| 00:00:12 | Bagder | a step-by-step guide and out comes a Rockbox port in the end :-) |
| 00:00:13 | Mercutio | I'm going to learn as much as I can and I will buy a zune for someone who knows they can do this |
| 00:00:19 | Mercutio | cool |
| 00:00:27 | Mercutio | its a start in the right direction |
| 00:01:36 | Mercutio | thank yall for your help, and I'll check back with yall if anything starts to happen, if you care to know about it |
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| 00:03:34 | preglow | anyone think reverse stereo is something worth stuffing into rockbox? |
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| 00:05:23 | jhMikeS | I seem to keep putting my headphones on backwards all the time so sure. I'm too lazy to turn them around. :) |
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| 00:06:05 | PaulJam | i don't think i would even notice if the channels were reversed. |
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| 00:13:58 | jba | jhMikeS, bag full of crabs? |
| 00:14:02 | jba | anyway, sorry got held up at work |
| 00:14:25 | jba | something worth stuffing into rockbox is rotwating the display orientation\ |
| 00:15:48 | Bagder | that's not a small thing |
| 00:15:53 | Bagder | it'd be major |
| 00:16:06 | jba | hehe |
| 00:16:21 | jba | but way cool for displays which are longer than they are wider |
| 00:16:30 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:16:54 | Bagder | would be easier to build two different Rockbox builds and switch between them ;-) |
| 00:16:59 | jba | like say, the gigabeat |
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| 00:17:06 | dan_a | or the Sansa! |
| 00:17:22 | jhMikeS | jba: Weebls stuff? |
| 00:17:34 | jba | aah you're still on that |
| 00:17:39 | jba | i appologise for posting the link here then |
| 00:17:48 | jhMikeS | jba: It won't go away ;) |
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| 00:17:53 | jba | jhMikeS, what I was asking before was some novel way of testing the value of paying in audio_stop (playback.c) other than drawing a line on the screen |
| 00:18:09 | jba | I tried gui_synchsplash but it doesn't display anything when called from within playback.c |
| 00:18:19 | jba | weebls is funny though |
| 00:19:02 | jhMikeS | jba: lcd_puts? don't know why it wouldn't work from playback.c. they're used there. |
| 00:19:25 | jba | neither does lcd_puts (which is why i tried splashes) |
| 00:19:40 | jba | so on a normal working port, lcd_puts should work anywhere, regardless of mode? |
| 00:20:07 | jhMikeS | unless it's getting overwritten real quick so you can't see it |
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| 00:20:37 | jba | that's what i thought about lcd_puts, which is why i chose splash, they're modal aren't they? |
| 00:21:46 | jhMikeS | jba: but it yields and other threads can overwrite. i'd do a splash with a timeout of 0 and then just do a million loops or something to freeze things |
| 00:22:01 | jba | thanks for the suggestion wil ltry it |
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| 00:22:12 | jba | so timeout 0, is indefinite splash? |
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| 00:22:46 | jhMikeS | jba: no, it returns immediately but perform no yielding |
| 00:23:18 | jba | so it won't get wiped |
| 00:23:22 | jhMikeS | right |
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| 00:23:31 | jba | okay thanksmate will test that one |
| 00:23:49 | jba | someone should add a debug_splash to the splash.c implementation that does that |
| 00:23:57 | jba | like me maybe |
| 00:24:22 | jhMikeS | just have to do a loop, no yield checking ticks I suppose |
| 00:25:45 | jba | a loop with continue, won't get optimisedd out? |
| 00:26:56 | jhMikeS | just a for loop incrementing a variable will stay or whatever |
| 00:27:42 | jba | tah |
| 00:29:05 | dan_a | preglow: Waiting for the cache invalidation to finish doesn't help (but on the plus side, it did teach me how to put data in IRAM from assembler) |
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| 00:36:34 | preglow | weird |
| 00:36:41 | preglow | eh, no, not weird :> |
| 00:36:44 | preglow | i didn't expect it to work |
| 00:38:00 | preglow | i need to sleep, later |
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| 00:38:11 | dan_a | Thanks for your help |
| 00:40:17 | markun | Bagder: we can now do a full screen update at 272fps on the gigabeat |
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| 00:43:13 | amiconn | jba: Changing the splash to wait for a certain time will severely change the timing, not very useful for debugging imho |
| 00:44:04 | amiconn | If I had a gigabeat, I would try to make use of the special display properties to resemble the logf display rockbox does on the targets with remote lcd |
| 00:44:14 | jba | amiconn, i just need some feedback mechanism, anything |
| 00:44:22 | jba | can you suggest something different? |
| 00:44:28 | amiconn | The display is huge, so you could split it in 2 sub-displays |
| 00:44:57 | amiconn | Just tell rockbox the main lcd is smaller than it actually is, and put debug output in the free space with a secondary driver |
| 00:44:58 | jba | i don't get what your driving at? |
| 00:45:04 | jba | aah |
| 00:45:06 | jba | i see |
| 00:45:19 | jba | well i guess i could do that, but that means I need to spend time writing a new lcd driver :( |
| 00:45:29 | jba | but you know that is the best way to debug though, you're right |
| 00:45:46 | amiconn | This isn't really difficult, but unfortzunately quite some work atm |
| 00:46:37 | * | amiconn wishes he would have had some time to work on viewports |
| 00:48:58 | amiconn | I still wonder why the variable only misbehaves on the gigabeat though |
| 00:49:10 | jba | thhat's what i'm trying to find out |
| 00:49:24 | jba | it seems any call to audio_stop hangs it, not just talk_init |
| 00:50:01 | amiconn | This is during init, correct? |
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| 00:52:23 | jba | no we put an if around it that stop it dufing init |
| 00:52:33 | jba | any call to audio_get_buffer fails |
| 00:53:07 | amiconn | I would at first try to put splashes that show the value of that variable at different points of the init |
| 00:53:09 | jhMikeS | I think a quick and dirty look at which stage in init, after audio_preinit it get changed, would be enough to track it down or narrow the search alot imho. My first suspect isn't playback.c...could be wrong...but it doesn't seem likely. |
| 00:53:30 | amiconn | I mean in the main thread which actually calls the various inits |
| 00:53:34 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:54:11 | amiconn | Usually only the main thread draws to the lcd, so if you splash from there, with a delay, it won't get overwritten |
| 00:54:48 | amiconn | You can use lcd functions from other threads, but you must be very careful what you're doing there |
| 00:55:54 | amiconn | One thing is that the main thread may immediately overwrite what the other thread just put on the display, another thing is that the main thread assumes no one else changes status values like colour, draw mode etc |
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| 00:57:04 | jhMikeS | having logf on a remote is a very nice thing indeed |
| 00:57:12 | amiconn | Just avoid one thing: never use lcd functions from ISRs unless you're really sure what you're doing |
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| 00:57:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Actually I almost never even use logf, let alone logf on the remote |
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| 00:58:39 | amiconn | I did all my Ondio MMC driver development using the debug menu and splashes. Back then there was no logf(), and debug builds like on the other Archoses aren't possible on the Ondio. |
| 00:59:02 | jhMikeS | well, it just got me right to the fix for FS #6389 which turned out to be my fault :( |
| 00:59:03 | amiconn | At least not when trying to access the MMC, which is obviously an essential point when writing an MMC driver ;) |
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| 02:00:47 | xipietotec | any chance the rockbox team is going to tackle the zune or gremlin? |
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| 02:34:11 | mikeo | wow this channel really grew from the archos days |
| 02:37:45 | ze | no kidding |
| 02:37:49 | ze | who are all thse people? |
| 02:38:42 | tyrion | ze: one would assume we are rockbox developers, users, fanboys and $others |
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| 02:39:39 | ze | tyrion: or various combinations of the above and/or ex-above |
| 02:40:47 | tyrion | ze: well no, if your a devoleper your not allowed be a user, end of |
| 02:41:12 | ze | well i'm an ex-pseudo-developer, ex-user, fanboy, and probably $other |
| 02:42:00 | ze | and, although this is admittedly IRC, there could also potentially maybe be fangirls |
| 02:42:03 | ze | :p |
| 02:43:07 | tyrion | ze: girls? on IRC? hahaha |
| 02:43:11 | ze | yeah i know |
| 02:43:18 | ze | i've seen it happen before, though |
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| 02:43:27 | tyrion | and if they say they're girls... watch out |
| 02:43:49 | tyrion | its probabbly a naked 40year old guy |
| 02:44:05 | ze | well you know what they say |
| 02:44:15 | ze | IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the 14yo girls are FBI agents |
| 02:44:25 | tyrion | :) yes |
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| 02:48:10 | tyrion | ze: mind you, this is what i though of when you said "You know what thy say" http://url.ie/2hl |
| 02:50:35 | ze | host not found |
| 02:50:39 | ze | not in X anyway so no swf |
| 02:50:46 | ze | i'll try later i guess |
| 02:50:47 | ze | heh |
| 02:51:01 | tyrion | ze: http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html |
| 02:51:11 | tyrion | first toon, ONCE YOU GO BLACK |
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| 03:18:41 | webguest91 | can anybody help me install 5g video ipod |
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| 03:43:00 | Terinjokes | hey! |
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| 03:52:48 | Davide-NYC | Whould you all call Rockbox a "new project"? |
| 03:53:00 | Davide-NYC | Is it "based on linux"? |
| 03:53:44 | Davide-NYC | http://www.computeractive.co.uk/personal-computer-world/features/2168802/hands-rockbox-ipod |
| 03:53:51 | Davide-NYC | Bizarre |
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| 04:04:46 | Pajama-B | http://cgi.ebay.com/Charger-AC-Power-adapter-FOR-iRiver-iGP-100-H-120-H-140_W0QQitemZ130043098592QQihZ003QQcategoryZ86541QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:04:47 | Davide-NYC | hey |
| 04:04:56 | Pajama-B | you think this is leget? |
| 04:05:24 | Davide-NYC | dunno |
| 04:05:33 | Pajama-B | Got my new iriver today but they sent me the wrong charger... |
| 04:05:41 | Davide-NYC | do you have a multimeter? |
| 04:05:56 | Davide-NYC | you have to be SUPER careful with the H1x0 units |
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| 04:05:59 | Pajama-B | nope |
| 04:06:00 | Pajama-B | yeah i know |
| 04:06:17 | rasher | What's wrong with the charger they sent? |
| 04:06:17 | Pajama-B | it just won't fit in a us wall socket that's all |
| 04:06:27 | Pajama-B | European or something |
| 04:06:29 | rasher | Just buy a converter |
| 04:06:30 | Davide-NYC | no biggee, get an adapet for 4# |
| 04:06:34 | Davide-NYC | $3 |
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| 04:06:49 | rasher | It's the same charger - takes 110-240v |
| 04:07:00 | Davide-NYC | yeah, what rasher said |
| 04:07:07 | rasher | Just a different socket |
| 04:07:11 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 04:07:36 | Pajama-B | I went to radio shack which is the only store we have around here that would sell that kind of thing, and it was loose, wasn't making contact |
| 04:07:37 | Davide-NYC | gotta go |
| 04:07:44 | Pajama-B | so don't think it was the right one |
| 04:08:52 | Davide-NYC | you don't need a new charger... good luck. |
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| 04:09:23 | rasher | The easiest solution is to find the right adapter |
| 04:09:26 | rasher | And safest |
| 04:09:29 | rasher | And cheapest |
| 04:09:34 | Pajama-B | yeah |
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| 04:26:10 | sekondchakra | (it writes something to a log every disc access or something.. |
| 04:26:36 | sekondchakra | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
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| 06:51:54 | wilberfan | GAK! I'm about ready to strangle something.... How the frick do you get a bookmark to work?! |
| 06:52:57 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 06:53:19 | wilberfan | Dude....that's where I started~! |
| 06:53:39 | scorche | then what is the issue you are having? |
| 06:54:18 | wilberfan | I've got everything set... "Bookmark on Stop" = yes (or ask)... But I'm never prompted for anything....and nothing ever gets saved...! |
| 06:54:19 | scorche | SoapIsOutOfTown: there? |
| 06:54:30 | wilberfan | what does "Stop" mean, exactly...?! |
| 06:54:39 | scorche | when you stop the playback |
| 06:54:45 | wilberfan | HOW exactly.... |
| 06:54:59 | scorche | what device do you have? |
| 06:55:02 | wilberfan | >|| is "pause" technically, isn't it?? |
| 06:55:07 | wilberfan | ipod mini 1g |
| 06:55:07 | scorche | it is |
| 06:55:18 | scorche | hold play/pause |
| 06:55:23 | scorche | for 2 seconds |
| 06:55:25 | scorche | or so |
| 06:55:34 | scorche | but not long enough to cause a shutdown |
| 06:55:43 | wilberfan | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........ |
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| 06:56:21 | wilberfan | Man...that's a tricky piece of timing....! |
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| 06:57:11 | scorche | not really |
| 06:57:21 | wilberfan | I haven't managed it yet! |
| 06:57:21 | scorche | as soon as the WPS goes away, you can release |
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| 06:58:04 | wilberfan | OK...it goes back to the tagcache listing that I started it from....but still no bookmark prompt.... |
| 06:58:50 | wilberfan | I DO see a little black square (which must indicated "stopped")...but why no prompt?? |
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| 07:01:40 | wilberfan | {sigh} man, this sucker just AIN'T ready for Prime Time, is it...?! |
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| 07:03:29 | wilberfan | well, thanks for the "stop" explanation, anyway... |
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| 08:33:36 | webguest99 | petur: ping |
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| 09:02:08 | dan_a | preglow: There was nothing wrong with my assembly code. Creating the MI4 file overwrites the data from 0xe0-0xeb. I've been burned by this a few times, so I'll see if there's anything I can do to get the linker to die if it's putting anything at those addresses. |
| 09:03:11 | Bagder | dan_a: or just write a tiny tool that checks that after link and shows a huge warning banner it so |
| 09:03:16 | Bagder | if so |
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| 09:05:04 | dan_a | Bagder: I'll see what I can come up with. Please pass on my thanks to MrH for finding that :) |
| 09:05:24 | Bagder | something tells me he'll read you saying it here ;-) |
