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| 00:19:48 | daky | any german here? |
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| 00:32:17 | roolku | Alarm Mod is working as well now on my h120 :) |
| 00:32:56 | daky | :D |
| 00:33:22 | daky | i hope the dev people add MAX-IVY :D |
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| 00:33:28 | daky | my new player =) |
| 00:35:25 | daky | http://www.maxfield.de/index.php?id=16&tx_maxproductslist_pi1[pro_uid]=126&L=1&no_cache=1 |
| 00:35:26 | daky | :D |
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| 01:00:52 | PaulPosition | Daky - You'd probably need to devlop it yourself |OR| to find a Maxfield owner who can devlop |OR| to give a current developer an Maxfield device so he can develop with it... Or be patient ;) The 'Other Ports' section of the forums at rockbox.org might be a good place to inquire on any of those suggestions. |
| 01:01:55 | daky | okay PaulPosition thanks =) |
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| 01:02:15 | obo | It's a sigmatel based device (see the readme.txt in the latest firmware zip) - don't hold your breath... |
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| 01:03:21 | [Gino] | Does line-in recording work with the iAudio X5 w/ Rockbox firmware? |
| 01:03:27 | daky | http://pastebin.us/9688 |
| 01:03:32 | daky | @ obo =) |
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| 01:06:54 | daky | obo sorry i am a noob can you tell me what you mean ? |
| 01:07:53 | obo | as far as I know sigmatel don't release any publically available tech documents - so it would need to be reverse engineered... |
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| 01:08:31 | daky | okay |
| 01:08:47 | daky | think you i should try a post in the forum? |
| 01:09:17 | obo | you'll be pointed straight to: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort |
| 01:09:31 | daky | yes of course |
| 01:10:33 | obo | from a really quick look at the firmware files in that zip, they seem to be encrypted, so that would need to be worked out as well |
| 01:11:48 | daky | rock have a german community too or? |
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| 01:13:20 | donfede | hello, is there a debian package (unstable) for m68k-elf-gcc ? we can't seem to find it (prc-tool-m68k does not seem to be the same thing) |
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| 01:13:49 | obo | donfede: there isn't - easiest way is to build it yourself using the tools/rockboxdev.sh script |
| 01:16:27 | linuxstb | |Gino|: I'm almost certain it does. jhMikeS has done a lot of work on the recording code in Rockbox, and he has an X5. |
| 01:18:00 | [Gino] | Thanks linuxstb! |
| 01:19:44 | [Gino] | Yeah, I think you are right... I just looked at the manual and it says you ca choose from mic or line-in. Thanks again |
| 01:19:50 | [Gino] | can* |
| 01:19:55 | * | jhMikeS ear is rining |
| 01:20:24 | jhMikeS | [Gino]: Yes, it supports all of them |
| 01:20:34 | [Gino] | :) |
| 01:21:00 | [Gino] | And FM radio recording too right |
| 01:21:00 | [Gino] | ? |
| 01:21:03 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 01:21:08 | donfede | obo: thanks :) we just found that and are downloading now. we hope to hack the splitedit plugin to give basic cut, copy, paste editing capabilities (at least on iriverh340) |
| 01:21:08 | [Gino] | Thanks jhMikeS |
| 01:21:31 | jhMikeS | 88.2 kHz is a bit glitchy though, the audio chip seems to be a bit touchy there |
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| 01:22:06 | jhMikeS | if it doesn't sound right, just leave the screen and come back till it does |
| 01:22:30 | [Gino] | K, thanks |
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| 01:23:26 | linuxstb | donfede: Which formats are you planning to support in splitedit? |
| 01:24:04 | roolku | Slasheri: are you around? Is there a way to get bootloader 7pre to boot from disk if the play button is constantly pressed? Even though I set it as default it always boots the R(AO)M image |
| 01:24:23 | donfede | hopefully all, but probably starting with wave (maybe next ogg and mp3) ... we'll see how much the split edit plugin can start us with |
| 01:24:30 | roolku | Slasheri: I don't want to open the case again :) |
| 01:28:43 | n1s | petur, I haven't tested, but it looks fine to me, and if it works, then I'm happy ;-) |
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| 01:31:05 | PaulPosition | Damn that original firmware sucks on the H10. And I can't install rockbox 'cuse my HD seems like it's on the verge of giving it's last squeal. - Just when I was having fun testing Barry and Dan's latest patches. Oh well. |
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| 01:38:39 | michaelconner | hi all |
| 01:38:49 | michaelconner | am having a weird problem with rockbox on a nano |
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| 01:39:47 | michaelconner | i try to delete a file or directory from the file menu −− i press the select button, and nothing happens. it just exits back to the file browser without deleting the file or directory in question. |
| 01:40:08 | michaelconner | am using daily build from 8 december |
| 01:40:35 | obo | try pressing play/pause instead? |
| 01:41:26 | michaelconner | ah... are key mappings different from the ipod video? |
| 01:41:31 | michaelconner | (it worked) |
| 01:42:13 | obo | no - but not all the lang strings have been corrected for the ipods |
| 01:42:38 | michaelconner | ah, ok |
| 01:43:06 | michaelconner | cool, thanks. glad to know it's not the player's fault. :) |
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| 01:57:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Your comment on CRSEL might result from reading the manual, but it isn't correct. I already fixed that bug once way back... |
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| 02:01:22 | amiconn | Fri Oct 14 04:52:24 2005 UTC to be precise... |
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| 02:05:36 | kripso | midkay |
| 02:05:38 | kripso | fucking dick |
| 02:05:43 | kripso | go away |
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| 02:11:15 | PaulPosition | wtf was that? |
| 02:13:21 | dan_a | I think it was a valuable technical contribution to Rockbox. |
| 02:13:58 | dan_a | </sarcasm> just in case anyone was wondering |
| 02:14:38 | PaulPosition | hehe... Well I'm sorry to say I won't be able to make even half such a contribution now that I have to stay rockbox-free. |
| 02:15:03 | * | dan_a points to the simulator |
| 02:16:49 | PaulPosition | Theeehee.. But the sim doesn't do much for testing bootloaders. But yeah, I guess I could start learning to design WPS while waiting for an answer to my RMA request. If they say no I reinstall RB anyway, my H10 gonna blow up in style. :p |
| 02:17:25 | PaulPosition | (since I don't design bootloaders anyway and only test for others, it's no big deal.. 'less you guys can't find any other tester ;) ) |
| 02:18:08 | dan_a | Does it look like a disk problem? If so, it's probably worth keeping an eye on eBay for other broken h10s if iriver won't RMA it |
| 02:19:42 | PaulPosition | dan_a: It does and yeah, I'll keep an eye on broken players and/or 1" CF drives. Or I'll convert to solid-state :o (Hmm, maybe I can put rockbox + 3 or 4 songs (!!) on that 64mb CF I have lying somewhere :p ) |
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| 02:21:56 | dan_a | Ooh, I like the work that has been done to get iCatcher and UniCatcher on the Sansa - I'm just playing with them in the sim. Thanks, Genre9mp3 and pixelma |
| 02:22:32 | dan_a | What size (physically) is the drive in the h10? |
| 02:22:42 | PaulPosition | 1 inch. |
| 02:22:48 | PaulPosition | I'd rather it was an 1.8 |
| 02:24:23 | dan_a | 1" is an odd size for a drive. I'll keep my eyes open, though. |
| 02:24:59 | amiconn | 1"? |
| 02:25:26 | amiconn | I thought CF-sized harddrives are microdrives, i.e. 0.85" |
| 02:25:28 | PaulPosition | dan_a: Yeah, they were made to fit inside an CF mem card cartridge.. See http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/marketing/Seagate_ST1.pdf for an example. |
| 02:25:57 | PaulPosition | Yeah, I guess the drive itself is .85.. With the enclosure it's made to 1 inch. Or so they describe it everywhere anyway. :p |
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| 02:35:38 | midkay | what about me? :E |
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| 02:37:18 | dan_a | Apparently, somebody called krispo feels you shouldn't be here. He reminded me of Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged. |
| 02:38:02 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:38:07 | PaulPosition | infinitely prolonged = (one big) fu... dick? |
| 02:38:20 | midkay | never heard of this guy.. he must have chosen a random nick. i feel special! |
| 02:43:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: rrgg...then you're saying the CPU is idling at 22Mhz now? |
| 02:43:25 | amiconn | nope |
| 02:43:40 | jhMikeS | Then what's going on? In the comment? |
| 02:44:58 | amiconn | I mean that your comment might result from reading the manual, but the code is now correct |
| 02:45:06 | amiconn | This was my fix back then: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/system.c.diff?r1=1.64&r2=1.65 |
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| 02:48:10 | amiconn | CRSEL is unrelated to the CPU clock, but it influences MCLK |
| 02:48:13 | eka | i have come to ask the most stupid question in the world! |
| 02:48:19 | eka | anyone up to answer it? |
| 02:48:33 | eka | i guarentee complete stupidity |
| 02:48:36 | PaulPosition | shoot, we'll see if you score |
| 02:48:39 | PaulPosition | ;) |
| 02:48:51 | eka | how do i add music and photos to my ipod through rockbox? |
| 02:49:02 | eka | and that's worded terribly |
| 02:49:05 | jhMikeS | Same thing but leaving CLSEL and AUDIO SEL setting as done with coldfire_pllcr_set_audio_bits |
| 02:49:48 | eka | i looked around, was unable to find an answer, perhaps i'm blind! |
| 02:49:56 | PaulPosition | Hmm, it's clearly defined in the manual. Not using an iPod I can't tell for sure what the buttons are, but you'll need to hold a button while booting so that it loads in 'USB Mass Storage' mode, just like any usb pen drive. |
| 02:49:57 | eka | paul - hopefully you have an answer? |
| 02:50:01 | PaulPosition | ...then you copy/paste. |
| 02:50:14 | eka | into where? |
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| 02:50:43 | eka | there is a specific foler for photos |
| 02:50:45 | eka | music, no |
| 02:51:11 | dan_a | eka: Rockbox lets you put things where *you* think they should go :D |
| 02:51:17 | PaulPosition | eka - Into wherever you want. Create a folder 'music' or 'mymp3' or 'thisiswheremypiratestuffgoes', put your songs in there with the hierarchy you want. |
| 02:51:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It appeared to me that MCLK comes from CRSEL divider as I expected. Are you saying PSTCLK and SCLK are influence in bypass mode as well? If not I don't see my error. |
| 02:51:29 | eka | haha you're kidding? |
| 02:51:31 | eka | that's tight |
| 02:51:33 | PaulPosition | The folder for photo was created by the iTunes software. |
| 02:51:43 | eka | blar i hate itunes |
| 02:51:57 | PaulPosition | eka - iTunes cram the songs it put on your pod all into one hidden folder, and with cryptic names. |
| 02:52:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: YOu made no error. I referred to your comment stating that you wondered why this is necessary (at least that's how I read it) |
| 02:52:28 | eka | yeah i noticed that when i was on linux and i had it hooked up |
