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| 00:07:35 | webguest56 | good evening! one qzestion: is it possible to view only model specivic alterings in the code? |
| 00:08:06 | n1s | webguest56: no, not really, and most changes apply to all targets |
| 00:08:11 | webguest56 | i'd like ti know if the battery tweaks are |
| 00:08:18 | webguest56 | in the day |
| 00:08:39 | webguest56 | sry daily-builds from the nano |
| 00:08:59 | webguest56 | thx, n1s |
| 00:09:11 | n1s | which battery tweaks do you mean? |
| 00:09:27 | webguest56 | cpu frequenzy throttling for example |
| 00:09:52 | n1s | that has been enabled for the nano for several months |
| 00:10:02 | webguest56 | and codec optmisation |
| 00:10:26 | webguest56 | ok, thank you. i thought, only in cvs |
| 00:10:45 | n1s | daily builds are built from cvs every day |
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| 00:11:54 | webguest56 | ah, well, okay, thank you again! so it would be best to update on a regular basis if run-time is a concern? |
| 00:12:57 | n1s | webguest56: that entirely depends on if someone makes some improvements to the battery life, but sure, just don |
| 00:13:06 | n1s | 't expect any miracles ;-) |
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| 00:14:24 | webguest56 | the problem is - the comments for altered code are very cryptic for me, so i never know if there has something been updated concerning battery or not, u know? |
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| 00:15:07 | webguest01 | when is 3.1 for ipod 5g coming out? |
| 00:15:40 | webguest01 | codename fireworks |
| 00:15:50 | n1s | in november 2006 if we meet the deadline :-) |
| 00:16:10 | _ke | webguest01, whats that? |
| 00:16:13 | webguest01 | .....its dec12 |
| 00:16:20 | n1s | exactly |
| 00:16:28 | webguest01 | i don't get ti |
| 00:16:55 | n1s | put it this way 3.0 was supposed to be released in may and isn't done yet |
| 00:17:08 | webguest01 | why? |
| 00:17:36 | webguest56 | n1s, thanks for answering.. it's already pretty late here, so i'll leave. good nite everybody! |
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| 00:18:09 | n1s | I don't know, maybe people found something that occupies their free time or something... |
| 00:18:34 | webguest01 | ok |
| 00:18:53 | webguest01 | rockbox rocks the box!!!!!(and the socks) |
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| 00:29:38 | webguest49 | hi |
| 00:29:45 | webguest49 | i was wondering |
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| 00:30:12 | webguest49 | will the rockbox 3.0 and/or 3.1 be out before x-mas |
| 00:30:26 | n1s | no |
| 00:30:37 | webguest49 | omg |
| 00:30:45 | webguest49 | why |
| 00:31:01 | n1s | 'cause it isn't done? |
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| 00:32:32 | Genre9mp3 | webguest49: download today's build and rename the zip file to rockbox3.0.zip ;) |
| 00:32:45 | Genre9mp3 | there you go... :) |
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| 00:38:11 | * | n1s referrs all release questions to Cassandra :-P |
| 00:38:45 | Cassandra | Here are all release answers (1) when it's ready (2) sure, feel free to submit a patch. |
| 00:38:51 | Cassandra | Anything I missed? |
| 00:39:21 | Genre9mp3 | yes... how about an x-mas release? :P |
| 00:39:27 | Cassandra | linuxstb, nice to see that rbutil under Linux was as easy as I'd hoped. Does it work. |
| 00:39:33 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, see answer 1. |
| 00:39:41 | n1s | Cassandra: people started asking when we were going to release... and your'e the release manager, right? |
| 00:39:56 | n1s | Genre9mp3: next x-mas? |
| 00:39:57 | Cassandra | n1s, in a manner of speaking, yeah. |
| 00:40:31 | Genre9mp3 | no present for x-mas! |
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| 00:41:08 | Cassandra | I actually don't have a good view of where we are wrt release now. AFAIK we're still not at a point where we're stable enough on any new platform to consider freezing, although I've lost track of what the current showstoppers are. |
| 00:41:36 | n1s | mainly recording I think |
| 00:42:04 | Cassandra | There's not likely to be another freeze until we feel that the core functionality is of a quality we'd consider "suitable for production use". |
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| 00:42:20 | n1s | heh ;-) |
| 00:42:21 | Cassandra | It will happen, but we tried forcing a timescale on it, and it didn't work. |
| 00:42:28 | Genre9mp3 | is that the case for the playback engine atm? bah... |
| 00:43:11 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, playback engine is pretty solid, but not 100%. Playback and voice still aren't quite playing nice, for example. |
| 00:43:49 | Genre9mp3 | also.. iirc we need a new bootloader for an h300 release |
| 00:44:14 | Cassandra | Any rich philanthropists wanting to fund a Rockbox development team should, erm, send me a suitcase full of money. Yeah, that'd work nicely. |
| 00:44:37 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, what's up with the current one? |
| 00:45:31 | Genre9mp3 | bootloader usb mode works on _some_ devices... and I think we need charging for it to be considered as official |
| 00:45:54 | Genre9mp3 | for the record, my h300 is not on the lucky ones :( |
| 00:47:11 | Doomed | hmmm |
| 00:47:25 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN some time ago was speaking for a bootloader with "wake on schedule" capabilities...but this was quite some time ago... |
| 00:47:31 | webguest49 | get it done for x-mas! get it done for x-mas! get it done for x-mas! get it done for x-mas! get it done for x-mas! |
| 00:47:43 | Genre9mp3 | thanks for trolling |
| 00:47:50 | Cassandra | Sounds like a 3.1 feature to me. |
| 00:48:24 | dan_a | What, trolling? |
| 00:48:44 | Genre9mp3 | the alarm-able bootloader? sounds like a 4.0 feature to me |
| 00:49:01 | Cassandra | My sister makes a boat controller that has trolling as an optional feature. |
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| 00:49:17 | Cassandra | I don't understand what it's for, but hey, it's called trolling. |
| 00:49:29 | Doomed | im so lost in this bootloader thing |
| 00:49:41 | Doomed | i thought there was charging in the bootloader usb |
| 00:50:08 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, no 4.0 is Rockbox Mobile Media Center Telephony Edition. |
| 00:50:11 | Doomed | i know there is on H120 at least |
| 00:50:31 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: and it is planned for 2009, right? :P |
| 00:51:04 | Cassandra | Nope. 2038. |
| 00:51:15 | webguest49 | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:51:29 | webguest49 | i like DS-X and Nintendo Wii |
| 00:51:39 | Genre9mp3 | webguest49: I guess you mean: wiiiiiiii |
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| 00:54:03 | webguest49 | yea |
| 00:54:05 | webguest49 | wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 00:54:23 | Cassandra | My Google got Munched. |
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| 00:54:31 | Cassandra | As in Edward Munch. |
| 00:54:47 | webguest49 | who likes wii on here!!! |
| 00:54:56 | webguest49 | they should make rockbox for wii! |
| 00:55:13 | Cassandra | Erm, thanks for that contribution. |
| 00:55:30 | webguest49 | welcome dick head |
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| 00:57:22 | Cassandra | Oh, never mind. |
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| 00:59:48 | dan_a | barrywardell: I see from the logs you updated your button driver. How well does the scroll wheel work? The version that I wrote in 5 minutes before work this morning wasn't too sensitive. |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:08 | barrywardell | mine is not too sensitive either |
| 01:00:14 | barrywardell | but i'm just about to try a new one :) |
| 01:01:42 | dan_a | I'm planning to test using interrupts to run it, similar to the mini1g driver - unless you get it working well first, of course! |
| 01:02:20 | barrywardell | that's exactly what I've just done! I'm just waiting for it to compile at the moment! |
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| 01:08:12 | Nico_P | wow, so the scroll wheel on the sansa is almost functional, si that it ? |
| 01:09:09 | dan_a | Nico_P: Yes, thanks to MrH we know how to use it - but the drivers we've written so far haven't worked well enough to commit |
| 01:09:12 | barrywardell | dan_a: do you have a 3g ipod to test the new crt0 on? |
| 01:09:26 | Nico_P | cool |
| 01:09:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: The battery is dead and the charger is the wrong side of the sea (until Friday) |
| 01:10:18 | Nico_P | and are you close to having audio ? |
| 01:10:44 | barrywardell | ah, k. i think I have all the problems ironed out and tested on H10, Sansa and iPod color |
| 01:14:36 | dan_a | Nico_P: Sort of. We need a datasheet for the chip - and to be allowed to share some of the information publically (in the driver) |
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| 01:22:23 | dan_a | barrywardell: The 3G has different addresses for cache control and a different procedure for flushing the cache, and I don't know what that is yet. Might the best idea be to create firmware/target/arm/ipod/3g/crt0.S? |
| 01:23:07 | barrywardell | i have ifdef'd the cache stuff out for the 3g |
| 01:27:21 | barrywardell | i'm just not sure if that's enough to allow it to run on the 3g |
| 01:29:49 | dan_a | I'm just trying to find the right pastebin... I *think* that all the cache stuff should make no difference on the iPods, because I *think* that they boot with cache disabled. |
| 01:30:50 | barrywardell | http://pastebin.ca/277207 |
| 01:31:24 | barrywardell | that pastebin has the changes to crt0, the combined e200/h10 bootloader, and my attempt at a button interrupt driver which doesn't work |
| 01:35:33 | dan_a | barrywardell: Double check lines 1317 and 1318 of that pastebin ;) |
| 01:35:38 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: The only problem I had with rbutil on Linux was that it was looking in /usr/local/share/rbutil/ for the rbutil.ini file. Once I put that file there, it worked and I successfully downloaded and installed a build. |
| 01:36:08 | barrywardell | ah, thanks. i'll try again with that change |
| 01:36:13 | dan_a | And 1329-1330 |
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| 01:39:48 | barrywardell | still not working :( |
| 01:42:26 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, fabulous. |
| 01:43:52 | Cassandra | I wish there was a sensible thing to do with data directory paths under Linux. |
| 01:44:10 | Cassandra | As it is, I just do the wxWidgets approved thing. |
| 01:44:52 | Cassandra | Maybe I should always get it to check the application directory first. |
| 01:45:21 | Cassandra | Then if it fails (eg cause it's /usr/bin/) it can try a share dir somewhere. |
| 01:45:45 | Cassandra | So was that on Linux or on a Mac then? |
| 01:46:02 | linuxstb_ | On Linux. I haven't installed wxWidgets 2.8.0 on my Mac yet. |
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| 01:46:23 | * | Cassandra bounces. |
| 01:46:36 | Cassandra | Bodes well for the whole cross-platform thing though. |
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| 01:46:56 | linuxstb_ | Any ipod-owning Windows users want to try out my in-progress ipodpatcher 0.5 to see if it's still working in Windows? |
| 01:47:21 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, I would, but I'm on my way to bed. |
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| 01:49:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | If RButil turns out to be solid, would that mean we could drop the various build pages (outside of the handy table) and just offer the util as the primary Rockbox download? |
| 01:49:23 | linuxstb_ | No problem. But if anyone does, it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.5.zip |
| 01:50:03 | linuxstb_ | All it does at the moment is display information about the ipod's firmware partition. Test using "ipodpatcher N −−list" (where N is the usual disk number assigned by Windows) |
| 01:50:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb_: Gimme a minute or two to dig up my Nano and I'll check it |
| 01:51:35 | Cassandra | Paul_the_Nerd, well, I see it more as suplementing rather than supplanting. But it would make them more of a resource for hackers than general installation instructions. But we have a way to go before that's achievable yet. |
| 01:52:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Cassandra: That's pretty much what I was thinking too. Not necessarily removing the pages, but removing them as being where we point people for normal use. |
| 01:52:23 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: Going back to a location for rbutil.ini - something like $HOME/.rbutilrc is more unix-like. |
| 01:52:27 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, might it be worth sticking your compiled binary on the wiki? I'm not sure how well random linux binaries work these days. |
| 01:52:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb_: Error reading disk geometry: The handle is invalid. |
| 01:52:50 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, it's not a user file. It's a program data file. |
| 01:53:16 | Cassandra | The idea is that eventually there'll be an auto-update mechanism in place. |
| 01:53:38 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: Then why don't you just grab it from the web, or hard-code it? |
| 01:53:38 | Cassandra | So a release of Rockbox won't necessitate re-downloading the installer, just an updated data file. |
| 01:54:22 | linuxstb_ | Then downloading it could be an option. It requires an active connection anyway... |
| 01:54:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, for some stuff, yes. But not everything. |
| 01:55:06 | linuxstb_ | "ldd rbutil" tells me that my binary is dependent on 46 different shared libraries.... |
| 01:55:55 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, hmm. How the bleeding nora are we going to distribute a linux version then? |
| 01:56:21 | amiconn | The answer is probably that it's not possible |
| 01:56:28 | amiconn | At least not as a single executable |
| 01:56:33 | Cassandra | (Unless those are libraries any standard distribution would have.) |
| 01:56:51 | amiconn | Even then it will be a problem |
| 01:57:00 | Cassandra | Things may get more modular within the app soon anyway. |
| 01:57:05 | amiconn | Thinking about different architectures... |
| 01:57:14 | Cassandra | I'm thinking of moving a lot of the functionality into dynamic libraries. |
| 01:57:17 | linuxstb_ | They do all look pretty standard, but I wouldn't want to be in charge of releasing it... |
| 01:57:43 | amiconn | x86, amd64, ppc, ... |
| 01:57:53 | Cassandra | The wiki page isn't really a 'release'. It's more a 'here, have a play'. |
| 01:58:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb_: For what little it's worth, that text was on Windows XP MCE 2003, on which v 0.3 of iPodPatcher works fine. |
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| 01:59:09 | linuxstb_ | Paul_the_Nerd: Sorry, I was distracted... Do you have time to test a few more attempts? I've completely rewritten it (it's now cross-platform), so I probably did something silly. |
| 01:59:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yeah, I have time. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:01 | linuxstb_ | In fact, I just found at least that bug. Compiling now... |
| 02:00:29 | linuxstb_ | New zip file uploaded (same URL). |
| 02:00:46 | amiconn | Meh |
| 02:00:57 | * | amiconn just wanted to report the same problem |
| 02:01:42 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Now it gets a bit further |
| 02:01:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb_: Shows the two partitions with lines preceded by [INFO], then a line that says "Error reading from disk: Invalid access to memory location." |
| 02:02:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then [ERR] Failed to read firmware directory |
| 02:02:24 | amiconn | Same here (just the [Err] msg is german) |
| 02:02:43 | amiconn | Or rather, the line above [ERR] |
| 02:02:54 | linuxstb_ | Thanks... |
| 02:03:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | I assume that one's a windows message and [ERR] is from the program itself. |
| 02:03:07 | linuxstb_ | Yep. |
| 02:03:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:04:30 | amiconn | This is on german Win XP SP2, btw |
| 02:05:42 | linuxstb_ | OK, next version is there... (both bugs were me not de-referencing a pointer...) |
| 02:06:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Seems to show everything |
| 02:06:30 | amiconn | Ah, no error this time, but: |
| 02:06:30 | linuxstb_ | Does it detect the ipod model correctly? |
| 02:06:31 | amiconn | [INFO] Ipod model: UNKNOWN |
| 02:06:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Image 1 has Main Firmware and Third-party bootloader, 2 has rsrc, 3 has HIBE |
| 02:06:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | 1st generation nano, so model is correct, yes. |
| 02:06:58 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: OK, I'll add some more debugging info. |
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| 02:07:27 | amiconn | Dunno how you detect the model, maybe it's due to my firmware partition only containing the rockbox bootloader |
| 02:08:27 | amiconn | http://pastebin.ca/277246 |
| 02:08:58 | linuxstb_ | That's possibly the problem... There should be a firmware version in the firmware header, which may be missing for you. |
| 02:10:17 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 02:10:37 | linuxstb_ | I've updated the zip file now - ipodpatcher should display the version number field from the header for UNKNOWN. |
| 02:11:42 | linuxstb_ | But the idea is that ipodpatcher will let you either replace the existing firmware with the bootloader, or append the bootloader to the end of it (the "normal" way) - and it will maintain the correct model info in the header. |
| 02:11:47 | amiconn | 00000000 |
| 02:12:13 | Cassandra | Erm, both my drives are reported as 'not iPods'. |
