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| 00:15:30 | Soap | Llorean: A-Where is Paul? B-Was I rude in how I said it? I try not to be rude to the noobs. |
| 00:15:58 | Soap | even when they blame Rockbox for things out of Rockbox's control. |
| 00:16:18 | Llorean | Soap: No, it wasn't rude. |
| 00:16:27 | Soap | good. |
| 00:16:42 | Llorean | Just, outside of this line here, I don't expect you'll ever see me type "Rockbox loves and coddles and massages and rubs and kisses your iPod." |
| 00:17:02 | Llorean | That's all I mean to say with stating it wasn't quite how I'd put it. :-P |
| 00:17:07 | Membrillo | how is the iAudio X5 port going these days? should I be considering it in my quest for a new DAP? |
| 00:17:11 | Soap | well it does. |
| 00:17:15 | Llorean | True enough |
| 00:17:20 | Llorean | Membrillo: Absolutely worth considering. |
| 00:17:30 | Llorean | Membrillo: Probably a sounder port than our iPod ones. |
| 00:17:47 | Membrillo | hmmm, so the dodgy screen is made up for with other features? |
| 00:17:53 | Llorean | "dodgy screen"? |
| 00:19:20 | Membrillo | doesnt it have a really low res screen? |
| 00:19:55 | Llorean | 160x128, which isn't "really" low res. |
| 00:20:06 | Llorean | It's lower res than some we support, higher than others. |
| 00:20:15 | Llorean | It is the lowest resolution of the color screens. |
| 00:20:33 | Llorean | But then again, on a music player, it's more than enough to show artist, album, genre, track position, title, and a good bit of other data too. |
| 00:21:02 | Llorean | Either way, "dodgy" tends to denote "chancy" or "unreliable" rather than simply "not what I'd want" |
| 00:22:05 | Membrillo | good point... hmmm im very much considering the iaudio then... it has UMS right? and line in? |
| 00:22:21 | Llorean | All Rockbox players are UMS, so far. |
| 00:22:37 | n1s | Membrillo: the most complaints about the x5 I have heard are the subpack and the somewhat strange button placement. |
| 00:22:38 | Llorean | As for Line In, I *think* it does, but I can't promise, as I'm not wholly sure |
| 00:22:48 | | Quit ender` (" The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the) |
| 00:24:11 | Membrillo | the buttons do look very very strange |
| 00:25:51 | pixelma | Llorean: it's not the lowest resolution screen of the supported targets with colour screens... that would be the H10 5/6GB with its weird 128x128 display </nitpicking> ;) |
| 00:27:39 | Llorean | pixelma: Sorry 'bout that. I forget entirely about the H10 existing for a moment. :-P |
| 00:28:03 | pixelma | Membrillo: yes the x5 has a line-in (through the so called subpack) |
| 00:29:10 | Membrillo | hmmm my sister has the creative micro photo with 160x 160 and thats shocking to look at photos on... i have no idea how you could watch video on the iaudio... mind you ill just be using it for listening and recording |
| 00:29:38 | Membrillo | they were released quite a while ago werent they? must be getting cheap these days |
| 00:30:13 | n1s | in fact the're quite expensive iirc |
| 00:30:28 | n1s | the x5s |
| 00:31:33 | Llorean | Membrillo: Well, I wouldn't suggest the X5 to someone looking for a video player, but I wouldn't suggest Rockbox at all to someone doing that. One of the Archos 604s, or something in that general area would likely be better. |
| 00:32:36 | Membrillo | nah, video isn't my concern at all. UMS is my number 1, line in and battery life are up there |
| 00:32:51 | Membrillo | something small is nice... dont really care what it looks like |
| 00:33:12 | funky | Membrillo: nice nick |
| 00:33:37 | funky | Membrillo: you know what does your nick mean? |
| 00:34:00 | BetaCookies | what does it mean? |
| 00:34:10 | Membrillo | no idea haha, i know its spanish... i stole it from a game called Grim Fandango. A lucas arts adventure game haha |
| 00:34:38 | BetaCookies | it seems to be a fruit? |
| 00:34:41 | funky | hard to explain |
| 00:34:43 | Membrillo | ahhh thats right |
| 00:34:48 | funky | yep, its like a fruit, but not exactly |
| 00:34:50 | Membrillo | someone told me it was a food |
| 00:34:59 | funky | is made with fruits |
| 00:35:02 | BetaCookies | funky how is it "not exactly" a fruit? |
| 00:35:10 | BetaCookies | ohi i see |
| 00:35:35 | funky | I dont know the process to get "membrillo" from fruits |
| 00:35:38 | BetaCookies | looks like a fruit here: http://frutas.consumer.es/imagenes/fotografias/membrillo/01.jpg |
| 00:35:40 | funky | anyway, its a funny spanish word |
| 00:35:58 | funky | can be use as insult |
| 00:36:03 | funky | used* |
| 00:36:13 | BetaCookies | oh |
| 00:36:20 | BetaCookies | like HAHA you membrillo!? |
| 00:36:26 | funky | yeah xD |
| 00:36:44 | Membrillo | funky, you might know... what does Calavera mena |
| 00:36:46 | Membrillo | mean* |
| 00:36:51 | funky | yeah |
| 00:36:53 | funky | skull |
| 00:36:54 | Membrillo | is it Skull or Death or something? |
| 00:37:25 | Membrillo | ahhhh |
| 00:37:28 | Membrillo | cool |
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| 00:40:06 | jba | hey guys, am using last night's daily of ipod (4G) rockbox, and it seems to freeze on a few songs for no apparent reason. Would this be a known issue, or a transient thing that will most likely disappear if I use a newer/older binary? |
| 00:41:45 | scorche | jba: use the frequency scaling patch |
| 00:42:16 | jba | I didn't build from source though, i just dl'ed a binary. anyhow where is this patch? |
| 00:42:47 | scorche | on the tracker with all the other patches =) |
| 00:42:59 | scorche | or you can use mikeage's custom build |
| 00:45:21 | jba | might give that a shot |
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| 00:46:18 | jba | dude mikeage has so many custom builds |
| 00:46:40 | jba | nad i prefer to boot into rb default, looks like i'm gonna have to check out and build sources tonight |
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| 00:46:48 | scorche | just the one with the frequency scaling patch ;) |
| 00:46:57 | scorche | you dont have to use his bootloader |
| 00:47:13 | jba | yeah i thought about that after i hit enter. (brain fart) |
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| 00:54:00 | jba | thanks scorche, we're back up and running again |
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| 01:27:28 | jba | for ipod, does idle power off shutdown or sleep? |
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| 01:28:20 | scorche | shutdown |
| 01:28:23 | scorche | there is no sleep |
| 01:28:29 | BetaCookies | ipodlinux has been ttrying to install on my 2gb 1g nano, should I stop it? :x rockbox was a *whole* lot easier to install O.O |
| 01:28:42 | jba | thought so |
| 01:28:45 | jba | oh well |
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| 01:29:15 | scorche | BetaCookies: that is up to you... |
| 01:29:23 | BetaCookies | well how would I fix it? |
| 01:29:42 | BetaCookies | i have backups I made before i installed rockbox |
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| 02:13:24 | soaa | hi everyone :) |
| 02:13:43 | soaa | is anybody here? |
| 02:15:08 | * | Genre9mp3 points to Everybody|BRB |
| 02:16:04 | Soap | if you have a question, soaa, the best way to get an answer is to just ask it. |
| 02:16:16 | Soap | Someone will either answer it then, or as soon as they see it. |
| 02:16:49 | soaa | oh alright, here's my question... |
| 02:17:10 | scorche | Soap: you shouldnt be so mean to your little brother ;) |
| 02:17:25 | Soap | ? |
| 02:17:32 | scorche | (names) ;) |
| 02:17:44 | Soap | You mean where I said you should be granted powers? |
| 02:17:50 | soaa | i want to make a custom font, i tried the converter to convert my TTF to FNT, but they're ugly... is there a way to edit them pix my pix? |
| 02:17:52 | scorche | wha? |
| 02:17:54 | Soap | Yea, that was so MFing mean. |
| 02:17:54 | scorche | no... |
| 02:17:58 | scorche | hehe |
| 02:18:08 | scorche | well,i had to think of something! |
| 02:18:39 | Soap | soaa: Ok, that's not really a Rockbox question, and I don't know enough about editing fonts to even know where to point you, except google. |
| 02:19:13 | scorche | soaa: as i said...forums ;) |
| 02:19:15 | soaa | that was a question relating to Rockbox's font format... |
| 02:19:31 | soaa | oh well, on to the forums. |
| 02:19:32 | * | Soap was nice to Scorcheie, and the scorcheie speaks mean to Soap. |
| 02:19:32 | scorche | (specifically in the wps and customization section) |
| 02:19:50 | soaa | i know how to place my topics D: |
| 02:20:02 | Llorean | soaa: You should be able to edit the BDF in any BDF editor before converting. |
| 02:20:20 | Llorean | Since BDFs are bitmapped, they should convert pixel for pixel to Rockbox fonts, I believe. |
| 02:20:30 | soaa | ah, that's what i was wondering |
| 02:20:35 | Soap | and that's why I said it wasn't a Rockbox issue, but a font issue :( |
| 02:20:39 | soaa | thanks Llorean. |
| 02:21:14 | Llorean | The Rockbox font format isn't really intended to be edited, though I'm sure it can be in a hex editor, but really just designed around how Rockbox wanted the fonts to be stored in memory I think. |
| 02:21:26 | scorche | Llorean: heh...i was looking for you and had forgotten to search for the double-l...although, i must leave now |
| 02:21:35 | soaa | i see i see |
| 02:21:40 | soaa | aight, thanks guys :) |
| 02:21:43 | soaa | i'm out |
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| 02:22:09 | Llorean | scorche: Well, I ought to be around later. I'm more present these days. |
| 02:24:36 | * | linuxstb enjoys booting Rockbox directly from the firmware partition. |
| 02:25:55 | Llorean | Is that working well now? |
| 02:25:59 | Llorean | I've been a bit out of date. |
| 02:26:26 | linuxstb | I've just committed the first useful version of the new ipod patcher. See my commit message for details. |
| 02:27:57 | Llorean | Ah, so you can replace the Apple_OS with the Rockbox bootloader (or Rockbox), but not dual boot yet, if I read that right? |
| 02:28:07 | dan_a | linuxstb: I had another go at RoLo loading the original firmware on my Sansa earlier. As before, the firmware loads but something (I'm pretty sure it's the COP) doesn't work |
| 02:29:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. dual-boot will hopefully be tomorrow evening. It's a little more complex as it will mean moving the rest of the firmware partition out of the way to make space for the bootloader to be added to the end of the main firmware. |
| 02:30:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, just making sure I read it right. |
| 02:30:44 | linuxstb | If you compile a bootloader from current CVS, you'll get a "bootloader-modelname.ipod" file, which ipodpatcher will handle. An added check to make sure people put the correct bootloader on their ipods... |
| 02:30:59 | linuxstb | (.ipod files have a small header with a model identifier and checksum) |
| 02:31:35 | Llorean | Ooh, handy. |
| 02:31:42 | linuxstb | It also extracts the Apple firmware to an "apple_os.ipod" which I hope Rockbox can rolo at some point... (me looks at dan_a) |
| 02:33:19 | * | linuxstb is looking forward to deleting 90% of the ipod install instructions |
| 02:34:58 | Llorean | "Plug in your iPod. Run ipodpatcher. Respond to its promptings when asked. Unplug your iPod." |
| 02:35:40 | linuxstb | Hopefully it will be rbutil instead of ipodpatcher soon. |
| 02:35:59 | Llorean | Ah, right |
| 02:36:43 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure when that will happen, but at least ipodpatcher will be as easy as a command-line tool could get. |
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| 02:41:44 | mikeaz | IS ROCKBOX GOOD IDEA FOR IPOD VIDEO? |
| 02:42:42 | Nico_P | guys, i'm trying to look at FS #6364 (dealing with bookmarks) |
| 02:43:33 | Nico_P | somehow the playback is quinda stopped in the process of loading a bookmark during playback |
| 02:44:23 | Nico_P | in such a way that audio_status() returns false |
| 02:44:37 | Nico_P | (at line 198 of gwps.c) |
| 02:44:48 | Landus | Is there something wrong with todays daily build. |
| 02:45:02 | Landus | It doesn't compile without getting an error. |
| 02:46:31 | Nico_P | Landus: on what target ? |
| 02:46:39 | dan_a | Landus: What player do you have? Most of them should compile without a problem |
| 02:46:44 | Landus | Doom. |
| 02:46:50 | Landus | h3x0. |
| 02:47:06 | Landus | No patches either. |
| 02:47:59 | dan_a | There were some updates to Doom yesterday... have you tried doing a "make clean" before building? |
| 02:48:05 | Nico_P | but why are you compiling a daily build ? |
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| 02:49:35 | Landus | Because I like the jClix themes. |
| 02:49:40 | Landus | Which require a few patches. |
| 02:49:55 | Landus | Originally, I had errors, so I extracted the tar again. |
| 02:50:05 | Landus | And complied it before applying any patches. |
| 02:50:08 | Nico_P | aren't you using CVS ? |
| 02:50:08 | Landus | And got the same error. |
| 02:50:16 | Landus | No. Daily build. |
| 02:50:19 | Landus | 20061213 |
| 02:50:27 | Nico_P | that's what i find surprising |
| 02:50:49 | mikeaz | should i get rockbox on my ipod video? |
| 02:51:05 | Landus | mikeaz: Yes. It'll make it better in every way possible. |
| 02:51:07 | dan_a | mikeaz: try it! |
| 02:51:07 | linuxstb | mikeaz: It depends what you are expecting to gain from Rockbox. |
| 02:51:20 | Nico_P | mikeaz: is it 5G or 5.5G ? |
| 02:51:34 | Landus | Nico_P: I ran make clean and I'm trying to make it again. |
| 02:51:37 | mikeaz | i saw a guy with an ipod on the subway, but there was a real time visualization of the music |
| 02:51:43 | mikeaz | with the bars |
| 02:51:50 | mikeaz | i want that on my 5g, it's not a 5.5 |
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| 02:52:31 | Llorean | Landus: Try using CVS. |
| 02:52:55 | Landus | Okay. |
| 02:52:58 | Llorean | Landus: The daily build tarballs often are missing files if a new file has been added to the source and hasn't properly been added in a way that the tarball creating script picks it up. |
| 02:53:07 | pixelma | linuxstb: what's up with the cvs table? |
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| 02:53:32 | linuxstb | BTW, any Windows users willing to want to test the new ipodpatcher.exe, I've built a binary here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-2006-12-14.zip |
| 02:53:46 | Llorean | I shall |
| 02:53:48 | linuxstb | pixelma: Thanks... |
| 02:53:50 | Landus | If I'm going to use CVS from now on, is there a way to download it automatically with cygwin. |
| 02:54:08 | Nico_P | i'm having a hard time remembering i'm not a windows user :p |
| 02:54:16 | BetaCookies | Nico_P mac? |
| 02:54:19 | Landus | I'm both, but I use Windows on my desktop. |
| 02:54:26 | BetaCookies | or loonix? |
| 02:54:26 | Nico_P | BetaCookies: kubuntu |
| 02:54:28 | linuxstb | pixelma: Ah, I guess the problem is that the build scripts are looking for "bootloader.img", but I changed configure to generate other filenames.... Bagder won't be happy :) |
| 02:54:28 | Landus | I dual-boot Backtrack and Windows on my laptop. |
| 02:54:39 | Landus | linuxstb: There was someone just in here that wanted to try Rockbox with an iPod video. |
| 02:54:48 | BetaCookies | is it not supported? |
| 02:54:55 | BetaCookies | i'm using a 1g nano 1.3 |
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| 02:55:33 | BetaCookies | Nighty night, going to sleep |
| 02:55:37 | Nico_P | Landus: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Getting_The_Source_Code |
| 02:55:39 | Llorean | BetaCookies: Is what not supported? |
| 02:55:44 | Landus | Thanks. |
| 02:55:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: What do you want me to test in regards to your program? |
| 02:56:01 | BetaCookies | nevermind, Llorean ;-) |
| 02:56:20 | BetaCookies | too many L- nicknames :P |
| 02:56:21 | Nico_P | Landus: where do you find julius patches that are in synch with cvs ? |
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| 02:56:44 | Nico_P | i've been wanting the jclix theme but never found patches that patched cleanly |
| 02:56:47 | Landus | The status bar patch never has a problem. |
| 02:56:54 | Landus | It always works, sometimes with fuzz. |
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| 02:56:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: Everything :) You could restore your original bootpartition.bin with it, then extract the apple_os to apple_os.ipod, then try adding the bootloader.ipod file and/or rockbox.ipod |
| 02:57:00 | Landus | The other one. |
| 02:57:02 | Landus | Scroll-margins. |
| 02:57:04 | Nico_P | Landus: status bar ? |
| 02:57:06 | Landus | That one you need to check flyspray. |
| 02:57:07 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 02:57:18 | Landus | The bar at the top that displays volume, battery life, etc. |
| 02:57:35 | Nico_P | i thought jclix needed customline and multifont |
| 02:57:35 | Landus | It needs to be moved farther down. |
| 02:57:42 | Landus | Not that jclix theme. |
| 02:57:45 | Landus | The old one. |
| 02:57:55 | Landus | Or wait. |
| 02:57:56 | Landus | Shoot. |
| 02:57:58 | Landus | Not jclix |
| 02:58:08 | Landus | jBlackGlass |
| 02:58:09 | Landus | Brain fart. |
| 02:58:20 | Landus | I had your same problem. |
| 02:58:28 | Landus | I tried getting the patches and always had a problem. |
| 02:58:31 | Landus | Either they were out of syn. |
| 02:58:33 | Landus | Sync. |
| 02:58:45 | Landus | Or some how, even if I applied them in the right order, something went wacky. |
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| 02:59:00 | Landus | Even if I manually added in the changes if something failed. |
| 02:59:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: I apparently deleted my original bootpartition.bin, deciding it was sufficient to keep the apple_os.bin, since I'd never plan to restore pure apple firmware. |
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| 02:59:40 | pavel_ | yo |
| 02:59:47 | pavel_ | anybody here? |
| 02:59:52 | Landus | Yes. There is. |
| 02:59:59 | pavel_ | hey whats up? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: I will try writing a bootloader and a rockbox.ipod though |
| 03:00:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: I would backup your existing firmware partition first... |
| 03:00:19 | Landus | Nico_P: Do you know if there's a way to make a bash script for cygwin to run the cvs commands without having to type all that out each time? |
| 03:00:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: No worries, I did. :) |
| 03:00:34 | pavel_ | hey im just wondering, is somebody working on the zune? |
| 03:00:36 | Landus | pavel_: Ceiling. |
| 03:00:44 | Landus | AFAIK, no. |
| 03:00:54 | pavel_ | ohh i see :( |
| 03:00:55 | Landus | Someone would need to open it up. |
| 03:00:59 | Landus | Map everything. |
| 03:01:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: Do I need a special version of bootloader-nano.bin? |
| 03:01:07 | Landus | And then be skills in C and assmbly to port it. |
| 03:01:10 | Nico_P | Landus: probably, if cygwin can run a shell script |
| 03:01:17 | pavel_ | wow!! |
| 03:01:17 | Landus | I know it can. |
| 03:01:26 | pavel_ | its hard work! |
| 03:01:29 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 03:01:33 | Landus | If I could code, I would. |
| 03:01:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: You need to turn it into bootloader-nano.ipod - "tools/scramble -add=nano bootloader-nano.bin bootloader-nano.ipod" should do it. |
| 03:01:43 | Landus | I've heard that there's a alternative firmware for it. |
| 03:01:50 | Nico_P | Landus: i once had a script that did it all automatically, but i lost it |
| 03:01:54 | Landus | That allows you to share music without the DRM crap. |
| 03:01:58 | pavel_ | there is ? do you think you could hit me up with a link |
| 03:02:03 | pavel_ | dude that would rock |
| 03:02:03 | Landus | But only for mp3's. |
| 03:02:05 | Landus | Try googling it. |
| 03:02:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: Will compiling the bootloader provide me with one using a new CVS? |
| 03:02:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
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| 03:02:15 | Landus | It converts the file to JPG, sends it, and tada. |
| 03:02:16 | pavel_ | kk im about to brb |
| 03:02:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, lemme just do that then |
| 03:02:25 | Landus | MP3 and JPG are smiliar. |
| 03:02:31 | pavel_ | yeah |
| 03:02:37 | Landus | I read an article. |
| 03:02:43 | Landus | I tried finding the firmware, but no luck. |
| 03:02:52 | thegeek | this is comedy gold |
| 03:02:55 | Landus | Check on ComputerWorld. |
| 03:03:02 | Landus | I think that's where I saw it. |
| 03:03:16 | pavel_ | kk |
| 03:04:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: Apparently if you write an invalid file, your tool won't write to the iPod any more |
| 03:04:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wrote the original bootloader-nano.bin, and now it errors out because the firmware partition doesn't contain an apple copyright |
| 03:04:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:04:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: What command did you use to write the bootloader-nano.bin? |
| 03:05:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: ipodpatcher 1 -w bootloader-nano.bin |
| 03:05:16 | linuxstb | You didn't want to do that... |
| 03:05:20 | Llorean | Apparently |
| 03:05:34 | linuxstb | If you type ipodpatcher by itself, it will give you the list of options. |
| 03:05:54 | pavel_ | hmm cant find nothing |
| 03:06:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, I misread the list is all |
| 03:06:08 | linuxstb | You want the "-rf" (−−replace-firmware) option. |
| 03:06:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Either way, it's a valid flaw: If you mess up, you can't restore a clean bootpartition.bin with your tool as it stands. |
| 03:06:43 | Llorean | I had to restore mine using the old ipodpatcher |
| 03:07:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I should remove that check for the −−write-partition option. |