| 02:52:32 | eka | it's ridiculous :-| |
| 02:52:32 | PaulPosition | eka - When you're done loading up your iPod, have a look at the 'browsing and playing' section of the manual, specifically the 'database' to see how to initialize it and start browsing using id3 tags. |
| 02:53:29 | jhMikeS | I was wondered why? My ears told me why. ;) |
| 02:53:32 | eka | but another question - should i put my "music" folder whatever - into just my ipod drive or the rockbox folder? |
| 02:54:04 | PaulPosition | eka - Anywhere would do, but straight in the root would be easier don't you think? ;) |
| 02:54:13 | eka | indeed |
| 02:55:17 | PaulPosition | eka - And then you can either browse with tags (if you initialized database) or do like I and browse on a folder basis, depending if you have a good folder hierarchy. :) |
| 02:55:21 | jhMikeS | I asked Slasheri about it the day he committed the change and he insisted that it shouldn't be changed |
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| 03:03:51 | eka | wow |
| 03:03:55 | eka | rockbox is sexy ^_^' |
| 03:06:45 | eka | how am i going to go about putting videos on my ipod though |
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| 03:08:45 | eka | HOLY CRAPESSSSSSS |
| 03:08:50 | eka | ROCKBOX IS THE BESTTTTTTTTT |
| 03:08:55 | eka | BUT I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THATTTTTTTTTTT |
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| 03:17:51 | | Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210) |
| 03:18:39 | eka | are there any good games for Rockbox? |
| 03:18:41 | eka | i need some |
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| 03:20:25 | dan_a | There's some if you look in "browse plugins". Doom is fairly well regarded, but you need to do a bit to set it up (this is in the wiki) |
| 03:21:00 | SimonSelki | speaking of plugins, I've got a question about patches |
| 03:21:06 | eka | thanks Dan! |
| 03:21:30 | SimonSelki | erm.... How do I patch? |
| 03:21:36 | dan_a | eka: You're welcome |
| 03:21:51 | SimonSelki | I read the file, and it wasn't too discript |
| 03:22:23 | dan_a | SimonSelki: You need to be able to compile Rockbox. You apply the patch to the source code, and then compile that. |
| 03:22:43 | SimonSelki | oh man.... |
| 03:22:52 | SimonSelki | I have to reload rockbox all together? |
| 03:23:02 | dan_a | Yes, I'm afraid so. |
| 03:23:07 | SimonSelki | reinstall the compiled version? |
| 03:23:16 | SimonSelki | okay okay.... |
| 03:23:26 | SimonSelki | ....damn |
| 03:23:27 | SimonSelki | okay |
| 03:23:39 | SimonSelki | I'm running an iPod Nano |
| 03:24:10 | SimonSelki | and there's a patch to fix the battery guage |
| 03:24:31 | SimonSelki | how do I know if the patch is in the newest Daily? |
| 03:24:45 | SimonSelki | or not... I mean, how will I know if it is or not |
| 03:24:50 | [Gino] | Does anyone know if there are size (dimension) limitations in the albumart patch? Like 75x75 or 100x100? |
| 03:25:34 | dan_a | SimonSelki: If it's in Flyspray, the task should have been closed if it's in CVS. Where can I find the patch? |
| 03:25:43 | netmasta10bt | <grond> petur: thanks a lot! |
| 03:25:54 | netmasta10bt | ops ;) |
| 03:26:02 | SimonSelki | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4998 |
| 03:26:12 | SimonSelki | right there |
| 03:26:27 | SimonSelki | alright, recompile rockbox |
| 03:27:12 | dan_a | The comment on there says that it doesn't apply cleanly - that means that it is a bit of work to get it to compile. |
| 03:28:26 | SimonSelki | okay, I guess I should have looked at the comments |
| 03:28:28 | SimonSelki | I'm really new |
| 03:28:38 | SimonSelki | I just got Rockbox installed and it's blowing my mind |
| 03:28:49 | SimonSelki | so, I find the .rockbox file on my iPod while it's connected to USB, and recompile it there? |
| 03:29:02 | SimonSelki | or do I have to start from scratch all over again? |
| 03:29:39 | PaulPosition | SimonSelki - There are good chances that there's already a build somewhere that someone did and that does include the patch/patches you want... |
| 03:30:07 | SimonSelki | That's one thing I noticed about this site though.... I'm really sure there is |
| 03:30:07 | dan_a | SimonSelki: It's best to recompile Rockbox on your PC and then copy it over the old .rockbox on your Nano |
| 03:30:19 | PaulPosition | SimonSelki - Nope. You download the full source for rockbox, you set up a development environment through cygwin or vmware (or linux if you have it installed) and then you apply patch to source and compile the whole thing. Lotsa fun. |
| 03:31:05 | SimonSelki | man |
| 03:31:12 | SimonSelki | I'm really not programmer material |
| 03:31:24 | SimonSelki | not so, I program flash I guess |
| 03:31:25 | dan_a | SimonSelki: Give me 20 minutes and I'll do it for you - though learning how to do it yourself is better ;) |
| 03:31:41 | SimonSelki | do that instead |
| 03:31:42 | PaulPosition | SimonSelki - OR, you download a precompiled build that suits most of your wants. Have a look at the 'unsupported builds' section of the forum, you might find a few interresting builds. |
| 03:31:43 | SimonSelki | learn me |
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| 03:33:10 | dan_a | Do you use Windows, Linux, MacOS or something else? |
| 03:33:17 | SimonSelki | Windows 98 |
| 03:33:55 | SimonSelki | yeah, you would not imagine the complications I have with my running system |
| 03:34:11 | SimonSelki | I mean, you could I guess imagine it |
| 03:35:44 | dan_a | OK, that might give some problems, but we'll try to deal with them. You need to follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide#Setup_Your_Environment to be able to compile your own Rockbox. |
| 03:35:49 | eka | would anyone mind being extremely awesome and sending me a load of plugins and games? |
| 03:36:13 | eka | (for ipod video 5th gen) |
| 03:36:50 | netmasta10bt | dan_a: any luck with r53? ;) |
| 03:37:28 | dan_a | netmasta10bt: I went to the pub instead... it is a Friday night after all ;) |
| 03:37:57 | netmasta10bt | Hey I hear ja! ;) Gettin packed now for a week off myself |
| 03:38:05 | Rondom | dan_a: very gogod idea |
| 03:38:17 | Rondom | I did nearlicy the same |
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| 03:38:49 | * | jhMikeS would like to fuse audio_record and audio_new_file into one function for a couple reason |
| 03:40:55 | eka | ATTENTION EVERYONE. |
| 03:41:06 | eka | i am experiencing a very terrible problem |
| 03:41:13 | eka | my ipod is stuck in doom |
| 03:41:14 | netmasta10bt | oh noes! |
| 03:41:18 | eka | -.- |
| 03:41:22 | eka | i can't shut it down, even |
| 03:41:28 | eka | and when i plug it in to usb |
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| 03:41:31 | eka | .. nothing! |
| 03:42:00 | dan_a | eka: I think you use the hold switch to get a menu on the iPod |
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| 03:42:18 | eka | i love you |
| 03:42:48 | * | linuxstb_ points eka towards the Rockbox manual |
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| 03:47:18 | Nackon | anyone compared iRiver sound quality? |
| 03:47:53 | Nackon | to... anything :) |
| 03:48:52 | dan_a | Nackon: Yes. See the first entry here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
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| 03:49:04 | Nackon | ah, thank u |
| 03:49:23 | SimonSelki | Man, I'm so sorry |
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| 03:50:29 | Nackon | for what? |
| 03:50:37 | SimonSelki | My comp crashed |
| 03:50:42 | SimonSelki | I was getting help from someone |
| 03:50:50 | Nackon | wasn't me for sure |
| 03:51:01 | Nackon | I don't know shit |
| 03:51:02 | Nackon | :) |
| 03:52:09 | Nackon | dan: that link didn't really have any comparisons |
| 03:53:00 | dan_a | Nackon: It compared iRiver sound quality under Rockbox to a bag of something... |
| 03:53:04 | Nackon | I tried one of the recent firmwares on iPod.. it sounded the same, slightly better because u could boost the bass more I think |
| 03:53:08 | eka | daaaaaaaaaaaamnit |
| 03:53:11 | Nackon | hehe |
| 03:53:12 | linuxstb_ | Nackon: http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+rmaa |
| 03:53:22 | eka | mandelbrot fractal zooms are f'ing my ipod up D: |
| 03:53:28 | SimonSelki | now the phone |
| 03:53:30 | SimonSelki | okay |
| 03:53:32 | eka | i think it's frozen |
| 03:53:41 | SimonSelki | I believe it was Dan_a and PaulSomething |
| 03:53:45 | SimonSelki | Sorry |
| 03:53:48 | SimonSelki | My comp crashed |
| 03:53:57 | * | linuxstb_ uses his surviving hand to point eka towards the Rockbox manual |
| 03:53:58 | SimonSelki | My biggest question of all regarded tags |
| 03:54:10 | eka | NO - i got both of your hands |
| 03:54:13 | eka | the text lies |
| 03:54:27 | Nackon | I think iPods and (I mean the 30 and 60gb that I tried) have lesser ability to reproduce base when compared with iRiver (IHP that I've tried) |
| 03:54:40 | * | ze psychically controls a robotic arm to point to the rockbox manual and locks it into pointing-position |
| 03:54:43 | SimonSelki | Okay, so no matter how I try and load the songs onto the iPod, they don't have the right tags |
| 03:54:57 | SimonSelki | I tried using programs, and drag-and-dropping the mp3s |
| 03:55:23 | ze | SimonSelki: maybe your mp3s just don't have the right tags? |
| 03:55:28 | dan_a | They will have whatever tags you put on the MP3s. What are you seeing on the iPod, and what do you think you should be seeing? |
| 03:55:30 | SimonSelki | when I drag and drop, the song names are wrong, but the albums.... |
| 03:55:50 | SimonSelki | will the iPod Nano rockbox read tags correctly if I get a tag editor? |
| 03:56:00 | SimonSelki | Album, Artist, Name and all? |
| 03:56:08 | ze | i would imagine |
| 03:56:08 | ze | :p |
| 03:56:10 | eka | hooray for rockbox manual x.x |
| 03:56:11 | SimonSelki | I tried setting the tag in the programs before I uploaded them |
| 03:56:18 | SimonSelki | I read it buddy |
| 03:56:35 | Nackon | linuxstb: wow, there're ppl analyzing it with scientific software (RMAA)! :) |
| 03:56:44 | dan_a | SimonSelki: What did you set the tag to? What does it say in Rockbox? |
| 03:56:44 | linuxstb_ | Nackon: Yep :) |
| 03:56:46 | SimonSelki | hmm |
| 03:57:17 | linuxstb_ | SimonSelki: Maybe you have both id3v1 and id3v2 tags in your files - you can change the priority in Rockbox. |
| 03:57:28 | SimonSelki | When I uploaded them, the album titles and artists were right, but the naes in the actual browser were way off |
| 03:57:42 | SimonSelki | in the wps they were normal though |
| 03:57:52 | SimonSelki | I tried that too |
| 03:57:54 | SimonSelki | wait |
| 03:57:56 | SimonSelki | lemme try again |
| 03:58:05 | SimonSelki | where was that now? |
| 03:58:09 | linuxstb_ | Are you using the file browser or the database browser? |
| 03:58:10 | dan_a | SimonSelki: I'm guessing that in the browser you're seeing the file name, not the tag. |
| 03:58:19 | SimonSelki | both, I tried all |
| 03:58:24 | SimonSelki | exactly |
| 03:58:26 | Nackon | "Iriver decreases the bass setting as you increase volume" |
| 03:58:34 | Nackon | I thought that was all "in my head"! |
| 03:58:35 | Nackon | hah |
| 03:58:46 | linuxstb_ | Nackon: Yes, it does that to prevent clipping IIRC. |
| 03:58:55 | SimonSelki | When I load with a program they encrypt the actual file names or something, so they come up all wierd |
| 03:59:05 | Nackon | I had to maintain this specific tonal quality, usually slightly lower volume than what I'd like! |
| 03:59:15 | Nackon | but then it sounded awesome |
