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#rockbox log for 2006-11-12

00:00:15midgey34barrywardell: hmm, thats odd, i thought i added it, its just an empty file
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00:00:26barrywardellamiconn: i'm quite surprised by that. i plan to look into it
00:00:33Paul_the_Nerdtheone: The fact that your battery only lasts a few hours at a full charge implies that it's fairly low capacity these days, somewhat old, so it's not as shocking as it could be.
00:00:34barrywardellat a glance, i couldn't see why
00:00:34theoneThe main thing is that after a full charge it automatically shut down after about 2 hours (restarting[when possible] displays a very low battery level)
00:00:37*petur spots the ByteHunter :)
00:00:45*amiconn is somewhat demotivated to work on rockbox atm :(
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00:01:07peturamiconn: ?
00:01:13theonePaul_the_Nerd, a bad battery?
00:01:13barrywardellamiconn: really i think what needs to be done is a full reworking of the power management mess
00:01:29barrywardellmidgey34: np. just wondering
00:01:34preglowbarrywardell: in what way is it a mess?
00:01:39Paul_the_Nerdtheone: A proper H300 battery should last greater than 16 hours in Rockbox playing MP3s under decent conditions.
00:02:02theone I have also had a lot of lockups too
00:02:14theonethat only a paper-clip reset fixed
00:02:16Paul_the_NerdAre you running a recent official build?
00:02:17barrywardellpreglow: i think it's overly complilcated in ways. the first time i looked at the code it took me a long while to figure out what's going on
00:02:19amiconnpreglow: Look at powermgmt.c and you'll see
00:02:39amiconnbarrywardell: It's partly because of the different charging stragies
00:03:11amiconnWe have 3 battery systems and 4 levels of control for charging
00:03:12Soaptheone: are you the one who posted that batterybench log in the forums recently?
00:03:14theonePaul_the_Nerd, yup: version says: 061107-1937
00:03:30theoneSoap, nope
00:03:43amiconn(a) NiMH (b) Alkaline (+ optional NiMH) (c) LiIon/LiPoly
00:03:59barrywardellamiconn: yes, maybe it will always be complicated because of the different hardware. i wish it were simpler though
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00:04:07obopreglow: I've updated the piezo patch, removing the timer
00:04:14preglowobo: yeah, saw, will look at when i can
00:04:19theoneI think that was a CVS build
00:04:19midgey34speaking power, my h320 shuts off randomly (seems like when the disk spins up)
00:04:27midgey34does that sound like a loose connection?
00:04:30theonemidgey, same here
00:04:49theone(h340 though)
00:04:53Soapsounds like voltage drop under load for sure.
00:05:13midgey34ah, mine did it randomly a few months ago, it just became more frequent recently
00:05:18rasherOld battery?
00:05:34midgey34im planning on replacing it anyway
00:05:40midgey34the battery i mean
00:05:40amiconn(1) no charging at all (Ondio, iFP) (2) pure hardware charging with no dedicated monitoring, only voltage (h1x0, player) (3) hardware charging with dedicated monitoring (h300, ipod 4G and up, recorder fm/v2) (4) software controlled charging (recorder v1)
00:06:09theoneMine is new...(to me:))...bought used on eBay
00:06:25rasherSounds like replacing the battery would be a good thing to do
00:06:49rasherA decent battery can be had for very cheap
00:07:01rasherA good one for not quite as cheap
00:07:13amiconnbarrywardell: The worst thing is that the software controlled charging algorithm is pretty sophisticated, but still doesn't perform very well
00:07:17theoneSo is mine just an isolated case? People haven't been reporting random forced shutdowns lately?
00:07:36Paul_the_Nerdtheone: Not in the forums or on the patch tracker.
00:07:38rasherNot that I've noticed
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00:08:29midgey34theone: theres one on the forums, plus you and i
00:08:38amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: Btw, why do I get "reported post" mails from time to time?
00:08:44*amiconn just got one today
00:08:59rasherYeah, from someone who meant to press "reply", rather than report too
00:09:02oboamiconn: only ipod-video has CONFIG_CHARGING defined - should it be enabled for some of the other ipods?
00:09:11SoapI got one today also.
00:09:14Paul_the_Nerdamiconn, rasher: I'm not really sure why, honestly.
00:09:33amiconnobo: It needs testing.
00:09:36barrywardellamiconn: yes, i've found out the hard way how complicated the charging/power mangement system is in RB
00:09:38Paul_the_NerdApparently one of the abilities I've given devs and experts (probably the ability to delete posts) also entitles you to receive reports.
00:09:39rasherSMF seems like a whole barrel of strange
00:09:42*Paul_the_Nerd will look into that.
00:10:01SoapI actually don't think I have the ability to delete posts.
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00:10:13Paul_the_NerdSoap: Actually, experts can only lock, I believe.
00:10:21Soapor else that llorean character would be down below 1000 again ;)
00:11:08theonemidgey34, are you talking about this thread:
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00:12:13*Paul_the_Nerd isn't sure.
00:12:57Paul_the_NerdThe only power I'm unsure of is the "Moderate Board" one, which allows replies to locked topics, and may also qualify you as "moderators." I'll investigate further later and see if I can do something about not spamming y'all.
00:13:11theoneI guess a battery upgrade is my only option for now; but it does shut down randomly - sometimes while music is playing w/o me touching anything, sometimes while in the file browser, etc..
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00:14:47barrywardellamiconn: i'll have a look at what i can do to reduce the size for devices that shouldn't power off, or maybe even try to tidy up powermmgmt.c in general
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00:14:56theone"and if I try to start it again, I cannot got further than the Rockbox splash screen, I have to wait fifteen minutes to start the player correctly" <−−- kind of like what I originally asked (does rb recharge the battery)
00:15:08barrywardelli think the changes were very neccesary for LiIon players though
00:15:41*petur reproduces a play lockup bug...
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00:16:41theoneI guess new batteries aren't that bad nowadays (WRT price)
00:18:07theoneThanks for the advice, new battery it is
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00:23:27*petur hates the fact that flyspray forgets about what you typed if you go back into a form
00:24:25barrywardellmidgey34: just using the dummy file works great. I'll commit that but leave the param.h and warnings alone if that's ok?
00:24:36midgey34sounds fine
00:25:22barrywardellif you ever find out how to fix those warnings, i'd be glad to hear about it
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00:27:12midgey34i think i has something to do with the dynamiclib flag, but i really have no idea
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00:31:15barrywardelli'd also love to find out why closing the simulator is so broken
00:32:23midgey34it could be related to the warnings, but i dont really know
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00:36:07barrywardellmidgey34: committed. should i leave the task open for the other two parts of the patch?
00:36:30midgey34umm i dont think thats necessary, do you?
00:36:57barrywardellno, not really. i'll close it
00:37:24midgey34yay, the commit didnt break anything
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01:14:10JdGordonis the middle of the scroll thing on the e200 a button?
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01:14:24JdGordonits marked with 5 on the sim, but doesnt act like i exect from the select button?
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01:16:48barrywardellJdGordon: yes
01:16:48JdGordoncrap the gigabeats screen is huge :p
01:16:59JdGordonyes it is a button?
01:17:03barrywardellit works like a select button
01:17:17JdGordonok, must be something wrong with the sim then?
01:17:19barrywardellthe button mappings for the sansa are still pretty messed up
01:18:07barrywardellthey need to be tested and adjusted. someone posted suggestions for an improved version on the forums
01:18:22JdGordonah ok
01:19:53JdGordonis that the same for the h10? num 5 doesnt seem to be acting as select
01:20:20barrywardellthere is no select on the h10
01:21:03barrywardelland a lot of the keymaps for the sansa were copied from the h10 as a starting point
01:21:08*goffa wonders if the gigabeat screen is 9:16
01:23:01goffai guess that's jumping the gun though
01:23:24goffaaudio has to come first :)... the boys at #gigabeat seem to be making a lot of progress though
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01:26:05JdGordoni love how every single target seems to have different defaults in the sim
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01:26:28pawl90hi there can anyone tell me how to make the dictionary on rockbox work? i cannot fin those converter files i am supposed to have
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01:26:43barrywardellJdGordon: what do you mean?
01:27:18JdGordonthe ifp uses the > mark for current selection, the ipod has a much darker blue background, other small but noticable stuff
01:27:44Paul_the_NerdWhich iPod?
