#rockbox 2006-11-15

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#rockbox log for 2006-11-15

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00:19:00	JdGordon	yay, just dropped 600 bytes or something by using the actual & or global_settings items instead of their offsets..
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00:29:29	preglow	go gcc
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00:42:10	spug	i'm using linux, and i just connected my iriver to the computer. how can i found it and mount it?
00:42:18	rasher	run demsg
00:42:20	rasher	dmesg
00:42:40	rasher	See which devicename it was given
00:42:58	rasher	then run something like mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /where/you/want/it/mounted
00:44:14	spug	dmesg doesn't seem to change when I connect or disconnect it
00:44:23	rasher	That's... peculiar
00:44:35	rasher	Does the iriver show the usb connected logo?
00:45:20	spug	hmm, no, just "charging"
00:46:12	rasher	Ah, h300 .. I'm not quite sure what the trick is
00:46:27	rasher	(I have a h120 which doesn't support charging from usb)
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00:46:37	rasher	You have to hold down some button when plugging the usb or something like that
00:46:47	spug	hmm
00:47:04	spug	the manual doesn't mention anything like that for windows at least
00:47:39	Wett	hi there
00:47:49	spug	hi
00:48:32	rasher	I'm pretty sure that's what's happening.. someone with a h300 should be able to help you
00:48:43	spug	okay, thanks
00:49:21	Wett	this is certainly a bad question, but i'd like to use the pcmbuf_insert_split codec function from a plugin... I managed to get it compile, but it just crashes the simulator ^^
00:49:37	Wett	any idea ?
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01:06:59	preglow	lsd didn't come out of berkeley...
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01:08:57	John2583	my friend just updated his ipods firmware
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01:09:10	jhMikeS	it makes you think it did then?
01:10:02	John2583	and now he can't get to rockbox.. so he re did the bootloader step in install instructions. it booted rockbox, but then after booting original firmware once rockbox no longer comes up on boot.. think this is apple trying to keep rockbox from running?
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01:26:58	Soap	John2583: origial firmware has 2 shutdown modes.
01:27:15	John2583	hold play/pause?
01:27:23	Soap	First it sleeps, and restores instantly into Apple Firmware.
01:27:24	John2583	what do you mean
01:27:38	Soap	Second it actually shuts off, and accesses the disk again to boot.
01:27:44	John2583	ah!
01:27:54	Soap	So, when Apple Firmware is asleep it won't reload the bootloader, thus no rockbox.
01:28:11	Soap	To force a reboot I believe it is Menu+Select(center0
01:28:18	Soap	hold for 5-10 seconds.
01:28:59	John2583	thank you very much Soap
01:29:03	John2583	that fixed it for him
01:29:27	Soap	good.
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01:58:24	XavierGr	any german speaking person here?
01:58:43	pixelma	yes :)
01:59:04	XavierGr	ah hi pixelma!
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02:03:42	*	Paul_the_Nerd has made the "Unsupported Builds" forum alphabetical since it's an informational forum rather than a discussion forum.
02:04:11	JdGordon	now what have you been told about using your initiative Paul_the_Nerd!
02:05:23	scorche	hrm...i wonder if it would be useful to separate by architecture into sub-forums as well
02:05:38	JdGordon	with the new config file saveing stuff... I think it would be a good idea to have an option to only save settings which are used in themes, anyone agree?
02:05:41	Paul_the_Nerd	scorche: We have exactly one page of them right now
02:06:05	*	scorche thought he just barely saw 2
02:06:12	Paul_the_Nerd	I cleared off off-topic threads
02:06:15	Paul_the_Nerd	It's exactly 1 as of right now
02:06:19	scorche	alright
02:06:23	scorche	but it will grow of course
02:06:32	Paul_the_Nerd	Yes
02:06:49	JdGordon	how about having a sticky there with a list of each custom build?
02:06:54	JdGordon	then sort it by date again
02:07:03	Paul_the_Nerd	Why does date matter?
02:07:06	scorche	and at the very least, we need to institute 5g vs video although i am sure you are planning on that
02:07:40	Paul_the_Nerd	Yes, it will be 5G-32 and 5G-64, to be shortened to 5G once we have automatic RAM.
02:07:42	scorche	as in a structured way of making titles
02:07:44	JdGordon	because, it should be assumed that newwer threads have a newer version, so abandoned verisons can die
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02:08:05	Paul_the_Nerd	JdGordon: Abandoned threads will be deleted in time (and SHOULD be deleted by the author)
02:08:17	JdGordon	oh, ok
02:08:27	scorche	if all else, we can change the subject
02:08:32	Paul_the_Nerd	JdGordon: As for newer versions, any post that has been "Edited" or has a new post will have the (NEW) tag next to it.
02:08:32	scorche	or delet
02:08:42	scorche	well, i cant ;)
02:08:45	Paul_the_Nerd	So, mostly the forum becomes self-organizing.
02:09:08	PowerMac	In the latest nano daily build, are the codecs in the release? I'm getting nothing but "Codec Failure" messages.
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02:09:43	scorche	Paul_the_Nerd: so what is the plan once we get past 1 page?
02:10:34	Paul_the_Nerd	scorche: I think people can go to the second page.
02:10:36	scorche	can we increase the number of threads viewed on an individual forum basis?
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02:11:50	scorche	PowerMac: i have not tested, but the codecs are present
02:12:46	scorche	have you cleared your settings and did you do a complete update? (copy over the .rockbox folder as well as the rockbox.ipod file)
02:12:58	Paul_the_Nerd	scorche: I want the Unsupported Builds forum, and the New Ports forum to be easier for a new person to find a useful thread in, I think alphabetizing does that much more than sorting by newness, I mean the frequency scaling build doesn't update often, but it's widely used.
02:13:55	scorche	i find it as well..i think it is a good idea...i just am not too fond of the idea that it will go past 1 page...it isnt a big deal, but items on the second page can be shunned by newcomers
02:14:19	scorche	s/find/like
02:14:28	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah
02:14:30	Paul_the_Nerd	That is a small problem
02:15:02	Paul_the_Nerd	I may sticky a READ ME FIRST for the two alphabetical forums explaining that the layout is different, so maybe people will have a better chance of finding what they need.
02:15:36	Paul_the_Nerd	A reader's guideline to complement the posting guidelines.
02:15:53	scorche	which can be fixed temporarily by increasing the number of threads viewed, or less temporarily by sorting by arch
02:16:21	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah, but what happens when an arch surpasses one page?
02:16:47	scorche	i dont know...as i said..less temporarily
02:16:50	Paul_the_Nerd	Hehehe
02:16:55	Paul_the_Nerd	I think I'm happy with this for now.
02:16:59	Paul_the_Nerd	But I will think on it.
02:17:09	Paul_the_Nerd	It's never too late to change it again.
02:17:13	scorche	unfortunately, not as many people as we would like read the guidelines...they are nice to point to when people do wrong, but i would like to not have to point at all
02:17:48	scorche	i am as well...i just feel bad for the first person to get onto the second page ;)
02:17:49	Paul_the_Nerd	But what happens if a build ever crosses architectures?
02:18:10	Paul_the_Nerd	Like an H300 / iPod 5G / X5 / H10 20GB build?
02:18:16	scorche	i was thinking of a multiple arch sub-forum as well
02:18:31	Paul_the_Nerd	Heh
02:18:34	JdGordon	no, then its getting too complicated
02:18:52	scorche	and of course, the H10 would go with ipods and would say so in the forum description
02:19:05	Paul_the_Nerd	The way I see it, it's not a list of threads.
02:19:12	Paul_the_Nerd	It's a list of VERY limited subforums, one per build.
02:19:19	Paul_the_Nerd	Our Forums don't move around, so why should the subforums?
02:19:31	scorche	JdGordon: slightly, but what better way is there?...we could just leave it this way as well
02:20:19	scorche	hrm...i see it as a list of threads =/
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02:22:50	*	Paul_the_Nerd shrugs.
02:23:11	Paul_the_Nerd	I dunno...
02:23:18	*	scorche shrugs along with Paul_the_Nerd
02:23:36	*	Strogg wonders why people are shrugging.. shrug
02:24:11	*	JdGordon starts the painful task of moving the new menu code in.. oh. and shrugs
02:24:24	*	scorche wonders why someone has to enclose an action with asterisks in an emote
02:24:46	Strogg	scorche: it's a special syntax for nested emotes. :)
02:25:01	JdGordon	nestes emotes??
02:25:05	JdGordon	nested*
02:25:13	JdGordon	like shru-burb-g ?
02:25:36	Strogg	that looks like something out of Call of Cthulu
02:25:48	Strogg	or the next wireless standard.
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02:29:20	Soap	It would be nice if the rockbox forums contained (more/any) iriver custom builds.
02:29:59	scorche	that isnt up to us
02:30:08	Soap	They appear to be mostly on MysticRiver. I'm a large fan of everything in one place, and feel it is a shame they are split.
02:30:12	Soap	I grok that.
02:31:26	Paul_the_Nerd	Misticriver seems to be to a certain extent a very closed community.
