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#rockbox log for 2006-11-14

00:00:30webguest57Eventually...maybe i should stick with ipodlinux for videos
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00:02:45Genre9mp3oh... I think I'm going to cry
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00:09:49linuxstbOff-topic question - does anyone know a Mac OS X tool which will split a WAV/AIFF file based on a cuesheet?
00:11:09[g2]linuxstb ditto on an mp3
00:11:40[g2]linuxstb I was wondering if audacity can be command line driven
00:12:39linuxstbmp3directcut will do the job for an mp3. Not sure how it handles things like gapless though.
00:13:29peturfiles cut with mp3direct cut sound gapless to me
00:13:46Genre9mp3linuxstb: I don't remember having gap problems using mp3directcut
00:14:29linuxstbThinking about it, it must cut on mp3 frame boundaries, so yes, gapless shouldn't be an issue. Does it handle VBR OK?
00:15:37peturI think it does
00:15:48Genre9mp3linuxstb: Can't say for sure... most files I used with were CBR but I guess there won't be any problems
00:15:57peturmine are VBR
00:16:03Genre9mp3ah... 2nd again :/
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00:16:41peturbut it does sometimes put up a dialogbox, but I don't know if it's a warning or just information
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00:22:35*petur still doesn't know for sure if he needs to use HOST or OTG mode :/
00:23:20preglowjhMikeS: you were wondering about something spdif yesterday?
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00:28:38jhMikeSwanted to know if you were the one because I wanted to credit you in the files I created
00:28:44Terinjokeshey, how does rockbox's feature work?
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00:29:05jhMikeSThe commit is building now. See if it's acceptable.
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00:31:17jhMikeSpreglow: and besides the the S/PDIF standard available? I can't find anything on line and the datasheet just says refer to IEC958-3 regarding EBURcvCChannel.
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00:33:16Terinjokesi see
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00:37:00preglowjhMikeS: haven't found a good one myself
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00:37:13preglowjhMikeS: i think i found what details i needed via the wikipedia page
00:37:32jhMikeSbummer. I really want the info. Maybe could decode dolby surround ? :P
00:39:05preglowtell me if you find it
00:39:07preglowbut bedtime now
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01:17:51jbahi guys anyone around?
01:17:59jbalinuxstb, are you awake?
01:19:29jbaam trying to discover the meaning of this following snippet so i can apply it's knowledge to something i'm working on at the gigabeat port:
01:19:38jba22.56.24 # <slimx> ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.glue_7' on LD vorbis.elf
01:19:45jba22.57.07 # <linuxstb> slimx: Fix apps/plugins/
01:19:56jba22.57.43 # <linuxstb> (the best fix will be to use #ifdef CPU_ARM around the .glue sections)
01:20:11jbashould that be an #ifndef or and @ifdef?
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01:22:11linuxstbjba: I am about to go to bed, but looking at apps/plugins/, that fix has already been applied, although not with CPU_ARM.
01:22:30linuxstb(it checks for three different ARM processors)
01:22:32jbayeah that was gonna be my next question
01:22:54jbai need to find the arm procesor of the gigabeat and add it then?
01:23:34jbalinuxstb, i thought something like that was happening
01:24:10linuxstbAre you getting the same message for the gigabeat then?
01:24:30jbatrying to build meg-fx gigabeat target and getting that messag
01:24:47jbaam relatively new to rockbox/gigabeat port, thought i dive into the first bug i found :(
01:25:14linuxstbThen I would just replace that whole #if with "#ifdef CPU_ARM".
01:25:38jbawill do for now, but would love to find where the CONFIG_CPU is #defined
01:25:42jbaam grepping source for that now
01:26:09jbawhat's the row comment character for lds files?
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01:26:57jbalinuxstb, found the #define CONFIG_CPU S3C2440 in export\gigabeat.h can i just use that?
01:27:02jbaor is that likely to change in the future?
01:27:26linuxstbYes, but CPU_ARM seems a better choice. I think that line was added to before we had the CPU_ARM define.
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01:28:20jbaaah cool then
01:28:22jbai'll use that
01:28:30jbaand make sure gigabeat.h define's CPU_ARM
01:28:41jbai don't need to send a patch to the mailing list for this do i?
01:30:09linuxstbIt's probably best to mention it to one of the gigabeat devs (I think markun is the only one with CVS access). Or wait until you have a number of similar small fixes, and post a patch to the patch tracker.
01:30:15linuxstbAs I said, I'm about to go to bed...
01:30:47linuxstbAnd yes, CPU_ARM is defined for the gigabeat in firmware/export/config.h
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01:31:03jbalinuxstb, thanks mate, sorry for keeping you ap
01:31:08jbaand good night
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01:45:44jbaanyone know where i can get someinfo on what the .icode section in the lds file is for?
01:55:08JdGordonstuff that goes in the IRAM?
01:55:53jbai'm just trying to figure out why the gigabeat build is complaining about icode when it tries to link flac elf
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02:01:54JdGordonjba: are you #defining USE_IRAM or ICODE_ATTR anywhere?
02:03:14jbanot sure
02:03:43jbait's the gigabeat port, though i don't think it is. I decided to learn more about ld than i remembered from my uni days. it's just too hazy
02:04:34JdGordonthey are defined in config.h.. and they dont look like they would be defined, unless explicilty called... if your getting .icode errors, its probably undefinineg them would fix it
02:06:30jbaJdGordon, are you saying that undefining them will fix it, or that they are probably not defined?
02:06:47JdGordonif they are defined, undef them
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02:07:26jbabecause it seems the part of that has .icode in it, is inside an #if defined(IRAMSIZE)
02:07:34jbaso looks like ineed to def IRAMSIZE
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02:08:10jbabut i have no idea what my iramsize for the gigabeat would be
02:08:36JdGordonso, its best to tell it you have no iram at all...
02:08:58JdGordonhave a look @ config.h line 285
02:10:10jbaso your saying in config-gigabeat.h i should undef USE_IRAM till we figure out the ram size we have?
02:10:54JdGordonis USE_IRAM defined at all in config-gigabeat.h already?
02:11:10jbano, not anywhere i can find
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02:12:11JdGordonwhat about export/config.h?
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02:12:30jbayeah it's in export/config.h but not export/config-gigabeat.h
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02:13:03JdGordonok, in config.h, is the define ifdefed out?
02:13:13JdGordonhey aliask, guess what :D
02:13:42jbahey JdGordon looks like it is deffed out yeah
02:13:46jbahey aliask
02:14:04JdGordonim starting the settings stuff bassically from scratch and no boost thrashing yet :D and iam loading config from disk
02:14:16aliaskWoo, big job - hope it goes well.
02:14:20aliaskGot my gigabeat today!
02:14:30jbaJdGordon, it's inside the #if !defined(SIMULATOR) ... line
02:14:37aliaskI was all pissed off because they rang my doorbell when I was in the shower
02:14:40JdGordonjba: hmm... if its ifdeffed out then it shouldnt be casugin problems... maybe just remove the flac codec for the target?
02:14:52jbayeah that's the easy way out though
02:15:06JdGordonaliask: haha, excact thing happened to me a while ago, had to call the courier to get him to come back
02:15:20jbahang on, i misread, it might not be deffed out
02:15:24jbai might try deffing it out
02:15:24JdGordonpulled it apart yet so we can start porting it?
02:15:53aliaskIn the process now
02:16:05aliaskNot sure that the harddrive connector is compatible :(
02:16:29aliaskIt's a ribbon cable, but I don't have any other players that have ribbon cable connectors for the harddrive.
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03:31:33webguest38hey everyone
03:31:39webguest38hi all
03:32:19Paul_the_Nerdscorche: That image is lovely.
03:32:26scorchethanks =)
03:33:45webguest38how do you boot into the origional ipod os from the rockbox loader?
03:33:54scorchehold menu while booting
03:34:01webguest38im in a hurry, thats why i didnt consult the forum
03:34:02webguest38and thanks
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03:39:02Paul_the_Nerd"consult the forum" rather than the manual... =/
03:40:38scorchei know...oh well
03:40:39Soapuntil the download page requires a essay test on the manual...
03:41:37Paul_the_NerdI updated the agreement you click when you join the forums to include an agreement to read the posting guidelines.
