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| 00:02:20 | Unleet | i dont have a knoppix cd\ |
| 00:02:24 | Unleet | Sorry |
| 00:03:04 | pixelma | jba: don't you (the gigabeat-port people) work with a different tree? |
| 00:03:35 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: is the non-lcd completely screwles.. or is there a screw under the clip? |
| 00:04:16 | bluebrother | they don't mention the non-lcd, and I only have the lcd remote |
| 00:04:29 | bluebrother | which has one small screw at the cable end |
| 00:05:06 | Unleet | I can download knoppix but it seems to be in german |
| 00:05:24 | jba | pixelma, yeah we do for now |
| 00:05:28 | jba | till we get it stable |
| 00:05:36 | Unleet | Ill just use my friends ubuntu cd |
| 00:05:53 | bluebrother | Unleet, you can change the language of knoppix at boot time |
| 00:06:07 | jba | pixelma, shouldn't be too hard to merge across |
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| 00:07:03 | bluebrother | ok, that clip _was_screwed. They are telling lies in that opening guide :( |
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| 00:07:24 | pixelma | jba: some plugins (bubbles and metronome) got this button action code added very recently - I wonder if yours already have it or not |
| 00:07:37 | neoseth | hi |
| 00:07:52 | jba | i remember having to deal with some ifdefs when getting metronome to build, would that be it? |
| 00:08:16 | jba | it's rb cvs as of two weeks ago now methinks |
| 00:08:50 | Unleet | I see. |
| 00:09:12 | markun | pixelma: I don't think we have the latest versions, but we didn't change anything |
| 00:09:14 | bluebrother | you can still use ubuntu instead. Or any other live cd |
| 00:09:21 | Unleet | I will try the ums trick for now, and check back here later with results. |
| 00:09:30 | neoseth | anyone could give me a little help about usb mode on a iriver ? |
| 00:09:34 | markun | I should start to commit some of the gigabeat changes back to rockbox |
| 00:09:43 | bluebrother | LOL |
| 00:09:43 | pixelma | jba: the button actions are there to get rid of the "ifdef keypad" ... |
| 00:09:53 | jba | so then we don't have them |
| 00:09:55 | jba | hehe |
| 00:10:05 | Unleet | What about the usb mode on thr IRIVER? |
| 00:10:07 | pixelma | I'll check the cvs logs |
| 00:10:10 | bluebrother | the PCB has "IMP-550 Remocon" printed on it |
| 00:10:12 | Unleet | Which Model IRIVER? |
| 00:10:16 | neoseth | 340 |
| 00:10:17 | neoseth | well |
| 00:10:35 | neoseth | im using this charging station with usb and power connectors |
| 00:10:53 | neoseth | used to be with the orig firmware to just charge and turn off the display |
| 00:11:07 | neoseth | now i get usb bootloader mode |
| 00:11:10 | Bonusbartus | I coul open the front part, i only see 6 cables |
| 00:11:28 | neoseth | if i press and hold rec .. does it normal charge with the power connector ? |
| 00:12:02 | pixelma | jba: markun: JdGordon added them on November 16th |
| 00:12:03 | bluebrother | on the bottom I have pads labelled as GND and 3V |
| 00:12:41 | PaulJam | one small question concerning the last commit: do i have to rename the existing playlists now to m3u8 or does rockbox recognize them being in utf8 format? |
| 00:12:46 | Bonusbartus | yeah I know:) but on the non-lcd there are only 6 cables, 3 for the audio, |
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| 00:13:14 | bluebrother | is 3V connected? |
| 00:13:15 | Bonusbartus | 1 for buttons, one for ground and one for hold? |
| 00:13:26 | Bonusbartus | cant open it that far |
| 00:14:11 | bluebrother | PaulJam, as long as you don't have special characters (i.e. non-ASCII) in your filenames it doesn't matter |
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| 00:14:41 | bluebrother | can't you take out the PCB? |
| 00:15:09 | neoseth | anyone else with some iriver knowledge ? |
| 00:15:17 | Bonusbartus | nope, screwed, and I cant fully open it... it's jamed somewhere and I cant find ou how.....still searching |
| 00:15:39 | Bonusbartus | neoseth, what u need to know? |
| 00:15:48 | bluebrother | neoseth, usb charging isn't implemented yet |
| 00:16:01 | neoseth | well i dont want to toast my player |
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| 00:16:04 | bluebrother | there is a patch in the tracker, but you can always use the OF for usb charging |
| 00:16:25 | Bonusbartus | neoseth, u can, see misticriver forum |
| 00:16:33 | neoseth | just tryed that rec holding and it looks like its booting the orig iriver firmware |
| 00:16:38 | Bonusbartus | there is a custom build which has that feature |
| 00:16:42 | PaulJam | bluebrother: thanks |
| 00:17:08 | neoseth | i dont want usb charging anyway since i use the docking station which has a power connector |
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| 00:18:17 | bluebrother | wall charger charging is handled in hardware, so unless you use a charger that doesn't fit there shouldn't be a possibility to fry your player |
| 00:18:40 | neoseth | hope so ... only thigs that was getting on my nerves was |
| 00:19:10 | neoseth | that still the bootloader mode came up with the display not turning off |
| 00:19:19 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: found it :D |
| 00:19:39 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 00:20:16 | jba | pixelma don't think they made it, but i'm sure it won't be too hard to bring back accross |
| 00:22:03 | neoseth | grml .. display doesnt turn off this way =) |
| 00:22:32 | Bonusbartus | hmm, red: key, brown L, green R, black Dground, white Start, loose copper wire VREE |
| 00:22:46 | bluebrother | loose wire? |
| 00:23:48 | Bonusbartus | just twisted copper threads, thicker than the other wires, not loose |
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| 00:24:34 | Bonusbartus | no shell around it |
| 00:24:44 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 00:25:19 | Bonusbartus | I see nothing called analog ground... whould that be this wire or is it possible there isnt an analog ground?:S |
| 00:25:46 | Bonusbartus | srry not VREE, VREF |
| 00:27:38 | pixelma | jba: would be easier to adapt it in your version then :D - though that wouldn't be the right option IMO |
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| 00:27:47 | Bonusbartus | hmm I think you whrere right.. it's somehow connected to thebuttons I think |
| 00:28:03 | bluebrother | I don't have VREF but 3V here. |
| 00:28:16 | bluebrother | maybe it's just a different name on the non-lcd remote |
| 00:28:28 | jba | pixelma, does it need to be adapted to specific screen size, or is design so that it can adapt to given res automatically>? |
| 00:28:40 | Bonusbartus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/HardwareSchematics/ctrl_adc.pdf here is something called VCC, same thing? |
| 00:30:14 | pixelma | it would need to be adapted to the screen size - it uses a background picture (in cvs this background even consists of two parts) |
| 00:31:19 | pixelma | and if it uses the whole screen I'd suggest to put the preview of the next bubble and things like that somewhere else |
| 00:31:35 | Bonusbartus | but VREF also goes to the jack-in... together with L and R |
| 00:32:59 | Bonusbartus | I think this thing works totaly different, but there should be some similarity so the player can recognise it... |
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| 00:33:40 | bluebrother | can you measure between VREF and the other pins? Is there somewhere a noticeable value? |
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| 00:34:17 | bluebrother | I don't think they are too much different. The lcd remote has the spi bus added for the lcd (and a pin for the backlight) |
| 00:34:24 | Bonusbartus | I don't know where my multimeter is :P and I don't have a good one, I measured it someplace else |
| 00:35:33 | bluebrother | too bad. Maybe I should try to get hands on one on the weekend. |
| 00:37:19 | Bonusbartus | yeah, but 1: AGND,L, R, CS, HOLD,START, DGND, RS, EL, DATA, 3V, CLK, RMC, 2got: L,R,DGND, START, VREF, RMC |
| 00:39:21 | Bonusbartus | so maybe the VREF =3V or VREF = AGND? |
| 00:40:08 | Bonusbartus | there is no HOLD on the non-lcd remote, so my earlier theory about the hold button connected to ADC cant be correct |
| 00:40:28 | amiconn | The non-lcd remote does have hold |
| 00:40:50 | Bonusbartus | yeah, but no wire only for the hold button like the lcd display does |
| 00:41:55 | bluebrother | does the non-lcd remote allow to read out the hold status? I.e. is the hold status available to the main device? |
| 00:42:19 | bluebrother | maybe the hold switch just locally disconnects the keys |
| 00:42:21 | Bonusbartus | I'll check |
| 00:42:47 | Bonusbartus | in rockbox it can see, but that could be a nice software thing |
| 00:42:52 | amiconn | Correct. The non-lcd remote hold is connected to the adc, in parallel with the button R network |
| 00:43:21 | amiconn | Afaiu, it just shorts the button network to ground, giving a zero adc reading when enabled |
| 00:43:24 | Bonusbartus | let me see if the H120 sees it |
| 00:44:16 | amiconn | see firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h300/button-h300.c (and the equivalent for h1x0) |
| 00:44:41 | Bonusbartus | ok, that means that the player cant read see what type of remote is connected by the HOLD pin in the lcd remote |
| 00:44:53 | neoseth | gna ... my fault works now =) |
| 00:45:31 | Bonusbartus | amiconn, you followed our conversation? |
| 00:45:46 | neoseth | anyway thx for the help |
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| 00:46:24 | amiconn | Bonusbartus: For remote type detection, see firmware/drivers/lcd-h100-remote.c |
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| 00:47:03 | Bonusbartus | yeah I looked into it, as does bluebrother, but we cant find out where the adc reads the value |
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| 00:47:32 | amiconn | What's the problem? |
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| 00:47:44 | Bonusbartus | bluebroter: yep my h120 also sees the hold switch for the new non-lcd remote in original firmware |
| 00:48:06 | amiconn | adc_scan() is the function that actually reads the adc |
| 00:48:24 | Bonusbartus | amidon: the problem is that I am building a infrared remote, and I need to know how the player knows what remote is connected |
| 00:48:36 | bluebrother | hmm. AFAICS the remote type gets read as a 8bit adc value |
| 00:48:55 | amiconn | Yes, via channel ADC_REMOTEDETECT |
| 00:49:16 | Bonusbartus | amicon: correct, and what is on the other end of ADC_REMOTEDETECT |
| 00:49:31 | Bonusbartus | a plug from the remote? a combination of plugs? |
| 00:49:51 | amiconn | The value depends both on the remote type _and_ the hold status, _except_ for the non-lcd remote where hold status doesn't matter for the ADC_REMOTEDETECT voltage |
| 00:50:14 | Bonusbartus | yeah thats as far as I got |
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| 00:50:29 | amiconn | That's the reason for the weird threshold checking |
| 00:50:54 | Bonusbartus | hmm I think you don't know what I'm looking for.... |
| 00:51:21 | amiconn | I don't know what "other end" you mean |
| 00:51:35 | amiconn | ADC voltages are measured against ground as usual |
| 00:52:13 | Bonusbartus | yep, but what voltage does it check to find out which remote is connected |
| 00:52:34 | amiconn | Ahem, ADC_REMOTEDETECT as already said... |
| 00:53:24 | bluebrother | but what is the hardware end of ADC_REMOTEDETECT? |
| 00:53:34 | Bonusbartus | but where in the player does ADC_REMOTEDETECT measure, it has to be on one of the 13 pins that go into the remotecontroll |
| 00:53:42 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:53:51 | Bonusbartus | but which pin:P |
| 00:53:54 | amiconn | I don't know whether the pinout is documented somewhere |
| 00:54:02 | Bonusbartus | or wghat combination of pins |
| 00:54:07 | Bonusbartus | yeah, but not that one :P |
| 00:56:47 | Bonusbartus | amicon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control |
| 00:57:52 | bluebrother | hmm. I think I'd try pulling that HOLD pin to some value between GND and 3V |
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| 00:58:44 | ani-adom | hi |
| 00:58:56 | ani-adom | who can i made mt own wps? |
| 00:58:56 | Bonusbartus | but.. how can it be the HOLD pin, the non-lcd remote doesn't have that one... |
| 00:59:19 | bluebrother | but I should go and get some sleep. |
| 00:59:38 | bluebrother | because the ADC_REMOTEDETECT value is dependent of the hold switch? |
| 00:59:55 | Bonusbartus | yeah me too, have college at 8.15 |
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| 01:00:04 | amiconn | I also suspect it has to do with the hold pin |
| 01:00:25 | Bonusbartus | amicon: that was my first guess too |
| 01:00:27 | bluebrother | maybe I get around to measure a bit over the weekend. Too bad I only have one remote |
| 01:00:54 | amiconn | The non-lcd remote doesn't change the open-loop voltage significantly |
| 01:01:00 | Bonusbartus | but there has to be another pin thats checked, because the non-lcd is checked without having that pin |
