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| 00:55:26 | corecode | hey yo |
| 00:55:50 | corecode | i'd like to know how the status of the archos gmini port is |
| 00:55:55 | JdGordon | dead |
| 00:55:55 | AidyMole | does rockbox build with gcc 4.1.1 yet? |
| 00:56:02 | corecode | seems it's dead since over a year |
| 00:56:16 | JdGordon | it was removd from cvs recently |
| 00:56:20 | corecode | uh |
| 00:56:21 | JdGordon | so its completly dead |
| 00:56:21 | corecode | :/ |
| 00:56:24 | corecode | sad |
| 00:56:39 | corecode | the xs202 is such a nice and cheap player |
| 00:57:27 | corecode | what was the holdup? |
| 00:57:37 | corecode | nobody working on it? |
| 00:57:43 | corecode | or, too complicated? |
| 00:58:01 | JdGordon | i think none of the current devs had the target |
| 00:58:09 | AidyMole | hey um I don't need g++ to compile rockbox right |
| 00:58:16 | n1s | gcc |
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| 00:58:49 | corecode | so what's the advice which player to get? sadly barely any supports ogg |
| 00:59:03 | AidyMole | iaudio \o/ |
| 00:59:07 | JdGordon | the x5 is the current "best" iirc |
| 00:59:38 | n1s | AidyMole: look here for more info on setting up a build environment http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide#Setup_Your_Environment |
| 00:59:51 | AidyMole | n1s: i'm on that |
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| 01:00:09 | AidyMole | but gentoo has a cross compiling toolchain creation utility |
| 01:01:16 | corecode | but it seems that the "hard" part was already done |
| 01:01:36 | JdGordon | corecode: if noeone has one, no work can be done |
| 01:01:43 | corecode | yah |
| 01:01:46 | corecode | i'd get one |
| 01:01:54 | corecode | and i would see how i can tackle with it |
| 01:01:59 | JdGordon | the code was removed in a way it is relativly easy to put back in if the port got restatred |
| 01:02:09 | corecode | cvs rm i guess |
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| 01:03:48 | corecode | i wonder if there is a reason that the manufaturers don't publish information |
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| 01:04:14 | JdGordon | so people dont rip off ther designs |
| 01:04:21 | corecode | mh |
| 01:04:49 | corecode | i mean, not that i insist on rockbox, it would just be nice to be able to play oggs |
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| 01:07:35 | corecode | __asm__ volatile ("nop"); |
| 01:07:47 | corecode | is "nop" a standardized opcode for all architectures? |
| 01:08:59 | corecode | sad that i don't have experience with embedded systems |
| 01:09:12 | corecode | seems you don't use interrupts to read the hard disk |
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| 01:44:30 | Membrillo | anyone out there know anything about gigabeat status? |
| 01:45:54 | JdGordon | its moving sowly |
| 01:46:16 | Membrillo | hmmm |
| 01:46:31 | Membrillo | im in the market for a new DAP is all, and the gigabeat X's look snazzy |
| 01:47:19 | Membrillo | rockbox provides UMS music transfers on all platforms doesnt it? |
| 01:47:25 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 01:48:29 | Membrillo | nice... thats the main for me... dont particularly want another h300 or ipod... |
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| 01:54:07 | Membrillo | do you or anyone possibly reading know if the gigabeat has UMS music transfer on its original firmware? |
| 01:54:27 | JdGordon | im sure someon knows.... i doubt it |
| 01:56:09 | corecode | what's UMS? |
| 01:56:19 | corecode | like zune? |
| 01:56:43 | JdGordon | ums = universal mass storage |
| 01:56:50 | JdGordon | like regular usb drives |
| 01:56:51 | corecode | ah |
| 01:57:10 | corecode | how everything should be done |
| 01:57:21 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 01:58:12 | Membrillo | god i hate transfering music across through programs like itunes... and organizing your files by ID3 tags |
| 01:58:22 | Membrillo | nasty with compilation cds etc |
| 01:59:34 | corecode | fortunately itunes can handle this pretty well |
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| 02:02:47 | Membrillo | im not a fan of itunes at all sorry... |
| 02:03:21 | Membrillo | like organizing me music myself with good old files and folders |
| 02:03:25 | Membrillo | my* |
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| 02:26:39 | MrStaticVoid | a few months back, i was able to create an ipod bootloader without the apple firmware. |
| 02:26:55 | MrStaticVoid | i seem to remember creating a dummy file for the ipod_fw command |
| 02:27:11 | MrStaticVoid | i need to do it again, but it keeps on failing to boot |
| 02:27:34 | MrStaticVoid | does anyone rememeber how to do this? |
| 02:27:47 | obo | I seem to remember that the dummy file needed to be a minimum size - 512 bytes? |
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| 02:28:53 | MrStaticVoid | yes, ive tried that. |
| 02:29:01 | MrStaticVoid | without luck. |
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| 03:03:43 | Voriel | Hi. I'm a newbie to Rockbox, and am visually impaired. I wondered if someone would be willing to help me with a problem I'm having trying to make the latest Rockbox daily build speak my directory/filenames as mp3 clips on my Ipod color/photo. I used the Voicebox script, and it appears to have made the *.talk directories, but it won't read them as words, just as numbers or spelling. Can anyone offer any help? |
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| 04:12:18 | yewei | anyone know the status of the "Dual Boot on Sansa e200"? |
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| 04:20:57 | SimonSelki | Soap, are you there? |
| 04:21:08 | Soap | yoyoyo |
| 04:22:55 | SimonSelki | Aight, I still don't know why it didn't have tags |
| 04:23:14 | SimonSelki | what I just did was transfer all the id3v1.1 tags to id3v2 and it worked |
| 04:23:21 | SimonSelki | they are all showing up right |
| 04:23:29 | SimonSelki | but it was a peculiar situation |
| 04:23:38 | SimonSelki | I have it plugged in right now |
| 04:23:51 | Soap | doesn't sound like a Rockbox issue, though. |
| 04:23:58 | Soap | What tagger are you using? |
| 04:24:15 | SimonSelki | MP3 Tag Tools v1.2 |
| 04:24:26 | SimonSelki | It's a simple proggie that lets me mass tag |
| 04:24:37 | SimonSelki | er, how can I listen to my iPod while I have it plugged in? |
| 04:25:12 | Soap | A - you really really need to read, at least browse, the maual. |
| 04:25:23 | SimonSelki | I did, several times |
| 04:25:28 | Soap | B - eject, disconnect, an let the ipod reboot,. |
| 04:25:49 | Soap | C - once you are safely in Rockbox, press and hold the "menu" key while inserting the USB cable. |
| 04:26:08 | SimonSelki | I was flipping through just now, I know I saw the answer in the FAQ for sure |
| 04:26:33 | Soap | iPod Rockbox has no USB mode of its own, when it detects a USB connection it reboots into Apple's Disk Mode. |
| 04:26:58 | SimonSelki | Thanks, there's a lot of little..... wait, really? |
| 04:27:11 | Soap | really what? |
| 04:27:17 | SimonSelki | so, I can't..... will..... hold on one sec |
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| 04:27:35 | haywire | i need help |
| 04:27:36 | haywire | !! |
| 04:27:46 | SimonSelki | It's still charging? |
| 04:27:59 | haywire | anyone here good with installing rockbox on 5g video |
| 04:28:03 | SimonSelki | This guy is more urgent I guess |
| 04:28:03 | Soap | very slowly SimonSelki. |
| 04:28:04 | haywire | ive been struggling for hours |
| 04:28:19 | SimonSelki | Thank you once again soap |
| 04:28:35 | Soap | haywire: Start by detailing what steps you have taken, what error messages you are getting. Details details details. |
| 04:28:43 | SimonSelki | It's fully charged, I just don't like wasting the battery |
| 04:29:23 | Soap | more likely than not, SimonSelki, your ipod will actually lose charge when running rockbox while plugged into USB. |
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| 04:29:50 | haywire | well i went through alot of installation helps. i searched forums at ipodhacks.com. i did everything perfectly and at the end when i have to disconnect my usb from my ipod an error message with a white background comes out saying: Use itunes to restore (also in other languages) |
| 04:30:10 | Soap | Then you didn't do everything perfectly. |
| 04:30:45 | Soap | do you still have your original, untouched bootloader.bin file? |
| 04:30:45 | haywire | is it necessary to use the cmd prompt to install rockbox |
| 04:30:50 | haywire | i deleted everything |
| 04:30:53 | haywire | im starting over |
| 04:30:56 | Soap | The only method I am familiar with is from the command prompt. |
| 04:30:56 | haywire | :O |
| 04:31:07 | haywire | oh okay. |
| 04:31:18 | Elara | Anyone willing to help a Rockbox newbie with, what I'm sure are, some stupid questions? |
| 04:31:18 | haywire | ive been reading u can do it without the cmd prompt |
| 04:31:25 | Soap | How are you going to start over? Are you going to let itunes wipe your ipod? Or are you going to write back the bootloader.bin file you originally extracted? |
| 04:31:33 | Soap | Elara: ask. |
| 04:31:41 | SimonSelki | I'll help if I can |
| 04:31:42 | haywire | i first let itunes wipe out my ipod. |
| 04:31:47 | haywire | and i deleted everything |
| 04:32:11 | haywire | i have just reinstalled the bootloader bin |
| 04:32:38 | Soap | reboot, haywire, what do you get? |
| 04:32:46 | haywire | my ipod? |
| 04:33:12 | Soap | yes, reboot your ipod. |
| 04:33:14 | myzar | hm. |
| 04:33:17 | myzar | any progress on 80 gigs? |
| 04:33:25 | Soap | now that you have reinstalled your original bootloader.bin. |
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| 04:33:45 | Soap | myzar: not to the best of my knowledge, check the New Ports forum |
| 04:33:50 | haywire | well the reboot is fine now because i already restored my ipod |
| 04:33:56 | haywire | it removed all my mp3s,mp4s |
| 04:34:03 | Elara | I'm using the 12/28/2006 daily build of Rockbox for my 60GB Ipod color photo. I'm visually impaired, so maybe I'm doing something wrong, or it's not reading something I need to do, but I'm trying to change my background and foreground colors, and can't get it to work. I get into where you can see/highlight the RGB settings, but it won't let me change them. |
| 04:34:18 | Soap | ahh, so you didn't manually replace the one file, you let itunes wipe and reinstall the hard way. |
| 04:34:27 | haywire | nope |
| 04:34:30 | haywire | yeah |
| 04:34:32 | haywire | hah |
| 04:35:12 | haywire | this is the bootloader im using |
| 04:35:12 | haywire | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-video.bin |
| 04:35:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: You're following the install instructions from the Rockbox wiki? |
| 04:35:53 | Soap | Elara: I'm sorry, I don't have my ipod nearby, and I am not familiar enough with that part of the menu to walk you through it without having my ipod in hand. |
| 04:36:09 | haywire | im following these directions |
| 04:36:10 | haywire | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 04:36:28 | SimonSelki | Elara: From what I can tell, navigating in Rockbox can be fickle in some of the menues. Use the RWD and FFD buttons to change between R G and B |
| 04:36:41 | SimonSelki | and scroll to change the, |
| 04:36:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: And you get no error messages on any steps? |
| 04:36:44 | SimonSelki | *them |
| 04:36:52 | haywire | nope |
| 04:37:01 | Soap | haywire: let us follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation together. |
| 04:37:13 | SimonSelki | That's how it works on my Nano |
| 04:37:15 | haywire | okay |
| 04:37:16 | Soap | You tell me each command before you type it in, and I'll say yes or no. |
| 04:37:21 | haywire | okay |
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| 04:37:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: Finish the steps up to 5, and tell us the sizes of the apple_os.bin and broadcom bin files. |
| 04:37:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or, once you get there with Soap |
| 04:37:48 | Presence_ | anyone know what I need to do to get an ipod photo remote to work? |
| 04:37:56 | haywire | well first i made the folder in c: |
| 04:38:02 | haywire | c:\rockbox |
| 04:38:19 | Soap | Presence: use the stock firmware :( |
| 04:38:26 | Soap | haywire ok |
| 04:38:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Presence_: Spend a little time reverse engineering the protocol. |
| 04:38:30 | haywire | and put the files bootloader-video.bin , ipod_fw, ipodpatcher |
| 04:38:40 | Presence_ | so its not possible? Refuse to use stock, it doesnt bookmark mp3 |
| 04:38:42 | Soap | haywire: ok |
| 04:38:52 | haywire | ok in the cmdprompt |
| 04:38:56 | haywire | my ipod is located at: ipodpatcher 1 |
| 04:38:56 | Presence_ | paul: Well, I guess I could break out the oscope and probe |
| 04:39:03 | Soap | Presence_: It is possible, just not done yet. |
| 04:39:07 | Presence_ | but I know nothing of ipod electronics |
| 04:39:19 | Soap | Presence_: IpodLiniux has the protocol documented. |
| 04:39:24 | Presence_ | sure it is..I was just hoping it was already dont :) |
| 04:39:29 | haywire | ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin |
| 04:39:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Not fully, I don't believe. |
| 04:39:33 | Soap | good |
| 04:39:34 | haywire | thats what i should type in next right? |
| 04:39:40 | Soap | yes haywire |
| 04:40:02 | haywire | okay at the end it says done |
| 04:40:13 | haywire | now this |
| 04:40:14 | haywire | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 04:40:23 | Soap | yes |
| 04:40:24 | Elara | Thanks Soap and SimonSelki! My other problem is that I can't seem to get Rockbox to speak directory/file names. I ran the Voicebox script, and it appears to have put the *.talk files out there. I've selected talk .mp3 in the voice menu for both files and directories, but it still just reads folder numbers or spells, no matter how many reboots I do. I'm sure I screwed up somewhere. Does the Voicebox script not |
| 04:40:45 | haywire | ok it doesnt say anything after i type that |
| 04:40:53 | haywire | ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin |
| 04:40:56 | Presence_ | bbiab |
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| 04:41:07 | Soap | haywire: yes |
| 04:41:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Your message got cut off after "Does the Voicebox script not" because it was too long. |
| 04:41:41 | haywire | okay |
| 04:41:45 | haywire | it says nothing after that also |
| 04:41:45 | haywire | and now |
| 04:41:47 | haywire | ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin |
| 04:41:48 | haywire | ? |
| 04:41:52 | Elara | I just asked, "Does the Voicebox script not work with the Ipod color/photo?" |
| 04:41:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: You should check the .talk files, and make sure they are not 0 in size. In fact, if you rename them to .mp3, you should be able to play them in a standard mp3 player to make sure the files themselves are valid. It's possible for the script to fail to create valid files, depending on your computer. |
| 04:42:18 | Soap | haywire: yes |
| 04:42:48 | haywire | generating firmware image compatible with ipod video |
| 04:43:01 | haywire | and now |
