| 00:00:08 | Soap | here |
| 00:00:18 | goffa | yeah.. i don't remember how to set up freedb |
| 00:00:22 | goffa | off the top of my head |
| 00:01:02 | Soap | there are tons of excellent EAC setup guides on the net, and this is not really the best place. |
| 00:01:12 | kellyG | ok, thanks |
| 00:01:14 | Soap | I don't have EAC on my work machine here. |
| 00:01:36 | goffa | i think its on the eac menu |
| 00:01:38 | goffa | in preferences |
| 00:01:43 | goffa | or setup.. something like that |
| 00:01:49 | goffa | don't remember the exact place |
| 00:02:15 | petur | EAC -> freedb/database options |
| 00:02:25 | petur | (F12) |
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| 00:02:53 | kellyG | then what? |
| 00:03:03 | kellyG | get active freedb? |
| 00:03:07 | kellyG | nothing happens |
| 00:03:09 | goffa | um |
| 00:03:18 | goffa | i think you have to put a fake email address in the email spot |
| 00:03:24 | kellyG | i did |
| 00:03:24 | * | petur observes his repaired squeezebox2 is now already in Germany and does a little SB dance |
| 00:04:08 | goffa | hmm... i think you can ok out of that... then ctrl g |
| 00:04:27 | goffa | i'm grabbing eac now |
| 00:04:40 | kellyG | ok..back in about 20 or so |
| 00:04:49 | kellyG | sorrty..gotta pick up my bro at school |
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| 00:06:24 | Genre9mp3 | petur: squeezebox? the device that plays pandora? |
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| 00:06:43 | petur | could be, I only play my own stuff on it |
| 00:06:49 | goffa | hmm... no audio cd |
| 00:06:57 | goffa | i doubt i'll be much help when he gets back |
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| 00:07:53 | goffa | or she.. i guess i never asked |
| 00:08:52 | goffa | i like the linux script i have.. slap a cd in the drive.. type multirip... wait |
| 00:09:12 | goffa | encodes to flac and mpc |
| 00:09:25 | goffa | names tags, whole works |
| 00:09:33 | rasher | Sounds like abcde |
| 00:09:45 | goffa | probably similar |
| 00:10:42 | goffa | yeah.. looks the same looking at the page |
| 00:10:51 | petur | anybody have any problems with accepting this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6394 |
| 00:11:40 | goffa | if it works.. nope :) |
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| 00:21:30 | blue_lizard | what does one have to do to have an patch accepted into the mainline? |
| 00:21:38 | * | petur is unsure about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6387 - adding duplicate strings just to get the ID right is a bit overkill |
| 00:22:00 | petur | blue_lizard: nagging. lots of nagging. And a good patch of course ;) |
| 00:22:10 | blue_lizard | nagging? |
| 00:22:12 | blue_lizard | ok |
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| 00:22:30 | blue_lizard | is "a good patch" defines somewhere? |
| 00:22:51 | petur | follow the coding rules, they are in the wiki |
| 00:24:01 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html |
| 00:24:24 | rasher | And a wanted feature |
| 00:24:30 | rasher | You might want to discuss it here first |
| 00:24:41 | blue_lizard | "Keep lines below 80 columns length" <- ?? |
| 00:24:49 | blue_lizard | damned |
| 00:24:52 | petur | for wanted features, press 1 or visit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1 :) |
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| 00:25:22 | blue_lizard | i try first to realize my wanted features |
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| 00:27:43 | rasher | Oh of course. But discussing it here first might make it easier to get it accepted. |
| 00:28:23 | rasher | If it's a plugin, you just have to make sure it works on most targets, and we'll pretty much accept anything |
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| 00:30:09 | blue_lizard | ok thx |
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| 01:34:27 | jba | hey does anyone know fo a resonably stable build for iriver h10 ? |
| 01:34:32 | jba | or do i just take todays daily? |
| 01:34:42 | preglow | whatever is the newest is probably what you want |
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| 01:35:41 | jba | cool thanks |
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| 01:59:04 | Sherv | anyone awake here? :) |
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| 01:59:34 | venox | hey... I think rockbox is not displaying correctly my nano battery status |
| 01:59:49 | venox | I've charged it right now |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | venox | and it's showing just a line on the battery meter |
| 02:00:04 | venox | any ideas? |
| 02:02:22 | tychver | do restart |
| 02:02:44 | venox | hmm, nah... rockbox is acting like that since I've installed it |
| 02:04:42 | tychver | weird |
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| 02:07:48 | Sherv | well, I'll spout off my question now, I was wondering whether any other iAudio X5 users have noticed a weird behaviour with the "next" function of the joystick while in the WPS. Using the latest daily build, sometimes when I try to advance through an album or playlist the device will quit out of the WPS and go to the browser. I'm not pressing down on the joystick to leave the wps, so I'm... |
| 02:07:49 | Sherv | ...wondering whether this is a possible software issue....more likely it's hardware :( I just got the new unit two days ago, too |
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| 02:26:57 | pixelma | Sherv: IIRC there was someone in the forum who also reported this |
| 02:27:13 | Sherv | really? I did a search but wasn't quite sure how to write the query |
| 02:27:25 | Sherv | I'll try again, thanks! |
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| 02:30:09 | Exxeh | Hey |
| 02:30:25 | Exxeh | 0.o anyone on? |
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| 02:31:39 | Exxeh | Anyways, I'll just quickly tell my problem |
| 02:31:50 | Exxeh | I have the new 80gb iPod Video |
| 02:32:04 | Exxeh | And looking to install Rockbox on it |
| 02:32:27 | Exxeh | I'm up to the point where I'm trying to find my iPod via iPodpatcher in CMD |
| 02:32:55 | Exxeh | Interesting enough, iPod patcher is not finding anything, ipodpatcher 0-26 |
| 02:33:21 | pixelma | the Ipod 5.5g with 80GB hard drive isn't supported yet |
| 02:34:00 | myzar | at all. |
| 02:34:03 | myzar | not even buggy support |
| 02:34:20 | Exxeh | Oh, so is that why its not recognizing? |
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| 02:35:58 | Exxeh | Aight, thanks guys |
| 02:35:58 | Exxeh | Exxeh out |
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| 02:50:20 | Sherv | ahh, there we go, found that post in the archived thread |
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| 02:51:54 | Sherv | hm, great, sounds like it may be a hardware issue |
| 02:51:55 | Sherv | oh well |
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| 02:52:09 | Sherv | no surprises there, damn mp3 players and their lack of solid design |
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| 02:54:09 | jhMikeS | Sherv: the button reading might need debouncing. |
| 02:55:07 | Sherv | Debouncing, eh? Heh...what does that mean? |
| 02:55:49 | UncleRoger | Quick question: The Rockbox homepage says that the Ipod "Video 5.5th gen" is not supported −− is that what Apple calls the "Late 2006" version? (Sorry if this isn't the right place; I couldn't find this info on the website.) |
| 02:56:04 | tychver | yup |
| 02:56:46 | UncleRoger | Drat. Are there plans to support it in the future? (Near future?) |
| 02:56:48 | jhMikeS | The value read from the ADC can vary enough to read an incorrect button until it stabilzed. debouncing waits for a stable reading before returning a button press. |
| 02:57:23 | Sherv | oh, wow...interesting! |
| 02:57:56 | Sherv | Thanks for that info, I guess I'll wait until a stable release comes along and then, if necessary, file a bug report |
| 02:57:58 | jhMikeS | I think the iRivers are set up to get the same reading twice before concluding which button is down |
| 02:58:51 | jhMikeS | It's really that bad for you? I find the glitch very occasional. |
| 02:59:12 | Sherv | well, today it was reallllllly bad |
| 02:59:23 | Sherv | it was about every 7th or 8th button press |
| 02:59:40 | Sherv | now that I'm intentionally trying to get it to occur, it has only happened once in over 100 presses |
| 02:59:41 | Sherv | go figure :) |
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| 03:00:03 | jhMikeS | makes sense to me :) |
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| 03:14:45 | zylche | kcikass, rockbox install is working so far |
| 03:14:50 | zylche | wheeeeeeeeeeee |
| 03:17:08 | jhMikeS | Someone told me SID codec didn't support the PCM but it plays out. :\ |
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| 03:18:40 | zylche | damn, rockbox error -1 /after/ unzipping the daily build into the ipod.. |
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| 04:20:34 | tychver | how long should it take to buffer elephants dream when playing it on an ipod video? |
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| 04:24:23 | t0dk0n | If you compile plugins from source, does it compile it into a rock? |
| 04:24:50 | scorche | you compile the whole build |
| 04:25:01 | t0dk0n | ah |
| 04:25:12 | scorche | and the rockbox will be generated with it |
| 04:25:17 | scorche | errr...rocks |
| 04:25:31 | t0dk0n | ahh, do you have to use the generation of it? |
| 04:25:37 | scorche | huh? |
| 04:26:00 | t0dk0n | I mean, if you compile it, can you just keep the rock and copy it over to what you already have? |
| 04:26:13 | t0dk0n | on your device, that is |
| 04:26:23 | scorche | in some cases |
| 04:26:26 | scorche | just try it |
| 04:26:33 | t0dk0n | alrighty, thanks |
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| 05:46:14 | jibgilmon | hi ppl |
| 05:46:22 | jibgilmon | anyone actually here? |
| 05:46:36 | tychver | yup |
| 05:47:02 | jibgilmon | are u familiar with the daily builds? |
| 05:47:25 | tychver | reasonably |
| 05:47:34 | jibgilmon | r u familiar with ipl at all? |
| 05:47:39 | tychver | nope |
| 05:47:51 | jibgilmon | well im running a bootloader on my nano |
| 05:47:57 | tychver | I considered if for my ipod video but couldn't find a compelling reason |
| 05:48:09 | jibgilmon | and i have a rockbox dailybuild on it |
| 05:48:11 | jibgilmon | but |
| 05:48:18 | jibgilmon | its missing a model |
| 05:48:25 | jibgilmon | so i wanted to install the daily bui;d |
| 05:48:28 | jibgilmon | daily* |
| 05:48:35 | jibgilmon | do u know how to do it through a loader? |
| 05:49:12 | scorche | can you please rephrase?...i have no idea what you are asking |
| 05:49:13 | tychver | nope, I just use the rockbox loader and unzip them into the root directory of my ipod when I want to use a more recently compiled version from CVS |
| 05:49:27 | jibgilmon | scorche |
| 05:49:35 | scorche | jibgilmon |
| 05:49:38 | jibgilmon | im using an ipl bootloader on my ipod |
| 05:49:47 | jibgilmon | on the bootloader i have rockbox |
| 05:49:56 | jibgilmon | im trying to put a newer version on |
| 05:49:59 | jibgilmon | do you know how? |
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| 05:50:08 | scorche | the same way you would any other time |
| 05:50:17 | scorche | just unzip a new build to the root |
| 05:50:38 | jibgilmon | u dont understand, i need it to launch through the loader |
| 05:51:15 | scorche | yeah...the loader just launches whatever rockbox.ipod file you have there |
| 05:51:34 | jibgilmon | but i dont know where it is |
| 05:51:36 | jibgilmon | lol |
| 05:51:39 | scorche | where what is? |
| 05:52:04 | jibgilmon | rockbox.ipod |
| 05:52:07 | jibgilmon | and the loader |
| 05:52:11 | scorche | it should be on the root of the device |
| 05:52:22 | scorche | the bootloader is on a seperate partition of the HD |
| 05:52:52 | jibgilmon | lol thx |
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| 06:07:24 | JdGordon | haha who is the last.fm user in the rockbox group fro antarctica? |
| 06:08:12 | tychver | there are actually a few hundred people in Antarctica at any one point you know... |
| 06:08:15 | scorche | there is a rockbox group? |
| 06:08:36 | JdGordon | http://www.last.fm/group/Rockbox+Users |
| 06:09:05 | tychver | at one point the satellite connection to south pole base was faster than the connection between Australia and NZ |
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| 06:17:24 | ScoTTie | before the southern cross link ? |
| 06:17:33 | ScoTTie | one path of that goes to NZ |
| 06:18:08 | tychver | yeah |
| 06:18:15 | tychver | early 80s |
| 06:18:25 | ScoTTie | lol |
| 06:18:25 | tychver | entire of nz was on under 500kb/s |
| 06:20:25 | Reolosi | ouch. |
| 06:25:43 | tychver | we still don't have huge ammounts now |
| 06:26:51 | Reolosi | NZ's internet is better than AU's now, isn't it? |
| 06:33:59 | tychver | god no, |
| 06:34:06 | tychver | aus has ADSL2+ |
| 06:49:46 | Reolosi | heh, only in central melbourne and central sydney |
| 06:49:55 | Reolosi | 99% of the country is still capped to 1500/256 with monthly download limits |
| 06:50:10 | Reolosi | while i believe in NZ 5mbit and 8mbit are available |
| 06:50:24 | ScoTTie | im pretty sure other states have ADSL2 |
| 06:50:27 | Reolosi | (the ADSL2+ services are 24Mbit down, 1Mbit up, usually with a 100GB/month limit) |
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| 07:07:38 | tychver | in NZ it's either 256/2048/unlimited |
| 07:07:45 | tychver | some plans are 3.5mbit |
| 07:08:11 | tychver | all the plans with a decent data cap, more than 10gigs, are capped at 128k upload |
| 07:08:50 | tychver | I pay NZD65 a month for 1GB a day with 2mbit down and 128k up |
| 07:14:02 | Jaelae | when loading a WPS Theme, you just need to load the theme - and then load the wps under settings - display ... right? |
| 07:14:17 | Jaelae | Because the theme i got for my iPod 5g it loads the theme but still has real small font |
| 07:16:23 | Jaelae | ah −− nevermind :P |
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| 08:02:12 | * | Slasheri spots unnecessary #ifdef for dircache in the new plugin |
| 08:02:41 | Slasheri | _cached functions can be used always, even if there is no dircache at all |
| 08:05:39 | myzar | :o |
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| 08:25:29 | mick_home | anyone know if the map code is available online? i like the "add yourself" feature |
| 08:25:45 | Bagder | mick_home: rasher is mr map man |
| 08:25:59 | mick_home | i've implimented something similar: http://wiki.clamwin.com/index.php/ClamwinWorldWide (also xplanet) −− but i need to update it myself |
| 08:26:24 | mick_home | not to mention, i used osxplanet and i can't figure out for the life of me how to make it work w/ xplanet :D |
| 08:27:00 | * | mick_home pokes rasher :) |
| 08:27:26 | rasher | mick_home: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/people.zip">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/people.zip |
| 08:27:33 | mick_home | i'd love to simplify the process ;) |
| 08:27:37 | mick_home | cool, thanks |
| 08:27:52 | rasher | It's not the exact same version as shown, but the main elements are there |
| 08:28:15 | rasher | The xplanet images are generated off site, I can give you the script ofr that too if you want |
| 08:28:19 | mick_home | ok, i guess if i need something i'll write it myself |
| 08:28:37 | mick_home | sure - why not :) |
| 08:33:15 | rasher | mick_home: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/generatemaps.sh">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/generatemaps.sh |
| 08:33:29 | mick_home | many thanks ;) |
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| 08:34:12 | rasher | You'll want to disallow read access to the file "users.ini" |
| 08:34:23 | rasher | Using .htaccess or similar |
| 08:34:37 | mick_home | which is what, the list of people's names? |
| 08:34:51 | rasher | And locations, and retrieving codes :) |
| 08:35:17 | mick_home | well i've been posting names and lat / long |
| 08:35:32 | mick_home | many people use nicks - so whatever |
| 08:35:51 | rasher | Well, the retrieving codes allow them to change their location |
| 08:35:56 | mick_home | and i'm aleady googlable −− if you want to find me −− you will ;) |
| 08:35:57 | rasher | Also, their email addresses |
| 08:36:19 | rasher | And you must get a google API key |
| 08:36:23 | mick_home | emails are kept in the bot, so that will probably be taken out |
| 08:36:35 | mick_home | it uses the google api? |
| 08:36:43 | rasher | Yes, the "add yourself" is google maps |
| 08:36:51 | mick_home | *sigh* that is what i wanted to not use :-P |
| 08:36:57 | rasher | Ah, sorry |
| 08:37:02 | rasher | May I ask why not? |
| 08:37:15 | mick_home | oh well - i'll write my own frontend to xplanet |
| 08:37:34 | mick_home | i'm just not a fan |
| 08:37:57 | rasher | I see. But you said you liked the add yourself page? |
| 08:38:00 | rasher | So why not use it |
| 08:38:23 | mick_home | ya, i guess |
| 08:39:28 | rasher | The index page in the zip uses google maps as well - but with that script I gave you, it generates a markerfile for xplanet, so you can do whatever you like |
| 08:41:52 | mick_home | what is the difference between first and second gen. nanos? |
| 08:42:06 | Bagder | everything |
| 08:42:34 | JdGordon | not _everything_ |
| 08:42:36 | Bagder | the similarities are very few |
| 08:43:20 | mick_home | well, i have a black nano −− that is as much as i know :-P |
| 08:45:56 | mick_home | http://www.bluebuy-media.com/bilder/apple_ipod/ipod_nano_1gb_schwarz.jpg <−− this is pretty much wht i have |