01:27:49Paul_the_NerdDarker blue compared to what?
01:28:12JdGordonthe color/photo target, compared to the other sim targets
01:28:13pawl90i looked at a page on the rockbox wiki and it said get these prolog files from wordnet and run a program, i have the files from wordnet, but i don't have or rdf2binary
01:29:00rasherpawl90: Those files are in the tools/ dir of the rockbox source
01:29:07rasherAlso, ugh prolog
01:29:58pawl90ok. thanks very much
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01:41:08Jack__I'm trying to make a theme, but the progress bar on the WPS starts to duplicate itself near the end of each track. Any ideas why?
01:42:03Nimdaesetting the end too far?
01:42:18Jack__What do you mean?
01:42:53Nimdaeyou set the start and end in the line for it
01:43:01Nimdaei can't remember the line offhand, at work :S
01:43:26JdGordonanyone with a recorder/player handy?
01:44:31Jack__The line I was using is '%pb|14|8|8|' but the progress bar will just run right off the screen.
01:45:53Nimdaei dunno then
01:45:59Nimdaehaven't run into that problem myself
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01:53:45Jack__Nimdae: I got it, that last eight was causing the problem, and should have been 168. I thought it was how many pixels from the right, and now how many from the left (I believe that's how it works)
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01:55:51rasherSo you were making a 0 pixel wide progressbar
01:55:56rasherThat'll confuse it good
01:56:22Jack__Yes, that I believe was the problem, but this was my first time trying to make a theme
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02:09:35ipodpatcherHELPCan anyone help me out with ipodpatcher?
02:10:37Paul_the_NerdWhat problem are you having?
02:11:16ipodpatcherHELPHey Paul, its the same one. WHat LIVE cd where you rocomending?
02:11:54Paul_the_NerdI don't really have a recommendation.
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02:12:53ipodpatcherHELPWell I can't get ipodpatcher to detect my ipod, What should I try to do?!
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02:13:51Paul_the_NerdWhat sort of iPod was it?
02:14:35Paul_the_NerdPhoto/Color, or Grayscale?
02:14:46ipodpatcherHELP$g gray scale and im on ME
02:14:51Paul_the_NerdOh, right.
02:15:11Paul_the_NerdAs I said, I'd recommend trying it on an actually modern operating system.
02:15:16ipodpatcherHELPYou told me to use the LIVECD but there are so many
02:15:23Paul_the_NerdKnoppix, then.
02:15:42ipodpatcherHELPokay, I'll try it out
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03:08:00JdGordoncan one with any target other than hxxx and ipod please test ?
03:10:10PaulJamJdGordon: during you button rework, did you change the behaviour that left now exits the view io ports screen? i think previously it was only exited on release of the off/stop button.
03:10:45JdGordonPaulJam: yes, thats possibly one of the byproducts
03:11:05JdGordonshould that screen go back to origional button code?
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03:12:26PaulJamnow you can't view the ADC_BUTTONS value of the left button, but i can also install an older build to find out the value.
03:12:54JdGordonno, i tihnk it should go back..
03:13:00JdGordonthats an important screen
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03:19:11JdGordondoes anyone know the wiki page with the pics of the different iriver remotes?
03:21:18pawl90hi anyone, i am trying to make the dictionary work on my ipod, i tried to compile rdf2binary.c, i get the error "Error: c:\rdf2binary\rdf2binary.c: 70 operands of < have illegal types 'pointer to struct_iobuf' and 'int'"
03:21:27pawl90it comes up twice if that makes any difference
03:22:53JdGordonumm... have you edited the file?
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03:23:06JdGordonif your on linux i can send you the compiled verison, i dnt get those probles
03:23:21pawl90nope srry im windows. no havn't edited it
03:23:41JdGordonhmm... sorry, cant help you
03:23:55pawl90the error is in the line " if (in == NULL || idx_out < 0 || desc_out < 0)" apparently
03:24:07pawl90if anyone can see what is wrong with that
03:25:06daurn|laptopJdGordon: do you have a CF card i can borrow
03:25:17Slasherithat does not make any sense..
03:25:25Slasheripawl90: are you using gcc? which version?
03:26:06pawl90im usin lcc
03:26:12pawl90shud i have gcc?
03:26:21Slasherioh, in fact it does make sense
03:26:34Slasheriidx_out == NULL || desc_out == NULL
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03:26:40Slasheriyou need to fix that
03:26:51Slasherithat line is incorrect..
03:27:02pawl90ok. whats wrong wit it?
03:27:37Slasherithose fd:s are not ints but pointers to FILE struct
03:27:55pawl90srry i hav no programming knowledge can u just tell me what 2 put?
03:28:12Slasheriif (in == NULL || idx_out == NULL || desc_out == NULL)
03:28:15Slasherichange it that way
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03:30:11Slasheria fix committed, now trying to sleep more :)
03:35:17pawl90thanks slasheri, dictionary works perfectly
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04:30:58flyinghippoHm... 5.5G iPods aren't supported, are they? :\
04:31:16short1hey i got a little problem...
04:31:31short1u guys ready?
04:31:57Paul_the_NerdIt's not like the text disappears after you type it if we don't read it quickly enough.
04:32:21short1well i recently downloaded the newest daily build for my jbr20
04:32:40short1and with my broken charger and all i have to charge the batteries seperately
04:33:10short1and after i put them in and turned on the jbr it gave a level of 98%
04:33:22short1it was like that for about 2 hours until i had to turn it off to do something
04:33:39short1then after i turned it back on, my battery level was down to around 20%
04:34:26short1u guys follow that?
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04:34:58Paul_the_NerdUnfortunately, I don't have much knowledge about the JBR.
04:35:04Paul_the_NerdBut, how old are the batteries?
04:35:10short1they r fairly new
04:35:23short1engerizer's NIMH batteries
04:35:35Paul_the_NerdAnd is it a JBR v1?
04:35:55Paul_the_NerdIf you squeeze the bumpers does it turn off / reset?
04:36:10Paul_the_NerdI've heard about loose connections, that can cause battery issues.
04:36:39Paul_the_NerdI don't know where in the wiki the page is, but there's one describing it.
04:37:02short1well this just started last night after i unzipped the nov 10 build
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04:37:33Paul_the_NerdCorrelation does not imply causation.
04:37:43Paul_the_NerdHave you rolled back to the build you had before and confirmed that it goes away?
04:38:26short1not yet, i'm currently charging the batt and i downloaded today's build
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04:59:16JdGordonsending out another ping for anyone with a few min to spare and any target other than the hxxx and ipods...
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05:06:44JdGordonhopefully you mean pong?
05:06:57daurn|laptopplease only respond if you have a few min to spare and any target other than the hxxx and ipods
05:07:07JdGordoncan u test a patch?
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05:44:46wehnanyone else noticed that the logo displayed when USB is connected doesn't follow alternate screen colours anymore?
05:47:12wehnother than that the 20061111 daily seems best yet to me. remote displays don't get mashed, lots little bugs fixed. yay!
05:48:07JdGordonwhich target?
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06:06:33wehnahh. it's already on FS:
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06:37:14homielowehow do I load an dictionary database using dict plugin in rockbox, The wiki hasn't bee updated since deletion about dict
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08:27:44raksliceIs there some kind of plugin for customizing the button functions?
08:28:41scorcheyou can customize it all you want by opening up the source
08:31:19raksliceI'll have to scour the patch list
08:31:22rakslicebasically I want to be able to skip to the next/previous folder in a minimal number of button presses from the playback screen
08:32:18JdGordonshall i assume you have an ipod?
08:32:27raksliceI'm using an archos jukebox recorder
08:32:40JdGordonon+left/right if your lucky
08:33:17JdGordonnope, you cant
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08:34:07rakslicebasically if I got to the current track by navigating to it, I can do on,left,down,right,right
08:38:44raksliceI mean, I understand the significance of keeping backwards compatible with the stock interface...
08:39:02JdGordonwhy do we care about that?
08:39:08raksliceit's just that, well, if I thought the stock interface was okay, I wouldn't be using rockbox
08:39:20JdGordonroockbox is supproted on 7/8 different origioanl firmwares...
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08:59:19midkayJdGordon: 7 out of 8? what?
08:59:35scorchei think he was saying 7-8
08:59:37JdGordon7 or 8... or something
09:01:24*JdGordon is > < <-that close to giving up on the settings rework
09:02:00midkayis that to scale?
