| 00:00:06 | goffa | we might be getting somewhere :) |
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| 00:01:19 | goffa | hmm.. maybe the patch is hosed.. |
| 00:01:54 | rasher | well, if you already applied some of it, youll get errors |
| 00:02:10 | goffa | nah.. i nuked the dir and re extracted the bz2 |
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| 00:05:26 | barrywardell | midgey34: hmm. just tried a build there |
| 00:05:55 | barrywardell | it looks like it could be similar to a problem i encountered before |
| 00:06:18 | barrywardell | where ld on osx doesn't like making an empty file |
| 00:06:57 | midgey34 | hmm |
| 00:07:47 | barrywardell | it happend before when building bitmaps |
| 00:08:09 | barrywardell | when it tried to build bitmap dirs with no bitmaps in them it gave an error |
| 00:08:25 | barrywardell | that's why there are osx.dummy.bmp files in some of the bitmap dirs now |
| 00:08:56 | midgey34 | yah, i understood that |
| 00:09:47 | barrywardell | i'm not sure if it's the same problem here, but it's a possibliity |
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| 00:25:12 | Nimdae | what's a device that the devs are short on right now that would help improve development for said device? |
| 00:25:57 | goffa | Nimdae: gigabeat |
| 00:26:03 | goffa | see #gigabeat for details |
| 00:26:09 | goffa | if anyone is in there |
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| 00:32:41 | Nimdae | just curious because i may be getting a new job with significant pay increase |
| 00:32:46 | Nimdae | i may be feeling generous ;) |
| 00:32:55 | Nimdae | gigabeat S right? |
| 00:33:54 | Nimdae | oh yeah, this is the device that the zune basically is |
| 00:35:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Except the Zune has a bit more hardware. |
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| 00:37:14 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 00:37:20 | Nimdae | the wifi, etc |
| 00:37:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yep |
| 00:38:06 | Nimdae | i read somewhere that toshiba is actually building the zune for microsoft |
| 00:39:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah |
| 00:39:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | So I've heard |
| 00:40:32 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders why this is supposed to be a (specific) Zune accessory: http://www.zune.net/en-us/accessories/monster/musicshare.htm# |
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| 00:43:07 | goffa | if you could get audio on the gigabeat F going you'd be my hero :) |
| 00:43:37 | locutox | it's a zune accessory because it huge and ugly as fuck |
| 00:43:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Hahaha, advertising is wonderful |
| 00:44:07 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: indeed |
| 00:44:31 | goffa | it's $20 because its made by monster too :) |
| 00:44:32 | Genre9mp3 | noticed the "Designed for Zune" logo? |
| 00:44:34 | Genre9mp3 | pffft |
| 00:45:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, a splitter + two in-line volume adjusters might run $20 if you got them ad radio shack anyway |
| 00:45:47 | locutox | i made a volume splitter in a mint can which ran off 9v :D |
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| 00:46:45 | Nimdae | it's made for zune because that label will make it sell |
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| 00:47:00 | Nimdae | cd #gigabeat |
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| 00:47:03 | Nimdae | wtf am i thinking |
| 00:47:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 00:47:13 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
| 00:47:48 | Nimdae | i'm troubleshooting hard drive errors on a server at the moment, guess i have linux commands on the mind |
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| 00:50:01 | barrywardell | amiconn: i updated that power management patch so that it doesn't shutdown on NiMH/Alkaline batteries. It adds an empty function to flash/bootbox/main.c though. does that matter? |
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| 01:02:10 | Nimdae | is there a rockbox related ipod channel too? |
| 01:02:13 | * | Nimdae /lists |
| 01:02:44 | Nimdae | ok, doing /list on irssi == bad |
| 01:04:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is really the only official Rockbox channel |
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| 01:13:11 | TerrorByte | Hi guys. |
| 01:13:58 | TerrorByte | FINE, ignore me! |
| 01:14:00 | TerrorByte | :P |
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| 01:15:39 | barrywardell | lostlogic: i noticed you were working on the power management patch a few months ago. any reason why you didn't commit it? |
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| 01:42:01 | lostlogic | barrywardell: Probalby just that I was too busy to look at it properly |
| 01:43:25 | preglow | roflol |
| 01:43:42 | lostlogic | preglow: snot that funny |
| 01:43:46 | lostlogic | or maybe it is at 1am |
| 01:44:06 | preglow | haha |
| 01:44:33 | preglow | more like 2 |
| 01:44:50 | lostlogic | you're in +1? ok. |
| 01:44:54 | preglow | yups |
| 01:45:13 | preglow | and it's pretty darned cold here, i'll have you know |
| 01:45:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's all *hot* here. |
| 01:45:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's 30C right now. =/ |
| 01:45:47 | lostlogic | it's fscking freezing and raining here −− I came back to the office because I wanted to warm up before bicycling my 4 miles home in the coldass rain |
| 01:45:48 | barrywardell | i think it looks quite good to commit to me |
| 01:46:01 | lostlogic | barrywardell: you have commit access now, right? go for it. |
| 01:46:22 | barrywardell | yeah, i was just wondering if there had been a reason you didn't commit it |
| 01:46:29 | preglow | it's just around 0 centigrade here |
| 01:46:31 | lostlogic | :) |
| 01:46:37 | preglow | going to get worse, but feels bad enough |
| 01:46:39 | barrywardell | so i'll go ahead and commit it now |
| 01:46:40 | lostlogic | we're ~5C and thunderstorm |
| 01:46:55 | preglow | but what a nice excuse to warm up with some gammel dansk |
| 01:47:02 | * | Paul_the_Nerd envies all you people that have an actual "winter" |
| 01:47:11 | lostlogic | hehe, I'm properly beer'd up to ride home :) |
| 01:47:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't care if *you* don't like it. |
| 01:47:25 | preglow | Paul_the_Nerd: oh, i like it |
| 01:47:35 | * | lostlogic too |
| 01:47:54 | preglow | i like that about this place, get both a nice winter and a good summer, if you're lucky |
| 01:48:30 | preglow | summer's not too long, but you do get a couple of months of more than hot enough weather if you're lucky |
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| 01:50:58 | preglow | but i think i'll just go with the excuse and warm up with an ipa |
| 01:52:36 | Nimdae | you people and your internation standards temperature measurement |
| 01:54:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: I'm in Texas. It's 85F now, it was over 90 earlier today, I just converted for everyone's convenience. |
| 01:55:45 | preglow | mmmmm, nice ipa |
| 01:56:32 | Nimdae | 63 here |
| 01:56:34 | Nimdae | and i'm in texas |
| 01:56:47 | preglow | well, texas is big enough for some variation, heh |
| 01:56:53 | Nimdae | well |
| 01:56:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | Texas is big enough for a *lot* of variation. :) |
| 01:57:08 | Nimdae | http://www.nimdae.com/pics/cold2.jpg |
| 01:57:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: It *almost* pulled it off for one day later |
| 01:57:52 | Nimdae | heh |
| 01:58:15 | Nimdae | that would have been even better |
| 01:58:16 | * | BHSPitLappy is a Texan. |
| 01:59:33 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_the_Nerd, live here, or just visiting? |
| 01:59:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, spent about half my life on and off in Texas. |
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| 02:00:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Live in Austin for the time being. |
| 02:00:01 | BHSPitLappy | ah. |
| 02:00:04 | BHSPitLappy | never knew. |
| 02:00:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, I'm not sure if you'd consider me a Texan. ;) I know plenty of folk who wouldn't. |
| 02:03:32 | Nimdae | i was born and raised in texas ;) |
| 02:03:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was born in Louisiana, and raised all over. :) |
| 02:04:11 | Nimdae | heh |
| 02:06:22 | preglow | interesting how the word 'folk' is used exactly as in norwegian |
| 02:06:31 | preglow | but then i do tend to find stuff like that interesting... |
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| 02:06:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hahaha. |
| 02:08:55 | BHSPitLappy | I would have said folks |
| 02:09:08 | BHSPitLappy | any mac users here? |
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| 02:09:27 | preglow | isn't folk and folks the same? both are plural in a sense |
| 02:09:43 | preglow | i'll just stop speaking semantic nonsense |
| 02:10:10 | BHSPitLappy | I would use "folk" as plural if it were paired with another word to describe a type of people |
| 02:10:14 | preglow | BHSPitLappy: i think linuxstb uses macs |
| 02:10:23 | BHSPitLappy | like "carnival folk" or "kin folk" |
| 02:10:31 | Nimdae | or mac folk ;) |
| 02:10:34 | preglow | haha |
| 02:10:36 | BHSPitLappy | indeed |
| 02:10:46 | BHSPitLappy | but not "look at those folk over there"... |
| 02:10:47 | preglow | still amuses me how it's used exactly the same in all contexts i can think of |
| 02:11:22 | BHSPitLappy | then where's linuxstb_ ... |
| 02:11:28 | * | BHSPitLappy taps foot impatiently |
| 02:11:29 | BHSPitLappy | ;) |
| 02:12:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | preglow: To me, "folk" means one collection of people, and "folks" means multiple, like the difference between people and peoples, but I'm quirky like that. |
| 02:12:43 | BHSPitLappy | makes sense |
| 02:12:51 | Nimdae | i never say "peoples" in a serious sense |
| 02:12:57 | Nimdae | only in a mocking manner |
| 02:13:02 | BHSPitLappy | I can't think of a singular context of folk |
| 02:13:11 | preglow | because there isn't one, heh |
| 02:13:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nimdae: I never say it, but it's come up a few times in writing. |
| 02:13:24 | preglow | which is why i told myself to stop speaking gibberish |
| 02:13:43 | preglow | 'folk' just means 'people' in norwegian, so i say it all the time |
| 02:13:48 | BHSPitLappy | screw it, I'll just join ##apple |
| 02:13:49 | Nimdae | like "how's my peoples?" |
| 02:15:59 | locutox | fuck |
| 02:16:02 | Nimdae | someone should port the ipl serial stuff to rockbox >.> |
| 02:16:12 | Nimdae | i would if i knew how, heh |
| 02:16:14 | BHSPitLappy | -what- iPL serial stuff |
| 02:16:14 | locutox | does anyone know a program that'll remove the newlines that people add to format text to 80 columns? |
| 02:16:23 | locutox | but not everything else |
| 02:16:24 | BHSPitLappy | locutox, watch your language. |
| 02:16:31 | locutox | ok |
| 02:16:39 | Nimdae | sed? |
| 02:17:14 | Nimdae | BHSPitLappy: apparently ipl figured out how to get the serial port working and use the apple accessory protocol |
| 02:17:58 | BHSPitLappy | they can send raw stuff, on 1G-3G models |
| 02:18:01 | locutox | sed eh |
| 02:18:14 | BHSPitLappy | and are those even serious rockbox targets |
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| 02:18:48 | Nimdae | i was reading stuff on the 4g and 5g as well |
| 02:18:52 | preglow | locutox: i think you'll need indent or something |
| 02:18:54 | Nimdae | in their forum |
| 02:19:03 | preglow | locutox: it requires a tool that can parse the language in question |
| 02:19:07 | locutox | i want the reverse of line wrapping |
| 02:19:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: We have a working 3G port, at least. |
| 02:19:18 | uski | hi guys; well I'm having a random C problem, i know it's offtopic but maybe someone here will be able to help me; it's related with shared libraries in C so if anyone thinks he can help please PM me... |
| 02:19:25 | preglow | locutox: i know, and like i said, unless you're talking about .txt, you need a tool that knows the language |
| 02:19:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: Nobody with a 1g/2g has done any work though, I think |
| 02:19:33 | preglow | uski: ask away |
| 02:19:39 | preglow | oh, pm... |
| 02:19:50 | uski | well i just don't want to be offtopic here :) |
| 02:20:19 | Nimdae | locutox: i'm betting sed will do what you want |
| 02:20:39 | locutox | sed looks like its for wrapping text |
| 02:20:44 | locutox | but i will play with it |
| 02:20:53 | Nimdae | actually, sed is for parsing text, really |
| 02:21:00 | Nimdae | you can do all kinds of things with it |
| 02:21:07 | Nimdae | i see it mostly used for find/replace tasks |
| 02:22:52 | locutox | ahh |
| 02:24:08 | Nimdae | i wish our rhn server would stop emailing me :( |
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| 02:31:12 | BHSPitLappy | hehe |
| 02:31:12 | BHSPitLappy | http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/supercoder.jpg |
| 02:32:24 | Nimdae | i need one of those |