| 02:12:21 | linuxstb_ | Are they ipods? |
| 02:12:24 | Cassandra | Not sure which of them *is* the ipod. |
| 02:12:27 | Cassandra | One of them is, yes. |
| 02:12:53 | amiconn | Check in Windows disk management |
| 02:13:05 | Cassandra | The command line is "ipodpatcher 1" etc, yes? |
| 02:13:29 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 02:13:37 | amiconn | linuxstb_: How do I get my version number back? |
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| 02:13:58 | amiconn | I don't necessarily want to put retailos itself back there. It's useless... |
| 02:14:06 | amiconn | ...and it slows down booting |
| 02:14:29 | linuxstb_ | Wait until I finish ipodpatcher, then restore the original bootpartition, and use ipodpatcher to replace the Apple firmware with the bootloader (or probably rockbox.ipod if you wished...) |
| 02:14:36 | * | amiconn just used a 256 byte all-zero file when creating the bin |
| 02:14:56 | Cassandra | Ah, empty flash drive at PhysicalDevice2 |
| 02:14:59 | linuxstb_ | You could try keeping the first 256 bytes from apple_os.bin and using that instead of the zero-ised file. |
| 02:15:04 | Cassandra | It's actually Device 4 |
| 02:15:48 | Cassandra | Correctly reported as Video (aka 5th gen) |
| 02:15:51 | amiconn | Or was it 512 bytes? Hmm, where's that version number? |
| 02:16:03 | Cassandra | Do I need to test anything else? |
| 02:16:30 | barrywardell | dan_a: looks like a problem enabling the interrupts. even the logf I added in system.c isn't getting run when I press a button |
| 02:16:44 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: No, that's enough for now. I know that the platform-specific parts are working on Windows, so I can carry on developing under Linux. |
| 02:22:17 | linuxstb_ | Thanks all for testing. |
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| 02:23:10 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: You could try the "−−list" command if you haven't already - "ipodpatcher 4 −−list" |
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| 02:31:35 | Cassandra | linuxstb: image 1 main firmware 6455296 bytes. |
| 02:31:53 | Cassandra | third party bootloader - 52796 bytes. |
| 02:32:11 | Cassandra | image 2: rsrc - 524880 bytes |
| 02:32:18 | Cassandra | What on earth does that mean. |
| 02:32:29 | linuxstb_ | It's the resource image. Is that a Nano or 5g? |
| 02:32:41 | Cassandra | That's a 5g. |
| 02:33:14 | Cassandra | For the Nano (virgin) I get: |
| 02:33:18 | Cassandra | Image 1: |
| 02:33:18 | Cassandra | Main firmware - 5073184 bytes |
| 02:33:18 | Cassandra | Image 2: |
| 02:33:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Cassandra |
| 02:33:18 | Cassandra | AUPD - 579552 bytes |
| 02:33:18 | Cassandra | Image 3: |
| 02:33:19 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:33:19 | Cassandra | HIBE - 33554944 bytes |
| 02:33:19 | linuxstb_ | On the 5g the resource image is the firmware for the Broadcom chip. On the Nano (starting with v1.2 of the Apple firmware) it's used for the Nike software. |
| 02:33:36 | Cassandra | That's a 1.1 nano, I think. |
| 02:33:36 | linuxstb_ | So that looks like a v1.1 Nano... |
| 02:34:02 | linuxstb_ | And you've been using the Apple firmware... There's a hibernation image there. |
| 02:34:08 | Cassandra | I'd say it's working then. |
| 02:34:10 | pixelma | scary again linuxstb_ ... ;) |
| 02:34:20 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: if you need someone to test ipodpatcher on freebsd, i could do that next week |
| 02:34:40 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: Were you the person that compiled diskdump for freebsd? |
| 02:34:56 | Kasperle | i don't even know what diskdump is ;) |
| 02:34:56 | Cassandra | Not had a chance to put Rockbox on it since I got it back from Apple after it died coming back from the Rockbox convention. |
| 02:35:21 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: It's a similar program to ipodpatcher, but for Mac OS X. A freebsd user was here a week or so ago asking about it. |
| 02:35:38 | linuxstb_ | ipodpatcher will replace diskdump, once I've got it working. |
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| 02:35:55 | Kasperle | ah. well as you might've guesst, that wasn't me. so far i used ipod_fw and plain ol' dd |
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| 02:36:04 | Kasperle | s/guesst/guessed/ |
| 02:37:00 | linuxstb_ | Do you get a "/dev/" file for the firmware partition, or did you just use dd with the "whole disk" device (seeking to the first partition)? |
| 02:37:34 | Kasperle | no device file for that partition, i used dd seek=63 bs=2048 (5.5g) ... |
| 02:37:47 | Cassandra | linuxstb: It also correctly tells me my flash disk isn't an Ipod. Re-assuring, eh? |
| 02:38:28 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: Yes, it bodes well for auto-detection. I should just make it count from 0 to 25... |
| 02:39:06 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, I should say so. |
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| 02:39:27 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Why count? Ask windows which devices exist first... |
| 02:39:37 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:39:37 | * | jba really needs to get off his arse and install rb on his ipod |
| 02:39:45 | jba | it's just oo much fun playing with the gb these days |
| 02:39:51 | linuxstb_ | It's unlikely that other devices will say "This is your Apple iPod. You probably do not want to boot from it!" in the boot sector... |
| 02:39:56 | Cassandra | Maybe he likes counting. |
| 02:40:16 | Cassandra | I'd say that's a pretty good chance, yeah. |
| 02:40:45 | amiconn | Counting just sounds cumbersome |
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| 02:40:49 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Because I know nothing about win32 programming... |
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| 02:40:56 | amiconn | The devices don't need to be sequential |
| 02:41:26 | Cassandra | As witnessed on my system.. |
| 02:41:32 | amiconn | Plug a 4 slot card reader - the slots will become device 1..4 (provided there's only the system harddisk before, device 0) |
| 02:41:46 | amiconn | Then plug the ipod, it will become device 5 |
| 02:41:52 | amiconn | Then pull the card reader... |
| 02:42:59 | linuxstb_ | But if the disk number doesn't exist, the open() function will fail, so it's cheap and easy to just count... |
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| 02:43:49 | linuxstb_ | s/open/CreateFile/ |
| 02:44:03 | amiconn | How do you know how far to count? |
| 02:44:45 | linuxstb_ | Do you know how to detect what disks are available? |
| 02:46:22 | Cassandra | Crap. It's 2am. Who did that? |
| 02:46:41 | linuxstb_ | It's only 1.45am, don't exaggerate... |
| 02:46:54 | Kasperle | :( UTC cheaters! |
| 02:46:56 | amiconn | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stgmgmt/fs/enumeratentmsobject.asp |
| 02:47:03 | amiconn | Just a quick serach on MSDN |
| 02:47:20 | linuxstb_ | I found this example which seems to be useful as well: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/264203 |
| 02:47:58 | Cassandra | I don't do UTC. |
| 02:48:10 | Cassandra | I live in the country that invented time. |
| 02:48:26 | Cassandra | GMTs been good enough for over 100 years. |
| 02:48:33 | linuxstb_ | :) I live about a mile from Greenwich... |
| 02:48:52 | Cassandra | I don't. |
| 02:49:24 | Cassandra | Wow, that was useful. Why don't I make some more insightful comments? |
| 02:49:37 | Cassandra | My country also invented sarcasm. |
| 02:50:46 | jba | well techincally GMT is UTC |
| 02:50:53 | jba | so there |
| 02:51:30 | Cassandra | No, technically UTC is GMT. |
| 02:51:32 | linuxstb_ | I thought they were slightly different... |
| 02:51:35 | Cassandra | We were first. :P |
| 02:52:02 | Cassandra | linuxstb_, actually I believe that's true, although I forget how. |
| 02:52:18 | jba | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC |
| 02:52:26 | jba | Cassandra, even wikipedia says it the other way around |
| 02:52:39 | linuxstb_ | http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html |
| 02:52:41 | jba | but as they say, approximately the same |
| 02:52:54 | linuxstb_ | So they're not the same... |
| 02:53:22 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't have time for this and goes to bed |
| 02:53:35 | Cassandra | Night. |
| 02:53:58 | jba | night mate |
| 02:54:04 | linuxstb_ | Goodnight all. |
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| 03:47:34 | montgoja_ | hello |
| 03:47:43 | Soap | hello |
| 03:48:42 | montgoja_ | I have a very n00b question, but I haven't been able to find answers in the wiki yet. I just installed the daily build on my iriver H10 and I'm looking to install a few more themes from the WPS gallery. How do I go about doing this? |
| 03:50:00 | montgoja_ | anyone on here familiar w/ the H10 that can help out? |
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| 03:52:27 | BetaCookies | Hey |
| 03:52:29 | scorche | just copy it to the root (if it has a .rockbox folder in it) or copy the folders to the .rocbox folder if it doesnt |
| 03:52:47 | BetaCookies | I'm really stupid. I don't know where to put my music so it will be rockbox accessible O.O |
| 03:52:57 | scorche | anywhere |
| 03:53:18 | goffa | i'd reccomend making a music dir or something though |
| 03:53:32 | goffa | more organized than having it out in root |
| 03:53:34 | BetaCookies | And.. I don't have access to the ConvertiTunesDBtoDataBase page, it doesn't let me |
| 03:53:46 | BetaCookies | goffa so I just make a music folder in the root of the ipod? |
| 03:53:54 | goffa | yeah |
| 03:53:59 | goffa | you don't HAVE to |
| 03:54:05 | BetaCookies | well it makes more sense |
| 03:54:08 | goffa | yeah |
| 03:54:16 | BetaCookies | i just didnt know whether to put it in .rockbox or in root :P |
| 03:54:26 | goffa | ah.. i'd put it in root |
| 03:54:38 | BetaCookies | yeh |
| 03:54:41 | goffa | then when you upgrade things will be easier |
| 03:54:51 | goffa | and you can hide the .whatever folders if you wish |
| 03:55:07 | BetaCookies | i feel *stupid* because I had an easy time installing rockbox, but I didn't know where to put the music :P |
| 03:55:26 | goffa | yeah.. it has a good dir browser |
| 03:55:50 | BetaCookies | how do I choose whether rockbox should use the file browser or the database? |
| 03:56:24 | goffa | i think you have to enable dircache.. don't remember where that is |
| 03:56:29 | goffa | just a sec |
| 03:57:06 | montgoja_ | ok. funny because I'm running linux and the whole rockbox folder that was supposed to be extracted doesn't show up on my file browser, though I can find it on the actual iriver |
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| 03:57:48 | goffa | yeah.. its probably hidden montgoja_ |
| 03:57:54 | goffa | do an ls -lah |
| 03:58:11 | montgoja_ | in the terminal? |
| 03:58:34 | goffa | BetaCookies: general settings -> system -> disk > dircache |
| 03:58:38 | goffa | montgoja_: yes |
| 03:58:44 | BetaCookies | thanks, goffa |
| 03:58:44 | montgoja_ | k |
| 03:58:46 | BetaCookies | nighty night |
| 03:58:48 | montgoja_ | thnx |
| 03:58:49 | BetaCookies | and thanks for everything |
| 03:58:52 | goffa | np |
| 03:59:29 | BetaCookies | i didnt even mention i have an ipod |
| 03:59:34 | goffa | montgoja_: depending on what file manager you're using you can choose to show hidden files |
| 03:59:46 | goffa | yeah.. rockbox is pretty much the same on all players |
| 03:59:49 | montgoja_ | *headdesk* GUI has a command to show them. I feel silly. New to Edgy, too. |
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| 04:00:02 | goffa | ah.. np |
| 04:01:55 | BetaCookies | Woot its working |
| 04:02:02 | BetaCookies | goffa is the database hard to use? |
| 04:02:12 | BetaCookies | because I think I like it better :P |
| 04:02:17 | webguest57 | hey, I have rockbox and ipl installed on my 5g; if I update to the latest ipod firmware, will I lose both? |
| 04:02:20 | BetaCookies | unless I go rename everything now |
| 04:02:38 | goffa | BetaCookies: no you pretty much just turn it on |
| 04:02:45 | montgoja_ | then do I just cut and paste the extracted folders, etc. into the Themes Folder in .rockbox? |
| 04:03:16 | goffa | BetaCookies: i prefer to not use it though |
| 04:04:12 | montgoja_ | nm I think I got it |
| 04:04:23 | goffa | montgoja_: ok.. themes is just for themes |
| 04:04:27 | goffa | .rockbox is the whole thing |
| 04:04:43 | montgoja_ | yeah just figured it out. Second guessing myself. Thanks. Sorry I'm a little slow. |
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| 04:05:00 | goffa | np |
| 04:05:15 | BetaCookies | goffa do you know how to turn it on, i initialized it and updated it, but i'm still using the file manager. |
| 04:05:40 | BetaCookies | brb |
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| 04:05:48 | BetaCookies | okay back |
| 04:06:26 | montgoja_ | thnx again for everything goffa! |
| 04:07:54 | goffa | BetaCookies: you have to reboot the player to enable it |
| 04:07:56 | goffa | i believe |
| 04:08:43 | jba | goffa can tag cache grab the song metadata from itunesdb yet |
| 04:08:44 | jba | ? |
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| 04:10:24 | goffa | jba: i don't think so |
| 04:16:59 | jba | hmm the ConvertiTunesDBtoDataBase? starting point isn't a link, does that mean it aint there yet or someone removed it? |
| 04:17:06 | jba | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 04:19:21 | montgoja_ | *sigh of relief* rockbox looks 10x better now that it doesn't resemble an old GameBoy Screen. lol |
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| 04:20:41 | montgoja_ | ok next question: since I am running linux, is there a way to sync my iriver now with Amarok? |
| 04:21:58 | goffa | i'm thinking so |
| 04:22:16 | goffa | but haven't used amarok long enough to know |
| 04:22:42 | montgoja_ | Amarok isn't autodetecting it. I'll look at the Edgy forums and see if I can find anything. |
| 04:22:56 | goffa | yead. that'd be better than me |
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| 04:23:36 | montgoja_ | b/c it would be better to do it through amarok than to have to pull the UMS trick everytime I want to add music. |
| 04:24:23 | jba | definitely looks like someone removed the convert itunesdb to rockbox database page |
| 04:24:27 | goffa | yeah |
| 04:24:31 | jba | cause it's referenced from the faq as a deaed link |
| 04:24:47 | jba | anyone have an old cache version of it? |
| 04:24:55 | montgoja_ | jba: try google |
| 04:25:31 | jba | first hit is hcs64.com |
| 04:26:16 | jba | which links back to this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache and explains that it's the old version of the file. obviously the new version of the page hasn't been done yet |
| 04:26:18 | jba | thanks guys |
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| 04:27:18 | jba | shit that is way too easy to do |
| 04:27:33 | jba | i don;t even need to rearrange the folder strucuture, i love it |
| 04:28:04 | montgoja_ | glad u found it. hope amarok is just as easy. lol |
| 04:28:08 | jba | i wish i brought my damn ipod to work, have the usb cable here, but not the ipod |
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| 05:56:56 | montgoja_ | anyone else have any experience with amarok and the iriver H10? My research is showing nothing as far as RockBox goes for the most part. There's a sourceforge program called easyH10, but I think it is designed for the iriver firmware |
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| 06:14:43 | midgey | kkurbjun: you're still missing d_deh.c ; ) |
| 06:15:20 | kkurbjun | : ), yeah, I just commited it - it'd be nice if I could do a clean commit for once |
| 06:15:26 | kkurbjun | thanks for the heads up |
| 06:15:54 | midgey | its been a while since you've had a commit, hasn't it? |
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| 06:16:30 | kkurbjun | yeah, did an update the the clock a while ago - having a job eats alot more time then school |
| 06:16:50 | midgey | hurray for finals week! |
| 06:17:20 | kkurbjun | : ) |
| 06:17:27 | jba | hey would it be a big job to make larger batter and volume indicators for high res players? |
| 06:17:31 | midgey | i've been meaning to get back to you on that doom issue i sent to you on MR, but my player needs a new battery and I haven't gotten around to it |
| 06:17:32 | XavierGr | bex support? |
| 06:17:34 | XavierGr | what is that? |
| 06:17:46 | XavierGr | (or dehacked) |
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| 06:18:37 | kkurbjun | it's a way for wads to modify the behavior of objects and create some really unique mods |
| 06:18:56 | XavierGr | so more custom roms should work now? |
| 06:18:58 | kkurbjun | wikipedia has something on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehacked |
| 06:19:23 | kkurbjun | well they will work without the dehacked patchs, but alot fo them won't work right |
| 06:19:31 | kkurbjun | without it that is |
| 06:19:55 | XavierGr | nice |
| 06:20:00 | jba | montgoja_, try this, might work in amarok as well http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2006-June/msg00134.html |
| 06:21:15 | kkurbjun | midgey, sorry what was that again, my memory is becoming poor |
| 06:21:29 | midgey | haha, dont worry about it |
| 06:21:46 | montgoja_ | thnx. I may actually try rhythmbox instead and see where that goes... |
| 06:21:58 | midgey | iirc, the environment suit wasnt working right |
| 06:22:05 | midgey | (i think thats the name) |
| 06:22:16 | jba | mediamonkey on windows should work okay |
| 06:22:24 | midgey | its used to protect you from various things |
| 06:22:49 | midgey | anyway, when you walk over it, rockdoom sends you back to the plugin dir |
| 06:23:15 | midgey | keep in mind, i havent had time to try this since i sent you the original PM and i dont have a save file for you |
| 06:24:41 | kkurbjun | that's right, I havn't seen that issue come up before but I'll keep an eye out for it - was it doom 1 or 2? |
| 06:24:53 | midgey | 1 |
| 06:25:19 | midgey | if i get around to playing it again, i'll update you on its status |
