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#rockbox log for 2006-11-15

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00:08:30*scorche wonders why LinusN edited Bagder's post
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00:19:00JdGordonyay, just dropped 600 bytes or something by using the actual & or global_settings items instead of their offsets..
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00:29:29preglowgo gcc
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00:42:10spugi'm using linux, and i just connected my iriver to the computer. how can i found it and mount it?
00:42:18rasherrun demsg
00:42:40rasherSee which devicename it was given
00:42:58rasherthen run something like mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /where/you/want/it/mounted
00:44:14spugdmesg doesn't seem to change when I connect or disconnect it
00:44:23rasherThat's... peculiar
00:44:35rasherDoes the iriver show the usb connected logo?
00:45:20spughmm, no, just "charging"
00:46:12rasherAh, h300 .. I'm not quite sure what the trick is
00:46:27rasher(I have a h120 which doesn't support charging from usb)
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00:46:37rasherYou have to hold down some button when plugging the usb or something like that
00:47:04spugthe manual doesn't mention anything like that for windows at least
00:47:39Wetthi there
00:48:32rasherI'm pretty sure that's what's happening.. someone with a h300 should be able to help you
00:48:43spugokay, thanks
00:49:21Wettthis is certainly a bad question, but i'd like to use the pcmbuf_insert_split codec function from a plugin... I managed to get it compile, but it just crashes the simulator ^^
00:49:37Wettany idea ?
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00:55:51*jhMikeS is looking forward to the BSP so he can fix up the encoder settings from the BRP
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01:06:59preglowlsd didn't come out of berkeley...
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01:08:57John2583my friend just updated his ipods firmware
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01:09:10jhMikeSit makes you think it did then?
01:10:02John2583and now he can't get to rockbox.. so he re did the bootloader step in install instructions. it booted rockbox, but then after booting original firmware once rockbox no longer comes up on boot.. think this is apple trying to keep rockbox from running?
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01:26:58SoapJohn2583: origial firmware has 2 shutdown modes.
01:27:15John2583hold play/pause?
01:27:23SoapFirst it sleeps, and restores instantly into Apple Firmware.
01:27:24John2583what do you mean
01:27:38SoapSecond it actually shuts off, and accesses the disk again to boot.
01:27:54SoapSo, when Apple Firmware is asleep it won't reload the bootloader, thus no rockbox.
01:28:11SoapTo force a reboot I believe it is Menu+Select(center0
01:28:18Soaphold for 5-10 seconds.
01:28:59John2583thank you very much Soap
01:29:03John2583that fixed it for him
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01:58:24XavierGrany german speaking person here?
01:58:43pixelmayes :)
01:59:04XavierGrah hi pixelma!
02:03:42*Paul_the_Nerd has made the "Unsupported Builds" forum alphabetical since it's an informational forum rather than a discussion forum.
02:04:11JdGordonnow what have you been told about using your initiative Paul_the_Nerd!
02:05:23scorchehrm...i wonder if it would be useful to separate by architecture into sub-forums as well
02:05:38JdGordonwith the new config file saveing stuff... I think it would be a good idea to have an option to only save settings which are used in themes, anyone agree?
02:05:41Paul_the_Nerdscorche: We have exactly *one* page of them right now
02:06:05*scorche thought he just barely saw 2
02:06:12Paul_the_NerdI cleared off off-topic threads
02:06:15Paul_the_NerdIt's exactly 1 as of right now
02:06:23scorchebut it will grow of course
02:06:49JdGordonhow about having a sticky there with a list of each custom build?
02:06:54JdGordonthen sort it by date again
02:07:03Paul_the_NerdWhy does date matter?
02:07:06scorcheand at the very least, we need to institute 5g vs video although i am sure you are planning on that
02:07:40Paul_the_NerdYes, it will be 5G-32 and 5G-64, to be shortened to 5G once we have automatic RAM.
02:07:42scorcheas in a structured way of making titles
02:07:44JdGordonbecause, it should be assumed that newwer threads have a newer version, so abandoned verisons can die
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02:08:05Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: Abandoned threads will be deleted in time (and SHOULD be deleted by the author)
02:08:17JdGordonoh, ok
02:08:27scorcheif all else, we can change the subject
02:08:32Paul_the_NerdJdGordon: As for newer versions, any post that has been "Edited" or has a new post will have the (NEW) tag next to it.
02:08:32scorcheor delet
02:08:42scorchewell, *i* cant ;)
02:08:45Paul_the_NerdSo, mostly the forum becomes self-organizing.
02:09:08PowerMacIn the latest nano daily build, are the codecs in the release? I'm getting nothing but "Codec Failure" messages.
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02:09:43scorchePaul_the_Nerd: so what is the plan once we get past 1 page?
02:10:34Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I think people can go to the second page.
02:10:36scorchecan we increase the number of threads viewed on an individual forum basis?
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02:11:50scorchePowerMac: i have not tested, but the codecs are present
02:12:46scorchehave you cleared your settings and did you do a complete update? (copy over the .rockbox folder as well as the rockbox.ipod file)
02:12:58Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I want the Unsupported Builds forum, and the New Ports forum to be easier for a new person to find a useful thread in, I think alphabetizing does that much more than sorting by newness, I mean the frequency scaling build doesn't update often, but it's widely used.
02:13:55scorchei find it as well..i think it is a good idea...i just am not too fond of the idea that it will go past 1 isnt a big deal, but items on the second page can be shunned by newcomers
02:14:30Paul_the_NerdThat is a small problem
02:15:02Paul_the_NerdI *may* sticky a READ ME FIRST for the two alphabetical forums explaining that the layout is different, so maybe people will have a better chance of finding what they need.
02:15:36Paul_the_NerdA reader's guideline to complement the posting guidelines.
02:15:53scorchewhich can be fixed temporarily by increasing the number of threads viewed, or less temporarily by sorting by arch
02:16:21Paul_the_NerdYeah, but what happens when an arch surpasses one page?
02:16:47scorchei dont i said..less temporarily
02:16:55Paul_the_NerdI think I'm happy with this for now.
02:16:59Paul_the_NerdBut I will think on it.
02:17:09Paul_the_NerdIt's never too late to change it again.
02:17:13scorcheunfortunately, not as many people as we would like read the guidelines...they are nice to point to when people do wrong, but i would like to not have to point at all
02:17:48scorchei am as well...i just feel bad for the first person to get onto the second page ;)
02:17:49Paul_the_NerdBut what happens if a build ever crosses architectures?
02:18:10Paul_the_NerdLike an H300 / iPod 5G / X5 / H10 20GB build?
02:18:16scorchei was thinking of a multiple arch sub-forum as well
02:18:34JdGordonno, then its getting too complicated
02:18:52scorcheand of course, the H10 would go with ipods and would say so in the forum description
02:19:05Paul_the_NerdThe way I see it, it's not a list of threads.
02:19:12Paul_the_NerdIt's a list of VERY limited subforums, one per build.
02:19:19Paul_the_NerdOur Forums don't move around, so why should the subforums?
02:19:31scorcheJdGordon: slightly, but what better way is there?...we could just leave it this way as well
02:20:19scorchehrm...i see it as a list of threads =/
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02:22:50*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs.
02:23:11Paul_the_NerdI dunno...
02:23:18*scorche shrugs along with Paul_the_Nerd
02:23:36*Strogg wonders why people are shrugging.. *shrug*
02:24:11*JdGordon starts the painful task of moving the new menu code in.. oh. and shrugs
02:24:24*scorche wonders why someone has to enclose an action with asterisks in an emote
02:24:46Stroggscorche: it's a special syntax for nested emotes. :)
02:25:01JdGordonnestes emotes??
02:25:13JdGordonlike shru-burb-g ?
02:25:36Stroggthat looks like something out of Call of Cthulu
02:25:48Stroggor the next wireless standard.
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02:29:20SoapIt would be nice if the rockbox forums contained (more/any) iriver custom builds.