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| 02:41:27 | midgey34 | barrywardell: i got the ondio sim to build |
| 02:41:40 | barrywardell | great. what was the problem? |
| 02:41:56 | midgey34 | well i just disabled the building of the codecs |
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| 02:43:47 | midgey34 | i think it has something to do with ld and its dislike for creating empty files |
| 02:44:14 | midgey34 | since ondio is HWCODEC it wont build any codecs so libcodec.a is empty |
| 02:46:18 | barrywardell | i see |
| 02:46:39 | barrywardell | do you have a patch? |
| 02:46:50 | midgey34 | no, it was simply a hack to see if it would build |
| 02:47:20 | midgey34 | my way just skips building codecs (obviously a bad thing for swcodec) |
| 02:47:42 | barrywardell | ah, ok. surely there must be a method similar to what's done with the bitmaps |
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| 03:54:21 | hacksaw | hi all |
| 03:55:04 | hacksaw | any iaudio x5 users here ? |
| 03:57:16 | goffa | hacksaw: me |
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| 03:59:43 | hacksaw | cool, im in the process of taking mine apart, its a x5l 30gb |
| 03:59:51 | goffa | cool.. same as mine |
| 03:59:59 | hacksaw | i'm wondering if any more pics of the internals are needed |
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| 04:00:13 | goffa | well... i'm not a dev |
| 04:00:22 | goffa | but i can't imagine any would hurt |
| 04:00:45 | hacksaw | true |
| 04:02:58 | goffa | can't wait until they get the power sorted out |
| 04:03:39 | hacksaw | better effeciency ? |
| 04:03:46 | goffa | yeah |
| 04:03:57 | goffa | its not as efficent as default firmware yet |
| 04:04:48 | hacksaw | do you charge your unit off charger or USB ? |
| 04:04:58 | goffa | charger |
| 04:05:37 | goffa | i listen to tunes all night.. so i just plug it in next to my bed overnight... and listen to it or my h140 |
| 04:06:10 | jhMikeS | If anyone has any x5 battery benchmarks available post them. Also need some for x5 (not L). I've yet to do one myself on the 60GB. |
| 04:06:26 | goffa | mine is the L |
| 04:06:31 | goffa | or i would give you some |
| 04:06:38 | goffa | well i'd have to do them first |
| 04:06:46 | jhMikeS | I have one that I plotted. Would like to see how much variation exists |
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| 04:07:16 | goffa | would be interesting to see |
| 04:07:41 | jhMikeS | I can't do an L myself so anything would be helpful. |
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| 04:24:21 | hacksaw | anyone take their x5 apart ? |
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| 04:28:46 | goffa | i didn't touch mine |
| 04:29:29 | hacksaw | i think i'v toasted my charge circuit |
| 04:29:30 | goffa | if i do it'll be to add a larger hard drive |
| 04:29:48 | goffa | but i doubt i'll do that |
| 04:29:50 | hacksaw | haha yeah 30gb not enough |
| 04:30:10 | goffa | well... i've got a 30 and 2 40 gb players... :P |
| 04:30:35 | goffa | actually 2 30's if you count my karma.. but the wheel is broken so i don't use it anymore |
| 04:31:38 | hacksaw | i removed the hdd just then....wouldn't be to hard to replace it |
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| 04:31:50 | goffa | cool |
| 04:32:03 | goffa | yeah... doubt i will any time soon |
| 04:32:11 | goffa | maybe in a year or 2 when things get dirt cheap |
| 04:33:31 | goffa | and if i do oggs 110gb should be enough for any trip :) |
| 04:34:16 | goffa | 2 batteries last longer than one... too that's what i found out on my vacation this summer |
| 04:35:37 | hacksaw | oggs are the way to go |
| 04:36:06 | goffa | yeah... flacs are just too big for a portable |
| 04:36:25 | goffa | you don't get the variety |
| 04:36:59 | goffa | mpc support was huge for me.. that's why i switched over to rockbox |
| 04:37:10 | hacksaw | great if u want the cd quality |
| 04:37:25 | goffa | my collection is about 40% mpc, 40% flac, 20 % other |
| 04:37:43 | goffa | flacs get converted to ogg for the player though |
| 04:38:37 | hacksaw | i'm starting to do that to |
| 04:39:11 | goffa | its more time consuming.. but i like to have flac in case some other compression comes out that takes the world over :) |
| 04:39:41 | goffa | and its not bad if you add an album here and there |
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| 04:43:41 | hacksaw | its looks like the x5l has two batteries instead of 1 big one |
| 04:46:38 | Soap | 2x the normal X5 battery? |
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| 04:48:39 | hacksaw | Soap: not exactly different sizes |
| 04:48:56 | jhMikeS | The x5 battery is 950mAh and the x5l battery is 2250mAh. Couldn't just be two x5 batteries. |
| 04:51:09 | hacksaw | is the x5 thinner than the x5l ? |
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| 04:51:23 | goffa | i believe it is |
| 04:51:37 | jhMikeS | yes except the 60gig with is the same size as the x5l (2-platter drive) |
| 04:51:38 | Soap | wouldn't running two batteries take a circuit to keep battery 1 from trying to charge battery 2 (or vise versa)? Even batteries picked for matched discharge cycles at birth tend to drift apart with age. |
| 04:52:18 | jhMikeS | youd need a couple diodes at the least |
| 04:54:09 | Soap | True, a diode solution would work for the discharge part of the equation, how about for charging two batteries at onece? |
| 04:54:17 | Soap | s/onece/once |
| 04:54:54 | jhMikeS | reverse the diode circuit |
| 04:56:06 | Soap | so the question I'm getting to in a round-about manner is: Is there reason to believe the X5 also has the (simple) circuitry to properly use two battery packs? |
| 04:56:45 | jhMikeS | could be but don't know if it actually does myself |
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| 04:58:57 | hacksaw | Soap: that could be possible, because the way it looks the batteries might be in series connecting to the same point on the circuit board |
| 04:59:29 | Soap | oh, I didn't expect them to connect like that, hmm. |
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| 05:00:28 | hacksaw | im taking photos of this |
| 05:01:36 | hacksaw | if u wanna take a look |
| 05:04:55 | jhMikeS | seeing as the battery bench I was given for an x5l ended abruptly at just a hair above 3.3V I doubt there's a diode involved or two batteries in series because they would have to discharge to around half that each and charging wouldn't work very well. |
| 05:05:25 | Nimdae | if it's in series, it would produce double the voltage, i would expect it to be a parallel circuit if it is 2 batteries coupled |
| 05:05:53 | Nimdae | at least, that's my understanding |
| 05:06:03 | Nimdae | of course, i'm an idiot when it comes to hardware :P |
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| 05:06:56 | jhMikeS | But then the battery bench would end at 3.6V+ even with schottkey diodes which have low forward drop. that drop would also waste a lot of power at such low voltages |
| 05:07:25 | Nimdae | that would, of course, double the amps, which could be regulated with a simple circuit |
| 05:08:07 | ze | aren't batteries multiple cells by definition anyway? |
| 05:08:07 | ze | heh |
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| 05:09:35 | Nimdae | ze: not all |
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| 05:10:17 | thePianoMan | i think most (rechargeable) cells that are used in things like MP3 players are 1.2V per cell... so you need 3 cells to make 3.6V |
| 05:10:43 | hacksaw | when it comes to battery theory it amateurs night for me |
| 05:10:44 | jhMikeS | the pcf50606 does the regulation. looking at the pcf datasheet it has support for a rechargeable backup battery that can be charged off the main battery |
| 05:11:10 | ze | Nimdae: i said by definition... since battery is short for something like "battery of cells" |
| 05:11:18 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 05:11:19 | ze | battery implying multiple, like an array |
| 05:11:40 | ze | thus "battery" is a misnomer for anything thats a single cell |
| 05:11:52 | BHSPitLappy | anybody in here use mac? |
| 05:11:54 | ze | but thats beside the point |
| 05:12:04 | Nimdae | well, battery also refers to the act of beating someone |
| 05:12:09 | ze | heh |
| 05:12:11 | jhMikeS | ze: nice going on the semantics. makes me jealous. usually my department :) |
| 05:12:17 | thePianoMan | BHSPitLappy, yes, but not with my MP3 player |
| 05:12:22 | ze | jhMikeS: :p |
| 05:13:13 | BHSPitLappy | thePianoMan, but are you on OSX? |
| 05:13:15 | jhMikeS | Nimdae: and that comment appeals to my macabre sense of humor :) |
| 05:13:20 | ze | actually, doesn't battery, as in assault, imply a series of assaults? :p |
| 05:13:32 | thePianoMan | BHSPitLappy, yep... 10.4.8 i think |
| 05:13:56 | Nimdae | in any case, if it can charge a secondary battery from the primary, it sounds like something like a passive ups |
| 05:14:01 | jhMikeS | I've never heard of anyone charged with cell...no pun |
| 05:14:08 | Nimdae | lol |
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| 05:14:10 | ze | haha |
| 05:14:31 | Nimdae | a combination of two or more cells electrically connected to work together to produce electric energy. |
| 05:14:59 | Nimdae | the act of beating or battering. |
| 05:15:16 | Nimdae | it seems we are each right in our definitions ;) |
| 05:15:17 | ze | "to beat with successive blows" |
| 05:15:21 | ze | batter |
| 05:15:21 | ze | heh |
| 05:15:58 | BHSPitLappy | thePianoMan, pm |
| 05:16:10 | Nimdae | a park at the S end of Manhattan, in New York City. |
| 05:16:17 | Nimdae | :P |
| 05:16:31 | jhMikeS | mmmmmm...batter....goes well with successive blows |
| 05:16:36 | ze | my point was just that since a battery's just multiple cells (in series generally afaik) anyway, it doesn't seem so strange to have 2 batteries in series |
| 05:16:42 | ze | jhMikeS: hah :p |
| 05:16:52 | ze | so long as the voltage works out right one way or another |
| 05:17:13 | Nimdae | putting together batteries/cells in series increases the voltage by the number in each cell |
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| 05:17:24 | ze | right |
| 05:17:24 | Nimdae | so if you put 3 1.2v cells together, you get 3.6v |
| 05:17:41 | ze | i think thats kindof the point to batteries vs single cells anyway |
| 05:17:46 | ze | afaik |
| 05:17:53 | Nimdae | if you want to add multiple batteries to a device to power it in a manner of extending power on time, you wouldn't want to do this |
| 05:18:11 | Nimdae | also, the sensitive electronics may not be able to handle it |
| 05:18:16 | ze | well, you'd be more inclined to avoid it if you can |
| 05:18:20 | ze | probably |
| 05:18:27 | Nimdae | adding 2 3.6v batteries in series would result in 7.2v of power |
| 05:18:50 | Nimdae | however, if you connect them in parallel, you maintain an average voltage between the batteries |
| 05:18:50 | ze | so are they 3.6v? |
| 05:19:02 | ze | in the x5l |
| 05:19:09 | Nimdae | i dunno |
| 05:19:15 | Nimdae | i'm just using numbers that were mentioned :P |
| 05:19:22 | ze | could it be possible that they somehow got pairs of 1.8v's? |
| 05:19:46 | ze | as non-standard as that apparently would be... |
| 05:19:46 | ze | heh |
| 05:19:49 | Nimdae | i would imagine if one device has one battery, and another has two, then they would be connected in parallel |
| 05:20:40 | ze | Nimdae: yeah, but then you get all those charging/discharging issues that were brought up |
| 05:20:46 | ze | heh |
| 05:23:08 | Nimdae | i wouldn't imagine a charge/discharge issue would occur |
| 05:23:30 | Nimdae | the flow of electricity should affect one or the other pack |
| 05:23:52 | Nimdae | if anything, you would just need a more powerful charger to get decent charge times |
| 05:23:59 | ze | ok |
| 05:24:07 | Nimdae | *shouldn't |
| 05:24:19 | ze | hmm |
| 05:24:28 | ze | ok |
| 05:24:50 | ze | well thats beyond my knowledge |
| 05:25:04 | ze | my sad knowledge of electricity tends to be concerned more with AC |
| 05:25:21 | hacksaw | the charger puts out 5v 2A |
| 05:25:24 | ze | which is effectively something else entirely |
| 05:25:27 | Nimdae | i read up about this stuff a while back trying to understand a device i had that took 4 AA batteries, but not all entirely in a series |
| 05:25:36 | ze | heh |
| 05:26:05 | Nimdae | it was 2 pair of AAs in series, then those arrays in parallel |
| 05:26:13 | ze | ah |
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| 05:26:25 | Nimdae | so while it was 4 AA batteries, it was only 3v |
| 05:26:26 | ze | so it wanted 3v but longer life |
| 05:26:34 | Nimdae | 3v but higher amperage |
| 05:26:38 | ze | oh |
| 05:26:39 | ze | or that |
| 05:26:40 | ze | :p |
| 05:26:57 | Nimdae | i guess the higher amperage is easier to regulate than the higher voltage |
| 05:27:16 | ze | hmm |
| 05:27:38 | ze | i dunno how to lower voltage in DC |
| 05:27:59 | ze | but i guess resisters raise it while lowering amps, right? |
| 05:28:19 | Nimdae | resistors resist, they don't raise anything |
| 05:28:37 | ze | doesn't voltage go up with resistance? |
| 05:28:50 | Nimdae | not that i know of, but that kinda goes beyond my knowledge |
| 05:28:55 | ze | i could be wrong |
| 05:29:11 | ze | so i guess lets stop talking about things beyond our knowledge :p |
| 05:29:52 | Nimdae | as far as i know, the only way to change voltage is through transformers, voltage regulators, or splitting/merging circuits |