| 01:01:30 | bluebrother | maybe START |
| 01:01:34 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: could you mail me if you find some answers? |
| 01:01:39 | amiconn | The only indication of non-lcd remote vs. no remote at all is the remotedetect gpio pin, which I suspect uses some kind of bridging via the digital ground ring |
| 01:01:48 | bluebrother | but isn't START just connected to a GPIO? |
| 01:02:07 | ani-adom | who can i made mt own wps? |
| 01:02:14 | Bonusbartus | yep |
| 01:02:18 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus, sure. |
| 01:02:41 | Bonusbartus | DGN 540 ohm resistor, start, GPIO37 or 38 |
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| 01:03:16 | Bonusbartus | could it be connected to two things? |
| 01:03:35 | bluebrother | would surprise me a bit. |
| 01:03:40 | Bonusbartus | yeah me too |
| 01:03:55 | bluebrother | maybe just disconnect the HOLD wire and see if the remote still gets detected |
| 01:04:11 | bluebrother | hehe, you could try that even without any pin labelled HOLD |
| 01:04:40 | Bonusbartus | nope gives another reading :) |
| 01:05:00 | Bonusbartus | but not the same as when i pull the remote out |
| 01:05:52 | Bonusbartus | maybe it checks HOLD and RMC? |
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| 01:06:41 | Bonusbartus | hmm no can't be, when the non-lcd remote is connected it shows a 00 for remotebuttons, but the same value for remote_detect |
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| 01:07:22 | bluebrother | maybe. Find my mail address in my forum profile or the wiki |
| 01:07:23 | amiconn | It's _one_ voltage, and the fact that the voltage changes with the hold switch position except for the non-lcd remote is a strong point for the theory that it's the hold pin |
| 01:07:59 | bluebrother | ehrm ... remote_buttons and remote_detect is the same value? |
| 01:08:11 | ani-adom | who can i made mt own wps? |
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| 01:08:34 | bluebrother | ani-adom, it doesn't help repeating the same question every minute. |
| 01:08:40 | markun | amiconn: I'm adding RTC wakeup to the Gigabeat. Do you know what rtc_check_alarm_flag should do? |
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| 01:09:04 | Bonusbartus | uhm...I mean ADC_REMOTEDETECT and ADC_REMOTE |
| 01:09:15 | * | amiconn would expect to see a basically working port before seeing such tiny details fixed |
| 01:09:21 | Bonusbartus | ani_adom, check at www.misticriver.net |
| 01:10:00 | markun | amiconn: I know, but when it's late I prefer to fix simple things |
| 01:10:18 | bluebrother | ok, back after some hours of sleep. See you guys. |
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| 01:11:18 | Bonusbartus | amiconn, ADC_BUTTONS 00 onhold, FF normal, ADC_REMOTEDETECT: stays FC onhold and not onhold |
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| 01:12:17 | amiconn | Bonusbartus: I repeat again: ADC_REMOTEDETECT is the remote type detection signal (that's verified working), and I'm quite sure the signal is parallel to the hold signal line |
| 01:12:45 | amiconn | ADC_REMOTEDETECT is praktically the same regardless whether a non-lcd remote is connected or no remote at all |
| 01:13:11 | amiconn | ADC_BUTTONS is just the remote button network |
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| 01:13:23 | Bonusbartus | its value is E4 without remote and FC with remote... so it does detect something |
| 01:13:38 | amiconn | fluctuations |
| 01:14:34 | Bonusbartus | then how is it possible that it tells me remotetype: 3 when it is plugged in and zero when it isn't |
| 01:14:51 | amiconn | Because it also checks the remotedetect gpio |
| 01:15:11 | amiconn | hrrm |
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| 01:16:31 | Bonusbartus | yeah I got that, but how can it detect that on a non-lcd remote when there is no HOLD pin? |
| 01:18:11 | Bonusbartus | well, I'm going to get some sleep |
| 01:19:53 | Bonusbartus | see you guys |
| 01:19:54 | amiconn | [01:01:38] <amiconn> The only indication of non-lcd remote vs. no remote at all is the remotedetect gpio pin, which I suspect uses some kind of bridging via the digital ground ring |
| 01:20:50 | Bonusbartus | ah, did't see that before :) |
| 01:20:54 | Bonusbartus | srry : |
| 01:21:25 | Bonusbartus | but ok, I'll get some sleep and measure some things tomorrow |
| 01:21:28 | Bonusbartus | see ya |
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| 01:42:31 | petur | grrr... I don't know what I'm doing wrog but I fail to use gui_synclist ... it doesn't show the title configured and hangs :( |
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| 01:47:55 | petur | http://pastebin.ca/261976 <−− anyone? |
| 01:49:30 | * | petur really wanted to deal with the properties plugin tonight :( |
| 01:55:02 | petur | bug was elsewhere... |
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| 02:12:09 | petur | working and probably final version of properties plugin is on the tracker :) |
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| 03:15:55 | michaelcapito | Hey, anyone here? |
| 03:16:15 | JdGordon | 109 others... |
| 03:16:34 | michaelcapito | Holy cow. I'm sorry. |
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| 03:17:37 | michaelcapito | How would one go about adding a new device to the development list? |
| 03:18:19 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 03:19:56 | scorche | if only there was an add port button |
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| 03:52:16 | H3g3m0n | Is there a random/shuffle mode in rockbox? |
| 03:53:03 | H3g3m0n | nm found it in the manual |
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| 03:56:47 | scherbi | how far away is support for a Samsung yp-f2j? 99 lightyears? |
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| 06:05:02 | ze | lightyears isn't a unit of time |
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| 06:08:56 | aliask | Would it be a problem to upload non-public datasheets to rockbox? |
| 06:09:17 | thegeek_ | non-public is probably not a problem |
| 06:09:29 | rasher | aliask: I'd ask one of the swedes first |
| 06:09:36 | thegeek_ | problems might arise from other problems with them |
| 06:10:05 | thegeek_ | if they have any limitations that apply it will ofcourse be a problem;P |
| 06:10:29 | aliask | I can't find any written limitations, other than the fact that it was in the "private downloads" folder on their webserver |
| 06:10:59 | thegeek_ | bit of a grey area then |
| 06:11:21 | thegeek_ | def. something to ask them about;P |
| 06:11:29 | aliask | Yeah, that's why I'm here :) |
| 06:12:05 | scorche | he doesnt come in to chat with me anymore |
| 06:12:57 | aliask | Blame it on world of warcraft. |
| 06:13:11 | scorche | seriously? |
| 06:13:12 | aliask | (hi scorche :) ) |
| 06:13:29 | aliask | Seriously. That game is damned addictive |
| 06:13:49 | scorche | aliask: heh...since when have you been playing? |
| 06:13:52 | scorche | grrr |
| 06:13:58 | scorche | /msg alisk |
| 06:14:03 | scorche | whatever...go to PM |
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| 07:20:11 | zzap | How do I add myself to this list: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/userlist.html ? |
| 07:23:27 | aliask | Click "go back", and it should become obvious |
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| 07:31:08 | jadakiss | anyone alive ? |
| 07:32:33 | jadakiss | how can i check what kind of ipod i got ? |
| 07:33:03 | jadakiss | Serial: 7n6014jhszb |
| 07:33:09 | jadakiss | what kind of ipod is it ? |
| 07:33:59 | zzap | Hmm, I don't think you should be telling everyone your serial number. |
| 07:34:19 | dre | why can u steal it |
| 07:34:41 | zzap | I think you can do a few things with it on the Apple website. |
| 07:34:47 | zzap | Anyways, take a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 07:35:08 | zzap | There are little pictures of iPods to help you identify which one you might own. |
| 07:35:42 | jadakiss | looks like the iPod Mini 2nd gen |
| 07:35:43 | dre | hmm is there one for shuffle? |
| 07:36:04 | zzap | lol, no, there isn't one for the Shuffle, I don't think. |
| 07:36:08 | zzap | Do you have a shuffle, dre? |
| 07:36:12 | jadakiss | i have one |
| 07:36:15 | jadakiss | barnacles |
| 07:36:17 | jadakiss | ! |
| 07:36:39 | zzap | What's the point of having Rockbox on a shuffle? |
| 07:36:52 | jadakiss | the EQ |
| 07:36:56 | jadakiss | i hate the freakin presets |
| 07:37:01 | jadakiss | sonds like shit |
| 07:37:06 | jadakiss | i cant use my custom EQ |
| 07:38:00 | zzap | Heh. |
| 07:38:28 | dre | http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=1453 <−−interesting what you said about serials, good to know that zzap thx |
| 07:39:20 | zzap | Hehe, no problems. |
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| 07:41:09 | amiconn | zzap: There would be several reasons to want rockbox on a shuffle. |
| 07:41:15 | dre | from an apple employee.. |
| 07:41:15 | dre | Glucksman said he would report the missing iPod and "I'd buy another one. If the reported stolen one were recovered, it'd make a good present." |
| 07:41:22 | dre | of course they say that! |
| 07:47:22 | zzap | Man, I hate I/O errors. |
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| 08:00:59 | jadakiss | barnacles! |
| 08:01:08 | jadakiss | now i cant even add songs to the shuffle |
| 08:01:11 | jadakiss | they wont show |
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| 08:09:50 | rasher | hey |
| 08:10:39 | rasher | Bagder, LinusN: Any news about automatic voice building? |
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| 08:29:43 | JdGordon | any chance of some discussio re fs 6399 today? I'd really like to commit it soon |
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| 09:18:23 | LinusN | Slasheri: your player is unbricked |
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| 09:18:44 | Slasheri | LinusN: oh, thats nice to hear :) thanks a lot =) |
| 09:19:14 | LinusN | will try to mail it today |
| 09:19:14 | Bagder | what is the opposite of a brick? a sponge? ;-) |
| 09:19:19 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:20:02 | Slasheri | LinusN: btw, i could give you a different address to mail it back directly here at work |
| 09:20:09 | LinusN | sure |
| 09:20:20 | Slasheri | so i don't need to go to the post 2km far away ;) |
| 09:20:21 | LinusN | just email me the addy |
| 09:20:40 | Slasheri | i will tell you it now :) |
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| 09:24:41 | rasher_ | Bagder, LinusN: Any news/ideas/questions about automatic voice building? |
| 09:25:08 | Bagder | I'd love to have it |
| 09:25:25 | rasher_ | What's the obstacle? |
| 09:25:45 | rasher_ | It's already part of the build system. Just needs festival/flite/espeak and lame |
| 09:26:05 | Bagder | I don't think there is any except the time and effort to actually make the automatic scripts run |
| 09:26:21 | rasher_ | Okay |
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| 09:28:51 | Bagder | personally I'm about -12 hours to my deadline... |
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| 09:29:35 | rasher | "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." |
| 09:29:49 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:32:09 | petur | rofl |
| 09:32:16 | petur | who said that? |
| 09:33:00 | * | petur is on a project that is very likely to miss its deadline |
| 09:33:07 | rasher | Douglas Adams |
| 09:33:34 | rasher | Guy missed deadlines like no one else. |
| 09:33:56 | * | petur fires up word and creates a page to hang out at the office |
| 09:37:52 | * | petur retrieves page from printer |
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| 09:52:50 | JdGordon | guys, thought on fs 6399? |
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| 09:58:08 | JdGordon | does anyone know how bookmarks work? |
| 09:58:23 | JdGordon | do they only get created for playlists which are just a folder being playbed? |
| 09:58:30 | JdGordon | i.e not a dynamic playlist? |
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| 10:00:22 | petur | bluebrother: properties patch updated, now implemented as viewer but integrated in context menu. Maybe I'll commit tonight after some more code cleaning. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 (at the bottom) |
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| 10:01:28 | n1s | petur: I'm trying to update recording settings in the manual, do you know of an explanation of the different agc modes somwhere? |
| 10:02:22 | JdGordon | is the resume info stored in the .playlist_control file? |
| 10:02:30 | petur | there must be a thread and patch entry about it that contain more info |
| 10:03:21 | petur | *forum thread |
| 10:05:03 | petur | n1s: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4748 |
| 10:05:13 | n1s | thank |
| 10:05:14 | n1s | s |
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| 10:06:59 | petur | n1s: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2841.0 |
