| 00:01:06 | rasher | But of course, it's mor of a workaround rather than a fix |
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| 00:05:45 | amiconn | I guess we have to allow 774 bytes for paths |
| 00:05:45 | PriceChild | Hello everyone |
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| 00:07:30 | rasher | And 255*3 for Filenames? |
| 00:07:45 | rasher | (in places where we can't simply use the shortname) |
| 00:07:49 | rasher | amiconn: In which cases does Rockbox _need_ to hold an entire path as UTF8? I can only think of a few. Filename entry with vkeyboard, in the WPS |
| 00:08:27 | amiconn | Well, we could go ucs-2 for internal paths (although that's ugly when needing to check lenghts etc) |
| 00:08:38 | amiconn | That would reduce requirements to 520 bytes per path |
| 00:10:26 | rasher | That seems sane, since we absolutely KNOW that pathnames are UCS-2 anyway |
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| 00:11:01 | PriceChild | Could anyone here help me with a few quick questions about my ipod/rockbox ? |
| 00:11:25 | bluebrother | PriceChild, maybe. Just ask. |
| 00:11:52 | rasher | It'd save conversion some places, and require it other places |
| 00:12:11 | PriceChild | Ok firstly... my ipod is now being wierd and mounting in windows/linux, but itunes and the ipod updater don't recognise it |
| 00:12:48 | PriceChild | I want to format it, and is it possible to just format the fat32 drive and it should still be fine? |
| 00:13:43 | preglow | rasher: if we want to crush all hope of ever supporting anything else than fat32, then yes |
| 00:14:09 | rasher | That's true |
| 00:14:31 | preglow | i don't like the idea of making higher level code too dependent on the low-level code |
| 00:14:49 | rasher | But 520 vs. 774 bytes for every path buffer in existence is potentially a lot |
| 00:14:55 | bluebrother | how about simply truncating long filenames? |
| 00:15:08 | preglow | we should support the full spec |
| 00:15:17 | rasher | bluebrother: That'd "work" for file creation, but not reading |
| 00:15:24 | preglow | rasher: are there really alot of global path buffers? |
| 00:15:26 | rasher | And yeah, I agree |
| 00:15:32 | rasher | preglow: No idea to be honest |
| 00:15:38 | preglow | i wouldn't expect there to be |
| 00:15:52 | bluebrother | of course we would need to wildcard-match such truncated entries ... |
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| 00:16:01 | preglow | but no, kiss |
| 00:16:09 | preglow | and we should support the spec, not do some wild hack |
| 00:16:13 | PriceChild | Anyone? |
| 00:16:14 | rasher | Anyway, a single MAX_PATH seems a bit simplistic. Wouldn't MAX_PATH_CHARACTERS and MAX_PATH_BYTES be more proper? |
| 00:16:22 | preglow | rasher: probably |
| 00:16:25 | bluebrother | PriceChild, I believe it's possible to reformat the drive, but afaik you'll need to run the apple restoration tool afterwards to get the bootloader back |
| 00:16:49 | PriceChild | bluebrother: isn't the bootloader on the other drive.... the flash one |
| 00:17:00 | preglow | PriceChild: parts of it are on the ifrst part of the hard drive |
| 00:17:04 | PriceChild | Ah ok |
| 00:17:05 | preglow | PriceChild: in an invisible partition |
| 00:17:14 | bluebrother | but I don't own an ipod, so don't blame me if it doesn't work. At least the restoration tool should be able to bring it back to apple-like life |
| 00:17:30 | PriceChild | which is the problem as the restoration tool isn't working... |
| 00:17:38 | preglow | PriceChild: then format the bigger partition |
| 00:17:39 | PriceChild | on my pc anyway |
| 00:17:42 | PriceChild | i'll try someone else's |
| 00:17:43 | preglow | PriceChild: then it should recognize it |
| 00:17:58 | PriceChild | Ahhhh ok... |
| 00:18:02 | PriceChild | so there's flash and harddrive |
| 00:18:04 | preglow | at least, i _think_ so |
| 00:18:11 | PriceChild | two partitions on the harddrive... |
| 00:18:14 | preglow | PriceChild: well, flash and harddrive, but you can't touch the flash anyway |
| 00:18:18 | PriceChild | yup |
| 00:18:25 | preglow | PriceChild: two partition, one small (60 ish megabytes) and hidden, then the large ordinary one |
| 00:18:33 | PriceChild | right ok |
| 00:18:42 | PriceChild | so should be able to format the large ordinary one. |
| 00:18:50 | preglow | PriceChild: you should try to never touch the first one, but it should be recovarable no matter what you do |
| 00:18:52 | PriceChild | grr GParted taking ages to load... |
| 00:18:59 | PriceChild | he he :) |
| 00:19:10 | preglow | i filled my nano with zeroes once, and recovered just fine |
| 00:19:37 | PriceChild | wierd... |
| 00:19:44 | PriceChild | Gparted shows my ipod as having only one disc.... |
| 00:19:54 | PriceChild | sorry |
| 00:19:56 | PriceChild | one partition |
| 00:20:07 | preglow | size? |
| 00:20:26 | PriceChild | closed it.... reopening lo |
| 00:20:27 | PriceChild | l |
| 00:21:00 | PriceChild | 55.90 Gb |
| 00:21:08 | PriceChild | whoops wrong ons |
| 00:21:10 | preglow | then that's not the system partition, heh |
| 00:21:13 | preglow | weird that it hides it anyway |
| 00:21:16 | PriceChild | 37.25 |
| 00:21:18 | PriceChild | Gb |
| 00:21:19 | preglow | i would have thought it displayed it for sure |
| 00:21:35 | bluebrother | maybe gparted hides hidden partitions? I'd try fdisk |
| 00:21:40 | PriceChild | GParted is only showing /dev/sda1 at 37.25 |
| 00:21:47 | PriceChild | it should at least show the space |
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| 00:22:18 | bluebrother | hmm. Is gparted pointing to sda1, not sda? |
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| 00:22:22 | preglow | cfdisk displays it for sure |
| 00:22:36 | PriceChild | fdisk: Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel |
| 00:22:38 | preglow | PriceChild: though it does display it as free space |
| 00:22:42 | preglow | PriceChild: not as a partition |
| 00:22:44 | pixelma | bluebrother: I have a very specific question about a description in the manual and the best way to write the latex code for it... |
| 00:22:57 | PriceChild | nope its a partition of 37.xx Gb |
| 00:23:00 | preglow | PriceChild: perhaps that's what gparted does as well |
| 00:23:01 | PriceChild | all used in /dev/sda1 |
| 00:23:09 | PriceChild | shows what is free and used |
| 00:23:14 | preglow | PriceChild: no free spacE? |
| 00:23:17 | PriceChild | nope |
| 00:23:17 | bluebrother | pixelma, let's hear and see if I can help ;-) |
| 00:23:20 | preglow | PriceChild: well, weird |
| 00:23:27 | preglow | PriceChild: no ipod should be set up like that and be working |
| 00:23:33 | PriceChild | maybe this is something to do with why itunes/ipod won't notice it.... |
| 00:23:38 | PriceChild | *itunes/updater |
| 00:23:47 | * | PriceChild unmounts and checks |
| 00:24:01 | preglow | PriceChild: i think the updater should recognize it as long as windows sees the partition and can use it |
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| 00:24:17 | preglow | don't know what actual method of detection it uses, though |
| 00:24:47 | PriceChild | unmounted it |
| 00:24:50 | PriceChild | now resetting |
| 00:24:55 | PriceChild | its booting... |
| 00:24:59 | PriceChild | booted |
| 00:25:01 | PriceChild | all is still fine |
| 00:25:54 | PriceChild | aha..... |
| 00:25:56 | PriceChild | here we go... |
| 00:26:01 | PriceChild | /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty |
| 00:26:01 | PriceChild | /dev/sda2 6 4863 39021885 b W95 FAT32 |
| 00:26:36 | PriceChild | i must have typed /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda instead lol.... |
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| 00:26:39 | PriceChild | who knows |
| 00:26:52 | PriceChild | still annoying how gparted doesn't display it |
| 00:27:34 | PriceChild | Hmmm I'm just going to pop into windows and see if i can restore it again |
| 00:27:35 | PriceChild | brb |
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| 01:00:39 | PriceChild | Figured out why my ipod wouldn't restore :) |
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| 01:01:31 | PriceChild | Windows was assigning my ipod "C" as a label |
| 01:01:36 | PriceChild | so changed it to G and all worked fien |
| 01:01:38 | PriceChild | *fine |
| 01:01:55 | rasher | amiconn: Do you have time to look at a small patch to fat.c? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6358 - Check for illegal chars on filename creation |
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| 01:03:11 | Martian67 | PriceChild: yea it does that sometimes |
| 01:03:13 | Martian67 | irritating |
| 01:03:28 | PriceChild | Rockbox or Linux for Ipod? |
| 01:03:30 | PriceChild | :P |
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| 01:05:44 | JdGordon | rasher: it looks fine, excpet is there a faster way to do it? doesnt that slow down disk access? |
| 01:05:54 | JdGordon | well, file opening anway |
| 01:06:33 | rasher | The check is only done when creating new fat entries |
| 01:06:37 | rasher | Which should be rarely |
| 01:06:48 | JdGordon | oh ok |
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| 01:07:21 | rasher | I'm starting to think that error messages should display the return code of whatever it was that failed |
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| 01:07:40 | rasher | So a filecreation failed it would say "Failed (-32)" rather than just "Failed" |
| 01:07:57 | JdGordon | proabbly |
| 01:08:08 | rasher | There could be a lookup table somewhere of the most often encountered ones |
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| 01:10:14 | amiconn | rasher: Why not use strchr() ? |
| 01:10:35 | rasher | Ah, I'm not terribly familiar with which functions exist |
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| 01:10:53 | rasher | I'll do that |
| 01:11:06 | JdGordon | wouldnt strchr() for each illegal char be slower? |
| 01:11:15 | Terinjokes | does anyone know if http://ipodlinux.org/Nano_1G_1.2 will work for rockbox? (i just installed IPL, i STILL hate it) |
| 01:11:20 | amiconn | No, it would be equally fast or faster |
| 01:11:44 | amiconn | (depending on how optimised strchr() is on the platform) |
| 01:11:52 | JdGordon | does strchr allow you to give mroe than 1 char to look for? |
| 01:12:33 | rasher | I don't see any situations where speed is terribly important in this case, really |
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| 01:13:34 | amiconn | No, but strchr() is available, so why not use it? |
| 01:13:41 | rasher | Of course, and I will |
| 01:15:54 | rasher | Saves a looping variable |
| 01:17:09 | rasher | strchr returns what, a char * to the character's position in the string? |
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| 01:17:32 | amiconn | Yes, or NULL if not found |
| 01:17:40 | keilj | hey there everyone |
| 01:19:35 | keilj | i have a problem, it deosnt relate to rockbox but im hoping i can get a quick answer as im going away in two days |
| 01:19:50 | keilj | my h320 wont turn on or charge and will not connect to my computer |
| 01:20:05 | keilj | it was working fine 2 days ago |
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| 01:20:52 | keilj | i plugged it into my cousins computer and transfered music to it but eh battery was low so i once i finished it i unplugged it and turned it off |
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| 01:41:13 | rasher | Okay, changed to use strchr instead, and it seems to work on target |
| 01:41:18 | rasher | h120 |
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| 01:47:39 | t0dk0n | O |
| 01:47:59 | t0dk0n | I'm curious if it would be possible for Apple to finally close the whole bootpartition.bin thing down |
| 01:48:50 | t0dk0n | like could they make it impossible to extract it? or would they be nice enough to allow all the hard work of Rockbox and iPod Linux devs continue? |
| 01:48:51 | t0dk0n | lol |
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| 01:51:08 | Soap | if it can't be extracted from the hard drive, how would the hardware use it? |
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| 01:51:39 | amiconn | Soap: The firmware could lock access to the bootpartition via USB |
| 01:51:44 | t0dk0n | well, they could put some sort of DRM lock on it |
| 01:51:58 | t0dk0n | :( |
| 01:52:03 | amiconn | USB is software on ipods |
| 01:52:08 | t0dk0n | amiconn: what about the disc mode? |
| 01:52:14 | Soap | then you could simply remove the hard drive for extraction, amiconn. |
| 01:52:16 | t0dk0n | can the lock access? |
| 01:52:36 | Soap | a DRM lock is fine, but the key must be on the player somewhere. |
| 01:52:42 | rasher | Soap: I think that would discourage most users |
| 01:52:50 | rasher | Having to remove the harddrive, that is |
| 01:53:03 | rasher | But let's not give them any ideas, now |
| 01:53:06 | Soap | I was addressing the "impossible" |
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| 01:53:41 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 01:53:49 | rasher | I don't think any company worries much about "possible". "easy" is what most would try to avoid. |
| 01:54:39 | t0dk0n | hehe |
| 01:54:54 | t0dk0n | We should build an open standards media player |
| 01:54:59 | t0dk0n | that ships with rockbox |
| 01:55:56 | Soap | and is the size of a brick. |
| 01:56:16 | rasher | It's been discussed, but it's not an easy game to get into |
| 01:56:51 | Soap | inexpensive, limited production, small - pick two |
| 01:57:23 | Soap | and when I say inexpensive, I do literally mean sub-$1000 |
| 01:58:07 | rasher | The closest is the Neuros, but they're going to be using a TI dsp with binary codecs which isn't very open-like |
| 01:58:33 | rasher | Rockbox could run on it fine (since it has an arm cpu), but wouldn't be able to use the dsp |
| 01:59:12 | rasher | Unless the dsp works like the MAS, and the binary blobs are redistributable |
| 01:59:15 | amiconn | The irivers are fairly open. At least all the chips are documented |
| 01:59:30 | amiconn | I mean H1x0 and H300 |
