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#rockbox log for 2006-11-22

00:00:43zivan56dan_a: goes to the part: if(current_card == 0)
00:01:13zivan56then goes to else statement: else { sd_select_bank(0);
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00:02:55zivan56dan_a: seems to get out of sd_select_bank....
00:03:37sansadictdan_a : received, ill test it once i will have finished downloading original firmware.
00:04:33dan_azivan56: It will probably stop in one of the while loops, or possibly calling sd_send_command
00:04:40pixelmamidgey34: is it possible to put everything in the splash (though I don't know if it will look any better)
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00:07:31zivan56dan_a: that's as far as I am able to debug it without reading up on specs for sd (if any)
00:07:32netmasta10btdan_a: it works! sorta :)
00:07:39Bob7ki was wondering, is there anything for the AV500?
00:07:53Bob7kor just the older archos'
00:08:59dan_azivan56: Without tracing it into the subroutines, can you find out which is the last line in ata_read_sectors which works?
00:09:04dan_anetmasta10bt: Yay!
00:09:17midgey34pixelma: it's possible but it would require a fair amount of code reshuffling
00:09:38Bob7kwhats going on?
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00:11:29netmasta10btdan_a: good job! we know how to turn off the scroll led right? I might have to dig that up and see if I can't get it turn off unless there is a button press, and also tell RB not to check battery until we can actually get a status
00:11:30dan_aBob7k: I don't think anything has been done for the AV500
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00:11:56pixelmamidgey34: maybe it's not worth the effort
00:12:08 Quit JoeyBorn ("time to go home, I mean really home!")
00:12:34Bob7ki wonder if anything will ever be done with it, cuz i have some great ideas
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00:12:58Bob7ksome might be impossible, but its just modifying the exsisting firmware
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00:14:20dan_aBob7k: Have a look at
00:15:44sansadictIt boots :)
00:16:05dan_asansadict: Does it get as far as giving you a list of files
00:16:53sansadictdan_a : it list all my directory but i cant go further
00:16:58pixelmamidgey34: btw the chosen buttons are very intuitive on Ondio - I had a harder time trying it in a H300 sim (I guess it has too many buttons for me) :)
00:17:28sansadictdan_a : says battery is empty (they were full)
00:17:36Bob7kthis is way above me, looks like i might never get to hack my archos, ohwell, ill see what a few friends say about it
00:17:45dan_asansadict: That is because the scroll wheel doesn't work yet. But that means that 6 and 8Gb Sansas should work
00:18:12dan_aAnd don't worry about the battery - we don't know how to check the battery level yet
00:18:24sansadictdan_a : and write shutting down with no effect. i stopped it with the "15 sec press"
00:18:29zivan56dan_a: when I trying to print anything meaningful, it gives me squares on a line
00:18:33zivan56dan_a:ex snprintf("ata_r(s:%u)(inc:%u)",start, incount);
00:18:56sansadictdan_a : right button doesnt seems to work
00:19:32sansadictdan_a : little annoying thing : i dont manage to mount it on linux anymore
00:19:48dan_azivan56: Shouldn't that be snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "ata_r(s:%u)(inc:%u)",start,incount) ?
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00:20:03dan_asansadict: No, we don't know how to use the USB yet
00:20:10zivan56dan_a: err, sure, I haven't done any C is years :)
00:20:31dan_azivan56: No worries!
00:20:48sansadictdan_a : promising
00:21:21sansadicti see a lot of work has been done
00:21:39zivan56dan_a: strange thing now is your mi4 file doesn't get to the logo now, just the insert usb part
00:23:11dan_aIs that the "no partition found" message?
00:24:33dan_azivan56: Does everything still look OK in the original firmware?
00:25:13midgey34pixelma: thats good to hear! i was hoping they weren't awkward for ondio; i think they are for other targets
00:25:22midgey34pixelma: how does this look
00:26:06zivan56dan_a: yes, no problems at all
00:26:45zivan56I couldn't get that sprintf to work, it keeps getting overwriten, and putting a clear screen before it resulted in garbage on the screen
00:27:16pixelmamidgey34: I like it better
00:27:43midgey34do you think "push" should be above "you have xx" or below
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00:28:59dan_azivan56: Did you do: snprintf(buffer, sizeof(buffer), "Stuff to print"); lcd_puts(0,20,buf); lcd_update();
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00:29:46pixelmamidgey34: it would be more logical if it was below I think
00:29:54midgey34all right
00:30:02midgey34dan_a: nice commit
00:30:20dan_amidgey34: There's more where that came from :D
00:31:05zivan56dan_a: nope, not too familiar with how rockbox does stuff, I will try it again later on, I have tons of other stuff waiting for me unfortunately
00:31:36zivan56hopefully its just a small corruption in the FS somewhere
00:31:40dan_azivan56: No problem. Thanks for your help so far!
00:31:54zivan56dan_a: no problem, thanks for the patches :)
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00:35:46netmasta10btdan_a: i changed button_scroll_down in the keymap to button_down (and up) so that works ok in the menu
00:36:12 Quit ender` (" Thats right, babe, Cochrane chortled. Were not possessors, were just like dimensionally disadvantaged. -- Peter F. Ham")
00:36:31dan_anetmasta10bt: I did that too - I've tried a few plugins (not Doom yet, though!)
00:37:24netmasta10btagh, my music dir is hidden −− is there a way in rb to unhide it ?
00:39:24preglowjhMikeS: got a quick flanger going right now
00:39:54dan_anetmasta10bt: General Settings->File View->Show Files->All
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00:41:55preglowit grows more and more clicky with time
00:43:42sansadictdan_a : i see files too :)
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00:43:52netmasta10btman, it boots so much faster :)
00:47:09netmasta10btlooks like it tried to write the config −− it made the file but didnt write anything
00:50:51dan_aAre you sure it didn't write anything? I've just tried saving a config file on mine, and then viewing it (by holding down play and opening it with the text editor) and that worked fine
00:54:28netmasta10bti think I hit the center button, then there were numbers in the top left flipping like 01 02 01 then i couldn't do anything and i had to 15second poweroff
00:54:31dan_aAnd Tagcache seems to work...
00:54:57netmasta10btlet me try again
00:58:08sansadict* update of the database is sooo looong
00:58:51dan_asansadict: On the original firmware? Or tagcache?
00:59:04netmasta10btyeah it wants to save as /.rockbox/config02.cfg −− i hit the center button and then it starts like a play timer that flashes numbers 0:?? - then i can't do anything
00:59:12sansadictoriginal before it reboots on rockbox
00:59:52netmasta10btso its making the file, but its empty
01:01:36sansadictdan_a : its weird. button 6 (on the simulator) aslo called right from the wheel doesnt work all the time. I cant go il "themes" for example.
01:02:15dan_anetmasta10bt: Can you go into Info->Rockbox Info and tell me how much disk space (free and used) it says you have
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01:03:36sansadictdan_a: ->general settings OK display OK browse fonts |blocked|
01:03:38netmasta10btDis: 3.71GB Free: 337MB
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01:04:10dan_asansadict: Do you have any fonts installed?
01:04:26sansadictdan_a: errr, no
01:04:46sansadictdan_a: but cant go in plugins neither
01:05:05dan_aThere possibly aren't on the sim. It works in the real firmware.
01:05:33sansadictdan_a: no i restartedon your real rockbox firmware
01:05:43sansadictrestarted on
01:05:56sansadicteven broken, i love it :)
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01:07:20sansadictnumber from the sim was just to well locate it (for those who drank a lot of beers)
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01:13:53shrimantsso i just got rockbox for my ipod
01:14:01shrimantsand i got all my playlists set up and junk
01:14:13shrimantsand now i realize
01:14:20shrimantsthat the scroll speed is like insanely slow
01:15:31PaulPositionshrimant - There's an option for the scroll speed in settings->general->Display->scrolling
01:15:37PaulPositionmight have a look...
01:15:44shrimantsi just toyed with that
01:15:47shrimantsi put it to 15
01:15:52shrimantsim guessing thats the fastest
01:16:36shrimantsit seems that the scroll that its talking about
01:16:41shrimantsis how fast text scrolls
01:16:44shrimantsacross the WPS
01:16:50PaulPositionarrr right. duh
01:16:52shrimantsinstead of how fast the cursor chooses the next thing
01:17:01shrimantsits ok, i had my hopes up too
01:17:02PaulPositionmy mistake.
01:19:07shrimantsgod damn tho this is SO sexy
01:19:25shrimantsthere is a patch that sets the scroll to a 4 step
01:19:41shrimantsbut i have no idea how to apply it, nor do i want to start screwing with the files like that
01:19:46shrimantsi found the lwalk through
01:20:02shrimantsbut the commands are a foreign language to me, and i'd rather not screw with anything
01:21:29goffawell they are probably linux based commands
01:21:38goffanot that you can't patch in windows
01:21:55goffayou pretty much have to get the source and compile that way
01:21:56shrimantsi no, u use cygwin with the Patch utility to patch it
01:22:47goffaworst case scenario is that the patch doesn't work.. and you put the daily build back on
01:23:35shrimantsgood point
01:24:51amiconnYou can enable paged scrolling in the settings
01:25:22shrimantswould that make the scroll bar go faster?
01:25:23amiconnLine-wise scrolling is slow on ipod video because the lcd update is slow
01:25:34shrimantsoh ok
01:25:50amiconnPaged scrolling only has to refresh the whole screen if it changes page
01:26:04shrimantso i alreaday have that on
01:26:15shrimantsi stil lhave to scroll all the way down to the file tho
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01:26:25shrimantsthere is a patch for 4 step acceleration i could try
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01:26:33shrimantsim just getting the cygwin file and util
01:26:41amiconnOn some platforms you can also scroll by page
01:27:03amiconnDunno whether this is working on ipod (i.e. there is a working button combo for it)
01:27:39amiconnI never use scrolling by page, line-wise was always fast enough for me on my various targets
01:27:55amiconn(which include an ipod but not a 5G)
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01:30:56shrimantsbah im gonna do this later
01:31:05preglowkeeping a flangering h120 next to oneself is really distracting
01:31:13rasherpreglow: commit!
01:31:50preglowpretty testish code as of yet
01:31:57preglowshould put in a menu with parameters and stuff as well
01:32:03preglownext stop: reverb
01:32:09dan_apreglow: What files does it touch? I'm in the middle of some Sansa commits, if you're about to commit anything
01:32:25sansadictdan_a: thanks a lot, i had a great moment. when would be finished builds (meaning distribuable downloadable to test often and see evolutions ?
01:32:32preglowdan_a: not about to commit anything at all
01:32:40preglowif i'll ever commit it, it's a long time off
01:32:54dan_aThat's a relief!
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01:33:19preglowa sound effect plugin sounds somewhat out of main rockbox scope, heh
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01:33:25dan_asansadict: When there's less things missing, and I can't say when that will be
01:33:28preglowunless i manage to squeeze lots of them into one plugin, that might work
01:34:38amiconnpreglow: Not farther outside the scope than e.g. the metronome plugin
01:35:06amiconnBut these sound effects are clearly plugin stuff, nothing for core inclusion
01:35:18sansadictnever mind, ill come often :)
01:35:46sansadictbye, ut 2004 calls me (kill, kill)
01:35:55amiconnpreglow: Did you find why it was starting to click?
