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#rockbox log for 2006-11-25

00:00:16Bagderthen I don't think lots of people would use it
00:00:41Abidibsi came here a long time ago and there was somekind of risk?
00:00:47Abidibsis there?
00:00:48Bagderbut of course there's slight risk, so keep a backup of your music
00:01:06BagderAbidibs: no ipod ever has been bricked because of Rockbox
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00:01:16xamoxdoes rockbox run on the ipod shuffle?
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00:01:34*amiconn is a bit surprised
00:01:39Abidibsthe music might get messed up
00:01:41moscshi all
00:01:42amiconnWavpack boosts, wth
00:02:01BagderAbidibs: why?
00:02:02Abidibsbut if it does can i just put back the apple firmware
00:02:03amiconnI was thinking it didn't
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00:02:19Abidibsand the music?
00:02:30*Bagder stops talking
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00:03:48jbahey guys I can't seem to find any screenies for color rockbox. can anyone give me some linkage?
00:04:24peturAbidibs: you can keep the music the way it was and use tagcache (see manual) or delete the whole itunes stuff and copy your music from the browser
00:04:44peturjust remember rockbox doesn't do drm
00:04:50moscsi have problem with my ipod shuffle he don't show nothing wen i plug into usb ? i was tried to upgrade firmware with software of ipod but nothinh happen :(
00:05:05Bagdermoscs: contact Apple
00:05:28Bagderthey make the thing you know
00:05:37Bagderthis is not a generic ipod help forum
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00:06:48moscsbut i was heared about rockbox can support firmware of ipod ?
00:06:49AbidibsBagder i don't think i'm explaining right.Let's say that rockbox messes up and i can't turn on my ipod
00:07:03Abidibscan i uninstall rockbox and reinstall apple software?
00:07:08Bagdermoscs: yes, but not on the shuffle
00:07:08peturAbidibs: yes
00:07:26moscsno chance
00:07:31Abidibsthank you guys
00:07:52peturAbidibs: worst case you didn't backup the original os and need to factory restore it (wipes all)
00:07:53rasherColor screenshots:
00:07:58Abidibsand btw i think you should really simplifie rockbox
00:08:24*petur thinks of some more features to add ;)
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00:08:33z0dedefeats the point of having rockbox
00:08:39rasherjba: Other color screenshots:
00:08:51jbawow, that looks so much nicer than the crappy file browser we just managed to get up on the gigabeat port
00:09:19Bagderjba: well, once you get the bitmap loading and wps going, those things come automaticly
00:09:41amiconnHehe, buggy bounce ;)
00:09:54rasheramiconn: Yeah, should be updated to be quite honest
00:10:03moscsany idea about how i do to restore my ipod ?
00:10:18Bagderwe should punish that lame author of bounce
00:10:22Bagderoh wait...
00:10:33amiconnThere are still some odds regarding to backgrounds and backdrops due to kkurbjun's change
00:10:48*amiconn checks who was that
00:11:08peturmosc: rockbox doesn't support shuffle. contact apple or look on the net for some help elsewhere...
00:11:18*amiconn hands Bagder the self-punishing toolset
00:11:24peturmoscs even
00:11:33Bagdercan come handy!
00:11:39*petur remembers to use auto-completion
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00:23:21Soapz0de: I think I know what might be contributing to your skipping,.
00:23:36Soapbesides the fact you are on a ipod 5g with a large screen and all
00:23:51rasherHe's on a x5
00:23:55Soapdo you have dir cache enabled?
00:24:05Soaptake that back, that might not do a dang thing for skipping.
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00:26:26Soapahh, I mixed up z0de and xamox's lines.
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00:29:17z0deso no help for me :(
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00:44:55cool2bdaveHi all, I was hoping I could get some help with my Iaudio X5
00:46:34z0dewhats up?
00:46:36cool2bdaveThe joystick button when pushed to the right seems to produce a kepress for the record, play, select or the right joystick button
00:46:57cool2bdaveI can confirm this when I look at the io ports
00:47:15cool2bdaveI have only had it for a week and it is not getting much better
00:47:49cool2bdaveThe origional firmware produces an invalid keypress very occasionally
00:48:55peturremove rockbox and take it back to the shop?
00:49:29cool2bdaveThe problem is the origional does it so occasionally that they may not believe it is an issue
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00:50:03cool2bdaveRockbox is much more sensitive than the origional
00:51:11cool2bdaveThe shop does refund for a week, maybe I will just ask for a refund and buy a new one elsewhere
00:52:12peturI'd just explain it to them. If they don't trust you you can still ask the refund. Make sure you remove rockbox completely
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00:53:11cool2bdaveThat is true, I will do that. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it
00:55:39amiconngui_scrollbar_draw() has a bug when handling large values that I fixed in the old scrollbar() ages ago
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01:00:14amiconnHmm, the fix was in fact ported, but doesn't work due to porter silliness
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01:02:59amiconnSeems it was my silliness after all, looking at version 1.7 ...
01:05:24markunrasher: the problem with the slow list scrolling is the font caching used for fonts bigger than the font buffer.
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01:14:36Soapmarkun: could you prevent this by removing unused symbols from the font file to make it smaller?
01:15:14amiconnpetur: Mixed results. Vorbis: slight slowdown (29%->30% boost), AC3: slight speedup (23%->22% boost), Wavpack: significant speedup (39%->31% boost)
01:15:34amiconnMusepack and mp3 (320kbps) don't boost at all with both
01:15:46peturso not too bad
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01:17:58z0deis this scroll stuff related to my problem?
01:18:00*amiconn should try gcc 4.1.1
01:19:47telliott_Anyone go out for the sales today?
01:20:01peturwhat sales?
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01:21:14telliott_Sorry, wrong channel. I don't think any Rockbox players were on sale today.
01:21:49peturnope... rockbox is free :)
01:22:46telliott_The only commonly available platform is the iPods and they're never on sale
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01:26:59Soapthough Target was giving $35 gift cards with the purchace of 30gig 5.5Gs
01:27:11Soapas close to a sale as you are going to get.
01:27:29Soapand Sansa's were on deep discount at Best Buy.
01:34:13tychverwhat gcc/uclibc is used to build rockbox on the ipod?
01:34:39tychverwould using a newer version of either be beneficial if I compiled my own?
01:34:50tychverI already have a cross compile environment set up on gentoo
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01:35:55sekondchakrahelp! why is my 1st gen ipod "dead" after installing rockbox??
01:36:48sekondchakrait won't won't boot...god, i hope it's not a paperweight now!!
01:37:03tychverwhat exactly is it doing?
01:37:22sekondchakraexactly? nothing. literally.
01:37:35amiconn(1) You cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox. (2) I wonder what version you did install
01:37:46amiconnThere is no 1st gen version
01:38:04sekondchakrait worked for about 10 minutes today...then i got a low battery indicator (it was fully charged though...)
01:38:14sekondchakranow it's−−as you say−−a brick!
01:38:15amiconn"iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen"'s a "mini" 1st gen
01:38:46tychverno problem, panic is understandable..
01:39:07sekondchakraeven menu/select isn't working....
01:39:25sekondchakrait's plugged in to the charger now...and no charging display either
01:39:45amiconnLet it charge a bit, then try resetting again
01:40:12sekondchakrawhy would rockbox completely discharge it in 10 minutes...??
01:41:30tychverdepends what it was doing at the time, if it tried to build the tag cache then it would go flat pretty sharpish
01:41:51tychverother than that I have no idea
01:41:54sekondchakrai think it WAS doing that....
01:42:01tychverah ok
01:42:05sekondchakrabut, gawd, 10 minutes???
01:42:11tychverbest to use USB power when doing that
01:42:29Soapdon't forget the battery drain while installing, also.
01:42:32sekondchakrai originally did it that way...
01:42:58sekondchakrai was having a HELL of a time trying to get the album/artist/song display to work, too.....
01:43:05sekondchakraonly got that working ONCE...
01:43:19Soaprockbox does not draw as much power over USB as Apple's Firmware does, so in many cases you drain more power than you gain if playing music / building tagcache while plugged into USB.
01:43:46amiconnI doubt that applies to the minis though
01:44:01amiconnThe microdrive consumes much less power than a 1.8" hd
01:44:32sekondchakrawhat's the secret to actually getting MUSIC to play?! LOL! I only seemed to be able to get file and a billion option displays...
01:45:15Soapyah, I always forget that the mini used MDs.
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01:46:13Soapmicrodrives, little CF sized hard drives..
01:46:24sekondchakraok....i just got it to reboot!
01:46:45sekondchakranow, help me make it play somthing! LOL!
01:46:56sekondchakra(it's still plugged in to the charger...)
01:47:34Soapit boots into the File Browser, just like windows explorer you can navigate up and down the file tree and select music to play.
01:47:40sekondchakrai seem to have two choices of screens to start with:
01:47:58sekondchakracalendar / contacts / data files / etc
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01:48:05Soapthe file tree
01:48:16sekondchakraRecent bookmarks / sound settings / etc
01:48:20Soapthe menu
01:48:31sekondchakrahow do i browse / play music??
01:48:35petursekondchakra: if you keep using itunes, you must use tagcache
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01:48:54sekondchakrayeah, i ran that tagcache thingie....
01:49:14sekondchakrahow can i tell if it's been built?
01:49:14Soapfrom the file tree you move deeper into the path with the center button, and back out of a path with the <<| button
01:49:29peturgeneral settings -> file view -> show files -> ID3 database
01:49:34Soapsekondchakra: the manual is excellent on this.
01:50:41sekondchakrathe manual won't hold my hand like this...! ;-)
01:51:02sekondchakraok. i just did the settings > file view > show files > id3 database...
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01:51:13sekondchakranow what?
01:52:18tychvertry playing a file by browsing the tag cache
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01:53:35sekondchakraTHAT's the part i'm struggling with...! how do i get the tag cache to display??
01:54:50sekondchakraah crap! I've got weird al yankovic playing...but I'm not sure what I did!! LOL!
01:56:02peturgood. enjoy the music and now rtfm ;)
01:56:15sekondchakraso, how do you go BACK to the tag cache to browse for another song??!?
01:56:21tychvermenu button
01:56:48tychvermenu swaps between the "menu" and the now playing screen/file browser
01:57:11tychverand the tag cache browser
01:57:29tychverI think to get to the tag cache browser from the now playing screen you press select
01:57:30sekondchakrayeah...but back at the 'menu' i don't see a tag cache option....
01:57:51tychvergo to the now playing screen and press select
01:58:08sekondchakrayes!! I just fingered that out...!
01:58:28*petur is happy with all those buttons on his h340 :p
01:58:37sekondchakrabut it only goes back to the album level....
01:59:01sekondchakraah.... the << button takes me back one add'l level....
01:59:02tychveruh, then you need to use the forward and back buttons to navigate 'levels'
01:59:19sekondchakraok.... thanks for getting me out of that dark, scary, rockbox place!!
01:59:32*Genre9mp3 hides his buttons from iPod users :P
02:00:01sekondchakradoes rockbox have a volume limitation on it like is native to ipods?
02:00:55sekondchakracoooooool.... on my XP box I had to run some kind of ipod volume delimiter to get it loud enough to play in the car....
02:01:08sekondchakra"euPod Pro"
02:02:22sekondchakrais there a way for me to ask the 'pod what kind of battery it has (capacity)?
02:03:11sekondchakrathere's a battery capacity setting...I don't remember what i put in there (it's a replacement batt)
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02:04:44tychverit's under 'general settings'
02:04:47tychveri think anyway
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02:05:01tychverbut it's just to set the capacity
02:05:08Soapfor runtime estimations
02:05:13tychverI usually use the smallest capactiy avaliable
02:05:13Soapwhich are off regardless
02:05:18sekondchakrano−−i found the setting...i don't know what the capacity of that batt is so i can set it properly....
02:05:38sekondchakrais there a way to query it? "Hey, Mr. Battery! What's your capacity?!"?
02:05:39tychverdoesn't rockbox now estimate battery status by the cells voltage?
02:05:55Soapsekondchakra: there is a wiki page on ipod hardware, if it doesn't mention battery capacity I bet the ipodlinux wiki does.
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02:06:58sekondchakrayeah...but it's a replacement battery... (higher capacity than the factory one, i think...)
02:06:59Soapthe lipoly batteries in DAPs are two wire batteries w/o the ability to query.
02:07:22sekondchakramaybe i can find the receipt....
