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#rockbox log for 2006-12-01

00:00:18goffayeah.. i don't remember how to set up freedb
00:00:22goffaoff the top of my head
00:01:02Soapthere are tons of excellent EAC setup guides on the net, and this is not really the best place.
00:01:12kellyGok, thanks
00:01:14SoapI don't have EAC on my work machine here.
00:01:36goffai think its on the eac menu
00:01:38goffain preferences
00:01:43goffaor setup.. something like that
00:01:49goffadon't remember the exact place
00:02:15peturEAC -> freedb/database options
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00:02:53kellyGthen what?
00:03:03kellyGget active freedb?
00:03:07kellyGnothing happens
00:03:18goffai think you have to put a fake email address in the email spot
00:03:24kellyGi did
00:03:24*petur observes his repaired squeezebox2 is now already in Germany and does a little SB dance
00:04:08goffahmm... i think you can ok out of that... then ctrl g
00:04:27goffai'm grabbing eac now
00:04:40kellyGok..back in about 20 or so
00:04:49kellyGsorrty..gotta pick up my bro at school
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00:06:24Genre9mp3petur: squeezebox? the device that plays pandora?
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00:06:43peturcould be, I only play my own stuff on it
00:06:49goffahmm... no audio cd
00:06:57goffai doubt i'll be much help when he gets back
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00:07:53goffaor she.. i guess i never asked
00:08:52goffai like the linux script i have.. slap a cd in the drive.. type multirip... wait
00:09:12goffaencodes to flac and mpc
00:09:25goffanames tags, whole works
00:09:33rasherSounds like abcde
00:09:45goffaprobably similar
00:10:42goffayeah.. looks the same looking at the page
00:10:51peturanybody have any problems with accepting this patch?
00:11:40goffaif it works.. nope :)
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00:21:30blue_lizardwhat does one have to do to have an patch accepted into the mainline?
00:21:38*petur is unsure about - adding duplicate strings just to get the ID right is a bit overkill
00:22:00peturblue_lizard: nagging. lots of nagging. And a good patch of course ;)
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00:22:30blue_lizardis "a good patch" defines somewhere?
00:22:51peturfollow the coding rules, they are in the wiki
00:24:24rasherAnd a wanted feature
00:24:30rasherYou might want to discuss it here first
00:24:41blue_lizard"Keep lines below 80 columns length" <- ??
00:24:52peturfor wanted features, press 1 or visit :)
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00:25:22blue_lizardi try first to realize my wanted features
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00:27:43rasherOh of course. But discussing it here first might make it easier to get it accepted.
00:28:23rasherIf it's a plugin, you just have to make sure it works on most targets, and we'll pretty much accept anything
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00:30:09blue_lizardok thx
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00:46:56heyJuliusshort q here, whats the wps code for the 24 hour timestamp?
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01:34:27jbahey does anyone know fo a resonably stable build for iriver h10 ?
01:34:32jbaor do i just take todays daily?
01:34:42preglowwhatever is the newest is probably what you want
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01:35:41jbacool thanks
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01:59:04Shervanyone awake here? :)
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01:59:34venoxhey... I think rockbox is not displaying correctly my nano battery status
01:59:49venoxI've charged it right now
02:00:02venoxand it's showing just a line on the battery meter
02:00:04venoxany ideas?
02:02:22tychverdo restart
02:02:44venoxhmm, nah... rockbox is acting like that since I've installed it
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02:07:48Shervwell, I'll spout off my question now, I was wondering whether any other iAudio X5 users have noticed a weird behaviour with the "next" function of the joystick while in the WPS. Using the latest daily build, sometimes when I try to advance through an album or playlist the device will quit out of the WPS and go to the browser. I'm not pressing down on the joystick to leave the wps, so I'm...
02:07:49Sherv...wondering whether this is a possible software issue....more likely it's hardware :( I just got the new unit two days ago, too
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02:26:57pixelmaSherv: IIRC there was someone in the forum who also reported this
02:27:13Shervreally? I did a search but wasn't quite sure how to write the query
02:27:25ShervI'll try again, thanks!
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02:30:25Exxeh0.o anyone on?
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02:31:39ExxehAnyways, I'll just quickly tell my problem
02:31:50ExxehI have the new 80gb iPod Video
02:32:04ExxehAnd looking to install Rockbox on it
02:32:27ExxehI'm up to the point where I'm trying to find my iPod via iPodpatcher in CMD
02:32:55ExxehInteresting enough, iPod patcher is not finding anything, ipodpatcher 0-26
02:33:21pixelmathe Ipod 5.5g with 80GB hard drive isn't supported yet
02:34:00myzarat all.
02:34:03myzarnot even buggy support
02:34:20ExxehOh, so is that why its not recognizing?
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02:35:58ExxehAight, thanks guys
02:35:58ExxehExxeh out
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02:50:20Shervahh, there we go, found that post in the archived thread
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02:51:54Shervhm, great, sounds like it may be a hardware issue
02:51:55Shervoh well
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02:52:09Shervno surprises there, damn mp3 players and their lack of solid design
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02:54:09jhMikeSSherv: the button reading might need debouncing.
02:55:07ShervDebouncing, eh? Heh...what does that mean?
02:55:49UncleRogerQuick question: The Rockbox homepage says that the Ipod "Video 5.5th gen" is not supported −− is that what Apple calls the "Late 2006" version? (Sorry if this isn't the right place; I couldn't find this info on the website.)
02:56:46UncleRogerDrat. Are there plans to support it in the future? (Near future?)
02:56:48jhMikeSThe value read from the ADC can vary enough to read an incorrect button until it stabilzed. debouncing waits for a stable reading before returning a button press.
02:57:23Shervoh, wow...interesting!
02:57:56ShervThanks for that info, I guess I'll wait until a stable release comes along and then, if necessary, file a bug report
02:57:58jhMikeSI think the iRivers are set up to get the same reading twice before concluding which button is down
02:58:51jhMikeSIt's really that bad for you? I find the glitch very occasional.
02:59:12Shervwell, today it was reallllllly bad
02:59:23Shervit was about every 7th or 8th button press
02:59:40Shervnow that I'm intentionally trying to get it to occur, it has only happened once in over 100 presses
02:59:41Shervgo figure :)
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03:00:03jhMikeSmakes sense to me :)
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03:14:45zylchekcikass, rockbox install is working so far
03:17:08jhMikeSSomeone told me SID codec didn't support the PCM but it plays out. :\
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03:18:40zylchedamn, rockbox error -1 /after/ unzipping the daily build into the ipod..
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04:20:34tychverhow long should it take to buffer elephants dream when playing it on an ipod video?
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04:24:23t0dk0nIf you compile plugins from source, does it compile it into a rock?
04:24:50scorcheyou compile the whole build
04:25:12scorcheand the rockbox will be generated with it
04:25:31t0dk0nahh, do you have to use the generation of it?
04:26:00t0dk0nI mean, if you compile it, can you just keep the rock and copy it over to what you already have?
04:26:13t0dk0non your device, that is
04:26:23scorchein some cases
04:26:26scorchejust try it
04:26:33t0dk0nalrighty, thanks
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05:46:14jibgilmonhi ppl
05:46:22jibgilmonanyone actually here?
05:47:02jibgilmonare u familiar with the daily builds?
05:47:34jibgilmonr u familiar with ipl at all?
05:47:51jibgilmonwell im running a bootloader on my nano
05:47:57tychverI considered if for my ipod video but couldn't find a compelling reason
05:48:09jibgilmonand i have a rockbox dailybuild on it
05:48:18jibgilmonits missing a model
05:48:25jibgilmonso i wanted to install the daily bui;d
05:48:35jibgilmondo u know how to do it through a loader?
05:49:12scorchecan you please rephrase?...i have no idea what you are asking
05:49:13tychvernope, I just use the rockbox loader and unzip them into the root directory of my ipod when I want to use a more recently compiled version from CVS
05:49:38jibgilmonim using an ipl bootloader on my ipod
05:49:47jibgilmonon the bootloader i have rockbox
05:49:56jibgilmonim trying to put a newer version on
05:49:59jibgilmondo you know how?
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05:50:08scorchethe same way you would any other time
05:50:17scorchejust unzip a new build to the root
05:50:38jibgilmonu dont understand, i need it to launch through the loader
05:51:15scorcheyeah...the loader just launches whatever rockbox.ipod file you have there
05:51:34jibgilmonbut i dont know where it is
05:51:39scorchewhere what is?
05:52:07jibgilmonand the loader
05:52:11scorcheit should be on the root of the device
05:52:22scorchethe bootloader is on a seperate partition of the HD
05:52:52jibgilmonlol thx
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06:07:24JdGordonhaha who is the user in the rockbox group fro antarctica?
06:08:12tychverthere are actually a few hundred people in Antarctica at any one point you know...
06:08:15scorchethere is a rockbox group?
06:09:05tychverat one point the satellite connection to south pole base was faster than the connection between Australia and NZ
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06:17:24ScoTTiebefore the southern cross link ?
06:17:33ScoTTieone path of that goes to NZ
06:18:15tychverearly 80s
06:18:25tychverentire of nz was on under 500kb/s
06:25:43tychverwe still don't have huge ammounts now
06:26:51ReolosiNZ's internet is better than AU's now, isn't it?
06:33:59tychvergod no,
06:34:06tychveraus has ADSL2+
06:49:46Reolosiheh, only in central melbourne and central sydney
06:49:55Reolosi99% of the country is still capped to 1500/256 with monthly download limits
06:50:10Reolosiwhile i believe in NZ 5mbit and 8mbit are available
06:50:24ScoTTieim pretty sure other states have ADSL2
06:50:27Reolosi(the ADSL2+ services are 24Mbit down, 1Mbit up, usually with a 100GB/month limit)
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07:07:38tychverin NZ it's either 256/2048/unlimited
07:07:45tychversome plans are 3.5mbit
07:08:11tychverall the plans with a decent data cap, more than 10gigs, are capped at 128k upload
07:08:50tychverI pay NZD65 a month for 1GB a day with 2mbit down and 128k up
07:14:02Jaelae when loading a WPS Theme, you just need to load the theme - and then load the wps under settings - display ... right?
07:14:17JaelaeBecause the theme i got for my iPod 5g it loads the theme but still has real small font
07:16:23Jaelaeah −− nevermind :P
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08:25:29mick_homeanyone know if the map code is available online? i like the "add yourself" feature
08:25:45Bagdermick_home: rasher is mr map man
08:25:59mick_homei've implimented something similar: (also xplanet) −− but i need to update it myself
08:26:24mick_homenot to mention, i used osxplanet and i can't figure out for the life of me how to make it work w/ xplanet :D
08:27:00*mick_home pokes rasher :)
08:27:33mick_homei'd love to simplify the process ;)
08:27:37mick_homecool, thanks
08:27:52rasherIt's not the exact same version as shown, but the main elements are there
08:28:15rasherThe xplanet images are generated off site, I can give you the script ofr that too if you want
08:28:19mick_homeok, i guess if i need something i'll write it myself
08:28:37mick_homesure - why not :)
08:33:29mick_homemany thanks ;)
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08:34:12rasherYou'll want to disallow read access to the file "users.ini"
08:34:23rasherUsing .htaccess or similar
08:34:37mick_homewhich is what, the list of people's names?
08:34:51rasherAnd locations, and retrieving codes :)
08:35:17mick_homewell i've been posting names and lat / long
08:35:32mick_homemany people use nicks - so whatever
08:35:51rasherWell, the retrieving codes allow them to change their location
08:35:56mick_homeand i'm aleady googlable −− if you want to find me −− you will ;)
08:35:57rasherAlso, their email addresses
08:36:19rasherAnd you must get a google API key
08:36:23mick_homeemails are kept in the bot, so that will probably be taken out
08:36:35mick_homeit uses the google api?
08:36:43rasherYes, the "add yourself" is google maps
08:36:51mick_home*sigh* that is what i wanted to not use :-P
08:36:57rasherAh, sorry
08:37:02rasherMay I ask why not?
08:37:15mick_homeoh well - i'll write my own frontend to xplanet
08:37:34mick_homei'm just not a fan
08:37:57rasherI see. But you said you liked the add yourself page?
08:38:00rasherSo why not use it
08:38:23mick_homeya, i guess
08:39:28rasherThe index page in the zip uses google maps as well - but with that script I gave you, it generates a markerfile for xplanet, so you can do whatever you like
08:41:52mick_homewhat is the difference between first and second gen. nanos?
08:42:34JdGordonnot _everything_
08:42:36Bagderthe similarities are very few
08:43:20mick_homewell, i have a black nano −− that is as much as i know :-P
08:45:56mick_home <−− this is pretty much wht i have
08:46:04mick_homeit isn't 1gb
08:46:09mick_homebut that ishow it looks
08:46:19mick_homeat least i don't think it is 1gb.. hmmm
08:46:41rasherDoes it have a metal case, or is the front in plastic?
08:47:12mick_homemetal and it gets scratched easily ;)
08:47:30mick_homealso, if i replace the firmware, can i make it look exactly like it currently looks? (i pretty much want to swap the firmware w/o my wife knowing)
08:48:24mick_homeso i can magically play ogg/flac :) (and i don't get my ass beat for touching "her" ipod) :)
08:54:23mick_homeany very noticable missing features? (compared to the firmware on the nano)
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08:55:38mick_homei guess the second generation nanos are the plastic encased ones?