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| 03:59:48 | Nackon | I thought this was due to my ears, because, I thought, my ears can't take more base when volume is higher |
| 03:59:53 | Nackon | heh, that's f'd up |
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| 04:00:20 | SimonSelki | Is there a way that when I'm viewing the file, it shows their tags instead of the filename? |
| 04:00:33 | Nackon | too bad I've got no iRiver atm, sold it some time ago.. |
| 04:00:43 | dan_a | SimonSelki: Yes, that's the Database browser. |
| 04:00:46 | Nackon | got a new one on the way though |
| 04:01:09 | SimonSelki | So do I just update the database when I drag and drop? |
| 04:01:56 | dan_a | You need to initialise the database once and reboot Rockbox, and then (IIRC) it updates automatically. |
| 04:02:16 | SimonSelki | okay |
| 04:02:21 | SimonSelki | let me do that now and see |
| 04:02:23 | Nackon | has anyone compared sound of iHP300 series with H100 series? |
| 04:02:38 | XavierGr | exaclty the same I guess |
| 04:02:43 | XavierGr | they have the same chip |
| 04:03:06 | XavierGr | and there is no iHP300 series |
| 04:03:09 | XavierGr | only H300 |
| 04:03:15 | Nackon | ah really? I was so worried cuz I got the iHP300 now, but the one I had b4 (and really liked) was H140 |
| 04:03:20 | XavierGr | it was iHP100 and then changed it to H100 |
| 04:03:26 | XavierGr | H300 wasn never iHP |
| 04:04:22 | SimonSelki | okay, I just did what you said |
| 04:04:32 | SimonSelki | I guess my tags are just messed up |
| 04:04:46 | SimonSelki | It's showing alot of wierd crap where the albums were |
| 04:04:53 | dan_a | SimonSelki: If you give us an example of (1) What the tag is on your computer, and (2) What the tag is on Rockbox, then we might be able to work out if you've found a bug or if you are doing something wrong. |
| 04:05:20 | Nackon | well, H320 Vs. iHP-140 then :) |
| 04:05:28 | Nackon | those are the specific model names |
| 04:05:45 | Nackon | H320 is the one I'm getting |
| 04:05:56 | SimonSelki | I think I might be getting my definition of tags confused, but I really appreciate your alacrity to help |
| 04:06:30 | SimonSelki | what is the difference between the two types of tags? |
| 04:06:38 | Nackon | XavierGr: so these two have same chip? |
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| 04:07:01 | SimonSelki | id3v1 and id3v2 |
| 04:07:14 | Nackon | because after I ordered it, I've discovered that there's no optical output on H320 |
| 04:07:17 | SimonSelki | and where is the menue item that allows me to choos priority? |
| 04:07:39 | Nackon | so I thought it must have a different audio chip |
| 04:07:46 | SimonSelki | found it, nm |
| 04:08:41 | SimonSelki | I'm going to look for a proggie on snapfiles that will mass edit tags |
| 04:09:04 | Nackon | I don't need optical out, never used it on my old ihp-140, but I do wonder if they had a separate chip to process optical data... |
| 04:09:34 | Nackon | in other words if H320 is the same, but without that extra chip |
| 04:21:10 | Genre9mp3 | Nackon: H100 and H300 have exactly the same ADC/DAC chip |
| 04:22:42 | Nackon | ah, so the sound they produce must be the same right? (sorry I'm not sure what ADC/DAC chips do) |
| 04:23:10 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 04:23:39 | Nackon | cool, thanks... I was gonna buy the iHP to do side-by-side testing :) |
| 04:23:58 | Nackon | and those things are a pain to find now it turns out |
| 04:24:07 | Genre9mp3 | DAC: Digital to Analog (playback) ADC: Analog to Digital (recording) |
| 04:24:33 | Nackon | oh I see |
| 04:25:29 | Nackon | gonna put a 80gig HD into my H320 :) |
| 04:25:57 | Genre9mp3 | there will be also an 100GB one out in January ;) |
| 04:26:29 | Nackon | 100GB.. WOW! can u say losLESS :) |
| 04:26:52 | Genre9mp3 | heh |
| 04:27:10 | Genre9mp3 | can u say tons of mp3? :P |
| 04:27:13 | Nackon | although I must say, even on 80gig I could have most of the music (the ones that matter in quality anyway) uncompressed |
| 04:28:26 | Nackon | wish they had those in 5mm though, so I wouldn't have to chop it up |
| 04:28:58 | Nackon | I bought the H320 instead of H340 because I wanted the thinnest possible |
| 04:30:16 | Nackon | although it's probably fat enough where it doesn't matter a few extra mm's |
| 04:31:16 | Genre9mp3 | well, I'm not sure if the 80GB one will fit in the H320 |
| 04:32:14 | Nackon | it won't, not as it is |
| 04:32:28 | Nackon | I've read somewhere u have to remove the "padding" |
| 04:32:42 | Nackon | not sure if it's a smart thing to do though |
| 04:33:16 | Nackon | but then I don't exactly intend to throw it around |
| 04:33:20 | Genre9mp3 | yes... I wouldn't feel very comfortable to remove this, too |
| 04:33:54 | Nackon | do they have 60gb in single platter? |
| 04:33:59 | Genre9mp3 | no |
| 04:34:13 | Genre9mp3 | up to 40GB atm in single platter |
| 04:34:17 | Nackon | yeah, 60 is the minimum for me |
| 04:34:37 | Nackon | so I'd just get 80 gig instead, if I'm gonna rip it apart anyway |
| 04:34:42 | Genre9mp3 | but maybe there will be a 50GB single platter soon (when 100GB is out) |
| 04:34:56 | Nackon | hmm |
| 04:35:19 | Genre9mp3 | but only 100GB is announced |
| 04:35:40 | Nackon | when it's out, it's sure to drop the price on the smaller ones... at least every one in this chan will probably sell theirs on eBay :) |
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| 04:36:53 | Genre9mp3 | anyway.... bed time for me |
| 04:36:59 | Genre9mp3 | goodnight all |
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| 04:37:30 | Nackon | cya |
| 04:37:37 | Nackon | oh woops :) |
| 04:38:04 | Nackon | damn its freezin today |
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| 04:50:33 | Nackon | anyone tried HeadBanger EarSubs? |
| 04:50:46 | Nackon | "you'll ALWAYS get the best sound possible with the Universal Ear Sub solution!" |
| 04:50:54 | Nackon | for $20 |
| 04:52:06 | Nackon | maybe they should refrase it as ..best sound possible *with these earbuds* |
| 04:57:55 | Nackon | pile of crap I bet |
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| 08:42:59 | illogic-al | hey guys. |
| 08:43:17 | illogic-al | quick question: does rockbox work with the new generation of ipods? |
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| 08:43:33 | scorche | not officially |
| 08:43:44 | illogic-al | unofficially? |
| 08:43:46 | scorche | and un-officially, only the 30 gig versions |
| 08:44:02 | illogic-al | sweet |
| 08:44:11 | illogic-al | that's what I was going to get :-) |
| 08:44:44 | scorche | i would suggest that you read the thread about it in the new ports section of our forums |
| 08:45:38 | illogic-al | you have forums ? o_0 |
| 08:45:56 | scorche | forums.rockbox.org |
| 08:46:18 | illogic-al | oh cool! |
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| 09:02:09 | Rooy | hi, i have some m4a files that play and pause in rockbox |
| 09:02:36 | Rooy | using rockbox 20061208 on ipod nano |
| 09:03:50 | Rooy | foobar2k says the file is AAC SBR ~64KBps |
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| 09:04:13 | Rooy | but my wps (cleardark) show the file as 128kbps shorten |
| 09:05:35 | Rooy | anyone hears me? |
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| 09:06:16 | BobJonkman | Rooy: I hear you, but don't know the answer. |
| 09:06:40 | Rooy | thanks; noone here is an operator? |
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| 09:46:00 | t0dk0n | the Database/tagchache is all messed up on my ipod |
| 09:46:19 | t0dk0n | when I goto an artist > album/all tracks |
| 09:46:25 | t0dk0n | there's two or three repeated tracks |
| 09:46:28 | t0dk0n | is that just a bug? |
| 09:46:50 | t0dk0n | or should I delete something from the ipod root dir? |
| 09:46:57 | t0dk0n | or .rockbox? |
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| 10:11:26 | markun | t0dk0n: you could try to delete the tagcache files in .rockbox and rebuild the DB |
| 10:13:08 | Slasheri | t0dk0n: you might also have real copies of those tracks on your hd |
| 10:13:48 | Slasheri | t0dk0n: you should create a playlist file containing those duplicate tracks and check with computer if the tracks point to the same file |
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| 10:37:24 | t0dk0n | Hmmm, I think Markuns idea would work |
| 10:37:53 | t0dk0n | slasheri: but I don't see how the hdd copies (which I barely have anyway) would have anything to do with it |
| 10:37:53 | markun | and if it doesn't try Slasheri's suggestion |
| 10:38:01 | t0dk0n | hehe alright |
| 10:38:10 | markun | t0dk0n: so you do have HDD copies? |
| 10:38:24 | t0dk0n | nope, not really, just some |
| 10:38:35 | t0dk0n | wait, of the songs? or tagcache? |
| 10:38:41 | markun | of songs |
| 10:38:45 | t0dk0n | yeah, just some |
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| 10:38:54 | t0dk0n | in totally different remote locations |
| 10:38:56 | markun | well, they will show up 2 times then |
| 10:38:56 | Slasheri | t0dk0n: you might have more you could think |
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| 10:39:06 | Slasheri | you should try that playlist thing also |
| 10:39:15 | t0dk0n | hehe alright |
| 10:39:16 | Slasheri | those songs could be deleted songs and so on |
| 10:39:16 | t0dk0n | I will |
| 10:39:29 | t0dk0n | thank you, both of you ^_^ |
| 10:41:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: It's not necessary to check with a computer. The playlist viewer can be switched to full path view iirc |
| 10:43:14 | markun | or use the textviewer |
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| 10:45:58 | Slasheri | ah, true |
| 10:47:53 | t0dk0n | ahhh hmm, I have database_0.tcd to database_5.tcd and tagcache_1.tcd to tagcache_5.tcd including _idx.tcd for both |
| 10:48:06 | t0dk0n | Maybe I should delete the tagchache only? |
| 10:48:39 | Slasheri | you can delete those tagcache* files, as tagcache got renamed to database |
| 10:48:47 | t0dk0n | hehe yeah |
| 10:49:00 | t0dk0n | but I'm thinking, perhaps thats the reason it was shown double? |
| 10:49:08 | Slasheri | no, it's not |
| 10:49:12 | t0dk0n | ah, alright |
| 10:49:18 | t0dk0n | so just delete all the tcd? |
| 10:49:19 | Slasheri | tagcache* are not used at all |
| 10:49:28 | t0dk0n | oooo |
| 10:49:37 | Slasheri | well, you can try that and then re-initialize. Or just try the playlist thing first |
| 10:49:39 | markun | unless he didn't upgrade |
| 10:50:09 | t0dk0n | naw, I've upgraded to the latest CVS around 3pm PST yesterday I guess |
| 10:52:56 | t0dk0n | alright ima goto sleep |
| 10:53:16 | t0dk0n | thanks for all the help slasheri and markun |
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| 10:59:20 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Have you looked at starting the Apple OS on your 5.5g, or done any work to ipod_fw.c? The ipod_fw.c in CVS still doesn't support the 5.5g... |
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| 11:01:09 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: i have started on adding an option for the 5.5g, but that does not allow loading the apple os yet.. not sure how it should be done |
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| 11:02:34 | linuxstb_ | I'm thinking it should be possible to auto-detect the firmware type - so we can just keep a single 5g option. |
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| 11:05:10 | amiconn | Hmm, there seems to be a small bug in the FAT driver regarding file dates when the RTC is not set |
| 11:05:37 | amiconn | I have some files which are listed as having no date & time at all when shown in windows explorer |