| 04:43:04 | haywire | ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin |
| 04:43:07 | haywire | ? |
| 04:43:38 | Soap | might want to tell Paul_the_Nerd file sizes now, before you write back to the ipod. |
| 04:43:50 | haywire | the sizes of my files in rockbox |
| 04:44:03 | haywire | oh |
| 04:44:07 | haywire | appleosbin and droadcombin |
| 04:44:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: What size are the apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin |
| 04:44:08 | Soap | apple_os.bin ? |
| 04:44:49 | haywire | apple_os(file size: 7,327) |
| 04:45:06 | haywire | apple_sw_5g_rcsc size: 4,229 |
| 04:45:12 | Elara | Thanks Paul_The_Nerd. I'll check them. Should I run the script on the root directory of my Ipod? That's what I did. Plus, my Rockbox DB was created from initializing the iTunes/Ipod DB of the music I'd put on the player with iTunes. Could that potentially cause a problem? |
| 04:45:32 | Soap | wow, quite different from mine (relatively) |
| 04:45:37 | haywire | -_−− |
| 04:45:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Are you browsing in filetree mode, or database mode? Database mode doesn't use the talk files, I believe. |
| 04:45:40 | haywire | =( |
| 04:45:42 | Soap | must be the different version of Apple OS. |
| 04:45:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: Yeah, shouldn't they both be in the ~5mb to 5.5mb range? |
| 04:46:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: How old/new is your iPod, and what size disk is it? |
| 04:46:08 | Soap | I have 6.2 and 5 |
| 04:46:23 | haywire | i bought my ipod about 2 months ago 30gig |
| 04:46:26 | haywire | black video ipod |
| 04:46:32 | Soap | doh, it is a 5.5 G |
| 04:46:38 | haywire | oh |
| 04:46:38 | haywire | no. |
| 04:46:40 | haywire | !! |
| 04:46:42 | haywire | aww |
| 04:46:47 | haywire | how can u tell |
| 04:46:50 | haywire | if its a 5.5 |
| 04:46:53 | Soap | age |
| 04:47:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's very very likely a 5.5G, and the firmware sizes plus the problems you're having suggest it is. |
| 04:47:21 | Elara | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm in Database Mode. The install said to change my setting to that after installation/initialization so that I could browse/search by Artist, genre, etc. |
| 04:47:25 | Soap | I'm sorry, I brainfarted, I thought you had a 60 gig video. |
| 04:47:32 | haywire | oic |
| 04:48:08 | Soap | Good news is that Rockbox is working on the 30GB 5.5gen models. |
| 04:48:13 | | Part yewei |
| 04:48:15 | haywire | aww yess |
| 04:48:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Unfortunately, since the database mode isn't actually directly tied to the filetree, the .talk files aren't actually accessible to it, I believe. At least not at this time, it should be possible in the future. But as it is, if you used iTunes to copy the songs over, it renames the actual filenames anyway. |
| 04:48:20 | haywire | how |
| 04:48:21 | haywire | haha |
| 04:48:21 | Soap | there is a long and complicated forum thread on it in the new ports section. |
| 04:48:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: The .talk files will sound like gibberish even if they did work. |
| 04:48:36 | haywire | oh |
| 04:48:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: It's *mostly* working. It's still buggier than 5Gs. |
| 04:49:00 | Soap | Paul_the_Nerd: That was going to be the "bad news" |
| 04:49:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Heh |
| 04:49:09 | haywire | :O |
| 04:49:23 | haywire | actually my goal was to change my theme |
| 04:49:25 | haywire | of my opod |
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| 04:49:36 | haywire | ipod* |
| 04:50:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's probably not worth installing Rockbox just to reskin the iPod. |
| 04:50:08 | Soap | good news #2, haywire, is that you have proven yourself more albe to follow directions than some, and should have no problem reading the (boring) new ports thread on the 5.5G. |
| 04:50:24 | haywire | oh.. |
| 04:50:33 | haywire | thank you |
| 04:50:33 | haywire | haha |
| 04:50:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: Really, you just need to use a different bootloader.bin file, the installation is pretty much the same. |
| 04:51:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | You should find instructions in the 5.5G thread fairly quickly |
| 04:51:18 | haywire | i found it |
| 04:51:21 | haywire | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 |
| 04:51:25 | haywire | am i correct? |
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| 04:51:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 04:52:19 | haywire | okay |
| 04:52:25 | haywire | i think i can take it from here |
| 04:52:39 | Elara | Paul_The_Nerd: Is there anyway that I could remove all the songs that iTunes originally copied over to my iPod, and then re-transfer them without iTunes, so that they didn't get renamed? If I did, is it possible the talk .mp3 feature would work, or should I just leave it on Spell and brush up on my quick word deciphering skills?:-) |
| 04:52:42 | haywire | Thank you Soap and Paul_The_Nerd. Your help is greatly appreciated. |
| 04:52:50 | haywire | I will idle the channel if anything comes up. |
| 04:53:23 | Soap | Elara: that is /possible/ but difficult and limited. |
| 04:53:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Well, the talk feature requires that you're not using the database mode. Which means you'll have to have the file organized on the disk how you want them, so you'd have to create Artist and Album folders (or have a program do so). |
| 04:54:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Your best bet at this time is probably to stick with the spelling unless you're willing to spend some time making sure the files themselves are organized in an accessible manner. |
| 04:54:27 | SimonSelki | I just did that today, it was a hell of a mess |
| 04:54:37 | Soap | Elara: there is a program called "SharePod", which last time I ran it (about 6 months ago) worked perfectly. A little program which would copy all your music off you ipod, and save the songs in perfectly organized folders and track names based upon the tags. |
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| 04:55:19 | Soap | Elara: you could use that program to transfer off the music, and create a good folder structure all in one step, then copy the music back over, and use file tree mode instead of database mode. |
| 04:57:16 | | Part Soap |
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| 04:57:59 | haywire | Paul_The_Nerd: The ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw |
| 04:58:46 | Elara | Well, iTunes has everything organized fairly well, and I'm not referring to inside iTunes. If I go into Windows Explorer, and look at the directory where iTunes, if I were to load it, would pull from, that directory in Windows Explorer is organized by artist, then by album, then by track. Could I just grab that organized directory, NOT using iTunes, and do it that way? |
| 04:59:50 | Soap | Elara: sure |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:05 | Soap | Elara: now I feel silly, didn't mean to make an easy task hard. |
| 05:00:40 | haywire | The ipod_fw5.5 download link on that forum doesnt work but the other 2 files do. Should i just use my old ipod_fw |
| 05:00:41 | haywire | =) |
| 05:01:20 | Elara | LOL I didn't even know if it would work. I'm a noob here. Heck, I don't even know how to remove all the old iTunes copied songs off my Ipod and put the new, non-iTunes stuff on! |
| 05:02:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:03:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: See if there's another one later in the thread, but I'm not *wholly* sure it's necessary |
| 05:04:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: Unfortunately, I'm not wholly sure it's unnecessary either. |
| 05:04:13 | haywire | lol |
| 05:04:15 | haywire | its kool |
| 05:05:53 | haywire | Ah Ha. I found it. You sir are a genius |
| 05:06:08 | Elara | Thanks for the help everyone. I'm off to see if I can implement any of this. Wish me luck! (I'll probably need it. *GRIN*) |
| 05:06:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Elara: Good luck. |
| 05:06:44 | SimonSelki | YEah |
| 05:06:48 | SimonSelki | BEst |
| 05:07:15 | Elara | *WAVES* |
| 05:07:32 | SimonSelki | Okay, so... |
| 05:07:43 | | Part Elara |
| 05:07:56 | SimonSelki | patches and plugins |
| 05:08:06 | SimonSelki | they look extremely difficult |
| 05:08:14 | SimonSelki | I'm not a programmer by any means |
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| 05:12:43 | haywire | Could not open firmware image file bootpartition.bin |
| 05:12:47 | haywire | How can that be |
| 05:12:58 | haywire | after this command: |
| 05:13:10 | haywire | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
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| 05:14:06 | haywire | oh okay i fixed it |
| 05:14:08 | haywire | =) |
| 05:15:38 | SimonSelki | How are patches and plugins handled? |
| 05:16:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: That's not a very specific question. |
| 05:16:23 | SimonSelki | I heard someone say I have to ReMerge the files with... |
| 05:16:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Patches and plugins are two drastically different things. |
| 05:16:26 | SimonSelki | yeah... sorry |
| 05:16:32 | SimonSelki | are they? |
| 05:16:34 | SimonSelki | shoot |
| 05:16:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Patches are text files containing changes to the source code. You apply a patch to the source code. |
| 05:16:51 | SimonSelki | Aha |
| 05:17:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Plugins are compiled files that all share the same memory, only one is loaded at a time... some example plugins would be the text viewer, or doom. |
| 05:17:32 | SimonSelki | ah, ah, okay |
| 05:17:34 | SimonSelki | I see |
| 05:17:37 | SimonSelki | great |
| 05:17:58 | SimonSelki | can put a plugin in the plugins folder? |
| 05:18:03 | SimonSelki | no installing or anything? |
| 05:18:11 | SimonSelki | or do I have to initialize |
| 05:18:47 | haywire | THANK YOU GOD! I got rockbox working on my 5.5g. Now, to the skin. |
| 05:18:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | A plugin has to be compiled to the same version of Rockbox as you're currently running. |
| 05:19:25 | SimonSelki | ...com.... compiled? |
| 05:19:57 | SimonSelki | haywire: congrats man. It's a good feeling, I know it |
| 05:20:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | When you make the .rock file, it has to be made for a specific type of Rockbox (iPod 5G, H120, or whatnot) plus it has to be within a certain time period, or the plugin version will have changed and it won't work. |
| 05:21:41 | SimonSelki | That sounds pretty complicated.... I looked at the working with patches, and it wasn't to descript |
| 05:21:53 | SimonSelki | okay, I had a different situation when I installed rockbox |
| 05:21:58 | SimonSelki | like, a-typical |
| 05:22:06 | SimonSelki | I'm not running windows XP |
| 05:22:27 | SimonSelki | I had to do the first part... the MS-DOS part at a friends house |
| 05:22:36 | haywire | Paul_The_Nerd: Do i download themes to my rockbox and will it just upload it? |
| 05:22:42 | SimonSelki | no |
| 05:22:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | haywire: I suggest at this point reading the manual |
| 05:23:27 | SimonSelki | You have to extract the individual files to their respective parts in the .rockbox file |
| 05:23:41 | SimonSelki | Folder I mean, .rockbox folder |
| 05:24:18 | SimonSelki | okay, I had to do the MS-DOS part on a friends computer because ipodpatcher would not work on '98 |
| 05:24:54 | SimonSelki | will I still be able to patch, or am I going to need to use that friends computer everytime I want to update? |
| 05:25:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | To update you just extract the newest rockbox.zip and copy the contents over. |
| 05:25:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | No special programs/tools required |
| 05:25:47 | SimonSelki | nice |
| 05:26:08 | SimonSelki | and to add plugins and patches? |
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| 05:26:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Patches require you learning how to compile |
| 05:27:11 | SimonSelki | Where can I get info on that? |
| 05:27:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Plugins, in most cases, will too, unless they come with a build of their own. |
| 05:27:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 05:27:45 | SimonSelki | sure thing man |
| 05:27:48 | SimonSelki | I'm so eager to learn |
| 05:34:38 | SimonSelki | okay okay |
| 05:34:58 | SimonSelki | so compiling doesn't reqiure me to change the bootlog? |
| 05:35:09 | SimonSelki | like, I may never have to do that again, right? |
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| 05:43:07 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: sholdnt all the rec_* settings in global_settings be ifdef-out-able on HAVE_RECORDING? |
| 05:44:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: The bootloader *shouldn't* need to be changed out unless there's a significant change in the way booting happens. |
| 05:44:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | It may need to be changed for dual processor support, for example |
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| 05:46:33 | unleet | I need a modification to RockBox for my H10 20gb. Any takers? |
| 05:46:47 | unleet | Only small mod. |
| 05:53:40 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I think the whole global_setting needs proper #ifdef-ing. There's lot of stuff not #ifdef-ed out when the member isn't used. Should just follow the settings really. |
| 05:54:15 | JdGordon | yeah, I noticed that, bit of work for anyone that is game |
| 05:54:39 | JdGordon | can I assume all th recording settings are correct in the new patch? |
| 05:55:15 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I did add the AIFF encoding but that should be pretty easy to drop into the new scheme. |
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| 05:56:31 | jhMikeS | atm I'm working on making the recording buttons petur-mash-proof on the pcm_record end anyway |
| 05:57:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | So that really strange combinations of presses don't kill everything? |
| 05:57:26 | jhMikeS | They really shouldn't have but the pcmrec thread will do everything so it is serialized |
| 05:59:01 | jhMikeS | If it still does, something else in another place is insane |
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| 06:00 |
| 06:00:21 | SimonSelki | okay okay okay |
| 06:00:50 | SimonSelki | I should be able to compile then |
| 06:01:00 | SimonSelki | but if this is how you add patches |
| 06:01:00 | daurn | ... |
| 06:01:05 | daurn | i'm talking to this guy |
| 06:01:08 | SimonSelki | then everytime you update |
| 06:01:23 | daurn | who thinks 256 mp3 is higher quality than lossless |
| 06:01:26 | SimonSelki | your patches will be removed, right? |
| 06:01:33 | SimonSelki | not me |
| 06:01:36 | SimonSelki | That's why it's called lossless |
| 06:01:43 | daurn | i've explained that |
| 06:01:52 | SimonSelki | hah |
