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| 00:04:45 | Lars_G | Btw mice meeting you MacIver |
| 00:04:47 | Lars_G | ooops |
| 00:04:49 | Lars_G | markun |
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| 00:05:28 | petur | mice? in this channel? |
| 00:05:30 | jhMikeS | MacGyver? |
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| 00:06:23 | markun | `:) |
| 00:06:39 | Lars_G | Mice are everywhere, never underestimate mice |
| 00:06:48 | jhMikeS | catbots |
| 00:07:15 | jba | argh, snakes, snakes |
| 00:07:28 | jba | sorry wrong small furry creature, that was badger badger |
| 00:07:30 | jba | not mice mice |
| 00:07:41 | jhMikeS | snakes are furry? |
| 00:08:03 | petur | yes, when eaten by mice |
| 00:09:11 | jba | no the badgers |
| 00:09:15 | jhMikeS | usually goes the other way |
| 00:12:25 | jba | jhMikeS, you've never seen badgerbadgerbadger.com (flash site)? |
| 00:12:58 | Kasperle | mushroooooom mushrooooooom |
| 00:13:10 | jba | that's where the argh, snakes, snakes came from |
| 00:14:38 | bluebrother | remembers me of bananaphone :) |
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| 00:16:13 | jhMikeS | jda: Think I need some mushrooms for that to make sense :P |
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| 00:17:21 | jba | jhMikeS, it's jba not jda |
| 00:17:25 | jba | but i get yah |
| 00:17:43 | jba | that's the whole beauty of it though |
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| 00:18:29 | jhMikeS | jba: sorry...my typing stinks |
| 00:18:45 | jba | not as bad as mine, trust me |
| 00:19:52 | Lars_G | I know the kernel is custom, but what is it based on? is it pure %100 in house? |
| 00:20:47 | jba | looks like someone decided to do an implementation of tanabaum's operatings systems textbook kernel and then decided to funk it up |
| 00:21:44 | petur | just a round robin scheduler with recently added priorities |
| 00:21:44 | * | jba appologises for brain fart |
| 00:21:47 | jhMikeS | 100% home grown kernel |
| 00:22:38 | Lars_G | jhMikeS: that's uncommon |
| 00:23:36 | * | jhMikeS is looking at more weebls-stuff now... :D |
| 00:23:54 | Lars_G | weebl rules |
| 00:25:07 | Lars_G | and Bob (normally) obeys |
| 00:25:31 | bluebrother | jhMikeS, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgerphone.php .D |
| 00:25:59 | Lars_G | hmmm odd |
| 00:26:17 | Lars_G | Shouldn't subscribing to rockbox-dev send me a confirm email? |
| 00:26:36 | bluebrother | hehe, wikipedia has quite some links |
| 00:28:23 | bluebrother | Lars_G, I think so. At least I got one when I subscribed ... maybe the confirmation got delayed a bit? |
| 00:28:40 | Lars_G | Maybe |
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| 00:30:19 | jba | hey guys are there any plans to move to a more available embeded kernel in the future, or is that just too big a change? |
| 00:30:28 | Febs | Someone in the forums posted a link to this ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.de/Pimp-my-iPod-iPod-Video-iPod-Nano-iPod-Mini_W0QQitemZ120054643720QQihZ002QQcategoryZ8267QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:31:11 | petur | somebody should inform ebay |
| 00:31:31 | pixelma | what does gpl allow on this? |
| 00:32:00 | jba | hey gpl doesn't say you can't sell software |
| 00:32:08 | Kasperle | if rockbox is GPLd, that's fine then |
| 00:32:21 | Kasperle | if they make the sourcecode available to the buyer |
| 00:32:22 | jba | if they are distibuting source, they are doing nothing wrong, so long as those theme's and images aren't copyrighted of course |
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| 00:32:29 | Lars_G | pixelma: If he tells the user it's rockbox and/or offers a copy of the source or a link to the rockbox page, it's legal |
| 00:32:45 | jba | caveat emptor |
| 00:32:49 | Lars_G | jba: He needs to make source accessible not even include it. |
| 00:32:54 | hachi | they're selling a service anyways... |
| 00:33:16 | Febs | Yes, but their is no attribution to Rockbox and no mention that the source is available. |
| 00:33:23 | Febs | s/their/there |
| 00:33:34 | jba | Febs, gpl doesn't have an attribution clause |
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| 00:33:41 | pixelma | yeah that's my concern - the offer doesn't mention rockbox with one word though I don't know how they handle it after you bought their service |
| 00:33:43 | jba | just the accessability of th esource |
| 00:33:45 | bluebrother | are they allowed to sell it without announcing it's rockbox that gets installed? |
| 00:34:01 | jba | people do the same thing with OOo |
| 00:34:06 | Lars_G | bluebrother: They are, afaik, if they make clear to the user the source is available |
| 00:34:33 | Febs | Perhaps amiconn or someone else fluent in German could ask some questions of the seller. |
| 00:34:48 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe I should "buy" that pimp stuff. Too bad I don't own an ipod (and know how to do myself ;-) |
| 00:35:03 | Lars_G | The license also would allow him to change the name from rockbox to "pimpin-coolio-ipod" and change the name and all sources to match, as long as the sources are still gpl |
| 00:35:20 | pixelma | do those questions appear automatically on the site or has the selle some influence there? |
| 00:35:32 | jba | the only issue is the the theme content, if it's creative commons license then he should be okay, otherwise, the creators of the theme content may have issue with it |
| 00:35:39 | Lars_G | jba: I agree |
| 00:35:39 | bluebrother | but he need to announce the software to be gpl, does he? |
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| 00:35:46 | Febs | jba: I trust you're right about attribution; I haven't read the GPL recently. |
| 00:36:00 | jba | Febs, actually it's been a long time for me also |
| 00:36:23 | jba | but as i recall that's the reason for the main difference between MIT and BSD (attribution clause) |
| 00:36:25 | Lars_G | jba: And it depends on the CC license. you could state he's gaining financially from the themes so if they're "noncommercial" he's breaking lic. also if they're "attribution" he needs to specify attrib somewhere |
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| 00:36:33 | jba | anhyhow, is rb even GPL'ed or is it some other clause |
| 00:36:55 | jba | s/clause/license, I never checked when i dl'ed the source |
| 00:37:02 | bluebrother | he announces to adjust the new pimp-software according to the wishes of the customer. Screams for trouble for the seller somewhat ;-) |
| 00:37:58 | bluebrother | hehe, why not make a screenshot and put it to the official page ... "now Rockbox even gets sold" |
| 00:38:01 | hachi | I've gotten a couple notifications from the rockbox forums saying there are new posts for me to read on a thread, but when I go there I can't find anything new. Anyone know what the deal is with that? |
| 00:38:24 | hachi | also, why doesn't it just email me the post... it would be helpful in tracking what items are actually new |
| 00:38:28 | Kasperle | bluebrother: only the looks though |
| 00:38:49 | Kasperle | re: adjustment of rockbox |
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| 00:40:03 | bluebrother | hmm. I guess the most buyers will dislike the user interface ... as it's quite different from apple |
| 00:40:27 | bluebrother | btw, would be interesting to know if he sold the manual too. And if it's been changed. |
| 00:40:29 | Lars_G | lol |
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| 00:43:12 | Febs | Under the GPL, distribution in executable form MUST be accompanied by a written offer, valid for three years, to provide the source. |
| 00:43:21 | bluebrother | strange. Has anybody looked at the feedback page of the seller? |
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| 00:44:51 | bluebrother | he has one negative feedback that doesn't gets counted |
| 00:46:00 | pixelma | indeed - and that's one of two feedback he got from buyers IIUC |
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| 00:47:57 | Febs | GPL clearly requires that copyright info be disclosed to the recipient. |
| 00:47:59 | Lars_G | So, when will you port Firefox to rockbox? I demand it! |
| 00:48:53 | obo | shortly after acrobat reader, but before doom3 |
| 00:49:32 | Febs | "For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get thesource code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights." |
| 00:49:58 | hachi | you actually can't tell if this guy will be legal or not... he doesn't need to disclose anything to anyone unless they are the winner of the auction |
| 00:50:27 | Lars_G | Febs: Yes that means he needs to tell the buyers the program is GPL but nothing else, not who originally made it or so. |
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| 00:51:07 | bluebrother | Lars_G, but as Febs earlier said you must include an offer to hand out the sources |
| 00:51:16 | Lars_G | correct |
| 00:51:33 | pixelma | hmm no... it seems that the last two feedbacks are just too old |
| 00:51:47 | bluebrother | but I assume he doesn't ship any "hints" sheet |
| 00:51:48 | Lars_G | But like hachi says, that applies to the customer, the one receiving the install and program |
| 00:52:20 | bluebrother | too old feedbacks? I thought ebay doesn't delete the feedback points |
| 00:52:27 | Lars_G | The only way would be purchasing from him. to have his data and see if he offers it. |
| 00:52:43 | Febs | And to distribute the source, you must include "an appropriate copyright notice." But it doesn't appear that the copyright notice needs to be distributed with the executable. |
| 00:52:50 | Lars_G | correct, very old negative feedback is still counted. It's very odd in this case that it's not counted. |
| 00:53:09 | pixelma | bluebrother: I actually don't know - it was just a guess |
| 00:53:11 | bluebrother | it's counted as per the sum but not for the percentage value |
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| 00:53:26 | Lars_G | Febs: No, but it's the distribution of the binary that triggers that requirement. And you're not forced by the gpl to distribute. |
| 00:53:49 | Lars_G | Febs: Also by the GPL he would be entitled to charge as much for the binary for the distribution of the source. |
| 00:54:22 | bluebrother | someone should tell that netzwelt.de guy to buy from him :D |
| 00:54:35 | hachi | I don't know german, or whatever lang it was... but it looked like he was selling a service, not the binary |
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| 00:54:50 | pixelma | haha |
| 00:55:15 | Lars_G | hachi: German |
| 00:55:27 | Chris____ | I believe he said something along the lines of you sending him the iPod, and he puts the software on for you |
| 00:55:33 | Febs | hachi: but the service includes installation of the software, so he is distributing the software. |
| 00:55:34 | Lars_G | hachi: the ".de" ending to the ebay url should tip you off ;) |
| 00:55:41 | Lars_G | Chris____: Seems so. |
| 00:55:51 | Lars_G | Febs: Correct. |
| 00:55:57 | Lars_G | Febs: What is exactly your point here? |
| 00:55:59 | hachi | I closed the window long ago |
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| 00:57:46 | Febs | Lars_G: I think we're saying the same thing. He can distribute the binary, so long he includes an offer to distribute the source. |
| 00:57:58 | Lars_G | Febs: Yep I think we are :) |
| 00:58:12 | Lars_G | And the only way to find out would be buying the service from him |
| 00:58:18 | hachi | you could email him and ask for the source... citing the GPL |
| 00:58:27 | Lars_G | hachi: No you couldn't |
| 00:58:49 | Kasperle | aren't the buyers public? |
| 00:58:56 | hachi | why can't you? |
| 00:59:02 | Lars_G | hachi: He'd be obligued to send you the source or provide you with access to it (simply the url to Rockbox) if he has distributed it to YOU |
| 00:59:11 | Lars_G | hachi: And, you can't force him to distribute the binary to you |
| 00:59:31 | relaxed | rockbox on the nintendo ds would be wonderful. anyone ever toy with that idea? |
| 00:59:54 | Lars_G | He's forced per the GPL to offer access to the source at equal or lower price than the binary to the people he has distributesd the binary to. |
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| 01:00:15 | pixelma | if the questions you ask a seller appear automatically on the site someone could spoil the fun by asking directly about rockbox, or am I on the wrong track there? |
| 01:00:24 | bluebrother | relaxed, I don't believe someone ever started working on it. |
| 01:00:42 | Lars_G | pixelma: Why "spoil" it for him? he's basically offering a service. |
| 01:00:48 | Febs | The questions don't appear automatically. |
| 01:00:57 | bluebrother | pixelma, I'm not sure if the questions appear automatically but as far as I've seen they to when the seller replies |
| 01:01:08 | bluebrother | but I never sold something on ebay |
| 01:01:20 | Lars_G | pixelma: I tell you, as long as he does comply with the GPL, I preffer someone with knowledge installing rockbox for the newbies than the idjits installing it themselves and then comming here to say "you broke my ipod!!!11!!11" |
| 01:01:33 | Febs | You can answer questions privately without them appearing in the auction. |
| 01:01:47 | jba | Lars_G, exactly |
| 01:02:01 | jba | people seem to get caught up in the GPL and miss the whole spirit of the damn thing |
| 01:02:06 | pixelma | Lars_G: I guess some of his potential buyers would install it themselves if they knew about rockbox |
| 01:02:10 | bluebrother | Lars_G, is he really allowed to ask for up to the price as for the binaries for the source? I thought he only could ask for some transfer compensation |
| 01:02:20 | Kasperle | it's just annoying because that guy acts like he'strying to hide the fact he's installing rockbox |
| 01:02:24 | jba | good luck to him if he can make money selling an installation service, that is sorely needed |
| 01:02:24 | Lars_G | jba: It's the reason I normally (save a few exceptions) preffer the BSD license. |
| 01:02:46 | jba | Lars_G, depends on the type of project, runtime -> MIT like, decent app -> GPL like |
| 01:02:50 | jba | for me anyhow |
| 01:03:28 | Lars_G | bluebrother: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDoesTheGPLAllowDownloadFee |
| 01:03:33 | * | Kasperle mutters something about needing a useful BSD-licensed c compiler and scuttles off ;) |
| 01:03:40 | Lars_G | bluebrother: Altough it seems to apply to download only |
| 01:03:52 | Lars_G | Kasperle: Try begging intel to BSD theirs :P |
| 01:03:58 | Kasperle | haha |
| 01:04:01 | Febs | The source needs to be distributed for a "charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution." (Section 3(b)) |
| 01:04:06 | Kasperle | i'd sooner see TenDra work |
| 01:04:22 | Lars_G | Kasperle: Btw the GPL compilers normally have a clause that allows you to license code compiled with them into anything you want, like GCC does so why do you care? |
| 01:04:48 | Kasperle | Lars_G: just because. It bugs me (and a lot of others) to have to ship a BSD OS with GPLed code |
| 01:05:24 | Kasperle | (well I'm not shipping BSD, but you get my drift) |
| 01:05:26 | Lars_G | Kasperle: Meh? a) you're forced to make it available, not forced to include it per se. b) in this case it'd apply only to gcc's source. |
| 01:05:49 | Kasperle | Lars_G: FreeBSD is useless without a compiler though |
| 01:05:58 | Lars_G | so? |
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| 01:06:17 | Lars_G | does it bust your balls SO much to include gcc because it's GPL? I think you shouldn't be doing OSS dude. |
| 01:06:34 | Lars_G | I mean and please don't take this personally. |
| 01:06:43 | Kasperle | i almost did! ;) |
| 01:06:53 | Lars_G | But, even when I normally don't use GPL much for my code, GCC is another person's program |
| 01:07:03 | Lars_G | They, decided to license it under the GPL |
| 01:07:15 | Lars_G | if you dissagree with such a license you're free not to use it, out of your own ideals. |
| 01:07:27 | Lars_G | And you're free to either find a non gpl one, or make your own program. |
| 01:07:50 | Lars_G | Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people eager and happy to pay MS for VS, it's theyr taste and choice |
| 01:07:51 | Kasperle | And free to decide is not as bad after all, as long as it works |
| 01:09:20 | Lars_G | You ARE free to decide, and one of the decisions available to you is to rescind a compiler and have an incomplete or "broken" system because you do NOT want to give over on your possition and you can't or don't want to obtain or make a product that meets your demands. |
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| 01:10:50 | bluebrother | crazy. That guy asks for 5 EUR for installing an additional them. |
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| 01:11:21 | nABTR0N | >.> |
| 01:11:33 | bluebrother | ¿?¿ |
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| 01:11:52 | spug | i wonder if he has permission to distribue those themes |
| 01:12:09 | nABTR0N | O_o |
| 01:12:11 | nABTR0N | orly? |
| 01:12:20 | bluebrother | most themes dont't have something like a license attached. |
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| 01:12:45 | bluebrother | maybe this should get stated clearly on the theme wiki page? |
| 01:12:53 | spug | well |
| 01:13:05 | spug | if they don't have a licence, they're copyrighted by the author |
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| 01:13:19 | spug | and he's not allowed to distribute them by default |
| 01:13:24 | bluebrother | hmm. But does this forbid distribution? |
| 01:13:27 | Lars_G | spug: It depends on the country this happens on. |
| 01:13:35 | Lars_G | spug: In my country, what you say is correct. |
| 01:13:44 | spug | ah |
| 01:13:47 | t0dk0n | Does anyone know of any WPS theme tutorials? I know the manual pretty much explains everything, but it can be confusing |
| 01:13:51 | bluebrother | especially when they are distributed in the internet? |
| 01:13:58 | spug | t0dk0n: the wiki |
| 01:14:09 | t0dk0n | spug: thanks ^_^ |
| 01:14:09 | nABTR0N | ROFL |
| 01:14:15 | bluebrother | t0dk0n, just have a look at some existing wps |
| 01:14:17 | nABTR0N | both 0,1,2,3 dont read |
| 01:14:19 | nABTR0N | is that bad? |
| 01:14:22 | Lars_G | spug: But as well in my country if a creative work has no copyright and it's not registered on the central registration, then each copy is tought to be copyrighted to the person identifying themselves as the author in that copy. |
| 01:14:34 | spug | what country are you in? |
| 01:14:43 | Lars_G | spug: Venezuela |
| 01:14:47 | t0dk0n | bluebrother: I've done that, I get most of it, but I don't get the whole alignment algorithm |
| 01:14:50 | spug | okay |
