| 00:00:11 | t0dk0n | in the file, I have the bootpartition.bin that was touched, then the back up, which wasn't touched |
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| 00:00:32 | t0dk0n | so, does it matter if I just remove the original one i extracted so I don't confuse myself? |
| 00:00:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | The one in the folder shouldn't actually be touched (compare its filesize to the backed up one) really |
| 00:00:43 | t0dk0n | ahhh |
| 00:00:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | But you can remove it and just use a copy of the backup |
| 00:00:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | We don't modify the file itself |
| 00:00:54 | t0dk0n | alright, thanks |
| 00:01:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | But often people re-run the first dd step, and create a new, modified one that then ruins everything |
| 00:01:19 | t0dk0n | haha |
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| 00:05:04 | spug | rwps is LCD remote wps? |
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| 00:05:35 | spug | XavierGr: i know, i was just kidding |
| 00:05:54 | Genre9mp3 | spug: yes |
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| 00:06:39 | spug | okay |
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| 00:07:43 | t0dk0n | Paul_the_nerd: When I merge the rockbox bootloader with the apple firmware, should I remove the bootloader-video.bin that I used when I first attempted? |
| 00:08:07 | t0dk0n | before I do the merge, of course |
| 00:08:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | t0dk0n: No, that file should e fine |
| 00:08:26 | t0dk0n | alright |
| 00:09:00 | t0dk0n | "Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video" |
| 00:09:08 | t0dk0n | I take that as good news so far haha |
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| 00:14:31 | t0dk0n | Yay!!! It worked ^_^ |
| 00:14:37 | t0dk0n | Thanks so much Paul_The_Nerd |
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| 00:16:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | No problem |
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| 00:16:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's not like I did much. "Oh, you did it wrong, do it again" isn't the most helpful information. :) |
| 00:16:49 | t0dk0n | haha, but it still did the trick :P |
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| 00:22:06 | t0dk0n | so, when I just plug in my ipod to my computer, does it charge? |
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| 00:23:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | It should, yes. |
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| 00:23:37 | t0dk0n | cool |
| 00:23:51 | Kr4t05 | Has anyone successfully compiled/installed RockBox for the Sandisk Sansa m200 Series? |
| 00:24:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | There is no Rockbox for m200 |
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| 00:26:02 | Kohlrabi | That would be a "no" ;) |
| 00:26:17 | Kr4t05 | I figured. |
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| 00:34:30 | t0dk0n | Wow, this is so nice |
| 00:34:43 | t0dk0n | Now to put sie music on! |
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| 00:35:26 | spug | :) |
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| 00:36:07 | Terinjokes | hey, i got a last_fm log on my ipod from today & yesterdays usage, how do I upload the log? |
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| 00:38:47 | spug | Terinjokes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
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| 00:40:17 | Terinjokes | i didn't see those their 3 days ago, sorry, thanks spug! and i've joined the rockbox users group on last.fm! |
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| 00:42:37 | Soap | Tis a good thing |
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| 00:44:47 | spug | Terinjokes: oh mkan, i should join that group |
| 00:44:56 | spug | also, oh man |
| 00:45:47 | Terinjokes | http://www.last.fm/group/Rockbox+Users |
| 00:46:02 | spug | thanks |
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| 00:50:46 | Terinjokes | off-topic, but being a pandora user, i'm used to thumbs up and down, how am i supposed to rate the song i like, so i hear more like it? |
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| 00:56:05 | spug | Terinjokes: that's not how last.fm works. it recommends you music that is similar to the music you listen to. |
| 00:56:16 | rasher | Actually no |
| 00:56:28 | rasher | It recommends music that other people with your music taste listens to |
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| 00:56:36 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 00:56:42 | rasher | It doesn't necessarily mean that it's similar |
| 00:56:49 | rasher | Just "related" |
| 00:56:56 | rasher | Through listender-connection |
| 00:56:58 | spug | :) |
| 00:57:00 | spug | yeah |
| 00:57:01 | t0dk0n | I get pissed off sometimes with that, cause when I wanna listen to something I don't listen to that much, its full fledged randomness and sometimes crap |
| 00:57:15 | t0dk0n | like happy hardcore |
| 00:57:23 | t0dk0n | it plays pop and eurotrance stuff instead |
| 00:57:33 | Terinjokes | rasher, how does it know what i listen to? whats the 'love' button used for then? |
| 00:58:19 | rasher | Terinjokes: It records what you listen to (assuming you're using a logger and submit your listens) and remembers that |
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| 00:58:39 | rasher | I think the "love" button is a sortof "remember this song" button |
| 00:58:41 | spug | "love" tags the track as a track you love, so you can listen to radio with just loved tracks |
| 00:58:57 | rasher | Ah.. I haven't used the lastfm player much |
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| 00:59:46 | Terinjokes | yes, i use rockbox ;-) (thanks developers for adding headphone awareness on the ipod, BTW), and it logs from iTunes, and i guess thats what 'scrobbing' in the player is for |
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| 01:00:07 | rasher | Exactly |
| 01:00:27 | rasher | It's quite different a different approach compared to Pandora |
| 01:00:59 | rasher | It might be different, but not enough to warrant writing it twice... |
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| 01:02:11 | Terinjokes | i found a site on the interweb that is pandora, but if you thumbs up the song, it scrobs that to last.fm (and ditto I guess for thumbs down, except as a 'ban') |
| 01:02:52 | Terinjokes | But since i use pandora through an application on my computer, that doesn't help very much :( |
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| 01:03:33 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'm currently trying out Bubbles to find out more about your button action commit... noticed two major problems so far: the controls on Ondio don't work correctly (except left/right and off) and the timeout doesn't work correctly (seems to be valid for all targets) |
| 01:03:56 | JdGordon | how so? |
| 01:05:01 | pixelma | the bubbles doesn't get fired automatically and the "hurrry" message stays as long as I'm pressing some button (the only possibility to "fire" a bubble on Ondio |
| 01:05:14 | pixelma | until |
| 01:05:36 | Terinjokes | new york is UTC-5 right (i always get confused!) |
| 01:05:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: I could wait forever if I want to |
| 01:06:12 | JdGordon | hmm ok |
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| 01:06:43 | spug | Terinjokes: wikipedia says -4/-5 |
| 01:06:50 | JdGordon | the fire button doesnt work? |
| 01:06:52 | spug | whatever that means |
| 01:06:59 | spug | maybe DST |
| 01:07:04 | spug | i'm happy my country is narrow enough to only span one time zone :D |
| 01:07:41 | t0dk0n | whats this "battery capacity" option? |
| 01:07:57 | JdGordon | pixelma: oh, I see the rpoblem... umm.. |
| 01:08:08 | markun | t0dk0n: only for the runtime estimation |
| 01:08:19 | pixelma | on Ondio "up" and "down" seem to have now effect at all - neither in the menu nor in the game itself |
| 01:08:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | t0dk0n: It's used so that the player can estimate how much time you have left. It doesn't affect the percentage or anything else, just the hours/minutes display. |
| 01:08:47 | t0dk0n | ooooh alright, thanks |
| 01:08:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | An estimate that is, on many players, totally incorrect anyway. |
| 01:09:09 | t0dk0n | I was hoping it would be something to savor the battery power :P |
| 01:09:32 | markun | :) |
| 01:09:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: what about the metronome plugin? |
| 01:09:38 | pixelma | JdGordon: (cvs update from 4 hours ago) |
| 01:09:44 | pixelma | haven't tried yet |
| 01:10:15 | JdGordon | I think ill revert the bubbles... I guess it shouldnt have been commited so early.. (im gonna get shot for this :p) |
| 01:10:19 | Terinjokes | see i got a small little problem, "Weird Al" Yankovic gets submitted as \"Wierd Al\" Yankovic... |
| 01:12:24 | t0dk0n | speaking of bubbles, I can't exit it |
| 01:12:24 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 01:12:44 | JdGordon | 404, funny not found! |
| 01:13:10 | t0dk0n | eh :P, bugs humor me |
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| 01:13:27 | t0dk0n | I exited it though |
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| 01:15:40 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, I see the problem.. ill either back out the change before the end of the day, or commit a new version.. best to have working games for the weekend |
| 01:16:24 | JdGordon | what needs to be done is similar to what is at the top of metronome.c |
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| 01:19:10 | Soap | Terinjokes - are you refering to Last.FM? |
| 01:20:45 | Soap | For the name a submitted artist (and sometimes tracks) is shown under is a matter of Last.FM's attempts to account for improper tagging by allowing the community to moderate a standard set of Artist/Albums/Tracks, and is in no way a reflection of what the pluggin actually recorder, or what was actually submitted. |
| 01:21:28 | Soap | s/recorder/records |
| 01:21:41 | Soap | oh, I failed to see he had left. |
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| 01:24:14 | flo | Hello! |
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| 01:24:57 | flo | Anyone's around? Had a question on flashing bootbox... |
| 01:26:12 | flo | noone... anyways, will ask at the forum |
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| 01:26:48 | JdGordon | 3 minutes... pathitc.. the record is 2 |
| 01:26:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | The record is actually 1:05 |
| 01:27:07 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 01:27:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | At least, under my observation. :) |
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| 01:27:56 | pixelma | JdGordon: metronome on Ondio) I cannot adjust the tempo with left/right (the rest like tapping and off seems to work) |
| 01:28:19 | pixelma | volume up/down is ok too |
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| 01:29:18 | JdGordon | ok, thats an easy fix.. |
| 01:29:49 | pixelma | ah "pause" is wrong too |
| 01:30:21 | JdGordon | hold menu |
| 01:30:30 | pixelma | while holding mode it says "paused" appears but it starts again as soon as I release the button |
| 01:31:16 | pixelma | well it actually pauses |
| 01:31:24 | pixelma | (doesn't say so) |
| 01:31:42 | JdGordon | does it unpause when its released? |
| 01:31:46 | flo | Hello pixelma, JdGordon |
| 01:31:51 | pixelma | yes |
| 01:32:01 | flo | sorry to jump in, but thought I could ask a question |
| 01:32:04 | pixelma | (at JdGordon) |
| 01:32:13 | JdGordon | just ask.. |
| 01:32:24 | flo | Thx. Trying to flash bootbox, |
| 01:32:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, i tihnk i can fix this.. can you test a build? |
| 01:32:44 | pixelma | yes I can |
| 01:33:06 | JdGordon | can i send you the .c or you need the actual .rock? |
