| 00:00:10 | tucoz | licence wise |
| 00:00:24 | bluebrother | yeah, they are a bit problematic. We can't just add a copyright notice. |
| 00:00:37 | bluebrother | and, what license do they have? GFDL? |
| 00:00:52 | tucoz | I think pixelma is fine with the gfdl for her work. But, we should state this somewhere. |
| 00:01:02 | amiconn | svg is xml after all. Not sure whether there is provision for a copyright notice though |
| 00:01:19 | tucoz | And not simply for the generated docs, but for the raw graphic files. |
| 00:01:24 | bluebrother | but that doesn't cover the screenshots |
| 00:01:47 | bluebrother | so, what license would be a screenshot file? |
| 00:01:57 | tucoz | no, it doesn't. Could we add a COPYING document to the manual source tree? |
| 00:02:09 | tucoz | i think we should |
| 00:02:52 | bluebrother | we could simply add the GFDL in the manual tree source and add a statement somewhere to also cover the images |
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| 00:05:13 | tucoz | I regret that i didn't keep up with the contact i had with the gnu guys. I got a response which was ok, but not entirely clear. |
| 00:05:34 | tucoz | I think RL intervened at that time |
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| 00:06:24 | tucoz | bluebrother, i got to go. will you be around tomorrow? |
| 00:06:36 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 00:06:44 | DerPapst | kasperle: pin |
| 00:06:47 | DerPapst | *ping |
| 00:06:48 | tucoz | great :) i'll talk to you then |
| 00:06:55 | bluebrother | I don't have much time to actually do work but I try to hang around often |
| 00:07:10 | tucoz | np. I can do some work tomorrow |
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| 00:07:37 | bluebrother | good. cu tomorrow |
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| 00:20:27 | DerPapst | linuxstb or Kasperle: the linux isn't able to use the root fs. i get thousands of errors. |
| 00:20:37 | DerPapst | *linux kernel |
| 00:23:22 | BiptoN | derpapst: do you have the userland in partition 3 |
| 00:24:37 | BiptoN | i believe the linux kernel is hard coded for the root fs "/" to be partition 3 |
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| 00:25:20 | BiptoN | you can pass an argument to the kernel under the linux loader to use a different root |
| 00:25:34 | BiptoN | derpapst: i dunno if rolo can do that |
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| 00:29:07 | DerPapst | i have the root fs at hda3 |
| 00:29:34 | DerPapst | before it wasn't there the kernel behaved differently |
| 00:29:47 | BiptoN | maybe it boots from /dev/hda1 |
| 00:29:56 | BiptoN | i can double check my bootloader in a sec for ya |
| 00:31:12 | BiptoN | linuxstb: i changed the values in the config-ipod4g.h file only |
| 00:32:31 | BiptoN | linuxstb: no freq scaling and cpu_freq set to 5664800 instead of 1128900 |
| 00:33:28 | BiptoN | under the audio thread it says cpu freq 6 Mhz with 0% boost, I played an album of 224k vbr mp3 and half album of 500k ogg no problems |
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| 00:33:59 | BiptoN | default values for config-ipod4g says 75Mhz cpu freq 100% boost |
| 00:34:06 | BiptoN | gonna see if it pukes on me |
| 00:34:23 | DerPapst | BiptoN: maybe the kernel has problems with the 2048bytes/sector filesystem |
| 00:34:39 | BiptoN | is it 5.5g? |
| 00:34:45 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:34:48 | BiptoN | ahhh |
| 00:34:50 | DerPapst | the 80GB model |
| 00:35:03 | DerPapst | so i expected stange behaviour |
| 00:35:14 | DerPapst | but thanks anyways :) |
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| 00:37:42 | BiptoN | sure |
| 00:39:49 | DerPapst | heh.. the experimental kernel behaves even worse ^^ |
| 00:40:11 | BiptoN | i have that kernel runnin on my 4g |
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| 00:40:22 | BiptoN | think i had to add the root parameter to the loader |
| 00:40:38 | DerPapst | Loader2? |
| 00:41:02 | BiptoN | yup |
| 00:41:12 | DerPapst | how is such a parameter looking? |
| 00:41:20 | BiptoN | lemme plug it in and see |
| 00:41:29 | DerPapst | thanks :) |
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| 00:42:34 | BiptoN | iPodLinux @ (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda3 quiet |
| 00:43:22 | DerPapst | cool. thanks :) |
| 00:43:54 | BiptoN | np |
| 00:44:04 | BiptoN | i think the double spaces are a must |
| 00:44:13 | BiptoN | i think i read somewhere |
| 00:44:26 | BiptoN | after the kernel |