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| 01:15:37 | bluebrother | t0dk0n, alignment it quite easy ... you just have to use it in the order left, center, right |
| 01:15:51 | spug | Lars_G: but surely, if the author is situated in the US, for example, that person's work can't be used freely in other countries with more lenient copyright laws? |
| 01:16:19 | Lars_G | spug: It depends on the international treaties signed by the countries with the US. |
| 01:16:31 | Lars_G | spug: Copyright laws are applied locally. |
| 01:16:40 | nABTR0N | Found it :D |
| 01:16:45 | spug | aha |
| 01:16:58 | t0dk0n | bluebrother: in some themes, I was trying to fix text alignment with an image, but that's only thing I 'can't' figure out |
| 01:17:12 | spug | Lars_G: thanks for clarifying, i thought the country in which the author comes from was the one that counted |
| 01:17:27 | t0dk0n | the image is placed on the first character of a text string |
| 01:17:43 | spug | t0dk0n: sounds like you need the margin patch? |
| 01:17:51 | spug | or whatever it's called |
| 01:18:12 | t0dk0n | ahh, maybe... hahaha |
| 01:18:14 | nABTR0N | Sirs, i need help installing this thigys to mah ipod-nano cause i want to play doom |
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| 01:18:26 | Lars_G | spug: Copyright is a law, like other laws. Say an american commits a robbery in germany, and is judged for it by the german judicial process. Will he be judged under german law or american law? |
| 01:18:34 | Lars_G | omg |
| 01:18:44 | spug | i get your point :) |
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| 01:18:58 | nABTR0N | copyright is usually overlooked by the government |
| 01:19:05 | nABTR0N | and half of the copyrights are false |
| 01:19:15 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: I disagree with the first, agree with the second. |
| 01:19:18 | bluebrother | Customers, please don't install this firmware just for playing doom ;-) |
| 01:19:39 | nABTR0N | still though |
| 01:19:43 | Lars_G | bluebrother: Oh my, yes |
| 01:20:03 | Lars_G | bluebrother: Still no email from rockbox-dev are you sure you guys are not shunning me |
| 01:20:04 | Lars_G | ? |
| 01:20:19 | nABTR0N | >.> but if you go to prison and there like "hey buddy what did you do? |
| 01:20:22 | nABTR0N | and your like |
| 01:20:28 | nABTR0N | i copied |
| 01:20:42 | nABTR0N | garunteed |
| 01:20:43 | nABTR0N | your gonna be someone's bitch |
| 01:20:43 | bluebrother | Lars_G, I don't know −− I guess you'll need to ask the admins |
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| 01:21:18 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: You're going to be someone's bitch wathever crime you commit... except for child molestation, that normally'd get you killed in prison |
| 01:21:19 | bluebrother | nABTR0N, sounds like those anti-copy clips they showed in germany |
| 01:21:50 | * | MarcoPolo is away: ZZZzzz |
| 01:21:52 | | Nick MarcoPolo is now known as MarcoPolo|AFK (n=MarcoPol@virlet.rez-gif.supelec.fr) |
| 01:21:56 | * | bluebrother still wants to move the doom gamedata to confuse customers :D |
| 01:22:05 | * | t0dk0n <3 zsh text completion |
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| 01:22:23 | MidniteFo | hey giys |
| 01:22:24 | MidniteFo | giys |
| 01:22:26 | MidniteFo | guys |
| 01:22:28 | MidniteFo | sorry |
| 01:22:43 | Lars_G | I wonder if it's micro kernel or monolithic |
| 01:22:47 | * | Lars_G goes check |
| 01:23:03 | MidniteFo | Is the Rockbox team interested in the Zune at all? |
| 01:23:04 | nABTR0N | Ok, i need help when i try to install the firmware and bootloader to my nano it says : generating firmware inage compatible with iPod video>cannot open loader image file bootloader-nano.bin ?? |
| 01:23:28 | Lars_G | Ok I think I'm gonna shoot myself. |
| 01:23:49 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: Did you obtain the bootloader file that's mentioned in the install howto? |
| 01:23:56 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: Is it on the current directory? |
| 01:24:10 | nABTR0N | i think |
| 01:24:15 | MidniteFo | Don't shoot yourself, we need your brain matter! |
| 01:24:35 | Lars_G | MidniteFo: How do you know it's usefull? and how do you know it's not been wasted by useless people already? |
| 01:24:47 | Lars_G | I hate idiots who beleive they can be techs |
| 01:25:03 | MidniteFo | Because your a freakin' genius |
| 01:25:14 | Lars_G | this moron is the friggin CTO of a small ISP and he doesn't knows how netmasks work, and can't differentiate between VNC and Terminal Server |
| 01:25:16 | Lars_G | arrrrgh |
| 01:25:25 | MidniteFo | O.o |
| 01:25:27 | MidniteFo | damn |
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| 01:25:34 | spug | MidniteFo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 |
| 01:25:58 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: then make sure. if you're reading the guide find the place where they tell you (at the beggining) to get the bootloader file, and download it |
| 01:26:24 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: P.s. messaging me is not going to make me answer quicker ;) |
| 01:26:51 | MidniteFo | spug, what is the first step to porting rockbox to the zune/ |
| 01:26:52 | nABTR0N | :D lol i missed that, my bad |
| 01:26:53 | MidniteFo | ? |
| 01:27:15 | MidniteFo | I see people posting hardware information but it's slow on the board |
| 01:27:24 | Lars_G | MidniteFo: Reverse engineering the device to determine the hardware configuration it uses |
| 01:27:28 | spug | MidniteFo: developer interest and detailed hardware information |
| 01:27:38 | bluebrother | by guys, I should finally leave for some sleep |
| 01:28:07 | bluebrother | MidniteFo, new ports usually start pretty slowly. When most of the hardware works it gets pretty more quicker |
| 01:28:11 | MidniteFo | OK, once we have the specs down, what's next? |
| 01:28:32 | bluebrother | MidniteFo, see the NewPorts wiki page. Should have most relevant text |
| 01:28:33 | Lars_G | MidniteFo: Then you'd need to write system-specific parts of the kernel in a new port. And possibly find a way to direct-flash the zune and begin testing. |
| 01:28:39 | bluebrother | anyway, bye now |
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| 01:29:20 | Lars_G | if you break things a lot appart from the direct flashing I'd recommend a Logic Analyzer capable of handling the zune's main bus speed to be able to debug the information traveling from/to the cpu |
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| 01:30:44 | MidniteFo | brb |
| 01:30:47 | Lars_G | Btw depending on the CPU used developing the kernel might or might not entrail you forking the target architecture off GCC and toolchain, and patching/rewriting it to handle the specific model of CPU the device is using. |
| 01:30:58 | Lars_G | before you can even compile the first line of code. |
| 01:31:28 | Lars_G | it's also most common you'll have to write a little or lot of new code for the rockbox bootloader |
| 01:32:50 | Lars_G | Porting an OS or system to a new platform is NOT a light task. Specially if the platform maker is one that is usually hot for using hardware based encryption or drm |
| 01:34:26 | Lars_G | Omg the zune discussion degenerated into a piracy one |
| 01:34:28 | Lars_G | weeee |
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| 01:36:25 | Chris____ | (forum related) Question - Why is it in 'Recent Posts' it says |
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| 01:36:49 | Chris____ | (accidentally pressed enter) "Re: Simple things I need help with" when it links to the Sansa e200 topic? |
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| 01:38:37 | Lars_G | Meh i finally joined the forums to post in the zune war |
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| 01:39:30 | MidniteFo | What's the Zune war> |
| 01:39:31 | MidniteFo | ? |
| 01:39:54 | MidniteFo | Holy Jesus, I just found out a friend from school was just murdered by her redneck boyfriend |
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| 01:42:04 | MidniteFo | NEways, what's the Zune war? |
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| 01:44:31 | nABTR0N | Redneck's huh? |
| 01:44:36 | Lars_G | Good to know you are so concerned about your friends. |
| 01:44:53 | Lars_G | this "war" http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 |
| 01:48:54 | nABTR0N | WOOT it worked, Nabtr0n now owns teh rockbox |
| 01:50:09 | Lars_G | Welcome to the world of geek losers nABTR0N, leave your GF on the porch |
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| 01:50:38 | Lars_G | The other day I told a friend I was using OSS on my nano, and he said WOW and he's a friggin linux maniac and OSS developer. |
| 01:50:46 | Lars_G | I knew then there's not going back for my soul |
| 01:51:01 | Lars_G | Heck I still like Forth and I'm trying to learn Lisp, my sould has been impounded |
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| 02:00:47 | pixelma | Lars_G: nice nick in the forums... wonder if that has anything to do with musical preferences... |
| 02:01:25 | Lars_G | pixelma: Not really, I developed the nick while playing BzFlag years ago because I found it sweetly psycopathic to kill people while using the name "Bliss" |
| 02:01:45 | Lars_G | And if you're asking me for my musical preferences get a small chair and book about one week of time |
| 02:02:14 | Lars_G | I could reduce it to: [everything] - [A very few things] |
| 02:02:17 | nABTR0N | so i just use liek windows media player to copy music to rockbox and it auto-picks it up via the database? |
| 02:02:28 | pixelma | hehe... ok... same here |
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| 02:03:50 | nABTR0N | Right? |
| 02:03:54 | pixelma | g'night all |
| 02:03:58 | Lars_G | If you want an idea, some stuff I REALY like: 80's brit pop, Punk, New Wave, Academic Jazz Fusion, Bebop, Psychedelic rock, Symphonic rock (not progressive stuff)... |
| 02:04:09 | Lars_G | Night pixelma |
| 02:04:14 | rolla | is rockbox 3.1 still scheduled for this month |
| 02:05:02 | pixelma | Lars_G: I just was reminded of that song by Muse |
| 02:05:12 | nABTR0N | Mr. Lars, may i have assistance with the transfer of music to the device? |
| 02:05:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:06:08 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: There are two ways to read music in the player under rockbox. look for it or use the tag database. Both allow you to throw music files in it and play them from whenever you like it. |
| 02:06:35 | Lars_G | ypou throw files in it however you like either as a mounted usb HDD, or via a software that is able to put music in it. |
| 02:06:49 | nABTR0N | Like WMP? |
| 02:07:19 | Lars_G | Depends. I do not know WMP's habits on putting music on the portable. if it's not adding DRM to the files, and it's not mincing the contents, WMP should work well |
| 02:07:28 | Lars_G | otherwise just copy stuff to it, as if it where a usb flash drive |
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| 02:08:15 | nABTR0N | kk |
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| 02:09:41 | t0dk0n | when you go into the file view, is there a way to get back to the wps? |
| 02:10:01 | Lars_G | t0dk0n: what device? |
| 02:10:30 | nABTR0N | :P transproting all my screamo |
| 02:10:48 | rolla | so I guess 3.1 isn't still on track for this month? |
| 02:10:50 | Lars_G | t0dk0n: ??? |
| 02:11:02 | Lars_G | rolla: No answer doesn't means a negative answer. |
| 02:11:06 | rolla | haha |
| 02:11:08 | rolla | ok |
| 02:11:11 | Lars_G | rolla: It means there are no developers to answer you. |
| 02:11:14 | t0dk0n | lars_g: ipod 5G |
| 02:11:18 | t0dk0n | hehe, sorry for the delay |
| 02:11:24 | Lars_G | Btw I think I read on the faq that no deadiines are given |
| 02:11:39 | Lars_G | t0dk0n: If a file is still playing, click the play/pause button and it'll take you to the wps |
| 02:11:39 | rolla | on the todo it says november 2006 |
| 02:11:53 | rolla | aprox |
| 02:12:05 | * | t0dk0n try's that just to clarify ^_^ |
| 02:12:20 | rolla | is there a way to play pacbox while still listening to music? It always stops mine when I open it |
| 02:12:25 | nABTR0N | So can the nano run videos with this or not |
| 02:12:36 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: In theory they can, I've not tried it yet |
| 02:13:12 | t0dk0n | ... I have no clue why I haven't thought about doing that >_< |
| 02:13:19 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: Seems to be mpeg1/2 only, and I'd advice against videos that require lots of CPU (many FPS, large video size) |
| 02:13:30 | t0dk0n | I guess it was my conscious saying that if I click that too long, it'll shut off |
| 02:13:31 | t0dk0n | hahaha |
| 02:13:34 | Lars_G | t0dk0n: It's ok, it's just you need to make it an habit of experimenting now. |
| 02:13:43 | Lars_G | lol I understand the feeling t0dk0n |
| 02:13:54 | t0dk0n | hehe thanks so much ^_^ |
| 02:14:05 | Lars_G | You know appart from some minor details, I find rockbox's UI more confortable to use than Apple's... |
| 02:14:10 | Lars_G | and that's saying a lot, I'm a UI freak |
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| 02:15:16 | rolla | I love the rockbox skins |
| 02:15:39 | rolla | I just wish things like album art were native in the builds so I didn't have to rely on third party |
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| 02:16:04 | Lars_G | rolla: It's more than "skins" for me, some of the choices done in rockbox fit my style more. |
| 02:16:24 | Lars_G | Altough I will make some changes either for me or for everybody to the UI |
| 02:16:54 | rolla | yeah |
| 02:17:36 | nABTR0N | Now can i have some help getting doom working |
| 02:18:01 | nABTR0N | and after that i need help converting an image so i can use it as backdrop |
| 02:18:17 | Lars_G | nABTR0N: Not from me, I've uninstalled doom |
| 02:19:13 | nABTR0N | well then can you help me with the basis for installing any game? |
| 02:20:00 | Lars_G | meh, no, sorry man |
| 02:20:12 | nABTR0N | :'( |
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| 02:27:34 | rolla | is there a really easy way to compile rockbox with selected patches |
| 02:27:40 | rolla | or is it always a pain |
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| 02:28:54 | nABTR0N | Noo my ipod froze! |
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| 02:33:07 | Nabtr0n | ok, now i need big help |
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| 02:34:03 | Nabtr0n | my thigy froze |
| 02:34:06 | Nabtr0n | when i went into star |
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| 02:35:17 | t0dk0n | can rockbox help me with 4 weeks of homework? |
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| 02:35:36 | * | t0dk0n make joke |
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| 02:36:06 | Soultwister | how do i play music |
| 02:36:46 | Soultwister | on rockbox |
| 02:37:05 | Soultwister | do i put it in a folder and browse |
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| 02:37:56 | webguest61 | hi, i'm trying to install rockbox with mac osx, and when i try to download the diskdump and ipod_fw programs, the latter comes up as a text file, any suggestions? |
| 02:38:44 | Lars_G | webguest61: Right click on the link and select "download target as..." |
| 02:38:51 | Lars_G | t0dk0n: No but it can cook for you |
| 02:38:53 | Lars_G | Soultwister: yes |
| 02:39:17 | Soultwister | how do i play my mp3 on rockbox |
| 02:39:50 | Soultwister | just installed it im looking at manuals dont see any on there for that |
| 02:40:04 | rolla | as long as you have music on there somewhere with id3 tags |
| 02:40:13 | rolla | you can update the database and play like that |
| 02:40:16 | Lars_G | rolla: Not needed in browser mode |
| 02:40:23 | Soultwister | i do |
| 02:40:31 | Lars_G | he just seeks the file, hists select over it, and it plays |
| 02:40:31 | rolla | or browser mode |
| 02:40:32 | Soultwister | under gener |
| 02:40:40 | Soultwister | gender |
| 02:40:49 | Soultwister | hmm |
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| 02:41:20 | Soultwister | browse themes is all i see |
| 02:41:21 | rolla | well i prefer the database because its a lot nicer when your on the run |
| 02:41:31 | rolla | when you hit menu? |
| 02:41:35 | webguest61 | lars g: one more question: the manual tells me to open terminal and "navigate into" the rockbox folder.... i dont know what this means |
| 02:42:27 | Lars_G | webguest61: "cd <folder name>" |
| 02:42:58 | Soultwister | im lost |
| 02:43:50 | Lars_G | Soultwister: Read the manual :) |
| 02:43:58 | webguest61 | lars g: i get: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 02:44:05 | Soultwister | i am |
| 02:44:12 | Lars_G | webguest61: When doing what? |
| 02:44:35 | webguest61 | when i type cd <rockbox> |
| 02:44:52 | webguest61 | i also tried cd <users/geoff/desktop/rockbox> |
| 02:45:07 | webguest61 | sorry i'm not very good with these things |
| 02:45:07 | Lars_G | Soultwister: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-930007.2 |
| 02:45:27 | Lars_G | webguest61: the <> where there to denote the value you don't type them |
| 02:45:36 | Lars_G | Ok I go now |
| 02:45:36 | Lars_G | see you |
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| 02:47:00 | webguest61 | thank you, that was helpful |
| 02:52:10 | rolla | is there any way to run java applets on rockbox |
| 02:52:18 | rolla | or port them to rockbox |
| 02:53:01 | * | tehsmo doesn't think many mp3 players would be up for running a jvm.. |
| 02:53:42 | t0dk0n | ipod may be possible |
| 02:53:52 | t0dk0n | but I'm satisfied with C over Java anyway :P |
| 02:53:58 | rolla | yeah thats what I was hoping for |
| 02:54:12 | rolla | is C an easy transition from java? |
| 02:54:24 | rolla | I only know java and like a bit of pascal |
| 02:54:47 | t0dk0n | I hear Java is one of the hardest languages to learn, and C is relatively easy to learn |
| 02:55:00 | rolla | sweet |
| 02:55:03 | rolla | i feel special |
| 02:55:09 | t0dk0n | but I wouldn't know from experience, for I've been too much of a pussy to learn Java ^_^ |
| 02:55:14 | webguest61 | i'm trying to extract my apple firmware using osx and got this message |
| 02:55:15 | tehsmo | java's not too hard |
| 02:55:17 | tehsmo | now haskell |
| 02:55:17 | webguest61 | geoffmac:~/Desktop/rockbox Geoff$ ./diskdump -r /dev/disk3 bootpartition.bin |
| 02:55:19 | tehsmo | that's a hard language |
| 02:55:29 | rolla | I'd say assembly |
| 02:55:29 | webguest61 | oops |
| 02:55:33 | t0dk0n | haskell is interesting though, to may anyway |
| 02:55:46 | tehsmo | I think assembly's probably actually easier than haskell |
| 02:55:47 | t0dk0n | wait, ignore that, I forgot what i meant to say :P |
| 02:55:55 | rolla | really |
