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| 00:00:20 | habana | My_Sic: un sansa pas encore supporté complètement (work in progress) |
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| 00:00:30 | dan_a | habana: No. You can only put MI4 files on in recovery mode. |
| 00:00:53 | My_Sic | sansa ? je connai pas |
| 00:00:54 | habana | dan_a:k .so wait a bit |
| 00:01:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | My_Sic: 3.0 is a long way off, just use a daily build or cvs build. |
| 00:01:38 | My_Sic | ... or my own build ... :-) |
| 00:02:21 | habana | My_Sic: très joli , bon hardware, assez de place pour moi (6go) et surtout pas un ipod |
| 00:02:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | I mean, when 3.0 does happen, it's pretty much going to be identical to the daily build of the day before it, anyway |
| 00:02:43 | habana | My_Sic: http://dormrf.free.fr/blog/index.php/2006/11/06/172-firmware-libre-rockbox-pour-mon-sansa-e270-mp3-player-6gb#co |
| 00:03:20 | My_Sic | it's just because, each time i update rockbox from cvs, and compile my own rockbox, i have to fix some bugs with my patch, and it's borring. Many of this patch will be in the next release so i'm waiting for it's |
| 00:03:32 | My_Sic | lol |
| 00:03:36 | My_Sic | moi aussi je déteste l'ipod |
| 00:03:39 | My_Sic | mais bon j'avai un bon plan |
| 00:03:44 | My_Sic | alors j'ai aps trop eu le choix |
| 00:04:38 | habana | dan_a: too dumb, i had forgoten to put the decrypted OF ... |
| 00:04:48 | My_Sic | 6go moi je pourrai pas, déjà que 60go je peu pas y contenir toute ma musique ... |
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| 00:05:36 | dan_a | habana: As long as it's working :D |
| 00:05:54 | habana | dan_a: dunno yet.indexing |
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| 00:06:21 | habana | My_Sic: moi non plus mais j'écoute par tranches de 6 go ;) |
| 00:06:35 | preglow | and suddenly they switched to speaking english |
| 00:06:39 | preglow | remarkable, they said |
| 00:06:39 | My_Sic | moi je suis souvent en déplacement alors j'aime bien avoir tout sur moi. |
| 00:06:50 | My_Sic | alors ça en ai où pour le rockbox sur sansa? |
| 00:06:54 | preglow | that was a hint |
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| 00:08:01 | habana | My_Sic: ca boot sur l'un ou l'autre , il parait que ca buggue encore bien et la puce DSP n'est pas utilisable en l'état. |
| 00:08:06 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 00:08:12 | * | Bagder offers another "hint" |
| 00:08:23 | My_Sic | tu t'en occupe ou tu suis juste l'avancement ? |
| 00:08:27 | Bagder | guys |
| 00:08:29 | preglow | boys, english |
| 00:08:30 | Bagder | english in here |
| 00:09:04 | habana | My_Sic: ce qui m'avait plu, c'est que SanDisk avait contacté les dev pour un portage. ais ils n'ont pas aidé du tout :( |
| 00:09:16 | preglow | you're free to speak french, piglatin and catonese in private |
| 00:09:16 | habana | preglow:sorry |
| 00:09:19 | preglow | this is a logged channel |
| 00:09:33 | My_Sic | ok |
| 00:09:34 | My_Sic | sorry |
| 00:10:42 | PaulPosition | Hey.. Hello there Barrywardell. I could report that my H10 has happily dualbooted a few times. −− I've been having some problems with 'crossfeed' that freeze my player dead with an data abort but that might have to do with the many patches I put in.. |
| 00:10:54 | preglow | barrywardell: i can also report my total lack of progress |
| 00:10:57 | PaulPosition | Barrywardell - Oh, and thanks. |
| 00:11:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 00:11:09 | barrywardell | :) and :( |
| 00:11:31 | preglow | at this point i think i've uncommented every part of the code |
| 00:11:37 | preglow | so i must be doing something really, really stupid |
| 00:11:41 | preglow | wouldn't be the first time |
| 00:11:47 | barrywardell | preglow: i have a lend of an ipod color now, so i'm gonna test on that |
| 00:11:52 | preglow | barrywardell: cool |
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| 00:12:30 | habana | barrywardell: |
| 00:12:37 | ender` | anybody interested in an .ogg file that seems to lock up rockbox? |
| 00:12:45 | habana | boots on sansa |
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| 00:13:09 | habana | for the moment, got a -4 error (missed a file) |
| 00:13:39 | habana | dan_a: free mem 3656 |
| 00:13:48 | habana | MB |
| 00:14:35 | barrywardell | error -4 is a weird one. |
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| 00:14:51 | dan_a | Does Rockbox boot correctly? |
| 00:15:47 | habana | nnnnnnnn yes |
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| 00:18:28 | habana | but top and down button dont work correctly with Rockbox.they only can go on first and last file/dir in a directory or a menu.Unless only wheel will do that ? |
| 00:18:57 | barrywardell | the current keymap has only the wheel doing that |
| 00:19:18 | habana | so logicla |
| 00:19:24 | habana | logical |
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| 00:29:06 | habana | So i suppose i'll only need to update .rockbox to have latest build ? it would be much faster to test |
| 00:29:33 | dan_a | .rockbox and rockbox.e200 |
| 00:29:33 | barrywardell | .rockbox and rockbox.e200 |
| 00:29:40 | barrywardell | beat me to it :) |
| 00:30:23 | habana | GREAT ! |
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| 00:31:38 | habana | because i must admit that i had to reformat Bagder a few times . the file system didnt enjoy that much forced reboots |
| 00:31:51 | habana | errr lol |
| 00:33:02 | habana | not Bagder, Sansa |
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| 00:35:59 | dan_a | What do I need to do to enable the settings to be cleared when the hold switch is on? |
| 00:38:51 | habana | press rec ? |
| 00:39:27 | dan_a | No, it will be something in the code, but I can't find it |
| 00:39:41 | habana | sry |
| 00:42:18 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: It's in apps/main.c. |
| 00:42:36 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Thanks |
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| 00:47:07 | habana | I dont find the gui boot from Gnelik. Any pastebin or code to offer ? |
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| 00:54:25 | preglow | any swedes around that can tell me what "luddig" means? :> |
| 00:55:27 | pixelma | no swede here, but: http://lexikon.nada.kth.se/cgi-bin/swe-eng |
| 00:55:28 | dan_a | OK, so the button for resetting settings at bootup is SETTINGS_RESET, but there doesn't seem to be any consistency as to where this is set. Does anybody have any objections if I clean this up a bit? |
| 00:56:03 | preglow | pixelma: hah, thanks |
| 00:56:36 | preglow | swedish is the funniest sounding language in existence |
| 00:56:59 | dan_a | habana: There is a pastebin - have a look at the logs from around 24th November |
| 00:57:52 | barrywardell | dan_a: i think it would be good to clean it up a bit. |
| 00:59:07 | habana | dan_a:thanks |
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| 01:00:47 | dan_a | barrywardell: Yes. I think I'll look at that tomorrow. Now I'm off to bed, though. |
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| 01:14:13 | habana | partial http://pastebin.ca/258405 |
| 01:16:57 | barrywardell | the new crt0-pp.S doesn't work on the color ipod either :( |
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| 01:32:10 | JdGordon | barrywardell: if i remember, ill test the crt0 on my sisters nano tonight if no one else has tested the nano yet |
| 01:32:50 | barrywardell | i think preglow tested on his nano with the same result - no success |
| 01:33:07 | JdGordon | ok |
| 01:34:06 | barrywardell | feel free to try figure out why it's not working though ;) |
| 01:37:23 | zylche | It may have something to do with the flux capacitor being misaligned. |
| 01:38:09 | JdGordon | if I had any knowledge of arm assembly I would help out.. |
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| 01:46:10 | fasmaie | Hello |
| 01:46:38 | fasmaie | Has anyone got track rating to work on 4g iPod? |
| 01:46:38 | dantheman | hi |
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| 09:56:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: probably found the problem now.. |
| 09:56:46 | Slasheri | LinusN: i will create a new patch for you, the previous was buggy |
| 09:58:58 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep.. coldfire_set_pllcr_audio_bits needs to be called before setting the cpu frequency |
| 09:59:31 | Slasheri | that sets the CRSEL register correctly |
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| 10:00:26 | Slasheri | and probably without setting those bits, the input frequency divider is not set |
| 10:01:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: same problem also happens when loading from disk and setting cpu frequency to FREQ_MAX, it crashes immediately |
| 10:01:39 | Slasheri | unless audiobits are set first |
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| 10:04:59 | Slasheri | amiconn: and crt0 always clears the PLLCR |
| 10:05:04 | Slasheri | that would certainly explain it |
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| 10:06:10 | Slasheri | hi pondlife :) hopefully you don't mind i removed the boost tracking code |
| 10:06:18 | pondlife | Quite the opposite! |
| 10:06:23 | pondlife | You saved me doing it |
| 10:06:29 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 10:06:37 | Slasheri | i will implement soon a more robust version of it |
| 10:06:42 | Slasheri | and a lot simpler :) |
| 10:06:44 | pondlife | There's a much better one in Flyspray |
| 10:06:50 | Slasheri | oh |
| 10:06:58 | Slasheri | give me a link :) |
| 10:07:02 | pondlife | Not simpler... but better |
| 10:07:10 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6200 |
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| 10:07:16 | pondlife | Probably doesn't apply cleanly |
| 10:07:44 | pondlife | Even more overkill too!! |
| 10:07:58 | Slasheri | :D lets see ;) |
| 10:08:16 | pondlife | Uses __FILE__ and __FUNCTION__ instead of IDs |
| 10:08:18 | Slasheri | what about just a simple feature that uses logf? |
| 10:08:25 | Slasheri | would not need to maintain buffers |
| 10:08:26 | pondlife | No |
| 10:08:38 | pondlife | I want to watch it in real time, on target |
| 10:09:15 | Slasheri | ah, but that's better still.. at least cpu_boost syntax is not changed |
| 10:09:36 | pondlife | I don't know if it will help much now that most boosting is automatic. |
| 10:10:33 | pondlife | For me the main use of any boost tracking would be for any user who spots an unexpected boost to be able to say "ah, that'll be dircache", or whatever. |
| 10:10:45 | pondlife | i.e. To distinguish bugs from non-bugs |
| 10:10:57 | pondlife | If it doesn't do that, there's little point. |
| 10:11:04 | Slasheri | hmm, true |
| 10:11:13 | pondlife | Ideally it should be tiny and included in all builds, not just logf |
| 10:11:19 | Slasheri | btw, with scheduler maintained boosts that would be even simpler! |
| 10:11:35 | Slasheri | you just go through all task states and find out which tasks are boosted |
| 10:11:48 | pondlife | I really need to get up to speed with Rockbox again. We may already store this info.... |
| 10:11:54 | Slasheri | and you even get the tasks name from the thread name.. |
| 10:12:01 | Slasheri | you add boost status to the os stack view |
| 10:12:07 | Slasheri | *could add |
| 10:12:13 | pondlife | That's a better idea |
| 10:12:49 | pondlife | II'm about 2 months out of date on everything but basic testing at the moment :( |
| 10:13:14 | markun | Slasheri: are there any drawbacks with boosting in the scheduler? |
| 10:14:04 | pondlife | We still need manual boosting (for buffering, I would think, at least). |
| 10:14:09 | Slasheri | markun: current implementation has just one possible drawback, boost state is also maintained over blocked calls, such as queue_wait or semaphore locks |
| 10:14:38 | Slasheri | you need to put the thread to sleep to do the unboosting on the thread level |
| 10:14:40 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: I got the audio bits setting in the wrong order I see. What changed that caused problems or was it always a problem for anything but x5? |
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| 10:15:25 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: there was always that issue but it was not visible until now |
| 10:15:45 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: flash was slower and 1 wait state with wrong cpu speed was not enough |
| 10:16:03 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: so that issue needs to be fixed on iaudio too |
| 10:16:09 | jhMikeS | I guess for x5 the bootloader isn't the first code to set up the chip and I never put in a different bootloader on the H120 |
| 10:16:37 | Slasheri | or modify the set_audiobits code so that it won't touch the CRSEL register |
| 10:16:52 | Slasheri | and set CRSEL in set_cpu_frequency |
| 10:18:00 | Slasheri | hmm.. maybe i will change that, because CRSEL shouldn't be audio related or is it? |
| 10:18:41 | jhMikeS | hold on...it might be needed for samplerate switching. can't remember |
| 10:18:59 | jhMikeS | which bits are CRSEL? |
| 10:19:03 | Slasheri | ah, well changing the function call order is just enough |
| 10:19:04 | Slasheri | bit 23 |
| 10:21:48 | jhMikeS | hmmm... I'm always setting bits 22 and 23 to the same value. samplerate don't depend on it it turns out |
| 10:22:55 | jhMikeS | Only need to change CLSEL (28-30) |
| 10:24:07 | jhMikeS | just mask out the ability to change of bits 22 and 23 in that function |
| 10:25:14 | amiconn | Slasheri: That's not entirely true. set_cpu_frequency() used to set the whole PLLCR register until jhMikeS changed that |
| 10:26:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Setting samplrates evolved to not require any change to CRSEL and AUDIOSEL. They're always set the same no matter what. |
| 10:27:56 | * | jhMikeS will take all the blame :) |
| 10:28:30 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah |
| 10:28:46 | jhMikeS | anyway, those can just be set in set_cpu_frequency and all will be fine |
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| 10:30:11 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: i will just mask out bit 23 then |
| 10:30:13 | habana | hi |
| 10:31:14 | habana | i wondered if its possible to change keymaps on the fly and reboot on rockbox with changes applied |
| 10:31:44 | jhMikeS | slasheri: go ahead and do both. samplerates don't require it, only CLSEL bits need to be preserved/changed |
| 10:32:07 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: but bit 22 is audio bit.. |
| 10:32:19 | Slasheri | that might be better to set that other place |
| 10:32:20 | markun | amiconn, linuxstb_: is it ok if I commit my audio driver unification changes in a few steps while I am working on it? |
| 10:32:37 | jhMikeS | as long as it doesn't cause problems for set_cpu_frequency, then I guess it doesn't matter |
| 10:35:05 | jhMikeS | The diagram of CRSEL on page 4-1 isn't entirely clear what it does if it's supposed to be the input to the PLL. :\ |
| 10:38:18 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: note 3. Fin is input frequency to PLL. |
| 10:40:49 | linuxstb_ | markun: Sounds sensible to me. |
| 10:41:57 | markun | linuxstb_: the first commit will only be function renaming |
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| 10:44:50 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: guess I got my head goofed after all the contradictions in that section :P |
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| 10:45:17 | Slasheri | hehe :) but that is almost fixed now |
| 10:45:28 | JdGordon | is there somethin ron with the wiki? |
| 10:45:39 | JdGordon | s/ron/wrong |
| 10:45:50 | JdGordon | the wiki link just stays on the rb frontpage |
| 10:45:52 | amiconn | markun: Doing it in steps is perfectly ok, as long as that doesn't break something |
| 10:46:01 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: LinusN even sent in a support request for what the correct CLSEL chart was :) |
| 10:46:16 | LinusN | and i got an answer too |