08:55:53rasherAll metal
08:56:06mick_homeso i'm out of luck anyway ;)
08:56:27rashermick_home: For the nano, mostly reduced battery time and no accessories (not sure if they work with the nano)
08:56:43rasherAnd they have rounded sides
08:57:02mick_homewhat do you mean by "accessories"?
08:57:30mick_homethe "rounded sides" comment is another thing that i'm wondering what exactly you mean ;)
08:57:31rasherStuff like fm transmitters and such. But I don't know if they are available for the nano anyway
08:57:44mick_homebleh, no need for me
08:59:25rasher1G on the left, 2G on the right
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09:00:19mick_homerasher: ah ok - mine is the left one
09:00:23rasher1g then
09:00:33mick_homewhich is good i take it :D
09:00:54mick_homesince i saw the pic @ the daily wiki page
09:01:20mick_homehow many people completely ruin their nano by updating the firmware?
09:01:33rasherYeah, 1G is the only one that works with Rockbox
09:01:34mick_homei mean turn it into a paperweight
09:01:38Bagdermick_home: so far about: zero (0)
09:02:00mick_homeoh yes - :D i'm definitely putting it on this lil sucker ;)
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09:02:40*mick_home reads the manual
09:02:47mick_homeonly 129 pages
09:02:58mick_homei thought the gcc info page was big
09:03:04mick_home*sigh* oh well ::::::::)
09:03:13mick_homedamn kb got stuck
09:03:17tychverGCC info page is considered the concise version
09:03:32tychveronly the GCC develops actually know how all of GCC works
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09:04:32tychverbtw iPodLinux's mv_player uses Mpeg4 video and raw wav sound?
09:05:42Bagdertry #ipodlinux for that
09:05:51*Bagder has no idea
09:05:54mick_homegcc is black magic as far as i'm concerned :-P
09:06:29tychverI'm trying to find out what the ipods are actually capable of decoding in real time with a single core
09:06:56mick_homefor usability purposes... in the manual add how to convert from HFs= to FAT32
09:07:36mick_homeany docs that say "go elsewhere" and don't provide at least a link... are ummmm "lacking"
09:07:48Bagder"IPL currently only plays decompressed video"
09:08:05rashermick_home: Manual is unfinished in a number of places
09:08:14rashermick_home: I'll dig up a wiki link for you, hang on
09:08:16mick_homei see it is a draft
09:08:18tychverThe MV Player is a compressed video player
09:08:32tychverit took out the quotation marks :(
09:08:35Bagdertychver: ... yes, but it only plays decompressed ones ;-)
09:08:58Bagderthat's a strange way to make a compressed video player
09:09:22tychverthere the IPL "Movie player" too
09:09:25mick_homerasher: thanks −− is there a LaTeX or DocBook version where i could "fill in the blanks" and submit diffs?
09:09:39tychverthat's what there talking about with the it only plays decompressed video I believe
09:09:48rashermick_home: the cvs module "manual", help is more than welcome
09:09:54tychverit plays mpeg2 video and pcm sound I think
09:10:03tychverMV player plays mpeg4 and pcm sound
09:10:04rashermick_home: And it's LaTeX
09:10:12tychverbut only it 176x144 I think
09:10:13*mick_home checks out the manual via cvs
09:10:13Bagdertychver: their wiki page claims different
09:10:28Bagder"What is MV Player?"
09:10:31mick_homerasher: i have a horrible habit of contributing to projects that i like ;)
09:10:36Bagder"...only plays decompressed videos"
09:10:52ReolosiWhat specification do I need to check for to know if a set of headphones will be good on portable devices (iPods)? Power handling? Impedance? I know it's not a Rockbox question, but I ask here because I'm sure you're all educated about portable audio.
09:10:52Bagdermpeg4 is not decompressed
09:11:25Bagdermick_home: oh crap, you'll be one of us soon then! ;-P
09:12:31mick_homei'll need to change my cloak :-P
09:12:39peturthe rockborg
09:12:40rashermick_home: has info about how to convert to FAT, either the easy way (use the ipod on a windows computer) or the hard way (described)
09:13:20mick_homegreat, i need to get out the Mac :) (somehow i was thinking that Debian would be the easiest...)
09:13:44mick_homeno biggy
09:14:10rasherOh, it is
09:14:38mick_homei have no idea why this is so exciting for me... i think it is because i wanted to mess w/ this thing since my wife got it XD
09:15:36mick_homelol @ "If your iPod crashes..."
09:15:57rasherThat page doesn't have instructions for converting from HFS->FAT though
09:16:13Bagdertychver: yes?
09:16:25tychverthat post discusses the MV_player, not officially part of IPL yet, but plays mpeg4 in ipod resolution with pcm sound
09:16:48tychverat a whopping 8-15fps depending on bitrate
09:16:57scorche(semi-offtopic, but i could use some help): i have demuxed an mpeg2 file...i wish to edit the audio (specifically to copy the left channel to the right channel) and then remux the file...unfortunately the program that i usually use for editing audio (audacity) doesnt like mp2 files...suggestions?
09:17:20mick_homeok, if my wife decides to come after me w/ a knife −− is there a way to extract the firmware from the ipod and reinstall?
09:18:13LinusNmick_home: yes, have her stab the ipod
09:18:17tychversorche, extract it to a wav, any kind of transcoding is going to kill the quality
09:19:39*mick_home reads the docs some more
09:21:29mick_homeanyone working on a point and click gui to install rockbox?
09:21:41mick_homesomething so laymen can set it up
09:22:02mick_homemight broaden the userbase a bit
09:22:25hcsprobably not a good idea until a new release...
09:22:32scorchemick_home: there will be one when the ipod port will be released
09:22:39scorchein the mean time, there are unofficial ones
09:22:55mick_homeya? hmm
09:23:18mick_homeis there a roadmap?
09:25:43Bagderbut there is a map!
09:25:54tychverI'll bet that ipod nano resolution mpeg2 is possible with mpeg 1 layer 2 audio
09:26:08Bagderof course
09:26:42tychverI shouldn't think that 320x240 is possible without the second core or the broadcom chip though
09:26:42Bagdermpegplayer flies on that afaiu
09:27:01mick_homeBagder: from the op -i take it you are an/the admin?
09:27:15LinusNwe are many
09:27:32mick_homehow many admins do you guys have?
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09:27:45LinusNwe have several admin on dofferemt syste,s
09:27:48tychverthe admin shall be many and the admins shall be few
09:28:05*LinusN can't type today
09:28:15Bagdercna nerve tpey
09:28:16webguest99petur: from properties.c: "const char* kgb[4]" he-he-he!
09:28:46LinusNahaaaaa! gotcha!
09:28:56Bagdermick_home: we're various admins on various systems
09:29:27mick_homewhich one can i bug about creating a roadmap and setting some priorities :-P
09:29:36Bagdermick_home: the dev list
09:29:45Bagderbut don't hold your breath for that kind of stuff
09:29:52Bagderwe all have our own prios
09:30:00mick_homei guess it is more "organized chaos"
09:30:19tychverI was/am an admin for atomic linux, we haven't/never accomplished anything other than a useless gentoo portage overlay
09:30:20mick_homewe run a much tighter ship w/ clamwin :-P
09:30:22LinusNthat's as far as you can come with voluntary spare time projects
09:30:24Bagderand not so organized at times ;-)
09:30:40mick_homeLinusN: not true
09:30:51Bagderno, it depends on the project and the members
09:31:08mick_homei'm really organized and i keep devs on their toes :D
09:31:19LinusNgood for you
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09:31:23*mick_home cracks his whip
09:31:35Bagderthen rockbox will be a challange for you ;-)
09:31:39peturoh no, not another one
09:32:06LinusN"another visitor...stay a while...staaaaay forever!"
09:32:21*Bagder gets that nostalgia C64 look
09:32:24scorchepetur: what are you doing talking on IRC? Get to optimizing now!
09:32:43peturheh, I'm at work, I should be working :p
09:32:45tychverI'm going to try and finish the scrolling acceleration over the next couple of weeks...
09:32:45LinusNi wish i had time to work with my new 5.5g
09:33:25mick_homedo you guys get a lot of donated hw?
09:33:28BagderLinusN: "listen guys, I'll be at a meeting for the rest of the day, do not disturb please"
09:33:31LinusNmick_home: no
09:33:36mick_home"please get XYZ working" type of stuff
09:34:05Bagdermick_home: we get a lot of requests and whiners though
09:34:08mick_homew/ a cool project like this, you guys should at least get new hw :-P
09:34:17LinusNmick_home: we get money
09:34:26mick_homeBagder: i guess open source is open source ;)
09:34:29LinusNand we buy hw with that
09:34:35Bagdermick_home: oh yes
09:34:50mick_home"i want onaccess scanning. NOW!"
09:34:55*mick_home shivers
09:35:31tychverI don't want to whine an moan, I want to figure out how rockbox works and learn C properly but fiddling with it
09:35:47tychverguess I'm in a bit of a minority eh
09:35:55LinusNtychver: that's the spirit
09:36:09LinusNthis is a gem:
09:36:10Bagderwell, to be fair we have a large amount of skilled contributors
09:36:55tychveryeah, the unofficial patches are a pretty good sign of that
09:37:53LinusNwe also have our fair amount of half-baked patches that never end up in cvs
09:37:57mick_homerotfl - that sounds like a clamwin user :-P
09:38:07LinusNmick_home: nice one, isn't it?
09:38:20tychverI suspect that I'm going to become the author of several of those :P
09:38:23mick_homei stopped reading our forums :-P
09:38:34mick_homei just can't take it anymore
09:38:38Bagder310 open patches
09:38:55mick_homegeez, at least you have some good contributors
09:39:17JdGordonspeaking of open patches... #6399 is ready for review
09:39:17LinusNunfortunately, some of those patches are ready to be committed, but the devs don't have the time to do it
09:39:45mick_homewe have ~5 main developers / contributors −− and we don't get many contributions at all :-(
09:39:57tychveryeah, and some of the patches have been made redundant already (scrolling acceleration patch)
09:40:10mick_homewe have a big userbase though (which is nice to a degree)
09:40:23hcsrockbox is an awesome new platform to develop for
09:40:36LinusNReolosi: i don't know the specs, but i guess any pair of earbuds will do just fine
09:41:06LinusNmick_home: that's because organized projects are so boring :-P
09:41:20mick_homeok, to go back to my original qyuestion - can i make it look very similar to how my nano currently looks?
09:41:32mick_homeLinusN: :-P
09:41:33LinusNmick_home: yes, but only in the wps
09:41:54LinusNthe navigation will still be different
09:41:56mick_homeright (i take it that that is rockboxish for "skin") ?
09:42:10LinusNwps = while playing screen
09:42:47mick_homeand can i revert to the firmware that is currently on it if i have to?
09:43:01tychverwikipedia seems to think that 320x240 mpeg2 with the spatial profile and main level takes 384kbits
09:43:24Bagdermick_home: you can boot up in Apple's OS by pressing some key while starting it
09:43:32Bagderor revert completely
09:43:40mick_hometychver: wikipedia also recommends people use winpooch −− that should say something about the quality of some of the articles :-P
09:43:40scorcheand holding it...not press =)
09:44:01*Bagder will improve one day
09:44:21mick_homeBagder: so it has some builtin thing to revert?
09:44:37Bagdermick_home: the install page describes the revert procedure too, afair
09:44:51mick_homeso i have nothing to loose
09:45:01Bagdermick_home: only your wife's trust ;-)
09:45:15*mick_home gets started
09:45:29mick_homei feel bad for the wives of geeks sometimes
09:45:37mick_homeok, not always... but sometimes ;)
09:45:41LinusNhide the kitchen knife first
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09:46:03Bagderyou can tell LinusN is experienced in this art
09:46:14LinusNand prepare to sleep on the sofa
09:46:26LinusNwith one eye open :-)
09:46:36tychvermick_home: I looked through the article's references and I can't see it mentioning those specific numbers in any of them :S
09:46:44mick_homeafter taking the laptop apart - that is where i am sleeping
09:46:47mick_homej/k ;)
09:49:27tychverugh, I just found out why the spatial profile has such a low bitrate, it struggles to deal with motion
09:49:50tychverscratch using that, it's like watching a it through webcam
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09:50:22Kingstoneanyone here?
09:50:28LinusNnot a single soul
09:50:40Kingstonei wanted to know something about ipodpatcher
09:50:42Kingstoneis it GPL?
09:51:03Kingstoneon what license is it based on?
09:51:49LinusNfrom the wiki: "The two executable programs are licensed under the GNU GPL"
09:52:42Kingstoneso just one last question
09:53:09Kingstoneif i want to use ipodpatcher.exe in my program, my program needs to be too under GPL and i need to publish the soruce code?
09:53:30Kingstonei'm talking about just the binary, not ipodpatcher's source code, right?
09:53:54LinusNwell, if you use the binary, your program doesn't have to be gpl
09:54:04Kingstoneoh, so only source code?
09:54:42LinusNbut, if you redistribute the binary, the source code must be available from you
09:55:01Kingstonewhat do you mean?
09:55:13Kingstoneif my program is in a zip and i put ipodpatcher.exe there
09:55:25Kingstonei need to provide source code for my program?
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09:55:39LinusNif you distribute ipodpatcher.exe in your zip, you must also be able to provide the source code for ipodpatcher upon request
09:55:50Slasherihmm, i just implemented a hack for the hardware sector size detection. At first we try to mount assuming the sector size 512 and if that fails, then with 2048 again
09:56:05Kingstonefor ipodpatcher, not for my whole program, right?