| 11:06:24 | amiconn | ..and on the H300 a couple of files show as being from 2092, which I think has to do with the date offset we need to apply in order to make the of happy |
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| 11:12:50 | petur | amiconn: I fear I just broke rombox on the recorder? |
| 11:15:42 | amiconn | It already was broken, but due to a linker bug this doesn't show up when it's only a bit over the limit |
| 11:16:07 | amiconn | But you pushed code size, otherwise it wouldn't be red now |
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| 11:16:23 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Can you send me a patch for ipod_fw.c? (preferably against current CVS - I just synced ipod_fw.c with the IPL CVS). |
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| 11:16:56 | petur | amiconn: I even changed the patch from using a define to a function to avoid wasted bytes :/ |
| 11:17:38 | petur | does gcc try to optimize by inlining functions? |
| 11:17:48 | amiconn | +160 byte on recorder |
| 11:18:14 | amiconn | gcc does optimize by inlining, but for archos we do use -Os |
| 11:19:24 | petur | got no time now, I'll look into reducing code size a bit later today |
| 11:19:41 | amiconn | ...so gcc will only inline functions which are (1) only used once, (2) so tiny that the call overhead would be larger than the inlined code or (3) have the always_inline attribute |
| 11:19:51 | amiconn | set |
| 11:20:17 | petur | hmmm my function _is_ small |
| 11:20:22 | Slasheri | linuxstb: just a moment, i will try to finish my patch :) or then you can search flyspray for the closed 5.5G patch and apply only the ipod_fw.c part of it |
| 11:20:58 | Slasheri | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 that one |
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| 11:23:58 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Ah, so that includes the ipod_fw.c patch. Maybe I shouldn't have closed it.... |
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| 11:27:42 | JdGordon | evening all |
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| 11:30:06 | JdGordon | rombox is too big on another 2 targets? :'( |
| 11:30:25 | amiconn | It was before... |
| 11:30:40 | JdGordon | before? |
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| 11:30:44 | amiconn | ye |
| 11:30:45 | JdGordon | 4 builds are too big now |
| 11:30:45 | amiconn | s |
| 11:30:52 | Bagder | I'm still in favour of doing rombox ifdefs to remove stuff for them |
| 11:31:13 | amiconn | I'm not |
| 11:31:19 | scorche | well, there is one existing already |
| 11:32:09 | amiconn | I really like having rombox, but imho it's better to not have it than to cripple it |
| 11:32:29 | scorche | i havent tested recently, but i think it is still under the barrier and will be for a while |
| 11:32:52 | scorche | amiconn: of course it is, but until then, we have the ifdef |
| 11:33:02 | scorche | also, it depends on your definition of cripple |
| 11:33:17 | amiconn | Cripple == not having all standard rockbox features |
| 11:33:39 | amiconn | But there are other options to decrease size |
| 11:34:02 | amiconn | Lang cleanup utilising langv2 is one |
| 11:34:08 | amiconn | It's a lot of work |
| 11:34:10 | amiconn | though |
| 11:34:15 | JdGordon | and the settings rework will help a bit |
| 11:34:21 | Bagder | and it'll only be a matter of time when we hit the roof again |
| 11:34:27 | JdGordon | but this convo happens every few weeks anyway |
| 11:34:42 | Bagder | yes, we need a fix that can last |
| 11:34:55 | Bagder | and I don't see how any optimize trick is that fix |
| 11:35:22 | scorche | i think the only permanent fix is to upgrade the ROM chip |
| 11:36:02 | JdGordon | or dump rombox completly |
| 11:36:19 | * | JdGordon is not suggestin ha of course |
| 11:36:19 | dwihno | More efficient (=slower decomp.) compression of the image? |
| 11:36:28 | scorche | not an option...branch it if you were to go that far ;) |
| 11:36:30 | JdGordon | doesnt that defeat he purpose of rombox tho? |
| 11:36:54 | dwihno | true |
| 11:37:08 | amiconn | dwihno: Rombox isn't compressed |
| 11:37:14 | JdGordon | anyone know the boot speed difference? |
| 11:37:26 | dwihno | amiconn: ah, sorry.. |
| 11:37:46 | dwihno | amiconn: thought of the ucl thing... didn't know it didn't apply to rombox as well |
| 11:37:47 | scorche | JdGordon: for rombox, it isnt mostly about the boot speed |
| 11:38:03 | JdGordon | oh? I thought it was |
| 11:38:18 | amiconn | dwihno: Rombox uses the same extension, but it's uncompressed, otherwise it wouldn't work |
| 11:38:31 | amiconn | How would you tell the cpu to execute compressed code? ;) |
| 11:38:49 | dwihno | Using the secret instruction set, of course :) |
| 11:39:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: Boot speed is a tiny bit higher (about half a second) because no decompression is necessary |
| 11:39:18 | scorche | JdGordon: it is partly that, but it is also about having more RAM available |
| 11:39:29 | amiconn | But the main advantage of rombox is to have more free ram |
| 11:39:35 | JdGordon | ah, ok, forgot abou the lack of RAM |
| 11:40:35 | dwihno | the size of rombox hasn't changed too much through the years, right? |
| 11:40:58 | pixelma | Bagder: even taking out some functions won't be a lasting fix - you will "hit the roof again" unless you'd leave it this way forever... and that would be :/ |
| 11:41:13 | amiconn | Bagder: As you are a perl expert obviously: Could you make buildzip.pl exclude the eq presets for non-swcodec? |
| 11:41:42 | scorche | dwihno: quite the opposite actually...that is why we are having this discussion...because Rombox is too big at present |
| 11:42:12 | amiconn | (and even better, make it exclude the empty backdrop folder for monochrome targets as well) |
| 11:42:33 | dwihno | scorche: hm, I thought the size of rombox has been consequently stable... Well, in that case, I see two alternatives. Disable some space consuming features or drop it. |
| 11:42:49 | amiconn | Hmm, seems it is excluded now? |
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| 11:42:53 | * | amiconn needs to check |
| 11:43:38 | JdGordon | What about a online system which allows the user to choose what to ommit in the code, and which target to compile and it will build rombox from cvs using the choices? then dumop the rombox checking from the cvs table? |
| 11:43:56 | JdGordon | so, those that want rombox can customize it how they want, and its a more "lasting" option |
| 11:44:06 | scorche | dwihno: well, a while back, i put in an ifdef for tagcache...that was a pretty big chunk of something that i and others do not use on those targets that (afaik) still holds and will hold for a while |
| 11:44:32 | dwihno | ah, tagcache. never used it, probably never will :) |
| 11:44:41 | * | JdGordon just started using it |
| 11:44:43 | scorche | dwihno: same |
| 11:45:17 | scorche | JdGordon: how yould you set aside the oiption of what to include?...a whole lot of different ifdefs? |
| 11:45:33 | * | amiconn does use tagcache occasionally |
| 11:45:37 | pixelma | tagcache? What are you guys talking about? ;) |
| 11:45:39 | JdGordon | well, the biggets parts are dircache and tagcahce, and both can already be ifdeffed out |
| 11:45:40 | dwihno | scorche: So rombox does include tagcache? |
| 11:45:45 | amiconn | Mostly for checking for dupes and wrong tags |
| 11:46:05 | amiconn | JdGordon: Dircache isn't built for archos anyway |
| 11:46:11 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 11:46:12 | amiconn | (wouldn't make sense at all) |
| 11:46:33 | scorche | dwihno: well, it is too big for the target...but if you comment out the define, it is able to be built |
| 11:46:55 | dwihno | scorche: how much space does that temporary fix buy? |
| 11:46:57 | JdGordon | move the wps code to a tsr-able plugin |
| 11:47:04 | JdGordon | that will help a fair bit |
| 11:47:15 | scorche | JdGordon: that is why the dircache code is ifdefed for >8MB of RAM |
| 11:47:16 | JdGordon | and allow for different wps systems |
| 11:47:38 | scorche | dwihno: i forgot the exact amount...i will have to check when i get the time in a few days |
| 11:48:21 | dwihno | scorche: It's not that important to me, but if it buys 1k, 5k or 20k would be nice to know. |
| 11:48:55 | scorche | it was a large amount |
| 11:49:25 | dwihno | ah, okay. |
| 11:50:27 | scorche | i really should go to sleep though...i have a 10 hour drive ahead of me tomorrow... |
| 11:50:28 | JdGordon | is anyone dead set against rock-ifiing the wps code? |
| 11:50:35 | dwihno | rombox is about having the maximum amount of memory available... dircache is a feature I'd be willing to drop to run rombox |
| 11:50:47 | JdGordon | scorche: ha, drive safely... 10hr drive is a bithc :D |
| 11:50:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: Playback is core functionality and shouldn't be moved to a plugin imho |
| 11:51:06 | scorche | dwihno: as we said before, dircache isnt built for those devices anyway |
| 11:51:26 | dwihno | scorche: sorry, I ment tagcache |
| 11:52:10 | scorche | JdGordon: i do it every couple of months so i am used to it...i have all of the HHG2G radio shows to last me through the ride though ;) |
| 11:53:17 | scorche | dwihno: i feel the same way...which is why i added that ifdef ;) |
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| 11:53:38 | dwihno | :) |
| 11:53:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: (I think we've done this before :D ), the wps code is horrible right? well what if we put a really simple display in the core, and use it if the wps-rock cant be loaded (something else is in the plugin ram) or not wanted. It would allow for much more cde in rombox, and diferent wps systems (xml? simpler? test code, etc) |
| 11:54:10 | dwihno | aaah |
| 11:54:13 | dwihno | me likey! |
| 11:54:48 | JdGordon | ... and bcause of the recent tsr plugin change, it would only have 1 hard disk read unless another rock is loaded |
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| 11:55:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: no... I would never want that |
| 11:55:10 | JdGordon | playlist viewer would need t be changed tho |
| 11:55:51 | pixelma | everything related to playback has highest priority |
| 11:56:20 | * | JdGordon is just suggesting stuff to make rombox workable again |
| 11:56:34 | JdGordon | and moving it to a rock wouldnt make it any less a priority (imo) |
| 11:56:40 | * | dwihno votes for disabling tagcache on rombox targets |
| 11:57:21 | dwihno | the only bad thing would be having to reload the tsr plugin when exiting plugins |
| 11:58:18 | dwihno | and loading the plugin at bootup wound wield no notable performance hit due to the disk already spinning |
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| 11:59:21 | pixelma | and if the wps code is a mess - maybe there's a way for a coder to make it significantly better - I remember a simple patch of lowlight (iirc) that helped dropping a noticable amount of bytes (ask amiconn for the number) |
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| 12:00:02 | * | JdGordon tihnks the tree is a good candidate for reworking |
| 12:00:21 | dwihno | has the settings code been revamped? |
| 12:00:30 | JdGordon | ... but its horible and I get nightmares when I try to figure it out :p |
| 12:00:36 | dwihno | I think it used to be a candidate for cleanup as well |
| 12:00:43 | JdGordon | dwihno: it has, but the patch isnt quite ready yet |
| 12:02:14 | * | amiconn really likes having rombox, but with all the planned additions it might break beyond repair :/ |
| 12:02:15 | JdGordon | Slasheri: are you arounud? |