| 01:33:12 | flo | after running the flash plugin, F1, it checks then I'm out −− looks like the check fails |
| 01:33:50 | flo | I have latest daily build, and bootbox from wiki page (looks a bit old). |
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| 01:34:00 | pixelma | JdGordon: you can send me the .c |
| 01:34:08 | flo | Anything I might be doing wrong ? |
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| 01:34:58 | pixelma | flo: what player do you have? |
| 01:35:09 | flo | FM recorder |
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| 01:36:08 | JdGordon | pixelma: that should fix both problems you mentioned.. hopefully... |
| 01:36:09 | flo | Booting from RAM (F1-boot to Archos, which loads Roxbox from disk) |
| 01:36:27 | pixelma | which Archos? |
| 01:37:19 | flo | Hmm... Archos's original ROM, not sure what version. |
| 01:37:42 | pixelma | there are two Archos devices which cannot run bootbox at the moment because it's grown to big |
| 01:38:08 | flo | I had flashed my FM recorder some years ago, with Archos at the first ROM position, Rockbox at second position. |
| 01:38:24 | pixelma | Archos FM-Recorder and Recorder V2 |
| 01:38:56 | flo | Ah. I see. |
| 01:38:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I thought it wouldn't work with Recorder V1 either. |
| 01:40:21 | flo | I thought RomBox was too big, and BootBox was to be flashed first, to leave place for RomBox. Guess I understood it wrong. |
| 01:41:05 | pixelma | Paul_the_Nerd: V1 should be fine - it doesn't have a radio so one saves code there (maybe other differences too that I don't know of) |
| 01:41:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | pixelma: Sorry, I was thinking Rombox. |
| 01:42:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or is that now fitting again? |
| 01:43:25 | pixelma | I think it did all the time (maybe I shouldn't speak about something I don't really know) |
| 01:44:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | I know that last time I tried to download it, the .zip didn't include rombox.ucl |
| 01:44:10 | pixelma | (but only the columns in the build table for V2 and FM-Recorder are red all the time |
| 01:44:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, rombox.ucl is not included with the V1 recorder build right now |
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| 01:46:02 | pixelma | sorry... maybe I was wrong on that one |
| 01:47:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | pixelma: Well, rombox seems to be being built for v1... |
| 01:47:24 | JdGordon | pixelma: howd that fix go? |
| 01:47:54 | pixelma | just put it on my player (was a bit distracted) - let's see |
| 01:48:59 | pixelma | yeah.. fixed :) |
| 01:49:04 | JdGordon | great |
| 01:50:47 | JdGordon | in cvs.. ill fix bubbles later todya |
| 01:50:56 | flo | Well... I tried to flash rockbox.ucl, looks like it worked. Just rebooted the player, and it's using the correct version |
| 01:51:28 | flo | I'm not sure I understand everything with flashing... but it's OK. |
| 01:51:59 | pixelma | rockbox.ucl should be fine - only rombox.ucl isn't working (as far as I understand) |
| 01:52:14 | flo | I should have original Archos' software at the first ROM position, and now the latest rockbox at second position. |
| 01:52:30 | flo | OK. Did't get the difference between the two. |
| 01:52:35 | flo | Thank you! |
| 01:53:18 | pixelma | glad I could help with my "half"-knowledge |
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| 02:17:30 | pixelma | Paul_the_Nerd: for the stats... I meant rombox in first place (not bootbox) |
| 02:21:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 02:21:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm not sure why rombox is showing a green build on the CVS table |
| 02:21:57 | pixelma | so this leaves a big questionmark about the bootbox thing ... I'm really sorry |
| 02:22:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | It very definitely doesn't build here, and it's not included in the official archive. |
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| 02:23:13 | pixelma | ok I should just shut up then... need some sleep anyways... |
| 02:23:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | :( |
| 02:23:34 | t0dk0n | I got some error >_< |
| 02:23:46 | t0dk0n | "Data abort at 00030E30" |
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| 02:26:13 | t0dk0n | how do I restart rockbox? |
| 02:26:36 | t0dk0n | on ipod vide |
| 02:26:37 | t0dk0n | o |
| 02:26:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | t0dk0n: On an iPod, just hold Menu+Select to force a reboot, if it's frozen at a data abort screen |
| 02:27:02 | t0dk0n | hehe thanks |
| 02:27:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | t0dk0n: What version number of Rockbox are you running (or how old is your download, and is it a daily or CVS?) |
| 02:27:39 | t0dk0n | daily, downloaded today |
| 02:28:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Try updating to a newer build |
| 02:29:04 | t0dk0n | newer, eh? |
| 02:29:19 | t0dk0n | isn't the daily build pretty new? |
| 02:29:29 | t0dk0n | 20061116 |
| 02:29:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | "pretty new" is not the same as "newest" |
| 02:29:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Dailies are made once a day |
| 02:30:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | So you can be missing out on as much as 23:59:59 worth of fixes. :-P |
| 02:30:08 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 02:30:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | And assuming your bug is what I think it is, it's fixed |
| 02:30:23 | t0dk0n | what do you think it is? |
| 02:30:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | A glitch in the ApeV2 tag skipping, if I understand. |
| 02:30:44 | t0dk0n | ahhh |
| 02:30:45 | t0dk0n | maybe |
| 02:30:47 | t0dk0n | hehe |
| 02:30:57 | t0dk0n | sooo, to get the newest one, I should download from CVS? |
| 02:32:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | From the CVS builds page, yes |
| 02:33:21 | t0dk0n | oooh, thats nifty, don't actually has to use CVS |
| 02:33:24 | t0dk0n | have* |
| 02:36:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | t0dk0n: Anyway, the memory address is *near* the ones discussed here, so I'm taking a guess that it's the same problem: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7371.0 |
| 02:37:50 | t0dk0n | oooh haha |
| 02:37:57 | t0dk0n | I was just messing around with something |
| 02:38:05 | t0dk0n | but it could be that |
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| 02:58:48 | t0dk0n | hmmm, file transfer is being slothingly slow! |
| 02:58:50 | t0dk0n | lol |
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| 03:22:24 | Soap | t0dk0n: if you are transfering very large amounts of songs it probably makes sense to reboot your iPod into Apple's firmware, then plug in your USB cable. |
| 03:23:02 | Soap | Apple's standard disk mode is considerably faster than Apple's emergency disk mode which Rockbox uses. |
| 03:26:29 | t0dk0n | ooooh, lol thanks :P |
| 03:26:45 | t0dk0n | wait, so how would I go about doing that? |
| 03:27:01 | t0dk0n | just reboot, then do the normal disc mode thing? |
| 03:27:11 | Chrille1 | anybody have successfully got yahoo working in mac? |
| 03:27:14 | Soap | reboot while holding down menu |
| 03:27:28 | t0dk0n | alright |
| 03:27:30 | t0dk0n | thanks |
| 03:27:36 | Soap | then plug in your USB cable, and the Apple OS will switch to normal disk mode. |
| 03:27:47 | Chrille1 | anybody have successfully got yahoo working in mac? |
| 03:28:00 | Soap | Chrille1: do you know what channel this is? |
| 03:28:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Chrille1: What does that have to do with Rockbox at all? |
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| 03:33:21 | t0dk0n | lmao |
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| 03:34:06 | t0dk0n | chrille1: get gaim |
| 03:34:25 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n are you using yahoo now |
| 03:34:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Please, take that to PMs |
| 03:34:38 | t0dk0n | no, butI have used it |
| 03:34:43 | t0dk0n | lol sorry |
| 03:36:03 | t0dk0n | soap: hmm, its still going slow |
| 03:36:38 | t0dk0n | when I run root, sometimes transfer rates speed up |
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| 03:55:44 | t0dk0n | 0_o... moving the music off the ipod is faster then putting it on |
| 03:56:00 | t0dk0n | I think its something wrong with my computer |
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| 04:05:21 | scorche | i wouldnt say that...read speed is often faster than write speed on most devices |
| 04:06:25 | JdGordon | pretty much everything is faster read than write |
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| 04:09:06 | JdGordon | does anyone have an ondio? |
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| 04:15:26 | t0dk0n | ondio? |
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| 04:16:01 | t0dk0n | ahhh |
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| 04:25:32 | lilkid | hi, does anyone know if it's possible to have ipod software, ipodlinux and rockbox installed on one 5G ipod? |
| 04:25:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | I know. |
| 04:26:40 | lilkid | Paul_the_nerd: care to share what you know? |
| 04:26:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 04:26:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, it's possible |
| 04:26:47 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 04:26:50 | lilkid | lol |
| 04:26:55 | lilkid | Ok thanks |
| 04:27:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Both our bootloader and the iPodLinux one are capable of loading all three |
| 04:28:03 | lilkid | Ah ok, is there any advanced editing of any boot files - which i would probably mess up? or is it fairly straightforward? |
| 04:28:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, the honest easiest solution is to use the iPodLinux installer and use their loader 2.4 |
| 04:31:45 | lilkid | One more question before i go forth and try to install them, is there any order in which i should install them? |
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| 05:13:13 | t0dk0n | awww, too bad I can't really tone that |
| 05:13:23 | t0dk0n | it just looks weird and completely off topic |
| 05:15:51 | devnulljp | folks, i just put rockbox on my H10 20GB and playback stops every 19 seconds, pauses fro 1 sec, then keeps going (for 19 secs) |
| 05:16:05 | devnulljp | anyone else seen that? driving me crazy |
| 05:16:50 | t0dk0n | haha that sounds hella annoying |
| 05:16:51 | devnulljp | tried setting the anti-skip buffer to everything from 5 s to 10 min, but it makes no difference |
| 05:17:06 | devnulljp | it's a good size for throwing across the room too |
| 05:17:24 | devnulljp | works fine with the iriver firmware, just rockbox |
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| 05:17:32 | t0dk0n | maybe that would fix it >:O |
| 05:17:35 | t0dk0n | >:)* |
| 05:17:45 | devnulljp | you're thinking of the rio karma ;-) |
| 05:17:57 | t0dk0n | hahaha |
| 05:18:00 | devnulljp | had to smack that thing pretty hard sometimes |
| 05:18:12 | t0dk0n | damn haha |
| 05:18:24 | t0dk0n | ipods are alright once you put something open source on them =D |
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| 05:18:47 | devnulljp | so everyone else's rockbox works fine? |
| 05:19:05 | t0dk0n | on my ipod, it does, yes |
| 05:19:18 | t0dk0n | but I wouldn't know, because I haven't installed it on my imaginary h10 yet ;P |
| 05:19:26 | devnulljp | getting tired of listening to music.....pause.....then it keeps going for a ....pause.....while but stops again....pause |
| 05:19:44 | t0dk0n | you should report it in the bugs section |
| 05:19:45 | devnulljp | does it work on a 2nd gen ipod nano? |
| 05:19:56 | t0dk0n | it'd get fix in no time |
| 05:20:04 | t0dk0n | hmm, I don't think it does |
| 05:20:04 | devnulljp | ok willdo |
| 05:20:18 | t0dk0n | 2nd gen as in the latest ipod nanos? |
| 05:22:09 | devnulljp | yes. i thought only 1st gen nanos work w/ rockbox |