| 10:46:33 | Slasheri | :) |
| 10:46:48 | jhMikeS | LinusN: yeah, ColdFire Init |
| 10:46:50 | amiconn | Btw, my first boot of an ata-dma-enabled rockbox didn't work too well :/ |
| 10:47:02 | amiconn | "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it." |
| 10:49:39 | LinusN | jhMikeS: well, they said "The table shown in page 4-3 is the correct one, I suggest you to use the ColdFire init configuration tool for creating the system set-up and initialization." |
| 10:51:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: Which platform? |
| 10:51:29 | jhMikeS | lol...I'll never forget. That all reads to me like "Hey dumbass, just use _our_ program and leave the hard stuff to us." :) |
| 10:53:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: H1x0 |
| 10:55:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: 16 samples latency with dma?? |
| 10:56:34 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 10:56:52 | jhMikeS | 6+6+4 |
| 10:57:03 | amiconn | I'd expect a latency of dma_block_size plus something |
| 10:57:29 | Slasheri | now those bits should be fixed.. testing and committing |
| 10:57:37 | jhMikeS | two 6-sample fifos plus tranferring one sample per interrupt with some slack |
| 10:57:57 | jhMikeS | it played just fine |
| 10:59:14 | jhMikeS | not really something I'd do in practice though :) |
| 10:59:48 | amiconn | The interrupt is just fired at the end of a dma blkc, not every sample afaik |
| 10:59:55 | Slasheri | LinusN: now rombox works great :) |
| 10:59:56 | amiconn | *dma block |
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| 11:00:34 | jhMikeS | I set the transfer size to 4 |
| 11:01:02 | amiconn | ugh |
| 11:01:06 | jhMikeS | It's auto aligned and it took it quite well |
| 11:01:18 | amiconn | Then you're flooded with interrupts... |
| 11:01:37 | jhMikeS | Just for testing. It still uses line transfers with AA enabled |
| 11:03:25 | amiconn | A transfer size of 4 won't use line transfer |
| 11:03:39 | jhMikeS | I made the routine only process one sample per interrupt (no looping in it) but the tranfer size was still 16 with AA |
| 11:03:51 | amiconn | DMA AA handles this, and uses one long transfer if it's aligned properly |
| 11:04:14 | jhMikeS | Of course not, in practice I would never do that but you can cut it that close. |
| 11:05:09 | jhMikeS | When testing the plugin in a real context I used 16 sample blocks line aligned |
| 11:05:15 | jhMikeS | or 4 rather |
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| 11:06:13 | jhMikeS | recording still uses line-aligned 8192 byte chunks |
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| 11:11:59 | jhMikeS | having recording at level 6 will allow playback at level 7 to interrupt and grab data right? |
| 11:13:32 | Slasheri | LinusN: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/rombox_iriver_4.patch and http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader7-pre2.iriver |
| 11:13:40 | Slasheri | please try with those, should work better now :) |
| 11:13:59 | Slasheri | first flash bootloader using the iriver_flash-plugin and after that rombox.iriver and/or rockbox.iriver |
| 11:14:52 | Slasheri | and using the latest cvs |
| 11:14:53 | LinusN | no time right now... |
| 11:15:05 | Slasheri | ok, but later when you have :) |
| 11:15:44 | Slasheri | here it's independece day so no work today ;) |
| 11:19:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: if you would like to try rombox too, you may try :) |
| 11:20:17 | Slasheri | just tested that reset cookie works correctly for original fw and rombox |
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| 11:23:03 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: is it tradition to make bricks on independence day? :D *joking* |
| 11:23:12 | Slasheri | :D |
| 11:23:28 | Slasheri | that should not brick on h120/h140, seems quite stable now :) |
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| 11:24:25 | * | jhMikeS will just let the one with the BDM determine that ;) |
| 11:24:25 | Slasheri | ah, and that bootloader needs to be renamed to bootloader.iriver |
| 11:24:34 | Slasheri | or flash plugin wont recognize it |
| 11:24:37 | Slasheri | =) |
| 11:25:37 | webguest25 | unlucky, i cant compile dev toolkit from fedora-fc6 vmware ... |
| 11:25:55 | webguest25 | Someone know a vmware image a could use ? |
| 11:26:08 | scorche | why dont you check the wiki? |
| 11:26:16 | scorche | specifically the page about setting up VMware |
| 11:26:19 | Slasheri | just use debian :) but i don't know about vmware images |
| 11:26:27 | bluebrother | Slasheri: what's the difference between rombox and a flashed iriver? |
| 11:26:42 | scorche | Slasheri: there is a debian rockbox dev image |
| 11:26:43 | webguest25 | Slasheri: got ubuntu at home |
| 11:26:46 | Slasheri | bluebrother: current flashing allows you only to put ram image in flash |
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| 11:26:54 | Slasheri | now that patch allows both ram and rom images |
| 11:27:00 | webguest25 | scorche: great ! |
| 11:27:10 | bluebrother | ah. nice. |
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| 11:32:02 | webguest25 | found http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 11:33:22 | markun | damn, a new personal highscore.. |
| 11:33:39 | * | jhMikeS realizes he doesn't get the "jhMikeS!!" from amiconn that indicates one is doing the real cutting edge daredevil stuff :) |
| 11:33:55 | webguest25 | markun: for what ? |
| 11:34:07 | markun | for breaking rockbox |
| 11:34:21 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 11:34:23 | webguest25 | im a good challenger ;) |
| 11:34:35 | webguest25 | locally |
| 11:34:47 | scorche | markun: weak... |
| 11:36:12 | hcs | I think that's his way of saying "you will have to train harder to defeat me!" |
| 11:37:40 | scorche | not really...my high score is 0... |
| 11:38:12 | hcs | and I haven't even had my chance at the big time |
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| 11:47:32 | jhMikeS | There's a bunch of #define ac_* that should go in that case from pcm-coldfire.c |
| 11:48:08 | markun | jhMikeS: didn't I already remove them? |
| 11:48:19 | jhMikeS | I don't knwo fir sure |
| 11:48:31 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/coldfire/pcm-coldfire.c.diff?r1=1.7&r2=1.8 |
| 11:48:37 | jhMikeS | ahh guess you did, sorry |
| 11:48:50 | LinusN | markun: "and this one" is not a very good checkin comment |
| 11:48:59 | markun | LinusN: yes, sorry |
| 11:49:13 | markun | got a bit frustrated |
| 11:49:35 | markun | I'll change the comments |
| 11:49:48 | jhMikeS | markun: I think pcm_mute could possible be moved back into the non-targeted pcm functions then |
| 11:51:28 | amiconn | markun: A more descriptive commit message would have been better.. |
| 11:51:49 | markun | amiconn: for the 2nd two? I'll change them |
| 11:51:59 | amiconn | This way it's hard to relate the files to the "first step in audio driver unification" |
| 11:52:00 | markun | last two.. |
| 11:52:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: i have a sneeking feeling the locking mechanism on ata_idle_nofity is stuffed |
| 11:52:22 | jhMikeS | markun: the one in pcm-coldfire should be identical to the one in pcm_playback.c now so it can join ranks with pcm_play_data and the like |
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| 11:55:36 | Cassandra | Whew! Holy checkins, batman. |
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| 11:56:17 | bl00dlust | Hello, can somebody help me with a little problem? |
| 11:57:06 | Cassandra | I believe there are millions of spammers who would be happy to ... oh, you mean something else. |
| 11:57:10 | Cassandra | What's the problem? |
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| 11:57:31 | bl00dlust | Does anyone know where the settings are in rockbox to alter the sensitivity of the clickwheel? Mine is far too low.... |
| 11:57:55 | Cassandra | I don't believe it's currently settable. |
| 11:58:16 | bl00dlust | awww :( Thanks anyways Cassandra, I appreciate your help |
| 11:58:26 | | Part LinusN |
| 11:58:31 | Cassandra | There's a patch in the tracker to do accelleration like the Apple firmware, but I don't think it's ready for inclusion in the main source yet. |
| 11:59:20 | bl00dlust | ahhh, okay :) |
| 11:59:26 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: Shouln't the lines like "PLLCR = 0x00000200 | (PLLCR & 0x70c00000);" be more like "PLLCR = 0x00800200 | (PLLCR & 0x70400000);" ? |
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| 12:00:40 | markun | amiconn: should be better now |
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| 12:09:47 | Cassandra | Anyone remember the address of the Rockbox cvs committers mailing list? |
| 12:09:54 | * | JdGordon wants conditionally logf-ing, PITA trying to debug one funciton with a million useless logf calls flooding the remote |
| 12:10:05 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: that should be correct, pll is bypassed at this point |
| 12:10:38 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: and CRSEL is later written back correctly when enabling PLL again |
| 12:10:59 | safetydan | Cassandra, isn't it rockbox-committers at cool.haxx.se? |
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| 12:11:32 | Cassandra | safetydan, sounds about right. I lost my entire addressbook in a freak Thunderbird accident. :( |
| 12:11:48 | * | JdGordon thought that 1 was secret? |
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| 12:12:17 | safetydan | I imagine that non subscribers can't send emails to it |
| 12:13:00 | JdGordon | pixelma: hey, thanks for the testing, I've been doing almost no coding the whole week, but I will ge to it all soonish.. hopefully |
| 12:13:10 | Cassandra | damn, now I've let the cat out of the bag, where will we badmouth our users? |
| 12:13:18 | safetydan | IRC, same place as usual |
| 12:13:22 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:13:24 | Cassandra | I don't think it's secret, exactly. |
| 12:13:31 | pixelma | JdGordon: nice.. hope you don't give up :) |
| 12:14:36 | JdGordon | pixelma: i go on and off that patch, so sometimes it sure feels like i have |
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| 12:22:50 | safetydan | Wee... first commit in months. |
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| 12:22:55 | safetydan | Hopefully nothing breaks. |
| 12:25:06 | JdGordon | does the link to the changlogs on the cvs page work for anyone? |
| 12:25:22 | JdGordon | and the wiki link |
| 12:28:35 | safetydan | JdGordon, both work for me |
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| 12:29:00 | JdGordon | damn, ok, somethin on my end must be stuffed |
| 12:32:08 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: Right, I see you set bit 23 unconditionally for the non-default frequencies. blah :P It is already what I was getting at. *tired* |
| 12:33:26 | Cassandra | Right - that's my good deed for the day done. Let's see if anything comes of it. |
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| 12:35:33 | safetydan | yeesh... my C skills have eroded mightily |
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| 12:41:53 | * | JdGordon is getting frustrated with the dirchache prev size variabl! |
| 12:43:09 | safetydan | Anyone see any problems with implementing the cut/copy and paste operations as plugins? Similar to the properties plugin. |
| 12:43:47 | safetydan | The only hitch at the moment is where to store the selected file. |
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| 12:47:23 | jhMikeS | safetydan: yes, if you're running a TSR plugin like battery_bench for instance |
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| 12:48:31 | linuxstb | I could live with not having cut/copy and paste available when a TSR plugin is running though. |
| 12:48:48 | safetydan | Can't other plugins be loaded when a TSR plugin is resident? |
| 12:49:27 | jhMikeS | no |
| 12:49:37 | * | bluebrother would prefer a "copy / move to" instead of cut / copy & paste" |
| 12:50:33 | safetydan | bluebrother, what would "move to" do different from cut then paste in the destination? |
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| 12:50:35 | jhMikeS | those features can't possibly have much overhead. I'd like multiple file selection personally. Maybe I'll add it :) |
| 12:50:48 | JdGordon | why the heck is the audio thread requesting a buffer refill if audio is stopped? |
| 12:51:46 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: getting the playback.c blues are ya? |
| 12:51:52 | bluebrother | safetydan: you wouldn't "cut" something and not knowing what you have cut but instead instantly point to the target location |
| 12:52:11 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: no, unrealted, but this could b causinmg major problems with saving settings |
| 12:52:24 | JdGordon | can I add the playing check before the register? |
| 12:52:47 | jhMikeS | wonder if the problem shouldn't be dealt with more severerly |
| 12:53:14 | jhMikeS | stopping playback clears the queue so something else must cause it right? |
| 12:53:55 | JdGordon | line 3564 in playback.c |
| 12:54:11 | JdGordon | its in a while(1) and an empty que |
| 12:54:14 | safetydan | bluebrother, hrm... that does sound better |
| 12:54:18 | JdGordon | so it makes sense its doing what its doing |
| 12:54:44 | pixelma | bluebrother: maybe I don't understand correctly - but what would happen if the new location is on a different volume (external MMC on Ondio - MiniSD on Sansa, USBotg once those are supported)? |
| 12:54:44 | * | jhMikeS wonders when see line 13564 in playback.c will be commonly seen |
| 12:55:12 | JdGordon | i hope no file ever gets that long! |
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| 12:56:27 | jhMikeS | Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER? |
| 12:56:29 | JdGordon | wooot! that was the blody problem |
| 12:56:55 | bluebrother | same as now −− copy copies the file, move moves |
| 12:57:42 | bluebrother | the only difference is that you currently need to cut / copy something, browse to the new location (and remember what you have in the clipboard) and paste it |
| 12:58:07 | pixelma | ah.. then I didn't understand correctly... :/ |
| 12:58:13 | bluebrother | with a dedicated move to / copy to you don't need a clipboard as you point to the target directly after using that option |
| 12:59:07 | bluebrother | on Windows you can enable such a function using tweakui for file and folder context menu |
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| 13:00:53 | JdGordon | Ive been thinking about how to split the button code off from the tree browser, so that it could be used as a save as/ open file dialog |
| 13:01:10 | bluebrother | it seems more logical to me −− I never understood those clipboard thing on files |
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| 13:06:39 | JdGordon | wooo hoooo, i finnaly figured it out :D |
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| 13:07:16 | JdGordon | after my commit we will be able t shutdown from insde the menus and have it save settings :D |
| 13:10:22 | safetydan | bluebrother, do you have a flyspray raised for that idea? |
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| 13:11:51 | JdGordon | hey petur, i just commited a fix for 6408 |
| 13:12:47 | safetydan | ah well |
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| 13:12:52 | roolku | Slasheri: when I try to flash the new bootloader.iriver I get a message "Incompatible/untested bootloader" and the flash plugin aborts? Any what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:13:12 | roolku | *idea* |
| 13:14:37 | JdGordon | bloody hell, can someone please check the changleog from the lates commit and make sure it ddnt stuff up the (c) notice in main_menu.c or main.c? firefox is being very odd |
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| 13:15:57 | JdGordon | dw, it didnt and firefox is really fucked! |
| 13:16:35 | linuxstb | Press CTRL+I in firefox to view the page info - what encoding does firefox think the page has? |
| 13:17:49 | JdGordon | odd... restarted FF and its all working aain |