02:29:59scorchethat isnt up to us
02:30:08SoapThey appear to be mostly on MysticRiver. I'm a large fan of everything in one place, and feel it is a shame they are split.
02:30:12SoapI grok that.
02:31:26Paul_the_NerdMisticriver seems to be to a certain extent a very closed community.
02:31:34Paul_the_NerdI'm surprised how often people try to give bug reports there
02:31:53Paul_the_NerdI know we do get a good amount of people from it, but there's also a very large amount who never even *see* the official site.
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02:47:37StroggIs the source code for the build environment still in CVS on sourceforge?
02:48:07StroggI'm getting a no route to host when I try to connect to just wondering if things have changed and the webpage hasn't been updated
02:49:27scorchewhen was it ever on sourceforge?
02:49:33JdGordonages and ages ago
02:50:15Stroggcvs login
02:50:22Stroggfrom the wiki..
02:50:38rasherThat's only for some gmini specific bits that were developed outside of Rockbox
02:51:18scorchehence it only being under the gmini section
02:51:22Stroggahh ok
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03:30:44Davide-NYCI just recieved my non-lcd remote from New Zealand!
03:30:49Davide-NYCIt sucks!
03:33:39Soapdoes it have a sister?
03:33:53scorcheor a ferret?
03:35:06Soapbut, straight up, what don't yuou like about it? I always thought a remote should be smaller than those LCD ones.
03:35:28Davide-NYCit's a lot smaller.
03:35:41Davide-NYCI just wanted it for completeness.
03:36:08SoapThe entire collection. All the Barbies.
03:36:08Davide-NYCnow I have at least one of each iriver remote and both units
03:36:22Davide-NYCso far I've already found one wierd bug
03:36:29Davide-NYCI can;t turn on the player with this remote
03:36:55Davide-NYCBut I have to go now. I wanted to just let the channel know for the record that I am remote master!
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03:40:26bsk8er48Any one got a 5.5 here?
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03:43:25JdGordonfor some reason it is the new menu system which is screweing everything up!
03:48:36Soapbsk8er48: what is your question?
03:49:46bsk8er48will i got rockbox and apple os bootin fine through loader2 now on 5.5
03:50:01bsk8er48and i was wondering if it is possible to get ipodlinux going on it to
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03:50:52scorchethen go to #ipodlinux or whatever channel they have ;)
03:51:06bsk8er48aww but rockboxers are the best
03:51:08bsk8er48lol ok
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03:52:28bsk8er48and sry scorche u can delete those posts on that 5.5 topic if u want
03:52:41bsk8er48i emailed Der
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04:53:20*JdGordon wins the prize for the biggest wtf bug!
04:58:58goffacreating or killing?
04:59:25JdGordonfor some reason my new menu system causes retarted boosting problems..
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05:29:04JdGordonw00t.. i've narrowed the bug down to a 1function
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05:44:00summatusmentisI realize this is the rockbox channel, but could someone give me a usability analysis of rockbox vs. apple vs. ipodlinux?
05:45:05rigelwtf do you mean by "usability analysis"
05:45:20rigelas though theres some sort of objective measure of usability
05:45:51*scorche types up a 2000 word essay and hands it to summatusmentis by the due-date
05:46:11summatusmentisrigel, scorche, that's fair
05:46:25scorcheseriously though...what do you mean?
05:46:37summatusmentissorry, I'm tired of the itunesdb setup, and I'm looking for an alternative
05:46:57summatusmentispros and cons of rockbox vs. ipodlinux, I guess
05:46:58scorchethen you have narrowed it down to ipl and rockbox
05:47:10scorchewell...we have different philosophies
05:47:51summatusmentisdifferent philosophies?
05:47:57scorchewe focus on the best/most audio-specific features and options we can put in, ipl focuses more on the "cool" things
05:48:16summatusmentisdoes rockbox do video?
05:48:26scorcheit is a work in progress
05:48:37scorcheso *technically* yes
05:48:55summatusmentisthat's the impression I got of the entire ipl projects, at least for my iPod
05:49:25summatusmentis"work in progress", that is
05:49:46scorchewell, their video function is further along than ours
05:49:55scorchebut then again, we dont really focus on video
05:50:31summatusmentisI'm gonna have to spend one saturday trying both, I guess
05:50:43scorcheyou can have both on your device
05:50:48scorcheat the same time
05:51:27summatusmentisI suppose I should've expected that
05:52:04summatusmentisdoes ipodlinux use the 'external hd' model for file transfer?
05:52:18scorchenot sure what you mean by that
05:52:38scorchewe both use apple's disk mode to transfer
05:52:41summatusmentisrockbox you can put your music on in any format you want right?
05:52:53summatusmentissorry, by format I mean file structure
05:53:10scorcheand by file structure what do you mean?
05:53:37summatusmentisthe apple firmware requires the itunesdb be updated, and the music be stored in f*
05:54:00summatusmentismy understanding is that you can just transfer music to the HD, and rockbox will recognize it?
05:54:20scorchedrag-and drop
05:54:20summatusmentisf00, f01, f02 - I'm used to to linux CLI notation, sorry
05:54:28summatusmentisis ipl similar?
05:54:55summatusmentisok, thanks
05:55:04*summatusmentis is a newb when it comes to this sort of thing
05:55:09summatusmentisthanks for bearing with me
05:55:29scorcheit was tough, but i got through =P
05:56:16summatusmentisok, I may be around again, thanks
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06:00:52StroggWoop. got my toolchain built.
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07:49:58amiconnkkurbjun: Red builds!
07:50:06kkurbjunyep, I'm fixing that
07:50:57amiconnMonochrome targets don't have lcd_set_backdrop
07:51:54kkurbjunyeah, I changed all the plugins to include an if LCD_DEPTH>1
07:52:03kkurbjunand plugin.c/h
07:52:30kkurbjunnow, if the build servers would start up again..
07:52:52kkurbjunI think I fixed all the monochrome
07:53:34kkurbjunThere were only a couple of plugins that I changed beyond the lcd_set_backdrop stuff
07:54:00kkurbjunsolitare was one - it looked pretty good with the backdrop
08:00:59Nimdaelooks like the build servers are almost done, kermit has nothing left to do :P
08:01:50Nimdaeyup, done
08:02:10kkurbjunlooks clean
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08:04:09Nimdaei bet once i resolve the memory usage issue of one of my services, kermit will build a bit faster
08:06:07*JdGordon is soo pissed off
08:06:22Nimdaei didn't do it
08:06:39JdGordoni found out what was causing all the problems in the menu recoding
08:07:00JdGordonim 99% sure it was the way dynamic menus were being done
08:08:34scorchego on...
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08:09:37MeRKuRiAlhi guys :)
08:09:43JdGordonbecause of the way lists are drawn, it was calling a loop which called the calback for each menu item every redraw, which looks like it caused the audio thread to think the cpu was being throttled so i boosted..
08:09:47JdGordoni _think_
08:10:07MeRKuRiAli've accidentally deleted my ipod macintosh formatted ipod under linux
08:10:35JdGordonhow do you deleted hardware?
08:10:39scorcheand what can we do for you?
08:10:47MeRKuRiAlnot exactly
08:10:54Nimdaei know how to delete hardware
08:10:54MeRKuRiAlI deleted the partition table
08:11:06Nimdaethrow it in the trash
08:11:21JdGordonif its mac formatted, then rockbox cant run, so we cant help
08:11:21scorcheNimdae: that doesnt properly delete it though...
08:11:31Nimdaewell, of course, you have to empty it
08:11:34MeRKuRiAlI'd need a copy of a factory default partition table (dd if=/dev/sdX of=factorymbr)
08:11:39Nimdaethat's where the garbage collector comes in
08:11:49scorcheJdGordon: you ruined the thing i was going to say when he got to the questuion =(
08:11:53MeRKuRiAlwell, all I want righ now is recover my music
08:12:00JdGordonsorry :p
08:12:06scorcheMeRKuRiAl: we cant help you
08:12:10Nimdaeif you deleted the partition, you deleted the music
08:12:24MeRKuRiAlI only deleted the partition table
08:12:29scorchehe said partition table
08:12:29MeRKuRiAlthe data is still there
08:12:35JdGordongoto #ipodlinux
08:12:42Nimdaeremake it exactly how it was and don't format
08:12:44scorcheor even #apple or #ipod
08:12:45Nimdaeshould be good to go
08:13:19MeRKuRiAlnimdae: that's what I'm trying to do, if only I knew how exactly it was...