03:42:02scorchewe just need to have it ask what they like most about rockbox in one word
03:42:14scorcheand if they type games or doom, dont allow them to download
03:43:17Soapthe "captcha" for registering should always be "iwillreadthemanual"
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04:16:58DiznaiznongsHello sirs, has there been any progress on the 80gb 5.5g?
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04:26:38scorcheyou will see any progress on the forum thread
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04:29:24DiznaiznongsI checked it and it seemed hopeful, people were talking about some loader2 program and rockzilla
04:29:29Diznaiznongsbut I don't know what those things are
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06:10:44 Join Steve132 [0] (i=84aa2548@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ know the mp3 data player functions in the plugin api? Where can I learn how to use them? The prototypes aren't all that helpful by themselve
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06:18:51abbubezleebSteve132: Look in playback.c and talk.c
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06:51:40Steve132I just looked around in playback.c and talk.c...I got some interesting information
06:51:55Steve132but it didn't give me everything I needed
06:52:36Steve132How does one use the api->mp3_play_data function?
06:55:08abbubezleebIf you want to play a single clip pass start and size, leaving the callback NULL. If you want to play data continuously, use the callback and make start NULL and size 0.
06:55:48abbubezleebYou callback will be called during the call to mp3_play_data and everytime more data is required.
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06:58:26abbubezleebactually, only the pcm play and record functions make the initial call that way now that I look
06:58:30daurnimatorwhen did JdGordon last talk?
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06:58:56Bagderdaurnimator: ~5 hours ago
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07:06:15newbyx86the dawn of the zune cometh
07:06:21newbyx86and when I get mine, I'm going to work at haxxoring it.
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07:10:42Steve132so...hypothetical usage
07:10:47Steve132I have a buffer
07:10:52Steve132of mp3 data
07:11:05Steve132like..only one channel..or loaded from a file or what?
07:11:32Steve132then just call api->mp3_play_data(buffer, size, NULL);
07:12:27abbubezleebjust a buffer of mp3 data, (never actually used it) probably on a frame boundary
07:12:33Steve132do I need to give it any information on kbps or number of channels...or...
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08:28:41diluted^hey how do i remove rockbox from my ipod
08:29:28scorcheuninstallation instructions are right there with the installations ones in the manual
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08:43:20diluted^when i restart it still shows rockbox boot loader screen
08:43:31diluted^it loads original firmware but i dont want rockbox anything on i t
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08:45:09hcsyou have to write back the original boot partition, instructions to do this should be on whatever page you were using for installation
08:45:34scorcheas i said...
08:45:51hcsbears repeating
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08:46:06diluted^so simply just making another boot partition won't do it
08:47:07hcsletting the Apple software reformat your iPod will work... not sure otherwise what you mean
08:49:24diluted^well i didnt have the original bootpartition.bin
08:49:42diluted^so i just ipodpatcher -r'd it
08:49:47diluted^and didnt do the other commands
08:50:02scorchethe installation procedure recommended that you keep that file...
08:50:23diluted^hm i didnt though
08:50:28diluted^and it still shows rockbox crap
08:50:39diluted^i made another which has to be just like the one before
08:50:57diluted^yeah like the bootscreen
08:51:00scorcheyou cant make another without the original file
08:51:11diluted^eh why :|
08:51:12scorcheas in rockbox is far from crap =P
08:51:29scorchenow, you have to either get bootpartition.bin from someone or use the ipod restore utility
08:51:38diluted^rockbox is battery consuming
08:52:23diluted^and it cant charge/run at the same time
08:52:32markunyou can
08:52:37scorcheit can
08:53:00diluted^hows that
08:53:08scorchehold menu while inserting the cable
08:54:21markundiluted^: did you try the apply updater to get rid of rockbox?
08:54:29markunapple, not apply :)
08:54:48diluted^apple updater?
08:54:56diluted^hmm what is that :P
08:55:13markunDon't know what it's called exactly. Their tool to update the firmware.
08:55:23scorchei think it is a part of itunes
08:55:36diluted^hm, didnt they used to use it and don't anymore
08:56:11diluted^it simply won't let me in iTunes
08:56:12hcswhat iPod do you have?
08:56:22diluted^the 60gb video
08:56:36hcsah, then I can't help you with bootpartition.bin
08:57:01diluted^well I'll go to sleep hopefully someone will read this and be available in the morning
08:57:12diluted^thanks guys
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09:09:19JdGordonmorning amiconn, you around yet?
09:10:50JdGordonBagder: you around?
09:14:24daurnimatori say... no
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09:21:03JdGordonw00t... the config block is going to be dumped very soon :D
09:21:46*scorche jinxes it
09:22:00JdGordonhaha... dont.. please dont :p
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10:00:14myzari have arrived.
10:01:26hcsall your rock are belong to box
10:02:08hcsor was it more of an ATHF "GENTLEMEN"?
10:02:35myzarmore of an ATHF
10:02:40myzarbut nice catch on AYB
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10:11:37vxhi, are there news for the sansa port ? Did the dan_a patch permit to read all the flash ?
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11:02:19JdGordonhmm... does anyone think it is a huge deal if the config files use the full path instead of just filenames for the wps/font/background files?
11:02:43JdGordoncurrently only blaa.ext is saved, but i want to change it to /.rockbox/path/blaa.ext
11:03:42peturwouldn't that cause more RAM usage for config?
11:05:10JdGordonwell yes, but the set_file() whould be removed, and it makes simpler code, so the little increase wouldnt be all that bad
11:05:53amiconnYou would still need to check the path
11:06:28amiconnA wps / font /whatever is only persistent if it's stored in the appropriate dir
11:06:55JdGordononly because only the filename is stored now... if im allowed to save the full path then this is no problem
11:06:57amiconnIf it's stored elsewhere, it's only unsed until shutdown, and not stored in the config
11:07:05amiconnThis is a feature...
11:07:28*petur would rather want fixed locations for user files *outside* the .rockbox tree
11:07:34JdGordoncan the feature be removed?
11:08:02amiconnI would prefer to keep it
11:08:05JdGordonI dont really want to make the settings saving/loading function any more complicated than it already is
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11:09:30amiconnBesides, storing the full path in global_settings wastes ram
11:09:32JdGordonamiconn: also, you said default_event_handler_ex is only ever called in the main thread right?
11:10:15JdGordonso its safe to use that to call the dump setting file function? because it is likely to stkOv other threads
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11:19:56JdGordonbah! done
11:21:55*JdGordon wonders if it would be ok to commit the settings file part of the patch before the menu stuff goes in
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11:57:44robin24Hi! Can anyone help me with the Bootloader instalation on an iPod please? I'm having trouble with the ipodpatcher.
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12:44:06jonah1980hi can anyone please please help me rockbox my ipod under linux... tried to follow the howto guide and just got stuck!
12:44:29jonah1980did the dmesg bit to try find the ipod connection and can't see it so don't know where to go nest
12:44:53jonah1980i've got ubuntu edgy
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12:47:25jonah1980hello any help would be greatly appreciated thanks
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12:59:55daurnimatorJdGordon: you there/
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13:01:45jbahey guys, where is BUTTON_OFF actually defined? All i can see is BATTERY_OFF being defined to BUTTON_OFF in battery_bench.c
13:01:57jbabut nowhere can i find BUTTON_OFF being defined
13:02:09barrywardell_jba: for which target?
13:02:29barrywardell_it's in button.h, or button-target.h
13:02:44jbabarrywardell_, trying to get the gigabeat to build successfully and it's complaining about BATTER_OFF not being def'ed cause BUTTON_OFF isn't def'ed
13:03:53barrywardell_for the gigabeat, it would be in firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/button-target.h
13:06:21jbano it's not in there or in the ipod
13:06:27barrywardell_jba: you should be looking in apps/plugins/battery_bench.c
13:06:29jbaPOWEROFF_BUTTON is though
13:06:46barrywardell_you need to define buttons there
13:06:48jbabarrywardell_, that's the file that won't build cause it reference's an undef'ed BATTERY_OFF
13:07:06barrywardell_you need to define BATTERY_OFF in that file
13:07:45jbahmm, why would it not be defined? battery_bench.c isn't arch specific is it?