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| 10:09:18 | bluebrother | petur, saw that but didn't have time to try before I left this morning |
| 10:09:50 | bluebrother | you last patch still includes changes to english.lang −− intended? |
| 10:10:16 | petur | of course... the sting for the context menu |
| 10:10:22 | petur | string even |
| 10:11:34 | petur | I made that patch just after getting it working stable, must clean up a bit and test more tonight |
| 10:11:45 | bluebrother | ah, ok. So you don't use "open with" for this |
| 10:12:21 | petur | no, it's like the credits thing: it looks like it is part of rockbox but actually calls a plugin for it |
| 10:12:33 | petur | like overlays |
| 10:13:05 | Bagder | a sneaky way to avoid growing the binary size of the core image |
| 10:13:23 | Bagder | me likes |
| 10:13:30 | JdGordon | not sneaky at all... more shhuold be dont like that imo |
| 10:13:50 | petur | Now I understand the idea of putting the settings editor in a plugin. the user wouldn't even know it is a plugin. Downside is that it will fail if the plugin isn't there |
| 10:13:50 | Bagder | I'm actually in favour of _more_ things done like that |
| 10:14:06 | JdGordon | like the settingsconfiguratio and wps :D |
| 10:14:27 | JdGordon | that shold have said settings configuration |
| 10:14:54 | petur | and that should have said should? |
| 10:15:07 | Bagder | haha |
| 10:15:09 | * | JdGordon throws keyboard against the wall |
| 10:15:23 | JdGordon | cheap piece of wireless crap! |
| 10:15:46 | JdGordon | but at least people are watcing the channel now.... |
| 10:15:51 | bluebrother | I don't think this would be good for settings ... requires a disk spinup every time you access the settings |
| 10:16:01 | JdGordon | does .playlist_control store resme info on shutdown? or is it all in config block? |
| 10:16:25 | bluebrother | (settings menu that is) |
| 10:17:14 | petur | bluebrother: THAT is indeed the big drawback of putting stuff in plugins. The properties thing is much slower now, but it's ok as you don't need it much. For settings it would be unacceptable |
| 10:17:41 | JdGordon | not nescacerily... it could be loaded into the plugin ram on startup, then as long as nothing steals that ram it could stay there, so no disk spinup |
| 10:17:41 | Bagder | right, it should be used for seldomly used stuff |
| 10:17:56 | Bagder | plugin cache! |
| 10:18:10 | JdGordon | bingo |
| 10:18:19 | petur | KISS |
| 10:18:23 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:18:56 | bluebrother | I can think of handling archived themes that way |
| 10:19:07 | bluebrother | and caching them in an exploded tree |
| 10:19:34 | bluebrother | but using one big archive file may be faster loading as it won't require lots of small files opened |
| 10:19:40 | * | petur would rather not have exploding trees in his DAP ;) |
| 10:19:47 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 10:20:11 | * | bluebrother still wants to give archived themes a shot but is failing to find the required time |
| 10:20:40 | petur | join me :/ |
| 10:21:08 | petur | reminds me I should be doing some paid work.... |
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| 10:22:28 | bluebrother | btw, is there a reason why "Rockbox Info" doesn't has the version included? credits plugin and firmware file may be out of sync thus giving a wrong version information |
| 10:29:02 | Bagder | I don't think there's a particular reason |
| 10:33:38 | JdGordon | where is the usb screen code? |
| 10:34:58 | scorche | screens.c i believe |
| 10:35:19 | JdGordon | cheers |
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| 10:37:54 | bluebrother | hmm. My player behaves strangely |
| 10:38:25 | bluebrother | backlight went on and didn't turn off |
| 10:39:28 | _kahuna_ | hi, anybody knows if it is normal to get a low background clicking noise when using a Iriver H120 with the remote? |
| 10:40:04 | _kahuna_ | I'm getting it only with rockbox, have tried two firmwares, the first from about two weeks and the second from today |
| 10:40:25 | bluebrother | _kahuna_: try enabling the "eliminate ticking" option |
| 10:40:34 | _kahuna_ | with the original Iriver firmware I did not get the noise, nor I get it if I plug the headphones directly to the player, removing the remote |
| 10:40:47 | _kahuna_ | ok, I'll try right now |
| 10:41:24 | bluebrother | ah, it's "reduce ticking" to be exactly |
| 10:41:30 | n1s | _kahuna_: General settings->Display options<>remote lcd<>reduce ticking |
| 10:43:12 | _kahuna_ | fantastic!!!! |
| 10:43:21 | _kahuna_ | it's solved, BIG THANKS! |
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| 10:56:30 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'm not having much luck with the Flysprayed \o/ changes.patch... :( |
| 10:56:39 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 10:57:47 | pondlife | Can't get normal or sim builds to complete.. Details on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6399. |
| 10:57:59 | pondlife | It applies cleanly.. |
| 10:58:27 | pondlife | Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's Cygwin? |
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| 10:59:23 | JdGordon | the sim bug is because menu.h is included in sim/common/stubs.c dunno why its not makign it into the patch |
| 10:59:28 | JdGordon | h300 regular builds fine for me tho |
| 10:59:34 | JdGordon | brb |
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| 11:04:29 | JdGordon | back |
| 11:06:49 | pondlife | Anything you want me to look at? |
| 11:08:37 | pondlife | e.g. why don't I have settings_list.h? |
| 11:08:59 | JdGordon | you dont hae settings_list.h? |
| 11:09:28 | JdGordon | ah, bloody hell |
| 11:10:47 | JdGordon | ok, remaking the patch |
| 11:10:57 | JdGordon | forgot to do cvsdo add aparently |
| 11:11:04 | pondlife | No problem, just so you know |
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| 11:11:17 | pondlife | Will keep an eye on Flyspray... |
| 11:12:51 | JdGordon | ok, fs updated |
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| 11:23:57 | pondlife | JdGordon: that builds ok now, just a couple of warnings in the dev/sim/logf/debug build. |
| 11:24:04 | pondlife | menus/main_menu.c:637: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 11:24:11 | pondlife | (and the same on line 638) |
| 11:24:52 | pondlife | Mind you, the sim crashes immediately I run it! |
| 11:24:54 | JdGordon | odd... i get no errors |
| 11:25:03 | JdGordon | crashes? |
| 11:25:10 | pondlife | Just debugging now... |
| 11:25:17 | JdGordon | you sure your running a clean cvs+patch? |
| 11:25:24 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:25:38 | JdGordon | oh wait.. i must have been runing an old version... just crashed the sim :p |
| 11:26:05 | pondlife | settings_save () at settings.c:196 |
| 11:26:11 | pondlife | Seg fault |
| 11:26:27 | pondlife | Woah, recursion! |
| 11:26:34 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 11:26:59 | pondlife | #932 0x0041504e in settings_save () at settings.c:196 |
| 11:26:59 | pondlife | #933 0x00415028 in write_settings_to_disk () at settings.c:179 |
| 11:26:59 | pondlife | #934 0x00415035 in settings_save_ata_cb () at settings.c:189 |
| 11:26:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pondlife |
| 11:26:59 | pondlife | #935 0x004553db in register_ata_idle_func (function=0x41502a <settings_save_ata_cb>) |
| 11:26:59 | pondlife | at ata_idle_notify.c:51 |
| 11:27:00 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 11:27:00 | pondlife | #936 0x0041504e in settings_save () at settings.c:196 |
| 11:27:03 | pondlife | etc. |
| 11:27:49 | pondlife | Over 10000 calls deep |
| 11:27:55 | JdGordon | go me :D |
| 11:28:07 | JdGordon | I tinhk this is a sim only bug |
| 11:28:20 | pondlife | Still needs fixing |
| 11:28:25 | JdGordon | yup |
| 11:28:37 | pondlife | 20000 and counting.... |
| 11:29:02 | JdGordon | hahahaha, ok foun the bug |
| 11:29:09 | JdGordon | 2 functions calling eachother |
| 11:29:21 | JdGordon | it is a sim only bug, but it very possible in target bvuilds also |
| 11:29:22 | pondlife | You're not kidding! :-p |
| 11:30:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:30:49 | * | pondlife got bored after 48000 lines. |
| 11:31:33 | * | JdGordon wonders why settings are being saved so early anyway |
| 11:32:58 | JdGordon | ok fixed |
| 11:33:04 | JdGordon | redoin the patch once again |
| 11:36:19 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok, its online |
| 11:36:32 | * | JdGordon never has much luck with patches on fs :p |
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| 11:53:57 | Genre9mp3 | hmm.. what has changed with the battery voltage code recently? anyone know? |
| 11:54:16 | Genre9mp3 | well, maybe not so recently |
| 11:55:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you having a specific problem related to it, or something? |
| 11:55:38 | Genre9mp3 | I'm charging my H300 with latest build and the battery is now 4,22V 98% and it's only 1h 30 m (it usually gets 3 hours for a full charge) |
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| 11:56:14 | JdGordon | dont you jujst hate when things work better than expected? |
| 11:56:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you referring to how long it took to charge? |
| 11:56:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Isn't charging hardware controlled? |
| 11:56:50 | pondlife | JdGordon: Is it meant to save settings every time I change the volume? |
| 11:56:57 | pondlife | The sim, that is. |
| 11:57:07 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:57:10 | Genre9mp3 | the previous behaviour was: at about 2h30m reach 88% and stay there until full charge (when it then went to 100% and about 4.17-4.19V) |
| 11:57:19 | barrywardell | Genre9mp3: could be related to FS #3001 being committed |
| 11:57:20 | pondlife | OK, I assume the target won't... |
| 11:57:37 | LinusN | the charging on h300 is hardware controlled |
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| 11:57:59 | Genre9mp3 | It seems that something has changed though |
| 11:58:34 | Genre9mp3 | I won't mind unless it stops charging earlier than it should |
| 11:58:52 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok, ill add some safety guards in for the sim... the problem is the ata_idle_callback stuff doesnt work for the sim and just runs the callback when it gets it, which is whats killing it |
| 11:59:05 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: it stops charging when the hardware decides to |
| 11:59:14 | pondlife | It's not a problem, as long as it doesn't spin up the target hard disk too much. |
| 11:59:22 | LinusN | rockbox does nothing but monitor it |
| 11:59:23 | JdGordon | no, the target works fine |
| 11:59:26 | pondlife | I'll get it onto there soon |
| 11:59:37 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:59:45 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: Ok, good to know... So the monitoring has changed? |
| 11:59:57 | LinusN | i don't think so |
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| 12:00:03 | pondlife | Hmm, it doesn't seem to persist my WPS |
| 12:00:34 | Genre9mp3 | then my battery is in a hurry or something? |
| 12:00:51 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: or you are using the wall charger this sime and not usb? |
| 12:00:53 | Genre9mp3 | ^not so serious statement |
| 12:01:24 | Genre9mp3 | I'm using the wall charger... byt the previous description I made was with the wall charger, too |
| 12:01:26 | pondlife | JdGordon: Actually it does persist WPS, but doesn't load it on next startup. |
| 12:01:34 | LinusN | it also depends on the state of the battery when you start charging |
| 12:01:36 | Genre9mp3 | It takes more thaan 3 hours to charge via USB |
| 12:02:00 | JdGordon | pondlife: it could be because the sim doesnt have a nice shutdown which is stopping it saving |
| 12:02:18 | pondlife | No, it's saved ok |
| 12:02:29 | pondlife | Config.cfg has "wps: ipodColor" |
| 12:02:31 | Genre9mp3 | Yes... it depends on many things... but it seems to have a different behavior on monitoring... I don't know |
| 12:02:42 | JdGordon | interesting.... works on the sim |
| 12:02:46 | JdGordon | target* |
| 12:03:02 | pondlife | This is a customised WPS |
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| 12:03:20 | JdGordon | if is in .rockbox/wps it shodl save |
| 12:03:20 | pondlife | Although it is in the WPS directory |
| 12:03:32 | JdGordon | then it shhuold be fine |
| 12:04:40 | pondlife | I just get the default WPS until I reselect it. CONFIG.CFG seems correct throughout. |
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| 12:07:35 | JdGordon | hmm.... sim segfaults loading the wps |
| 12:07:41 | JdGordon | but it does load it! |
| 12:07:48 | JdGordon | i mean it tries to |
| 12:08:07 | JdGordon | no, its segfaults in wps_clear() |
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| 12:18:43 | pondlife | I don't get segfaults |
| 12:19:48 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: In your #3001 commit you say "Calculate remaining charging time while charging (rather than remaining running time)" wasn't this already the case? |