08:13:30scorcheNimdae: and how do you do that exactly? =P
08:13:38Nimdaeyou can use fdisk in linux
08:13:39*scorche is slow tonight
08:13:46Nimdaebut i dunno how it was laid out
08:13:58Nimdaemine isn't mac formatted ;)
08:14:12MeRKuRiAli have a fresh copy of a windows formatted ipod's partition table
08:14:29MeRKuRiAlbut mine right now was mac formatted
08:14:33scorcheMeRKuRiAl: as i said...we cant really help you...
08:14:47MeRKuRiAlbtw, any hope of getting hfsplus support on rockbox?
08:14:57Nimdaeif you program it ;)
08:15:04scorcheif someone comes along that will do it, yes
08:15:11scorchebut we are not concerned with doing it atm
08:15:17*Nimdae passes out cookies
08:15:18MeRKuRiAlscorche: thx anyway, I see over here all ipods are rockbox enabled, hence not mac formatted...
08:16:15JdGordonAh crap... my fix didnt work :'(
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08:16:56Nimdaei could take a guess at the partition table, i would suspect the first partition would be the same on both windows and apple formatted ipods, the only difference would be the partition type on the second partition...some drivers ignore it, some rely on it
08:17:00Nimdaeoh, he left
08:17:08*scorche giggles a bit
08:17:28Nimdaeand someone made a commit to cvs, lol
08:17:34Nimdaeload shot up on kermit
08:18:03*JdGordon thinks there should be a message on the cvs page saying "we are not a ipod help room, only rockbox"
08:18:36*scorche wonders the use of it being on the CVS page
08:18:44Nimdaehell, rockbox != ipod in any way shape or form
08:18:46JdGordonirc page of course :p
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08:26:44JdGordongrr... narrowed it down to 10 bloody lines... but it all looks fine :'(
08:27:03Nimdaeit always does
08:27:18Nimdaeyou stare at it, you read it over and over, you print it out and look at it
08:27:29Nimdaethen one day it hits you and you feel like the most retarded person in the world
08:27:35Nimdaeat least, that's what happens to me
08:27:39JdGordonif (menu->submenus[i]->menu_callback)
08:27:43JdGordon {
08:27:44Nimdaelike when i leave off a ;
08:27:47JdGordon if (menu->submenus[i]->menu_callback(ACTION_ENTERING_MENUITEM,
08:27:51JdGordon menu->submenus[i])
08:27:59JdGordon {
08:28:03JdGordon current_subitems[current_subitems_count] = i;
08:28:04JdGordon current_subitems_count++;
08:28:04JdGordon }
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08:28:04JdGordon }
08:28:04JdGordonsomething there...
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08:28:04JdGordonit must be the callback being naughty.. but they look fine also :'(
08:28:06Nimdaeit all looks foreign to me :P
08:28:29JdGordonthat was me bumping my talk stats in the channel :D
08:28:51scorchescorche: scorche scorche scorche
08:28:53scorchemy turn
08:29:03Nimdaei can always paste the crc32 lookup table from the ogg format that i ported to TCL >.>
08:29:21JdGordonplease dont :D
08:29:43Nimdaerockbox needs tcl/tk
08:29:44amiconnNimdae: YOu can't
08:29:51scorcheno it doesnt
08:29:57Nimdaeyes it does
08:30:03Nimdaethen i can make rockbox leet
08:30:12amiconnFreenode cuts verbatim pastes after 10 lines
08:30:29Nimdaeit wouldn't be verbatim
08:30:51JdGordonmost clients can put a pause between lines
08:30:55JdGordonso you dont get kicked
08:31:10Nimdaeirssi just makes you confirm
08:31:36Nimdaei had to rewrite a big chunk of an ogg decoder in tcl because i knew tcl and not c
08:32:19Nimdaeand i hate the crc32 implementation in tcl
08:35:29Nimdaei should go in and write a complete decoder in tcl and see if it works
08:36:02amiconnRockbox also has a crc32 function
08:36:12Nimdaei hope so
08:36:16amiconnIt calculates in 4-bit slices, so the table isn't big
08:38:04Nimdaei'm sure tremor has its own crc32 algorithm going though
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08:38:55JdGordonhow important are dynamic menus?
08:39:18amiconnThey are required
08:39:46JdGordoni cant figure out why my damn callbacks are killing it
08:40:07JdGordongood news btw.. bin size drops byt 7200bytes on the h300 :)
08:41:11amiconnThen make a patch and let others have a look at it
08:43:39JdGordonhave you had a look at the buttons for plugins patch yeet?
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09:12:02diluted^sup anyone have the bootpartition.bin for ipod 5g 60gb
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09:44:33peturhmmm... somebody at taperssection reports that during recording the battery indicator stops working. Build 20061110 is ok and 20061111 is not
09:45:00hcsmm, I'd noticed something like that
09:45:30peturthere were changes in powermanagement on 20061111
09:45:33hcs(er, but without recording)
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09:45:52*petur tries
09:46:05hcsit seems to be right when powering on, but it doesn't change
09:46:47peturah, so one needs to record longer to see it
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10:02:20peturWhen Barry drops in, can somebody point him to FS #6322 ? I gtg real soon
10:02:51scorcheif i am awake like i usually am, i will
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10:03:11peturthanks ;)
10:03:34*petur hands scorche some extra coffee just in case
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10:04:18JdGordonanyone mind if i pretty up the audio thread debug screen? and multi-screen api it?
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10:05:02*scorche takes the coffee anyway
10:07:17linuxstb_JdGordon: I think that's a good idea - it's one of the few places the old (non multi-screen) scrollbar widget is used. So it would be good to get rid of that. (The other places are in some plugins).
10:07:57JdGordonim also forcing the backlight to stay on in that screen... bloody annoying it turning off when your trying to debug :p
10:09:00scorcheit would be better to be anything in debug menu will be always on...if it is going into CVS that is
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10:09:41rockorockbox is sooooo good.
10:09:52JdGordonscorche: i agree
10:09:56JdGordon1 screen ata time tho
10:10:00JdGordonat a*
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10:13:08linuxstb_Welcome back all...
10:13:19JdGordonsame to you
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10:14:29JdGordonah crap.. i just realised i was editing the HWCODEC screen which doesnt need multi screen api
10:15:17linuxstb_It does if we want to get rid of the old scrollbar widget.
10:19:19JdGordonis it better to use more ram and have 8 32byte buffers and only do snprintf once for each messgae, for 1 buffer but snprintf twice for each?
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10:29:32Nimdaei think next weekend i'm gonna try my hand at hacking rockbox
10:29:48Nimdaei'm starting to understand bits and pieces of it
10:29:58amiconnJdGordon: The audio debug screen clearly doesn't need the multi-screen api. That goes for any debug screen. They should be as simple and compact as possible
10:30:09Nimdaewho knows,m aybe in 6 months i'll be a l33t h4x0r
10:30:33scorcheNimdae: for your sake, i hope you never will be
10:30:48Nimdaewhy for my sake? i'd be more afraid for rockbox :P
10:31:16Nimdaebut who knows, maybe i'll do something truely amazing
10:31:21JdGordonamiconn: i disagree, but whatever.... i was going to do it because i need to play in ther code, the menu recode is driving me mad
10:31:26Nimdaebut then again, i'll likely do something mediocre at best
10:31:40scorcheas long as it isnt "1337", i will be fine with it =)
10:31:41Nimdaeif it evenc ompiles
10:31:59Nimdaei use l33t h4x0r in a very loose sense
10:32:09MmmmI've always wondered... does l33t h4x0r actually mean something?