01:36:04amiconnThere's still a clicky resampler to fix...
01:38:57preglowamiconn: hmm, no, the problem vanished, suddenly
01:39:23preglowprobably the naive buffering messing up
01:40:01preglowthe clicky resampler really doesn't depend on me to fix it, i'm 99% sure it's not even a bug in my code
01:40:05preglowbut it's on my list
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01:58:03dan_aPhew! All green!
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01:59:47pixelmadan_a: congrats (for the quick progress too)!
02:00:38dan_apixelma: Thank you!
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02:07:56netmasta10btwhew, rb sure eats up the battery −− do we know if it charges in recovery mode ?
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02:07:56dan_anetmasta10bt: I'm pretty sure it charges whenever it's plugged into the USB. I went for about 3 months without booting into the original firmware, and the battery didn't die on me :)
02:07:56netmasta10btah good
02:07:56dan_aRemember that we don't know how to read the battery level yet, so don't believe what Rockbox tells you
02:07:56netmasta10btsure −− i've been trying to find a good way to turn that msg off
02:07:56dan_aFind out how to read the battery properly ;)
02:07:56DBUGEnqueued KICK netmasta10bt
02:07:56netmasta10btah incentive :)
02:07:56DBUGEnqueued KICK dan_a
02:07:56dan_aDoes the clock on your Sansa tell you it's 2:02?
02:07:56***Alert Mode level 1
02:07:56netmasta10btnever changes
02:07:56dan_aWe can't read the RTC yet, either, then!
02:07:56hcsmeh, it's always right once a day
02:07:56***Alert Mode level 2
02:07:56netmasta10bttwice :)
02:07:56***Alert Mode level 3
02:07:56netmasta10btoh there is a leading 0 ..
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02:43:30excitatoryis it normal for transfer rates to an ipod video to be at least 4 times faster than a nano?
02:43:38excitatoryon the same linux pc
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03:08:03Goldeyeanyone familliar with rockbox on the h10?
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03:10:09GoldeyeI'm having a pretty bad experience with it batterywise
03:11:47dan_aGoldeye: I don't know about the H10 in particular, but it is built around similar hardware to the iPod. There are a lot of things built into one of the chips which we don't know how to control - so we are probably wasting a lot of power there.
03:13:32dan_aIf you can avoid doing things that make the disk spin, and avoid doing things that use too much CPU power (so that the CPU can be kept running at its slowest speed for more of the time) then this might help.
03:13:40dan_aHow bad is it?
03:13:59Goldeyemy first day with it, it died in the course of the day
03:14:05Goldeyemaybe an hour of music
03:14:20Goldeyeit wasn't shutting down properly from the look of it
03:14:37Goldeyeif you shut down, does it reboot completely or go into a standby-like state?
03:14:57Goldeyewell, I know which it was doing. but which it was supposed to is what concerns me
03:16:06dan_aAn hour sounds a bit too short. I don't know what the iriver can do, and what we can do with the iriver, but if we can turn it off completely then we should be doing that.
03:16:43Goldeyewhen I was setting it up, if I tried turning it off it shut completely, then during this day it said shutting down, and didn't.
03:17:20Goldeyeeven so I don't know why it'd be dying in 7 hours of doing nothing. :(
03:19:05dan_aIf it didn't turn off properly, then 7 hours battery life might be expected. Did it seem like it crashed when it was shutting down?
03:19:57Goldeyenope. backlight and/or lcd shut off as though by timer, and pushing any button put it right back to before I pushed power. without any reboot.
03:20:22GoldeyeI recall seeing it still saying shutting down inbetween the button press and going back to whatever it was on before
03:20:54dan_aThat sounds strange and wrong, but I'm afraid I don't know what to suggest to help.
03:21:38Goldeyemight've been a fluke
03:22:30Goldeyedoes rockbox usually shut down when power is low but it's plugged in, or is that an h10 thing?
03:22:54dan_aIf it keeps on happening, the best thing to do will be to file a bug report in - or try and catch barrywardell in here, but I've not seen him around for a couple of days.
03:23:38dan_aIf it isn't charging and the power is low, then Rockbox does try to shut down.
03:24:19Goldeyeif not, and I find some time, I might just have to do it myself :(
03:24:46Goldeyenow, plugged in, it seems to be behaving right. :P
03:25:42Goldeyerandom question. is there an alarm plugin or anything of the like
03:28:01dan_aI don't know. Sorry.
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03:33:38Goldeyeah now it shut down well enough :P
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06:08:32shrimantshello everyone
06:08:35shrimantswho is alive
06:09:48shrimantso...k... i guess no one
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06:20:40jbahey guys quick question i asked elsewhere:
06:20:40jba<jba> is there a file browser on the vmware dev platform
06:20:42jba<jba> i can't do a mv * ./newfolder; cause of the way the mv command expands wildcards
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06:29:41jbanot love for jba in #rockbox
06:31:16jbawonder if i can just apt get rox filer or something
06:31:22CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:31:22*jba googles
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06:45:01goffajba: i think its rox-filer
06:45:10goffabut you can aptitude search rox
06:45:15goffai'm probably way too late
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06:46:05goffayou see this jba
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06:46:18goffa22:50 < goffa> jba: i think its rox-filer
06:46:19goffa22:51 < goffa> but you can aptitude search rox
06:46:19goffa22:51 < goffa> i'm probably way too late
06:46:23jbaam seeing it now
06:46:27goffai like thunar better
06:46:48goffajust another file manager
06:46:58jbagoffa i accidentally changed to twm and i can't get baclk to fluxbox
06:47:01jbayou know how to help me?
06:47:07*jba feels like such a noob
06:47:18goffaum.. what are you using?
06:47:33jbathe vmware development image
06:47:39jbawhat ever it uses, yeah prolly gdm
06:47:44jbai just select twm in the menu by accident
06:48:00goffaoh.. well seems like its debian based or ubuntu based
06:48:12goffabut you should be able to ctrl alt backspace
06:48:17goffathen re login
06:48:22goffachecking the right box
06:48:26goffait should prompt you
06:48:27jbawill try
06:49:01jbagood xrestart didn't fir up twm
06:49:21goffacool.. so you're working right again?
06:49:30jbaexcept i got no http
06:49:36jbapower went out here and blew the swtich
06:49:42jbachanged to different machine
06:49:47jbagot irc and gtalk but no http
06:50:01goffaodd.. does irc and gtalk go by ip?
06:50:11goffai guess what i mean is do you have dns
06:50:19goffaor is it a port 80 thing
06:50:47jbait's the web proxy here
06:50:53goffaoh ok
06:52:32goffawell... if you have ssh access to another box that has web access you could use ssh as a temp fix
06:52:38goffaby pointing your browser's proxy to it
06:52:54goffatrying to think of the ssh flag
06:53:10jbagetting the web proxy fixed here
06:53:59jbawas in the middle of a 50MB cvs co too
06:54:07jbaproxy's back
06:54:09jbathanks mate
06:54:46goffacool.. np.. i didn't do anything
06:54:53goffabut now i have to research that ssh command
06:54:56goffabecause i'm curious
06:55:17goffai use putty at work to tunnel into my home box
06:55:33goffabut there's an ssh command to do it too
06:55:59jbawhat's a terminal that has better font support (for larger fonts) than e-term?
06:56:02jbaeterm is shitting me
06:56:21goffaum.. a lot of people swear by xterm
06:56:33goffai use Terminal.. which is a wrapper for xterm
06:56:35jbahow do i change it's font? some rc file somewhere
06:56:36goffaer aterm
06:57:13goffaum.. its called upon launch so i think you have to make an alias in ~/.bashrc
06:57:37goffawith Terminal though (capital t) you can do it via the menus
06:57:42RoC_MMjba, Konsole
06:57:54goffaplus its tabbed, lightweight, etc
06:58:23RoC_MMjba, I think ssh might have a built-in proxy of a kind, try setting putty with this port:
06:58:28RoC_MMor whoever was asking
06:58:41jbaRoC_MM, i got web proxy up, non need for ssh
06:58:48jbajust trying to get a larger font on xterm
06:58:49goffaoh.. yeah.. that's to do it with putty
06:58:51RoC_MMoh right
06:58:56RoC_MMI thought you cared about security, my bad.
06:59:15jbarox-filer needs gtk ?
06:59:18goffatheres just a flag in ssh to do it on linux
06:59:29jbaand pango
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07:00:16danthemanany aussie girls
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07:02:14tonis anyone trying to work on porting creative zen vision m
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07:05:31jbaany terms have aa?
07:05:35jbalike vterminal?
07:05:57jbatrying to get anti-aliased fonts on the dev platform
07:06:07goffaah... fyi its -D port# for the ssh command
07:06:26tonu talking to me
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07:08:18goffaexample: ssh -D 8080 goffa@
07:08:32goffathen you can set your browser proxy to 8080 socks5
07:09:33goffanow i can forget that again .. now that i know ;)
07:13:06jbadamn power went out again
07:13:09jbathat's it home time for me
07:13:21goffagrr.. that has to suck
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07:24:08Genre9mp3jhMikeS: around?
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07:36:28jhMikeSGenre9mp3: yes
07:37:28Genre9mp3jhMikeS: Is the adjusted gray scale balance commit planned for other screens, too?
07:37:40Genre9mp3or just for H100?
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07:39:45jhMikeSGenre9mp3: so it was a good decision you're saying? It should cover all the ColdFire grayscale targets but someone with a device really has to be convinced to make adjustment like that.
07:40:58Genre9mp3jhMikeS: all Coldfire targets = X5 remote, too?
07:40:59jhMikeSI won't adjust anything I can't actually look at to see if it's right
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07:41:29jhMikeSGenre9mp3: I had a look at the remote and it's really dependent on the viewing angle. not consistent
07:41:31Genre9mp3btw... I don't have an H100 I just saw this post:;topicseen#msg58427
07:43:27Genre9mp3jhMikeS: the commit affects only the H100 screen though, right?
07:43:27t0dk0nhmm, on the nov 21 daily build, on my ipod 5g; every time I start it back up, all my settings are gone (theme, wps theme, crossfeed, bass) aren't saved, like they had used to
07:43:31jhMikeSThere was the dithering addition as well so it could be an issue. I just adjusted the two grays on the hardware only a little.
07:44:24Genre9mp3ah.. so yes, it shouldn't be your commit then
07:44:26jhMikeSIt will only change the brightness of the two levels and won't affect any pixelation, but I will look
07:44:51jhMikeSm sure some themes need adjusting to the dithering
07:45:29Genre9mp3well yes... I'll have to adjust iCatcher... just wanted to know if this is only for H100 but maybe it's for all grayscale screens
07:45:41jhMikeSWhen I first put dithering the HiPod Dark theme showed that the background wasn't actually black but (1, 1, 1)
07:46:03jhMikeSamiconn then added it for everthing
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07:47:35jhMikeSAll targets will dither bitmaps with higher depth than the display
07:48:33Genre9mp3Hmmm... as I see from amiconn's commit 4bit bmps are now supported... this is good
07:49:26Genre9mp3I'll may have just to only convert the bmps and not to redraw them... this will also save some wps buffer
07:50:06jhMikeSyes, you could preprocess them to have the four solid colors only and it won't dither
07:50:57Genre9mp3well... it will still dither from 4bit... but I could handle that better
07:51:40Genre9mp3anyway... I'll just have to make some tests first
07:52:14jhMikeSnot if it only consists of colors that don't dither
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08:01:11jhMikeSGenre9mp3: Looking at it I think that actually is to do with me. Before all the gray levels were practically white. Now they're more even so you can see the stray pixels that should be white.
