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#rockbox log for 2006-11-29

00:00:12Bagdera step-by-step guide and out comes a Rockbox port in the end :-)
00:00:13MercutioI'm going to learn as much as I can and I will buy a zune for someone who knows they can do this
00:00:27Mercutioits a start in the right direction
00:01:36Mercutiothank yall for your help, and I'll check back with yall if anything starts to happen, if you care to know about it
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00:03:34preglowanyone think reverse stereo is something worth stuffing into rockbox?
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00:05:23jhMikeSI seem to keep putting my headphones on backwards all the time so sure. I'm too lazy to turn them around. :)
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00:06:05PaulJami don't think i would even notice if the channels were reversed.
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00:13:58jbajhMikeS, bag full of crabs?
00:14:02jbaanyway, sorry got held up at work
00:14:25jbasomething worth stuffing into rockbox is rotwating the display orientation\
00:15:48Bagderthat's not a small thing
00:15:53Bagderit'd be major
00:16:21jbabut way cool for displays which are longer than they are wider
00:16:54Bagderwould be easier to build two different Rockbox builds and switch between them ;-)
00:16:59jbalike say, the gigabeat
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00:17:06dan_aor the Sansa!
00:17:22jhMikeSjba: Weebls stuff?
00:17:34jbaaah you're still on that
00:17:39jbai appologise for posting the link here then
00:17:48jhMikeSjba: It won't go away ;)
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00:17:53jbajhMikeS, what I was asking before was some novel way of testing the value of paying in audio_stop (playback.c) other than drawing a line on the screen
00:18:09jbaI tried gui_synchsplash but it doesn't display anything when called from within playback.c
00:18:19jbaweebls is funny though
00:19:02jhMikeSjba: lcd_puts? don't know why it wouldn't work from playback.c. they're used there.
00:19:25jbaneither does lcd_puts (which is why i tried splashes)
00:19:40jbaso on a normal working port, lcd_puts should work anywhere, regardless of mode?
00:20:07jhMikeSunless it's getting overwritten real quick so you can't see it
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00:20:37jbathat's what i thought about lcd_puts, which is why i chose splash, they're modal aren't they?
00:21:46jhMikeSjba: but it yields and other threads can overwrite. i'd do a splash with a timeout of 0 and then just do a million loops or something to freeze things
00:22:01jbathanks for the suggestion wil ltry it
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00:22:12jbaso timeout 0, is indefinite splash?
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00:22:46jhMikeSjba: no, it returns immediately but perform no yielding
00:23:18jbaso it won't get wiped
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00:23:31jbaokay thanksmate will test that one
00:23:49jbasomeone should add a debug_splash to the splash.c implementation that does that
00:23:57jbalike me maybe
00:24:22jhMikeSjust have to do a loop, no yield checking ticks I suppose
00:25:45jbaa loop with continue, won't get optimisedd out?
00:26:56jhMikeSjust a for loop incrementing a variable will stay or whatever
00:29:05dan_apreglow: Waiting for the cache invalidation to finish doesn't help (but on the plus side, it did teach me how to put data in IRAM from assembler)
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00:36:41pregloweh, no, not weird :>
00:36:44preglowi didn't expect it to work
00:38:00preglowi need to sleep, later
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00:38:11dan_aThanks for your help
00:40:17markunBagder: we can now do a full screen update at 272fps on the gigabeat
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00:43:13amiconnjba: Changing the splash to wait for a certain time will severely change the timing, not very useful for debugging imho
00:44:04amiconnIf I had a gigabeat, I would try to make use of the special display properties to resemble the logf display rockbox does on the targets with remote lcd
00:44:14jbaamiconn, i just need some feedback mechanism, anything
00:44:22jbacan you suggest something different?
00:44:28amiconnThe display is huge, so you could split it in 2 sub-displays
00:44:57amiconnJust tell rockbox the main lcd is smaller than it actually is, and put debug output in the free space with a secondary driver
00:44:58jbai don't get what your driving at?
00:45:06jbai see
00:45:19jbawell i guess i could do that, but that means I need to spend time writing a new lcd driver :(
00:45:29jbabut you know that is the best way to debug though, you're right
00:45:46amiconnThis isn't really difficult, but unfortzunately quite some work atm
00:46:37*amiconn wishes he would have had some time to work on viewports
00:48:58amiconnI still wonder why the variable only misbehaves on the gigabeat though
00:49:10jbathhat's what i'm trying to find out
00:49:24jbait seems any call to audio_stop hangs it, not just talk_init
00:50:01amiconnThis is during init, correct?
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00:52:23jbano we put an if around it that stop it dufing init
00:52:33jbaany call to audio_get_buffer fails
00:53:07amiconnI would at first try to put splashes that show the value of that variable at different points of the init
00:53:09jhMikeSI think a quick and dirty look at which stage in init, after audio_preinit it get changed, would be enough to track it down or narrow the search alot imho. My first suspect isn't playback.c...could be wrong...but it doesn't seem likely.
00:53:30amiconnI mean in the main thread which actually calls the various inits
00:54:11amiconnUsually only the main thread draws to the lcd, so if you splash from there, with a delay, it won't get overwritten
00:54:48amiconnYou can use lcd functions from other threads, but you must be very careful what you're doing there
00:55:54amiconnOne thing is that the main thread may immediately overwrite what the other thread just put on the display, another thing is that the main thread assumes no one else changes status values like colour, draw mode etc
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00:57:04jhMikeShaving logf on a remote is a very nice thing indeed
00:57:12amiconnJust avoid one thing: never use lcd functions from ISRs unless you're really sure what you're doing
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00:57:39amiconnjhMikeS: Actually I almost never even use logf, let alone logf on the remote
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00:58:39amiconnI did all my Ondio MMC driver development using the debug menu and splashes. Back then there was no logf(), and debug builds like on the other Archoses aren't possible on the Ondio.
00:59:02jhMikeSwell, it just got me right to the fix for FS #6389 which turned out to be my fault :(
00:59:03amiconnAt least not when trying to access the MMC, which is obviously an essential point when writing an MMC driver ;)
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02:00:47xipietotecany chance the rockbox team is going to tackle the zune or gremlin?
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02:34:11mikeowow this channel really grew from the archos days
02:37:45zeno kidding
02:37:49zewho are all thse people?
02:38:42tyrionze: one would assume we are rockbox developers, users, fanboys and $others
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02:39:39zetyrion: or various combinations of the above and/or ex-above
02:40:47tyrionze: well no, if your a devoleper your not allowed be a user, end of
02:41:12zewell i'm an ex-pseudo-developer, ex-user, fanboy, and probably $other
02:42:00zeand, although this is admittedly IRC, there could also potentially maybe be fangirls
02:43:07tyrionze: girls? on IRC? hahaha
02:43:11zeyeah i know
02:43:18zei've seen it happen before, though
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02:43:27tyrionand if they say they're girls... watch out
02:43:49tyrionits probabbly a naked 40year old guy
02:44:05zewell you know what they say
02:44:15zeIRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the 14yo girls are FBI agents
02:44:25tyrion:) yes
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02:48:10tyrionze: mind you, this is what i though of when you said "You know what thy say"
02:50:35zehost not found
02:50:39zenot in X anyway so no swf
02:50:46zei'll try later i guess
02:51:11tyrionfirst toon, ONCE YOU GO BLACK
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03:18:41webguest91can anybody help me install 5g video ipod
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03:52:48Davide-NYCWhould you all call Rockbox a "new project"?
03:53:00Davide-NYCIs it "based on linux"?
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04:04:56Pajama-Byou think this is leget?
04:05:33Pajama-BGot my new iriver today but they sent me the wrong charger...
04:05:41Davide-NYCdo you have a multimeter?
04:05:56Davide-NYCyou have to be SUPER careful with the H1x0 units
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04:06:00Pajama-Byeah i know
04:06:17rasherWhat's wrong with the charger they sent?
04:06:17Pajama-Bit just won't fit in a us wall socket that's all
04:06:27Pajama-BEuropean or something
04:06:29rasherJust buy a converter
04:06:30Davide-NYCno biggee, get an adapet for 4#
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04:06:49rasherIt's the same charger - takes 110-240v
04:07:00Davide-NYCyeah, what rasher said
04:07:07rasherJust a different socket
04:07:36Pajama-BI went to radio shack which is the only store we have around here that would sell that kind of thing, and it was loose, wasn't making contact
04:07:37Davide-NYCgotta go
04:07:44Pajama-Bso don't think it was the right one
04:08:52Davide-NYCyou don't need a new charger... good luck.
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04:09:23rasherThe easiest solution is to find the right adapter
04:09:26rasherAnd safest
04:09:29rasherAnd cheapest
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04:25:20sekondchakraI've read about a battery-life plugin−−but for the life of me cannot find where to download it...!
04:26:10sekondchakra(it writes something to a log every disc access or something..
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06:51:54wilberfanGAK! I'm about ready to strangle something.... How the frick do you get a bookmark to work?!
06:53:19wilberfanDude....that's where I started~!
06:53:39scorchethen what is the issue you are having?
06:54:18wilberfanI've got everything set... "Bookmark on Stop" = yes (or ask)... But I'm never prompted for anything....and nothing ever gets saved...!
06:54:19scorcheSoapIsOutOfTown: there?
06:54:30wilberfanwhat does "Stop" mean, exactly...?!
06:54:39scorchewhen you stop the playback
06:54:45wilberfanHOW exactly....
06:54:59scorchewhat device do you have?
06:55:02wilberfan>|| is "pause" technically, isn't it??
06:55:07wilberfanipod mini 1g
06:55:07scorcheit is
06:55:18scorchehold play/pause
06:55:23scorchefor 2 seconds
06:55:25scorcheor so
06:55:34scorchebut not long enough to cause a shutdown
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06:56:21wilberfanMan...that's a tricky piece of timing....!
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06:57:11scorchenot really
06:57:21wilberfanI haven't managed it yet!
06:57:21scorcheas soon as the WPS goes away, you can release
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06:57:46 Quit dau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) goes back to the tagcache listing that I started it from....but still no bookmark prompt....
06:58:50wilberfanI DO see a little black square (which must indicated "stopped")...but why no prompt??
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07:01:40wilberfan{sigh} man, this sucker just AIN'T ready for Prime Time, is it...?!
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07:03:29wilberfanwell, thanks for the "stop" explanation, anyway...
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08:33:36webguest99 petur: ping
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09:02:08dan_apreglow: There was nothing wrong with my assembly code. Creating the MI4 file overwrites the data from 0xe0-0xeb. I've been burned by this a few times, so I'll see if there's anything I can do to get the linker to die if it's putting anything at those addresses.
09:03:11Bagderdan_a: or just write a tiny tool that checks that after link and shows a huge warning banner it so
09:03:16Bagderif so
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09:05:04dan_aBagder: I'll see what I can come up with. Please pass on my thanks to MrH for finding that :)
09:05:24Bagdersomething tells me he'll read you saying it here ;-)
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09:09:58webguest99hi petur
09:10:51*petur looks up webguest99 in his contacts book
09:11:20webguest99petur: could you please have a look at FS #6394 and FS #6387 and (if you like them) commit?
09:11:51peturah it's you ;)
09:11:58Slasherioh, i get the ipod today \o/
09:12:05webguest99I'm a KGB agent, I'm not allowed to disclose my identity:-)
09:12:36peturwatch out for radioactive poison then....
09:13:40webguest99 petur: that's not funny at all!
