00:00:19 | Soap | Amy - Rockbox excels at those features. |
00:00:44 | linuxstb | Natalic1: Forget windows apps, start hacking Rockbox... |
00:00:56 | Arathis | PaulPosition: I am |
00:01:06 | Natalic1 | no, i really dont understand the code well enough |
00:01:08 | ani-adom | mmmmmmmmmmmm |
00:01:52 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Okay. So now we'll scramble that sucker. ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 |
00:02:18 | Amy | My last question deals with potentially using rockbox to increase the ipod's accessibility because of my blindness. I've heard that rockbox can read its menu system out loud. WOuld this allow me to navigate through artist/album/genre and even specific songs while rockbox reads where I'm at? |
00:02:27 | scorche | Natalic1: how do you expect to get to know the code well enough except by diving in? |
00:02:41 | Natalic1 | i dont:)) |
00:02:45 | Natalic1 | i didnt want to |
00:02:52 | Natalic1 | i wanted to make a windows app that people will use |
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00:03:00 | Natalic1 | i suck @ os development |
00:03:09 | Natalic1 | and i wouldn't kno where to start |
00:03:09 | scorche | well, there is #windows too ;) |
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00:03:49 | Natalic1 | but i want to make something for rockbox, really want to make a php script:(( |
00:03:52 | Soap | ##windows that is |
00:03:59 | Arathis | PaulPosition: just wanted to show you my make output: http://www.copypot.com/1202 |
00:04:13 | Arathis | had some problems doing this |
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00:04:39 | tehsmo | Natalic1: what do you want to make? |
00:04:47 | Arathis | if your're satisfied with that I'll scramble |
00:04:48 | Natalic1 | i dont care, just something useful to people |
00:04:48 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Actually I should have told you warnings are pretty obvious (they span over a long line) and not very common so you could have read it faster. :p |
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00:04:51 | Natalic1 | tired of making trash |
00:04:54 | tehsmo | ah |
00:04:55 | cubic_cube | is there someone who could help the cubic cube with OS X + 5g iPod installation? |
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00:05:02 | tehsmo | you could write a plugin, I think those are easier to write |
00:05:05 | Arathis | ...whatever that means and what it's good for |
00:05:14 | Natalic1 | i dont know the environment |
00:05:18 | Natalic1 | i am a windows coder |
00:05:26 | tehsmo | I think the plugin environment is pretty simple |
00:05:27 | tehsmo | like |
00:05:30 | tehsmo | a function to draw text |
00:05:33 | tehsmo | and one to get keypresses |
00:05:36 | PaulPosition | Arathis - So it's allright. Did you scramble? If not I left the command just above.. |
00:05:39 | linuxstb | cubic_cube: New or old 5g, and what size hard drive? |
00:05:40 | tehsmo | and file access. .is all you really need |
00:05:50 | Arathis | PaulPosition: "...whatever that means and what it's good for" |
00:06:20 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Only good for not wasting time installing a porked build if it makes errors. ;) |
00:06:27 | Natalic1 | i want a windows app(more flexible) |
00:06:59 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: old 5g, 60gb, followed installation to the letter (restored to FAT32 on windows pc, etc.) then i get error "Specified partition (0) does not exist" |
00:07:11 | PaulPosition | Arathis - It doesn't look like there was any problem making the files. So where's it you had trouble? |
00:07:29 | tehsmo | so this frequency bug, is it an issue with incorrectly doing frequency scaling on the ARM, or a side effect? or does nobody know |
00:07:32 | linuxstb | cubic_cube: What gives you that error? |
00:08:05 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: diskdump to bootpartition.bin |
00:08:06 | cubic_cube | [INFO] Reading partition table... |
00:08:06 | cubic_cube | Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) |
00:08:06 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK cubic_cube |
00:08:06 | cubic_cube | [ERR] Specified partition (0) does not exist: |
00:09:04 | Arathis | PaulPosition: you ment "../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10_20GC.mi4" not "..H10.mi4" right? ;) |
00:09:51 | PaulPosition | lol. I guess so. wait a second I check on sumthin. |
00:10:41 | linuxstb | cubic_cube: Are you definitely using the correct /dev/ filename for your ipod? Also, does your ipod still work normally? |
00:11:09 | Amy | Soap: Did you see my last query? |
00:11:20 | Soap | I think I missed it Amy. |
00:11:47 | Soap | Ok Amy, I found it. |
00:11:57 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: i know i have the right /dev/ for it, i'll check to see that it works normally |
00:12:52 | Soap | Amy, I am not the best person to ask on that. I know Rockbox can read the menus to you, and I believe, stress believe, that you can record Artist, Tracks, Genre names etc. to be read while navigating within the database. Scorche? Do you know? |
00:13:13 | Arathis | PaulPosition: still alive? ;) |
00:13:32 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Yes, |
00:13:37 | scorche | Soap: heh...i was halfway to my 2-key-salute to lock the computer, after which i would leave |
00:14:02 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Okay. So yes it should be that file, though I think you'll rename it when you put it in the /system/ folder on your DAP. |
00:14:21 | scorche | Amy: if you are still here and no one has answered your question in a few hours, i will help you, but i must go help a client atm =) |
00:14:37 | PaulPosition | I wanted to check up on the scrambling code itself (-mi4v3) and there doesn't seem to be a different one for the 20gb :) |
00:14:40 | Arathis | PaulPosition: why so? it's the normal h20 .mi4 file |
00:15:18 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Well no, it's not anymore the 'normal' file, it's the patched one. |
00:15:25 | Arathis | barry's got an 20gb if I remember right |
00:15:43 | Arathis | don't get it |
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00:16:29 | PaulPosition | Arathis - indeed. What is it you mean? We produce a new bootloader file, with patched code. We scramble it so it can be read when on the DAP. Then we replace the one on the DAP with this one (after having backed it up of course) |
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00:16:36 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Makes sense yet? |
00:16:36 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: works perfectly normal, i'll try it again |
00:16:44 | Soap | Amy, when scorche says "help a client" he means serve a "John" |
00:16:46 | Soap | ;) |
00:16:48 | Arathis | with normal I mean the OF mi4. but the bootloader I'm using to boot RB atm has of course the same name cause the h10 bootloader itself hasn't been touched |
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00:17:06 | scorche | Soap: actually her name is ali... |
00:17:28 | Arathis | PaulPosition: clear what I mean now? :) |
00:17:29 | PaulPosition | Arathis - In the system folder, before you change anything, you should have : |
00:17:38 | scorche | Amy: in the mean time, check out this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
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00:18:04 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Original.mi4 (or some such) and H10.mi4 (or H20.mi4 or I don't know how it's named on H10-20gb) right? |
00:18:13 | scorche | righty then |
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00:18:26 | * | scorche bops Soap on the head and exits stage right |
00:18:59 | PaulPosition | Arathis - The file we produced, for dualbooting, will replace the rockbox bootloader, the one file you usually only install once and ever forget about. |
00:19:25 | Arathis | PaulPosition: right. and the "H20.mi4" is named H10_20GC.mi4 |
00:19:46 | PaulPosition | Arathis - This is tentative stuff. Right now, on my H10, my player will freeze if I attempt to play a song with 'crossfeed' on. |
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00:20:16 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: it still doesn't work |
00:20:25 | Arathis | "File encoded successfully" :) |
00:20:33 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Good, then it so happens it has the right name out of the box :) So did you scramble it? |
00:20:36 | PaulPosition | yeah. |
00:20:44 | Cassandra | Night all |
00:21:02 | Arathis | yep |
00:21:02 | Soap | don't led the bed-bugs bite! |
00:21:10 | Soap | s/led/let |
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00:21:32 | PaulPosition | Okay, so as I said, you'll also need to compile a rockbox install to go with that new bootloader. |
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00:22:24 | PaulPosition | Arathis - But first, maybe you want to back up or rename (maybe RB_original_H10_20GC.mi4) or whatever |
00:22:29 | Arathis | PaulPosition: okay. now I need to replace the RB mi4 on my player with the one I made right? and the iriver one needs to be named what? and can I use the original one or do I need to make something with mi4encode? |
00:22:47 | Arathis | I'll backup to my pc |
00:23:17 | PaulPosition | Arathis - We'll need to do something with mi4 decode indeed, but later. We'll get rockbox running first. |
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00:23:36 | Arathis | "compile a rockbox install" ? you mean .rockbox folder and rockbox.h10 ? |
00:23:44 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Exactly. |
00:24:29 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Because the bootloader, as it is right now, doesn't work with 'pure, unpatched' cvs (ie, the patch also modifies the .rockbox files) |
00:24:52 | Arathis | I'll try with my "on the player" files first. barry wanted test about that too |
00:25:20 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I did test, but go on it might be different :) |
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00:25:32 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Well thought. |
00:27:41 | cubic_cube | linuxstb: you there? |
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00:30:12 | Arathis | PaulPosition: freezes after rb boot |
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00:30:31 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Sure does |
00:30:42 | Arathis | hehe |
00:30:50 | PaulPosition | Arathis - You know how to compile a build? |
00:31:07 | PaulPosition | Arathis - make it from an other directory than bootbuild, like 'build' :p |
00:31:23 | Arathis | if it's just ../tools/configure as normal: yes |
00:31:31 | PaulPosition | It is. :) |
00:31:52 | Arathis | cause of the scrambled code? |
00:32:25 | PaulPosition | Arathis : ? |
00:33:09 | Arathis | I just wanted to know what is different to the cvs or daily build now |
00:33:35 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Oh. A few files, I can't remember them all. |
00:33:42 | Arathis | okay |
00:34:19 | PaulPosition | Arathis- Barrywardell would know :p But enough so that you need to build a new build. Not because of the scramble though, the .mi4 file is always 'scrambled'. |
00:34:58 | cubic_cube | if someone can help me with os x and a 5th gen ipod, my "Specified partition (0) does not exist", still |
00:38:04 | PaulPosition | Arathis - If you're here, while it's building maybe you can tell me if you already have mi4code.exe lying around ? |
00:38:23 | Arathis | nope |
00:39:02 | Arathis | and an exe wouldn't make sense anyway cause I'm using linux |
00:39:08 | PaulPosition | Arathis - lol. k. |
00:39:48 | PaulPosition | Arathis - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html |
00:40:19 | PaulPosition | Arathis - You'll need to compile that somewhere on your install. I'm using XP and vmware.. |
00:41:13 | Arathis | you compiled it in vmware? |
00:41:49 | Arathis | ehm, what came after 'make' again? |
00:41:50 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Sure did, someone made a great debian crosscompiling environment for vmware. |
00:42:04 | PaulPosition | arathis - make zip ? |
00:42:38 | Arathis | I'm using such an env here. had problems making arm-elf-gcc crosscompiler as said |
00:42:50 | Arathis | that's why i'm using vmware anyway |
00:43:13 | PaulPosition | Arathis - vmware on linux? lol. That's cool. |
00:44:22 | PaulPosition | Arathis - With this build installed you should have a good, functioning rockbox except for the 'crossfeed-that-kills'. Then we'll need to behead the original iriver .mi4 file |
00:44:23 | Arathis | way of. would be much easier to make it in native linux |
00:44:53 | PaulPosition | Arathis - sure would. a debian emulator on debian is weird. |
00:45:47 | Arathis | yep |
00:45:56 | PaulPosition | yep? |
00:46:31 | markun | yep=yes |
00:47:21 | PaulPosition | markun - lol, thanks.. I know, I was more like asking 'yep, ready' or 'yep, funny' or ... ;) |
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00:51:48 | PaulPosition | Arathis: ?? |
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00:53:09 | Arathis | rockbox boots |
00:53:28 | Arathis | just setting up tag cache and testing the crossfeed bug |
00:53:34 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Good thing. It was expected but nonethless. :) |
00:54:10 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Either set crossfeed and starta song, or start a song and use WPS context menu to set crossfeed. It should hang with a data abort (you can note the address though :) ) |
00:54:13 | Arathis | meantime I'll try compiling mi4code |
00:54:25 | PaulPosition | Should be pretty quick, it's a single-file source. |
00:54:35 | Arathis | hope so :) |
00:55:25 | Arathis | that isn't rockbox related so I can compile where I want, right? |
00:55:31 | PaulPosition | exact |
00:56:51 | Arathis | okay, gives me much errors and warnings |
00:56:55 | Arathis | let's try it native |
00:57:09 | PaulPosition | Might well works better yeah! :) |
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00:58:48 | PaulPosition | Arathis - So did it work better? |
00:59:07 | PaulPosition | Arathis - And did you freeze the H20? :p |
00:59:40 | Arathis | it didn't give any response while executing the command so I think it woked better |
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00:59:53 | PaulPosition | what command? |
00:59:59 | Arathis | to compile mi4code |
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01:00:05 | PaulPosition | ah ok. |
01:00:09 | Arathis | and there is a file called mi4code now :) |
01:00:28 | PaulPosition | which I presume you execute by typing ./mi4code |
01:00:36 | PaulPosition | try ./mi4code −−help |
01:01:19 | Arathis | "Data abort at 0003559C" |
01:01:50 | Arathis | thank god I don't use crossfeed |
01:02:30 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Okay, that original iRiver .mi4 file, give it a real obvious name *other* than original.mi4 (like maybe iRiverOriginal.mi4).. And make a copy into that place you put mi4code |
01:03:00 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Noted. I must say 'crossfeed' is the best thing in rockbox. It changes the soundscape so much! :) |
01:03:21 | Arathis | I don't really like it, so .. |
01:03:26 | PaulPosition | no problem |
01:04:02 | Arathis | okay, what's next than? |
01:04:04 | PaulPosition | Arathis - So did you copy that file in, and with a real mean name? |
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01:04:43 | Arathis | iRiverOriginal.mi4 :) |
01:04:52 | Arathis | and of course having more than one backup of it |
01:05:58 | PaulPosition | great, so you would do like ./mi4code -l iRiverOriginal.mi4 Original.mi4 ( -l = L lowercase & capital O on Original..) |
01:06:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
01:06:52 | Arathis | must be Original.mi4 for rb to recognize it? |
01:07:11 | PaulPosition | for it to load original firmware on dualboot, yes. |
01:07:20 | PaulPosition | sorry |
01:07:23 | PaulPosition | duh |
01:07:23 | Arathis | nknown command '-l'! |
01:07:26 | PaulPosition | it's -s |
01:07:39 | PaulPosition | (I was fiddling with other things in between, got lost :o ) |
01:07:41 | PaulPosition | :blush: |
01:07:48 | Arathis | also unknown |
01:07:54 | Arathis | commands: |
01:07:54 | Arathis | decrypt decrypt mi4 image |
01:07:54 | Arathis | encrypt encrypt mi4 image |
01:07:54 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Arathis |
01:07:54 | Arathis | build build mi4 image |
01:07:54 | Arathis | sign sign mi4 with DSA |
01:07:56 | PaulPosition | oops |
01:07:56 | Arathis | verify verify DSA siganture |
01:07:58 | Arathis | keyscan scan file for potential keys |
01:08:00 | Arathis | blpatch patch bootloader with custom DSA key |
01:08:02 | Arathis | hexdecode decode 'hex' bootloader file |
01:08:04 | Arathis | hexencode encode 'hex' bootloader file |
01:08:08 | PaulPosition | ./mi4code decrypt -s ... ... |
01:08:23 | PaulPosition | forgot to 'decrypt' I'm getting tired :p |
01:08:39 | Arathis | Decrypted ok with key '20gc_eng' (0240772c 6f3329b5 3ec9a6c5 b0c9e493) |
01:08:47 | Arathis | me too ^^ |
01:08:55 | PaulPosition | good, that one goes into /system/ and then you can reboot. |
01:09:25 | PaulPosition | arathis - Then either you let rockbox boot, or you press left (bit like you press right to go in usb mode) |
01:10:10 | Arathis | lets see .. |
01:10:15 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Last thing. Turning off from the Official Firmware doesn't turn off completely (you should remember that from before rockbox!) so you'll need to reset (pinhole) to save batteries/get back into rockbox. |
01:11:22 | Arathis | :D works |
01:11:45 | Arathis | and I noticed I didn't remove the old db^ |
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01:12:15 | Arathis | yeah for barry and dan_a and for having radio and recording again |
01:12:37 | Arathis | hoping for those in rockbox now and being happy |
01:12:42 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Of course it does. Oh, one last thing : if you use the 'music' folder to store your songs, when you go into original firmware it will 'hide' it again. Back in rockbox you either have to use 'database/tagcache' or 'see all files' to get the folder to show up. |
01:12:43 | Arathis | thanks for the help PaulPosition |
01:13:05 | PaulPosition | Arathis - You're welcome. Can I ask something? |
01:13:46 | Arathis | of course |
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01:14:42 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I don't thik you'd do, but try not to brag around, like, the misticriver forum until Barry made it clear the patch could get massive distribution. ;) |
01:15:14 | Arathis | of course |
01:15:31 | Arathis | people who really want it are around irc anyway ;) |