09:03:20JdGordonits to _a_ scale...
09:05:36JdGordonscorche: can you test on your recorder?
09:07:08scorchesure...but one question about that patch...
09:07:53scorcheif navi/select/whatever applies change but doesnt exit dir, will hitting left after that cancel that change?
09:08:26JdGordonmorining amiconn
09:08:41amiconnWhat purpose serves "apply but not exit" wrt settings?
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09:08:53amiconnMost settings are 'live'
09:09:17JdGordonthere was a big discussion on the dev ml, that option was the most acceptable
09:09:23amiconnImho Left, Right and Select/Navi/Play should all do the same
09:09:35scorchei would assume it would be nice for EQ on/off and music related items of that nature
09:10:56amiconnFor most settings, pressing Select/Navi would have exactly _no_ effect
09:11:10JdGordonnot with this patch...
09:11:24amiconnThat'd be major irritating
09:11:39JdGordonall the settings are the same with this... they dont get applied untill selecte d(they sstill talk correclty)
09:11:48JdGordonjust use right and it selects and exits
09:12:09JdGordonreply to the dev ml then...
09:12:16amiconnhrrmmm :((
09:12:18*JdGordon is happy putting in options for the options
09:12:27amiconnurgh :(((
09:13:52*amiconn gets severely pissed and wonders where the simplicity of rockbox vanished :(
09:14:19scorchei would think back-cancel select-accept would be much easier and more intuitive
09:14:28*JdGordon thinks amiconn should go back to bed for another few hours and have a proper sunday morning sleep in :p
09:14:44amiconnHey, it's already past 9 am
09:15:05JdGordonI didnt get out of bed till 10.30 this morning :D
09:15:07amiconnE.g. not having the volume change live anymore (or bass or treble or...) makes these settings very unintuitive
09:15:34amiconnI mean _veerrrryy_ unintuitive
09:15:57amiconnSame goes for lcd brightness, contrast....
09:16:28scorchei didnt see anything about it changing to not live...
09:17:08amiconnWhat would be the point of "aceept but not leave" then?
09:17:24amiconnIt wouldn't do anything, as simply moving to that line already sets the option
09:18:07amiconnSame goes for leaving with Left and live settings
09:18:28scorchei dont see a point for it honestly
09:18:41midkayi still think leaving needs to be left.
09:18:46scorcheas do i
09:18:52amiconnThe few settings which are not live are like that for a reason. They require a reboot, or restart of playback, or sth like that
09:19:03amiconnSo even for those "a
09:19:11amiconnccept but not leave" makes no sense
09:19:15midkayi frequently cancel out of settings accidentally. it makes a lot more sense to use left as "this is good, go back to the menu" and something more cancel-like such as OFF/STOP/MENU to cancel.
09:19:26scorchei like the back-cancel select-accept as i seems simplest
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09:19:46amiconnI agree with midkay here
09:19:48midkayback-cancel? not back-accept and leave?
09:20:23scorchewell, simplest assuming cancelling is needed
09:20:27amiconnLeft isn't really associated as cancel, _because_ most settings are live
09:21:02midkayright, i think settings should stay live, left should be "accept and leave" (as well as select). it's more intuitive to have stop or off or menu as cancel.
09:21:22midkayit's like leaving a menu.. left means "go back", but not "forget what i did here".
09:21:45midkayentering and leaving setting screens should be just like navigating the menus.. in and out, up and down.
09:21:50amiconnEver since Left became cancel, I often find myself setting the same setting twice... because I set it, then leave with Left .... ARGH! I didn't want to revert!!, enter again, set it, and the have to force myself to use the illogical button
09:22:09midkayamiconn: exactly the same here. i don't know why it hasn't been changed back yet.
09:22:24scorcheditto as well...i have just gotten used to it i guess
09:22:30Slasherihmm, for some situations it might be nice for settings not to be stored on disk unless explicitly told so. That would make it possible to set some settings for the current session only and after restart, everything would be back again
09:22:34midkayit shouldn't be "in and out" for the menus and then "in and in" for the settings.
09:23:11amiconnMaybe the point here is that Left shouldn't be cancel _because_ settings are live, so as it is now, it doesn't act as "cancel" but rather as "revert", and that's what is illogical
09:24:30amiconnIf we want it to be consistent, Right (and perhaps even Select) don't need to do anything
09:24:40midkayamiconn: yeah... if you're browsing like a sound menu, you set it how you want to hear it and think "okay, this is what i want, i'm done here" and you want to go *back*, you don't really think of saving it since you're already listening to it. if you don't like the change then you're thinking of "cancel" or "revert" and that comes pretty natural as OFF or STOP.
09:25:02scorchei agree
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09:25:17amiconnAt least Right because with Right you enter something in the menu tree... and the individual setting already is the deepest level, so you can enter something there
09:26:21amiconnI never accepted settings with Right before... now I'm forced to
09:26:24midkayindeed.. i think select can save as well in case people want to do that (much like select will enter you into a submenu or setting screen or directory).. using select=save isn't entirely, well, consistent (could be taken to mean 'go deeper') but some people may prefer that.
09:26:44midkayi know select=save has been there for several years at least.
09:27:11amiconnCorrect (other than that it is Play on recorders, but that button has the same placement)
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09:28:48midkayso i think realtime setting applying in conjunction with left = "leave this setting screen, i set it how i want it" and select="i'm ok with this" (both being the same functionality) and off/stop/menu being "cancel out, i don't like this" is how it should really be.
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09:43:28amiconnmidkay: Almost, but in fact the function of Left could be described as 'Get out of here, I'm done' only, absolutely consistent with the rest of the menu tree
09:43:49amiconnLeft doesn't change the setting because it already changed before due to the live nature of the settings
09:43:50midkayfine way to put it.
09:44:44amiconnWhat would be in fact debatable is the function of Off/Stop to revert. This now actually executes 2 functions at once: revert _and_ get out of here
09:45:31amiconnBut I think it's more convenient this way (and cancel/revert is imho a rare operation compared to leave it as I set it)
09:46:24midkaythat's true..
09:54:09Slasherihmm, just found a vorbis files crashing on the target but can't crash it on simulator to get the backtrace..
09:57:04*amiconn just had an idea concerning button actions in plugins
09:57:59amiconnAfaiu, the main problem is that plugins may both want to specify their own contexts _and_ reuse standard core contexts...
09:58:04SlasheriI05:DivX0 at 0x32F0AA2E, but there is not near that location in
09:58:51amiconnso we need a way to allow for both. The core uses context IDs, but we cannot use centrally defined IDs for plugins.
09:59:13amiconnSo what about reusing the virtual pointer idea currently used for the language IDs?
09:59:45amiconnA button ocntext ID would be a plain ID if it falls into a certain, small address range, otherwise it would be a literal pointer
10:00:17amiconnSo plugins could both use the core contexts by using the IDs, and define their own contexts and use the address
10:01:49amiconnWe cannot simply use pointers for all contexts because it would break plugin compatibility with every tiny core change (or we would have to export all core contexts via the plugin api)
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10:20:44JdGordonamiconn: that could work...
10:20:57JdGordonthe bigger problem with the plugins is the lack of generic actions like the core has
10:21:27JdGordonI tihnk we could easily add the directions for all targets, but other buttons are problematic
10:21:54JdGordonI thought about going clockwise around each target giving each button a letter, but realised that wouldnt work well
10:24:44amiconnButton actions in plugins surely aren't that helpful for consistency across plugins, for this to work the plugins have too much differing needs
10:25:52amiconnBut I think using contexts (even if every single plugin has its own context) might still be helpful: it separates the target specific button handling from the actual actions
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10:27:03amiconnIn fact there is only one context that is worth sharing between several plugins imho, and that is the "Move Left/Right/Up/Down, Zoom In/Out" context
10:28:13amiconnHmm, in fact a bunch of simple plugins won't need own contexts
10:29:34JdGordonone thing I started playing with was having a sepearte action handler in the plugin lib, with the basic directions as a context, then each plugin would add its own contexts and reuse others' if they would work... then instead of using the LAST_LIST__NEXT_LIST() macro, the plugin aciton handler would use an array of contexts passed to it by the plugin.. does that makes sense?
10:29:51JdGordonI tinhk that would make it generic enough to not be too much of a hassle
10:30:02JdGordonand powerfull enough for it to work...