| 12:02:37 | dwihno | pixelma: almost no matter what I prefer keeping code as plugins... and having a very basic WPS and one (or more) loadable different loadable wps engines sounds like a good idea to me |
| 12:03:00 | amiconn | At least on all MASF targets, as they are the ones which will see the new features |
| 12:03:12 | dwihno | MASF? |
| 12:03:17 | JdGordon | which new features? |
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| 12:03:29 | amiconn | PCM playback and recording |
| 12:03:34 | dwihno | Ain't rockbox complete already? :) |
| 12:03:36 | amiconn | (WAV, AIFF) |
| 12:03:42 | JdGordon | ah cool |
| 12:03:50 | JdGordon | dwihno: RTM next week |
| 12:04:06 | dwihno | k |
| 12:04:11 | amiconn | Recording only for MAS3587F, not for MAS3539, obviously |
| 12:04:59 | dwihno | Awesome feature! |
| 12:05:35 | JdGordon | What if just the wps parsign code was moved to a plugin? |
| 12:05:39 | amiconn | The only MASD target can't have those features added, and ironically is the one where rombox has most room to grow :/ |
| 12:05:41 | JdGordon | would that help at all? |
| 12:05:53 | amiconn | (that is the Player) |
| 12:06:48 | * | n1s nags devs to take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 |
| 12:10:39 | dwihno | JdGordon: I think turning the wps into a tsr plugins sounds like a good idea anyhow, so I'm on your side :) |
| 12:11:01 | JdGordon | yippe :) wanna do the work to make it happen ? :D |
| 12:12:14 | dwihno | Hm. It sure has been a while since I last made myself useful on the project. I can't promise any results, but I will take a look on tuesday. |
| 12:12:45 | JdGordon | its goign to be painful because every function call is going to need a rb-> before it |
| 12:12:50 | JdGordon | + other stuff |
| 12:12:57 | dwihno | yeah |
| 12:13:12 | dwihno | and the wps has gotten all bitmappy since I last checked that code (it's been a while) |
| 12:14:32 | amiconn | The wps plugin idea is bad |
| 12:15:28 | amiconn | It would rule out running tsr plugins while playing music, questioning the purpose of tsr plugins |
| 12:15:59 | dwihno | ah, didn't think of that |
| 12:16:02 | linuxstb | So bye-bye to battery benchmarks... |
| 12:16:57 | amiconn | ...and alpine_cdc |
| 12:17:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: also.. you have better things to do, don't you? :P |
| 12:17:16 | * | bluebrother dislikes the idea of having wps stuff outside of the core |
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| 12:17:56 | bluebrother | but how about simplifying the wps core and allow it to get extended by special wps plugins? |
| 12:18:08 | amiconn | The wps code is a good candidate for cleanup. Iirc there was someone who wanted to rewrite the parser... |
| 12:18:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: sure do.... but its sat night and about 35C in here, so.. meh :p |
| 12:19:10 | * | dwihno suggests a binary wps format and a plugin to parse the .wps files |
| 12:19:33 | * | dwihno watches the tomatoes ;) |
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| 12:20:09 | JdGordon | there are a few wps code aptches on FS |
| 12:20:57 | * | bluebrother remembers simplifying the utf8 thingy ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6203 |
| 12:21:53 | * | JdGordon thinks the playlist code is also fairly heavy |
| 12:22:26 | aliask | Hows that menu stuff coming along Jd? |
| 12:22:54 | JdGordon | mostly done... the settings need doule checking aparently |
| 12:23:22 | aliask | Wow great. So you got that CPU issue all sorted out? |
| 12:23:49 | amiconn | The playlist code is *very* complex. I wouldn't dare to touch it in fear of breaking it |
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| 12:24:05 | amiconn | But I think the bookmark code is another candidate for cleanup |
| 12:24:14 | JdGordon | aliask: yeah, that was an idiotic bug, the callbcks fro the menu were wrong |
| 12:24:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: I want to dump the bookmark code and just use the .playlist_control file for bookmarks |
| 12:24:40 | aliask | Cool, I'd offer to help but at the moment I'm without a rockbox target, and it's killing me |
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| 12:24:52 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:25:01 | JdGordon | hows the gigabeat going? |
| 12:25:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: It won't work that simple |
| 12:25:19 | JdGordon | with a bit of adjusting of course.. but why not? |
| 12:25:23 | amiconn | .playlist_control doesn't include the resume information |
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| 12:25:31 | JdGordon | yeah, it needs t be added |
| 12:25:36 | JdGordon | which should be easy |
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| 12:25:43 | aliask | Gigabeat is being troublesome, but I did a bit of work on it today at a friend's house. Still need to get direct access to the HDD |
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| 12:26:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: I had a look at the "lcd inverse" setting in the code and im baffled as to why its not working |
| 12:26:38 | pixelma | ah... where's the resume information stored then? |
| 12:26:47 | JdGordon | in the config block |
| 12:27:01 | JdGordon | there are 2 settings with resume info |
| 12:27:03 | pixelma | that's why it isn |
| 12:27:15 | pixelma | 't working in the menu rework? |
| 12:27:29 | JdGordon | mayube |
| 12:27:31 | linuxstb | dan_a: Are you around? |
| 12:27:44 | dan_a | linuxstb: yes |
| 12:27:54 | JdGordon | but they could be appended easily for the bookmark file |
| 12:28:04 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826 was the WPS reworking patch |
| 12:28:09 | safetydan | not that I got all that far with it |
| 12:28:31 | linuxstb | dan_a: Could I trouble you for a copy of your 3g's bootpartition.bin (the original unmodified version) ? I'm working on ipod_fw.c and don't want to break it for the 3gs. |
| 12:29:45 | dan_a | linuxstb: No problem - it's heading your way now |
| 12:30:51 | dan_a | Erm... it's 40M, so I'll email you a link to it! |
| 12:31:12 | JdGordon | pixelma: oh, you mentioned it not saving the settings/resume info properly, I tihnk that was a problem with the cvs code which I fixed late last week, so it should work fine now, (hopeflly) |
| 12:31:18 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. You should be able to zip (or bzip2/7zip) it and reduce the size a lot. |
| 12:32:19 | pixelma | JdGordon: I tested it patched vs. unpatched of the same source - unpatched was working ok - only the patched version not |
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| 12:32:34 | JdGordon | ok, maybe not then... but hopefully it is :D |
| 12:32:49 | JdGordon | im updating now, so i will do some work before i head out tonight |
| 12:33:20 | markun | aliask: if only there was a firmware update.. |
| 12:33:29 | pixelma | JdGordon: ok... I'll be testing after your update |
| 12:33:40 | aliask | markun: Exactly... |
| 12:33:53 | JdGordon | who is the naughty bugger who editted settins.c in the last while!! ? |
| 12:34:08 | aliask | I'm beginning to work on understanding the bin file format |
| 12:34:50 | JdGordon | doh! i was the last one to commit to settings.c :p |
| 12:34:54 | linuxstb | aliask: Are you working on the Gigabeat S? |
| 12:35:23 | aliask | linuxstb: Yeah, but I'm not making much progress personally. |
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| 12:35:40 | aliask | MTP is getting in the way a bit - and theres a possibility that the firmware is digitally signed. |
| 12:37:45 | JdGordon | pixelma: the setting name in the menu is "LCD Mode" ? |
| 12:37:50 | JdGordon | (the one being naughty) |
| 12:38:38 | pixelma | yes |
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| 12:41:18 | linuxstb | aliask: Do you just have one version of the firmware to look at? |
| 12:41:42 | aliask | linuxstb: Yep. I also have a copy of the zune firmware which should be very similar |
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| 12:47:30 | muesli | r u guys preparing for zune port? |
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| 12:55:57 | JdGordon | pixelma: new patch online (in a sec), im off for the night |
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| 13:00:24 | markun | aliask, linuxstb: I have the firmware for you if you want.. |
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| 13:05:08 | pixelma | JdGordon: hope you don't have any settings nightmares - I'll test over the weekend :) |
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| 13:22:06 | roolku | Slasheri: are you here? |
| 13:22:20 | Slasheri | roolku: hi :) |
| 13:22:23 | Slasheri | now i am |
| 13:22:27 | roolku | Hi :) |
| 13:22:49 | roolku | I had a little problem with the 7 pre2 bootloader last night |
| 13:23:01 | roolku | it doesn't seem to like to boot from disk by default |
| 13:23:12 | Slasheri | yep, i saw that. did you try booting up with the hold button activated? |
| 13:23:24 | Slasheri | you can try booting with usb cable connected also |
| 13:23:53 | roolku | yes, but the trouble was the RTC chip was holding the play button down. :) |
| 13:24:12 | roolku | I didn't know about the usb boot - how does that work? |
| 13:24:14 | Slasheri | oh, hmm :) |
| 13:24:29 | Slasheri | well, you could reset while hold is switched on. Or reset with usb cable plugged in |
| 13:24:38 | Slasheri | after disconnecting usb cable, rockbox loads from disk |
| 13:25:01 | roolku | ah, that USB trick is useful to know |
| 13:25:06 | Slasheri | :) |
| 13:25:13 | Slasheri | lets hope that helps |
| 13:25:35 | roolku | I double-tapped and got into the ROM image. then I put hold on the main unit and roloed with the remote |
| 13:25:52 | roolku | double-tapped reset |
| 13:25:59 | Slasheri | ah, you should reset or shutdown. Not rolo |
| 13:26:15 | Slasheri | rolo does not invoke the bootloader at all |
| 13:26:34 | roolku | that was the only way I could boot the disk image - but once was enough to reset the RTC |
| 13:26:52 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
| 13:27:23 | roolku | with the bootloader I either got a menu at was stuck there or with a little luck and resetting it would boot into either RAM or ROM (not sure which) |
| 13:27:36 | roolku | *and was stuck* |
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| 13:28:22 | Slasheri | ah, so the menu was stuck because rtc was constantly pressing the play button? |
| 13:28:23 | roolku | Anyway - amiconn broke your rombox patch now :( |
| 13:28:43 | Slasheri | hmm, i will fix it soon and start committing some portions of it |
| 13:28:56 | roolku | yes, that was the problem with the menu - but i don't know why I got the menu when i told it to boot from disk by default |
| 13:29:26 | Slasheri | ah, you get always the menu if previous shutdown was not clean (rockbox crashed) |
| 13:30:11 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe usb mode button driver should ignore the on key.. |
| 13:30:20 | Slasheri | usb=bootloader |
| 13:31:05 | roolku | :) |
| 13:31:47 | roolku | Anyway it is all working now - thanks for rombox, I like it a lot. |
| 13:32:03 | Slasheri | hehe, nice :) |
| 13:32:13 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Just to let you know that I'm making progress with ipod_fw.c (auto-detecting 5.5g images). I'm about to go out for a few hours, but hopefully I'll have something for you to test this evening if you're around. |
| 13:33:37 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ok, that sounds great - much better than my approach just to add a command line switch |
| 13:34:13 | linuxstb | It's not obvious to a user if they have 2048-byte sectors or not, so hopefully we can fix it so they don't need to know. |