| 12:20:06 | barrywardell | no, i don't think so |
| 12:20:22 | Genre9mp3 | maybe not for all targets? cause I remember it showed the remaining charging time before... |
| 12:21:17 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... I should try with an old build though to be 100% sure |
| 12:21:26 | barrywardell | i'm not totally sure, but i don't think it showed remaining charging time |
| 12:21:44 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 12:23:12 | Genre9mp3 | On a side notice, why the remaining time on h300 is still calibrated at 8h57m for 1300mAh ? |
| 12:23:27 | Genre9mp3 | It should be about 20h I think |
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| 12:28:39 | barrywardell | i'm not totally sure |
| 12:29:30 | Genre9mp3 | I remember amiconn doing some tests after the h300 power leaking fix but I don't know what happened next |
| 12:29:54 | Genre9mp3 | I got 20h30m on a bbench after that with 128kbps mp3 |
| 12:29:56 | barrywardell | probably the statistic is based on old battery tests |
| 12:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | yes, it is... it should be updated |
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| 12:37:03 | barrywardell | hmm. looks like CURRENT_NORMAL is only defined for the H100. all other devices use the definition that is calibrated for the AJB. |
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| 12:54:22 | wlectric_warrior | so I have a 4th gen ipod that thinks that it is on hold all the time, If I were to install rockbox on it, could I mod the firmware to disable the hold button function? |
| 12:54:48 | Bagder | should indeed be possible |
| 12:55:13 | wlectric_warrior | cool |
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| 13:46:30 | ubuntuking | does anybody know a fix for the slow scrolling on ipod 5g video |
| 13:46:44 | daurnimator | 30gb? |
| 13:46:49 | ubuntuking | 60 gb |
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| 13:46:59 | ubuntuking | it gets slow when scrolling through songs |
| 13:47:02 | daurnimator | oh |
| 13:47:03 | daurnimator | uh |
| 13:47:06 | daurnimator | no idea |
| 13:47:36 | ubuntuking | that's the only thing i am having a hard time with rockbox |
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| 13:50:48 | Bonusbartus | hi |
| 13:51:27 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: you'r back again I see, already measured something? |
| 13:51:27 | ubuntuking | hey |
| 13:54:58 | markun | ubuntuking: I think it's a font caching problem |
| 13:55:04 | markun | which font are you using? |
| 13:55:19 | ubuntuking | one from a theme |
| 13:55:22 | ubuntuking | let me look |
| 13:55:39 | ubuntuking | it is from the black simple theme |
| 13:55:47 | ubuntuking | i do not know exactly which font |
| 13:56:07 | ubuntuking | markun, which font would you recommend |
| 13:56:34 | markun | ubuntuking: try one that is smaller that 10000 bytes |
| 13:56:53 | ubuntuking | markun, could you recommend one |
| 13:56:58 | markun | just as a test |
| 13:56:58 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus: no, got work to do at uni |
| 13:57:17 | bluebrother | (in the process to finally get outa here ;-) |
| 13:57:57 | bluebrother | but I usually hang around here if I have the chance to run an irc client somewhere |
| 13:58:31 | markun | ubuntuking: chicago12 is small enough |
| 13:58:47 | ubuntuking | markun, do you think that will do? |
| 13:58:59 | markun | I don't know, that's why I ask you to try |
| 13:59:49 | ubuntuking | markun, i'll give it a shot |
| 13:59:52 | markun | ok |
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| 14:00:21 | ubuntuking | the battery is actually dead |
| 14:00:30 | Bonusbartus | hehe |
| 14:00:36 | ubuntuking | i'll definately try it after a recharge |
| 14:00:58 | Bonusbartus | hmm I see linusN is here, maybe he rememders again how it worked ;) |
| 14:01:48 | LinusN | remember what? |
| 14:03:07 | Bonusbartus | the hardware part on how(with which pin) the remote is connected to ADC_remotedetect |
| 14:03:30 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 14:03:59 | LinusN | i believe it measures the voltage of the (pulled up) CS pin of the SPI interface |
| 14:04:14 | LinusN | iirc |
| 14:04:50 | preglow | LinusN: looked at the timestretching lib for a bit, and it should be possible |
| 14:05:01 | LinusN | preglow: nice |
| 14:05:02 | preglow | it'll require some additional buffering i'd rather not allocate statically, though |
| 14:05:21 | LinusN | how much? |
| 14:05:33 | preglow | depends, really, more when you stretch than when you compress |
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| 14:05:38 | preglow | just had a quick look |
| 14:05:53 | preglow | i think i saw the figure 100ms somewhere |
| 14:06:05 | preglow | which is about 20kb |
| 14:06:31 | preglow | no, more like 40kb, we'll want to do this on the full precision samples, i guess |
| 14:06:35 | Bonusbartus | hmm not what I expected, but could be possible I think, but what about a non-lcd remote, it is an lcd display SPI right? |
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| 14:07:02 | ubuntuking | markun, i was actually using chicago 12 |
| 14:07:11 | Bonusbartus | and... the value of adc_remotedetect changes when I switch the hold key... |
| 14:07:12 | ubuntuking | markun, with the simple black theme |
| 14:08:31 | Bonusbartus | and isn't the cs pin connected to gpo34 write only? |
| 14:08:52 | preglow | LinusN: we'll pretty much have to allocate it statically, though, if we want to be able to switch the effect on and off dynamically |
| 14:09:06 | preglow | we'll see, i don't have time to look any further at it right now anyway |
| 14:11:07 | LinusN | Bonusbartus: i'm not sure exactly which pin it is, but i think i remember that it was one of the spi pins |
| 14:11:35 | LinusN | and the non-lcd remote has the highest voltage iirc |
| 14:12:59 | Bonusbartus | but the remote only has 6 wires, , L,R,VREF,RMC,DGND,PLAY, how could it measure the CS pin if it doesn't have one? |
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| 14:13:35 | LinusN | maybe because there is a pullup in the main device as well? |
| 14:14:23 | LinusN | so it is probably a pulldown in the remote |
| 14:15:05 | Bonusbartus | hmm then, how does it see that the hold switch is on on the LCD-remote, the ADC_remoteDetect value changes when I use the lcd remote and switch the hold on |
| 14:16:20 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: offtopic, just yesterday I discovered that there are other iriver remotes, too like this: http://images.digitalshop.ru/big/tovar/iriver_pult_imp450blue.jpg |
| 14:16:20 | preglow | LinusN: hmm, it might actually be possible to use the pcm buffer directly for this, but then it must never be allowed to empty completely. i assume that's possible, but that'd also mean hardcoding it to work on 16 bit samples |
| 14:16:40 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: have you ever had any experience with such a remote? |
| 14:17:29 | LinusN | the hold is on a separate pin on the lcd remote |
| 14:17:59 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: nope |
| 14:18:11 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 14:18:34 | Bonusbartus | I know, but that would then mean that the adc measures 2 voltages, the hold and the cs pin or not? |
| 14:18:52 | LinusN | preglow: i don't think we will ever work on >16 bit samples anyway |
| 14:19:00 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus: it could just pull down the button adc pin to 0 (or disconnect it) |
| 14:19:30 | LinusN | Bonusbartus: it means that the voltage drops on the remote when hold is active |
| 14:19:51 | bluebrother | and with the buttons completely disconnected a in-device pull-up could generate the 0xff |
| 14:19:52 | LinusN | the non-lcd shorts the button adc pin |
| 14:20:12 | Bonusbartus | hmm |
| 14:20:35 | LinusN | the non-lcd hold button that is |
| 14:21:09 | Bonusbartus | yeah I noticed that, I screwed up one last night... |
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| 14:21:20 | LinusN | oh? |
| 14:21:33 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus: I guess you mean disassemble ;-) |
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| 14:21:39 | Bonusbartus | I tried to open it, but the clip borke of :P |
| 14:22:17 | LinusN | aha |
| 14:22:26 | Bonusbartus | I tried to disassemble... but part of the clip broke of.. remote still works:) |
| 14:23:00 | Bonusbartus | but I think I go search my multimeter... it's a very cheap one so I don't know if it measures correctly... |
| 14:24:24 | markun | ubuntuking: are you sure the theme didn't use one of the nimbus fonts? |
| 14:26:20 | Bonusbartus | LinusN: so you think it has to be the cs pin, I think I try measuring that one then, is it possible to translate the hex values that ADC_remotedetect gives into some analog values? |
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| 14:27:31 | LinusN | those hex values have been taken from readin the adc with different remotes attached, and we have never measured the actual voltages |
| 14:28:36 | Bonusbartus | hmm ok, but when I put a resistor between the cs pin and the player the value should change |
| 14:31:48 | LinusN | well, a resistor between cs and gnd, i believe |
| 14:33:30 | Bonusbartus | thats what I thought... so when I want to build my own remote and need to fake the lcd remote, I probabl have to fake the cs pin, the RMC pin and I would need the play pin right? |
| 14:34:34 | LinusN | yes, if it is in fact the cs pin |
| 14:35:00 | LinusN | and the hold switch |
| 14:35:19 | LinusN | if you want to be able to hold, that is |
| 14:36:51 | Bonusbartus | hmm I dont need that, I want to make an IR receiver to put next to my hifi system... so I don't think I m going to use a hold switch often:P |
| 14:36:59 | LinusN | i see |
| 14:38:57 | preglow | should a proper timestretcher/pitchshifer be an option in addition to the current one, or should both be able to be on simultaneously? |
| 14:39:05 | preglow | i vote for the former |
| 14:39:11 | Bonusbartus | I only hope the IR receiver works with rockbox, when it receives a signal, it can 1) switch a relay on or off, 2) give a pulse of 1 sec to the relay, but I don't know if thats too long |
| 14:39:25 | preglow | poorly phrased, but you get what i mean :> |
| 14:40:50 | petur | preglow: are you talking about speed up/down playback without pitch change? |
| 14:41:12 | preglow | petur: yes |
| 14:41:35 | petur | turning rockbox into dj equipment |
| 14:42:33 | preglow | the current way is actually what most djs are used to |
| 14:43:08 | preglow | since that's how a real turntable works |
| 14:43:10 | preglow | proper timestretching only became available with final scratch |
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| 14:48:15 | LinusN | this timestretch algorithm isn't very good at stretching percussive music anyway |
| 14:48:29 | LinusN | lots of echoing and smearing |
| 14:48:52 | LinusN | but i bet it is quite allright for speeding up audio books |
| 14:48:56 | preglow | you can't get away from that |
| 14:49:02 | preglow | it does a quite good job at speeding up audio books |
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| 14:49:37 | preglow | anywho, it does better at compressing than stretching, but that's universal for all kinds of algorithms |
| 14:49:37 | Bonusbartus | well... got to work now... |
| 14:49:43 | LinusN | well, some of the proprietary algorithms do a decent job at preventing smearing |
| 14:49:54 | preglow | well, yeah, but are they time domain? |
| 14:49:54 | LinusN | Bonusbartus: enjoy :-) |
| 14:49:59 | LinusN | preglow: no |
| 14:50:01 | preglow | exactly |
| 14:50:08 | preglow | we don't have enough cpu for anything else |
| 14:50:12 | LinusN | i know |
| 14:50:46 | Bonusbartus | LinusN: yeah right :P I'll try to get my remote finished before christmas :P I hope you were right about the cs pin |
| 14:50:49 | LinusN | i'm actually pretty impressed by it, since it is time domain |
| 14:50:50 | Bonusbartus | thanx |
| 14:50:52 | Bonusbartus | cya |
| 14:51:02 | preglow | yep |
| 14:51:08 | preglow | i'm wondering how well the autocorrelation will work |
| 14:51:12 | preglow | it's very emac friendly |
| 14:51:26 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 14:52:45 | preglow | i think i'll just reuse the resampler we already have |
| 14:52:56 | preglow | at least it'll be a good reason to make a better one some day :> |
| 14:53:03 | LinusN | hehe |
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| 14:55:05 | ubuntuking | markun, i think it did |
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| 15:14:36 | markun | ubuntuking: do you still have the scrolling problem with chicago12? |
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| 15:18:32 | JdGordon | can the hxxx save settings to the eeprom yet? |
| 15:19:59 | LinusN | yes, i believe so |
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| 15:21:17 | JdGordon | can we store anything to it like the archos rtc? |
| 15:21:33 | ubuntuking | markun, it seems much smoother |