13:08:04barrywardell_nope, but the button mappings are
13:08:41barrywardell_look at how BATTERY_OFF is defined for other targets in that file and do something similar for the gigabeat
13:09:34jbaI get it
13:09:38jbagod damn pre-processor logic
13:09:47jbait's not indented so i forget about the conditionals
13:10:48barrywardell_something like this would work
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13:16:50jbawhere would GIGABEAT_PAD be def'ed, to make sure it's there?
13:17:05jbain config.h
13:17:06jbafound it
13:17:28jbagod damn jedit grep is slow on the vmaware share
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13:21:00Gnelik1111barrywardell_: Hi! Do you need any help in work on sansa???
13:21:23barrywardell_Gnelik: i'm gonna commit your improved button driver
13:21:41barrywardell_but need your real name to add to the credits list
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13:24:58jbait's basically a whole bunch of missing def's for the gigabeat
13:25:02jbai think i got it going forward
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13:26:34barrywardell_Gnelik: another thing that needs to be done at some stage is to get a normal sansa build to compile.
13:26:59barrywardell_it's mostly just keymaps need adding for things like usb, etc
13:27:20jbabarrywardell_, now i get metronome complaining about duplicate cases because METRONOME_VOL_DOWN is defined as BUTTON_UP
13:27:25jbaand both of those are in the case statement
13:27:47jbaam i missing something there?
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13:29:06barrywardell_you'll probably need to define METRONOME_VOL_DOWN as some other button
13:29:25markunjba: are you making a mess of it? :)
13:29:29jbahmm, but other targs have it defined as BUTTON_UP and down
13:29:36jbamarkun, hey mate, just figuring it out
13:29:46jbaas i said earlier mate, it seems to be a sea of missing defs
13:30:11markunstrange, before I tried vadim's patch I didn't have any problems
13:30:19markunIsn't it fixed in wibbix' patch?
13:30:25jbawell i did do a cvs up today
13:30:39jbawibbix said his patch mapped memory differently, so not to apply
13:30:50jbai keep fixing one def, and finding another
13:31:19markunYou don't have to apply all of the path of course
13:31:39jbawell i don't know enough to disern it
13:31:44barrywardell_jba: if you just want to get it to compile, you could tell it not to compile the plugins
13:31:46jbabetter to try and get it working and learn
13:32:01barrywardell_look in apps/plugins/SOURCES
13:32:02jbawant to learn what it all means barrywardell_, best way is to get it to compile cleanly
13:32:20jbamarkun, it's complaining about one more value METRONOME_TAP, but we never def that
13:32:26jbawhat should I chose for it?
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13:33:40jbai have it as button_select, which is also BUTTON_PLAY
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13:35:12jbaI just made it BUTTON_A for now
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13:35:59jbahey markun i got it to build cleanly now
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14:13:50JdGordonis there any reason why logf builds wouldnt display the log on the remote?
14:14:46JdGordonok, it doesnt even think it is a logf build!!! but i enabled it in configure, and did make clean && make... twice!
14:16:34GnelikBagder: I am trying to do normal sansa build
14:16:43Gneliki have corected all erors
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14:17:08GnelikBut when it doing LD rockbox.elf
14:17:44GnelikIt shows me a lot things like this main.c:(.text.init+0x424): undefined reference to `power_init'
14:19:02GnelikOk. Can anybody help me????
14:20:19markunGnelik: do you have a power_init in the power-*.c file in the target tree?
14:21:03markunLook at other targets for help
14:21:07Gnelikyes i copyed
14:21:14Gnelikmost of files from h10
14:21:23markunAnd did you include the files in firmware/SOURCES?
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14:21:45GnelikI just found it
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14:26:55Gnelikmarkun: Where are system_init and system_reboot situated??
14:28:03markunfor arm targets they are still in firmware/system.c I think
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14:42:18GnelikWhat can i do with it??
14:42:31Gnelikf000000 -> 0f0004ff] overlaps section .stack [0f000148 -> 0f002147]
14:42:31Gnelikcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
14:42:50Gnelik> /opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (
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14:42:50Gnelik>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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14:53:44Gnelikmarkun: Can't you help me???
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15:00:17JdGordonwooot! got settings working from config.cfg 100% and fully backwards compatable
15:02:38markunGnelik: sorry, I know very little about the linker files
15:03:25markunJdGordon: So no more settings reset after a rockbox update, right?
15:03:42JdGordonyup :)
15:04:13markunIs there a big size increase?
15:05:11JdGordonatm, there proabbly is a bit (about to do a test).. but there is alot of unused data which is going to be used for the reworked menus, so hopefully the size will drop
15:06:22JdGordonIs anyone planning on fiddling with the global_settings struct any time soon?
15:06:47JdGordon2200byte increase on the h300 now, but with unused code..
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15:59:17GnelikWhat does it meens and what can i do with it???
15:59:36Gnelik>/home//rockbox/e200/apps/rockbox.elf section .stack)
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15:59:36Gnelik>f000000 -> 0f0004ff] overlaps section .stack [0f000148 -> 0f002147]
15:59:36Gnelik>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
16:00:02Gnelik>/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (
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16:10:16markunGnelik: I hope someone who can help you will read the logs
16:11:15amiconnIt just means what it says
16:11:34amiconn(1) region IRAM is full, i.e. there is too much going to iram
16:14:53GnelikCan i fix it?
16:15:37amiconn(2) Somehow there are overlapping (sub-)sections
16:16:36amiconnI don't know how iram is defined for the sansa, perhaps there is a mistake
16:16:47amiconnCheck the linker script and the .map
16:17:17amiconnSomething missing for PP5024 is quite likely
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16:18:36preglowwhat, the cfg patch is suddenly _bigger_ ?
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16:34:45webguest20What is the current status of the recording feature on H120? There were some messages in the forums about some possible bugs.
16:35:10nlswhy don't you try it?
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16:36:03lowlightpreglow: do you see anything fundamentally wrong with this patch to strip ape tags?
16:36:07nlsI don't think there are any known bugs in recording after jhMikeS fixed the optical
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16:42:40webguest20nls: thanks. @petur: do you agree?
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16:44:20jonah1980hi is there anything i can use to do a disk scan on my ipod under linux to make sure there's not bad sectors etc and fix any problems?
16:44:27jonah1980i've got rockbox installed
16:44:57preglowlowlight: can't say that i do, no
16:45:24jonah1980fsck.vfat ? how do i do that? is it safe?
16:45:53nlsjonah1980, unmount it first and then run it on the device.
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16:46:29lowlightpreglow: thanks...commit sent
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16:49:04jonah1980hi sorry i closed the chat by accident. ok my ipod is on /dev/sdf but fsck doesn't seem to work, does it have to be ext2 cos mines fat
16:49:34rasherfsck.vfat doesn't find bad sectors
16:49:49rasherjonah1980: you need to run "fsck.vfat", not fsck
16:50:00rasherBut again, fsck doesn't find bad sectors afaik
16:50:01jonah1980basically it's a second hand ipod and i just got it, rockboxed it and just wanted to scan to make sure and fix any probs
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16:51:12jonah1980so i just wanted to know what disk utility for linux i could use to get my ipod in good shape?
16:54:01jonah1980any help would be greatly appreciated... i tried typing fsck.vfat /dev/sdf but that just gave me an error msg
16:54:32Kasperlelinux should have a "badblocks" command
16:55:14rasherthat's the one
16:55:28rasheryou need to pass a partition to fsck.vfat
16:55:33rashersomething like /dev/sdf1
16:55:35jonah1980so what would i have to type just to check the thing is ok and also then to fix it if it's not?
16:55:36rasheror whatever
16:55:57rasheryou can't fix bad blocks
16:56:13rasheronly find them and mark them
16:56:57jonah1980right - but typing fsck.vfat /dev/sdf1 gets me nowhere, it says cannot open device
16:57:12rasherand are you sure /dev/sdf is the correct device+
16:57:51jonah1980yeah that's right when i run dmesg it shows it there
16:57:59jonah1980i've also tried sdf1 and sdf2 also
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16:59:28jonah1980am i typing it in wrong or something?
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16:59:50jonah1980or is there a plugin for rockbox for disk maintenance or anything?
17:00:17rasherYou're probably typing something wrong, yes
17:00:19rasheror reading wrong
17:00:32jonah1980also when my ipod crashes (which is has a couple of times on first day of getting it) how do i know whether it's rockbox or the second hand ipod?