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08:21:48Genre9mp3jhMikeS: It's wrong in the sim, too so I guess it does not have to do with your commit
08:23:56jhMikeSIn part it does. It was already there like that but just less visible before.
08:26:43amiconnGenre9mp3: YOu won't save any buffer by converting the BMPs to 4 bit, as they are converted to native bitmaps on load
08:26:51amiconnBut you will save some space on disk
08:27:01Genre9mp3amiconn: ah...
08:27:06amiconnHmm, not even there, but in the .zip
08:27:16Genre9mp3and some load time?
08:27:36amiconnjhMikeS: Dithering isn't always enabled, but with the flag you introduced
08:27:49amiconnIt's used for backdrops (main and wps)
08:28:29jhMikeSI understand, that's really what I meant
08:32:48amiconnBtw, all BMPs are now dithered on request on greyscale and colour targets, with one single exception: 15 and 16 bit BMPs on a 16 bit target
08:33:31amiconnHmm, and no dithering is applied when requested to be loaded as monochrome bitmap
08:35:32amiconnThe reason is that both 24 and 32 bit BMPs and <= 8 bit BMPs have a colour resolution of 8 bits per colour channel
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08:38:09jhMikeShmmm...voice is hanging after doing lengthy recordings on h120. :/
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08:54:57rasherBagder: What do you think about automatically generated voicefiles? Of course, it'll require lame.. I don't know if that's acceptable.
08:58:28LinusNwould be a good thing
08:58:35LinusNi'm for it
09:00:57rasherOf course, the files are not the greatest quality
09:01:00t0dk0nlame is lame :)
09:01:11rasherBut having something automatically generated would be nice
09:01:55rasherAnd it should pretty much be a question of installing lame, a TTS engine and creating a script to build them
09:03:01t0dk0nand that is what ipod linux is fore
09:03:15scorcheuh...not really...
09:03:20t0dk0nI'm sure you can auto generate without Lame
09:03:21rasherWhat on earth are you talking about
09:03:31rasherDo you even know yourself?
09:03:49t0dk0nknow what, exactly?
09:03:59rasherWhat you're talking about. You're making no sense at all.
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09:04:21t0dk0neh, nevermind me then
09:04:38t0dk0nare you talking about lame, the mp3 encoder for *nix?
09:04:55t0dk0nbecause thats where I might have got confused/lost
09:05:25rasherI am.
09:05:26LinusNi lost you when you mentioned ipod linux
09:05:58t0dk0nah, to port lame, I was just mentioned that thats what ipod linux is for
09:06:21LinusNwe're not trying to run lame on the player
09:06:39LinusNwe use it to encode the voice files on the server
09:06:54t0dk0ndoh *facepalms*
09:07:21t0dk0nsorry for the confusion :)
09:09:36t0dk0nI was thinking of something like using lame as a carnival type function (that text to voice program) to do the voice menus
09:09:55t0dk0nwhich is why I had said 'I'm sure there's other ways without using lame' or whatever
09:11:48LinusNis might be possible to use eSpeak for that, but it might be too cpu intensive
09:12:00t0dk0nhehe yeah
09:12:24t0dk0nbut perhaps more practical, it could name the song title/artist
09:12:28t0dk0nif you were blind
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09:17:00tonanyone here
09:18:06tonis anyone workinging on porting creative zen visoin m
09:18:50t0dk0nyou can port it :)
09:19:29dan_aNobody who has one has started work on it... why not try doing it yourself?
09:19:40*t0dk0n nods
09:20:45tonwell tell me how and i will try
09:21:34t0dk0nlearn c, look at the source code of rockbox from CVS, figure out how to get rockbox to boot on it, implement zen's features to it with that nifty code you just learned :)
09:21:58dan_aton: That's the spirit! tells you a lot of the details.
09:22:10t0dk0naww, or that
09:22:25markunton: there are some people how want to port rockbox to one of the DM320 targets (like the vision:m)
09:22:35markuntalk to daurnimator
09:26:14rashert0dk0n: we can already speak the filenames
09:26:32t0dk0noh, hadn't known that
09:26:38rasherPre-created of course, same deal
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09:35:56daurnimatortalk to me?
09:37:40markundaurnimator: because you have been in touch with other DM320 porters, right?
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09:37:56daurnimatori'm not good to ask pecific questions of
09:38:40Kasperlei made a little patch for, which makes it easier to use it on BSD systems, you can find it here:
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09:40:29rasherKasperle: Wouldn't it make sense to add a test for "gmake", and if that exists, use that. If not, assume that make is gnu make (still, overrideable)
09:41:04rasherif [ `which gmake` ]; then make="gmake"; else make="make"; fi
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09:42:16Kasperlegood idea. but i don't think that syntax would work on non-bash /bin/sh
09:42:19jhMikeSI'm looking for a decent way of declaring symbols that need to be shared between files within a particular system (like between pcm_playback and pcm-coldfire) but shouldn't be used in general and mustn't be declared publicly. Using access functions is not an option but maintaining them invidually amongst all files that contain them can cause inconsistencies. I don't really want to add another header file and was thinking about just using a sp
09:42:23rasherKasperle: Why not?
09:43:00Kasperlerasher: never mind. it does seem to work
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09:43:17Kasperlei was confused by my own shell not being /bin/sh ;)
09:43:17rasheroh wait.. it should probably be "`which gmake`" != ""
09:45:28rasheror just -n "`which gmake`"
09:45:41Kasperleyeah. I think I'd prefer [ -n
09:46:00rasherI just always forget what the various switches to [ are
09:49:21Kasperleok, uploaded another version of the patch
09:49:47rasherI'll have a look
09:51:04rasherdiff -u is prefered, but not important here of course
09:51:05jhMikeSLinusN, amiconn and anyone?? Any way you'd prefer to see that done?
10:02:16rasherKasperle: looks sane, I'll commit and take the beatings
10:02:28Kasperle:D alright, thanks
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10:32:00Kasperlebtw: is it possible for me to close my own tasks on the flyspray?
10:33:12Kasperlegood. that means I wasn't too dumb to figure it out ;)
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10:44:22peturmoin ;)
10:45:21preglowwhy, hello
10:45:46preglowjhMikeS: got flangering going, if you didn't notice
10:45:49preglowthings seem to work fine
10:46:02preglowsometimes i get some clicking, though
10:47:13jhMikeSI saw. Should check this out re: buffering:
10:47:35jhMikeSI don't get any click problems with it.
10:48:10preglowringmod? :>
10:49:41preglowi'll check it out a bit later
10:49:47bluebrothermoin moin ;-)
10:50:54jbaanyone know why the vmware dev image is such an old linux distro?
10:51:26rasherIsn't it simply debian stable?
10:52:02rasherIt wasn't intended, at first to include the kitchensink
10:52:25rasherSo it didn't matter much what was used
10:53:06jhMikeSpreglow: real cheapo but serves as a good example I think
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11:04:30preglowjba: it compiles rockbox just great and doesn't need to be updated every ten minutes
11:04:55preglowjhMikeS: certainly looks good
11:04:58jbapreglow, yeah that's true, but i'm having a hard time moving folders around and stuff
11:05:23rasherThat doens't sound like an "out of date" problem
11:05:29rasherWhat is your problem?
11:05:43jbafor now just trying to get a decnet filer
11:05:51jbathe version of filer in that deb repository is crap
11:06:10preglowjhMikeS: you ever had it skip due to multitasking?
11:06:15jbai have to go all over the place trying to figure out how to launch a damn file browser
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11:07:00rasherSo upgrade the system
11:07:29rasherreplace "sarge" with "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
11:07:44rasherand wait for a while
11:08:17jbaand then risk ruing the gcc env which is the whole reason i'm using this vmware image and not my ubuntu image
11:08:56rasherThe gcc environment is entirely separate
11:09:09rasherAnd you can set it up in the ubuntu image as well
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11:09:34jbai did ask that earlier, is the gcc env (for arm elf) all apt-getable? or must some of it be built from source>
11:09:56rasherThe latter
11:10:21rasherIt's not really something that should be handled by your package manager
11:10:25Kasperlejba: check out tools/ in the rockbox distribution
11:10:36preglowmust be built from source, which is deliberately done so so we don't need to have a maintainer person making packages all the time
11:10:52rasherSince we require specific version of the tools
11:11:14rasherBut yeah, run and everything Just Works
11:11:46jhMikeSpreglow: no, it's never skipped even once
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11:13:53preglowjhMikeS: i did get some weird skipping that got worse with time once
11:14:00leftrightpreglow, I want to edit the wiki with regards to gapless and LAME, are the following statements true, 1) Only targets with HW decoders require the LAME -no gap switch irrespective of LAME version ?. 2) On targets with software decoders, with LAME v3.90.3 and above Rockbox has no problem decoding gapless?
11:14:27jhMikeSthen you're probably falling behind the data rate
11:14:44preglowleftright: everything apart from the version number of lame i can verify as true, and that's only because i don't know
11:14:59preglowbut a certain version did start adding the info tags we need
11:15:52jhMikeSWere you doing effects during the IRQ?
11:16:11leftrightV3.90.3 was the reccomended version of LAME until recently, it has been superceeded by .97, so i assume that from 3.90.3 and above would be gapless with rockbox
11:16:14jhMikeSOr in the callbacks rather?
11:16:18preglowjhMikeS: nono
11:16:23preglowjhMikeS: did it pretty much like you do
11:16:53preglowleftright: probably, only thing i know is that lame has been doing it right for a couple of years already now
11:16:57preglowleftright: maybe more
11:17:24leftrighthmm, I wonder where i can get the version info
11:17:40preglowleftright: i tried searching for it the other day when updating the wiki, couldn't find anything :/
11:17:40leftrightrelative to rockbox gapless
11:18:47leftrightbut, guessing now, seeing as 3.90.3 has been the reccomended version for years it would be safe to say from 3.90.3
11:19:02preglowunless something more specific shows up
11:19:56leftrightok, I'll enter it as from 3.90.3 onwards
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11:20:14leftrighthello Maeka
11:21:56jhMikeSpreglow: odd, can't see any reason for skipping unless the effect can't keep up or the pointers are off somehow. :/
11:22:42preglowthis routine could benefit heavily from some asm, but i don't think it's that slow
11:25:51leftrightthe Archos Studio/Jukebox players are hardware decoders right ?, are there any "modern" players which use HW decoders ?
11:27:26preglowall archoses are
11:27:31preglownope, only the archoses
11:27:35jhMikeSneed to make sure there's a couple blockd behind where you're writing so playback doesn't transfer before you're done, that the other factor I can think of.