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| 02:00:05 | t0dk0n | damn |
| 02:00:21 | t0dk0n | well, bahumbug with discouragement |
| 02:00:39 | t0dk0n | we should still make one, then market it to people that want full control |
| 02:00:45 | t0dk0n | we make profit, then produce more |
| 02:00:50 | t0dk0n | like that GP2X |
| 02:01:02 | t0dk0n | its been pretty successful for an open platform |
| 02:01:23 | rasher | Maybe they could make it |
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| 02:04:27 | a12ctic | hello |
| 02:04:38 | t0dk0n | hallo |
| 02:04:53 | a12ctic | does anybody know how well the e200 series sansa port is going? |
| 02:05:59 | rasher | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.0 |
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| 02:09:17 | shrimants | hi, is it possible for the ipod firmware to be completely removed and only rockbox being used? |
| 02:10:11 | t0dk0n | lo |
| 02:10:33 | preglow | yes |
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| 02:10:42 | rasher | Why does the default vkeyboard not have a colon? |
| 02:10:53 | rasher | (nor a backslash) |
| 02:11:12 | * | preglow votes for an anatomically correct vkeyboard |
| 02:11:24 | JdGordon | haha |
| 02:11:32 | rasher | I vote for Speech-to-text |
| 02:11:39 | preglow | rasher: i bet it's because they're not allowed in file names |
| 02:12:15 | rasher | But neither is <, > and a few others. And the vkeyboard is used for more than filename input |
| 02:12:22 | rasher | (at least the text editor if nothing else) |
| 02:12:32 | preglow | rasher: in norwegian, they come last |
| 02:12:37 | JdGordon | there is a nice qwerty keyboard on the tracker |
| 02:12:56 | preglow | in this order: æøå |
| 02:13:13 | rasher | preglow: I'm guessing the same for swedish then, except they don't have ø |
| 02:13:31 | rasher | Let's see what the submitter says, I'm not going to decipher that block of numbers |
| 02:14:14 | preglow | rasher: in swedish it's pretty different,can't remember the specifics |
| 02:14:19 | rasher | Ah, okay |
| 02:14:37 | rasher | Everyone should just use IPA |
| 02:14:44 | preglow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_alphabet |
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| 02:15:09 | rasher | Ah, they'll be in for a surprise if that patch is adopted |
| 02:15:13 | preglow | amiconn: what's up with gcc not optimising those divs to shifts by default? |
| 02:15:32 | rasher | (probably part of the reason the sorting is as it is) |
| 02:15:45 | amiconn | It does... but division is slightly different from pure shifts |
| 02:15:52 | amiconn | (for signed variables) |
| 02:16:03 | preglow | how? |
| 02:16:17 | shrimants | how do i delete the ipod firmware? |
| 02:16:21 | amiconn | Well, I didn't check the code before my change |
| 02:16:23 | shrimants | and then how do i restore it? |
| 02:16:36 | amiconn | But I observed a shrink in code size, varying by architecture |
| 02:16:54 | amiconn | -64 byte on recorder, -28 byte on h140 and -152 byte on mini2g |
| 02:17:39 | rasher | How much are the archoses over rombox limit? |
| 02:17:43 | scorche | shrimants: why do you want to...typically it is not worth the effort to do so unless you are just exploring the possibility, etc |
| 02:18:03 | amiconn | rasher: Varies by target... recorder is around 2700 bytes over limit, fm/v2 way more |
| 02:18:25 | rasher | preglow: "Aa is treated like Ã… in alphabetical sorting, not like two adjacent letters A." ah yes, let's see Rockbox handle this.. |
| 02:18:38 | preglow | rasher: same rule applies in norwegian, heh |
| 02:19:20 | preglow | go embedded software size constraints |
| 02:19:39 | hachi | this discussion scares me... does rockbox with character ranges like japanese? |
| 02:19:59 | rasher | Gnome and Windows does this on sorting. Freaks me out everytime, because it's usually not meant as an Ã…. |
| 02:20:07 | shrimants | scorche: i was just wondering the same thing lol. it was something i am curios in, but i was gonna just use default loader to load into rockbox automatically instead of loader2 |
| 02:20:19 | rasher | hachi: I don't understand the question |
| 02:20:36 | shrimants | my plan was to just delete the fw so i had nothing but rockbox, but then thats a stupid idea |
| 02:20:47 | hachi | does rockbox only grok Latin-* character sets, or does it possibly operate on UTF-8 or what? |
| 02:20:59 | amiconn | utf-8 |
| 02:21:00 | rasher | Rockbox is mostly UTF8 |
| 02:21:01 | hachi | basically... will my japanese show up properly at all? |
| 02:21:03 | hachi | ahh |
| 02:21:05 | hachi | thanks |
| 02:21:20 | amiconn | For tags, you can select another codepage |
| 02:21:24 | Galois | there's a page explaining unicode and stuff |
| 02:21:44 | Galois | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
| 02:21:50 | hachi | Galois: thanks... I'll take a peek when it starts working on the ipod 5.5G :) |
| 02:21:56 | rasher | Filenames should be UTF8. Tags can be a number of codepages, but should all be the same codepage, at least. |
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| 02:23:11 | rasher | How well do other firmwares work with utf8 and "strange" tags? |
| 02:23:22 | rasher | I'm guessing: not very |
| 02:23:24 | amiconn | preglow: Division is a bit different for negative numbers because of rounding |
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| 02:23:39 | hachi | rasher: when you say 'other firmwares' what do you mean? |
| 02:23:42 | amiconn | E.g. -3 equals 111.....111101 |
| 02:23:43 | hachi | apple's firmware? |
| 02:23:56 | amiconn | Division by 2 should yield 1 in integer arithmetic, |
| 02:23:59 | rasher | hachi: For example, Iriver original firmware, Creative, etc. |
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| 02:24:20 | amiconn | but arithmetic right shift gives 111....11110, which is -2 |
| 02:24:22 | hachi | apple ipod works perfectly for me in japanese and english at the same time |
| 02:24:26 | Soap | UTF-8 tags don't work on my DVD player nor my in-dash player. |
| 02:24:43 | hachi | I'm pretty sure it alwas worked as well, from gen 1 on |
| 02:25:09 | rasher | Ipods have the advantage of Itunes being able to sanitize the tags |
| 02:25:23 | rasher | (don't know if it does, but it's certainly a possibility) |
| 02:25:36 | amiconn | ...and insanitize the filenames ;| |
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| 02:25:46 | hachi | heh |
| 02:25:50 | rasher | Yeah, that still weirds me out |
| 02:26:10 | rasher | It seems so amazingly arbitrary |
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| 02:28:11 | hachi | oh shoot, I wish I had backed up my whole ipod before the first time I used it |
| 02:29:45 | shrimants | how do i uninstall Loader 2 and switch to the default rockbox loader? there is an uninstaller, is there not? |
| 02:31:31 | shrimants | wait nvm, i'll just reformat |
| 02:31:34 | shrimants | thnx anyways |
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| 02:32:53 | Terinjokes | anyone have problems playing a file that 6 hours long? |
| 02:34:43 | rasher | How large is it? (I don't know if that matters, but just to get some more information) |
| 02:35:23 | Terinjokes | 42MB, it's an audiobook |
| 02:36:04 | Terinjokes | and is there anyway to force rockbox to play m4b files? its not protected, just has that extention (thanks iTunes!) |
| 02:37:02 | rasher | What is your problem with playing it? |
| 02:38:26 | Terinjokes | it just freezes up (after i change the extention to m4a), i have to reboot it |
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| 02:41:00 | rasher | What bitrate/samplerate is it? Mono or stereo? |
| 02:41:12 | rasher | and sampledepth as well |
| 02:41:30 | Terinjokes | 16kbps mono |
| 02:41:58 | Terinjokes | 22.050kHz |
| 02:42:41 | rasher | Yeah, I really have no idea, but I know that the m4a metadata parser is somewhat fragile |
| 02:42:45 | rasher | So that might be the problem |
| 02:43:16 | rasher | Also, if it ever does play, it'll probably play at double speed (m4a doesn't seem to get resampled, for some reason) |
| 02:43:34 | Terinjokes | its just a simple ACC file that got renamed with a .m4b so it shows up as a Audiobook |
| 02:43:45 | Terinjokes | in iTunes |
| 02:44:11 | rasher | When you say "simple AAC" file, do you literally mean a .aac file? |
| 02:44:17 | rasher | In no container.. |
| 02:45:14 | Terinjokes | i used iTunes to convert the project gutenberg mp3 files to ACC |
| 02:46:09 | rasher | ah, that'd probably be in a .m4a container then |
| 02:47:21 | Terinjokes | probably |
| 02:48:33 | rasher | Not that this isn't a real problem, but why not use the mp3? |
| 02:49:20 | Terinjokes | i liked it to display in the audiobooks section in itunes |
| 02:50:25 | rasher | Fair enough (except for the part where itunes requires audiobooks to be "m4b") |
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| 02:51:13 | Terinjokes | yeah...i figured rockbox would *attempt* to play those files, and simply skip over the protected ones |
| 02:51:28 | Terinjokes | but it just skips all m4b files |
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| 02:54:24 | rasher | Is m4b even listed as a supported extension? |
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| 03:15:45 | rasher | JdGordon: where's that qwerty keyboard? |
| 03:19:46 | ze | qwerty? |
| 03:19:58 | ze | aren't letter layouts optimized for limit-input devices? |
| 03:20:04 | ze | limited-input rather |
| 03:20:13 | ze | something like dvorak, but better if you only have 4 buttons or whatever |
| 03:20:13 | ze | heh |
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| 03:20:32 | ze | s/aren't letter/aren't THERE letter/ |
| 03:20:33 | ze | blah |
| 03:20:33 | ze | :p |
| 03:21:32 | rasher | Could be. Someone should port dasher to Rockbox |
| 03:25:12 | rasher | Though I don't know how well dasher deals with limited environments |
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| 03:40:34 | hachi | can't we just hook up a usb keyboard to these devices :) |
| 03:41:08 | rasher | Some devices could in theory |
| 03:43:10 | Soap | the ones with USB host, or through the ipod's serial port. |
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| 03:46:21 | hachi | okay, it's time for me to try and install your magical bootloader and see what I come up with |
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| 04:03:14 | PriceChild | Just wanted to mention i've got rockbox going and its pretty cool :) |
| 04:03:23 | PriceChild | Just gotta get used to using playlists |
| 04:08:32 | t0dk0n | you can turn tagcache on |
| 04:08:58 | t0dk0n | so it has "artists", "genres", "albums", etc and some other cool features |
| 04:09:06 | t0dk0n | like "last played", "most played", etc |
| 04:09:30 | t0dk0n | instead of looking through individual confusing files ;) |
| 04:10:12 | t0dk0n | PriceChild: what media player are you using it on? |
| 04:10:37 | PriceChild | ipod 4g b/w |
| 04:10:49 | PriceChild | Yeah i sorted out tag cache :) |
| 04:11:18 | t0dk0n | ah, alright |
| 04:11:35 | PriceChild | It looks very good, so many more features |
| 04:11:39 | t0dk0n | I thought you meant playlists as in you only can access files :P |
| 04:11:41 | t0dk0n | haha yeah |
| 04:11:43 | PriceChild | plus i can play doom.... |
| 04:11:46 | t0dk0n | Doom is sweet ^_^^ |
| 04:11:48 | t0dk0n | yup |
| 04:11:52 | PriceChild | ha ha :) |
| 04:11:55 | t0dk0n | not so good on the battery though T_T |
| 04:12:01 | PriceChild | i'll have to dig my cds out to get the wads on there |
| 04:12:09 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 04:12:15 | PriceChild | as in doom or rockbox isn't too good for it? |
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| 04:12:46 | t0dk0n | doom on rockbox isn't good for the battery |
| 04:12:49 | t0dk0n | goes out within an hour |
| 04:12:49 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 04:12:51 | PriceChild | he he k |
| 04:13:01 | PriceChild | the only thing that i think is letting it down is the interface |
| 04:13:02 | t0dk0n | on my 5g ipod anyway |
| 04:13:11 | t0dk0n | did you theme it yet? |
| 04:13:20 | t0dk0n | the interface is quite nice, to me anyway |
| 04:13:21 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 04:13:23 | PriceChild | Its just not intuititive enough... things are arranged strangely |
| 04:13:32 | t0dk0n | ah, you get used to it :P |
| 04:13:37 | PriceChild | I've just got hte standard "boxes" on atm |
| 04:14:06 | t0dk0n | I use Linux, so its really easy to adapt to weird new concepts |
| 04:14:11 | scorche | PriceChild: we are always open to suggestions... |
| 04:14:14 | PriceChild | yeah i'm on linux atm |
| 04:14:25 | PriceChild | "atm" = forever |
| 04:14:28 | Strogg | I'll play doom on my ipod when I can get a usb mouse working. hehe |
| 04:14:29 | t0dk0n | awesome :), thats the way to go man |
| 04:14:42 | PriceChild | scorche: hehe :) |
| 04:14:47 | PriceChild | what flavour you use? |
| 04:14:50 | PriceChild | I'm on Ubuntu |
| 04:14:56 | t0dk0n | Zenwalk for me |
| 04:15:03 | PriceChild | which is probably pointed out by the way i asked what "flavour".... lol |
| 04:15:11 | t0dk0n | haha yeah |
| 04:15:14 | t0dk0n | I just say distro ^_^ |
| 04:15:21 | PriceChild | its just coffee orientated |
| 04:15:29 | PriceChild | the forums anyway |
| 04:15:41 | PriceChild | And i happen to spend a large amount of time on those forums |
| 04:15:55 | PriceChild | how come my dynamic playlists don't work |
| 04:15:55 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 04:16:00 | PriceChild | like tracks played already? |
| 04:16:01 | PriceChild | etc. |
| 04:16:09 | t0dk0n | hmm, same for me |
| 04:16:14 | PriceChild | http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=43712 :P quite a lot lol.... |
| 04:16:16 | t0dk0n | maybe its been frozen for the moment |
| 04:16:20 | PriceChild | ah so its not just me :D; |
| 04:16:54 | t0dk0n | damn, lots of posts haha |
| 04:17:06 | t0dk0n | I think you've helped me before when I used to use Ubuntu :P |
| 04:17:10 | t0dk0n | last year |