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09:14:12peturI'll make a note of the patches and see if I find some time tonight
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09:15:06webguest99petur: ok
09:16:05peturwebguest99: would it not be better to just change it in all the lang files iso this DEPRECATED stuff? After all, we're just renaming the ID...
09:16:34*petur wonders what the rules are for DEPRECATED
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09:17:13Bagderrenaming IDs will break older lang files
09:17:53peturnot if you change them all. but it will probably break voice files
09:18:25Bagderehm, yeah
09:19:00peturpruning would be a nice code/ram saver if there's more of those in there
09:19:25peturmaybe together with string sharing (jhMikeS also found some idnticals)
09:19:36Bagderyes, and then we should bump the lang file number
09:19:44Bagderjust to be nice
09:20:11peturand apologise to our blind users
09:20:32peturor offer fresh voice files
09:20:59markunplaying all these games on my Gigabeat distracts me from working on audio playback :)
09:21:35*petur is still considering getting a gigabeat for his father... really looks nice 'n powerfull
09:22:08markunBagder: some gameboy color roms now
09:22:36*petur whispers audio audio audio ...
09:23:09peturare there serious problems for audio like missing datasheets or connections?
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09:23:31peturjust doing the work eh? ;)
09:24:05amiconnpetur: What will probably save most is going through all .lang files and use the power of langv2 to eliminate (empty or remove, depending on the kind of string) unused strings per target
09:24:06webguest99petur: I'm a little man, not brave enough to propose such radical things as global ID renaming
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09:24:47webguest99peur: but it would be good, yes
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09:25:58Slasherigot the ipod \o/
09:26:12linuxstbA 5.5g?
09:26:21Slasheriyes, 30GB :)
09:26:25peturnow you can try to brick that one too
09:26:33amiconnBagder: Could you add a few small features to genlang (if they're not yet there)?
09:26:34Slasherinow opening the package and patching rockbox ;)
09:26:36linuxstbHave fun with the 2048 byte sectors...
09:26:43Slasherii will :)
09:27:00linuxstbAre you planning on trying to fix that patch?
09:27:02*scorche wonders why not the 80 gig
09:27:06Slasheriof course
09:27:16linuxstbscorche: He's just lazy...
09:27:23scorcheof course...
09:28:16linuxstbSlasheri: Are you going to try to go for run-time detection of sector size, or add a new build?
09:28:23scorcheoof...i just realized that i was resting my foot *right* next to the switch for my power strip...i think i need to move that
09:28:48Slasherilinuxstb: run-time detection
09:30:47linuxstbIs this ipod your only working Rockbox device now?
09:30:53Slasheriand also fixing the scheduler to run UI on separate core
09:31:07Slasheriyes, until i get it working :)
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09:32:03linuxstbJust don't try flashing a new bootloader...
09:32:12LinusNSlasheri: the mailman woke me up at 7 with an express package :-)
09:32:38*linuxstb would love Rockbox in flash on the ipods though...
09:32:49SlasheriLinusN: oh, "nice" ;)
09:32:57Slasheriyou got it :)
09:33:37LinusNyup. will solder the bdm connector in a few minutes
09:33:50Slasherithanks, but no hurry :)
09:36:39dan_alinuxstb: Where did you get up to with RoLo on the iPods? Did all the work you did get committed?
09:37:55Slasherihmm, that ipod seems to be really nice. need to start compiling rockbox now :)
09:38:31peturwhat? it's not running yet?
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09:41:03Slasheriit's soon :)
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09:42:54linuxstbdan_a: Yes, I think it's all committed. My local tree is just failed experiments to get it working reliably.
09:43:52dan_aIf I can figure out cache flushing on the PP5002, I'll see what I can do, probably this evening
09:44:46dan_aWere you trying to load OF with it, too? If so, are there instructions for making the image anywhere?
09:44:56linuxstbdan_a: In fact, I think I do have an uncomitted patch - it adds support for booting ".bin" images (e.g. the IPL kernel and RetailOS). Not sure if it will still apply cleanly, but it's here -
09:45:09Slasherilinuxstb: should i run tools/configure and select the ipod video?
09:45:12dan_alinuxstb: Thanks!
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09:46:43linuxstbSlasheri: I guess so...
09:47:46Slasheriand after make i have no idea what to do next ;) will search the wiki..
09:48:03linuxstbdan_a: I would expect that loading the original firmware fails because of the COP - my patch doesn't attempt to leave it in the right state (whatever that state should be...).
09:48:45linuxstbSlasheri: You'll need the patched versions of ipod_fw.c and (if you're on Windows) ipodpatcher.exe
09:49:20dan_alinuxstb: That's one of the things I'll be playing with - but it might have some data in its cache, hence the need for a cache invalidate function
09:49:27Slasherii am on linux.. hmm, do i need to compiler a patched version of the bootloader also?
09:49:35linuxstbAh, yes.
09:50:14Slasheriok, almost done :)
09:50:18linuxstbAs you probably know, the ipod bootloader is just written to the disk, so it's easy to recover from bad bootloaders.
09:51:36linuxstbdan_a: Loading the original firmware with Rolo will be a useful feature, given our bootloader's stubbornness in detecting key presses.
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10:02:47Slasherihehe, now writing the bootloader image to the ipod disk :)
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10:05:36Slasherioh, rockbox works great :)
10:05:46Slasherior booted at least
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10:09:11LinusNSlasheri: ok, the bdm connector is mounted
10:09:30LinusNwill try to connect this evening
10:10:44thegeekAh, best news in a long time
10:10:52SlasheriLinusN: great :)
10:11:17thegeekSlasheri: if you need anyone to test 80gb 5.5g code just let me know;P
10:11:40Slasherithegeek: hehe :)
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10:18:34Slasherihmm, just wondering how can i shutdown rockbox or reboot it cleanly on ipod
10:20:09PaulJami think it is holding the play button
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10:20:53Slasheriah, thanks. that did it
10:21:27linuxstbYes, long press on PLAY. Other important key combinations - holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds is a hardware reset, and holding SELECT+PLAY whilst booting takes you to the Apple emergency USB mode.
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10:23:56Slasheriwell, that 5.5G is definately usable. Almost everything seems to work quite well, except the playlist which i will debug soon
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10:26:12Slasherieven tagcache committed, so filesystem driver should be quite good
10:26:28Slasheriand tagcache puts extreme stress on the filesystem code
10:26:41LinusNi'm really curious why apple would want larger sector sizes
10:27:44LinusNSlasheri: myzar will soon be your biggest fan :-)
10:28:06BagderLinusN: to reduce the number of sectors needed when going 80GB? maybe they have a lack of bits! ;-P
10:28:19*Bagder starts
10:28:29scorcheSlasheri: be sure to have your anti-myzar-lick spray on hand
10:29:10LinusNseriously, can anyone think of a good explanation for the sector size?
10:29:27Slasherinice, i can even skip tracks when ipod is in my pocked under the protective coat.. works even better than with h140. Just need to find the right "spot" to click on
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10:31:22Slasheriinteresting.. clickwheel works too under that coat
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10:32:44thegeekI've noticed too
10:33:02thegeekhowever I think it's cheap of apple not to include a proper "case"
10:33:22thegeekthey could atleast have made some transparent cutouts for the bag/case that is included
10:34:24thegeekthe back of the ipod scratches so easily it's ridiculous
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10:38:37LinusNi'm looking at the 2048-byte sector patch
10:38:55LinusNis it ?
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10:39:20LinusNi wonder why the sector size is coded in the config files
10:39:46LinusNwhy not let the FAT driver adapt to the sector size in the BPB?
10:40:29LinusNi mean it even reads and checks the sector size field in the BPB
10:40:42LinusNi'm confused
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10:44:29amiconnSlasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define
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10:45:01amiconnWe don't need that code on other targets than the video
10:45:03LinusNamiconn: ah - there's a reason to not have runtime detection
10:45:13amiconnLinusN: why?
10:45:25LinusNcode size
10:45:32amiconn[10:44:29] <amiconn> Slasheri: When you add runtime sector size detection, please make it selectable via #define
10:45:38LinusNlike you just pointed out
10:45:56amiconnIt just another one, like we don't build fat16 support for other devices than ondio
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10:47:33amiconn...and having a simple #define allows to change this easily, e.g. when it turns out that smaller sansas might come as fat16 factory formatted
10:48:32LinusNmy objection was rather that the sector sizes were hardcoded in the patch
10:49:08LinusNi still don't understand why they would want 2048-byte sectors
10:49:22LinusNsmaller FAT?
10:50:12amiconnI have no idea
10:50:18linuxstb_Maybe faster transfers over USB? But I would have thought that USB drivers would avoid small transfers anyway and perform some caching.
10:50:50amiconnlinuxstb_: Afaik the largest possible usb packets are smaller than a disk sector
10:51:09thegeekin my experience my 80gb 5.5g is a lot slower than my h120
10:51:10amiconnThat's definitely the case for usb1.1, not sure about 2.0 here
10:51:16thegeeka _lot_ slower
10:51:47Kasperlei wonder why they make the iPod say "I'm 2048 sectors in hardware" over USB, but really use a 512 byte/sector drive
10:53:04LinusNKasperle: really odd
10:53:33LinusNi wonder if the reason is technical or political
10:53:35Kasperlebecause that must've caused _their_ developers some headaches, too
10:54:34Bagder"and the winner of our internal Apple competition: most confusing new thing with the 5.5 series, is the file system team who came up with this great idea and they get a free ipod to share as a bonus"
10:54:54Bagdergenuine quote, I promise
10:55:08LinusN"obfuscator of the month"
10:55:30amiconnI wonder even more what's up with the 80GB model...
10:55:47LinusNhuh, is it even more different?
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11:00:01thegeekthe ipodlinux wiki says something is different with the controller
11:00:18linuxstb_Given that the ATA controller is inside the PP5021, I'm not sure why they think that.
11:01:23thegeek"The Loader doesn't work on the 80GB. It seems to have a modified disk controller."
11:01:33thegeek"it seems..";P
11:01:44thegeekperhaps they don't really know either
11:01:47linuxstb_My guess would be that it needs a different initialisation sequence - so someone needs to dig into an 80GB's bootloader.
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11:03:33LinusNperhaps the 80gb drive has 2048 byte sectors in hardware?
11:04:02linuxstb_Would that cause ata_init() to fail?
11:04:16LinusNnot sure
11:05:30bluebrotherKasperle, BPB is the Bios Parameter Block. It's part of the FAT filesystem.
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11:12:17LinusNSlasheri: are you unable to run the OF on the ipod?
11:13:22amiconnlinuxstb_: The flash code on the ipods isn't encrypted, correct?
11:14:21amiconnSomeone should try to dump the 80/G5.5 rom somehow, and then compare it to the G5 rom
11:17:20LinusNSlasheri: you pimped your ipod all by yourself - and saved 25 :-)
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11:18:23LinusNi think mr daurn|laptop really needs to check his connection
11:18:48LinusNquite annoying with all these disconnects/reconnects
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11:26:29LinusNis it only the 80gb that reports 2048-byte sectors on the USB level?
11:26:38linuxstb_amiconn: The copy on disk (in the firmware partition) is encrypted, but the copy in flash is not.
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11:27:02amiconnlinuxstb_: That's why I said flash, not disk
11:27:18amiconnOf course it will be tricky to dump the flash if ata isn't working
11:27:33SlasheriLinusN: hehe, haven't tried loading the OF yet :)
11:27:44linuxstb_Audio playback is probably working....
