07:55:27	amiconn	How many tracks are we talking about? I haven't observed any slow track changing on my recorder
07:56:26	scorche	a few thousand...i can check the exact amount when he gets home
07:56:58	scorche	but i made a folder on mine with about 300 in it and noticed it does indeed take slightly longer to load tracks in that folder
07:57:09	amiconn	Hmm, my largest folder contains 229 tracks
07:57:44	amiconn	Is that with rombox?
07:57:54	scorche	make a playlist with a couple folders with 5 in them and then have your large folder...there is a difference
07:57:59	scorche	it isnt
07:59:54	JdGordon	use tagcache?
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08:00:43	amiconn	One thing I observed with rombox is that handling large lists is noticeably slower
08:00:47	scorche	i didnt try...i never use the feature
08:00:53	amiconn	Especially visible with tagcache
08:00:58	scorche	(@ JdGordon)
08:01:34	amiconn	scorche: The reason is probably the way .playlist_control is handled on hwcodec
08:01:56	amiconn	Maybe we can back-port the thread method to hwcodec
08:02:12	*	amiconn would like to ask hardeep about that
08:05:42	amiconn	jhMikeS: Regarding the lcd-h100.c split: For greyscale ipods (ipods are already split but the device specific parts are still in firmware/drivers) I was lazy and just used 2 dibits arrays...
08:05:49	*	myzar licks scorche
08:05:52	amiconn	Maybe I should fix that
08:06:35	*	scorche is surprised myzar is speaking in here again =P
08:07:10	kkurbjun	amiconn: how do you feel about exposing lcd_set_backdrop to the plugins? My thought was for plugins that are not really graphical they could set the backdrop back to the core backdrop for a more consistent feel.
08:08:22	amiconn	Probably
08:09:07	amiconn	In fact we should rethink the plugin start. Maybe it's better to keep the colours (and backdrop) and let the plugin handle desired changes
08:09:30	amiconn	(that would still require to expose lcd_backdrop)
08:10:14	amiconn	The graphical plugins mostly set their own values anyway
08:10:30	kkurbjun	I kind of like that idea - I think overall it would give a more polished look when using the plugins
08:10:43	kkurbjun	kind of = do
08:11:58	scorche	amiconn: yeah...it is beyond me atm...are you going to speak to him about it, or should i?
08:12:30	kkurbjun	I could look into doing that eventually. My time has been limited as of late, but it shouldn't be too time consuming.
08:17:33	kkurbjun	amiconn, Another quesion about funcitons in the core: there's been a sscanf file in the core common directory for a while, but it was never compiled in. I would like to use it for a doom addon, and I know the original version was broken- I've fixed it enough to work for doom, and I know on some of the targets space is tight, but would it be acceptable to build it into the core or should I just build the funciton into doom?
08:19:05	kkurbjun	funciton = function
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08:27:30	amiconn	I'd say build it into doom for now
08:28:04	swissDiurnambule	Hi there.. Nothing new about cpufreq problem with ipod 4g photo ?
08:28:17	amiconn	Btw, nice to see that at least some other devs are also looking into fixing plugins for our variety of targets :)
08:30:06	kkurbjun	ok, that works. : ), glad to help. I just updated the plugin loader and the clock looks pretty nice with the existing core backdrop. I'll test out the rest of the plugins and do a commit on that later. It was faster and easier then I was expecting : ).
08:30:45	midkay	hooray.
08:31:13	amiconn	lcd_set_backdrop() still needs to be exported and thegraphical plugins need to remove backdrop while they're running
08:32:01	kkurbjun	yep, I exported it, and I'll update the plugins that need to set the backdrop to null later.. I'm exposing lcd_set and lcd_get backdrop
08:32:35	scorche	hrm...maybe i should start fixing plugins...i have been bored lately
08:32:35	kkurbjun	so if a plugin wants to set a fullscreen backdrop it can
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08:33:19	myzar	nothing can stop me, scorche
08:33:26	myzar	no amount of criticism, hating, or RACIAL SLURS
08:33:33	scorche	myzar: i can =)
08:33:49	myzar	the only way to stop me is to sedate me with a night of rough sex
08:33:54	myzar	LETS SEE YOU DO IT, TOUGH GUY
08:34:01	myzar	;p
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08:34:14	pondlife	amiconn: Your X5 IRAM change probably needs echoing in playback.c.
08:34:23	amiconn	oh?
08:34:27	scorche	ick...we need to have you neutered
08:34:36	pondlife	if defined(IAUDIO_X5) #define CODEC_IRAM_ORIGIN 0x10014000
08:34:43	amiconn	I thought that was centralised some time ago...
08:34:48	pondlife	It really needs moving to the config...
08:34:49	amiconn	oops
08:34:56	amiconn	definitely
08:35:17	pondlife	I would, but (a) I don't really understand it and (b) still immersed in Real Life.
08:36:42	myzar	pondlife, you can TOTALLY program and have a real life
08:36:48	myzar	...oh, you mean the MMO Real Life
08:36:56	pondlife	No, I mean Real Life (TM)
08:37:01	myzar	I stand corrected
08:37:35	amiconn	pondlife: Not only the origin, but also the size
08:37:41	pondlife	For me, Real Life involves plenty of programming, but none of it Rockbox related
08:37:44	pondlife	Yes
08:38:05	pondlife	The whole IRAM/DRAM stuff that varies by target should be shuffled off somewhere central
08:39:40	amiconn	I'll commit a quick fix for now
08:41:49	midkay	kkurbjun: ooh, a clock update.
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08:43:44	kkurbjun	midkay, yep, still needs some updated images for the binary and plain clock though
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08:45:23	kkurbjun	the logo changed a little bit - I tired to keep it as original as possible - i used inkscape to convert the original image to an svg and then scaled it for each target
08:45:56	kkurbjun	if you're interested in changing the logo I have the svg file if it would help at all
08:47:41	midkay	kkurbjun: thanks for the effort, it looks quite similar but i don't particularly care for the logo itself. i'd like to create up some new bitmaps and a new logo maybe.. time permitting.
08:48:19	midkay	one thing you should do is remove the #ifdef LCD_WIDTH > 112 & LCD_HEIGHT > 64 lcd_drawlines.. somewhere in the plugin entry point.
08:48:51	kkurbjun	yeah, I'm not offended at all if you want to change it, it was just a quick way for me to scale it up
08:49:52	kkurbjun	where is that?
08:49:56	midkay	that's cool, i appreciate it, i'm happy that you kept the original design intact as much as possible. :) it still might need changing but the effort is definitely appreciated.
08:50:31	midkay	it should be near the bottom, somewhere around where i call if(clock.mode == ANALOG) analog_mode(); else if(... and before the button code.
08:51:14	midkay	my bad, it's..
08:51:16	midkay	#if (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD)
08:51:41	midkay	look for that.. it should have been based on LCD width/height but it was kinda placeholder, forgot to update it for lcd size instead of just ipod pad.
08:53:03	kkurbjun	what does that do?
08:53:18	kkurbjun	do you want the lines on the screen?
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08:54:04	kkurbjun	I'll look into it later.. I need to sleep - gotta work early
08:54:18	midkay	toss the ifdef and its code, it was just to draw a small border around the smaller-than-LCD clock..
08:54:28	midkay	just to define the 112x64 area where the archos LCD would be..
08:54:42	midkay	whenever, that's fine.. it's ugly on my 5G though. :)
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08:56:32	ravon	Anyone else who has problems building on Coldfire targets?
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09:02:39	Bagder	ravon: still?
09:02:42	daurn	yo
09:02:52	daurn	sup all
09:02:52	Bagder	cvs builds seem fine now
09:03:45	*	pondlife had a thought
09:04:01	ravon	Just updated from cvs and made sure I haven't got any modifications of my own
09:04:09	ravon	/home/marco/dev/rockbox/vanilla/build/librockbox.a(system-coldfire.o): In function `CDROMNEWBLK':
09:04:11	ravon	system-coldfire.c:(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `system_display_exception_info'
09:04:23	ravon	damn, meeting.. brb
09:04:47	pondlife	When someone attempts to use the Database/ID3 view and TagCache hasn't been initialised, should we just ask them if they want to initialise now?
09:05:13	Slasheri	pondlife: please free to implement that :)
09:05:15	pondlife	A numbe of new users seem to stumble at this point.
09:05:23	Bagder	sounds like a sound approach
09:05:26	JdGordon	and then what? wait 5 min before its useable?