| 04:17:15 | t0dk0n | I recall your alias |
| 04:17:19 | PriceChild | cool :) |
| 04:17:27 | PriceChild | I got invited to staff last month :D |
| 04:17:35 | t0dk0n | nice |
| 04:20:50 | PriceChild | just isntalled fonts |
| 04:23:16 | PriceChild | just found a much nicer font for me :) |
| 04:23:22 | PriceChild | makes everything loads better :) |
| 04:23:40 | t0dk0n | haha, which font? |
| 04:24:08 | PriceChild | 6+12x13 |
| 04:24:14 | PriceChild | hmmm but now doesn't fit in with theme |
| 04:25:35 | Strogg | I like chicago. hehe |
| 04:25:39 | PriceChild | themes work properly now that i've installed fonts |
| 04:26:07 | PriceChild | are there any more themes out there? |
| 04:28:12 | scorche | the wiki wpsgallery and rockbox-themes.org are the main places for themes |
| 04:28:28 | PriceChild | uuu nice thanks |
| 04:28:47 | PriceChild | anyway night night |
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| 04:31:31 | hachi | I don't get it, does the ipod detect changes to it's mbr and reboot automatically when they happen? |
| 04:31:52 | hachi | I swear it's done that to me twice now |
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| 05:05:24 | t0dk0n | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.0 |
| 05:05:26 | t0dk0n | LMFAO |
| 05:05:56 | scorche | no kidding... |
| 05:06:54 | hachi | it might cackle and screech a bit |
| 05:07:03 | goffa | so i take it that's a no? |
| 05:07:05 | goffa | lol |
| 05:07:16 | hachi | maybe a doom3 wad laughs at you if you try and run it in a doom 2 interpreter |
| 05:07:41 | t0dk0n | I don't even think Doom3 has a wad :P |
| 05:08:02 | hachi | ahh |
| 05:08:17 | hachi | see, I wouldn't know... being that I spend all my time coding |
| 05:08:25 | hachi | ... and irc |
| 05:08:33 | t0dk0n | its just a new franchise sucking off the success of its predecessors |
| 05:09:07 | t0dk0n | Do you code for Rockbox? |
| 05:09:19 | hachi | not at the moment |
| 05:09:24 | t0dk0n | ahh |
| 05:09:29 | t0dk0n | just in general then, huh? |
| 05:09:40 | t0dk0n | *nix? |
| 05:09:47 | hachi | I just bought an 80GB ipod yesterday... wanting to get rockbo working on it |
| 05:09:56 | hachi | yeah... *nix, mostly perl |
| 05:10:05 | t0dk0n | haha, I code Perl as well |
| 05:10:15 | t0dk0n | and some C |
| 05:10:42 | t0dk0n | python and ruby, I'm learning |
| 05:11:34 | hachi | my current job only asks perl of me... lots of IPC in perl |
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| 05:13:17 | t0dk0n | ahh, kick ass job |
| 05:13:30 | t0dk0n | I wanna a job to just code perl :( |
| 05:13:30 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 05:14:24 | * | scorche thinks about coming and reminding certain people of the non-social nature of this channel |
| 05:14:36 | * | scorche thinks that just an emote about thinking about it will do the trick |
| 05:17:36 | goffa | whip crakcing? |
| 05:17:47 | goffa | cracking |
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| 05:23:10 | yipe | YAY! I figure out why my ipod keeps freezing with rockbox! (I think) |
| 05:23:51 | t0dk0n | why's that? |
| 05:27:37 | yipe | well, for one thing the directory limit was set to some huge number (however high it goes) |
| 05:28:04 | yipe | I'm guessing all that memory being saved for directory listings was causing the trouble, at least I hope so |
| 05:28:08 | hachi | WTF... linux on this machine swears that the ipod can't communicated with it properly... device doesn't accept an address |
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| 05:32:15 | t0dk0n | hehe |
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| 05:40:11 | t0dk0n | laters |
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| 05:40:37 | scorche | what the hell? |
| 05:40:57 | scorche | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.msg58285 |
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| 06:04:40 | hachi | bleh... loader2 |
| 06:25:13 | daurnimator | "A Unix saleslady named Lenore / She liked her work but liked the beach more / so now she sells C shells by the sea shore" |
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| 06:28:56 | hachi | numbnuts... someone took toolchain out of debian testing |
| 06:29:09 | hachi | does anyone actually use C shell ? :) |
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| 06:49:20 | t0dk0n | What is the "BMP loader"? |
| 06:49:29 | t0dk0n | is that like Beep-media-player? :P |
| 06:50:31 | JdGordon | are you stupid or just looking for attention? |
| 06:50:37 | t0dk0n | neither |
| 06:50:45 | t0dk0n | I seriously don't know what BMP stands for |
| 06:50:53 | JdGordon | no, its one or the other or both... |
| 06:51:06 | JdGordon | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=bmp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:51:08 | t0dk0n | fine, I'm ignorant, but ot stupid |
| 06:51:12 | t0dk0n | not* |
| 06:51:23 | t0dk0n | ah okay, nevermind, I am stupid ^_^ |
| 06:51:31 | scorche | <3 JdGordon |
| 06:51:34 | t0dk0n | I don't know why I saw past that |
| 06:52:26 | t0dk0n | haha, beep media player was the fifth result though :) |
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| 07:02:52 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm working on the menus. I want to add real values with or without external arrays and with or without automatic rounding. Same macro in either case. I need more data types than int though in the union. |
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| 07:06:10 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: more data than int? |
| 07:06:18 | jhMikeS | need unsigned longs |
| 07:06:43 | JdGordon | iirc long == int on al targets, but it should be easy enough to add |
| 07:07:07 | jhMikeS | I can see that CHOICE_ITEM should just be able to take a real default and a list or real values |
| 07:08:05 | jhMikeS | or a pointer to an array in place of the values where the ... is |
| 07:09:03 | hachi | I'm getting transfer rates of like 120kB/s to my brand new 80GB ipod... so sad |
| 07:10:02 | jhMikeS | where __VA_ARGS__ is "value1, value2, value3..." or just "my_array" |
| 07:10:38 | JdGordon | ye |
| 07:10:44 | * | JdGordon is a bit preocupied atm... |
| 07:11:14 | JdGordon | what do you need to save? |
| 07:12:19 | jhMikeS | Could just add RVCHOICE_ITEM where the _INT(__VA_ARGS__) part is just __VA_ARGS__ |
| 07:12:33 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: sample rates and encoder setting like the bitrate |
| 07:12:38 | JdGordon | yeah, thatll work |
| 07:12:46 | JdGordon | how are they saved i mean |
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| 07:13:44 | jhMikeS | could then use _INT(value1, value2, ...) explicitly in the macro |
| 07:14:25 | jhMikeS | if you want :). have to set the F_STOREREALVALUE flag though right? |
| 07:15:10 | jhMikeS | might add a F_ROUNDTOLIST which call round_value_to_list |
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| 07:16:12 | hachi | do any of the ipod port hackers hang out on here? |
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| 07:17:49 | jhMikeS | guess I can just use uint and not add a new type |
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| 07:19:33 | skipinschool | hey, does anybody know where i can find the original updated firmware for my 30gig video iPod |
| 07:19:37 | skipinschool | without restoring |
| 07:19:58 | skipinschool | better yet, not find.... but download |
| 07:20:55 | scorche | google.com should have some links ;) |
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| 07:25:40 | skipinschool | ok |
| 07:27:01 | ipl | I have an iPod 20GB Photo, although it is not specifically listed as supported. |
| 07:27:09 | ipl | Is it safe to assume that it is? |
| 07:29:07 | scorche | it is listed as supported... |
| 07:29:52 | ipl | They list a 30GB color/photo as supported. |
| 07:30:05 | ipl | But mine is simply a 20GB Photo |
| 07:30:31 | ipl | I have Rockbox installed and it is working, but I am having some issues. |
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| 07:30:52 | scorche | and what are those? |
| 07:31:52 | ipl | The hard drive light will flash and the music will drop out for a couple of seonds and then come back. It will do it a few times during the course of a known good mp3 file |
| 07:32:05 | ipl | It also locks up with a data message from time to time |
| 07:32:36 | scorche | what WPS are you using? |
| 07:32:54 | ipl | I have the current build if that is what you are asking? |
| 07:33:17 | scorche | WPS = While Playing Screen |
| 07:33:17 | ipl | Is there a known good level I should grab? |
| 07:34:16 | ipl | Is that the same as the theme? Sorry, I don't know the terms yet. |
| 07:34:25 | scorche | yes |
| 07:34:31 | scorche | pretty much |
| 07:34:47 | ipl | icatcher |
| 07:35:05 | ipl | and I downloaded the fonts and did change to a larger one |
| 07:35:35 | scorche | are you using the crossfeed and/or the EQ? |
| 07:35:58 | ipl | not yet. Everything is set to default except the theme/font |
| 07:37:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | What kinda player? |
| 07:37:22 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: heh...i had nothing to say to the guy... |
| 07:37:32 | scorche | <ipl> I have an iPod 20GB Photo |
| 07:38:39 | scorche | ipl: also, for the freezes, try this build http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 |
| 07:38:58 | skipinschool | eerr... i cant find any 1.2 firmware to redownload back on my pod |
| 07:39:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Is his audio thread screen showing the PCM buffer emptying, or both it AND the compressed? |
| 07:39:43 | scorche | skipinschool: honestly, we dont care about the ipod firmware |
| 07:39:58 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: no idea...havent gotten that far in the conversation |
| 07:40:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | skipinschool: If you kept your bootpartition.bin, you can use that to uninstall. |
| 07:40:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Gotcha. |
| 07:40:21 | skipinschool | i understand.... |
| 07:40:30 | * | scorche resumes his movie |
| 07:40:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was just stopping by to let everyone know I'm not going to be around so much for the next week. I'll still read every post in the forums, but I may only be checking once a day, what with holidays, and a Wii, and all that. |
| 07:40:42 | skipinschool | but i believe i erased the iPod OS |
| 07:40:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | skipinschool: The bootpartition.bin that you backed up contains it. |
| 07:40:56 | scorche | you got a wii? =) |
| 07:41:18 | * | Paul_the_Nerd points to the "the_Nerd" part of his name. |
| 07:41:29 | scorche | i want one, but no funds for one atm =( |
| 07:41:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah |
| 07:41:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | I've been putting a bit aside each month since January |
| 07:42:13 | scorche | to do that, you have to have a flow to partition off of... |
| 07:42:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is true |
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| 07:45:16 | ipl | ok, I will try the build you have suggested. Any other tips, or things i should avoid? |
| 07:45:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Avoid peakmeters, use the minimum number of bands on the EQ you can and still have it sound good |
| 07:45:54 | t0dk0n | Can I mention something off topic, but for all users of open source, and Linux? |
| 07:46:17 | t0dk0n | http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/11/17/ballmer/index.php |
| 07:46:23 | t0dk0n | that is all :P |
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| 07:46:45 | scorche | no you cant =P |
| 07:46:50 | t0dk0n | awww |
| 07:47:26 | scorche | and if you were to link that story, at least include one with the actual transcript |
| 07:47:30 | scorche | now shoo! ;) |
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| 07:48:15 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 07:48:27 | t0dk0n | I pull my rockbox weight around too though :'( |
| 07:51:52 | hachi | whe the heck will the world start supporting openid? |
| 07:52:00 | hachi | I'm tired of signing up for accounts on forums |
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| 07:53:29 | t0dk0n | haha yeah, it needs to be promoted more |
| 07:53:35 | * | scorche sighs |
| 07:54:12 | t0dk0n | argh, at least I'm not trolling, I just get off topic... a lot =/ |
| 07:54:15 | hachi | my job's product already supports it... supported it from like day one :) |
| 07:54:54 | ipl | Looking at the link for the no frequency scaling builds, do I need or want to use his bootloader? |
| 07:56:02 | scorche | no |
| 07:56:22 | scorche | all it does is loads OR by default instead of rockbox |
| 07:56:45 | ipl | Ok, so just yank down his three zip files and and unzip them? Should I wipe out my .rockbox directory first? |
| 07:57:08 | scorche | all you need is the rockbox-20061119-color-noscaling.zip |
| 07:57:19 | scorche | and then install just like you do with regular builds |
| 07:57:48 | ipl | Being that I have only done one build thus far, I am assuming I can just unzip over the top and overwrite? |
| 07:58:03 | scorche | yes |
| 07:58:08 | ipl | Ok, last question. |
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| 07:59:08 | ipl | I got into a wierd loop when I tried to charge my iPod using a standalone charger. It boots with the Apple/slash, and then rockbox loads and I see a usb logo flash, and it repeats the process over and over. |
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| 08:11:11 | ipl | I must have missed something. I loaded the cpu scaling patch and now all I get is white noise. |
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| 08:21:44 | jhMikeS | heh. I have real values working with 3 lines of code :P |
| 08:21:58 | JdGordon | :) |
| 08:22:08 | JdGordon | wasnt the code i did working? |
| 08:22:29 | jhMikeS | more complicated |