| 15:21:45 | ubuntuking | markun, thanks for the help |
| 15:22:14 | markun | It's not a sollution of course. The font caching should be optimized. |
| 15:23:19 | ubuntuking | would i be able to do that if i compile my own |
| 15:24:02 | petur | JdGordon: on h3x0, there's still something weird with the eeprom. Sometimes rockbox seems to corrupt the iriver settings even if we don't use the eeprom atm. |
| 15:24:13 | JdGordon | hmm ok |
| 15:24:15 | ubuntuking | i would think that the scrolling part of the code should be optimized more in order to take into account the speed of scrolling |
| 15:24:19 | markun | ubuntuking: If you compile your own you can make the fontbuffer as big as the biggest font you use. That will also 'fix' it |
| 15:24:51 | ubuntuking | markun, can i compile it using linux |
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| 15:25:06 | LinusN | let me guess - ubuntu? :-) |
| 15:25:15 | ubuntuking | yeah |
| 15:25:23 | markun | ubuntuking: nah, it's OSX only here ;) |
| 15:25:24 | ubuntuking | you read my mind |
| 15:25:31 | ubuntuking | i run os x too |
| 15:25:34 | ubuntuking | can you do it in os x |
| 15:25:45 | markun | I wasn't serious |
| 15:25:59 | ubuntuking | lol |
| 15:26:10 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 15:26:28 | * | Genre9mp3 just found an official iriver datasheet that says that the H300 SNR is only 50dB! wtf??? |
| 15:26:42 | ubuntuking | i checked that, but i do not like the fact that u have to use cygwin |
| 15:27:00 | Bagder | ? |
| 15:27:04 | Bagder | read again |
| 15:27:39 | LinusN | where on that page does it say cygwin? |
| 15:27:46 | markun | can't see it either |
| 15:28:03 | ubuntuking | i mean i saw one that has instruction using cygwin |
| 15:28:08 | ubuntuking | must have overlooked this one |
| 15:28:22 | Bagder | so, you don't like that we have instructions for cygwin? :-) |
| 15:28:29 | LinusN | lol |
| 15:28:32 | ubuntuking | not at all |
| 15:28:44 | * | Bagder is teasing |
| 15:28:46 | ubuntuking | it is a matter of personal choice |
| 15:29:01 | LinusN | i use linux when i get to choose |
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| 15:29:57 | ubuntuking | same here |
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| 15:38:37 | n1s | bluebrother: did we ever decide the Hold/Long issue with buttons, the platform files are a mess. |
| 15:43:25 | n1s | is AGC swcodec only? |
| 15:43:34 | petur | yes |
| 15:43:44 | n1s | thx |
| 15:44:51 | * | petur totally ignores the fact that the MAS may or may not have AGC inside somewhere... |
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| 15:58:57 | pixelma | n1s: how would you handle "hold" vs. "long" in the manual? |
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| 15:59:33 | n1s | I like "Long" more, also avoids confusion with Hold switch |
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| 16:00:18 | pixelma | in some places I even found "long press on..." |
| 16:00:21 | tucoz | hi n1s |
| 16:00:23 | tucoz | and pixelma |
| 16:00:27 | n1s | hi tucoz |
| 16:00:29 | pixelma | hi tucoz |
| 16:00:39 | petur | long is long press but hold is holding a button down until something happens or while pressing another button |
| 16:01:16 | tucoz | I simply wrote Long <button> without thinking too much, when i added the action codes to the platform files |
| 16:01:32 | tucoz | i do however feel that we should decide on what to use |
| 16:01:48 | n1s | tucoz: but now the platform files are a mix of Long and Hold :-/ |
| 16:01:52 | tucoz | really? |
| 16:01:55 | tucoz | hmm |
| 16:02:09 | preglow | long sounds the most logical to me |
| 16:02:35 | tucoz | 'long' or 'long press on' ? |
| 16:02:43 | preglow | long press of, anyway |
| 16:03:00 | preglow | do you mean just "long play"? |
| 16:03:11 | preglow | it's pretty much got to be "long press of" |
| 16:03:19 | preglow | to stay coherent, unless i don't get what you're saying |
| 16:04:39 | kubiix | how can I skip building plugins ? |
| 16:04:49 | tucoz | make bin (I think) |
| 16:04:59 | pixelma | only "long <button>" sounds confusing to me... but "long press of <button>" can lead to wide columns in the button tables |
| 16:05:30 | tucoz | That is my concern as well |
| 16:05:38 | preglow | in tables you don't need all of that |
| 16:05:46 | preglow | i was thinking in ordinary text |
| 16:06:03 | petur | add a manual convetion chapter and explain what the terms mean? |
| 16:06:06 | tucoz | yes, but the problem is that a button press is defined to be either short or long |
| 16:06:14 | pixelma | preglow: what would you suggest for the tables then? |
| 16:06:17 | kubiix | tucoz: thx |
| 16:06:23 | tucoz | and we use the same definition in tables and in text |
| 16:06:27 | preglow | pixelma: long <button> ? :> |
| 16:06:46 | pixelma | heh |
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| 16:06:54 | preglow | no idea, really |
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| 16:11:00 | pixelma | guess that's why no one decided yet... |
| 16:13:45 | tucoz | Exactly. But I think Hold is better for in-text AND in-table use |
| 16:14:07 | tucoz | "... to do this Hold Record ..." |
| 16:15:19 | petur | it's not holding that they have to do most of the time, just press it a bit longer |
| 16:15:37 | tucoz | hmm. you are right |
| 16:16:13 | pixelma | hmm... maybe petur's suggestion is good (about the explanation) because there already is the introduction which explains how buttons are called throughout the manual |
| 16:17:13 | pixelma | so "long <button> means long press of" could be added there |
| 16:17:56 | tucoz | Sounds good. I can change the platform files, in case no one else feels like it |
| 16:18:39 | tucoz | and soon we will have to adopt the manual to the sansa and gigabeat. |
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| 16:24:04 | pixelma | tucoz: would be good if one person could do that :) |
| 16:24:14 | tucoz | I am doing it now |
| 16:24:20 | pixelma | just one another thing |
| 16:24:57 | lowlight | any configure/make experts here that could add "make codecs" and "make plugins" |
| 16:25:17 | lowlight | then i could do make bin && make codecs and not have to build the plugins |
| 16:26:15 | tucoz | pixelma, yes? |
| 16:27:57 | pixelma | tucoz: how should button combos be named then? I'd still prefer "hold buttonx+buttony" |
| 16:28:11 | tucoz | hehe |
| 16:28:45 | pixelma | "long buttonx + buttony" sounds weird |
| 16:29:26 | tucoz | We can use hold when we are talking about button combos |
| 16:30:24 | petur | we should, yes |
| 16:30:53 | petur | [16:01] <petur> long is long press but hold is holding a button down until something happens or while pressing another button |
| 16:31:09 | tucoz | right |
| 16:31:20 | pixelma | yeah right |
| 16:32:21 | tucoz | But this is not a problem in the platform files |
| 16:32:36 | tucoz | there are no combos defined that you need to hold down |
| 16:32:57 | tucoz | it's simply button1 + button2 |
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| 16:33:11 | pixelma | sure... but I wanted to know how I should name them while working on it :) |
| 16:33:37 | tucoz | you mean in the text? |
| 16:34:42 | tucoz | Should I just commit the updated platform files then? |
| 16:34:46 | pixelma | yes... it's already answered now... but I think I also saw different solutions there in the existing files |
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| 16:37:21 | pixelma | I have no objections |
| 16:38:26 | tucoz | good. in any case, it makes the text more consistent. |
| 16:39:53 | tucoz | aha. so n1s made some changes |
| 16:42:26 | * | Bagder spots a suspected spammer coming in |
| 16:42:38 | Bagder | funny how they pick nicks that look weird |
| 16:46:52 | tucoz | heh, maybe they look upon themselves as grafitti artists or taggers |
| 16:46:55 | Bagder | "MojoSsp" |
| 16:47:11 | tucoz | 'Kilroy was here' |
| 16:47:22 | tucoz | MojoSsp was here |
| 16:48:47 | goffa | zzzz... the wakeup juice isn't working here (even if it could be considered rocket fuel) |
| 16:49:06 | goffa | slow day here at work |
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| 16:56:21 | Neff | Hi all - anyone here knowledgeable about the iRiver H140 boot loader? |
| 16:58:21 | Bagder | I guess LinusN is the man for that |
| 16:59:03 | bluebrother | hi tucoz, n1s |
| 16:59:09 | tucoz | hi bluebrother |
| 16:59:20 | bluebrother | I started writing some terms explanation section a while ago |
| 16:59:39 | bluebrother | and I think we never agreed on the long vs. hold issue ;-) |
| 16:59:58 | tucoz | No, that was a tough one |
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| 17:00:24 | Neff | It may be me being stupid - so I'll put a hold on that request |
| 17:00:40 | * | bluebrother just returned from hunting down some information ... navigation stuff can be quite confusing |
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| 17:07:21 | Neff | woo hoo - panic over! ... I know have a iRiver H160 |
| 17:08:01 | PaulPosition | Wish there was 1" hd of that capacity.. :o |
| 17:11:46 | Neff | well that saves me buying an Ipod or iAudio |
| 17:12:06 | PaulPosition | I'm sure it does :) |
| 17:12:07 | Neff | I was down to 21Mb free space on the old drive |
| 17:13:59 | Neff | thanks folks - off to resync my music |
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| 17:15:52 | webguest99 | petur: ping |
| 17:17:23 | * | webguest99 reminds petur about two pitch screen patches |
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| 17:19:32 | pixelma | tucoz, bluebrother, n1s: I encountered one other problem. The chapter about the radio describes the radio screen and its operation. However the radio context menu is only mentioned in some "how to" paragraphs and the button table. I think this context menu should be described seperately (very important on Ondio) but then some information would be repeated... |
| 17:19:56 | pixelma | ...any ideas how we could handle this? |
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| 17:22:34 | webguest20 | The last change in the manual changes something about the buttons in the pitch screen. There is one more button there that toggles between normal and half steps mode. |
| 17:22:38 | ani-adom | hi |
| 17:22:43 | ani-adom | i dl HiPod 1.4 |
| 17:23:09 | ani-adom | and it had on it some __MACOSX\ file |
| 17:23:12 | ani-adom | what is it? |
| 17:23:19 | webguest20 | The 'toggle mode' button is not described. |
| 17:23:23 | markun | what's HiPod 1.4 |
| 17:23:40 | ani-adom | HiPod 1.4 is a wps |
| 17:25:25 | ani-adom | what is ds store file? |
| 17:26:19 | markun | ani-adom: try google |
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| 17:27:51 | Genre9mp3 | haha... and that's how the story ends with this blue45 guy: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=520629&postcount=73 |
| 17:30:40 | tucoz | pixelma, is the context menu another menu than the settings menu? (Long Navi on h1xx) |
| 17:32:56 | tucoz | pixelma, if you are editing the fm-radio description, you could change the presets from 32 to 64 |
| 17:34:04 | tucoz | and regarding your question. If you find a rewrite / reorganisation necessary, i'll say do it. |
| 17:34:11 | pixelma | yes it is the settings menu - but it doesn't look the same on all targets (different entries) |
| 17:34:55 | tucoz | The radio screen has been changed quite much since the manual stuff was initially written |
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| 17:34:57 | pixelma | or not different but not all are needed in this menu on all targets |
| 17:35:30 | tucoz | ok. But you can opt parts, if that is what you are thinking of. |
| 17:35:38 | tucoz | bbl |
| 17:35:51 | pixelma | yes, of course |
| 17:38:00 | pixelma | I was just wondering if it's better to rewrite it and leave out some of the other paragraphs (like "saving a preset" or such) |
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| 18:50:40 | Slasheri | hmm, i have found that ipod headphones detection really useful. No need to take off player from the case to switch it off. Just disconnecting the headphones is enough :) |
| 18:51:33 | Slasheri | and i have also located where the playlist crash happens.. |
| 18:51:52 | hcs | I use it for handy pause/unpause when the hold switch is on |
| 18:52:04 | Slasheri | i do also :) |
| 18:52:13 | Slasheri | pausing and powering unit off |
| 18:52:51 | hcs | I disabled the idle timeout as it didn't seem to work as I expected |
| 18:53:07 | Slasheri | ah.. with 5.5G it seems to work ok |
| 18:53:45 | hcs | and now... I'm off to make the rounds and get to NYC for Blip Festival! |
| 18:55:38 | Slasheri | :) |
| 18:56:27 | preglow | is the 5.5 disk supported now? |
| 18:56:47 | preglow | or does it still require a reformat? |
| 18:57:21 | Slasheri | preglow: no formatting is required.. |
| 18:57:26 | Slasheri | just patching the rockbox atm |
| 18:57:38 | preglow | why isn't it in cvs? |
| 18:57:42 | Slasheri | but i am trying to add auto-detection to the filesystem code |
| 18:57:45 | Slasheri | it's not yet ready |
| 18:57:52 | Slasheri | and has a serious bug with playlists / fsync |