11:27:55preglowdon't want too many blocks either
11:27:59preglowlatency needs to be low
11:28:37preglowi just used one and figured that should be ample for this tiny effect
11:28:38jhMikeStrue, just enough and the right size
11:29:27preglowfour is a wee bit much, 4*512 is 50 msec latency
11:29:29jhMikeSthen it could start its next transfer on the one your're working on
11:29:30preglowmore than noticable
11:30:20jhMikeSI didn't fine tune it that much, just cut it down a lot from the delay thing.
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11:32:36jhMikeSI could try dropping the samples/chunk to fairly low like 128
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11:34:47vxhi all$
11:35:33preglowi'll try it out myself later on
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11:36:10*preglow sees his first ever possibility to use emac with a masked parallel fetch
11:36:18jhMikeSyeah, 128 works too
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11:36:51preglowthat is, i only need the masked fetch...
11:38:04jhMikeSI'm _still_ most unfamilar with the emac stuff...haven't had a chance to get into it :(
11:38:35preglowwell, there's not much point to use it unless you're coding dsp
11:39:12preglowah, you're writing to a different buffer than you're reading from
11:39:25jhMikeSsomething I need to teach myself since it's interesting
11:40:08leftrightSoapIsOutOfTown: you around /
11:40:10jhMikeSNot needed in this case. Could have done it in place really as long as playback is clear of where I'm working
11:40:26preglowthat would be better
11:40:45preglowfor optimising, that is
11:41:03jhMikeSMore of an illustration. Some effects might need one way, some another I suppose.
11:41:20jhMikeSOr not?
11:41:37preglowcan't see why
11:43:02jhMikeSthen I guess not but if it's ever called for then either way should be ok
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11:43:58preglowjust thinking that one pointer to keep in a register beats having two pointers to keep in registers
11:44:36jhMikeSsure. I'm gonna change it real quick to in-place. Can get rid of one chunk from the delay then.
11:44:46jbafound it
11:53:40jhMikeSit's working pretty sweet in place. even my typing clicks sound pretty synced.
11:57:08jhMikeScould be the use of a higher priority thread for the DSP part
11:58:22*wehn admires the new usb connected icon :)
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12:10:01preglowwell, if so, it doesn't matter, it should be high priority
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12:13:11markunbut this is not to correct one. GP?DAT should be GP?CON
12:13:18markunand the loop is useless in that case
12:13:34markunoops, wrong window :)
12:17:26jhMikeShmmm...I get some periodic clicking on an x5. increasing the chunk size stops it. could be the color lcd updating so much.
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12:20:01jhMikeSwill try yielding less on the effects thread and more on the UI. guess low latency means timing sensitive :)
12:21:07jhMikeSdefinitely timing
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12:28:53preglownot surprising
12:28:57jhMikeSlatencies will have to be adjustable in a real plugin. x5 needs output 3 ahead. a screen update takes a little more than 15ms.
12:32:09jhMikeS3 chunks of 128 samples is about half the lcd_update time but works
12:41:37preglow15ms, ouch!
12:41:50preglowand that's a fairly lowres screen
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12:43:32jhMikeSWait, that's unboosted :P
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12:44:24JdGordonjhMikeS: hey, thanks for the patch.. is it smaller because its missing the new files?
12:46:02jhMikeSJdGordon: it is? crap?
12:46:17JdGordoni dunno. i just noticed its a faur fw kb smaller
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12:48:02jhMikeSboosted update is about 6.8ms on x5 and two chunks is 5.8ms so that of course wouldn't work
12:49:35jhMikeSJdGordon: you're right it's missing file...bah!
12:49:43JdGordondoesnt matter
12:49:56jhMikeShow, not? updates were in the new files
12:50:08JdGordonoh, well then it does :p
12:50:33JdGordonhave you still got them?
12:50:38jhMikeSBoy I hope so
12:51:28jhMikeSyeah, still there
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12:53:30daurnimatorJdGordon: you
12:54:07JdGordonnm u?
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12:58:10jhMikeSJdGordon: it's settings_list.(h|c) and the menus subdirectory? anything else?
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13:08:50jhMikeSJdGordon: fixed it
13:16:37*leftright hugs his 100gig recorder
13:16:56leftrightflashed and everything
13:17:57*leftright also hugs his h140, jealousy is a bad ting
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13:19:45jhMikeSJdGordon: It was saving global_settings.in_recscreen and the status bar was displaying recording icons outside the screen after a restart. I removed that variable from the settings since it's not really a setting and added a function to query that like there is for radio. I just hope it didn't mean there was some more serious bug though.
13:20:38JdGordonok, I had noticed that and assumed it was because the recording settings were all wrong.. if thats fixed then great :)
13:20:58jhMikeSsure is :)
13:21:41JdGordonoh, sorry for runnig off yesterday after i asked about the electronic circuit.
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13:22:38JdGordon_somewhere_ i have a prorammable chip and progrmmer that i could use, I like the idea of going over the top for it.. but ive just been pointed to a ciruict which looks perfect (and will cost about $2 to make)
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13:31:45jhMikeSsome of the controllers can drive a LED directly with just a resistor. need to check the datasheet if any outputs have enough current cap.
13:32:28JdGordon is what i was pointed to, gonna put it tgether tomorow
13:34:55markunLinusN: I can't delete or update files in the wiki. Are you able to fix that?
13:35:46LinusNare you talking about attachments?
13:35:47jhMikeSJdGordon: oneshot? thought you needed a toggle.
13:35:52oboJdGordon: this still for you keyboard? What happens when the OS overrides the state of the lock buttons? won't they get out of sync?
13:35:52markunLinusN: yes, attachment
13:36:12JdGordonjhMikeS: oh? the guy said the 2nd one is what i wanted.
13:36:17LinusNwhich wiki page?
13:36:26JdGordonobo: yeah, ill add an extra switch under the keyboard to get it back in sync
13:36:36JdGordonlots of empty room under it to fiddle
13:36:56markunBut there are also files on GigabeatInfo that I want to update/delete
13:36:57jhMikeSright, missed the part about toggle
13:37:27jhMikeSthat's the flip-flop thing
13:37:31markunLinusN: "Access check on Main.GigabeatSInfo failed. Action "rename": access not allowed on web."
13:39:37jhMikeSLinusN: didn't see my q about preferrable way to declare shared but essentially private data (like what's needed for both pcm_playback and pcm-coldfire.c)?
13:39:53LinusNi saw it, but i didn't see the problem
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13:40:04LinusNand i just came back
13:41:11jhMikeSIt's just if you just add extern vars/functions in each source and change them, then every souce needs an update too and the declarations aren't checked against the definitions. With the pcm stuff it could be a lot of files involved.
13:42:06LinusNmarkun: did you try to rename an attachment?
13:42:30LinusNjhMikeS: that's what header files are for
13:43:43jhMikeSyes, but it's not like I want it in the general purpose pcm_playback.h and pcm_record.h. They're not to be used elsewhere. As long as you don't mind a header only for that.
13:44:07LinusNi don't see the problem
13:44:21LinusNwhy not have it in those -h files?
13:46:04jhMikeSto not encourage their use in general. I don't want to see code popping everywhere in rb looking at or modifying the data directly when it shouldn't.
13:46:14markunLinusN: yes, rename or delete
13:47:14jhMikeSsuppose I could just leave a comment there
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13:49:50LinusNjhMikeS: yes, it's not like we are protecting us from someone
13:49:55jhMikeSbefore splitting the stuff for the target tree it was all static
13:52:14*jhMikeS is a total tightwad about putting things in headers for the world :)
13:53:07petureager to use C++? ;)
13:53:23*Bagder shivers
13:53:24jhMikeSthat would help
13:56:11jhMikeSwouldn't mind it from a merely a programming standpoint actually
13:56:26JdGordonjhMikeS: just put a comment in the header along the lines of "anyone using this header without explicit permissio will die a horrible gruesome death at the hands of jhMikeS... You have been warned"
13:57:34jhMikeSJdGordon: indeed :)
13:59:20daurnimatordrm it
13:59:37daurnimatorIncludeForSure ;)
14:09:12jhMikeSbut the temptation to just pick at the data or use an internal function instead of extending the public interface can be hard to can the urge to be authoritarian :)
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14:14:13LinusN"public interface"...bah
14:14:50LinusNthe entire rockbox code is public
14:15:25LinusNno need for FBI programming here
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14:19:22vxThanks to dan_a, i was able to test latest firmware for sansa
14:19:37vxare there tests that would need to be done ?
14:19:45vxat my level
14:20:39vxid like to help but dont know how to do
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14:22:25Bagdertesting, fixing keymapping, working on the manul, answering questions
14:22:34Bagderare typical things non-coders can do
14:24:40jhMikeSLinusN: I just like keeping things modular and readily updatable in general to minimize unexpected side effects. having the interface to something well defined seems to make tracking any problems much easier too.
14:25:32jhMikeSthe way memory was handled is a good example
14:25:57LinusNi agree about that - i just meant that there is no need to invent interfaces and hide data structures if there is no actual benefit
14:26:29LinusNand especially not if it is anti-KISS
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14:28:44jhMikeSwell, I'm not even sure all requests for a block of memory are properly handled yet (more are now) and will investigate it. buffer_alloc use being a possible source of difficulty
14:29:03vxwhere is located the keymap ? id like to try to fix a wrong one on my model
14:29:40LinusNvx: apps/keymaps/
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14:31:16vxLinusN: ah, generated before make. looks like i cant change it on the .rockbox directly
14:31:19jhMikeSrecording operated before just out of dumb luck somehow. voice was trashed from IRAM plugins and recording since there was not notification. all habits were a holdover from HWCODEC.
14:31:43LinusNvx: correct
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14:31:59LinusNjhMikeS: not very surprising
14:34:30vxLinusN: so it will wait tonight :/
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14:41:53jhMikeSthe battery patch had some things that shouldn't have been allowed to compile without warning at least...not with the effort at moving to the target tree :\
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14:51:11tuxianeri have a iriver h120
14:51:29markunhey, me too!
14:52:01tuxianermy music is in root/Musik/Band/Album....and with an earlyer version of rockbox i pres plylist/insert shuffeld
14:52:12tuxianerbut with the new version it doesnt work...
14:52:16daurnimatorwhats david bryant's nick?
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14:52:25LinusNtuxianer: define "doesn't work"
14:53:13tuxianeri go to the folder music and hold the button...then i go to playlist insert shuffeld...but no fild was insert...
14:53:15markuntuxianer: do you have "Recursively Insert Directories" on?
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14:54:09tuxianerwhere i can set this?
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14:55:47markuntuxianer: let me have a look
14:56:07markunplaylist options
14:56:23tuxianerin rockbox?
14:56:30LinusNof course
14:56:59theli_ualinuxstb, ping
14:57:11peturtuxianer: next time write your settings to a cfg file before upgrading so that you can import all your settings again ;)
14:57:14tuxianerthanks now it works fine!!!
14:57:46markunpetur: we should really move to a file based config..
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15:00:40*jhMikeS can't wait to not have to reset settings anymore when switching builds
15:00:49preglowgod, that will be nice
15:00:56preglownice in the extreme
15:01:31JdGordonjust gotta figure out how to deal with the non-volatile RAM settings and its good to go
15:02:56jhMikeSJdGordon: any idea about the slowness going away and then popping up again? turned out it wasn't my imagination since it spontaneously returned when working on it.