02:31:34	Paul_the_Nerd	I'm surprised how often people try to give bug reports there
02:31:53	Paul_the_Nerd	I know we do get a good amount of people from it, but there's also a very large amount who never even see the official site.
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02:47:37	Strogg	Is the source code for the build environment still in CVS on sourceforge?
02:48:07	Strogg	I'm getting a no route to host when I try to connect to cvs.sourceforge.net... just wondering if things have changed and the webpage hasn't been updated
02:49:27	scorche	when was it ever on sourceforge?
02:49:33	JdGordon	ages and ages ago
02:49:39	scorche	exactly
02:50:03	scorche	http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
02:50:15	Strogg	cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gemoss login
02:50:22	Strogg	from the wiki..
02:50:29	scorche	where?
02:50:34	Strogg	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
02:50:38	rasher	That's only for some gmini specific bits that were developed outside of Rockbox
02:51:18	scorche	hence it only being under the gmini section
02:51:22	Strogg	ahh ok
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03:30:44	Davide-NYC	I just recieved my non-lcd remote from New Zealand!
03:30:49	Davide-NYC	It sucks!
03:30:50	Davide-NYC	:-P
03:33:39	Soap	does it have a sister?
03:33:53	scorche	or a ferret?
03:35:06	Soap	but, straight up, what don't yuou like about it? I always thought a remote should be smaller than those LCD ones.
03:35:28	Davide-NYC	it's a lot smaller.
03:35:41	Davide-NYC	I just wanted it for completeness.
03:36:08	Soap	The entire collection. All the Barbies.
03:36:08	Davide-NYC	now I have at least one of each iriver remote and both units
03:36:13	Davide-NYC	yup
03:36:22	Davide-NYC	so far I've already found one wierd bug
03:36:29	Davide-NYC	I can;t turn on the player with this remote
03:36:33	Davide-NYC	H1x0
03:36:55	Davide-NYC	But I have to go now. I wanted to just let the channel know for the record that I am remote master!
03:36:59	Davide-NYC	mwahahaha
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03:38:07	Soap	bater
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03:39:42	bsk8er48	Hello
03:40:26	bsk8er48	Any one got a 5.5 here?
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03:43:07	JdGordon	fark!
03:43:25	JdGordon	for some reason it is the new menu system which is screweing everything up!
03:48:36	Soap	bsk8er48: what is your question?
03:49:46	bsk8er48	will i got rockbox and apple os bootin fine through loader2 now on 5.5
03:50:01	bsk8er48	and i was wondering if it is possible to get ipodlinux going on it to
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03:50:52	scorche	then go to #ipodlinux or whatever channel they have ;)
03:51:06	bsk8er48	aww but rockboxers are the best
03:51:08	bsk8er48	lol ok
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03:52:28	bsk8er48	and sry scorche u can delete those posts on that 5.5 topic if u want
03:52:41	bsk8er48	i emailed Der
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03:53:05	scorche	alright
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04:53:20	*	JdGordon wins the prize for the biggest wtf bug!
04:58:58	goffa	creating or killing?
04:59:08	JdGordon	creating...
04:59:25	JdGordon	for some reason my new menu system causes retarted boosting problems..
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05:29:04	JdGordon	w00t.. i've narrowed the bug down to a 1function
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05:44:00	summatusmentis	I realize this is the rockbox channel, but could someone give me a usability analysis of rockbox vs. apple vs. ipodlinux?
05:45:05	rigel	wtf do you mean by "usability analysis"
05:45:20	rigel	as though theres some sort of objective measure of usability
05:45:51	*	scorche types up a 2000 word essay and hands it to summatusmentis by the due-date
05:46:11	summatusmentis	rigel, scorche, that's fair
05:46:25	scorche	seriously though...what do you mean?
05:46:37	summatusmentis	sorry, I'm tired of the itunesdb setup, and I'm looking for an alternative
05:46:57	summatusmentis	pros and cons of rockbox vs. ipodlinux, I guess
05:46:58	scorche	then you have narrowed it down to ipl and rockbox
05:47:10	scorche	well...we have different philosophies
05:47:51	summatusmentis	different philosophies?
05:47:55	summatusmentis	meaning?
05:47:57	scorche	we focus on the best/most audio-specific features and options we can put in, ipl focuses more on the "cool" things
05:48:16	summatusmentis	does rockbox do video?
05:48:26	scorche	it is a work in progress
05:48:37	scorche	so technically yes
05:48:55	summatusmentis	that's the impression I got of the entire ipl projects, at least for my iPod
05:49:25	summatusmentis	"work in progress", that is
05:49:34	scorche	ah
05:49:46	scorche	well, their video function is further along than ours
05:49:55	scorche	but then again, we dont really focus on video
05:50:20	summatusmentis	hrm...
05:50:31	summatusmentis	I'm gonna have to spend one saturday trying both, I guess
05:50:43	scorche	you can have both on your device
05:50:48	scorche	at the same time
05:50:53	summatusmentis	oh?
05:51:05	scorche	yes
05:51:11	scorche	=P
05:51:27	summatusmentis	I suppose I should've expected that
05:52:04	summatusmentis	does ipodlinux use the 'external hd' model for file transfer?
05:52:18	scorche	not sure what you mean by that
05:52:38	scorche	we both use apple's disk mode to transfer
05:52:41	summatusmentis	rockbox you can put your music on in any format you want right?
05:52:53	summatusmentis	sorry, by format I mean file structure
05:53:10	scorche	and by file structure what do you mean?
05:53:30	scorche	filesystem?
05:53:37	summatusmentis	the apple firmware requires the itunesdb be updated, and the music be stored in f*
05:53:59	scorche	f*?
05:54:00	summatusmentis	my understanding is that you can just transfer music to the HD, and rockbox will recognize it?
05:54:09	scorche	yes
05:54:20	scorche	drag-and drop
05:54:20	summatusmentis	f00, f01, f02 - I'm used to to linux CLI notation, sorry
05:54:28	summatusmentis	is ipl similar?
05:54:34	scorche	yes
05:54:55	summatusmentis	ok, thanks
05:55:04	*	summatusmentis is a newb when it comes to this sort of thing
05:55:09	summatusmentis	thanks for bearing with me
05:55:29	scorche	it was tough, but i got through =P
05:56:16	summatusmentis	ok, I may be around again, thanks
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07:49:58	amiconn	kkurbjun: Red builds!
07:50:06	kkurbjun	yep, I'm fixing that
07:50:57	amiconn	Monochrome targets don't have lcd_set_backdrop
07:51:54	kkurbjun	yeah, I changed all the plugins to include an if LCD_DEPTH>1
07:52:03	kkurbjun	and plugin.c/h
07:52:30	kkurbjun	now, if the build servers would start up again..
07:52:52	kkurbjun	I think I fixed all the monochrome
07:53:34	kkurbjun	There were only a couple of plugins that I changed beyond the lcd_set_backdrop stuff
07:54:00	kkurbjun	solitare was one - it looked pretty good with the backdrop
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08:00:59	Nimdae	looks like the build servers are almost done, kermit has nothing left to do :P
08:01:50	Nimdae	yup, done
08:02:10	kkurbjun	looks clean
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08:04:09	Nimdae	i bet once i resolve the memory usage issue of one of my services, kermit will build a bit faster
08:06:07	*	JdGordon is soo pissed off
08:06:22	Nimdae	i didn't do it
08:06:39	JdGordon	i found out what was causing all the problems in the menu recoding
08:07:00	JdGordon	im 99% sure it was the way dynamic menus were being done
08:08:34	scorche	go on...
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08:09:37	MeRKuRiAl	hi guys :)
08:09:43	JdGordon	because of the way lists are drawn, it was calling a loop which called the calback for each menu item every redraw, which looks like it caused the audio thread to think the cpu was being throttled so i boosted..
08:09:47	JdGordon	i _think_
08:10:07	MeRKuRiAl	i've accidentally deleted my ipod macintosh formatted ipod under linux
08:10:35	JdGordon	how do you deleted hardware?
08:10:39	scorche	and what can we do for you?
08:10:45	scorche	hehe
08:10:47	MeRKuRiAl	not exactly
08:10:54	Nimdae	i know how to delete hardware
08:10:54	MeRKuRiAl	I deleted the partition table
08:11:06	Nimdae	throw it in the trash
08:11:21	JdGordon	if its mac formatted, then rockbox cant run, so we cant help
08:11:21	scorche	Nimdae: that doesnt properly delete it though...
08:11:31	Nimdae	well, of course, you have to empty it
08:11:34	MeRKuRiAl	I'd need a copy of a factory default partition table (dd if=/dev/sdX of=factorymbr)
08:11:39	Nimdae	that's where the garbage collector comes in
08:11:49	scorche	JdGordon: you ruined the thing i was going to say when he got to the questuion =(
08:11:53	MeRKuRiAl	well, all I want righ now is recover my music
08:12:00	JdGordon	sorry :p
08:12:06	scorche	MeRKuRiAl: we cant help you
08:12:10	Nimdae	if you deleted the partition, you deleted the music
08:12:23	MeRKuRiAl	no
08:12:24	MeRKuRiAl	I only deleted the partition table
08:12:29	scorche	he said partition table
08:12:29	MeRKuRiAl	the data is still there
08:12:35	JdGordon	goto #ipodlinux
08:12:35	Nimdae	ah
08:12:42	Nimdae	remake it exactly how it was and don't format
08:12:44	scorche	or even #apple or #ipod
08:12:45	Nimdae	should be good to go
08:13:19	MeRKuRiAl	nimdae: that's what I'm trying to do, if only I knew how exactly it was...
