#rockbox 2006-12-08

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#rockbox log for 2006-12-08

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00:03:34	dan_a	Hmmm, this Sanyo radio chip in the Sansa is weird. As far as I can tell, to tune it you write some random value to the frequency register, measure the frequency it's tuned to, and based on that write a higher or lower number to the frequency register. Is that normal?
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00:05:44	habana	are there devs awake ? i'd like to submit a tool that could perharps help
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00:06:19	dan_a	habana: What tool?
00:06:37	PaulPosition	habana - Most of them will read the log and won't miss much if they're not present :)
00:07:05	habana	if course, they read "offline" too.
00:07:13	habana	Ok, let me find my link
00:08:29	habana	http://wiki.s1mp3.org/index.php/S1giveio
00:08:49	habana	real time access to the players hardware (ROMs, displays, flash chips, radio controller, ...)
00:09:21	habana	but it may only work for s1mp3 clones (?)
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00:11:09	habana	i made a prayer so Mr H would save my soul (soul or sansa, don't remember ;) )
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00:17:54	PaulPosition	Okay guys, have a great evening/morning/whatever the sun says.
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00:21:31	habana	dan_a: concerning the radio chip, my french player dont have one. how lucky you are
00:22:39	dan_a	habana: My English player doesn't have one either, but I've got the datasheet for it and MrH's work to say how to talk to it
00:23:13	habana	so we could add one ???
00:24:04	dan_a	That might work. I was just trying to write the driver for our friends who aren't in Europe, though!
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00:37:08	pixelma	dan_a: did you open your player and look inside if there really is no radio chip present?
00:37:57	dan_a	pixelma: Not yet. I believe that others have.
00:38:05	*	dan_a goes to find a screwdriver
00:39:24	pixelma	was just reminded of the early Archos Recorder V2 (shipped with no radio functionality) but still had the hardware
00:39:57	Terinjokes	lol
00:40:14	pixelma	with rockbox it's usable
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00:40:44	SimonSelki	hey
00:40:52	SimonSelki	whos not a bot on this channel?
00:41:12	SimonSelki	no one?
00:41:15	Genre9mp3	I'm a bot
00:41:23	preglow	i am
00:41:36	preglow	as a matter of fact, this is an automated response
00:41:41	SimonSelki	cool stuff man
00:41:41	SimonSelki	maybe you can help me
00:41:42	SimonSelki	hah
00:41:49	SimonSelki	What isn't these days?
00:41:54	preglow	not me, surely
00:42:02	SimonSelki	It's all humanity is....
00:42:04	SimonSelki	anyways
00:42:08	preglow	anywho, if you've got a question, just ask
00:42:10	preglow	brb
00:42:15	SimonSelki	Okay
00:42:29	SimonSelki	I'm installing Rockbox on my iPod Nano
00:42:32	Terinjokes	yes
00:42:45	*	Terinjokes uses rockbox on his nano
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00:43:05	SimonSelki	I'm up to the point where I've opend MS-DOS and running the ipodpatcher
00:43:14	Terinjokes	ok
00:43:24	SimonSelki	it won't recognize any of the numbers I put in
00:43:34	SimonSelki	I mean, like
00:43:38	SimonSelki	ipodpatcher 0
00:43:43	SimonSelki	ipodpatcher 1
00:43:46	SimonSelki	and so on
00:43:54	SimonSelki	nothing comes up on any of em
00:44:00	SimonSelki	well, you know what I mean
00:44:08	Terinjokes	your following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation ?
00:44:18	SimonSelki	yes
00:44:31	pixelma	what Nano do you have?
00:44:44	SimonSelki	The one that's compatible
00:44:50	preglow	100% sure about that?
00:44:52	SimonSelki	First Gen I think
00:44:54	SimonSelki	yeah
00:44:56	preglow	plastic front?
00:44:59	preglow	okies
00:44:59	SimonSelki	steel backing and all
00:45:09	preglow	can't help much, since i don't have windows
00:45:19	SimonSelki	hmm
00:45:56	Terinjokes	Simon...you set the ipod to disk mode, right?
00:46:03	SimonSelki	yes
00:46:18	Membrillo	Hmmm anyone, whats the difference between the gigabeat X's and F's?
00:46:54	Terinjokes	ok...and do you get a 'ipodwizard.exe command not found'?
00:47:09	Membrillo	considering replacing my very worn H320 with a gigabeat... gigabeats a good pick?
00:47:12	SimonSelki	no, it opens the ipodpatcher
00:47:27	Terinjokes	ok...and so nonw of the numbers 1 through 26 work>
00:47:42	SimonSelki	but, like the patcher is supposed to say... exactly
00:47:48	SimonSelki	0-26
00:48:19	Terinjokes	yes...yes, so it spits out information about space on your ipod?
00:48:27	Terinjokes	"NOTE For beginners. You know that it is found when a table shows up in comand prompt displaying things such as how much space is used on your iPod."
00:48:55	SimonSelki	no, no info about my ipod
00:49:00	obo	Does your nano show up as a drive letter within windows?
00:49:09	SimonSelki	yeah
00:49:13	SimonSelki	G:\
00:49:20	preglow	dan_a: did you find out anything about the crossfeed, btw?
00:50:12	Terinjokes	are you logged into XP as an administrator?