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15:05:50JdGordonwell that was a great time to shutdown :p
15:05:55JdGordonsaw the message just as everything was closing
15:06:18JdGordonjhMikeS: no, i have actually experienced some slowness in he menus but figured it was voice loading
15:06:38JdGordoni dont expect to be doing much tomrowo s ill hopflly check it out then
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15:12:42vxits weird on my sansa, right button works sometimes but not until plugins or fonts dir
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15:19:27jhMikeSwhy does credits get build every time I build my own plugin?
15:21:05LinusNdependency issue, i guess
15:22:31jhMikeScan't figure how credits should depend on every little plugin I cook up :\ wierd
15:23:05LinusNwhat makes you think it depends on your plugin?
15:23:57jhMikeSIn some way or with something that gets changed every time I change even one character of my source it gets built
15:24:06*preglow flanges
15:24:13LinusNpreglow: k000l!
15:24:23*jhMikeS ringmods
15:24:57jhMikeSpreglow: ready for a pastebin? I want to check it out.
15:25:21preglowjust gotta clean up some hacks
15:26:05preglowdid you do something fancy as part of your inplace processing thing?
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15:27:08jhMikeSYou mean a fancy effect or some programming thing?
15:27:19preglowno, just if you did any big changes to the code
15:27:28preglowthat was somehow important, heh
15:28:01jhMikeSno, just determined that the delay from the effect output to the playback must be greater than the lcd_update time :)
15:30:42jhMikeSwait, start pcm_play_data before starting the thread was important so that the thread pointer didn't get ahead of the record pointer
15:31:04jhMikeSor the recording rather
15:31:14preglowjust pastebin what you've got :>
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15:43:04amiconnjhMikeS: Credits changes every time as it depends on the build time
15:49:35preglowhrm, something just broke
15:50:07jhMikeSuhoh :(
15:50:40preglowjust get white noise, now
15:52:34preglowbah, think i've got it
15:53:43preglowalso, i want malloc in the pluginlib, please!
15:54:31preglowuh, what
15:54:38preglowit sounds like i'm listening to the radio :>
15:55:14jhMikeSI changed it cause I got sick of talking into the mic to test some stuff
15:55:39preglowahaha, right
15:55:45preglowi thought it was my delay making white noise
15:55:46jhMikeSI hope it's radio with effects though
15:56:24preglowmight be, too hard to hear with the reception
15:56:28preglowi'll just switch it back
15:56:48preglowwhat do i need to change? everything that says _FMRADIO to _MIC ?
15:57:27jhMikeSdon't need the SRCF_FMRADIO_PLAYING either ;)
15:57:36preglowfigured out
15:58:05preglowpcm_set_rec_source, rec_set_source
15:58:10preglowenough to have me confused
15:58:38preglowyeah, effect's working now
15:58:49preglowjust add a quick modulation source and pastebin it
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15:59:13jhMikeSThe H120 can have a smaller delay (one less chunk)
15:59:50preglowjhMikeS: it's good as it is
16:00:21ScHlAuChijust a short question about the iriver rockbox - is it possible to change the "start" buttons?
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16:00:28jhMikeSpreglow: you want me to or you are going to? I'm just using the A441
16:00:46jhMikeSor I just don't get what you meant :P
16:01:00preglowget what?
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16:01:57jhMikeS"<preglow> just add a quick modulation source and pastebin it" <−− asking me to?
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16:02:30preglowjust a quick demo
16:02:43preglowjust a pretty widely modulated delay
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16:03:49preglowa bit of feedback
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16:06:19preglowoh, and how do i stop rockbox from idle shutdowning?
16:08:06preglowand btw, i guess the easy way of configuring the plugins would be to let them use the recording screen settings, but i guess it'd be cumbersome to exit the plugin to switch from mic to line in
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16:08:58My_SicHi all
16:09:18preglowswitch the top for loop line of delay_process to:
16:09:19preglow d->delay = (441 << 15) + par_lfo(&trilfo)/160;
16:09:25jhMikeSyeah, it's running without any click at all
16:09:26preglowand the feedback term from 6/10 to 8/10
16:09:32preglowand you'll have a genuine flanger effect
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16:12:08preglowfinally, after speaking about it for years, an audio effect
16:13:04jhMikeSyes, that's the sound :D
16:13:33My_Sici have a problem with rockbox
16:13:34ScHlAuChijust a short question about the iriver rockbox - is it possible to change the rockbox "startup" buttons?
16:13:44My_Sicdata abort with some mp3 tracks
16:14:01My_Sicand just this files
16:14:09preglowa lot of dsp is really practical in fixed point
16:14:12preglowlike generating lfos
16:14:33preglowi think i'll start adding a menu to this thing
16:15:01peturScHlAuChi: what iriver and what startup button?
16:15:13My_Sicalways the same data abort at 000310DC
16:15:38jhMikeShow can I speed the lfo up a bit?
16:15:40ScHlAuChiiHP140 - basically when you press start it starts rockbox - when press satrt+record the original firmware - is there a way to reverse that?
16:15:56peturScHlAuChi: no
16:16:11ScHlAuChias i use the original firmware more due to SRS
16:16:13preglowjhMikeS: "struct lfo trilfo" line, 0xffffffff/44100*freqinhertz
16:16:30peturScHlAuChi: unless you build you own bootloader, which is highly unrecommended
16:16:36preglowjhMikeS: you see i've divided it further to get 4 hz
16:16:41preglowehh, 0.25hz
16:16:43peturSRS sucks, btw ;)
16:16:48ScHlAuChii like it ;)
16:16:52spugwhat's SRS?
16:16:59My_Sicsomeone can help me ?
16:17:02ScHlAuChior does RB have soemthign compareable?
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16:17:06jhMikeSyes, it's very slow
16:17:11BagderScHlAuChi: yes, eq
16:17:12petursome (distorting) audio effect
16:17:29ScHlAuChiBagder: guess i never tested it thoroughly enough ;)
16:17:40pregloweq isn't really comparable
16:17:40ScHlAuChihowever the killer feature forme to stay with rockbox isnt in yet
16:17:44ScHlAuChiMOD file support
16:17:51preglowScHlAuChi: there is a patch for that
16:17:52ScHlAuChii saw the flyspry version but couldnt get it to work
16:18:00preglowit doesn't take everything
16:18:40ScHlAuChii downloaded that version on flyspry - but didnt start for me - so i reverted back
16:18:53ScHlAuChior is there a way to add mod support to the latest version via this "patch" ?
16:18:55preglowwhat do you mean it didn't start?
16:19:05preglowwell, that is the only way to add mod support to rockbox...
16:19:35ScHlAuChii dont remember it exactly but there was soem error message with that version and it did shut down
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16:21:13My_Sicplease help me
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16:22:01BagderMy_Sic: if it happens with the most recent CVS version, file a bug report and provide a problematic for a dev to investigate
16:22:12Bagdera problematic song
16:23:40My_Sicno it's not from the most recent cvs
16:23:52My_Sicit's an rockbox build by myself
16:24:02My_Sicbut i have just adding some little patch
16:24:10My_Siclike use 64mb on my ipod ...
16:24:26BagderMy_Sic: if plain CVS works fine then your patch is the one to blame I'd say
16:24:27My_Sicno patch modify the sound file
16:24:47My_Sici haven't try with the cvs version
16:24:51My_Sici will
16:25:00My_Sicbut it's very strange
16:25:17My_Sicthe audio buffer, when i play a song increase normally
16:25:39My_Sicand at a moment, it's come back to a few value (like 5mb buffering)
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16:25:54My_Sicand some sec after i have a data abort
16:26:01godzirraIf you're using firefox, and you had access to a page yesterday, but for some reason today that page isn't there, is there anyway you can find that page in your cache or something to look at it again?
16:26:33Bagdergodzirra: quite possibly, just scan through your local cache
16:26:43godzirraThats the problem... I can't seem to -find- a local cache
16:27:32Bagderin ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.qfz/Cache/
16:27:37Bagderin my case
16:27:39godzirrawhere would the local cache be? This is on a windows box...
16:27:56godzirraI haev the mozilla/firefox/something.default/ directory
16:27:59godzirrabut inside it there isn't a Cache
16:28:33peturgodzirra: about:cache
16:29:46jhMikeSI like the lfo at 10HZ...boing
16:29:55ScHlAuChipreglow: guess my mistake was that i downloaded those expermiental firmwares
16:30:36godzirrait only matched a binary file
16:30:44preglowjhMikeS: hehe
16:30:58preglowjhMikeS: but yeah, i think i'll just add a settings menu to it
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16:32:58godzirraIf its an https site, it doesnt save it i nthe cache at all does it ? :/
16:33:10peturmost probably not
16:33:27My_Sicno (for more security)
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16:33:45godzirraYeah, I figured.
16:33:53godzirraI just want to look at the exact page I had open yesterday :/
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16:34:54My_Sicif it's an https you have to wait that the site works again
16:35:04My_Sicif not maybe google cache
16:35:19amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, the greylevels are too dark now on my H140 even with contrast = 27
16:35:29jhMikeSx5 should be about the max latency to worry about
16:36:11preglowjhMikeS: should we worry about the screen updating anyway? i don't think we should keep the buffer position counters in ordinary plugins, heh
16:36:12jhMikeSamiconn: I'll think I'll to rethink that. on my H120 they're way too light.
16:37:42PaulPositionHmm.. Menu->info->debug->io gives me nice readings of the buttons/scrollpads values for my H10.. Is there a way to log that? The ADC on the H10 is incredibly noisy and it makes the scrollpad jumpy like its not even possible. I would like to try and have a look at those values, document myself on filtering and *maybe* help a bit at last..
16:37:46godzirraMy_Sic: It is. :/
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16:37:56jhMikeSpreglow: not so much if you're not going to do any live update on the screen. I'd leave at least some gap though. And no, the buffer counters were for debugging purposes
16:39:00jhMikeSamiconn: I suppose user adjustability is needed there.
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16:41:37ScHlAuChipreglow: those flyspry patches - can they be applied on daily builds - or would i have to compile them in myself?
16:42:28n1sScHlAuChi: You need to compile
16:43:09ScHlAuChiguess that isnt as easy to do right?
16:43:38n1sIt's not very hard if you follow the instructions in the wiki
16:43:48GnelikI hate Winsow$
16:44:00GnelikHi people!
16:44:42ScHlAuChihmm anyone here who would be able to compile it for me? ;)
16:47:04jhMikeSamiconn: the 120 and 140 actually have the same panel too (not just same chip)? if so, sounds like they vary quite a bit
16:49:33amiconnThey vary, that's normal
16:49:54amiconnThe h120 and h140 have _identical_ hardware apart from the harddisk and the case
16:51:29n1sDoes anyone have any thoughts on splashing some kind of message when loading a theme or config file and wps/font/backdrop etc is not found instead of just silently failing?
16:51:37jhMikeShmmm...doesn't sound like very tight tolerance on it. I'm just wondering what to do if it's settable. They levels work closely with contrast and there should be a scale visible when setting things.
16:52:19n1ssilently failing to load the missing thing that is, not the config
16:58:59GnelikDid anyone see Barry Wardell
17:00:43bluebrothern1s: I once had such a thing when I was working on theme archives
17:01:02n1sstil have it?