| 13:18:05 | JdGordon | encoding is iso-8859-1 tho |
| 13:18:49 | Slasheri | roolku: did you apply that patch first? |
| 13:19:10 | Slasheri | roolku: iriver flash plugin needs the new crc checksum of that bootloader |
| 13:19:12 | roolku | Slasheri: no I didnt't |
| 13:19:23 | Slasheri | ok, that's why it didn't let you do it |
| 13:19:27 | Slasheri | just a safety measure |
| 13:19:32 | roolku | Slasheri: okay patching now... :) |
| 13:19:38 | JdGordon | is there a reason the sim doesnt do a "real" shutdown on exit? |
| 13:19:43 | Slasheri | roolku: btw, your tagcache patch on the tracker looks interesting |
| 13:19:50 | Slasheri | sorry that i haven't had much time to look on it :/ |
| 13:20:19 | roolku | Slasheri: thanks - I have an updated version and some more ideas |
| 13:21:15 | bluebrother | how about having a "filetype" view entry in tagcache that browses the folder structure and shows only some given extensions? |
| 13:22:01 | Slasheri | roolku: great :) |
| 13:22:04 | bluebrother | maybe including a start path... |
| 13:22:05 | roolku | bluebrother: you can use a filter on path with "ends with" <extension> |
| 13:22:14 | preglow | so it was the pll |
| 13:22:27 | bluebrother | you can do this already? With cvs? |
| 13:22:42 | bluebrother | or is this a patch in the tracker? |
| 13:22:53 | roolku | bb: cvs |
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| 13:23:09 | bluebrother | cool. Seems I missed that feature |
| 13:23:32 | preglow | Slasheri: exactly what settings were wrong? |
| 13:24:30 | Slasheri | preglow: just one bit in the PLLCR was incorrectly set |
| 13:24:40 | Slasheri | thus cpu frequency was higher than it was mean to be |
| 13:24:53 | preglow | wow |
| 13:24:54 | preglow | by how much? |
| 13:25:08 | bluebrother | roolku: can I also use the path with that filter? |
| 13:25:08 | Slasheri | i am not sure, but in worst case twice |
| 13:25:12 | preglow | damn |
| 13:25:14 | preglow | that's bad |
| 13:25:21 | JdGordon | Cassandra: rbutil no worky under wine :( |
| 13:25:24 | Slasheri | yeah, no wonder it crashed |
| 13:25:41 | preglow | so now rombox for iriver works fine? |
| 13:25:41 | Slasheri | preglow: btw, if you like to try the new bootloader also, you can do so :) |
| 13:25:42 | bluebrother | i.e. does it show the paths as folders? |
| 13:25:53 | Slasheri | yes, it should |
| 13:25:55 | preglow | Slasheri: maybe later |
| 13:26:59 | preglow | btw, how will we utilise the rom? just putting rockbox.iriver there sounds like a bit of a waste |
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| 13:27:14 | preglow | rom/flash/beh |
| 13:27:42 | Slasheri | preglow: now the rom is splitted so that we can put both rockbox.iriver and rombox.iriver there |
| 13:28:03 | Slasheri | and the new bootloader has a failsafe menu (automatically activated on crash or by hold switch) to select the default boot action |
| 13:28:16 | Slasheri | default boot can be either from disk, ram or rom |
| 13:29:24 | preglow | Slasheri: what's the point in keeping a rockbox.iriver there? |
| 13:29:37 | preglow | i mean, if you've already got a rombox flashed |
| 13:29:42 | Slasheri | well, it's easier to update than rom image |
| 13:30:21 | Slasheri | to update the rom image, you need first reboot either from disk or ram |
| 13:30:30 | Slasheri | and then have the rombox.iriver on the disk |
| 13:30:42 | preglow | rebooting from disk isn't exactly hell |
| 13:30:49 | preglow | would be cool if we could flash the codecs :> |
| 13:30:55 | Slasheri | hmm, indeed :) |
| 13:31:14 | JdGordon | is that out of the realm of possibility? |
| 13:31:21 | preglow | depends how you want to do it |
| 13:31:27 | preglow | just load codecs from flash->ram when needed, very possible |
| 13:31:39 | preglow | run codecs from flash? very much harder, but possible |
| 13:35:38 | habana | barrywardell: yesterday's error (-4) was caused by OF.bin missing into .rockbox . Now dual boot works perfectly |
| 13:36:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't know if you're interested anymore but the dsp plugins can now be run with very low latency (a couple ms). I can pastebin the old (using thread) and new style (no thread) flanger and ringmod that use the new system if you like. |
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| 13:38:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure, i'm still planning on elaborating the flanger plugin a bit more, then starting on new stuff |
| 13:38:34 | jhMikeS | aright, pretty easy switch. gimme a minute |
| 13:39:49 | preglow | i got to the point where i had to make simple ui code and then just stopped coding |
| 13:39:53 | preglow | heh |
| 13:42:59 | markun | jhMikeS: care to look at my patch before I commit? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/tenthdb.diff |
| 13:43:31 | barrywardell | habana: great! |
| 13:44:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: http://pastebin.ca/269262 |
| 13:45:42 | jhMikeS | markun: you're moving the sound.c stuff to the hw driver files I take it |
| 13:45:48 | markun | yes |
| 13:48:09 | markun | better to have hw specific code in the corresponding files than to use #ifdef I think |
| 13:49:02 | jhMikeS | just wondering why sound.h can't still have the prototypes to make including simple instead of putting them in the codec chip headers. |
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| 13:49:20 | markun | good point |
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| 13:50:13 | jhMikeS | Or sound.h could include the appropriate codec header the way system.h does |
| 13:50:25 | preglow | any idea about recording glitches? |
| 13:50:27 | jhMikeS | otherwise looks good |
| 13:51:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, a drive in a noisy condition might be vibrating too much. I tested long recording myself (long than peturs) and has no difficulty at all. Could also be an H300 only problem for some reason. |
| 13:52:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: nothing that can be compensated for? |
| 13:53:03 | jhMikeS | not really, how can you compensate if you can't write the data out? it already compensates for the spinup times up to 10s |
| 13:53:10 | * | petur wonders why this never was an issue with the old code |
| 13:53:18 | preglow | your unit got older in the meantime? :> |
| 13:53:47 | petur | I consider going back to mid august code for production use |
| 13:53:55 | preglow | it's worth a try anyway |
| 13:53:57 | jhMikeS | I'm not dead set on the idea that's the problem but why did I not encounter even one error in 2h 14m? |
| 13:54:26 | preglow | i could do a long recording test too |
| 13:54:31 | preglow | i know my disk is starting to get a bit tired |
| 13:55:00 | preglow | was it wav recording? usual settings? |
| 13:55:23 | jhMikeS | I did WAV, 44.1kHz, voice enabled, AGC safety clip. |
| 13:55:26 | markun | jhMikeS: updated the patch, is that what you were thinking of? |
| 13:56:43 | jhMikeS | markun: yes |
| 13:56:45 | petur | can't we lower the buffer full watermark? |
| 13:57:45 | petur | also, when it takes too long to write, wouldn't the PCM buffer end up getting full too because the encoder isn't emtying it? |
| 13:57:47 | jhMikeS | Buffer full watermark is 100% :). Buffer panic watermark is 1s. Normal buffer watermark is 5s + disk_spinup_time which is from 7-15s |
| 13:58:22 | petur | iirc, buffer full used to be 10 seconds or more from buffer full |
| 13:59:01 | jhMikeS | The encoder never has a problem keeping up. All the codecs are fast and WAV never boosts at any samplerate. |
| 13:59:17 | preglow | which reminds me we have aiff now! hooray! |
| 13:59:43 | jhMikeS | Flushing is where I would be concerned and it could be lowered yes, at the cost of more spinups. |
| 13:59:50 | petur | so is it writing to disk in yet another thread? |
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| 14:00:27 | petur | because if the encoder is flushing to disk,. PCM buffer will fill up and I'd expect that obne to get full too |
| 14:00:31 | jhMikeS | petur: the pcmrec thread writes. If is hits 1s left it is not only already cpu boosted (for all writing) but bumps it's priority and flushing the buffer is almost instant. |
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| 14:01:16 | jhMikeS | The encoder still encodes during flushes. PCM buffer pretty much is always empty |
| 14:02:33 | jhMikeS | The only encoder I've ever seem boost thread priority is WavPack at 88.2 kHz cause flushing loses ground there. When the extra boost hits the flushing of the entire contents of memory takes place in about 1s. |
| 14:04:31 | preglow | whatever danger there is of glitching would be higher when encoding too, yes? |
| 14:04:39 | preglow | think i'll do a couple of hours recording with wavpack |
| 14:05:17 | jhMikeS | preglow: I've done about an hour. WavPack isn't that hard on boost-> 12-13% |
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| 14:05:29 | petur | still, understand my lost trust: next concert is mid january and is *very* special, so I want 0% risk. So I'd rather dump all functionality and go back to mid august, that code never gave any lost sample |
| 14:05:47 | preglow | and you're free to do so |
| 14:05:56 | * | jhMikeS really want to get to the bottom of this |
| 14:05:58 | preglow | all code will have bugs, i'm pretty surprised you even used the new code in the first place |
| 14:06:15 | petur | I did test it a bit |
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| 14:06:54 | jhMikeS | petur: wish you could try two different players at once and see if only one gives a problem |
| 14:07:47 | preglow | at which point stealth taping becomes a pretty bulky affair |
| 14:07:48 | preglow | heh |
| 14:08:19 | petur | it already is, with the external amp |
| 14:09:03 | jhMikeS | I really don't get why this problem should show up. WAV is _very_ light on the cpu, AIFF even lighter (no endian swap) |
| 14:10:50 | petur | maybe light on cpu and hard on disk |
| 14:10:51 | preglow | anywho, some further testing sounds like a very good idea |
| 14:11:05 | jhMikeS | That stack corruption that happened bugs me though. That could come from anywhere |
| 14:11:15 | preglow | i love the new recording stuff a lot, and i'd hate it if all people started reverting |
| 14:11:26 | petur | I did find my disk fragmented |
| 14:12:02 | petur | perglow: all the guys at taperssection are passing mid-august versions around to each-other |
| 14:12:10 | petur | preglow even |
| 14:12:19 | preglow | i thought they were using that anyway |
| 14:12:55 | jhMikeS | There's an answer somewhere, either a big DOH! or it's revealing a deeper problem. |
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| 14:13:54 | petur | I can only say I'm not making things up, you've heard my recording. Maybe it's only h3x0 related or only my player. |
| 14:14:05 | jhMikeS | there's no more data to write to disk now that there was before. flushing hasn't really changed. was there a change in the yielding that the file api's do? |
| 14:14:07 | preglow | slim chance it's h3x0 only |
| 14:14:12 | petur | indeed |
| 14:16:00 | jhMikeS | adding 3s to the base watermark would give a min 10s like before...hmmm |
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| 14:17:32 | jhMikeS | I'm wondering if I shouldn't put together a build with logging of output buffer full evens even on a non-logf build. Should only show critical events. |
| 14:18:10 | jhMikeS | If the log doesn't show it and you get skips, then that isn't the problem. :\ |
| 14:19:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: I should say there was a mystery hang on the H120 that moving a callback pointer out of IRAM fixed. That shouldn't happen. Something was corrupting it from elsewhere. |
| 14:21:23 | jhMikeS | should also mention the memsets in dither_init had the wrong sizes which caused bizarre behavior during playback. That can make all crazy things happen. (Just throwing ideas around) |
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| 14:23:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, i saw that |
| 14:23:11 | preglow | not my first bug of that kind, i'm afraid :> |
| 14:23:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: the logging build sounds like a good idea |
| 14:23:35 | jhMikeS | I'm afraid more like that may lie elsewhere. It's easy to do. |
| 14:24:37 | jhMikeS | The tapers I'm sure would feel comfortable with the new system if the bug where positively identified instead of a vague notion |
| 14:26:00 | preglow | haha |
| 14:26:15 | preglow | i don't think they'll be using a build that they think have bugs |
| 14:26:21 | preglow | bug for other people it'll do fine |
| 14:29:44 | jhMikeS | when are they gonna think it doesn't have bug anymore or will they always distrust new stuff? |
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| 14:29:53 | roolku | Slasheri: could it be that the rombox patch is missing a file? the compiler (and I) can't find the three detect_* functions |
| 14:30:24 | jhMikeS | I've gotta be sure memcpy handles a size of zero correctly cause it will get call with that _alot_ |
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| 14:33:13 | roolku | Slasheri: a warning in eeprom_settings_init (implicit declaration) and 3 errors in plugin.c (error: `detect_original_firmware' undeclared here) |
| 14:33:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It definitely does |
| 14:34:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: rules that out then |
| 14:35:34 | amiconn | I have a test plugin that tests all lengths (up to 64) and alignments which I run on every memcpy/memset implementation before even thinking about a commit |
| 14:35:40 | markun | amiconn: do you have a suggestion where the Travis* |
| 14:35:52 | markun | let's try that again.. |
| 14:36:14 | markun | do you have a suggestion where the bass_table and treble_table could be moved to? |
| 14:36:18 | Slasheri | roolku: hmm, just a moment |
| 14:36:22 | jhMikeS | two problem: one loses data, the other just crashes at stop sometimes but all data is in tact...if I get those two recording should be solid as a rock |
| 14:36:32 | markun | from firmware/sound.c |
| 14:37:44 | Slasheri | roolku: yes, i had forgot to add system.h diff to the patch |
| 14:37:45 | amiconn | Why move them? |
| 14:37:47 | Slasheri | please download it again |
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| 14:38:42 | jhMikeS | I'm basically the only one with eyes on that code. Someone else inspecting might catch something dumb I did. |
| 14:39:43 | * | amiconn wants a spare time generator :/ |
| 14:43:02 | daurnimator | i'll have one too |
| 14:43:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, i sure would distrust new code a lot if i were to record things i found important, which is why i'm surprised the tapers were even using the new code by now |
| 14:44:54 | preglow | i just want tons of money and no job |
| 14:45:14 | daurnimator | i want everything to cost less |
| 14:45:48 | preglow | i don't so much want the money to buy stuff as i just want it to survive while i do the stuff i really want to |
| 14:45:52 | preglow | heh |
| 14:45:56 | jhMikeS | It's sort of a blow to the self-esteem having no frickin' idea what's up. Other stuff petur reported I spotted pretty quickly (prerecord time bug comes to mind) |
| 14:46:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, not all bugs are obvious, that shouldn't be news, heh |
| 14:46:35 | preglow | you should find comfort in the fact that recording is one of the nastiest spots in which to find a bug |
| 14:46:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: me too, but a few extra million here and there won't hurt, just for the cushy effect |
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| 14:47:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: any history lesson I should be aware of? |
| 14:47:44 | preglow | no, just general observation |
| 14:47:48 | preglow | i might be on crack too |
| 14:48:02 | preglow | never take what i say seriously if you don't feel like it :> |
| 14:48:06 | jhMikeS | if crack helps find bugs i'm in |
| 14:48:15 | preglow | haha |