| 05:30:08 | ze | ok so whats a 'voltage regulator'? |
| 05:30:27 | Nimdae | i think it's a fancy transistor |
| 05:30:27 | Nimdae | heh |
| 05:30:35 | ze | oh |
| 05:30:38 | Nimdae | i honestly don't know |
| 05:30:41 | ze | just PWM? |
| 05:30:48 | hacksaw | ze: if resistance goes up current goes down |
| 05:31:13 | Nimdae | current would be amperage, right? |
| 05:31:32 | Nimdae | i haven't had to remember this since high school :S |
| 05:31:34 | ze | heh |
| 05:32:02 | hacksaw | yes |
| 05:32:14 | Nimdae | that's what i figured |
| 05:32:19 | hacksaw | haha i know what u mean |
| 05:33:01 | hacksaw | this all started because i'm trying to make a charging circuit for the car |
| 05:33:11 | Nimdae | heh |
| 05:33:25 | ze | hacksaw: but so the voltage doesn't change when that happens? |
| 05:33:39 | Nimdae | it shouldn't |
| 05:33:44 | ze | maybe thats a mistaken impression i got from the volts+amps/watts conversion equations |
| 05:33:44 | Nimdae | as far as i know, heh |
| 05:33:47 | ze | heh |
| 05:34:17 | hacksaw | well ohms law E=I x R |
| 05:34:33 | hacksaw | so thats assuming the voltage is the same |
| 05:34:35 | jhMikeS | P = EI, P = I^2 x R |
| 05:34:39 | Nimdae | i want to take my broken fm transmitter and attach an audio cable to it to connect to my car stereo's line in |
| 05:35:06 | jhMikeS | if it's broken why? what'll it do? |
| 05:35:17 | Nimdae | it still charges |
| 05:35:21 | Nimdae | it just doesn't transmit anymore |
| 05:35:34 | hacksaw | thats my goal as well to use line out straight into the amp |
| 05:36:00 | Nimdae | since the audio circuit is easily accessible in the transmitter package, i figured i could attach a line out cable to it |
| 05:36:18 | jhMikeS | I'd look for switchmode regulators that can take an external power MOSFET or some such |
| 05:37:08 | * | Nimdae stares blankly at jhMikeS |
| 05:37:17 | jhMikeS | could get free samples from Maxim from their website |
| 05:37:21 | ze | switchmode regulation is the same as pulse width modulation, right? |
| 05:37:22 | ze | heh |
| 05:37:35 | jhMikeS | or National Semiconductor. |
| 05:37:49 | jhMikeS | ze: There's PWM and PFM. Some chips have both |
| 05:37:57 | ze | whats the F |
| 05:38:03 | jhMikeS | frequency |
| 05:38:07 | thePianoMan | switch mode reg is based on PWM i think |
| 05:38:07 | ze | ah |
| 05:38:11 | hacksaw | i got a pop, see u later |
| 05:38:21 | hacksaw | pop out, oh bi |
| 05:38:27 | jhMikeS | bi |
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| 05:38:49 | ze | heh |
| 05:39:08 | ze | i've got an op-amp and an lm78 (iirc) from national that i still haven't done anything with :p |
| 05:39:12 | jhMikeS | so some use pulse frequency modulation, PWM or both |
| 05:39:13 | Nimdae | i wanna take one of the many slots in my car and turn it into an ipod dock |
| 05:39:40 | ze | jhMikeS: that kind of regulation feels so dirty and kludgey to me |
| 05:39:41 | ze | heh |
| 05:39:45 | jhMikeS | 5v ready made switcher chips are easy to get |
| 05:40:19 | Nimdae | i wonder if i could turn the tape deck into an ipod slot |
| 05:40:20 | ze | how does throwing too much voltage for a short time equate to being less voltage? |
| 05:40:21 | jhMikeS | ze: quite common really |
| 05:40:23 | * | Nimdae contemplates |
| 05:40:27 | ze | i mean they say it "averages" but how does it really? |
| 05:40:28 | ze | heh |
| 05:41:01 | jhMikeS | It's filtered by a low pass circuit, ie. a capacitor |
| 05:41:05 | Nimdae | be kinda interesting to be able to just slide the ipod into a slot and go |
| 05:41:13 | ze | ah |
| 05:42:00 | Nimdae | actually, i kinda thought about taking an old ipod, taking it out of the enclosure, and embedding it into my dash |
| 05:42:04 | Nimdae | heh |
| 05:42:23 | ze | heh |
| 05:42:42 | Nimdae | or better yet, in my stearing wheel |
| 05:42:50 | ze | i guess there's car stereos that have the dock connector on them and act like a remote to control the ipod through the stereo's own interface |
| 05:42:59 | Nimdae | have a rockboxed stearing wheel |
| 05:43:07 | ze | so you can just stick the ipod out of the way somewhere and not screw with it while its plugged in |
| 05:43:25 | Nimdae | yeah, but unfortunately rockbox doesn't support the apple accessory protocol yet |
| 05:43:35 | ze | heh |
| 05:43:49 | Nimdae | found that out the hard way, heh |
| 05:43:54 | ze | hehe |
| 05:44:07 | Nimdae | i was all "wtf, my remote doesn't work, stupid thing is broken" |
| 05:44:08 | goffa | heh.. i just went ghetto and got a deck with aux in... and use a car carger |
| 05:44:30 | Nimdae | yeah, i'm gonna end up going that route |
| 05:44:37 | ze | i dunno anything about the ones that feature it either |
| 05:44:47 | Nimdae | i just wanna hack my old fm transmitter so i have just one cable |
| 05:44:54 | ze | out of the whole wall full of car stereos at best buy there were all of 2 or 3 with ipod connectors |
| 05:45:00 | ze | they could be junk anyway for all i know |
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| 05:45:20 | ze | Nimdae: how would that be 1 cable if you add another cable to it? |
| 05:45:34 | Nimdae | i would be essentially splicing them together |
| 05:45:44 | ze | splicing them? |
| 05:45:45 | Nimdae | so one cable going into the ipod |
| 05:46:02 | ze | where's the power cable plug in at? |
| 05:46:03 | Nimdae | yeah, the audio cable would be connected to the audio connections on the fm transmitter rather than to the ipod itself |
| 05:46:14 | Nimdae | the fm transmitter is the power cable |
| 05:46:25 | ze | heh |
| 05:46:34 | ze | yeah but it plugs into something other than the ipod, right? to actually draw power from... |
| 05:46:42 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 05:46:43 | ze | like the "cigarette lighter" |
| 05:46:46 | Nimdae | cig lighter |
| 05:46:47 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 05:47:17 | Nimdae | i could probably even rig that up to be more hidden too :P |
| 05:47:18 | ze | pretty soon they'll just start calling them power sockets |
| 05:47:20 | Nimdae | but why bother |
| 05:47:22 | goffa | only thing i don't like with the cig lighter charger is that there is noise when i use it in conjunction with the aux in |
| 05:47:32 | ze | and then some power sockets'll come with a cigarette lighter accessory |
| 05:47:32 | ze | :p |
| 05:47:37 | goffa | since i have 2 players.. i charge one and use the other on aux in |
| 05:47:45 | goffa | pita.. but it works |
| 05:47:53 | Nimdae | ze: actually, my car didn't come with the actually lighter part |
| 05:47:58 | ze | goffa: weird |
| 05:48:02 | ze | Nimdae: yeah, i'm not surprised |
| 05:48:03 | ze | heh |
| 05:48:04 | Nimdae | i don't smoke, so no ashtrays or lighter |
| 05:48:47 | goffa | its that way on my x5 and my h140 |
| 05:49:14 | ze | goffa: i didn't think DC systems had issues like that |
| 05:49:29 | ze | like AC stuff gets ground loops and that sorta junk |
| 05:49:34 | goffa | probably just shitty adapters |
| 05:49:36 | goffa | i dunno |
| 05:49:38 | ze | or noise in the power and stuff |
| 05:49:43 | Nimdae | i'd say shitty adapters |
| 05:50:04 | goffa | i had 2 of cowon's and they both do it |
| 05:50:05 | Nimdae | could also be bad shielding on the radio |
| 05:50:08 | jhMikeS | cig lighter chargers are often switchmode. could be a bad frequency for the app. |
| 05:50:11 | ze | well i guess if its got a voltage regulator without good shielding |
| 05:50:17 | ze | or yeah bad frequency |
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| 05:51:00 | ze | dimmers are notorious for causing noise with computer audio recording |
| 05:51:11 | ze | i always wondered why until i found out that dimmers are usually switchmode |
| 05:51:18 | jhMikeS | dimmers as in light dimmers? |
| 05:51:23 | ze | jhMikeS: yeah |
| 05:52:05 | jhMikeS | they chop the sinewave off till the voltage gets high enough then conduct the rest of the ac cycle |
| 05:52:23 | ze | heh |
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| 05:57:07 | BHSPitLappy | thePianoMan, thanks for the font, I managed to convert it just fine. |
| 05:59:06 | goffa | heh... cars are lined up down my block... didn't know what was going on |
| 05:59:15 | goffa | guess there's a strip show next door |
| 05:59:28 | jhMikeS | bachelor party! :P |
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| 05:59:52 | goffa | well i live next to a bowling alley/restaraunt/bar |
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| 06:00:06 | goffa | but normally things are pretty slow even on friday nights |
| 06:02:39 | Nimdae | heh |
| 06:02:50 | Nimdae | what are you doing sitting here then? |
| 06:03:40 | goffa | good question |
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| 06:13:43 | BHSPitLappy | jhMikeS, We're out of ointment! |
| 06:13:57 | * | BHSPitLappy hopes jhMikeS gets the reference |
| 06:14:05 | BHSPitLappy | (otherwise, it would be awkward.) |
| 06:14:24 | ze | i think its awkward anyway |
| 06:14:25 | * | jhMikeS has an eyebrow raised |
| 06:14:26 | ze | :p |
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| 06:14:39 | BHSPitLappy | www.xkcd.com |
| 06:15:34 | ze | haha |
| 06:16:28 | goffa | he he he |
| 06:17:08 | * | goffa decided to save money/not get all revved up with nowhere to go |
| 06:17:50 | jhMikeS | :P |
| 06:17:59 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 06:18:28 | ze | haha |
| 06:18:38 | ze | "if you die in canada, you die in _real life_!" |
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| 06:19:53 | goffa | its sad that this is true http://www.xkcd.com/c181.html |
| 06:20:01 | goffa | damn web-net |
| 06:20:14 | jhMikeS | ze: are they sure? is living in Canada really living? (to all Canuks: joking) |
| 06:20:16 | ze | heh |
| 06:20:23 | ze | heh |
| 06:20:50 | goffa | yeah... we really had to beef up the border here in the past couple of years |
| 06:21:13 | jhMikeS | this is the blagoblag |
| 06:21:13 | goffa | we were worried about the mass immigration :P |
| 06:21:18 | * | goffa lives in montana |
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| 06:21:58 | goffa | intertube... hadn't heard that until Sen stevens decided to enlighten us about the workings of it |
| 06:22:01 | jhMikeS | they just want to keep us trapped here and let the mexicans in |
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| 06:22:30 | goffa | it is kind of funny reading the reports.. you'd be amazed at how many mexicans they deport up here |
| 06:23:36 | jhMikeS | didn't know they deported many at all atm or does Canada deport them to the US? :P |
| 06:23:46 | goffa | ha ha ha |
| 06:23:49 | goffa | maybe that's it |
| 06:24:31 | goffa | amazing how easy it is to get into canada... i actually like it that way |
| 06:25:11 | goffa | coming back is harder ... although i'm on a first name basis with most of them at the port i go through |
| 06:25:37 | jhMikeS | same thing for going to the carribean now...will need a passport to get back in 2007 |
| 06:25:53 | goffa | usually have to answer more computer questions than .. the typical "got any booze, drugs, ammo, or anything else that's fun?" |
| 06:26:20 | goffa | yeah.. that passport thing is bullshit... they need to repeal that |
| 06:26:25 | jhMikeS | computer questions? |
| 06:26:39 | goffa | yeah.. i'm a computer tech.. and we aren't very populated |
| 06:26:55 | jhMikeS | are you carrying any encryption algorithms? |
| 06:26:56 | goffa | so.. they ask me about their machines |
| 06:27:24 | goffa | like i can't print .. i'm loaded with spyware .. etc |
| 06:27:28 | jhMikeS | the border guards do? that's funny |
| 06:27:38 | goffa | yeah |
| 06:27:50 | goffa | usually after the stuff they are required to ask |
| 06:28:06 | goffa | while they are running your I.D. |
| 06:28:08 | jhMikeS | if you let me deliver these drugs I'll help you ;) |
| 06:28:16 | goffa | ha ha ha |
| 06:28:30 | goffa | i know them well.. but you never want to joke at the border |
| 06:28:58 | goffa | unless you want a white glove up your ass or your car taken apart |
| 06:29:14 | jhMikeS | one of my friend's mother was a border guard |
| 06:29:21 | goffa | a friend of mine went up one time .. was being a wise-ass |
| 06:29:26 | Nimdae | hahaha, someone attacked one of our servers with a smurf attack |
| 06:29:36 | goffa | wow.. nostalgia |
| 06:29:41 | Nimdae | no kidding |
| 06:29:57 | goffa | hope you aren't running windows 95 for a server.. lol |
| 06:29:58 | Nimdae | some script kiddie is like "ooo, what is this? must be new, lets try it out!" |
| 06:30:12 | goffa | land them back |
| 06:30:17 | goffa | or better yet.. panther |
| 06:30:19 | goffa | he he he |
| 06:30:23 | Nimdae | i think about 70% of the servers here are unix |
| 06:30:39 | jhMikeS | damn, got red gotta fix that |
| 06:33:12 | Nimdae | i bet if i put snort on my server here with default filters, i'd still find winnuke being detected |
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| 06:33:27 | goffa | probably |
| 06:38:52 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: damn you for artifically inflating my score. |
| 06:39:14 | jhMikeS | hehe...gonna fix it now |
| 06:39:28 | lostlogic | :) |
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| 06:43:01 | jhMikeS | cvs up is slow while a build is in progress |
| 06:43:25 | WalterEgo | There's one thing I don't really understand about coding C for rockbox.. Does rockbox use a very small subset of c (that's what I currently believe) or rather it overloads a few important functions and the rest of the regular functions are accessible..? Say, are time() and strftime() useable or do I need to dig in the source for an equivalent (or confirmation that it doesn't exist)...? |