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02:15:32tychvercan you use gcc 4.1.* to build rockbox correctly for an arm platform yet (ipod 5th gen)?
02:17:18sekondchakrahey, does rockbox play ogg files??
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02:18:24tychveryeah, it play a lot of formats/codecs
02:18:33sekondchakraI've been dancin' with The Penguin for a couple of months...(tryin' to wean myself off of Bill Gates teat...)
02:18:46sekondchakraEspecially before Vista arrives....
02:19:06tychverI've been using Gentoo linux since 2004.3
02:19:20sekondchakraif I can rip into oggies, that'll be cool....
02:19:44tychverI keep my music collection on my computer in FLAC and transcode it to LAME variable bit rate MP3s for the ipod
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02:20:21sekondchakracool... how do you transcode it?
02:20:53sekondchakraooops. why did my rockbox just drop out of playing and go to a boot loader screen???
02:22:03tychvernot a clue sorry
02:22:14sekondchakrayikes. that's scary....
02:22:47tychverum I use amarok to manage my music and use it with the transkode script to transcode it when I copy ot my ipo
02:23:20sekondchakranow the little critter won't stay OFF....
02:23:49sekondchakraand it won't do anything but display the bootlader screen....
02:24:05tychverit's looping?
02:24:24sekondchakrais that what you'd call it?
02:24:46sekondchakraI don't know−−I try and turn it off (by holding down the > button, and it just reboots...
02:24:56tychverwell it fails and reboots and then fails and reboots and then fails and reboots?
02:25:14sekondchakranow it's back to the tagcache screen....! reboots as soon as it shuts down...
02:25:45sekondchakrapoor, haunted little thing...!
02:26:03sekondchakrahas it become the undead?!
02:26:18sekondchakrado i have to drive a tiny little stake through it's tiny little heart?? it's playing a song again... (feel free to sing along)....
02:28:04tychverrockbox is always fun, even when it's not working
02:28:11sekondchakraNOW ITS BACK TO THE APPLE MENU!!!
02:28:43tychveryou can boot into the apple firmware by holding down menu as it boots
02:28:52tychverI'm guessing that's what you did
02:28:57sekondchakrathat's good to know...
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02:29:20tychveryeah, essential if you want to play videos on an ipod video
02:29:38sekondchakraany hints on how to get it to shut off while in rockbox mode??
02:29:49sekondchakraam i holding something down too long?
02:30:20tychverwell you should be able to just hold select and menu and it will boot back into rockbox when it restarts
02:30:55sekondchakrayeah, that works fine... but I can't turn it OFF. As soon as I reboots....
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02:31:22tychverso you hold play while in rockbox to turn it off an it reboots?
02:31:29sekondchakra"shutting down".... then I get the apple logo and I'm back to the tagcache display...
02:31:41sekondchakrayes. exactly.
02:32:11sekondchakrawhassup with THAT?
02:33:17tychverto be honest I have no idea
02:33:25tychverthat's never happened to me
02:33:45pixelmais it still on the charger? I think I read something about it but don't have an ipod
02:34:06sekondchakrait IS still on the charger....
02:34:19sekondchakracould there be a system setting I don't know about...?
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02:34:50sekondchakralike "idle poweroff" or something??
02:36:09amiconnsekondchakra: The ipod won't poweroff as long as it is connected to the charger
02:37:00sekondchakrait won't? that's good to know! any idea of why it works that way??
02:37:27amiconnAsk apple...
02:37:46sekondchakralol. ok. i think i have Steve's number here somewhere...
02:37:51amiconnI wonder what kind of charger you have...
02:38:03sekondchakrait's the white cube thingie....
02:38:05amiconnGuess it's firewire
02:38:11amiconn...or uses the same pins
02:38:27sekondchakra'bout 2 inches square...
02:38:42amiconnIf it were connected to the usb power pins, rockbox would think usb is connected and reboot into diskmode's got the firewire female jack on it...
02:39:05sekondchakrait reboots into tag cache tho...
02:39:13amiconnRockbox doesn't detect firewire (yet), so it just ignores that charger
02:39:40amiconnThat's why rockbox tries to shutdown when holding play, but since the hardware can't be shut down with the charger connected, it reboots
02:39:57tychvershouldn't it still charge if he holds down menu when it goes on the charger?
02:40:34amiconnHe doesn't need to hold Menu, since rockbox doesn't mistake this charger for usb
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02:41:22amiconnRockbox doesn't notice this charger at all
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02:41:38amiconn...but of course the charger will charge, as charging is hardware controlled
02:41:40sekondchakraand it WILL charge ok in this (rockbox) mode? anticipated my Q!
02:42:11sekondchakrawill it charge if I'm playing tunes while plugged into charger?
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02:42:38sekondchakraand can i expect more or less play time with rockbox?
02:42:59tychverless, definately less, probably about 20% less
02:43:24tychverwell atleast that's what I get just rebooted inself again....
02:44:38sekondchakrait was just sitting there...i wasn't playing anything or even touching it...
02:44:55amiconnI already explained why that happens...
02:45:01sekondchakrayou did???!
02:45:09amiconnYou still have that charger connected, don't you?
02:45:19sekondchakrahow else can i charge it?!?!
02:45:41amiconnYou say it was just sitting there.... and I explained that rockbox doesn't notice the firewire charger...
02:46:06sekondchakraso it turned itself off... rockbox wanted to shutdown (idle poweroff), which in turn causes a reboot because of the charger
02:46:19sekondchakrayeah...that's what i was gonna say...
02:46:35sekondchakraso I have to unplug it....turn it off...then plug it back in??
02:46:47sekondchakraor turn off idle poweroff?
02:47:11amiconnYes, but then don't forget to shutdwon when you want it to shutdown
02:47:51sekondchakrai almost NEVER forget to turn it off when I'm done i guess i should turn off the idle poweroff...
02:48:26sekondchakrawill rockbox let you know when it's fully charged??
02:52:23sekondchakradoes a battery numeric display of "100" mean that it's at the battery level I set in battery capacity?
02:52:51tychverI shouldn't think so, rockbox has nothing to do with the charger
02:53:13sekondchakrabut rockbox has a battery display... what is that displaying?
02:53:14tychverI think that the battery display for the ipod is actually based on the voltage curve of the battery
02:53:30sekondchakrabut if i select the numeric display....?
02:53:34tychvera fully charged batter will show about 4.2v
02:53:47tychvera fully discharged battery will show 3.7v
02:54:14sekondchakrabut i have a "100" showing!
02:54:30tychverthen your battery is probably at 4.2v
02:55:07sekondchakrait was a "full" battery icon−−and when i changed it to numeric it changed to "100"
02:55:20tychvereither that or the charger has caused the battery estimation to become very confused
02:55:26tychverit means 100% charged
02:56:51sekondchakrai'll have to watch it...
02:57:42tychverit might be easier just to charge it in the apple firmware
02:58:04sekondchakrai was thinking along those lines....
02:58:13tychverI use the apple firmware for file transfers as its a lot faster
02:58:26sekondchakraTHATS good to know, too....
02:58:33sekondchakraso you only use rocky for playback...?
03:01:58sekondchakraok... bonnie rait has been playing for 3 or 4 minutes and my battery number now says "97"
03:04:46sekondchakrais it easy to load new fonts and/or themes into rockbox
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03:05:55tychveryou just download the fonts package
03:06:14tychverand some themes come with the extra fonts needed if they are not in the package
03:06:20tychverpersonally I use the ipodvision theme
03:09:16sekondchakracan i download em from the rockbox site?
03:09:21sekondchakraand how do i install em?
03:09:31tychverjust unzip them in the correct place
03:09:50sekondchakraand "the correct place" is....?
03:10:00sekondchakrais it in the ./rockbox folder??
03:10:56sekondchakraOK. I got it turned off (finally)...
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03:11:48tychverwell the fonts package can usually just be unzipped directly in the ipod root folder in the same way that the rockbox builds can be
03:12:03tychverbut I think that most themes need to be unzipped in the .rockbox folder
03:12:14sekondchakrait won't connect to my computer while in rockbox mode?
03:13:00tychverit will via usb
03:13:04tychverbut not via firewire
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03:20:45sekondchakrahey, is there a consensus on what the best non-apple ipod-like player is....?
03:20:56sekondchakrai'd love to have something that plays ogg's native...
03:22:22tychveriAudio X5
03:22:28tychverI don't really know
03:22:33tychverbut that's what I would like
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03:24:35sekondchakrayou know...i think that's the exact one i spotted on amazon....
03:29:41sekondchakrathanks to everyone who held my hand today... i would NOT have made as much progress as i did...!
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03:35:28tychverno problem
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04:56:42fD`SujCcan someone please help me?
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05:05:40Nimdaei found a bit of a flaw with the pause on headphone unplug and play on replug combined with car mode
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05:39:52GnelikGood morning Dan
05:40:02GnelikAnd all others to!
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05:59:53habanaGnelik: would you please send me your latest fwfor sansa so i could find motivation to retry to compile ?
06:02:30Gnelikhabana: sory but my internet chanel speed is very low
06:02:50Gnelikit will send fw for a half a day
06:04:08habanaGnelik: ok, dont waste your connexion.i continue to try to correct during the week end :)
06:04:45habanalatest one was so promising !!!
06:05:47habanatime for me to go count sheeps, bye
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06:58:23amattasIs there any builds, daily or unsupported that will work on the 2G nano?
06:59:41tychverthe 2G nano has significantly different hardware than the 1G nano
06:59:50tychverit's pretty much porting to a whole new player
07:00:31amattaswas the 5G in the same boat originally, or is this the first time apple really has done this?
07:02:20tychverthe 5G isn't that much different from the 4G essentially, they use the same CPU
07:02:35tychverwith the 2G nano apple has changed pretty much everything
07:03:27squischtychver: they dont...same brand and type, but not same cpu
07:04:20tychvermy apologies :$
07:05:34squischbut, yes...the new nano is more different than any other ipod
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07:07:43amattasso I'm assuming the CPU has completely different system calls, etc?
07:08:34squischwell, it is still ARM
07:08:44squischbut it isnt just the CPU that is the issue
07:09:05squischlets just say that it will be a while before we will see rockbox on that device ;)
07:09:28BHSPitMonkeyrockbox for
07:11:14tychverthat's almost as bad as rockbox on a PS3
07:12:49tychverbtw does ipodlinux support the 2nd core on the ipod 5th generation?
07:13:01squischask them
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07:47:15tychverthey don't seem to mention doing so on their website so I take it they don't
07:47:24BHSPitMonkeywho is Daniel?
07:47:47*BHSPitMonkey guesses Bagder
07:51:54BHSPitMonkeyI saw his site referenced in an argument earlier, in a completely unrelated channel
07:52:08BHSPitMonkeyworlds cross over so often here on IRC
07:53:03squischehat was it about?
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09:52:31*Bagder has his fingers in many projects
09:53:37squischof course!
09:53:53squischtoes too IIRC
09:54:22Bagderzagor got a follow-up letter regarding the Tetris issue
09:54:29squischdo tell
09:54:32Bagderfrom the swedish law firm that wrote him before
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09:55:46Bagdernothing new, just a sign that they haven't yet completely dropped the subject
09:56:30squischbut their subject doesnt even apply, as we changed the name, correct?
09:56:45Bagderyeah, but they claim "copyright" of the actual game play too
09:56:55squischoh wow...
09:56:57Bagderwhich is complete bogus
09:57:31squischwell, in that case, they have enough people to go after to last them a looong time
09:59:00Bagderyes indeed
09:59:17Bagderbut I guess this firm just sucks Tetris LLC for money as much as they can and then they have to do something for it
09:59:31squischsounds like it
09:59:40Bagderso they mail weirdly put mails trying to threat us
10:00:11squischpeople these days...
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10:03:00Bagder do you know what will happen in 2009?
10:04:00Bagdermagic powers!
10:08:04squischwell, at least they acknowledged that we changed the name =)
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10:10:07BagderI honestly believe their idea is a kind of scam
10:10:19Bagderthey threat us and hope we will sign the form
10:10:26Bagderas then it'd be a contract we'd need to follow
10:11:37squischof course
10:12:04squischthat is how those companies work...unless they have the backing like microsoft does to actually go after someone
10:12:26squischamong other things...