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| 09:09:58 | webguest99 | hi petur |
| 09:10:25 | petur | yo |
| 09:10:51 | * | petur looks up webguest99 in his contacts book |
| 09:11:20 | webguest99 | petur: could you please have a look at FS #6394 and FS #6387 and (if you like them) commit? |
| 09:11:51 | petur | ah it's you ;) |
| 09:11:58 | Slasheri | oh, i get the ipod today \o/ |
| 09:12:05 | webguest99 | I'm a KGB agent, I'm not allowed to disclose my identity:-) |
| 09:12:36 | petur | watch out for radioactive poison then.... |
| 09:13:40 | webguest99 | petur: that's not funny at all! |
| 09:13:50 | petur | :p |
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| 09:14:12 | petur | I'll make a note of the patches and see if I find some time tonight |
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| 09:15:06 | webguest99 | petur: ok |
| 09:16:05 | petur | webguest99: would it not be better to just change it in all the lang files iso this DEPRECATED stuff? After all, we're just renaming the ID... |
| 09:16:34 | * | petur wonders what the rules are for DEPRECATED |
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| 09:17:13 | Bagder | renaming IDs will break older lang files |
| 09:17:53 | petur | not if you change them all. but it will probably break voice files |
| 09:17:57 | petur | no? |
| 09:18:25 | Bagder | ehm, yeah |
| 09:19:00 | petur | pruning would be a nice code/ram saver if there's more of those in there |
| 09:19:25 | petur | maybe together with string sharing (jhMikeS also found some idnticals) |
| 09:19:36 | Bagder | yes, and then we should bump the lang file number |
| 09:19:44 | Bagder | just to be nice |
| 09:20:11 | petur | and apologise to our blind users |
| 09:20:32 | petur | or offer fresh voice files |
| 09:20:59 | markun | playing all these games on my Gigabeat distracts me from working on audio playback :) |
| 09:21:35 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:21:35 | * | petur is still considering getting a gigabeat for his father... really looks nice 'n powerfull |
| 09:22:08 | markun | Bagder: some gameboy color roms now |
| 09:22:23 | Bagder | wooo |
| 09:22:36 | * | petur whispers audio audio audio ... |
| 09:23:09 | petur | are there serious problems for audio like missing datasheets or connections? |
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| 09:23:15 | markun | no |
| 09:23:22 | petur | goodie |
| 09:23:31 | petur | just doing the work eh? ;) |
| 09:24:05 | amiconn | petur: What will probably save most is going through all .lang files and use the power of langv2 to eliminate (empty or remove, depending on the kind of string) unused strings per target |
| 09:24:06 | webguest99 | petur: I'm a little man, not brave enough to propose such radical things as global ID renaming |
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| 09:24:47 | webguest99 | peur: but it would be good, yes |
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| 09:25:58 | Slasheri | got the ipod \o/ |
| 09:26:12 | linuxstb | A 5.5g? |
| 09:26:21 | Slasheri | yes, 30GB :) |
| 09:26:25 | petur | now you can try to brick that one too |
| 09:26:33 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you add a few small features to genlang (if they're not yet there)? |
| 09:26:34 | Slasheri | now opening the package and patching rockbox ;) |
| 09:26:36 | linuxstb | Have fun with the 2048 byte sectors... |
| 09:26:38 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 09:26:43 | Slasheri | i will :) |
| 09:27:00 | linuxstb | Are you planning on trying to fix that patch? |
| 09:27:02 | * | scorche wonders why not the 80 gig |
| 09:27:04 | scorche | ;) |
| 09:27:06 | Slasheri | of course |
| 09:27:09 | Slasheri | :) |
| 09:27:16 | linuxstb | scorche: He's just lazy... |
| 09:27:23 | scorche | of course... |
| 09:28:16 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Are you going to try to go for run-time detection of sector size, or add a new build? |
| 09:28:23 | scorche | oof...i just realized that i was resting my foot *right* next to the switch for my power strip...i think i need to move that |
| 09:28:48 | Slasheri | linuxstb: run-time detection |
| 09:30:47 | linuxstb | Is this ipod your only working Rockbox device now? |
| 09:30:53 | Slasheri | and also fixing the scheduler to run UI on separate core |
| 09:31:07 | Slasheri | yes, until i get it working :) |
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| 09:32:03 | linuxstb | Just don't try flashing a new bootloader... |
| 09:32:11 | petur | rofl |
| 09:32:12 | LinusN | Slasheri: the mailman woke me up at 7 with an express package :-) |
| 09:32:38 | * | linuxstb would love Rockbox in flash on the ipods though... |
| 09:32:49 | Slasheri | LinusN: oh, "nice" ;) |
| 09:32:57 | Slasheri | you got it :) |
| 09:33:37 | LinusN | yup. will solder the bdm connector in a few minutes |
| 09:33:50 | Slasheri | thanks, but no hurry :) |
| 09:36:39 | dan_a | linuxstb: Where did you get up to with RoLo on the iPods? Did all the work you did get committed? |
| 09:37:55 | Slasheri | hmm, that ipod seems to be really nice. need to start compiling rockbox now :) |
| 09:38:31 | petur | what? it's not running yet? |
| 09:38:34 | petur | :p |
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| 09:41:03 | Slasheri | it's soon :) |
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| 09:42:54 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, I think it's all committed. My local tree is just failed experiments to get it working reliably. |
| 09:43:52 | dan_a | If I can figure out cache flushing on the PP5002, I'll see what I can do, probably this evening |
| 09:44:46 | dan_a | Were you trying to load OF with it, too? If so, are there instructions for making the image anywhere? |
| 09:44:56 | linuxstb | dan_a: In fact, I think I do have an uncomitted patch - it adds support for booting ".bin" images (e.g. the IPL kernel and RetailOS). Not sure if it will still apply cleanly, but it's here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rolo.diff |
| 09:45:09 | Slasheri | linuxstb: should i run tools/configure and select the ipod video? |
| 09:45:12 | dan_a | linuxstb: Thanks! |
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| 09:46:43 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I guess so... |
| 09:47:06 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 09:47:46 | Slasheri | and after make i have no idea what to do next ;) will search the wiki.. |
| 09:48:03 | linuxstb | dan_a: I would expect that loading the original firmware fails because of the COP - my patch doesn't attempt to leave it in the right state (whatever that state should be...). |
| 09:48:45 | linuxstb | Slasheri: You'll need the patched versions of ipod_fw.c and (if you're on Windows) ipodpatcher.exe |
| 09:49:20 | dan_a | linuxstb: That's one of the things I'll be playing with - but it might have some data in its cache, hence the need for a cache invalidate function |
| 09:49:27 | Slasheri | i am on linux.. hmm, do i need to compiler a patched version of the bootloader also? |
| 09:49:31 | Slasheri | -r |
| 09:49:35 | linuxstb | Ah, yes. |
| 09:50:14 | Slasheri | ok, almost done :) |
| 09:50:18 | linuxstb | As you probably know, the ipod bootloader is just written to the disk, so it's easy to recover from bad bootloaders. |
| 09:51:36 | linuxstb | dan_a: Loading the original firmware with Rolo will be a useful feature, given our bootloader's stubbornness in detecting key presses. |
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| 10:02:47 | Slasheri | hehe, now writing the bootloader image to the ipod disk :) |
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| 10:05:36 | Slasheri | oh, rockbox works great :) |
| 10:05:46 | Slasheri | or booted at least |
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| 10:09:11 | LinusN | Slasheri: ok, the bdm connector is mounted |
| 10:09:30 | LinusN | will try to connect this evening |
| 10:10:44 | thegeek | Ah, best news in a long time |
| 10:10:52 | Slasheri | LinusN: great :) |
| 10:11:17 | thegeek | Slasheri: if you need anyone to test 80gb 5.5g code just let me know;P |
| 10:11:40 | Slasheri | thegeek: hehe :) |
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| 10:18:34 | Slasheri | hmm, just wondering how can i shutdown rockbox or reboot it cleanly on ipod |
| 10:20:09 | PaulJam | i think it is holding the play button |
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| 10:20:53 | Slasheri | ah, thanks. that did it |
| 10:21:27 | linuxstb | Yes, long press on PLAY. Other important key combinations - holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds is a hardware reset, and holding SELECT+PLAY whilst booting takes you to the Apple emergency USB mode. |
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| 10:23:56 | Slasheri | well, that 5.5G is definately usable. Almost everything seems to work quite well, except the playlist which i will debug soon |
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| 10:26:12 | Slasheri | even tagcache committed, so filesystem driver should be quite good |
| 10:26:28 | Slasheri | and tagcache puts extreme stress on the filesystem code |
| 10:26:41 | LinusN | i'm really curious why apple would want larger sector sizes |
| 10:27:44 | LinusN | Slasheri: myzar will soon be your biggest fan :-) |
| 10:27:51 | Slasheri | :D |
| 10:28:06 | Bagder | LinusN: to reduce the number of sectors needed when going 80GB? maybe they have a lack of bits! ;-P |
| 10:28:19 | * | Bagder starts bitsforsale.com |
| 10:28:29 | scorche | Slasheri: be sure to have your anti-myzar-lick spray on hand |
| 10:29:10 | LinusN | seriously, can anyone think of a good explanation for the sector size? |
| 10:29:27 | Slasheri | nice, i can even skip tracks when ipod is in my pocked under the protective coat.. works even better than with h140. Just need to find the right "spot" to click on |
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| 10:31:22 | Slasheri | interesting.. clickwheel works too under that coat |
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| 10:32:44 | thegeek | I've noticed too |
| 10:33:02 | thegeek | however I think it's cheap of apple not to include a proper "case" |
| 10:33:22 | thegeek | they could atleast have made some transparent cutouts for the bag/case that is included |
| 10:33:43 | Kasperle | yeh |
| 10:34:24 | thegeek | the back of the ipod scratches so easily it's ridiculous |
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| 10:38:37 | LinusN | i'm looking at the 2048-byte sector patch |
| 10:38:55 | LinusN | is it http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 ? |
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| 10:39:20 | LinusN | i wonder why the sector size is coded in the config files |
| 10:39:46 | LinusN | why not let the FAT driver adapt to the sector size in the BPB? |
| 10:40:29 | LinusN | i mean it even reads and checks the sector size field in the BPB |
| 10:40:42 | LinusN | i'm confused |
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| 10:44:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define |
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| 10:45:01 | amiconn | We don't need that code on other targets than the video |
| 10:45:03 | LinusN | amiconn: ah - there's a reason to not have runtime detection |
| 10:45:13 | amiconn | LinusN: why? |
| 10:45:25 | LinusN | code size |
| 10:45:32 | amiconn | [10:44:29] <amiconn> Slasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define |
| 10:45:38 | LinusN | like you just pointed out |
| 10:45:56 | amiconn | It just another one, like we don't build fat16 support for other devices than ondio |
| 10:45:59 | Kasperle | BPB? |
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| 10:47:33 | amiconn | ...and having a simple #define allows to change this easily, e.g. when it turns out that smaller sansas might come as fat16 factory formatted |
| 10:48:15 | LinusN | yep |
| 10:48:32 | LinusN | my objection was rather that the sector sizes were hardcoded in the patch |
| 10:49:08 | LinusN | i still don't understand why they would want 2048-byte sectors |
| 10:49:22 | LinusN | smaller FAT? |
| 10:50:12 | amiconn | I have no idea |
| 10:50:18 | linuxstb_ | Maybe faster transfers over USB? But I would have thought that USB drivers would avoid small transfers anyway and perform some caching. |
| 10:50:50 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Afaik the largest possible usb packets are smaller than a disk sector |
| 10:51:09 | thegeek | in my experience my 80gb 5.5g is a lot slower than my h120 |
| 10:51:10 | amiconn | That's definitely the case for usb1.1, not sure about 2.0 here |
| 10:51:16 | thegeek | a _lot_ slower |
| 10:51:47 | Kasperle | i wonder why they make the iPod say "I'm 2048 sectors in hardware" over USB, but really use a 512 byte/sector drive |
| 10:53:04 | LinusN | Kasperle: really odd |
| 10:53:33 | LinusN | i wonder if the reason is technical or political |
| 10:53:35 | Kasperle | because that must've caused _their_ developers some headaches, too |
| 10:54:34 | Bagder | "and the winner of our internal Apple competition: most confusing new thing with the 5.5 series, is the file system team who came up with this great idea and they get a free ipod to share as a bonus" |
| 10:54:54 | Bagder | genuine quote, I promise |
| 10:54:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:55:01 | Kasperle | :P |
| 10:55:08 | LinusN | "obfuscator of the month" |
| 10:55:30 | amiconn | I wonder even more what's up with the 80GB model... |
| 10:55:47 | LinusN | huh, is it even more different? |
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| 11:00:01 | thegeek | the ipodlinux wiki says something is different with the controller |
| 11:00:18 | linuxstb_ | Given that the ATA controller is inside the PP5021, I'm not sure why they think that. |
| 11:01:08 | thegeek | indeed |
| 11:01:12 | thegeek | http://ipodlinux.org/5.5g |
| 11:01:23 | thegeek | "The Loader doesn't work on the 80GB. It seems to have a modified disk controller." |
| 11:01:33 | thegeek | "it seems..";P |
| 11:01:44 | thegeek | perhaps they don't really know either |
| 11:01:47 | linuxstb_ | My guess would be that it needs a different initialisation sequence - so someone needs to dig into an 80GB's bootloader. |
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| 11:03:33 | LinusN | perhaps the 80gb drive has 2048 byte sectors in hardware? |
| 11:04:02 | linuxstb_ | Would that cause ata_init() to fail? |
| 11:04:16 | LinusN | not sure |
| 11:05:30 | bluebrother | Kasperle, BPB is the Bios Parameter Block. It's part of the FAT filesystem. |
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| 11:12:17 | LinusN | Slasheri: are you unable to run the OF on the ipod? |
| 11:13:22 | amiconn | linuxstb_: The flash code on the ipods isn't encrypted, correct? |
| 11:14:21 | amiconn | Someone should try to dump the 80/G5.5 rom somehow, and then compare it to the G5 rom |
| 11:17:20 | LinusN | Slasheri: you pimped your ipod all by yourself - and saved ¤25 :-) |
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| 11:18:23 | LinusN | i think mr daurn|laptop really needs to check his connection |
| 11:18:48 | LinusN | quite annoying with all these disconnects/reconnects |
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| 11:26:29 | LinusN | is it only the 80gb that reports 2048-byte sectors on the USB level? |