08:13:30	scorche	Nimdae: and how do you do that exactly? =P
08:13:38	Nimdae	you can use fdisk in linux
08:13:39	*	scorche is slow tonight
08:13:46	Nimdae	but i dunno how it was laid out
08:13:51	scorche	bingo
08:13:58	Nimdae	mine isn't mac formatted ;)
08:14:12	MeRKuRiAl	i have a fresh copy of a windows formatted ipod's partition table
08:14:29	MeRKuRiAl	but mine right now was mac formatted
08:14:33	scorche	MeRKuRiAl: as i said...we cant really help you...
08:14:47	MeRKuRiAl	btw, any hope of getting hfsplus support on rockbox?
08:14:57	Nimdae	if you program it ;)
08:15:04	scorche	if someone comes along that will do it, yes
08:15:11	scorche	but we are not concerned with doing it atm
08:15:17	*	Nimdae passes out cookies
08:15:18	MeRKuRiAl	scorche: thx anyway, I see over here all ipods are rockbox enabled, hence not mac formatted...
08:15:26	scorche	aye
08:16:15	JdGordon	Ah crap... my fix didnt work :'(
08:16:48	scorche	=(
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08:16:56	Nimdae	i could take a guess at the partition table, i would suspect the first partition would be the same on both windows and apple formatted ipods, the only difference would be the partition type on the second partition...some drivers ignore it, some rely on it
08:17:00	Nimdae	oh, he left
08:17:08	*	scorche giggles a bit
08:17:28	Nimdae	and someone made a commit to cvs, lol
08:17:34	Nimdae	load shot up on kermit
08:18:03	*	JdGordon thinks there should be a message on the cvs page saying "we are not a ipod help room, only rockbox"
08:18:36	*	scorche wonders the use of it being on the CVS page
08:18:44	Nimdae	hell, rockbox != ipod in any way shape or form
08:18:46	JdGordon	irc page of course :p
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08:26:44	JdGordon	grr... narrowed it down to 10 bloody lines... but it all looks fine :'(
08:27:03	Nimdae	it always does
08:27:18	Nimdae	you stare at it, you read it over and over, you print it out and look at it
08:27:29	Nimdae	then one day it hits you and you feel like the most retarded person in the world
08:27:35	Nimdae	at least, that's what happens to me
08:27:39	JdGordon	if (menu->submenus[i]->menu_callback)
08:27:43	JdGordon	{
08:27:44	Nimdae	like when i leave off a ;
08:27:47	JdGordon	if (menu->submenus[i]->menu_callback(ACTION_ENTERING_MENUITEM,
08:27:51	JdGordon	menu->submenus[i])
08:27:55	JdGordon	!= ACTION_BACKOUT_MENUITEM)
08:27:59	JdGordon	{
08:28:03	JdGordon	current_subitems[current_subitems_count] = i;
08:28:04	JdGordon	current_subitems_count++;
08:28:04	JdGordon	}
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08:28:04	JdGordon	}
08:28:04	JdGordon	something there...
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08:28:04	JdGordon	it must be the callback being naughty.. but they look fine also :'(
08:28:06	Nimdae	it all looks foreign to me :P
08:28:29	JdGordon	that was me bumping my talk stats in the channel :D
08:28:51	scorche	scorche: scorche scorche scorche
08:28:53	scorche	my turn
08:29:03	Nimdae	i can always paste the crc32 lookup table from the ogg format that i ported to TCL >.>
08:29:21	JdGordon	please dont :D
08:29:25	Nimdae	:P
08:29:43	Nimdae	rockbox needs tcl/tk
08:29:44	amiconn	Nimdae: YOu can't
08:29:51	scorche	no it doesnt
08:29:57	Nimdae	yes it does
08:30:03	Nimdae	then i can make rockbox leet
08:30:12	amiconn	Freenode cuts verbatim pastes after 10 lines
08:30:29	Nimdae	it wouldn't be verbatim
08:30:51	JdGordon	most clients can put a pause between lines
08:30:55	JdGordon	so you dont get kicked
08:31:00	Nimdae	heh
08:31:10	Nimdae	irssi just makes you confirm
08:31:36	Nimdae	i had to rewrite a big chunk of an ogg decoder in tcl because i knew tcl and not c
08:32:19	Nimdae	and i hate the crc32 implementation in tcl
08:35:29	Nimdae	i should go in and write a complete decoder in tcl and see if it works
08:36:02	amiconn	Rockbox also has a crc32 function
08:36:12	Nimdae	i hope so
08:36:16	amiconn	It calculates in 4-bit slices, so the table isn't big
08:38:04	Nimdae	i'm sure tremor has its own crc32 algorithm going though
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08:38:55	JdGordon	how important are dynamic menus?
08:39:18	amiconn	They are required
08:39:46	JdGordon	i cant figure out why my damn callbacks are killing it
08:40:07	JdGordon	good news btw.. bin size drops byt 7200bytes on the h300 :)
08:41:11	amiconn	Then make a patch and let others have a look at it
08:43:39	JdGordon	have you had a look at the buttons for plugins patch yeet?
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09:44:33	petur	hmmm... somebody at taperssection reports that during recording the battery indicator stops working. Build 20061110 is ok and 20061111 is not
09:45:00	hcs	mm, I'd noticed something like that
09:45:30	petur	there were changes in powermanagement on 20061111
09:45:33	hcs	(er, but without recording)
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09:45:52	*	petur tries
09:46:05	hcs	it seems to be right when powering on, but it doesn't change
09:46:47	petur	ah, so one needs to record longer to see it
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10:04:18	JdGordon	anyone mind if i pretty up the audio thread debug screen? and multi-screen api it?
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10:07:17	linuxstb_	JdGordon: I think that's a good idea - it's one of the few places the old (non multi-screen) scrollbar widget is used. So it would be good to get rid of that. (The other places are in some plugins).
10:07:57	JdGordon	im also forcing the backlight to stay on in that screen... bloody annoying it turning off when your trying to debug :p
10:09:00	scorche	it would be better to be consistent...so anything in debug menu will be always on...if it is going into CVS that is
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10:09:52	JdGordon	scorche: i agree
10:09:56	JdGordon	1 screen ata time tho
10:10:00	JdGordon	at a*
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10:13:08	linuxstb_	Welcome back all...
10:13:19	JdGordon	same to you
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10:14:29	JdGordon	ah crap.. i just realised i was editing the HWCODEC screen which doesnt need multi screen api
10:15:17	linuxstb_	It does if we want to get rid of the old scrollbar widget.
10:19:19	JdGordon	is it better to use more ram and have 8 32byte buffers and only do snprintf once for each messgae, for 1 buffer but snprintf twice for each?
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10:29:32	Nimdae	i think next weekend i'm gonna try my hand at hacking rockbox
10:29:48	Nimdae	i'm starting to understand bits and pieces of it
10:29:58	amiconn	JdGordon: The audio debug screen clearly doesn't need the multi-screen api. That goes for any debug screen. They should be as simple and compact as possible
10:30:09	Nimdae	who knows,m aybe in 6 months i'll be a l33t h4x0r
10:30:33	scorche	Nimdae: for your sake, i hope you never will be
10:30:40	Nimdae	lol
10:30:48	Nimdae	why for my sake? i'd be more afraid for rockbox :P
10:30:54	scorche	true'
10:31:16	Nimdae	but who knows, maybe i'll do something truely amazing
10:31:21	JdGordon	amiconn: i disagree, but whatever.... i was going to do it because i need to play in ther code, the menu recode is driving me mad
10:31:26	Nimdae	but then again, i'll likely do something mediocre at best
10:31:40	scorche	as long as it isnt "1337", i will be fine with it =)
10:31:41	Nimdae	if it evenc ompiles
10:31:59	Nimdae	i use l33t h4x0r in a very loose sense
10:32:09	Mmmm	I've always wondered... does l33t h4x0r actually mean something?
10:32:21	JdGordon	it means your a 12 year old :p
10:32:28	scorche	^5
10:32:34	Nimdae	in normal human being terms, it is suppose to be "elite hacker"
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10:32:51	Mmmm	how does that work then?
10:32:54	Nimdae	usually ends up meaning "i'm a stupid little script kiddie"
10:33:07	Mmmm	l33t = elite?
10:33:17	Nimdae	l33t = leet = elite
10:33:22	scorche	shortened version of 31337
10:33:38	scorche	...not like i would know =P
10:33:38	Mmmm	ahhh... that almost makes sense now :D
10:33:43	Nimdae	i don't use the 1 or 7, i'm too good for that
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10:34:10	Nimdae	if you want to be ub3r l33t, http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html
10:34:24	Mmmm	Honestly...I dont :)
10:34:28	Nimdae	:P
10:34:33	Nimdae	just look at it, it's amusing
10:35:36	Kasperle	ttp://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/leetspeak.mspx
10:35:50	Nimdae	i've been tempted to use the aoler translator in support ticket responses at work
10:36:08	Mmmm	Nim: it would be good, but it doesn't work leet = let apparently!