10:16:19rasherBagder: Nevermind that you could sign that paper, and someone else could take over hosting
10:16:20BHSPitMonkeyso you know
10:16:24BHSPitMonkeyit was about the history of IRC
10:16:31Bagderrasher: very true
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10:17:18rasherOf course that'd be absolutely stupid, but it just shows how much they don't Get It
10:17:50squischit is absolutely stupid anyway
10:18:22rasherYeah, but that form really doesn't say much.
10:18:41rasherI'd have expected it to basically be a "I ow you one hundred million dollars" contract.
10:19:10rasherIt mostly just says "stop calling it tetrox and stop infringing on our precious copyright!"
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10:35:48n1srasher: Did your Tagcache->Database patch face resistance or why wasn't it committed?
10:37:50rasherI just think noone said "Go!"
10:38:22rasherI'll see if it's still up to date
10:38:35*Bagder says Go too
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10:39:14rasherDo I need to take special care when editing english.lang?
10:39:35BagderI don't think so. Just don't change any IDs
10:39:51rasherI didn't
10:40:03rasherRight, here we go I guess
10:40:20*Bagder embraces and prepares for impact
10:40:27rasherHrm, let me just check the diff once more to make sure I didn't do anything stupid
10:41:47markunBagder: rockbox runs on my gigabeat! Still a lot to be fixed, but really nice already
10:42:05markunNo sound of course
10:42:05n1scongrats even
10:42:12Bagdertime to add sansa and gigabeats dailies soon
10:42:53markunBagder: we have our own cvs server, but after some cleanup we I will port it back to the main tree.
10:42:54rasherNow I'm sure I left some bits out. If you spot any tag cache bits, particularly in the manual, go for the kill.
10:43:11Bagdermarkun: cool
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10:43:48*petur notices the rockblox follow-up happened 2009-09-29 :)
10:44:11Bagderwe are the future, didn't you know?
10:44:26peturnot that much, no? :p
10:44:33*squisch notices that petur didnt see that i already commented on that
10:44:53rasherI intend to commit the blackjack game in later today. Any objections?
10:45:27*petur just woke up
10:45:47rashern1s: I like the idea of the font loading failed splash
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10:45:52peturand being not a coffee drinker, it will take till noon to boot my brain
10:46:19rasherbluebrother: Keep an eye open for tag cache references in the manual, I just renamed it to Database
10:46:22n1srasher: thx, any ideas on making it nicer maybe?
10:48:59rashern1s: Looks fine. Negative numbers are usually used for errors in Rockbox, but other than that
10:49:50amiconnsquisch: New nick, eh?
10:50:21squischamiconn: for the moment...going undercover..shhh or you will expose me!
10:50:50Bagderwe're sending squisch over to the Tetris camp, this is his new name
10:50:59*Bagder grins
10:51:02rasherIs there no link to (front page, that is) from the page showing a specific task, or am I simply blind?
10:52:03rasherOops, forgot to mention in the commit message that people will have to rebuild their database
10:52:33rasher(since I changed the name of the files on disk)
10:52:54*squisch becomes brainwashed by the music
10:53:46squischC&D rockbox....
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11:00:07rasherpixelma: Are you happy with the changes to the Blackjack plugin? I see you discussed it with the author
11:01:28pixelmaI didn't try the latest version so far but looked at the preview he posted... it was definitely nicer
11:03:42rasherNow I'm struggling with finding and changing all references to "tag cache" in the wiki
11:03:46rasherThis'll take some time
11:04:35pixelmawhat about the question he aroused with renaming the soliaire_*.bmp references to card_*.bmp?
11:05:22pixelmarenaming files too of course ;)
11:05:41rasherI'd say that can be done later (SVN!)
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11:05:56rasher(not that it matters much for binary files)
11:06:54pixelmayes... but it could help someone who wants to port another card game using the same deck
11:08:14peturI'm all for renaming them, seems the only sensible thing to do
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11:08:52rasherI'll do that as well
11:09:07leftrightrasher, section 4 of the H12/140 online manual refers to tag cache
11:09:58amiconnDoesn't rename effectively put the old file into the Attic?
11:10:15leftrightchapater 4.2 to be precise
11:10:19amiconnIf so, it wouldn't be wise to do it in cvs, as those binary files are rather large
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11:11:29leftrighterr, from 4.2 until 4.2.4 mentions Tag Cache
11:11:50n1sleftright on the site?
11:11:58rasherleftright: Thanks
11:12:02leftrightyes the online manual
11:12:09rasherThat's not rebuilt
11:12:24rasherOnly once a day
11:13:05rasherNow, what to call the TagCache wikipage..
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11:13:41rasherSounds good
11:14:04rasherI've left a mention of TagCache on the page, to aid searchers
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11:14:59rasherOr maybe just DataBase
11:15:18rasherAh, I'm not allowed to move the page
11:15:33squischnot just database please =)
11:15:56amiconnIt's not only music
11:16:06tucozAh, how nice. Fileview -> Database :)
11:16:11tucozmuch better
11:16:35rasherIt was really silly how you had to enable "tag cache", and then change view to "ID3 Database" :\
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11:17:01leftrightI thought that tag cache only indexed music files, guess i'm wrong
11:17:18tucozrasher: hehe. yeah
11:17:19rasherWell, you can have audiobooks, sound effects
11:17:25Genre9mp3tagcache is now dead... long live datavase...
11:17:44squischAudioDatabase possibly?
11:17:48leftrightyes tag cache -> ID3 database wasn't very intuitive
11:18:23rashersquisch: I like that better than Tag
11:18:27Genre9mp3I liked the name... by this is just me..
11:18:37Genre9mp3by = but
11:18:41rasherBut anyway, I'm not allowed to move the page, so that's irrelevant
11:18:43Genre9mp3(just woke up)
11:18:48leftrightdatabase is good, better than tag cache
11:19:05Genre9mp3I'll get used to it I guess
11:19:14squischAuralDatabase ;)
11:19:29leftright; indeed
11:19:35jhMikeSDatavase was kinda cool :)
11:20:29leftrightOralDatabase, does Aural exist ?
11:20:51squischoral?...different sense there
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11:21:05squischwell, oral isnt even a sense
11:21:11Slasheriamiconn: hmm, just wondering if it would be possible to put VBR in ram even when we execute from flash
11:21:33rasheramiconn: Does this make sense: - the bit about disabling tagcache?
11:21:40amiconnSlasheri: We do that on archos
11:22:04Slasheriamiconn: ah, nice! then that would make things much more simple
11:22:06amiconnOtherwise it wouldn't be possible to "steal" vectors from within plugins
11:22:12Genre9mp3jhMikeS: heh... don't ever let me name things when I wake up :)
11:22:13Slasheriprobably crt0 needs to be modified somehow
11:22:30squischrasher: heh...i just put that together quickly after the patch and was meaning to clarify if it needed to be
11:22:45amiconnI know this is rather hackish, but we need that in wavplay and alpine_cdc
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11:23:20rashersquisch: Tagcache (still the internal name) isn't built on archos is it?
11:23:26squischit is
11:23:31squischi only added the define
11:23:37Slasheriso then there wouldn't be the restriction that rom image needs to be placed excactly at the 1MB boundary
11:23:51squischas commenting that out in the build is not a wanted thing
11:24:11squischs/build/cvs version
11:24:27JdGordonso TC is now still tagcache throughout the code by database in public?
11:24:35rasherJdGordon: Correct
11:25:15rasherI don't think that's a problem, "database" is too ambiguous when talking code, but just right for the UI
11:25:38amiconnSlasheri: Check how handles it. Vectors are part of the datacopy, so crt0.S copies them into RAM
11:25:47Slasheridatabase is nice, tagdatabase sounds like the old tagdb..
11:26:37amiconnAnd tagdatabase would be imprecise, as it does not just store tags
11:26:51Slasheriamiconn: but in iriver crt0 there is move.l #vectors,%d0 movec.l %d0,%vbr
11:27:03Slasheriso that sets the flash address only?
11:27:31squischhaving just database seems too ambiguous to me though
11:28:31rasherI don't see it. What else would it be a database of, if not the sound files?
11:28:59amiconnSlasheri: No, why?
11:29:00Slasherirasher: runtime stats for example
11:29:10Slasheriah, hmm :)
11:29:12leftrightdatabase is just fine for opd users
11:29:21rasherSlasheri: Do users really think about that?
11:29:31rasherMost users, anyway
11:29:45rasherAnd if they do, they'll be smart enough to Get It, I assume
11:29:58squischi think users would be more inclined to just not know what this database thing could be
11:30:10squischrasher: dont overestimate them ;)
11:30:29squischand users like catchy names...
11:30:53rashersquisch: I mean, if a user is smart enough to think about where runtime stats are stored, I would expect them to also be smart enough to guess a bit
11:31:08leftrightArchos 202 uses database
11:31:12squischwhat i am saying has nothing to do with runtime stats
11:31:47amiconngcc 4.1.1 + binutils 2.17 for m68k don't have that build problem on cygwin anymore
11:32:07amiconnProbably also applies to osx and interix
11:32:18squischleftright: just database, or does it have an accompying icon?
11:32:33leftrightit has an icon
11:32:46bluebrothermorning guys
11:33:20bluebrotherhow about allowing the database view to browse the filetree and restrict the filetypes to a couple of defined extensions? it has something else to identify it by as "database" is very ambiguous
11:33:42rashersquisch: I say we give it a wait-see
11:34:00rasherI really don't think it's any kind of problem
11:34:28squischi dont either...i just like to get things done the first time and not have to go through multiple changes if possible
11:34:56*jhMikeS remembers naming discussed at length about a month ago. guess no consensus.
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11:35:15tucozIs it possible to exclude directories when using dircache? I am mainly thinking of the hvsc collection.
11:35:19rasherConsensus is a dream when this many people are discussing something so subjective
11:35:22squischjhMikeS: is there ever one? =P
11:35:24amiconnBah, libssp :(
11:35:40rasherI think the best we can hope for is "no one left the project as a result"
11:35:40tucozLast time i tried, dircache didn't work when i had that dir on the player.
11:36:26squischtucoz: i dont believe so, but we have Slasheri around to confirm
11:36:53Slasherithat feature is not implemented yet..
11:37:07tucozOk,. thanks
11:37:13n1swith hvsc+dircache bootup on my h300 takes about 10 seconds longer :-)
11:37:15Slasheriwith dircache it would be a really problem how to exclude something
11:37:49tucozstill it would be a nice feature. to exclude random junk that i keep on the player for instance.
11:38:00Slasheriwe could just simply exclude some directory completely, but then rockbox would think such a directory would not even exist
11:38:44Slasheriso you could no longer access hvsc inside rockbox, and that might not be a good thing
11:38:59amiconnWhat was the problem with hvsc?
11:39:10tucozi understand.
11:39:10rasherThousands of thousands of files
11:39:11jhMikeScould throw small files with a certain name with directives in each directory that needs special handling
11:39:15Slasherior then it would be necessary for dircache to know what dirs are cached and which are not
11:39:54amiconnWhy would a dir with many files make dircache fail?
11:39:59squischjhMikeS: i am not a fan of "littering" directories with files
11:40:04amiconnThat sounds like a bug
11:40:13rasherWho's the author of the "Itunes db to tagcache" tool?
11:40:37Slasheridircache should not "fail" but it might hit the hard coded memory limit
11:40:55Slasheriso after that dircache is automatically disabled
11:41:09squischrasher: hcs i think...not sure
11:41:21jhMikeSsquisch: wouldn't be my first choice either unless it's really needed or offers some substantial benefit.
11:42:28squischrasher: looks like him from
11:42:30rashersquisch: You're right
11:42:50rasherThe page was edited by AdamGashlin, which the nick reference confirms is hcs
11:43:14rasherWho's the twiki admin?
11:43:50rasherLet's see if one of them shows up
11:44:14squischi think Bagder is least he was a little bit ago
11:44:35tucozhmm. i think this guy got something wrong.
11:44:39rasherI think most of what's needed now to complete the move is to move the TagCache page to some other name
11:44:57squischtucoz: hehe
11:44:58tucozi wonder where it says that fwpatcher.exe is a zip file.
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11:47:14peturmaybe he thought it was an sfx
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11:48:17tyrionmorning people
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11:51:42tychverit's only morning in some places
11:52:17JdGordonyup.. those places are all living in the past!
11:52:17scorchenews to me...
11:53:08peturis it frowned upon to reuse LANG strings (like LANG_RECORDING_SIZE) in other places because the string is what you need? It's ugly but saves on LANG and VOICE size...