| 06:02:01 | daurn | [15:55:51] <daurnimator> - when you convert around mp3 etc, info is lost |
| 06:02:01 | daurn | [15:57:49] <Noowb> mate it's fine by the time it's all processed to come out the speakers the quality is higher than CD anyways |
| 06:02:01 | daurn | [15:58:49] <daurnimator> ... |
| 06:02:01 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK daurn |
| 06:02:01 | daurn | [15:58:52] <daurnimator> thats impossible |
| 06:02:02 | daurn | [15:59:10] <Noowb> no it's not |
| 06:02:02 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 06:02:02 | daurn | [15:59:18] <Noowb> not when you know how to do it |
| 06:02:04 | SimonSelki | well, the file sizes are a lot larger |
| 06:02:09 | SimonSelki | that should be enough |
| 06:02:27 | SimonSelki | hahahaha |
| 06:02:46 | SimonSelki | Okay, I think maybe this guy has never heard real music |
| 06:02:57 | SimonSelki | and, like people who watch too much TV |
| 06:03:12 | daurn | [15:59:54] <daurnimator> you LOOSE quality when you convert to anything but lossless |
| 06:03:13 | daurn | [15:59:58] <daurnimator> it can NEVER be regained |
| 06:03:13 | daurn | [16:00:30] <Noowb> if you wish to believe that go ahead, i wont force my experience onto you |
| 06:03:30 | JdGordon | haha |
| 06:03:52 | SimonSelki | they think that the images on TV look more realistic than the images taken by better cameras |
| 06:04:00 | SimonSelki | hahahaha |
| 06:04:02 | SimonSelki | that's so rediculous |
| 06:04:05 | SimonSelki | Man |
| 06:04:10 | SimonSelki | Can Rockbox read flacs? |
| 06:04:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think he's confusing "I like it better" with "Objectively better" |
| 06:04:16 | SimonSelki | yeah |
| 06:04:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox supports FLAC. |
| 06:04:23 | SimonSelki | !!!! |
| 06:04:30 | SimonSelki | AHG! |
| 06:04:30 | SimonSelki | Man |
| 06:04:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:04:33 | * | Paul_the_Nerd strongly suggests a glance at the manual. |
| 06:04:39 | SimonSelki | This thing keeps getting better and better |
| 06:04:41 | SimonSelki | yeah |
| 06:04:44 | SimonSelki | I know |
| 06:04:50 | SimonSelki | I guess I skimmed |
| 06:04:58 | SimonSelki | or maybe I just didn't believe it when I read it |
| 06:05:10 | daurn | Paul_the_Nerd: does rockbox support wavpack hybrid? |
| 06:05:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | daurn: No, wavpack lossy or lossless, but not hybrid mode. |
| 06:05:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | It'll just play the lossy file. |
| 06:06:22 | daurn | could that be.... fixed? |
| 06:06:32 | JdGordon | daurn: anything can be |
| 06:06:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's in the "Not easy(TM)" category though |
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| 06:07:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or wavpack support was mostly implement by David Bryant, and he's pretty much said it's unlikely to happen. |
| 06:07:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | *Our |
| 06:08:29 | SimonSelki | Okay, I was right about compiling though? |
| 06:08:42 | SimonSelki | If I update, all the patches I have installed will be wiped? |
| 06:09:11 | JdGordon | no |
| 06:09:12 | markun | JdGordon: hey, gigabeat progress isn't going *that* slowly :) |
| 06:09:21 | JdGordon | markun: :) great |
| 06:09:30 | JdGordon | I just use slowly as the default answer :D |
| 06:10:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: If you overwrite your build with an unpatched build, yes, they'll be gone. But if you use CVS properly, you'll be compiling patched builds every time, anyway |
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| 06:10:32 | markun | hi Membrillo |
| 06:10:56 | markun | just buy the Gigabeat X, the port is nearing completion |
| 06:11:04 | SimonSelki | I thought so, this just means that I need to keep all the patches I install, so I can put them into the next update |
| 06:11:05 | * | jhMikeS thinks he got his first ever recording skip but isn't sure cause radio broadcasts can be glitchy at the source *investigating* |
| 06:11:25 | JdGordon | umm.. congrats jhMikeS :D |
| 06:11:55 | markun | Membrillo: the original firmware does have UMS mode, but will not play any songs transfered in that mode ;) |
| 06:11:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: If you use CVS right, you don't have to reuse the patches. |
| 06:12:03 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 06:12:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: It'll automatically merge the patches you've installed with the newer sourcecode when you tell it to update, then you run the compile command again, and that's that. |
| 06:12:46 | Membrillo | ahhh thanks |
| 06:12:51 | SimonSelki | I read that CVS was lesser suggested |
| 06:12:56 | Membrillo | gotcha... so like the ipod UMS mode |
| 06:12:57 | SimonSelki | than the Daily Build |
| 06:13:17 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I've had false alarms from naughty words being censored before |
| 06:13:20 | Membrillo | so the gigabeat build is being worked on? |
| 06:13:23 | JdGordon | SimonSelki: paul means if you update your source and compile it youself you wont have to reapply patches |
| 06:13:43 | JdGordon | but if there are conflicts then you will have _fun_ fixing them |
| 06:13:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: Well, I'm referring to the tool CVS, not the "CVS builds", but I'm curious who told you CVS was lesser suggested. |
| 06:14:00 | markun | Membrillo: yes, all the time. But we work on a seperate tree which we will merge back soon. |
| 06:14:02 | SimonSelki | That's what I thought, I'm not all down with the lingo here |
| 06:14:07 | SimonSelki | I read it in a few places |
| 06:14:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: We generally try to make sure people know that the Daily Build is just a CVS build from a certain time each day. They really simply exist as an archive. |
| 06:14:21 | SimonSelki | including the highly referred to manual |
| 06:14:26 | markun | Membrillo: visit #gigabeat some time for more info |
| 06:14:30 | SimonSelki | ah |
| 06:14:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: Could you point out where in the manual it says you should use the Daily over the CVS? |
| 06:14:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'd be awful surprised if it says that |
| 06:14:50 | SimonSelki | Yeah |
| 06:14:55 | Membrillo | oh ok, will do... thanks |
| 06:15:14 | Membrillo | would you advise buying a gigabeat? good dap? |
| 06:15:23 | Membrillo | does it have line in recording? |
| 06:15:27 | markun | no |
| 06:15:31 | markun | and no radio |
| 06:15:53 | SimonSelki | one more question if that's alright |
| 06:16:07 | Membrillo | dang... thats a bit rough... not much has line in these days though i guess |
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| 06:16:13 | SimonSelki | I'm on the Patches page right now. Why are some showing as pink and others kinda beige? |
| 06:16:24 | markun | Membrillo: it doesn't record at all |
| 06:16:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | SimonSelki: That pretty much depends on what people have set the severity at. |
| 06:16:52 | Membrillo | yeah fair enough... so what does it have on its positive side? |
| 06:17:22 | jhMikeS | looks like a bad edit on the stations part :\ |
| 06:17:35 | markun | very nice 320x240 color screen + 300MHz ARM9 |
| 06:18:27 | SimonSelki | Ah, I see |
| 06:18:48 | SimonSelki | I was hoping it had to do with whether or not the patches could still be used or not |
| 06:19:21 | SimonSelki | since the files that the patches modify get updated, they do stop working after some time, right? |
| 06:19:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 06:19:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | In fact, I'd say the vast majority of patches on there will require at least some tinkering to get them working |
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| 06:20:24 | SimonSelki | damn damn |
| 06:20:55 | SimonSelki | okay, this was all I could find on the website |
| 06:20:57 | SimonSelki | er |
| 06:21:00 | SimonSelki | manual I mean |
| 06:21:07 | SimonSelki | It was also somewhere else |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there |
| 06:21:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK SimonSelki |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | the code that developers just checked in. |
| 06:21:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 06:21:36 | SimonSelki | CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions |
| 06:21:38 | SimonSelki | System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes |
| 06:21:40 | SimonSelki | to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there |
| 06:21:42 | SimonSelki | is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test |
| 06:21:44 | SimonSelki | CVS Build (formerly, “Bleeding Edge Build.”) CVS stands for “Concurrent Versions |
| 06:21:46 | SimonSelki | System.” CVS is the system that Rockbox developers use to keep track of changes |
| 06:21:48 | SimonSelki | to the Rockbox source code. CVS builds are made automatically every time there |
| 06:21:50 | SimonSelki | is a change to the Rockbox source. These builds are for people who want to test |
| 06:21:53 | SimonSelki | the code that developers just checked in. |
| 06:21:54 | SimonSelki | erm |
| 06:21:56 | SimonSelki | The last few lines mean not me |
| 06:22:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is there some reason you pasted it several times? |
| 06:22:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | And none of that says anything about the daily builds being better |
| 06:22:50 | SimonSelki | did I? |
| 06:22:53 | SimonSelki | If you are new to Rockbox I would recommend downloading the Daily Build, because the Bleeding Edge build could contain bugs that the Developers are not aware of yet. |
| 06:23:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's not from the manual. |
| 06:23:11 | SimonSelki | right |
| 06:23:15 | SimonSelki | you were right |
| 06:23:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | As well, whoever said that doesn't know what they're talking about. |
| 06:23:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | The daily build is *exactly* the same as the last CVS build before a certain time. |
| 06:23:32 | SimonSelki | I read those two things and I guess summerized em both |
| 06:23:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | The daily build is a CVS build that is made once a day, as opposed to every update. |
| 06:24:02 | SimonSelki | Hmm |
| 06:24:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which means that the bugs in the daily build are there for 24 hours, whereas major bugs that make it into CVS builds are usually gone by the next one. |
| 06:24:14 | SimonSelki | huh |
| 06:24:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which, if the bug was triggered by a typo, can be less than 10 minutes |
| 06:24:19 | SimonSelki | Man |
| 06:24:20 | SimonSelki | Cool |
| 06:24:35 | SimonSelki | Thanks for clearing that up for me |
| 06:25:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | The only reason not to use a CVS build is if there's a specific bug in the current one, and you want to use a daily build from before that bug was introduced, really. |
| 06:26:10 | SimonSelki | I see |
| 06:26:30 | SimonSelki | Okay, I'm going to try to install Cygwin |
| 06:26:45 | SimonSelki | but before I do,... |
| 06:27:14 | SimonSelki | Is it even going to be worth it if I can't use the patch? |
| 06:27:44 | SimonSelki | I mean, if the patch doesn't work anymore |
| 06:28:04 | SimonSelki | the particular patch I was looking at has like 7 files up to download, I have no idea where to start |
| 06:28:19 | JdGordon | what patch? |
| 06:29:37 | SimonSelki | It's the one that allows you to edit tags |
| 06:29:38 | SimonSelki | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1008 |
| 06:29:45 | SimonSelki | something I would love to do |
| 06:29:59 | SimonSelki | I also need the one for iPod Batter Guage |
| 06:31:11 | SimonSelki | ah, nevermind |
| 06:31:16 | SimonSelki | it says it doesn't apply |
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| 06:59:09 | HugoChavez | installing rockbox on my ipod video, but it says this after compiling the firmware image |
| 06:59:12 | HugoChavez | "Generating firmware image compatible with iPod mini, 4g and iPod photo/color..." |
| 06:59:28 | HugoChavez | should it do that? and not say it's compatible with 5g/video? |
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| 07:38:02 | retry | greetings |
| 07:38:22 | retry | my friend is attempting to use ipodcatcher to probe for his ipod on a windows2k machine |
| 07:38:25 | retry | but he just gets errors |
| 07:38:48 | retry | Error reading disk gemoetry: Incorrect function. |
| 07:38:57 | retry | Error reading disk gemoetry: The network request is not supported. |
| 07:39:06 | retry | Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified |
| 07:39:29 | retry | that last one continues ever after |
| 07:39:41 | retry | anybody have any ideas? |
| 07:39:56 | retry | not getting any results from the forums really |
| 07:44:44 | jrockway | does he get those errors when the ipod's not attached? |
| 07:46:19 | retry | not sure |
| 07:46:22 | retry | I'll ask him |
| 07:46:59 | retry | I wish I could do this directly myself |
| 07:47:06 | retry | but it's his ipod and we're in different states |
| 07:47:51 | retry | let's assume the errors are the same with the ipod not attached |
| 07:47:55 | retry | what would this imply? |
| 07:48:03 | retry | that ipodcatcher can't find the player connected? |
| 07:48:14 | retry | how would that be corrected then? |
| 07:49:03 | retry | the answer was yes |
| 07:49:08 | retry | same errors disconnected |
| 07:49:23 | retry | manual disk mode might be worth a shot huh? |
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| 07:51:54 | retry | ok he tried to manually set it to disk mode |
| 07:51:58 | retry | and that didn't seem to help any |
| 07:52:04 | retry | any more ideas? |
| 07:52:13 | retry | this is a 1st gen nano btw |
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| 08:13:45 | jrockway | well, it means ipodcatcher is hosed then |
| 08:13:52 | jrockway | it's getting stuck on other hardware or something |
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| 08:25:13 | retry | hmm |
| 08:25:26 | retry | seems unlikely since you specify the usb device to check as an arg |
| 08:25:44 | retry | i think he's probably failing to get the thing into disk mode or something |
| 08:25:54 | JdGordon | win2k... could be a permissions issue |
| 08:28:53 | retry | hmm |
| 08:29:00 | retry | i think he's running as an administrator |
| 08:29:16 | retry | Ill ask |
| 08:29:23 | retry | it's a worthy checking point |
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| 08:35:20 | firenx | hey is there a good way to wipe your ipod and start from scratch? |
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| 08:41:13 | retry | hammer and $200 |
| 08:41:21 | retry | doesn't get more scratch then that |
| 08:41:23 | retry | hehe |
| 08:41:24 | retry | laters |
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| 09:02:45 | monk | having problems installing the bootloader to a 1st gen nano. can anyone help me troubleshoot? :) |