10:31:38JdGordonthat might be impossible to keep keymaps from conflicting with eachother tho... maybe not...
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10:33:00amiconnThe separate handler might work...
10:33:34amiconn...but in fact using the virtual pointer idea might not even increase the core action handler code size.
10:34:11amiconnToday there is this custom context bit... which becomes superfluous with virtual pointers
10:34:26JdGordonit would add 1 if() which is nothing... but wouldnt that mean we couldnt group all the keymaps together nicely?
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10:34:49amiconnIn case a core action handler needs a custom context, it would just use a plain pointer like a plugin would
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10:36:14amiconnWhy wouldn't it allow to group contexts together (apart from that I don't know where you want to group 'em)?
10:37:16JdGordonwell, i guess if they were grouped together (i.e in the plugin lib) there might be less work to change over each plugin..
10:37:21JdGordonand i guess so
10:37:47amiconnOk, but why would the virtual pointer idea not allow to do this?
10:38:23JdGordonno, i guess it would.. but could you point from one list to another like you can with the contexts now?
10:38:36amiconnYes of course
10:38:59JdGordonok then, i guess it could work
10:39:03amiconnThis next_list pointer would be such a virtual pointer as well
10:41:39JdGordon... possible problem... if (button&BUTTON_REMOTE) context |= CONTEXT_REMOTE; is done before checking the context.. this could be moved under, but anyway, with virtual pointers you have to put the remote and main keymaps together.. is that a problem?
10:41:48amiconnIn the core, this would even give you the choice whether you link the contexts via their IDs or their address
10:41:48JdGordonremmeber there are 3 different hxxx remotes..
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10:42:46amiconnGood question
10:42:51amiconnNeed to think about it
10:43:01JdGordonno, i tihnk id rather stay with the context ids, the action stuff in the core already has provisions for a function to return the button list from a pointer
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10:54:07JdGordonhmm.... the bubbles plugin looks like an easy one to convert and choose a best mothod.. except it only uses left/right/shoot and start
10:55:24JdGordonbtw, when moving plugins to actions, i tinhk it would be good to get them to use the multi-screen api at the same time
10:55:37JdGordon... and langv2 :p
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11:07:25amiconnThe multi-screen api isn't very usefull for most of the plugins
11:08:10amiconnMost of those which can deal with multiple screens already do so
11:09:08amiconnfor some it's not possible, for others it doesn't make sense
11:09:37amiconnEither way, many plugins use graphics, and these graphics need adjustment for every lcd
11:10:11amiconnThe multi-screen api is about widgets which auto-adapt to the various resolutions and depths
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11:13:36amiconnPlugins using the grayscale library are a very special case. Even though it would be technically possible to implement a remote grayscale library for the iriver remote, it wouldn't be possible to run both the main and remote grayscale overlay at once (but that would be the situation on H1x0)
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11:18:50JdGordonso then back to actions.. which way do we want to do? using context ids we dont need any change to the core.
11:19:46JdGordonand where wold the best place to put a generic directions list? plugins/directions
11:19:50JdGordon_keys.c ?
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12:13:43GnelikWhy calculator on sansa e200 sim has wrong size
12:13:59Gneliknot full width
12:14:05desowin"QT4 app to upload .scrobbler.log or Ipod OF song databases." <- what that 'Ipod OF song databases.' mean ?
12:14:16JdGordonGnelik: probably it hasnt been configured for it yet
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12:14:52JdGordondesowin: i assume it means it can upload your songs listened to in th apple OS as well as ou r .scrobbler.log
12:15:14GnelikIt use
12:15:27Gneliki found it
12:15:32desowinyeah, I wrote QTScrobbler :P but that description is quite strange for me
12:15:41JdGordonoh, haha
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12:24:04JdGordonhey barrywardell, does BUTTON_SCROLL_UP/DOWN generate _REPEAT events?
12:24:50barrywardellyes, at the moment anyway it just works like BUTTON_UP/DOWN
12:24:58JdGordonok, great
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12:48:14XavierGrI fully aggree with amiconn on the options buttons. I always accept settings with left! Pushing right to go back is somewhat weird and most of the times I have to reenter the setting menu to apply my change.
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12:49:25JdGordon:'( i wish the people that objected would go to the mailing list where the discussion is happening
12:50:12BagderI'd say that if people don't object on the list, we can ignore them
12:50:13Genre9mp3JdGordon: add me, too on that list :p
12:50:45Bagderthe dev list *HAVE* to be a central dev resource
12:50:53JdGordonBagder: :)
12:50:53n1sThat's one of the fun comunication problems around here, some people whing on irc others whining on the ml and some others in the forum
12:51:25Genre9mp3so isn't IRC for discussion on such things? I don't quite get it
12:51:34*XavierGr goes to the list!
12:51:37JdGordonthe ml is 100x better than irc purely because discussion can continue without having to wait till people are online
12:51:49Genre9mp3wooo... some XavierGr action!
12:51:56Bagderand not all *can* use IRC all the time
12:51:58XavierGrbut I think I have already said my preference on the list
12:53:00Genre9mp3JdGordon: I agree... the ml is more appropriate for discussing such things... and opinions don't get lost through tons of logs
12:53:47JdGordonBagder: i dont think you have replied to the thread... whats your opinion on the matter?
12:54:25Genre9mp3but you cannot just ignore the fact that many people object on IRC (generally speaking)
12:54:32BagderJdGordon: I don't have time
12:54:37Bagderso I'm neutral
12:55:56JdGordonoh, is langv2 actually ready for plugins yet?
12:56:12Bagderwell, the syntax is there to allow it
12:56:20Bagderbut not a lot more
12:56:41JdGordondoes anyone actually know what still needs to be done?
12:57:09Bagderthat's the old "plan"
12:57:25JdGordonJens brought up the topic of actions in plugins and i figured it would be a good time to try getting langv2 going in them also
12:57:26XavierGryup I just found my reply in the ml :)
12:58:31*JdGordon sees XavierGr's reply, its unfortunalty very outvoted tho :p
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12:58:41barrywardellJdGordon: your settings changes work fine for the H10
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12:59:39JdGordonwb amiconn, ive got a patch for actions in bubbles, and apart from 1 warning i tihnk it works ok
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13:02:32daurn|laptopJdGordon: do you have a CF or SD card?
13:02:49JdGordoni have a few sd's i tihnk
13:02:58JdGordonby I, i mean my dad
13:03:18daurn|laptopcould i borrow one for 30mins? - which in reality is 2 days
13:03:18barrywardellJdGordon: are you planning on adding that delay to show confirmation? i just tried it with a HZ/10 delay and it feels a lot better, especially for new users.
13:04:11JdGordonbarrywardell: well, i dont know if that patch will even make it in... but if it goes in I will add it
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13:05:18JdGordondaurn|laptop: whatcha need it for?
13:06:00daurn|laptopupdating firmware on my neuros OSD
13:06:11barrywardellJdGordon: also, the e200 mapping looks OK. I wouldn't worry about it too much anyway since the e200 doesn't even have a working port yet and most of the button mappings will need to be redone anyway..
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13:21:54Gnelikbarrywardell: i posted normal mapping for e200 in its forum
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13:22:31barrywardellGnelik: yes, I noticed that. but haven't tried them yet. I will try them now
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13:24:17Gnelikbarrywardell:it's like normal e200 firmware do
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13:26:37JoeTerminihey folks, i got a problem with compiling
13:26:52JoeTerminiwhen i try to use the make command, i get "clock skew" errors
13:27:00JoeTerminiand "your build may be incomplete
13:27:07JoeTerminii have a 5g ipod
13:27:14JoeTerminiive tried making clean
13:27:34JoeTerminiand reconfiguring
13:27:39JoeTerminiand rebuilding it
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13:27:47JoeTerminiim using cygwin
13:27:48rasherI've seen "make -v" been mentioned, but I don't know what it does
13:28:01rasherthat'd just version :D
13:28:03JoeTerminiit tells me the version of cygwin
13:28:33JoeTermini*its built for i686-pc-cygwin
13:28:39JoeTerminithats what it says
13:28:51rasherI wonder if Bagder is around
13:30:53JoeTerminiim trying to build it again...
13:31:05JoeTerminiso far so good
13:31:11JoeTerminiaw crap
13:31:46JoeTermini"make[2]: Warning: File `/cygdrive/c/cygwin/home/terminikids/... has modification time 1.2 s in the future
13:31:51JoeTermini1.2 seconds
13:32:11JoeTerminiwould an alternative to cygwin work?