09:56:06Slasheriand then fat also uses the real logical sector size
09:56:11Slasheriseems to work now :)
09:56:14LinusNKingstone: right
09:56:35KingstoneSlasheri, this might not be the best idea
09:56:40LinusNSlasheri: good
09:56:50LinusNwhy not?
09:56:53SlasheriKingstone: i have no idea how else it could be done
09:57:01Kingstonethere seem to be a value hardcoded somewhere in the hardware
09:57:09Kingstonewhich says the sector size
09:57:13tychverbaseline profile mpeg4 part 10 (h264) does 320x240 at 20fps for 384Kbit/s :D
09:57:19Slasheriok, then that could be used
09:57:28LinusNKingstone: tell me more
09:57:33Kingstonebut me and the ipl guys couldn't find it
09:57:38Kingstonei know windows can
09:57:41Kingstoneusing ioctl command
09:57:51Kingstonebut dunno how to do it from the ipod itself
09:57:58Kingstonefor now we use the mbr
09:58:20LinusNKingstone: but the disk itself doesn't have 2048 byte sectors, does it?
09:58:33Kingstoneit does, why not?
09:58:39Kingstoneapple seems to save it in offset 11
09:58:43LinusNbecause no other hard drive has it?
09:58:47Kingstonebut it sometimes BE and sometimes LE
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09:59:06Kingstonewhat do you mean no other hard drive has it? why is that?
09:59:17peturcan't we use offset 0x0b in the bootsector: bytes per sector? or is that value not there?
09:59:23LinusNbecause 512 byte sectors is kind of an industry norm
09:59:44LinusNi believe even the ATA spec uses 512 byte sectors
10:00:29Kingstonethis maybe true but i'm saying that in fact, the real sector size is not written in the mbr
10:00:42LinusNof course not
10:00:46Kingstonewindows too doesn't rely on it, it relies on the disk geometry
10:00:58Kingstonethat's why we think it's a hardware value
10:01:16Kingstonebut for now the best thing to do, is to use offset 0xb in the MBR
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10:01:25*LinusN bought a 5.5g ipod yesterday to investigate this
10:01:26Kingstoneunsigned short value
10:02:09LinusNi can't think of a good technical reason to use 2048-byte sectors
10:02:39Kingstonethat's what Apple did, not me..
10:02:42tychvercan x264 be run on an ipods ARM7TDMI?
10:02:59LinusNKingstone: i know, but i can't understand why
10:03:31Kingstonelook here in vfs_init()
10:03:34Slasherihard drive itself has normal 512 byte sectors
10:03:35Bagdertychver: sure, the question is only how fast it can show anything
10:03:51Slasheribut partition table etc. are calculated using 2048 sectors
10:05:23KingstoneSlasheri, then how would you justify the fact the partition is in offset 63*2048 from the start of the disk? and not *512?
10:05:55tychverwell there are mpeg4 codecs that run incredibly well on ARM9 based mobile phones, so I should guess that it's workable
10:05:59LinusNKingstone: because they want the disk to pose as a 2048-byte disk?
10:06:37Kingstonewhen you come to a hdd, you don't know at first what is the sector size, it must be written somewhere, else, how can you calculate the relative sector position for the partitions?
10:06:38Bagdertychver: 1) the ARM9 cores genereally run a lot faster and 2) they may have more optimized codecs than we do
10:06:42peturSlasheri: then why not look for the FAT start marker at 512byte and 2048 byte offsets? or am I seeing this too easy
10:07:24Slasheripetur: trying to mount the partition does practically the same thing
10:07:35Slasheriit does not mount unless strict checks are met
10:08:05LinusNKingstone: from the ATA-5 specification: "sector: A uniquely addressable set of 256 words (512 bytes)."
10:08:35Slasherihmm, now i need someone to test the patch on non 5.5G to see if it breaks the fs code
10:09:01Kingstonei didn't say it's incorrect
10:09:27Kingstonebut checking for 512 first and then for 2048 is too easy, u need a standard check
10:09:48Kingstonei'm sure it's hardcoded somewhere, we just need to find it
10:09:54Kingstonefor now, rely on offset 0xb
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10:10:21LinusNKingstone: any luck with the 80gb version?
10:10:49Kingstoneyou mean by trying to read the hdd contents?
10:11:09mick_homeyou won't believe this... i lost my damn nano
10:11:12mick_home"my" ;)
10:11:20LinusNmick_home: hide the knife
10:11:22Kingstoneno, we're still trying to work on that
10:11:29mick_homei've looked evrywhere :(
10:11:34Kingstoneit's a tough one
10:11:44LinusNKingstone: i'm about to start working on that with my new 80gb ipod
10:12:17LinusNso any information from you guys is valuable
10:12:22mick_homegood luck w/ that
10:12:29Kingstonei don't have a 5.5g, only nano 2g and regular 5g
10:12:37Kingstonebut if i get something on that, i'll tell you
10:12:51SlasheriLinusN: would you like to try,
10:12:55LinusNlet's see who cracks it first :-)
10:13:05Slasherishould work on any player
10:14:27LinusNSlasheri: i think LOGICAL_SECTOR_SIZE should be PHYSICAL_SECTOR_SIZE
10:14:40linuxstbSlasheri: Are there still bugs on your 30GB 5.5g?
10:15:48SlasheriLinusN: ah, true
10:15:59Slasherilinuxstb: not any critical ones
10:16:15Slasherior in fact i just got one "white noise" bug
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10:16:21LinusNwhat about that playlist bug?
10:16:28Slasherithat is already fixed in cvs
10:16:32caduhello guys! is there a port of rockbox for running 'hosted' inside a linux kernel?
10:16:36Slasheriit was a stack overflow
10:16:46LinusNcadu: no
10:16:49cadulike, running inside linux using SDL or directfb
10:16:50Bagdercadu: there's a simulator that can run on linux
10:16:57Bagderusing sdl
10:17:15cadu<−− has a gp2x , and it's media player sucks :)
10:17:17tychverBadger: All the phones that go mpeg4/h264 seem to be running 200+ mhz ARM9s
10:17:27Bagderof course
10:17:33Bagdernobody does anything arm7 these days
10:17:37cadugp2x is a 200+ mhz arm9 :)
10:17:51LinusNSlasheri: ah, that one
10:18:12Bagdercadu: it would be possible to get the sim as a basis for such a player
10:18:20SlasheriLinusN: yep, pretty simple one but it was really hard to find
10:18:31LinusNi can imagine that
10:18:34Slasherineed to implement logging deeply in the fat driver
10:18:35caduBagder: like, the gp2x is a portable that already runs arm linux
10:19:28tychver is there anything that offers better compression than mpeg2 and isn't as demanding as mpeg4?
10:19:55Bagdertychver: there's very little gain to go mpeg4 compared to mpeg2 on that tiny resolution
10:19:56*petur recommends a large hammer
10:20:19Bagderputting effort on adding sound is a better idea, imho
10:21:06tychverbadger: really? I was under the impression that mpeg4 offered far better quality than mpeg2 at cell phone sized resolutions
10:21:35Bagderit should be easy enough to test of course
10:21:37linuxstbtychver: Do some test encodings and compare. MPEG-2 looks good to me though.
10:22:05Slasherimpeg-2 is high-quality with reasonable bitrate
10:22:17Slasherifor example DVB broadcasting uses it also
10:22:22tychverwell mpeg2 was already considered to be better than mpeg3 at high bitrates
10:22:33BagderSlasheri: I believe there's mpeg4 dvb too
10:22:38tychverso why develop mpeg4 if not for low bitrates
10:22:39linuxstbThere is indeed.
10:22:52SlasheriBagder: hmm, probably that is with HDTV
10:22:59linuxstbBut for High-def broadcasts (1440x1080i or 1920x1080i)
10:23:05*linuxstb needs to speed up
10:23:36*Bagder has a half-baked DVB-T board on his table next to him
10:24:56linuxstbtychver: mpeg4 is a huge standard with many different profiles aimed at various bitrate ranges. HDTV broadcasts use MPEG-4 AVC which pretty much demands a decidicated hardware decoder - general-purpose CPUs can't handle it.
10:25:07tychverfound an article on mpeg2 vs mpeg4
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10:34:12tychvertoms hardware guide recons that a 700mhz amd thunderbird (x86 circa early 2000) could decode 720x576
10:34:20tychverwere looking at 320x240 max
10:34:30tychverabout a 5th as many pixels
10:35:01tychverand that was with divx which is heavily optimised for compression rather than decoding speed
10:37:31tychverwait, I mean quality for a given resolution
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10:38:05tychverit uses 1.2-3.0 times as much bandwidth as baseline mpeg4
10:38:46tychverbadger: I think that baseline profile 320x240 mpeg4 should be possible on an ipod
10:41:31linuxstb320x240 MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 would be a struggle if mpegplayer's performance is a guide.
10:41:49Bagdertychver: what do you base those guesses on?
10:42:00Bagder"should be possible" ?
10:43:12tychverdivx at 720x576 uses around 6Mbit/s and takes a 700mhz x86
10:43:21linuxstbMy 400MHz Pentium-2 could handle 720x576 MPEG-2...
10:44:18tychverwere looking at bitrates of 384 or 480 for an ipod video screen
10:46:00Bagderwell, can you find any arm7-based player with a single core that can play 320x240 mpeg4?
10:46:04linuxstbDon't forget we also have the overhead of updating the 5g's LCD, which isn't the fastest...
10:46:27BagderI mean, with a framerate that is pleasing
10:48:42tychverARM7TDMI takes 20mhz to decode MPEG4 at 15fps
10:50:09Bagderwell, I challenge you or anyone to prove that on a live target
10:50:20linuxstbIt also depends what it means by decoding. MPEG-4 decodes to yuv, which needs to be converted to RGB to be written to the ipod's LCD.
10:50:42tychveralso has the frequency needed for that
10:50:47BagderI believe that decode number is to yuv
10:50:51linuxstbThe yuv2rgb decoding and writing to the LCD takes a large proportion of the total time.
10:51:11Bagder"Based on these performance figures, we can conclude that SQCIF @ 10fps grade MPEG-4 video messaging is possible"
10:51:38Bagdertychver: still, theory is one thing, reality another
10:51:52tychveryes but remeber that's talking about encoding and decoding simultaneously
10:52:26Bagderif you come anywhere near those number, I'll take my hat off for you
10:52:30linuxstbBut total decode time for QCIF@15fps (176x144) is 41MHz...
10:52:49linuxstbSo 320x240@25fps or 30fps isn't going to fit in 75MHz.
10:52:57tychverwhich is almost nano resolution
10:53:27tychveripod video resolution isn't happening but you could have some very happy 4th gen/ nano users
10:53:40linuxstbYes, I'm sure Nano resolution mpeg-4 is feasible. I think mpegplayer manages 30fps playback already (without very much optimisation).
10:54:45linuxstbBut to be honest, I don't think the video codec matters that much - you have to re-encode anyway to get video at the size of your LCD.
10:55:27tychverjust made ipod video users do without fullscreen :P
10:56:33tychveror they can just use mpeg2 and deal with a lower playback time and bigger videos
10:57:34tychverthe posibility is rather intoxicating
11:02:53tychverit's probably easier to get the broadcom chip working than it is to get 320x240 mpeg 4 on the arm7
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11:03:52crashdno progress on the broadcom as of yet?
11:06:10tychverBroadcom says: Highly integrated solution combining video and audio processing, polyphonic sound synthesis, an LCD controller, and 32Mbits of embedded SDRAM on a single package
11:07:10zei'm curious to know about the broadcom chip and how its wired in the ipod videos and the capabilities thereof
11:07:23tychverthere's a big list of capabilities
11:07:29tychverjpeg encode and decode for one
11:07:45zewith appleos tv-out only works for specific functions and i wonder if thats just limitations of the firmware or hard limits
11:08:21zeyou know, no browsing display or anything
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11:08:28zejust the slideshow or video playback
11:08:56zethere's even expensive docks that do their own music browsing interface on the TV
11:09:00zeand they actually suck pretty hard
11:09:22zeno playlist creation support, rather limited capability in general
11:09:31zenot even as good as the firmware's browsing
11:09:37zeand they still don't browse video or pictures
11:09:47zeyou have to switch them to video mode and then still browse on the ipod for those
11:10:36zeit'd be sweet if rockbox could someday do a whole interface output on the tv-out
11:11:18zeseems like there'd at least be a hacky way to go about that
11:12:07tychveryou could just pipe the screen in as a jpeg and display it on the TV
11:12:15zeyeah thats what i was thinking
11:12:55zegotta wonder what apple was thinking though not to offer such a function
11:13:05zeespecially if its something that easy
11:13:17*petur gets the feeling this is one of those wild dreaming sessions
11:13:31tychverit looks like it might be intended for use as the TV out in a digital camera
11:13:36Bagderze: they left out a million easy features
11:13:44zeBagder: i suppose
11:13:59zei haven't really used it much since its not mine and i still have my karma hehe
11:14:01Bagderipod is hardly very feature-packed
11:15:08tychverhence using rockbox to extend functionality
11:15:25zeso if its a wild dreaming session, that mean there's little chance of rockbox supporting the broadcom chip?
11:15:40BagderI don't think anyone is working on that
11:15:58Bagderso you won't step on anyone's toes
11:16:22tychverit's its own cpu by the looks of it
11:16:25zewell i'll wait for it to have basic functionality on the 80G 5.5g to start with :p
11:17:08zewhich isn't to say that i even have the requisite skills to accomplish it anyway...