| 09:07:36 | daky | good morning :D |
| 09:08:35 | Phoenix7477 | i can give it a shot, i have a 1st gen nano myself |
| 09:11:11 | monk | excellent, thanks. |
| 09:11:48 | monk | i downloaded the faq, which directed me to the required downloads, got those. |
| 09:12:17 | monk | hooked up my nano, tried to run ipodpatcher and got a series of errors. |
| 09:12:52 | Phoenix7477 | your running windows? and which errors in perticular? |
| 09:12:54 | monk | Error reading disk geometry: Incorrect function. |
| 09:12:58 | monk | yea, 2k. |
| 09:12:59 | Phoenix7477 | hmm |
| 09:13:14 | monk | i followed the directions to put the ipod into drive mode |
| 09:13:22 | monk | and now it's completely responsive |
| 09:13:28 | monk | the apple logo slowly blinks |
| 09:13:38 | monk | i've tried resetting |
| 09:13:49 | monk | it doesn't register as a drive |
| 09:13:52 | Phoenix7477 | hmm |
| 09:13:57 | monk | i.e., i can't access it |
| 09:14:05 | Phoenix7477 | sounds like the partition got clobbered somehow |
| 09:14:32 | Phoenix7477 | have you tried restoring the ipod with itunes or the equivilant apple updater? |
| 09:15:26 | Phoenix7477 | also, what exactly did you do when trying to install rockbox? |
| 09:15:30 | monk | well, that's my next question. is it possible to restore it without itunes. i, er, prematurely uninstalled it. i was optimistic about rockbox. :/ |
| 09:15:49 | monk | i unpacked the zip file on my C: drive |
| 09:16:06 | monk | i then downloaded the files mentioned in the manual |
| 09:16:09 | Phoenix7477 | should be able to restore it if you followed the right commands |
| 09:16:17 | monk | and tried to run ipodpatcher |
| 09:16:20 | Phoenix7477 | you have bootpartition.bin? |
| 09:16:51 | monk | no.. i have a bootloader-nano.bin |
| 09:18:32 | Phoenix7477 | hmm |
| 09:19:06 | Phoenix7477 | which manual were you looking at? mine says you need to extract bootpartition.bin to get working firmware |
| 09:19:09 | monk | i'm basically following the manueal directions beginning with installing the bootloader |
| 09:19:23 | monk | i've tried all of those steps up to running ipodpatcher |
| 09:20:00 | monk | rockbox-ipodnano-20061210.pdf |
| 09:20:54 | Phoenix7477 | ok |
| 09:21:06 | Phoenix7477 | so you ran ipotpatcher and found the correct number to access the ipod |
| 09:21:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 09:21:21 | * | Phoenix7477 is just going to step through them with you to find out where it failed |
| 09:21:24 | monk | no.. i ran ipodpatcher and i got the error i pasted earlier. |
| 09:21:53 | Phoenix7477 | ipodpatcher 0? |
| 09:22:07 | monk | i tried ipodpatcher 0-5 |
| 09:22:18 | monk | i received a total of 3 errors |
| 09:22:27 | monk | sec, i'll paste the other two. |
| 09:22:32 | Phoenix7477 | k |
| 09:23:37 | monk | Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 09:23:43 | monk | i'm sorry, there were only two errors. |
| 09:23:49 | Phoenix7477 | ok |
| 09:23:52 | monk | the first one i posted and that one. |
| 09:23:58 | monk | in that order, beginning with 0 |
| 09:23:59 | Phoenix7477 | makes sense |
| 09:24:20 | Phoenix7477 | and one of them ended up giving you partition table information, like in the manual? |
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| 09:25:02 | monk | no, 0 gives me the first error and all subsequent numbers give me the latter message. |
| 09:25:11 | monk | and none of them seem to work |
| 09:25:18 | monk | i don't get anything that looks like the manual |
| 09:25:47 | Phoenix7477 | when you unplug your ipod, it still works? |
| 09:26:23 | monk | it's unresponsive at the moment. the apple logo slowly blinks. |
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| 09:26:28 | monk | it does this whether i have it connected or not |
| 09:26:44 | monk | it didn't do this until i followed the directions for putting it into drive mode |
| 09:26:49 | Phoenix7477 | hmm |
| 09:27:00 | monk | i'm not certain how i borked it |
| 09:28:10 | Phoenix7477 | what exactly is drive mode? im not seeing it in the manual |
| 09:28:23 | monk | let me check, maybe i misspeak. |
| 09:29:56 | monk | ok, beginning of section 2: installation |
| 09:30:06 | monk | the entry for usb connection |
| 09:30:36 | Phoenix7477 | oh, ok |
| 09:30:41 | Phoenix7477 | i see what you mean |
| 09:31:06 | Phoenix7477 | try disconnecting it, and doing a reset. menu-select and see if it will boot up |
| 09:31:36 | monk | i've tried serveral resets |
| 09:31:54 | monk | either i'm making a dumb mistake or it's borked |
| 09:31:57 | Phoenix7477 | the apple logo just keeps blinking? |
| 09:32:01 | monk | yea |
| 09:32:05 | monk | i can make it turn off for a few seconds |
| 09:32:09 | monk | then it starts blinking again |
| 09:32:10 | Phoenix7477 | (sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a good idea of whats going on in my head) |
| 09:32:21 | monk | no, thanks for helping |
| 09:32:30 | monk | ask as many questions as is necessary |
| 09:32:33 | Phoenix7477 | cool |
| 09:32:53 | monk | let me try another reset. one moment. |
| 09:32:56 | Phoenix7477 | ok, so it was working, then you did ipodpatcher 0 through 5, and it started doing that? |
| 09:33:17 | monk | no, it started doing that when i tried to put it into drive mode. |
| 09:33:26 | monk | er |
| 09:33:27 | monk | yea |
| 09:33:40 | monk | i don't think the ipodcatcher did anything |
| 09:33:47 | monk | i just got failure and errors |
| 09:33:53 | monk | er |
| 09:33:57 | monk | ipodpatcher* :) |
| 09:34:03 | Phoenix7477 | yeah, it doesn't sound like ipodcatcher wrote anything, but its not working so umm lol |
| 09:34:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 09:36:11 | Phoenix7477 | ok, try power it down and powering it back on. press and hold play for about 5 seconds or so and it should power itself down |
| 09:36:18 | Phoenix7477 | then press select and it should boot back up again |
| 09:36:43 | monk | it refuses to power down |
| 09:37:05 | monk | it looks as if it's continuously resetting |
| 09:37:26 | Phoenix7477 | yeah, thats what im thinking |
| 09:37:45 | Phoenix7477 | it sounds like a bug in the apple firmware, but im not sure (don't work for apple) |
| 09:38:02 | Phoenix7477 | if nothing was written to it, then theres no reason why it should be doing that |
| 09:38:11 | Phoenix7477 | the buttons aren't stuck right? lol |
| 09:38:24 | monk | hah no :) |
| 09:38:28 | monk | hrm |
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| 09:39:34 | Phoenix7477 | need to find a way to power it off |
| 09:40:11 | * | Phoenix7477 checks apple docs |
| 09:40:33 | Phoenix7477 | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705 |
| 09:40:48 | * | monk checks |
| 09:41:09 | amiconn | monk: May it be that you have a charger connected when you try to power down? |
| 09:42:17 | monk | amiconn: i tried disconnecting it. still continuosly resets. |
| 09:42:23 | monk | i imagine if i let it run it would drain the battery |
| 09:42:44 | amiconn | The ipod won't power down with a charger or usb or firewire connected |
| 09:43:26 | monk | yea, it's sitting alone disconnected on my shelf. |
| 09:43:32 | monk | blinking merrily. |
| 09:43:40 | Phoenix7477 | ipod seizure heh |
| 09:43:51 | monk | it's throwing its own little rave |
| 09:44:04 | monk | i'm reconnecting it to save the battery |
| 09:45:06 | Phoenix7477 | did the apple doc help? |
| 09:46:26 | monk | reading |
| 09:48:37 | monk | yea, i tried the steps to reset it. |
| 09:48:42 | monk | it's unresonponsive |
| 09:48:56 | monk | i'm going to break down and reinstall itunes |
| 09:49:17 | monk | ugh what a pain in the ass |
| 09:49:21 | Phoenix7477 | worth a try |
| 09:49:22 | Phoenix7477 | also: |
| 09:49:24 | Phoenix7477 | http://weblogs.asp.net/lhunt/archive/2006/08/30/Fix-for-iPod-Nano-that-resets-over-and-over_2E002E002E00_.aspx |
| 09:49:36 | monk | oh now that looks promising |
| 09:49:48 | monk | brb |
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| 10:14:15 | monk | phoenix it worked :) |
| 10:14:20 | monk | at least it's no longer resetting |
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| 10:15:46 | monk | ah, now i'm getting three different errors when i run ipodpatcher.exe |
| 10:16:51 | monk | 1) Error reading disk geometry: Incorrect function 2) Error reading disk geometry: The network request is not supported 3) Error opening disk: The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 10:16:58 | monk | in that order from 0-2 |
| 10:17:53 | amiconn | This is ipodpatcher on win2k? |
| 10:18:33 | amiconn | Are you doing this under an account with admin rights? This is necessary for ipodpatcher. |
| 10:18:50 | monk | yea amiconn |
| 10:18:54 | monk | logged in as admin on 2k |
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| 10:28:10 | monk | i'm stumped |
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| 11:11:11 | Bertrix | hi |
| 11:12:09 | Gnelik | hi |
| 11:12:33 | * | linuxstb hopes monk returns... |
| 11:12:35 | Bertrix | sorry for the nooby question, ogg playback crashes on an iPod nano v1, what could cause this? |
| 11:12:51 | n1s | very old ogs |
| 11:12:55 | n1s | oggs |
| 11:12:57 | Bertrix | old? |
| 11:13:02 | Bertrix | just made them with oggenc? |
| 11:13:12 | linuxstb | Does _every_ ogg file crash? |
| 11:13:18 | Bertrix | yes, every file |
| 11:13:28 | linuxstb | With what error? |
| 11:13:30 | Bertrix | but i just made them in a batch process, so they are pretty much te same |
| 11:13:33 | Bertrix | hard crash |
| 11:13:40 | Bertrix | nu ero, backlight styays on and reboot needed |
| 11:14:14 | linuxstb | Do other types of music play OK? |
| 11:14:25 | Bertrix | wav and mp3 work fine |
| 11:14:50 | n1s | Bertrix: What version of oggenc do you use? |
| 11:14:53 | * | amiconn wonders whether it's possible to tag WAV files |
| 11:15:02 | amiconn | Some riff info chunk type, perhaps? |
| 11:15:28 | linuxstb | I've never heard of any WAV tagging system. |
| 11:15:40 | Bertrix | i selected a wav from file browser |
| 11:15:47 | Bertrix | oggenc version, 1 sec |
| 11:15:57 | Bertrix | OggEnc v1.0.2 |
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| 11:18:05 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't id3 supposed to be capable of tagging everything? |
| 11:18:09 | linuxstb | Bertrix: Two things to try first are: 1) Reset the settings in Rockbox (turn the hold switch on as Rockbox is booting); and 2) Delete the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file and unzip rockbox.zip again. |
| 11:18:11 | Genre9mp3 | id3v2 that is |
| 11:18:19 | Bertrix | i have already done that |
| 11:18:36 | Bertrix | even created a new filesystem on my nano, just to be sure everything was wiped |
| 11:19:32 | n1s | Bertrix: Try a newre version of oggenc from here http://www.rarewares.org/ogg.html |
| 11:20:02 | Bertrix | when i select the file, the playing screen comes up, all timers saying 0:00, headphones click, crashed |
| 11:20:08 | Bertrix | thanks nls, will take look |
| 11:20:26 | linuxstb | Bertrix: Is there anything unusual about the input files? (samplerate, mono, etc)? |
| 11:21:03 | Bertrix | first it were mp3's which lame recoded to wav, and then oggenc made to ogg, different sample rates, stereo/mono(most stereo, but mono crashes as well) |
| 11:21:08 | Bertrix | they all crash |
| 11:21:51 | linuxstb | You could also try an older version of Rockbox. Versions from the last 30 days are here: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodnano It would be useful to know which version broke it (assuming Rockbox could ever play your files). |
| 11:21:55 | linuxstb | So they're not 44.1KHz? |
| 11:22:42 | Bertrix | i'll try one which is |
| 11:23:22 | Bertrix | strange! |
| 11:23:27 | Bertrix | the 44.1 would play |
| 11:23:31 | Bertrix | and now they ALL play |
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| 11:25:19 | Bertrix | it seems fixed, even after a reboot |
| 11:25:21 | Bertrix | :?? |
| 11:25:29 | n1s | magic! |
| 11:25:34 | Bertrix | indeed |
| 11:25:35 | linuxstb | Odd... Try powering down. |
| 11:25:41 | Bertrix | i just did |
| 11:25:42 | Bertrix | still works |
| 11:26:16 | linuxstb | Bertrix: If you do work out how to recreate it, can you try Rockbox from 25th November? There were some changes to the resampling code on the 26th which may be the cause of the problems. |
| 11:26:45 | Bertrix | ok |
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| 11:38:04 | SimonSelki | Hey, is it only possible to tag Mp3s? |
| 11:38:16 | Bertrix | id3v2 can tag anything cant it? |
| 11:38:17 | n1s | no |
| 11:38:33 | n1s | probably nut most players won't like it |
| 11:38:37 | n1s | but |
| 11:39:08 | n1s | most containers have their own tags |
| 11:39:31 | n1s | like oggs have vorbis comments etc. |
| 11:42:53 | SimonSelki | I have never used oggs |
| 11:43:13 | SimonSelki | Mp3s WMAs FLACs |
| 11:43:18 | SimonSelki | only |
| 11:45:25 | Bertrix | FLAC rocks |
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| 12:16:27 | daky | ey need rockbox a mirror? |
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| 12:20:08 | linuxstb | daky: I don't think so, but we always need build servers: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer |
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| 12:21:15 | daky | okay =) |
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| 12:30:55 | Membrillo | my h300 died a while back so im not up to date at all on all things rockbox... hows the iriver port going? has video ended up working? |
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| 12:33:16 | SimonSelki | hmm |
| 12:33:50 | Genre9mp3 | Membrillo: Video on H300 works at about 16-18fps but with no sound atm |
| 12:34:09 | Genre9mp3 | MPEG-1/MPEG-2 streams that is |
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| 12:37:59 | jba_ | quite night tonight? |
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| 12:40:50 | jba_ | so ttf rendering is slow, but aren't some of the devices atm fast enough tto handle true type fonts now? |
| 12:41:42 | n1s | jba_: maybe but is that what you want to use battery power for? |
| 12:42:21 | jba_ | true that |
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| 12:42:51 | jba_ | it's just that the gigabeat's screen is such a higher res than other targets |
| 12:42:57 | jba_ | most of the nice fonts are too small |
| 12:43:02 | linuxstb | It's the same as the ipod video |
| 12:43:06 | markun | jba_: the ipod video has the same res |
| 12:43:11 | Membrillo | true type, does that mean anti-aliased fonts? |
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| 12:43:41 | jba_ | Membrillo, not necessarily no |
| 12:43:45 | jba_ | manily scalable fonts |
| 12:44:26 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't anti-aliased used for proper scaling? |
| 12:44:42 | Membrillo | ahhh i understand... does rockbox support anti-aliasing of fonts yet? on any platforms? |
| 12:44:43 | jba_ | the battery indicator and volume metre appear too small also |
| 12:44:56 | Genre9mp3 | Membrillo: no |
| 12:45:10 | Membrillo | or is it still 2 tone grayscale |
| 12:45:18 | jba_ | Genre9mp3, anit-aliasing is the process of shading in the areas between pixels with blended colors to make them appear more rounded, i.e. less aliased (roughly speaking) |
| 12:45:19 | Membrillo | monotone* is the appropriate term sorry |
| 12:45:22 | Membrillo | ahhh ok |
| 12:45:23 | linuxstb | jba_: Yes, that's a problem on all the larger LCDs - the same icons are used on every bitmapped LCD Rockbox supports. |