17:01:17bluebrotherat least for the fonts it would be nice so the users recognize they haven't installed the fonts pack ;-)
17:01:45bluebrothernot sure ... but it shouldn't be hard if it's only splashing for fonts
17:01:58n1syeah and backdrops when they try to load one that doesnt fit
17:02:35bluebrotherbut that would be worth a patch
17:02:48bluebrotherunfortunately I'm pretty busy atm
17:03:04bluebrothermaybe I get around looking into the code again at the weekend.
17:03:23n1scan you point me in the right direction (where are the settings applied?)
17:04:11preglowjhMikeS: i guess just one update will kill any latency that is too short, yes
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17:04:30preglow15 msec latency isn't too bad, but still more than i'd like
17:05:00bluebrothersettings_load_config in apps/settings.c
17:05:15n1sthanks, I'll have a look
17:06:36bluebrothershould be sufficient to add a else { gui_syncsplash(...); }
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17:06:59jhMikeSpreglow: pretty much
17:08:02webguest666is it my imagination or is the H120/140 series missing from the bleeding edge downloads ?
17:08:53webguest666Studio is also mising
17:08:59oboand ipod 3gs
17:09:16jhMikeSpreglow: you can probaly just pick a latency based on HAVE_LCD_COLOR or something. Add one more for that.
17:09:56webguest666several archos players are missing
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17:11:32oboinfact everything built by Slasheri's new bulid server is missing
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17:13:50oboNo wonder it's so quick if it's not uploading anything
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17:20:33GnelikAny ideas :/opt/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: cannot find -lmadcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status???
17:22:07bluebrotherlibmad missing?
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17:36:20preglowhow i hate, hate, hate coding menus
17:42:56jhMikeSi think the recording start should be right before the playback start since that biases towards lengthening the latency instead of shortening it when cutting things close.
17:45:43jhMikeSnot too significant though unless logf is being used or something and the DMA stuff is logged
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17:58:20Slasherioh.. how is the upload system working?
17:58:28Slasheridoes it use rsync or something like that?
17:59:28Slasherinope, cvs is used only for downloading new files
17:59:54oboAFAIK it's scp
18:00:22Slasheriok, and scp is called from client side?
18:00:37obono, I think by the build server itself
18:00:38Slasherirsync should be really used.. that would be a _way_ faster than scp
18:00:43Slasheriah, weird
18:01:49Slasheriok, if ssh port is opened from build server itself, then i need to allow that..
18:01:55Slasherii have a strict network border firewall
18:02:11oboas in - the master server sends out the jobs, then scps the results back afterwards
18:02:52Slasherinow ssh should be allowed
18:03:18Bagderwhy would rsync be faster than scp?
18:03:24Bagderthe package is completely new
18:03:43SlasheriBagder: couldn't the old package to be copied first on the master server side?
18:03:52Slasherithen uploading to that package using rsync is _very_ fast
18:04:10Bagderwhat old package?
18:04:18Slasherithe previous build
18:04:31Slasheriso something like that:
18:04:43Bagderit would make a very complicated script
18:04:54Slasherimaster$ cp
18:05:17Slashericlient$ rsync -az master:
18:05:23Slasherii don't think that is very complicated
18:05:30BagderI beg to differ
18:05:41Bagderthe servers build very different build each times
18:05:49Bagderonly the job to find the "old" build is tricky
18:05:53obohow well does rsync work with zip compressed files? wouldn't the contents change too much for rsync to be useful?
18:06:01Bagderand would depend on previous things in a way the current system doesn't
18:06:13Slasheriit doesn't matter which old one it's. It only matters that it's for the same architecture
18:06:22Slasherirsync is quite smart at spotting the differences
18:06:27Bagderyes, but it would also have to exist on the server
18:06:41Slasherion the master server? of course
18:07:04Bagderand that would be tricky
18:07:16Slasherii have always used rsync at transferring over network and usually there has been a lot of changes
18:07:17Bagderto figure out what build you have that is old and have that same old one on the server
18:07:24Slasheriand the transfer takes something like 2s at max
18:08:11Slasherihmm, i don't see how that is tricky if the packages has been previosly uploaded to the server.. the package can be anything
18:08:20BagderI'm not arguing that rsync is bad, I'm just saying that changing the script to do this is not what I intend to work on
18:08:23Slasherirsync takes care at updating it with the right content
18:08:48Bagdersure, but different servers do different builds each time
18:08:55Bagderthe server would need to backtrack what the server did the last time
18:09:00Bagderand be sure to keep that old version around
18:09:25Slasheriold version is not needed
18:09:39Slasherirsync does not generate a diff from old files
18:09:56Slasheriit calculates checksums and determines at runtime what chunks to transfer
18:09:59Slasheriand how
18:10:23Bagderyes, but in order to not have to send the whole file, it sends changes to an existing one
18:11:22obojust the last build, doesn't need to be the last build done by that particular server?
18:11:54Bagderthey do differ somewhat so it would have to be the same server
18:12:29obodifferent gcc versions etc?
18:12:43Bagderyeah, and the lame different version strings thing
18:12:49Bagderthat sets the local time
18:13:34preglowthe manual makefile sits _really_ badly with dash
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18:14:46preglowshould echo "\n" result in a newline?
18:15:06oboshould result in 2... unless you use echo -n ??
18:15:09preglowbash doesn't think so, but dash and zsh does
18:15:39preglow/bin/echo doesn't either
18:16:23leftrightdamn but Helles is a verdamt goetes bier
18:16:29preglowleftright: which helles?
18:16:50leftrighter Lagerbier Hell
18:17:36leftrightAugustinerbrau Munich
18:17:36preglowseveral beers called that too
18:17:41preglowahh, yes
18:17:44preglowthat is a nice helles
18:17:54leftrightverryy tasty
18:18:19preglowhad it once, courtesy of the german neighbour i had
18:18:43leftrightin comparison South African beers are atrocious
18:20:01preglowno one who knows how echo should behave here? :/
18:21:22crwlli think only echo -e "\n" should result in a newline
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18:21:51preglowok, so dash and zsh are buggy
18:21:58preglowhow nice
18:23:13SlasheriBagder: no, rsync never sends to complete file unless it's really necessary
18:23:45Bagderyes, but that requires that there's a common base to diff on
18:23:51Slasherii am not exactly sure how rsync does the comparing, but the file on the server and client can be totally different
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18:24:21Slasheribut rsync uses checksumming on both sides to replace necessary portions of the destination file so they became identicasl
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18:24:50Slasherirsync even shows the obtained speedup after transfer
18:25:06Slasheriusually that can be very high, something like 10x or 100x compared transferring the complete file
18:26:04ToyKeeperrsync doesn't always transfer in chunks like that... it often operates in whole-file mode.
18:26:24foolshhi all im having trouble installing the cygwin packages from the repositories follow these instructions i get to the part after adding the "User URL" when i look for package Devel - * they are not there only the sdl package
18:26:49ToyKeeperIt's quite often faster to transfer the entire file than to checksum pieces and send only what's different.
18:27:43foolshnever mind fixed have to uncheck hide admin packages
18:30:06sedchiroHi All, I am having some trouble to compiling since the november 19th daily source. I am getting many error lines with the file rdf2binary.c like this one "rdf2binary.c:24:23 error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory". The files are there in /firmware/include/ So someone have an idea
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18:33:28Bagdersedchiro: that is a local tool so it should use yout native compiler's sys/types.h
18:33:39Bagderie not the one in firmware/include
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18:41:37sedchirothank you for the info Badger
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18:44:33excitatoryis it normal for transfer rates to an ipod video to be at least 4 times faster than a nano?
18:44:49excitatory(via amarok, if that matters)
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18:45:24sedchiroBadger : But what I found very weird, it's that I didn't change nothing in my compiler setting, I just download a new daily source?
18:45:37oboexcitatory: sounds about right if you're letting the nano reboot into disk mode when you connect it
18:45:54oboexcitatory: if you boot it into the appleos the nano will transfer much faster
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18:48:30excitatoryi was thinking perhaps because of the flash vs. harddrive issue..
18:49:14excitatoryobo: well, diskmode is quite slow, but even running the apple os, the video screams in comparison to transferring to my nano
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18:50:52oboexcitatory: I don't know how much of a difference flash vs. hdd makes...
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19:15:05lowlightpreglow: are the values for CPU_INT_STAT and CPU_HI_INT_STAT typos in export/pp5020.h? Seems so according to
19:16:56peschmaeI've been trying to build the sansa target (Normal build, gcc 4.1.1) it stops with the sudoku plugin:
19:17:29peschmaeOBJCOPY sudoku.rock
19:17:29peschmaearm-elf-objcopy: there are no sections to be copied!
19:18:25peschmaeNow I've been trying to find the exact commands it's running but the build system seems quite complicated
19:18:45peschmaeThere is however no sudoku.rock
19:19:49peschmaeso the point OBJCOPY is making is right
19:22:26excitatoryi think everyone here would really appreciate this:
19:22:34preglowlowlight: i don't know what they are, but they work
19:22:50preglowlowlight: should probably be changed back, feel free to do it :)
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19:23:12lowlightpeschmae: look in plugins/sudoku/SOURCES
19:24:42peschmaehmm, sansa, and what does that tell me?
19:25:24lowlighttells you it's not being build for sansa
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19:26:14peschmaeRight, that's ok with me. No need for sudoku. But how do I make it ok for the build system as well?
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19:27:46lowlightpreglow: like *I* know what values to use :)
19:28:27preglowlowlight: just do what the values below them do
19:28:45preglowit doesn't matter anyway, pp internal addresses are aliased all over the place
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19:29:14dan_apeschmae: That's strange - it works for me with a clean CVS checkout. Where and when did you get the Rockbox source?
19:29:41peschmaeFrom cvs, quite a while ago, but updated this evening
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19:34:38dan_apeschmae: Have you tried doing a "make clean" and then running tools/configure again?
19:35:28peschmaeyes, of course
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19:38:18dan_aIt looks like maybe apps/plugins/SUBDIRS is the key to this - but I don't understand why things work for me and not for you!
19:41:22peschmaeYes, finished building now with a #ifndef around the sudouk in the SUBDIRS file
19:45:53peschmaeJust checked with a fresh cvs checkout - is the same; nothing wrong with my updating.
19:47:07spugwhoo boy, the battery's drained fast when i transfer files
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19:54:16dan_apeschmae: I'll get that fixed ASAP
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20:12:14amiconnLinusN: ping...
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20:21:05lowlightI need some arm assembly help
20:24:54lowlightsomeone help me decipher this
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20:28:11preglowit loads a byte from 0x6000d13c, shifts it left 29 times, shifts it right 31 times, then jumps to the result
20:28:42preglowah, no, no
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20:28:47preglowit's the return value
20:28:55preglowit returns to whatever called it with that as the return value
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20:29:07preglowit just extracts a bit
20:29:50PaulPositionis that some weirdo way to round out a value? (not that it matters as I understand sh!t all about programming..)
20:29:55PaulPosition..just curious.
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20:30:19lowlightok. easier with a mask.