10:36:17	Nimdae	well
10:36:19	Nimdae	it's aoler speak
10:36:23	Nimdae	not l33t sp34k
10:36:28	Mmmm	ahhh
10:36:44	Nimdae	THES TRANSLA2R WIL TAEK WUT U WRIET IN IT AND TURN IT IN2 TEH MAN3R A 12-Y3AR-OLD AOLER WUD WRIET IT!!!!!11 WTF LOL TYPE IN WUT U WANT TRANSLAETD AND THEN CLIK DA BUTON!1!!!11 OMG LOL
10:37:12	scorche	ugh...enough already
10:37:16	Nimdae	ok
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10:40:53	JdGordon	linuxstb_: unless rb->scrollbar points to the multi-screen scrollbar, then only debug_menu.c and recorder/recording.c use the scrollbar(), so if we want to get rid of it those 2 files could be fixed
10:41:40	JdGordon	nope, rb->scrollbar points to the bad one.. but that could be fixed relativly easily..
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10:52:19	linuxstb_	amiconn: I agree, we don't need multi-screen support in the debug screens. But the debug screens also shouldn't use the old single-screen widgets such as the scrollbar.
10:52:22	*	linuxstb_ away
10:54:51	JdGordon	well.. ive got a nice way to remove the old scrollbar... is it good enough to use scrollbar() as a wrapper for gui_scrollbar_draw() which only draws to the main screen?
10:56:32	*	JdGordon wonders why checkbox() is not in the plugin api or removed... only clock.rock uses it
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10:57:22	Tyronemaskell	hello all
10:57:39	Tyronemaskell	and iriver users here
10:57:45	JdGordon	a few
10:57:52	Tyronemaskell	mean any
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11:06:33	Tyronemaskell	hello any one keen to chat
11:06:47	Tyronemaskell	i wish rock box could play wma
11:06:50	JdGordon	no, but if you ask a quesion we might be helpful
11:07:07	Tyronemaskell	what are the formats that rockbox can play
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11:08:26	Bagder	Tyronemaskell: check the SoundCodecs wiki page for all details
11:12:18	JdGordon	amiconn: and you say noone cares about binary size on the recorder... i just dropped 400btes for you :p
11:12:51	Tyronemaskell	soundsodecs wiki page ?
11:13:35	JdGordon	Bagder: the script you gave me last week, thats not the one that actually creates the cvs table is it? it just runs the builds?
11:13:47	scorche	Tyronemaskell: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=SoundCodecs
11:13:54	Bagder	JdGordon: ah yes
11:14:39	JdGordon	can I get the one that makes the table? I want to make an rss for the most recent builds so the whole cvs page doesnt need to be updated constanlty when I am impatient
11:14:52	JdGordon	.. to save your bandwidth
11:16:43	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/showbuilds.txt
11:16:58	JdGordon	thanks
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11:27:01	Tyronemaskell	how do i know what the latest version is
11:27:26	Tyronemaskell	and how do i check the ver im using on my player
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11:31:01	markun	Tyronemaskell: it's updated every day, so if you didn't download it today you don't have the latest version.
11:31:32	firenx	wow, i had not updated in a while and this new version is so much smoother
11:31:57	markun	firenx: which player?
11:32:31	firenx	-[=
11:32:35	firenx	ipod video 30gb
11:32:51	firenx	got the jclix theme installed too, very nice
11:32:54	JdGordon	Bagder: what filenames are the logs given locally? does the script just grab all the files in output/allbuilds/ and sort them by date?
11:33:03	Tyronemaskell	shit i cant rem how to install again hehhe
11:33:10	*	JdGordon 's perl is a bit rusty
11:33:17	Bagder	JdGordon: correct, as there are only build logs in there
11:33:27	JdGordon	ok, ta
11:33:36	Bagder	with file names according to the dates
11:33:45	Bagder	when they were made
11:33:58	JdGordon	is the target in the filename?
11:34:03	Bagder	no
11:34:10	Bagder	all builds are in the same file
11:34:26	markun	Tyronemaskell: just unzip the rockbox.zip file to your player
11:34:28	Bagder	there are keywords before and after the whole "round"
11:34:38	Bagder	and also before and after each single build
11:34:41	JdGordon	can you make one avialable please so i can test locally?
11:36:11	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/allbuilds-20061115.gz
11:36:24	Bagder	I gzipped it, you need to unzip that
11:36:32	JdGordon	thanks
11:36:37	Bagder	that's the builds from today as you see
11:38:59	Tyronemaskell	will it override the old ver or do i need to delete files from the old ver
11:39:11	preglow	interesting
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12:02:50	rasher	Yes, just unzip in the root and overwrite everything
12:03:41	Tyronemaskell	thanx alot
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12:04:00	Tyronemaskell	is the latest build the bleeding builds
12:04:14	rasher	Yes
12:06:03	Tyronemaskell	thanx guys
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13:02:11	JdGordon	no i dont... woohoo :D
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13:28:06	JdGordon	petur: didnt you think we would remmeber? :D
13:28:19	petur	rofl
13:29:06	petur	jhMikeS: around?
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13:30:00	petur	barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6322
13:30:34	barrywardell	thanks petur, JdGordon just pointed me to it. I'm having a look now
13:30:46	petur	ah ok
13:30:50	barrywardell	have you reproduced the problem?
13:30:59	petur	no, no time atm :(
13:31:23	barrywardell	i'm gonna test it on my h10, but don't have a h100 to test it on
13:33:48	barrywardell	it's likely that the problem only affects targets with BATT_LIPOL1300
13:34:39	rasher	What it needed to test? Note battery level, start recording, wait 1 hour, note battery level. Stop recording, note battery level?
13:36:06	rasher	What is* needed to test
13:37:41	petur	hmmm... does it have to do with BATT_AVE_SAMPLES ?
13:38:51	petur	gtg
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13:40:46	JdGordon	FUCK!!!! i figured out the problem!
13:43:05	*	JdGordon is pissed off!
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13:45:32	markun	JdGordon: what's the matter?
13:46:02	JdGordon	the bug in the menu and setting recode.. which i have been looking for for 2 months.. i found it!
13:46:49	markun	Why are you so pissed off then?
13:47:20	JdGordon	coz it took 2 months to find
13:47:36	JdGordon	the bug was the wrong define was used :'(
13:48:31	*	JdGordon requests everyone to not touch settings.[ch] for a few days
13:48:52	*	amiconn can't promise anything ;)
13:49:11	JdGordon	are you planning to?
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13:52:12	amiconn	Nah, not really
13:52:18	*	Slasheri hopes the new settings parser does not make considerably slower. Or if it does, we could pre-cache the binary settings struct unless version has been changed
13:52:32	Slasheri	+boot slower
13:52:40	JdGordon	i have not noticed any speed difference booting
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13:52:44	Slasheri	nice
13:52:52	JdGordon	shutting down can be a touch slower if it needs to save tho
13:53:11	Slasheri	that does not matter.. imho, shutdown can take as long as necessary
13:53:21	JdGordon	thats what i figured
13:53:38	barrywardell	rasher: i'm not really sure what needs testing. the bug report isn't very clear
13:54:01	amiconn	Slasheri: The whole point is to get rid of the version
13:54:22	amiconn	And in fact I think it will be faster, because all that bitslicing is no longer necessary
13:55:30	JdGordon	is bitslicing slower than string proccessing?
13:55:48	Slasheri	amiconn: yes, but for caching that would be a different thing. but it sounds like it will be fast enough without it
13:57:44	Slasheri	and that would be nice indeed.. it's then possible to modify configuration even directly from pc
13:58:03	JdGordon	yup
13:59:37	rasher	barrywardell: I'll wait for more details from submitter then
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14:00:12	barrywardell	yes, i think so. unless i spot something obvious in the code. i just replied to the report asking for more details
14:01:33	bluebrother	when there is a new config file make sure it works with files containing a BOM ...
14:01:39	*	bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6203
14:02:06	JdGordon	whats a bOM?
14:02:19	rasher	byte-order marker
14:02:33	*	amiconn thinks "Oh noes! No more cachering!"
14:02:46	Wett	please, does anyone know how I can play sound in a plugin if I use the simulator ? I tried to use the pcm_insert_split from the codec structure, but it doesn't seem to be possible.
14:02:52	rasher	it's a unicode thingy, that's really quite annoying, and it's rather uncertain why editors insert it all the time
14:04:02	JdGordon	bluebrother: is that patch ready to go?
14:04:37	JdGordon	probably good to get that into the source before the move
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14:19:07	JdGordon	praise gmail for auto-saving emails :D firefox just crashed mid way through one
14:19:20	rasher	Firefox autosaves as well!
14:21:22	bluebrother	JdGordon, I guess not. I have only roughly tested it (but I think we should use something like that)
14:22:01	JdGordon	ok, it looks safe :p
14:22:43	JdGordon	guys, the patch is on the dev mailing list, if your bored please give it a bit of a look over..