11:53:39rasherI don't see why. As long as you're pretty sure that the string won't change to something that no longer makes sense
11:53:49rasherBut I'm not authority on the subject
11:55:27*petur discovers identical strings: LANG_SHOW_PATH_FULL and LANG_DISPLAY_FULL_PATH
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11:56:14jhMikeSWhy shouldn't lang files excluded a string if there's no matching target in the "<target>:" bit? I know the ids (indexed) have to always be the same but it could just use a zero-length string (""). I noticed it complains if there's no target match.
11:59:05peturLANG ids should be more genericly named when they contain generic strings...
12:00:33jhMikeSpetur: There's duplication of the string "Normal" too.
12:02:38jhMikeSit was my doing for the backlight on hold option :\
12:03:38*petur is adding a file/dir properties screen to the browser context menu
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12:05:03*XavierGr dances the new-feature-from-petur dance :P
12:05:08tucozpetur: nice.
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12:05:20n1spetur, I think there's a plugin in the tracker for that
12:05:24TnadeNi need some help
12:05:25peturI know
12:05:33markunTnadeN: what's the problem
12:06:02TnadeNhow do i forefully restrat my ipod mini (with rockbox)
12:06:10JdGordonamiconn: if you get a chance in the next fw days,. could you please check out the rtc settings code in the menu/settins patch? I rekon thats the last thing holding it back from commit
12:06:13scorchesame way you do with apple os
12:06:18peturn1s: I didn't like the way it was implemented, and I didn't want it in a plugin. Mine will do recursive dir info :)
12:06:24JdGordon... or anyone with a rtc_ram -able target
12:06:31TnadeN thx
12:06:44TnadeNit has forzen a lot lately
12:06:51TnadeN like 2 times a week :S
12:06:54tyrioni have a maye who just Got (this week) a H320 and get me one too. His last MP3 player was a Rio Karma and he is very interested in implementing a similar filebrowsing UI. Does anyone know if anything has been done in this respect?
12:06:56peturwinter is coming :)
12:06:56scorcheis it a 1st gen?
12:07:07TnadeN2:d i think
12:07:14amiconnJdGordon: The ata idle notify code has problems....
12:07:20JdGordonit does?
12:07:20TnadeNhas the harddisk size on the back
12:07:24XavierGrpetur: just wondering, is there any progress with USB OTG?
12:07:28JdGordontyrion: thats the stabdard rockbox interface
12:07:30amiconnYes, at least on archos
12:07:44JdGordonwhat sort of problems?
12:07:45amiconnFor some reason it might fall into a loop
12:07:56tyrionJdGordon: no, no, that is using ID3 tags
12:08:03amiconn...calling the callback every few seconds and never spinning down the disk
12:08:03n1spetur: I think it was put in a plugin to save on code space, but if you make it really small.... :-)
12:08:04JdGordontyrion: wanna bet?
12:08:16*scorche notices the time and goes to sleep
12:08:30amiconnI have an idea how to fix that, but don't know yet whether it might work
12:08:37JdGordonamiconn: hmm... odd.. sholdnt that behaviour be on all or none of he targets?
12:08:41tyrionJdGordon: well no. :) but is it not either the file browser or the Tag Cache option?
12:08:56*JdGordon may have been confused by you emsages
12:09:26amiconnJdGordon: It's a bit strange. I only observed it once on my recorder, however, pixelma observes it regularly on her Ondio
12:09:44peturXavierGr: not much. I got stuck with being unable to detect device connection (driver says 'waiting for v_rise'), maybe there's something about how the chargepump is connected that we don't know. Also the ID sensing is not standard so maybe we don't know everything there too. Could use a confirmation from PCB traces of VBUS and ID on the mini-usb connector
12:09:46JdGordondoes odio use ata.c?
12:10:29amiconnI think it happens when the thread that registered a callback re-registers before the re-triggered (due to the callbacks causing ata activity) timeout expires
12:10:31XavierGrpetur: ok, thanks
12:10:36amiconnJdGordon: No, ata_mmc.c
12:10:52amiconnI have an Ondio myself, and didn't observe such behaviour...
12:10:53peturXavierGr: and apart from that, the code is a mess :)
12:11:00JdGordonfirstly, ondio doesnt have the hdd, so whats i not spining down?
12:11:20jhMikeSamiconn: am I asking something about lang v2 that I really should know better about by now or does noone know what the heck I'm saying?
12:11:22JdGordonIf thats the reason, we can lock the register funciotn when its runnig the callbacks
12:11:53amiconnJdGordon: Of course there is no disk spinning, but the callbacks are called every few seconds
12:12:22TnadeNoh, yeah i have another question. Can you set a new default configuration ( so that i dont have to swich to mine everythime i reboot/connect it to a computer?
12:12:37amiconn...but they should only be called when there is other (non-callback) disk activity to (1) resemble other target's behaviour, (2) reduce flash wear and (3) save battery power
12:13:17amiconnJdGordon: That won't help, and the callers might fall out of callback registration altogether
12:13:37JdGordonTIME_BEFORE(ab) means a < b ?
12:13:51amiconnI have an idea how this could be fixed, but I'm not sure whether it will work
12:14:09JdGordonthe default case in mmc_thread looks odd and could be the problem
12:14:33JdGordon.. or maybe not...
12:15:49amiconnI don't think so
12:16:17amiconnBut my idea might in fact work well: we need to ensure that the callbacks are only ever called once in a disk activity period
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12:16:50amiconnIn order to be called again, the disk must have been spun down before
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12:17:45XavierGrMaybe what I am saying is completely wrong, but that reminds me how batterybench works
12:17:50JdGordonso only call the callbcks before sleeping? not dgin idle time?
12:18:11amiconnThis would also avoid the multiple-rebuffer-retrigger loop that might happen with the rebuffer-due-to-callback extension we could even enable it for archos
12:18:46amiconn..if wanted
12:19:34amiconnJdGordon: Not before sleeping, but after being idle for a few seconds (2..3), and then set a flag that the callbacks have been called
12:19:44amiconnThe flag would be reset after spindown
12:20:03amiconnAs long as the flag is set, the callbacks wouldn't be called at all
12:20:18JdGordonso each spin the callbcks are caled maximum twice?
12:20:25amiconnNo, once
12:20:43JdGordontwice.. once during idle, and then before shuttind down.. no?
12:20:53amiconnNo, why?
12:21:04*jhMikeS is just wondering the proper way to go about eliminating entirely unneeded strings for certain targets
12:21:22JdGordonso your unsetting the flag aftr shutting down?
12:21:32JdGordonjhMikeS: I think you use deprecated
12:22:28jhMikeSJdGordon: That works for eliminating string for say, archos that are only relevant to targets with SWCODEC and HAVE_RECORDING for instance?
12:22:44Slasheriamiconn: hmm, there must be something wrong with my because now i can't get the rom image to boot :) I have placed it at 0x100028 in flash, and reset vector starting at 0x100032
12:22:49amiconnYOu need to set the string to empty
12:22:53JdGordonamiconn: i guess that would work, im not sure if it gives enough chance for callbacks to work properly... i dunno
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12:23:59JdGordonamiconn: and if someone has hard disk idle spindown off then the callbacks would onl ever be called once
12:24:00jhMikeSamiconn: not sure why it can't generate an empty string if no target matches then. would save some work.
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12:25:15amiconnJdGordon: This option doesn't exist
12:25:20JdGordondoesnt it?
12:25:25*JdGordon thought it did
12:25:43JdGordonalrighty then
12:25:45amiconnYou can set spindown timeout from 3 to 254 seconds
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12:29:57amiconnI probably have a slightly better idea now
12:30:09JdGordonback in 15
12:33:36n1show would I strip trailing whitespace in a file using vim?
12:34:00rasher:%s/ *$// perhaps?
12:34:52rasher:%s/ +$//, rather
12:36:52jhMikeStoo bad there's no feature oriented way to include strings like code is selected...hrm
12:37:12amiconnThere is a patch for that made by Bagder
12:37:16amiconnIt needs testing
12:37:55dan_arasher: I think :%s/^(.*[^ ]) $/\1/ should do it
12:38:35jhMikeSreally? it's up in flyspray? I can test it out since it's about time for it.
12:38:41dan_aSorry, :%s/^(.*[^ ]) *$/\1/
12:39:19rasherdan_a: Are you sure? That looks a bit off to me. Won't that change "foo bar " to "foo"?
12:39:25amiconnjhMikeS: No, somewhere on Bagder's site
12:39:34amiconnI'll try to find the link...
12:39:39rasherdan_a: and not match " foo" at all?
12:40:12rasherBagder: Do you have time to move a wikipage? (I don't seem to have the necessary permissions)
12:40:29Bagderthat patch needs a features.txt file with the features
12:40:40Bagderrasher: sure, tagcache?
12:41:09rasherBagder: YEah, but now I'm unsure what to. There's been AudioDatabase TagDatabase DataBase RockboxDatabase
12:42:18Slasherii would suggest Database
12:42:31rasherThat's not a WikiWord though
12:42:38Slasheriah, hmm
12:42:38rasherwon't autolink
12:43:31rasherOf course, we could still use it and just force people to use [[Database][Database]]
12:43:32dan_arasher: I don't think so, the ".*" will include spaces (and be greedy, matching as much as it can), the [^ ] makes sure that the last character in the match isn't a space, and then outside the placemarker it matches any number of spaces
12:44:15rasherdan_a: Ah right.. won't my suggestion work though? It seems rather a lot simpler
12:44:15BagderI think I'd rather see it called DataBase than Database just to get it wikified
12:44:52rasherDataBase is my favourite
12:45:06dan_arasher: I don't see why it shouldn't but I guessed you'd tried it and it hadn't worked
12:45:46rasherAh, no. I was just guessing, n1s said it didn't work
12:45:57n1sand it didn't
12:46:04rasherI don't understand why it wouldn't, unless the whitespace isn't a space
12:46:09n1sbut maybe I did something wrong
12:46:47rasherAh, I think you need to escape the +
12:46:55rasher:%s/ \+$//
12:46:57dan_aSo you could make it :%s/[ \t]*$//
12:47:39rasherThat one I just said worked, just tested
12:48:33n1syes it did thanks rasher
12:49:13dan_aBagder: Have you any thoughts on MrH's suggestion of rewriting the bootloader portion of crt0-pp?
12:49:43Bagdercan't say I do, I haven't paid enough attention on those details
12:49:50*petur wonders if LANG_SYSFONT strings can be used in normal screens
12:50:22*Bagder renamed TagCache to DataBase
12:50:32*Bagder runs off again
12:51:00n1spetur, that would be bad for translations
12:51:53amiconnm68k binutils 2.17 don't like rockbox :(
12:52:12amiconnAssembler messages:
12:52:12amiconnError: already selected `5206e' processor
12:52:12amiconnError: unrecognized option -m5249
12:53:35n1sI think they changed the parameter format or something
12:54:23amiconnTwo things changed
12:54:48amiconn(1) m68k-elf-as wants the cpu type in the form -mcpu=5249
12:55:10amiconn(2) gcc already passes a cpu type to as, and the two conflict
12:58:31*JdGordon back
12:58:35jhMikeShmmm...only around 750 strings including voiced only :P np
12:59:47amiconnWow... it seems m68k-elf-gcc supports coldfire emac :)
13:00:13rasheramiconn: Are you cool with - the filename checking patch I made?
13:00:24Slasheriamiconn: hmm, now it says immediately I03:AddrErr.. not sure if rombox or bootloader says that
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13:01:17jhMikeSamiconn: that means it uses emac instuctions when it can when compiling normal c code I take it?
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13:01:48amiconn-m[no-]mac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension
13:01:48amiconn-m[no-]emac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension
13:01:59amiconnThis is from m68k-elf-gcc −−target-help
13:03:05amiconnHmm, looks like this is what m68k-elf-as tells...
13:04:20amiconnBah, "warning: pointer targets in passing argument X of 'foobar' differ in signedness"
13:04:24amiconnTons of those
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13:06:09JdGordonamiconn: you had a simpler idea than the lock?
13:06:11jhMikeSit's pedantic by default now? :) not suprised cause I see int/size_t mixed in pointer passing
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13:06:44jhMikeSmaybe that's not it...dunno
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13:08:57JdGordonamiconn: i dont know how you wantle handle the unlocking in ata_mmc? ata.c is easy
13:12:59JdGordonamiconn: something like ?