00:50:24	SimonSelki	I'm using '98
00:50:27	dan_a	preglow: Not really. The value it had as R0 was way outside the memory space, but I could not work out why
00:50:28	SimonSelki	oh.... shit
00:50:41	preglow	that might be a problem, i think
00:50:48	preglow	the windows 98 thing :>
00:50:49	Terinjokes	err...does ipodoatcher work for 98?
00:50:51	preglow	dan_a: weird
00:50:53	SimonSelki	how big a problem you think?
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00:51:02	preglow	SimonSelki: depends on the code, and i really don't know it at all
00:51:13	preglow	SimonSelki: but it's very possible it is a problem
00:51:23	SimonSelki	I'm seriously going to shoot my right testie if 98 causes me more trouble
00:51:23	Terinjokes	hrm... Simon stay put
00:51:30	SimonSelki	thanks
00:51:34	preglow	SimonSelki: you mean it doesn't already cause you problems? :)
00:51:40	SimonSelki	hah
00:51:49	Terinjokes	hey, at least he's not on ME :D
00:51:52	SimonSelki	it causes too many, one more would be too much
00:52:13	preglow	but yeah, at least 98 shouldn't give you any problems about being the admin
00:52:28	SimonSelki	hold on, I'm going to see if I can access a comp with XP
00:53:01	SimonSelki	if I install Rockbox with a different computer, I should still be able to access it with this 98 one, right?
00:53:08	preglow	sure
00:53:15	amiconn	I guess ipodpatcher won't work on 9x
00:53:48	Membrillo	Does anyone know if the Gigabeat X series is UMS?
00:53:48	amiconn	I presume it does its direct disk access using nt-style calls
00:53:57	Terinjokes	probably
00:54:14	SimonSelki	...i will.... radiohead
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00:55:03	Membrillo	anyone know RE: gigabeatX-UMS?
00:55:13	Terinjokes	i LOVE radiohead :D
00:55:32	Terinjokes	no, it doesn't seem like ipodpatcher, or the iPL tool will work under XP
00:55:42	SimonSelki	thats the reason I got this ipod
00:55:44	SimonSelki	damn damn
00:55:58	Terinjokes	98*
00:56:06	SimonSelki	wait...
00:56:11	SimonSelki	so it should work on 98?
00:56:34	Terinjokes	no, doesn't look like it works under 98, works under XP
00:56:51	obo	ipodpatcher won't, but after that you'll be fine to copy music / new builds to it under 98
00:57:01	SimonSelki	great
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00:57:11	SimonSelki	I can get access I guess to a comp with XP
00:57:14	Terinjokes	yeah...after you have the bootloader install, everything else you can do from 98
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00:57:16	SimonSelki	I's so poor
00:57:31	SimonSelki	okay, so I've only heard about Rockbox
00:57:32	Terinjokes	Simon, you can try to install in Linux...i think knoppix would work
00:57:50	webguest41	interesting problem for anybody that can shed some light: i installed the latest daily build on my 4th gen grayscale ipod but decided that it was a little too 'developmental' for my unrefined tastes. so i'd like to get the original firmware back on my ipod. the uninstall part of the manual refers to using ipodpatcher to accomplish this. unfortunately, i'm running linux and it looks like this is a windows prog
00:58:32	SimonSelki	hmm
00:58:39	obo	dd bootpartition.bin back to your ipod
00:58:42	Terinjokes	webguest, you made a backup of bootpartition.bin, right?
00:58:46	webguest41	yep
00:59:10	Terinjokes	then just dd it back to your ipod
00:59:11	SimonSelki	which reminds me, how do I do that too?
00:59:34	SimonSelki	I've never used linux or MS-DOS for much
00:59:44	SimonSelki	Telnet occasionally
00:59:47	webguest41	good ?, simonselki. i'm also in the dark here.
00:59:48	Terinjokes	Simon...part of installing (personally i don't keep backups on my bootpartition.bin...just use itunes to reset it...)
00:59:57	Terinjokes	Simon, BBSer?
01:00
01:00:07	SimonSelki	BBSer?
01:00:13	Terinjokes	nvm
01:00:16	SimonSelki	heh
01:00:18	SimonSelki	sorry man
01:00:59	SimonSelki	So Rockbox is fully functional on a nano?
01:01:10	Terinjokes	yeah...use it on mine
01:01:21	SimonSelki	All the graphics and fonts?
01:01:21	SimonSelki	,am
01:01:25	SimonSelki	...
01:01:25	SimonSelki	man
01:01:56	Terinjokes	its not like your playing videos on your nano :P, but plays music...thats what I use it for...every now and then play a game of doom
01:02:05	SimonSelki	I'm mostly eager to get it working on my nano because the apple software sucks so damn much
01:02:27	Terinjokes	he, i'm a mac user...i don't see why everyone hates iTunes....
01:02:37	SimonSelki	It's not iTunes
01:02:43	SimonSelki	I love iTunes
01:02:54	SimonSelki	It's the running firmware on the actual iPod
01:03:02	Terinjokes	here, here... what don't you like about it?
01:03:45	SimonSelki	I've had the iPod for 2 days and had 2 serious conflicts with it
01:04:00	SimonSelki	at present, it won't even load
01:04:11	SimonSelki	it only works in Diskmode
01:04:15	SimonSelki	Myxamatosis
01:04:32	Terinjokes	interesting...probably want to use iTunes to reset it, tried that?