11:17:43zei mainly hope that somebody with such might eventually take an interest
11:17:53*ze goes back to watching dr who
11:18:01tychverdr who rocks
11:18:03peturdo we even have datasheets of that chip?
11:18:33tychverbroadcom are tight about any information on their chips
11:18:40scorchedo we have datasheets of any of the chips in the ipod?
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11:19:38zetychver: i like the 9th doctor the best so far, but i've only seen the 9th, 10th, and currently going through the 4th (hows that for continuity :p)
11:19:57linuxstbWe actually do have some - the pcf50605 and the Wolfson audio codecs.
11:20:05zeif it wasn't for the 9th and 10th first, i'd have trouble looking past the cheesy effects of the 4th though heh
11:20:11*petur hasn't seen the doctor in *years*
11:20:18LinusNlinuxstb: but not all of the wolfson codecs :-)
11:20:31linuxstbNo, but close enough for most things...
11:20:59linuxstbI guess we should fix (i.e. remove) the HW eq...
11:21:17peturwe could use a mole from inside a big DAP manufacturer...
11:22:24peturlet's use some paypal money as a prize for broadcom and pp chip datasheets :)
11:23:02LinusNwe have far too few moles :-)
11:23:48Slasherihmm, i am soon going to commit the 5.5G patch :)
11:23:58scorchewell, if i ever get a job at a manufacturer, i will toss some along ;)
11:24:12LinusNi guess all of us are burned in that respect :-)
11:24:13Slasherinow trying to get original firmware loading to work also
11:24:15peturSlasheri: will that code be included for all targets or just ipoo?
11:24:43Slasheripetur: for all targets, but 2048 byte sectors wont work with units less than 8 MB ram
11:24:56Slasheri(then MAX_SECTOR_SIZE is just the normal 512)
11:26:16linuxstbWhy not just set MAX_SECTOR_SIZE to 512 for all targets apart from 5g?
11:26:40Slasherihmm, that is possible to do also..
11:26:46Slasheriit's just an ifdef
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11:27:29Slasherido you think it would be better that way?
11:32:15linuxstbDoes your current patch introduce 2048-byte buffers on targets where they are not needed?
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11:40:04Slasherilinuxstb: yes
11:40:19Slasheriwell, i will change it that so it's enabled only on ipod video targets
11:43:59linuxstbDoes the config sector work correctly on your 5.5g?
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11:46:54peturinteresting result google returned:
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11:49:03Bagder"The device indicates the 1KB sector size to the host by returning 2001h in word 106 of IDENTIFY DEVICE. This indicates that the device has 2 512 byte logical sectors to compose a 1KB physical sector."
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11:50:17peturthey do mean the opposite: larget *physical* sectors and maintaining 512 byte logical size....
11:51:12*petur wonders what ioctl BLKGETSIZE maps to
11:51:56peturprobably handled by the apple usb->disk code
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12:02:08crashdanyone know a surefire way to brick an ipod?
12:02:30Kasperlea hammer
12:02:35crashdheh, not physically damage it
12:02:47Paul_the_NerdWhy do you *want* to brick it?
12:02:51crashdjus stop it being recoverable, the place i bought my 5g from wont replace it because of a dodgy headphone jack
12:02:56crashdbut they will replace it if it wont boot
12:03:03crashd1year warranty kinda thing
12:03:27Kasperleyou could probably manipulate an aupd file on the firmware partition
12:03:37Paul_the_NerdSomehow, I doubt they cover intentional damage, and we're not fond of fraud around here.
12:03:46crashdPaul_the_Nerd: thanks for being my moral fibre
12:03:56crashdKasperle: yeah, i thought of that
12:04:02crashdit isn't fraud, im being ripped off with a dodgy unit
12:04:14Paul_the_NerdThen go in and prove the terms of your warrant cover it.
12:04:30crashdthey don't, clearly
12:04:36crashdwhich is why im trying to adhere to the terms
12:04:43Paul_the_NerdSo how exactly did you get ripped off?
12:04:50crashdbecause it's fucked?
12:05:04crashdi dont want a discussion on the morality or fraudulence of the situation
12:05:21Paul_the_NerdWell, you're asking for help in a place you shouldn't be, for doing something illegal.
12:06:22crashddrop the act kk
12:06:47Paul_the_NerdDrop your line of questioning.
12:06:58crashdi only asked once, and you've been giving me gip ever since
12:07:44Paul_the_NerdBecause we don't like discussion of how to do illegal things here.
12:08:19Paul_the_NerdIn fact, freenode itself has a policy on unlawful activity as well.
12:08:26crashdapart from reverse engineering firmwares
12:08:38crashdor breaking aup and t+c's on various things
12:08:39crashdbut that's cool.
12:09:37zecrashd: why not fix the headphone jack yourself, or rma it through apple?
12:09:47thegeek_fixing it would break warranty
12:09:55crashdwhat he said.
12:09:59crashdapple won't take it, i phoned them about it
12:10:01zeso would intentionally bricking it
12:10:06crashdbut the place i bought it will replace it if it wont boot
12:10:09crashdor whatever
12:10:19crashdbut the headphone problem is an intermittent issue
12:10:23thegeek_then you dont have to brick it
12:10:47thegeek_if they replace it if it wont boot you could just format the drive or something
12:10:53Paul_the_NerdHe's still got to lie regarding its status and/or what he's done about it.
12:10:53crashdyeah, but it's recoverable then
12:10:58Paul_the_NerdPlease, stop discussing this in channel
12:11:04Paul_the_NerdI cannot monitor PMs, but this is not the place.
12:11:39zei don't think warranties are specific to the nature of the defect generally
12:11:44zeits defective, they should replace it
12:11:51crashdze: that's what I said
12:11:55crashdbut they seem to think differently
12:11:57zemaybe you didn't say it properly
12:12:49thegeek_most warranties have a clause that voids them if the damage is intentional;P
12:13:45zeconfirm the wording of the warranty... if it supports your claim (and it probably does), see if you can get a free consultation on it and see if you can't threaten them with a legal suite that'll not only replace the unit but make them reimburse you for legal fees :p
12:13:59zeof course if you can go a nice way about it first, that'd be easier and better overall
12:14:06zebut that recourse could have potential
12:14:28crashdwell, id love to go the decent route
12:14:34crashdbut i just want a working mp3 player
12:16:33linuxstbcrashd: The answer to your question is no - ipods can always be recovered unless you physically damage them.
12:17:06crashdthank you linuxstb
12:17:10crashdthat's all i wanted to know
12:18:32Kasperlelinuxstb: is there no way to overwrite the firmware in flash such that the ipod won't boot anymore?
12:19:19Paul_the_NerdWell, that's a "we don't know how to yet" I think.
12:19:24zebestbuy was good to me with a service plan, they replaced things several times, including for stuff as simple as intermittent headphone jack connection issue, and they rarely ever even checked for the problem
12:19:36KasperlePaul_the_Nerd: yeah, I guess few would be willing to try that ;)
12:19:45linuxstbYou would need to know how to encrypt a bootloader image.
12:19:49Paul_the_Nerdze: Best Buy even offers accidental damage warranties on Laptops at least, which means my cats can claw the screen, and I can get it replaced.
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12:19:57zePaul_the_Nerd: neat
12:19:57Kasperlelinuxstb: so the aupd files are encrypted?
12:20:45linuxstbThe main firmware images are unencypted (apart from the Nano 2G), but protected by a simple checksum.
12:21:27Kasperlethose are the osos images? (and that extra one for the 5.5g?)
12:24:07zemaybe what crashd means to say is that he wants to volunteer for testing the flash-firmware encryption :p
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12:26:12linuxstbKasperle: Yes.
12:26:36linuxstb(Version 1.2 and later of the Nano firmware also has the extra one)
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12:42:08pixelmalinuxstb: regarding Sudoku on Ipods - did I understand correctly that you can only move "horizontally" across the board (maybe I missed something in the sim)?
12:42:37lexyes you dd
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12:43:16pixelmacould you explain a bit further :)
12:44:15pixelmalex: did I understand or miss something?
12:44:25lexyou just scroll it horizontally, left to right, right to left, and when you're out of that line where you are, then it moves down or up
12:44:44pixelmaalright, thanks
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12:57:39KasperleSlasheri: what do your 5.5g patches do?
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13:35:22amiconnlinuxstb: Overwriting the flash in the ipods should be fairly trivial. Just switch the flash to programming mode and do it
13:35:42amiconnThe flash is one of the few chips that _is_ documented (b/c it's a standard chip)
13:36:41amiconnDoing it in a way so that the ipod still works afterwards is a different matter...
13:43:33linuxstbHow does that work? Do you just write to normal memory locations to switch it to programming mode?
13:44:17amiconnYou write a sequence of values to certain addresses
13:44:33amiconnCheck the flash plugins how this works
13:47:00linuxstbKasperle: His patch just fixes the Rockbox FAT driver IIUC.
13:47:43linuxstbHe posted this link to it earlier:
13:54:29peturwow... properties are already in the manual :)
13:54:58n1sit was fairly simple
13:56:23*n1s still wants people committing new features to document them somwhere, looks at playlist catalog
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14:04:35webguest99n1s: yesterday I made a patch for the pitch screen description in the manual. But I have not tested it since I don't have TeX on that comp
14:05:27peturoh right... me committing that also needs manual update :/
14:05:38n1swebguest99: I'm playing with it now, it made the buttontable look funny ;-)
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14:06:45webguest99n1s: I noticed one typo: the H300 key for leave screen is ButtonOff or ButtonOff. One of them shouldb e ButtonOn of course
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14:06:56n1sfixed that already
14:07:51webguest99n1s: what is funny?
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14:08:57n1sthe long lines to the left never broke so the right column was about 4 cm wide wich made the table take up a whole paga and was impossible to read.
14:09:03webguest99petur: have you had a chance to try the new key mapping? Does it feel more intuitive?
14:09:48peturI did try it before committing and I liked it. I usually don't use the pitch screen though...
14:09:53Xadowhi ppl
14:10:20webguest99n1s: you mean "in XXX mode?" We should probably add a line break before that and use smaller font for the text
14:10:22peturbut pressing stop to get back to the wps was (and still is) not in line with the rest of the interface
14:10:40Xadowdoes any of you know if rockbox has plans for zune or not?
14:10:49peturnone so far
14:11:09webguest99petur: I kept is because it's a menu (for me)
14:12:28n1swebguest99: I made some changes to the buttontable, moved the (in blah mode...) to the right column etc.
14:12:37n1sok, committed now.
14:12:54peturah yes... pressing stop in a menu also goes back to wps. Doesn't feel intuitive.. ah well...
14:13:19Xadowheh, i cannot believe that zune doesn't play wav files...
14:13:48*zylche damns Zune to the devil..
14:13:50linuxstbDoes it support any lossless formats?
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14:14:52*linuxstb reads WMA, MP3 and AAC. Impressive list of codecs...
14:15:18zylcheby an unimpressive company?
14:15:56linuxstb_maybe_ it supports WMA lossless.
14:16:04Xadowi cannor believe how much it sucks... and there are fans of it!... wi-fi....
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14:24:18Xadowheh, i just found our that sony's portable plays atract files >_>
14:25:13*petur isn't attracted to atrac
14:30:19Kasperlelinuxstb: ah, cheers. I'll give it a try. I had a lot of crashes with rockbox on my 5.5g which I didn't have time to document/investigate further :(
14:32:14Xadowi have tried it on cds, it's a hot format
14:32:31peturclosed, too
14:32:35Xadow(on cuality)
14:33:07petursupported by Sony, Sony and ... euh... Sony :p
14:33:23LinusNKasperle: even with today's daily build, with the stack overflow fix?
14:33:27Xadowyah, but i only have a sony cd player by now XD
14:33:33linuxstbRealNetworks support ATRAC..
14:33:55linuxstbThere are some webcasts available in ATRAC in a Real container.
14:34:37peturwell I never liked Real too :)
14:35:01peturtheir player sucked big time
14:35:16linuxstbI just use mplayer...
14:35:26Xadowi used it for a time, it wasn't bad at all...
14:35:42Xadowmp? nah, foobar owns! ^_^
14:36:01peturit insisted on keeping its loader in memory... didn't like that so I ditched them long time ago
14:36:15Xadowi see
14:36:51linuxstbmplayer from Plays everything (audio/video) you can throw at it.
14:39:45peturI now use squeezebox2 at home and my h340 + wireless headphones at work
14:40:28LinusNi bought a used xbox last week, installed a smartxx chip and xmbc on it, it rocks!
14:40:42LinusNxbmc i mean
14:40:58LinusNplays everything from my nslu2 smb share
14:41:26LinusNreally nice
14:41:30peturit it silent (fanless)?
14:41:47linuxstbxboxes are far from silent... (at least, mine is)
14:41:49LinusNstill the original fan, will install a silent one soonish
14:42:04LinusNbut it will never be totally silent
14:42:11linuxstbI just use it for media playing as well (with xboxlinux)
14:42:37LinusNstill a damn nice and cheap media center solution
14:42:53Xadowwouln't a liquid ref. system be more silent?
14:43:26LinusNi bet you can get it quite silent if you put your mind to it
14:43:42LinusNthere's still the hard drive...