17:03:12markunjonah1980: if it never crashes with the original firmware it's probably rockbox
17:04:13jonah1980markun, that's really really good to know - it's locked up and froze a couple of times while playing and won't start or skip tracks and i've had to just reboot
17:04:29lowlightCan I get premissions to close flyspray tasks
17:05:19markunlowlight: silly feature requests?
17:05:39jonah1980so rockbox does just crash fairly often?
17:05:40lowlightmy own :)
17:05:58rasherThe ape tag strip?
17:06:34jonah1980and there's no one that can help me do a scan under linux on my ipod to repair the disk or check it's ok?
17:06:59rasherI think you need Linus or one of the Stenbergs to get flyspray access
17:08:18rasherjonah1980: the "light" version is running fsck.vfat /dev/sd??
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17:09:33jonah1980rasher, light version? i tried running fsck.vfat /dev/sdf also tried sdf1 and sdf2
17:09:58rasherYou're doing something wrong then
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17:10:31jonah1980also tried putting sudo infront but still no such directory or file
17:10:40Nico_Pi had the same kind of problem when wanting to run fsck.vfat on my h320...
17:10:43rasherThen you're using the wrong device
17:10:57rasheris the ipod mounted currently?
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17:11:19rasher(mkfs.vfat doesn't support badblocks, so you're only solution to find and mark bad blocks is windows scandisk)
17:12:01rashermkfs.vfat -c will check for bad blocks
17:12:08rasherSo you're not completely out of luck
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17:12:20rasherBut you'll wipe out your harddisk in the process
17:12:27PsiuyosdX won't work since you need to scan a partition, not the device. sdX1 won't work because that's where the firmware is stored. sdX2 is what you want
17:12:45rasherBut you really need to figure out the correct device
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17:13:29Psiuyotry running "fdisk -l /dev/sdX" to make sure you are looking at the correct device
17:13:54jonah1980ah i mounted it and did it on sdf 2, all it gave me was a little rundown of how many files and clusters there were - would it says if there was a problem?
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17:15:49rasherI can't make heads or tails of that.. What does "did it on sdf 2" mean?
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17:16:59markunrasher: "did it on sdf 2" = "used /dev/sdf2"
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17:17:22rasherBut which command..
17:17:42rasherAnd you need to UNmount to run any of these commands
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17:20:58jonah1980rasher, sorry i'm trying - i typed fsck.vfat /dev/sdf2
17:21:15jonah1980but it didn't say about bad blocks or sectors/clusters etc so i still don't know if it's in good working order or not
17:21:30rasherAgain, fsck does NOT check bad sectors or clusters
17:21:35rasheronly filesystem inconsitencies
17:21:47rasherEh, except spelled right.
17:22:36jonah1980so i can't do anything to check or mark this drive under linux? i don't have windows
17:22:45rasher[17:12] <rasher> mkfs.vfat -c will check for bad blocks
17:22:45rasher[17:12] <rasher> So you're not completely out of luck
17:22:45rasher[17:12] <rasher> But you'll wipe out your harddisk in the process
17:22:47amiconnjonah1980: What type of ipod do you have?
17:22:55jonah1980i've got a 4th gen 20gb
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17:23:10Kasperlewhat's the deal with "badblocks"? doesn't it work?
17:23:33jonah1980i thought it would let me because everytime i boot ubuntu if it's the 30th mounted time it'll do a fsck things and fix any problems, so i figured i could fix the ipod in same way
17:23:36amiconnjonah1980: So the crashes could be due to cpu frequency scaling. The problem with PP5020 is still not solved
17:23:46Nico_Prasher: what about "badblocks" ?
17:23:57rasherKasperle: It does, but you need to pass the output to mkfs.ext2/3, mkdosfs doesn't support getting badblocks input
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17:24:20rashereh, or fsck.ext2/3
17:24:34jonah1980well it's second hand and i've read a lot about screwed up hardrives and damage etc. so i just wanted to check it is in good condition and the drive isn't damaged from being unplugged without unmounting or dropped in past or corrupted etc
17:24:34rasherAs far as I can tell anyway
17:25:17Kasperlei see. yeah. but if you'd only want a check for now, that'd be fine
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17:26:15jonah1980anyway i gave it a brief inspection this morning and played a couple of tracks before i rockboxed it - but this aft it's crashed a fair amount and i only have a week to make sure it's ok before i lose my amazon gaurantee, so i figured doing a scan on it or somethng would be a good idea before the week ends and i can't return it
17:26:18rasher Hrm, it appears that fsck.vfat -t might check for bad clusters, but it's not entirely clear
17:26:44rasherTo be honest, I'd find a windows machine and scandisk it
17:26:49jonah1980yeah i just want to check it out and make sure i got a good deal
17:27:07jonah1980but doesn't scan disk wipe your hardrive, is it safe?
17:27:11rasherTry fsck.vfat -t /dev/sdf2
17:27:25rasherIt *MIGHT* check for bad clusters
17:27:31rasher -t Mark unreadable clusters as bad.
17:27:54rasherBut it might also only mark problematic clusters in case they happen to be read
17:28:02jonah1980rasher, when i do that it says "-t requires -a or -r"
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17:28:21rasher-a is automatically fix, -r is ask
17:28:30rasheryou decide
17:28:46rasher(Windows scandisk doesn't wipe your drive)
17:28:48Nico_Prasher: what about "badblocks" ?
17:28:57jonah1980ok trying that then - i've put the r for "ask"
17:29:11jonah1980ok it seems to be doing something or other
17:29:14rasherNico_P: the dosfstools don't seem to support badblocks output
17:30:05jonah1980thanks for all this help, i know i'm a pain in the rear, but i just panick sometimes and want to check this thing is good before i can't get my cash back! plus if it's crashing a bit in rockbox i don't know if it's rockbox or cos the ipod is busted!
17:30:26Nico_Pso badblocks will only check for bad blocks but not do anything about it, is that it ?
17:31:11rasherit will output a list of bad blocks
17:31:20jonah1980plus cos i use linux all my audio is mainly ogg, so i need rockbox! hehe
17:31:20rasherwhich you can then give to fsck.ext3
17:31:55jonah1980well at the moment its not giving me any progress report or anything, just still in the terminal, but i don't have a prompt anymore
17:32:04jonah1980does that mean it's still scanning?
17:32:27Nico_Pjonah1980: yes, and from my experience, it can take a while
17:32:41jonah1980ok cool
17:33:03jonah1980would i have been better off formatting the thing to ext2 to begin with?
17:33:27evilnickis anyone good with the tagcache config options?
17:34:17rasherjonah1980: wouldn't work with rockbox
17:34:27jonah1980rasher, that's a shame
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17:35:19rasherIt'd add a lot of complexity for very little gain
17:35:22rashersame deal with HFS+
17:35:42jonah1980but woudn't it be more reliable?
17:35:57rasherFor a thing like a DAP, not really
17:36:11rasherNot significantly anyway
17:36:54jonah1980how do i even know if this thing is scanning, it's not doing anything still that i'm aware of
17:37:37jonah1980the cursor is flashing i suppose that's a good sign - roughly how long do you think it'll take?
17:38:11rasherI've never used it, so I frankly have no idea
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17:38:40rasherI wouldn't be surprised at all if it took 30 minutes or more
17:39:17evilnickCan anyone lend a hand in editing my custom tagnavi.config?
17:39:41jonah1980wow i need to go out, and was hoping to take it with me, can i stop the thing or should i just leave it?
17:40:08rasherI doubt anything bad will happen if you stop it
17:40:32jonah1980how do i stop it?
17:40:33rasherevilnick: is all I can offer
17:40:38rasherjonah1980: ctrl+c
17:40:55markunjonah1980: first time you used linux?
17:41:00jonah1980is scandisk on windows faster, maybe i could goto a friends house and do it
17:41:16rasherProbably not
17:41:22evilnickrasher: thanks, been looking there and its pretty difficult to understand for someone who isn't a coder. I don't think that what I have in mind is possible anyway, so far...
17:41:43jonah1980thanks for your help, i gotta run. appreciate it
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18:03:20Lynx_hmm, i accidentally unplugged USB of my h140 while copying, now I have *panic* mount: 0
18:03:28Lynx_is that a bug, or supposed to happen?