01:04:44	SimonSelki	heh, 98, remember?
01:04:50	SimonSelki	I guess it's my fault
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01:05:02	SimonSelki	I have no legitimate reason to not like the software
01:05:13	Terinjokes	hey GMouse...nice for you to join us :P
01:05:17	SimonSelki	all this anger derives from my crappy comp
01:05:35	GMouse	Hey! Wasn't expecting to see you in here as well.
01:05:37	Terinjokes	hehe...you might want to upgrade to XP :P
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01:05:57	Terinjokes	i help out users in both places :D
01:06:30	Terinjokes	particularly because installation is SO similar
01:07:05	SimonSelki	okay man, I'm going for that transfer
01:07:11	SimonSelki	I'll brb
01:07:13	SimonSelki	and let you know
01:07:22	SimonSelki	thanks so much for your help
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01:07:33	Terinjokes	no problem
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01:09:26	GMouse	Ok, so second gen nano support is sketchy. How does one distinguish between first and second?
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01:10:05	JdGordon	GMouse: 2nd gen anno is not supported at all
01:10:51	GMouse	So it isn't.
01:10:52	zylche	Yeah, if it farks up, it's 2nd generation :P
01:11:02	Terinjokes	GMouse, second gen is all one color (ie, all red), but the first has plastic on the front, metal on the back
01:11:17	GMouse	Ah.
01:11:22	GMouse	Thanks Terinjokes
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01:14:24	SimonSelki	okay, so how would I make a backup of the .bin file I'm extracting?
01:15:11	Terinjokes	copy it somewhere...like to a USB drive, or CD
01:15:26	SimonSelki	hard drive?
01:16:09	Terinjokes	yeah, someplace safe there :D
01:16:17	SimonSelki	Hey, did you say you played doom on your nano?
01:16:22	SimonSelki	That's insane
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01:16:39	Terinjokes	Doom and Doom 2, sorry no Doom3 :D
01:17:04	SimonSelki	Well jesus man!
01:17:18	SimonSelki	I 've only heard of rockbox
01:17:25	SimonSelki	I had no idea it could do that!
01:17:31	SimonSelki	okay, another question
01:17:52	SimonSelki	Will I be able to edit things like font files and backdrops on this 98 computer
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01:18:05	SimonSelki	is it like iTunes? an active program?
01:18:16	SimonSelki	or is it simply dropping files into the proper folders?
01:18:19	Terinjokes	i've never edited the fonts...
01:18:33	SimonSelki	man, I'm all about cusomization
01:18:34	Terinjokes	you can add themes by simply draging them to the proper folders
01:18:45	Terinjokes	i'm sure its somewhere on the wiki
01:18:59	preglow	ugh, i just took a crawl through codecs/ and found libFLAC again :///
01:19:03	preglow	why the hell is it still there?
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01:19:06	SimonSelki	actually, I was hoping to put the album art for Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief
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01:19:48	Terinjokes	you'll have to apply a patch to rockbox in order to show ablum art, but that's not supported
01:20:58	amiconn	preglow: It's still there to annoy you? ;)
01:21:18	preglow	amiconn: only reason i could think of too
01:21:39	amiconn	Some kind of 'reference', maybe
01:21:47	SimonSelki	I mean, as the backdrop
01:21:49	amiconn	At least it's not built anymore, unlike dumb
01:21:50	preglow	i don't think we need our references commited
01:22:03	preglow	yeah, the dumb code too should just be deleted
01:22:05	SimonSelki	The album art would be the backdrop....
01:22:07	Terinjokes	yes, you can edit a theme to add a different backdrop
01:22:16	SimonSelki	tee hee
01:22:22	SimonSelki	That's all I need in life
01:22:30	SimonSelki	the illusion that I'm in controle
01:22:34	amiconn	Someone wanted to make a codec of it...
01:22:36	preglow	dumb support never materialised, so we should just delete it and wait for a patch
01:22:37	*	amiconn looks at HCl
01:22:38	Terinjokes	but it would be only the picture you make it, ie... it won't change for each song
01:22:53	SimonSelki	yeah
01:22:55	SimonSelki	I know
01:23:01	SimonSelki	I just really like the album art
01:23:07	SimonSelki	have you seen it?
01:23:19	SimonSelki	I can't pin it, but it's so damn convicting
01:23:24	SimonSelki	Hail to the Thief I mean
01:23:31	preglow	think i'll ask again when there's more people awake
01:23:35	SimonSelki	Amnesiac's pretty good too I guess
01:23:38	preglow	i don't see a point in keeping dead code
01:23:54	preglow	and especially not libFLAC, ghah
01:23:55	Terinjokes	interesting ablum art
01:24:31	SimonSelki	Anyone hear Light Grenades?
01:24:37	SimonSelki	New album from Incubus
01:24:44	SimonSelki	I don't know if anyone here is a fan
01:25:12	Terinjokes	meh, a little bit
01:25:56	SimonSelki	yeah, well
01:26:00	SimonSelki	I'm listening to it now
01:26:05	SimonSelki	it's so mediocre
01:26:43	SimonSelki	there's a few tracks definitely worth listening to
01:26:52	SimonSelki	but mostly is just mediocre
01:26:53	Terinjokes	personally i like more Aussie/British rock... i listen to a little hard/metal every once in a while...
01:27:11	Terinjokes	Simon, you might be interested in rockbox's Last.fm feature
01:27:22	SimonSelki	What is it?