11:27:59*amiconn wonders what would happen if someone connects a 30GB disk from a 30/G5.5 to an 80/G5.5
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11:28:44Slasheriat least ipod does the click of death when connecting usb using rockbox.. i will fix that first
11:29:08linuxstb_Implementing a clean shutdown on USB would be nice...
11:29:10amiconnMaybe the rom is the same and just does things different depending on what disk is connected?
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11:30:21Slasherior like someone mentioned, the 80GB disk just supports different ata level
11:31:19LinusNcould be lba48
11:32:12amiconnata is backwards compatible afaik
11:32:24amiconnlba48 must be explicitly enabled
11:32:34Slasherii saw somewhere a mention that any level below ata-3 was not supported
11:32:40Slasheribut not sure about that
11:33:33Slasherimight be very possible with custom hardware designs
11:35:01linuxstb_Haven't people connected the 80GB Toshiba drive to H140s successfully with Rockbox? Or have Apple got a custom drive?
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11:39:02Paul_the_NerdI believe someone mention the Apple one wasn't labelled MK8007GAH, but I'm not certain my memory is trustworthy at the moment.
11:40:17scorchewelcome back to IRC =)
11:41:05Paul_the_NerdI am officially declaring my resignation from trying to finish the story on time.
11:41:27Paul_the_NerdI could rush it, and finish it, and it would suck, or I can take my time and have it done sometime around January, and at least it'll be something I'm proud of.
11:41:33Paul_the_NerdSo I'm back.
11:41:47scorchei still havent seen any bit of it =P
11:42:00Paul_the_NerdI know. :-P
11:42:13Paul_the_NerdI'll make it available at some point though.
11:42:27Paul_the_NerdSo, is the Pimp My Ipod thing any progressed from the most recent post, or is it just waiting now?
11:42:28scorchealright...i will be waiting =)
11:42:39scorchei just posted that
11:42:41scorcheso, no
11:44:30LinusNc++ - hah
11:45:07scorcheto the untrained eye maybe ;)
11:45:40Paul_the_NerdI wonder how he responds to people with freezing issues on 4G, or any of our other thrilling 'issues'.
11:46:04scorchemost likely ignores them
11:46:05bluebrothermaybe he has a build with frequency switching disabled
11:46:24bluebrotherbut then his "customers" may get annoyed by the short runtime
11:47:20scorchethen again, he only offers it for video, nano, and mini
11:47:31Paul_the_NerdBut, both Gs on Mini?
11:47:41scorchebut mini 1g should be the same as 4g
11:47:56scorchefrom the looks of it, yeah
11:48:12scorchei was wondering also how he can give it to them without documentation
11:48:28scorchealthough, he might just edit the pdf
11:48:37Paul_the_NerdVery possible.
11:48:40Bagderor html
11:48:42Paul_the_NerdOr talks them through it, or something.
11:49:55bluebrotheror just tell "his" firmware is too good so no need for any documentation ;-)
11:50:16Paul_the_NerdClearly it's so intuitive anyone should be able to use it. :)
11:50:28bluebrotherbut I would be interested to see what kind of docs he provides and if (and how) he changed the manual
11:51:04scorchewell, we will have to see how he responds to my mail
11:51:30bluebrotherwhat did you wrote?
11:52:03bluebrotheror, is this thing available in full somewhere?
11:53:22scorchei just wrote a mail telling him what he did wrong, what infringements, we are aware, etc
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11:54:11scorcheif you want the mail, i can always pastebin it =P
11:54:26bluebrothermaybe later, thanks
11:54:45bluebrotherI just was wondering if you / someone already started documenting it
11:54:53xipietotec....cnet reviewers suck...they downgrade any PVP/MP3 player that doesn't support Microsoft's DRM'd crap.
11:55:20scorchei have...being that i am contacting him, there is no excuse if i wasnt
11:55:27LinusNscorche: i'd like to see your response
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12:00:08xipietotecAre the dev's working on hacking the wifi enabled PMP's?
12:01:02thegeekimo wifi is pretty stupid on a portable media device
12:01:11thegeekit just uses too much (precious) battery
12:01:13scorcheLinusN: watch for a flood in a private is acting up
12:01:36scorchei would, but those expire in 24 hours
12:01:52scorchefor this type of thing, it is better if i limit it to about 10 min ;)
12:01:59Kasperleah :D
12:02:24scorchewhich afaik, is the only pastebin that will expire them that soon
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12:04:34bluebrothertoo bad, in this case I would have read that too
12:04:44scorchei can flood you too of course =)
12:04:56linuxstb__xipietotec: Which version of MS's DRM... ?
12:05:03bluebrothernice, wikipedia has a nice list of pastebins
12:05:16*linuxstb__ wonders if the Pimping guys remove .rockbox/docs/COPYING.txt
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12:05:43bluebrotherbtw, how about having our own pastebin on the rockbox site?
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12:06:57linuxstbYou mean hosting a pastebin script?
12:07:09scorcheactually, i was planning on hosting my own when i get my site up...which should be soon-ish
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12:07:45bluebrotherscorche, found one here:
12:08:25bluebrotherwikipedia can be a great tool
12:09:19scorcheyou have 5 minutes
12:09:32scorcheand unfortunately, it didnt have word wrap
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12:10:52scorchei havent written many of those, but i made sure that someone (bagder) cleared it before i sent it
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12:13:52xipietoteclinuxstb: Any, essentially if the Media player/mp3 player doesn't support DRM'd (or only supports one form of DRM'd) crap, Cnet reviewers downgrade it.
12:13:56*bluebrother awaits impatiently what's happening next in this issue
12:14:15bluebrothernice mail anyway
12:14:25*scorche sits beside bluebrother as well
12:14:35scorcheit gets the job done
12:15:23xipietotecexcept the miserable Zune only has it's DRM9 incompatibility mentioned once....the device got an 8.0 rating.
12:15:46xipietotectheir editor's snort crack.
12:16:14Kasperledoes that even work? ;)
12:16:41Kasperlei could imagine the stones to hurt going through the nose
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12:20:19xipietotecI'm also pissed that companies are still somehow able to charge an arm and a leg for hobbled glorified HD's with a screen....they cost allmost as much as a cheap laptop, and more than the nintendo Wii
12:20:49xipietotecI'm hoping someone works on a "How to" to building your own video and wifi enabled PMP.
12:21:12Bagderyou'll find it'll be more expensive to build your own
12:21:46ScoTTieConsoles are either sold at a loss or very low profit
12:21:57ScoTTiethey make money back on games and licences
12:22:38ScoTTieiPod's probably have a decent enough profit margin
12:22:54Paul_the_NerdThe Wii is solid at a profit, though not much.
12:23:05Paul_the_NerdThe Wii is also significantly bigger than an iPod, or even an Archos JBR.
12:23:10Bagderstill, manufactorers get their parts a lot cheaper than a mere mortal can
12:23:24BagderLCDs being a prime example
12:23:30xipietotecBagder: Maybe, but the advantage might be infinite upgrade path. FLOSSpod.
12:23:33Bagderthey're dead expensive when you try to buy a single one
12:23:50Paul_the_NerdRockbox doesn't need LCDs though. :-P
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12:24:20scorchenot to mention when you get to be the only one doing the port effort and will be the only one that would appreciate it (one possibility)
12:25:07scorcheand it would probably be a trunk, so devs wouldnt have to worry with your device as well
12:26:05scorchebut you never know
12:26:10*scorche is off to bed
12:27:37xipietotecEh...what I'm getting at is that they're in general'll be maybe 1 or 2 years and you'll have wifi enabled full PDA's with equivilent HD space, perhaps upgradeable even, priced for less than 2x as much.
12:28:04Bagderthat's due to development, not overpricing
12:28:16scorcheimo, the biggest hurdle is battery life
12:28:28Bagderin an extremly competitive market, how can anyone overcharge?
12:28:39xipietotecand since it's a mini computer, the wifi portion won't be crippled like it is in the Zune/Gremlin.
12:29:00xipietotecBagder: Actually it isn't too competitive, apple has 85% market share.
12:29:25Paul_the_NerdLess than twice as much is still a wide range.
12:29:25Bagderthen explain why not all the korean players are half the ipod price?
12:29:41Paul_the_NerdLess than twice the cost of a $400 device can still be an additional $200 I'd have to pay for features I have no interest in.
12:29:46Bagderif it would be that easy, they would lower the price to gain market share
12:30:02BagderI say its just BS
12:30:15xipietotecPaul_the_Nerd: what I'm getting at is that prices for more powerful devices will quickly fall.
12:30:31Paul_the_NerdThen wait for them to fall if you're confident they will.
12:30:37Bagderof couse they will fall
12:30:50Bagderprices for tech stuff fall all the time
12:30:57Bagderat least during the last 20 years
12:31:43xipietotecI'm just doubting the long term price viability of portable media players (dedicated media players) vs. hand held computers.
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12:32:03BagderPDAs are almost extinct already
12:32:18Bagderthey'll all merge in mobile phones one day I'd say
12:32:25SoapIsOutOfTownxipietotec: I prefer single-use devices.
12:32:28Paul_the_NerdAnd I won't enjoy that day.
12:32:49Bagderme neither really
12:32:56Paul_the_NerdI'd like my phone to mostly stay a phone/pda, I'd rather have my media-use time untied to my electronic-communication use.
12:33:06SoapIsOutOfTownI carry a phone, a PDA, and a iPod. Until there is a revoloution in batteries (fuel cells?) I don't have enough battery on any one of the devices to merge them.
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12:33:50xipietotecSoapIsOutOfTown: Single use devices generally evolve into professional/enthusiast devices instead, the trend being to evolve into more multi-function devices.
12:33:57SoapIsOutOfTownnot to mention the failure of multi-purpose user interfaces to do such different tasks well/
12:34:38SoapIsOutOfTownthe qualities which make a good PDA make a poor DAP, and vise versa.
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12:36:45SoapIsOutOfTowna phone/PDA I /could/ envision, with bluetooth headsets now you can both talk and write/reference at the same time, but considering I kill the biggest battery they make for a cellphone easily in a day, there is no way I could personally combine devices.
12:37:44linuxstbWhilst we're slightly off-topic, anyone know of any car head units with hard disks built-in. Similar to the Neo Car Jukebox (which doesn't seem to be available any more).
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12:40:00ragman93can anyone help me with this stupid thing?
12:40:03webguest20Bagder: the problem is that by the time the device is cheap enough it disappears from the market
12:40:11Bagderof course
12:40:25Bagderbecause companies can't/won't sell stuff that is too cheap
12:40:37Paul_the_Nerdragman93: Well, considering we don't know what stupid thing you're having a problem with, or what problem you're having, we can't accurately answer that question.
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12:41:03webguest20Yes. But even on secondary market. Try to find H1xx.
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12:41:16ragman93i got a black 4GB ipod nano with blackbox and i cant find out how to put videos on it?
12:42:04Bagdersee MpegPlayer wiki page
12:42:13ragman93kk thanks
12:42:33linuxstbBut you'll probably be disappointed with it - it's not a finished application.
12:43:10Bagderor you may like the challenge to improve it!
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12:59:59ragman93hey could someone send me a link to download the app?
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13:01:03ragman93a direct link?
13:01:08Bagderto what?
13:01:15peturwhy? what model?
13:01:28petur'the app' ?
13:02:21ragman934gb nano
13:02:35ragman93to mpeg play
13:02:42Bagderit comes bundled
13:03:19ragman93but i need to download it?
13:03:31markunit comes with rockbox
13:03:36BagderI really suggest you RTFM
13:03:58ragman93in plugins
13:04:01ragman93its not there
13:04:21markunBagder: would it make sense to enable the MMU's write buffer for the ATA registers?