13:33:30oboyou could try the vmware image
13:33:54rasherHaha, are they only warnings though? Or does the build break?
13:34:42rasherDoes the build not complete?
13:34:47JoeTerminiit tells me clock skews, build may be incomplete,
13:34:49JoeTerminiso yes
13:35:10rasherI don't know, there have been a couple of mentions of this
13:35:23rasherif you wait around for a bit, I'm pretty sure someone will be able to help you
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13:36:44rasherJoeTermini: is your clock in fact set correctly?
13:36:54cA1mAnhello, is mp3 albumart display (.jpg and embedded in mp3 tag) supported in rockbox for iPod 5G?
13:36:55JoeTerminimy system clock?
13:37:17JoeTermini(that yeah was to both questions)
13:37:30rashercA1mAn: Not in the official Rockbox, but there's a patch to add albumart display in the tracker
13:37:59JoeTerminiget a custom build
13:38:34cA1mAnrasher: also jpg and embedded?
13:38:40JoeTerminioh wait
13:38:49JoeTerminithere you go
13:38:59rashercA1mAn: no. Just bmp
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13:39:17cA1mAnrasher: :-( pretty useless for me
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13:39:44rasherCan't you just convert to bmp and/or extract the embedded album art?
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13:42:17cA1mAnrasher: well it's possible, but i think it's not too hard to make the patch for jpg, so i will bravely wait :-)
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13:43:02JdGordonping amiconn?
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13:47:22barrywardellGnelik: your keymap looks quite good
13:47:31barrywardella couple of changes i would make though:
13:48:12barrywardellAB should use power+left/right imho
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13:48:58amiconnJdGordon: ...pong
13:49:17JdGordonyou wanna have a look at this bubbles patch?
13:50:03amiconnBusy with other stuff atm
13:50:10amiconntarget tree mainly
13:50:12barrywardellGnelik: I also think play should bring you to the WPS
13:50:22barrywardelland long play should stop playback
13:50:54JdGordonamiconn: ok, fs#6320 when you do have time
13:51:00JdGordonare you moving all of sh across?
13:51:15GnelikWhat to do with PG_UP and PG_DOWN
13:51:16amiconnIt's impossible to move everything at once
13:51:28amiconnAtm I am working on moving the 1 bit bitmap lcd code
13:51:32JdGordonnot impossible.. just painful :p
13:52:02amiconnThat one is shared between archos and ifp
13:53:03barrywardellGnelik: they're necessary, but more of a convenience. i suggest rec+scroll up/down. what do you thing?
13:53:46amiconnJdGordon: I prefer doing this by module rather than by target
13:54:11GnelikGood idea
13:54:22amiconnThe ata transfer routines are another area...
13:55:31Gnelikbarrywardell Keyboard map needs changes to
13:59:03barrywardellok, i'll change that here
14:02:31barrywardellGnelik: i think power should be used to exit pitch and quick screens
14:05:48barrywardelland power should exit the keyboard too
14:06:24Gnelikbarrywardell: yes
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14:07:24Gnelikleft defination ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REL
14:07:31Gnelikin quick screen
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14:18:44barrywardellGnelik: what do you think about the bookmark screen? i was thinking rec for delete since it shouldn't be too easy to do by accident. also, power to exit to be consistent with the other screens?
14:19:20rasherSee this is how things should've been done for the h1x0 as well. Instead, we
14:19:25rasher're now left with this mess
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14:19:46Gnelikbarrywardell: it would be great
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14:34:35My_SicStop the screen screen on ipod could significantly increase the duration of the battery?
14:35:29amiconnA little bit perhaps, but not significantly
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14:37:35barrywardellGnelik: do you think RIGHT should be ACTION_STD_OK as well as/instead of SELECT?
14:38:06barrywardellit's hard to tell in the sim
14:38:52Gnelikits hard to push it sometimes
14:39:17barrywardellso not instead of. how about as well as?
14:39:17Gnelikand i dont think somebodey will use it
14:39:37barrywardelli'll leave it alone until we can test it on a real sansa
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14:43:59Gnelikbarrywardell: how do the work with ata drv going??
14:44:15barrywardelli made some progress last night
14:44:36barrywardellsolved the problem we were having reading the csd/cid
14:44:52barrywardellnow we can properly detect the size of the flash on the sansa
14:45:10barrywardellbut bank switching still doesn't work yet
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14:49:58GnelikDid you rtry to run Rockbox
14:50:04Gnelikwith 4 gb
14:50:11Gnelikwithout swiching
14:50:12joeterminiany ideas
14:50:12joeterminiwhen i try the "make" command when im compiling, i get "clock skew detected" and "build incomplete"
14:50:21joeterminii have a 5g ipod
14:50:31joeterminiive tried make clean
14:50:40joetermininot much is working
14:50:42barrywardellGnelik: i only have an 8gb
14:50:53barrywardellhaven't tried running Rockbox yet
14:51:08barrywardellit doesn't even compile properly yet
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14:52:53joeterminiany ideas for the clock skew?
14:53:34obojoetermini: from your forum post, it seems to be just warnings - have you tried doing a "make install" afterwards and running the sim?
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14:54:16obojoeTermini: from your forum post, it seems to be just warnings - have you tried doing a "make install" afterwards and running the sim?
14:54:52JoeTerminiive tried making a sim and the build
14:54:58JoeTerminii get clock skew on both
14:55:08linuxstbJoeTermini: Are you using a FAT32 partition?
14:55:21rasherJoeTermini: have you tried to go ahead and attempt to run the sim?
14:55:26linuxstbDo you have an NTFS partition you can use? I recall someone saying it's a FAT issue.
14:55:34JoeTerminii cant make the sim
14:55:35rasherThe clock skew is just a warning, it might still work
14:55:39JoeTerminii dont have an ntfs
14:55:50JoeTerminibut it also says build incomplete
14:55:52linuxstbSomething to do with FAT only having a 2 or 3 second filetime accuracy.
14:56:00obono, it says it *might* be incomplete
14:56:29JoeTerminioh yeah
14:56:39JoeTerminiill try running the sim
14:58:01JoeTerminijust ran the make command...
14:58:21JoeTerminilots of .5 seconds in the future
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14:58:51obookay, ignore those... run make install afterwards, then try running rockboxui
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15:05:12JoeTerminiOK: so i ran the sim, and now the sim shows a blank box with the top bar of rockbox
15:05:20rasherThat's the sim
15:05:21JoeTermini(which has the volume, battery exc
15:05:40rasheryou may run it with −−background to get an image of the player with buttons named
15:05:40JoeTerminiit ran, but nothings there
15:05:50rasherWhat did you expect to be there?
15:06:02JoeTerminii thought it would have all the options
15:06:08JoeTerminiive never gotten the sim to work
15:06:10rasherIT does, if you enter the menu
15:06:18rasherIt behaves like Rockbox does
15:06:27JoeTerminii got that
15:06:27rasherThis is the screen you see the first time you start Rockbox
15:06:40rashernow try rockboxui −−background
15:06:44rashershould be slightly helpful
15:08:06JoeTerminiso when i get the same sort of errors when i make the actual build, i can ignore them
15:08:19rasherMore than likely
15:11:59JoeTerminiim compiling a test build now
15:12:06JoeTerminihow do i get the sim to run that build
15:12:10JoeTerminidoes it automatically do it
15:12:18JoeTerminiuh oh
15:13:37rasherThe sim doesn't run a build.
15:13:49rasherThe sim is a build itself
15:14:05JoeTerminiso when i patch it, i make sim
15:14:13Gnelikbarrywardell: When you start simulator is RB logo inverted???
15:15:07JoeTerminialright, guys, thanks a ton
15:15:20JoeTerminithough ill probably be back cuz something will go wrong
15:15:29barrywardellshould be easy to fix though
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15:17:36JoeTerminioh, another question
15:18:01JoeTerminiwhen i implement a patch, and i get failed hunks, im supposed to change the files manually right?