01:15:42 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I couldn't help 5 people at once and Barrywardell has better to do than answer questions. I might write a small tutorial, if I have his permission, in the next few days. |
01:15:50 | PaulPosition | Arathis - true enough :p |
01:16:20 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Hopefully around the time his patch is stable and made into cvs. :) |
01:16:42 | Arathis | more hopefully the problems with the ipod's bootloader will be fixed soon so the patch can be submitted to cvs |
01:16:48 | Arathis | *g* |
01:16:57 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Though it may never happen if it means everyone got to download a new bootloader to sync with the new builds. :o |
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01:17:47 | Arathis | the only thing I'm a bit sad about is, that I can't just use the cvs builds from the page now |
01:17:49 | cubic_cube | could someone give me some quick help here please? |
01:18:50 | PaulPosition | Arathis - But once you know how, it's a matter of ten minutes building a bootloader AND a new rockbox.. |
01:18:59 | Arathis | PaulPosition: btw: what is/are the essential steps/cmds to make the cvs source ready for the new bootloader? |
01:19:35 | Arathis | but bootloader doesn't need to be build every time, right? "one and for all" is good enough |
01:20:34 | cubic_cube | hello? |
01:20:42 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I think but that's an interresting question. :) Effectively, just downloading cvs, reapplying patch and compiling the regular build should be enough. |
01:20:55 | Arathis | cubic_cube: sorry, have to go in a few minutes, but what's your problem? |
01:21:01 | cubic_cube | i need to know how i can actually see my music files |
01:21:03 | cubic_cube | please |
01:21:37 | Arathis | cubic_cube: windows? |
01:21:37 | dan_a | cubic_cube: What kind of player do you have? |
01:21:46 | cubic_cube | ipod 5th gen |
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01:22:07 | cubic_cube | i can't find my music files |
01:22:08 | dan_a | What can you see at the moment? |
01:22:24 | cubic_cube | well it's plugged into my comp at the moment |
01:22:53 | cubic_cube | but all i could see on the two menus were calendars/contacts/notes/rockbox |
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01:23:03 | cubic_cube | and the main settings screen |
01:23:12 | Arathis | PaulPosition: this should downtime my rockbox-updating-interval a lot I think xD |
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01:23:31 | * | Arathis is laaazy |
01:23:44 | PowerMac | Hey everyone |
01:23:51 | Arathis | ..and tired. I'll go get some sleep. thanks again for helping. night |
01:24:18 | dan_a | cubic_cube: iPods store their music in a hidden folder. The best thing to do is have a look in the manual about how to enable Database - the manual might still call it TagCache. That lets you browse files by their ID3 tags |
01:25:06 | PowerMac | I just have a very quick question, is there a way to improve playback on my nano? I've been trying to play 320 kbs AAC files and they skip all the time |
01:25:07 | cubic_cube | i initiated the database |
01:25:17 | cubic_cube | unless it didn't take for some reason |
01:25:30 | PowerMac | I only have the equilizer on, nothing else |
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01:27:25 | dan_a | cubic_cube: I think you need to reboot once for it to work, and switch the file view to ID3 |
01:27:45 | cubic_cube | i'll try that |
01:28:34 | dan_a | PowerMac: Try using a different theme. The peak meters take up a lot of processor power, if you have those on. Otherwise, try turning off the equaliser. |
01:29:23 | cubic_cube | dan_a: i can't find anywhere how to do that, switch to ID3 |
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01:31:26 | dan_a | cubic_cube: I'm going from memory here, but I think its Main Menu->Display Settings->File View |
01:32:30 | cubic_cube | i've got Main>General Settings>File View, but i can't find anything relating to ID3 |
01:33:25 | dan_a | What are the options there? |
01:34:15 | cubic_cube | oh wait, i finally figured it out |
01:34:36 | cubic_cube | >File View>Show Files>Database |
01:35:18 | cubic_cube | ugh but it's so slow |
01:35:38 | cubic_cube | well, the first time anyway |
01:37:16 | PaulPosition | cubic_cube - To change the view type more quickly if you want to go from file browser to id3-based, you can press and hold left for a second or so and get into the 'quick menu'. |
01:38:06 | cubic_cube | ok |
01:38:32 | cubic_cube | but it's also not doing the one thing that was the reason i got rockbox: playing gapless |
01:39:43 | PaulPosition | How's that? Not that I doubt you, I don't own an ipod, but my songs, at least my well-ripped songs, don't get gap inbetween. |
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01:40:16 | cubic_cube | my songs are ripped just fine and play perfectly gapless in iTunes |
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01:43:32 | PaulPosition | dunno. What do you get? a gap? how long? a crossfade? what song format? Maybe try a few different albums and then (search for first) raise a bug on the bug tracker. |
01:44:17 | cubic_cube | AAC, no crossfade, like a tenth of a second long |
01:44:25 | cubic_cube | long enough to be really annoying |
01:45:38 | PaulPosition | Dunno, sorry. I still suggest you have a look around the bugtracker. |
01:46:25 | tupa | can i install rockbox over ipodlinux? |
01:47:11 | tupa | ‎i installed ipodlinux but it has a laggy mp3 player, i saw that rockbox goes real time |
01:51:54 | PaulPosition | cubic_cube - I'm sorry but it seems AAC files aren't 'natively gapless' in that the format isn't gapless but programs such as iTunes use either id3tag-like info or database to store cue position for those songs. |
01:52:12 | PaulPosition | cubic_cube: can't say for sure, just relaying info from some thread on forum. |
01:53:38 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't think our AAC codec makes any effort to strip the leading and trailing silence from within an AAC file. |
01:57:10 | goffa | been a while since i tried aac... has the playback improved since july or so? |
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02:05:41 | PowerMac | AAC playback is still very jittery |
02:05:53 | PowerMac | at least on my Nano |
02:06:23 | EbErT | is pretty good on mine |
02:06:23 | goffa | was thinking gapless was the least of our worries atm |
02:06:35 | EbErT | long mp3's still stop and start for some reason |
02:06:50 | EbErT | around 1hr, 160kps |
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02:11:57 | BHSPitMonkey | tupa, you can install both and they won't interfere with one another. |
02:12:11 | EbErT | what about all 3? |
02:12:13 | EbErT | :) |
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02:33:09 | rockboxn00b | hullo! |
02:33:57 | rockboxn00b | .... hm. |
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02:45:18 | BlahHumbug | so, ladies +gents. ... I had a couple most likey stupid questions for some rockbox elite if I may..... |
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02:46:46 | BlahHumbug | concerning rockboy: the ROMs referred to, (it's been awhile for me, last I remember, they were really .rom 's ... does the .gbc work with rockboy? |
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02:49:14 | BlahHumbug | ..... |
02:49:18 | BlahHumbug | =\ all dead eh? |
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02:50:23 | BlahHumbug | bummerness.. |
02:51:31 | pixelma | BlahHumbug: nice nick btw... don't know what player you do have but you can find something in our manual - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1570008.3.3 |
02:51:59 | pixelma | took that as an example but you can search for the right manual here http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
02:53:04 | Soap | beat me to it pixelma . |
02:53:09 | Soap | I was going to say: |
02:53:11 | Soap | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1580008.3.3 |
02:53:48 | Soap | "Rockboy is a Nintendo Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for Rockbox based on the gnuboy emulator." <−−The first line of the title. |
02:57:59 | BlahHumbug | nice. |
02:58:55 | BlahHumbug | i've an ipod 5g video |
02:58:58 | BlahHumbug | 60gig |
02:59:23 | BlahHumbug | oh hell ya. |
02:59:25 | BlahHumbug | thanks guys@! |
02:59:28 | EbErT | so you're going to try and make it a gameboy too |
02:59:33 | EbErT | does it work? never tried it |
02:59:52 | BlahHumbug | gonna try. |
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03:00:30 | BlahHumbug | =) I'm also diggin' though these manuals/walkthroughs/etc.. I'm gonna make my own working build with some patches and such yet! make myself a wps with the album art.. i'm stoked.. |
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03:01:35 | EbErT | i wonder how easy it is to convert new ipod wps's to ipodphoto wps's |
03:01:54 | EbErT | i think its just a screen size difference, but i dunno what's involved |
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03:04:43 | BlahHumbug | I'm not sure yet =) |
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03:08:15 | BlahHumbug | thanks everyone.. I'll be frequenting IRC more in the near future, I'm sure. |
03:08:17 | BlahHumbug | till then. |
03:08:18 | BlahHumbug | latas |
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03:36:13 | terriblyinept | Is anyone online here involved in the H10 port? |
03:39:30 | terriblyinept | I'd like to talk to anyone who is; just chat a bit. You can reach me at TerriblyInept on AIM, or leave my an email at terriblyinept@gmail.com |
03:39:51 | terriblyinept | Thanks, and everyone who reads this have a lovely evening. Or whatever it is in your part of the globe. |
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03:56:56 | jhMikeS | any way to get the linker map to include static symbols, directly or indirectly? |
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05:01:13 | terriblyinept | Anyone around? |
05:04:32 | PaulPosition | at this hour it's pretty dead... |
05:04:36 | PaulPosition | 'sup? |
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05:09:28 | terriblyinept | Not a lot. I've just been reading a lot about Rockbox lately and playing with it on an old ihp120, and wanted to see if there would be anyone about to talk at me about the h10 or just Rockbox in general. |
05:09:42 | terriblyinept | Not really as for troubleshooting. Just breezeshooting. |
05:10:11 | PaulPosition | What is it you would like to know about H10? I can't go *real* technical but I do use one, so.. |
05:10:38 | terriblyinept | Are you currently using Rockbox on it? And what particular kind is it? |
05:11:21 | PaulPosition | H10 5gb, MTP. I do use rockbox yeah. :p |
05:12:32 | PaulPosition | Rockbox works well enough, but it's not yet optimized if that's what you're after.. Battery life sucks (but then it does on all players using the portalplayer/ARM chipset which hasn't been totally figured out yet) |
05:13:05 | PaulPosition | Radio and recording aren't working yet either. But dualbooting is on the way so the official firmware will be there as a workaround while waiting for the functionalty. |
05:13:12 | terriblyinept | Do you have any idea how battery life compares, from personal or other experience, to the iRiver firmware? |
05:13:35 | terriblyinept | Actually, I wondered if you knew anything about possible strategies being taken towards working out a dualboot system for the H10. |
05:13:56 | PaulPosition | From my experience, on a 5gb that the booklet said would do 12hours (OF) I got around 9 and a half with OF and get between 4 and 5 with rockbox at the moment. |
05:14:06 | terriblyinept | I'm actually interested in sharpening up my skills a bit and getting in on development, but I have to wait for at least one of my H10s to actually arrive. |
05:14:17 | PaulPosition | Albeit it's been a while I haven't benchmarked the batteries for real, so maybe some progress been made I haven't seen. |
05:14:20 | terriblyinept | OF? |
05:14:26 | PaulPosition | Original Firmware |
05:14:42 | terriblyinept | Ah. Sorry. Not all that familiar with certain jargon. |
05:15:36 | PaulPosition | Terriblyinept - I'm certainly aware of dualboot. The head guys on the H10 ports have got something working which I've just been testing today. −− Still pretty shakey and unstable though. |
05:15:37 | terriblyinept | I read about radio and recording not really being worked on at the moment, but I'd consider dualbooting an obvious priority that would at least temporarily solve that problem, along with being a little more important on its own. |
05:16:11 | PaulPosition | Terribly inept - But they know there's some problem and I think in a few days, dualboot should be at least viable (if technically demanding) for end user. |
05:17:07 | terriblyinept | What do you mean by 'technically demanding'? |
05:18:28 | PaulPosition | Ti - Not very demanding... It demands to change both the rockbox build AND the bootloader (a file you usually only install once), plus to use a small utility to 'decrypt' a file (the original firmware). I'll be writing a tutorial on this that should appear on misticriver forums when Barrywardell thinks he could announce his patch in a more public way. |
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05:18:55 | PaulPosition | (hopefully the tutorial making it so tech-challenged guys don't bother Barry too much with troubleshooting) |
05:19:15 | cubic_cube | question: would an acceptable method of uninstallation from my iPod be to simply restore it with iTunes? |
05:19:59 | PaulPosition | cubic_cube - dunno, I know neither itunes nor ipod :( |
05:20:19 | cubic_cube | well then how about someone who would know |
05:20:57 | PaulPosition | maybe asleep or gone eating, I haven't seen much activity in the last hour beside that conversation going on between me and terriblyinept. |
05:21:00 | cubic_cube | it's in windows format, and i have a mac, so i'm going to have to do it anyway |
05:22:26 | PaulPosition | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_restore_my_broken_iPod |
05:22:32 | Reio4 | Has anyone here used LogScrobbler before? |
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05:22:52 | PaulPosition | Reio4 - I do. |
05:23:03 | PaulPosition | why? |
05:23:05 | terriblyinept | Reio - I've turned it on, and logged a bit, but I haven't tried to scrobble any logs. |
05:23:43 | Reio4 | Heh... I just started running it then, and it looks frozen... is it supposed to be really unresponsive when submitting? |
05:24:21 | PaulPosition | reio4 - Hmm, it's not much responsive, kind of update the progressbar a while, then 'freeze' for 10 seconds or so but longer than that... ? |
05:24:25 | PaulPosition | Is it a HUGE log? |
05:24:46 | Reio4 | hmm, about 400 tracks |
05:25:29 | PaulPosition | Shouldn't take that long then... I'd still give it a minute but after that... It found the file allright (ie, the [go] button was clikeable) ? |
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05:26:04 | Reio4 | Yeah, after I selected go it got really unresponsive |
05:26:25 | PaulPosition | Yeah, that's when mine goes unresponsive too, though I never submitted more than 30-50 songs.. :o |
05:26:40 | cubic_cube | for anyone who cares, the iTunes restore did work just fine |
05:27:12 | Reio4 | then it scrobbled two random tracks, said Sync Complete, and deletes the logfile |
05:27:22 | PaulPosition | If you log onto your last.fm page do you see some of those backlogged songs appearing on most_recent (ie, maybe it doesn't hammer the site at more than, say, 5 hits a second) |
05:27:31 | terriblyinept | cubic - I'll remember that. I plan on picking up an iPod and working with rockboxing iPods belonging to some friends. |
05:27:53 | cubic_cube | alrighty |
05:28:10 | Reio4 | Just the two it mentioned, no new ones being added. |
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05:28:32 | PaulPosition | erio4 - It only scrobbled two? Hmmm, and did last.fm say something about spam protection or timestamps? |
05:29:25 | PaulPosition | (ie, if you listen on your DAP to songs at 3 in the afternoon, get home, winamp some music and THEN scrobble your DAP, the songs from before the winamp session won't get logged and will be seen as 'spam'. |
05:30:05 | PaulPosition | Might not be your problem, but it's good to know anyway. |
05:30:33 | Reio4 | Didn't see a message that mentions spam, but it does fit what I did (played about 400 songs on my DAP during the last two weeks, and about 200 on my media center, including just 30 mins ago) |
05:31:49 | PaulPosition | Reio4 - That would be it then.. I would try not playing from the computer, listening to three or four songs on the DAP and scrobbling them again to confirm. |
05:32:36 | Reio4 | Will do, thanks. Wish I knew that before, though. |
05:32:54 | PaulPosition | Reio4 - They trying to stop scriptkiddies overloading the servers with backlogs to become top fans of the latest dance-music bimbo... |
05:34:37 | terriblyinept | PP - That's certainly one way of phrasing it. :) |
05:34:56 | PaulPosition | heh.. :p |
05:35:20 | PaulPosition | They don't fancy being Mozart's top fan so.. |
05:38:35 | terriblyinept | PP - What do they think causes the battery problems with Rockbox and the portalplayer/ARM chipset, at this point? Or perhaps I should ask first, how -can- Rockbox improve battery life? Are we talking a matter of more efficiently programmed software, or something based more on how the hardware is directly used? |
05:39:33 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - Answer 2)... The portalplayer chipset used in h10 (and most ipods before the last few ones) and the sansa e200, hasn't been properly figured out yet. |
05:39:54 | PaulPosition | So there might be hardware we don't need and could switch off. |
05:41:04 | PaulPosition | The second cpu (rather, the co-processor) hasn't been really used well yet, either. So the main cpu is running high freq. We don't know wether using both would be better or worse for batteries. |
05:41:59 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - stuff like that. The fact that the ADC is noisy as hell makes the scrollpad and the volt-meter erratic as hell, too. |
05:42:33 | PaulPosition | But it's pretty useable anyway, I wouldn't go back to original firmware just yet. (though I'm happy for dualboot that's on the way) |
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06:19:20 | terriblyinept | PaulPosition - A couple of questions, then (and sorry for the delay): 1) Why do you think it is that the portalplayer people are unwilling to share a bit more about their device, at least in terms of possibly getting more out of it, with open source folks versus Apple or any other for-profit organization that utilizes their hardware? 2) Is it the case that faster battery drain tends to wear out a particular battery more easily? |
