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#rockbox log for 2006-11-26

00:02:17jhMikeSpetur: that itty bitty thing adds that much?
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00:02:49peturyes. I'm getting rid of the long long now....
00:03:45jhMikeSI think using shifts instead of the divides would help too with the power of two values
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00:04:07peturyes, got that already in ;)
00:05:03jhMikeSwhere's the long long? searching it doesn't even turn up a "long"
00:05:50peturi needed it because recursive filesizes grow beyond a 32bit figure
00:06:57jhMikeSsomething's missing. I can't even find any in the patch. wtf
00:07:13peturthe bottom patch ;)
00:13:11jhMikeScould pass a structure pointer recursively and use only one parameter in _dir_properties to save stack space.
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00:16:48jhMikeSIt's weird cause I think all that recording stuff only added about 6-7k to the binary.
00:17:45peturdown at 1648 and counting :)
00:18:18jhMikeSI used long longs in many places too...go figure
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00:19:23peturhmmm... it's not the long longs after all :/
00:20:38jhMikeSmaybe inline _dir_properties :P
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00:53:10SoapGenre9mp3: I was trying to be subtle in the forums, a little hint if you dig, on what was most likley the common factor. ;)
00:57:34Genre9mp3heh... I guess I wasn't subtle at all then :P
01:03:56Soapit's fine.
01:04:32Soaphe failed to see w/o you pointing it out.
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02:05:56SoapIn a ironic twist, while using itunes for the wife's player, I got a BSOD, killing my rockbox conversation.
02:06:57peturthey'll get you, one way or another
02:12:55yipeI love rockbox, I just looked at the wps page, and there's a ton more cool themes there than there was the last time I looked
02:13:21yipethank you so much!
02:16:24*petur gives up optimizing and gets stuck at 1596 bytes...
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03:59:07PaulPositionHow do I 'make' (or whatever) the windows executables for the ui simulator?
03:59:40PaulPosition(running it with ./rockboxui in vmware is creepy.
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04:01:47JdGordonyou make it the same way, but run the exe from windows
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04:02:49PaulPositionBut I get no .exe doing 'make' and then 'make install' ??
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04:07:26sekondchakraWill someone give me a nudge when Slasheri comes back online?!
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04:35:35webguest05just had my iriver h140 stolen... any idea where to get another one?
04:38:09sekondchakramaybe off the guy that stole it from you?!
04:38:21sekondchakrathat's gotta hurt...
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04:38:49webguest05funny funny...
04:39:07sekondchakrabad joke...sorry...
04:39:31webguest05a couple on ebay... just wondering if anyone knew of another source
04:39:47sekondchakraare they no longer in production, or...?
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04:40:51scorchethey arent
04:41:02webguest05any idea of a different recorder that can be used for live recording and all of the other great things the 140 could do?
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04:43:43TerinjokesAnyone want to trade me their MacBook Pro for my lovely iBook?
04:45:37webguest05no recommendations?
04:46:01Terinjokeswebguest05, what's your question/problem?
04:46:30webguest05got a iriver h140 stolen... looking for another one or another recorder that's similar
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04:47:44Terinjokeshrm, that kinda sucks...However the only Rockbox-compatable player I've used is an iPod, so sorry. Perhap an h3xx?
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04:48:30webguest05maybe.... don't know anything about them... i guess I need to look it up
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05:27:15Soultwistercan i install rockbox for 60 gig 5th gen
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05:28:10Terinjokeshrm, is it a newer ipod video, or the older one?
05:28:32Terinjokeshrm, i believe so
05:28:33Soultwisterabout a year
05:28:47Soultwisterwhat do i need to download
05:29:11Terinjokeshold on
05:29:32Terinjokesok, yes 5g (older) works
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05:29:44Terinjokeswindows, macosx, or linux?
05:31:32Terinjokesi suggest doing the manual install, and not using that ipodwizard installer
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05:32:12akan01n_mhi, anyone has any news about ipod nano 2nd gen. ?!
05:32:40Terinjokeson the forums
05:34:04Terinjokesif you have any questions, ask away :)
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05:39:07Pleceboi know this is not related specifically to rockbox but thought someone could help. My music collection has a bunch of "illegal characters" in the file names that is causing my music player to trip up, does anyone have/know of a script or easy way to convert the file names to ones without illegal characters
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05:40:56TerinjokesPlecebo, you mean like japanese characters or such
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05:41:56scorcheTerinjokes: why even mention that installer? ;)
05:42:40PleceboTerinjokes, specifically characters that are illegal for the filesystem on the music device "!, @, ", and odd return characters"
05:42:59Plecebothat sort of thing
05:43:16Terinjokesoh, what system are you one on the computer>
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05:43:30Terinjokesscorche, so he DOESN'T go use it!
05:43:35Plecebothis computer is Ubuntu, but the music player has a vfat file system
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05:44:05Pleceboi found this page that details which "characters" are illegal for vfat
05:44:26Plecebobut i litterally have thousands of affected files, and doing them by hand would be a serious PITA you know
05:44:35Terinjokeshrm, you should get create a shell script....
05:46:04Pleceboi would think someone would have come up with one someplace on the net, but i've not been able to find one
05:46:10Plecebothat works that is
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05:50:09webguest127Does rockbox still use the apple ipod "click"?
05:51:03Soultwistercan u play videos
05:51:18Terinjokeswebguest, what do you mean 'click'
05:51:25Soultwisterand how do i make fonts bigger
05:51:42Terinjokessoultwister, not fully, no, but you can always reboot into Apple's Firmware if you want to watch videos
05:52:20webguest127I ment when you move your finger around the touch wheel on the ipod and it has an electronic click.
05:52:26Soultwisterdo linux have video cababilities
05:52:50webguest127Does the rockbox support the electronic click?
05:52:59scorchewebguest127: that is called the pzeio...cvs does not, but there is a patch for it
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05:54:44Terinjokesscorche does ipl have support for videos on the video?
05:54:53scorchethey do
05:55:09Terinjokeshrm...the suck for music playback however....
05:55:10Soultwisterwhat is ipl
05:55:11scorchedont ask me about its status though
05:55:30scorcheSoultwister: ipodlinux
05:55:32Terinjokessoultwister, ipl is ipodlinux
05:55:51Soultwisteris there other software i can use other then rockbox
05:56:22scorcheyes...there is ipodlinux
05:56:32scorchebut they are 2 totally different philosophies
05:56:52Terinjokeson the ipod, your chooses are Apple OF (meh, ok...), rockbox (good music playback, decent plugins), ipl (music playback is meh, ok, great plugins)
05:57:59scorcheit basically boils down to ipl = "fun stuff", "cool stuff", linux; rockbox = best audio experience/features/options
05:58:38scorchenot to say that rockbox doesnt have fun/cool stuff as well ;)
05:58:49Soultwisterwell id like video and music
05:58:49scorchebut that is just the focus of the 2 projects
06:00:37Soultwisterhow do i make fonts bigger
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06:00:46scorcheyou change fonts
06:01:11sekondchakraSlasheri, good morning... ya wanna try that file transfer again?!
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06:01:59sekondchakrait timed-out on that other irc thing you suggested, too...
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06:02:51sekondchakraIRCnet, wasn't it?
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07:44:59JdGordonyay.. freenode is back!
07:45:05JdGordonanyon aroudn with a ondio?
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07:46:09scorcheincluding the website too
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07:49:02unl0ckerguys, I got several themes, some have a centered image set, but the text never gets ajusted to the background.
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07:49:13unl0ckerAny idea way this is happening?
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07:49:45scorche<trelane> Freenode appears to have crashed, we are not sure why yet. All channel TS's are reset, topics have been lost unless locked in ChanServ, please stay tuned. At this time you may find it beneficial to hide joins and parts.
07:49:49JdGordonamiconn: is that your client reconnectio automatically? or you awake already?
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07:51:07JdGordonhave you got the right font?
07:51:09unl0ckerI could use a tip here ;)
07:51:18unl0ckeryeah came with the theme
07:51:57unl0ckerall text is showing on the eadge of the screen and not following the theme
08:04:23Topic" is still the place" by JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
08:04:36Mode"#rockbox +i " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:04:58 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection)
08:05:07Topic" is still the place to be" by daurnimator (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator)
08:05:25scorchenenolod: i did not want to do that, but i guess i had no choice...thanks
08:05:37Mode"#rockbox +t " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:05:50daurnimatorway no noobs?