| 13:34:48 | linuxstb | Is Rockbox running well on your 5.5g now? |
| 13:35:04 | linuxstb | i.e. can we call 5.5g support as good as 5g support? (on the 30GB) |
| 13:35:56 | Slasheri | well, comparing to h140 i wouldn't say well at all.. but for ipods, it might be well |
| 13:36:21 | linuxstb | What kinds of problems? Do any seem filesystem related? |
| 13:36:25 | Slasheri | it has some freezing and white noise with crossfade enabled at least |
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| 13:36:36 | Slasheri | not anything related to the filesyste afaik |
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| 13:37:13 | linuxstb | I don't use crossfade, so I don't know. |
| 13:37:38 | petur | jhMikeS: saw my last comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6409 ? |
| 13:39:01 | Slasheri | linuxstb: but without rockbox, ipod seems to be completely useless for me at least. When i tried, i couldn't get it working with linux at all |
| 13:41:46 | Kasperle | listening to music works quite well with the 30gb 5.5g (booted through ipod loader 2) ... haven't used other features of rockbox yet |
| 13:43:10 | Slasheri | true.. at least enabling the second core should help with ui performance a lot |
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| 13:44:29 | Slasheri | and it would be also great to get the specs of the lcd.. then it could be possible to switch it off for saving battery |
| 13:45:06 | linuxstb | I don't think we can even access the LCD controller. IIUC, the lcd is physically connected to the Broadcom chip, and all communication goes via that. |
| 13:45:21 | Slasheri | oh |
| 13:45:56 | Slasheri | is there any documentation even for that broadcom video chip then? |
| 13:46:57 | linuxstb | Nope. |
| 13:47:02 | Slasheri | or in worst case apple has a proprietary implementation of that as well |
| 13:47:04 | Slasheri | :/ |
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| 13:47:36 | amiconn | Broadcom is another of those companies who keep theit docs secret :( |
| 13:47:46 | amiconn | *their |
| 13:49:04 | linuxstb | Kasperle: Can you start the Apple firmware on your 5.5g? |
| 13:49:10 | linuxstb | (with ipodloader2) |
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| 13:49:21 | muesli | r u guys preparing for zune port? |
| 13:49:48 | Kasperle | linuxstb: no |
| 13:50:01 | aliask | muesli: Not really. If the gigabeat S port goes anywhere, the zune will be likely to follow soon after |
| 13:50:37 | muesli | wud be great to kick m$ ass |
| 13:51:01 | Kasperle | linuxstb: i don't think it'd be that hard to fix though. just seems that tempel doesn't have a lot of time to work on it these days. and i'm rather busy myself, otherwise i'd have spent some time to work on it |
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| 13:51:43 | linuxstb | I may get kicked off this channel for saying so, but I think a Linux port to the Zune would be more interesting than Rockbox, given the Zune's monster of a CPU and wi-fi capability. |
| 13:52:16 | Kasperle | or netbsd :D |
| 13:52:36 | Kasperle | what kind of cpu does it have? does it come with an mmu? |
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| 13:52:51 | linuxstb | Kasperle: I think it's a 500MHz ARM, with mmu and fpu. |
| 13:52:53 | aliask | Freescale i.MX31L |
| 13:53:16 | aliask | Yep, what linuxstb said. |
| 13:53:44 | Slasheri | huh, what overkill :) |
| 13:53:55 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, no fun at all... |
| 13:54:20 | aliask | Well, it's the L version, which doesn't have the graphics engine built in :p |
| 13:54:38 | Kasperle | still nice specs |
| 13:55:22 | aliask | Yeah, getting video with sound will be pretty effortless. But this is all speculation, because it also has security features to the teeth, which if the manufacturers decided to enable would make hacking it VERY difficult |
| 13:56:32 | Slasheri | hmm, what kind of security features? |
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| 13:57:26 | aliask | The main one is a system which verifys the bootloader somehow to prevent 3rd party code. |
| 13:58:11 | dan_a | petur: Did you try using "__attribute__((noinline))" on show_list_title()? |
| 13:58:39 | Slasheri | that sounds weird and bad.. |
| 13:59:59 | petur | dan_a: amiconn told me the archos should normally get build without inlining but gcc may do so differently if calling the function causes more overhead |
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| 14:00:16 | Kasperle | reminds me of the xbox ... now someone'll have to come up with a malformed media file that can cause code execution ;) |
| 14:00:36 | dan_a | Ah. |
| 14:00:37 | aliask | Yeah, if that's the case I think the only entry might be a buffer overflow. |
| 14:01:57 | linuxstb | Is the firmware itself unencrypted? i.e. can we disassemble it? |
| 14:02:48 | aliask | Yes, I think so. It's a windows CE image (if you like I can provide), but I don't know how to disassemble it. |
| 14:13:01 | petur | markun: gigabeats have no FM tuner, right? |
| 14:14:50 | markun | only the S |
| 14:14:59 | petur | bah |
| 14:16:07 | markun | we would like to make a custom dock connector. Maybe it could also have FM radio. |
| 14:18:24 | petur | I'm still looking for a device for my father: large display, 40GB+ storage, cradle, FM radio, rockboxable |
| 14:24:31 | muesli | h340 |
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| 14:25:27 | markun | yes, probably the only option right now |
| 14:26:06 | petur | display too small and it would be nice to have line-out/ac/usb on the craddle |
| 14:29:25 | markun | the only thing lacking from the Gigabeat is FM radio then |
| 14:30:16 | petur | yes.. maybe he can live without it... will ask him this afternoon and then go looking for one |
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| 14:47:23 | Gnelik | Hi! |
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| 14:47:30 | Gnelik | dan_a; no progress? |
| 14:53:53 | Gnelik | is there any of rockbox plugins that are not in lit in the site? |
| 14:56:45 | Gnelik | all a dead :( |
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| 15:11:23 | amiconn | petur: gcc -Os causes gcc to only inline functions if that doesn't increase code size, or if you force it to |
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| 15:15:02 | amiconn | petur: I'm almost sure that the little keyword 'static' would have had the same effect as reverting to a #define |
| 15:15:18 | petur | shall I try? |
| 15:15:44 | amiconn | Thing is, if a function isn't declared static, gcc needs to keep a non-inlined copy even if it inlines the function within that source file |
| 15:16:10 | petur | ah yes, quite possible |
| 15:16:14 | amiconn | ...because non-static functions might be used from outside the current source file |
| 15:16:41 | petur | using static had crossed my mind after the initial commit |
| 15:17:07 | amiconn | I guess that's even a possibility for some size savings: going through all the source files and making all functions static which aren't called from the outside |
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| 15:25:36 | petur | anybody know of a windows tool that joins a whole bunch of wav files without altering the audio itself (resampling) ? |
| 15:27:59 | funky | audacity? |
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| 15:30:28 | obo | sox? |
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| 15:44:36 | JdGordon | Slasheri: still around? |
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| 15:49:03 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hi |
| 15:49:08 | JdGordon | hey |
| 15:49:09 | dan_a | Gnelik: No progress. You will see in the logs, on the forums and in the changelog if there is any progress. |
| 15:49:15 | JdGordon | did you see my q yesterday? |
| 15:49:51 | Slasheri | hmm, probably didn't notice that |
| 15:50:02 | Slasheri | at least it's not in my hilights |
| 15:50:34 | JdGordon | is is possible/easy to iterate through the list of albums if tc is enabled? and if it is, can it be done even if its not in the id3 browser? |
| 15:50:47 | Slasheri | ah, that question :) |
| 15:50:51 | Slasheri | yes, it's possible |
| 15:51:08 | Slasheri | you can directly use the tagcache api that is provided by tagcache.h |
| 15:52:54 | JdGordon | I have to do a search for it? |
| 15:53:02 | JdGordon | i mean, a search in tagcache |
| 15:53:51 | Slasheri | if you want a list of albums, yes |
| 15:54:07 | Slasheri | you can check tagtree.c for examples how to use the api |
| 15:54:23 | JdGordon | ok thanks |
| 15:54:35 | Slasheri | basically you need to call: tagcache_search, tagcache_get_next and tagcache_finish functions |
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| 15:59:45 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ok ta, i'll probably bug you tommorow when i get stuck |
| 15:59:54 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
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| 17:47:56 | PaulPosition | Hi there.. |
| 17:49:17 | petur | Hi where |
| 17:50:01 | PaulPosition | lol |
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| 18:06:57 | obo | could someone commit http://pastebin.ca/273145 ? |
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| 18:16:46 | Everybody|away | hai |
| 18:17:19 | Everybody|away | once I've finished backing up my music etc I'll be able to install Rockbox! woo! |
| 18:17:25 | Everybody|away | happy happy happy |
| 18:17:47 | Genre9mp3 | where did everybody go? |
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| 18:18:55 | bluebrother | preparing for christmas? |
| 18:19:48 | Everybody|away | I didn't go anywhere :p |
| 18:19:50 | Everybody|away | heh |
| 18:20:00 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:20:07 | Everybody | dunno why I'm |away I didn't set away |
| 18:20:13 | Everybody | wut? |
| 18:20:26 | Everybody | :o NickServ tells me that this nick is already owned... |
| 18:20:48 | Everybody | bastads |
| 18:21:11 | Everybody | I'm currently "Everybody" on 5 servers |
| 18:21:43 | dan_a | If everybody installs Rockbox... that means we've acheived world domination! Yay us! |
| 18:21:49 | Everybody | yay you :p |
| 18:22:15 | Everybody | though the screens in the manual don't look nearly as good as the default firmware on my H10 |
| 18:22:20 | PaulPosition | woo |
| 18:22:28 | Everybody | just black text on blue background or something |
| 18:22:50 | Everybody | is there any way to make it look sexay? :p |
| 18:23:04 | PaulPosition | everybody - That's the default because there are many players with only b/w lcds... |
| 18:23:13 | Everybody | oh |
| 18:23:21 | PaulPosition | everybody - But if you look at WPS gallery you'll see plenty of SUPER themes. |
| 18:23:24 | Everybody | but is there a way to make it look nicer? |
| 18:23:25 | Everybody | oooooh |
| 18:23:36 | PaulPosition | Or you can make your own. Last part of the manual describe the process. |
| 18:23:40 | Everybody | what about the browser, are there themes for that? |
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| 18:23:58 | Genre9mp3 | Open bugs in tracker: April: 80 May: 78 June: 96 July: 106 August: 130 September: 151 October: 148 November: 146 December: 151 |
| 18:23:58 | Everybody | do the themes change the whole theme or just the playing screen |
| 18:24:15 | PaulPosition | Most WPS also theme the browser itself.. backdrop, text color, selectline type (either inverted or a bullet on the left) etc.. |