13:04:24peturbecause it's a viewer?
13:04:53markunragman93: look up the wiki page that Bagder suggested
13:04:59peturragman93: you just need to play the file like you would do with an audio file
13:05:54Bagdermarkun: I don't remember such details about the MMU really
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13:26:03DD_busyhows the "pimp my pod" thing coming along?
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13:57:00markunamiconn: didn't you have a plugin to benchmark ATA?
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14:03:15Bagderpeople claiming to be from Andorra in the wiki account are suspicious
14:03:37Bagderthey're very rare
14:03:49Bagderand is the first country in the list iirc
14:03:56peturmaybe, but it's a nice place ;)
14:04:05Bagdernever been there myself
14:04:15*petur once
14:04:31BagderAlso, "Ork Lo" sounds like a weird name
14:04:43petur*that* is true :)
14:04:50Bagderaaaan yes
14:04:54Bagderaand even
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14:05:54LinusNi'd better run my wiki cleanup script again
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14:06:25LinusNso many new users, so few write permission requests
14:06:25BagderI sent mr OrkLo back to Andorra
14:06:34peturlucky bastard
14:08:41Genre9mp3Does anyone know of a nice ftp client for Windows?
14:08:59peturleechftp if you can still find it
14:09:17obofilezilla if not
14:09:25Genre9mp3thanks, I'll look for these
14:09:41Bagdercurl! ;-P
14:10:16Kasperlelftp ncftp
14:10:48peturGenre9mp3: petur/">
14:11:12Genre9mp3petur: Thanks nut I've already found it :)
14:11:14*Bagder senses the coffee refill wibe
14:11:38peturok, it's gone again ;)
14:14:52lexi could rockbox my ipod now
14:15:00amiconnWindows already has a full featured gui ftp client built in
14:15:03lexbut then i can't watch any simpsons
14:15:14amiconn...and a commandline ftp as well
14:15:44LinusNamiconn: it has a fullt-featured gui ftp client?
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14:16:53Genre9mp3amiconn: I know, but for some reason I cannot connect to my ftp server so I wanted to try an alternative (unfortunately with no success)
14:17:17amiconnLinusN: Yes. Internet explorer is a full ftp client
14:17:33Genre9mp3Yes... I used IE until now
14:17:35LinusNhow do you upload?
14:17:42Genre9mp3drag and drop
14:17:47LinusN(never tried to use it)
14:17:52amiconnDrag and drop or copy & paste
14:18:08LinusNnever occurred to me - i learned something today
14:18:32amiconnSame way as you copy/move file in windows explorer
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14:24:20markunamiconn: overlooked my question?
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14:30:49amiconnmarkun: Yes, I have a rather simple test plugin.
14:31:16markunamiconn: could you send it to me?
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14:32:04amiconnIt just opens a file (name & path is hardcoded), and reads it aligned and unaligned, measuring the read time
14:32:18PellojHow does rockbox affect the sound of my music? It might be my imagination but it seems rather less bassy.
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14:32:55amiconnI was even too lazy to rename everything properly...
14:33:01markunamiconn: thanks
14:33:05amiconnThis is what I used at devocon
14:34:16BagderPelloj: on what target?
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14:35:08PellojI'm sorry −− target?
14:35:13Pellojoh, iPod 4G.
14:35:54Bagderthen I'd assume they should sound pretty similar
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14:47:37preglowwhat, slasheri's gotten an ipod? :>
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14:48:54*Bagder hears mumbling about someone else getting a 5.5 too...
14:49:29BagderI think its the chance to get it pimped that speeds this up ;-)
14:49:52preglowit's got special pimping facilities?
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14:50:02*petur just wants a 80GB disk to fit in his h340
14:50:20preglowthe idiot in me also wants one
14:50:26preglow80 gigs and a nice screen
14:50:47preglowunfortunately, the idiot in me is all too prevalent
14:50:52peturgigabeat F40 + 80GB disk?
14:51:08preglowhmm, no portalplayer...
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14:56:32markunpreglow: you have to be quick, the prices will sky-rocket when the port is done.. :)
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14:59:27Pellojare there any DAPs with a >80gb hdd?
14:59:47LinusNonly pimped archos players
14:59:54BagderPelloj: sure, if you get one with 2.5" hdd
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15:02:50markunno word yet on the 1.8" 120GB drive by Seagate
15:03:07*petur reads that again
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15:07:35*petur wonders how to name a h340 with 120GB disk :)
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15:10:08daurn|laptopwhat about 750gb?
15:10:25daurn|laptoph1040? :P
15:10:28peturin 1.8" form?
15:11:37Genre9mp3if you have a magic wand to convert it from 3,5' to 1,8'...
15:13:04bluebrotherI read some time ago iriver planned (but never finished) the h500 series. Maybe they left out the 400 block for disk sizes of 100GiB upwards ;-)
15:13:38Genre9mp3planned (but never finished)???
15:14:34Bagderorklo comes back...
15:14:56bluebrotherIf it that is true I guess they decided it was too big and went for the two-digits models
15:15:17Bagder(as LisLo)
15:15:18peturwhy can wiki users without write access edit their wiki page?
15:16:28LinusNpetur: they can't
15:16:42BagderOrkLo could
15:18:18Bagderbefore I erased him
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15:19:46LinusNBagder: next time let me analyze the page before you delete it
15:20:12Bagderthis user seems to be persistent so I bet he'll come back
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15:23:43peturthere's something strange with the scrollbar on my h340: as I navigate up/down the tree, some dirs have no scrollbar even with a lot of subdirs. And the ones with missing scrollbar vary if I go up or down the tree
15:25:02*amiconn wants an 8GB MMC
15:26:06amiconnHow come one manufacturer annouced them in July (Samsung), and another one already lists them on their site (Microdia), but no shop seems to have them available?
15:26:51Bagderbecause not many things use MMC these days?
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15:28:30amiconnPerhaps I should ask Microdia directly...
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15:46:55urchinhi there
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15:48:20urchinneed some help with a mini 2g install of rockbox, if anybody would be so kind
15:48:56n1surchin: I don't have an ipod but maybe I can help, what's the problem?
15:49:15urchinbasically it keeps rebooting even though it is not plugged into anything
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15:49:39n1swithout, you touching anything?
15:50:01urchinyup, it seems to go into USB mode and the it reboots
15:50:58n1stry holding menu+select for a wjile to see if it powers down
15:51:48urchinit does reboot when pressing menu+select, however it enters a reboot cycle just after
15:52:30n1sand this started happening when you installed the rockbox bootloader and was working fine before?
15:52:36urchinso I end up having to load the orginal firmware using "menu"
15:53:01urchinyes, and the apple firmware still works fine
15:53:18n1sdoes, the rockbox bootloader print any messages?
15:53:27n1salso did you install rockbox?
15:54:09urchinthe bootloader prints various messages (ipod model, serial no...) and then passes the control to rockbox, so it seems. Then rockbox displays a picture of an USB cable and reboots
15:54:53urchinit displays "partition, model, checksum"
15:55:12urchinby installing you mean unzipping a build to the root folder of the ipod?
15:55:39urchinyes, i did copy a file and a folder (.rockbox)
15:55:45n1sseems to be some sort of hardware irregularity then
15:56:11urchincould be
15:56:20amiconnurchin: Do you have a charger connected?
15:56:28urchinno, nothing is plugged in
15:56:56urchinbut my ipod always behaved a little strangely (altough it works), so it could be a HW problem
15:57:42amiconnSlasheri: Strange solution... and an unnecessary function in ata.c for other targets than ipod :/
15:59:16amiconn(and btw, you should call_ata_idle_notifys(true) in order to make sure things are saved for real
15:59:44amiconnIn fact the function in ata.c is completely unnecessary
16:00:56amiconn...and even slightly dangerous
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16:42:50diozwill the mp3s i have currently on my ipod... will their modified id3 tags and file names cause fux with rockbox ? um
16:43:01diozand by fux i mean drama
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16:52:03peturdioz: filenames don't matter if you enable the database function of rockbox. Modified tags, I don't know. Rockbox (in database mode) uses those tags
16:52:49diozand with added graphics and added color to the gui does it eat on battery life more-so ?
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16:52:57diozi would assume obviously
16:53:09diozbut i was wondering if there's a major difference
16:53:47n1sthe difference is pretty small i would say
16:55:07peturgfx/color don't matter so much, but rockbox on ipod still uses more battery than the original firmware. No fix for that in sight I'm affraid
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16:56:22diozis there a backlight dimmer for the lcd
16:57:12peturno idea, don't have ipod...
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17:00:47diozweird weird
17:00:47diozi bet it uses quite a bit more battery
17:00:47diozwithout having an index file
17:00:47DBUGEnqueued KICK dioz
17:00:47diozi bet it's also a bunch harder on the mechanics considering it isn't solid state and always having to spin up/down the hdd for file seeking (specially on random)
17:00:47diozi wanna test it
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17:01:42peturrockbox has directory and tag caching to reduce disk spinning
17:01:57diozgod dammit
17:02:01diozit there a features list somewhere ?
17:02:22diozjust the faqs
17:02:31Bagderand the manual of course
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17:03:36*petur notices could use some more features
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17:17:07*petur wonders if fm-radio automatic boost/unboost was ever implemented/committed
17:20:57peturrun fm radio in idle freq and boost/unboost on keypresses (when scanning)
17:24:05diozno line-in support
17:24:27diozi have an adaptor for my ipod photo so i can have a microphone to record lectures and shit
17:24:37peturso many nice supported players and you had to pick out an ipod :p
17:25:08peturmy iriver h340 has line-in plug and build-in mic
17:25:28peturno extra $$$ for all those stupid adapters :)
17:26:18jhMikeSWhat's the big hurdle on adding recording to iPod, if any?
17:26:35peturlinuxstb had a patch but you broke it :)
17:26:56jhMikeSCould unbreak it I suppose
17:29:05jhMikeSIt didn't appear to need _too_ much. The encoders should be compatible with little endian. Suppose I could update it.
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17:29:58diozpetur, cause i like walkin into a joint flossin my 12inch ibook and my 60gb ipod
17:30:02diozit makes me feel special
17:30:33rasherYou're what's wrong with this world.
17:30:33jhMikeSI just can't really evaluate any samplerate switching w/o a device. That's the big thing.
17:32:00diozi need a smoke
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17:32:20peturaha, you've got more than one problem :p
17:35:03diozand i was kidding about the ibook
17:35:11diozthe ipod was an impusle purchase
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17:45:29webguest60why cant i see sansa boot in daily and CVS ? can damage our player ?
17:46:14peturnot ready for the public
17:46:31webguest60thank you support is still not 100% :( sometimes it rejects tracks... must keep the log next time
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17:52:08peturheh.. scrollbar availability toggles on/off with each step down into the tree. very weird
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17:58:25n1spetur: Works fine here on a build from 1122
17:58:54peturmust check at home...
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18:02:48n1spetur: it seems a new build messed with my settings, at least some were changed when I updated but some were left, maybe someone forgot to update the settings version?
18:04:27peturnope - just reset them and it's the same (after loading cfg that is)
18:05:44peturhmm. with std settings the dirs that didn't have a scrollbar don't need one with the tiny font...
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18:07:01peturargh - my fault...
18:08:01*petur thought that dir had more subdirs but they all just fit in the screen
18:08:25n1syay hard crash
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18:10:06n1syay again!
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18:12:00n1syay reproducible ;-)
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18:15:01n1sanyone with an h300 want to reproduce a crash?