| 14:48:19 | preglow | i've got a slight feeling it doesn't |
| 14:48:43 | jhMikeS | you find 'em crawling on you skin probably |
| 14:49:17 | preglow | haha |
| 14:50:12 | * | jhMikeS likes to have the conceit and inflated ego that all bugs are obvious to him :) |
| 14:50:35 | amiconn | Debugging recording can take huge amounts of time |
| 14:50:46 | * | amiconn knows what he's speaking about :/ |
| 14:51:06 | preglow | when amiconn backs up what i say, you can start taking me seriously again |
| 14:51:17 | jhMikeS | Would like to know what sort of things were found cause maybe they've been introduced again |
| 14:51:34 | amiconn | I did test recordings amounting to weeks of recording time back when hunting the recording corruption on MAS |
| 14:51:49 | amiconn | Turned out there was nothing wrong in rockbox - it's a MAS bug |
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| 14:53:06 | amiconn | All we can do is adding some monitoring (not yet done) |
| 14:54:19 | preglow | framewalker? |
| 14:54:26 | amiconn | yep |
| 14:54:31 | jhMikeS | The logf will tell about things like overflow on the output but it's never come close to hitting that in any test and having a perfect concert length recording doesn't help when someone else had five "hits" in the same time frame |
| 14:54:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: i still say put the logging in |
| 14:56:08 | jhMikeS | what sort of logging though? it would have to be custom and can't rely on disk access to heavily and must trace a lot of events. |
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| 14:56:38 | preglow | well, i expect you'd know best |
| 14:56:44 | preglow | it shouldn't rely on disk accesses at all until something bad happens |
| 14:56:46 | jhMikeS | I really don't atm |
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| 14:58:05 | jhMikeS | It wouldn't log anything but bad things I think but still must remember it if the drive won't spin. It can write when things are in a good state. |
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| 15:00:02 | preglow | correct |
| 15:00:40 | jhMikeS | petur: all those skips are time-forward, right? that "repeat" obviously wasn't the same samples twice given the different instrumentals in each. |
| 15:05:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did the file apis change at any point since august to yield more often? |
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| 15:06:16 | grond | Hi, everybody! Sorry to drop in and start asking questions... ;) |
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| 15:06:32 | grond | I noticed that there is an mp3-encoder in recent versions of rockbox |
| 15:06:45 | grond | I'm working on an alternative firmware for the Archos PMA |
| 15:07:08 | grond | there is a mp3-encoder in the firmware which is binary-only and hard-wired to the PMA's internal microphone |
| 15:07:47 | grond | since the PMA has a USB-host port, we are looking into making it rip audio CDs from external CD-drives and encoding the ripped data to mp3 on the fly |
| 15:08:10 | grond | I have compiled the ARM-optimised shine encoder for the PMA which features a linux system running on a 150 MHz ARM |
| 15:08:27 | grond | However, encoding a 3 minute song takes 37 minutes |
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| 15:08:58 | grond | I understand that the encoder used in the rockbox-project has the same roots as the shine encodier |
| 15:09:14 | grond | is the speed I get realistic or can you do real-time encoding of mp3s? |
| 15:09:41 | Bg3r | grond: realtime andd that is on Coldfire 120MHz |
| 15:09:52 | grond | Coldfire is 680x0 with MAC, right? |
| 15:10:01 | Bg3r | with EMAC |
| 15:10:04 | grond | so its speed should compare more or less to a 150 MHz ARM? |
| 15:10:19 | grond | EMAC = ? |
| 15:10:25 | Bg3r | Enhanced MAC |
| 15:10:32 | grond | longer accumulator? |
| 15:10:42 | Bg3r | preglow is into these things |
| 15:11:15 | grond | do you know whether the encoder really is the same as the shine encoder? somebody told me so... |
| 15:11:32 | Bg3r | afaik it's based on the shine |
| 15:11:49 | * | jhMikeS is going to sleep and dream recording code - and lurk |
| 15:11:57 | grond | ok, cool. So there is hope to get this thing working faster... |
| 15:12:23 | Bg3r | grond: why just don't get it from the rockbox cvs and see the changes ? |
| 15:13:10 | grond | well, yes, I should do that... ;) actually, I have the source code flying around here, so I should compare it. I had a look at it and saw the inline assembly bits which is why I know that the coldfire has a MAC... :) |
| 15:13:20 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 15:13:27 | grond | I used to do a lot of 680x0 coding in asm back in the amiga days... |
| 15:14:07 | grond | I tried shine first because it was easy to compile and ready for use |
| 15:14:29 | grond | with the mp3-encoder from rockbox I would have to build some linux wrapper program around the encoder, I guess. |
| 15:15:19 | amiconn | grond: Coldfire is RISCified m68k, in our case with EMAC with is enhanced MAC |
| 15:15:39 | amiconn | (4 accumulators instead of one, and wider accumulators) |
| 15:16:10 | grond | yes, I know that the Coldfire isn't 100% 680x0 compatible. It does use 2-operand code, though (except for MAC which is 3-operands), right? |
| 15:16:49 | preglow | mac can be more than three |
| 15:17:03 | preglow | it can be up to five, if i remember correctly |
| 15:17:21 | preglow | mac.l %d1, %d2, (%a0)+, %d1, %acc0 |
| 15:17:22 | preglow | for example |
| 15:17:58 | preglow | coldfire code is mostly (at least for our coldfire) a subset of m68k code, where not all addressing modes or instructions are included |
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| 15:18:07 | preglow | and sometimes not all forms of one instruction |
| 15:18:32 | grond | okay. there were a lot of address modes in the 68020+ that nobody ever really used so I guess they got rid of them |
| 15:18:39 | grond | (memory indexed stuff) |
| 15:18:48 | preglow | we've got most of those |
| 15:18:48 | amiconn | Afaik, the rockbox mp3 encoder is the shine encoder with coldfire optimisations for time critical stuff |
| 15:18:58 | preglow | amiconn: plus some changes for quality, afaik |
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| 15:19:33 | preglow | i don't really know 68k too well, the only addressing modes i know 68k has that coldfire hasn't, is movem.l with writeback |
| 15:19:39 | grond | how many clock cycles is an EMAC on the Coldfire and how many can be executed at a time? I noticed that always two MACs are executed with independent data |
| 15:19:58 | preglow | grond: no one really knows since docs are contradictory, but it has a 1 cycle throughput, i think |
| 15:20:01 | amiconn | emac without parallel load is single cycle |
| 15:20:14 | amiconn | ..but with a 3-cycle latency |
| 15:20:18 | preglow | grond: that is, if you string lots of them together each of them will seem to take one cycle |
| 15:20:30 | grond | yes, I see |
| 15:20:44 | preglow | but you can't use the result immediately |
| 15:20:53 | preglow | but then again, some coldfire docs say mac.l uses 1 cycle no matter what |
| 15:20:55 | preglow | so who knows |
| 15:20:56 | grond | if they have a 3-cycle latency, optimal would be to have three MACs in a row before using the output of the first MAC |
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| 15:21:17 | preglow | grond: optimal is having lots of mac.l instructions after each other, and then some extra work to do before fetching the result |
| 15:21:25 | grond | on the ARM there is only a relatively slow multiply and no MAC... :( |
| 15:21:31 | preglow | grond: sure there is mac |
| 15:21:35 | grond | is there? |
| 15:21:42 | preglow | grond: smlal |
| 15:21:47 | preglow | smull, mla |
| 15:21:52 | preglow | all of those |
| 15:22:14 | preglow | mla does 32 bit mac, smlal does 64 bit signed macs |
| 15:22:22 | preglow | it is slow, however |
| 15:22:23 | amiconn | grond: That would be optimal _in theory_ but the coldfire v2 emac has a bug |
| 15:22:45 | amiconn | ..which causes the latency to apply even if different accumulators are involved |
| 15:22:53 | grond | in my manual it says: "all M variants". Not sure if the ARM9tdmi has them... |
| 15:23:01 | preglow | grond: arm9tdmi sure has them |
| 15:23:05 | preglow | grond: all arms have mla anyway |
| 15:23:07 | grond | cool... :) |
| 15:23:08 | amiconn | So you can stick together as many mac instructions as you want (same or different accumulators) |
| 15:23:17 | preglow | grond: but even the arm7tdmi in ipods have smlal |
| 15:23:31 | grond | okay, I feel relieved... |
| 15:23:39 | preglow | don't feel too relievede, it's slow :> |
| 15:23:39 | amiconn | ...but you should stick 2 unrelated single-cycle instructions between the mac chain and fetching the accumulator(s) |
| 15:23:44 | preglow | but i've used it a lot anyway, no choice |
| 15:24:40 | grond | for ARM you can save a little if you always pair two data-independent OPs, this will save one cycle per instruction but that's pretty much what you can do to speed up the code |
| 15:25:21 | preglow | sounds like arm9 things |
| 15:25:24 | preglow | that won't work on arm7 |
| 15:25:52 | markun | grond: I can do a test on my 300MHz ARM9 |
| 15:26:02 | grond | yes, ARM9. on ARM7 there is at most one instruction every two cycles. what would I have to do to use the mp3-encoder from rockbox? I would start with the C-version (undef CPU_COLDFIRE) |
| 15:26:02 | preglow | that has it, i think |
| 15:26:07 | grond | markun: that would be nice... :) |
| 15:26:22 | preglow | grond: arm7 can do one instruciton every cycle, afaik, at least as long as all code memory is cached |
| 15:27:03 | preglow | as long as none of those instructions are ldr, b, etc |
| 15:27:18 | grond | preglow: pretty sure it's one instruction every two cycles. with ARM9 you can have one instruction per cycle but drop down to two cycles per instruction if the subsequent instruction depends on the result of the preceding instruction |
| 15:27:23 | preglow | ah, or use a shift operand with a register shift amount |
| 15:27:54 | markun | grond: 5.7x realtime |
| 15:28:01 | markun | 128 kbit/s |
| 15:28:06 | grond | but doesn't really matter, once I start to write optimised code I will dig out my cycle lists... ;) |
| 15:28:13 | grond | markun: duh! |
| 15:28:14 | preglow | oh, i know the cycle lists |
| 15:28:17 | preglow | that's what i'm quoting :) |
| 15:28:24 | grond | okay, even better |
| 15:28:35 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, I'm not sure whether your coldfire code takes this latency bug into account... |
| 15:28:36 | preglow | but there might be other stuff than just pure cycle counts to it |
| 15:28:42 | grond | but sure you don't mistake ARM7 with v7 of the ARM implementation? :o) |
| 15:28:47 | preglow | amiconn: it does wherever i could make it do so |
| 15:28:52 | preglow | amiconn: it's not always possible |
| 15:28:57 | amiconn | yes I know |
| 15:29:03 | daurnimator | HAHAHA power rangers is on - i couldn't remember how crap it was :S |
| 15:29:08 | preglow | but i've always been fully aware of the bug, at least |
| 15:29:24 | markun | grond: perhaps you could send us a patch if you make some ARM optimisations |
| 15:29:36 | grond | markun: how do you test this? is there command line code to encode a file? |
| 15:30:09 | grond | currently I am very short of time because I'm studying for my exam in february. this is a thing that should keep my studying ten hours a day every day... :p |
| 15:30:11 | markun | yes, there is a mp3_encoder plugin for rockbox |
| 15:30:18 | grond | so don't expect anything soon... |
| 15:31:11 | grond | I have only used rockbox on my old Archos Jukebox so I'm not really familiar with its modern incarnations. is that some kind of standard C code which will work in pretty much any environment if compiled for it? |
| 15:31:32 | preglow | no, it is adapted |
| 15:31:41 | grond | that means? |
| 15:32:49 | preglow | well, code needs to be adapted to rockbox |
| 15:32:59 | preglow | you can't just take any piece of code containing main() and expect it to work |
| 15:33:00 | roolku | Slasheri: rombox works fine on my h140 :) |
| 15:33:14 | grond | preglow: and the other way around? :o) |
| 15:33:19 | preglow | grond: heh, guess |
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| 15:33:28 | roolku | Slasheri: is it possible for a user to determine which version (rom/ram/disk) is currently running? |
| 15:33:45 | grond | from a quick gaze at the mp3_enc.c I deduct that one has to call enc_init() first and then codec_main()? |
| 15:33:57 | grond | or is there anything else to call from outside first? |
| 15:34:01 | roolku | Slasheri: maybe it could be displayed in the version screen? |
| 15:34:13 | Slasheri | roolku: not directly, but by starting up player with hold switch on it will show the default choice |
| 15:34:19 | Slasheri | nice it works :) |
| 15:34:22 | roolku | Slasheri: I guess I could make a WPS tag. :) |
| 15:34:27 | Slasheri | hehe, true :D |
| 15:34:51 | roolku | Slasheri: double-tap on play for resume works if I am not to quick |
| 15:35:07 | Slasheri | yep, that is quite useful indeed :) |
| 15:35:29 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe it could be even faster if we initialize button driver earlier.. |
| 15:35:37 | Slasheri | but it's even quite fast already |
| 15:35:41 | roolku | Slasheri: and around 300000 bytes bigger audio buffer if I am not mistaken |
| 15:36:36 | Slasheri | true :) |
| 15:37:05 | roolku | what is a good way to measure execution time in rockbox? Is there a free running timer that can be read before and after? |
| 15:38:04 | Slasheri | hmm, you can use the kernel tick timer, current_tick |
| 15:38:20 | Slasheri | and divide it by HZ to get the time in seconds |
| 15:38:50 | roolku | True, but I was hoping for a higher resolution. |
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| 15:39:17 | Slasheri | that has a resolution of 10ms IIRC |
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| 15:39:36 | Slasheri | what kind of measurements would you like to do? |
| 15:41:01 | roolku | Apart from finding out if there is any slowdown when running from rom, it reminded me that I also wanted to time the I2C communication (time it takes to send an array) |
| 15:41:24 | roolku | I am trying to add an RTC to the h120 |
| 15:41:47 | Slasheri | ah, for slowdown you could watch the boost ratio in audio debug menu |
| 15:42:10 | Slasheri | just play the same file long enough and measure the difference |
| 15:42:58 | markun | Slasheri: didn't you also add a RTC to your iriver at one time? |
| 15:43:05 | Slasheri | hmm, you are trying to add a real rtc chip? |
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| 15:43:19 | Slasheri | markun: no, but i have planned adding a bluetooth link |
| 15:43:26 | roolku | Slasheri: yes, a ds13339c |
| 15:43:32 | Slasheri | there would be just enough space inside the player to do that |
| 15:44:10 | roolku | BTW: I have found a bug in the i2c driver when it comes to multi-byte read |
| 15:44:40 | roolku | (which you are not using in the eeprom driver) |
| 15:45:42 | roolku | I am currently using the eeprom to simulate the RTC - I have to summon all curage to solder the rtc chip in - hehe |
| 15:46:05 | Slasheri | =) |
| 15:46:34 | Slasheri | did you plan soldering it besides the eeprom chip? |
| 15:47:15 | roolku | yes, I think this is the easiest to just use piggyback it onto the eeprom |
| 15:47:44 | Slasheri | yep, and then just set a different address for the rtc |
| 15:48:09 | roolku | yes, it is hard-coded for the rtc (0xe0) |
| 15:48:42 | Slasheri | hmm.. maybe we should create some "official" easy-to-do mods for iriver units and support the code in rockbox :) |
| 15:49:07 | roolku | If it work out I'll do a wiki page |
| 15:49:08 | Slasheri | i really would like to add that bluetooth feature, would be nice to control player using a mobile phone |
| 15:49:12 | Slasheri | great |
| 15:49:34 | roolku | that sounds interesting. |
| 15:49:52 | Slasheri | and i have all necessary code ready to do that :) |
