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#rockbox log for 2006-12-10

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00:55:26corecodehey yo
00:55:50corecodei'd like to know how the status of the archos gmini port is
00:55:55AidyMoledoes rockbox build with gcc 4.1.1 yet?
00:56:02corecodeseems it's dead since over a year
00:56:16JdGordonit was removd from cvs recently
00:56:21JdGordonso its completly dead
00:56:39corecodethe xs202 is such a nice and cheap player
00:57:27corecodewhat was the holdup?
00:57:37corecodenobody working on it?
00:57:43corecodeor, too complicated?
00:58:01JdGordoni think none of the current devs had the target
00:58:09AidyMolehey um I don't need g++ to compile rockbox right
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00:58:49corecodeso what's the advice which player to get? sadly barely any supports ogg
00:59:03AidyMoleiaudio \o/
00:59:07JdGordonthe x5 is the current "best" iirc
00:59:38n1sAidyMole: look here for more info on setting up a build environment
00:59:51AidyMolen1s: i'm on that
01:00:09AidyMolebut gentoo has a cross compiling toolchain creation utility
01:01:16corecodebut it seems that the "hard" part was already done
01:01:36JdGordoncorecode: if noeone has one, no work can be done
01:01:46corecodei'd get one
01:01:54corecodeand i would see how i can tackle with it
01:01:59JdGordonthe code was removed in a way it is relativly easy to put back in if the port got restatred
01:02:09corecodecvs rm i guess
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01:03:48corecodei wonder if there is a reason that the manufaturers don't publish information
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01:04:14JdGordonso people dont rip off ther designs
01:04:49corecodei mean, not that i insist on rockbox, it would just be nice to be able to play oggs
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01:07:35corecode __asm__ volatile ("nop");
01:07:47corecodeis "nop" a standardized opcode for all architectures?
01:08:59corecodesad that i don't have experience with embedded systems
01:09:12corecodeseems you don't use interrupts to read the hard disk
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01:44:30Membrilloanyone out there know anything about gigabeat status?
01:45:54JdGordonits moving sowly
01:46:31Membrilloim in the market for a new DAP is all, and the gigabeat X's look snazzy
01:47:19Membrillorockbox provides UMS music transfers on all platforms doesnt it?
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01:48:29Membrillonice... thats the main for me... dont particularly want another h300 or ipod...
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01:54:07Membrillodo you or anyone possibly reading know if the gigabeat has UMS music transfer on its original firmware?
01:54:27JdGordonim sure someon knows.... i doubt it
01:56:09corecodewhat's UMS?
01:56:19corecodelike zune?
01:56:43JdGordonums = universal mass storage
01:56:50JdGordonlike regular usb drives
01:57:10corecodehow everything should be done
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01:58:12Membrillogod i hate transfering music across through programs like itunes... and organizing your files by ID3 tags
01:58:22Membrillonasty with compilation cds etc
01:59:34corecodefortunately itunes can handle this pretty well
02:02:47Membrilloim not a fan of itunes at all sorry...
02:03:21Membrillolike organizing me music myself with good old files and folders
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02:26:39MrStaticVoida few months back, i was able to create an ipod bootloader without the apple firmware.
02:26:55MrStaticVoidi seem to remember creating a dummy file for the ipod_fw command
02:27:11MrStaticVoidi need to do it again, but it keeps on failing to boot
02:27:34MrStaticVoiddoes anyone rememeber how to do this?
02:27:47oboI seem to remember that the dummy file needed to be a minimum size - 512 bytes?
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02:28:53MrStaticVoidyes, ive tried that.
02:29:01MrStaticVoidwithout luck.
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03:03:43VorielHi. I'm a newbie to Rockbox, and am visually impaired. I wondered if someone would be willing to help me with a problem I'm having trying to make the latest Rockbox daily build speak my directory/filenames as mp3 clips on my Ipod color/photo. I used the Voicebox script, and it appears to have made the *.talk directories, but it won't read them as words, just as numbers or spelling. Can anyone offer any help?
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04:12:18yeweianyone know the status of the "Dual Boot on Sansa e200"?
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04:20:57SimonSelkiSoap, are you there?
04:22:55SimonSelkiAight, I still don't know why it didn't have tags
04:23:14SimonSelkiwhat I just did was transfer all the id3v1.1 tags to id3v2 and it worked
04:23:21SimonSelkithey are all showing up right
04:23:29SimonSelkibut it was a peculiar situation
04:23:38SimonSelkiI have it plugged in right now
04:23:51Soapdoesn't sound like a Rockbox issue, though.
04:23:58SoapWhat tagger are you using?
04:24:15SimonSelkiMP3 Tag Tools v1.2
04:24:26SimonSelkiIt's a simple proggie that lets me mass tag
04:24:37SimonSelkier, how can I listen to my iPod while I have it plugged in?
04:25:12SoapA - you really really need to read, at least browse, the maual.
04:25:23SimonSelkiI did, several times
04:25:28SoapB - eject, disconnect, an let the ipod reboot,.
04:25:49SoapC - once you are safely in Rockbox, press and hold the "menu" key while inserting the USB cable.
04:26:08SimonSelkiI was flipping through just now, I know I saw the answer in the FAQ for sure
04:26:33SoapiPod Rockbox has no USB mode of its own, when it detects a USB connection it reboots into Apple's Disk Mode.
04:26:58SimonSelkiThanks, there's a lot of little..... wait, really?
04:27:11Soapreally what?
04:27:17SimonSelkiso, I can't..... will..... hold on one sec
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04:27:35haywirei need help
04:27:46SimonSelkiIt's still charging?
04:27:59haywireanyone here good with installing rockbox on 5g video
04:28:03SimonSelkiThis guy is more urgent I guess
04:28:03Soapvery slowly SimonSelki.
04:28:04haywireive been struggling for hours
04:28:19SimonSelkiThank you once again soap
04:28:35Soaphaywire: Start by detailing what steps you have taken, what error messages you are getting. Details details details.
04:28:43SimonSelkiIt's fully charged, I just don't like wasting the battery
04:29:23Soapmore likely than not, SimonSelki, your ipod will actually lose charge when running rockbox while plugged into USB.
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04:29:50haywirewell i went through alot of installation helps. i searched forums at i did everything perfectly and at the end when i have to disconnect my usb from my ipod an error message with a white background comes out saying: Use itunes to restore (also in other languages)
04:30:10SoapThen you didn't do everything perfectly.
04:30:45Soapdo you still have your original, untouched bootloader.bin file?
04:30:45haywireis it necessary to use the cmd prompt to install rockbox
04:30:50haywirei deleted everything
04:30:53haywireim starting over
04:30:56SoapThe only method I am familiar with is from the command prompt.
04:31:07haywireoh okay.
04:31:18ElaraAnyone willing to help a Rockbox newbie with, what I'm sure are, some stupid questions?
04:31:18haywireive been reading u can do it without the cmd prompt
04:31:25SoapHow are you going to start over? Are you going to let itunes wipe your ipod? Or are you going to write back the bootloader.bin file you originally extracted?
04:31:33SoapElara: ask.
04:31:41SimonSelkiI'll help if I can
04:31:42haywirei first let itunes wipe out my ipod.
04:31:47haywireand i deleted everything
04:32:11haywirei have just reinstalled the bootloader bin
04:32:38Soapreboot, haywire, what do you get?
04:32:46haywiremy ipod?
04:33:12Soapyes, reboot your ipod.
04:33:17myzarany progress on 80 gigs?
04:33:25Soapnow that you have reinstalled your original bootloader.bin.
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04:33:45Soapmyzar: not to the best of my knowledge, check the New Ports forum
04:33:50haywirewell the reboot is fine now because i already restored my ipod
04:33:56haywireit removed all my mp3s,mp4s
04:34:03ElaraI'm using the 12/28/2006 daily build of Rockbox for my 60GB Ipod color photo. I'm visually impaired, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, or it's not reading something I need to do, but I'm trying to change my background and foreground colors, and can't get it to work. I get into where you can see/highlight the RGB settings, but it won't let me change them.
04:34:18Soapahh, so you didn't manually replace the one file, you let itunes wipe and reinstall the hard way.
04:35:12haywirethis is the bootloader im using
04:35:36Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: You're following the install instructions from the Rockbox wiki?
04:35:53SoapElara: I'm sorry, I don't have my ipod nearby, and I am not familiar enough with that part of the menu to walk you through it without having my ipod in hand.
04:36:09haywireim following these directions
04:36:28SimonSelkiElara: From what I can tell, navigating in Rockbox can be fickle in some of the menues. Use the RWD and FFD buttons to change between R G and B
04:36:41SimonSelkiand scroll to change the,
04:36:43Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: And you get no error messages on any steps?
04:37:01Soaphaywire: let us follow the instructions at together.
04:37:13SimonSelkiThat's how it works on my Nano
04:37:16SoapYou tell me each command before you type it in, and I'll say yes or no.
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04:37:29Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: Finish the steps up to 5, and tell us the sizes of the apple_os.bin and broadcom bin files.
04:37:37Paul_the_NerdOr, once you get there with Soap
04:37:48Presence_anyone know what I need to do to get an ipod photo remote to work?
04:37:56haywirewell first i made the folder in c:
04:38:19SoapPresence: use the stock firmware :(
04:38:26Soaphaywire ok
04:38:30Paul_the_NerdPresence_: Spend a little time reverse engineering the protocol.
04:38:30haywireand put the files bootloader-video.bin , ipod_fw, ipodpatcher
04:38:40Presence_so its not possible? Refuse to use stock, it doesnt bookmark mp3
04:38:42Soaphaywire: ok
04:38:52haywireok in the cmdprompt
04:38:56haywiremy ipod is located at: ipodpatcher 1
04:38:56Presence_paul: Well, I guess I could break out the oscope and probe
04:39:03SoapPresence_: It is possible, just not done yet.
04:39:07Presence_but I know nothing of ipod electronics
04:39:19SoapPresence_: IpodLiniux has the protocol documented.
04:39:24Presence_sure it is..I was just hoping it was already dont :)
04:39:29haywireipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin
04:39:32Paul_the_NerdSoap: Not fully, I don't believe.
04:39:34haywirethats what i should type in next right?
04:39:40Soapyes haywire
04:40:02haywireokay at the end it says done
04:40:13haywirenow this
04:40:14haywireipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
04:40:24ElaraThanks Soap and SimonSelki! My other problem is that I can't seem to get Rockbox to speak directory/file names. I ran the Voicebox script, and it appears to have put the *.talk files out there. I've selected talk .mp3 in the voice menu for both files and directories, but it still just reads folder numbers or spells, no matter how many reboots I do. I'm sure I screwed up somewhere. Does the Voicebox script not
04:40:45haywireok it doesnt say anything after i type that
04:40:53haywireipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin
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04:41:07Soaphaywire: yes
04:41:13Paul_the_NerdElara: Your message got cut off after "Does the Voicebox script not" because it was too long.
04:41:45haywireit says nothing after that also
04:41:45haywireand now
04:41:47haywireipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
04:41:52ElaraI just asked, "Does the Voicebox script not work with the Ipod color/photo?"
04:41:53Paul_the_NerdElara: You should check the .talk files, and make sure they are not 0 in size. In fact, if you rename them to .mp3, you should be able to play them in a standard mp3 player to make sure the files themselves are valid. It's possible for the script to fail to create valid files, depending on your computer.
