| 00:00:16 | Bagder | then I don't think lots of people would use it |
| 00:00:22 | Abidibs | lol |
| 00:00:41 | Abidibs | i came here a long time ago and there was somekind of risk? |
| 00:00:47 | Abidibs | is there? |
| 00:00:48 | Bagder | but of course there's slight risk, so keep a backup of your music |
| 00:01:06 | Bagder | Abidibs: no ipod ever has been bricked because of Rockbox |
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| 00:01:16 | xamox | does rockbox run on the ipod shuffle? |
| 00:01:19 | Bagder | no |
| 00:01:27 | Abidibs | hmm |
| 00:01:32 | | Join moscs [0] (i=firexoc@82.101.189.31) |
| 00:01:34 | * | amiconn is a bit surprised |
| 00:01:39 | Abidibs | the music might get messed up |
| 00:01:41 | moscs | hi all |
| 00:01:42 | amiconn | Wavpack boosts, wth |
| 00:02:01 | Bagder | Abidibs: why? |
| 00:02:02 | Abidibs | but if it does can i just put back the apple firmware |
| 00:02:03 | amiconn | I was thinking it didn't |
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| 00:02:19 | Abidibs | and the music? |
| 00:02:30 | * | Bagder stops talking |
| 00:02:49 | Abidibs | kk |
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| 00:03:48 | jba | hey guys I can't seem to find any screenies for color rockbox. can anyone give me some linkage? |
| 00:04:20 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 00:04:24 | petur | Abidibs: you can keep the music the way it was and use tagcache (see manual) or delete the whole itunes stuff and copy your music from the browser |
| 00:04:44 | petur | just remember rockbox doesn't do drm |
| 00:04:50 | moscs | i have problem with my ipod shuffle he don't show nothing wen i plug into usb ? i was tried to upgrade firmware with software of ipod but nothinh happen :( |
| 00:05:05 | Bagder | moscs: contact Apple |
| 00:05:17 | moscs | ? |
| 00:05:28 | Bagder | they make the thing you know |
| 00:05:37 | Bagder | this is not a generic ipod help forum |
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| 00:06:48 | moscs | but i was heared about rockbox can support firmware of ipod ? |
| 00:06:49 | Abidibs | Bagder i don't think i'm explaining right.Let's say that rockbox messes up and i can't turn on my ipod |
| 00:07:03 | Abidibs | can i uninstall rockbox and reinstall apple software? |
| 00:07:08 | Bagder | moscs: yes, but not on the shuffle |
| 00:07:08 | petur | Abidibs: yes |
| 00:07:17 | moscs | :(( |
| 00:07:26 | moscs | no chance |
| 00:07:31 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:07:31 | Abidibs | thank you guys |
| 00:07:52 | petur | Abidibs: worst case you didn't backup the original os and need to factory restore it (wipes all) |
| 00:07:53 | rasher | Color screenshots: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots16bpp |
| 00:07:58 | Abidibs | and btw i think you should really simplifie rockbox |
| 00:08:23 | z0de | lol |
| 00:08:24 | Bagder | why? |
| 00:08:24 | * | petur thinks of some more features to add ;) |
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| 00:08:33 | z0de | defeats the point of having rockbox |
| 00:08:39 | rasher | jba: Other color screenshots: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots16bpp |
| 00:08:51 | jba | wow, that looks so much nicer than the crappy file browser we just managed to get up on the gigabeat port |
| 00:09:19 | Bagder | jba: well, once you get the bitmap loading and wps going, those things come automaticly |
| 00:09:41 | amiconn | Hehe, buggy bounce ;) |
| 00:09:54 | rasher | amiconn: Yeah, should be updated to be quite honest |
| 00:10:03 | moscs | any idea about how i do to restore my ipod ? |
| 00:10:18 | Bagder | we should punish that lame author of bounce |
| 00:10:22 | Bagder | oh wait... |
| 00:10:33 | amiconn | There are still some odds regarding to backgrounds and backdrops due to kkurbjun's change |
| 00:10:48 | * | amiconn checks who was that |
| 00:11:08 | petur | mosc: rockbox doesn't support shuffle. contact apple or look on the net for some help elsewhere... |
| 00:11:18 | * | amiconn hands Bagder the self-punishing toolset |
| 00:11:24 | petur | moscs even |
| 00:11:25 | amiconn | ;) |
| 00:11:26 | Bagder | thanks |
| 00:11:33 | Bagder | can come handy! |
| 00:11:39 | * | petur remembers to use auto-completion |
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| 00:23:21 | Soap | z0de: I think I know what might be contributing to your skipping,. |
| 00:23:36 | Soap | besides the fact you are on a ipod 5g with a large screen and all |
| 00:23:51 | rasher | He's on a x5 |
| 00:23:55 | Soap | do you have dir cache enabled? |
| 00:24:05 | Soap | take that back, that might not do a dang thing for skipping. |
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| 00:26:26 | Soap | ahh, I mixed up z0de and xamox's lines. |
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| 00:29:17 | z0de | so no help for me :( |
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| 00:44:55 | cool2bdave | Hi all, I was hoping I could get some help with my Iaudio X5 |
| 00:46:34 | z0de | whats up? |
| 00:46:36 | cool2bdave | The joystick button when pushed to the right seems to produce a kepress for the record, play, select or the right joystick button |
| 00:46:57 | cool2bdave | I can confirm this when I look at the io ports |
| 00:47:15 | cool2bdave | I have only had it for a week and it is not getting much better |
| 00:47:49 | cool2bdave | The origional firmware produces an invalid keypress very occasionally |
| 00:48:55 | petur | remove rockbox and take it back to the shop? |
| 00:49:29 | cool2bdave | The problem is the origional does it so occasionally that they may not believe it is an issue |
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| 00:50:03 | cool2bdave | Rockbox is much more sensitive than the origional |
| 00:51:11 | cool2bdave | The shop does refund for a week, maybe I will just ask for a refund and buy a new one elsewhere |
| 00:52:12 | petur | I'd just explain it to them. If they don't trust you you can still ask the refund. Make sure you remove rockbox completely |
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| 00:53:11 | cool2bdave | That is true, I will do that. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it |
| 00:55:00 | amiconn | rrrrr |
| 00:55:39 | amiconn | gui_scrollbar_draw() has a bug when handling large values that I fixed in the old scrollbar() ages ago |
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| 01:00:14 | amiconn | Hmm, the fix was in fact ported, but doesn't work due to porter silliness |
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| 01:02:59 | amiconn | Seems it was my silliness after all, looking at version 1.7 ... |
| 01:05:24 | markun | rasher: the problem with the slow list scrolling is the font caching used for fonts bigger than the font buffer. |
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| 01:14:36 | Soap | markun: could you prevent this by removing unused symbols from the font file to make it smaller? |
| 01:15:14 | amiconn | petur: Mixed results. Vorbis: slight slowdown (29%->30% boost), AC3: slight speedup (23%->22% boost), Wavpack: significant speedup (39%->31% boost) |
| 01:15:34 | amiconn | Musepack and mp3 (320kbps) don't boost at all with both |
| 01:15:46 | petur | so not too bad |
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| 01:17:58 | z0de | is this scroll stuff related to my problem? |
| 01:18:00 | * | amiconn should try gcc 4.1.1 |
| 01:19:47 | telliott_ | Anyone go out for the sales today? |
| 01:20:01 | petur | what sales? |
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| 01:21:14 | telliott_ | Sorry, wrong channel. I don't think any Rockbox players were on sale today. |
| 01:21:49 | petur | nope... rockbox is free :) |
| 01:22:46 | telliott_ | The only commonly available platform is the iPods and they're never on sale |
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| 01:26:59 | Soap | though Target was giving $35 gift cards with the purchace of 30gig 5.5Gs |
| 01:27:11 | Soap | as close to a sale as you are going to get. |
| 01:27:29 | Soap | and Sansa's were on deep discount at Best Buy. |
| 01:34:13 | tychver | what gcc/uclibc is used to build rockbox on the ipod? |
| 01:34:39 | tychver | would using a newer version of either be beneficial if I compiled my own? |
| 01:34:50 | tychver | I already have a cross compile environment set up on gentoo |
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| 01:35:55 | sekondchakra | help! why is my 1st gen ipod "dead" after installing rockbox?? |
| 01:36:48 | sekondchakra | it won't display...it won't boot...god, i hope it's not a paperweight now!! |
| 01:37:03 | tychver | what exactly is it doing? |
| 01:37:22 | sekondchakra | exactly? nothing. literally. |
| 01:37:35 | amiconn | (1) You cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox. (2) I wonder what version you did install |
| 01:37:42 | sekondchakra | 1stgen |
| 01:37:46 | amiconn | There is no 1st gen version |
| 01:38:04 | sekondchakra | it worked for about 10 minutes today...then i got a low battery indicator (it was fully charged though...) |
| 01:38:14 | sekondchakra | now it's−−as you say−−a brick! |
| 01:38:15 | amiconn | "iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th gen (Video), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen" |
| 01:38:27 | sekondchakra | ah...it's a "mini" 1st gen |
| 01:38:31 | amiconn | ok |
| 01:38:32 | sekondchakra | sorry.... |
| 01:38:46 | tychver | no problem, panic is understandable.. |
| 01:38:51 | sekondchakra | lol |
| 01:39:07 | sekondchakra | even menu/select isn't working.... |
| 01:39:25 | sekondchakra | it's plugged in to the charger now...and no charging display either |
| 01:39:45 | amiconn | Let it charge a bit, then try resetting again |
| 01:40:08 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash |
| 01:40:12 | sekondchakra | why would rockbox completely discharge it in 10 minutes...?? |
| 01:41:30 | tychver | depends what it was doing at the time, if it tried to build the tag cache then it would go flat pretty sharpish |
| 01:41:51 | tychver | other than that I have no idea |
| 01:41:54 | sekondchakra | i think it WAS doing that.... |
| 01:42:01 | tychver | ah ok |
| 01:42:05 | sekondchakra | but, gawd, 10 minutes??? |
| 01:42:11 | tychver | best to use USB power when doing that |
| 01:42:29 | Soap | don't forget the battery drain while installing, also. |
| 01:42:32 | sekondchakra | i originally did it that way... |
| 01:42:58 | sekondchakra | i was having a HELL of a time trying to get the album/artist/song display to work, too..... |
| 01:43:05 | sekondchakra | only got that working ONCE... |
| 01:43:16 | sekondchakra | n00b!! |
| 01:43:19 | Soap | rockbox does not draw as much power over USB as Apple's Firmware does, so in many cases you drain more power than you gain if playing music / building tagcache while plugged into USB. |
| 01:43:46 | amiconn | I doubt that applies to the minis though |
| 01:44:01 | amiconn | The microdrive consumes much less power than a 1.8" hd |
| 01:44:32 | sekondchakra | what's the secret to actually getting MUSIC to play?! LOL! I only seemed to be able to get file and a billion option displays... |
| 01:45:15 | Soap | yah, I always forget that the mini used MDs. |
| 01:45:30 | sekondchakra | "MD's"? |
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| 01:46:13 | Soap | microdrives, little CF sized hard drives.. |
| 01:46:19 | sekondchakra | ah... |
| 01:46:24 | sekondchakra | ok....i just got it to reboot! |
| 01:46:45 | sekondchakra | now, help me make it play somthing! LOL! |
| 01:46:56 | sekondchakra | (it's still plugged in to the charger...) |
| 01:47:34 | Soap | it boots into the File Browser, just like windows explorer you can navigate up and down the file tree and select music to play. |
| 01:47:40 | sekondchakra | i seem to have two choices of screens to start with: |
| 01:47:58 | sekondchakra | calendar / contacts / data files / etc |
| 01:48:01 | sekondchakra | 2) |
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| 01:48:05 | Soap | the file tree |
| 01:48:16 | sekondchakra | Recent bookmarks / sound settings / etc |
| 01:48:20 | Soap | the menu |
| 01:48:31 | sekondchakra | how do i browse / play music?? |
| 01:48:35 | petur | sekondchakra: if you keep using itunes, you must use tagcache |
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| 01:48:54 | sekondchakra | yeah, i ran that tagcache thingie.... |
| 01:49:14 | sekondchakra | how can i tell if it's been built? |
| 01:49:14 | Soap | from the file tree you move deeper into the path with the center button, and back out of a path with the <<| button |
| 01:49:29 | petur | general settings -> file view -> show files -> ID3 database |
| 01:49:34 | Soap | sekondchakra: the manual is excellent on this. |
| 01:50:41 | sekondchakra | the manual won't hold my hand like this...! ;-) |
| 01:51:02 | sekondchakra | ok. i just did the settings > file view > show files > id3 database... |
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| 01:51:13 | sekondchakra | now what? |
| 01:52:18 | tychver | try playing a file by browsing the tag cache |
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| 01:53:35 | sekondchakra | THAT's the part i'm struggling with...! how do i get the tag cache to display?? |
| 01:54:50 | sekondchakra | ah crap! I've got weird al yankovic playing...but I'm not sure what I did!! LOL! |
| 01:56:02 | petur | good. enjoy the music and now rtfm ;) |
| 01:56:15 | sekondchakra | so, how do you go BACK to the tag cache to browse for another song??!? |
| 01:56:21 | tychver | menu button |
| 01:56:22 | sekondchakra | (grrrrrrrr....) |
| 01:56:48 | tychver | menu swaps between the "menu" and the now playing screen/file browser |
| 01:57:11 | tychver | and the tag cache browser |
| 01:57:29 | tychver | I think to get to the tag cache browser from the now playing screen you press select |
| 01:57:30 | sekondchakra | yeah...but back at the 'menu' i don't see a tag cache option.... |
| 01:57:51 | tychver | go to the now playing screen and press select |
| 01:58:08 | sekondchakra | yes!! I just fingered that out...! |
| 01:58:25 | tychver | :) |
| 01:58:28 | * | petur is happy with all those buttons on his h340 :p |
| 01:58:37 | sekondchakra | but it only goes back to the album level.... |
| 01:59:01 | sekondchakra | ah.... the << button takes me back one add'l level.... |
| 01:59:02 | tychver | uh, then you need to use the forward and back buttons to navigate 'levels' |
| 01:59:12 | tychver | haha |
| 01:59:19 | sekondchakra | ok.... thanks for getting me out of that dark, scary, rockbox place!! |
| 01:59:23 | sekondchakra | ;-) |
| 01:59:32 | * | Genre9mp3 hides his buttons from iPod users :P |
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| 02:00:01 | sekondchakra | does rockbox have a volume limitation on it like is native to ipods? |
| 02:00:12 | petur | no |
| 02:00:55 | sekondchakra | coooooool.... on my XP box I had to run some kind of ipod volume delimiter to get it loud enough to play in the car.... |
| 02:01:08 | sekondchakra | "euPod Pro" |
| 02:02:22 | sekondchakra | is there a way for me to ask the 'pod what kind of battery it has (capacity)? |
| 02:03:11 | sekondchakra | there's a battery capacity setting...I don't remember what i put in there (it's a replacement batt) |
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| 02:04:44 | tychver | it's under 'general settings' |
| 02:04:47 | tychver | i think anyway |
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| 02:05:01 | tychver | but it's just to set the capacity |
| 02:05:08 | Soap | for runtime estimations |
| 02:05:13 | tychver | I usually use the smallest capactiy avaliable |
| 02:05:13 | Soap | which are off regardless |
| 02:05:18 | sekondchakra | no−−i found the setting...i don't know what the capacity of that batt is so i can set it properly.... |
| 02:05:38 | sekondchakra | is there a way to query it? "Hey, Mr. Battery! What's your capacity?!"? |
| 02:05:39 | tychver | doesn't rockbox now estimate battery status by the cells voltage? |
| 02:05:55 | Soap | sekondchakra: there is a wiki page on ipod hardware, if it doesn't mention battery capacity I bet the ipodlinux wiki does. |
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| 02:06:58 | sekondchakra | yeah...but it's a replacement battery... (higher capacity than the factory one, i think...) |