09:05:31	pondlife	Yes
09:05:44	Slasheri	btw, now a host support of the tagcache has been committed
09:05:53	pondlife	Well, no. Back to the previous view for a bit I guess.
09:05:54	Nimdae	god, i got this jbl on stage ii thing for my ipod and i've been freakign out because i can't control anything but volume, and i just realized it's because of rockbox :(
09:06:04	Slasheri	with a new tool database.c (that is a bare skeleton without any options)
09:06:16	Bagder	Slasheri: nice!
09:06:40	Bagder	but we need to work on the endian issue
09:06:41	Slasheri	and i forgot to mention in the commit message that also a problem has been fixed when initializing db with too long filenames
09:06:45	Slasheri	yep
09:08:34	swissDiurnambule	Sorry to disturb your technical discussions but do you know if something has been planned about the freezes of the ipod 4g color dued to cpufreq... ? (other than disabling cpu scaling which empties the battery after 2 hours...)
09:08:37	pondlife	Was a decision made regarding endian-ness? i.e. whether file format should be target-independent?
09:09:01	pondlife	swissDiurnambule: Have you tried the patches on Flyspray?
09:09:05	Bagder	let's add command line options for what target it should be generated for
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09:09:17	locutox	HELLO
09:09:21	pondlife	Search for experimental scaling or similar
09:09:32	locutox	why isn't rockbox on nano 2g
09:09:38	swissDiurnambule	no I tried cpufreq3 patch.. which works but makes problems with scrolling and sometimes playback
09:09:46	Nimdae	locutox: because it's new hardware
09:09:58	locutox	lol you said hard
09:10:15	locutox	is there any news on progress or anything?
09:10:26	Nimdae	have you checked the forum?
09:10:30	locutox	i kinda bought it so i could use rockbox with the flac and stuff
09:10:39	locutox	but it didn't occur to me that it wouldn't be supported
09:10:56	*	pondlife bought a new toaster yesterday :)
09:11:01	Nimdae	yeah...i've been thinking about getting a nano..been looking at the refurbs that apple offers of the 1g
09:11:05	locutox	the rockbox site is a penis to navigate
09:11:22	Nimdae	is it really?
09:11:24	pondlife	Suggestions for improvement?
09:11:34	Nimdae	i mean, i see a menu on the left, and there is a link called "forums"
09:11:35	swissDiurnambule	ok thanks... In fact I was wondering if anybody was aware of that problem...
09:11:36	locutox	i dislike apple but the nano rules :D
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09:12:01	Nimdae	petur: mahna mahna
09:12:07	pondlife	Na na na na na
09:12:12	pondlife	:(
09:12:18	petur	wow
09:12:20	Nimdae	god, why does everyone have to ruin it?
09:12:22	Bagder	locutox: it'll be quite some time before we can support Nano 2gen, if ever
09:12:29	pondlife	Nimdae: You ruined it already
09:12:34	locutox	Bagder :(
09:12:38	Nimdae	D:
09:13:04	Nimdae	i'm gonna go see if there's any work on getting remotes to work on ipods
09:13:18	locutox	im working on a little project and i need a programmable mp3 player damnit
09:13:35	locutox	and i bought the wrong damn one
09:13:36	JdGordon	Bagder: is the script behind the cvs build table avaiable anywhere?
09:13:37	pondlife	I've got an Archos Recorder going on eBay soon.
09:13:42	Bagder	JdGordon: nope
09:13:44	petur	so many nice players and you had to pick an ipod
09:13:50	pondlife	With remote and full car kit.
09:14:01	JdGordon	Bagder: can you make it available please?
09:14:03	pondlife	Wonder if anyone will want it though...
09:14:11	Nimdae	locutox: return it and go here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=32DAAC51&nclm=Certified
09:14:14	locutox	petur: i wanted one that was small
09:15:11	Bagder	JdGordon: sure, I'll just have to remove the sensitive stuff from it
09:16:41	locutox	is rockbox hard to develop for
09:17:17	Bagder	no
09:17:26	locutox	cool :D
09:17:26	markun	locutox: not very hard, but it takes some time to find out where everything is
09:18:07	markun	locutox: what is bothering you about the website?
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09:18:14	locutox	would it be possible to change sample rates on the fly?
09:18:26	locutox	or speed up/slow down playback of songs
09:18:47	Nimdae	depends on the hardware
09:18:51	markun	morning LinusN
09:18:58	LinusN	markun: moo
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09:19:17	Nimdae	i dunno what's in the new nano, but the 5g hardware wouldn't be able to, i would think
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09:20:23	Nimdae	man, i kinda like this speaker dock thing i got
09:20:28	Nimdae	sounds pretty good
09:20:33	Nimdae	too bad remote doesn't work :(
09:21:34	LinusN	kkurbjun: there?
09:21:56	locutox	markun: i wanted to find out if rockbox could play mods properly and where to get mod playing builds
09:24:27	markun	locutox: there is at least one mod codec for rockbox, but I've never tried it
09:24:51	Bagder	LinusN: he said he was going to bed about 30mins ago
09:25:02	LinusN	oh
09:26:08	JdGordon	Bagder: ah ok, dw bout it then
09:26:41	Bagder	JdGordon: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/buildmaster.txt
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09:27:04	Bagder	it is not complete, it relies on other scripts
09:27:29	JdGordon	thanks
09:28:12	JdGordon	and im off... cyaz
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09:30:34	locutox	bah reading up on the 2g it looks like its encrypted tofuck:/
09:30:48	locutox	but atleast when i say i have a NEW NANO it really is new
09:31:38	Bagder	and that is important?
09:31:58	locutox	well there'd be no point showing it off if it was just the old bits in a new case
09:33:15	Bagder	I've never "showed off" any player so I can't tell
09:33:27	locutox	thats cause your player is shit
09:33:57	Bagder	now, you behave or you better leave
09:34:02	*	petur did show off rockbox :)
09:34:09	locutox	ok :D
09:34:12	locutox	i wish i had rockbox:/
09:34:18	petur	:p
09:34:38	locutox	then maybe i wouldnt have to encode 10kb mod files to 5mb mp3s
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09:42:12	Nimdae	awww, no one has the accessory thing figured out on the ipod yet :(
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09:46:44	petur	Nimdae: there's a wiki page over at ipodlinux iirc
09:48:01	*	petur is gathering some testers for the recording update at taperssection.com
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09:48:28	Nimdae	yeah, i found some info on it
09:48:39	Nimdae	apparently it's been figured out, but i haven't found anything that says it actually works
09:50:10	LinusN	afaik, many parts of the accessory protocol are known, but we still don't know how to access the serial port
09:52:22	Nimdae	sometimes i wish i wasn't an idiot :P
09:52:46	LinusN	hmmm, looks like they have figured that out too...
09:53:04	Nimdae	yeah, i'm seeing hints they figured out the serial port, but not the usb port
09:53:18	Nimdae	someone claims to have figured out the usb, but there's no hard evidence
09:54:46	LinusN	hard evidence, like a shaky video with weird al music? :-)
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09:57:03	Nimdae	or an ascii drawing perhaps
09:57:35	petur	LinusN: do you have an opened h3x0? I was wondering if pin4 of the uspotg port is connected somewhere. Also would like to know how the charge pump is connected. Because the isp1362 has an output to control an external chargepump but there was this code in the disassembly that makes us think otherwise
09:58:36	petur	I'm stuck with the driver waiting for VBus rise, so it could be I'm not getting the chargepump on
09:58:37	LinusN	i haven't examined those parts
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09:59:04	petur	still must measure on the connector
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10:00:02	petur	the weird thing is the ID pin is connected to the coldfire as it's suppposed to be connected to pin4 on the usbotg connector (with a pull-up)
10:00:35	petur	maybe iriver wanted to make sure it would only operate in the mode they want
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10:11:41	Nimdae	ok, so, there is no net gain while ipod is connected to computer, but there is while plugged just into power?
10:13:03	Nimdae	i figured it'd be the same both ways, but my ipod went from 70something% to now 97% while playing from jbl dock, heh
10:14:08	markun	Some more Gigabeat progress: http://picasaweb.google.com/kot.begemot/Gigabeat/photo#4995681346297397266
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10:15:54	Nimdae	sweet
10:16:10	Nimdae	i take it this is a new port?
10:17:52	petur	markun: nice
10:17:54	linuxstb_	markun: Nice. What is left to do before the file browser is working?