| 12:46:06 | Genre9mp3 | jba_: I know, but scaling fonts with no anti-aliasing is not a good idea... that was my original point actually |
| 12:46:22 | jba_ | if they are just rasterised icons it should be simple to scale them (volume and battery metre) |
| 12:46:35 | Membrillo | Genre9mp3: is that because it will look all 'blocky'? |
| 12:46:38 | Membrillo | and pixelated? |
| 12:46:57 | Genre9mp3 | yes... mostly on small sizes |
| 12:47:00 | jba_ | Genre9mp3, the whole point of tte is that the vector of the glyph is used and so scaling isn't a problem |
| 12:47:07 | jba_ | ttf |
| 12:47:18 | jba_ | like postscript |
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| 12:48:24 | Genre9mp3 | jba_: It will be ugly without anti-aliasing IMO |
| 12:49:53 | Genre9mp3 | But anyway, as n1s mentioned ttf is not a good idea for Rockbox in general |
| 12:49:59 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: You mean large fonts are ugly? Whether they are generated on the fly from .ttf files, or pre-generated (as they are now), makes no difference. |
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| 12:50:03 | jba_ | yeah i see his points |
| 12:50:49 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I'm not quite sure what are you trying to say there |
| 12:51:07 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I'm not sure what you're saying... |
| 12:51:07 | jba_ | Genre9mp3, i think you are confused about ttf |
| 12:51:19 | Genre9mp3 | jba_: perhaps |
| 12:51:41 | jba_ | linuxstb, anyhow i guess what I was tending towards was perhaps more larger generated fonts of the nicer ones, like helv 20 or something |
| 12:52:13 | bluebrother | how about creating a second fonts package with large fonts? |
| 12:52:18 | linuxstb | Fonts aren't "scaled" as such. They are rendered as bitmaps based on the vectors in the .ttf file. Currently Rockbox does this in advance at a fixed size. Adding .ttf support to Rockbox would mean that Rockbox would render them on-target at varying sizes. |
| 12:52:54 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I understand you now... thanks for clarifying that |
| 12:53:13 | jba_ | linuxstb, exactly, but as n1s pointed out it wouldn't be good for battery life |
| 12:53:35 | linuxstb | jba_: Yes, I'm not suggesting we add it. |
| 12:54:14 | jba_ | anyhow, yeah it would be nive to have some more prettier fonts pre-generated in larger size |
| 12:54:28 | jba_ | linuxstb, any reason why we don't use bitstream vera sans? i quite like it |
| 12:54:33 | bluebrother | aren't there pretty fonts at rashers site? |
| 12:54:42 | jba_ | rashers site? |
| 12:54:52 | linuxstb | rasher.dk">http://www.rasher.dk (I think) |
| 12:55:08 | aliask | rasher.dk/rockbox/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ |
| 12:55:12 | Genre9mp3 | rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
| 12:55:15 | linuxstb | :) |
| 12:55:19 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 12:56:04 | Membrillo | pre-rendering the fonts seems logical... i would rather download a font package than waste battery life rendering fonts on-the-fly |
| 12:57:02 | linuxstb | jba_: I think everyone agrees Rockbox's fonts need work. But I'm not sure what's needed for a font to be added to CVS... |
| 12:57:11 | * | bluebrother was too slow as he just looked at that site himself ;-) |
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| 12:57:47 | aliask | Prerendered anti-aliased fonts? Anyone? |
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| 12:58:14 | jba_ | god damne everyone is hitting the site now, making it very slow |
| 12:58:14 | bluebrother | is there any reason against not using the xorg fonts? |
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| 12:58:32 | Genre9mp3 | xorg fonts? |
| 12:58:48 | bluebrother | yes. The fonts rasher builds are from the xorg distribution |
| 12:59:06 | bluebrother | http://www.x.org |
| 12:59:21 | Membrillo | could each character be pre-rendered and stored as a bitmap or jpeg and ran from cache memory or something? then anti-aliasing wouldnt be a problem |
| 12:59:52 | linuxstb | Anti-aliasing requires alpha-blending with the current background. |
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| 13:00:02 | Membrillo | ahhh good point |
| 13:00:18 | Membrillo | ive still got my mind in monotone and simple transparency |
| 13:00:24 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: You mean include them in the fonts pack? |
| 13:00:53 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe just providing them as a separate fonts package |
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| 13:01:21 | bluebrother | so new users can find them more easily |
| 13:02:43 | Genre9mp3 | since the fonts package is seperate now from builds, why have multiple fonts packs? |
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| 13:03:01 | bluebrother | because the fonts in the current package are in rockbox cvs |
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| 13:03:38 | Genre9mp3 | then again... there are too many fonts in rasher's site... this will bloat the package |
| 13:03:52 | bluebrother | and because a lot of users (i.e. those with smaller displays) don't have the need for huge fonts |
| 13:04:10 | bluebrother | sure, it would need someone to pick the "best" |
| 13:04:19 | bluebrother | whatever "best" is in that domain. |
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| 13:09:53 | JdGordon | anyone know a good gui program to rip cds to flac/ogg/mp3? im too tired for cli |
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| 13:10:51 | JdGordon | dw, kde has a nice one installed by default |
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| 13:13:12 | dan_a | JdGordon: If you're using KDE, the easiest thing to do is to use Konqueror. Browse to audiocd:/ and it should have directories for at least MP3s |
| 13:13:49 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I use grip. Make sure you don't enable id3 tags for flac/ogg though. |
| 13:15:13 | JdGordon | ta |
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| 14:48:12 | DivinuZ | hi all, what is a good app for managing musictransfers to an ipod with rockbox? |
| 14:48:31 | Galois | rsync(1) |
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| 14:49:02 | Galois | in a pinch, cp or copy.exe will do |
| 14:49:32 | DivinuZ | I don't beleve rsync exists for windows? |
| 14:49:34 | Gnelik41 | DivinuZ: Windows Explorer |
| 14:49:44 | Galois | I've used rsync on windows before |
| 14:49:47 | Gnelik41 | DivinuZ:Why not? |
| 14:49:57 | Galois | really sophisticated users might consider using unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) |
| 14:50:30 | DivinuZ | well, because I am uninformed :P |
| 14:52:02 | Kitt0s | if i restore ipod to factory settings, will it delete all the content i have (not the songs on the itunes, the regular files or music i have on it) |
| 14:52:11 | DivinuZ | so you guys just copy and paste your music? It doesn't matter where on the ipod I put it? |
| 14:52:35 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: Yes, that's the definition of "restore to factory settings"... |
| 14:52:55 | linuxstb | DivinuZ: Exactly. |
| 14:53:18 | Galois | you can't put the music in any of the ipod special folders like iPod_control |
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| 14:53:41 | DivinuZ | right, thanks |
| 14:54:25 | Kitt0s | what if itunes does not recordnize my ipod |
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| 15:02:34 | Kitt0s | linuxstb? |
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| 15:03:01 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: Sorry, I don't know, I don't use itunes. |
| 15:03:08 | Kitt0s | :\ |
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| 15:07:18 | dan_a | Does anyone have a charger or usb cable for a Samsung YH-920 that they would be willing to lend or sell? I don't think it should be too difficult to get Rockbox working on this... |
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| 15:13:05 | linuxstb | Is it another portalplayer device? |
| 15:14:38 | dan_a | Yes, with .mi4 firmware. And a codec which has a datasheet available |
| 15:14:45 | Kitt0s | is there a way to restore ipod factory settings without itunes? |
| 15:15:12 | linuxstb | dan_a: Only potential problem is likely to be the LCD then. That's stopping my half-hearted Elio port... |
| 15:15:30 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: What's the problem? Why do you need to restore? |
| 15:15:37 | Soap | Kitt0s: what do you mean by "restoring ipod factory settigns"? |
| 15:16:01 | Soap | removing the rockbox bootloader? |
| 15:16:33 | Kitt0s | because itunes gives me "Itunes cannot read your ipod, go to the summary tab and reset it to its original factory settings" |
| 15:16:34 | Kitt0s | but i cant! |
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| 15:16:39 | Kitt0s | because i click ok on that msg |
| 15:16:48 | Kitt0s | and then the ipod disapears from itunes |
| 15:16:50 | dan_a | linuxstb: Have you tried the Sansa driver? |
| 15:17:08 | Soap | Kitt0s: Does Windows Explorer recognize your iPod as a drive? |
| 15:17:22 | Kitt0s | yes |
| 15:17:32 | Soap | Kitt0s: and does Rockbox work? |
| 15:18:33 | Kitt0s | dunno, i use that PLoader 2 thingi.. and the Apple OS works ok |
| 15:18:45 | linuxstb | dan_a: No, I haven't touched my Elio since my initial attempts. |
| 15:19:44 | Kitt0s | might be because i use windows vista? |
| 15:19:49 | Soap | Kitt0s: you don't use rockbox? |
| 15:19:56 | Soap | Vista is a huge variable in all this. |
| 15:22:21 | Kitt0s | i do |
| 15:23:19 | Soap | were you booted into apple OS or Apple Disk Mode when iTunes gave you the error? |
| 15:24:19 | Kitt0s | diskmode |
| 15:24:43 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: Have you rebooted your Windows PC? |
| 15:25:00 | Kitt0s | no but does it matter?> |
| 15:25:12 | linuxstb | Well, something's broken... |
| 15:25:35 | Kitt0s | sec |
| 15:25:41 | Kitt0s | trying to run it through apple os |
| 15:26:06 | Soap | Do you have a Non-Vista machine around? I'd like to see the Vista variable taken out of the equation. |
| 15:27:16 | Kitt0s | not atm, will have later today |
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| 15:32:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: Are you around and able to update a couple of files in download.rockbox.org? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_fw.zip (it contains updated binaries for win32 and Mac OS X). |
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| 15:36:55 | Slasheri | ups.. i said dd if=ipodboot.bin of=/dev/sdc1 and forget i had my 600GB backup disk connected.. :D |
| 15:37:04 | Slasheri | fortunately it was just backups |
| 15:37:20 | linuxstb | Ouch... I always triple-check before doing that kind of dd... |
| 15:37:38 | Slasheri | normally ipod would be always sdc1 so i didn't notice that |
| 15:37:51 | Slasheri | btw, the new bootloader didn't work at least on first try |
| 15:37:57 | Slasheri | investigating |
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| 15:38:40 | linuxstb | No, it wouldn't - it's identical to what was there before. |
| 15:38:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb: did you try it on a 5.5g using your patched ipod_fw? |
| 15:38:51 | Slasheri | oh? |
| 15:39:45 | linuxstb | All my commit to bootloader/ipod.c did was remove some unused code. It should behave the same as it did before. |
| 15:40:01 | Slasheri | ah, true.. but i will try again |
| 15:40:10 | linuxstb | And my patched ipod_fw produces identical "rockboot.bin" images to the previous version. |
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| 15:40:45 | linuxstb | (but you now don't need the patched version for the 5.5g) |
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| 15:41:26 | linuxstb | I think the bootloader code itself is fine - the problem is likely to be with ipod_fw.c, probably with the "rsrc" image. |
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| 15:59:00 | barrywardell | linuxstb: does the ipod bootloader not run from the start of RAM? i wonder if that's the reason the modified crt0-pp.S isn't working on ipods? |
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| 16:00:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: It's loaded (and run from) the end of the apple firmware, so about 5MB from the start of RAM. |
| 16:01:08 | barrywardell | ah, ok. that's quite likely to be the problem (I think) |
| 16:01:12 | linuxstb | It does a little initialisation in-place, then relocates itself to IRAM. |
| 16:02:31 | n1s | barrywardell: does "disk poweroff" work reliably on h10 |
| 16:03:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb: you mean the bss and stack initialisation? |
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| 16:03:27 | barrywardell | n1s: it does for me. i've heard reports of crashes with it enabled though |
| 16:04:30 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes (IIRC). |
| 16:04:53 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, the problem does seem to be the rsrc image being created incorrectly. I'm investigating now. |
| 16:05:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb: apparently that part is very multiprocessor unsafe, which is why dan_a had to rewrite it to get it to work on the sansa |
| 16:07:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That doesn't surprise me - there's definitely something bad happening with the cop on the ipods. |
| 16:07:34 | n1s | barrywardell: hmm, that is a problem if my patch in the tracker gets committed because it turns it on and removes the option, so would you want it to be always on or always off or do you think the patch should wait untill it works reliably on the h10? |
| 16:08:21 | dan_a | I think the iPod comes out of the bootloader with the cache disabled, which means that the Rockbox bootloader doesn't have to worry about concurrency. The Sansa seems to have cache enabled by its bootloader, which caused problems. |
| 16:08:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm pretty sure the cache is never enabled in the ipod bootloader. |
| 16:08:54 | dan_a | The updated crt0 flushes and invalidates cache at appropriate times. |
| 16:10:01 | barrywardell | n1s: which patch? |
| 16:10:09 | linuxstb | dan_a: Is the Sansa port developed enough to test Rolo? The rolo code for the ipod in CVS was my badly-informed attempt, and doesn't work... |
| 16:10:28 | linuxstb | (I'm sure it's cache-related) |
| 16:10:46 | n1s | barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 |
| 16:11:06 | barrywardell | linuxstb: Rolo works on my h10 if I use my updated crt0-pp.S |
| 16:11:12 | dan_a | linuxstb: Rolo works fine on the Sansa (I can't remember if I had to make one or two local changes) - but the OF doesn't boot properly with it |
| 16:12:05 | linuxstb | Have you both tried different rockbox versions to the currently running one? |
| 16:12:14 | linuxstb | (that's where the ipod rolo falls over) |
| 16:12:27 | barrywardell | no, just the one that's already running |
| 16:14:11 | dan_a | linuxstb: I've tried a different version, with no problems. The change I made was to use the proper cache flushing code instead of reading 8kB memory. |
| 16:15:01 | linuxstb | dan_a: That's good news. Can you commit it? (it can't be any worse than the existing ipod rolo code). |