| 02:56:10 | tehsmo | I guess it depends on how well you deal with the functional programming concept |
| 02:56:11 | rolla | haskell must be like 0's and 1's |
| 02:56:17 | t0dk0n | brainfuck is the hardest language |
| 02:56:27 | t0dk0n | its like assembly + morse code =D |
| 02:56:35 | rolla | lol |
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| 02:56:46 | rolla | whats a good C programming environment |
| 02:56:52 | rolla | I use eclipse for java |
| 02:57:00 | jba | hey jhMikeS what country are you in, you seem to have been on for 24 hours straight |
| 02:57:07 | t0dk0n | rolla: hmm, I take it you're a windows user? |
| 02:57:14 | rolla | yeah :S |
| 02:57:26 | t0dk0n | ah, I don't know much about environements |
| 02:57:38 | t0dk0n | for C, I just use GCC to compile it, and a text editor to code it 8-) |
| 02:57:47 | t0dk0n | which is linux stuff |
| 02:57:52 | rolla | text editor :P |
| 02:57:56 | rolla | ur brave |
| 02:58:15 | rolla | once you code in an environment you'll never go back |
| 02:58:57 | t0dk0n | that might just depend on how you learn it :P |
| 02:59:05 | tehsmo | depends, I like to use my text editor too much. |
| 02:59:09 | t0dk0n | same here |
| 02:59:11 | rolla | I suppose |
| 02:59:13 | tehsmo | no environment could ever be as much fun unless it used a modal design |
| 02:59:32 | tehsmo | which isn't going to happen in an IDE, it's not a popular editing model |
| 02:59:40 | rolla | :O eclipse can code C and C++!! |
| 02:59:50 | rolla | yay! |
| 02:59:51 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 02:59:58 | rolla | now to figure out how to get it to work... |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:47 | t0dk0n | rolla: there's many good tutorials to learn C |
| 03:01:05 | t0dk0n | http://www.cprogramming.com/ |
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| 03:01:17 | t0dk0n | that's where I learned ^_^ |
| 03:01:35 | rolla | cool, I'm in a CS class for java at my high school |
| 03:02:01 | t0dk0n | CS? |
| 03:03:13 | ogi | Hello everyone! |
| 03:03:28 | rolla | computer science |
| 03:03:51 | t0dk0n | ahhh, I was thinking photoshop or counter strike (yeah, right) :) |
| 03:04:02 | t0dk0n | hello ogi |
| 03:04:16 | ogi | Just to ask, I joined the rockbox wiki, but before I can make any edits, I need to get write access, who do I have to talk too regarding that? |
| 03:05:23 | rolla | haha yeah if I didn't know what cs was those two would definately pop in my head |
| 03:07:08 | rolla | g2g nice talkin to yah |
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| 03:08:48 | webguest61 | anyone have a link for the page describing how to change from a mac formatted partition to FAT32? |
| 03:09:33 | ogi | btw, anyone using rockbox successfully with an ipod 3g? I have been having some issues (build 27.11.06) |
| 03:09:35 | ogi | hmm |
| 03:09:37 | ogi | which OS? |
| 03:10:44 | webguest61 | osx |
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| 03:12:56 | ogi | hmm... I can't say I have done it on osx |
| 03:13:03 | webguest61 | nevermind, found a link |
| 03:13:04 | webguest61 | thanks |
| 03:13:09 | ogi | cool |
| 03:13:14 | ogi | gd luck |
| 03:13:14 | ogi | lol |
| 03:13:47 | Soultwister | dam if i dint happen to run into the player id never find it |
| 03:14:51 | ogi | ? |
| 03:15:18 | Soultwister | how to play music on rockbox |
| 03:15:23 | ogi | well |
| 03:15:45 | ogi | you browse the folders, when you come across a music file, just click on it |
| 03:16:00 | ogi | I have a folder in my root dir called "Music" and in there I put all the music |
| 03:16:16 | ogi | then just go there, and just click on a music file |
| 03:16:18 | Soultwister | well i did it through id tags |
| 03:16:38 | ogi | ah |
| 03:16:58 | Soultwister | is there any cool plugins anyone |
| 03:17:14 | Soultwister | like for playing videos |
| 03:17:20 | Soultwister | or a game |
| 03:17:43 | Soultwister | or even veiwing photos |
| 03:17:46 | ogi | well, have you set your "Show files" option to "ID3 database" |
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| 03:17:57 | Soultwister | yes i did |
| 03:18:18 | ogi | and you have built/initialised the database? |
| 03:18:34 | Soultwister | yes thats right |
| 03:18:41 | Soultwister | sure did |
| 03:19:02 | ogi | well, that should be it, on my player it shows up the database, and can select by album/artist/Genre/etc... |
| 03:19:12 | Soultwister | yep me to |
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| 03:19:37 | Soultwister | now i wanna try new plugins and try videos 5th gen 60 gig |
| 03:19:58 | ogi | well, just browse those, lets say album, then pick a song |
| 03:20:10 | ogi | cool, I got a 5th gen video too, 30g |
| 03:20:20 | Soultwister | can i make it boot to rockbox default |
| 03:20:24 | ogi | video support does not work to my knowledge |
| 03:20:24 | Captain_Apathy | quick question: my 5g ipod is frozen to the point where I can't reboot rockbox, is there another way to reboot? |
| 03:20:37 | ogi | my one already does |
| 03:20:43 | ogi | it should by default |
| 03:20:58 | Captain_Apathy | it's not responding to the button commands and won't scroll either |
| 03:20:59 | ogi | and yes, hit menu + middle button and hold for a few secs |
| 03:20:59 | Soultwister | middle button and menu hold for 5 sec |
| 03:21:05 | ogi | that should reset it |
| 03:21:09 | Soultwister | lol |
| 03:21:35 | ogi | lol |
| 03:21:36 | tehsmo | ogi: gets points for speed, but Soultwister gets points for precision |
| 03:21:37 | Soultwister | or connect if u can to pc and restore start over |
| 03:21:50 | Captain_Apathy | sweet jesus, thanks |
| 03:21:57 | tehsmo | (assuming 5 seconds wasn't give or take) ;) |
| 03:22:02 | Soultwister | hallalua |
| 03:22:18 | Captain_Apathy | it's a xmas miracle |
| 03:22:21 | ogi | lol |
| 03:22:33 | Captain_Apathy | once again, thanks |
| 03:22:46 | Soultwister | np |
| 03:22:53 | ogi | ditto |
| 03:23:33 | Soultwister | so can i make rockbox my default boot and maybe boot to ipod by pressing left |
| 03:23:45 | Soultwister | like ipl |
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| 03:24:04 | ogi | if you hold the menu button while booting it will load the original firmware |
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| 03:24:17 | Soultwister | dont like option screen keeps people out of my ipod info |
| 03:24:24 | | Part Captain_Apathy |
| 03:24:35 | | Part t0dk0n |
| 03:24:57 | Soultwister | got personal info for me noone elese |
| 03:25:14 | Bratsche | Hi. I was wondering if someone could lend a hand in installing Rockbox for an iPod. |
| 03:25:29 | Soultwister | rockbox x awsome way |
| 03:25:41 | ogi | NOTE: press "play/pause" for 2 seconds at the boot prompt to load the original ipod firmware |
| 03:25:42 | Soultwister | through windows |
| 03:25:58 | ogi | thats what I get for trying to help at 2am, lol |
| 03:26:06 | Soultwister | oh sorry |
| 03:26:15 | Soultwister | i appreciate your help |
| 03:26:27 | Soultwister | thanks ogi |
| 03:26:29 | ogi | no probs, just making some silly mistakes |
| 03:26:35 | Soultwister | e2 |
| 03:26:56 | ogi | it wasn't directed at you, rather at the mistake |
| 03:26:56 | ogi | lol |
| 03:27:09 | Soultwister | so is there a boot loader for booting right into rockbox without option screen |
| 03:27:14 | ogi | does anyone have any idea about getting write access to the wiki |
| 03:27:47 | ogi | what option screen? on the ipod, I get the apple logo, if you hit "play/pause" and hold, it will boot the original apple firmware, if you do nothing, it boots rockbox |
| 03:28:30 | Soultwister | ya i dont want option screen |
| 03:28:30 | ogi | at least on my 5g and a 3g I'm flashing |
| 03:28:41 | ogi | you mean the apple logo bootup? |
| 03:28:45 | Soultwister | ya |
| 03:29:07 | ogi | you can't, thats part of the apple initialisation, before the rockbox bootloader has a chance |
| 03:29:13 | ogi | to do anything about it |
| 03:29:14 | Soultwister | it gives me an option of apple or rock i dont want that |
| 03:29:28 | ogi | its like the computer BIOS POST |
| 03:29:42 | ogi | now about disabling the apple firmware, so you cant switch |
| 03:29:47 | Soultwister | i want it to go right to rockbox with out option |
| 03:29:48 | ogi | I don't know, it might be possible |
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| 03:30:02 | ogi | I presume you just build the bootloader without the apple firmware |
| 03:30:25 | tehsmo | hmm, rockbox supports the 5th gen video ipods, does that include the 60gb one? |
| 03:30:30 | Soultwister | yes |
| 03:30:34 | tehsmo | cool |
| 03:30:40 | Soultwister | would i have re install |
| 03:30:52 | Soultwister | to do what i want |
| 03:31:02 | Soultwister | works on mine |
| 03:31:12 | ogi | not rockbox, but yes to the bootloader |
| 03:31:34 | ogi | @tehsmo, works on my 30g 5th gen like a charm |
| 03:31:43 | Bratsche | So, what would be wrong if ipodpatcher can't find the ipod? |
| 03:31:47 | Soultwister | cool so just over right it with installer |
| 03:31:56 | ogi | not so easy |
| 03:32:02 | ogi | I don't know how to do it |
| 03:32:20 | ogi | but why do you want to prevent the option? unless you press the button it will not come up |
| 03:32:21 | tehsmo | cool stuff, I'm probably going to get a 60gb and put rockbox on it |
| 03:32:25 | ogi | and it takes the same space no matter what |
| 03:32:34 | * | tehsmo was going to get an iaudix x5, but was scared away by stories of terrible customer service |
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| 03:32:58 | ogi | lol |
| 03:33:25 | Soultwister | well if i borrow my ipod to a freind i dont want them to know how to get my ipod it has personal info for my eyes only |
| 03:33:25 | ogi | my ipod was a gift, but I was planning on getting one older for rockbox, wanted good flac/ogg player |
| 03:33:50 | ogi | the ipod is seen as a hard disk to any computer you connect to it, and everything is browsable |
| 03:33:57 | ogi | removing the apple firmware will not prevent that |
| 03:35:25 | ogi | @tehsmo: note that there is quite a bit of work until the ipod is fully utilised, it works great as it is, but it can get better, especially when support for the second ARM core is ironed out |
| 03:35:36 | tehsmo | ah |
| 03:35:36 | Soultwister | i know but they anint going look at my ipod with a computer |
| 03:36:09 | Soultwister | there just gonna use it when im around |
| 03:36:30 | ogi | @tehsmo: but for the moment, music playback is great (flac/ogg/mp3 tested here) but with no video playback support, no TV out and limited recording (line in from what I hear it) |
| 03:36:33 | ogi | well |
| 03:36:40 | tehsmo | well, that's fine |
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| 03:36:54 | ogi | @tehsmo, it can only get better |
| 03:36:57 | ogi | lol |
| 03:37:02 | tehsmo | I just want an mp3 player that uses the filesystem |
| 03:37:14 | tehsmo | as opposed to proprietary software |
| 03:37:26 | ogi | @Soultwister: well, they can access the same no matter which firmware they use |
| 03:37:37 | ogi | in fact, the rockbox firmware will allow greater access to files, than the ipod one |
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| 03:37:44 | ogi | as it has a filebrowser builtin |
| 03:37:44 | tehsmo | right |
| 03:37:53 | tehsmo | iirc you can't play stuff from the apple firmware unless it was copied with itunes |
| 03:38:01 | tehsmo | or an equivalent |
| 03:38:03 | ogi | nope |
| 03:38:33 | ogi | but from what I gather, Soultwister is worried that someone can view personal files of some sort if he lends his ipod to someone |
| 03:39:12 | ogi | (unless I misunderstood him) |
| 03:39:26 | tehsmo | indeed ..perhaps he should look into encryption schemes |
| 03:40:02 | ogi | yeah that could work |
| 03:40:47 | ogi | I am happy with my ipod I have to say, primarily because of the hardware |
| 03:40:50 | tehsmo | ooh, a sudoku plugin |
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| 03:40:55 | ogi | hehehehe |
| 03:41:01 | ogi | every day I play that on the train to uni |
| 03:41:02 | ogi | lol |
| 03:41:18 | ogi | but now I loaded pacman |
| 03:41:25 | ogi | what an addictive game dammit |
| 03:42:49 | ogi | |
| 03:43:10 | ogi | hmm... 3g ipod support is not too good i see |
| 03:43:38 | ogi | it has locked up again |
| 03:44:15 | ogi | actually one of the reasons I wanted write permission on the wiki is so I can write about my experiences with the 3G ipod |
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| 03:44:55 | banana | hello |
| 03:45:00 | ogi | hello |
| 03:45:17 | banana | could someone help me with the ipodpatcher program? |
| 03:45:43 | ogi | sorry, not me, don't use the program |
| 03:46:00 | banana | yeah, i'm just trying to install rockbox |
| 03:46:21 | ogi | I can try |
| 03:46:24 | ogi | whats the problem? |
| 03:47:10 | banana | well, from what i can tell, the computer can't find the ipod |
| 03:47:34 | banana | i think you need the number for installing the bootloader. |
| 03:47:43 | banana | and that's what the ipodpatcher.exe is for |
| 03:48:23 | ogi | I presume the ipodpatcher patches the ipod to run both rockbox and the apple firmware |
| 03:48:31 | ogi | you are running windows, right? |
| 03:48:34 | banana | probably. |
| 03:48:44 | banana | yes, windows me, which probably is the problem. |
| 03:48:49 | ogi | lol |
| 03:49:12 | ogi | well, what interface? (and what ipod) |
| 03:49:16 | ogi | usb or firewire? |
| 03:49:26 | banana | it's a 2G ipod mini on usb |
| 03:49:30 | ogi | ok |
| 03:49:36 | ogi | and windows does not detect it at all? |
| 03:49:56 | banana | well, windows does. |
| 03:49:59 | ogi | does it appear on iTunes? or as a removable disk (under the removable devices taskbar icon) |
| 03:50:07 | banana | it shows up in explorer, yes, as a removable disk |
| 03:50:13 | banana | that's all normal. |
| 03:50:17 | ogi | gd gd |
| 03:50:28 | ogi | where does it all go wrong? |
| 03:50:31 | banana | ok |
| 03:50:46 | banana | so, the wiki says you need to find a number that's assigned to your ipod in order to run the ipodpatcher program |
| 03:50:57 | ogi | i see |
| 03:51:09 | banana | by typing in the command prompt "ipodpatcher 0", "ipodpatcher 1" etc |
| 03:51:13 | banana | up to 26 |
| 03:51:49 | banana | those commands don't do anything |
| 03:53:34 | SoapIsOutOfTown | don't do anything at all? |
| 03:53:54 | ogi | have you set the ipod as "disk mode" under itunes |
| 03:54:12 | SoapIsOutOfTown | He sees it in Windows Explorer |
| 03:54:23 | ogi | ok |
| 03:54:23 | banana | Yes, it's set in disk mode |
| 03:54:29 | ogi | just checking |
| 03:54:32 | banana | And yes, I see it in explorer |
| 03:54:58 | SoapIsOutOfTown | so what is the _exact_ output when you do ipodpatcher 1 ? |
| 03:56:00 | banana | [info] reading partition table from\\.\PhysicalDrive1 error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. |
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| 03:56:39 | SoapIsOutOfTown | what version of windows? |
| 03:56:48 | SoapIsOutOfTown | 98/ME? |
| 03:56:54 | banana | ME, yes. |
| 03:57:16 | banana | unfortunately. |
| 03:57:19 | SoapIsOutOfTown | I'm not sure, but I suspect that is your problem. |
| 03:57:22 | ogi | lol |
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| 03:57:40 | banana | ok. |
| 03:57:48 | tehsmo | you could try running a bootable knoppix cd to do the install, if you don't want to change OS's permanently |
| 03:58:14 | banana | yeah |
| 03:58:46 | ogi | is it me or does it seem easier to do on linux? |
| 03:59:52 | ogi | understandably, windows me is not the best of windows OS's |
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| 04:00:48 | banana | Yes, I'm planning on buying a new computer soon. Until then, I'm stuck. |
| 04:01:20 | ogi | what do you have? perhaps an upgrade (downgrade?) to windows 2000 would not be a bad idea |
| 04:01:29 | ogi | and should work on similar hardware |
| 04:01:37 | SoapIsOutOfTown | I gotta run, but check the wiki instructions, I don't recall if you need Windows NT or not, I'm thinking for some reason you do. |
| 04:01:49 | banana | OK. |
| 04:01:52 | banana | thanks for your help. |
| 04:01:56 | SoapIsOutOfTown | ogi: 2K is the peak of Windows, it is never a downgrade. ;) |
| 04:02:10 | ogi | hehehe, its the only version I ever run |
| 04:02:10 | ogi | lol |
| 04:02:21 | SoapIsOutOfTown | and, yes, 2K will work on most any computer 98/ME will, often better. |
| 04:02:41 | ogi | but I think it would be classed as a downgrade, as it was released before ME |
| 04:02:43 | SoapIsOutOfTown | But banana has proven he is a good boy and not pirating windows, for no warez monkey would be caught dead with ME. |
| 04:02:50 | ogi | hahahahaha |
| 04:02:56 | ogi | lol |
| 04:03:05 | banana | oh, I can't imagine why you would pirate ME. |
| 04:03:10 | ogi | sadism? |
| 04:03:12 | banana | It would be like shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 04:03:17 | banana | lol, most likely. |
| 04:03:26 | SoapIsOutOfTown | ogi: 2K is NT, ME is 98+themes and more USB support. There is no way 2K is a downgrade. |
| 04:03:34 | SoapIsOutOfTown | 2k is still supported, ME is not. |
| 04:03:55 | ogi | wasn't ME some attempt at merging NT and win98 into a "home" NT version |
| 04:04:06 | ogi | hence getting rid of the DOS base ? |
| 04:04:06 | banana | I think so. |
| 04:04:16 | SoapIsOutOfTown | no, ME was released, IIRC, for home use because XP was late. |
| 04:04:26 | banana | but anyways, I'm off to try a live CD. |
| 04:04:28 | SoapIsOutOfTown | XP was the merging of NT and home. |
| 04:04:29 | ze | i thought ME was just win98 with some extra garbage to make it seem new |
| 04:04:29 | banana | thanks a lot. |
| 04:04:31 | scorche | still wrong |
| 04:04:33 | ogi | I see |
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| 04:04:37 | ogi | lol |
| 04:04:57 | scorche | there were 2 different projects at redmond...NT (2000) and ME (old system) |
| 04:05:16 | scorche | the developers were split as to which route they should go |
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| 04:05:41 | ogi | heya |
| 04:05:50 | SoapIsOutOfTown | where did you read that? ME was the year 2000 release of the 9x line just-in-time-for-christmas. |
| 04:06:02 | scorche | i didnt read that |
| 04:06:16 | scorche | that is from a friend i have that used to work for M$ |
| 04:06:36 | SoapIsOutOfTown | I think the plan was always to move the home users to the NT side eventually, just that the transfer came to late for the marketing department, so ME was pushed out the door. |
| 04:07:04 | SoapIsOutOfTown | for ME has no structural changes over 98 |
| 04:07:13 | scorche | i know |
| 04:08:09 | scorche | as i said...the devs were split...the NT group, and the 9x group who didnt want to switch over to NT...of course both groups thought the other was better |
| 04:08:39 | scorche | s/the other was/themselves were |