| 06:25:39 | jba | montgoja_, FYi i used this string in google: rhythmbox rockbox |
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| 06:26:10 | montgoja_ | k thnx |
| 06:26:23 | kkurbjun | I'll have to try replaying it, I was able to beat it before without crashes, but that doesn't mean somethign wasn't introduced sometime after I played it. thanks for the help |
| 06:26:33 | midgey | anytime |
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| 06:27:08 | midgey | since were on the subject of doom, why did we decide on /games/doom instead of /.rockbox/doom ? |
| 06:27:42 | daurnimator | cause .rockbox is for OS files |
| 06:27:59 | daurnimator | and poeple have to put things into & out of doom folder |
| 06:28:14 | midgey | isnt pacman stored in /.rockbox/pacman or does my memory deceive me? |
| 06:28:25 | kkurbjun | I don't think that it was ever put to a final vote - I liked it out of .rockbox - similar feelings as daurnimator |
| 06:29:03 | midgey | personally, i have it modified to be in .rockbox, but obviously thats my build, my preference |
| 06:29:31 | midgey | it just seems we get an extraordinary amount of people asking for help because of a missing base wad |
| 06:29:58 | midgey | if we moved it to .rockbox/doom couldnt we ship the base wad with each build? |
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| 06:30:33 | kkurbjun | yep, I do feel that consistancy is important though and if it's decided that it should be put in .rockbox then I have no problems with that either. I don't know what the license of the shareware wad is |
| 06:30:53 | kkurbjun | rockdoom.wad is free though |
| 06:31:26 | midgey | i meant rockdoom.wad, but it would be kind of interesting to ship the shareware or freedoom as well |
| 06:31:34 | midgey | assuming the licenses work |
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| 06:33:42 | kkurbjun | yeah, it could be interesting, I think it would double the size fo the zip at the least though and doom seems somewhat controversial for some people |
| 06:34:57 | midgey | that makes sense |
| 06:35:37 | kkurbjun | more errors to fix |
| 06:36:18 | midgey | eh, freedoom is huge, maybe thats not a good one to ship (6.8 MiB) |
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| 06:38:09 | midgey | btw, i'd like to congratulate on what may be the highest score ever |
| 06:38:19 | kkurbjun | haha |
| 06:38:20 | * | midgey thinks we need a scoreboard |
| 06:39:18 | jba | i wish i had discovered rockbox 2 years ago when i re-ripped all my oggs as mp3's to use in my ipod :( |
| 06:39:33 | jba | wonder if the version of lame i used back then did gapless encoding |
| 06:40:37 | scorche | oh wow... |
| 06:40:49 | jba | scorche ? |
| 06:40:54 | * | scorche gets out a beer for kkurbjun |
| 06:40:57 | midgey | : P |
| 06:41:10 | kkurbjun | : ), cheers |
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| 06:45:29 | scorche | kkurbjun: i am very impressed...you are going to have to tell me a whole story about that later on =P |
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| 06:46:09 | Sumguy21 | Ok, I can't get my .m4a files to show up n the database, anyone help? |
| 06:48:56 | Sumguy21 | ? |
| 06:49:18 | jba | did you buy them from itunes ? |
| 06:49:20 | jba | store |
| 06:49:42 | XavierGr | 42856? that might be indeed a new high score |
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| 06:49:54 | XavierGr | main devs will verify this tomorrow :P |
| 06:50:11 | scorche | XavierGr: i will be sure to bring it up....it is a big deal! |
| 06:50:15 | Sumguy21 | No, but they were put through itunes onto the ipod |
| 06:50:58 | dj-fu | are they aac m4a? |
| 06:51:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | midgey: Freedoom should be GPL, at the very least we can host a copy of the files ourself, but not include it in the .zip |
| 06:52:00 | midgey | sounds reasonable |
| 06:52:00 | Sumguy21 | I don't know. |
| 06:52:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockdoom.wad should probably be included though, since unlike the other .wad files that are interchangeable, it's necessary for everything. |
| 06:53:40 | Sumguy21 | Anyone have ideas? I kinda need to get the ipod back to my friend tomorrow |
| 06:53:43 | midgey | rockbox.zip would then have to include a /games/ dir |
| 06:54:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or rockdoom.wad could go in /.rockbox/doom/ |
| 06:54:44 | Sumguy21 | Anyone, please :) |
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| 06:55:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Sumguy21: I assume you've taken the newest CVS rockbox, deleted all the Database files, and then regenerated the database cleanly to try again? |
| 06:55:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | And, asking again barely over a minute since the last time, when nobody new has entered the room, is not going to increase your odds of getting answered, just annoying people. |
| 06:55:29 | Sumguy21 | Why CVS? |
| 06:55:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Sumguy21: Well, a new daily should be okay. |
| 06:55:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | But CVS is newer. |
| 06:56:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | And if you have a problem, the first step is always to ensure that it happens with a clean install of the newest official build. |
| 06:59:02 | Sumguy21 | No real official releases for the ipod, just daily builds and CVS. |
| 06:59:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | I didn't say "release" |
| 06:59:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | I said official build. |
| 06:59:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | As in, not using any unsupported or patched builds. |
| 06:59:32 | dj-fu | ;\ |
| 06:59:39 | dj-fu | way to argue the point Sumguy21 |
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| 07:03:06 | Sumguy21 | I thought you were helping, not arguing ¬_¬ |
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| 07:05:01 | Sumguy21 | Wel, downloading the lates CVS build worked, so thanks alot! :) |
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| 08:07:40 | kkurbjun | if anyone has a suggestion on the warnings left in cvs I would appreciate some feedback if you could just write it in the channel. I am guessing it's a 64 bit warning. I need to sleep right now, but I will look at it tomorrow. |
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| 08:12:07 | amiconn | kkurbjun: 64 bit warnings.... |
| 08:15:51 | amiconn | Also, the target checking in the Makefile could be made _way_ shorter |
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| 08:25:13 | webguest20 | Anyone here? |
| 08:25:59 | daurnimator | guess what |
| 08:26:07 | daurnimator | i got a fever |
| 08:26:12 | daurnimator | and the only prescription is... |
| 08:26:17 | daurnimator | more cowbell! |
| 08:26:56 | amiconn | kkurbjun: The problem is rather obvious. The code in question uses a pointer to store a file descriptor (i.e. an int) |
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| 08:29:22 | webguest20 | I have a little problem with WPS. In my WPS, I have a line with some spaces at the beginning. Those spaces are ignored. Like " %pc". How could I make the spaces appear? |
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| 08:32:31 | * | amiconn wonders how dehfgets() would work for real files |
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| 08:37:28 | amiconn | Ah, commit msg hints that it doesn't (yet) |
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| 08:49:53 | Seven | Hey Everyone, I was just curious to know if I could get a quick answer on the screendump. Will the screendump feature work with a dock that is connected to my pc via firewire? When it does the screendump does it detect something just being plugged in or does it actually detect if its usb/firewire? |
| 08:50:05 | Seven | The reason I ask is I'm having troubles getting the screendump feature to work with my iPod Color. |
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| 08:51:12 | amiconn | Firewire is not (yet) detected by rockbox at all |
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| 08:51:45 | Seven | so how does the screendump work? I thought maybe if it detected power being sent to it through the port on the bottom...? Because my dock has both usb & firewire |
| 08:52:02 | amiconn | No, it detects whether USB is connected |
| 08:52:26 | Seven | ok... I guess I need to go find my usb mini cable somewhere :p I just wanted to clear that up... thanks =) |
| 08:52:31 | daurnimator | would you guys rate cdparanoia highly? |
| 08:54:38 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Replacing fputc with a non-stream file function is trivial (just read() one byte). fputs can be replaced by rb->read_line() |
| 08:56:01 | amiconn | And if you replace the byte *inp in struct DEHFILE with a plain int (since you switched from streams to low-level file functions) and adapt the couple of places that uses ->inp or .inp, the 64 bit warnings should be gone as well |
| 08:56:08 | Seven | jeez, I didn't realize finding a usb mini cord would be so hard to find in my house... I know i have one that I used on my ti-84 calc somewhere. |
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| 08:56:42 | amiconn | Meh, of course I mean fgetc() and fgets() |
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| 08:57:12 | Bagder | 42816 points has to be a world record! ;-) |
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| 08:58:43 | scorche | Bagder: yes! |
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| 09:04:34 | Seven | Yay! i found oneo f my cords, now to see if this will work now |
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| 09:08:10 | Seven | Super, it works. :) |
| 09:09:06 | amiconn | kkurbjun: Note that you also need to adapt checks, because (int) fd == 0 is a valid file descriptor unlike (FILE*) fp == NULL |
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| 09:11:55 | petur | he? |
| 09:12:14 | petur | merging aliases? |
| 09:12:28 | Llorean | I'm thinking about it. |
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| 09:16:39 | petur | hahaha -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo |
| 09:19:17 | Seven- | ^ that was awesome. |
| 09:20:31 | petur | the man clearly knows how to edit video ;) |
| 09:20:56 | Seven- | eww... for some reason my opera browser doesn't like keepvid |
| 09:20:57 | Seven- | lol |
| 09:21:12 | Seven- | trying to get that video :p |
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| 09:22:25 | bluebrother | funny :) |
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| 09:37:05 | Gnelik | dan_a: Hi. Problems with geting HW documentation?? |
| 09:37:54 | dan_a | Gnelik: Yes. But we know how the scroll wheel works now :D |
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| 09:38:35 | Gnelik | dan_a: Wow! And how? |
| 09:38:58 | Bagder | you move it clockwise or counter clockwise! |
| 09:39:02 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 09:39:29 | dan_a | LOL! |
| 09:39:36 | Gnelik | :) |
| 09:39:41 | dan_a | Gnelik: Line 1344 of http://pastebin.ca/277207 |
| 09:40:14 | dan_a | But we haven't written a good working driver yet |
| 09:41:25 | * | Llorean throws an eraser at Bagder for that one. |
| 09:41:34 | Gnelik | dan_a: I told you thai it was gpio |
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| 09:42:09 | dan_a | I know. I forgot to enable the GPIOs before doing my test program |
| 09:42:32 | Gnelik | dna_a: why don't you commited it to cvs? |
| 09:43:28 | dan_a | Gnelik: The one on the pastebin doesn't work. The version I wrote doesn't work at all well |
| 09:45:34 | Gnelik | And you want to make one bootloader for all PP targets? |
| 09:46:37 | dan_a | Yes. That's just waiting for my girlfriend to bring my iPod charger back to the island I live on, so that I can test it on my 3G iPod. |
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| 09:47:40 | daurnimator | anyone? |
| 09:47:47 | daurnimator | arg |
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| 09:49:47 | Bob7k | haha, man, rockbox for ipod rocks, lol, guys know whare else to get more plugins? |
| 09:51:10 | Bagder | I don't think you can find any |
| 09:51:14 | Bob7k | oh |
| 09:51:42 | Bagder | there have been some out-of-cvs developed plugins, but they usually don't keep up with the pace in the long run |
| 09:52:02 | Bagder | and they certainly don't come prebuilt for all targets |
| 09:52:24 | Bob7k | anyway, its pretty fun, how can i put a plugin at an easier place, like the root directory, i like the ocilator one |
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| 09:52:45 | Bagder | you can put them whereever you like |
| 09:52:48 | Bob7k | how? |
| 09:53:04 | Bagder | how do you copy other files? |
| 09:53:09 | Bob7k | i just put it on the ipod an hour ago |
| 09:53:14 | Bob7k | yea, ill try that |
| 09:53:24 | Llorean | Just move the .rock file for the plugin wherever you want it to be. |
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| 10:06:59 | Bob7k | ok |
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| 10:38:31 | Genre9mp3 | petur: I love that video! :) |
| 10:39:21 | muesli__ | which one? |
| 10:39:25 | Genre9mp3 | especially the fact that he is dressed like a pianist while playing drums, and as a drummer while playing the piano! heh |
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| 10:39:58 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo |
| 10:46:54 | muesli__ | is that oetur? |
| 10:47:06 | muesli__ | :) |
| 10:47:10 | muesli__ | petur |
| 10:50:04 | Genre9mp3 | petur just gave the link earlier in the channel |
| 10:50:34 | Genre9mp3 | but who knows??? :) |
| 10:50:42 | muesli__ | ;) |
| 10:51:12 | muesli__ | i like that one http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQlfeEb55iU |
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| 10:52:18 | Genre9mp3 | haha... athletic spirit |
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| 10:59:59 | * | n1s mutters about useless feature requests |
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| 11:00:34 | JdGordon | whic in particular? |
| 11:00:43 | n1s | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6431 |
| 11:01:04 | Bagder | haha |
| 11:01:22 | Bagder | "it'd be nice"... |
| 11:02:41 | bluebrother | I already thought about closing it because it won't be possible until we can use the broadcom chip |
| 11:03:02 | bluebrother | maybe we should add a note like here: http://flyspray.psi-im.org/ |
| 11:03:32 | JdGordon | ha |
| 11:03:46 | JdGordon | and the same on the forums about not posting anythging tha shuold be on fs |
| 11:03:55 | JdGordon | and then we wll have no new posts on either :D |
| 11:04:03 | bluebrother | but possibly direct questions also to this channel |
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| 11:04:40 | n1s | bluebrother: sounds like a good idea, but it will probably scare away some reporters, like the ones that can't be bothered to sign up for a flyspray account :-) |
| 11:05:18 | bluebrother | maybe that scares some away, but I think it will help greatly to keep FS clean (and make it a way better tool) |
| 11:05:34 | bluebrother | I'm not scared about scared users ;-) |
| 11:05:57 | n1s | yes, since most "bug" reports are vague at best and they never repy to clarify. |
| 11:06:48 | bluebrother | I guess it would especially scare reporters away like FS #6429 |
| 11:07:09 | bluebrother | that guy even set a due date *urgh* |
| 11:08:02 | scorche | bluebrother: the issue is that we usually tell the people on the forums that it is the incorrect place to put bugs/requests (although it widely varies by case)...if we do that, we would have to also change our typical forum policy |
| 11:08:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:08:26 | Bagder | it'd require more devs to read the forums |
| 11:08:39 | Bagder | and I don't see that happening |
| 11:08:55 | bluebrother | do we really need devs to read the forums for that? |
| 11:09:10 | scorche | i wouldnt say so....expert and up |
| 11:09:16 | bluebrother | I think it would be sufficient to have some guys with a good knowledge of Rockbox around |
| 11:09:23 | Bagder | true |
| 11:09:44 | bluebrother | as I believe they are better deciding if something qualifies as bug or not than the average user |
| 11:10:39 | bluebrother | currently there in fact are discussions about unexpected behaviour, and if it turns out to be a bug the reporter usually gets directed to FS. |
| 11:11:13 | bluebrother | most users tend to scream "bug" even if they don't know if that's maybe a feature |
| 11:12:09 | scorche | we should enact a strict policy regardless though, as we dont have one atm and as i said before, the responses can vary |
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| 11:13:58 | bluebrother | scorche, agreed. |
| 11:15:04 | scorche | might have to make this a topic under forum business to discuss it among those who *do |
| 11:15:08 | scorche | * check the forums |
| 11:15:46 | bluebrother | good idea |
| 11:16:08 | scorche | hrm...i just noticed the flyspray # quicksearch on the sidebar...nice |
| 11:18:50 | * | Genre9mp3 just actually used that for the first time to go to FS #6429 :) |
| 11:22:55 | scorche | bluebrother: done |
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| 11:24:01 | n1s | Aha! secret forums ;-) |
| 11:24:20 | bluebrother | hehe ... the secrets of Rockbox ;-) |
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| 11:24:41 | * | scorche mutters about the secret dev ml |
| 11:24:50 | bluebrother | anyway, will look into this later, work to do |
| 11:26:01 | n1s | anyone up for testing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 ? |
| 11:33:40 | JdGordon | why cant we leave that optio therE? |
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| 11:36:45 | JdGordon | scorche: would the ml be a better place? I thought the devs dont look at the forums very often |
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| 11:37:22 | n1s | JdGordon: sure we can, but imo the option is fairly useless, if on it improves batterylife and increases spinup time slightly, if you want fast browsing you can always use dircache. |