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18:19:36diozwith the install manual for the ipod photo
18:19:52diozto open a run dialog box it says Start>Execute
18:20:08diozunder windows
18:20:32diozi WISH it said execute
18:20:50diozi'd type names in there all the time and click okay... sit at home and pray it came to past
18:20:59rasherI'll fix
18:22:28lowlightn1s: don't have an h300, but what's the crash?
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18:23:10n1sset show path to current and select the ter-32n (that's the one i tried) font and back out of the screen with left bam.
18:26:13n1sadded task to tracker gotta run
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18:31:13lowlightn1s: by chance do you have an LCD remote?
18:31:42n1slowlight: nope
18:32:26n1slowlight: did it crash for you?
18:32:42lowlightit's reproducible in the sim
18:33:20lowlightI know there's a problem when you try to draw a list with a title and the screen can only display 1 line
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18:38:37lowlightAre the gui functions executed from the remote screen even if a remote is not plugged in?
18:39:29LearI think so. Check the FOR_NB_SCREEN macros (or whatever it is called).
18:42:09diozwhere do i go to browse through directories and shit ?
18:42:15lowlightyeah, it just loops the possible number of screens regardless of whether the remote is plugged in.
18:42:19diozi see all my un-hidden
18:43:22lowlightGeneral settings > File view > show files
18:46:15kubiixI am looking for somebody to help me with syncing some patches, thanx
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18:49:36lowlightShouldn't the remote "screen" only be initialized when i't plugged in?
18:51:43lowlightkubiix: patch syncing is usually left to the patch creator
18:52:17diozoh weird
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18:52:27diozif you cache folders/files it takes a while to update
18:52:35kubiixlowlight: i know, but he doesn't have time for it now
18:52:35diozi was getting angry wondering why i couldn't se ehidden files
18:52:40diozguess i need to chill out
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18:55:50lowlightkubiix: then you probably need to do it manually
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18:55:59PaulPositionkubiix - what patches?
18:58:30diozwith rockbox now running
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18:58:42diozcan i boot into normal apple firmware ?
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19:00:22kubiixPaulPosition: pijulius patches for proper displaying of jClix theme
19:00:39PaulPositiondioz -
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19:01:51PaulPositionkubiix - for what target?
19:02:10kubiixiPod color / video
19:02:45lowlightiirc that had A LOT of patches
19:03:37diozwow simple
19:03:56PaulPositionkubiix - Maxwen has a complete page with re-worked patches syncing (I think) with the 20th of nov... He's building for the X5, but the "pijulius" patches he uses allowed me to build for the H10 so you may want to have a look... :
19:04:24PaulPosition(Of course you don't want the X5-specific patches)
19:04:32kubiixPaulPosition: thanx, i will check it
19:05:15PaulPositionyour welcome
19:06:16kubiixPaulPosition: btw where should I start if I want to understand the rockbox sources ? mainly the GUI functions
19:07:36PaulPositionkubiix - "Understanding" is way over my head. :( I guess the "How to make a plugin" wiki page is the best place to start doing something and you could work from that..
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19:08:19kubiixPaulPosition: I mean where to start in the sources
19:08:35PaulPositionKubiix - Also... About Maxwen's build, you should note one thing : he uses an older bmp.c file than the current cvs one... If you give me a second, I'll try to find which eactly..
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19:09:55kubiixPaulPosition: I know the bmp.c was completely reworked
19:11:34PaulPositionIndeed - But not the patches, or not enough anyway. So to build, maxwen used bmp.c version 1.28 (we're now into 1.35 I think)... The patches on his site should apply cleanly, thus, if you replace that one file.
19:12:44PaulPositionIf you get it working, I'm sure he'd like a "hey!, it works" :)
19:13:26PaulPositionAs for where to begin to understand, I'm not the one to ask.. I can't code anything over 100 lines as I have too short an attention span. :p
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19:14:13Genre9mp3kapellas: with what?
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19:16:12christhegreekHelp guys
19:16:34christhegreekWhen i use the ipodpatcher program it giving me this message: Error reading from disk: ? ܱ-ڱ? - ??ܸ?.
19:16:35netmasta10btwho should I bug for a Sansa e200 series WPS section on rockbox-themes?
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19:17:29lowlightkubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui
19:17:42christhegreekhelp MAN
19:17:42netmasta10btchristhegreek: sounds like you should run a chkdsk or something
19:17:50PaulPositionnetmasta - Isn't that premature or has the e200 port made great strides in the last few days?
19:17:50christhegreekfor my ipod?
19:17:55Genre9mp3christhegreek: Sorry but I don't have an iPod and I cannot understand that error message
19:18:16Genre9mp3try typing it than copy-paste
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19:18:36christhegreekneither i understand it
19:18:53christhegreek[INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive1
19:18:53christhegreek Error reading from disk: ? ܱ-ڱ? - ??ܸ?.
19:19:34christhegreekat the end it giving me mabojambo
19:20:18PaulPositionHow's the disk formatted as? fat32? (I know nothing of the ipods, just throwing ideas..)
19:20:43christhegreekthe explorer says that is fat32
19:21:09netmasta10btPaulPosition: it maybe premature, but theres a gigabeat section, and rockbox doesnt run there yet −− and I'll have a couple to add here shortly
19:21:31christhegreekmy ipod when i connect it to my pc says a message don't disconnect
19:21:38christhegreekIs that right?
19:22:14PaulPositionnetmasta10bt - Cool, didn't see the gigabeat page.. Maybe try to pester Badger then, but I'm unsure (I think he rules the forum, but what about other parts of the site...)
19:22:39christhegreeki have tha ipod video
19:22:46netmasta10btPaulPosition: ok −− i just sent a email to −− thx
19:22:48christhegreek80 gbytes
19:22:58Genre9mp3christhegreek: Ah.. .that's why
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19:23:29PaulPositionnetmasta - Oh the rockbox-themes page, not the WPS gallery from the wiki? Sorry I didn't understand you.. :blush:
19:23:32Genre9mp3christhegreek: you have an iPod 5.5g 80GB, this is not supported on Rockbox
19:23:54PaulPositionnot (yet) supported anyway
19:24:47christhegreekis there any way to use the old explorer like style at my ipod
19:25:01christhegreekbecause the itunes it giving me to the nerves
19:25:03XavierGr except Rockbox, I don't think so
19:25:18XavierGrunfortunately you will have to wait for a port
19:25:35christhegreekthank you very much.
19:25:39PaulPositionMaybe have a look at ipodlinux but I doubt they progressed much more than rockbox dev. on the 5.5gen front...
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19:27:54PaulPositionSo, do you guys reckon that porting to e200 and other PP-based daps might bring some more techies into the quest of optimizing that chipset (I wish!)?
19:27:55lowlightRead today's log, Shasheri got 30GB 5.5g ipod today, so maybe there will be more progress now
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19:30:14dan_aPaulPosition: Yes, probably. There's a good chance we'll learn different things from each target which will apply more generally.
19:30:49PaulPositionCool. :) Wish I knew how to help, or had a thousand dollars to spend bricking players testing stuff for you crazy guys. ;)
19:31:40kubiixPaulPosition: and do you know someone who can introduce me to the sources ?
19:31:51dan_aPaulPosition: I've not bricked a player yet, and that includes writing random data to peripherals to see what will happen
19:32:16PaulPosition<lowlight> kubiix: the main gui functions are in apps/gui
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19:33:41PaulPositiondan_a - Really? Reading barry's blurb about (no)dualboot on the H10 I was under the impression that'd be dangerous play indeed.. Happy to know it's not. :)
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19:34:46dan_aTesting bootloaders can be dangerous - it depends on the player
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19:35:12PaulPositionCertainly the first few things you had to get rolling on the sansa was a bootloader?
19:35:56Life^would it be possible to get the Plasma thing from rockbox as a windows screensaver/executable?
19:36:00dan_aAh, but our 'bootloader' appears like a firmware to the Sansa - we don't touch the Sansa's own bootloader
19:36:44PaulPositionOkay... Works about the same on the h10 I *think*..
19:38:51PaulPositiondan - Anyway, thanks for the comforting you provided :D
19:45:51peturLife^: the source of that plugin is available, but remember it's GPL licenced. Maybe better to search for an existing screensaver...
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19:58:13Nimdaemahna mahna
19:59:02lowlightn1s: I put a patch on the tracker for that bug.
19:59:16n1s I'll checl it out
19:59:27n1scheck it out even :-)
19:59:55lowlightworks on the sim, but try it on your h300
20:00:19lowlightit's not exclusive to the h300 series
20:00:42*lowlight heads to meeting *yawn*
20:01:19Nimdaei can't reach
20:01:22*Nimdae pouts
20:02:45Nimdaetrace dies on sprintlink
20:03:34n1slowlight: works nicely :-)
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20:04:52Nimdaekermit can reach rockbox, i'll access it through there :)
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20:21:29Gnelikdan_a: Hi Dan!
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20:32:09dan_aHi Gnelik
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20:32:43Gnelikdan_a: no progress??
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20:33:41dan_aNo, I'm trying to get something working on the 3G iPod, but I can't do it :(
20:34:30*petur gets delay-triggered by a couple of pink cows
20:39:31Gnelikdan_a: What is something???
20:40:39dan_acache flush and cache invalidate, so that I can play around with using the 2nd core, in the hope of making audio skip less
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20:48:38Jaelaetime to take the plunge into rockboxium
20:49:46Gnelikdan_a: Rockbox hangs up on load when USB is inserted
20:50:45Jaelaeany recommendations for a program that keeps music libraries up to date? e.g. the new windows media player 11 keeps tracks linked up to albums properly by the right name and attachs album covers to it
20:50:47dan_aGnelik: I know. I've not worked out why yet. If you want to get rid of that, then revert the USB detection change.
20:50:52Jaelaejust not sure if there is something better out there
20:51:56dan_aGnelik: I think I'll get it to boot into OF when the USB is detected, the same way that the iPods do
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20:54:10Gnelikdan_a: Shood i do it in my Bl to??
20:55:19GnelikShood = should
20:58:17dan_aGnelik: No, this is in the main Rockbox, not the BL.
20:59:18peturJaelae: there's some stuff here:
21:00:16Davide-NYCwhere is the best place to look for sansa status?
21:00:25diozyou guys should write an addon that will let me plug a USB SIM read/writer and dump images
21:00:44diozmy hand held only can do 16 images
21:01:05Davide-NYCI think you speak of USBOTG? No?
21:01:17n1sdoiz: the source is open, start hacking!
21:01:23diozhah i know
21:01:47diozi was kidding anyways
21:01:48Davide-NYCIs there a place to check for updates to the status of the sansa port?
21:01:51dan_aDavide-NYC: I think the Sansa thread is pretty much up-to-date. The firmware is coming along nicely, but is still a long way off
21:02:09Davide-NYC29 pages. Urghh
21:02:20*Davide-NYC off to read a messy thread
21:02:24dan_a29 pages, but the updates are at the end!
21:02:34*Davide-NYC will read backwards
21:02:42PaulPositionDavid - You should go read it the NASA way, 29, 28, 27 ... stop when you have had enough.. ;-)
21:03:30dan_aRockbox boots, scroll wheel doesn't work, audio doesn't work, USB doesn't work, plugins work as long as they don't require the scroll wheel
21:03:50GnelikBacklight dont works
21:04:26Davide-NYCI'm already done
21:04:45Davide-NYCpresumed the worse... didn;t happen that way here's the meaty bit:
21:04:55Davide-NYCthanks dan_a
21:05:05Jaelaety peteur
21:05:17dan_aYou're welcome
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21:06:03dan_aI'm working on getting dual boot right at the moment - it works with some hacks.