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06:20:59 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - 1) Selling chips by the truckload versus catering to folks who buy used on ebay might have to do with it. 2)I wouldn't know.. For all I know, newer kind of batteries are mostly succeptible to heat (ie, charging too fast, etc.). |
06:21:52 | jrockway | i think what it comes down to is that apple pays them to not share specs with others |
06:21:59 | jrockway | how apple benefits, i don't know |
06:22:24 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - Portalplayer's been bought by nvidia recently. But it's not like they have a much better open mindset about sharing specs and firmware/software-devlopment kits.. |
06:22:39 | jrockway | heh, that's a different issue |
06:22:52 | jrockway | nvidia won't open their drivers because they know they're violating ATI's patents |
06:23:00 | jrockway | and ATI knows they're violating nvidia's patents |
06:23:04 | jrockway | wonderful world we live in |
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06:23:17 | terriblyinept | But hell, does Rockbox or any open source software really pose a -threat- to companies like this? And rockway, do you think Apple really needs to pay them not to, for that reason? |
06:23:27 | jrockway | i don't think so |
06:23:36 | terriblyinept | Well, intellectual property is a pretty gray area anyway. |
06:23:37 | PaulPosition | lol. No matter what, they aren't going to open a gaping hole in their 'no specs sharing' wall even if ATI got nothing to do with digital audio players.. :( |
06:23:39 | jrockway | they sold you the ipod for $300, who cares what you do with it afterwards |
06:24:01 | jrockway | rockbox doesn't do a very good job of locking you into proprietary crippled formats though |
06:24:09 | jrockway | that doesn't sit well with apple's business model |
06:24:18 | terriblyinept | That's what I mean. Most people aren't out there building their own DAPs. |
06:24:23 | jrockway | (which changes every week, apparently. i remember how OS X was amazing because it was "open") |
06:24:45 | jrockway | now it's "you can download the gcc source code from gnu.org, and we use it too" |
06:26:09 | jrockway | </cynic> ;) |
06:26:23 | terriblyinept | Well, I understand why there tends to be inherent superiority in open source projects, as long as they generate enough interest. A business designs something to turn a profit, not to do the best it can and should do. |
06:26:27 | PaulPosition | Theee heee heee.. Apple's became the microsoft of the music world. |
06:27:25 | terriblyinept | PaulPosition - This may be a bit off-topic, or at least getting into a wider area, but is there any sort of behavior dealing with rechargable devices that might discourage memory, wear-out, that sort of thing? |
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06:29:05 | terriblyinept | Don't even get me started on iTunes. Or the whole idea of a 'library of media' rather than thinking of things in terms of files. People don't need to be not tech savvy anymore than they need to not learn about fish when they live in a fishing village. |
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06:29:45 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - It depends on the battery type. Chemicals.. Lithium don't work like NiMH (nickel?) which don't work the same as uh... well other types. |
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06:31:31 | terriblyinept | PaulPosition - I've only ever heard of Nickel Metal Hydride (funny how they write it like a molecular expression, when 'Metal' is not an atom) and Lithium, but while I've had Lithium rechargeables touted to me as memoryless, that sure ain't the case. |
06:33:39 | PaulPosition | Terriblyinept - For all I heard, lithium cells (like I have in H10) shouldn't be fully discharged/charged but rather used as is convenient for you. True or not I don't know, so I still do a full cycle once a week...(not so full as I don't use gadget to really trickle out the last few volts of charge, when my DAP says "enough" it's enough for me) :p |
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06:34:27 | PaulPosition | Ti - In a few words : for the straight dope on batteries, don't ask ME. :p |
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06:39:22 | terriblyinept | PP - Well, in any case, what you just said about charging-on-the-fly, with the addition of your own habit of giving it a full cycle every once in a while, is basically the advice I've been given about lithium recharging before. |
06:39:55 | PaulPosition | Good enough then, I hope :) |
06:42:16 | terriblyinept | Well, a truly memoryless battery, at least from what I understand of the chemistry of batteries, would be something along the lines of a 100% efficient engine. That is, impossible. |
06:42:46 | terriblyinept | PaulPosition - Different topic, if you have time. Have you used Rockbox on any iPods? |
06:43:02 | PaulPosition | terriblyinept - Makes sense. |
06:43:22 | PaulPosition | Sorry, nope. Don't own one, neither do I have access. |
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06:44:47 | webguest65 | hello |
06:45:19 | terriblyinept | webguest65 - Hello. |
06:46:09 | webguest65 | terriblyinept could u please try to save my surviving 3 year old h320 iriver? |
06:46:52 | terriblyinept | PaulPosition - Just curious. Anything interesting about Rockbox or the iriver you care to share? |
06:47:21 | terriblyinept | webguest65 - Well, I'm sure I'm not necessarily the best person to ask, but I can try to help or at least give some advice. I've played around with irivers a bit. What seems to be the problem, exactly? |
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06:48:33 | PaulPosition | Beside what's in the manual? Dunno.. I like that I can browse by directory if I choose to. I like the sound, the gapless playback, the sudoku plugin.. The fact I could customize my While-plying screen.. |
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06:48:45 | PaulPosition | But right now I like to think I'm going to bed. :p |
06:48:53 | terriblyinept | Enjoy. Thanks for talkin'! |
06:48:57 | PaulPosition | see ya :) |
06:48:59 | webguest65 | both i just discovered rockbox, know that i know what it is i dream to install it on h320 and try it out the problem is the following please dont laugh which is rather funny |
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06:50:07 | terriblyinept | webguest65 - No problem go ahead. |
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06:50:51 | webguest65 | i gave for present a portable dvd player to my brother who lives in England i live in Southamerica i was stupid enough to give it with my iriver h320 ac adapter |
06:52:02 | webguest65 | i kept the iriver with the dvd adapter and a week he was gone i charged it and voila!!!!! a flash came and nothing happened no charging screen no nothing and then i realized!!!! |
06:52:34 | webguest65 | i see my brother 1 time every year |
06:52:52 | terriblyinept | Hm. You're saying you tried to charge it with the DVD adapter? I don't quite understand. |
06:53:39 | webguest65 | yes i though i gave him the dvd adapeter but the one i gave him was my iriver adapter |
06:54:50 | webguest65 | and i used the dvd adapter to charge the iriver and it transformed my screen dark cant see nothing but a little bit |
06:55:39 | webguest65 | no im charging it with a lower voltage adapter 4.5 volts from a sony diskman |
06:56:02 | webguest65 | but i want to recover my lcd color back |
06:56:08 | terriblyinept | Well, I'm no expert, but you might have hurt the thing beyond the point of my being able to help. I'm not even sure how one would go able testing to see what might have been harmed by that. I would hope just the battery. |
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06:57:15 | terriblyinept | If you think the screen has been harmed by charging it with the wrong adapter (which you should never do, by the way, at least by my understanding) I think it's -possible- to get a replacement LCD screen for the h320, but there may be other problems with the hardware, too. Possibly or probably the battery itself, as well. |
06:57:36 | webguest65 | the funny thing is that it works but its to dark |
06:59:10 | webguest65 | i bough mine in new york 3 years ago and used european firmware so i could watch videos and the damn thing still survives after a shocking blast od a portable dvd adapter |
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07:00:04 | webguest65 | and there it is!!!!! voila!!!! charging from either a 4.5 v sony diskman or throug usb but dark |
07:00:06 | terriblyinept | Hm. Well, I would suggest you watch the battery life, but try to get a replacement screen, if you feel you have the skills to install one. Try the forums on misticriver.net, though, this isn't so much a Rockbox specific problem, it seems. |
07:02:31 | webguest65 | has rockbox some kind of a firmware for it? |
07:03:20 | webguest65 | i heard from a post it has a menu that could change some things maybe it could enable a backlight lcd from my unit |
07:04:04 | webguest65 | if the lcd would be burnt or lost i could never see anything but i do |
07:04:14 | | Part hcs |
07:04:57 | webguest65 | it aint a harware problem my unit a fighter itself |
07:05:11 | webguest65 | rockbox might be my solution |
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07:10:36 | terriblyinept | Well, the backlight might be burnt out. I'm no expert. You can try Rockbox. I'm not sure that Rockbox at this point could really hurt things more, although you don't want to try flashing the firmware on a low battery, or even a damaged one. I think that can risk bricking your player. |
07:12:37 | webguest65 | terriblyinept can u actually play DOOM on iriver? |
07:13:16 | terriblyinept | I think if there's a problem with how dark things are without you changing any settings, there probably is a hardware problem. Even if your player is a tough little customer. |
07:13:59 | webguest65 | yeah there is a hardware problem |
07:14:08 | terriblyinept | So I hear. Haven't tried it myself, as it seems like it'd be awkward on the tiny screen. I prefer simpler games if I all I have is such tiny controls. But this is stuff you can probably find out on Rockbox/misticriver forums or on the Rockbox web site. |
07:15:44 | webguest65 | i really harmed my first and only mc-juckebox doing that stupid move |
07:18:03 | webguest65 | ok whats the first thing i have to do then? |
07:18:42 | webguest65 | download rockbox, reset, format, install? |
07:18:49 | terriblyinept | Again, I'm not expert, so I won't advise you on what specifically to do other than go to http://www.misticriver.net and browse through their forums and look for some topics on repair. |
07:19:13 | terriblyinept | There'll be a lot more people available there to help you, and they'll probably give you better help than I can provide. |
07:19:16 | webguest65 | ok terribly thanks again |
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07:20:55 | webguest65 | i dedicate 3 years of this unit to u and rockbox silly of me for not finding it out earlier tho |
07:21:26 | terriblyinept | No problem, and good luck. If your device is under warranty, you might read what that covers. Otherwise, there's still no reason, it sounds like, to just get rid of the thing entirely. It -might- be salvageable, you're just going to want to do some research. |
07:22:20 | webguest65 | yes thanks a lot and prosper to rockbox bye |
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07:26:05 | terriblyinept | Have a good night, all. |
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07:43:14 | Gnelik | Hi!!!! |
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07:45:52 | aliask | Hi!! |
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07:59:04 | Gnelik | Any news from Sansa port sinse yesterdays evening |
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08:05:44 | LinusN | Gnelik: not that i know of |
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08:24:54 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Is there any way to get the linker map to include global static variables or some way to get the full memory layout? |
08:25:18 | LinusN | not that i know of... |
08:25:22 | jhMikeS | rrrrr |
08:25:28 | LinusN | google is your friend |
08:26:18 | jhMikeS | been there, done that, can't seem to work anything out |
08:26:35 | Slasheri | morning :) |
08:28:04 | Slasheri | LinusN: btw, here is a patch that should apply cleanly against the latest cvs: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/rombox_iriver_5.patch |
08:28:53 | jhMikeS | did find a small bug but it's doubtful if it's been of any consequence |
08:29:10 | LinusN | Slasheri: nice |
08:30:26 | Slasheri | :) |
08:35:03 | BHSPitLappy | you know what's cooler than using rockbox to play jewels on a DAP? |
08:35:16 | BHSPitLappy | using a Wii remote to move a cursor in linux :D |
08:35:27 | BHSPitLappy | wheeee.... |
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08:40:40 | Gnelik | Slasheri: alsow graphic BL? :) |
08:41:23 | Slasheri | Gnelik: no |
08:42:05 | Slasheri | Gnelik: that's pure text mode only for irivers. There is no point of graphics BL because code can be loaded from flash and there really isn't that kind of dual boot |
08:42:43 | Gnelik | I see... |
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09:01:42 | dan_a | Gnelik: We know a bit more about the Sansa (thanks to MrH.) If we can get a datasheet for a certain IC then we will be able to do sound. Apart from that there's been no progress. |
09:02:22 | Gnelik | dan_a: is this hard? |
09:03:20 | dan_a | Bagder has asked the people who make the IC if we can get the datasheet. We'll see whether or not it's hard. |
09:06:08 | dan_a | Hopefully we'll be able to get it, because this IC does quite a lot of things (backlight, RTC, power control, battery monitoring) |
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09:07:44 | Gnelik | yep |
09:07:52 | Gnelik | it would be gread |
09:07:57 | Gnelik | *great |
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09:23:49 | Gnelik | dan_a:Don't we need gpio saving in BL? |
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09:29:28 | Bagder | hey, we need a commit to get the build table sorted out! |
09:30:25 | Gnelik | ? |
09:31:45 | Bagder | its currently broken |
09:31:54 | Bagder | to be fixed at next build |
09:34:35 | Gnelik | Bagder: Why dont you add sansa normal build to the list? |
09:34:43 | Bagder | to be fixed at next build |
09:39:03 | scorche | oh?...are sansa binaries going to be distributed now? |
09:39:20 | Bagder | yeah, at least cvs ones |
09:39:30 | vr | hi all |
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09:39:52 | Gnelik | Bagder: can't apply barrywardel's and da_a's patch to cvs? |
09:40:09 | Bagder | they both have commit access and I'm sure they will commit when time is ready |
09:41:12 | Gnelik | ok |
09:41:30 | dan_a | Gnelik: The dual boot patch breaks iriver H10s and iPods at the moment, I don't think the users would be happy if we committed it! |
09:42:19 | Gnelik | ok |
09:42:39 | dan_a | And no, it appears we don't need GPIO saving in the BL. That was something I tried when the original firmware didn't work correctly |
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09:44:19 | dan_a | Bagder: If someone can confirm that my I2S cleanups don't break anything, I'll commit those. They build cleanly for all wmcodec targets, including the Gigabeat |
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09:44:44 | Bagder | nice |
09:49:39 | markun | dan_a: what did you change? |
09:52:29 | dan_a | markun: I've moved i2s_init out of wmcodec-pp.c into i2s-pp.c, and created a separate i2s.h. I've left your i2s_init in wmcodec-meg-fx.c, though |
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09:59:28 | * | jhMikeS finds it disturbing that sys_poweroff calls audio_stop_recording directly |
09:59:53 | Bagder | imho it should |
10:00 |
10:00:09 | Bagder | faking a quick poweroff is nice |
10:00:39 | Bagder | or perhaps I'm not getting what you mean :-) |
10:00:49 | * | Bagder considers a coffee refill |
10:01:20 | Bagder | markun: you think time is right to make the gigabeat port wiki page appear on the front wiki page? |
10:01:22 | jhMikeS | I think the crashes on long stop are because of it. It also assumes audio_stop_recording is syncronous but it isn't |
10:01:27 | petur | yes, so people think it's already off and think it's safe now to put it down somewhere - when in fact the disc may still be spinning... ??? |
10:01:39 | jhMikeS | gets hit by the IRQ |
10:02:05 | markun | Bagder: yes, why not. We are getting really close to playing music |
10:02:32 | Bagder | markun: I added the sansa one the other day and I noticed the lack of the gigabeat one |
10:03:10 | jhMikeS | petur: it causes an interrupt handler to call yield |
10:03:17 | mick_linux | anyone here build rockbox on debian? i can't find arm-elf-gcc (any arm + gcc stuff isn't showing up) - is this due to the fact that cross compilation binaries are "difficult" at best? |
10:03:32 | mick_linux | do i need to grab the source toolchain and go from there? |
10:03:40 | Bagder | mick_linux: you build your own compiler with tools/rockboxdev.sh |
10:03:41 | mick_linux | or would scratchbox be a better approach? |
10:03:51 | mick_linux | oh |
10:04:04 | mick_linux | why didn't i see that in the docs/README file? |
10:04:11 | mick_linux | did i skip that or something? |
10:04:23 | Bagder | because docs/README is very old and we almost entirely rely on the wiki these days |
10:04:26 | * | mick_linux runs ../tools/rockboxdev.sh |
10:04:46 | markun | Bagder: I will rearange that gigabeat wiki pages a bit to be more like the rest |
10:04:58 | Bagder | ok |
10:05:21 | mick_linux | *sigh* - i guess i can redo the README to point to the wiki, then i'll submit a patch? |
10:05:26 | jhMikeS | audio_stop_recording isn't a simple queue_post operation |
10:05:33 | markun | although.. it's not much different from the x5 pages |
10:05:45 | Slasheri | btw, regarding that "Enhanced left-side menu of the web site". Until today i thought those new items are just currently missing links, until i noticed those are actually descriptions :) |
10:05:52 | Slasheri | should be probably bold or something like that |
10:06:07 | petur | jhMikeS: good to see you're fixing things, wished I had time to dive into things. I'm in fact against fake off |
10:06:09 | * | jhMikeS just likes that it's not his fault and can gloat a little |
10:07:11 | jhMikeS | petur: why's it "fake off"? I don't get that one :\ |
10:07:19 | markun | Bagder: how do I get it on the front page? |
10:07:45 | Bagder | markun: that special marker thing at the end of the page |
10:08:17 | Bagder | jhMikeS: when you blank everything and make it look like it is off but it really isn't (yet) |
10:08:36 | Bagder | lots of devices do that to give the impression that they shutdown fast and efficient |