| 11:26:37 | amiconn | No |
| 11:26:38 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The copy on disk (in the firmware partition) is encrypted, but the copy in flash is not. |
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| 11:27:02 | amiconn | linuxstb_: That's why I said flash, not disk |
| 11:27:18 | amiconn | Of course it will be tricky to dump the flash if ata isn't working |
| 11:27:33 | Slasheri | LinusN: hehe, haven't tried loading the OF yet :) |
| 11:27:44 | linuxstb_ | Audio playback is probably working.... |
| 11:27:59 | * | amiconn wonders what would happen if someone connects a 30GB disk from a 30/G5.5 to an 80/G5.5 |
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| 11:28:44 | Slasheri | at least ipod does the click of death when connecting usb using rockbox.. i will fix that first |
| 11:29:08 | linuxstb_ | Implementing a clean shutdown on USB would be nice... |
| 11:29:10 | amiconn | Maybe the rom is the same and just does things different depending on what disk is connected? |
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| 11:30:21 | Slasheri | or like someone mentioned, the 80GB disk just supports different ata level |
| 11:31:19 | LinusN | could be lba48 |
| 11:32:12 | amiconn | ata is backwards compatible afaik |
| 11:32:24 | amiconn | lba48 must be explicitly enabled |
| 11:32:34 | Slasheri | i saw somewhere a mention that any level below ata-3 was not supported |
| 11:32:40 | Slasheri | but not sure about that |
| 11:33:33 | Slasheri | might be very possible with custom hardware designs |
| 11:35:01 | linuxstb_ | Haven't people connected the 80GB Toshiba drive to H140s successfully with Rockbox? Or have Apple got a custom drive? |
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| 11:39:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | I believe someone mention the Apple one wasn't labelled MK8007GAH, but I'm not certain my memory is trustworthy at the moment. |
| 11:40:17 | scorche | welcome back to IRC =) |
| 11:41:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | I am officially declaring my resignation from trying to finish the story on time. |
| 11:41:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | I could rush it, and finish it, and it would suck, or I can take my time and have it done sometime around January, and at least it'll be something I'm proud of. |
| 11:41:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | So I'm back. |
| 11:41:39 | scorche | gotcha |
| 11:41:47 | scorche | i still havent seen any bit of it =P |
| 11:42:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | I know. :-P |
| 11:42:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'll make it available at some point though. |
| 11:42:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, is the Pimp My Ipod thing any progressed from the most recent post, or is it just waiting now? |
| 11:42:28 | scorche | alright...i will be waiting =) |
| 11:42:39 | scorche | i just posted that |
| 11:42:41 | scorche | so, no |
| 11:42:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 11:44:30 | LinusN | c++ - hah |
| 11:45:07 | scorche | to the untrained eye maybe ;) |
| 11:45:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | I wonder how he responds to people with freezing issues on 4G, or any of our other thrilling 'issues'. |
| 11:46:04 | scorche | most likely ignores them |
| 11:46:05 | bluebrother | maybe he has a build with frequency switching disabled |
| 11:46:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Heh |
| 11:46:24 | bluebrother | but then his "customers" may get annoyed by the short runtime |
| 11:47:20 | scorche | then again, he only offers it for video, nano, and mini |
| 11:47:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah. |
| 11:47:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | But, both Gs on Mini? |
| 11:47:41 | scorche | but mini 1g should be the same as 4g |
| 11:47:56 | scorche | from the looks of it, yeah |
| 11:48:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Heh |
| 11:48:12 | scorche | i was wondering also how he can give it to them without documentation |
| 11:48:28 | scorche | although, he might just edit the pdf |
| 11:48:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Very possible. |
| 11:48:40 | Bagder | or html |
| 11:48:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or talks them through it, or something. |
| 11:49:55 | bluebrother | or just tell "his" firmware is too good so no need for any documentation ;-) |
| 11:50:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Clearly it's so intuitive anyone should be able to use it. :) |
| 11:50:25 | scorche | hehe |
| 11:50:28 | bluebrother | but I would be interested to see what kind of docs he provides and if (and how) he changed the manual |
| 11:51:04 | scorche | well, we will have to see how he responds to my mail |
| 11:51:30 | bluebrother | what did you wrote? |
| 11:52:03 | bluebrother | or, is this thing available in full somewhere? |
| 11:53:22 | scorche | i just wrote a mail telling him what he did wrong, what infringements, we are aware, etc |
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| 11:54:11 | scorche | if you want the mail, i can always pastebin it =P |
| 11:54:26 | bluebrother | maybe later, thanks |
| 11:54:45 | bluebrother | I just was wondering if you / someone already started documenting it |
| 11:54:53 | xipietotec | ....cnet reviewers suck...they downgrade any PVP/MP3 player that doesn't support Microsoft's DRM'd crap. |
| 11:55:20 | scorche | i have...being that i am contacting him, there is no excuse if i wasnt |
| 11:55:27 | LinusN | scorche: i'd like to see your response |
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| 12:00:08 | xipietotec | Are the dev's working on hacking the wifi enabled PMP's? |
| 12:01:02 | thegeek | imo wifi is pretty stupid on a portable media device |
| 12:01:11 | thegeek | it just uses too much (precious) battery |
| 12:01:13 | scorche | LinusN: watch for a flood in a private dialog...pastebin.ca is acting up |
| 12:01:21 | Kasperle | rafb.net |
| 12:01:36 | scorche | i would, but those expire in 24 hours |
| 12:01:52 | scorche | for this type of thing, it is better if i limit it to about 10 min ;) |
| 12:01:59 | Kasperle | ah :D |
| 12:02:24 | scorche | which afaik, pastebin.ca is the only pastebin that will expire them that soon |
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| 12:04:34 | bluebrother | too bad, in this case I would have read that too |
| 12:04:44 | scorche | i can flood you too of course =) |
| 12:04:53 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 12:04:56 | linuxstb__ | xipietotec: Which version of MS's DRM... ? |
| 12:05:03 | bluebrother | nice, wikipedia has a nice list of pastebins |
| 12:05:16 | * | linuxstb__ wonders if the Pimping guys remove .rockbox/docs/COPYING.txt |
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| 12:05:43 | bluebrother | btw, how about having our own pastebin on the rockbox site? |
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| 12:06:57 | linuxstb | You mean hosting a pastebin script? |
| 12:07:08 | bluebrother | yes |
| 12:07:09 | scorche | actually, i was planning on hosting my own when i get my site up...which should be soon-ish |
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| 12:07:45 | bluebrother | scorche, found one here: http://www.donotpaste.com/ |
| 12:08:07 | scorche | alright |
| 12:08:25 | bluebrother | wikipedia can be a great tool |
| 12:09:11 | scorche | http://www.donotpaste.com/438 |
| 12:09:19 | scorche | you have 5 minutes |
| 12:09:32 | scorche | and unfortunately, it didnt have word wrap |
| 12:09:36 | * | bluebrother runs |
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| 12:10:52 | scorche | i havent written many of those, but i made sure that someone (bagder) cleared it before i sent it |
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| 12:13:52 | xipietotec | linuxstb: Any, essentially if the Media player/mp3 player doesn't support DRM'd (or only supports one form of DRM'd) crap, Cnet reviewers downgrade it. |
| 12:13:56 | * | bluebrother awaits impatiently what's happening next in this issue |
| 12:14:07 | scorche | hehe |
| 12:14:15 | bluebrother | nice mail anyway |
| 12:14:25 | * | scorche sits beside bluebrother as well |
| 12:14:35 | scorche | it gets the job done |
| 12:14:38 | scorche | ...hopefully |
| 12:15:23 | xipietotec | except the miserable Zune only has it's DRM9 incompatibility mentioned once....the device got an 8.0 rating. |
| 12:15:31 | xipietotec | o_0 |
| 12:15:46 | xipietotec | their editor's snort crack. |
| 12:16:14 | Kasperle | does that even work? ;) |
| 12:16:41 | Kasperle | i could imagine the stones to hurt going through the nose |
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| 12:20:19 | xipietotec | I'm also pissed that companies are still somehow able to charge an arm and a leg for hobbled glorified HD's with a screen....they cost allmost as much as a cheap laptop, and more than the nintendo Wii |
| 12:20:49 | xipietotec | I'm hoping someone works on a "How to" to building your own video and wifi enabled PMP. |
| 12:21:12 | Bagder | you'll find it'll be more expensive to build your own |
| 12:21:46 | ScoTTie | Consoles are either sold at a loss or very low profit |
| 12:21:57 | ScoTTie | they make money back on games and licences |
| 12:22:38 | ScoTTie | iPod's probably have a decent enough profit margin |
| 12:22:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | The Wii is solid at a profit, though not much. |
| 12:23:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | The Wii is also significantly bigger than an iPod, or even an Archos JBR. |
| 12:23:10 | Bagder | still, manufactorers get their parts a lot cheaper than a mere mortal can |
| 12:23:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 12:23:24 | Bagder | LCDs being a prime example |
| 12:23:30 | xipietotec | Bagder: Maybe, but the advantage might be infinite upgrade path. FLOSSpod. |
| 12:23:33 | Bagder | they're dead expensive when you try to buy a single one |
| 12:23:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:23:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox doesn't need LCDs though. :-P |
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| 12:24:20 | scorche | not to mention when you get to be the only one doing the port effort and will be the only one that would appreciate it (one possibility) |
| 12:24:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 12:25:07 | scorche | and it would probably be a trunk, so devs wouldnt have to worry with your device as well |
| 12:26:05 | scorche | but you never know |
| 12:26:10 | * | scorche is off to bed |
| 12:27:37 | xipietotec | Eh...what I'm getting at is that they're in general overpriced...it'll be maybe 1 or 2 years and you'll have wifi enabled full PDA's with equivilent HD space, perhaps upgradeable even, priced for less than 2x as much. |
| 12:28:04 | Bagder | that's due to development, not overpricing |
| 12:28:16 | scorche | imo, the biggest hurdle is battery life |
| 12:28:28 | Bagder | in an extremly competitive market, how can anyone overcharge? |
| 12:28:39 | xipietotec | and since it's a mini computer, the wifi portion won't be crippled like it is in the Zune/Gremlin. |
| 12:29:00 | xipietotec | Bagder: Actually it isn't too competitive, apple has 85% market share. |
| 12:29:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Less than twice as much is still a wide range. |
| 12:29:25 | Bagder | then explain why not all the korean players are half the ipod price? |
| 12:29:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Less than twice the cost of a $400 device can still be an additional $200 I'd have to pay for features I have no interest in. |
| 12:29:46 | Bagder | if it would be that easy, they would lower the price to gain market share |
| 12:30:02 | Bagder | I say its just BS |
| 12:30:15 | xipietotec | Paul_the_Nerd: what I'm getting at is that prices for more powerful devices will quickly fall. |
| 12:30:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then wait for them to fall if you're confident they will. |
| 12:30:37 | Bagder | of couse they will fall |
| 12:30:50 | Bagder | prices for tech stuff fall all the time |
| 12:30:57 | Bagder | at least during the last 20 years |
| 12:31:43 | xipietotec | I'm just doubting the long term price viability of portable media players (dedicated media players) vs. hand held computers. |
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| 12:32:03 | Bagder | PDAs are almost extinct already |
| 12:32:18 | Bagder | they'll all merge in mobile phones one day I'd say |
| 12:32:25 | SoapIsOutOfTown | xipietotec: I prefer single-use devices. |
| 12:32:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | And I won't enjoy that day. |
| 12:32:49 | Bagder | me neither really |
| 12:32:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd like my phone to mostly stay a phone/pda, I'd rather have my media-use time untied to my electronic-communication use. |
| 12:33:06 | SoapIsOutOfTown | I carry a phone, a PDA, and a iPod. Until there is a revoloution in batteries (fuel cells?) I don't have enough battery on any one of the devices to merge them. |
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| 12:33:50 | xipietotec | SoapIsOutOfTown: Single use devices generally evolve into professional/enthusiast devices instead, the trend being to evolve into more multi-function devices. |
| 12:33:57 | SoapIsOutOfTown | not to mention the failure of multi-purpose user interfaces to do such different tasks well/ |
| 12:34:38 | SoapIsOutOfTown | the qualities which make a good PDA make a poor DAP, and vise versa. |
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| 12:36:45 | SoapIsOutOfTown | a phone/PDA I /could/ envision, with bluetooth headsets now you can both talk and write/reference at the same time, but considering I kill the biggest battery they make for a cellphone easily in a day, there is no way I could personally combine devices. |
| 12:37:44 | linuxstb | Whilst we're slightly off-topic, anyone know of any car head units with hard disks built-in. Similar to the Neo Car Jukebox (which doesn't seem to be available any more). |
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| 12:40:00 | ragman93 | can anyone help me with this stupid thing? |
| 12:40:03 | webguest20 | Bagder: the problem is that by the time the device is cheap enough it disappears from the market |
| 12:40:11 | Bagder | of course |
| 12:40:25 | Bagder | because companies can't/won't sell stuff that is too cheap |
| 12:40:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | ragman93: Well, considering we don't know what stupid thing you're having a problem with, or what problem you're having, we can't accurately answer that question. |
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| 12:41:03 | webguest20 | Yes. But even on secondary market. Try to find H1xx. |
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| 12:41:16 | ragman93 | i got a black 4GB ipod nano with blackbox and i cant find out how to put videos on it? |
| 12:41:32 | Bagder | blackbox? |
| 12:41:34 | ragman93 | *rockbox |
| 12:41:35 | ragman93 | lol |
| 12:42:04 | Bagder | see MpegPlayer wiki page |
| 12:42:13 | ragman93 | kk thanks |
| 12:42:33 | linuxstb | But you'll probably be disappointed with it - it's not a finished application. |