| 02:06:59 | Soap | the lipoly batteries in DAPs are two wire batteries w/o the ability to query. |
| 02:07:22 | sekondchakra | maybe i can find the receipt.... |
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| 02:15:32 | tychver | can you use gcc 4.1.* to build rockbox correctly for an arm platform yet (ipod 5th gen)? |
| 02:17:18 | sekondchakra | hey, does rockbox play ogg files?? |
| 02:17:34 | tychver | yup |
| 02:17:55 | sekondchakra | oh....KEWL!!! |
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| 02:18:24 | tychver | yeah, it play a lot of formats/codecs |
| 02:18:33 | sekondchakra | I've been dancin' with The Penguin for a couple of months...(tryin' to wean myself off of Bill Gates teat...) |
| 02:18:46 | sekondchakra | Especially before Vista arrives.... |
| 02:18:52 | sekondchakra | {bleah...} |
| 02:19:06 | tychver | I've been using Gentoo linux since 2004.3 |
| 02:19:20 | sekondchakra | if I can rip into oggies, that'll be cool.... |
| 02:19:44 | tychver | I keep my music collection on my computer in FLAC and transcode it to LAME variable bit rate MP3s for the ipod |
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| 02:20:21 | sekondchakra | cool... how do you transcode it? |
| 02:20:53 | sekondchakra | ooops. why did my rockbox just drop out of playing and go to a boot loader screen??? |
| 02:22:03 | tychver | not a clue sorry |
| 02:22:14 | sekondchakra | yikes. that's scary.... |
| 02:22:47 | tychver | um I use amarok to manage my music and use it with the transkode script to transcode it when I copy ot my ipo |
| 02:22:49 | tychver | d |
| 02:23:20 | sekondchakra | now the little critter won't stay OFF.... |
| 02:23:49 | sekondchakra | and it won't do anything but display the bootlader screen.... |
| 02:24:05 | tychver | it's looping? |
| 02:24:24 | sekondchakra | is that what you'd call it? |
| 02:24:46 | sekondchakra | I don't know−−I try and turn it off (by holding down the > button, and it just reboots... |
| 02:24:56 | tychver | well it fails and reboots and then fails and reboots and then fails and reboots? |
| 02:25:14 | sekondchakra | now it's back to the tagcache screen....! |
| 02:25:36 | sekondchakra | yep...it reboots as soon as it shuts down... |
| 02:25:45 | sekondchakra | poor, haunted little thing...! |
| 02:26:03 | sekondchakra | has it become the undead?! |
| 02:26:18 | sekondchakra | do i have to drive a tiny little stake through it's tiny little heart?? |
| 02:27:15 | sekondchakra | ok...now it's playing a song again... (feel free to sing along).... |
| 02:28:04 | tychver | rockbox is always fun, even when it's not working |
| 02:28:11 | sekondchakra | NOW ITS BACK TO THE APPLE MENU!!! |
| 02:28:19 | sekondchakra | WTF?!? |
| 02:28:43 | tychver | you can boot into the apple firmware by holding down menu as it boots |
| 02:28:52 | tychver | I'm guessing that's what you did |
| 02:28:54 | sekondchakra | really? |
| 02:28:57 | sekondchakra | that's good to know... |
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| 02:29:20 | tychver | yeah, essential if you want to play videos on an ipod video |
| 02:29:38 | sekondchakra | any hints on how to get it to shut off while in rockbox mode?? |
| 02:29:49 | sekondchakra | am i holding something down too long? |
| 02:30:20 | tychver | well you should be able to just hold select and menu and it will boot back into rockbox when it restarts |
| 02:30:55 | sekondchakra | yeah, that works fine... but I can't turn it OFF. As soon as I do...it reboots.... |
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| 02:31:22 | tychver | so you hold play while in rockbox to turn it off an it reboots? |
| 02:31:29 | sekondchakra | "shutting down".... then I get the apple logo and I'm back to the tagcache display... |
| 02:31:41 | sekondchakra | yes. exactly. |
| 02:32:11 | sekondchakra | whassup with THAT? |
| 02:33:17 | tychver | to be honest I have no idea |
| 02:33:25 | tychver | that's never happened to me |
| 02:33:45 | pixelma | is it still on the charger? I think I read something about it but don't have an ipod |
| 02:34:06 | sekondchakra | it IS still on the charger.... |
| 02:34:19 | sekondchakra | could there be a system setting I don't know about...? |
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| 02:34:50 | sekondchakra | like "idle poweroff" or something?? |
| 02:36:09 | amiconn | sekondchakra: The ipod won't poweroff as long as it is connected to the charger |
| 02:37:00 | sekondchakra | it won't? that's good to know! any idea of why it works that way?? |
| 02:37:27 | amiconn | Ask apple... |
| 02:37:46 | sekondchakra | lol. ok. i think i have Steve's number here somewhere... |
| 02:37:49 | sekondchakra | lol |
| 02:37:51 | amiconn | I wonder what kind of charger you have... |
| 02:38:03 | sekondchakra | it's the white cube thingie.... |
| 02:38:05 | amiconn | Guess it's firewire |
| 02:38:11 | amiconn | ...or uses the same pins |
| 02:38:27 | sekondchakra | 'bout 2 inches square... |
| 02:38:42 | amiconn | If it were connected to the usb power pins, rockbox would think usb is connected and reboot into diskmode |
| 02:38:48 | sekondchakra | yeah...it's got the firewire female jack on it... |
| 02:39:05 | sekondchakra | it reboots into tag cache tho... |
| 02:39:13 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't detect firewire (yet), so it just ignores that charger |
| 02:39:40 | amiconn | That's why rockbox tries to shutdown when holding play, but since the hardware can't be shut down with the charger connected, it reboots |
| 02:39:57 | tychver | shouldn't it still charge if he holds down menu when it goes on the charger? |
| 02:40:34 | amiconn | He doesn't need to hold Menu, since rockbox doesn't mistake this charger for usb |
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| 02:41:22 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't notice this charger at all |
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| 02:41:38 | amiconn | ...but of course the charger will charge, as charging is hardware controlled |
| 02:41:40 | sekondchakra | and it WILL charge ok in this (rockbox) mode? |
| 02:41:53 | sekondchakra | ah...you anticipated my Q! |
| 02:42:11 | sekondchakra | will it charge if I'm playing tunes while plugged into charger? |
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| 02:42:38 | sekondchakra | and can i expect more or less play time with rockbox? |
| 02:42:59 | tychver | less, definately less, probably about 20% less |
| 02:43:24 | tychver | well atleast that's what I get |
| 02:44:11 | sekondchakra | god...it just rebooted inself again.... |
| 02:44:14 | sekondchakra | itself |
| 02:44:38 | sekondchakra | it was just sitting there...i wasn't playing anything or even touching it... |
| 02:44:55 | amiconn | I already explained why that happens... |
| 02:45:01 | sekondchakra | you did???! |
| 02:45:09 | amiconn | You still have that charger connected, don't you? |
| 02:45:11 | sekondchakra | yes.... |
| 02:45:19 | sekondchakra | how else can i charge it?!?! |
| 02:45:41 | amiconn | You say it was just sitting there.... and I explained that rockbox doesn't notice the firewire charger... |
| 02:45:49 | sekondchakra | yeah.... |
| 02:46:06 | sekondchakra | so it turned itself off... |
| 02:46:10 | amiconn | ...so rockbox wanted to shutdown (idle poweroff), which in turn causes a reboot because of the charger |
| 02:46:19 | sekondchakra | yeah...that's what i was gonna say... |
| 02:46:20 | sekondchakra | gotcha. |
| 02:46:35 | sekondchakra | so I have to unplug it....turn it off...then plug it back in?? |
| 02:46:47 | sekondchakra | or turn off idle poweroff? |
| 02:47:11 | amiconn | Yes, but then don't forget to shutdwon when you want it to shutdown |
| 02:47:51 | sekondchakra | i almost NEVER forget to turn it off when I'm done listening...so i guess i should turn off the idle poweroff... |
| 02:48:26 | sekondchakra | will rockbox let you know when it's fully charged?? |
| 02:52:23 | sekondchakra | does a battery numeric display of "100" mean that it's at the battery level I set in battery capacity? |
| 02:52:51 | tychver | I shouldn't think so, rockbox has nothing to do with the charger |
| 02:53:13 | sekondchakra | but rockbox has a battery display... what is that displaying? |
| 02:53:14 | tychver | I think that the battery display for the ipod is actually based on the voltage curve of the battery |
| 02:53:30 | sekondchakra | but if i select the numeric display....? |
| 02:53:34 | tychver | a fully charged batter will show about 4.2v |
| 02:53:47 | tychver | a fully discharged battery will show 3.7v |
| 02:54:14 | sekondchakra | but i have a "100" showing! |
| 02:54:30 | tychver | then your battery is probably at 4.2v |
| 02:55:07 | sekondchakra | it was a "full" battery icon−−and when i changed it to numeric it changed to "100" |
| 02:55:20 | tychver | either that or the charger has caused the battery estimation to become very confused |
| 02:55:26 | tychver | it means 100% charged |
| 02:56:51 | sekondchakra | i'll have to watch it... |
| 02:57:42 | tychver | it might be easier just to charge it in the apple firmware |
| 02:58:04 | sekondchakra | i was thinking along those lines.... |
| 02:58:13 | tychver | I use the apple firmware for file transfers as its a lot faster |
| 02:58:26 | sekondchakra | THATS good to know, too.... |
| 02:58:33 | sekondchakra | so you only use rocky for playback...? |
| 02:58:37 | tychver | yup |
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| 03:01:58 | sekondchakra | ok... bonnie rait has been playing for 3 or 4 minutes and my battery number now says "97" |
| 03:04:46 | sekondchakra | is it easy to load new fonts and/or themes into rockbox |
| 03:04:47 | sekondchakra | ? |
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| 03:05:47 | tychver | yeah |
| 03:05:55 | tychver | you just download the fonts package |
| 03:06:14 | tychver | and some themes come with the extra fonts needed if they are not in the package |
| 03:06:20 | tychver | personally I use the ipodvision theme |
| 03:09:16 | sekondchakra | can i download em from the rockbox site? |
| 03:09:21 | sekondchakra | and how do i install em? |
| 03:09:23 | tychver | yup |
| 03:09:31 | tychver | just unzip them in the correct place |
| 03:09:50 | sekondchakra | and "the correct place" is....? |
| 03:10:00 | sekondchakra | is it in the ./rockbox folder?? |
| 03:10:56 | sekondchakra | OK. I got it turned off (finally)... |
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| 03:11:48 | tychver | well the fonts package can usually just be unzipped directly in the ipod root folder in the same way that the rockbox builds can be |
| 03:12:03 | tychver | but I think that most themes need to be unzipped in the .rockbox folder |
| 03:12:14 | sekondchakra | it won't connect to my computer while in rockbox mode? |
| 03:13:00 | tychver | it will via usb |
| 03:13:04 | tychver | but not via firewire |
| 03:13:10 | sekondchakra | ah..... |
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| 03:20:45 | sekondchakra | hey, is there a consensus on what the best non-apple ipod-like player is....? |
| 03:20:56 | sekondchakra | i'd love to have something that plays ogg's native... |
| 03:22:22 | tychver | iAudio X5 |
| 03:22:25 | tychver | probably |
| 03:22:28 | tychver | I don't really know |
| 03:22:33 | tychver | but that's what I would like |
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| 03:24:35 | sekondchakra | you know...i think that's the exact one i spotted on amazon.... |
| 03:29:41 | sekondchakra | thanks to everyone who held my hand today... i would NOT have made as much progress as i did...! |
| 03:29:45 | sekondchakra | :-D |
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| 03:35:28 | tychver | no problem |
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| 05:05:40 | Nimdae | i found a bit of a flaw with the pause on headphone unplug and play on replug combined with car mode |
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| 05:05:52 | Nimdae | they aren't self aware or aware of each other |
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| 05:06:15 | Nimdae | it's not a major flaw, but it took me by surprise earlier, heh |
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| 05:09:07 | Nimdae | pretty quiet in here |
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| 05:39:52 | Gnelik | Good morning Dan |
| 05:39:53 | Gnelik | ! |
| 05:40:02 | Gnelik | And all others to! |
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| 05:59:53 | habana | Gnelik: would you please send me your latest fwfor sansa so i could find motivation to retry to compile ? |
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| 06:02:30 | Gnelik | habana: sory but my internet chanel speed is very low |
| 06:02:50 | Gnelik | it will send fw for a half a day |
| 06:04:08 | habana | Gnelik: ok, dont waste your connexion.i continue to try to correct during the week end :) |
| 06:04:45 | habana | latest one was so promising !!! |
| 06:05:47 | habana | time for me to go count sheeps, bye |
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| 06:58:23 | amattas | Is there any builds, daily or unsupported that will work on the 2G nano? |
| 06:58:56 | tychver | no |
| 06:59:41 | tychver | the 2G nano has significantly different hardware than the 1G nano |
| 06:59:50 | tychver | it's pretty much porting to a whole new player |
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| 07:00:31 | amattas | was the 5G in the same boat originally, or is this the first time apple really has done this? |
| 07:02:20 | tychver | the 5G isn't that much different from the 4G essentially, they use the same CPU |
| 07:02:35 | tychver | with the 2G nano apple has changed pretty much everything |
| 07:03:27 | squisch | tychver: they dont...same brand and type, but not same cpu |
| 07:04:20 | tychver | my apologies :$ |
| 07:05:34 | squisch | but, yes...the new nano is more different than any other ipod |
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| 07:07:43 | amattas | so I'm assuming the CPU has completely different system calls, etc? |
| 07:08:34 | squisch | well, it is still ARM |
| 07:08:44 | squisch | but it isnt just the CPU that is the issue |
| 07:09:05 | squisch | lets just say that it will be a while before we will see rockbox on that device ;) |
| 07:09:28 | BHSPitMonkey | rockbox for |
| 07:09:31 | BHSPitMonkey | Wii! |
| 07:09:53 | squisch | shoo |
| 07:11:14 | tychver | that's almost as bad as rockbox on a PS3 |
| 07:12:49 | tychver | btw does ipodlinux support the 2nd core on the ipod 5th generation? |
| 07:13:01 | squisch | ask them |
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| 07:47:15 | tychver | they don't seem to mention doing so on their website so I take it they don't |
| 07:47:24 | BHSPitMonkey | who is Daniel? |
| 07:47:34 | BHSPitMonkey | of daniel.haxx.se |
| 07:47:47 | * | BHSPitMonkey guesses Bagder |
| 07:47:56 | squisch | correct |
| 07:51:43 | BHSPitMonkey | weird |
| 07:51:54 | BHSPitMonkey | I saw his site referenced in an argument earlier, in a completely unrelated channel |
| 07:52:08 | BHSPitMonkey | worlds cross over so often here on IRC |
| 07:53:03 | squisch | ehat was it about? |
| 07:53:07 | squisch | curl? |
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| 09:52:31 | * | Bagder has his fingers in many projects |
| 09:53:37 | squisch | of course! |
| 09:53:53 | squisch | toes too IIRC |
| 09:53:59 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 09:54:22 | Bagder | zagor got a follow-up letter regarding the Tetris issue |
| 09:54:28 | squisch | oh? |
| 09:54:29 | squisch | do tell |
| 09:54:32 | Bagder | from the swedish law firm that wrote him before |
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| 09:55:46 | Bagder | nothing new, just a sign that they haven't yet completely dropped the subject |
| 09:56:30 | squisch | but their subject doesnt even apply, as we changed the name, correct? |
| 09:56:45 | Bagder | yeah, but they claim "copyright" of the actual game play too |
| 09:56:55 | squisch | oh wow... |
| 09:56:57 | Bagder | which is complete bogus |
| 09:57:31 | squisch | well, in that case, they have enough people to go after to last them a looong time |
| 09:59:00 | Bagder | yes indeed |
| 09:59:17 | Bagder | but I guess this firm just sucks Tetris LLC for money as much as they can and then they have to do something for it |