10:19:06	markun	linuxstb_: This is vadim's build. I'm trying to get it up-to-date and then check what's left to be done.
10:19:47	linuxstb_	Any idea if the button driver is working?
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10:20:43	markun	he told me it's not working. But I've wrote a little test which prints the button presses to the screen and it worked fine.
10:22:06	markun	Nimdae: yes, a new port
10:22:06	thegeek	I love the _awsome_ progress Rockbox have had these last few years
10:23:02	thegeek	going from a good firmware for archos players only to what is really becoming a LOT of different devices
10:23:08	Nimdae	i wish i could get a friend of mine to work on rockbox
10:23:12	Nimdae	he writes asm while drunk
10:23:21	petur	rofl
10:23:31	petur	does it also work?
10:23:37	Nimdae	allegedly
10:23:38	thegeek	coding while drunk is a dangerous thing;P
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10:23:56	Nimdae	he's told me about some of his C comments from when he coded drunk
10:23:56	Nimdae	heh
10:24:31	*	petur doesn't need alcohol to write weird comments in his code :)
10:24:35	Nimdae	he'd be coding, it'd look wrong, so he // note to self, fix this while sober
10:25:01	Nimdae	then he'd look at it while sober and be like "wtf was i trying to do?"
10:25:34	petur	I bet he writes for microsoft?
10:25:39	Nimdae	naa
10:25:42	*	petur ducks
10:25:47	Nimdae	he doesn't code professionally
10:25:58	Nimdae	except for some php at work
10:26:08	Nimdae	(we work at the same place)
10:27:09	Nimdae	i don't code drunk and i still question my own code
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10:27:36	Nimdae	took me a week to get a crc32 algorithm working in tcl :(
10:28:01	markun	Nimdae: does he have a DAP?
10:28:10	Nimdae	he has a 1g nano
10:28:12	Nimdae	running rockbox
10:30:12	Nimdae	oh yeah, i just updated rockbox, i should play with it a bit
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11:57:26	andrewmel	Hi all, looking for a little general help
11:58:52	markun	andrewmel: what's the problem
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12:00:13	andrewmel	I am trying to get my head around the chessbox code to make what I hope are a few small simple changes. I now realise that it is, of course, a much more complex set up :)
12:00:17	andrewmel	What are .h files?
12:01:15	dionoea	do you know how to code C ?
12:02:50	andrewmel	I have done some small changes in the metronome.c program, adding a menu system and some code so you can set every x beat to be a different sound. so you can get ding, tick, tick, tick for a 4 beats per bar.
12:03:19	andrewmel	however I was much better at Pascal than I am at C
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12:03:58	markun	andrewmel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Header_file
12:11:17	andrewmel	markun: thanks, that makes it more clear.
12:12:48	andrewmel	I want to add a small change to chessbox, so that it makes two squares appear a little different, the ones the piece moved to and from. this way when it is your move you will be able to see the computers last move.
12:14:36	andrewmel	I am hoping I only need fill two variables, one to store those positions, and then use them in the cb_drawboard procedure to somehow overdraw the borders of those two squares. If I am lucky it will only require a couple of line of declarations, a couple of lines of code to get the squares, and another couple to draw them.
12:15:22	linuxstb_	Slasheri: I'm trying your database tool - it seemed to work (after I changed the hard-coded path...) but according to the DEBUG messages, it only found mp2/mp3 files.
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12:31:45	linuxstb_	Slasheri: Looking at the code, CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC in your standalone database build - so only the mp2/mp3 metadata parsers are working. Adding -DCONFIG_CODEC=1 (SWCODEC is 1) gives warnings and then an error when compiling metedata.c
12:32:30	Slasheri	linuxstb_: ah, i didn't notice that.. fixing :)
12:33:13	Slasheri	or did you already fixed it? :)
12:33:34	linuxstb_	No, it's giving errors about missing replaygain functions.. I'm happy to leave it to you...
12:33:47	Slasheri	ok, i will have a look
12:34:04	pondlife	I've had 2 mystery hard crashes this morning. Just playing normally and my H300 locks.
12:34:08	andrewmel	can somebody please remind me, and this time I will save it in a file, how to direct compiler errors to a file?
12:34:27	linuxstb_	make &> logfile
12:34:30	pondlife	Both times, it was displaying a scrolling filename and the scrolling line was half-displayed.
12:35:03	pondlife	That is there was a discontinuity where part of the line was scrolled to a different place to the rest.
12:36:15	andrewmel	Thanks Linuxstb
12:37:06	pondlife	Any reason that the scrolling code should be having trouble? Memory mash? amiconn's DMA LCD update?
12:37:24	Slasheri	linuxstb_: adding ../firmware/replaygain.c as source seems to work.. now i got only warnings about differ in signedness issues
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12:39:40	linuxstb_	Slasheri: OK, trying now.
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12:42:49	linuxstb_	Now my PC is refusing to see my ipod...
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12:48:31	Slasheri	linuxstb_: a fix committed now
12:49:58	voyeur	Jewels ! Jewels !
12:51:17	voyeur	Do you think a SansaLinux could exist ? (as the ipodlinux project)
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12:52:33	linuxstb_	voyeur: Technically, yes, but I don't know who would do it. Rockbox developers aren't interested in porting Linux, and the IPL developers don't seem to be interested in porting IPL to non-ipod platforms.
12:56:36	voyeur	linuxstb: Thanks.
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13:09:58	Bagder	strcpy(p, (char *)&buf[0x16]);
13:10:04	Bagder	that kind of code makes me scared
13:10:23	Bagder	in apps/metadata.c
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13:17:11	amiconn	Bagder: The cast is because of the gcc 4.x signedness warnings afaics
13:17:22	Bagder	I know, I was more talking about the strcpy()
13:17:28	Bagder	blindly assuming fine input
13:17:37	amiconn	But I prefer pointer arithmetic instead of &array[index]
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13:22:26	*	Genre9mp3 wonders what's wrong with the name "tagcache"
13:22:37	Bagder	Genre9mp3: it isn't a cache
13:22:56	Bagder	that's my main issue with it
13:22:57	Genre9mp3	but it's a nice and unique name
13:23:33	Bagder	I disagree
13:24:00	Genre9mp3	ok... it's a database... so let's name it "database" </boring>
13:24:28	Bagder	it is less confusing
13:24:41	linuxstb_	Genre9mp3: It's more to do with what the menu options are called - "initialise database" and "File View: database" make sense.
13:26:08	Genre9mp3	well.. I understand that it makes more sense... but I'll miss tagcache :(
13:26:54	andrewmel	tagbase?
13:27:04	andrewmel	rocktagbase?
13:27:05	Genre9mp3	I would also like the runtime db to be named "statcache"
13:27:07	*	Genre9mp3 hides
13:28:08	linuxstb_	It's not even a tag database - it uses filenames if no tags are present...
13:28:17	amiconn	Bagder: Imho strcpy() is okay when it is certain that the input string cannot be longer than the buffer
13:28:36	Bagder	he can't in that case
13:29:22	Bagder	I committed a fix for it now
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13:46:06	roolku	bagder: I saw your commit re:SID - have you considered patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5720 by any chance?
13:47:00	Bagder	"These are 32 byte long zero terminated ASCII character strings"
13:47:16	Bagder	I don't see anything mentioning urtf8
13:47:37	Bagder	ehm
13:47:42	Bagder	to utf8
13:47:46	roolku	bagder: yes, but rockbox displays utf-8
13:47:51	Bagder	yes, it should probably be made something like that
13:48:33	roolku	bagder: chris huelsbeck doesn't look right without the umlaut
13:48:55	Bagder	but don't mistake me for someone who does anything SID-related
13:49:07	Bagder	I just fixed a in my view very bad code
13:49:10	roolku	bagder: hehe
13:49:29	Bagder	but I did write a SID routing
13:49:32	Bagder	routine
13:49:45	Bagder	if you find music by Skyline, chances are its with my code
13:49:57	roolku	cool
13:50:02	Bagder	both LinusN and Zagor did music with it
13:50:11	preglow	we should check out if those play nice in rockbox...
13:50:31	*	roolku goes away and searches for skyline...