14:22:54	JdGordon	and on that note, im going to bed
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15:28:01	Damme	hello, any news on the video-chip on ipod-video? i've tried for a while a couple of weeks ago but one managed to crash the ipod in 1001 ways >:(
15:31:59	bluebrother	none that I know of.
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16:08:33	preglow	i wouldn't count on that chip ever being supported
16:08:39	preglow	it's completely undocumented
16:08:44	preglow	and a bitch to re
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18:38:53	PaulPosition	well f*ck me, been searching days for some sort of "last changes to cvs" page and I only just found out it's right down the rockbox.org entry page. duh.
18:39:34	PaulPosition	guess I'd need a voice menu for that too, I'm clearly blind. :p
18:42:28	bluebrother	I usually use find-as-you-type in firefox when searching websites ... really a great feature
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19:26:31	Gnelik1111	barrywardell� hi!
19:26:38	barrywardell	hi
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19:27:21	Gnelik	barrywardell: I edited all files to build normal sansa build
19:27:41	barrywardell	great. do you have a patch available?
19:28:23	Gnelik	but :(
19:28:28	Gnelik	15.59.17 # <Gnelik> What does it meens and what can i do with it???
19:28:28	Gnelik	15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >/home/��/rockbox/e200/apps/rockbox.elf section .stack)
19:28:28	Gnelik	15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: section .cop_stack [0
19:28:28	Gnelik	15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >f000000 -> 0f0004ff] overlaps section .stack [0f000148 -> 0f002147]
19:28:28	Gnelik	15.59.36 # <Gnelik> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19:28:28	Gnelik	16.00.02 # <Gnelik> >/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region IRAM is full (
19:28:34	rocko	:(
19:28:47	barrywardell	ah, yes
19:29:09	Gnelik	barrywardell: i dont know how to fix it
19:29:10	barrywardell	maybe firmware/apps.lds needs editing
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19:31:08	Gnelik	barrywardell: in many places i aaded (CONFIG_CPU==PP5024)
19:31:14	Gnelik	to #elif (CONFIG_CPU==PP5002) \|\| (CONFIG_CPU==PP5020) \|\|
19:31:21	Gnelik	it may cause errors
19:31:39	barrywardell	it's a reasonable guess to make to add that
19:32:07	Gnelik	New error /opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.glue_7'
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19:33:47	barrywardell	i'm really not very familiar with lds files
19:33:52	Gnelik	barrywardell: Sory it is in codecs
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19:34:06	Gnelik	Couldn't find mi4code
19:34:07	Lear	Hm, probably should've checked that WPS ReplayGain patch... ;)
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19:34:48	barrywardell	you shouldn't need mi4code
19:34:51	siver	anybody knows about doom for ipod nano?
19:35:07	Gnelik	Its DONE !!!!
19:35:12	Gnelik	:D
19:35:13	barrywardell	tools/scramble should do everything important that mi4code does
19:35:34	barrywardell	done? did you fix all build errors?
19:35:40	Gnelik	Yep
19:35:48	Gnelik	$ make bin
19:35:49	Gnelik	make[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date.
19:35:49	Gnelik	make[1]: `convbdf' is up to date.
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19:35:49	Gnelik	make[1]: `bmp2rb' is up to date.
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19:35:49	Gnelik	make[1]: `scramble' is up to date.
19:35:51	Gnelik	make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:35:53	Gnelik	MAKE in bitmaps/mono
19:35:55	Gnelik	make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:35:57	Gnelik	MAKE in bitmaps/native
19:35:59	Gnelik	make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:36:01	Gnelik	Build firmware file
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19:36:16	Gnelik	I cant see mi4 file
19:36:23	Gnelik	only rockbox.bin
19:36:46	barrywardell	excellent. can you send me a patch?
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19:37:09	Gnelik	How can i do it
19:37:11	Gnelik	lol
19:38:15	barrywardell	do "cvs diff -uN > e200.patch"
19:38:49	barrywardell	it shouldn't make a mi4 file. only a bootloader build does that
19:38:58	Gnelik	ha
19:39:00	Gnelik	ok
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19:39:42	barrywardell	when you have the e200.patch file, it could be a good idea to post it to the patch tracker
19:40:47	Gnelik	Ok
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19:46:20	Gnelik	barrywardell: I have published it
19:47:00	Gnelik	But there are some things
19:47:29	Gnelik	That i edited myself
19:47:56	Gnelik	And old dan_a's Sansa e200 ata file
19:48:02	barrywardell	i'll have a look
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19:52:29	LinusN	barrywardell: do you intend to look at the issue with the non-updating battery level?
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19:53:07	barrywardell	yes
19:53:16	LinusN	goode, i won't bother then
19:53:31	barrywardell	feel free if you like. i don't have a h100 to test on
19:54:10	barrywardell	and i will be away for the next three days so unless i figure it out tonight i won't be able to do it till after that
19:54:41	barrywardell	LinusN: have you been able to reproduce the problem?
19:54:42	rasher	Someone just said he had the problem on his nano
19:54:59	LinusN	barrywardell: i haven't tried to reproduce it yet
19:55:22	barrywardell	i have a feeling it could be people with LIPOL1300 batterys
19:55:34	Gnelik	barrywardell: Did you try to build it, does it build?
19:56:34	barrywardell	not yet
19:56:46	rasher	I'll try reproducing
19:57:06	LinusN	barrywardell: after a quick glance, it seems like battery_centivolts isn't always updated
19:57:22	LinusN	only in usb mode and when battery_percent < 8
19:57:55	barrywardell	hmm. ok, that would do it
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19:58:29	barrywardell	i see it there now
19:58:47	rocko	there we go
19:58:57	rocko	took me like 45 minutes for my shit to sync
19:58:57	LinusN	man, that power code surely is complicated
19:59:10	LinusN	horrible in fact
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20:00:32	preglow	so they say
20:00:45	barrywardell	i'm very tempted to start with an empty file and rewrite from scratch
20:01:08	LinusN	well, better stay clear of the archos charging code
20:02:08	barrywardell	things could definitely be tidied up anyway
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20:07:55	jhMikeS	LinusN: is there any good reason you can think of that my x5 should shut off at around 3.65V during a battery bench. others have said the last spinup might have failed but V seems a bit high for that. thoughts?
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20:11:07	LinusN	jhMikeS: i point at barrywardell
20:11:51	LinusN	he recently added code to shut down on low battery, and the levels might have to be adjusted on the x5
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20:12:10	LinusN	jhMikeS: will you look at the fm radio issue?
20:12:12	jhMikeS	It was supposed to be at 3.50V though
20:12:17	jhMikeS	LinusN: What's that?
20:12:31	LinusN	a lot of people have problems playing fm radio
20:12:33	jhMikeS	I set the V to zero to stop it.
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20:12:53	jhMikeS	Of recent or is this an older problem?
20:12:58	LinusN	recently
20:13:26	jhMikeS	Is there a report somewhere on the details in FS?
20:14:06	LinusN	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6330
20:14:20	preglow	just popped in another one on ml
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20:15:38	LinusN	jhMikeS: i take it you haven't subscribed to the flyspray mailing list?
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20:16:01	*	petur found out today that radio on his h340 no longer works
20:16:37	jhMikeS	My radio works but my build on the player is a bit older
20:16:42	jhMikeS	Trying it now
20:16:52	jhMikeS	Suppose I should double check my subscriptions
20:17:41	habana	hi
20:17:49	LinusN	ho
20:18:20	jhMikeS	I built mine on the 12th
20:18:26	habana	Gnelik: did you manage to compile rockbox on the sansa ?
20:19:09	habana	LinusN: lol
20:19:13	*	amiconn spots a rare evening guest :)
20:20:20	habana	before rockbox, i was found of 1 linus. since RB there are 2 linus in my free computer life :)
20:22:37	LinusN	amiconn: been awfully busy lately
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20:29:47	habana	Gnelik: did you manage to compile rockbox on the sansa ? (bis)
20:29:57	Gnelik	yep
20:30:05	habana	:)
20:30:13	habana	not too much errors ?
20:31:03	Gnelik	I fixed them all
20:31:14	Gnelik	10-20
20:31:16	Gnelik	only
20:32:06	habana	nice
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20:32:25	habana	what could i do to help the port ?
20:32:48	jhMikeS	hmmm...my radio still starts
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20:33:08	amiconn	habana: _on_ the sansa? That might be a little diffcult
20:33:13	amiconn	No gcc.rock yet ;)
20:33:18	jhMikeS	now a cvs up on that source
20:33:24	amiconn	scnr
20:34:44	habana	jhMikeS: youre lucky! in france, sandisk removed radio tuner for tax stories
20:36:37	petur	jhMikeS: here it all looks OK but there's no sound
20:37:52	jhMikeS	petur: I had a checkout with my last changes but not with anything after that and it worked, sound and all. Did a cvs up and am gonna try again with that.
20:39:03	petur	I have a CVS build of this morning, am upping now...
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20:39:52	jhMikeS	oh wait, this is H100 related only? rrrr...just work up and am otp too :P
20:40:13	jhMikeS	iRiver rather
20:40:33	bluebrother	I guess this is related to the recording changes?