08:05:52JdGordonbah, now the topic sux
08:06:09*JdGordon slaps daurnimator around with his "to be"
08:06:21Topic"Logbot: Wish you were here." by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:06:39daurnimatorwe aren't getting logged
08:06:43*daurnimator starts swearing
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08:08:44scorchenenolod: can you please let me know when i am able to ban/can take mode i off?
08:09:06unl0ckerlooks like my problem is related to build
08:09:27unl0ckerand im using the one on bleading edge builds page
08:09:46unl0ckerlooks like is bleading to the edge
08:11:05daurnimatorscorche: when channel is <75
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08:12:08Mode"#rockbox +g " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:13:02scorcheFYI to all: anyone is now able to invite
08:13:42unl0ckerscorche, u look like a very experienced user
08:13:48unl0ckercan u gimme a help ? :P
08:14:11nenolodscorche: k, you can take it off now
08:14:12scorcheunl0cker: please be patient atm...freenode had crashed and i am working on soemthing
08:14:16nenolodidoru has been restarted
08:14:30Mode"#rockbox -i " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:14:41Mode"#rockbox -g " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:17:41nenolodscorche: you'll probably want to invite your bot in or restart it
08:18:20scorchei am not able to restart it
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08:21:42scorchealso, thanks to whoever got a staffer's attention while i was already busy before the crash ;)
08:22:53daurnimatorme i think
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08:25:52Mode"#rockbox +c " by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:32:41Topic"#rockbox: Home of logbot" by scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:34:37nenolodscorche: try /invite
08:34:47nenolodsome bots will listen to invite and join
08:34:49nenolode.g. infobot
08:35:00CtcpVersion from nenolod!n=nenolod@gentoo/user/nenolod
08:35:24scorchenenolod: if you notice, logbot is already in here
08:35:40scorchebut thank you for your help =)
08:36:46daurnimator[18:03:55] * logbot (i=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ has joined #rockbox
08:36:48daurnimator[18:04:07] * JdGordon changes topic to ' is still the place'
08:36:48daurnimator[18:04:19] * scorche sets mode: +i
08:36:58daurnimatorthe problem was fixed befor eyou thought
08:37:03nenolodit was
08:37:09scorcheyeah...i noticed...heh
08:37:27*scorche was just hoping no one noticed so he could be cast as a hero
08:37:30nenolodidoru got restarted earlier than i thought :P
08:38:02daurnimatorhow was logbot reconnecting so damn fast
08:38:10daurnimatorit takes me bout 10 secs to connect
08:38:22daurnimator(7 secs with ident server enabled)
08:39:00scorchemagic ;)
08:40:44unl0ckerare the last build patched with 3rd part patches?
08:41:05scorche3rd part patches?
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08:43:21unl0ckerI think I need to patch to show the wps without errors
08:43:36unl0ckerweird, I'm using thodays build
08:43:50scorchethose are patches that reside on the tracker...none of them are included in CVS
08:43:55scorchewhat WPS are you using?
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08:45:39scorcheyou have to use a build with special patches for that theme, as it said where you downloaded it
08:46:03unl0ckerlets read then ;)
08:46:11unl0ckerbut the link is dead
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08:53:33t0dk0nWith themes and WPS themes, can you have two different backgrounds?
08:53:47t0dk0none for each, that is
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08:54:27scorchedo you mean one background for menu/tree and a different one for WPS?
08:54:38scorcheyou can
08:54:43t0dk0nalright, cool :)
08:56:21kubiixanyone here can help me with syncing some patches ?
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09:09:35scorcheunl0cker: sorry, but i am a bit busy atm...please wait until i am free or until someone else helps you
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09:14:24Genre9mp3wow! today's logs is a mess
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09:15:44scorcheoh wow
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09:23:18Slasherimorning :)
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09:24:02jhMikeSbuenas diaz
09:24:15scorchecant say it has been a good one ;)
09:25:22jhMikeSmalos diaz :P
09:26:08jhMikeSwhy not good?
09:28:30scorchejust the freenode happenings
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09:35:55unl0ckerscorche, patched, builded, awesome
09:35:57unl0ckerthx man
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10:07:47Genre9mp3Some more "wisdom" from our chief!
10:07:58Genre9mp3This guy is hilarious!
10:08:13Genre9mp3I knew he was a Quote Goldmine
10:08:35Genre9mp3but I won't add another quote of him...
10:08:55JdGordoni am not reading that post... no paragraphs is to painful
10:09:07scorcheJdGordon: it is worth it though great
10:09:33Genre9mp3have you already read it scorche?
10:09:55JdGordoncan anyone ping ?
10:11:12BHSPitLappypacket filtered
10:11:34scorchei love that guy
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10:13:24JdGordonthat guy is a moron
10:13:35scorchebut so entertaining!
10:13:55Genre9mp3ssshhhh.... be careful how you speak about our chief!
10:14:11*JdGordon logs into MR for the first time in ages to reply :D
10:14:48scorchei wince whenever i go into MR...
10:16:27jhMikeSlordy lord...this guys a frequent critic huh
10:18:59dan_aI think he's right. We've not got the FM radio on the H10 working, so we should shut the Rockbox project down. It's was fun while it lasted, but we obviously can't achieve what we need to
10:19:24scorchewe just need to get jobs so we can know how things should be done
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10:20:47jhMikeSbut they took er jerbs!
10:21:31JdGordondoes anyone have any idea how to redo the bookmark screen so its more logical?
10:21:41*Genre9mp3 thinks that jhMikes is a South Park fan
10:24:15JdGordonah bloody hell... how am i supposed t test on the nano when its battery is dead :'(
10:24:40scorcheyou got a nano?
10:24:44XavierGroh god, moments like these I wish I could be a MR mod :P
10:24:56JdGordonmy sister got one
10:25:00scorcheoh yeah
10:25:12XavierGr"ban" and end of story
10:25:13scorcheXavierGr: heh...i am glad i am not one...
10:25:19Genre9mp3XavierGr: you posted in MR???
10:25:25XavierGrI couldn't stand him
10:25:32Genre9mp3haha... that was unexpected
10:25:39daurnimatori see scorche is keeping the @
10:25:44JdGordonI cant belive there is a thread in MR saying that is not the central place for rockbox discussion!
10:25:46Genre9mp3I was too bored to
10:26:01JdGordondaurnimator: scorche is on a powertrip
10:26:24scorcheit was needed and i just dont wanna give it up again!
10:26:26BHSPitLappythat was an interesting post
10:26:47daurnimatoranyone got a solution to fat32 & >4gb files? (dvd isos)
10:26:59JdGordonntfs :p
10:27:02BHSPitLappyit sure is easy, and useful, to preemptively call all future opponents to your message "idiots" :D
10:27:25BHSPitLappyreiserfs or ext3!
10:27:32daurnimatorJdGordon: i use the drive with linux as well - and fuse etc is a fair effort
10:27:43BHSPitLappydaurnimator, what OS?
10:27:44daurnimatorBHSPitLappy: i run windows ON it :P
10:27:58JdGordonlinux can read/write ntfs
10:28:00BHSPitLappyin ubuntu it takes but a couple minutes to set up ntfs-3g
10:28:05JdGordonand you can get ext3 drivers for windows
10:28:06daurnimatorwindows lives on the drive, and linux needs to read/write
10:28:18BHSPitLappylinux -can/does-
10:28:26BHSPitLappycan't get good ext3 drivers for win
10:28:41scorchehaha...ext3 drivers and windows...
10:28:42JdGordonmaybe not good.. but there are drivers..
10:28:53daurnimatoronly ext2 drivers play nice with windows
10:29:01daurnimator(only linux fs)
10:29:06JdGordonah yeah, woops... ext2 i meant
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10:29:33BHSPitLappywhat linux distro do you use
10:30:12daurn|laptoplive cds - often
10:30:52JdGordonok.. who told me scrollwheel doesnt trigger BUTTON_REPEAT eventS??
10:35:33JdGordonbubbles is fixed in cvs on the ipod for anyone that cares
10:35:46scorchei do!
10:35:59*bluebrother just made a post on MR since ages
10:36:00*JdGordon does a little apology dance for the wait
10:36:01BHSPitLappyI really need to get rb installed again
10:37:30bluebrothercan someone confirm FS #6384?
10:38:28*JdGordon wishes there was a edit box to jump to a FS task on the main page
10:39:03rasherMay I suggest a firefox quicksearch bookmark going to
10:39:20JdGordonacka dacka chargers ipods now?? awesome \m/ o_0 \m/
10:39:54JdGordonrasher: how do you set that up?