01:27:45	SimonSelki	and I don't know that I've heard to much aussie or brittish rock.... ever
01:27:48	SimonSelki	Keen?
01:27:57	SimonSelki	is Coldplay brittish?
01:28:20	SimonSelki	mostly, what Last.fm feature?
01:28:28	Terinjokes	visit last.fm
01:28:47	SimonSelki	...on the page obviously.... got it
01:29:06	Terinjokes	Evermore, The Futureheads, stuff like that
01:29:21	SimonSelki	nope, never heard em
01:29:25	Membrillo	Cream? Ramones? arent they british?
01:29:38	SimonSelki	Cream is way too mellow for my tastes
01:29:42	Terinjokes	i listen to both, don't know if ther're british
01:29:42	SimonSelki	I like chill tracks
01:29:47	Membrillo	a lot of that old pre-punk stuff
01:29:51	SimonSelki	but it's way way to.... creamy
01:29:54	SimonSelki	say
01:30:06	SimonSelki	Radiohead brittish? I Thom York is
01:30:13	Membrillo	radiohead is
01:30:20	Membrillo	i dont listen to any of that stuff either
01:30:24	Membrillo	aussie music for me
01:30:25	Terinjokes	i Love radiohead
01:30:34	Terinjokes	Membrillo, like?
01:30:52	SimonSelki	Radiohead is my favorite band.... ever
01:30:59	SimonSelki	did you listen to The Eraser?
01:31:05	Terinjokes	no
01:31:08	SimonSelki	Oh man
01:31:11	Membrillo	Cat Empire, Blue King Brown etc etc.... blues\jazz\reggae sorta stuff
01:31:22	SimonSelki	Jesus, I don't know what to think about it
01:31:30	SimonSelki	Thom York is so different solo man
01:31:35	Terinjokes	i'm looking up The Eraser now
01:31:58	SimonSelki	I expected it to be a lot more acoustic, but it was the opposite
01:32:13	SimonSelki	Yeah, Thom Yorks solo album
01:32:22	Terinjokes	oh, The Eraser is from Radiohead...sucks not on last.fm yet
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01:32:52	SimonSelki	wait wait wait
01:33:02	SimonSelki	is The Eraser a solo album or not?
01:33:11	SimonSelki	I've heard and read lots of stuff
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01:33:55	SimonSelki	Wow, Last.FM looks impressive
01:34:14	SimonSelki	hehe, where can I find it's relation to Rockbox?
01:35:05	Terinjokes	you have rockbox installed
01:35:16	SimonSelki	hah
01:35:19	SimonSelki	not quite yet
01:35:23	SimonSelki	I'm still working on that
01:35:29	SimonSelki	man!
01:35:32	SimonSelki	that's insane!
01:35:53	SimonSelki	I just typed radiohead into the "Find similar artists" search
01:36:14	SimonSelki	and 6 or 7 other bands that I listen to came up
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01:36:21	SimonSelki	some I don't like....
01:36:27	SimonSelki	still impressive
01:36:57	SimonSelki	make that 20 or so
01:37:31	SimonSelki	okay, going to try now
01:42:04	SimonSelki	success! I got it to identify in MS-DOS
01:42:10	SimonSelki	now for the rest of the process
01:43:32	Terinjokes	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog <−−-Last.fm
01:44:49	Jestre	That looks cool
01:49:55	SimonSelki	hey man, I hit a tiny snag
01:50:38	SimonSelki	at the part where it says to Merge the Rockbox Loader with the apple Firmware
01:50:48	Terinjokes	ok
01:50:56	SimonSelki	I get an error message when I input the code
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01:51:17	SimonSelki	says "Cannot open apple_os.bin"
01:51:19	Terinjokes	ok...copy and paste want you typed and the output
01:51:56	SimonSelki	ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:52:24	SimonSelki	Cannot open firmware image file apple_os.bin
01:52:42	SimonSelki	I tried the alternate line of code
01:53:00	Terinjokes	you did "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" right?
01:53:21	SimonSelki	o not 0
01:53:28	SimonSelki	wait
01:53:32	SimonSelki	that doesn't look right
01:54:00	SimonSelki	here, I tried both these linds
01:54:01	Terinjokes	i copied and pasted... "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" is the line
01:54:03	SimonSelki	lines
01:54:11	SimonSelki	okay, thanks
01:54:18	Terinjokes	and "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin"
01:54:22	SimonSelki	it's different I guess where I'm looking...
01:54:37	Terinjokes	then "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin"
01:55:10	SimonSelki	doh, that's what I meant
01:55:13	SimonSelki	that one
01:55:26	SimonSelki	ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:55:31	SimonSelki	and it's alternate
01:55:42	SimonSelki	ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:55:43	Terinjokes	you ran the other 2
01:55:48	Terinjokes	lines first?
01:55:55	SimonSelki	yes
01:56:00	SimonSelki	I've done it in order
01:56:02	Terinjokes	hrm...
01:56:09	SimonSelki	I mean, if that's what you are asking
01:56:28	Terinjokes	run "dir" do you see a apple_os.bin?
