| 00:00:01 | Bagder | when you "fix" it I mean |
| 00:00:13 | mick_home | i'd create the skin,a n set it up on a server |
| 00:00:35 | mick_home | not the hosting part, sorry |
| 00:00:52 | mick_home | bandwidth is precious when you already have 10,000 downlaods a day |
| 00:01:05 | Bagder | a _day_ ? |
| 00:01:44 | Bagder | as in 3.6 million per year? |
| 00:02:01 | * | Soap suspects monkey porn. Everybody loves monkeys. |
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| 00:03:25 | Bagder | I can only boast 1 million per year |
| 00:03:44 | mick_home | Bagder: yes, those are the stats |
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| 00:03:58 | mick_home | we have over 3 million d/ls (but that stat is old) |
| 00:04:15 | mick_home | let me find the sf stats |
| 00:04:30 | Bagder | sf? then you don't host it yourself... |
| 00:04:36 | mick_home | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=105508&ugn=clamwin |
| 00:04:40 | mick_home | the site we do, clamwin.com |
| 00:04:48 | Bagder | "bandwidth is precious when you already have 10,000 downlaods a day" |
| 00:04:59 | mick_home | yes |
| 00:05:11 | Bagder | then how can sf count the downloads? |
| 00:05:28 | mick_home | we have two servers doing load balancing to sustain things like new releases |
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| 00:06:05 | mick_home | i have cms stats too - they match the sf ones |
| 00:06:13 | mick_home | roughly |
| 00:06:36 | Bagder | I'm still curious how sf counts the downloads? |
| 00:06:53 | Bagder | don't they only count downloads off their servers? |
| 00:07:04 | mick_home | Project Web Hits and such match what we have |
| 00:07:17 | mick_home | Bagder: no idea really :) |
| 00:08:05 | Bagder | the download link points to... sf.net |
| 00:08:14 | mick_home | Bagder: funny thing is how big of a userbase we have and we have a tiny channel :D |
| 00:09:03 | mick_home | Bagder: yes, we chouldn't handle that w/o mirrors (currently the images and such are already big enough to cause us needing 2 servers) :-/ |
| 00:09:47 | mick_home | but at any rate, i'll set it up if you have the bandwidth |
| 00:09:54 | mick_home | we got really OT there for a sec ;) |
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| 00:11:49 | Soap | If you feel MediaWiki is not only superior, but also easier - the best thing to do would be set up a demo fork and let the decision makers play on it. |
| 00:12:05 | Soap | Won't take much bandwidth as you don't need to make the address public. |
| 00:12:33 | habana | damned, just finished to build the latest version before i realize that my USB wire stayed at work ... |
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| 00:12:42 | Soap | But I, personally, believe such effort is better spent on content over delivery method. |
| 00:13:11 | Bagder | to me, the diff between the wikis aren't big enough to bother about |
| 00:13:13 | mick_home | Soap: at any rate an overhaul is needed |
| 00:13:24 | Soap | you keep using that word. |
| 00:13:27 | mick_home | how many visually impared peopl use rb? |
| 00:13:38 | Soap | more than enough. |
| 00:13:42 | Bagder | mick_home: quite a few |
| 00:13:55 | mick_home | then they should be taken into consideration, or? |
| 00:14:29 | Bagder | we haven't seen any complaints on the web site from those |
| 00:14:38 | Bagder | that I can recall at least |
| 00:14:42 | habana | mick_home: aren't they ? its there a compatibility trouble ? |
| 00:14:42 | mick_home | i mean not only w/ 508 compliance but w/ content too ImSureThatThisCan'tBeEasyToReadWithAscreenReader |
| 00:14:51 | Soap | more than enough that it can be said that Wiki complaints aren't rolling in like <insert witty analogy here> |
| 00:15:33 | mick_home | but i may be wrong |
| 00:16:01 | Bagder | we have a large blind and otherwise visually impaired user base |
| 00:16:03 | mick_home | if someone visually impaired could try it then I'd like to actually hear from them (as i could stand correctedDD) |
| 00:16:40 | mick_home | i (as a non visually impared person) find those things difficult to read |
| 00:16:55 | Soap | If media wiki is so easy, how about porting a wiki fork for the admins to play with? |
| 00:17:01 | mick_home | not *that* difficult, but enough to grab an asperin |
| 00:17:29 | mick_home | Soap: i may, but i want to mess w/ Desktop Tools |
| 00:17:42 | mick_home | once i'm done, i'd be more than happy to |
| 00:18:04 | mick_home | i think a good UI tool will have priority over this ;) |
| 00:18:12 | habana | mick_home: ive been told that if a website is easily readable with lynx navigator (text mode based), its good for blind people |
| 00:18:43 | mick_home | habana: that is assuming that youdon'thavearunonsentencelikethis |
| 00:19:08 | Bagder | but we don't |
| 00:19:29 | mick_home | and it is more like, if it passes section 500 - then it is most likely accessable or damn close to it |
| 00:19:34 | Bagder | they're only wiki names, they're not whole sentences |
| 00:19:42 | mick_home | Bagder: oh? isn't that how the wiki works :-P |
| 00:20:33 | habana | mick_home:thanks |
| 00:20:48 | mick_home | for? |
| 00:21:00 | habana | answer |
| 00:21:00 | mick_home | umm, ok "your welcome" −−not sure what for :) |
| 00:21:15 | mick_home | np ;) |
| 00:21:30 | mick_home | maybe someone in #accessability could answer that |
| 00:21:42 | mick_home | as it may not even be a problem (and i just may be wrong) |
| 00:21:52 | mick_home | yes, even i may be wrong at times ;) |
| 00:22:16 | * | petur wonders if JdGordon's commit of 8 november broke settings saving somehow |
| 00:22:54 | petur | gtg |
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| 00:26:00 | mick_home | habana: sorry, that was a typo i meant section 508* |
| 00:26:32 | mick_home | http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FWebHome |
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| 00:26:45 | mick_home | which the wiki fails |
| 00:27:31 | rasher | I haven't seen a single complaint on the mailing list about the wiki |
| 00:27:49 | rasher | And there are quite a lot of blind users (the voice ui is a major feature) |
| 00:28:21 | mick_home | good, then i can skip that part and concentrate on the Desktop stuff |
| 00:29:04 | rasher | I would think so. I believe you're the first person to really express dislike for twiki |
| 00:29:28 | rasher | Other than "oh, this is not what I'm used to" |
| 00:29:50 | mick_home | hmm, interesting |
| 00:29:53 | * | Bagder pointed webxact2.watchfire.com at wikiepedia => usability warnings overflow |
| 00:30:05 | Bagder | i.e it is not a software thing |
| 00:30:15 | mick_home | ok, i guess since i'm the only one - so i definitely will stop w/ that one |
| 00:30:21 | Bagder | to maximize that, you need to take care when you edit pages |
| 00:30:42 | mick_home | Bagder: pardon? |
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| 00:30:56 | mick_home | what do you mean? can you elaborate? |
| 00:31:00 | Bagder | Accessibility doesn't come with your flavour of wiki |
| 00:31:16 | Bagder | no matter what type, you can screw up or do good |
| 00:31:18 | mick_home | mediawiki? i just saw :) |
| 00:31:27 | mick_home | http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clamwin.com passes |
| 00:31:36 | mick_home | http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.clamwin.com fails ;) |
| 00:32:19 | mick_home | i'll see i it is something that i need to look into or not |
| 00:32:20 | rasher | I think unless we're going for a US government grant, "no complaints ever" is good enough to not worry about 508 |
| 00:32:41 | mick_home | i guess youa re right |
| 00:32:54 | mick_home | it is about the only thing that i can do personally to test |
| 00:33:06 | mick_home | screen readers are expensive :-( |