10:08:48 | jhMikeS | but calling yield from an IRQ is _really bad__ no? |
10:09:32 | jhMikeS | It gets stuck at the "Shutting Down" bit for awhile and is then forced off on a long stop from recording |
10:09:57 | LinusN | jhMikeS: what code is calling yield() from an interrupt? |
10:10:14 | jhMikeS | LinusN: sys_poweroff via audio_stop_recording |
10:10:27 | petur | calling yield() from an irq is a bug imh |
10:10:34 | petur | *imho |
10:10:36 | jhMikeS | It's done from the button driver no? |
10:11:20 | LinusN | no |
10:11:35 | LinusN | hmmm |
10:11:43 | jhMikeS | button_tick calls sys_poweroff |
10:12:16 | LinusN | wow, you are right |
10:12:18 | jhMikeS | sys_poweroff calls audio_stop_recording (if recording) and that calls yield |
10:12:20 | LinusN | *that* is bad |
10:12:38 | LinusN | that function should only post an event |
10:13:24 | jhMikeS | which? sys_poweroff? |
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10:14:38 | LinusN | barrywardell added that code in version 1.131 |
10:14:42 | LinusN | badness |
10:14:52 | LinusN | sys_poweroff() should only post an event |
10:18:39 | jhMikeS | It would be ok to check the recording status and skip it. Recording can stop normally then. Then just press the button again if you really want to shut down but it's easy to hold it too long by accident. |
10:27:45 | * | Bagder hopes the cvs table will look better now |
10:28:28 | JdGordon | e200 sim build is shown twice? |
10:28:40 | Bagder | let me repeat myself |
10:28:42 | * | Bagder hopes the cvs table will look better now |
10:28:48 | Bagder | :-) |
10:29:08 | * | JdGordon twiddles thumb |
10:29:09 | JdGordon | s |
10:29:11 | LinusN | jhMikeS: sounds like a good idea |
10:30:00 | Bagder | I edited the master file wrongly and the prev build took off in the middle of my fiddling with it |
10:30:01 | jhMikeS | ok, must make sure data isn't lost. Have to think of something for x5 though to stop the pcf timeout at least once. |
10:31:25 | petur | almost green |
10:31:26 | jhMikeS | H300 has the same timeout issue right? |
10:31:56 | Bagder | oh, no pic for it |
10:32:14 | petur | heh, just wanted to say that |
10:32:46 | * | JdGordon curses his 15" monitor... too damn narrow to see the whole table |
10:33:18 | petur | it just fits here in 1280x1024 - room for one more build :) |
10:33:54 | JdGordon | 1024x768, shows up to the h10-sim 9 builds off te screen and the all important score |
10:34:21 | Bagder | do we have a suitable pic for sansa for the build table? |
10:34:34 | Gnelik | From sim? |
10:34:38 | Gnelik | maybe? |
10:34:46 | Bagder | that one has red letters/digits on it |
10:35:09 | Gnelik | grrr |
10:36:21 | Bagder | I put the rockbox logo on it for now |
10:36:40 | jhMikeS | do all ports stop recording on a power press anyway otherwise some might just have a dead power button if recording |
10:37:39 | Gnelik | Bagder: don't we have somr nice photo of sansa? |
10:39:33 | jhMikeS | hmmm...even mpeg.c gets into a yield loop from there |
10:39:44 | Bagder | Gnelik: not that I know |
10:39:51 | Bagder | we need to have the right to use it |
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10:41:26 | Bagder | sandisk have "product photos" on their site but without any info on what use of them they allow |
10:42:04 | Bagder | http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/Default.aspx?CatID=1347 |
10:42:42 | mick_linux | hmmm, no installer in cvs yet (or i'm looking in the wrong place) |
10:44:42 | Bagder | no installer in cvs yet |
10:45:23 | mick_linux | :-( |
10:45:26 | Bagder | see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
10:45:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes, it is wrong to stop the recording like that in sys_poweroff(), plain and simple |
10:46:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hehe, recording and button processing is not quite as it should be |
10:46:23 | Gnelik | Bagder: but no info that their use was dissallowed |
10:46:40 | Bagder | no, but without permission it isn't allowed |
10:46:49 | amiconn | On hwcodec, when being in recording screen ready to record, and then the idle poweroff kicks in, the mpeg thread panics |
10:46:52 | habana | tried to make pics but they all suck |
10:47:04 | habana | even with a scanner (for sansa) |
10:47:05 | mick_linux | ah so the code is available... thought i'd have to wait on her to commit it |
10:47:24 | Bagder | mick_linux: I don't know the status of it though |
10:49:28 | mick_linux | well i'll have a look at the code and see if it will be feasable to add what i was planning (or if i should just use the functionality) |
10:49:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: [10:03:10] <jhMikeS> petur: it causes an interrupt handler to call yield <== OUCH!! |
10:49:55 | mick_linux | but i'm also not sure how much the code has changed in a year |
10:49:56 | petur | amiconn: don't we disable idle powerdown when in prerec? |
10:50:15 | amiconn | Prerecording, maybe. Not when prerecording isdisabled |
10:50:21 | petur | ah |
10:50:32 | Bagder | mick_linux: that code was put there by here just a few days ago |
10:50:37 | Bagder | by her even |
10:50:50 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking the event should be broadcast and things can handle it nicely |
10:51:08 | mick_linux | Bagder: i must be getting old -i forgot what year we are in :) |
10:51:14 | Bagder | hahaha |
10:51:22 | Gnelik | ping |
10:51:39 | JdGordon | Bagder: whats hapening wit the move to svn? still tinhking about it? |
10:52:11 | * | petur hands JdGordon new batteries for his wireless keyboard |
10:52:19 | Bagder | I'm not thinking about it at all ;-) |
10:52:28 | Bagder | but yeah, I think we should |
10:52:35 | Bagder | move |
10:52:47 | mick_linux | it worked great for us (the move) |
10:52:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: [10:31:27] <jhMikeS> H300 has the same timeout issue right? <= Don't think so |
10:53:07 | Bagder | the only prob is a busload of existing scripts using cvs |
10:53:08 | mick_linux | but well i want integration w/ the moz suite of tools (cvs only) |
10:53:15 | amiconn | Afaik we don't enable the hard shutdown timeout in the pcf for H300 |
10:53:23 | mick_linux | Bagder: it may not be worth the hasstle |
10:53:34 | amiconn | Maybe we should... |
10:53:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: doesn't the H300 have a pcf50606? It doesn't auto standby in 8s? |
10:53:54 | amiconn | H300 does have pcf50606 |
10:55:17 | jhMikeS | But...? It's chip doesn't cause standby in 8s after a 1s key press or does it not receive that signal? |
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11:01:34 | amiconn | You mean ONKEY1S? |
11:01:53 | amiconn | The H300 has separate ON and OFF buttons, unlike the X5 |
11:05:45 | jhMikeS | I wonder how it's wired cause 1s low on the ONKEY line, well, you know. Was thinking of resetting the timeout on the first press only to let things take their sweet time but not disable that little safety net that often obviates the need for using the reset hole. |
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11:07:37 | amiconn | On don't shutdown a H300 with the ON key... |
11:07:43 | amiconn | You... |
11:11:51 | * | jhMikeS guesses it's wired up quite differently then and off isn't hooked directly to the ONKEY pin |
11:17:17 | * | mick_linux suggests some options that are better than: Build (N)ormal, (D)evel, (S)imulator, (B)ootloader, (M)anual, (V)oice |
11:17:30 | mick_linux | what is the difference between Normal and Devel? |
11:17:47 | Bagder | devel allows you to set different build options |
11:17:59 | Bagder | logf enabled being perhaps the most used |
11:18:13 | mick_linux | ok |
11:18:28 | mick_linux | so if i just want to build it i take it that "N" is fine |
11:18:32 | Bagder | yeps |
11:18:37 | jhMikeS | I guess SYS_POWEROFF can be received through buttons so the recording screen can pick that off and terminate |
11:20:17 | Slasheri | if you mean SYS_POWEROFF received as an event, that wont work directly |
11:20:46 | Slasheri | and recording thread might not have time enough before power dies, so it should be handler somehow |
11:21:03 | Slasheri | *handled |
11:22:07 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: probably that should be handled in the shutdown handler in misc.c |
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11:22:38 | markun | Slasheri: doesn't the power die only after all the threads have terminated? |
11:23:56 | jhMikeS | SYS_POWEROFF is posted right into it. button_get returns is and get_action will return sys events untouched |
11:25:23 | habana | Badger : read on sandisk website :"SanDisk has provided the following downloadable images and guidelines for the convenience of members of the press and our partners" |
11:26:08 | habana | suppose it means it can be used on rockbox website without legal harrement |
11:26:32 | Bagder | yeah, it makes it sound like that. Where did you find that text? |
11:26:34 | Slasheri | markun: no, threads are left running |
11:26:52 | habana | http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/MediaKit/ |
11:26:59 | Bagder | ah |
11:27:50 | habana | bana |
11:27:53 | habana | lol |
11:28:24 | mick_linux | where are the build docs in the wiki? if i search for "build" or "building" it gives me nothing :-/ |
11:28:44 | linuxstb_ | Try "compile" or "compiling" |
11:29:00 | mick_linux | i think that i'm alright w/ what i have right now, but i'd like to double check :) |
11:29:00 | linuxstb_ | Or the docsindex page. |
11:29:02 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
11:29:36 | jhMikeS | of course nothing's written in stone and I'll be pleased to rewrite whatever bits give the slickest solution. yeah, the shutdown handler might be better...hmmm. SWCODEC normally does stops without asynchronously so there will need to be a way to wait from the outside (calling audio_stop_recording twice in a row would work :)) |
11:30:10 | Gnelik | Bagder: so we can use that photos? |
11:30:31 | Bagder | yeah, I'll crop and shrink one of them for now |
11:30:49 | Bagder | it'd be nicer to have one with a Rockbox logo later on |
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11:31:44 | mathgl | hi everybody. |
11:32:31 | habana | hi |
11:32:59 | jhMikeS | really I'd like all the public recording apis just to post and return and keep UI alive at all times. waiting on things only when needed. |
11:33:36 | Bagder | ok, there's now a sansa pic on the cvs page |
11:34:40 | Gnelik | pure quality |
11:35:51 | Bagder | markun: are we getting closer to adding a normal gigabeat build to the cvs table? |
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11:36:40 | markun | yes |
11:36:54 | markun | I'll try to sort it out this weekend |
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11:39:01 | * | linuxstb_ goes shopping for a wider monitor to view the build table |
11:39:49 | Bagder | I wonder if I should work on rotating the table |
11:40:25 | Bagder | to get targets in lines and dates in columns I mean |
11:41:09 | petur | would be better for the future ;) |
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11:42:06 | petur | but how will you make the date text vertical? |
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11:43:19 | Bagder | in that case I'd have to generate a new pic for each build |
11:43:34 | Bagder | like the ones I have there now |
11:43:51 | habana | Maybe could you add a sansa function "Getting Started: Installation / Removal" ? |
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11:45:08 | Bagder | habana: you mean in the manual? |
11:45:48 | Gnelik | We don't need it for now sansa port isn't working propertly |
11:45:48 | Gnelik | IMHO |
11:47:05 | habana | err, not function but "topic in forum" |
11:47:52 | habana | ok |
11:48:28 | * | amiconn still has plenty of space on the right side of the build table |
11:49:02 | Gnelik | amiconn: but not peaple with 600x800 resolution |
11:49:06 | amiconn | ...but not below it |
11:49:10 | Gnelik | :) |
11:49:10 | Gnelik | *people |
11:49:12 | amiconn | 1400x1050 here |
11:49:53 | * | petur has 1600x1200 at home but would not want to use it completely for the browser ;) |
11:50:09 | Bagder | I agree |
11:50:45 | Gnelik | petur what is the size of your monitor?? |
11:50:45 | Gnelik | 22"? |
11:51:18 | petur | 20" lcd |
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11:52:31 | mick_linux | rockbox/build/apps/language.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
11:52:33 | mick_linux | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status \n make[1]: *** [/home/mick/rockbox/build/rockboxui] Error 1 |
11:52:52 | Bagder | sounds like a build mixup somehow |
11:52:53 | mick_linux | is this a little/big endian issue? |
11:53:06 | bluebrother | tried a "make clean"? |
11:53:12 | mick_linux | i will now |
11:53:43 | mick_linux | ah yes, i know what it was - it was a build mixup |
11:53:45 | mick_linux | thanks ;) |
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11:58:15 | JdGordon | Bagder: if you rotate the build table, why does the cvs date need to be shown? how about have a "most recent" pic for the first column, then the give each build a number, (and if you really keen, have a voer tooltip over each build showin its change log), and put the score at the top? |
11:59:32 | * | JdGordon would love to put the hover changlog in no, but sucks at html |
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12:00:50 | mick_linux | the "hover changlog in no"? what do you mean? |
12:01:34 | JdGordon | like, you hover the mouse over the build date and the page that you would goto shows in a hover window |
12:02:13 | JdGordon | http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/default.php?page=1&ccsid=6b577e518e57b4ec5eb3c9e1c40ea17c&cPath=93_60 has it in a really bad way |
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12:05:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have an idea why enabling destination auto-align in ATA DMA (read transfer) makes it lose data? |
12:05:21 | mick_linux | JdGordon: sorry i was called away from my desk |
12:05:37 | mick_linux | JdGordon: do you want something fancy or basic? |
12:05:38 | amiconn | If we read too fast, I would expect doubled words, not lost words |
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12:05:51 | mick_linux | if you just want a tooltip, then set the title of the href |
12:06:18 | JdGordon | mick_linux: Id like the text that is in the page linked to by the build date to show i a small window |
12:06:27 | amiconn | DMA without auto-align is working perfectly (but is slower then the optimised asm) |
12:06:38 | amiconn | s/then/than/ |
12:06:46 | mick_linux | like <a href="nightly.zip" title="Build from 01/01/07> |
12:06:54 | mick_linux | err, you ge6t the idea |
12:07:00 | mick_linux | ok - you want something spiffy? |
12:07:11 | mick_linux | in that case what you'd need to do is use JS |
12:07:13 | JdGordon | yah, i guess so |
12:07:29 | mick_linux | ok, give me a sec |
12:08:56 | mick_linux | http://www.walterzorn.com/tooltip/tooltip_e.htm i've used this in the past |
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12:18:10 | LinusN | amiconn: i have no idea, sounds really odd. |
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12:35:52 | JdGordon | does anyone know how best to save the .playlit_control file to a different file? I think using this would make bookmarks better |
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12:41:07 | amiconn | LinusN: My tests showed that it loses _about_ every other word, not even exactly |
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12:41:57 | amiconn | Dunno whether a logic analyzer could tell us more in this case |
12:42:13 | amiconn | I even tried with really conservative ata timing |
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12:46:51 | JdGordon | does anyone know a program that can check a cd's genere on the net and apply it to the tracks tags? |
12:47:43 | Bagder | genres always suck anyway |
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12:48:40 | Slasheri | true, genre is the one that that is almost always wrong in internet databases |
12:48:44 | Slasheri | that=tag |
12:49:14 | JdGordon | yeah, but its still better than having a black metal cd under classical! |
12:49:17 | JdGordon | or <untagged> |
12:49:25 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
12:49:26 | daurnimator | yo |
12:49:33 | JdGordon | heres trouble... |
12:50:07 | bluebrother | JdGordon: something using musicbrainz maybe? amarok has support for it |
12:50:27 | JdGordon | hmm... forgot i had amorak open.. ill try |
12:50:48 | bluebrother | but it seems to have problems with proxied connections (which is why I haven't tried it more than once) |
12:50:57 | * | JdGordon wants to get his 20gb of music correclty tagged, and re-ripped higher quality |
12:51:37 | * | amiconn completely ignores genre tags |
12:51:53 | amiconn | I am currently re-ripping all my CDs as flac |
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12:52:09 | amiconn | preglow: Around? |
12:52:27 | JdGordon | 1.8" hard disks are too small for flac collections |
12:53:28 | amiconn | Yes, but I can transcode to whatever format I want without re-ripping then |
12:54:19 | JdGordon | true... |
12:54:29 | * | amiconn needs a way (i.e. script) to transcode flac to mp3 album-at-a-time, using lame -nogap |
12:54:47 | amiconn | ..and correct copying of tags |
12:56:30 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder, Slasheri: I suck big time! ;) |
12:56:36 | habana | For sansa, are we in "wait time" for MrH research concerning the wheel ?* |
12:56:50 | habana | its hard to look and cant use :) |
12:58:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: i do that too, rip all cds to flac and then convert to vorbis for a dap |
12:58:39 | * | Genre9mp3 wishes his collection was in vorbis |
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13:00:26 | JdGordon | how do i kill the system beeps in linux? |
13:00:44 | mick_linux | hmm, after building it says "you should have a fil called rockbox.zip" |
13:01:47 | markun | mick_linux: so? |
13:01:56 | mick_linux | i don't have it |
13:02:03 | mick_linux | JdGordon: use xset |
13:02:08 | habana | after make zip ? |
13:02:09 | markun | mick_linux: "make zip" |
13:02:25 | daurnimator | JdGordon: wavpack |
13:02:39 | daurnimator | JdGordon: same file sizes as flac, but has an option for "hybrid" |
13:02:55 | mick_linux | JdGordon: xset b off |
13:03:12 | daurnimator | JdGordon: hybrid spits out 2 files, one lossy of w/e quality you want, and a correction file which makes it into full quality |
13:03:30 | daurnimator | JdGordon: otherwise, i suggest musepack (does rockbox support that??) |
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13:03:42 | JdGordon | cheers mick_linux |
13:03:59 | mick_linux | JdGordon: did you use the JS thing btw? |
13:04:33 | mick_linux | markun: thanks, forgot about that |