| 16:15:26 | dan_a | Will do! |
| 16:15:54 | * | linuxstb hates the ipod_fw.c code and wants to write a replacement... |
| 16:19:56 | Kitt0s | so no1 knows how do i reset ipod to its factory settings without itunes? |
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| 16:25:19 | barrywardell | n1s: I'll do some testing on my H10 and report back if the crashes are still present |
| 16:25:54 | n1s | barrywardell: thanks |
| 16:30:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: Can you test the updated bootloader on H10 and iPod if you change the "adjust for execute address" line to be "and r5, pc, #0xffff0000"? |
| 16:33:35 | barrywardell | dan_a: you mean the "get the high part of our execute address" part? the part you mention is only used in a normal build |
| 16:35:30 | dan_a | Darn, I was looking at the wrong version of the file... |
| 16:36:09 | dan_a | Yes, I mean "get the high part", and try it with "and r4, pc, #0xffff0000" |
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| 16:37:48 | linuxstb | dan_a: Your rolo patch seems to work - I can Rolo an IPL kernel... |
| 16:38:36 | * | dan_a does the dance of the working rolo :D |
| 16:39:10 | linuxstb | I doubt it is handling the COP correctly though... |
| 16:39:41 | linuxstb | Which I expect is the reason I still can't rolo an Apple firmware. |
| 16:40:01 | dan_a | linuxstb: No, it isn't. I've done some quick tests on that, but not got anywhere. |
| 16:40:19 | dan_a | (For one thing, it leaves the COP sleeping) |
| 16:42:52 | dan_a | I've not quite got my head around how memory remapping will work with two cores - will the COP need to reset its own memmapregs? |
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| 16:43:29 | linuxstb | Have you checked how IPL does it? i.e. does the COP run the memory remapping code as well? |
| 16:43:40 | Soap | Kitt0s: in response to your parting question. If Apple Firmware boots and works, it doesn't make sense that iTunes is bitching about your player. |
| 16:43:59 | Kitt0s | i know dude |
| 16:44:01 | Soap | Kitt0s: That is why I was curious to see what happened when Windows Vista was taken out of the equation. |
| 16:44:02 | Kitt0s | just did a reset |
| 16:44:03 | Kitt0s | no luck :\ |
| 16:44:27 | Soap | Until more evidence comes in - I'm blaming Vista. |
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| 16:46:21 | Kitt0s | well |
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| 16:46:31 | Kitt0s | is there another way to restore the ipod into its factory settigns? |
| 16:47:08 | linuxstb | Did you keep a backup of your original bootpartition.bin from when you installed the bootloader? |
| 16:47:41 | barrywardell_ | trying to compile gives me an Error: invalid constant −− `and r4,pc,#0xffff0000' |
| 16:48:11 | Kitt0s | well... look, i had a bootloader that opens rockbox, and if u click on MENU while loading it gives u apple OS |
| 16:48:26 | Kitt0s | today i installed PL Loader 2 or whatever |
| 16:48:40 | Kitt0s | but i don't remember if it worked with itunes before |
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| 16:48:51 | barrywardell_ | but 0xff000000 and 0xffffff00 work fine. |
| 16:49:25 | linuxstb | dan_a: What is this line in rolo.c? " for(i = length; i < length; i++)" |
| 16:50:09 | dan_a | linuxstb: Me not paying proper attention! It's left over from your cache flushing |
| 16:50:11 | Kitt0s | Soap |
| 16:50:15 | linuxstb | dan_a: :) |
| 16:50:32 | Kitt0s | how do i restore bootpartition.bin |
| 16:50:32 | Kitt0s | ? |
| 16:50:54 | Soap | Kitt0s: the issue as I see it is that iTunes /should/ recognize it in its current state. iTunes worked fine on my iPod when I had the IPL bootloader installed. While that might be the problem, and rewriting your bootloader.bin file will remove the IPL bootloader... |
| 16:51:02 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: So you originally had the Rockbox bootloader installed, and then you installed IPL's loader2? |
| 16:51:14 | Kitt0s | yea |
| 16:51:32 | Kitt0s | its my friend's ipod and he wanted AppleOS by deafult |
| 16:51:46 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: Do you still have the bootpartition.bin from the _first_ time you installed Rockbox? |
| 16:51:58 | * | Soap ment bootpartition.bin |
| 16:52:01 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: any idea why it won't compile for me? does it compile ok for anyone else? |
| 16:52:29 | Kitt0s | hmm |
| 16:52:30 | Kitt0s | i have |
| 16:52:35 | Kitt0s | bootpartition.bin.bak |
| 16:52:43 | Kitt0s | wich is old |
| 16:52:44 | Kitt0s | so yea |
| 16:52:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: No idea - though I think the ARMs are limited in what you can use as immediate constants |
| 16:53:22 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: http://pastebin.ca/274251 <- that's what I'm using currently |
| 16:53:26 | linuxstb | Kittos: Then "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin.bak" should do it (replacing N with the disk number assigned to your ipod). |
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| 16:54:12 | dan_a | barrywardell: Do I remember right that using 0xffffff00 didn't boot on the H10? |
| 16:55:06 | barrywardell_ | yes, i just tested that again and it doesn't even show the bootloader on the lcd |
| 16:56:24 | Kitt0s | [INFO] Input file is 41094144 bytes |
| 16:56:24 | Kitt0s | [INFO] Writing input file to device |
| 16:56:24 | Kitt0s | [INFO] Wrote 41094144 bytes plus 0 bytes padding. |
| 16:57:29 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: 0xffff0000 boots fine on H10. 0xff000000 also works. 0xffffff00 doesn't |
| 16:57:43 | Kitt0s | ok |
| 16:57:45 | barrywardell_ | now to test on ipod... |
| 16:57:46 | Kitt0s | so now its only ipod |
| 16:57:47 | Kitt0s | right? |
| 16:58:00 | Kitt0s | i mean |
| 16:58:03 | Kitt0s | AppleOS |
| 16:58:03 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: It only has the Apple firmware. |
| 16:58:19 | Kitt0s | ok then |
| 16:58:20 | Kitt0s | same error |
| 16:58:21 | Kitt0s | :| |
| 16:58:29 | linuxstb | Did you ever reboot Vista? |
| 16:58:33 | Kitt0s | yes |
| 16:58:46 | linuxstb | And itunes worked in Vista before for you? |
| 16:58:58 | Kitt0s | (Operating system) Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate , version 6.0.6000 (51 processes running, 126.23MB free RAM, installed 3w 3d 22h 38m 12s ago, 33m 36s uptime, 3w 1d 13h 26m 34s uptime record) |
| 16:59:05 | Kitt0s | just rebooted |
| 16:59:12 | Kitt0s | no |
| 16:59:13 | dan_a | barrywardell_: I think I've gone the wrong way, haven't I? If the iPod is running 5MB from where the other targets do, we want less bits of the address. My brain hurts and I need a cup of tea. |
| 16:59:15 | Kitt0s | didn't try |
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| 17:00:55 | Kitt0s | i'v got to go |
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| 17:00:57 | Kitt0s | speak to ya later |
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| 17:03:32 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: 0xffff0000 doesn't work on iPod |
| 17:05:20 | dan_a | barrywardell_: See the comment above - I think it should be something between 0xfe000000 and 0xf0000000 - when the caffeine works its way around me I'll think about it properly |
| 17:08:53 | linuxstb | Shouldn't it just always be 0xff000000? |
| 17:10:42 | linuxstb | (are we talking about line 100 in http://pastebin.ca/274251 ?) |
| 17:11:11 | dan_a | Line 66 |
| 17:12:13 | barrywardell_ | that's trying to get the start of the BL code, right? |
| 17:12:26 | barrywardell_ | then copying the whole BL to IRAM |
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| 17:13:50 | linuxstb | That value is 0xffffff00 in CVS? |
| 17:14:19 | barrywardell | yes |
| 17:15:46 | dan_a | But 0xffffff00 doesn't work on H10 |
| 17:16:13 | barrywardell | i don't see why it doesn't though |
| 17:16:33 | barrywardell | and the CVS bootloader worked last time I tried ( which does use 0xffffff00) |
| 17:17:53 | dan_a | Does 0xffffff00 boot on the iPod? |
| 17:18:20 | barrywardell | nope. i haven't got the new code to boot the ipod at all |
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| 17:20:07 | dan_a | It would be good if we could get to the bottom of this (and the crossfeed problem on the H10) so we can get the updated crt0 in, which is what is holding up dual boot for Sansa. |
| 17:20:08 | barrywardell | i see the problem |
| 17:20:20 | barrywardell | 0xfffffe00 works |
| 17:20:50 | barrywardell | the updated crt0 has the space at the start to avoid 0xe0-0xef |
| 17:21:01 | dan_a | Ah. |
| 17:21:17 | barrywardell | that pushes line 66 to 0xfc |
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| 17:22:38 | barrywardell | and I think the pc is probably some where past that at 0x1** |
| 17:23:34 | linuxstb | Also, on the ipods, the code before boot_table: must be less than 0x100 bytes... |
| 17:23:52 | linuxstb | Otherwise ipod_fw.c will trash it. |
| 17:24:27 | barrywardell | sounds like that could well be the problem with the ipods then |
| 17:25:51 | dan_a | Yes - my solution would be to #ifdef out the padding at the start for iPod bootloaders |
| 17:27:38 | linuxstb | Or I could remove that feature from ipod_fw.c - we don't actually need it... |
| 17:27:42 | barrywardell | yup, that works |
| 17:27:57 | barrywardell | removing the space at the start lets the bootloader work on iPod |
| 17:28:58 | barrywardell | and it loads Rockbox fine too:) |
| 17:30:25 | linuxstb | Should that new crt0-pp.S help with the COP as well? |
| 17:31:00 | barrywardell | there's a chance it will |
| 17:31:12 | dan_a | Not on iPods, I don't think, but maybe on H10s |
| 17:32:09 | dan_a | I'll just check that the cop is still branching to the correct place |
| 17:33:35 | barrywardell | the updated bl boots the ipod OF too |
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| 17:34:52 | dan_a | There's no reason it shouldn't, but does it boot IPL? |
| 17:35:32 | barrywardell | i've never tried installing IPL |
| 17:36:59 | muesli__ | btw does audible seeking in mp3s work? |
| 17:37:01 | barrywardell | what about splitting crt0 into BL and non-BL files? i think people were in favor of that before. |
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| 17:38:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, I'm in favour of a split. |
| 17:39:19 | Genre9mp3 | would this require exactly the same technique used in bmp progress bar? >> http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=523669&postcount=1 |
| 17:40:14 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the only problem i came across in trying to do so before was that boot.lds doesn't recognise BOOTLOADER as being defined |
| 17:41:24 | dan_a | barrywardell: That shouldn't matter, should it? boot.lds won't be used if BOOTLOADER isn't defined |
| 17:42:14 | barrywardell | ah, yes. silly me! |
| 17:43:26 | dan_a | Ah, the other question I have - I don't see why it should have, but has fixing the bootloader sorted out the crossfeed problem on h10? If not, is the problem there on the iPod too? |
| 17:45:44 | barrywardell | i haven't tested yet. the crossfeed problem doesn't exist on an ipod using a normal build with an old crt0 |
| 17:45:55 | barrywardell | and with the new bl of course |
| 17:46:22 | dan_a | That's good, at least. |
| 17:46:32 | barrywardell | so it's probably a mistake by me in making a new crt0 for non-bootloader builds |
| 17:46:53 | barrywardell | linuxstb: boot_table is only used on ipod's? |
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| 17:48:00 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes. It's not even used in Rockbox though - it's something leftover from the old ipod loader. ipod_fw.c writes some information there. |
| 17:48:14 | linuxstb | ^old ipodlinux loader |
| 17:49:22 | barrywardell | so maybe that should just be removed too? |
| 17:49:54 | linuxstb | Yes, but it would mean changing ipod_fw.c. We would also lose some compatibility with IPL. |
| 17:50:25 | barrywardell | ah, ok. maybe easier to just leave it in for ipods then |
| 17:50:35 | linuxstb | I think so. For now at least. |
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| 18:04:23 | dan_a | barrywardell: How did you fix the invalid constant problem? |
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| 18:05:14 | barrywardell | linuxstb, dan_a: here's a patch: http://pastebin.ca/274328 |
| 18:06:23 | barrywardell | dan_a: the answer to your question is on line 475 of the patch |
| 18:06:41 | barrywardell | although i think that can be changed back to 0xffffff00 now. |
| 18:06:56 | barrywardell | actually, maybe not |
| 18:09:51 | Arathis | anybody here having experience setting up an arm-elf-gcc evironment on ubuntu linux? |
| 18:10:25 | barrywardell | Arathis: have you used rockboxdev.sh? |
| 18:11:29 | Arathis | yes |
| 18:11:52 | Arathis | but I get an error cause it can't find libiconv.so.2 |
| 18:12:53 | barrywardell | have you got iconv installed? |
| 18:13:04 | Arathis | yes |
| 18:13:12 | Arathis | I can find it on my machine too |
| 18:13:18 | markun | do you need iconv to compile gcc? |
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| 18:14:01 | barrywardell | what's the exact error message? |
| 18:14:29 | Arathis | can't remember. I closed the window .... running it again right now |
| 18:15:38 | barrywardell | dan_a: i think the sansa bl should look in /System for the OF. that way it wouldn't get deleted when updating rockbox and deleting .rockbox |
| 18:16:48 | barrywardell | dan_a: and is there really a need for separate h10.c and e200.c? |
| 18:16:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: Given that I'm going to have to flash the OF on in order to put Rockbox on *because* I'd deleted .rockbox... I can't argue at all! |
| 18:16:57 | amiconn | You shouldn't delete .rockbox when updating |
| 18:17:30 | amiconn | That way you lose all settings saved from plugins (and soon main settings as well), and database files etc etc |
| 18:17:50 | barrywardell | dan_a: it has happened to me too, several times. that's why i mentioned it |
| 18:18:05 | barrywardell | amiconn: but sometimes deleting .rockbox fixes weird problems |
| 18:18:32 | amiconn | huh? |
| 18:18:32 | dan_a | And as long as the code it h10.c and e200.c can be cleanly combined, then they should be one file. |
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| 18:19:04 | * | Genre9mp3 remembers deleting his rocks dir and loosing his jewels high scores... |
| 18:19:07 | Genre9mp3 | I never played jewels again :/ |
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| 18:19:40 | barrywardell | amiconn: there are many reports on mistic river of people who updated by just extracting over the .rockbox having problems. removing .rockbox and reextracting rockbox.zip fixed the problems |
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| 18:20:13 | Arathis | but often resetting settings fiexed it too |
| 18:20:18 | Arathis | *fixed |
| 18:20:33 | barrywardell | dan_a: as far as i can tell they're almost the exact same, apart from a couple of strings |
| 18:21:31 | dan_a | They shouldn't be too different - the first version of e200.c was an exact copy of h10.c |
| 18:22:56 | amiconn | barrywardell: Then they use a strange unzipper which doesn't overwrite old files |
| 18:23:35 | dan_a | barrywardell: I've found the rules for what makes a valid constant in ARM - http://www.zap.org.au/elec2041-cdrom/examples/intro/values.s from stg3 |