| 03:08:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Also, if I -r a bootpartition.bin and immediately -w the same file, the iPod is "Use iTunes to restore" |
| 03:09:16 | Llorean | −−list says the firmware partition doesn't contain the apple copyright, etc. |
| 03:09:28 | linuxstb | Hmm... Not sure why that would be the case. |
| 03:09:35 | Llorean | If I use the old ipodpatcher with the same bootpartition.bin, it also doesn't work. |
| 03:09:35 | Landus | Nico_P: Made the script. Forgot to chmod it. |
| 03:09:45 | Llorean | So, it's the reading of the boot partition, or the file creation, that is the problem |
| 03:10:16 | Landus | Sweet. TortoiseCVS picked up on the folder being a CVS folder. |
| 03:10:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: If I use your tool with a known good rockboot.bin created by ipod_fw, I can write it fine with your tool, and it works. |
| 03:12:26 | linuxstb | Can you now replace the firmware? |
| 03:12:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Also, the -rf returned an "Error reading from disk: Access is Denied" after writing some of rockbox.ipod (not bootloader) and resulted in yet another unrestorable with your tool iPod. :-P |
| 03:12:48 | linuxstb | So tests are going well? |
| 03:13:20 | Llorean | "Well" as in "I've found no way to use your tool to get a working iPod yet outside of using the old rockboot.bin I had sitting around" |
| 03:13:39 | BetaCookies | I'm having a theming problem |
| 03:13:44 | BetaCookies | It sorta works |
| 03:13:56 | Llorean | Just to clarify, ipodpatcher 1 -rf rockbox.ipod should result in it replacing the firmware in the bootpartition with Rockbox, right? |
| 03:14:05 | BetaCookies | but on the playing of a song, I get I|P|rptall.bmp|134|2| |
| 03:14:28 | linuxstb | Llorean: It should do, yes. |
| 03:14:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb: my tests show that new rockbox + old bl = ok for the ipod. not too sure why there's a problem with the h10 |
| 03:15:44 | BetaCookies | anyone here good with theming? |
| 03:15:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: And that gives me the Access is Denied error when I try it |
| 03:16:03 | Llorean | On a working iPod with Apple_OS+Bootloader |
| 03:17:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: Does the error get displayed before the partition table is displayed? |
| 03:17:16 | pixelma | BetaCookies: do you have by any chance misread the %xl (like extra-large) tag as %xI ? |
| 03:17:29 | BetaCookies | pixelma wha? |
| 03:17:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Nope, it gets displayed after it says "wrote 421888 bytes to firmware partition" |
| 03:17:55 | pixelma | did you write the wps yourself? |
| 03:18:03 | BetaCookies | pixelma no |
| 03:18:03 | BetaCookies | lol |
| 03:18:17 | BetaCookies | im trying to mix to together |
| 03:18:45 | BetaCookies | two* |
| 03:18:58 | pixelma | ah... ok - then I guess you need some patches (though I don't know which) |
| 03:18:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK. That's the part where it's updating the header. At that point, the partition is invalid, so it makes sense that you get a sad ipod. |
| 03:19:16 | BetaCookies | pixelma are you sure? |
| 03:19:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: So basically, -w seems to work (with a valid file), -r and -rf do not seem to, with -r creating an invalid copy of the bootpartition, and -rf failing as I've described |
| 03:21:03 | linuxstb | Llorean: The replacing of the firmware requires ipodpatcher to do a read, then a write, then a read, then another write. That sounds like your earlier problem as well... |
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| 03:22:13 | pixelma | BetaCookies: not completely as I only know cvs themes - but it's a good chance that you either need patches or one of the custom builds (forum is a good place for that) |
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| 03:22:41 | BetaCookies | all i'm doing is adding more images to the volume meter |
| 03:22:45 | BetaCookies | does that need a patch? |
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| 03:23:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: The -r function is reading from the start of the disk, not sector 63 |
| 03:24:26 | linuxstb | That would break things... |
| 03:24:36 | * | dan_a curses Cisco IOS |
| 03:24:37 | Llorean | Or at least, somewhere else. I'm assuming it's the start of the disk |
| 03:25:02 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just checked, and it's wrong. |
| 03:25:18 | linuxstb | It's just seeking to byte 63 instead of sector 63.... |
| 03:25:55 | pixelma | BetaCookies: since late august (IIRC) you can have as many bitmaps to show volume level if that's what you mean with volume meter |
| 03:26:02 | BetaCookies | okay |
| 03:26:04 | BetaCookies | thats what i'm doing |
| 03:26:06 | BetaCookies | Ohhh brb |
| 03:26:10 | pixelma | (in cvs without patches) |
| 03:26:22 | BetaCookies | well i used yesterday's daily build |
| 03:26:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Fortunately, the bug was in the read function, not the write function... |
| 03:26:54 | barrywardell | dan_a: any luck with an interrupt based sansa button driver? i tried adapting mine to the h10 and it works fine, so it looks like there's something different with interrupts on the sansa |
| 03:27:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: Quite fortunate, yes. |
| 03:27:49 | dan_a | barrywardell: All I've done so far is confirm that your version didn't work on my Sansa and didn't have any obvious errors |
| 03:28:08 | Nico_P | is it possible for gdb to break when a particualr variable is changed ? |
| 03:29:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: So the only unsolved problem is that -rf is failing with that "accessed denied" message part-way through? |
| 03:29:45 | BetaCookies | pixelma i'm gonna try again :P |
| 03:29:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes |
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| 03:30:21 | pixelma | BetaCookies: so you are editing the .wps file now? |
| 03:30:22 | dan_a | barrywardell: Is there something we've got commented out somewhere? In system.c maybe? Interrupts in general work, because things that rely on the timer interrupt are OK. |
| 03:30:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, the only one so far, I haven't tried asking it to extract firmware yet. |
| 03:30:52 | BetaCookies | pixelma yep, done and its working! |
| 03:31:02 | barrywardell | i've added the necessary code to system.c afaik |
| 03:31:03 | BetaCookies | pixelma thanks for the help :D |
| 03:31:50 | BetaCookies | hmm |
| 03:32:05 | BetaCookies | it seems the default firmware has a lower volume |
| 03:32:12 | pixelma | hehe, didn't have to do much... :) |
| 03:32:17 | BetaCookies | like half way was fine, now I use only like a quarter |
| 03:32:27 | BetaCookies | pixelma well you kept me company :P |
| 03:33:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: Thanks for the testing. I'll read the logs in case you report anything else, but it's now sleep time. Goodnight. |
| 03:33:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, no problem |
| 03:33:53 | dan_a | barrywardell: What does the GPIOX_INT_LEV stuff do? |
| 03:35:40 | Landus | Llorean: Thanks. The CVS repository fixed everything. |
| 03:36:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: I just updated this file with the fix to −−read-partition if you want it. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-2006-12-14.zip |
| 03:36:16 | * | linuxstb really goes to bed |
| 03:36:27 | * | BetaCookies goes to his own bed |
| 03:36:37 | * | Landus is in his bed. |
| 03:36:44 | * | dan_a wants to go to bed but is stuck in work |
| 03:36:44 | BetaCookies | ...with no one else [hopefully o.o] in it |
| 03:36:55 | barrywardell | dan_a: "set interrupt levels". i'm not entirely sure what that means |
| 03:37:39 | Galois | f |
| 03:39:28 | barrywardell | dan_a: it's all just straight from the mini-1g code so maybe the person who wrote that could explain better |
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| 03:39:47 | dan_a | barrywardell: Nor am I - I've been hoping to find out! I might make a build tomorrow with the levels inverted and see if I get anything |
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| 03:40:58 | BetaCookies | what audio player is rockbox most supported on? |
| 03:41:15 | barrywardell | dan_a: i suspect it's used to determine whether an interrupt happens when a bit goes low or high. |
| 03:42:00 | BetaCookies | ick none of the archos players hve color screens? |
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| 03:42:01 | BetaCookies | O.O |
| 03:42:11 | Llorean | BetaCookies: They're all quite old... |
| 03:42:21 | Llorean | And a color screen is hardly necessary, or even really useful in a practical sense. |
| 03:42:21 | dan_a | barrywardell: and most of the Sansa buttons are active low... |
| 03:42:22 | JavaUser | so where are the basic options for the scroll wheel and what not, I can't find them anymore... |
| 03:42:31 | JavaUser | I just reinstalled rockbox for the first time in months |
| 03:42:54 | BetaCookies | i cant exit bubbles |
| 03:43:06 | BetaCookies | "nothing to resume" |
| 03:43:26 | barrywardell | dan_a: same as the h10... |
| 03:44:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't really know how to test -ef without a working -rf, so I'm pretty much done I think. -r definitely seems to work now. |
| 03:44:53 | JavaUser | scroll wheel settings on an iPod anyone? |
| 03:44:53 | | Part diotalevi |
| 03:45:18 | Llorean | JavaUser: There is a manual... |
| 03:46:23 | JavaUser | I've googled the hell out of it |
| 03:46:30 | JavaUser | I've had rockbox before and never had a problem |
| 03:46:43 | JavaUser | but I just re-installed rockbox after a few months and I can't find them |
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| 03:47:28 | Llorean | JavaUser: I didn't say "Google" I said "Manual", which you haven't mentioned simply reading. |
| 03:47:35 | Landus | What does static'ing mean? |
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| 03:47:52 | Landus | BetaCookies: Archos, probably. |
| 03:48:06 | Llorean | Landus: It doesn't really mean anything on its own, so I'd guess it would depend on context. |
| 03:48:16 | JavaUser | Llorean, Googling inside a URL =D |
| 03:48:26 | Landus | "More static'ing, and a few fixes resulting from that." |
| 03:48:35 | Landus | CVS comment. I don't understand it. |
| 03:48:36 | BetaCookies | Landus i wouldnt like using rockbox on a grainy grayscale screen :s |
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| 03:48:51 | Landus | BetaCookies: I find it to work wonders on my h320. |
| 03:49:06 | Landus | I'm considering buying an h340 if I can find one for sale on eBay when I have the cash. |
| 03:49:09 | BetaCookies | *shudders* |
| 03:49:15 | Llorean | JavaUser: Try the table of contents of the manual, then. :-P Apparently you've selected improper google search terms. |
| 03:49:36 | JavaUser | where would it be... general settings, display settings, ect |
| 03:49:40 | BetaCookies | Landus whats the difference between the two? |
| 03:49:50 | Llorean | Landus: Just marking variables as "static". It tells the compiler that they're not allowed to change, and in many cases can allow for some automatic optimization of their use. |
| 03:49:52 | JavaUser | I've sat here for 10 minutes going through the menus, nothing about scroll speed or step |
| 03:49:59 | Landus | h320 = 20GB. h340 = 40GB. |
| 03:50:06 | Landus | Ah. Thanks. |
| 03:50:07 | BetaCookies | Landus but that has a color screen doesnt it? |
| 03:50:10 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 03:50:15 | pixelma | BetaCookies: I like rockbox on my Archos Ondio with a monochrome screen :P |
| 03:50:18 | Llorean | JavaUser: Are you referring to the speed at which the scroll wheel moves? Because the official Rockbox doesn't have an option for that. |
| 03:50:57 | JavaUser | Llorean, my first Rockbox install had it, along with misc things like backlight fade in/out |
| 03:50:57 | BetaCookies | pixelma *shudders* is the resolution something like 50x50? rofl |
| 03:51:07 | Llorean | JavaUser: Well, your first one must've been a patched build. |
| 03:51:25 | Llorean | BetaCookies: 112x64 wasn't it? |
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| 03:52:32 | ShadowdogMU | Llorean, any idea what patches that would be? |
| 03:52:54 | Llorean | ShadowdogMU: Probably TPDiffenbach's Scroll Acceleration patch, which doesn't even work any more |
| 03:52:59 | ShadowdogMU | =( |
| 03:53:16 | BetaCookies | Llorean I was joking ;-) |
| 03:53:18 | ShadowdogMU | The scroll speed is so slow!, try getting to a song that starts with a Y... takes forever |
| 03:53:19 | BetaCookies | OMG BROCK |
| 03:53:23 | BetaCookies | I think its too fast |
| 03:53:24 | ShadowdogMU | OMG ME? |
| 03:53:26 | BetaCookies | yes |
| 03:53:28 | Landus | ShadowdogMU: Can you scroll backwards? |
| 03:53:35 | ShadowdogMU | Yes, Landus |
| 03:53:40 | BetaCookies | I want to make the scrolling slower :P |
| 03:53:48 | Landus | Then getting to the Y's shouldn't be a problem. |
| 03:53:49 | Llorean | ShadowdogMU: A suggestion: Organize your music so that it's not all just lumped in one big folder, so you only have to scroll a maximum of 26 lines for a letter. |
| 03:53:56 | ShadowdogMU | It takes literally 2 minutes to get to Y |
| 03:53:56 | Landus | It's the inner letters. |
| 03:54:10 | ShadowdogMU | Llorean I just do the tag cache method with my itunes format |
| 03:54:10 | Landus | I agree with Llorean. |
| 03:54:11 | BetaCookies | Wait |
| 03:54:14 | BetaCookies | Here it is: |
| 03:54:31 | Landus | Use something like MusicBrainz Picard to change the tags and create and move files based on the tags. |
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| 03:54:45 | Landus | The layout on my DAP and my computer is this. |
| 03:55:11 | Landus | My Music\Artist\Album (year released)\Artist - Title.ogg |
| 03:55:22 | ShadowdogMU | That's how mine is |
| 03:55:26 | BetaCookies | Settings -> General Settings -> Display -> Scrolling -> Scroll Speed |
| 03:55:30 | BetaCookies | Brock ^ |
| 03:55:33 | ShadowdogMU | Really?! |
| 03:55:35 | BetaCookies | Yeah |
| 03:55:37 | Llorean | BetaCookies: That has nothing to do with the scroll wheel |
| 03:55:37 | BetaCookies | on mine anyway |
| 03:55:39 | Landus | Makes editing playlists. |
| 03:55:42 | BetaCookies | it doesn't?! |
| 03:55:43 | Llorean | As a quick glance at the manual will show |
| 03:55:43 | BetaCookies | meh |
| 03:55:50 | | Part pixelma |
| 03:55:53 | Llorean | it relates to the speed at which text scrolls when it's longer than a line |
| 03:55:54 | ShadowdogMU | <3 BetaCookies |
| 03:55:56 | BetaCookies | well then why did it change mine? |
| 03:56:02 | BetaCookies | ShadowdogMU its not it sorry |
| 03:56:05 | Landus | So I make a playlist in foobar and can make it work on my DAP. |
| 03:56:12 | Llorean | BetaCookies: Placebo effect, most likely |
| 03:56:52 | ShadowdogMU | BetaCookies, it sped mine up |
| 03:57:02 | BetaCookies | >.> |
| 03:57:07 | BetaCookies | ShadowdogMU are you sure? |
| 03:57:12 | BetaCookies | Sped what up? |
| 03:57:13 | ShadowdogMU | no |
| 03:57:17 | ShadowdogMU | it doesn't scroll faster =( |
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| 03:57:58 | BetaCookies | Brock http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5377 |
| 03:58:59 | BetaCookies | i'm stupid, how do I use a .patch file? |
| 03:59:07 | ShadowdogMU | I was just getting ready to ask you! |
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| 03:59:31 | ShadowdogMU | So sidetracking a bit, which has better battery life, Apple or Rockbox firmware? |
| 03:59:45 | BetaCookies | Apple/ |
| 03:59:51 | ShadowdogMU | and yet another, album art, do you still have to make a separate bmp or can it read embedded art in the id3? |
| 03:59:53 | BetaCookies | iirc |
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| 04:00:09 | BetaCookies | ShadowdogMU you need a patch for album art on nano, not sure bout 5g |
| 04:00:38 | ShadowdogMU | well my wps says it has album art, but none shows |
| 04:00:44 | Llorean | BetaCookies: Either Rockbox has a feature, or it doesn't, especially for WPS things. As long as it's not an issue of implementing a piece of hardware, there aren't differences between 5G and Nano Rockbox. |
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| 04:01:11 | Brock | woot |
| 04:01:12 | Llorean | ShadowdogMU: Seriously, try actually reading through the manual, rather than just searching it for things. Album Art is also not a feature of Rockbox. |
| 04:01:13 | Brock | mIRC is working |
| 04:01:26 | Brock | but why do wps say they support it? |
| 04:01:32 | BetaCookies | Llorean sorry. I just started using rockbox yesterday. |
| 04:01:34 | Llorean | Because they work with Patched builds. |
| 04:01:43 | BetaCookies | Brock you can put it in there if you use the album art patch. |
| 04:02:29 | Brock | do I have to make separate BMP per song? |
| 04:03:56 | * | Llorean suggests reading the patch details. |
| 04:04:11 | BetaCookies | Llorean I read them. |
| 04:04:25 | Llorean | There are a few options as to how you organize your album artwork. |
| 04:04:26 | Brock | share your knowledge BetaCookies? |
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| 04:04:38 | BetaCookies | Brock its clint |
| 04:04:50 | Brock | I know |
| 04:04:55 | BetaCookies | okay |
| 04:04:56 | Brock | I'm connected twice |
| 04:04:56 | BetaCookies | :P |
| 04:05:11 | Brock | had to have a staff memeber fix me, freenode had been rejecting my connection for months |
| 04:05:16 | Brock | I am usually always idle here |
| 04:05:19 | BetaCookies | ohh you got through! |
| 04:05:27 | BetaCookies | what was the problem? |
| 04:05:45 | Brock | not sure, but some staff member fixed me =D |
| 04:06:21 | Brock | hey BetaCookies, when are you usally here? |
| 04:06:29 | BetaCookies | whenever i'm at BBB |
| 04:06:36 | Brock | Wait |
| 04:06:38 | Brock | CLINT CLINT? |
| 04:06:45 | BetaCookies | Umm.. yes? |
| 04:06:50 | Brock | NO WAIT |
| 04:06:55 | Brock | -t |
| 04:06:59 | BetaCookies | Umm.. yeah. |
| 04:07:00 | Llorean | Is it possible for you two to take it PM, since you've fallen off topic? |
| 04:07:02 | Brock | lol, I just thought it was a coincidence |
| 04:07:08 | Brock | so back on topic |
| 04:07:12 | Brock | how do you use a .patch? |
| 04:07:14 | BetaCookies | *rolls eyse* |
| 04:07:16 | Llorean | This channel is logged so that developers can find useful stuff. |
| 04:07:34 | Llorean | Off topic conversation basically increases the amount of time they have to spend wading through it to see if someone left them a note here. |
| 04:07:40 | BetaCookies | Sorry |
| 04:07:42 | Brock | I'm so sorry Mr. Louden |
| 04:08:22 | Llorean | Brock: As for using a patch: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 04:08:27 | Brock | thanks |
| 04:08:31 | BetaCookies | yay tahksn |
| 04:08:33 | BetaCookies | thank8 |
| 04:08:35 | BetaCookies | thanks* |
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| 04:08:44 | BetaCookies | can't type right lol |
| 04:09:04 | BetaCookies | i thought patch was only a nix commands |
| 04:09:16 | BetaCookies | pah i should have known >.< |
| 04:09:39 | BetaCookies | okay anyway i'm going to slleep |
| 04:09:55 | ShadowdogMU | patching looks like too much work on a low level of sleep |
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| 04:50:39 | corevette | i downloaded the installer for linux, but after i extracted it, i can't open the installer |
| 04:50:47 | corevette | nvm |
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| 04:56:05 | Cassandra | Ho hum, waiting for wxWidgets 2.8 to compile *yawn* |
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| 05:00:37 | dan_a | For some reason I find 'wizard_pages' rather amusing... |
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| 05:08:32 | Cassandra | dan_a: Well, that's another thing to like about them then. |
| 05:09:03 | Cassandra | There'll be more commits to that file when linuxstb finishes off ipodpatcher and I can work out how to integrate it into the installer. |
| 05:10:44 | Cassandra | Most of the work since 0.2 has been under the hood. There really isn't much to show for it in terms of user experience. |
| 05:11:23 | dan_a | Excellent! I ought to have a serious look at the code at some point |
| 05:13:50 | Cassandra | I'm quite pleased with it. It's a little messier in places than I'd like (I started development using a GUI UI designer until I learnt enough that it was easier to handcode my GUI elements) but on the whole, it's pretty solid. |
| 05:14:17 | Cassandra | Once it does firmware installation I think it'll be ready for prime time. |
| 05:14:48 | dan_a | Does it save a copy of the original firmware? Or would that just be a nightmare? |
| 05:15:30 | Llorean | dan_a: Assuming ipodpatcher gets working fully, a copy of the original firwmare won't be necessary. |
| 05:15:41 | Llorean | It should be able to remove the bootloader and reposition the apple_os safely. |
| 05:15:57 | dan_a | Llorean: Not everyone has iPods ;) |
| 05:16:58 | Llorean | dan_a: Well, isn't the iPod the only one where craziness has to be done, whereas all the others, you can just rename the original firmware's file and/or move it to another folder (at least, all the others besides H300/H100)? |
| 05:17:11 | Llorean | Not counting e200, where it's not accessible, right? |
| 05:18:43 | dan_a | It's accessible on the e200 using a program Bagder wrote - it's stored in the first (unmountable) partition |
| 05:20:09 | dan_a | And we aren't able to directly boot MI4 files yet - as used on the Sansa and H10 |
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| 05:26:31 | Llorean | I have a quick C++ related question that is off topic for this channel, does anyone here mind if I ask? It should be a quick answer if anyone knows. |
| 05:27:43 | Llorean | I just want to double check: If I return new variable, that memory isn't deallocated until I delete, independent of scope, right? |