14:43:54*tehsmo would just use 120mm fans, it's easier and pretty quiet
14:44:10LinusNhard to make 120mm fit
14:44:20tehsmoyou could cut a hole for it in the top, maybe
14:44:25LinusNeven 80mm is big
14:44:57*linuxstb is looking to upgrade a HDTV-capable media player if anyone has any ideas...
14:45:10peturin my pc I use samsung spinpoints suspended in rubber bands and 120mm fans at 5V, mounted on soft pads
14:45:13LinusNi have an 80mm silent fan which i will install when i get too annoyed by the noise
14:45:33LinusNxbox can do hdmi
14:45:56linuxstbBut at what resolution, and is it fast enough to decode HDTV content?
14:46:10linuxstbOr do you mean xbox360?
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14:48:54LinusNdecoding of 1080i seems a bit too much for the cpu, but 720p is possible, from what i've heard
14:49:05LinusNand it's the regular xbox
14:50:11LinusNi guess you would want a more powerful box to make full use of your hdtv
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16:05:46Blackfroschis there anything to test with an iriver h10 6gb?
16:06:18Blackfroschdoes anybody need informations battery bench
16:06:33Blackfroschor things like this
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16:06:53n1syou should ask barrywardell whenever he's here
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16:15:35n1s(very off topic) can anyone reach gmail?
16:16:50lowlightworks here
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16:18:55lowlightsometimes I have to use the gmail's html view...
16:20:44godzirraxadow: why is the zune owned this time?
16:21:18n1saha, turning off certificate verification fixed it... now I feel much more secure :-)
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16:35:26thinmanquick lame question..installed successfully, should i create a /music to copy filez too? or just into / or does it matter?
16:35:47n1sdoesn't matter
16:37:15linuxstbHaving a /Music folder makes things cleaner if you have other files stored on your disk (e.g. game roms, photos, other datafiles), or if you have audiobooks you want to keep separate. It's also easier to create a playlist with all your music in.
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16:38:48thinmankk, thx
16:41:33zylcheI agree with linuxstb.
16:42:29thinmanoh, and cudos all da contributerz!
16:44:15thinmanI'm in ur ipodz steeleeng ur codex
16:47:52zylcheKudos to all developers and contributers!
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17:25:57GnelikIs thre any html vieving plugin for RB?
17:36:12lowlighthow about a firebox port ;)
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18:19:16webguest79hi, I'm trying to run , but I keep getting the error "bzip2: Compressed file end unexpectedly"
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18:23:47lowlightwebguest79: sounds like an incomplete download of one of the source files
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18:24:07webguest79i was using cvs
18:24:18mllHello there, n00b looking for a piece of help
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18:26:21webguest79i tried downloading it again, but that didn't help
18:26:23lowlightwebguest79: afaik, downloads the gcc sources (and other deps)
18:26:49lowlightand builds the cross compilers
18:27:30webguest79it says that binutils and gcc are already downloaded
18:27:43mllIf someone can help: When the battery on my H320 depletes, and when I reboot, I get the orginal firmare booted. :?
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18:29:53webguest79mll: if you plug in the H320 whiles its off, it usually boots the orig firmware - you have to turn it on before plugging it in
18:30:17lowlightwebguest79: as I said, sounds like an incomplete or corrupt download. Maybe delete and try again.
18:30:55mllThanks webguest79. Is that a feature or a bug?
18:31:22webguest79lowlight:i've tired updating the files with cvs, but i'll have a go deleting them first
18:31:46Kasperlehmmmm. my iPod just made a really odd noise when i moved it around in my hand (a bit too fast?)
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18:32:39webguest79mll: I'm not sure, that's just what works for me
18:32:43mllAlso, question 2: is it possible to choose to boot the original frimware from time to time?
18:33:13lowlightwebguest79: but will download the files for you using wget (no cvs)
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18:35:36webguest79mll: press the record button and the play button together
18:36:16mllwhile booting?
18:36:31*mll is trying
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18:39:01mllWOrks. Thanks! I searched the docs / forums for this info, found it nowhere. :(
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18:41:09SAJBERhi people
18:41:38SAJBERcan anyone give me an update on the wma codec for rockbox?
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18:42:56LearFrom section 2.2.2: "To load the Iriver firmware press and hold Rec before powering up the player until the Iriver logo appears." :)
18:44:28mllThanks Lear. Misset this one.
18:45:32LearMentioning it in chapter 3 could be useful too, I think...
18:46:53mllOr #9
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18:59:34Gnelikbarrywardell,dan_a: Hi!
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19:03:26Gnelikbarrywardell: sUBMIT KEYMAP TO cvs PLEASE.
19:03:56GnelikCaps :(
19:03:58barrywardellhave i not done so already? i thought I had
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19:04:20GnelikI think no
19:04:43barrywardellhmm, i was sure i had
19:04:46barrywardellsorry about that
19:05:00PaulPositionHave you guys found big difference between the "optimized-for-flash" PP chip of the sansa and the rest of the PP bunch, or does it look mostly the same? I doubt you're at a point where improvements could cascade into other targets, but I'm curious anyway.. :p
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19:06:10Gnelikbarrywardell it's ok
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19:07:33dan_aPaulPosition: There aren't any improvements yet - we're just stealing everything we can from the other targets at the moment ;) There are a couple of things which seem like bugs in the Sansa, but fixing them might be good for the other targets.
19:07:35barrywardellGnelik: i thought i had submitted it already. i must be losing my memory!
19:08:20zylchebarrywardell, have you submitted the keymap to cvs yet?
19:08:26barrywardelli'm just trying to find it
19:09:05PaulPositiondan - Cool, that's about what I expected. The e200 seems like a nice target that may get quite a large user base some day. :)
19:09:11barrywardellI was really sure I had submitted it ages ago. maybe the commit failed and I didn't notice
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19:12:29l3n34did anyone install rockbox on their ipod?
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19:14:16Ribsl3n34, many people have...
19:14:42l3n34i've got an ipod video 30giga
19:14:55l3n34did anyone install rockbox on SUCH an iPod?
19:16:29PaulPositionI'm sure some people did.. For all I know, there's been problems with 2nd gen nano and the newer 5.5gen 80mb ipods...
19:17:06PaulPosition80mb.. lol duh
19:17:33l3n34hopefully they'll do something about the 5.5g because i'm a linux addict and i couldn't live without it on my iPod
19:17:45zylcheI have ther 5g, so I'm fine hehehe..
19:18:08l3n34but...i think i have 5g too
19:18:12PaulPositionwithout *it* ? it being rockbox or being iPodLinux?
19:18:14l3n34i have a 30gb one...
19:18:26zylchedoom rocks on it, hoping to figure out how to add special addons for extra ammo, life, etc for just wasting time running around the game
19:18:32l3n34i don't care...both..:P
19:18:43l3n34zylche: you got a 30Gb one?
19:18:44zylcherockbox does /rock/
19:18:46barrywardellGnelik, zylche, dan_a: does this look right ?
19:18:48zylcheipodlinux bricks :P
19:19:05zylchel3n34, 30Gb ipod video 5th generation
19:19:07zylchenot 5.5
19:19:26l3n34zylche:cool...and you've got rockbox or ipodlinux on yours?
19:19:56zylcheinstalled it 16 hours ago
19:20:11l3n34zylche:could you please explain me how you installed it?i would like to install it too
19:20:12PaulPosition(I guess the fact he hangs around here is a good clue as to what he runs on his pod.. ;) )
19:20:14zylchelinux installation is a piece of cake
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19:20:22lowlightthere should be some patches soon from Slasheri for the 5.5 30GB
19:20:22zylchetrue :P
19:20:51l3n34what is the difference between 30GB 5.5 and 30Gb 5g?
19:21:14l3n34zylche: so..?cold you please write me a tutorial
19:21:17richardtockI have an iriver H140 and that, and i've gone through all the intallation malarky on the manual and that, yet my player still just loads up the original firmware. what's up with that?
19:21:30l3n34zylche: i have tried many tmes to install it and didn't succeed
19:22:01l3n34richardtock: that's exactly what happened with my ipod video
19:22:18lowlight5.5 has a different hd sector size (check today's irc log)
19:22:33l3n34zylche: i do everything,then copy the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod and the ipod still boots the original OS
19:22:36richardtockcan anyone offer any help? any ideas?
19:22:50dan_abarrywardell: Looks OK in theory
19:23:08barrywardelli did a good bit of testing in the sim
19:23:42barrywardelland it feels fairly good. hard to say until it's used on the target though
19:23:51zylchecopy the rockbox.ipod and rename it to Rockbox.ipod
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19:24:05zylcheI did that out of thinking there was a case-sensitivity issue, and it works somehow.
19:24:08PaulPositionrichardtock - I'm not familiar with the install procedure on the H1x0... :(
19:24:21zylchemake sure you have rockbox.ipod and Rockbox.ipod on the base of the ipod
19:24:32dan_abarrywardell: Are you able to exit out of the OS debug screen?
19:24:46PaulPositionrichardtock - If you're not lucky enough to get information from people present right now, maybe try the forums at
19:25:01zylchel3n34, wait, does it load the rockbox software first ebfore a -1 error?
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19:25:18l3n34zylche: if it works,you're a life saver. i'l repay you somehow(no money or blowjobs please)
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19:25:52zylcheerm.. this is opensource, just help anyone that needs it..
19:25:53l3n34zylche: it doesn't do anything. it's like i didn't do anything to him. it just boots the original firmware
19:26:35richardtockhey, does anyone know if i can put us firmware on a EU iriver H140?
19:26:39l3n34but i'll try renaming anyhow...and if you have other tipps, zylche, please name them
19:26:58barrywardelldan_a: that's not on the sim (or at least not in the version of cvs i'm using). there are still some problems with the debug screen now that you mention it though
19:27:15zylcheare you on linux or windows?
19:27:55richardtockOh, man, I got it working!
19:27:56l3n34but i have windows too if that helps
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19:28:23zylcheI mean, you have linux
19:28:41l3n34i'll just do as it sais in the tutorial and then rebame?
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19:28:49richardtockfor people who have irivers: you might want to put this in the documentation. the firmware patch does not work with the EU iriver firmware. You have to download the US one!
19:28:51zylcheI'll walk you through it
19:28:55l3n34but how do you do pm?
19:29:00zylcheI'll do it for ya
19:29:39l3n34zylche...i can't pm because i'm not registred
19:29:42dan_abarrywardell: I've got a version of crt0 which might help with dual booting on the H10, if you're interested
19:29:46l3n34do you have a messenger?
19:29:51zylchenope :E
19:29:57zylche/nickserv register password
19:30:36barrywardellyes, please
19:30:56barrywardelli tried the version MrH said looked ok
19:31:13barrywardellbut got weird behaviour
19:33:29dan_aOh, that's the same one - only with an adjustment so that no code is at 0xe0
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19:35:38barrywardelli tried that. i added .space at 0xe0 but then my bootloader would crash for some reason
19:36:01barrywardellcan i see your version with the adjustment please? in case i did something wrong
19:36:05dan_aAnd, of course, a branch over the space?
19:36:30PaulPositionbarry - if you ever work something out of that, I'm willing to test until I turn blue in the face (hopefully it's my h10 that'd turn blue.. iRiver-blue.)
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19:37:19barrywardellyes, a branch too
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19:38:05barrywardelldan_a: i also tried your idea of just disabling the cache and it didn't seem to change anything with the freeze on startup
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19:38:47dan_aThe "nops" that I had in also seemed to be required
19:38:49webguest97question: I'm trying to get the jblackglass theme on the wiki themes page on my ipod, but it requires me to use the build that the guy made, which is very old. I'm trying to patch the source using the patches he provided and most of them work but the "bmp-resize" and "album art" patches won't apply cleanly. Is anything known about this or are newer versions available?
19:39:38barrywardellah, ok. i didn't put any nops in there
19:39:48PaulPositionThey won't apply cleanly. However, some people (I, Maxwen) had some luck using same patches, but using bmp.c ver. 1.35 (that's from 11th of november)..
19:39:53habanahi all
19:40:37PaulPositionwebguest - I *think* the only things that changed in bmp.c was dithering for black/white targets so it shouldn't break anything. But it might not be "rock"-solid.. :p
19:40:55webguest97Alright, I'll give that a try
19:40:57webguest97thanks :)
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19:41:23habanaWould the sansa keymap had been modified recently ?
19:41:36PaulPositionhabana - few minutes ago by Barry I think :p
19:41:53barrywardellnot yet
19:42:08barrywardelli have a modified version which i will commit
19:42:43netmasta10btanyone know if anyone is working on id3v2 APIC support for RB?
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19:43:36PaulPositionnetmasta - I think APIC support ain't getting worked on. That's the big effin' frame where you can store a jpeg, png, etc..?
19:43:54LAUBihi, how can i watch xvid avi vids. with my ipod video and rockbox?
19:43:55netmasta10btPaulPosition: yes
19:44:58dan_aLAUBi: You need to convert them, but there will be no sound as yet. See
19:45:32PaulPositionnetmasta - most conversation I read on the subject where either "anti" (no way, it wastes space, it's un-rockbox) or "pessimistic" (can't. Too processor intensive. We don't even have jpeg album art yet.)...
19:45:39PaulPositionMaybe have a look at flyspray...
19:45:45LAUBithats freaking shit :/
19:46:02PaulPositionLAUBI - So then, that's why you can DUALBOOT your RB. :D
19:46:08netmasta10btPaulPosition - ok thanx for the info
19:46:10PaulPositionyour iPod that is.
19:46:27LAUBiwhat do you mean?