04:42:18Soaphaywire: yes
04:42:48haywiregenerating firmware image compatible with ipod video
04:43:01haywireand now
04:43:04haywireipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin
04:43:38Soapmight want to tell Paul_the_Nerd file sizes now, before you write back to the ipod.
04:43:50haywirethe sizes of my files in rockbox
04:44:07haywireappleosbin and droadcombin
04:44:08Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: What size are the apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
04:44:08Soapapple_os.bin ?
04:44:49haywireapple_os(file size: 7,327)
04:45:06haywireapple_sw_5g_rcsc size: 4,229
04:45:12ElaraThanks Paul_The_Nerd. I'll check them. Should I run the script on the root directory of my Ipod? That's what I did. Plus, my Rockbox DB was created from initializing the iTunes/Ipod DB of the music I'd put on the player with iTunes. Could that potentially cause a problem?
04:45:32Soapwow, quite different from mine (relatively)
04:45:38Paul_the_NerdElara: Are you browsing in filetree mode, or database mode? Database mode doesn't use the talk files, I believe.
04:45:42Soapmust be the different version of Apple OS.
04:45:50Paul_the_NerdSoap: Yeah, shouldn't they both be in the ~5mb to 5.5mb range?
04:46:06Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: How old/new is your iPod, and what size disk is it?
04:46:08SoapI have 6.2 and 5
04:46:23haywirei bought my ipod about 2 months ago 30gig
04:46:26haywireblack video ipod
04:46:32Soapdoh, it is a 5.5 G
04:46:47haywirehow can u tell
04:46:50haywireif its a 5.5
04:47:15Paul_the_NerdIt's very very likely a 5.5G, and the firmware sizes plus the problems you're having suggest it is.
04:47:21ElaraPaul_The_Nerd: I'm in Database Mode. The install said to change my setting to that after installation/initialization so that I could browse/search by Artist, genre, etc.
04:47:25SoapI'm sorry, I brainfarted, I thought you had a 60 gig video.
04:48:08SoapGood news is that Rockbox is working on the 30GB 5.5gen models.
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04:48:15haywireaww yess
04:48:15Paul_the_NerdElara: Unfortunately, since the database mode isn't actually directly tied to the filetree, the .talk files aren't actually accessible to it, I believe. At least not at this time, it should be possible in the future. But as it is, if you used iTunes to copy the songs over, it renames the actual filenames anyway.
04:48:21Soapthere is a long and complicated forum thread on it in the new ports section.
04:48:25Paul_the_NerdElara: The .talk files will sound like gibberish even if they did work.
04:48:40Paul_the_NerdSoap: It's *mostly* working. It's still buggier than 5Gs.
04:49:00SoapPaul_the_Nerd: That was going to be the "bad news"
04:49:23haywireactually my goal was to change my theme
04:49:25haywireof my opod
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04:50:07Paul_the_NerdIt's probably not worth installing Rockbox just to reskin the iPod.
04:50:08Soapgood news #2, haywire, is that you have proven yourself more albe to follow directions than some, and should have no problem reading the (boring) new ports thread on the 5.5G.
04:50:33haywirethank you
04:50:50Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: Really, you just need to use a different bootloader.bin file, the installation is pretty much the same.
04:51:04Paul_the_NerdYou should find instructions in the 5.5G thread fairly quickly
04:51:18haywirei found it
04:51:25haywiream i correct?
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04:52:25haywirei think i can take it from here
04:52:39ElaraPaul_The_Nerd: Is there anyway that I could remove all the songs that iTunes originally copied over to my iPod, and then re-transfer them without iTunes, so that they didn't get renamed? If I did, is it possible the talk .mp3 feature would work, or should I just leave it on Spell and brush up on my quick word deciphering skills?:-)
04:52:42haywireThank you Soap and Paul_The_Nerd. Your help is greatly appreciated.
04:52:50haywireI will idle the channel if anything comes up.
04:53:23SoapElara: that is /possible/ but difficult and limited.
04:53:36Paul_the_NerdElara: Well, the talk feature requires that you're not using the database mode. Which means you'll have to have the file organized on the disk how you want them, so you'd have to create Artist and Album folders (or have a program do so).
04:54:14Paul_the_NerdElara: Your best bet at this time is probably to stick with the spelling unless you're willing to spend some time making sure the files themselves are organized in an accessible manner.
04:54:27SimonSelkiI just did that today, it was a hell of a mess
04:54:37SoapElara: there is a program called "SharePod", which last time I ran it (about 6 months ago) worked perfectly. A little program which would copy all your music off you ipod, and save the songs in perfectly organized folders and track names based upon the tags.
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04:55:19SoapElara: you could use that program to transfer off the music, and create a good folder structure all in one step, then copy the music back over, and use file tree mode instead of database mode.
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04:57:59haywirePaul_The_Nerd: The ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw
04:58:46ElaraWell, iTunes has everything organized fairly well, and I'm not referring to inside iTunes. If I go into Windows Explorer, and look at the directory where iTunes, if I were to load it, would pull from, that directory in Windows Explorer is organized by artist, then by album, then by track. Could I just grab that organized directory, NOT using iTunes, and do it that way?
04:59:50SoapElara: sure
05:00:05SoapElara: now I feel silly, didn't mean to make an easy task hard.
05:00:40haywireThe ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw
05:01:20ElaraLOL I didn't even know if it would work. I'm a noob here. Heck, I don't even know how to remove all the old iTunes copied songs off my Ipod and put the new, non-iTunes stuff on!
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05:03:30Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: See if there's another one later in the thread, but I'm not *wholly* sure it's necessary
05:04:09Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: Unfortunately, I'm not wholly sure it's unnecessary either.
05:04:15haywireits kool
05:05:53haywireAh Ha. I found it. You sir are a genius
05:06:08ElaraThanks for the help everyone. I'm off to see if I can implement any of this. Wish me luck! (I'll probably need it. *GRIN*)
05:06:36Paul_the_NerdElara: Good luck.
05:07:32SimonSelkiOkay, so...
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05:07:56SimonSelkipatches and plugins
05:08:06SimonSelkithey look extremely difficult
05:08:14SimonSelkiI'm not a programmer by any means
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05:12:43haywireCould not open firmware image file bootpartition.bin
05:12:47haywireHow can that be
05:12:58haywireafter this command:
05:13:10haywireipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
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05:14:06haywireoh okay i fixed it
05:15:38SimonSelkiHow are patches and plugins handled?
05:16:18Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: That's not a very specific question.
05:16:23SimonSelkiI heard someone say I have to ReMerge the files with...
05:16:24Paul_the_NerdPatches and plugins are two drastically different things.
05:16:26SimonSelkiyeah... sorry
05:16:32SimonSelkiare they?
05:16:41Paul_the_NerdPatches are text files containing changes to the source code. You apply a patch to the source code.
05:17:11Paul_the_NerdPlugins are compiled files that all share the same memory, only one is loaded at a time... some example plugins would be the text viewer, or doom.
05:17:32SimonSelkiah, ah, okay
05:17:34SimonSelkiI see
05:17:58SimonSelkican put a plugin in the plugins folder?
05:18:03SimonSelkino installing or anything?
05:18:11SimonSelkior do I have to initialize
05:18:47haywireTHANK YOU GOD! I got rockbox working on my 5.5g. Now, to the skin.
05:18:48Paul_the_NerdA plugin has to be compiled to the same version of Rockbox as you're currently running. compiled?
05:19:57SimonSelkihaywire: congrats man. It's a good feeling, I know it
05:20:12Paul_the_NerdWhen you make the .rock file, it has to be made for a specific type of Rockbox (iPod 5G, H120, or whatnot) plus it has to be within a certain time period, or the plugin version will have changed and it won't work.
05:21:41SimonSelkiThat sounds pretty complicated.... I looked at the working with patches, and it wasn't to descript
05:21:53SimonSelkiokay, I had a different situation when I installed rockbox
05:21:58SimonSelkilike, a-typical
05:22:06SimonSelkiI'm not running windows XP
05:22:27SimonSelkiI had to do the first part... the MS-DOS part at a friends house
05:22:36haywirePaul_The_Nerd: Do i download themes to my rockbox and will it just upload it?
05:22:52Paul_the_Nerdhaywire: I suggest at this point reading the manual
05:23:27SimonSelkiYou have to extract the individual files to their respective parts in the .rockbox file
05:23:41SimonSelkiFolder I mean, .rockbox folder
05:24:18SimonSelkiokay, I had to do the MS-DOS part on a friends computer because ipodpatcher would not work on '98
05:24:54SimonSelkiwill I still be able to patch, or am I going to need to use that friends computer everytime I want to update?
05:25:35Paul_the_NerdTo update you just extract the newest and copy the contents over.
05:25:42Paul_the_NerdNo special programs/tools required
05:26:08SimonSelkiand to add plugins and patches?
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05:26:52Paul_the_NerdPatches require you learning how to compile
05:27:11SimonSelkiWhere can I get info on that?
05:27:14Paul_the_NerdPlugins, in most cases, will too, unless they come with a build of their own.
05:27:33Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
05:27:45SimonSelkisure thing man
05:27:48SimonSelkiI'm so eager to learn
05:34:38SimonSelkiokay okay
05:34:58SimonSelkiso compiling doesn't reqiure me to change the bootlog?
05:35:09SimonSelkilike, I may never have to do that again, right?
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05:43:07JdGordonjhMikeS: sholdnt all the rec_* settings in global_settings be ifdef-out-able on HAVE_RECORDING?
05:44:28Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: The bootloader *shouldn't* need to be changed out unless there's a significant change in the way booting happens.
05:44:42Paul_the_NerdIt may need to be changed for dual processor support, for example
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05:46:33unleetI need a modification to RockBox for my H10 20gb. Any takers?
05:46:47unleetOnly small mod.
05:53:40jhMikeSJdGordon: I think the whole global_setting needs proper #ifdef-ing. There's lot of stuff not #ifdef-ed out when the member isn't used. Should just follow the settings really.
05:54:15JdGordonyeah, I noticed that, bit of work for anyone that is game
05:54:39JdGordoncan I assume all th recording settings are correct in the new patch?
05:55:15jhMikeShmmm...I did add the AIFF encoding but that should be pretty easy to drop into the new scheme.
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05:56:31jhMikeSatm I'm working on making the recording buttons petur-mash-proof on the pcm_record end anyway
05:57:06Paul_the_NerdSo that really strange combinations of presses don't kill everything?
05:57:26jhMikeSThey really shouldn't have but the pcmrec thread will do everything so it is serialized
05:59:01jhMikeSIf it still does, something else in another place is insane
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06:00:21SimonSelkiokay okay okay
06:00:50SimonSelkiI should be able to compile then
06:01:00SimonSelkibut if this is how you add patches
06:01:05daurni'm talking to this guy
06:01:08SimonSelkithen everytime you update
06:01:23daurnwho thinks 256 mp3 is higher quality than lossless
06:01:26SimonSelkiyour patches will be removed, right?
06:01:33SimonSelkinot me
06:01:36SimonSelkiThat's why it's called lossless
06:01:43daurni've explained that
06:02:01daurn[15:55:51] <daurnimator> - when you convert around mp3 etc, info is lost
06:02:01daurn[15:57:49] <Noowb> mate it's fine by the time it's all processed to come out the speakers the quality is higher than CD anyways
06:02:01daurn[15:58:49] <daurnimator> ...