13:13:01jhMikeSthere's mixing of unsigned char * and char * for string arguments. just sitting here guessing at where the most trouble would be.
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13:14:43amiconnJdGordon: No, no plain lock anymore
13:15:03JdGordonyou want a more coplicated lock?
13:15:07amiconnA lock might indeed be a problem when there is activity that causes the disk to never spin down
13:15:46JdGordonalso stuff like shutdown and usb wont trigger the callbacks if the lock is on
13:15:49amiconnI think a holdoff time (that must be longer than the idle time before triggering the callbacks) will be better
13:16:10amiconnOf course the holdoff time wouldn't apply before usb or shutdown
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13:16:38amiconnThe holdoff time would automagically ensure callbacks aren't called too often
13:16:46amiconnI think 30 seconds would be a good value
13:17:28amiconns/too often/too frequent/
13:17:31JdGordonthats certainly simpler
13:17:57JdGordonit will need a way to be forced tho till, but ok
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13:18:06habanahi all
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13:18:34amiconncall_ata_idle_notifys() already has a parameter
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13:21:30habanai finally managed to install devkit (thanks to Badger's script) and make a full with latest cvs
13:22:30habanabut once uploaded on / sansa dir and rebooted, it does nothing and just boots normally on official firmware.
13:22:48habanaany idea ?
13:22:55dan_ahabana: Did you unzip
13:23:06JdGordonamiconn: same url..
13:23:08amiconnm68k-elf-gcc 4.1.1 is braindead :(
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13:24:08habanadan_a: yes and used ./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin before make as you told me
13:24:12JdGordonexcpt that shhuold be + 30*HZ not *30*HZ
13:25:29habanaLao Tseu said "Il faut trouver la voie" (you have to find the way)
13:26:22dan_ahabana: The mi4code line is for the original firmware, if you are running with the dual boot patch. I've still got some nasty hacks in that which I need to fix before I commit it.
13:27:21habanadan_a: ok so first mistake from me
13:27:45dan_aIf you put PP5022.mi4 in the root of your Sansa, then the original firmware should detect it, and reboot (to OF) then tell you it is upgrading the firmware
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13:28:24habanadan_a : it does
13:28:48dan_aAnd then it will reboot to Rockbox
13:29:24habanadn_a : it desn't but i didnt apply patches onthe cvs version
13:29:43habanaat least, i learn from mistakes :)=
13:30:22amiconnJdGordon: Something like that, yes, but I wouldn't use 2 parameters
13:30:30dan_aIt says upgrading firmware, and then runs the original firmware? Are you sure you're copying the Rockbox firmware and not the Sandisk one across?
13:30:39amiconnThere could be one enum parameter
13:31:16JdGordondoes it really make much difference?
13:31:32habanaso for the "pure cvs" version, i just have to 'cd rockbox-devel && mkdir build_SANSA && cd build_SANSA && ../tools/configure && make' ?
13:32:18JdGordonwouldnt an extra var be better than doing bitwise and's in that funtion?
13:32:21dan_ahabana: Yes, then make fullzip, and then extract into the root of your Sansa
13:32:32JdGordonassuming the 2 params are merged with a flags variable
13:33:24JdGordonamiconn: im headig out now, can I leave it wth you to commit how youd prefer it?
13:33:30JdGordonor ill do it tormowow
13:33:33amiconnWhy bitwise?
13:33:43amiconnI think there are 3 situations
13:34:00amiconnNormal without spindown, normal with spindown, or forecd
13:34:41JdGordonok, I guess so
13:34:56JdGordonanyway, yeah, im off.. if nothing is cmmited by tomoow ill do it
13:35:06JdGordontomorow 15hous away, not 25min
13:35:25amiconnHehe, 10:25 to go here
13:35:52amiconn(to midnight)
13:36:10JdGordonill be home in like 4 hhuos or so.. but certainly not i a mood to do any coding :p
13:36:35SequellMy 4g greyscale ipod crashes constantly when using rockbox... at least every 4 minutes
13:36:45Sequellanyone else had this problem?
13:39:08pixelmaSequell: have you tried to use the build that was suggested to you yesterday (and read the thread)?
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13:40:36pixelma(hope I didn't confuse you with someone else)
13:43:14SequellI wasn't quite sure if the problem being discussed there was the one I was having (CPU scaling)
13:44:24pixelmaif you try you could at least confirm whether it is the same or not
13:45:18Sequelli'll try it, then. i just copy+paste the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file over my old one, right?
13:45:26pixelmaand IIRC those people were reporting the same symptoms as you
13:45:27Sequellsorry to ask such a noobly question, i'm just very careful with $400 machines
13:45:57rasherCorrect. And by the way, there's no way you can break your Ipod, messing with Rockbox
13:46:21rasherThe absolute worst that can happen is that you lose all data on the Ipod.
13:46:38habanadan_a : err ... im way too dumb. i used the official Sandisk one. merci, i'll test soon
13:47:08dan_ahabana: hehehe - it happens to us all some days!
13:47:25rasherSequell: Usual disclaimers apply, but there has not been a single case of broken Ipods due to Rockbox yet, and it's technically pretty much impossible.
13:49:51jhMikeSrasher: I recall _claims_ of such though :)
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13:51:35rasherjhMikeS: Yeah, people are quick to cry wolf
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13:52:06webguest76hey can someone tell me where i can downlaod dualboot.bin because i can't find it anywhere :\
13:52:32habanadan_a : wich option for the configure ? normal devel build ?
13:52:51dan_ahabana: Just a normal build
13:54:07webguest76anyone? :(
13:56:57rasherwebguest76: What is dualboot.bin?
13:57:48webguest76as far as i know it let's you choose what operating system to load on your ipod
13:58:28dan_awebguest76: Are you thinking of Loader2, from the iPodLinux project?
13:58:43*jhMikeS wonders where playback goofs on non-44100HZ AIFFs
13:58:47webguest76don't know actually :)
13:59:00webguest76i just want my ipod to let me choose to laod rockbox or apple os
13:59:10webguest76right now it automatically loads rockbox
13:59:20rasherwebguest76: Do you mean as in a graphical menu? Because Rockbox bootloader let's you chose by holding down a button to boot the Apple firmware
13:59:39webguest76wich button? O.o
13:59:49webguest76i tryed menu but that didn't work
14:00:21webguest76o wait hold on :)
14:00:34webguest76it works if i hold play
14:01:22rasherThe manual explains how the bootloader works
14:03:01rasherOr at least, it should
14:03:08Soapit does
14:03:17rasherWhere, I can't find it?
14:03:46Soapnow I need to open it? ;)
14:03:47Soapone sec
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14:04:14habanadan_a : i just obtain a message saying that "zip name not matched - zip error ,nothing to do" and there's just a .rockbox dir in
14:06:45dan_ahabana: Have you done 'make' before doing 'make zip'?
14:07:16habanaand 'make clean' before configure
14:07:26Bagderthen do 'make V=1 zip'
14:07:35Bagderto learn more details
14:07:56Bagdermight reveal some further clues
14:07:59Soapor it doesn't
14:08:08SoapI did swear it did, and was wrong.
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14:08:32*Soap doesn't know how he learned to hold menu during boot.
14:08:49webguest76i got the dualboot loader :)
14:08:52webguest76thx everyone :)
14:08:53webguest76bye now
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14:10:16rasherSoap: It ought to be in chapter 3.1.2 I think
14:10:19lamedhello guys
14:11:02lamedquestion for hebrew translation: AGC clip time: controls what? how much time it takes until the AGC decides that there has been a clip?
14:11:57Soaprasher: I really want to know how I learned to do that. I first downloaded rockbox when prepping for a business trip, never read the forums, and had nothing but the daily build, the manual (not even the fonts) for a month while in UAE w/o internet.
14:12:14rasherSoap: The wiki perhaps?
14:12:28Soapmaybe, almost has to be doesn't it.
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14:13:22lamedagc help?
14:15:25Soapbut 3.1.2 could be redone to add that. from "Turning the Player on and off" to "Booting and shutting down your modified player"
14:16:37lamedno player here to test: log - only one station or is it creating a long log?
14:17:15Soapbecause I think the word "boot" should be in the header, as that is the word used by most questioners. Not "how do I turn my player on into original firmware"
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14:17:57lamedplural or single? (last fm log) please, help, i really want to get this over with!
14:17:58Soaplamed: "only one station"? I don't grok. But it does create a long log of everything played since the log's creation.
14:18:08Soapsingle log.
14:21:30lamedtt, good answer
14:22:07lameddo you know what agc clip time does? was I right?
14:22:32rasherI'll assume so
14:24:31lamedhmmm. goddamn hard to translate all that mess.
14:28:05lamedwhat's making lang files? make or make install? the latter I'm guessing.
14:32:33habanazip V=2 zip gives : find .rockbox | xargs zip >/dev/null
14:32:34habanazip PP5022.mi4
14:32:39habanazip warning: name not matched: PP5022.mi4
14:32:50habanazip error: Nothing to do! (
14:33:10Bagderso there's no PP5022.mi4 to add
14:33:17Bagderwhich implies a failed build
14:34:09dan_aI think the normal build still uses mi4code, so needs that to be in the path... I'll change it to use scramble until I get dual boot a little nicer
14:36:07habanaso i do have something else to try ?
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14:36:29Bagderhabana: yes, put the mi4code tool in your path
14:36:51dan_ahabana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes, then do "cvs update" then try again from ../tools/configure
14:36:55rashermi4code is MrH code isn't it?
14:37:01Bagderrasher: yes
14:37:17rasherIsn't this a problem?
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14:38:04Bagdernow we don't use it
14:38:37rasherAh, okay
14:39:26*dan_a would like an .mi4 viewer in Rockbox
14:39:58Bagderthat would be rolo then, wouldn't it?
14:40:35dan_aBut it means getting some mi4 decrypting routines in there...
14:41:03habanai often read "rolo" but dunno what it means ?
14:41:34Bagderrolo simply means loading and starting a(nother) firmware from within Rockbox itself
14:44:12habana<dan_a> habana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes =>let's go shopping
14:44:31Bagderjust cvs update now, he already fixed it
14:44:33dan_aWould there be an obvious reason why checksums on the files I create with scramble -add=e200 (where e200 has a model number of 16) are always out by 4?
14:46:43Genre9mp3rasher: Sorry if you were waiting for a serious post... :/
14:46:50Bagderdan_a: not that I can think of
14:47:16Bagderchecksum off by 4 sounds very weird, since even the slightest little change should make it go off more than just 4
14:47:25rasherGenre9mp3: Hah :D
14:48:15*Bagder vanishes...
14:49:16habanathanks for all, no error message at "make zip"
14:49:35habanai'll test soon :)
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15:04:06lamedis the h10 a dual boot? if it is, how do you boot the original fw?
15:04:51rasherI don't believe it is
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15:06:50Arathislamed: if I got it right dan_a worked on that the last days, but I'm not sure whether he got it working
15:08:00dan_aI've been working on it for the Sansa, which is similar to the H10. I did get it working on the Sansa, and barrywardell said he would take a look at what I'd found and see if it worked on the H10
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15:08:46Arathisoh, okay. that happens when you just peak on the chat ^^
15:09:46HSboxI'm sorry to ask a non-Rockbox related question, but I just couldn't find any other IRC chan populated by people with knowledge of iPods. Does anyone know of an app I can use to extract the MP4 videos from my dad's iPod Video (5g)? YamiPod can do the MP3s, but I'm not sure about MP4s.
15:10:29daurnimatorwindows or *nix?
15:10:52HSboxWindows XP (should have mentioned that)
15:12:33daurnimatorcan't you just google?
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15:13:43lamedhsbox: try ephpod.
15:14:15lamedarathis, dan_a, thanks. (answering questions on forums... don't own one)
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15:15:38SoapHSbox: anapod
15:16:53Soapit is commercial, but A-it kicks iTunes to the curb. B-In "trial" mode you can move one file at a time.
15:17:55daurnimatorcan someone advise on media players for windows?
15:17:59daurnimatoror linux
15:18:08daurnimatori want somthing with good wavpack support
15:18:11bluebrotherfoobar2000 is quite nice
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15:18:17daurnimatortag management
15:18:18HSboxyes, it is
15:18:27daurnimatorbluebrother: don't like it at all
15:18:34daurnimatorbut, i'm using it now
15:18:41HSboxonly thing it's missing is find-as-you-type like winamp has
15:19:02daurnimatorcause.. its the only thing i can find that uses wavpack tags properly
15:19:13daurnimator - but, the interface is terrible IMO
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15:23:19NeekeetosHi ppl!