13:05:45 | JdGordon | mick_linux: na, i didnt.. maybe later |
13:06:01 | mick_linux | for something non-spiffy setting the title is easy |
13:06:22 | JdGordon | na, we need spiff for sure.. i doubt other people want it |
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13:07:37 | Slasheri | make fullzip is even better if you are installing from scratch |
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13:13:24 | amiconn | daurnimator: Wavpack hybrid would be nice if wavpack wouldn't have drawbacks |
13:13:42 | amiconn | (1) Wavpack needs more decoding power than flac, mp3 and musepack |
13:14:14 | amiconn | (2) Wavpack lossy quality for a certain bitrate is worse than any dedicated lossy format |
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13:35:02 | daurnimator | amiconn: still.. the whole hybrid concept is very good ;) |
13:37:43 | Genre9mp3 | Does Rockbox support hybrid WV files? |
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13:53:58 | preglow | amiconn: am now |
13:55:36 | preglow | i'd contest point 2, really |
13:56:18 | preglow | wavpack's coding noise is just good old noise shaped quantisation noise, which is very much comparable to mp3's horrible freq glitching |
13:56:31 | preglow | but then again, the bitrates aren't in any way comparable anyway |
13:56:49 | amiconn | preglow: I was thinking about flac on SH1 |
13:56:55 | preglow | eh, take two: "which is very much preferable to mp3's horrible freq glitching" |
13:57:31 | amiconn | With 11MHz clock, we have about 125 clock cycles to process one sample (44.1kHz stereo) |
13:57:49 | amiconn | It should be possible to get the lpc decoding down to ~40 cycles sample. |
13:58:03 | preglow | yup |
13:58:07 | preglow | and not all frames are lpc |
13:58:11 | amiconn | But the rice decoding (?) is what makes me worry |
13:58:13 | preglow | the fixed functionality is way cheaper |
13:58:33 | amiconn | It uses several shift-by-n statements... |
13:58:35 | preglow | the rice decoding will no doubt be the tricky part |
13:58:51 | Genre9mp3 | So.. does anyone know if rockbox's WV decoder plays lossy .wv files as well? In addittion, if yes, is it able to play them "losslessly" when a .wvc is present? I really like the whole idea to tell you the truth |
13:58:55 | preglow | you're wishing they included that barrel shifter now, eh? :) |
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14:00:06 | amiconn | I wonder whether there is good reading about rice coding. Perhaps it's possible to optimise this |
14:00:33 | preglow | rice coding is a very popular scheme, so good docs should be about somewhere |
14:00:37 | preglow | i don't know much about it, however |
14:01:42 | amiconn | Shift-by-n in C is a subroutine call. Unsigned costs ~16 cycles, signed is a bit more expensive |
14:02:48 | preglow | what does flac use? |
14:04:43 | amiconn | It seems like there are both signed and unsigned shifts. This stuff uses multiple nested macros :/ |
14:05:13 | amiconn | ...and inline functions |
14:05:53 | amiconn | golomb.h and bitstream.h are the relevant files afaics |
14:06:09 | daurnimator | Genre9mp3: no one will answer you! |
14:06:49 | amiconn | Rockbox does play lossy and lossless wavpack, but no hybrid |
14:07:01 | amiconn | The bufering system doesn't allow this |
14:07:17 | JdGordon | thats enough retagging for me.. 6/21gb done :'( gnie all |
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14:08:01 | Genre9mp3 | daurnimator: amiconn just did! ;) |
14:08:04 | Genre9mp3 | thanks amiconn |
14:11:43 | * | Genre9mp3 dreams of a flac hybrid mode with bitrates for the lossy part similar to vorbis! :) |
14:12:13 | daurnimator | no, musepack! |
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14:29:07 | preglow | the bitrate will have to be pretty high unless you like hiss |
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14:30:44 | paines | hi |
14:30:52 | habana | hi |
14:33:20 | * | Genre9mp3 just noticed the Sansa build on the the CVS table :) |
14:34:32 | Bagder | :-) |
14:34:59 | Genre9mp3 | ignore one "the" or add "..." to the first one :P |
14:35:37 | preglow | hmm |
14:35:44 | preglow | how does 80gig 5.5gs work with rockbox? |
14:35:46 | preglow | at all? |
14:35:59 | Bagder | I think not at all |
14:36:26 | Bagder | we need to poke more on LinusN for that :-) |
14:36:37 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: The screen on the Sansa icon shows the retailOS? nasty... |
14:36:55 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: yeah, nobody volunteered a better one yet |
14:37:36 | Bagder | I guess we could play with gimp to fix that |
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14:41:26 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: done! I'm sending you a new one |
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14:43:30 | Bagder | much better! |
14:43:42 | Genre9mp3 | ;) |
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15:01:12 | XavierGr | what is the status of the sansa build? |
15:01:18 | daurn | left |
15:01:20 | XavierGr | any sound on it yet? |
15:01:30 | petur | green |
15:01:38 | Bagder | XavierGr: almost sound ;-) |
15:01:59 | XavierGr | so it boots up and can do most of the things? |
15:02:12 | Bagder | many things at least |
15:02:27 | XavierGr | nice to see another target on the list |
15:02:46 | XavierGr | the CVS build list is starting to get very very big! |
15:03:04 | petur | soon we'll need more servers? |
15:03:24 | Bagder | I don't think so |
15:03:40 | Bagder | I think the longest times now are the slowest servers and that the fastest can still build more |
15:03:41 | petur | was only joking ;) |
15:05:55 | * | amiconn nags Bagder a bit regarding speculative concurrent builds |
15:06:06 | Bagder | yeah |
15:06:59 | Bagder | I should also move the cvs builds to the download server |
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15:07:43 | amiconn | Hmm, and then there are those .map files to collect... |
15:08:08 | Bagder | amiconn: yeah, but *I* don't have to do that |
15:08:19 | Bagder | its just a matter of making sure they can be added to the zip |
15:08:40 | Bagder | hm |
15:08:42 | Bagder | or perhaps not |
15:08:49 | amiconn | Hmm. If they're added to the .zip, they will get installed on the targets |
15:09:00 | Bagder | yeah, and downloaded a million times unnecessary |
15:14:19 | preglow | has the jtagged sansa even been used? |
15:14:26 | Bagder | nope |
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15:17:09 | preglow | how about carting it off to dan_a? |
15:17:16 | preglow | sounds like he could put it to use |
15:19:32 | Bagder | I would indeed be willing to send it to someone who'd think they could use it |
15:20:07 | preglow | just sounds like a shame having something like that lying around unused when there's actual hacking going on |
15:20:11 | Bagder | I could even send the wiggler with it, although it isn't a 100% complete kit |
15:20:24 | preglow | i wonder if there is free software available that can use it, though |
15:20:31 | preglow | i don't really know enough about jtag to say |
15:21:08 | Bagder | there's OpenOCD |
15:21:34 | Bagder | but I'm not very fluent in JTAG either |
15:25:49 | preglow | surely looks like openocd would be it, though |
15:27:00 | markun | preglow: don't know how good this project is: http://jtager.sourceforge.net/ |
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15:57:32 | yohannmisquitta | Hello |
15:57:45 | markun | hi yohannmisquitta |
15:57:58 | yohannmisquitta | Hey markun |
15:58:27 | Genre9mp3 | I wouldn't try to spell this nick :) |
15:58:42 | yohannmisquitta | Has anyone had problems with builds >1203 on ipod 4g? |
15:58:51 | yohannmisquitta | :) |
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16:00:03 | yohannmisquitta | Every time I try to run the recent builds on my iPod the system freezes during playback |
16:00:10 | yohannmisquitta | Screen goes ga-ga |
16:00:35 | yohannmisquitta | Builds prior to Dec 02 are fine, though |
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16:03:56 | markun | yohannmisquitta: sorry, don't have an ipod |
16:04:06 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: That's what tab completion is for |
16:05:01 | Genre9mp3 | am*TAB*: sure! ;) |
16:05:07 | yohannmisquitta | Thanks markun...if you don't mind me asking, what do you run rb on? |
16:06:01 | yohannmisquitta | markun: can't get iriver H320 here in US that easily :( |
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16:06:05 | markun | iriver h120 and recently gigabeat f40 |
16:06:05 | Plouj- | hi |
16:06:16 | yohannmisquitta | Plouj-: hello |
16:06:32 | Plouj- | is there any better player that I can buy for the price of ipod nano 2GB which will support rock box just as well? |
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16:07:04 | yohannmisquitta | Plouj-: you could get an iriver H320 on ebay for $150 |
16:07:16 | Bonusbartus | bleubrother, Thanks for your mail :) |
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16:08:08 | Bonusbartus | I don't have much time this week and I have to send my h340 back for repairs, but I still have my old h120 to test something on when I get time :) |
16:09:09 | Plouj- | umm, where's the hardware compatibility page :) |
16:09:16 | Plouj- | I can't find it anymore |
16:09:40 | Bonusbartus | can anyone tell me: has anything been changed to the charging routines in the h340? or something else related to the battery? |
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16:10:01 | Bg3r | Bonusbartus: ? huh why ? |
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16:12:05 | Bonusbartus | because I have a 7 month old h340 and I got some problem with my battery. I first noticed it after I updated from a july build to an october build, and after searching the forums on mysticriver I see I'm not the only one with problems, coinsidence I hope?? |
16:12:08 | fasmaie | Hello, do the trackCount and rating features work on the H320? |
16:12:28 | Bg3r | Bonusbartus: what are the symptoms like ? |
16:13:15 | Plouj- | (found it) |
16:13:53 | Genre9mp3 | I've noticed some different charging behavior on H300 lately, too... It seems now that while charging the battery level easily gets at around 98% and remains there for some time, but then again, h300 charging is hardware controlled |
16:14:12 | Bonusbartus | well, first thing I noticed was that after I plugged the player in at night it fully charges, but after the battery is full it started to discharge (slowly) in the morning battery was everyday at 94% |
16:14:55 | Bonusbartus | second thing is worse, when I fully charged my battery and plug it into usb for a filetransfer the battery dies in a few minutes (battery problem or hdd problem?) |
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16:15:31 | Bonusbartus | it dies, completely shuts down like I touched the reset button |
16:15:54 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus: got my mail? |
16:16:01 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: No... I don't get such behavior here |
16:16:06 | Bonusbartus | when I wait a few minutes I can restart my player and battery looks 60% full, listening to music it works for about 3 hours |
16:16:42 | Bonusbartus | Bluebrother: ^^ already said that :P but wrote your nick wrong... but yeah I got it:) |
16:17:11 | bluebrother | ah, I just returned and looked only if someone highlighted me ;-) |
16:17:39 | Bonusbartus | Bg3r, now I reflashed original firmware but battery is still bad... |
16:18:03 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: It just seems that your battery is dying |
16:18:59 | Bg3r | Bonusbartus: Genre9mp3 is right |
16:19:23 | Bg3r | i had exactly the same symptoms and at the end replaced the battery |
16:19:44 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3: yeah I know, but I find it strange that my h120 (2,5years old) still works for 12 hours and my h340 has serios problems after 7 months... but I think the strangest thing is that there are lots of people with bad battery life lately |
16:20:17 | Bg3r | yeah, there are lots... |
16:20:41 | Bonusbartus | and, I saw on the misticriver forum (norbusans build), that someone complained of shorter battery life after a build in august... |
16:21:13 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: Did he made a battery bench? |
16:21:29 | Bonusbartus | don't know, but I noticed the same thing on that build... |
16:21:58 | Bonusbartus | for me it's not a serious problem, I m going to rma my player this week, but when it is rockbox related.... |
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16:22:09 | fasmaie | Bonusbartus: Did you notice if the complaints were specific to the H340 or was the same behaviour observed with the H320 as well? |
16:22:37 | Genre9mp3 | Well... that build is full of patches... you can never be sure what's to blame |
16:23:11 | Bonusbartus | fasmaie: can't say, don't got an h320, and they use the same firmware... |
16:23:37 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3, I know, but do you think it could be caused by either rockbox or one of the patches? |
16:24:15 | bluebrother | Bonusbartus: any idea where I can get hands on the cable of a remote? ebay doesn't seem to be useful for that |
16:24:28 | Bg3r | Bonusbartus: my h340's battery got fscked up after an year and half |
16:24:40 | Genre9mp3 | As I said... you can never know for sure... Best thing to do is to have a battery bench with a CVS build |
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16:26:04 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: no... I messed up the cable 4 times, and always just sended it back with my player ;) My last remote is going to be send together with my h340, I already phoned them if they would look into my remote problem too :D |
16:26:06 | Genre9mp3 | Album art patch in its current form keeps spinning the disk all the time AFAIK, and I don't know what's the case with that multi-font patch |
16:27:03 | bluebrother | too bad ... looks like the cable is the same for the PMP550 which was sold on ebay some time ago, but I missed that auction |
16:27:04 | Bonusbartus | Bg3r: yeah but that is twice the time mine worked good, and it didn't slowly weaken, but just didn't work good anymore after e few days.. |
16:27:23 | Genre9mp3 | Speaking of remotes.... I miss most of plugins in that screen |
16:27:27 | bluebrother | why can't they use something standard? *hmpf* |
16:27:37 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3: cant do that, battery life is bad now with all build |
16:27:50 | Genre9mp3 | Would a workaround on this be "easy"? |
16:28:01 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3: and I got the norbusans build without multifont patch |
16:28:38 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: I think a replacement is what you certainly need now |
16:28:49 | Genre9mp3 | battery replacement that is |
16:29:09 | Bonusbartus | bluebrother: Iriver europe (in germany) still sells the h100 remotes, I think you should phone them and ask if they wanna help you, my experience with them is very good... |
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16:30:22 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3, yeah, I am going to rma my player this week, but I just wanted to mention the problem because many people complain about it lately and I wouldn't want my new battery to die in a few days :P |
16:30:51 | Genre9mp3 | So.. as I was saying about remotes... since most of plugins are adapted for Archos displays, and Archos screen is smaller than iriver remotes, would a hack be easy to make the Archos plugins work on iriver remotes? |
16:31:12 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: Why RMA the player? Why not just buying a new battery yourself? |
16:32:19 | Bonusbartus | because RMAing is free, and if it isn't the battery itself but the mainboard they can repair it for me + I don't have any warranty left when I open it and plug a custom battery in |
16:32:34 | Bonusbartus | and battery life was 16 hour for me and thats enough for me :) |
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16:32:42 | Bonusbartus | + I got the external batery pack |
16:33:37 | Genre9mp3 | Bonusbartus: I don't know... It's just me taht I couldn't send away my beloved H340! :) |
16:34:39 | Bonusbartus | Genre9mp3: still got a working h120 (only first 450mb of diskspace has bad sectors...) |
16:35:30 | * | Genre9mp3 wants an H100 that I can put rockbox on it! |
16:35:43 | Bonusbartus | :D got one :P |
16:35:59 | Genre9mp3 | I have an H120 here but it's not mine... arghhhh |
16:36:25 | * | amiconn would be interested in a runtime test (iriver h1x0 or h300) with the fixed ata driver |
16:36:37 | Bonusbartus | amiconn: what? :P |
16:37:17 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What is your opinion about using archos plugins for iriver remotes? would be this possible/easy to do? |
16:37:17 | fasmaie | I want an H320, but it's a real pain getting them here |
16:37:28 | fasmaie | Fed up of iPod |
16:37:30 | Genre9mp3 | fasmaie: where? |
16:37:32 | fasmaie | Ohio |
16:37:35 | fasmaie | Us |
16:37:45 | Bonusbartus | fasme: why not an h340? |
16:37:47 | Genre9mp3 | fasmaie: What about eBay? |
16:37:58 | fasmaie | Why not indeed....same problem |
16:38:11 | fasmaie | Ebay seems to be the only option |
16:38:24 | preglow | amiconn: i can't remember, any reason why we don't use dma for ata on iriver? |
16:38:33 | fasmaie | I've been keeping my eye out for a good deal.....what would be a fair price for one? |
16:38:34 | Bonusbartus | fasmaie: can't you buy one in europe? the Iriver europe online shop still sells them |
16:39:17 | fasmaie | I looked at the UK site...they don't seem to list them |
16:40:37 | fasmaie | Aha! Found it |
16:40:37 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: We don't? AFAIK we do |
16:40:47 | preglow | Genre9mp3: i'm pretty sure we don't |
16:41:02 | preglow | at least i don't see why amiconn fixed his asm loop if we do |
16:41:49 | amiconn | preglow: I tried ata dma yesterday, check the logs |
16:41:55 | preglow | k |
16:42:16 | amiconn | Quick rationale: It works, as long as we don't use auto-align, but then it's slower than the optimised asm |
16:42:29 | amiconn | Enabling auto-align makes it lose data |
16:43:35 | amiconn | That makes no sense to me |
16:43:55 | amiconn | If we're reading too fast, we should get the same word twice occasionally |
16:44:11 | amiconn | I even tried with very conservative ata timing |
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16:44:52 | fasmaie | Damn, no H3xx for sale on iriver UK site |
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16:45:29 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: I don't understand what you mean. Obviously we cannot run archos code on iriver, different CPU. |
16:45:50 | amiconn | If you mean the graphics: sure we can reuse them for the remote display part |
16:45:53 | preglow | amiconn: you still think there's a bug in the dma controller, then? |