10:32:21JdGordonit means your a 12 year old :p
10:32:34Nimdaein normal human being terms, it is suppose to be "elite hacker"
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10:32:51Mmmmhow does that work then?
10:32:54Nimdaeusually ends up meaning "i'm a stupid little script kiddie"
10:33:07Mmmml33t = elite?
10:33:17Nimdael33t = leet = elite
10:33:22scorcheshortened version of 31337
10:33:38scorche...not like i would know =P
10:33:38Mmmmahhh... that almost makes sense now :D
10:33:43Nimdaei don't use the 1 or 7, i'm too good for that
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10:34:10Nimdaeif you want to be ub3r l33t,
10:34:24MmmmHonestly...I dont :)
10:34:33Nimdaejust look at it, it's amusing
10:35:50Nimdaei've been tempted to use the aoler translator in support ticket responses at work
10:36:08MmmmNim: it would be good, but it doesn't work leet = let apparently!
10:36:19Nimdaeit's aoler speak
10:36:23Nimdaenot l33t sp34k
10:37:12scorcheugh...enough already
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10:40:53JdGordonlinuxstb_: unless rb->scrollbar points to the multi-screen scrollbar, then only debug_menu.c and recorder/recording.c use the scrollbar(), so if we want to get rid of it those 2 files could be fixed
10:41:40JdGordonnope, rb->scrollbar points to the bad one.. but that could be fixed relativly easily..
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10:52:19linuxstb_amiconn: I agree, we don't need multi-screen support in the debug screens. But the debug screens also shouldn't use the old single-screen widgets such as the scrollbar.
10:52:22*linuxstb_ away
10:54:51JdGordonwell.. ive got a nice way to remove the old scrollbar... is it good enough to use scrollbar() as a wrapper for gui_scrollbar_draw() which only draws to the main screen?
10:56:32*JdGordon wonders why checkbox() is not in the plugin api or removed... only clock.rock uses it
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10:57:22Tyronemaskellhello all
10:57:39Tyronemaskelland iriver users here
10:57:45JdGordona few
10:57:52Tyronemaskellmean any
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11:06:33Tyronemaskellhello any one keen to chat
11:06:47Tyronemaskelli wish rock box could play wma
11:06:50JdGordonno, but if you ask a quesion we might be helpful
11:07:07Tyronemaskellwhat are the formats that rockbox can play
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11:08:26BagderTyronemaskell: check the SoundCodecs wiki page for all details
11:12:18JdGordonamiconn: and you say noone cares about binary size on the recorder... i just dropped 400btes for you :p
11:12:51Tyronemaskellsoundsodecs wiki page ?
11:13:35JdGordonBagder: the script you gave me last week, thats not the one that actually creates the cvs table is it? it just runs the builds?
11:13:54BagderJdGordon: ah yes
11:14:39JdGordoncan I get the one that makes the table? I want to make an rss for the most recent builds so the whole cvs page doesnt need to be updated constanlty when I am impatient
11:14:52JdGordon.. to save your bandwidth
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11:27:01Tyronemaskellhow do i know what the latest version is
11:27:26Tyronemaskelland how do i check the ver im using on my player
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11:31:01markunTyronemaskell: it's updated every day, so if you didn't download it today you don't have the latest version.
11:31:32firenxwow, i had not updated in a while and this new version is so much smoother
11:31:57markunfirenx: which player?
11:32:35firenxipod video 30gb
11:32:51firenxgot the jclix theme installed too, very nice
11:32:54JdGordonBagder: what filenames are the logs given locally? does the script just grab all the files in output/allbuilds/ and sort them by date?
11:33:03Tyronemaskellshit i cant rem how to install again hehhe
11:33:10*JdGordon 's perl is a bit rusty
11:33:17BagderJdGordon: correct, as there are only build logs in there
11:33:27JdGordonok, ta
11:33:36Bagderwith file names according to the dates
11:33:45Bagderwhen they were made
11:33:58JdGordonis the target in the filename?
11:34:10Bagderall builds are in the same file
11:34:26markunTyronemaskell: just unzip the file to your player
11:34:28Bagderthere are keywords before and after the whole "round"
11:34:38Bagderand also before and after each single build
11:34:41JdGordoncan you make one avialable please so i can test locally?
11:36:24BagderI gzipped it, you need to unzip that
11:36:37Bagderthat's the builds from today as you see
11:38:59Tyronemaskellwill it override the old ver or do i need to delete files from the old ver
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11:51:47Tyronemaskelldo i just unzip it into the root
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12:02:30Tyronemaskellanyone home
12:02:50rasherYes, just unzip in the root and overwrite everything
12:03:41Tyronemaskellthanx alot
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12:06:03Tyronemaskellthanx guys
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13:01:04JdGordonok, i officially suck at perl
13:02:11JdGordonno i dont... woohoo :D
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13:28:06JdGordonpetur: didnt you think we would remmeber? :D
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13:30:34barrywardellthanks petur, JdGordon just pointed me to it. I'm having a look now
13:30:46peturah ok
13:30:50barrywardellhave you reproduced the problem?
13:30:59peturno, no time atm :(
13:31:23barrywardelli'm gonna test it on my h10, but don't have a h100 to test it on
13:33:48barrywardellit's likely that the problem only affects targets with BATT_LIPOL1300
13:34:39rasherWhat it needed to test? Note battery level, start recording, wait 1 hour, note battery level. Stop recording, note battery level?
13:36:06rasherWhat is* needed to test
13:37:41peturhmmm... does it have to do with BATT_AVE_SAMPLES ?
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13:40:46JdGordonFUCK!!!! i figured out the problem!
13:43:05*JdGordon is pissed off!
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13:45:32markunJdGordon: what's the matter?
13:46:02JdGordonthe bug in the menu and setting recode.. which i have been looking for for 2 months.. i found it!
13:46:49markunWhy are you so pissed off then?
13:47:20JdGordoncoz it took 2 months to find
13:47:36JdGordonthe bug was the wrong define was used :'(
13:48:31*JdGordon requests everyone to not touch settings.[ch] for a few days
13:48:52*amiconn can't promise anything ;)
13:49:11JdGordonare you planning to?
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13:52:12amiconnNah, not really
13:52:18*Slasheri hopes the new settings parser does not make considerably slower. Or if it does, we could pre-cache the binary settings struct unless version has been changed
13:52:32Slasheri+boot slower
13:52:40JdGordoni have not noticed any speed difference booting
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13:52:52JdGordonshutting down can be a touch slower if it needs to save tho
13:53:11Slasherithat does not matter.. imho, shutdown can take as long as necessary
13:53:21JdGordonthats what i figured
13:53:38barrywardellrasher: i'm not really sure what needs testing. the bug report isn't very clear
13:54:01amiconnSlasheri: The whole point is to get rid of the version
13:54:22amiconnAnd in fact I think it will be faster, because all that bitslicing is no longer necessary
13:55:30JdGordonis bitslicing slower than string proccessing?
13:55:48Slasheriamiconn: yes, but for caching that would be a different thing. but it sounds like it will be fast enough without it
13:57:44Slasheriand that would be nice indeed.. it's then possible to modify configuration even directly from pc
13:59:37rasherbarrywardell: I'll wait for more details from submitter then
14:00:12barrywardellyes, i think so. unless i spot something obvious in the code. i just replied to the report asking for more details
14:01:33bluebrotherwhen there is a new config file make sure it works with files containing a BOM ...
14:01:39*bluebrother points to
14:02:06JdGordonwhats a bOM?
14:02:19rasherbyte-order marker
14:02:33*amiconn thinks "Oh noes! No more cachering!"
14:02:46Wettplease, does anyone know how I can play sound in a plugin if I use the simulator ? I tried to use the pcm_insert_split from the codec structure, but it doesn't seem to be possible.
