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| 00:06:12 | TPJ | hi |
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| 00:10:43 | TPJ | do anybody know something about the rockbox port to the elio tpj-1022 |
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| 00:22:22 | linuxstb_ | TPJ: Yes... |
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| 01:35:47 | webguest66 | were there 'plans' (i mean as close as you can get to plans on a volunteer project) to have HFS support for macpods? |
| 01:36:01 | JdGordon | noo |
| 01:37:28 | webguest66 | that cos ppl in the kno hav linux and want fat anyway or cos its a silly idea? |
| 01:38:01 | JdGordon | because fat32 is supportted by eerythign and there is more imporant stuff to play with |
| 01:39:08 | webguest66 | are there open source type applications to 'restore'/reformat an ipod the way itunes does or can anyold disk manager di it? |
| 01:39:14 | webguest66 | do* |
| 01:39:27 | JdGordon | restore to hfs or fat32? |
| 01:39:47 | webguest66 | either |
| 01:40:03 | JdGordon | linuux can probably do both fairly easily |
| 01:40:12 | JdGordon | im sure apple have a tool also |
| 01:40:37 | webguest66 | thanks |
| 01:41:37 | linuxstb_ | You can just restore using "dd" (assuming you make a backup...). |
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| 01:56:23 | JdGordon | anyonoe with an x5 here? |
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| 02:01:31 | Moos | jdgordon: yeah? |
| 02:01:55 | JdGordon | can yyou confirm is fs 6365 fixes the problem? |
| 02:02:01 | JdGordon | or if it even is a problem |
| 02:02:06 | Moos | link? |
| 02:02:18 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6365 |
| 02:02:22 | Moos | thx |
| 02:03:05 | Moos | I'm not a bookmarks user |
| 02:03:20 | JdGordon | :( |
| 02:03:23 | Moos | have you got a "how to reproduce bug" procedure? |
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| 02:03:39 | JdGordon | i dont have an x5 so i cant test it at all |
| 02:03:40 | Moos | if so I can test quickly |
| 02:03:59 | JdGordon | just enable bookmatks, add a fewe then hold rec and see if mrme than 1 bookmark is remmoved |
| 02:04:11 | Moos | let's test |
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| 02:05:56 | JdGordon | sim definatly seems t be effected |
| 02:06:28 | Moos | what's suposed to do "hold rec"? |
| 02:06:52 | JdGordon | sim definatly seems t be effectedthe current bookmark in the bookmark viewer |
| 02:07:43 | Moos | oops, I did just hold "navi" and that's stoped the playback |
| 02:07:58 | Moos | I really don't know how works this feature |
| 02:08:12 | JdGordon | hehe ok, dw, the patch seems to work in the sim corectlyt |
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| 02:08:40 | JdGordon | to make a bookmar you need to enable it on stop, then hold play at the spot yyou want it |
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| 02:09:05 | Moos | k |
| 02:11:28 | Moos | I said: commit and see ;P |
| 02:11:42 | JdGordon | ? |
| 02:12:07 | Moos | the patch that seems to fix the bug you said |
| 02:12:13 | JdGordon | great |
| 02:12:14 | JdGordon | commited |
| 02:12:21 | Moos | my brain is out :) |
| 02:12:26 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:13:02 | Moos | too more joints ;P |
| 02:14:29 | JdGordon | two more, or too many ? |
| 02:18:38 | Moos | too many, sorry |
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| 02:23:09 | TerrorByte | Hey! |
| 02:23:18 | TerrorByte | It's been too long. |
| 02:23:26 | JdGordon | it has? |
| 02:23:50 | TerrorByte | So.... |
| 02:24:05 | TerrorByte | Has there been any big advancement? |
| 02:24:39 | TerrorByte | LOL, where is Paul? |
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| 02:28:56 | Moos | good day/night all |
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| 03:51:13 | zzap | When I 'ipodpatcher -r * bootpartition.bin' it comes up with an error "Bad boot sector signature" - what could this mean? |
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| 03:54:35 | zzap | Anyone? Please? |
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| 04:17:21 | suteny0r | can anyone point me to unbricking guide for nano (had apple 1.1.1 fw)? |
| 04:17:47 | suteny0r | seemed to be working, then showed battery icon, powered off, now dead |
| 04:18:07 | suteny0r | no usb enumeration, no charge indication - tried menu+select for 10 sec no response |
| 04:18:17 | mick_home | suteny0r: i was about to install on my nano |
| 04:18:26 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 04:18:42 | suteny0r | probly had low battery when i was upgrading. |
| 04:18:50 | suteny0r | but never failed or complained |
| 04:19:04 | mick_home | you just might scare me out of it |
| 04:19:08 | suteny0r | left it plugged in (charge?) for half hour, but no improvement |
| 04:19:19 | mick_home | ok, so i'll make sure to have a full battery |
| 04:19:39 | suteny0r | i'm sure i used latest daily for ipod nano original version |
| 04:19:51 | suteny0r | replacing bootloader worked without error |
| 04:20:02 | mick_home | i thought that apple had some builtin stuff for unbricking |
| 04:20:03 | suteny0r | was working for about 5 min |
| 04:20:16 | mick_home | Bagder was telling me about that before |
| 04:21:06 | suteny0r | doesnt even enumerate on the usb bus now when i plug it in (no happy sound) |
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| 04:23:06 | suteny0r | any other secret powerup key presses, hidden reset buttons? |
| 04:23:55 | mick_home | i hope that won't happen to me :-( |
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| 04:26:52 | suteny0r | yay! |
| 04:26:55 | suteny0r | i'ts alive! |
| 04:27:22 | suteny0r | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7184.0 |
| 04:27:23 | suteny0r | helpful |
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| 04:34:09 | mick_home | ok, then i'll try it now :) |
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| 06:12:03 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to get the hard disk ribbon cable out of the ipod 4g? i dont tink its in properly |
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| 07:15:43 | CerebroJD | wow... zzap, you're right at the bottom of the list lol |
| 07:16:03 | zzap | I wonder why :| |
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| 07:21:35 | mavx | oO |
| 07:23:07 | JdGordon | anyone know if win95 hhad pcmcia support? |
| 07:23:45 | rasher | Not 100%, but 99% sure it did. Pcmcia is rather old afaik |
| 07:24:11 | JdGordon | nnot much chancce ill find win95 drivers for my wlan card tho |
| 07:25:22 | JdGordon | woohoo.. netgear has win95 drivers! |
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| 08:05:26 | mick_home | rasher: can you email Christi for me? |
| 08:05:48 | mick_home | rasher: my email bounced since her spam blocking software sucks |
| 08:06:26 | zzap | lol |
| 08:07:10 | mick_home | if she is ever in irc she can find me in #clamwin if i'm not here |
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| 09:17:37 | Bagder | mick_home: she hasn't been around much lately |
| 09:17:53 | mick_home | Bagder: mind emailing her? |
| 09:18:04 | Bagder | although she has appeared in the forums I've notice |
| 09:18:05 | mick_home | i'll /msg my email |
| 09:18:05 | Bagder | d |
| 09:18:18 | Bagder | PM her there |
| 09:18:23 | Bagder | "Cassandra" |
| 09:18:38 | mick_home | i *hate* forums |
| 09:19:19 | mick_home | sigh |
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| 09:45:08 | Bagder | I can't say I like forums very much either |
| 09:45:25 | Bagder | but many users seem to |
| 09:45:42 | scorche | I like them |
| 09:45:52 | scorche | but only when rules are strictly adhered to |
| 09:45:54 | * | JdGordon prefers forums over mailign liists |
| 09:46:03 | scorche | JdGordon: oh yes |
| 09:46:12 | Bagder | when I get mail, I tend to mark and get back to those to take care of |
| 09:46:24 | Bagder | and that is impossible with forums |
| 09:46:51 | JdGordon | ah, butt with mailing lists (or emaiils) once yuo say something stupid,. its there forever, you cant edit messages |
| 09:47:10 | scorche | im sure that there is an addition somewhere that would allow you to do something like that |
| 09:47:19 | BHSPitMonkey | I've honestly never been comfortable with the concept of mailing lists |
| 09:47:21 | Bagder | JdGordon: yes, but I just hate how people can change forum posts :) |
| 09:47:35 | * | amiconn prefers mls over forums |
| 09:47:41 | scorche | JdGordon: and forums are much more structured |
| 09:47:46 | BHSPitMonkey | I think forum post edits should be confined to appendages |
| 09:47:57 | BHSPitMonkey | in other words, "EDIT:" at the end |
| 09:47:59 | CerebroJD | badger, bookmark threads you need to watch? |
| 09:48:11 | mick_home | Bagder: if you wouldn't mind, maybe you can email her and ask her to fix the email thing? i just don't do forums at all |