| 05:22:19 | devnulljp | can you play oggs on ipds w/ rockbox? |
| 05:22:47 | t0dk0n | yeah, ogg works |
| 05:23:04 | t0dk0n | but I read somewhere that it takes more battery power then mp3 |
| 05:23:19 | t0dk0n | yeah, 2nd gens don't work quite yet :P |
| 05:23:33 | t0dk0n | I just installed rockbox on my ipod not even 8 hours ago for the first time |
| 05:23:38 | t0dk0n | but I read a lot on the site ^_^ |
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| 05:25:44 | lilkid | i just installed rockbox on my 5G ipod, how can i choose to boot into the ipod software instead? |
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| 05:36:42 | t0dk0n | lilkid: hmm, I can't even figure that out |
| 05:36:44 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 05:36:54 | t0dk0n | I found almost everything except that out |
| 05:38:50 | t0dk0n | Is it possible to play Hexen/Hexen 2 on ipod with DOOM!? =D |
| 05:41:31 | lilkid | lol, i want to watch my videos =[ and i cant even boot into ipod software to do that |
| 05:41:49 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 05:41:59 | t0dk0n | eh, I never cared for that video feature on ipods |
| 05:42:03 | t0dk0n | I just needed it for music |
| 05:42:08 | t0dk0n | and now to play DOOM |
| 05:42:09 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 05:42:26 | t0dk0n | so, thats why I installed rockbox, instead of ipodlinux |
| 05:44:10 | lilkid | ah lol, i was going to install ipodlinux but.. it said it would format my ipod -.- and the last time i updated it it took 2 hours |
| 05:44:56 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 05:45:10 | t0dk0n | I wish I hadn't removed all my music before installing rockbox :( |
| 05:45:10 | t0dk0n | oh well |
| 05:45:24 | t0dk0n | removed from ipod, onto computer |
| 05:49:25 | lilkid | ahh. have you figured out themes yet? |
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| 05:49:30 | t0dk0n | Yeah |
| 05:49:39 | t0dk0n | its straight forward really |
| 05:49:48 | t0dk0n | you just download the theme, unzip/unrar/untar it |
| 05:50:13 | t0dk0n | then it tells you which folders to put the themes in */ipod/.rockbox/ |
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| 05:50:39 | PaulPosition | lilkid - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
| 05:52:39 | lilkid | t0dk0n,PaulPosition: thanks =]] . |
| 05:52:57 | t0dk0n | oooh thanks paulposition |
| 05:53:03 | t0dk0n | and no problem illkid |
| 05:53:04 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 05:53:19 | PaulPosition | don't forget to read, just below, how to get back in rockbox firmware.. ;) |
| 05:53:32 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 05:53:45 | PaulPosition | bookmarking the page would be usefull for the next few days of exploring rockbox. |
| 05:54:43 | t0dk0n | unless you're pretentious enough to claim you have a photographic memory O:-) |
| 05:54:46 | * | t0dk0n bookmarks |
| 05:56:21 | lilkid | haha, i have 10MP eyes =D |
| 05:56:53 | t0dk0n | How long does tagcache take to "get ready"? :'( |
| 05:57:04 | Chrille1 | what is better? ipod or zune |
| 05:57:08 | t0dk0n | ipod |
| 05:57:16 | t0dk0n | Zune = microsoft = eviler company |
| 05:57:37 | t0dk0n | although, apple is pretty evil too |
| 05:57:38 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n lol, that's terrible reason |
| 05:57:54 | t0dk0n | well, rockbox isn't made for Zune quite yet, is it? :P |
| 05:58:02 | t0dk0n | thats a good reason =D |
| 05:58:41 | Chrille1 | and why you calling them evil? |
| 05:59:39 | t0dk0n | too much for me to explain... but this site shows a lot of reasons: http://www.kmfms.com/ |
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| 06:00:14 | Chrille1 | no you answer since you started it |
| 06:00:25 | t0dk0n | basically, microsoft keeps releasing this shitty "operating system", and instead of fixing old bugs, they add new features with more bugs |
| 06:00:35 | t0dk0n | they purposely put more and more bugs in their software |
| 06:00:46 | Chrille1 | what bug? |
| 06:00:57 | Chrille1 | all software has bugs |
| 06:01:04 | t0dk0n | each time a new version of Windows comes out, you have to pay for it! |
| 06:01:09 | t0dk0n | when its a bundle of bugs!! |
| 06:01:11 | t0dk0n | of course |
| 06:01:15 | lilkid | hmm anyon read about that thing on rockbox where it delays one headphone slightly to make songs sound more 'real'? ive forgotten what its called =/ |
| 06:01:22 | Chrille1 | each time new version of macos come out, you have to pay for it too |
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| 06:01:25 | t0dk0n | but windows is by far the worst coded "software" in existence |
| 06:01:35 | t0dk0n | yeah, thats why apple is evil too :P |
| 06:01:40 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n that is bs |
| 06:01:47 | t0dk0n | not really |
| 06:01:59 | t0dk0n | why do you still get viruses on windows? |
| 06:02:07 | t0dk0n | THATS THE ONLY OPERATING SYSTEM WITH VIRUSES |
| 06:02:19 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n that is not true |
| 06:02:33 | t0dk0n | then you have to buy these anti virus softwares (which too, are owned by microsoft, under pseudo company names) |
| 06:02:39 | Chrille1 | first ever virus existence was not windows virus |
| 06:02:46 | t0dk0n | true |
| 06:02:51 | t0dk0n | but I meant modern operating system |
| 06:02:51 | t0dk0n | :P |
| 06:03:01 | t0dk0n | as in linux, bsd, windows, mac os |
| 06:03:05 | t0dk0n | and other unixes |
| 06:03:12 | lilkid | even if windows is the worst coded software, and it gets viruses, that goes to show the most of the worlds computer users use it,hence bill gates being a billionaire |
| 06:03:13 | t0dk0n | major/modern |
| 06:03:21 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:03:29 | t0dk0n | thats the whole reason windows is around |
| 06:03:33 | t0dk0n | so bill gates can get more money |
| 06:03:43 | t0dk0n | he's an asshole |
| 06:04:03 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n i bet you woudn't think that if you were in his possition |
| 06:04:05 | t0dk0n | See, windows is also closed source |
| 06:04:13 | PaulPosition | The thing is, if tomorrow the windows user base changed to owning macintoshes, then the virii-kids would start targeting macOS and in a few months you'd have a similar situation. |
| 06:04:18 | t0dk0n | so you can't even work in a community environement and legally recode |
| 06:04:41 | t0dk0n | actually, I would.. because I'm not a cheap asshole to begin with... plus I don't need much money to survive :P |
| 06:04:45 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n so you never watched dvd? |
| 06:05:03 | t0dk0n | whats dvd have anything to do with why microsoft is a evil company? |
| 06:05:16 | Chrille1 | because you mentioned closed source |
| 06:05:28 | PaulPosition | lilkid - that feature you were looking for is called CrossFeed. |
| 06:05:35 | t0dk0n | I barely watch movies ^_^ |
| 06:05:47 | t0dk0n | and when I do, its only like once, and 2 hours tops of my life |
| 06:05:47 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n but you have used it before |
| 06:05:50 | t0dk0n | so its not going to kill me |
| 06:05:54 | t0dk0n | like using windows for ever! |
| 06:06:04 | t0dk0n | of course, I never said I don't use closed source |
| 06:06:20 | t0dk0n | I have an ipod, which used to run closed source propriety firmware |
| 06:06:26 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n exactly |
| 06:06:52 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n i know your type; you want everything to be free and open and be hippy like |
| 06:07:06 | t0dk0n | hmmm, but this still doesn't debate why you don't think microsoft is an evil company |
| 06:07:06 | t0dk0n | :P |
| 06:07:13 | t0dk0n | naw, I hate hippies |
| 06:07:17 | PaulPosition | Hey so do I, Chrille.. |
| 06:07:21 | t0dk0n | I like violence and chaos |
| 06:07:44 | t0dk0n | I'd be bored without a debate like this over closed source ^_^ |
| 06:07:49 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n because they are not, neither is apple |
| 06:07:55 | t0dk0n | lmao |
| 06:07:56 | PaulPosition | Except I matured to realise I can't have it all hippy-like so best I could do is 'push' toward it and hope some strong wind will help me.. :p |
| 06:07:59 | t0dk0n | nice debate you got there |
| 06:08:05 | t0dk0n | "because they are not" |
| 06:08:15 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n sorry, let me explain better |
| 06:08:17 | t0dk0n | that cancels all sorts of proof |
| 06:08:46 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n you failed to get that they are company that is in business to make money |
| 06:08:51 | t0dk0n | paulposition: or we can just live our own lives and use open stuff ourselves, which too helps 'push' =D |
| 06:09:00 | Chrille1 | they are not free opensource group |
| 06:09:16 | t0dk0n | of course.. but you shouldn't be fucking asshole about it |
| 06:09:26 | t0dk0n | why can't they charge less, have cleaner code, etc? |
| 06:09:35 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n all software has bugs |
| 06:09:38 | t0dk0n | and Apple at least incorporates open source |
| 06:09:48 | t0dk0n | so I don't hate them all that much |
| 06:09:51 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n you do realize redhat is way more expensive than windows or macos |
| 06:09:59 | Chrille1 | but i bet you hate redhat less |
| 06:10:14 | t0dk0n | But I do hate how Steve Jobs acts like he makes everything Apple releases, when he's just the rich marketing head man |
| 06:10:26 | t0dk0n | never cared for redhat |
| 06:10:31 | Chrille1 | but i bet you hate redhat less |
| 06:10:34 | t0dk0n | I actually have a peave against them |
| 06:10:35 | Chrille1 | than ms and apple |
| 06:10:48 | t0dk0n | naw, I really just hate microsoft |
| 06:10:56 | t0dk0n | and although redhat costs money, they have Fedora |
| 06:11:05 | t0dk0n | and its all open source anyway |
| 06:11:15 | PaulPosition | t0dk0n - a rich marketing head man that used to build the apple in his garage with his pal steve wozniac between sessions of hacking various thing. ;) |
| 06:11:18 | t0dk0n | just costs m.. why the fuck does it cost money anyway? |
| 06:11:28 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n that's because apple failed to make decent kernel on their own |
| 06:11:35 | t0dk0n | lol true that |
| 06:11:53 | Chrille1 | at least ms is original |
| 06:11:58 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:11:59 | t0dk0n | no it isn't |
| 06:12:12 | PaulPosition | I hate apple's marketing direction (the lamp computer, oh my..uk!). |
| 06:12:18 | Chrille1 | lol, you are right, MS copied apple the GUI idea |
| 06:12:20 | t0dk0n | bill gates jacked code from a xerox operating system when he used to be a beta tester |
| 06:12:24 | t0dk0n | and applied it to ms |
| 06:12:30 | t0dk0n | and almost everything on windows |
| 06:12:34 | t0dk0n | was bought from other companies |
| 06:12:37 | t0dk0n | and applied :P |
| 06:12:38 | PaulPosition | While Apple only copied said gui idea from Xerox (or was it canon?) |
| 06:12:40 | t0dk0n | DOS was bought!@ |
| 06:12:56 | Chrille1 | you are right again, you got me |
| 06:13:01 | Chrille1 | forget i said that |
| 06:13:05 | Chrille1 | lol |
| 06:13:13 | t0dk0n | it was xerox haha |
| 06:13:40 | t0dk0n | so, microsoft isn't actually original :P |
| 06:14:04 | t0dk0n | now rockbox |
| 06:14:07 | Chrille1 | right, nobody is original |
| 06:14:11 | t0dk0n | thats original software right there |
| 06:14:13 | PaulPosition | dude, Bill gates didn't copy from xerox, Apple did. Bill Gates copied from apple by building the first few Microsoft Office versions on macOS before porting it to the newly created, freshly copied, windows. |
| 06:14:15 | Chrille1 | everybody copied from somebody else |
| 06:14:27 | t0dk0n | lol not everyone/ everything is sheepish |
| 06:14:33 | t0dk0n | thats just a generalization there |
| 06:14:43 | t0dk0n | ahhh, same shit |
| 06:14:43 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:14:49 | t0dk0n | it was copied eventually :P |
| 06:15:11 | Chrille1 | t0dk0n i have this feeling, nothing that ms or apple do will satisfy you |
| 06:15:19 | t0dk0n | exactly |
| 06:15:21 | t0dk0n | :P |
| 06:15:29 | t0dk0n | Well, the ipod satisfies me =D |