| 08:46:04 | mick_home | it isn't 1gb |
| 08:46:09 | mick_home | but that ishow it looks |
| 08:46:19 | mick_home | at least i don't think it is 1gb.. hmmm |
| 08:46:41 | rasher | Does it have a metal case, or is the front in plastic? |
| 08:47:12 | mick_home | metal and it gets scratched easily ;) |
| 08:47:30 | mick_home | also, if i replace the firmware, can i make it look exactly like it currently looks? (i pretty much want to swap the firmware w/o my wife knowing) |
| 08:48:24 | mick_home | so i can magically play ogg/flac :) (and i don't get my ass beat for touching "her" ipod) :) |
| 08:54:23 | mick_home | any very noticable missing features? (compared to the firmware on the nano) |
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| 08:55:38 | mick_home | i guess the second generation nanos are the plastic encased ones? |
| 08:55:49 | scorche | metal |
| 08:55:53 | rasher | All metal |
| 08:56:06 | mick_home | so i'm out of luck anyway ;) |
| 08:56:27 | rasher | mick_home: For the nano, mostly reduced battery time and no accessories (not sure if they work with the nano) |
| 08:56:43 | rasher | And they have rounded sides |
| 08:57:02 | mick_home | what do you mean by "accessories"? |
| 08:57:30 | mick_home | the "rounded sides" comment is another thing that i'm wondering what exactly you mean ;) |
| 08:57:31 | rasher | Stuff like fm transmitters and such. But I don't know if they are available for the nano anyway |
| 08:57:40 | rasher | Hm |
| 08:57:44 | mick_home | bleh, no need for me |
| 08:59:18 | rasher | http://www.flickr.com/photos/carpeaqua/242593606/in/set-72157594282958843/ |
| 08:59:25 | rasher | 1G on the left, 2G on the right |
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| 09:00:19 | mick_home | rasher: ah ok - mine is the left one |
| 09:00:23 | rasher | 1g then |
| 09:00:33 | mick_home | which is good i take it :D |
| 09:00:54 | mick_home | since i saw the pic @ the daily wiki page |
| 09:01:20 | mick_home | how many people completely ruin their nano by updating the firmware? |
| 09:01:33 | rasher | Yeah, 1G is the only one that works with Rockbox |
| 09:01:34 | mick_home | i mean turn it into a paperweight |
| 09:01:38 | Bagder | mick_home: so far about: zero (0) |
| 09:02:00 | mick_home | oh yes - :D i'm definitely putting it on this lil sucker ;) |
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| 09:02:40 | * | mick_home reads the manual |
| 09:02:47 | mick_home | only 129 pages |
| 09:02:58 | mick_home | i thought the gcc info page was big |
| 09:03:04 | mick_home | *sigh* oh well ::::::::) |
| 09:03:13 | mick_home | damn kb got stuck |
| 09:03:17 | tychver | GCC info page is considered the concise version |
| 09:03:32 | tychver | only the GCC develops actually know how all of GCC works |
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| 09:04:32 | tychver | btw iPodLinux's mv_player uses Mpeg4 video and raw wav sound? |
| 09:05:42 | Bagder | try #ipodlinux for that |
| 09:05:51 | * | Bagder has no idea |
| 09:05:54 | mick_home | gcc is black magic as far as i'm concerned :-P |
| 09:06:29 | tychver | I'm trying to find out what the ipods are actually capable of decoding in real time with a single core |
| 09:06:56 | mick_home | for usability purposes... in the manual add how to convert from HFs= to FAT32 |
| 09:07:09 | mick_home | ;) |
| 09:07:36 | mick_home | any docs that say "go elsewhere" and don't provide at least a link... are ummmm "lacking" |
| 09:07:41 | mick_home | IMHO |
| 09:07:48 | Bagder | "IPL currently only plays decompressed video" |
| 09:07:55 | Bagder | => http://ipodlinux.org/Mv_player |
| 09:08:05 | rasher | mick_home: Manual is unfinished in a number of places |
| 09:08:14 | rasher | mick_home: I'll dig up a wiki link for you, hang on |
| 09:08:16 | mick_home | i see it is a draft |
| 09:08:18 | tychver | The MV Player is a compressed video player |
| 09:08:32 | tychver | it took out the quotation marks :( |
| 09:08:35 | Bagder | tychver: ... yes, but it only plays decompressed ones ;-) |
| 09:08:58 | Bagder | that's a strange way to make a compressed video player |
| 09:09:22 | tychver | there the IPL "Movie player" too |
| 09:09:25 | mick_home | rasher: thanks −− is there a LaTeX or DocBook version where i could "fill in the blanks" and submit diffs? |
| 09:09:39 | tychver | that's what there talking about with the it only plays decompressed video I believe |
| 09:09:48 | rasher | mick_home: the cvs module "manual", help is more than welcome |
| 09:09:54 | tychver | it plays mpeg2 video and pcm sound I think |
| 09:10:03 | tychver | MV player plays mpeg4 and pcm sound |
| 09:10:04 | rasher | mick_home: And it's LaTeX |
| 09:10:12 | tychver | but only it 176x144 I think |
| 09:10:13 | * | mick_home checks out the manual via cvs |
| 09:10:13 | Bagder | tychver: their wiki page claims different |
| 09:10:28 | Bagder | "What is MV Player?" |
| 09:10:31 | mick_home | rasher: i have a horrible habit of contributing to projects that i like ;) |
| 09:10:36 | Bagder | "...only plays decompressed videos" |
| 09:10:52 | Reolosi | What specification do I need to check for to know if a set of headphones will be good on portable devices (iPods)? Power handling? Impedance? I know it's not a Rockbox question, but I ask here because I'm sure you're all educated about portable audio. |
| 09:10:52 | Bagder | mpeg4 is not decompressed |
| 09:11:25 | Bagder | mick_home: oh crap, you'll be one of us soon then! ;-P |
| 09:12:31 | mick_home | i'll need to change my cloak :-P |
| 09:12:39 | petur | the rockborg |
| 09:12:40 | rasher | mick_home: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX has info about how to convert to FAT, either the easy way (use the ipod on a windows computer) or the hard way (described) |
| 09:13:20 | mick_home | great, i need to get out the Mac :) (somehow i was thinking that Debian would be the easiest...) |
| 09:13:44 | mick_home | no biggy |
| 09:14:10 | rasher | Oh, it is |
| 09:14:13 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 09:14:38 | mick_home | i have no idea why this is so exciting for me... i think it is because i wanted to mess w/ this thing since my wife got it XD |
| 09:15:36 | mick_home | lol @ "If your iPod crashes..." |
| 09:15:42 | tychver | badger: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13935&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 |
| 09:15:57 | rasher | That page doesn't have instructions for converting from HFS->FAT though |
| 09:16:13 | Bagder | tychver: yes? |
| 09:16:25 | tychver | that post discusses the MV_player, not officially part of IPL yet, but plays mpeg4 in ipod resolution with pcm sound |
| 09:16:48 | tychver | at a whopping 8-15fps depending on bitrate |
| 09:16:57 | scorche | (semi-offtopic, but i could use some help): i have demuxed an mpeg2 file...i wish to edit the audio (specifically to copy the left channel to the right channel) and then remux the file...unfortunately the program that i usually use for editing audio (audacity) doesnt like mp2 files...suggestions? |
| 09:17:20 | mick_home | ok, if my wife decides to come after me w/ a knife −− is there a way to extract the firmware from the ipod and reinstall? |
| 09:18:13 | LinusN | mick_home: yes, have her stab the ipod |
| 09:18:17 | tychver | sorche, extract it to a wav, any kind of transcoding is going to kill the quality |
| 09:19:39 | * | mick_home reads the docs some more |
| 09:21:29 | mick_home | anyone working on a point and click gui to install rockbox? |
| 09:21:41 | mick_home | something so laymen can set it up |
| 09:22:02 | mick_home | might broaden the userbase a bit |
| 09:22:25 | hcs | probably not a good idea until a new release... |
| 09:22:32 | scorche | mick_home: there will be one when the ipod port will be released |
| 09:22:38 | tychver | yeah |
| 09:22:39 | scorche | in the mean time, there are unofficial ones |
| 09:22:55 | mick_home | ya? hmm |
| 09:23:18 | mick_home | is there a roadmap? |
| 09:25:27 | LinusN | no |
| 09:25:43 | Bagder | but there is a map! |
| 09:25:45 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 09:25:50 | mick_home | :-P |
| 09:25:54 | tychver | I'll bet that ipod nano resolution mpeg2 is possible with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio |
| 09:26:08 | Bagder | of course |
| 09:26:42 | tychver | I shouldn't think that 320x240 is possible without the second core or the broadcom chip though |
| 09:26:42 | Bagder | mpegplayer flies on that afaiu |
| 09:27:01 | mick_home | Bagder: from the op -i take it you are an/the admin? |
| 09:27:15 | LinusN | we are many |
| 09:27:32 | mick_home | how many admins do you guys have? |
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| 09:27:43 | * | petur hides |
| 09:27:45 | LinusN | we have several admin on dofferemt syste,s |
| 09:27:48 | tychver | the admin shall be many and the admins shall be few |
| 09:27:49 | LinusN | hjgsphgs |
| 09:28:00 | petur | rofl |
| 09:28:05 | * | LinusN can't type today |
| 09:28:15 | Bagder | cna nerve tpey |
| 09:28:16 | webguest99 | petur: from properties.c: "const char* kgb[4]" he-he-he! |
| 09:28:46 | LinusN | ahaaaaa! gotcha! |
| 09:28:56 | Bagder | mick_home: we're various admins on various systems |
| 09:29:27 | mick_home | which one can i bug about creating a roadmap and setting some priorities :-P |
| 09:29:36 | Bagder | mick_home: the dev list |
| 09:29:45 | Bagder | but don't hold your breath for that kind of stuff |
| 09:29:51 | mick_home | heh |
| 09:29:52 | Bagder | we all have our own prios |
| 09:30:00 | mick_home | i guess it is more "organized chaos" |
| 09:30:04 | Bagder | yeah |
| 09:30:19 | tychver | I was/am an admin for atomic linux, we haven't/never accomplished anything other than a useless gentoo portage overlay |
| 09:30:20 | mick_home | we run a much tighter ship w/ clamwin :-P |
| 09:30:22 | LinusN | that's as far as you can come with voluntary spare time projects |
| 09:30:24 | Bagder | and not so organized at times ;-) |
| 09:30:40 | mick_home | LinusN: not true |
| 09:30:51 | Bagder | no, it depends on the project and the members |
| 09:30:56 | LinusN | sure |
| 09:31:08 | mick_home | i'm really organized and i keep devs on their toes :D |
| 09:31:19 | LinusN | good for you |
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| 09:31:22 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:31:23 | * | mick_home cracks his whip |
| 09:31:35 | Bagder | then rockbox will be a challange for you ;-) |
| 09:31:39 | petur | oh no, not another one |
| 09:31:45 | mick_home | lol |
| 09:32:06 | LinusN | "another visitor...stay a while...staaaaay forever!" |
| 09:32:19 | mick_home | ? |
| 09:32:21 | * | Bagder gets that nostalgia C64 look |
| 09:32:24 | scorche | petur: what are you doing talking on IRC? Get to optimizing now! |
| 09:32:43 | petur | heh, I'm at work, I should be working :p |
| 09:32:45 | tychver | I'm going to try and finish the scrolling acceleration over the next couple of weeks... |
| 09:32:45 | LinusN | i wish i had time to work with my new 5.5g |
| 09:33:25 | mick_home | do you guys get a lot of donated hw? |
| 09:33:28 | Bagder | LinusN: "listen guys, I'll be at a meeting for the rest of the day, do not disturb please" |
| 09:33:31 | LinusN | mick_home: no |
| 09:33:36 | mick_home | "please get XYZ working" type of stuff |
| 09:34:05 | Bagder | mick_home: we get a lot of requests and whiners though |
| 09:34:08 | mick_home | w/ a cool project like this, you guys should at least get new hw :-P |
| 09:34:17 | LinusN | mick_home: we get money |
| 09:34:21 | LinusN | donations |
| 09:34:26 | mick_home | Bagder: i guess open source is open source ;) |
| 09:34:29 | LinusN | and we buy hw with that |
| 09:34:35 | Bagder | mick_home: oh yes |
| 09:34:50 | mick_home | "i want onaccess scanning. NOW!" |
| 09:34:55 | * | mick_home shivers |
| 09:35:31 | tychver | I don't want to whine an moan, I want to figure out how rockbox works and learn C properly but fiddling with it |
| 09:35:47 | tychver | guess I'm in a bit of a minority eh |
| 09:35:50 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:35:55 | LinusN | tychver: that's the spirit |
| 09:36:02 | mick_home | :) |
| 09:36:09 | LinusN | this is a gem: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=518385&postcount=9 |
| 09:36:10 | Bagder | well, to be fair we have a large amount of skilled contributors |
| 09:36:55 | tychver | yeah, the unofficial patches are a pretty good sign of that |
| 09:37:53 | LinusN | we also have our fair amount of half-baked patches that never end up in cvs |
| 09:37:57 | mick_home | rotfl - that sounds like a clamwin user :-P |
| 09:38:07 | LinusN | mick_home: nice one, isn't it? |
| 09:38:20 | tychver | I suspect that I'm going to become the author of several of those :P |
| 09:38:23 | mick_home | i stopped reading our forums :-P |
| 09:38:31 | LinusN | mick_home: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
| 09:38:34 | mick_home | i just can't take it anymore |
| 09:38:38 | Bagder | 310 open patches |
| 09:38:55 | mick_home | geez, at least you have some good contributors |
| 09:39:17 | JdGordon | speaking of open patches... #6399 is ready for review |
| 09:39:17 | Reolosi | Anyone? |
| 09:39:17 | LinusN | unfortunately, some of those patches are ready to be committed, but the devs don't have the time to do it |
| 09:39:45 | mick_home | we have ~5 main developers / contributors −− and we don't get many contributions at all :-( |
| 09:39:57 | tychver | yeah, and some of the patches have been made redundant already (scrolling acceleration patch) |
| 09:40:10 | mick_home | we have a big userbase though (which is nice to a degree) |
| 09:40:23 | hcs | rockbox is an awesome new platform to develop for |
| 09:40:36 | LinusN | Reolosi: i don't know the specs, but i guess any pair of earbuds will do just fine |
| 09:41:06 | LinusN | mick_home: that's because organized projects are so boring :-P |
| 09:41:20 | mick_home | ok, to go back to my original qyuestion - can i make it look very similar to how my nano currently looks? |
| 09:41:32 | mick_home | LinusN: :-P |
| 09:41:33 | LinusN | mick_home: yes, but only in the wps |
| 09:41:54 | LinusN | the navigation will still be different |
| 09:41:56 | mick_home | right (i take it that that is rockboxish for "skin") ? |
| 09:42:10 | LinusN | wps = while playing screen |
| 09:42:31 | tychver | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2 |
| 09:42:47 | mick_home | and can i revert to the firmware that is currently on it if i have to? |
| 09:43:01 | tychver | wikipedia seems to think that 320x240 mpeg2 with the spatial profile and main level takes 384kbits |
| 09:43:24 | Bagder | mick_home: you can boot up in Apple's OS by pressing some key while starting it |
| 09:43:32 | Bagder | or revert completely |
| 09:43:33 | scorche | menu |
| 09:43:40 | mick_home | tychver: wikipedia also recommends people use winpooch −− that should say something about the quality of some of the articles :-P |
| 09:43:40 | scorche | and holding it...not press =) |
| 09:44:01 | * | Bagder will improve one day |
| 09:44:21 | mick_home | Bagder: so it has some builtin thing to revert? |
| 09:44:37 | Bagder | mick_home: the install page describes the revert procedure too, afair |
| 09:44:44 | mick_home | woot |
| 09:44:51 | mick_home | so i have nothing to loose |
| 09:45:01 | Bagder | mick_home: only your wife's trust ;-) |
| 09:45:08 | mick_home | LOL |
| 09:45:15 | * | mick_home gets started |
| 09:45:29 | mick_home | i feel bad for the wives of geeks sometimes |
| 09:45:37 | mick_home | ok, not always... but sometimes ;) |
| 09:45:41 | LinusN | hide the kitchen knife first |
| 09:45:48 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 09:45:53 | mick_home | hahaha |
| 09:45:57 | mick_home | : |
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| 09:45:59 | mick_home | :D |
| 09:46:03 | Bagder | you can tell LinusN is experienced in this art |
| 09:46:14 | LinusN | and prepare to sleep on the sofa |
| 09:46:26 | LinusN | with one eye open :-) |
| 09:46:36 | tychver | mick_home: I looked through the article's references and I can't see it mentioning those specific numbers in any of them :S |
| 09:46:44 | mick_home | after taking the laptop apart - that is where i am sleeping |
| 09:46:47 | mick_home | j/k ;) |
| 09:46:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:49:27 | tychver | ugh, I just found out why the spatial profile has such a low bitrate, it struggles to deal with motion |
| 09:49:50 | tychver | scratch using that, it's like watching a it through webcam |
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| 09:50:22 | Kingstone | anyone here? |
| 09:50:28 | petur | nope |
| 09:50:28 | LinusN | not a single soul |
| 09:50:33 | Kingstone | good |
| 09:50:40 | Kingstone | i wanted to know something about ipodpatcher |
| 09:50:42 | Kingstone | is it GPL? |
| 09:51:03 | Kingstone | on what license is it based on? |
| 09:51:49 | LinusN | from the wiki: "The two executable programs are licensed under the GNU GPL" |
| 09:52:36 | Kingstone | thanks |
| 09:52:42 | Kingstone | so just one last question |
| 09:53:09 | Kingstone | if i want to use ipodpatcher.exe in my program, my program needs to be too under GPL and i need to publish the soruce code? |
| 09:53:18 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:53:30 | Kingstone | i'm talking about just the binary, not ipodpatcher's source code, right? |
| 09:53:54 | LinusN | well, if you use the binary, your program doesn't have to be gpl |
| 09:54:04 | Kingstone | oh, so only source code? |