| 00:44:35 | DerPapst | yes. why-ever ^^ |
| 00:45:09 | DerPapst | i always used getLoader2Args to do that |
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| 01:04:14 | JdGordon | Nico_P: have you seent he cuessheet wiki page? |
| 01:05:14 | mariano_r4 | works rockbox's firmware for ipod video 5g 30, version MA446LL ? |
| 01:05:37 | mariano_r4 | is a question |
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| 01:07:56 | mariano_r4 | jhonny deep version |
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| 01:10:21 | SimonSelki | Man, this is amazing! |
| 01:10:53 | SimonSelki | When I run Mp3s above 200kbps or so, Rockbox gets a little skippy. It's expected |
| 01:11:06 | SimonSelki | but I can't believe how awesome the FLAC playbac is! |
| 01:11:14 | SimonSelki | It's friggin' amazing! |
| 01:11:29 | SimonSelki | at like 700+ kbps, it's still fluid as hell |
| 01:11:45 | * | linuxstb hugs ffmpeg's FLAC decoder |
| 01:12:11 | SimonSelki | It's too bad FLACs are so huge, my nano is only 4 gigs |
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| 01:13:40 | mariano_r4 | works rockbox firmware for ipod video 5g "jhonny deep" ? |
| 01:13:45 | mariano_r4 | please |
| 01:13:48 | mariano_r4 | answers |
| 01:14:51 | markun | mariano_r4: I don't even know what "jhonny deep" is |
| 01:16:51 | linuxstb | But Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models). |
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| 01:17:54 | mariano_r4 | and ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ? |
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| 01:18:13 | linuxstb | No, Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models). |
| 01:18:25 | mariano_r4 | ok |
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| 01:18:38 | mariano_r4 | thanks |
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| 01:21:36 | mariano_r4 | why don't works rockbox firmware in ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ? |
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| 01:21:58 | linuxstb | It works on the 30GB. |
| 01:22:06 | linuxstb | We don't know why it doesn't work on the 80GB. |
| 01:22:08 | DerPapst | rockbox works on the 30GB model |
| 01:22:13 | mariano_r4 | ok |
| 01:22:15 | mariano_r4 | great |
| 01:22:54 | linuxstb | What ipod do you own? |
| 01:23:18 | mariano_r4 | ipod video 30GB version MA446LL |
| 01:23:23 | mariano_r4 | works ? |
| 01:23:58 | mariano_r4 | cover "jhonny deep" |
| 01:24:03 | mariano_r4 | in the box |
| 01:24:19 | mariano_r4 | works in this ipod ? |
| 01:24:19 | linuxstb | Yes. But if it is new (purchased after September 2006) then you need to use the new installation instructions, not the standard ones in the manual. |
| 01:24:36 | mariano_r4 | ok |
| 01:25:02 | mariano_r4 | please, send me the link of instructions |
| 01:25:37 | linuxstb | Download this zip file - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and follow the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 01:26:19 | | Quit lee-qid (Client Quit) |
| 01:26:29 | DerPapst | linuxstb: you should make a post in the NewPorts/5.5G thread |
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| 01:29:16 | linuxstb | Bagder: Are you around? |
| 01:29:58 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes, nice work :) |
| 01:31:29 | BiptoN | linuxstb: do codecs have their own freq settings to them or are they global? |
| 01:31:34 | Nico_P | JdGordon: and there's something you might be interested in: i played with plugins too and i saw that using audio_pre_ff_rewind() made seeking much much faster |
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| 01:34:22 | linuxstb | BiptoN: It's global. But don't believe what you are seeing in the debug screen - your ipod is definitely not decoding audio at 6MHz. I expect that by disabling the adjustable CPU frequency, Rockbox is defaulting to 75MHz. |
| 01:34:44 | BiptoN | yeah, i thought it couldn't handle that at 6 |
| 01:34:56 | BiptoN | i'm gonna mess with it a little more |
| 01:34:57 | BiptoN | thanks |
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| 01:35:26 | BiptoN | flac plays incredible though |
| 01:35:35 | BiptoN | 1% boost |
| 01:35:40 | BiptoN | if that most the time |
| 01:35:42 | BiptoN | 30mhz |
| 01:36:28 | linuxstb | The boost is simply because Rockbox always boosts when reading from disk. The decoder itself could probably run comfortably at less than 30MHz. |
| 01:36:53 | BiptoN | is the tremor decoder from ffmpeg also or vorbis? |