| 11:38:11 | scorche | JdGordon: they dont typically, but this is more a matter of how to handle it in the forums...the devs will see the tracker which could be potentially much cleaner from this |
| 11:38:17 | n1s | Also the option wasn't there from the begginning, it was added to diagnose crashes on some players. |
| 11:40:09 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the same logic we can remove the disk spindown setting, too |
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| 11:40:44 | Bagder | not really |
| 11:40:48 | n1s | Genre9mp3: maybe, but let's not get carried away |
| 11:40:53 | Bagder | the spindown time is depending on how you use the player |
| 11:41:14 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 11:41:14 | NJoin | preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 11:41:33 | n1s | anyway this patch will never be committed since no one ever wants to test it :-/ |
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| 11:42:11 | Genre9mp3 | actually, I was implying the opposite... (keep both settings) |
| 11:42:26 | Genre9mp3 | but changing the default value for disk poweroff |
| 11:42:47 | Bagder | I think we all agree on the change of the default value |
| 11:42:52 | JdGordon | is the sansa a ums player with the OF ? |
| 11:42:55 | NJoin | FauxFaux [0] (n=faux@pdpc/supporter/active/FauxFaux) |
| 11:43:02 | Bagder | JdGordon: if set to be, yes |
| 11:43:28 | * | petur wonders how long it will take before the discussion of splitting settings comes up again |
| 11:43:34 | JdGordon | does it need its own stupid software to copy music onto it s they can be listened to? |
| 11:43:41 | * | JdGordon 's dad wants to get one |
| 11:43:43 | Bagder | no |
| 11:43:47 | JdGordon | h good |
| 11:43:56 | JdGordon | s/h/oh |
| 11:44:12 | Bagder | although you can't navigate the OF using anything but their database mode |
| 11:44:19 | n1s | The thing is that we have _lots_ of options and users always want to have more AND a simple interface wich doesn't exactly go hand in hand, so removing options that no one really use is ggod IMO to make things simpler and make room for other option. |
| 11:44:56 | jba | hey guys today i read on the wiki about how to boot ipod original firmware, but can't find the link or the page in the manual |
| 11:45:00 | * | JdGordon votes for more options |
| 11:45:04 | jba | anhyone know off the top of their head? |
| 11:45:10 | scorche | n1s: yes, but every option has a purpose |
| 11:45:13 | JdGordon | menu while booting iirc |
| 11:45:19 | scorche | hold it |
| 11:45:42 | n1s | scorche: yes, and the purpose of this option was to diagnose a now fixed crash. |
| 11:45:43 | jba | and menu while usb pluging just uses usb for chargin (did i remember right)? |
| 11:46:06 | scorche | jba: yes |
| 11:46:15 | scorche | as in it wont force a reboot into disk mode |
| 11:46:24 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: I think that the system options are well organised in the menu...also, the disk poweroff in under the disk options... I can't think of anyone complaining about this |
| 11:46:24 | jba | good good |
| 11:46:37 | jba | how long does updating the database take? hours or minutes? |
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| 11:47:01 | scorche | jba: depends on what you have on the device...but i would go with minutes ;) |
| 11:47:14 | Genre9mp3 | n1sL Also, maybe someone prefers this slightest faster spin up... you never know |
| 11:47:19 | jba | scorche, i don't remember reading if it tells you when it's done |
| 11:47:20 | jba | does it? |
| 11:47:22 | n1s | Genre9mp3: I don't agree with the "let's have an option for that just 'cause we can" thing. |
| 11:47:55 | scorche | n1s: yes...if that is indeed the case, then i suppose it should be removed...but i would leave that up to Bagder and the swedes as far as committing and the decision goes |
| 11:47:56 | jba | if you guys subscribe to havoc penington's views on UI design, you should err on the side of not having an option |
| 11:48:00 | jba | less is more in ui design |
| 11:48:27 | crashd | jba: and if they dont... ;) |
| 11:48:41 | n1s | Genre9mp3: the users that wants a fraction of a second faster spin up over longer battery life is most likely in a minority I'd say. |
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| 11:48:57 | scorche | jba: you can check its progress in the debug menu, but you can tell simply from the disk access stopping |
| 11:49:12 | jba | disk access has stopped |
| 11:49:15 | jba | i should reboot? |
| 11:49:25 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: maybe someone that doesn't want to use dircache? |
| 11:49:29 | n1s | scorche: yes, that's what I'm doing, and LinusN said it had to be tested on all affected targets and that's where we are now, testing. |
| 11:49:32 | scorche | yes...but shutdown and start back up again |
| 11:50:52 | scorche | n1s: alright...i was musing on your remove options in general line though |
| 11:51:22 | jba | -1% progress, initialized: yes, ready: no |
| 11:51:37 | scorche | then it is finished |
| 11:52:13 | n1s | scorche: yes of course we should take care to keep what is wanted/used/neccesary, I'm not going to go on an option killing crusade ;-) |
| 11:52:26 | scorche | good =) |
| 11:53:13 | jba | okay guys off to watch episode two of heros |
| 11:54:30 | Genre9mp3 | btw... If this option gets removed eventually, prepare for a wave of "where disk poweroff go? I wan't back my better battery life" posts! :P |
| 11:55:12 | scorche | lets kill doom while we are at it >=) |
| 11:55:20 | * | n1s puts on the tireless support helmet Paul_the_Nerd left lying around on the floor |
| 11:55:42 | * | petur points out that Paul changed nick |
| 11:55:55 | n1s | oh?, sneaky |
| 11:56:05 | scorche | not really... |
| 11:56:13 | scorche | it was actually to be less sneaky |
| 11:56:36 | petur | 09.11.38 Nick Paul_the_Nerd is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) |
| 11:57:17 | n1s | ah, ok wasn't so sneaky, thought maybe he was webguestXX or something :-) |
| 11:57:46 | scorche | exactly...he wanted his cloak to be the double-l as well |
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| 11:59:49 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Pushing your commit stats? ;) |
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| 12:00:20 | petur | lol |
| 12:00:40 | n1s | amiconn: commenting out unused functions/staticing in tremor saves about 2k on coldfire and 3k on ipods |
| 12:00:51 | Genre9mp3 | really...is there such a page anywhere? |
| 12:03:01 | Genre9mp3 | petur: regarding the file properties.. do you think it would worth/be easy to add an exit button while scanning a folder? |
| 12:03:26 | JdGordon | very easy to do |
| 12:03:38 | JdGordon | action_userabort(); will do it |
| 12:03:45 | JdGordon | well, will do the check |
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| 12:04:26 | * | n1s wants that fore directory delete too |
| 12:04:27 | Genre9mp3 | yesterday I did that on my Music folder and got trapped in there for about 10-15 sec |
| 12:04:34 | petur | Genre9mp3: it already shoud respond to stop |
| 12:04:43 | petur | *should |
| 12:04:44 | Genre9mp3 | really? |
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| 12:05:16 | Genre9mp3 | petur: let me check again |
| 12:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | petur: no... |
| 12:05:44 | petur | bah |
| 12:05:49 | Genre9mp3 | I pushed every single button |
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| 12:06:06 | petur | it used to :/ something got borked |
| 12:07:00 | petur | colorfull cvs table btw... |
| 12:07:12 | Genre9mp3 | only reset would stop it from scanning the folder ;) |
| 12:07:49 | petur | let me check the code |
| 12:07:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: :) Feel free to add auto-detection to it... |
| 12:08:24 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:08:57 | JdGordon | new high scroew... 42856 must be a record |
| 12:08:57 | linuxstb | What you were suggesting last night - scanning the available drives to locate the ipod. |
| 12:09:11 | amiconn | Ah, that |
| 12:09:26 | petur | JdGordon: get more batteries :p |
| 12:09:35 | JdGordon | shoosh you! |
| 12:11:17 | * | scorche thinks about blaming his typos on his keyboard too |
| 12:11:52 | petur | Genre9mp3: I'll check tonight, stkov atm |
| 12:12:07 | JdGordon | I tihnk Konversation adds the typos in.... typing anywhere else is fine :D |
| 12:12:27 | Genre9mp3 | petur: sure... just wanted to point you this, not a big deal for me really |
| 12:12:45 | JdGordon | petur: ill have a look into it for you... im bored |
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| 12:14:42 | n1s | JdGordon: Are the button defines in gwps.h needed anymore? |
| 12:14:56 | JdGordon | n1s: remove them and find out :D |
| 12:15:02 | JdGordon | I doubt it tho |
| 12:15:07 | JdGordon | the ones in menu.h are tho |
| 12:15:10 | petur | nick highlighting and backspace really don't work well together in the webclient :/ |
| 12:15:12 | JdGordon | I thnik |
| 12:17:21 | JdGordon | petur: it looks like the get_action() cal is in the wrong place |
| 12:17:25 | JdGordon | call |
| 12:17:37 | petur | yes, it should be outside the if() |
| 12:17:51 | JdGordon | easy fix :) |
| 12:19:13 | petur | if you're sooo bored, have a look at the bugtracker, plenty of stuff to do there :p |
| 12:19:29 | JdGordon | most of that is beyond me :( |
| 12:19:47 | JdGordon | or I dont have the right target to even touch it |
| 12:19:53 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I saw on the forum that you once started having a look at cuesheet support |
| 12:20:13 | JdGordon | yeah, It wont work well with the current playlist code |
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| 12:20:32 | Nico_P | and what if we don't integrate it in the playlist code ? |
| 12:20:43 | JdGordon | it wont be able to be used |
| 12:20:49 | JdGordon | i mean it cant be done any other way |
| 12:20:49 | Nico_P | have you looked at the wiki page i've created ? |
| 12:20:54 | JdGordon | no |
| 12:20:56 | JdGordon | which? |
| 12:21:22 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CuesheetSupport |
| 12:21:59 | Nico_P | what do you mean by "it cant be done any other way" ? are you suggesting you tried something else and it failed ? |
| 12:22:17 | n1s | JdGordon: Nothing complains with those defines removed and the sim is no more broken than usual. |
| 12:22:27 | JdGordon | thats the easy way of getting out of it... checking the wiki page now |
| 12:22:37 | JdGordon | haha at the last part |
| 12:24:09 | Nico_P | which one ? |
| 12:24:15 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I reckon the foobar2k way is more correct.. but I dont think the playlist engine (without some pretty evil hacking) would be happy with either |
| 12:24:24 | JdGordon | the haha was at n1s |
| 12:24:34 | Nico_P | ok |
| 12:24:44 | Nico_P | i must say i have a preference for the amarok way |
| 12:24:51 | JdGordon | I dont know the playlist code all that well, so I could be wrong |
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| 12:25:34 | n1s | The sim and 64 bit has not really become good friends yet :-) |
| 12:25:36 | Nico_P | i mean from a purely user-ish point of view... |
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| 12:26:31 | Nico_P | so what did you do ? you were talking about a CUE file parser in the forums... |
| 12:26:44 | JdGordon | I think not allowing shuffling would be a waste, I see cue's as a nice way of storing full cds, and sometimes its nice to listen to a bunch of cds on random |
| 12:27:19 | JdGordon | I first thought about hackig the filename in the playlist and adding some code to seek that, but decided tats a bad idea |
| 12:28:00 | JdGordon | are there any playlist formats that support cue files? |
| 12:28:07 | JdGordon | m2u doesnt iirc |
| 12:28:10 | JdGordon | m3u* |
| 12:28:23 | Nico_P | not that i'm aware of |
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| 12:33:14 | Nico_P | what about implementing it separately in the first place and then trying to make it fir nicely with the playlist system ? |
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| 12:34:52 | JdGordon | Im sure it could be done with a plugin (assuming plugins have basic track seeking capalilites) |
| 12:35:15 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 12:35:51 | JdGordon | it does |
| 12:36:09 | Nico_P | plugins can seek ? |
| 12:36:18 | JdGordon | audio_ff_rewind() |
| 12:37:00 | JdGordon | doing it as a rock wouldnt allow it to work with the current playlist tho, but better than notihg |
| 12:37:08 | Nico_P | so you're suggesting it could be done entirely in a plugin ? |
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| 12:37:56 | JdGordon | 80% sure it could. |
| 12:38:16 | Nico_P | ok, but then nothing can be added to the WPS ? |
| 12:38:41 | JdGordon | not nessacerily |
| 12:39:11 | JdGordon | depends where the wps gets the info from |
| 12:39:56 | JdGordon | actually... proablby not |
| 12:40:15 | JdGordon | not sure how buttons would work if we left the plugin |
| 12:41:25 | JdGordon | got it! |
| 12:42:20 | Nico_P | ? |
| 12:43:35 | JdGordon | I _think_ I can do the entire cue handlin in a tsr plugin, which means you would go back t the wps, and it would fake some of the info |
| 12:44:13 | JdGordon | in the playlist viewer it would look like 1 track |
| 12:45:35 | * | JdGordon grabs a fresh cvs and starts playing |
| 12:45:41 | Nico_P | :) |
| 12:46:22 | Nico_P | what would go against putting it all in the core ? too much bin size added for only a few users ? |
| 12:47:14 | JdGordon | the way it will be done is fairly hacky... to be put in the core I think the playlist engine should be fixed to support it properly (each playlist entry would have a start/end time and file) |
| 12:47:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What exactly would your tsr plugin do? What happens if the user is in a plugin already when the cuefile needs parsing? Or tries to use a plugin whilst playing a file with cuesheet? |
| 12:48:00 | markun | JdGordon: and then maybe treat the .cue files as a virtual dir? |
| 12:48:48 | Nico_P | IMHO having a separate "cuesheet viewer" instead of combning them with playlists is not that hacky |
| 12:49:11 | * | linuxstb would prefer the concept of "sub-tracks"/chapter points - i.e. keep playlists as they are. |
| 12:49:28 | linuxstb | And accept the fact that .m3u playlists can't specify sub-tracks. |
| 12:49:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i think we agree |
| 12:49:45 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the tsr would read the .cue and make a new playlist with the one file, start a new thread and drop bck to the wps. the actio ahdnelr would get a callback which lets tsr plugins get button presses before the callee which would let it know when to ff/rwd. if anything wants the plugin buffer it will exit leaving the 1 file playlist |
| 12:49:51 | JdGordon | markun: virtual dir? |
| 12:50:07 | markun | JdGordon: yes, so you can add individual subtracks |
| 12:50:41 | Nico_P | JdGordon: would you mind sharing what you already have so i can play a bit on my side ? |
| 12:50:46 | * | linuxstb would prefer it in the core. |
| 12:50:58 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I have an idea and a blank cvs tree :p |
| 12:51:16 | linuxstb | It's not just cuesheets - it's chapters in .mp4 files, multiple-track SIDs, chained Ogg files... |
| 12:51:19 | Nico_P | :) i thought you already had the parser |
| 12:51:30 | JdGordon | I tihnk I lost that ages ago |
| 12:52:23 | markun | linuxstb: the gigabeat port is so close.. |
| 12:52:40 | linuxstb | markun: But...? |
| 12:52:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i totally agree |
| 12:52:57 | Nico_P | linuxstb: have you read the wiki page about cuesheets ? |
| 12:53:05 | markun | linuxstb: audio is still a problem. We pass the samples to the I2S fifo but they come out as static |
| 12:53:13 | JdGordon | side topic... how impossible would it be to use the RAM in 1kb chunks so we could have malloc? (i.e codecs would grab a chunk and playback would store an array of the next few chunks to play? ) |
| 12:53:59 | markun | linuxstb: I thought it might be a endian problem but using swap16 doesn't solve anything |
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| 12:57:53 | JdGordon | markun: where is virtual dirs used so I can have look? |
| 12:58:06 | markun | nowhere I think |
| 12:58:24 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 12:58:34 | n1s | ondio MMC? |
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| 13:04:02 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Out of curiosity... does the Gigabeat have USBOTG? |
| 13:04:21 | markun | Genre9mp3: it has a USB host and USB device controller |
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| 13:04:33 | markun | but only available on the cradle |
| 13:04:51 | markun | and both only USB 1.1 |
| 13:05:09 | Genre9mp3 | both!? |
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| 13:06:14 | markun | Genre9mp3: yes, the device controller is used for the MTP mode and the host controller to transfer things from a UMS device (like a camera) |
| 13:07:00 | markun | and then the Gigabeat also has a USB 2.0 USB2ATA bridge |
| 13:07:14 | Genre9mp3 | It has a proprietary connection? |
| 13:07:18 | markun | no |
| 13:07:21 | * | JdGordon is thinking it might be possible to store track position info with playlist entry filenames without much hacking |
| 13:07:31 | Genre9mp3 | markun: ok |
| 13:07:34 | Genre9mp3 | thanks |
| 13:08:14 | markun | Genre9mp3: mini-USB B connectors for the bridge and device controller and normal USB A for the host controller |
| 13:08:36 | * | JdGordon does magic voodoo to get hardeep in here |
| 13:12:27 | JdGordon | Would decreasing the maximum amount of playlist entries to 134million instead of 268million be acceptable to add cue support? |
| 13:14:20 | n1s | maybe, but i guess users would want an option. :-D |
| 13:14:20 | Nico_P | it does seem acceptable :) |