| 15:50:09 | roolku | I have seen modules that do serial to wireless - but too big to put into the case :( |
| 15:50:48 | Slasheri | true, but simple H4 HCI-interface modules are really small |
| 15:51:15 | roolku | I'll keep my eyes peeled |
| 15:51:47 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 17:01:21 | PaulPosition | Hmm... Barrywardell's modified bootloader for PP daps certainly allows me to dualboot but it also most definately crash my H10 with a 'data abort at 00035408' soon as I turn 'crossfeed' on. I made sure it was the patch by comparing a patched and unpatched bootloader/cvs combos on my player. |
| 17:03:22 | PaulPosition | Any idea what sort of things I could/should look for to help him in search of the problem? |
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| 17:10:10 | unleet | School Sucks. |
| 17:12:35 | n1s | nah, it can be quite fun |
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| 17:26:19 | amiconn | markun: Wow, more than 3000 points with just warnings... |
| 17:26:28 | markun | yes :) |
| 17:26:54 | markun | And I was talking about a personal record with just 226 points.. |
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| 18:06:47 | Gnelik | Hi1 |
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| 18:08:19 | PaulPosition | Hey Gnelik.. Am I mistaken in thinking you own a sansa e200? |
| 18:09:01 | * | pondlife thanks Bluebrother for his tireless Flyspray policing |
| 18:09:13 | Gnelik | Nope |
| 18:09:13 | Gnelik | I am a happy owner of e200 :)) |
| 18:09:48 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Are you using Barry/Dan_a's bootloader/patch from yesterday? |
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| 18:11:56 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Am asking because on my iRiver H10, with the bootloader, I would get an 'data abort' error anytime I would try to turn "crossfeed" on. I wonder if it happens on all PortalPlayer daps or just the H10s.. |
| 18:13:04 | Gnelik | PaulPosition: I use my own bootloader and crt...S changed |
| 18:14:30 | Gnelik | PaulPosition: Give me a link to a new one please. |
| 18:14:45 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - on second.. |
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| 18:15:17 | PaulPosition | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-12/0002.shtml |
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| 18:23:16 | Gnelik | PaulPosition:Æ ùò üí ñãêóòå àøêüöôêó öøåð âãôä èùùå øå öùêëû ùë |
| 18:23:29 | Gnelik | PaulPosition:: on my curent firmware with dual boot it works ok |
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| 18:23:40 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Well, that's good. |
| 18:23:59 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Rather it works well everywhere but home than work bad everywhere. :p |
| 18:24:05 | PaulPosition | ;) |
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| 18:24:34 | Gnelik | :) |
| 18:28:04 | PaulPosition | I'm happy anyway. I get dualboot which is quite a boon while waiting for recording and fm tuner. Too bad for crossfeed but I'm sure it could be figured out some day soon. |
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| 18:28:59 | shirour | hi all! i have a questions - if i have a machine running linux, is it possible somehow to compile rockbox to run on it? |
| 18:29:51 | PaulPosition | I don't think so, no. Why would you want to do that? |
| 18:30:09 | PaulPosition | shirour - Unless you want a 'simulator' to test things... |
| 18:30:25 | PaulPosition | shirour - But there's no sound, I think. |
| 18:31:43 | Gnelik | there is sound in simulator |
| 18:31:53 | PaulPosition | My bad. :p |
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| 18:33:36 | PaulPosition | shirour - But if it's a port of rockbox, a rockbox4linux, you want then it'd be quite unpractical. Rather go with a dedicated linux player like the (amazing) Amarok. |
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| 18:33:49 | pixelma | PaulPosition: I've heard people using rockbox similators as audio players under linux... |
| 18:34:22 | shirour | PaulPosition: thanks for your replies! my current problem is as follows: |
| 18:34:33 | shirour | i have a play machine running arm, and i've managed to get linux running on it |
| 18:34:53 | shirour | i've managed to get various mini distribution to work (familiar with OPIE and GPE (x based)) |
| 18:35:01 | shirour | but now i want the functionality of a player |
| 18:35:30 | shirour | so i thought rockbox's gui would be the best for such a thing |
| 18:35:39 | shirour | the question is how can i do it... |
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| 18:36:12 | PaulPosition | ohhhh.. That's way over my head, sorry, but there sure are folks who could help. Maybe set up some sort of dualboot or whatnot.. |
| 18:36:48 | shirour | mm.. so there is no way of running rockbox on a linux machine..? |
| 18:37:20 | Gnelik | there is |
| 18:37:33 | Gnelik | By building a simulator for linux |
| 18:37:48 | shirour | sounds good..! how can i do that? |
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| 18:39:11 | * | amiconn just had a crazy idea |
| 18:39:32 | Gnelik | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 18:39:42 | shirour | great, thanks! |
| 18:40:04 | amiconn | The rockbox sim can run on linux, but the rockbox gui is no real gui, just a graphical display controlled via the keyboard |
| 18:40:24 | amiconn | The graphical display draws quite some cpu power |
| 18:40:40 | Gnelik | PaulPosition: Do you have USB bug in then off firmware |
| 18:40:42 | Gnelik | ?? |
| 18:40:48 | amiconn | Then I know there are console freaks who could make use of a powerful audio player |
| 18:41:25 | amiconn | So my idea was to add a rockbox target that uses the *nix console as a charcell display |
| 18:42:04 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Hmm.. Never used USB with off firmware as my device is MTP but I can have a look. What kind of bug? |
| 18:42:54 | Gnelik | Put usb in and turn the player on, than loade oofitial firmware |
| 18:43:12 | shirour | btw - does rockbox seperate gui from engine? can i configure it to use encoder/decoder other than yours? |
| 18:43:49 | Gnelik | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxArchitecture |
| 18:44:00 | Gnelik | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 18:45:12 | Slasheri | hmm, shouldn't 320x240 backdrops work for ipod video? |
| 18:45:27 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - You want me to load the official firmware using Rolo and not a button combination, is that it? |
| 18:45:46 | amiconn | Slasheri: sure (and only those) |
| 18:46:14 | Slasheri | ah, weird.. now it worked |
| 18:46:18 | Slasheri | needed to try twice |
| 18:49:53 | shirour | say - can i still use the X version of the simulator instead of SDL? |
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| 18:51:03 | shirour | since on my machine i already have X libs... getting sdl might be a little bit of a problem |
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| 18:52:21 | bluebrother | shirour, no. X support has been dropped a while ago in favor of SDL |
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| 18:59:12 | Drkepilogue | >_> |
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| 19:03:28 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - I have no other way but pressing buttons at boot to get into original firmware. No rolo plugin on my target, browse firmware returns nothing and I browsing to the .mi4 files and clicking is useless. |
| 19:03:58 | amiconn | rolo isn't a plugin |
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| 19:04:07 | Gnelik | PaulPosition: Load it using bottons |
| 19:04:15 | PaulPosition | amiconn - duh... ok. :blush: |
| 19:04:28 | amiconn | rolo is core functionality |
| 19:04:42 | * | amiconn spotted a bug in ata-as-coldfire.S |
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| 19:05:00 | amiconn | One of the performance hit type though, nothing to worry about as a user |
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| 19:05:28 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Won't load OF if USB is plugged in on my H10, it seems pressing left (boot OF) when plugged in is same as if I press right (UMS mode). |
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| 19:07:21 | PaulPosition | If I plug it in while in OF, however, it goes into usb=>MTP mode (yuk!) But then iRiver isn't Sansa.. |
| 19:07:38 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - What exactly were you trying to find out? |
| 19:07:57 | Gnelik | My Sansa hang's up when i plug in usb |
| 19:08:44 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - Ahhh. |
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| 19:09:49 | PaulPosition | Gnelik - As far as I know, the H10 port isn't USB-aware.. Plugged in or not, it does the same things, 'unless' I specifically tell it (by way of buttons) to go into usb disk mode. |
| 19:10:16 | Gnelik | Hm.. Cool |
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| 19:23:30 | sardiskan | I was going to get an ipod nano for my wife for christmas but we have ogg formatted tracks...how can I make sure I'm getting a gen1 nano? |
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| 19:27:07 | markun | sardiskan: the case of the gen2 nano is all metal: http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ |
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| 19:29:56 | Gnelik | dan_a Hi Dan! |
| 19:30:08 | dan_a | Evening Gnelik |
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| 19:30:40 | sardiskan | thanks markun |
| 19:30:50 | Gnelik | dan_a: I have same USB problem with new crt... |
| 19:30:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hehe, please tell me the purpose of this: |
| 19:30:59 | amiconn | #ifdef IAUDIO_X5 |
| 19:30:59 | amiconn | #define DEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS 0x10400000 |
| 19:30:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 19:30:59 | amiconn | #else |
| 19:30:59 | amiconn | #define DEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS 0x10400000 |
| 19:30:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:30:59 | amiconn | #endif |
| 19:31:15 | amiconn | Looks like the whole #ifdef is superfluous... |
| 19:32:21 | dan_a | Gnelik: RockBox doesn't come back from the USB screen when you unplug the USB cable? |
| 19:32:41 | Gnelik | Nope hang's up with Or firmware |
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| 19:33:43 | dan_a | If you move the scroll wheel while it's hung, do the LEDs come on? |
| 19:33:49 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, hehe :D i even didn't notice that.. |
| 19:33:59 | Slasheri | seems there is no need to have them both :) |
| 19:34:05 | amiconn | Committed. |
| 19:34:09 | Slasheri | thanks |
| 19:35:38 | dan_a | amiconn: What do you think to renaming ata-e200.c to disk-e200.c? And possibly ata_*_sectors to disk_*_sectors? |
| 19:35:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, but no wondering if my commit broke iaudio.. |
| 19:36:06 | amiconn | Huh? Why should it? |
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| 19:36:33 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/coldfire/system-target.h.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 |
| 19:36:51 | Reio2 | How can I force rockbox to shut down on my 4g ipod? Holding Play doesn't do anything |
| 19:36:57 | amiconn | DEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS was different per target before, but now it's not |
| 19:37:26 | Gnelik | dan_a: it lights on |
| 19:37:31 | Slasheri | yep, but the CRSEL bit is now changed |
| 19:37:51 | amiconn | Where? |
| 19:37:55 | Gnelik | i use rockbox patch that was sended to mail list |
| 19:38:06 | Slasheri | it's now always set to one in system-iriver.c |
| 19:38:17 | Slasheri | somebody with iaudio should test if it still works.. |
| 19:38:24 | amiconn | Guess why that's called system-iriver.c? |
| 19:38:37 | Slasheri | argh :D |
| 19:38:40 | Slasheri | never mind ;) |
| 19:38:45 | amiconn | hehe |
| 19:39:25 | dan_a | Gnelik: That means that you're having the exact problem that the patch is meant to fix. Can you make 100% sure that you have patched the source, nothing got rejected, and that you've copied across the correct bootloader? |
| 19:39:53 | Gnelik | I used my old bootloader |
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| 19:42:25 | webguest54 | would a rockbox port to run on a zune require hardware modification ? |
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| 19:45:19 | dan_a | webguest54: I don't see why it should. The people writing the port might need to take a Zune apart, but I don't think any ports so far need hardware modification to run. |
| 19:46:07 | dan_a | Gnelik: That will be the problem then! |
| 19:46:22 | Gnelik | dan_a: what did you changed in BL? |
| 19:46:53 | PaulPosition | dan_a: D'you have any idea why that dualbooting patch would break crossfeed (and pretty much only that) on an other portalplayer dap? (ie, my H10) |
| 19:47:33 | dan_a | Gnelik: crt0-pp.S |
| 19:47:53 | Gnelik | dan_a: i've pached crt |
| 19:49:13 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Not yet. If Rockbox loads, it ought to work. Have you looked in rockbox.map to see what is at the address that's giving you the error? That might help us figure it out. |
| 19:49:28 | dan_a | Gnelik: But you said you used your old bootloader |
| 19:49:52 | Gnelik | but applyed patch |
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| 19:50:29 | PaulPosition | dan_a - Right, rockbox.map sounds like just what the doctor ordered.. |
| 19:51:41 | dan_a | Gnelik: Start with a clean CVS. Apply the patch. Make a bootloader build. Copy this bootloader build onto your Sansa. Do you still have the problem? |
| 19:52:19 | Gnelik | how can i update cvs with deleting modifye files even patched? |
| 19:52:51 | dan_a | Gnelik: Do a fresh checkout in a different directory |
| 19:53:12 | amiconn | cvs up -C |
| 19:53:17 | Gnelik | dan_a: i have very slow i-net |
| 19:53:30 | amiconn | " -C Overwrite locally modified files with clean repository copies." |
| 19:53:44 | amiconn | cvs −−help update told me |
| 19:53:57 | Gnelik | amiconn: but not pathched |
| 19:54:17 | amiconn | ?? |
| 19:54:59 | Gnelik | patched |
| 19:55:13 | amiconn | cvs up -C should overwrite those |
| 19:55:21 | amiconn | That's what this optioon is for |
| 19:55:24 | amiconn | *option |
| 19:55:39 | PaulPosition | dan_a: 0x000353a4 apply_crossfeed |
| 19:55:52 | Gnelik | i update with #/bin/sh |
| 19:55:52 | Gnelik | cvs up -dPC apps bootloader firmware tools uisimulator docs |
| 19:55:54 | dan_a | Gnelik: You need to test this on a clean version of CVS - i.e. with no patches. If you don't want to lose work you've done, back up the folder before doing "cvs up -C" |
| 19:55:54 | PaulPosition | dan_a : I get the data abort at 00035408 |
| 19:56:27 | dan_a | PaulPosition: I'll have a look at that in 5 minutes |
| 19:56:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:56:45 | * | amiconn always updates with just 'cvs up' in the source root |
| 19:57:03 | amiconn | I've set -dP in .cvsrc |
| 19:57:20 | PaulPosition | dan_a: Please take your time |
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| 20:05:11 | Gnelik | dan_a: i'd like to create bootloader.cfg |
| 20:05:28 | Gnelik | can i read files from BL? |
| 20:06:31 | dan_a | Gnelik: Yes, normal file operations (eg open() and read()) are available |
| 20:06:33 | Gnelik | And do we need such kind of bootloader |
| 20:06:38 | Gnelik | ? |
| 20:07:54 | dan_a | I like having a configurable BL with a menu - others want the fastest boot possible. Reading a config file would slow down the bootup time |
| 20:08:27 | Gnelik | We can do def? |
| 20:09:19 | dan_a | I don't understand |
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| 20:10:32 | Gnelik | #define GRAPHIC_AND_CONF |
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| 20:11:27 | [j] | hi folks .. any news this week on progress with the 5.5g ipods (80gigs)? i've got one, and am eager to put ipodlinux on it .. if there's anything i can do to help, please give the word .. |