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| 01:38:43 | webguest05 | linuxstb? |
| 01:38:43 | linuxstb | There's no such organisation as vorbis. But Tremor is one of the official vorbis decoders from Xiph. |
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| 01:39:41 | linuxstb | webguest05? |
| 01:39:51 | webguest05 | back to ipod nano 2nd gen problem: i have firmware 1.1.1 |
| 01:40:06 | webguest05 | osos & aupd is encrypted |
| 01:41:32 | webguest05 | is there maybe a key at offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ? |
| 01:41:44 | Nico_P | linuxstb: in your new ipodinstallation wiki page, there's a line where I think you forgot a "R%", in section e) of step 2, the first use of ipodpatcher |
| 01:41:53 | Nico_P | oops |
| 01:41:54 | thegeek | I think it has been confirmed that the key is not in the firmware? |
| 01:42:10 | thegeek | it has to be snooped from the chip I think |
| 01:42:22 | Nico_P | you forgot a "% BR %" (without spaces) |
| 01:42:41 | * | SUSaiyan wonders what key everyone is talking about |
| 01:42:43 | linuxstb | webguest05: I haven't looked at it at all, and have no experience with encryption anyway. |
| 01:42:57 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It's a wiki :) |
| 01:43:02 | linuxstb | But I'll fix now, thanks. |
| 01:43:19 | webguest05 | yes the wiki is the key :) |
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| 01:43:32 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 01:43:39 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i considered doing it, but i thought it would be ridiculous to have a new version for such a small change |
| 01:44:06 | SUSaiyan | just use the minor change checkbox ;) |
| 01:44:42 | Nico_P | SUSaiyan: hmmm good idea, forgot about that one ;) |
| 01:44:57 | SUSaiyan | hehe :) |
| 01:45:18 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I've just made a new version for such a small change... |
| 01:45:25 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 01:45:26 | Soap | formatting is important. |
| 01:45:48 | webguest05 | whats with offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ? only the encrypted parts have such a header... |
| 01:45:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: aren't small changes merged with previous version when they are from the same author and close in time ? |
| 01:46:02 | linuxstb | As I say in that page, I think we should move it to the manual asap anyway, and remove the install instructions from the wiki. |
| 01:46:08 | SUSaiyan | the new ipod has encryption? |
| 01:46:16 | webguest05 | yes damn |
| 01:46:19 | Soap | yes |
| 01:46:28 | SUSaiyan | wtf |
| 01:46:30 | SUSaiyan | why? |
| 01:46:41 | webguest05 | apple wants to make $$$ |
| 01:46:44 | Nico_P | anyway, next time i see a typo i'll correct it right away :) |
| 01:46:58 | SUSaiyan | they dont need encryption for that |
| 01:47:14 | SUSaiyan | hell, i now have even less reason to get a 2nd gen ipod ;) |
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| 01:51:18 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: I've lost track of what's working for you now. Is the standard install with "-a bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" OK? |
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| 01:51:44 | SUSaiyan | oh right, i was going to try that |
| 01:52:05 | SUSaiyan | also, to me, OK is when rockbox loads, i dont really care about apple_os |
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| 01:52:09 | linuxstb | Also, did you resize your firmware partition, or is it still the standard size? |
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| 01:52:24 | SUSaiyan | i tried resizing it a couple of times, but it didnt like that |
| 01:52:48 | SUSaiyan | im guessing that was because of the size thing you told us about |
| 01:54:15 | SUSaiyan | do you want me to see if the apple_os works when i use -a? |
| 01:55:38 | linuxstb | Yes please - just try a standard install. If that works, I'm happy to release everything. The -wf and apple_os.ipod method can be fixed later. |
| 01:55:48 | SUSaiyan | allright |
| 01:55:53 | DerPapst | linuystb: ipodpatcher is insanely fast in linux. it transferred 120+MB data to the iPod in less then 2 seconds :D |
| 01:56:08 | webguest05 | gg |
| 01:56:13 | linuxstb | Are you sure it transferred it? Check the disk activity icon on your ipod's LCD. |
| 01:56:29 | linuxstb | I find that it's still active, long after Linux has told me it's done. |
| 01:56:35 | webguest05 | sync is your friend |