18:11:59Kittt0sif panic=0 then u shouldn't get in panic :]
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18:23:51umaloneI was about to ask for help when I logged on here, but I found the solution in the FAQ. :)
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18:29:21PaulPositionThis is NOT a request, but an inquiring mind wants to know : Could the vcard/contact patch eventually end up in cvs or is it a big No for being too 'PDA'-like? (I wanna (try to) adapt it to my H10, but I wonder wether long forgotten patches should be just that : forgotten and not changed/reuploaded)..
18:29:50rasherIs it a plugin?
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18:30:28PaulPositionit is, yeah (sry..)
18:30:37PaulPositionshould have mentioned it.
18:31:10rasherWell, in that case there are few things that are "big no"s
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18:33:36PaulPositionYeah, makes sense. Pretty academic anyway, since I haven't actually built anything yet. Guess I'll wonder about spamming the tracker when I actually got something done. :p
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19:00:25amiconnPaulPosition: Most often plugins don't get included because they're limited to one or few targets without reason
19:01:04amiconnI don't think vcards/contacts are cpu intensive, so such a plugin should be all-platform
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19:03:13jhMikeSamiconn: any reason you can think of that a battery bench should end at around 3.65V? I'm kind of stumped as to why mine are and it's clearly not near the battery end. It should be able to run to 3.3V (disabling the auto poweroff) with the pcf setup out of the boot ROM (did a reg dump).
19:03:58amiconnbattery_bench only saves on spinup, and the last spinup might be unsuccessful
19:05:14PaulPositionamiconn - Thanks, I'll have a look anyway, soon as I choose wether to install knoppix to disk or go with the cygwin/vmware route.. As I don't fancy ending up in any sort of credits, I'll probably just adapt to my target and let someone else consider really working on it. If not, no big loss anyway, it's just a silly plugin.
19:05:43PaulPositionDoesn't bench also saves once every hour?
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19:05:56sniper6_2004hey umm how do i uninstall rockbox?
19:05:58jhMikeSThe unit powered itself off. Can't imagine why it should fail with what I believe to be sufficient voltage. Another's X5L ran clear to 3.3V.
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19:07:59amiconnjhMikeS: If you run multiple benchmarks, you will see the end voltage jumping around significantly
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19:08:23jhMikeSNo...ran two and they both end at about the same
19:08:37amiconn3.65V is clearly sufficient, but at the time of the next rebuffer it probably dropped enough to make the disk spinup fail
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19:09:07sniper6_2004umm i have a question for anyone who uses rockbox on an ipod
19:09:15jhMikeSWill the bench shut off the unit in that case?
19:09:28Steve132I use rockbox on an ipod photo
19:09:33amiconnNo, but the new shutdown logic probably will
19:09:52jhMikeSBypassed it or so I thought.
19:09:57sniper6_2004ok well i want to uninstall because rockbox doesnt let me play videos on my video ipod
19:10:14sniper6_2004and it's pretty annoying
19:10:15jhMikeSSet the critical point to 0
19:10:21Steve132don't you have both firmwares on?
19:10:42sniper6_2004i dont know i dont remember if i left it in or deleted it thats why im afraid of bricking it
19:11:03sniper6_2004though im almost sure i left it in
19:11:18Steve132can't you boot to something other than rockbox on boot?
19:11:39newnickif i was interested in exploring a new port, i would probably need to look into embedded programming basics if i'm not familiar w/ it already, right?
19:12:21Steve132try this
19:12:25PaulPositionsniper6 - You should have been able to dualboot to apple's firmware when you want to look at vidz...
19:12:25sniper6_2004i left the ipod control folder in
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19:12:33amiconnsniper6_2004: It's almost impossible to brick an ipod
19:13:17amiconnThe worst thing that can happen is that you need to restore with apple's ipod updater, which will wipe the hd contents
19:13:18Steve132you can almost always restore the original using the apple tools
19:13:32Steve132do you have your ipod right now?
19:13:32sniper6_2004oh yeah i sould just use the apple updater
19:13:39Steve132no...don't do that yet
19:13:47sniper6_2004its connected
19:13:51Steve132ok..d/c it
19:14:38sniper6_2004its booting up
19:14:53sniper6_2004what now?
19:16:01Steve1321 sec
19:16:46Steve132hold play/pause
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19:16:51Steve132not yet
19:16:55Steve132not yet tho
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19:17:09Steve132hold play/pause for 4 seconds and it should shut down
19:17:15Steve132then, as it turns back on
19:17:21Steve132press and hold menu
19:17:27Steve132and keep holding it
19:17:52Steve132until the message "Loading original firmware" comes on your screen
19:17:57sniper6_2004its on
19:18:06Steve132there ya go
19:18:31Steve132to boot back into rockbox
19:18:44Steve132press and hold menu and the select button at the same time
19:18:51Steve132this will cause your ipod to shutdown again
19:18:56sniper6_2004and reset
19:19:15sniper6_2004yay now i dont have to kill it
19:20:09Steve132now that you know how to do that...take a look at this:
19:20:13Steve132thats what I use
19:20:34Steve132it is installable by going to
19:21:09Steve132when your ipod turns on it goes into a graphical boot menu similar to grub and actually lets me choose: Apple firmware, IPL, Rockbox, Disk Mode, or Sleep
19:22:59jhMikeShmmm...guess I'm gonna have to remove any automatic shutdown and try again
19:23:21Steve132Ok...I have a question for anyone out there: Actually two...1st is this: Is the api->mp3_play_data() function multithreaded? Like does it start playback then return or does it block until all the data has been played?
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19:23:34PaulPositionjhmikes - if it doesn't have enough energy to spin the disk, it will be no help dude.
19:25:12jhMikeStrue but it should spin. The curve shows no signs of dying and that's based on unfiltered battery voltage. 3.65V should be way more than enough.
19:25:14Steve132secondly....where can I learn how to make a plugin start from clicking a file in the filemanager...sort of like the mpegplayer does?
19:25:48Paul_the_NerdSteve132: For the second one, you just add the plugin (and associated extension) to viewers.config in the .rockbox folder.
19:25:52jhMikeSI'd better double check the unfiltered bit.
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19:27:53jhMikeSguess it is filtered :P. If it spikes below 3.3V the pcf will power it off. should use the debounce feature.
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19:29:39My_Sichi all
19:29:43My_Sici need some help
19:29:47My_Sici have a problem
19:29:59My_Sici don"t understand
19:30:04My_Sici compil my own rockbox
19:30:08My_Sicwwith some patch
19:30:12My_Sicit was working
19:30:33My_Sicbut until i have update the source with the last cvs
19:30:43My_Sici have codec faillure on my mp3 player
19:31:05My_Sicbut i haven't modify the codec source
19:31:26rasherDid you update the rockbox.something file as well as the entire .rockbox direcotory?
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19:32:17My_Sicall the directory
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19:37:24jhMikeSsuppose next I should do the smart thing and try powering up the device immediately. can't rule that out but I can't rule a lot out atm.
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19:41:50jhMikeSamiconn: was that snippet yesterday of any help to you?
19:44:57amiconnI don't understand how it works, so I guess I have to come up with something usable myself
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19:45:22amiconnThe bmp loader can be made significantly more compact
19:46:19My_Sicsomeone nos about my problem
19:46:32My_Sicsomeone knows about my problem ?
19:47:31jhMikeSgimme a little bit
19:48:12amiconnjhMikeS: Actually I am pondering f-s dithering as well, but that requires one extra line buffer, and read_bmp_file() is already a stack eater
19:48:26Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: Did you use "make zip" and then extract the archive to your player?
19:48:58Paul_the_NerdWhat player do you have?
19:49:09My_Sicipod 60 go 5G
19:49:36Paul_the_NerdOkay, in /.rockbox/ is there a rockbox.ipod file?
19:50:32Paul_the_NerdAre you using any patches?
19:50:50Paul_the_NerdHave you tried an official build with cleared settings?
19:50:57amiconnNow that I know how f-s dithering works, I wonder why the implementations are often so slow. f-s isn't really very complex
19:51:02My_SicPaul_the_Nerd: : <<< here my list of files
19:51:10My_Sicwith an official build it's working
19:51:35Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: So, try compiling an unpatched build. Then try adding one patch at a time and see which patch causes the problem
19:51:46lostlogicPaul_the_Nerd: I'm lolling, but I won't lol at him directly.