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| 13:14:44 | * | JdGordon doubts anyone has that many tracks anyway |
| 13:15:29 | JdGordon | I'm thinking that start and end track positions can be stored in the filename buffer after the track name.. the decrease is because another flag bit is needed |
| 13:16:47 | JdGordon | not entirely sure how to implement this tho |
| 13:17:11 | n1s | kurbjunk == kkurbjun ? |
| 13:18:12 | n1s | anyway i the previous statement is true, then you have some yellow in the builds. |
| 13:19:03 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: have you done any testing with your latest changes to ipodpatcher on an 80G 5.5 at all ? |
| 13:19:55 | JdGordon | does anyone know which function the playback engine calls to get the next track to buffer? |
| 13:20:19 | GodEater_Web | I've just tried it out on mine - and it's complaining it can't see the Apple copyright stuff - yet dumping the partition out with dd and opening it up in a hexeditor shows it's there |
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| 13:27:18 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Only the Windows version correctly detects the sector size at the moment. What OS are you using? |
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| 13:32:17 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: If you're not using Windows, change the value assigned to sector_size in ipod_open in ipodio-posix.c to 2048. Or even better, work out the ioctl() needed to detect the sector size and submit a patch... |
| 13:32:25 | * | linuxstb goes for lunch |
| 13:34:00 | GodEater_Web | I'll see what I can do :) |
| 13:34:32 | JdGordon | Nico_P: message on the dev mailing list... need to recruit someone who knows the playback engine |
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| 13:40:08 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what is the problem ? |
| 13:40:35 | JdGordon | getting the playback engine to buffer only the requested part of the track |
| 13:40:44 | JdGordon | also the playlist cde is confusing me |
| 13:40:49 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 13:41:18 | Bagder | so what unit does cue files normally use? |
| 13:41:27 | Bagder | ms? sample number? byte index? |
| 13:41:39 | JdGordon | hr:mm:ss |
| 13:41:52 | Bagder | second resolution? |
| 13:42:25 | Nico_P | actually it's MM:SS:FR (minute-second-frame) |
| 13:42:42 | Bagder | still a pain to find at run-time |
| 13:42:49 | JdGordon | better than nothing |
| 13:43:11 | Nico_P | Bagder: can't it be done as if the user was seeking ? |
| 13:43:16 | Bagder | JdGordon: I'm not so sure about that |
| 13:43:17 | JdGordon | if we store ms offset it will be relativly easy to sek on all formats |
| 13:43:44 | Bagder | Nico_P: yes I bet, but it is quite an operation |
| 13:44:05 | Nico_P | i don't quite realize what would be involved |
| 13:44:21 | Bagder | codecs with VBR |
| 13:44:25 | JdGordon | well, it would only happen if the user actually loaded a cue (or any bookmarkable) file |
| 13:46:26 | Bagder | still, there's no such support today to load a given track and fast forward to a specific point and then only load a certain amount from there |
| 13:46:40 | JdGordon | how hard would that be to add? |
| 13:46:52 | Bagder | no idea |
| 13:47:12 | Bagder | given the problems we already have with playback, a guess would be fairly tricky |
| 13:47:31 | LinusN | actually, only a moron would use VBR with cue sheets |
| 13:47:52 | Bagder | we'd still have to support those morons, wouldn't we? |
| 13:48:09 | LinusN | we support a lot of morons, so why exclude them? :-) |
| 13:48:10 | JdGordon | well... not only cue sheets... any format which allows for chapters/bookmarks/sub tracks |
| 13:48:15 | JdGordon | haha |
| 13:48:26 | JdGordon | can that go on the golden quotes page? |
| 13:48:32 | LinusN | haha |
| 13:48:55 | LinusN | be my guest |
| 13:49:14 | JdGordon | more asking because might not like the idea of one of those morons reading it :D |
| 13:49:49 | obo | lets hope they don't use WMA either... |
| 13:49:58 | preglow | LinusN: why? if you ask me, only a moron would use mp3 cbr at all |
| 13:50:01 | Bagder | cue support with WMA! |
| 13:50:07 | Bagder | the ulitimate combo |
| 13:50:50 | Bagder | and then I wanna fast forward back and forth over the track change points, with sound! |
| 13:51:06 | LinusN | preglow: because it is a PITA to seek to a specific point in time |
| 13:51:30 | preglow | LinusN: sure, but good players support it, so why shouldn't people use it? |
| 13:51:51 | amiconn | cue sheet != good |
| 13:51:57 | LinusN | so bad players, like rockbox, can support cue sheets? |
| 13:52:02 | preglow | using mp3 at all is braindead, imho :> |
| 13:52:05 | obo | I guess there won't be any interest in a half written QT4 gui installer now that rbutil is in CVS? |
| 13:52:06 | amiconn | cue sheets are a strange inventuion |
| 13:52:22 | Bagder | cue sheet == hack to solve the gapless problem |
| 13:52:47 | LinusN | which we don't have |
| 13:52:52 | preglow | well, given the fact that people just were not able to code gapless support at all in the old days (some still arenn't), i think it's an ok solution |
| 13:52:52 | Bagder | exactly |
| 13:52:56 | preglow | not very nice, but hell |
| 13:53:15 | preglow | obo: you might be right there |
| 13:53:30 | obo | that's what I thought :( |
| 13:53:44 | preglow | obo: people still might use it if it's good, of course, i've never seen it |
| 13:54:34 | preglow | but no, i'm afraid vbr with cue is rather common |
| 13:54:36 | obo | obo.gotdns.org:8080/volcano.tar.bz2">http://obo.gotdns.org:8080/volcano.tar.bz2 |
| 13:54:49 | obo | oops, :8000 instead |
| 13:54:49 | preglow | so if we're going to support cue sheets at all, we should support that too |
| 13:54:59 | preglow | but that will involve a rather lengthy scan of the whole file |
| 13:55:40 | JdGordon | guys... I'm not asking for cue support... rather support for adding tracks in other tracks, format sholdnt make any difference |
| 13:56:27 | Nico_P | i'd like to discuss this with you guys, but i have to go to class :( |
| 13:56:30 | Nico_P | already late |
| 13:56:33 | preglow | sure, if you're going to ignore the technical difficulties it doesn't matter |
| 13:56:34 | preglow | but it does matter |
| 13:57:33 | JdGordon | the difficulties are the buffering between the two points.. and they are done generically for all formats right? |
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| 13:59:23 | amiconn | preglow: Why not just split mp3+cue into individual mp3s? I don't get it... |
| 13:59:45 | petur | mp3directcut can do it |
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| 14:00:20 | Bagder | that doesn't work for other multitrack formats though |
| 14:00:59 | preglow | amiconn: dunno, i only have very few cue/mp3 files and can bear to seek |
| 14:01:05 | petur | maybe also an issue if you want to use the same files with a player that doesn't do gapless |
| 14:01:20 | preglow | yeah, but i assume it was meant as a rockbox solution |
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| 14:01:41 | preglow | but anyway |
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| 14:01:48 | preglow | i doubt these splitter tools can split in the middle of a frame |
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| 14:01:52 | preglow | or can they? |
| 14:02:06 | JdGordon | probably not |
| 14:02:26 | amiconn | preglow: No, I think they will do what lame -nogap does |
| 14:02:53 | preglow | amiconn: exactly, and your track switch points will then possibly sound different |
| 14:03:02 | preglow | i've known people to complain over less :> |
| 14:03:41 | LinusN | i don't get it. why even try to split in the middle of a frame? |
| 14:04:42 | Bagder | because the song switch might be in the middle? |
| 14:04:51 | preglow | very possible |
| 14:04:58 | preglow | cd frame sizes are not the same as mp3 frame sizes |
| 14:05:00 | preglow | not even close |
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| 14:05:43 | petur | how long is an mp3 frame anyway? |
| 14:05:56 | preglow | 1152 samples |
| 14:06:02 | preglow | per channel |
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| 14:07:50 | amiconn | ...for MPEG version 1 |
| 14:08:01 | amiconn | version 2 and 2.5 frames are 576 samples |
| 14:08:20 | amiconn | Layer 2 frames are 1152 samples, always |
| 14:08:31 | preglow | i was speaking primarily in the context of cue files |
| 14:08:38 | preglow | which are cd images, thus 44.1khz, thus layer1 |
| 14:08:42 | preglow | ehh, version 1 |
| 14:09:18 | petur | so the resolution is 26ms - not that bad is it? |
| 14:09:38 | amiconn | Yes, and the maximum 'error' hence is ~13ms |
| 14:09:45 | amiconn | (+/-) |
| 14:09:50 | JdGordon | which is too small to notice |
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| 14:09:57 | preglow | nah, not by far |
| 14:10:01 | preglow | but it depends on the material |
| 14:10:23 | preglow | unlikely it is, impossible, no |
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| 14:12:03 | JdGordon | OK, im thouroughyly confused by the plalist code.. how does it store the filename of any track inserted other than dirplay ? |
| 14:12:33 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Back to your question (buffering part of a file), the short answer is that you can't. The codec itself is responsible for seeking, the playback engine knows nothing about the data it's loading. |
| 14:13:02 | JdGordon | ok, but cant the codec be told where to seek and how much to buffer on load? |
| 14:14:32 | GodEater_Web | is there somewhere on the wiki which gives info on posting patches ? |
| 14:14:46 | GodEater_Web | I've got something which appears to work out the sectorsize ok |
| 14:15:06 | GodEater_Web | or do you want to check it out first linuxstb ? |
| 14:15:46 | amiconn | JdGordon: It doesn't store filenames, that's the whole magic behind it needing very little ram, and being very fast |
| 14:15:58 | petur | GodEater_Web: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 14:16:20 | petur | and more specific http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 14:16:26 | JdGordon | amiconn: what does it store? |
| 14:16:28 | GodEater_Web | thanks :) |
| 14:17:17 | JdGordon | it doesnt seem to store anything |
| 14:17:18 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: I'm happy to just take it directly from you though. Are you against giving me your real name so I can add you to the Rockbox credits file? |
| 14:17:33 | LinusN | JdGordon: the relative index in the playlist file (but queued filed are stored in .rockbox/.playlist_control) |
| 14:17:56 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Also, what OS are you using? Linux? Any idea if your patch will work on other Unix variants? |
| 14:19:13 | * | JdGordon gives up :p |
| 14:19:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The codec can be told to seek, but it's the playback code that does the loading... What you're suggesting isn't possible unless the playback engine becomes aware of file formats (which isn't a bad thing). |
| 14:20:41 | GodEater_Web | linuxstd: Linux yes - from what I can tell it appears to be standard posix ioctl() call - so it SHOULD work on other *nix - but I have no others to test against |
| 14:20:59 | JdGordon | the codecs dont just have a generic seek() function which could be called on load? (or a start/end point pased to the codec onl load?) |
| 14:21:07 | GodEater_Web | what category should I use for it btw, Bootloader ? |
| 14:21:10 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: I can try it on Mac OS X. I think we have some BSD users around as well. |
| 14:21:11 | JdGordon | I dont understand why it would be format dependant |
| 14:21:34 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Bootloader sounds fine. |
| 14:23:44 | GodEater_Web | um - ok - it's on Flyspray I think |
| 14:24:17 | GodEater_Web | FS #6433 |
| 14:24:57 | LinusN | JdGordon: it might be difficult for the playback engine to know how much to buffer |
| 14:25:20 | Kasperle | you include linux/fs.h. that'll surely break bsd compatibility ;) |
| 14:25:40 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:25:45 | GodEater_Web | um - good spot |
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| 14:26:05 | GodEater_Web | I'll have a hunt and see if those symbols are defined elsewhere |
| 14:26:18 | JdGordon | does the codec seeking work on time offsets or file position? |
| 14:26:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Time offsets. |
| 14:26:55 | JdGordon | ok, so where is the problem? |
| 14:27:08 | Kasperle | and a ioctl named BLKSSZGET does not seem to exist on freebsd either |
| 14:27:20 | JdGordon | the playback would just do codec_load(file, start, end)... or something |
| 14:27:41 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The codec isn't running when the file is being loaded... |
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| 14:28:47 | JdGordon | no, but it could store those 2 offsets somewhere untill its ready to buffer, or playback could send them when codec is ready |
| 14:29:12 | Bagder | JdGordon: then it would have to load lots of data it'd never play |
| 14:29:27 | Bagder | the loading is done before the codec is loaded |
| 14:29:33 | JdGordon | oh |
| 14:29:41 | LinusN | but it doesn't have to be like that |
| 14:29:51 | * | JdGordon should stay out of things he obviously knows nothing about |
| 14:30:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: still you have identified some issues that should go to the cuesheet wiki page |
| 14:31:35 | linuxstb | It's also not just a matter of extracting part of the data from the middle of the file. Most formats rely on information in the file header. That's why I think we should forget about adding sub-tracks individually to the playlist, and just deal with the whole file. |
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| 14:32:36 | JdGordon | so wouldnt that format then read the header, then skip as expected tt he start of the subtrack? |
| 14:32:37 | linuxstb | At least until we have container-format parsing separated from the codecs themselves, allowing the playback engine to be more intelligent when buffering. |
| 14:32:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, but the codecs don't access the disk - they can only access data in the audio buffer. |
| 14:33:15 | GodEater_Web | I changed the patch to get the ioctl from sys/mount.h |
| 14:33:15 | JdGordon | Oh, damn, more complexity :p |
| 14:33:47 | GodEater_Web | Kasperle: can you have a look and see if you have that one kicking around in BSD somewhere ? |
| 14:33:48 | petur | GodEater_Web: [14:27] <Kasperle> and a ioctl named BLKSSZGET does not seem to exist on freebsd either |
| 14:33:55 | GodEater_Web | yeah I saw that :) |
| 14:34:28 | * | petur goes minding his own business |
| 14:35:01 | GodEater_Web | although a quick google appears to indicate you have to use a different approach on BSD - curses. |
| 14:36:36 | LinusN | i curse a lot when things don't work :-P |
| 14:36:41 | Bagder | what about st_blksize ? |
| 14:36:57 | Bagder | or is that too highlevel? |
| 14:37:06 | Kasperle | unfortunately i do not know how to go about it. |
| 14:37:18 | petur | followed by a round of forehead slapping :p |
| 14:37:22 | Bagder | "a filesystem-specific preferred I/O block size" |
| 14:38:06 | GodEater_Web | not that I have masses of experience, but I would say that sounds too high level |
| 14:38:20 | GodEater_Web | we're getting the size at the block device level, not filesystem |
| 14:38:27 | Bagder | ah, true |
| 14:40:36 | GodEater_Web | this page here : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Menu_Geometry (assuming the devs there know their stuff) would seem to indicate it's a different ioctl() call across several unix platforms. |
| 14:40:46 | GodEater_Web | So much for compatibility |
| 14:40:50 | Bagder | wouldn't surprise me |
| 14:40:59 | Bagder | there's no posix for those layers |
| 14:41:41 | GodEater_Web | so despite linuxstb's efforts in splitting out the io into two files, one for windows, and one for *nix, we're still going to end up in #ifdef hell |
| 14:41:59 | Bagder | I wouldn't call _that_ ifdef hell |
| 14:42:11 | GodEater_Web | well, true :) |
| 14:42:21 | GodEater_Web | but you know what I mean - it's messier than it could have been |
| 14:43:08 | GodEater_Web | right - I'd best pretend to do some work for a bit - if anyone else here's is running linux and has an 80G ipod, please let me know how you get on with the patch. |
| 14:43:16 | Kasperle | messy, easy way on freebsd could be fdisk /dev/devicefile, then grepping for a line like "Media sector size is 512" |
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| 14:43:33 | GodEater_Web | should I post about it in the 5.5g port thread, or let linuxstb do that ? |
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| 14:43:54 | Bagder | GodEater_Web: take your chance to show off! ;-) |
| 14:44:02 | GodEater_Web | hahaha ok |
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| 14:49:19 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: The new version of ipodpatcher doesn't actually do anything useful yet, and ipod_fw.c and the old ipodpatcher supported 2048-byte sectors (although I think ipod_fw.c's support is buggy which is why 30GB users can't load the Apple firmware). |
| 14:51:14 | GodEater_Web | oh well - too late now - I already posted - maybe a mod can remove it if they don't think it's hugely relevant yet |
| 14:51:37 | GodEater_Web | I'll try and tidy it up a bit later as well so that it will still compile on non-linux platforms |
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| 14:51:52 | linuxstb | Kasperle: If fdisk can tell the sector size, then we just need to look at the source to fdisk... |
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| 14:54:06 | Kasperle | good point ;) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/fdisk/fdisk.c?rev=1.82&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
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| 15:00:14 | linuxstb | Kasperle: Thanks. Looks like the get_params() function which does it - the DIOCGSECTORSIZE ioctl. |