15:18:10JoeTerminihow do i know what to put where
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15:19:13JoeTerminiand when i get a patch off the tracker, sometimes it will include a .c or a .h file
15:19:18JoeTerminiwhere do i put those
15:19:23JoeTerminii know .c is a rock
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15:24:42JoeTerminiwhen i get failed hunks when patching, how do i know where to manually patch
15:24:44JoeTerminilike, what line
15:24:45Gnelikbarrywardell: will you commint new keymap to cvs, if not give me a new version plz/
15:25:12barrywardellyes, i will commit it. just one more problem to fix first
15:25:34barrywardellthe listtree_scroll stuff
15:25:46GnelikWhat is it?
15:26:57barrywardellthere are two possibilities depending on a setting
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15:27:32barrywardellholding left can either bring you back to the root directory or scroll text that is too long for the screen
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15:28:12barrywardellyou can either have it set to scroll the text with a hold of left/right or with left/right+another button
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15:40:21amiconnBagder: Is there any time frame for switching to svn?
15:40:47amiconnI would like to move more stuff to target tree, things which are already separated
15:41:17amiconnBut by doing this now we would lose the history...
15:41:31amiconnI mean things like lcd-ipodvideo.c
15:45:00barrywardellGnelik: i gotta go now. here's the latest keymap i have:
15:45:42barrywardellthe problems with listtree_scroll and also backspace on the keyboard need to be fixed, then i will commit it
15:47:20GnelikBakspace is down maybe?
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15:54:54barrywardellyes, sounds reasonable
15:54:57barrywardellgotta go
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17:12:56tkdydwkthe original firmware seems to search this, maybe even for execution, so I'm very curious.
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17:31:56michaelconnerhello... I ran battery_bench on my mini 2g ipod overnight −− has anyone noticed battery_bench not being necessarily accurate? i got about 15 hours of actual playback, whereas the battery_bench.txt stopped recording at 10h39s.
17:33:08obohow many tracks did you set it to loop through?
17:33:42michaelconnerabout 20. 2 albums' worth of −−preset standard MP3 (lame 3.92, I believe)
17:35:26oboso more than 32 mb then...
17:35:36michaelconneryeah, definitely
17:36:37michaelconnerthe last entry said that it had 6% left
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17:46:45blue_lizardreally sorry
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17:48:34blue_lizardimplicit declaration of function `gui_bitmap_scrollbar_draw'
17:48:39blue_lizardhow do i avoid that?
17:53:38linuxstbYou need to #include the .h file that defines that function.
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17:54:25blue_lizardthat make things even vorser because its is only an warning
17:54:34blue_lizardbut if i include the h file i get
17:54:37blue_lizardgui/scrollbar.h:27: error: redeclaration of enumerator `VERTICAL'
17:55:23blue_lizardin the file i work on there is even no "VERTICAL"
17:55:52blue_lizardit also complaina about redeclaration of enumerator `HORIZONTAL'
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17:56:05blue_lizardi use HORIZONTAL but i dont redeclare it
18:01:20linuxstbgcc doesn't lie - somehow VERTICAL is being declared twice... Do you also include widgets.h ?
18:02:11linuxstbOr does gcc tell you where the previous definition was?
18:05:06blue_lizard> grep -R VERTICAL * | grep "\.h"
18:05:07blue_lizardgui/scrollbar.h: VERTICAL = 0x0000, /* Vertical orientation */
18:05:07blue_lizardgui/scrollbar.h: * - orientation : either VERTICAL or HORIZONTAL
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18:05:07blue_lizardplugins/doom/r_defs.h: ST_VERTICAL,
18:05:07blue_lizardrecorder/widgets.h: VERTICAL = 0,
18:06:30blue_lizardi am not including widget.h but it seem some other file includes it
18:08:23blue_lizardi include plugin.h which includes widget.h
18:08:30blue_lizardwhat a mess
18:08:35linuxstbAre you writing a plugin?
18:09:05blue_lizardno i am working on onplay.c which is part of the core
18:09:18blue_lizardand i was not the guy inserting that include
18:09:43linuxstbAh, OK. onplay.c launches plugins, so I guess that's why plugin.h is included.
18:10:28blue_lizarderror: `PLUGIN_USB_CONNECTED' undeclared <- seems so i i comment it out
18:12:12linuxstbSeems that the scrollbar function in recorder/widgets.c is only used in one place - the audio thread debug screen...
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18:14:54linuxstbAh no, it's also exported in the plugin API and used in a few plugins.
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18:19:22blue_lizardwould it be possible to use the same declaration for both purposes?
18:19:40blue_lizardat least vertical is declared to 0 on both places
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18:56:08amiconnblue_lizard, linuxstb: Maybe that there are two scrollbar implementations now? If so, one should go, as it would be a waste of space...
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19:04:52blue_lizardamiconn: i don't think so, i belive thah HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL are defined at two places for two purposes
19:05:32blue_lizardif they would share the same values an single definition should be enough
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19:40:44voyeurwich kernel is rockbox based on ? close to GNU/Linux ?
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19:41:10rashervoyeur: it's not based on anything, it's written from scratch
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20:10:59k0obahello all, i need the help of someone after reading the manual i am not sure how to format my old archos jukebox 6000 with rockbox firmware iinstalled anyone would have 2 minutes to help me to do it without doin any mistakes? thx for teaching a noob :)
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20:12:06WalterEgoWhy do you need formatting?
20:12:20k0obabecause i wanna clean verything
20:12:25k0obai wanna make it empty
20:12:45k0obai thought it could be good for it
20:12:48k0obato format
20:13:17k0obaafter so much time of upload delete...
20:13:22WalterEgoI don't know much about the archos, can't help much.. Does the manual suggests you do?
20:14:15k0obadelete the archos.mod file. // delete the .rockbox folder
20:14:15k0obaand its contents. Turn the Archos off.
20:14:15k0obaTurn the player back on and the original Archos software will load.
20:14:46k0obaam afraid to do this :/
20:15:10k0oba need a confirmation u see
20:15:18WalterEgoI'd rather go with the instruction and delete only the .rockbox folder..
20:15:50WalterEgoFormatting will remove anything from the disk, even original system files from Archos...
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20:16:43k0obathat what i thought too walt
20:18:00k0obabut rockbox manual says this
20:18:02WalterEgoSince I don't know the target, I can't tell if its gonna boot AT ALL after a disk format.. Better you go and post on the forums.. Needs some patience waiting for an answer but at least, you'll have a REAL answer..
20:18:15WalterEgoThe part you quoted says DELETE not FORMAT.
20:18:24WalterEgoYou can't format a directory/folder.
20:18:47k0obayeah u right man
20:19:53k0obawell am gonna try to look deeper in the web
20:19:56k0obato check
20:20:08k0obathx for answers m8
20:21:31WalterEgogood luck
20:21:54k0obaneed a reboot
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20:34:51barrywardelldan_a: have you tried my improved nand driver?
20:35:11barrywardellit finally reads type 2 responses properly
20:35:17dan_abarrywardell: Not yet - I've only just got in! I'm having a look at the differences now.
20:36:13barrywardellwe basically have to read 9 16-bit words of response and ignore the first and last 8-bits
20:37:04dan_aI wonder how the OF gets away with only reading 8 words, then. Still, if it works for us, then that's a good thing :D
20:38:23dan_aI think you've used a bit more space than you need to in the tSDCardInfo structure
20:39:41barrywardellthe last half word is a checksum, which the OF probably just ignores
20:40:34barrywardelloops, yes. that should be 4, rather than 9
20:40:44dan_aI've ignored the checksums so far, but I think I should probably calculate them and retry if the values don't match
20:40:48barrywardelli mean 4 rather than 8
20:42:03dan_aI'm just testing it now...
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20:43:34dan_aI get a capacity of just over 2,000,000,000 bytes. Looks good to me :D
20:45:18barrywardelldan_a: it should be the same as the output of dmesg
20:45:26DarkDaemonis there a page that compares rockbox to ipod linux?
20:46:22dan_aDarkDaemon: I don't think so. iPod Linux puts Linux on your iPod, Rockbox attempts to be the best audio player firmware that there is. We have different goals.
20:46:38DarkDaemonah ic
20:46:43rasherI think there's a short comparison on the IpodLinux page
20:47:11DarkDaemonso i'm getting a new ipod video 80bg black
20:47:26DarkDaemonwhould i use rockbox or wait for ipod linux to support it?
20:47:41n1srockbox doesn't support it yet
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20:48:40DarkDaemonhypotheically: lets say both ipl and rockbox supported it
20:48:45DarkDaemonwhiich one should i use?