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19:51:53lostlogicgah, except that I'm retarded
19:52:09Paul_the_NerdCurse of the internet
19:52:14lostlogicMy_Sic: sorry, if you're using a patched build... I kinda think you're on your own :)
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19:53:26My_SicPaul_the_Nerd: : how to clean all source with the cvs ?
19:53:28jhMikeSfs dithering is horrible on large differences in depth without some other perturbation in the filter.
19:53:56Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: I don't know the best way.
19:54:14lostlogicMy_Sic: probably easiest to just download the source tarball from the cvs builds page
19:55:01lostlogicassuming that the FILES files have all been updated properly :\?
19:55:15My_Sicit's can take several hours to identify which patch cause fail
19:56:04lostlogicMy_Sic: you only have 5 patches, should be pretty straight forward?
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19:56:20lostlogicMy_Sic: and you can probably eliminate the blackjack plugin patch
19:56:24realmhi everyone
19:56:37realmdoes anyone have any themes they are willing to share?
19:56:49My_Sicyes but it's take more than 10 min to compil my rockbox due to an very odl pc
19:56:54realmi just installed rockbox and would like to add a theme
19:57:17lostlogicMy_Sic: you shouldn't need to do a clean build each time.
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19:57:24realmif it's too much of a hassle dont worry about it, thanks anyways
19:57:36My_Sic_[fr]yes i know but i have a very very very old pc
19:57:38Paul_the_Nerdrealm: See the WPS Gallery in the wiki
19:57:47realmok, thanks
19:57:49lostlogicMy_Sic_[fr]: I see :(
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20:04:47lowlightwould anyone object if we no longer compile the dumb lib?
20:04:55lowlightit's not used for any of the codecs
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20:06:47lowlightpreglow: you still following this forum topic...
20:07:20lowlightguy says 48kHz aac's play to slow but when resampled to 44.1 they play fine.
20:07:45lostlogiclowlight: did you have a metadata on buffer patch at some point?
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20:08:17spugjust got my new H320 in the mail!
20:08:39My_Sic_[fr]lucky man you are
20:08:48lowlightlostlogic: nothing that work.
20:09:14bluebrothercan the h120 hardware do 48 kHz recording?
20:09:18lostlogiclowlight: kk, have any insights that you learned from the process that you'd like to share before I next attempt it?
20:10:02bluebrotherI think to remember the h120 being incapable but I can't find anything to verify that ...
20:10:03Paul_the_Nerdbluebrother: I'd heard it can handle 20/48
20:10:08Paul_the_NerdI think
20:10:13Paul_the_NerdOr was it 16/48 OR 20/44?
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20:10:55realmwhere can i find instructions to install a theme?
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20:11:02lowlightlostlogic: no...I had experimented with it by changing the metadata functions to write directly to the buffer rather than the id3.id3v2buf[]
20:11:06amiconnbluebrother: The h1x0 and h300 hardware can record at 11, 22 and 44kHz
20:11:19amiconnOnly s/pdif can record at other rates
20:11:36realmwhere can i find instructions to install a theme?
20:11:42bluebrotheramiconn, thanks.
20:12:54My_Sic_[fr]realm it's easy : just unzip in your .rockbox directory
20:13:06realmoh ok
20:13:11realmonto the ipod right?
20:13:23My_Sic_[fr]yes on the .rockbox directory on you ipod
20:13:35My_Sic_[fr]then you just have to load it in the menu
20:13:41realmsweet thanks
20:13:48My_Sic_[fr]you welcom
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20:15:29realmhtye My_Sic what's your favorite theme dude?
20:15:54My_Sic_[fr]"night theme" because it's don't use battery
20:16:02My_Sic_[fr]but i have change the color to red
20:16:09My_Sic_[fr]the color of text
20:18:31realmi love rockbox already man. this dual boot thing kicks so much ass
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20:19:03realmhow am i supposed to load this on my ipod?
20:19:07realmi dont see an option for it
20:19:21realmoh nvm
20:19:46My_Sic_[fr]i haven"t understand to load a theme or the apple firmware ?
20:19:54My_Sic_[fr](sorry i'm french)
20:20:02realmto load a theme
20:20:07realmit says "loading" but doesnt do anything
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20:20:40realmdoes it need to reboot?
20:20:53My_Sic_[fr]it isn't normal
20:20:55realmit just wont load the theme
20:21:03realmit stays with the black and white one it came with
20:21:24My_Sic_[fr]what theme do you want to load ?
20:22:02realmok im gonna try again
20:24:15realmok it works
20:24:18realmwow this is sweet
20:24:29My_Sic_[fr]yes some theme are very nice
20:24:43My_Sic_[fr]what was wrong ?
20:26:24realmi didnt unload the theme properly
20:26:34realmi had to empty each file into each corresponding folder
20:26:46realmi just unzipped into my ipod lol
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20:33:19PaulPositionWill the bash script check for my current gcc compiler before downloading and installing another one? anyone knows..?
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20:35:56Nimdaeit installs a secondary install
20:36:04Nimdaebut i believe it just installs the cross compilers
20:36:54Nimdaeso if you're worried about inadvertantly replacing your system compiler, it doesn't as far as i can see
20:37:05titusacsry guys but I'm not able to find descramble file to decode my iriver-firmware
20:37:48Paul_the_Nerdtitusac: Why are you trying to manually descramble it?
20:37:59CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
20:37:59*bluebrother should get some time to look into the tarred themes stuff again ...
20:38:17PaulPositionnimdae - Actually I was worried about disk space :p But I'll have a try and see, thanks :)
20:38:23bluebrothertitusac, usually fwpatcher is sufficient. Is there any reason you're trying it the hard way?
20:38:53titusacmhh i'm using linux
20:38:58Nimdaeabout ~150 mb of space for all 3 cross compilers
20:39:10*Paul_the_Nerd wonders if FWPatcher.exe works in ReactOS
20:39:11rasherdescramble is in the tools/ dir of the rockbox source
20:39:15PaulPositionOhhh, that's good enough then, thanks for the info. :)
20:39:18bluebrothertitusac, you can run fwpatcher using wine
20:39:29bluebrotherotherwise run "make" in the tools source dir.
20:39:38rashercan you even do that anymore?
20:39:57rashermake descramble
20:40:54titusacbluebrother, i think i will try running make
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20:41:15rasherYou will have to "make descramble"
20:41:23rasherMake on its own triggers an error
20:41:34rasher(for reasons I do not understand)
20:41:55Nimdaewell, the wiki explains that you should create a build directory and compile in there
20:42:07Nimdaeprobably to keep the binaries separate from everything else
20:42:10bluebrotherrasher, because you should run make from outside the source dir
20:42:21bluebrotherI guess you'll also need scramble ;-)
20:42:39rasherBut don't the tools end up in tools/ anyway?
20:42:41Nimdaemake scramble
20:42:55bluebrotheryes, but the default target simply drops an error message
20:42:57titusacsry to viewing the sources was the next entry on my todo list
20:43:03Nimdaei hate when i type in the wrong window
20:43:22rasherbluebrother: which is why I don't quite understand - why not let the tools be built that way?
20:44:00Paul_the_Nerdrasher: So that people don't run configure within tools? It's just an extra layer of safety precautions, I think...
20:44:01bluebrotherfor the tools this is indeed a question ...
20:44:03spugdoes anyone know if H320 no longer ship with remotes? i got two sets of earphones instead of the non-LCD remote
20:44:16rasherPaul_the_Nerd: I believe that is already checked in the configure script
20:44:38Paul_the_Nerdrasher: I dunno.
20:44:41rasher(that you're not running from the same directory as configure is in)
20:44:52rasher[rasher@gaia tools]$ ./configure
20:44:52rasherWEEEEEEEEP. Don't run this configure script within the tools directory.
20:45:55bluebrothera weeping computer?
20:45:58amiconnrasher: It's rather obvious why you can't just run 'make' in tools
20:46:11rasherWhy then?