13:50:34	LinusN	they play allright
13:50:48	LinusN	the filter sucks, though
13:50:54	preglow	depends
13:51:00	preglow	it works fine for 8580 tunes
13:51:07	preglow	but for 6581 tunes, it sucks ass, like all other emulations
13:51:18	*	LinusN had 6581
13:51:22	*	preglow still has one
13:51:46	LinusN	i have 3 c64's, haven't used any of them for many many years
13:51:57	preglow	no c64s, unfortunately
13:52:13	preglow	i have one, but it's broken and lacking its sid chip, heh
13:52:20	LinusN	:-)
13:54:20	preglow	anyway, the 6581 filter is so grandly messed up i seriously doubt we'll see a good emulation for a good while, if ever
13:54:34	preglow	distorts like mad in all the good ways
13:56:10	Bagder	http://noname.c64.org/csdb/scener/?id=8084
13:56:17	Bagder	man I did a lot of junk already then!
13:56:39	Bagder	on the internet, no one forgets
13:58:08	markun	Bagder: yes, you are famous :)
13:58:37	Bagder	that explains all the money and glory I get
13:58:49	Bagder	:-)
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13:59:36	markun	Bagder: a friend was amazed when he discovered I've chatted with the creator of curl :)
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14:00:09	Bagder	haha
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14:06:19	pondlife	Bit late, but I've got a C128 if anyone wants it!!!
14:06:34	pondlife	Horrible machine, a C64 with a Z80 glued on.
14:06:48	pondlife	Nice keyboard though.
14:07:09	*	LinusN has a 128 as well
14:07:40	preglow	ahh
14:07:44	*	preglow wants to to demos
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14:08:13	LinusN	http://noname.c64.org/csdb/scener/?id=362
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14:08:40	Bagder	oh, with a picture! ;-)
14:08:48	LinusN	"ex member of horizon" :-)
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14:09:01	pondlife	lol
14:09:18	pondlife	"That's Mr Boogloo to you"
14:09:24	pondlife	damn spelling
14:09:50	preglow	damn, more music than code
14:10:53	LinusN	yes
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14:21:18	Bagder	friday afternoon reading: http://www.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23914
14:21:24	Bagder	phishing as its best
14:24:28	LinusN	lol and lol again
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14:31:10	aliask	ahhhh, good stuff
14:32:56	voyeur	lol :o
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15:42:14	Paul_the_Nerd	That is a dangerous thing to do
15:42:55	Paul_the_Nerd	I've heard a few stories of hardware failure that seems to relate to the H120 completely discharging while on USB that were strangely consistent in their symptoms, way back when I read them on MR.
15:44:18	jhMikeS	it seems alright thankfully. was so tired I was out instantly.
15:44:38	Paul_the_Nerd	Heh
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15:46:50	jhMikeS	really should shut down in time instead of running till whimpering out
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16:08:52	jhMikeS	how many different batteries are in the various x5s? just two?
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16:09:10	LinusN	jhMikeS: as far as i know, yes
16:09:24	jhMikeS	The 950mAh and the 2250?
16:09:39	LinusN	yes
16:10:56	MySic	plese
16:11:29	MySic	for an ipod 5G (60go)anybody knows how many mAh for the batteries ?
16:12:13	LinusN	MySic: i think 450 mAh
16:12:25	LinusN	MySic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
16:12:31	MySic	ok thanks
16:13:23	MySic	lol
16:13:33	MySic	i can't select it in the config menu
16:13:40	MySic	the min value is 1300mAh
16:14:18	MySic	do they hava any consequence about charging or discharging batterie ?
16:15:04	LinusN	MySic: no
16:15:12	MySic	ok
16:15:19	MySic	what's for this config ?
16:15:19	LinusN	it's only for calculating the % left
16:15:25	MySic	ok
16:15:49	MySic	so the % on the ipod is wrong
16:16:55	LinusN	yes
16:18:01	amiconn	The mAh are not even important for calculating the percentage
16:18:14	amiconn	Only for calculating the remaining runtime
16:18:29	MySic	ok
16:18:40	MySic	i will try to modifing the sources to see the change
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16:31:55	Sutefupuno	Hy
16:32:09	Sutefupuno	Somebody there
16:32:28	Sutefupuno	Hi
16:32:46	n1s	would any one object to closeing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5184 as afaic that would'nt be very good for a li-pol battery and the x5 charging is hw-controlled anyway, right?
16:33:42	rasher	Sounds about right
16:35:57	Sutefupuno	right
16:36:42	Sutefupuno	Cam me somebody explan how i give note to my tracks
16:37:03	rasher	"Give note"?
16:38:28	Sutefupuno	ähmmm i'm a german
16:38:41	Sutefupuno	i dont find the word.........
16:38:53	Sutefupuno	give a song a.......
16:38:55	rasher	What's it in german?
16:39:14	Sutefupuno	in German "Bewertung
16:39:32	rasher	rating
16:39:46	Sutefupuno	i think so
16:39:52	Sutefupuno	yes
16:40:07	rasher	Hm, I think you have to be using tag cache first, and turn on "gather runtime data (experimental)"
16:40:22	rasher	And then open the context menu on the WPS, and there should be a "rate song" item
16:40:39	Sutefupuno	Ok one moment
16:40:42	Sutefupuno	i Try
16:41:21	rasher	But honestly, I'm not quite sure - I don't use it myselff
16:41:33	Slasheri	rating songs manually is not yet possible
16:41:45	Sutefupuno	oh...... sure?
16:41:53	Sutefupuno	shure
16:41:57	Slasheri	currently only an autoscore is calculated when any file has been played
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16:42:22	Sutefupuno	what is the context menu?
16:42:40	Slasheri	Sutefupuno: try holding down menu/navi button in wps
16:42:47	Slasheri	that should bring up the context menu
16:43:15	Slasheri	you can hold it in other places (such as playlist viewer, file/database browser etc.) also
16:43:51	jhMikeS	n1s: x5 charging is handled by the pmu
16:44:01	Sutefupuno	which one menu/navi button
16:44:18	n1s	jhMikeS: so it would be possible, but stupid?
16:44:39	Sutefupuno	which one is menu/navi button
16:44:49	rasher	Sutefupuno: which player do you have?
16:45:36	Sutefupuno	I have an Iriver H10
16:46:22	Sutefupuno	Why
16:46:33	rasher	Next
16:46:35	rasher	Is the button
16:46:36	jhMikeS	n1s: on x5 there's no point in having anything else manage charging but the unit itself
16:46:48	amiconn	n1s: Trying to "conition" a LiIon / LiPo battery would be a bad idea..
16:47:47	n1s	amiconn, yeah that's what I thought, seems people really got the message with the NiCd etc. and think everything is the same :-/
16:48:22	barrywardell	what do people thing about having this committed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001 ?
16:48:55	Sutefupuno	My iriver h10 say "tag cache not ready"
16:49:00	*	jhMikeS accidentally "reconditioned" his H120 but it's ok
16:49:07	Sutefupuno	i come not in wps
16:49:29	rasher	Sutefupuno: You need to be using tag cache first
16:49:37	barrywardell	it would also fix 4783 and 5788
16:49:53	jhMikeS	having a dangerous level shutdown is what I needed last night while sleeping
16:49:53	rasher	Sutefupuno: See the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-410004.2.3
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16:50:54	Sutefupuno	sorry...what is the tagcache?
16:51:15	rasher	Sutefupuno: It's all explained in the manual where I linked you - better than I could
16:51:29	rasher	Sutefupuno: But again, you cannot rate songs right now
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16:51:48	jhMikeS	barrywardell: does nothing for the bootloader does it?
16:52:06	barrywardell	jhMikeS: I'm not sure. should it?
16:52:40	barrywardell	i guess there shold be something extra in the bootloader to check battery level and not allow turning on if it's too low?
16:52:49	jhMikeS	last night I left by H120 on usb with no charger connected. it was dead when I woke. I think it should.
16:53:53	jhMikeS	It should shut off when too low for sure and do a check at startup, pop a message "low battery" and shut down. OF does that.
16:54:23	amiconn	jhMikeS: There is a dangerous level check implemented in hardware
16:54:29	barrywardell	i'll have a look and see if it does give a "low battery" message on startup
16:55:10	amiconn	Not having that would be really dangerous with LiIon / LiPo
16:55:28	barrywardell	amiconn: is that just a fail-safe? ie. is there checking in the firmware too?
16:55:38	barrywardell	that seems to be what the h10 has
16:55:59	jhMikeS	I don't think the battery should run down to the point where hw can't function properly. Should shut off before an emergency forced shutdown IMO.