| 01:56:44 | DerPapst | yes. after eject /dev/sdb the appleos loaded normally |
| 01:57:05 | JdGordon | 120mb of data in 2 sec is faily impossible.. |
| 01:57:41 | Nico_P | JdGordon: have you seen my previous messages to you ? |
| 01:57:46 | JdGordon | i did |
| 01:58:34 | Nico_P | also is it normal that your plugin doesn't work in the H300 sim ("failed to create thread") ? |
| 01:58:37 | JdGordon | I'll have a pay with that prescan thing, but the mentioned bugs on the wiki are more imporant |
| 01:58:49 | JdGordon | yes, threads dont work correctly in the sim apparently |
| 01:59:04 | JdGordon | I might pull the thread out, because I dont tihnk its actually needed |
| 01:59:16 | Nico_P | ok, it's sad because i have to boot windows to be able to transfer things to my H300 |
| 01:59:28 | Nico_P | ah, that would be nice :) |
| 01:59:40 | JdGordon | why? |
| 01:59:52 | Nico_P | why what ? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:00 | JdGordon | havin to boot into windows |
| 02:00:02 | webguest05 | is there a tool like euPOD for rockbox to boost the volume of mp3's or isn't it necessary? |
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| 02:00:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: linux doesn't allow me to mount it... I/o errors |
| 02:00:45 | JdGordon | :( |
| 02:00:58 | Nico_P | never found a way to make it work apart from once where i got lucky, it juste started working out of nowhere |
| 02:01:19 | Nico_P | windows doesn't complain about it at all |
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| 02:01:49 | JdGordon | ok, well the thread at the moment is useless, so you could comment the thread creation out and use the sim |
| 02:02:04 | Nico_P | ok |
| 02:02:07 | JdGordon | I dont think i'l have much chance to play with it today |
| 02:02:09 | Nico_P | about audio_pr_ff_rewind: it's very easy to use... it just has to ba added to the plugin API and then be called with no arguments right before audio_ff_rewind |
| 02:02:31 | Nico_P | and you have almost instantaneous seeking :) |
| 02:02:40 | JdGordon | didnt you say that just pauses playpack? |
| 02:02:57 | Nico_P | well that's what i thought but it seems to do more than that |
| 02:03:04 | JdGordon | great |
| 02:03:29 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: still around? |
| 02:03:29 | Nico_P | i think that in fact it pauses the PCM buffer or something like that, which appears to make a difference |
| 02:03:38 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Yes. |
| 02:03:43 | SUSaiyan | allright |
| 02:03:56 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: with -a, both work perfectly |
| 02:04:20 | JdGordon | Nico_P: in that case, I wonder why the call is even needed? it sounds like it shhuold be part of the aduio_ff_rewind() call |
| 02:04:23 | SUSaiyan | and apple os loads both with the apple_os.ipod AND from its firmware partition |
| 02:04:36 | SUSaiyan | depending on whats there |
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| 02:04:57 | SUSaiyan | so yes, it works perfectly |
| 02:05:02 | Nico_P | JdGordon: when it's used, it's surrounded by ifdefs, so i think it's specific to SWCODEC targets |
| 02:05:18 | Nico_P | i'll have a closer look |
| 02:05:37 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Have you tried -wf again? |
| 02:05:55 | SUSaiyan | again? |
| 02:05:55 | Nico_P | i'm saying all this based on what i remember from when i looked at the code |
| 02:06:01 | JdGordon | k |
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| 02:06:12 | * | DerPapst is trying -wf right now |
| 02:06:12 | JdGordon | back in a few min |
| 02:06:26 | Nico_P | are you making changes to your code atm ? |
| 02:06:29 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: I mean, were your successful tests with -wf or without? |
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| 02:06:35 | SUSaiyan | did you update again or did i miss something |
| 02:06:54 | SUSaiyan | well if i use -wf, only rockbox works |
| 02:07:19 | SUSaiyan | with -a. everything works, like i told you above |
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| 02:10:37 | linuxstb | No, I didn't update anything. I was just wondering if you had tried again, just in case something odd happened the earlier times. |
| 02:11:00 | SUSaiyan | well ive used it lots of times, but i never noticed a difference |
| 02:11:03 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i have a 125MB backup of my firmware partition. if i put that back to my ipod with -w should the iPod then ask me about the language? It's like all settings have been resetted |