| 08:22:37 | JdGordon | ok |
| 08:22:39 | jhMikeS | RVCHOICE_ITEM(F_T_UINT | F_RV_ROUNDTOLIST, rec_sampr, LANG_RECORDING_FREQUENCY, |
| 08:22:39 | jhMikeS | "rec samplerate" REC_FREQ_CFG_VAL_LIST, REC_SAMPR_DEFAULT, |
| 08:22:39 | jhMikeS | NULL, REC_NUM_FREQ, _INTARR(rec_freq_sampr)), |
| 08:23:02 | JdGordon | yuk :p im glad this only needs to be done once |
| 08:23:04 | jhMikeS | that's it with a dynamic menu |
| 08:23:10 | JdGordon | great |
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| 08:28:05 | jhMikeS | the _INTARR(array) part can also be _INTLIST(VAL1, VAL2, ...) for no explict separate array needed |
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| 08:36:02 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: why is the cursor so slow with the patch? it takes about 1/2 second to go from selection to selection in the menus now on my x5 |
| 08:36:37 | JdGordon | all menus? |
| 08:36:46 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 08:36:52 | JdGordon | possibly because the way dynamic menus are done... |
| 08:37:01 | JdGordon | have you got voice on? |
| 08:37:04 | jhMikeS | no |
| 08:37:22 | JdGordon | hmm.. ok |
| 08:37:28 | jhMikeS | didn't even have a voice file. even with voice it was the same speed |
| 08:37:45 | JdGordon | you mean up/down in the menu, not into submenus? |
| 08:37:51 | jhMikeS | iiow voice didn't slow it much |
| 08:37:55 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 08:38:05 | JdGordon | ok |
| 08:38:30 | JdGordon | its either dynamic menus being sucky, or it saving our settings every time (which it shouldnt be) |
| 08:39:07 | jhMikeS | I don't think the drive was spinning all the time. I'll check. |
| 08:40:46 | jhMikeS | hmmm...for some reason it looks faster now or I'm getting used to it ;) |
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| 08:42:13 | Jungti1234 | whw |
| 08:42:18 | Jungti1234 | hello guys |
| 08:42:26 | JdGordon | hey Jungti1234 |
| 08:42:29 | JdGordon | hows things? |
| 08:42:40 | Jungti1234 | hi JdGordon |
| 08:42:48 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hmm... i hope your just dreaming... I dont think the menus can be optimized much more |
| 08:42:55 | Jungti1234 | Now, I'm very happy |
| 08:43:06 | JdGordon | ooohhh.. good news? |
| 08:43:17 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 08:43:19 | Jungti1234 | H300 firmware was updated. |
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| 08:43:26 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I wasn't. Something changed and it is running faster now. |
| 08:43:30 | JdGordon | oficial firmware? |
| 08:43:37 | Jungti1234 | sure |
| 08:43:43 | JdGordon | what did they fix/add? |
| 08:43:55 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: :( what did you change? |
| 08:44:32 | Jungti1234 | add game function |
| 08:44:38 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: nothing much at all. I added a rounding to the F_STOREREALVALUE case |
| 08:44:43 | jhMikeS | in loading |
| 08:45:13 | pondlife | JdGordon: Do you know that changes.patch breaks the sim build? |
| 08:45:29 | JdGordon | pondlife: oh? |
| 08:45:45 | pondlife | Well, the H300 sim with logf and debug is the only one I've tried - give it a go... |
| 08:45:58 | Jungti1234 | http://service.iriver.co.kr/down/support/firmware/h/H300_game_01.jpg |
| 08:46:28 | pondlife | Or just the H300 sim... |
| 08:46:44 | pondlife | No rule to make target `file.h', needed by `/home/Steve/rockbox-devel/build/comsim/stubs.o' |
| 08:48:59 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'd like to see the menus in recording_menu.c and not recording.c. I put the other functions there that were left in sound_menu.c. Seems many menu functions should just be removed if not dynamic. |
| 08:49:51 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Or was that trimming supposed a final step before a commit? |
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| 08:54:55 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: i just put the reocrding stuff there because thats the first file i saw relevant.. I needed to get them out of settings.c |
| 08:55:01 | JdGordon | pondlife: oh ok |
| 08:55:19 | * | JdGordon dumps rockbox and goes back to iriver OF... they have minesweeper! |
| 08:55:38 | daurnimator | haha |
| 08:57:41 | jhMikeS | I suppose the cfg string can be NULL for real values that aren't paired with strings, right? |
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| 08:58:37 | JdGordon | possibly... |
| 08:58:43 | ipl | scorche I loaded the cpufreq3 patch along with the noscaling patch, and that seem to fix the issue. |
| 08:58:57 | JdGordon | cfg string is whats saved to the disk, so if its null it will save the int value |
| 08:59:00 | jhMikeS | or I just need the name of the setting with no values |
| 08:59:05 | JdGordon | (that may not be setup right now) |
| 08:59:22 | JdGordon | oh, yeah woops, cfg string is the name of the setting |
| 08:59:23 | jhMikeS | I see 11025 in config.cfg for the samplerate |
| 08:59:25 | JdGordon | so you do need it |
| 08:59:34 | * | JdGordon is confused |
| 08:59:47 | scorche | ipl: glad top hear it |
| 08:59:48 | jhMikeS | but I don't need something like "rec samplerate,11025,44100,etc" |
| 08:59:50 | scorche | -p |
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| 09:00:02 | jhMikeS | jsut "rec samplerate" |
| 09:00:06 | jhMikeS | jsut |
| 09:00:11 | jhMikeS | just! lol |
| 09:00:13 | ipl | The only outstanding issue is when I try to charge from an external power source, it loops and will not charge. It just reboots over and over. |
| 09:00:49 | ipl | However, it will charge from the computer usb port. |
| 09:00:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, I was thinking a bit about your idea of passing bitmaps to the lcd**bitmap() functions via a little struct |
| 09:01:10 | amiconn | This has in fact a whole number of advantages |
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| 09:02:11 | amiconn | Not only does it reduce the number of parameters for those functions, but it also reduces the number of functions in the api (the fact whether a bitmap is mono or transparent will be passed in the struct as well), |
| 09:02:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes. that's what my evil plan was |
| 09:02:43 | amiconn | and it helps making the api on mono targets more similar to non-mono targets, |
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| 09:03:03 | amiconn | and reduces the number of explicit draw mode switches on those |
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| 09:03:30 | jhMikeS | The header only exist once per bmp and checking should be fast. |
| 09:04:08 | amiconn | The struct is already defined (but it needs a little adjustment |
| 09:04:10 | amiconn | ) |
| 09:05:23 | jhMikeS | hehe. want to be able to use more that just a 1 bit transparency if it ever comes up. don't be too stingy. you'll save space overall. |
| 09:05:55 | jhMikeS | what about glyphs in and of themselves? we don't want headers there |
| 09:06:26 | amiconn | Not headers. A struct |
| 09:06:45 | amiconn | The struct for the glyphs can be generated by the caller |
| 09:07:45 | jhMikeS | The struct will basically amount to a bitmap handle. Will it include a pointer to the bits instead of passing that too? |
| 09:07:57 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:08:02 | amiconn | Check lcd.h |
| 09:08:06 | amiconn | struct bitmap |
| 09:08:44 | amiconn | It will need a little adjustment |
| 09:09:26 | jhMikeS | ok, hadn't looked there before |
| 09:10:46 | jhMikeS | megapatches everywhere these days |
| 09:11:20 | amiconn | Well, it seems I'm in the mood to fiddle with the lcd stuff these days |
| 09:11:29 | amiconn | 'nuff work necessary there |
| 09:11:59 | amiconn | Backdrop for X5 remote, transparency support for 2 bit drivers and in the bmp loader |
| 09:11:59 | Jungti1234 | bye bye |
| 09:12:26 | amiconn | ...consolidating the scrolling code, and finally: viewports |
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| 09:16:42 | jhMikeS | hehe...and we'll have popup menus and message boxes as a result right? |
| 09:17:04 | ipl | scorche Got it figured out. It is a well documented problem and fix. Thanks again for all your help. |
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| 09:18:17 | Slasheri | hmm, soon i have a second build server for rockbox, running AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ dual core :) |
| 09:18:28 | Lynx_ | Does anyone keep a list of major changes in Rockbox, like on a wiki page? |
| 09:19:17 | JdGordon | there is a link on the frontpage of all changes |
| 09:19:32 | JdGordon | there is a wiki page with major changes, but i dont know how often its updated |
| 09:20:20 | Lynx_ | the whole cvs list is kinda long to go through every few weeks |
| 09:20:33 | JdGordon | there is a link to the last 4 weeks |
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| 09:21:03 | Lynx_ | duh, the major changes list is even linked on the wiki frontpage |
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| 09:21:44 | JdGordon | Slasheri: nice :) can i have it?? :p |
| 09:22:32 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 09:22:56 | Lynx_ | hmm, only 5 bugs left labeled as due in 3.0, does that mean there maybe a release again soon? |
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| 09:27:15 | Terinjokes | hey Spug! |
| 09:27:29 | JdGordon | dont the rest of us get a hello? |
| 09:27:42 | JdGordon | where is the ban stick when you need it... :'( |
| 09:27:56 | Terinjokes | Gordon, the rest of you don't show as online |
| 09:28:10 | * | scorche waves it in front of JdGordon |
| 09:28:40 | * | scorche hands it to JdGordon |
| 09:28:53 | scorche | oh wait...that is just a regular stick =D |
| 09:28:59 | JdGordon | i was wondering... |
| 09:29:29 | Terinjokes | anywho, i did manage to rockbox running (happily) with Apple OF 1.3 on the Nano....but the songs still don't appear over in OF, any ideas? |
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| 09:33:38 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure what's going on in recording_callback. some comparisons look fishy and why is the radio being powered off? |
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| 09:36:06 | hachi | so, I'd like to thank the forums for not actually emailing me a confirmation so I can post |
| 09:36:23 | hachi | "thanks smf" |
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| 10:11:35 | LinusN | hachi: which username? |
| 10:12:11 | LinusN | ah, i see it |
| 10:13:12 | LinusN | and it's not in your spam filter? |
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| 10:14:19 | Slasheri | LinusN: hi, would you like to configure a new build server? |
| 10:14:42 | LinusN | gimme da details man |
| 10:15:01 | Slasheri | LinusN: xen.ihme.org, works with the same password as ihme.org |
| 10:15:16 | Slasheri | compilers already installed, athlon 64 X2 4200+ dual core :) |
| 10:16:07 | Slasheri | but build scripts etc. would still need to be configured on that host |
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| 10:17:12 | LinusN | can it build all targets? |
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| 10:17:47 | Slasheri | yes, but probably not simulators |
| 10:18:10 | Slasheri | i ran the rockboxdev.sh and installed all compilers to the homedir |
| 10:19:11 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: why does CHOICE_ITEM require a list of values if the values are the same as the array indexes? The loading doesn't look them up anyway. Could save the space for these arrays. |
| 10:19:40 | JdGordon | hang on.. checking |
| 10:20:45 | jhMikeS | only reason I can see to use a list or array is for real values or else leave it NULL |
| 10:21:30 | JdGordon | CHOICE_ITEM needs the list of items to get shown in the settings screen |
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| 10:24:05 | hachi | LinusN: It came through after I ran out of memory and closed my email client |
| 10:26:12 | jhMikeS | ok, right...was reading them wrong :P |
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| 10:27:30 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I can use these those strings instead even if I use a function for a dynamic menu? |
| 10:28:05 | JdGordon | these strings arnt for the dyn menus... they are for the settings... |
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| 10:29:59 | webguest55 | Hi, I'll repeat the question I already asked on Friday (but got no reply) |
| 10:30:02 | webguest55 | Is there any chance that the patch 5049 (startup screen) will be incorporated into the official builds? I quite often switch on my H120 and then go directly to FM radio. And that patch seems to automate it. |
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| 10:33:19 | JdGordon | webguest55: I wouldnt think so... |
| 10:33:33 | JdGordon | but you never know.. |
| 10:35:42 | jhMikeS | they're LANG_ string ids though. they could be used to construct lists and save a (semi)static opt_items array. the macros could be different with a #define to produce an enum of settings ids to look up the item in settings[] and other code could use the info there. |
| 10:36:28 | webguest55 | JdGordon: Ok, I see: there is always a chance. It's only a question of its value :-) |
| 10:37:29 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ? sorry, im confused |
| 10:38:16 | JdGordon | the array is used so the settings are shown correctly... |
| 10:38:23 | JdGordon | you need that array _somewhere_ |
| 10:38:24 | jhMikeS | the enum can be generated from the settings list giving ids like SETTING_REC_FORMAT which can be used elsewhere like settings[SETTING_REC_FORMAT] |
| 10:39:23 | JdGordon | what does that solve? |
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| 10:39:35 | jhMikeS | Can then constuct a menu with the list of LANG_* ids on the stack. |
| 10:40:14 | JdGordon | its doint that alreayd tho |
| 10:40:46 | jhMikeS | What about for dynamic menus? Is there some feature I haven't seen yet? |