| 00:33:16 | Bagder | watchfire found numerous warnings in your front page wiki |
| 00:33:21 | mick_home | so automated testing is the only way i can go |
| 00:33:39 | mick_home | Bagder: that is what i said, it fails ;) |
| 00:33:54 | mick_home | i concentrated so much on the frontpage w/o thinking about the wiki |
| 00:34:13 | mick_home | but end users don't use our wiki |
| 00:34:20 | mick_home | it is more for developers |
| 00:34:29 | mick_home | so whatever - if it comes up i'll fix it |
| 00:34:52 | mick_home | and since you guys have no complains, moving on ... nothing to see here ;) |
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| 01:06:20 | donos | good day all. i just wanted to say that i found rockbox yesterday and am having a terrific time with it. if there are any devs in here, cheers! you are amazing! |
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| 01:10:05 | Soap | out of curiosity, what device do you own donos? |
| 01:10:15 | donos | ipod 5th gen |
| 01:12:22 | donos | i've been trying to confirm that the ipod's firmware was the reason my audiobooks were having problems playing through to the end, and somehow i discovered rockbox through the link maze. it has no problems with the files, and also handles the few flac files that i have hanging around, so it's been perfect. |
| 01:13:30 | donos | it was a bit ugly, but the jBlackGlass theme fixed that up nicely, and i've been showing it off all day ;) |
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| 01:15:05 | Nimdae | man, i need to check my encodes for this album...got some weird artifacting going on |
| 01:15:12 | Nimdae | dunno if it's the encoding or decoding |
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| 01:49:46 | zylche | muhahahaha... |
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| 02:55:36 | ani-adom | hi |
| 02:55:55 | ani-adom | with which software i can edit wps? |
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| 02:57:40 | nudel | they're just text files and bitmaps |
| 02:57:48 | ani-adom | yes |
| 02:57:57 | ani-adom | the bitmaps are the problm |
| 02:58:14 | nudel | just about every graphics program works with bitmaps |
| 02:58:23 | ani-adom | mmmmmmmmm |
| 02:58:42 | ani-adom | but i dont know the size of the iriver screen |
| 02:59:00 | nudel | the size is stated on the wiki i think |
| 02:59:50 | ani-adom | is there any software like h30mode? |
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| 03:00:16 | nudel | I don't know what that is, sorry |
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| 03:08:40 | Nibbier | wps supports bitmaps? nice... |
| 03:08:49 | * | Nibbier should get some rockbox device again :| |
| 03:10:07 | zylche | it doesn't support tifs :P |
| 03:27:55 | netmasta10bt | not even big tifs |
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| 03:35:53 | zylche | hm.. what time does the daily builds usually getr updated at?, preferably with a timezone attached.. |
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| 03:40:47 | webguest71 | hey |
| 03:41:01 | webguest71 | anyone have any screen shots or rockbox someone could show me? |
| 03:41:11 | webguest71 | if you could email them 2 me at tssdan@gmail.com that would be sweet |
| 03:41:53 | netmasta10bt | webguest71 http://rockbox-themes.org |
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| 03:42:02 | ani-adom | mmmmmmmm |
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| 04:09:07 | zylche | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? |
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| 04:48:47 | odla | hi i am syncing my ipod with gtkpod and when i add music to it i can't see it on my ipod after i disconnect it...do i need to update my rockbox before it sees the additions? i know they are really there cause i can see them when i reconnect my ipod |
| 04:49:15 | dj-fu | wth |
| 04:49:20 | dj-fu | why use gtkpod with rockbox/ |
| 04:49:22 | dj-fu | that's a silly idea |
| 04:49:35 | odla | why? what else should i use? |
| 04:49:44 | dj-fu | nautilus? `cp`? |
| 04:49:57 | dj-fu | rockbox is drag'n'drop file storage |
| 04:50:04 | odla | no shit? really? |
| 04:50:07 | dj-fu | straight up |
| 04:50:11 | odla | cool... |
| 04:50:14 | dj-fu | that's half the point, to not rely on gay shit like itunes |
| 04:50:54 | odla | where do i drag the music to? |
| 04:51:07 | dj-fu | anywhere, lol |
| 04:51:21 | dj-fu | I usually put it in \Music\Artist\Album\ |
| 04:51:29 | dj-fu | personal preference though ) |
| 04:51:46 | odla | right now stuff is all broken up in iPod_Control Music |
| 04:51:56 | odla | so i can delete that and start adding my music by dragging? |
| 04:51:59 | dj-fu | yup |
| 04:52:11 | dj-fu | then just use the file browser on your ipod w/ rockbox to find the folder |
| 04:52:14 | dj-fu | or generate a playlist |
| 04:52:19 | dj-fu | or enable tagcache and use the id3 tag browser |
| 04:52:19 | odla | ok |
| 04:52:30 | odla | well rockbox really is fucking cool |
| 04:52:37 | dj-fu | aye, tis |
| 04:52:59 | dj-fu | what sold me was drag'n'drop support. beats the crap out of itunes or plugins for other players |
| 04:53:08 | dj-fu | only unfortunate ting is players that detect iPods freak out on it |
| 04:53:33 | odla | i only use linux for this shit anyways so it won't be an issue |
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| 04:59:45 | odla | ok when i am trying to scroll the ipod wheel it keeps scrolling me up an extra space...does that make sense? should i update my ipod? |
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| 05:00:18 | zylche | I like that i can put on a black background increasing battery life by 1.94% |
| 05:00:24 | zylche | :P |
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| 05:09:38 | odla | hey i have a photo on my ipod nano now and i can't make it go away :p |
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| 05:09:47 | dj-fu | restart it |
| 05:11:06 | odla | dj-fu, i guess it was in slideshow mode or something |
| 05:11:18 | dj-fu | soundsl ike it |
| 05:11:18 | scorche | odla: no...it was in the jpegviewer |
| 05:11:31 | scorche | check the manual, and it will tell you how to get out of it ;) |
| 05:14:12 | odla | yeah i see now |
| 05:14:24 | odla | i can't believe how much more functionality it seems my ipod has now! |
| 05:14:31 | odla | great work rockbox devs :) |
| 05:17:04 | * | myzar licks scorche |
| 05:17:30 | * | scorche sprays anti-lick spray on himself |
| 05:18:07 | * | myzar patches code to counter scorche's anti-lick spray |
| 05:18:15 | myzar | always a step ahead ;P |
| 05:18:33 | * | scorche counter counters myzar |
| 05:18:39 | scorche | and i am a better coder than you ;) |
| 05:20:10 | myzar | only if you program in basic |
| 05:20:12 | myzar | ha ha! |
| 05:20:18 | scorche | ugh... |
| 05:22:24 | odla | lol...is pacman suppose to be sideways? |
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| 05:37:50 | mick_linux | anyone know christi? |
| 05:38:06 | mick_linux | tell her that her spam filtering sucks :-P |
| 05:38:25 | mick_linux | my ISP's SMTP server is blacklisted |
| 05:38:48 | zylche | hm.. we need a periodic table for the rockbox, wikipedia is getting worked on :P |
| 05:39:07 | mick_linux | zylche: what do you mean? |
| 05:39:21 | zylche | a plugin, for finding information on elements, etc |
| 05:39:37 | mick_linux | Reason that my email bounced: Blacklisted site `[205.152.59.52]' [Irritated] |
| 05:40:03 | zylche | anonymous email websites + proxy = anonymous email websites |
| 05:40:14 | zylche | [they usually add ip to bottom, lets not even talk about headers] |
| 05:40:22 | mick_linux | anonymous email websites? |