| 02:11:04 | linuxstb | But at least the steps described in the installation instructions work. Thanks for the tests. |
| 02:11:14 | SUSaiyan | youre welcome :) |
| 02:11:37 | SUSaiyan | now lets see how i can shrink this darn firmware partition |
| 02:12:39 | DerPapst | and i'm 100% sure i've transferred the complete bootpartition.bin back. it hasn't done that before |
| 02:12:41 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes, I noticed that with my Photo. Not sure why.... |
| 02:12:49 | DerPapst | odd |
| 02:13:06 | linuxstb | But I never use the Apple firmware, so never go past that language screen... |
| 02:13:15 | DerPapst | with ipodpatcher0.4 it didn't happen to me. |
| 02:13:31 | DerPapst | heh.. i have no choice... yet |
| 02:13:50 | DerPapst | but to be honest i like the applefirmware |
| 02:15:02 | SUSaiyan | yeah its nice, other then that it will not play so many formats and requires itunes |
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| 02:15:48 | DerPapst | i only have mp3 and aac/mp4 and i like itunes too ;) |
| 02:16:02 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 02:16:08 | SUSaiyan | ive got mp3 and oggs |
| 02:16:10 | linuxstb | Why are you here then? :) |
| 02:16:20 | SUSaiyan | and i dont like itunes :P |
| 02:16:32 | DerPapst | i like to play around with the ipod. |
| 02:16:33 | SUSaiyan | well its nice sure, but i dont have that everywhere |
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| 02:16:53 | linuxstb | Rockbox is everything the AppleOS isn't. I can't imagine people liking both... |
| 02:17:04 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: any idea how i can tell cfdisk what cluster size to use? |
| 02:17:11 | DerPapst | i've never used rockbox. |
| 02:17:27 | DerPapst | i have a 3G and rockbox doesn't work on that very well |
| 02:17:55 | DerPapst | besides that my 3G is half dead |
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| 02:19:17 | DerPapst | and after playing around with rockbox on my 3G i was confused about the button mapping. i wasn't able to go back to the filebrowser. |
| 02:19:28 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 02:19:34 | SUSaiyan | yeah it can be a bit weird |
| 02:19:36 | Soap | menu toggles between the menu and the filetree |
| 02:19:47 | SUSaiyan | not always |
| 02:20:12 | SUSaiyan | it goes to the menu below the current menu aswell |
| 02:20:35 | DerPapst | i like the solution of podzilla more. a mainmenu and there is is the filebrowser and a settings-option |
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| 02:21:12 | Soap | ok, menu will exit out of your current selection if you are an end-point, a decision point, in the menu, else it toggles between the menu and the filetree. |
| 02:21:41 | Soap | DerPapst: how do you get from the menu system to the filebrowser in IPL? |
| 02:22:02 | SUSaiyan | what filebrowser..? |
| 02:22:17 | Soap | for the main problem is the lack of buttons on the ipods, it makes dedicated use buttons "expensive" and thus most all button actions are context sensitive. |
| 02:22:23 | DerPapst | it's a menu entry right in the main menu. |
| 02:22:59 | Soap | "it" being filetree? |
| 02:23:00 | SUSaiyan | apple os seems to do fine with dedicated buttons ;) |
| 02:23:11 | Soap | SUSaiyan: apple os has less features. |
| 02:23:12 | DerPapst | but anyways... the controls are confusing on 3G iPods... the buttonlayout is optimized for ipod with clickwheel |
| 02:23:25 | SUSaiyan | not that much less |
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| 02:23:39 | Soap | SUSaiyan: take that back. |
| 02:23:45 | SUSaiyan | i will not. |
| 02:23:50 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: And no shortcuts between screens. I just found myself going up and down the tree structure to do things one button would do in Rockbox. |
| 02:23:50 | DerPapst | Soap: yes. |
| 02:24:29 | SUSaiyan | shortcuts? |
| 02:24:57 | linuxstb | e.g. from the "now playing screen" to the main menu. |
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| 02:25:15 | SUSaiyan | thats where the menu buttons comes in? |
| 02:25:31 | linuxstb | But it's been more than a year since I used it, so I've forgotten the exact examples. |
| 02:25:52 | SUSaiyan | been about 4 months here ^^ |
| 02:26:10 | SUSaiyan | i have only had this ipod for like 5, so yeah |
| 02:26:17 | DerPapst | Soap: imagine a mainmenu with the entries "Music >", "Filebrowser >", "Settings >" and so on, |