| 06:15:44 | Chrille1 | but is ipod better than zune |
| 06:15:59 | t0dk0n | oh yeah, thats why we got in this little debate |
| 06:16:02 | t0dk0n | I have no clue |
| 06:16:08 | t0dk0n | nothing is better then anything |
| 06:16:18 | t0dk0n | you just have to see which one offers the features you are looking for |
| 06:16:28 | t0dk0n | zune seems kinda cheap though |
| 06:16:34 | t0dk0n | I was playing with one the other day |
| 06:16:38 | Chrille1 | how much cheaper than ipod |
| 06:16:41 | t0dk0n | and thats just my unbiased opinion |
| 06:16:51 | t0dk0n | I didn't even know it was microsoft till I got home and looked it up |
| 06:17:01 | t0dk0n | cheaper as in the materials |
| 06:17:24 | t0dk0n | it felt frail |
| 06:17:29 | t0dk0n | and course |
| 06:17:54 | lilkid | :O:O:O ooooomg! i just installed a theme and my ipod looks amazing :D:D |
| 06:18:11 | t0dk0n | lol yeah, themes are pretty cool |
| 06:18:15 | t0dk0n | I'm thinking of making my own |
| 06:18:22 | t0dk0n | with my tag in the background =D |
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| 06:18:43 | lilkid | haha what are the themes made with? |
| 06:19:00 | Davide-NYC | Sim on H1x0 is broken |
| 06:19:07 | Davide-NYC | (for me at least) |
| 06:19:12 | Davide-NYC | is this known? |
| 06:20:10 | t0dk0n | themes are made with bmp images and a cfg file |
| 06:20:16 | t0dk0n | its pretty easy from the looks of it |
| 06:20:22 | t0dk0n | I just lost my graphics design touch |
| 06:21:39 | scorche | oh wow...i thought for a second that this wasnt rockbox, but another channel... |
| 06:22:11 | t0dk0n | hahaha |
| 06:22:14 | lilkid | ah yeah it does look pretty simple from the cfg file i just opened. i never had a graphics design touch =[ , which pisses me off because i "try" to design websites but im much better X1000 at php |
| 06:22:31 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:22:55 | t0dk0n | lilkid: you gotta just stop thinking you suck, and figure tools out, then just let your imagination take off from there |
| 06:23:14 | t0dk0n | the whole anti self esteem just kills it for you :P |
| 06:24:20 | t0dk0n | w00t! I unplugged my ipod without unmounting so much today, that its gotten to /dev/sdi2 =D |
| 06:25:45 | lilkid | lol yeah i try this, i hand write hand websites, but i can never quite get the knack of making a design that just looks good.. :P this is what all my friends say to me too lol. i mean, i just dont get ideas, even though im photoshop fluent ¬¬. lol really |
| 06:26:11 | t0dk0n | hehe |
| 06:26:35 | lilkid | oh yeah, do you know how to put a delay on one headphone on rockbox? i read about it earlier but now forgot |
| 06:26:36 | t0dk0n | I've had that problem so much |
| 06:26:50 | t0dk0n | I finally made one I'm satisfied with, but then I lost interest in even having a website once I got one |
| 06:27:12 | t0dk0n | hmm, nope, haven't gotten to that quite yet |
| 06:27:23 | lilkid | haha you sound like a mirror of me |
| 06:27:37 | t0dk0n | wanna see the design? |
| 06:27:38 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:27:51 | t0dk0n | I got so apathetic about a website, its not on freewebs |
| 06:27:51 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:27:55 | t0dk0n | now on* |
| 06:28:03 | lilkid | yeah lol go on |
| 06:28:31 | t0dk0n | http://www.freewebs.com/t0dk0n/ |
| 06:28:37 | t0dk0n | oops forgot to upload the other graphics |
| 06:28:38 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:29:44 | PaulPosition | Lilkid - What you want to look for is Crossfeeding (I think).. wait a second. |
| 06:29:44 | lilkid | lol |
| 06:29:48 | PaulPosition | it's in the manual... |
| 06:29:56 | PaulPosition | for rockbox. |
| 06:30:16 | lilkid | ah =D thanks yet again, *looks in pdf manual* |
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| 06:30:36 | PaulPosition | Feeds a bit of the left channel, with delay, into the right one, and vice versa, so it sounds more like what you'd hear from two speakers.. |
| 06:31:12 | PaulPosition | ok, 'nough... sleep. see y'all |
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| 06:32:34 | t0dk0n | hmmm, rockbox is pretty sweet |
| 06:32:45 | t0dk0n | pwnz the fuck out of the apple firmware |
| 06:33:16 | t0dk0n | http://www.speakdeadspeaker.com/blackbush.jpg |
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| 06:33:58 | scorche | this is a technical support channel...please leave the swearing and offtopicness at the door ;) |
| 06:34:19 | t0dk0n | awww |
| 06:34:21 | t0dk0n | alright |
| 06:34:32 | * | t0dk0n pees on the door while he does that |
| 06:34:33 | t0dk0n | ^_^ |
| 06:34:47 | rasher | And that. |
| 06:34:51 | t0dk0n | I know |
| 06:34:53 | * | scorche gives t0dk0n a diaper as it is apparent that he needs one |
| 06:34:56 | t0dk0n | I got a rockbox question now |
| 06:35:19 | * | t0dk0n slips the diaper that scorche generously handed me |
| 06:35:26 | t0dk0n | on |
| 06:35:38 | scorche | nice rockbox question |
| 06:35:50 | t0dk0n | anyone know if you can play the hexen/hexen 2 wads on Doom? |
| 06:36:05 | t0dk0n | or is it strictly doom/doom2 + addon wads? |
| 06:36:52 | lilkid | yeah i agree it does =D. lmao to that pic anyway. ooh i was just looking at that, where do you get doom wads? |
| 06:37:08 | scorche | read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginDoom |
| 06:37:09 | t0dk0n | you gotta pirate the doom wads :P |
| 06:37:11 | scorche | both of you |
| 06:37:25 | scorche | t0dk0n: we do not discuss that ype of thing here |
| 06:37:35 | t0dk0n | :( |
| 06:38:24 | t0dk0n | type^ |
| 06:38:47 | t0dk0n | scorche: that doesn't really say anything at all about hexen |
| 06:38:49 | scorche | heh...i typically ignore my typos...as long as you know what i was trying to say |
| 06:39:12 | scorche | why dont you just try it out and see? |
| 06:39:16 | t0dk0n | yeah, I was just trying to be immature and pay back for all the moderation =D |
| 06:39:26 | t0dk0n | good idea |
| 06:39:59 | scorche | payback?...i dont force you to be in this channel ;) |
| 06:40:05 | t0dk0n | I know |
| 06:40:08 | t0dk0n | But I like this channel |
| 06:40:27 | t0dk0n | and when people start moderating, I ph33r getting kick/banned when I'm random and off topic |
| 06:40:27 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 06:41:06 | scorche | well, expect it to be moderated...this is not a social channel |
| 06:42:17 | t0dk0n | yup yup |
| 06:42:30 | t0dk0n | well, its social to the extent when you need 'technical support' |
| 06:42:34 | t0dk0n | muahahaha |
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| 06:43:44 | lilkid | what a coincidence i learnt a new word context today lol, t0dk0n you are a "pedant" |
| 06:44:24 | t0dk0n | awww, why thank you |
| 06:44:47 | lilkid | ;p no probs |
| 06:45:32 | t0dk0n | not trying to be sarcastic, but did you learn that in school? |
| 06:46:04 | * | scorche sighs |
| 06:46:46 | t0dk0n | scorche: is it possible to program 'plugins' in perl for rockbox? |
| 06:46:55 | scorche | no |
| 06:46:59 | rasher | Would you please keep the social chatter elsewhere? |
| 06:47:02 | t0dk0n | ah, what can I program in then? |
| 06:47:05 | rasher | C |
| 06:47:06 | scorche | C |
| 06:47:10 | t0dk0n | alright, sweet |
| 06:50:42 | lilkid | hmm rockbox has a habit of freezing for a split second when i scroll and the music pauses =/ |
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| 07:16:28 | t0dk0n | awww I just realized |
| 07:16:34 | t0dk0n | Rockbox needs that matrix demo =D |
| 07:16:35 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 07:17:07 | scorche | not really |
| 07:17:14 | rasher | I made (read: stole) one, but it didn't work as well as I hoped, so it's abandoned |
| 07:17:32 | t0dk0n | ahh |
| 07:17:44 | rasher | It's in the tracker somewhere |
| 07:17:51 | rasher | Anyone is free to improve it |
| 07:17:54 | t0dk0n | I don't care for the movies really... too neo existential... but I like the green code going swish |
| 07:17:57 | t0dk0n | hmm, I'll look at it |
| 07:19:42 | t0dk0n | rasher: where's the tracker located? |
| 07:20:07 | scorche | you can access it easily from the rockbox site |
| 07:20:40 | rasher | Click patches in the menu |
| 07:20:42 | t0dk0n | gah, I'm really slow today, apologises |
| 07:20:50 | t0dk0n | thanks :) |
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| 07:29:46 | t0dk0n | how long does tag cache usually take to generate? and does it always do this, or is it in a database where its loaded everytime? |
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| 07:57:50 | myzar | I HAVE ARRIVED |
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| 07:59:03 | myzar | you cannot hide! |
| 07:59:10 | * | myzar lassos scorche |
| 07:59:12 | * | scorche is away |
| 07:59:21 | myzar | *mumble mumble* |
| 07:59:24 | myzar | you can't be away forever. |
| 07:59:41 | scorche | you could only hope... |
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| 08:18:52 | amiconn | morning |
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| 08:20:12 | myzar | HA! |
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| 08:20:22 | myzar | ;p |
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| 08:20:49 | amiconn | JdGordon: I begin to think that button actions for plugins aren't nearly as useful as for the core |
| 08:21:29 | amiconn | What's the point if you still need to make exceptions for specific targets? And I don't mean just leaving out certain actions... |
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| 09:09:15 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, ive of 2 minds on that also atm.. still its by far easier to make a few exceptions than figuring out keys for the 9 different key layouts.. |
| 09:11:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, I only didn't commit the new bmp loader yet because I want to make it support 15/16bit BMPs as well. Then it supports all canonical formats, which would be nice |
| 09:12:02 | amiconn | It also means that rockbox could read BMP files created by rockbox (screendumps) which isn't the case atm for both 4-grey and colour targets |
| 09:12:25 | amiconn | 4-grey writes 4-bit BMPs (already supported in the new reader, but not in the old one) |
| 09:12:38 | amiconn | Colour writes 16-bit BMPs ... |
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| 09:13:34 | amiconn | After some more optimisation I have 256bytes to play with even on archos (if possible, I want to keep the new loader smaller than the old one) :) |
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| 09:19:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you're not the only one busy. making sure everything restores IRAM for the voice correctly isn't exactly trivial. :P |
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| 09:34:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think you're simply using the wrong action context for Bubbles - you've defined a "four-directional movement" context, but that's not Bubbles... |
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| 09:34:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why wouldn't it currently read a 565 screendump anyway if it's a valid bmp? |
| 09:35:17 | linuxstb | (BTW, ipod mappings are still wrong in Bubbles - the wheel should be used for left/right) |
| 09:37:19 | JdGordon | linuxstb: why do you say that? bubbles is still elft/right/shoot... |
| 09:37:30 | JdGordon | and ill fix ipod tomorw night unless im beaten to it.. |
| 09:37:37 | linuxstb | Yes, left/right/shoot - no up and down movement. |
| 09:38:51 | JdGordon | ok.. so? |
| 09:39:17 | JdGordon | do you rekon we should add another context to handle just those three? |
| 09:39:23 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 09:39:50 | JdGordon | i guess that makes sense.. |
| 09:40:05 | linuxstb | On the ipod for example, you scroll for left/right movement, and the four buttons on the wheel when you need four-directional movement. |
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| 09:41:52 | linuxstb | But that would mean you need a separate context for the opening screen, unless you change to use left/right to change the level for all targets. |