| 05:41:17 | mick_linux | mail.bellsouth.net is my ISP's SMTP server, which they require me to use. (using another is against the TOS and I can get my service revoked) |
| 05:41:48 | mick_linux | so stupid spam filters don't work w/ stupid ISPs :-P |
| 05:42:15 | mick_linux | i can also not email the selenium ide mailing list (or admins for that matter) |
| 05:42:22 | mick_linux | argh this stuff irritates me |
| 05:42:33 | mick_linux | some types of spam filterrrrring just don't work |
| 05:42:39 | mick_linux | this is a perfect example |
| 05:42:59 | mick_linux | same w/ that other one that makes you email from an smtp server w/ the same domain |
| 05:43:12 | mick_linux | now spamassasin, that kicks |
| 05:43:25 | zylche | ..wait.. |
| 05:43:43 | zylche | your isp forces you to use their email, or they'll not allow you internet access? |
| 05:43:44 | zylche | lol |
| 05:43:59 | mick_linux | it is to "prevent spam" ;) |
| 05:44:22 | mick_linux | and i'm serious too |
| 05:44:39 | mick_linux | stupid people + policies just don't mix |
| 05:45:26 | zylche | hehehe, we all know it's so they can monitor you easier. |
| 05:45:46 | zylche | I guess if they notice any tor connections they'll think your either a hacker or a pedo? |
| 05:46:21 | mick_linux | i guess - lol |
| 05:46:59 | mick_linux | so does anyone know her? |
| 05:47:31 | mick_linux | if so, can you please relay the message for me that i'd like to help her out w/ the DesktopTools stuff |
| 05:48:08 | * | zylche pokes the channel with a long pointy stick. |
| 05:50:25 | scorche | zylche: hey now....i have Long Pointy Stick trademarked |
| 05:50:42 | zylche | Not if Pi has anything to do with it. |
| 05:50:48 | * | zylche patents long pointy sticks |
| 05:50:52 | * | zylche patents long pointy sticking |
| 05:50:56 | * | zylche patents long pointy stick things |
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| 06:20:22 | corevette | how do you install rockbox on an ipod in linux |
| 06:22:17 | Galois | only some ipods will work with rockbox |
| 06:24:42 | scorche | corevette: see the manual |
| 06:24:50 | Galois | I'd try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
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| 06:45:33 | zylche | doubtful |
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| 08:18:39 | jba_ | hmm ipod linux not support on 4g ipods, aren't 4g ipods really old? |
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| 08:23:43 | rasher | Supported means something different in ipl |
| 08:30:20 | lex | i'm rockboxed again! |
| 08:30:32 | lex | now i need some fonts, because green5g didn't appear correctly |
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| 08:31:31 | jba | rasher, i just saw that thanks |
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| 09:06:31 | mosh | sup :> |
| 09:06:49 | mosh | any improvements made with battery use + ipod recently? |
| 09:07:38 | scorche | mosh: there is a changelog on the front page for a reason ;) |
| 09:07:42 | mosh | i have a 5g |
| 09:07:54 | mosh | haven't checked in for months :/ |
| 09:08:20 | scorche | well, luckily there are links that will even take you back to the 2.5 release |
| 09:08:35 | scorche | right above the commit log |
| 09:12:10 | mosh | reading through all changes has been a nightmare for me, i never find what i am looking for most goes over my head, wish it wasn't this way but it is... |
| 09:14:01 | mosh | i wish there was a script that went through my collection and automaticly grabbed the bmp files for covers correct size and everything, doing it by hand for a big collection has got to suck.. |
| 09:18:18 | rasher | There is not. |
| 09:18:23 | rasher | There is about 800 of such scripts |
| 09:18:38 | rasher | Each worse than the other |
| 09:18:42 | mosh | lol |
| 09:18:54 | mosh | i started by hand already anyway |
| 09:19:54 | rasher | I ended up writing something by hand that used perl amazon bindings and downloaded every cover it could find, so I had to delete everything I didn't want |
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| 09:20:04 | mosh | where have you found the best place to get cover bmps? |
| 09:20:06 | rasher | But that worked out okay for me |
| 09:20:11 | rasher | Amazon and wikipedia |
| 09:20:32 | rasher | It all depends on your collection of course |
| 09:20:37 | mosh | amazon gives jpg, at least firefox saves it that way |
| 09:20:50 | rasher | oh, bmps, well that can be mass-converted later |
| 09:20:59 | rasher | I shouldn't hope any place delivered BMP covers |
| 09:21:13 | mosh | heh |
| 09:27:37 | thegeek_ | imho the best solution is using foobar2000 + run plugin + coverdownloader from hydrogenaudio forums |
| 09:28:05 | thegeek_ | if your albums are properly tagged you just rightclick on a song in the album, run coverdownloader and then doubleclick on the the cover that is best, and it is automatically saved |
| 09:28:27 | thegeek_ | I've tried a lot of different programs for downloading covers, this works best for me |
| 09:29:36 | thegeek_ | coverdownloader also handles a lot of different sites, all handles by python scripts |
| 09:29:42 | thegeek_ | so you could even write your own extensions |
| 09:30:26 | thegeek_ | amazon, walmart and itunes are the best though |
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| 09:31:52 | rasher | foobar is annoying though |
| 09:31:55 | rasher | Plus, Windows. |
| 09:32:43 | thegeek_ | foobar is the best;P |
| 09:33:12 | nave7693 | windows is the best XP |
| 09:33:26 | thegeek_ | meh |
| 09:33:48 | thegeek_ | I wish I had the time to switch to linux as my desktop |
| 09:34:15 | nave7693 | heh |
| 09:34:24 | thegeek_ | just takes too much time to learn everything again |
| 09:34:41 | nave7693 | well |
| 09:34:59 | nave7693 | you didn't think it comes for free right? |
| 09:35:10 | thegeek_ | what? |
| 09:35:22 | thegeek_ | ofcourse not |
| 09:35:26 | thegeek_ | that's my entire point |
| 09:35:33 | thegeek_ | it's not worth it |
| 09:35:55 | thegeek_ | I use linux on my laptop and my servers |
| 09:36:01 | nave7693 | well then I guess you are making my point |
| 09:36:12 | thegeek_ | no I'm not |
| 09:36:24 | nave7693 | then you have already spent the time to learn it |
| 09:36:44 | thegeek_ | I know it, just not as well as my windows desktop |
| 09:37:22 | nave7693 | meh |
| 09:37:33 | nave7693 | just for the desktop, you are better off with windows anyway |
| 09:38:12 | thegeek_ | If I were to switch to linux as my desktop fulltime I'd have to redo all the tricks and knowledge I already have |
| 09:38:59 | nave7693 | imo some of your tricks or knowledge will never be applicable |
| 09:39:10 | thegeek_ | that's my point |
| 09:39:17 | thegeek_ | I'd have to redo it all |
| 09:39:22 | thegeek_ | custom programs |
| 09:39:24 | thegeek_ | custom scripts |
| 09:39:32 | thegeek_ | custom everything I use for my desktop |
| 09:39:37 | nave7693 | heh |
| 09:39:43 | thegeek_ | having to redo it all is just too much work |
| 09:39:45 | thegeek_ | not worth it |
| 09:39:48 | nave7693 | I'd like to see you custom an itunes, or WMP |
| 09:39:56 | thegeek_ | huh? |
| 09:39:57 | nave7693 | just for starters |
| 09:40:03 | thegeek_ | itunes and wmp suck |
| 09:40:28 | nave7693 | well then what do you use with your windows desktop? |
| 09:40:30 | thegeek_ | linux has way superior programs, amarok for example |
| 09:40:35 | thegeek_ | I use foobar2000 |
| 09:40:39 | thegeek_ | with my own custom setup |
| 09:40:58 | thegeek_ | for my shell I use litestep with my own theme and custom plugins |
| 09:41:21 | thegeek_ | almost all programs I use I've customized and changed to work just how I want it;P |
| 09:41:29 | nave7693 | ok then |
| 09:41:43 | nave7693 | litestep? |
| 09:41:47 | thegeek_ | yes |
| 09:41:52 | thegeek_ | modular shell |
| 09:41:57 | nave7693 | what's that? |