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| 18:57:57 | Slasheri | debugging that right now |
| 18:57:58 | preglow | ah |
| 18:58:51 | Slasheri | i just hate that ipod gets full of fingerprints everywhere :) other ways it's great |
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| 19:00:04 | preglow | yeah, you have to learn to ignore that |
| 19:00:04 | preglow | hehe |
| 19:00:16 | preglow | my nano looks like shit by now |
| 19:00:23 | preglow | and i haven't really used it extensively |
| 19:00:28 | Slasheri | and that proprietary usb cable isn't nice either.. should have bought another one of these |
| 19:00:35 | Slasheri | now i always need to carry it with |
| 19:00:56 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 19:05:52 | Slasheri | ok, fat_closewrite crashes.. now adding more delayed logfs :) |
| 19:06:29 | Slasheri | debugging is really hard because there is no real-time logf |
| 19:06:59 | preglow | indeed |
| 19:07:21 | preglow | try doing like amiconn said some days ago, split the screen in two and use the bottom part for logf |
| 19:07:36 | preglow | the 5.5g should have more than enough screen real-estate for it |
| 19:07:51 | Slasheri | oh, that sounds interesting |
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| 19:08:33 | preglow | it might not be too hard either |
| 19:08:53 | SteveGotthardt | looking for admin to approve me for twiki editing - any takers? |
| 19:10:14 | Bagder | sure |
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| 19:10:44 | Bagder | done! |
| 19:11:00 | * | Bagder takes off again |
| 19:11:04 | SteveGotthardt | Thanks! |
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| 19:18:01 | lowlight | any configure experts care to comment...http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/configure.patch.txt |
| 19:18:18 | lowlight | adds "make codecs" and "make plugins" |
| 19:28:12 | markun | does anyone know if it's possible to read the values from the wolfson registers? |
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| 19:30:31 | markun | hi funky |
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| 19:42:29 | craigp | Hi! I'm having trouble getting Rockbox running on a 3G iPod. I've re-formatted it on windows, did a "Restore" from iTunes and hooked it up to my MAC. From there I ran diskdump -r /dev/disk2 bootpartition.bin |
| 19:42:57 | craigp | Then ipod_fw -g 3g -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 19:43:24 | craigp | Then: ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin ../bootloader-3g.bin |
| 19:43:44 | craigp | Then: diskdump -w /dev/disk2 rockboot.bin |
| 19:43:56 | craigp | Then: diskutil mount /dev/disk2s2 |
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| 19:44:38 | craigp | Which is where the iPod mounted |
| 19:44:58 | craigp | Then went to the root directory |
| 19:45:01 | craigp | Then unzip -a ~/Rockbox/g3/rockbox-ipod3g-20061130.zip |
| 19:45:12 | craigp | Everything looks ok, but the iPod just stops at the Mac Logo. |
| 19:45:15 | craigp | THoughts? |
| 19:45:31 | bluebrother | why did you use -a? |
| 19:46:10 | bluebrother | on my linux box this is "auto-convert text files" |
| 19:46:18 | craigp | To extract everything from the archive. I tried it without that option, too. This is my fourth time through from re-formatting/restoring via windows to the point where I'm just getting the Apple logo |
| 19:46:41 | craigp | You're right about the auto-convert CR/LF vs. binary thing, though.... |
| 19:46:43 | bluebrother | do you get the bootloader? I.e. something saying "Rockbox bootloader" or similar? |
| 19:47:18 | craigp | That's what the bootloader-3g.bin should be −− that I downloaded from the daily builds page |
| 19:47:44 | bluebrother | yeah, but when installed correctly the ipod says something like "Rockbox bootloader" upon boot |
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| 19:48:19 | bluebrother | and, did you reboot the ipod completely? Apple usually doesn't turn it off completely but only goes in some suspend-mode |
| 19:48:22 | craigp | That would be related to the problem I'm having. It doesn't give any booting message. Perhaps I should try and grab older bits? I tried todays and yesterday's. |
| 19:48:38 | craigp | I rebooted it via Menu+Pause/Play |
| 19:48:55 | bluebrother | I don't know the keys, don't have an ipod. They should be in the manual |
| 19:49:22 | craigp | I did reboot the iPod completely... I even opened it up and disconnected the battery to make sure. |
| 19:49:25 | SteveGotthardt | markun: i dont see any data out on the 8751 |
| 19:49:35 | bluebrother | the bootloader is independend from the firmware itself. If the bootloader doesn't come up you don't need to bother about broken Rockbox versions ;-) |
| 19:49:52 | bluebrother | in that case it looks like installing the bootloader failed |
| 19:51:14 | craigp | I didn't get anything that looked like an error message from the commands that were to build the bootloader. Only a mention of Seek error - reading 63 sectors instead, which seems to be rather normal based on web searches. |
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| 19:51:27 | markun | SteveGotthardt: No, it's not possible: "If the address is not recognised or the R/W bit is '1', the WM8751L returns to the idle condition and wait for a new start condition and valid address." |
| 19:53:38 | craigp | I'm going to try and install the bootloader via windows and see if that does any better. TTFN. |
| 19:54:26 | bluebrother | sorry, can't help you any further. No own ipod experience |
| 19:54:31 | bluebrother | good luck |
| 19:54:46 | craigp | Thanks. BTW, I'm using an Intel MAC −− perhaps there's a problem there... |
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| 20:07:24 | Kasperle | there were a few paragraphs about rockbox in a popular german computer magazine btw (in an article about custom firmware on "embedded" devices) |
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| 20:08:35 | Kasperle | the text as ok, but a page earlier there was some image of an mp3 player with rockbox on the screen, the images subtext being "... blahblah linux blahblah..." |
| 20:09:12 | n1s | Kasperle: yes, that seems to be a very common missunderstanding :-/ |
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| 20:09:51 | Kasperle | the paragraphs about rockbox do not mention linux at all, odd way to screw it up |
| 20:15:00 | craigp | It's confirmed. The rockbox boot install doesn't work on my Intel-based Mac Pro Dual 64-bit Xeon duals. |
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| 20:25:47 | lowlight | craigp: file a bug report |
| 20:30:03 | Slasheri | hehe, just fixed the 5.5G crash with playlists :) |
| 20:31:26 | petur | lowlight! |
| 20:31:40 | petur | I could have used 'make plugins' earlier :) |
| 20:31:42 | lowlight | petur! |
| 20:31:52 | miepchen^schlaf | is the rockbox-sound better than the original-firmware-sound? |
| 20:32:26 | petur | miepchen^schlaf: you should expect at least the same quality with rockbox |
| 20:32:28 | rasher | Depending on which player you have, probably not |
| 20:32:37 | rasher | (but not worse either) |
| 20:32:38 | petur | + true gappless,... |
| 20:33:06 | miepchen^schlaf | i plan to buy a 5.5g ipod |
| 20:33:36 | lowlight | petur: I'm not brave enough to touch configure without someone else looking at it first :) |
| 20:33:51 | petur | I don't know that area either |
| 20:38:29 | bluebrother | Kasperle, you're referring to the recent article in c't? |
| 20:41:16 | petur | any button action code handling expert around? |
| 20:48:37 | Slasheri | miepchen^schlaf: i would say next week 30GB 5.5G ipod works ok |
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| 20:54:20 | Kasperle | bluebrother: yeah |
| 20:56:43 | Nimdae | i found another problem with the english.lang file ;) |
| 20:56:58 | petur | mahna mahna? |
| 20:57:07 | Nimdae | when deleting a directory, it says to hit select to confirm...which isn't correct |
| 20:57:12 | Nimdae | you hit play to confirm |
| 20:57:16 | Nimdae | anything else to cancel |
| 20:57:19 | Nimdae | and mahna mahna |
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| 20:57:30 | petur | on h340 you hit navi |
| 20:57:33 | scorche` | do do dooooo do do do |
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| 20:58:06 | Nimdae | i'm pretty much ditching the ipod folders that were on there, heh |
| 20:58:12 | Nimdae | i haven't booted the ipod firmware in a long tim |
| 20:58:15 | Nimdae | *time |
| 20:58:41 | * | petur only gets into iriver firmware by accident ;) |
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| 21:00:34 | Nimdae | heh, i signed up for urge music's 14 day free trial and now have like 50 new albums |
| 21:00:37 | Nimdae | free |
| 21:00:58 | Nimdae | no |
| 21:01:01 | Nimdae | 250 |
| 21:02:09 | petur | DRM? |
| 21:02:20 | Nimdae | it is when you download it |
| 21:02:34 | Nimdae | it doesn't stay that way for me |
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| 21:03:24 | Nimdae | i'd consider subscribing to urge if the software didn't suck |
| 21:03:44 | Nimdae | it's worse than itunes |
| 21:03:49 | Nimdae | but it has a good library |
| 21:03:50 | petur | you remove drm without loss or doing burn 'n rip? |
| 21:04:48 | Nimdae | i end up transcoding it to ogg eventually so i just do a transcode |
| 21:05:12 | scorche | eek |
| 21:05:28 | Nimdae | dump to wav, then encode to ogg ;) |
| 21:05:34 | * | scorche shakes his head at Nimdae |
| 21:06:35 | Nimdae | actually, microsot related services (urge included) tend to use higher bitrates...i have a good ear for hearing artifacts and i can't tell the difference between my resulting oggs and the original cds |
| 21:06:58 | scorche | whatever makes you happy |
| 21:07:05 | * | scorche shakes his head again |
| 21:07:09 | Nimdae | the only problem i have is they aren't gapless :( |
| 21:08:26 | Nimdae | that and the urge music store runs like crap |
| 21:08:50 | Nimdae | anyway, i'm gonna go play in the texas snow |
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| 21:38:43 | unleet | Im trying to install RockBox on my Iriver H-10 6gb and i replaced the H10.mi4 file and added the specified files and it just says that the system files are corrupt. any help? |
| 21:41:35 | unleet | I put the H10.mi4 in the system directory via ums, now im supposed to put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.h10 into "main" directory via ums. Correct? |
| 21:42:47 | unleet | I did that and when i next turn the unit on, after discing from the usb, it just says my system files are corrupt |
| 21:43:36 | lowlight | what do yo mean "main" directory? |
| 21:44:03 | unleet | When i double click on the iriver disk when its in ums it brings up the whole iriver directory |
| 21:44:08 | unleet | the first directory |
| 21:44:50 | lowlight | yes. .rockbox goes in the drive root. |
| 21:45:11 | unleet | and rockbox.h10 correct? |
| 21:46:15 | lowlight | either in the drive root or in .rockbox |
| 21:46:49 | unleet | "Note that the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your player’s drive" |
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| 21:47:07 | unleet | "If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a file called rockbox.h10 in the main folder of your player’s drive, and also a folder called /.rockbox, which contains a number of other folders and system files needed by Rockbox." |
| 21:47:54 | unleet | it goes in the root drive. Its telling me the H10.mi4 file is corrupted or something when i try to use it. |
| 21:48:11 | unleet | system files corrupted. |
| 21:48:18 | lowlight | Does it say "Loading Rockbox..."? |
| 21:48:30 | unleet | No |
| 21:48:49 | lowlight | Then it's a problem with the H10.mi4 file |
| 21:48:50 | unleet | It brings up a white box saying "System files are corrupted...blahblah" |
| 21:49:14 | unleet | I've tried the ums H10.mi4 and the mtp H10.mi4 |
| 21:49:40 | unleet | Im hoping its not a problem with my player. |
| 21:50:39 | lowlight | Put back the original H10.mi4 file and reboot. |
| 21:51:26 | unleet | that works fine, ive tried |
| 21:51:41 | unleet | It's just getting the rockbox H10.mi4 to work |
| 21:52:06 | bluebrother | is the System folder system and hidden? |
| 21:52:35 | unleet | yes in UMS mode. I can't access it via mtp |
| 21:52:54 | unleet | in ums mode i have to type G:\System or w/e into the address bar |
| 21:52:57 | lowlight | Then you'll have to wait till barrywardell comes around...he's the H10 dev |
| 21:53:18 | unleet | I can access the System folder |
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| 21:54:02 | unleet | hmm I see |
| 21:54:04 | bluebrother | it's not about accessing, afaik the System folder needs its attributes set to something specifically |
| 21:54:11 | bluebrother | iirc it was system and hidden |
| 21:54:26 | tucoz | pixelma: I just noticed the updated usb-image (h120). Looks real nice :) |
| 21:54:34 | unleet | Hmmm |
| 21:54:44 | unleet | Should not matter if the folder is hidden |
| 21:54:57 | unleet | I can access it and switch out the mi4 files just fine |
| 21:55:08 | unleet | but only the iriver mi4 works |