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06:02:01daurn[15:58:52] <daurnimator> thats impossible
06:02:02daurn[15:59:10] <Noowb> no it's not
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06:02:02daurn[15:59:18] <Noowb> not when you know how to do it
06:02:04SimonSelkiwell, the file sizes are a lot larger
06:02:09SimonSelkithat should be enough
06:02:46SimonSelkiOkay, I think maybe this guy has never heard real music
06:02:57SimonSelkiand, like people who watch too much TV
06:03:12daurn[15:59:54] <daurnimator> you LOOSE quality when you convert to anything but lossless
06:03:13daurn[15:59:58] <daurnimator> it can NEVER be regained
06:03:13daurn[16:00:30] <Noowb> if you wish to believe that go ahead, i wont force my experience onto you
06:03:52SimonSelkithey think that the images on TV look more realistic than the images taken by better cameras
06:04:02SimonSelkithat's so rediculous
06:04:10SimonSelkiCan Rockbox read flacs?
06:04:11Paul_the_NerdI think he's confusing "I like it better" with "Objectively better"
06:04:17Paul_the_NerdYeah, Rockbox supports FLAC.
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06:04:33*Paul_the_Nerd strongly suggests a glance at the manual.
06:04:39SimonSelkiThis thing keeps getting better and better
06:04:44SimonSelkiI know
06:04:50SimonSelkiI guess I skimmed
06:04:58SimonSelkior maybe I just didn't believe it when I read it
06:05:10daurnPaul_the_Nerd: does rockbox support wavpack hybrid?
06:05:43Paul_the_Nerddaurn: No, wavpack lossy or lossless, but not hybrid mode.
06:05:48Paul_the_NerdIt'll just play the lossy file.
06:06:22daurncould that be.... fixed?
06:06:32JdGordondaurn: anything can be
06:06:37Paul_the_NerdIt's in the "Not easy(TM)" category though
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06:07:15Paul_the_NerdOr wavpack support was mostly implement by David Bryant, and he's pretty much said it's unlikely to happen.
06:08:29SimonSelkiOkay, I was right about compiling though?
06:08:42SimonSelkiIf I update, all the patches I have installed will be wiped?
06:09:12markunJdGordon: hey, gigabeat progress isn't going *that* slowly :)
06:09:21JdGordonmarkun: :) great
06:09:30JdGordonI just use slowly as the default answer :D
06:10:16Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: If you overwrite your build with an unpatched build, yes, they'll be gone. But if you use CVS properly, you'll be compiling patched builds every time, anyway
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06:10:32markunhi Membrillo
06:10:56markunjust buy the Gigabeat X, the port is nearing completion
06:11:04SimonSelkiI thought so, this just means that I need to keep all the patches I install, so I can put them into the next update
06:11:05*jhMikeS thinks he got his first ever recording skip but isn't sure cause radio broadcasts can be glitchy at the source *investigating*
06:11:25JdGordonumm.. congrats jhMikeS :D
06:11:55markunMembrillo: the original firmware does have UMS mode, but will not play any songs transfered in that mode ;)
06:11:56Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: If you use CVS right, you don't have to reuse the patches.
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06:12:22Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: It'll automatically merge the patches you've installed with the newer sourcecode when you tell it to update, then you run the compile command again, and that's that.
06:12:46Membrilloahhh thanks
06:12:51SimonSelkiI read that CVS was lesser suggested
06:12:56Membrillogotcha... so like the ipod UMS mode
06:12:57SimonSelkithan the Daily Build
06:13:17jhMikeSJdGordon: I've had false alarms from naughty words being censored before
06:13:20Membrilloso the gigabeat build is being worked on?
06:13:23JdGordonSimonSelki: paul means if you update your source and compile it youself you wont have to reapply patches
06:13:43JdGordonbut if there are conflicts then you will have _fun_ fixing them
06:13:46Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: Well, I'm referring to the tool CVS, not the "CVS builds", but I'm curious who told you CVS was lesser suggested.
06:14:00markunMembrillo: yes, all the time. But we work on a seperate tree which we will merge back soon.
06:14:02SimonSelkiThat's what I thought, I'm not all down with the lingo here
06:14:07SimonSelkiI read it in a few places
06:14:15Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: We generally try to make sure people know that the Daily Build is just a CVS build from a certain time each day. They really simply exist as an archive.
06:14:21SimonSelkiincluding the highly referred to manual
06:14:26markunMembrillo: visit #gigabeat some time for more info
06:14:37Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: Could you point out where in the manual it says you should use the Daily over the CVS?
06:14:42Paul_the_NerdI'd be awful surprised if it says that
06:14:55Membrillooh ok, will do... thanks
06:15:14Membrillowould you advise buying a gigabeat? good dap?
06:15:23Membrillodoes it have line in recording?
06:15:31markunand no radio
06:15:53SimonSelkione more question if that's alright
06:16:07Membrillodang... thats a bit rough... not much has line in these days though i guess
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06:16:13SimonSelkiI'm on the Patches page right now. Why are some showing as pink and others kinda beige?
06:16:24markunMembrillo: it doesn't record at all
06:16:44Paul_the_NerdSimonSelki: That pretty much depends on what people have set the severity at.
06:16:52Membrilloyeah fair enough... so what does it have on its positive side?
06:17:22jhMikeSlooks like a bad edit on the stations part :\
06:17:35markunvery nice 320x240 color screen + 300MHz ARM9
06:18:27SimonSelkiAh, I see
06:18:48SimonSelkiI was hoping it had to do with whether or not the patches could still be used or not
06:19:21SimonSelkisince the files that the patches modify get updated, they do stop working after some time, right?
06:19:54Paul_the_NerdIn fact, I'd say the vast majority of patches on there will require at least some tinkering to get them working
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06:20:24SimonSelkidamn damn
06:20:55SimonSelkiokay, this was all I could find on the website
06:21:00SimonSelkimanual I mean
06:21:07SimonSelkiIt was also somewhere else
06:21:36SimonSelkiCVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions
06:21:36SimonSelkiSystem.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes
06:21:36SimonSelkito the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there
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06:21:36SimonSelkiis a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test
06:21:36SimonSelkithe code that developers just checked in.
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06:21:36SimonSelkiCVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions
06:21:38SimonSelkiSystem.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes
06:21:40SimonSelkito the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there
06:21:42SimonSelkiis a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test
06:21:44SimonSelkiCVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions
06:21:46SimonSelkiSystem.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes
06:21:48SimonSelkito the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there
06:21:50SimonSelkiis a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test
06:21:53SimonSelkithe code that developers just checked in.
06:21:56SimonSelkiThe last few lines mean not me
06:22:05Paul_the_NerdIs there some reason you pasted it several times?
06:22:25Paul_the_NerdAnd none of that says anything about the daily builds being better
06:22:50SimonSelkidid I?
06:22:53SimonSelkiIf you are new to Rockbox I would recommend downloading the Daily Build, because the Bleeding Edge build could contain bugs that the Developers are not aware of yet.
06:23:04Paul_the_NerdThat's not from the manual.
06:23:15SimonSelkiyou were right
06:23:17Paul_the_NerdAs well, whoever said that doesn't know what they're talking about.
06:23:30Paul_the_NerdThe daily build is *exactly* the same as the last CVS build before a certain time.
06:23:32SimonSelkiI read those two things and I guess summerized em both
06:23:45Paul_the_NerdThe daily build is a CVS build that is made once a day, as opposed to every update.
06:24:04Paul_the_NerdWhich means that the bugs in the daily build are there for 24 hours, whereas major bugs that make it into CVS builds are usually gone by the next one.
06:24:19Paul_the_NerdWhich, if the bug was triggered by a typo, can be less than 10 minutes
06:24:35SimonSelkiThanks for clearing that up for me
06:25:05Paul_the_NerdThe only reason not to use a CVS build is if there's a specific bug in the current one, and you want to use a daily build from before that bug was introduced, really.
06:26:10SimonSelkiI see
06:26:30SimonSelkiOkay, I'm going to try to install Cygwin
06:26:45SimonSelkibut before I do,...
06:27:14SimonSelkiIs it even going to be worth it if I can't use the patch?
06:27:44SimonSelkiI mean, if the patch doesn't work anymore
06:28:04SimonSelkithe particular patch I was looking at has like 7 files up to download, I have no idea where to start
06:28:19JdGordonwhat patch?
06:29:37SimonSelkiIt's the one that allows you to edit tags
06:29:45SimonSelkisomething I would love to do
06:29:59SimonSelkiI also need the one for iPod Batter Guage
06:31:11SimonSelkiah, nevermind
06:31:16SimonSelkiit says it doesn't apply
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06:59:09HugoChavezinstalling rockbox on my ipod video, but it says this after compiling the firmware image
06:59:12HugoChavez"Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color..."
06:59:28HugoChavezshould it do that? and not say it's compatible with 5g/video?
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07:02:44HugoChaveznm, forgot to change nano to video.. :)
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07:38:22retrymy friend is attempting to use ipodcatcher to probe for his ipod on a windows2k machine
07:38:25retrybut he just gets errors
07:38:48retryError reading disk gemoetry: Incorrect function.
07:38:57retryError reading disk gemoetry: The network request is not supported.
07:39:06retryError opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified
07:39:29retrythat last one continues ever after
07:39:41retryanybody have any ideas?
07:39:56retrynot getting any results from the forums really
07:44:44jrockwaydoes he get those errors when the ipod's not attached?
07:46:19retrynot sure
07:46:22retryI'll ask him
07:46:59retryI wish I could do this directly myself
07:47:06retrybut it's his ipod and we're in different states
07:47:51retrylet's assume the errors are the same with the ipod not attached
07:47:55retrywhat would this imply?
07:48:03retrythat ipodcatcher can't find the player connected?
07:48:14retryhow would that be corrected then?
07:49:03retrythe answer was yes
07:49:08retrysame errors disconnected
07:49:23retrymanual disk mode might be worth a shot huh?
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07:51:54retryok he tried to manually set it to disk mode
07:51:58retryand that didn't seem to help any
07:52:04retryany more ideas?
07:52:13retrythis is a 1st gen nano btw
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08:13:45jrockwaywell, it means ipodcatcher is hosed then
08:13:52jrockwayit's getting stuck on other hardware or something
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08:25:26retryseems unlikely since you specify the usb device to check as an arg
08:25:44retryi think he's probably failing to get the thing into disk mode or something
08:25:54JdGordonwin2k... could be a permissions issue
08:29:00retryi think he's running as an administrator
08:29:16retryIll ask
08:29:23retryit's a worthy checking point
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08:35:20firenxhey is there a good way to wipe your ipod and start from scratch?
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08:41:21retrydoesn't get more scratch then that
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09:02:45monkhaving problems installing the bootloader to a 1st gen nano. can anyone help me troubleshoot? :)
09:07:36dakygood morning :D
09:08:35Phoenix7477i can give it a shot, i have a 1st gen nano myself
09:11:11monkexcellent, thanks.
09:11:48monki downloaded the faq, which directed me to the required downloads, got those.
09:12:17monkhooked up my nano, tried to run ipodpatcher and got a series of errors.
09:12:52Phoenix7477your running windows? and which errors in perticular?
09:12:54monkError reading disk geometry: Incorrect function.
09:12:58monkyea, 2k.
09:13:14monki followed the directions to put the ipod into drive mode
09:13:22monkand now it's completely responsive
09:13:28monkthe apple logo slowly blinks
09:13:38monki've tried resetting
09:13:49monkit doesn't register as a drive
09:13:57monki.e., i can't access it
09:14:05Phoenix7477sounds like the partition got clobbered somehow
09:14:32Phoenix7477have you tried restoring the ipod with itunes or the equivilant apple updater?