| 09:41:59 | thegeek_ | replaces explorer |
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| 09:42:22 | thegeek_ | explorer is the start menu, taskbar and file browser |
| 09:42:35 | thegeek_ | litestep replaces it and allows you to write your own plugins that handle all that |
| 09:42:58 | thegeek_ | then you can build your own setup |
| 09:43:06 | thegeek_ | using scripts or native code |
| 09:43:18 | nave7693 | oooook.... |
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| 09:43:53 | thegeek_ | the setup I use now is 3-4 years old, if I had to port all that to linux it would take waaay too much time;P |
| 09:46:26 | nave7693 | well I guess if your that extreme nothing would suit you better |
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| 11:29:03 | JdGordon | evening all |
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| 11:31:43 | JdGordon | anyone up yet? |
| 11:31:54 | tychver | I haven't been to bed yet... |
| 11:32:00 | hcs | nor have I |
| 11:32:01 | tychver | I live in New Zealand though |
| 11:32:06 | tychver | GMT +12 |
| 11:32:16 | JdGordon | so its only 11.30.. not bed time yet |
| 11:32:18 | hcs | GMT -4/5, been up all night |
| 11:32:47 | mosh | rasher: do you have a script for dling covers for *nix i don't use windows |
| 11:32:50 | tychver | hcs: tired yet? |
| 11:33:02 | hcs | yeah |
| 11:33:16 | hcs | went to a great concert, ripping and tagging the CDs I bought |
| 11:33:20 | jba | JdGordon, an auusie also eh? |
| 11:33:25 | JdGordon | yea |
| 11:33:29 | jba | hehe |
| 11:33:54 | jba | saturday night and i'm trying to get ipl on my ipod 4G. want to still use itunes db, would be much easier if rb could do it |
| 11:34:15 | JdGordon | im sick, so i have an excuse to be here all night |
| 11:34:38 | jba | i'm married with a kid and another not far around the corner |
| 11:34:40 | rasher | mosh: not anything useful enough to share.. it was really a one-time thing.. might even have deleted some parts |
| 11:34:45 | jba | so my excuse beats yours |
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| 11:36:09 | JdGordon | ok, you win |
| 11:36:59 | rasher | But at what cost |
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| 11:37:47 | JdGordon | rasher: not that i really care or anything... but my locaito never made it onto your page ;'( |
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| 11:38:47 | rasher | JdGordon: Hm, strange. I disallow additions from time to time if they look strange, something might have gone wrong. Try again |
| 11:39:05 | JdGordon | it was ages ago, but i never could b bothered chasin it up |
| 11:39:05 | petur | ah JdGordon... got a question for ya |
| 11:39:09 | JdGordon | shoot |
| 11:39:17 | petur | something's weird with settings saving |
| 11:39:41 | petur | when changing a setting and shutting down within the menu it won't save to disk |
| 11:39:42 | amiconn | Hrrrm, FLAC is clearly less efficient compression-wise than I hoped... :( |
| 11:40:14 | rasher | JdGordon: I see you on the list. In Melbourne. |
| 11:40:16 | hcs | I am just now learning the exact same thing |
| 11:40:41 | JdGordon | petur: shutting down while your in the menu? um... i guess its because it doesnt register to save untill exiting the menus, so it makes sence |
| 11:40:44 | JdGordon | rasher: oh ok |
| 11:40:46 | amiconn | Almost everything I throw at it ends up at 60..70% original size |
| 11:40:48 | rasher | JdGordon: Submissions don't appear instantly - which is explained when you submit |
| 11:41:10 | petur | and I don't know how dircache saves its state but richt now it always gives me a Scanning splash and Moos says this should only happen the first boot |
| 11:41:16 | amiconn | That is with flac -8 of course |
| 11:41:19 | JdGordon | rasher: no, i sumitted ages ago, like aronud when it firs went online |
| 11:41:46 | JdGordon | petur: righto, ill check it out |
| 11:42:00 | rasher | JdGordon: Well, you're here on the list. Maybe you had the exact same coordinates as someone else? |
| 11:42:07 | JdGordon | maybe |
| 11:42:20 | rasher | Let's try the google maps interface of doom |
| 11:43:54 | amiconn | petur: The config being not saved before leaving the menu has always been the way it works |
| 11:44:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: any chance you'll be able t have a look at the rtc settings code in the next few days please? |
| 11:44:44 | petur | oh, is it? |
| 11:45:09 | petur | hmmm.. and how does dircache actually behave splashwise? |
| 11:45:18 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 11:45:32 | amiconn | You know, that's a feature I never use... |
| 11:45:36 | * | amiconn hates it |
| 11:45:39 | petur | :) |
| 11:48:53 | pixelma | rasher: JdGordon is hidden behind "The Purple Nazz" on the map |
| 11:49:10 | * | JdGordon wonders if pixelma is stalking me... |
| 11:49:20 | rasher | pixelma: Yeah, and it seems my map has a bug.. |
| 11:50:04 | JdGordon | amiconn: lets say the only thing in the patch that wasnt ready was the trc settings... is tha a big deal? |
| 11:50:17 | * | JdGordon would really like t get this commited soon |
| 11:55:02 | n1s | heh, my position in the map is about 50km south of where I placed it, and it won't move |
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| 11:55:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: do you mean the menu settings recoding thing? |
| 11:55:48 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:56:15 | pixelma | ok... I'll test on Ondio then (guess that hasn't been done before...) |
| 11:56:21 | JdGordon | yay :) |
| 11:56:27 | JdGordon | just bfore you do |
| 11:56:28 | rasher | n1s: Sometimes the values get rounded to the nearest int, and I have NO idea why |
| 11:56:45 | JdGordon | nothing at themoment is saved to the RTC... so i dont kow if thats a problem or not |
| 11:56:48 | rasher | n1s: you should be able to change it though.. |
| 11:56:54 | JdGordon | does the ondio have rtc ram? |
| 11:56:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: well the Ondio has no RTC |
| 11:57:06 | JdGordon | ok then |
| 11:57:52 | * | JdGordon wonders why the hell theme files are saving relative instead of full path! |
| 11:58:14 | rasher | Config sector size thing |
| 11:58:18 | rasher | I imagine |
| 11:58:27 | * | jba wonders whi the menu in rockbox isn't able to be themed more like the WPS |
| 11:58:43 | JdGordon | jba: patients... eventually it probably will |
| 11:59:06 | jba | hehe, true that |
| 11:59:13 | JdGordon | rasher: I rekon more code is wasted for the special case to put the full path back, than the RAM needed t store the full path |
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| 11:59:41 | petur | weird... dircache_load() is only called if HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS is defined? Or do I miss something? |
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| 12:00:03 | JdGordon | where? |
| 12:00:13 | petur | main.c |
| 12:00:16 | rasher | JdGordon: But isn't it because there's little/no room in the config block? |
| 12:00:19 | n1s | rasher: tried again "Your update has been recorded, and will be effective once it's been approved." |
| 12:00:21 | rasher | Or am I misunderstanding |
| 12:00:25 | rasher | n1s: I'll see |
| 12:00:28 | JdGordon | rasher: ah yes, your correct |
| 12:00:39 | rasher | n1s: That worked |
| 12:00:45 | n1s | yay |
| 12:01:50 | n1s | petur: the dircache will need to scan the disk on every boot to see if the OF has messed with it while if rockbox is flashed ther's no OF and the bootloader usb mode sets some dirty flag or something. |
| 12:02:29 | petur | aha |
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| 12:03:16 | amiconn | rasher, JdGordon: There are several reasons why the path is left out. |