15:24:26Neekeetoshow r the things?
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15:31:35bluebrotherthe interface is a bit of it's own. After I got used to it I like it more than winamp.
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15:33:52amiconnlamed: The whole sysfont string thing is the wrong approach imho
15:35:55peturWRS anyone?
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15:41:07lamedamiconn: I know, but I remind you it's just until we'll have something better. wouldn't you agree if you were not a good iso-8859-1 speaker?
15:41:17peturwhile recording screen?
15:41:23jhMikeSyes, but petur!
15:42:46jhMikeSlong as it's light on CPU
15:43:59peturcan one use get_action with timeout 0 to just sense if a key was pressed (while doing things)?
15:45:34jhMikeSthat whole thing needs labeling for audio formats so the indexes aren't relevant. should use the id label to pair bitmaps with formats. id like to be able to keep them sorted into sensible order and not worry about that.
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15:50:50jhMikeSpetur: it looks to be ok
15:51:10peturgonna try then
15:51:16jhMikeSuse TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK
15:51:31peturah.. 10x
15:59:37peturyup, seems to work very well
16:01:02SequellAfter putting a new rockbox build on my iPod, it worked for 20 mins, then I switched it off. I switched it on later, and it brought upthe dead battery sign (even though it was at 50% only an hour earlier). I plugged it into a charger and nothing happens; it won't turn on, and the charging symbol doesn't appear. When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all, it just stays dead. Is there anything I can do?
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16:35:53lamedsed -e 's/hello/goodbye/g' -i *
16:36:19lamedshouldn't that change every 'hello' word in that folder to goodbye?
16:37:57ender`it should, as long as your sed supports -i
16:38:20lamedyeah, never mind it works, it just had problems with the cvs folder for some reason
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16:40:44SequellDoes anyone have a response for my question?
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16:42:04*Sequell fears he has permanently damaged his rather expensive machine
16:42:15z0deSequell: can you get in the the ipod via usb?
16:42:36Gnelikhi Dan
16:43:05z0deSequell: When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all
16:43:07z0deoh :(
16:44:00z0deSequell: how old is the ipod?
16:44:12z0dewhat version etc
16:44:12Sequell12-16 months, tops.
16:44:17Sequell4G greyscale.
16:45:47z0dehmm my first idea is hardware failer but its odd that it would happen just as you put rockbox on, i suggest posting in the forums as your more likly to get a proper responce
16:47:49z0deive never heard of a case of rockbox killing any planyer
16:48:30dan_aHi Gnelik
16:48:46z0demake sure you include as much info as possible on your ipod/an options you changed/what build you put on/any mods/anything you can think off
16:48:53n1sSequell: leave it connected to the charger for a while then try to force reboot with menu+select
16:49:42SequellWill do (to both of those suggestions)
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16:51:20Soapor better yet, search the forums. There is a thread on this very subject once a week.
16:52:55Gnelikdan_a: Uptade debug_menu.c line 1082 to #elif CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 || CONFIG_CPU == PP5024
16:52:57Gnelikin cvs
16:53:06Gnelikto allow GPIO's debuging
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16:57:12dan_aGnelik: Done
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16:57:55GnelikHZ is proc frenq
16:57:59Gnelikor no??
16:58:37dan_aSort of. HZ is the number of clock ticks per second
16:58:43n1sticks per sec
17:00:59Gnelikthan it seem than sansa has more than 100 ticks per second
17:04:58GnelikBut runtime works fine
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17:27:01SequellDoes Rockbox access the hard disk more than the standard firmware? I've noticed the hard disk spinning for longer and more often when using Rockbox... maybe it's just me
17:28:58SequellAlso: is it possible for Rockbox to alter the audio quality in any way, or is that hardware-based?
17:31:22peturyuck. adding file and (recursive) dir properties adds 2036 bytes to my h340 binary :/
17:31:56SoapSequell: rockbox only (?) accesses the HD more than stock firmware on the 60 gig iPods, as it uses only 32 of their 64MB buffers.
17:32:16SoapSequell: and most all the audio shaping is done in software.
17:32:32Soapwith very few exceptions.
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17:32:51SoapSequell: turn on Directory Cache on your ipod.
17:33:07Soapassuming you aren't using TagCache/database.
17:40:08Sequellah, thanks
17:40:24Sequellso the music will sound slightly different depending on which firmware i use to play it?
17:40:58peturcan... but probably inaudible
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17:44:58SoapI was under the impression RMAA testing had shown no significant differences.
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17:46:41SequellRMAA, you say?
17:47:06PRGUYhey there
17:47:24Gnelikdan_a: any progress, or you aren't working on sansa
17:47:46PRGUYI just installed rockbox on my iPod 4g grayscale, but I am not getting the file view menu. Everything else works and if I make a playlist of all songs I can listen to them, but I cannot browse song by song, or artist by artist. What is wrong?
17:48:25SoapPRGUY: where is your music? Rockbox boots into the file view screen.
17:48:46PRGUYok, whaat I get on boot is calendars, notes, rocbox
17:48:56Soaplet us not call it the "file view menu" as there is the File Tree, and the Menu, and never the twain shall meet.
17:49:10SoapPRGUY: sounds like the root directory of an ipod.
17:49:28Soapthat is your file tree view then.
17:49:29PRGUYso, what do I do to get a traditional file tree menu where I can select songs by artist, albums etc?
17:49:42dan_aGnelik: I'm not working on rockbox at the moment. Everyone needs some time off sometimes!
17:49:43Soapthat wouldn't be a traditional file tree would it?
17:49:47PRGUYoh so the rockbox is not like the ipod firmware in that way?
17:49:51Soapa file tree is just like windows explorer.
17:50:00Gnelikdan_a: True
17:50:06PRGUYwhere I can browse my music by artist?
17:50:25Soapyou need to enable TagCache/Database (just changed names)
17:50:43PRGUYok, and that will give me what?
17:50:49Soapthe manual refers to it as TagCache still, but besides that the manual is an excellent tool for setting that up.
17:51:25Soapthe Database method of navigation is much more like the Apple OS method of navigation, browsing based on tags, not based on filenames, which would be the file tree view.
17:51:51Soapthere is even a nice tool in the wiki to convert your itunes database to tagcache's database.
17:52:02rasherBut more powerful, and it doesn't require anything on the PC side
17:52:03*Sequell loves being able to copy+paste album folders onto the ipod without passing them through itunes :)
17:52:15PRGUYok I just clicked on Initialize Now on TagCache
17:52:59PRGUYis that it?
17:53:09PRGUY(I can hear the hard drive spinning...)
17:53:16rasherIt's building the database now
17:53:35habanaThanks to dan_a and Badger, i finally booted on rockbox !
17:53:50rasherWhen it's done (hard drive stops spinning), you reboot and change General settings > File view > Show files to ID3 Database
17:54:45Gnelikhabana:my congrats
17:54:52PRGUYwow thanks
17:55:07Sequellhmm... when rockbox changes to Karaoke mode (from the Sound Settings->Channels) menu, what's actually happening to the sound? I don't know how to describe it at all
17:55:07PRGUYand hey about the gapless playback i havent found the option yet
17:55:29n1sit isn't an option
17:56:00PRGUYok so its On by default?
17:56:39peturyou can't switch gapless on or off. not having gapless is a major bug imho
17:57:00SoapPRGUY: it isn't an option, it is the behavior of a proper decoder.
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17:57:22Gnelikdan_a: I have an idea to make graphick bootloader
17:57:47GnelikTo change the FW by chozing it in the list
17:58:00GnelikAnd with timeout
17:58:03Soaplike the ipodlinux bootloader does Gnelik ?
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17:58:27GnelikI didn't know this
17:58:28rasherSequell: I believe it subtracts the difference of the stereo channels from each channel.. or.. something like that
17:58:56GnelikIf it do this then yes
17:59:15Soapyou can use the IPL bootloader with rockbox
17:59:25GnelikNo no
17:59:29Gnelikits not for me
18:00:38dan_aSoap: Not everyone is using an iPod!
18:00:45GnelikI think it wont work on sansa
18:00:47Soapdan_a: point
18:01:02Sequellrockbox on 5g video ipods still plays video files, doesn't it?
18:01:54SoapSequell: like rasher said, the assumption being that vocal tracks are mastered dead center, and thus L+inverse right = leaves behind only what isn't common (vocal) to both.
18:02:27SoapSequell: not .mp4 like Apple FW, and not anything but mpeg 1/2 w/o sound.
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18:03:59PRGUYhey what font would make it look similar to the iPod font?
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18:05:22GnelikWhere do i put dooms wad file
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18:06:36SoapPRGUY: look at the iPod WPS page and check out what fonts the iPod clone WPSs are using.
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18:06:57dan_aGnelik: in /games/doom - it's in the wiki
18:06:58SoapGnelik: doom is well documented in the manual/wiki
18:07:22PRGUYwhere can I find teh iPod WPS page
18:07:34PRGUY(sorry for being such a pain)
18:07:46Soapipod port
18:07:48Sequellthat's pretty cool, the karaoke thing
18:07:53Soaphas all the main ipod wiki links
18:08:24Sequellit cuts out the bass guitar in talking heads songs as well as the voice, makes it sound interesting
18:08:26bluebrotherhmm. How about moving doom gamedata to /.rockbox/doom?
18:08:48rasherbluebrother: Go go go
18:09:06rasherYou wrote a patch for that, right?
18:09:07*bluebrother searches for the patch he made for that some while ago
18:09:26rasherDidn't we agree on .rockbox/games/*/`?
18:09:34rasher(for pacman and possibly other)
18:09:45*petur must have missed the discussion
18:10:09rasherIt was a 15 minute discussion, so that's understandable
18:10:13peturwhy have all that non rb stuff in there? I'd rather have *all* data out of the rb tree
18:10:45peturI'm very fond of keeping programs and data separate
18:10:46rasherHrm, I see it the other way. I'd rather have everything related to Rockbox in there
18:10:47bluebrotheramiconn made the valid point that all other games also have their subdir below .rockbox
18:10:58bluebrotherlike rockboy
18:11:07peturtime to get them out of there?
18:11:21peturah well...
18:11:27rasherBut pretty much all of .rockbox is data anyway
18:11:32rasherfonts, languages, etc
18:11:40peturI mean user data
18:11:49peturnot included in the zip that is
18:12:03bluebrotherpetur, see FS #5903 for the patch I made
18:12:35bluebrotherhaving archived themes would be also a nice thing, but I'm missing the time to work on that atm :(
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18:12:52peturif it was agreed upon by the oldtimers then I won't mind :p
18:13:04rasherI don't think it was
18:13:27bluebrotherthat's the reason why I haven't done it yet.
18:13:29rasher(not disagreed either, there just weren't any here)
18:14:00peturthe way it is now makes it impossible to start with a new rockbox tree. so you end up deleting old plugins (that get renamed) by hand :(
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18:14:31peturbecause if you wipe .rockbox you loose way too much data
18:14:44petur(custom configs, saved settings, ...)
18:14:57bluebrotherbut the only files sometimes one gets removed are the plugins
18:14:59peturbeen there once, didn't like it :/
18:15:34*petur remembers wps maintenance too
18:15:57*bluebrother still wants to code archived themes
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18:17:02bluebrotherpetur, what do you think of a theme installer? FS #6156
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18:18:59peturnot a bad idea
18:19:07peturlike cab files on CE
18:19:23peturmaybe also auto-delete them after install?
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18:19:43*bluebrother remembers he wanted to write a zip to rbt converter script
18:20:33bluebrotherI'd prefer not to delete them so the user can reinstall it like after wiping .rockbox
18:20:45bluebrotherwor testing I put those files in some folder like /themes
18:24:51bluebrotherbut it could be an option in the installer
18:26:16GnelikCan i use gui/list in bootloader???
18:26:28peturwhy not make a more generic installer that can handle fonts, wps, radiopresets ?
18:27:48Genre9mp320min late: IMO files you don't use the File Browser to reach them (like Doom wads) should be in .rockbox dir
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18:29:07bluebrotherbut what format should those install files have? Simply the same and distinguishing with their file extensions?
18:29:29bluebrotherfmr go to fmpresets, fnt to fonts etc.?
18:29:40bluebrothernice idea.