01:56:45	SimonSelki	one sec
01:56:58	Terinjokes	or any .bin's
01:57:24	SimonSelki	yeah
01:57:58	Terinjokes	list them
01:58:00	SimonSelki	apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
01:58:28	SimonSelki	bootloader-nano.bin
01:58:38	SimonSelki	rockpartitian.bin
01:58:58	SimonSelki	scratch that one
01:59:12	SimonSelki	bootpartition.bin*
01:59:27	Terinjokes	ok
01:59:32	SimonSelki	rockboot.bin
01:59:33	SimonSelki	das all
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02:00:35	SimonSelki	that's all the .bins listed
02:00:40	Terinjokes	ok run ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
02:03:20	SimonSelki	okay, one sec
02:05:10	SimonSelki	...
02:05:11	SimonSelki	nothing
02:05:18	Terinjokes	any output?
02:05:19	SimonSelki	it didn't give an error message
02:05:22	SimonSelki	or any message
02:05:26	SimonSelki	none
02:05:33	Terinjokes	ok, and a "dir" doesn't show apple_os.bin?
02:05:57	SimonSelki	yes, it does now
02:06:08	SimonSelki	am I set?
02:06:12	SimonSelki	was that it?
02:06:54	Terinjokes	ok, now
02:07:05	Terinjokes	run "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin"
02:07:36	SimonSelki	okay, one sec
02:10:45	SimonSelki	okay
02:10:49	SimonSelki	again, no output
02:11:19	Terinjokes	ok...
02:11:31	Terinjokes	now run "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin"
02:13:01	SimonSelki	okay one sec
02:14:55	SimonSelki	it said Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video
02:14:59	SimonSelki	and that's it
02:15:13	Terinjokes	ok...cool :D
02:15:24	SimonSelki	I'm good?
02:15:28	SimonSelki	That was it?
02:15:46	Terinjokes	run "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin" replacing "N" which whatever number you've been using there :D
02:15:59	SimonSelki	oh man
02:16:01	SimonSelki	so good
02:16:33	Terinjokes	if you need to use a different computer, copy rockboot.bin to the other computer as well
02:17:17	SimonSelki	alright!
02:17:20	SimonSelki	is that it?
02:17:46	Terinjokes	no
02:17:52	SimonSelki	I can install the firmware I mean
02:17:59	SimonSelki	that's it for Ms-DOS
02:18:02	Terinjokes	yes
02:18:07	SimonSelki	YES
02:18:09	SimonSelki	thank you
02:18:11	Jestre	Terinjokes: What does that mean "use a different computer"?
02:18:15	SimonSelki	that was like holding my breath
02:19:02	Terinjokes	Simon is on 98 and ipodpatcher doesn't always work on 98
02:19:31	Jestre	Oh, okay
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02:42:03	SimonSelki	YES
02:42:07	SimonSelki	YEHEHEHEHEHEHES!
02:42:11	SimonSelki	BY GOD YES!
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02:44:37	SimonSelki	no?
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02:57:06	SimonSelki	son of a bitch
02:57:23	SimonSelki	well this is the craziest damn thing I've ever experienced
02:57:33	SimonSelki	I'll be donating much money to this cause
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09:22:32	JdGordon	morning Slasheri, is it posible to interate through the list of albums if tagcache is iitialed? (and if so, is it possible even if database view isnt active?)
09:23:02	*	petur hands JdGordon more batteries
09:23:22	JdGordon	hey... only 1 typo
09:23:30	petur	sure?
09:23:46	JdGordon	yes...
09:24:02	*	petur looks up some unfamiliar words
09:24:28	JdGordon	s/ iitialed/initialised
09:24:51	petur	s/interate/iterate
09:25:01	JdGordon	haha, ddnt even see that one
09:25:04	JdGordon	grrr
09:25:23	petur	s/ddnt/didn't
09:25:29	JdGordon	that doesnt count
09:25:36	JdGordon	the apostrophe is the devil
09:25:38	petur	lol
09:26:00	*	JdGordon fails to see how petur can complain about my acidental typos, yet use lol
09:26:00	daurn	evenin JdGordon
09:26:07	JdGordon	howdy
09:27:47	JdGordon	Slasheri: guess your not around yet, well if im not still here, ill read the log when I get back tomorow night if you can reply
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09:54:21	Slasheri	yes, it's possible.. but he is gone now
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10:28:37	n1s	old logs? ;-)
10:29:34	n1s	Does anyone object to setting disk power off to always on on the supported targets and removing the option?
10:31:32	*	Genre9mp3 thanks n1s for giving him something Rockbox related to read! :)
10:31:56	LinusN	i think it might be a good idea
10:32:20	n1s	I'll cook up a patch and then :-)
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10:32:52	ton	hello
10:33:09	Genre9mp3	Is there any benefit to have it disabled?
10:33:35	ton	hi is anyone working on porting creative zen vision m?
10:33:35	n1s	slightly faster disk spinup
10:33:37	markun	Genre9mp3: spinup is a bit faster I believe
10:34:00	n1s	ton: not that I've heard
10:34:11	ton	dang
10:34:19	ton	i want to make it but dont no how
10:35:01	markun	ton: someone wanted to start a port, but I don't remember who it was
10:35:41	ton	so is he saying will he be working on this
10:35:52	Genre9mp3	I guess not fast enough to keep it as an option then
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11:17:09	BenXP	hi
11:17:30	BenXP	I'm monitoring the progress on RockBox for Sansa e200R series
11:18:55	sebseb01	I want know if is possible to read a recurcively a directory (i have a H10/5GB player)
11:18:56	sebseb01	?