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| 12:03:39 | JdGordon | apart from config block size? |
| 12:03:45 | petur | so now I need to figure out why it's not scanning in the background. It should do that in the background, no? |
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| 12:05:30 | n1s | petur: I don't know... |
| 12:05:39 | amiconn | JdGordon: (1) config block size (2) RAM usage in global_settings (3) The path for each kind of file is fixed if it's permanent |
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| 12:05:59 | amiconn | Files outside the standard path are temporary and not stored in the settings. That's a feature |
| 12:06:26 | JdGordon | so whats the logic in saving the full path into the cfg file? |
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| 12:07:01 | rasher | n1s: Looks like I lied to you. You are still at the old .00000 location. It seems I have more bugs. |
| 12:08:01 | amiconn | JdGordon: Huh? |
| 12:08:23 | n1s | rasher: oh... well doesn't matter really |
| 12:08:33 | amiconn | odd |
| 12:08:45 | JdGordon | the full path for the wps is saved t the .cfg file. if the path is fixed this isnt needed? |
| 12:09:01 | JdGordon | unless the cvs build im using isnt really cvs |
| 12:09:04 | amiconn | Hmm, I guess that needs more cleanup then, and a decision... |
| 12:09:10 | petur | Slasheri: ping? |
| 12:09:23 | JdGordon | # .cfg file created by rockbox 061126-1731 - http://www.rockbox.org |
| 12:09:25 | rasher | n1s: Well, I hate buggy code.. |
| 12:10:54 | rasher | n1s: The weirdest part is why your location got truncated in the first place. It happens randomly that all submissions during a 4-5 hour period are truncated to ints, after that, I get proper submissions again. |
| 12:11:31 | n1s | so it's a "fun" bug :-) |
| 12:11:50 | amiconn | JdGordon: Well, config files can set values which aren't stored permanently, so I guess it makes sense |
| 12:12:35 | amiconn | Some questions arise: |
| 12:12:46 | JdGordon | yeah, full path is saved currently, I'd be happy to break that |
| 12:12:52 | amiconn | (1) Which is better, storing the file without path in global_settings and let every module concatenate path & filename, or store the full path in ram as well? |
| 12:12:57 | JdGordon | but I can do it in a way to make it sort of work |
| 12:13:23 | amiconn | (2) Do we want to keep the feature that everything outside the standard dirs is temporary? |
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| 12:14:22 | JdGordon | well, the current way (cvs) is exactly (1) which works, but the saving to disk will need special cases which arent so nice |
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| 12:14:38 | JdGordon | but that could be hacked into the settins list for the items |
| 12:14:43 | JdGordon | so no real big deal |
| 12:14:48 | JdGordon | tiny size bump tho |
| 12:15:05 | petur | bbl |
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| 12:15:07 | rasher | This is the phrase that makes amiconn explode. |
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| 12:16:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, im goi to keep backwards copatibility.. i know an easy ay to do it, seen as tge default for all these files are "" I can use that string to save the path |
| 12:16:30 | JdGordon | unless in the future we want nicer default themes |
| 12:16:53 | linuxstb | I think it would be nice to allow users to store files outside .rockbox if they want to - i.e. drop the hard-coded paths. |
| 12:17:12 | JdGordon | and up the mem usage to MAX_PATH for each setting? |
| 12:17:41 | rasher | How many path settings are there? |
| 12:17:45 | Slasheri | petur: pong |
| 12:17:59 | rasher | And can't you already (in theory) risk having a 255 character filename within .rockbox? |
| 12:18:01 | JdGordon | rasher: 7 |
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| 12:18:13 | rasher | How large is the buffer currently? |
| 12:18:17 | JdGordon | 20 |
| 12:18:24 | JdGordon | so yes, easy to overflow it |
| 12:18:32 | * | jba 's 5 cents worth, i like being forced to keep all my "alternate" os files in one location, makes it easier to housclean |
| 12:18:34 | petur | Slasheri: is it normal for dircache to always show the Scanning splash at boot? |
| 12:18:38 | Slasheri | petur: dircache state can't be loaded from disk unless eeprom is used by rockbox |
| 12:18:40 | rasher | JdGordon: Is it checked for overflow? |
| 12:18:50 | Slasheri | petur: no, that seems to be a bug with ipods at least |
| 12:19:00 | Slasheri | i just noticed it myself too |
| 12:19:01 | petur | I have it here too (h340) |
| 12:19:12 | JdGordon | rasher: yes |
| 12:19:23 | Slasheri | ah, weird.. then i haven't noticed it because i had rockbox in flash on h140 |
| 12:19:28 | * | amiconn tries to find out how important that feature is... |
| 12:19:30 | petur | it happened after I disabled it and then re-enabled. It was working fine before that I think |
| 12:19:34 | rasher | well, not so easy to overflow it then.. Just.. pretty limiting |
| 12:19:37 | linuxstb | Well, reducing the size of paths stored in RAM is a good reason to keep the limit, so I don't mind either way. |
| 12:19:41 | JdGordon | rasher: actually.. not really |
| 12:19:45 | Slasheri | but can't fix it until next week because i forget the apple usb cable in work place |
| 12:20:24 | Slasheri | petur: but if you could find the problem, please fix it :) |
| 12:20:25 | petur | I was having a peek but I'm new to the code and now real-life ended my trial anyway :/ |
| 12:20:29 | amiconn | One important point is that .cfg files used to store full path, which should be kept that way imho |
| 12:20:30 | JdGordon | its either increase of RAM by about 2kb or increase of bin size for the special cases |
| 12:20:33 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Buy yourself a cheap dock to keep at home... |
| 12:20:38 | petur | maybe later today |
| 12:20:48 | amiconn | But now we're using a .cfg file for the bootup config as well, which implies loading the full path |
| 12:20:52 | * | JdGordon is happy eother way |
| 12:20:52 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yeah, i need to buy a second cable at least.. |
| 12:21:01 | Slasheri | now it's pain to always carry the cable with |
| 12:21:01 | * | petur runs off again for duties... |
| 12:21:18 | amiconn | ...because the bootup .cfg shouldn't be any more special apart from its name |
| 12:21:44 | JdGordon | fine.. full path it is |
| 12:22:00 | amiconn | In .cfg, definitely. |
| 12:22:09 | amiconn | The question is what to do in RAM |
| 12:22:17 | amiconn | How many such paths do we mave? |
| 12:22:20 | JdGordon | toss a coin? |
| 12:22:26 | JdGordon | 7 worse case |
| 12:22:28 | linuxstb | Why do we need the full path in the .cfg, if it's relative to a hard-coded path? |
| 12:22:29 | amiconn | (Most important on the low-ram targets) |
| 12:23:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: .cfg isn't relative to hard-coded path |
| 12:23:23 | linuxstb | Ah, so you can load something temporarily? |
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| 12:24:08 | JdGordon | yes, and what will happen is a possibly non-existant filename will be saved to the cfg file |
| 12:24:16 | JdGordon | which means no wps next load |
| 12:24:29 | amiconn | Nah |
| 12:24:38 | JdGordon | nah? |
| 12:24:41 | amiconn | Then rockbox will fall back to the built-in default |
| 12:24:57 | JdGordon | yeah... thats what i meant by none |
| 12:25:08 | amiconn | I tend to think that storing the full path internally would be better, even if it costs RAM :/ |
| 12:25:48 | amiconn | It would make it easier to fall back to the previous file if the new one fails (e.g. for backdrop) |
| 12:25:51 | JdGordon | bin usage would be about 40bytes extra for each setting if we want t keep ram usage donw |