| 20:11:32 | [j] | s/ipodlinux/rockbox/ |
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| 20:14:51 | * | Gnelik is dancing No bugs! No bugs! |
| 20:14:59 | dan_a | Gnelik: I don't know. If you could please everybody, then that would be even better. Maybe only have it bring up the menu if a certain button is pressed, otherwise it works as it does at the moment. And see what effects your graphical work have on the code size of the bootloader too - the bigger it is, the slower it will load especially if the cache is disabled. |
| 20:16:19 | Gnelik | dan_a: i have the problem with strange sybols on screen after loading OF |
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| 20:17:37 | dan_a | Gnelik: Is that on the second time you run it? That (as far as I can tell) is because the timer interrupt does not get enabled in the bootloader. The first time it runs, it has been enabled but the Sansa firmware. |
| 20:19:48 | Gnelik | dan_a:yep |
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| 20:25:39 | torpor_ | linuxstb: 11.41.06 # <linuxstb> Good. All I need now is a 5.5G owner... |
| 20:25:45 | torpor_ | <−− ipod 5.5G owner |
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| 20:26:09 | torpor_ | willing to test/help/do anything that might get us futher on the 5.5g ipods. i have one. |
| 20:29:49 | Slasheri | ideally bootloader should not display anything and just load rockbox as soon as possible |
| 20:30:10 | Slasheri | that's how it works on iriver with ram/rom image in flash |
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| 20:31:55 | Gnelik | Slasheri: but dualboot? |
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| 20:33:32 | linuxstb | Reio2: What happens when you hold the PLAY button? |
| 20:33:36 | Slasheri | hmm.. maybe you could have some graphics on it if you keep it just enough simple |
| 20:35:50 | dan_a | Slasheri: Gnelik is trying to make a bootloader with a menu, similar to loader2 |
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| 20:43:06 | Cassandra | Hey amicon - your coldfire bug fix - does it have any implications for battery life? |
| 20:43:34 | amiconn | Depends on whether audio files might be loaded unaligned |
| 20:44:09 | Cassandra | Ah, a definite maybe then. |
| 20:44:11 | amiconn | I wonder what I did at devcon. This bug dates back to march... |
| 20:44:41 | Cassandra | Drank beer and ate pizza, I believe. |
| 20:44:54 | Cassandra | It was nice pizza though. |
| 20:45:08 | linuxstb | And plot release dates... |
| 20:45:20 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 20:47:22 | Cassandra | It was a fine plan. Shame it didn't turn out to be practical. |
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| 20:48:05 | amiconn | Surely because our release manager vanished for a number of months ;) |
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| 20:49:33 | Cassandra | amiconn: Yeah. She sucks. |
| 20:49:52 | Cassandra | As does the PR girl. |
| 20:51:22 | Cassandra | Frankly we should stop paying them both. |
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| 21:01:42 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Are you still around? |
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| 21:06:18 | webguest17 | hi |
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| 21:06:41 | webguest17 | im trying to connect via IRC but the link isnt working correctly |
| 21:06:52 | webguest17 | can someone tell me the server name and port? |
| 21:06:53 | Lars_G | ... what? |
| 21:07:05 | Lars_G | connect via irc.... you ARE connected via irc! |
| 21:07:08 | webguest17 | lol |
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| 21:07:13 | webguest17 | im using the web gui |
| 21:07:21 | Cassandra | irc.freenode.net |
| 21:07:28 | Cassandra | 6667, I believe |
| 21:07:29 | Lars_G | webguest17: irc.us.freenode.net or irc.eu.freenode.net |
| 21:07:53 | linuxstb | webguest17: Go here for help. http://freenode.net/ |
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| 21:08:01 | Atomicsunset | ok thanks |
| 21:08:01 | PaulPosition | dan_a: yup.. |
| 21:08:09 | Atomicsunset | dunno why it wouldnt work a min ago |
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| 21:08:17 | Lars_G | Btw since you're using the "web gui" and you're in IRC you can suspect the web gui conencts to IRC, usually when this is done via a Java Applet the server and port are specified as parameters to the applet's <Object> in the source.... |
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| 21:08:39 | Lars_G | And of course he disconnects before I hit enter. i swear when I die I'll look for the spirit of Murphy and beat the crap out of it |
| 21:08:48 | Atomicsunset | lol im here |
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| 21:09:04 | Atomicsunset | i just joined |
| 21:09:26 | PaulPosition | Dan_a: The 'data abort' happens at 0x00035408, just after .text 0x000353a4 0xb0 /home/user/rockbox-devel/build/apps/dsp_arm.o |
| 21:09:36 | Atomicsunset | i have 2 questions regarding this bad ass program |
| 21:09:57 | Atomicsunset | where can i find the album art patch for Ipod video |
| 21:10:11 | dan_a | PaulPosition: I'm just having a look at the crossfade problem - can you just confirm that using the original bootloader with a new firmware and the new bootloader with the new firmware you get the same problem |
| 21:10:34 | Atomicsunset | and im trying to get a theme to work correctly but im not sure if my ipod supports the bottom play menu |
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| 21:11:28 | PaulPosition | Dan_a - Okay, going to test with original Boot + patched f/w as it's the only combination I haven't tried. :) |
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| 21:12:12 | dan_a | Thanks - I just want to make sure I'm looking at the right problem :D |
| 21:15:20 | PaulPosition | dan_a : clean h10.mi4 + patched f/w just hangs on bootloader after it calculated Sum: (sum of what, I dunno, but there...) |
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| 21:15:39 | Cassandra | Hmm - anyone get any idea why my audioscrobbler log never seems to record the first track of an album? |
| 21:15:54 | linuxstb | Atomicsunset: Album art patch is on the patch tracker - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 (latest versions of the patch are at the very bottom). You could also look here for an unofficial build which includes album art: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 |
| 21:16:20 | Lear | Ouch, SBR_LOW_POWER is pretty b0rked... |
| 21:16:22 | PaulPosition | Cassandra - Nope but it seems its a common problem, a guy has been bitching on misticriver (go figure!) about that and I think someone raised a bug in flyspray (not sure) |
| 21:16:40 | Atomicsunset | i think i found a patch. but its in html. not too sure where to save the text to or as |
| 21:17:39 | PaulPosition | Dan_a : Also just so you not look in the wrong place, it's crossFEED and not crossFADE. ;) |
| 21:18:09 | Cassandra | PaulPosition, I've noticed a couple of oddities like tracks I skipped appearing in the logs too. |
| 21:18:21 | Cassandra | Not sure I can be arsed to do anything about it though. |
| 21:18:54 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Sometimes my fingers don't type what my brain is thinking! |
| 21:19:18 | PaulPosition | dan_a : No trouble man, just didn't want to send you on a red herring. |
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| 21:31:04 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Can you send me your rockbox.elf file, for the firmware which crashes? If I'm right about where the problem is then I'll need to get help with it, because it's beyond me. |
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| 21:33:36 | PaulPosition | dan_a : I sure can, will send to the address I got from the dev mailing list, right? |
| 21:34:10 | dan_a | PaulPosition: That's fine |
| 21:35:59 | PaulPosition | dan_a : Is that one of the files that is created during 'make'? (I last built an unpatched version, so I would need to patch and rebuild right?) |
| 21:37:08 | dan_a | PaulPosition: It is. It will be in <build_dir>/apps/ - and you will need to patch and rebuild - sorry! |
| 21:37:25 | dan_a | And thank you for your help in debugging this, by the way |
| 21:37:44 | PaulPosition | no problem, started compiling already. |
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| 21:41:12 | * | Bagder got a sortof "Gentlemen ..." mail |
| 21:42:43 | dan_a | Bagder: is it going to get forwarded? |
| 21:42:48 | Bagder | check your mailbox |
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| 21:43:21 | Bagder | "I have sound (well, sort of, kind of)" / MrH |
| 21:43:57 | dan_a | Cool! |
| 21:44:24 | Bagder | bloody cool |
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| 21:44:43 | PaulPosition | dan_a : Sent the rockbox.elf file just now. And thanks YOU, btw. |
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| 21:46:43 | richardablitt | Hi |
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| 21:46:49 | PaulPosition | Anyone ever created a 'how to put graphics into bootloader' tutorial of any kind? There are a few things in P.I.Julius patch I can't understand (like he drawing over 320*256 and not 320*240) |
| 21:47:08 | PaulPosition | (I do understand this in no 'official'... just looking for a hint.) |
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| 21:52:30 | Bagder | 256 is just plain wrong |
| 21:52:34 | richardablitt | Does anyone know whether it's likely that Rockbox (or anything similar) will run on a Sigmatel 3500 based mp3 player in the foreseeable future? |
| 21:52:55 | PaulPosition | badger - Maybe I just plain read it bad... :p |
| 21:53:02 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 21:53:16 | Cassandra | Bagder: Two things - (1) can I have a little bit of the main Rockbox website for my installer. (2) do you think there's some way we can sort out voice files so that I can automate downloads? |
| 21:54:09 | Bagder | 1) sure tell me what I can do 2) we've been discussing autobuilding voices that should simplify this |
| 21:54:20 | Cassandra | richardablitt, only if someone decides to port it. Please see the FAQ for more details on new ports. |
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| 21:56:06 | Cassandra | 1) Erm, make http://www.rockbox.org/installer/ and give me write access somehow and 2) that'd be great - is it worth standardising something in the meantime, or is that likely to be imminent? |
| 21:57:16 | dan_a | Bagder: Who is going to approach Austriamicrosystems? |
| 21:57:34 | Bagder | I'll be back later to respond, have to take care of a tiny son now for a while |
| 21:57:41 | Cassandra | dan_a, who they? |
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| 21:58:48 | dan_a | Cassandra: They make an analogue interface which appears to be integrated into the PP5024, as used in the Sansa |
| 21:59:19 | dan_a | But their datasheets aren't available for download |
| 21:59:32 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 21:59:41 | Atomicsunset | where do you put patches? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:08 | Cassandra | That depends what you want to do with them. In the patch tracker? |
| 22:00:27 | Atomicsunset | i want to find the album art patch... |
| 22:00:32 | Atomicsunset | i can prolly find it |
| 22:00:40 | Atomicsunset | but when i do i dunno where to put it |
| 22:01:07 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Do you have a compiling environment set up? |
| 22:01:16 | Atomicsunset | nope |
| 22:01:23 | Atomicsunset | im very very new to the rockbox |
| 22:01:36 | Atomicsunset | i just installed yesterday |
| 22:02:01 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - Yeeow. You'd best look for an already compiled Build with albumart then, because else you're in for a lot of learning. :p |
| 22:02:03 | Atomicsunset | but ive seen some impressive screenshots of album art and a play/pause menu at the bottom of the screen |
| 22:02:04 | pixelma | Atomicsunset: did you follow the links linuxstb gave you? |
| 22:02:14 | Cassandra | Erm - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 22:03:40 | Cassandra | While most of us just put stuff on the wiki to amuse ourselves, it can occasionally accidentally contain information that's useful to other people too. |
| 22:03:55 | Cassandra | We try to avoid it wherever possible, however. |
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| 22:04:28 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset: What player do you possess? Many people have done, and updated, builds that integrate the most common patches used together with albumart (ie, multiple fonts, bmp_resize, etc..) |
| 22:04:42 | Atomicsunset | im using a 30g video ipod |
| 22:04:57 | Atomicsunset | id like a simple unzip here and reboot :P |
| 22:05:13 | Atomicsunset | but theres a serious lack of readmes in the files :P |
| 22:05:40 | PaulPosition | Yeah, well a .patch is just source code that needs to be inserted or replacing other source code.. |
| 22:05:43 | PaulPosition | wait a second. |
| 22:06:15 | Atomicsunset | k |
| 22:06:19 | Atomicsunset | thanks paul |
| 22:08:24 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - Read that page about one such theme, the jBlackGlass. Of PARTICULAR INTEREST to you is the part, a bit lower down the screen, where he talks about the precompiled builts. PiJulius is *the* iPod theme man. ;) ===> http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
| 22:08:47 | PaulPosition | (That's from his blog, but the WPS gallery has many other of his themes) |
| 22:09:09 | Atomicsunset | im using that theme.. |
| 22:09:23 | Atomicsunset | but i cant seem to get the menu at the bottom of my ipod |
| 22:09:34 | Atomicsunset | just the background and the header bar |
| 22:09:55 | PaulPosition | Well the theme is the theme and that's all. Do you also have the prebuilt binaries? Did you overwrite the files like he explains? |
| 22:10:03 | Atomicsunset | and my list starts at the top of my screen instead of right below the header |
| 22:10:43 | amiconn | Crap, why would dma miss ata data while reading?? |
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| 22:11:36 | Atomicsunset | i havent over written anything |
| 22:12:15 | PaulPosition | Okay. Have you just looked at the image at the top of the page and thought "well this is not for me"?? Because if so, well *this* is not for *me*. |
| 22:12:53 | Atomicsunset | lol |
| 22:13:06 | Atomicsunset | i saw the image and thought "wow i want my ipod to do that" |
| 22:13:18 | Atomicsunset | and now im in the process of figuring out how |
| 22:13:44 | PaulPosition | I understand. So you downloaded themes, with fonts and such and installed that. It loads but it's not all right. No album art. Text in wrong place. |
| 22:13:46 | Atomicsunset | i found the patches but dont understand how to implement them |
| 22:13:53 | Atomicsunset | right |
| 22:14:04 | Atomicsunset | also i dont have the bottom play/pause menu |
| 22:14:30 | Atomicsunset | mine looks like the image on the right side of his page |
| 22:14:38 | Atomicsunset | id like it to look like the image on the left |
| 22:14:44 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Did you miss that part where I told you to look for 'precompiled binaries' ? |
| 22:14:52 | Atomicsunset | yes i did |
| 22:14:56 | Atomicsunset | ill look now |
| 22:15:14 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - good thing... Do you know if your video is 4th or 5th gen? |
| 22:15:21 | Atomicsunset | 5th |
| 22:15:40 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - So in the choices he'll provide, you'll need the file for 5G. |
| 22:15:48 | Atomicsunset | downloading now |
| 22:16:14 | Atomicsunset | so i just replace everything with his? |
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| 22:18:25 | Atomicsunset | and then upload his themes? |
| 22:18:30 | tucoz | bluebrother, around? |
| 22:18:37 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Everything that in his, yes. If you want you can make a backup of your current .rockbox folder so that if it doesn't work well (it's about a month old) you don't need to redownload. |