| 10:42:29 | JdGordon | dynamic menus dont use the setting_list.. each menu entry needs a MENU_*_ITEM() (menu.h), when menus are loaded their callbacks are called and if a certain value is returned they will not be shown.. |
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| 10:47:25 | jhMikeS | the callback can be used to perform actions or processing when a menu item is selected? (sorry, still figure some stuff out here) |
| 10:47:33 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:48:34 | JdGordon | the callbacks are called when the item needs to be displayed, and then before the pressed button is handled when in that item.. (so you can change the button, or so you can do something before entering another sub menu, or exiting or something) |
| 10:49:19 | jhMikeS | ok, so when an item selected for rec_format, I can resync the other settings that must be kept in sync |
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| 10:50:19 | jhMikeS | do I have to filter myself for when the selected item actually changes or can it tell me? |
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| 10:51:00 | JdGordon | the callback wil recive the ACTION_STD_NEXT|PREV actions which will let you know |
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| 10:52:20 | jhMikeS | I only need to know when the option is committed with a new value, not when it's being selected. |
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| 10:54:04 | JdGordon | wait for the ACTION_STD_OK from inside the settings callbacks then... you could even use the 1 callback for all (assuming they do the same thing), it passes the menu item which was entered so you know which setting was changed |
| 10:58:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Most options are live |
| 10:58:58 | amiconn | Maybe not the recording options though |
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| 11:00:31 | JdGordon | has anyone else had a chance to checkout the patch? |
| 11:01:44 | pondlife | JdGordon: If you put the patch on Flyspray it will probably get a bigger audience, from the mailing list at least. |
| 11:02:05 | pondlife | Just note at the top that it's not quite ready yet... :) |
| 11:02:10 | JdGordon | fs is annoying to update tho |
| 11:02:31 | pondlife | Really? |
| 11:02:36 | pondlife | I like the audit trail. |
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| 11:03:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just trying to get it all straight and use all the power of the new system |
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| 11:08:16 | DD_busy | mornin' / evenin' |
| 11:08:33 | vx | HI |
| 11:08:40 | DD_busy | anyone tried patching the iriver H300 1.31k firmware yet? |
| 11:10:06 | DD_busy | ooh, breakfast. bbl |
| 11:10:17 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: So ACTION_STD_OK is sent _after_ a settings item has been chosen? And I perform post-selection processing like: |
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| 11:10:40 | jhMikeS | case ACTION_STD_OK: |
| 11:10:40 | jhMikeS | if (this_item == &recformat_item) |
| 11:10:47 | jhMikeS | do something |
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| 11:11:24 | JdGordon | yes, except i tihnk it might need changing. iirc the menu callback gets that when its first enetered aswell |
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| 11:12:10 | jhMikeS | I thought ACTION_ENTERING_MENUITEM would tell me that |
| 11:12:14 | JdGordon | no, wait a sec... is this for settings or submenus? |
| 11:12:23 | jhMikeS | setting |
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| 11:13:48 | JdGordon | ok, yup, you get _STD_OK when its being enetred, ENTERING_MENUITEM is badly named and sent to ask if the item should be displayed |
| 11:13:55 | * | JdGordon tihnks the menu funciotn needs fixing |
| 11:14:19 | JdGordon | the menu callback doesnt get called when the setting exits |
| 11:14:55 | jhMikeS | ACTION_BACKOUT_MENUITEM really is more like ACTION_HIDE_MENUITEM ?? |
| 11:15:11 | JdGordon | yeahj |
| 11:16:01 | jhMikeS | also not sure how the source gets suppressed when using recording from the radio screen. doesn't look implemented. |
| 11:16:03 | JdGordon | yeah, its definatly going to need fixing |
| 11:16:24 | JdGordon | ? |
| 11:16:48 | jhMikeS | If you enter the recording screen from the radio screen on SWCODEC, there should be no Source option. |
| 11:17:22 | JdGordon | might need to use a global for that |
| 11:17:37 | amiconn | There should be no source option in the recording settings when entering from radio _on all targets_ |
| 11:17:37 | JdGordon | how is it done currently? |
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| 11:17:53 | jhMikeS | rrrr... |
| 11:18:07 | jhMikeS | by passing a value to the menu function |
| 11:18:20 | jhMikeS | it had "bool no_source" as a paramter |
| 11:18:32 | amiconn | Hwcodec records directly from the radio screen (which is the better solution imho) |
| 11:18:55 | amiconn | ...and you can call the recording settings from there - with the source option hidden as well |
| 11:20:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: having a) two recording screens is bad imho b) limited recording functionality because of button shortage. |
| 11:21:55 | amiconn | It means less actions to perform if you hear a song you want to record |
| 11:22:22 | amiconn | Also, one major drawback of having fm recording in a separate screen is that prerecording isn't running in the fm screen |
| 11:22:29 | jhMikeS | A single button press could be used to take you to the recording screen though. Prerecording might be a bugger though. |
| 11:23:24 | amiconn | Button shortage shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:23:39 | jhMikeS | it's not like I'd want FM doing any prerecording just because I have prerecording enabled for recording. |
| 11:23:44 | amiconn | We do have fm recording from the radio screen on the Ondio FM - which has a total of 6 buttons |
| 11:24:42 | jhMikeS | more than some |
| 11:25:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Imho fm is one of the places where prerecording makes most sense |
| 11:25:50 | jhMikeS | But I wouldn't want to have to change my prerecording option just to have it not be doing that when I'm just listening to FM and don't care. |
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| 11:27:12 | jhMikeS | I suppose prerecording for FM should be something specificly enabled for FM if you want it otherwise you'll kill battery just to listen to the radio. |
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| 11:28:34 | amiconn | Nah, not really kill |
| 11:28:58 | amiconn | But you're right - prerecording should be configurable separately for fm and for the rest |
| 11:29:25 | amiconn | (and on archos, the mas shouldn't be running in recording mode during fm when not prerecording) |
| 11:29:32 | JdGordon | you can use the whole audio buffer for prerecoding in fm yeah? |
| 11:30:29 | amiconn | That'll be my next area after gfx |
| 11:30:39 | amiconn | MAS recording and playback including pcm |
| 11:31:05 | * | JdGordon needs a kvm :'( |
| 11:32:38 | amiconn | I wonder how we should handle "codecs" (as in playback formats) on archos |
| 11:33:12 | jhMikeS | SWCODEC will be boosting the CPU |
| 11:33:29 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 11:33:52 | amiconn | why? |
| 11:34:05 | jhMikeS | The encoders boost the CPU if there's enough data to process |
| 11:34:16 | amiconn | Does prerecording really encode? |
| 11:34:25 | amiconn | I thought it would prerecord as pcm only |
| 11:34:42 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 11:35:18 | jhMikeS | under certain conditions you'd be tottaly screwed if you had to catch up and flush at the same time |
| 11:45:45 | jhMikeS | you've got about 11s of pcm available from DMA. dedicating enough for 30s to 1min of prerecord would make flushing data more frequent. at a high samplerate...narrow margin for writing data. at high samplerates the flushing can get flooded, esp. using WavPack hence the thread boost. |
| 11:51:31 | amiconn | Why not enlarge the pcm buffer while prerecording? (of course not the whole audio buffer, but enough for 30 seconds) |
| 11:55:39 | jhMikeS | Then I have a smaller buffer for encoding and have to reconfigure it all on the fly after catching up while recording new data and encoding and possibly writing data to disk. |
| 11:57:59 | jhMikeS | And on x5 having an encoding buffer about the same size as the pcm buffer doesn't leave much margin to play catchup when using some lossless format. |
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| 12:09:13 | * | jhMikeS is getting a migraine thinking about doing that :P Actually, the only encoder that boosts frequently is WavPack. It almost always is boosted at 88.2. I don't think WAV ever does. |
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| 12:16:43 | JdGordon | any objections to fs 6360? |
| 12:17:32 | jhMikeS | ummm...have to know what it is first :) |
| 12:17:43 | JdGordon | bork bork bork language :D |
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| 12:21:31 | jhMikeS | lol...nice novelty item...I dunno. Kinda weird. |
| 12:21:56 | jhMikeS | Long as you promise to add Klingon :) |
| 12:21:58 | * | JdGordon takes no credit for it.. but thinks its funny |
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| 13:09:50 | spazm | I can't seem to be able to use my playlists in rockbox... I have all my music organized by playlists in iTunes and when I flash my ipod with rockbox I can't even find the old playlists? is this right or how can I fix it? |
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| 13:10:20 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I think some things will have to wait. I don't get the kind of events that I need and still have to use functions. |
| 13:10:46 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:12:31 | spazm | and also, how do I view my photos? is there a way? can't find anything about it in the manual |
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| 13:15:48 | wehn | spazm: use the file navigation to find the file and select it. (NAVI on the h300 for example) |
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| 13:16:31 | spazm | wehn, you mean to view the photos or to use a playlist? |
| 13:17:03 | wehn | spazm, to view the photos. |
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| 13:17:43 | wehn | actually its the same to use playlists. they need to .m3u files though. |
| 13:17:51 | spazm | aah.. ok |
| 13:18:04 | spazm | then I might need to export my playlists to .m3u from iTunes I guess |
| 13:18:39 | wehn | sounds likely. |
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| 13:22:48 | chain | hallo |
| 13:34:25 | spazm | wehn, however, when I go into my "Photos" folder and click on the only file that's there (Photo Database) I still don't see any photos... |
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| 13:55:58 | wehn | spazm: i'm familiar with the internals of ipod's filestructures. but it sounds like apples obfusicated that too. |
| 13:56:26 | wehn | you just want a plain directory with plain JPGs |
| 13:57:07 | wehn | i'm Not familiar - that should read! |
| 13:58:45 | wehn | just copy across your photos using a plain USB stoage connection. don't use any special apple-ipod software. Though that may mean that the retailOS won't understand... |
| 13:58:59 | wehn | on the upside, every other computer and system will. |
| 13:59:51 | * | wehn wave goodnight... |
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| 14:01:38 | bluebrother | spazm: have a look here ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4771 |
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| 14:15:43 | chain | I was just wondering if anyone know how's the development of rockbox for Creative Zen Vision:M comming along ? |
| 14:17:32 | bluebrother | chain, afaik no one is working on it. |
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| 14:21:47 | chain | bluebrother, I've read this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 thread, and I thought that maybe finally someone started doing actual work on it |
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| 14:24:10 | chain | from what I understand I wouldn't be very difficult to do it - all the essential hardware is somewhat documented |
| 14:25:50 | chain | Quote from Badgers post on the forum: "AFAIK, there is a free assembler for the DSP parts and the CPU part is plain ARM9. |
| 14:25:50 | chain | The ArchOpen project has their OS running and playing sound on a TMS320-based player, so a Rockbox port to one of these should indeed be feasable..." |
| 14:25:54 | bluebrother | I haven't heared of anyone actively working on it. |
| 14:26:17 | bluebrother | see the first page in that thread, the DSP core will need serious work |
| 14:26:36 | thegeek | http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tempel&redirect=no#rohPod_and_iPod_5.5G |
| 14:26:42 | bluebrother | but maybe I've missed someone working on it. |
| 14:26:43 | thegeek | is the information in this comment known? |
| 14:27:13 | thegeek | basically it describes how the author of rohpod handles the new 5.5G ipod block sizes |
| 14:28:39 | chain | bluebrother, yes it would need some work, but most of the info is there, and I bet that there are some other projects in the open source community that are working on it |
| 14:29:10 | bluebrother | that still doesn't solve the time issue −− someone simply has to do it ;-) |
| 14:29:39 | chain | yeah - so many people wanted it done, but no one stepped up |
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| 14:29:57 | bluebrother | and I know of none who actually started actively working on it. |
| 14:30:12 | chain | I don't even own that player, I was just curious, and I think that it's pretty nice |
| 14:30:19 | chain | I mean the player |
| 14:30:43 | bluebrother | maybe someone has started working silently. But I really doubt that. |