20:41:15	jhMikeS	I don't think so, probably something else. Never would have added the recording if radio were affected badly.
20:41:39	bluebrother	hmm. My idea was that initialization of the mixer changed slightly
20:41:56	bluebrother	... but this is only an idea.
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20:43:02	jhMikeS	bluebrother: It did but the radio was still working
20:43:26	bluebrother	working meaning from the recording screen? It only breaks when you enter the radio through the main menu
20:43:31	jhMikeS	both
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20:43:53	bluebrother	which led me to the assumption there was some initialization changes that only made it to the recording screen.
20:44:01	jhMikeS	Trust me, I checked every input and had to check recording via the radio
20:44:27	bluebrother	I do. Just thought I mention my idea (in the hope it might be helpful ;-)
20:44:31	jhMikeS	Would've noticed that. It's more recent than the BRP
20:46:41	jhMikeS	Might have to do with my fix for the optical out but can't be sure yet. It's probably a big DOH kind of thing :)
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20:52:57	jhMikeS	yup, sure is messed up
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20:54:26	jhMikeS	even have sound when going to the rec screen in fm and the sound turns off when going out of recording...hmmm
20:55:50	habana	GreyFoux:tu as quoi comme lecteur ?
20:56:16	jhMikeS	might've messed up the the volume
20:56:16	rasher	Please don't speak French here
20:56:32	habana	oups
20:56:34	rasher	Please don't speak anything but English here
20:57:16	jhMikeS	que? yo no hablo ingles.
20:58:03	lostlogic	si, prefiero el espa~nol
20:58:13	jhMikeS	si, y to tambien
20:58:21	jhMikeS	yo
20:58:21	rasher	Det var dog irriterende.
20:58:34	lostlogic	cough so about that English.
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21:02:58	jhMikeS	merde!
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21:03:45	LinusN	i learned most of my french swear words by playing petanque :-)
21:04:39	vr	:D
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21:18:13	jhMikeS	hmmm...time for some real hard thinking about this...:O
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21:31:17	jhMikeS	ok...have an idea now...
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21:35:01	barrywardell	LinusN: i think this may fix the battery readings: http://pastebin.ca/249474
21:35:16	petur	h3x0 charging is hardware protected, right? I had it charging for over an hour with no change of level. Power off and on and the battery was full...
21:36:50	LinusN	barrywardell: you sure?
21:37:03	barrywardell	nope, i'm just going to test on my h10 now
21:37:25	barrywardell	but that was removed in my commit and it looks like it could be the cause
21:38:10	*	barrywardell is regretting ever committing that patch :(
21:38:14	jhMikeS	barrywardell: hmmm...saying the battery filter could be wrong and giving me the incorrect voltage?
21:38:28	LinusN	barrywardell: i think i see an old bug
21:38:43	LinusN	if (!ata_disk_is_active() \|\| usb_inserted()) {
21:38:52	barrywardell	jhMikeS: are you talking about battery_bench?
21:38:58	jhMikeS	barrywardell: yes
21:39:25	jhMikeS	it uses the filtered battery level
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21:39:26	barrywardell	that has always cut off before the end. it did a while back when I was doing the H10 benchmarks anyway
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21:39:51	jhMikeS	someone gave me an x5l bench that went clear down to 3.3V where the pcf should turn it off
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21:40:30	LinusN	barrywardell: nah, that was not a bug
21:40:41	barrywardell	it's kinda random. disk writes don't happen when the battery level gets below battery_level_dangerous
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21:40:59	barrywardell	so it can't save the battery_bench data
21:41:19	barrywardell	and the battery_bench data only gets saved on disk spinup iirc
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21:41:41	barrywardell	LinusN: I'm about to try my patch. I'll see how it goes
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21:43:29	PaulPosition	jhMikes - I dunno if this makes any sense, feel free to call me a fool, but couldn't you bench while rolling a full playlist? Then the disk would be forced to spin more often and, even though it will bleed energy more quickly, at least you may have two or three more readings near battery-life's end.. ??
21:44:02	amiconn	?
21:44:13	amiconn	Everything is a playlist in rockbox
21:44:43	PaulPosition	I guess I said something stupid.. I mean playing more than what could be buffered... Isn't it how most hd based dap works?
21:44:45	amiconn	...and rockbox always uses the complete buffer for buffering audio
21:45:30	amiconn	Using a playlist which amounts to more than the ram size is a requirement for a battery benchmark
21:45:31	jhMikeS	there were many more than a few readings past that point and the bench was done before the patch commit
21:45:42	PaulPosition	oh..
21:46:36	amiconn	Otherwise the disk would never spin up. A playlist smaller than the ram buffer size is an unlikely scenario
21:47:56	jhMikeS	showed a nice acceleration downward when the batt was low for about an hour
21:47:58	amiconn	On the X5 the buffer can hold ~10 minutes of half-decent quality mp3 (192 kbps)
21:48:29	petur	jhMikeS: without looking at the code: any reason why recording to mp3 would limit channels selection to stereo? mp3 encoder doesn't do mono maybe?
21:49:16	jhMikeS	petur: it does mono but not above 160k since 320k stereo is just two 160k mono streams anyway
21:49:30	petur	ah, ok
21:49:43	amiconn	No joint stereo?
21:49:49	jhMikeS	nope
21:50:48	jhMikeS	if the encoder is ever changed to support it I'll add a stereo mode option to the menu
21:51:17	petur	so recording mono actually doubles the quality?
21:51:38	*	petur thinks this is not very logical
21:52:55	petur	if we limit the user to 160k in mono, he'll switch to stereo because he gets the feeling he can have higher quality by using 320k
21:53:07	jhMikeS	for any given bitrate mono allocates all the bits to a single stream instead of dividing the bits between the two channels
21:53:28	jhMikeS	for regular stereo mode anyway
21:54:48	jhMikeS	Just a matter of uncapping it. Actually, I limit some low bitrates to mono only because they're practically unintelligible for stereo for the reasons above
21:56:13	Nimdae	wow, i might have run into a recently admitted bug in rockbox...i'll have to updated it to latest cvs to confirm, but i can't get it to shut off
21:56:37	Nimdae	ooo
21:56:40	Nimdae	it's not a shut off problem
21:56:43	Nimdae	it locked up, lol
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21:59:30	petur	jhMikeS: this is different from what all encode tools on PC (that I know/use) do: They'll happily accept 320kbps mono so probably always halve the bitrate for mono.
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22:00:19	Lear	amiconn: So the X5 only has 16 MB RAM?
22:00:27	amiconn	yes
22:00:29	jhMikeS	petur: I've heard that a lot limit the mono rate but can change like one line in the menu for that.
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22:00:46	amiconn	Same as h110/h115 (aka iHP100/iHP110)
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22:01:18	jhMikeS	this radio bug is so odd cause not long ago I was whizzing around the menus listening to voice mixed with fm :-\
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22:02:05	*	petur wonders what's the best option for the enduser
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22:05:34	jhMikeS	petur: Can't really say...do people ever use mono for quality? If they want quality they shouldn't use that encoder at all but use WAV or WavPack instead.
22:05:48	barrywardell	LinusN: i think my patch does fix the battery update problem. The battery level on my H10 definitely changed with it applied and I'm now running Rockbox without it applied and am yet to see it change. i'm not totally sure if the second half of it is necessary though - my battery is a long way off 8%.
22:06:07	LinusN	barrywardell: commit it then
22:08:16	petur	barrywardell: I just tried here and my h340 crashed :(
22:08:44	barrywardell	with the patch?
22:08:50	barrywardell	what is your battery level?
22:09:00	petur	above 4
22:09:17	barrywardell	4%?
22:09:21	petur	4V
22:09:31	petur	near full
22:09:33	barrywardell	ah, ok. hmmm
22:09:43	petur	just restarted it...
22:10:08	barrywardell	what sort of crash?
22:10:10	Lear	jhmikes: regarding the radio problem: could the removal of "uda1380_set_monitor(true);" in rec_set_source (recording.c) have anything to do with it?
22:10:24	petur	may be unrelated tho, just before that I went from a huge playlist to a very small one
22:11:40	jhMikeS	Lear: did I do that? :O :P wtf probably
22:12:00	barrywardell	LinusN, petur: should I not commit it until further testing then? I can confirm now that it definitely fixes the problem on my H10.
22:12:14	petur	it's probably ok
22:12:24	Lear	Several *_set_monitor calls removed there...
22:12:53	jhMikeS	Lear: LOL...I though I was removing spdif_set_monitor calls! hrmph...thanks, nice catch!
22:13:00	LinusN	barrywardell: go ahead
22:13:39	barrywardell	done
22:13:52	jhMikeS	like I said: DOH!
22:13:56	Lear	jhmikes: Had a working build from the 11:th, so I just looked at what happened after that...
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22:14:37	LinusN	jhMikeS: 20.46.41 # <jhMikeS> Might have to do with my fix for the optical out but can't be sure yet. It's probably a big DOH kind of thing :)
22:14:41	LinusN	:-)
22:14:54	jhMikeS	indeed
22:15:45	Lear	Hm. Radio screen logic is a bit odd... From browser, enter menu, go to radio. From radio, enter menu, press left. Presto, back in browser.