| 09:42:42 | JdGordon | well, if all plugins used a different button handling funciotn for their oening screens than their in game code it wouldnt be a problem |
| 09:43:12 | JdGordon | otherwsie just adding the #defines like in bubbles for the special case can handle it |
| 09:43:52 | JdGordon | but, I have to go now, ill be back tomorow night |
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| 09:44:18 | linuxstb | Bubbles is like that - there are two separate switch statements. I think the problem is that the old button #defines in Bubbles were badly named as UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT..... bye. |
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| 10:14:59 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The current bmp loader only handles 1, 8 and 24 bit BMPs |
| 10:15:17 | amiconn | It _reads_ other depths, but doesn't handle them correctly |
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| 10:16:21 | markun | gigabeat update: vadim has now got the file browser working! Also the HDD logo flashes as it should and the USB logo shows up when inserting the cable. |
| 10:17:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, the dithering matrix only positive can't be correct. |
| 10:18:12 | jhMikeS | it is |
| 10:18:18 | amiconn | This way, when mapping to 2bit grey, all brightnesses from 192 to 255 end up white, which can't be correct |
| 10:19:33 | jhMikeS | for dithering or for truncating? The bands should be even: |0-63|64-127|128-191|192-255| |
| 10:21:30 | amiconn | That's impossible with simple binary truncation |
| 10:21:33 | jhMikeS | Only 1/64 of the pixels should be white at 192 if I figure right |
| 10:23:42 | jhMikeS | what is? 0=>63/64 = 0, 64->127/64 = 1, 128=>191/64 = 2, 192->255/64 = 3 |
| 10:23:43 | amiconn | Yeah, but the way it works (I just duplicated what you do for dithering to 5 or 6 bits, only shifted), 192 already means white _without_ applying the dither matrix |
| 10:24:01 | amiconn | ...and if the matrix is only positive, white just stays white |
| 10:25:20 | jhMikeS | Rounding would just stretch the grays out and compress black and white a little |
| 10:26:17 | amiconn | With the dither matrix being signed, it would be a bit better, but still not correct |
| 10:26:55 | jhMikeS | As long as the percentage of pixels in the color reduction at each level is correct for the 8bit level |
| 10:27:36 | amiconn | Using (brightness >> 6) maps 0..63 to black, 64..127 to dark grey, 128..191 to light grey, and 192..255 to white _without_ dithering, which is, bth not quite correct |
| 10:29:14 | jhMikeS | Not sure why you'd want uneven bands |
| 10:29:42 | amiconn | It should map to the _nearest_ level, which would mean mapping 0..42 to black, 43..127 to dark grey, 128..212 to light grey, and 213..255 to white |
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| 10:31:06 | amiconn | The 4 grey levels correspont to 0, 85, 170 and 255; neither to 0, 64, 128, 192 (truncating to 2 bits) nor to 32, 96, 160, 224 (rounding to 2 bits) |
| 10:31:38 | amiconn | LCD_RGBPACK() used to use the correct mapping, but someone changed that.. |
| 10:32:09 | jhMikeS | I don't like the rounding |
| 10:33:28 | amiconn | Try to visualize what's going on. Black is black, and white is white, irrespective of colour depth |
| 10:33:41 | roolku | markun: that's great (re:gigabeat update) - will this be comitted to cvs soon? I would like to get my hands on it and see if I can help with the port |
| 10:33:44 | jhMikeS | yup, and trunctation doesn't hurt that |
| 10:34:04 | amiconn | In order to convert back & forth _correctly_, the first and last intervals must be half the size of the others |
| 10:34:28 | jhMikeS | but all color bands with be the same width and correspond to that same number of level from the original depth then |
| 10:34:32 | markun | roolku: yes, should be in cvs soon |
| 10:34:47 | markun | roolku: but vadim has to clean up the code a bit first |
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| 10:34:55 | amiconn | ...because black and white are _in the center_ of their respective intervals, not at the edges, so the other half of their intervals ends up being outside of 0..255 |
| 10:34:55 | jhMikeS | an equal number of levels rather for each band |
| 10:34:57 | roolku | markun: excellent - looking forward to it |
| 10:38:24 | jhMikeS | not sure what that means. just draw an 8-bit gradient, first only truncated to some lower depth, then one rounded and truncated. |
| 10:38:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Also look what happens with truncation and the dither map. With the only-positive dither matrix, 0 is pure black. 1..63 dither between black and dark grey. 64 is pure dark grey. |
| 10:39:11 | jhMikeS | yup, exactly how I'd want it |
| 10:39:45 | amiconn | The same way, 65..127 -> dark grey/light grey; 128->light grey (!), 129..191 -> light grey/white, 192..255 -> white (!!) |
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| 10:40:06 | jhMikeS | that's 1 = 1/64 pixels dg, 2 = 2/64 px dark gray....64/64 pixels dk gray |
| 10:40:09 | amiconn | With a signed dither matrix, results would be better, but still not correct |
| 10:40:57 | markun | roolku: do you have a gigabeat? |
| 10:41:05 | jhMikeS | It's exactly the right halftone since it's basically mixing a proportion of two components to approximate the 8bit level. |
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| 10:41:23 | amiconn | Yes, but incorrect |
| 10:42:22 | jhMikeS | no, it's exactly what it should do since say level 1 is 1/64 dark gray and 63/64 black |
| 10:42:48 | amiconn | The low end is (nearly) correct but the high end isn't |
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| 10:43:03 | jhMikeS | anything else won't mix the correct proportion |
| 10:43:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: As already suggested, try to visualize. The problem here is that you have 4 levels, which means there are 3 areas of mixing, but with trucating you create 4 of them |
| 10:45:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Just try to continue your mapping: 1 is 1/64 dark grey and 63/64 black, 2 is 2/64 dark grey and 62/64 black .... |
| 10:45:19 | amiconn | If you approach 192, you'll see the problem... |
| 10:47:44 | jhMikeS | right, I see your point about that. 254 should be 1/64 light gray and 63/64 white |
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| 10:51:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Correct. With a signed dither matrix, the mapping would at least be symmetric |
| 10:53:52 | amiconn | (0..31 would then all map to black and 224..255 would all map to white) |
| 10:54:17 | jhMikeS | There's another way though |
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| 10:59:43 | jhMikeS | If I get this right: if ((level % 64) > matrix) ? level/64 + 1 : level/64 or some variant like that |
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| 11:01:33 | amiconn | With just level >> 6 as a basis, this will never work correctly |
| 11:01:56 | amiconn | Took me a while to understand this |
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| 11:02:38 | amiconn | There are 2 exceptions where just truncating works correctly: (1) when truncationg _by_ 1 bit, (2) when truncating _to_ 1 bit |
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| 11:07:59 | ash_ | Hey, whom is the webmin? |
| 11:08:20 | markun | Bagder I think |
| 11:08:29 | Bagder | admin of what? |
| 11:09:10 | markun | Bagder: I just assumed he was talking about the rockbox website |
| 11:09:24 | Bagder | yes, but most of that is twiki, hence my q |
| 11:09:34 | ash_ | True.. Im looking for the CVS stat table |
| 11:09:43 | ash_ | is that custom or public release? |
| 11:09:52 | Bagder | you mean the cvs build table? |
| 11:10:00 | Bagder | or the recent cvs changes? |
| 11:10:09 | ash_ | changes |
| 11:10:13 | jhMikeS | (1) ((level % 2) > matrix[row][col]) ? level/2+1 : level/2 |
| 11:10:15 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/recentcvs/ |
| 11:10:17 | jhMikeS | (2) ((level % 128) > matrix[row][col]) ? level/128 + 1 : level/128 |
| 11:10:48 | ash_ | Excellentos, Cheers |
| 11:11:15 | ash_ | How "hard" is that to use? does it need the CVS on the local box or can it read the changes |
| 11:11:33 | Bagder | it just invokes cvs, can be done from anywhere |
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| 11:13:09 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The basic problem is independent of whether dithering is used or not. |
| 11:13:37 | ash_ | I like :D |
| 11:14:26 | ash_ | next question - if im not using viewCVS. does it still work |
| 11:14:27 | Bagder | that little extra script that gets the dates is a bit stupid |
| 11:14:39 | Bagder | ash_: yes, it has nothing to do with viewcvs |
| 11:14:50 | Bagder | you just adjust the "diff" links |
| 11:15:15 | ash_ | Thanks for this. I havn't actually found anything like this |
| 11:15:24 | ash_ | that isn't a overkill |
| 11:15:26 | jhMikeS | I only see the problem when using halftoning where 192+ get pushed to solid white otherwise you just get equal sized bands |
| 11:15:39 | Bagder | ash_: hehe, me neither, which is why I wrote it ;-) |
| 11:15:51 | jhMikeS | negative values shouldn't be needed at all |
| 11:16:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Equal sized bands _within_ the 0..255 range actually is the problem |
| 11:17:02 | amiconn | Do you agree that the 4 levels of a 4 bit display correspond to 0, 85, 170 and 255 when expressed as 8 bit values? |
| 11:17:18 | amiconn | 2 bit display of course |
| 11:20:00 | jhMikeS | that's only cause it's 0*255/3, 255/3, 2*255/3, 3*255/3. Not sure why that has to be |
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| 11:21:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: level 3 on a 2 bit display is white, so it has to correspond to 255 as 8bit value |
| 11:21:43 | amiconn | Otherwise it wouldn't represent white |
| 11:21:56 | jhMikeS | with ordered dither that's not right though |
| 11:22:10 | amiconn | Dither doesn't change the basic problem |
| 11:23:09 | amiconn | If you're reducing bit depth, you need to round to the closest level |
| 11:23:27 | jhMikeS | Did you look at it with the method above? |
| 11:23:31 | amiconn | But with trunctating, that's exactly where things go wrong. |
| 11:23:55 | amiconn | Truncating maps 192 to white, but 192 is nearer to 170 than it is to 255 |
| 11:24:27 | amiconn | Do you agree that converting a 2 bit image to 8 bit and back shouldn't change the image? |
| 11:25:00 | amiconn | (i.e. 2 bit -> 8 bit -> 2 bit) |
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| 11:26:40 | jhMikeS | when you're going back it's a different story imo and yes, 0, 85, 170, 255 will go back to 8-bit and truncating those values will get you back your 2 bit values |
| 11:28:08 | amiconn | If you do 2 bit -> 8 bit correctly (mapping 0, 1, 2 and 3 to 0, 85, 170 and 255; otherwise white wouldn't stay white) and then do 8 bit -> 2 bit by truncating, the image wouldn't be the same anymore |
| 11:28:43 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact it would... |
| 11:28:55 | amiconn | ...but just by chance |
| 11:29:08 | jhMikeS | not by chance at all |
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| 11:30:53 | antil33t | this looks like fun |
| 11:31:04 | amiconn | But if you do the opposite (8 bit -> 2 bit -> 8 bit) using truncation will change the image more than using proper mapping |
| 11:39:32 | * | jhMikeS is thinking about what "change the image more" means. rounding could make the sum of the differences zero but not the sum of the absolute values of the differences...I think they'll be the same or very close. |
| 11:41:38 | amiconn | nope |
| 11:42:20 | amiconn | E.g. level 192 in the original image would end up white (255) while it's actually closer to 170 (light grey) |
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| 11:48:21 | amiconn | That's what I mean, and what took me a while to understand |
| 11:50:31 | amiconn | Black and white are the centres of their respective intervals, so while the "black" and the "white" interval should of course be the same width as the other intervals (light grey and dark grey here), |