| 09:54:16 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:54:42 | LinusN | but, if you redistribute the binary, the source code must be available from you |
| 09:55:01 | Kingstone | what do you mean? |
| 09:55:13 | Kingstone | if my program is in a zip and i put ipodpatcher.exe there |
| 09:55:25 | Kingstone | i need to provide source code for my program? |
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| 09:55:39 | LinusN | if you distribute ipodpatcher.exe in your zip, you must also be able to provide the source code for ipodpatcher upon request |
| 09:55:50 | Slasheri | hmm, i just implemented a hack for the hardware sector size detection. At first we try to mount assuming the sector size 512 and if that fails, then with 2048 again |
| 09:56:05 | Kingstone | for ipodpatcher, not for my whole program, right? |
| 09:56:06 | Slasheri | and then fat also uses the real logical sector size |
| 09:56:11 | Slasheri | seems to work now :) |
| 09:56:14 | LinusN | Kingstone: right |
| 09:56:35 | Kingstone | Slasheri, this might not be the best idea |
| 09:56:40 | LinusN | Slasheri: good |
| 09:56:50 | LinusN | why not? |
| 09:56:53 | Slasheri | Kingstone: i have no idea how else it could be done |
| 09:57:01 | Kingstone | there seem to be a value hardcoded somewhere in the hardware |
| 09:57:09 | Kingstone | which says the sector size |
| 09:57:13 | tychver | baseline profile mpeg4 part 10 (h264) does 320x240 at 20fps for 384Kbit/s :D |
| 09:57:19 | Slasheri | ok, then that could be used |
| 09:57:28 | LinusN | Kingstone: tell me more |
| 09:57:33 | Kingstone | but me and the ipl guys couldn't find it |
| 09:57:38 | Kingstone | i know windows can |
| 09:57:41 | Kingstone | using ioctl command |
| 09:57:51 | Kingstone | but dunno how to do it from the ipod itself |
| 09:57:58 | Kingstone | for now we use the mbr |
| 09:58:20 | LinusN | Kingstone: but the disk itself doesn't have 2048 byte sectors, does it? |
| 09:58:33 | Kingstone | it does, why not? |
| 09:58:39 | Kingstone | apple seems to save it in offset 11 |
| 09:58:43 | LinusN | because no other hard drive has it? |
| 09:58:47 | Kingstone | but it sometimes BE and sometimes LE |
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| 09:59:06 | Kingstone | what do you mean no other hard drive has it? why is that? |
| 09:59:17 | petur | can't we use offset 0x0b in the bootsector: bytes per sector? or is that value not there? |
| 09:59:23 | LinusN | because 512 byte sectors is kind of an industry norm |
| 09:59:44 | LinusN | i believe even the ATA spec uses 512 byte sectors |
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| 10:00:29 | Kingstone | this maybe true but i'm saying that in fact, the real sector size is not written in the mbr |
| 10:00:42 | LinusN | of course not |
| 10:00:43 | petur | ah |
| 10:00:46 | Kingstone | windows too doesn't rely on it, it relies on the disk geometry |
| 10:00:58 | Kingstone | that's why we think it's a hardware value |
| 10:01:16 | Kingstone | but for now the best thing to do, is to use offset 0xb in the MBR |
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| 10:01:25 | * | LinusN bought a 5.5g ipod yesterday to investigate this |
| 10:01:26 | Kingstone | unsigned short value |
| 10:02:09 | LinusN | i can't think of a good technical reason to use 2048-byte sectors |
| 10:02:39 | Kingstone | that's what Apple did, not me.. |
| 10:02:42 | tychver | can x264 be run on an ipods ARM7TDMI? |
| 10:02:59 | LinusN | Kingstone: i know, but i can't understand why |
| 10:03:20 | Kingstone | http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/ipodloader2/vfs.c |
| 10:03:31 | Kingstone | look here in vfs_init() |
| 10:03:34 | Slasheri | hard drive itself has normal 512 byte sectors |
| 10:03:35 | Bagder | tychver: sure, the question is only how fast it can show anything |
| 10:03:51 | Slasheri | but partition table etc. are calculated using 2048 sectors |
| 10:05:23 | Kingstone | Slasheri, then how would you justify the fact the partition is in offset 63*2048 from the start of the disk? and not *512? |
| 10:05:55 | tychver | well there are mpeg4 codecs that run incredibly well on ARM9 based mobile phones, so I should guess that it's workable |
| 10:05:59 | LinusN | Kingstone: because they want the disk to pose as a 2048-byte disk? |
| 10:06:37 | Kingstone | when you come to a hdd, you don't know at first what is the sector size, it must be written somewhere, else, how can you calculate the relative sector position for the partitions? |
| 10:06:38 | Bagder | tychver: 1) the ARM9 cores genereally run a lot faster and 2) they may have more optimized codecs than we do |
| 10:06:42 | petur | Slasheri: then why not look for the FAT start marker at 512byte and 2048 byte offsets? or am I seeing this too easy |
| 10:07:24 | Slasheri | petur: trying to mount the partition does practically the same thing |
| 10:07:35 | Slasheri | it does not mount unless strict checks are met |
| 10:08:05 | LinusN | Kingstone: from the ATA-5 specification: "sector: A uniquely addressable set of 256 words (512 bytes)." |
| 10:08:35 | Slasheri | hmm, now i need someone to test the patch on non 5.5G to see if it breaks the fs code |
| 10:09:01 | Kingstone | i didn't say it's incorrect |
| 10:09:27 | Kingstone | but checking for 512 first and then for 2048 is too easy, u need a standard check |
| 10:09:48 | Kingstone | i'm sure it's hardcoded somewhere, we just need to find it |
| 10:09:54 | Kingstone | for now, rely on offset 0xb |
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| 10:10:21 | LinusN | Kingstone: any luck with the 80gb version? |
| 10:10:49 | Kingstone | you mean by trying to read the hdd contents? |
| 10:10:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:11:09 | mick_home | you won't believe this... i lost my damn nano |
| 10:11:12 | mick_home | "my" ;) |
| 10:11:20 | LinusN | mick_home: hide the knife |
| 10:11:22 | Kingstone | no, we're still trying to work on that |
| 10:11:29 | mick_home | i've looked evrywhere :( |
| 10:11:34 | Kingstone | it's a tough one |
| 10:11:44 | LinusN | Kingstone: i'm about to start working on that with my new 80gb ipod |
| 10:12:17 | LinusN | so any information from you guys is valuable |
| 10:12:22 | mick_home | good luck w/ that |
| 10:12:29 | Kingstone | i don't have a 5.5g, only nano 2g and regular 5g |
| 10:12:37 | Kingstone | but if i get something on that, i'll tell you |
| 10:12:43 | LinusN | goodie |
| 10:12:51 | Slasheri | LinusN: would you like to try, http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/fat.patch |
| 10:12:55 | LinusN | let's see who cracks it first :-) |
| 10:13:01 | Bagder | competition! |
| 10:13:05 | Slasheri | should work on any player |
| 10:14:27 | LinusN | Slasheri: i think LOGICAL_SECTOR_SIZE should be PHYSICAL_SECTOR_SIZE |
| 10:14:40 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Are there still bugs on your 30GB 5.5g? |
| 10:15:48 | Slasheri | LinusN: ah, true |
| 10:15:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb: not any critical ones |
| 10:16:15 | Slasheri | or in fact i just got one "white noise" bug |
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| 10:16:21 | LinusN | what about that playlist bug? |
| 10:16:28 | Slasheri | that is already fixed in cvs |
| 10:16:32 | cadu | hello guys! is there a port of rockbox for running 'hosted' inside a linux kernel? |
| 10:16:36 | Slasheri | it was a stack overflow |
| 10:16:46 | LinusN | cadu: no |
| 10:16:49 | cadu | like, running inside linux using SDL or directfb |
| 10:16:50 | Bagder | cadu: there's a simulator that can run on linux |
| 10:16:57 | Bagder | using sdl |
| 10:17:15 | cadu | <−− has a gp2x , and it's media player sucks :) |
| 10:17:17 | tychver | Badger: All the phones that go mpeg4/h264 seem to be running 200+ mhz ARM9s |
| 10:17:27 | Bagder | of course |
| 10:17:33 | Bagder | nobody does anything arm7 these days |
| 10:17:37 | cadu | gp2x is a 200+ mhz arm9 :) |
| 10:17:51 | LinusN | Slasheri: ah, that one |
| 10:18:12 | Bagder | cadu: it would be possible to get the sim as a basis for such a player |
| 10:18:20 | Slasheri | LinusN: yep, pretty simple one but it was really hard to find |
| 10:18:31 | LinusN | i can imagine that |
| 10:18:34 | Slasheri | need to implement logging deeply in the fat driver |
| 10:18:35 | cadu | Bagder： like, the gp2x is a portable that already runs arm linux |
| 10:18:44 | Slasheri | *ed |
| 10:19:28 | tychver | is there anything that offers better compression than mpeg2 and isn't as demanding as mpeg4? |
| 10:19:55 | Bagder | tychver: there's very little gain to go mpeg4 compared to mpeg2 on that tiny resolution |
| 10:19:56 | * | petur recommends a large hammer |
| 10:20:19 | Bagder | putting effort on adding sound is a better idea, imho |
| 10:21:06 | tychver | badger: really? I was under the impression that mpeg4 offered far better quality than mpeg2 at cell phone sized resolutions |
| 10:21:35 | Bagder | it should be easy enough to test of course |
| 10:21:37 | linuxstb | tychver: Do some test encodings and compare. MPEG-2 looks good to me though. |
| 10:22:05 | Slasheri | mpeg-2 is high-quality with reasonable bitrate |
| 10:22:17 | Slasheri | for example DVB broadcasting uses it also |
| 10:22:22 | tychver | well mpeg2 was already considered to be better than mpeg3 at high bitrates |
| 10:22:33 | Bagder | Slasheri: I believe there's mpeg4 dvb too |
| 10:22:38 | tychver | so why develop mpeg4 if not for low bitrates |
| 10:22:39 | linuxstb | There is indeed. |
| 10:22:52 | Slasheri | Bagder: hmm, probably that is with HDTV |
| 10:22:58 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:22:59 | linuxstb | But for High-def broadcasts (1440x1080i or 1920x1080i) |
| 10:23:05 | * | linuxstb needs to speed up |
| 10:23:11 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:23:36 | * | Bagder has a half-baked DVB-T board on his table next to him |
| 10:24:56 | linuxstb | tychver: mpeg4 is a huge standard with many different profiles aimed at various bitrate ranges. HDTV broadcasts use MPEG-4 AVC which pretty much demands a decidicated hardware decoder - general-purpose CPUs can't handle it. |
| 10:25:07 | tychver | found an article on mpeg2 vs mpeg4 |
| 10:25:10 | linuxstb | ^dedicated |
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| 10:34:12 | tychver | toms hardware guide recons that a 700mhz amd thunderbird (x86 circa early 2000) could decode 720x576 |
| 10:34:20 | tychver | were looking at 320x240 max |
| 10:34:30 | tychver | about a 5th as many pixels |
| 10:35:01 | tychver | and that was with divx which is heavily optimised for compression rather than decoding speed |
| 10:37:31 | tychver | wait, I mean quality for a given resolution |
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| 10:38:05 | tychver | it uses 1.2-3.0 times as much bandwidth as baseline mpeg4 |
| 10:38:46 | tychver | badger: I think that baseline profile 320x240 mpeg4 should be possible on an ipod |
| 10:41:31 | linuxstb | 320x240 MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 would be a struggle if mpegplayer's performance is a guide. |
| 10:41:49 | Bagder | tychver: what do you base those guesses on? |
| 10:42:00 | Bagder | "should be possible" ? |
| 10:43:12 | tychver | divx at 720x576 uses around 6Mbit/s and takes a 700mhz x86 |
| 10:43:21 | linuxstb | My 400MHz Pentium-2 could handle 720x576 MPEG-2... |
| 10:44:18 | tychver | were looking at bitrates of 384 or 480 for an ipod video screen |
| 10:46:00 | Bagder | well, can you find any arm7-based player with a single core that can play 320x240 mpeg4? |
| 10:46:04 | linuxstb | Don't forget we also have the overhead of updating the 5g's LCD, which isn't the fastest... |
| 10:46:27 | Bagder | I mean, with a framerate that is pleasing |
| 10:48:14 | tychver | http://www.us.design-reuse.com/articles/article11288.html |
| 10:48:42 | tychver | ARM7TDMI takes 20mhz to decode MPEG4 at 15fps |
| 10:48:54 | tychver | 128x96 |
| 10:50:09 | Bagder | well, I challenge you or anyone to prove that on a live target |
| 10:50:20 | linuxstb | It also depends what it means by decoding. MPEG-4 decodes to yuv, which needs to be converted to RGB to be written to the ipod's LCD. |
| 10:50:42 | tychver | also has the frequency needed for that |
| 10:50:47 | Bagder | I believe that decode number is to yuv |
| 10:50:51 | linuxstb | The yuv2rgb decoding and writing to the LCD takes a large proportion of the total time. |
| 10:51:01 | tychver | 15mhz |
| 10:51:11 | Bagder | "Based on these performance figures, we can conclude that SQCIF @ 10fps grade MPEG-4 video messaging is possible" |
| 10:51:38 | Bagder | tychver: still, theory is one thing, reality another |
| 10:51:52 | tychver | yes but remeber that's talking about encoding and decoding simultaneously |
| 10:52:26 | Bagder | if you come anywhere near those number, I'll take my hat off for you |
| 10:52:30 | linuxstb | But total decode time for QCIF@15fps (176x144) is 41MHz... |
| 10:52:40 | tychver | yeah |
| 10:52:49 | linuxstb | So 320x240@25fps or 30fps isn't going to fit in 75MHz. |
| 10:52:57 | tychver | which is almost nano resolution |
| 10:53:27 | tychver | ipod video resolution isn't happening but you could have some very happy 4th gen/ nano users |
| 10:53:40 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm sure Nano resolution mpeg-4 is feasible. I think mpegplayer manages 30fps playback already (without very much optimisation). |
| 10:54:45 | linuxstb | But to be honest, I don't think the video codec matters that much - you have to re-encode anyway to get video at the size of your LCD. |
| 10:55:27 | tychver | just made ipod video users do without fullscreen :P |
| 10:56:33 | tychver | or they can just use mpeg2 and deal with a lower playback time and bigger videos |
| 10:57:34 | tychver | the posibility is rather intoxicating |
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| 11:02:53 | tychver | it's probably easier to get the broadcom chip working than it is to get 320x240 mpeg 4 on the arm7 |
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| 11:03:52 | crashd | no progress on the broadcom as of yet? |
| 11:06:10 | tychver | Broadcom says: Highly integrated solution combining video and audio processing, polyphonic sound synthesis, an LCD controller, and 32Mbits of embedded SDRAM on a single package |
| 11:07:10 | ze | i'm curious to know about the broadcom chip and how its wired in the ipod videos and the capabilities thereof |
| 11:07:16 | tychver | yeah |
| 11:07:23 | tychver | there's a big list of capabilities |
| 11:07:29 | tychver | jpeg encode and decode for one |
| 11:07:45 | ze | with appleos tv-out only works for specific functions and i wonder if thats just limitations of the firmware or hard limits |
| 11:08:21 | ze | you know, no browsing display or anything |
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| 11:08:28 | ze | just the slideshow or video playback |
| 11:08:56 | ze | there's even expensive docks that do their own music browsing interface on the TV |
| 11:09:00 | ze | and they actually suck pretty hard |
| 11:09:04 | ze | :p |
| 11:09:22 | ze | no playlist creation support, rather limited capability in general |
| 11:09:31 | ze | not even as good as the firmware's browsing |
| 11:09:37 | ze | and they still don't browse video or pictures |
| 11:09:47 | ze | you have to switch them to video mode and then still browse on the ipod for those |
| 11:10:36 | ze | it'd be sweet if rockbox could someday do a whole interface output on the tv-out |
| 11:11:18 | ze | seems like there'd at least be a hacky way to go about that |
| 11:12:07 | tychver | you could just pipe the screen in as a jpeg and display it on the TV |
| 11:12:15 | ze | yeah thats what i was thinking |
| 11:12:55 | ze | gotta wonder what apple was thinking though not to offer such a function |
| 11:13:05 | ze | especially if its something that easy |
| 11:13:17 | * | petur gets the feeling this is one of those wild dreaming sessions |
| 11:13:23 | Bagder | indeed |
| 11:13:31 | tychver | it looks like it might be intended for use as the TV out in a digital camera |
| 11:13:34 | tychver | absolutely |
| 11:13:36 | Bagder | ze: they left out a million easy features |
| 11:13:44 | ze | Bagder: i suppose |
| 11:13:59 | ze | i haven't really used it much since its not mine and i still have my karma hehe |
| 11:14:01 | Bagder | ipod is hardly very feature-packed |
| 11:15:08 | tychver | hence using rockbox to extend functionality |
| 11:15:25 | ze | so if its a wild dreaming session, that mean there's little chance of rockbox supporting the broadcom chip? |
| 11:15:40 | Bagder | I don't think anyone is working on that |
| 11:15:58 | Bagder | so you won't step on anyone's toes |
| 11:16:22 | tychver | it's its own cpu by the looks of it |
| 11:16:25 | ze | well i'll wait for it to have basic functionality on the 80G 5.5g to start with :p |
| 11:17:08 | ze | which isn't to say that i even have the requisite skills to accomplish it anyway... |
| 11:17:43 | ze | i mainly hope that somebody with such might eventually take an interest |
| 11:17:44 | ze | *shrug* |
| 11:17:53 | * | ze goes back to watching dr who |
| 11:18:01 | tychver | dr who rocks |
| 11:18:03 | petur | do we even have datasheets of that chip? |
| 11:18:33 | tychver | broadcom are tight about any information on their chips |
| 11:18:40 | scorche | do we have datasheets of any of the chips in the ipod? |
| 11:18:45 | petur | lol |
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| 11:19:38 | ze | tychver: i like the 9th doctor the best so far, but i've only seen the 9th, 10th, and currently going through the 4th (hows that for continuity :p) |
| 11:19:57 | linuxstb | We actually do have some - the pcf50605 and the Wolfson audio codecs. |