| 14:31:48 | chain | If I wasn't studying and learning 4 languages, then maybe I would contribute, but this year I don't have time for such projects |
| 14:32:58 | chain | I |
| 14:33:00 | chain | I |
| 14:33:21 | chain | I'll be tracking this thread on the forum |
| 14:33:47 | bluebrother | I assume if something happens someone will post it there. |
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| 15:04:32 | b00st4 | hi |
| 15:04:34 | b00st4 | any1 can help me with cvs please?? |
| 15:04:51 | chain | bluebrother, do you know why rockbox doesn't support cowon flash based players? Is it because of some technical limitation or noone started work on it? |
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| 15:07:24 | bluebrother | chain: I don't know. I guess it's mostly related to hardware differences. |
| 15:08:46 | b00st4 | what cvs packs do i jneed to install, to compile |
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| 15:09:14 | bluebrother | b00st4: get the rockbox-devel module |
| 15:09:31 | b00st4 | all? |
| 15:10:47 | chain | thanks bluebrother, goodbye! |
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| 15:33:29 | preglow | eh |
| 15:33:36 | preglow | i get some pretty weird stuff when trying to compile the manual now |
| 15:34:04 | preglow | rockbox-build.tex has lines saying ewcommand{ |
| 15:34:05 | preglow | looks truncated |
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| 15:58:15 | bluebrother | indeed. |
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| 16:12:42 | lowlight | pondlife, lostlogic: do you have any comments on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6317 ? |
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| 16:14:34 | pondlife | lowlight: Sorry, not really. Not had time recently :( |
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| 16:15:36 | lowlight | pondlife: the problem's been identified...just wondering what the best solution is. |
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| 16:18:41 | preglow | does manual compiling work for other people? |
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| 16:21:30 | lowlight | sorry, no TeX here. |
| 16:21:39 | jhMikeS | lowlight: the solution has problems. one thing is that decoder don't respond in a predictable way. wavpack.codec ignores the return value when waiting on the queue. |
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| 16:22:20 | pixelma | preglow: I just successfully compiled a nano manual |
| 16:23:09 | pixelma | with cygwin if that matters |
| 16:24:08 | pondlife | lowlight: Is the problem being caused by the audio thread stopping too soon? |
| 16:24:11 | lowlight | jhMikeS: yes, I've noticed that flac often doesn't check the return value from seek_buffer(), too. |
| 16:24:21 | jhMikeS | lowlight: I get codec failures when skipping around (can't remember if backward only) after terminatibg the codecs that way. |
| 16:25:01 | pondlife | Or rather, what is the audio thread actually doing in this deadlock (i.e. which bit of code) |
| 16:25:02 | preglow | pixelma: tried nano here as well, doesn't work, rockbox-build.tex is clearly corrupted |
| 16:25:05 | preglow | oh well |
| 16:26:53 | lowlight | pondlife: My view...resuming a flac file with a big offset causes 2 buffer fills, an initial one to get the stream info and then a seek & rebuffer. If stop gets queued between them there's a deadlock. |
| 16:27:30 | pondlife | But what is the audio thread waiting for in this case? |
| 16:27:43 | jhMikeS | audio thread doesn't stop. the decoders must check the value and return nicely. :) Also you should just be able to empty the callback queue on stop. What needs to be there when stopped? All previous messages to the audio thread have been dequeued up to stop and future ones coulnd't have the codec waiting there yet. |
| 16:27:59 | lowlight | pondlife: it's waiting for the codec thread to exit |
| 16:28:56 | pondlife | And the codec thread is waiting for a callback? |
| 16:29:02 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 16:29:33 | jhMikeS | only way to break it is with a post. the codec wait is the cause of the audio thread running at that point. |
| 16:30:28 | pondlife | Which actual loop in playbackc. is the audio thread stuck in? |
| 16:30:31 | jhMikeS | imho. fix the codecs too to not ignore the return values. |
| 16:30:56 | jhMikeS | the one in audio_stop_encoder_flush |
| 16:31:15 | pondlife | audio_stop_codec_flush? |
| 16:31:27 | thegeek | http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tempel&redirect=no#rohPod_and_iPod_5.5G |
| 16:31:28 | thegeek | is the information in this comment known? |
| 16:31:29 | thegeek | http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tempel&redirect=no#rohPod_and_iPod_5.5G |
| 16:31:31 | thegeek | basically it describes how the author of rohpod handles the new 5.5G ipod block sizes |
| 16:31:49 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yead, whatever the name :) |
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| 16:32:22 | pondlife | Is this the audio_stop_codec_flush() called from audio_play_start()? |
| 16:32:38 | pondlife | or audio_stop_playback()? |
| 16:32:56 | jhMikeS | yes...where is has that "not nescessary?" bit I think |
| 16:33:06 | pondlife | So... try removing it? |
| 16:33:37 | lowlight | pondlife: in this case it reaches it through audio_stop_playback |
| 16:33:51 | linuxstb | preglow: Your manual problem looks like it comes from manual/Makefile - the @echo "\newcommand....." >> rockbox-build.tex lines. But those lines were added in March 2006... |
| 16:35:46 | pondlife | OK, from the other side... which callback is codec thread in? |
| 16:36:20 | pondlife | i.e. which queue_wait is holding the codec thread? Could be many I assume? |
| 16:37:23 | lowlight | pondlife: In this case, codec_advance_buffer_callback() |
| 16:37:23 | pondlife | codec_seek_buffer_callback? |
| 16:37:27 | pondlife | Ah |
| 16:37:43 | lowlight | I've posted logf dumps on flyspray |
| 16:38:02 | * | pondlife should probably read them |
| 16:38:16 | pondlife | ...but I really need to get on with some Paid Work :( |
| 16:39:17 | lowlight | you mean you haven't gotten your Rockbox check this week? |
| 16:39:30 | pondlife | My gut feeling is that the audio_stop_codec_flush() loop should be removed (or more likely, moved) |
| 16:39:52 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking a solution should be a solution to the problem for all the possible deadlock points. |
| 16:40:04 | * | Bagder got a 6000USD check for (another) open source work this week... |
| 16:40:37 | Bagder | life is good ;-) |
| 16:40:46 | pondlife | Bagder: Please don't gloat ;-( |
| 16:40:51 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:40:57 | jhMikeS | some obviously have better lives |
| 16:41:39 | pondlife | There shouldn't be deadlocks if we have all our states correct. I prescribe a bout of documentation. |
| 16:42:26 | pondlife | There are some undocumented wait loops, these are probably there for a good reason, but should be justified or removed. |
| 16:42:28 | jhMikeS | if the audio thread waits for the codec thread, it's deadlock possibility in three places. |
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| 16:44:42 | pondlife | The audio thread shouldn't wait in a tight loop for the codec thread. It should be able to carry on processing requests and defer codec unloading etc. Get it to be free-running...? |
| 16:45:05 | lowlight | maybe audio_codec_loaded should indicate what state the codec is in...unloaded, loaded, & waiting |
| 16:45:13 | pondlife | Exactly |
| 16:45:22 | jhMikeS | Stopping audio for buffer stealing should wait for a full stop for sure. |
| 16:45:38 | pondlife | Sorry, gotta go... |
| 16:55:11 | * | jhMikeS wonders what's really documented in the giant ball of bandaids |
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| 17:00:16 | Davide-NYC | hello |
| 17:00:27 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: hey |
| 17:00:40 | Davide-NYC | is anyone else getting errors on sim builds? |
| 17:00:48 | Davide-NYC | h1x0 in particular |
| 17:01:06 | jhMikeS | no, cause I haven't built any. a sure way to avoid them. |
| 17:01:24 | Davide-NYC | AKE in databox |
| 17:01:26 | Davide-NYC | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/user/rockbox-devel/apps/recorder/widgets.h', needed by `/home/user/rockbox-devel/sim.h1x0/apps/plugins/databox/databox.o'. Stop. |
| 17:01:27 | Davide-NYC | make[2]: *** [databox] Error 2 |
| 17:01:28 | Davide-NYC | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 17:01:30 | Davide-NYC | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 17:01:48 | Davide-NYC | what should I do to squash this problem? |
| 17:01:56 | Gnelik | Hi1 |
| 17:01:58 | Gnelik | ! |
| 17:01:58 | Davide-NYC | Do I need "widgets"? |
| 17:02:23 | jhMikeS | do a clean make a reconfigure sometimes does it |
| 17:02:40 | Davide-NYC | ../tools/configure |
| 17:02:46 | Davide-NYC | how do I make clean |
| 17:02:55 | jhMikeS | yeah. "make clean" first |
| 17:02:56 | Davide-NYC | 'make clean'? |
| 17:03:01 | Davide-NYC | k |
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| 17:03:43 | Gnelik | Bagder: Hi. Is there any snsa progress since yesterdays evening? |
| 17:03:45 | Davide-NYC | what does that do? delete all your previous build from the dir? |
| 17:04:24 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: yes. removes all compiled stuff except tools |
| 17:04:51 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: anything needs testing? |
| 17:05:20 | Bagder | Gnelik: no idea, I did pass on info from MrH yday but that's all |
| 17:05:21 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: not atm. sort of in limbo getting other stuff straightened out. |
| 17:05:31 | Davide-NYC | aiff support? |
| 17:05:36 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 17:05:57 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: It's on Santa's list |
| 17:06:04 | Davide-NYC | \o/ |
| 17:06:35 | Davide-NYC | my sim seems to have compiled |
| 17:06:37 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 17:06:41 | Gnelik | Bye. |
| 17:06:43 | jhMikeS | welcome |
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| 17:08:59 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds far from unlikely, it's probably triggered by my upgrading from dapper to edgy |
| 17:09:12 | * | jhMikeS seems to have been cut out of other important discussion so he'll just rewrite the entire playback engine |
| 17:09:34 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
| 17:09:58 | * | Davide-NYC has faith in jhMikeS and whatever his decisions are |
| 17:11:04 | XavierGr | yay then we will have a 3rd attemp of rewritting the playback engine |
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| 17:11:14 | jhMikeS | hehe...not a light task but it certainly needs a big combing out |
| 17:11:18 | lowlight | jhMikeS: make sure you include metadata-on-the-buffer and integrate the hwcodec playback while you are at it :-P |
| 17:11:19 | XavierGr | go for it Mike |
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| 17:11:39 | * | jhMikeS never "attempts" anything! :P |
| 17:12:13 | jhMikeS | just feeling frustrated |
| 17:12:21 | XavierGr | about what? |
| 17:12:26 | XavierGr | current playback engine? |
| 17:12:41 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 17:13:23 | jhMikeS | I'd make it put any data you want on the buffer for any reason if I did |
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| 17:15:08 | Davide-NYC | as usual I suggest a wiki page |
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| 17:15:15 | Davide-NYC | not sure why |
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| 17:26:17 | * | jhMikeS gets the feeling others want him hopelessly preoccupied instead of hanging around here ;) |
| 17:26:57 | Davide-NYC | what's wrong with playback exactly? |
| 17:27:03 | * | Davide-NYC duck again |
| 17:28:30 | Davide-NYC | I'm going to test the menu patch for JGordon |
| 17:28:40 | * | lowlight wonders what "giant ball of bandaids" jhMikeS is playing with |
| 17:28:41 | jhMikeS | just seems overly convoluted to me, in short. what it should be doing doesn't seem well defined either. |
| 17:28:52 | pondlife | jhMikeS: It is horrendous, isn't it |
| 17:29:30 | Davide-NYC | I'm not in any position to make the following statement, but: |
| 17:29:48 | pondlife | I got rid of about 5 wait loops already, but the history and non-documented-ness of it makes any major work tricky. |
| 17:30:03 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yes. this deadlock thing shouldn't be so difficult...shouldn't even be an issue |
| 17:30:03 | Davide-NYC | would it not help to put precise complaints and goals on a wiki and let folks hash it out *then* rewrite it? |
| 17:30:54 | jhMikeS | pondlife: that's another complaint. It always will be complex but it's very low on comments about WHY things are as they are so you must follow function calls 20 deep and stuff. :P |
| 17:31:00 | lowlight | it's the wiki from the last rewrite |
| 17:31:04 | lowlight | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 17:31:17 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I agree with you 100%. |
| 17:31:59 | Davide-NYC | lowlight: thanks |
| 17:32:18 | * | pondlife thinks all developers should set MAX_TRACK in playback.c to be 3 or 4, rather than 32... Then you'll find lots of bugs. |
| 17:35:11 | jhMikeS | not having a separate voice thread would be a good start and make the swap state well known at any time |
| 17:37:36 | jhMikeS | then have a push type built in voice codec and have no swapping at all...but y'all already knew that. :) |
| 17:38:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, might this also help unifying pb engines? I guess it would... |
| 17:38:48 | amiconn | The hwcodec "codec" won't need a thread at all |
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| 17:40:56 | pondlife | OK, so that's: Unify playback, remove all deadlocking, buffer metadata and maintain codec compatibility. |