| 09:59:31 | squisch | sounds like it |
| 09:59:40 | Bagder | so they mail weirdly put mails trying to threat us |
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| 10:00:11 | squisch | people these days... |
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| 10:03:00 | Bagder | http://giant.haxx.se/~bjst/tetris/ |
| 10:03:38 | squisch | wow...how do you know what will happen in 2009? |
| 10:04:00 | Bagder | magic powers! |
| 10:08:04 | squisch | well, at least they acknowledged that we changed the name =) |
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| 10:10:07 | Bagder | I honestly believe their idea is a kind of scam |
| 10:10:19 | Bagder | they threat us and hope we will sign the form |
| 10:10:26 | Bagder | as then it'd be a contract we'd need to follow |
| 10:11:37 | squisch | of course |
| 10:12:04 | squisch | that is how those companies work...unless they have the backing like microsoft does to actually go after someone |
| 10:12:26 | squisch | among other things... |
| 10:16:19 | rasher | Bagder: Nevermind that you could sign that paper, and someone else could take over hosting rockbox.org. |
| 10:16:20 | BHSPitMonkey | so you know |
| 10:16:24 | BHSPitMonkey | it was about the history of IRC |
| 10:16:31 | Bagder | rasher: very true |
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| 10:17:18 | rasher | Of course that'd be absolutely stupid, but it just shows how much they don't Get It |
| 10:17:50 | squisch | it is absolutely stupid anyway |
| 10:18:22 | rasher | Yeah, but that form really doesn't say much. |
| 10:18:41 | rasher | I'd have expected it to basically be a "I ow you one hundred million dollars" contract. |
| 10:19:10 | rasher | It mostly just says "stop calling it tetrox and stop infringing on our precious copyright!" |
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| 10:35:48 | n1s | rasher: Did your Tagcache->Database patch face resistance or why wasn't it committed? |
| 10:37:50 | rasher | I just think noone said "Go!" |
| 10:37:55 | n1s | Go! |
| 10:38:22 | rasher | I'll see if it's still up to date |
| 10:38:35 | * | Bagder says Go too |
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| 10:39:14 | rasher | Do I need to take special care when editing english.lang? |
| 10:39:35 | Bagder | I don't think so. Just don't change any IDs |
| 10:39:51 | rasher | I didn't |
| 10:40:03 | rasher | Right, here we go I guess |
| 10:40:20 | * | Bagder embraces and prepares for impact |
| 10:40:27 | rasher | Hrm, let me just check the diff once more to make sure I didn't do anything stupid |
| 10:41:47 | markun | Bagder: rockbox runs on my gigabeat! Still a lot to be fixed, but really nice already |
| 10:41:58 | n1s | gongrats |
| 10:41:58 | Bagder | grrrreat! |
| 10:42:05 | markun | No sound of course |
| 10:42:05 | n1s | congrats even |
| 10:42:12 | Bagder | time to add sansa and gigabeats dailies soon |
| 10:42:53 | markun | Bagder: we have our own cvs server, but after some cleanup we I will port it back to the main tree. |
| 10:42:54 | rasher | Now I'm sure I left some bits out. If you spot any tag cache bits, particularly in the manual, go for the kill. |
| 10:43:05 | n1s | sure |
| 10:43:11 | Bagder | markun: cool |
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| 10:43:48 | * | petur notices the rockblox follow-up happened 2009-09-29 :) |
| 10:44:11 | Bagder | we are the future, didn't you know? |
| 10:44:26 | petur | not that much, no? :p |
| 10:44:33 | * | squisch notices that petur didnt see that i already commented on that |
| 10:44:53 | rasher | I intend to commit the blackjack game in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5664 later today. Any objections? |
| 10:45:27 | * | petur just woke up |
| 10:45:47 | rasher | n1s: I like the idea of the font loading failed splash |
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| 10:45:52 | petur | and being not a coffee drinker, it will take till noon to boot my brain |
| 10:46:19 | petur | bbl |
| 10:46:19 | rasher | bluebrother: Keep an eye open for tag cache references in the manual, I just renamed it to Database |
| 10:46:22 | n1s | rasher: thx, any ideas on making it nicer maybe? |
| 10:48:59 | rasher | n1s: Looks fine. Negative numbers are usually used for errors in Rockbox, but other than that |
| 10:49:27 | n1s | ok |
| 10:49:50 | amiconn | squisch: New nick, eh? |
| 10:50:21 | squisch | amiconn: for the moment...going undercover..shhh or you will expose me! |
| 10:50:50 | Bagder | we're sending squisch over to the Tetris camp, this is his new name |
| 10:50:59 | * | Bagder grins |
| 10:51:02 | rasher | Is there no link to rockbox.org/tracker/ (front page, that is) from the page showing a specific task, or am I simply blind? |
| 10:52:03 | rasher | Oops, forgot to mention in the commit message that people will have to rebuild their database |
| 10:52:33 | rasher | (since I changed the name of the files on disk) |
| 10:52:54 | * | squisch becomes brainwashed by the music |
| 10:53:46 | squisch | C&D rockbox.... |
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| 10:57:28 | * | rasher awaits a rush of "It says Database not ready!" |
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| 11:00:07 | rasher | pixelma: Are you happy with the changes to the Blackjack plugin? I see you discussed it with the author |
| 11:01:28 | pixelma | I didn't try the latest version so far but looked at the preview he posted... it was definitely nicer |
| 11:03:42 | rasher | Now I'm struggling with finding and changing all references to "tag cache" in the wiki |
| 11:03:46 | rasher | This'll take some time |
| 11:04:35 | pixelma | what about the question he aroused with renaming the soliaire_*.bmp references to card_*.bmp? |
| 11:05:22 | pixelma | renaming files too of course ;) |
| 11:05:41 | rasher | I'd say that can be done later (SVN!) |
| 11:05:55 | *** | No seen item changed, no save performed. |
| 11:05:56 | rasher | (not that it matters much for binary files) |
| 11:06:54 | pixelma | yes... but it could help someone who wants to port another card game using the same deck |
| 11:08:14 | petur | I'm all for renaming them, seems the only sensible thing to do |
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| 11:08:52 | rasher | I'll do that as well |
| 11:09:07 | leftright | rasher, section 4 of the H12/140 online manual refers to tag cache |
| 11:09:58 | amiconn | Doesn't rename effectively put the old file into the Attic? |
| 11:10:15 | leftright | chapater 4.2 to be precise |
| 11:10:19 | amiconn | If so, it wouldn't be wise to do it in cvs, as those binary files are rather large |
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| 11:11:04 | tucoz | yo! |
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| 11:11:23 | amiconn | svn...... |
| 11:11:29 | leftright | err, from 4.2 until 4.2.4 mentions Tag Cache |
| 11:11:50 | n1s | leftright on the site? |
| 11:11:58 | rasher | leftright: Thanks |
| 11:12:02 | leftright | yes the online manual |
| 11:12:09 | rasher | That's not rebuilt |
| 11:12:24 | rasher | Only once a day |
| 11:13:05 | rasher | Now, what to call the TagCache wikipage.. |
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| 11:13:30 | tucoz | TagDatabase? |
| 11:13:38 | rasher | Yeah |
| 11:13:41 | rasher | Sounds good |
| 11:14:04 | rasher | I've left a mention of TagCache on the page, to aid searchers |
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| 11:14:59 | rasher | Or maybe just DataBase |
| 11:15:18 | rasher | Ah, I'm not allowed to move the page |
| 11:15:33 | squisch | not just database please =) |
| 11:15:43 | leftright | MusicDatabase |
| 11:15:56 | amiconn | It's not only music |
| 11:16:06 | tucoz | Ah, how nice. Fileview -> Database :) |
| 11:16:11 | tucoz | much better |
| 11:16:35 | rasher | It was really silly how you had to enable "tag cache", and then change view to "ID3 Database" :\ |
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| 11:17:01 | leftright | I thought that tag cache only indexed music files, guess i'm wrong |
| 11:17:18 | tucoz | rasher: hehe. yeah |
| 11:17:19 | rasher | Well, you can have audiobooks, sound effects |
| 11:17:25 | Genre9mp3 | tagcache is now dead... long live datavase... |
| 11:17:30 | Genre9mp3 | database |
| 11:17:44 | squisch | AudioDatabase possibly? |
| 11:17:48 | leftright | yes tag cache -> ID3 database wasn't very intuitive |
| 11:18:23 | rasher | squisch: I like that better than Tag |
| 11:18:27 | Genre9mp3 | I liked the name... by this is just me.. |
| 11:18:37 | Genre9mp3 | by = but |
| 11:18:41 | rasher | But anyway, I'm not allowed to move the page, so that's irrelevant |
| 11:18:43 | Genre9mp3 | (just woke up) |
| 11:18:48 | leftright | database is good, better than tag cache |
| 11:19:05 | Genre9mp3 | I'll get used to it I guess |
| 11:19:14 | squisch | AuralDatabase ;) |
| 11:19:29 | leftright | ; indeed |
| 11:19:35 | jhMikeS | Datavase was kinda cool :) |
| 11:20:29 | leftright | OralDatabase, does Aural exist ? |
| 11:20:51 | squisch | oral?...different sense there |
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| 11:21:05 | squisch | well, oral isnt even a sense |
| 11:21:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, just wondering if it would be possible to put VBR in ram even when we execute from flash |
| 11:21:33 | rasher | amiconn: Does this make sense: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox#Build_your_own - the bit about disabling tagcache? |
| 11:21:40 | amiconn | Slasheri: We do that on archos |
| 11:21:41 | squisch | leftright: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aural |
| 11:21:54 | leftright | ) |
| 11:22:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, nice! then that would make things much more simple |
| 11:22:06 | amiconn | Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to "steal" vectors from within plugins |
| 11:22:12 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: heh... don't ever let me name things when I wake up :) |
| 11:22:13 | Slasheri | probably crt0 needs to be modified somehow |
| 11:22:30 | squisch | rasher: heh...i just put that together quickly after the patch and was meaning to clarify if it needed to be |
| 11:22:45 | amiconn | I know this is rather hackish, but we need that in wavplay and alpine_cdc |
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| 11:23:20 | rasher | squisch: Tagcache (still the internal name) isn't built on archos is it? |
| 11:23:23 | rasher | (anymore) |
| 11:23:26 | squisch | it is |
| 11:23:31 | squisch | i only added the define |
| 11:23:37 | Slasheri | so then there wouldn't be the restriction that rom image needs to be placed excactly at the 1MB boundary |
| 11:23:51 | squisch | as commenting that out in the build is not a wanted thing |
| 11:24:11 | squisch | s/build/cvs version |
| 11:24:27 | JdGordon | so TC is now still tagcache throughout the code by database in public? |
| 11:24:35 | rasher | JdGordon: Correct |
| 11:25:15 | rasher | I don't think that's a problem, "database" is too ambiguous when talking code, but just right for the UI |
| 11:25:38 | amiconn | Slasheri: Check how rom.lds handles it. Vectors are part of the datacopy, so crt0.S copies them into RAM |
| 11:25:47 | Slasheri | database is nice, tagdatabase sounds like the old tagdb.. |
| 11:26:37 | amiconn | And tagdatabase would be imprecise, as it does not just store tags |
| 11:26:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: but in iriver crt0 there is move.l #vectors,%d0 movec.l %d0,%vbr |
| 11:27:03 | Slasheri | so that sets the flash address only? |
| 11:27:31 | squisch | having just database seems too ambiguous to me though |
| 11:28:31 | rasher | I don't see it. What else would it be a database of, if not the sound files? |
| 11:28:59 | amiconn | Slasheri: No, why? |
| 11:29:00 | Slasheri | rasher: runtime stats for example |
| 11:29:10 | Slasheri | ah, hmm :) |
| 11:29:12 | leftright | database is just fine for opd users |
| 11:29:20 | leftright | opd=ipod |
| 11:29:21 | rasher | Slasheri: Do users really think about that? |
| 11:29:31 | rasher | Most users, anyway |
| 11:29:45 | rasher | And if they do, they'll be smart enough to Get It, I assume |
| 11:29:58 | squisch | i think users would be more inclined to just not know what this database thing could be |
| 11:30:10 | squisch | rasher: dont overestimate them ;) |
| 11:30:18 | leftright | precisely |
| 11:30:29 | squisch | and users like catchy names... |
| 11:30:53 | rasher | squisch: I mean, if a user is smart enough to think about where runtime stats are stored, I would expect them to also be smart enough to guess a bit |
| 11:31:08 | leftright | Archos 202 uses database |
| 11:31:12 | squisch | what i am saying has nothing to do with runtime stats |
| 11:31:47 | amiconn | gcc 4.1.1 + binutils 2.17 for m68k don't have that build problem on cygwin anymore |
| 11:32:07 | amiconn | Probably also applies to osx and interix |
| 11:32:18 | squisch | leftright: just database, or does it have an accompying icon? |
| 11:32:33 | leftright | it has an icon |
| 11:32:46 | bluebrother | morning guys |
| 11:33:20 | bluebrother | how about allowing the database view to browse the filetree and restrict the filetypes to a couple of defined extensions? |
| 11:33:28 | squisch | aye...so it has something else to identify it by as "database" is very ambiguous |
| 11:33:42 | rasher | squisch: I say we give it a wait-see |
| 11:34:00 | rasher | I really don't think it's any kind of problem |
| 11:34:28 | squisch | i dont either...i just like to get things done the first time and not have to go through multiple changes if possible |
| 11:34:56 | * | jhMikeS remembers naming discussed at length about a month ago. guess no consensus. |
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| 11:35:15 | tucoz | Is it possible to exclude directories when using dircache? I am mainly thinking of the hvsc collection. |
| 11:35:19 | rasher | Consensus is a dream when this many people are discussing something so subjective |
| 11:35:22 | squisch | jhMikeS: is there ever one? =P |
| 11:35:24 | amiconn | Bah, libssp :( |
| 11:35:40 | rasher | I think the best we can hope for is "no one left the project as a result" |
| 11:35:40 | tucoz | Last time i tried, dircache didn't work when i had that dir on the player. |
| 11:36:26 | squisch | tucoz: i dont believe so, but we have Slasheri around to confirm |
| 11:36:53 | Slasheri | that feature is not implemented yet.. |
| 11:37:07 | tucoz | Ok,. thanks |
| 11:37:13 | n1s | with hvsc+dircache bootup on my h300 takes about 10 seconds longer :-) |
| 11:37:15 | Slasheri | with dircache it would be a really problem how to exclude something |
| 11:37:49 | tucoz | still it would be a nice feature. to exclude random junk that i keep on the player for instance. |
| 11:38:00 | Slasheri | we could just simply exclude some directory completely, but then rockbox would think such a directory would not even exist |
| 11:38:08 | tucoz | aha |
| 11:38:44 | Slasheri | so you could no longer access hvsc inside rockbox, and that might not be a good thing |
| 11:38:59 | amiconn | What was the problem with hvsc? |
| 11:39:10 | tucoz | i understand. |
| 11:39:10 | rasher | Thousands of thousands of files |
| 11:39:11 | jhMikeS | could throw small files with a certain name with directives in each directory that needs special handling |
| 11:39:15 | Slasheri | or then it would be necessary for dircache to know what dirs are cached and which are not |
| 11:39:54 | amiconn | Why would a dir with many files make dircache fail? |
| 11:39:59 | squisch | jhMikeS: i am not a fan of "littering" directories with files |
| 11:40:04 | amiconn | That sounds like a bug |
| 11:40:13 | rasher | Who's the author of the "Itunes db to tagcache" tool? |
| 11:40:37 | Slasheri | dircache should not "fail" but it might hit the hard coded memory limit |
| 11:40:55 | Slasheri | so after that dircache is automatically disabled |
| 11:41:09 | squisch | rasher: hcs i think...not sure |
| 11:41:21 | jhMikeS | squisch: wouldn't be my first choice either unless it's really needed or offers some substantial benefit. |
| 11:42:28 | squisch | rasher: yes...it looks like him from http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060927.txt |
| 11:42:30 | rasher | squisch: You're right |
| 11:42:50 | rasher | The page was edited by AdamGashlin, which the nick reference confirms is hcs |