20:48:58*n1s looks at the channel name ;-)
20:49:01rasherWhichever suits you
20:49:12rasheror both
20:49:21DarkDaemon0o0o0 both?
20:49:55DarkDaemonso if i am in a gaming mood i use ipl and if i am in a music mood i can use rock box?
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20:50:51DarkDaemonso whats different about the 80gb video?
20:50:55DarkDaemontht it cant be supported?
20:52:44rasherthe harddisk is strange
20:53:34DarkDaemonanything i can do to help?
20:53:41DarkDaemoni know a few programming languages
20:53:45rasherno idea, to be honest
20:54:28DarkDaemonaight kool
20:54:33DarkDaemonthanx alot for the help
20:54:47DarkDaemoni think i will wait till ipl and rockbox support the new iods
20:54:51DarkDaemonthen i will buy one
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20:56:15dan_abarrywardell: It matches up with the dmesg output.
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20:56:48barrywardellgreat, now i just need to figure out why it crashes when initializing the bank switching
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20:58:53dan_aI'd look at the line "while((STATUS_REG & FIFO_FULL) == 0) {}"
20:59:37dan_aWe're a bit unsure on when the FIFO_FULL bit gets set, so maybe replacing that with udelay(100) will help
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20:59:59barrywardelli'll try it, thanks
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21:01:40DarkDaemonlol back
21:01:50DarkDaemonforgot to ask u guys one thing
21:02:17DarkDaemonwhts it called when u use a sponge thing to scratch stuff on to the back of ur ipod
21:02:39DarkDaemoni was looking at it a month or so ago and now i forgot the name
21:03:33goffayou mean like a marker?
21:03:42WalterEgouh?? scratch *what* off the back of the ipod?
21:03:42DarkDaemonsomething brushed
21:03:49goffayou mean like etch?
21:04:08*amiconn now has a backdrop on his h140 :)
21:04:10Paul_the_NerdThe brushed steel look?
21:04:16Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: Uhwha?
21:04:21DarkDaemonsomething like this
21:04:33DarkDaemonthe pic i saw, the guy had a flame look going
21:04:35n1sgrayscale eyecanyeh!
21:04:43n1scandeh dammit!
21:04:45goffaah.. paul was right
21:04:54WalterEgoDarkdeamon - That's what Paul meant with brushed steel..
21:05:07DarkDaemonso its called brushed steel?
21:05:14*DarkDaemon is such a nub
21:05:16goffaunless you mean like the ipod, apple logo, and 20gb... that's etching
21:05:21goffabut the rest is brushed steel
21:05:30WalterEgoThat's the name of the 'style', yes.
21:05:50Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: So what, using grayscale lib, or just using the lighter shade of gray primarily?
21:05:51DarkDaemonoh ok
21:06:06amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: The latter.
21:06:07DarkDaemonOH SNAP
21:06:08DarkDaemoni found it
21:06:12k0obaio WalterEgo am tring something ... i hope it will work
21:06:14amiconnThe grayscale lib is a no-no in the core
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21:08:16*Paul_the_Nerd tries to think how he'd use backdrops on grayscale.
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21:09:04DarkDaemonso is doing something like this safe
21:09:21rasherDepends what you mean by safe
21:09:30DarkDaemondoes it void warrenty?
21:09:48rasherGood question, really
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21:10:12rasherI'm sure they'd like to say that you've modified your ipod, but frankly, it's just a lot of scratches
21:10:15rasherI don't know
21:10:27DarkDaemonit looks so cool
21:11:28senabhas anyone got any idea why this is happening when i try and compile? "make: *** [all] Error 2"
21:11:45rasherYou need to supply some more output (leading up to that error)
21:12:02senabi'm just uploading a terminal log now
21:12:08barrywardellwhat's the best way to deal with an integer larger that 32-bit?
21:13:15linuxstbJust define it as int64_t or uint64_t
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21:14:17*k0oba seomeone know what to do with a
21:14:20senabit was working the other day...
21:14:21*k0oba .ajz file
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21:14:46n1sk0oba: put it on jour archos?
21:15:18rashersenab: try make veryclean
21:15:24linuxstbsenab: Try doing a "make clean" in the tools/ directory. Also, make sure you've done a "cvs update" in there - some new files were added.
21:15:40k0obai format my archos now and site archos sas to copy and paste firmaware .aos and what i download from site is a .ajz
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21:17:12senabnope, still not compiling
21:17:25k0obaCopy and paste the downloaded firmware (.AOS file) to your ARCHOS device. and the downloaded firmware is ajb6000_v5.07a.ajz ... what can i do ? n1s u know ?
21:17:47rashersenab: and you have run cvs update for your source dir?
21:17:58n1sk0oba: afaik it is supposed to be .ajz but why put of back on?
21:18:04goffashould be fine
21:18:13senabi do a cvs update everytime i compile
21:18:15linuxstbsenab: Try "make V=1" - that may give you more output.
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21:18:48barrywardelllinuxstb: thanks. is there any way for snprintf to work with ints bigger than 32-bit?
21:19:04senabit's stopping on this: make -C /home/chris/rockbox/firmware OBJDIR=/home/chris/rockbox/build5g/firmware
21:19:10linuxstbbarrywardell: The Rockbox implementation probably doesn't support 64-bit ints...
21:19:29k0oban1s if i have formatted the archos disk there is no more firmware inside right ?
21:19:46rashersenab: cvs update -d
21:20:20n1sk0oba: the archos firmware is in flash and not on the disk, you should be fine after a format, just copy rockbox to the disk :-)
21:20:22senabhmmm, i was using cvs up -dP to update anyway
21:20:40rasherDon't know
21:20:56linuxstbsenab: Is it just the 5g build that's not working? Have you tried others?
21:21:17senabdunno, i'll try some others now
21:21:37rasherDid you try to make veryclean?
21:21:46k0oban1s u think i can copy all the lil files i did backup before formatting included the .rockbox folder and the archos.mod and others ?
21:21:58senabrasher: yes i tried a veryclean
21:22:14senabit's just the 5g
21:22:16*k0oba sorry to bother with my shitty player
21:22:27rashersenab: Do you have any patches?
21:22:33rasher.. applied
21:22:45n1sk0oba: If i understand you cotrrectly: yes ;-)
21:22:53senabyes, but its not even getting to the patched files yet
21:23:09senabit's compiling a ipod mini now
21:23:18rasherTry with a fresh checkout anyway..
21:23:26senabthats what i'm going to do
21:24:12n1sthe forum seems really shakey...
21:24:43n1sgoes down almost every day...
21:24:54DarkDaemonhey if i brush my ipod into a flame design
21:24:57n1sor is it just me?
21:25:01DarkDaemoncan u change it to another design later?
21:25:24Paul_the_NerdDarkDaemon: This channel is mostly about the Rockbox firmware... not so much about iPods, or external mods
21:25:38DarkDaemoni will stop
21:25:43WalterEgoDarkDaemon - Well, probly not unless you buy some sort of laque and repaint it.
21:25:54WalterEgo(and it might be risky business)
21:26:22DarkDaemonthanx alot
21:26:25DarkDaemonfor all ur help
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21:28:18senabis it me or is the rockbox server a bit slow tonight?
21:29:52k0oban1s works perfectly before archos empty i had 3,5 Go Free now after format i got : 5,58 Free space thx m8 for ur assistance ;)
21:30:01*k0oba happy
21:30:07Paul_the_Nerdsenab: Rockbox, or forums.rockbox?
21:30:21senabthe cvs server
21:30:45senabits took me 5 mins for a fresh checkout so far, and it still hasn't finished yet
21:30:54senaboh well lol
21:30:59linuxstbAre you using "-z3" ?
21:31:28senabam i doing something wrong then?
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21:32:24k0obac u next year thanks rockbox developperz
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21:34:43senabwe're done.... finally lol
21:35:44linuxstbsenab: No, -z3 is fine. and are on the same server, with a 2Mbit/s connection, so it does get slow occasionally.
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21:37:04senab2mbit? that is a bit slow, are the forums hosted on that too?
21:37:29rasherNope is a different server on a different line in a different location
21:37:44rashervery different, in short
21:38:09rasherThe 2mbit line copes surprisingly well most of the time
21:38:25senabi was gonna say, 2mbits for a www, forums and cvs server = oh dear
21:38:36senaband ftp i'm guessing
21:38:49mattvthey anyone know anything about installing rockbox on the h10?