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10:40:44Genre9mp3guys guys... please concentrate... you need to flaaaaaaaame the guy, not try to explain things to him! hehe
10:42:47jhMikeStell him to use the fire plugin
10:43:13rasherJdGordon: Just add a bookmark to the location under the "Quick Searches" folder in bookmarks, and make the Keyword "fs" or something
10:44:01bluebrotherGenre9mp3, you think? Was I to explanatory?
10:44:26*JdGordon has no quick searches folder in bookmarks
10:44:39scorcheit can go to any folder
10:45:25*jhMikeS isn't sure if there's a way to do a similar thing in ie :\
10:45:36scorcheJdGordon: then whenever you want to go to a task, just go to the address bar and type fs (or whatever you set the keyword to) and then the task number
10:45:44scorchequick searches are wonderful
10:46:02Genre9mp3bluebrother: Not really...I was joking. But anyway, I doubt if he is in a position to understand
10:46:17JdGordonI want t add it to the search engines thing at the top of the screen.. i know its possible but cant remember which file to edit
10:46:20bluebrotherI'm wondering if he only wants to flame around ...
10:46:27*scorche wonders why jhMikeS still uses ie
10:46:38scorcheJdGordon: honestly, quick searches are much easier and faster
10:46:44jhMikeScause it's there )
10:46:45bluebrotherbut I never understood the people who do so. Simply flaming around is a waste of time imo
10:47:23XavierGra good old ban will do the trick :P
10:47:26JdGordoncool, setup :d
10:49:06JdGordonamiconn: aronud yet?
10:49:26*scorche is waiting for some swedes
10:49:44JdGordonits nealry 11am there time...
10:49:47JdGordonslackers :D
10:49:58scorcheno kidding
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10:50:40JdGordonone more commit and we have a motly green table again
10:50:44JdGordonfirst time in a while :p
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10:51:14scorchebtw, if any of you havent yet, it is safe to turn join/part messages back on
10:52:35HazerAny reasons other than the frequency scaling issue that a 4th gen iPod would be freezing after about an hour of playtime? I've tried a couple of different 'unsupported' builds that have the patch applied and get the same results as with the daily builds...
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10:54:07dan_aHi Gnelik
10:54:39Gnelikdan_a: How are you?
10:55:53dan_aI'm OK. Yourself? How's your bootloader coming along?
10:56:10*JdGordon wishes the commitlog > html script would handle \n correclty
10:56:29daurn|laptopmake a new one?
10:56:40JdGordonna :D
10:57:53Gnelikdan_a: I'm ok too
10:58:23GnelikIt allreade display list of firmwares with navigation
10:58:47GnelikGoing to do autoload now
10:59:32JdGordonwhats the general consensus on the core gui stealing the plugin RAM instead of statically allocating a largish buffer?
11:01:48JdGordondoes anyone here use bookmarks?
11:02:24JdGordonor more specificaly... does anyone know if bookmarks only work for the 1 file? or does it reload a whle playlist?
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11:03:49JdGordon.. fine.. ill just test it out here then...
11:04:27Slasheriamiconn: now reset cookie support for rom image implemented also :) still testing
11:05:28JdGordonrofl @ the usb logo..
11:05:39JdGordonits fubar
11:06:06JdGordonthe image is stuffed....
11:08:21JdGordondoes bookmarkign only work if your playing an unshuffled folder?
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11:09:59scorchehrm...LinusN posted to the when will he come in here?
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11:10:15*scorche taps his foot
11:13:30JdGordonumm.... now...
11:13:46bluebrotherseems he missed the 0 ;-)
11:13:51JdGordonnow now now now now
11:13:54scorcheplease install the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file
11:13:54daurn|laptopscorche: /invite LinusN #rockbox
11:14:16*scorche should have that scripted to whenever someone says -1
11:14:53scorcheah...he is on the network
11:15:11bluebrothereven if someone says something like "function blah return -1;"?
11:15:52bluebrotherbtw, regarding the bookmark screen ... how about having a list of bookmarks? Like the id3 viewer does
11:16:02scorchewhile i am talking about that, i need to have a script that will say "bork bork" whenever sweden, swede, or swedish is said
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11:16:36JdGordonbluebrother: thats what im tihking, but the way its currently coded would make that terrible slow... each bookmark is read from disk, thats why i was asking about the buffer before
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11:17:16bluebrothereach bookmark meaning each entry in the bmark file?
11:17:44Genre9mp3somewhat irrelevant: id3 viewer only supports id3 tags?
11:18:06bluebrotherhmm :(
11:18:25bluebrotherbut that way would seem more logical to me
11:18:51bluebrothera way to add a note to each bookmark would be even greater
11:19:01bluebrotherbut as I'm not using it ...
11:20:09Gnelikdan_a: original firmware hangs up when inserting usb cabel
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11:21:22JdGordongrr... ive been semi-sick yesterday and most of today and had no apetite.. anyway, i have a massive dinner 3 hhuors ago and im starving again already!
11:21:36JdGordonthought youd all be interested :p
11:21:46leftrightthanks for sharing
11:23:10dan_aGnelik: I had that problem the other day. We need to make changes to crt0-pp.S. I've got a way to make it work, but it slows down loading Rockbox, so I'm trying a better way.
11:23:17leftrighthmmwould it be possible to have a more meningful bookmark ?, i.e include the folder title
11:23:42leftrightI find the bookmars to be a bit cryptic at the moment
11:23:45Gnelikdan_a: is it nop nop nop nop?
11:24:20JdGordonleftright: i dont tinhk thats needed, my very quick test showd bookmarks only work on unshuffled folders, so the folder with the track is the folder being played
11:24:55leftrightit is possible to store multiple bookmarks, thats when it gets cryptic
11:25:11JdGordonmultiple bookmarks fo the same folder?
11:25:22dan_aGnelik: The nop lines, and disabling the cache (write 0 to 0x6000c000)
11:25:41JdGordonthe bokmark is placed in the folder.. so why the need for a title?
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11:26:26Gnelikdan_a: can you make diff of yours crt0-pp
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11:33:48Gnelik(Stripping trailing CRs from patch.)
11:33:48Gnelikpatching file firmware/target/arm/crt0-pp.S
11:33:48Gnelikpatch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
11:33:48DBUGEnqueued KICK Gnelik
11:33:48GnelikHunk #2 succeeded at 258 with fuzz 2.
11:36:48dan_aThat looks like it should be OK
11:42:48Gnelikdan_a: Rockbox hangs up to
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11:43:00GnelikWhen inserting usb
11:44:35CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:44:35*scorche wonders if he should just go to bed and talk to a swede tomorrow
11:45:10rasherIs the channel un-registred or something?
11:45:22scorchewhy do you ask?
11:45:39rasherWell, just wondering what's happened
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11:45:46scorchefreenode crashed
11:45:59rasherWhat's the result?
11:46:03scorchebug in hyperion apparently
11:46:24scorchetopics and modes on channels were reset
11:46:46scorchebut bots everywhere are wreaking havoc among other things
11:47:18scorchelogbot was determined to spam the channel earlier
11:47:24scorchebut we got that under control
11:47:47scorche"we" being staffers and i
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11:49:01scorchelook at todays logs...hehe
11:49:40rasherI still don't see why logbot was being killed
11:50:13scorcheit was a nick conflict with a freenode bot
11:50:19rasherFreenode is such a mes
11:50:21scorchethat bot needed to be restarted
11:50:47scorchethey said they will fix the bug and go to a new irc-d in a few weeks
11:52:00scorcheor so i gathered from the text flying by very quickly in #freenode-social
11:52:17*scorche points to nenolod
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11:56:37SlasheriLinusN: hi, now i would really need your bdm.. :)
11:56:56GnelikHelp me. What is the normal sleep deley for list scrol?
11:57:00scorcheSlasheri: he isnt in the channel
11:57:05scorchei have been waiting for him
11:57:09Slasherimade a little mistake when bootloader was almost ready.. forget that reset cookie was set earlier
11:57:11scorche(or Bagder will do)
11:57:18Slasheriscorche: yep, but i think he still reads logs
11:57:34scorchethat is part of what i wanted to talk to them about
11:57:51rasherSlasheri: Did you finally flash the life out of your h140?
11:58:16Slasheriyes, now my h140 is completely dead, not even backlight coming up.. and my reset cookie is apparently not working correctly
11:59:10GnelikIs there any "Artists" can you make Rocbox bootloader image?