| 18:27:00 | PaulPosition | Everybody - Be advised that some of those WPS/themes use different builds with patches applied to them, like the ones with album art. Those builds can be found sometimes in the 'other builds' section of the rockbox forum or often on player-specific forums (like misticriver.net for iRiver fanatics, etc..) |
| 18:27:35 | PaulPosition | (I of course not speaking to everybody, I'm just telling everybody.. Uh... Argh. Gosh i hate that nick ;) ) |
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| 18:28:57 | Everybody | yaaaaay it worked |
| 18:29:05 | Everybody | ok |
| 18:29:15 | Everybody | actually I sorta like this black/white theme :D |
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| 18:29:48 | PaulPosition | Everybody - at least try the iCatcher theme that's been installed with the build, you might like it. ;) |
| 18:29:54 | Everybody | ok |
| 18:30:01 | PaulPosition | everybody - it's been redone just yesterday. :p |
| 18:30:08 | Everybody | ok :p |
| 18:30:30 | Soap | uh, the problem with having your life on a USB key is when you lose your USB key :( |
| 18:30:41 | Ribs | like your mobile phone... |
| 18:30:43 | Genre9mp3 | PaulPosition: redone for the grayscale screens + the new versions for Sansa |
| 18:31:10 | Everybody | it's rather confusing to start off with, the scrollpad is now 2 seperate buttons :p |
| 18:31:50 | PaulPosition | genremp3 - Doh.. I thought he/she(?) would also have finetuned the small errors like lines overlapping icons.. Oh well, nothing one can't change all by himself. :) |
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| 18:32:05 | PaulPosition | Everybody - Yeah, H10 right? |
| 18:32:13 | Everybody | yah |
| 18:32:23 | Everybody | is there a main menu anwhere :s haha |
| 18:32:34 | Genre9mp3 | PaulPosition: lines overlapping icons??? |
| 18:32:37 | PaulPosition | everybody - We do have some trouble reading from the Analog-Digital Converter so the trackpad is a bit jumpy. |
| 18:32:39 | n1s | RTFM!! ;-) |
| 18:32:42 | Everybody | ok |
| 18:32:46 | Everybody | haha ok |
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| 18:33:24 | PaulPosition | The Fine one or the Fu..en one? |
| 18:33:33 | Genre9mp3 | huh? |
| 18:33:34 | n1s | Fine of course |
| 18:33:37 | PaulPosition | ;) |
| 18:33:39 | Genre9mp3 | ah |
| 18:34:59 | barrywardell | dan_a: do you still need to have that i2s patch tested? |
| 18:36:28 | dan_a | barrywardell: I do - I don't know if I've got the logic right |
| 18:36:40 | PaulPosition | Barry: you lost a tester for h10's as I had to put OF back on for RMA (disc is soon to be dead me think). Still wishing you good luck with porting to all those devices 'cause, well, I'll be back. |
| 18:37:08 | barrywardell | dan_a: i'll test on my h10 and an ipod color now |
| 18:37:38 | dan_a | Thanks |
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| 18:38:43 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: that's a pity. what happened your h10? |
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| 18:40:34 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - Nothing extraordinary. Started freezing when accessing some files, even in UMS mode, which sent me into panic mode. Surface scan revealed lots of bad sectors so it being a refurb and only having 90days of warranty, I thought it better put the OF on and start read-writing till it dies an ignomnious (sp?) death. :p |
| 18:41:10 | hcs | ignominious, but I still don't know what it means |
| 18:42:45 | PaulPosition | hcs - lol.. something like patheticly bad... Like that roman emperor who died when some other roman dude said "you like gold? Well drink some" before filling him up with the melted stuff. That would be an ignominious death. :p |
| 18:47:16 | PaulPosition | Damn that stupid thing. After windoze scandisk, linux badsectors and fsck, after seagate's Seatools told me it was going to crash in a matter of minutes, now that I filled it up to the brink, it doesn't find anymore bad sector. Okay, so maybe the fourth reformat moved the badblocks out and pulled some free ones from the reserve? (microdrives work like that too, no?) |
| 18:48:29 | barrywardell | i think scandisk can mark sectors of a disk as bad and not for use. |
| 18:49:35 | PaulPosition | Indeed but when I tested under all those yesterday it was no use (ie, after scandisc surfacescan, badblocks and seagate would still find plenty bad blocks and advise me to backup and pray..) lol |
| 18:50:37 | barrywardell | weird |
| 18:51:00 | PaulPosition | Guess I'll test some more waiting for that RM Authorization.. Can't send 'em a functionning unit, I'd be joked about for years when they go for the friday 5:00-7:00 beerbashes. |
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| 19:03:02 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: white noise on my H10 :( |
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| 19:04:13 | dan_a | barrywardell_: I'll sort that out |
| 19:04:28 | barrywardell_ | do you know what the problem is? |
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| 19:05:02 | barrywardell | bitwise logic? |
| 19:06:08 | dan_a | I'm pretty sure that's it - I've not thought things through properly - it'll be the code in i2s-pp.c |
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| 19:07:14 | barrywardell | i'll see if i can spot anything |
| 19:07:36 | dan_a | Yep - I could see it straight away - there's a load of |= that should be = |
| 19:08:32 | barrywardell | ah, ok |
| 19:09:03 | PaulPosition | Petur - Was it you who, few weeks ago, removed all APE tags from your files? If so, how did you proceed. If not, well, nevermind.. :o |
| 19:10:48 | petur | not me... |
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| 19:11:12 | PaulPosition | petur - thanks anyway :)| |
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| 19:14:05 | dan_a | barrywardell: Try this: http://pastebin.ca/273188 |
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| 19:14:59 | barrywardell | cool, i'll test now |
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| 19:23:57 | barrywardell | dan_a: still white noise |
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| 19:32:34 | dan_a | barrywardell: Found it! See if you can spot where I've used binary instead of hex... |
| 19:32:44 | barrywardell | i just spotted it too |
| 19:32:53 | barrywardell | FIFO_FORMAT_32LSB |
| 19:33:01 | barrywardell | change that to 0x3? |
| 19:33:08 | dan_a | That's the one. Yes. |
| 19:37:01 | dan_a | We should be able to set BIT.FORMAT, BIT.SIZE and FIFO.FORMAT in one line of C |
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| 19:38:55 | barrywardell | that was the problem. it works fine now on my h10 |
| 19:39:14 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - recording? |
| 19:39:34 | barrywardell | nope, changes to make way for the sansa |
| 19:39:51 | barrywardell | although i have had working recording at one stage |
| 19:40:25 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - Ah right, it's true they share so many files.. |
| 19:41:58 | dan_a | PaulPosition: What we're doing here is separating a function that they do share (initialising the I2S bus) from a file that they don't share (the Wolfson codec driver) |
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| 19:43:25 | PaulPosition | dan_a: Uh uh, makes sense. |
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| 19:46:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Swcodec recording is seriously broken in cvs :( |
| 19:47:05 | amiconn | If you enter the recording screen, it appears to be working okay, but after some time (seconds to minutes) the peakmeter stops displaying anything |
| 19:47:24 | dan_a | barrywardell: I'll go ahead and commit that then. I guess the next step is to add API functions to change bit size, bit format, FIFO size, FIFO format, master/slave status, etc. |
| 19:47:38 | amiconn | If a recording is running at this time, it stops |
| 19:48:11 | amiconn | If you try to start a recording, rockbox pretends to record, but the file size and recording time stay at 0 |
| 19:48:21 | amiconn | All this observed on X5... |
| 19:48:53 | petur | I only have that wheb (quickly) stopping and starting recording |
| 19:49:03 | barrywardell | dan_a: yes, looks good to commit. i'm just about to test on an ipod color to be totally sure, but it looks fine to me |
| 19:49:05 | petur | *when |
| 19:49:19 | petur | gtg now |
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| 19:50:22 | PaulPosition | Dan_a/Barrywardell: Have you guys found out what was killing crossfeed and pitch with that bootloader of yours? |
| 19:51:02 | dan_a | PaulPosition: No. It's very confusing! |
| 19:51:16 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: no. but I didn't really look into it either |
| 19:51:53 | PaulPosition | Ah okay. :) |
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| 20:01:52 | barrywardell | where is the crossfeed code? |
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| 20:02:44 | SimonSelki | Man, so I got this tag editor so I could mass edit my tags |
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| 20:02:47 | SimonSelki | and it worked great |
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| 20:03:03 | SimonSelki | no more wierd titles |
| 20:03:31 | SimonSelki | but for some reason, one of the albums I upload comes up as <untitled> for the first twelve songs |
| 20:03:35 | SimonSelki | I can't figure it out |
| 20:04:05 | SimonSelki | I've tried tagging them like 4 times |
| 20:04:16 | SimonSelki | and re initializing and rebooting too |
| 20:04:19 | SimonSelki | any ideas? |
| 20:04:50 | dan_a | barrywardell: apps/dsp.c and apps/dsp_arm.S |
| 20:04:57 | Soap | what tags is your tagger writing? |
| 20:05:00 | SimonSelki | In the WPS screen even, it shows the tittle and album and artist |
| 20:05:10 | SimonSelki | id3v1.1 |
| 20:05:27 | SimonSelki | but in the browser, it just says <untitled> |
| 20:05:53 | Soap | are you using the Database view or FileTree view? |
| 20:06:25 | SimonSelki | and when I brows the files with the Show Files >> Show All on they come up as 01. <Untitled> and 02. <Untitled> |
| 20:06:36 | SimonSelki | like, they still have their track numbers in front |
| 20:06:41 | Soap | see prior question. |
| 20:07:06 | Soap | so, it sounds to me like the actual file names are "01. <untitled>.mp3" etc. |
| 20:07:11 | SimonSelki | what I described first was the Database, and what I just... yeah |
| 20:07:23 | SimonSelki | but I've looked at em.... their not |
| 20:07:31 | SimonSelki | it shows up like that |
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| 20:07:35 | SimonSelki | only on my iPod |
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| 20:08:30 | Soap | so you are using the Database (formerly TagCache) to browse your music, and the tags show up on the WPS but not when browsing the files? Do I have the situation right? |
| 20:09:07 | SimonSelki | yeah, that's right |
| 20:09:46 | SimonSelki | I'm really new to Rockbox though, I didn't know it was formerly TagCache. Makes sense though. |
| 20:10:25 | SimonSelki | Hold on, I got that wrong, in the file browser, it shows the real name of the files |
| 20:10:26 | Soap | I do not use the Database myself - what tags do you have it set up to view your music by? |
| 20:10:37 | SimonSelki | id3v1.1 |
| 20:10:52 | SimonSelki | because id3v2 takes a long time to tag |
| 20:11:02 | barrywardell | dan_a: thanks. that patch works fine on ipod color too btw. |
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| 20:12:20 | SimonSelki | I'm guessing now that it's just not databasing right when I initialize... |
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| 20:14:22 | Soap | SimonSelki: I mean which tag are you browing by in the database? |