| 09:48:26 | Bagder | I don't want to watch particular threads, I want to mark posts I want to reply to at a later time |
| 09:48:28 | BHSPitMonkey | Bagder, just subscribe to forums? |
| 09:48:42 | BHSPitMonkey | meh |
| 09:48:48 | CerebroJD | Bagder, individual posts? |
| 09:48:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:48:55 | CerebroJD | hmm |
| 09:48:58 | CerebroJD | which forums? |
| 09:49:10 | Bagder | forums.rockbox.org |
| 09:49:17 | scorche | when i read all posts, i prefer to write a response then and there |
| 09:49:33 | Bagder | I used to do that |
| 09:49:39 | Bagder | but these days I get more than I can reply to |
| 09:49:49 | CerebroJD | hmm |
| 09:49:51 | Bagder | so I have to scan through them all first, then select what to act on |
| 09:49:52 | scorche | do you still read every post? |
| 09:49:56 | Bagder | no |
| 09:49:59 | scorche | ah |
| 09:50:06 | scorche | yeah...it makes a difference if you do |
| 09:50:07 | * | CerebroJD wonders if thats an invision board |
| 09:50:10 | * | JdGordon would go crazy reading every poost on the forums |
| 09:50:19 | scorche | CerebroJD: SMF |
| 09:50:20 | * | amiconn stopped reading the forums quite a while ago |
| 09:50:29 | Bagder | I just read the threads that sound interesting |
| 09:50:35 | Bagder | which is just a small fraction |
| 09:50:41 | scorche | JdGordon: it isnt that bad unless you skip 2 days or more |
| 09:50:53 | amiconn | Simply too much jabber to follow. I only read posts I get pointed to |
| 09:52:00 | scorche | yeah, but then again, i am more support than you are, and you are more dev than i am ;) |
| 09:53:58 | amiconn | true :) |
| 09:54:07 | CerebroJD | holy crap... slooooow forums |
| 09:54:29 | * | Bagder is poster #4 on the forums |
| 09:55:04 | Bagder | CerebroJD: they tend to vary speedwise, no idea why |
| 09:55:13 | mick_home | i'm sure there are no blind people using the forum :-P |
| 09:55:27 | Bagder | the blinds are on the users mailing list |
| 09:55:43 | mick_home | saw that image to verify? |
| 09:55:43 | Bagder | clearly ;-) |
| 09:56:04 | mick_home | it has BLUE TEXt on a BLUE BACKGROUND (for me) |
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| 09:56:19 | Bagder | yeah, we try to keep you out of there ;-P |
| 09:56:20 | mick_home | and no voice button |
| 09:56:31 | JdGordon | side topic... damn debian is bloated |
| 09:56:44 | mick_home | i'm not blind but i may become blind from using the forum :-P |
| 09:56:45 | Bagder | if you get it all, sure |
| 09:56:55 | Bagder | my debian is not bloated |
| 09:57:23 | mick_home | JdGordon: wtf? mine isn't. you just don't know how to install a base system and work up from there |
| 09:57:27 | JdGordon | just doing a basic install with noothing but base, heaps of crap that ill uninstall aas soon as its finished |
| 09:57:29 | mick_home | ;) |
| 09:57:39 | scorche | JdGordon: try slackware ;) |
| 09:57:42 | Bagder | JdGordon: yeah, you get some crap you can delete |
| 09:57:47 | mick_home | or LFS :-P |
| 09:57:53 | scorche | no...just slackware |
| 09:58:03 | CerebroJD | hmm |
| 09:58:05 | n1s | Bagder: Did you make the party mode? |
| 09:58:12 | CerebroJD | is the UI customizable in Rockbox? |
| 09:58:16 | Bagder | nls: no, Zagor did |
| 09:58:22 | mick_home | the base does have some stuff that can get deleted but it isn't as bad as Fedora/Redhat |
| 09:58:28 | JdGordon | CerebroJD: only the WPS and general backgruond |
| 09:58:29 | Bagder | amen |
| 09:58:43 | CerebroJD | hmm |
| 09:58:47 | n1s | oh, just wondering if music is supposed to stop when entering recording or radio screens? |
| 09:59:27 | mick_home | is the voice UI enabled by default? or do i need to do some spiffyness? |
| 09:59:29 | Bagder | n1s: I guess for party mode, those should perhaps not even be possible to enter... but I'm not sure |
| 09:59:31 | mick_home | :) |
| 09:59:58 | n1s | Bagder: yes I thought so, because it wont let you kaunch a plugin... |
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| 10:00:13 | n1s | launch |
| 10:00:17 | * | JdGordon off to see borat |
| 10:00:24 | CerebroJD | haha |
| 10:00:29 | CerebroJD | "Itsa Niiiice!" |
| 10:02:09 | amiconn | mick_home: Voice menus are enabled by default (of course you need to install a voice file as well) |
| 10:02:25 | mick_home | cool |
| 10:02:41 | mick_home | i want mine to fully charge before trying it out |
| 10:02:50 | mick_home | i need to get rid of the HFS stuff too |
| 10:08:13 | scorche | well, the guy still hasnt given me his email address yet, so i guess i will just have to send the next (and most likely last) mail through ebay |
| 10:08:25 | scorche | also, if you notice, http://www.spidersoftware.de/pimpMyIPod/ is gone |
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| 10:27:42 | * | CerebroJD . o O ( "" ) |
| 10:27:47 | CerebroJD | whoah wtf |
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| 10:27:50 | CerebroJD | hmm |
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| 11:02:27 | mick_home | btw, can someone put in an extra <div> where the forum image comes in? something w/ a bg of white |
| 11:02:45 | mick_home | blue text on blue background wasn't the brightest idea |
| 11:03:08 | mick_home | also a sound version would be good for the visually impared |
| 11:04:01 | pixelma | mick_home: there is a button that lets you hear the characters (at least there was 2..3 months ago |
| 11:04:13 | mick_home | nope |
| 11:04:45 | mick_home | oh shit - in size 1em there it is! |
| 11:04:45 | pixelma | (I used it when I registered because I wasn't sure about one of them) |
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| 11:05:01 | mick_home | tiny ass text |
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| 11:05:55 | mick_home | i'm surprised that whoever set it up didn't once walk through it themselves :-P |
| 11:06:06 | scorche | mick_home: on screen readers which the blind use, the font size does not matter |
| 11:06:39 | mick_home | for non-visually impared people like myself - it does :-P |
| 11:08:01 | scorche | you started this topic of discussion for the visually impaired....people who can see alright have nothing to do with it |
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| 11:10:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: interested in my findings about your settings patch? |
| 11:10:10 | mick_home | scorche: what you just said makes no sense what so ever |
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| 11:10:31 | mick_home | btw - ssl support would be nice for a login |
| 11:10:35 | mick_home | i get an error |
| 11:11:13 | scorche | mick_home: and you mentioning that it isnt proper design for people with decent vision made more sense? |
| 11:11:18 | scorche | that was my whole point |
| 11:11:32 | mick_home | "forums.rockbox.org has sent an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12263" |
| 11:11:56 | mick_home | greek to me :-/ (don't you love errors that make no sense?) |
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| 11:12:39 | mick_home | scorche: accessability and usability are two very important things, that benefit all users |
| 11:12:57 | mick_home | i may not be visually impared but i'm getting there :-P |
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| 11:13:53 | scorche | then i suggest that when you are trying to make a case for visually impaired people, you do not throw one who does not apply into the mix |
| 11:15:13 | mick_home | scorche: wth are you talking about |
| 11:15:27 | mick_home | blue text on a blue background isn't the best idea for anyone to read |
| 11:15:35 | scorche | never you mind...it isnt worth it...carry on |
| 11:15:43 | scorche | we werent talking about that |
| 11:15:51 | scorche | but alright... |
| 11:16:30 | mick_home | the 1em font thing? (the "workaround" for the unreadable random image)... this gets into usability −− and you are right, it makes little sense to discuss it |
| 11:16:49 | mick_home | better to fix than to bicker :) |
| 11:17:05 | scorche | you really are not getting the point at all |
| 11:17:19 | scorche | but i do not have the time to properly explain it i guess |
| 11:17:20 | mick_home | i think you are missing the point |
| 11:17:23 | * | scorche moves on |
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| 11:18:58 | mick_home | if a person (like me) has problems with a user interface - other people will have it. the fact that i bring up accessability is merely because i work on accessable software, and know peopl who are visually impared. Also, near/far sighted and colorblind people make up the mix of "visually impared" not just blind people |
| 11:19:43 | mick_home | but you are right, better to move on... |
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| 11:23:53 | niendo | hi |
| 11:24:17 | niendo | I have some question about rockbox on iriver h300 |
| 11:24:28 | n1s | shoot |