| 12:43:10 | Bagder | or you may like the challenge to improve it! |
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| 12:59:59 | ragman93 | hey could someone send me a link to download the app? |
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| 13:00:24 | petur | www.rockbox.org? |
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| 13:01:03 | ragman93 | a direct link? |
| 13:01:08 | Bagder | to what? |
| 13:01:15 | petur | why? what model? |
| 13:01:28 | petur | 'the app' ? |
| 13:02:21 | ragman93 | 4gb nano |
| 13:02:35 | ragman93 | to mpeg play |
| 13:02:42 | Bagder | it comes bundled |
| 13:03:14 | ragman93 | what? |
| 13:03:19 | ragman93 | but i need to download it? |
| 13:03:25 | markun | no |
| 13:03:31 | markun | it comes with rockbox |
| 13:03:36 | Bagder | I really suggest you RTFM |
| 13:03:58 | ragman93 | in plugins |
| 13:04:01 | ragman93 | its not there |
| 13:04:06 | ragman93 | :O |
| 13:04:21 | markun | Bagder: would it make sense to enable the MMU's write buffer for the ATA registers? |
| 13:04:24 | petur | because it's a viewer? |
| 13:04:53 | markun | ragman93: look up the wiki page that Bagder suggested |
| 13:04:59 | petur | ragman93: you just need to play the file like you would do with an audio file |
| 13:05:54 | Bagder | markun: I don't remember such details about the MMU really |
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| 13:26:03 | DD_busy | hows the "pimp my pod" thing coming along? |
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| 13:57:00 | markun | amiconn: didn't you have a plugin to benchmark ATA? |
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| 14:03:15 | Bagder | people claiming to be from Andorra in the wiki account are suspicious |
| 14:03:29 | petur | why? |
| 14:03:37 | Bagder | they're very rare |
| 14:03:49 | Bagder | and is the first country in the list iirc |
| 14:03:56 | petur | maybe, but it's a nice place ;) |
| 14:04:01 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:04:05 | Bagder | never been there myself |
| 14:04:15 | * | petur once |
| 14:04:31 | Bagder | Also, "Ork Lo" sounds like a weird name |
| 14:04:43 | petur | *that* is true :) |
| 14:04:50 | Bagder | aaaan yes |
| 14:04:52 | Bagder | spam |
| 14:04:54 | Bagder | aand even |
| 14:05:09 | petur | book.htm |
| 14:05:12 | Bagder | yeah |
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| 14:05:54 | LinusN | i'd better run my wiki cleanup script again |
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| 14:06:25 | LinusN | so many new users, so few write permission requests |
| 14:06:25 | Bagder | I sent mr OrkLo back to Andorra |
| 14:06:34 | petur | lucky bastard |
| 14:08:41 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone know of a nice ftp client for Windows? |
| 14:08:59 | petur | leechftp if you can still find it |
| 14:09:17 | obo | filezilla if not |
| 14:09:25 | Genre9mp3 | thanks, I'll look for these |
| 14:09:41 | Bagder | curl! ;-P |
| 14:10:16 | Kasperle | lftp ncftp |
| 14:10:48 | petur | Genre9mp3: petur/leechftp13.zip">http://users.telenet.be/petur/leechftp13.zip |
| 14:11:12 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Thanks nut I've already found it :) |
| 14:11:14 | * | Bagder senses the coffee refill wibe |
| 14:11:17 | Genre9mp3 | nut/but |
| 14:11:38 | petur | ok, it's gone again ;) |
| 14:14:52 | lex | i could rockbox my ipod now |
| 14:15:00 | amiconn | Windows already has a full featured gui ftp client built in |
| 14:15:03 | lex | but then i can't watch any simpsons |
| 14:15:14 | amiconn | ...and a commandline ftp as well |
| 14:15:44 | LinusN | amiconn: it has a fullt-featured gui ftp client? |
| 14:16:20 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 14:16:53 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I know, but for some reason I cannot connect to my ftp server so I wanted to try an alternative (unfortunately with no success) |
| 14:17:17 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes. Internet explorer is a full ftp client |
| 14:17:33 | Genre9mp3 | Yes... I used IE until now |
| 14:17:35 | LinusN | how do you upload? |
| 14:17:42 | Genre9mp3 | drag and drop |
| 14:17:47 | LinusN | (never tried to use it) |
| 14:17:52 | amiconn | Drag and drop or copy & paste |
| 14:17:52 | LinusN | oh |
| 14:18:08 | LinusN | never occurred to me - i learned something today |
| 14:18:32 | amiconn | Same way as you copy/move file in windows explorer |
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| 14:24:20 | markun | amiconn: overlooked my question? |
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| 14:30:28 | amiconn | oh |
| 14:30:49 | amiconn | markun: Yes, I have a rather simple test plugin. |
| 14:31:16 | markun | amiconn: could you send it to me? |
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| 14:32:04 | amiconn | It just opens a file (name & path is hardcoded), and reads it aligned and unaligned, measuring the read time |
| 14:32:18 | Pelloj | How does rockbox affect the sound of my music? It might be my imagination but it seems rather less bassy. |
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| 14:32:55 | amiconn | I was even too lazy to rename everything properly... |
| 14:33:01 | markun | amiconn: thanks |
| 14:33:05 | amiconn | This is what I used at devocon |
| 14:33:09 | amiconn | *devcon |
| 14:34:16 | Bagder | Pelloj: on what target? |
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| 14:35:08 | Pelloj | I'm sorry −− target? |
| 14:35:13 | Pelloj | oh, iPod 4G. |
| 14:35:54 | Bagder | then I'd assume they should sound pretty similar |
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| 14:47:37 | preglow | what, slasheri's gotten an ipod? :> |
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| 14:48:54 | * | Bagder hears mumbling about someone else getting a 5.5 too... |
| 14:49:29 | Bagder | I think its the chance to get it pimped that speeds this up ;-) |
| 14:49:42 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:49:52 | preglow | it's got special pimping facilities? |
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| 14:50:02 | * | petur just wants a 80GB disk to fit in his h340 |
| 14:50:20 | preglow | the idiot in me also wants one |
| 14:50:26 | preglow | 80 gigs and a nice screen |
| 14:50:47 | preglow | unfortunately, the idiot in me is all too prevalent |
| 14:50:52 | petur | gigabeat F40 + 80GB disk? |
| 14:51:08 | preglow | hmm, no portalplayer... |
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| 14:56:32 | markun | preglow: you have to be quick, the prices will sky-rocket when the port is done.. :) |
| 14:57:00 | * | preglow scrambles |
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| 14:59:27 | Pelloj | are there any DAPs with a >80gb hdd? |
| 14:59:47 | LinusN | only pimped archos players |
| 14:59:54 | Bagder | Pelloj: sure, if you get one with 2.5" hdd |
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| 15:02:50 | markun | no word yet on the 1.8" 120GB drive by Seagate |
| 15:03:01 | petur | eh? |
| 15:03:07 | * | petur reads that again |
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| 15:06:30 | markun | petur: http://www.seagate.com/products/consumer_electronics/st18_series.html |
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| 15:07:35 | * | petur wonders how to name a h340 with 120GB disk :) |
| 15:07:46 | petur | h460? |
| 15:07:56 | petur | h3120? |
| 15:08:18 | LinusN | hhuge |
| 15:08:22 | Genre9mp3 | h420 |
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| 15:10:08 | daurn|laptop | what about 750gb? |
| 15:10:09 | daurn|laptop | ;) |
| 15:10:25 | daurn|laptop | h1040? :P |
| 15:10:28 | petur | in 1.8" form? |
| 15:11:37 | Genre9mp3 | if you have a magic wand to convert it from 3,5' to 1,8'... |
| 15:13:04 | bluebrother | I read some time ago iriver planned (but never finished) the h500 series. Maybe they left out the 400 block for disk sizes of 100GiB upwards ;-) |
| 15:13:38 | Genre9mp3 | planned (but never finished)??? |
| 15:14:34 | Bagder | orklo comes back... |
| 15:14:56 | bluebrother | If it that is true I guess they decided it was too big and went for the two-digits models |
| 15:15:17 | Bagder | (as LisLo) |
| 15:15:18 | petur | why can wiki users without write access edit their wiki page? |
| 15:16:28 | LinusN | petur: they can't |
| 15:16:42 | Bagder | OrkLo could |
| 15:17:06 | LinusN | where? |
| 15:18:18 | Bagder | before I erased him |
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| 15:19:46 | LinusN | Bagder: next time let me analyze the page before you delete it |
| 15:19:53 | Bagder | sure! |
| 15:20:12 | Bagder | this user seems to be persistent so I bet he'll come back |
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| 15:23:43 | petur | there's something strange with the scrollbar on my h340: as I navigate up/down the tree, some dirs have no scrollbar even with a lot of subdirs. And the ones with missing scrollbar vary if I go up or down the tree |
| 15:24:56 | amiconn | meh |
| 15:25:02 | * | amiconn wants an 8GB MMC |
| 15:26:06 | amiconn | How come one manufacturer annouced them in July (Samsung), and another one already lists them on their site (Microdia), but no shop seems to have them available? |
| 15:26:51 | Bagder | because not many things use MMC these days? |
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| 15:28:30 | amiconn | Perhaps I should ask Microdia directly... |
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| 15:46:55 | urchin | hi there |
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| 15:48:20 | urchin | need some help with a mini 2g install of rockbox, if anybody would be so kind |
| 15:48:56 | n1s | urchin: I don't have an ipod but maybe I can help, what's the problem? |
| 15:49:15 | urchin | basically it keeps rebooting even though it is not plugged into anything |
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| 15:49:39 | n1s | without, you touching anything? |
| 15:50:01 | urchin | yup, it seems to go into USB mode and the it reboots |
| 15:50:06 | urchin | +n |
| 15:50:58 | n1s | try holding menu+select for a wjile to see if it powers down |
| 15:51:06 | n1s | while |
| 15:51:48 | urchin | it does reboot when pressing menu+select, however it enters a reboot cycle just after |
| 15:52:30 | n1s | and this started happening when you installed the rockbox bootloader and was working fine before? |
| 15:52:36 | urchin | so I end up having to load the orginal firmware using "menu" |
| 15:53:01 | urchin | yes, and the apple firmware still works fine |
| 15:53:18 | n1s | does, the rockbox bootloader print any messages? |
| 15:53:27 | n1s | also did you install rockbox? |
| 15:54:09 | urchin | the bootloader prints various messages (ipod model, serial no...) and then passes the control to rockbox, so it seems. Then rockbox displays a picture of an USB cable and reboots |
| 15:54:53 | urchin | it displays "partition, model, checksum" |
| 15:55:12 | urchin | by installing you mean unzipping a build to the root folder of the ipod? |
| 15:55:21 | n1s | yes |
| 15:55:39 | urchin | yes, i did copy a file and a folder (.rockbox) |
| 15:55:45 | n1s | seems to be some sort of hardware irregularity then |
| 15:56:11 | urchin | could be |
| 15:56:20 | amiconn | urchin: Do you have a charger connected? |
| 15:56:28 | urchin | no, nothing is plugged in |
| 15:56:56 | urchin | but my ipod always behaved a little strangely (altough it works), so it could be a HW problem |
| 15:57:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: Strange solution... and an unnecessary function in ata.c for other targets than ipod :/ |
| 15:59:16 | amiconn | (and btw, you should call_ata_idle_notifys(true) in order to make sure things are saved for real |
| 15:59:44 | amiconn | In fact the function in ata.c is completely unnecessary |
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| 16:00:56 | amiconn | ...and even slightly dangerous |
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| 16:42:50 | dioz | will the mp3s i have currently on my ipod... will their modified id3 tags and file names cause fux with rockbox ? um |
| 16:43:01 | dioz | and by fux i mean drama |
| 16:43:02 | dioz | issues |
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| 16:52:03 | petur | dioz: filenames don't matter if you enable the database function of rockbox. Modified tags, I don't know. Rockbox (in database mode) uses those tags |
| 16:52:49 | dioz | and with added graphics and added color to the gui does it eat on battery life more-so ? |
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| 16:52:57 | dioz | i would assume obviously |
| 16:53:09 | dioz | but i was wondering if there's a major difference |
| 16:53:47 | n1s | the difference is pretty small i would say |
| 16:55:07 | petur | gfx/color don't matter so much, but rockbox on ipod still uses more battery than the original firmware. No fix for that in sight I'm affraid |
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| 16:56:22 | dioz | is there a backlight dimmer for the lcd |
| 16:57:12 | petur | no idea, don't have ipod... |
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| 17:00:47 | dioz | weird weird |
| 17:00:47 | dioz | i bet it uses quite a bit more battery |
| 17:00:47 | dioz | without having an index file |
| 17:00:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dioz |
| 17:00:47 | dioz | i bet it's also a bunch harder on the mechanics considering it isn't solid state and always having to spin up/down the hdd for file seeking (specially on random) |
| 17:00:47 | dioz | i wanna test it |
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| 17:01:42 | petur | rockbox has directory and tag caching to reduce disk spinning |
| 17:01:57 | dioz | god dammit |
| 17:02:01 | dioz | it there a features list somewhere ? |
| 17:02:08 | petur | www.rockbox.org |
| 17:02:14 | petur | wiki |
| 17:02:19 | dioz | yeah |
| 17:02:22 | dioz | just the faqs |
| 17:02:31 | Bagder | and the manual of course |
| 17:02:59 | dioz | ^5 |
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| 17:03:36 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:03:36 | * | petur notices http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox could use some more features |
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| 17:17:07 | * | petur wonders if fm-radio automatic boost/unboost was ever implemented/committed |
| 17:20:15 | amiconn | ? |
| 17:20:57 | petur | run fm radio in idle freq and boost/unboost on keypresses (when scanning) |
| 17:23:46 | dioz | oh |
| 17:24:05 | dioz | no line-in support |
| 17:24:27 | dioz | i have an adaptor for my ipod photo so i can have a microphone to record lectures and shit |
| 17:24:37 | petur | so many nice supported players and you had to pick out an ipod :p |
| 17:25:08 | petur | my iriver h340 has line-in plug and build-in mic |
| 17:25:28 | petur | no extra $$$ for all those stupid adapters :) |
| 17:26:18 | jhMikeS | What's the big hurdle on adding recording to iPod, if any? |
| 17:26:35 | petur | linuxstb had a patch but you broke it :) |
| 17:26:56 | jhMikeS | Could unbreak it I suppose |
| 17:29:05 | jhMikeS | It didn't appear to need _too_ much. The encoders should be compatible with little endian. Suppose I could update it. |
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| 17:29:58 | dioz | petur, cause i like walkin into a joint flossin my 12inch ibook and my 60gb ipod |
| 17:30:02 | dioz | it makes me feel special |
| 17:30:24 | petur | lol |