09:15:26Phoenix7477also, what exactly did you do when trying to install rockbox?
09:15:30monkwell, that's my next question. is it possible to restore it without itunes. i, er, prematurely uninstalled it. i was optimistic about rockbox. :/
09:15:49monki unpacked the zip file on my C: drive
09:16:06monki then downloaded the files mentioned in the manual
09:16:09Phoenix7477should be able to restore it if you followed the right commands
09:16:17monkand tried to run ipodpatcher
09:16:20Phoenix7477you have bootpartition.bin?
09:16:51monkno.. i have a bootloader-nano.bin
09:19:06Phoenix7477which manual were you looking at? mine says you need to extract bootpartition.bin to get working firmware
09:19:09monki'm basically following the manueal directions beginning with installing the bootloader
09:19:23monki've tried all of those steps up to running ipodpatcher
09:21:06Phoenix7477so you ran ipotpatcher and found the correct number to access the ipod
09:21:21CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:21:21*Phoenix7477 is just going to step through them with you to find out where it failed
09:21:24monkno.. i ran ipodpatcher and i got the error i pasted earlier.
09:21:53Phoenix7477ipodpatcher 0?
09:22:07monki tried ipodpatcher 0-5
09:22:18monki received a total of 3 errors
09:22:27monksec, i'll paste the other two.
09:23:37monkError opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified.
09:23:43monki'm sorry, there were only two errors.
09:23:52monkthe first one i posted and that one.
09:23:58monkin that order, beginning with 0
09:23:59Phoenix7477makes sense
09:24:20Phoenix7477and one of them ended up giving you partition table information, like in the manual?
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09:25:02monkno, 0 gives me the first error and all subsequent numbers give me the latter message.
09:25:11monkand none of them seem to work
09:25:18monki don't get anything that looks like the manual
09:25:47Phoenix7477when you unplug your ipod, it still works?
09:26:23monkit's unresponsive at the moment. the apple logo slowly blinks.
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09:26:28monkit does this whether i have it connected or not
09:26:44monkit didn't do this until i followed the directions for putting it into drive mode
09:27:00monki'm not certain how i borked it
09:28:10Phoenix7477what exactly is drive mode? im not seeing it in the manual
09:28:23monklet me check, maybe i misspeak.
09:29:56monkok, beginning of section 2: installation
09:30:06monkthe entry for usb connection
09:30:36Phoenix7477oh, ok
09:30:41Phoenix7477i see what you mean
09:31:06Phoenix7477try disconnecting it, and doing a reset. menu-select and see if it will boot up
09:31:36monki've tried serveral resets
09:31:54monkeither i'm making a dumb mistake or it's borked
09:31:57Phoenix7477the apple logo just keeps blinking?
09:32:05monki can make it turn off for a few seconds
09:32:09monkthen it starts blinking again
09:32:10Phoenix7477(sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a good idea of whats going on in my head)
09:32:21monkno, thanks for helping
09:32:30monkask as many questions as is necessary
09:32:53monklet me try another reset. one moment.
09:32:56Phoenix7477ok, so it was working, then you did ipodpatcher 0 through 5, and it started doing that?
09:33:17monkno, it started doing that when i tried to put it into drive mode.
09:33:40monki don't think the ipodcatcher did anything
09:33:47monki just got failure and errors
09:33:57monkipodpatcher* :)
09:34:03Phoenix7477yeah, it doesn't sound like ipodcatcher wrote anything, but its not working so umm lol
09:34:06amiconnjhMikeS: around?
09:36:11Phoenix7477ok, try power it down and powering it back on. press and hold play for about 5 seconds or so and it should power itself down
09:36:18Phoenix7477then press select and it should boot back up again
09:36:43monkit refuses to power down
09:37:05monkit looks as if it's continuously resetting
09:37:26Phoenix7477yeah, thats what im thinking
09:37:45Phoenix7477it sounds like a bug in the apple firmware, but im not sure (don't work for apple)
09:38:02Phoenix7477if nothing was written to it, then theres no reason why it should be doing that
09:38:11Phoenix7477the buttons aren't stuck right? lol
09:38:24monkhah no :)
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09:39:34Phoenix7477need to find a way to power it off
09:40:11*Phoenix7477 checks apple docs
09:40:48*monk checks
09:41:09amiconnmonk: May it be that you have a charger connected when you try to power down?
09:42:17monkamiconn: i tried disconnecting it. still continuosly resets.
09:42:23monki imagine if i let it run it would drain the battery
09:42:44amiconnThe ipod won't power down with a charger or usb or firewire connected
09:43:26monkyea, it's sitting alone disconnected on my shelf.
09:43:32monkblinking merrily.
09:43:40Phoenix7477ipod seizure heh
09:43:51monkit's throwing its own little rave
09:44:04monki'm reconnecting it to save the battery
09:45:06Phoenix7477did the apple doc help?
09:48:37monkyea, i tried the steps to reset it.
09:48:42monkit's unresonponsive
09:48:56monki'm going to break down and reinstall itunes
09:49:17monkugh what a pain in the ass
09:49:21Phoenix7477worth a try
09:49:36monkoh now that looks promising
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10:14:15monkphoenix it worked :)
10:14:20monkat least it's no longer resetting
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10:15:46monkah, now i'm getting three different errors when i run ipodpatcher.exe
10:16:51monk1) Error reading disk geometry: Incorrect function 2) Error reading disk geometry: The network request is not supported 3) Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified.
10:16:58monkin that order from 0-2
10:17:53amiconnThis is ipodpatcher on win2k?
10:18:33amiconnAre you doing this under an account with admin rights? This is necessary for ipodpatcher.
10:18:50monkyea amiconn
10:18:54monklogged in as admin on 2k
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10:28:10monki'm stumped
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11:12:35Bertrixsorry for the nooby question, ogg playback crashes on an iPod nano v1, what could cause this?
11:12:51n1svery old ogs
11:13:02Bertrixjust made them with oggenc?
11:13:12linuxstbDoes _every_ ogg file crash?
11:13:18Bertrixyes, every file
11:13:28linuxstbWith what error?
11:13:30Bertrixbut i just made them in a batch process, so they are pretty much te same
11:13:33Bertrixhard crash
11:13:40Bertrixnu ero, backlight styays on and reboot needed
11:14:14linuxstbDo other types of music play OK?
11:14:25Bertrixwav and mp3 work fine
11:14:50n1sBertrix: What version of oggenc do you use?
11:14:53*amiconn wonders whether it's possible to tag WAV files
11:15:02amiconnSome riff info chunk type, perhaps?
11:15:28linuxstbI've never heard of any WAV tagging system.
11:15:40Bertrixi selected a wav from file browser
11:15:47Bertrixoggenc version, 1 sec
11:15:57BertrixOggEnc v1.0.2
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11:18:05Genre9mp3Isn't id3 supposed to be capable of tagging everything?
11:18:09linuxstbBertrix: Two things to try first are: 1) Reset the settings in Rockbox (turn the hold switch on as Rockbox is booting); and 2) Delete the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file and unzip again.
11:18:11Genre9mp3id3v2 that is
11:18:19Bertrixi have already done that
11:18:36Bertrixeven created a new filesystem on my nano, just to be sure everything was wiped
11:19:32n1sBertrix: Try a newre version of oggenc from here
11:20:02Bertrixwhen i select the file, the playing screen comes up, all timers saying 0:00, headphones click, crashed
11:20:08Bertrixthanks nls, will take look
11:20:26linuxstbBertrix: Is there anything unusual about the input files? (samplerate, mono, etc)?
11:21:03Bertrixfirst it were mp3's which lame recoded to wav, and then oggenc made to ogg, different sample rates, stereo/mono(most stereo, but mono crashes as well)
11:21:08Bertrixthey all crash
11:21:51linuxstbYou could also try an older version of Rockbox. Versions from the last 30 days are here: It would be useful to know which version broke it (assuming Rockbox could ever play your files).
11:21:55linuxstbSo they're not 44.1KHz?
11:22:42Bertrixi'll try one which is
11:23:27Bertrixthe 44.1 would play
11:23:31Bertrixand now they ALL play
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11:25:19Bertrixit seems fixed, even after a reboot
11:25:35linuxstbOdd... Try powering down.
11:25:41Bertrixi just did
11:25:42Bertrixstill works
11:26:16linuxstbBertrix: If you do work out how to recreate it, can you try Rockbox from 25th November? There were some changes to the resampling code on the 26th which may be the cause of the problems.
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11:38:04SimonSelkiHey, is it only possible to tag Mp3s?
11:38:16Bertrixid3v2 can tag anything cant it?
11:38:33n1sprobably nut most players won't like it
11:39:08n1smost containers have their own tags
11:39:31n1slike oggs have vorbis comments etc.
11:42:53SimonSelkiI have never used oggs
11:43:13SimonSelkiMp3s WMAs FLACs
11:45:25BertrixFLAC rocks
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12:20:08linuxstbdaky: I don't think so, but we always need build servers:
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12:21:15dakyokay =)
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12:30:55Membrillomy h300 died a while back so im not up to date at all on all things rockbox... hows the iriver port going? has video ended up working?
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12:33:50Genre9mp3Membrillo: Video on H300 works at about 16-18fps but with no sound atm
12:34:09Genre9mp3MPEG-1/MPEG-2 streams that is
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12:37:59jba_quite night tonight?
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12:40:50jba_so ttf rendering is slow, but aren't some of the devices atm fast enough tto handle true type fonts now?
12:41:42n1sjba_: maybe but is that what you want to use battery power for?
12:42:21jba_true that
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12:42:51jba_it's just that the gigabeat's screen is such a higher res than other targets
12:42:57jba_most of the nice fonts are too small
12:43:02linuxstbIt's the same as the ipod video
12:43:06markunjba_: the ipod video has the same res
12:43:11Membrillotrue type, does that mean anti-aliased fonts?
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12:43:41jba_Membrillo, not necessarily no
12:43:45jba_manily scalable fonts
12:44:26Genre9mp3Isn't anti-aliased used for proper scaling?
12:44:42Membrilloahhh i understand... does rockbox support anti-aliasing of fonts yet? on any platforms?
12:44:43jba_the battery indicator and volume metre appear too small also
12:44:56Genre9mp3Membrillo: no
12:45:10Membrilloor is it still 2 tone grayscale
12:45:18jba_Genre9mp3, anit-aliasing is the process of shading in the areas between pixels with blended colors to make them appear more rounded, i.e. less aliased (roughly speaking)
12:45:19Membrillomonotone* is the appropriate term sorry
12:45:22Membrilloahhh ok
12:45:23linuxstbjba_: Yes, that's a problem on all the larger LCDs - the same icons are used on every bitmapped LCD Rockbox supports.
12:46:06Genre9mp3jba_: I know, but scaling fonts with no anti-aliasing is not a good idea... that was my original point actually
12:46:22jba_if they are just rasterised icons it should be simple to scale them (volume and battery metre)
12:46:35MembrilloGenre9mp3: is that because it will look all 'blocky'?
12:46:38Membrilloand pixelated?
12:46:57Genre9mp3yes... mostly on small sizes
12:47:00jba_Genre9mp3, the whole point of tte is that the vector of the glyph is used and so scaling isn't a problem
12:47:18jba_like postscript
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12:48:24Genre9mp3jba_: It will be ugly without anti-aliasing IMO
12:49:53Genre9mp3But anyway, as n1s mentioned ttf is not a good idea for Rockbox in general
12:49:59linuxstbGenre9mp3: You mean large fonts are ugly? Whether they are generated on the fly from .ttf files, or pre-generated (as they are now), makes no difference.