14:02:52rasherit's a unicode thingy, that's really quite annoying, and it's rather uncertain why editors insert it all the time
14:04:02JdGordonbluebrother: is that patch ready to go?
14:04:37JdGordonprobably good to get that into the source before the move
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14:19:07JdGordonpraise gmail for auto-saving emails :D firefox just crashed mid way through one
14:19:20rasherFirefox autosaves as well!
14:21:22bluebrotherJdGordon, I guess not. I have only roughly tested it (but I think we should use something like that)
14:22:01JdGordonok, it looks safe :p
14:22:43JdGordonguys, the patch is on the dev mailing list, if your bored please give it a bit of a look over..
14:22:54JdGordonand on that note, im going to bed
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15:28:01Dammehello, any news on the video-chip on ipod-video? i've tried for a while a couple of weeks ago but one managed to crash the ipod in 1001 ways >:(
15:31:59bluebrothernone that I know of.
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18:38:53PaulPositionwell f*ck me, been searching days for some sort of "last changes to cvs" page and I only just found out it's right down the entry page. duh.
18:39:34PaulPositionguess I'd need a voice menu for that too, I'm clearly blind. :p
18:42:28bluebrotherI usually use find-as-you-type in firefox when searching websites ... really a great feature
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19:26:31Gnelik1111barrywardellЖ hi!
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19:27:21Gnelikbarrywardell: I edited all files to build normal sansa build
19:27:41barrywardellgreat. do you have a patch available?
19:28:23Gnelikbut :(
19:28:28Gnelik15.59.17 # <Gnelik> What does it meens and what can i do with it???
19:28:28Gnelik15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >/home/Павел/rockbox/e200/apps/rockbox.elf section .stack)
19:28:28Gnelik15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: section .cop_stack [0
19:28:28Gnelik15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >f000000 -> 0f0004ff] overlaps section .stack [0f000148 -> 0f002147]
19:28:28Gnelik15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19:28:28Gnelik16.00.02 # <Gnelik> >/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (
19:28:47barrywardellah, yes
19:29:09Gnelikbarrywardell: i dont know how to fix it
19:29:10barrywardellmaybe firmware/ needs editing
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19:31:08Gnelikbarrywardell: in many places i aaded (CONFIG_CPU==PP5024)
19:31:14Gnelikto #elif (CONFIG_CPU==PP5002) || (CONFIG_CPU==PP5020) ||
19:31:21Gnelikit may cause errors
19:31:39barrywardellit's a reasonable guess to make to add that
19:32:07GnelikNew error /opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.glue_7'
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19:33:47barrywardelli'm really not very familiar with lds files
19:33:52Gnelikbarrywardell: Sory it is in codecs
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19:34:05GnelikBuild firmware file
19:34:06GnelikCouldn't find mi4code
19:34:07LearHm, probably should've checked that WPS ReplayGain patch... ;)
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19:34:48barrywardellyou shouldn't need mi4code
19:34:51siveranybody knows about doom for ipod nano?
19:35:07GnelikIts DONE !!!!
19:35:13barrywardelltools/scramble should do everything important that mi4code does
19:35:34barrywardelldone? did you fix all build errors?
19:35:48Gnelik$ make bin
19:35:49Gnelikmake[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date.
19:35:49Gnelikmake[1]: `convbdf' is up to date.
19:35:49DBUGEnqueued KICK Gnelik
19:35:49Gnelikmake[1]: `bmp2rb' is up to date.
19:35:49Gnelikmake[1]: `codepages' is up to date.
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19:35:49Gnelikmake[1]: `scramble' is up to date.
19:35:51Gnelikmake[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:35:53GnelikMAKE in bitmaps/mono
19:35:55Gnelikmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:35:57GnelikMAKE in bitmaps/native
19:35:59Gnelikmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
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19:36:16GnelikI cant see mi4 file
19:36:23Gnelikonly rockbox.bin
19:36:46barrywardellexcellent. can you send me a patch?
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19:37:09GnelikHow can i do it
19:38:15barrywardelldo "cvs diff -uN > e200.patch"
19:38:49barrywardellit shouldn't make a mi4 file. only a bootloader build does that
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19:39:42barrywardellwhen you have the e200.patch file, it could be a good idea to post it to the patch tracker
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19:46:20Gnelikbarrywardell: I have published it
19:47:00GnelikBut there are some things
19:47:29GnelikThat i edited myself
19:47:56GnelikAnd old dan_a's Sansa e200 ata file
19:48:02barrywardelli'll have a look
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19:52:29LinusNbarrywardell: do you intend to look at the issue with the non-updating battery level?
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19:53:16LinusNgoode, i won't bother then
19:53:31barrywardellfeel free if you like. i don't have a h100 to test on
19:54:10barrywardelland i will be away for the next three days so unless i figure it out tonight i won't be able to do it till after that
19:54:41barrywardellLinusN: have you been able to reproduce the problem?
19:54:42rasherSomeone just said he had the problem on his nano
19:54:59LinusNbarrywardell: i haven't tried to reproduce it yet
19:55:22barrywardelli have a feeling it could be people with LIPOL1300 batterys
19:55:34Gnelikbarrywardell: Did you try to build it, does it build?
19:56:34barrywardellnot yet
19:56:46rasherI'll try reproducing
19:57:06LinusNbarrywardell: after a quick glance, it seems like battery_centivolts isn't always updated
19:57:22LinusNonly in usb mode and when battery_percent < 8
19:57:55barrywardellhmm. ok, that would do it
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19:58:29barrywardelli see it there now
19:58:47rockothere we go
19:58:57rockotook me like 45 minutes for my shit to sync
19:58:57LinusNman, that power code surely is complicated
19:59:10LinusNhorrible in fact
20:00:32preglowso they say
20:00:45barrywardelli'm very tempted to start with an empty file and rewrite from scratch
20:01:08LinusNwell, better stay clear of the archos charging code
20:02:08barrywardellthings could definitely be tidied up anyway
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20:07:55jhMikeSLinusN: is there any good reason you can think of that my x5 should shut off at around 3.65V during a battery bench. others have said the last spinup might have failed but V seems a bit high for that. thoughts?
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20:11:07LinusNjhMikeS: i point at barrywardell
20:11:51LinusNhe recently added code to shut down on low battery, and the levels might have to be adjusted on the x5
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20:12:10LinusNjhMikeS: will you look at the fm radio issue?
20:12:12jhMikeSIt was supposed to be at 3.50V though
20:12:17jhMikeSLinusN: What's that?
20:12:31LinusNa lot of people have problems playing fm radio
20:12:33jhMikeSI set the V to zero to stop it.
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20:12:53jhMikeSOf recent or is this an older problem?
20:13:26jhMikeSIs there a report somewhere on the details in FS?
20:14:20preglowjust popped in another one on ml
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20:15:38LinusNjhMikeS: i take it you haven't subscribed to the flyspray mailing list?
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20:16:01*petur found out today that radio on his h340 no longer works
20:16:37jhMikeSMy radio works but my build on the player is a bit older
20:16:42jhMikeSTrying it now
20:16:52jhMikeSSuppose I should double check my subscriptions
20:18:20jhMikeSI built mine on the 12th
20:18:26habanaGnelik: did you manage to compile rockbox on the sansa ?
20:19:09habanaLinusN: lol
20:19:13*amiconn spots a rare evening guest :)
20:20:20habanabefore rockbox, i was found of 1 linus. since RB there are 2 linus in my free computer life :)
20:22:37LinusNamiconn: been awfully busy lately
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20:25:41*jhMikeS is making a build that contains changes only up to his last changes
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20:29:47habanaGnelik: did you manage to compile rockbox on the sansa ? (bis)
20:30:13habananot too much errors ?