18:29:41WettWhy not having 2 main directories ? One for programs and one for other data ? I dislike seeing my folders being disorganized by rockbox stuff, but i also hate loosing my settings everytime I update
18:30:19rasherWhy would you lose your settings?
18:30:20peturmy thoughts exactly
18:30:30bluebrotherlike having a /.rbdata? or /.userdata?
18:30:48bluebrotheran installer would still be helpful imo ;-)
18:30:49Gnelikbluebrother: For example .ri(rockbox instaler) and have a config file inside
18:31:09Wettrasher: because I used to have problems just overwritting ./rockbox folder
18:31:27peturrasher: try deleting .rockbox and unzipping a fresh install: gone are your settings (saved cfg for now but soon your TRUE settings), fm presets, ...
18:31:53bluebrotherhmm. I think I'd prefer distinguishing based on file extensions to be independend from some internal file
18:32:16peturwould also make it easier to back up only your settings & stuff (highscores,...)
18:32:21bluebrotherrequiring an additional file would make it harder for installer file packagers. And thus decrease the acceptance
18:32:36obobluebrother: I'm working on one at the moment...
18:32:41Genre9mp3having /.rockbox and /.rbdata dirs doesn't sound bad
18:32:54bluebrotherobo, what exactly?
18:32:59oboan installer
18:33:14bluebrotheryou've seen my theme installer at FS?
18:33:17peturbluebrother: the installer could look at the files inside and figure out what it is
18:33:42petur.fmr is a preset file, .cfg a theme, ...
18:34:09peturand don't allow mixed tars (presets+theme,..)
18:34:28Gnelikpetur: eqs are alsow .cfg
18:34:46bluebrothermy current installer e.g. recognizes all bmp files unless the bmp is set as backdrop in the theme file
18:35:03bluebrotherbut that's mostly the approach I already used.
18:35:53bluebrotherobo, how exactly are you working on an installer? Themes only or a more generic one?
18:36:02obomore generic
18:37:46bluebrotherhmm. For all file types that can get distinguished by the file extension extending my installer would be easy
18:38:30GnelikLets change qe entension to .eq
18:38:37Gnelikqe = eq
18:38:46bluebrothersounds reasonable to me
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18:39:27Gnelikand them's one to theme
18:39:33bluebrotheranything else that shares extensions?
18:40:02Gnelikviwer, plugins
18:40:08Gnelikhow about them?
18:40:31GnelikThey all are .rock
18:41:05bluebrotheryeah, but I don't think we need an installer for that
18:41:14bluebrotheras they need to match the plugin api
18:42:05bluebrotherinstead I'd like to have subcategories in the plugins folder ;-)
18:43:42GnelikI have seen suck patch why it isn't in cvs now?
18:43:59*bluebrother rebuilds his installer patch
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18:45:21GnelikCan i use gui/list in bootloader???
18:45:32bluebrotherno idea.
18:46:45[g2]Gnelik rEFIt uses graphics
18:47:56[g2]Gnelik rEFIt is a bootloader on the Macs and is uses graphics (GUI) to selecting different options
18:48:10rasherHard to run that on your DAP though
18:48:22*bluebrother recognizes his installer already handles fnt files
18:48:29[g2]rasher the point was that some bootloaders do use graphics
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18:48:45[g2]rasher it's simply a memory and complexity issue
18:48:50rasherWell, Gnelik was a bit more specific than that.
18:48:57rasherGnelik's question
18:49:39rasherbootloader means the Rockbox bootloader, and no, I don't believe (or hope!) that the gui_list widget is available there
18:49:55Gnelik[g2] i am sure that i can use graptics, but dont know about the list.h
18:50:08Gnelikwith its features
18:50:56[g2]rasher my bad. thx for the clarification I only saw that the last bit
18:52:49rasherGnelik: I guess you could #include a whole bunch of stuff into the bootloader, but I doubt that'll ever make it into Rockbox. The bootloader is supposed to load rockbox as fast as possible, while still allowing dual-boot by holding down a button or similar
18:52:59lamedwhat aptget package is gmake?
18:53:39rashergmake is only used on Freebsd, which as its own non-GNU make
18:54:23lamedso what does that means then? Consider upgrading to GNU make 3.81+ for optimum build performance.
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18:54:40rasherlamed: You have an old version
18:55:08lamedapt-get install make = make is already the newest version.
18:55:26bluebrotherlamed, there have been some improvements made to make building faster, but those require a newer make version.
18:55:39bluebrotherNo problem at all, it's simply a bit slower
18:55:46bluebrotherI also have an older version of make
18:56:13lamedi was trying to download it, it could be that I'm on an old server that doesn't yet have the new make.
18:56:45lamedmy make version is 3.80
18:57:19lamedhow do I check what version is on my apt-get server side?
18:57:28rasherapt-cache policy make
18:58:10rashermake in Debian Stable s 3.80
18:58:58lamedyeah. it has "make 3.80-9". I guess the -9 doesn't mean a lot otherwise it would have already been downloaded
18:59:13rasherThe -9 is just the debian package version
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19:00:23lamedah. so it's kind of wierd having that "cosider upgrading to gnumake" message if it's only valid for freebsd.
19:00:41lamed(yeah ok or not stable for debian)
19:01:18rashert isn't
19:01:37rasherWhat you have installed is GNU make
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19:02:14rasherIt is simply called make on linux systems. Only on *BSD is it called gmake
19:02:32rasherwhich is what you asked about first
19:03:45lamedrasher - I ment that you can (probably) get a newer version then 3.80 gnu make for debian, but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to. and that's why the "consider" message might not be the smartest idea
19:04:04lamed(work cvs diff work!)
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19:04:37rasherI think you misunderstand the meaning of "stable" in Debian terms.
19:05:15rasherIt means the environment doesn't change. Not that the software is stable (it mostly is, but that's true for the other parts of Debian as well)
19:05:32rasherIt means all programs remain the same, no versionchanges etc.
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19:08:35lamednow you got me all mixed up and I even don't know why.
19:08:37lamedi'm on debian
19:09:28lamedand I get the message about gnu make although I have the newest package that there is released.
19:09:40rasherYes, because that version is old. Ish.
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19:09:59rasherThe thing I'm responding to is "but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to."
19:10:03lamedbut it's not for debian it terms of released packages
19:10:20rasherThere's nothing stopping you from switching to Dbian testing or unstable
19:10:42lamedok, now i got what you mean
19:12:03lamedwhy can't I cvs diff properly... :/
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19:26:20GnelikI am newbin in C
19:26:32Gneliktell me what is wrong in here:
19:26:32Gnelik char items[MENU_COUNT][256];
19:26:32Gnelik items[0] = "Sandisk";
19:26:32DBUGEnqueued KICK Gnelik
19:26:32Gnelik items[1] = "Rockbox";
19:27:00Gnelikchar items[MENU_COUNT][256];
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19:36:35Kyl3Hey guys just a quick question. Did rockbox add support for H300 1.31K yet? if not are you guys going to?
19:38:19peturmust admit I'm not following iriver fw anymore :)
19:38:29peturwhat did they remove this time?
19:38:50Kyl3They made it more rockbox like actully
19:38:57markunand added games, right?
19:39:02Kyl3Added a few games and OTF playlists
19:39:31Kyl3And petur me niether but I checked Misticriver today and there and there it was
19:39:34peturwhy would they still maintain fw of a player they stopped producing?
19:40:07Kyl3Well... its Korean. Maybe they still sell them there
19:41:23peturtsss minesweeper
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19:43:36peturhahaha... no background music supported... either listen or game...
19:43:58CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:43:58*petur ran the iriver page through babelfish
19:45:31peturthey mention something about being able to use an OGG file. did iriver support OGG?
19:46:35peturbugfix seems to be leapyear related - maybe they started using the RTC chip correctly now ;)
19:46:43bluebrotherI bought the h120 because of their ogg support
19:47:11bluebrotherbut when I started re-ripping my CDs to ogg I looked for an alternative and found rockbox −− the ogg support of the h120 is crappy
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19:47:48peturthe translation is really funny....
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19:48:26Gnelike200.c:226: error: syntax error before ';' token
19:48:35GnelikHelp me
19:48:53bluebrotherforgot a ; the line before?
19:49:16Lamedpetur: around?
19:49:27petur*looks around* yups
19:50:10Gnelikbluebrother:: checked this
19:50:15Lamedyou were working and commiting the agc patch, right?
19:50:21Slasheriamiconn: hehe, now i got it booted up from flash :) somehow initially setting cpu speed crashed the unit
19:50:45Kyl3So no bootloader support yet for 1.31K?
19:51:00peturLamed: I just committed it (and use it)
19:51:31Gnelikbluebrother: ";" in defines
19:51:53Lamedhmm, I'd love if everyone could keep going by , that will save me a lot of time and effort in the future...
19:52:47Lamedis 'cvs diff -u * > 123' the wrong syntax?!
19:54:11peturLamed: that internal font thing was added after AGC iirc
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19:56:20tucozpreglow: around?
19:57:22habanaDid users of the frsser version for sansa suport have troubles with keys (as very badly working) ? maybe i missed a patch not yet added to cvs ?
19:57:38habanafrsser = fresh
19:57:45tucozit´s nice to see the sansa port moving forwa
19:58:11tucozI´ll probably buy myself one of those after christmas.
20:00:46Lamedpetur, well the cvs says you don't 'rc'... but it truely was a short while after that (~ a week) and it was just a future reference anyhow :)
20:01:09Slasheriamiconn: now the rockbox logo is basically displayed as soon what it takes to initialize the lcd :)
20:01:59Slasheriamiconn: and buttons seems to work very early
20:02:22Slasherii pressed power button twice shortly (about 500ms between the presses) and resume function activated :)
20:04:15GnelikIs lcd_invertrect exist?
20:04:40Slasheriamiconn: basically buttons react before anything is displayed on the lcd (it seems lcd is quite slow to initialize)
20:06:24Slasherii am about to add a "crash recovery" screen to the bootloader that is automatically activated if rockbox has not cleanly shutdown
20:08:06peturnext step is to make the background color blue and foreground color white in the crash screen? :p
20:09:22Slasheriamiconn: and now it's possible to have both of the rom and ram image in the flash separately at the same time
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20:12:31peturgrmph... I can't get my properties screen addition below 1688 bytes... amiconn, how bad is that? Shall I go optimize some places to compensate?
20:13:12jhMikeSGnelik: use set_draw_mode(DRMODE_COMPLEMENT)
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20:13:46kristinstickleHello. I'm installing Rockbox onto my 1gb 1st generation iPod Nano from Linux, and have run into a little snag. I'm not sure bootpartion.bin was created at all, as it isn't in the temporary directory I created.
20:14:47kristinstickleI don't want to continue until I've got said file backed up somewhere safe.
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20:16:09kristinstickleI did the following: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin
20:18:03n1sand your ipod is sda?
20:18:27kristinstickleYes, my ipod is sda
20:19:00kristinstickleAt least, according to dmesg
20:22:31kristinstickleWait, being an Ubuntu user, should I have done sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin?
20:24:12kristinstickleNope, that didn't work either.
20:25:13scorcheit should say something about X records written/read
20:27:04kristinstickleI'm about to copy and paste what Konsole spit out at me:
20:27:08kristinstickle160587+0 records in160587+0 records out82220544 bytes (82 MB) copied, 95.2868 seconds, 863 kB/s
20:27:15scorcheuse pastebin please
20:27:31scorcheit should be fine
20:27:39scorchethat one wasnt that bad ;)
20:27:49scorcheand you said that you dont see it?
20:28:10dan_ahabana: The scroll wheel doesn't work yet, so yes, the keys are badly working. It says this in the forum ;)
20:28:16kristinstickleNope. It isn't in ~/rockbox, nor is it in my home directory.
20:28:44n1skristinstickle: where did you run the command from?
20:28:45kristinstickleAnywhere else where it might have been hidden?
20:29:01kristinsticklefrom within the rockbox directory I created.
20:29:33kristinsticklewhich is at /home/rockbox. The temporary folder I was told to create following the wiki installation instructions.
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20:30:10kristinstickleIf all else fails, can I get by not backing this file up?
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20:30:39scorchewell, you need to modify the file and then copy it back to the device
20:30:57scorcheand extract the apple firmware from it
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20:32:29habanadan_a : it was not related to the wheel. In menu containing "recent bookmarks" on top and "Info" in the bottom, only these two folders are access granted with up and down buttons.