| 11:50:41 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking about more than that. Take an original image and take the sum of a channel diff of 1) the abolute values of the diffs, rounded 2) same thing unrounded. Which has a greater sum? |
| 11:51:24 | amiconn | the parts of the white and black interval that fall into the 0..255 range are not the same width. They are half as wide |
| 11:52:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It will depend on the actual image, but while both (level % 64) and ((level + 32) % 64) will produce nearly the same errors, |
| 11:53:05 | webguest20 | One of the last changes in CVS (16 Nov 21:04) uses two code snippets that do exactly the same. Isn't there a macro for this? Shouldn't it be created? |
| 11:53:24 | jhMikeS | yes...but thats infrared and ultraviolet, only good for rattlesnakes and bees :) |
| 11:54:48 | amiconn | using ((level + 42) % 85) will produce less errors |
| 11:57:38 | amiconn | That's exactly the scheme LCD_RGBPACK() and LCD_BRIGHTNESS() used to apply, before you changed them... |
| 11:58:43 | jhMikeS | for dithering it's a different story though |
| 11:58:47 | amiconn | nope |
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| 12:01:05 | jhMikeS | check it out as I showed above. The goal isn't the same. |
| 12:02:34 | amiconn | The goal is to make the reduced depth image look as close to the original image as possible |
| 12:02:39 | jhMikeS | so you want an 85 level matrix? |
| 12:02:43 | amiconn | Same rules apply as without dithering |
| 12:02:53 | amiconn | Yes, you actually need that |
| 12:02:56 | linuxstb_ | webguest20: Read yesterday's IRC logs... Yes, a macro/function should be created, but it was decided to commit a quick fix and add the function later. |
| 12:03:35 | amiconn | Or give up a little bit of precision and use a 64 level matrix, but with values of -42 ... +41 |
| 12:03:46 | amiconn | -42..+42 of course |
| 12:03:49 | jhMikeS | not in any incarnation I've ever seen and it won't work with that |
| 12:04:06 | amiconn | It will. Check it out |
| 12:05:01 | amiconn | Reducing to 1 bit works when using truncation, as there are only 2 intervals which happen to be the end intervals as well |
| 12:05:03 | jhMikeS | you should be able to average any dot pattern into the original color |
| 12:05:10 | amiconn | yes |
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| 12:08:27 | amiconn | But that's exactly what's not possible with the current implementation |
| 12:13:28 | amiconn | Actually, using the generic formula that _used_ to be in LCD_RGBPACK() and LCD_BRIGHTNESS(), we could use a 256 level matrix all the time |
| 12:13:54 | amiconn | ...unsigned, replacing the fixed rounding factor of 127 that's there when not using dithering |
| 12:14:56 | jhMikeS | you're just looking to place 0,85,170,255 as the solid colors produced by the matrix really |
| 12:16:12 | jhMikeS | The only tile that works exactly that way is 5x17 but it doesn't distribute the errors at the highest possible frequency |
| 12:17:19 | * | webguest20 have read the IRC log from yesterday and thanks linuxstb for the reference |
| 12:17:33 | jhMikeS | anything else is an approximation |
| 12:17:55 | daurnimator | hey |
| 12:17:58 | daurnimator | guess what? |
| 12:18:49 | jhMikeS | amconn: could use a 15x17 with three differnt arrangements of the values to do it and be very close |
| 12:18:52 | amiconn | Check it out... I think an 8x8 standard matrix (using the normalised values of 0..255) will work as desired in the generic formula |
| 12:18:55 | daurnimator | i conduct electricty! |
| 12:19:06 | amiconn | I mean 16x16 of course |
| 12:19:28 | jhMikeS | daurnimator: I thought we all did |
| 12:19:45 | daurnimator | well, i hold a speaker cable in one hand |
| 12:19:54 | daurnimator | and an output contact in the other |
| 12:20:02 | daurnimator | and, i get the music out the speakers |
| 12:20:22 | daurnimator | (ground is connected another way) |
| 12:20:31 | daurnimator | lost the highs a bit |
| 12:20:35 | daurnimator | but, its pretty cool |
| 12:20:53 | jhMikeS | there's some guy in India that hooks himself up to the wall outlet and lights up lightbulbs that way |
| 12:20:59 | daurnimator | my moving where i touch it to me, i get volume control |
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| 12:23:28 | jhMikeS | amiconn: with even dithering bands you'll still get a correct averaging to the original level even if you choose different solid levels as long as there's exactly as many dot patterns as levels |
| 12:27:58 | jhMikeS | ...and of course if the area of coverage goes up 1/N for each level increase |
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| 12:31:39 | jhMikeS | can't believe I got the IRAM protection in there as simply as I did :P |
| 12:37:25 | jhMikeS | something's leaving a stray boost count...I don't think I did it cause I never messed with any boost stuff nor removed any functions by accident afaik |
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| 12:40:45 | jhMikeS | It's just got a "?" |
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| 12:54:01 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That's correct, but with truncating to 2 bits, you actually create 5 levels to interpolatebetween, while you actually only have 4 destination levels |
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| 12:58:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...scheduler seems to leave a stray boost or something isn't blocking/sleeping |
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| 13:02:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That's probably a timing problem. Even without your changes, several people (including me) observed this behaviour on ipod |
| 13:02:23 | amiconn | ...but not on coldfire targets |
| 13:02:48 | amiconn | CPU boosted after boot, with a "?" in the debug screen |
| 13:03:28 | jhMikeS | it's there. what do you mean by timing problem. it happens with voice menus enabled. It only seems to call trigger_cpu_boost |
| 13:04:05 | jhMikeS | if voice menus are off, no "?" |
| 13:04:43 | jhMikeS | and it comes back even if I enable them well after boot |
| 13:08:02 | jhMikeS | my guess would be the scheduler clearing the boost flag but not unboosting for the thread so it fails to do so when it blocks/sleeps |
| 13:09:35 | amiconn | Hmm, possible |
| 13:09:52 | amiconn | Actually I didn't check whether it's related to voice |
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| 13:15:54 | jhMikeS | Voice only triggers a boost when it starts during Q_VOICE_PLAY and in mp3_play_data but two calls shouldn't hurt it |
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| 13:21:42 | jhMikeS | any reason auto boosts aren't IDed? |
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| 13:32:22 | jhMikeS | guess it's kind of a lot more code in there |
| 13:33:43 | jhMikeS | but I checked it and the stray boost is from the scheduler for sure |
| 13:35:12 | preglow | :/ |
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| 13:43:52 | jhMikeS | a bonus of the IRAM allocation is that you can use it safely now for anything at any time if needed |
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| 13:46:18 | jhMikeS | ...except DMA of course =:P |
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| 14:35:06 | any | hi |
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| 14:43:11 | Ave | ahm, ipod nano 1st gen is using portal player 5020 right? |
| 14:43:30 | amiconn | No, 5021 |
| 14:43:54 | amiconn | Register compatible, but more power efficient |
| 14:44:03 | Ave | gotcha |
| 14:45:09 | Ave | hmh so pportalplayer is not handing out the actual chip datasheet... how weak is that |
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| 14:47:12 | Bagder | common practise these days unfortunately |
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| 15:09:16 | preglow | Bagder: doesn't seem like what i wanted with automake is possible after all. seems like the only _CFLAGS variables you can set/append to also have to be entries in the bin_PROGRAMS variable, and my programs aren't single files :/ |
| 15:09:43 | preglow | also, m4 is satan |
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| 15:22:23 | * | Bagder pokes his STB |
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| 15:28:46 | pondlife | Hmm, the categories in Flyspray are *almost* alphabetical.... |
| 15:29:06 | pondlife | but Bootloader is at the end. |
| 15:33:06 | Bagder | the sort order can be set by a flyspray admin |
| 15:33:42 | pondlife | Who's a Flyspray admin then? |
| 15:33:58 | Bagder | reload! |
| 15:33:59 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 15:34:03 | pondlife | Cheers! |
| 15:35:04 | pondlife | I thought I was going mad(der) |
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| 15:42:27 | Gnelik | Hi! |
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| 15:47:57 | Gnelik | dan_a: Hi! |
| 15:48:08 | dan_a | Hi Gnelik |
| 15:49:22 | Gnelik | dan_a: How do the work with sansa going, do you need any help??? |
| 15:51:24 | dan_a | I tried your patch to compile Rockbox - I've made a couple of changes to it. |
| 15:52:03 | dan_a | One thing that you could do is see how far you can get it to go in the boot process |
| 15:53:53 | Gnelik | But we have no bootloader |
| 15:54:32 | Gnelik | do we? |
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| 15:54:51 | dan_a | That doesn't matter - you can install Rockbox as a .mi4 |
| 15:55:42 | Gnelik | dan_a: i didns see mi4 file after make |
| 15:55:45 | Gnelik | only bin |
| 15:55:46 | Gnelik | ? |
| 15:55:55 | Gnelik | lol |
| 15:56:22 | dan_a | I get an mi4 when I do a normal build |
| 15:56:43 | dan_a | And if I do "make fullzip" it puts the mi4 into the zip |
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| 15:58:09 | Gnelik | dan_a: And another stupid question: howw can i update changed files on my disk to normal from cvs |
| 15:58:10 | Gnelik | ??? |
| 15:58:44 | rasher | cvs diff file.c |patch -R -p0 should work |
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| 15:59:17 | dan_a | I use "cvs up -dPC" |
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| 15:59:41 | rasher | I usually forget, and just delete the file and run cvs up |
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| 16:00:25 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, did you actually enable the collection of .map files in the build system, and if so, where are they available? |
| 16:00:37 | Bagder | no I didn't |
| 16:00:40 | Gnelik | rasher: i did this all time, but i thought there is another way |
| 16:01:23 | webguest55 | Hi. Is there any chance that the patch 5049 (startup screen) will be incorporated into the official builds? I quite often switch on my H120 and then go directly to FM radio. |
| 16:01:48 | webguest55 | And that patch seems to automate it. |
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| 16:07:43 | Gnelik | The ìóí last stupid question: i make patch < e200_2.patch but it asks me a file name |
| 16:07:59 | Gnelik | I have allready read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Applying_A_Patch |
| 16:08:09 | Bagder | Gnelik: you need -pN, probably -p0 or -p1 |
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| 16:11:36 | Gnelik | dan_a: your paych seems not to work |
| 16:11:53 | Gnelik | system.c:633:8: warning: "/*" within comment |
| 16:11:54 | Gnelik | system.c:588:1: error: unterminated #if |
| 16:11:54 | Gnelik | system.c:155:1: error: unterminated #elif |
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| 16:14:32 | dan_a | It looks OK here. Hang on, I'll try applying the patch to latest CVS |
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| 16:22:09 | dan_a | Yuk! My editor added ^M all through the patch, even though I've told it not to! |
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| 16:37:41 | * | amiconn recommends dan_a to use a better editor |
| 16:39:34 | dan_a | I thought I was! I can't wait till I work out why X won't run for more than 10 seconds on my Linux box before it makes the graphics card hang |
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| 16:50:58 | Gnelik | dan_a: i made "make" but i cant see any mi4 file |
| 16:52:36 | Gnelik | $ make zip |
| 16:52:37 | Gnelik | zip warning: name not matched: PP5022.mi4 |