| 12:26:06 | JdGordon | + code to handle it |
| 12:26:30 | JdGordon | actually, less than 40bytes.. |
| 12:26:36 | amiconn | ...which isn't possible with the current solution. Now rb cannot fall back if the previous background was temporary |
| 12:26:52 | JdGordon | /path/realtive/to/.rockbox/%s.<ext> would be saved for each |
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| 12:29:10 | JdGordon | so... decision? |
| 12:29:58 | pixelma | JdGordon: first impression... argh - I don't want the settings to _not_ update live |
| 12:30:34 | amiconn | Live settings is a must |
| 12:31:25 | pixelma | also the default display contrast for Ondio (probably other Archoses) is much too high (set to 40 - while I turn it to 29/30) and somehow changing it only moved the tick |
| 12:32:11 | pixelma | (I run the build with Rolo though - shouldn't make a difference but maybe it does?) |
| 12:32:18 | JdGordon | its useing the DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING define.. so maybe thats too high... |
| 12:32:29 | amiconn | Probably the new settings code doesn't properly ask the lcd driver for the default contrast |
| 12:32:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: The default contrast on archos isn't fixed, it can be one of 2 values depending on hardware version |
| 12:33:04 | JdGordon | oh |
| 12:33:29 | pixelma | JdGordon: but changing has no visible effect - only the tick moves, the contrast doesn't get changed |
| 12:34:16 | amiconn | I wonder why you don't compare to how existing code works.... it's not the first time... :/ |
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| 12:34:28 | JdGordon | does the contrsat setting have a callback? |
| 12:34:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: last conut there was 180 odd settings, i cant check every one |
| 12:34:46 | JdGordon | especially when i dont have every target |
| 12:35:08 | JdGordon | this is why im here asking for help... |
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| 12:36:34 | pixelma | ah... JdGordon: when I leave the settings menu it gets changed - another disadvantage of the settings not being live I guess |
| 12:36:57 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you try changing the second NULL to lcd_set_contrast in settins_list.c line 186? |
| 12:37:07 | JdGordon | that shuold make it work when you move the tick |
| 12:39:18 | pixelma | hmm... if this was also the flyspray task I commented on I had those problems in other settings to - I'll try sound setting and so on first |
| 12:39:42 | pixelma | *too |
| 12:39:48 | * | JdGordon hasnt had any emails from flyspray on that patch since yesterday |
| 12:39:59 | pixelma | it's been a while |
| 12:40:09 | JdGordon | then its a diffrent one... |
| 12:41:46 | amiconn | JdGordon: For the default contrast, you need to call lcd_default_contrast() |
| 12:42:00 | amiconn | On archos this returns either 49 or 31 depending on hw version |
| 12:42:18 | JdGordon | cant really do that with this code... |
| 12:42:28 | JdGordon | split the diff and go 37? |
| 12:44:26 | pixelma | ah.. sound setting are updated live... |
| 12:45:18 | JdGordon | so he general consensus is store full path in RAM ? |
| 12:45:21 | pixelma | sorry for the false alarm (maybe I mixed it in my mind with the other patch because of the "ticks") |
| 12:45:30 | JdGordon | maybe |
| 12:45:44 | JdGordon | but i tihnk alot of the settings are not live |
| 12:46:18 | JdGordon | and stuff which need a function call wont happen untill exiting the menu until they are noticed and fixed, like contrast |
| 12:46:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: I wonder why... iirc this isn't the only setting with a dynamic default. |
| 12:47:01 | JdGordon | because it never even occured to me? |
| 12:47:06 | JdGordon | which others have? |
| 12:47:09 | amiconn | You can't simply choose the average. 40 is way too dark on newer units (where the default would be 31), and way too bright on older units |
| 12:47:23 | amiconn | That's why there is that funtction |
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| 12:48:16 | JdGordon | ok, if the functio pointer is type cast to an int then it can be handled fine |
| 12:48:38 | JdGordon | still got 20 odd bits of the flag int spare |
| 12:48:39 | amiconn | All sound settings for instance... |
| 12:48:53 | JdGordon | sound is fine because thats handled with special code for all of them |
| 12:49:06 | JdGordon | this adds theneed for obscure cases |
| 12:49:24 | amiconn | global_settings.volume = sound_default(SOUND_VOLUME); |
| 12:49:26 | amiconn | etc |
| 12:50:02 | JdGordon | int flags; /* ____ ____ ____ ____ TFRV SRTS HRSC STTT */ <- need a better way to visualise this int :p |
| 12:50:17 | pixelma | JdGordon: otherwise the patch seems to be ok - settings got stored and loaded correctly when I rebooted and rolo'ed in again |
| 12:50:26 | JdGordon | yay :) |
| 12:50:38 | JdGordon | can you run it for a few dyas and let me know if anythin else is funny? |
| 12:50:41 | amiconn | Btw, RoLo needs to be split in high-level and low-level part |
| 12:50:44 | pixelma | will test a bit further though ;) |
| 12:50:48 | amiconn | The current implementation is dirty |
| 12:51:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: What would the patch store in rtc ram? |
| 12:51:24 | JdGordon | I dont know |
| 12:51:34 | JdGordon | anything thatneeds to be set before reading from disk |
| 12:51:42 | amiconn | Imho the rtc ram should only store the most volatile values, in order to save the need for a spinup on powerdown |
| 12:52:17 | pixelma | JdGordon: I will - should I also try the code change in settings_list.c or are you going to rewrite anyway? |
| 12:52:22 | amiconn | Oh, and those values as well. Only applies to car adapter mode afair |
| 12:52:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: ill put a new patch up in a little while |
| 12:52:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: The volatile values are the two runtime values (current and top) and the resume position |
| 12:52:51 | pixelma | ok |
| 12:54:59 | amiconn | How are these values saved now for targets without non-volatile memory? |
| 12:55:06 | JdGordon | to disk |
| 12:55:12 | JdGordon | they will be stored to both |
| 12:55:23 | JdGordon | atm nothing has the rtc flag set |
| 12:55:51 | amiconn | To disk? In what form? Separate binary file? |
| 12:55:59 | JdGordon | no, in the cfg file |
| 12:56:34 | amiconn | The patch saves the whole .cfg on every spinup then? Not good imo... |
| 12:56:57 | JdGordon | whats the difference? it doesnt ever spin it up espeaiclly to save |
| 12:57:16 | JdGordon | there is provisions to only save certain settings to a seperate .cfg file |
| 12:57:51 | amiconn | No, but it saves the _whole_ .cfg which can be huge and is rather complex, on every spinup |
| 12:58:14 | amiconn | Targets w/o non-volatile memory should save those settings into a separate _binary_ file |
| 12:58:46 | JdGordon | so when do you do a ful save? just shutdown? |
| 12:58:59 | amiconn | No, on shutdown or config change |
| 12:59:03 | amiconn | ...as it is now |
| 12:59:20 | JdGordon | do settings need to be flushed at all then? |
| 12:59:24 | amiconn | But the volatile values don't trigger a main config save, only a binary settings save |
| 12:59:43 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes. Battery might run out before shutdown |
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| 13:01:03 | amiconn | I don't see these values as "rtc settings" but rather as special "binary settings" which need to be handled specially (saved often, needed before ata init, or other) |