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12:50:03jba_yeah i see his points
12:50:49Genre9mp3linuxstb: I'm not quite sure what are you trying to say there
12:51:07linuxstbGenre9mp3: I'm not sure what you're saying...
12:51:07jba_Genre9mp3, i think you are confused about ttf
12:51:19Genre9mp3jba_: perhaps
12:51:41jba_linuxstb, anyhow i guess what I was tending towards was perhaps more larger generated fonts of the nicer ones, like helv 20 or something
12:52:13bluebrotherhow about creating a second fonts package with large fonts?
12:52:18linuxstbFonts aren't "scaled" as such. They are rendered as bitmaps based on the vectors in the .ttf file. Currently Rockbox does this in advance at a fixed size. Adding .ttf support to Rockbox would mean that Rockbox would render them on-target at varying sizes.
12:52:54Genre9mp3linuxstb: I understand you now... thanks for clarifying that
12:53:13jba_linuxstb, exactly, but as n1s pointed out it wouldn't be good for battery life
12:53:35linuxstbjba_: Yes, I'm not suggesting we add it.
12:54:14jba_anyhow, yeah it would be nive to have some more prettier fonts pre-generated in larger size
12:54:28jba_linuxstb, any reason why we don't use bitstream vera sans? i quite like it
12:54:33bluebrotheraren't there pretty fonts at rashers site?
12:54:42jba_rashers site?"> (I think)">">
12:56:04Membrillopre-rendering the fonts seems logical... i would rather download a font package than waste battery life rendering fonts on-the-fly
12:57:02linuxstbjba_: I think everyone agrees Rockbox's fonts need work. But I'm not sure what's needed for a font to be added to CVS...
12:57:11*bluebrother was too slow as he just looked at that site himself ;-)
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12:57:47aliaskPrerendered anti-aliased fonts? Anyone?
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12:58:14jba_god damne everyone is hitting the site now, making it very slow
12:58:14bluebrotheris there any reason against not using the xorg fonts?
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12:58:32Genre9mp3xorg fonts?
12:58:48bluebrotheryes. The fonts rasher builds are from the xorg distribution
12:59:21Membrillocould each character be pre-rendered and stored as a bitmap or jpeg and ran from cache memory or something? then anti-aliasing wouldnt be a problem
12:59:52linuxstbAnti-aliasing requires alpha-blending with the current background.
13:00:02Membrilloahhh good point
13:00:18Membrilloive still got my mind in monotone and simple transparency
13:00:24Genre9mp3bluebrother: You mean include them in the fonts pack?
13:00:53bluebrotherhmm, maybe just providing them as a separate fonts package
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13:01:21bluebrotherso new users can find them more easily
13:02:43Genre9mp3since the fonts package is seperate now from builds, why have multiple fonts packs?
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13:03:01bluebrotherbecause the fonts in the current package are in rockbox cvs
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13:03:38Genre9mp3then again... there are too many fonts in rasher's site... this will bloat the package
13:03:52bluebrotherand because a lot of users (i.e. those with smaller displays) don't have the need for huge fonts
13:04:10bluebrothersure, it would need someone to pick the "best"
13:04:19bluebrotherwhatever "best" is in that domain.
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13:09:53JdGordonanyone know a good gui program to rip cds to flac/ogg/mp3? im too tired for cli
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13:10:51JdGordondw, kde has a nice one installed by default
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13:13:12dan_aJdGordon: If you're using KDE, the easiest thing to do is to use Konqueror. Browse to audiocd:/ and it should have directories for at least MP3s
13:13:49linuxstbJdGordon: I use grip. Make sure you don't enable id3 tags for flac/ogg though.
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14:48:12DivinuZhi all, what is a good app for managing musictransfers to an ipod with rockbox?
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14:49:02Galoisin a pinch, cp or copy.exe will do
14:49:32DivinuZI don't beleve rsync exists for windows?
14:49:34Gnelik41DivinuZ: Windows Explorer
14:49:44GaloisI've used rsync on windows before
14:49:47Gnelik41DivinuZ:Why not?
14:49:57Galoisreally sophisticated users might consider using unison (
14:50:30DivinuZwell, because I am uninformed :P
14:52:02Kitt0sif i restore ipod to factory settings, will it delete all the content i have (not the songs on the itunes, the regular files or music i have on it)
14:52:11DivinuZso you guys just copy and paste your music? It doesn't matter where on the ipod I put it?
14:52:35linuxstbKitt0s: Yes, that's the definition of "restore to factory settings"...
14:52:55linuxstbDivinuZ: Exactly.
14:53:18Galoisyou can't put the music in any of the ipod special folders like iPod_control
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14:53:41DivinuZright, thanks
14:54:25Kitt0swhat if itunes does not recordnize my ipod
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15:03:01linuxstbKitt0s: Sorry, I don't know, I don't use itunes.
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15:07:18dan_aDoes anyone have a charger or usb cable for a Samsung YH-920 that they would be willing to lend or sell? I don't think it should be too difficult to get Rockbox working on this...
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15:13:05linuxstbIs it another portalplayer device?
15:14:38dan_aYes, with .mi4 firmware. And a codec which has a datasheet available
15:14:45Kitt0sis there a way to restore ipod factory settings without itunes?
15:15:12linuxstbdan_a: Only potential problem is likely to be the LCD then. That's stopping my half-hearted Elio port...
15:15:30linuxstbKitt0s: What's the problem? Why do you need to restore?
15:15:37SoapKitt0s: what do you mean by "restoring ipod factory settigns"?
15:16:01Soapremoving the rockbox bootloader?
15:16:33Kitt0sbecause itunes gives me "Itunes cannot read your ipod, go to the summary tab and reset it to its original factory settings"
15:16:34Kitt0sbut i cant!
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15:16:39Kitt0sbecause i click ok on that msg
15:16:48Kitt0sand then the ipod disapears from itunes
15:16:50dan_alinuxstb: Have you tried the Sansa driver?
15:17:08SoapKitt0s: Does Windows Explorer recognize your iPod as a drive?
15:17:32SoapKitt0s: and does Rockbox work?
15:18:33Kitt0sdunno, i use that PLoader 2 thingi.. and the Apple OS works ok
15:18:45linuxstbdan_a: No, I haven't touched my Elio since my initial attempts.
15:19:44Kitt0smight be because i use windows vista?
15:19:49SoapKitt0s: you don't use rockbox?
15:19:56SoapVista is a huge variable in all this.
15:22:21Kitt0si do
15:23:19Soapwere you booted into apple OS or Apple Disk Mode when iTunes gave you the error?
15:24:43linuxstbKitt0s: Have you rebooted your Windows PC?
15:25:00Kitt0sno but does it matter?>
15:25:12linuxstbWell, something's broken...
15:25:41Kitt0strying to run it through apple os
15:26:06SoapDo you have a Non-Vista machine around? I'd like to see the Vista variable taken out of the equation.
15:27:16Kitt0snot atm, will have later today
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15:32:19linuxstbBagder: Are you around and able to update a couple of files in (it contains updated binaries for win32 and Mac OS X).
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15:36:55Slasheriups.. i said dd if=ipodboot.bin of=/dev/sdc1 and forget i had my 600GB backup disk connected.. :D
15:37:04Slasherifortunately it was just backups
15:37:20linuxstbOuch... I always triple-check before doing that kind of dd...
15:37:38Slasherinormally ipod would be always sdc1 so i didn't notice that
15:37:51Slasheribtw, the new bootloader didn't work at least on first try
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15:38:40linuxstbNo, it wouldn't - it's identical to what was there before.
15:38:40Slasherilinuxstb: did you try it on a 5.5g using your patched ipod_fw?
15:39:45linuxstbAll my commit to bootloader/ipod.c did was remove some unused code. It should behave the same as it did before.
15:40:01Slasheriah, true.. but i will try again
15:40:10linuxstbAnd my patched ipod_fw produces identical "rockboot.bin" images to the previous version.
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15:40:45linuxstb(but you now don't need the patched version for the 5.5g)
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15:41:26linuxstbI think the bootloader code itself is fine - the problem is likely to be with ipod_fw.c, probably with the "rsrc" image.
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15:59:00barrywardelllinuxstb: does the ipod bootloader not run from the start of RAM? i wonder if that's the reason the modified crt0-pp.S isn't working on ipods?
16:00:37linuxstbbarrywardell: It's loaded (and run from) the end of the apple firmware, so about 5MB from the start of RAM.
16:01:08barrywardellah, ok. that's quite likely to be the problem (I think)
16:01:12linuxstbIt does a little initialisation in-place, then relocates itself to IRAM.
16:02:31n1sbarrywardell: does "disk poweroff" work reliably on h10
16:03:07barrywardelllinuxstb: you mean the bss and stack initialisation?
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16:03:27barrywardelln1s: it does for me. i've heard reports of crashes with it enabled though
16:04:30linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes (IIRC).
16:04:53linuxstbSlasheri: Yes, the problem does seem to be the rsrc image being created incorrectly. I'm investigating now.
16:05:27barrywardelllinuxstb: apparently that part is very multiprocessor unsafe, which is why dan_a had to rewrite it to get it to work on the sansa
16:07:33linuxstbbarrywardell: That doesn't surprise me - there's definitely something bad happening with the cop on the ipods.
16:07:34n1sbarrywardell: hmm, that is a problem if my patch in the tracker gets committed because it turns it on and removes the option, so would you want it to be always on or always off or do you think the patch should wait untill it works reliably on the h10?
16:08:21dan_aI think the iPod comes out of the bootloader with the cache disabled, which means that the Rockbox bootloader doesn't have to worry about concurrency. The Sansa seems to have cache enabled by its bootloader, which caused problems.
16:08:52linuxstbYes, I'm pretty sure the cache is never enabled in the ipod bootloader.
16:08:54dan_aThe updated crt0 flushes and invalidates cache at appropriate times.
16:10:01barrywardelln1s: which patch?
16:10:09linuxstbdan_a: Is the Sansa port developed enough to test Rolo? The rolo code for the ipod in CVS was my badly-informed attempt, and doesn't work...
16:10:28linuxstb(I'm sure it's cache-related)
16:11:06barrywardelllinuxstb: Rolo works on my h10 if I use my updated crt0-pp.S
16:11:12dan_alinuxstb: Rolo works fine on the Sansa (I can't remember if I had to make one or two local changes) - but the OF doesn't boot properly with it
16:12:05linuxstbHave you both tried different rockbox versions to the currently running one?
16:12:14linuxstb(that's where the ipod rolo falls over)
16:12:27barrywardellno, just the one that's already running
16:14:11dan_alinuxstb: I've tried a different version, with no problems. The change I made was to use the proper cache flushing code instead of reading 8kB memory.
16:15:01linuxstbdan_a: That's good news. Can you commit it? (it can't be any worse than the existing ipod rolo code).
16:15:26dan_aWill do!
16:15:54*linuxstb hates the ipod_fw.c code and wants to write a replacement...
16:19:56Kitt0sso no1 knows how do i reset ipod to its factory settings without itunes?
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16:25:19barrywardelln1s: I'll do some testing on my H10 and report back if the crashes are still present
16:25:54n1sbarrywardell: thanks
16:30:53dan_abarrywardell: Can you test the updated bootloader on H10 and iPod if you change the "adjust for execute address" line to be "and r5, pc, #0xffff0000"?