| 11:25:19 | niendo | when I conncect my h340 to the power source it will boot with the iriver firmware |
| 11:25:28 | niendo | and not with rockbox |
| 11:25:55 | n1s | that is intended behaviour, but will probably be changed when (if) a new bootloader is released |
| 11:26:37 | niendo | is there a workaround for this behavior? |
| 11:26:56 | petur | jhMikeS: ping? |
| 11:27:05 | n1s | niendo: you can start rockbox and then connect the charger |
| 11:27:55 | niendo | mh,, this doesnt work, because I have some trouble with the Batteries |
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| 11:28:24 | petur | install new ones? |
| 11:28:24 | niendo | their are alwasy empty |
| 11:29:15 | * | n1s already put a new battery on the christmas wishlist :-) |
| 11:29:22 | niendo | Ok, so I'm waiting for the next bootloader release... |
| 11:29:41 | n1s | don't hold your breath... |
| 11:30:58 | * | petur thinks of new battery and 80GB disk if he can find one |
| 11:31:35 | niendo | I had the device already send to iriver but they were not able to fix it. |
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| 11:38:21 | * | petur discovered that when you put your mics next to the bass player monitor speakers you end up taping mostly bass :) |
| 11:38:48 | n1s | guess you learn something every day :-) |
| 11:39:06 | petur | good for me learning to play bass... |
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| 12:08:28 | mick_home | the manual mentions the "fonts package" being located here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 12:08:38 | mick_home | no such package as far as i can see |
| 12:08:41 | petur | jhMikeS: if you read the log: I had a crash at the end of a recording yesterday. After recording almost 100 minutes I pressed stop and after a short pauze it gave me (if I remember correctly) I04 at 00000002. It turned out it had saved the file ok, including the header. Could be I pressed stop more than once but I'm unable to reproduce. |
| 12:08:49 | mick_home | outdated perhaps? |
| 12:09:11 | petur | bottom right |
| 12:09:25 | petur | somehow the title went missing |
| 12:09:44 | * | petur summons Bagder |
| 12:09:57 | petur | ah no, it's still there |
| 12:10:32 | petur | bah.. timeout |
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| 12:57:40 | zylche | I just noticed.. |
| 12:57:45 | zylche | every page has "Page was last modified "Jun 17 2004" The Rockbox Crew" on it.. |
| 12:57:54 | zylche | even the daily builds and newly added pages... |
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| 13:00:40 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 13:00:44 | amiconn | Bagder: Around? |
| 13:01:04 | zylche | Bagder: Asquare? |
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| 13:28:10 | pixelma | JdGordon: ? |
| 13:29:42 | JdGordon | hey |
| 13:29:56 | JdGordon | you had findigs before? |
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| 13:32:32 | pixelma | yes... most important to me (though I don't know if it's fixed in your very last version) - it seems that setting changes weren't saved when i set those during playback... |
| 13:32:48 | JdGordon | which settings? |
| 13:32:53 | pixelma | ...even though the "disk" spun for audio rebufferin |
| 13:32:56 | pixelma | g |
| 13:33:51 | pixelma | I tried playback settings (like repeat, shuffle) also a different languag |
| 13:34:25 | JdGordon | wasnt even saved ono shuhtdown? |
| 13:36:17 | pixelma | I noticed that it didn't remember the changes as the unit switched off when the battery went flat |
| 13:37:02 | JdGordon | that makes sense... bbut usually it shold right the settigs to disk on a successful shutdown |
| 13:37:22 | amiconn | It also should write settings on next disk access after leaving the menu |
| 13:37:36 | JdGordon | yes, it does |
| 13:37:50 | JdGordon | well, it shuld |
| 13:37:59 | pixelma | I thought it was supposed to take opportunity of "disk" spinning during rebuffer |
| 13:38:16 | JdGordon | only if it knows the settings were changed (setting_save() was called) |
| 13:38:35 | pixelma | well it didn't |
| 13:39:18 | pixelma | also two settings didn't work properly themselves... |
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| 13:40:56 | JdGordon | .. which? |
| 13:41:02 | pixelma | 1) while I wanted to set "LCD mode" to inverse - I didn't get an inversed screen but the selector was changed from line selector to pointer type (probably a copy-paste mishap) |
| 13:42:40 | pixelma | 2) I wanted to call the fonts browser but it stayed on the menu entry "Browse fonts" - the statusbar showed MMC activity but nothing happened (hope you can understand) |
| 13:43:36 | JdGordon | 1) odd, checking. (2) probablly a path problem, shhuold be easy to fix |
| 13:46:09 | JdGordon | 2 is fixed |
| 13:46:12 | JdGordon | anythign else? |
| 13:46:26 | JdGordon | ill save this log and fix it tomrow hopefuly |
| 13:47:54 | pixelma | that's what I found so far... will test further |
| 13:48:06 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:51:37 | mick_home | pixelma: you are working on the docs? |
| 13:51:51 | pixelma | a bit |
| 13:52:03 | mick_home | mind if i write some patches? |
| 13:52:24 | pixelma | help is welcome :) |
| 13:52:24 | mick_home | or are particular people working on certain parts? |
| 13:52:46 | mick_home | i am still getting the LaTeX from cvs |
| 13:52:54 | bluebrother | mick_home, you can have a look at the ManualTodo page |
| 13:53:07 | mick_home | will do |
| 13:53:12 | bluebrother | it lists some people who wanted to work on certain parts |
| 13:53:28 | bluebrother | ... which doesn't mean not to work on those ;-) |
| 13:54:33 | mick_home | lol, i know how that is ;) |
| 13:54:43 | mick_home | i've seen some obvious things |
| 13:54:55 | mick_home | like the HFS+ to FAT32 part in the front |
| 13:55:07 | n1s | the red fixmes are pretty obvious |
| 13:55:09 | n1s | :-) |
| 13:55:20 | mick_home | and the missing link to the fonts package |
| 13:55:31 | mick_home | i'm going through it page for page |
| 13:55:33 | bluebrother | correct, rasher generated an overview over the fixme parts some time ago |
| 13:55:48 | mick_home | as a user first (still haven't installed it on my nano) ;) |
| 13:55:53 | rasher | I should update that.. I believe I even made a script to generate it |
| 13:56:40 | mick_home | pretty much, i was thinking i'd add parts that i thought were missing or parts that confused me i'd clarify and send patches out to one of you to review |
| 13:56:43 | bluebrother | missing link to the fonts? There is one in advanced topics ... |
| 13:57:01 | mick_home | it was one of the first pages |
| 13:57:12 | bluebrother | and on the installation section as well |
| 13:57:16 | n1s | mick_home: Post the patches on the tracker. |
| 13:57:25 | mick_home | ya, the bts |
| 13:57:35 | bluebrother | but if you found it missing somewhere please post patches ;) |
| 13:57:52 | mick_home | tht is the plan |
| 13:57:59 | bluebrother | great |
| 13:58:20 | mick_home | now to find docs on HFS to FAT32 conversion :-P |
| 13:58:58 | rasher | Which reminds me.. I believe there are quite a few updated languages waiting in the tracker.. |
| 13:59:10 | bluebrother | LatexGuidelines may be also interesting to you (if you haven't found it already) |
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| 14:01:07 | mick_home | bluebrother: you also realize that 130+ pages is a bit hard to swallow for the "average user" ;) |
| 14:01:38 | mick_home | a "getting started in 10 minutes" guide would be nice :) |
| 14:01:44 | rasher | It's not really meant to be read front to back |
| 14:01:54 | rasher | I believe a "getting started" section is being worked on? |
| 14:01:59 | mick_home | well, so it seems anyway |
| 14:02:03 | bluebrother | sure. That's why I started with the "quick start" some time ago |
| 14:02:17 | n1s | the "browsing and playing" chapter covers the basics pretty well |
| 14:02:45 | bluebrother | there are about 40 pages on plugins. The average user most likely can simply skip them |
| 14:02:52 | bluebrother | as the "advanced topics" |
| 14:03:01 | mick_home | well ya, i found that the install section was small and same w/ the section on how to use it |
| 14:03:25 | mick_home | when i saw the manual, i stopped what i was doing |
| 14:03:33 | * | bluebrother runs off −− back in a couple of minutes |
| 14:03:43 | mick_home | i was just thinking "oh damnit, i will be working on this all night" |
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| 14:04:02 | mick_home | then i realized that it wasn't *that* big |
| 14:04:08 | mick_home | it was just too much fluff |
| 14:04:46 | mick_home | a "getting started sheet" r something would be nice for the user not to think it will take all night to setup |
| 14:04:55 | mick_home | i guess taht is what the wiki is for thoug |
| 14:05:26 | rasher | Actually, I think the wiki should in many areas be replaced by the manual |