22:17:24	LinusN	ouch
22:17:26	amiconn	Lear: You don't enter the main menu from Radio, you leave the Radio screen into the menu
22:18:09	amiconn	You can do that in 2 ways, either with the radio switching of or with the radio still playing
22:18:15	jhMikeS	working now :)
22:18:19	amiconn	s/of/off/
22:18:31	jhMikeS	Nirvana
22:19:48	jhMikeS	The muting in the pcm buffer has to go, it makes the radio playback breakup with voice
22:21:54	jhMikeS	Things aren't constantly reset now since the state is tracked so clicking might not be so problematic any more
22:22:29	*	amiconn wants to get rid of clicking on archos as well :/
22:22:45	amiconn	Need proper mas state handling (state machine?) for this
22:23:46	jhMikeS	amiconn: btw I worked out the code for dither matrixes if you actually want to _generate_ them...could pastebin it. Needed to remind myself.
22:24:25	amiconn	I don't want to generate live. Too much code imho (and I want magic squares which can't be easily scaled)
22:24:48	amiconn	I found a nice site that can generate double-even most-perfect magic squares :)
22:25:05	jhMikeS	why majic squares? you like that pattern better? A 4x4 majic square can be scaled, I've got that too
22:25:35	Lear	jhmikes: ah, so that's the logic.
22:26:18	amiconn	Besides, we don't need many dithering matrices
22:26:31	amiconn	I'm still unsure whether we want optional dithering for mono
22:26:32	Lear	He, the manual is clear on it. :)
22:26:45	amiconn	The matrix itself is 256 bytes...
22:27:20	preglow	dithering for _mono_ ?
22:27:23	jhMikeS	Lear: say again? :) the logic of what?
22:27:46	amiconn	_to_ mono (for mono targets and for mono format)
22:27:58	Lear	the logic of leaving the radio and "entering" the menu.
22:29:18	amiconn	It's been like that for ages... and it's only logical that you end up in the main menu when you leave the radio screen, since the main menu is what you entered the radio screen from
22:29:37	jhMikeS	Really wanted to get recording available to the radio screen asap and doing recording from the radio screen atm would forfeit functionality
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22:31:24	jhMikeS	ok, radio bug fixed
22:31:33	Lear	amiconn: I don't listen to radio much, and I was thinking "A-B enters menu" (and not "leaving radio screen"), which made me confused. :)
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22:32:02	barrywardell	hmm. i committed that fix. no sign of it in the build table though???
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22:33:37	LinusN	conflict?
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22:33:58	jhMikeS	I should mention too that my battery level showed 100% the entire time I did the last battery bench ;)
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22:34:17	barrywardell	nope, i had reversed the patch to test if it really worked and forgot to reapply before committing
22:34:23	LinusN	lol
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22:35:10	barrywardell	it took me a good 10 minutes to figure that out too :)
22:36:46	preglow	amiconn: won't that look damned ugly?
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22:39:03	whickywhack	when trying to install on my ipod from my mac I got this:
22:39:04	whickywhack	diskdump v0.1 - (C) Dave Chapman 2005
22:39:04	whickywhack	This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
22:39:04	DBUG	Enqueued KICK whickywhack
22:39:04	whickywhack	warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
22:39:04	whickywhack	[INFO] Reading partition table...
22:39:06	whickywhack	Bad boot sector signature
22:39:08	whickywhack	Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB)
22:39:10	whickywhack	0 0x90 -1073744064 2147479335 1572862
22:39:12	whickywhack	1 0xbf 9412 -1073734653 1572862
22:39:14	whickywhack	2 0xfe -1881115580 -1881100621 7
22:39:16	whickywhack	3 0x00 -2139062144 -2139062145 0
22:39:18	whickywhack	[INFO] Seeking to sector -1073744064
22:39:20	whickywhack	[WARN] Seek error - reading -1073744064 sectors instead
22:39:30	whickywhack	any ideas?
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22:41:36	spug	whickywhack: what kind of ipod is it?
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22:46:15	JdGordon	LinusN: you happy with the plugin actions patch? i think ill commit it today and try to do some more
22:47:14	LinusN	looks fine to me
22:47:27	JdGordon	k
22:48:01	whickywhack	oh sorry to keep you waiting spug
22:48:07	whickywhack	its a color iPod
22:48:10	whickywhack	60 Gig
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22:54:54	Nimdae	ok, there is definately a problem with the rockbox on my ipod, and it's not a complete lockup problem...more of a not responding problem
22:55:25	Nimdae	i dunno if i'll get a chance to update it for a while though, i'm at work
22:56:45	Nimdae	it appeared to happen when toggling play/pause through the car mode (turn off car, it pauses, etc)
22:57:01	Nimdae	only recent changes in configuration is enabling dircache
22:57:19	Nimdae	both times it happened with a long name somewhere in the path
22:57:31	Nimdae	tried to force it to happen again and couldn't
22:59:08	obo	whickywhack: formated with HFS (macpod)?
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23:13:43	PorcupineTree	i have an iRiver H140 and installed rockbox few days ago.. i have one question..
23:13:47	PorcupineTree	anyone willing to help?
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23:14:24	LinusN	of course, but you haven't asked a question yet
23:14:29	SoulDeaD	if it?s not specific to iriver i guess i could
23:14:39	PorcupineTree	well
23:14:47	PorcupineTree	i cant srobble files to last.fm
23:14:57	PaulPosition	sure.
23:15:23	PorcupineTree	neither with logscrobbler nor with http://rockscrob.hostvit.ru/
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23:15:49	PorcupineTree	it says "Some tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
23:15:50	PorcupineTree	Submissions from before the date you registered are not allowed.
23:15:57	PorcupineTree	what should I do?
23:16:24	SoulDeaD	sorry
23:16:30	PaulPosition	Ah.. When did you register to the last.fm site?
23:16:33	SoulDeaD	not familiar with that
23:16:43	PorcupineTree	Registered: 2 Nov 2006
23:16:57	PorcupineTree	and insalled rockbox 3 days ago..
23:17:09	LinusN	can i see the first lines of your scrobbler file?
23:17:20	PorcupineTree	sure
23:17:38	PorcupineTree	#AUDIOSCROBBLER/1.0
23:17:39	PorcupineTree	#TZ/UNKNOWN
23:17:39	PorcupineTree	#CLIENT/Rockbox h120 $Revision: 1.2 $ Timeless
23:17:42	PorcupineTree	this?
23:17:53	LinusN	yes
23:17:58	LinusN	looks correct to me
23:18:15	PaulPosition	does h120 have realtime clock?
23:18:18	petur	no
23:18:25	PorcupineTree	no it doesnt
23:18:29	PorcupineTree	i looked for the clock..
23:18:37	petur	how do you upload to last.fm?
23:18:47	PaulPosition	Ah.. Have you tried, in logscrobbler, the functions for setting time?
23:19:23	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:19:23	*	petur learns to look at the discussion before asking questions
23:19:25	PorcupineTree	functions for setting time?
23:19:27	obo	PorcupineTree: you'll need to upload using the Perl script, or Logscrobbler
23:19:33	spug	there's a perl script too, that generates timestamps for timestampless logs
23:19:41	obo	those are the only two methods that work for devices that don't have an RTC
23:19:50	PaulPosition	Yeah, something like "shift after last played" or some such menu...
23:19:57	PorcupineTree	RTC = real time clock?
23:19:58	PorcupineTree	:)
23:20:01	obo	yup
23:20:03	PorcupineTree	#AUDIOSCROBBLER/1.0
23:20:04	PorcupineTree	#TZ/UNKNOWN
23:20:04	PorcupineTree	#CLIENT/Rockbox h120 $Revision: 1.2 $ Timeless
23:20:06	PorcupineTree	sorry
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23:20:21	PorcupineTree	[23:19] <PorcupineTree> functions for setting time in logscrobbler?
23:20:22	PorcupineTree	??
23:20:34	PaulPosition	What it does is guestimate when you played songs from their lenght AND a arbitrary date/time you set...
23:21:15	PorcupineTree	hmm..and where is that function?
23:21:21	PorcupineTree	logscrobbler is pretty simple
23:21:35	PorcupineTree	is it "shift after last played" ?
23:21:47	PaulPosition	<PaulPosition> Yeah, something like "shift after last played" or some such menu...
23:22:08	PorcupineTree	i tried pressing that button few times and it blocks logscrobbler
23:22:16	PaulPosition	But since I haven't had to use that, I don't know much about how it works..
23:22:24	PorcupineTree	where do I get that third method?
23:22:28	PorcupineTree	pearl script?
23:22:46	PaulPosition	Have you looked at the thread over at misticriver, about logscrobbler?
23:22:57	PorcupineTree	vaguely...
23:23:08	PorcupineTree	when i downloaded logscrobbler...
23:23:17	PorcupineTree	but never got any deeper into it..
23:23:21	PaulPosition	okay..
23:23:27	PorcupineTree	trying to skip forums..
23:23:34	PorcupineTree	prefer live discussion..
23:23:45	Soap	the perl script accepts a command line argument to fake times for players w/o a real time clock.