16:56:14	*	barrywardell agrees
16:56:39	jhMikeS	barrywardell: Seems that there is since I saw it when I first got the unit and it wasn't charged yet
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16:58:06	barrywardell	someone just posted on the tracker task about it being a problem on the X5 too
16:59:26	jhMikeS	It seems about 3.55V is the dangerous level on x5. It will keep running beyond that but it's well over the knee of the discharge curve. Did some plots of a battery bench for an X5L.
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17:00:16	jhMikeS	Battery voltage is already dropping fast at that point
17:00:54	amiconn	jhMikeS: Perhaps... for LiPo / LiIon
17:01:55	amiconn	For NiMH it's a bad idea to artificially limit the discharge. It would cost a significant amount of runtime
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17:06:54	Slasheri	and for NiMH it's best to always fully discharge the battery
17:07:53	barrywardell	which targets use NiMH?
17:07:56	rasher	Archos
17:08:01	jhMikeS	they iRiver and iAudio have lithium type though and should be treated accordingly
17:08:04	rasher	Most at least, if not all
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17:08:26	barrywardell	we could just set the poweroff level to be 0 in that case?
17:08:35	rasher	Ah, not the new recorders
17:08:56	jhMikeS	There's a battery level dangerous that can be defined, things should happen there
17:09:10	amiconn	Archos player and recorder v1 use NiMH
17:09:24	amiconn	The Ondios can be run from NiMH or Alkalines
17:09:33	amiconn	Recorder FM and V2 use LiIon
17:10:33	amiconn	BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS defines when the battery icon will start blinking
17:10:47	jhMikeS	of course the pcf can use interrupts to inform, just have to set the levels and perhaps broadcast a message about it
17:10:56	amiconn	...and on archos, the flash plugin refuses to flash at dangerous levels in order to avoid problems
17:11:24	barrywardell	so LiIon targets should have the shut off an an appropriate level for the battery. NiMH and alkaline should not have shutoff at all, by setting battery level dangerous to 0?
17:11:47	amiconn	barrywardell: Nope, they still need a dangerous level defined
17:12:15	amiconn	..but they shouldn't shutdown, just keep running
17:12:24	barrywardell	ah yes, ok
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17:12:51	barrywardell	I'll have another look at the patch with all that in mind
17:12:53	amiconn	jhMikeS: The interrupt method would be pcf specific, and we measure battery voltage anyway
17:15:18	amiconn	I think 3.5V would be a suitable level for all LiPo targets (irivers, ipods, X5, H10)
17:15:33	jhMikeS	Oh, but my plan wouldn't be pcf specific. It would just hide how things are done better. Use the HW when you can imo.
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17:16:11	amiconn	For LiIon (recorder FM/V2) it would be lower, though I don't know the exact discharge curve
17:16:23	amiconn	(that's a type of archos not yet in my collection) ;)
17:16:25	jhMikeS	once your over the point where the voltage drop accelerates, that should be it.
17:17:21	PaulPosition	Absolute newb here... Did some small console applets before, that's all.. so I'm wondering what differents output functions advantages are.. I can learn by example, though, so any pointer to examples using 1) puts, 2)lists and 3)menus api calls would serve me well... anyone? (or any other hint..?)
17:17:22	jhMikeS	the curve straightens out right at about 3.55V and is steep
17:18:25	rasher	What on earth is happening with the Graphviz plugin on twiki.
17:18:44	rasher	Now the graph I made yesterday is attached to WebHome
17:18:53	jhMikeS	there's a bit of jitter in the time measurements. might de-jitter it to look at the curve more accurately but that won't really affect the apearance too much.
17:22:12	*	ender` yawns
17:23:07	jhMikeS	of coure right at the beginning V goes up to 4.2V since the history is initialized with the disk spinning.
17:23:29	*	n1s wonders if the friday-night party vapourized...
17:23:54	jhMikeS	ender`: is battery talk too dry?
17:24:19	ender`	perhaps :)
17:24:38	PaulPosition	Yeah too dry... needs some ice so it'd be a Battery talk 'on the rock'(box)
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17:31:57	ender`	wheee
17:33:25	ender`	now see, what your battery talk has lead to?
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17:39:41	amiconn	"spealing"
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18:13:04	jhMikeS	amiconn: "spealing"? ok I won't "speal" any more :P (not likely)
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18:49:00	amiconn	jhMikeS: I was referring to the type in the global notice (server window)
18:49:06	amiconn	*typo
18:49:38	jhMikeS	oh hehe
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19:18:25	Besnik	Hi, could anybody tell my if Rockbox goes well with iPod Shuffles?
19:18:35	rasher	It doesn't at all.
19:18:48	rasher	And no one has tried or done any work to make it happen.
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19:20:27	Besnik	Sad...
19:23:21	dionoea	must be a bit hard to begin such a port since you don't have an lcd ... and rockbox pretty much assumes that you have an display on the device
19:24:29	rasher	Does it have a led?
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19:29:09	Besnik	rasher, you mean the shuffle?
19:29:13	rasher	Yeah
19:29:20	Besnik	no it does not
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19:29:46	rasher	That just makes it even harder..
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19:30:18	n1s	don't think there's a gcc for the old shuffle either (don't know about the new)
19:30:53	rasher	Good point
19:30:57	dionoea	rasher: you could write a file to the flash ... but that'd be hard if you don't know how that works
19:31:27	rasher	It'd beasically be absolute hell to work with
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19:32:23	Slasheri	but it has display backlight
19:32:28	Slasheri	maybe that is easier to control
19:32:46	rasher	dionoea: ftp://nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/dsp/dsp56k-tools/ (found in ipodlinux wiki)
19:33:11	rasher	Display backlight?
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19:33:39	rasher	Of course, that's no gcc, but a compiler of sorts
19:33:42	dionoea	it doesn't have a display, why would it have a backlight ?
19:34:16	rasher	I have to say, Rockbox on a shuffle would be absolutely the coolest thing ever
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19:34:51	crwl	imagine all the interesting shuffle WPS's and stuff
19:35:15	dionoea	:)
19:35:21	rasher	Well, I meant the voiceui
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19:36:09	rasher	Looks like no one took apart a new shuffle
19:36:13	rasher	What's that all about
19:37:20	crwl	hey, a speaking WPS
19:37:25	Slasheri	oh, i thought you were talking about the sansa =)
19:37:37	Slasheri	because i saw that "flash memory" thing
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19:44:16	lowlight	rasher: the new shuffle was disassembled...let me find the link...
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19:44:43	rasher	http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2202
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19:44:55	lowlight	rasher: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Shuffle-2nd-Generation/Disassembly-Page-3-Disassembly
19:45:31	rasher	Or that
19:45:58	jjazz_	I'm thinking of purchasing the 60GB IAudio X5, and I have some questions about how it works with Rockbox. First, are there any features the stock X5 has that will be lost when I switch over to Rockbox?
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19:46:22	rasher	Video playback
19:46:34	rasher	Not sure how great it is with OF though
19:46:39	jjazz_	What's OF?
19:46:43	rasher	original firmware
19:46:48	jjazz_	Ah, ok.
19:46:48	n1s	and USBOTG
19:46:55	jjazz_	What's USBOTG?
19:47:02	rasher	usb on the go
19:47:07	n1s	guess you won't miss it then ;-)
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19:47:29	jjazz_	What does USB on the go do?
19:47:40	jjazz_	Ah, google has the answer
19:47:52	n1s	and WMA (if that's supported in x5 of)
19:47:54	rasher	It enables you to connect stuff like cameras, usually, and copy images off them
19:47:58	jjazz_	Yeah, I don't see a big need for that.
19:48:10	jjazz_	Will my linux box see the device as a usb drive?
19:48:10	vr	it is originaly supported
19:48:29	vr	jjazz_: yes
19:48:48	jjazz_	So the big loss is video playback. Does Rockbox plan to support video in the future?
19:49:32	rasher	It already supports video at some level, but without sound at the moment
19:49:45	rasher	And not quite fast enough for realtime video I think
19:50:13	jjazz_	That's not too bad. I don't actually care much about video.
19:50:39	jjazz_	Of the large-capacity MP3 players that can do Rockbox, is the X5 generally considered the one to get?
19:50:51	rasher	I'd say so
19:51:02	rasher	The support for Ipod isn't terribly good
19:51:26	rasher	well, it's good enough for many people to use it exclusively, but there are problems. Mainly battery usage
19:51:37	jjazz_	What are the problems with the battery?
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19:51:46	rasher	It gets drained pretty fast
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19:52:16	jjazz_	What's the battery life with normal use on a full charge?