20:31:03GnelikI fixed them all
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20:32:25habanawhat could i do to help the port ? radio still starts
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20:33:08amiconnhabana: _on_ the sansa? That might be a little diffcult
20:33:13amiconnNo gcc.rock yet ;)
20:33:18jhMikeSnow a cvs up on that source
20:34:44habanajhMikeS: youre lucky! in france, sandisk removed radio tuner for tax stories
20:36:37peturjhMikeS: here it all looks OK but there's no sound
20:37:52jhMikeSpetur: I had a checkout with my last changes but not with anything after that and it worked, sound and all. Did a cvs up and am gonna try again with that.
20:39:03peturI have a CVS build of this morning, am upping now...
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20:39:52jhMikeSoh wait, this is H100 related only? rrrr...just work up and am otp too :P
20:40:13jhMikeSiRiver rather
20:40:33bluebrotherI guess this is related to the recording changes?
20:41:15jhMikeSI don't think so, probably something else. Never would have added the recording if radio were affected badly.
20:41:39bluebrotherhmm. My idea was that initialization of the mixer changed slightly
20:41:56bluebrother... but this is only an idea.
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20:43:02jhMikeSbluebrother: It did but the radio was still working
20:43:26bluebrotherworking meaning from the recording screen? It only breaks when you enter the radio through the main menu
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20:43:53bluebrotherwhich led me to the assumption there was some initialization changes that only made it to the recording screen.
20:44:01jhMikeSTrust me, I checked every input and had to check recording via the radio
20:44:27bluebrotherI do. Just thought I mention my idea (in the hope it might be helpful ;-)
20:44:31jhMikeSWould've noticed that. It's more recent than the BRP
20:46:41jhMikeSMight have to do with my fix for the optical out but can't be sure yet. It's probably a big DOH kind of thing :)
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20:52:57jhMikeSyup, sure is messed up
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20:54:26jhMikeSeven have sound when going to the rec screen in fm and the sound turns off when going out of recording...hmmm
20:55:50habanaGreyFoux:tu as quoi comme lecteur ?
20:56:16jhMikeSmight've messed up the the volume
20:56:16rasherPlease don't speak French here
20:56:34rasherPlease don't speak anything but English here
20:57:16jhMikeSque? yo no hablo ingles.
20:58:03lostlogicsi, prefiero el espa~nol
20:58:13jhMikeSsi, y to tambien
20:58:21rasherDet var dog irriterende.
20:58:34lostlogic*cough* so about that English.
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21:18:13jhMikeShmmm...time for some real hard thinking about this...:O
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21:35:01barrywardellLinusN: i think this may fix the battery readings:
21:35:16peturh3x0 charging is hardware protected, right? I had it charging for over an hour with no change of level. Power off and on and the battery was full...
21:36:50LinusNbarrywardell: you sure?
21:37:03barrywardellnope, i'm just going to test on my h10 now
21:37:25barrywardellbut that was removed in my commit and it looks like it could be the cause
21:38:10*barrywardell is regretting ever committing that patch :(
21:38:14jhMikeSbarrywardell: hmmm...saying the battery filter could be wrong and giving me the incorrect voltage?
21:38:28LinusNbarrywardell: i think i see an old bug
21:38:43LinusN if (!ata_disk_is_active() || usb_inserted()) {
21:38:52barrywardelljhMikeS: are you talking about battery_bench?
21:38:58jhMikeSbarrywardell: yes
21:39:25jhMikeSit uses the filtered battery level
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21:39:26barrywardellthat has always cut off before the end. it did a while back when I was doing the H10 benchmarks anyway
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21:39:51jhMikeSsomeone gave me an x5l bench that went clear down to 3.3V where the pcf should turn it off
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21:40:30LinusNbarrywardell: nah, that was not a bug
21:40:41barrywardellit's kinda random. disk writes don't happen when the battery level gets below battery_level_dangerous
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21:40:59barrywardellso it can't save the battery_bench data
21:41:19barrywardelland the battery_bench data only gets saved on disk spinup iirc
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21:41:41barrywardellLinusN: I'm about to try my patch. I'll see how it goes
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21:43:29PaulPositionjhMikes - I dunno if this makes any sense, feel free to call me a fool, but couldn't you bench while rolling a full playlist? Then the disk would be forced to spin more often and, even though it will bleed energy more quickly, at least you may have two or three more readings near battery-life's end.. ??
21:44:13amiconnEverything is a playlist in rockbox
21:44:43PaulPositionI guess I said something stupid.. I mean playing more than what could be buffered... Isn't it how most hd based dap works?
21:44:45amiconn...and rockbox always uses the complete buffer for buffering audio
21:45:30amiconnUsing a playlist which amounts to more than the ram size is a requirement for a battery benchmark
21:45:31jhMikeSthere were many more than a few readings past that point and the bench was done before the patch commit
21:46:36amiconnOtherwise the disk would never spin up. A playlist smaller than the ram buffer size is an unlikely scenario
21:47:56jhMikeSshowed a nice acceleration downward when the batt was low for about an hour
21:47:58amiconnOn the X5 the buffer can hold ~10 minutes of half-decent quality mp3 (192 kbps)
21:48:29peturjhMikeS: without looking at the code: any reason why recording to mp3 would limit channels selection to stereo? mp3 encoder doesn't do mono maybe?
21:49:16jhMikeSpetur: it does mono but not above 160k since 320k stereo is just two 160k mono streams anyway
21:49:30peturah, ok
21:49:43amiconnNo joint stereo?
21:50:48jhMikeSif the encoder is ever changed to support it I'll add a stereo mode option to the menu
21:51:17peturso recording mono actually doubles the quality?
21:51:38*petur thinks this is not very logical
21:52:55peturif we limit the user to 160k in mono, he'll switch to stereo because he gets the feeling he can have higher quality by using 320k
21:53:07jhMikeSfor any given bitrate mono allocates all the bits to a single stream instead of dividing the bits between the two channels
21:53:28jhMikeSfor regular stereo mode anyway
21:54:48jhMikeSJust a matter of uncapping it. Actually, I limit some low bitrates to mono only because they're practically unintelligible for stereo for the reasons above
21:56:13Nimdaewow, i might have run into a recently admitted bug in rockbox...i'll have to updated it to latest cvs to confirm, but i can't get it to shut off
21:56:40Nimdaeit's not a shut off problem
21:56:43Nimdaeit locked up, lol
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21:59:30peturjhMikeS: this is different from what all encode tools on PC (that I know/use) do: They'll happily accept 320kbps mono so probably always halve the bitrate for mono.
22:00:19Learamiconn: So the X5 only has 16 MB RAM?
22:00:29jhMikeSpetur: I've heard that a lot limit the mono rate but can change like one line in the menu for that.
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22:00:46amiconnSame as h110/h115 (aka iHP100/iHP110)
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22:01:18jhMikeSthis radio bug is so odd cause not long ago I was whizzing around the menus listening to voice mixed with fm :-\
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22:05:34jhMikeSpetur: Can't really people ever use mono for quality? If they want quality they shouldn't use that encoder at all but use WAV or WavPack instead.
22:05:48barrywardellLinusN: i think my patch does fix the battery update problem. The battery level on my H10 definitely changed with it applied and I'm now running Rockbox without it applied and am yet to see it change. i'm not totally sure if the second half of it is necessary though - my battery is a long way off 8%.
22:06:07LinusNbarrywardell: commit it then
22:08:16peturbarrywardell: I just tried here and my h340 crashed :(
22:08:44barrywardellwith the patch?
22:08:50barrywardellwhat is your battery level?
22:09:00peturabove 4
22:09:31peturnear full
22:09:33barrywardellah, ok. hmmm
22:09:43peturjust restarted it...
22:10:08barrywardellwhat sort of crash?
22:10:10Learjhmikes: regarding the radio problem: could the removal of "uda1380_set_monitor(true);" in rec_set_source (recording.c) have anything to do with it?
22:10:24peturmay be unrelated tho, just before that I went from a huge playlist to a very small one
22:11:40jhMikeSLear: did I do that? :O :P wtf probably
22:12:00barrywardellLinusN, petur: should I not commit it until further testing then? I can confirm now that it definitely fixes the problem on my H10.