11:19:54	n1s	what do you mean "read" a directory?
11:20:00	linuxstb_	What do you mean? There's an option to recursively insert files into a playlist.
11:20:35	Genre9mp3	sebseb01: Menu > Playlist Options > Recursively Insert Directories > On (if that's what you want)
11:21:02	sebseb01	thanks Genre9mp3, it's exactly that
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11:23:45	n1s	Is there any way to tell if the disk is actually powered off (H300)?
11:25:14	amiconn	A multimeter...
11:26:11	n1s	i don't have one where I am... anyone wants to take a look at the patch?
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11:31:10	webguest20	I've seen the page about the RTC mod for H140. One feature was that the RTC still works while the player is switched off. How's that made? Is there another battery? Or is the RTC fed with the current from the 'main' battery?
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11:32:37	ashes	it would have to be
11:32:57	ashes	but
11:33:00	n1s	webguest20: yes as he said in the wiki page it is connected to the power from the batery
11:33:54	ashes	it'd be interesting to know how long the battery will last just powering the rtc
11:34:09	webguest20	n1s: then it would shorten the battery life (if if not significantly). Hence I wouldn't wand that feature! But as as technical stuff it's great!
11:35:33	Genre9mp3	eer... this is how RTCs in other targets work, too AFAIK
11:35:43	ashes	its quite convinient for me. my watch recently died
11:36:10	n1s	Genre9mp3: yes, and the H300 has one built in and it's battery life is quite nice.
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11:36:58	ashes	i just got a h320 today. an upgrade from a 64mb rca lyra :-)
11:38:18	ashes	the springs in the buttons are totally worn out. the vibration from walking makes the lyra skip tracks, and pause
11:38:33	n1s	webguest20: in the data sheet the quoted typical current used by the chip in standby mode is 80 _micro_ aperes.
11:40:13	n1s	meaning it would take approx. 10000 hours for it to drain a 800mAh battery (in standby)
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11:43:13	n1s	if anyone wants to take a look at the ata power off patch, here it is http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/ata_poweroff_always_enable.diff. It removes the disk poweroff option and always enables powering off the disk, also the settings block changed so save your settings. Tested and seems to be working on H320. I'll be back in a bit but will read any comments here.
11:43:18	Slasheri	yeah, RTCs do not shorten battery life
11:44:01	ashes	i tried to find gcc mtune values for m68k 5249 processors, and couldn't
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11:47:05	webguest20	Slasheri: then I wand it! :-)
11:47:13	webguest20	*want
11:47:37	amiconn	webguest20: The rtc power requirements are neglectible. It's even less than typical self-discharge
11:48:36	Slasheri	i am wondering whether we should include the kind of mods to the cvs. It could be some define that needs to be enabled for the code to work, or it could be hardware auto-detection
11:48:50	Slasheri	at least binary size shouldn't be a problem on the newer players
11:49:20	amiconn	Slasheri: There are some mods for archos which can be enabled with a #define
11:49:28	Slasheri	probably a define would be a good enough
11:49:39	Slasheri	ok, so then it sounds like a good idea to commit that
11:49:44	amiconn	(8MB mod, RTC alarm mod for recorder v1, backlight mod for Ondios)
11:49:59	Slasheri	that patch also separates i2c and eeprom drivers nicely
11:50:05	amiconn	8MB can be select with configure
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11:50:27	amiconn	RTC alarm is an extra define either to be set in the Makefile or in config-recorder.h
11:50:48	amiconn	Ondio backlight is a #define in config-ondio*.h that needs to be uncommented
11:51:26	amiconn	I guess that since there is an rtc type #define, this method would also be best for the H1x0 rtc mod
11:52:04	amiconn	Oh, and enabling disk poweroff for the Player works the same way (it's not strictly a hardware mod though)
11:54:46	Slasheri	hehe, nice
11:56:04	webguest20	But the standard build should not contain unnecessary things i.e. those needed only for modded devices
11:56:27	amiconn	yes
11:57:03	amiconn	Those who have that mod would need to build rockbox themselves, uncommenting the appropriate #define in the platform config file
11:57:58	*	amiconn just noticed that the (commented out) #define for Player disk poweroff isn't in cvs
11:58:04	*	amiconn should commit that
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12:09:40	ashes	the irivers screen is pretty bright
12:09:45	ashes	i can use it for a flashlight
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12:10:51	ThePeach	hi all
12:11:12	ThePeach	I've got a problem with a ipodmini1G
12:11:39	ThePeach	like: cannot force reboot nor, once shut down, start up again
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12:12:58	ThePeach	it power on just if I plug into the power adapter or the usb cable to the pc
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12:13:37	roolku	webguest20: Hi, I see that you are interested in my mod
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12:14:59	roolku	webguest20: currently the driver is only built when RTC_CONFIG is set to the right chip
12:15:39	fraggles	I know this isn't a rockbox question, but I thought you guys would know. I need to pull all the songs (MP3, AAC) and videos (MP4) off my father's video iPod, keeping all the names intact. Is there any app I can use to do this?
12:15:42	Slasheri	roolku: hi :) probably i will be trying that mod soon too
12:15:46	fraggles	I tried ephpod but it wouldn't sync correctly
12:16:05	roolku	Slasheri: cool :)
12:16:33	roolku	Slasheri: I am planning to add the alarm as well - looking at http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/rtc_alarm_en.html
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12:18:04	roolku	Slasheri: but I need to confirm some things..