| 05:34:23 | Cassandra | If you allocate the memory dynamically in your routine before returning it, then no, it's not deallocated. |
| 05:34:36 | Cassandra | returning a pointer to it. |
| 05:37:31 | Llorean | Alright, that's what I thought. |
| 05:37:39 | Llorean | But I hate telling someone something without double checking it. |
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| 05:41:29 | Cassandra | That's why so many C++ programs leak like a sieve. |
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| 05:46:59 | Llorean | I suspect hers is going to too. |
| 05:48:38 | tychver | I'm currently trying to fix the scroll acceleration patch for ipods and I've hit a bit of a brick wall |
| 05:49:40 | Llorean | What sort of brick wall? |
| 05:50:07 | tychver | make fails at bookmark.c as it includes recorder/icons.h which includes rockboxlogo.h |
| 05:50:12 | tychver | and it's not there |
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| 05:50:25 | tychver | rockboxlogo.h I mean |
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| 05:51:02 | Llorean | That sounds like it predates the move to bitmaps then. |
| 05:51:59 | tychver | when was that? I had it successfully working a few weeks ago |
| 05:55:43 | jba | are there any plan to introduce a ratings system in tag cache? |
| 05:55:50 | jba | is anyone working ont hat , that might want some help? |
| 05:57:54 | scorche` | if you want to talk to someone about that, i would suggest Slasheri |
| 05:58:18 | jba | Slasheri, you round atm? |
| 05:58:38 | jba | this of course would be after we get the gigabeat to play sound, but I'm very interested in having that feature |
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| 06:06:33 | jba | scorche`, what timezone is Slasheri in ? |
| 06:06:54 | scorche` | i dont know |
| 06:07:06 | scorche` | see if it is listed in the IRCNicks page |
| 06:07:21 | jba | i really need to learn to use the wiki search better, it's so damn hard |
| 06:07:34 | jba | i have better forcing google to look at rockbox.org and searching through that |
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| 06:12:02 | scorche` | then do that |
| 06:12:39 | scorche` | wiki search is fine as long as you know what you are looking for |
| 06:13:07 | scorche` | then again, i have most of the info and where it is memorized |
| 06:13:12 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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| 06:14:10 | scorche` | Llorean: among others of course ;) |
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| 06:15:24 | Llorean | I swear it's going to take me an hour to get TortoiseCVS to check out the source code. |
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| 06:16:27 | scorche` | Llorean: vmware + cvs not good enough? =P |
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| 06:17:38 | Drkepilogue | hey |
| 06:17:42 | Drkepilogue | is there anyone here??? |
| 06:17:48 | Drkepilogue | that isnt idle?? |
| 06:18:06 | jba | Drkepilogue, asking those questions in irc generally gets you off onto the wrong foot |
| 06:18:16 | Drkepilogue | O_o?? sry |
| 06:18:19 | jba | anyhow, what's up? |
| 06:18:24 | Drkepilogue | well |
| 06:18:36 | Drkepilogue | i fiannly got tag database working |
| 06:18:45 | Drkepilogue | but i notice |
| 06:18:52 | Drkepilogue | there isnt an option for accessing playlist |
| 06:18:58 | Drkepilogue | did i miss it? |
| 06:19:04 | Drkepilogue | or is it not there? |
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| 06:21:20 | jba | need to change your view settings |
| 06:21:21 | Llorean | Do you mean your current playlist, or playlists saved on the disk? |
| 06:21:29 | Drkepilogue | saved on disk |
| 06:21:34 | Llorean | Playlist catalog functionality should still be usable. |
| 06:21:36 | jba | so that it plays from the dataabse instead of from the filetree |
| 06:22:01 | Drkepilogue | hmm ic |
| 06:22:08 | Llorean | Drkepilogue: Look up the playlist catalog in the manual, or switch back to non-database view if you don't want to use the catalog |
| 06:22:13 | jba | Llorean, which system? I know for a fact that that information is in the ipod manual, as i reade it last night when I put rb on my ipod |
| 06:22:26 | Drkepilogue | ok, one question, do u need to add playlist to catelog?? |
| 06:22:28 | jba | sorry Drkepilogue ^^ |
| 06:22:38 | Llorean | jba: Is or isn't? |
| 06:22:43 | jba | is |
| 06:22:47 | Drkepilogue | its cool |
| 06:22:56 | jba | i generally play music by genre |
| 06:23:24 | Drkepilogue | well, basically, i want to view by id tag, but wanna acess playlist from time to time |
| 06:23:48 | Llorean | jba: It looks like the playlist catalog section is incomplete, actually |
| 06:24:13 | Llorean | Drkepilogue: The playlist catalog stores playlists in a certain folder. You can add playlists to it by simply copying them into that folder. |
| 06:24:21 | Drkepilogue | o0o0 |
| 06:24:24 | Drkepilogue | ic |
| 06:24:27 | Drkepilogue | ty |
| 06:24:28 | jba | while playing i hold the select button for two seconds |
| 06:24:29 | Drkepilogue | ^_^ |
| 06:24:42 | jba | that shows you the current playlist |
| 06:25:11 | jba | perhaps I misunderstood what Drkepilogue is trying to do |
| 06:27:06 | Llorean | He wants to view a list of playlists, so he can load one, rather than just looking at the current one (or that's the impression I got) |
| 06:46:18 | Drkepilogue | ok thanks for the help guys, i think i found what i am looking for |
| 06:47:21 | Drkepilogue | but just out of curiosity, wouldnt it be a little easier to navigate to playlist using the id structure, if there like a section for playlist on the main level?(like theres artist.. genre, date... and then theres playlist?) |
| 06:47:42 | Llorean | Playlists don't have metadata. |
| 06:47:46 | Llorean | Right now it's just an index of metadata |
| 06:48:45 | Drkepilogue | ah |
| 06:48:47 | Drkepilogue | ic ic |
| 06:48:47 | Drkepilogue | ok |
| 06:49:12 | Drkepilogue | well ok |
| 06:49:15 | Drkepilogue | good nite guys |
| 06:49:20 | Drkepilogue | keep up da good work! |
| 06:49:40 | jba | bugger am using the scaling patch and the ipod stil reboots on a particular song |
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| 06:49:49 | jba | actually shuts down |
| 06:50:27 | jba | hmm, that might be flat battery actually |
| 06:51:36 | jba | it would appear rb is more power hungry than the apple firmware, though that could be me playing bubbles on the train this morning |
| 06:56:40 | scorche` | it is |
| 06:57:56 | kkurbjun | amiconn: thanks for the pointers, I'm working on fixing the warnings |
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| 07:05:18 | jba | okay home time for me |
| 07:05:21 | jba | see you all later |
| 07:10:44 | Presence | Yay yay: I am back from using a pijulius build thats a million years old to following daily CVS! |
| 07:11:06 | Presence | I missed being up to date. |
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| 07:51:31 | Kilogq | !help |
| 07:52:00 | Kilogq | !list |
| 07:52:23 | scorche` | !therearenocommandshere |
| 07:52:47 | Kilogq | ok |
| 07:52:58 | Kilogq | So what's up? |
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| 07:56:48 | Cassandra | What's up is that I got obsessive and stayed up all night again. |
| 07:56:52 | Cassandra | Silly me. |
| 07:56:57 | Cassandra | So now I will go to bed. |
| 07:57:13 | JdGordon | weak! |
| 07:57:28 | JdGordon | go 48 hours without sleep |
| 07:57:31 | JdGordon | its fun! |
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| 07:57:57 | * | Llorean wonders why someone would come into our channel and immediately try commands. |
| 07:58:08 | JdGordon | he is looking for warez |
| 07:58:19 | Cassandra | JdGordon, not male. Hence nothing to prove. |
| 07:58:31 | JdGordon | ... |
| 07:59:37 | Cassandra | Hmm. That may have come out a little weird. Proof that I need to go to sleep, I feel. |
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| 08:00:43 | Cassandra | Night all. |
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| 08:22:19 | amiconn | uh-oh |
| 08:22:33 | amiconn | linuxstb_: The ipod bootloader builds are all red.... |
| 08:22:48 | Llorean | amiconn: He said it's because he changed the filename is all, and the script is still looking for the old filename. |
| 08:23:56 | amiconn | ah |
| 08:24:08 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 08:29:04 | Llorean | He's changed the bootloaders so as to make them more readily distinguishable (instead of all just being named bootloader.bin) in preparation for the finalized ipodpatcher utility. |
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| 08:52:25 | webguest20 | linuxstb_: ping |
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| 09:08:15 | * | Bagder goes checking the build scripts |
| 09:12:46 | webguest20 | From CVS log: "14 Dec 01:10 ... Also change the bootloader filenames to include the model name." Shouldn't this also be made for irivers? |
| 09:13:24 | JdGordon | re: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7678.new;topicseen#new is it better to just leave the "bug" or change the keymap to on|left without the prereq on button_on ? |
| 09:13:38 | * | amiconn just had an idea how the 80/G5.5 issue can be brought forward |
| 09:14:19 | amiconn | I don't think the hardware is different, but rather that the apple flash bootloader initialises it different |
| 09:15:04 | amiconn | So a ROM dump would probably be helpful, but since ata doesn't work, and serial doesn't work either (on any ipod), we need a special method |
| 09:15:47 | amiconn | We could make a special "bootloader" that dumps the ROM to screen. |
| 09:16:31 | amiconn | The screen has 76800 pixels, so we could dump 64Kbit/screen, with some extra checksum data |
| 09:16:37 | amiconn | (in b&w) |
| 09:17:08 | Slasheri | or as modulated audio signal |
| 09:17:16 | Slasheri | that should be easier to read |
| 09:17:17 | amiconn | The ROM has 8Mbit iirc, so that would just be 128 photos with a digicam, and a piece of software to decode it |
| 09:17:27 | amiconn | s/it/them/ |
| 09:17:57 | amiconn | Then we could take a ROM from a 30/G5.5 and compare |
| 09:18:21 | * | GodEater_Web stifles a giggle - "That sounds like fun, not!" |
| 09:18:23 | amiconn | Hmm, audio sounds even easier... |
| 09:18:25 | JdGordon | would a digicam give good enough photo to make it workable? |
| 09:18:51 | Slasheri | JdGordon: would be a pain to do that with digicam |
| 09:18:52 | Llorean | Audio's been used in the past, for ROM dumping from the iPod, hasn't it? |
| 09:18:55 | Llorean | Or specifically, the piezo? |
| 09:19:03 | Slasheri | audio is pretty reliable and fast |
| 09:19:04 | GodEater_Web | yep |
| 09:19:11 | aliask | Yeah, go ipl style and use the piezo |
| 09:19:11 | amiconn | An 8Mpixel camera should be good enough to catch ~80000 pixels... |
| 09:19:17 | GodEater_Web | think someone on IPL did it with the 4G |
| 09:19:41 | Slasheri | hmm, piezo could work as a serial port too with little modification |
| 09:19:48 | Slasheri | (only to one way) |
| 09:19:54 | GodEater_Web | neat idea |
| 09:20:09 | webguest20 | JdGordon: Few days ago, some problems with settings saving were reported. Does it work now? |
| 09:20:29 | JdGordon | depedns which problems your talking about |
| 09:20:41 | crwl | any half-decent (yes, I don't mean camera phones) 2 mpix camera should easily capture ~80000 pixels |
| 09:21:04 | amiconn | of course |
| 09:21:52 | GodEater_Web | flat bed scanner too ? |
| 09:21:57 | webguest20 | JdGordon: IIRC, the settings were not saved at shutdown. Or the like... Is hould search the IRC logs. |
| 09:22:08 | amiconn | Nah, the audio idea sounds better. Good old biphase code... |
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| 09:22:13 | webguest20 | Is hould -> I should |
| 09:22:32 | JdGordon | just grab the latest versio and test... I dont know of any setting savign bugs atm |
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| 09:23:01 | JdGordon | daurnimator: you getting acid rain out your way? |
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| 09:24:56 | webguest20 | JdGordon: I remember someone (Moor? Moos?) blamed you of breaking the code. But you were already asleep. |
| 09:25:08 | JdGordon | hahaha... that sounds about right |
| 09:25:25 | JdGordon | whenever sometinh breaks it seems to always be blamed on the poor aussie who is asleep! |
| 09:25:37 | petur | yeah, Jd's always sleeping :p |
| 09:25:43 | JdGordon | zzzzz |
| 09:25:58 | petur | hence the code he writes :p :p |
| 09:26:10 | * | petur ducks |
| 09:26:16 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:26:33 | GodEater_Web | well there's a nice story of how the piezo stuff was done on ipl - but no code! |
| 09:27:07 | Bagder | ok, I fixed the last ipod bootloader check now as well so next commit should be "ld" clean again |
| 09:27:44 | JdGordon | done already |
| 09:27:47 | JdGordon | clean table |
| 09:28:03 | JdGordon | except the funny warning with the doom code, depending on which computer does the build |
| 09:28:28 | petur | another first from spammers: spamming for hair transplant :) |
| 09:30:05 | amiconn | JdGordon: It's not funny at all. The code isn't 64 bit clean, so 64 bit boxes will give sim warnings |
| 09:30:38 | JdGordon | s/funny/odd |
| 09:30:48 | JdGordon | but that clears it up |
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| 09:44:46 | * | JdGordon feels special :p |
| 09:49:10 | Bagder | #6436 "I'm wondering if it would be possible to play two different tracks..." |
| 09:49:14 | * | Bagder sighs |
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| 09:50:18 | * | bluebrother reminds of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7679.0 |
| 09:50:28 | Bagder | I bet its the same guy |
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| 09:50:57 | bluebrother | maybe we should have something like for wiki registration for FS too ... |
| 09:51:26 | bluebrother | we could add some secret code to the FS howto and as users for the magic word before they get submission privileges |
| 09:51:34 | Llorean | Bagder: I'm afraid I'm responsible for that one. |
| 09:51:40 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:51:48 | Llorean | Bagder: He posted on the forums, and I said "This isn't the place for feature requests" |
| 09:51:59 | Bagder | yeah, I read that |
| 09:52:02 | bluebrother | but I guess something like for the wiki isn't as easy to do. |
| 09:52:33 | * | bluebrother thinks this is a support question |
| 09:52:34 | Llorean | Though, my response was more regarding the simultaneously. |
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| 09:54:07 | ptw419 | anyone here familiar w/ jtag? |
| 09:54:24 | Bagder | not really |
| 09:54:28 | Bagder | me that is |
| 09:54:39 | bluebrother | I'm using one at uni, but that's all. |
| 09:55:20 | ptw419 | with jtag all i would have to do is make a cheap jtag cable, download the software, and find the jtag port on the device? |
| 09:55:44 | ptw419 | yo start w/ that is |
| 09:55:47 | bluebrother | the "cheap" doesn't work for all chips |
| 09:55:50 | ptw419 | to* |
| 09:55:57 | ptw419 | ah i c |
| 09:56:19 | Bagder | you need a jtag wiggler as well |
| 09:56:34 | bluebrother | what chip do you want to start with? |
| 09:56:34 | Bagder | like the macraigor |
| 09:56:58 | ptw419 | i.mx31 |
| 09:57:13 | bluebrother | ehm ... and what chip is that? PP? |
| 09:57:25 | Bagder | its a freescale ARM based one |
| 09:57:30 | ptw419 | ARM 11 |
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| 09:57:37 | Bagder | zune / gigabeat S, right? |
| 09:57:41 | ptw419 | yes |
| 09:58:00 | bluebrother | I don't think that works with any kind of cheap cable |
| 09:58:10 | bluebrother | but I don't have any idea. |
| 09:58:32 | ptw419 | i want to see what level of jtag security is enabled on zune/gigabeat S |
| 09:58:45 | ptw419 | among other thibgs |
| 09:58:52 | ptw419 | things* |
| 09:59:19 | ptw419 | why wouldn't a cheap one do? |
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| 10:00:35 | Bagder | you'd of course need support for the particular ARM core I believe |
| 10:01:18 | Bagder | like http://lauterbach.com/frames.html?bdmarm11.html |
| 10:01:21 | Bagder | brb |
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| 10:01:40 | bluebrother | and afaik for the particular chip you're using (b/c ARM sells only softcores) |
| 10:03:21 | ptw419 | i c |
| 10:06:14 | bluebrother | if you just want to give JTAG debugging a try you could have a look at the AVR dragon, but that's 8 bit (and thus a completely different story). At least the board is while a bit limited pretty cheap (~70EUR in Germany) |
| 10:06:31 | bluebrother | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?family_id=607&family_name=AVR+8%2DBit+RISC+&tool_id=3891 |
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| 10:08:20 | ptw419 | thanx i'll try that |
| 10:08:39 | bluebrother | remember, it won't work with any type of ARM chips |
| 10:08:49 | ptw419 | would be interesting to get familiar w/ it |
| 10:09:05 | * | bluebrother likes the AVR family for 8bit |
| 10:09:23 | Bagder | tried their 32bit versions? |
| 10:09:33 | bluebrother | not yet |
| 10:09:47 | bluebrother | but I'd like to if I get the chance |
| 10:10:02 | Bagder | me neither, only read about them |
| 10:11:00 | Slasheri | i would be also interested about their 32-bit integrated usb or ethernet controllers |
| 10:11:07 | Slasheri | otherwise, avrs are great |
| 10:11:47 | bluebrother | I just ordered a dragon, I'm pretty curious how good it works on linux |
| 10:12:01 | bluebrother | hopefully it arrives before the weekend |
| 10:12:19 | Slasheri | just got yesterday my latest pcb for eight temp/humidity sensors with avr :) http://ihme.org/~miipekk/joku_pcb.jpg |
| 10:12:30 | Bagder | at32ap7000 => 32bit avr with usb/eth and more |
| 10:12:47 | bluebrother | Slasheri: nice |
| 10:13:47 | Bagder | coffee refill time |
| 10:14:22 | * | bluebrother notices AVR Z-Link |
| 10:16:28 | JdGordon | how small is the plugin buffer on the targets with low mem? |
| 10:17:33 | JdGordon | would a 25K buffer be safe on all targets/ |
| 10:17:36 | JdGordon | ? |
| 10:19:36 | JdGordon | hmm.. smallest targets have 32k buffer, so I should be right... |
| 10:20:27 | Llorean | What is it? |
| 10:20:28 | petur | hmmm just lost the label of my h340 - didn't do anything special |
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| 10:23:08 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: when you wake up / start paynig attention - I've got another patch for ipodpatcher.c, since the one in CVS at the moment doesn't compile |
| 10:23:39 | bluebrother | anyone familiar with eclipse / cdt? |
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| 10:26:45 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: oh, and I like the tidying up you did with yesetrday's patch - makes it much more readable - wish I'd thought of that :) |
| 10:31:57 | linuxstb_ | GodEater_Web: Gimme it. |
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| 10:32:26 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: submit it through flyspray again ? |
| 10:33:01 | linuxstb | No need for that - can you put it on the web somewhere and give me the URL? http://pastebin.ca would be fine. |
| 10:34:53 | GodEater_Web | ok - although just looking it, it looks like there's more changes than I'd have expected (are you line endings correct throughout?) |
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| 10:35:16 | GodEater_Web | oops - bloody web client |
| 10:35:39 | linuxstb | Yes, no problems with the line-endings (Unix everywhere...) |
| 10:36:00 | linuxstb | Maybe you've just added/deleted whitespace? Or TABs? |
| 10:36:30 | Bagder | use diff -b perhaps? |
| 10:36:36 | GodEater_Web | erm - I'll double check |
| 10:37:04 | GodEater_Web | -b looks much more healthy :) |
| 10:37:48 | GodEater_Web | http://pastebin.ca/278705 |
| 10:39:06 | GodEater_Web | wish I could properly checkout from cvs at work - it's a pain doing it through ViewCVS |
| 10:39:16 | linuxstb | I thought I committed that fix last night... |
| 10:39:41 | GodEater_Web | that's what seemed to be in CVS this morning - although as indicated I'm looking at it through the web interface |
| 10:39:59 | linuxstb | No, my commit didn't happen - "#cvs" won't work... |
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| 10:40:21 | linuxstb | Now it's committed... |
| 10:40:35 | GodEater_Web | heh |
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| 10:40:53 | linuxstb | But thanks anyway. |
| 10:41:06 | GodEater_Web | haha - nice log entry :) |
| 10:41:19 | linuxstb | That's what I wrote at 2.30am this morning... |
| 10:41:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: Did you have any clue what might give the "Error reading from disk: Access is denied" problem? |
| 10:42:33 | linuxstb | Llorean: I've no idea, no. Did you say that you could replicate it by doing a read followed by a write (or vice-versa) with the old version of ipodpatcher? |
| 10:43:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: I can use -w with an old-style rockboot.bin without a problem |
| 10:43:09 | linuxstb | Also, which flavour of Windows are you using? |
| 10:43:09 | Llorean | It's just -rf that doesn't work. |
| 10:43:22 | Llorean | Windows XP MCE 2003 |
| 10:43:44 | GodEater_Web | Media centre ? |
| 10:43:47 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 10:43:53 | Llorean | For some reason that's popular on laptops these days |
| 10:44:03 | linuxstb | I guess for media playing... |
| 10:44:04 | GodEater_Web | mine came with XP Pro =/ |
| 10:44:35 | linuxstb | mine came with Mac OS X |
| 10:44:44 | Llorean | My next laptop is gonna be a Mac. |
| 10:44:52 | Bagder | mine will get debian ;-) |
| 10:44:56 | bluebrother | I explicitly wanted to get xp pro when I bought mine |
| 10:45:07 | Llorean | I'm putting some form of Linux on my desktop next week, but I haven't decided on the flavour yet. |
| 10:45:13 | bluebrother | (as os x isn't officially available on ia32) |
| 10:45:18 | GodEater_Web | I'm still hunting for someone in the office with a Vista install :) |