| 14:05:54 | linuxstb | The nice thing about having the manual in LaTeX is that we could build different types of manuals from the same source tree - e.g. something like a "quick start" manual and a "Rockbox reference". |
| 14:05:55 | rasher | as nice as the wiki is, the manual is easier to track and manage |
| 14:07:47 | mick_home | i will do what i can |
| 14:07:53 | mick_home | the sun is up, i must go to bed ;) |
| 14:20:09 | bluebrother | hmm. We could add a quickstart sheet that is limited to one page and somewhere in the appendix. |
| 14:20:37 | bluebrother | so users who only want to have this could rip it off the manual. OTOH I'm not sure if it's worth the work needed |
| 14:20:37 | n1s | shouldn't the quickstart be at the beginning? |
| 14:20:54 | bluebrother | as the quickstart that is already present isn't too long either |
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| 18:00:33 | t0dk0n | D= My ipod keeps going into read only mode >_< |
| 18:00:48 | t0dk0n | so I can't copy or delete anything |
| 18:01:00 | t0dk0n | does anyone know how to fix this problemo? |
| 18:01:09 | t0dk0n | running linux, and 5g ipod |
| 18:01:39 | amiconn | Your ipod doesn't go into read-only mode, it's linux doing this |
| 18:01:51 | t0dk0n | ah, thought so hehe |
| 18:01:56 | amiconn | This points towards a filesystem error on your ipod'd hd |
| 18:02:48 | t0dk0n | is there anyway to fix this? like see the log output of filesystem errors? |
| 18:03:25 | Slasheri | fsck.vfat /dev/sda2 or something like that on root |
| 18:03:34 | ze | without it being mounted |
| 18:03:34 | ze | :p |
| 18:03:44 | t0dk0n | haha alright |
| 18:05:38 | t0dk0n | ... it refuses to find it |
| 18:06:57 | t0dk0n | grrrgle |
| 18:07:11 | t0dk0n | oh well, I'll deal with it later |
| 18:07:12 | ze | well it finds it to mount it doesn't it? |
| 18:07:16 | t0dk0n | yeah |
| 18:07:23 | ze | then it should find it to fsck it |
| 18:07:29 | ze | if you have the fsck program for it of course |
| 18:07:34 | t0dk0n | hahaha I love that command |
| 18:07:35 | ze | and you're telling it the same device that you'd mount |
| 18:07:45 | ze | heh :p |
| 18:08:18 | t0dk0n | ahh, hmm... maybe I'll try unplugging it, restarting it into original firmware, then plugging it back in |
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| 18:11:09 | t0dk0n | lammmme... "superblock isn't able to be read or describe a correct ext2 filesystem" |
| 18:11:13 | t0dk0n | should i repair it? |
| 18:11:37 | ze | is it supposed to be ext2? |
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| 18:11:47 | t0dk0n | oh yeah, good point |
| 18:11:55 | ze | wrong fsck :p |
| 18:11:58 | t0dk0n | too tired, I'm used to ext2 over vfat :P |
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| 18:12:08 | webguest31 | hi |
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| 18:12:34 | webguest31 | does any one know when the 3.0 or 3.1 of rockbox will be out? |
| 18:13:06 | t0dk0n | ze: peculiar, my distro didn't ship with fsck.vfat :( |
| 18:13:17 | ze | i don't think many do |
| 18:13:27 | webguest31 | hello? |
| 18:13:29 | ze | most people fsck their vfats from win typically i think |
| 18:13:33 | webguest31 | anyone know? |
| 18:13:35 | t0dk0n | webguest31: it wont be determined... don't bother asking... |
| 18:13:41 | webguest31 | omg |
| 18:13:49 | t0dk0n | its open source software, noob! |
| 18:13:56 | ze | t0dk0n: check for a dosfstools package or ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/ |
| 18:13:58 | webguest31 | your a noob |
| 18:14:06 | t0dk0n | ze: thanks :) |
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| 18:14:15 | t0dk0n | webguest: very mature |
| 18:14:17 | ze | t0dk0n: i *think* its got one, anyway :p |
| 18:14:21 | t0dk0n | haha |
| 18:14:32 | webguest31 | nubish!!!! ds-x rules!!!!! wii rocks the socks!!!!!!!! |
| 18:14:32 | webguest31 | bye!!!! |
| 18:14:40 | ze | heh |
| 18:14:41 | t0dk0n | 0_o... |
| 18:14:43 | t0dk0n | troll |
| 18:14:56 | ze | if there's no 3.0 why would there be a 3.1? |
| 18:15:02 | ze | tell ya what, 4.2 will be out tomorrow! |
| 18:15:03 | ze | :p |
| 18:15:26 | ze | and they'll release 5.7 the next day |
| 18:15:46 | ze | but then they'll take 3 years before they make another release, and that'll be 5.71 |
| 18:16:24 | t0dk0n | lol |
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| 18:20:28 | t0dk0n | I think my whole Linux system is fscked up |
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| 18:20:36 | t0dk0n | I can't even untar |
| 18:20:47 | t0dk0n | grrr... I gotta run, thank you for the help ze ^_^ |
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| 18:35:36 | Gnelik | Can anyone give me a link to simple math expression parser in C??? |
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| 18:36:22 | merbanan | Gnelik: ffmpeg has one |
| 18:37:21 | Gnelik | ??? |
| 18:37:35 | linuxstb | Is there anything that isn't in ffmpeg? |
| 18:38:26 | merbanan | linuxstb: :) |
| 18:39:00 | linuxstb | :) But seriously, why is that in ffmpeg? |
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| 18:39:43 | Gnelik | Can't see it there.. |
| 18:39:45 | merbanan | linuxstb: it is for the ratecontroller, you can put in your own equation |
| 18:40:50 | merbanan | Gnelik: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC15 <−− is this what you need ? |
| 18:41:32 | Gnelik | YEP |
| 18:41:46 | Gnelik | but now i need to find it in source |
| 18:44:16 | mirak | hi |
| 18:50:09 | preglow | hah, cool |
| 18:50:59 | * | preglow decides to do the monthly whatever-happened-to-aac check |
| 18:53:18 | preglow | no more clues, as usual |
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| 18:59:18 | Lear | You mean the ffmpeg AAC implementation? |
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| 18:59:34 | preglow | aye |
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| 19:01:55 | Lear | There was some work done, but I guess it wasn't finished enough to be included in the main ffmpeg cvs/svn. |
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| 19:02:43 | merbanan | that is correct, the student working on it got drafted to the army |
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| 19:03:46 | preglow | haha |
| 19:03:53 | preglow | which country is he living in? |
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| 19:05:34 | merbanan | or so he said |
| 19:05:46 | merbanan | Russia |
| 19:06:04 | preglow | right |
| 19:06:13 | preglow | know what shape the code is in? |
| 19:06:36 | merbanan | I didn't mentor it, but I think it's quite good |
| 19:06:44 | * | amiconn is still waiting for the promised speex codec ;) |
| 19:07:19 | merbanan | should work with most lc samples |
| 19:08:33 | Lear | Not fixed-point, I *think*, from some of the commits I saw... |
| 19:10:45 | preglow | amiconn: oh, it's in the tracker, and i think it even compiles nicely now |
| 19:10:51 | merbanan | correct, not fixedpoint |
| 19:11:16 | preglow | i've got this weird feeling that it won't be too hard to fixedpointify it |
| 19:11:23 | preglow | but might very easily be wrong |
| 19:15:27 | Slasheri | FS patch committed for 5.5G :) |
| 19:16:36 | Gnelik | Can i use mallloc in plugins? |
| 19:16:53 | Slasheri | if you can use static allocation, no |
| 19:17:11 | Slasheri | but if you really need to allocate a big buffer, you can steal the playback buffer |
| 19:17:18 | Slasheri | or use smaller plugin malloc buf |
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| 19:17:59 | merbanan | preglow: prove it :) |
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| 19:20:32 | Gnelik | Does *my_malloc from searchengine is usefull? |
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| 19:25:03 | Gnelik | It tells than it couldn't find `audio_buffer_free' |
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| 19:32:20 | idoomed | hey i have a nano how do i play videos on it using rock box |
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| 19:37:57 | Gnelik | Can anyone help me to port eval from ffmpeg to rockbox |
| 19:38:24 | Gnelik | memory managment is difficult for me |
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| 19:40:25 | webguest95 | Slasheri: what does the new 5.5g FS code actually mean for people wanting to use rockbox on a new ipod? |
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| 19:42:23 | amiconn | Slasheri: Funny typo: "Some never players..." |
| 19:43:58 | linuxstb | webguest95: I think it means it works... (on the 30GB) |
| 19:44:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yellow builds! |
| 19:44:30 | idoomed | can a ipod nano with rockbox play videos |
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| 19:45:41 | linuxstb | idoomed: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:45:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: ...and the code is not only enabled for ipod video. :-( Why else would it break rombox for recorder? |