21:38:55mattvti can't get mine to start in ums mode
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21:39:16rasherThere's also, which is on a fat pipe
21:39:19senabscrap ftp, i was talking crap
21:39:48senabis anyone any good at bash shell scripts?
21:40:07rasherDecent, what's your problem?
21:40:10WalterEgomatt- What steaps have you taken?
21:40:32mattvtjust followed the manual
21:40:43senabbasically i want to take a patch rockbox using all the patches in a directory
21:40:44linuxstbsenab: As rasher said, it works fine most of the time.
21:41:00mattvthit the reset button, connect the usb, hold the next button and turn it on, still holding the next button until it boots to the usb connected screen
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21:41:14senabi wrote a shell script for cygwin months ago but kinda deleted accidentally
21:41:19mattvtbut it still boots in mtp mode
21:42:12WalterEgoForget about 'next' button..
21:42:20WalterEgoIt should be the -O- button
21:42:34WalterEgoNext as in menu navigation, not next as in FastForward
21:42:54WalterEgoYou also.. The one just right of the scrollpad.
21:43:02mattvtah ah
21:43:24WalterEgotry and ask again if it doesn't work :)
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21:43:37mattvtnope, that worked
21:43:44WalterEgo:) Np
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21:48:14barrywardelli wonder if the naming of prev and next should be changed in the H10 manual. it can be quite confusing
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21:48:46WalterEgoLeft and Right maybe?
21:49:32mattvti would have called the buttons on the front back and enter
21:49:39mattvtand the ones on the side prev and next
21:49:46WalterEgoHow are they name in the original fw's manual?
21:49:52grrrahamHi. If anyone out there's got a mo, trying to get doom running. Got .wad in /games/doom .........
21:50:18mattvtnot sure...i'd look but dont know where mine is
21:50:52WalterEgoCancel and Select, just checked... Don't like that nomenclature anymore though.. :p
21:52:26linuxstbgrrraham: Do you have both rockdoom.wad and doom.wad?
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21:53:36grrrahamjust doom1.wad in /games/doom/
21:54:46grrrahamhold on
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21:58:00grrrahamlinuxstb: thankyou. very impressive!!
21:58:22mattvti think having the guide on page 15 of the manual higher up would avoid the "next" confusion - or at least a reference to it in the ums boot instruction section
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22:06:08tkdydwkehyoo, it seems I've been searching in all the wrong places.
22:06:21tkdydwkso... see you all
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22:30:23smp501How come when I plug it in with the wall adapter, it goes to disk mode and reboots forever (5G)?
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22:30:47n1sbecause you don't hold down menu button
22:30:48rasheryou need to hold down something when you plug the wall adapter
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22:31:24BHSPitMonkeytold you.
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22:45:14senabjust compiled rockbox
22:45:45senabnow when i try and view directorys they're not in alphabetical order
22:45:55senabhas anyone else noted this?
22:46:03rasherDid you perhaps change the sorting order?
22:46:27senabis there a sorting order setting?
22:46:42rasherYup, under file view
22:46:51senaboh ye, silly me
22:47:01senabdunno how that got changed
22:47:24senabi'm having a bit of mental block tonight, forgive me lol
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22:48:51senabhmmm seems some of the default settings are a bit wrong
22:48:56senabeq is on by default
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22:50:01petursenab: building a patched version?
22:50:20senabyep, but only wps patches
22:50:41peturone of the patches maybe added some settings without changing the config block version
22:50:49peturreset the settings by hand
22:51:33senabi like the new menu header with the level up directory at the top
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22:55:43senabhas the keypress enables backlight only setting been taken out
22:55:50senab*? can't see it anywhere?
22:56:27senabi'm looking in the wrong menu, woops
22:56:30peturLCD Settings
22:57:10senabfound it, cheers
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23:13:33Kitt0scan i install windows vista on my x5?
23:14:17rasherAs in, using the X5 for a harddrive?
23:14:42Kitt0slol no nvm :D
23:15:56SoapVista might be hard, I have a working port of XP, not ready post it yet to the tracker, but I could make a video.
23:16:58Bagderyou can use my "Rockbox running on X movie construction kit"
23:17:13Bagdersoon for sale in a shop near you
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23:18:05smp500How do I set the tag cache to not look at the stuff used by the iTunes DB
23:18:15smp500Now i have double everything
23:18:46scorcheyou have to delete the itunes DB
23:19:41rashersomeone should make a general non-device specific simulator version with configurable screensize. And lirc input support. Please?
23:20:35amiconnBagder: Got my question (log 15:40)?
23:20:37SoapI'm confused smp500 - You have songs added by itunes, AND songs copied over into the filetree?
23:21:08Bagderamiconn: no there's no time frame afaik
23:21:21amiconnhmm :\
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23:22:07scorchewent to a wedding 2 days ago as best man...i wore my rockbox shirt =D
23:22:22Bagderthat's the spirit! ;-)
23:22:22scorchenow everyone who see the wedding pictures will see =P
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23:24:40cinicI need help with installation of rockbox
23:25:05rasherWhat's the question
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23:25:59cinic1 minutes please :)
23:26:16cinicI speak french is not easy for me to talk english:P
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23:28:04cinicI installed rockbox but my ipod posts me a message : Use Itunes to restore
23:28:12rasherAt least irssi detects it and only shows one line for the split, and one for the join.
23:28:42cinichelp me please :-)
23:29:31markuncinic: doesn't the ipod work anymore?
23:29:43Soapcinic: It appears you made a mistake installing the bootloader.
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23:30:40cinicMarkun: Not, it functions but I cannot go on rockbox because it posts unceasingly since the installation of rockbox: Use itunes to restore
23:31:41cinicSoap: How can I repair my error?
23:31:59Soapcinic: If you were a good boy and only made one mistake you can do the command:
23:32:07Soapipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin
23:32:39Soapreplacing the "N" with the number for your ipod you discovered in step 1B of the instructions.
23:32:58SoapThis will restore your stock bootpartition to the ipod.
23:33:18cinicI will test that
23:33:59SoapIf you were not a good boy, and corrupted not only the boot partion of your ipod, but also your bootpartion.bin file, you will need to either use itunes to restore your ipod (does this cause him to lose his music?) or get a proper bootpartition.bin file from someone else.
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23:36:01cinic2 minutes please..
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23:37:59Soapgoing outside for a smoke cinic, brb
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23:38:49tempiHi. anyone here who has worked on the new iPod 5.5G to make it work with rockbox?
23:39:06cinicI have to test the order
23:40:07cinicSoap: The menu principal of my ipod is become again like front. Is Rockbox installed?
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23:44:43Soapok cinic, I don't quite follow what you just said.
23:46:14cinicI did what you said to me and maintaining my ipod to be started again and it is become again like front
23:46:38cinicI did what you said to me and **now my ipod to be started again and it is become again like front
23:46:54rasherI don't understand "become again like front"
23:47:10cinicI'm not good in english :S
23:47:12hcslike new?
23:47:15Soaplike new?
23:47:30markuncinic: rockbox doesn't look the same a the original apple firmware
23:48:12cinic2 minutes
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23:49:35cinicmy ipod is become again as usual
23:49:51markuncinic: yes, so it's not loading rockbox
23:50:01Soapgood, now you need to try to do the bootloader again.
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23:50:39Soapyou should never need to run ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin again.
23:50:55Soapsince your bootpartition.bin file is apparently in good shape.
23:51:00Soapwhat ipod do you have?
23:51:17cinicIpod Nano
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23:53:05cinicSoap: I am ready to make the next stages with you
23:53:30Soapwhat install instructions are you using?
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23:54:42Soapahh, I can't read any languages save Latin and English, so I can't confirm the validity of those instructions.
23:55:08hcsmy French isn't very good but I'll take a look
23:55:14SoapI'm willing to bet, though, that they don't take into account the changed install instructions for the Nano with Apple Firmware 1.2
23:55:19cinic am of Quebec in Canada
23:55:24Soapas I bet that is where your install failed.
23:55:55SoapWhat number did you discover your ipod to be in step 1B?
23:57:07Soapdo you have a copy of bootloader-nano.bin?
23:57:43amiconnSomeone broke the nice ibss exclusion from the binary... and this went undetected for quite some time
23:58:03cinicI don't understand
23:58:14hcsSoap: it only has information about the firmware for the 5g video, not the extra for the 1.2 nano

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