23:24:10	Soap	the readme in logscrobbler lays this out clearly.
23:24:12	PorcupineTree	where do I get that perl script?
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23:24:23	Soap	what are you calling logscrobbler?
23:24:41	Soap	Is that not the name of the perl script to submit the lastfm log as created by rockbox?
23:24:42	PaulPosition	Yeah ,irc is great when someone already knows the answer, but you won't find many people willing to go and read in your place...
23:24:44	PorcupineTree	logscrobbler ...
23:24:48	PorcupineTree	0.12b
23:24:55	Soap	the pearl script.
23:24:59	Soap	a readme came with it.
23:25:01	PorcupineTree	minor tool for uploading to last.fm..
23:25:12	Soap	we are talking about the same thing.
23:25:21	Soap	you should read the instructions which came with it.
23:25:38	LinusN	no, i don't think you are talking about the same thing
23:26:02	PaulPosition	Soap −− http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=47554
23:26:13	LinusN	there is a winxp tool called logscrobbler
23:26:17	Soap	ahh, logscrobbler is the .NET windows client.
23:26:27	PorcupineTree	:)
23:26:28	PorcupineTree	?
23:26:28	PorcupineTree	:)
23:26:29	Soap	either it will fake times or it won't.
23:26:46	Soap	All its commands are checkboxes on the manin (only) screen.
23:26:56	PorcupineTree	ill try to use that only option that is unknown "shift after last played"
23:27:00	LinusN	http://code.google.com/p/logscrobbler/
23:27:03	Soap	check the "adjust playback time" box.
23:27:03	PorcupineTree	ill try it right now..
23:27:07	PaulPosition	Okay dude..
23:27:35	PorcupineTree	[23:26] <Soap> check the "adjust playback time" box. - i dont see that kind of box..
23:27:36	Soap	Sorry I got them confused, I use both.
23:28:07	PorcupineTree	what is the other thingy ?
23:28:10	Soap	I don't have the client on this machine, do you have your username, password entered and a .log file loaded?
23:28:12	PorcupineTree	if this fails..
23:28:30	PorcupineTree	[23:28] <Soap> I don't have the client on this machine, do you have your username, password entered and a .log file loaded? - I do...
23:29:00	Soap	and at the bottom there isn't a "adjust playback time since last sumbission" or "fake playback time" box?
23:29:17	JdGordon	has anyone checked out the patch i put on the dev ml for the settings recode?
23:29:27	PaulPosition	porcupinetree - Might try the newest version too, 0.14 instead of 0.12
23:30:03	PorcupineTree	[23:28] <Soap> and at the bottom there isn't a "adjust playback time since last sumbission" or "fake playback time" box? - no ... at the bottom is "shift after last played"
23:30:17	Soap	that's the one.
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23:31:22	obo	I think support for non-RTC players was only added in 0.14 ....
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23:33:13	PorcupineTree	bah
23:33:22	PorcupineTree	it seems it doesnt work ..
23:33:35	PorcupineTree	it doesnt shift anything :)
23:33:39	PaulPosition	porcupine - What kind of error does it give you?
23:33:58	PaulPosition	If you log on (web) to last.fm, does it tell you something?
23:34:03	PorcupineTree	Some tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
23:34:03	PorcupineTree	Submissions from before the date you registered are not allowed.
23:34:16	PorcupineTree	it tells that
23:34:20	PorcupineTree	:)
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23:34:39	obo	yeah, I'd guess 1st Jan 1970 might be before you signed up ;)
23:34:49	PaulPosition	I'd try 0.14...
23:34:57	PaulPosition	but that's me.
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23:35:40	PorcupineTree	ok ill try it
23:35:43	PorcupineTree	real-time
23:35:43	PaulPosition	owww wait.
23:35:48	PorcupineTree	hm?
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23:35:57	OPP	hello
23:36:07	PaulPosition	try something... Did, or could, you open the select box and check all songs before timeshifting them?
23:36:10	OPP	i saw a tool on your site before that will convert itunes db to tagcache
23:36:13	OPP	where can i find that again
23:36:17	PaulPosition	Maybe that's the trick...? can't say for sure.
23:36:27	obo	PaulPosition: nope, needs 0.14
23:36:42	OPP	nvm i found it!!
23:36:44	PaulPosition	Ah ok... Thee shall trust Obo.
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23:37:35	PaulPosition	I was going by "x fixed bug - if items are unchecked do not include them in the time shift."
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23:40:13	PorcupineTree	yep
23:40:17	PorcupineTree	0.14 works
23:40:21	PorcupineTree	thanks guys
23:40:24	PaulPosition	cool :)
23:40:25	PorcupineTree	:)
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23:41:16	PorcupineTree	fix zero time stamps is working
23:41:27	PaulPosition	Porcupinetree - don't forget to upload 'em often...
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23:41:42	PorcupineTree	:)
23:41:51	PaulPosition	If you play itunes or winamp before you upload, lastfm won't take your log.. :o
23:42:53	Psyke`	hi there
23:42:57	Psyke`	ive got a little problem. :x
23:43:54	Psyke`	just tried to install rockbox. messed something up, and now i get this error: -1 message. that wouldnt be that much a problem, if i could reconnect my ipod to my comp. and when it tries to load the original firmware, it screws it up too. just restarts over and over again
23:44:31	obo	hold select and play as it reboots - that will put it into emergency disk mode
23:44:49	obo	error -1 means it can't find the rockbox.ipod file - have you unzipped a build to your ipod?
23:45:11	Psyke`	no, i just realised when i unplugged it.. :\
23:45:24	PorcupineTree	[23:41] <PaulPosition> If you play itunes or winamp before you upload, lastfm won't take your log.. :o - there is a checkbox "ignore time stamps" , so it will upload them as if you played it last! :D
23:45:25	Psyke`	and select and play doesnt work. only menu and select, but thats just a restart
23:45:49	obo	try select+play again -t it does work, but needs to be done as it reboots
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23:48:24	PaulPosition	Porcupine - Yeah, I think it's a 'permanent' setting too, so you don't have to press extra buttons every time.. No, what I meant, and that's true whatever way you use to upload logs, is that if you listened to you ipod for three days, then listened (and thus scrobbled 'live') to media player, it won't be able to fit your three days of log when you get to submit it. Or at least I think that's how iscrobbler/last.fm always
23:48:55	Soap	PorcupineTree: have you ever submitted tracks to Last.FM before?
23:49:20	PorcupineTree	from my computer sure..
23:49:37	Soap	and you checked the box to timeshift?
23:49:56	Soap	and last.fm still threw up the anti-spam warning?
23:50:09	PaulPosition	No it didn't...
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23:50:19	PorcupineTree	no it didn't ..
23:50:21	PorcupineTree	:)
23:50:28	PorcupineTree	what timeshift there?
23:50:29	Soap	did the windows app say anything?
23:50:30	PaulPosition	I was warning about trying to not trigger the spam warning now that he's gonna scrobble a lot.
23:50:37	PaulPosition	;)
23:50:43	PorcupineTree	i said from my regular last.fm plug-in
23:50:50	PorcupineTree	there's no problems there..
23:51:00	PorcupineTree	www.last.fm/user/milosjor
23:51:02	PorcupineTree	:)
23:51:02	Soap	I often submit hundreds of tracks at a time w/o problems.
23:51:39	Soap	how recently have you played tracks on the Last.FM player>
23:52:20	PorcupineTree	not recently..
23:52:23	Soap	For to successfully time-shift you need a window of time since last submitted track for the Windows/Rockbox program to use to fake playback times.
23:52:40	Soap	your last.fm page is showing tracks played minutes ago.
23:52:41	PorcupineTree	yeah ..understood that..
23:52:45	PorcupineTree	yeah!
23:52:47	PorcupineTree	i know ..
23:52:56	PorcupineTree	i checked "ingore time stamps"
23:53:03	PaulPosition	Soap - If I come home and start listening to music before I plug in my H10 and upload my log, I usually not get my log accepted.. Even though they're timestamped and don't collide with other songs, last.fm will just reject 'em.
23:53:23	PaulPosition	right?
23:53:25	PorcupineTree	and does it really matter?
23:53:34	PaulPosition	well, nope.
23:53:42	PorcupineTree	the point is that you get your tracks scrobbled if you like..
23:53:56	PorcupineTree	exact time is not that important..
23:53:58	PorcupineTree	:)
23:54:22		Quit Psyke` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
23:55:08	PorcupineTree	ok ..gotta study gotta study
23:55:10	PorcupineTree	see you guys
23:55:12	PorcupineTree	thanks
23:55:14	PorcupineTree	bye
23:55:29		Quit PorcupineTree ("Sto si bre tolka pichka? - Zato sto sam crnac")
23:57:51	amiconn	meh.
23:58:00	Soap	PaulPosition: collisions isn't the problem there
23:58:01	amiconn	unions are quite involved :/
23:58:21	Soap	you can't submit a track with a timestamp earlier than an already submitted track.
23:58:42	*	amiconn fiddles with a union of a struct and an uint32_t, and a pointer to such union
23:58:44	Soap	that's why they are rejected.

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