| 10:45:38 | Llorean | bluebrother: I didn't have a choice. It was a warranty replacement and there was only one laptop available that was even reasonably close to what they were replacing. |
| 10:46:00 | * | Llorean plans to avoid Vista like he does certain insects and variants of the plague. |
| 10:46:18 | * | petur agrees with Llorean |
| 10:46:24 | GodEater_Web | I like torturing my laptop :) |
| 10:46:31 | * | bluebrother won't try vista on his current laptop |
| 10:46:44 | bluebrother | I'm usually running linux anyway :) |
| 10:47:29 | petur | based on the fact that we're only now doing (partial) transition to xp at work, I think Vista is a long way off here :) |
| 10:47:48 | GodEater_Web | wow - and I thought we were slow here ! |
| 10:48:01 | petur | we're not slow at all |
| 10:48:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: If I use the -ef option to extract firmware, it should extract just the apple_os even if there's a rockbox bootloader right? |
| 10:48:11 | * | GodEater_Web can still see NT4 workstations from his desk |
| 10:48:32 | petur | we don't need xp for any of the things we do except testing |
| 10:49:06 | GodEater_Web | the traders here demand the latest and greatest as soon as it's physically possible, and they usually get it |
| 10:49:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that's the idea. |
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| 10:50:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: BTW, I would be happy to take suggestions for improving the usage text for ipodpatcher, or suggestions for renaming the options to make them clearer. |
| 10:50:32 | GodEater_Web | well if it extracts the apple image as well as a rockbox one then having "filename.ipod" as the example text is a little misleading |
| 10:50:39 | GodEater_Web | IMHO |
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| 10:51:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, with -ef, the apple_os.ipod I get is *almost* identical to the apple_os.bin I have sitting around from when I created the boot partition. |
| 10:51:21 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Why is that misleading? What would you suggest? |
| 10:51:45 | linuxstb | Llorean: The .ipod file will have a small 8-byte header instead of an (I think) 512-byte header for the old .bin format. |
| 10:51:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Exactly what I was about to type |
| 10:52:05 | GodEater_Web | well the .ipod extensions says "Rockbox" to me |
| 10:52:11 | Llorean | So, -ef appears to work perfectly, leaving only -rf as unworking. |
| 10:52:32 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: It extracts the apple_os as a file that in theory will be ROLO-able in the future. |
| 10:52:41 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: The idea is that you will extract the Apple firmware to "apple_os.ipod", copy that to your FAT32 partition, and then "rolo" it when you want to run it. |
| 10:52:41 | GodEater_Web | ahhhh I see |
| 10:52:43 | Llorean | It can extract any of the images you've put in the boot partition. |
| 10:52:46 | GodEater_Web | I take it back then |
| 10:52:57 | Llorean | Though, the two bootloader commands aren't enabled yet. |
| 10:53:21 | Llorean | And -rf, which replaces the firmware chunk doesn't work for me at least. I think I'm the only windows user to have tried it yet, so it could be local quirkiness. |
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| 10:53:55 | linuxstb | Yes, it would be nice to confirm if it's a general problem or not. In a way, I hope it is. |
| 10:54:00 | GodEater_Web | I've not tried it here on Gentoo, and not going to either - my iTunes library is at home so now way to restore it afterwards |
| 10:54:51 | GodEater_Web | it extracts fine though |
| 10:54:54 | linuxstb | From Linux, you can just backup your firmware partition using "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition-backup.bin", play with ipodpatcher, and then write bootpartition-backup.bin back when you're done. |
| 10:55:02 | GodEater_Web | true |
| 10:55:07 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: If you do a -r, pretty much no matter what you do can be fixed by -w the same file back |
| 10:55:25 | Llorean | Assuming -r and -w are working on linux. |
| 10:55:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, they are. But they're not needed, as you can just use "dd". |
| 10:55:38 | Llorean | But I forgot all about dd already. :) |
| 10:56:07 | linuxstb | Although as Slasheri discovered, you need to make sure you're dd'ing to the right disk.... |
| 10:56:28 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher should hopefully prevent such mistakes. |
| 10:56:35 | GodEater_Web | hahahaha |
| 10:56:35 | scorche | heh...same with JdGordon too ;) |
| 10:56:46 | GodEater_Web | yeah - sda1 is my boot partition here |
| 10:56:55 | GodEater_Web | not going to start writing to that thanks :) |
| 10:56:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, the file I got with -ef is a bit larger than the old apple_os.bin. It seems to have a lot of trailing 0s. |
| 10:57:00 | GodEater_Web | well not with dd anyway |
| 10:57:19 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that's possible, but harmless. |
| 10:57:25 | GodEater_Web | -ef and dd get exactly the same size file here |
| 10:57:55 | linuxstb | Are you sure you mean -ef and not -r ? |
| 10:58:11 | GodEater_Web | I mean -r actually |
| 10:58:19 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 10:58:39 | linuxstb | Does "md5sum file1 file2" give you matching values? |
| 10:58:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay. Just making sure. It's 59,412 bytes larger than it should be, it seems. |
| 10:59:24 | linuxstb | apple_os.ipod is 59412 bytes larger than your apple_os.bin? |
| 10:59:31 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 10:59:36 | Llorean | Well, no |
| 10:59:44 | GodEater_Web | yep md5sum agrees |
| 10:59:53 | Llorean | The BIN - 512 is 59,412 larger than the IPOD-8 |
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| 11:00:01 | Llorean | I subtracted the header sizes. |
| 11:00:13 | linuxstb | And 59412 is probably the size of bootloader-nano.bin... |
| 11:00:22 | Llorean | 59384 |
| 11:00:40 | linuxstb | So it's extracting the bootloader as well... (probably rounded to a whole sector) |
| 11:00:44 | Llorean | Yep |
| 11:00:48 | Llorean | But filling it with 00s |
| 11:01:04 | GodEater_Web | does -ef grab the extra image that you get with videos ? |
| 11:01:19 | Llorean | The space was used, but it didn't contain anything when I looked in the file. |
| 11:01:35 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: It doesn't here with Nano 1.2 |
| 11:01:53 | Llorean | It's just the firmware image, not the resource image. |
| 11:02:02 | GodEater_Web | I don't have a nano here |
| 11:02:06 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: No, there's never any need to extract that (unless you're hacking it I guess..) |
| 11:02:42 | GodEater_Web | I always wondered why the ipod install guide makes you grab it, and then you don't use it again |
| 11:02:55 | linuxstb | It is currently used (silently) by ipod_fw.c |
| 11:03:19 | linuxstb | ...when building the replacement firmware partition image. |
| 11:03:23 | Llorean | Because we completely unsubtly rewrite the whole boot partition rather than just the parts of it we need to. |
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| 11:05:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is the apple_os.ipod file 8 bytes larger than the size of the main firmware displayed by "−−list" ? |
| 11:06:53 | Llorean | The main firmware is listed at 5,559,808. Apple_OS.bin is 5,560,292, and Apple_OS.ipod is 5,619,200 |
| 11:07:44 | Llorean | It lists the bootloader's size perfectly accurately though |
| 11:08:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: Checking the code, I've found the bug - it's using the correct length (i.e. subtracting the bootloader) for the read, but the wrong length for the write. |
| 11:08:42 | Llorean | Gotcha. |
| 11:08:48 | Llorean | Another (minor) glitch tracked down. |
| 11:10:51 | Llorean | In regards to the -rf, it writes *something* to the iPod, but I'm not sure how much. Because the iPod stops booting, so it's written some data. |
| 11:11:52 | linuxstb | Yes, the error happens part-way through the process, leaving a sad ipod. |
| 11:12:54 | JdGordon | does rockbox have sscanf? |
| 11:13:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, it writes the whole rockbox.ipod file I think. |
| 11:13:35 | Bagder | JdGordon: yes |
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| 11:13:56 | JdGordon | Bagder: can plugins access it? |
| 11:14:11 | Bagder | nope |
| 11:14:40 | JdGordon | can it be added to the api? or is there a reaso they cant? |
| 11:14:49 | Bagder | yes and no |
| 11:14:58 | JdGordon | doom seems to have it? |
| 11:15:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: At least, it changes 368 bytes more data than the length of the rockbox.ipod file I tried to insert |
| 11:15:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: Rockbox has sscanf, but it's not built into the core |
| 11:15:56 | Bagder | JdGordon: in the ugliest possible way, yes |
| 11:16:05 | amiconn | Afaik doom links it into the plugin |
| 11:16:09 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:16:13 | Bagder | ../../../firmware/common/sscanf.c |
| 11:16:23 | amiconn | uh? |
| 11:16:29 | JdGordon | ok, ill make do without it then |
| 11:16:32 | Bagder | (from the doom makefile) |
| 11:16:34 | * | amiconn thought it would just link it... |
| 11:17:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, the write seems to work, it's the updating of the checksum in the firmware image directory which is failing - hence the sad ipod. |
| 11:17:14 | Bagder | well, it isn't compiled I guess |
| 11:17:26 | Bagder | so doom is the one that compiles it |
| 11:17:49 | linuxstb | Llorean: I fixed the −−extract-firmware option - new build here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-2006-12-14.zip |
| 11:18:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: It also doesn't put that crazy apple stopsign in the firwmare partition. It overwrites it. |
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| 11:18:31 | Llorean | Oh, wait, my mistake |
| 11:19:04 | Llorean | That was just an issue of my offsets in the hex editor |
| 11:19:13 | linuxstb | I should check if that Apple stop sign is checked by the Apple bootloader. We could stick some Rockbox ascii-art there instead... |
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| 11:20:40 | jhMikeS | any gotchas that come to mind if I use 6 reserved bits in queue message values? need one for a sent flag (never gets used in an actual message value) |
| 11:21:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: Now the file that -ef creates is 58908 smaller than the original apple-os.bin (didn't subtract the 512 and the 8 from their sizes this time) |
| 11:26:43 | linuxstb | Hmm... Do you see "55 aa 55 aa" as the last bytes in the file (excluding zeros)? |
| 11:28:22 | Llorean | Nope |
| 11:29:20 | linuxstb | Do you see them in apple_os.bin? |
| 11:30:07 | Llorean | In apple_os.ipod there's 59412 bytes of blank space after them. In apple_os.bin they are the end of the file |
| 11:30:10 | JdGordon | why am i getting "incompatible model" trying to load a rock on the sim (which was just compiled?) |
| 11:30:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: Can you try deleting apple_os.ipod and then doing it again? Maybe it's not correctly truncating the previous file. |
| 11:31:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: Check the size. It's probably a plugin that isn't enabled for the sim, and hence you get an empty dll / so |
| 11:31:36 | amiconn | (empty != zero bytes) |
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| 11:31:45 | GodEater_Web | I get the 55 aa 55 aa in mine if it's any help |
| 11:31:59 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Yes, so do I... |
| 11:32:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: its not #ifdefed out for the sim in SOURCES... |
| 11:32:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, it looks like that might be the case. |
| 11:33:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, now apple_os.ipod is exactly 8 bytes larger than "Main Firmware" |
| 11:33:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Which plugin? |
| 11:33:30 | Llorean | SO, it seems to work |
| 11:33:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not in SOURCES, but perhaps in the plugin itself.... |
| 11:33:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: bah, your right... the ifdef is at he top of the plugin |
| 11:33:48 | * | JdGordon doesnt base new plugins on battery_bench anymore |
| 11:33:53 | amiconn | If it were commented out in SOURCES, it wouldn't have been built at all |
| 11:34:06 | Llorean | So, -ef works. |
| 11:34:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Let me try something... |
| 11:35:06 | Llorean | For -rf? |
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| 11:37:28 | linuxstb | Yes. |
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| 11:41:55 | JdGordon | dlopen(archos/.rockbox/viewers/cuesheet.rock): archos/.rockbox/viewers/cuesheet.rock: undefined symbol: sim_open. ?? |
| 11:42:03 | linuxstb | Llorean: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-test.zip All this should do is sleep for 3 seconds, and then retries the read that's failing. (5 times). |
| 11:42:26 | JdGordon | haha.. woops |
| 11:42:31 | JdGordon | missing the damn rb-> :p |
| 11:42:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: It didn't wait 3 seconds per test. |
| 11:43:13 | * | linuxstb should check the win32 Sleep() function... |
| 11:43:26 | Llorean | All 5 attempts were within 1 second. |
| 11:43:45 | linuxstb | Ah, Sleep() on win32 is milliseconds, sleep() on posix is seconds... |
| 11:43:51 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 11:43:57 | linuxstb | So it waited 3ms :) |
| 11:44:04 | petur | lol |
| 11:44:05 | linuxstb | I assume they all failed? |
| 11:44:08 | Llorean | Yes |
| 11:44:57 | linuxstb | Can you download and try again? |
| 11:46:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: It reports that it's writing a number of bytes 384 greater than the filesize I'm pointing it at. |
| 11:46:12 | Llorean | Also, they all failed |
| 11:46:25 | linuxstb | Yes, it pads writes to multiples of the sector size. |
| 11:46:52 | GodEater_Web | so to 512 on a Nano 1 then |
| 11:46:52 | Llorean | So, the waiting didn't do it. |
| 11:49:09 | linuxstb | Can you try again? It should be displaying the location on the disk it is seeking to before the read. Can you let me know what it says? |
| 11:49:59 | Llorean | seeking to 0000C000 |
| 11:50:24 | linuxstb | That should be fine... |
| 11:51:21 | linuxstb | So you're getting the "accessed denied" error 5 times now? |
| 11:51:30 | Llorean | Yes |
| 11:51:43 | JdGordon | why wont my plugin open the file /blaa.cue? both tex viewers (which use te same rb->open() call work fine, but I get the error "WARNING, bad file name lacks slash:" ? |
| 11:51:56 | linuxstb | So it's definitely that read that's failing, which is odd, as ipodpatcher has done an identical read earlier in the process... |
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| 11:55:39 | Llorean | Is the "Error reading from disk:" your error message in the program, or part of the "Access is Denied" message? |
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| 11:57:33 | linuxstb | The "Error reading from disk:" is my text, the "Access is Denied" is from Windows. I display my own message, and then tell Windows to display a message for the last error. |
| 11:59:47 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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| 12:03:16 | JdGordon | can plugins in the sim not create threads? |
| 12:03:50 | amiconn | Guess o |
| 12:03:53 | amiconn | *so |
| 12:04:03 | JdGordon | :( |
| 12:04:07 | GodEater_Web | I'm sure you're on top of this already - but do you know where the "Error reading from disk" is coming from - it appears in two places in the code as far as I can see... |
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| 12:04:22 | amiconn | The kernel simulation would need to be extended for this to work |
| 12:04:32 | amiconn | Maybe it's just missing in the api for the sims |
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| 12:04:50 | JdGordon | no, creationg the thread fails |
| 12:05:17 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: I just noticed that, there's the one in ipod_read and the one in... wherever that other one is. |
| 12:05:24 | Llorean | In the ipodpatcher.c file somewhere |
| 12:05:48 | GodEater_Web | read_partinfo() |
| 12:05:52 | Llorean | Yeah, that one |
| 12:06:03 | Llorean | Though it looks like if one happens, the other should too. |
| 12:06:11 | GodEater_Web | also my interpretatino |
| 12:06:19 | GodEater_Web | infact - I'd have thought you'd get both |
| 12:06:21 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: The read that fails is near the end of the replace_firmware() function |
| 12:07:01 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: And yet I only get the message once. |
| 12:07:11 | GodEater_Web | line 510 ish ? |
| 12:07:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: Well, create_thread() _should_ work, but in order for this to work properly, you'd need to implement remove_thread() in uisimulator/sdl/thread-sdl.c as well |
| 12:07:42 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Yes. |
| 12:07:54 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok |
| 12:08:08 | amiconn | I doubt tsr plugins will work in the sim without further work |
| 12:08:45 | GodEater_Web | well that would explain only one Error reading from disk message then |
| 12:09:11 | * | linuxstb has an idea... |
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| 12:10:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: Can you try again now? |
| 12:10:37 | Llorean | Same download, the test one? |
| 12:10:41 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 12:11:22 | linuxstb | I think that should fix it... |
| 12:11:29 | GodEater_Web | fingers crossed |
| 12:12:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: It works |
| 12:12:17 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher first opens the device read-only to read the information from it. If the operation then needs write access, it reopens it as read/write. But the win32 version was reopening it as write-only... |
| 12:12:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: BUT, my backlight doesn't, within Rockbox, for some strange reason. |
| 12:12:38 | GodEater_Web | oops :) |
| 12:12:41 | Llorean | It does apparently if I set it to "On" but the timed backlights don't. |
| 12:12:45 | linuxstb | Hence "Access is Denied". |
| 12:12:48 | Llorean | And this is with a rockbox.ipod that has worked before. |
| 12:13:27 | linuxstb | I've experienced issues like that with the backlight. But only when running the Apple firmware I think - i.e. the Apple firmware would start without backlight, then I would need to toggle it off then on again. |
| 12:14:11 | Llorean | Ah, yes, timed works if I toggle off then on again. |
| 12:14:20 | Llorean | But this is in Rockbox. |
| 12:14:37 | Llorean | Booting Rockbox directly from the fw partition without a bootloader. |
| 12:14:59 | linuxstb | Do you notice an increase in boot time? |
| 12:15:06 | Llorean | It boots faster, yes. |
| 12:15:12 | linuxstb | I expect the Nano was quite fast anyway though... |
| 12:15:19 | linuxstb | (no wait for spin-up) |
| 12:15:26 | Llorean | I'd say boot time is about two seconds, maybe. |
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| 12:15:37 | linuxstb | And people still want a sleep function in Rockbox? |
| 12:15:41 | Llorean | Maybe 3, from "USB unplug" to "In Rockbox" |
| 12:15:56 | GodEater_Web | that's impressively fast |
| 12:15:57 | linuxstb | How about from off? |
| 12:16:22 | Llorean | ~2 |
| 12:16:31 | Llorean | Give or take half a second |
| 12:16:37 | Llorean | The backlight seems... unreliable. |
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| 12:16:57 | linuxstb | That should be faster than Apple's "hibernation" mode... |
| 12:17:03 | Llorean | It is. |
| 12:17:06 | Llorean | Also... |
| 12:17:12 | Llorean | The backlight apparently is... slow? |
| 12:17:20 | Llorean | It came on about 6 seconds after booting finished. |
| 12:17:47 | linuxstb | Rockbox probably doesn't turn the backlight on - the bootloader has already done it normally. |
| 12:17:49 | Llorean | Ah, it came on when fading was supposed to start. |
| 12:17:55 | Llorean | Yeah, that's it. |
| 12:18:00 | markun | amiconn, Bagder: the yield after every line drawing in the plasma plugin is slowing it down increadibly on the Gigabeat. Will yielding after drawing the whole screen be a problem for other targets? |
| 12:18:04 | linuxstb | So it's sort-of reversed? |
| 12:18:10 | Llorean | It's not really reversed. |
| 12:18:31 | Llorean | It boots without backlight, I move cursor, release, timeout passes, then the backlight flashes on and then fades, and then works normally from then on |
| 12:18:34 | linuxstb | markun: That seems like a lot of yielding... |
| 12:19:16 | markun | linuxstb: yes, in our case 320 timer per frame.. |
| 12:19:46 | linuxstb | Does the cvs log tell you anything about it? |
| 12:20:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, -rf with apple_os.ipod even works. |
| 12:20:59 | markun | linuxstb: it was already in the initial version of the plugin |
| 12:21:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: And I've verified, even music plays after -rfing with apple_os.ipod, so all functions of ipodpatcher seem to work as intended at the moment. |
| 12:21:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: Goodness... Thanks for all the testing. |
| 12:21:46 | Slasheri | in my patch for the rombox on iriver, i have changed the backlight behaviour so that rockbox always turns on the backlight (fades it in) |