16:46:34 | amiconn | preglow: I tend to think that the dma controller has problems with the coldfire ide logic when aa is enabled |
16:47:03 | amiconn | I tested on X5 as well - same error pattern |
16:47:21 | amiconn | (That's SCF5250) |
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16:47:47 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: But what we cannot do is running 2 independent plugins at once, as there is only one GUI thread |
16:47:52 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Sorry if this sounds silly, but do the plugins use completely different code depending on target? |
16:48:34 | preglow | Genre9mp3: do you mean c code or asm code? |
16:48:36 | amiconn | The source code is the same apart from things like adapting resolution, depth, buttons |
16:48:42 | preglow | Genre9mp3: c code? perhaps. asm code? certainly |
16:48:52 | amiconn | C source I mean |
16:48:58 | preglow | some source code might differ depending on target, probably for optimising |
16:50:06 | Genre9mp3 | Well... as I'm thinking it, game and demo plugins could be easily get ported on remotes based on Archos versions... of course I don't expect to have rvf on iriver remotes ;) |
16:50:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | I personally would rather see the remote always show the RWPS if that were possible. |
16:50:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | As long as it's not a game that requires the remote (two player, and whatnot) |
16:50:57 | Genre9mp3 | Of course... the main LCD should be disabled by choice |
16:51:29 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Wouldn't this be tricky? To have plugin in one screen and WPS in the other? |
16:52:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Tricky in what way? |
16:52:41 | Genre9mp3 | draw 2 completely different screens at the same time |
16:52:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | We already have two different WPSes displaying concurrently as it is. |
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16:53:33 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: That's not possible with the current multi-screen gui concept as I already said |
16:53:55 | amiconn | We only have one gui thread, and hence you can run only one plugin at a time |
16:54:07 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: yes... that's what I've just said to Paul |
16:54:28 | Genre9mp3 | I was thinking of disabling the main screen when drawing remote plugins |
16:54:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, not quite. |
16:54:33 | amiconn | What would be relatively simple is adapting the plugins so that they display on both screens in parallel |
16:54:51 | amiconn | Some plugins already do this |
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16:55:26 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Yes, I said it would be tricky... not exactly that it's not possible with the current gui thread |
16:55:38 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: And btw, rvf on the iriver remote would be very possible |
16:55:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: No, I meant, you said two things can't be drawn at once, which is a different concept from what amiconn's saying. |
16:55:50 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Sounds interesting :) |
16:56:18 | amiconn | ..but not in parallel with another task using the timer, i.e. not in parallel with rvf or grayscale lib on the main lcd (H1x0) |
16:56:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | You could have two very different things displaying, easily, it would just have to be one source doing the displaying. |
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17:05:47 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: btw... I wonder how rvf would be on iriver remotes since they lack on refreshing rate |
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17:09:12 | amiconn | ? |
17:10:17 | Genre9mp3 | iriver remotes LCD have low refreshing rates... am I wrong? |
17:10:44 | amiconn | We can do more than 160 fps even without boosting |
17:10:47 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
17:11:35 | netmasta10bt | do we know where the adc3515 is mapped to? |
17:11:39 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...but then why fast scrolling seems blurry on my remote? |
17:12:30 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with the frame rate, but with the lcd panel itself |
17:12:57 | amiconn | The lcd panel being somewhat slow is actually good, a very fast panel would flicker like hell with our greyscale method |
17:13:00 | Genre9mp3 | ah... well, that's what I had in mind the first place... sorry |
17:13:31 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...your last statement made me even more curious! :) |
17:18:24 | ivirix | hey guys, does anyone have experience with building a firmware for gigabeat Fxx series? |
17:18:33 | amiconn | The bad thing would be that on ticking irivers, greyscale and rvf on the remote would cause buzzing, because the ticking reduction would have to be disabled while running greyscale / rvf. |
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17:21:42 | n1s | When adding a function to the plugin api, should i add it before the stuff it says to keep at the bottom? |
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17:31:42 | PaulPosition | 'ticking' iriver ? |
17:31:58 | PaulPosition | oh, nvm |
17:32:32 | n1s | so, anyway does anyone want to take a look at a patch i made that fixes the backdrop/foreground problem in the jpeg plugin? |
17:32:55 | n1s | or should I just commit it and see if anyone complains? ;-) |
17:33:21 | PaulPosition | n1s - Never really used the jpeg viewer but I'm willing to patch, build and fire it if you tell me what to look for. :p |
17:33:35 | n1s | http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/jpegbackdrop.diff |
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17:33:58 | n1s | see if it works ok and that foreground, background and backdrop looks ok |
17:34:04 | Gnelik | Hi! |
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17:36:32 | n1s | PaulPosition: wait, i think something's wrong |
17:37:18 | PaulPosition | n1s - Just to make sure : unpatched I get black as a bckground, no foreground to speak of and the image is right. |
17:37:22 | PaulPosition | n1s - sure.. :p |
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17:42:22 | n1s | PaulPosition: wanna test now? |
17:42:32 | PaulPosition | Sure, did you change anything to your diff file? |
17:42:52 | n1s | yes, a silly typo |
17:43:01 | ivirix | does anyone have rockbox runnig on gigabeat F series? |
17:43:02 | n1s | that, broke something |
17:43:36 | PaulPosition | n1s - Okay.. same link? |
17:43:41 | n1s | yes |
17:45:28 | PaulPosition | n1s - Compiling right now... While we're at it : what's expected behaviour from unpatched vs patched? Maybe I should fetch myself a WPS that uses a backdrop? |
17:46:06 | n1s | it's enough to set a menu backdrop, it will show under the image in jpegviewer in cvs |
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17:46:36 | PaulPosition | n1s - Okay, I'll throw the first 128*128 file I could find... |
17:46:58 | markun | ivirix: I have |
17:46:59 | n1s | with the patch the background should always be black and your usual foreground/background/backdrop should show in the menu in the jpegviewer |
17:47:10 | markun | ivirix: come to #gigabeat |
17:50:19 | PaulPosition | n1s - Okay. Indeed right now the backdrop shows in the viewer. Compiling is done, I'll try it out soon. |
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17:53:36 | Gnelik | dan_a: No news about datasheets? |
17:54:08 | dan_a | Gnelik: Not that I've heard |
17:55:10 | PaulPosition | n1s - Okay, so the viewer seems allright, although I haven't loaded a huge jpeg in it.. Black background while viewing, theme's settings in the menu (ie, backgrop, foreground). Any particular behaviour you'd like me to test? |
17:55:49 | n1s | sounds good, i can't think of anything else to test really, thanks |
17:55:58 | PaulPosition | You're welcome :) |
17:56:22 | n1s | Anyone against a commit, amiconn? ;-) |
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17:58:36 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Still running that patched build? |
17:59:16 | Arathis | PaulPosition: yes, but didn't touch the player since I left ^^ |
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18:00:20 | PaulPosition | Arathis - right. :p |
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18:14:35 | TeaSea | Everyone seen the news? CNet's James Kim died. |
18:15:13 | kubiix | what for is used the directory codepages ? |
18:15:26 | PaulPosition | uh? |
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18:35:13 | Genre9mp3 | Does Rockbox supposed to support ADPCM in wav? |
18:35:23 | preglow | some kinds, yes |
18:35:45 | Genre9mp3 | I'm experimenting with one and the time is way off |
18:36:03 | Genre9mp3 | It's 5:20 but Rockbox thinks it is 67:48:01 |
18:36:13 | preglow | *shrug* |
18:37:22 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... crashed twice so far, too |
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18:40:43 | n1s | ??? anyone knows why the H120 build died from ICE ? |
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18:42:27 | amiconn | n1s: You revealed a build server configuration error |
18:42:38 | amiconn | bygg.haxx.se runs too old an m68k-elf-gcc |
18:42:56 | n1s | so it isn't my fault :-) |
18:43:02 | amiconn | 3.4.1, minimum required is 3.4.5 iirc and 3.4.6 is recommended |
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18:43:32 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2006-12-07%2017%3A23%3A53&type=iriver%20H120%20-%20Normal "... Using m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.1 (304) ..." |
18:43:47 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
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18:47:26 | pondlife | Can the bleeding-edge sim builds to be downloaded from somewhere? |
18:47:46 | n1s | don't think so... |
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18:48:11 | pondlife | Just wondered. I guess we'd need make zip for the sims first. |
18:48:34 | amiconn | It wouldn't make sense |
18:48:46 | n1s | I can't say I see the point, sims are for devs and devs compile |
18:49:08 | amiconn | They're built under linux, and for the architecture / distro of the respective build server |
18:49:15 | pondlife | Aha |
18:49:26 | pondlife | Of course. |
18:49:51 | amiconn | E.g. if you would download a sim built on amiconn.dyndns.org, chances are you couldn't run the binary at all |
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18:50:00 | amiconn | (it's an amd64 machine) |
18:51:08 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you expect a big runtime improvement on an H300 with the new ATA code? |
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18:55:11 | lowlight | pondlife: rasher compiles win32 sim builds...http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
18:55:58 | pondlife | No problem, I can make my own, but wondered if it would be a good idea to promote the use of the sim for general playback testing. |
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19:07:01 | markun | nice mod roolku made! http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RTCModH1x0 |
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19:07:30 | n1s | yes, very impressive, and well documented :-) |
19:09:03 | markun | I could swear that someone else also tried it but I can't find it in the logs.. |
19:09:06 | preglow | haha |
19:09:09 | preglow | it rocks quite badly |
19:09:28 | preglow | i think someone else mentioned the concept a good while ago |
19:09:31 | preglow | but that might also have been roolu :> |
19:09:37 | preglow | roolku, yes |
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19:14:04 | paines | hi |
19:15:58 | paines | for some reason i cannot copy songs to my ipod nano anymore. I use amarok. the songs are copied, but then when I want to listen, there are no songs on it. now i thought to install rockbox. will the whole ipod firmware be erased ? sorry I am totally new to this |
19:16:32 | n1s | no, rockbox coexits nicely with the original firmware on ipods |
19:17:30 | paines | so there is something like a bootmanager an d you can choose between 2 systems? |
19:18:00 | n1s | yes, hold menu while turning it on to get to the original firmware |
19:19:09 | paines | intresting |
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19:21:58 | tucoz | is there a general concensus(?) against putting the GPL in the manual, or do people think it is a good idea? |
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19:22:49 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: I would say go for it... at least I can't find a good reason not to include |
19:23:17 | tucoz | Genre9mp3: thanks. |
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19:24:09 | tucoz | my idea of the manual is that it should be a first of all a reference to all the features of rockbox, and also include a "get started" section |
19:24:43 | bluebrother | tucoz, I'm for including |
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19:25:05 | tucoz | And by that, i think we should make it clear license rockbox itself is under |
19:25:11 | tucoz | bluebrother: good :) |
19:25:14 | bluebrother | I already downloaded the template from the gnu website but failed to find the time looking further into it |
19:25:36 | bluebrother | I think we could have a chapter in the appendix "licenses" |
19:25:47 | tucoz | good idea |
19:26:00 | bluebrother | which introduces into the topic a bit ("manual is gfdl ... rb is gpl ...") |
19:26:14 | bluebrother | and have the licenses as sections. |
19:26:18 | tucoz | or maybe that could come first? |
19:26:36 | bluebrother | the introduction? Yes. |
19:26:48 | tucoz | Yes. in the beginning of the manual |
19:26:50 | bluebrother | small introduction, then the licenses itself |
19:26:54 | tucoz | oh |
19:27:14 | tucoz | like that. hmm. That might work as well |
19:27:16 | bluebrother | no, that'd be the wrong place imo. |
19:27:48 | bluebrother | but we could simply add a sencence in the introduction ("... this is free software, please see appendix <foo> for details") |
19:27:58 | tucoz | maybe you are right. I´ve been out of the loop for a while, so my brain has gone all soft and mushy. |
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19:28:51 | bluebrother | we would need to change the layout of the licenses a bit, but that's a thing I wanted to do anyway |
19:29:14 | bluebrother | as it currently doesn't fit nicely with the rest of the manual |
19:29:18 | tucoz | Hmm. in what way would you like them changed? |
19:29:53 | bluebrother | e.g. the links in the pdf structure view don't work |
19:30:28 | bluebrother | and the caps for the section titles. Should be at least small caps, or simply the face that is used for all sections |
19:30:49 | tucoz | ah. things like that should be changed, yes. Maybe we should only link to the license itself, and not to every single subsection of it. |
19:30:55 | bluebrother | so, mostly using \section-s |
19:30:56 | tucoz | That is, in the index |
19:31:11 | tucoz | Not index the subsections |
19:31:11 | bluebrother | agreed. Should be completely sufficient. |
19:31:34 | bluebrother | currently they are indexed by adding specials, not by the use of sections etc. |
19:32:07 | tucoz | The GPL is also quite different from our formatting |
19:32:51 | tucoz | I´ll be back later tonight. I can work on the licenses then. |
19:33:31 | bluebrother | maybe also add something regarding the themes. |
19:33:54 | PaulPosition | bluebrother - Themes are difficult... Can't really go retro-active on them, could we? |
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19:33:57 | bluebrother | "themes distributed with rb are gpl (are they?), other themes may or may not be freely distributable" |
19:33:59 | tucoz | rockbox-themems? |
19:34:08 | tucoz | aha |
19:34:40 | bluebrother | to make clear separately distributed themes are not part of rockbox regardless of their source |
19:34:43 | Dhanjel | common question probably, but does anyone have some nice ipod mini themes except thoose on the rockbox homepage? |
19:35:04 | bluebrother | Dhanjel, have you looked at http://www.rockbox-themes.org ? |
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19:35:22 | tucoz | bbl |
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19:36:58 | Dhanjel | bluebrother: yeah but I don't really like them |
19:37:19 | n1s | you can always make your own ;-) |
19:37:22 | Dhanjel | http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=65&t=141258&st=0#entry1220054 made two myself, but don't like them either ;) |
19:37:38 | PaulPosition | oh well... |
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19:39:41 | bluebrother | you could also try to adjust one that's for the h100 series −− the lcd size is pretty similar |
19:40:00 | bluebrother | adjusting e.g. zezayer should be pretty easy |
19:40:46 | PaulPosition | dan_a : So, do you have any idea what/how stuff gets broken in H10's and iPods with that dualboot patch? |
19:41:11 | scorche | bluebrother: afaiu, the WPSs are not GPL |
19:41:38 | bluebrother | the wps' in the Rockbox distribution? |
19:41:59 | scorche | default, yes |
19:42:06 | scorche | but otherwise, no |
19:42:40 | bluebrother | hmm. Would be best to clear this issue and add the information somewhere. Maybe in the manual, maybe in some docs/COPYING-WPS |
19:42:55 | scorche | It would be |
19:43:09 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Not yet. I'm fairly certain that it's different things. Could you try EQ on your H10, and see if that crashes too? |
19:43:40 | dan_a | I suspect it's something to do with the fact that crossfeed is written in assembler, but I've not worked out what yet |
19:43:41 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, if you have some time, could you try if that rombox patch breaks rombox generation for archoses? |
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19:43:48 | PaulPosition | dan_a : sure will. in a moment. |
19:43:53 | Slasheri | if it does not, then i could at least commit that :) |
19:46:03 | bluebrother | scorche, the included wps are gpl: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS |
19:46:43 | Dhanjel | bluebrother; will look on the h100 themes, thanks |
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19:50:25 | Dhanjel | hard to do anything interesting on a ipod mini :) |
19:50:45 | scorche | bluebrother: makes sense...i was thinking default because it is hardcoded in, but as they *are* distributed... |
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19:52:45 | preglow | jhMikeS, petur: i just did 2:30 of wavpack recording with default agc and there were no glitches i could hear, and i've heard the material i recorded billions of times, so i would notice |