12:18:35	ThePeach	hello: I just installed rockbox, but once shut down, it cannot power on, what should I do?
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12:22:06	ThePeach	I can force poweron plugging the ipod to a power cable
12:22:35	ThePeach	and secondly once onto original firmware I cannot "force" reboot like holding MENU+SELECT as suggested in the guide
12:22:42	ThePeach	what's wrong?
12:25:58	linuxstb_	Sounds like a hardware problem, one that you wouldn't have noticed when using the Apple firmware. MENU+SELECT is a hard-wired reset in the ipod - it has nothing to do with Rockbox. Similarly, the power-on key is a hardware feature.
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12:26:35	linuxstb_	The Apple firmware doesn't normally fully power-off the ipod - which is why you may not have noticed before.
12:26:58	ThePeach	that's bad
12:28:02	ThePeach	linuxstb_, any suggestions?
12:28:11	ThePeach	take it to the apple care?
12:29:12	linuxstb_	If you remove Rockbox, and MENU+SELECT still isn't working in the Apple firmware, then yes.
12:29:42	ThePeach	thank you a lot
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12:40:01	ThePeach	linuxstb_, just removed rockbox and the problem seems to be hw :(
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13:03:22	amiconn	roolku: This method (setting CONFIG_RTC) is the preferred way for this mod. For cvs inclusion, the #define should be in config-h120.h and commented out
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13:12:25	roolku	amiconn: it is in config-h120.h (but not commented out) in the patch
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13:29:01	webguest20	roolku: yes, I'm interested but will probably not touch the DAP since I'll likely brick it. I don't have much experience in such things.
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13:35:52	LinusN	i'll probably attempt the rtc hack
13:36:10	Slasheri	and i will make the bluetooth hack soon ;)
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13:36:17	roolku	Linus: great :)
13:36:26	roolku	LinusL
13:36:33	LinusN	roolku: but the INT pin must be connected to the poweron
13:36:41	LinusN	for the alarm
13:36:50	LinusN	so it can turn on
13:37:06	roolku	Linus: yes, but the buttons on the h120 are low active, aren't they?
13:37:15	LinusN	yes
13:37:35	LinusN	the int signal as well, i believe
13:37:35	roolku	Linus: so the alarm mod with the transistor for the archos needs to be inverted?
13:37:54	LinusN	yes, we need to do it a little differently
13:38:00	roolku	teh chip can drive 3 mA only will this do?
13:38:19	LinusN	but it sure can source a lot more, can't it?
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13:39:26	roolku	Logic 0 Out is 3mA according to the datasheet
13:39:31	LinusN	shouldn't be a problem
13:39:43	LinusN	we will still need a transistor
13:39:44	Slasheri	transistor will do it
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13:46:03	roolku	I still need pnp, right? C to GND, E to GPIO1, B to RTC (via 10k) and pull up (10k) for RTC ?
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16:41:16	Genre9mp3	LOL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNbWMkjP0Y
16:43:23	petur	this one isn't much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRn5zv0ZwTM&NR
16:44:26	Genre9mp3	yes... I have seen the legendary iPod Flea :)
16:44:53	Genre9mp3	only Rockbox is missing from this fine piece of equipment haha
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17:52:32	PaulPosition	Anyone familiar with disks? One of the folder on my DAP makes the whole disk freeze when accessed, under rockbox and even under windows/UMS mode... If it's a bad sector I know I can format and have them flagged but as soon as I'll use the original firmware restore tool on it, it will 'quickformat' the drive. Will it unflag the bad sectors too? Is my problem something else?
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18:26:52	pixelma	the colouring script seems to not pick up tiny changes...
18:27:38	obo	The CVS Builds page?
18:28:30	pixelma	no I mean the coloured diffs that you can watch for changes in a file
18:28:49	pixelma	(sorry that was a bit unclear)
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18:29:30	obo	are they just whitespace changes?
18:30:38	pixelma	yes but they are intended there
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18:31:08	tucoz	cvs diff will not show whitespace changes, like tab to space etc
18:31:30	tucoz	s/cvs diff/viewcvs
18:31:39	Gnelik	Hi!
18:32:06	pixelma	tucoz: I just noticed :)
18:32:11	tucoz	:)
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18:42:59	hcs	hm, this is interesting, when I reboot into rockbox from the apple firmware it seems to be stuck at a lower clockrate, I have to power off to get things to behave as expected
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18:59:55	pixelma	:/ I forgot to mention who made those updates
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19:00:29	markun	Who did? Genre9mp3?
19:00:48	pixelma	yes the Sansa versions too
19:02:53	markun	pixelma: the graphics for the audio format in the Gigabeat (and ipod video?) don't look very good. Did they get changed?
19:03:33	pixelma	I they weren't part of the update
19:03:58	pixelma	s/I/
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19:04:55	markun	pixelma: do you have an opinion on the logo by 'alfred'?
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19:06:53	pixelma	markun: not really - and I got to go in a few minutes...
19:07:16	tucoz	pixelma: do you have an opinion on the current logo? ;)
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19:08:15	tucoz	Although it is not as slick as logos usually are, i am actually quite fond of the logo
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19:09:30	XavierGr	logo by alfred?