| 21:55:13 | pixelma | tucoz: hehe... thanks :) |
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| 21:56:33 | tucoz | the former imge looked kinda....unfinished |
| 21:56:43 | pixelma | tucoz: I'm currently at the fmradio.tex - what exactly was it you wanted me to change from 32 to 64? |
| 21:56:58 | tucoz | the number of presets |
| 21:57:15 | tucoz | It is currently possible to defince 32 presets |
| 21:57:21 | tucoz | 64 i mean |
| 21:57:26 | unleet | I will try once more to get my H1.mi4 to work. |
| 21:57:34 | unleet | H10.mi4* |
| 21:58:19 | pixelma | tucoz: ah thanks - there was another number with the value of 32 (length of the station name) that's what confused me |
| 21:59:57 | bluebrother | unleet, afaik it _does_ matter what attributes the folder has as the system checks this |
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| 22:00:21 | unleet | I see. |
| 22:00:43 | unleet | Well I dont exactly have time to wait around. |
| 22:00:44 | unleet | Umm |
| 22:01:02 | unleet | Can I Change The Folder From Hidden? |
| 22:01:43 | lowlight | bluebrother: it doen't matter in this case because the H10's bootloader is responsible for loading the H10.mi4 file |
| 22:02:02 | unleet | Thats what I thought. |
| 22:02:10 | bluebrother | lowlight, iirc it matters for that bootloader |
| 22:02:35 | lowlight | if it mattered, it wouldn't load the iriver H10.mi4 either |
| 22:02:58 | bluebrother | does it load the iriver .mi4 after changing around stuff? |
| 22:03:07 | unleet | yes. The original |
| 22:03:12 | unleet | Not the rockbox though |
| 22:04:26 | bluebrother | hmm. Tried redownloading the file? |
| 22:04:42 | unleet | Tried downloading the ums and the mtp version |
| 22:04:43 | PaulPosition | Doesn't it go like iriver->h10.mi4->rockbox.h10 ...? |
| 22:05:03 | unleet | Yes, you put the H10.mi4 in the system directory |
| 22:05:04 | unleet | then |
| 22:05:06 | Jaelae | hmmm i wonder if i can get windows media player to sync to my ipod rockbox |
| 22:05:13 | PaulPosition | bluebrother -> just unhid my system folder (h10, 5gb) and it still works like a charm. |
| 22:05:17 | unleet | you put the /.rockbox folder and roxkbox.h10 next |
| 22:05:23 | * | petur gives gui_synclist a puzzled look |
| 22:05:48 | unleet | Maybe unhiding my system folder would fix it? |
| 22:05:56 | bluebrother | PaulPosition, then it must be something else. I just had something like that in my head |
| 22:06:12 | bluebrother | maybe it was the system flag on that folder ... |
| 22:06:21 | PaulPosition | unleet - It won't change anything to unhide it.. shouldn't anyway. |
| 22:06:24 | petur | If I exit a gui_synclist with left, it exits but also does another left in the tree (where I end up after the menu). WTF? |
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| 22:06:27 | bluebrother | maybe something completely different. |
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| 22:06:59 | PaulPosition | unleet - have you tried redownloading, in case the file *really* is corrupted?!? |
| 22:07:26 | unleet | <unleet> Tried downloading the ums and the mtp version |
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| 22:07:36 | unleet | None of them work\ |
| 22:09:36 | unleet | No ideas |
| 22:10:54 | lowlight | the file is either corrupt or not encrypted properly so the H10 bootloader won't load it. |
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| 22:11:17 | PaulPosition | Yeah, I do understand that. I'll restate : "...maybe the file really got corrupted". It does happen sometimes. |
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| 22:11:33 | unleet | Sorry about that. Random disconnect |
| 22:12:38 | lowlight | unleet: the file is either corrupt or not encrypted properly so the H10 bootloader won't load it. |
| 22:13:40 | Arathis | unleet: I think you need this bootloader: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10_5GB-MTP/ |
| 22:13:52 | unleet | If its not encrypted properly, than there is nothing I can do? |
| 22:14:06 | lowlight | hmm...there should really be md5's for those bootloaders |
| 22:14:42 | unleet | Let me try that mi4 |
| 22:14:44 | PaulPosition | unleet - That's why I suggested a re-download. And only of the one file that should apply to your model (either UMS or MTP). And then, after you have deleted the first downloads from your download folder (or desktop or wherever you dl files to).. |
| 22:15:20 | unleet | I delete them and redownload them and nothing seems to work. |
| 22:15:26 | unleet | Give me a minute. |
| 22:17:37 | unleet | The mi4 file for iriver is considerably larger than the rockbox one. Thats not a problem, correct? |
| 22:18:30 | PaulPosition | around 80k vs 4mb ? |
| 22:18:40 | PaulPosition | mine's like that. |
| 22:18:56 | Jaelae | hmmm |
| 22:19:01 | unleet | 56kb for rockbox |
| 22:19:14 | unleet | and I have no clue for iriver. like 4-5mb |
| 22:19:21 | Jaelae | Microsoft finally did something right. SyncToy for Windows Vista lets vista compare two folders and keep them in sync |
| 22:19:29 | Jaelae | e.g. my music folder and my ipod rockbox music folder :) |
| 22:19:43 | unleet | I got rid of vista yesterday. It wasnt recognizing my H10 |
| 22:19:59 | Jaelae | i had to mess with it a bit, but so far it's working swell |
| 22:20:08 | PaulPosition | Oh.. MTP. Mine is UMS, must account for the variation. |
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| 22:20:29 | unleet | UMS and MTP are the same, are they not |
| 22:20:34 | unleet | in file size |
| 22:20:47 | unleet | i have both here and they are both 56kb |
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| 22:20:54 | PaulPosition | unleet - seems not. If they were exactly the same, why do you think there'd be two files? |
| 22:21:19 | unleet | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ |
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| 22:21:32 | unleet | both the H10.mi4's on there are the same size |
| 22:21:37 | lowlight | I *think* they just have different encryptions |
| 22:22:23 | unleet | Paul could you send me "your" ums mi4 file so I can test it out? Maybe via email? |
| 22:22:23 | lowlight | in fact, I'd be surprised if the H10 20GB was a different size |
| 22:22:36 | Bagder | yes, they're encrypted with different keys |
| 22:22:40 | PaulPosition | lowlight - Ah ok.. I dunno then.. Ohh! True, I have Angryman's custom bootloader (he changed the logo.. duh!) |
| 22:23:05 | PaulPosition | could that be why mine is 82k instead of 56? |
| 22:23:17 | unleet | Different picture = different size |
| 22:23:19 | Bagder | very likely due to a bigger image |
| 22:23:29 | PaulPosition | Makes sense. |
| 22:23:31 | lowlight | there really should be md5's for the bootloaders to check the file |
| 22:24:00 | petur | who knows something about gui_synclist_do_button ? |
| 22:24:54 | unleet | Paul would you mind sending me or somebody sending me the mi4 file they are using at the moment. |
| 22:25:25 | PaulPosition | unleet - Is your player MTP? |
| 22:25:26 | webguest99 | petur: have you noticed the reminder? |
| 22:26:03 | unleet | when its loading it says "BootLoader 1.10" |
| 22:26:06 | petur | webguest99: yeah ;) but I want to get this property thing committed first. One small bug is blocking me... |
| 22:26:43 | bluebrother | Bagder, I just noticed that the stable download page links to the daily manual. Wouldn't it be good to have the old 2.5 manual available on that page? Quite a lot has changed. |
| 22:26:46 | unleet | "Boot 1.10" and pfd something |
| 22:27:02 | Bagder | bluebrother: good idea |
| 22:27:39 | unleet | When the player loads it says "Boot 1.10" and "PFD initialize" |
| 22:27:47 | webguest99 | petur: ok, now I know that that's deep in your head! |
| 22:27:50 | unleet | If that helps |
| 22:28:09 | petur | webguest99: no, just in a mailfolder here on my pc ;) |
| 22:29:09 | webguest99 | BTW, one note about a missing key in the description of the pitch screen menu in the manual got unnoticed today. I read the IRC log and (as I've done smth. for the pitch screen) it got my attention. |
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| 22:29:44 | n1s | webguest99: you are free to fix it ;-) |
| 22:30:39 | * | petur gives up and prepares to commit with known little bug :( |
| 22:30:44 | webguest99 | Ok, I'll maybe create a patch. But if you have five minutes it's quickly done |
| 22:30:59 | webguest99 | petur: waht are you working on? |
| 22:31:07 | unleet | Paul....? |
| 22:31:13 | PaulPosition | PFD initialize ? mine says 'MTP initialize'... Is you're H10 radio-less? (The 'pure' models?) |
| 22:31:24 | lowlight | petur: you doing action_signalscreenchange before returning to the previous screen? |
| 22:31:25 | petur | webguest99: file and directory properties |
| 22:31:28 | unleet | No it is not. |
| 22:31:38 | unleet | It says "pfd initialize" |
| 22:31:38 | petur | lowlight: I think not |
| 22:31:59 | petur | lowlight: what does that do? |
| 22:32:08 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. I know some people reported problems with that a long time ago. dunno what 'pfd' stands for. :o |
| 22:32:24 | PaulPosition | I mean, had problem with pure (no FM) players. |
| 22:32:27 | PaulPosition | not your... |
| 22:32:32 | webguest99 | petur: is there an FS task? So that I can prepare for a good patch? |
| 22:32:49 | unleet | The right side says "Boot 1.10" in white and the left side says "pfd initialize" in black |
| 22:32:52 | lowlight | petur: signals a screen change ;) |
| 22:32:54 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5742 |
| 22:33:17 | lowlight | petur: /* call this whenever you leave your button loop */ |
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| 22:33:25 | petur | aha |
| 22:33:37 | PaulPosition | unleet - sorry, wish I had any idea but I ran short of 'em. |
| 22:33:39 | PaulPosition | :( |
| 22:33:45 | unleet | Hmm |
| 22:33:46 | petur | the word 'bingo' comes to my mind |
| 22:33:59 | unleet | i will look up "pfd initialize" on google. |
| 22:34:37 | unleet | If you have MTP 2.51 firmware installed in your player, "PFD INITIALIZE" are displayed at the right bottom in a boot screen. |
| 22:34:46 | unleet | ok I have MTP |
| 22:35:11 | unleet | Should i change my firmware to ums? |
| 22:36:22 | unleet | mistic river shows me instructions to install the ums firmware from mtp. Should I? |
| 22:36:52 | PaulPosition | You shouldn't have to, I didn't as UMS trick isn't much tricky anyway. |
| 22:36:56 | * | webguest99 wishes petur good luck, puts the reminder in petur's ears and head and quits |
| 22:36:58 | petur | lowlight: \o/ thanks! |
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| 22:37:36 | unleet | But, I need the mtp H10.mi4(rockbox) correct? |
| 22:38:34 | PaulPosition | unleet - Yeah, that's the one you should need. Make sure you're connected in UMS mode too, as connecting normally will *also* allow you access to some folders but not everything will be clean. |
| 22:39:08 | unleet | Ok. |
| 22:39:19 | PaulPosition | unleet - I can give you my bootloader, but I guarantee NOTHING and I mean it. I don't know if it could crash anything, but the nice gent that compiled it put a big warning and I simply follow suit.. :p |
| 22:39:54 | unleet | If it crashes my player I can just put the old mi4 back on. |
| 22:40:51 | PaulPosition | unleet - If your screen shows either 'ums mode' or 'emergency mode' during connection that's good. I doubt it could really damage anything but I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE. |
| 22:41:13 | unleet | It does show emergency connection via ums trick |
| 22:41:48 | PaulPosition | (I mean, the bootloader I use...) Anyway, here it is if your next try wih the official one doesn't work : http://pages.videotron.com/waltrego/H10.mi4 |
| 22:42:22 | unleet | Thank you Very Much |
| 22:46:39 | unleet | Lets see here... |
| 22:47:35 | PaulPosition | If the other one didn't work, I can't see a change in some picture making a diff.. :o |
| 22:47:44 | PaulPosition | but who knows. |
| 22:48:20 | unleet | Computers do work kinda strangely |
| 22:48:53 | unleet | Im in the programming/robotics field and things dont always work as planned. |
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| 22:51:03 | unleet | Thank You For The Support. I'll Chek Back Tommorrow Around This Time With Details. |
| 22:51:17 | PaulPosition | ood luck |
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| 22:51:21 | PaulPosition | good that is. |
| 22:51:27 | unleet | Thanks. |
| 22:52:14 | unleet | Cya Later |
| 22:52:50 | lowlight | haha...ebay...BRAND NEW TOSHIBA F40 GIGABEAT WITH ASS. |
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| 23:04:13 | goffa | with ass |
| 23:04:15 | goffa | ? |
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| 23:07:57 | Bagder | working with streaming video makes you get quite bored on the snippets that goes over and over again... |
| 23:08:49 | kellyG | hi all...can anyone help me w a new iHP120 i just got and am having some problems with? |
| 23:09:27 | goffa | what's going on kellyG? |
| 23:09:42 | kellyG | hi..well, it won't powerr up |
| 23:09:57 | kellyG | it does sometimes and it will sometimes if i reset it |