| 04:08:54 | scorche | still not right, but you get it |
| 04:09:18 | ogi | what were the benefits of 9x ? |
| 04:09:33 | scorche | heh....not DOS |
| 04:09:40 | ogi | lol |
| 04:09:51 | scorche | well, not totally on DOS |
| 04:09:56 | ogi | didn't ME get rid of DOS as the base? |
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| 04:10:33 | SoapIsOutOfTown | no, ME was still DOS based, but didn't boot through DOS (unlike 98) to boot faster. |
| 04:10:48 | ogi | what did it boot from? I thought that was the NT bit |
| 04:11:39 | SoapIsOutOfTown | they simply bypassed real dos mode, and bastardised the minimal they needed to boot ME, leaving you the worst of both worlds. |
| 04:12:07 | ogi | I see |
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| 04:12:31 | ogi | cool info, always something new to learn |
| 04:12:45 | webguest59 | hohoh |
| 04:12:47 | ogi | so did ME have any redeeming features at all? |
| 04:12:54 | scorche | not really |
| 04:13:04 | scorche | there is a reason they named it ME |
| 04:13:10 | scorche | Mistake Edition |
| 04:13:14 | ogi | lol |
| 04:13:49 | SoapIsOutOfTown | They gave ME many of the little features from 2k - UPnP, system restore, little crap like that. |
| 04:13:54 | ogi | yeah |
| 04:14:18 | ogi | a laptop I bought came with ME when it was new |
| 04:14:20 | SoapIsOutOfTown | ME looked like 2k more than 98, I don't believe it could do the transparencies 2K could do. |
| 04:14:38 | ogi | hmm |
| 04:14:40 | ogi | yeah |
| 04:15:00 | ogi | my experience with ME on that laptop guaranteed it was wiped in favour of 2k almost instantly |
| 04:16:33 | ogi | btw, anyone know who to talk to about getting write access on the rockbox wiki? (sorry for repeatadly asking) |
| 04:16:50 | scorche | anyone who has write access already |
| 04:17:02 | ogi | so... who has write acces? =P |
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| 04:17:07 | ogi | *accces |
| 04:17:10 | scorche | many people |
| 04:17:22 | * | scorche points to SoapIsOutOfTown ...im busy =P |
| 04:17:25 | ogi | lol |
| 04:17:34 | ogi | so how do I know who to ask |
| 04:17:35 | SoapIsOutOfTown | SoapIsOutOfTown IS |
| 04:17:43 | ogi | do you have write access? |
| 04:17:53 | SoapIsOutOfTown | yea I do, are you registered? |
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| 04:17:57 | ogi | yeah |
| 04:18:03 | SoapIsOutOfTown | Name? |
| 04:18:20 | ogi | Ognen Bezanov |
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| 04:20:24 | SoapIsOutOfTown | Do you agree by signing on the dotted line that you are not a spammer, never will spam, that all content you post to the wiki will be intelectually stimulating, slightly erotic, and totaly of help to all others who choose to partake in RockBox The Experience, hereafter known as RTE, and that you release all rights to your work to the community to do with as they will, and that only valuable information will be posted in a style consistant with |
| 04:20:24 | SoapIsOutOfTown | existing pages and that Soap shall have final say over what is for dinner? |
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| 04:20:42 | ogi | lol |
| 04:20:43 | ogi | yes |
| 04:20:56 | scorche | dont forget i get his first-born |
| 04:20:58 | ogi | (I will try making 3G notes a bit erotic, no guarantees though) |
| 04:21:00 | ogi | lol |
| 04:22:28 | SoapIsOutOfTown | which page scorche? |
| 04:22:38 | scorche | hrm? |
| 04:23:18 | SoapIsOutOfTown | which page do I add him to? |
| 04:23:24 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup |
| 04:23:31 | scorche | ...you should know that |
| 04:24:05 | SoapIsOutOfTown | yea |
| 04:25:12 | SoapIsOutOfTown | the deed should be done |
| 04:25:26 | ogi | yay! |
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| 04:28:55 | ogi | back! |
| 04:29:04 | ogi | seems ok, currently adding my ipod 3G experience |
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| 04:33:07 | ogi | hey, all ok. thanks alot =) |
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| 07:45:57 | webguest45 | hi folks....is there anyone aorund who's responsible for the website? |
| 07:46:44 | scorche | webguest45: what do you need? |
| 07:48:30 | webguest45 | i expierenced that the links to twiki and cvs point to the wrong target's at some point of the site.....can't reproduce it.....searching *argh* |
| 07:49:02 | scorche | om...alright.. |
| 07:49:26 | scorche | well, let me know if there is a problem |
| 07:49:36 | webguest45 | i'll do..... |
| 07:50:35 | webguest45 | cvs pointed to download.rockbox.org/cvs.html which caused 404 but i can't find it by now... |
| 07:52:36 | webguest45 | oh and forums.rockbox.org takes really long |
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| 07:53:27 | webguest45 | *shrug* gotta go now.....i'll check this later |
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| 09:36:43 | webguest13 | Hi, yesterday I observed a weird behaviour on my H120 (with the most recent build). I played an mp3 file, then went to the pitch screen and set it to 105% (the exact value doesn't matter), then returned to the WPS and jumped to the start of the song (pressed left). There was no music and the progress bar advanced very quickly, and elapsed time counted also quickly (at about double speed). I again went to the |
| 09:37:34 | daurnimator | I again went to the.. |
| 09:39:36 | webguest13 | daurnimator: what? |
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| 09:40:19 | daurnimator | you didn't finish the sentance |
| 09:41:26 | webguest13 | daurnimator: I did, it probably wasn't transmitted correctly. here it is: |
| 09:41:30 | webguest13 | I again went to the pitch screen and after the first change (to 104.9%) the sound appeared again. Any ideas? |
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| 09:54:22 | petur | webguest13: will try |
| 09:57:52 | LinusN | k00l - i must pimp my ipod - only ¤25 :-) |
| 09:57:59 | petur | webguest13: confirmed. Can you post this in the bugtracker? |
| 09:58:11 | scorche | LinusN: heh...yeah... |
| 09:58:42 | * | petur makes a mental note that he shouldn't try to change the pitch of songs of The Smiths - sound very weird |
| 09:58:48 | LinusN | it doesn't bother me that they are selling rockbox, as long as they follow the gpl license |
| 09:59:24 | scorche | what bothers me is the complete lack of credit |
| 09:59:39 | petur | webguest13: are you still here? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:06 | scorche | both to us (rockbox crew) and the WPS creators |
| 10:00:12 | LinusN | scorche: yeah, it's annoying |
| 10:00:20 | petur | pressing stop to leave the pitch screen feels very strange btw.... |
| 10:00:34 | LinusN | well, they might be violating copyright law with the wps'es |
| 10:00:58 | scorche | aye |
| 10:01:04 | petur | I'm sure a simple mail to ebay can solve this ;) |
| 10:01:37 | scorche | petur: i would rather cut it off at the root....or at least give them a chance to properly do things |
| 10:02:02 | * | petur hands scorche the axe |
| 10:02:53 | webguest13 | petur: yes. What DAP do you have? |
| 10:03:07 | petur | h340 |
| 10:03:21 | petur | this is SWCODEC related, not DAP |
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| 10:04:23 | petur | webguest13: you post it to the tracker please? |
| 10:04:56 | webguest13 | petur: in the flayspray, they ask about the platform. I remember the guide line of submitting bug reports for emacs: just describe what you've observed, make no assumptions. |
| 10:05:26 | petur | platform = SW-Codec |
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| 10:05:30 | webguest13 | petur: I can't type that fast :-) |
| 10:06:02 | petur | just copy your initial post you made here |
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| 10:06:58 | LinusN | scorche: i think you could just ask them if they have modified rockbox in any way, and whether they provide the source code |
| 10:07:59 | LinusN | and perhaps if they have the wps authors' permisson to redistribute |
| 10:08:52 | scorche | it is obvious that they do not, but I will get to that in the conversation i am sure |
| 10:09:24 | LinusN | good |
| 10:09:29 | tychver | not to be a burden but could someone please have a look at my update to the ipod scrolling acceleration patch so it compiles withe the latest CVS |
| 10:09:31 | * | petur whispers 'kill kill kill' |
| 10:09:34 | tychver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 |
| 10:09:45 | scorche | dont worry...i will keep you informed ;) |
| 10:09:50 | webguest13 | petur: how can you tell H300 from SW-codec platform? |
| 10:09:56 | tychver | It probably breaks every convention known to man... |
| 10:10:27 | petur | webguest13: I'm pretty sure the bug you see is not hardware related but common to all players that decode music in software |
| 10:11:16 | webguest13 | petur: Ok, in this case it is very likely. But in general? If I have to submit a bug, when should I choose SW-codec? |
| 10:11:46 | webguest13 | petur: FS #6389 |
| 10:12:33 | petur | webguest13: really depends on the bug. You can always select your DAP and a dev will change it if it's obviously wrong. Having it marked for a specific DAP isn't too bad anyway... |
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| 10:25:35 | webguest13 | petur: for H120 (and probably H340) following would be more intuitive in the pitch screen: NAVI=reset to 100%, PLAY=go to WPS. STOP = nothing. What do you think? |
| 10:25:57 | petur | webguest13: agree |
| 10:26:16 | petur | pressing stop was very weird |
| 10:27:36 | webguest13 | petur: who will make the patch? OTOH: STOP=leave the menu, so it's ok. |
| 10:27:53 | petur | feel free to post a patch or suggestion ;) |
| 10:28:32 | webguest13 | petur: ok, I'll do later today. |
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| 10:35:20 | Soultwister | where do i get album and scroll for rockbox |
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| 10:36:43 | Soultwister | anyone know |
| 10:37:11 | tychver | I don't understand the question |
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| 10:37:50 | scorche | Soultwister: assuming you mean album art and scrolling margins patches...they are in the tracker along with all the other patches |
| 10:38:07 | Soultwister | there is supposed to be a plugin that allows me to see album art |
| 10:38:19 | Soultwister | ahh |
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| 10:48:04 | obo | tychver: why all the changes to the button.h includes? |
| 10:48:40 | Soultwister | where do i put the patch |
| 10:48:45 | Soultwister | album |
| 10:48:50 | Soultwister | patch |
| 10:48:53 | tychver | recursive redefenitions, didn't know how else to handle them |
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| 10:50:04 | Soultwister | anyone know where you put album patch |
| 10:50:34 | scorche | Soultwister: i suggest you read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 10:50:51 | Soultwister | i have to comile it |
| 10:50:59 | Soultwister | compile it |
| 10:51:03 | scorche | yes |
| 10:51:09 | tychver | or download an unsupported build with it built in |
| 10:51:09 | scorche | what did you think a patch was? |
| 10:51:11 | Soultwister | dont have linux |
| 10:51:18 | scorche | you dont need linux |
| 10:51:23 | Soultwister | ahh |
| 10:51:35 | Soultwister | is it a wps |
| 10:51:54 | scorche | that page tells you that you can install either cygwin or vmware to do the job |
| 10:51:59 | scorche | what do you mean? |
| 10:52:11 | Soultwister | ok |
| 10:52:18 | scorche | a wps is very different than anything we are talking about |
| 10:52:44 | Soultwister | ya i know |
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| 10:53:00 | Soultwister | im a newbie to comiling |
| 10:53:09 | Soultwister | compiling |
| 10:53:09 | scorche | i noticed =) |
| 10:53:13 | Soultwister | lol |
| 10:53:46 | Soultwister | what i ment to ask is when i compile a patch what does it turn into |
| 10:54:15 | Soultwister | id rather get a compiled version of the patch |
| 10:54:41 | scorche | you get a build |
| 10:55:15 | scorche | then look in the unofficial builds forum for a build for your target that includes those patches |
| 10:55:58 | scorche | but compiling and tasks of that sort are beneficial for one to learn |
| 10:56:16 | Soultwister | yes i agree |
| 10:56:42 | Soultwister | i tried once to compile a game for linux failed alot |
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| 10:59:09 | scorche | well, then i suggest you start learning |
| 10:59:33 | tychver | to be honest I think that the scrolling patch is far too jerky and needs about a couple more steps in it but I guess that means using more resources |
| 10:59:54 | Soultwister | oh] |
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| 11:00:11 | Soultwister | i have a 60 gig 5th gen |
| 11:00:13 | scorche | tychver: it is a patch... |
| 11:00:22 | scorche | you can edit it however you want |
| 11:00:28 | scorche | there are reasons it is not in cvs |
| 11:00:48 | Soultwister | would it be easier to use tagcache |
| 11:01:03 | scorche | as long as we are not busy and are in the mood, we will help you here or in the forums...although, we do like to see that you have made some effort to try and find the answer first...so, if you do have an issue, it would be wise to search the forums for people who have had that issue before, among other methods |
| 11:01:15 | scorche | @ Soultwister |
| 11:01:29 | scorche | Soultwister: for what? |
| 11:01:50 | Soultwister | to view album art that has been made with itunes |
| 11:02:02 | scorche | itunes cannot do that |
| 11:02:17 | obo | tychver: it could do with TPs list scrolling changes as well... |
| 11:02:17 | scorche | errr...tagcache |
| 11:02:23 | Soultwister | inbeded in the mp3 |
| 11:02:31 | Soultwister | it self |
| 11:02:54 | Soultwister | i have album art already imbedding in my mp3 |
| 11:03:01 | Soultwister | s |
| 11:03:06 | scorche | itunes actually extracts the album art from the mp3 when it puts it on the ipod |
| 11:03:17 | Soultwister | ahh |
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| 11:05:02 | tychver | so you suggest that I add the extra levels of scrolling speed? |
| 11:06:06 | tychver | I'll be free for 8 weeks in 48 hours (school holidays), I'll see what I can do over the summer |
| 11:06:38 | tychver | I don't know that much C, tried to learn a few times but lost interest, now I actually want to do something with it and I'm mostly learning as I go |
| 11:06:57 | obo | TPs first version of the patch included more changes to list.[ch] - those sped up the list scrolling, I think he said it was 12 times faster |
| 11:07:19 | tychver | yeah it was, pretty much inversely linear to the font size too! |
| 11:08:00 | tychver | I'll see what I can do over the next 8 weeks about that, I'm not really the best person to be doing this but why not :) |
| 11:08:23 | tychver | that was with a size 14 font, with a size 5 its about 27 times faster |
| 11:09:20 | tychver | and with a size 21 like 5 times faster |
| 11:09:25 | tychver | wait that's not linear at all |
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| 11:09:37 | tychver | it's hyperbolic I think |
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| 11:09:52 | tychver | anyway it's 23:10 and I have an exam tomorrow |
| 11:10:00 | tychver | I'm off |
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| 11:33:21 | amiconn | Why are there still button #defines in core .h files?? |
| 11:33:58 | amiconn | Button actions should have made them superfluous |
| 11:35:43 | * | amiconn wonders about several things related to this scoll acceleration patch |
| 11:37:15 | LinusN | iäm not sure about that status bar update thing |
| 11:38:48 | LinusN | but the inability to include button.h twici is easy to solve, since he added the stuff *after* the #endif /* BUTTON_H */ |
| 11:38:54 | amiconn | That's one point |
| 11:39:41 | LinusN | i only had a brief look at the coding style |
| 11:40:17 | amiconn | The others are (1) Is the scrolling really too slow on some ipods? |
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| 11:40:33 | amiconn | My problem with the scroll wheel is that it's rather too fast to precisely go to a certain line |
| 11:41:15 | amiconn | I practially always go too far first, and have to scrol back |
| 11:41:16 | phlasphy | hey all |
| 11:41:22 | phlasphy | i was thinking about getting an ipod |
| 11:41:43 | scorche | amiconn: i think that is more an issue of sensitivity than speed |
| 11:41:53 | amiconn | (2) Why only for the 4g, and why is the mini excluded? (mini1g that is) |
| 11:41:59 | phlasphy | and install rockbox on it |
| 11:42:01 | amiconn | 4g pad I mean |
| 11:42:07 | phlasphy | but i have a few questions |
| 11:42:38 | scorche | and the speed is no issue for those of us who have their music properly organized, but for those who have many many items in one folder, it takes quite a while to go throguh it |
| 11:42:59 | Febs | amiconn: yes, scrolling is too slow in some instances. Scrolling long lists takes a long time. |
| 11:43:14 | phlasphy | can i put the original apple firmaware back on if i dont like rockbox? |
| 11:43:20 | Febs | phlasphy: yes. |
| 11:43:37 | scorche | phlasphy: actually, the original firmware is kept on the device and is dual-bootable |
| 11:43:42 | Febs | You can also dual boot, so you can run the apple firmware without having to uninstall Rockbox. |
| 11:44:01 | phlasphy | does that mean i would need a boot loader like GRUB or LILO |
| 11:44:06 | scorche | no |
| 11:44:13 | amiconn | scorche: I can go through the database all-tracks list on my mini rather quick. Okay, a 4GB mini doesn't hold that many tracks... |
| 11:44:16 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:44:18 | scorche | it is dual boot by default |
| 11:44:22 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:44:30 | phlasphy | and if i want to uninstall rockbox |
| 11:44:54 | scorche | there are uninstallation instructions along with the installation instructions |
| 11:45:06 | phlasphy | ok and there would be no traces of it? |
| 11:45:14 | scorche | just make sure and keep the original bootpartition.bin as it says to |
| 11:45:25 | scorche | pretty much |
| 11:45:39 | phlasphy | pretty much? |
| 11:45:42 | scorche | amiconn: yes |
| 11:45:52 | scorche | phlasphy: for all practical purposes yes |
| 11:45:57 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:46:12 | phlasphy | what are some cons to using rockbox? |
| 11:46:16 | phlasphy | pros and cons |
| 11:46:18 | scorche | amiconn: but like i said..it takes quite a while for others |
| 11:46:38 | scorche | phlasphy: i suggest you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 11:46:47 | phlasphy | thanks |
| 11:47:42 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:47:47 | phlasphy | what player do you have? |