| 12:21:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: One thing, I think -ef and -rf should become -rf and -wf for read firmware and write firmware, to match -r and -w for reading and writing the bootpartition. |
| 12:21:58 | Llorean | As -rf seems confusing for being a write function. |
| 12:22:00 | linuxstb | Nice idea, I'll do that. |
| 12:22:05 | Slasheri | probably for example ipods should default the backlight off for bootloaders |
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| 12:26:34 | DraX | wow,rockbox is really awesome |
| 12:26:52 | DraX | the firmware on the x5l couldn't read the tags on my music (all done with picard) |
| 12:28:19 | linuxstb | markun: Did you say that mpegplayer is freezing after displaying the first frame? |
| 12:28:29 | markun | yes |
| 12:28:33 | markun | looks like it |
| 12:28:58 | markun | I should test with a more interesting first frame because this one is dark-gray :) |
| 12:29:39 | DraX | also, the games are really fun |
| 12:30:09 | * | Bagder got stuck on the local train yday for 90 minutes... |
| 12:30:19 | Bagder | luckily I had my x5 with me... |
| 12:30:22 | DraX | yup |
| 12:31:12 | DraX | boot time is a bit slow |
| 12:31:20 | markun | is it? |
| 12:31:32 | DraX | well maybe i'm just impatient |
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| 12:31:36 | DraX | but yeah, it could be faster |
| 12:31:43 | DraX | i should time it |
| 12:31:44 | Llorean | It's slower than the retail firmware? |
| 12:31:49 | DraX | Llorean: yes |
| 12:31:59 | Llorean | That seems unlikely unless your WPS has a lot of images... |
| 12:32:00 | markun | It's fast compared to the iriver firmware |
| 12:32:23 | Llorean | But then, I don't know the X5. |
| 12:32:30 | DraX | Llorean: i'm using one of the ones that came with it.. don't remember which |
| 12:32:36 | linuxstb | Someone should fix that WPS loading... |
| 12:32:43 | Bagder | well, the OF is entirely in flash while Rockbox is on disk |
| 12:32:58 | DraX | yeah |
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| 12:33:05 | linuxstb | Someone give Slasheri an X5... |
| 12:33:08 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 12:33:21 | Bagder | so the OF can boot without spinning up and should be able to be several seconds faster |
| 12:33:45 | Bagder | if you're not named iriver ;-) |
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| 12:33:51 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 12:33:55 | Llorean | 45 second boot times. |
| 12:34:03 | DraX | jeez! |
| 12:34:18 | Llorean | Sometimes more. |
| 12:34:24 | linuxstb | Maybe iriver are confusing the parameter to their sleep() function... It's easily done. |
| 12:34:24 | Llorean | It pretty much depended on how much music you had on it. |
| 12:34:29 | * | Llorean grins. |
| 12:34:35 | markun | linuxstb: do you know what could be the cause? |
| 12:34:44 | markun | of the mpegplayer problem |
| 12:35:17 | linuxstb | markun: Not really. It could be related to the frame-limiting code, but that just needs current_tick, which I'm assuming is OK on the gigabeat? |
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| 12:35:49 | linuxstb | (I wouldn't expect much to work if current_tick was wrong) |
| 12:36:05 | DraX | hmm.. are there plans to add gapless? |
| 12:36:10 | Llorean | To add? |
| 12:36:26 | Llorean | Rockbox has supported full gapless since before it came to the X5... |
| 12:36:26 | linuxstb | RB has never not been gapless... |
| 12:36:31 | DraX | ... |
| 12:36:38 | DraX | i have a _huge_ gap between songs |
| 12:36:45 | linuxstb | As in, it never inserts silence which isn't encoded in the file. |
| 12:36:52 | DraX | with oggs |
| 12:36:54 | Llorean | DraX: If your songs have gaps, then your files have silence in them. |
| 12:36:56 | DraX | so it shouldn't be an issue |
| 12:37:25 | DraX | does it read LAME tags to remove gaps? |
| 12:37:33 | Llorean | Yes, for MP3s. |
| 12:37:38 | DraX | .. |
| 12:37:49 | DraX | yeah that's not happening here.. |
| 12:37:52 | Llorean | Well, you mentioned that you were using Vorbis before. |
| 12:38:01 | DraX | yes, i have a mix |
| 12:38:06 | linuxstb | Maybe your Oggs are corrupt in some way? e.g. have id3v2 tags in them. |
| 12:38:11 | DraX | no. |
| 12:38:24 | DraX | nothing is gapless |
| 12:38:34 | linuxstb | Are you sure you're using Rockbox? :) |
| 12:38:37 | markun | Bagder: did you notice gaps on the X5? |
| 12:38:43 | DraX | Llorean: yes ;) |
| 12:38:48 | Bagder | I wouldn't notice |
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| 12:38:59 | Bagder | either way I mean |
| 12:39:08 | Llorean | Other people are getting gapless on X5 fine, I've seen them talking of it in the forums. |
| 12:39:16 | DraX | odd |
| 12:39:21 | Llorean | And last time I checked, Gapless was still working on my iRiver, though that was a month ago at least. |
| 12:39:27 | DraX | i could just be crazy |
| 12:39:52 | Bagder | yes, you *do* have a weird X in your nick indicating that ;-P |
| 12:40:15 | DraX | :) |
| 12:42:06 | linuxstb | Do your files play gaplessly in foobar? |
| 12:42:45 | DraX | linuxstb: they play gaplessly in xmms2 :P |
| 12:44:35 | Bagder | if you can dig up and publish one or two sample tracks, I bet we can throw them on the codec guys |
| 12:44:47 | DraX | foobar does weird stuff (silence removal) anyway.. |
| 12:44:59 | DraX | Bagder: if i determine that i'm not crazy I'll do so |
| 12:45:17 | DraX | Bagder: I'm just playing on shuffle now and the massive gap I was sure i was hearing earlier isn't there |
| 12:45:33 | DraX | so I will try an album that i know plays gapless and where I can tell ina bit |
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| 12:48:57 | Slasheri | DraX: also, be sure not to seek as that might break gapless with certain formats |
| 12:48:59 | linuxstb | DraX: Can you go into the main menu, then Info->Debug->View Audio thread and look at the codec and pcm buffers when Rockbox is transitioning between tracks? If either of those become empty, then that's a problem. If not, then I can only assume there's silence encoded in the files themselves. |
| 12:49:47 | GodEater_Web | also, shuffle doesn't seem the best way to test for gapless playback - you want tracks that are sequential which are supposed to sound like they run into one another |
| 12:49:57 | DraX | GodEater_Web: obviously |
| 12:50:12 | Slasheri | yeah, with shuffle, crossfade is the only way to get gapless |
| 12:50:12 | GodEater_Web | sorry - just wanted to make sure :) |
| 12:50:21 | DraX | GodEater_Web: 03:45 < DraX> so I will try an album that i know plays gapless and where I can tell ina bit |
| 12:50:39 | GodEater_Web | CGI::IRC keeps dropping me - so I might have missed that - apologies |
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| 13:00:36 | daurnimator | Bagder: hows the sansas? |
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| 13:00:57 | Bagder | daurnimator: in what aspect? |
| 13:01:07 | daurnimator | everything working well? |
| 13:01:09 | * | amiconn spots talk about gapless, and playback problems |
| 13:01:29 | Bagder | daurnimator: no sound yet, but the progress has been very good lately |
| 13:01:32 | rasher | Hey, I just popped in to bug Bagder, LinusN or Zagor about automatic voice-building |
| 13:01:38 | daurnimator | what cpu does it use? |
| 13:01:43 | Bagder | daurnimator: PP5024 |
| 13:02:02 | daurnimator | what else uses that? |
| 13:02:13 | Bagder | nothing afaik |
| 13:02:15 | amiconn | Slasheri, jhMikeS, others: Do you have an idea what could cause erratic playback behaviour (tracks not playing completely from start to end, wrong track played after previous track ended)? |
| 13:02:22 | daurnimator | ok |
| 13:02:33 | daurnimator | i'm seeing alot of sansa advertising aroun |
| 13:02:35 | amiconn | I have a folder that triggers this behaviour reliably |
| 13:02:37 | Bagder | daurnimator: but it is very similar to the 502x ones in the ipods |
| 13:02:41 | daurnimator | on bus shelters etc |
| 13:03:03 | amiconn | (34 flac files (gapless mix album), none of them larger than the buffer, on H340) |
| 13:03:33 | amiconn | I didn't observe such behaviour with mp3 yet |
| 13:03:53 | Llorean | amiconn: Have you tried increasing the anti-skip buffer, by chance? |
| 13:04:09 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:04:12 | Llorean | amiconn: I've noted buffer-underruns with FLAC and disk power down enabled. |
| 13:04:25 | amiconn | huh? |
| 13:04:30 | Llorean | The anti-skip buffer of course gives the disk a little more time to spin up. |
| 13:04:43 | linuxstb | So it sounds like the watermark is too low... |
| 13:04:49 | Llorean | The buffer underruns only caused a gap during playback in the past though |
| 13:04:54 | rasher | Bagder: Any news on voice-building, or still no time? |
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| 13:04:56 | amiconn | Hmm the anti-skip buffer implementation is still very wrong for swcodec |
| 13:05:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: The watermark is quite bad for FLAC, yes. |
| 13:05:20 | linuxstb | I only listen to FLAC, and have never had underruns. |
| 13:05:26 | Bagder | rasher: no news, nope :-( |
| 13:05:29 | linuxstb | (H140, ipods) |
| 13:05:59 | Llorean | I only have them with the default anti-skip buffer on my H120, and the disk power off setting enabled. |
| 13:06:18 | Llorean | And they won't always happen, it depends on the bitrate of the last bit of the buffer, I think. |
| 13:06:24 | linuxstb | I haven't enabled disk power-off, so that could be the difference. |
| 13:07:24 | amiconn | You should. It makes a big difference in runtime |
| 13:07:31 | amiconn | +30% or something like that |
| 13:07:54 | rasher | Why isn't it on by default then? |
| 13:08:17 | * | amiconn has disk poweroff enabled on all his hdd targets (except on mini G2, where it's not implemented) |
| 13:08:32 | Bagder | it should be on by default |
| 13:08:37 | linuxstb | I never listen for long enough periods to be worried about runtime, but yes, I should enable it. |
| 13:08:58 | Slasheri | i keep the anti-skip buffer always at maximum. It ensures all track switches are cross-faded and has a little impact (if at all) on runtime |
| 13:09:20 | rasher | Bagder: But it doesn't seem to be? |
| 13:09:33 | rasher | Or did you mean that the default should be changed? |
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| 13:10:23 | Bagder | that's what I meant |
| 13:10:38 | Slasheri | probably it shouldn't even be an option |
| 13:11:25 | amiconn | I always keep anti-skip at minimum. I never need it (and don't use *fade at all) |
| 13:12:19 | daurnimator | amiconn: isn't anti-skip used to get gapless working? |
| 13:12:22 | amiconn | ...and btw, why is the lowest anti-skip setting (still) not 0 on swcodec |
| 13:13:17 | amiconn | daurnimator: No, the anti-skip buffer is _only_ additional margin for the case that the disk spinup (until reading is possible) takes longer than normal (e.g. because the disk is shaking) |
| 13:13:34 | linuxstb | Do we all agree that disk_poweroff should default to true? Are there any targets where enabling it will cause bad things to happen? |
| 13:13:36 | daurnimator | amiconn: but when finding metadata? |
| 13:13:40 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with gapless |
| 13:13:50 | Slasheri | hmm, not sure about that but for me it sounds more logical that the anti-skip settings tells excactly the limit when buffering will be started |
| 13:13:53 | daurnimator | surely it finds the metadata or something, and ends up skiping? |
| 13:14:06 | amiconn | Rockbox buffers as much as possible, independent of track boundaries |
| 13:14:15 | rasher | Slasheri: that's what I would expect, from the manual description |
| 13:14:16 | Slasheri | so 0s would mean playback will skip |
| 13:14:26 | Slasheri | and nobody wants that.. |
| 13:14:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: That doesn't make sense. |
| 13:15:05 | amiconn | It's not buffer margin (that would be too technical for the average user and hence silly), but anti-skip buffer, i.e. additional |
| 13:15:11 | rasher | From reading the manual, setting anti-skip to 5s, means "when the main buffer holds 5s of music, start re-buffering" |
| 13:15:19 | amiconn | On archos it is, I keep it at 0, and I never get skips |
| 13:15:24 | linuxstb | So the "anti-skip" buffer is the amount of PCM data Rockbox decodes in advance? |
| 13:15:31 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:15:50 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it's the amount on undecoded data kept always in the codec buffer |
| 13:15:55 | Slasheri | *of |
| 13:16:13 | rasher | Which seems silly to set at 0s. |
| 13:16:19 | Slasheri | true |
| 13:16:30 | Slasheri | unless pcm buffer is huge |
| 13:17:02 | linuxstb | Does that take account of bitrate then? |
| 13:17:28 | rasher | It would seem not, from the flac problems |
| 13:17:30 | amiconn | It should, but it seems it doesn't on swcodec (or not correctly) |
| 13:17:31 | Slasheri | yep, it takes account of the format and bitrate |
| 13:17:42 | Slasheri | or at least it should do that |
| 13:17:43 | rasher | Well then |
| 13:18:09 | linuxstb | But there can be big spikes in VBR files, so maybe that's the issue... |
| 13:18:46 | rasher | Ah, maybe a safety-margin should be added to vbr files |
| 13:18:56 | rasher | add 25% to the average bitrate or something |
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| 13:28:34 | rasher | Looks like disk_poweroff was added for diagnostics and testing, and never touched again |
| 13:29:52 | rasher | Would be nice if viewcvs had a way to show a single commit with all touched files |
| 13:30:40 | Bagder | I bet it can for svn ;-) |
| 13:31:09 | Bagder | since cvs has no proper notion of "single commit" |
| 13:31:22 | rasher | Ah, I guess that's a problem |
| 13:31:51 | rasher | Someone would have to a) move to svn b) update to viewvc |
| 13:31:59 | Bagder | yeps |
| 13:32:49 | preglow | why, what a splendid idea! |
| 13:32:55 | linuxstb | :) |
| 13:32:59 | preglow | that can be your christmas present to us all, bagder :> |
| 13:33:05 | Bagder | great! |
| 13:33:07 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:33:10 | rasher | That and automaticly built voice-files |
| 13:33:15 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:33:21 | * | linuxstb just wants cash |
| 13:33:29 | * | preglow wants that too |
| 13:34:48 | GodEater_Web | I wanted a Wii but I'm not going to get one |
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| 13:35:50 | preglow | i'd accept a wii if it came with a huge television |
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| 13:35:54 | rasher | But about disk_poweroff, it seems really silly that it's false by default. It looks like it was just forgotten 4 years ago. At least from looking at settings.h |
| 13:36:04 | rasher | Or .c, I forget now. |
| 13:36:18 | Bagder | I say change the default and commit |
| 13:36:31 | linuxstb | Most new features are like that - disabled by default and then never reviewed... |
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| 13:37:00 | rasher | That's probably what happened |
| 13:37:57 | rasher | Why is it even an option? |
| 13:38:06 | rasher | Is there any good reason to disable it? |
| 13:38:16 | * | pixelma points at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 in the name of n1s... |
| 13:38:17 | rasher | Assuming that there's not some hardware on which it breaks completely |
| 13:38:37 | rasher | Slightly faster spinups? |
| 13:38:46 | petur | heh, did n1s steal rasher's nick? |
| 13:38:56 | Bagder | there's a significant speed change |
| 13:39:16 | Bagder | and then there's the suspicious measurements done by Zagor a billion years ago |
| 13:39:39 | Bagder | where his Archos used less power in sleep and then in power-off |
| 13:39:44 | preglow | significant? it's about half a second |
| 13:39:55 | preglow | we should just remove the option, if you ask me |
| 13:40:09 | rasher | That patch up there does jsut that, it seems |
| 13:40:09 | Bagder | I think it's more than half on the 2.5" disks, but I don't remember exactly |
| 13:40:14 | GodEater_Web | preglow: I gave myself a pressie of a biggish tellie a few weeks back - so the Wii would have plenty of nice company :) |
| 13:40:33 | rasher | petur: No, I can assure you that I'm me. |
| 13:40:54 | rasher | I'm even wearing this dashing cloak to prove it. |
| 13:41:04 | preglow | Bagder: by how much? and how can a disk consume more power powered off than not? |
| 13:41:24 | rasher | That's why the measurements were suspicious, I'm guessing |
| 13:41:30 | GodEater_Web | hehe |
| 13:41:58 | Bagder | I don't recall the details, really |
| 13:42:24 | Bagder | just remember me, LinusN and Zagor discussing that while eating an Indian lunch |
| 13:42:26 | rasher | Is it in the mail archives perhaps? |
| 13:42:26 | Bagder | years ago |
| 13:42:43 | rasher | 4 years, it seems. |
| 13:42:45 | GodEater_Web | I'm guessing not if it was discussed over a curry |
| 13:43:02 | Bagder | it might've been mailed about as well |
| 13:43:25 | rasher | Revision 1.93 / (as text) / (view) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Fri Nov 29 13:57:00 2002 UTC (4 years ago) by zagor |
| 13:43:28 | rasher | Added disk_poweroff to settings_apply() (still only for testing) |
| 13:43:35 | rasher | settings.c |
| 13:43:41 | rasher | So, around that time I guess |
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| 13:44:34 | preglow | rasher: just remove the entire settings and see if anyone complains :> |
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| 13:44:53 | daurnimator | a magical leoplurodon! |
| 13:44:56 | preglow | use "Fix typo" in the commit message so no one sees it! |
| 13:45:07 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:45:08 | rasher | A cunning plan |
| 13:45:16 | * | Bagder actually reads the diffs |
| 13:45:25 | preglow | haha, me too |
| 13:45:29 | preglow | but i suspect most people don't |
| 13:45:54 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0139.shtml |
| 13:47:13 | rasher | "These tests were made with bad equipment under bad circumstances" |
| 13:47:15 | rasher | A good start |
| 13:48:08 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0151.shtml |
| 13:48:19 | rasher | I was just looking at that. |
| 13:48:20 | Bagder | 900 ms diff in spinup time |
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| 13:49:13 | rasher | God, 2.6 seconds sound like ages already. I'd die without dircache. |
| 13:49:19 | Bagder | not really an argument to keep the option since I think 99.3% of the users value run-time anyway |
| 13:50:12 | * | preglow hugs dircache |
| 13:50:16 | preglow | another option that should be default |
| 13:50:24 | rasher | 2505 users on the map now. |
| 13:50:39 | Bagder | doesn't the dircache require a reboot? |
| 13:51:03 | Bagder | I guess you can tell how much I use that ;-) |
| 13:51:06 | preglow | probably only if it's enabled by default |
| 13:51:08 | preglow | ehh |
| 13:51:11 | preglow | NOT enabled by default |
| 13:51:27 | preglow | dircache needs to allocate som memory, and all stuff that needs to do that needs to run at startup |
| 13:51:57 | GodEater_Web | is a ROLO good enough? |
| 13:52:02 | preglow | sure |
| 13:52:02 | GodEater_Web | or does it REALLY need a restart |
| 13:52:26 | linuxstb | ROLO is REALLY a restart, in software terms. |
| 13:52:41 | GodEater_Web | that's what I thought - just wanted to check though |
| 13:52:43 | preglow | it's pretty much just a soft reboot |
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| 13:53:24 | petur | ctrl-alt-del of rockbox |
| 13:53:32 | GodEater_Web | three fingered salute |
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| 14:06:43 | petur | heh, seems my issue with forehead made it into the stats :) |
| 14:07:02 | Cassandra | petur, new high score@ |
| 14:07:02 | Cassandra | ? |
| 14:07:24 | petur | rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2006-12.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2006-12.php |
| 14:09:08 | Cassandra | Who knew such a thing even existed? |
| 14:09:13 | Cassandra | Well, you, obviously. |
| 14:09:36 | petur | I guess rasher knows it too :) |
| 14:09:54 | Cassandra | There's a distinct possibility, yes. |
| 14:10:35 | petur | Cassandra: then you probably also don't know of the map yet? |
| 14:11:01 | Cassandra | petur, I'm on that. |
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| 14:13:16 | rasher | petur: That's frontpage news on rockbox.org though. |
| 14:13:42 | rasher | (which accounts for about 60-70% of all hits on my entire website) |
| 14:18:00 | Cassandra | Apparently I talk too much. Who knew? |
| 14:19:10 | petur | everybody, it's a male/female statistic :p |
| 14:19:13 | * | petur ducks |
| 14:19:48 | GodEater_Web | petur is getting a lump of coal for xmas.... |
| 14:21:11 | petur | ...as usual |
| 14:21:54 | pixelma | petur: I guess you just wanted to add another "action" to the stats? ;) |
| 14:22:10 | rasher | petur: In fact, the stats know about male/female (for the ones where I could guess from the name). <span class="male"><a href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PeterDHoye" |
| 14:22:18 | Cassandra | Half a lump of coal. I wouldn't be that generous. |
| 14:22:45 | linuxstb | Half a lump of coal? Luxury! When I was a lad... |
| 14:23:01 | GodEater_Web | cue references to handful's of gravel etc. |
| 14:23:05 | Cassandra | linuxstb, how's ipodpatcher going? |
| 14:23:25 | * | Cassandra discovers rockbox-themes.org - that's pretty cool. |
| 14:24:04 | linuxstb | It's going well. It's working again on Windows (thanks to Llorean's testing). I've added a −−delete-bootloader option, and am about to do the last thing: −−add-bootloader. |
| 14:24:29 | linuxstb | It should then be finished give or take some tweaking and any bug-fixing. |
| 14:24:35 | Cassandra | Saving the trick bit for last. ;) |
| 14:24:44 | linuxstb | Yes, working up to it... |
| 14:24:54 | Cassandra | Had a chance to compile rbutil on the Mac yet? |
| 14:25:03 | linuxstb | Not yet. |
| 14:25:19 | GodEater_Web | I'm curious, what compiler do you use on OSX? |
| 14:25:25 | linuxstb | Just gcc. |
| 14:25:41 | GodEater_Web | I wondered if there was something more exotic :) |