19:46:53PaulPositionRockbox allows you, at the push of a few buttons, to boot into the original Apple firmware.
19:47:19LAUBiyeah i know... am i able to play xvid vids. with the original firmware?
19:47:35LAUBiits not my ipod, so im asking nooby questions ;)
19:47:58PaulPositionLAUBi - Can't say for sure.. I thought iTunes was converting for you when syncing but then again, I use neither iPod nor iTunes.. :o
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19:48:01LAUBialready tried to tansfer xvid avi movies with itunes, did not work
19:48:10LAUBidamn ^^
19:48:54PaulPositionLAUBi - With screens getting bigger all the time, it's only a question of time for people to create great solutions to the video problem.
19:50:07zylcheit's sound that's the current problem
19:50:51PaulPositionWell, yeah, I used video as the broad concept, not just the cinetic display of images.. :p
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19:55:11webguest97LAUBi: you need to convert your movie to the ipod format with videora ipod converter
19:55:19webguest97no other way to play them using the default firmware
19:57:50zylcheyep :/
19:58:24SAJBERcan anyone give me an update on the wma codec for rockbox?
19:59:14peturthe person who worked on it had his house burn down, I'm sure he has other priorities
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20:06:01barrywardelldan_a: that works great:) i don't know why it didn't work for me before!
20:06:11barrywardellexcept it doesn't boot rockbox any more
20:06:37dan_abarrywardell: The one on Pastebin?
20:07:01barrywardelli'll have a look to see what's different from my version
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20:09:51dan_aI can't think why it shouldn't boot Rockbox
20:10:21barrywardell that's the only real difference between to version that didn't work for me before
20:10:28dan_a(unless you compiled a normal build using that crt0 - that would do it)
20:10:42barrywardellthe new version does boot rockbox, but i guess it crashes on startup
20:11:06barrywardellit shows the logo, then i can hear the disk spin down as if ata power is turned off
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20:12:50dan_aIf we can get this working for dual boot on the H10 and the Sansa, it would probably be a wise idea to use this as the basis for all the PortalPlayer builds - both bootloader and normal.
20:12:51barrywardellit's actually a similar symptom to when i was testing your cop patch
20:13:24barrywardelldan_a: agreed. it would be good to test on an ipod too
20:14:18webguest97PaulPosition: I tried applying the patch with the version you mentioned (1.35, 11th nov), but it still won't apply cleanly. Is there anything else that I can try?
20:16:24barrywardelldan_a: i bet my problem is with my rockbox build using the old crt0
20:16:47dan_aErm, is anyone an mIRC expert? I've made it start the sentence I'm typing at the right of the screen and put any punctuation at the left. It's disconcerting
20:17:03dan_abarrywardell: The old crt0 should work fine
20:17:51barrywardellit does with a bootloader using the old crt0, but not with the new one
20:18:02dan_aI've not written the new version to do mmapping yet (mainly 'cos I'm still trying to understand it properly))
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20:20:04barrywardellhere's my final version of the new button mapping:
20:20:42barrywardelldoes it look ok? i can only really test in the sim and see how button combos feel on the device
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20:22:42dan_aI think it looks OK. We can always change things if something doesn't feel right.
20:23:08barrywardellOK, I'll commit it now.
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20:34:01barrywardelldan_a: have you got a bootloader for the Sansa which loads both Rockbox and the OF?
20:35:53dan_abarrywardell: Yes, that version of crt0, and I think your version of h10.c (changed slightly.)
20:36:18barrywardelldoes it load a rockbox.e200 too?
20:36:42dan_aAlthough I can't make Rockbox boot right now. I think that's a change I've made to Rockbox, not the bootloader, though. It does load rockbox.e200 (and Rolo works too)
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20:39:14barrywardellok, thanks
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20:42:04dan_abarrywardell: e200.c is at There's a couple of changes to tools/scramble.c and tools/configure that need to be made too, but I think you can work those out.
20:42:27barrywardellthanks. yes, i should be able to figure the others out
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20:43:55dan_aI'll commit the bootloader work when I've figured out why the Rockbox checksum is always off by 4
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20:44:33zylchedan_a, is it using rad or cos?
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20:45:47barrywardelldan_a: i'll let you know if i spot anything
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20:46:40dan_azylche: No, it's a sum based on the model and the data in the file, IIRC.
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20:50:15ani-adomcan someoe tell me who do i apply a patch?
20:51:20mick_homeman patch
20:52:01ani-adomai allredy read this one.
20:52:13ani-adomsnd still i dont get it
20:52:18rasherWell, then you need to be more specific
20:52:31ani-adomok. sec.
20:52:37rasherAre you able to build Rockbox on your own?
20:53:08ani-adomi just d/l wps.
20:53:16rasherWell, that's first step. A patch applies to the sourcecode of Rockbox
20:53:57rasherAre you on Windows?
20:54:13rasherAight, hang on
20:55:14rasher follow this
20:55:44rasherThat will install the tools necessary to build (and potentially customize) Rockbox
20:57:49Slasherioh crap these proprietary cables. i forgot my ipod usb cable in the work place, so can't do any development at weekend.. argh
20:58:00ani-adomill check it
20:58:10rasherPatch in the Opensource world means something entirely different than in proprietary software
20:58:11barrywardelldan_a: did you change MODEL_NUMBER in config-e200.h to 16? At a guess that could be your problem
20:58:51dan_abarrywardell: I did
20:59:33barrywardelland you used the same value in scramble.c?
20:59:52barrywardellie. 16?
21:00:07dan_aI did. Is that going to cause a problem?
21:00:56barrywardellno, it's just that MODEL_NUMBER was 12 originally and 16-12=4. seems like an odd coincidence
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21:05:01mick_home <−− this the default install?
21:05:37thegeek_those screenshots are pretty old
21:05:48pixelmamick_home: yes - but not for ipods ;)
21:05:48thegeek_they are from an old player
21:06:07thegeek_should really have some new fancy screenshots there;P
21:06:13mick_homepixelma: so it doesn't look "ewww" for the ipod ;)
21:06:23mick_homethegeek_: i agree :D
21:06:45mick_homeya, i've been looking at them for the naao
21:07:07mick_homeone problem is that the one that i like refers to something that doesn't exist
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21:08:27rashermick_home: There's a wiki page named ScreenShots which is more up to date
21:08:40mick_homethanks :)
21:08:47pixelmamick_home: the page you linked to was outdated too:
21:09:15mick_homemight want to update the site to have the snaziest looking screenshots ;)
21:09:28rashermick_home: Where did you find a link to /screenshots/ ?
21:09:31mick_homei think the default should be a "oh damn that is cool" ;)
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21:09:36mick_homerasher: google
21:09:40rasherAh.. damn
21:10:12rasherAnother reason for a website cleanup
21:10:16pixelmathat wasn't even a twiki link...
21:10:35dan_abarrywardell: I was wrong. I forgot to change MODEL_NUMBER in config-e200.h - that's still 12. I'm going to get some dinner, then a dual-boot bootloader is coming up.
21:10:36rasherSuch as say,
21:11:47mick_homei want a 5gig just so i can put one of these on there: damn those look cool :)
21:12:20rasherMaybe the ScreenShots page should show off one of the cooler non-default WPS as well
21:12:35rasherBoxes is great, but not exactly fancy looking
21:12:38barrywardelldan_a: great. i'll look forward to it
21:12:53mick_home"no roadmap" −− ahem...
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21:13:18rashermick_home: Well, look at the dates on that page and you'll understand
21:13:22mick_homerasher: IMO the default should be a "killer" one ;)
21:13:32mick_homeoh :-/
21:13:37mick_homeok i get it now
21:13:53pixelmarasher: maybe iCatcher could be a good choice for that - at least it exists on all targets
21:13:57mick_homei'll just need to live w/ "organized chaos" then ;)
21:14:42mick_homepixelma: yes, it should be 1) universal and 2) snazy and 3) very usable/accessable
21:15:00mick_homeso for #1 should run on all targets
21:15:11mick_home#2 well, this one is obvious :D
21:15:24pixelma#3 - it's in cvs ;)
21:15:46mick_home#3 people shouldn't be like "ok, how the hell does this look" and blink / color impared people should beable to use it just fine
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21:16:28mick_homepixelma: i was refering to Usability and Accessability - not "where do i find it" ;)
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21:17:46mick_homesince there is a rather large group of admins (and no benevolent dictator) - i take it that i should email the devel list :)
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21:20:33rasherpixelma: icatcher looks horrible on h12
21:20:35rasherpixelma: icatcher looks horrible on h120
21:21:18mick_homeok, so it needs to be fixed :)
21:21:40pixelmarasher: do you mean the current problems that occured with the greyscale dithering?
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21:21:58pixelmaor any other objections
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21:22:17rasherpixelma: I mean it looks very strange becaue the bitmaps aren't adjusted to being 4-colour
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21:23:16mick_homei can't find it on the wiki (what does icatcher look like)
21:23:17pixelmayeah... but they showed up with the changes I meant - the author wanted to redraw them
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21:26:20pixelmamick_home: basically like this maybe there were some minor changes since then
21:26:50rasherpixelma: I haven't used it for a while, so it might be different now
21:27:58pixelmarasher: not that I know off
21:28:19rasherpixelma: Plus, a snazzy bmp wps will increase boot time
21:28:29rasherunfortunately significantly
21:28:31pixelmathat's true
21:29:07pixelmaI thought it was only supposed to show off in the screenshots sites
21:29:07ani-adomrasher: do you know hipod wps?
21:29:17rasherani-adom: No.
21:29:22rasherShould I?
21:29:29ani-adomi wonder.
21:29:44rasherpixelma: Oh dear, it's way worse now than when I last used it.
21:29:49ani-adomthe "next sont" dosent work for me.
21:30:46rasherpixelma: But I guess for the same reason - that the bitmaps weren't tuned for 2-bit colour
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21:32:38pixelmarasher: yes it is because the bitmaps which are used are the colour ones (he wanted to reduce the number of bitmaps in cvs)
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21:37:00unleetHey Guys.
21:37:03rasherpixelma: Not a great choice for us h1xx owners :|
21:37:56mick_homerasher: ok, fine - but i think you can agree that we need a "universal theme" - that doesn't suck ;)
21:38:53unleetPaul, I have news.
21:38:56rashermick_home: Sure, and iCatcher is a very good candidate, but there are a few problems: 1) Boot time (this is a biggie) 2) The h1xx problems 3) Maybe others
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21:40:02unleetPaul are you there?
21:40:14mick_homethey should be examined and worked on then, any other candidates?
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21:41:40unleetAnybody have a clue where Paul is?
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21:42:16pixelmamick_home: the boot time problem applies to all bitmap wps
21:42:44mick_homeok, how long does it take to boot?
21:43:26unleetI finally got my H10 to recognize the rockbox mi4 but for some reason when it boots up the screen turns part yellow and all fuzzy and messed up.
21:43:35unleetIt's working but the screen is all F'ed.
21:43:58PaulPositionunleet - Sorry, was away..
21:44:07unleetThats ok.
21:44:11rashermick_home: A wps with a bunch of bmps pretty much doubles boot time
21:44:15unleetRead above Mesages
21:44:34PaulPositionunleet- Which bootloader though? MTP from archive or that customized one I linked to?
21:44:42mick_homerasher: and that is pprox?
21:44:47unleetBoth do the same thing.
21:44:59rashermick_home: From 5 to 10 seconds possibly, I don't really know
21:45:11mick_homeok, that is not that bad
21:45:20mick_home10+ seconds would be a real issue
21:45:33PaulPositionunleet- Woah, that's weird. Never saw that happen. But first things first : how did you get it to work? Did anything differently than first few times around?
21:45:58pixelmathat depends on how many bitmaps are used, on your harddrive (I guess you won't notice it much on Nano) and also on how scattered those many bitmaps are on your drive
21:46:00rasherWell, it is when many developers and long-time users from Archos are used to 2-3 seconds
21:46:58unleetNo, Evidently my mi4 in the System directory is named differently
21:47:14unleetSo I had to rename the others and somehow it worked.
21:47:39unleetI took video of what happens when my player starts up but im on a different computer and did not bring my flash drive.
21:48:17PaulPositionunleet - okay.. Right now, if you go back to original firmware it still working good and only rockbox screws with image?
21:48:39PaulPositionunleet - good. At least nothing is broken.
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21:48:59unleetActually, when rockbox is starting up, it shows the iriver loading or w/e and then when thats done it tries to load rockbox and the screen goes all messed up.
21:49:41PaulPositionunleet - Hmm, this is weird. No error message or nothing? Does it seem to respond to button input or something or do you think it freezes at that point?
21:50:13unleetIt responds and goes through the menu, I just cannot tell what anything says
21:50:33unleetThe first menu evidently has 2 choices and only the first one does something
21:50:36low_lightunleet: hang around, maybe barrywardell (h10 dev) will be back
21:50:42rasherpixelma: To be honest, the "123" graphics in that screenshot of icatcher looks broken on all screens
21:50:50unleetIf I hold the off button, a message comes up and it turns off.
21:50:51low_lighthe was here 30 minutes ago
21:50:55PaulPositionIndeed, Barry's the H10 guru and he worked a lot on bootloader..
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21:51:27unleetIf Barry were here about this time it would be helpful.
21:51:40pixelmarasher: not on Archos though ;)
21:51:58PaulPositionunleet - He left about 30min ago.. :(
21:52:12PaulPositionmight be back, I dunno for sure.