| 18:23:43 | amiconn | Extracting a new build over an existing one never causes problems by itself if all extracted files replace the existing ones with the same name |
| 18:23:52 | linuxstb | Or they don't cleanly unmount/eject, leaving some corrupted files behind, and the next time it works... |
| 18:24:17 | amiconn | I always just pull the cable... on windows, with write caching disabled |
| 18:24:41 | barrywardell | dan_a: a diff between the two shows the only real difference is in the text strings, calling things iriver/Sansa |
| 18:25:12 | barrywardell | amiconn, linuxstb: either way, getting them to delete .rockbox and reextract frequently works |
| 18:25:28 | dan_a | I'd say combine them, then |
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| 18:26:18 | barrywardell | only problem is which file to keep? pity cvs can't just rename to mi4.c |
| 18:26:51 | linuxstb | Delete them both and create a new mi4.c... |
| 18:27:26 | * | linuxstb waits for preglow to suggest a replacement for cvs |
| 18:27:49 | dan_a | mi4.c might be confusing - there is already tools/mi4.c |
| 18:27:57 | linuxstb | main-mi4.c ? |
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| 18:28:38 | * | dan_a thinks Git is lovely |
| 18:28:42 | barrywardell | yes |
| 18:29:05 | linuxstb | BTW, with the new crt0-pp-bl.S code, I seem to be able to reliably load apple_os from a file on the FAT32 partition. |
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| 18:30:54 | barrywardell | so would it be best to try use the same main-mi4.c for the ipod too? |
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| 18:31:18 | linuxstb | The ipod isn't mi4... The bootloader also has a button driver (we don't use the standard Rockbox one). |
| 18:31:24 | dan_a | Excellent - I'll have a play and see if I can make RoLo reliably boot the Sansa OF |
| 18:31:39 | linuxstb | dan_a: Sorry, not with Rolo, but from the bootloader.... |
| 18:32:26 | barrywardell | linuxstb: there isn't really anything mi4 specific in the code |
| 18:32:42 | dan_a | barrywardell: yet |
| 18:32:54 | barrywardell | true |
| 18:32:55 | dan_a | I want to make it able to boot native mi4 files |
| 18:33:27 | linuxstb | dan_a: Doesn't that mean incorporating decryption code? |
| 18:34:11 | dan_a | It does - would that be a problem? |
| 18:34:38 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Maybe call it main-pp.c, so we could possibly incorporate the ipod bootloader in the future. |
| 18:34:49 | barrywardell | dan_a: possibly with including the decryption key? |
| 18:34:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: will do |
| 18:35:40 | linuxstb | dan_a: Is mi4code.c GPL'd? |
| 18:36:02 | barrywardell | what about the string "iriver H10"/"Sandisk Sansa E200" |
| 18:37:16 | barrywardell | mi4code.c doesn't mention any licence |
| 18:37:47 | dan_a | linuxstb: There's no licence information - but since it's by MrH and he wants to remain anonymous, I was not going to use any of mi4code.c |
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| 18:41:37 | Arathis | barrywardell: my error msg while running rockboxdev.sh: "/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc: error while loading shared libraries: libiconv.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 18:42:19 | barrywardell | Arathis: where is libiconv.so.2? |
| 18:42:38 | linuxstb | dan_a: I think I remember talking about this with Bagder in IRC once, but can't remember what he thought.... But if you can do it without using any code from mi4code.c, then I can't think of a reason why not. |
| 18:43:33 | Kitt0s | linuxstb, Soap, u there? |
| 18:43:42 | Soap | ? |
| 18:43:46 | linuxstb | ? |
| 18:44:31 | Kitt0s | ok its wired.. windows seems to connect the device, then disconnet, then connect etc. |
| 18:44:36 | Kitt0s | on and off |
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| 18:45:45 | dan_a | barrywardell: Either take that string out, or have it #ifdeffed at the top of the file. It's probably useful to keep it in |
| 18:47:41 | linuxstb | Don't people know the name of their player? :) |
| 18:48:21 | Kitt0s | linuxstb, what do u think? |
| 18:48:33 | linuxstb | Kitt0s: I'm glad I don't use itunes... |
| 18:48:40 | Kitt0s | lol |
| 18:48:40 | dan_a | linuxstb: I was thinking for when people came in here and complained that Rockbox didn't work, and by the way why does it say "Sansa E200" on their iRiver H10... |
| 18:49:29 | linuxstb | You could just define a string in config-xxxxx.h to be displayed in the bootloader. |
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| 18:50:38 | Kitt0s | Soap? |
| 18:51:04 | Soap | I think you have proven the issue is not rockbox / IPL related. |
| 18:51:33 | Soap | I think you need to test on: 1-A non Vista machine. 2-With a different USB cable. |
| 18:53:23 | Arathis | barrywardell: $ locate libiconv.so.2 |
| 18:53:24 | Arathis | /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2.2.0 |
| 18:53:24 | Arathis | /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2 |
| 18:57:09 | barrywardell | Arathis: what does "echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH" say? |
| 18:58:08 | Arathis | nothing |
| 18:58:25 | Arathis | just an empty line |
| 18:58:32 | Arathis | $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 19:00:23 | Bger | Arathis: btw, why do you use rockboxdev.sh instead of the standard tools ? |
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| 19:00:41 | Arathis | which standardtools? |
| 19:00:53 | Arathis | I just try to follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 19:02:00 | Bger | oh, ignore me |
| 19:02:31 | barrywardell | Arathis: try this: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib" |
| 19:02:37 | barrywardell | then run rockboxdev.sh again |
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| 19:03:09 | Arathis | I'll try |
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| 19:13:10 | dan_a | linuxstb, barrywardell: The COP works with the updated bootloader. I think we should wake the COP from the CPU before branching to main, though. |
| 19:14:35 | barrywardell | dan_a: i gotta go now, but i'll read the logs to see you explanation of why |
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| 19:15:36 | dan_a | that is - in the Rockbox version of crt0 - not the bootloader version. |
| 19:16:48 | barrywardell | http://pastebin.ca/274395 |
| 19:18:02 | barrywardell | that's my latest version of the changes - splitting up crt0-pp, combining files in bootloader/, updated crt0-pp-bl.S to improved version, crt0-pp.S is the same as CVS with the bootloader stuff removed. |
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| 19:22:43 | Arathis | still the same error while compiling the arm-efl-gcc :( |
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| 19:24:39 | noteventime | 'lo |
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| 19:27:12 | noteventime | I'm trying to find some info on what hardware my player runs on |
| 19:27:29 | dan_a | What player is it? |
| 19:27:44 | noteventime | Ir's not supported by rockbox. TwinMOS mmd318s |
| 19:28:00 | noteventime | The only thing I've been able to figure out is that it uses a pma300 |
| 19:28:30 | noteventime | By unscrewing it |
| 19:28:50 | noteventime | Which is some kind of mp3decoder thingy |
| 19:29:31 | noteventime | The thing is that I can't seem to get past the display, and I'm not sure how much violence i can use without breaking it |
| 19:32:32 | noteventime | Do you think there is any chance of finding it out some other way? |
| 19:33:38 | TeaSea | Considering TwinMOS's own site has a 404 error when you try to view the player you may be out of luck. |
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| 19:34:15 | shrimants | will winamp pick up rockbox as a removable device and allow you to sync/ |
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| 19:35:16 | noteventime | TeaSea: Haha, I was kinda guessing, nothing better to do though. Thanks anyway |
| 19:36:25 | linuxstb | noteventime: Is the firmware upgradable? |
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| 19:37:15 | noteventime | linuxstb: Yes |
| 19:38:36 | markun | shrimants: all rockbox targets are connecting in "usb mass storage" mode, does that help? |
| 19:42:35 | linuxstb | noteventime: Do you know if it's encrypted? A first test would be to look in a firmware update, try and edit a string with a hex editor, and then try to run that modified firmware. |
| 19:42:49 | noteventime | ok |
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| 19:42:58 | noteventime | I'll check it out |
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| 19:43:50 | shrimants | markun: not really i kind of blanked out and now im completely lost |
| 19:44:20 | noteventime | hmm, what's the best hexeditor for linux? :P |
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| 19:44:54 | shrimants | noteventime: xvi32? |
| 19:44:59 | noteventime | oko |
| 19:45:37 | linuxstb | noteventime: emacs will work... |
| 19:45:42 | noteventime | oko |
| 19:45:54 | shrimants | gots to go, later |
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| 19:46:15 | linuxstb | noteventime: Also, do you know if you can recover your player if it rejects the firmware file? |
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| 19:47:58 | noteventime | I have no idea I'm afraid :) There is barely any info on it. I'm not very fond of it though. + I wasn't going to do any experimenting on it today. I was marely interested in knowing what hardware it ran on so I'd know if it was even remotely possible to do any work on it. |
| 19:48:08 | noteventime | The support sucks :P |
| 19:49:41 | markun | noteventime: is there some kind of user forum for your player? |
| 19:49:54 | noteventime | Not that I've been able to find :) |
| 19:49:58 | linuxstb | Are there any other major chips apart from the pma300? I'm thinking of a CPU.... |
| 19:50:50 | noteventime | There should be, the problem is that all the major components are below the display |
| 19:50:57 | noteventime | Anyway should be |
| 19:51:37 | noteventime | As I can't see them anywere else |
| 19:53:21 | linuxstb | The pma300 seem to be manufactured by a Chinese company called "Actions Semiconductors Co. Ltd", but I can't find any info on their website: http://www.actions.com.cn/ |
| 19:54:07 | noteventime | Is it of any real interest though. Maybe they're manufactured for a specific hardware,,, |
| 19:57:07 | linuxstb | noteventime: Have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 19:57:17 | noteventime | yes |
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| 19:58:28 | noteventime | I'm resonably sure I couldn't port anything, but I figured I might learn something. I never use the player so I wouldn't die if it breaks :) |
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| 20:01:29 | pondlife | Last bit of reminder-spam; the eBay auction for my Archos V1 Recorder finishes soon. |
| 20:01:47 | * | pondlife apologises for the commercial break |
| 20:01:59 | pondlife | ...and now back to our scheduled program. |
| 20:03:34 | noteventime | :)' |
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| 20:04:29 | noteventime | I'll have to fix my homework and get back to this a little later :P |
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| 20:24:41 | amiconn | petur: Renaming 'microphone' to 'internal microphone' doesn't make much sense e.g. for archos |
| 20:24:56 | petur | oh |
| 20:24:56 | amiconn | The suggested renaming of 'line in' makes even less sense |
| 20:25:08 | amiconn | Microphone is always internal on archos |
| 20:25:33 | petur | so make it target specific? |
| 20:25:37 | amiconn | The line in is a pure line in; you cannot connect a microphone without a proper mic preamp |
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| 20:26:21 | amiconn | I think so. Probably the combined line in / mic in is iriver only (h1x0 and h300) |
| 20:26:33 | amiconn | Not sure about the X5 |
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| 20:30:44 | * | petur gives PCMREC_PARANOID an interested look |
| 20:31:37 | terriblyinept | What's the discussion, if you don't mind me butting in and listening a bit? |
| 20:32:00 | Bger | hmm |
| 20:32:18 | petur | hi Bger |
| 20:32:21 | Bger | hi :) |
| 20:32:27 | petur | long time... |
| 20:32:34 | Bger | .. no time... |
| 20:32:53 | * | Bger just spotted that disktidy can't enter more then 7 (or 8) levels in the dir tree |
| 20:33:39 | Bger | (because it doesn't close the dir handle and #define MAX_OPEN_DIRS 8 ) |
| 20:33:57 | Bger | s/then/than |
| 20:34:50 | petur | hmmmm.. then my properties plugin should have the same issue, as will the recursive dir delete... |
| 20:35:07 | * | petur tries |
| 20:38:00 | petur | strange, seems to work |
| 20:39:15 | petur | ah no, it silently fails to detect anything lower |
| 20:39:25 | Bger | ah, okay |
| 20:39:26 | Bger | :) |
| 20:39:56 | amiconn | But you cannot close the parent handles, otherwise recursion won't work |
| 20:40:07 | petur | same for delete dir: fails silently |
| 20:41:12 | petur | amiconn: indeed, unless you keep a counter and assume the order and count stay the same |
| 20:41:58 | petur | which, unless somebody added a random generator to the dir enumeration, should work |
| 20:42:37 | Bger | yep |
| 20:43:52 | amiconn | It will get a lot slower though |
| 20:44:21 | petur | in the case of dir delete: even more... |
| 20:44:39 | amiconn | ...because then you always need to reopen the dir and advance to the last position |
| 20:44:47 | petur | indeed |
| 20:44:51 | Bger | (especially if dircache is turned off) |
| 20:44:56 | amiconn | Not in case of recursive delete though |
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| 20:45:24 | amiconn | In this case, the next entry is always the first one |
| 20:47:45 | amiconn | Of course the closing of open parent handles could be made dynamic |
| 20:48:06 | amiconn | Adds quite some complexity though |
| 20:49:00 | * | amiconn thinks that having 8 dirlevels is somewhat insane though |
| 20:49:22 | Bger | here is an example /D/iriver/h300/Docs/usb/DevClass/ms/Protocols |
| 20:49:59 | petur | on pc, I have too but not on a DAP |
| 20:50:04 | Bger | and i don't think it's insane.. |
| 20:51:39 | Bger | not if you use your DAP as a removable HDD too |
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| 20:58:42 | n1s | what is database.[ch] used for? the new database (tagcache)? |
| 20:58:55 | petur | yes |
| 20:59:05 | n1s | thanks |
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| 21:00:00 | n1s | amiconn: I was testing your suggestion to make private functions static and I have managed to save about 150b on recorder builds :-) |
| 21:00:29 | amiconn | Nice :) |
| 21:00:57 | * | petur notes that recording is still borked on his h340 :( |
| 21:01:24 | amiconn | Yes, very |
| 21:01:34 | Plouj | what's broken on h320? |
| 21:01:35 | Slasheri | eh, database.c? |
| 21:01:54 | amiconn | Recording stops to advance here after seconds to minutes |
| 21:01:59 | Slasheri | database.* is the burried tagdb |
| 21:02:12 | Plouj | someone suggested to me that iriver 320 works with rock box just as well as an ipod nano ... |
| 21:02:14 | petur | oh sorry, didn't see you asked for the .c/.h files |
| 21:02:24 | amiconn | Interestingly, I only observe this behaviour on X5 and H300 only |