| 11:43:14 | rasher | Who's the twiki admin? |
| 11:43:38 | petur | bagder/linusn/zagor |
| 11:43:50 | rasher | Let's see if one of them shows up |
| 11:44:14 | squisch | i think Bagder is active...at least he was a little bit ago |
| 11:44:35 | tucoz | hmm. i think this guy got something wrong. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7467.msg58579#msg58579 |
| 11:44:39 | rasher | I think most of what's needed now to complete the move is to move the TagCache page to some other name |
| 11:44:57 | squisch | tucoz: hehe |
| 11:44:58 | tucoz | i wonder where it says that fwpatcher.exe is a zip file. |
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| 11:47:14 | petur | maybe he thought it was an sfx |
| 11:47:36 | tucoz | probably |
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| 11:48:17 | tyrion | morning people |
| 11:50:32 | tucoz | morning |
| 11:51:08 | | Nick squisch is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 11:51:42 | tychver | it's only morning in some places |
| 11:52:17 | JdGordon | yup.. those places are all living in the past! |
| 11:52:17 | scorche | news to me... |
| 11:53:08 | petur | is it frowned upon to reuse LANG strings (like LANG_RECORDING_SIZE) in other places because the string is what you need? It's ugly but saves on LANG and VOICE size... |
| 11:53:39 | rasher | I don't see why. As long as you're pretty sure that the string won't change to something that no longer makes sense |
| 11:53:49 | rasher | But I'm not authority on the subject |
| 11:55:27 | * | petur discovers identical strings: LANG_SHOW_PATH_FULL and LANG_DISPLAY_FULL_PATH |
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| 11:56:14 | jhMikeS | Why shouldn't lang files excluded a string if there's no matching target in the "<target>:" bit? I know the ids (indexed) have to always be the same but it could just use a zero-length string (""). I noticed it complains if there's no target match. |
| 11:59:05 | petur | LANG ids should be more genericly named when they contain generic strings... |
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| 12:00:33 | jhMikeS | petur: There's duplication of the string "Normal" too. |
| 12:02:38 | jhMikeS | it was my doing for the backlight on hold option :\ |
| 12:03:38 | * | petur is adding a file/dir properties screen to the browser context menu |
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| 12:05:03 | * | XavierGr dances the new-feature-from-petur dance :P |
| 12:05:08 | tucoz | petur: nice. |
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| 12:05:18 | TnadeN | Hi |
| 12:05:20 | n1s | petur, I think there's a plugin in the tracker for that |
| 12:05:24 | TnadeN | i need some help |
| 12:05:25 | petur | I know |
| 12:05:33 | markun | TnadeN: what's the problem |
| 12:06:02 | TnadeN | how do i forefully restrat my ipod mini (with rockbox) |
| 12:06:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: if you get a chance in the next fw days,. could you please check out the rtc settings code in the menu/settins patch? I rekon thats the last thing holding it back from commit |
| 12:06:13 | scorche | same way you do with apple os |
| 12:06:16 | TnadeN | restart* |
| 12:06:17 | scorche | menu+select |
| 12:06:18 | petur | n1s: I didn't like the way it was implemented, and I didn't want it in a plugin. Mine will do recursive dir info :) |
| 12:06:24 | JdGordon | ... or anyone with a rtc_ram -able target |
| 12:06:31 | TnadeN | thx |
| 12:06:44 | TnadeN | it has forzen a lot lately |
| 12:06:51 | TnadeN | like 2 times a week :S |
| 12:06:54 | tyrion | i have a maye who just Got (this week) a H320 and get me one too. His last MP3 player was a Rio Karma and he is very interested in implementing a similar filebrowsing UI. Does anyone know if anything has been done in this respect? |
| 12:06:56 | petur | winter is coming :) |
| 12:06:56 | scorche | is it a 1st gen? |
| 12:07:07 | TnadeN | 2:d i think |
| 12:07:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: The ata idle notify code has problems.... |
| 12:07:20 | JdGordon | it does? |
| 12:07:20 | TnadeN | has the harddisk size on the back |
| 12:07:24 | XavierGr | petur: just wondering, is there any progress with USB OTG? |
| 12:07:28 | JdGordon | tyrion: thats the stabdard rockbox interface |
| 12:07:30 | amiconn | Yes, at least on archos |
| 12:07:44 | JdGordon | what sort of problems? |
| 12:07:45 | amiconn | For some reason it might fall into a loop |
| 12:07:56 | tyrion | JdGordon: no, no, that is using ID3 tags |
| 12:08:03 | amiconn | ...calling the callback every few seconds and never spinning down the disk |
| 12:08:03 | n1s | petur: I think it was put in a plugin to save on code space, but if you make it really small.... :-) |
| 12:08:04 | JdGordon | tyrion: wanna bet? |
| 12:08:16 | * | scorche notices the time and goes to sleep |
| 12:08:30 | amiconn | I have an idea how to fix that, but don't know yet whether it might work |
| 12:08:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: hmm... odd.. sholdnt that behaviour be on all or none of he targets? |
| 12:08:41 | tyrion | JdGordon: well no. :) but is it not either the file browser or the Tag Cache option? |
| 12:08:48 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:08:56 | * | JdGordon may have been confused by you emsages |
| 12:09:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: It's a bit strange. I only observed it once on my recorder, however, pixelma observes it regularly on her Ondio |
| 12:09:44 | petur | XavierGr: not much. I got stuck with being unable to detect device connection (driver says 'waiting for v_rise'), maybe there's something about how the chargepump is connected that we don't know. Also the ID sensing is not standard so maybe we don't know everything there too. Could use a confirmation from PCB traces of VBUS and ID on the mini-usb connector |
| 12:09:46 | JdGordon | does odio use ata.c? |
| 12:10:29 | amiconn | I think it happens when the thread that registered a callback re-registers before the re-triggered (due to the callbacks causing ata activity) timeout expires |
| 12:10:31 | XavierGr | petur: ok, thanks |
| 12:10:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, ata_mmc.c |
| 12:10:52 | amiconn | I have an Ondio myself, and didn't observe such behaviour... |
| 12:10:53 | petur | XavierGr: and apart from that, the code is a mess :) |
| 12:11:00 | JdGordon | firstly, ondio doesnt have the hdd, so whats i not spining down? |
| 12:11:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: am I asking something about lang v2 that I really should know better about by now or does noone know what the heck I'm saying? |
| 12:11:22 | JdGordon | If thats the reason, we can lock the register funciotn when its runnig the callbacks |
| 12:11:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: Of course there is no disk spinning, but the callbacks are called every few seconds |
| 12:12:22 | TnadeN | oh, yeah i have another question. Can you set a new default configuration ( so that i dont have to swich to mine everythime i reboot/connect it to a computer? |
| 12:12:37 | amiconn | ...but they should only be called when there is other (non-callback) disk activity to (1) resemble other target's behaviour, (2) reduce flash wear and (3) save battery power |
| 12:13:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: That won't help, and the callers might fall out of callback registration altogether |
| 12:13:37 | JdGordon | TIME_BEFORE(ab) means a < b ? |
| 12:13:51 | amiconn | I have an idea how this could be fixed, but I'm not sure whether it will work |
| 12:14:09 | JdGordon | the default case in mmc_thread looks odd and could be the problem |
| 12:14:33 | JdGordon | .. or maybe not... |
| 12:15:49 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 12:16:17 | amiconn | But my idea might in fact work well: we need to ensure that the callbacks are only ever called once in a disk activity period |
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| 12:16:50 | amiconn | In order to be called again, the disk must have been spun down before |
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| 12:17:45 | XavierGr | Maybe what I am saying is completely wrong, but that reminds me how batterybench works |
| 12:17:50 | JdGordon | so only call the callbcks before sleeping? not dgin idle time? |
| 12:18:11 | amiconn | This would also avoid the multiple-rebuffer-retrigger loop that might happen with the rebuffer-due-to-callback extension |
| 12:18:41 | amiconn | ..so we could even enable it for archos |
| 12:18:46 | amiconn | ..if wanted |
| 12:19:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not before sleeping, but after being idle for a few seconds (2..3), and then set a flag that the callbacks have been called |
| 12:19:44 | amiconn | The flag would be reset after spindown |
| 12:20:03 | amiconn | As long as the flag is set, the callbacks wouldn't be called at all |
| 12:20:18 | JdGordon | so each spin the callbcks are caled maximum twice? |
| 12:20:25 | amiconn | No, once |
| 12:20:43 | JdGordon | twice.. once during idle, and then before shuttind down.. no? |
| 12:20:53 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 12:21:04 | * | jhMikeS is just wondering the proper way to go about eliminating entirely unneeded strings for certain targets |
| 12:21:22 | JdGordon | so your unsetting the flag aftr shutting down? |
| 12:21:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:21:32 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I think you use deprecated |
| 12:22:28 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: That works for eliminating string for say, archos that are only relevant to targets with SWCODEC and HAVE_RECORDING for instance? |
| 12:22:42 | amiconn | nope |
| 12:22:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, there must be something wrong with my rom.lds because now i can't get the rom image to boot :) I have placed it at 0x100028 in flash, and reset vector starting at 0x100032 |
| 12:22:49 | amiconn | YOu need to set the string to empty |
| 12:22:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: i guess that would work, im not sure if it gives enough chance for callbacks to work properly... i dunno |
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| 12:23:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: and if someone has hard disk idle spindown off then the callbacks would onl ever be called once |
| 12:24:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: not sure why it can't generate an empty string if no target matches then. would save some work. |
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| 12:25:15 | amiconn | JdGordon: This option doesn't exist |
| 12:25:20 | JdGordon | doesnt it? |
| 12:25:25 | * | JdGordon thought it did |
| 12:25:26 | amiconn | nope |
| 12:25:43 | JdGordon | alrighty then |
| 12:25:45 | amiconn | You can set spindown timeout from 3 to 254 seconds |
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| 12:29:57 | amiconn | I probably have a slightly better idea now |
| 12:30:09 | JdGordon | back in 15 |
| 12:33:36 | n1s | how would I strip trailing whitespace in a file using vim? |
| 12:34:00 | rasher | :%s/ *$// perhaps? |
| 12:34:52 | rasher | :%s/ +$//, rather |
| 12:36:06 | n1s | nope... |
| 12:36:52 | jhMikeS | too bad there's no feature oriented way to include strings like code is selected...hrm |
| 12:37:12 | amiconn | There is a patch for that made by Bagder |
| 12:37:16 | amiconn | It needs testing |
| 12:37:55 | dan_a | rasher: I think :%s/^(.*[^ ]) $/\1/ should do it |
| 12:38:35 | jhMikeS | really? it's up in flyspray? I can test it out since it's about time for it. |
| 12:38:41 | dan_a | Sorry, :%s/^(.*[^ ]) *$/\1/ |
| 12:39:19 | rasher | dan_a: Are you sure? That looks a bit off to me. Won't that change "foo bar " to "foo"? |
| 12:39:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, somewhere on Bagder's site |
| 12:39:34 | amiconn | I'll try to find the link... |
| 12:39:39 | rasher | dan_a: and not match " foo" at all? |
| 12:39:46 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features-2.patch |
| 12:40:12 | rasher | Bagder: Do you have time to move a wikipage? (I don't seem to have the necessary permissions) |
| 12:40:29 | Bagder | that patch needs a features.txt file with the features |
| 12:40:40 | Bagder | rasher: sure, tagcache? |
| 12:41:09 | rasher | Bagder: YEah, but now I'm unsure what to. There's been AudioDatabase TagDatabase DataBase RockboxDatabase |
| 12:42:18 | Slasheri | i would suggest Database |
| 12:42:31 | rasher | That's not a WikiWord though |
| 12:42:38 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 12:42:38 | rasher | won't autolink |
| 12:43:31 | rasher | Of course, we could still use it and just force people to use [[Database][Database]] |
| 12:43:32 | dan_a | rasher: I don't think so, the ".*" will include spaces (and be greedy, matching as much as it can), the [^ ] makes sure that the last character in the match isn't a space, and then outside the placemarker it matches any number of spaces |
| 12:44:15 | rasher | dan_a: Ah right.. won't my suggestion work though? It seems rather a lot simpler |
| 12:44:15 | Bagder | I think I'd rather see it called DataBase than Database just to get it wikified |
| 12:44:52 | rasher | DataBase is my favourite |
| 12:45:06 | dan_a | rasher: I don't see why it shouldn't but I guessed you'd tried it and it hadn't worked |
| 12:45:46 | rasher | Ah, no. I was just guessing, n1s said it didn't work |
| 12:45:57 | n1s | and it didn't |
| 12:46:04 | rasher | I don't understand why it wouldn't, unless the whitespace isn't a space |
| 12:46:09 | n1s | but maybe I did something wrong |
| 12:46:47 | rasher | Ah, I think you need to escape the + |
| 12:46:55 | rasher | :%s/ \+$// |
| 12:46:57 | dan_a | So you could make it :%s/[ \t]*$// |
| 12:47:39 | rasher | That one I just said worked, just tested |
| 12:48:33 | n1s | yes it did thanks rasher |
| 12:49:13 | dan_a | Bagder: Have you any thoughts on MrH's suggestion of rewriting the bootloader portion of crt0-pp? |
| 12:49:43 | Bagder | can't say I do, I haven't paid enough attention on those details |
| 12:49:50 | * | petur wonders if LANG_SYSFONT strings can be used in normal screens |
| 12:50:22 | * | Bagder renamed TagCache to DataBase |
| 12:50:32 | * | Bagder runs off again |
| 12:50:41 | rasher | Excellent |
| 12:51:00 | n1s | petur, that would be bad for translations |
| 12:51:28 | amiconn | hrrrm |
| 12:51:53 | amiconn | m68k binutils 2.17 don't like rockbox :( |
| 12:52:12 | amiconn | Assembler messages: |
| 12:52:12 | amiconn | Error: already selected `5206e' processor |
| 12:52:12 | amiconn | Error: unrecognized option -m5249 |
| 12:53:35 | n1s | I think they changed the parameter format or something |
| 12:54:23 | amiconn | Two things changed |
| 12:54:48 | amiconn | (1) m68k-elf-as wants the cpu type in the form -mcpu=5249 |
| 12:55:10 | amiconn | (2) gcc already passes a cpu type to as, and the two conflict |
| 12:58:31 | * | JdGordon back |
| 12:58:35 | jhMikeS | hmmm...only around 750 strings including voiced only :P np |
| 12:59:47 | amiconn | Wow... it seems m68k-elf-gcc supports coldfire emac :) |
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| 13:00:13 | rasher | amiconn: Are you cool with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6358 - the filename checking patch I made? |
| 13:00:24 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, now it says immediately I03:AddrErr.. not sure if rombox or bootloader says that |
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| 13:01:09 | rasher | (I'm a bit nervous about committing anything to something as central as fat.c) |
| 13:01:17 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that means it uses emac instuctions when it can when compiling normal c code I take it? |
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| 13:01:48 | amiconn | -m[no-]mac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension |
| 13:01:48 | amiconn | -m[no-]emac enable/disable ColdFire architecture extension |
| 13:01:59 | amiconn | This is from m68k-elf-gcc −−target-help |
| 13:03:05 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like this is what m68k-elf-as tells... |
| 13:03:09 | amiconn | :confused: |