19:09:33	tucoz	But it would be interesting to see 'alfred's logo, and a new graphical profile for the site along with it
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19:10:33	petur	repeating start/stop recording several times results in recording not starting anymore
19:10:40	clownish	heyhow, i buyed an iriver h10 yesterday, installed rockbox, and just want to say thank you. i was realy suprised i had never seen such a good firmeware replacement befor.
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19:13:14	PaulPosition	Hmm, seems my H10 hd is going south, guess I'm better get back (argh) to original firmware before it gives 'clicks' the bucket, so maybe I could RMA it. Or anyone knows a good surfacescan util that works on usb-drive (ie, not a bootdisc) ?
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19:15:06	clownish	PaulPosition, under windows?
19:15:28	PaulPosition	clownish - Or debian..
19:16:53	clownish	PaulPosition, fsck and so on will work on usb devices under debian afaik
19:17:28	clownish	btw... i god an used iriver h10... how can i know that something with the disk is wrong?
19:17:41	clownish	sorry for my english
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19:18:48	tucoz	clownish, isn
19:18:51	tucoz	isn
19:18:53	tucoz	sorry
19:19:15	PaulPosition	clownish - I'll have a look, thanks. As for 'how to know' I wouldn't know if it didn't simply freeze on me, then freeze again when I tried to move the same file. And again.. - And then windows event viewer reported lots of errors, so... :p
19:19:37	PaulPosition	Having bought refurbished however, I don't really see what hope I have of an RMA.
19:19:37	tucoz	isn't it just to run a scandisk to look for errors?
19:20:12	tucoz	or some other disk analyzing tool
19:20:55	PaulPosition	tucoz- windows scandisc, filesystem fix auto and surfacescan didn't correct it. So am looking at finding another, more extensive program. But those usually start from cdrom-bootable.
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19:21:33	clownish	PaulPosition, i use debian by my self... fsck should habe enough options... for me too much;)
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19:22:33	tucoz	and then you can not check a usb device, right?
19:23:00	Grimpy	i have a stupid question, when u install rockbox on a ipod is it possible to put music on it via the mass storage function?
19:23:17	tucoz	yes, that is the way you do it
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19:24:18	clownish	tucoz, shure you can
19:24:18	PaulPosition	tucoz - right. Not with those on my 'ultimate boot cd' anyway (and that's most of the manufacturer's + like three others)
19:25:45	PaulPosition	tucoz - I'll boot knoppix and have a look with fsck anyway.
19:25:57	tucoz	Grimpy, check out the manual to see what you can do with rockbox. http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
19:26:05	tucoz	PaulPosition, good luck.
19:27:04	Grimpy	tucoz: i have rockbox on my H300 but the H300 supports that natively
19:30:12	clownish	allright im out. good luck PaulPosition
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21:24:59	habana	dan_a:did you try S1giveio ?
21:25:28	dan_a	habana: I didn't, but I'm fairly sure it will only work for S1MP3 players
21:25:40	habana	:[
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21:46:21	netmasta10bt	dan_a: anyone get the 3515 ds yet?
21:47:13	dan_a	netmasta10bt: Bagder requested them, but AFAIK hasn't heard anything back yet. I've been searching high and low on the net and found nothing.
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21:53:40	netmasta10bt	dan_a: yeah i've been looking −− and have requested as well −− do we know where its addressed at?
21:54:06	netmasta10bt	i found a ds for another chip they make that has a lot of the same features
21:54:17	dan_a	i2c address 70
21:54:25	dan_a	which DS did you find?
21:54:58	netmasta10bt	the 3603
21:55:11	dan_a	link?
21:55:51	dan_a	Oh, it's on the page. I'll do some testing :D
21:56:12	netmasta10bt	u found ? ok
21:58:17	dan_a	I guess I can try reading bit 0 of register 53, and see if anything happens when I plug the USB in
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22:01:26	netmasta10bt	sounds lik a good plan
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22:04:37	netmasta10bt	the batt fuel guage reg looks interesting too
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22:05:43	netmasta10bt	oh its disabled by def −−
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23:04:42	PaulPosition	hi there.
23:05:40	petur	hi where
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23:06:09	PaulPosition	I here, I guess.
23:06:22	petur	probably
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23:09:49	PaulPosition	argh. I wonder if I'm going to reinstall rockbox now that my h10's hd gone shakey. Any idea whether manufacturers like iRiver accept RMAs on a drive that gives plenty bad blocks or do I need to wait for (or get it to) crash? It frickin hung on my in UMS mode.
23:13:41	grond	anyone could tell me where in the rockbox source tree the definition of struct mp3entry is? can't find it...
23:14:12	petur	every OS has a decent search build-in...
23:14:24	grond	here this is grep and find
23:14:44	grond	but there are many occurences
23:15:00	petur	searching
23:15:44	petur	\firmware\export\id3.h
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23:16:57	petur	PaulPosition: I'd certainly remove all traces of RockBox now you still can, and try to RMA it. Bad blocks = bad drive...
23:17:46	grond	petur: thanks a lot!
23:18:18	petur	grond: M$ Devstudio did it for you ;)
23:18:34	grond	don't tell anybody... ;)
23:18:34	PaulPosition	petur - What I thought... I'll see if iriver america accepts that refurbished unit (they should, their webpage states 90 days).. "thanks" for comfirming my thoughts.
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23:40:02	petur	n1s: agree with my take on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6397 ?
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