| 11:47:55 | scorche | i have a couple |
| 11:48:11 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:48:20 | phlasphy | will it work on a ipod video 30gb |
| 11:48:32 | scorche | provided it isnt the new type, yes |
| 11:48:42 | scorche | when was it purchased? |
| 11:48:52 | phlasphy | umm i will be getting it at xmas |
| 11:48:58 | scorche | ah |
| 11:49:24 | scorche | well, there is a way to install rockbox on the new ones, but it is not yet fully stable |
| 11:49:30 | scorche | it will be in time of course though |
| 11:49:38 | phlasphy | ok will it be by xmas? |
| 11:49:51 | scorche | it might be, it might not be |
| 11:50:03 | scorche | we do not give out dates here =) |
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| 11:50:25 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:50:28 | phlasphy | bbiab |
| 11:50:49 | jba | jhMikeS, it seems that the memory map for the gigbaeta port may have been too hungry, possibly resulting in corrupt memory |
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| 11:53:06 | * | amiconn wonders what a hungry map is ;) |
| 11:53:35 | phlasphy | back |
| 11:53:45 | phlasphy | so will rockbox increase sound quality? |
| 11:54:35 | LinusN | not really |
| 11:54:35 | scorche | the sound quality is basically the same, but rockbox has many options to tune the sound to your ear/sound better to you |
| 11:54:51 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:55:13 | phlasphy | and can i turn my ipod into a brick when trying to install it |
| 11:55:28 | scorche | we have never had a brick yet ;) |
| 11:55:32 | obo | amiconn: I have a /music/artist/album structure - it takes me 45 seconds to scroll from the top to the bottom of my list of artists on a 5g ipod |
| 11:55:41 | scorche | except for that one guy who threw the ipod out the window... |
| 11:55:58 | phlasphy | reaLLY NOT ONE BRICK YET |
| 11:56:06 | phlasphy | oops sorry for caps |
| 11:56:16 | scorche | the ipods are VERY hard to brick completely |
| 11:56:28 | scorche | it would take some skill to do so |
| 11:56:45 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:56:50 | phlasphy | and if i do what happens |
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| 11:56:54 | scorche | you wont |
| 11:56:57 | phlasphy | can i unbrick it |
| 11:57:17 | phlasphy | i heard PSP is easdy to brick |
| 11:57:37 | scorche | well, the definition of "bricking" is to make a device not operating or recoverable by any means |
| 11:57:43 | phlasphy | ok |
| 11:57:52 | scorche | well, any non-hardware means |
| 11:58:14 | phlasphy | i am thinking about just using ALAC on normal firmware instead of FLAC on rockbox |
| 11:58:33 | scorche | that is your choice to make |
| 11:58:37 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 11:58:42 | phlasphy | i like flac though |
| 11:58:49 | scorche | as do i =) |
| 11:59:00 | phlasphy | what o/s do you run on your pc |
| 11:59:01 | phlasphy | ? |
| 11:59:45 | scorche | windows and linux |
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| 12:00:03 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:00:08 | phlasphy | what do you play audio in? |
| 12:00:37 | scorche | why is this questioning necessary? (sorry, but we like to keep things in this channel about rockbox) |
| 12:00:52 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 12:01:01 | phlasphy | sorry |
| 12:01:12 | scorche | if you really HAVE to know for some odd reason, that is what PMs are for |
| 12:01:17 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:01:20 | phlasphy | :) |
| 12:01:49 | phlasphy | so for a 5g rockbox is stable? |
| 12:02:15 | scorche | for a 5g, yes |
| 12:02:19 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:03:02 | phlasphy | and rockbox runs flac flawlessly |
| 12:03:40 | scorche | not quite sure what you mean by that, but yes |
| 12:03:57 | phlasphy | no audio glitches or anything |
| 12:04:23 | scorche | yes |
| 12:04:31 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:04:48 | phlasphy | does the battery life descrease with flac |
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| 12:05:48 | scorche | what are you comparing it with? |
| 12:05:54 | phlasphy | mp3 |
| 12:06:15 | scorche | it will slightly |
| 12:06:18 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:06:29 | phlasphy | by about how long a few minutes an hour |
| 12:06:37 | scorche | i cannot say |
| 12:06:41 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:06:42 | scorche | but it wont be a large amount |
| 12:06:54 | phlasphy | also i have a few questions about ipod |
| 12:06:57 | phlasphy | is that ok here>? |
| 12:07:11 | scorche | not really |
| 12:07:14 | phlasphy | ok |
| 12:09:02 | Febs | LinusN: do you have any plans to update fwpatcher for iriver firmware 1.31? I ask only because I'm getting tired of reading threads about it. |
| 12:09:59 | Febs | Personally, I can't understand why Rockbox users even care about 1.31 since it only adds things that Rockbox already has. |
| 12:10:56 | LinusN | no, i don't plan on supporting it until i release a new bootloader |
| 12:11:28 | phlasphy | ok when i get my ipod i will dual boot this and original |
| 12:11:36 | LinusN | and i care even less just because 1.31 doesn't add anything useful |
| 12:11:52 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:12:27 | phlasphy | bbiab |
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| 12:15:01 | jba | hey guys am having trouble trying to debug something, getting a compiler wraning and linker error: |
| 12:15:10 | jba | char debug_buf[255]; |
| 12:15:10 | jba | sprintf(debug_buf, "1)audio_get_buffer playing is %d, audio_is_initialzed is %d", playing, audio_is_initialized); |
| 12:15:15 | jba | |
| 12:15:21 | jba | what did i do wrong there? |
| 12:15:26 | jba | it's been a long time for c |
| 12:20:13 | jba | am trying to create a debug string inside playback.c using sprintf but it doesn't want to work |
| 12:21:21 | jba | anyone |
| 12:21:22 | jba | ? |
| 12:27:14 | jba | i can't even find the definition of sprintf anhywhere in the source |
| 12:28:15 | jba | using snprintf worked ? |
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| 12:30:49 | Slasheri | snprintf should be always used to avoid buffer overflows unless you can be very certain those can't happen |
| 12:31:33 | jba | Slasheri, i see sprintf used all over the place without even including sprintf.h, yet i couldn't use it in playback.c |
| 12:31:34 | Slasheri | sprintf is defined in firmware/common/sprintf.c |
| 12:31:50 | Slasheri | you included sprintf.h? |
| 12:31:56 | jba | yeah but where is it prototyped ? |
| 12:32:06 | jba | playback.c already included sprintf.h |
| 12:32:26 | Slasheri | ok, there is no prototype for sprintf |
| 12:32:44 | Slasheri | probably just a good thing.. |
| 12:32:57 | jba | playback.c already included sprintf.h |
| 12:33:12 | Slasheri | just do snprintf(debug_buf, sizeof debug_buf, ... |
| 12:33:15 | Slasheri | yeah, that's for snprintf |
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| 12:44:12 | jba | now i can't get the splash i wrote in playback.c to show |
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| 12:58:47 | Tyronemaskell | hello all |
| 12:58:55 | Tyronemaskell | pls can someone help me |
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| 13:00:31 | Tyronemaskell | with a good wma converter pls |
| 13:00:43 | Tyronemaskell | tried foobar but it did not work |
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| 13:09:57 | Tyronemaskell | hello anyone ? |
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| 13:11:46 | LinusN | i guess nobody here has any tips for you... :-( |
| 13:12:42 | blue_lizard | probably because "hello anyone ?" is not a part of rockbox |
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| 13:20:12 | LinusN | blue_lizard: he asked for hints about good wma converters |
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| 13:26:02 | tehsmo | Tyronemaskell: look on the hydrogenaudio forums perhaps, they're good with codec stuff |
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| 13:30:36 | phlasphy | hey again |
| 13:30:54 | phlasphy | scorche, is there any plans for rockbox on a creative? |
| 13:31:16 | LinusN | no plans |
| 13:31:27 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:31:30 | LinusN | but anyone can do it if he puts his mind to it |
| 13:31:30 | phlasphy | :( |
| 13:31:37 | phlasphy | even a noob? |
| 13:31:44 | LinusN | well, not anyone :-) |
| 13:31:49 | phlasphy | lol |
| 13:32:01 | LinusN | what i meant was that we don't make plans |
| 13:32:05 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:32:15 | phlasphy | so it may happen |
| 13:32:24 | LinusN | if someone with the right skills start working on it, we will certainly cheer |
| 13:32:35 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:32:42 | LinusN | that's how all ports get done |
| 13:32:45 | phlasphy | i have heard bad things about ipods audio quality |
| 13:32:52 | LinusN | really? |
| 13:32:55 | phlasphy | yeah |
| 13:33:23 | phlasphy | do you have an ipod |
| 13:35:12 | phlasphy | guess not |
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| 13:36:05 | phlasphy | LinusN, what would be the best sound quality mp3 player |
| 13:36:10 | phlasphy | brand wise? |
| 13:36:49 | LinusN | i dunno really |
| 13:36:51 | blue_lizard | afaik there are big differences between the several ipod generations |
| 13:37:07 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:37:10 | blue_lizard | so one cannot say ipod has a bad sound quality |
| 13:37:22 | LinusN | i think iriver and x5 have very good quality |
| 13:37:24 | phlasphy | i mean the 5.5 generation |
| 13:37:27 | blue_lizard | you need to be more specific |
| 13:37:44 | LinusN | and i didn't find anything wrong with my ipod video either, it sounds quite allright to me |
| 13:37:53 | blue_lizard | afaik there has been a lot of discussion about that in the ipod forums |
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| 13:38:22 | phlasphy | blue_lizard, do you have a link |
| 13:38:28 | blue_lizard | i have alink that compares iriver h300 against cowon x5 |
| 13:38:46 | blue_lizard | i dont have an ipod and therefore no link about it |
| 13:38:54 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:39:21 | phlasphy | also can you tell the differance in soud quality between mp3 VBR and flac |
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| 13:40:34 | blue_lizard | flac should be deffinitively better than mp3 because it is lossless |
| 13:40:50 | blue_lizard | thats a big difference |
| 13:40:55 | phlasphy | i mean audible differance |
| 13:41:19 | blue_lizard | depends what do you mean with audible |
| 13:41:32 | blue_lizard | your ear is something you can teach things |
| 13:41:43 | phlasphy | really |
| 13:41:57 | blue_lizard | and of course it depends on the rest of the equipment |
| 13:42:06 | Febs | Yes, you can even teach the ear to hear things that aren't there. |
| 13:42:32 | phlasphy | strange |
| 13:42:41 | blue_lizard | Febs: rofl, that topic again |
| 13:43:09 | phlasphy | ok through average head phones |
| 13:43:14 | Febs | Use LAME and the -V presets, and it is EXTREMELY unlikely that you will be able to identify any audible difference between mp3 and FLAC. |
| 13:43:16 | phlasphy | can u tell the differance |
| 13:43:27 | phlasphy | febs V0 |
| 13:43:29 | phlasphy | i use |
| 13:43:34 | * | wehn swears his gold plated USB cable makes his MP3s sound better. |
| 13:44:13 | * | Febs hopes wehn is joking. |
| 13:44:13 | blue_lizard | and i swear my 2xEL34 makes my iriver sound better |
| 13:44:24 | blue_lizard | the question is is it worth the effort |
| 13:44:29 | wehn | it's ok, i am. |
| 13:44:31 | Febs | You have a tube iriver?! |
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| 13:44:57 | blue_lizard | and 99% of the time the effort is not worth it |
| 13:45:07 | wehn | lame -h V 5 or 6 sounds good to me. even with etymotic ER6i |
| 13:46:40 | blue_lizard | phlasphy: [13:41:25] <blue_lizard> your ear is something you can teach things │ crashd |
| 13:46:42 | blue_lizard | [13:41:36] <phlasphy> really |
| 13:46:54 | blue_lizard | ask people who have tinitus |
| 13:47:20 | phlasphy | but how can you teach your ear |
| 13:47:47 | blue_lizard | of course not the ear but the system behind it and the brain |
| 13:47:49 | * | Febs has tinnitus. |
| 13:47:56 | * | blue_lizard to |
| 13:48:02 | blue_lizard | unfortunately |
| 13:48:15 | phlasphy | what is tinnitus |
| 13:48:22 | Febs | Permanent ringing in the ears. |
| 13:48:32 | phlasphy | :( |
| 13:48:36 | phlasphy | poor you |
| 13:48:41 | phlasphy | how do you get that? |
| 13:48:50 | Febs | Too many years as a working musician. |
| 13:48:56 | blue_lizard | fortunately my is at ~12kHz |
| 13:49:09 | phlasphy | that means |
| 13:49:22 | blue_lizard | it is easier to overhear it |
| 13:49:42 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:49:51 | phlasphy | can you teach your ear not to hear it |
| 13:50:02 | blue_lizard | soem people have 2 or three tones between 2-7 kHz and that drives them crayzy |
| 13:50:19 | blue_lizard | yes you can learn to overhear it |
| 13:50:34 | phlasphy | that would drive me crazy |
| 13:50:47 | blue_lizard | it is the same as musicians learn to hear drums or bass or lead guitar better then the rest |
| 13:50:55 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:51:05 | blue_lizard | because they are more interessted in it |
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| 13:54:14 | blue_lizard | Vincent van Gogh has cut one of his ears because of tinnitus |
| 13:54:38 | phlasphy | would you still hear if you cut your ear off? |
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| 13:54:45 | blue_lizard | of course |
| 13:55:03 | blue_lizard | it is not a pysical problem in the ear |
| 13:55:17 | phlasphy | i mean would you still hear people talk and stuff |
| 13:55:19 | blue_lizard | it is a problem with the nerves |
| 13:55:41 | * | XavierGr has tinnitus too :( |
| 13:55:58 | blue_lizard | if you cut your ear you could of course still hear |
| 13:56:03 | phlasphy | ok |
| 13:56:09 | blue_lizard | but not if you cut deep into it |
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| 13:56:26 | * | phlasphy thinks his dads gf has tinnitus |
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| 13:57:25 | blue_lizard | he cut his earlap not into the organ afaik |
| 13:58:08 | XavierGr | at start I was getting crazy about it, after some months I think I am used to it... |
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| 13:59:20 | blue_lizard | at the begin the biggest problem is the fear thet you have |
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| 14:00:47 | phlasphy | fear? |
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| 14:03:35 | phlasphy | what kind of fear? |
| 14:05:36 | blue_lizard | image in your ear it begins to ring |
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| 14:06:03 | blue_lizard | you go to bed, you know there is nothing to hear and you her that ringing |
| 14:06:11 | phlasphy | uhhh |
| 14:06:14 | phlasphy | id hate that |
| 14:06:25 | blue_lizard | you wake up and bevore you open your eyes the ringging is there |
| 14:06:41 | phlasphy | so why does it happen? |
| 14:06:42 | blue_lizard | i paniced a lot |
| 14:07:09 | blue_lizard | and after the doc sait it probably would newer go away .. |
| 14:07:52 | phlasphy | i would freak out |
| 14:08:01 | XavierGr | at start all freak out |
| 14:08:07 | XavierGr | but then you get used to it |
| 14:08:20 | XavierGr | there is not much you can do about it so.... |
| 14:08:29 | phlasphy | so why does it happen? |
| 14:08:51 | blue_lizard | stress, to loud sounds (music,weapons) |
| 14:09:06 | XavierGr | well I got it from a barotrauma. I dived to much into the sea without equalizing correctly |
| 14:09:25 | blue_lizard | sometimes a side effect of illness |
| 14:09:55 | phlasphy | would you rather be deaf? |
| 14:09:58 | XavierGr | some say it is permanent slight hearing loss |
| 14:10:14 | blue_lizard | phlasphy: no |
| 14:10:16 | XavierGr | of course not |
| 14:10:17 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:10:57 | blue_lizard | high blod presure makes it louder |
| 14:11:02 | * | phlasphy wonders where his brother put his ear phones |
| 14:11:28 | blue_lizard | so one has to avoid stress and to much spices in the meals |
| 14:11:55 | blue_lizard | mine is getting better if i drink more water |
| 14:12:26 | blue_lizard | so i try to drink 1.5l water more at work |
| 14:12:40 | XavierGr | wow |
| 14:12:45 | blue_lizard | probably because the blod is more fluid |
| 14:13:03 | XavierGr | well I can't say that I can hear major difference with different diets |
| 14:13:36 | XavierGr | I always hear the ringing when I am talking about it or there is complete silence where I am |
| 14:13:39 | phlasphy | ahwell ill have to wait till tommorow and ask him where he put them |
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| 14:14:31 | petur | I hear ringing too atm but it's this bloody PSU of the pc of my colleague :/ |
| 14:14:39 | LinusN | lol |
| 14:14:44 | XavierGr | heh |
| 14:14:47 | phlasphy | what is better quality V0vbr or 320cbr |
| 14:15:31 | blue_lizard | now such things like ringing from an psu are far more disturbing then before |
| 14:16:23 | XavierGr | petur: most of the times I let my computer on at night. The sound it makes muffles the ringing. |
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| 14:16:46 | blue_lizard | i never go out without earplugs |
| 14:17:35 | blue_lizard | XavierGr: i assume you are living alone? |
| 14:19:36 | * | petur has a near-silent pc at home so it wouldn't help ;) |
| 14:20:27 | phlasphy | who knows a bit about speaker specs |
| 14:21:32 | XavierGr | blue_lizard: in my room yes, I am alone |
| 14:22:21 | phlasphy | what does sensitivity mean? |
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| 14:23:22 | blue_lizard | if you put power into the speaker it creates air presure |
| 14:23:31 | phlasphy | and |
| 14:23:41 | blue_lizard | an speaker with more sensivity creates more presure then one with less |
| 14:23:52 | phlasphy | so more is better? |
| 14:24:00 | blue_lizard | also known as effciency |
| 14:24:12 | phlasphy | so would 9dB be audible? |
| 14:24:25 | phlasphy | Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz 6Hz - 23kHz 6Hz-23kHz |
| 14:24:25 | phlasphy | Sensitivity 115dB 106dB 106dB |
| 14:24:28 | phlasphy | which is better |
| 14:25:01 | blue_lizard | depends on what you want |
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| 14:25:16 | phlasphy | high quality music |
| 14:25:18 | blue_lizard | sensitivity is not very important on normal amplifiers |
| 14:25:27 | blue_lizard | or earphones |