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| 19:46:12 | Gnelik | idoomed: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginVideo |
| 19:48:21 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Also, shouldn't MAX_SECTOR_SIZE be in the config*.h files, rather than fat.h ? Or maybe enabled by something like HAVE_LARGE_SECTORS? |
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| 19:50:29 | linuxstb | Gnelik: PluginVideo is the video player for the Archos Recorders and Ondio. |
| 19:50:59 | idoomed | ya not nano so i guess the nano cant play video with rockbox |
| 19:50:59 | Gnelik | Gnelik: ups. sory. |
| 19:51:43 | Gnelik | linuxstb: can you help me with porting memory managmeent to rockbox??? |
| 19:51:55 | linuxstb | What's the problem you're having? |
| 19:52:04 | Gnelik | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7561.0 |
| 19:52:31 | Gnelik | linuxstb: I want to write plot builder plugin. |
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| 19:54:10 | idoomed | when i downloaded a nano .rockbox file it cam with a mpeg player but i cant figure out how to use it |
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| 19:54:54 | linuxstb | You don't say what the problem is. Rockbox doesn't have the standard malloc/free functions, so you'll either have to implement them yourself, or rewrite that eval library so it doesn't need malloc/free. |
| 19:55:03 | linuxstb | idoomed: See the link I posted about 6 lines ago... |
| 19:55:17 | linuxstb | (sorry, 13 lines ago...) |
| 19:55:26 | idoomed | the fourms one |
| 19:55:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, yes. in fact config.h sounds better place for that |
| 19:56:04 | idoomed | ok |
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| 19:56:29 | PaulPosition | If I get a compile-time error in 'common/file.c' .. That would have nothing to do with rockbox and all to do with my vmware image getting corrupted or something, right? |
| 19:57:24 | idoomed | do i need to convert the avi to the nano hight and with right |
| 19:57:25 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: It could be the external (to the Rockbox source) include files being corrupted. |
| 19:57:28 | linuxstb | idoomed: Yes. |
| 19:58:08 | PaulPosition | linuxtb - uhuh... thanks, that's about what I thought. |
| 19:58:15 | idoomed | ok converting now to avi season 3 of rvb |
| 19:59:12 | linuxstb | idoomed: You need to convert to either MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 video with the correct size, and it also needs to be an "MPEG video elementary stream" - i.e. not multiplexed as .avi or .mpg. |
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| 19:59:44 | Gnelik | linuxstb: any thougths? |
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| 19:59:52 | idoomed | hm this may take a while hay im using a trial verson of a program and only converst 50% of the file do u know where to download one that converts the whole thing |
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| 20:01:40 | idoomed | oh im new to irc how can i make myown channel |
| 20:02:25 | linuxstb | idoomed: Did you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? That has some instructions for using free software to convert videos. |
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| 20:02:36 | idoomed | oh |
| 20:02:38 | idoomed | ok |
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| 20:02:49 | Gnelik | :) |
| 20:02:56 | zylche | Bagder! |
| 20:03:03 | * | zylche throws water on the Bagder.. |
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| 20:05:46 | jhMikeS | for anyone that knows: is iAudio fast in doing a repair? my x5's joystick right button just busted (mush with no click and stuck going right)...argh. |
| 20:05:49 | phlasphy | hey all |
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| 20:06:17 | phlasphy | there were a few guys in here that had that thing where there ears alwas ringing |
| 20:06:35 | phlasphy | are any of them here now? |
| 20:06:46 | zylche | my ears ring at times.. |
| 20:06:51 | phlasphy | at times |
| 20:06:54 | zylche | For some odd reason so does my phone though.. |
| 20:07:10 | idoomed | im not to goog with dos what dose this mean |
| 20:07:14 | idoomed | Press START on your taskbar, choose RUN and type in the box (minus quotes): "command" You should now be looking at a command prompt. If you don't know basic DOS commands, here is what you need to know: Use 'cd' to change dir (format: cd [dir]) IE: "cd .." to go UP one, "cd ROCKBOX" to enter a path "ROCKBOX" |
| 20:07:28 | idoomed | i got the command prompt up |
| 20:07:43 | phlasphy | zylche, do they ring when you are not on the phone? |
| 20:07:55 | zylche | no, my ears only ring when my phone starts rining |
| 20:07:58 | zylche | *ringing |
| 20:08:03 | zylche | it's really annoying and weird.. |
| 20:08:08 | phlasphy | is this a joke |
| 20:08:14 | zylche | Well, technicaly no.. |
| 20:08:20 | zylche | It's the truth.. |
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| 20:08:33 | Gnelik | :))) |
| 20:08:34 | phlasphy | well is it the phone going RING RING RING |
| 20:08:38 | idoomed | hey can some one help me plz |
| 20:08:43 | zylche | ..I never thought of that! |
| 20:08:48 | phlasphy | FFS |
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| 20:12:07 | Gnelik | linuxstb: Tell me please what i must do or give some example |
| 20:12:59 | idoomed | Use 'cd' to change dir (format: cd [dir]) IE: "cd .." to go UP one, "cd ROCKBOX" to enter a path "ROCKBOX" |
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| 20:13:33 | idoomed | i dont get this the dir is on mydesktop in a folder called video what do i type |
| 20:14:03 | idoomed | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial#How_To_Convert_AVI_to_RVF_Window |
| 20:14:46 | idoomed | nvm NOW it wants to work |
| 20:14:47 | phlasphy | zylche, i am sorry all i am hearing is ringing in my ears |
| 20:15:09 | zylche | what? |
| 20:15:26 | idoomed | um evry now and then it happens to me on a scale of 1-10 how loud is it |
| 20:15:43 | phlasphy | umm 10 being what |
| 20:16:19 | webguest95 | Gnelik: are you trying to write a gnuplot type app on rockbox? |
| 20:16:55 | phlasphy | idoomed, i cant really tell the volume it is just there? |
| 20:17:43 | Gnelik | webguest95: not so powerfull |
| 20:17:58 | preglow | not the worst idea ever |
| 20:18:09 | preglow | at least it'll be faster than my ti-89 :) |
| 20:18:30 | webguest95 | i'm certainly interested. Any way i can help? |
| 20:18:57 | Gnelik | webguest95: Wee need to begin at first :) |
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| 20:19:30 | webguest95 | right |
| 20:19:42 | idoomed | um try not to thik about it ya know do somting else that SOMETIMES helps me |
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| 20:20:18 | phlasphy | idoomed, :( hope it goes away |
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| 20:21:15 | idoomed | uh? my ears arnt riging right now |
| 20:21:31 | Gnelik | webguest95: The firs thing is to implent 2d plots. |
| 20:21:34 | phlasphy | i heard some peoples do it constantly |
| 20:21:45 | Gnelik | For this we need expression parser i think |
| 20:23:09 | preglow | my ears always ring |
| 20:23:12 | preglow | the little buggers |
| 20:23:44 | phlasphy | well it is not really my ears if i block my ears i still hear it at the same volume |
| 20:23:46 | phlasphy | :( |
| 20:24:04 | preglow | i think everyone has some degree of tinnitus |
| 20:24:29 | preglow | sure, you won't get rid of it |
| 20:24:33 | preglow | better just get used to it |
| 20:24:42 | rmrmg | hello, i have iriver H340 and rockbox 03.12.2006 and i found bug, after the last song in dir the player switch off instead of go to next dir |
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| 20:24:53 | phlasphy | i just noticed it :( |
| 20:25:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: you were gonna make pitch and time stretching independently controllable? I read it and wanted to ask but I've been busy busy. |
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| 20:25:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, there's no point in disallowing it. i don't think it'll be any harder than just allowing both at once |
| 20:26:03 | * | petur points jhMikeS to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6409 :) |
| 20:26:03 | rmrmg | this problem was also in rockbox 29.11.2006 but about 1 mounts ago everything was ok |
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| 20:28:14 | jhMikeS | petur: thanks :) |
| 20:28:34 | petur | you're welcome ;) |
| 20:29:01 | petur | got me scared for a moment but the file was ok (phew) |
| 20:29:08 | jhMikeS | petur: absolutely sure it's I04 (if you remember correctly :)? |
| 20:29:20 | petur | I think it was, yes |
| 20:29:31 | phlasphy | brb |
| 20:29:33 | petur | but not absolutely... |