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12:01:03daurn|laptopwhat size?
12:01:03Slasherihmm! unless i could short the right pins of the flash memory address line, i could possibly override the cookie
12:01:35scorchedaurn|laptop: yes...choc chip
12:01:44Slasheriyep, it's a "magic" value written to right memory address
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12:01:56daurn|laptopwtf scorche
12:02:11*scorche sighs
12:02:20Slasheriand shorting out the address lines a way that would cause address 0x100028 to be read incorrectly would fix the issue
12:02:25daurn|laptopi was looking @ "what size?"
12:02:33daurn|laptopand wondering "choc chip... wtf???"
12:02:41Slasherihehe, never mind :)
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12:10:46bluebrotherpetur, just tried your properties patch. Long lines don't scroll ...
12:10:48XavierGrdamn Slasheri finally you made it :(
12:11:11XavierGrcant you bring it back form the dead?
12:11:51bluebrotherbtw, how about using a two-lined display? Like the id3 viewer does?
12:12:35SlasheriXavierGr: yes, fortunately i can.. just need to open it up and short the flash chip :)
12:12:51Slasheriand i found also what the problem was..
12:13:26Genre9mp3Slasheri: you always play with the fire this way?
12:13:55Slasherihehe, sure ;)
12:14:15XavierGrSlasheri, you are a flash god!
12:14:35XavierGryou have already escaped bricking your player many times
12:14:45Slasheri:D but i have to wait until tomorrow because i don't have the right torx screwdriver here
12:17:18peturbluebrother: I know... on my to do list ;)
12:17:28scorchemeh..i give up
12:17:54bluebrotheralso quitting the screen seems to be sluggish ... but I guess you already know that ;-)
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12:19:08peturbluebrother: which one? file or dir properties?
12:20:10bluebrotherI press stop to leave the screen, and it takes like HZ/2 until the screen disappears
12:21:18peturright.. will fix
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12:24:33scorcheBagder, LinusN: modes and other items are set, logbot is in and fuctioning...just a cleanup of the logs should be necessary and everything should be back to normal...if there are any questions as to what happened, i am sure it will be on some news, or you can ask me in PM and i can get to answering it when i wake
12:24:42*scorche gets a drink of water and heads to bed
12:30:39*Genre9mp3 does the 7000 forum-members dance!
12:31:36Mode"#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
12:32:16GnelikGenre9mp3 :)
12:32:19*petur checks some news
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12:32:44Slasherihehe, i just "converted" one of my old screwdrivers to torx and it fits perfectly :)
12:39:03Slasheriargh, the flash chip is BGA..
12:39:17Slasherii might still need the BDM
12:40:36GnelikIs there any "Artists" can you make Rocbox bootloader image?176x54x16
12:42:03Genre9mp3Gnelik: There's already an 176x154x16 logo image in the source
12:42:57Genre9mp3it's used for the Nano currently
12:43:05GnelikI know
12:43:31GnelikBut it'l be good to ad d word "dotloader" Samwhere
12:44:19XavierGrSlasheri: BGA?
12:44:56peturball grid array
12:45:11peturthe contacts are below the chip
12:45:14peturnot to the sides
12:45:38SlasheriXavierGr: ball grid array, that kind of packages have no visible pins you could short/access
12:45:59Genre9mp3Ah... like the coldfire
12:46:09XavierGrso in case of failure you can't unsolder those?
12:46:29Slasheriat least that would be the last thing to try :)
12:47:01peturyou can unsolder them, but you need special tools...
12:47:21peturand there's always the risk the pads get damaged
12:47:52blue_lizardbut the chip is ruined then?
12:48:06peturnot always
12:48:17peturbut chances are, yes...
12:48:38peturSlasheri: maybe find two vias to short?
12:48:44XavierGrso what are you going to do Slasheri?
12:48:48Slasheripetur: yep, i am trying to do that
12:48:58Genre9mp3Slasheri: how about a trip to Sweden for your h140?
12:49:04Slasheriand if still no luck, i will ask LinusN ;)
12:49:16Slasherihehe :)
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12:50:09XavierGryou seem very glad to have a bricked H140! :\
12:50:26Genre9mp3as if he is enjoying it or something
12:50:31Slasheriwell, it's only a time when that happens..
12:50:45Slasheriso i am prepared :P
12:51:07bluebrotherobo, I'm interested in that installer thing you mentioned yesterday ...
12:51:11Genre9mp3I would be severely pissed off if I were you Slasheri
12:51:14peturbluebrother: new patch up that scrolls lines and exists fast. If I go the ID3 viewer way, it will add more size as you print more and handle up/down, scrollbar,.... So I'm first looking in moving to a plugin without the user noticing that :)
12:51:40SlasheriGenre9mp3: but i know it can be fixed
12:51:50bluebrotheroh, again the plugin way? I guess this will slow it down when using dircache
12:52:47Genre9mp3Slasheri: I'm scared just to open my H340... just to give you a clue how I see it
12:52:59peturah right, because the plugin gets loaded from disk :/
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12:57:26XavierGrGenre9mp3: You shouldn't be scared, i have opened numerous times all my iriver DAPs
12:58:32XavierGractually they can take quite some stress and work normally again :P
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12:58:56Genre9mp3XavierGr: I know you've done that... maybe I'll let _you_ open mine :P
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13:01:56Slasheriamiconn: hi, do you think i should have used "lea 0x00100028+1,%a2" instead of "lea 0x00100028+4,%a2" if i would want the address at 0x001003c?
13:02:40*daurnimator observes that that the neither actually goto 3c
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13:03:06SiN|CoffeeHi there
13:03:09 Nick SiN|Coffee is now known as SiNUS (
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13:03:33Slasheriups, i meant 2c
13:04:14SiNUSI need some help... my iRiver H320 isn't responding anymore after I've tried to record in .wav ... got following on the screen: *PANIC* stkov pcmrec
13:04:32Slasheripress the play button or reset button
13:05:00amiconnSlasheri: Huh? Why +1?
13:05:00peturpoke the little hole below the build-in mic
13:05:11amiconnThat doesn't make sense
13:05:12Slasheriamiconn: so +4 should have worked?
13:05:15Slasherihmm, weird
13:05:18SiNUSyea, resetting will do it... hope the record is still there :(
13:05:47Slasheriamiconn: that is how i bricked my h140 (forget reset cookie was set earlier)
13:06:15Slasheriand now at line 1365 in the patch the reset cookie doesn't seem to work correctly
13:06:19peturSiNUS: the part that was already written probably is, but you'll need to fix the header and chkdsk
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13:06:45Slasherireset vector for the rom image is at 0x001002c
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13:07:17SiNUSpetur, so it is a hdd problem?
13:07:28peturno, recording code probably
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13:08:02peturbut the crash will not have closed the file correctly.
13:08:05SiNUSah ok. I can afford the loss, but it is horrible when it stops recording after an unknown time for some reason.
13:08:23SiNUSok, that wont be the problem. I can fix wav files
13:08:34*petur will need to check as he has an important recording coming up next weekend
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13:09:00jhMikeSI know what that's about. Wonder why the stack is too small again.
13:09:01Genre9mp3petur: De Mens?
13:09:17peturhow did you guess?
13:09:24SiNUSI was playing at a club 2 weeks ago and had to start the recording 4 times... the first few times it stopped after 25 to 45 mins and then recorded for 300 mins without a stop.... strange somehow
13:09:53peturGenre9mp3: it's a private gig but they've put me on the guestlist :D
13:10:08Genre9mp3petur: I wonder why
13:10:09jhMikeSSiNUS: keeps doing the same thing? I did expand the stack cause I got those at first but it never seemed to go above 53%
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13:11:10SiNUSjhMikeS, I don't have a clue :-/ just installed rockbox few weeks ago and the recording with wav seems to do well when compared to mp3 ( buffer problems with horrible skips )
13:11:22SiNUShow do i expand the stack?
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13:11:48jhMikeSin pcm_record.c, change it to 4*DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE
13:11:54SiNUSBtw, are there any irc clients who are able to connect to more than 1 server?
13:12:12SiNUSoh... I dont have a compiler installed... been a long time since I've coded :D
13:12:28Davide-NYCJdGordon: can you provide me with a testing build for the H1x0? Reffering to the menupatch
13:12:34jhMikeSI find that odd. It should do that same on all players.
13:12:37SiNUSor can I just edit that file in windows editor?