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| 15:15:47 | * | pixelma hands out some lussekatter to anyone who knows what that is :) |
| 15:16:07 | Bagder | oooh |
| 15:16:12 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 15:16:36 | * | petur googles |
| 15:17:04 | pixelma | that's not a sort of beer :P |
| 15:17:18 | petur | nope... http://www.schwedenseite.de/rezepte_lussekatter.shtml |
| 15:17:29 | Bagder | http://www.matbilder.se/cd-julensmat/mb000308_mini.jpg |
| 15:21:14 | Genre9mp3 | seems yummy! |
| 15:22:18 | Bagder | they are |
| 15:22:32 | Bagder | goes perfect with "glögg" ;-) |
| 15:22:50 | pixelma | indeed :) |
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| 15:25:04 | n1s | pixelma: thanks ;-) |
| 15:25:58 | Genre9mp3 | oh yeah? I can use unknown words for you, too! |
| 15:26:13 | * | Genre9mp3 passes some kantaifi to anyone who knows what that is :P |
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| 15:28:10 | Kasperle | mhmmmm glögg |
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| 15:32:01 | * | Bg3r passes mousakka to Genre9mp3 |
| 15:32:04 | Bg3r | (some) |
| 15:34:03 | Genre9mp3 | heh... I'm supposed to pass that to you ;) |
| 15:34:55 | Bg3r | haha it depends ... it's a well known meal in Bulgaria too |
| 15:34:59 | Bg3r | and i love it |
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| 15:35:19 | Genre9mp3 | heh... well I would expect some Banitsa from you then |
| 15:35:32 | Bg3r | haha here you are :D |
| 15:35:57 | * | linuxstb offers some marmite around |
| 15:37:05 | * | Genre9mp3 changes topic to: "Cuisine from all over the world" |
| 15:37:07 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3: or maybe a pot of bg yogurt ? |
| 15:37:09 | Bg3r | hahaha |
| 15:39:27 | Genre9mp3 | tzatziki you mean? :P |
| 15:40:13 | Bg3r | this looks like "tarator" to me |
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| 15:55:55 | * | Bg3r reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastika and ROFLMAOs... |
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| 16:02:16 | Ave | cannot locate teh funny |
| 16:04:41 | Bg3r | it's pretty specific ... |
| 16:10:19 | Ave | I thought of ouzo but I guess thats something else |
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| 16:11:58 | Bg3r | Ave: it's very similar |
| 16:12:18 | Ave | makes you think what is the difference |
| 16:12:34 | Ave | or is it like with the french, you cant say champagne or cognac unless it grows in the area.. |
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| 16:13:07 | Bg3r | it could be the anise percentage for example .. |
| 16:13:14 | Bg3r | i really don't know |
| 16:13:46 | Bg3r | or the alcohol one ... or both of them |
| 16:14:06 | Ave | madness§ |
| 16:14:21 | Ave | people should concentrate on porting rockbox to ipod nano G2 rather! |
| 16:14:59 | Bg3r | mastika helps mind concentration ... |
| 16:15:01 | Bg3r | lol |
| 16:15:26 | Genre9mp3 | The italians also have the "Sambuca" which is very similar |
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| 16:18:41 | Genre9mp3 | Someone should tell hellfest_alterna that there are logged channels around... :) |
| 16:19:52 | * | linuxstb looks forward to some Orujo at Christmas |
| 16:20:19 | * | lowlight makes the touchpad leds on his Olympus m:robe flash like a christmas tree |
| 16:20:25 | lowlight | :) |
| 16:20:47 | petur | another port? |
| 16:20:50 | lowlight | buttons next |
| 16:21:00 | linuxstb | lowlight: Did you intend to do that? |
| 16:21:02 | lowlight | another PP5020 |
| 16:21:40 | lowlight | yes...fiddling with the gpio ports |
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| 16:22:41 | lowlight | still no display...but at least I can flash some leds now for feedback |
| 16:22:55 | linuxstb | Does disk i/o work/ |
| 16:22:56 | linuxstb | ? |
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| 16:24:04 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: I've had more of a look at trying to make ipodio-posix.c more cross platform friendly - but I can't really see how to do it without starting to use something like autotools to build the file based on which OS you're running. Is that the right path to go down, or is there something easy I've missed ? |
| 16:24:20 | lowlight | linuxstb: yes (pp5020 ata) |
| 16:24:27 | Bagder | GodEater_Web: predef.sf.net... |
| 16:24:47 | GodEater_Web | Bagder: thanks - I'll take a look |
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| 16:25:46 | GodEater_Web | superb - that looks much nicer than having to use autotools! |
| 16:26:05 | Bagder | yeps, for simple "which OS is this"-questions that should work |
| 16:26:22 | * | linuxstb shudders at the thought of autotools. The configure script will be larger than the entire rest of the source... |
| 16:26:28 | GodEater_Web | thank god - autotools scare me |
| 16:28:06 | * | preglow has also had nasty experiences with autotool |
| 16:28:07 | preglow | s |
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| 16:47:33 | GodEater_Web | anyone willing to place bets on whether or not DIOCGSECTORSIZE works on OSX as well as the BSDs ? |
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| 16:48:35 | Bagder | almost |
| 16:48:37 | Bagder | it seems |
| 16:48:46 | GodEater_Web | define "almost" :) |
| 16:48:53 | Bagder | if ( !ioctl( fd, DKIOCGETBLOCKSIZE, &blockSize) |
| 16:49:28 | GodEater_Web | nice - the Mac guys like to put the odd extra character in for no reason then |
| 16:49:33 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 16:50:19 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 16:50:40 | Bagder | you could #ifdef on the ioctl name |
| 16:50:46 | Bagder | instead of OS I mean |
| 16:50:58 | Bagder | then it might just work on the other BSDs as well, who knows ;-) |
| 16:51:43 | Bagder | time to leave, I'll be back in 5-6 hours |
| 16:51:55 | GodEater_Web | still need the OS #ifdefs to work out which files to #include though |
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| 16:56:57 | GodEater_Web | are there limits on line length in RB code style? The check for BSD flavours is currently 121 characters.... |
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| 17:01:12 | linuxstb | You can split it with "\" at the end of the line. |
| 17:01:30 | linuxstb | But yes, RB code style says 80-character lines. |
| 17:02:14 | GodEater_Web | I didn't think \ worked with preprocessor stuff |
| 17:02:17 | GodEater_Web | but I'll give it a try |
| 17:02:23 | * | linuxstb wonders if we have any Solaris-using ipod owners... |
| 17:02:48 | GodEater_Web | stop - you'll make me cry |
| 17:03:01 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Regretting taking on this task yet? |
| 17:03:06 | GodEater_Web | there's cross platform support and then there's just getting silly :) |
| 17:03:17 | GodEater_Web | nah - not really - it's not like it's a significant amount of code |
| 17:03:35 | GodEater_Web | btw - did you get my message to you on the forums? We're neighbours... |
| 17:04:00 | * | linuxstb looks out the window |
| 17:04:09 | GodEater_Web | not THAT close |
| 17:04:14 | preglow | i'm his long-lost brother |
| 17:04:19 | GodEater_Web | hahaha |
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| 17:04:37 | godzirra | Whats the status of rockbox on the new ipods? |
| 17:04:39 | godzirra | any change? |
| 17:04:43 | preglow | godzirra: which new ones? |
| 17:04:48 | godzirra | the 5.5g |
| 17:04:52 | preglow | ok enough |
| 17:04:56 | godzirra | I havent looked into it since like a week after they came out |
| 17:04:58 | preglow | for the ones with a smaller disk than 80 gigs |
| 17:05:01 | godzirra | still gotta do weird bootloader crap to work? |
| 17:05:16 | preglow | nah, i think it works out of the box for the non-80 gig ones |
| 17:05:21 | godzirra | nice. |
| 17:05:23 | godzirra | ok, i'm off. |
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| 17:05:51 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if anyone has updated the official bootloader-video.bin file though... |
| 17:06:03 | godzirra | Oh? |
| 17:06:10 | godzirra | Maybe I'll pick up another ipod until my iaudio comes in. |
| 17:07:37 | linuxstb | Dual-booting doesn't work on the 30GB 5.5g, so it would be nice to fix that before releasing a new bootloader, in case the bug is in the bootloader. |
| 17:08:51 | GodEater_Web | ok - I updated the patch again with my multi-os changes - would appreciate someone giving it a test. |
| 17:09:16 | linuxstb | I'll try this evening - I can test Mac OS X. We still need BSD, and maybe a few other Linux users. I'm on Debian BTW. |
| 17:09:24 | GodEater_Web | Gentoo here |
| 17:10:45 | GodEater_Web | I still want to get to the bottom of working out what goes on with the disk code when you actually run it on the iPod too. I had a look at the RB bootloader code for iPod but it made my eyes bleed - I prefer slowcoder's stuff - it's a might easier to understand - no assembly code |
| 17:11:13 | GodEater_Web | s/might/mite |
| 17:17:50 | Kasperle | that code is still pretty messy ;) |
| 17:18:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: I could test on debian (32 and 64 bit) |
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| 17:19:00 | amiconn | ...later |
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| 17:20:11 | * | GodEater_Web curses the proxy server for continually dumping his connection |
| 17:20:36 | GodEater_Web | I can't even tell either unless I check the log file on rocbox.org and see I've apparently quit |
| 17:22:45 | barrywardell | linuxstb: if you're talking about releasing a new ipod bootloader, it might be good to include the updated crt0 stuff too? |
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| 17:32:48 | SimonSelki | **Emergency! |
| 17:33:04 | SimonSelki | My ipod is showing no sign of life at all |
| 17:33:14 | SimonSelki | Scratch that |
| 17:33:31 | SimonSelki | After 35 minutes of proding, we got it to kick in |
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| 17:35:40 | GodEater_Web | well that was dramatic |
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| 17:41:28 | * | petur wonders if miepchen ever does something else but sleeping :p |
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| 17:43:37 | amiconn | petur: students.... ;) |
| 17:43:46 | SimonSelki | Why women have abortions |
| 17:43:46 | SimonSelki | 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). |
| 17:43:51 | SimonSelki | Woah |
| 17:43:53 | SimonSelki | sorry |
| 17:43:58 | SimonSelki | That was out of nowhere |
| 17:44:03 | preglow | really, now |
| 17:44:14 | SimonSelki | I'm multitasking |
| 17:44:16 | SimonSelki | sorry |
| 17:44:22 | preglow | i'll survive |
| 17:44:43 | SimonSelki | But, I ment to ask, I read there was a wayto boot into the original apple firmware while rockbox was installed |
| 17:45:11 | SimonSelki | The reason I installed rockbox was because the original apple firmware was schizin' out |
| 17:45:22 | SimonSelki | but, if I wanted to, would it be that easy? |
| 17:48:01 | GodEater_Web | right - off home - later all |
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| 17:50:07 | markun | SimonSelki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 17:50:21 | petur | rtff |
| 17:50:29 | markun | :) |
| 17:50:58 | amiconn | f ? |
| 17:51:16 | petur | fine FAQ ;) |
| 17:51:26 | amiconn | k |
| 17:53:03 | pixelma | petur: but then miepchen must be a sleepwalker - guess I have to watch out ;) |
| 17:53:28 | petur | heh |
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| 18:02:53 | vmwaren00b | hello... is there a way to put rockbox on my TATUNG Elio P722 Photo Jukebox? |
| 18:03:29 | petur | gosh, we forgot to put some supported targets on the wiki |
| 18:03:33 | petur | :p |
| 18:04:00 | vmwaren00b | what should that mean? |
| 18:04:09 | markun | vmwaren00b: gather some tatung owners and start a port |
| 18:04:47 | vmwaren00b | yes.. but i read there that it is in the very early development stage so, i am not sure what to do... |
| 18:05:21 | markun | vmwaren00b: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 18:05:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb is the guy that was working on the elio port |
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| 18:05:55 | markun | ah yes, linuxstb has one |
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| 18:12:17 | fleytin | Hello, everyone. Is there any iaudio user or developer? |
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| 18:16:20 | PaulPosition | felytin (Some people only scan the channel every ten or 15 minutes, so it may be long before you get any answer..) Maybe state your question, chances are it's not *that* specific to the iAudio platform.. (or is it?) |
| 18:18:41 | fleytin | PaulPosition: Thank you for reply. Yes, Actually I want to know if there is any way to restore the default recording settings? I am a blind user and messed up something so that my recorded files are not played on the iaudio device. |
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| 18:21:13 | |Rincewind| | you could reset all of your settings, the entry for that is in "Manage Configurations", but then you probably don't have voice support enabled. If you have a .cfg file from the time before you messed your settings, load that. |
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| 18:22:20 | barrywardell | fleytin: you can hold the record button while it turns on. that should reset all settings. |
| 18:22:56 | lowlight | can someone explain what GPIOx_INT_EN and GPIO_INT_LEV do? |
| 18:22:59 | |Rincewind| | if he needs voice support to navigate the player then this isn't the best solution... |
| 18:23:07 | pixelma | |Rincewind|: isn't voice enabled by default? |
| 18:23:48 | |Rincewind| | I don't think so. But I haven't tested it. |
| 18:24:46 | barrywardell | it is enabled by default afaik |
| 18:26:26 | lowlight | i think voice is enabled if you have a voice file |
| 18:27:56 | fleytin | Thank to all of you. I got my iaudio just last sunday. Yes, voice support is enabled by default but only for menus. You will need to enable it for files and directories. |
| 18:28:43 | |Rincewind| | ok, then you can safely use the button press at boot or the menu option to reset your settings. |
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| 18:32:13 | GodEater | my word - what an absolutely horrible IRC interface SeaMonkey has |
| 18:32:28 | GodEater | anyone recommend another windows IRC client that's not mIRC ? |
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| 18:34:35 | PaulPosition | why no mirc? (just curious, maybe you'll make me want to change client.. ) |
| 18:34:54 | Ribs | XChat |
| 18:34:59 | Ribs | Klient |
| 18:35:01 | Ribs | Besirc |
| 18:35:36 | GodEater | I'm not sure why - I've just never got on with mIRC |
| 18:35:42 | Kasperle | irssi |
| 18:36:03 | GodEater | they ported that to windows?!? |
| 18:36:26 | idnar | ssh |
| 18:36:30 | ze | somebody always goes and ports everything to windows |
| 18:36:56 | lowlight | is the seamonkey irc client chatzilla? |
| 18:37:05 | GodEater | true, I remember someone trying to port Enlightenment to windows |
| 18:37:20 | GodEater | yes - so it claims lowlight |
| 18:38:25 | GodEater | oh hell with it mIRC will do |
| 18:39:02 | lowlight | there's a list of irc clients here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IRC_clients |
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| 18:45:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think we should only update the 5g bootloader now (to add 5.5g compatibility). We then need to release new versions of every ipod bootloader once we get the COP working correctly. The new ipodpatcher should be able to handle such upgrades though, which is one of my motivations for writing it. |
| 18:47:36 | fleytin | Folks, unfortunately, after resetting the device the problem did not go away. After recording, when I try to play a file, I immediately return to the file browser, while on the computer everything plays fine. What might be wrong? I tried to change format from mp3 to pcm and back but the result is still the same. |
| 18:49:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks for the 64-bit testing offer - I'ld be surprised if it passes that test at this stage... |
| 18:49:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: only thing is that on the H10 at least both bootloader and rockbox had to be upgraded together |
| 18:50:58 | linuxstb | What would "new rockbox" and "old bootloader" have meant? |
| 18:53:41 | lowlight | repeating...can someone explain what GPIOx_INT_EN and GPIO_INT_LEV do? |
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| 18:55:05 | barrywardell | "new rockbox" + "old bootloader" = crash |
| 18:55:08 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Was that a question? On H10 at least, [new BL + old RB] or [old BL + new RB] both failed when I tried three or four days ago. The former just freezing on boot screen and the latter giving (if I remember correctly) an error -1. |
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| 18:56:18 | barrywardell | lowlight: INT_EN is for enabling interrupts, INT_LEV is for setting interrupt level |
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| 18:57:40 | fleytin | Another question, what is actually contained in 'trigger' menu in recording setting of iaudio? I found nothing in the manual and I did not find automatic gain presets which are mentioned in the manual. |
| 18:58:26 | lowlight | barrywardell: thanks. that much i got :) |
| 18:58:31 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you understand why those combinations failed? Would you expect the same problem on the ipods? |
| 18:58:35 | lowlight | I'm trying to understand how they go into the button code and how i can test on my m:robe |
| 18:58:53 | linuxstb | lowlight: Most targets just poll the buttons I think. |
| 18:59:14 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i don't understand it, but i know that they don't fail on the sansa. i'll test on an ipod color now... |