| 14:25:33 | phlasphy | for an mp3 player |
| 14:25:39 | phlasphy | and these are earphones |
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| 14:26:00 | blue_lizard | 106dB is morethen average |
| 14:26:07 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 14:26:17 | blue_lizard | 115dB is of course the best in sensivity |
| 14:26:26 | phlasphy | but response |
| 14:26:29 | phlasphy | is lower for that 1 |
| 14:26:35 | blue_lizard | but that does not say anything about the quality |
| 14:26:48 | petur | 6-23kHz looks nice.... |
| 14:27:04 | phlasphy | i know |
| 14:27:12 | webguest20 | Why is playback code so complicated? The concepts are quite simple but the code is hard to understand. Could it be made more "orthogonal"? |
| 14:27:12 | * | petur loves bass that goes low ( != bass that is loud) |
| 14:27:39 | phlasphy | peturhttp://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=441&product=14744 |
| 14:27:41 | phlasphy | petur http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=441&product=14744 |
| 14:27:46 | blue_lizard | petur: therefore no tube amplifiers for you |
| 14:27:55 | webguest20 | Or is it already optimized to ... can't no more? |
| 14:28:10 | LinusN | webguest20: we are constantly improving the playback code |
| 14:28:38 | LinusN | and yes, it is complicated |
| 14:28:44 | blue_lizard | webguest20: and of course rockbox uses the "tangential" aproach |
| 14:28:54 | LinusN | ...but it shouldn't be... |
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| 14:29:39 | * | kurzhaarrocker is angry |
| 14:29:45 | * | LinusN hides |
| 14:30:07 | kurzhaarrocker | That's not necessary, LinusN, as I am angry at my self |
| 14:30:20 | webguest20 | I ask because I've read the wiki page about playback concepts, but in the code there are much more if's and queues and... |
| 14:30:21 | kurzhaarrocker | I just smoked my iriver h120. |
| 14:30:34 | XavierGr | ouch :( |
| 14:30:37 | kurzhaarrocker | I inserted the archos charging plug into it and that fried it. |
| 14:30:37 | petur | wrong ac adapter? |
| 14:30:41 | kurzhaarrocker | yes |
| 14:30:45 | XavierGr | damn that sucks |
| 14:30:46 | petur | ouch |
| 14:31:13 | XavierGr | wrong ac adapter is the natural enemy of H100s |
| 14:31:28 | kurzhaarrocker | Is there wisdom among theese geeks here on how to repair it? |
| 14:31:28 | * | petur has his chargers clearly labeled and always double checks |
| 14:31:32 | webguest20 | Is there no protection circuit? |
| 14:31:37 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: is it completely dead? how long was the charger inserted? |
| 14:31:45 | blue_lizard | a diode would be enough |
| 14:32:11 | kurzhaarrocker | It was inserted for ~ 2 minutes. It smells and doesn't turn on any more, LinusN |
| 14:32:11 | LinusN | a diode to protect against overvoltage? |
| 14:32:25 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: there might still be hope |
| 14:32:27 | kurzhaarrocker | A Zener diode can do that trick. |
| 14:32:40 | blue_lizard | exact |
| 14:33:02 | LinusN | ah |
| 14:33:02 | blue_lizard | but i meant wrong polarity |
| 14:33:16 | * | kurzhaarrocker becomes hopeful on LinusN's prospect of hope |
| 14:34:37 | LinusN | it might help to replace a coltage regulator and perhaps also a few capacitors |
| 14:34:59 | LinusN | s/coltage/voltage/ |
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| 14:35:37 | LinusN | it depends on if you tried to turn it on when the charger was attached |
| 14:35:55 | kurzhaarrocker | erm - I think I did that ... |
| 14:36:03 | LinusN | if you did, the situation might be a lot worse |
| 14:36:48 | LinusN | then there is a possibility that the cpu has been fried |
| 14:37:01 | kurzhaarrocker | *squeek* |
| 14:37:27 | tehsmo | you could try to find a used h120 with a broken HD, might be cheap, then switch out the drives |
| 14:37:41 | LinusN | that's the best tip |
| 14:39:01 | n1s | LinusN: What voltage do you get when your h300 is fully charged? I'm trying to figure out if the calibration is off... |
| 14:40:21 | LinusN | n1s: it often depends on how old your battery is |
| 14:40:29 | LinusN | between 4.1 and 4.2 volts |
| 14:40:29 | * | phlasphy is confused about which mp3 player to get? |
| 14:40:44 | LinusN | phlasphy: make a list of requirements |
| 14:40:54 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 14:41:09 | blue_lizard | n1s: mine has 4.17-4.18 according to the rockbox info |
| 14:41:13 | n1s | mine was 4.13 and is now 4.12 but whith the recent changes to barrety code it shows 91%full and used to show 100% full with 4.12V |
| 14:41:22 | LinusN | phlasphy: then you can easily narrow down your list of candidates |
| 14:41:29 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:41:44 | n1s | well, seems my battery is to blame then. |
| 14:42:00 | phlasphy | all i want is over 20GB and can play rockbox with decent battery life and high sound quality |
| 14:42:27 | LinusN | phlasphy: if you want a player that is still in production, then i'd say iaudio x5 is the best choice |
| 14:42:35 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:42:42 | phlasphy | why not ipod? |
| 14:42:50 | LinusN | terrible battery life so far |
| 14:42:54 | phlasphy | ohh ok |
| 14:42:58 | phlasphy | like how terrible? |
| 14:42:59 | LinusN | and bad performance too |
| 14:43:12 | phlasphy | performance of what? |
| 14:43:23 | petur | sound skipping |
| 14:43:24 | LinusN | playback, it can skip if you have a "busy" wps |
| 14:43:32 | n1s | oh, barrety=battery of course |
| 14:43:44 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:43:51 | phlasphy | what is wps? |
| 14:43:58 | blue_lizard | n1s: our brains are fault tollerant |
| 14:44:02 | LinusN | While Playing Screen |
| 14:44:13 | n1s | blue_lizard: good to know :-P |
| 14:44:14 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 14:45:20 | phlasphy | anybody here use/used arch linux |
| 14:45:24 | tehsmo | hmm, how bad is the hit to battery life in the ipod? |
| 14:45:40 | petur | I heard 60% |
| 14:46:09 | LinusN | phlasphy: i use debian |
| 14:46:15 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:46:33 | tehsmo | ah, found the benchmark page |
| 14:47:33 | blue_lizard | i use arch at home |
| 14:47:55 | phlasphy | blue_lizard, is it good |
| 14:48:05 | tehsmo | hmm, benchmark page has entries between 5-10 hours for the ipod video. .good enough for me |
| 14:48:31 | blue_lizard | it is good if you have some experience with linux |
| 14:48:56 | blue_lizard | it doesnt do anything for you |
| 14:49:16 | blue_lizard | not even as far ad debian |
| 14:49:30 | phlasphy | what do you mean it doesnt do anything for you? |
| 14:49:33 | blue_lizard | it is the opposite of ubuntu |
| 14:49:41 | phlasphy | what about as far as slackware? |
| 14:50:23 | blue_lizard | i only used debian gentoo ubuntu and arch tha last 7 years and dont know how slackware works |
| 14:50:40 | phlasphy | ok |
| 14:50:59 | phlasphy | would it be worth buying a psp as a mp3 player? |
| 14:51:41 | petur | not much storage, no? |
| 14:51:46 | phlasphy | :( |
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| 14:51:59 | phlasphy | but that depends on the memory stick? |
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| 14:52:41 | petur | expensive memory sticks, yes... |
| 14:52:45 | phlasphy | ebay |
| 14:53:50 | blue_lizard | and whats max on those sticks? 4gig? |
| 14:54:23 | petur | and rather what's the max capacity the psp supports? |
| 14:56:10 | phlasphy | 8GB i think |
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| 15:10:21 | leftright | why does a reset of settings fix issues/bugs ? |
| 15:10:41 | lex | phlasphy: but the 'unique'-equalizerset owns |
| 15:10:57 | phlasphy | what? |
| 15:10:58 | lex | but memory sticks cost so much |
| 15:11:01 | lex | on psp you know |
| 15:11:12 | phlasphy | i dont actually lol |
| 15:11:18 | phlasphy | i think i will get one of them |
| 15:11:21 | lex | :) |
| 15:11:27 | phlasphy | i already have a 512 one for my phone |
| 15:11:32 | lex | i have one already, i wish i had wlan here too |
| 15:12:02 | lex | but snes on psp owns |
| 15:12:13 | phlasphy | snes on psp |
| 15:12:17 | phlasphy | awesome |
| 15:12:21 | lex | it's so nice to play zelda or mario where ever i want |
| 15:12:38 | phlasphy | lex, can you do that on the latest firmware? |
| 15:12:39 | lex | http://lex.evot.us/psp/SSM11677.JPG ;) |
| 15:12:48 | lex | no, i'm using 1.5 and devhook for 2.71 |
| 15:12:56 | lex | and 3.01 is the newest and they can't be used with that |
| 15:13:09 | petur | leftright: if people mix cvs builds with patched ones (or experimentals), or if a dev changes settings and forgets to up the versionblocknumber |
| 15:13:15 | phlasphy | can u downgrade? |
| 15:13:28 | lex | i did, i had 2.50 |
| 15:13:38 | lex | but i guess that 2.82+ can't be downgraded |
| 15:13:38 | leftright | ok, so its always good to do a reset anyway |
| 15:13:39 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 15:13:50 | petur | leftright: doesn't hurt ;) |
| 15:14:17 | petur | things will get better when settings move to cfg files for good |
| 15:14:25 | phlasphy | lex, join ###chat |
| 15:14:30 | leftright | thanks |
| 15:14:53 | * | petur runs off for a while |
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| 15:34:05 | * | kurzhaarrocker is annoyed by his boss who acutally wants him to work |
| 15:34:07 | kurzhaarrocker | Thanx for the hints regarding my broken h120 LinusN. |
| 15:34:33 | LinusN | i hope it turns out well for you |
| 15:34:41 | * | kurzhaarrocker to |
| 15:34:43 | kurzhaarrocker | So long |
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| 16:03:41 | webguest20 | On the wiki page LangFiles, section about deprecation, it says that description should be set to DEPRECATED. And then, few lines below, only dest is set to DEPRECATED. What is correct? |
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| 16:06:33 | n1s | The description should be set to DEPRECATED and the rest should be empty e.g "" |
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| 16:07:59 | webguest20 | n1s: then the wiki page should be corrected. Do you have the wiki account (I don't)? |
| 16:08:49 | n1s | webguest20: well at leats that's how I _think_ it's supposed to be done, better wait till bagder gets here. |
| 16:10:11 | webguest20 | n1s: yes, I also have seen some places in english.lang that set desc (not dest!) to deprecated. And got confused by wiki. |
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| 16:16:28 | Bagder | the desc field is for pure human consumption |
| 16:16:45 | Bagder | the dest field can be set to 'deprecated' which is the same as setting it to "" |
| 16:17:27 | * | Bagder walks off to poke on Qt embedded some more |
| 16:17:34 | n1s | ok, the wiki should be made a little clearer, then, i'll fix it. |
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| 16:19:35 | Gnelik | is onscreen keyboard supports foreign language symbols? |
| 16:19:56 | n1s | yes, with a custom keboard file thingy |
| 16:20:14 | Gnelik | ? |
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| 16:21:34 | n1s | Gnelik: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts |
| 16:22:06 | n1s | webguest20: the wiki is fixed |
| 16:22:13 | ubuntuking | hello all |
| 16:22:24 | n1s | hi |
| 16:23:12 | Bagder | look a king! |
| 16:23:25 | ubuntuking | yes yes |
| 16:23:32 | ubuntuking | thy king has arrived |
| 16:23:48 | Slasheri | ah, my ipod 5.5G is arriwing on thursday :) |
| 16:23:55 | Slasheri | *v |
| 16:24:35 | tehsmo | aren't the 5.5G ipods not supported by rockbox? |
| 16:24:42 | Bagder | ah, so rockbox on the 5.5 by the weekend ? ;-) |
| 16:24:47 | n1s | Slasheri: did you see the mail to the list from someone who wanted yo donate a h120 with dead harddrive? |
| 16:24:55 | tehsmo | or are you going to do the port |
| 16:24:58 | Slasheri | yes, but 30GB model is easy to make fully supported :) |
| 16:25:04 | tehsmo | ah, cool |
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| 16:25:43 | Slasheri | n1s: i just noticed it, might ask about it :) but Linus is also fixing the flash on my unit |
| 16:26:03 | XavierGr | Slasheri: did he receiv it? wow fast |
| 16:26:14 | XavierGr | receive too |
| 16:26:16 | n1s | but then you have two tries to fix the bootloader :-P |
| 16:26:30 | Slasheri | XavierGr: not sure, but it's in the post |
| 16:26:45 | Slasheri | and it has already arrived at sweden ;) |
| 16:27:17 | Slasheri | n1s: hehe :) |
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| 16:28:07 | Gnelik | can anyone give me a link to expression parser in written C |
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| 16:29:01 | * | n1s makes a very big comit ;-) |
| 16:29:27 | sekondchakra | is installing each days newest build as simple as unzipping the file to my ipod? or is it more complicated than that? |
| 16:29:37 | lowlight | when cvs add-ing files that were copied & renamed, do I need to change the $Id line first? |
| 16:29:41 | sekondchakra | (caution: n00b on deck) |
| 16:29:48 | n1s | sekondchakra: yep, just unzip |
| 16:29:54 | sekondchakra | cool... |
| 16:30:27 | sekondchakra | any settings I could change to keep my ipod mini 1G from freezing up about 30 mins in? |
| 16:30:57 | | Quit idnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 16:31:01 | n1s | turn off the secret "fereeze timer" :-P |
| 16:31:06 | sekondchakra | LOL |
| 16:31:22 | sekondchakra | guess I need the password for that, huh? |
| 16:31:39 | n1s | im not telling |
| 16:31:41 | n1s | but seriously, what makes it freeze |
| 16:31:48 | sekondchakra | dunno... |
| 16:32:10 | Slasheri | lowlight: if you want to be sure, just change it to $Id$ |
| 16:32:44 | lowlight | ok |
| 16:32:55 | sekondchakra | I changed the Max Files in Directory Browser to a higher number.... now I'm pretty consistently getting data aborts!! |
| 16:33:02 | sekondchakra | (just NOW got another one...) |
| 16:33:13 | sekondchakra | same number, too: 00041D10 |
| 16:33:31 | n1s | what files are you playing |
| 16:33:41 | sekondchakra | you mean what KIND? |
| 16:33:49 | n1s | yes... |
| 16:33:59 | sekondchakra | lemme check.... |
| 16:34:12 | sekondchakra | it was the "Brainwashed" album... |
| 16:34:34 | sekondchakra | waitin' for disk access to stop... |
| 16:34:58 | sekondchakra | yeah...they're AAC's.... |
| 16:35:29 | sekondchakra | would that make any diff? |
| 16:35:52 | n1s | there has been a little bit of trouble with aac's but I thought they were fixed... Is your build new? |
| 16:36:33 | sekondchakra | brand, spanky new... (From this morning−−literally) |
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| 16:37:10 | n1s | Try playing some other formats and see if it only happends with aac |
| 16:37:27 | sekondchakra | I'm all over it... Jeff Lynne this time... mp3's.... |
| 16:37:56 | sekondchakra | any idea why changing that Max Files setting would seem to set off data abort's? |
| 16:38:04 | sekondchakra | before that I was just getting freezes.... |
| 16:38:06 | n1s | and if you are sure aac causes it I think you should get Lear's attention |
| 16:38:11 | n1s | no |
| 16:38:15 | ubuntuking | what is the effect of changing the max files in dir browser??? |
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| 16:38:45 | sekondchakra | BEFORE changing Max Files: Freeze |
| 16:38:50 | n1s | the dirbrowser will display more files in a directory with many files |
| 16:38:55 | sekondchakra | AFTER changing Max Files: Data Abort |
| 16:38:59 | Gnelik | dan_a: Hi Dan |
| 16:39:09 | ubuntuking | does it make it function any faster though? |
| 16:39:10 | dan_a | Hi Gnelik |
| 16:39:20 | sekondchakra | And I was playing the exact same trax each time.... |
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| 16:39:24 | n1s | ubuntuking: no |
| 16:39:27 | sekondchakra | in the same order... |
| 16:39:37 | sekondchakra | odd.... |
| 16:39:46 | Gnelik | dan_a:Âù you have a free time now? |
| 16:39:54 | ubuntuking | nls: thanks |
| 16:39:57 | Gnelik | âù = do |
| 16:40:08 | n1s | ubuntuking: if you get "Dir Buffer Full!" messages you should increase it or reorganize your collection :-) |
| 16:40:44 | ubuntuking | nls, havent had that problem so far, thanks for the info though |
| 16:40:56 | ubuntuking | currently it is set to 400 |
| 16:41:25 | dan_a | Gnelik: I did a 17 hour day at work yesterday, so didn't have time to get any more done on the Sansa :( |
| 16:41:43 | sekondchakra | does anyone know if the default theme is any more stable than icatcher? |
| 16:41:58 | sekondchakra | (i saw something somewhere about vu meters causing probs?) |
| 16:42:09 | sekondchakra | icatcher doesn't seem to have meters... |
| 16:42:37 | Gnelik | dan_a: it seems that originar firmware write's some data to the place where bootloader is sitoated and it crashes after booting it |
| 16:43:13 | n1s | sekondchakra: the peakmeters make music skip on some players (some ipods and h10 i think) |
| 16:43:25 | Gnelik | i am talking about my bootloader |
| 16:43:50 | sekondchakra | nls, so that implies that icatcher MIGHT be a better choice? |
| 16:44:25 | sekondchakra | i'll try it for awhile... |
| 16:44:32 | n1s | sekondchakra: yes, but it's not more _stable_ |
| 16:44:45 | sekondchakra | ah... |
| 16:45:43 | dan_a | Gnelik: Describe how the OF crashes. Does the LED light up if you move the scroll wheel? |
| 16:46:23 | Gnelik | dan_a |
| 16:47:01 | Gnelik | It dont crasher. I turn it off and when i turn player on my bootloader hangs up |
| 16:47:24 | Gnelik | it blinks with a long dellay by white |
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| 16:48:15 | Gnelik | dan_a: Can you try to do this? |
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| 16:49:38 | Gnelik | http://pastebin.ca/260642 |
| 16:51:52 | sekondchakra | well, I just got the identical data abort code playing some mp3's... so it wouldn't seem to be an AAC issue...! |
| 16:52:10 | sekondchakra | and no peakmeters going, either... |
| 16:52:34 | dan_a | Gnelik: Building it now |
| 16:55:54 | dan_a | Gnelik: You need a delay before the key repeat starts on the menu... I'm just checking that booting RB works a couple of times, and then I'll try OF. |
| 16:57:12 | dan_a | No, it doesn't matter what firmware I boot, your bootloader only works once. That's weird! |
| 16:57:49 | Gnelik | Hm. |
| 16:58:13 | Gnelik | Great :) Boot once and threw youê playeê away |
| 16:58:30 | dan_a | hahaha |
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| 16:59:45 | dan_a | I suspect it might be the timer interrupts... I seem to recall that PP chips don't like using sleep() in the bootloader. Try changing sleep(HZ/10) to udelay(100) |
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| 17:01:56 | Gnelik | 100 is to little |
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| 17:03:13 | Gnelik | Hm. Menu is working now but strange things in messages area left |