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| 02:26:53 | DerPapst | Soap: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Image:Ipodg42.jpg |
| 02:27:15 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: do you know how to resize the partition without messing it up? |
| 02:27:40 | linuxstb | Yes. Resize it. Don't mess it up. |
| 02:27:44 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 02:27:48 | DerPapst | hahahaha |
| 02:27:57 | SUSaiyan | thanks, that was very useful :) |
| 02:27:58 | Soap | SUSaiyan: does the Apple OS have any of the following? Themes? Saveable config sets? Replaygain? Crossfeed? Crossfade? Para EQ? Filetree AND Database navigation? Selectable fonts? Playlist generation 1/10th that of Rockbox's? Last.fM logging? Selectable stereo channels? Selectable balance? Selectable Stereo width? Peakmeters? Selectable codepage? Selectable scrollbars? Selectable idle poweroff? Selectable sleep timer? |
| 02:28:39 | DerPapst | of course |
| 02:28:39 | DerPapst | not |
| 02:28:41 | Soap | SUSaiyan: partition magic for windows really is nice. |
| 02:28:51 | SUSaiyan | does it NEED most of that? |
| 02:28:52 | Soap | SUSaiyan: and you can find older versions often for cheap./ |
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| 02:29:06 | SUSaiyan | also, i have partition magic 8 legally |
| 02:29:06 | Soap | SUSaiyan: why are you here? |
| 02:29:19 | SUSaiyan | but it doesnt detect my ipod :P |
| 02:29:31 | Soap | does windows? |
| 02:29:32 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: The first step is to get a working firmware partition using only a small part of the total size. After that, you can resize it (I would use fdisk under Linux). |
| 02:29:35 | SUSaiyan | because i dont like itunes ;) |
| 02:30:00 | Soap | SUSaiyan: yamipod, ephpod, foopod, anapod, sharepod |
| 02:30:11 | Soap | mediamonkey, winamp |
| 02:30:19 | webguest05 | Partiotion Magic has problems detecting USB devices :( |
| 02:30:22 | SUSaiyan | i dont have any of those on a random computer somewhere |
| 02:30:24 | Soap | SUSaiyan: Rockbox is not an iTunes replacement. |
| 02:30:28 | DerPapst | afaik partition magic don't like usb drives |
| 02:30:29 | SUSaiyan | like at school |
| 02:30:34 | webguest05 | Version 7 also doesn't work |
| 02:30:41 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Easiest method to create a suitable firmware partition is to use the "scramble" utility from Rockbox. I think DerPapst has a Windows binary somewhere. |
| 02:30:47 | Soap | SUSaiyan: they ALL (with the exception of anapod) can be run FROM the iPod. |
| 02:30:58 | Soap | so you have all of them anywhere. |
| 02:31:10 | DerPapst | i have :) |
| 02:31:17 | SUSaiyan | and i want to be able to just dump a file on there and play it. |
| 02:31:26 | Soap | SUSaiyan: they all let you do that. |
| 02:31:42 | SUSaiyan | eh, ill need to run it wont i? |
| 02:32:01 | webguest05 | can someone tell me where the german voice files are? |
| 02:32:04 | DerPapst | but he has to use the -ipodXg option then? |
| 02:32:05 | SUSaiyan | i cant just go like *copy file to ipod* *unplug and listen* |
| 02:32:41 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes, with one of the old bootloader.bin files. But I could provide a .bin version of the latest bootloader. |
| 02:32:56 | SUSaiyan | scramble? |
| 02:33:11 | Soap | SUSaiyan: Rockbox comes will all the features (and more) I listed above. If you don't think a DAP firmware needs all that, AND you want drag-and-drop, you own the wrong player. |
| 02:33:29 | SUSaiyan | Soap: hey, i didnt buy it, i got it from work ;) |
| 02:33:34 | Soap | then sell it. |
| 02:33:38 | SUSaiyan | nah, its nice |
| 02:33:45 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Yes, it has the ability to create a full firmware partition image containing only the Rockbox bootloader. About 60KB... |
| 02:34:09 | SUSaiyan | hmm, isnt that what the -wf option should do? |
| 02:34:10 | barrywardell | dan_a: any luck testing crt0 on your 3g? |
| 02:34:15 | linuxstb | You then write it using "ipodpatcher N -w bootloader.img". |
| 02:34:54 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: No, the -wf just replaces the main firmware image inside the partition - it deliberately doesn't touch the RSRC, AUPD and HIBE images. |
| 02:35:06 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 02:36:11 | DerPapst | SUSaiyan: what model do you have? |
| 02:36:15 | SUSaiyan | nano |