13:13:06Davide-NYCjhMikeS: are you still up? or do you only need like 4 hours of sleep?
13:13:08jhMikeSSiNUS: It's ONLY wav?
13:13:13jhMikeSI'm up
13:13:21JdGordonDavide-NYC: yah
13:13:37amiconnSiNUS: That's a pretty common feature among irc clients I'd say
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13:13:54SiNUSdunno... never tried recording in mp3 with rockbox because it never worked with the original iriver 1.3 firmware either.
13:13:56JdGordonDavide-NYC: which h1x0?
13:14:02*Davide-NYC everytime I log in petur leaves. he must really hate me ;-)
13:14:13Davide-NYCJdGordon: sorry, h120/h140
13:14:28SiNUSamiconn, I hardly use irc anymore... still got an old 6.0 mirc client
13:14:38jhMikeSI don't know how skipping would occur on MP3 unless there's no flushing or something. MP3 encoder is pretty quick.
13:14:45amiconnOn windows I can recommend HydraIRC
13:14:52SiNUSso, which client is pretty easy to use and comfortable?
13:14:55SiNUSah thx :)
13:15:10wehnlostIRC seems nice on linux
13:15:10amiconnOf course there's XChat for windows as well, but it wasn't stable for me
13:15:29Davide-NYCI use chatzilla, but I am not impressed
13:15:36JdGordonDavide-NYC: email?
13:23:21amiconnSlasheri: I think I know what went wrong...
13:24:02amiconnI guess you didn't want to jump to 0x00100028+8, but rather to the address that is stored at 0x00100028+8
13:24:52crwllmIRC does support multiple servers too
13:25:33crwllor any even remotely recent version anyway
13:26:52jhMikeSSiNUS: What'd you do to get the stkov exactly?
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13:30:03Slasheriamiconn: yes, correct
13:30:37Slasheriand jmp (%a2) then just jumped to that wrong address? :/
13:31:05amiconnjmp (%a2) just jumps to the address stored in a2, i.e. 0x00100030
13:31:19Slasherioh :/
13:31:31Slasherino wonder then why it crashed..
13:31:57Slasheriby i just came to the conclusion that now my h140 can't be salvaged without a bdm..
13:32:38Slasherimaybe i should get a nano somewhere in the meantime and do some debugging with ipods :)
13:33:29Slasherih140 was my only, trusty dap :)
13:34:06*jhMikeS wonders if his leg is being pulled
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13:39:23Davide-NYCJdGordon: the menu patch should be target dependant? I ask because I get failed humks when trying to patch and I don;t want to bother you for builds of other targets
13:39:41Davide-NYCthanks for the H120 build BTW
13:39:59Genre9mp3Slasheri: I know that atm you have other problems, but can I ask something about TagCache?
13:40:04Davide-NYCI did a make clean and all that
13:40:08Genre9mp3Eeeer... Database I mean :/
13:40:21JdGordonDavide-NYC: are yuou startoing with a clean source tree? it shuold be fine on all targets
13:40:51Davide-NYCwhat is the most elegant way of obtaining a clean tree?
13:41:05JdGordoncvs up -dPC
13:41:20Davide-NYCI did that yesterday, I will try again.
13:41:32SlasheriGenre9mp3: sure, but i can't do much for it atm
13:41:49Davide-NYCwhat about pruning newly created files?
13:41:59Davide-NYCis there a CVS switch for that?
13:42:26Davide-NYCwhen patching I'm using 'patch -p0 < Menu...
13:42:38Davide-NYCshould I use −−binary?
13:42:46Genre9mp3Slasheri: Do you think would be difficult to have a configurable display format on Search results of the Database? Currently you just get a list with the filenames of the tracks. It would be nice if you could have "artist - title" for example (sorry if this can already be done)
13:42:56jhMikeS?? - guess I'm not going to get an answer to some simple questions as is common lately. let someone else figure it out then. wtf.
13:43:33SlasheriGenre9mp3: do you mean the search by filename option?
13:43:37Slasheriyou can already do that
13:43:38JdGordonDavide-NYC: no, its no binary...
13:43:51Slasherijust edit the custom tagnavi configuration file
13:43:59Davide-NYCso "patch -p0 < blah.patch is cool,.
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13:44:50Genre9mp3Slasheri: no... I mean, after a search (whatever that is), instead of showing filenames, showing a (configurable) format "%artist% - %title%
13:45:10Genre9mp3if the user wants to, of course
13:45:19Davide-NYCI do not want to delete my rockbox-devel directory, but it says that files already existing will be creatied.
13:45:41Slasherihmm, what search is showing you just the filenames?
13:45:43Genre9mp3The user perhaps could configure that in the TagCache.config.. arghh.. Database.config or whatever
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13:46:01rashertagnavi, and that hasn't been changed
13:46:06Genre9mp3Slasheri: eg. Search by title
13:46:15Genre9mp3rasher: right
13:47:07SlasheriGenre9mp3: ok, you can edit tagnavi configuration to show the results as artist - title
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13:47:22Genre9mp3ah nice...
13:47:37Genre9mp3cool that this is already supported
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13:49:14JdGordonhey pixelma, can you try the latest cvs on your ondio and c if the harddisk not shutting down problem is fixed?
13:49:45pixelmaif there was aharddisk ;)
13:50:06JdGordonwell yeah :p aparently the ondio was being naughty?
13:51:20pixelmayeah that's why I only noticed on friday...
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13:54:00JdGordonpixelma: so, yeah, if you could lemme know if its fixed tha would be great :)
13:54:09Genre9mp3Slasheri: In the tagnavi.config it has: "Search..." ==> "search"
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13:54:19Genre9mp3how am I supposed to edit that?
13:54:21pixelmasure - I will try as soon as I get a usb cable in a few minutes (it's currently occupied)
13:54:36JdGordonno prob
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13:54:40JdGordonim not gaing aywhere for a while
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13:57:51Genre9mp3Slasheri: I see that I can easily make a custom view ("Browse by" behaviour) but Search seems to be hardcoded. Am I right or do I miss something?
13:59:12SlasheriGenre9mp3: search works the same way as all other menus also. Please check the wiki page DataBase for syntax
13:59:39Genre9mp3Slasheri: ok, I'll try it out
13:59:43Genre9mp3thanks again
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14:06:59Slasherihmm, does anyone know why 5.5G ipods are not supported yet? (i planned getting one of them)
14:08:27amiconnThere are 2 problems
14:09:04amiconn(1) 5.5G presents the drive as having 2048-byte sectors to the PC (via USB), so the filesystem is 2K-sectors based
14:09:25Slasheriok, so that would mean fixing the filesystem drivers
14:09:47amiconnThere is a patch that fixes it, but not properly integrated yet, and not bug free
14:10:27Slasherisounds reasonable enough.. just some work to make it work, but not too hard to do :)
14:10:31amiconn(2) The 80GB version seems to have a new ata controller. Trying to boot rockbox or ipl on an 80GB model just hangs
14:10:49amiconn30GB only has problem (1)
14:11:39Slasherioh.. is there any specs available for the ata controller?
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14:12:06amiconnPortalplayer and specs don't go together
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14:12:31Slasherihmm, maybe i will just get the 30GB model then
14:12:37Slasheriprobably it would be smaller also
14:13:01amiconnDifference in thickness should be 3mm as usual
14:13:36Genre9mp3why they needed to change the ata controller for the 80GB version?
14:13:51amiconnAsk apple or pp....
14:13:59pixelmaJdGordon: the problem seems to be fixed :)
14:14:21JdGordongreat :)
14:14:22amiconnWhy did they need to present the drive as having 2K sectors? -> same thing
14:14:29Genre9mp3well ok... I mean, could the 30GB version handle a 80GB disk or there is a known limitation on this?
14:17:04JdGordonamiconn: now the ata_idle stuff is fixed, can you have a look at the rtc_ram setting ins the patch please?
14:19:42JdGordonnow more ppl are around.... does anyone know if bookmarks only works for unsorted folder playlists?
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14:26:29SiNUSWooooooooooooohoooooo! It worked!!! Finally a mixtape I am satisfied with recorded!!!! I LOVE ROCKBOX!!!!
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14:38:34blindrockbox doesn't support ogg? I thought it did, but checking the site, I don't see it listed?
14:38:47daurnimatorit does
14:38:54n1son swcodec
14:39:17n1s(not on archos) but where did you see that it didn't
14:39:32Genre9mp3oh... a nice fruity smellin' H300! >
14:39:59blindI was checking the iPod Color manual, under A.1 (Supported Formats)
14:41:52markunblind: " Audio file various"
14:42:00blindahhh, ok.