| 16:52:51 | dan_a | that's odd |
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| 17:00:10 | Gnelik | dan_a: Doe's it create mi4 file when you compile |
| 17:00:12 | Gnelik | ? |
| 17:00:35 | dan_a | Gnelik: Just going through and getting rid of the problems with the patch, then I'll test. |
| 17:00:57 | Gnelik | dan_a: There is 2 erors only |
| 17:01:16 | Gnelik | in comments / is far from * |
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| 17:04:07 | dan_a | Gnelik: It looks like it creates the mi4 |
| 17:05:10 | dan_a | The last output from "make clean; make bin" is the mi4 file being built |
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| 17:11:21 | Gnelik | reconfigured make clean; make bin and no file |
| 17:11:23 | Gnelik | :( |
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| 17:12:30 | dan_a | What do you have after "OBJCOPY rockbox.bin"? |
| 17:13:03 | Gnelik | Build firmware file |
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| 17:13:19 | dan_a | And then? |
| 17:13:58 | Gnelik | Nothing |
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| 17:26:47 | Gnelik41 | dan_a: Sandisk logo |
| 17:26:51 | Gnelik41 | nothing more |
| 17:27:22 | dan_a | That's what I got. |
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| 17:30:06 | Gnelik41 | Not very far |
| 17:30:08 | Gnelik41 | %) |
| 17:30:25 | dan_a | The trick now is to work out where it is getting stuck! |
| 17:30:59 | Gnelik41 | cover the code with sprintf? |
| 17:31:52 | dan_a | Sort of. lcd_puts() and lcd_update() |
| 17:32:56 | amiconn | splash() is easier |
| 17:33:28 | amiconn | (1) it already includes the lcd update. (2) it has printf syntax |
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| 17:48:29 | SmilinBob | hello |
| 17:50:12 | SmilinBob | i had a question, but i'm not sure weather it's something to do with rockbox or with the specific theme i am using... |
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| 17:50:46 | dan_a | SmilinBob: Ask the question, if anyone can answer, they will. |
| 17:50:55 | SmilinBob | it looks for cover.bmp as the album art, is there a way to make it use folder.jpg? |
| 17:55:20 | Gnelik41 | SmilinBob it can't use jpg albom art |
| 17:55:24 | Gnelik41 | as far as i know |
| 17:55:28 | SmilinBob | =( |
| 17:55:34 | SmilinBob | back to renaming... |
| 17:55:38 | dan_a | Album art isn't supported in Rockbox. Glancing through the patch details (FS #3045) it doesn't look like it can use jpg |
| 17:55:59 | * | dan_a types too slowly |
| 17:56:08 | Gnelik41 | dan_a :) |
| 17:56:14 | SmilinBob | heh |
| 17:57:28 | Gnelik41 | dan_a: Will splash function work in any place of code? |
| 17:57:38 | amiconn | Just renaming won't magically convert a jpg into a bmp |
| 17:57:50 | SmilinBob | well converting/renaming |
| 17:57:53 | dan_a | Gnelik41: I've never used it |
| 17:57:53 | SmilinBob | =P |
| 17:57:56 | SmilinBob | +) |
| 17:58:07 | amiconn | Gnelik41: In most places, as long as it's not time critical |
| 17:58:31 | amiconn | Oh, and you shouldn't use splash() or any any lcd command in an isr |
| 17:59:16 | SmilinBob | over the past week or so i have been re writing all my id3 tags... |
| 17:59:24 | SmilinBob | quite a tedious process |
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| 18:02:00 | Gnelik41 | dan_a: Debug will only work after lcd_init |
| 18:02:14 | Gnelik41 | am i right? |
| 18:03:49 | dan_a | Gnelik41: Yes. So try putting a debug right after that, and see if it gets that far. |
| 18:04:21 | Gnelik41 | I made it a second befour your message |
| 18:04:25 | Gnelik41 | :) |
| 18:05:30 | amiconn | splash() needs screen_access_init() as well |
| 18:06:32 | dan_a | Ah, but we know that we're not getting as far as show_logo() |
| 18:07:10 | Gnelik41 | yes |
| 18:08:59 | Gnelik41 | System kernel buffer power inits |
| 18:10:07 | amiconn | Is there a led that can be controlled by a port pin? |
| 18:10:36 | Gnelik41 | I think no |
| 18:10:45 | Gnelik41 | Therre is scroll backlight |
| 18:11:03 | Gnelik41 | but i dont think we have control of it |
| 18:11:43 | dan_a | We do - I'm just trying to find the address/bit to write to |
| 18:12:33 | amiconn | Such a led is a nice debugging aid when not even the lcd does work yet |
| 18:13:31 | amiconn | You can even use it to output byte values if you have a means for coarse timing |
| 18:13:45 | amiconn | I used that to debug the self extractor for archos |
| 18:14:13 | dan_a | 0x70000020 bit 13 turns the blue scrollwheel LED on and off |
| 18:14:58 | amiconn | ...flashing bytes via the red LED. Short on == 0 bit, Long on == 1 bit. Short off time between bits, Long off after each nibble |
| 18:15:31 | amiconn | Somewhat like morse code |
| 18:15:51 | amiconn | -... -.-. would be 0x8A |
| 18:16:06 | dan_a | My local bootloader has kernel, adc, lcd and ata inits before doing show_logo(). I'm pretty sure that adc and ata init won't be needed. |
| 18:16:36 | dan_a | amiconn: That sounds ingenius and difficult! |
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| 18:17:16 | amiconn | Easier than it sounds |
| 18:21:18 | amiconn | dan_a: For show_logo() you also need font_init() |
| 18:21:19 | Gnelik41 | dan_a: i am C newbie how can i write to 0x70000020 bit 13?? |
| 18:23:45 | Gnelik41 | Can't we just init lcd befour all??? |
| 18:23:52 | dan_a | Gnelik41: Have a look at bootloader/e200.c |
| 18:24:50 | dan_a | I think you could move lcd_init to the start... give me two minutes to check the source |
| 18:25:23 | Gnelik41 | it neds kernel |
| 18:25:24 | Gnelik41 | init |
| 18:25:42 | Gnelik41 | lcd thread inits there |
| 18:26:04 | dan_a | kernel_init should work |
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| 19:07:18 | thegeek | is it correct that the 80gb 5.5G ipod uses a new disk controller? |
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| 19:12:17 | thegeek | this ipodlinux wiki says so : http://ipodlinux.org/5.5G_Installation |
| 19:12:30 | thegeek | however it contradicts what I've read so far |
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| 19:22:15 | amiconn | "80GB iPods use a new disk controller." |
| 19:22:17 | amiconn | ! |
| 19:22:41 | amiconn | In fact that's strange, since the disk controller is part of the pp afaik |
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| 19:23:12 | thegeek | indeed |
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| 19:54:53 | GolerGkA | can anyone help with make problems on linux? |
| 19:58:32 | GolerGkA | ...anyone alive around here? |
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| 19:59:10 | rasher | GolerGkA: you'd be better off stating your problem |
| 19:59:57 | GolerGkA | I'm getting error 2... fortunately I can bring all the log here |
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| 20:00:38 | rasher | Put the errors here: http://pastebin.ca/ |
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| 20:01:27 | GolerGkA | http://pastebin.ca/251077 |
| 20:02:31 | GolerGkA | The last line is a bit damaged, I guess this site doesn't understand russian, but that was to mean "error". |
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| 20:09:00 | lowlight | GolerGkA: you using the source tarball or cvs? |
| 20:10:45 | GolerGkA | cvs |
| 20:15:33 | lowlight | then I don't know. |
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| 20:56:04 | chaebi | hello |
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| 20:56:19 | n1s | 'lo |
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| 20:59:02 | madduck | good evening |
| 20:59:13 | n1s | evenin' |
| 20:59:30 | rasher | GolerGkA: Have you tried to make veryclean and re-run configure? |
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| 21:00:45 | t0dk0n | For the last hour, tag cache keeps saying "Tag Cache isn't ready" |
| 21:01:13 | t0dk0n | does it take a while? or is it buggy? :P |
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| 21:01:31 | n1s | both really :-) |
| 21:01:40 | t0dk0n | damn haha |
| 21:01:58 | t0dk0n | how long would it take to generate aboot, 10gb of fresh music? |
| 21:02:03 | t0dk0n | an estimate |
| 21:02:17 | n1s | no idea. |
| 21:02:22 | t0dk0n | okie dokie |
| 21:02:30 | PaulPosition | Dunno, but not an hour |
| 21:02:45 | rasher | You need to reboot after generating |
| 21:02:50 | t0dk0n | ahh |
| 21:02:52 | t0dk0n | thanks |
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| 21:03:38 | t0dk0n | yay! =D |
| 21:06:07 | t0dk0n | I like how you can turn shuffle and repeat on/off without going through menus.. that was one of the biggest annoyances of the apple firmware imo |
| 21:06:28 | PaulPosition | Yeah, quickmenu is nice. |
| 21:09:37 | t0dk0n | Its not so bad on the battery either |
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| 21:17:58 | t0dk0n | crossfeed is amazing 0_0 |
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| 21:18:12 | t0dk0n | does that take up much battery power? |
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| 21:27:57 | t0dk0n | hmmm, Rockboy isn't included in my rockbox build |
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| 21:33:39 | Davide-NYC | t0dk0n: It works as a viewer so simply click on .gb or .gbc files to launch them. It does not show up in the "Browse Plugins" list. |
| 21:33:49 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
| 21:34:13 | Davide-NYC | Do not ask for Gameboy/Gameboy Color roms on forums or irc because it is illegal. |
| 21:34:32 | t0dk0n | haha thanks |
| 21:34:39 | t0dk0n | I know, I know |
| 21:34:51 | t0dk0n | well, its not illegal to ask for them, its illegal to download them :P |
| 21:34:59 | Davide-NYC | true. |
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| 22:07:17 | GolerGkA | rasher: Yes, make clean && ../tools/configre && make - several times. |
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| 22:14:30 | _ke | hi! i tried to install rockbox on an ipod 5 (60gb), but when i try to install the bootloader with ./diskdump -w /dev/disk1 rockboot.bin (under MACOSX) i got this: |
| 22:14:33 | _ke | 0 0x0b 63 117210239 57231 |
| 22:14:34 | _ke | [INFO] Seeking to sector 63 |
| 22:14:34 | _ke | [WARN] Seek error - reading 63 sectors instead |
| 22:14:34 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK _ke |
| 22:14:34 | _ke | [INFO] Writing input file to device |
| 22:14:34 | _ke | [INFO] Wrote 12803584 bytes. |
| 22:14:42 | JonathanF | Anyone? |
| 22:14:44 | JonathanF | :$ |
| 22:14:46 | t0dk0n | Are you doing it on a new ipod? |
| 22:14:55 | _ke | and then there isnt a blue screen but i should connect to itunes |
| 22:15:03 | _ke | no, its the video 5 |
| 22:15:06 | _ke | not 5.5 |
| 22:15:17 | t0dk0n | alright, well, I did all I can do :P |
| 22:15:25 | _ke | o.. |
| 22:15:29 | _ke | not good |
| 22:15:54 | t0dk0n | someone else could prolly help |
| 22:15:56 | t0dk0n | hahaha |
| 22:16:09 | _ke | someone else? |
| 22:16:16 | _ke | hello there.. |
| 22:16:49 | _ke | anyone out there? |
| 22:16:55 | t0dk0n | patience is a virtue |
| 22:17:00 | _ke | ;) |
| 22:17:22 | JonathanF | it's kinda boring in here |
| 22:17:35 | GolerGkA | yea-a-ah |
| 22:17:47 | JonathanF | O'well |
| 22:17:56 | GolerGkA | yet no experts in linux making??? |
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| 22:18:04 | t0dk0n | its a tech support room, since I learned the hard way yesterday ^_^ |
| 22:18:07 | t0dk0n | not social |
| 22:18:20 | Akhenaten | :) |
| 22:18:22 | t0dk0n | I use Linux :P |
| 22:18:23 | GolerGkA | I've tryied EVERYTIHNG already :( |
| 22:18:31 | t0dk0n | but I don't know what you mean by "Linux-making" |
| 22:18:34 | Akhenaten | infact I was looking for a music-chat room. |
| 22:18:55 | GolerGkA | I've tried to make the firmware under linux for couple of hours already |
| 22:18:56 | Akhenaten | though rockbox must be related to music, too bad i didnt check the topic ;) |
| 22:19:17 | GolerGkA | but all I get is stupid errors... |
| 22:19:35 | GolerGkA | http://pastebin.ca/251077 |
| 22:19:35 | t0dk0n | hmm, why do you need to make it? |
| 22:19:37 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 22:19:47 | GolerGkA | I mean compile |
| 22:19:56 | t0dk0n | I know what make is |
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| 22:20:07 | t0dk0n | but why are you trying to make rockbox? |