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| 02:36:29 | SUSaiyan | first gen, 4GB, black ;) |
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| 02:36:53 | DerPapst | :) |
| 02:37:17 | DerPapst | do you want to have the scramble tool? |
| 02:37:31 | SUSaiyan | also, Soap, i do like that it has those features, but i just dont like the way the menu is put together compared to the apple os |
| 02:37:47 | SUSaiyan | DerPapst: yes please :) |
| 02:37:50 | * | DerPapst agrees |
| 02:38:14 | Soap | the rockbox menu works quite similarly to the apple menu. |
| 02:38:16 | DerPapst | you are on win x86? |
| 02:38:27 | Soap | a nested tree with selectable options at the end./ |
| 02:38:37 | SUSaiyan | win, lin, whatever you wish ;) |
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| 02:38:50 | SUSaiyan | just as long as its not 64 bits ;P |
| 02:38:53 | SUSaiyan | or a mac |
| 02:38:57 | DerPapst | ok |
| 02:39:08 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Do you have a copy of the Rockbox source? |
| 02:39:16 | SUSaiyan | i do not |
| 02:39:20 | linuxstb | If so, you'll find scramble in the tools/ directory. |
| 02:39:31 | SUSaiyan | im lazy and just randomly download daily builds |
| 02:40:00 | DerPapst | are you ob windows atm? |
| 02:40:05 | DerPapst | *on |
| 02:40:10 | SUSaiyan | on my other computer, yes |
| 02:40:22 | DerPapst | so you are on linux now? |
| 02:40:28 | SUSaiyan | on this computer, yes ;) |
| 02:40:41 | DerPapst | thats what i wanted to know ;) |
| 02:40:49 | SUSaiyan | but send me the win one :P |
| 02:40:55 | DerPapst | http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=32 |
| 02:40:58 | SUSaiyan | ive got the rest of the ipod stuff there too |
| 02:41:03 | DerPapst | the sourcecode |
| 02:41:09 | SUSaiyan | thatll do |
| 02:41:09 | DerPapst | ok |
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| 02:41:16 | DerPapst | ok² |
| 02:41:19 | SUSaiyan | lol |
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| 02:41:45 | SUSaiyan | lol, stop sign |
| 02:43:47 | DerPapst | every good "messing-around-with-the-ipod's-firmware"-tool has it ;) |
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| 02:44:39 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 02:45:25 | SUSaiyan | now, what exactly should i do with this |
| 02:46:04 | DerPapst | scramble -ipod4g bootloader.bin new_firmware.bin |
| 02:46:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: The links on the IpodInstallationBeta page don't work yet... |
| 02:46:26 | DerPapst | but you need an older bootloader |
| 02:46:31 | SUSaiyan | hmm, older? :/ |
| 02:46:49 | SUSaiyan | i just got used to this one, hehe |
| 02:46:52 | linuxstb | You just need to remove the first 8 bytes from bootloader-ipodnano.ipod |
| 02:46:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, I didn't check the links... I just assumed if they were there, they'd work. =/ Sorry, lemme go correct my statement. |
| 02:46:59 | DerPapst | yes.. not one with the new *.ipod format |
| 02:47:04 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 02:47:14 | SUSaiyan | whats the first 8 bytes? |
| 02:47:15 | linuxstb | Llorean: They'll work next time I see Bagder around.... |
| 02:47:23 | DerPapst | ask linuxstb about them |
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| 02:48:02 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: The difference between the old ".bin" format the scramble expects, and the .ipod format used by the new ipodpatcher. A checksum and a four-character model identifier. |
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| 02:48:56 | SUSaiyan | of course one could just change scramble to ignore the first 8 bytes |
| 02:49:31 | SUSaiyan | right? ^^ |
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| 02:49:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: It doesn't matter, apparently the ipod_fw.exe link works if you actually type it properly, anyway. I'm not sure why it has the invalid character in it. |
| 02:49:57 | Llorean | Be back in a bit |
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| 02:50:35 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Yes, one could do that. |
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| 02:51:05 | SUSaiyan | cant be that hard >.> |
| 02:51:21 | linuxstb | If you have Linux, it's trivial though - just do "dd if=file.ipod bs=1 skip=8 of=file.bin" |
| 02:51:39 | SUSaiyan | oh right *cough* |
| 02:52:13 | linuxstb | Or "tail −−bytes=XXXXXX file.ipod > file.bin" where XXXXX is the size of the file in bytes minus 8. |