| 13:01:57 | amiconn | This doesn't only apply to targets with rtc ram, but to all others, independent of whether they have non-volatile memory (H1x0 eeprom comes to mind) or not (then it's a separate binary file) |
| 13:02:31 | JdGordon | there is a flag for sytem settings which could happily go into a seperate .cfg or bin file, and a flag for rtc, both can be used together... its just a mattr of whch flags to use for each setting |
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| 13:20:42 | JdGordon | ok, the code to handle functiions for the min/max/default is in |
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| 13:24:08 | JdGordon | anyone know any setings which use a funcitno for the default/min/max values instyead of defiens |
| 13:24:13 | JdGordon | which is usedd on the h300/ |
| 13:24:14 | JdGordon | ? |
| 13:24:32 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon |
| 13:24:36 | JdGordon | hey |
| 13:24:40 | amiconn | lcd contrast, remote contrast and all sound settings |
| 13:24:44 | daurnimator | i got to try out rockbox yesterday |
| 13:24:54 | daurnimator | - installed it on a friend's mum's ipod |
| 13:24:56 | daurnimator | :P |
| 13:25:12 | JdGordon | ha |
| 13:26:24 | amiconn | These special cases exist on all targets, even though e.g. the lcd contrast functions do just return a constant |
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| 13:27:31 | Kasperle | Slasheri: i reformatted and it does work better now ;) |
| 13:27:57 | JdGordon | ok, i tik it works correctly |
| 13:29:21 | Slasheri | Kasperle: nice : |
| 13:29:23 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 13:35:52 | JdGordon | how do you type cast to a funcition typedef? its not working |
| 13:37:46 | petur | (*fname)(args) |
| 13:39:00 | JdGordon | v nice usb logo btw |
| 13:39:05 | JdGordon | when did that come in? |
| 13:40:49 | linuxstb | cvs log apps/screens.c - 20th November. |
| 13:40:50 | amiconn | 20 Nov 10:56 |
| 13:41:13 | JdGordon | ok, well its v nice |
| 13:41:50 | * | petur points at pixelma |
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| 13:43:43 | pixelma | :) |
| 13:46:44 | petur | Slasheri: seems the dircache behaviour is by design: it always scans in the foreground because dircache_initialized is only set when either loaded from disk or done a rebuild. And the rebuild is done in main directly, not by posting a message to the dircache queue (which is what I would have expected). |
| 13:47:37 | amiconn | Iirc dircache once scanned in the background when the expected cache size was known |
| 13:47:54 | amiconn | That's another candidate for binary settings... |
| 13:48:01 | petur | I find no evidence of that |
| 13:48:45 | petur | anyway, my time's out for the moment but I should be pingable ;) |
| 13:49:06 | * | amiconn starts a 'ping -t petur' ;) |
| 13:49:19 | petur | frrrr |
| 13:52:11 | JdGordon | ok, the bloody sim is crashiing and i dont know why, and tis not the code i've just added |
| 13:52:28 | JdGordon | also my keyboard needs new batteris and im too lazy to go downstaiirs and gt :p |
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| 13:56:09 | Slasheri | petur: yes, if cache size is already known (loaded from the config), dircache is scanned in the background |
| 13:56:14 | Slasheri | so that is certainly a bug |
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| 13:58:34 | Kasperle | i'm finally able to test drive rockbox. yay :D |
| 13:59:07 | JdGordon | on the 5.5g? |
| 13:59:27 | Kasperle | yep |
| 13:59:47 | JdGordon | yays :D: |
| 13:59:48 | Kasperle | (30 GB) |
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| 14:01:53 | petur | Slasheri: ok, so it seems dircache_size is always 0 |
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| 14:02:17 | Slasheri | ah, so it does not get saved correctly then |
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| 14:06:15 | rogr | Hi all. Just started with rockbox. It seems that tools/mkboot.c is only for iriver. I was after patching an X5 firmware. Any clues? |
| 14:06:20 | heyJulius | Do anyone know why my X5 won't register usb, when I connect it it shows the icon, but thats it, no detection in windows |
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| 14:09:02 | Kasperle | hmmm. rockbox seems to think it's still good for 8hours 20minutes on 93% battery on the 5.5g that's not too bad. i'm gonna benchmark it over night |
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| 14:16:53 | n1s | rogr: there's no patching for x5 'cause it doesn't have dualboot officially. |
| 14:17:06 | rogr | yes but what about single boot |
| 14:17:48 | n1s | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 14:18:12 | rogr | but that is binary. Can't I patch it? |
| 14:18:26 | n1s | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:19:13 | rogr | I created the bootloader.bin from the rockbox-dev sources. I just want to patch it with a mkboot utility. I think that's the way it works right ? |
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| 14:20:42 | n1s | oh, maybe the scramble tool? not sure really |
| 14:21:09 | rogr | scramble? hmm, I'll check |
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| 14:21:45 | JdGordon | pixelma: new patch versioo is up |
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| 14:22:31 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'm sorry I have to leave in a few minutes - no time to compile and put the build on now |
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| 14:23:38 | JdGordon | ok, no prob |
| 14:24:44 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you going to lca? |
| 14:24:55 | JdGordon | lca? |
| 14:25:20 | daurnimator | linux conf au |
| 14:25:30 | JdGordon | nope |
| 14:25:37 | JdGordon | im not _that_ much of a geeek :p |
| 14:25:49 | daurnimator | sure you are |
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| 14:26:32 | NJoin | preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 14:26:43 | JdGordon | well... in that case.... screw you guys, im goii to bed! |
| 14:26:52 | daurnimator | :( |
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| 14:33:11 | rogr | n1s: It worked "./scramble -iaudiox5 bootloader.bin x5_fw.bin". Thanks very much for the help! |
| 14:33:18 | n1s | np |
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| 15:27:09 | petur | strange, global_settings.dircache_size is zero at startup and settings_save() gets called at shutdown, where it has a nonzero value. |
| 15:27:41 | zylche | is it getting loaded then? |
| 15:28:57 | petur | still splashing around ;) |
| 15:30:13 | zylche | :P |
| 15:30:54 | * | petur kicks cygwin a bit |
| 15:33:20 | petur | afaics, it saves a non-zero value and loads a zero value :( |
| 15:35:42 | petur | AHA! |
| 15:36:14 | petur | or maybe not |
| 15:37:26 | petur | is the order in user_settings important compared to the position in the bit_entry struct? |
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| 15:57:48 | petur | settings.c save_bit_table() (around line 930): doesn't the way the value is extracted from global_settings assumes that value is aligned on boundary of its type? Extracting a 32bit value assumes it is on a 32bit boundary because it accesses it at offset/4 but it could be non-aligned? |
| 15:58:17 | * | petur pings devs who know the settings code |
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| 16:02:33 | petur | hmmmm offset looks to be on a boundary |
| 16:06:07 | Lear | Doesn't gcc always put them on "natural" alignment, unless told otherwise? |
| 16:06:32 | petur | probably, otherwise that coulde would never work |
| 16:08:55 | * | petur knows M$ VisualC and VB do it differntly and remembers a fine bug in passing structs among them :) |
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| 16:14:07 | petur | I don't understand this anymore: in save_bit_table, I see the correct data and in load_bit_table it is zero ... grrrr |