19:52:31	rasher	On which player?
19:52:53	jjazz_	The X5
19:53:06	rasher	see the BatteryUsage wikipage, actually
19:53:25	rasher	eh
19:53:29	jjazz_	ok
19:53:30	rasher	that's not right
19:53:32	Besnik	rasher, in your opinion, what would be the best bet on buying another player, in terms of compatibility with Linux? (And that�s my last question for tonight :) )
19:53:51	rasher	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime
19:54:17	rasher	Besnik: All Rockbox players function equally well with Linux
19:54:37	rasher	(ie. they're just USB mass storage devices and mount just like any other disk)
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19:54:47	jjazz_	rasher: That page only seems to show iRiver ahd ipood times.
19:54:49	rasher	Unless you buy an Ipod and want to use the Apple firmware
19:55:10	Besnik	Thaaaaaaaanx!
19:55:13	rasher	jjazz_: Strange, try rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/
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19:55:24	rasher	Not sure if there are any iaudio tests there
19:55:43	rasher	Oh there are. Pay no mind to the "runtime" collumn - it's wrong
19:55:47	rasher	look at the graphs instead
19:56:56	jjazz_	Those times aren't too bad
19:57:37	rasher	Agreed
19:57:59	rasher	This is what happens when companies use documented hardware
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19:59:31	jjazz_	Final question: the manual says I can browse by folder. How deep can I nest folders?
19:59:42	jhMikeS	odd that the h300 sim didn't show an error on that
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20:00:02	jjazz_	(my music is currently stored as genre/subgenre/artist/album/songs)
20:00:23	n1s	that might cause a problem if you have very long filenames
20:00:52	rasher	jjazz_: As deep as the filesystem allows (unless you use a lot of non-ascii characters)
20:00:57	n1s	the whole path shouldn't be longer than 256 chars (iirc)
20:01:16	jjazz_	rasher: I only use lower ascii, although a couple songs might have an accent here and there.
20:01:28	jjazz_	n1s: What happens if a song is over that?
20:01:33	rasher	It won't play
20:01:39	rasher	and Rockbox might crash
20:01:43	rasher	it's a bit of a problem, really
20:01:44	jjazz_	ouch
20:01:59	jjazz_	That's such a windows-centric limitation
20:02:30	rasher	Well, it's a limitation of the filesystem (FAT), partly, and partly a problem with Rockbox
20:02:42	rasher	So some of it is not fixable, some of it is
20:02:44	amiconn	jhMikeS: RED...
20:02:56	jjazz_	Ah, ok. No wonder that FAT would result in a windows-centric limit
20:03:20	jjazz_	I'll make sure my filenames stay under the limit. Shouldn't be too hard.
20:03:23	jhMikeS	amiconn: but what's stange is only one red...H300 sim should have it too
20:03:30	jhMikeS	already fixed though
20:04:10	*	amiconn expects a cvs update conflict now :(
20:04:19	amiconn	I am working on removing gmini
20:05:39	Nimdae	anyone here with haxx.se? like staffed behind it mean?
20:06:00	jjazz_	Thanks for the help, all.
20:06:03	rasher	Nimdae: LinusN, Bagder and Zagor
20:06:13	Nimdae	orly
20:06:25	Nimdae	um...is haxx.us in relation at all with haxx.se?
20:06:33	rasher	Doubt it.
20:06:35	jhMikeS	ahh, hope this builds ok, I have to leave for the doc in 10min
20:07:10	Nimdae	ok, just curious, heh
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20:09:52	lowlight	Is "libdumb" used for anything? Why is it built?
20:10:28	rasher	It's not. It was planned to use it for tracker playing, but no one actually did it
20:10:55	rasher	While on the subject, why is databox still built?
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20:15:15	odb\|fidel_	heya, is there a manual howto create themes for rockbox ? havent found something in the project wiki
20:15:51	lowlight	should remove libdumb from the makefile then
20:15:56	n1s	a theme is just a .cfg file, there's a reference (a bit outdated) for that
20:16:46	lowlight	lookup CustomWPS in the wiki
20:17:10	rasher	lowlight: and databox?
20:17:31	odb\|fidel_	lowlight: n1s thx
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20:20:00	lowlight	rasher: I don't even know what databox is
20:20:48	PaulPosition	Someone mentioned 'tracker playing'... as in old school demo songs ?? lol, that would have been neat. :o
20:20:53	PaulPosition	but not to be..
20:21:31	rasher	lowlight: It's a search-file creator for the old tagdb
20:21:56	rasher	it created files that could be run with "searchengine" (removed plugin) and produce playlists
20:22:11	rasher	Since searchengine is no longer included, I don't see what good databox does
20:22:29	rasher	(although it was pretty darn neat - I'd love to see something similar for tagcache)
20:24:18	amiconn	Afaik you can do all that with tagcache ^h^h^h^h^h database
20:25:02	rasher	I just like the interface of databox
20:25:10	rasher	And the fact that you could do it on the target
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20:25:33	amiconn	Nothing stops you from editing tagnavi.config with texteditor.rock
20:26:10	rasher	This is true
20:26:55	rasher	My first point still stands though, but of course that's subjective
20:27:31	*	amiconn didn't like the databox interface
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20:29:33	Paul_the_Nerd	A simple solution would be to have the final entry in TagCache be "Custom" and allow for manual typing of any custom search in the TagCache format, without running the text editor, for a simple one-off search/sort
20:30:33	rasher	Or it could be a field you could put in tagnavi.config
20:30:55	rasher	Is the format of tagnavi.confgi documented anywhere?
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20:33:34	lowlight	it's described in the TagCache entry on the wiki
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20:40:32	rasher	"Current code tries to figure out the tracknumber by finding the first two digits from the end of the filename"
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20:40:35	rasher	What the..
20:40:42	rasher	I have never ever seen files named like that
20:40:45	tobmaster	rockbox
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20:41:00	Kasperle	damn right :D
20:41:42	n1s	is the h300 sim supposed to segfault when loading icatcher wps on a 64bit linux?
20:41:57	rasher	I don't think anything is guaranteed on 64bit
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20:42:05	rasher	But you're welcome to fix
20:42:23	n1s	: -)
20:42:39	linuxstb_	rasher: Bootlegs are commonly named like that - e.g. bandname20060910d1t01.flac
20:43:06	rasher	I see.
20:43:25	amiconn	I'd say that darn guessing code should be removed
20:43:28	rasher	Oh well, I don't think tagcache should be guessing at al
20:43:37	rasher	Hah
20:43:43	linuxstb_	We've had that discussion before... I agree as well.
20:43:56	*	amiconn gets a whole bunch of tracks listed as having track number 66, which is wrong
20:44:20	amiconn	They have no track number, on purpose
20:44:41	rasher	I can imagine I'll have a whole bunch of 03 04 05 06 (for 200?)
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20:45:18	rasher	Although I don't really use tagcache right now
20:45:23	amiconn	n1s: I kno wthat libmad (i.e. mpa.codec) crashes on 64bit. libmad isn't 64bit clean
20:45:40	amigan	What's the main obstacle to rockboy running on x5?
20:45:46	amiconn	I tried to fix that, but didn't succeed so far
20:45:58	n1s	amiconn: it was working fine playing vorbis but when loading icatcher theme bang
20:46:01	rasher	amigan: Display issues
20:46:06	amigan	rasher, ah
20:46:11	linuxstb_	amigan: Two things probably need to be done - button mappings (relatively easy) and scaling the display for the X5's LCD....
20:46:19	amiconn	Someone needs to write a downscaling routine for colour lcds
20:46:51	rasher	Isn't the problem that rockboy writes directly to the framebuffer?
20:47:01	rasher	So needs to be adjusted for every colourdisplay
20:47:07	rasher	s/colour//
20:47:33	PaulPosition	Is there (or rather : what is) the limit on a string's lenght under rockbox? Say for reading from file and tokenizing using strtok_r..?
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20:47:56	PaulPosition	Or better, where/what would I search not to bother you guys anymore with silly, stupid, way-too-newb questions like that?
20:47:58	amigan	PaulPosition, until you run out of memory? =]
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20:48:40	rasher	PaulPosition: you could look up strtok_r in the sources and see what kind of buffers it uses and how
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20:49:38	PaulPosition	heh.. makes sense.. Any tip on full-text searching through those sources?