| 22:19:04 | Atomicsunset | ok stoopid question... |
| 22:19:09 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Yeah, maybe turn the hold switch on while rebooting so as to clear the settings too. |
| 22:19:26 | Atomicsunset | i have I:\.rockbox |
| 22:19:33 | Atomicsunset | i have I:\.rockbox\.Rockbox |
| 22:19:56 | Atomicsunset | which do i replace? and do i need the 2nd level .rockbox |
| 22:20:04 | PaulPosition | okay, you unloaded it one folder too far. I usually unzip on my desktop and the copy over by drag and drop.. |
| 22:20:08 | tucoz | Any objections to adding the GPL to the appendix of the manual? |
| 22:20:53 | tucoz | I have downloaded the FSF's .tex version, and only commented out enough to make it includable in our manual. |
| 22:21:27 | * | Atomicsunset crossing fingers |
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| 22:22:39 | tucoz | hmm. i think i'll have to fix some more in that document |
| 22:22:44 | Atomicsunset | it looks the same only this time i have a codec failure |
| 22:22:50 | Atomicsunset | and music wont play |
| 22:22:56 | Cassandra | tucoz: I don't see much point in adding it, to be honest. |
| 22:23:10 | PaulPosition | did you clear settings? |
| 22:23:18 | Atomicsunset | no |
| 22:23:19 | Atomicsunset | sorry |
| 22:23:27 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - menu->system->clear settings |
| 22:23:50 | tucoz | Cassandra, why? Look at other software distributors. They include all the licences they come up with in their user docs |
| 22:24:23 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Don't be sorry. It might well not work as it's a bit old, albeit I'd be surprised no one whined too much about it. If it doesn't we'll search a bit more. :) |
| 22:24:33 | tucoz | After all. The GPL is quite important for rockbox. And by including it in the manual, we ensure that there is no doubt what license Rockbox is under. |
| 22:24:45 | Atomicsunset | i dont have a system-clear settings |
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| 22:26:17 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Sorry.. menu->manage settings->reset settings |
| 22:26:21 | Lear | amiconn: I do believe that fix of yours noticably speeded up bookmark creation... |
| 22:26:27 | Atomicsunset | did that |
| 22:26:32 | Atomicsunset | codec error |
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| 22:26:35 | roolku | wooooot! |
| 22:26:40 | Atomicsunset | no fancy background :P |
| 22:26:46 | * | roolku has a h120 with RTC ! |
| 22:27:03 | Lear | atomicsunset: and you included all files in .rockbox when installing? |
| 22:27:06 | tucoz | roolku, wow |
| 22:27:10 | Atomicsunset | yes |
| 22:27:14 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Well that codec error is preocuppying. No point having a nice theme if no sound anyway. |
| 22:27:20 | Atomicsunset | right |
| 22:27:28 | Atomicsunset | i overwrote everything |
| 22:27:40 | PaulPosition | Lear - We tried applying Pi.Julius's binaries to it. Maybe I'll find some other build for him to try... |
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| 22:27:53 | Atomicsunset | only thing is i didnt "see" the rockbox.ipod file |
| 22:28:08 | amiconn | Lear: Really? I wouldn't have expected that, as I would expect all internal buffers (e.g. for the bookmark file) to be at least word aligned |
| 22:28:15 | Lear | That can be in .rockbox, but doublecheck to be sure. |
| 22:28:16 | amiconn | Also, bookmarks are tiny... |
| 22:28:40 | Atomicsunset | i saw it in the rar file |
| 22:28:44 | Atomicsunset | but not in the windows file |
| 22:29:28 | Atomicsunset | i didnt extract it |
| 22:29:30 | Lear | amiconn: Not sure, true, as disk spinup time makes it a bit hard to judge. |
| 22:29:33 | Atomicsunset | would that cause the issue |
| 22:29:45 | Atomicsunset | i only extracted the .rockbox |
| 22:29:50 | Atomicsunset | not the rockbox.ipod |
| 22:30:01 | PaulPosition | You'd need the rockbox.ipod |
| 22:30:03 | Lear | You need to take the .ipod file too. They are closely related. |
| 22:30:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Meh, want another example of the coldfire manuals being clear as mud? :\ |
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| 22:30:21 | roolku | http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/h120_rtc.jpg |
| 22:30:35 | PaulPosition | Should go straight into the root of the player, if it's like my rockbox.h10 file.. |
| 22:31:01 | petur | roolku: impressive wires sticking out ;) |
| 22:31:07 | Atomicsunset | my computer isnt recognizing the player now... |
| 22:31:45 | roolku | yes, one is the alarm interrupt, one the backup voltage and the grey stuff the rs-232 interface :) |
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| 22:32:26 | roolku | now where can I connect the alarm line... |
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| 22:33:01 | Atomicsunset | ummm |
| 22:33:12 | Atomicsunset | my computer doesnt recognize my ipod now |
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| 22:33:42 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Does your ipod recognise your computer though? |
| 22:33:47 | Atomicsunset | yes |
| 22:33:54 | Atomicsunset | it knows its plugged in |
| 22:33:58 | Atomicsunset | but thats about it |
| 22:34:08 | Atomicsunset | the computer doesnt give my access to it |
| 22:34:21 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Hmm, maybe some enumeration problem which happens when you plug unplug plug ... too often (I think). I would try rebooting the computer but I can't say for sure. |
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| 22:34:30 | Atomicsunset | brb |
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| 22:35:57 | Cassandra | roolku, what the hell did you do to that H120? |
| 22:36:30 | tucoz | Cassandra, even if you see little point in adding the GPL. Do you have anything against it, apart from that? |
| 22:36:33 | roolku | clock plugin works as well: http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/clock_plugin.jpg |
| 22:36:45 | roolku | cassandra: I have enhanced it. :) |
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| 22:37:16 | Atomicsunset | no go paul |
| 22:37:21 | Atomicsunset | computer doesnt know its there |
| 22:37:43 | Cassandra | that'd be 'enhanced' Borg stylee, yes? |
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| 22:37:46 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - What OS? |
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| 22:37:55 | Atomicsunset | win xp mce 05 |
| 22:38:07 | roolku | cassandra: hehe - I am going to tidy it up |
| 22:38:20 | Cassandra | Hmm. My mother is buying me a DS Lite for Christmas. Wonder if I could run Rockbox on it. |
| 22:38:24 | roolku | it is just 'proof of concept' so far |
| 22:38:31 | Lear | atomicsunset: You may need to boot the iPod in that special disk mode (don't know how though)... |
| 22:38:51 | Atomicsunset | lol i got it |
| 22:38:54 | Atomicsunset | dunno how |
| 22:39:03 | Atomicsunset | i just shut it down and plugged it in |
| 22:39:20 | Atomicsunset | ok so im gonna copy over the .ipod file |
| 22:39:31 | Cassandra | roolku - Was something I really missed on my H140. |
| 22:39:32 | Bagder | markun: congrats on your highscore today! ;-) |
| 22:39:35 | Atomicsunset | man i just about pissed myself when i couldnt connect |
| 22:39:43 | PaulPosition | Atomic - well, well. yes. Actually there should be one already in the root folder which you'll overwrite. |
| 22:40:15 | roolku | Cassandra: yes, I missed it so much I decided to add it |
| 22:40:39 | Atomicsunset | im just hoping that it controls the codecs |
| 22:40:47 | PaulPosition | Atomic - So, before you reboot |
| 22:41:13 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - To confirm that you copied everything in the right place... |
| 22:41:33 | roolku | unfortunately I killed my second chip in the process (the pin for Vbackup came off) so I'll have to wait to get another before I can add it to my h140 (the h120 is just for experimentation) |
| 22:41:58 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - In .rockbox you should have a viewers.config file that's date 30 sept... right? |
| 22:42:06 | roolku | enough gloating - back to work... |
| 22:42:28 | Cassandra | roolku - kudos to you. I'm surprised it's even possible. |
| 22:42:32 | Atomicsunset | yes |
| 22:43:08 | Atomicsunset | so now i should try to play music again |
| 22:43:09 | Atomicsunset | ? |
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| 22:43:29 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset: You should. |
| 22:43:34 | Atomicsunset | ok sweet |
| 22:43:40 | Atomicsunset | i have the new splash screen |
| 22:43:43 | Atomicsunset | music works.. |
| 22:43:55 | Bagder | dan_a: I'll request a datasheet for the AS31515 => http://www.austriamicrosystems.com/03products/products_detail/AS3515/request_product_AS3515_datasheet.htm |
| 22:44:11 | Atomicsunset | everything is better placement |
| 22:44:15 | PaulPosition | atomicunset - up till now, that sounds good. :) |
| 22:44:28 | Atomicsunset | i still dont have the bottom play/pause menu |
| 22:45:01 | Atomicsunset | lol the track info while playing is up way high |
| 22:45:06 | dan_a | Bagder: Thanks. Hopefully they will be helpful. I'm just searching to see if anything similar is available for public download anywhere, but I've not found anything yet |
| 22:45:12 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Of course you'll need to create all those pesky cover.bmp files now. |
| 22:45:18 | Atomicsunset | thats fine |
| 22:45:23 | PaulPosition | Hmm. |
| 22:45:24 | Atomicsunset | where do i put them? |
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| 22:45:49 | Atomicsunset | and is there a way to get the bottom play/pause menu to work ? |
| 22:46:43 | Lear | Beats me if anything actually went wrong with that build... :) CVS page does look a bit odd though. |
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| 22:47:40 | Atomicsunset | my track info is way up in the top left corner |
| 22:47:49 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - I can't say for sure. I usually clear settings everytime I change theme. Also some themes could get broken from small changes in the current cvs, etc. Best bet would be to write to the guy's blog, at the address I gave you earlier. |
| 22:48:02 | Arathis | PaulPosition: could you give me the link to barrys bootloader patch? couldn't find it in the irc-log |
| 22:48:06 | PaulPosition | (clearing settings sometimes help, sometimes not) |
| 22:48:13 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Yep, one second please :) |
| 22:48:18 | Atomicsunset | i cleared 2x now |
| 22:48:20 | Atomicsunset | thats cool |
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| 22:48:28 | Atomicsunset | thanks for all your patience and help paul |
| 22:48:33 | tucoz | Bagder, new target on the cvs page? |
| 22:48:36 | PaulPosition | you're welcome. |
| 22:48:43 | Arathis | PaulPosition: or do you have a working bootloader for the h20? :D |
| 22:49:18 | * | amiconn is puzzled |
| 22:49:19 | Bagder | tucoz: yeah, I'm adding sansa normal and boot builds |
| 22:49:25 | tucoz | cool |
| 22:49:33 | amiconn | ATA dma works as long as I don't use auto-align |
| 22:49:34 | Bagder | although I think I've made some minor mistakes |
| 22:49:39 | PaulPosition | Arathis - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-12/0002.shtml |
| 22:49:51 | Bagder | which is why it turned red |
| 22:49:55 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Sorry, never compiled for other target than mine. |
| 22:49:57 | amiconn | (but then it's slower than the asm optimised transfer) |
| 22:50:11 | Arathis | PaulPosition: which is yours? |
| 22:50:22 | PaulPosition | 5gb |
| 22:50:25 | amiconn | As soon as I enable auto-align, reading obviously misses data words.... that doesn't make sense |
| 22:50:29 | Arathis | k. thx for the link |
| 22:50:41 | amiconn | I almost suspect a bug in the mcf5249 dma controller... |
| 22:51:54 | PaulPosition | Arathis - If you build and test, please do tell if the crossfeed freeze the player. :) |
| 22:52:17 | Arathis | I'll try. |
| 22:53:35 | Arathis | PaulPosition: i only need to build the bootloader and use normal cvs or daily build, right? |
| 22:54:18 | PaulPosition | Nope, alas. Mixes up will hang during boot. You need both. |
| 22:55:34 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Don't forget to ../tools/scramble the bootloader and if you want to test dualboot, to unencrypt the original.mi4 file. :) |
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| 22:56:35 | Bagder | I got an all italian email today with an mi4 attachment... :-) |
| 22:57:28 | PaulPosition | Badger: Nice.. Alas Babbelfish doesn't decrypt as well as mi4code tool... |
| 22:57:42 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:03:27 | netmasta10bt | so it seems the as3515 is integrated in the pp5022 |
| 23:04:22 | Arathis | PaulPosition: could you give me a litte summary on how to make that? in the wiki I can look up how to apply the patch, but I really don't know what to do than and how to do it :/ |
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| 23:04:33 | Bagder | netmasta10bt: I've requested a data sheet now... we'll see what happens |
| 23:04:34 | dan_a | netmasta10bt: It would seem so |
| 23:04:44 | netmasta10bt | very cool |
| 23:04:59 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Hmm.. I'm not so sure about the scramble tool useage. Lemme have a look I'll get back to you. |
| 23:05:03 | dan_a | Maybe - if we can get a data sheet |
| 23:05:48 | Arathis | PaulPosition: perhaps a pm at misticriver or rockbox forum? haven't got the time for it now. if you can't make it I'll ask barry |
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| 23:06:48 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Well, I can start building a 20g for you if you're not in toooooo much of a hurry. |
| 23:07:02 | PaulPosition | arathis - can't guarantee it will work good though. :) |
| 23:07:27 | Arathis | I like doing it myself ^^ |
| 23:08:03 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Then wait a second, I'm trying to find out what code to scramble the H20 with. |
| 23:08:04 | Arathis | I'm not in a hurry, but for testing reasons it would be better if I'd know how to build it myself |
| 23:08:12 | PaulPosition | sure. :) |
| 23:08:54 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Well, if you have checked-out the whole rockbox-devel cvs (so you have the 'bootloader' folder) we could try and walk you through. |
| 23:11:29 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Where you at? Patched? |
| 23:11:31 | Arathis | checked it out some hours ago via vmware debian (though I haven't managed to compile on my linux machine till now: arm-elf-gcc problems :/) |
| 23:11:50 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Yeah, I use the cmware image meself. |
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| 23:12:03 | PaulPosition | vmware. |
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| 23:12:49 | Natalic1 | I got a question...Anyone use the iPOD photo? |
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| 23:13:35 | PaulPosition | Many people do, although maybe not online at the moment. Do ask, however :) |
| 23:14:25 | Natalic1 | i was going to make a program to auto-install rockbox |
| 23:14:30 | Natalic1 | for the photo. |
| 23:14:34 | PaulPosition | Arathis - You still alive? |
| 23:15:05 | Arathis | PaulPosition: a bit of ^^ (11am here) |
| 23:15:08 | PaulPosition | Matalic - You should have a talk with Cassandra, I think she's working on a superinstaller at the moment... |
| 23:15:47 | Natalic1 | they are not around are they? |
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| 23:16:56 | PaulPosition | Arathis - lol.. Okay, when you have a question on building just ask me. |
| 23:17:38 | PaulPosition | Matalix1 - Cassandra was around not long ago, but she might be knee-deep in code (or in real-life) right now.. |
| 23:18:01 | Natalic1 | Oh another question, my iPod totally froze when I was using Rockbox after listening to a song for 5 minutes |