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| 16:17:55 | Lear | What setting, and what target? |
| 16:18:09 | petur | dircache_size on my h340 |
| 16:18:31 | petur | the effect is that you always get the Scanning message at startup |
| 16:19:40 | Lear | Yes, I can understand that... Can you see if the bits are saved properly? |
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| 16:20:20 | petur | value is ok, haven't checked the actual bits *adds another splash* |
| 16:26:45 | Lear | Btw, seems to be fine on my H140... |
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| 16:27:29 | petur | I think it was here too, until I disabled it (+ reboot) and re-enabled |
| 16:27:59 | * | petur blames Moos for bringing it to his attention |
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| 16:29:07 | Lear | Sounds like it could be a problem with a particular alignment; i.e., the bits crosses a byte/word/long in a bad way... |
| 16:30:35 | petur | trying to understand the code now... |
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| 16:55:59 | petur | afaics, it writes the bitfield ok (long_index 27, bit_index 0 -> no boundary crossing) |
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| 17:00:35 | Lear | Still reads as zero? From get_bits, or did you check somewhere else? |
| 17:01:20 | petur | just added the same debug prints in get_bits, just a sec... |
| 17:02:11 | * | petur remembers to mask the value in order to read it |
| 17:04:00 | petur | woha.. get_bits reads the value ok |
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| 17:07:25 | petur | WTF! |
| 17:07:43 | petur | adding all this debug code and now the bloody thing works :( |
| 17:09:21 | petur | wait, I just tested this using rolo iso power up/down |
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| 17:16:09 | petur | nada... get_bits reads zero, so the value actually never makes it to the disk |
| 17:17:05 | petur | can somebody take a note of this or should I add it to the bug tracker? |
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| 17:26:45 | petur | I gotta go now, bughunters can look here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6408 |
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| 17:27:17 | rockerMan | hi , question: does rockbox use external chip for mp3 decompression ? |
| 17:28:18 | Lear | On Archos yes, otherwise no. |
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| 17:49:59 | [g2] | how's rockbox on the Sansa e260 ? |
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| 17:54:45 | PaulPosition | g2 - You'd need to ask Gnelik or Dan_a or Barrywardell about that. Or read the thread in the new ports section of the forum.. |
| 17:55:16 | PaulPosition | I think none of them is here right now.. But if you're asking wether it's useable, I think not yet. |
| 17:55:24 | [g2] | PaulPosition thx, any clue what TZs they are in ? |
| 17:55:58 | [g2] | GMT +/- # |
| 17:57:07 | PaulPosition | I wouldn't really know.. I'd say in the evening, GMT0 .. ?? Like in a few hours. But can't say for sure. |
| 17:57:53 | PaulPosition | g2 - Oh... You can also search the irc backlog at the rockbox.org site... |
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| 17:58:36 | PaulPosition | g2 - Will give you both the last few words on the sansa e2xx series AND an idea of when they're actually on. |
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| 18:04:15 | bluebrother | [g2], have a look at the IrcNicks wiki page. A couple of names have their timezone added |
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| 18:05:19 | [g2] | bluebrother I'm aware of the 20 IRC channel limit on freenode, but I've never been to IrcNicks |
| 18:05:55 | bluebrother | 20 irc channel limit? I'm referring to the rockbox wiki page |
| 18:06:35 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
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| 18:07:09 | [g2] | yeah you can only join 20 channels simultaneously on freenode without special permission from a single nick |
| 18:07:57 | [g2] | bluebrother thx's for url btw |
| 18:08:34 | bluebrother | I didn't get the conjuction between the limit and the timezone thing. Never mind. |
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| 21:52:15 | z35 | where can I get the rom file to flash the rockbox, do i just use the ajbrec.ajz file? |
| 21:54:16 | z35 | flash an archos recorder to rockbox? |
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| 21:57:41 | z35 | ahh, nm play the rockbox.ucl ... |
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| 22:06:11 | vanberge | are there any rockbox devs in here currently? |
| 22:06:20 | vanberge | please say yes |
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| 22:08:11 | vanberge | i just wanted to say thank you! :-) to anyone who helped with rockbox. Its seriously the coolest thing i've ever seen |
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| 22:09:51 | * | Bagder says yes |
| 22:10:16 | vanberge | well, thank you badger :-P |
| 22:10:30 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:12:02 | vanberge | Bagder, so are you one of the devs? |
| 22:12:13 | Bagder | I am, yes |
| 22:12:32 | Bagder | I've been on this since the start actually |
| 22:13:31 | vanberge | well, i wanted to come on here and pay my respects. i loaded it onto my ipod about a week ago and i love it. |
| 22:13:55 | vanberge | i struggled with ipl for a long time... was never really happy with the product. |
| 22:14:54 | Bagder | yes, well we have quite different focus and goals I think |
| 22:15:41 | vanberge | different maybe - but also similar - put an alternative OS onto a music player. |
| 22:15:51 | Bagder | yes, sure |
| 22:16:38 | vanberge | you guys ever need assistance? |
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| 22:16:47 | Bagder | always |
| 22:16:51 | vanberge | i have a I.S. / programming background |
| 22:17:07 | Bagder | we're all volunteers so we need all the hands and help we can get |
| 22:17:23 | Bagder | wherever you can and feel like contributing |
| 22:17:26 | vanberge | i'll have to check the source out.... i assume it is C ? |
| 22:17:31 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:17:36 | Bagder | mostly C with small parts in asm |
| 22:18:02 | vanberge | well i'll see about starting to get involved |
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| 23:45:55 | dshier | hello |
| 23:46:10 | dshier | why is the battery life on the ipod so low |
| 23:46:22 | Ribs | 'cos rockbox doesn't use both CPUs yet |
| 23:46:31 | dshier | oooooooooo |
| 23:46:39 | Ribs | so it uses the one CPU at fuller capacity than what it normally uses |
| 23:46:39 | Kasperle | that's not the reason i'd say ;) |
| 23:46:45 | Ribs | thus, more power usage |
| 23:46:49 | Ribs | meh |
| 23:46:56 | Ribs | that's my guess, Kasperle |
| 23:46:57 | dshier | kasperle what do you think |
| 23:46:59 | Kasperle | but i know nothing ;) |
| 23:47:07 | Ribs | if you know better, please enlighten us :) |
| 23:47:21 | Kasperle | i think that rockbox simply does not support all the power management features the hardware supports |
| 23:47:21 | dshier | when is rockbox going to utilize that second CPU |
| 23:47:35 | Ribs | dshier, work has already started |
| 23:47:42 | Ribs | I think some framework is there already |
| 23:47:49 | dshier | so is are the dailybuilds battery life any good |
| 23:47:53 | Ribs | but I have no idea what kind of priority that thing is |
| 23:48:26 | dshier | o ok |
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| 23:50:19 | dshier | so it sounds like work is getting done |
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