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14:42:29blindIs there a list of formats somewhere else?
14:42:43n1sblind: well it says Audio file and I can see that it doesn't really say much at all :-) see bottom of this page
14:42:51blindThanks :D
14:44:41jhMikeSJdGordon: could file apis use more stack on the calling thread with your changes? sorry, I haven't looked at them in detail yet.
14:45:57daurnimatorGenre9mp3: nice
14:46:24jhMikeSJdGordon: can any call to open/write/close/etc. use more stack than it used to with addition of the ata_idle_stuff?
14:46:56JdGordonshould there be a difference?
14:47:01*JdGordon is half asleeep
14:47:35JdGordoncallbacks shhuold be kept small because they are called int he ata thread which might not be very big..
14:48:11jhMikeSso it's on a different thread and wouldn't affect pcmrec then...ok
14:50:46JdGordongnite folks
14:50:50jhMikeSjust wondering what could make a stkov in pcmrec possible when it shouldn't use much. stack should be a bit on the large side.
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14:51:48Davide-NYCback in 20 minutes
15:01:43GnelikHa! Autorun is working now
15:04:01Gnelikdan_a: If you have a time please try new bootloader and tell what do you think about it
15:04:34dan_aGnelik: Where can I get it?
15:06:23Gnelikgui and countdown is finisher for now
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15:48:12GnelikQestion from newbie:
15:48:29Gneliki have: #define MAX_LOG_COUNT 10
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15:52:06Slasherihmm, probably i will get a iPod 30GB 5.5G at next week, can't live without a dap
15:52:38daurnimatori'm starting to move on
15:52:50daurnimatordamn my fads
15:54:10dan_aSlasheri: Why not get an 80GB and figure out the ATA controller?
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15:54:44Slasheridan_a: reverse engineering would take too much time :/
15:55:07crwllwhy not the iaudio x5 :)
15:55:24Slasherihmm, indeed :) but those are hard to get in finland =)
15:55:40daurnimatorwhy not port to gmini 402 for me?
15:55:41crwllbut easy to get from germany :)
15:55:48Slasherihehe :D
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15:57:38jhMikeSGnelik: Shouldn't that be strncpy(slog[slogcount], str, 32) or it's the braces missing in the function declaration ??
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15:58:59webguest33was any work done to use the 2nd core of the ipod pp chips?
15:59:59GnelikAsk dan_a
16:01:25dan_awebguest33: I did a bit of work on it, but things don't seem to work the way I think they should. Slasheri's kernel changes also caused me a few problems
16:03:20Slasherii will have a look if i get the ipod
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16:04:30habanahi all
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16:04:46LinusNSlasheri: send your h140 to me
16:05:03SlasheriLinusN: hi :) thanks, i was already about to ask that :)
16:05:15Slasheriwhat is your address, i could send it tomorrow?
16:05:21habanathanks to thi chan, im able to make my sansa target with closed eyes ^^
16:05:27Slasheriand is bare motherboard enough?
16:05:29daurnimatorLinusN: scorche wanted your ass
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16:05:41daurnimatorfor... uh... safekeeping
16:05:56SlasheriLinusN: i was almost finished with the new bootloader and then made a silly mistake in crt0 :/
16:05:59dan_aI've also got a problem with cache coherency - the 2 cores have separate caches, and I don't know how to flush the cache on the PP5002
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16:06:26webguest33dan_a: right
16:06:48LinusNdaurnimator: he wanted my donkey? :-)
16:06:56dan_a(the PP5002 is the processor on the 3g iPod - the only iPod I have)
16:07:19daurnimatorLinusN: donkey/mule/horse/zebra - whatever
16:08:07daurnimatori think llamas will be ok
16:08:13daurnimatoralpacas i don't know
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16:10:33habanais mi4code.c still needed to compile ?
16:10:46dan_ahabana: No
16:11:16habanadan_a : so this could be why my buttons doesnt well work ?
16:12:29habanaeither my cvs update method is not good ?
16:13:01dan_aWhat's the button problem?
16:13:23habanacant up/down normally
16:13:44habanaonly on the first and last directory
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16:14:36*dan_a tests in the simulator
16:14:54habanafor cvs update : cvs update -dP ?
16:15:25habanajust made a new build, and ging to try it
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16:16:11dan_aI think up and down might be jump to the top/bottom of the list
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16:22:11habanadan_a : ok but how do you browse yourself ?
16:22:40habanato test plugins for example
16:23:30dan_ahabana: I changed the button driver to swap BUTTON_UP/BUTTON_DOWN with BUTTON_SCROLL_UP/BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN
16:27:37markunSlasheri: you bricked your H140 after all??
16:28:26Slasherimarkun: yeah
16:28:40Slasheriwith my silly mistake in crt0
16:28:52markunwill you send it to LinusN?
16:31:59Slasheriyes :)
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16:32:20Slasherilets hope he can fix it ;)
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16:41:49habanadan_a : added omn my totry list
16:41:53daurn|laptopany1 around good at html?
16:42:24habanadepends of what you serach for
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16:44:29habanaupdate database is slowwww on 6gb sansa
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17:26:25kapustaanybody out there?
17:27:00kapustai have a small question about the installation, and maybe you can help me out?
17:27:19n1syou have to ask it.
17:28:19kapustathe songs/videos that i have copied to my ipod via itunes, will they remain on my ipod and be displayed and ready to be played by rockbox if i install it?
17:29:11n1sif you use the Database to navigate, rockbox can access your music transferred by itunes but not videos (and no DRM)
17:29:25kapustaok, thanks.
17:30:26kapustacan rockbox play videos at all?
17:30:29tyrionn1s: is there an iTunes / iPod Plugin which will _not_ rename the files in Apples crazy format?
17:30:58n1styrion: I don't know
17:31:17n1skapusta: yes elementary mpeg2 streams without sound for now
17:31:27kapustaoh ok
17:31:46kapustathanks for your help!
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17:35:38sekondchakracan anyone tell me why my mini ipod battery goes from fully charged to DEAD in like, 3 minutes of playing and browsing???
17:37:08sekondchakraIt's happened two times in three days...
17:37:30sekondchakrabacklighting is OFF, too...
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17:41:10spugsekondchakra: maybe it's dead
17:41:45rasherWhat kind of performance do you get in the Apple OS?
17:43:05sekondchakraI can get 4,5 hours in Apple mode...
17:43:17sekondchakramaybe more...?
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17:51:02sekondchakrano ideas...?
17:52:57habanamy file system is completely messed. Do you think a fsck could repair and wich one ?
17:53:12rashersekondchakra: No, sorry. I don't know much about the ipods
17:53:19rasherhabana: fsck.vfat
17:53:22rasherIt might work
17:53:52habanarasher : hi and thanks
17:54:38rasherIt's not exactly the best stuff out there, but if you don't have anything important, there's always mkfs.vfat
17:55:34sekondchakrarasher...thanks for the attempt...
17:55:37sekondchakraanyone else?
17:55:39habana"Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 191." ???
17:56:14habanaew, should reinit my flash
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17:58:00rasherYou're not the first one to get that error
17:58:19rasherrockbox-20060824.txt:13.30.33 # <Sacro> Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 191....hmm
17:58:22rasherrockbox-20061016.txt:09.55.30 # <Slasheri> Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 191.
17:59:17habanaha, didnt notice
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18:00:10bluebrother191 FATs?
18:00:37habanayes, not 911
18:01:00dan_aEwww... I hate DRM'd audio. I bought a track, and I can't listen to it because the licensing site crashes.
18:01:12bluebrotherfor what are 191 FATs useful? *wondering*
18:01:18habanai have too I/O errors when try to delete old folder
18:01:37rasherWell, presumably it's just a popular way for FAT32 to get corrupted
18:01:44habanathink so
18:01:57rasherWhich looks like 191 FATs to fsck.vfat
18:02:22habanamaybe hard reboots made this ?
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18:26:12rasherBackdrop on the remote.. isn't that rather.. silly?
18:27:52Bagderits greyscale
18:27:58Genre9mp3Argh... Where is Paul_The_Nerd when you need him?
18:28:01Bagderabout as silly as on the h100 main screen
18:29:10rasherOh right. Still rather silly (on the h100 as well)
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18:29:28BagderI agree, but then people are suckers for that kind of weird eye candy
18:30:05rasherSmall screen too
18:30:21rasher(compared to the h100 main, which is the closest)
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18:39:21habanadid someone reformat his sansa without trouble :/
18:39:25habana ?