| 06:43:41 | WalterEgo | I'm asking just so I know what kind of learning experience I'm getting into.. :p |
| 06:43:47 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: rockbox is in C. |
| 06:43:51 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: it does _not_ have a full stdlib |
| 06:43:56 | lostlogic | which is what many people consider to be 'C' |
| 06:44:18 | WalterEgo | ahhh... Like unknowledgeable me did, up to a moment ago.. |
| 06:44:22 | thegeek | it does not use many of the libraries often associated with C though, right? |
| 06:44:26 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 06:45:43 | WalterEgo | okay, so fulltext searches into the source will be my new hobby.. That and browsing my french-english dict. so I know what words to actually search for. |
| 06:45:58 | WalterEgo | Thanks, at least I have a better idea of the direction I'm going :) |
| 06:45:59 | lostlogic | C itself doesn't _do_ much, the stdlib provided by glibc does all kinds of stuff, and the subset of those things that glibc does that are practical / useful / have been needed in rockbox are implemented in rockbox as well. |
| 06:47:02 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: better than a full text search would be to use ctags or an IDE that will simply tell you what functions are available and what parameters they take based on the source, without you having to manually search each time. |
| 06:48:58 | WalterEgo | Makes sense. |
| 06:50:36 | WalterEgo | I guess best IDE I'll find in a full debian or whatever install rather than some cygwin or such...? Installation seems easier for cygwin or vmware (there are plenty of tutorials on the wiki) than on linux though.. |
| 06:51:04 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: do you already run linux somewhere? |
| 06:51:07 | WalterEgo | ..but once that is done, I guess it would make for a more comfortable dev. environment.. |
| 06:51:30 | WalterEgo | I already did.. But for php/web dev, not real programming. |
| 06:51:42 | WalterEgo | Lost my install when my hd crashed.. |
| 06:51:55 | WalterEgo | Miss it ever since but been a bit lazy :p |
| 06:52:22 | lostlogic | *nod* you can actually use a windows IDE to develop code that you will compile from vmware or cygwin, not sure exactly how to set it up though, because I've not used windows in many a moon. |
| 06:52:46 | lostlogic | (nor an IDE) |
| 06:53:22 | WalterEgo | lol... I see. I guess when you get comfortable with the code, anything even vi could be adequate... well, maybe NOT vi. :p |
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| 06:53:51 | lostlogic | "even vi"? |
| 06:53:54 | lostlogic | you are truly a newb :) |
| 06:54:08 | thegeek | a really nice opensource c/c++ editor is code::blocks |
| 06:54:09 | WalterEgo | I am, true.. |
| 06:54:09 | lostlogic | I do all of my coding, both professional and hobby in vim. |
| 06:54:23 | thegeek | I've tested a lot of different editors |
| 06:54:27 | thegeek | and it's really excellent |
| 06:54:39 | lostlogic | thegeek: does it support ctags or another quick navigation type feature? |
| 06:54:44 | thegeek | lots of good features without all the bloat of the giants(visual studio) |
| 06:54:56 | thegeek | not sure |
| 06:55:08 | thegeek | never really had use for anything like that |
| 06:55:25 | lostlogic | thegeek: sure you have, you just haven't noticed that you were missing it ;) |
| 06:55:26 | thegeek | I only work on my own code so I tend to know it pretty well;P |
| 06:55:29 | lostlogic | ahh |
| 06:55:30 | jhMikeS | hmmm...build is taking it's sweet time to start again |
| 06:55:30 | lostlogic | nvm |
| 06:55:30 | thegeek | hehe |
| 06:55:31 | lostlogic | :) |
| 06:55:33 | thegeek | ;) |
| 06:55:52 | WalterEgo | cool, I'll have a look at that. As long as I get syntax coloring and some (can't remember the word.. alignement with tabs) anyway, I'm comfortable. Well I was for coding simple php.. |
| 06:55:53 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: hopefully it'll catch my warning fixes in the same build then |
| 06:56:03 | WalterEgo | I do need some sort of IDE so search through functions though, that's true. |
| 06:56:28 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: vim with ctags provides that, but the learning curve is probably too high _just yet_ ;) |
| 06:56:46 | WalterEgo | heh... I'll put it on the back burner. :) |
| 06:57:10 | lostlogic | another C IDE that I have used in the past in linux is anjuta −− seemed pretty decent, but a bit unpolished, but it did have coloring, code completion and all of the necessary features. |
| 06:57:21 | WalterEgo | And I'll try the K-something-or-something-else IDE that comes with Knoppix while waiting for science to infuse myself.. :p |
| 06:57:42 | jhMikeS | it's talking a really looooooong time ... longest I've seen so far |
| 06:57:52 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: wonder if it's 'stuck' |
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| 06:59:06 | jhMikeS | don't know but it took it's sweet time once yesterday too. is it about daily build time? |
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| 07:00:06 | WalterEgo | On a VERY different matter... What kind of information could end user like meself provide to the nice chaps trying to optimize the iriver H10? Are battery bench any usefull for anything else than calibrating the charge indicator? |
| 07:00:33 | lostlogic | generally not |
| 07:01:03 | lostlogic | WalterEgo: for now, I think patience is in order until dan_a gets the cop running properly on the PP chips. |
| 07:01:18 | lostlogic | (or anyone else) |
| 07:01:34 | * | goffa hands the cop a donut.. that should do it |
| 07:01:44 | * | goffa couldn't resist |
| 07:01:54 | jhMikeS | looks stuck indeed |
| 07:01:57 | WalterEgo | true enough, that would certainly ease up certain operations. |
| 07:02:37 | lostlogic | z. |
| 07:02:55 | WalterEgo | Are the daily builds compiled from some cron tabbed cgi on the web server? |
| 07:03:27 | WalterEgo | I guess so, none would be crazy enough to compile and upload each and every day.. Silly question, sry. |
| 07:07:16 | WalterEgo | Okay, thanks... Off to bed I'll dream of electric sheeps. |
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| 07:22:33 | BHSPitLappy | you got me craving doughnuts |
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| 07:30:07 | goffa | :) |
| 07:31:22 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:31:32 | goffa | 30 mins until then :) |
| 07:31:36 | goffa | here nayway |
| 07:31:49 | amiconn | 7:30 am here |
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| 07:37:07 | amiconn | hrmph. Now the power thread mess is bigger than before :( |
| 07:38:18 | goffa | that's no good |
| 07:39:48 | amiconn | ...and it adds almost one KB to the recorder build, while the recorder has batteries where we don'Ät want low battery shutdown.:( I wonder why... |
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| 09:01:05 | Nimdae_ | i know we're into keeping our music acquisition habits legit, but this may interest you: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35669 |
| 09:01:08 | Nimdae_ | ;) |
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| 10:56:03 | thePianoMan | hmm pretty quiet around here, only been two lines since 5:50 (AEDST) |
| 10:56:21 | JdGordon | most of the desvs are in europe |
| 10:56:22 | thePianoMan | 3hrs |
| 10:56:27 | thePianoMan | yeah i guess so |
| 10:56:33 | JdGordon | and its saturday morning there... |
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| 11:00:42 | JdGordon | hit a wall... but exams have just finished, so im gong to get it going again, hopefully soon |
| 11:01:27 | thePianoMan | I haven't started exams yet :( I reckon i might start looking at some comments and stuff after exams |
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| 12:47:57 | bluet | i'm going to but a music player soon, any recommendations? |
| 12:48:07 | Bagder | one that runs Rockbox! ;-) |
| 12:48:11 | Kohlrabi | yep |
| 12:48:14 | bluet | of course |
| 12:48:28 | Kohlrabi | I like my h120 |
| 12:48:44 | bluet | can't get that one here |
| 12:48:48 | Kohlrabi | it had a...leather case already |
| 12:48:52 | Kohlrabi | yep |
| 12:48:52 | bluet | i think |
| 12:48:57 | Kohlrabi | it's out of production iirc |
| 12:49:04 | Kohlrabi | try H10 |
| 12:49:06 | Kohlrabi | I like iRIver |
| 12:49:08 | bluet | i've looked at the e10 |
| 12:49:14 | Kohlrabi | someone else might tell you Apple rocks |
| 12:49:18 | Kohlrabi | I mean |
| 12:49:19 | bluet | nice, but only has 6 GB |
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| 12:49:24 | Kohlrabi | it's personal preference |
| 12:49:49 | bluet | ipods are nice in one way |
| 12:49:54 | Bagder | rockbox doesn't run on the e10 |
| 12:50:01 | bluet | will it ever? |
| 12:50:11 | Bagder | perhaps, but don't count on it |
| 12:50:16 | bluet | hmm |
| 12:50:19 | rasher | You might be interested in an Iaudio X5 |
| 12:50:25 | bluet | then i've looked at the x5 |
| 12:50:27 | bluet | yeah |
| 12:50:43 | bluet | but it has the headphone thingy on the side |
| 12:51:01 | Kohlrabi | Well |
| 12:51:08 | bluet | that could be annoying with a jack/minijack adaptor |
| 12:51:13 | Kohlrabi | One thing I would reconsider is the amount of HD-space |
| 12:51:19 | Kohlrabi | I rarely need the 20GB |
| 12:51:38 | bluet | 6 GB is too little imo |
| 12:51:43 | Kohlrabi | hmm |
| 12:51:44 | Kohlrabi | yeah |
| 12:51:48 | Kohlrabi | The nice thing is |
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| 12:51:56 | Kohlrabi | YOu can put data on a 20gb |
| 12:52:00 | Kohlrabi | like movies and stuff |
| 12:52:15 | Kohlrabi | But I already have a 500gig external HD ;) |
| 12:52:16 | bluet | sure |
| 12:52:23 | Kohlrabi | so I don't need that :) |
| 12:52:28 | bluet | me neither |
| 12:52:38 | Kohlrabi | And for music I don't need 20gig |
| 12:52:50 | Kohlrabi | I don't need whole discographies |
| 12:52:57 | bluet | my music collection on my computer is 19 gigs now |
| 12:53:00 | Kohlrabi | oh |
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| 12:53:06 | Kohlrabi | k :) |
| 12:53:09 | bluet | i want discographies |
| 12:53:13 | bluet | a lot of flac |
| 12:53:22 | Kohlrabi | I don't need discographies on my portable |
| 12:53:48 | Kohlrabi | I myself have lots of discopgraphies compressed losslessly on the external drive |
| 12:53:51 | bluet | i don't think i _need_ them either, but it'd be nice |
| 12:53:53 | Kohlrabi | but not on the H120 |
| 12:53:58 | Kohlrabi | I use vorbis on that |
| 12:54:12 | bluet | what bitrate? |
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| 12:54:46 | Kohlrabi | hmm |
| 12:54:48 | Kohlrabi | q7 |
| 12:54:54 | Kohlrabi | But I consider going for q4-5 |
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| 12:55:02 | bluet | q? |
| 12:55:06 | bluet | ah |
| 12:55:10 | Kohlrabi | vorbis isnt about bitrae |
| 12:55:12 | Kohlrabi | err |
| 12:55:13 | bluet | though you meant a player |
| 12:55:48 | Kohlrabi | I used q7 on my PC before I had enough space to store lossless audio |
| 12:55:56 | Kohlrabi | So I still use the q7 oggs |
| 12:56:03 | Kohlrabi | But it's overkill for portable |
| 12:56:18 | bluet | oh? |
| 12:56:39 | Kohlrabi | well |
| 12:56:48 | Kohlrabi | q7 is transparent on my home audio system |
| 12:56:53 | Kohlrabi | which isnt top class |
| 12:57:01 | Kohlrabi | but still better than the portable |
| 12:57:11 | Kohlrabi | so q4-5 should be transparent on the H120 |
| 12:57:40 | bluet | hmm |
| 12:57:58 | Kohlrabi | errr |
| 12:58:00 | Kohlrabi | well |
| 12:58:02 | Kohlrabi | not transparent |
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| 12:58:07 | Kohlrabi | but enough :) |
| 12:58:24 | bluet | what about the x5? |
| 12:58:28 | Kohlrabi | dunno |
| 12:58:36 | bluet | better sound wuality you think? |
| 12:58:38 | bluet | quality |
| 12:58:39 | Kohlrabi | I think q4-5 is enough for any portable |
| 12:59:14 | Kohlrabi | though, you still can use wavpack/flac on your rockbox-portable :) |
| 12:59:18 | bluet | can rockbox play modules? |
| 12:59:22 | Kohlrabi | .mod? |
| 12:59:29 | Kohlrabi | hmm, I don't think so |
| 12:59:33 | bluet | damn |
| 12:59:34 | Kohlrabi | check the website though |
| 12:59:48 | bluet | my pda can :) |
| 12:59:52 | Kohlrabi | nice |
| 12:59:53 | Kohlrabi | :) |
| 12:59:59 | bluet | but tha battery doesn't last very long |
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| 13:00:09 | rasher | There's a patch |
| 13:00:52 | PaulJam | bluet: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
| 13:02:16 | bluet | cool |
| 13:02:49 | bluet | Kohlrabi: what headohones do you have? |
| 13:03:52 | Kohlrabi | panasonic |
| 13:03:58 | Kohlrabi | dont know the number |
| 13:04:08 | bluet | are they good? |
| 13:04:14 | Kohlrabi | small enough to stuff in the pocket |
| 13:04:20 | bluet | ah |
| 13:04:34 | bluet | foldable then? |
| 13:04:36 | Kohlrabi | but not these stick-in-the-ear-things |
| 13:05:05 | bluet | i've got koss the plug |
| 13:05:09 | bluet | they suck |
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| 13:07:19 | Kohlrabi | http://shop.panasonic.co.uk/invt/rphs9e |
| 13:07:25 | Kohlrabi | same kind of headphones |
| 13:07:32 | Kohlrabi | but different design |