16:33:35barrywardelldan_a: you mean the "get the high part of our execute address" part? the part you mention is only used in a normal build
16:35:30dan_aDarn, I was looking at the wrong version of the file...
16:36:09dan_aYes, I mean "get the high part", and try it with "and r4, pc, #0xffff0000"
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16:37:48linuxstbdan_a: Your rolo patch seems to work - I can Rolo an IPL kernel...
16:38:36*dan_a does the dance of the working rolo :D
16:39:10linuxstbI doubt it is handling the COP correctly though...
16:39:41linuxstbWhich I expect is the reason I still can't rolo an Apple firmware.
16:40:01dan_alinuxstb: No, it isn't. I've done some quick tests on that, but not got anywhere.
16:40:19dan_a(For one thing, it leaves the COP sleeping)
16:42:52dan_aI've not quite got my head around how memory remapping will work with two cores - will the COP need to reset its own memmapregs?
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16:43:29linuxstbHave you checked how IPL does it? i.e. does the COP run the memory remapping code as well?
16:43:40SoapKitt0s: in response to your parting question. If Apple Firmware boots and works, it doesn't make sense that iTunes is bitching about your player.
16:43:59Kitt0si know dude
16:44:01SoapKitt0s: That is why I was curious to see what happened when Windows Vista was taken out of the equation.
16:44:02Kitt0sjust did a reset
16:44:03Kitt0sno luck :\
16:44:27SoapUntil more evidence comes in - I'm blaming Vista.
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16:46:31Kitt0sis there another way to restore the ipod into its factory settigns?
16:47:08linuxstbDid you keep a backup of your original bootpartition.bin from when you installed the bootloader?
16:47:41barrywardell_trying to compile gives me an Error: invalid constant −− `and r4,pc,#0xffff0000'
16:48:11Kitt0swell... look, i had a bootloader that opens rockbox, and if u click on MENU while loading it gives u apple OS
16:48:26Kitt0stoday i installed PL Loader 2 or whatever
16:48:40Kitt0sbut i don't remember if it worked with itunes before
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16:48:51barrywardell_but 0xff000000 and 0xffffff00 work fine.
16:49:25linuxstbdan_a: What is this line in rolo.c? " for(i = length; i < length; i++)"
16:50:09dan_alinuxstb: Me not paying proper attention! It's left over from your cache flushing
16:50:15linuxstbdan_a: :)
16:50:32Kitt0show do i restore bootpartition.bin
16:50:54SoapKitt0s: the issue as I see it is that iTunes /should/ recognize it in its current state. iTunes worked fine on my iPod when I had the IPL bootloader installed. While that might be the problem, and rewriting your bootloader.bin file will remove the IPL bootloader...
16:51:02linuxstbKitt0s: So you originally had the Rockbox bootloader installed, and then you installed IPL's loader2?
16:51:32Kitt0sits my friend's ipod and he wanted AppleOS by deafult
16:51:46linuxstbKitt0s: Do you still have the bootpartition.bin from the _first_ time you installed Rockbox?
16:51:58*Soap ment bootpartition.bin
16:52:01barrywardell_dan_a: any idea why it won't compile for me? does it compile ok for anyone else?
16:52:30Kitt0si have
16:52:43Kitt0swich is old
16:52:44Kitt0sso yea
16:52:53dan_abarrywardell: No idea - though I think the ARMs are limited in what you can use as immediate constants
16:53:22barrywardell_dan_a: <- that's what I'm using currently
16:53:26linuxstbKittos: Then "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin.bak" should do it (replacing N with the disk number assigned to your ipod).
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16:54:12dan_abarrywardell: Do I remember right that using 0xffffff00 didn't boot on the H10?
16:55:06barrywardell_yes, i just tested that again and it doesn't even show the bootloader on the lcd
16:56:24Kitt0s[INFO] Input file is 41094144 bytes
16:56:24Kitt0s[INFO] Writing input file to device
16:56:24Kitt0s[INFO] Wrote 41094144 bytes plus 0 bytes padding.
16:57:29barrywardell_dan_a: 0xffff0000 boots fine on H10. 0xff000000 also works. 0xffffff00 doesn't
16:57:45barrywardell_now to test on ipod...
16:57:46Kitt0sso now its only ipod
16:58:00Kitt0si mean
16:58:03linuxstbKitt0s: It only has the Apple firmware.
16:58:19Kitt0sok then
16:58:20Kitt0ssame error
16:58:29linuxstbDid you ever reboot Vista?
16:58:46linuxstbAnd itunes worked in Vista before for you?
16:58:58Kitt0s(Operating system) Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate , version 6.0.6000 (51 processes running, 126.23MB free RAM, installed 3w 3d 22h 38m 12s ago, 33m 36s uptime, 3w 1d 13h 26m 34s uptime record)
16:59:05Kitt0sjust rebooted
16:59:13dan_abarrywardell_: I think I've gone the wrong way, haven't I? If the iPod is running 5MB from where the other targets do, we want less bits of the address. My brain hurts and I need a cup of tea.
16:59:15Kitt0sdidn't try
17:00:55Kitt0si'v got to go
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17:00:57Kitt0sspeak to ya later
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17:03:32barrywardell_dan_a: 0xffff0000 doesn't work on iPod
17:05:20dan_abarrywardell_: See the comment above - I think it should be something between 0xfe000000 and 0xf0000000 - when the caffeine works its way around me I'll think about it properly
17:08:53linuxstbShouldn't it just always be 0xff000000?
17:10:42linuxstb(are we talking about line 100 in ?)
17:11:11dan_aLine 66
17:12:13barrywardell_that's trying to get the start of the BL code, right?
17:12:26barrywardell_then copying the whole BL to IRAM
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17:13:50linuxstbThat value is 0xffffff00 in CVS?
17:15:46dan_aBut 0xffffff00 doesn't work on H10
17:16:13barrywardelli don't see why it doesn't though
17:16:33barrywardelland the CVS bootloader worked last time I tried ( which does use 0xffffff00)
17:17:53dan_aDoes 0xffffff00 boot on the iPod?
17:18:20barrywardellnope. i haven't got the new code to boot the ipod at all
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17:20:07dan_aIt would be good if we could get to the bottom of this (and the crossfeed problem on the H10) so we can get the updated crt0 in, which is what is holding up dual boot for Sansa.
17:20:08barrywardelli see the problem
17:20:20barrywardell0xfffffe00 works
17:20:50barrywardellthe updated crt0 has the space at the start to avoid 0xe0-0xef
17:21:17barrywardellthat pushes line 66 to 0xfc
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17:22:38barrywardelland I think the pc is probably some where past that at 0x1**
17:23:34linuxstbAlso, on the ipods, the code before boot_table: must be less than 0x100 bytes...
17:23:52linuxstbOtherwise ipod_fw.c will trash it.
17:24:27barrywardellsounds like that could well be the problem with the ipods then
17:25:51dan_aYes - my solution would be to #ifdef out the padding at the start for iPod bootloaders
17:27:38linuxstbOr I could remove that feature from ipod_fw.c - we don't actually need it...
17:27:42barrywardellyup, that works
17:27:57barrywardellremoving the space at the start lets the bootloader work on iPod
17:28:58barrywardelland it loads Rockbox fine too:)
17:30:25linuxstbShould that new crt0-pp.S help with the COP as well?
17:31:00barrywardellthere's a chance it will
17:31:12dan_aNot on iPods, I don't think, but maybe on H10s
17:32:09dan_aI'll just check that the cop is still branching to the correct place
17:33:35barrywardellthe updated bl boots the ipod OF too
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17:34:52dan_aThere's no reason it shouldn't, but does it boot IPL?
17:35:32barrywardelli've never tried installing IPL
17:36:59muesli__btw does audible seeking in mp3s work?
17:37:01barrywardellwhat about splitting crt0 into BL and non-BL files? i think people were in favor of that before.
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17:38:50linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes, I'm in favour of a split.
17:39:19Genre9mp3would this require exactly the same technique used in bmp progress bar? >>
17:40:14barrywardelllinuxstb: the only problem i came across in trying to do so before was that doesn't recognise BOOTLOADER as being defined
17:41:24dan_abarrywardell: That shouldn't matter, should it? won't be used if BOOTLOADER isn't defined
17:42:14barrywardellah, yes. silly me!
17:43:26dan_aAh, the other question I have - I don't see why it should have, but has fixing the bootloader sorted out the crossfeed problem on h10? If not, is the problem there on the iPod too?
17:45:44barrywardelli haven't tested yet. the crossfeed problem doesn't exist on an ipod using a normal build with an old crt0
17:45:55barrywardelland with the new bl of course
17:46:22dan_aThat's good, at least.
17:46:32barrywardellso it's probably a mistake by me in making a new crt0 for non-bootloader builds
17:46:53barrywardelllinuxstb: boot_table is only used on ipod's?
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17:48:00linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes. It's not even used in Rockbox though - it's something leftover from the old ipod loader. ipod_fw.c writes some information there.
17:48:14linuxstb^old ipodlinux loader
17:49:22barrywardellso maybe that should just be removed too?
17:49:54linuxstbYes, but it would mean changing ipod_fw.c. We would also lose some compatibility with IPL.
17:50:25barrywardellah, ok. maybe easier to just leave it in for ipods then
17:50:35linuxstbI think so. For now at least.
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18:04:23dan_abarrywardell: How did you fix the invalid constant problem?
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18:05:14barrywardelllinuxstb, dan_a: here's a patch:
18:06:23barrywardelldan_a: the answer to your question is on line 475 of the patch
18:06:41barrywardellalthough i think that can be changed back to 0xffffff00 now.
18:06:56barrywardellactually, maybe not
18:09:51Arathisanybody here having experience setting up an arm-elf-gcc evironment on ubuntu linux?
18:10:25barrywardellArathis: have you used
18:11:52Arathisbut I get an error cause it can't find
18:12:53barrywardellhave you got iconv installed?
18:13:12ArathisI can find it on my machine too
18:13:18markundo you need iconv to compile gcc?
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18:14:01barrywardellwhat's the exact error message?
18:14:29Arathiscan't remember. I closed the window .... running it again right now
18:15:38barrywardelldan_a: i think the sansa bl should look in /System for the OF. that way it wouldn't get deleted when updating rockbox and deleting .rockbox
18:16:48barrywardelldan_a: and is there really a need for separate h10.c and e200.c?
18:16:53dan_abarrywardell: Given that I'm going to have to flash the OF on in order to put Rockbox on *because* I'd deleted .rockbox... I can't argue at all!
18:16:57amiconnYou shouldn't delete .rockbox when updating
18:17:30amiconnThat way you lose all settings saved from plugins (and soon main settings as well), and database files etc etc
18:17:50barrywardelldan_a: it has happened to me too, several times. that's why i mentioned it
18:18:05barrywardellamiconn: but sometimes deleting .rockbox fixes weird problems
18:18:32dan_aAnd as long as the code it h10.c and e200.c can be cleanly combined, then they should be one file.
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18:19:04*Genre9mp3 remembers deleting his rocks dir and loosing his jewels high scores...
18:19:07Genre9mp3I never played jewels again :/
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18:19:40barrywardellamiconn: there are many reports on mistic river of people who updated by just extracting over the .rockbox having problems. removing .rockbox and reextracting fixed the problems
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18:20:13Arathisbut often resetting settings fiexed it too
18:20:33barrywardelldan_a: as far as i can tell they're almost the exact same, apart from a couple of strings
18:21:31dan_aThey shouldn't be too different - the first version of e200.c was an exact copy of h10.c
18:22:56amiconnbarrywardell: Then they use a strange unzipper which doesn't overwrite old files
18:23:35dan_abarrywardell: I've found the rules for what makes a valid constant in ARM - from stg3
18:23:43amiconnExtracting a new build over an existing one never causes problems by itself if all extracted files replace the existing ones with the same name
18:23:52linuxstbOr they don't cleanly unmount/eject, leaving some corrupted files behind, and the next time it works...