| 23:18:01 | PaulPosition | sry, Mattalic1. |
| 23:18:06 | Natalic1 | Its ok:-p |
| 23:18:10 | Natalic1 | spelling doesn't matter to me |
| 23:18:29 | PaulPosition | matalic - When is your build from? |
| 23:18:33 | petur | rofl |
| 23:18:37 | pixelma | PaulPosition: read again ;) |
| 23:18:46 | Natalic1 | well it was off the "daily: |
| 23:18:47 | Natalic1 | so |
| 23:18:56 | Natalic1 | i wasn't too surprised |
| 23:19:04 | Natalic1 | i wanted to see the code to ipodpatcher |
| 23:19:12 | * | Cassandra uses a iPod Video, anyway. Or was there a different question? |
| 23:19:12 | PaulPosition | pixelma - yeah, I'm a lean mean typo-making machine.. |
| 23:19:28 | * | Cassandra is planning to be deep in her duvet before too long, actually. |
| 23:19:47 | Natalic1 | Cassandra, I'm going to code an installer for iPod photo |
| 23:19:53 | PaulPosition | Cassamdra - it was more along the line of " <Natalic1> i was going to make a program to auto-install rockbox" |
| 23:20:03 | PaulPosition | Aren't you like working on one? |
| 23:20:09 | Cassandra | rbutil already works for the iPod photo. |
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| 23:20:20 | Natalic1 | o, where can i get it? |
| 23:20:29 | kubiix | Natalic1: freezing of daily build for iPod Photo can be caused by some bug in CPU boosting |
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| 23:21:00 | Cassandra | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 23:21:16 | Natalic1 | I do PHP coding if anyone needs it |
| 23:21:21 | Cassandra | No bootloader installation yet, but soon, maybe. |
| 23:21:47 | Natalic1 | I was going to do that |
| 23:21:54 | Natalic1 | Mine would patch everything |
| 23:21:57 | Natalic1 | and check for the ipod |
| 23:22:00 | Natalic1 | and do the processing |
| 23:22:14 | Natalic1 | because it looks like this uses a lot of clumpy code |
| 23:22:25 | Cassandra | Well, if you GPL it, I'll probably stick the relevent code in rockbox utility too. |
| 23:22:35 | Natalic1 | widgets and that are crazy |
| 23:22:48 | Cassandra | Well, each to her own. |
| 23:22:58 | Natalic1 | thing is i need ipodpatcher's source, otherwise i actually have to pipe the data |
| 23:23:08 | n1s | ther's already a "rockbox x installer" for the ipods |
| 23:23:16 | Natalic1 | x/ |
| 23:23:17 | Natalic1 | ? |
| 23:23:26 | Bagder | and the ipodpatcher's code is there for download |
| 23:23:44 | Natalic1 | i couldn't find it |
| 23:23:49 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
| 23:23:58 | Natalic1 | :-s need any php coding done? |
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| 23:24:50 | Bagder | you'd write an installer using php? |
| 23:25:04 | Natalic1 | :)) C++ |
| 23:25:09 | Natalic1 | i just want to do some PHP coding |
| 23:25:35 | Bagder | personally, I'm not very fond of C++ nor PHP ;-) |
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| 23:25:46 | Natalic1 | well delphi is nice |
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| 23:26:05 | Cassandra | C++ is fine for GUI development. |
| 23:26:13 | Natalic1 | no, its terrible=)) |
| 23:26:27 | ani-adom | hi |
| 23:26:30 | Natalic1 | it takes a lot of subclassing |
| 23:26:35 | Cassandra | *shrug* |
| 23:26:36 | kubiix | I use C# |
| 23:26:39 | Natalic1 | eww |
| 23:26:44 | Natalic1 | .net sucks |
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| 23:27:44 | Cassandra | Natalic1, you seem to be awfully judgemental. |
| 23:28:10 | Bagder | lots of strong words |
| 23:28:19 | Natalic1 | i use microsoft's stuff |
| 23:28:32 | Natalic1 | i use VS 2003 for god's sakes:| |
| 23:28:34 | ani-adom | is it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang? |
| 23:28:38 | Cassandra | If there's one thing I've learnt in the fifteen years since I started in the IT industry is that pretty much everything has its own strengths and weaknesses. |
| 23:28:48 | Natalic1 | :| |
| 23:28:58 | Natalic1 | You have been doing that as long as I've been alive almost. |
| 23:29:21 | Bagder | hey, then you should be in bed by now! ;-) |
| 23:29:26 | Natalic1 | I'm 17 |
| 23:29:40 | Natalic1 | And it's only 5:29 PM here. |
| 23:29:45 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:29:55 | Natalic1 | And don't let my age fool you... |
| 23:29:57 | Bagder | I'm 36 and its 23:28 here |
| 23:30:06 | Natalic1 | So its 11pm? |
| 23:30:09 | Natalic1 | thats nice. |
| 23:30:10 | Cassandra | Oh, I don't think it did. |
| 23:30:11 | * | petur copies Bagder |
| 23:30:25 | petur | except it's 23:30 |
| 23:30:36 | Bagder | hm yes it is |
| 23:30:42 | ani-adom | is it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang? |
| 23:30:45 | Bagder | why's my clock off... |
| 23:30:46 | Natalic1 | I use C++,PHP,Assembler,VB,and OSs I have a lot under my belt. |
| 23:31:08 | Bagder | yeah sure, for two weeks each |
| 23:31:15 | Bagder | :-P |
| 23:31:16 | Natalic1 | ...two weeks? |
| 23:31:17 | Natalic1 | :)) |
| 23:31:28 | Natalic1 | Me and Mac Os and Linux go WAY back |
| 23:31:45 | Natalic1 | I was incharge of fixing my school's computers for an old teacher |
| 23:31:54 | Natalic1 | I was sent around the school to repair them |
| 23:32:20 | * | Bagder learned assembler around 1986 |
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| 23:32:32 | Natalic1 | Well, ASM I just toy with |
| 23:32:41 | Natalic1 | It's too much mov'ing for me. |
| 23:32:58 | Bagder | luxury! in my days we had lda sta! ;-O |
| 23:33:02 | Cassandra | Bagder is even older than me. Sucks to be him. |
| 23:33:13 | Natalic1 | Hahaha, poor people. |
| 23:33:17 | Natalic1 | Should I even make the installer? |
| 23:33:44 | Cassandra | If you want to, sure. |
| 23:33:49 | Bagder | I would think that the people mostly needing an installer isn't around here to reply! |
| 23:34:07 | Natalic1 | I don't have anything but ipod |
| 23:34:09 | Natalic1 | I got a palm |
| 23:34:10 | Natalic1 | :( |
| 23:34:14 | Natalic1 | i want a hack for that |
| 23:34:15 | Natalic1 | so bad |
| 23:34:32 | XavierGr | roolku: Grats on your terrific mod |
| 23:34:59 | XavierGr | roolku: Please make a nice wiki page with pics and detailed instructions, I am very interested in this |
| 23:35:28 | ani-adom | is it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang? |
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| 23:35:51 | cubic_cube | hello internet |
| 23:35:58 | Bagder | ani-adom: I don't understand the question? You mean if you can set the language in a theme file? |
| 23:36:00 | Natalic1 | I have been trying to find something to program. |
| 23:36:02 | Cassandra | "Rockbox Installer X is the latest development from the team of developers that brought you the original Rockbox Installer for Windows iPods." |
| 23:36:09 | ani-adom | Bagder: yes |
| 23:36:14 | Bagder | ani-adom: then yes |
| 23:36:16 | Cassandra | You know, I'm pretty sure I wrote the original installer. |
| 23:36:19 | ani-adom | ammm |
| 23:36:31 | Natalic1 | I haven't been able to make anything lately. |
| 23:36:32 | ani-adom | Bagder: what sould i write? |
| 23:36:39 | Natalic1 | Because I can not think of anything |
| 23:36:48 | ani-adom | i want to see n example |
| 23:37:15 | Bagder | I don't remember off the top of my head, you can most certainly figure it out if you try |
| 23:39:46 | Cassandra | Try the wiki. It's full of instructiony type things. |
| 23:40:05 | Natalic1 | Can one of you maybe give me an idea of a program to make? |
| 23:40:28 | Bagder | Natalic1: we have 300+ open feature requests! |
| 23:40:33 | ani-adom | Cassandra: in rockbox org? |
| 23:40:56 | Natalic1 | But I don't know how to make anything like that, never had to:| |
| 23:41:46 | Bagder | "<Natalic1> I use C++,PHP,Assembler,VB,and OSs I have a lot under my belt." |
| 23:41:55 | Cassandra | ani-adom, yes. |
| 23:42:01 | Natalic1 | yes, but RockBox isn't a windows app:(( |
| 23:42:27 | Cassandra | Rockbox is a C program. Just like any other. |
| 23:42:45 | Natalic1 | but, i don't have the environment to test either |
| 23:42:45 | Cassandra | If you can write C, you can develop Rockbox. |
| 23:43:14 | Cassandra | There's a VMware image of the environment on the wiki also. |
| 23:43:15 | Arathis | PaulPosition: tried to apply the patch but it gives an error |
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| 23:43:22 | Cassandra | It's amazing how useful that wiki is. |
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| 23:43:45 | Natalic1 | but isn't ipod and whats its really made for different |
| 23:43:46 | Cassandra | And after we try so hard to make sure it contains no information of any practical purpose too. |
| 23:43:51 | Natalic1 | and i dont run vmware, i am not paying for it |
| 23:44:04 | Cassandra | The player is free. |
| 23:44:05 | Bagder | the vmware player is zero price |
| 23:44:22 | Natalic1 | i would have pirated it anyway |
| 23:44:22 | Natalic1 | os |
| 23:44:24 | Natalic1 | so& |
| 23:44:43 | Arathis | PaulPosition: "can't find the file to patch at input line 8" | "Index: bootloader/e200.c" | "RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/bootloader/e200.c,v" |
| 23:44:55 | * | dan_a feels his troll sense tingling |
| 23:44:57 | webguest50 | I just learned about rockbox today, and have a few quick questions. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to help me out? |
| 23:45:36 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Sure you do have the whole rockbox-devel sources? Wait a second, I restart vmware..:) |
| 23:45:41 | dan_a | Arathis: Have you tried using patch -p0 and patch -p1? |
| 23:45:55 | dan_a | webguest50: Ask, and if anyone knows they will help |
| 23:45:57 | Arathis | dan_a: nope |
| 23:46:05 | * | Arathis has no patch experience |
| 23:46:05 | Bagder | looks like a -p0 on that index hint |
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| 23:46:10 | Arathis | PaulPosition: yes :) |
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| 23:46:24 | PaulPosition | lol... They have the answer. |
| 23:46:55 | Arathis | so "patch -p0 < *.patch" ? |
| 23:47:03 | * | amiconn will drop the ide dma idea now |
| 23:47:04 | Natalic1 | ok, where can i get the environment? |
| 23:47:08 | amiconn | On coldfire that is |
| 23:47:32 | PaulPosition | Yeah, if you do this from /rockbox-devel |
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| 23:48:14 | Arathis | btw: what does '-p0' ? |
| 23:48:40 | Arathis | PaulPosition: worked. what next? :) |
| 23:48:41 | PaulPosition | Arathis: removes one folder from path. |
| 23:48:45 | Kasperle | vmware server is now free as well |
| 23:48:57 | roolku | XavierGr: thanks, and I will - it is not very difficult if you got good eyes and a calm hand. :) |
| 23:48:58 | PaulPosition | Arathis: make a folder, like bootbuild or something.. |
| 23:49:01 | amiconn | Kasperle: For quite some time, yes |
| 23:49:03 | Kasperle | it's a bit more powerful than vmware player |
| 23:49:30 | Kasperle | amiconn: yeah. but it seems a lot of people have not yet noticed |
| 23:49:35 | Natalic1 | how do i get the development environment? |
| 23:49:44 | amiconn | For some reason I thought it can only be installed on a server os |
| 23:49:49 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Get in there and ../tools/configure - Choose your target and then <B>ootloader. |
| 23:50:00 | Kasperle | amiconn: i installed it on Windows XP, and on CentOS Linux |
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| 23:50:20 | Arathis | PaulPosition: what about scrambling or whatever? |
| 23:50:22 | * | amiconn has VMware Workstation 5.5 |
| 23:50:33 | Kasperle | that's even nicer :) multiple snapshots |
| 23:50:36 | PaulPosition | Yeah, first those steps. |
| 23:50:45 | Kasperle | vmware server can only do one at a atime |
| 23:50:51 | PaulPosition | Arathis - you ran the configure tool allright? |
| 23:51:34 | Arathis | nope. just asked 'cause I thought it could be that it had to be done before |
| 23:51:48 | Natalic1 | Cassandra, are you there? |
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| 23:51:55 | * | Arathis is running configure tool know |
| 23:51:56 | PaulPosition | Arathis - correct. |
| 23:52:03 | Cassandra | As much as I ever was. |
| 23:52:15 | Natalic1 | K, can we talk in PM or you a chat-only person? |
| 23:52:34 | Amy | I just heard about Rockbox today, and was wondering if someone could answer a few questions? |
| 23:52:43 | Bagder | Amy: shoot |
| 23:52:49 | Cassandra | If you like, although I'm heading off soon. |
| 23:52:55 | PaulPosition | Arathis - When that's done, just type 'make' (without quotes) and wait for it to finish in a few seconds. |
| 23:53:08 | Natalic1 | I just need to know, what is currently not developed for the iPod Photo? |
| 23:53:26 | Arathis | PaulPosition: so what. "correct" means "scrambling has to be done before" or not? |
| 23:53:31 | Cassandra | Erm, in what sense not developed. |
| 23:53:41 | Natalic1 | not implemented |
| 23:53:46 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Nah, sorry for confusion. I meant 'ok!'. |
| 23:54:03 | Cassandra | to be honest, I'm not entirely sure. I have a 5g myself. |
| 23:54:13 | Amy | I have a 60 gig ipod photo formatted for Windows. It already has my music collection and playlists on it. I'm visually impaired but I use itunes to transfer my music to my ipod with no problems. Will rockbox work with itunes? If not, how do I get my music on to my ipod? |
| 23:54:33 | Natalic1 | dual boot? |
| 23:54:38 | Natalic1 | I would say |
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| 23:54:50 | Natalic1 | So should I just develop an installer and give it to u? |
| 23:54:50 | Soap | Amy, Rockbox will work with iTunes, but not nessacarely in the way you are used to. |
| 23:54:53 | PaulPosition | So you create the makefile by hitting ../tools/configure, choosing (14)H10 20gb and (B)ootloader and after that's done you type 'make'. |
| 23:55:08 | linuxstb | Natalic1: See the IpodStatus wiki page (another useful wiki page...) |
| 23:55:11 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Then we'll be scrambling it. |
| 23:55:11 | ani-adom | ammmmm |
| 23:55:21 | Arathis | PaulPosition: okay :) |
| 23:55:33 | Soap | Amy, Rockbox has its own database of track info, similar in many respects to the iTunes datanbase, but not compatible. |
| 23:55:36 | ani-adom | who can i set a codecpage to hebrew 8859 8 in themes? |
| 23:55:50 | Natalic1 | Got a link?... |
| 23:56:14 | linuxstb | www.rockbox.org, then click on the wiki link, then type "IpodStatus" in the "go to" box |
| 23:56:15 | Soap | Amy, There is a tool I have never used in the wiki to convert the iTunes database to the Rockbox database, this is something you would need to run every time you added tracks through iTunes. |
| 23:56:29 | Arathis | PaulPosition: "File encoded successfully" |
| 23:56:51 | Soap | Amy, Rockbox itself can also build the database based upon the tracks it finds on your ipod. |
| 23:57:10 | Amy | Do I still get features such as organization by album/artist/genre and playlists? |
| 23:57:11 | PaulPosition | Arathis - It gave you a few pages of codes, right? If you browse back quickly do you see any 'warning' ? |
| 23:57:14 | Cassandra | Natalic1, I'd be interested to see anything you develop, but you shouldn't do it on my account. I'm still planning how to implement installing the bootloader on rbutil, and I want to do it in a way that means I can do it on any platform supported by Rockbox. |
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| 23:57:36 | Soap | Amy: yes, the rockbox database can be used to display your tracks in a similar manner to the Apple Stock Firmware. |
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| 23:57:55 | ani-adom | who can i set a codecpage to hebrew 8859 8 in themes? |
| 23:58:20 | Soap | Amy: I am unaware, however, on the status of being able to use the playlists created by iTunes. I strongly assume you can not. |
| 23:58:22 | Natalic1 | im on a photo, rockbox is known to freeze so...i really don't want to install it again |
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| 23:58:55 | Soap | Natalic1: there is an unsupported build which stops most of the freezes on the ipod 4G. |
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