| 13:08:45 | Kohlrabi | small, but still cover the ear, though not fully |
| 13:09:04 | Kohlrabi | I find the stick-in-ear kind more tiresome |
| 13:10:27 | bluet | they're not very comfortable |
| 13:10:37 | bluet | page not found |
| 13:11:00 | Kohlrabi | hmm |
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| 13:11:06 | Kohlrabi | true |
| 13:11:07 | Kohlrabi | strange |
| 13:11:11 | bluet | hey bluey- |
| 13:11:16 | bluet | cool nick |
| 13:11:26 | Kohlrabi | 141666;_ylt=AkjmuyAuDWIAra0vR_bFW01hMI8C;_ylu=X3oDMTBuMjhlNG1sBF9zAzU3NjkwMzU3BGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmss//ctx=sc:cheadphone,c:cheadphone,mid:59,pid:1994141666,pdid:59,pos:13 |
| 13:11:29 | Kohlrabi | argh |
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| 13:11:41 | Kohlrabi | sorry |
| 13:11:49 | bluey- | =) |
| 13:12:26 | bluet | ah |
| 13:12:40 | bluet | i've seen thode i think |
| 13:12:43 | bluet | those |
| 13:13:26 | bluet | are they heavy? |
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| 13:15:46 | Kohlrabi | hmm |
| 13:15:51 | Kohlrabi | no |
| 13:15:55 | Kohlrabi | first strange on the ear |
| 13:16:00 | Kohlrabi | but I like the sound |
| 13:16:49 | bluet | hmm |
| 13:17:08 | bluet | how are they compared to sennheiser hd595? |
| 13:17:12 | Kohlrabi | I have Sennheiser for home stereo |
| 13:17:31 | Kohlrabi | well |
| 13:17:38 | bluet | what model? |
| 13:17:44 | Kohlrabi | hd595 look like full-fledged headphones |
| 13:17:51 | Kohlrabi | a cheap one |
| 13:18:01 | Kohlrabi | 497 |
| 13:18:09 | bluet | ah |
| 13:18:15 | Kohlrabi | I mainly use it to pracice bass in late hours ;) |
| 13:18:22 | bluet | the silvery grey ones with mostly plastic? |
| 13:18:25 | Kohlrabi | yep |
| 13:18:31 | Kohlrabi | got them for like 15 bucks |
| 13:18:33 | Kohlrabi | at a sale |
| 13:18:35 | bluet | a friend of mine has them |
| 13:18:53 | bluet | not bad at all |
| 13:19:26 | Kohlrabi | no |
| 13:19:29 | Kohlrabi | true |
| 13:20:43 | bluet | a lot of bass |
| 13:21:29 | bluet | more than my 595s |
| 13:21:58 | bluet | i think |
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| 13:23:16 | * | drippydonut takes the opposite approach and likes IEMs |
| 13:23:25 | drippydonut | but I haven't been listening to much music at the moment |
| 13:23:38 | drippydonut | cos I got an ear infection and screwed up my right eardrum :( |
| 13:23:53 | Kohlrabi | ugh :( |
| 13:24:04 | drippydonut | nice details :D |
| 13:24:17 | bluet | iems? |
| 13:24:25 | drippydonut | in eam monitors |
| 13:24:32 | drippydonut | shure e4s all the way for me |
| 13:24:37 | bluet | hmm |
| 13:24:49 | bluet | how's the comfort? |
| 13:25:01 | drippydonut | very good actually |
| 13:25:30 | drippydonut | especially with the foamies or triple-flange sleeves |
| 13:25:48 | drippydonut | the foam ones are a bit like foam earplugs |
| 13:26:00 | bluet | cool |
| 13:26:02 | drippydonut | they squidge down and then expand |
| 13:26:32 | bluet | http://www.prisguide.no/product.php?productId=17682 like this? |
| 13:27:07 | drippydonut | sorta |
| 13:27:12 | drippydonut | they're the etymotics |
| 13:27:18 | drippydonut | mine are these... |
| 13:27:18 | drippydonut | http://www.generationmp3.com/bigfiles/Wildsurfer/Shure%20e4c/Shure%20e4c%2002.jpg |
| 13:27:19 | bluet | i know |
| 13:27:34 | bluet | ah, e4C |
| 13:27:37 | bluet | not s |
| 13:27:55 | drippydonut | yea |
| 13:28:01 | drippydonut | "s" for plural |
| 13:28:14 | bluet | ah |
| 13:28:16 | drippydonut | its really difficlut pluralising product names and acronyms |
| 13:28:22 | drippydonut | *difficult |
| 13:28:25 | bluet | yeah |
| 13:28:32 | bluet | hyphens can work |
| 13:28:58 | drippydonut | I would like to get a pair of etymotics too, but being a skint teenager the e4-s where all I could afford |
| 13:29:05 | drippydonut | oh well, I'm really happy with them |
| 13:29:15 | drippydonut | apart from its a fiddle putting them away in the case :D |
| 13:29:23 | bluet | : |
| 13:29:25 | bluet | :) |
| 13:29:31 | bluet | tried portapro? |
| 13:29:40 | drippydonut | nope |
| 13:29:47 | bluet | i did once |
| 13:30:03 | drippydonut | I'll probably look to get some more in around july next year |
| 13:30:06 | bluet | they're very popular around here |
| 13:30:12 | drippydonut | before I go off on my few weeks of travels |
| 13:30:40 | drippydonut | yey :D! |
| 13:30:59 | drippydonut | anyway, I really need to finish this damn essay :( |
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| 13:31:31 | bluet | :/ |
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| 13:31:50 | Gnelik | hi!!! |
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| 13:32:03 | DD_lurking | sorry, just had to register that nick :D |
| 13:32:11 | bluet | good luck, matt |
| 13:32:18 | bluet | with the essay |
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| 13:47:31 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html |
| 13:47:49 | Bagder | for those that think "since 2.5" is a bit too much |
| 13:48:03 | n1s | yeah that took a while to load :-) |
| 13:48:59 | n1s | Bagder: could there perhaps be a link next to the "since 2.5" on the frontpage? |
| 13:49:08 | Bagder | coming right up |
| 13:49:13 | n1s | nice |
| 13:49:27 | Bagder | there |
| 13:50:09 | Bagder | the title on the page is wrong, but it'll get fixed at next update |
| 13:52:56 | petur | quite a bit of activity lately |
| 13:53:09 | Bagder | indeed |
| 13:53:11 | petur | including some major changes |
| 13:54:08 | rasher | I tried to update MajorChanges yesterday, but may have missed some |
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| 13:55:44 | petur | the question is, do we only mention major changes the user can see, or also internal changes that go unnoticed (except when they contained bugs ;) ) |
| 13:55:58 | Bagder | the oct 25 X5 change is missing |
| 13:56:13 | rasher | petur: My vote is for the former |
| 13:56:14 | Bagder | I'll add |
| 13:56:41 | petur | rasher: me too, as the internals are known to most devs |
| 13:58:05 | bluebrother | Bagder, how about some "changes in the last 4 weeks" or similar? |
| 13:58:32 | Bagder | you mean instead, or in addition to this? |
| 13:58:56 | Bagder | it is dead simple to do |
| 13:59:06 | bluebrother | not sure ... one idea would be to have "changes since 1st <month>" and crosslink them |
| 13:59:28 | bluebrother | or additionally to have a like 4 weeks windows with all changes made in that time. |
| 13:59:34 | Bagder | ok, I'll make a third page and then we can see how they "feel" |
| 13:59:51 | bluebrother | or, perhaps, have a "window" page, a monthly page and a "all" page ;-) |
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| 14:00:38 | bluebrother | great. since25 got quite long (and long to load too) |
| 14:03:42 | bluebrother | on the MajorChanges topic: how about using icons to identify (a) new features, (b) internal fixes, (c) internal changes? |
| 14:04:19 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 14:04:32 | bluebrother | something like this changelog page: http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/changelog.html |
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| 14:05:53 | bluebrother | Bagder, I like it. |
| 14:06:10 | Bagder | and now also as a link from the front page |
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| 14:08:29 | * | n1s thinks "Feature Requests" in the tracker should have been named "Brainstorm"... |
| 14:09:50 | bluebrother | I'm still in favour of some tracker type for patches that won't go into Rockbox ... like "code snippets" |
| 14:10:05 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:10:11 | Bagder | makes sense |
| 14:10:25 | bluebrother | so they don't get lost and it gets clear they won't get included. |
| 14:12:06 | * | bluebrother remembers that discussion of one patch that wasn't intended to get included and thus caused some confusion |
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| 14:21:45 | bluebrother | is there a way I can see what shorthands are defined for twiki icons? |
| 14:22:17 | rasher | There's a page.. |
| 14:22:17 | rasher | somewhere |
| 14:22:29 | rasher | Where they are defined |
| 14:23:05 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiVariables |
| 14:23:17 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiVariables#Frequently_Used_Preferences_Vari |
| 14:23:48 | bluebrother | nice, thanks. |
| 14:24:03 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiPreferences#Rendering_Shortcuts_Settings in fact is where they are defined |
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| 14:25:26 | rasher | In fact, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics |
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| 14:48:47 | bluebrother | ok, added some icons to MajorChanges. I hope everyone likes it ... ;-) |
| 14:52:31 | rasher | looks good |
| 14:53:04 | rasher | I'd put the description as a list |
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| 15:02:02 | rasher | n1s: putting FS#xxx (rather than the full url) in your comment is enough |
| 15:03:14 | bluebrother | FS crosslinks FS#xxx in comments automatically. Would be nice if this was working for wiki names too. |
| 15:03:31 | bluebrother | or on the cvs changes page. |
| 15:03:41 | rasher | 'deed |
| 15:15:01 | n1s | rasher, ok |
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| 15:30:51 | Kingstone | hello, anyone here knows about iTunesDB? |
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| 15:37:33 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache |
| 15:37:33 | Kitt0s | ? |
| 15:37:49 | linuxstb | Kingstone: Ask your question, and you'll find out... |
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| 15:52:25 | Kingstone | i've seen in the iPL wiki about iTunesDB that there is a value in a song record (mhit) that states visibility of a song |
| 15:52:35 | Kingstone | is this one known for a fact? |
| 15:52:47 | Kingstone | also, does it work for all versions of iTunes? |
| 15:53:35 | Kingstone | and another question, how do you add a playlist to iTunesDB? cause if i just add an mhyp to the playlists mhsd, it doesn't work |
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| 15:53:58 | Kingstone | it looks like there is something with the podcasts mhsd that involves here |
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| 15:59:05 | linuxstb | I don't think anyone here will know the itunesdb in that detail - Rockbox deliberately ignores it. You may get more luck trying to find developers from one of the itunes replacements, such as gtkpod. |
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| 16:03:03 | kerb | I just have a quick question, is there anywhere I can see what people play from my DAAP share? I'm curious :) |
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| 16:11:01 | rasher | kerb: What are you using to share with? |
| 16:12:00 | kerb | rhythmbox :) |
| 16:12:28 | kerb | lol |
| 16:12:34 | rasher | I suggest asking them instead, then |
| 16:12:34 | kerb | mindslip :P |
| 16:12:46 | kerb | I use rockbox on my ipod and I joined the wrong channel :D |
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| 16:38:14 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ is now less likely to kill your computer. But also less interactive (the google maps interface is still available though) |
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| 16:39:18 | drizztbsd | what is the state about ipod nano 2g? |
| 16:39:39 | rasher | drizztbsd: I don't believe anyone is working on it with Rockbox in mind |
| 16:39:48 | Soap | drizztbsd: - the Nano 2G is a long way from rockbox support. |
| 16:39:54 | rasher | We're mostly hoping ipodlinux will drop something in our laps |
| 16:40:24 | drizztbsd | uhm sigh :( |
| 16:40:28 | Soap | The Nano 2G has next to nothing in common with the other ipods, it mght as well be the Zune, heck - more is known about the Zune than the 2G. |
| 16:41:00 | drizztbsd | perfect :/ |
| 16:41:21 | drizztbsd | what is the maximum capacity of 1g? |
| 16:41:25 | drizztbsd | 2g? 4g? |
| 16:41:31 | drizztbsd | giga* |
| 16:41:44 | rasher | 4gb |
| 16:41:57 | drizztbsd | k thx |
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| 16:43:30 | Genre9mp3 | rasher: The map now is based on GRASS? |
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| 16:44:23 | rasher | Genre9mp3: Based on whatnow? |
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| 16:45:22 | Genre9mp3 | rasher: The map reminded me this |
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| 16:46:44 | rasher | It's simply using xplanet images that I create |
| 16:47:54 | rasher | The images are by James Hastings-Trew. I should probably write that somewhere |
| 16:48:02 | Genre9mp3 | ah ok.. |
| 16:48:20 | Genre9mp3 | For one minute I thought it was something like this: http://mapserver.gdf-hannover.de/grassusers/map.phtml?winwidth=890&winheight=630&language=1&mapwidth=600&mapheight=400 |
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| 16:50:24 | rasher | oh christ, now I messed it up |
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| 16:53:07 | PaulPosition | Where can I find Rockbox Coding guidelines (best practice..)? Right now I'm just toying around and learning some (acutally, lots) stuff, but if I sometime get serious about it I'll need some guides.. For example, should a plugin be built only with calls to the plugin api? If I needed to read time, should I just include the files I need or (that'd be stupid I think) hard copy them into my code? |