18:24:17amiconnI always just pull the cable... on windows, with write caching disabled
18:24:41barrywardelldan_a: a diff between the two shows the only real difference is in the text strings, calling things iriver/Sansa
18:25:12barrywardellamiconn, linuxstb: either way, getting them to delete .rockbox and reextract frequently works
18:25:28dan_aI'd say combine them, then
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18:26:18barrywardellonly problem is which file to keep? pity cvs can't just rename to mi4.c
18:26:51linuxstbDelete them both and create a new mi4.c...
18:27:26*linuxstb waits for preglow to suggest a replacement for cvs
18:27:49dan_ami4.c might be confusing - there is already tools/mi4.c
18:27:57linuxstbmain-mi4.c ?
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18:29:05linuxstbBTW, with the new crt0-pp-bl.S code, I seem to be able to reliably load apple_os from a file on the FAT32 partition.
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18:30:54barrywardellso would it be best to try use the same main-mi4.c for the ipod too?
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18:31:18linuxstbThe ipod isn't mi4... The bootloader also has a button driver (we don't use the standard Rockbox one).
18:31:24dan_aExcellent - I'll have a play and see if I can make RoLo reliably boot the Sansa OF
18:31:39linuxstbdan_a: Sorry, not with Rolo, but from the bootloader....
18:32:26barrywardelllinuxstb: there isn't really anything mi4 specific in the code
18:32:42dan_abarrywardell: yet
18:32:55dan_aI want to make it able to boot native mi4 files
18:33:27linuxstbdan_a: Doesn't that mean incorporating decryption code?
18:34:11dan_aIt does - would that be a problem?
18:34:38linuxstbbarrywardell: Maybe call it main-pp.c, so we could possibly incorporate the ipod bootloader in the future.
18:34:49barrywardelldan_a: possibly with including the decryption key?
18:34:54barrywardelllinuxstb: will do
18:35:40linuxstbdan_a: Is mi4code.c GPL'd?
18:36:02barrywardellwhat about the string "iriver H10"/"Sandisk Sansa E200"
18:37:16barrywardellmi4code.c doesn't mention any licence
18:37:47dan_alinuxstb: There's no licence information - but since it's by MrH and he wants to remain anonymous, I was not going to use any of mi4code.c
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18:41:37Arathisbarrywardell: my error msg while running "/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
18:42:19barrywardellArathis: where is
18:42:38linuxstbdan_a: I think I remember talking about this with Bagder in IRC once, but can't remember what he thought.... But if you can do it without using any code from mi4code.c, then I can't think of a reason why not.
18:43:33Kitt0slinuxstb, Soap, u there?
18:44:31Kitt0sok its wired.. windows seems to connect the device, then disconnet, then connect etc.
18:44:36Kitt0son and off
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18:45:45dan_abarrywardell: Either take that string out, or have it #ifdeffed at the top of the file. It's probably useful to keep it in
18:47:41linuxstbDon't people know the name of their player? :)
18:48:21Kitt0slinuxstb, what do u think?
18:48:33linuxstbKitt0s: I'm glad I don't use itunes...
18:48:40dan_alinuxstb: I was thinking for when people came in here and complained that Rockbox didn't work, and by the way why does it say "Sansa E200" on their iRiver H10...
18:49:29linuxstbYou could just define a string in config-xxxxx.h to be displayed in the bootloader.
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18:51:04SoapI think you have proven the issue is not rockbox / IPL related.
18:51:33SoapI think you need to test on: 1-A non Vista machine. 2-With a different USB cable.
18:53:23Arathisbarrywardell: $ locate
18:57:09barrywardellArathis: what does "echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH" say?
18:58:25Arathisjust an empty line
18:58:32Arathis$ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
19:00:23BgerArathis: btw, why do you use instead of the standard tools ?
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19:00:41Arathiswhich standardtools?
19:00:53ArathisI just try to follow
19:02:00Bgeroh, ignore me
19:02:31barrywardellArathis: try this: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib"
19:02:37barrywardellthen run again
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19:03:09ArathisI'll try
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19:13:10dan_alinuxstb, barrywardell: The COP works with the updated bootloader. I think we should wake the COP from the CPU before branching to main, though.
19:14:35barrywardelldan_a: i gotta go now, but i'll read the logs to see you explanation of why
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19:15:36dan_athat is - in the Rockbox version of crt0 - not the bootloader version.
19:18:02barrywardellthat's my latest version of the changes - splitting up crt0-pp, combining files in bootloader/, updated crt0-pp-bl.S to improved version, crt0-pp.S is the same as CVS with the bootloader stuff removed.
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19:22:43Arathisstill the same error while compiling the arm-efl-gcc :(
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19:27:12noteventimeI'm trying to find some info on what hardware my player runs on
19:27:29dan_aWhat player is it?
19:27:44noteventimeIr's not supported by rockbox. TwinMOS mmd318s
19:28:00noteventimeThe only thing I've been able to figure out is that it uses a pma300
19:28:30noteventimeBy unscrewing it
19:28:50noteventimeWhich is some kind of mp3decoder thingy
19:29:31noteventimeThe thing is that I can't seem to get past the display, and I'm not sure how much violence i can use without breaking it
19:32:32noteventimeDo you think there is any chance of finding it out some other way?
19:33:38TeaSeaConsidering TwinMOS's own site has a 404 error when you try to view the player you may be out of luck.
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19:34:15shrimantswill winamp pick up rockbox as a removable device and allow you to sync/
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19:35:16noteventimeTeaSea: Haha, I was kinda guessing, nothing better to do though. Thanks anyway
19:36:25linuxstbnoteventime: Is the firmware upgradable?
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19:37:15noteventimelinuxstb: Yes
19:38:36markunshrimants: all rockbox targets are connecting in "usb mass storage" mode, does that help?
19:42:35linuxstbnoteventime: Do you know if it's encrypted? A first test would be to look in a firmware update, try and edit a string with a hex editor, and then try to run that modified firmware.
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19:42:58noteventimeI'll check it out
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19:43:50shrimantsmarkun: not really i kind of blanked out and now im completely lost
19:44:20noteventimehmm, what's the best hexeditor for linux? :P
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19:44:54shrimantsnoteventime: xvi32?
19:45:37linuxstbnoteventime: emacs will work...
19:45:54shrimantsgots to go, later
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19:46:15linuxstbnoteventime: Also, do you know if you can recover your player if it rejects the firmware file?
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19:47:58noteventimeI have no idea I'm afraid :) There is barely any info on it. I'm not very fond of it though. + I wasn't going to do any experimenting on it today. I was marely interested in knowing what hardware it ran on so I'd know if it was even remotely possible to do any work on it.
19:48:08noteventimeThe support sucks :P
19:49:41markunnoteventime: is there some kind of user forum for your player?
19:49:54noteventimeNot that I've been able to find :)
19:49:58linuxstbAre there any other major chips apart from the pma300? I'm thinking of a CPU....
19:50:50noteventimeThere should be, the problem is that all the major components are below the display
19:50:57noteventimeAnyway should be
19:51:37noteventimeAs I can't see them anywere else
19:53:21linuxstbThe pma300 seem to be manufactured by a Chinese company called "Actions Semiconductors Co. Ltd", but I can't find any info on their website:
19:54:07noteventimeIs it of any real interest though. Maybe they're manufactured for a specific hardware,,,
19:57:07linuxstbnoteventime: Have you read this page?
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20:01:29pondlifeLast bit of reminder-spam; the eBay auction for my Archos V1 Recorder finishes soon.
20:01:47*pondlife apologises for the commercial break
20:01:59pondlife...and now back to our scheduled program.
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20:04:29noteventimeI'll have to fix my homework and get back to this a little later :P
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20:24:41amiconnpetur: Renaming 'microphone' to 'internal microphone' doesn't make much sense e.g. for archos
20:24:56amiconnThe suggested renaming of 'line in' makes even less sense
20:25:08amiconnMicrophone is always internal on archos
20:25:33peturso make it target specific?
20:25:37amiconnThe line in is a pure line in; you cannot connect a microphone without a proper mic preamp
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20:26:21amiconnI think so. Probably the combined line in / mic in is iriver only (h1x0 and h300)
20:26:33amiconnNot sure about the X5
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20:31:37terriblyineptWhat's the discussion, if you don't mind me butting in and listening a bit?
20:32:18peturhi Bger
20:32:21Bgerhi :)
20:32:27peturlong time...
20:32:34Bger.. no time...
20:32:53*Bger just spotted that disktidy can't enter more then 7 (or 8) levels in the dir tree
20:33:39Bger(because it doesn't close the dir handle and #define MAX_OPEN_DIRS 8 )
20:34:50peturhmmmm.. then my properties plugin should have the same issue, as will the recursive dir delete...
20:35:07*petur tries
20:38:00peturstrange, seems to work
20:39:15peturah no, it silently fails to detect anything lower
20:39:25Bgerah, okay
20:39:56amiconnBut you cannot close the parent handles, otherwise recursion won't work
20:40:07petursame for delete dir: fails silently
20:41:12peturamiconn: indeed, unless you keep a counter and assume the order and count stay the same
20:41:58peturwhich, unless somebody added a random generator to the dir enumeration, should work
20:43:52amiconnIt will get a lot slower though
20:44:21peturin the case of dir delete: even more...
20:44:39amiconn...because then you always need to reopen the dir and advance to the last position
20:44:51Bger(especially if dircache is turned off)
20:44:56amiconnNot in case of recursive delete though
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20:45:24amiconnIn this case, the next entry is always the first one
20:47:45amiconnOf course the closing of open parent handles could be made dynamic
20:48:06amiconnAdds quite some complexity though
20:49:00*amiconn thinks that having 8 dirlevels is somewhat insane though
20:49:22Bgerhere is an example /D/iriver/h300/Docs/usb/DevClass/ms/Protocols
20:49:59peturon pc, I have too but not on a DAP
20:50:04Bgerand i don't think it's insane..
20:51:39Bgernot if you use your DAP as a removable HDD too
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20:58:42n1swhat is database.[ch] used for? the new database (tagcache)?
21:00:00n1samiconn: I was testing your suggestion to make private functions static and I have managed to save about 150b on recorder builds :-)
21:00:29amiconnNice :)
21:00:57*petur notes that recording is still borked on his h340 :(
21:01:24amiconnYes, very
21:01:34Ploujwhat's broken on h320?
21:01:35Slasherieh, database.c?
21:01:54amiconnRecording stops to advance here after seconds to minutes
21:01:59Slasheridatabase.* is the burried tagdb
21:02:12Ploujsomeone suggested to me that iriver 320 works with rock box just as well as an ipod nano ...
21:02:14peturoh sorry, didn't see you asked for the .c/.h files
21:02:24amiconnInterestingly, I only observe this behaviour on X5 and H300 only
21:02:40amiconnOn H1x0 recording works like a charm
21:02:54*amiconn recorded ~1.5 hours this morning
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21:03:16Bgeramiconn, petur: which builds do this stopping ?
21:03:24peturPlouj: I think RockBox works better on iriver than on ipod
21:03:29n1sSlasheri: they are still built...