20:30:26preglowbasically the same as (valueat0x6000d13c & 0x00000004) >> 2
20:30:38preglowit's done that way on arm for efficiency reasons
20:31:20amiconnGIPO_L bit 2
20:34:01peschmaedan_a, thanks btw; it displays some weird characters on my sansa's screen now. Seems I'll have to start looking at the code one of these days ;-)
20:34:47lowlightcool...GPIOL bit 2 = USB plugged in
20:34:55dan_apeschmae: No problem. What kind of weird characters? It should start up with a list of files on your drive.
20:35:09lowlight^ for my Olympus MR-100
20:35:14n1sHow can I prevent a splash from splashing over another splash?
20:36:11peschmaedan_a, oh, hmm, no, that's no file list; i'll have to look again to see what characters
20:36:46Larsieany progress on the scroll wheel in the sansa?
20:37:38dan_aLarsie: Not yet (unless anybody else has been quietly working on it)
20:37:48Larsiecouldn't it be that the that a bit on one of the GPIO's changes so quickly that you can't see it? maybe we need to keep a log of it for a short moment?
20:38:35lexwhy the 5.5G development is so freezed? :(
20:38:36dan_aIt could be, or possibly it isn't connected to the GPIO. I don't think it will work the same way as the other buttons.
20:38:42lexi can't wait to get rockbox to my 5.5G
20:38:48lexwith the apple os
20:39:00peschmaedan_a, it shows the GPIO (A-L) and ADC (1-4)
20:39:02LarsieI also read something about OPTO ports on the portal player website
20:39:17Larsiewhich can be used for more than 2 axis
20:39:26peschmaeBut then maybe I did not install something it needs. I have probably not yet read all the docs.
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20:40:20dan_apeschmae: You've built a bootloader build. It shows those to help us work out what they do. You'll see some of them change on their own, some of them change when you press buttons, and some of them change if you do other things
20:40:21Larsiebut they are connected to GPIO aswell
20:40:51amiconnLarsie, dan_a: The opto ports are where the ipod scroll wheel is hooked up as well
20:41:26amiconn(except mini g1)
20:41:30dan_aLarsie: What somebody could do at some point is make a build where any bit that changes on the GPIOs gets highlighted.
20:41:34peschmaedan_a, yes, how I originally understood this; but then I did not get a mi4 file from the normal build
20:41:40peschmaeso i figured I was wrong..
20:41:41Larsiebut I think the sansa scrollwheel is a lot simpler that the ipod one
20:42:01Larsiejust a button right and left everytime it 'clicks'
20:42:26dan_apeschmae: Do you have mi4tool in your path? I guess you must have to make the bootloader build
20:43:41*dan_a doesn't understand the build system yet
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20:44:12n1samiconn: since you're the lcd man :-) how do I prevent a splash from being diplayed on top of another one?
20:44:22amiconnYou can't
20:44:50amiconn...other than in the calling code of course
20:45:16n1sbummer, was making the settings splash an error when trying to load a non existant font
20:45:52n1sbut it get splashed under the "Settings Loaded" thing and that doesn't look very nice, any ideas?
20:45:56Larsiedoes ATA work in the bootloader build aswell?
20:46:06dan_aLarsie: It should do
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20:46:55LarsieI'll try to make some kind of thing to make it log changes when I press a certain button for a second or so
20:47:11peschmaedan_a, not really afaict
20:47:28peschmaedan_a, btw it says on your hp that rockbox now uses scramble (which is in the tools dir)
20:48:05LarsieI mean, it starts when I press that certain button, well never mind, I could better start programming right now :)
20:49:19peschmaedan_a, oh, yes, that seems to be right for the bootloader but not for the rockbox build part
20:49:54peschmaeJust didn't see the error message in the output.
20:50:01lowlightcan't the sansa's use the debug > ports menu to see the gpio values?
20:50:46Larsieyes it does, but I think we can't see the change of the scroll wheel because it's too fast
20:53:04lowlightcan you read the adc? that's apparently how the h10 scroll pad works.
20:53:42pixelman1s: you are working on the manual, too, right?
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20:54:02dan_alowlight: Not yet
20:54:08n1spixelma: yep, a little bit at least ;-)
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20:54:24pixelmaSince you are the only one around atm... today I noticed that there are threes different styles of referring to the direction keys in the button tables (i.e.: up /down : up, down : direction keys)... do you know what would be the preferred way?
20:55:47n1syes I've seen that to (and I am probably to blame for some of them) but I don't know of a general preferred way but I like the up/down etc most
20:56:29lowlightpreglow: is LDR R2, =0x6000D034 ; SUB R2, #0x14 ; the same as LDR R2, =0x6000D020 ?
20:57:19n1sWas kind of waiting for the actions for plugins to get done before trying to tackle those buttonmaps for now...
20:57:44pixelman1s: me, too with the addition that I like to have a space before and after the splash (there are both versions too) to distinguish between the "On/Off" button and different buttons
20:57:55pixelmaslash of course
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20:58:15n1syes the space is nicer
20:58:35preglowlowlight: well, yeah
20:58:49preglowlowlight: but why'd you wanna do that?
20:59:11preglowoh, right, disassembly
20:59:41lowlightI don't...just trying to understand the Olympus MR100 bootloader
20:59:44amiconnNo, it's not
21:00:12pixelman1s: so I will first concentrate on correcting everything except plugins in the Ondio manual... and leave the rest to you ;)
21:00:32amiconnLDR R2, =0x6000D034 loads the contents from address 0x6000D034
21:01:04preglowno, it loads the constant 0x6000d034 from some arbitrary memory address as an offset from pc
21:01:17preglowwhere the compiler makes the offset
21:01:26preglowwell, yeah, i'm almost sure
21:01:39amiconnHmm, that's a confusing way to write it...
21:01:42preglowalmost because i haven't done arm as in a little while
21:01:54preglowhmm, perhaps
21:02:05amiconnHmm, now I think you're right
21:02:14preglowbut yeah, afaik, = before a constant means "put this constant in the literal pool, then create a pc relative offset to it"
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21:02:44lowlightso LDRB R1, [R2] loads the value of R2 into R1, right?
21:03:07preglowit loads the byte at address r2 to r1
21:03:27preglowmov r1, r2 would do what you said
21:03:40amiconnNot exactly...
21:03:51*amiconn can't think today
21:03:56preglowi know the feeling
21:04:14preglowi've just fixed two "bugs" caused by me being what seems like unconcious while coding
21:04:25amiconnarm is often plain confusing
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21:04:44preglowi don't really think so
21:04:44preglownever had much trouble with it
21:04:45preglowbut like i've said, my first asm language was x86
21:05:01amiconnMine was Z80 :)
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21:05:43preglowi actually never touched asm on my c64
21:05:52preglowwhich really was my only programmable machine before the pc
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21:09:30webguest07hmm, the h120/140 is issing from the bleeding edge builds, as well as some Archos targets
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21:09:48lowlightpreglow: help me out here...
21:10:20lowlightis that similar to GPIOD_OUTPUT_VAL |= 0x40;
21:10:42lowlightsimilar in concept anyway
21:10:50webguest07Bagder LinusN Zagor, any ideas on the missing targets on the Bleedign edge downloads page
21:11:51lowlighti think Slasheri fixed his servers...probably just needs a commit to start another build.
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21:14:11amiconnlowlight: I'd say that it does GPIOA_OUTPUT_VAL |= 0x3F;
21:14:24amiconnThe R4 load doesn't seem related
21:15:24lowlightamiconn: thanks, that's what I thought (R4 is used later)
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21:25:25dan_aDoes anybody know if the H10 bootloader can boot the original firmware?
21:25:38PaulPositiondan - nope, not at this moment..
21:25:58dan_aDarn - I was going to try stealing it for the Sansa!
21:26:43PaulPositionBarry didn't think it worthwhile to develop that.. I understand he'd rather find a way to allow recording and FM tuner than work on a workaround. :)
21:26:56LearInteresting... Some code I just wrote apparantly makes the sim restart/reset in an interesting way. :)
21:27:31dan_aPaulPosition: How do H10 users get back to the original firmware, then?
21:27:36lowlightPaulPosition: you try pressing left at boot?
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21:27:55PaulPositionUMS/disk mode and rename the system file.
21:28:29PaulPositionYeah, left press gets a rockbox error -1 warning..
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21:32:53shrimantshello, is anyone here
21:33:06Larsiewell I am :P
21:33:13shrimantsdo you know how to patch?
21:33:24Larsiepatch < file
21:33:33Larsieor create a patch?
21:33:34shrimantswhats < file mean
21:33:44shrimantslike i type patch <
21:33:50shrimantsand then the name of the patch or the name of the file?
21:33:54Larsieyou type "patch <" and after that the filename
21:34:21shrimantsand i need to be in the directory of the patch AND the file, right? they gotta be in the same place?
21:34:28lowlightPaulPosition: have you tried what the comment says in bootloader/h10.c before load_iriver()
21:34:50LarsieI always put the patches in the root of my source directory
21:35:20Larsiesometimes you need to do "patch -p1 < filename" if it can't find the files to patch
21:35:32shrimantsok lemme try this
21:36:00PaulPositionlowlight - Gonna have a look.. Up till now, the (rare) times I had to go back to OF I used to delete and rename the h10.m14 file from the rockbox UI.. :p
21:36:15PaulPositionBut of course I can't get back to rb.
21:38:50shrimantsdo i need the rockbox source to patch? or do i need the latest daily build?
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21:44:26shrimantsfuck it i give up
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21:45:58dan_aGosh. That sort-of worked!
21:46:35dan_aI've just booted the decrypted Sansa OF using a modified h10 bootloader
21:47:16PaulPositionnice! (well, I guess :p )
21:48:07dan_aThe only problem is, the buttons don't work... and it's not been recognised as a USB device :(
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21:53:05DeefHmm 11: =..: not found
21:53:34DeefHow can I get the Playlist Catalog to refer to a directory other than /Playlists?
21:53:39antipastican someone explain me more ?
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21:56:30netmasta10btantipasti: did you run make tar or something or directly ?
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22:00:48n1syay it actually works :-) (without 3 splashes on top of each other)
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22:11:33PaulPositionlowlight - Thanks for the tip about bootloader/h10.c ... It doesn't work (craps out with a warning about missing system files) but it's much closer to completion than I ever thought it would. Wish I understood something, anything, about programming anything else than vb and php. :p
22:12:54dan_aPaulPosition: If you can do VB and PHP, you can do anything else
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22:13:26PaulPositionWell, I guess I meant 'if I understood anything that doesn't have a nice API'.. :p
22:13:59PaulPositionThough plugins are in the realm of the possible.
22:14:31dan_aI wish I knew why the checksum on my rockbox.e200 file was being calculated incorrectly :(
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22:20:38low_lightamiconn, preglow: simple question for you...what's the difference "LDRB R1, [R2]" and "STRB R1, [R2]"
22:22:15dan_aThe first loads r1 with the byte at the address in r2. The second stores the byte in R1 to the address in r2
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22:26:03dan_aWoohoo! I just booted Rockbox using a Rockbox bootloader!