| 16:53:41 | PaulPosition | (note, last question is just example, don't go explaining it all..) |
| 16:54:28 | rasher | There is a guidelines page in the wiki I believe, a search should find it |
| 16:54:44 | rasher | But it says nothing about stuff like that |
| 16:54:54 | PaulPosition | rasher - oops. :p |
| 16:55:09 | rasher | Plugins only have what the plugin api (and plugin lib) gives them, basically |
| 16:57:20 | PaulPosition | Maybe I'm stupid (well, yes I am).. I don't know much about C yet.. Are files included in, say ABC.h de facto included in XYZ.h if the latter includes ABC ? |
| 16:57:23 | Kingstone | linuxstb, do you know any irc channel for gtkpod? |
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| 17:00:04 | linuxstb | Kingstone: No, sorry. |
| 17:01:37 | linuxstb | Their mailing lists seem active though. |
| 17:01:42 | PaulPosition | Kingstone - There's a #gtkpod channel on quakenet but there's only ony person or bot sitting in it, so it's no use for you. |
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| 17:14:33 | Kingstone | ok thanks |
| 17:14:47 | Kingstone | is rockbox on GPL license? |
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| 17:14:54 | SoulDeaD | yes it is |
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| 17:22:21 | Hunnybunny | hey, i blew my ipod nano after my rockbox-install ... anyone got time to answer questions? |
| 17:23:00 | SoulDeaD | what?s the condition of the ipod? |
| 17:23:15 | Hunnybunny | its dead and not booting. |
| 17:23:27 | SoulDeaD | not booting at all? |
| 17:23:29 | SoulDeaD | anything? |
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| 17:23:42 | Hunnybunny | not at all nothing. |
| 17:24:09 | SoulDeaD | at least an apple logo? |
| 17:24:44 | Hunnybunny | thatd be the first time id be really happy with that apple-logo, but sadly no. no apple. no nothing. |
| 17:24:56 | Hunnybunny | screen stays blank. |
| 17:24:58 | SoulDeaD | hmmm |
| 17:25:09 | obo | Hunnybunny: sounds like the battery has drained - try leaving it plugged into usb for 20-30 minutes, then hold menu+select to reboot it |
| 17:25:24 | SoulDeaD | ok, let?s start from the begging |
| 17:25:34 | Hunnybunny | obo: nope, i charged the battery |
| 17:25:37 | SoulDeaD | you followed the instructions in the manual |
| 17:25:53 | Hunnybunny | yes, everything worked until i connected to my pc |
| 17:26:02 | SoulDeaD | and then reboot and then nothing? |
| 17:26:09 | SoulDeaD | aha |
| 17:26:23 | SoulDeaD | somebody remember how to start the rescue mode? |
| 17:26:29 | obo | holding menu+play |
| 17:26:41 | obo | but it needs to be booting for that to happen |
| 17:26:45 | Hunnybunny | the ipod switched to the apple-firmware. i disconnected from the pc and the ipod showed: battery low and died |
| 17:27:01 | SoulDeaD | aha |
| 17:27:02 | obo | how did you charge it? |
| 17:27:32 | Hunnybunny | charged by usb-charging from pc AND external (sorry, im german my english sucks ;) |
| 17:27:48 | obo | in rockbox, or diskmode? |
| 17:28:30 | Hunnybunny | what do you mean? |
| 17:28:50 | rasher | which state was the ipod in when you charged |
| 17:28:52 | obo | when it was charging, was your ipod still in rockbox, or did you let it reboot into diskmode? |
| 17:28:54 | SoulDeaD | was rockbox or original firmware running while you charged it? |
| 17:28:56 | PaulPosition | HunnyBunny - look at this thread, might help (particularly Step 2 about diskmode..) −−> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7184.0 |
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| 17:29:27 | Hunnybunny | the ipod was dead when i charged it - the light at the charger turned red, thats why i knew it was charging |
| 17:29:59 | Hunnybunny | paul: nice link, thx, but the ipod is not booting so this wont help |
| 17:30:34 | SoulDeaD | try holding menu while plugging the usb cable |
| 17:30:53 | obo | Hunnybunny: it still sounds like the battery is completely flat |
| 17:31:22 | SoulDeaD | you charged it with an external charger, not with the pc? |
| 17:32:15 | Hunnybunny | souldead: sorry cant do it here, the ipod is at home :( and i charged it external and with the pc - i tried both - it was for at least 6 hours at the charging device |
| 17:32:30 | SoulDeaD | aha |
| 17:32:41 | SoulDeaD | and what was running, apple firmware of rockbox? |
| 17:33:13 | PaulPosition | sorry, I meant Step B (well 1b) not step 2..... TThe part abou holding menu+play for 7 seconds, and trying again, and again... |
| 17:33:25 | Hunnybunny | when it died it was running apple, cause itunes activated it and whn i disconnected the ipod from the pc it went dead |
| 17:34:06 | SoulDeaD | ok, suggest plug the ipod to a computer with running itunes |
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| 17:34:18 | My_Sic | hi |
| 17:34:22 | SoulDeaD | i use old version - 6.5 |
| 17:34:27 | SoulDeaD | hi My_Sic |
| 17:34:27 | obo | what difference would itunes make in that case??? |
| 17:34:40 | Hunnybunny | i plugged it to a pc running itunes and a apple running itunes...no reaction. |
| 17:34:46 | SoulDeaD | it might detect the ipod, i don?t know |
| 17:34:59 | SoulDeaD | maybe make the usb to power the ipod with maximum power |
| 17:35:09 | Hunnybunny | damn too bad i dont have the ipod with me :( paul, thx for the advice |
| 17:36:02 | bluebrother | hmm. The recording trigger menu looks ... strange. |
| 17:36:20 | bluebrother | settings are quite different than for all other menus. |
| 17:37:13 | PaulPosition | hunnybunny - That's okay, the iPod will be waiting for you and you'll probably in a more relaxed disposition when you get to try it.. ;) |
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| 17:38:02 | Hunnybunny | ill try the "push menu and center it until my fingers bleed"-thing when im at home :) hope it will help... and paul, ty, im trying to relax but my hangover is really hard on me today |
| 17:38:56 | SoulDeaD | Hunnybunny there?s a chance that the battery will power a single boot when it relaxes |
| 17:38:56 | PaulJam | Slasheri: are you here? |
| 17:40:47 | Hunnybunny | ill try to meditate on my ipod, maybe that helps... its weird: now that i dont have it i really miss it ... ah, and rockbox is really fun, thank you for that |
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| 17:41:25 | TerrorByte | Hi. |
| 17:41:38 | TerrorByte | I was reading the recent updates, and I saw this: |
| 17:41:45 | TerrorByte | "Added recording functions to plugin API per request of Thom Johansen. Cleaned up includes in plugin.c and grouped them a bit better in plugin.h while at it." |
| 17:41:52 | TerrorByte | What is that exactly? |
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| 17:44:15 | TerrorByte | Anyone? |
| 17:44:35 | obo | have you looked at the diffs? |
| 17:44:41 | TerrorByte | Diffs? |
| 17:45:08 | TerrorByte | ??? |
| 17:45:09 | obo | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugin.c.diff?r1=1.191&r2=1.192 |
| 17:45:13 | SoulDeaD | differences of two files stored in another |
| 17:46:00 | TerrorByte | I seriously don't get that. |
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| 17:46:43 | TerrorByte | Can you tell me what is meant by 'recording functions to plugin'?? |
| 17:47:09 | obo | the green lines at the end - those functions are now available to any plugins that may need them |
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| 17:47:49 | PaulPosition | to plugin == to plugin API .. |
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| 17:49:30 | Kingstone | basic CVS repository |
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| 17:56:02 | Gnelik | Stupid question: why dont rockbox dont have good color interface |
| 17:56:21 | PaulPosition | define 'good' (or ungood) |
| 17:57:14 | SoulDeaD | Gnelik maybe you can design one? |
| 17:57:15 | PaulPosition | obo - since you seem to know a lot.. Is it bad practice, in a plugin, to call on functions that aren't listed in the plugin.h header file? Say, calls to time()..? |
| 17:57:17 | Gnelik | #define good "like iPodLinux" :) |
| 17:57:55 | PaulPosition | Because it's not cattering to only one platform but more than 12 of them, some monochrome, others not so... |
| 17:58:16 | obo | PaulPosition: AFAIK the function needs to be in the API... but I'm not the best person to ask :) |
| 17:58:22 | SoulDeaD | the rockbox interface is pretty good for me since i use it mostly to listen music. |
| 17:58:59 | PaulPosition | obo - okay, thanks. As of now, anyway, I'm too much of a newb to submit anything so I'll play around like I want, but when I get more comfortable I'll be asking. :p |
| 17:59:12 | Genre9mp3 | Gnelik: What's wrong with the colour interface? |
| 17:59:18 | obo | it's easy enough to extent the API with anything you need |
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| 17:59:34 | Gnelik | What player do you use on PC?? |
| 17:59:35 | bluebrother | fatal error: "like iPodLinux" is undefined. Stop. |
| 17:59:44 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: haha |
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| 18:00:07 | PaulPosition | obo - I guess so, but hardcoding time_t structures and such when it is already part of the lib would be stupid.. :o |
| 18:00:15 | Gnelik | PaulPosition Why dont you use console plauer? |
| 18:00:20 | bluebrother | I have no idea how ipl looks like. I guess I also don't care. |
| 18:00:41 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Uh?? My rockboxed H10 looks nothing like a console. |
| 18:00:46 | obo | PaulPosition: what functions are you after? |
| 18:01:03 | PaulPosition | Is it the lack of antialised, prerendered menus items that make you sad? |
| 18:01:30 | * | bluebrother is tired of guessing what people mean |
| 18:01:35 | PaulPosition | obo - mostly time functions, but I'll have a look at the vcard plugin someone was working on and see how he did it anyway.. :) |
| 18:02:55 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Have you at least gone to WPS gallery and looked at some themes or is it you installed rockbox and started crying at the black/white default (and not so functional) screen? |
| 18:03:04 | Gnelik | PaulPosition: nope |
| 18:03:21 | bluebrother | hmm, I should have a look at the tarred themes thing again ... |
| 18:03:35 | bluebrother | Gnelik, http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 18:03:59 | Gnelik | I looked at WPSs many times |
| 18:04:18 | bluebrother | then I really don't see your problem. |
| 18:04:30 | bluebrother | refining it may help ... |
| 18:05:00 | Gnelik | Please dont kill me, i shall not speak about iface again :))) |
| 18:05:15 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 18:05:19 | Kittt0s | this is great |
| 18:06:53 | bluebrother | I prefer to actually understand what your issue is. Only asking why it isn't better doesn't give a clue what you are missing |
| 18:07:21 | PaulPosition | Oh well, *my* rockbox's screen is set to turn off after 5 seconds so I couldn't care less if the guy sitting in face of my on the subway sees that I have supergreat cover-art or whatnot. At least Rockbox has great SOUND. |
| 18:07:35 | PaulPosition | "in front of me".. sry. |
| 18:09:30 | Genre9mp3 | you can have "supergreat cover-art" with Rockbox, too though |
| 18:09:35 | Gnelik | Good arguments |
| 18:09:48 | PaulPosition | true enough. :blush: |
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| 18:14:56 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - I think bluebrother invited you to "...talk about iface again". :) Maybe state what kind of improvement you wished for, maybe it already exists and just hasn't been used yet by WPS makers? |
| 18:16:40 | Slasheri | PaulJam: now i am |
| 18:18:18 | PaulPosition | Barry - Are battery bench for H10 still usefull to you? Any other sort of data an end user could collect to help whatever it is you're fiddling with on that target (if you're still playing around with it, that is)? |
| 18:19:15 | PaulJam | Slasheri: i have two questions concerning tagcache: 1. is it a known problem that when using the random folder function, after the change to another folder the rating and playcount of the first track is not available in the wps? (i havent tried this yet with an unmodified build) |
| 18:20:03 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting.. i haven't used that feature yet but it sounds like a problem with the playback engine |
| 18:21:58 | Slasheri | at least that doesn't seem to occur when just "normally" playing files |
| 18:22:02 | PaulJam | and 2. in my tagnavi_custom.config i have used the format string '"%s [%s] %s" artist album title' but the results are sorted by title (i expected them to be sorted by artist). does the sorting only work for title and numeric values? |
| 18:22:52 | Slasheri | does that format string work in otherwise ok? |
| 18:23:50 | Slasheri | you need to make sure directory buffer size is large enough to hold all files on the player |
| 18:23:55 | Slasheri | otherwise sorting cannot be done |
| 18:24:31 | PaulJam | oh, that could be the problem. |
| 18:25:19 | Slasheri | and formatting works only for non-unique tags (title and filename, possible numeric tags also) |
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| 18:25:58 | Slasheri | or that is when you can include references to other tags |
| 18:26:07 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: i have some battery bench data already. have you noticed the battery being inaccurate at all? |