| 17:30:33 | rasher | You're what's wrong with this world. |
| 17:30:33 | jhMikeS | I just can't really evaluate any samplerate switching w/o a device. That's the big thing. |
| 17:32:00 | dioz | i need a smoke |
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| 17:32:20 | petur | aha, you've got more than one problem :p |
| 17:35:03 | dioz | and i was kidding about the ibook |
| 17:35:11 | dioz | the ipod was an impusle purchase |
| 17:35:20 | dioz | impulse |
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| 17:45:29 | webguest60 | why cant i see sansa boot in daily and CVS ? can damage our player ? |
| 17:46:14 | petur | not ready for the public |
| 17:46:31 | webguest60 | thank you |
| 17:49:01 | petur | last.fm support is still not 100% :( sometimes it rejects tracks... must keep the log next time |
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| 17:52:08 | petur | heh.. scrollbar availability toggles on/off with each step down into the tree. very weird |
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| 17:58:25 | n1s | petur: Works fine here on a build from 1122 |
| 17:58:54 | petur | must check at home... |
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| 18:02:48 | n1s | petur: it seems a new build messed with my settings, at least some were changed when I updated but some were left, maybe someone forgot to update the settings version? |
| 18:04:27 | petur | nope - just reset them and it's the same (after loading cfg that is) |
| 18:05:44 | petur | hmm. with std settings the dirs that didn't have a scrollbar don't need one with the tiny font... |
| 18:05:50 | petur | interesting |
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| 18:07:01 | petur | argh - my fault... |
| 18:08:01 | * | petur thought that dir had more subdirs but they all just fit in the screen |
| 18:08:25 | n1s | yay hard crash |
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| 18:10:06 | n1s | yay again! |
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| 18:12:00 | n1s | yay reproducible ;-) |
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| 18:15:01 | n1s | anyone with an h300 want to reproduce a crash? |
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| 18:16:30 | * | petur needs it on the bike in 10 seconds |
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| 18:19:36 | dioz | with the install manual for the ipod photo |
| 18:19:52 | dioz | to open a run dialog box it says Start>Execute |
| 18:20:08 | dioz | under windows |
| 18:20:32 | dioz | i WISH it said execute |
| 18:20:50 | dioz | i'd type names in there all the time and click okay... sit at home and pray it came to past |
| 18:20:57 | rasher | Run |
| 18:20:59 | rasher | I'll fix |
| 18:22:19 | rasher | Done. |
| 18:22:28 | lowlight | n1s: don't have an h300, but what's the crash? |
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| 18:23:10 | n1s | set show path to current and select the ter-32n (that's the one i tried) font and back out of the screen with left bam. |
| 18:26:13 | n1s | added task to tracker gotta run |
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| 18:31:13 | lowlight | n1s: by chance do you have an LCD remote? |
| 18:31:42 | n1s | lowlight: nope |
| 18:32:26 | n1s | lowlight: did it crash for you? |
| 18:32:42 | lowlight | it's reproducible in the sim |
| 18:33:20 | lowlight | I know there's a problem when you try to draw a list with a title and the screen can only display 1 line |
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| 18:38:37 | lowlight | Are the gui functions executed from the remote screen even if a remote is not plugged in? |
| 18:39:29 | Lear | I think so. Check the FOR_NB_SCREEN macros (or whatever it is called). |
| 18:42:09 | dioz | where do i go to browse through directories and shit ? |
| 18:42:15 | lowlight | yeah, it just loops the possible number of screens regardless of whether the remote is plugged in. |
| 18:42:19 | dioz | i see all my un-hidden |
| 18:43:22 | lowlight | General settings > File view > show files |
| 18:46:15 | kubiix | I am looking for somebody to help me with syncing some patches, thanx |
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| 18:49:36 | lowlight | Shouldn't the remote "screen" only be initialized when i't plugged in? |
| 18:49:46 | lowlight | *it's |
| 18:51:43 | lowlight | kubiix: patch syncing is usually left to the patch creator |
| 18:52:17 | dioz | oh weird |
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| 18:52:27 | dioz | if you cache folders/files it takes a while to update |
| 18:52:35 | kubiix | lowlight: i know, but he doesn't have time for it now |
| 18:52:35 | dioz | i was getting angry wondering why i couldn't se ehidden files |
| 18:52:40 | dioz | guess i need to chill out |
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| 18:55:50 | lowlight | kubiix: then you probably need to do it manually |
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| 18:55:59 | PaulPosition | kubiix - what patches? |
| 18:58:30 | dioz | with rockbox now running |
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| 18:58:42 | dioz | can i boot into normal apple firmware ? |
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| 19:00:22 | kubiix | PaulPosition: pijulius patches for proper displaying of jClix theme |
| 19:00:39 | PaulPosition | dioz - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
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| 19:01:51 | PaulPosition | kubiix - for what target? |
| 19:02:10 | kubiix | iPod color / video |
| 19:02:45 | lowlight | iirc that had A LOT of patches |
| 19:03:37 | dioz | wow simple |
| 19:03:56 | PaulPosition | kubiix - Maxwen has a complete page with re-worked patches syncing (I think) with the 20th of nov... He's building for the X5, but the "pijulius" patches he uses allowed me to build for the H10 so you may want to have a look... : |
| 19:04:09 | PaulPosition | http://rockbox.webhop.org/ |
| 19:04:24 | PaulPosition | (Of course you don't want the X5-specific patches) |
| 19:04:32 | kubiix | PaulPosition: thanx, i will check it |
| 19:05:15 | PaulPosition | your welcome |
| 19:06:16 | kubiix | PaulPosition: btw where should I start if I want to understand the rockbox sources ? mainly the GUI functions |
| 19:07:36 | PaulPosition | kubiix - "Understanding" is way over my head. :( I guess the "How to make a plugin" wiki page is the best place to start doing something and you could work from that.. |
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| 19:08:19 | kubiix | PaulPosition: I mean where to start in the sources |
| 19:08:35 | PaulPosition | Kubiix - Also... About Maxwen's build, you should note one thing : he uses an older bmp.c file than the current cvs one... If you give me a second, I'll try to find which eactly.. |
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| 19:09:55 | kubiix | PaulPosition: I know the bmp.c was completely reworked |
| 19:11:34 | PaulPosition | Indeed - But not the patches, or not enough anyway. So to build, maxwen used bmp.c version 1.28 (we're now into 1.35 I think)... The patches on his site should apply cleanly, thus, if you replace that one file. |
| 19:12:44 | PaulPosition | If you get it working, I'm sure he'd like a "hey!, it works" :) |
| 19:13:26 | PaulPosition | As for where to begin to understand, I'm not the one to ask.. I can't code anything over 100 lines as I have too short an attention span. :p |
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| 19:13:38 | kapellas | help guyssss |
| 19:13:55 | kubiix | thanks |
| 19:14:13 | Genre9mp3 | kapellas: with what? |
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| 19:16:12 | christhegreek | Help guys |
| 19:16:34 | christhegreek | When i use the ipodpatcher program it giving me this message: Error reading from disk: ? ¿Ü±-¹ßÚ±¾? ß-ºÜþ ß??ܸ¹?ºý. |
| 19:16:35 | netmasta10bt | who should I bug for a Sansa e200 series WPS section on rockbox-themes? |
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| 19:17:05 | christhegreek | help |
| 19:17:29 | lowlight | kubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui |
| 19:17:42 | christhegreek | help MAN |
| 19:17:42 | netmasta10bt | christhegreek: sounds like you should run a chkdsk or something |
| 19:17:50 | PaulPosition | netmasta - Isn't that premature or has the e200 port made great strides in the last few days? |
| 19:17:50 | christhegreek | for my ipod? |
| 19:17:55 | Genre9mp3 | christhegreek: Sorry but I don't have an iPod and I cannot understand that error message |
| 19:18:16 | Genre9mp3 | try typing it than copy-paste |
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| 19:18:36 | christhegreek | neither i understand it |
| 19:18:53 | christhegreek | [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive1 |
| 19:18:53 | christhegreek | Error reading from disk: ? ¿Ü±-¹ßÚ±¾? ß-ºÜþ ß??ܸ¹?ºý. |
| 19:19:34 | christhegreek | at the end it giving me mabojambo |
| 19:20:18 | PaulPosition | How's the disk formatted as? fat32? (I know nothing of the ipods, just throwing ideas..) |
| 19:20:31 | christhegreek | yes |
| 19:20:43 | christhegreek | the explorer says that is fat32 |
| 19:21:09 | netmasta10bt | PaulPosition: it maybe premature, but theres a gigabeat section, and rockbox doesnt run there yet −− and I'll have a couple to add here shortly |
| 19:21:31 | christhegreek | my ipod when i connect it to my pc says a message don't disconnect |
| 19:21:38 | christhegreek | Is that right? |
| 19:22:14 | PaulPosition | netmasta10bt - Cool, didn't see the gigabeat page.. Maybe try to pester Badger then, but I'm unsure (I think he rules the forum, but what about other parts of the site...) |
| 19:22:39 | christhegreek | i have tha ipod video |
| 19:22:46 | netmasta10bt | PaulPosition: ok −− i just sent a email to sysadmin@rockbox-themes.org −− thx |
| 19:22:48 | christhegreek | 80 gbytes |
| 19:22:58 | Genre9mp3 | christhegreek: Ah.. .that's why |
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| 19:23:29 | PaulPosition | netmasta - Oh the rockbox-themes page, not the WPS gallery from the wiki? Sorry I didn't understand you.. :blush: |
| 19:23:32 | Genre9mp3 | christhegreek: you have an iPod 5.5g 80GB, this is not supported on Rockbox |
| 19:23:46 | christhegreek | ah |
| 19:23:54 | PaulPosition | not (yet) supported anyway |
| 19:24:29 | christhegreek | ok |
| 19:24:47 | christhegreek | is there any way to use the old explorer like style at my ipod |
| 19:24:48 | christhegreek | ? |
| 19:25:01 | christhegreek | because the itunes it giving me to the nerves |
| 19:25:03 | XavierGr | except Rockbox, I don't think so |
| 19:25:18 | XavierGr | unfortunately you will have to wait for a port |
| 19:25:35 | christhegreek | thank you very much. |
| 19:25:39 | PaulPosition | Maybe have a look at ipodlinux but I doubt they progressed much more than rockbox dev. on the 5.5gen front... |
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| 19:27:54 | PaulPosition | So, do you guys reckon that porting to e200 and other PP-based daps might bring some more techies into the quest of optimizing that chipset (I wish!)? |
| 19:27:55 | lowlight | Read today's log, Shasheri got 30GB 5.5g ipod today, so maybe there will be more progress now |
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| 19:30:14 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Yes, probably. There's a good chance we'll learn different things from each target which will apply more generally. |
| 19:30:49 | PaulPosition | Cool. :) Wish I knew how to help, or had a thousand dollars to spend bricking players testing stuff for you crazy guys. ;) |
| 19:31:40 | kubiix | PaulPosition: and do you know someone who can introduce me to the sources ? |
| 19:31:51 | dan_a | PaulPosition: I've not bricked a player yet, and that includes writing random data to peripherals to see what will happen |
| 19:32:16 | PaulPosition | <lowlight> kubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui |
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| 19:33:41 | PaulPosition | dan_a - Really? Reading barry's blurb about (no)dualboot on the H10 I was under the impression that'd be dangerous play indeed.. Happy to know it's not. :) |
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| 19:34:46 | dan_a | Testing bootloaders can be dangerous - it depends on the player |
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| 19:35:12 | PaulPosition | Certainly the first few things you had to get rolling on the sansa was a bootloader? |
| 19:35:56 | Life^ | would it be possible to get the Plasma thing from rockbox as a windows screensaver/executable? |
| 19:36:00 | dan_a | Ah, but our 'bootloader' appears like a firmware to the Sansa - we don't touch the Sansa's own bootloader |
| 19:36:44 | PaulPosition | Okay... Works about the same on the h10 I *think*.. |
| 19:38:51 | PaulPosition | dan - Anyway, thanks for the comforting you provided :D |
| 19:45:51 | petur | Life^: the source of that plugin is available, but remember it's GPL licenced. Maybe better to search for an existing screensaver... |
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| 19:58:13 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
| 19:59:02 | lowlight | n1s: I put a patch on the tracker for that bug. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6397 |
| 19:59:16 | n1s | I'll checl it out |
| 19:59:27 | n1s | check it out even :-) |
| 19:59:55 | lowlight | works on the sim, but try it on your h300 |
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| 20:00:19 | lowlight | it's not exclusive to the h300 series |
| 20:00:42 | * | lowlight heads to meeting *yawn* |
| 20:01:14 | Nimdae | blah |
| 20:01:19 | Nimdae | i can't reach rockbox.org |
| 20:01:22 | * | Nimdae pouts |
| 20:02:45 | Nimdae | trace dies on sprintlink |
| 20:03:34 | n1s | lowlight: works nicely :-) |
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| 20:04:52 | Nimdae | kermit can reach rockbox, i'll access it through there :) |
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| 20:18:22 | Gnelik | Íåà |
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| 20:21:29 | Gnelik | dan_a: Hi Dan! |
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| 20:32:09 | dan_a | Hi Gnelik |
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| 20:32:43 | Gnelik | dan_a: no progress?? |
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| 20:33:41 | dan_a | No, I'm trying to get something working on the 3G iPod, but I can't do it :( |
| 20:34:30 | * | petur gets delay-triggered by a couple of pink cows |
| 20:39:31 | Gnelik | dan_a: What is something??? |
| 20:40:39 | dan_a | cache flush and cache invalidate, so that I can play around with using the 2nd core, in the hope of making audio skip less |
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| 20:48:38 | Jaelae | time to take the plunge into rockboxium |
| 20:49:46 | Gnelik | dan_a: Rockbox hangs up on load when USB is inserted |
| 20:50:45 | Jaelae | any recommendations for a program that keeps music libraries up to date? e.g. the new windows media player 11 keeps tracks linked up to albums properly by the right name and attachs album covers to it |
| 20:50:47 | dan_a | Gnelik: I know. I've not worked out why yet. If you want to get rid of that, then revert the USB detection change. |
| 20:50:52 | Jaelae | just not sure if there is something better out there |
| 20:51:56 | dan_a | Gnelik: I think I'll get it to boot into OF when the USB is detected, the same way that the iPods do |