20:46:12amiconnThe required tools differ by target
20:46:30rasherBut "make" in tools could simply build everything you never have to build all of them unless you compile for the majority of targets
20:47:26rasher(this is what was done previously)
20:47:42rasherI don't really understand the reasoning behind this
20:48:03rasherWhat should Nimdae do? If he has no desire to build Rockbox, but simply needs the tools
20:48:21rasherI guess it's "make scramble descramble etc"
20:48:25jhMikeSamiconn: hope that pastebin helps. could barely read my crummy code from years ago myself :P
20:48:52Nimdaeat the very least it should provide the available make targets
20:48:54amiconnjhMikeS: I hope so. Would be nice to have a 16x16 matrix as well though (for dithering to mono)
20:49:31amiconnI also wonder about the differences between the standard ordered matrix and the magic square matrix
20:49:49amiconnSome articles say that magic square give less diagonal stripes
20:49:49jhMikeSthat's just the matrix I pasted yesterday
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20:50:20amiconnAh, so the 16x16 matrix would be the raw matrix from that code?
20:51:23jhMikeSreally, we could just store that one and rescale it to whatever is needed atm
20:55:16titusacanyone an idea which filesystem is used by roxbox?
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20:55:44titusacwunderfull thnx
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20:57:12Nimdaei built the ipod video target on 2 different boxes and one had a ton of warnings
20:57:42Nimdaethe other did not
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21:00:34Nimdaedisabled ccache and warnings gone
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21:02:23titusacwow it's been working
21:02:28titusaci never expect this
21:02:41titusac+ have
21:03:14titusaci installed rockbox the first time :)
21:03:39Kittt0sthen you should get a lolypop!
21:04:16markuntitusac: congratulations! Which player?
21:04:36titusacthank you
21:04:49markunnice players (mine is only a H120)
21:04:55Nimdaei was surprised how easy it is to install
21:05:06titusacme too
21:05:33Nimdaehah, my linuxb ox here at home takes 6min30sec to compile rockbox for ipod video, linux box at work 1min43sec
21:05:37titusacwow much faste than the old firmware
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21:06:22markuntitusac: somewhere in the menu you can enable dircache. It makes browsing a lot faster.
21:06:40markunOr is it enabled by default now?
21:06:55Nimdaei thought i read somewhere that it wasn't recommended to enable it
21:07:02Nimdaei could be wrong ;)
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21:07:17rashermarkun: not yet I believe
21:07:22tomalDoes anyone know why some codecs store codec_api pointer in two variables: ci and rb?
21:07:36markunNimdae: I've used it for many months now
21:08:20Nimdaei haven't really messed with it so i can't say anything about it, heh
21:08:35rasherI'm working on convincing everyone that dircache should be on by default
21:08:44*markun is all for it
21:08:55markunonly on targets with enough RAM of course
21:09:00Nimdaei can't find the setting now :(
21:09:05rashertomal: Might just be a convenience thing, from when the codecs were regular plugins
21:09:16rashermarkun: Yeah, I think it should be default when MEM > 8mb
21:09:29preglowtomal: just old code, mainly
21:09:50preglowyes, what rasher said
21:10:45Nimdaeah, found it
21:11:34Nimdaeit'd be nice if scrolling with the clickwheel was faster :(
21:11:35markunNimdae: you will have to reboot
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21:12:05Nimdaei already did
21:12:12Nimdaescrolling with the clickwheel is just slow in general
21:12:33Nimdaeit appears to be tied to cpu speed
21:12:43Nimdaebecause it scrolls a lot faster when the cpu kicks up to 75mhz
21:13:19Nimdaeor at least when it's buffering, causing high disk activity
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21:13:39Nimdaemaybe it's yielding a lot mroe during that time
21:14:38Nimdaenope, it's not just when it's buffering from disk
21:14:52titusacmhh the radio doesn't work
21:15:58markuntitusac: you don't get any sound?
21:16:17titusaci don't
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21:17:19tomalI want to save memory by putting codec's bss and iramcopy in the same place. The codec would copy iram and clear bss at initialization.
21:17:50tomalIt will work unless codec is initialized (run from the very beginning) more than once after it's loaded.
21:18:25tomalI don't think it may happen, but I may be wrong. Anyone knows?
21:20:36titusacis there an operation system on rockbox
21:21:21rasherRockbox is an operating system.
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21:22:52realmhow do i access the file browser?
21:22:56realmim using an ipod
21:22:57bluebrotherI'd rather call it a firmware ...
21:23:16bluebrotherrealm, you are in the file browser as default view (as long as you didn't change that)
21:23:27realmi dont see that
21:23:35realmand i didnt change it
21:23:40realmi just finished installing the firmware
21:23:41bluebrotherdescribe "don't see" a bit more ...
21:23:51realmwhat i see on my main screen when i boot is:
21:24:04bluebrotheryou start up in the file browser. Per default only supported files get shown.
21:24:24bluebrotheri.e. iPod_Control (the main itunes folder) doesn't get shown as it is hidden.
21:24:26realmthats what my menu looks like when i boot
21:24:51rasherrealm: that's the contents of your ipod's harddisk
21:24:53bluebrotherthat's not a menu. It's the browser. Change the view to "all" and you'll see the ipod folders
21:25:14bluebrotherrasher, sure? "contacts" in the context menu?
21:25:37realmim not sure what it is, this is what i see after i finish installing the firmware
21:25:46realmand 100% im in rockbox not in the ipod
21:25:48rasherbluebrother: I don't understand
21:25:53realmim using a theme and everything
21:26:05realmi just dont see how to access the file browser
21:26:36bluebrotherrasher, sorry. Mixed up "contents" and "context".
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21:27:35realmim so confused lol
21:27:39realmis this not what everyone sees after finishing the installation?
21:27:57bluebrotherit is.
21:28:04realmits similar to the main menu of the apple firmware but much smaller and with a file looking icon next to it
21:28:22realmso how do i access the file browser?
21:28:28rasherYou are in the file browser
21:28:31rasherthis is the file browser
21:28:50bluebrotherrealm, I suggest you to read this:
21:28:50rasherThose are directories and files on your ipod
21:28:53realmi dont see a way to look through the files on my ipod though
21:29:05realmthey dont look like directories or files
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21:29:15realmthey look like a menu
21:29:19bluebrotherhow does a directory "look"?
21:29:33realmits almost exactly like the apple firmware meny
21:29:37realmbut smaller
21:29:57bluebrotheryeah, the default font is pretty small on devices with bigger resolution.
21:30:11bluebrotherI suggest using iCatcher as theme as a start.
21:30:30PaulPositionindeed... Don't forget that folders are like a tree, branching out to subfolders and files. Without a fancy Aqua look with icons, folders could look just like what you're seeing y'know.
21:30:43rasherrealm: Your music files are in a folder called "Ipod_Control", which is hidden by default
21:30:51realmok then lets say they are folders dude
21:31:00rasherThey are. Trust us.
21:31:02realmmy question is why cant i look at the folders that are on my ipod?
21:31:08rasherYou are looking at them.
21:31:18realmcan i access the music from the apple firmware?
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21:31:31rasherrealm: Those are in the (hidden) Ipod_control foler
21:31:38rasherWith stupid names
21:31:40markunpreglow: would be nice to record radio and play it back through the DSP..
21:31:44PaulPositionYou sure will be able to, but you'll need to unhide the folder. I don't know macOS enough to help with that though.
21:31:45realmis there a way to see them?
21:31:49SoulDeaDrealm you can but the original firmware puts all files in one directory and obfuscates their names
21:32:07rasherrealm: go into the meny, and enter "General settings > file browser > show files > all"
21:32:08realmim on windows not on macOS
21:32:12bluebrotherrealm, read this short section:
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21:32:18realmi did read it blue
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21:32:43PaulPositionoh sorry, realm. thought you were on a mac.
21:32:44preglowmarkun: yeah, i believe that is on someone's agenda too :>
21:32:57realmyo rasher i dont have "file browser" only "file view"
21:33:08preglowÃpower consumption of the radio would go up drastically, thiugh
21:33:20markunpreglow: I never use radio, but I really missed crossfeed when I tried it just now
21:33:30realmoh ok that worked nevermind rasher
21:34:18realmshit i see what you're saying now....i dont see the file names of my music
21:34:42bluebrotherrealm, read the section on tagcache
21:34:50preglowmarkun: by no means impossible anyway, perhaps it'll happen now that we've got a proper recording interface
21:35:05realmis that the link u last sent?