| 18:27:11 | barrywardell | there's also the problem that the readings we're getting for the battery voltage are quite jumpy. to fix that we need to work out how to use the ADC better |
| 18:28:05 | PaulJam | hmm, dir buffer is set to 3000 (with ~2700 files on the device) |
| 18:28:31 | Slasheri | PaulJam: hmm, can you paste the formatting entry and menu entry of your config file? |
| 18:28:38 | PaulPosition | barry - nope no specific battery problem, just inquiring how a non-programming type like myself could maybe help by testing stuff. But I gotta go now, I'll re-read your thread at misticriver, might give me some idea. |
| 18:28:43 | PaulPosition | Well, see y'all. |
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| 18:29:51 | PaulJam | %format "fmt_test1" "%s [%s] %s" artist album title |
| 18:30:04 | PaulJam | "test1" -> title = "fmt_test1" |
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| 18:31:30 | Slasheri | PaulJam: hmm, wierd.. that might be a bug, just a moment |
| 18:33:40 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yep, it's a bug.. currently sorting is not enabled for the first level when you enter to a menu because tagtree assumes tagcache has already sorted the first index |
| 18:34:36 | PaulJam | ok |
| 18:35:06 | Slasheri | PaulJam: i am not sure what is the best way to fix that. You can add one clause to the entry that does nothing |
| 18:35:11 | Slasheri | it should fix it also |
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| 18:39:55 | Slasheri | PaulJam: try adding %sort = "normal" to the format string and update to the newest build |
| 18:40:01 | Slasheri | that should fix it.. |
| 18:40:19 | Slasheri | just committed an option to force the sorting |
| 18:40:28 | PaulJam | ok, i'll try that. |
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| 19:01:34 | PaulJam | seems to work now, thank you |
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| 19:20:44 | preglow | lostlogic: so, any caveats about the new scheduler boost thing? |
| 19:21:39 | lostlogic | preglow: not really −− any thread may boost, and when that thread sleeps, (if no other thread was boosted) the scheduler unboosts the CPU |
| 19:26:32 | lostlogic | I guess the caveat is what counts as a sleep −− a timed block or a sleep is a sleep. a forever block _is not_ so a thread can wait on IO or similar blocking operations without a timeout but keep boosted. |
| 19:30:53 | preglow | eh |
| 19:31:00 | preglow | is that intentional? sounds pretty stupid |
| 19:37:52 | obo | is it possible to stop the hard drive from spinning up in the ipod bootloader, before ata_init() is called? |
| 19:38:38 | preglow | obo: anything more happened with the piezo patch? |
| 19:39:21 | obo | no - I don't know what to do with it... it sounds pretty awful without using the timer - ticks just aren't short enough |
| 19:40:13 | lostlogic | preglow: yes, intentional −− indefinite waits can be something like a read(), in which case you don't want to be toggling the boost on each side of the read or anything dumb like that |
| 19:40:46 | lostlogic | preglow: any wait which may never return should be timed, and would thereby de-boost |
| 19:41:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | obo: Since the iPod Bootloader is a file loaded from disk, doesn't the disk *have* to spin up just to load the bootloader? |
| 19:41:34 | Slasheri | obo: hmm, maybe the second core can be used to generate piezo sounds, for example? |
| 19:41:40 | obo | Paul_the_Nerd: yes, your right, of course... doh! |
| 19:42:20 | lostlogic | has there been any word from dan_a about why his threads wouldn't start on the 2nd core? |
| 19:43:17 | obo | Slasheri: I don't understand how that would help?? |
| 19:44:08 | Slasheri | obo: then we can do very small delays with simple delay loops |
| 19:44:19 | Slasheri | and that would not have impact on playback performance |
| 19:45:14 | obo | something like udelay()? that could be a way around it |
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| 19:45:24 | preglow | anyway, using the user timer for piezo is pretty much out of the question |
| 19:45:32 | preglow | and a tick long piezo beep is better than no beepå |
| 19:45:43 | preglow | i made it sound pretty decent anyway |
| 19:45:44 | Slasheri | obo: yes, exactly. Someething not involving any system/kernel calls |
| 19:46:15 | obo | preglow: it sounded like a bag full of something nasty when I tried :) |
| 19:47:15 | preglow | the api should stay the same anyway, i'm in favour of gutting out the user timer code and commiting it |
| 19:47:18 | Slasheri | obo: using the second core, it's practically possible to generate almost anything from the piezo |
| 19:47:21 | preglow | then we can do something fancy in time |
| 19:47:24 | obo | preglow: I also need to do something with the queues - they're going to overflow like mad at the moment with the wheell |
| 19:47:31 | Slasheri | even put some music coming out of it if one desires :D |
| 19:47:42 | obo | midi piezo? ;) |
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| 19:48:12 | Slasheri | for example, or playing back the current song from the piezo.. not very high quality but should be possible ;) |
| 19:49:25 | Slasheri | just writing a variable frequency pwm audio driver ;) |
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| 19:53:20 | preglow | sure |
| 19:53:26 | preglow | people did that all the time in old pc stuff |
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| 19:57:57 | Soap | The forums aren't really a proper place to discuss RMAA test results of basic DAP performance (as compared to OF vs. Rockbox). Would adding a wiki page for them be ok, or too far off topic? |
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| 19:58:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | For OF vs RB, a Wiki page is exactly appropriate |
| 19:59:04 | Soap | I didn't explain myself well, I grok that, |
| 19:59:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | For overall DAP performance, which firmware would you test in? |
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| 20:00:06 | Soap | I'm curious about the low-impedance problem with the ipods, and was going to do a set of RMAA test with various loads, and wondered if posting those tests in the wiki were too far off-topic. |
| 20:00:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | If you're just testing the hardware itself, as long as *all* tests are done in Rockbox, that's fine I'd say. |
| 20:00:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | It'd be nice to know the sonic merits and flaws of any given hardware under Rockbox, I think |
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| 21:17:16 | * | petur wonders how iriver detects usbotg device plugin. Through the controller or through a GPIO connection |
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| 21:19:06 | petur | amiconn: did you add more info to your ida pro database (regarding usbotg)? I lost my edited copy in a disk crash :( |
| 21:19:32 | XavierGr | petur: another disk crash? |
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| 21:19:41 | petur | no, still the same one |
| 21:19:47 | petur | one is enough |
| 21:20:45 | petur | but it contained all my rockbox stuff, I just found out that includes my ida pro database of the h340 firmware :( |
| 21:23:02 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
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| 21:25:50 | * | petur slaps Nimdae around a bit with a pink cow |
| 21:27:26 | Nimdae | ooo a PINK cow |
| 21:27:30 | Nimdae | oh crap |
| 21:27:35 | Nimdae | i didn't take my medication yesterday |
| 21:27:38 | * | goffa wonders what breed is pink |
| 21:28:13 | goffa | oh.. wait.. the kind that make strawberry quick |
| 21:28:40 | ze | mmm, strawberry cows |
| 21:28:59 | ze | do they have fruity beef? |
| 21:29:10 | * | goffa wonders |
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| 21:29:58 | Nimdae | ok, i've finally decided that i want a tattoo, i've decided what i want it to be and where to put it |
| 21:30:22 | goffa | back side of an elephant around your belly button? |
| 21:30:23 | Nimdae | a smiley face on my palm |
| 21:30:31 | goffa | lol |
| 21:30:59 | * | goffa saw the elephant one in a movie .. dirty carnival i believe |
| 21:31:08 | Nimdae | i've seen variations on that |
| 21:31:14 | Nimdae | like a cow |
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| 21:31:24 | Nimdae | and goatse |
| 21:31:39 | goffa | ew |
| 21:32:10 | Nimdae | http://www.davesdaily.com/pictures/145-monkeytattoo.htm |
| 21:32:32 | goffa | i like the guy that came up with the idea of a $100 bill on his unit... |
| 21:33:01 | goffa | he could watch his money grow... and every time his wife wanted to blow $100, he knew where to direct her |
| 21:33:33 | Nimdae | lol |
| 21:33:34 | goffa | that's about what theelephant looked like |
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| 21:42:30 | goffa | hmm... shows up.. doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 21:44:18 | goffa | time to see if i applied the right patch |
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| 21:49:11 | Spida | how many pixels does the display of the iriver H3X0 have? |
| 21:49:22 | Spida | 320x240? |
| 21:49:33 | Genre9mp3 | 220x176 |
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| 21:59:45 | goffa | ah... i see my problem.. rtf-post |
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| 22:05:50 | Spida | thx |
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| 22:07:51 | goffa | lol.. anyone feeling altruistic? i'd like to get rubberglove's patch working on the x5 ...http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2653 |
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| 22:25:59 | petur | goffa: read the comment from mmmm (18 september) |
| 22:34:01 | goffa | yeah.. he did it for the h140 |
| 22:34:15 | goffa | i'm playing with the x5 keymap.. but i'm not a programmer |
| 22:34:27 | goffa | so this could get interesting .. even if it is *simple* |
| 22:34:38 | petur | it's one way of becoming one ;) |
| 22:34:46 | goffa | true |
| 22:35:03 | goffa | not the easy way.. lol.. but its a way |
| 22:35:21 | goffa | then again.. if there was an easy way.. i'd just spend an evening and do it |
| 22:35:49 | SoulDeaD | goffa |
| 22:35:56 | SoulDeaD | ther?s no easy way |
| 22:36:02 | SoulDeaD | everything is hard |
| 22:36:07 | goffa | SoulDeaD: that's what i was saying |
| 22:36:48 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 22:37:16 | SoulDeaD | i say that there?s no such thing as ?the easy way? |
| 22:37:35 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 22:37:56 | goffa | yeah.. that's why i'm not a programmer after reading the back cover of sam's teach yourself c in 30 seconds |
| 22:38:23 | goffa | i've tried sleeping with my head on the book.. osmosis didn't seem to help |
| 22:38:25 | goffa | he he he |
| 22:38:47 | goffa | going to try the "C pill" next |
| 22:39:02 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 22:40:04 | petur | goffa: you only need to edit keymap-x5.c and add the ACTION_TREE_INSERT entry as it is done for keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c. The fiels are in /apps/keymaps/ |
| 22:40:14 | goffa | yeah.. |
| 22:40:18 | goffa | that's what i'm trying |
| 22:40:22 | petur | s/fiels/files |
| 22:40:30 | goffa | going to boot the player now to see if it worked |
| 22:40:34 | SoulDeaD | goffa don?t listen to him |
| 22:40:41 | SoulDeaD | try "C pill" |
| 22:40:42 | SoulDeaD | :) |
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| 22:41:20 | goffa | i think it worked |
| 22:41:27 | SoulDeaD | cool :) |
| 22:41:39 | goffa | now to southern engineer my first patch.. lol |
| 22:42:24 | JoeTermini | yo guys, when i use the |
| 22:42:27 | goffa | i didn't play with the remote.. because .. well.. i don't have one |
| 22:43:06 | JoeTermini | when i use the "make" command when i try to compile, i get a ton of errors about clock skews. Any ideas? |
| 22:43:27 | SoulDeaD | make clean |
| 22:43:31 | SoulDeaD | reconfigure |
| 22:43:34 | SoulDeaD | make again |
| 22:43:53 | JoeTermini | i tried that |
| 22:44:01 | JoeTermini | wait, reconfigure? |
| 22:44:08 | petur | JoeTermini: the files are on a FAT partition? |
| 22:44:14 | SoulDeaD | run tools/configure again |
| 22:44:15 | JoeTermini | yes |
| 22:44:17 | SoulDeaD | that?s what i mean |
| 22:44:18 | JoeTermini | oh |
| 22:44:20 | JoeTermini | yeah i did that |
| 22:44:30 | JoeTermini | yeah i did that |
| 22:44:31 | SoulDeaD | do you use cvs sources? |
| 22:44:33 | JoeTermini | yes |
| 22:44:46 | SoulDeaD | what target? |
| 22:44:55 | JoeTermini | what do you mean |
| 22:45:03 | petur | FAT only has a 2 second resolution... got an NTFS or other partition somewhere? |
| 22:45:08 | SoulDeaD | which device do you build for |
| 22:45:17 | Bagder | that doesn't matter |
| 22:45:25 | petur | or maybe you need a more recent make? |
| 22:45:39 | JoeTermini | ipod 5g |
| 22:45:45 | * | petur tries to remember the discussion from some days ago |
| 22:45:53 | SoulDeaD | just a sec |
| 22:45:58 | JoeTermini | k |
| 22:45:59 | SoulDeaD | i?l try with my sources |
| 22:46:19 | Bagder | the key is FAT and some specific make version iirc |
| 22:46:27 | petur | make -v |
| 22:46:52 | SoulDeaD | JoeTermini ipod video, right? |