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| 22:20:19 | t0dk0n | oooh, are you doing it from source? |
| 22:20:20 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 22:20:28 | obo | GolerGkA: cat: SOURCES: No such file or directory - what happened to those files? |
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| 22:21:00 | GolerGkA | first of all I never compiled smth for any nonPC before, and at the second place I've tried to apply the last.fm patch |
| 22:21:16 | GolerGkA | I don't know what files does it mean! |
| 22:21:25 | GolerGkA | that's the problem |
| 22:21:28 | obo | which one?? last.fm logging was included in CVS on october 19th |
| 22:21:31 | t0dk0n | oooh, I got you haha |
| 22:21:47 | GolerGkA | I dunno about |
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| 22:22:13 | GolerGkA | anyway I JUST WANT TO COMPILE IT COS IT'S COOL TO SEE THESE GREEN LINES RUNNING! =) |
| 22:22:21 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 22:22:32 | obo | GolerGkA: which patch?? did you download the source tarball, or are you using cvs? |
| 22:22:39 | GolerGkA | and for real, I just want to learn how to do it |
| 22:22:43 | GolerGkA | cvs |
| 22:23:04 | GolerGkA | I've decided just to compile the cvs for the first time, to learn how the process goes |
| 22:24:20 | obo | try a "cvs up -dPC" - that will restore your cvs tree to a clean state |
| 22:24:28 | GolerGkA | I just don't understand what files are absent! I've done all as manual tells, and I've tried moving ANY FILES to build folder... nothing worked |
| 22:24:43 | GolerGkA | am I to do that in the rockbox-devel folder? |
| 22:24:47 | obo | yes |
| 22:25:27 | GolerGkA | cvs update: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option |
| 22:25:27 | GolerGkA | cvs [update aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable. |
| 22:25:43 | GolerGkA | am I to run it with -d? |
| 22:26:03 | Akhenaten | Do you guys use your own ChatZilla skins? |
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| 22:26:16 | obo | or run the CVS login command again |
| 22:26:24 | Akhenaten | (if any ChatZilla users out there ;)) |
| 22:27:08 | GolerGkA | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login ? |
| 22:27:17 | GolerGkA | I've done it, but it didn't help |
| 22:27:48 | GolerGkA | the cvs restore command still not working |
| 22:28:03 | GolerGkA | I guess I have to RTFM cvs properly... :( |
| 22:28:04 | obo | rockbox.haxx.se?? where did you find that? |
| 22:28:08 | obo | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
| 22:28:19 | GolerGkA | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile ! |
| 22:28:24 | GolerGkA | OK, thank you |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | [root@36787 rockbox-devel]# cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:2401/cvsroot/rockbox |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | CVS password: |
| 22:28:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK GolerGkA |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | [root@36787 rockbox-devel]# cvs up -dPC |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | cvs update: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option |
| 22:28:46 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:28:46 | GolerGkA | cvs [update aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable. |
| 22:28:49 | GolerGkA | :( |
| 22:28:50 | obo | ah, they point to the same place anyway, so I don't think that will make a difference |
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| 22:29:19 | GolerGkA | :) |
| 22:29:59 | GolerGkA | May be I should delete all rockbox-dev and start all over... but I didn't modify it except the creation of build folder! :( |
| 22:31:11 | obo | might be worth trying to see if you can check out a clean copy from scratch |
| 22:31:23 | GolerGkA | OK, I'll try |
| 22:31:32 | GolerGkA | may be I better download tarball? |
| 22:31:43 | rasher | Nah, cvs is the better choice |
| 22:32:03 | GolerGkA | :) |
| 22:33:24 | GolerGkA | Oh, BTW - now I'm downloadind cvs - why does it say about any file "no such file or directory" though finally it downloads all of it? Is it normal? |
| 22:38:47 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 22:43:59 | GolerGkA | IT DIDN'T HELP... OMG I DID ALL FROM THE BEGINNING BUT AGAIN - ALL I'VE GOT ARE SOME STUPID ERRORS! |
| 22:45:36 | obo | same errors? |
| 22:45:51 | rasher | What's the errors from cvs? |
| 22:46:22 | GolerGkA | cat: SOURCES: No such file or directory |
| 22:46:22 | GolerGkA | MAKE in bitmaps/mono |
| 22:46:22 | GolerGkA | cat: SOURCES: No such file or directory |
| 22:46:22 | GolerGkA | AR+RANLIB libbitmapsmono.a |
| 22:46:22 | GolerGkA | MAKE in bitmaps/native |
| 22:46:23 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:46:23 | GolerGkA | cat: SOURCES: No such file or directory |
| 22:46:27 | GolerGkA | AR+RANLIB libbitmapsnative.a |
| 22:46:29 | GolerGkA | MAKE in bitmaps/remote_mono |
| 22:46:30 | obo | pastebin! |
| 22:46:31 | GolerGkA | cat: SOURCES: No such file or directory |
| 22:46:35 | GolerGkA | A |
| 22:46:37 | GolerGkA | OK |
| 22:46:52 | obo | stupid question time - you do have a copy of cat in your path? |
| 22:47:24 | GolerGkA | http://pastebin.ca/251203 |
| 22:47:58 | GolerGkA | copy of what? I know cat as a simple console program to view files |
| 22:48:16 | obo | yup, that's the one |
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| 22:48:24 | GolerGkA | do I need it? |
| 22:48:27 | rasher | Okay, another question, might be unrelated |
| 22:48:30 | rasher | But why are you root? |
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| 22:48:42 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 22:48:59 | GolerGkA | cos I've just installed m68k-elf-gcc |
| 22:49:16 | obo | GolerGkA: yes, you need it |
| 22:49:44 | GolerGkA | but where to get it? I know how to launch it but I don't know where are binaries |
| 22:49:53 | GolerGkA | and what for do I need em? |
| 22:49:58 | obo | as long as you can launch it, that's fine |
| 22:50:14 | GolerGkA | ok, fortunately I can. You meant in $PATH |
| 22:50:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | obo: Assuming he doesn't actually type the full path to launch it. |
| 22:50:36 | obo | yes |
| 22:50:39 | obo | Paul_the_Nerd: true |
| 22:53:35 | GolerGkA | other ideas of what to do for poor me? |
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| 22:54:20 | luckyone | hello friends |
| 22:54:35 | | Part Akhenaten |
| 22:54:42 | luckyone | I just recently found out about rockbox - I put it on my wife's ipod mini, it is really cool |
| 22:55:03 | luckyone | what I am most excited about is a port to my Sansa e260, I can't freaking wait for that |
| 22:55:14 | rasher | GolerGkA: which path are you in? pwd |
| 22:55:58 | Bagder | I bet there's a space in it |
| 22:56:24 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 22:56:25 | luckyone | what is the best thing for total and utter newbs to do to help you guys? |
| 22:56:52 | rasher | luckyone: Writing documentation is probably the easiest part, once you know how Rockbox works |
| 22:57:02 | Bagder | luckyone: get familiar, try the sim, help out where *you* think you can contribute |
| 22:57:03 | luckyone | is there a donation on sourceforge or something, I could send Ritalin smoothies to devs |
| 22:57:43 | Bagder | there's a (paypal) donation button on the site |
| 22:57:47 | luckyone | sweet |
| 22:57:47 | GolerGkA | media/H300/rockbox-devel/build |
| 22:58:00 | luckyone | well, rock on guys |
| 22:58:11 | luckyone | great work so far |
| 22:58:38 | luckyone | besides the forum, is there anywhere else I can keep up-to-date on the Sansa port of Rockbox? |
| 22:58:55 | GolerGkA | rasher: it's just a folder I made to do a build, as in the manual |
| 22:59:18 | Bagder | luckyone: the forum thread for the sansa is probably the single best place, but some stuff might happen on the dev list too |
| 22:59:19 | rasher | Full path please |
| 22:59:44 | rasher | Waitwaitwait |
| 22:59:49 | rasher | Are you building on your h300 |
| 22:59:53 | GolerGkA | yes |
| 22:59:56 | rasher | Don't |
| 22:59:56 | luckyone | Bagder: I think I read your name in the forum posts, are you working on the NAND read/write stuff? |
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| 23:00:02 | rasher | The FAT filesystem will mangle files |
| 23:00:04 | rasher | filenames |
| 23:00:13 | rasher | Specifically all caps filenames |
| 23:00:15 | GolerGkA | Ooh! That's the thing |
| 23:00:31 | GolerGkA | I know it. but I didn't think about that |
| 23:00:33 | Bagder | luckyone: I'm not writing the code, but I'm a hang-around. dan_a and barrywardell are the ones poking on the fs code |
| 23:00:33 | GolerGkA | THANX |
| 23:00:45 | GolerGkA | I'll try one more time |
| 23:01:09 | luckyone | Bagder: well, give them my best wishes, I will buy you guys some pizzas this weekend! |
| 23:01:28 | luckyone | Thanks for giving me hope for the aweful firmware on my Sansa! |
| 23:01:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:03:21 | GolerGkA | BTW is there any rockbox livejournal community? |
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| 23:07:45 | amiconn | Wee! |
| 23:08:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | Wee? |
| 23:08:47 | amiconn | New BMP loader now works like a charm. 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit BMPs. Correctly scaled dithering to 2 bit |
| 23:09:01 | amiconn | And I almost achieved my goal wrt code size |
| 23:09:21 | amiconn | Didn't touch dithering to 16 bit yet, that will be an extra commit |
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| 23:09:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: test any gradients? |
| 23:09:57 | amiconn | I used a gradient-rich backdrop |
| 23:10:36 | jhMikeS | I'd use one with the full 256 levels. There should be no bands of solid color wider than 1px. |
| 23:10:53 | amiconn | There won't be, guaranteed. |
| 23:13:29 | jhMikeS | I can see a signed matrix shouldn't be needed to get it that way |
| 23:13:43 | amiconn | No signed matrix |
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| 23:14:16 | amiconn | I adapted the generic formula (from lcd.h) which happens to contain a level shift of 127 for proper rounding |
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| 23:14:44 | amiconn | With dithering enabled, this constant level shift is replaced by one element of the dither matrix |
| 23:16:01 | jhMikeS | I just figure it for solid colors of 3*n/255 at 2-bit and a 85 level pos matrix would produce no aliasing of patterns |
| 23:16:53 | amiconn | The formula with correct rounding is (3*n +127)/255 |
| 23:17:31 | amiconn | Replace the 127 with the dither matrix element (canonical 16x16 matrix with values of 0..255, and you have the same thing dithered without any solid colour banding |
| 23:18:04 | amiconn | I just use ((3*n + levelshift) * 257) >> 16 to avoid the division |
| 23:19:55 | amiconn | But the best thing is that with all those features added, for h120 this is 4, 15,16 and 32 bit support and dithering, the code is still a few bytes smaller than the old one |
| 23:20:07 | amiconn | On recorder I exceeded my goal by 52 bytes |
| 23:20:37 | amiconn | h300 isn't final yet (old dithering), and on mini I get +160 bytes |
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| 23:20:59 | rasher | Wouldn't the h120 want 2 bit as well? (for remote) |
| 23:21:04 | rasher | eh, 1 bit |
| 23:21:11 | amiconn | That's automatic |
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| 23:21:24 | amiconn | But remote isn't supported yet |
| 23:21:37 | amiconn | ..other than FORMAT_MONO |
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| 23:21:49 | amiconn | This is another step |
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| 23:26:00 | jhMikeS | backdrops on a mono display aren't so good |
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| 23:27:47 | rasher | Rounded corners, Mac style! |
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| 23:35:22 | jhMikeS | figuring out all the paths in playback.c that lead to first buffer use after a stop sucks >:[ |
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