20:33:03yipethere is nothing on TV :(
20:33:15yipeI'm watching the stupid breakfast club, again....
20:34:34kristinstickleHmm. Okay. Tried it again, and this time it worked. Didn't do anything different.... Weird.
20:34:54yipeah, wrong channel, sorry
20:34:59yipeyou don't care what I'm watching :P
20:35:08*Lamed commiting
20:35:08kristinstickleWell, at least now I have my bootpartion.bin file. Sorry about that, guys! I guess third time's the charm.
20:36:18kristinstickleI have nothing against the breakfast club. Just not something I'd want to watch more than once in a short period. O_O
20:37:18kristinstickleOkay. Goodbye. Thanks for being patient with me. Wish me luck on the rest of the installation!
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20:42:30Lamedbagder: around?
20:42:57peturbleh... output_dyn_value() can't handle big values :/
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20:44:08Slasheriamiconn: rockbox even no longer seems to crash during playback when running from ROM :)
20:44:11Lamedcan anyone check why can't I login using my developer username?!
20:45:12rasherSlasheri: how is rockbox in rom working out?
20:45:24rasherWhat are te benefits
20:45:27Slasherirasher: seems to work very well at the moment :)
20:45:43Slasherirasher: even _little_ faster boot time than running from ram and reduced ram usage
20:46:11Slasheriram available for audio buffering will be increased something like 350 kB
20:46:15rasherI wouldn't know about the boot time, still not flashed
20:46:28Slasherihehe, you should try :)
20:46:41rasherI guess. I'm awaiting a bootloader release
20:46:42Slasheribut only if you have h120/140
20:46:46rasherI do
20:47:06Slasheriyep, i am now doing some important changes to the bootloader
20:47:07Lamedguys, who's admining the cvs server? (that is around)
20:47:17GnelikI cant choze right sleep
20:47:24GnelikMy it blinks
20:47:40peturLamed: you need Bagder or LinusN
20:48:19Lamedbut they are both not around and I just want to commit and get it over with
20:48:21Slasherirasher: the other benefits for running from flash (either ram or rom image) is that dircache and tagcache states can be loaded from disk
20:48:50Slasheriso rockbox no longer needs to scan disk after boot to load the directory cache thus saving some battery
20:48:51rasherSlasheri: I still don't understand how these two are related
20:48:58peturyuck... trying to use output_dyn_value() increased my binary size :(
20:49:31Slasherirasher: eeprom is needed to store flag when disk is intact and that can't be done if original fw is using the eeprom
20:50:16rasherAh, and if the OF is there, you don't know if it's tampered with the disk anyway
20:50:39Slasheriyep, we have no way to know then
20:51:05Slasheribut without OF bootloader changes the eeprom flag to indicate disk has been tampered if usb bootloader mode has been used for example
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20:58:26Gnelikhow can i get all files with .e200 extention from some directory?
20:59:47SoapWhat OS are you on?
21:00:35GnelikC :)
21:00:47GnelikRockbox Api
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21:05:16webguest23I just found your website. Does rockbox work with flash based players, or just HD players?
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21:07:48peturanybody got any objections against me adding my implementation of (my patch is at the bottom)? It's a file and directory properties context screen...
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21:10:12peturwebguest23: and are nice starting points
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21:10:35Soapan advanced-file-management pluggin would prevent any binary bloat ;)
21:10:36peturthe latter shows which models are supported too ;)
21:10:50peturSoap: I know
21:11:14peturmaybe I should make a plugin of it...
21:11:41peturand have it loaded from the browser context menu (like credits is done)
21:11:48SoapI say that, but I can't think of other functions to move to such a pluggin.
21:11:59bluebrotherpetur, that properties sounds nice.
21:12:05Soapwhich would be the real space-saver.
21:12:13bluebrotherespecially as it isn't a plugin
21:12:29bluebrothermaybe only enable it on swcodec because of the size increase?
21:13:11peturreason I wrote it is because I missed it a lot recently and was surprised we didn't have it
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21:14:09peturit adds 1680 bytes tho :(
21:14:53bluebrotherI'm surprised it adds that much
21:15:26peturfor files it shows path,name, date and time. for directories it shows number of subdirs, files and total size of all files
21:16:07petura lot of bytes go to the screen output and some new LANG_xxx strings
21:16:39peturI tried to reuse existing LANG_xxx strings as much as possible, which is ugly...
21:17:06XavierGrI am in for this petur
21:17:10XavierGrnice patch
21:17:13peturand optimized it from 2036 to 1680 bytes - maybe I should go over the rest of the code :)
21:17:17XavierGrI say commit it :P
21:17:28peturdid you try it?
21:17:56XavierGrno, but I like the idea
21:18:30peturlet's hear how loud amiconn swears when he arrives
21:19:00XavierGrwell I think that file\dir properties are essential for a file browser anyway
21:21:19bluebrotherI'm not sure if I consider that number of subdirs on folder properties needed.
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22:17:42Slasheriah, now the bootloader works great also, with automatic failsafe menu activation
22:17:55Slasheriand hold switch activates that menu too with automatic shutdown
22:18:11habanaon wich players ?
22:18:13Slasheriand using rec button it's possible to change the default boot image
22:18:22Slasherih120/140 with flashed rockbox :)
22:18:46habananice ! a kind of grub
22:18:48bluebrotherchanging the default boot image sticky?
22:19:03Slasheribluebrother: yes, that settings is written to the eeprom
22:19:26bluebrotherthe only thing that refrains me from flashing is frequent updating
22:19:30Slasherishould be commit ready in few days :)
22:19:37dpassen1Slasheri: Is there a clean way to stop the heuristics for tracknumber guessing in the Database?
22:19:48bluebrotherare the "basic" codecs (ogg, mp3) also in flash already?
22:19:58Slasheridpassen1: not at the moment unless compiling rockbox
22:20:15Slasheribluebrother: no, only rockbox firmware image (ram or rom image) itself
22:20:32dpassen1Would it still be clean (i.e.: just commenting out a few lines of code)?
22:20:52Slasheridpassen1: yep, open apps/tagcache.c
22:21:11bluebrotheris there space left to do this later? Would be great to have a "safe" working Rockbox in flash that doesn't depend on the codecs on disk (but could use them)
22:21:28dpassen1Ok, looking at it.
22:21:29Slasheriand line 1507
22:21:36Slashericomment out the whole if block
22:21:50dpassen1Thank you very much
22:21:55Slasheribluebrother: hmm, might be
22:22:01Slasherinp :)
22:23:34bluebrotherbtw, why has nobody added loading the OF from disk? Because of the encryption or no interest at all?
22:24:03Slasherithat would need reverse engineering, not so easy to do
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22:24:30Slasherithere is no way to know how hardware must be initialized and how to load the original fw to ram
22:27:12bluebrotherI was just curious
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22:43:55amiconnpetur: The one who breaks yet another rombox will get shot. ;\
22:44:30amiconnWe're ~1200 bytes away from the barrier on Ondio FM
22:44:57Bagderbut we can't let rombox stop development
22:45:20amiconnI wonder why a simple file info adds that much code
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22:49:07amiconn_The whole bmp loader is just 1.3KB on archos, and ~2.1KB on H300
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22:53:20jhMikeSdoes gcc merge duplicate strings?
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22:56:37sekondchakrawhat does 'tag cache is not ready" mean? I've been getting it for the past 4 hours... (!)
22:58:59sekondchakraI've tried updating it; re-initializing it...
22:59:03sekondchakraany ideas?
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23:08:49Slasherinow i have the bootloader 2kB below the binary limit..
23:09:18Slasherisekondchakra: you need to remove /.rockbox/*.tcd files and try again
23:10:46sekondchakrathanks slasheri...let me try that...
23:13:52sekondchakraI see a "tagcache_tmp.tcd" file−−are there others imbedded in other folders?
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23:14:54Slasherisekondchakra: if there is just that temporary file, it might indicate something has gone wrong. Did you reboot after initializing the database?
23:15:21sekondchakraWell...hard to remember... I've re-initialized and updated and rebooted several times today...
23:15:41Slasherithat tmp file should vanish after reboot
23:15:59sekondchakrashould i drop back and punt?
23:16:12Slasherigive it a try :)
23:16:27sekondchakrabut seriously folks... where's a good place to start over?
23:16:39Slasheriand if you can't get it working, you can send that file to me
23:16:57sekondchakrayou mean the one that I deleted (cuz you told me to?!) LOL!
23:17:00Slasherithen i can check if there is a bug's still in the trash!
23:17:15Slasherihehe, yep, but you can generate it again :)
23:17:24Slasheridon't take it from the trash :D
23:17:30tychverdoes anyone know how much of a difference using GCC-4.1.1 rather than 4.0.3 makes for ARM?
23:17:31sekondchakraso, where should I start over??
23:17:50Slasherisekondchakra: initialize tagcache and reboot after disk has spun down
23:18:03sekondchakragotcha. brb
23:19:25sekondchakraok. initializing. how do I know when it's done?
23:19:32sekondchakraand how do I know when the disc has spun down?
23:19:59sekondchakra(I think the initializing has something to do with that teensy little icon in the uppermost right corner?)
23:20:15sekondchakraHey! no laughing! I admit to being a n00b!
23:21:07Slasheriyes, that tiny icon should indicate disk access
23:21:14Slasheriwait until it goes off
23:21:23sekondchakraok. it's off now....
23:21:36sekondchakrareboot now?
23:21:38Slasherithen reboot
23:21:56Slasheriamiconn:, do you think changes might break archos units?
23:22:35sekondchakra"Committing tagcache"
23:23:16habanaCan someone explain me why the sansa mounts its partition automatically with the official firmware and not with the Rockbox one ? great mystery for me
23:23:16sekondchakraNope. "tag cache is not ready"
23:23:56Slasherisekondchakra: weird, do you have the newest version of rockbox?
23:25:32sekondchakrai would assume so...i only installed it day-before-yesterday...
23:26:04Slasheriok, then please dcc that tmp file to me.. i will take a look later if i have some time
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23:26:33sekondchakrathe one in the trash−−or the one just created?
23:26:46sekondchakra(they're probably the same?)
23:26:48Slasherithe one just created
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23:27:06sekondchakraok... hang on while I snag that...
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23:27:58sekondchakraactually...there are SEVERAL now... 7 +the temp one...
23:28:16sekondchakraoh...wait. only 6 plus the temp one...
23:28:49sekondchakrano...7 there's an index version, too...
23:28:52Slasheriinteresting.. so the commit process has probably failed
23:28:58Slasherisend only that _tmp
23:29:58sekondchakrahere she comes...
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23:33:14Slasheribut now i go sleeping, you can send it any time, i have autoget on
23:33:41sekondchakrait just aborted...
23:33:44sekondchakrai'll try again...
23:34:15sekondchakrayou must be in europe somewhere?
23:34:31Slasheriyep, in finland :)
23:34:39Slasherihmm, i got nothing
23:34:53sekondchakracould it be a router issue?
23:34:54Slasheriah, you have not registered in freenode and can't use dcc
23:35:00Slasherido you use ircnet?
23:35:09Slasheriyou can send to Slasher there
23:35:22sekondchakrais that what you asked?
23:35:24Slasheribut ircnet network?
23:35:25Slasherino :)
23:35:47sekondchakracan't I just log onto ircnet?
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23:36:03Slasherithat is exactly what i meant
23:36:14Slasherithere dcc should work
23:36:29sekondchakraok. I'm on ircnet now... do i have to go into a channel?
23:36:49Slasherino, just dcc send it to Slasher
23:37:21sekondchakrahmmm.... how do i tell xchat to send it to YOU....?
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23:37:56Slasherii don't know.. in Irssi i would say /dcc send Slasher "file"
23:37:59Slasheriyou could try /help dcc
23:38:07Slasheribut now i have to go, cu tomorrow
23:38:15sekondchakraok.... thanks!!
23:39:00sekondchakraDCC SEND slasher tagcache_tmp.tcd
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23:47:18PaulPositionany way to checkout the 'dev' part of cvs (simulators, etc.) without re-checking the basic rockbox stuff?
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23:53:39*petur returns
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23:54:35*jhMikeS figured out what gives with clicks between dsp resampled tracks
23:55:57peturamiconn: have a look at my patch ( at the bottom) and tell me why it uses 1680 bytes / I'll have another look myself. If there's something borked, it might save us more code as some of it comes frome the recursive dir delete
23:56:36*petur thinks it must be the long long
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