| 20:30:42 | jhMikeS | obviously the problems very very late in the process :\ |
| 20:31:13 | petur | or related with me trying to stop/shutdown asap |
| 20:31:58 | petur | uh.. real life interrupt, back in 30mins (I hope) |
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| 20:32:12 | jhMikeS | it should be able to have the button pressed rapidly with no problem. were you using voice? I04 is IllInstr. |
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| 20:34:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: what sort of algorithm? I remeber something about it being time domain, not frequency. |
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| 20:37:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: it basically just slices audio into frames of n samples, then overlaps them at positions deemed the most suitable by an autocorrelation analysis |
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| 20:37:23 | preglow | the resamples to achieve the desired effect |
| 20:37:27 | preglow | s/the/then/ |
| 20:38:18 | preglow | google soundstretch |
| 20:38:23 | preglow | gpl lib we can base our code on |
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| 20:40:52 | idoomed | hey how do i make myown channel on irc |
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| 20:42:16 | preglow | idoomed: you join it |
| 20:43:12 | idoomed | thats it but dont i need to put a bot there so its always there |
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| 20:44:35 | preglow | dunno how it works on freenode, see what services chanserv has |
| 20:44:47 | preglow | /msg chanserv help |
| 20:44:48 | preglow | or something |
| 20:45:05 | preglow | freenode probably has some other help channel for this anyway, i suggest you find it |
| 20:45:43 | idoomed | is there a website i can go to that gives me all of this kind of info |
| 20:46:02 | preglow | google freenode |
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| 20:46:48 | idoomed | ok |
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| 20:48:37 | jhMikeS | The clips basically sound pretty good. The bad ones are tempo slowdowns (closet echo sound). |
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| 20:49:32 | preglow | can't be avoided with time-domain techniques |
| 20:49:38 | preglow | and even barely by freqdomain ones |
| 20:53:05 | petur | jhMikeS: voice not enabled but I do have a voice file present in the lang dir (so the buffer is reserved iirc) |
| 20:54:19 | jhMikeS | petur: that's enough to cause the codec to load and swap |
| 20:54:34 | petur | is it? |
| 20:54:58 | petur | All voice is disabled in settings |
| 20:55:22 | jhMikeS | yes...if the file's present then it makes provisions for the possibility of voice being turned on later |
| 20:55:39 | petur | right |
| 20:55:49 | * | petur moves voice file away |
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| 20:59:17 | * | jhMikeS wishes petur wrote down the exception details |
| 20:59:46 | petur | heh... in the middle of a concert doing stealth taping... sure |
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| 21:00:04 | preglow | we really should bundle the .map file with rockbox.zip |
| 21:01:10 | * | petur moves voice file back and tries to reproduce some more |
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| 21:05:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:05:04 | jhMikeS | someone else metioned a problem after very long recordings. the recording just does the same stuff over and over. I wonder if something's timing out and causing code to run that shouldn't be running at the time. |
| 21:06:17 | pondlife | Ethical question; if selling an AJBR on eBay, would it be reasonable to sell it with "runs Rockbox" a selling feature and supply it with Rockbox still installed? |
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| 21:06:43 | preglow | can't see why not |
| 21:06:58 | pondlife | I will, of course link to rockbox.org on the listing... |
| 21:06:58 | petur | interesting development here, jhMikeS... it froze now |
| 21:07:27 | jhMikeS | petur: with the voice file? |
| 21:07:35 | idoomed | what kind of file dose the mpeg player play on the nano cause i cant get it to work |
| 21:08:05 | petur | yes... have it record quite a bit (2 mins or 21MB here), then long press stop (shutdown), release and press stop (once or more, must still check) |
| 21:09:10 | petur | and settings not getting saved is a pita |
| 21:09:19 | idoomed | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial#How_To_Convert_AVI_to_RVF_Window |
| 21:09:39 | idoomed | i tried this but it didne work ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 21:11:08 | jhMikeS | petur: was the file ok after that? |
| 21:11:16 | petur | must check |
| 21:11:28 | petur | long stop + short stop worked ok |
| 21:11:56 | petur | yup, file was OK |
| 21:13:34 | petur | settings aren't saved when shutting down from inside the menu. has this really always been like that (like amiconn said). it's crap |
| 21:14:11 | n1s | idoomed, that page clearly states that it is only for the old archos players, look at the page here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer and there's no sound for video. |
| 21:14:43 | petur | jhMikeS: BINGO |
| 21:14:50 | jhMikeS | I just did long stop and it shut down while recording. I guess there's no query if it's ok to shut down :\ |
| 21:15:01 | petur | I0E:FormErr at 10001A4A |
| 21:15:14 | jhMikeS | that's the same as the last? |
| 21:15:26 | petur | just holding stop during recording |
| 21:15:41 | petur | it's not what I had last night |
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| 21:23:07 | heyJulius | is there a way to see if a daily build has certain patches applied, whitout reading every changelog? |
| 21:23:22 | petur | sure |
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| 21:23:31 | petur | check the patch |
| 21:23:38 | petur | if it's closed and what date |
| 21:23:42 | heyJulius | ok |
| 21:23:52 | jhMikeS | hmmm... what's in the 1000000 addresses again? |
| 21:24:12 | petur | looky look at mappy map? |
| 21:24:38 | jhMikeS | trying to find it...can look in the lds file |
| 21:25:04 | petur | ./build/apps/rockbox.map |
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| 21:25:41 | petur | iram/icode |
| 21:26:04 | petur | and the lot |
| 21:26:38 | petur | the address I gave seems to relate to DMA1 |
| 21:26:39 | jhMikeS | thought so, wanted to be sure |
| 21:26:54 | petur | 0x100019c4 DMA1 |
| 21:26:58 | jhMikeS | That exception has to do with the rte instruction |
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| 21:31:13 | jhMikeS | yeah, it's the last instruction in DMA1, the rte it appears |
| 21:31:51 | petur | should be the last, because 10001A4C is another block ;) |
| 21:31:53 | jhMikeS | DMA1 is 136 bytes and it's at offset 134 |
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| 21:32:30 | idoomed | yawn hello again i had to reboot my pc |
| 21:32:54 | jhMikeS | my map is different, it's not the last in the last h300 build I made |
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| 21:33:48 | jhMikeS | something I still don't know but should: what stack is used for an IRQ handler and where is it? |
| 21:34:07 | idoomed | ok how do i make a movie 4 my nano i alredy have seen this site i just need to convert some rvb to what ever format i need |
| 21:34:43 | idoomed | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 21:36:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't know about Coldfire, but on ARM, interrupt context has its own stack - initialised in crt0.S. |
| 21:40:37 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I had a problem with freezing on the H120 that moving the DMA1 callback pointer out of IRAM fixed (never found out why) but it seems something else is being trashed now that it's not there. |
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| 21:43:09 | * | jhMikeS hopes iAudio is speedy with the repairs. Have to get the unit out Monday. It's just under the warranty of 1yr (purchased Dec. 21, 2005 !!) |
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| 21:53:18 | jhMikeS | petur: can you send me the map of your build? might tell me something maybe. |
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| 21:59:58 | petur | petur/rockbox.map">http://users.telenet.be/petur/rockbox.map I'm not 100% sure it's the same but it should ;) |
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| 22:02:11 | preglow | which is why rockbox.zip should be made to include the .map file! |
| 22:03:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: good idea |
| 22:04:40 | preglow | would pretty much help a ton for all bug reports which includes a crash address |
| 22:04:46 | petur | yes... good idea... it could be zipped inside the rockbox dir to reduce size... |
| 22:04:56 | preglow | probably |
| 22:05:02 | preglow | perhaps we should zip all map files, also the plugin ones :> |