| 13:04:20 | amiconn | Bah, "warning: pointer targets in passing argument X of 'foobar' differ in signedness" |
| 13:04:24 | amiconn | Tons of those |
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| 13:06:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: you had a simpler idea than the lock? |
| 13:06:11 | jhMikeS | it's pedantic by default now? :) not suprised cause I see int/size_t mixed in pointer passing |
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| 13:06:44 | jhMikeS | maybe that's not it...dunno |
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| 13:08:57 | JdGordon | amiconn: i dont know how you wantle handle the unlocking in ata_mmc? ata.c is easy |
| 13:12:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: something like http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdgordy/ata.patch ? |
| 13:13:01 | jhMikeS | there's mixing of unsigned char * and char * for string arguments. just sitting here guessing at where the most trouble would be. |
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| 13:14:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, no plain lock anymore |
| 13:15:03 | JdGordon | you want a more coplicated lock? |
| 13:15:07 | amiconn | A lock might indeed be a problem when there is activity that causes the disk to never spin down |
| 13:15:46 | JdGordon | also stuff like shutdown and usb wont trigger the callbacks if the lock is on |
| 13:15:49 | amiconn | I think a holdoff time (that must be longer than the idle time before triggering the callbacks) will be better |
| 13:16:10 | amiconn | Of course the holdoff time wouldn't apply before usb or shutdown |
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| 13:16:38 | amiconn | The holdoff time would automagically ensure callbacks aren't called too often |
| 13:16:46 | amiconn | I think 30 seconds would be a good value |
| 13:17:28 | amiconn | s/too often/too frequent/ |
| 13:17:31 | JdGordon | thats certainly simpler |
| 13:17:57 | JdGordon | it will need a way to be forced tho till, but ok |
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| 13:18:06 | habana | hi all |
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| 13:18:34 | amiconn | call_ata_idle_notifys() already has a parameter |
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| 13:21:30 | habana | i finally managed to install devkit (thanks to Badger's script) and make a full rockbok.zip with latest cvs |
| 13:22:30 | habana | but once uploaded on / sansa dir and rebooted, it does nothing and just boots normally on official firmware. |
| 13:22:48 | habana | any idea ? |
| 13:22:55 | dan_a | habana: Did you unzip rockbox.zip? |
| 13:23:06 | JdGordon | amiconn: same url.. |
| 13:23:07 | habana | dan_a: |
| 13:23:08 | amiconn | m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.1 is braindead :( |
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| 13:24:08 | habana | dan_a: yes and used ./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin before make as you told me |
| 13:24:12 | JdGordon | excpt that shhuold be + 30*HZ not *30*HZ |
| 13:25:29 | habana | Lao Tseu said "Il faut trouver la voie" (you have to find the way) |
| 13:26:22 | dan_a | habana: The mi4code line is for the original firmware, if you are running with the dual boot patch. I've still got some nasty hacks in that which I need to fix before I commit it. |
| 13:27:21 | habana | dan_a: ok so first mistake from me |
| 13:27:45 | dan_a | If you put PP5022.mi4 in the root of your Sansa, then the original firmware should detect it, and reboot (to OF) then tell you it is upgrading the firmware |
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| 13:28:24 | habana | dan_a : it does |
| 13:28:48 | dan_a | And then it will reboot to Rockbox |
| 13:29:24 | habana | dn_a : it desn't but i didnt apply patches onthe cvs version |
| 13:29:43 | habana | at least, i learn from mistakes :)= |
| 13:30:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: Something like that, yes, but I wouldn't use 2 parameters |
| 13:30:30 | dan_a | It says upgrading firmware, and then runs the original firmware? Are you sure you're copying the Rockbox firmware and not the Sandisk one across? |
| 13:30:39 | amiconn | There could be one enum parameter |
| 13:31:16 | JdGordon | does it really make much difference? |
| 13:31:32 | habana | so for the "pure cvs" version, i just have to 'cd rockbox-devel && mkdir build_SANSA && cd build_SANSA && ../tools/configure && make' ? |
| 13:32:18 | JdGordon | wouldnt an extra var be better than doing bitwise and's in that funtion? |
| 13:32:21 | dan_a | habana: Yes, then make fullzip, and then extract rockbox.zip into the root of your Sansa |
| 13:32:32 | JdGordon | assuming the 2 params are merged with a flags variable |
| 13:33:24 | JdGordon | amiconn: im headig out now, can I leave it wth you to commit how youd prefer it? |
| 13:33:30 | JdGordon | or ill do it tormowow |
| 13:33:33 | amiconn | Why bitwise? |
| 13:33:43 | amiconn | I think there are 3 situations |
| 13:34:00 | amiconn | Normal without spindown, normal with spindown, or forecd |
| 13:34:06 | amiconn | *forced |
| 13:34:41 | JdGordon | ok, I guess so |
| 13:34:56 | JdGordon | anyway, yeah, im off.. if nothing is cmmited by tomoow ill do it |
| 13:35:06 | JdGordon | tomorow 15hous away, not 25min |
| 13:35:25 | amiconn | Hehe, 10:25 to go here |
| 13:35:52 | amiconn | (to midnight) |
| 13:36:10 | JdGordon | ill be home in like 4 hhuos or so.. but certainly not i a mood to do any coding :p |
| 13:36:35 | Sequell | My 4g greyscale ipod crashes constantly when using rockbox... at least every 4 minutes |
| 13:36:45 | Sequell | anyone else had this problem? |
| 13:39:08 | pixelma | Sequell: have you tried to use the build that was suggested to you yesterday (and read the thread)? |
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| 13:40:36 | pixelma | (hope I didn't confuse you with someone else) |
| 13:43:14 | Sequell | I wasn't quite sure if the problem being discussed there was the one I was having (CPU scaling) |
| 13:44:24 | pixelma | if you try you could at least confirm whether it is the same or not |
| 13:45:18 | Sequell | i'll try it, then. i just copy+paste the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file over my old one, right? |
| 13:45:26 | pixelma | and IIRC those people were reporting the same symptoms as you |
| 13:45:27 | Sequell | sorry to ask such a noobly question, i'm just very careful with $400 machines |
| 13:45:57 | rasher | Correct. And by the way, there's no way you can break your Ipod, messing with Rockbox |
| 13:46:21 | rasher | The absolute worst that can happen is that you lose all data on the Ipod. |
| 13:46:38 | habana | dan_a : err ... im way too dumb. i used the official Sandisk one. merci, i'll test soon |
| 13:47:08 | dan_a | habana: hehehe - it happens to us all some days! |
| 13:47:25 | rasher | Sequell: Usual disclaimers apply, but there has not been a single case of broken Ipods due to Rockbox yet, and it's technically pretty much impossible. |
| 13:49:51 | jhMikeS | rasher: I recall _claims_ of such though :) |
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| 13:51:35 | rasher | jhMikeS: Yeah, people are quick to cry wolf |
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| 13:52:06 | webguest76 | hey can someone tell me where i can downlaod dualboot.bin because i can't find it anywhere :\ |
| 13:52:32 | habana | dan_a : wich option for the configure ? normal devel build ? |
| 13:52:51 | dan_a | habana: Just a normal build |
| 13:54:07 | webguest76 | anyone? :( |
| 13:56:57 | rasher | webguest76: What is dualboot.bin? |
| 13:57:48 | webguest76 | as far as i know it let's you choose what operating system to load on your ipod |
| 13:58:28 | dan_a | webguest76: Are you thinking of Loader2, from the iPodLinux project? |
| 13:58:43 | * | jhMikeS wonders where playback goofs on non-44100HZ AIFFs |
| 13:58:47 | webguest76 | don't know actually :) |
| 13:59:00 | webguest76 | i just want my ipod to let me choose to laod rockbox or apple os |
| 13:59:10 | webguest76 | right now it automatically loads rockbox |
| 13:59:20 | rasher | webguest76: Do you mean as in a graphical menu? Because Rockbox bootloader let's you chose by holding down a button to boot the Apple firmware |
| 13:59:39 | webguest76 | wich button? O.o |
| 13:59:45 | dan_a | menu |
| 13:59:49 | webguest76 | i tryed menu but that didn't work |
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| 14:00:21 | webguest76 | o wait hold on :) |
| 14:00:34 | webguest76 | it works if i hold play |
| 14:01:22 | rasher | The manual explains how the bootloader works |
| 14:03:01 | rasher | Or at least, it should |
| 14:03:08 | Soap | it does |
| 14:03:17 | rasher | Where, I can't find it? |
| 14:03:46 | Soap | now I need to open it? ;) |
| 14:03:47 | Soap | one sec |
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| 14:04:14 | habana | dan_a : i just obtain a message saying that "zip name not matched - zip error ,nothing to do" and there's just a .rockbox dir in rockbox.zip |
| 14:06:45 | dan_a | habana: Have you done 'make' before doing 'make zip'? |
| 14:06:52 | habana | yes |
| 14:07:16 | habana | and 'make clean' before configure |
| 14:07:26 | Bagder | then do 'make V=1 zip' |
| 14:07:35 | Bagder | to learn more details |
| 14:07:38 | habana | thx |
| 14:07:56 | Bagder | might reveal some further clues |
| 14:07:59 | Soap | or it doesn't |
| 14:08:08 | Soap | I did swear it did, and was wrong. |
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| 14:08:32 | * | Soap doesn't know how he learned to hold menu during boot. |
| 14:08:49 | webguest76 | i got the dualboot loader :) |
| 14:08:52 | webguest76 | thx everyone :) |
| 14:08:53 | webguest76 | bye now |
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| 14:10:16 | rasher | Soap: It ought to be in chapter 3.1.2 I think |
| 14:10:19 | lamed | hello guys |
| 14:11:02 | lamed | question for hebrew translation: AGC clip time: controls what? how much time it takes until the AGC decides that there has been a clip? |
| 14:11:57 | Soap | rasher: I really want to know how I learned to do that. I first downloaded rockbox when prepping for a business trip, never read the forums, and had nothing but the daily build, the manual (not even the fonts) for a month while in UAE w/o internet. |
| 14:12:14 | rasher | Soap: The wiki perhaps? |
| 14:12:28 | Soap | maybe, almost has to be doesn't it. |
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| 14:13:22 | lamed | agc help? |
| 14:15:25 | Soap | but 3.1.2 could be redone to add that. from "Turning the Player on and off" to "Booting and shutting down your modified player" |
| 14:16:37 | lamed | no player here to test: last.fm log - only one station or is it creating a long log? |
| 14:17:15 | Soap | because I think the word "boot" should be in the header, as that is the word used by most questioners. Not "how do I turn my player on into original firmware" |
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| 14:17:57 | lamed | plural or single? (last fm log) please, help, i really want to get this over with! |
| 14:17:58 | Soap | lamed: "only one station"? I don't grok. But it does create a long log of everything played since the log's creation. |
| 14:18:08 | Soap | single log. |
| 14:21:30 | lamed | tt, good answer |
| 14:22:07 | lamed | do you know what agc clip time does? was I right? |
| 14:22:32 | rasher | I'll assume so |
| 14:24:31 | lamed | hmmm. goddamn hard to translate all that mess. |
| 14:28:05 | lamed | what's making lang files? make or make install? the latter I'm guessing. |
| 14:32:33 | habana | zip V=2 zip gives : find .rockbox | xargs zip rockbox.zip >/dev/null |
| 14:32:34 | habana | zip rockbox.zip PP5022.mi4 |
| 14:32:39 | habana | zip warning: name not matched: PP5022.mi4 |
| 14:32:50 | habana | zip error: Nothing to do! (rockbox.zip) |
| 14:33:10 | Bagder | so there's no PP5022.mi4 to add |
| 14:33:17 | Bagder | which implies a failed build |
| 14:34:09 | dan_a | I think the normal build still uses mi4code, so needs that to be in the path... I'll change it to use scramble until I get dual boot a little nicer |
| 14:34:31 | Bagder | aaah |
| 14:36:07 | habana | so i do have something else to try ? |
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| 14:36:29 | Bagder | habana: yes, put the mi4code tool in your path |
| 14:36:51 | dan_a | habana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes, then do "cvs update" then try again from ../tools/configure |
| 14:36:55 | rasher | mi4code is MrH code isn't it? |
| 14:37:01 | Bagder | rasher: yes |
| 14:37:17 | rasher | Isn't this a problem? |
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| 14:38:04 | Bagder | now we don't use it |
| 14:38:37 | rasher | Ah, okay |
| 14:39:26 | * | dan_a would like an .mi4 viewer in Rockbox |
| 14:39:58 | Bagder | that would be rolo then, wouldn't it? |
| 14:40:35 | dan_a | But it means getting some mi4 decrypting routines in there... |
| 14:40:45 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:41:03 | habana | i often read "rolo" but dunno what it means ? |
| 14:41:34 | Bagder | rolo simply means loading and starting a(nother) firmware from within Rockbox itself |
| 14:41:54 | rasher | habana: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#RoLo |
| 14:41:56 | habana | thanks |
| 14:44:12 | habana | <dan_a> habana: Yes. Wait a couple of minutes =>let's go shopping |
| 14:44:31 | Bagder | just cvs update now, he already fixed it |
| 14:44:33 | dan_a | Would there be an obvious reason why checksums on the files I create with scramble -add=e200 (where e200 has a model number of 16) are always out by 4? |
| 14:46:43 | Genre9mp3 | rasher: Sorry if you were waiting for a serious post... :/ |
| 14:46:50 | Bagder | dan_a: not that I can think of |
| 14:47:16 | Bagder | checksum off by 4 sounds very weird, since even the slightest little change should make it go off more than just 4 |
| 14:47:25 | rasher | Genre9mp3: Hah :D |
| 14:48:15 | * | Bagder vanishes... |
| 14:49:16 | habana | thanks for all, no error message at "make zip" |
| 14:49:35 | dan_a | :D |
| 14:49:35 | habana | i'll test soon :) |
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| 15:04:06 | lamed | is the h10 a dual boot? if it is, how do you boot the original fw? |
| 15:04:51 | rasher | I don't believe it is |
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| 15:06:50 | Arathis | lamed: if I got it right dan_a worked on that the last days, but I'm not sure whether he got it working |
| 15:08:00 | dan_a | I've been working on it for the Sansa, which is similar to the H10. I did get it working on the Sansa, and barrywardell said he would take a look at what I'd found and see if it worked on the H10 |
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| 15:08:46 | Arathis | oh, okay. that happens when you just peak on the chat ^^ |
| 15:09:46 | HSbox | I'm sorry to ask a non-Rockbox related question, but I just couldn't find any other IRC chan populated by people with knowledge of iPods. Does anyone know of an app I can use to extract the MP4 videos from my dad's iPod Video (5g)? YamiPod can do the MP3s, but I'm not sure about MP4s. |
| 15:10:29 | daurnimator | windows or *nix? |
| 15:10:52 | HSbox | Windows XP (should have mentioned that) |
| 15:12:33 | daurnimator | can't you just google? |
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| 15:13:43 | lamed | hsbox: try ephpod. |
| 15:14:15 | lamed | arathis, dan_a, thanks. (answering questions on forums... don't own one) |
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| 15:15:38 | Soap | HSbox: anapod |
| 15:16:17 | HSbox | thanks. |
| 15:16:53 | Soap | it is commercial, but A-it kicks iTunes to the curb. B-In "trial" mode you can move one file at a time. |
| 15:17:55 | daurnimator | can someone advise on media players for windows? |
| 15:17:59 | daurnimator | or linux |
| 15:18:08 | daurnimator | i want somthing with good wavpack support |
| 15:18:11 | bluebrother | foobar2000 is quite nice |
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| 15:18:16 | Soap | amen |
| 15:18:17 | daurnimator | tag management |
| 15:18:18 | HSbox | yes, it is |
| 15:18:27 | daurnimator | bluebrother: don't like it at all |
| 15:18:34 | daurnimator | but, i'm using it now |
| 15:18:41 | HSbox | only thing it's missing is find-as-you-type like winamp has |