20:51:45	PaulPosition	thanks anyway. It must be an eye sore to see such clueless posts, but one day, one day, I'll be a master.. ..or maybe I'll be dead before, oh well.
20:51:50	PaulPosition	ok.. off with the spam. sry.
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20:54:17	n1s	amiconn http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5771 fixed my problem, do you think it could be committed
20:57:07	Kitt0s	what is Base WAD?
20:57:27	n1s	a whole game wad like doom.wad
20:57:34	rasher	Kitt0s: It should be explained on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
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20:58:26	rasher	or http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1120008.1.4
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21:01:51	Darkangel14615	hey I was just wondering if anyone knows where I can get a look at some Rockbox themes for a 3rd Gen iPod
21:02:06	scorche	the same place you look at all the other themes
21:02:19	Darkangel14615	where's that? I can't find it -_-
21:02:27	Darkangel14615	I'm a dumbass, I know
21:02:30	rasher	WpsGallery
21:02:41	rasher	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
21:02:55	Darkangel14615	ok thank you very much ^^
21:03:31	rasher	Same as 4G gray and Iriver H120
21:05:40	amigan	What does the pre_button do in a button_mapping struct?
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21:10:04	lowlight	Darkangel14615: themes also at www.rockbox-themes.org
21:11:31	rasher	Hm. That really should more or less replace the wpsgalleries
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21:14:13	preglow	indeed
21:14:18	preglow	but is it flexible enough yet?
21:14:48	n1s	preglow, you are on 64 bit right?
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21:15:30	rasher	preglow: No idea. I really don't touch the wps
21:15:40	preglow	n1s: sure am
21:16:15	n1s	do you think http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5771 could be committed as it fixes the sim crash on bitmap load on 64 bit linux?
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21:17:00	preglow	n1s: how do i test it? what uses bmp.c? heh
21:17:14	n1s	try loading icatcher without it
21:17:18	Darkangel14615	Oh, I was also wondering how far along you guys are to a working release of RockBox on the Sansa e200 series, I can't stand the standard firmware
21:17:55	preglow	n1s: ok, i'll test and adapt the patch as soon as i've stuffed some stuff in the oven
21:18:03	n1s	thx
21:18:47	n1s	appears to build fine for h300 but I can't test it on target 'cause I left it at a friends place :-(
21:19:17	preglow	i'm pretty sure it won't break anything, it just changes a lot that doesn't need changing
21:19:20	preglow	like short -> int16_t
21:20:30	amiconn	I think it should be committed as-is, with the int16_t
21:20:34	rasher	Maybe in some bizarro world short != int16_t
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21:20:51	amiconn	Only question is whether freqmod is already in the credits (no full name given in flyspray)
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21:23:43	rasher	I'm pretty sure he's Frederik Vestre
21:24:19	rasher	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5214 and http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/docs/CREDITS v1.146
21:27:19	preglow	amiconn: he is
21:27:43	preglow	in that case, just commit it
21:27:47	preglow	i can't imagine how that patch could fail
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21:32:39	rasher	The PPs can run as low as 32KHz?
21:33:45	amiconn	ehum....
21:33:55	*	amiconn caused a row worth of red builds :(
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21:35:23	steve132	Out of curiosity, is there any documentation on the mp3 data playback functions in the plugin api? How do they work? can they be optimized?
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21:37:48	amiconn	I don't understand what's up with the "Please select a supported target platform!" error :(
21:37:58	amiconn	Bagder ??
21:38:27	preglow	lousy score considering the amount of red :P
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21:40:31	amiconn	aaaaarrrrrrghhhh!!!!!
21:40:41	ze	does anybody know enough about the ipod videos to tell if the lack of UI on the tv-out is a hard limitation or just apple not having programmed it in their fw?
21:40:46	amiconn	configure checks where the firmware directory is by checking for crt0.S !!!!
21:40:59	n1s	nice
21:41:37	rasher	Wow
21:41:46	rasher	That's.. strange
21:42:06	Nimdae	at least it's not my fault this time
21:43:15	amigan	How come configure doesn't use sdl-config on FreeBSD to find the SDL stuff?
21:43:28	amigan	It does it on linux.
21:45:38	rasher	Lack of testing probably
21:45:43	Kasperle	ze: there are docks with their own ui on the tv screen, afaik
21:45:58	rasher	amigan: That is, whoever wrote it didn't have a FreeBSD box to test it on
21:46:13	ze	Kasperle: yeah, we got one, we're gonna take it back.. its sad and limited and implimented in the dock apparently
21:46:14	amigan	I see
21:46:49	ze	Kasperle: it'll browse music, but can't make playlists, and can't browse photos or video (you have to get up and browse on the ipod, and actually switch the dock into video mode first)
21:47:02	Kasperle	:/
21:47:21	rasher	Same deal with the crosscompiling as well (I happen to know because that was me)
21:47:29	amigan	Well I have a patch to configure here to make it work (plus it enables -fPIC on FreeBSD/amd64)
21:48:06	amigan	Should I just put it up on flyspray or is someone here able to take care of it?
21:48:33	rasher	Someone really should rip out all the bits and pieces of old sim (w32/linux) related code
21:49:00	rasher	amigan: I think markun builds on freebsd, maybe he could have a look
21:49:16	amigan	Yeah. I also had to fuck around with the #include lines in the sdl sim code (doing #include "SDL.h" instead of #include <SDL.h>...I discussed this here a week or so ago)
21:49:18	rasher	Otherwise, toss it in the tracker
21:49:34	amigan	(as in, I had to change it to use <> instead of "")
21:49:41	rasher	Interesting
21:49:57	amigan	Yeah, I thought the same thing...but it works this way, so I dunno
21:50:10	amigan	In my own code I always do <> for system includes anyway
21:50:58	Kasperle	amigan: #include <SDL/SDL.h> doesn't work?
21:51:16	amigan	Kasperle, #include <SDL.h> works, I haven't tried SDL/SDL.h
21:51:25	amigan	sdl-config does -I/usr/local/include/SDL anyway
21:51:29	Kasperle	oi. i see
21:51:55	Kasperle	oh. i misread your first sentence that mentioned the include lines
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21:52:11	amigan	Kasperle, that sentence was a bit f'd up anyway when I wrote it =]
21:52:11	Kasperle	thought you switched it around the other way, which sounded odd
21:53:17	preglow	amiconn: why not just check for the target dir?
21:53:21	preglow	amiconn: that'll always be there now
21:54:13	rasher	You could also use the dirname trick I use in the voice scripts
21:54:22	rasher	`dirname $0`
21:54:44	rasher	that should be tools/ always, no?
21:54:55	rasher	or am I misunderstanding
21:55:25	amiconn	OK, table back to normal. Sorry for the rough ride.
21:56:36	preglow	i demand monetary compensation for this!
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21:56:46	preglow	jhMikeS: did you cook up a patch for me?
21:56:49	rasher	A full refund will be issued.
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21:58:18	salival	Hi, Amicon. If you have some time would you take a look at this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7257.0
21:59:34	amiconn	That one is hard to answer non-interactively
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22:00:08	amiconn	You basically have 2 options.
22:00:11	amiconn	(1) roll back the driver change and go with your old waitstate values.
22:00:44	amiconn	(2) Find necessary waitstate values for the new driver by experimentation
22:01:24	amiconn	Either way, lcd updates will be incredibly slow (same as before) on your unit
22:01:31	amiconn	I wonder what's wrong with it...
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22:01:36	salival	so basically it's still possible to solve by adjusting the waidstates?
22:01:47	salival	*waitstates
22:02:01	preglow	no one else has this problem?
22:02:02	amiconn	It might be
22:02:26	amiconn	I really don't know as obviously your ldc controller doesn't behave as specified
22:02:49	salival	there are others with this problem
22:03:17	salival	as the original thread on misticriveron this was started by someone else
22:03:22	amiconn	The transfer timings in rockbox are a little above specs, but with your values, you are way slower than required by the specs
22:03:40	salival	I figured that out
22:03:41	*	amiconn doesn't follow the forums
22:04:00	amiconn	It's too much jabber to wade through imho
22:04:04	salival	lol
22:04:19	salival	that's why I was adviced to find you on irc
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22:05:16	preglow	haha
22:05:18	salival	I'll try and adjust the waitstates. doesn't work I'll have to find out how to roll back these changes
22:05:22	preglow	not much different from the mailing list
22:05:31	amiconn	For being in specs, it is sufficient to use 0, 1 and 7 waitstates (idle/normal/max)
22:05:38	amiconn	CVS uses 0, 0 and 5
22:05:38	preglow	i go through the forums that interest me, mainly
22:06:52	salival	When the player does nothing the screen is 'clean', so one might think that 0 for idle should be sufficient.