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| 20:52:32 | Davide-NYC | hello |
| 20:54:10 | Gnelik | dan_a: Shood i do it in my Bl to?? |
| 20:55:19 | Gnelik | Shood = should |
| 20:58:17 | dan_a | Gnelik: No, this is in the main Rockbox, not the BL. |
| 20:59:18 | petur | Jaelae: there's some stuff here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools |
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| 21:00:16 | Davide-NYC | where is the best place to look for sansa status? |
| 21:00:25 | dioz | you guys should write an addon that will let me plug a USB SIM read/writer and dump images |
| 21:00:44 | dioz | my hand held only can do 16 images |
| 21:01:05 | Davide-NYC | I think you speak of USBOTG? No? |
| 21:01:17 | n1s | doiz: the source is open, start hacking! |
| 21:01:23 | dioz | hah i know |
| 21:01:47 | dioz | i was kidding anyways |
| 21:01:48 | Davide-NYC | Is there a place to check for updates to the status of the sansa port? |
| 21:01:51 | dan_a | Davide-NYC: I think the Sansa thread is pretty much up-to-date. The firmware is coming along nicely, but is still a long way off |
| 21:02:09 | Davide-NYC | 29 pages. Urghh |
| 21:02:11 | Davide-NYC | OK |
| 21:02:20 | * | Davide-NYC off to read a messy thread |
| 21:02:24 | dan_a | 29 pages, but the updates are at the end! |
| 21:02:34 | * | Davide-NYC will read backwards |
| 21:02:42 | PaulPosition | David - You should go read it the NASA way, 29, 28, 27 ... stop when you have had enough.. ;-) |
| 21:02:53 | PaulPosition | heh.. |
| 21:03:30 | dan_a | Rockbox boots, scroll wheel doesn't work, audio doesn't work, USB doesn't work, plugins work as long as they don't require the scroll wheel |
| 21:03:50 | Gnelik | Backlight dont works |
| 21:04:26 | Davide-NYC | I'm already done |
| 21:04:45 | Davide-NYC | presumed the worse... didn;t happen that way here's the meaty bit: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg58296#msg58296 |
| 21:04:55 | Davide-NYC | thanks dan_a |
| 21:05:05 | Jaelae | ty peteur |
| 21:05:17 | dan_a | You're welcome |
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| 21:06:03 | dan_a | I'm working on getting dual boot right at the moment - it works with some hacks. |
| 21:06:26 | Davide-NYC | I don;t have a sansa, but would be in the market for a non-apple flash player for the gym |
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| 21:06:42 | Davide-NYC | the sansa 8GB looks like it |
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| 21:07:03 | PaulPosition | Sansa seems a nice flashbased dap indeed... |
| 21:07:23 | PaulPosition | A friend just bought two of 'em on swaybay.. |
| 21:07:32 | dan_a | They are nice, and look gorgeous. They're pretty heavy |
| 21:07:48 | Davide-NYC | heavy = goog? |
| 21:07:51 | Davide-NYC | *good |
| 21:08:33 | Davide-NYC | I like heavy, but am underwhelmed by the thickness (a tad too thick) but I'm not buying a nano |
| 21:08:43 | Davide-NYC | well, maybe not |
| 21:08:52 | Davide-NYC | dependig on RB support |
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| 21:09:23 | dan_a | It feels sturdy to me, but it's all down to personal preference |
| 21:09:47 | Davide-NYC | dan_a: write support? |
| 21:10:11 | Davide-NYC | as of 9 days ago not, but a lot can happen in 9 days |
| 21:10:15 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 21:10:26 | dan_a | Writing seems to work - but it's not had a huge amount of testing |
| 21:12:55 | Davide-NYC | I will probably buy one the minute RB gives sound. At that point I'll do a lot of testing. But at that point it'll be less critical. :-( |
| 21:16:34 | Davide-NYC | Question: I see that the sansa has a microphone and allows for voice recording. Does it have a line in buried in the proprietary connector? |
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| 21:18:22 | Davide-NYC | Apparently not according to cnet, but you never know until you ask a nitty-gritty hardware person. |
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| 21:30:11 | Bonusbartus | hi |
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| 21:30:23 | Bonusbartus | someone here who could help me? |
| 21:30:41 | hcs | 124 people who might, best to just ask. |
| 21:31:43 | Bonusbartus | I need to send my Iriver h340 back to iriver because my battery is empty very fast(2 hours) I bought it in march 2006, so it would be a warranty case if I hadn't rockboxed my player |
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| 21:32:25 | Bonusbartus | What do I need to do (using windows xp) to remove all traces of rockbox? |
| 21:32:36 | preglow | delete the rockbox folder, then reflash to original firmware |
| 21:32:46 | preglow | make sure you empty all garbage bins and stuff like that |
| 21:33:00 | webguest99 | petur: ping |
| 21:33:05 | petur | pong |
| 21:33:20 | Bonusbartus | hmm I read on the forum that that would leave the rockbox settings... |
| 21:33:37 | webguest99 | petur: you are watched by KGB. Have you looked at the pitch screen patches? |
| 21:34:05 | petur | webguest99: not yet, real life overflow atm... later perhaps |
| 21:34:18 | petur | just keep nagging ;) |
| 21:34:33 | webguest99 | petur: ok, relax, I have other targets in the UK :-) |
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| 21:34:45 | n1s | Bonusbartus: flash an unmodified firmware and delete rockbox from the harddisk, and yes the settings will still be there but can be whiped with special tools |
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| 21:35:17 | Larsie | Bonusbarus: I read your question in the logs, don't do it! |
| 21:35:28 | Larsie | I lost my H320 by RMA'ing it |
| 21:35:44 | Bonusbartus | already did that, only those settings remain, what tool can I use? |
| 21:35:45 | Larsie | they will send you a refund or a H10 in return :( |
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| 21:36:16 | Bonusbartus | larsie: not a problem, they still sell h340's in europe, I phoned them |
| 21:36:16 | Larsie | you can get replacement batteries very cheap on ebay |
| 21:36:20 | Larsie | huh\ |
| 21:36:24 | Larsie | they do? |
| 21:36:42 | Larsie | but no H320 or something? |
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| 21:37:22 | webguest38 | french parliament will go linux ant openoffice.org ! Go peguin ! |
| 21:37:29 | Bonusbartus | I bought mine march this year, I phoned them if it was the se or the normal h340 and they said it was the se, so I ordered a remote with it... I got the h340 with docking station 2 remotes battery pack and so on... |
| 21:37:40 | Bonusbartus | but no they don't have H320's |
| 21:38:33 | Larsie | arg |
| 21:38:46 | n1s | Bonusbartus: <amiconn> (1) check for config sector: dd if=/your/iaudio_dev of=config.bin skip=61 count=1 |
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| 21:38:55 | n1s | 19.55.46 # <amiconn> Then open this in a hex editor. It should start with "Roc" |
| 21:39:00 | Larsie | it has cost me around 200 euro's in total because of the *not* replacing |
| 21:39:12 | Larsie | :/ |
| 21:39:17 | n1s | <amiconn> If you're sure this is your config sector, then overwrite it: |
| 21:39:19 | n1s | <amiconn> dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1 |
| 21:39:41 | Bonusbartus | but I don't know if it is the battery, when I don't plug my player in the ac and connect it to my pc it shuts down after a few minutes when I'm transferring something... then looks like battery is empty but after5 minutes it just starts saying battery is half full |
| 21:39:58 | Bonusbartus | nls: but that is a linux command isn't it? |
| 21:40:03 | Larsie | I paid 300 euro's for it in the first place, I got a refund of 250. I had to buy another product from that same store from it |
| 21:40:07 | Larsie | sold that one |
| 21:40:11 | amiconn | n1s: Stop triggering me! ;) |
| 21:40:19 | n1s | sorry :-) |
| 21:40:25 | Larsie | and eventually bought a sansa |
| 21:40:27 | Larsie | :/ |
| 21:40:35 | n1s | Bonusbartus: yes, linux |
| 21:40:37 | Larsie | I miss my H320 I still do :( |
| 21:40:41 | amiconn | Bonusbartus: There are windows implementations of 'dd' available |
| 21:40:43 | Bonusbartus | I bought it at Iriver online shop |
| 21:41:00 | Bonusbartus | amicon: any idea where? what it's called? |
| 21:41:15 | Larsie | strange, I believe I RMA'ed mine in April |
| 21:41:50 | Larsie | so not much later, they could've at least offered me the option to pay a bit more ande send back a H340 :( |
| 21:41:57 | Bonusbartus | well, they just don't have h320's anymore... what was wrong with your player? |
| 21:42:05 | amiconn | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 21:42:11 | Larsie | HDD crashed :( |
| 21:42:12 | Bonusbartus | thanx ;) |
| 21:42:16 | amiconn | Just googling for "dd windows" told me... |
| 21:42:20 | Larsie | readerrors all over the place |
| 21:42:40 | amiconn | The device names are somewhat cryptic under windows, but this dd can list them |
| 21:42:59 | Bonusbartus | amicon: shure this leaves no traces of rockbox? and I only need to delete one sector? |
| 21:43:43 | Larsie | I could try to convince Iriver to send me a H340, since the shop paid me a refund not iriver :X |
| 21:44:18 | Bonusbartus | larsie: you could try... |
| 21:44:41 | Larsie | yeah indeed, I don't think I will succeed. But I'll give it a shot :) |
| 21:45:18 | Slasheri | hmm, probably ipod can't be charged without rockbox running or disk mode active |
| 21:45:22 | Bonusbartus | I must say I never got problems with iriver, they repaired the remote of my old h120 3 times :P |
| 21:45:42 | Larsie | :) |
| 21:46:40 | hcs | Slasheri: my ipod photo charges fine in disk mode |
| 21:46:56 | Slasheri | hcs: but without disk spinning? |
| 21:47:14 | Slasheri | i am just planning going sleep and leaving the ipod charging :) |
| 21:47:26 | Larsie | Some people there are really nice indeed, I've read about some bricked H340's a long while ago. The guy told exactly what he had done. The helpdesk told him just to not mention it and send in his H340 :') |
| 21:47:46 | hcs | Slasheri: yeah, if you explicitly boot it in disk mode, you can plug it into the charger |
| 21:48:18 | Slasheri | hmm.. but i have only the usb cable :) |
| 21:48:35 | Slasheri | maybe i will just leave rockbox running and connect the cable while holding menu |
| 21:48:45 | hcs | that will likely not charge |
| 21:48:55 | hcs | if you connect it and then do an eject... |
| 21:48:55 | Slasheri | really? :/ |
| 21:49:12 | Slasheri | but if i hold down menu, disk will not spin up.. |
| 21:49:13 | Bonusbartus | Larsie: they changed some things at Iriver, they mention rockbox as a case wich voids warranty so I think they test if it was installed... |
| 21:49:20 | hcs | yeah, at least with my photo I've never observed any significant charging |
| 21:49:26 | hcs | within rockbox |
| 21:49:40 | Slasheri | ah, weird |
| 21:49:49 | Slasheri | and i can't run the original fw either |
| 21:49:58 | amiconn | hcs, Slasheri: The ipod _does_ charge in rockbox, but only slowly |
| 21:50:04 | Slasheri | maybe i will just try.. |
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| 21:50:16 | hcs | disk mode should be fine for charging |
| 21:50:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: so it does not draw full power from the port? |
| 21:50:41 | Slasheri | hcs: but that wears the drive if it's left constantly spinning.. |
| 21:50:46 | amiconn | If you use it while charging, it might even discharge depending on your usage pattern |
| 21:51:05 | n1s | Slasheri: couldn't you just use an extension usb cord and kill the data lines in it and then connect the ipod cable to the computer through that? |
| 21:51:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, did you seem my comments regarding your shutdown-before-usb? |
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| 21:51:21 | Larsie | Bonusbartus: yeah I knew that, I did miraccily succeed in putting back the original FW |
| 21:51:22 | webguest38 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-11-29-009-26-OS-DB-MD |
| 21:51:30 | hcs | Slasheri: is the disk always spinning in disk mode, even when not connected? |
| 21:51:43 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, i will fix that later. btw, how did you mean it might be dangerous? |
| 21:51:52 | Larsie | quite a nervous moment because the disk was making all kind of clicking noises :P |
| 21:52:00 | Larsie | kinds* |
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| 21:52:14 | Slasheri | n1s: hmm, that might do it :) |
| 21:52:24 | webguest38 | linuxtoday was for dd command witha live cd |
| 21:52:24 | amiconn | Slasheri: Ata power should only be controlled from the ata thread. Your extra function doesn't do that |
| 21:52:26 | Slasheri | hcs: currently i am forced to connect |
| 21:52:34 | Slasheri | i don't have a separate charging cable |
| 21:52:45 | hcs | Slasheri: do an eject, it'll still get power |
| 21:52:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: it can't do that |
| 21:53:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: ata thread is blocked waiting usb disconnect event |
| 21:53:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: and i checked the command used semaphores |
| 21:54:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: How I would do it: (1) Call call_ata_idle_notifys(true) (2) Call ata_sleep() (3) wait until disk has gone to sleep instead of just waiting 2 seconds, which might be either too short or unnecessarily long |
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| 21:54:50 | Slasheri | amiconn: it will never go sleep by calling ata_sleep |
| 21:54:52 | amiconn | Hmm, if ata is blocked, how does flushing the config before usb work then? |
| 21:54:55 | Slasheri | because the thread is blocked |
| 21:55:04 | amiconn | Why? |
| 21:55:15 | amiconn | It should only be blocked _after_ accepting usb |
| 21:55:16 | Slasheri | just a moment, i will double-check |
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| 21:55:45 | amiconn | ...and usb accept results from SYS_USB_CONNECTED, which in turn is sent from the usb thread iirc |
| 21:56:04 | amiconn | So if you do the housekeeping _before_ sending that event, nothing should be blocked |
| 21:56:53 | amiconn | Multithreading is good for headaches, I know... :/ |
| 21:57:00 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, true. but at least it's too late in the function usb_enable in usb-ipod.c |
| 21:57:12 | Slasheri | maybe in other place it _might_ be possible |
| 21:57:39 | amiconn | I guess other targets might have the same problem |
| 21:58:05 | amiconn | Btw, I don't get the emergency park click if the disk is spun down while connecting usb |
| 21:58:16 | Slasheri | at least irivers have not that issue because power is not cut from the disk when entering usb mode |
| 21:58:34 | amiconn | It happens only when plugging usb while the disk is spinning |
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| 21:59:05 | Slasheri | yep, or plugging usb when ipod is powered off |
| 21:59:21 | amiconn | ...and unfortunately that happens when usb is plugged at boot: Rockbox boots, sees that usb is connected and immediately triggers the diskmode reboot |
| 21:59:59 | Slasheri | but now need to go sleeping -> |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:16 | amiconn | Why does the ipod cut hd power when rebooting to diskmode? |
| 22:00:56 | amiconn | Is that an unintentional action in rockbox, or caused by the rom diskmode itself? |