| 17:41:08 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Go for it!! |
| 17:41:33 | * | pondlife forgot to mention "document it all" |
| 17:41:41 | pondlife | ;) |
| 17:41:43 | Davide-NYC | (off topic) when is JGordon usually in here? |
| 17:42:14 | jhMikeS | could really just use libmaad directly from the looks of it. shove compressed data in andget back a buffer with pcm. |
| 17:43:47 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: for us, early morning or so |
| 17:44:05 | pondlife | He normally disappears about 9-10am GMT |
| 17:44:29 | pondlife | Quite often later - he seems not to need much sleep! |
| 17:46:06 | Davide-NYC | alright, Ill try back later. For the record: the v27 menu patch doesn't compile for me even after make clean and reconfig. It seems I never catch it in time... |
| 17:46:31 | Davide-NYC | JGordon should just provide a test build download somewhere |
| 17:47:00 | jhMikeS | it's weird that in_recscreen was in global settings and being saved all this time |
| 17:47:05 | Davide-NYC | (gulp) for all targets I guess. |
| 17:47:15 | Davide-NYC | see y'all later |
| 17:47:16 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I think he does on the wiki page |
| 17:47:39 | Davide-NYC | nah! this one? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding |
| 17:48:00 | lowlight | Davide-NYC: check out a cvs tree for the date when his patch was made |
| 17:48:28 | Davide-NYC | urghh, right I'm stupid |
| 17:48:32 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 17:48:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I have a question regarding the pcm playback module |
| 17:49:09 | jhMikeS | has some oddball behavior where is slows selecting with the cursor _a lot_. It dissapeared then came back. |
| 17:49:51 | amiconn | Afaik, pcm playback uses a number of buffers. Do these buffers now have some sort of header that defines the contents' parameters, like sample frequency? |
| 17:49:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok...can't say I'll know since I don't have a full grasp on it |
| 17:50:28 | amiconn | I'm asking because you introduced varying playback sample frequencies... everything was 44.1 before |
| 17:50:30 | jhMikeS | the track info contains that |
| 17:50:38 | amiconn | ? |
| 17:50:42 | amiconn | On pcm level? |
| 17:51:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: playback continues at 44.1 as ususal |
| 17:51:17 | jhMikeS | not on the pcm level, no. on the file level. |
| 17:51:34 | amiconn | Didn't you add playback frequency switching? |
| 17:51:47 | amiconn | 88.2/44.1/22.05/11.025 on coldfire |
| 17:52:01 | jhMikeS | It's not actually used yet. all the effects need to be retimed. |
| 17:52:24 | amiconn | But the pcm level can dela with that already? |
| 17:52:28 | amiconn | *deal |
| 17:52:31 | jhMikeS | Doom will actually play audio at 11.025 though |
| 17:53:12 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes...everything in pcm_playback/pcm_record on down |
| 17:53:44 | amiconn | I'm asking because I want to "mirror" those modules as mas_playback/mas_record |
| 17:53:59 | jhMikeS | I shudder to think about how gapless would work between files of different rates |
| 17:54:03 | amiconn | The mas playback blocks also need some info header |
| 17:54:09 | amiconn | It won't |
| 17:54:28 | jhMikeS | the tlv switches without glitch but not the uda |
| 17:54:48 | amiconn | Gapless between different sample rates isn't necessary imho |
| 17:55:17 | jhMikeS | they'll take it without stopping at least |
| 17:55:19 | amiconn | Encoding one album with different rates per track would be braindead |
| 17:55:42 | amiconn | On mas, switching mp3<->pcm also won't be gapless |
| 17:56:33 | amiconn | Switching mp3->pcm will take approximately one second. The dsp core needs to be frozen, pcm codec downloaded via i2c, and dsp core restated |
| 17:56:37 | jhMikeS | I'd like to have the pcm buffer be no more than a mixing board with several inputs and soft mute |
| 17:56:57 | jhMikeS | that's a long wait |
| 17:56:59 | amiconn | It need sto handle rate switching... |
| 17:57:43 | jhMikeS | yes but there needs to be a master channels that any other inputs are resampled to automatically if needed |
| 17:57:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, but unavoidable. Transferring ~10KB via bit-banged i2c takes a while |
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| 17:58:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Ah, yes, the mixing |
| 17:58:30 | amiconn | Well, main playback should be master if running |
| 17:58:41 | amiconn | MAS won't have mixing of course |
| 17:59:44 | * | Davide-NYC like to encode albums with random combinations of encoder/bitrate/samplerates/bitdepth/channels just to see what RB can handle. |
| 17:59:46 | jhMikeS | that's evident cause it says in places that it can't mix voice and audio playback |
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| 18:01:08 | Gnelik | i know how to control Snsas scroll |
| 18:01:12 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: Make each file 10 samples long :P |
| 18:01:52 | Davide-NYC | gapless! |
| 18:02:17 | jhMikeS | and use crossfade |
| 18:02:25 | Davide-NYC | lol |
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| 18:11:19 | godzirra | heya guys. Is there an easy way to delete the song that is currently playing? |
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| 18:13:05 | bluebrother | godzirra, use the wps context menu |
| 18:13:12 | godzirra | wps context menu? |
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| 18:13:30 | bluebrother | but iirc there is a bug that crashes Rockbox when the file isn't buffered completely yet. |
| 18:13:40 | godzirra | hwo do I get to the WPS context menu? |
| 18:13:43 | bluebrother | hold Navi while in the wps. Same as in the file browser |
| 18:13:55 | godzirra | That gives me a few options |
| 18:13:57 | godzirra | but none is delete? |
| 18:15:01 | bluebrother | you're right. Just checked ... I was of the opinion it's there |
| 18:15:04 | godzirra | lol |
| 18:15:09 | godzirra | that would be convenient, yes. |
| 18:15:24 | bluebrother | you could also enable "follow playlist" and delete it from the file browser |
| 18:16:16 | godzirra | ooh |
| 18:16:20 | godzirra | that would work I didnt even know that was an option |
| 18:16:36 | godzirra | Where is that? |
| 18:17:19 | bluebrother | General Settings / File View / Follow Playlist |
| 18:17:58 | godzirra | Thats aewsome |
| 18:17:59 | godzirra | thank you |
| 18:18:14 | bluebrother | won't work when using tagcache of course |
| 18:18:46 | godzirra | right |
| 18:18:49 | godzirra | that fine |
| 18:18:50 | godzirra | thats fine |
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| 18:24:21 | Gnelik | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/Ïàâåë/rockbox/e200/firmware/target/ar |
| 18:24:22 | Gnelik | m/sandisk/sansa-e200/backlight-e200.o', needed by `/home/Ïàâåë/rockbox/e200/libr |
| 18:24:22 | Gnelik | ockbox.a'. Stop. |
| 18:24:29 | Gnelik | What is it? |
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| 18:32:08 | Gnelik | Can eny body help me??? |
| 18:33:59 | bluebrother | Gnelik, tried reconfiguring? |
| 18:34:06 | Gnelik | 4 times |
| 18:34:10 | bluebrother | (and a make clean) |
| 18:34:27 | Gnelik | Even âeleted the dir |
| 18:34:34 | Gnelik | deleted |
| 18:35:05 | bluebrother | maybe that file is missing in some SOURCES file |
| 18:35:26 | bluebrother | what are you trying to build? |
| 18:35:50 | Gnelik | Sansa normal |
| 18:35:56 | Gnelik | it is there |
| 18:39:06 | * | bluebrother tries building |
| 18:39:27 | Gnelik | bluebrother stop |
| 18:39:35 | Gnelik | I am a stupid patcher |
| 18:39:39 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:40:00 | bluebrother | nice to hear |
| 18:40:06 | bluebrother | (that you solved it, of course ;-) |
| 18:40:40 | PaulPosition | Any way to checkout from cvs tree on a particular date AND time (ie, the 16th at 18:30)? ... -D 2006-11-16 ?????? |
| 18:41:49 | Gnelik | bluebrother :) |
| 18:41:59 | bluebrother | PaulPosition, sure. Just make the date spec detailed enough |
| 18:42:22 | bluebrother | like -D 1972-09-24 20:05 |
| 18:43:05 | PaulPosition | oh, it accepts white space..? I'll have a try, thanks. :) |
| 18:43:38 | bluebrother | PaulPosition, just make sure to protect the spaces from the shell ... using quotes should be sufficient. |
| 18:43:56 | bluebrother | (I forgot to add the quotes in my line) |
| 18:45:02 | PaulPosition | Ahh, cool. Still not too comfortable yet with 'nix shell.. Except for using irix on the university's server 10 yrs ago. :p |
| 18:45:47 | Gnelik | bluebrother: Did you remember our talk about Rackbox iface? When #define "like ipodLinux" i meant somethink like that http://ipodlinux.org/Special:Module/iconui |
| 18:46:44 | Gnelik | bluebrother: look at pictures |
| 18:46:51 | bluebrother | hehe ... a dock like bar |
| 18:47:00 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:47:18 | PaulPosition | wow, those ipod screens are bigger than the whole of my DAP.. :D |
| 18:47:20 | bluebrother | I think it would be a nice step to support custom icons |
| 18:47:48 | Gnelik | bluebrother:i dont like custom icons i like fiferent menu styles |
| 18:48:09 | Gnelik | That is the point |
| 18:50:13 | bluebrother | imo it would be good to be able changing the icons to a bigger size. Those 7x5 icons are nice but are too small with bigger fonts |
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| 18:50:56 | b00st4 | bluebrother, couldnt get cygwin running properly on my win2k, is there any list, what packs i need for rockbox? |
| 18:51:55 | bluebrother | b00st4, I never used cygwin for building Rockbox. I'd use the vmware image instead (but usually I'm natively on linux) |
| 18:52:11 | b00st4 | aight, got it |
| 18:52:13 | b00st4 | thx! |
| 18:52:29 | b00st4 | is that vmware better? |
| 18:52:41 | b00st4 | used cygwin before |
| 18:53:09 | bluebrother | as far as I heard it doesn't have the speed penalties cygwin has. |
| 18:53:19 | bluebrother | and as I'm used to linux I'd prefer it. |
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| 18:58:44 | Gnelik | Cygwin isnt wery bad |
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| 19:02:42 | Gnelik | bluebrother: Dont you want to make UI pach of rockbox? |
| 19:02:49 | Gnelik | To improove UI |
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| 19:03:29 | bluebrother | nah ... would prefer to finish uni first and get some more free time (to learn more of Rockbox code ;-) |
| 19:04:13 | b00st4 | any1 knows where the history of entered comands is strored for cygwin? |
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| 19:04:36 | bluebrother | maybe ~/.bash_history |
| 19:04:56 | Gnelik | yep |
| 19:06:06 | b00st4 | yeah, thx |
| 19:06:12 | linuxstb_ | Or just type "history" to display them. |
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| 19:06:35 | b00st4 | nah, want to import from an previous installation |
| 19:08:22 | Gnelik | AFK, but i am listening |
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| 19:11:45 | dan_a | Gnelik: I'm just looking through the logs - you can read the scroll wheel on the Sansa? |
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| 19:39:25 | b00st4 | hm, gettin a weird problem startin cygwin...it says "bash' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file" |
| 19:39:36 | b00st4 | what can i do :/ |
| 19:39:47 | b00st4 | runnin win2k pro |
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| 20:02:49 | Gnelik | dan_a:Yep |
| 20:03:04 | Gnelik | But i can't run bootloader now |
| 20:03:39 | dan_a | Well done! (For the first one) |
| 20:03:44 | Gnelik | I saw it on some GPIO port |
| 20:03:50 | dan_a | Which one? |
| 20:03:59 | Gnelik | i dont remember |
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| 20:04:24 | dan_a | Why won't your bootloader run? |
| 20:04:29 | Gnelik | And i can't look at it because i can't run bootloader now |
| 20:04:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: it seems dash catches the escapes in echo commands |
| 20:04:43 | preglow | linuxstb_: is that supposed to be like that? |
| 20:04:48 | Gnelik | dan_a: Don't know |
| 20:05:00 | Gnelik | it don't clear screen |
| 20:05:02 | Gnelik | at all |
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| 20:05:38 | dan_a | Gnelik: Can you still run Recovery Mode and the original firmware? |
| 20:05:38 | Gnelik | Sandisk logo logo |
| 20:05:43 | Gnelik | ant all |
| 20:05:43 | preglow | i hate to do echo "\\\newcommand" to make it work... |
| 20:05:47 | preglow | s/hate/have/ |
| 20:05:55 | Gnelik | dan_a: Yes |
| 20:06:32 | dan_a | Gnelik: Are you using the latest version of the patch from Flyspray? |
| 20:06:39 | Gnelik | Yes |
| 20:07:08 | Gnelik | e200_5 |
| 20:07:18 | dan_a | In lcd-e200.c, try putting #ifdef BOOTLOADER around the line that says "flush_cache()" |
| 20:07:40 | dan_a | I don't know what will happen if you try to flush the cache when it is not initialised... |
| 20:07:47 | preglow | any other manual people using edgy eft ubuntu here? |
| 20:08:56 | Gnelik | dan_a: ifdef or ifndef? |
| 20:09:19 | dan_a | Sorrt, ifndef |
| 20:09:24 | dan_a | *sorry |
| 20:10:30 | Gnelik | hm |
| 20:10:36 | Gnelik | i can't see it now |
| 20:10:50 | dan_a | It's in lcd_update |
| 20:11:03 | Gnelik | tNo no |
| 20:11:11 | Gnelik | GPIO changing |
| 20:11:11 | Gnelik | :( |
| 20:11:50 | Gnelik | I am shure |
| 20:11:55 | Gnelik | I saw it |
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| 20:13:13 | Lear | Anyone who knows if Audacity has a resample command? I can't seem to find it... |
| 20:13:35 | Lear | Or did I just find it? :) |
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| 20:16:43 | Gnelik | dan_a: GRRR |
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| 20:17:13 | dan_a | No luck finding the GPIO again? |
| 20:17:42 | Gnelik | dan_a: GPIO_B is FF when usb inserted and EF when not |
| 20:17:46 | Gnelik | dan_a:Nope |