| 22:46:56 | JoeTermini | yes |
| 22:47:31 | petur | JoeTermini: what version does make-v say? |
| 22:47:34 | JoeTermini | with the make -v command, i got GNU make 3.81 |
| 22:47:47 | obo | any way to use .LOW_RESOLUTION_TIME? |
| 22:47:57 | JoeTermini | ? |
| 22:48:18 | JoeTermini | make -v also says "built for i686-pc-cygwin" |
| 22:48:29 | SoulDeaD | 3.81 is ok |
| 22:48:31 | SoulDeaD | i use that |
| 22:48:48 | petur | JoeTermini: only got FAT partitions? |
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| 22:50:37 | goffa | uh oh... the world will never be the same, i just upped my patch |
| 22:50:45 | goffa | first ever |
| 22:50:54 | BHSPitLappy | oops. |
| 22:51:35 | * | goffa googles for "C pill" |
| 22:52:00 | petur | amiconn: did you add lot of info to your h300 ida pro file regarding isp1362? |
| 22:52:39 | SoulDeaD | goffa, greetings |
| 22:53:02 | SoulDeaD | i am a professional programmer and still don?t have one |
| 22:53:04 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 22:54:18 | * | goffa wonders if he takes 3 will that make him well versed in c++ |
| 22:54:38 | SoulDeaD | haha |
| 22:54:43 | SoulDeaD | maybe :) |
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| 22:56:51 | goffa | shit!!!! |
| 22:57:11 | petur | not here please ;) |
| 22:57:18 | goffa | my cat chewed up my e5c cord |
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| 22:58:44 | SoulDeaD | that?s why i don?t have one.... |
| 22:59:16 | goffa | i didn't want one... long story.. but my sister broke up with her boyfriend... i wound up with the cat |
| 22:59:38 | SoulDeaD | hahaha |
| 22:59:39 | SoulDeaD | nice |
| 22:59:55 | SoulDeaD | just keep it away from you things |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:05 | SoulDeaD | ether the cat or the things :) |
| 23:02:46 | goffa | guess so.. the cat has never bothered my stuff before |
| 23:02:58 | goffa | wondering if i can get shure to repair them |
| 23:03:13 | SoulDeaD | what?s e5c? |
| 23:03:20 | bluet | i bet that's why you got it |
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| 23:04:34 | * | SoulDeaD goodnight all |
| 23:04:47 | goffa | shure e5c are canalphones |
| 23:04:52 | goffa | like $350 |
| 23:05:05 | rasher | Well, audio coords are not exactly rocket science (despite what some people would like to have you believe) |
| 23:05:41 | * | petur knows people who spend a lot of money on speaker cable |
| 23:05:42 | goffa | i know.. but when you have a $350 pair of phones you don't exactly want a spliced-together piece of shit |
| 23:05:46 | * | Genre9mp3 agrees with rasher |
| 23:06:26 | rasher | goffa: True, but if that's the only option (ie. Shure won't fix them), it's not the end of the world |
| 23:06:59 | goffa | yeah.. i know |
| 23:07:03 | goffa | was contemplating upgrading too |
| 23:07:04 | rasher | petur: Do you punch your friends a lot? |
| 23:07:16 | goffa | just didn't want to do it right now |
| 23:07:17 | rasher | Wait, you didn't refer to them as friends. |
| 23:07:23 | goffa | if you know what i mean |
| 23:07:26 | petur | rasher: no never, why? |
| 23:07:48 | rasher | petur: I would, if they spent a lot of money on speaker cable |
| 23:08:01 | rasher | Unless they were setting up a recording studio or something |
| 23:08:25 | petur | they're audio freaks (got a room in the house with tilted ceiling,... |
| 23:08:47 | rasher | Maybe you should sell them some cable elevators |
| 23:09:29 | rasher | http://www.whiprush.org/2006/02/better_sound_th.html |
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| 23:10:01 | petur | lol |
| 23:10:25 | rasher | The link at the bottom is priceless |
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| 23:11:03 | rasher | This is great. $9,000 for speaker cable? Apparently, these cables measure well in 'articulation response', and balance the 'holy trinity' of electrical properties. For $9,000, I would certainly expect my cables to 'measure well', even in ways which no-one has heard of before. I'm not even sure I'd pay that kind of money for the holy trinity. All three of 'em. In one room. |
| 23:11:04 | goffa | wish i had the link.. i saw a site that was selling "true audiophile gear" wooden knobs were like $10,000 |
| 23:11:34 | Genre9mp3 | audiofools.... |
| 23:11:55 | bluet | I was skeptical just like you, but now I can hear all my sound haze free. I'm especially impressed with the porcelain isolator technology and the non-conductive glaze. I'll never let my cable touch the floor again, I had no idea how much sound the floor can absorb. |
| 23:11:56 | rasher | http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C |
| 23:12:14 | rasher | goffa: It's a steal at only $485 |
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| 23:12:35 | ender` | goffa: didn't dan's data link to that? |
| 23:12:37 | rex | can u use rockbox on creative zen |
| 23:12:46 | rasher | rex: Nope |
| 23:12:48 | goffa | lol.. that's cheap rasher |
| 23:12:57 | goffa | ender`: i think so |
| 23:13:01 | Bagder | you can store the rockbox zip on the zen's disk, but that's about all ;) |
| 23:13:20 | rex | o |
| 23:13:24 | rex | thnx |
| 23:13:25 | goffa | i was going to get new headphones.. i think i'll get a wooden knob instead |
| 23:13:28 | goffa | :) |
| 23:14:21 | rasher | Oh wait, you need two |
| 23:14:35 | rasher | So that's $970 |
| 23:14:43 | goffa | yeah.. in case the sonic qualites of the one goes bad |
| 23:14:47 | goffa | ie my cat eats it |
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| 23:15:05 | petur | one will do, just bang it on the head hard enough and you'll hear some very special sounds |
| 23:15:14 | rasher | goffa: No, it's for the $3780 volume control box which needs two knobs |
| 23:15:47 | rasher | Also fits the $6820 volume control box. |
| 23:17:13 | goffa | pfft |
| 23:17:14 | rasher | I'm amazed that a) there are people who would buy this b) these people are capable of doing anything but drool om themselves |
| 23:17:21 | * | petur whispers something about a fool and his money... |
| 23:17:46 | goffa | yeah.. i'm with peter |
| 23:17:53 | goffa | i'm in the wrong rackett |
| 23:18:57 | goffa | sent the message off... told them about the cat, asked how much it would be to repair... then asked if they had a trade in/upgrade policy |
| 23:19:07 | goffa | guessing probably too much to repair.. and no |
| 23:21:23 | goffa | at least i have my ety's to fall back on |
| 23:21:30 | amiconn | petur: Only very little, if anything |
| 23:21:43 | Genre9mp3 | rasher... thanks for the priceless link! :) |
| 23:21:51 | goffa | lol |
| 23:21:53 | petur | amiconn: :( |
| 23:22:06 | amiconn | I don't deem this ida stuff too helpful. |
| 23:22:23 | amiconn | A simple disasm listing would do if done by a clueful disassembler |
| 23:22:24 | goffa | i should find out who buys that.. i've got some extra-strength placebo's for them |
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| 23:22:38 | rasher | Genre9mp3: holy christ. I don't posses the words to describe how retarded that is |
| 23:22:53 | amiconn | Anyway, we have the chip docs, and we know how it's hooked up |
| 23:23:07 | amiconn | I don't think we need further help from the disassembly |
| 23:23:20 | petur | amiconn: it's that last thing I wonder about |
| 23:23:59 | amiconn | Disassembly is helpful for finding out low level stuff, but not for complex stuff like an usb stack |
| 23:24:08 | petur | that Philips guy that's helping me a bit said it's not normal to connect ID to the microcontroller |
| 23:24:50 | petur | you'd expect usb pin 4 (ID) is monitored. if not by isp1362, then maybe it's connected to a GPIO? |
| 23:25:12 | petur | which would explain why a device is detected immediately |
| 23:25:34 | amiconn | For example, I found that chip select detail (setting SWE in the ide control regs) without the disassembly, but thorugh reading of the coldfire datasheet |
| 23:25:42 | amiconn | *thorough |
| 23:25:57 | petur | we're not all that good ;) |
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| 23:26:30 | amiconn | The disassembly is a lot of back & forth jumping. Almost looks like spaghetti |
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| 23:26:47 | petur | compilers, eh? |
| 23:27:26 | ipodfoo | Sorry to butt in. Is it possible to get write permissions to edit the wiki? ive registered etc and noticed a few spellings on wiki. Cheers. |
| 23:27:27 | amiconn | Well, in fact I wonder why it's so spaghetti. At least the low-level driver routines look very unoptimised, almost like gcc -O0 |
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| 23:29:04 | goffa | anyone know where the left to wps is? |
| 23:29:13 | goffa | searching the plugins not having much luck |
| 23:29:18 | goffa | er patches |
| 23:30:22 | petur | ipodfoo: wiki name? |
| 23:30:31 | ipodfoo | BillyBlair |
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| 23:31:42 | petur | ipodfoo: done. |
| 23:31:55 | ipodfoo | many thanks petur. |
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| 23:37:16 | ipodfoo | Just out of interest, do we stick with US english spelling or UK spelling for wiki? |
| 23:37:30 | petur | UK iirc |
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| 23:39:12 | bluet | "Although it is not yet fully understood scientifically, the phenomenon of "cable break-in" has been experienced by many audiophiles." |
| 23:39:15 | bluet | Hmmm. |
| 23:39:18 | bluet | "Although it is not yet fully understood scientifically, the phenomenon of "gullibility" has been experienced by many audiophiles." |
| 23:39:20 | bluet | hahah |
| 23:40:11 | goffa | my headphones experienced cable break in today |
| 23:40:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | break-in or just break? |
| 23:40:42 | bluet | is it fully understood scientifically? |
| 23:40:43 | goffa | well .... probably break |
| 23:40:55 | bluet | break-off |
| 23:41:38 | midgey34 | barrywardell: i've got a patch for you |
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| 23:44:32 | barrywardell | midgey34: great thanks. can you send it to me? |
| 23:44:42 | amiconn | petur: Iiuc the ID bit just selects the default role of the isp1362. So iriver chose to control this from the cpu instead of the plug type |
| 23:44:54 | midgey34 | barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6315 |
| 23:46:45 | barrywardell | i'll test it in a few minutes, thanks |
| 23:47:43 | midgey34 | all right, like i said in the comments, the hwcodec sims wont actually output any sound for me |
| 23:49:06 | amiconn | midgey34: The hwcodec sims never actually played music |
| 23:49:22 | amiconn | They only pretend to play and simulate some peak activity |
| 23:49:33 | midgey34 | oh, well then good |
| 23:49:38 | midgey34 | i didnt break anything :) |
| 23:50:16 | amiconn | The playback in the swcodec sims is a post-addition that goes beyond the original purpose of the sims |
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| 23:50:44 | amiconn | It used to be an UI simulator only (hence rockboxui) |
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| 23:52:39 | theone | hello |
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| 23:53:28 | theone | Does rockbox recharge the iRiver H340 without the AC adapter plugged in? |
| 23:53:41 | theone | That's what's happening. |
| 23:54:02 | rasher | This sounds unlikely |
| 23:54:10 | theone | Battery Voltage went from 3.40V to 3.86V |
| 23:54:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | theone: You mean USB charging? |
| 23:54:15 | rasher | Unless you just discovered free energy, or I'm reading your question wrong |
| 23:54:34 | theone | Basically I would run to a full charge, use it a coupel of hours and the unit just shuts off |
| 23:54:51 | theone | I can try to power it on, but battery voltage is around 3.40-ish |
| 23:54:59 | theone | and turns off while in the Rockbox logo screen |
| 23:55:04 | barrywardell | midgey34: what's the purpose of removing the #include <sys/param.h> |
| 23:55:05 | theone | I wait about 3 hours |
| 23:55:12 | theone | now the battery is at 3.86V |
| 23:55:28 | midgey34 | barrywardell: no point really, it just seemed unneeded, i sorta removed it on a whim |
| 23:55:42 | theone | the battery indicator display went from really low to about 80% in other words |
| 23:55:51 | midgey34 | it actually should propably be left in, since i dont really know its purpose |
| 23:56:29 | theone | and when I say "wait", I mean just turn it off and leave it sitting without anything plugged in |
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| 23:56:54 | voyeur | hello |
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| 23:57:09 | petur | theone: maybe the battery just recovered a bit - it's just chemicals you know |
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| 23:57:26 | barrywardell | midgey34: it should probably be kept separate from your patch anyway |
| 23:57:32 | midgey34 | true |
| 23:57:37 | rasher | theone: Any temperature changes? |
| 23:57:56 | theone | oops I meant about 50% not 80% |
| 23:58:08 | voyeur | i wondered when a project is commited to releases and daily builds ?daily builds |
| 23:58:17 | theone | petur & rasher, maybe...I was outside and it's around 40ish and inside it's around 70s |
| 23:58:24 | theone | (Fahrenheit) |
| 23:58:34 | rasher | That might explain it |
| 23:58:56 | barrywardell | midgey34: i wonder about those multiple definition warnings |
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