| 23:09:58 | goffa | like nothing at all? |
| 23:10:08 | kellyG | off and on |
| 23:10:17 | goffa | um.. anything display on the screen when it won't? |
| 23:10:38 | kellyG | hold appeared for a second then disappeared |
| 23:10:44 | goffa | oh |
| 23:10:49 | goffa | slide the hold button |
| 23:10:53 | goffa | and try again |
| 23:10:53 | kellyG | while i was trying to reset it |
| 23:11:29 | goffa | also.. how long did you charge the battery? |
| 23:11:49 | goffa | i had to charge mine for quite some time before i could turn it on initially |
| 23:11:50 | kellyG | not very long, i just got it in the mail |
| 23:11:55 | kellyG | how long should i charge it? |
| 23:12:01 | goffa | try 3 hours |
| 23:12:04 | kellyG | can i "overcharge" it |
| 23:12:06 | goffa | no |
| 23:12:23 | kellyG | ok cool..maybe i am overeager |
| 23:12:52 | goffa | you may be able to play with it while its plugged in |
| 23:12:52 | kellyG | also when it was on..it was just scrolling through folders and stuff song by song when i wasnt doing anything..i couldnt get it to play |
| 23:13:11 | goffa | yeah... the original firmware kinda sucks |
| 23:13:15 | kellyG | will the green charge light go out when its done? |
| 23:13:25 | goffa | i don't believe it will |
| 23:13:44 | kellyG | well, i just put rockbox in and i couldnt get it to boot up w rockbox |
| 23:13:48 | goffa | i've got a 140.. but seems to me like it just goes green when its plugged in period |
| 23:13:52 | kellyG | let me ask this... |
| 23:14:14 | rasher | I'm pretty sure the charge light goes off when charged on h1xx |
| 23:14:26 | kellyG | after i put in rockbox and use the regular power button, will rockbox open or the orig firmware |
| 23:14:41 | goffa | rockbox will |
| 23:14:44 | kellyG | or do i have to do rec/power |
| 23:14:50 | goffa | if its installed propperly |
| 23:14:58 | kellyG | ok..and rec/power will do the orig firmware right? |
| 23:15:00 | goffa | to get to original firmware you use rec/power |
| 23:15:04 | goffa | yeah |
| 23:15:05 | kellyG | ok cool |
| 23:15:25 | goffa | and believe rasher on the charge thing.. i never really paid attention |
| 23:16:11 | kellyG | well, this is what i did..patched the hex file..put that in the root then got the latest bleeding edge which gave me 2 folders when unzipped .rockbox and rockbox.iriver...i then copied those to the root |
| 23:16:21 | kellyG | is that the right way? |
| 23:16:47 | kellyG | ive done it a few yrs ago and thats what i did and it worked..i just got this one off ebay and hope i didnt get a piece of junk |
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| 23:18:41 | kellyG | hello? |
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| 23:19:27 | kellyG | will it work weirdly if not fully charged? it seemed to turn on and off when i reset it, but i'd hate to have to reset as an ON/OFF switch |
| 23:19:42 | kellyG | and rockbox never came up |
| 23:19:42 | goffa | oh .. sorry.. had to go on a call |
| 23:19:43 | goffa | back now |
| 23:19:49 | kellyG | hey goffa |
| 23:20:07 | goffa | you have to flash the firmware from rockbox |
| 23:20:10 | goffa | so you're almost there |
| 23:20:13 | kellyG | above i wrote what i did to install rockbox is that right? |
| 23:20:24 | kellyG | how do i flash it from rockbox? |
| 23:20:33 | goffa | put hex in root |
| 23:20:35 | goffa | then boot rockbox |
| 23:20:43 | kellyG | i have the hex, .rockbox and rockbox.iriver in my root |
| 23:20:45 | goffa | er sorry |
| 23:20:50 | | Part n1s |
| 23:20:51 | goffa | then boot original firmware |
| 23:21:00 | goffa | after its booted hold navi button down |
| 23:21:10 | kellyG | whats the navi button? |
| 23:21:18 | goffa | joystick button in the center |
| 23:21:21 | kellyG | ok |
| 23:21:28 | goffa | go into general |
| 23:21:34 | kellyG | what does that do>? |
| 23:21:35 | kellyG | ok |
| 23:21:36 | goffa | then firmware upgrade |
| 23:21:43 | kellyG | damn..i hope i didnt buy a dud |
| 23:21:50 | goffa | i doubt you did |
| 23:22:01 | kellyG | can i use it while it is charging? |
| 23:22:05 | goffa | yeah |
| 23:22:08 | goffa | just don't unplug it |
| 23:22:41 | goffa | once you flash the firmware... you should then be able to boot into rockbox |
| 23:22:58 | kellyG | i just cant get it to power up |
| 23:23:21 | goffa | check your hold button... is hold on or off? |
| 23:23:39 | kellyG | alright it is uponce in general what dio i do to flash? |
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| 23:23:48 | goffa | go down to firmware upgrade |
| 23:24:10 | kellyG | dont have that |
| 23:24:20 | goffa | um.. did you select general? |
| 23:24:29 | kellyG | ok..i got it |
| 23:24:29 | goffa | or just see it? |
| 23:24:32 | goffa | ok |
| 23:24:41 | kellyG | ok..firmware upgrade is highlighted |
| 23:24:48 | kellyG | do i hold navi down? |
| 23:25:08 | goffa | um.. no |
| 23:25:10 | goffa | just press it |
| 23:25:32 | kellyG | cool |
| 23:25:38 | kellyG | its doing it now |
| 23:25:46 | goffa | cool.. don't remove power :) |
| 23:25:58 | kellyG | i really appreciate this goffa :) |
| 23:26:03 | goffa | no problem |
| 23:26:14 | kellyG | now it turned off on its own is that normal? |
| 23:26:19 | goffa | yeah |
| 23:26:23 | goffa | now turn it back on :) |
| 23:27:11 | kellyG | nothing :( |
| 23:27:26 | kellyG | it seems i can only turn it on if i reset. |
| 23:27:38 | goffa | nothing like won't come on.. or nothing as in.. it booted to original firmware? |
| 23:27:42 | kellyG | if looking at it upright how should the hold button be? |
| 23:27:53 | kellyG | nothing as in nothing comes on at all |
| 23:28:05 | goffa | hold should be closest to the ab button |
| 23:28:10 | goffa | or power |
| 23:28:24 | goffa | further away from the usb port |
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| 23:29:53 | goffa | i'll be back in 15 |
| 23:30:13 | kellyG | ok |
| 23:30:32 | * | petur looks at build table and crosses fingers |
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| 23:32:51 | preglow | fat chance |
| 23:34:51 | kellyG | can anyone tell me why an iHP120 would just be scrolling thru thr songs/files one at a time one after the other when i push play? |
| 23:35:08 | kellyG | it wont do elapsed time at all, just starts scrolling song by song |
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| 23:35:34 | petur | no/incompatible codecs? |
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| 23:36:17 | kellyG | ??? |
| 23:36:29 | kellyG | just got a new one off ebay and am loading it up |
| 23:37:11 | kellyG | damn, just scrolling thru songs |
| 23:37:28 | petur | in the wps? |
| 23:37:38 | kellyG | yes |
| 23:38:00 | petur | you did unzip a complete rb zip onto it? |
| 23:38:12 | kellyG | no |
| 23:38:14 | kellyG | yes |
| 23:38:17 | kellyG | i did |
| 23:38:23 | kellyG | sorry |
| 23:38:40 | kellyG | its doing it in the orig firmware |
| 23:38:55 | kellyG | and i am charging it..how long does a charge take? |
| 23:39:08 | petur | some hours |
| 23:39:14 | kellyG | ok |
| 23:39:32 | petur | argh... red builds :( |
| 23:39:47 | kellyG | will i have a hard time powering up if the charge is low? so far i can only bootup by pushing reset |
| 23:40:07 | rasher | petur: Forgot about charcell did we? |
| 23:40:07 | kellyG | even while plugged in and charging |
| 23:40:18 | petur | damn |
| 23:40:36 | * | petur slaps forehead *hard* |
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| 23:41:46 | kellyG | ok..i am getting somewhere.,.rockbox came up |
| 23:42:06 | kellyG | but under a song title i have (root) (root) and nothing plays |
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| 23:42:58 | kellyG | no id3 |
| 23:43:05 | kellyG | ?k bit |
| 23:43:14 | * | Bagder hands petur 80 points |
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| 23:43:48 | Fooboy | I need help. |
| 23:44:00 | petur | yeah yeah... |
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| 23:44:23 | blue_lizard | I need money. |
| 23:44:29 | blue_lizard | wrong channel here? |
| 23:44:49 | Fooboy | I've tried to install rockbox on my ipod 30g v.5 and now it isn't responding to anything and seems to be competely bricked. Can anyone help? |
| 23:45:36 | kellyG | if i loaded tunes up before i loaded rockbox will rockbox not be able to find them or play them? i see my folders and files but when i try to play i get a mssg that says no file! |
| 23:45:43 | Kasperle | Fooboy: disconnect it from USB. then engange and disengange the hold switch. then press and hold menu and the center button |
| 23:46:07 | kellyG | ITS NOT CONNECTED TO usb |
| 23:46:11 | kellyG | oops |
| 23:46:20 | Kasperle | Fooboy: it should reboot then. when you see the apple logo, you can press and hold play and the center button which should put it to disk mode |
| 23:46:25 | blue_lizard | i dont have an ipod |
| 23:46:29 | blue_lizard | but afaik |
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| 23:46:49 | blue_lizard | itunes gives the files totally fu***d up names |
| 23:46:56 | Fooboy | Kasperle: thanks so much! It worked perfectly! |
| 23:46:59 | LinusN | Slasheri: your iriver is in the mail, you should have it by monday |
| 23:47:21 | * | LinusN has a brand new iPod 5.5G 80GB |
| 23:47:32 | Fooboy | phew I was worried there for a moment |
| 23:47:37 | kellyG | duh...after i put in RB, the REC button becomes the power button right? |
| 23:47:48 | petur | LinusN: woohoo |
| 23:47:58 | Bagder | LinusN: is it shiny? ;-) |
| 23:48:08 | LinusN | it's black and shiny |
| 23:48:27 | LinusN | and soon bricked and shiny :-P |
| 23:48:29 | Bagder | now poke it till it obeys |
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| 23:49:27 | petur | the 5.5G fanboys will be happy |
| 23:49:29 | preglow | LinusN: didn't you already have a 5g? :) |
| 23:49:50 | * | petur watches the nagging begin |
| 23:49:58 | LinusN | preglow: yes |
| 23:50:03 | goffa | back |
| 23:50:38 | kellyG | hi |
| 23:50:57 | kellyG | goffa - after i do RB the power button is the REC button right? |
| 23:51:28 | kellyG | i am powering up ok now using the REC button as the power button |
| 23:51:48 | kellyG | and rockbox is there..except w some prob;ems |
| 23:52:25 | goffa | odd |
| 23:52:30 | goffa | power button should be the power button |
| 23:52:45 | goffa | you only need to use record if you want to boot into orig firmware |
| 23:52:54 | kellyG | well,,when i tried to play songs it scrolls thru them one after the other |
| 23:52:59 | goffa | hmm |
| 23:53:08 | goffa | in the .rockbox folder.. do you have a codecs folder? |
| 23:53:12 | kellyG | it wont let time elapse and even play at all, it just goes file after file |
| 23:53:15 | blue_lizard | kellyG: what kind of songs? |
| 23:53:25 | goffa | they aren't wma are they? |
| 23:53:29 | blue_lizard | better said which codec? |
| 23:53:31 | kellyG | i am testing a beatles album to test the gapless |
| 23:53:39 | kellyG | yeah they are WMA |
| 23:53:45 | goffa | that's your problem |
| 23:53:46 | blue_lizard | lol |
| 23:53:55 | goffa | neither rockbox or original firmware support wma |
| 23:54:03 | kellyG | also in rockbox i get a mssg that says no file and ?k bit and (root) (root) |
| 23:54:15 | kellyG | ok so convert files rto something else? |
| 23:54:18 | goffa | yeah.. it doesn't know what to do with it really |
| 23:54:24 | kellyG | ok..thanks |
| 23:54:24 | goffa | re rip if possible |
| 23:54:28 | * | petur wonders why it tries to start playing them in the first place |
| 23:54:29 | kellyG | ill try WAVs |
| 23:54:42 | goffa | yeah.. or flac |
| 23:54:48 | goffa | they'll be HUGE |
| 23:54:51 | kellyG | it can play flac? |
| 23:54:53 | goffa | but you won't lose quality at least |
| 23:54:54 | goffa | yeah |
| 23:55:04 | kellyG | i have GD stuff on flac |
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| 23:55:09 | goffa | cool |
| 23:55:12 | kellyG | 1G per show |
| 23:55:21 | kellyG | gotta make em smaller |
| 23:55:23 | goffa | yeah.. some of them can be big |
| 23:55:42 | goffa | ogg sounds pretty good for lossy... musepack is good too |
| 23:55:45 | * | petur hands Bagder back the 80 points 'don't need them' :p |
| 23:55:56 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:56:15 | kellyG | so when ripping from a commercial CD what is the best way...i used windows media thats why i got WMA i guess |
| 23:56:28 | kellyG | i have ez cd extractor |
| 23:56:30 | petur | EAC rules |
| 23:56:35 | kellyG | oh yeah |
| 23:56:39 | kellyG | i have EAC also |
| 23:56:44 | goffa | um... if i was you i'd use eac |
| 23:56:45 | kellyG | never used it |
| 23:57:33 | Soap | kellyG: EAC in secure mode is the best Windows way to rip. |
| 23:57:55 | scorche|palm | fourthed ;-) |
| 23:57:58 | Soap | ez cd extractor rips in burst mode. |
| 23:58:18 | kellyG | EAC doesnt have any ids on a beatles album./..wtf? |
| 23:58:29 | Soap | Ctrl+G |
| 23:58:47 | Soap | (i believe) to grab info from external FreeDB |
| 23:58:48 | goffa | um.. you probably have to go through the setup and use cddb |
| 23:58:50 | goffa | or whatever |
| 23:58:52 | goffa | er freedb |
| 23:58:56 | goffa | soap beat me to it |
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