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| 20:18:39 | Gnelik | T remebber that it was GPIO_I |
| 20:18:42 | Gnelik | I |
| 20:19:43 | Gnelik | But i cant see it now |
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| 20:22:41 | Gnelik | :( |
| 20:22:46 | preglow | Lear: i just use sox... |
| 20:22:51 | preglow | audacity is such a bastard |
| 20:23:02 | Lear | I figured it out anyway. |
| 20:23:04 | lowlight | Lear: to the left of the waveform click the down arrow next to the track name |
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| 20:23:38 | Lear | Nope. That just changes the playback rate (I think; the playback time increases). |
| 20:24:09 | Gnelik | dan_a: Do you have any progress? |
| 20:24:40 | Lear | Instead, you use the button-like thingy in the status bar to set the project sample rate. The exported wav is resampled. |
| 20:25:51 | dan_a | Gnelik: No - I've moved over to looking at why the NAND driver doesn't write properly |
| 20:26:24 | dan_a | Do you want me to forward you the email that Bagder sent last night explaining why the normal build isn't working properly? |
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| 20:27:55 | Gnelik | dan_a:Yes |
| 20:28:34 | rasher | There is also a "resample" program, available in Debian at least. |
| 20:29:28 | dan_a | Gnelik: Can you msg me your email address? |
| 20:31:26 | dan_a | It's OK - I have it. |
| 20:33:12 | tomal | Hey, did anyone try my changes to codecs memory layout (FS #6357)? |
| 20:38:12 | Gnelik | Ping |
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| 20:40:29 | Gnelik | dan_a: Are messages from unregistred users enabled for you??? |
| 20:41:01 | dan_a | Gnelik: Possibly not. I'll see if I can figure out how to enable them |
| 20:41:44 | Gnelik | >/msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 20:41:53 | amiconn | tomal: Quick question - did you observe any problems related to the lcd driver target tree move? |
| 20:41:56 | Gnelik | Here you are |
| 20:42:34 | dan_a | Gnelik: Try now |
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| 20:45:24 | tomal | amiconn: no, LCD works fine. |
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| 20:51:55 | amiconn | tomal: How much iram does the iFP have? |
| 20:52:13 | tomal | amiconn: 64 kB |
| 20:52:48 | amiconn | And 1MB dram, correct? |
| 20:53:38 | tomal | yes |
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| 20:58:15 | amiconn | tomal: Hmm, 128KB are enough for the codecs? |
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| 21:00:09 | tomal | amiconn: Not for all |
| 21:00:22 | amiconn | Reusing the iram copy for bss is probably a good idea |
| 21:00:51 | amiconn | We do a similar thing for the core on archos |
| 21:01:21 | amiconn | Archos has only 4KB of iram, so we can't use it for stack, and we only use it in the core |
| 21:01:30 | amiconn | The core iramcopy is reused for the main stack there |
| 21:02:59 | amiconn | The codec startup code must make sure that no bss is used before iram is copied. |
| 21:03:16 | amiconn | I can't comment on the other 2 patches |
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| 21:03:35 | tomal | amiconn: I put initialization to codec_crt0.c, and it does not use bss |
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| 21:04:51 | amiconn | It does. |
| 21:05:14 | amiconn | ci = api; |
| 21:05:22 | amiconn | ci is a bss variable... |
| 21:05:36 | amiconn | Eh, sorry |
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| 21:06:33 | * | amiconn got lost in that patch file |
| 21:07:26 | amiconn | plugin.lds is used for both plugins and codecs, so the (few) plugins which use iram need to be adjusted as well |
| 21:08:19 | tomal | amiconn: I put #ifdefs to plugin.lds, so that plugins are not affected |
| 21:08:39 | amiconn | Imho the plugins should reuse the method |
| 21:09:23 | amiconn | Speaking about plugins - you can probably reduce the plugin buffer size some more |
| 21:09:35 | amiconn | On archos, which has 2MB ram, we only reserve 32KB for plugins |
| 21:10:01 | tomal | amiconn: I think so. Are there small plugins that use IRAM. I can't test with the big ones. |
| 21:10:10 | amiconn | Not afaik |
| 21:10:47 | amiconn | On archos, we support 2 plugins which are bigger than the plugin ram (chessbox and rockboy). These actually consist of 2 parts on archos: |
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| 21:10:54 | tomal | Yes, I should look at codecs sizes. |
| 21:11:04 | tomal | I mean plugins. |
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| 21:11:40 | amiconn | A tinly loader, which stops playback so it can use the audio buffer, and then loads the second part (a kind of "overlay") there |
| 21:12:37 | amiconn | Rockboy might not make sense on iFP because of the small ram. Even on archos it's not possible to load all gameboy rom sizes |
| 21:13:07 | amiconn | (and of course it's kinda gimmick anyway atm - the archos cpu is so slow that most gameboy games aren't really playable) |
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| 21:13:50 | dionoea | hi |
| 21:13:56 | dionoea | amiconn: did you beep me yesterday ? |
| 21:14:23 | amiconn | hi |
| 21:15:07 | amiconn | Yes - I wanted to know your opinion regarding kkurbjun's background change. Maybe it's better to bring back the green playfield background in solitaire? |
| 21:15:25 | dionoea | i didn't see the change ... do you have screenshots available ? |
| 21:15:45 | amiconn | Check a recent build... |
| 21:16:20 | dionoea | means i have to go get my ipod ... and upgrade rockbox which will change the solitaire key bindings :/ |
| 21:16:42 | dionoea | i have to setup a build env on this laptop :) |
| 21:16:46 | amiconn | tomal: Plugins using IRAM: midi2wav, midiplay, mp3_encoder, doom, mpegplayer, pacbox |
| 21:16:51 | amiconn | rockboy, zxbox |
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| 21:17:26 | amiconn | I guess doom, mpegplayer and rockboy can be neglected for iFP |
| 21:17:26 | tomal | amiconn: thanks |
| 21:17:57 | amiconn | (but of course they still could profit from the iramcopy reuse on other targets) |
| 21:18:29 | amiconn | The midi stuff is probably also out of questions - these patchsets are large... |
| 21:18:33 | pixelma | dionoea: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/dump%20061120-211655.bmp :) |
| 21:18:42 | dionoea | thanks :) |
| 21:18:45 | * | dionoea was checkouting CVS |
| 21:18:52 | tomal | Ok, I'll try to implement a similar change for plugins |
| 21:19:10 | dionoea | ah ... indeed :) |
| 21:19:18 | dionoea | is the image customizable ? |
| 21:19:25 | dionoea | or buildin ? |
| 21:19:30 | dionoea | *builtin |
| 21:19:38 | amiconn | dionoea: It's the main backdrop you select in the core |
| 21:20:08 | amiconn | Solitaire (and a few other plugins) now use whatever background you select in the core, for a more consistent look |
| 21:20:27 | dionoea | well i'll let you decide :) i don't have an opinion. if you really can't decide you could change that to be an option |
| 21:20:28 | lowlight | if I want to introduce "next track" time, is %Ft appropriate...in also creates in %ft which is equivalent to %pt |
| 21:20:31 | dionoea | (default enabled) |
| 21:20:33 | amiconn | tomal: Perhaps a macro would be sufficient |
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| 21:22:10 | pixelma | dionoea: the problem is a very dark backdrop or background where the inverted cards won't have a visable border anymore |
| 21:22:15 | amiconn | There's a slight ugliness in it - now BSS is cleared twice |
| 21:22:50 | amiconn | First time by the loader, second time within the plugin/codec |
| 21:24:10 | amiconn | In fact it should be sufficient to clear the iramcopy part from within the plugin/codec |
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| 21:33:30 | tomal | amiconn: I removed bss clearing from codec_load |
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| 21:38:05 | amiconn | tomal: That might work for codecs, but not for plugins |
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| 21:38:22 | amiconn | The majority of plugins doesn't use iram |
| 21:39:03 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps that could also be handled by a macro - a little less code in the core :) |
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| 21:40:42 | _ke | my cache-tag-db is like a trash, some files a listed twice and so on.. can i delete it and create a new one? |
| 21:40:48 | tomal | amiconn: I'm not sure I understand. What macro are you talking about? |
| 21:41:03 | amiconn | Well, bss needs to be cleared |
| 21:41:54 | amiconn | Atm the plugin loader handles it, and plugins not using iram wouldn't do it themselves |
| 21:42:25 | amiconn | Perhaps they should, and in order to ease plugin development, this should be handled by a simple macro |
| 21:44:12 | tomal | Or something like plugin_crt0. We should choose one method, for consistency. |
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| 21:50:47 | * | dan_a just wrote a file on the Sansa |
| 21:51:27 | dan_a | ...and I'm a bit confused |
| 21:53:21 | dan_a | When you are writing to a disk, and have less than BLOCK_LENGTH data, what should go onto the disk after the data? |
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| 22:00:10 | amiconn | dan_a: Depends on how large the blocks are |
| 22:00:29 | amiconn | The disk layout probably resembles a hard disk with sectors |
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| 22:00:44 | dan_a | amiconn: 512 byte blocks |
| 22:01:05 | amiconn | If one block is the same size as a 512 byte sector, things are simple |
| 22:01:50 | amiconn | However, if blocks are larger, you need to read the block, change the to-be-written part (one or more sectors), then write it back |
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| 22:02:10 | * | amiconn points towards ata_mmc.c once more |
| 22:02:10 | dan_a | Will the FAT driver pad out the block? |
| 22:02:29 | amiconn | The FAT driver always reads or writes sectors |
| 22:02:56 | amiconn | ...and sectors are always 512 bytes, except on ipod 5.5G |
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| 22:03:45 | shrimants | hello |
| 22:03:46 | dan_a | That means I'm doing something wrong. I've got a load of rubbish after the data I wrote to the file. |
| 22:04:09 | KeyserSoze | anyone know of a standalone IC for audio encoding? |
| 22:04:39 | KeyserSoze | something kinda like this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=305 |
| 22:04:56 | KeyserSoze | (except that only decodes mp3. it encodes to something called ADPCM) |
| 22:06:35 | _ke | in my cache-tag-db, some files a listed twice and so on.. can i delete it and create a new one? |
| 22:06:55 | n1s | sure |
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| 22:07:18 | PaulPosition | _ke If you use 'intialize tagcache' it should delete your old tagcache files and reinitialize from scratch... |
| 22:07:27 | _ke | PaulPosition, ok thanks |
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| 22:08:28 | dan_a | Ah - Hexdump gives the answer to my problem, with a load of 0xefde 0xadbe.... |
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| 22:10:04 | dan_a | The driver is fine - the test program wasn't |
| 22:10:45 | _ke | how can i improve the battery on ipod? i could make some patches, but i dont know what to do |
| 22:13:10 | dan_a | _ke: Anything that improves the efficiency of the codecs will improve battery life. Other than that, it's a case of learning how to turn off parts of the PP50XX SOC which we aren't using |
| 22:13:15 | PaulPosition | _ke - For all I could understand, what is missing is reverse engineering of the different chips, see what could be turned off.. that and finding how to use the second cpu core (though that may or may NOT help with battery).. How to do that, though, I wouldnt know. |
| 22:13:40 | _ke | ok ; |
| 22:13:57 | _ke | because i noticed that rockbox needs twice more then apples firmware |
| 22:14:35 | PaulPosition | Yeah.. Because Apple buys the chips by the thousand, they get the documentation as a nice bonus.. ;) |
| 22:14:42 | _ke | ;) |
| 22:14:55 | _ke | if i have some spare time i will have a look at it |
| 22:15:06 | SoulDeaD | _ke, hack apple and steal the documentation |
| 22:15:06 | SoulDeaD | :P |
| 22:15:08 | _ke | in the mean, thank you for the great work |
| 22:15:20 | PaulPosition | I can only second those thanks. |
| 22:15:29 | _ke | then do that ;) |
| 22:15:52 | _ke | bye |
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| 23:08:02 | hachi | would it be appropriate to speak of loader2 on the new ports thread for the ipod 5.5g ? |
| 23:08:46 | hachi | I can't get loader2 to work, and I'm curious if I'm misreading success on the thread or not, but I don't want to get 'off topic' if loader2 isn't on topic |
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| 23:11:35 | dan_a | I don't think loader2 would be on topic, as it's not Rockbox. I can't speak for the moderators, but I don't think it would be unreasonable to post on there asking anyone who's had success with it to PM you |
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| 23:12:59 | pixelma | hachi: didn't you say that you have the 80GB model of the 5.5g? |
| 23:14:11 | hachi | yes, I do.. but I see everyone saying that it works on the 30GB just fine... and then there are these people complaining about jmp 1000000 glitches |
| 23:14:37 | hachi | I am assuming all these jmp call people are the 80 giggers saying how it hangs on them |
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| 23:39:25 | hachi | I wonder how hard it was to use the buzzer to debug things... |
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| 23:52:04 | bluebrother | hmm. How about removing the rockbox.<player> file from the "supported" view? |
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| 23:52:33 | bluebrother | there are quite a lot of users trying to "open" that "folder" and wonder why Rockbox reboots |
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