| 15:19:02 | daurnimator | cause.. its the only thing i can find that uses wavpack tags properly |
| 15:19:13 | daurnimator | - but, the interface is terrible IMO |
| 15:21:08 | lamed | _who_didnt_use_sysfont_strings_on_the_recording_screens_goddamit. |
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| 15:23:19 | Neekeetos | Hi ppl! |
| 15:24:06 | lamed | heya |
| 15:24:26 | Neekeetos | how r the things? |
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| 15:31:35 | bluebrother | the interface is a bit of it's own. After I got used to it I like it more than winamp. |
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| 15:33:52 | amiconn | lamed: The whole sysfont string thing is the wrong approach imho |
| 15:35:55 | petur | WRS anyone? |
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| 15:40:52 | jhMikeS | petur! |
| 15:41:00 | petur | Yo! |
| 15:41:07 | lamed | amiconn: I know, but I remind you it's just until we'll have something better. wouldn't you agree if you were not a good iso-8859-1 speaker? |
| 15:41:07 | jhMikeS | WRS? |
| 15:41:17 | petur | while recording screen? |
| 15:41:23 | jhMikeS | yes, but petur! |
| 15:41:26 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 15:42:46 | jhMikeS | long as it's light on CPU |
| 15:42:56 | petur | indeed |
| 15:43:59 | petur | can one use get_action with timeout 0 to just sense if a key was pressed (while doing things)? |
| 15:45:34 | jhMikeS | that whole thing needs labeling for audio formats so the indexes aren't relevant. should use the id label to pair bitmaps with formats. id like to be able to keep them sorted into sensible order and not worry about that. |
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| 15:50:50 | jhMikeS | petur: it looks to be ok |
| 15:51:10 | petur | gonna try then |
| 15:51:16 | jhMikeS | use TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK |
| 15:51:31 | petur | ah.. 10x |
| 15:59:37 | petur | yup, seems to work very well |
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| 16:01:02 | Sequell | After putting a new rockbox build on my iPod, it worked for 20 mins, then I switched it off. I switched it on later, and it brought upthe dead battery sign (even though it was at 50% only an hour earlier). I plugged it into a charger and nothing happens; it won't turn on, and the charging symbol doesn't appear. When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all, it just stays dead. Is there anything I can do? |
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| 16:35:53 | lamed | sed -e 's/hello/goodbye/g' -i * |
| 16:36:19 | lamed | shouldn't that change every 'hello' word in that folder to goodbye? |
| 16:37:57 | ender` | it should, as long as your sed supports -i |
| 16:38:20 | lamed | yeah, never mind it works, it just had problems with the cvs folder for some reason |
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| 16:40:44 | Sequell | Does anyone have a response for my question? |
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| 16:42:04 | * | Sequell fears he has permanently damaged his rather expensive machine |
| 16:42:15 | z0de | Sequell: can you get in the the ipod via usb? |
| 16:42:33 | Gnelik | Hi! |
| 16:42:36 | Gnelik | hi Dan |
| 16:43:05 | z0de | Sequell: When plugging it into my PC, nothing happens at all |
| 16:43:07 | z0de | oh :( |
| 16:44:00 | z0de | Sequell: how old is the ipod? |
| 16:44:12 | z0de | what version etc |
| 16:44:12 | Sequell | 12-16 months, tops. |
| 16:44:17 | Sequell | 4G greyscale. |
| 16:45:47 | z0de | hmm my first idea is hardware failer but its odd that it would happen just as you put rockbox on, i suggest posting in the forums as your more likly to get a proper responce |
| 16:47:49 | z0de | ive never heard of a case of rockbox killing any planyer |
| 16:47:53 | z0de | player* |
| 16:48:30 | dan_a | Hi Gnelik |
| 16:48:46 | z0de | make sure you include as much info as possible on your ipod/an options you changed/what build you put on/any mods/anything you can think off |
| 16:48:53 | n1s | Sequell: leave it connected to the charger for a while then try to force reboot with menu+select |
| 16:49:42 | Sequell | Will do (to both of those suggestions) |
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| 16:51:20 | Soap | or better yet, search the forums. There is a thread on this very subject once a week. |
| 16:52:55 | Gnelik | dan_a: Uptade debug_menu.c line 1082 to #elif CONFIG_CPU == PP5020 || CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 |
| 16:52:57 | Gnelik | in cvs |
| 16:53:06 | Gnelik | to allow GPIO's debuging |
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| 16:57:12 | dan_a | Gnelik: Done |
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| 16:57:55 | Gnelik | HZ is proc frenq |
| 16:57:55 | Gnelik | ?? |
| 16:57:59 | Gnelik | or no?? |
| 16:58:22 | n1s | yes |
| 16:58:37 | dan_a | Sort of. HZ is the number of clock ticks per second |
| 16:58:43 | n1s | ticks per sec |
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| 17:00:59 | Gnelik | than it seem than sansa has more than 100 ticks per second |
| 17:04:58 | Gnelik | But runtime works fine |
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| 17:21:36 | Gnelik | ping |
| 17:23:36 | petur | pong? |
| 17:23:58 | Gnelik | yep |
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| 17:27:01 | Sequell | Does Rockbox access the hard disk more than the standard firmware? I've noticed the hard disk spinning for longer and more often when using Rockbox... maybe it's just me |
| 17:28:58 | Sequell | Also: is it possible for Rockbox to alter the audio quality in any way, or is that hardware-based? |
| 17:31:22 | petur | yuck. adding file and (recursive) dir properties adds 2036 bytes to my h340 binary :/ |
| 17:31:56 | Soap | Sequell: rockbox only (?) accesses the HD more than stock firmware on the 60 gig iPods, as it uses only 32 of their 64MB buffers. |
| 17:32:16 | Soap | Sequell: and most all the audio shaping is done in software. |
| 17:32:32 | Soap | with very few exceptions. |
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| 17:32:51 | Soap | Sequell: turn on Directory Cache on your ipod. |
| 17:33:07 | Soap | assuming you aren't using TagCache/database. |
| 17:40:08 | Sequell | ah, thanks |
| 17:40:24 | Sequell | so the music will sound slightly different depending on which firmware i use to play it? |
| 17:40:58 | petur | can... but probably inaudible |
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| 17:44:58 | Soap | I was under the impression RMAA testing had shown no significant differences. |
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| 17:46:41 | Sequell | RMAA, you say? |
| 17:47:06 | PRGUY | hey there |
| 17:47:24 | Gnelik | dan_a: any progress, or you aren't working on sansa |
| 17:47:26 | Gnelik | ??? |
| 17:47:46 | PRGUY | I just installed rockbox on my iPod 4g grayscale, but I am not getting the file view menu. Everything else works and if I make a playlist of all songs I can listen to them, but I cannot browse song by song, or artist by artist. What is wrong? |
| 17:48:25 | Soap | PRGUY: where is your music? Rockbox boots into the file view screen. |
| 17:48:46 | PRGUY | ok, whaat I get on boot is calendars, notes, rocbox |
| 17:48:56 | Soap | let us not call it the "file view menu" as there is the File Tree, and the Menu, and never the twain shall meet. |
| 17:49:10 | Soap | PRGUY: sounds like the root directory of an ipod. |
| 17:49:14 | PRGUY | yes |
| 17:49:28 | Soap | that is your file tree view then. |
| 17:49:29 | PRGUY | so, what do I do to get a traditional file tree menu where I can select songs by artist, albums etc? |
| 17:49:42 | dan_a | Gnelik: I'm not working on rockbox at the moment. Everyone needs some time off sometimes! |
| 17:49:43 | Soap | that wouldn't be a traditional file tree would it? |
| 17:49:47 | PRGUY | oh so the rockbox is not like the ipod firmware in that way? |
| 17:49:51 | Soap | a file tree is just like windows explorer. |
| 17:50:00 | Gnelik | dan_a: True |
| 17:50:06 | PRGUY | where I can browse my music by artist? |
| 17:50:25 | Soap | you need to enable TagCache/Database (just changed names) |
| 17:50:43 | PRGUY | ok, and that will give me what? |
| 17:50:49 | Soap | the manual refers to it as TagCache still, but besides that the manual is an excellent tool for setting that up. |
| 17:51:25 | Soap | the Database method of navigation is much more like the Apple OS method of navigation, browsing based on tags, not based on filenames, which would be the file tree view. |
| 17:51:51 | Soap | there is even a nice tool in the wiki to convert your itunes database to tagcache's database. |
| 17:52:02 | rasher | But more powerful, and it doesn't require anything on the PC side |
| 17:52:03 | * | Sequell loves being able to copy+paste album folders onto the ipod without passing them through itunes :) |
| 17:52:15 | PRGUY | ok I just clicked on Initialize Now on TagCache |
| 17:52:59 | PRGUY | is that it? |
| 17:53:09 | PRGUY | (I can hear the hard drive spinning...) |
| 17:53:16 | rasher | It's building the database now |
| 17:53:35 | habana | Thanks to dan_a and Badger, i finally booted on rockbox ! |
| 17:53:50 | rasher | When it's done (hard drive stops spinning), you reboot and change General settings > File view > Show files to ID3 Database |
| 17:54:45 | Gnelik | habana:my congrats |
| 17:54:49 | Gnelik | :) |
| 17:54:52 | PRGUY | wow thanks |
| 17:55:07 | Sequell | hmm... when rockbox changes to Karaoke mode (from the Sound Settings->Channels) menu, what's actually happening to the sound? I don't know how to describe it at all |
| 17:55:07 | PRGUY | and hey about the gapless playback i havent found the option yet |
| 17:55:29 | n1s | it isn't an option |
| 17:56:00 | PRGUY | ok so its On by default? |
| 17:56:39 | petur | you can't switch gapless on or off. not having gapless is a major bug imho |
| 17:57:00 | Soap | PRGUY: it isn't an option, it is the behavior of a proper decoder. |
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| 17:57:22 | Gnelik | dan_a: I have an idea to make graphick bootloader |
| 17:57:47 | Gnelik | To change the FW by chozing it in the list |
| 17:58:00 | Gnelik | And with timeout |
| 17:58:03 | Soap | like the ipodlinux bootloader does Gnelik ? |
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| 17:58:27 | Gnelik | I didn't know this |
| 17:58:28 | rasher | Sequell: I believe it subtracts the difference of the stereo channels from each channel.. or.. something like that |
| 17:58:30 | Gnelik | :) |
| 17:58:56 | Gnelik | If it do this then yes |
| 17:59:15 | Soap | you can use the IPL bootloader with rockbox |
| 17:59:25 | Gnelik | No no |
| 17:59:29 | Gnelik | its not for me |
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| 18:00:12 | Soap | ? |
| 18:00:38 | dan_a | Soap: Not everyone is using an iPod! |
| 18:00:45 | Gnelik | I think it wont work on sansa |
| 18:00:47 | Soap | dan_a: point |
| 18:01:01 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:01:02 | Sequell | rockbox on 5g video ipods still plays video files, doesn't it? |
| 18:01:54 | Soap | Sequell: like rasher said, the assumption being that vocal tracks are mastered dead center, and thus L+inverse right = leaves behind only what isn't common (vocal) to both. |
| 18:02:27 | Soap | Sequell: not .mp4 like Apple FW, and not anything but mpeg 1/2 w/o sound. |
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| 18:03:59 | PRGUY | hey what font would make it look similar to the iPod font? |
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| 18:05:22 | Gnelik | Where do i put dooms wad file |
| 18:05:22 | Gnelik | ??? |
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| 18:06:36 | Soap | PRGUY: look at the iPod WPS page and check out what fonts the iPod clone WPSs are using. |
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| 18:06:57 | dan_a | Gnelik: in /games/doom - it's in the wiki |
| 18:06:58 | Soap | Gnelik: doom is well documented in the manual/wiki |
| 18:07:22 | PRGUY | where can I find teh iPod WPS page |
| 18:07:34 | PRGUY | (sorry for being such a pain) |
| 18:07:44 | Soap | wiki |
| 18:07:46 | Soap | ipod port |
| 18:07:48 | Sequell | that's pretty cool, the karaoke thing |
| 18:07:53 | Soap | has all the main ipod wiki links |
| 18:08:24 | Sequell | it cuts out the bass guitar in talking heads songs as well as the voice, makes it sound interesting |
| 18:08:26 | bluebrother | hmm. How about moving doom gamedata to /.rockbox/doom? |
| 18:08:48 | rasher | bluebrother: Go go go |
| 18:09:06 | rasher | You wrote a patch for that, right? |
| 18:09:06 | petur | eh? |
| 18:09:07 | * | bluebrother searches for the patch he made for that some while ago |
| 18:09:26 | rasher | Didn't we agree on .rockbox/games/*/`? |
| 18:09:34 | rasher | (for pacman and possibly other) |
| 18:09:45 | * | petur must have missed the discussion |
| 18:10:09 | rasher | It was a 15 minute discussion, so that's understandable |
| 18:10:13 | petur | why have all that non rb stuff in there? I'd rather have *all* data out of the rb tree |
| 18:10:45 | petur | I'm very fond of keeping programs and data separate |
| 18:10:46 | rasher | Hrm, I see it the other way. I'd rather have everything related to Rockbox in there |
| 18:10:47 | bluebrother | amiconn made the valid point that all other games also have their subdir below .rockbox |
| 18:10:58 | bluebrother | like rockboy |
| 18:11:07 | petur | time to get them out of there? |
| 18:11:09 | petur | :) |
| 18:11:21 | petur | ah well... |
| 18:11:23 | bluebrother | maybe. |
| 18:11:27 | rasher | But pretty much all of .rockbox is data anyway |
| 18:11:32 | rasher | fonts, languages, etc |
| 18:11:40 | petur | I mean user data |
| 18:11:49 | petur | not included in the zip that is |
| 18:12:03 | bluebrother | petur, see FS #5903 for the patch I made |
| 18:12:35 | bluebrother | having archived themes would be also a nice thing, but I'm missing the time to work on that atm :( |
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| 18:12:52 | petur | if it was agreed upon by the oldtimers then I won't mind :p |
| 18:13:04 | rasher | I don't think it was |
| 18:13:27 | bluebrother | that's the reason why I haven't done it yet. |
| 18:13:29 | rasher | (not disagreed either, there just weren't any here) |
| 18:14:00 | petur | the way it is now makes it impossible to start with a new rockbox tree. so you end up deleting old plugins (that get renamed) by hand :( |
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| 18:14:31 | petur | because if you wipe .rockbox you loose way too much data |
| 18:14:44 | petur | (custom configs, saved settings, ...) |
| 18:14:57 | bluebrother | but the only files sometimes one gets removed are the plugins |
| 18:14:59 | petur | been there once, didn't like it :/ |
| 18:15:34 | * | petur remembers wps maintenance too |
| 18:15:57 | * | bluebrother still wants to code archived themes |
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| 18:17:02 | bluebrother | petur, what do you think of a theme installer? FS #6156 |
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| 18:18:59 | petur | not a bad idea |
| 18:19:07 | petur | like cab files on CE |
| 18:19:23 | petur | maybe also auto-delete them after install? |
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| 18:19:43 | * | bluebrother remembers he wanted to write a zip to rbt converter script |
| 18:20:33 | bluebrother | I'd prefer not to delete them so the user can reinstall it like after wiping .rockbox |
| 18:20:45 | bluebrother | wor testing I put those files in some folder like /themes |
| 18:20:47 | petur | pffff |
| 18:24:51 | bluebrother | but it could be an option in the installer |
| 18:26:16 | Gnelik | Can i use gui/list in bootloader??? |
| 18:26:28 | petur | why not make a more generic installer that can handle fonts, wps, radiopresets ? |
| 18:27:48 | Genre9mp3 | 20min late: IMO files you don't use the File Browser to reach them (like Doom wads) should be in .rockbox dir |
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| 18:29:07 | bluebrother | but what format should those install files have? Simply the same and distinguishing with their file extensions? |
| 18:29:29 | bluebrother | fmr go to fmpresets, fnt to fonts etc.? |
| 18:29:40 | bluebrother | nice idea. |