| 11:20:05 | ze | if it wasn't for the 9th and 10th first, i'd have trouble looking past the cheesy effects of the 4th though heh |
| 11:20:11 | * | petur hasn't seen the doctor in *years* |
| 11:20:18 | LinusN | linuxstb: but not all of the wolfson codecs :-) |
| 11:20:31 | linuxstb | No, but close enough for most things... |
| 11:20:59 | linuxstb | I guess we should fix (i.e. remove) the HW eq... |
| 11:21:17 | petur | we could use a mole from inside a big DAP manufacturer... |
| 11:22:24 | petur | let's use some paypal money as a prize for broadcom and pp chip datasheets :) |
| 11:22:48 | LinusN | lol |
| 11:23:02 | LinusN | we have far too few moles :-) |
| 11:23:48 | Slasheri | hmm, i am soon going to commit the 5.5G patch :) |
| 11:23:58 | scorche | well, if i ever get a job at a manufacturer, i will toss some along ;) |
| 11:24:12 | LinusN | i guess all of us are burned in that respect :-) |
| 11:24:13 | Slasheri | now trying to get original firmware loading to work also |
| 11:24:15 | petur | Slasheri: will that code be included for all targets or just ipoo? |
| 11:24:43 | Slasheri | petur: for all targets, but 2048 byte sectors wont work with units less than 8 MB ram |
| 11:24:56 | Slasheri | (then MAX_SECTOR_SIZE is just the normal 512) |
| 11:26:16 | linuxstb | Why not just set MAX_SECTOR_SIZE to 512 for all targets apart from 5g? |
| 11:26:40 | Slasheri | hmm, that is possible to do also.. |
| 11:26:46 | Slasheri | it's just an ifdef |
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| 11:27:29 | Slasheri | do you think it would be better that way? |
| 11:32:15 | linuxstb | Does your current patch introduce 2048-byte buffers on targets where they are not needed? |
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| 11:40:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes |
| 11:40:19 | Slasheri | well, i will change it that so it's enabled only on ipod video targets |
| 11:40:35 | petur | better |
| 11:43:59 | linuxstb | Does the config sector work correctly on your 5.5g? |
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| 11:46:54 | petur | interesting result google returned: http://www.t13.org/docs2005/e05122r0-WD_Comments_on_Long_Sectors.doc |
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| 11:49:03 | Bagder | "The device indicates the 1KB sector size to the host by returning 2001h in word 106 of IDENTIFY DEVICE. This indicates that the device has 2 512 byte logical sectors to compose a 1KB physical sector." |
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| 11:50:17 | petur | they do mean the opposite: larget *physical* sectors and maintaining 512 byte logical size.... |
| 11:50:27 | petur | *larger |
| 11:51:12 | * | petur wonders what ioctl BLKGETSIZE maps to |
| 11:51:56 | petur | probably handled by the apple usb->disk code |
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| 12:02:08 | crashd | anyone know a surefire way to brick an ipod? |
| 12:02:30 | Kasperle | a hammer |
| 12:02:35 | crashd | heh, not physically damage it |
| 12:02:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why do you *want* to brick it? |
| 12:02:51 | crashd | jus stop it being recoverable, the place i bought my 5g from wont replace it because of a dodgy headphone jack |
| 12:02:56 | crashd | but they will replace it if it wont boot |
| 12:03:03 | crashd | 1year warranty kinda thing |
| 12:03:08 | Kasperle | :/ |
| 12:03:27 | Kasperle | you could probably manipulate an aupd file on the firmware partition |
| 12:03:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Somehow, I doubt they cover intentional damage, and we're not fond of fraud around here. |
| 12:03:46 | crashd | Paul_the_Nerd: thanks for being my moral fibre |
| 12:03:56 | crashd | Kasperle: yeah, i thought of that |
| 12:04:02 | crashd | it isn't fraud, im being ripped off with a dodgy unit |
| 12:04:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then go in and prove the terms of your warrant cover it. |
| 12:04:30 | crashd | they don't, clearly |
| 12:04:36 | crashd | which is why im trying to adhere to the terms |
| 12:04:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | So how exactly did you get ripped off? |
| 12:04:50 | crashd | because it's fucked? |
| 12:05:04 | crashd | i dont want a discussion on the morality or fraudulence of the situation |
| 12:05:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, you're asking for help in a place you shouldn't be, for doing something illegal. |
| 12:06:22 | crashd | drop the act kk |
| 12:06:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Drop your line of questioning. |
| 12:06:58 | crashd | i only asked once, and you've been giving me gip ever since |
| 12:07:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because we don't like discussion of how to do illegal things here. |
| 12:08:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | In fact, freenode itself has a policy on unlawful activity as well. |
| 12:08:26 | crashd | apart from reverse engineering firmwares |
| 12:08:38 | crashd | or breaking aup and t+c's on various things |
| 12:08:39 | crashd | but that's cool. |
| 12:09:37 | ze | crashd: why not fix the headphone jack yourself, or rma it through apple? |
| 12:09:47 | thegeek_ | fixing it would break warranty |
| 12:09:55 | crashd | what he said. |
| 12:09:59 | crashd | apple won't take it, i phoned them about it |
| 12:10:01 | ze | so would intentionally bricking it |
| 12:10:02 | ze | :p |
| 12:10:06 | crashd | but the place i bought it will replace it if it wont boot |
| 12:10:09 | crashd | or whatever |
| 12:10:19 | crashd | but the headphone problem is an intermittent issue |
| 12:10:23 | thegeek_ | then you dont have to brick it |
| 12:10:46 | crashd | why? |
| 12:10:47 | thegeek_ | if they replace it if it wont boot you could just format the drive or something |
| 12:10:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | He's still got to lie regarding its status and/or what he's done about it. |
| 12:10:53 | crashd | yeah, but it's recoverable then |
| 12:10:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | Please, stop discussing this in channel |
| 12:11:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | I cannot monitor PMs, but this is not the place. |
| 12:11:39 | ze | i don't think warranties are specific to the nature of the defect generally |
| 12:11:44 | ze | its defective, they should replace it |
| 12:11:51 | crashd | ze: that's what I said |
| 12:11:55 | crashd | but they seem to think differently |
| 12:11:57 | ze | maybe you didn't say it properly |
| 12:12:00 | ze | :p |
| 12:12:47 | crashd | bbe |
| 12:12:49 | thegeek_ | most warranties have a clause that voids them if the damage is intentional;P |
| 12:12:51 | crashd | mebbe |
| 12:13:45 | ze | confirm the wording of the warranty... if it supports your claim (and it probably does), see if you can get a free consultation on it and see if you can't threaten them with a legal suite that'll not only replace the unit but make them reimburse you for legal fees :p |
| 12:13:59 | ze | of course if you can go a nice way about it first, that'd be easier and better overall |
| 12:14:06 | ze | but that recourse could have potential |
| 12:14:28 | crashd | well, id love to go the decent route |
| 12:14:34 | crashd | but i just want a working mp3 player |
| 12:16:33 | linuxstb | crashd: The answer to your question is no - ipods can always be recovered unless you physically damage them. |
| 12:17:06 | crashd | thank you linuxstb |
| 12:17:10 | crashd | that's all i wanted to know |
| 12:18:32 | Kasperle | linuxstb: is there no way to overwrite the firmware in flash such that the ipod won't boot anymore? |
| 12:19:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, that's a "we don't know how to yet" I think. |
| 12:19:24 | ze | bestbuy was good to me with a service plan, they replaced things several times, including for stuff as simple as intermittent headphone jack connection issue, and they rarely ever even checked for the problem |
| 12:19:36 | Kasperle | Paul_the_Nerd: yeah, I guess few would be willing to try that ;) |
| 12:19:45 | linuxstb | You would need to know how to encrypt a bootloader image. |
| 12:19:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | ze: Best Buy even offers accidental damage warranties on Laptops at least, which means my cats can claw the screen, and I can get it replaced. |
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| 12:19:57 | ze | Paul_the_Nerd: neat |
| 12:19:57 | Kasperle | linuxstb: so the aupd files are encrypted? |
| 12:20:03 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 12:20:10 | Kasperle | ah |
| 12:20:45 | linuxstb | The main firmware images are unencypted (apart from the Nano 2G), but protected by a simple checksum. |
| 12:21:27 | Kasperle | those are the osos images? (and that extra one for the 5.5g?) |
| 12:24:07 | ze | maybe what crashd means to say is that he wants to volunteer for testing the flash-firmware encryption :p |
| 12:24:17 | crashd | ;o |
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| 12:26:12 | linuxstb | Kasperle: Yes. |
| 12:26:36 | linuxstb | (Version 1.2 and later of the Nano firmware also has the extra one) |
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| 12:42:08 | pixelma | linuxstb: regarding Sudoku on Ipods - did I understand correctly that you can only move "horizontally" across the board (maybe I missed something in the sim)? |
| 12:42:37 | lex | yes you dd |
| 12:42:38 | lex | id |
| 12:42:39 | lex | did |
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| 12:43:16 | pixelma | could you explain a bit further :) |
| 12:44:15 | pixelma | lex: did I understand or miss something? |
| 12:44:25 | lex | you just scroll it horizontally, left to right, right to left, and when you're out of that line where you are, then it moves down or up |
| 12:44:44 | pixelma | alright, thanks |
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| 12:57:39 | Kasperle | Slasheri: what do your 5.5g patches do? |
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| 13:35:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: Overwriting the flash in the ipods should be fairly trivial. Just switch the flash to programming mode and do it |
| 13:35:42 | amiconn | The flash is one of the few chips that _is_ documented (b/c it's a standard chip) |
| 13:36:41 | amiconn | Doing it in a way so that the ipod still works afterwards is a different matter... |
| 13:43:33 | linuxstb | How does that work? Do you just write to normal memory locations to switch it to programming mode? |
| 13:44:17 | amiconn | You write a sequence of values to certain addresses |
| 13:44:33 | amiconn | Check the flash plugins how this works |
| 13:47:00 | linuxstb | Kasperle: His patch just fixes the Rockbox FAT driver IIUC. |
| 13:47:43 | linuxstb | He posted this link to it earlier: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/fat.patch |
| 13:54:29 | petur | wow... properties are already in the manual :) |
| 13:54:39 | n1s | :-) |
| 13:54:58 | n1s | it was fairly simple |
| 13:56:23 | * | n1s still wants people committing new features to document them somwhere, looks at playlist catalog |
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| 14:02:26 | zylche | got doom working, wheeee |
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| 14:04:35 | webguest99 | n1s: yesterday I made a patch for the pitch screen description in the manual. But I have not tested it since I don't have TeX on that comp |
| 14:05:27 | petur | oh right... me committing that also needs manual update :/ |
| 14:05:38 | n1s | webguest99: I'm playing with it now, it made the buttontable look funny ;-) |
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| 14:06:45 | webguest99 | n1s: I noticed one typo: the H300 key for leave screen is ButtonOff or ButtonOff. One of them shouldb e ButtonOn of course |
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| 14:06:56 | n1s | fixed that already |
| 14:07:51 | webguest99 | n1s: what is funny? |
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| 14:08:57 | n1s | the long lines to the left never broke so the right column was about 4 cm wide wich made the table take up a whole paga and was impossible to read. |
| 14:09:03 | webguest99 | petur: have you had a chance to try the new key mapping? Does it feel more intuitive? |
| 14:09:48 | petur | I did try it before committing and I liked it. I usually don't use the pitch screen though... |
| 14:09:53 | Xadow | hi ppl |
| 14:10:20 | webguest99 | n1s: you mean "in XXX mode?" We should probably add a line break before that and use smaller font for the text |
| 14:10:22 | petur | but pressing stop to get back to the wps was (and still is) not in line with the rest of the interface |
| 14:10:40 | Xadow | does any of you know if rockbox has plans for zune or not? |
| 14:10:49 | petur | none so far |
| 14:11:09 | webguest99 | petur: I kept is because it's a menu (for me) |
| 14:12:01 | webguest99 | s/is/it |
| 14:12:28 | n1s | webguest99: I made some changes to the buttontable, moved the (in blah mode...) to the right column etc. |
| 14:12:37 | n1s | ok, committed now. |
| 14:12:54 | petur | ah yes... pressing stop in a menu also goes back to wps. Doesn't feel intuitive.. ah well... |
| 14:13:19 | Xadow | heh, i cannot believe that zune doesn't play wav files... |
| 14:13:48 | * | zylche damns Zune to the devil.. |
| 14:13:50 | linuxstb | Does it support any lossless formats? |
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| 14:14:52 | * | linuxstb reads WMA, MP3 and AAC. Impressive list of codecs... |
| 14:15:18 | zylche | by an unimpressive company? |
| 14:15:24 | Xadow | none |
| 14:15:56 | linuxstb | _maybe_ it supports WMA lossless. |
| 14:16:04 | Xadow | i cannor believe how much it sucks... and there are fans of it!... wi-fi.... |
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| 14:17:09 | zylche | psst, fbi |
| 14:17:12 | zylche | see. |
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| 14:22:02 | petur | ? |
| 14:24:18 | Xadow | heh, i just found our that sony's portable plays atract files >_> |
| 14:25:13 | * | petur isn't attracted to atrac |
| 14:30:19 | Kasperle | linuxstb: ah, cheers. I'll give it a try. I had a lot of crashes with rockbox on my 5.5g which I didn't have time to document/investigate further :( |
| 14:32:14 | Xadow | i have tried it on cds, it's a hot format |
| 14:32:31 | petur | closed, too |
| 14:32:35 | Xadow | (on cuality) |
| 14:33:07 | petur | supported by Sony, Sony and ... euh... Sony :p |
| 14:33:23 | LinusN | Kasperle: even with today's daily build, with the stack overflow fix? |
| 14:33:27 | Xadow | yah, but i only have a sony cd player by now XD |
| 14:33:33 | linuxstb | RealNetworks support ATRAC.. |
| 14:33:55 | linuxstb | There are some webcasts available in ATRAC in a Real container. |
| 14:34:11 | petur | ah |
| 14:34:37 | petur | well I never liked Real too :) |
| 14:35:01 | petur | their player sucked big time |
| 14:35:16 | linuxstb | I just use mplayer... |
| 14:35:26 | Xadow | i used it for a time, it wasn't bad at all... |
| 14:35:42 | Xadow | mp? nah, foobar owns! ^_^ |
| 14:36:01 | petur | it insisted on keeping its loader in memory... didn't like that so I ditched them long time ago |
| 14:36:15 | Xadow | i see |
| 14:36:51 | linuxstb | mplayer from mplayerhq.hu.. Plays everything (audio/video) you can throw at it. |
| 14:39:45 | petur | I now use squeezebox2 at home and my h340 + wireless headphones at work |
| 14:40:28 | LinusN | i bought a used xbox last week, installed a smartxx chip and xmbc on it, it rocks! |
| 14:40:42 | LinusN | xbmc i mean |
| 14:40:58 | LinusN | plays everything from my nslu2 smb share |
| 14:41:26 | LinusN | really nice |
| 14:41:30 | petur | it it silent (fanless)? |
| 14:41:47 | linuxstb | xboxes are far from silent... (at least, mine is) |
| 14:41:49 | LinusN | still the original fan, will install a silent one soonish |
| 14:42:04 | LinusN | but it will never be totally silent |
| 14:42:11 | linuxstb | I just use it for media playing as well (with xboxlinux) |
| 14:42:37 | LinusN | still a damn nice and cheap media center solution |
| 14:42:44 | linuxstb | Indeed. |
| 14:42:53 | Xadow | wouln't a liquid ref. system be more silent? |
| 14:43:26 | LinusN | i bet you can get it quite silent if you put your mind to it |
| 14:43:42 | LinusN | there's still the hard drive... |
| 14:43:54 | * | tehsmo would just use 120mm fans, it's easier and pretty quiet |
| 14:44:10 | LinusN | hard to make 120mm fit |
| 14:44:20 | tehsmo | you could cut a hole for it in the top, maybe |
| 14:44:25 | LinusN | even 80mm is big |
| 14:44:57 | * | linuxstb is looking to upgrade a HDTV-capable media player if anyone has any ideas... |
| 14:45:10 | petur | in my pc I use samsung spinpoints suspended in rubber bands and 120mm fans at 5V, mounted on soft pads |
| 14:45:13 | LinusN | i have an 80mm silent fan which i will install when i get too annoyed by the noise |
| 14:45:33 | LinusN | xbox can do hdmi |
| 14:45:56 | linuxstb | But at what resolution, and is it fast enough to decode HDTV content? |
| 14:46:10 | linuxstb | Or do you mean xbox360? |
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| 14:48:54 | LinusN | decoding of 1080i seems a bit too much for the cpu, but 720p is possible, from what i've heard |
| 14:49:05 | LinusN | and it's the regular xbox |
| 14:50:11 | LinusN | i guess you would want a more powerful box to make full use of your hdtv |
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| 14:51:31 | LinusN | http://xboxmediacenter.com/info_faq.htm#HDTV |