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| 18:59:50 | pixelma | fleytin: triggered recording is unfortunately not explained in the manual, yet. Maybe this site helps a bit http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=TriggerManual |
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| 19:00:16 | barrywardell | lowlight: they're not essential. look at the mini-1g code for a way to include them, look at the h10 code for use without them. i think the mini-1g code is probably a better way to do things though |
| 19:00:18 | theprodukkt | hello all |
| 19:00:29 | theprodukkt | ive 2 problems with my h320 |
| 19:00:38 | theprodukkt | build 201006 |
| 19:00:52 | theprodukkt | (i know old, ill update, maybe first problem is fixed :)) |
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| 19:01:28 | amiconn | GodEater: On windows my preferred client is HydraIRC |
| 19:01:37 | theprodukkt | ok 1. problem: after powering my h320 on and starting playback playback stops after 1-2 min for some secondes |
| 19:01:42 | GodEater | amiconn: thanks - I'll check that out :) |
| 19:01:49 | theprodukkt | sometimes up to 4 times! |
| 19:01:56 | theprodukkt | for about 5 seconds |
| 19:02:21 | theprodukkt | have u already heared about this problem? |
| 19:02:38 | theprodukkt | (i would gess rockbox doesnt load the buffer the right way after start, is this possible?) |
| 19:03:26 | theprodukkt | 2nd problem: video, do u know any solutions how i can watch video without having to w8 5min for h320 to startup with native firmware? (maybe a speedfix or alternatives?) |
| 19:03:47 | bluebrother | not use the database on iriver? |
| 19:03:51 | lowlight | barrywardell: ok...my problem is I don't see the GPIO_INPUT_VAL change when pressing the m:robe touchpad, so I'm missing something |
| 19:03:56 | theprodukkt | i thought i wouldnt do :/ |
| 19:04:00 | linuxstb | You should test the current Rockbox build for problem 1). |
| 19:04:16 | theprodukkt | ok |
| 19:04:23 | theprodukkt | id try it anyway :) |
| 19:04:30 | theprodukkt | (always update a running system :)) |
| 19:04:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:04:51 | amiconn | lowlight: Maybe it's opto, like the ipod touchwheel (on most ipods) |
| 19:04:59 | barrywardell | lowlight: are you sure the touchpad is connected to the gpio? |
| 19:05:17 | * | linuxstb leaves, back later. |
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| 19:06:22 | lowlight | barrywardell: don't know for sure, but I see GPIOD_INT_EN and GPIOD_INT_LEV set in the bootloader |
| 19:07:00 | lowlight | and I can control the touchpad leds with GPIOA_OUTPUT_VAL |
| 19:08:16 | barrywardell | ah, ok. they could also be usb detection, or detection of hold or something else. also, make sure GPIOD is enabled for input using GPIOD_ENABLE=0xff |
| 19:09:53 | lowlight | I've found the GPIO bits for power btn, hold switch, usb detect, & headphone detect |
| 19:10:46 | GodEater | bugger - just missed linuxstb |
| 19:10:51 | GodEater | I noticed a typo in my last patch |
| 19:13:09 | theprodukkt | so i shouldnt get the latest cvs build? |
| 19:15:10 | lowlight | amiconn: could be opto, but for the ipod that seems to use addresses 0x7000c1??? and I only see 1 or 2 references to to that range in the m:robe bootloader |
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| 19:16:54 | amiconn | Well, the bootloader doesn't necessarily need to init the wheel |
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| 19:17:38 | lowlight | there's no wheel on the m:robe, all the buttons are on the touchpad (except power & hold) |
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| 19:18:18 | theprodukkt | ahm.. how can i start native firmware on h300? |
| 19:18:49 | theprodukkt | is there a page in the web about the bootloader options? |
| 19:19:14 | GodEater | theprodukkt: if it's the same as the H140, hold down record when you turn it on |
| 19:19:43 | lowlight | there seems to be a diagnostic mode in the m:robe bootloader, but I don't know how to activate it |
| 19:19:46 | lowlight | so I'm pretty sure the touchpad is initialized |
| 19:20:02 | theprodukkt | its the same, thanks :) |
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| 19:21:24 | GodEater | theprodukkt: for future reference : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Selecting_which_firmware_boots_o |
| 19:21:48 | Nico_P | is there someone here who knows a bit about the playback engine ? |
| 19:22:24 | lowlight | a little |
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| 19:23:00 | theprodukkt | how can i recognize if iriver firmware uses their database! |
| 19:23:25 | Nico_P | i've been experimenting using "rb->audio_ff_rewind()" in a plugin |
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| 19:23:41 | Nico_P | (in view of implementing cuesheet support) |
| 19:23:48 | barrywardell | lowlight: if they're on gpiod then that's probably why the INT stuff in in the bootloader |
| 19:23:50 | theprodukkt | does it leave files somewhere? |
| 19:23:55 | Nico_P | it seems pretty slow |
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| 19:24:22 | Nico_P | but it's the same as what's used in the WPS to do manual seeking, which is often much faster |
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| 19:24:32 | Nico_P | or seems much faster |
| 19:24:45 | Nico_P | i don't really understand what's going on |
| 19:24:57 | tucoz | theprodukkt: Do you browse by files, or by tags in the iriver fw? |
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| 19:25:23 | tucoz | That is, is it possible to select artist/genre/album etc |
| 19:25:23 | theprodukkt | usually i dont browse in the iriver fw but rockbox :/ |
| 19:25:26 | theprodukkt | have to check |
| 19:25:39 | theprodukkt | and in case id use their db |
| 19:25:39 | tucoz | ah. but you said it was so slow to start iriver fw |
| 19:25:45 | theprodukkt | how could i disable / delete it |
| 19:25:53 | theprodukkt | it starts slow, yes, about 3min |
| 19:26:00 | tucoz | Then you turn it off. I guess it is done by pressing or holding navi |
| 19:26:07 | theprodukkt | sometimes (when i realy would like it to be fast) 5 |
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| 19:26:09 | tucoz | i can not remember how it was done |
| 19:26:13 | tucoz | hehe |
| 19:26:27 | tucoz | 5 minutes is insanely slow |
| 19:26:32 | theprodukkt | je |
| 19:26:34 | tucoz | even for iriver |
| 19:26:34 | theprodukkt | yes |
| 19:26:36 | theprodukkt | no fun |
| 19:26:48 | lowlight | Nico_P: what do you mean slow? |
| 19:26:51 | theprodukkt | it was holding nav |
| 19:26:57 | theprodukkt | and their? |
| 19:27:17 | tucoz | i don´t know. Look for the database entry, and disable it |
| 19:27:29 | theprodukkt | ok |
| 19:27:29 | fleytin | Sorry for intervening but I found a cause for my recording problems. It was recordings.bmark file in the root directory. After removing evrything works ok. |
| 19:27:38 | theprodukkt | (i didnt find it but ill look again :/) |
| 19:27:48 | Nico_P | lowlight: there's a noticeable delay, whereas when i seek manually it seems as soon as i choose my position, it's there |
| 19:28:01 | theprodukkt | ah jeah, my 20.10.06 crashes when trying to record :/ |
| 19:28:04 | Nico_P | maybe it's all in my head |
| 19:28:09 | theprodukkt | but maybe cus old version |
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| 19:28:16 | tucoz | theprodukkt: do you have a very fragmented drive? |
| 19:28:22 | theprodukkt | good question |
| 19:28:24 | theprodukkt | possible |
| 19:28:31 | theprodukkt | ill run O&O on it |
| 19:28:34 | theprodukkt | good idea |
| 19:28:39 | theprodukkt | then we'll know |
| 19:28:54 | tucoz | in that case you should copy all the files from the player -> pc -> player |
| 19:29:08 | theprodukkt | defrag wont work? |
| 19:29:17 | tucoz | it is faster to do it that way |
| 19:29:19 | fleytin | Another question, if anyone knows how to make recordings from mike on iaudio louder? |
| 19:30:14 | theprodukkt | thanks for wasting ur time on my |
| 19:30:19 | * | theprodukkt will try now all the tips |
| 19:30:24 | lowlight | Nico_P: the seek gets queued so try yielding your plugin after the request |
| 19:30:58 | Nico_P | rb->yield() ? |
| 19:31:00 | tucoz | theprodukkt: hope you are able to fix it |
| 19:31:36 | lowlight | yeah |
| 19:31:41 | theprodukkt | btw, o&o defrag sais its fragmented to 0.9%... |
| 19:32:02 | tucoz | ok |
| 19:32:09 | theprodukkt | so this isnt the matter i think |
| 19:32:25 | Nico_P | lowlight: not much faster |
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| 19:33:14 | Nico_P | maybe pausing before seeking and then resuming ? |
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| 19:34:29 | Nico_P | the WPS progressbar seems to get updated pretty fast but the audio doesn't skip as fast as when i seek with the FF and RW keys in the WPS |
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| 19:35:35 | Nico_P | still, it seems quick enough to be usable with cuesheets |
| 19:35:39 | Nico_P | better than nothing |
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| 19:36:09 | lowlight | the seek request isn't set until you stop "seeking" in the wps |
| 19:36:47 | lowlight | seeking in the wps only visually updates the progress bar & playback time |
| 19:37:24 | Nico_P | yes so there should be no difference |
| 19:37:38 | Nico_P | maybe it's to do woth the time the plugin takes to load ? |
| 19:37:59 | Cassandra | What exactly is the deal with cuesheets anyway? Aren't they the wrong solution to the gaplessness problem? |
| 19:38:02 | Nico_P | because basically the only thing it does is seek then return |
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| 19:38:46 | Nico_P | Cassandra: they can be nicer to use than a collection of files in certain cases |
| 19:39:03 | Cassandra | How so? |
| 19:39:13 | theprodukkt | does the iriver firmware database create any files? |
| 19:39:21 | Nico_P | and you have to look at the bigger picture : files with embedded chapters |
| 19:39:26 | lowlight | no, it posts a seek request in the queue...question is how long does it take to process it...if you plugin is doing something it may take longer |
| 19:39:40 | Nico_P | Cassandra: DJ mixes, live recordings |
| 19:40:22 | Cassandra | Hmm. All the live recordings I have on CD are split into tracks. |
| 19:40:47 | Nico_P | i presonnally can live without cuesheets but i'd like support for bookmarks in M4B files |
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| 19:41:21 | lowlight | Nico_P: maybe try to sleep for a while |
| 19:41:24 | Cassandra | Even my Erasure Hits! remix disk is split into tracks, despite theoretically being a single mix. |
| 19:41:36 | Nico_P | lowlight: sleep when ? |
| 19:42:10 | lowlight | instead of yield |
| 19:42:12 | Nico_P | Cassandra: DK mixes you download on the internet are in a single file |
| 19:42:44 | lowlight | I don't really know |
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| 19:43:04 | Cassandra | Nico_P: Silly Internet mixers. |
| 19:43:04 | Nico_P | lowlight: so you don't believe it has to do with the plugin loading time ? |
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| 19:43:30 | Cassandra | I suppose it'd be nice to support them, but they do seem to add a lot of extra complexity for comparatively little gain. |
| 19:44:28 | Nico_P | Cassandra: i'm not sure about the complexity |
| 19:45:10 | Nico_P | if we try to integrate them in the playlist system, then yes it's rather complex and i don't feel capable of doing it |
| 19:45:39 | Nico_P | but i'm trying to look at a simpler approach |
| 19:45:41 | lowlight | Nico_P: I don't know exactly what you are doing...why don't you load the plugin, wait for a button press, then trigger the seek. |
| 19:45:56 | Nico_P | ATM all i'm doing is a plugin |
| 19:46:01 | Nico_P | lowlight: i'll try that |
| 19:46:14 | Nico_P | seems better, but it's my first plugin :) |
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| 19:47:31 | Cassandra | Nico_P: Cool. Good luck with that. |
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| 19:54:35 | Nico_P | lowlight: it's still pretty slow |
| 19:54:56 | Nico_P | i wait for a keypress then seek then yield then return |
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| 20:00:02 | Black_Heart | Ik heb mijn prive uit staan als je iets te melden hebt dan gewoon in de room |
| 20:00:06 | Black_Heart | hello \\ 32068 \\ Mood: =( |
| 20:00:27 | theprodukkt | 3 min with database scan, 76 secondes without... (iriver 1.29eu, do you know how i can make it faster?) |
| 20:01:08 | Nico_P | thedefrag ? |
| 20:01:21 | Nico_P | theprodukkt: defrag ? |
| 20:01:22 | Black_Heart | i have a question about rockbox \\ 32069 \\ Mood: =( |
| 20:01:41 | Black_Heart | that software program \\ 32070 \\ Mood: =( |
| 20:01:41 | theprodukkt | O&O Defrag sais my disc is only 0.9% fragmented |
| 20:01:44 | theprodukkt | 22 files only |
| 20:01:52 | theprodukkt | but should i try anyway? |
| 20:01:56 | Black_Heart | yes \\ 32071 \\ Mood: =( |
| 20:02:29 | Nico_P | only 22 files and it takes 76 secs to load ??? |
| 20:02:43 | Black_Heart | defrag \\ 32072 \\ Mood: =( |
| 20:04:11 | theprodukkt | no, disk is full about 7000 i think, but 22 are fragmented |
| 20:07:01 | Nico_P | well i think your disk is simpley too full |
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| 20:07:27 | theprodukkt | what times are usual? |
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| 20:07:52 | Nico_P | I think the fastest is 15 secs with iriver FW and no DB |
| 20:08:05 | Nico_P | that's what i used to get |
| 20:08:19 | Nico_P | rockbox is about 8 secs i think |
| 20:08:29 | Nico_P | lowlight: I can't get it to go faster :( |
| 20:08:34 | godzirra | So the screen on a zune is based on the S Series gigabeat right? Which pepole just started production on? |
| 20:08:43 | godzirra | err, the software, not the screen |
| 20:08:57 | Nico_P | godzirra: the hardware is |
| 20:09:10 | godzirra | Yeah, thats what I meant... sorry, been a lonnnng day. |
| 20:09:30 | Nico_P | but the port is only starting on the gigabeat S |
| 20:09:32 | theprodukkt | how much space have u free? |
| 20:09:32 | godzirra | Yeah, I read. |
| 20:10:15 | Nico_P | theprodukkt: eerr, that was a long time ago, i'd say i had about one quarter of the disk of free space (H320) |
| 20:10:22 | lowlight | Nico_P: *shrug*...don't know what else to suggest |
| 20:10:36 | godzirra | You guys think the zune will ever be ported, asuming the S series gets finished? |
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| 20:10:59 | Nico_P | lowlight: what's puzzling is that it doesn't seem to have anything to do with how far i seek |
| 20:11:20 | Nico_P | i'll try to compare with other places in the code where seeking is done |
| 20:11:27 | Nico_P | but i have to go |
| 20:11:30 | lowlight | if it's buffered, it shouldn't |
| 20:11:47 | Nico_P | ah, ok |
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| 20:12:45 | markun | godzirra: noone has made any serious progress with the gigabeat S |
| 20:13:05 | godzirra | *nods* i wish there was something I could do to help, but i don't have time to learn C :) |
| 20:13:41 | godzirra | and I dont know what else I can do. |
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| 20:26:16 | Nico_P | lowlight: it's really the seek taking some time... if i replace the seeking bu a pause, it takes effect immediately |
| 20:31:29 | * | Cassandra is expecting the Zune to go the way of MS Bob anyway. |
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| 20:38:22 | godzirra | Cassandra: Personally i'm h oping rockbox gets ported to it. An mp3 player with wifi would be ince. |
| 20:38:25 | godzirra | nice. |
| 20:38:28 | godzirra | Real wifi. |
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| 20:40:55 | petur | sure, if there's datasheets of the chipset and room for a networkstack ;) |
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| 20:41:04 | godzirra | Hey, let me have my dreams. |
| 20:41:12 | godzirra | I dream one day I'll run windows without fear of bluescreening too. |
| 20:41:18 | godzirra | Actually... my imagination isnt THAT good. |
| 20:41:24 | * | petur pulls out sharp pin |
| 20:41:36 | petur | -plop- |
| 20:41:52 | godzirra | to be honest, I like the zune controls. I'd be happy if rockbox got on it even without wifi. |
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| 20:47:56 | * | linuxstb curses itunes for converting his Nano 2G to HFS+ without asking... |
| 20:48:09 | linuxstb | "optimizing for Mac OS" it called it... |
| 20:49:30 | BetaCookies | lol |
| 20:49:54 | linuxstb | GodEater: Good news though - with your patch (slightly fixed), ipodpatcher is working on Mac OS X now and correctly detected the sector size for both my ipod Color (512) and Nano 2G (2048). |
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| 20:51:11 | amiconn | Nano G2 also uses this strange 2048 byte sector thing? |
| 20:51:18 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 20:51:36 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand the purpose |
| 20:52:27 | lex | linuxstb: why can't we still boot into apple os? :( |
| 20:52:51 | linuxstb | My guess is ipod_fw.c doing things wrongly, which is why I'm rewriting it. |
| 20:53:05 | lex | great if you can get it to work |
| 20:53:16 | lex | i can't use my VIDEO ipod properly without apple os :) |
| 20:54:14 | * | Cassandra heard Apple shipped some sort of OS with their Ipods. |
| 20:54:21 | Cassandra | Can't see why they bother myself. |
| 20:54:51 | * | petur wonders what's up with the yellow in the table... build servers of amiconn and mahna mahna |
| 20:55:17 | amiconn | 64 bit warnings kkurbjun should fix |
| 20:55:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: What would I need to do for testing ipodpatcher on linux? I guess I have to build it somehow... |
| 20:55:56 | lex | book -> |
| 20:56:41 | BetaCookies | I'm using a 1g nano, with yesterday's daily build, and I don't know how to enable the use of the DataBase instead of the file viewer |
| 20:57:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: Just type "make" in tools/ipodpatcher/ and then "ipodpatcher /dev/sda −−list" where /dev/sda is the "whole-disk" device for your ipod. |
| 20:57:14 | amiconn | ok |
| 20:57:18 | amiconn | Probably sdc then |