| 18:29:41 | Wett | Why not having 2 main directories ? One for programs and one for other data ? I dislike seeing my folders being disorganized by rockbox stuff, but i also hate loosing my settings everytime I update |
| 18:30:19 | rasher | Why would you lose your settings? |
| 18:30:20 | petur | my thoughts exactly |
| 18:30:30 | bluebrother | like having a /.rbdata? or /.userdata? |
| 18:30:48 | bluebrother | an installer would still be helpful imo ;-) |
| 18:30:49 | Gnelik | bluebrother: For example .ri(rockbox instaler) and have a config file inside |
| 18:31:09 | Wett | rasher: because I used to have problems just overwritting ./rockbox folder |
| 18:31:27 | petur | rasher: try deleting .rockbox and unzipping a fresh install: gone are your settings (saved cfg for now but soon your TRUE settings), fm presets, ... |
| 18:31:53 | bluebrother | hmm. I think I'd prefer distinguishing based on file extensions to be independend from some internal file |
| 18:32:16 | petur | would also make it easier to back up only your settings & stuff (highscores,...) |
| 18:32:21 | bluebrother | requiring an additional file would make it harder for installer file packagers. And thus decrease the acceptance |
| 18:32:36 | obo | bluebrother: I'm working on one at the moment... |
| 18:32:41 | Genre9mp3 | having /.rockbox and /.rbdata dirs doesn't sound bad |
| 18:32:54 | bluebrother | obo, what exactly? |
| 18:32:59 | obo | an installer |
| 18:33:14 | bluebrother | you've seen my theme installer at FS? |
| 18:33:17 | petur | bluebrother: the installer could look at the files inside and figure out what it is |
| 18:33:42 | petur | .fmr is a preset file, .cfg a theme, ... |
| 18:34:09 | petur | and don't allow mixed tars (presets+theme,..) |
| 18:34:28 | Gnelik | petur: eqs are alsow .cfg |
| 18:34:37 | petur | grrrr |
| 18:34:46 | bluebrother | my current installer e.g. recognizes all bmp files unless the bmp is set as backdrop in the theme file |
| 18:35:03 | bluebrother | but that's mostly the approach I already used. |
| 18:35:53 | bluebrother | obo, how exactly are you working on an installer? Themes only or a more generic one? |
| 18:36:02 | obo | more generic |
| 18:36:48 | petur | \o/ |
| 18:37:46 | bluebrother | hmm. For all file types that can get distinguished by the file extension extending my installer would be easy |
| 18:38:30 | Gnelik | Lets change qe entension to .eq |
| 18:38:32 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:38:37 | Gnelik | qe = eq |
| 18:38:46 | bluebrother | sounds reasonable to me |
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| 18:39:06 | petur | amiconn? |
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| 18:39:27 | Gnelik | and them's one to theme |
| 18:39:33 | bluebrother | anything else that shares extensions? |
| 18:40:02 | Gnelik | viwer, plugins |
| 18:40:08 | Gnelik | how about them? |
| 18:40:31 | Gnelik | They all are .rock |
| 18:41:05 | bluebrother | yeah, but I don't think we need an installer for that |
| 18:41:14 | bluebrother | as they need to match the plugin api |
| 18:41:45 | Gnelik | ok |
| 18:42:05 | bluebrother | instead I'd like to have subcategories in the plugins folder ;-) |
| 18:42:12 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:43:42 | Gnelik | I have seen suck patch why it isn't in cvs now? |
| 18:43:59 | * | bluebrother rebuilds his installer patch |
| 18:44:04 | Gnelik | ups |
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| 18:44:11 | Gnelik | *such |
| 18:45:21 | Gnelik | Can i use gui/list in bootloader??? |
| 18:45:32 | bluebrother | no idea. |
| 18:46:23 | Gnelik | grrr |
| 18:46:45 | [g2] | Gnelik rEFIt uses graphics |
| 18:47:09 | Gnelik | ?? |
| 18:47:56 | [g2] | Gnelik rEFIt is a bootloader on the Macs and is uses graphics (GUI) to selecting different options |
| 18:48:10 | rasher | Hard to run that on your DAP though |
| 18:48:22 | * | bluebrother recognizes his installer already handles fnt files |
| 18:48:29 | [g2] | rasher the point was that some bootloaders do use graphics |
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| 18:48:45 | [g2] | rasher it's simply a memory and complexity issue |
| 18:48:50 | rasher | Well, Gnelik was a bit more specific than that. |
| 18:48:57 | rasher | Gnelik's question |
| 18:49:39 | rasher | bootloader means the Rockbox bootloader, and no, I don't believe (or hope!) that the gui_list widget is available there |
| 18:49:55 | Gnelik | [g2] i am sure that i can use graptics, but dont know about the list.h |
| 18:50:08 | Gnelik | with its features |
| 18:50:56 | [g2] | rasher my bad. thx for the clarification I only saw that the last bit |
| 18:52:49 | rasher | Gnelik: I guess you could #include a whole bunch of stuff into the bootloader, but I doubt that'll ever make it into Rockbox. The bootloader is supposed to load rockbox as fast as possible, while still allowing dual-boot by holding down a button or similar |
| 18:52:59 | lamed | what aptget package is gmake? |
| 18:53:17 | rasher | make |
| 18:53:39 | rasher | gmake is only used on Freebsd, which as its own non-GNU make |
| 18:54:23 | lamed | so what does that means then? Consider upgrading to GNU make 3.81+ for optimum build performance. |
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| 18:54:40 | rasher | lamed: You have an old version |
| 18:55:08 | lamed | apt-get install make = make is already the newest version. |
| 18:55:26 | bluebrother | lamed, there have been some improvements made to make building faster, but those require a newer make version. |
| 18:55:39 | bluebrother | No problem at all, it's simply a bit slower |
| 18:55:46 | bluebrother | I also have an older version of make |
| 18:56:13 | lamed | i was trying to download it, it could be that I'm on an old server that doesn't yet have the new make. |
| 18:56:45 | lamed | my make version is 3.80 |
| 18:56:47 | lamed | sec |
| 18:57:19 | lamed | how do I check what version is on my apt-get server side? |
| 18:57:28 | rasher | apt-cache policy make |
| 18:58:10 | rasher | make in Debian Stable s 3.80 |
| 18:58:58 | lamed | yeah. it has "make 3.80-9". I guess the -9 doesn't mean a lot otherwise it would have already been downloaded |
| 18:59:13 | rasher | The -9 is just the debian package version |
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| 19:00:23 | lamed | ah. so it's kind of wierd having that "cosider upgrading to gnumake" message if it's only valid for freebsd. |
| 19:00:41 | lamed | (yeah ok or not stable for debian) |
| 19:01:18 | rasher | t isn't |
| 19:01:37 | rasher | What you have installed is GNU make |
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| 19:02:14 | rasher | It is simply called make on linux systems. Only on *BSD is it called gmake |
| 19:02:32 | rasher | which is what you asked about first |
| 19:03:45 | lamed | rasher - I ment that you can (probably) get a newer version then 3.80 gnu make for debian, but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to. and that's why the "consider" message might not be the smartest idea |
| 19:04:04 | lamed | (work cvs diff work!) |
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| 19:04:37 | rasher | I think you misunderstand the meaning of "stable" in Debian terms. |
| 19:05:15 | rasher | It means the environment doesn't change. Not that the software is stable (it mostly is, but that's true for the other parts of Debian as well) |
| 19:05:32 | rasher | It means all programs remain the same, no versionchanges etc. |
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| 19:08:35 | lamed | now you got me all mixed up and I even don't know why. |
| 19:08:37 | lamed | i'm on debian |
| 19:09:28 | lamed | and I get the message about gnu make although I have the newest package that there is released. |
| 19:09:40 | rasher | Yes, because that version is old. Ish. |
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| 19:09:59 | rasher | The thing I'm responding to is "but it's not stable - so it's not so recommanded to switch to." |
| 19:10:03 | lamed | but it's not for debian it terms of released packages |
| 19:10:20 | rasher | There's nothing stopping you from switching to Dbian testing or unstable |
| 19:10:42 | lamed | ok, now i got what you mean |
| 19:12:03 | lamed | why can't I cvs diff properly... :/ |
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| 19:26:20 | Gnelik | I am newbin in C |
| 19:26:32 | Gnelik | tell me what is wrong in here: |
| 19:26:32 | Gnelik | char items[MENU_COUNT][256]; |
| 19:26:32 | Gnelik | items[0] = "Sandisk"; |
| 19:26:32 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Gnelik |
| 19:26:32 | Gnelik | items[1] = "Rockbox"; |
| 19:27:00 | Gnelik | char items[MENU_COUNT][256]; |
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| 19:36:35 | Kyl3 | Hey guys just a quick question. Did rockbox add support for H300 1.31K yet? if not are you guys going to? |
| 19:38:03 | petur | 1.31? |
| 19:38:19 | petur | must admit I'm not following iriver fw anymore :) |
| 19:38:29 | petur | what did they remove this time? |
| 19:38:38 | Kyl3 | Nothing |
| 19:38:50 | Kyl3 | They made it more rockbox like actully |
| 19:38:57 | markun | and added games, right? |
| 19:39:02 | Kyl3 | Added a few games and OTF playlists |
| 19:39:09 | petur | oh |
| 19:39:31 | Kyl3 | And petur me niether but I checked Misticriver today and there and there it was |
| 19:39:34 | petur | why would they still maintain fw of a player they stopped producing? |
| 19:40:07 | Kyl3 | Well... its Korean. Maybe they still sell them there |
| 19:41:23 | petur | tsss minesweeper |
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| 19:43:36 | petur | hahaha... no background music supported... either listen or game... |
| 19:43:58 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:43:58 | * | petur ran the iriver page through babelfish |
| 19:45:31 | petur | they mention something about being able to use an OGG file. did iriver support OGG? |
| 19:45:45 | Kyl3 | Yep |
| 19:46:35 | petur | bugfix seems to be leapyear related - maybe they started using the RTC chip correctly now ;) |
| 19:46:43 | bluebrother | I bought the h120 because of their ogg support |
| 19:47:11 | bluebrother | but when I started re-ripping my CDs to ogg I looked for an alternative and found rockbox −− the ogg support of the h120 is crappy |
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| 19:47:48 | petur | the translation is really funny.... |
| 19:48:08 | Gnelik | lcd_drawrect(MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, LCD_WIDTH-2*MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER, LCD_HEIGHT-2*MENU_GLOBAL_BORDER); |
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| 19:48:26 | Gnelik | e200.c:226: error: syntax error before ';' token |
| 19:48:30 | Gnelik | GRRRRRRR |
| 19:48:35 | Gnelik | Help me |
| 19:48:53 | bluebrother | forgot a ; the line before? |
| 19:49:13 | Gnelik | no |
| 19:49:16 | Lamed | petur: around? |
| 19:49:27 | petur | *looks around* yups |
| 19:50:10 | Gnelik | bluebrother:: checked this |
| 19:50:15 | Lamed | you were working and commiting the agc patch, right? |
| 19:50:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: hehe, now i got it booted up from flash :) somehow initially setting cpu speed crashed the unit |
| 19:50:45 | Kyl3 | So no bootloader support yet for 1.31K? |
| 19:51:00 | petur | Lamed: I just committed it (and use it) |
| 19:51:31 | Gnelik | bluebrother: ";" in defines |
| 19:51:41 | bluebrother | :( |
| 19:51:53 | Lamed | hmm, I'd love if everyone could keep going by http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonLatinLanguages , that will save me a lot of time and effort in the future... |
| 19:52:47 | Lamed | is 'cvs diff -u * > 123' the wrong syntax?! |
| 19:54:11 | petur | Lamed: that internal font thing was added after AGC iirc |
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| 19:56:20 | tucoz | preglow: around? |
| 19:57:22 | habana | Did users of the frsser version for sansa suport have troubles with keys (as very badly working) ? maybe i missed a patch not yet added to cvs ? |
| 19:57:38 | habana | frsser = fresh |
| 19:57:45 | tucoz | it´s nice to see the sansa port moving forwa |
| 19:57:47 | tucoz | rd |
| 19:58:11 | tucoz | I´ll probably buy myself one of those after christmas. |
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| 20:00:46 | Lamed | petur, well the cvs says you don't 'rc'... http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/recorder/recording.c but it truely was a short while after that (~ a week) and it was just a future reference anyhow :) |
| 20:01:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: now the rockbox logo is basically displayed as soon what it takes to initialize the lcd :) |
| 20:01:59 | Slasheri | amiconn: and buttons seems to work very early |
| 20:02:22 | Slasheri | i pressed power button twice shortly (about 500ms between the presses) and resume function activated :) |
| 20:04:15 | Gnelik | Is lcd_invertrect exist? |
| 20:04:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: basically buttons react before anything is displayed on the lcd (it seems lcd is quite slow to initialize) |
| 20:06:24 | Slasheri | i am about to add a "crash recovery" screen to the bootloader that is automatically activated if rockbox has not cleanly shutdown |
| 20:08:06 | petur | next step is to make the background color blue and foreground color white in the crash screen? :p |
| 20:09:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: and now it's possible to have both of the rom and ram image in the flash separately at the same time |
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| 20:12:31 | petur | grmph... I can't get my properties screen addition below 1688 bytes... amiconn, how bad is that? Shall I go optimize some places to compensate? |
| 20:13:12 | jhMikeS | Gnelik: use set_draw_mode(DRMODE_COMPLEMENT) |
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| 20:13:46 | kristinstickle | Hello. I'm installing Rockbox onto my 1gb 1st generation iPod Nano from Linux, and have run into a little snag. I'm not sure bootpartion.bin was created at all, as it isn't in the temporary directory I created. |
| 20:14:47 | kristinstickle | I don't want to continue until I've got said file backed up somewhere safe. |
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| 20:16:09 | kristinstickle | I did the following: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin |
| 20:18:03 | n1s | and your ipod is sda? |
| 20:18:27 | kristinstickle | Yes, my ipod is sda |
| 20:19:00 | kristinstickle | At least, according to dmesg |
| 20:22:31 | kristinstickle | Wait, being an Ubuntu user, should I have done sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin? |
| 20:24:12 | kristinstickle | Nope, that didn't work either. |
| 20:25:13 | scorche | it should say something about X records written/read |
| 20:27:04 | kristinstickle | I'm about to copy and paste what Konsole spit out at me: |
| 20:27:08 | kristinstickle | 160587+0 records in160587+0 records out82220544 bytes (82 MB) copied, 95.2868 seconds, 863 kB/s |
| 20:27:15 | scorche | use pastebin please |
| 20:27:30 | kristinstickle | Sorry. |
| 20:27:31 | scorche | it should be fine |
| 20:27:39 | scorche | that one wasnt that bad ;) |
| 20:27:49 | scorche | and you said that you dont see it? |
| 20:28:10 | dan_a | habana: The scroll wheel doesn't work yet, so yes, the keys are badly working. It says this in the forum ;) |
| 20:28:16 | kristinstickle | Nope. It isn't in ~/rockbox, nor is it in my home directory. |
| 20:28:44 | n1s | kristinstickle: where did you run the command from? |
| 20:28:45 | kristinstickle | Anywhere else where it might have been hidden? |
| 20:29:01 | kristinstickle | from within the rockbox directory I created. |
| 20:29:33 | kristinstickle | which is at /home/rockbox. The temporary folder I was told to create following the wiki installation instructions. |
| 20:29:40 | n1s | strange... |
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| 20:30:10 | kristinstickle | If all else fails, can I get by not backing this file up? |
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| 20:30:39 | scorche | well, you need to modify the file and then copy it back to the device |
| 20:30:57 | scorche | and extract the apple firmware from it |