| 22:05:07 | petur | 162 -> 25 KB |
| 22:05:07 | preglow | and codec ones |
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| 22:09:09 | jhMikeS | it would seem that the only thing that should get in and trash a level7 interrupt handler's stack should be the handler itself |
| 22:11:14 | jhMikeS | if something used by it isn't being corrupted elsewhere... :\ |
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| 22:15:19 | webguest67 | hey do any of yall know what i need to do to install international firmware on my american H340 |
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| 22:16:19 | preglow | webguest67: a set of hands and some will to do so |
| 22:16:38 | preglow | afaik, there's no checks for firmware region |
| 22:16:42 | webguest67 | it doesnt seem to recognize it in the root directory when i tell it to upgrade firmware |
| 22:16:59 | petur | it could be case sensitive |
| 22:17:02 | preglow | i've had that problem on my h120, and i don't know what causes it |
| 22:17:19 | linuxstb | FAT short/long names? |
| 22:18:45 | webguest67 | i put the int'l firmware in the root directory, go to "firmware upgrade", but when i click yes nothing happens, it just returns to the menu |
| 22:19:15 | webguest67 | hmm..interesting idea, i'll try changing that |
| 22:19:55 | idoomed | hey can i just use the rockbox.ipod file in the daily builds or do i need to re download the .rockbox file to |
| 22:21:22 | linuxstb | idoomed: You need both. |
| 22:21:33 | idoomed | oh ok thanx |
| 22:21:39 | idoomed | ehy |
| 22:21:44 | idoomed | i mean why |
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| 22:22:12 | linuxstb | .rockbox contains all the plugins and codecs, which can change as well. |
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| 22:22:42 | idoomed | oh and where are the doom saves kept so i can keep them to |
| 22:23:36 | idoomed | oh and is this illegal because i use this site a bunch http://www.dll-files.com/ |
| 22:23:37 | linuxstb | You don't need to delete your old .rockbox folder - just unzip the new version over the top. |
| 22:23:48 | idoomed | o kool |
| 22:26:25 | idoomed | and when i install a new daily build i still keep my themes and settings right |
| 22:27:14 | scorche | themes, yes...settings may have to be reset from time to time with certain changes |
| 22:27:58 | idoomed | o thats fine |
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| 22:29:30 | webguest67 | hey, figured it out...i needed to format with the player interface, i had formatted it from windows (oops) and apparently it wasn't reading the root directory right |
| 22:29:36 | idoomed | vlc <input> −−sout=#transcode (this is on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer) where it says input what dose that mean (windows verson) and dose the file im converting have to be in that directory |
| 22:30:26 | preglow | linuxstb: any reason why the mpegplayer patch that allows multiplexed streams to be played isn't commited? |
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| 22:33:40 | atmos1 | hi allç |
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| 22:35:01 | idoomed | back in a min |
| 22:35:17 | jhMikeS | petur: one thing I want to know is, you've haven't encountered any data loss like before since the BRP? I'm guessing you'd report that promptly :) |
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| 22:35:48 | petur | I'll know it when I listen to it tomorrow ;) |
| 22:35:56 | petur | bbl |
| 22:36:14 | linuxstb | preglow: Have we even decided that MPEG program streams will be the best choice of container format? |
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| 22:38:12 | idoomed | kool i now have the latest build on my nano |
| 22:38:27 | preglow | linuxstb: right, i didn't know we'd always go for transcoding |
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| 22:39:57 | preglow | does the matter of container format even matter that much? do we want anything else than video and audio? if not, then using whatever is standard sounds wise |
| 22:42:01 | idoomed | hey i need help encoding a movie (mpeg or mpg) |
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| 22:42:13 | jhMikeS | We're starting an official add of video now? |
| 22:42:20 | idoomed | Using VLC to encode on Windows |
| 22:42:20 | idoomed | Open a command line prompt and go to the VLC installation directory (default is C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\ ). Run the following command line: |
| 22:42:20 | idoomed | vlc <input> −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=<the width>,height=<the height>}:es{access-video=file,mux-video=es,dst-video=<filename>.m2v} |
| 22:42:34 | idoomed | ok i need help with this |
| 22:43:03 | idoomed | its for a nano w 176 h 132 |
| 22:43:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: not exactly, just me throwing questions around |
| 22:43:22 | idoomed | do i put the file in that dir first |
| 22:43:41 | linuxstb | preglow: There's issues such as ease of seeking and how the frames are packed. e.g. it would be desirable if the container format provided whole video/audio frames which could possibly mean we can avoid using memcpy. |
| 22:44:18 | preglow | linuxstb: you know of any containers that do that? |
| 22:44:19 | idoomed | do i put the video in C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC first |
| 22:44:20 | jhMikeS | I had some thoughts that the audio playback engine could do video codecs without much trouble |
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| 22:44:57 | linuxstb | preglow: No, but I would like to investigate the options. |
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| 22:45:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I agree - eventually we should integrate video playback into the main playback engine. |
| 22:46:01 | idoomed | hellllllllo |
| 22:46:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: ISRs use whatever stack was active at the time |
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| 22:47:06 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: they really don't have to do anything different exept have a place to render the video part :\ |
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| 22:47:32 | amiconn | preglow: Including the .map in the distribution isn probably not a good idea |
| 22:47:36 | linuxstb | They probably won't fit in the existing 512KB of codec buffer though - especially with the temporary buffers they need for decoding. |
| 22:47:36 | preglow | amiconn: how come? |
| 22:47:58 | amiconn | If we do, we would in fact have to include all .map files (core, codecs, and plugins) |
| 22:48:17 | amiconn | But Bagder added code to the build scripts for collecting the .map files |
| 22:48:20 | petur | amiconn: maybe in another type of build for testers/devs? |
| 22:48:21 | idoomed | hellllllllllllo any can you help me |
| 22:48:23 | preglow | amiconn: i don't see anything wrong with that, but why would we have to do that? |
| 22:48:37 | amiconn | There should be a place where we devs can pick up the matching .map files |
| 22:48:45 | preglow | idoomed: don't you think someone would have helped you if they felt like it? |
| 22:48:53 | amiconn | preglow: .zip size.... |
| 22:49:05 | preglow | amiconn: the main map itself would add around 30kb |
| 22:49:08 | preglow | amiconn: not a big deal |
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| 22:49:53 | preglow | amiconn: the most important map files to include would be main rockbox and codecs |
| 22:51:05 | amiconn | Not a big deal for people with broadband connections, but quite a deal if you're limited to modem / isdn / gprs |
| 22:51:11 | preglow | amiconn: i don't care if the map files are bundled or whatever, as long as we can get them from some place |
| 22:51:24 | amiconn | And the user doesn't need the .map files anyway, the developers do |
| 22:51:47 | preglow | they don't need them no, but i'm sure they'll appreciate having the info available to help fix a bug |
| 22:52:03 | preglow | but like i said, i don't care if they're bundled, as long as i can get my hands on a correct map |
| 22:52:04 | amiconn | As long as the version string within rockbox is correct, it should be simple to pick up the correct .map files from elsewhere |
| 22:52:07 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: still seems a pretty straightforward path for the most part. audio can still go through the way it does now. |
| 22:53:13 | * | amiconn is about to commit the target tree completion for the ata driver |
| 22:53:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure I agree with you. But developing mpegplayer to a working state seems to be the first step towards that. |
| 22:53:29 | amiconn | More than 700 lines extracted from ata.c and put in separate files :) |