| 20:57:49 | linuxstb | "fdisk -l" will list all attached devices and their partition tables. |
| 20:58:09 | amiconn | I am running a sw raid1 and lvm |
| 20:58:15 | amiconn | 2x SATA 160GB |
| 20:58:42 | amiconn | But nautilus should tell me... |
| 20:59:04 | amiconn | Hmm, that only tells the mount point |
| 20:59:08 | linuxstb | BetaCookies: Hold MENU until the quick-screen comes up, then press PLAY to toggle the file view mode, then MENU again to exit. |
| 20:59:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Then try "mount" by itself. |
| 20:59:44 | amiconn | Ok, sdc it is. |
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| 21:00:16 | amiconn | Works.... |
| 21:00:24 | linuxstb | 32 or 64 bit? |
| 21:00:31 | amiconn | (except my ipod is still UNKNOWN) |
| 21:00:33 | amiconn | 64 bit |
| 21:00:39 | linuxstb | Any gcc warning? |
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| 21:00:44 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:01:17 | amiconn | 32 bit is in a vm on my laptop |
| 21:01:20 | linuxstb | That's nice. |
| 21:02:17 | linuxstb | Do you still have a backup of the original firmware partition contents? |
| 21:02:25 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:03:03 | linuxstb | OK. So when I finish ipodpatcher, you can restore that, and then re-install the bootloader. ipodpatcher will have an option to completely replace the Apple firmware. |
| 21:03:04 | * | amiconn wonders whether it's possible and/or would make sense to make ipodpatcher run on Win9x |
| 21:03:33 | amiconn | It seems a few die-hards still use that... |
| 21:03:48 | linuxstb | A few people have posted in the forums with problems about that. But I think they all just found a win2k or later PC to install the bootloader. |
| 21:03:56 | amiconn | I guess it should work on NT4 |
| 21:03:56 | linuxstb | Or they could use a Linux live CD. |
| 21:04:06 | linuxstb | Yes, NT4 should work. |
| 21:04:14 | amiconn | Ah no, forget that |
| 21:04:22 | amiconn | NT4 has no USB support :P |
| 21:04:30 | linuxstb | Ah... |
| 21:04:33 | BetaCookies | linuxstb but.. I get some message behind "database not ready" |
| 21:04:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:04:35 | linuxstb | Firewire? |
| 21:04:53 | amiconn | Probably not |
| 21:05:08 | linuxstb | BetaCookies: You need to initialise the database - the Rockbox manual describes the process. |
| 21:05:10 | * | amiconn should try to get hold of a firewire cable |
| 21:05:22 | amiconn | If mini G2 still supports firewire that is |
| 21:05:23 | BetaCookies | linuxstb i went to settings and did 'initialize database' |
| 21:05:39 | linuxstb | I think the Nano and 5g were the first to not support firewire. |
| 21:05:41 | amiconn | I think we should try to properly detect usb, firewire and pure charger |
| 21:05:53 | BetaCookies | linuxstb its working after i restarted it |
| 21:06:08 | amiconn | grrmph |
| 21:06:15 | linuxstb | BetaCookies: Yes, the database requires a reboot after initialising the first time. |
| 21:06:21 | amiconn | My linux VM doesn't like its X server anymore :( |
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| 21:08:34 | amiconn | Grr, the quite common no-fonts problem :\ |
| 21:09:47 | BetaCookies | In rockbox, is there a way to make the fonts a little bit bigger in the menus? its driving me insane with the tiny-ness :P |
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| 21:10:35 | linuxstb | BetaCookies: When you installed Rockbox, did you also download and extract the fonts .zip file? |
| 21:11:07 | BetaCookies | men no :P |
| 21:11:34 | BetaCookies | i cant find it now |
| 21:11:44 | bluebrother | see the daily builds page |
| 21:11:45 | petur | bottom right on the dailies page |
| 21:12:06 | habana | I wonder why the OF firmware loads faster when i use it via the rockbox bootloader ... |
| 21:12:17 | habana | on sansa |
| 21:12:29 | BetaCookies | theres nothing on the daily builds page |
| 21:12:35 | BetaCookies | ohh nevermind |
| 21:12:35 | dan_a | habana: Because we are ace. |
| 21:12:36 | BetaCookies | >.< |
| 21:12:51 | habana | i've seen it :) |
| 21:13:13 | bluebrother | BetaCookies, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-140002.2.3 even has the link |
| 21:13:27 | habana | dan_a:because its decrypted ? |
| 21:13:41 | dan_a | habana: I should think so, yes. |
| 21:14:18 | habana | crypto is often a pain for little prcs |
| 21:15:05 | habana | wait for 15 sec to boot is awful ... my ubuntu loads faster ! |
| 21:15:53 | * | amiconn sighs |
| 21:16:13 | amiconn | Why oh why can't those linux people come up with _one_ common directory layout? :( |
| 21:16:42 | Nico_P | linuxstb, amiconn: would one of you be able to explain to me why seeking from a plugin has a delay when seeking manually from the WPS has an immediate effect ? |
| 21:16:43 | amiconn | /usr/lib/X11/fonts <=> /usr/share/fonts/X11 <=== crap! |
| 21:17:10 | dan_a | amiconn: Standards are wonderful - that's why there are so many of them! |
| 21:17:22 | * | bluebrother doesn't have /usr/lib/X11/fonts |
| 21:17:26 | habana | symlink is easy, no ? |
| 21:18:11 | bluebrother | X11 has always been different. |
| 21:19:12 | bluebrother | but xorg is about changing this ;-) |
| 21:19:27 | amiconn | hahaaaaaa |
| 21:19:31 | amiconn | This _is_ xorg |
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| 21:20:05 | bluebrother | but I guess before xorg 7.0 |
| 21:20:09 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:20:31 | habana | ah, kudos for the wheel on sansa. I was happy as if my favorite team had marked 1 goal during final match. gooooooooooooooooooooooooooall |
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| 21:21:20 | bluebrother | then the distro is doing strange things. But changing such old layouts takes time ... |
| 21:21:33 | amiconn | debian testing |
| 21:21:46 | * | bluebrother dislikes debian |
| 21:22:23 | bluebrother | I found debian always to be strange (and doing their own ways) |
| 21:22:31 | amiconn | One of the few that does not install KDE by default |
| 21:22:37 | * | petur suggests C:\WINNT\Fonts and ducks *deep* |
| 21:23:11 | * | bluebrother remembers the ~/.fonts thingy on his distro he never needed |
| 21:23:54 | habana | Is Kjell from Haxx involved in Rockbox devel ? |
| 21:24:52 | bluebrother | btw, it's c:\windows\fonts on my machine (and I believe this was default when I reinstalled it) |
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| 21:26:33 | petur | this is w2k, the pure NT5.0 before the bloated 5.1 they called 'XP' :p |
| 21:27:08 | bluebrother | btw, how is vista called? NT6? |
| 21:27:20 | amiconn | My observation is that XP (and 2003) performs better than 2000 on identical hardware |
| 21:27:49 | amiconn | ...provided that the RAM isn't too limited (128MB or greater) |
| 21:28:18 | petur | prepare for vista's 700MB ;) |
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| 21:28:47 | bluebrother | they should call it "BT" - Bloated Technology ;-) |
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| 21:29:46 | tucoz | did anyone know that xp stands for experience? I didn´t until now. |
| 21:29:59 | amiconn | sure I did... |
| 21:30:44 | bluebrother | sure ... they only forgot to say if this experience was supposed to be good or bad |
| 21:30:46 | tucoz | xp is ok, except for the crappy terminal |
| 21:31:11 | tucoz | I think that is going to change in vista |
| 21:31:47 | tucoz | and also the fact that you are root as a default |
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| 21:33:46 | bluebrother | what terminal? |
| 21:33:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: so no idea on seeking ? |
| 21:34:18 | tucoz | bluebrother: exactly |
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| 21:34:35 | tucoz | the lack of one |
| 21:35:02 | bluebrother | I don't believe they add something as great as bash (or at least something that can be similarly useful) |
| 21:35:08 | blind | Friend of mine's rockbox keeps freezing up on a Video iPod.. the music still plays, but the screen is frozen and the buttons don't work. any clue why? |
| 21:35:16 | bluebrother | It has no buttons to click on :-P |
| 21:38:16 | linuxstb | blind: Is it a 5.5g? |
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| 21:39:08 | blind | linuxstb: uh.. i think it's the first wave that came out.. im not sure. |
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| 21:39:38 | linuxstb | So more than 3 months old? |
| 21:39:45 | blind | Aye. |
| 21:41:15 | linuxstb | I've never heard anyone report those symptoms before. If your friend hasn't done so already, you could suggest upgraded to a current version of Rockbox. (new builds are generated every day). |
| 21:41:33 | blind | I told him to, I'm not sure if he actually did or not. |
| 21:41:47 | blind | That's just replacing the rockbox.ipod file, right? not a full installation |
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| 21:43:30 | linuxstb | He needs to extract the entire rockbox.zip file to his ipod - overwriting rockbox.ipod and the contents of the .rockbox folder. |
| 21:43:39 | blind | alright |
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| 21:49:16 | zylche | I rmemeber when I got the error -1 error after unloading the rockbox.ipod, I just copied and it and renamed it to Rockbox.ipod, worked afterthat :P |
| 21:49:33 | blind | silly case-sensitive systems |
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| 22:09:44 | * | petur warns pixelma about a certain sleepwalker |
| 22:11:50 | Cassandra | Well, that was way more effort than it needed to be. |
| 22:12:08 | Cassandra | Next fix: logging of installed files. |
| 22:14:04 | * | amiconn hopes that his amd64 box will boot again :/ |
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| 22:20:28 | amiconn | Phew! |
| 22:20:41 | amiconn | Linux is sometimes *really* scary... |
| 22:21:13 | blind | when? |
| 22:21:26 | Kasperle | always :D |
| 22:21:41 | amiconn | I just upgraded it as usual. Then: |
| 22:21:46 | amiconn | "Fatal: device-mapper: dm_task_run(DM_DEVICE_TABLE) failed" |
| 22:21:52 | amiconn | while running lilo |
| 22:22:15 | Cassandra | Ah, Linux and it's super friendly error messages. |
| 22:22:25 | Cassandra | Almost as good as ATA ERROR: -9 |
| 22:22:41 | Cassandra | Who'd use a stupid cryptic error message like that though? |
| 22:22:46 | amiconn | I am running a raid1 with lvm on top |
| 22:23:05 | Cassandra | That's brave of you. |
| 22:23:14 | amiconn | Fortunately I created 2 raid partitions back when installing that box, the first being supposed to be used as /boot |
| 22:23:32 | amiconn | Didn't notice that debian didn't do that... until today |
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| 22:23:52 | amiconn | Fortunately I managed to change that without making a non-recoverable error :/ |
| 22:24:59 | * | amiconn also just noticed that swcodec playback still goes crazy from time to time |
| 22:25:24 | amiconn | I now have a folder which reliably breaks it |
| 22:27:03 | amiconn | Playing tracks not in order, and not completely from start to end :( |
| 22:27:10 | Cassandra | I had a lockup today on my Video. |
| 22:27:29 | Cassandra | Probably connected with voice filenames. |
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| 22:37:46 | wehn | Anyone else noticed that resuming bookmarks seems a little broken of late? |
| 22:38:13 | wehn | WPS displays then before playback restarts it quits back to the fileviewer. no playback |
| 22:38:40 | blind | OH I have a question. I looked through the manual and couldn't find the answer.... |
| 22:39:04 | blind | When you're playing a song, and you hit the select button to add more files to the playlist.. how do you get back to the "now playing" screen? |
| 22:39:40 | wehn | if you are in the file tree, press play. |
| 22:40:26 | blind | Oh geez. |
| 22:40:27 | blind | Thanks. |
| 22:40:43 | blind | I tried everything but that, seems like. |
| 22:46:56 | Cassandra | wehn: Nope. I suggest you file a bug report. |
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| 22:51:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sector size detection is working on amd64 |
| 22:53:57 | wehn | Cassandra: is it working for you? select a bookmark file from the filetree and see what happens. |
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| 23:02:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: ipodpatcher is also working properly on 32 bit debian |
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| 23:05:18 | Cassandra | wehn: I never use bookmarks. |
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| 23:07:28 | bluebrother | wehn, selecting a bookmark while playing or while playback stopped? |
| 23:07:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks for the good news. |
| 23:10:27 | bluebrother | looks a bit like the first bookmark gets skipped |
| 23:10:50 | tomal | Hey, I am going to ifdef some code out of bootloader, namely write support, scrolling, font loading and caching. |
| 23:11:02 | tomal | Does anyone think it may break something? |
| 23:11:11 | bluebrother | playing the first bookmark results in the second playing, and playing the last bookmark fails |
| 23:11:30 | n1s | tomal: I guess we'll find out ;-) |
| 23:13:46 | tomal | n1s: Yes, we will, I just wanted to know if someone can say something about the result beforehand. |
| 23:13:52 | wehn | bluebrother: I only have one bookmark in the albums root. I guess that why it fails. |
| 23:14:46 | bluebrother | I tried a bookmark with two tracks from the same playlist. |
| 23:15:35 | bluebrother | maybe you can reproduce it by adding a second bookmark? |
| 23:16:26 | Cassandra | Bootloader is all greek to me anyway. I've no idea how it works. |
| 23:16:29 | amiconn | tomal: I would prefer not to comment out parts of the file code |
| 23:16:59 | wehn | bluebrother: happens either playing or stopped as far as I can tell. |
| 23:17:31 | tomal | amiconn: why? |
| 23:17:50 | * | Genre9mp3 wishes bootloader was all greek to him ;) |
| 23:17:53 | wehn | bluebrother: I've been reproducing it by bookmarking a song in an album and then going up the directory and selecting the album.bmark |
| 23:18:08 | amiconn | I think the risk of inadvertently breaking something is rather high |
| 23:18:16 | bluebrother | how much entries are in that bmark file? |
| 23:18:21 | bluebrother | more than one? |
| 23:18:33 | amiconn | Besides, why is that needed? |
| 23:20:11 | tomal | amiconn: I am working on a bootloader for ifp, and I would like to make it smaller. But maybe the bigger one will also fit. |
| 23:20:32 | amiconn | How much space do you have for the bootloader |
| 23:20:33 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:22:08 | bluebrother | hmm. Strange. It works sometimes. |
| 23:22:18 | amiconn | In fact saving some space in the bootloader might be helpful on archos (the bootloader config is used there to build bootbox) for bringing back rombox |
| 23:22:40 | wehn | bluebrother: there were three in the one I just tried. quite a few only have one. |
| 23:22:53 | amiconn | But too many ifdefs would also be bad... |
| 23:23:08 | tomal | amiconn: I don't know exactly how much space I have. The original firmware uses several last blocks of program flash to store settings. |
| 23:23:32 | tomal | I need to find out how many blocks the OF uses. |
| 23:23:59 | tomal | And I agree about ifdefs, they make code uglier. |
| 23:24:15 | amiconn | Well, you can dump the flash and check with a hex editor... |
| 23:25:57 | tomal | I am pretty sure that I have >50 kB of space, which is enough, but maybe in some situations the OF writes something in a different place. |
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| 23:30:19 | * | dan_a curses dual core DAPs |
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| 23:30:55 | Genre9mp3 | ^a nice way to curse iPods :P |
| 23:31:18 | dan_a | I'm trying to get Rolo to load the original firmware on the Sansa, and can't get the coprocessor to reload correctly |
| 23:31:26 | * | n1s hits 13 hours on a 2 years old h300 with vorbis q6, maybe that battery doesn't need replacing afterall. |
| 23:31:58 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: nice! :) |
| 23:33:15 | tomal | amiconn: Maybe instead of ifdefs we could move some functions to separate files, and do not link them for bootloader. |
| 23:33:49 | tomal | amiconn: I saved some space simply by ifdefing out whole functions. |
| 23:33:55 | markun | Genre9mp3: ... and all other PortalPlayer DAPs |
| 23:34:05 | tomal | amiconn: That should be safer, I we'll think about it. |
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| 23:36:08 | Genre9mp3 | markun: It does it's cause though ;) |
| 23:38:23 | dan_a | markun: How is sound on the Gigabeat coming along? |
| 23:39:32 | markun | dan_a: great! |
| 23:39:40 | markun | audio is the only major thing we have to fix |
| 23:39:56 | dan_a | Have you got past white noise yet? |
| 23:40:26 | markun | yes, but when we send something to the i2s fifo it doesn't sound like we expected |
| 23:41:43 | dan_a | I'm keeping my eye on an F10 that's on ebay |
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| 23:42:56 | markun | dan_a: but all of the useless features like backlight brightness/dimming, rtc, remote control, headphone detection all work :) |
| 23:43:51 | dan_a | Excellent! I could play Doom on the Sansa before we could use all the buttons! |
| 23:44:03 | markun | :) |
| 23:44:08 | n1s | that is nice prioritizing :-P |
| 23:44:11 | markun | Doom and the video player don't work somehow |
| 23:44:15 | markun | but I didn't debug them yet |
| 23:44:27 | markun | the video player only decodes the 1st frame it seems |
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| 23:48:26 | diotalevi | So... is there some magic required to allow my iPod to charge? Since installing Rockbox the thing hasn't charged at all. |
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| 23:50:11 | n1s | diotalevi: either hold menu while inserting usb while in rockbox, charges very slowly, or reboot to OF |
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| 23:58:42 | diotalevi | Ok, that seems to be working. |
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