21:52:14rasherpixelma: Nope, except the 1 is lacking the top line
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21:52:49unleetWell the roads here are clsoing at 5 and its 2:30 or something now, so I can only stay till like 4 or something.
21:53:02mick_homelike i was saying before - is there another good candidate for this besides icatcher?
21:53:06webguest78Aha! Any Rockbox developers around here?
21:53:08unleetI'm not at my house as we speak.
21:53:37Kasperleall the files appear 4x in the file browser. is that a known problem?
21:53:37unleetwebguest78, this is a chatroom for rockbox, of course there are.
21:53:44rashermick_home: I don't think so, most themes are only made for one, or a few ports
21:53:44mick_homewebguest78: no :-P (they just haunt you in your sleep)
21:53:54mick_homeok, good
21:53:58PaulPositionunleet - Okay.. Just to sum it all up..:
21:54:00mick_hometht narrows down the choices ;)
21:54:30webguest78oh, that's a shame, I was just about to burst out into praise, applause, etc
21:54:48PaulPositionunleet - Yesterday, we had trouble getting the bootloader (h10.mi4 in /system) to work. Now, it seems, it does process through and go into Rockbox firmware, which is one step.
21:54:49webguest78having just discovered and tried rockbox, i have to say it really, um, rocks
21:54:56mick_homewebguest78: check the cloaks of say... rasher :)
21:55:12ani-adomrasher: i install Cygwin.,
21:55:17ani-adomwhat now?
21:55:28unleetYes, it processes it. Now We just have to fix the screen problem.
21:56:00unleetIndeed there is a menu that I can use, the screen may be f'ed u, but I can still see it navigating the main menu.
21:56:04rasherani-adom: Now you follow the steps on another page.. let me find it
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21:56:16PaulPositionunleet - So we need to find out, now, why it's not working right. It shouldn't have much to do anymore with the h10.mi4 but maybe with the rockbox.h10 or the stuff that went into the .rockbox folder.
21:56:42rasherani-adom: These can all be found on the DocsIndex wiki page under "For Developers", but if you don't know what you're looking for, it's a bit tough
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21:57:14PaulPositionunleet - First menu should be the music folder.. If you press right, right, right a few time, do you get to hear any music?
21:57:20rasherani-adom: Run the "cygwin bash shell" and follow this
21:57:48webguest78Hey, that's funny, I was about to ask the same thing I'm guessing ani-adom asked
21:58:06rasherwebguest78: How to compile Rockbox?
21:58:29unleetNo, there are 2 choices on the main menu. The second one does nothing, and the first obviously goes to another menu. If you could get me some pictures for the other menu's im scrolling into, I might be able to find music.
21:58:37KasperleSlasheri: you there?
21:58:52PaulPositionunleet- Try something. I doubt it will help anything but it sure can't hurt.. When booting, put it on hold for a few seconds to clear settings.
21:58:58heyJuliussorry to barge in here, but is the time (am pm) or 24 hour clock, theme dependant, when i try to set the mode it doesnt work.
21:59:20webguest78Wow, that's one svelte community. You even have VMware images for compiling! Kudos, guys
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21:59:46unleetI have tried that already.
21:59:52rasheroh right, the vmware images... I completely forgot..
22:00:45PaulPositionunleet - hmmm... Ok, then. If the 'music' folder is still hidden (it is by default, the original firmware hides it) I'm not sure rockbox sees it, so perhaps the first option *isn't* music after all.
22:00:47unleetPerhaps some pictures as I have suggested will let me know if it indeed does play music.
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22:01:21unleetWell in ums mode, i see nothing but the /.rockbox folder and a text folder
22:01:32unleetin mtp mode i see media and buch of other stuff.
22:01:44unleetmedia is where my music is located
22:01:55PaulPositionunleet - right, so these folders are hidden and your windows is set to Not Show hidden files and folders..
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22:02:22unleetIt is a newly installed copy of Media Center Edition 2005.
22:02:35unleetNothing has really been done to it.
22:02:35PaulPositionhmm. I don't see how that would effect rendering anyway, so there's someting else that went screwey at one point or another..
22:02:43rasherThere are too many jbas in here..
22:03:05SlasheriKasperle: yes
22:03:23KasperleSlasheri: i'm trying your 5.5g patch just now
22:03:36PaulPositionunleet - You're not home, so I gather you don't have the fancy cables and everything with you right now, right?
22:04:05unleetNo, I decided to use the library computers today.
22:04:05SlasheriKasperle: then you also need to patch the ipod_fw to compile the bootloader (my patch doesn't yet do it)
22:04:26KasperleSlasheri: yeah, did that
22:04:34Slasheriok, then it should work :)
22:04:35webguest78Does anyone know, is the lack of a recording option on the 4G iPod caused by technical limitations or people-time-commitment limitations?
22:04:44ani-adomrasher: i need color bitmap and color changer...
22:04:47mick_homerasher: so what is the best way for me to contribute to rockbox?
22:04:58KasperleSlasheri: seems to work so far.
22:04:59SlasheriKasperle: and if you can, please try also on non-5.5g unit
22:05:05rasherani-adom: You mean patches?
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22:05:23KasperleSlasheri: can't, i only have the 5.5g :( ...
22:05:34rashermick_home: I don't quite understand that question..
22:05:35Slasheriah, lets hope someone else does that :)
22:05:38PaulPositionunleet - Hmmkay. How did you put the .mi4 file in the system folder if you can't see it in UMS mode?
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22:05:50dan_awebguest78: Both. There is a patch in Flyspray, but I think it's become out of date.
22:05:50Slasheriafter that i could commit it
22:05:55Kasperleand i don't really know rockbox well, so it sucks that i can't really compare whether some behaviour is still "normal" or not
22:06:13mick_homei'm good w/ usability, accessability, i'm a coder (i code on too much atm - but i could take on something in the bts), i could get started on writing diffs for the docs.....
22:06:15KasperleSlasheri: i'm using the TagCache and in the Browser I see every file 4x. any chance you've come across that?
22:06:20rasherani-adom: Well, download the patches here, and follow this page
22:06:32unleetNavigating to the G:\System folder
22:06:37unleettype it into the address bar.
22:06:42SlasheriKasperle: hmm, that is wierd. Are you sure there are not 4 copies of each file?
22:06:49KasperleSlasheri: yes
22:06:51Slasheridid you try initializing tagcache again?
22:06:57Kasperleyeah, tried that twice
22:07:06Slasheriand try also generate a playlist containing the dupes, and saving that on disk
22:07:09Kasperleis it normal that i have to reboot after initializing the database?
22:07:10mick_homerasher: i mean, since there isn't really a "todo list" it is difficult to see what would be the most useful
22:07:16webguest78dan_a, thanks. Will it help people if I update the patch?
22:07:17Slasherithen you can compare if all entries point to the same file
22:07:22tucozRegarding icatcher. I think the ´paused´text should not cover the volume display. A better choice would be the battery level.
22:07:26PaulPositionunleet - Right, that's a workaround I didn't think of.
22:07:53mick_homerasher: IMO having a kick ass UI (that is common among all supported targets) is on the top of the list
22:08:07unleetUnder Windows Xp, how do I unhide hidden folders?
22:08:09rashermick_home: Development is mostly done on a "whatever you feel like" basis, so it's hard to say
22:08:13ani-adomrasher: d/l this WPS Extensions & Fixes.?
22:08:32dan_awebguest78: Almost certainly. I'm not sure what the hold-up on getting it committed was - maybe linuxstb can tell you more if he's around
22:08:39mick_homerasher: and an *easy* interface to an installer would be up there too
22:08:43KasperleSlasheri: it's the same for every album (tried at least 10), the files are on disk in the apple iPod format
22:08:53Kasperlei.e. that odd folder structure
22:08:54mick_homewith a selectable interface for WPSes
22:09:00unleet On the Tools menu in Windows Explorer, click Folder Options.
22:09:01PaulPositionunleet - You'd just go into Explorer (file explorer, y'know) and at the top there's tools->Folder Options .. You'll find the show/unshow hidden files there.
22:09:07Kasperlewith the original firmware, i only see one instance of each file
22:09:12mick_home"How would you like to pimp out your ipod today?"
22:09:14unleet Under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders.
22:09:26unleetOk I found it.
22:09:31unleetThis shall be useful.
22:09:49rashermick_home: There's a diagram and requirements of a (my) dream installer on DesktopTools - if you code that, you will be rewarded much love
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22:10:26mick_homemy problem is taht i only have one device to write it for :-( (i can't test on anything else)
22:10:38rashermick_home: That's where the Uisimulator enters!
22:10:47webguest78dan_a: probably because 'Playback is broken after recording' (FS #6096) :)
22:10:47tucozmick_home: But if you start on something, and it looks good, people will follow
22:10:58dan_aAh, that might do it!
22:11:05PaulPositionunleet- Dude, I ran short of ideas and I gotta leave real soon (and shower first)...
22:11:21SlasheriKasperle: but still please try that playlist thing also
22:11:31rashermick_home: It simulates (not emulates, that is) Rockbox on you computer
22:11:32mick_homerasher: are there already people working on something similar, have they gotten far, and where is the list :-P
22:11:33unleetThats fine.
22:11:39Slasherithen you can be sure if it's a bug in the code
22:11:41PaulPositionunleet - If you're not lucky enough to meet Barry before you have to leave too, you can try posting at forums where a lot of the iRiver rockboxers meet..
22:12:05unleetOhh thats right. Totally forgot about the forums.
22:12:14rashermick_home: There is a preliminary tool to install Rockbox, written in C+wxwidgets, but the developer went AWOL, and I don't think she released source
22:12:16tucozrasher: didn´t christi create a wxwindows install tool some time ago?
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22:12:34ani-adomrasher: i just cant get it:\
22:12:35rashertucoz: Yeah, it's a good start, but no source..
22:12:36mick_homerasher: do you have an email address?
22:12:42tucozAh. right.
22:13:00ani-adomit bean a week im trying...
22:13:05PaulPositionani-adom - Is there any patches which you really need?
22:13:18mick_homerasher: if i can deal w/ other projects, i think i can deal w/ this one person :)
22:13:18rashermick_home: Should be available..
22:13:36ani-adomcolor bitmap
22:13:36ani-adomand color changer
22:15:00ani-adomPaulPosition: hmmmmmm
22:15:32PaulPositionani-adom - And none of the custom build offer them? (either on the forums here, or in some platform-specific forums?) I mean, people have album-art builds for about every platform but the 2bits-graphic ones...
22:16:00KasperleSlasheri: every file is only once in the playlist
22:16:17ani-adomdont know.
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22:16:31ani-adomi just want to use hipod patch
22:16:31KasperleSlasheri: or wait!
22:16:36rashermick_home: You can download it (only for windows) on the forum..
22:16:49ani-adomant i neeed this patch.
22:16:53mick_homei'll justemail her
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22:17:09KasperleSlasheri: the playlist contains every file 4x with a different path!?
22:17:23mick_homerasher: if she isn't rational thn i'll do my own thing
22:17:24rashermick_home: Yeah, it was just if you wanted to see what was done already
22:17:28PaulPositionaniadom - what player you have ?
22:17:32mick_homegod what have i gotten myself into...
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22:17:54KasperleSlasheri: /Playlists/iPod_Control/Music/FXX/XXXX.mp3, /Playlists/Playlists/iPod_Control/Music/FXX/XXXX.mp3, and up to 4x /Playlists/ as a prefix
22:18:00rashermick_home: She is, I don't think you'll have any troubles if you can reach her and she still has the source
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22:18:27Kasperlelooks like the filesystem is a bit broken ;)
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22:20:38PaulPositionani-adom - Really, if you have an iRiver H3x0, I'd suggest posting a request for help in the rockbox section of the forums. There's at least a few builds already compiled with lots of patch, I can't believe none of them would fit the task...
22:21:20PaulPositionani-adom - And while waiting for an answer on a forum may seem like Loooong, it's actually often quite faster than trying to understand how to compile, what to compile, why the patch won't sync, how to sync, etc...
22:22:28unleetPaul I have an idea.
22:22:43unleetDo you suppose the wps or anything needs to be changed?
22:22:59unleetMaybe the bitmap is messed up and needs a different one?
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22:23:09PaulPositionunleet - the basic WPS with rockbox is only text, it shouldn't have to be changed.
22:23:37unleetIt was an idea.
22:23:57unleetThen perhaps my H10 doesnt like the main screen and I need a different one?
22:25:05PaulPositionunleet - What *I* would try, is erasing both the rockbox.h10 file in root, AND the .rockbox folder, redownload a build (custom or not) and copy it back. BUT I'd try it with both the usb AND a/c cables plugged in, to be absolutely certain the device gets enough energy to copy files without risking any sort of 'file corruption'.
22:25:31PaulPositionIt might not work at all, but it'd be another 'check' on the checklist.. :(
22:25:42mick_homerasher: emailed
22:25:53mick_homelets see what kind or response i get
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22:26:09mick_homei hope it isn't like the one that i got from the clamXav guy
22:26:38tucozmick_home: christi is a nice gal
22:26:47tucozand a rockbox oldie
22:26:50mick_homerasher: would it be possible to put it on the rockbox webpage once it is done?
22:26:57rashermick_home: Unlikely, she's an old-time rockbox developer who just disappeared
22:26:59SlasheriKasperle: hehe, so in fact you have the same file 4x on your player =)
22:27:04PaulPositionBarrywardell - Any idea why a poor gent's h10 install would show a completely screwed screen on bootup?