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| 22:54:06 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: that's definitely a good starting point :) |
| 22:54:07 | amiconn | Maybe I have to replace one of the new asm sources again in a few days |
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| 22:56:13 | amiconn | Slasheri: You introduced a pretty obvious overflow bug in fat_size() |
| 22:56:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm wondering how anything could trash the DMA1 stack except the handler itself...either directly or by it using data corrupted at another time and place. |
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| 22:56:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: COuld be almost anything... |
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| 22:58:33 | jhMikeS | is there anything else that can execute when in the handler besides the handler (since it's level 7). |
| 22:59:06 | amiconn | No, but what if memory is already trashed before? |
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| 23:01:26 | jhMikeS | that's the other possibility I meant and that means DMA1 would have to have trashed data that causes it's execution to be faulty? |
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| 23:05:05 | Soap | so what was your question, idoomed? |
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| 23:05:44 | Soap | replace <input> with the name (or full path) of the input file. |
| 23:06:11 | Soap | replace <the width> with the width of your screen |
| 23:06:23 | Soap | replace <the height> with the height of your screen |
| 23:06:43 | idoomed | filename? |
| 23:06:48 | Soap | replace <filename> with the name you wish to call your output file |
| 23:07:01 | markun | amiconn, preglow, petur: do we have a wiki page describing the coding style for rockbox? I'm searching but can't find it. |
| 23:07:25 | idoomed | ok thanks dose this work with a mpg file |
| 23:07:27 | petur | the contributing page |
| 23:07:41 | preglow | markun: what there is is in docs/CONTRIBUTING too |
| 23:08:06 | preglow | very little (too little for my taste) is specified |
| 23:08:17 | Soap | idoomed: I assume VLC can take MPEG1 or 2 video as input. |
| 23:08:28 | preglow | i can take almost everything |
| 23:08:30 | preglow | it too |
| 23:08:50 | petur | is rockbox.org slow or should I give my ISP a bad look? |
| 23:09:00 | Soap | the forums are very slow right now. |
| 23:09:16 | markun | preglow: ok, gotthardt in #gigabeat was asking about doxygen comments |
| 23:09:17 | petur | markun: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html |
| 23:09:41 | preglow | markun: nothing says you can't use those, and i myself would like to see people use them more |
| 23:10:03 | preglow | if only because i really miss that kind of documentation in rockbox |
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| 23:13:51 | idoomed | hey i noticed in the rock doom plugin theres an addon folder whats that for |
| 23:14:14 | idoomed | i mean what can i put there cheats,mods,etc |
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| 23:17:07 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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| 23:18:56 | idoomed | oh ya i forgot to check there thanks |
| 23:20:36 | idoomed | ok the wad i got in here goes in addons right http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=11 |
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| 23:35:23 | amiconn | Slasheri!! |
| 23:35:32 | preglow | is not here |
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| 23:36:33 | * | jhMikeS notices amiconn says that alot :) |
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| 23:36:56 | amiconn | hrmh |
| 23:37:13 | * | linuxstb notices amiconn says that a lot as well |
| 23:37:20 | zylche | hrmh |
| 23:37:26 | zylche | is not here |
| 23:37:33 | * | Bagder notices people saying hrmh |
| 23:37:37 | zylche | hrmh |
| 23:37:39 | zylche | you do? |
| 23:37:40 | zylche | hrmh |
| 23:37:57 | * | petur thinks amiconn found a bug |
| 23:38:16 | amiconn | Even in spite of the danger of someone pointing out that I say another thing often: I wonder whether people _test_ their changes before commit |
| 23:38:53 | amiconn | I usually do. The fat.c changes don't look like they're thoroughly tested |
| 23:39:14 | n1s | Isn't that what "users" are for? :-D |
| 23:39:31 | amiconn | Hrrm :( |
| 23:39:43 | * | petur slaps n1s around with a fat bug |
| 23:40:16 | * | n1s hides |
| 23:41:09 | * | zylche gives nls a blanket of hiding |
| 23:42:03 | amiconn | FAT bugs can be nasty. |
| 23:42:17 | * | amiconn wonders whether n1s would like a silently corrupted filesystem |
| 23:42:38 | n1s | of course! |
| 23:42:40 | preglow | at least he pointed out they're possible in his commit message |
| 23:42:40 | preglow | heh |
| 23:42:54 | linuxstb | preglow: That's not his best defence... |
| 23:43:11 | n1s | anyway, gnight. |
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| 23:43:17 | amiconn | preglow: The bad thing is that there are suspicious things in it which are built for _all_ ata targets |
| 23:43:19 | petur | critical code should be tested and reviewed before commit |
| 23:43:21 | amiconn | Not just G5.5 |
| 23:43:23 | preglow | amiconn: how likely is a corrupted filesystem hapenning? |
| 23:43:25 | * | zylche fails to mention the blanket also fails to hide people, more knock them out... |
| 23:43:37 | petur | same goes for the settings rework |
| 23:44:15 | amiconn | preglow: The 2 things I fixed locally are not of the corruption type, but the simple fact of pretty obvious bugs being present makes the changes suspect |
| 23:44:48 | amiconn | Hah, and Slasheri broke rombox for the Ondio |
| 23:45:14 | * | amiconn thinks of fulfilling his promise :grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr: |
| 23:45:26 | preglow | if you feel this strongly about, then revert it |
| 23:45:33 | preglow | sitting here yelling for slasheri will do no good |
| 23:46:02 | zylche | DAMN YOU SLASHERI! YOU STOLE MY PICNIC BASKET! |
| 23:46:34 | preglow | it is nearly twelve and at least some chance he'll be sleeping, so you might be sitting here yelling for a long time |
| 23:46:39 | * | petur is happy he didn't break rombox :) |
| 23:46:55 | petur | beware of the wrath of amiconn |
| 23:47:29 | zylche | DAMN YOU SLASERI! YOU MADE ME YELL ALL NIGHT! |
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| 23:47:44 | petur | please stop the yelling |
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| 23:48:10 | amiconn | I also wonder why file.c needs to be changed at all. It should be able to work on 512 byte sectors the same way as before |
| 23:48:52 | amiconn | It worked on sectors before, and the unit of calculation on a fat file system has always been clusters, which are most of the time larger than one sector |
| 23:49:20 | jhMikeS | can rombox take an enhancement of the philips tuner tuning/searching? it's very solid in that regard but adds a little size. |
| 23:49:40 | * | preglow thinks we should stop worrying about rombox when coding rockbox... |
| 23:50:28 | preglow | the poor little thing needs a fork |
| 23:50:34 | * | pixelma thinks that rombox could be a good reminder to keep code efficiant and clean.... |
| 23:50:39 | * | jhMikeS feels obligated to ask since some really like it |
| 23:50:40 | amiconn | The code, as-is, looks like it might break very easily on G5.5. Putting multiple 2K sector buffers on the stack cannot be good |
| 23:51:03 | preglow | pixelma: a reminde which obviously doesn't work |
| 23:51:06 | amiconn | preglow: That sounds like a very bad suggestion |
| 23:51:17 | preglow | amiconn: depends on your viewpoint ;) |
| 23:51:32 | amiconn | The archos isn't even the target with the tightest memory requirements |
| 23:51:42 | amiconn | Think about the iFP |
| 23:51:48 | amiconn | 1MB, and SWCODEC |
| 23:52:35 | preglow | haha |
| 23:52:39 | preglow | like i said, depends on your viewpoint |
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| 23:52:56 | amiconn | I can't see the funniness in that, sorry |
| 23:53:52 | preglow | then you take this way too seriously |
| 23:54:02 | preglow | anywho, this is about my bedtime |
| 23:54:03 | * | petur agrees with the clean/efficient viewpoint |
| 23:54:05 | amiconn | Rockbox is multi-platform |
| 23:54:07 | preglow | see you all later |
| 23:54:19 | amiconn | ..and one of the main principles is KISS |
| 23:54:23 | * | petur also agrees with it being bedtime |
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| 23:54:41 | amiconn | It seems to me that this principle is more and more neglected |
| 23:58:14 | jhMikeS | ondio fm doesn't have rombox, right? e200? h10? <= the only TEA5767 ports I'm not sure of where size is concerned (~200). |
| 23:58:38 | amiconn | Ondio FM did have rombox until today :( |
| 23:58:39 | pixelma | jhMikeS: it had till today... |
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