| 14:51:43 | Xadow | men... the zune is totaly OWNED |
| 14:52:00 | Xadow | >_< |
| 14:53:08 | LinusN | gtg, cya |
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| 16:05:57 | n1s | ? |
| 16:06:18 | Blackfrosch | does anybody need informations battery bench |
| 16:06:33 | Blackfrosch | or things like this |
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| 16:06:53 | n1s | you should ask barrywardell whenever he's here |
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| 16:14:57 | * | lowlight waves |
| 16:15:35 | n1s | (very off topic) can anyone reach gmail? |
| 16:16:50 | lowlight | works here |
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| 16:18:55 | lowlight | sometimes I have to use the gmail's html view...https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ |
| 16:20:44 | godzirra | xadow: why is the zune owned this time? |
| 16:21:18 | n1s | aha, turning off certificate verification fixed it... now I feel much more secure :-) |
| 16:21:25 | godzirra | lol |
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| 16:31:45 | godzirra | sigh. mod_rewrite is beating me down. |
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| 16:35:26 | thinman | quick lame question..installed successfully, should i create a /music to copy filez too? or just into / or does it matter? |
| 16:35:47 | n1s | doesn't matter |
| 16:37:15 | linuxstb | Having a /Music folder makes things cleaner if you have other files stored on your disk (e.g. game roms, photos, other datafiles), or if you have audiobooks you want to keep separate. It's also easier to create a playlist with all your music in. |
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| 16:38:48 | thinman | kk, thx |
| 16:41:33 | zylche | I agree with linuxstb. |
| 16:42:29 | thinman | oh, and cudos btw..to all da contributerz! |
| 16:44:15 | thinman | I'm in ur ipodz steeleeng ur codex |
| 16:47:52 | zylche | Kudos to all developers and contributers! |
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| 17:25:57 | Gnelik | Is thre any html vieving plugin for RB? |
| 17:30:22 | n1s | no |
| 17:36:12 | lowlight | how about a firebox port ;) |
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| 18:19:16 | webguest79 | hi, I'm trying to run rockboxdev.sh , but I keep getting the error "bzip2: Compressed file end unexpectedly" |
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| 18:23:47 | lowlight | webguest79: sounds like an incomplete download of one of the source files |
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| 18:24:07 | webguest79 | i was using cvs |
| 18:24:18 | mll | Hello there, n00b looking for a piece of help |
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| 18:26:21 | webguest79 | i tried downloading it again, but that didn't help |
| 18:26:23 | lowlight | webguest79: afaik, rockboxdev.sh downloads the gcc sources (and other deps) |
| 18:26:49 | lowlight | and builds the cross compilers |
| 18:27:30 | webguest79 | it says that binutils and gcc are already downloaded |
| 18:27:43 | mll | If someone can help: When the battery on my H320 depletes, and when I reboot, I get the orginal firmare booted. :? |
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| 18:29:53 | webguest79 | mll: if you plug in the H320 whiles its off, it usually boots the orig firmware - you have to turn it on before plugging it in |
| 18:30:17 | lowlight | webguest79: as I said, sounds like an incomplete or corrupt download. Maybe delete and try again. |
| 18:30:55 | mll | Thanks webguest79. Is that a feature or a bug? |
| 18:31:22 | webguest79 | lowlight:i've tired updating the files with cvs, but i'll have a go deleting them first |
| 18:31:46 | Kasperle | hmmmm. my iPod just made a really odd noise when i moved it around in my hand (a bit too fast?) |
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| 18:31:59 | Kasperle | ... while updating the tagcache |
| 18:32:39 | webguest79 | mll: I'm not sure, that's just what works for me |
| 18:32:43 | mll | Also, question 2: is it possible to choose to boot the original frimware from time to time? |
| 18:33:13 | lowlight | webguest79: but rockboxdev.sh will download the files for you using wget (no cvs) |
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| 18:35:36 | webguest79 | mll: press the record button and the play button together |
| 18:36:16 | mll | while booting? |
| 18:36:21 | webguest79 | yes |
| 18:36:31 | * | mll is trying |
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| 18:39:01 | mll | WOrks. Thanks! I searched the docs / forums for this info, found it nowhere. :( |
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| 18:41:09 | SAJBER | hi people |
| 18:41:15 | mll | Hi |
| 18:41:20 | webguest79 | hi |
| 18:41:38 | SAJBER | can anyone give me an update on the wma codec for rockbox? |
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| 18:42:56 | Lear | From section 2.2.2: "To load the Iriver firmware press and hold Rec before powering up the player until the Iriver logo appears." :) |
| 18:44:28 | mll | Thanks Lear. Misset this one. |
| 18:44:34 | mll | *missed |
| 18:45:32 | Lear | Mentioning it in chapter 3 could be useful too, I think... |
| 18:46:53 | mll | Or #9 |
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| 18:53:34 | Kasperle | interesting |
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| 18:53:47 | Kasperle | apparently everytime is 4x in the tag cache |
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| 18:53:58 | Kasperle | s/everytime/every file/ |
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| 18:59:34 | Gnelik | barrywardell,dan_a: Hi! |
| 18:59:46 | barrywardell | hi |
| 18:59:57 | dan_a | hi |
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| 19:03:26 | Gnelik | barrywardell: sUBMIT KEYMAP TO cvs PLEASE. |
| 19:03:56 | Gnelik | Caps :( |
| 19:03:58 | barrywardell | have i not done so already? i thought I had |
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| 19:04:06 | Gnelik | nope |
| 19:04:20 | Gnelik | I think no |
| 19:04:43 | barrywardell | hmm, i was sure i had |
| 19:04:46 | barrywardell | sorry about that |
| 19:05:00 | PaulPosition | Have you guys found big difference between the "optimized-for-flash" PP chip of the sansa and the rest of the PP bunch, or does it look mostly the same? I doubt you're at a point where improvements could cascade into other targets, but I'm curious anyway.. :p |
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| 19:06:10 | Gnelik | barrywardell it's ok |
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| 19:07:33 | dan_a | PaulPosition: There aren't any improvements yet - we're just stealing everything we can from the other targets at the moment ;) There are a couple of things which seem like bugs in the Sansa, but fixing them might be good for the other targets. |
| 19:07:35 | barrywardell | Gnelik: i thought i had submitted it already. i must be losing my memory! |
| 19:08:20 | zylche | barrywardell, have you submitted the keymap to cvs yet? |
| 19:08:26 | barrywardell | i'm just trying to find it |
| 19:09:05 | PaulPosition | dan - Cool, that's about what I expected. The e200 seems like a nice target that may get quite a large user base some day. :) |
| 19:09:11 | barrywardell | I was really sure I had submitted it ages ago. maybe the commit failed and I didn't notice |
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| 19:12:29 | l3n34 | did anyone install rockbox on their ipod? |
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| 19:14:16 | Ribs | l3n34, many people have... |
| 19:14:31 | l3n34 | ok.. |
| 19:14:42 | l3n34 | i've got an ipod video 30giga |
| 19:14:55 | l3n34 | did anyone install rockbox on SUCH an iPod? |
| 19:16:29 | PaulPosition | I'm sure some people did.. For all I know, there's been problems with 2nd gen nano and the newer 5.5gen 80mb ipods... |
| 19:16:42 | l3n34 | *Gb |
| 19:16:58 | PaulPosition | right |
| 19:17:06 | PaulPosition | 80mb.. lol duh |
| 19:17:33 | l3n34 | hopefully they'll do something about the 5.5g because i'm a linux addict and i couldn't live without it on my iPod |
| 19:17:45 | zylche | I have ther 5g, so I'm fine hehehe.. |
| 19:18:08 | l3n34 | but...i think i have 5g too |
| 19:18:12 | PaulPosition | without *it* ? it being rockbox or being iPodLinux? |
| 19:18:14 | l3n34 | i have a 30gb one... |
| 19:18:26 | zylche | doom rocks on it, hoping to figure out how to add special addons for extra ammo, life, etc for just wasting time running around the game |
| 19:18:29 | zylche | same |
| 19:18:32 | l3n34 | i don't care...both..:P |
| 19:18:43 | l3n34 | zylche: you got a 30Gb one? |
| 19:18:44 | zylche | rockbox does /rock/ |
| 19:18:46 | barrywardell | Gnelik, zylche, dan_a: does this look right http://pastebin.ca/263648 ? |
| 19:18:48 | zylche | ipodlinux bricks :P |
| 19:19:05 | zylche | l3n34, 30Gb ipod video 5th generation |
| 19:19:07 | zylche | not 5.5 |
| 19:19:26 | l3n34 | zylche:cool...and you've got rockbox or ipodlinux on yours? |
| 19:19:51 | zylche | rockbox |
| 19:19:56 | zylche | installed it 16 hours ago |
| 19:20:11 | l3n34 | zylche:could you please explain me how you installed it?i would like to install it too |
| 19:20:12 | PaulPosition | (I guess the fact he hangs around here is a good clue as to what he runs on his pod.. ;) ) |
| 19:20:14 | zylche | linux installation is a piece of cake |
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| 19:20:21 | richardtock | hello |
| 19:20:22 | lowlight | there should be some patches soon from Slasheri for the 5.5 30GB |
| 19:20:22 | zylche | true :P |
| 19:20:51 | l3n34 | what is the difference between 30GB 5.5 and 30Gb 5g? |
| 19:21:02 | zylche | .5 |
| 19:21:14 | l3n34 | zylche: so..?cold you please write me a tutorial |
| 19:21:17 | richardtock | I have an iriver H140 and that, and i've gone through all the intallation malarky on the manual and that, yet my player still just loads up the original firmware. what's up with that? |
| 19:21:30 | l3n34 | zylche: i have tried many tmes to install it and didn't succeed |
| 19:22:01 | l3n34 | richardtock: that's exactly what happened with my ipod video |
| 19:22:18 | lowlight | 5.5 has a different hd sector size (check today's irc log) |
| 19:22:18 | richardtock | oh. |
| 19:22:33 | l3n34 | zylche: i do everything,then copy the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod and the ipod still boots the original OS |
| 19:22:36 | richardtock | can anyone offer any help? any ideas? |
| 19:22:50 | dan_a | barrywardell: Looks OK in theory |
| 19:23:08 | barrywardell | i did a good bit of testing in the sim |
| 19:23:39 | zylche | Ahh |
| 19:23:42 | barrywardell | and it feels fairly good. hard to say until it's used on the target though |
| 19:23:51 | zylche | copy the rockbox.ipod and rename it to Rockbox.ipod |
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| 19:24:05 | zylche | I did that out of thinking there was a case-sensitivity issue, and it works somehow. |
| 19:24:08 | PaulPosition | richardtock - I'm not familiar with the install procedure on the H1x0... :( |
| 19:24:21 | zylche | make sure you have rockbox.ipod and Rockbox.ipod on the base of the ipod |
| 19:24:32 | dan_a | barrywardell: Are you able to exit out of the OS debug screen? |
| 19:24:46 | PaulPosition | richardtock - If you're not lucky enough to get information from people present right now, maybe try the forums at misticriver.net |
| 19:25:01 | zylche | l3n34, wait, does it load the rockbox software first ebfore a -1 error? |
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| 19:25:18 | l3n34 | zylche: if it works,you're a life saver. i'l repay you somehow(no money or blowjobs please) |
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| 19:25:52 | zylche | erm.. this is opensource, just help anyone that needs it.. |
| 19:25:53 | l3n34 | zylche: it doesn't do anything. it's like i didn't do anything to him. it just boots the original firmware |
| 19:26:35 | richardtock | hey, does anyone know if i can put us firmware on a EU iriver H140? |
| 19:26:39 | l3n34 | but i'll try renaming anyhow...and if you have other tipps, zylche, please name them |
| 19:26:58 | barrywardell | dan_a: that's not on the sim (or at least not in the version of cvs i'm using). there are still some problems with the debug screen now that you mention it though |
| 19:27:15 | zylche | are you on linux or windows? |
| 19:27:43 | l3n34 | linux |
| 19:27:55 | richardtock | Oh, man, I got it working! |
| 19:27:56 | l3n34 | but i have windows too if that helps |
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| 19:28:15 | zylche | good |
| 19:28:23 | zylche | I mean, you have linux |
| 19:28:27 | l3n34 | yes.. |
| 19:28:40 | zylche | pm? |
| 19:28:41 | l3n34 | i'll just do as it sais in the tutorial and then rebame? |
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| 19:28:49 | richardtock | for people who have irivers: you might want to put this in the documentation. the firmware patch does not work with the EU iriver firmware. You have to download the US one! |
| 19:28:50 | l3n34 | ok... |
| 19:28:51 | zylche | I'll walk you through it |
| 19:28:55 | l3n34 | but how do you do pm? |
| 19:29:00 | zylche | I'll do it for ya |
| 19:29:16 | l3n34 | thx... |
| 19:29:39 | l3n34 | zylche...i can't pm because i'm not registred |
| 19:29:42 | dan_a | barrywardell: I've got a version of crt0 which might help with dual booting on the H10, if you're interested |
| 19:29:45 | zylche | ahhh...... |
| 19:29:46 | l3n34 | do you have a messenger? |
| 19:29:51 | zylche | nope :E |
| 19:29:57 | zylche | /nickserv register password |
| 19:30:36 | barrywardell | yes, please |
| 19:30:56 | barrywardell | i tried the version MrH said looked ok |
| 19:31:13 | barrywardell | but got weird behaviour |
| 19:33:29 | dan_a | Oh, that's the same one - only with an adjustment so that no code is at 0xe0 |
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| 19:35:38 | barrywardell | i tried that. i added .space at 0xe0 but then my bootloader would crash for some reason |
| 19:36:01 | barrywardell | can i see your version with the adjustment please? in case i did something wrong |
| 19:36:05 | dan_a | And, of course, a branch over the space? |
| 19:36:30 | PaulPosition | barry - if you ever work something out of that, I'm willing to test until I turn blue in the face (hopefully it's my h10 that'd turn blue.. iRiver-blue.) |
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| 19:37:19 | barrywardell | yes, a branch too |
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| 19:37:52 | dan_a | barrywardell: http://pastebin.ca/263662 |
| 19:38:05 | barrywardell | dan_a: i also tried your idea of just disabling the cache and it didn't seem to change anything with the freeze on startup |
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| 19:38:47 | dan_a | The "nops" that I had in also seemed to be required |
| 19:38:49 | webguest97 | question: I'm trying to get the jblackglass theme on the wiki themes page on my ipod, but it requires me to use the build that the guy made, which is very old. I'm trying to patch the source using the patches he provided and most of them work but the "bmp-resize" and "album art" patches won't apply cleanly. Is anything known about this or are newer versions available? |
| 19:39:38 | barrywardell | ah, ok. i didn't put any nops in there |
| 19:39:48 | PaulPosition | They won't apply cleanly. However, some people (I, Maxwen) had some luck using same patches, but using bmp.c ver. 1.35 (that's from 11th of november).. |
| 19:39:53 | habana | hi all |
| 19:40:37 | PaulPosition | webguest - I *think* the only things that changed in bmp.c was dithering for black/white targets so it shouldn't break anything. But it might not be "rock"-solid.. :p |
| 19:40:55 | webguest97 | Alright, I'll give that a try |
| 19:40:57 | webguest97 | thanks :) |
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| 19:41:23 | habana | Would the sansa keymap had been modified recently ? |
| 19:41:36 | PaulPosition | habana - few minutes ago by Barry I think :p |
| 19:41:53 | barrywardell | not yet |
| 19:41:57 | PaulPosition | doh! |
| 19:42:08 | barrywardell | i have a modified version which i will commit |
| 19:42:32 | barrywardell | http://pastebin.ca/263648 |
| 19:42:43 | netmasta10bt | anyone know if anyone is working on id3v2 APIC support for RB? |
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| 19:43:36 | PaulPosition | netmasta - I think APIC support ain't getting worked on. That's the big effin' frame where you can store a jpeg, png, etc..? |
| 19:43:54 | LAUBi | hi, how can i watch xvid avi vids. with my ipod video and rockbox? |
| 19:43:55 | netmasta10bt | PaulPosition: yes |
| 19:44:23 | habana | barrywardell,PaulPosition:thanks |
| 19:44:58 | dan_a | LAUBi: You need to convert them, but there will be no sound as yet. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:45:28 | LAUBi | damnit |
| 19:45:32 | PaulPosition | netmasta - most conversation I read on the subject where either "anti" (no way, it wastes space, it's un-rockbox) or "pessimistic" (can't. Too processor intensive. We don't even have jpeg album art yet.)... |
| 19:45:39 | PaulPosition | Maybe have a look at flyspray... |
| 19:45:45 | LAUBi | thats freaking shit :/ |
| 19:46:02 | PaulPosition | LAUBI - So then, that's why you can DUALBOOT your RB. :D |
| 19:46:08 | netmasta10bt | PaulPosition - ok thanx for the info |
| 19:46:10 | PaulPosition | your iPod that is. |
| 19:46:27 | LAUBi | what do you mean? |
| 19:46:53 | PaulPosition | Rockbox allows you, at the push of a few buttons, to boot into the original Apple firmware. |