| 14:25:57 | linuxstb | AFAIK, Apple use gcc to build OS X. |
| 14:26:04 | GodEater_Web | cool |
| 14:26:04 | Cassandra | What could be more exotic than gcc? |
| 14:26:25 | GodEater_Web | that old apple compiler with the insulting error messages ? |
| 14:26:32 | Cassandra | Do they have lots of enormous binaries then? |
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| 14:27:01 | linuxstb | They have their nice "universal binaries" now - two copies of everything... |
| 14:27:16 | linuxstb | Well, two copies of the code... |
| 14:28:22 | GodEater_Web | http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/91q3/cerrors.html <−− in case anyone was wondering.... |
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| 14:32:02 | Cassandra | I wonder who's behind rockbox-themes.org. It's all rather mysterious. |
| 14:32:20 | GodEater_Web | dunno - but there are a lot of eyesores there |
| 14:32:29 | Bagder | he used to hang out here |
| 14:32:32 | GodEater_Web | not many I'd want on *my* PMP |
| 14:32:33 | bluebrother | Cassandra: Mark Bright aka. RedBreva |
| 14:32:41 | woekele_ | hey people |
| 14:33:03 | bluebrother | he submitted a couple of patches against the manual about half a year ago |
| 14:33:03 | woekele_ | do you you about hcl :/ |
| 14:34:12 | Cassandra | I wonder if he's still actively developing it. It looks like the sort of thing I could hook into to put a theme installer in rbutil (unlike the wiki). |
| 14:34:57 | bluebrother | I still want a better file format for themes ... |
| 14:35:29 | rasher | A theme installer would require a) A pokable website and b) config in a file, wouldn't it? |
| 14:35:34 | * | bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6156 once again |
| 14:35:36 | rasher | Assuming you want to set the current theme |
| 14:36:13 | bluebrother | you could also simply install a couple of themes |
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| 14:36:39 | rasher | It would be nice to be able to pick your preferred theme in the installer though |
| 14:36:49 | Cassandra | rasher: I'm not so worried about the latter, although some sort of load config at start functionality wouldn't be too tricky. |
| 14:37:11 | bluebrother | yeah ... but also that could set some sensible default values for your player |
| 14:37:25 | rasher | The installer shouldn't need to do that, really |
| 14:37:29 | bluebrother | i.e. dircache on swcodec, tagcache on ipods etc. |
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| 14:38:17 | Cassandra | bluebrother, I don't really understand what that gains you over the current setup. |
| 14:38:18 | bluebrother | but why not do this using the installer? The experienced uses still gets the rockbox defaults while unexperienced users can get some nice defaults best suited to their player |
| 14:38:21 | rasher | Ah, I guess it would be a niceity for some people to be able to turn on tagcache when installing |
| 14:38:37 | rasher | bluebrother: I meant that the defaults should be sensible already |
| 14:38:45 | linuxstb | The "itunes2tagcache" program could also be useful for people. |
| 14:39:07 | * | linuxstb sees a busy time ahead for Cassandra... |
| 14:39:11 | Cassandra | I keep meaning to produce a "config file for dummies". |
| 14:39:14 | rasher | I won't stop suggesting new features before the bulk of rockbox code is in rbutil |
| 14:39:25 | bluebrother | Cassandra: I consider it as an intermediate step. Having a common format that the player can uncompress removes the hassle with different paths used in the themes zip file |
| 14:39:26 | linuxstb | rasher: What a good idea! Include the sim... |
| 14:39:48 | linuxstb | In a little window in the installer... |
| 14:39:53 | rasher | Haha |
| 14:40:18 | bluebrother | require the user to use the sim for ~5 minutes before actually installing :P |
| 14:40:38 | markun | add a 'demo mode' to the sim which demonstrates all the features |
| 14:41:00 | rasher | Better yet, add scripting functionality to Rockbox and include the demo in the default |
| 14:41:04 | Cassandra | Well the code is in CVS for a reason. |
| 14:41:18 | markun | :) |
| 14:41:26 | * | linuxstb scratches head |
| 14:41:32 | Cassandra | I even added a credits box to the latest release. |
| 14:41:50 | linuxstb | So fame and fortune awaits contributors... |
| 14:41:51 | Cassandra | So you get fame and glory (but no cash, sadly) too. |
| 14:41:54 | | Nick preglow is now known as head (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 14:41:59 | * | head scratches linuxstb |
| 14:42:02 | | Nick head is now known as preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 14:42:03 | preglow | :PP |
| 14:42:07 | linuxstb | lol |
| 14:42:18 | bluebrother | rotfl |
| 14:42:58 | Cassandra | So far it has me and linuxstb in. Who will be next? |
| 14:42:59 | preglow | i'd like to thank forehead for being so inspiring |
| 14:43:47 | Cassandra | Pain inspires genius. You should thank Petur for beating the crap out of forehead. |
| 14:46:19 | Cassandra | Anyway, things I'm planning for the installer in order of priority. 1) Bootloader installation 2) voice file download. 3) Config autoupdate. |
| 14:46:53 | Cassandra | Once we have (1) for all platforms, I'll be happy to call that a 1.0 release. |
| 14:47:13 | Cassandra | Well, and removal. |
| 14:47:24 | Cassandra | But that's quite an ambitious goal. |
| 14:48:16 | rasher | How about attempting device autodetection? |
| 14:48:59 | Cassandra | rasher: also a nice idea, but I'm sort of at a loss as to where to begin. |
| 14:49:58 | rasher | Fair enough. Well I have absolutely no clue, but it must be possible somehow |
| 14:50:15 | rasher | usb_device.product = 'iRiver iHP-100 Series' (string) says lshal |
| 14:50:26 | Cassandra | I think USB device id's are the most promising appproach. |
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| 14:50:43 | rasher | (but relying on hal being there is probably not a good idea, even on linux) |
| 14:50:50 | rasher | I wonder how hal knows |
| 14:50:53 | bluebrother | IPL's Installer2 has some autodetection |
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| 14:51:20 | bluebrother | rasher: iirc this gets transmitted when a usb device connects to the bus |
| 14:51:41 | Cassandra | rasher: Well it'd be in addition to the current stuff, so autodetect failing is not such a terrible thing. |
| 14:52:09 | rasher | bluebrother: Ah, so it's not always available to the os? |
| 14:52:25 | rasher | (unless something is keeping track of it, that is) |
| 14:52:55 | * | Cassandra updates her iPod. I love watching rbutil do its thing. |
| 14:53:36 | linuxstb | Can you make rbutil nuke itunes? "rbutil will be the only application for accessing your ipod" |
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| 14:53:50 | rasher | Actually, hal seems to rely on usb ids |
| 14:53:56 | Cassandra | linuxstb: Probably, but I'm not going to. ;) |
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| 14:55:07 | rasher | Getting usb ids should be possible on all platforms I assume |
| 14:55:23 | JdGordon | linuxstb: any chance of precompiled bins for linux going onthe wiki? |
| 14:55:27 | JdGordon | for rbutil... |
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| 14:55:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not sure how useful they will be - they are reliant on lots of libraries, so maybe best to build it yourself. |
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| 14:55:58 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 14:56:25 | * | rasher considers a debian package |
| 14:56:32 | Cassandra | It ought to be possible to produce a package for Debian or something. Someone needs to do it, though. |
| 14:56:44 | rasher | That work can be kept in cvs |
| 14:56:47 | bluebrother | hmm. How about building it static? |
| 14:56:51 | rasher | Just a debian/ subdir |
| 14:56:58 | rasher | bluebrother: Wouldn't it get absolutely huge? |
| 14:56:59 | bluebrother | or will it get like 23MiB size? |
| 14:57:16 | rasher | I have a feeling it would. wxwidgets, possibly gtk? |
| 14:57:30 | bluebrother | hmm. Someone should try ;-) |
| 14:57:42 | linuxstb | I think most people would have the gtk libs installed. But wxwidgets should probably be linked statically. |
| 14:57:49 | bluebrother | as for windows you also need to have wxwidgets in the package |
| 14:57:55 | rasher | Cassandra: Want usb ids of various devices? I have the file with them opened right here.. |
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| 14:59:34 | rasher | Well, some, anyway |
| 14:59:48 | rasher | No archoses |
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| 15:00:14 | rasher | In fact, only irivers |
| 15:00:14 | Cassandra | rasher: sure - email it to me, please. |
| 15:00:27 | Cassandra | Better than nothing, I suppose/ |
| 15:00:30 | linuxstb | Out of curiousity, here's a Linux binary for rbutil: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil.gz |
| 15:00:55 | linuxstb | Typing "ldd rbutil" should show what libraries are missing on your install. |
| 15:02:06 | barrywardell | can you just parse /dev/bus/usb/devices for supported rockbox devices? |
| 15:02:10 | * | JdGordon missing heaps of libs |
| 15:02:13 | barrywardell | (on linux) |
| 15:02:20 | lowlight | amiconn: have you verified your flac files that don't play properly with "flac -t" |
| 15:02:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Apart from wx*, which ones? |
| 15:02:52 | JdGordon | wx* are the only ones missing |
| 15:03:08 | bluebrother | only wxwidgets missing (on an old redhat box) |
| 15:03:13 | JdGordon | gtk2 and base |
| 15:03:14 | linuxstb | That's cool then. We can link wx statically and then it should work. |
| 15:03:36 | JdGordon | yeah, the other libs I would assume ar fairly standard |
| 15:03:38 | bluebrother | if wx isn't too picky about the gtk2 version ... |
| 15:03:52 | linuxstb | We'll find out... |
| 15:03:55 | Cassandra | barrywardell, I suspect so. |
| 15:03:58 | bluebrother | I'll try on a more recent box this evening |
| 15:04:05 | Cassandra | No idea how to do it on a Mac though. |
| 15:04:32 | rasher | barrywardell: Can we be sure that exists? |
| 15:04:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:05:15 | rasher | Or rather. Where's the best possible place to look |
| 15:05:21 | JdGordon | is /dev/bus/usb/devices the same as /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
| 15:05:53 | JdGordon | .. yes |
| 15:05:56 | barrywardell | looks like it's the same |
| 15:05:58 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be better to just ask hal? |
| 15:06:12 | rasher | bluebrother: Hal is brand new though |
| 15:06:23 | barrywardell | /proc is provided by the linux kernel |
| 15:06:25 | rasher | Relatively |
| 15:06:31 | rasher | I'd think /proc is the best bet |
| 15:06:38 | barrywardell | so should be fairly readily available |
| 15:06:49 | bluebrother | sure, but it will get used more and more |
| 15:06:52 | JdGordon | on my box they both are symlinks to .usbfs/devices |
| 15:06:54 | rasher | Or /sys/ |
| 15:07:10 | Cassandra | Anyway, see people later. |
| 15:07:23 | rasher | I think I'd try /proc/, then /sys/ |
| 15:07:37 | rasher | And then give up. |
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| 15:14:01 | JdGordon | should someone how has the power add a category to flyspray for rbutil? |
| 15:16:30 | linuxstb | In which case, the "Operating System" field suddenly makes sense... |
| 15:17:54 | * | linuxstb recompiles wxWidgets as a static library... |
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| 15:23:00 | Moos | Hello here ! |
| 15:23:30 | amiconn | lowlight: No, but they are encoded with current libflac |
| 15:23:33 | amiconn | (flac -8) |
| 15:23:39 | markun | hi Moos! |
| 15:24:10 | Moos | nice works btw for the Rockbox installer for all platforms :) |
| 15:24:17 | Moos | heya markun ! |
| 15:24:58 | Moos | JdGordon: around? |
| 15:25:04 | JdGordon | hey |
| 15:25:11 | Moos | HI |
| 15:25:34 | JdGordon | hey, wassup? |
| 15:26:00 | Moos | I saw your commits related to saving data like dircache/db |
| 15:26:41 | Moos | I thought you did have fixed the bug, but for some reasons??? the problem isn't completly fixed |
| 15:26:52 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 15:26:56 | lowlight | amiconn: flac -t will test the frame checksums to see if the files have become corrupt |
| 15:26:58 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
| 15:27:29 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator |
| 15:27:41 | Moos | JdGordon: yesterday, I updated my Rockbox build, and after that made me again the scan at all boot for dircache+commiting steps for db :( |
| 15:27:42 | * | JdGordon has cue support almost woring in plugins :) |
| 15:28:44 | JdGordon | dircache is annoying... how does the db store commit step? I dont think that was looked into |
| 15:28:49 | Moos | JdGordon: that's better than before your fix, but when I updated Rockbox, the problem came again |
| 15:29:09 | Moos | when the datas are saved? (shutdown)? |
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| 15:30:05 | JdGordon | the problem with dircache was that the last_sie variable was never set until shutdown (which actually happened after the last settings flush), if db does the same thing that nees to be fixed |
| 15:30:54 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: 45 mins late but, I think that bootloader installation isn't possible with a util on irivers (H1xx/H3xx) at least for the first time... You need the retailOS fw to flash a patched .hex file |
| 15:31:44 | Moos | JdGordon: before your last fix, I didn't can use db *at all*, but with your last fix, I used both a bit once I updated my Rockbox version :(, and like I created the db when all worked good; no problem, but now both db and dircache at all boot, I was obliged to remove db files... |
| 15:32:27 | JdGordon | hmm.. ok |
| 15:33:55 | Moos | did you planed to change tho the things related to saving for dircache/db in your menu monster patch? |
| 15:34:47 | JdGordon | not really... they will have to be handled a bit better, and if its done correclty it could be done before that patch is ifnished |
| 15:35:04 | JdGordon | as long as it uses settings_save() to save |
| 15:35:09 | Moos | ok |
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| 15:38:46 | pixelma | Moos: would be nice if more people join the tester team of the settings patch... ;) |
| 15:39:11 | JdGordon | yeah :) |
| 15:39:28 | JdGordon | although.. more testers means mroe bugs t fix |
| 15:39:45 | daurnimator | JdGordon: sup |
| 15:39:52 | JdGordon | not much |
| 15:40:06 | amiconn | lowlight: The flac files are all ok. |
| 15:40:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: but less complaints after commiting :) |
| 15:40:07 | * | JdGordon cant stay awake |
| 15:40:11 | JdGordon | true |
| 15:40:14 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 15:42:23 | Moos | pixelma: maybe I will, the thing is that I use my DAP some hours by day for DAP usage, that why I quasi *always* use official builds, less bugs ;P |
| 15:43:04 | Moos | but I test official builds since a while now, and spoted some bugs to relate here :) |
| 15:44:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you checked (e.g. in a hex viewer) that nothing silly happened to your FLACs such as id3 tags? |
| 15:45:20 | amiconn | I'm sure |
| 15:45:42 | amiconn | I ripped them all myself, with grip, on my amd64 machine |
| 15:45:57 | linuxstb | grip adds id3 tags by default... |
| 15:46:21 | amiconn | The option 'only add id3 tags to .mp3 files' is enabled by default... |
| 15:46:28 | linuxstb | Ah, OK then. I take that back. |
| 15:46:31 | amiconn | And the files _do_ play gapless |
| 15:47:01 | amiconn | ...but in that one folder, I get this reproducable problem |
| 15:47:04 | pixelma | Moos: try to see it this way: if the bugs aren't spotted before committing you |
| 15:47:19 | pixelma | 'll have them in the "official" build afterwards |
| 15:49:02 | linuxstb | Here's a statically linked (with wxWidgets) build of rbutil for 32-bit x86 Linux if anyone wants to try: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil.tgz |
| 15:49:26 | linuxstb | It jumped from around 0.5MB to 3.5MB... |
| 15:49:43 | amiconn | What are the prerequisites for building rbuitl? |
| 15:50:08 | linuxstb | Just wxWidgets. Cassandra (and I) are using version 2.8.0 (released yesterday), but earlier versions may work. |
| 15:50:23 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what Cassandra uses on Windows to build it though. |
| 15:50:32 | amiconn | Hmm, I hope that exists for debian-amd64 |
| 15:50:36 | linuxstb | The Makefile there was added by me. |
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| 15:51:28 | Moos | pixelma: hehe, indeed :) , the thing is not a lot of free time those weeks, but I already test in the past before the commits (swcodec playback, dircache, tagcache...) |
| 15:51:32 | * | amiconn wonders what pink filenames mean in bash 'ls -l' |
| 15:52:17 | linuxstb | I just compiled wxWidgets myself - download and extract wxWidgets-2.8.0.tgz, make a "build-gtk" directory, then do ../wxWidgets-2.8.0/configure −−with-gtk −−enable-shared=no - then make, then (as root) make install |
| 15:52:21 | webguest20 | What is the current status of the recording feature? There is a thread in the forum that reported some problems. But the discussion has stuck since then. Any news? |
| 15:53:09 | Moos | did you test first the last build? |
| 15:53:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: Images? |
| 15:53:59 | linuxstb | (as in .jpg) |
| 15:57:46 | bluebrother | ok, some xorg libraries not found. But I guess this is related to that machine still running XFree 4.2.1 |
| 15:58:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: My .flac files are pink |
| 15:58:34 | lowlight | amiconn: by newest libflac do you mean 1.1.3? |
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| 16:01:54 | lowlight | amiconn: can you run a logf build? I wonder if the issue is with the decoder or the playback engine. |
| 16:03:31 | amiconn | jens@jupiter:~$ flac -v |
| 16:03:31 | amiconn | flac 1.1.2 |
| 16:03:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you checked the audio debug screen during the transition? It could be useful to know if the codec buffer is empty, as well as the PCM buffer. |
| 16:03:56 | amiconn | That's what comes with debian-amd64 unstable |
| 16:04:16 | amiconn | I can hopefully check these things tonight |
| 16:04:20 | linuxstb | All my FLAC were encoded with 1.1.2, so I don't think that's the problem. |
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| 16:32:33 | kurzhaarrocker | Hi. The problem: my iriver ihp 120 is frozen. The lcd shows lock symbols for both, the main unit and the remote. It doesn't react on neither the lock switches nor on any other button. I can not turn the unit off. Is that a know problem? Can anybody help me? |
| 16:34:06 | n1s | There's a small hole on the bottom of the player labeled reset, isert a paperclip or other thin nonsharp object there. |
| 16:34:21 | Genre9mp3 | Have you tried to reset it with the reset hole at the bottom? |
| 16:34:32 | Genre9mp3 | ah... too slow |
| 16:34:38 | kurzhaarrocker | Argh, I never realized that button |
| 16:34:52 | * | kurzhaarrocker searches for somethin to push it with |
| 16:35:12 | GodEater_Web | dont' use a pin |
| 16:35:30 | kurzhaarrocker | Well - I used one and it worked :D |
| 16:35:39 | kurzhaarrocker | Thanx |
| 16:35:46 | GodEater_Web | well just be careful - it's easy to break the button inside with a pin |
| 16:36:17 | kurzhaarrocker | Thanx for that hint. |
| 16:36:21 | GodEater_Web | np |
| 16:37:50 | n1s | Anyone up for testing a patch? |
| 16:38:01 | kurzhaarrocker | What does it do? |
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| 16:38:40 | n1s | see, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 It basically removes the option and leaves disk poweroff always enabled |
| 16:39:47 | n1s | nothing big, just, that it has to be tested on different targets before getting committed (if it's wanted) and so far I have been the only tester :-( |
| 16:40:16 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: is it tested on h300? |
| 16:40:17 | GodEater_Web | I'd test - but I'm stuck without a rockbox-able player currently =/ |
| 16:40:18 | pixelma | n1s: there was a bit of discussion about it earlier today |
| 16:40:45 | kurzhaarrocker | I'm to lazy to set up the tool chain. If you want to mail me an image for the ihp120 I could test it. |
| 16:40:47 | n1s | Genre9mp3: yes, I have tested it every day for about a week on my h300 and it works fine |
| 16:41:06 | n1s | pixelma: anything interesting in the logs? |
| 16:41:53 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: Then there's no reason to test for you (since I only have an h300, too)... and Ondio (but the patch has nothing to do with that) |
| 16:42:07 | n1s | Thanks anyway :-) |
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| 16:42:52 | n1s | kurzhaarrocker: building |
| 16:42:58 | kurzhaarrocker | ah. cool |
| 16:43:26 | kurzhaarrocker | mail it to phil at carangg dot de and it will find me |
| 16:44:38 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: something indeed interesting in the logs... an advice from preglow: use "Fix typo" in the commit message so no one sees it! |
| 16:44:39 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 16:45:41 | n1s | ? |
| 16:46:24 | pixelma | n1s: you can check yourself, around 13:00 - as I understood most people agreed on having the option on by default - removing it entirely seems to be another thing |
| 16:46:31 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: check todays logs at around 13:44 |
| 16:46:33 | kurzhaarrocker | "works better now" was a commonly used commit message at my job. It didn't proove very useful ... |
| 16:46:49 | n1s | ok, thanks |
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| 16:57:39 | kurzhaarrocker | n1s: the menu entry is still there |
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| 16:58:29 | n1s | kurzhaarrocker: darn, I must have forgotten to apply the patch :-( |
| 16:58:50 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 16:59:20 | n1s | I'll send you the correct one |