| 22:01:08 | Slasheri | i have no idea, probably caused by the diskmode |
| 22:01:18 | Slasheri | at least rockbox does not do that intentionally |
| 22:01:47 | Bonusbartus | amicon: could you explain what "dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1" exactly does? |
| 22:01:59 | Bonusbartus | what is if and what is of? |
| 22:02:22 | n1s | input and output |
| 22:02:29 | amiconn | if == infile (source), of == outfile (destination) |
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| 22:03:34 | Bonusbartus | and what does it do "/dev/zero" fil sectors on of"iriver" with zeros? |
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| 22:04:02 | n1s | yep |
| 22:04:31 | Bonusbartus | so /dev/zero just means ... zero :P |
| 22:04:39 | amiconn | Windows probably doesn't have /dev/zero, so you need a different source |
| 22:04:55 | rasher | I think the equivalent is NUL |
| 22:05:07 | rasher | or not |
| 22:05:15 | Bonusbartus | yes it does, when i use that build in list option it tells me virtual devices : dev/zero and dev/random |
| 22:05:15 | amiconn | rasher: No, that would be the equivalent of /dev/null |
| 22:05:25 | rasher | oh of course |
| 22:05:56 | Xerion_ | hmm seems nobody ever fixed the cause of last.fm log not loging first played song |
| 22:06:10 | Xerion_ | makes me miss lots of plays :P |
| 22:06:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:06:25 | Bonusbartus | but I suppose could use that, after that, do I have to do something else? or doesnt the player "notice"this? |
| 22:06:51 | Jaelae | DIE ITUNES! |
| 22:08:18 | amiconn | Xerion_: Guess why it's called _last_.fm? ;) |
| 22:08:23 | Xerion_ | :D |
| 22:08:27 | petur | rofl |
| 22:09:29 | petur | there's more stuff to check re last.fm support: they complain about the submit of some songs... |
| 22:09:46 | petur | must keep the log next time... |
| 22:10:09 | Xerion_ | haven't had that problem yet |
| 22:10:17 | obo | petur: one of the warnings on your own page? |
| 22:10:25 | petur | yes |
| 22:10:38 | obo | the bad tags one? |
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| 22:10:45 | Xerion_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495 |
| 22:10:57 | Xerion_ | i was searching for last.fm before :p |
| 22:11:14 | obo | yeah, I didn't want to make your life easy :p |
| 22:11:17 | Xerion_ | hehe |
| 22:11:22 | petur | obo: no, about some songs overlapping I think |
| 22:11:35 | obo | oh, the spam protection... |
| 22:11:40 | PaulPosition | petur - Well that's spam protection.. |
| 22:11:52 | Jaelae | fyi - itunes and windows media center do not mix |
| 22:12:02 | amiconn | To be honest I wouldn't know. I never used that feature and don't intend to either |
| 22:12:03 | petur | but I wasn't spamming them, the output was unaltered from my h340 |
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| 22:12:35 | Xerion_ | H140 doesn't have an RTC so my times are faked anyway, never overlap ;) |
| 22:12:41 | obo | how recently had you used submitted from a PC? |
| 22:12:43 | PaulPosition | petur - Error message is pretty clear, no? You can't regiter a song from earlier than the last song you registered into last.fm.. So if you ever listen to something on your computer before unloading the log on your DAP you're f*cked. |
| 22:13:05 | Xerion_ | yeah that doesn't work |
| 22:13:17 | * | obo hopes that the upcoming protocol 1.2 will allow earlier submissions |
| 22:13:24 | Xerion_ | although I had it work sometimes anyway, shouldn't tho |
| 22:13:54 | petur | the h340 is my only last.fm contribution source (but my squeezebox2 is on its way from repair :) ) |
| 22:14:06 | * | PaulPosition wishes that it'll still keep a watchfull eye on real spamming.. I fear the monstrous logs some kids will submit to become @top fans@ or whatnot.. |
| 22:14:27 | Xerion_ | now I always run the submission script when I get home, and if I forget I just do it next morning when I first get up or so |
| 22:14:30 | * | petur is topfan without spamming :) |
| 22:14:38 | obo | you should have seen it in the early days... some clients would go a bit mad and submit thousands of identical tracks... |
| 22:14:47 | Xerion_ | hehe |
| 22:14:51 | Xerion_ | the itunes bug ;) |
| 22:15:23 | PaulPosition | obo - heh.. ouch. |
| 22:15:25 | obo | I seems to remember at least 1 global reset as well.. |
| 22:15:36 | Xerion_ | I don't get to be topfan of anything but very obscure artists |
| 22:15:47 | Xerion_ | I just have too many plays in total spread over too many artists |
| 22:15:59 | Xerion_ | but the top fans stuff has always been broken anyway |
| 22:16:16 | Exploder | Audioslave rocks!!! |
| 22:16:39 | Xerion_ | I remember when the charts were still updated on every submission :P |
| 22:16:47 | PaulPosition | I never even looked if I was top fan of anything.. But I wish I could have some client that would build playlists for me out of last.fm database, bit like Amarok does on linux... |
| 22:16:52 | Xerion_ | became very slow and not working of course |
| 22:16:57 | PaulPosition | Then I'd have nice folders to shuffle..\ |
| 22:18:12 | PaulPosition | Xerion - They updated on every submission? Jeez... Actually, though, with half the last.fm crowd being there for the image-generation I guess it's still, finally, updating on most submissions behind the scen... |
| 22:18:40 | Xerion_ | the images don't get updated often enough |
| 22:18:47 | Xerion_ | I was trying something with it myself |
| 22:18:49 | PaulPosition | nevermind, only lastplayed gets updated.. |
| 22:19:19 | Xerion_ | even the recenttracks image is only updated soemtimes, makes it rather useless imo |
| 22:19:31 | Bonusbartus | amicon: hmm should I copy to the \dev\harddiskn, or \dev\harddiskn\partionn? |
| 22:19:42 | netmasta10bt | i uploaded a sansa theme to rockbox-themes.org |
| 22:20:19 | * | dan_a tries it |
| 22:20:36 | Xerion_ | sansa seems popular lately :P |
| 22:20:52 | dan_a | netmasta10bt: It's not showing up |
| 22:21:11 | netmasta10bt | yeah −− i guess someone has to do something to show it |
| 22:21:33 | netmasta10bt | i'll make a linky 1sec |
| 22:21:56 | PaulPosition | Xerion - Newest fad syndrome ;) Seems a great player though. |
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| 22:22:45 | dan_a | Xerion_: We've been making a bit of progress on the port, so people are getting interested. |
| 22:24:31 | netmasta10bt | http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/sansa_e200_plain_brown_01.zip |
| 22:25:08 | netmasta10bt | nothing exciting −− but a bit better than regular −− its a converted nano theme |
| 22:25:18 | | Join bawb2 [0] (n=bawb2@129.237.2.66) |
| 22:25:47 | netmasta10bt | i'm working on another conversion thats a bit prettier |
| 22:25:53 | | Part Exploder |
| 22:27:22 | dan_a | It's nice to have something other than the default to play with - and it shows that the LCD flickers a bit. |
| 22:27:38 | netmasta10bt | the progress bar |
| 22:27:40 | netmasta10bt | eh? |
| 22:28:16 | Bonusbartus | amiconn: I think I did it... any way to test if I did it right? |
| 22:28:55 | dan_a | In the WPS, it flickers quite a lot (due to the LCD driver not being quite right.) I'll see if I can do anything about that. |
| 22:31:32 | dan_a | Oooops... doing "reset colors" is a mistake - it's given me black text on a black background! |
| 22:31:35 | rasher | Sansa is one of the most downloaded on my prebuilt simulator page |
| 22:40:46 | | Join Zet [0] (i=zet@blue.zerodistance.fi) |
| 22:40:51 | Zet | hello |
| 22:41:13 | Zet | I'm looking to buy myself my first MP3 player for Christmas |
| 22:41:35 | Zet | and I'd like it to be one that is the best possible match with Rockbox |
| 22:42:00 | Zet | and also smallish |
| 22:42:05 | Zet | which one would you recommend? |
| 22:42:52 | | Join bluebrother [0] (i=4589mzA6@rockbox/staff/bluebrother) |
| 22:43:04 | Bagder | iaudio x5 perhaps |
| 22:46:54 | * | dan_a runs test_fps on the Sansa, and thinks it gets the record |
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| 22:47:16 | PaulPosition | zet - You looking at a hard-drive or flash-mem based DAP? |
| 22:47:22 | dan_a | 47015.5 fps |
| 22:47:26 | preglow | ghahahaha |
| 22:47:27 | netmasta10bt | wh00t |
| 22:47:46 | PaulPosition | harddrive = much more space... flash = much less susceptible to loosing it all after dropping it on the floor. ;) |
| 22:48:22 | Zet | holy crap, the iAudio is expensive :( |
| 22:48:43 | Zet | and yes, I am quite familiar with the concepts of "hard drive" and "flash memory" |
| 22:48:53 | PaulPosition | Which is it you're looking for then? |
| 22:49:02 | Zet | not sure yet |
| 22:49:17 | Zet | it could very well be that I will be looking for neither, as they all look pretty damn expensive :( |
| 22:49:38 | PaulPosition | Okay... I think that's the biggest thing to make a choice... |
| 22:49:42 | obo | second hand or refurb unit? |
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| 22:50:02 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: you reacted on my topid in the hardware forum about the remote controll |
| 22:50:21 | PaulPosition | zet - If you look around, you can have great deals on refurbished units... I paid my h10 5gb only 125$ canadian (so around $105 us) |
| 22:50:27 | bluebrother | that was some while ago, wasn't it? |
| 22:50:39 | * | Zet looks up "refurbished" in the dictionary |
| 22:50:51 | bluebrother | I can remember something from a couple of weeks ago |
| 22:50:52 | Bonusbartus | yeah, I searched a bit more and was here a few times, I only need one more thing... |
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| 22:51:12 | Zet | do you support the iAudio X5L? |
| 22:51:23 | bluebrother | Zet, yes |
| 22:51:40 | Bonusbartus | how does rockbox check which remote is connected |
| 22:51:58 | PaulPosition | zet - Refurbished are players that had small problems or spent way too much time sitting in a box.. Sent back to a factory for verification and (small) fixes and put back on the market.. |
| 22:52:03 | scorche | Bagder, bluebrother, anyone else: i got a response |
| 22:52:19 | bluebrother | you can see a ADC value change when you connect the remote |
| 22:53:00 | Bonusbartus | yeah I noticed that, I also noticed that it changed when I switch hold on and off, but where is the adc connected to... |
| 22:53:15 | obo | scorche: mr pimp? |
| 22:53:19 | scorche | aye |
| 22:53:22 | bluebrother | scorche, wow. |
| 22:53:25 | scorche | here....let me paste |
| 22:53:29 | * | bluebrother gets impatient |
| 22:53:38 | scorche | Yes, the software we use is RockBox. And the only thing we offer is an installation service with preinstalled skins. The RockBox Software in unchanged, so the original credits and logos of Rockbox are still there where they should be. The user also receives a copy of the license files. |
| 22:53:38 | scorche | We do not sell the software, only the installation service. |
| 22:53:38 | scorche | Also the skins are unchanged, just like they has been published for public use. |
| 22:53:47 | Zet | are the Creative Zens any good? |
| 22:54:13 | bluebrother | Zet, I don't know but if you intend to run Rockbox, they aren't supported yet. |
| 22:54:17 | PaulPosition | Zet - They ain't bad but aren't rockbox-able. |
| 22:54:20 | Zet | oh yeah |
| 22:54:38 | scorche | he seems to have forgotten about telling me it was his software that he wrote, the GPL issue, and thinks that just because the "skins" are unchanged, it makes it ok |
| 22:54:52 | | Part lowlight |
| 22:54:56 | Zet | the FAQs don't really say _why_ you don't support the iPod Nano 2nd gen. what so different about it? |
| 22:55:06 | scorche | Zet: pretty much everything |
| 22:55:13 | scorche | the hardware is vastly different |
| 22:55:22 | obo | plus the firmware is encrypted |
| 22:55:34 | PaulPosition | so was the H10's no? |
| 22:55:59 | scorche | PaulPosition: they used very similar hardware to the ipod minis |
| 22:56:02 | Zet | I see |
| 22:56:28 | Bagder | but yes, the h10 and sansa firmwares are encrypted |
| 22:56:34 | Bonusbartus | I thought that the adc was connected to the hold button, so I soldered it loose and checked what the resistor value between the "hold"cable and the digital ground |
| 22:56:44 | bluebrother | scorche, so that's all re replied? |
| 22:57:06 | scorche | bluebrother: well, i took out the C YA at the bottom |
| 22:57:31 | bluebrother | I looked at the website you mentioned on the forum thread earlier today. Doesn't make a good impression on me either. |
| 22:57:43 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: then connected a resistor of the same value between the loose hols cable and the ground, but rockbox didn't detect the remote correctly |
| 22:57:51 | scorche | blue_lizard: his gaming site? |
| 22:57:57 | scorche | errr....damn auto-complete |
| 22:58:00 | Zet | hmm, I found a 1st Gen Nano in an online auction starting at 120 euros |
| 22:58:12 | Zet | 2 GB |
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| 22:58:24 | PaulPosition | That's a lot of money for a 2gb unit, no? |
| 22:58:24 | bluebrother | yeah, that game-something-site |
| 22:58:25 | hcs | you can get refurbished ones from apple for cheap |
| 22:59:29 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: any idea? |
| 22:59:48 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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| 23:00:49 | ani-adom | hi |
| 23:00:54 | Bonusbartus | :X it's the only part Linus left out from his schematics and he didn't remeber what it was :P |
| 23:01:00 | Zet | how does that "refurbished" stuff work? where do I look for one like that? |
| 23:01:06 | ani-adom | were can i learn who to workwith patchs? |
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| 23:02:22 | Bonusbartus | ani-adom, search on the rockbox site, it could be quit a bit of work, working with them... |
| 23:02:46 | ani-adom | :\ |
| 23:03:14 | hcs | Zet: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?find=refurbished+ipod&btn.x=0&btn.y=0 |
| 23:03:21 | bluebrother | ani-adom, there is a wiki page. WorkingWithPatches or similar |
| 23:03:23 | Bonusbartus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 23:03:38 | Bonusbartus | there should it be somewhere |
| 23:03:59 | ani-adom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4802 i need this patch to work. who do apllay it? |
| 23:04:18 | n1s | ani-adom: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches |
| 23:05:35 | hcs | hm, looks like they aren't selling the smaller refurbished nanos there anymore |
| 23:05:48 | n1s | ani-adom: but I can tell you right now that it will be a lot more than just aplying it because it is pretty old and the code has changed a lot |
| 23:06:16 | ani-adom | n1s: ammmmmmmmm |
| 23:06:52 | Zet | hcs: none of those seem to say which generation they are |
| 23:07:01 | bluebrother | huh? Does this loop run even up to 10? |
| 23:07:04 | bluebrother | #define DELAY do { int _x; for(_x=0;_x<10;_x++);} while (0) |
| 23:07:14 | n1s | heh the gl'tterbox site crashed firefox :-) |
| 23:07:24 | bluebrother | nevermind |
| 23:07:25 | hcs | Zet: good point, I wouldn't know how to find that out, either |
| 23:07:44 | bluebrother | my brain is kind of weared out tonight |
| 23:08:04 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: any Idea where to start searching? |
| 23:08:59 | hcs | Zet: you might be able to tell by the quoted battery life, 2gs have somewhat longer |