18:40:23Bagderas long as you don't touch the partitions I would guess it works
18:40:49bluebrotherI tried the backdrop once on the h120 ... if the select bar would be completely solid (including the text) it wouldn't be too bad
18:41:00bluebrotheras long as your backdrop is pretty light
18:41:52habanai've seen there's a 20 mo "sleep state". i wont touch it (dont know how to recreate it).
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18:45:54Bagderhabana: you mean the second "hidden" partition?
18:47:10Bagderthe bootloader is in there so it should be treated with care I would think ;-)
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18:49:19sekondchakraI asked this an hour ago...may I try again?
18:49:53Bagdersekondchakra: I don't think anyone knows
18:50:03sekondchakrawhat would cause my ipod mini 1st gen to go from full battery to paperweight in 5 minutes??
18:50:17sekondchakra(I don't think anyone knows either...!)
18:50:24sekondchakrazero suggestions?
18:50:40sekondchakranot even, "toss it out into the street and let someone else deal with it!"?
18:50:58Leareven with the OF?
18:51:13sekondchakra"original firmware"?
18:51:27sekondchakrano, it's fine under Apple... (or at least it WAS!)
18:51:37LearJust thinking that the battery reading possibly could be wrong.
18:51:59sekondchakrais that something i can adjust?
18:52:25sekondchakrabut if the reading was wrong, why would it take a couple of hours of recharging??
18:52:54sekondchakra(It's been plugged in for 90 minutes now...still gulping electrons...!)
18:52:55courtcBecause you need a new battery?
18:53:08sekondchakrawhy would apple run ok then??
18:53:20LearAnd you charged using the OF or Rockbox? What I'm trying to get at, are you really sure the battery is fully charged?
18:53:37sekondchakraboth OS's showed fully charged....
18:53:38courtcHow do you have it plugged in?
18:53:53sekondchakrait's plugged into the (wall) charger−−and charging under apple...
18:55:07courtcHas it done the 5 min thang more than once?
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18:55:34sekondchakrayep. Did it friday afternoon (my 2nd day of installation..)
18:56:41courtcDid the iPod get _very_ hot while running under rockbox?
18:57:11sekondchakrathat would have been a very red flag...
18:57:31sekondchakrayou betcha....
18:57:36sekondchakradiscouraging, too.....!
18:58:34sekondchakraI started it up in the car on Friday−−and (literally!) made it about 3 blocks before it shut down...
18:58:54courtcDo you have iPodLinux installed too?
18:59:14sekondchakra(now i'm curious to see if that would run any better...!)
18:59:18fnord__rockbox runs quite fine on my ipod
18:59:21courtcJust looking for a comparison.
18:59:25sekondchakrawhat gen?
18:59:43sekondchakramine is 1st...would that make a dif?
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18:59:57sekondchakrathis is a "mini"....
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19:02:27ZagnarI am trying to convert a theme for the Sansa e200, and I have a question.
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19:04:20ZagnarThe theme I am trying to convert requires a patch to rockbox to support the x, y offset of the menu list, is this patch ever going to be included into rockbox?
19:04:49bluebrotherZagnar, pretty unlikely
19:05:09bluebrotherfor the future viewports are planned, which will make that unneccessary
19:05:10rasherSomething like it will eventually
19:05:17fnord__the themes i tried suck on the ipod
19:05:23rasherIf anyone gets around to it of course
19:05:57fnord__because offsets of menus and stuff were wrong
19:06:12Zagnarokay, thanks. I guess I will stop working on the theme until viewports is implemented.
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19:08:06habanaBagder : sry, was away. i rebooted on windows and it's noticed in the hard drive manager that the 20mo is for sleep state "mise en veille"
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19:22:20habanaBagder : windows see 3 part, not 2
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19:25:00habanadisk 1 main 5.6Go - second 20Mo | disk 2 a letter with nothing attached (supposed the second hidden partition you call bootloader?)
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19:31:59habanais there a clean way to stop rockbox with sansa (eg not push the button 15 sec) ?
19:33:03habanano, not with a hammer ;)
19:33:08dan_ahabana: Not yet. Nobody has found out the magic that turns it off.
19:34:16Wett_by the way this is better because rockbox often says "no battery, shutting down" ^^
19:35:53dan_aYes. And that's because nobody has found out the magic that reads the battery level!
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19:40:33jon_olafurHi everybody, I managed to put my ipod nano in such a hanged state that nothing seems to work... Holding down play/pause for 4 sec, Menu/select... Nothing works. Do you know how I can make it restart?
19:42:18obomenu+select - make sure you keep your fingers still
19:42:35linuxstbAnd if that doesn't work, charge it for a while and then try again.
19:43:36jon_olafurOK, I was very careful with any fingermotion, no luck...
19:44:07jon_olafurBattery should be at least 3/4 full
19:45:09linuxstbMENU+SELECT is a hardware reset - the only reason that won't work is if the battery is low (or you have the hold switch on...)
19:45:20habanareformat didnt amke troubles :)
19:45:27linuxstb(or your ipod is dead...)
19:45:35jon_olafurIronically it froze while playing the song "Every thing's not lost" by coldpla and that what the screen shows me at the moment ;)
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19:46:01linuxstbColdplay has that effect on me as well...
19:47:01jon_olafurOK, I'll try charging it. And btw hold is NOT on...
19:48:06tomalSorry, I broke the build for several players. I'll fix it up in a moment.
19:48:33amiconnIt's the encoder plugins
19:49:25tomalYes, I did not know they are only compiled for those players. I should install m68k cross compiler.
19:49:55jon_olafurWhat do you guys think will happen after the battery is empty... Will it be reachable via USB when I plug it in?
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19:50:54linuxstbIf it doesn't boot, then you can't reach it via USB - the USB mode is implemented in software, so the ipod needs to be running for your PC to see it.
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19:52:25jon_olafurSure, but if the software is hanging and the battery runs out it will surely try booting when I plug it into the USB slot?
19:53:11linuxstbYou'll find out...
19:53:44linuxstbBut yes, once the battery passes the minimum level to boot, your ipod should boot (or at least, will reset when you hold MENU+SELECT)
19:55:25jon_olafurOK, but I was more thinking of just letting it "pass out" and then try again by plugging it into the computer...
19:56:11Moosamiconn: while you are in plugins, what do you think to go back to classical background on solitaire w/o backdrop?
19:56:48Moosit seems more "natural" with green screen with or without bacdrop
19:56:52jon_olafurOK, you were right! Now I managed to have it reboot by pressing menu+select!
19:57:43jon_olafurThanks a lot mr. linuxstb!
19:57:59jon_olafur... who ever you are... ;)
19:59:29Moosa great rockbox developer ;P
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20:02:35lexlinuxstb: isn't there still a way to get rockbox and apple os to work on 5.5Gs? :(
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20:39:35cool2bdaveI had an issue with an Iaudio X5 button which called other buttons in addition to itself.
20:39:59cool2bdaveI took it back to, they couldnt see the bug in the origional firmware
20:40:09cool2bdaveBut they believed me :o)
20:40:30cool2bdaveThey replaced it, this one has much more reliable keys
20:41:16cool2bdaveSo thanks for the advice to take it back, another happy rockboxer :o)
20:42:43peturlooking at binary sizes is depressing. stop committing please...
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20:45:19haniquick question, since rockbox doesn't support run-time usb, does that mean that I cannot use itunes to sync it?
20:46:17peturif you're using itunes + tagcache (sorry database) then it's business as usual...
20:46:38peturwhat's run-time usb anyway?
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20:47:05peturyou can never access the disk by usb and firmware at the same time
20:47:12haniI suppose that means sync-ing the ipod without having to reset into disk mode, or something
20:47:46peturthat is not related to whether you can use itunes or not
20:48:22hanihmmm, I suppose not
20:49:02peturhaving to reboot to use usb is maybe just a bit irritating, but doesn't change the way of working
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20:49:32haniso if I'm using the default itunes database, the update will just go on normally? (ie. plug in ipod, itunes shoots up as normal, and starts syncing automatically?)