| 19:47:19 | LAUBi | yeah i know... am i able to play xvid vids. with the original firmware? |
| 19:47:35 | LAUBi | its not my ipod, so im asking nooby questions ;) |
| 19:47:58 | PaulPosition | LAUBi - Can't say for sure.. I thought iTunes was converting for you when syncing but then again, I use neither iPod nor iTunes.. :o |
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| 19:48:01 | LAUBi | already tried to tansfer xvid avi movies with itunes, did not work |
| 19:48:05 | PaulPosition | sorry. |
| 19:48:10 | LAUBi | damn ^^ |
| 19:48:54 | PaulPosition | LAUBi - With screens getting bigger all the time, it's only a question of time for people to create great solutions to the video problem. |
| 19:50:07 | zylche | it's sound that's the current problem |
| 19:50:51 | PaulPosition | Well, yeah, I used video as the broad concept, not just the cinetic display of images.. :p |
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| 19:55:11 | webguest97 | LAUBi: you need to convert your movie to the ipod format with videora ipod converter |
| 19:55:19 | webguest97 | no other way to play them using the default firmware |
| 19:55:40 | webguest97 | http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/ |
| 19:57:50 | zylche | yep :/ |
| 19:58:24 | SAJBER | can anyone give me an update on the wma codec for rockbox? |
| 19:58:36 | petur | none |
| 19:58:49 | SAJBER | :/ |
| 19:59:14 | petur | the person who worked on it had his house burn down, I'm sure he has other priorities |
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| 20:06:01 | barrywardell | dan_a: that works great:) i don't know why it didn't work for me before! |
| 20:06:11 | barrywardell | except it doesn't boot rockbox any more |
| 20:06:37 | dan_a | barrywardell: The one on Pastebin? |
| 20:06:43 | barrywardell | yes |
| 20:07:01 | barrywardell | i'll have a look to see what's different from my version |
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| 20:09:51 | dan_a | I can't think why it shouldn't boot Rockbox |
| 20:10:04 | zylche | allergic? |
| 20:10:21 | barrywardell | http://pastebin.ca/263703 that's the only real difference between to version that didn't work for me before |
| 20:10:28 | dan_a | (unless you compiled a normal build using that crt0 - that would do it) |
| 20:10:42 | barrywardell | the new version does boot rockbox, but i guess it crashes on startup |
| 20:11:06 | barrywardell | it shows the logo, then i can hear the disk spin down as if ata power is turned off |
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| 20:12:50 | dan_a | If we can get this working for dual boot on the H10 and the Sansa, it would probably be a wise idea to use this as the basis for all the PortalPlayer builds - both bootloader and normal. |
| 20:12:51 | barrywardell | it's actually a similar symptom to when i was testing your cop patch |
| 20:13:24 | barrywardell | dan_a: agreed. it would be good to test on an ipod too |
| 20:14:18 | webguest97 | PaulPosition: I tried applying the patch with the version you mentioned (1.35, 11th nov), but it still won't apply cleanly. Is there anything else that I can try? |
| 20:16:24 | barrywardell | dan_a: i bet my problem is with my rockbox build using the old crt0 |
| 20:16:47 | dan_a | Erm, is anyone an mIRC expert? I've made it start the sentence I'm typing at the right of the screen and put any punctuation at the left. It's disconcerting |
| 20:17:03 | dan_a | barrywardell: The old crt0 should work fine |
| 20:17:51 | barrywardell | it does with a bootloader using the old crt0, but not with the new one |
| 20:18:02 | dan_a | I've not written the new version to do mmapping yet (mainly 'cos I'm still trying to understand it properly)) |
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| 20:20:04 | barrywardell | here's my final version of the new button mapping: http://pastebin.ca/263710 |
| 20:20:42 | barrywardell | does it look ok? i can only really test in the sim and see how button combos feel on the device |
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| 20:22:42 | dan_a | I think it looks OK. We can always change things if something doesn't feel right. |
| 20:23:08 | barrywardell | OK, I'll commit it now. |
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| 20:34:01 | barrywardell | dan_a: have you got a bootloader for the Sansa which loads both Rockbox and the OF? |
| 20:35:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: Yes, that version of crt0, and I think your version of h10.c (changed slightly.) |
| 20:36:18 | barrywardell | does it load a rockbox.e200 too? |
| 20:36:42 | dan_a | Although I can't make Rockbox boot right now. I think that's a change I've made to Rockbox, not the bootloader, though. It does load rockbox.e200 (and Rolo works too) |
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| 20:39:14 | barrywardell | ok, thanks |
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| 20:42:04 | dan_a | barrywardell: e200.c is at http://pastebin.ca/263733. There's a couple of changes to tools/scramble.c and tools/configure that need to be made too, but I think you can work those out. |
| 20:42:27 | barrywardell | thanks. yes, i should be able to figure the others out |
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| 20:43:55 | dan_a | I'll commit the bootloader work when I've figured out why the Rockbox checksum is always off by 4 |
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| 20:44:33 | zylche | dan_a, is it using rad or cos? |
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| 20:45:47 | barrywardell | dan_a: i'll let you know if i spot anything |
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| 20:46:40 | dan_a | zylche: No, it's a sum based on the model and the data in the file, IIRC. |
| 20:46:45 | zylche | :P |
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| 20:49:49 | ani-adom | hi |
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| 20:50:15 | ani-adom | can someoe tell me who do i apply a patch? |
| 20:51:13 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 20:51:20 | mick_home | man patch |
| 20:52:01 | ani-adom | ai allredy read this one. |
| 20:52:13 | ani-adom | snd still i dont get it |
| 20:52:18 | rasher | Well, then you need to be more specific |
| 20:52:31 | ani-adom | ok. sec. |
| 20:52:37 | rasher | Are you able to build Rockbox on your own? |
| 20:52:59 | ani-adom | no.. |
| 20:53:08 | ani-adom | i just d/l wps. |
| 20:53:16 | rasher | Well, that's first step. A patch applies to the sourcecode of Rockbox |
| 20:53:57 | rasher | Are you on Windows? |
| 20:54:04 | ani-adom | yes |
| 20:54:05 | ani-adom | xp |
| 20:54:13 | rasher | Aight, hang on |
| 20:55:14 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots follow this |
| 20:55:44 | rasher | That will install the tools necessary to build (and potentially customize) Rockbox |
| 20:57:19 | ani-adom | ok |
| 20:57:49 | Slasheri | oh crap these proprietary cables. i forgot my ipod usb cable in the work place, so can't do any development at weekend.. argh |
| 20:58:00 | ani-adom | ill check it |
| 20:58:10 | rasher | Patch in the Opensource world means something entirely different than in proprietary software |
| 20:58:11 | barrywardell | dan_a: did you change MODEL_NUMBER in config-e200.h to 16? At a guess that could be your problem |
| 20:58:51 | dan_a | barrywardell: I did |
| 20:59:33 | barrywardell | and you used the same value in scramble.c? |
| 20:59:52 | barrywardell | ie. 16? |
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| 21:00:07 | dan_a | I did. Is that going to cause a problem? |
| 21:00:56 | barrywardell | no, it's just that MODEL_NUMBER was 12 originally and 16-12=4. seems like an odd coincidence |
| 21:04:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:05:01 | mick_home | http://www.rockbox.org/screenshots/ <−− this the default install? |
| 21:05:37 | thegeek_ | those screenshots are pretty old |
| 21:05:40 | thegeek_ | or |
| 21:05:48 | pixelma | mick_home: yes - but not for ipods ;) |
| 21:05:48 | thegeek_ | they are from an old player |
| 21:06:07 | thegeek_ | should really have some new fancy screenshots there;P |
| 21:06:13 | mick_home | pixelma: so it doesn't look "ewww" for the ipod ;) |
| 21:06:23 | mick_home | thegeek_: i agree :D |
| 21:06:29 | thegeek_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 21:06:45 | mick_home | ya, i've been looking at them for the naao |
| 21:06:47 | mick_home | nano* |
| 21:06:52 | thegeek_ | ah |
| 21:07:07 | mick_home | one problem is that the one that i like refers to something that doesn't exist |
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| 21:07:48 | mick_home | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#Blue_Dream |
| 21:08:27 | rasher | mick_home: There's a wiki page named ScreenShots which is more up to date |
| 21:08:33 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots |
| 21:08:40 | mick_home | thanks :) |
| 21:08:47 | pixelma | mick_home: the page you linked to was outdated too: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots16bpp |
| 21:09:15 | mick_home | might want to update the site to have the snaziest looking screenshots ;) |
| 21:09:28 | rasher | mick_home: Where did you find a link to /screenshots/ ? |
| 21:09:31 | mick_home | i think the default should be a "oh damn that is cool" ;) |
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| 21:09:36 | mick_home | rasher: google |
| 21:09:40 | rasher | Ah.. damn |
| 21:10:12 | rasher | Another reason for a website cleanup |
| 21:10:16 | pixelma | that wasn't even a twiki link... |
| 21:10:35 | dan_a | barrywardell: I was wrong. I forgot to change MODEL_NUMBER in config-e200.h - that's still 12. I'm going to get some dinner, then a dual-boot bootloader is coming up. |
| 21:10:36 | rasher | Such as say, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5617 |
| 21:11:47 | mick_home | i want a 5gig just so i can put one of these on there: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g damn those look cool :) |
| 21:12:20 | rasher | Maybe the ScreenShots page should show off one of the cooler non-default WPS as well |
| 21:12:35 | rasher | Boxes is great, but not exactly fancy looking |
| 21:12:38 | barrywardell | dan_a: great. i'll look forward to it |
| 21:12:53 | mick_home | "no roadmap" −− ahem... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
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| 21:13:18 | rasher | mick_home: Well, look at the dates on that page and you'll understand |
| 21:13:22 | mick_home | rasher: IMO the default should be a "killer" one ;) |
| 21:13:32 | mick_home | oh :-/ |
| 21:13:37 | mick_home | ok i get it now |
| 21:13:53 | pixelma | rasher: maybe iCatcher could be a good choice for that - at least it exists on all targets |
| 21:13:57 | mick_home | i'll just need to live w/ "organized chaos" then ;) |
| 21:14:42 | mick_home | pixelma: yes, it should be 1) universal and 2) snazy and 3) very usable/accessable |
| 21:15:00 | mick_home | so for #1 should run on all targets |
| 21:15:11 | mick_home | #2 well, this one is obvious :D |
| 21:15:24 | pixelma | #3 - it's in cvs ;) |
| 21:15:46 | mick_home | #3 people shouldn't be like "ok, how the hell does this look" and blink / color impared people should beable to use it just fine |
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| 21:16:28 | mick_home | pixelma: i was refering to Usability and Accessability - not "where do i find it" ;) |
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| 21:17:46 | mick_home | since there is a rather large group of admins (and no benevolent dictator) - i take it that i should email the devel list :) |
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| 21:20:33 | rasher | pixelma: icatcher looks horrible on h12 |
| 21:20:35 | rasher | pixelma: icatcher looks horrible on h120 |
| 21:21:18 | mick_home | ok, so it needs to be fixed :) |
| 21:21:40 | pixelma | rasher: do you mean the current problems that occured with the greyscale dithering? |
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| 21:21:58 | pixelma | or any other objections |
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| 21:22:17 | rasher | pixelma: I mean it looks very strange becaue the bitmaps aren't adjusted to being 4-colour |
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| 21:23:16 | mick_home | i can't find it on the wiki (what does icatcher look like) |
| 21:23:17 | pixelma | yeah... but they showed up with the changes I meant - the author wanted to redraw them |
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| 21:26:20 | pixelma | mick_home: basically like this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577 maybe there were some minor changes since then |
| 21:26:50 | rasher | pixelma: I haven't used it for a while, so it might be different now |
| 21:27:58 | pixelma | rasher: not that I know off |
| 21:28:06 | pixelma | *of |
| 21:28:19 | rasher | pixelma: Plus, a snazzy bmp wps will increase boot time |
| 21:28:29 | rasher | unfortunately significantly |
| 21:28:31 | pixelma | that's true |
| 21:29:07 | pixelma | I thought it was only supposed to show off in the screenshots sites |
| 21:29:07 | ani-adom | rasher: do you know hipod wps? |
| 21:29:17 | rasher | ani-adom: No. |
| 21:29:22 | rasher | Should I? |
| 21:29:23 | ani-adom | m. |
| 21:29:29 | ani-adom | i wonder. |
| 21:29:44 | rasher | pixelma: Oh dear, it's way worse now than when I last used it. |
| 21:29:49 | ani-adom | the "next sont" dosent work for me. |
| 21:29:53 | ani-adom | song |
| 21:30:46 | rasher | pixelma: But I guess for the same reason - that the bitmaps weren't tuned for 2-bit colour |
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| 21:32:38 | pixelma | rasher: yes it is because the bitmaps which are used are the colour ones (he wanted to reduce the number of bitmaps in cvs) |
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| 21:37:00 | unleet | Hey Guys. |
| 21:37:03 | rasher | pixelma: Not a great choice for us h1xx owners :| |
| 21:37:56 | mick_home | rasher: ok, fine - but i think you can agree that we need a "universal theme" - that doesn't suck ;) |
| 21:38:43 | unleet | Paul |
| 21:38:53 | unleet | Paul, I have news. |
| 21:38:56 | rasher | mick_home: Sure, and iCatcher is a very good candidate, but there are a few problems: 1) Boot time (this is a biggie) 2) The h1xx problems 3) Maybe others |
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| 21:40:02 | unleet | Paul are you there? |
| 21:40:14 | mick_home | they should be examined and worked on then, any other candidates? |
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| 21:41:40 | unleet | Anybody have a clue where Paul is? |
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| 21:42:16 | pixelma | mick_home: the boot time problem applies to all bitmap wps |
| 21:42:44 | mick_home | ok, how long does it take to boot? |
| 21:43:26 | unleet | I finally got my H10 to recognize the rockbox mi4 but for some reason when it boots up the screen turns part yellow and all fuzzy and messed up. |
| 21:43:35 | unleet | It's working but the screen is all F'ed. |
| 21:43:58 | PaulPosition | unleet - Sorry, was away.. |
| 21:44:07 | unleet | Thats ok. |
| 21:44:11 | rasher | mick_home: A wps with a bunch of bmps pretty much doubles boot time |
| 21:44:15 | unleet | Read above Mesages |
| 21:44:18 | unleet | Messages* |
| 21:44:34 | PaulPosition | unleet- Which bootloader though? MTP from archive or that customized one I linked to? |
| 21:44:42 | mick_home | rasher: and that is pprox? |
| 21:44:46 | mick_home | approx*/ |
| 21:44:47 | unleet | Both do the same thing. |
| 21:44:59 | rasher | mick_home: From 5 to 10 seconds possibly, I don't really know |
| 21:45:11 | mick_home | ok, that is not that bad |
| 21:45:20 | mick_home | 10+ seconds would be a real issue |
| 21:45:33 | PaulPosition | unleet- Woah, that's weird. Never saw that happen. But first things first : how did you get it to work? Did anything differently than first few times around? |
| 21:45:58 | pixelma | that depends on how many bitmaps are used, on your harddrive (I guess you won't notice it much on Nano) and also on how scattered those many bitmaps are on your drive |
| 21:46:00 | rasher | Well, it is when many developers and long-time users from Archos are used to 2-3 seconds |
| 21:46:58 | unleet | No, Evidently my mi4 in the System directory is named differently |
| 21:47:14 | unleet | So I had to rename the others and somehow it worked. |
| 21:47:39 | unleet | I took video of what happens when my player starts up but im on a different computer and did not bring my flash drive. |
| 21:48:17 | PaulPosition | unleet - okay.. Right now, if you go back to original firmware it still working good and only rockbox screws with image? |
| 21:48:26 | unleet | Yes |
| 21:48:39 | PaulPosition | unleet - good. At least nothing is broken. |
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| 21:48:59 | unleet | Actually, when rockbox is starting up, it shows the iriver loading or w/e and then when thats done it tries to load rockbox and the screen goes all messed up. |
| 21:49:41 | PaulPosition | unleet - Hmm, this is weird. No error message or nothing? Does it seem to respond to button input or something or do you think it freezes at that point? |
| 21:50:13 | unleet | It responds and goes through the menu, I just cannot tell what anything says |
| 21:50:33 | unleet | The first menu evidently has 2 choices and only the first one does something |
| 21:50:36 | low_light | unleet: hang around, maybe barrywardell (h10 dev) will be back |