| 17:03:16 | * | dan_a forgets the difference between milliseconds and microseconds again |
| 17:05:33 | amiconn | dan_a: sleep() does work only after the timer is initialised. If it doesn't werk in the ipod(h10/sansa bootloader, this init is missing |
| 17:05:45 | amiconn | It does work in the coldfire bootloaders |
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| 17:06:52 | dan_a | *something* isn't being initialised. If you boot in recovery mode, and reboot without doing anything, it works again. |
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| 17:08:52 | dan_a | Gnelik: I like the look of your bootloader, but one of the reasons for having the firmware selected by pressing a button is so that whichever firmware is chosen boots as fast as possible. Could you make the menu come up only if "menu" is pressed, otherwise it boots Rockbox? |
| 17:14:17 | Gnelik | yep |
| 17:14:24 | Gnelik | NP |
| 17:14:30 | dan_a | amiconn: On the PortalPlayer machines, setting up the timer interrupt is #ifdef-ed out for the bootloader |
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| 17:16:20 | sekondchakra | is anyone in the rockbox "inner circle" likely to be interested in my freeze/data abort situation here? I mean should I let anyone know officially? |
| 17:16:23 | amiconn | I wonder why... |
| 17:16:45 | sekondchakra | I just lowered the Max Files setting to 950 (from 1000) and now I'm getting freezes again−−instead of Data aborts... |
| 17:16:55 | sekondchakra | so it seems pretty consistent... |
| 17:17:04 | dan_a | amiconn: At a guess, Apple OF wouldn't boot if interrupts were initialised |
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| 17:17:52 | amiconn | Worth a test imho |
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| 17:19:25 | obo | sekondchakra: you can try an unsupported build that disables frequency scaling (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0) |
| 17:20:16 | Athanatos | hey guys |
| 17:20:58 | sekondchakra | obo ... thanks....I'll check that out...! |
| 17:21:09 | sekondchakra | thanks, everyone... |
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| 17:22:12 | Athanatos | i was reading the install manual and it says that 2.5 is the stable release out but i bloody don't see it in the downloads section for my ipod, only for those archos players |
| 17:22:18 | Athanatos | must i use a daily release? |
| 17:22:27 | n1s | yes |
| 17:22:32 | Athanatos | ok |
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| 17:23:28 | n1s | the maual also says (right below) "Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Color. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Color, use a daily build or CVS build." |
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| 17:29:41 | webguest20 | n1s: should the dest string for deprecated entries not set to "" (instead of 'deprecated')? |
| 17:31:09 | n1s | webguest20: it's set to deprecated without quotes just to be easier to read, it could be "" just as well. |
| 17:32:27 | webguest20 | n1s: I saw somewhere that by setting it to "" you save memory |
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| 17:33:41 | n1s | yes but afaik lang v2 handles the deprecated string as a special case and therefore no quotes, if you put "deprecated" in it would probably eat those few bytes |
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| 17:35:02 | webguest20 | n1s: ok. Just wanted to be sure. BTW: isn't it decided by desc? Then you could have anything in source, dest etc. −− and it would be ignored. |
| 17:37:01 | webguest20 | n1s: I'll take a look at the gen script. I'm not a perl expert though. |
| 17:37:10 | n1s | dest: is just a description meant for translators afaik |
| 17:39:20 | * | n1s stares angrily at TeX |
| 17:40:04 | webguest20 | n1s: so DEPRECATED in this fields is also just a convenience for translators and not handled specially by the script? That should be changed! |
| 17:40:48 | * | webguest20 loves (La)TeX! |
| 17:41:10 | n1s | oh, sorry I meant desc: not dest: |
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| 17:42:37 | webguest20 | n1s: so is there a field that the script analyzes to be 'DEPRECATED' and treates the entry as deprecated? |
| 17:43:51 | webguest20 | Or is only a check made that all fields are empty ("")? |
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| 17:45:05 | n1s | webguest20: afaik the script handles the id: source: and dest: when building a .lng, when all the strings are empty, well the strings are empty, they're still there, and desc: is used by the translation script to tell translators what the string is used for. |
| 17:45:21 | n1s | no only id: and dest: |
| 17:45:29 | n1s | source is also translation |
| 17:46:35 | n1s | langv2 gained some fancy new features such as the special keywords deprecated and none, none will not make a string but deprecated will make an empty one (again afaik) |
| 17:47:29 | n1s | But if you really want to get the dirty details you should talk to Bagder :-) |
| 17:47:32 | Bagder | and langv2 primarily introduced target-specific translations |
| 17:47:46 | webguest20 | 'deprecated' where? |
| 17:47:52 | n1s | när man talar om trollen :P |
| 17:48:14 | webguest20 | ehm? |
| 17:48:20 | n1s | webguest20: dest: |
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| 17:50:28 | webguest20 | n1s: but in english.lang there are several entires (e.g. LANG_DIRCACHE_REBOOT) with desc=DEPRECATED and dest=""! |
| 17:50:54 | webguest20 | Is english.lang wrong then? |
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| 17:51:24 | webguest20 | Bagder: why don't you say an ultimate word? |
| 17:51:33 | Bagder | I did already |
| 17:51:38 | Bagder | desc can say anything |
| 17:51:41 | n1s | deprecated == "" |
| 17:51:46 | Bagder | exactly |
| 17:52:47 | Bagder | darnit HD resolution is a lot of pixels... |
| 17:52:48 | webguest20 | Bagder: ok, sorry, must have missed smth. |
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| 18:06:37 | preglow | indeed |
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| 18:20:09 | _ke | hi |
| 18:21:51 | _ke | how is the battery runtime on rockbox and on ipodlinux? i know that both systems take twice as much power as the apple firmware.. but where can i find some more information? |
| 18:22:30 | Bagder | there's a runtime wiki page that should have some ipod runtimes with Rockbox |
| 18:24:14 | _ke | just found.. but with ipodlinux? |
| 18:24:36 | markun | _ke: ask in #ipodlinux? |
| 18:25:05 | Bagder | in general, we mostly do Rockbox and don't know much details about ipodlinux |
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| 18:26:33 | _ke | i thought yu guys were working together |
| 18:26:50 | Bagder | not really |
| 18:27:41 | Bagder | but then Rockbox is for many more platforms than just ipod |
| 18:28:07 | _ke | ok ;) |
| 18:28:22 | _ke | anyway its a pretty cool project |
| 18:28:38 | _ke | Bagder, how often do you update yur firmware? |
| 18:29:12 | Bagder | I have 3.5 targets, and I usually just update one of the infrequently when I decide to use that particular one |
| 18:29:21 | Bagder | one of them |
| 18:29:57 | Bagder | the .5 being Sansa, and it doesn't yet actually play sound yet |
| 18:30:13 | _ke | so once a week? |
| 18:30:29 | Bagder | from once per month to once per day, depending on my mood |
| 18:30:42 | Bagder | and on what happens in the project and in my life |
| 18:30:44 | scorche | and whether you are developing or not ;) |
| 18:30:49 | Bagder | yeah, like that |
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| 18:32:12 | Bagder | and I've been a bit on the absent side in that department lately |
| 18:32:28 | _ke | ;) |
| 18:32:39 | scorche | to the sadness of many |
| 18:32:57 | _ke | is there some hidden place for MANY ipod g5 wps-themes? maybe.. |
| 18:33:07 | Bagder | rockbox-themes.org |
| 18:33:38 | scorche | as well as the WPSGallery in the wiki, those are the main 2 places |
| 18:34:33 | _ke | just found those ;) |
| 18:36:00 | Genre9mp3 | _ke: feel free to download whatever you like, and if you ever find someone trying sell it to you run away! |
| 18:36:22 | scorche | not necessarily ;) |
| 18:36:27 | scorche | there is a right way to do things |
| 18:36:51 | Genre9mp3 | any news on that scorche? |
| 18:36:56 | scorche | nope |
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| 18:37:33 | Bagder | well it isn't against any law nor license to attempt to sell these things |
| 18:37:56 | Bagder | just probably not a very profitable business |
| 18:38:31 | scorche | just have to give credit where it is due, ask permission from the WPS authors, most likely post source, etc |
| 18:38:43 | Bagder | yeps |
| 18:40:31 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: Do you know any wps creator that would like the idea that someone (tries to) make money from their themes, especially when they already share them for free? |
| 18:40:54 | scorche | if they asked politely, i wouldnt mind |
| 18:41:02 | scorche | but they are copyrighted |
| 18:41:08 | scorche | so permission must be asked |
| 18:41:15 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: every single open source app in the world can be sold like that |
| 18:41:26 | Bagder | so why would WPS creators be different? |
| 18:42:24 | rasher | Actually, there's not really any clear license on the WPS is there? (apart from those in CVS) |
| 18:42:27 | Genre9mp3 | sure... but this is unfair for a possible buyer when it's already free in the gallery |
| 18:42:38 | Bagder | rasher: no, you'd have to ask for permission/license first |
| 18:42:51 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: I disagree |
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| 18:43:01 | Bagder | looooots of people buy linux |
| 18:43:10 | Bagder | if though it is downloadable perfectly free |
| 18:43:13 | Bagder | even though |
| 18:43:49 | Genre9mp3 | I can understand this for an OS, but for a single file and some bmps? Why someone wants to buy such a thing? |
| 18:43:54 | scorche | rasher: i was under the impression that because they are not under any specified license, they are copyrighted....or something like that... |
| 18:44:04 | rasher | Well yes |
| 18:44:15 | rasher | I meant a license that permitted redistribution |
| 18:44:19 | scorche | Genre9mp3: he isnt offering to sell it to them...he is doing the service of installing |
| 18:44:29 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: well, if there's a market someone might buy them and then there is a market as otherwise nobody would buy them... |
| 18:44:59 | Bagder | and I can understand people wanting to buy a pre-installed rockbox player |
| 18:45:09 | Bagder | if not too expensive |
| 18:45:17 | preglow | didn't someone do that once? |
| 18:45:28 | scorche | in fact, many archos and iriver devices on ebay have had rockbox preinstalled |
| 18:45:30 | Bagder | yes, I remember Jeff did it during a period |
| 18:45:42 | scorche | Bagder: was it successful? =P |
| 18:45:47 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 18:45:57 | Genre9mp3 | The "service" of installing a theme sounds ridiculous to my ears |
| 18:46:37 | Bagder | then don't buy that ;-) |
| 18:47:28 | Genre9mp3 | Well, I doubt it, but maybe someone does because of lack of information |
| 18:47:49 | Genre9mp3 | ...and I think, this is the reason that he doesn't give credit to Rockbox |
| 18:47:49 | scorche | or want to bother |
| 18:49:00 | Genre9mp3 | Providing a link to rockbox site will limit the (already low) chances for a buyer |
| 18:49:21 | scorche | so that gived him the validity to not do it? |
| 18:49:42 | scorche | gave...heh |
| 18:49:50 | * | scorche leaves to go work |
| 18:49:51 | Genre9mp3 | I didn't speak about validity |
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| 20:07:17 | lowlight | I need more dissassembly help...http://pastebin.ca/260843 |
| 20:07:41 | lowlight | I don't see what the first BEQ is comparing |
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| 20:10:03 | preglow | beq isn't a compare, it's a branch on zero flag set |
| 20:10:37 | preglow | this looks like thumb code, which makes it act on the and instruction preceding it |
| 20:11:17 | preglow | it probably checks to see if some bit in r2 is set, then jumps if it isn't |
| 20:12:36 | lowlight | That section was marked as a "subroutine". What do I look for in the preceeding code before the branch to that sub? |
| 20:12:48 | preglow | actually, it seems to check if either of bit 3 or 0 is set |
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| 20:13:57 | preglow | hmm, i don't think i know what the calling convention for thumb code is |
| 20:15:56 | lowlight | here's the calling code http://pastebin.ca/260854 (the previous code was sub_1E4A) |
| 20:18:22 | preglow | weird, looks like r2 is passed, but then just clobbered |
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| 20:19:35 | preglow | what is this for, btw? |
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| 20:20:57 | preglow | both parameters are addresses, that's for sure |
| 20:21:26 | preglow | it does the same thing if none of the bits are set and if only bit 3 is set |
| 20:21:28 | lowlight | "both" ? |
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| 20:21:43 | preglow | does different things for both bit 0 set and both bits sets |
| 20:21:46 | preglow | lowlight: yeah, r0 and r1 |
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| 20:24:13 | lowlight | ok...I think I see...they are referenced, but not set in the subroutine |
| 20:26:26 | preglow | this looks like a switch statement compiled with a bad c compiler |
| 20:26:38 | preglow | it checks for an impossible case, probably the default: case |
| 20:27:13 | lowlight | would the branch flag still be set from the CMP R0, #0 prior to calling the subroutine? |
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| 20:27:41 | preglow | sure |
| 20:27:52 | preglow | as long as nothing modifies it |
| 20:28:44 | preglow | most instructions do, but branches never do |
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| 20:30:09 | preglow | but yeah, the routine code translates to checking bits 0 and 3 of the address contents then doing the following for all cases: 1. none set -> writes 3 to both [r1] and [r0 + 0x14], 2. bit 0 set only -> writes 1 to both of them, 3 bit 3 set only -> writes 3 to both, 4. both bits set -> does nothing |
| 20:30:14 | preglow | in all cases it returns + |
| 20:30:17 | preglow | 0 <- |
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| 20:32:52 | habana | hi hackers |
| 20:33:10 | preglow | what's this code for? |
| 20:33:25 | lowlight | Olympus m:robe 100 bootloader |
| 20:33:38 | preglow | looks like they use a crappy compiler |
| 20:33:48 | habana | is Gnelik still motivated to make a gui for dual boot ? |
| 20:33:49 | rasher | gcc perhaps? |
| 20:34:03 | preglow | habana: you'd have to ask him |
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| 20:34:17 | rasher | habana: I think he's pretty much got one done |
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| 20:34:39 | rasher | Except there's a bug, I believe. |
| 20:34:45 | rasher | Which means that it only works on the first boot. |
| 20:34:55 | habana | nice:) |
| 20:35:26 | habana | err, weird. it would write ata after first boot ? |
| 20:35:36 | habana | ata -> data |
| 20:35:43 | lowlight | preglow: is there any way to know what address the SP references? |
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| 20:35:58 | preglow | lowlight: sp is the stack pointer, it seems r1 points to a local variable |
| 20:36:29 | Soultwister | i have this unofficial build do i copy it over erverything else |
| 20:36:34 | preglow | lowlight: as for at what numerical address, i have no idea, you would have to either simulate the code or play cpu yourself and see where it ends up pointing |
| 20:36:34 | habana | maybe it's possible to keep it read only during boot ? |
| 20:36:48 | lowlight | right, but it does "add r1, sp, #4" |
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| 20:37:36 | t4t3r | anyone around to offer some quick help? |
| 20:37:41 | Soultwister | i have this unofficial build do i copy it over everything else |
| 20:38:26 | preglow | lowlight: and that would be the in the stackframe of the caller, which makes it a very likely location for a local variable |
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| 20:40:32 | Soultwister_ | hi |
| 20:40:40 | Soultwister_ | hi i was dissconnected |
| 20:41:42 | rasher | Soultwister_: Just unzip it on top of what you have now. That should be enough unless the maintainer is doing something stupid, in which case you'll proably have to ask him |
| 20:41:46 | Soultwister_ | i have a unofficial build called john build do i overwrite everthing else to install |
| 20:41:59 | Soultwister_ | ok |
| 20:42:09 | Soultwister_ | cool ill try |
| 20:43:21 | lowlight | preglow: so would this "STMFD SP!, {R0-R12,LR}" set what's on the stack? |
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| 20:45:48 | t4t3r | whenever my ipod boots up with rockbox, it shows the file contents of the ipod (rockbox, calendars, contents, etc). how do i get it to start up in the file browser like it should? |
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| 20:46:14 | preglow | lowlight: yes |
| 20:46:48 | preglow | lowlight: if nothing happens to the sp after that, then r1 is what is at sp + 4 |
| 20:47:05 | preglow | that is, the old sp1 value |
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| 20:59:05 | preglow | r1 value... |
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| 21:09:37 | Soultwister_ | do i have to create playlist on rockbox |
| 21:10:19 | Soultwister_ | or is there another way |
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| 21:11:00 | Soultwister_ | anyone know |
| 21:11:28 | markun | Soultwister_: just click on a song, it will play the whole dir |
| 21:12:01 | niskel | is there a way to clear the playlist on the iPod? |
| 21:12:18 | markun | niskel: does the ipod have a stop button? |
| 21:12:19 | Soultwister_ | well i have radio shows thats sequencial |
| 21:12:23 | Lear | Anyone familiar with iso_encode? |
| 21:12:29 | niskel | markun: nope |
| 21:12:34 | bluebrother | niskel, just create a new one by e.g. playing a new song |
| 21:12:35 | niskel | markun: that is the problem |
| 21:12:54 | niskel | bluebrother: but I dont want an entire dir pulled in |
| 21:13:02 | markun | Lear: a bit |
| 21:13:13 | lowlight | suggestion...http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-320004 |
| 21:13:50 | Lear | The count argument, that's the number of chars to write? |
| 21:13:59 | Lear | Sorry, I mean read. :) |
| 21:14:00 | Soultwister_ | so can u make a playlist outrside rockbox |