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20:50:42peturrockbox doesn't use the itunes database
20:51:09peturit maintains its own database on the fly (updates after disconnect)
20:51:53peturyou might as well just copy your files on the disk without itunes (which is what most of us do ;) )
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20:53:13hanipetur, thanks
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21:18:20kristinstickleI've been enjoying Rockbox for about a day now, have been listening to music on it without a problem, but... this morning, I added two tracks via AmaroK. Now, it seems as though all of the music on my iPod has disappeared. I've tried updating the tag cache and waiting, but no luck.
21:19:00kristinstickleThe files are all still there. I can see them when I connect to my iPod and browse to the music directory in Konqueror, but Rockbox can't seem to see them.
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21:31:49n1skristinstickle: did you udate rockbox yesterday?
21:31:57n1sor today?
21:34:54kristinstickleNope, not yet.
21:35:09kristinstickleHaven't tried updating. Figured I was fairly happy, didn't want to mess anything up.
21:37:00n1sand you are sure that you have file view set to id3 database?
21:39:37kristinsticklefile view−−show files−− ID3 Database, right?
21:40:15n1syes, that's correct, if you change that to all, can you see your files?
21:41:24kristinstickleNo. Should I try updating the tag cache again, though?
21:42:11kristinstickleIt was working beautifully yesterday. I hope using Amarok to add files didn't screw it up. :P
21:42:17kristinstickleWhat if I were to stop using Apple's original music directory and started using my own? Would that help?
21:42:52n1sdo you see a iod_control dir when file view is set to all?
21:43:31kristinstickleNo. I was sort of hoping I would, so that I could browse to that folder, but no such luck. Just contacts, notes, calendars, and xrockbox.
21:43:57n1sno .rockbox dir either?
21:44:23kristinstickleThere's a .rockbox directory when I connect to my computer and open up the device in Konqueror.
21:44:39kristinstickleBut, not visible on my iPod via Rockbox.
21:45:05n1seven if you set file view to all? if so somethings strange
21:45:20kristinstickleWould updating to a new daily build help?
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21:45:25kristinstickleLet me try file view all.
21:45:55kristinsticklefile view −− show files −− all?
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21:46:23kristinstickleOkay, I now see my iPod Control folder. Cool.
21:46:45kristinstickleAh, okay. Now I can get to my Music folder! This should help. ^^ Thanks!
21:46:54n1scan you lay a file in it?
21:47:04kristinstickleI'm about to try.
21:47:19kristinstickleYes. Weird.
21:47:57kristinstickleWhat was I doing wrong? *feels stupid now*
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21:48:39n1sThe id3 viewer relies on a database that can have some roblems.
21:49:05kristinstickleIs there anyway to fix the database if there's something wrong with mine?
21:49:26n1sif you want to use the database try "initialize now"
21:49:43n1sthat will delete the database and start over.
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21:50:22kristinstickleOkay, I was doing "Update Now". I should probably now set my iPod aside and wait a while.
21:50:37n1sbut udate first, because the database files were renamed yesterday so if you rebuild now you'd have to do it again if you udate later.
21:51:08kristinstickleWhat, update to the new Rockbox daily build?
21:52:02kristinstickleI've already selected "initialize now" though. Will I break anything if I update to the new daily build right now, or should I just wait for the tag cache to be ready, even though I'll have to do it again.
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21:53:23n1swell, you can rename the files too so don't worry, :-) see
21:54:24kristinstickleCool. Thanks!
21:54:44kristinstickleMy stupid problems aside, Rockbox is pretty amazing. I'm enjoying it. ^_^
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21:56:57kristinstickle(I've now got my Database view back. It's telling me TagCache not ready, but that's probably just a matter of being patient on my part. I'll definitely update to the new build today, though.)
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21:59:32n1skristinstickle: try rebooting your iod once the little icon in the to right corner of the screen goes away (your disk stos sinning)
21:59:54n1s(guess which of my keys have given u on me) :-/
22:02:19rasherIs it the key?
22:02:28kristinstickleThanks! Rebooted, and everything's working. ^_^
22:02:57n1sye it's the key :-)
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22:08:20ndansmithwhenever my ipod reboots rockbox forgets its settings and I have to re-load them manually. is there a way to avoid this problem?
22:08:39rasherDo you by any chance have hold enabled when you turn it on?
22:08:44rasherThat'll reset the settings.
22:08:44scorcheare you booting with the hold switch on?
22:08:50rasherI win.
22:09:06scorcheyeah yeah...rub it in why don'cha
22:09:25ndansmithah ha
22:09:59bluebrotherhmm. Why got the tagcache _files_ renamed? It's still internally called tagcache, so keeping the old filenames wouldn't have hurt ...
22:10:50rasherbluebrother: Mostly just because they're mentioned in the manual. To be honest I'm not quite sure why, beyond that
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22:11:28bluebrotherhmm. As that is kind of advanced I'd have kept them. Anyway, too late now ;-)
22:12:17rasherI haven't seen any uproar about it
22:12:38bluebrotherbtw, what's the purpose of the oggmalloc that just got added? Better decoding of ogg files?
22:13:09LearReduce amount of static buffers in the codec.
22:13:17rasherI'm guessing it will make it easier for ifp7xx
22:13:44n1syes 1mb of ram isn't very much
22:14:11rasherTomal's work with it is pretty impressiv
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22:15:56rasherAny technical/design reason the vkeyboard couldn't scroll?
22:16:00webguest10has anyone had any success in getting rockbox to work on a 5.5g yet?
22:16:13scorchewebguest10: 30 gigs
22:16:14rasher(to allow using FONT_UI)
22:16:24scorchesee the forum thread in New Ports
22:16:27webguest10super. I have a 30gig.
22:16:34webguest10cool, thanks.
22:16:44scorchekeep in mind it is not entirely stable yet
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22:16:56scorcheoh well, he should see that in the thread
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22:41:25SoapPeople read the threads?
22:41:54scorcheto some extent...
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23:14:23amiconnjhMikeS: around?
23:14:57jhMikeShanging about reading stuff
23:15:48jhMikeSwhat's up?
23:16:50amiconn(1) Did you check whether my slightly lowered threshold for the button detection voltage causes problems for you?
23:17:44amiconnI don't expect any problems
23:18:04amiconn(2) Do you know why the cpu stays boosted after boot when voice is enabled?
23:18:21amiconnIt's independent on whether a voice file is present or not
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23:24:05jhMikeS(1) I guess I did...didn't see any problems. Did see problems before either. (2) No, it starts with automatic boosting so is caused by the scheduler (I know that much since I put a boost track on it).
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23:34:43amiconnjhMikeS: Re (1). I lowered the threshold because the old one often didn't disable button scanning on my X5.
23:35:24amiconnSometimes it worked; the old threshold obviously was very close to the actual open-loop voltage
23:37:00tyrionhey, i need a recomendation on an MP3 player that supporst rockkbox, that is still in production and isnt an iPod
23:37:09dpassen1iAudio X5
23:37:27jhMikeSamiconn: 2.2V sounds good
23:37:52amiconnThought so. It's the same value I settled for when porting this technique to H300
23:38:02amiconnI had the same problem there with 2.4V
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23:38:56tyriondpassen1: it dosent need a colour screen and cheaper would be better, what about the H10 20Gig
23:39:14jhMikeSamiconn: any idea of the resistor tolerance in these things? 5%?
23:39:33Bagdertyrion: that has the same sized color screen but is slightly less good supported
23:39:33amiconnDon't know, but 5% is a common value
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23:39:59tyrionBagder: but its about half the price
23:41:10pixelmaBagder: it's less than "slightly better" supported - ask our friend at misticriver ;)
23:41:37pixelmaslightly less of course...
23:42:02scorcheBagder: did you see my message to you earlier?
23:42:25Bagdereh, no
23:42:41Bagderah you mean about logbot?
23:42:52BagderI read that
23:42:53scorcheand the general status of the channel. yes
23:43:00*Bagder has a fading memory...
23:43:21jhMikeSnow as far as why the scheduler would fail to unboost isn't clear. I know mp3_play_start calls trigger_cpu_boost and so does Q_VOICE_PLAY but the boost is only flagged the first time.
23:44:49*myzar licks Bagder
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23:45:21rasherDon't do that, you don't know where he's been.
23:45:38*dan_a sprays Bagder with foul tasting anti-licking spray
23:45:46scorcheuh oh...
23:45:57Bagdermy son does that already frequently ;-)
23:46:06scorcheglad to see he licks someone other than me
23:46:09Bagderbut we don't call it "spray" ;P
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23:55:44jhMikeSamiconn: one thing is though, I'd rather scan buttons a little too much than miss them :)

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