| 21:50:42 | rasher | pixelma: To be honest, the "123" graphics in that screenshot of icatcher looks broken on all screens |
| 21:50:50 | unleet | If I hold the off button, a message comes up and it turns off. |
| 21:50:51 | low_light | he was here 30 minutes ago |
| 21:50:55 | PaulPosition | Indeed, Barry's the H10 guru and he worked a lot on bootloader.. |
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| 21:51:27 | unleet | If Barry were here about this time it would be helpful. |
| 21:51:40 | pixelma | rasher: not on Archos though ;) |
| 21:51:58 | PaulPosition | unleet - He left about 30min ago.. :( |
| 21:52:12 | PaulPosition | might be back, I dunno for sure. |
| 21:52:14 | rasher | pixelma: Nope, except the 1 is lacking the top line |
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| 21:52:34 | PaulPosition | Hmm. |
| 21:52:49 | unleet | Well the roads here are clsoing at 5 and its 2:30 or something now, so I can only stay till like 4 or something. |
| 21:53:02 | mick_home | like i was saying before - is there another good candidate for this besides icatcher? |
| 21:53:06 | webguest78 | Aha! Any Rockbox developers around here? |
| 21:53:08 | unleet | I'm not at my house as we speak. |
| 21:53:37 | Kasperle | all the files appear 4x in the file browser. is that a known problem? |
| 21:53:37 | unleet | webguest78, this is a chatroom for rockbox, of course there are. |
| 21:53:44 | rasher | mick_home: I don't think so, most themes are only made for one, or a few ports |
| 21:53:44 | mick_home | webguest78: no :-P (they just haunt you in your sleep) |
| 21:53:54 | mick_home | ok, good |
| 21:53:58 | PaulPosition | unleet - Okay.. Just to sum it all up..: |
| 21:54:00 | mick_home | tht narrows down the choices ;) |
| 21:54:03 | unleet | Ok. |
| 21:54:30 | webguest78 | oh, that's a shame, I was just about to burst out into praise, applause, etc |
| 21:54:48 | PaulPosition | unleet - Yesterday, we had trouble getting the bootloader (h10.mi4 in /system) to work. Now, it seems, it does process through and go into Rockbox firmware, which is one step. |
| 21:54:49 | webguest78 | having just discovered and tried rockbox, i have to say it really, um, rocks |
| 21:54:56 | mick_home | webguest78: check the cloaks of say... rasher :) |
| 21:55:12 | ani-adom | rasher: i install Cygwin., |
| 21:55:17 | ani-adom | what now? |
| 21:55:28 | unleet | Yes, it processes it. Now We just have to fix the screen problem. |
| 21:56:00 | unleet | Indeed there is a menu that I can use, the screen may be f'ed u, but I can still see it navigating the main menu. |
| 21:56:04 | rasher | ani-adom: Now you follow the steps on another page.. let me find it |
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| 21:56:16 | PaulPosition | unleet - So we need to find out, now, why it's not working right. It shouldn't have much to do anymore with the h10.mi4 but maybe with the rockbox.h10 or the stuff that went into the .rockbox folder. |
| 21:56:30 | unleet | Yes |
| 21:56:42 | rasher | ani-adom: These can all be found on the DocsIndex wiki page under "For Developers", but if you don't know what you're looking for, it's a bit tough |
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| 21:57:14 | PaulPosition | unleet - First menu should be the music folder.. If you press right, right, right a few time, do you get to hear any music? |
| 21:57:20 | rasher | ani-adom: Run the "cygwin bash shell" and follow this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 21:57:48 | webguest78 | Hey, that's funny, I was about to ask the same thing I'm guessing ani-adom asked |
| 21:58:06 | rasher | webguest78: How to compile Rockbox? |
| 21:58:29 | unleet | No, there are 2 choices on the main menu. The second one does nothing, and the first obviously goes to another menu. If you could get me some pictures for the other menu's im scrolling into, I might be able to find music. |
| 21:58:37 | Kasperle | Slasheri: you there? |
| 21:58:52 | PaulPosition | unleet- Try something. I doubt it will help anything but it sure can't hurt.. When booting, put it on hold for a few seconds to clear settings. |
| 21:58:58 | heyJulius | sorry to barge in here, but is the time (am pm) or 24 hour clock, theme dependant, when i try to set the mode it doesnt work. |
| 21:59:20 | webguest78 | Wow, that's one svelte community. You even have VMware images for compiling! Kudos, guys |
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| 21:59:46 | unleet | I have tried that already. |
| 21:59:52 | rasher | oh right, the vmware images... I completely forgot.. |
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| 22:00:45 | PaulPosition | unleet - hmmm... Ok, then. If the 'music' folder is still hidden (it is by default, the original firmware hides it) I'm not sure rockbox sees it, so perhaps the first option *isn't* music after all. |
| 22:00:47 | unleet | Perhaps some pictures as I have suggested will let me know if it indeed does play music. |
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| 22:01:21 | unleet | Well in ums mode, i see nothing but the /.rockbox folder and a text folder |
| 22:01:32 | unleet | in mtp mode i see media and buch of other stuff. |
| 22:01:44 | unleet | media is where my music is located |
| 22:01:55 | PaulPosition | unleet - right, so these folders are hidden and your windows is set to Not Show hidden files and folders.. |
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| 22:02:22 | unleet | It is a newly installed copy of Media Center Edition 2005. |
| 22:02:35 | unleet | Nothing has really been done to it. |
| 22:02:35 | PaulPosition | hmm. I don't see how that would effect rendering anyway, so there's someting else that went screwey at one point or another.. |
| 22:02:43 | rasher | There are too many jbas in here.. |
| 22:03:05 | Slasheri | Kasperle: yes |
| 22:03:08 | unleet | Robots? |
| 22:03:23 | Kasperle | Slasheri: i'm trying your 5.5g patch just now |
| 22:03:36 | PaulPosition | unleet - You're not home, so I gather you don't have the fancy cables and everything with you right now, right? |
| 22:04:05 | unleet | No, I decided to use the library computers today. |
| 22:04:05 | Slasheri | Kasperle: then you also need to patch the ipod_fw to compile the bootloader (my patch doesn't yet do it) |
| 22:04:26 | Kasperle | Slasheri: yeah, did that |
| 22:04:34 | Slasheri | ok, then it should work :) |
| 22:04:35 | webguest78 | Does anyone know, is the lack of a recording option on the 4G iPod caused by technical limitations or people-time-commitment limitations? |
| 22:04:44 | ani-adom | rasher: i need color bitmap and color changer... |
| 22:04:47 | mick_home | rasher: so what is the best way for me to contribute to rockbox? |
| 22:04:58 | Kasperle | Slasheri: seems to work so far. |
| 22:04:59 | Slasheri | Kasperle: and if you can, please try also on non-5.5g unit |
| 22:05:05 | rasher | ani-adom: You mean patches? |
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| 22:05:19 | ani-adom | yes |
| 22:05:23 | Kasperle | Slasheri: can't, i only have the 5.5g :( ... |
| 22:05:34 | rasher | mick_home: I don't quite understand that question.. |
| 22:05:35 | Slasheri | ah, lets hope someone else does that :) |
| 22:05:38 | PaulPosition | unleet - Hmmkay. How did you put the .mi4 file in the system folder if you can't see it in UMS mode? |
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| 22:05:50 | dan_a | webguest78: Both. There is a patch in Flyspray, but I think it's become out of date. |
| 22:05:50 | Slasheri | after that i could commit it |
| 22:05:55 | Kasperle | and i don't really know rockbox well, so it sucks that i can't really compare whether some behaviour is still "normal" or not |
| 22:06:13 | mick_home | i'm good w/ usability, accessability, i'm a coder (i code on too much atm - but i could take on something in the bts), i could get started on writing diffs for the docs..... |
| 22:06:15 | Kasperle | Slasheri: i'm using the TagCache and in the Browser I see every file 4x. any chance you've come across that? |
| 22:06:20 | rasher | ani-adom: Well, download the patches http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 here, and follow this page |
| 22:06:25 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 22:06:32 | unleet | Navigating to the G:\System folder |
| 22:06:37 | unleet | type it into the address bar. |
| 22:06:42 | Slasheri | Kasperle: hmm, that is wierd. Are you sure there are not 4 copies of each file? |
| 22:06:49 | Kasperle | Slasheri: yes |
| 22:06:51 | Slasheri | did you try initializing tagcache again? |
| 22:06:57 | Kasperle | yeah, tried that twice |
| 22:07:03 | rasher | Database! |
| 22:07:06 | Slasheri | and try also generate a playlist containing the dupes, and saving that on disk |
| 22:07:09 | Kasperle | is it normal that i have to reboot after initializing the database? |
| 22:07:10 | mick_home | rasher: i mean, since there isn't really a "todo list" it is difficult to see what would be the most useful |
| 22:07:16 | webguest78 | dan_a, thanks. Will it help people if I update the patch? |
| 22:07:17 | Slasheri | then you can compare if all entries point to the same file |
| 22:07:22 | tucoz | Regarding icatcher. I think the ´paused´text should not cover the volume display. A better choice would be the battery level. |
| 22:07:26 | PaulPosition | unleet - Right, that's a workaround I didn't think of. |
| 22:07:53 | mick_home | rasher: IMO having a kick ass UI (that is common among all supported targets) is on the top of the list |
| 22:08:07 | unleet | Under Windows Xp, how do I unhide hidden folders? |
| 22:08:09 | rasher | mick_home: Development is mostly done on a "whatever you feel like" basis, so it's hard to say |
| 22:08:13 | ani-adom | rasher: d/l this WPS Extensions & Fixes.? |
| 22:08:32 | dan_a | webguest78: Almost certainly. I'm not sure what the hold-up on getting it committed was - maybe linuxstb can tell you more if he's around |
| 22:08:39 | mick_home | rasher: and an *easy* interface to an installer would be up there too |
| 22:08:43 | Kasperle | Slasheri: it's the same for every album (tried at least 10), the files are on disk in the apple iPod format |
| 22:08:53 | Kasperle | i.e. that odd folder structure |
| 22:08:54 | mick_home | with a selectable interface for WPSes |
| 22:09:00 | unleet | 1. |
| 22:09:00 | unleet | On the Tools menu in Windows Explorer, click Folder Options. |
| 22:09:00 | unleet | |
| 22:09:01 | PaulPosition | unleet - You'd just go into Explorer (file explorer, y'know) and at the top there's tools->Folder Options .. You'll find the show/unshow hidden files there. |
| 22:09:07 | Kasperle | with the original firmware, i only see one instance of each file |
| 22:09:12 | mick_home | "How would you like to pimp out your ipod today?" |
| 22:09:14 | unleet | 3. |
| 22:09:14 | unleet | Under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders. |
| 22:09:14 | unleet | |
| 22:09:26 | unleet | Ok I found it. |
| 22:09:31 | unleet | This shall be useful. |
| 22:09:49 | rasher | mick_home: There's a diagram and requirements of a (my) dream installer on DesktopTools - if you code that, you will be rewarded much love |
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| 22:10:26 | mick_home | my problem is taht i only have one device to write it for :-( (i can't test on anything else) |
| 22:10:38 | rasher | mick_home: That's where the Uisimulator enters! |
| 22:10:47 | webguest78 | dan_a: probably because 'Playback is broken after recording' (FS #6096) :) |
| 22:10:47 | tucoz | mick_home: But if you start on something, and it looks good, people will follow |
| 22:10:55 | mick_home | right |
| 22:10:58 | dan_a | Ah, that might do it! |
| 22:11:03 | mick_home | Uisimulators? |
| 22:11:05 | PaulPosition | unleet- Dude, I ran short of ideas and I gotta leave real soon (and shower first)... |
| 22:11:07 | rasher | mick_home: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 22:11:21 | Slasheri | Kasperle: but still please try that playlist thing also |
| 22:11:31 | rasher | mick_home: It simulates (not emulates, that is) Rockbox on you computer |
| 22:11:32 | mick_home | rasher: are there already people working on something similar, have they gotten far, and where is the list :-P |
| 22:11:33 | unleet | Thats fine. |
| 22:11:39 | Slasheri | then you can be sure if it's a bug in the code |
| 22:11:41 | PaulPosition | unleet - If you're not lucky enough to meet Barry before you have to leave too, you can try posting at misticriver.net forums where a lot of the iRiver rockboxers meet.. |
| 22:12:05 | unleet | Ohh thats right. Totally forgot about the forums. |
| 22:12:14 | rasher | mick_home: There is a preliminary tool to install Rockbox, written in C+wxwidgets, but the developer went AWOL, and I don't think she released source |
| 22:12:16 | tucoz | rasher: didn´t christi create a wxwindows install tool some time ago? |
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| 22:12:34 | ani-adom | rasher: i just cant get it:\ |
| 22:12:35 | rasher | tucoz: Yeah, it's a good start, but no source.. |
| 22:12:36 | mick_home | rasher: do you have an email address? |
| 22:12:42 | tucoz | Ah. right. |
| 22:13:00 | ani-adom | it bean a week im trying... |
| 22:13:05 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - Is there any patches which you really need? |
| 22:13:18 | ani-adom | yes |
| 22:13:18 | mick_home | rasher: if i can deal w/ other projects, i think i can deal w/ this one person :) |
| 22:13:18 | rasher | mick_home: Should be available.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ChristiScarborough |
| 22:13:36 | ani-adom | color bitmap |
| 22:13:36 | ani-adom | and color changer |
| 22:15:00 | ani-adom | PaulPosition: hmmmmmm |
| 22:15:32 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - And none of the custom build offer them? (either on the forums here, or in some platform-specific forums?) I mean, people have album-art builds for about every platform but the 2bits-graphic ones... |
| 22:16:00 | Kasperle | Slasheri: every file is only once in the playlist |
| 22:16:17 | ani-adom | dont know. |
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| 22:16:31 | ani-adom | i just want to use hipod patch |
| 22:16:31 | Kasperle | Slasheri: or wait! |
| 22:16:36 | rasher | mick_home: You can download it (only for windows) on the forum.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2181.0 |
| 22:16:49 | ani-adom | ant i neeed this patch. |
| 22:16:53 | mick_home | i'll justemail her |
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| 22:17:09 | Kasperle | Slasheri: the playlist contains every file 4x with a different path!? |
| 22:17:23 | mick_home | rasher: if she isn't rational thn i'll do my own thing |
| 22:17:24 | rasher | mick_home: Yeah, it was just if you wanted to see what was done already |
| 22:17:28 | PaulPosition | aniadom - what player you have ? |
| 22:17:32 | mick_home | god what have i gotten myself into... |
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| 22:17:39 | ani-adom | 340 |
| 22:17:54 | Kasperle | Slasheri: /Playlists/iPod_Control/Music/FXX/XXXX.mp3, /Playlists/Playlists/iPod_Control/Music/FXX/XXXX.mp3, and up to 4x /Playlists/ as a prefix |
| 22:18:00 | rasher | mick_home: She is, I don't think you'll have any troubles if you can reach her and she still has the source |
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| 22:18:27 | Kasperle | looks like the filesystem is a bit broken ;) |
| 22:19:50 | | Part low_light |
| 22:20:38 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - Really, if you have an iRiver H3x0, I'd suggest posting a request for help in the rockbox section of the misticriver.net forums. There's at least a few builds already compiled with lots of patch, I can't believe none of them would fit the task... |
| 22:21:20 | PaulPosition | ani-adom - And while waiting for an answer on a forum may seem like Loooong, it's actually often quite faster than trying to understand how to compile, what to compile, why the patch won't sync, how to sync, etc... |
| 22:21:49 | ani-adom | k. |
| 22:22:28 | unleet | Paul I have an idea. |
| 22:22:43 | unleet | Do you suppose the wps or anything needs to be changed? |
| 22:22:59 | unleet | Maybe the bitmap is messed up and needs a different one? |
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| 22:23:09 | PaulPosition | unleet - the basic WPS with rockbox is only text, it shouldn't have to be changed. |
| 22:23:37 | unleet | It was an idea. |
| 22:23:57 | unleet | Then perhaps my H10 doesnt like the main screen and I need a different one? |
| 22:25:05 | PaulPosition | unleet - What *I* would try, is erasing both the rockbox.h10 file in root, AND the .rockbox folder, redownload a build (custom or not) and copy it back. BUT I'd try it with both the usb AND a/c cables plugged in, to be absolutely certain the device gets enough energy to copy files without risking any sort of 'file corruption'. |
| 22:25:31 | PaulPosition | It might not work at all, but it'd be another 'check' on the checklist.. :( |
| 22:25:42 | mick_home | rasher: emailed |
| 22:25:53 | mick_home | lets see what kind or response i get |
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| 22:26:09 | mick_home | i hope it isn't like the one that i got from the clamXav guy |
| 22:26:15 | PaulPosition | Barry! |
| 22:26:38 | tucoz | mick_home: christi is a nice gal |
| 22:26:47 | tucoz | and a rockbox oldie |
| 22:26:50 | mick_home | rasher: would it be possible to put it on the rockbox webpage once it is done? |
| 22:26:57 | rasher | mick_home: Unlikely, she's an old-time rockbox developer who just disappeared |
| 22:26:59 | Slasheri | Kasperle: hehe, so in fact you have the same file 4x on your player =) |