21:06:26Davide-NYCI don;t have a sansa, but would be in the market for a non-apple flash player for the gym
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21:06:42Davide-NYCthe sansa 8GB looks like it
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21:07:03PaulPositionSansa seems a nice flashbased dap indeed...
21:07:23PaulPositionA friend just bought two of 'em on swaybay..
21:07:32dan_aThey are nice, and look gorgeous. They're pretty heavy
21:07:48Davide-NYCheavy = goog?
21:08:33Davide-NYCI like heavy, but am underwhelmed by the thickness (a tad too thick) but I'm not buying a nano
21:08:43Davide-NYCwell, maybe not
21:08:52Davide-NYCdependig on RB support
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21:09:23dan_aIt feels sturdy to me, but it's all down to personal preference
21:09:47Davide-NYCdan_a: write support?
21:10:11Davide-NYCas of 9 days ago not, but a lot can happen in 9 days
21:10:26dan_aWriting seems to work - but it's not had a huge amount of testing
21:12:55Davide-NYCI will probably buy one the minute RB gives sound. At that point I'll do a lot of testing. But at that point it'll be less critical. :-(
21:16:34Davide-NYCQuestion: I see that the sansa has a microphone and allows for voice recording. Does it have a line in buried in the proprietary connector?
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21:18:22Davide-NYCApparently not according to cnet, but you never know until you ask a nitty-gritty hardware person.
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21:30:23Bonusbartussomeone here who could help me?
21:30:41hcs124 people who might, best to just ask.
21:31:43BonusbartusI need to send my Iriver h340 back to iriver because my battery is empty very fast(2 hours) I bought it in march 2006, so it would be a warranty case if I hadn't rockboxed my player
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21:32:25BonusbartusWhat do I need to do (using windows xp) to remove all traces of rockbox?
21:32:36preglowdelete the rockbox folder, then reflash to original firmware
21:32:46preglowmake sure you empty all garbage bins and stuff like that
21:33:00webguest99petur: ping
21:33:20Bonusbartushmm I read on the forum that that would leave the rockbox settings...
21:33:37webguest99petur: you are watched by KGB. Have you looked at the pitch screen patches?
21:34:05peturwebguest99: not yet, real life overflow atm... later perhaps
21:34:18peturjust keep nagging ;)
21:34:33webguest99petur: ok, relax, I have other targets in the UK :-)
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21:34:45n1sBonusbartus: flash an unmodified firmware and delete rockbox from the harddisk, and yes the settings will still be there but can be whiped with special tools
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21:35:17LarsieBonusbarus: I read your question in the logs, don't do it!
21:35:28LarsieI lost my H320 by RMA'ing it
21:35:44Bonusbartusalready did that, only those settings remain, what tool can I use?
21:35:45Larsiethey will send you a refund or a H10 in return :(
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21:36:16Bonusbartuslarsie: not a problem, they still sell h340's in europe, I phoned them
21:36:16Larsieyou can get replacement batteries very cheap on ebay
21:36:24Larsiethey do?
21:36:42Larsiebut no H320 or something?
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21:37:22webguest38french parliament will go linux ant ! Go peguin !
21:37:29BonusbartusI bought mine march this year, I phoned them if it was the se or the normal h340 and they said it was the se, so I ordered a remote with it... I got the h340 with docking station 2 remotes battery pack and so on...
21:37:40Bonusbartusbut no they don't have H320's
21:38:46n1sBonusbartus: <amiconn> (1) check for config sector: dd if=/your/iaudio_dev of=config.bin skip=61 count=1
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21:38:55n1s 19.55.46 # <amiconn> Then open this in a hex editor. It should start with "Roc"
21:39:00Larsieit has cost me around 200 euro's in total because of the *not* replacing
21:39:17n1s <amiconn> If you're sure this is your config sector, then overwrite it:
21:39:19n1s <amiconn> dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1
21:39:41Bonusbartusbut I don't know if it is the battery, when I don't plug my player in the ac and connect it to my pc it shuts down after a few minutes when I'm transferring something... then looks like battery is empty but after5 minutes it just starts saying battery is half full
21:39:58Bonusbartusnls: but that is a linux command isn't it?
21:40:03LarsieI paid 300 euro's for it in the first place, I got a refund of 250. I had to buy another product from that same store from it
21:40:07Larsiesold that one
21:40:11amiconnn1s: Stop triggering me! ;)
21:40:19n1ssorry :-)
21:40:25Larsieand eventually bought a sansa
21:40:35n1sBonusbartus: yes, linux
21:40:37LarsieI miss my H320 I still do :(
21:40:41amiconnBonusbartus: There are windows implementations of 'dd' available
21:40:43BonusbartusI bought it at Iriver online shop
21:41:00Bonusbartusamicon: any idea where? what it's called?
21:41:15Larsiestrange, I believe I RMA'ed mine in April
21:41:50Larsieso not much later, they could've at least offered me the option to pay a bit more ande send back a H340 :(
21:41:57Bonusbartuswell, they just don't have h320's anymore... what was wrong with your player?
21:42:11LarsieHDD crashed :(
21:42:12Bonusbartusthanx ;)
21:42:16amiconnJust googling for "dd windows" told me...
21:42:20Larsiereaderrors all over the place
21:42:40amiconnThe device names are somewhat cryptic under windows, but this dd can list them
21:42:59Bonusbartusamicon: shure this leaves no traces of rockbox? and I only need to delete one sector?
21:43:43LarsieI could try to convince Iriver to send me a H340, since the shop paid me a refund not iriver :X
21:44:18Bonusbartuslarsie: you could try...
21:44:41Larsieyeah indeed, I don't think I will succeed. But I'll give it a shot :)
21:45:18Slasherihmm, probably ipod can't be charged without rockbox running or disk mode active
21:45:22BonusbartusI must say I never got problems with iriver, they repaired the remote of my old h120 3 times :P
21:46:40hcsSlasheri: my ipod photo charges fine in disk mode
21:46:56Slasherihcs: but without disk spinning?
21:47:14Slasherii am just planning going sleep and leaving the ipod charging :)
21:47:26LarsieSome people there are really nice indeed, I've read about some bricked H340's a long while ago. The guy told exactly what he had done. The helpdesk told him just to not mention it and send in his H340 :')
21:47:46hcsSlasheri: yeah, if you explicitly boot it in disk mode, you can plug it into the charger
21:48:18Slasherihmm.. but i have only the usb cable :)
21:48:35Slasherimaybe i will just leave rockbox running and connect the cable while holding menu
21:48:45hcsthat will likely not charge
21:48:55hcsif you connect it and then do an eject...
21:48:55Slasherireally? :/
21:49:12Slasheribut if i hold down menu, disk will not spin up..
21:49:13BonusbartusLarsie: they changed some things at Iriver, they mention rockbox as a case wich voids warranty so I think they test if it was installed...
21:49:20hcsyeah, at least with my photo I've never observed any significant charging
21:49:26hcswithin rockbox
21:49:40Slasheriah, weird
21:49:49Slasheriand i can't run the original fw either
21:49:58amiconnhcs, Slasheri: The ipod _does_ charge in rockbox, but only slowly
21:50:04Slasherimaybe i will just try..
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21:50:16hcsdisk mode should be fine for charging
21:50:17Slasheriamiconn: so it does not draw full power from the port?
21:50:41Slasherihcs: but that wears the drive if it's left constantly spinning..
21:50:46amiconnIf you use it while charging, it might even discharge depending on your usage pattern
21:51:05n1sSlasheri: couldn't you just use an extension usb cord and kill the data lines in it and then connect the ipod cable to the computer through that?
21:51:16amiconnSlasheri: Btw, did you seem my comments regarding your shutdown-before-usb?
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21:51:21LarsieBonusbartus: yeah I knew that, I did miraccily succeed in putting back the original FW
21:51:30hcsSlasheri: is the disk always spinning in disk mode, even when not connected?
21:51:43Slasheriamiconn: yes, i will fix that later. btw, how did you mean it might be dangerous?
21:51:52Larsiequite a nervous moment because the disk was making all kind of clicking noises :P
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21:52:14Slasherin1s: hmm, that might do it :)
21:52:24webguest38linuxtoday was for dd command witha live cd
21:52:24amiconnSlasheri: Ata power should only be controlled from the ata thread. Your extra function doesn't do that
21:52:26Slasherihcs: currently i am forced to connect
21:52:34Slasherii don't have a separate charging cable
21:52:45hcsSlasheri: do an eject, it'll still get power
21:52:47Slasheriamiconn: it can't do that
21:53:01Slasheriamiconn: ata thread is blocked waiting usb disconnect event
21:53:17Slasheriamiconn: and i checked the command used semaphores
21:54:26amiconnSlasheri: How I would do it: (1) Call call_ata_idle_notifys(true) (2) Call ata_sleep() (3) wait until disk has gone to sleep instead of just waiting 2 seconds, which might be either too short or unnecessarily long
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21:54:50Slasheriamiconn: it will never go sleep by calling ata_sleep
21:54:52amiconnHmm, if ata is blocked, how does flushing the config before usb work then?
21:54:55Slasheribecause the thread is blocked
21:55:15amiconnIt should only be blocked _after_ accepting usb
21:55:16Slasherijust a moment, i will double-check
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21:55:45amiconn...and usb accept results from SYS_USB_CONNECTED, which in turn is sent from the usb thread iirc
21:56:04amiconnSo if you do the housekeeping _before_ sending that event, nothing should be blocked
21:56:53amiconnMultithreading is good for headaches, I know... :/
21:57:00Slasheriamiconn: yep, true. but at least it's too late in the function usb_enable in usb-ipod.c
21:57:12Slasherimaybe in other place it _might_ be possible
21:57:39amiconnI guess other targets might have the same problem
21:58:05amiconnBtw, I don't get the emergency park click if the disk is spun down while connecting usb
21:58:16Slasheriat least irivers have not that issue because power is not cut from the disk when entering usb mode
21:58:34amiconnIt happens only when plugging usb while the disk is spinning
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21:59:05Slasheriyep, or plugging usb when ipod is powered off
21:59:21amiconn...and unfortunately that happens when usb is plugged at boot: Rockbox boots, sees that usb is connected and immediately triggers the diskmode reboot
21:59:59Slasheribut now need to go sleeping ->
22:00:16amiconnWhy does the ipod cut hd power when rebooting to diskmode?
22:00:56amiconnIs that an unintentional action in rockbox, or caused by the rom diskmode itself?
22:01:08Slasherii have no idea, probably caused by the diskmode
22:01:18Slasheriat least rockbox does not do that intentionally
22:01:47Bonusbartusamicon: could you explain what "dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1" exactly does?
22:01:59Bonusbartuswhat is if and what is of?
22:02:22n1sinput and output
22:02:29amiconnif == infile (source), of == outfile (destination)
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22:03:34Bonusbartusand what does it do "/dev/zero" fil sectors on of"iriver" with zeros?
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22:04:31Bonusbartusso /dev/zero just means ... zero :P
22:04:39amiconnWindows probably doesn't have /dev/zero, so you need a different source
22:04:55rasherI think the equivalent is NUL
22:05:07rasheror not
22:05:15Bonusbartusyes it does, when i use that build in list option it tells me virtual devices : dev/zero and dev/random
22:05:15amiconnrasher: No, that would be the equivalent of /dev/null
22:05:25rasheroh of course
22:05:56Xerion_hmm seems nobody ever fixed the cause of log not loging first played song
22:06:10Xerion_makes me miss lots of plays :P
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22:06:25Bonusbartusbut I suppose could use that, after that, do I have to do something else? or doesnt the player "notice"this?