22:06:56	amiconn	However, your values already equal 1, 2 and 12 (!) waitstates...
22:07:06	salival	it's mainly when the player has to do something
22:07:07	amiconn	Idle is only used in radio mode
22:07:13	PaulPosition	what kind of chunk of a diskdrive would vmware +image +whatever's needed use up? 3gb? more? (I'm going low on drive space, don't want to download for 2 days and then get a 'transfer aborted'.. −− .. Was toying with the idea of using knoppix live-cd but i'd be too much config twiddling at each reboot)..?
22:07:13	salival	ok
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22:07:42	amiconn	Otherwise normal is used, unless this isn't sufficient to keep up with audio decoding, then it temporarily switches to max
22:07:53	salival	I'll try and figure out the new values then, thanks for your time
22:08:12	amiconn	You can try the following without playback:
22:08:41	amiconn	Switch off voice. Reboot, don't play music
22:09:01	amiconn	Now the h300 runs at CPUFREQ_NORMAL
22:09:34	amiconn	Enter and exit dir, scroll lists etc. If this already causes glitches, you need to increase waitstates for CPUFREQ_NORMAL
22:09:48	salival	that's the case
22:10:18	amigan	Is it at all possible to get the last button press from within code? I'm trying to implement a power button backlight toggle in the WPS like the x5 OF has.
22:10:24	amiconn	Now go to info->debug, press Navi once (that switches to idle, i.e. 11MHz) and leave with Left
22:10:59	amiconn	Erm, Info->Debug->CPU frequency of course
22:11:13	amigan	I know in drivers/button.c you have last_button but this apparently isn't exported.
22:11:39	amiconn	Do the same actions as before. If there are glitches now, change the waitstates for default:
22:12:15	amiconn	Enter Info->Debug->CPU frequency again, and switch to 124MHz by pressing Up once. Leave, and do the tests a third time
22:12:18	salival	I currently have an older version on my player, so i will have to put a newer build on it, which I am about to do now :)
22:12:28	amiconn	Change waitstates for CPUFREQ_MAX if it glitches
22:12:54	amiconn	The possible maximum is 15 waitstates
22:13:37	amiconn	YOu could either start from cvs, or from your old values. Lemme calculate some estimations
22:13:38	salival	whith this info it's at least easier to find the best waitstates for my player. I will try this
22:13:42	salival	ok
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22:20:52	amiconn	salival: I'd try it with 0, 4 and 15 waitstates. This sets the cycle time to nearly twice the necessary (according to the datasheet) value
22:22:00	amiconn	CSCR1 values would be 0x00000180 (default), 0x00001180 (normal) and 0x00003d80 (max)
22:23:21	salival	.
22:23:49	amiconn	I wonder what's up with your lcd though
22:24:37	salival	I'll try those suggestions
22:24:50	amiconn	...and whether others do need the same extreme measures. It should be enough for most people to rise the waitstates to match the specs
22:25:07	salival	I wouldn't know either and I know that mine is a severe case
22:25:56	salival	If those work I'll try if I can lower them
22:26:34	amiconn	I guess the 'normal' value is actually your problem now. The cycle time is lower than for 'max'
22:27:15	amiconn	(but still longer than the specs say)
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22:30:16	salival	in the normal state the problem is almost gone, only some glitches here ant there
22:30:22	salival	*and
22:31:48	salival	and at 124Mhz some minor glitches
22:32:22	amiconn	At 124MHz the # of waitstates is already the maximum (15) with the suggested values
22:32:47	amiconn	At 45MHz you could try 5
22:33:07	amiconn	11MHz shouldn't have any problems even with 0 waitstates
22:33:25	salival	indeed
22:33:55	amiconn	5 waitstates would be 0x00001580
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22:34:32	amiconn	The waitstates are bit 10..13 of that value. Any other bits must stay as they're set
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22:35:19	amiconn	I.e. CSCR1 = 0x00000180 + 0x00000400 * no_of_waitstates
22:35:30	amiconn	with 0 <= no_of_waitstates <= 15
22:36:52	salival	ah, ok
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22:37:48	amiconn	Btw, I would like to know what panel type your H300 has. Is it the old type where colours change significantly when looking from left or right, but remain relatively stable when looking from above or below the centre,
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22:38:15	amiconn	or is it the newer type where the axis of rapid colur change is vertical?
22:38:26	salival	It's probably an older type
22:39:20	amiconn	It might be possible that iriver used a slightly different lcd controller in older (first series?) H300s
22:39:50	salival	that was what I thought
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22:40:42	salival	during normal playback I have a'clean' screen now, only when the song loads it has some (minor) glitches
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22:55:25	amiconn	Hmm. The HD66789 (not HD66789R) datasheet states 250ns cycle time instead of 150ns for the 'R'
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23:00:59	salival	so it's a slower controller...
23:01:49	salival	...possibly
23:04:45	salival	well, atleast I can use newer builds now without to many glitches. Until a better solution arises I'll live with it. Amiconn, thanks for your time and effort.
23:04:59	salival	I'm off now, bye
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23:27:50	jhMikeS	amiconn: I found at least one plugin that inits iram without stopping audio (mp3_encoder). Could be more.
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23:30:09	jhMikeS	We should just export the addresses in the header and have a single call that takes care of it when the plugin is ready to do so if it wants to delay init.
23:30:18	webguest49	real quick question about WPS
23:30:46	webguest49	when you are writing a WPS and you give the coordinates for a text or an image, is the coordinates for the center of the image or is it the bottom left corner
23:31:16	*	jhMikeS thought it was the top left
23:31:39	jhMikeS	guess just try 0,0 and see when the image ends up
23:31:58	webguest49	ok thanks
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23:33:54	jhMikeS	build table looks awful red of late
23:34:38	rasher	some red here and there isn't a terrible problem as long as it's fixed again
23:35:10	jhMikeS	true
23:37:14	jhMikeS	I remember seeing solid green for awhile though...I think even after the feature freeze lift but now there's those red stripes from the flash region.
23:37:40	hcs	red stripe! hooray builds!
23:37:56	*	jhMikeS thinks it's more of a salmon color though :P
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23:43:24	midgey34	barrywardell: ping
23:44:13	barrywardell	hi midgey34
23:44:19	midgey34	hello
23:44:40	midgey34	have you been able to build the ondio or player sim on mac os x?
23:45:08	barrywardell	i have never tried
23:45:17	barrywardell	i'll try it now if you want?
23:45:25	midgey34	good luck, it fails for me
23:46:06	barrywardell	what's the error?
23:46:24	barrywardell	i think i remember being able to build the player sim long ago
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23:46:44	midgey34	after building rockboxui, you get a bunch of warnings about mulitple definitions and then it crashes on libcodec.a
23:47:16	midgey34	AR+RANLIB libcodec.a
23:47:16	midgey34	make[2]: *** [/users/tjross/code/rockbox-local/builds/ondio-sim/libcodec.a] Error 1
23:47:21	barrywardell	i've often got warnings about multiple definitions with all sims
23:47:47	goffa	anyone know of a good guide on patching?
23:47:47	midgey34	as have I, but normally you can still build
23:47:55	barrywardell	it seems to be that rockbox's function definitions clash with some from os x
23:47:56	goffa	i attempted to do this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2653
23:48:03	goffa	i used insert.patch
23:48:04	rasher	goffa: WorkingWithPatches wikipage might do it
23:48:12	goffa	ok
23:48:35	midgey34	barrywardell: exiting rockboxui doesnt seem to work all that smoothly either
23:50:56	barrywardell	yes, i experience that too
23:50:56	barrywardell	it's very difficult
23:50:56	barrywardell	i'd love to find a solution but don't know all that much about the simulator
23:51:19	midgey34	nor do i
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23:57:32	goffa	ok.. running into a snag (probably because i'm doing something wrong).. when i apply the patch file .. its asking me which file to patch... i've been pasting in the location of the files that need to be patched
23:57:41	goffa	but now i'm at wps/FILES
23:58:03	goffa	is there a way to get it to apply the patch to all files in a dir? or am i doing something wrong?
23:58:13	rasher	you probably have either no or the wrong -p argument
23:58:13	n1s	FILES is a file
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23:58:31	rasher	-p0 is a good guess

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