| 22:27:03 | barrywardell | yes |
| 22:27:04 | PaulPosition | Barrywardell - Any idea why a poor gent's h10 install would show a completely screwed screen on bootup? |
| 22:27:07 | rasher | mick_home: Absolutely, we want a good installer |
| 22:27:16 | barrywardell | i'm just reading the logs now... |
| 22:27:22 | Kasperle | Slasheri: really odd. I fear the worst |
| 22:27:23 | unleet | Yes it shows messed up colors |
| 22:27:24 | rasher | None of the current unofficial ones really do what we want |
| 22:27:27 | Slasheri | Kasperle: if you have used previous patches, you need to format the disk |
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| 22:27:40 | Kasperle | Slasheri: sorry? |
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| 22:27:46 | rasher | (and they have all been created independently of Rockbox - no questions or anything) |
| 22:27:59 | Slasheri | Kasperle: on 5.5g they contained bug causing filesystem corruption |
| 22:28:05 | mick_home | and i hate unofficial stuff |
| 22:28:06 | Slasheri | but not sure if that is related to it |
| 22:28:09 | Kasperle | i see :D |
| 22:28:16 | mick_home | i hate forks and the like |
| 22:28:18 | Slasheri | might be, and even the current patch might corrupt the fs |
| 22:28:19 | Kasperle | i tried once or twice |
| 22:28:23 | PaulPosition | unleet - *really gotta leave now*... Try to not pester Barry too much but state your problem. If Anyone can help it's him. |
| 22:28:28 | PaulPosition | Good luck :p |
| 22:28:38 | mick_home | if so, i'd like something taht is accepted by the rockbox devs and does what is required |
| 22:28:40 | unleet | Thank You. |
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| 22:30:13 | mick_home | my goals (personal ones) are: 1) something that is easy (if my wife + mother can install it - it is perfect), 2) something that also works on Linux (Mac would be cool too) 3) something w/ the option to pull a stable or a nightly & a UI for the HFS+ to Fat32 conversion... oh ya, it has to look cool :D |
| 22:30:44 | mick_home | i take it that the current code is GPL? |
| 22:30:58 | rasher | mick_home: All of that should be possible I guess - a lot of the code already exists in the various patching/encrypting utilities |
| 22:31:11 | rasher | mick_home: Everything in CVS, and the wiki should be GPL, yes |
| 22:31:19 | mick_home | also, i'd like something where you just choose a WPS from a dropdown (and i want to call it a "theme" so people don't get lost in jargon) |
| 22:31:31 | rasher | mick_home: We have themes |
| 22:31:39 | rasher | They change, among other things, the WPS :) |
| 22:31:40 | mick_home | !? |
| 22:31:45 | unleet | Barry. |
| 22:31:46 | mick_home | oh god |
| 22:31:53 | mick_home | :) |
| 22:32:10 | mick_home | the whole WPS thing was confusing to me since i thought it was a theme :-/ |
| 22:32:11 | rasher | mick_home: It's possible to change just the WPS, and then themes change stuff like font, background etc |
| 22:32:17 | barrywardell | unleet: what model h10 do you have? |
| 22:32:28 | unleet | The 6gb blue version |
| 22:32:36 | mick_home | rasher: so i probably want to be looking at themes instead of the WPS stuff |
| 22:32:50 | Arathis | unleet: pure or not? |
| 22:32:57 | rasher | mick_home: For an installer, yeah |
| 22:33:03 | unleet | non-pure w/ radio |
| 22:33:19 | rasher | This will be a lot easier once the config is stored in a file rather than directly on the harddisc |
| 22:33:24 | barrywardell | it sounds like you're using a mi4 file for a 20gb model |
| 22:33:33 | barrywardell | where did you get your file from? |
| 22:33:34 | mick_home | rasher: is there a link in the wiki (also i think that needs to be clarified a bit in the wiki) |
| 22:33:46 | unleet | The downloads page for the 6gb version |
| 22:33:58 | rasher | mick_home: about the wps/theme thing? I don't think so |
| 22:34:01 | unleet | and also, paul gave me his mi4 that he uses. still no luck. |
| 22:34:01 | rasher | Not sure |
| 22:34:12 | rasher | To be honest, I don't know much about wps and themes |
| 22:34:29 | mick_home | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ <−− only link i see |
| 22:34:33 | mick_home | via google |
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| 22:34:58 | ani-adom | rasher: thanks for the help:) |
| 22:35:07 | barrywardell | unleet: which one actually boots for you, ie. doesn't give the system files missing error |
| 22:35:31 | rasher | mick_home: Ah yes, that's a semi-official theme collection.. You probably want to ask someone else about this.. |
| 22:35:48 | mick_home | ok, well i'll add those |
| 22:35:51 | unleet | The rockbox mi4's give me the messed up screen and the iriver mi4 works fine. |
| 22:36:08 | mick_home | i'll first get something that works on my nano - then i'll move from there |
| 22:36:37 | mick_home | if someone wants to add stuff, sure (or if someone sends me a player i'll add support) |
| 22:36:54 | mick_home | i'll look at the simulator thingy too |
| 22:36:56 | | Quit ani-adom (":") |
| 22:37:13 | mick_home | for now i care about my nano :-P |
| 22:37:19 | mick_home | i'm a selfish bastard |
| 22:37:32 | pixelma | your? :P |
| 22:37:38 | Kasperle | Slasheri: really odd |
| 22:37:50 | Kasperle | Slasheri: windows doesn't see the additional Playlist folders, FreeBSD does see them |
| 22:37:59 | Kasperle | Slasheri: and rockbox, too, apparently |
| 22:38:13 | Kasperle | then again, the apple firmware doesn't seem to |
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| 22:38:50 | barrywardell | unleet: can you be more specific about what happens with the different rockbox mi4 files (there are 3 different types) |
| 22:39:07 | unleet | Ok. |
| 22:39:13 | mick_home | i think i'll try this win32 app (so far it works vai wine) |
| 22:39:22 | mick_home | i just don't like how it looks |
| 22:39:44 | mick_home | rasher: you said you have a personal list of what you'd like |
| 22:39:50 | mick_home | rasher: can i see the list? |
| 22:39:57 | unleet | The ums gives me a system files missing error. The mtp gives me weird colors. The original iriver file boots fine. |
| 22:40:09 | rasher | mick_home: I don't think that was me, to be honest |
| 22:40:47 | mick_home | ok, you said you had a list of what you would like to see (maybe your wants are the same as someone else's) - who cares :-P |
| 22:40:59 | pixelma | mick_home: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DesktopTools |
| 22:41:13 | rasher | Ah, that |
| 22:41:29 | rasher | Sorry |
| 22:42:25 | mick_home | oh god - a list of half assed tools |
| 22:42:27 | barrywardell | unleet: can you send me your iriver file please? that way i will be able to tell exactly which version you need |
| 22:42:34 | mick_home | i'll need to try all out and weed out the crap |
| 22:42:46 | rasher | mick_home: Last one is my "list |
| 22:42:46 | mick_home | then see what can be done |
| 22:42:54 | mick_home | ok |
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| 22:43:31 | mick_home | i hate it when everyone tries to write something and noone works together |
| 22:43:39 | mick_home | that is the biggest problem in FOSS |
| 22:44:18 | rasher | I don't think anyone but The old InnoSetup installer and the Rockbox Utility has been remotely cooperating |
| 22:44:21 | unleet | May I have some type of email to contact you. The rpads here are closing at 5 for a christmas parade. I must leave soon. |
| 22:44:30 | unleet | roads* |
| 22:44:33 | mick_home | take clamwin for example, i had to go out and find people who tried to write onaccess independently (there were like 6 attempts) −− it is much better to work together and get it included in the "official" builds |
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| 22:45:00 | mick_home | unleet: an email for whom? |
| 22:45:15 | unleet | barry's email. |
| 22:45:25 | barrywardell | unleet: i've pm'ed it to you |
| 22:45:34 | mick_home | rasher: i'll see if i can contact people and see what is up |
| 22:45:44 | mick_home | since it seems like all are incomplete |
| 22:45:48 | unleet | ok. |
| 22:45:55 | mick_home | in one shape or form |
| 22:46:03 | unleet | Ahh same email provider as I. |
| 22:48:26 | mick_home | has anyone looked at the DesktopTools and can tell me what to just forget and what may be the best starting place for the "dream tool"? |
| 22:49:32 | unleet | RockBox |
| 22:49:34 | rasher | I think the only real contender is Rockbox Utility |
| 22:49:38 | unleet | RockBox Utitlity |
| 22:49:59 | zylche | hail Rockbox. |
| 22:50:00 | mick_home | ok, good |
| 22:50:04 | zylche | I said.. |
| 22:50:09 | zylche | HAIL ROCKBOX! |
| 22:50:19 | * | zylche looks around and forces people.. |
| 22:50:30 | * | unleet Weird |
| 22:50:33 | mick_home | then i contacted the right person :0 |
| 22:51:02 | mick_home | if i get a "no, the source is mine and you can't have it" reply, then I'm kicking into high gear |
| 22:51:08 | mick_home | ;) |
| 22:51:16 | unleet | Barry, I will have my original mi4 sent to you. |
| 22:51:38 | rasher | mick_home: I really doubt it, I imagine she just got busy or something like that |
| 22:51:40 | unleet | Im not at home right now but hopefully by tommorrow, you will find it in your email. |
| 22:51:51 | mick_home | cool |
| 22:51:57 | mick_home | i look forward to this then ;) |
| 22:52:02 | unleet | I have sent you my email Barry. |
| 22:52:08 | mick_home | can i get write permissions on the wiki? |
| 22:52:19 | mick_home | i imagine that i'll be doing some edits |
| 22:52:32 | rasher | Ehh.. yes.. I can't remember how that's done.. |
| 22:52:39 | mick_home | i don't complain about things taht i don't like, i fix them ;) |
| 22:52:47 | unleet | by logging in as an admin and changing his status |
| 22:53:06 | mick_home | rasher: if you can, create an account for me |
| 22:53:11 | mick_home | i'll /msg my email |
| 22:53:15 | rasher | unleet: no, his WikiName just has to be added to some page.. |
| 22:53:19 | rasher | Every user can do it |
| 22:53:22 | unleet | Ohh. |
| 22:53:26 | rasher | If he can remember the name of that page |
| 22:53:50 | barrywardell | unleet: i haven't got any email yet. |
| 22:53:54 | pixelma | rasher: I _believe_ it was the TwikiUserGroup |
| 22:54:02 | pixelma | but not sure at all |
| 22:54:35 | unleet | Under pm's I sent my email. |
| 22:54:38 | rasher | TWikiUsersGroup |
| 22:54:41 | unleet | I have not sent the file yet. |
| 22:54:44 | mick_home | will the email addy be public? |
| 22:54:52 | unleet | Be expecting a email from that ccount. |
| 22:55:05 | unleet | Account* |
| 22:55:08 | barrywardell | ok, i'll check for it tomorrow. |
| 22:55:15 | mick_home | if it will be googlable i'll use another account |
| 22:55:16 | rasher | mick_home: Not sure.. |
| 22:55:23 | mick_home | i'll use my gmx |
| 22:55:36 | rasher | I believe it will be obfuscated by default, and you can change what |
| 22:55:41 | rasher | 's displayed |
| 22:56:03 | pixelma | the "no spam" gets added automatically |
| 22:56:14 | barrywardell | unleed: if you have pictures of what your screen looks like, please send them too |
| 22:56:27 | barrywardell | unleet* |
| 22:56:55 | unleet | I did make a avi(video that I could send. I'll just take a few pictures of everything. |
| 22:57:07 | unleet | avi(video)* |
| 22:57:08 | barrywardell | an avi would be fine |
| 22:57:09 | rasher | mick_home: Just say your WikiName here when you're done |
| 22:57:17 | mick_home | MickWeiss |
| 22:57:24 | mick_home | my god twiki sucks |
| 22:57:44 | mick_home | now i know why i use mediawiki :-P |
| 22:57:45 | rasher | Why? |
| 22:57:59 | unleet | Ok well I have one. Ill just need to send it. |
| 22:58:04 | Kasperle | because it sucks marginally less |
| 22:58:32 | rasher | mick_home: You should have write permissions now |
| 22:58:47 | mick_home | lets see it starts off with - "you must concatinate your first and last name to create a wikiname" |
| 22:59:06 | Kasperle | so apparently itunes restoring the ipod will wipe the firmware partition. and my partition table. BLEH |
| 22:59:06 | rasher | mick_home: Well, that's partly a project policy |
| 22:59:07 | mick_home | that is a usability problem, it should automagically concatinate thenm via javascript |
| 22:59:19 | rasher | I guess |
| 22:59:20 | mick_home | or create one for you |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:01 | mick_home | besides, the whole ThisIsATopicForAWiki thing is hard to read |
| 23:00:12 | mick_home | it makes me think of java naming conventions |
| 23:00:20 | mick_home | and it makes me cringe :-P |
| 23:00:35 | mick_home | i think i'll stop now, but i could go on ;) |
| 23:01:05 | mick_home | rasher: just so you know that i'm not like "this sucks", w/o giving actual reasons. |
| 23:01:38 | rasher | Sure, I just happen to think that those are not important enough problems to install the behemoth that is mediawiki |
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| 23:01:50 | rasher | Besides, it was never my choice |
| 23:02:00 | rasher | Just one I happen to agree with |
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| 23:05:19 | mick_home | what problems do you see w/mediawiki? (out of curiousity)? |
| 23:05:37 | mick_home | for one, ThisISAWikiTopic is not readable by screen readers |
| 23:05:47 | mick_home | "this is a topic" is ;) |
| 23:06:16 | dionoea | "This is a topic" (you have to capitalize the first letter :p ) |
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| 23:07:11 | mick_home | dionoea: it does it for you (so there is no usability issue) |
| 23:07:19 | dionoea | right :) |
| 23:07:46 | dionoea | i never understood why they had this "first letter must be uppercase" rule |
| 23:09:11 | hcs | That's The "First Letter Must Be Uppercase" Rule. |
| 23:09:18 | mick_home | i never understood WikiNames :-P |
| 23:09:37 | rasher | That's because it makes it easy to automatically link them |
| 23:10:17 | mick_home | IMO the twwwwwwiki author is a twwwwwwwwat for not considering real people w/ the "we don't need no stinkin spaces" rule :-P |
| 23:10:56 | rasher | Well, that's a general wiki thing |
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| 23:11:04 | mick_home | nope |
| 23:11:09 | rasher | Originally it was |
| 23:11:14 | mick_home | it isn't a problem with mediawiki ;) |
| 23:11:25 | mick_home | like MoinMoin? ya... i know |
| 23:11:43 | mick_home | that is why all the other wikis have (more or less) died and the best one is still around |
| 23:11:56 | mick_home | *cough*mediawiki*cough* |
| 23:11:59 | mick_home | ;) |
| 23:12:06 | rasher | Mediawiki is a monster |
| 23:12:13 | rasher | And a mess |
| 23:12:14 | mick_home | how so? |
| 23:12:34 | dionoea | mediawiki is awesome |
| 23:12:38 | dionoea | it works |
| 23:12:41 | dionoea | it looks nice |
| 23:12:45 | dionoea | it's easy to edit |
| 23:12:48 | dionoea | it's easy to admin |
| 23:12:52 | mick_home | i've contributed a patch to mediawiki - it was easy to code in a hook that emails people when a change is made |
| 23:12:57 | | Quit funky ("leaving") |
| 23:13:06 | mick_home | the code is clean and it isn't a nightmare by any means (IMO) |
| 23:13:24 | mick_home | i've also skinned wiki.clamwin.com to look like clamwin.cm |
| 23:13:26 | rasher | It's just... collapsing under its own weight it seems. I'll admit that I don't have specifics, but I've jsut seen many people complain that it's impossible to work with. |
| 23:13:35 | mick_home | it was one of the easiest things that i've ever done |
| 23:13:55 | mick_home | rasher: oh? funny taht you have no real examples |
| 23:14:05 | mick_home | ;) |
| 23:14:16 | dionoea | hehe |
| 23:14:22 | mick_home | don't have any real examples* |
| 23:14:34 | rasher | I don't keep a log of why people are complaining, but when I see enough people give reasons, I make a note. |
| 23:14:49 | mick_home | i don't see any |
| 23:15:03 | mick_home | and i've used it and coded for it... |
| 23:15:11 | mick_home | skinned it and admined it |
| 23:15:19 | mick_home | and i don't see those complaints |
| 23:16:30 | mick_home | i have seen complaints about wikis in general, "you mean I can edit the page myself?" |
| 23:17:08 | mick_home | and the quality of wiki articles (that is not mediawiki specific though) |
| 23:17:27 | mick_home | </my2cents> |
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| 23:53:11 | mick_home | omg twiki uses http auth |
| 23:53:20 | mick_home | +1 reason why i don't like it |
| 23:54:43 | Bagder | I find it funny how people like to whine about the particular wiki |
| 23:54:57 | pixelma | mick_home: I thought you weren't here to complain ;) |
| 23:56:06 | mick_home | pixelma: i don't - i fix things |
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| 23:56:13 | mick_home | but the wiki is hopeless |
| 23:56:29 | mick_home | if you want me to convert it to mediawiki i ill (complete w/ skin) |
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| 23:56:41 | mick_home | will* |
| 23:56:54 | * | Soap came in late. |
| 23:57:00 | Soap | What wiki is hopeless? |
| 23:57:09 | Bagder | ours |
| 23:57:16 | Bagder | which else? |
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| 23:57:21 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:57:44 | Soap | I was hopeful that wasn't the charge. |
| 23:57:58 | mick_home | lol |
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| 23:58:50 | petur | changing a setting and powering down from within the settings menu doesn't save them |
| 23:58:54 | mick_home | i had a rant of why i hate twiki (usability bugs, accessability bugs, and just other things that make it crappy) |
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