22:06:51JaelaeDIE ITUNES!
22:08:18amiconnXerion_: Guess why it's called ;)
22:09:29peturthere's more stuff to check re support: they complain about the submit of some songs...
22:09:46peturmust keep the log next time...
22:10:09Xerion_haven't had that problem yet
22:10:17obopetur: one of the warnings on your own page?
22:10:38obothe bad tags one?
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22:10:57Xerion_i was searching for before :p
22:11:14oboyeah, I didn't want to make your life easy :p
22:11:22peturobo: no, about some songs overlapping I think
22:11:35obooh, the spam protection...
22:11:40PaulPositionpetur - Well that's spam protection..
22:11:52Jaelaefyi - itunes and windows media center do not mix
22:12:02amiconnTo be honest I wouldn't know. I never used that feature and don't intend to either
22:12:03peturbut I wasn't spamming them, the output was unaltered from my h340
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22:12:35Xerion_H140 doesn't have an RTC so my times are faked anyway, never overlap ;)
22:12:41obohow recently had you used submitted from a PC?
22:12:43PaulPositionpetur - Error message is pretty clear, no? You can't regiter a song from earlier than the last song you registered into So if you ever listen to something on your computer before unloading the log on your DAP you're f*cked.
22:13:05Xerion_yeah that doesn't work
22:13:17*obo hopes that the upcoming protocol 1.2 will allow earlier submissions
22:13:24Xerion_although I had it work sometimes anyway, shouldn't tho
22:13:54peturthe h340 is my only contribution source (but my squeezebox2 is on its way from repair :) )
22:14:06*PaulPosition wishes that it'll still keep a watchfull eye on real spamming.. I fear the monstrous logs some kids will submit to become @top fans@ or whatnot..
22:14:27Xerion_now I always run the submission script when I get home, and if I forget I just do it next morning when I first get up or so
22:14:30*petur is topfan without spamming :)
22:14:38oboyou should have seen it in the early days... some clients would go a bit mad and submit thousands of identical tracks...
22:14:51Xerion_the itunes bug ;)
22:15:23PaulPositionobo - heh.. ouch.
22:15:25oboI seems to remember at least 1 global reset as well..
22:15:36Xerion_I don't get to be topfan of anything but very obscure artists
22:15:47Xerion_I just have too many plays in total spread over too many artists
22:15:59Xerion_but the top fans stuff has always been broken anyway
22:16:16ExploderAudioslave rocks!!!
22:16:39Xerion_I remember when the charts were still updated on every submission :P
22:16:47PaulPositionI never even looked if I was top fan of anything.. But I wish I could have some client that would build playlists for me out of database, bit like Amarok does on linux...
22:16:52Xerion_became very slow and not working of course
22:16:57PaulPositionThen I'd have nice folders to shuffle..\
22:18:12PaulPositionXerion - They updated on every submission? Jeez... Actually, though, with half the crowd being there for the image-generation I guess it's still, finally, updating on most submissions behind the scen...
22:18:40Xerion_the images don't get updated often enough
22:18:47Xerion_I was trying something with it myself
22:18:49PaulPositionnevermind, only lastplayed gets updated..
22:19:19Xerion_even the recenttracks image is only updated soemtimes, makes it rather useless imo
22:19:31Bonusbartusamicon: hmm should I copy to the \dev\harddiskn, or \dev\harddiskn\partionn?
22:19:42netmasta10bti uploaded a sansa theme to
22:20:19*dan_a tries it
22:20:36Xerion_sansa seems popular lately :P
22:20:52dan_anetmasta10bt: It's not showing up
22:21:11netmasta10btyeah −− i guess someone has to do something to show it
22:21:33netmasta10bti'll make a linky 1sec
22:21:56PaulPositionXerion - Newest fad syndrome ;) Seems a great player though.
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22:22:45dan_aXerion_: We've been making a bit of progress on the port, so people are getting interested.
22:25:08netmasta10btnothing exciting −− but a bit better than regular −− its a converted nano theme
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22:25:47netmasta10bti'm working on another conversion thats a bit prettier
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22:27:22dan_aIt's nice to have something other than the default to play with - and it shows that the LCD flickers a bit.
22:27:38netmasta10btthe progress bar
22:28:16Bonusbartusamiconn: I think I did it... any way to test if I did it right?
22:28:55dan_aIn the WPS, it flickers quite a lot (due to the LCD driver not being quite right.) I'll see if I can do anything about that.
22:31:32dan_aOooops... doing "reset colors" is a mistake - it's given me black text on a black background!
22:31:35rasherSansa is one of the most downloaded on my prebuilt simulator page
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22:41:13ZetI'm looking to buy myself my first MP3 player for Christmas
22:41:35Zetand I'd like it to be one that is the best possible match with Rockbox
22:42:00Zetand also smallish
22:42:05Zetwhich one would you recommend?
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22:43:04Bagderiaudio x5 perhaps
22:46:54*dan_a runs test_fps on the Sansa, and thinks it gets the record
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22:47:16PaulPositionzet - You looking at a hard-drive or flash-mem based DAP?
22:47:22dan_a47015.5 fps
22:47:46PaulPositionharddrive = much more space... flash = much less susceptible to loosing it all after dropping it on the floor. ;)
22:48:22Zetholy crap, the iAudio is expensive :(
22:48:43Zetand yes, I am quite familiar with the concepts of "hard drive" and "flash memory"
22:48:53PaulPositionWhich is it you're looking for then?
22:49:02Zetnot sure yet
22:49:17Zetit could very well be that I will be looking for neither, as they all look pretty damn expensive :(
22:49:38PaulPositionOkay... I think that's the biggest thing to make a choice...
22:49:42obosecond hand or refurb unit?
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22:50:02Bonusbartusbluebrother: you reacted on my topid in the hardware forum about the remote controll
22:50:21PaulPositionzet - If you look around, you can have great deals on refurbished units... I paid my h10 5gb only 125$ canadian (so around $105 us)
22:50:27bluebrotherthat was some while ago, wasn't it?
22:50:39*Zet looks up "refurbished" in the dictionary
22:50:51bluebrotherI can remember something from a couple of weeks ago
22:50:52Bonusbartusyeah, I searched a bit more and was here a few times, I only need one more thing...
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22:51:12Zetdo you support the iAudio X5L?
22:51:23bluebrotherZet, yes
22:51:40Bonusbartushow does rockbox check which remote is connected
22:51:58PaulPositionzet - Refurbished are players that had small problems or spent way too much time sitting in a box.. Sent back to a factory for verification and (small) fixes and put back on the market..
22:52:03scorcheBagder, bluebrother, anyone else: i got a response
22:52:19bluebrotheryou can see a ADC value change when you connect the remote
22:53:00Bonusbartusyeah I noticed that, I also noticed that it changed when I switch hold on and off, but where is the adc connected to...
22:53:15oboscorche: mr pimp?
22:53:22bluebrotherscorche, wow.
22:53:25scorchehere....let me paste
22:53:29*bluebrother gets impatient
22:53:38scorcheYes, the software we use is RockBox. And the only thing we offer is an installation service with preinstalled skins. The RockBox Software in unchanged, so the original credits and logos of Rockbox are still there where they should be. The user also receives a copy of the license files.
22:53:38scorcheWe do not sell the software, only the installation service.
22:53:38scorcheAlso the skins are unchanged, just like they has been published for public use.
22:53:47Zetare the Creative Zens any good?
22:54:13bluebrotherZet, I don't know but if you intend to run Rockbox, they aren't supported yet.
22:54:17PaulPositionZet - They ain't bad but aren't rockbox-able.
22:54:20Zetoh yeah
22:54:38scorchehe seems to have forgotten about telling me it was his software that he wrote, the GPL issue, and thinks that just because the "skins" are unchanged, it makes it ok
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22:54:56Zetthe FAQs don't really say _why_ you don't support the iPod Nano 2nd gen. what so different about it?
22:55:06scorcheZet: pretty much everything
22:55:13scorchethe hardware is vastly different
22:55:22oboplus the firmware is encrypted
22:55:34PaulPositionso was the H10's no?
22:55:59scorchePaulPosition: they used very similar hardware to the ipod minis
22:56:02ZetI see
22:56:28Bagderbut yes, the h10 and sansa firmwares are encrypted
22:56:34BonusbartusI thought that the adc was connected to the hold button, so I soldered it loose and checked what the resistor value between the "hold"cable and the digital ground
22:56:44bluebrotherscorche, so that's all re replied?
22:57:06scorchebluebrother: well, i took out the C YA at the bottom
22:57:31bluebrotherI looked at the website you mentioned on the forum thread earlier today. Doesn't make a good impression on me either.
22:57:43Bonusbartusbluebrother: then connected a resistor of the same value between the loose hols cable and the ground, but rockbox didn't detect the remote correctly
22:57:51scorcheblue_lizard: his gaming site?
22:57:57scorcheerrr....damn auto-complete
22:58:00Zethmm, I found a 1st Gen Nano in an online auction starting at 120 euros
22:58:12Zet2 GB
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22:58:24PaulPositionThat's a lot of money for a 2gb unit, no?
22:58:24bluebrotheryeah, that game-something-site
22:58:25hcsyou can get refurbished ones from apple for cheap
22:59:29Bonusbartusbluebrother: any idea?
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23:00:54Bonusbartus:X it's the only part Linus left out from his schematics and he didn't remeber what it was :P
23:01:00Zethow does that "refurbished" stuff work? where do I look for one like that?
23:01:06ani-adomwere can i learn who to workwith patchs?
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23:02:22Bonusbartusani-adom, search on the rockbox site, it could be quit a bit of work, working with them...
23:03:21bluebrotherani-adom, there is a wiki page. WorkingWithPatches or similar
23:03:38Bonusbartusthere should it be somewhere
23:03:59ani-adom i need this patch to work. who do apllay it?
23:05:35hcshm, looks like they aren't selling the smaller refurbished nanos there anymore
23:05:48n1sani-adom: but I can tell you right now that it will be a lot more than just aplying it because it is pretty old and the code has changed a lot
23:06:16ani-adomn1s: ammmmmmmmm
23:06:52Zethcs: none of those seem to say which generation they are
23:07:01bluebrotherhuh? Does this loop run even up to 10?
23:07:04bluebrother#define DELAY do { int _x; for(_x=0;_x<10;_x++);} while (0)
23:07:14n1sheh the gl'tterbox site crashed firefox :-)
23:07:25hcsZet: good point, I wouldn't know how to find that out, either
23:07:44bluebrothermy brain is kind of weared out tonight
23:08:04Bonusbartusbluebrother: any Idea where to start searching?
23:08:59hcsZet: you might be able to tell by the quoted battery life, 2gs have somewhat longer
23:09:07bluebrotherI'm right now looking at firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c
23:09:27bluebrotherlooks like the value gets read through i2c via a gpio pin
23:09:41Zetmaybe I'll just get a Walkman and some tapes :)
23:10:01BonusbartusZet: what are you looking for?
23:10:38Zetsomething that a) I can afford and b) I can run with free firmware
23:10:50Zetbut apparently I can't even find anything that satisfied a) alone :)
23:11:01ani-adom"This wps needs backdrop, bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins to work"
23:11:24ani-adomwhere can i get this bitmap progress bar and scrolling margins patch?