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| 17:01:42 | n1s | sent!, now with the correct patch, kurzhaarrocker save your settings before testing! |
| 17:02:23 | barrywardell | n1s: i think you could leave disk poweroff on for the h10. i'll disable it if we get loads of problems reported |
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| 17:03:13 | n1s | barrywardell: ok, I'm not sure the patch ever gets committed though, but the default will probably change to on. |
| 17:03:55 | barrywardell | there seemed to be some support for the patch earlier |
| 17:04:27 | kurzhaarrocker | Now my menu is one entry shorter |
| 17:04:36 | kurzhaarrocker | (as supposed to) |
| 17:04:54 | n1s | well, we'll see what the "swedes" say (me doesn't count as a swede in here) ;-) |
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| 17:05:43 | n1s | kurzhaarrocker: well, that's hopefully all the difference that you'll notice if you used to have the option on before... |
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| 17:06:52 | kurzhaarrocker | Thus all feedback I can provide is: My h120 still seems to work and the menu entry is really gone :) |
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| 17:08:31 | n1s | kurzhaarrocker: thanks :-) if you _really_ want to test if it works, you can dissasemble your player and measure the current draw from the battery and compare to official builds, etc, or do comparative battery runtime tests, :-) |
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| 17:10:39 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: dissasemble the player? let him first play a bit with the reset hole... don't scare him away! :) |
| 17:11:04 | markun | n1s: we Gigabeat owners are lucky, we can switch off the battery and measure the current drawn from the charger |
| 17:11:09 | kurzhaarrocker | n1s: I hoped that if I didn't mention those possibilities you might forget them |
| 17:11:51 | n1s | just knowing it works, without breaking anything is good enough |
| 17:12:08 | Genre9mp3 | markun: the nice battery switch? |
| 17:12:40 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I've read the Gigabeat manual yesterday ;) |
| 17:12:49 | markun | Genre9mp3: yes, it was the only way to turn off rockbox before we found out how to do it by software |
| 17:12:59 | n1s | I have started to do runtime tests myself, got 14:20 yesterday with the patch, will try tomorrow without patch and disabled disk poweroff. |
| 17:13:16 | * | kurzhaarrocker must go away |
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| 17:17:35 | amiconn | n1s: The difference should be pretty obvious. Back in June I got 20:26 with disk poweroff and 15:24 without disk poweroff (H340, stock battery, mp3) |
| 17:18:18 | n1s | amiconn: good to know, I used q6 vorbis and was surprised that it lasted that long. |
| 17:19:14 | PaulPosition | Wow... I can't wait for portalplayer getting similarly good lifetime (in respect to original fw that is... ) |
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| 17:22:12 | n1s | the quoted batterylife for h300 is 16 hours and iirc it would reach about half that with q6 vorbis in the OF so I guess my 2 years old battery lasts about twice as long in rockbox than it would in the OF with q6 vorbis. :-) |
| 17:22:42 | GodEater_Web | the battery in my H140 has died - won't hold a charge at all anymore |
| 17:23:09 | Genre9mp3 | n1s: Sound that the ogg implementation on iriver OS is crap then |
| 17:23:13 | Genre9mp3 | Sounds |
| 17:23:57 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox beats iriver fw with mp3s, too but not with double battery life |
| 17:24:41 | n1s | Genre9mp3: Í will probably do a OF test just to compare, some day :-) |
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| 18:04:37 | n1s | Anyone want to test something, (unrelated to my disk poweroff patch) ;-) |
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| 18:06:38 | n1s | I you do, try building tremor with o3, change line 17 in the tremor makefile to TREMOROPTS = -O3 and make clean and make and compare boost % and see if it works ok, reduced boost on my q6 vorbis files fron 22% to 15% |
| 18:06:46 | n1s | on, h300 |
| 18:09:36 | amiconn | Using gcc 4.0 instead of 3.4 reduces boost for wavpack on coldfire |
| 18:10:06 | n1s | how about the others? |
| 18:11:01 | amiconn | The others are practically unaffected |
| 18:11:24 | n1s | then, why don't we use 4.0 as the recomended compiler? |
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| 18:12:05 | amiconn | Not sure, maybe some old tests did show different results? |
| 18:12:11 | amiconn | Unfortunately there is a conflict which prevents using gcc 4.1 for coldfire :( |
| 18:12:28 | maquis | question: can the ipod video play videos under rockbox? i didn't see any video formats in the manual for the ipod video... |
| 18:13:50 | linuxstb | Short answer is no. There is an MPEG video player (MPEG-1 and MPEG-2) in development for Rockbox, but it doesn't use the special video chip in the ipod video, so even when it's finished it won't be as good as Apple's video support. |
| 18:14:33 | linuxstb | The mpegplayer is mainly aimed at all the other players (with colour LCDs) that Rockbox supports, not the ipod video. |
| 18:14:34 | maquis | ok... |
| 18:14:48 | n1s | amiconn: will it be fixed in 4.2? |
| 18:14:50 | maquis | is the problem related to the video chip not yet being understood? |
| 18:15:36 | linuxstb | What problem? The main problem is that there are no developers actively working on video support. The main focus is audio. |
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| 18:15:42 | maquis | ie, is there any work in progress to improve that? or are we planning on staying with "switch to the apple firmware to watch videos"? |
| 18:15:43 | amiconn | n1s: Not sure. The problem is that gcc 4.1 now passes the cpu type to the assembler. We use -m5206e for C, 'cause that's the closest to the 5249 we actually have |
| 18:15:52 | amiconn | (gcc itself doesn't know the 5249 |
| 18:15:53 | maquis | linuxstb: ah... ok |
| 18:15:56 | maquis | thanks for the info |
| 18:16:11 | maquis | that's definitely good to know |
| 18:16:12 | linuxstb | maquis: Also, remember that the ipod video is only one of about 20 different MP3 players Rockbox works on. |
| 18:16:19 | maquis | linuxstb: yeah |
| 18:16:22 | amiconn | But we need to pass m5249 to the assembler. With gcc <= 4.0.x we can, 'cause gcc doesn't pass it implicitly |
| 18:16:48 | n1s | That's bad indeed :-( |
| 18:17:15 | amiconn | The 5206e lacks some registers the 5249 has (e.g. MBAR2), so assembling with -m5206e fails |
| 18:17:39 | amiconn | I didn't find how/whether this auto-passing can be suppressed |
| 18:19:12 | markun | amiconn: why not add teh 5249 to gcc? |
| 18:19:28 | amiconn | It doesn't know it... |
| 18:19:47 | amiconn | Or wait, add it? |
| 18:21:30 | Bagder | how about using -Wa,? |
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| 18:22:36 | amiconn | Bagder: That's what we do currently, but it doesn't work with gcc 4.1 |
| 18:22:47 | Bagder | aha |
| 18:22:50 | amiconn | Then gas sees two conflicting cpu options |
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| 18:28:26 | Cassandra | Hmm. You know I could have sworn I quit IRC when I left. |
| 18:28:32 | preglow | not so |
| 18:28:39 | linuxstb | You rejoined about 10 seconds later... |
| 18:28:48 | Cassandra | Conclusion: I suck. |
| 18:28:56 | linuxstb | I thought it odd, as you had just said goodbye... |
| 18:28:59 | Cassandra | (Or HydraIRC sucks. One of the two.) |
| 18:30:02 | Cassandra | No, I've changed my mind. Spammers suck. |
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| 19:15:58 | lowlight | quick arm assembly question: is this "LSL r0, r0, #0x1c; BPL loc_23C6" the same as checking (r0 & 0x8)? |
| 19:16:37 | Cassandra | I'm amazed how difficult Windows can make working out what hardware is plugged into it. |
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| 19:17:13 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Want to take a break and test ipodpatcher some more? It should now be able to add/remove a bootloader. |
| 19:18:06 | linuxstb | If anyone does, a Windows binary is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-test.zip |
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| 19:21:36 | Cassandra | linuxstb: sure. I'll try it on the Nano. |
| 19:22:24 | linuxstb | Be sure to keep a backup of your original bootpartition.bin... |
| 19:22:56 | GodEater | I can try it too now I'm home |
| 19:23:00 | zylche | ..and a beer or two handy |
| 19:23:02 | linuxstb | The best test would be if you could restore your bootpartition.bin and then attempt to insert a Rockbox bootloader. |
| 19:23:04 | GodEater | not that the bootloader will do much :) |
| 19:23:24 | linuxstb | The bootloader needs to be the new ".ipod" format - as generated by current CVS. |
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| 19:24:10 | linuxstb | GodEater: You could try commenting out all the disk-related stuff in the bootloader, and see if the Apple firmware will start. |
| 19:24:34 | GodEater | good plan |
| 19:24:47 | linuxstb | or just move " return (void*)DRAM_START;" to near the top of the bootloader code. |
| 19:24:55 | jhMikeS | ok, I implemented queue_send and related functionality andd it gained 180 bytes on an H120 build. It's purely an optional aspect of a queue and only adds four bytes to event_queue and nothing to the struct event. Worked perfectly the first time I ran it using it for recording. :) Will try to sqeeze it down. |
| 19:25:07 | GodEater | I'll try with an unhacked bootloader first |
| 19:25:12 | GodEater | make sure ipodpatcher is running ok |
| 19:25:15 | GodEater | then I'll try that |
| 19:25:29 | petur | jhMikeS: goodie |
| 19:25:30 | Cassandra | linuxstb, what's the difference between the bootloader, firmware and partition. I'm all confused no. |
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| 19:25:47 | Cassandra | is -wf the same as -a |
| 19:26:18 | jhMikeS | petur: it makes those functions multithread safe for one. it should help playback.c and may net size savings overall. |
| 19:26:45 | linuxstb | Cassandra: The "partition" is the whole disk partition (/dev/sda1 in Linux). That partition contains various images - a main firmware image, the "rsrc" image, the "aupd" image, and "hibe" image. |
| 19:26:46 | petur | I know |
| 19:27:02 | jhMikeS | it doesn't even have to be part of every build |
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| 19:27:47 | linuxstb | Cassandra: The main firmware image is what the Apple bootloader loads and runs. So by default it contains the Apple firmware. ipodpatcher either allows you to replace the Apple firmware, or attach a bootloader to it. In the latter case, both are loaded to RAM by the Apple bootloader, but the entrypoint is changed to that the bootloader code is run, not the main firmware. |
| 19:28:10 | kurzhaarrocker | Once upon a time you could set a song rating. Has that been kicked out again? |
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| 19:29:01 | linuxstb | Cassandra: So -wf will replace the entire contents of the firmware image. -a adds a bootloader to the end of the firmware that's already there (replacing the previous bootloader if one exists). |
| 19:29:03 | jhMikeS | kind of an ugly bit in block_thread to implement set_irq_level_and_block_thread though :P |
| 19:29:35 | Cassandra | Ah, so -wf with a backed up image is used for putting your vendor firmware back. |
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| 19:29:44 | Cassandra | -a installs the rockbox bootloader. |
| 19:29:50 | * | petur runs off to cook dinner |
| 19:29:58 | Zagor | FYI: maintentance on download.rockbox.org. |
| 19:30:16 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, or completely replacing the Apple firmware with Rockbox or the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 19:30:18 | * | jhMikeS suspects petur is running away from him |
| 19:30:20 | Cassandra | -w isn't really necessary for most purposes, although might be useful if you want to play it safae and restore the whole partition to a pristine state. |
| 19:30:24 | petur | nah |
| 19:30:48 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Yes, -r and -w are just for making/restoring a full backup of the partition. If ipodpatcher works properly, you'll never need them. |
| 19:30:53 | Cassandra | linuxstb, so you can install a daily build rockbox.ipod with -wf? |
| 19:31:05 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 19:31:24 | Cassandra | There any reason, other than ideological, why you might want to do that? |
| 19:31:32 | linuxstb | Faster booting. |
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| 19:32:04 | Cassandra | Presumably you can't -a a rockbox.ipod and have rockbox boot from firm |
| 19:32:11 | Cassandra | ware as a dual boot? |
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| 19:33:11 | linuxstb | Not as Rockbox is written now. Rockbox is expecting to be loaded at the start of RAM, but the bootloader doesn't care (it copies itself to IRAM and runs from there.). |
| 19:33:42 | linuxstb | Any image added with -a will be loaded and executed from about 5MB into RAM (i.e. after the Apple firmware). |
| 19:33:57 | Cassandra | But -a could be used to install iLoader2, for example? |
| 19:34:07 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 19:34:18 | Cassandra | Groovesome. |
| 19:34:28 | Cassandra | Now where can I find a boot loader to install? |
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| 19:34:39 | linuxstb | I can make one if you don't want to compile yourself. |
| 19:35:04 | Cassandra | Let me see if I can. |
| 19:35:18 | linuxstb | I had one already built - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-ipodnano.ipod |
| 19:35:24 | Cassandra | My development environment is up shit creek at the moment, but I might be able to using vmware. |
| 19:36:38 | Cassandra | Hmm. Not so good. |
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| 19:36:58 | Cassandra | ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodnano.ipod completes. |
| 19:37:05 | * | kurzhaarrocker is confused |
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| 19:37:20 | kurzhaarrocker | Where can I read how the song rating / play count is supposed to work? |
| 19:37:28 | Cassandra | However, when I reboot I get a -1 error on Rockbox (expected - it's not on the nano) but also with the Apple fw. |
| 19:38:14 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Ah yes, I was playing with the bootloader... Try extracting the appleos to "apple_os.ipod" and stick that on your ipod (in the root). |
| 19:38:36 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher N -rf apple_os.ipod |
| 19:38:45 | GodEater | does that mean playing with the disc bit of the bootloader is pointless in my case too ? |
| 19:39:06 | Cassandra | linuxstb, well it goes on to load the apple_os fw anyway, despite the error. |
| 19:39:09 | linuxstb | It should have tried to load the firmware from RAM after failing to find the apple_os.ipod file though. |
| 19:39:14 | linuxstb | Ah, so it's working :) |
| 19:39:18 | GodEater | cool |
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| 19:39:32 | Cassandra | OK. This is good. |
| 19:39:42 | * | GodEater taps his foot waiting for rockbox to checkout of cvs |
| 19:40:07 | linuxstb | GodEater: I haven't commited my ipodpatcher changes to CVS yet, but I will now. I was waiting for a second opinion... |
| 19:40:31 | GodEater | ok |
| 19:40:35 | GodEater | shout when you're done |
| 19:40:39 | Cassandra | And it removes cleanly too. Nice. |
| 19:40:44 | GodEater | I'll make sure I get the right versions |
| 19:41:09 | linuxstb | GodEater: OK, it's there now. |
| 19:41:28 | * | GodEater wills his router to greater speed |
| 19:42:12 | linuxstb | GodEater: Did you use "-z3" with cvs? |
| 19:42:31 | GodEater | yep |
| 19:42:45 | GodEater | bulldog are playing silly buggers with my line atm though |
| 19:44:26 | Cassandra | I'll test on the video in a bit too. |
| 19:45:04 | linuxstb | In an off-topic question, anyone UK people heard anything about the ISP called "Be? They're offering 24Mbit/s connections... |
| 19:45:10 | GodEater | ok - I've got it to save the bootpart, and the apple_os.ipod |
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| 19:45:18 | GodEater | linuxstb: yes - but they're not on my exchange yet |
| 19:45:21 | GodEater | I checked :( |
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| 19:45:46 | GodEater | there's another one in london offering that speed too |
| 19:45:50 | GodEater | the name escapes |
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| 19:45:54 | GodEater | me |
| 19:46:10 | linuxstb | Just entered my phone number and get " Be?s broadband is available in your area now." :) |
| 19:46:30 | GodEater | I'll be camping at your house then |
| 19:46:31 | linuxstb | I was curious to know if they have any kind (good or bad) of reputation. |
| 19:46:32 | GodEater | :) |
| 19:46:44 | Cassandra | linuxstb, never heard of them no. |
| 19:47:01 | Cassandra | All I know is my NTL connection sucks considerably worse than my sister's Telewest. |
| 19:47:12 | * | linuxstb wonders what they mean by "unlimited usage" and if I could download 4 hours of HDTV from a.b.hdtv a day from them... |
| 19:47:14 | Cassandra | Erm, Demon. Sorry. |
| 19:47:40 | Cassandra | Telecoms companies, re-defining "unlimited" since the year 2000. |
| 19:47:45 | GodEater | I've noticed recently that the "unlimited" ones say they'll move you onto a higher contented connection if you REALLY abuse them |
| 19:48:01 | GodEater | contended I mean |
| 19:48:05 | GodEater | not contented |
| 19:48:33 | GodEater | ok - so now I need to build a video rockbox.ipod ? |
| 19:49:09 | * | Cassandra is doing that now. |
| 19:49:30 | terriblyinept | H10 5GB question : Is anyone here using the current daily build? |
| 19:49:32 | Cassandra | If you mean the bootloader, rather than the firmware. |
| 19:49:46 | GodEater | I think I mean the bootloader - having read the above :) |
| 19:49:56 | Cassandra | terriblyinept, nope, but I've been using it on my Ipod Video without problems. |
| 19:50:01 | GodEater | but I need to hack mine to skip the disc access |
| 19:50:06 | GodEater | or it'll blow up :) |
| 19:50:17 | GodEater | where in the source tree does it live linuxstb? |
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| 19:50:33 | Cassandra | Hmm. It's built me a file called bootloader.bin. That's not right, is it? |
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| 19:52:00 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: The ipod bootloader is in bootloader/ipod.c - you may have to checkout the bootloader/ directory separately from cvs if it's not there. |
| 19:52:12 | terriblyinept | Cassandra - Thanks. I may give it a try today. |
| 19:52:25 | linuxstb_ | Cassandra: Did you re-run configure? (and cvs update in tools/ |
| 19:52:27 | linuxstb_ | ? ) |
| 19:52:48 | Cassandra | linuxstb, new configure. |
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| 19:53:09 | Cassandra | I'll delete the source tree and try again, I'm getting some weird cvs errors on checkout. |
| 19:53:15 | linuxstb_ | You should have both build-dir/bootloader/bootloader.bin and build-dir/bootloader-ipodnano.ipod |
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| 20:01:08 | GodEater | hurray - my build env. looks sane - it built me a video ipod bootloader without a hiccup |
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| 20:04:39 | GodEater | how close do I want that return() call to the top linuxstb? just before the ata_init call ? |
| 20:05:11 | kurzhaarrocker | hm. Is there only the "autoscore" as song rating? Can't you set the song rating manually? |
| 20:05:30 | Cassandra | linuxstb, nicely done. ipodpatcher just stopped me installing an ipod mini rockbox in the nano firmware. |
| 20:05:47 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Yes, I would do it just before the ata_init(). |
| 20:06:44 | GodEater | ok - done, and built |
| 20:07:12 | Cassandra | linuxstb, fantastic. I just got the nano booting straight into Rockbox. |
| 20:07:37 | Cassandra | Backlight didn't come on for a while for some reason though. |
| 20:08:03 | GodEater | someone else had that issue today |
| 20:08:32 | GodEater | linuxstb even had a convincing explanation for it :) |
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| 20:09:52 | firestorm | hello! |
| 20:10:10 | Cassandra | Only an issue when booting direct from rockbox rather than from the bootloader. |
| 20:10:29 | firestorm | i cant download Update Rockbox Nano |
| 20:10:36 | firestorm | = ( |
| 20:10:43 | firestorm | send it to me please |
| 20:10:49 | linuxstb_ | I think Rockbox is assuming the backlight is on when it boots, but without a bootloader, that's not the case. |
| 20:11:00 | Cassandra | linuxstb, sounds convincing. |
| 20:11:09 | linuxstb_ | So it doesn't turn it on until after the first timeout has passed. |
| 20:11:25 | linuxstb_ | Should be easy to fix. |
| 20:11:37 | Cassandra | Presumably the only way to boot apple_os when that's in the firmware is to plug into USB. |
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| 20:11:57 | Cassandra | (or does rolo support loading an apple_os.bin from disk?) |
| 20:11:59 | GodEater | linuxstb: sorry - didn't work |
| 20:12:03 | GodEater | well |
| 20:12:06 | GodEater | ipodpatcher did |
| 20:12:21 | GodEater | but trying to jump straight into the apple_os in ram doesn't |
| 20:12:33 | kurzhaarrocker | I finally dug up the answer to my song rating question in an old irc log: 16.41.33 # <Slasheri> rating songs manually is not yet possible |
| 20:12:35 | kurzhaarrocker | grmpfl |
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| 20:15:46 | Cassandra | Dear Apple, if I wanted iTunes, I'd attack my own face with a cheese grater. Now just let me download the latest firmware, damn you. |
| 20:15:49 | lowlight | linuxstb: outl write a value to an address? |
| 20:16:06 | DerPapst_ | hey linuxstb! your new ipodpatcher is pretty cool :) one question... can this ipodpatcher still install Loader2 from the iPL project? |