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19:54:59 | PaulPosition | Dan_a: Ok.. With yesterday's cvs patched to e200-dualboot, the EQ *does* work, all 5 bands of it on jazz preset. No skip (yet) but very unresponsive menu, same behaviour as regular cvs. |
19:55:42 | dan_a | Odd. |
19:55:42 | PaulPosition | dan_a : To be sure I had still same version as yesterday, crossfeed is still an instant freeze. ;) |
19:56:04 | habana | PaulPosition:how can you manage to move without wheel ? |
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19:56:16 | habana | telekinesy ? |
19:56:19 | PaulPosition | habana - I use a h10, not an ipod. |
19:56:21 | PaulPosition | :p |
19:56:50 | PaulPosition | habana: Wish I could do telekinesis, I need a coffee and a cigarette but I'm laaaazy |
19:57:06 | habana | ssansa for me, not bêêêê |
19:57:33 | preglow | shouldn't surprise you that eq is sluggy with five bands |
19:57:33 | dan_a | preglow: (since you wrote the dsp_arm code) Can you think of any obvious reason why changing crt0 should cause a data abort in apply_crossfeed for the h10? |
19:57:40 | preglow | dan_a: ??? |
19:57:50 | preglow | which instruction bugs out? |
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20:00:04 | PaulPosition | preglow: 0x000353a4 apply_crossfeed |
20:00:14 | preglow | that tells me very little |
20:00:17 | dan_a | ldr r8, [r0, #4] - just inside .cfloop (assuming that the address given in the data abort is the exact instruction causing the problem) |
20:00:19 | preglow | you need to disassemble |
20:00:37 | preglow | yeah, unless i've fucked up badly, the address should be accurate |
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20:01:40 | preglow | dan_a: weird |
20:01:50 | dan_a | That's what I thought! |
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20:02:21 | preglow | this sounds like a corrupted data thing |
20:02:30 | preglow | but that's a bit unlikely |
20:03:15 | dan_a | I guess we need to find the value of R0 to see where it's trying to read from |
20:03:37 | PaulPosition | Dan_a : Ahh.. If it matters, any increment in pitch screen will also freeze the player. But I lost my rockbox.map in a recent purge so I'm going to re-compile and retest and tell you soon. |
20:03:41 | PaulPosition | (just found out) |
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20:04:09 | preglow | dan_a: the weird thing is r0 has just been used to read data |
20:04:13 | preglow | dan_a: without a data abort |
20:05:15 | preglow | so this being an alignment issue would be really weird |
20:05:24 | preglow | but that's the only reason i've ever gotten a data abort |
20:05:25 | dan_a | But it gets incremented a line later |
20:05:36 | preglow | sure, but incrementing doesn't bring it out of alignment |
20:05:58 | dan_a | Doesn't reading from non-existant memory give a data abort? Or is that a prefetch abort? |
20:06:09 | preglow | prefetch abort has to do with code reads |
20:06:19 | preglow | trying to execute code in illegal memory |
20:06:23 | preglow | addresses even |
20:06:58 | preglow | anyway, r0 should never contain an address outside of the small ringbuffer at the near end of crossfeed_data |
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20:07:54 | preglow | r0 isn't banked, so you could try to make the exception handler print it |
20:07:59 | preglow | just make sure it isn't clobbered |
20:08:35 | preglow | it is by default, but you could make a quick temp hack that preserves it |
20:08:46 | dan_a | I'll have a go at that. Are you OK to do some more tests, PaulPosition? |
20:09:00 | PaulPosition | dan_a : sure.. |
20:09:04 | PaulPosition | Dan_a : Ahh.. If it matters, any increment in pitch screen will also freeze the player. But I lost my rockbox.map in a recent purge so I'm going to re-compile and retest and tell you soon. |
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20:10:13 | PaulPosition | dan_a : Or would you rather I keep testing from my 'yesterday' build instead of current cvs? (though I have no access anymore to yesterday's .map) |
20:10:17 | preglow | dan_a: in data_abort_handler in crt0*.S (whichever actually gets used), just do a mov r2, r0 at the start, then give UIE another parameter. it will end up in that |
20:10:46 | * | preglow wonders why the exception handling code is in both crt0-pp.S and crt0.S |
20:10:47 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Current CVS is fine. |
20:12:13 | dan_a | preglow: firmware/target/arm/crt0.S is only used on non-PP targets, crt0-pp.S is used on the PP targets. |
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20:13:21 | preglow | dan_a: but it's shared code, i thought that should be located in crt0.S |
20:13:28 | preglow | anywho, it's probably just something that needs doing :) |
20:14:35 | dan_a | I'll fix it - if someone else doesn't get there first |
20:14:37 | preglow | it's generic arm code, at least |
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20:18:43 | lowlight | dan_a: I'm going through the disassembly of the Olympus mr-100 bootloader (it's a PP5020 device). Want to see any of the cpu init parts? |
20:19:23 | dan_a | lowlight: It would be very interesting to compare them to what we've got, yes :) |
20:19:29 | preglow | indeed |
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20:20:29 | PaulPosition | dan_a: Hmmkay. Using pitch up or down freezed the player with a data abort at 0x40000920 .. rockbox.map tells me it would be in : |
20:20:32 | PaulPosition | 0x400008f4 fiq |
20:20:37 | PaulPosition | which is from : |
20:20:46 | PaulPosition | .icode 0x400008f4 0xc8 /home/user/rockbox-devel/rockbox-devel/build/librockbox.a(pcm_playback.o) |
20:21:07 | lowlight | dan_a: starts here...http://pastebin.ca/270832 |
20:21:21 | PaulPosition | (next address would be 0x400009bc... |
20:22:16 | dan_a | lowlight: Thanks |
20:23:25 | lowlight | then goes here...http://pastebin.ca/270837 |
20:23:55 | dan_a | PaulPosition: try doing "arm-elf-objdump -D build/apps/rockbox.elf | less" and see what the exact instruction at 0x40000920 is |
20:24:11 | PaulPosition | sure. |
20:24:42 | PaulPosition | dan_a from what folder? |
20:25:25 | PaulPosition | nevermind... |
20:26:38 | habana | Crazy interrogation: as it's possible to use internet protocol over USB, theorically Rockbox could be directly connected to the web (with an appropriate network stack) ? |
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20:28:58 | netmasta10bt | you just blew my mind! |
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20:29:05 | PaulPosition | dan_a : the relevant part (well, I think!) of the dump : http://pastebin.ca/270847 |
20:29:07 | dan_a | lowlight: The second is the same as the first... What happens at 0x1170C? |
20:29:41 | habana | netmasta10bt: positively or negative ? |
20:30:00 | habana | hope you dont laugh :\ |
20:30:22 | netmasta10bt | habana: im not sure what to think −− its different |
20:30:56 | lowlight | dan_a: a branch: LDR R12, =(loc_4DC2+1); BX R12 |
20:31:18 | lowlight | that's the second pastebin link |
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20:31:48 | habana | netmasta10bt: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ |
20:32:47 | habana | in fact, im pretty sure that Rockbox will have soon an ip stack. At least if it's ported to Zune and sucessors |
20:32:56 | dan_a | lowlight: no it isn't - look again ;) |
20:32:58 | lowlight | dan_a: http://pastebin.ca/270832 then the branch to http://pastebin.ca/270837 |
20:33:42 | dan_a | Ermm... I was wrong. I'd put the same address in both windows. Sorry! |
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20:34:51 | preglow | i wonder why i keep reading "ldr r1, =const \n mov sp, r1" in places. "ldr sp, =const" should be just as legal |
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20:38:29 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Do you have a 20Gb h10? Or one of the smaller ones? |
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20:38:52 | PaulPosition | dan_a : The 5gb model. |
20:39:16 | PaulPosition | dan_a : Arathis, who was on earlier, does have a 20gb with the patch installed (we did it yesterday) |
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20:40:07 | dan_a | PaulPosition: I'm just building you a new firmware to test. I'll mail it to you when it's done. Though I think I forgot to apply Barry's patch... |
20:41:41 | PaulPosition | dan_a : won't be very usefull then... Just the bootloader, just the firmware, or both? (it might not work if they're not synced) |
20:42:38 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Just the firmware, but I'll get Barry's patch applied before I send it |
20:43:26 | PaulPosition | dan_a: perfect. |
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20:44:18 | Atomicsunset | anyone able to help me with an Ipod 5g doom.wad question? |
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20:45:35 | n1s | Atomicsunset: if it isn't answered in the manual/wiki |
20:46:05 | Atomicsunset | i have what i think is the wad i just dunno where to put it :P |
20:46:44 | n1s | that is indeed in the maual/wiki http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1130008.1.4 |
20:46:55 | Atomicsunset | thanks |
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20:52:58 | PaulPosition | dan_a: r0 was 4D076AF4 |
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20:54:04 | dan_a | PaulPosition: Can you try a few times and make sure you get the same result? |
20:54:15 | PaulPosition | sure. gimme a second. |
20:54:47 | Atomicsunset | lol ok i got the demo working... |
20:54:56 | Atomicsunset | but i cant bring the menu up to quit the demo |
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20:58:03 | dan_a | PaulPosition: That's way outside any address that we should be reading from, AFAIK |
20:58:49 | PaulPosition | dan_a: 4D076AF4 −−- 4D076AF4 −−- Weird, third reboot it hung on reboot with Data Abort at 0000FF2C −−- 4D076AF4 ... |
20:59:05 | PaulPosition | (the hang on reboot is just bad luck I think) |
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21:01:49 | PaulPosition | dan_a: (but if it can serve anything, that error on boot was on " ff2c:e587a000 strsl, [r7] ") |
21:03:32 | PaulPosition | dan_a: as for the abort on changing pitch: data abort at 40000920, r0 was 9D100000 |
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21:03:44 | swimmer | hi all |
21:04:07 | swimmer | I installed Rockbox today on my iriver H340 and all was fine in the beginning |
21:04:37 | swimmer | but then I started to play around with the settings (mainly changing themes) and now my iriver seems to be hung up |
21:05:05 | PaulPosition | swimmer : symptoms? |
21:05:17 | swimmer | no more reactions to any keypresses and when I try to connect it to my linux PC I can't get any connections |
21:05:21 | swimmer | PaulPosition: dead |
21:05:32 | swimmer | PaulPosition: simply dead - no more reaction |
21:05:40 | swimmer | what can I do? |
21:06:00 | n1s | reset with a paperclip in the small hole bleow the mic |
21:06:12 | swimmer | what does reset do precisely? |
21:06:18 | swimmer | is it only cold restart? |
21:06:19 | n1s | (labeled reset) ;-) |
21:06:26 | swimmer | or does it reset settings as well? |
21:06:33 | n1s | yes restart |
21:07:01 | * | n1s wonders why so many people think a reset will whipe settings/disk |
21:07:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:08:08 | swimmer | ah thx |
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21:08:24 | swimmer | did not notice this little magic hole before :) |
21:09:06 | PaulPosition | heh... On the iRiver H10 20gb you NEED the reset hole because the original firmware doesnt shut down, only goes into sleep eating away at the batteries. |
21:09:11 | mag | hello! I have this problem with rockbox on the nano. I'm using the cvs builds, but i've also tried the daily builds. |
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21:09:54 | mag | I'm new to rockbox, so I don't know what to do when i select "rockbox" and then it seems to go back to the calendar/contacts/notes state |
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21:10:12 | mag | Anyone seen this? |
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21:11:23 | PaulPosition | mag - When you select rockbox from where? bootloader? |
21:11:29 | dan_a | mag: You are in the file browser view - calendar/contacts/notes are folders on your iPod. rockbox is the firmware file, and by selecting it, you run it |
21:12:50 | dan_a | On an iPod, you probably need to use Database View - it's more like the way that the iPod works. There is a section in the manual about it (though it may be referred to as TagCache in the manual) |
21:13:06 | n1s | ...and another ususpecting user becomes a victim of the cunning ROLO :-D |
21:14:41 | PaulPosition | dan_a: I'll be around for a few hours still, so if you have anything to test don't hesitate. |
21:14:45 | dan_a | I really think that it shouldn't be so easy to do that. It's great for developers, but not so great for users |
21:15:01 | dan_a | PaulPosition: I'm working on it at the moment |
21:15:08 | mag | thanks, I'll try it |
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21:15:19 | PaulPosition | maybe rockbox.h10 shouldn't be there with 'view supported' but only with 'view all' ? |
21:15:33 | PaulPosition | So it's less of an obvious 'CLICK ME' to the new ones.. |
21:15:48 | mag | Can I get it to import the existing ITunified database that already is there |
21:15:48 | PaulPosition | (make it rockbox.ipod or whatever) |
21:16:24 | PaulPosition | mag - If you search the wiki, I think someone made a plugin for that but I can't say if it works well or at all. |
21:17:14 | dan_a | mag: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache |
21:17:14 | mag | PaulPosition: thanks |
21:17:28 | mag | dan_a: great, I'll try that next |
21:18:26 | PaulPosition | mag- personnally, i find iTunes way of cramming all the files together with cryptic names totally stupid, and it stops me from moving them songs freely (like, is my Mozart that 111_EC-082323EOCDD.mp3 file or is it rather the 8902_FFFLO32L555_CD2332.mp3 ??) |
21:18:57 | preglow | eh, is a tool needed? |
21:19:13 | preglow | can't you just let rockbox scan and build a database itself? |
21:19:33 | preglow | PaulPosition: i don't think apple's priorities are in letting users move songs freely... |
21:19:56 | PaulPosition | preglow - Of course they're not. Oh, I did say stupid, I meant crippled-by-design |
21:19:56 | mag | PaulPosition: I agree totally, that's why I'm trying RB. But it's nice to be able to convert the existing files already on the device |
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21:20:25 | PaulPosition | mag - sure do, get started quick and THEN fiddle with the device as time allows :) |
21:20:50 | lowlight | I'm confused by this code...say r0 is a GPIOD_INPUT_VAL, then lsl r0, r0, #0x1B; asr r0, r0, #0x1F; add r0, #1 extracts a bit and adds 1 |
21:20:56 | mag | PaulPosition: what are you saying? that it will never be perfect? :) |
21:21:23 | lowlight | then is cmp r0, #0 ever true? |
21:21:31 | PaulPosition | mag - nope, I understood you wanting to get started using that and only then taking time to explore the native database or other stuff. :) |
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21:21:38 | mag | lowlight: what kind of assembly is that, reminds me of th z80 and c64 |
21:22:15 | mag | PaulPosition: You're correct, I have to have it working tomorrow since I'll be travelling for hours |
21:22:17 | amiconn | PaulPosition: That wouldn't make sense - the rockbox.<target> (resp. ajbrec.ajz / archos.mod) _are_ supported files |
21:22:28 | lowlight | mag: arm |
21:22:30 | mag | PaulPosition: but ofcourse I couldn't wait :) |
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21:23:05 | mag | lowlight: yeah it looks like a combination between the amiga and z80 somehow :) |
21:23:57 | lowlight | this is my first venture into code disassembly |
21:24:23 | PaulPosition | amiconn - Yeah, I see where your coming from. They are indeed. Thing is so many Official Firmware hides the 'music' or 'mp3' or whatever folders that, on first boot, you only get like rockbox as a menu item. |
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21:25:50 | PaulPosition | Maybe a default view of 'show all' and it'd be obvious one is looking at the drive's root? Or no change anyway since, after a 20 seconds panic, most users find out where they erred. :p |
21:25:58 | amiconn | lowlight: To answer your question - yes, r0 may become 0 |
21:26:45 | * | amiconn still wonders why so much arm code uses shifts _that_ excessively |
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21:26:46 | lowlight | how? I thought the bit would be 1 or 0, then +1 |
21:26:59 | amiconn | No, it would be -1 or 0 |
21:27:05 | amiconn | (before the addition |
21:27:07 | amiconn | ) |
21:27:23 | amiconn | The register, of course, not the bit |
21:28:04 | amiconn | lsl r0, r0, #0x1B shifts bit 4 up to the MSB |
21:28:23 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you know how to make a section not automatically be assigned a number |
21:28:27 | amiconn | asr r0, r0, #0x1F then shifts it down - but an arithmetic shift sign-extends |
21:28:35 | amiconn | ...and the topmost bit is the sign |
21:28:36 | * | jhMikeS looks sadly at the empty cradle :( |
21:29:07 | tucoz | bluebrother, now i do \subsection*{Preamble}, but the result is G.1.1 Preamble |
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21:29:29 | amiconn | So what ends up in r0 after the addition is gpio bit 4 - negated |
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21:29:53 | lowlight | ok (i think)...that will occupy my mind while I go sit through a meeting :) |
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21:30:06 | amiconn | (and I would do this with only 2 instructions) |
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21:31:05 | amiconn | In case you want to know: mvn r0, r0, lsr #4; and r0, r0, #1 |
21:31:21 | tucoz | bluebrother, nevermind. I looked at the wrong page. Adding an asterisk is the way to go. |
21:31:48 | amiconn | (and the latter could even be ands r0, r0, #1 , saving the cmp instruction afterwards) |
21:32:47 | amiconn | But compilers are dumb, sometimes... |
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21:36:23 | dan_a | PaulPosition: At the moment, I'm completely stumped |
21:37:00 | PaulPosition | dan_a: no problem, I can understand that. :) |
21:37:47 | mag | dan_a, PaulPosition: Thanks that tool did the trick, I somehow managed to create a playlist :) |
21:38:01 | PaulPosition | dan_a: I'll be happy to provide any more information or testing if you need it, urgency is sooo un-rockbox-like.. ;) |
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21:38:13 | PaulPosition | mag - happy that you got going, then. :) |
21:38:31 | mag | PaulPosition: yeah, now I just have to figure everything out :) |