| 23:09:07 | bluebrother | I'm right now looking at firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c |
| 23:09:18 | Zet | pssh |
| 23:09:27 | bluebrother | looks like the value gets read through i2c via a gpio pin |
| 23:09:41 | Zet | maybe I'll just get a Walkman and some tapes :) |
| 23:10:01 | Bonusbartus | Zet: what are you looking for? |
| 23:10:38 | Zet | something that a) I can afford and b) I can run with free firmware |
| 23:10:50 | Zet | but apparently I can't even find anything that satisfied a) alone :) |
| 23:11:01 | ani-adom | "This wps needs backdrop, bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins to work" |
| 23:11:24 | ani-adom | where can i get this bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins patch? |
| 23:11:52 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - On which target? There most probably is a build somewhere with all those patches applied... |
| 23:12:04 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: I know what al pins on the remote plug are for, but.... further |
| 23:12:35 | ani-adom | i want it to h300-rmx wps. |
| 23:12:47 | Bonusbartus | Zet: what do u want, hdd or flash, 1gb 2gb? 6gb? 20, 40, 60,80? |
| 23:13:21 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - Have you had a look at the misticriver forums where most if not all H3x0 hang..? |
| 23:13:33 | Lear | ani-adom: Backdrop and bitmap progress should be in, I think. At least similar functionality is there; the theme might require more... |
| 23:14:12 | amiconn | dan_a: [22:47:22] <dan_a> 47015.5 fps <== w0w! |
| 23:14:32 | amiconn | Overclocked to 1GHz, or what? ;) |
| 23:14:37 | ani-adom | PaulPosition: im on it right now.. |
| 23:14:39 | PaulPosition | Yeah, wish my 'desktop' had graphics fast as that.. :p |
| 23:14:54 | dan_a | amiconn: lcd_update() just kicks off a DMA transfer, so it returns really quickly |
| 23:15:14 | amiconn | It needs to wait for completion |
| 23:15:14 | bluebrother | hmm, the remote connector is a digital interface, isn't it? |
| 23:15:22 | Bonusbartus | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42675 |
| 23:15:38 | amiconn | ...or at least the next update must not start before the preceding dma transfer ended |
| 23:15:39 | petur | oh... gl'tter implemented viewports.... |
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| 23:17:01 | amiconn | Even then you might run into serious problems |
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| 23:17:17 | amiconn | Most drawing code simply doesn't expect asynchronous updates |
| 23:17:29 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus, I guess that ring on the remote is simply the GND connector |
| 23:17:44 | amiconn | There might be subsequent changes to the framebuffer which aren't intended to be displayed yet |
| 23:17:58 | dan_a | amiconn: I'm working on it :) |
| 23:18:00 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: you guessed correct |
| 23:18:34 | amiconn | There is a reason why my dma-based H300 lcd update busywaits for the dma to complete... |
| 23:18:49 | bluebrother | ... which leads me to the assumption there is some adc connected via spi to the iriver |
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| 23:19:58 | bluebrother | and the adc value gets simply read by adc_scan(ADC_REMOTEDETECT) |
| 23:20:16 | bluebrother | (adc-h100.c:107) |
| 23:20:20 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control |
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| 23:20:58 | bluebrother | ah. I was looking at the schematic |
| 23:21:08 | Bonusbartus | how do u get my name colored when typing to me? |
| 23:21:58 | Bonusbartus | when u read the adc schematic you see only two connections, adress 0 and 1, the normal buttons(inside layer) and the remote buttons |
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| 23:22:41 | Bonusbartus | adress 2 and 3 are used for(according to the rockbox debug menu) 2, battery, 3, remote_connect |
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| 23:23:26 | Bonusbartus | remote connect is the value I need, but I just can't find anywhere how and what is connected to that adress of the adc |
| 23:23:27 | bluebrother | I guess it's simply reading some known data register. |
| 23:24:02 | Bonusbartus | sounds simple :P, how do I fake that with my home brew remote |
| 23:24:21 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus, your name gets colored when it appears on the current line. Nice thing that most irc clients do |
| 23:24:47 | Bonusbartus | ok :) |
| 23:24:55 | bluebrother | so the buttons are completely a resistor network? |
| 23:26:22 | bluebrother | have you tried the BL pin? That could have a measurable pull-up |
| 23:26:48 | Bonusbartus | yep except for the start button, which is a button with one resistor to ground |
| 23:27:07 | Bonusbartus | BL? |
| 23:27:08 | bluebrother | aaah. |
| 23:27:12 | bluebrother | Backlight |
| 23:27:26 | bluebrother | the remote generates a different value when hold is enabled. |
| 23:27:47 | Bonusbartus | yeah I already said that :P, but ... |
| 23:28:15 | Zet | maybe I'll have to look into this again once I've completed my civilian service |
| 23:28:24 | Bonusbartus | I measured the resistor value between hold pin and digital ground |
| 23:28:41 | Zet | my allowance just won't be enough for an MP3 player, it seems :/ |
| 23:29:02 | dan_a | Zet: What is your budget? |
| 23:29:13 | bluebrother | and it doesn't work? |
| 23:29:14 | Zet | dan_a: maybe 80 euros, max |
| 23:29:25 | bluebrother | did you also measure up to the 3V line? |
| 23:30:09 | Bonusbartus | well, I soldered the hold button loose, then connected a resistor with the measured value to the cable and the groud, but that didn't work |
| 23:30:17 | Bonusbartus | whe is the 3v line? |
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| 23:30:41 | Bonusbartus | I measured at the point where the cables are soldered to the remote board |
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| 23:31:33 | kubiix | is any way how to automatically do the preprocess the whole source for selected target and get the clean source for this target ? |
| 23:31:45 | PaulPosition | Zet - Best thing is deblocking a budget, whatever the budget, and keeping it in the bank. Then have a look from time to time at sales from various outlets. You *will* find very attractive deals from time to time, and you'll need the money then. |
| 23:32:07 | Bonusbartus | there shouldn't be a problem with other resistance in the cable, because I put my own restistor on the same place in the network |
| 23:33:00 | PaulPosition | kubiix - uh? What is it you mean? |
| 23:33:10 | dan_a | Zet - If you're good with hardware, you might be able to get 2 broken iPods off ebay and make one working one out of them |
| 23:33:36 | Bonusbartus | zet or a player with damaged battery or zo |
| 23:34:09 | kubiix | PaulPosition: get the souce without unneded parts in #ifdef blocks for another target |
| 23:35:29 | PaulPosition | Oh... Dunno then, there might be something for that, you'd have to read the man page for cvs... |
| 23:35:32 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: problem is that I don't whant to fry my players mainboard... I got an old h120 with some very bad sectors on the harddisk, but even that one i don't want to kill |
| 23:35:53 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus, see the wiki page you mentioned earlier. |
| 23:36:10 | petur | kubiix: I'm sure you can run the compiler with some flag to do only preprocessing or keep the files after build - check the gcc manual |
| 23:36:27 | bluebrother | I still have somewhat the assumptions it's simply a voltage divider, so it's also connected to the 3V line |
| 23:37:20 | bluebrother | I don't want to fry my player too −− it's an important working tool (for not getting distracted by the other students babbling around) |
| 23:37:44 | Bonusbartus | yeah, I think that could be correct, that's the way the resistor network is connected to the adc |
| 23:37:48 | Bonusbartus | hehe same here |
| 23:37:50 | kubiix | petur: i know about the flag E, but this works easy only for single file, not for so many files like in rockbox sources |
| 23:38:05 | Bonusbartus | what are u studying? |
| 23:38:15 | bluebrother | so I'd try to measure the remote between the hold pin and the 3V |
| 23:38:22 | petur | kubiix: you might need to tweak the makefile |
| 23:38:28 | bluebrother | electronic science (if that's the correct english term) |
| 23:38:43 | Bonusbartus | where u from? |
| 23:39:14 | bluebrother | Germany. |
| 23:39:39 | Bonusbartus | I study in germany ;) RWTH, I'm from Kerkrade, Holland |
| 23:40:12 | Bonusbartus | I study Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik... second year... |
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| 23:40:27 | bluebrother | I grew up in Freiburg (south germany), now I'm in Karlsruhe (a bit less south) |
| 23:40:43 | Bonusbartus | :) |
| 23:40:59 | bluebrother | hehe ... same here. When I started it was called "Elektrotechnik", later they renamed it to "Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik" |
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| 23:41:15 | Bonusbartus | hehe |
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| 23:41:49 | Bonusbartus | but, between th hold pin and 3v, that would mean, that I need to measure inside the player itself... |
| 23:41:52 | bluebrother | but my second year is already a bit ago ;-) |
| 23:42:11 | bluebrother | no, I'd just measure that on the remote. |
| 23:42:12 | Bonusbartus | :P |
| 23:42:32 | bluebrother | unfortunately I don't have anything here to try it myself (except the remote) |
| 23:42:35 | Bonusbartus | yeah, problem is, there is no 3v pin |
| 23:42:48 | bluebrother | there is none? The wiki mentiones one |
| 23:42:49 | Unleet | I am using the IRIVER H10 and I am also using "Windows Vista Beta 2" with wmp11. My Vista is not finding the driver software for my H10 and therefore i cannot use it on my pc. Any advice? |
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| 23:43:01 | Bonusbartus | use rockbox :P |
| 23:43:19 | Unleet | Will rockbox detect my H10? |
| 23:43:33 | bluebrother | Unleet, not directly. You need to use it in UMS mode |
| 23:43:51 | Bonusbartus | no, windows should detect your player when it is running rockbox :P |
| 23:44:14 | Unleet | My computer cannot find the driver software for the H10 |
| 23:44:30 | bluebrother | reinstall the computer |
| 23:44:35 | Unleet | Im using vista beta 2 and every time i plug in the player it says it cant find the driver software |
| 23:44:41 | Unleet | i just did last night |
| 23:44:41 | bluebrother | or even better, install a better OS :D |
| 23:44:54 | Bonusbartus | hehe |
| 23:45:12 | Unleet | true but i just upgraded to the newest vista last night hoping to fix the porblem. no luck |
| 23:45:28 | bluebrother | Unleet, this is not rockbox related. I guess the most people here just don't care. |
| 23:45:40 | Bonusbartus | it's not for nothing a beta :) but you could try irivers firmware updater somewhere, with the latest updater you can switch back to mtp and ums and back |
| 23:45:42 | bluebrother | Vista is a better os? |
| 23:46:00 | Unleet | No, Vista is horrible. I suggest using XP |
| 23:46:10 | bluebrother | so why are you using vista? |
| 23:46:20 | * | bluebrother won't use vista on this machine ever |
| 23:46:22 | Unleet | My H10 is in mtp mode |
| 23:46:38 | bluebrother | there is the ums trick ... see the wiki for details |
| 23:46:41 | Unleet | i know the ums trick but right now i just want my computer to recognize the H10 |
| 23:47:03 | bluebrother | no idea. Wrong OS, wrong firmware ;-) |
| 23:47:15 | * | petur won't use xp - ever |
| 23:47:40 | petur | w2k must have been the last (and only) fine os they made |
| 23:47:42 | Unleet | I guess ill go install XP again and read the manual to install rockbox |
| 23:47:52 | * | bluebrother managed to restrain xp to something really useable |
| 23:48:03 | Bonusbartus | same here :P |
| 23:48:15 | Unleet | Is it true RockBox can play videos on the H10? |
| 23:48:24 | bluebrother | I saw some video on youtube explaning the installation of Rockbox on a h10 ... the PC was running vista |
| 23:48:31 | Unleet | really? |
| 23:48:36 | bluebrother | it can, but only basic m2v and without sound |
| 23:48:52 | Unleet | No sound... I see |
| 23:48:53 | bluebrother | when the player is in ums windows shouldn't have any problem finding it |
| 23:49:03 | bluebrother | sound hasn't been done yet. |
| 23:49:09 | Unleet | Ok well i havnt tried the ums trick in vista. |
| 23:49:29 | bluebrother | as it would most probably require using the second core, which needs to be done first |
| 23:49:36 | Unleet | Thats my next step before reverting back to XP |
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| 23:50:06 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother, there isn't a real 3v pin to the remote, the hold pin is connected to the ground connector (with some garbage between them), so the hold pin must be getting 3v inside the player |
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| 23:50:51 | Unleet | Well, thank you for the help(kind of). I hope the ums trick recognizes the H10. |
| 23:51:03 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverHardwareComponents/rmtconn.jpg |
| 23:51:14 | jba | any reason why bubbles (that plugin rocks) doesn't resize to take up as much of the screen as it can? |
| 23:51:30 | bluebrother | the lowest blue label on top of the black jack |
| 23:51:52 | bluebrother | jba, I guess simply because it hasn't been adjusted yet. Which player? |
| 23:52:09 | jba | was playing it on the train this morning, on my gigabeat |
| 23:52:16 | jba | am working on the gigabeat port |
| 23:53:00 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control 3v= Power for the lcd display... |
| 23:53:13 | Zet | oh well |
| 23:53:34 | Zet | I'll just look at players again in May |
| 23:53:39 | Zet | until then, bye... |
| 23:53:39 | bluebrother | yeah, but who tells you that isn't also used for a voltage divider? |
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| 23:54:40 | bluebrother | the non-lcd remote also has this pins |
| 23:54:42 | tehsmo | Unleet: you could always boot a knoppix cd and use that for the install |
| 23:54:53 | tehsmo | then you don't need to install an OS at all |
| 23:55:26 | Bonusbartus | yeah, but the cable connected to it too?, I have that remote here, trying to open it now :P |
| 23:55:56 | goffa | gigabeat would almost fit zet's budget (although its not fully supported... yet) |
| 23:56:42 | goffa | it is running on it though.. just missing certain accessability options for people who can hear :) |
| 23:56:44 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: crap it's screwless.... trying harder... |
| 23:56:46 | pixelma | jba: uhmm... sorry I once started to adjust it (in the sim) but gave up on a certain point (that was before plugin button actions) but now that you have plugins running on the real target... |
| 23:57:18 | jba | it's such a cool plugin |
| 23:58:17 | pixelma | ...ok I'll see what I can do in the next days(no promise though) ;) |
| 23:58:18 | bluebrother | there was some "opening guide" on iriverlounge.de |
| 23:58:43 | * | bluebrother just removed the clip from the remote ... didn't sound good |
| 23:59:01 | Bonusbartus | site doesn't exist... |
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