| 20:16:32 | linuxstb_ | lowlight: Yes. |
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| 20:16:51 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Yes, but it doesn't support IPL's "sub-images" invention. |
| 20:17:20 | DerPapst_ | cassandra: here cou can download the firmware manually: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/com.apple.jingle.appserver.client.MZITunesClientCheck/version |
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| 20:18:03 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb_: can you make it compartible to it? guess not, hm? |
| 20:18:39 | Cassandra | derpabst: Where'd you find that link? |
| 20:18:56 | DerPapst_ | :9 aegray found it. |
| 20:19:19 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst_: To quote someone from earlier today,the code is in cvs for a reason... |
| 20:19:46 | DerPapst_ | yeah.. i know... |
| 20:19:50 | linuxstb_ | But it's still in development, I don't know what I'll implement yet. |
| 20:19:54 | DerPapst_ | i've read that ^^ |
| 20:20:04 | Cassandra | Doesn't seem to work for me though. |
| 20:20:20 | DerPapst_ | Cassandra: you can read a bit more here: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters |
| 20:20:26 | DerPapst_ | at the bottom |
| 20:20:47 | * | Cassandra swears at Apple. They used to have a perfectly good standalone firmware updater. |
| 20:20:50 | Cassandra | Bastards. |
| 20:20:56 | DerPapst_ | hehe |
| 20:21:02 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst_: What's the point in the sub-images anyway? Doesn't that just slow down booting by making the Apple bootloader load firmwares which aren't needed? |
| 20:22:17 | DerPapst_ | i don't know but your tool is the best way to install a bootloader... it's used by nearly every windowsuser in the iPL project |
| 20:22:58 | DerPapst_ | and loader2 is working with this subimages too. |
| 20:23:16 | Cassandra | linuxstb: Can ipodloader install a firmware as supplied in an ipsw archive? |
| 20:23:29 | Cassandra | ipodpatcher? |
| 20:23:36 | DerPapst_ | i'm sure no. |
| 20:23:38 | linuxstb_ | I haven't a clue what a ipsw file is... |
| 20:23:44 | DerPapst_ | you have to unpack it first |
| 20:24:01 | DerPapst_ | it's basically a zip |
| 20:24:29 | Cassandra | Yes, but the question is is the firmware inside an image of the entire boot partition, or just the apple firmware? |
| 20:24:33 | linuxstb_ | But I expect it just contains an image of the entire firmware partition (that's what the earlier updaters had). |
| 20:24:44 | Cassandra | Since I believe ipodpatcher could install the former, but not the latter. |
| 20:24:52 | DerPapst_ | you can dd that file to your ipod. so yes |
| 20:25:04 | Cassandra | OK. May try that in a minute. |
| 20:25:13 | DerPapst_ | and ipodpatcher0.4 can do that too. |
| 20:25:15 | linuxstb_ | So yes, ipodpatcher could write it as well (−−write-firmware, -w) |
| 20:25:22 | * | amiconn wonders what this queue_send is good for |
| 20:25:29 | GodEater | linuxstb: ipodpatcher didn't seem to remove the bootloader properly (with -d) or write the original firmware back again properly either |
| 20:25:34 | amiconn | We have queue_post ... |
| 20:25:48 | GodEater | I had to do the complete partition to get the ipod to boot again |
| 20:26:03 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: OK, I've got a copy of a 5.5g's bootpartition, so I'll do some tests. |
| 20:26:43 | GodEater | that's assuming of course the what it extracted in the first place is a valid firmware image of course |
| 20:27:22 | GodEater | I think we looked at that earlier today though |
| 20:27:34 | GodEater | the "55 aa 55 aa" thing ? |
| 20:27:52 | Cassandra | Hmm. Or maybe not - there's no file corresponding to the code for 5g video on that page. |
| 20:28:08 | linuxstb_ | Yes, and you should see "portalplayer" very near the start of the apple_os.ipod file. |
| 20:28:21 | GodEater | I'll check it again now |
| 20:29:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS? |
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| 20:35:22 | GodEater | or I will do as soon as my box finishes emerge khexedit :) |
| 20:37:38 | linuxstb_ | Don't you have xxd ? |
| 20:37:47 | linuxstb_ | xxd apple_os.ipod | head |
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| 20:38:49 | GodEater | apparently I do |
| 20:38:57 | GodEater | and yes - I see portalplayer pretty near the top |
| 20:39:30 | linuxstb_ | It should be at around offset 0x28 |
| 20:40:26 | GodEater | it's at exactly 0x28 |
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| 20:46:58 | Juerd | I found this channel with Google. HCl was very active here, according to the channel statistics. |
| 20:47:12 | Juerd | My sincere condolences to anyone who knew him well. |
| 20:48:19 | woekele | yes, I found it too, but it seems he was active in 2005, not so much in 2006. |
| 20:48:46 | woekele | but also my condolences... |
| 20:48:51 | woekele | very sad |
| 20:49:11 | Juerd | I see. |
| 20:49:16 | Genre9mp3 | Forgive my ignorance, but happened to HCl? |
| 20:49:28 | Juerd | Genre9mp3: He passed away last night, or yesterday. |
| 20:50:06 | Genre9mp3 | what? how? |
| 20:50:54 | Juerd | I don't know the details myself. He was found dead in his appartment at the university campus. |
| 20:51:31 | Juerd | The cause of death is "maagbloeding" in Dutch. I don't know how to translate that to English. Perhaps "stomach hemorrhage". |
| 20:51:44 | DerPapst_ | Forgive my ignorance, but who is HCl? |
| 20:51:53 | Juerd | DerPapst_: Michiel van der Kolk. |
| 20:52:02 | Genre9mp3 | wow... extremely sad |
| 20:52:31 | Juerd | At least some time ago, very active here, according to rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2005-04.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2005-04.php |
| 20:53:05 | PaulPosition | I'd gather you knew him well, Juerd, so let me extend condolences to you. :( |
| 20:53:54 | Juerd | I knew him from summer camp and IRC |
| 20:54:17 | Juerd | Thanks |
| 20:55:28 | jhMikeS | amiconn: here...otp though |
| 20:55:30 | linuxstb_ | That's very sad. He's been inactive with Rockbox for a year or so, but was around at the start of the iriver ports. Rockboy (the Gameboy emulator in Rockbox) was his baby. |
| 20:55:53 | GodEater | I vaguely remember chatting to him too |
| 20:55:59 | Juerd | He mentioned Rockboy once or twice |
| 20:56:19 | GodEater | how crumby :( |
| 20:56:46 | XavierGr | what!? |
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| 20:56:50 | | Nick waky is now known as maky (n=sleepy@unaffiliated/waky) |
| 20:56:59 | XavierGr | HCl died? |
| 20:57:01 | | Nick maky is now known as shaky (n=sleepy@m6s02.vlinux.de) |
| 20:57:04 | XavierGr | are you serious? |
| 20:57:19 | woekele | yes :( |
| 20:57:26 | woekele | yesterdaynight |
| 20:57:26 | Juerd | XavierGr: Unfortunately, yes. |
| 20:57:29 | | Nick shaky is now known as waky (n=sleepy@m6s02.vlinux.de) |
| 20:57:45 | pixelma | that's really sad |
| 20:57:59 | Juerd | XavierGr: Did you know him well? |
| 20:58:13 | XavierGr | oh man not HCl |
| 20:58:44 | XavierGr | well I can't say i knew him well, but I always admired him for the work he has done |
| 20:58:55 | XavierGr | he wasn't active for a year now |
| 20:58:57 | _Veseliq_ | The average male penis is 6 inches. The average female canal is 9.5 inches. That means there is about 4.5 million miles of unused vagina! |
| 20:59:23 | XavierGr | but I remember chatting with him, very pleasant guy |
| 20:59:31 | XavierGr | :( |
| 20:59:52 | XavierGr | can someone kick Veseliq! |
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| 21:00:36 | woekele | Juerd, are you in twente university? |
| 21:01:01 | _Veseliq_ | hey, im rockbox user, no kick pls (: |
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| 21:02:58 | Juerd | woekele: No, I am not personally. |
| 21:03:11 | Juerd | woekele: Some mutual friends are |
| 21:04:16 | goffa | that was a bash.org quote |
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| 21:04:56 | relaxed | Anyone here have an iAudio X5L ? |
| 21:05:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:08:00 | goffa | i do |
| 21:10:25 | relaxed | I'm thinking about buying one. Would you purchase it again? |
| 21:10:49 | goffa | yeah.. i'm happy with it |
| 21:10:56 | goffa | build quality is great |
| 21:11:11 | goffa | sound quality is great too |
| 21:11:55 | relaxed | Yours is a 30gig? |
| 21:12:01 | goffa | yep |
| 21:12:19 | goffa | battery life isn't as good as advertised.. but its still pretty good |
| 21:12:26 | goffa | i'd say 20 hours is more realistic |
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| 21:13:16 | goffa | rockbox doesn't detect the batery time right, but its as good as default firmware |
| 21:13:46 | relaxed | Does fm radio work with rockbox too? |
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| 21:16:45 | Juerd | I won't further invade on your territory :) |
| 21:16:51 | Juerd | Lots of strength to all |
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| 21:27:05 | goffa | relaxed: sorry.. back |
| 21:27:08 | goffa | yes it does |
| 21:27:19 | goffa | i can't really test reception here |
| 21:27:54 | goffa | should say i haven't tried it |
| 21:28:28 | BetaCookies | Is there a way to get rockbox to detect when I press "pause" on my dock? |
| 21:28:48 | BetaCookies | or the forward or the reverse.. |
| 21:29:11 | n1s | ipod? |
| 21:29:14 | goffa | i don't have a dock |
| 21:29:14 | BetaCookies | yeah |
| 21:29:25 | n1s | BetaCookies: then the answer is no |
| 21:29:26 | goffa | relaxed: radio works |
| 21:30:10 | BetaCookies | Also, is there a way to get the menus to function more like the apple firmware, i press "menu" on songs to go back to the folder, but I forget that goes to settings and the middle click is to go back :\ |
| 21:31:02 | n1s | BetaCookies: the only way to do that is to make your own custom builld with changed buttonmappings |
| 21:31:18 | BetaCookies | n1s why doesn't the dock stuff work? |
| 21:31:20 | goffa | there's a patch to switch menu and play |
| 21:31:27 | goffa | but you have to compile yourself |
| 21:32:01 | n1s | BetaCookies: because no one has implemented the accessory protocol that is used for all (?) ipod accessories |
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| 21:32:57 | n1s | And i think we've had a feature request for supporting every single one of those accessories ;-) |
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| 21:33:40 | linuxboy | hi |
| 21:33:58 | linuxboy | I'm sure this has been asked millions of times, but will there ever be rockbox for 2nd gen ipod nano? |
| 21:34:20 | n1s | no one knows |
| 21:34:43 | linuxboy | ok |
| 21:34:53 | linuxboy | just one of those open ended things? |
| 21:35:03 | linuxboy | i suppose the devepoler of the 1st generation might do it? |
| 21:35:06 | PaulPosition | betacookies - Unless you patch and compile yourself, I doubt it. Though it may comes to be but, for all I understand, devs are trying to keep rockbox menu behaviour as standard as possible between the 15+ different targets it's being ported to rather than between each of them and their respective firmware... |
| 21:35:22 | BetaCookies | okay :| |
| 21:35:29 | linuxstb_ | linuxboy; There is almost nothing in common between the new Nano and the older ipods. |
| 21:35:42 | BetaCookies | theres not? |
| 21:35:47 | linuxstb_ | It's as different to the old Nano as the Zune is... |
| 21:36:02 | linuxboy | wow |
| 21:36:36 | GodEater | well - except in appearance :) |
| 21:37:01 | GodEater | not that that helps much |
| 21:37:34 | linuxboy | heh |
| 21:37:57 | linuxboy | i hope someone does something |
| 21:38:07 | linuxboy | rockbox seems to run on almost anything |
| 21:39:19 | GodEater | only if people spend the time to make it happen |
| 21:39:26 | n1s | maybe but apple took extra care to prevent us from running on the nano 2g with firmware encryption. |
| 21:39:49 | linuxboy | hopefully not :/ |
| 21:41:19 | linuxstb_ | n1s isn't speculating - Apple have locked the 2g nano down quite tight. |
| 21:41:59 | linuxboy | damn |
| 21:42:07 | linuxboy | oh, sorry, read that wrong |
| 21:42:37 | linuxboy | so people have looked at it? |
| 21:42:41 | GodEater | which I think is written in the forums |
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| 21:45:09 | linuxboy | any idea where? |
| 21:45:56 | GodEater | in the new ports forum |
| 21:46:14 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 |
| 21:52:55 | markun | linuxboy: do you know at which point a "we have sound" mail should be send? |
| 21:52:59 | markun | eh.. |
| 21:53:04 | markun | that was for linuxstb_ |
| 21:53:25 | n1s | markun: when you can plsy music! |
| 21:53:31 | n1s | play even |
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| 21:53:41 | markun | well, there are a lot of gaps in the music :) |
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| 21:53:53 | GodEater | I think the iriver port had one of those when they could play some pre-decoded PCM didn't it ? |
| 21:53:58 | n1s | i'd say good enough ;-) |
| 21:54:38 | GodEater | markun: which port are you working on ? |
| 21:55:31 | n1s | Mabe there should be a "LadiesAndGentlemenMails" page in the wiki where they should all be posted... |
| 21:55:37 | GodEater | hehe |
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| 21:57:03 | linuxstb_ | markun: I think that's good enough :) |
| 21:57:28 | linuxstb_ | Congratulations. |
| 21:57:41 | linuxstb_ | What was the i2s problem? |
| 21:57:50 | markun | linuxstb_: I just hear that HCl died, can't really talk now |
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| 21:59:03 | linuxstb_ | markun: Sure. |
| 21:59:40 | linuxstb_ | It's very sad news. |
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| 22:11:52 | dan_a | Should someone put something on the front page about HCl? |
| 22:12:55 | Genre9mp3 | I feel the same way...The swedes seem to be away atm though... |
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| 22:22:19 | markun | linuxstb_: the problem was that both the DAC and CPU were trying to be i2s master |
| 22:24:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | linuxstb_: You around? |
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| 22:25:53 | linuxstb_ | markun: OK - I can see how that wouldn't work... |
| 22:27:07 | Llorean | linuxstb_: A 5.5G's bootpartition should be more than 23mb, right? Somewhere in the ~80 range? |
| 22:27:25 | Llorean | A 30gb one that is. |
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| 22:32:25 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 22:33:05 | Topic | "our condolences to those close to HCl" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 22:33:20 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: It sounds like it's only 25% (i.e. the wrong sector size was used) |
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| 22:35:14 | * | Pirmin says hi to all |
| 22:35:29 | ShadowdogMU | So what can someone tell me about a "abort error at #######"? |
| 22:35:35 | ShadowdogMU | it does it about 20 seconds into a song, always |
| 22:35:42 | ShadowdogMU | and makes my ipod unresponsive |
| 22:36:37 | n1s | not "Data abort" ? |
| 22:36:53 | linuxstb_ | And the numbers are useful as well. |
| 22:37:03 | ShadowdogMU | I have them wrote down, let me grab the paper |
| 22:37:43 | ShadowdogMU | "Prefetch abort at 6C619722 |
| 22:37:44 | ShadowdogMU | " |
| 22:39:54 | ShadowdogMU | That better? =D |
| 22:40:04 | Pirmin | Does anyone know something about the 'Forbidden' message in the DL area ? (http://www.rockbox.org/download/) |
| 22:40:45 | linuxstb_ | ShadowdogMU: Does it only happen on one specific file, or various files? |
| 22:40:53 | Zagor | Pirmin: should be fixed now. I'm working on the server. |
| 22:41:11 | Pirmin | OK, thx ;) |
| 22:41:12 | ShadowdogMU | So far it did it on two songs, that's when I switched to the Apple Firmware so I could actually listen to music |
| 22:41:36 | linuxstb_ | Which ipod, and what kind of files? |
| 22:42:25 | ShadowdogMU | 5G, Mp3 |
| 22:42:54 | ShadowdogMU | VBR 196-256 |
| 22:43:20 | zylche | serial number and address? :P |
| 22:43:23 | * | zylche legs it |
| 22:43:29 | ShadowdogMU | Dream on =D |
| 22:44:50 | markun | Zagor: do you have op rights in this channel? |
| 22:44:57 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:45:04 | markun | Ah wait, the topic has changed already.. |
| 22:45:09 | markun | Zagor: never mind |
| 22:45:20 | Mode | "#rockbox +o markun " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 22:45:36 | markun | Bagder: thanks :) |
| 22:47:14 | Pirmin | Zangor: sry, my posted link was the wrong one. I try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/iaudiox5/rockbox-iaudiox5-20061214.zip and it still does not work |
| 22:47:57 | Zagor | Pirmin: ok, checking... |
| 22:48:03 | Pirmin | ;) |
| 22:48:36 | n1s | Zagor, you're the partymode man, right? |
| 22:49:22 | Zagor | yeah |
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| 22:50:05 | n1s | I made a patch that disables recording and fmradio in the same way as plugins are disbled to prevent stoping playback, interested? |
| 22:50:20 | n1s | or should I throw it at flyspry? |
| 22:51:34 | Zagor | yeah, put it on flyspray. I'm not the most active developer at the moment. |
| 22:52:04 | n1s | ok, it'll be up tomorrow probably :-) |
| 22:52:12 | Zagor | Pirmin: try now |
| 22:52:51 | Pirmin | Zagor: yeah, works fine. Good job, man ;) |
| 22:55:38 | XavierGr | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7694.0 |
| 22:55:48 | preglow | markun: that's terrible news |
| 22:56:01 | preglow | irc is woefully inadequate for stuff like this |
| 22:56:15 | XavierGr | report errors and omisions please |
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| 22:59:13 | Bagder | XavierGr: I added a link to that thread from the front page |
| 22:59:32 | XavierGr | nice, thanks |
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| 23:03:56 | Zagor | XavierGr: as I understand Juerds message, hcl got acute ulcer hemorrhage |
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| 23:06:30 | XavierGr | ok I will edit the post |
| 23:12:16 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I had to make one small change to ipodio-win32.c to get it to compile in Dev-C++, but with that change it seems to compile cleanly. It was complaining about a conversion from void* to unsigned char* on line 151. |
| 23:15:08 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Does the fix look like this? *sectorbuf = (unsigned char*)VirtualAlloc(NULL, bufsize, MEM_COMMIT, PAGE_READWRITE); |
| 23:15:32 | Llorean | Well, it does for me. Since I didn't look at what's actually going on, I didn't know if that was safe overall. |
| 23:15:45 | linuxstb_ | No, that looks good to me. |
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| 23:15:54 | linuxstb_ | I'll commit. |
| 23:16:30 | linuxstb_ | Did you need to create a Makefile, or whatever the Dev-C++ equivalent it? |
| 23:16:50 | Llorean | Nope |
| 23:16:58 | Llorean | It has the option to use yours, but I didn't bother and it still worked fine. |
| 23:18:27 | linuxstb_ | Committed. |
| 23:18:32 | Llorean | linuxstb_: And both -d and -a work, I've added and removed a bootloader without breaking my iPod. |
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| 23:25:05 | ShadowdogMU | so, linuxstb, do you know anything about the error I have? |
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| 23:26:21 | linuxstb_ | ShadowdogMU: No. All I can suggest is the usual - install the very latest official version of Rockbox, and then if you can reliably recreate it, post a detailed bug report with instructions on how to recreate it. |
| 23:26:45 | ShadowdogMU | ok |
| 23:27:29 | n1s | make install |
| 23:27:34 | n1s | doh! |
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| 23:30:26 | linuxstb_ | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 23:30:39 | n1s | :-) |
| 23:31:09 | n1s | cd .. |
| 23:31:20 | n1s | aaagr! |
| 23:31:28 | petur | rofl |
| 23:31:45 | * | n1s should probaly go to bed |
| 23:32:02 | petur | and get new batteries |
| 23:32:33 | * | n1s wonders what petur thinks he needs batteries for... |
| 23:32:58 | petur | wireless keyboard? |
| 23:33:14 | n1s | nope, just regular typos :-) |
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| 23:37:20 | * | n1s spams tracker and goes to bed, gnight. |
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| 23:46:16 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Are you around? |
| 23:47:17 | Terinjokes | Would like to add my condolences to Michiel van der Kolk family and friends |
| 23:50:09 | Terinjokes | can i ask what "Dehacked and BEX support for Doom" is? |
| 23:51:23 | Llorean | Google dehacked, but a quick description is that they're a may of further modifying the way the game works to allow more interested patched wads. |
| 23:52:14 | Terinjokes | ok, cool... on my nano i've been having an annoying problem where monsters appear invisible until i directly on top of them, and they start shotting me.. |
| 23:52:35 | goffa | bad news on hcl |
| 23:53:02 | Terinjokes | yes goffa? |
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| 23:53:34 | goffa | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7694.0 |
| 23:53:55 | goffa | i'm sure everyone knows.. i'm just commenting that its bad news |
| 23:54:59 | montgoja | hey anyone who knows about the iriver H10 20GB rockbox stuff... I just discovered that I've got the 20 Gig Remix rather than the one pictured on the Rockbox site. |
| 23:56:27 | montgoja | I think that this Remix actually has a smaller screen than the 20 GB firmware I downloaded thinks it does... if I get the 5GB daily, would that screw up the rest of my player settings, or would it only fix my screensize? |
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| 23:56:59 | Llorean | What makes you think the screen size is wrong? |
| 23:57:23 | montgoja | all of my themes have objects stacked on top of each other. |
| 23:57:55 | Llorean | Have you tried one of the official themes? |
| 23:58:07 | Llorean | And, do you have fonts installed? |
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