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21:40:32 | PaulPosition | mag - the manual may seem heavy but actually, when you skip the plugins and advanced topics like WPS-creation, it's pretty simple. The 'Browsing and Playing' chapter is about the most important one and is a quick read. |
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21:42:15 | tucoz | bluebrother, I'll think i just commit what i have done. It is mainly some changes to the GFDL and also the GPL made to compile in our manual. |
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21:43:14 | tucoz | I do not think i should write the license information as of now. |
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21:44:45 | PaulPosition | Just curious, has any WPS creator ever explicitely made his work gpl, or creative-common or something? Mine, when I finish it, will be but I wonder... |
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21:45:09 | tucoz | PaulPosition, that was one of the criteria to get the wps in cvs |
21:45:19 | tucoz | (iirc) |
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21:45:50 | PaulPosition | tucoz - The default one, or the iCatcher? I'll go and have a look at the galleries anyway. :) |
21:46:00 | mag | PaulPosition: thanks I'll give the manual a go later tonight |
21:46:17 | tucoz | PaulPosition, my guess is all the wps' that are in cvs |
21:46:26 | PaulPosition | mag - Well you're very welcome. |
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21:52:12 | tucoz | PaulPosition, have you read the SubmitWPS wiki page? It is stated there that "WPSes submitted for inclusion in Rockbox must be: <snip> # Licensed under the GPL ..." |
21:52:49 | Atomicsuset | test |
21:52:53 | PaulPosition | tucoz - Cool, thanks for the tip. I don't think I'll be submitting anything for inclusion though :) |
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21:53:26 | tucoz | You should. The default wps is horrible on the larger displays. |
21:53:32 | tucoz | we should get rid of that |
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21:54:32 | * | n1s doesn't want to see that discussion |
21:55:10 | PaulPosition | tucoz - Haha... Maybe ask someone who has actual design skillz :p |
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21:55:33 | n1s | tucoz: I have been thinking about making some sort of wiki page or forum thread or something for discussion about sensible defaults. |
21:56:01 | tucoz | good idea. Like a discussion towards a default theme? |
21:56:58 | n1s | yes and other settings, like the "show path" scrollbar, dircache etc. |
21:57:43 | n1s | I think a theme will be the hardest to agree upon and that either a vote or dictator desition should be made :-) |
21:57:55 | amiconn | I don't think there are sensible defaults that fit all targets |
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21:58:16 | n1s | of course not and that complicates everything |
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21:58:25 | tucoz | should the defaults fit all targets at any cost? |
21:58:39 | PaulPosition | tucoz - Well if they're default... :o |
21:58:47 | amiconn | The only defaults I am not happy with are (1) "fade on stop / pause" being enabled and (2) "disk poweroff" being disabled |
21:59:02 | n1s | can't we have different defaults for different targets? |
21:59:03 | amiconn | All others are ok-ish |
21:59:04 | tucoz | and (3) dircache disabled |
21:59:07 | tucoz | ;) |
21:59:15 | n1s | amiconn: why no disk poweroff |
21:59:33 | amiconn | Dunno, maybe crash protection |
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22:00:13 | PaulPosition | What would be sensible settings for disk poweroff now that you talk of it. Never could figure out that option. :puzzled: |
22:00:27 | n1s | and i don't think we'll ever get anywhere if we try to agree on settings that everybody like, I would rather see defaults that make it as easy as possible for newcommers. |
22:00:41 | amiconn | E.g. cvs rockbox for archos players doesn't have disk poweroff at all, and that's for a reason, even though the hardware is capable of powering off the disk (except the very early models) |
22:01:10 | amiconn | The reason is that _some_ players crash when re-enabling the power from off state |
22:01:21 | tucoz | but for players gaining battery life, shouldn't those be defaulted to use this setting? |
22:01:38 | n1s | that is an example where different defaults may be a good idea |
22:01:52 | amiconn | Mine doesn't, and my own build does have disk poweroff, and I have it enabled of course |
22:01:59 | n1s | I always use it on my H300 ant it works like a charm |
22:02:00 | tucoz | With the range of targets these days, we should be able to fine tune the settings shipped. |
22:02:09 | Kasperle | speaking of the GPL. any news on the ebay business? |
22:02:42 | amiconn | I guess none of the newer models have problems with disk poweroff, and neither the archos recorder range has |
22:02:52 | amiconn | So imho this option should be always enabled |
22:02:58 | tucoz | +1 |
22:03:25 | tucoz | didn't your test reveal quite an improvement in battery life with this enabled? |
22:03:26 | amiconn | On player cvs doesn't have the option, and people building themselves should know what they're doing |
22:03:35 | amiconn | Yes of course |
22:03:39 | n1s | would that patch be accepted? maybe I have a project for tomorrow :-) |
22:03:57 | amiconn | It saves the hdd standby current when the disk isn't needed, i.e. most of the time |
22:04:24 | tucoz | does it save battery on the 2MB ram players as well? |
22:04:30 | amiconn | sure |
22:04:51 | tucoz | cool. Then it's a win win |
22:05:16 | preglow | why not just remove the entire option? |
22:05:20 | tucoz | hehe |
22:05:24 | PaulPosition | Anyone knows if the info->debug->tagcache entry is actually looking at 'database' or if it's linked wrong..? I can't seem to initialize DB, it never commits, so I took a look but "progress: -1% (0 entry)" sounds weird. |
22:05:31 | tucoz | cure the optionitis a little |
22:05:35 | preglow | indeed |
22:05:35 | amiconn | preglow: I also thought about that |
22:05:52 | amiconn | One tiny drawback of disk poweroff is that the spinup takes slightly longer |
22:05:53 | n1s | preglow: that's even better :-) |
22:06:00 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think anyone'd notice |
22:06:11 | tucoz | preglow, believe me. someone will |
22:06:13 | preglow | i checked for a difference myself, and it's not very big |
22:06:18 | amiconn | ..because power has to be enabled first, allowed to stabilise, and then send the start command |
22:06:29 | amiconn | Half a second or so |
22:06:37 | preglow | yeah, and that really is almost nothing |
22:06:48 | preglow | especially in these days of dircache, another option that should default to on :> |
22:06:54 | amiconn | urgh |
22:07:04 | tucoz | i think so too |
22:07:10 | amiconn | If it were robust, perhaps |
22:07:14 | amiconn | But it isn't |
22:07:36 | amiconn | Put the hvsc on your player and enable dircache |
22:07:51 | * | n1s tried that :-( |
22:07:55 | tucoz | ah. right |
22:08:05 | amiconn | It should either be able to cope with such an amount of files, or gracefully disable itself in such a case |
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22:08:34 | amiconn | n1s: I didn't, but I know the reports... |
22:08:43 | kclaf | hi |
22:08:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: it will gracefully disable itself |
22:09:20 | n1s | Slasheri: for me it would scan the disk for about 10 seconds on every boot |
22:09:44 | Slasheri | well, it can't know how many files there are until the entire disk has been scanned.. |
22:10:06 | n1s | yes but it did it on _every_ boot |
22:10:12 | Slasheri | hmm, true |
22:10:30 | Slasheri | it does that because it previously failed to determine the cache size |
22:10:45 | Slasheri | ok, that can be fixed.. |
22:10:52 | Slasheri | it could default to the max cache size in that case |
22:11:05 | Slasheri | it would still scan on every boot, but in background and silently fail |
22:11:29 | amiconn | Does the dircache size decrease after the next boot if you remove files? |
22:11:44 | Slasheri | of course it does |
22:11:55 | Slasheri | but that takes two boots for it to decrease |
22:12:23 | amiconn | Oh, so it doesn't track what's added / removed while running? |
22:12:42 | Slasheri | ah, if you use rockbox usb mode, it does then |
22:12:49 | Slasheri | so one boot only |
22:13:05 | amiconn | I mean when deleting from within rockbox, mainly |
22:13:15 | tucoz | yikes. laptop almost out of battery. bye bye |
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22:13:22 | Slasheri | deleting does not affect cache size until next reboot |
22:13:42 | amiconn | Yes, but not two boots then? |
22:14:22 | Slasheri | hmm.. it depends. If you delete live using rockbox ui, then it takes two boots |
22:14:29 | Slasheri | with usb, one boot should be enough |
22:14:51 | Slasheri | but now sleeping -> |
22:16:03 | n1s | I just timed it, the "scanning disk" splash is displayed for 22 seconds on my h320 with approximately 35000 tracks including HVSC |
22:16:41 | Atomicsuset | does the latest release come with all available pluggins? |
22:16:47 | n1s | yes |
22:17:01 | * | Atomicsuset nods |
22:17:03 | Atomicsuset | k |
22:17:11 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - anything in particular? |
22:17:31 | Atomicsuset | just very excited to the whole new setup |
22:17:48 | Atomicsuset | just wanting to make sure there isnt anything badass i havent checked into :P |
22:18:10 | Atomicsuset | i got that theme working paul! thanks again my ipod is f*cking sweet! |
22:18:31 | Atomicsuset | the only draw back ive noticed is that it takes forever to transfer files now |
22:18:33 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - That's cool then. :) What did it, a reset of the settings? |
22:18:46 | Atomicsuset | no, i didnt have the font installed |
22:18:55 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Oh, right. :p |
22:18:57 | Atomicsuset | font made a big difference |
22:19:10 | Atomicsuset | but with anapod i could transfer at 22mbs |
22:19:17 | * | n1s thinks of his patch rotting away in the tracker |
22:19:17 | PaulPosition | atomicsunst - that 'slow loading' file is weird.. |
22:19:22 | Atomicsuset | i dunno what i transfer at now but its slooooow |
22:19:56 | Atomicsuset | bout 5 hours for 15gig of transfer |
22:20:17 | Atomicsuset | and my stoopid album art locks up the player :P |
22:20:37 | amiconn | Nano? |
22:20:46 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - hmm, I don't own a pod so can't say, but this slow seems very weird. |
22:20:51 | Atomicsuset | i just have rename the album to Albumname.bmp and place it in the folder of the album right? |
22:20:59 | Atomicsuset | amiconn - video |
22:21:28 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - I usually go with 'cover.bmp' as it's the default name and it spares me of typo's when writing the file. |
22:21:36 | Atomicsuset | ohhh |
22:22:04 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - but albumname should do. Of course you need to feed it proper bitmaps, not renamed jpegs ;-) |
22:22:06 | Atomicsuset | so literally "cover.bmp" not like "division bells.bmp" |
22:22:11 | Atomicsuset | lol |
22:22:23 | Atomicsuset | i was trying renamed jpegs :P |
22:22:45 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - yeah, I don't know how rockbox treats whitespace in titles/filenames so I rather go with the very generic 'cover.bmp' |
22:22:47 | Atomicsuset | how do i make a "proper" bitmap? |
22:23:09 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - You did? Howww... You're under windoze? |
22:23:24 | amiconn | Hmm, does anyone know whether the album art patch uses the core BMP loader? |
22:23:27 | Atomicsuset | so each album will have a bitmap named "cover.bmp" |
22:23:34 | Atomicsuset | lol rename |
22:23:47 | * | amiconn guesses it does |
22:23:55 | Atomicsuset | paulposition - i just renamed the extension to .bmp |
22:24:05 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Yeah, works best of course if you have one folder per album ;) |
22:24:10 | * | amiconn thinks about adding some more safeguards against malformed BMPs |
22:24:45 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - But opening the jpeg in any graphic editor (like Paint) and save-as..., choose bmp and you're done. |
22:24:51 | Atomicsuset | ohhh |
22:25:04 | Atomicsuset | should i resize it to 100x100 or does it matter? |
22:25:15 | n1s | amiconn: last I heard the resize bmp patch that is required by the album art relies on the old bmp.c (before your overhaul) |
22:25:16 | Atomicsuset | will it resize it inside the player |
22:25:36 | PaulPosition | atomicsunset - Well resizing in a windows/linux/mac application will give you a cleaner image than the cheap bmp_resize patch does. |
22:25:49 | Atomicsuset | k |
22:25:54 | Atomicsuset | gonna give this a whirl |
22:26:02 | Atomicsuset | 100x100 for video ipod correct? |
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22:26:14 | PaulPosition | amiconn - N1s is right on that.. Compiling my own build I need to use bmp.c ver. 1.35 |
22:26:18 | amiconn | n1s: Oh, you mean that crappy cropping resizer? I remeber having had a quick glance on that one... |
22:26:56 | amiconn | PaulPosition: I'd rather ditch resizing and use the new bmp.c |
22:27:59 | amiconn | The old bmp.c is even less forgiving to malformed BMPs than the new one (and it supports less pixel depths) |
22:28:09 | PaulPosition | amiconn - I sure could understand that. Since I don't need the resizing anyway unless I start switching WPS. |
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22:30:08 | Atomicsuset | ok well it didnt crash, but my album is showing up just black |
22:30:10 | Atomicsuset | no image |
22:30:14 | Atomicsuset | but its a small step |
22:31:33 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - might be the wps is a bit old and has outdated code for showing the art.. dunno, you'll get more support and information on the page where you downloaded the wps (like expected size for art if the build doesn;t include resize-patch, etc..) |
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22:31:59 | * | bluebrother again throws in the idea to ship some default settings for various uses and let the user simply pick one |
22:32:05 | Atomicsuset | well i get album to atleast show something... |
22:32:17 | Atomicsuset | but instead of the default image its a black square |
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22:34:38 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Troubleshooting |
22:35:15 | PaulPosition | Atomicsunset - Read that part about %C and %Cl tags and have a look into your /wps/whatever.wps file from a text editor.. |
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23:09:06 | PaulPosition | Anyone would verify a bug with me? Trying to get 'Database' to initialize. Leave it on for a good 30 minutes. Shutdown takes a whopping 20 seconds or so. On reboot, no 'committing database' no nothing. Of course, trying to navigate using tags triggers 'database not ready' errors. |
23:09:36 | PaulPosition | I've only got about 4gb of mp3, id3v2 tagged music. Using cvs from around same hour, yesterday. |
23:10:07 | markun | does building with logf save the logf messages to a file? |
23:10:30 | PaulPosition | markun - Good question, I never built 'devel'.. (that's whats needed right?) |
23:10:46 | markun | yes |
23:10:59 | lowlight | no, you need to debug>logfdump |
23:11:33 | PaulPosition | Ahh. Okay. I'll have a look like right now. |
23:11:52 | markun | lowlight: rockbox is hanging on my gigabeat and I'm trying to find out where |
23:12:02 | [Gino] | Does anyone know if microphone/FM recording is available on the iAudio X5 w/ Rockbox? |
23:12:45 | Bagder | [Gino]: both afaik |
23:13:18 | [Gino] | Thanks! one more question, does the iAudio X5 w/ Rockbox work as a Portable Device with Media Monkey? |
23:13:45 | lowlight | markun: logf outputs to the remote screen in real time...amiconn suggested splitting the gigabeat's screen into two sections and using one as the "remote" |
23:13:56 | PaulPosition | lowlight - Ain't no filedump option in my debug menu. :p |
23:14:09 | bluebrother | it is a UMS device, so if Media Monkey works with that (don't know it) there should be no problem |
23:14:23 | lowlight | PaulPosition: on a logf build? |
23:14:34 | bluebrother | I suggest simply trying it out −− you can always switch back |
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23:14:50 | PaulPosition | lowlight - Ahh, sorry, didn't understand your assertion the first time around. |
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23:16:19 | * | Bagder downloaded mv player now to check it out |
23:16:31 | PaulPosition | lowlight - I haven't got a remote though.. still (D)evel->(L)ogf ? |
23:16:35 | Bagder | there's not even an attempt of dealing with compressed video |
23:17:08 | amiconn | mv player? |
23:17:16 | Bagder | amiconn: IPL's video player |
23:17:33 | amiconn | ah ok, wouldn't know |
23:17:40 | amiconn | This is #rockbox ;) |
23:17:59 | Bagder | interleaves uncompresed video with uncompressed sound |
23:18:04 | lowlight | PaulPosition: you can still dump the log from the debug menu as long as you don't lockup the player |
23:18:19 | * | amiconn wonders why ipl doesn't use libmpeg2 like we do |
23:18:29 | amiconn | Afaik performance on ipod isn't too bad |
23:18:32 | PaulPosition | ah okay thanks. |
23:19:01 | amiconn | Coldfire is another story - I would still like to incorporate mirak's patch |
23:19:23 | amiconn | But that one needs quite some cleanup... |
23:19:40 | lowlight | PaulPosition: it dumps the log to a text file in .rockbox |
23:19:55 | PaulPosition | Lowlight - Okay, selecting <D>evel and then <L>ogf from the configure tools it's waiting for some input.. Do I just press enter so I can make or what? |
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23:20:17 | amiconn | PaulPosition: Yes, just press enter when you're done with the devel options |
23:20:36 | amiconn | This is so that you can select multiple options |
23:20:37 | PaulPosition | Ahh okay, it's so you could put in more than one option. Geeee, thanks. :) |
23:20:44 | lowlight | PaulPosition: and the log is in reverse order, ie, most recent logs at the top |
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23:48:12 | PaulPosition | Weird... logfile on start up goes through playback_system pre-init, playback_api init and set buffer margin at 5s but then fails to commit tagcache (or 'database') with Incorrect Header. And then I get plenty of error messages related to parsing. |
23:48:25 | PaulPosition | Too bad, it's not like my life depends on database. :p |
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23:55:08 | ani-adom | whice file on rockbox contain the codecpage lang? |
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