21:35:07preglowwhich reminds me i should code that effects plugin to see if it works
21:35:37bluebrotheryes, and the previous also mentioned it.
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21:36:13bluebrotheror just download the pdf manual and look into the "browsing and playing" chapter.
21:36:30Jriffleanyone interested in buying my MEGF40 40 beater ?
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21:36:46realmoh ok
21:36:49titusaci cant decide wich theme i want
21:37:31bluebrothertitusac, what means "can't decide"? Does something not work or is it simply you being indifferent?
21:37:46bluebrotherif it "doesn't work" make sure to install the fonts package
21:38:07titusacoh sry i make a fault
21:40:32realmok i just read about the tag cache bluebrother
21:40:33realmim initialising it now
21:40:42realmwill that allow me to see files by tag?
21:41:06realmall the files that are affected by the apple firmware as well?
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21:42:43realmok its working now but i can only view the name of the song when i select it to be played, not when im browsing
21:42:43realmis this correct?
21:43:00realmor does it require a reboot?
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21:45:08realmsorry if im bothering you guys :\ i really am reading this stuff before im asking questions
21:45:41realmi rebooted and it commited the tag cache but when i browse i still dont see the filenmes
21:46:22bluebrotherrealm, tagcache doesn't show filenames, it shows the files' tags instead
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21:46:46bluebrotherI believe it's the same way the apple firmware allows browsing.
21:46:55realmi got it to work
21:47:07realmits browsing by id3
21:47:17realmi just didnt set it in file view yet
21:47:20realmwow i love this! lol
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21:48:32realmok im done bugging you guys lol
21:48:37realmim extremely happy now
21:48:39bluebrothertry to take the time reading through the manual. It explains quite a lot (even if it's incomplete)
21:48:53realmyea i downloaded it so i have a copy
21:49:03realmis there a way to put the manual on your ipod?
21:49:09realmor is it not able to read PDF's?
21:49:24bluebrotheryou can put it on but currently there is no way displaying pdf's
21:49:39bluebrotheryou can build yourself a txt version and read that on the device.
21:49:46jhMikeSamiconn: there? steered you wrong on the raw matrix for mono. each value should be div 2 for mono. just use: raw_mtx_element >> target_depth for any depth at all.
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21:49:57rasherbluebrother: on that subject, is there any way to make the filenames more meaningful?
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21:50:18bluebrotherfilenames of the manual?
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21:51:54bluebrotherwe could trick it a bit to get something like manual-ch1.html
21:52:52bluebrotherI agree that rockbox-build.html is a bit ... strange.
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21:54:00bluebrotherbut renaming would break quite a couple of links ... of course this could get handled by mod_rewrite.
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21:59:22*petur wonders why the latest commit includes a 'goto' statement?
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22:05:26lostlogicgotos are sometimes the correct way to handle things
22:05:50lostlogicand almost definitely so in this case
22:06:03rasherfwpatcher has a bunch
22:06:20rasherI felt like I had landed in the 60s
22:06:35rasherBut it's not terribly confusing or horrible, really
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22:12:57lostlogicthere are definitely times when I curse java's lack of goto, or at least break-to-label.
22:13:45petursorry, never used it since gwbasic
22:13:57peturnever needed it, too
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22:17:06Mmmmwith a goto is code skipped inbetween?
22:17:18peturlike a jump
22:17:45Mmmmit never goes back?
22:17:51peturI call it the lazy programmers statement
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22:18:27peturI have already done projects wher break and continue were banned
22:18:49Bagderpeople come up with the weirdest rules
22:19:00peturpharmacy industry
22:19:01rasherbreak and continue
22:19:09rasherI can see banning goto..
22:19:32zeer, doesn't that implicitly ban switch statements?
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22:19:52peturlol, no it was allowed in switch statements
22:19:58petur*only* there
22:20:12Bagderthey should've banned statements in general ;-)
22:20:17Bagdersimpler code
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22:20:38pixelmaanyone who's interested in the new usb logos I made... comments are welcome. I'm especially interested in opinions of Archos users - to know if they also want a new one :)
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22:20:45BagderI did several projects where including from include files was banned
22:20:53peturI later had to review some code of them and found a 5000 line constructor of a class...
22:20:58Bagderpretty annoying
22:21:22peturhad much fun writing the review ;)
22:22:11peturthey run inspection systems at some very big companies so better check up on those pills before taking them ;)
22:22:29realmi just have to say again....i love rockbox this thing kicks so much ass
22:22:51realmwhoever wrote this program is awsome
22:23:04realmdo they take donations?
22:23:17realmim gonna have to donate some cash
22:23:58preglowpixelma: i think they look nice
22:24:13preglowdefinitely better than what we have
22:24:29*petur drops of his chair
22:24:40realmmost people are probably using this for the ipod x5 right?
22:24:50Genre9mp3pixelma: Very nice work! :) you certainly get my vote... I think we should change Archos, too.. it's better than the old one and we have to keep it consistent
22:25:00preglowrealm: there really isn't a "most people", all kinds of people using all kinds of players drop in
22:25:15realmoh alright
22:25:17preglowand i donÃ't get a feeling ipod people are what we get the most of anyway
22:25:38peturmaybe most questions, not most users ;)
22:25:50realmhey guys can u tell me what your favorite theme for ipod x5 is?
22:26:01realmim looking through some themes right now
22:26:02rasherI think 5G is what you mean
22:26:12realmoh ok
22:26:47realmwhats your favorite themes guys?
22:27:38preglowdon't use any
22:27:47preglowi remember using something called "tango" something on the nano, though
22:27:49preglowwhich looked nice
22:29:24preglowpixelma: i don't really know how the archos usb graphics look, but i don't it looks any better. commit! ;)
22:29:33preglowi suck
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22:30:28bluebrotherpixelma, great logos
22:30:35rasherI would imagine it looks like it does on all targets now?
22:30:44realmhey guys what do i do with the .psd file in the theme folders for ipod g5?
22:30:49preglowrasher: yeah, now that you say it, so would i
22:30:54realmits not setup like the last theme i installed
22:31:10preglowisn't that a photoshop file?
22:31:12realmyea its for the theme
22:31:24rasherThat's not used for the theme
22:31:32realmno .psp is a photoshop file i believe
22:31:33peturrealm: the psd is probably the source of the gfx, don't put it on your ipod
22:31:33realmits not?
22:31:34rasherit's just there becausse the author felt like providing it
22:31:45rasherpsp is paint shop pro. psd is photoshop
22:31:54realmohhh ok
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22:32:49pixelmarasher: yes it does but it does look a bit different on its screen as it has non-square pixels (that's why it looks strectched in the preview)
22:33:18pixelmathe new usb logo I mean..
22:33:18rasherAh, didn't think of that
22:33:46peturhmmm... transparency :)
22:33:56My_Sici don't understand i have apply my patch one by one all woring
22:34:12My_Sicand the rockbox compiled by me working on my ipod
22:34:29My_Sici haven't now "faillure codec"
22:36:15peturyou need to copy everything, not just the rockbox.ipod file
22:36:22petur-> make zip
22:36:32peturand unzip that
22:37:19Paul_the_Nerdpetur: He was having that error before. I *think* he's saying he doesn't now.
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22:42:10My_Sici have done all (before and now), i don't know why the rockbox fail
22:42:36My_Sicit isn't due to any unzip or copy problem
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22:48:55PaulPositiontagcache_1.tcd, tagcache_1.tcd ... tagcache_8.tcd Should I delete the 'extra' databases?
22:49:19amiconnjhMikeS: Thanks.
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22:56:31amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, regarding your idea of using a 32 bit framebuffer and dma for the lcd update: one major drawback would be that all native bitmaps would be twice as large
22:57:06amiconn(rockbox logo, usb logo, maybe icons one day...)
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22:58:35jhMikeSamiconn: I know cause I had to add a new format to bmp2rb :)
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23:00:30jhMikeSThat's why "slow bitmaps" that need color conversion to be drawn could be used instead for ones that are rarely used. that's pretty small code to do really.
23:02:29amiconnWouldn't really save much space
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23:11:58jhMikeSusing 18bits packed instead of 32? Would save almost 44% at the limiting case...good for the logos since they're large.
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23:46:24amiconn18 bits? That'll be a nightmare to convert...
23:46:35amiconnI thhoguh you meant 24 bits
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