22:26:41low_lightdan_a: I think I understand
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22:26:55dan_agoffa: That's the easy bit... booting the original firmware using the Rockbox bootloader is the challenge
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22:27:24dan_alow_light: The first reads memory into a register, the second writes a register into memory
22:28:59low_lightok. Seems like this bootloader does a lot of unnecessary loading & storing
22:30:21*low_light check for a "Black Friday" sale on Sansa's
22:31:58low_lighthmmm...e250 for $100
22:32:40dan_alow_light: Normally there will be something done to R1 between the load and the store.
22:33:09goffawhat kind of storage does the sansa have?
22:33:16Bagdernand flash
22:33:47Bagder(NAND being kind of obvious these days)
22:36:03Seedanyone with H320 here?
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22:41:54desboi wonder if anyone could help me with a problem i'm having with my ipod 3g... just installed rockbox and it's working fine on the ipod, but connecting it to the pc (xp/usb) gives me device not recognised
22:42:50dan_adesbo: Rockbox can't use the USB yet - you'll have to use disk mode or the original firmware to copy files over.
22:43:18desbohow can i use disk mode?
22:43:25low_lightlater all
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22:44:40habana"Rockbox can't use the USB" is it general for all devices ?
22:45:26Bagderit varies over the various targets
22:46:20dan_adesbo: Shutdown Rockbox by holding Play, then turn your iPod on while pressing the right combination of buttons. I can't remember which ones you have to press, but Google should help ;)
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22:48:12PaulPositionAnyone understand .mi4 files? I'm trying to understand this statement : "This function expects a file called "/System/Original.mi4" on the player. It should be decrypted and have the header stripped using mi4code." .. Now I could decrypt the h10.mi4 file but how about stripping header? The 'hexdecode -s' seems to be made for .bl files not mi4..
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22:49:33dan_aPaulPosition: mi4code decrypt -s <infile> <outfile>
22:49:35Bagdermi4code decrypts
22:50:26PaulPositionOh really? lemme try, I thought -s only applied to 'mi4code hexdec'...
22:50:55desbooh yeah, thanks dan
22:51:05dan_ayou're welcome
22:51:53dan_aBagder: I'm getting somewhere with a real bootloader, only the original firmware goes all weird when I boot it.
22:52:29Bagdersounds like barry's experiences when trying that on the h10 ones...
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22:53:42dan_aIt's not crashed, because the scroll wheel lights up if I turn it, and then the light goes out a bit later.
22:53:47Osevents33Am I here?
22:53:52preglowOsevents33: apparently
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22:54:09preglowOsevents33: though it depends on your philosophical view of things
22:54:18Osevents33Then Im nowhere
22:54:42Osevents33Yes I am
22:54:49preglowlet's just pretend you are
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22:55:04habanaor jut drunk ;)
22:55:04preglowit simplifies communication with us who also might not be here
22:55:09Osevents33Are you hving sum fun disc here? =)
22:55:11SoulDeaDOsevents33 you are there
22:55:14SoulDeaDi am here!
22:55:17Osevents33You got me!!!
22:55:25Osevents33No, not drunk really... yet, ...
22:55:27Osevents33I thinkg
22:55:45*Bagder says nothing
22:55:49Osevents33A 15 of age scotish
22:55:49habanathink different lol
22:55:51preglowBagder: you're not even here
22:55:52SoulDeaDOsevents33 when you drink you don?t think
22:56:08Osevents33with a .... some beer b4 that..
22:56:11preglowwell, that went quickly
22:56:26Osevents33Li... how the h to spell that..
22:56:57SoulDeaDho ho ho :)
22:57:06Osevents33Where are you from, amigos and amigas(?)?
22:57:17SoulDeaDwe?re from everywhere
22:57:25habanaparis france
22:57:26Osevents33thats the spirit
22:57:38habanano !paris
22:57:57habanaspam spam spam !
22:57:58SoulDeaDsofia, bulgaria
22:58:13Osevents33I also wanna spam!
22:58:31PaulPositionIs there a Hilton hotel in Paris? I'd feel yucky-yeach sleeping there... :o
22:58:46Osevents33Go to my site: hpppT/???
22:58:51habanalol, paris hilton is too slim
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22:59:06Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22:59:21habanait the original viedo from monty python
22:59:36habanawhere spam word come from (would)
22:59:38Osevents33Ah, yeah I remember
23:00:01Osevents33Why..... does it not
23:00:15Bagderstop it
23:00:37Osevents33ok, sorry. Just wanted to test wich... you know
23:01:00Bagderthis is #Rockbox, you're free to discuss anything related to Rockbox
23:01:20Osevents33What is related to Rockbox?
23:01:21habanaBagder: sorry, did we make too much noise for your children ? sorry. i hope we didnt wake them !
23:02:08habanaare you lost here ?
23:02:24Osevents33I know one thing to contribute... co... with... Im swedish
23:02:37PaulPositionOsevent - Actually, Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail' features the 'Neeeeee!' guys, not the wiiiii guys (that's nintendo).
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23:03:15Osevents33Anyway, I have today seen the worst video ever. And of course I found it among swedish vids.
23:04:32***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:04:33Osevents33The song is alright but the video is... do they have to make people think swedish people are retarded...
23:04:52*preglow arms bagder with +o
23:05:01Kick(#Rockbox Osevents33 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
23:05:56PaulPositionWell, well... As I thought, there's no way to boot into OF on the h10, though with a beheaded/unencrypted mi4 it (seems to) go pretty close to getting in. Yeah it's no use as I can't even begin to understand what happens but it makes me feel like an adventurer..
23:06:08PaulPositionI guess I need to go outside and buy myself a clue... or a life. :p
23:06:20BagderI hear life's are overrated
23:06:25Bagderlives even
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23:06:51preglowclues are cheaper
23:06:57dan_aLives are for people who haven't got computers yet
23:06:59oboPaulPosition: do you have any problems accessing the debug menus on the H10s?
23:07:44PaulPositionNope, but I use an old build... why?
23:07:55dan_aPaulPosition: What happens when you try to boot the OF? We need dual boot for Sansa, until we know how to work the USB
23:08:23oboI wrote a new debug menu to try and help someone solve an issue they had, and they said that any debug menu they entered locked up...
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23:11:51PaulPositiondan - Well, last I tried it went through rockbox splash and a 'loading iriver firmware' message then showed the iriver's splash screen and froze with the backlight on.
23:12:40PaulPositionJust tried again twice.. Once it hung during the rockbox boot. Second went like the first time, up to the iriver's screen.
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23:13:00dan_aIf I boot without the USB plugged in, it seems to be working... until I plug the USB in
23:13:01PaulPositionSo it's not something 'exact' or consistent.
23:13:16PaulPositiondidn't try with usb...
23:14:23PaulPositionlol.. With usb connected it went to UMS/disk-mode as if I pressed right instead of left. :o
23:15:10dan_aHah. I can do everything but play music or use the USB :(
23:15:14dan_aI wonder......
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23:15:42PaulPositionWith the OF ?? Jeez, that's almost a success!
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23:17:11dan_aI suspected it might be something to do with the coprocessor, but it doesn't look like it is.
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23:18:17PaulPositionobo - is that debug menu in cvs or is that a patch? I might try and test for you, that's about all I can do to help.
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23:19:18oboPaulPosition: they were reporting that it locked up even in a clean cvs build
23:21:59PaulPositionobo - downloading and installing to target.. I'll tell you how it goes.
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23:26:29PaulPositionobo - Well 'view io ports' works wonder... Do you by any chance remember the button combination to get back from there?
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23:26:50oboPaulPosition: I think it's left to back out of the debug screens
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23:27:28oboPaulPosition: thanks for testing
23:27:48PaulPositionobo -well that's just clean, latest cvs...
23:28:18oboyup, they reported both clean and patched had the same problem... so I've got no idea what was going wrong at their end :)
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23:29:09PaulPositionWell I can't find the combination to go back, but os stacks shows just fine and it hasn't frozen either.. has a question
23:29:47*z0de has a question
23:30:09PaulPositionz0de - that's a nice statement... Now for the question?
23:30:20z0dehow do you make rockbox play music fastwarded instead of doing ministeps
23:30:56z0deive found the option but if i click i go to the speed selection which i can change but it doesnt remember that i changed from ministeps
23:31:04z0dei have an x5l btw
23:32:36midkay_fastwarded? ministeps? speed selection?
23:33:29PaulPositionz0de - sorry, I for one don't know.. You want to hear the music faster or what? Speed selection (actually, acceleration) is for seeking faster into the file but I don't think there exist any sort of 'pitch x 600%' speed setting, no.
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23:34:34midkay_we have a pitch screen, if that's what you mean, z0de.. i don't know where you got "fastwarded" or "ministeps", though.
23:34:39z0denope thats not what i want
23:34:51z0deill list the menu options i used to get to the bit i mean
23:35:04midkay_FF/RW speed/accel?
23:35:19z0dethats the one
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23:35:24midkay_i thought those weren't what you wanted... what's your question then?
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23:36:12PaulPositionYou won't get a continuous stream of sound from FFWD if that's what you mean.
23:36:36z0deso i cant make them sound like chipmunks?
23:36:47midkay_haha. you can kinda with the pitch screen..
23:36:50PaulPositionz0de - You can, with the 'pitch' option.
23:37:18z0dei just wanted an easer way to find a part in a song without knowing time stamps
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23:37:56midkay_ah, well, sorry, there is no way to do that right now.
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23:38:19z0dethats fine
23:38:23PaulPositionSorry, that was cool in the good ol' time of the walkman (press play and ffwd) but I don't know of an mp3 player that does this..
23:38:44z0deneither do i, but this is rockbox
23:39:23z0dedo you think it would be possible?
23:40:34midgey34does someone want to close this?
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23:40:53midgey34pixelma's new logos should have fixed that
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23:41:25PaulPositionI have no idea, z0de. But have a look at the pitch screen, see how far you can push it maybe it helps you anyway.
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23:42:12z0deits not really pratical to adjust pitch just to find that cool solo
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23:43:31pixelmamidgey34: it looks like someone closed it 20 minutes ago :)
23:43:48midgey34woah, someone must have to same idea as me
23:43:55*midgey34 is bug hunting
23:44:01z0dei do have 1 other negative observation of rock box:if you set the skip-buffer to a minute you have to wait a minuite before doing any fast forwarding after turnining it on.
23:45:47z0dehmm problems gone away now
23:47:07z0deotherwise rockbox is a great bit of software
23:47:09Soapthat is not what the anti-skip buffer is for
23:47:13PaulPosition1 minute anti-skip?? What do you do, 100-meter hurdles running?
23:47:28z0dei know Soap but its an issue i found
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23:48:14Soapcan you reproduce that observation with a variety of settings in the anti-skip buffer?
23:48:20z0deim trying to now
23:49:58z0delike i said before it seems to have gone away
23:51:08z0dei did 1min to fix a different issue but it didnt work. when playing music if i then do a long scroll thorugh my album list the playback will stop untill i stop scrolling. this is repatable
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23:53:18PaulPositionYeah, at one point it goes to the end of the buffer.. I guess if it kept buffering as much as you keep ffwd'ing it'd eat your batteries in a moment. dunno, I'm not technical enough to really understand.
23:53:40PaulPositionmaybe this is nonsense.
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23:56:09z0dethat was my though to so i hoped by increasing the anti skip buffer i could get around it

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