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| 20:32:29 | habana | dan_a : it was not related to the wheel. In menu containing "recent bookmarks" on top and "Info" in the bottom, only these two folders are access granted with up and down buttons. |
| 20:33:03 | yipe | there is nothing on TV :( |
| 20:33:15 | yipe | I'm watching the stupid breakfast club, again.... |
| 20:34:34 | kristinstickle | Hmm. Okay. Tried it again, and this time it worked. Didn't do anything different.... Weird. |
| 20:34:54 | yipe | ah, wrong channel, sorry |
| 20:34:59 | yipe | you don't care what I'm watching :P |
| 20:35:08 | * | Lamed commiting |
| 20:35:08 | kristinstickle | Well, at least now I have my bootpartion.bin file. Sorry about that, guys! I guess third time's the charm. |
| 20:36:18 | kristinstickle | I have nothing against the breakfast club. Just not something I'd want to watch more than once in a short period. O_O |
| 20:37:18 | kristinstickle | Okay. Goodbye. Thanks for being patient with me. Wish me luck on the rest of the installation! |
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| 20:42:30 | Lamed | bagder: around? |
| 20:42:57 | petur | bleh... output_dyn_value() can't handle big values :/ |
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| 20:44:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: rockbox even no longer seems to crash during playback when running from ROM :) |
| 20:44:11 | Lamed | can anyone check why can't I login using my developer username?! |
| 20:45:12 | rasher | Slasheri: how is rockbox in rom working out? |
| 20:45:24 | rasher | What are te benefits |
| 20:45:27 | Slasheri | rasher: seems to work very well at the moment :) |
| 20:45:43 | Slasheri | rasher: even _little_ faster boot time than running from ram and reduced ram usage |
| 20:46:11 | Slasheri | ram available for audio buffering will be increased something like 350 kB |
| 20:46:15 | rasher | I wouldn't know about the boot time, still not flashed |
| 20:46:28 | Slasheri | hehe, you should try :) |
| 20:46:41 | rasher | I guess. I'm awaiting a bootloader release |
| 20:46:42 | Slasheri | but only if you have h120/140 |
| 20:46:46 | rasher | I do |
| 20:47:06 | Slasheri | yep, i am now doing some important changes to the bootloader |
| 20:47:07 | Lamed | guys, who's admining the cvs server? (that is around) |
| 20:47:17 | Gnelik | I cant choze right sleep |
| 20:47:24 | Gnelik | My it blinks |
| 20:47:40 | petur | Lamed: you need Bagder or LinusN |
| 20:48:19 | Lamed | but they are both not around and I just want to commit and get it over with |
| 20:48:21 | Slasheri | rasher: the other benefits for running from flash (either ram or rom image) is that dircache and tagcache states can be loaded from disk |
| 20:48:26 | Lamed | :(((( |
| 20:48:50 | Slasheri | so rockbox no longer needs to scan disk after boot to load the directory cache thus saving some battery |
| 20:48:51 | rasher | Slasheri: I still don't understand how these two are related |
| 20:48:58 | petur | yuck... trying to use output_dyn_value() increased my binary size :( |
| 20:49:31 | Slasheri | rasher: eeprom is needed to store flag when disk is intact and that can't be done if original fw is using the eeprom |
| 20:50:16 | rasher | Ah, and if the OF is there, you don't know if it's tampered with the disk anyway |
| 20:50:39 | Slasheri | yep, we have no way to know then |
| 20:51:05 | Slasheri | but without OF bootloader changes the eeprom flag to indicate disk has been tampered if usb bootloader mode has been used for example |
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| 20:58:26 | Gnelik | how can i get all files with .e200 extention from some directory? |
| 20:59:40 | Soap | OS? |
| 20:59:47 | Soap | What OS are you on? |
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| 21:00:35 | Gnelik | C :) |
| 21:00:47 | Gnelik | Rockbox Api |
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| 21:05:16 | webguest23 | I just found your website. Does rockbox work with flash based players, or just HD players? |
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| 21:06:15 | petur | both |
| 21:07:48 | petur | anybody got any objections against me adding my implementation of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 (my patch is at the bottom)? It's a file and directory properties context screen... |
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| 21:10:12 | petur | webguest23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox and http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml are nice starting points |
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| 21:10:35 | Soap | an advanced-file-management pluggin would prevent any binary bloat ;) |
| 21:10:36 | petur | the latter shows which models are supported too ;) |
| 21:10:50 | petur | Soap: I know |
| 21:11:14 | petur | maybe I should make a plugin of it... |
| 21:11:41 | petur | and have it loaded from the browser context menu (like credits is done) |
| 21:11:48 | Soap | I say that, but I can't think of other functions to move to such a pluggin. |
| 21:11:59 | bluebrother | petur, that properties sounds nice. |
| 21:12:05 | Soap | which would be the real space-saver. |
| 21:12:13 | bluebrother | especially as it isn't a plugin |
| 21:12:29 | bluebrother | maybe only enable it on swcodec because of the size increase? |
| 21:13:11 | petur | reason I wrote it is because I missed it a lot recently and was surprised we didn't have it |
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| 21:14:09 | petur | it adds 1680 bytes tho :( |
| 21:14:53 | bluebrother | I'm surprised it adds that much |
| 21:15:26 | petur | for files it shows path,name, date and time. for directories it shows number of subdirs, files and total size of all files |
| 21:16:07 | petur | a lot of bytes go to the screen output and some new LANG_xxx strings |
| 21:16:39 | petur | I tried to reuse existing LANG_xxx strings as much as possible, which is ugly... |
| 21:17:06 | XavierGr | I am in for this petur |
| 21:17:10 | XavierGr | nice patch |
| 21:17:13 | petur | and optimized it from 2036 to 1680 bytes - maybe I should go over the rest of the code :) |
| 21:17:17 | XavierGr | I say commit it :P |
| 21:17:28 | petur | did you try it? |
| 21:17:56 | XavierGr | no, but I like the idea |
| 21:18:30 | petur | let's hear how loud amiconn swears when he arrives |
| 21:18:36 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 21:19:00 | XavierGr | well I think that file\dir properties are essential for a file browser anyway |
| 21:21:19 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if I consider that number of subdirs on folder properties needed. |
| 21:23:02 | petur | bbl |
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| 22:17:42 | Slasheri | ah, now the bootloader works great also, with automatic failsafe menu activation |
| 22:17:55 | Slasheri | and hold switch activates that menu too with automatic shutdown |
| 22:18:11 | habana | on wich players ? |
| 22:18:13 | Slasheri | and using rec button it's possible to change the default boot image |
| 22:18:22 | Slasheri | h120/140 with flashed rockbox :) |
| 22:18:46 | habana | nice ! a kind of grub |
| 22:18:48 | bluebrother | changing the default boot image sticky? |
| 22:19:03 | Slasheri | bluebrother: yes, that settings is written to the eeprom |
| 22:19:09 | bluebrother | cool |
| 22:19:26 | bluebrother | the only thing that refrains me from flashing is frequent updating |
| 22:19:30 | Slasheri | should be commit ready in few days :) |
| 22:19:37 | dpassen1 | Slasheri: Is there a clean way to stop the heuristics for tracknumber guessing in the Database? |
| 22:19:48 | bluebrother | are the "basic" codecs (ogg, mp3) also in flash already? |
| 22:19:58 | Slasheri | dpassen1: not at the moment unless compiling rockbox |
| 22:20:15 | Slasheri | bluebrother: no, only rockbox firmware image (ram or rom image) itself |
| 22:20:32 | dpassen1 | Would it still be clean (i.e.: just commenting out a few lines of code)? |
| 22:20:52 | Slasheri | dpassen1: yep, open apps/tagcache.c |
| 22:21:11 | bluebrother | is there space left to do this later? Would be great to have a "safe" working Rockbox in flash that doesn't depend on the codecs on disk (but could use them) |
| 22:21:28 | dpassen1 | Ok, looking at it. |
| 22:21:29 | Slasheri | and line 1507 |
| 22:21:36 | Slasheri | comment out the whole if block |
| 22:21:50 | dpassen1 | Thank you very much |
| 22:21:55 | Slasheri | bluebrother: hmm, might be |
| 22:22:01 | Slasheri | np :) |
| 22:23:34 | bluebrother | btw, why has nobody added loading the OF from disk? Because of the encryption or no interest at all? |
| 22:24:03 | Slasheri | that would need reverse engineering, not so easy to do |
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| 22:24:30 | Slasheri | there is no way to know how hardware must be initialized and how to load the original fw to ram |
| 22:27:01 | bluebrother | ok |
| 22:27:12 | bluebrother | I was just curious |
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| 22:43:55 | amiconn | petur: The one who breaks yet another rombox will get shot. ;\ |
| 22:44:30 | amiconn | We're ~1200 bytes away from the barrier on Ondio FM |
| 22:44:57 | Bagder | but we can't let rombox stop development |
| 22:45:20 | amiconn | I wonder why a simple file info adds that much code |
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| 22:49:07 | amiconn_ | The whole bmp loader is just 1.3KB on archos, and ~2.1KB on H300 |
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| 22:53:20 | jhMikeS | does gcc merge duplicate strings? |
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| 22:56:37 | sekondchakra | what does 'tag cache is not ready" mean? I've been getting it for the past 4 hours... (!) |
| 22:56:43 | sekondchakra | :-( |
| 22:58:59 | sekondchakra | I've tried updating it; re-initializing it... |
| 22:59:03 | sekondchakra | any ideas? |
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| 23:06:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:08:49 | Slasheri | now i have the bootloader 2kB below the binary limit.. |
| 23:09:18 | Slasheri | sekondchakra: you need to remove /.rockbox/*.tcd files and try again |
| 23:10:46 | sekondchakra | thanks slasheri...let me try that... |
| 23:13:52 | sekondchakra | I see a "tagcache_tmp.tcd" file−−are there others imbedded in other folders? |
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| 23:14:54 | Slasheri | sekondchakra: if there is just that temporary file, it might indicate something has gone wrong. Did you reboot after initializing the database? |
| 23:15:21 | sekondchakra | Well...hard to remember... I've re-initialized and updated and rebooted several times today... |
| 23:15:41 | Slasheri | that tmp file should vanish after reboot |
| 23:15:59 | sekondchakra | should i drop back and punt? |
| 23:16:12 | Slasheri | give it a try :) |
| 23:16:27 | sekondchakra | but seriously folks... where's a good place to start over? |
| 23:16:39 | Slasheri | and if you can't get it working, you can send that file to me |
| 23:16:57 | sekondchakra | you mean the one that I deleted (cuz you told me to?!) LOL! |
| 23:17:00 | Slasheri | then i can check if there is a bug |
| 23:17:11 | sekondchakra | oh...wait...it's still in the trash! |
| 23:17:15 | Slasheri | hehe, yep, but you can generate it again :) |
| 23:17:24 | Slasheri | don't take it from the trash :D |
| 23:17:30 | tychver | does anyone know how much of a difference using GCC-4.1.1 rather than 4.0.3 makes for ARM? |
| 23:17:31 | sekondchakra | so, where should I start over?? |
| 23:17:50 | Slasheri | sekondchakra: initialize tagcache and reboot after disk has spun down |
| 23:18:03 | sekondchakra | gotcha. brb |
| 23:19:25 | sekondchakra | ok. initializing. how do I know when it's done? |
| 23:19:32 | sekondchakra | and how do I know when the disc has spun down? |
| 23:19:59 | sekondchakra | (I think the initializing has something to do with that teensy little icon in the uppermost right corner?) |
| 23:20:15 | sekondchakra | Hey! no laughing! I admit to being a n00b! |
| 23:20:17 | sekondchakra | :-| |
| 23:21:07 | Slasheri | yes, that tiny icon should indicate disk access |
| 23:21:14 | Slasheri | wait until it goes off |
| 23:21:23 | sekondchakra | ok. it's off now.... |
| 23:21:36 | sekondchakra | reboot now? |
| 23:21:38 | Slasheri | then reboot |
| 23:21:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/rombox_iriver_1.patch, do you think rom.lds changes might break archos units? |
| 23:22:35 | sekondchakra | "Committing tagcache" |
| 23:23:16 | habana | Can someone explain me why the sansa mounts its partition automatically with the official firmware and not with the Rockbox one ? great mystery for me |
| 23:23:16 | sekondchakra | Nope. "tag cache is not ready" |
| 23:23:56 | Slasheri | sekondchakra: weird, do you have the newest version of rockbox? |
| 23:25:32 | sekondchakra | i would assume so...i only installed it day-before-yesterday... |
| 23:26:04 | Slasheri | ok, then please dcc that tmp file to me.. i will take a look later if i have some time |
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| 23:26:33 | sekondchakra | the one in the trash−−or the one just created? |
| 23:26:46 | sekondchakra | (they're probably the same?) |
| 23:26:48 | Slasheri | the one just created |
| 23:26:53 | Slasheri | yep |
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| 23:27:06 | sekondchakra | ok... hang on while I snag that... |
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| 23:27:58 | sekondchakra | actually...there are SEVERAL now... 7 +the temp one... |
| 23:28:16 | sekondchakra | oh...wait. only 6 plus the temp one... |
| 23:28:49 | sekondchakra | no...7 there's an index version, too... |
| 23:28:52 | Slasheri | interesting.. so the commit process has probably failed |
| 23:28:58 | Slasheri | send only that _tmp |
| 23:29:58 | sekondchakra | here she comes... |
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| 23:33:14 | Slasheri | but now i go sleeping, you can send it any time, i have autoget on |
| 23:33:41 | sekondchakra | it just aborted... |
| 23:33:44 | sekondchakra | i'll try again... |
| 23:34:15 | sekondchakra | you must be in europe somewhere? |
| 23:34:31 | Slasheri | yep, in finland :) |
| 23:34:33 | sekondchakra | "waiting..." |
| 23:34:39 | Slasheri | hmm, i got nothing |
| 23:34:47 | sekondchakra | yeah.... |
| 23:34:53 | sekondchakra | could it be a router issue? |
| 23:34:54 | Slasheri | ah, you have not registered in freenode and can't use dcc |
| 23:35:00 | Slasheri | do you use ircnet? |
| 23:35:02 | sekondchakra | ah.... |
| 23:35:09 | Slasheri | you can send to Slasher there |
| 23:35:13 | sekondchakra | XChat |
| 23:35:22 | sekondchakra | is that what you asked? |
| 23:35:24 | Slasheri | but ircnet network? |
| 23:35:25 | Slasheri | no :) |
| 23:35:47 | sekondchakra | can't I just log onto ircnet? |
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| 23:36:03 | Slasheri | that is exactly what i meant |
| 23:36:14 | Slasheri | there dcc should work |
| 23:36:29 | sekondchakra | ok. I'm on ircnet now... do i have to go into a channel? |
| 23:36:49 | Slasheri | no, just dcc send it to Slasher |
| 23:37:21 | sekondchakra | hmmm.... how do i tell xchat to send it to YOU....? |
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| 23:37:56 | Slasheri | i don't know.. in Irssi i would say /dcc send Slasher "file" |
| 23:37:59 | Slasheri | you could try /help dcc |
| 23:38:07 | Slasheri | but now i have to go, cu tomorrow |
| 23:38:15 | sekondchakra | ok.... thanks!! |
| 23:39:00 | sekondchakra | DCC SEND slasher tagcache_tmp.tcd |
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| 23:47:18 | PaulPosition | any way to checkout the 'dev' part of cvs (simulators, etc.) without re-checking the basic rockbox stuff? |
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| 23:53:39 | * | petur returns |
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| 23:54:35 | * | jhMikeS figured out what gives with clicks between dsp resampled tracks |
| 23:55:57 | petur | amiconn: have a look at my patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 at the bottom) and tell me why it uses 1680 bytes / I'll have another look myself. If there's something borked, it might save us more code as some of it comes frome the recursive dir delete |
| 23:56:36 | * | petur thinks it must be the long long |
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