22:12:14peturit's probably ok
22:12:24LearSeveral *_set_monitor calls removed there...
22:12:53jhMikeSLear: LOL...I though I was removing spdif_set_monitor calls! hrmph...thanks, nice catch!
22:13:00LinusNbarrywardell: go ahead
22:13:52jhMikeSlike I said: DOH!
22:13:56Learjhmikes: Had a working build from the 11:th, so I just looked at what happened after that...
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22:14:37LinusNjhMikeS: 20.46.41 # <jhMikeS> Might have to do with my fix for the optical out but can't be sure yet. It's probably a big DOH kind of thing :)
22:15:45LearHm. Radio screen logic is a bit odd... From browser, enter menu, go to radio. From radio, enter menu, press left. Presto, back in browser.
22:17:26amiconnLear: You don't enter the main menu from Radio, you leave the Radio screen into the menu
22:18:09amiconnYou can do that in 2 ways, either with the radio switching of or with the radio still playing
22:18:15jhMikeSworking now :)
22:19:48jhMikeSThe muting in the pcm buffer has to go, it makes the radio playback breakup with voice
22:21:54jhMikeSThings aren't constantly reset now since the state is tracked so clicking might not be so problematic any more
22:22:29*amiconn wants to get rid of clicking on archos as well :/
22:22:45amiconnNeed proper mas state handling (state machine?) for this
22:23:46jhMikeSamiconn: btw I worked out the code for dither matrixes if you actually want to _generate_ them...could pastebin it. Needed to remind myself.
22:24:25amiconnI don't want to generate live. Too much code imho (and I want magic squares which can't be easily scaled)
22:24:48amiconnI found a nice site that can generate double-even most-perfect magic squares :)
22:25:05jhMikeSwhy majic squares? you like that pattern better? A 4x4 majic square can be scaled, I've got that too
22:25:35Learjhmikes: ah, so that's the logic.
22:26:18amiconnBesides, we don't need many dithering matrices
22:26:31amiconnI'm still unsure whether we want optional dithering for mono
22:26:32LearHe, the manual is clear on it. :)
22:26:45amiconnThe matrix itself is 256 bytes...
22:27:20preglowdithering for _mono_ ?
22:27:23jhMikeSLear: say again? :) the logic of what?
22:27:46amiconn_to_ mono (for mono targets and for mono format)
22:27:58Learthe logic of leaving the radio and "entering" the menu.
22:29:18amiconnIt's been like that for ages... and it's only logical that you end up in the main menu when you leave the radio screen, since the main menu is what you entered the radio screen from
22:29:37jhMikeSReally wanted to get recording available to the radio screen asap and doing recording from the radio screen atm would forfeit functionality
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22:31:24jhMikeSok, radio bug fixed
22:31:33Learamiconn: I don't listen to radio much, and I was thinking "A-B enters menu" (and not "leaving radio screen"), which made me confused. :)
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22:32:02barrywardellhmm. i committed that fix. no sign of it in the build table though???
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22:32:53barrywardelloops, no i didn't. my mistake
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22:33:58jhMikeSI should mention too that my battery level showed 100% the entire time I did the last battery bench ;)
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22:34:17barrywardellnope, i had reversed the patch to test if it really worked and forgot to reapply before committing
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22:35:10barrywardellit took me a good 10 minutes to figure that out too :)
22:36:46preglowamiconn: won't that look damned ugly?
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22:39:03whickywhackwhen trying to install on my ipod from my mac I got this:
22:39:04whickywhackdiskdump v0.1 - (C) Dave Chapman 2005
22:39:04whickywhackThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
22:39:04DBUGEnqueued KICK whickywhack
22:39:04whickywhackwarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
22:39:04whickywhack[INFO] Reading partition table...
22:39:06whickywhackBad boot sector signature
22:39:08whickywhackPart Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB)
22:39:10whickywhack 0 0x90 -1073744064 2147479335 1572862
22:39:12whickywhack 1 0xbf 9412 -1073734653 1572862
22:39:14whickywhack 2 0xfe -1881115580 -1881100621 7
22:39:16whickywhack 3 0x00 -2139062144 -2139062145 0
22:39:18whickywhack[INFO] Seeking to sector -1073744064
22:39:20whickywhack[WARN] Seek error - reading -1073744064 sectors instead
22:39:30whickywhackany ideas?
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22:41:36spugwhickywhack: what kind of ipod is it?
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22:46:15JdGordonLinusN: you happy with the plugin actions patch? i think ill commit it today and try to do some more
22:47:14LinusNlooks fine to me
22:48:01whickywhackoh sorry to keep you waiting spug
22:48:07whickywhackits a color iPod
22:48:10whickywhack60 Gig
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22:54:54Nimdaeok, there is definately a problem with the rockbox on my ipod, and it's not a complete lockup problem...more of a not responding problem
22:55:25Nimdaei dunno if i'll get a chance to update it for a while though, i'm at work
22:56:45Nimdaeit appeared to happen when toggling play/pause through the car mode (turn off car, it pauses, etc)
22:57:01Nimdaeonly recent changes in configuration is enabling dircache
22:57:19Nimdaeboth times it happened with a long name somewhere in the path
22:57:31Nimdaetried to force it to happen again and couldn't
22:59:08obowhickywhack: formated with HFS (macpod)?
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23:13:43PorcupineTreei have an iRiver H140 and installed rockbox few days ago.. i have one question..
23:13:47PorcupineTreeanyone willing to help?
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23:14:24LinusNof course, but you haven't asked a question yet
23:14:29SoulDeaDif it?s not specific to iriver i guess i could
23:14:47PorcupineTreei cant srobble files to
23:15:23PorcupineTreeneither with logscrobbler nor with
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23:15:49PorcupineTreeit says "Some tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
23:15:50PorcupineTreeSubmissions from before the date you registered are not allowed.
23:15:57PorcupineTreewhat should I do?
23:16:30PaulPositionAh.. When did you register to the site?
23:16:33SoulDeaDnot familiar with that
23:16:43PorcupineTreeRegistered: 2 Nov 2006
23:16:57PorcupineTreeand insalled rockbox 3 days ago..
23:17:09LinusNcan i see the first lines of your scrobbler file?
23:17:39PorcupineTree#CLIENT/Rockbox h120 $Revision: 1.2 $ Timeless
23:17:58LinusNlooks correct to me
23:18:15PaulPositiondoes h120 have realtime clock?
23:18:25PorcupineTreeno it doesnt
23:18:29PorcupineTreei looked for the clock..
23:18:37peturhow do you upload to
23:18:47PaulPositionAh.. Have you tried, in logscrobbler, the functions for setting time?
23:19:23CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:19:23*petur learns to look at the discussion before asking questions
23:19:25PorcupineTreefunctions for setting time?
23:19:27oboPorcupineTree: you'll need to upload using the Perl script, or Logscrobbler
23:19:33spugthere's a perl script too, that generates timestamps for timestampless logs
23:19:41obothose are the only two methods that work for devices that don't have an RTC
23:19:50PaulPositionYeah, something like "shift after last played" or some such menu...
23:19:57PorcupineTreeRTC = real time clock?
23:20:04PorcupineTree#CLIENT/Rockbox h120 $Revision: 1.2 $ Timeless
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23:20:21PorcupineTree[23:19] <PorcupineTree> functions for setting time in logscrobbler?
23:20:34PaulPositionWhat it does is guestimate when you played songs from their lenght AND a arbitrary date/time you set...
23:21:15PorcupineTreehmm..and where is that function?
23:21:21PorcupineTreelogscrobbler is pretty simple
23:21:35PorcupineTreeis it "shift after last played" ?
23:21:47PaulPosition<PaulPosition> Yeah, something like "shift after last played" or some such menu...
23:22:08PorcupineTreei tried pressing that button few times and it blocks logscrobbler
23:22:16PaulPositionBut since I haven't had to use that, I don't know much about how it works..
23:22:24PorcupineTreewhere do I get that third method?