22:27:07rashermick_home: Absolutely, we want a good installer
22:27:16barrywardelli'm just reading the logs now...
22:27:22KasperleSlasheri: really odd. I fear the worst
22:27:23unleetYes it shows messed up colors
22:27:24rasherNone of the current unofficial ones really do what we want
22:27:27SlasheriKasperle: if you have used previous patches, you need to format the disk
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22:27:40KasperleSlasheri: sorry?
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22:27:46rasher(and they have all been created independently of Rockbox - no questions or anything)
22:27:59SlasheriKasperle: on 5.5g they contained bug causing filesystem corruption
22:28:05mick_homeand i hate unofficial stuff
22:28:06Slasheribut not sure if that is related to it
22:28:09Kasperlei see :D
22:28:16mick_homei hate forks and the like
22:28:18Slasherimight be, and even the current patch might corrupt the fs
22:28:19Kasperlei tried once or twice
22:28:23PaulPositionunleet - *really gotta leave now*... Try to not pester Barry too much but state your problem. If Anyone can help it's him.
22:28:28PaulPositionGood luck :p
22:28:38mick_homeif so, i'd like something taht is accepted by the rockbox devs and does what is required
22:28:40unleetThank You.
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22:30:13mick_homemy goals (personal ones) are: 1) something that is easy (if my wife + mother can install it - it is perfect), 2) something that also works on Linux (Mac would be cool too) 3) something w/ the option to pull a stable or a nightly & a UI for the HFS+ to Fat32 conversion... oh ya, it has to look cool :D
22:30:44mick_homei take it that the current code is GPL?
22:30:58rashermick_home: All of that should be possible I guess - a lot of the code already exists in the various patching/encrypting utilities
22:31:11rashermick_home: Everything in CVS, and the wiki should be GPL, yes
22:31:19mick_homealso, i'd like something where you just choose a WPS from a dropdown (and i want to call it a "theme" so people don't get lost in jargon)
22:31:31rashermick_home: We have themes
22:31:39rasherThey change, among other things, the WPS :)
22:31:46mick_homeoh god
22:32:10mick_homethe whole WPS thing was confusing to me since i thought it was a theme :-/
22:32:11rashermick_home: It's possible to change just the WPS, and then themes change stuff like font, background etc
22:32:17barrywardellunleet: what model h10 do you have?
22:32:28unleetThe 6gb blue version
22:32:36mick_homerasher: so i probably want to be looking at themes instead of the WPS stuff
22:32:50Arathisunleet: pure or not?
22:32:57rashermick_home: For an installer, yeah
22:33:03unleetnon-pure w/ radio
22:33:19rasherThis will be a lot easier once the config is stored in a file rather than directly on the harddisc
22:33:24barrywardellit sounds like you're using a mi4 file for a 20gb model
22:33:33barrywardellwhere did you get your file from?
22:33:34mick_homerasher: is there a link in the wiki (also i think that needs to be clarified a bit in the wiki)
22:33:46unleetThe downloads page for the 6gb version
22:33:58rashermick_home: about the wps/theme thing? I don't think so
22:34:01unleetand also, paul gave me his mi4 that he uses. still no luck.
22:34:01rasherNot sure
22:34:12rasherTo be honest, I don't know much about wps and themes
22:34:29mick_home <−− only link i see
22:34:33mick_homevia google
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22:34:58ani-adomrasher: thanks for the help:)
22:35:07barrywardellunleet: which one actually boots for you, ie. doesn't give the system files missing error
22:35:31rashermick_home: Ah yes, that's a semi-official theme collection.. You probably want to ask someone else about this..
22:35:48mick_homeok, well i'll add those
22:35:51unleetThe rockbox mi4's give me the messed up screen and the iriver mi4 works fine.
22:36:08mick_homei'll first get something that works on my nano - then i'll move from there
22:36:37mick_homeif someone wants to add stuff, sure (or if someone sends me a player i'll add support)
22:36:54mick_homei'll look at the simulator thingy too
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22:37:13mick_homefor now i care about my nano :-P
22:37:19mick_homei'm a selfish bastard
22:37:32pixelmayour? :P
22:37:38KasperleSlasheri: really odd
22:37:50KasperleSlasheri: windows doesn't see the additional Playlist folders, FreeBSD does see them
22:37:59KasperleSlasheri: and rockbox, too, apparently
22:38:13Kasperlethen again, the apple firmware doesn't seem to
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22:38:50barrywardellunleet: can you be more specific about what happens with the different rockbox mi4 files (there are 3 different types)
22:39:13mick_homei think i'll try this win32 app (so far it works vai wine)
22:39:22mick_homei just don't like how it looks
22:39:44mick_homerasher: you said you have a personal list of what you'd like
22:39:50mick_homerasher: can i see the list?
22:39:57unleetThe ums gives me a system files missing error. The mtp gives me weird colors. The original iriver file boots fine.
22:40:09rashermick_home: I don't think that was me, to be honest
22:40:47mick_homeok, you said you had a list of what you would like to see (maybe your wants are the same as someone else's) - who cares :-P
22:41:13rasherAh, that
22:42:25mick_homeoh god - a list of half assed tools
22:42:27barrywardellunleet: can you send me your iriver file please? that way i will be able to tell exactly which version you need
22:42:34mick_homei'll need to try all out and weed out the crap
22:42:46rashermick_home: Last one is my "list
22:42:46mick_homethen see what can be done
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22:43:31mick_homei hate it when everyone tries to write something and noone works together
22:43:39mick_homethat is the biggest problem in FOSS
22:44:18rasherI don't think anyone but The old InnoSetup installer and the Rockbox Utility has been remotely cooperating
22:44:21unleetMay I have some type of email to contact you. The rpads here are closing at 5 for a christmas parade. I must leave soon.
22:44:33mick_hometake clamwin for example, i had to go out and find people who tried to write onaccess independently (there were like 6 attempts) −− it is much better to work together and get it included in the "official" builds
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22:45:00mick_homeunleet: an email for whom?
22:45:15unleetbarry's email.
22:45:25barrywardellunleet: i've pm'ed it to you
22:45:34mick_homerasher: i'll see if i can contact people and see what is up
22:45:44mick_homesince it seems like all are incomplete
22:45:55mick_homein one shape or form
22:46:03unleetAhh same email provider as I.
22:48:26mick_homehas anyone looked at the DesktopTools and can tell me what to just forget and what may be the best starting place for the "dream tool"?
22:49:34rasherI think the only real contender is Rockbox Utility
22:49:38unleetRockBox Utitlity
22:49:59zylchehail Rockbox.
22:50:00mick_homeok, good
22:50:04zylcheI said..
22:50:09zylcheHAIL ROCKBOX!
22:50:19*zylche looks around and forces people..
22:50:30*unleet Weird
22:50:33mick_homethen i contacted the right person :0
22:51:02mick_homeif i get a "no, the source is mine and you can't have it" reply, then I'm kicking into high gear
22:51:16unleetBarry, I will have my original mi4 sent to you.
22:51:38rashermick_home: I really doubt it, I imagine she just got busy or something like that
22:51:40unleetIm not at home right now but hopefully by tommorrow, you will find it in your email.
22:51:57mick_homei look forward to this then ;)
22:52:02unleetI have sent you my email Barry.
22:52:08mick_homecan i get write permissions on the wiki?
22:52:19mick_homei imagine that i'll be doing some edits
22:52:32rasherEhh.. yes.. I can't remember how that's done..
22:52:39mick_homei don't complain about things taht i don't like, i fix them ;)
22:52:47unleetby logging in as an admin and changing his status
22:53:06mick_homerasher: if you can, create an account for me
22:53:11mick_homei'll /msg my email
22:53:15rasherunleet: no, his WikiName just has to be added to some page..
22:53:19rasherEvery user can do it
22:53:26rasherIf he can remember the name of that page
22:53:50barrywardellunleet: i haven't got any email yet.
22:53:54pixelmarasher: I _believe_ it was the TwikiUserGroup
22:54:02pixelmabut not sure at all
22:54:35unleetUnder pm's I sent my email.
22:54:41unleetI have not sent the file yet.
22:54:44mick_homewill the email addy be public?
22:54:52unleetBe expecting a email from that ccount.
22:55:08barrywardellok, i'll check for it tomorrow.
22:55:15mick_homeif it will be googlable i'll use another account
22:55:16rashermick_home: Not sure..
22:55:23mick_homei'll use my gmx
22:55:36rasherI believe it will be obfuscated by default, and you can change what
22:55:41rasher's displayed
22:56:03pixelmathe "no spam" gets added automatically
22:56:14barrywardellunleed: if you have pictures of what your screen looks like, please send them too
22:56:55unleetI did make a avi(video that I could send. I'll just take a few pictures of everything.
22:57:08barrywardellan avi would be fine
22:57:09rashermick_home: Just say your WikiName here when you're done
22:57:24mick_homemy god twiki sucks
22:57:44mick_homenow i know why i use mediawiki :-P
22:57:59unleetOk well I have one. Ill just need to send it.
22:58:04Kasperlebecause it sucks marginally less
22:58:32rashermick_home: You should have write permissions now
22:58:47mick_homelets see it starts off with - "you must concatinate your first and last name to create a wikiname"
22:59:06Kasperleso apparently itunes restoring the ipod will wipe the firmware partition. and my partition table. BLEH
22:59:06rashermick_home: Well, that's partly a project policy
22:59:07mick_homethat is a usability problem, it should automagically concatinate thenm via javascript
22:59:19rasherI guess
22:59:20mick_homeor create one for you
23:00:01mick_homebesides, the whole ThisIsATopicForAWiki thing is hard to read
23:00:12mick_homeit makes me think of java naming conventions
23:00:20mick_homeand it makes me cringe :-P
23:00:35mick_homei think i'll stop now, but i could go on ;)
23:01:05mick_homerasher: just so you know that i'm not like "this sucks", w/o giving actual reasons.
23:01:38rasherSure, I just happen to think that those are not important enough problems to install the behemoth that is mediawiki
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23:01:50rasherBesides, it was never my choice
23:02:00rasherJust one I happen to agree with
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23:05:19mick_homewhat problems do you see w/mediawiki? (out of curiousity)?
23:05:37mick_homefor one, ThisISAWikiTopic is not readable by screen readers
23:05:47mick_home"this is a topic" is ;)
23:06:16dionoea"This is a topic" (you have to capitalize the first letter :p )
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23:07:11mick_homedionoea: it does it for you (so there is no usability issue)
23:07:19dionoearight :)
23:07:46dionoeai never understood why they had this "first letter must be uppercase" rule
23:09:11hcsThat's The "First Letter Must Be Uppercase" Rule.
23:09:18mick_homei never understood WikiNames :-P
23:09:37rasherThat's because it makes it easy to automatically link them
23:10:17mick_homeIMO the twwwwwwiki author is a twwwwwwwwat for not considering real people w/ the "we don't need no stinkin spaces" rule :-P
23:10:56rasherWell, that's a general wiki thing
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23:11:09rasherOriginally it was
23:11:14mick_homeit isn't a problem with mediawiki ;)
23:11:25mick_homelike MoinMoin? ya... i know
23:11:43mick_homethat is why all the other wikis have (more or less) died and the best one is still around
23:12:06rasherMediawiki is a monster
23:12:13rasherAnd a mess
23:12:14mick_homehow so?
23:12:34dionoeamediawiki is awesome
23:12:38dionoeait works
23:12:41dionoeait looks nice
23:12:45dionoeait's easy to edit
23:12:48dionoeait's easy to admin
23:12:52mick_homei've contributed a patch to mediawiki - it was easy to code in a hook that emails people when a change is made
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23:13:06mick_homethe code is clean and it isn't a nightmare by any means (IMO)
23:13:24mick_homei've also skinned to look like
23:13:26rasherIt's just... collapsing under its own weight it seems. I'll admit that I don't have specifics, but I've jsut seen many people complain that it's impossible to work with.
23:13:35mick_homeit was one of the easiest things that i've ever done
23:13:55mick_homerasher: oh? funny taht you have no real examples
23:14:22mick_homedon't have any real examples*
23:14:34rasherI don't keep a log of why people are complaining, but when I see enough people give reasons, I make a note.
23:14:49mick_homei don't see any
23:15:03mick_homeand i've used it and coded for it...
23:15:11mick_homeskinned it and admined it
23:15:19mick_homeand i don't see those complaints
23:16:30mick_homei have seen complaints about wikis in general, "you mean I can edit the page myself?"
23:17:08mick_homeand the quality of wiki articles (that is not mediawiki specific though)
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23:53:11mick_homeomg twiki uses http auth
23:53:20mick_home+1 reason why i don't like it
23:54:43BagderI find it funny how people like to whine about the particular wiki
23:54:57pixelmamick_home: I thought you weren't here to complain ;)
23:56:06mick_homepixelma: i don't - i fix things
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23:56:13mick_homebut the wiki is hopeless
23:56:29mick_homeif you want me to convert it to mediawiki i ill (complete w/ skin)
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23:56:54*Soap came in late.
23:57:00SoapWhat wiki is hopeless?
23:57:16Bagderwhich else?
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23:57:44SoapI was hopeful that wasn't the charge.
23:58:14*petur spots a weird settings bug
23:58:50peturchanging a setting and powering down from within the settings menu doesn't save them
23:58:54mick_homei had a rant of why i hate twiki (usability bugs, accessability bugs, and just other things that make it crappy)

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