21:03:39amiconnEither it's a timing problem caused by the colour lcds, or it depends on the absence of s/pdif in
21:03:41peturBger: latest cvs?
21:04:00peturit must be a timing issue as a logf build seems to work better
21:04:12Slasherin1s: no, they shouldn't be..
21:04:13Ploujpetur: but there are these bugs mentioned: - although I'm not sure which model of the device they apply to
21:04:24Bgerdoes the build from friday morning (08.12) do it ?
21:04:46Slasherin1s: database.c isn't defined anywhere in apps/SOURCES
21:05:23peturPlouj: last updated 6 months ago ;)
21:05:29n1sSlasheri: I know but if I rename it, it won't build
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21:06:10Ploujwell, someone should update that wiki then
21:06:21peturPlouj: and those issues are all for swcodec devices, which the ipod is too
21:06:58Bgerpetur ?
21:07:03n1saha! database.h is included in main.c
21:07:44Bgerdo you know whether a build from friday morning will have the "stopping" issue too ?
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21:08:10peturlast known stable recording was mid-august
21:08:49Bgerbut i'm using it very often for voice recording and i don't mind the problems that u can't stand...
21:09:00Bgerbut if the recording process stops ...
21:10:14amiconnI'm pretty sure this stopping issue is pretty new, added somewhere between 01 Dec and 08 Dec
21:10:35Bgeramiconn: what are the symptoms ?
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21:11:01amiconnRecording stops after some time (ranging from seconds to minutes)
21:11:03Bgerbecause i've made 2-3 recordings (each at least 2h30m long) since then
21:11:18Bger(mp3, mono, 64kbps)
21:11:24amiconnIf recording is in standby when it happens, you can start recording, but then it just pretends to record
21:11:53amiconn..i.e. file size doesn't increase, and peakmeter is empty
21:12:16amiconnThis is pure wav recording.
21:12:27amiconnTried mic/line in as well as mono/stereo
21:13:39Bgerokay, recording with these params (mp3 etc) dated 06.12 haven't stopped
21:14:22amiconnI get this behaviour both on H340 and on X5
21:14:36Bgersince when ?
21:14:50amiconnTried yesterday and today
21:15:02amiconnA build from 1 Dec works on X5
21:15:25Bgerbtw, what do you think of some kind of "root rockbox dir" parameter passing (through ROLO) ?
21:16:06Bgerok, i'll try to explain
21:16:56Bgeri mean some kind of mechanism, allowing to have more than one full rockbox copy (plugins, codecs, etc)
21:17:00Bgerat the same time
21:17:12amiconnWhy would you want that?
21:17:48Bgerrecording issue for example...
21:17:55LearTo switch between different versions?
21:18:15amiconnTo lessen the pressure to fix issues?
21:18:26amiconnI'd say that's the wrong way...
21:18:28Bgeri expected this :)
21:19:20amiconnI didn't see the need to run completely separate builds a single time on any of my targets for the whole time I'm involved in rockbox
21:20:00amiconnI do sometimes use rolo for test builds, and to show the ugliness of retailos on archos
21:20:16Bgergood reason (last one)
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21:20:28amiconnThese test builds can just use the installed codecs and plugins
21:21:17Bgeryep, but i doubt it could if the build is half an year old
21:22:12amiconnYes, but then I have no need for any old build, except if I want to check how it behaves, and then I just do a full install
21:22:42Bgerokay, it was just an idea...
21:23:12amiconnRoLo is still helpful for this, because I don't need to power down & power up again
21:24:40amiconnBg3r: If you really want to keep such an old build for special purposes, just recompile it with a changed rockbox root
21:25:09Bgeryeah, that's a way
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21:30:34Bgerplugin writers should stop using ".rockbox" literally ...
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21:37:27dan_aDo some people not think before they post on the forum? Someone on the Sansa thread has just told us to "fix the scrollwheel and fix the sound playback." Ooh, I'd not thought of implementing *sound* on Rockbox!
21:39:13Bgerlol, one guy is selling 3kg EDO RAM for ~ 50 EU
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21:48:36Blorkhi all
21:49:27BlorkI was wondering if you guys know of a program that lets you use the new ipod shuffle 1GB without itunes.
21:49:50BlorkI cant find one that is compatible with the new shuffle
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22:33:10JdGordonwould distcc over a 100mbit lan (on 2 windows machines under cygwin) speed up compile much over just the one cygwin?
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22:35:06thegeekJdGordon : I don't know about cygwin, but distcc helps quite a bit under native linux ( gentoo )
22:35:25JdGordonok, proabbly worth a shot then
22:35:38Sumguy21My ipod nano just died, I installed the firmware had it running, plugged it into the computer, went to diskmode put some stuff on, un plugged it
22:35:48Sumguy21Then the battery symbol appeared and it shut off and I can't get it to turn on.
22:36:04JdGordonSumguy21: hold select and menu untill something happens
22:36:08JdGordonthen charge it fully
22:37:25Sumguy21It is charged fully, is this supposed to happen whenever I unplug it from the computer?
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22:37:40JdGordonbut it happens t my ssters nano occasionallt
22:37:47JdGordonhold menu and select for about 6sec
22:37:52Sumguy21Weird, whatever. Can I uncap volume?
22:38:22JdGordonvolume goes up to +8dB on the ipods or somehin crazy
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22:39:21Sumguy21Only goes up to 6 on mine, but is it possibly to uncap?
22:40:01JdGordon6 is the highest then
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22:40:18JdGordonwe belive i the right to destory our ears here...
22:40:27Soapif +6 doesn't blow your eardrums, you have 600ohm headphones.
22:40:48Everybody|awayMy headphones literally jumped out of my hand when I put it up that high
22:40:53Everybody|awayit was quite fun
22:41:06Everybody|awaybut they're expensive headphones so now I have some cheap old headphones that I can use as loudspeakers :D
22:41:12Sumguy21Mine aren't doing anything special, it doesn't even seem abormally loud considering how loud some people listen to music.
22:41:14Everybody|awaybut it drains battery like hell
22:41:17Blorkdoes anyone know where i can find a replacement for itunes for the new shuffle?
22:41:35Blorktryed it and its not compatible
22:41:39Everybody|awayAlso you shouldn't have a Shuffle, it's a waste of time :D
22:42:05JdGordonBlork: his is #rockbox, we arnt a apple support channel, we only deal with rockbox on rockboxable targets
22:42:09Blorkwon it in a raffle
22:42:26Sumguy21Is there a menu system similar to the apple firmware, or is it just put it on through disc mode?
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22:43:03Blorki was hoping that someone here might know
22:43:29Blorkbut then i guess my luck ran out on the raffle
22:44:11Sumguy21No there isn't?
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22:46:15SoapSumguy21:" Database" is what you need to read up on in the manual/wiki/forums.
22:46:40SoapIt is a topic fit for more detail than I can type in an hour.
22:47:03Sumguy21Anything else I should try out?
22:50:03*JdGordon wondering why his cdrom is working much faster this morning than it was last night
22:51:31amiconnPerhaps it was tired... ;)
22:51:40JdGordonI think so
22:51:54pixelmaah... JdGordon, I don't know what progress you made... but testing yesterday's settings patch - it still don't save resume position and settings changed during playback (i.e. rebuffering)
22:52:34JdGordondamn, damn damn! Ok, ill keep looking
22:52:49*pixelma is going to compile the lates version
22:52:50JdGordonIm working on making sure all he settings are working correclty now
22:53:51pixelmadid anything about the lcd mode "inverse" changed between yesterday and today?
22:54:13JdGordonI fixed the calback not working, but im not sure if that makes a difference
22:54:47pixelmaok... I'll just test the new one and tell you more then
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22:57:20Sumguy21Why aren't my headphones jumping out of my hand like i hear rumored?
23:02:40Soapwhat headphones do you have?
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23:23:54Sumguy2199 cent ones
23:24:11Sumguy21But I plugged them into better ones and they didn't do much different
23:24:14Sumguy21Ear buds...
23:25:49Soapregardless, rockbox will drive them as hard as the hardware can drive them.
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23:33:32arideseis anyone working on rockbox for ipod?
23:34:01Soaplots of people.
23:34:18arideseoh my bad
23:34:22aridesehaha, i meant 3g ipod
23:35:22dan_aA lot of the work for the other iPods helps the 3g. I'm the only developer who has a 3g, though, and I'm not smart enough to make it play without skipping on MP3s
23:35:59arideseoh −− how does the original firmware use the 5002?
23:36:26Soapwell ;)
23:37:37aridesei remember talking to someone about how the original firmware loads data into memory insted of pumping it straight into the 5002
23:37:46dan_aIt uses both of the cores - I'm working on doing that at the moment (amongst other things) but it is going slowly. One big problem if I get it working is that we think using both cores will use more battery
23:38:00Bagderaridese: eh, that doesn't make sense
23:38:03dan_aWe buffer data in memory too
23:38:08arideseyeah, i might have forgotten
23:39:04arideseoh. is the code for the playback convoluted? e.g., a lot of hardware calls, direct access to memory?
23:39:50Bagderget the code and check for yourself!
23:40:33BagderRockbox runs on numerous players so it should be an indication that we have a certain degree of abstraction
23:41:04Bagderbut we try to avoid adding unnecessary layers or things that complicate or slow down
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23:43:44aridesei see
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23:45:09aridesei cant find any cvs/code info on the site
23:45:14aridesewhere is it?
23:45:33*petur hands aridese a couple of eyes
23:45:49*Bagder goes to bed
23:45:51linuxstbBagder: Did you see my message in the logs to you about
23:46:31BagderI'll fix that
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23:47:57Bagderso they replace the existing ipod_fw.exe and ipod_fw I take it?
23:48:18*amiconn now has a multi-lcd-resolution fixed bounce.c
23:48:29Bagderlinuxstb: done!
23:48:31*petur just discovered some crazy borked menu stuff
23:48:46linuxstbBagder: Thanks. A step closer to saying we support the 5.5g (30GB at least...)
23:48:54Bagdervery nice indeed
23:50:15peturrepeat the key sequence "REC, UP, UP, RIGHT, long SELECT" about 4 times, then start pressing left to back out. Suddenly in the list of plugins the extensions start to flash on/off.... xmas decoration :D
23:50:59petur shows worse issues in the menu system than the bugreport mentions
23:51:38peturI think we should hard block menu recursion
23:52:03amiconnMenu recursion is blocked afaik
23:52:52amiconnSub browsers don't allow entering the main menu
23:52:59peturtry that key sequence on iriver hxx0 (or iaudio x5)
23:53:32amiconnContext menu should be allowed, 'cause it's very handy for deleting unwanted plugins/ fonts/ whatever
23:53:59peturand from the context menu, you can enter the menu again
23:54:17*amiconn wonders why
23:54:32peturjust try that key sequence 4 times and back out, it's really funny. Do keep the paperclip handy
23:54:36amiconnThe only place where the context menu needs to allow entering the main menu is the Ondio wps
23:55:19*petur didn't know rockbox could make file extensions blink
23:55:46amiconnNothing blinking here
23:55:51jbaif anyone sees jhmikes around tell him we found the cause of the infinte loop in audio_stop on the gigabeat port. It was a bad pre-processor conditional that made yield and empty function, and so the while(playing ..) yield(); was keeping the processor too busy to not be playing
23:55:56amiconnAfter about the 5th time it just locked up
23:56:17amiconnNo paperclip required on X5 though
23:56:18peturamiconn: I started pressing left after the 4th loop

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