23:22:28PorcupineTreepearl script?
23:22:46PaulPositionHave you looked at the thread over at misticriver, about logscrobbler?
23:23:08PorcupineTreewhen i downloaded logscrobbler...
23:23:17PorcupineTreebut never got any deeper into it..
23:23:27PorcupineTreetrying to skip forums..
23:23:34PorcupineTreeprefer live discussion..
23:23:45Soapthe perl script accepts a command line argument to fake times for players w/o a real time clock.
23:24:10Soapthe readme in logscrobbler lays this out clearly.
23:24:12PorcupineTreewhere do I get that perl script?
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23:24:23Soapwhat are you calling logscrobbler?
23:24:41SoapIs that not the name of the perl script to submit the lastfm log as created by rockbox?
23:24:42PaulPositionYeah ,irc is great when someone already knows the answer, but you won't find many people willing to go and read in your place...
23:24:44PorcupineTreelogscrobbler ...
23:24:55Soapthe pearl script.
23:24:59Soapa readme came with it.
23:25:01PorcupineTreeminor tool for uploading to
23:25:12Soapwe are talking about the same thing.
23:25:21Soapyou should read the instructions which came with it.
23:25:38LinusNno, i don't think you are talking about the same thing
23:26:02PaulPositionSoap −−
23:26:13LinusNthere is a winxp tool called logscrobbler
23:26:17Soapahh, logscrobbler is the .NET windows client.
23:26:29Soapeither it will fake times or it won't.
23:26:46SoapAll its commands are checkboxes on the manin (only) screen.
23:26:56PorcupineTreeill try to use that only option that is unknown "shift after last played"
23:27:03Soapcheck the "adjust playback time" box.
23:27:03PorcupineTreeill try it right now..
23:27:07PaulPositionOkay dude..
23:27:35PorcupineTree[23:26] <Soap> check the "adjust playback time" box. - i dont see that kind of box..
23:27:36SoapSorry I got them confused, I use both.
23:28:07PorcupineTreewhat is the other thingy ?
23:28:10SoapI don't have the client on this machine, do you have your username, password entered and a .log file loaded?
23:28:12PorcupineTreeif this fails..
23:28:30PorcupineTree[23:28] <Soap> I don't have the client on this machine, do you have your username, password entered and a .log file loaded? - I do...
23:29:00Soapand at the bottom there isn't a "adjust playback time since last sumbission" or "fake playback time" box?
23:29:17JdGordonhas anyone checked out the patch i put on the dev ml for the settings recode?
23:29:27PaulPositionporcupinetree - Might try the newest version too, 0.14 instead of 0.12
23:30:03PorcupineTree[23:28] <Soap> and at the bottom there isn't a "adjust playback time since last sumbission" or "fake playback time" box? - no ... at the bottom is "shift after last played"
23:30:17Soapthat's the one.
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23:31:22oboI think support for non-RTC players was only added in 0.14 ....
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23:33:22PorcupineTreeit seems it doesnt work ..
23:33:35PorcupineTreeit doesnt shift anything :)
23:33:39PaulPositionporcupine - What kind of error does it give you?
23:33:58PaulPositionIf you log on (web) to, does it tell you something?
23:34:03PorcupineTreeSome tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
23:34:03PorcupineTreeSubmissions from before the date you registered are not allowed.
23:34:16PorcupineTreeit tells that
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23:34:39oboyeah, I'd guess 1st Jan 1970 might be before you signed up ;)
23:34:49PaulPositionI'd try 0.14...
23:34:57PaulPositionbut that's me.
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23:35:40PorcupineTreeok ill try it
23:35:43PaulPositionowww wait.
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23:36:07PaulPositiontry something... Did, or could, you open the select box and check all songs before timeshifting them?
23:36:10OPPi saw a tool on your site before that will convert itunes db to tagcache
23:36:13OPPwhere can i find that again
23:36:17PaulPositionMaybe that's the trick...? can't say for sure.
23:36:27oboPaulPosition: nope, needs 0.14
23:36:42OPPnvm i found it!!
23:36:44PaulPositionAh ok... Thee shall trust Obo.
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23:37:35PaulPositionI was going by "x fixed bug - if items are unchecked do not include them in the time shift."
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23:40:17PorcupineTree0.14 works
23:40:21PorcupineTreethanks guys
23:40:24PaulPositioncool :)
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23:41:16PorcupineTreefix zero time stamps is working
23:41:27PaulPositionPorcupinetree - don't forget to upload 'em often...
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23:41:51PaulPositionIf you play itunes or winamp before you upload, lastfm won't take your log.. :o
23:42:53Psyke`hi there
23:42:57Psyke`ive got a little problem. :x
23:43:54Psyke`just tried to install rockbox. messed something up, and now i get this error: -1 message. that wouldnt be that much a problem, if i could reconnect my ipod to my comp. and when it tries to load the original firmware, it screws it up too. just restarts over and over again
23:44:31obohold select and play as it reboots - that will put it into emergency disk mode
23:44:49oboerror -1 means it can't find the rockbox.ipod file - have you unzipped a build to your ipod?
23:45:11Psyke`no, i just realised when i unplugged it.. :\
23:45:24PorcupineTree[23:41] <PaulPosition> If you play itunes or winamp before you upload, lastfm won't take your log.. :o - there is a checkbox "ignore time stamps" , so it will upload them as if you played it last! :D
23:45:25Psyke`and select and play doesnt work. only menu and select, but thats just a restart
23:45:49obotry select+play again -t it does work, but needs to be done as it reboots
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23:48:24PaulPositionPorcupine - Yeah, I think it's a 'permanent' setting too, so you don't have to press extra buttons every time.. No, what I meant, and that's true whatever way you use to upload logs, is that if you listened to you ipod for three days, then listened (and thus scrobbled 'live') to media player, it won't be able to fit your three days of log when you get to submit it. Or at least I think that's how iscrobbler/ always
23:48:55SoapPorcupineTree: have you ever submitted tracks to Last.FM before?
23:49:20PorcupineTreefrom my computer sure..
23:49:37Soapand you checked the box to timeshift?
23:49:56Soapand still threw up the anti-spam warning?
23:50:09PaulPositionNo it didn't...
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23:50:19PorcupineTreeno it didn't ..
23:50:28PorcupineTreewhat timeshift there?
23:50:29Soapdid the windows app say anything?
23:50:30PaulPositionI was warning about trying to not trigger the spam warning now that he's gonna scrobble a lot.
23:50:43PorcupineTreei said from my regular plug-in
23:50:50PorcupineTreethere's no problems there..
23:51:02SoapI often submit hundreds of tracks at a time w/o problems.
23:51:39Soaphow recently have you played tracks on the Last.FM player>
23:52:20PorcupineTreenot recently..
23:52:23SoapFor to successfully time-shift you need a window of time since last submitted track for the Windows/Rockbox program to use to fake playback times.
23:52:40Soapyour page is showing tracks played minutes ago.
23:52:41PorcupineTreeyeah ..understood that..
23:52:47PorcupineTreei know ..
23:52:56PorcupineTreei checked "ingore time stamps"
23:53:03PaulPositionSoap - If I come home and start listening to music before I plug in my H10 and upload my log, I usually not get my log accepted.. Even though they're timestamped and don't collide with other songs, will just reject 'em.
23:53:25PorcupineTreeand does it really matter?
23:53:34PaulPositionwell, nope.
23:53:42PorcupineTreethe point is that you get your tracks scrobbled if you like..
23:53:56PorcupineTreeexact time is not that important..
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23:55:08PorcupineTreeok ..gotta study gotta study
23:55:10PorcupineTreesee you guys
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23:58:00SoapPaulPosition: collisions isn't the problem there
23:58:01amiconnunions are quite involved :/
23:58:21Soapyou can't submit a track with a timestamp earlier than an already submitted track.
23:58:42*amiconn fiddles with a union of a struct and an uint32_t, and a pointer to such union
23:58:44Soapthat's why they are rejected.

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