| 20:14:59 | SimonSelki | oh, album |
| 20:15:03 | SimonSelki | I'm sorry |
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| 20:16:43 | Soap | can you DCC me a file that is not showing up properly? |
| 20:17:08 | SimonSelki | hmmm...... now it jjust has all the tracks on my iPod in one huge directory when I go to database |
| 20:17:10 | SimonSelki | DCC? |
| 20:17:32 | Soap | an IRC file transfer protocol. |
| 20:17:53 | SimonSelki | sure |
| 20:18:03 | SimonSelki | Sorry, I'm new to IRC as well |
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| 20:35:16 | Ensgabe | Hey there- I'm having some trouble building the Gigabeat build, and I'm clueless at this point; anyone willing to give a hapless newbie some help? |
| 20:35:57 | SimonSelki | Hey, what's a gigabeat build? |
| 20:36:31 | Ensgabe | Just building Rockbox for a Toshiba gigabeat player |
| 20:36:47 | Ensgabe | I'm 90% sure that the problem is target agnostic, though |
| 20:37:12 | SimonSelki | oh, I see |
| 20:37:15 | SimonSelki | Okay |
| 20:37:18 | dan_a | Ensgabe: Describe the problem. |
| 20:40:29 | Ensgabe | I've got gcc installed for the target platform (arm) and I have arm-elf-gcc in my path. Individual modules build, but they don't link together |
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| 20:41:22 | dan_a | Can you post the error messages you get on http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:42:11 | Soap | SimonSelki: ? |
| 20:42:19 | Soap | Your tracks have no track # tag. |
| 20:42:33 | Soap | SimonSelki: you tracks have no track name tag. |
| 20:42:38 | Soap | only artist and album |
| 20:42:41 | Soap | thus your problem |
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| 20:43:20 | Ensgabe | http://pastebin.ca/273268 |
| 20:43:21 | markun | Ensgabe: rockbox cvs doesn't contain all the changes to build it for the gigabeat |
| 20:43:26 | markun | better come to #gigabeat |
| 20:43:28 | SimonSelki | That can't be right |
| 20:43:37 | SimonSelki | I've redone the tags like 4 times now |
| 20:43:38 | Soap | I'm looking at the tags right now. |
| 20:43:44 | SimonSelki | .. |
| 20:43:46 | Ensgabe | Ok |
| 20:44:12 | SimonSelki | Wait... then how does it show in the WPS? |
| 20:44:28 | Soap | I can't speak to that. |
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| 20:44:41 | SimonSelki | No, they must have tags |
| 20:44:44 | Soap | unless the WPS has a conditional to display file name when track tag is missing? |
| 20:44:58 | Soap | I'm looking at the tags - they don't. Period. |
| 20:44:59 | SimonSelki | ? |
| 20:48:32 | SimonSelki | Man, what the hel |
| 20:48:39 | SimonSelki | I really did tag them |
| 20:48:44 | SimonSelki | It doesn't make sense |
| 20:48:59 | SimonSelki | even in the Tag Viewer in Rockbox it shows tags man |
| 20:49:32 | Soap | I don't know how it could - the file you sent me does not have a track #, a track title, a year, or any tag outside Artist and Album. |
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| 20:50:46 | SimonSelki | ....man one sec |
| 20:50:54 | SimonSelki | I'm going to double tripple check everything |
| 20:52:08 | ashes | with iriver firmware my h320 skips sometimes |
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| 20:52:26 | ashes | its 3 days old, refurbished. i never dropped it |
| 20:53:22 | SimonSelki | hmm |
| 20:53:46 | SimonSelki | I'm goin to restart my comp and see what I can do here, it's not even reading my ipod as connected |
| 20:53:53 | SimonSelki | thanks for telling me though |
| 20:54:13 | SimonSelki | I'll be back here or email you with updates |
| 20:54:19 | SimonSelki | I have to go to work.... |
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| 21:00:57 | ashes | i was thinking. it'd be nice to have voice recognision login for portable audio players (ones which have microphones) |
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| 21:02:01 | ashes | to secure our music |
| 21:02:09 | PaulPosition | ashes - I'd rather someone worked on a voice-generator.. I mean, there was one coming with my AdLib card, years before the first SoundBlaster. Those things were 8bits or something, ran on 25mhz 80386's... |
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| 21:03:08 | ashes | i saw a rockbox plugin for voice driven menus (it talks to you, not vise versa) |
| 21:03:56 | PaulPosition | ashes - It's no plugin, it's cvs.. But you have to either record or pregenerate the menu items and folder names voice files.. (or am I totally mistaken?) |
| 21:04:55 | ashes | i think it has voice files |
| 21:05:18 | ashes | i used to have a program that would read a text file |
| 21:05:45 | ashes | years ago |
| 21:05:46 | PaulPosition | ashes - As I said, one was coming bundled with the very first sound card for pc. |
| 21:06:27 | * | Soap 's TI99/4A had a voice synthesis unit. |
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| 21:07:43 | ashes | im not sure how much storage the artificial voice needs for all the basic sounds, but i suspect its much less than the storage to specially record the names of each directory/filename |
| 21:07:58 | ashes | the program i used sounded like crap though |
| 21:08:15 | ashes | you needed to concentrate to figure out what it was saying |
| 21:08:31 | ashes | they might be better now |
| 21:08:59 | ashes | the telephone directory uses an artificial voice, i think |
| 21:09:22 | ashes | and pretty decent voice recognision |
| 21:09:25 | PaulPosition | ashes - Sure but it beats having to braille-read and record mp3s for every album folder you add to your rockboxed DAP.. Or so I guess anyway, I'm not blind. |
| 21:09:54 | PaulPosition | ashes - Of course you can't have AT&T's Natural Language working from a DAP's small cpu. :o |
| 21:11:58 | ashes | one day we will just be able to tell the player what song we want, or even the genre or mood |
| 21:12:21 | ashes | 1ghz would be plenty |
| 21:13:12 | PaulPosition | ashes - sure. Maybe even get it to compose songs for us. "I'll take some drum with that synth, please" |
| 21:13:16 | ashes | and the way they're being integrated with cellular phones, we should get a subscriber service that gives you an itunes-like database that lets you have access to every song ever made |
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| 21:14:24 | ashes | it would be good for everyone |
| 21:15:24 | ashes | fido makes a deal with itunes to sell mp3's at 5-10 cents each for a 30 day usage license |
| 21:15:55 | ashes | the mp3/vorbis is encoded at fido with an expiry date |
| 21:16:10 | ashes | so they get lots of repeat business |
| 21:16:26 | ashes | with an option to buy the song perminently |
| 21:17:19 | ashes | the phone would cost $2000 with the current market though |
| 21:17:57 | ashes | a 140mhz phone with a 60gb storage flash |
| 21:18:34 | ashes | 800mhz would play video better though |
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| 21:19:41 | ashes | and would have enough power to play video and encrypt incoming files at the same time, to squash any priating |
| 21:20:25 | ashes | but for now i just want voice login |
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| 21:23:47 | PaulPosition | I wish my H10 would tell me in a robotized voice "all your mp3 are belong to us" or some such. :p |
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| 21:25:25 | ashes | i can't find voice login software for linux |
| 21:25:33 | ashes | only fingerprint |
| 21:25:46 | ashes | and its java |
| 21:25:57 | lex | omg |
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| 21:26:02 | lex | you know what makes me hard |
| 21:26:08 | lex | http://youtube.com/watch?v=asY_I8y6C0M |
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| 21:26:22 | lex | i have to buy a wiimote |
| 21:26:36 | lex | but good night now |
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| 21:39:02 | webguest20 | I have a problem under cygwin. When I execute ../tools/configure I get the following error message: './tools/configure: line 22: syntax error near unexpected token `{ |
| 21:39:14 | webguest20 | Any ideas? |
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| 21:40:18 | webguest20 | The line 22 in configure contains "input() {". Nothing special... |
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| 21:50:46 | Everybody | <3 rockbox |
| 21:50:51 | Everybody | and I nearly typed cockbox there :s |
| 21:50:55 | Everybody | so be happy :p |
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| 22:06:31 | habana | webguest20: use vmware image of debian system configured to build rockbox |
| 22:08:00 | roolku | webguest20: this is usually a sign that the configure file contains dos cr/lf |
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| 22:08:35 | roolku | webguest20: if you convert them to unix lf it should work |
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| 23:47:24 | towelie4365 | my ipod isn't stable with rockbox on it :-o |
| 23:47:33 | towelie4365 | crashes frequently |
| 23:47:43 | towelie4365 | "Data abort at 00041R18" |
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| 23:48:21 | towelie4365 | I have the latest verion for iPod 4g greyscale |
| 23:48:43 | towelie4365 | anyone have any idea for the cause of this instability? |
| 23:48:48 | Soap | all sorts of ideas. |
| 23:48:51 | towelie4365 | nice |
| 23:49:02 | Soap | you up for building a custom build? |
| 23:49:07 | towelie4365 | Er |
| 23:49:08 | towelie4365 | depends |
| 23:49:14 | Soap | compile it yourself? |
| 23:49:27 | towelie4365 | I don't feel like spending that much time on this |
| 23:49:38 | towelie4365 | I just want a stable environment |
| 23:49:58 | towelie4365 | so I don't have to use iTunes and I can add/remove files like a real drive |
| 23:50:25 | Soap | Rockbox isn't the only way to avoid itunes. |
| 23:50:30 | towelie4365 | I know |
| 23:50:38 | Soap | You can use anapod, yamipod, ephpod, sharepod, etc. |
| 23:50:51 | towelie4365 | I wan't to use an opensource program |
| 23:50:57 | Soap | Ok, so you don't want to compile, I grok that. |
| 23:51:24 | towelie4365 | well, it depends on what the compilation requires |
| 23:51:47 | Soap | Are you willing to give up all official support in exchange for stability? For at this time there is an Unsupported Buld for the 4th generation iPods in the forums. |
| 23:51:47 | towelie4365 | I have almost no knowledge in programing languages |
| 23:52:17 | towelie4365 | Really now |
| 23:52:22 | towelie4365 | I might ahve to try it out |
| 23:52:42 | towelie4365 | so is the supported build just unstable right now? |
| 23:52:49 | Soap | not being an official product, you would need to test any problems you have on a regular build (to verify they are not a result of the unsupported build) before seeking help. |
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| 23:53:36 | Soap | There is an issue with the processor in the 4g / mini 1st gen not reacting as expected to attempts to change CPU frequency. |
| 23:53:47 | towelie4365 | ah |
| 23:53:58 | towelie4365 | so that is what causes its lack of stability? |
| 23:53:59 | Soap | The unsupported build locks the processor at 75Mhz, preventing crashes, but consuming more power. |
| 23:54:27 | towelie4365 | I assume they are working on a fix for that in the supported build |
| 23:55:39 | towelie4365 | is there any other downfall to locking the processor at 75Mhz? |
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| 23:56:47 | towelie4365 | I will stick to this build and just update :) |
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| 23:56:58 | towelie4365 | I don't use my ipod that often |
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