23:11:52PaulPositionani-adom - On which target? There most probably is a build somewhere with all those patches applied...
23:12:04Bonusbartusbluebrother: I know what al pins on the remote plug are for, but.... further
23:12:35ani-adomi want it to h300-rmx wps.
23:12:47BonusbartusZet: what do u want, hdd or flash, 1gb 2gb? 6gb? 20, 40, 60,80?
23:13:21PaulPositionani-adom - Have you had a look at the misticriver forums where most if not all H3x0 hang..?
23:13:33Learani-adom: Backdrop and bitmap progress should be in, I think. At least similar functionality is there; the theme might require more...
23:14:12amiconndan_a: [22:47:22] <dan_a> 47015.5 fps <== w0w!
23:14:32amiconnOverclocked to 1GHz, or what? ;)
23:14:37ani-adomPaulPosition: im on it right now..
23:14:39PaulPositionYeah, wish my 'desktop' had graphics fast as that.. :p
23:14:54dan_aamiconn: lcd_update() just kicks off a DMA transfer, so it returns really quickly
23:15:14amiconnIt needs to wait for completion
23:15:14bluebrotherhmm, the remote connector is a digital interface, isn't it?
23:15:38amiconn...or at least the next update must not start before the preceding dma transfer ended
23:15:39peturoh... gl'tter implemented viewports....
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23:17:01amiconnEven then you might run into serious problems
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23:17:17amiconnMost drawing code simply doesn't expect asynchronous updates
23:17:29bluebrotherBonusbartus, I guess that ring on the remote is simply the GND connector
23:17:44amiconnThere might be subsequent changes to the framebuffer which aren't intended to be displayed yet
23:17:58dan_aamiconn: I'm working on it :)
23:18:00Bonusbartusbluebrother: you guessed correct
23:18:34amiconnThere is a reason why my dma-based H300 lcd update busywaits for the dma to complete...
23:18:49bluebrother... which leads me to the assumption there is some adc connected via spi to the iriver
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23:19:58bluebrotherand the adc value gets simply read by adc_scan(ADC_REMOTEDETECT)
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23:20:58bluebrotherah. I was looking at the schematic
23:21:08Bonusbartushow do u get my name colored when typing to me?
23:21:58Bonusbartuswhen u read the adc schematic you see only two connections, adress 0 and 1, the normal buttons(inside layer) and the remote buttons
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23:22:41Bonusbartusadress 2 and 3 are used for(according to the rockbox debug menu) 2, battery, 3, remote_connect
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23:23:26Bonusbartusremote connect is the value I need, but I just can't find anywhere how and what is connected to that adress of the adc
23:23:27bluebrotherI guess it's simply reading some known data register.
23:24:02Bonusbartussounds simple :P, how do I fake that with my home brew remote
23:24:21bluebrotherBonusbartus, your name gets colored when it appears on the current line. Nice thing that most irc clients do
23:24:47Bonusbartusok :)
23:24:55bluebrotherso the buttons are completely a resistor network?
23:26:22bluebrotherhave you tried the BL pin? That could have a measurable pull-up
23:26:48Bonusbartusyep except for the start button, which is a button with one resistor to ground
23:27:26bluebrotherthe remote generates a different value when hold is enabled.
23:27:47Bonusbartusyeah I already said that :P, but ...
23:28:15Zetmaybe I'll have to look into this again once I've completed my civilian service
23:28:24BonusbartusI measured the resistor value between hold pin and digital ground
23:28:41Zetmy allowance just won't be enough for an MP3 player, it seems :/
23:29:02dan_aZet: What is your budget?
23:29:13bluebrotherand it doesn't work?
23:29:14Zetdan_a: maybe 80 euros, max
23:29:25bluebrotherdid you also measure up to the 3V line?
23:30:09Bonusbartuswell, I soldered the hold button loose, then connected a resistor with the measured value to the cable and the groud, but that didn't work
23:30:17Bonusbartuswhe is the 3v line?
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23:30:41BonusbartusI measured at the point where the cables are soldered to the remote board
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23:31:33kubiixis any way how to automatically do the preprocess the whole source for selected target and get the clean source for this target ?
23:31:45PaulPositionZet - Best thing is deblocking a budget, whatever the budget, and keeping it in the bank. Then have a look from time to time at sales from various outlets. You *will* find very attractive deals from time to time, and you'll need the money then.
23:32:07Bonusbartusthere shouldn't be a problem with other resistance in the cable, because I put my own restistor on the same place in the network
23:33:00PaulPositionkubiix - uh? What is it you mean?
23:33:10dan_aZet - If you're good with hardware, you might be able to get 2 broken iPods off ebay and make one working one out of them
23:33:36Bonusbartuszet or a player with damaged battery or zo
23:34:09kubiixPaulPosition: get the souce without unneded parts in #ifdef blocks for another target
23:35:29PaulPositionOh... Dunno then, there might be something for that, you'd have to read the man page for cvs...
23:35:32Bonusbartusbluebrother: problem is that I don't whant to fry my players mainboard... I got an old h120 with some very bad sectors on the harddisk, but even that one i don't want to kill
23:35:53bluebrotherBonusbartus, see the wiki page you mentioned earlier.
23:36:10peturkubiix: I'm sure you can run the compiler with some flag to do only preprocessing or keep the files after build - check the gcc manual
23:36:27bluebrotherI still have somewhat the assumptions it's simply a voltage divider, so it's also connected to the 3V line
23:37:20bluebrotherI don't want to fry my player too −− it's an important working tool (for not getting distracted by the other students babbling around)
23:37:44Bonusbartusyeah, I think that could be correct, that's the way the resistor network is connected to the adc
23:37:48Bonusbartushehe same here
23:37:50kubiixpetur: i know about the flag E, but this works easy only for single file, not for so many files like in rockbox sources
23:38:05Bonusbartuswhat are u studying?
23:38:15bluebrotherso I'd try to measure the remote between the hold pin and the 3V
23:38:22peturkubiix: you might need to tweak the makefile
23:38:28bluebrotherelectronic science (if that's the correct english term)
23:38:43Bonusbartuswhere u from?
23:39:39BonusbartusI study in germany ;) RWTH, I'm from Kerkrade, Holland
23:40:12BonusbartusI study Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik... second year...
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23:40:27bluebrotherI grew up in Freiburg (south germany), now I'm in Karlsruhe (a bit less south)
23:40:59bluebrotherhehe ... same here. When I started it was called "Elektrotechnik", later they renamed it to "Elektrotechnik und Informationstechnik"
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23:41:49Bonusbartusbut, between th hold pin and 3v, that would mean, that I need to measure inside the player itself...
23:41:52bluebrotherbut my second year is already a bit ago ;-)
23:42:11bluebrotherno, I'd just measure that on the remote.
23:42:32bluebrotherunfortunately I don't have anything here to try it myself (except the remote)
23:42:35Bonusbartusyeah, problem is, there is no 3v pin
23:42:48bluebrotherthere is none? The wiki mentiones one
23:42:49UnleetI am using the IRIVER H10 and I am also using "Windows Vista Beta 2" with wmp11. My Vista is not finding the driver software for my H10 and therefore i cannot use it on my pc. Any advice?
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23:43:01Bonusbartususe rockbox :P
23:43:19UnleetWill rockbox detect my H10?
23:43:33bluebrotherUnleet, not directly. You need to use it in UMS mode
23:43:51Bonusbartusno, windows should detect your player when it is running rockbox :P
23:44:14UnleetMy computer cannot find the driver software for the H10
23:44:30bluebrotherreinstall the computer
23:44:35UnleetIm using vista beta 2 and every time i plug in the player it says it cant find the driver software
23:44:41Unleeti just did last night
23:44:41bluebrotheror even better, install a better OS :D
23:45:12Unleettrue but i just upgraded to the newest vista last night hoping to fix the porblem. no luck
23:45:28bluebrotherUnleet, this is not rockbox related. I guess the most people here just don't care.
23:45:40Bonusbartusit's not for nothing a beta :) but you could try irivers firmware updater somewhere, with the latest updater you can switch back to mtp and ums and back
23:45:42bluebrotherVista is a better os?
23:46:00UnleetNo, Vista is horrible. I suggest using XP
23:46:10bluebrotherso why are you using vista?
23:46:20*bluebrother won't use vista on this machine ever
23:46:22UnleetMy H10 is in mtp mode
23:46:38bluebrotherthere is the ums trick ... see the wiki for details
23:46:41Unleeti know the ums trick but right now i just want my computer to recognize the H10
23:47:03bluebrotherno idea. Wrong OS, wrong firmware ;-)
23:47:15*petur won't use xp - ever
23:47:40peturw2k must have been the last (and only) fine os they made
23:47:42UnleetI guess ill go install XP again and read the manual to install rockbox
23:47:52*bluebrother managed to restrain xp to something really useable
23:48:03Bonusbartussame here :P
23:48:15UnleetIs it true RockBox can play videos on the H10?
23:48:24bluebrotherI saw some video on youtube explaning the installation of Rockbox on a h10 ... the PC was running vista
23:48:36bluebrotherit can, but only basic m2v and without sound
23:48:52UnleetNo sound... I see
23:48:53bluebrotherwhen the player is in ums windows shouldn't have any problem finding it
23:49:03bluebrothersound hasn't been done yet.
23:49:09UnleetOk well i havnt tried the ums trick in vista.
23:49:29bluebrotheras it would most probably require using the second core, which needs to be done first
23:49:36UnleetThats my next step before reverting back to XP
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23:50:06Bonusbartusbluebrother, there isn't a real 3v pin to the remote, the hold pin is connected to the ground connector (with some garbage between them), so the hold pin must be getting 3v inside the player
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23:50:51UnleetWell, thank you for the help(kind of). I hope the ums trick recognizes the H10.
23:51:14jbaany reason why bubbles (that plugin rocks) doesn't resize to take up as much of the screen as it can?
23:51:30bluebrotherthe lowest blue label on top of the black jack
23:51:52bluebrotherjba, I guess simply because it hasn't been adjusted yet. Which player?
23:52:09jbawas playing it on the train this morning, on my gigabeat
23:52:16jbaam working on the gigabeat port
23:53:00Bonusbartusbluebrother 3v= Power for the lcd display...
23:53:13Zetoh well
23:53:34ZetI'll just look at players again in May
23:53:39Zetuntil then, bye...
23:53:39bluebrotheryeah, but who tells you that isn't also used for a voltage divider?
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23:54:40bluebrotherthe non-lcd remote also has this pins
23:54:42tehsmoUnleet: you could always boot a knoppix cd and use that for the install
23:54:53tehsmothen you don't need to install an OS at all
23:55:26Bonusbartusyeah, but the cable connected to it too?, I have that remote here, trying to open it now :P
23:55:56goffagigabeat would almost fit zet's budget (although its not fully supported... yet)
23:56:42goffait is running on it though.. just missing certain accessability options for people who can hear :)
23:56:44Bonusbartusbluebrother: crap it's screwless.... trying harder...
23:56:46pixelmajba: uhmm... sorry I once started to adjust it (in the sim) but gave up on a certain point (that was before plugin button actions) but now that you have plugins running on the real target...
23:57:18jbait's such a cool plugin
23:58:17pixelma...ok I'll see what I can do in the next days(no promise though) ;)
23:58:18bluebrotherthere was some "opening guide" on
23:58:43*bluebrother just removed the clip from the remote ... didn't sound good
23:59:01Bonusbartussite doesn't exist...

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