| 21:14:10 | Lear | (From the iso string.) |
| 21:14:20 | bluebrother | Soultwister_, you can. |
| 21:14:50 | Soultwister_ | well where do i put these playlist and program can i use |
| 21:15:00 | Soultwister_ | thanks in advance |
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| 21:15:43 | bluebrother | you can put the playlists anywhere. If they contain relative path names it's no problem at all, if they contain absolute path names you need to make sure that paths are absolute in terms of the players disk |
| 21:15:49 | markun | Lear: you are talkint about iso_DEcode, right? |
| 21:16:03 | Lear | Erh, yes. :) (Didn't get much right there...) |
| 21:16:03 | bluebrother | i.e. to the drive letter your player becomes when connected to your pc. |
| 21:16:09 | Soultwister_ | ahh |
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| 21:16:29 | Soultwister_ | so i can use media monkey |
| 21:17:42 | markun | Lear: yes, looks like the max length of the string in bytes |
| 21:18:05 | Lear | So, you can't really tell how many bytes will be written... |
| 21:18:13 | Soultwister_ | as long as i make in the playlist inside ipod drive |
| 21:18:14 | lowlight | Soultwister_: you want to make .m3u files. If media monkey makes them, then yes. |
| 21:19:21 | Soultwister_ | ahh thanks |
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| 21:21:18 | Lear | markun: would be nice with an argument specifying size of utf8 buffer. |
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| 21:23:14 | markun | yes |
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| 21:26:10 | jjl55 | hey i was wondering why my rockboxed ipod boots up showing the folders and stuff instead of the file browser...anyone know how to fix that? |
| 21:26:34 | bluebrother | jjl55, showing up the folders? What do you mean? |
| 21:27:19 | jjl55 | it shows the actual folders in the root directory of the ipod (rockbox, notes, calendar, etc) |
| 21:27:52 | bluebrother | that's perfectly ok. What are you expecting? |
| 21:28:24 | jjl55 | i thought it was supposed to come up after the splash screen with a list of all my music folders |
| 21:28:56 | bluebrother | no. Rockbox uses a file view as default |
| 21:29:08 | n1s | jjl55: look for database in the manual |
| 21:29:16 | bluebrother | alternatively you can use the database view |
| 21:29:40 | jjl55 | okay maybe thats what im expecting |
| 21:30:02 | bluebrother | you can also look for the term "tagcache" −− that's what it was called until some days ago |
| 21:30:39 | bluebrother | especially when browsing the forums |
| 21:30:49 | jjl55 | okay, thank you bluebrother and n1s, i will try that when i get home |
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| 21:49:38 | lowlight | preglow: what's the arm (thumb?) instructions "BPL" and "BMI"? I can't find them in the docs. |
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| 21:56:31 | Lear | Branch if plus/minus? |
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| 21:56:43 | amiconn | lowlight: These are conditional branches, they are in the reference manual |
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| 21:57:44 | Lear | Btw, anyone know the filename encoding used by Windows (as seen by the simulator at least) when opening files? |
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| 22:04:25 | * | lowlight downloads a different arm manual |
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| 22:45:29 | scorche | Bagder: he wrote back |
| 22:46:49 | dan_a | scorche: What did he say? |
| 22:47:00 | scorche | Hi, |
| 22:47:01 | scorche | In fact it's very easy: You can boot your iPod as USB Mass-Storage Drive (this is a build in functionality). In this mode, it is possible to change the bootloader. The bootloader is selfwritten and just a single binary file in the root directory of the iPod. After that, we can start our own application instead of the iPod software, or, switch back to the original software while booting the player (thx to the selfwritten bootloader). |
| 22:47:01 | scorche | The application itself is a normal C++ Application compiled with the GCC for ARM processors. |
| 22:47:01 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scorche |
| 22:47:01 | scorche | C YA |
| 22:47:28 | scorche | I asked him how it was possible to do this with an ipod... |
| 22:47:37 | rasher | "selfwritten" |
| 22:47:45 | scorche | "our own application" |
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| 22:49:06 | pixelma | scorche: did you mention rockbox at any point in your email? |
| 22:49:10 | scorche | no |
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| 22:49:35 | scorche | that was the point of this introductory mail...to see if he would claim it as his own or mention rockbox |
| 22:49:46 | scorche | i would say that he failed this test |
| 22:50:04 | lowlight | my brain's not working...is "LSL r2,r2,#1; LSR r2,r2,#1" the same as "r2 | 0x80000000"? |
| 22:50:48 | bluebrother | scorche, are you talking about that guy on ebay yesterday? |
| 22:50:52 | scorche | yes |
| 22:51:44 | Genre9mp3 | "we can start our own application" hmpf... |
| 22:51:46 | bluebrother | sounds ... not very pleasant |
| 22:51:48 | dan_a | lowlight: I think that should be "r2 & ~(0x80000000)" |
| 22:52:04 | rasher | Still perfecty legal, albeit pretty crappy |
| 22:52:15 | scorche | how is it perfectly legal? |
| 22:52:35 | rasher | He's not breaking any copyright agreements yet |
| 22:52:42 | rasher | Now if he keep that attitude up after the sale |
| 22:52:46 | rasher | that's a different story |
| 22:52:51 | bluebrother | not yet ... |
| 22:53:18 | rasher | Well yes, he doesn |
| 22:53:25 | rasher | 't fill me with confidence. |
| 22:53:29 | scorche | well, he is taking the WPSs and marketing them as his own |
| 22:53:46 | Febs | We should buy one copy and then leave feedback saying "The same thing is available for free at www.rockbox.org." |
| 22:54:00 | lowlight | dan_a: thanks |
| 22:54:33 | Febs | We should probably put a copyright notice on the WPS Gallery. |
| 22:54:38 | scorche | i wish there was a way to see if anyone bought his service |
| 22:54:56 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: Previous transactions? |
| 22:55:08 | Febs | Do an advanced search for that seller and completed items. |
| 22:55:18 | scorche | i am at the moment |
| 22:55:46 | scorche | but it is a buy it now, which means that you cant see any bids/winners like normally |
| 22:55:49 | bluebrother | but is selling artwork from the internet as his own legal in germany? |
| 22:56:39 | hcs | seems that it would depend somewhat on the license of the WPS... |
| 22:56:54 | scorche | i also wish that i could get a hold of the binary he puts on there to see if it is modified... |
| 22:57:01 | Febs | His statement that the software is "selfwritten" would probably constitute fraud and a violation of various consumer protection acts in the United States. |
| 22:57:40 | scorche | hcs: they arent under a license |
| 22:58:03 | n1s | We should put www.rockbox.org in the splash, and if someone removed it they would have to host their own sources, not just link. |
| 22:58:04 | hcs | well there we go... |
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| 22:58:50 | scorche | hcs: they fall under copyright |
| 22:59:23 | hcs | scorche: right, from which I would assume he has no right to use them at all, regardless of credit given, but I don't know the laws, especially in Germany |
| 22:59:51 | bluebrother | but rockbox is in the splash (as with the logo) |
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| 23:00:01 | bluebrother | but maybe add it as additional line there |
| 23:00:42 | scorche | bluebrother: that is why i am wondering if he modified the code at all |
| 23:00:54 | scorche | then again, he said it was in C++ |
| 23:01:12 | Genre9mp3 | he maybe doesn't know that Rockbox is in C |
| 23:01:39 | hcs | Has this sort of thing happened before (unattributed sale of Rockbox)? |
| 23:01:49 | Bagder | to lots of people C and C++ are equivalents |
| 23:01:58 | Bagder | mainly to those without enough clues |
| 23:02:03 | rasher | Even to g++ |
| 23:02:12 | rasher | one way, any way |
| 23:02:30 | bluebrother | but that doesn't make him look better. |
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| 23:02:51 | bluebrother | hehe, he announces "volume normalization". I only know of ReplayGain in Rockbox |
| 23:03:20 | rasher | I guess the real problem is the WPS. |
| 23:03:39 | ani-adom | hi |
| 23:04:51 | scorche | Bagder: suggested course of action?...the auction has ended recently and has not been put back up yet...should i try to get more information, wait till he puts it up again, or mail him now about it all? |
| 23:05:27 | Bagder | I'd say mail him now |
| 23:05:42 | ani-adom | who do i use patch bitmap-only? |
| 23:05:50 | Bagder | I mean, you can just tell him what you think and inform him about the situation |
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| 23:06:58 | scorche | alright...I will do that when i come back in a bit |
| 23:07:02 | ani-adom | Bagder: can u help me? |
| 23:07:10 | bluebrother | maybe it's some kind of kiddie who thinks he is kewl by selling something like that |
| 23:07:19 | Bagder | ani-adom: I don't understand your question |
| 23:07:39 | scorche | bluebrother: of course..."pimp your pod" |
| 23:08:21 | ani-adom | i want to use h300-rmx wps. and i need: his wps needs backdrop, bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins to work. |
| 23:08:42 | ani-adom | where can i get this patch? |
| 23:09:02 | Bagder | the patch tracker |
| 23:09:10 | Bagder | and it sounds like multiple patches |
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| 23:09:58 | dan_a | Would anyone be able to help me with some ARM assembler? MrH had a look at our bootloader the other day, and his opinion was that it was not particularly dual-core safe. I've rewritten the assembler part of the bootloader based on the things he said, but it reloads itsself instead of the firmware. http://pastebin.ca/261082 |
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| 23:10:07 | * | scorche is off once again |
| 23:10:43 | dan_a | I'm sure I've missed something small and important about it... |
| 23:10:53 | ani-adom | Bagder: where can i get this patch tracker? |
| 23:11:00 | Bagder | ani-adom: on rockbox.org |
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| 23:12:05 | ani-adom | im on it. |
| 23:12:14 | ani-adom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4802 |
| 23:12:25 | ani-adom | and i dont know what to do... |
| 23:12:36 | Bagder | then you're up for some fun |
| 23:12:50 | Bagder | 1) get a dev kit installed 2) learn to use it 3) learn patch 4) apply patches |
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| 23:13:37 | n1s | 0) learn to search the wiki :-) |
| 23:13:55 | preglow | dan_a: having a look |
| 23:14:07 | dan_a | preglow: Thank you |
| 23:14:10 | Bagder | 0.5) search for forums for existing custom builds with the patches applied |
| 23:14:21 | Bagder | search the forums even |
| 23:16:06 | ani-adom | ammmmmmmmm |
| 23:16:10 | ani-adom | dev kit? |
| 23:16:28 | tyrion | ani-adom: search for it |
| 23:16:51 | preglow | found a small optimisation if nothing else :> |
| 23:16:53 | ani-adom | were? |
| 23:17:10 | ani-adom | ni rockbox? |
| 23:17:38 | dan_a | preglow: That's likely - it's mostly a cut-and-paste job from the existing bootloader |
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| 23:19:37 | preglow | hmm, line 61 and on looks weird |
| 23:20:02 | preglow | seems like it does r0 = dataend - 0x40000000 |
| 23:20:17 | preglow | and i think dataend is very much lower for the bootloader than 0x40000000 |
| 23:22:05 | preglow | also, line 57 |
| 23:22:11 | preglow | shouldn't constant be 0xff000000 ? |
| 23:22:15 | dan_a | dataend is in my bootloader.map as 4000e064 |
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| 23:22:46 | preglow | yeah, here too, checked the map |
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| 23:23:49 | dan_a | I'd say you were right about line 57, but that is in the original loader (which works.) I'll try it with the mask changed, though |
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| 23:24:20 | preglow | it probably doesn't matter since the address probably is so low it'll work |
| 23:24:43 | preglow | i could have sworn i used 0xff000000 when i first wrote the arm bootloader |
| 23:25:32 | preglow | yeah, it's correct here, in crt0-pp.S |
| 23:26:01 | preglow | in which case the optimisation i first talked about doesn't apply anymore :> |
| 23:26:53 | dan_a | It's correct in the non-bootloader part of crt0-pp, but it's 0xffffff00 in the bootloader section |
| 23:27:58 | preglow | so i see |
| 23:28:52 | dan_a | But that's not the cause of the problem - with the mask changed it still doesn't work. |
| 23:29:03 | jba | hey guys, anyone have much experience debuggin with splashes? As in why do they sometimes work and sometimes not? |
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| 23:29:10 | preglow | ahh, right, now i remember, the whole thing is linked for IRAM |
| 23:29:21 | jba | in particular why I can't get splash to work in audio_stop of playback.c? |
| 23:29:51 | jba | jhMikeS, if you're watching am trying to test a possible fix to the corrupt playing variable on the gigabeat port, but want to use the splash to do it |
| 23:31:07 | jhMikeS | jba: won't tell you since I can't get "I got a bag full 'o crabs here" out of my here :D |
| 23:32:05 | preglow | dan_a: hrm, i'm thinking line 72 might be pretty dangerous |
| 23:32:05 | jhMikeS | s/hear/head |
| 23:32:18 | jhMikeS | jba: what's up? |
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| 23:33:12 | dan_a | preglow: Are you thinking if the COP hits that line before the CPU sets the startup location? |
| 23:33:44 | dan_a | Ignore that, I'm getting confused between start_loc and startup_loc |
| 23:34:10 | preglow | dan_a: that line really turns into a pc relative load |
| 23:34:27 | preglow | no, wait, wait, this has to work somehow |
| 23:34:32 | preglow | or ipods would not be booting today |
| 23:34:52 | preglow | yeah, it does work, forget me |
| 23:37:23 | dan_a | preglow: Yes, I've just checked in the decompile, and that turns to a jump into IRAM |
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| 23:38:11 | dan_a | Was the optimization you were talking about to do an RSL followed by the LSL by any chance? |
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| 23:38:41 | preglow | no, it was doing a bic r4, pc, #0xff |
| 23:39:06 | preglow | which replaces lines 57-58 and saves eight bytes in total |
| 23:39:11 | preglow | just nitpicking :> |
| 23:39:37 | dan_a | preglow: It's the only way I'll learn :D |
| 23:40:08 | preglow | dan_a: if you changed the constant to 0xff000000 that can be changed to and r4, pc, #0xff000000 anyway |
| 23:40:18 | preglow | like i do in crt0-pp.S |
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| 23:43:49 | preglow | but i can't see anything wrong |
| 23:43:52 | preglow | exactly what happens? |
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| 23:44:31 | dan_a | It runs main(), and then reboots to the bootloader |
| 23:45:04 | dan_a | Hmmm, the change you suggested saved more than 4 bytes... |
| 23:45:13 | preglow | it should save eight |
| 23:46:20 | dan_a | 256, according to "ls -l bootloader/bootloader.bin" |
| 23:46:55 | preglow | what? changed to a single instrudction and saved 256 bytes? |
| 23:47:28 | preglow | changing |
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| 23:47:52 | dan_a | Yes. I'll undo it and see if it changes back. |
| 23:48:40 | preglow | probably hit some alignment or something, then |
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| 23:49:39 | Mercutio | Hello everyone, have a challenge question for anyone |
| 23:50:05 | Mercutio | anyone looked at the zune much? |
| 23:50:49 | dan_a | preglow: It must be an alignment thing |
| 23:51:46 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:51:53 | preglow | there might be a race condition in here |
| 23:52:18 | Mercutio | ? |
| 23:52:31 | preglow | the main cpu, after loading the firmware image, wakes the cop then immediately jumps to crt0 |
| 23:52:55 | preglow | the first thing the cop does after waking is starting to flush its cache, which means it'll be staying and executing in iram for a little while yet |
| 23:53:10 | preglow | this depends on crt0 on the cpu not clearing the iram too fast |
| 23:53:21 | preglow | if it does clear the iram at all, hmm, lemme check |
| 23:53:31 | Mercutio | well guess that tells me what I need to know for now |
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| 23:54:02 | Mercutio | would donating a zune to rockbox help garner some interest? |
| 23:54:07 | preglow | it doesn't, then ok |
| 23:54:14 | dan_a | Mercutio: I don't think anyone in here has a Zune. Nobody's mentioned it, anyway. |
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| 23:54:44 | Bagder | Mercutio: if you find any dev who feels like getting a Zune would kickstart their effort on it - I doubt you'll do that |
| 23:54:53 | Mercutio | I reccomend looking at it, some interesting possibilities if unlocked with linux |
| 23:55:04 | Bagder | rockbox is not linux... |
| 23:55:22 | Mercutio | ok but you are about replacing the firmware yes? |
| 23:55:22 | preglow | we only wish it was! |
| 23:55:52 | preglow | yes |
| 23:56:24 | Mercutio | so unlocking the potential of the zune starts with replacing the firmware MS has put in there |
| 23:56:33 | Mercutio | or am I all wrong? |
| 23:56:37 | preglow | no |
| 23:56:41 | dan_a | preglow: I guess I could try to wait for the COP to finish invalidating its cache before jumping into crt0 |
| 23:56:43 | Bagder | that sounds right |
| 23:56:46 | preglow | but i don't know what the hardware doc status is for the zune |
| 23:56:56 | Bagder | Mercutio: but replacing the firmware/OS of a player is a major effort |
| 23:56:58 | Mercutio | you mean specs I assume? |
| 23:57:02 | preglow | Mercutio: yes |
| 23:57:11 | Mercutio | yes but I think it would be worth it after looking at a zune |
| 23:57:12 | preglow | dan_a: doubt it'll matter |
| 23:57:29 | Mercutio | mostly for the wiFi |
| 23:57:43 | dan_a | Mercutio: You might want to talk to the people trying to get Rockbox on the Gigabeat - I believe the hardware is somewhat similar. |
| 23:58:09 | Bagder | the zune uses a freescale i.mx iirc |
| 23:58:10 | Mercutio | thats what I have been seeing in my researching on the zune |
| 23:58:24 | Mercutio | I admit most of this is over my head |
| 23:58:38 | Mercutio | just looking for the help from those who know what they are doing |
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