| 21:02:40 | amiconn | On H1x0 recording works like a charm |
| 21:02:54 | * | amiconn recorded ~1.5 hours this morning |
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| 21:03:16 | Bger | amiconn, petur: which builds do this stopping ? |
| 21:03:24 | petur | Plouj: I think RockBox works better on iriver than on ipod |
| 21:03:29 | n1s | Slasheri: they are still built... |
| 21:03:39 | amiconn | Either it's a timing problem caused by the colour lcds, or it depends on the absence of s/pdif in |
| 21:03:41 | petur | Bger: latest cvs? |
| 21:04:00 | petur | it must be a timing issue as a logf build seems to work better |
| 21:04:12 | Slasheri | n1s: no, they shouldn't be.. |
| 21:04:13 | Plouj | petur: but there are these bugs mentioned: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus - although I'm not sure which model of the device they apply to |
| 21:04:24 | Bger | does the build from friday morning (08.12) do it ? |
| 21:04:46 | Slasheri | n1s: database.c isn't defined anywhere in apps/SOURCES |
| 21:05:23 | petur | Plouj: last updated 6 months ago ;) |
| 21:05:29 | n1s | Slasheri: I know but if I rename it, it won't build |
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| 21:06:10 | Plouj | well, someone should update that wiki then |
| 21:06:21 | petur | Plouj: and those issues are all for swcodec devices, which the ipod is too |
| 21:06:58 | Bger | petur ? |
| 21:07:03 | n1s | aha! database.h is included in main.c |
| 21:07:16 | petur | Bger? |
| 21:07:44 | Bger | do you know whether a build from friday morning will have the "stopping" issue too ? |
| 21:07:53 | petur | probably |
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| 21:08:10 | petur | last known stable recording was mid-august |
| 21:08:17 | Bger | hm |
| 21:08:18 | petur | :( |
| 21:08:49 | Bger | but i'm using it very often for voice recording and i don't mind the problems that u can't stand... |
| 21:09:00 | Bger | but if the recording process stops ... |
| 21:10:14 | amiconn | I'm pretty sure this stopping issue is pretty new, added somewhere between 01 Dec and 08 Dec |
| 21:10:35 | Bger | amiconn: what are the symptoms ? |
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| 21:11:01 | amiconn | Recording stops after some time (ranging from seconds to minutes) |
| 21:11:03 | Bger | because i've made 2-3 recordings (each at least 2h30m long) since then |
| 21:11:18 | Bger | (mp3, mono, 64kbps) |
| 21:11:24 | amiconn | If recording is in standby when it happens, you can start recording, but then it just pretends to record |
| 21:11:53 | amiconn | ..i.e. file size doesn't increase, and peakmeter is empty |
| 21:12:16 | amiconn | This is pure wav recording. |
| 21:12:27 | amiconn | Tried mic/line in as well as mono/stereo |
| 21:13:39 | Bger | okay, recording with these params (mp3 etc) dated 06.12 haven't stopped |
| 21:14:22 | amiconn | I get this behaviour both on H340 and on X5 |
| 21:14:36 | Bger | since when ? |
| 21:14:50 | amiconn | Tried yesterday and today |
| 21:15:02 | amiconn | A build from 1 Dec works on X5 |
| 21:15:25 | Bger | btw, what do you think of some kind of "root rockbox dir" parameter passing (through ROLO) ? |
| 21:15:36 | amiconn | ?? |
| 21:15:41 | Bger | haha |
| 21:16:06 | Bger | ok, i'll try to explain |
| 21:16:56 | Bger | i mean some kind of mechanism, allowing to have more than one full rockbox copy (plugins, codecs, etc) |
| 21:17:00 | Bger | at the same time |
| 21:17:12 | amiconn | Why would you want that? |
| 21:17:48 | Bger | recording issue for example... |
| 21:17:55 | Lear | To switch between different versions? |
| 21:17:58 | Bger | yep |
| 21:18:15 | amiconn | To lessen the pressure to fix issues? |
| 21:18:23 | Bger | haha |
| 21:18:26 | amiconn | I'd say that's the wrong way... |
| 21:18:28 | Bger | i expected this :) |
| 21:19:20 | amiconn | I didn't see the need to run completely separate builds a single time on any of my targets for the whole time I'm involved in rockbox |
| 21:20:00 | amiconn | I do sometimes use rolo for test builds, and to show the ugliness of retailos on archos |
| 21:20:16 | Bger | good reason (last one) |
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| 21:20:28 | amiconn | These test builds can just use the installed codecs and plugins |
| 21:21:17 | Bger | yep, but i doubt it could if the build is half an year old |
| 21:22:12 | amiconn | Yes, but then I have no need for any old build, except if I want to check how it behaves, and then I just do a full install |
| 21:22:42 | Bger | okay, it was just an idea... |
| 21:23:12 | amiconn | RoLo is still helpful for this, because I don't need to power down & power up again |
| 21:24:40 | amiconn | Bg3r: If you really want to keep such an old build for special purposes, just recompile it with a changed rockbox root |
| 21:25:09 | Bger | yeah, that's a way |
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| 21:30:34 | Bger | plugin writers should stop using ".rockbox" literally ... |
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| 21:37:27 | dan_a | Do some people not think before they post on the forum? Someone on the Sansa thread has just told us to "fix the scrollwheel and fix the sound playback." Ooh, I'd not thought of implementing *sound* on Rockbox! |
| 21:37:31 | dan_a | </rant> |
| 21:39:13 | Bger | lol, one guy is selling 3kg EDO RAM for ~ 50 EU |
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| 21:48:36 | Blork | hi all |
| 21:49:27 | Blork | I was wondering if you guys know of a program that lets you use the new ipod shuffle 1GB without itunes. |
| 21:49:50 | Blork | I cant find one that is compatible with the new shuffle |
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| 22:33:10 | JdGordon | would distcc over a 100mbit lan (on 2 windows machines under cygwin) speed up compile much over just the one cygwin? |
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| 22:34:49 | Sumguy21 | Hello/ |
| 22:35:06 | thegeek | JdGordon : I don't know about cygwin, but distcc helps quite a bit under native linux ( gentoo ) |
| 22:35:25 | JdGordon | ok, proabbly worth a shot then |
| 22:35:34 | thegeek | yep |
| 22:35:38 | Sumguy21 | My ipod nano just died, I installed the firmware had it running, plugged it into the computer, went to diskmode put some stuff on, un plugged it |
| 22:35:48 | Sumguy21 | Then the battery symbol appeared and it shut off and I can't get it to turn on. |
| 22:36:04 | JdGordon | Sumguy21: hold select and menu untill something happens |
| 22:36:08 | JdGordon | then charge it fully |
| 22:37:25 | Sumguy21 | It is charged fully, is this supposed to happen whenever I unplug it from the computer? |
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| 22:37:32 | JdGordon | no |
| 22:37:40 | JdGordon | but it happens t my ssters nano occasionallt |
| 22:37:47 | JdGordon | hold menu and select for about 6sec |
| 22:37:52 | Sumguy21 | Weird, whatever. Can I uncap volume? |
| 22:38:22 | JdGordon | volume goes up to +8dB on the ipods or somehin crazy |
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| 22:39:21 | Sumguy21 | Only goes up to 6 on mine, but is it possibly to uncap? |
| 22:40:01 | JdGordon | 6 is the highest then |
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| 22:40:18 | JdGordon | we belive i the right to destory our ears here... |
| 22:40:27 | Soap | if +6 doesn't blow your eardrums, you have 600ohm headphones. |
| 22:40:33 | Everybody|away | hehe |
| 22:40:48 | Everybody|away | My headphones literally jumped out of my hand when I put it up that high |
| 22:40:53 | Everybody|away | it was quite fun |
| 22:41:06 | Everybody|away | but they're expensive headphones so now I have some cheap old headphones that I can use as loudspeakers :D |
| 22:41:12 | Sumguy21 | Mine aren't doing anything special, it doesn't even seem abormally loud considering how loud some people listen to music. |
| 22:41:14 | Everybody|away | but it drains battery like hell |
| 22:41:17 | Blork | does anyone know where i can find a replacement for itunes for the new shuffle? |
| 22:41:23 | Everybody|away | YamiPod |
| 22:41:35 | Blork | tryed it and its not compatible |
| 22:41:39 | Everybody|away | Also you shouldn't have a Shuffle, it's a waste of time :D |
| 22:42:05 | JdGordon | Blork: his is #rockbox, we arnt a apple support channel, we only deal with rockbox on rockboxable targets |
| 22:42:09 | Blork | won it in a raffle |
| 22:42:26 | Sumguy21 | Is there a menu system similar to the apple firmware, or is it just put it on through disc mode? |
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| 22:43:03 | Blork | i was hoping that someone here might know |
| 22:43:29 | Blork | but then i guess my luck ran out on the raffle |
| 22:44:11 | Sumguy21 | No there isn't? |
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| 22:46:15 | Soap | Sumguy21:" Database" is what you need to read up on in the manual/wiki/forums. |
| 22:46:40 | Soap | It is a topic fit for more detail than I can type in an hour. |
| 22:46:53 | Sumguy21 | Mmkay |
| 22:47:03 | Sumguy21 | Anything else I should try out? |
| 22:50:03 | * | JdGordon wondering why his cdrom is working much faster this morning than it was last night |
| 22:51:31 | amiconn | Perhaps it was tired... ;) |
| 22:51:40 | JdGordon | I think so |
| 22:51:54 | pixelma | ah... JdGordon, I don't know what progress you made... but testing yesterday's settings patch - it still don't save resume position and settings changed during playback (i.e. rebuffering) |
| 22:52:05 | pixelma | *doesn't |
| 22:52:34 | JdGordon | damn, damn damn! Ok, ill keep looking |
| 22:52:49 | * | pixelma is going to compile the lates version |
| 22:52:50 | JdGordon | Im working on making sure all he settings are working correclty now |
| 22:53:51 | pixelma | did anything about the lcd mode "inverse" changed between yesterday and today? |
| 22:54:13 | JdGordon | I fixed the calback not working, but im not sure if that makes a difference |
| 22:54:47 | pixelma | ok... I'll just test the new one and tell you more then |
| 22:54:52 | JdGordon | ta |
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| 22:57:20 | Sumguy21 | Why aren't my headphones jumping out of my hand like i hear rumored? |
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| 23:02:40 | Soap | what headphones do you have? |
| 23:03:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:05:51 | * | JdGordon goes back to bed for 2 houors... 9am is way to early to be up! |
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| 23:14:16 | Bger | nite |
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| 23:23:54 | Sumguy21 | 99 cent ones |
| 23:24:11 | Sumguy21 | But I plugged them into better ones and they didn't do much different |
| 23:24:14 | Sumguy21 | Ear buds... |
| 23:25:49 | Soap | regardless, rockbox will drive them as hard as the hardware can drive them. |
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| 23:33:32 | aridese | is anyone working on rockbox for ipod? |
| 23:34:01 | Soap | lots of people. |
| 23:34:18 | aridese | oh my bad |
| 23:34:22 | aridese | haha, i meant 3g ipod |
| 23:35:22 | dan_a | A lot of the work for the other iPods helps the 3g. I'm the only developer who has a 3g, though, and I'm not smart enough to make it play without skipping on MP3s |
| 23:35:59 | aridese | oh −− how does the original firmware use the 5002? |
| 23:36:26 | Soap | well ;) |
| 23:37:37 | aridese | i remember talking to someone about how the original firmware loads data into memory insted of pumping it straight into the 5002 |
| 23:37:46 | dan_a | It uses both of the cores - I'm working on doing that at the moment (amongst other things) but it is going slowly. One big problem if I get it working is that we think using both cores will use more battery |
| 23:38:00 | Bagder | aridese: eh, that doesn't make sense |
| 23:38:03 | dan_a | We buffer data in memory too |
| 23:38:08 | aridese | yeah, i might have forgotten |
| 23:39:04 | aridese | oh. is the code for the playback convoluted? e.g., a lot of hardware calls, direct access to memory? |
| 23:39:50 | Bagder | get the code and check for yourself! |
| 23:40:33 | Bagder | Rockbox runs on numerous players so it should be an indication that we have a certain degree of abstraction |
| 23:41:04 | Bagder | but we try to avoid adding unnecessary layers or things that complicate or slow down |
| 23:43:14 | | Part n1s |
| 23:43:44 | aridese | i see |
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| 23:45:09 | aridese | i cant find any cvs/code info on the site |
| 23:45:14 | aridese | where is it? |
| 23:45:31 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 23:45:33 | * | petur hands aridese a couple of eyes |
| 23:45:49 | * | Bagder goes to bed |
| 23:45:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: Did you see my message in the logs to you about ipod_fw.zip? |
| 23:45:56 | linuxstb | Damn... |
| 23:46:00 | Bagder | no... |
| 23:46:27 | Bagder | ok |
| 23:46:31 | Bagder | I'll fix that |
| 23:46:43 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
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| 23:47:57 | Bagder | so they replace the existing ipod_fw.exe and ipod_fw I take it? |
| 23:48:11 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:48:18 | * | amiconn now has a multi-lcd-resolution fixed bounce.c |
| 23:48:29 | Bagder | linuxstb: done! |
| 23:48:31 | * | petur just discovered some crazy borked menu stuff |
| 23:48:46 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks. A step closer to saying we support the 5.5g (30GB at least...) |
| 23:48:54 | Bagder | very nice indeed |
| 23:50:15 | petur | repeat the key sequence "REC, UP, UP, RIGHT, long SELECT" about 4 times, then start pressing left to back out. Suddenly in the list of plugins the extensions start to flash on/off.... xmas decoration :D |
| 23:50:59 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 shows worse issues in the menu system than the bugreport mentions |
| 23:51:38 | petur | I think we should hard block menu recursion |
| 23:52:03 | amiconn | Menu recursion is blocked afaik |
| 23:52:52 | amiconn | Sub browsers don't allow entering the main menu |
| 23:52:59 | petur | try that key sequence on iriver hxx0 (or iaudio x5) |
| 23:53:32 | amiconn | Context menu should be allowed, 'cause it's very handy for deleting unwanted plugins/ fonts/ whatever |
| 23:53:59 | petur | and from the context menu, you can enter the menu again |
| 23:54:12 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 23:54:17 | * | amiconn wonders why |
| 23:54:32 | petur | just try that key sequence 4 times and back out, it's really funny. Do keep the paperclip handy |
| 23:54:36 | amiconn | The only place where the context menu needs to allow entering the main menu is the Ondio wps |
| 23:55:19 | * | petur didn't know rockbox could make file extensions blink |
| 23:55:46 | amiconn | Nothing blinking here |
| 23:55:51 | jba | if anyone sees jhmikes around tell him we found the cause of the infinte loop in audio_stop on the gigabeat port. It was a bad pre-processor conditional that made yield and empty function, and so the while(playing ..) yield(); was keeping the processor too busy to not be playing |
| 23:55:56 | amiconn | After about the 5th time it just locked up |
| 23:56:17 | amiconn | No paperclip required on X5 though |
| 23:56:18 | petur | amiconn: I started pressing left after the 4th loop |
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