| 02:53:49 | SUSaiyan | heh, i didnt know tail could do bytes |
| 02:55:27 | DerPapst | gcc -o sleep sleep.c |
| 02:55:28 | DerPapst | ./sleep −−DerPapst |
| 02:55:33 | DerPapst | good night |
| 02:55:49 | SUSaiyan | hehe, night |
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| 02:56:25 | SUSaiyan | okay so i can now just dd this bin file onto the firmware partition? |
| 02:56:37 | SUSaiyan | the one scramble generated that is |
| 02:57:18 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:58:54 | SUSaiyan | okay, it still boots, now to resize the partition |
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| 03:00:37 | SUSaiyan | hmm, it seems to like calling it sda1 instead of sda2 |
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| 03:03:57 | SUSaiyan | yeah okay fdisk just messed up the partition table |
| 03:04:43 | linuxstb | fdisk did exactly what you told it to do... |
| 03:05:06 | linuxstb | Did you save a copy of your partition table? |
| 03:05:46 | | Quit graveyrd () |
| 03:06:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:06:23 | SUSaiyan | hehe, no ^^ |
| 03:06:45 | SUSaiyan | but thats okay, ill just restore it again :) |
| 03:06:57 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-nano4gb.bin |
| 03:07:07 | linuxstb | dd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/dev/sda |
| 03:07:14 | SUSaiyan | or that |
| 03:07:36 | linuxstb | Then I would unplug it, then reattach. |
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| 03:09:34 | SUSaiyan | or eject :) |
| 03:09:53 | SUSaiyan | well the partition table is back to normal now |
| 03:10:39 | linuxstb | Just change it so the first partititon is from 1 to 1, and the second is from 2 to the end. Make sure everything else looks the same (use p to display it before the changes, then p again at the end and compare). |
| 03:11:28 | JdGordon | bloody hell copying stuff across a 10mbit LAN is slow |
| 03:11:54 | linuxstb | Burning to DVD could be faster... |
| 03:12:07 | SUSaiyan | oh now i see whats wrong, cfdisk just calls the empty partition empty space, and not a partition |
| 03:12:38 | linuxstb | Use fdisk. |
| 03:12:48 | linuxstb | I know for sure fdisk will work. |
| 03:12:54 | JdGordon | linuxstb: it would be, but the destination comp doesnt hve a dvd rom |
| 03:13:18 | linuxstb | Move the hard drive between computers? :) |
| 03:13:47 | JdGordon | cant be bothered :p |
| 03:14:37 | linuxstb | Any progress with the cue plugin? I'm looking forward to trying it, but the buglist seems too long at the moment. |
| 03:14:58 | JdGordon | havnt had a chance today to pay with it, probably wont be any progress untill tomorow |
| 03:15:46 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: fdisk did work, i was just hoping cfdisk wouldnt be less smart, but unfortunately it was |
| 03:16:10 | linuxstb | It's stupidity is fdisk's strength. It lets you do anything. |
| 03:16:29 | linuxstb | Strictly speaking, cfdisk is correct - the first partition is empty space. |
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| 03:17:21 | SUSaiyan | true, but it would have been nice if i could set a partition to type 00 |
| 03:17:24 | SUSaiyan | it wouldnt let me do that |
| 03:17:58 | SUSaiyan | and damn disk mode is slow |
| 03:17:58 | linuxstb | That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it. |
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| 03:18:34 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 03:18:36 | Soap | are you serious linuxstb? |
| 03:19:00 | linuxstb | About what? |
| 03:19:31 | SUSaiyan | too bad 1 cylinder is 8mb |
| 03:19:37 | Soap | That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it. |
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| 03:20:32 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: fdisk lets you specify the size in sectors or MB I think, but I've no idea what's "legal". You could try reducing it and see what happens. |
| 03:20:59 | linuxstb | Soap: Do you think otherwise? |
| 03:21:04 | SUSaiyan | it doesnt change it to a legal setting? |
| 03:21:21 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: I don't know. |
| 03:21:22 | SUSaiyan | i know that in cfdisk it just resizes it so that it fits |
| 03:21:35 | SUSaiyan | so does partition magic actually |
| 03:21:39 | Soap | linuxstb: I never thought that hard about it. I always assumed it was due to lack of effort, not intentional crippeling. |
| 03:22:15 | linuxstb | It's not crippling, it's safety. So that it's not accidentally deleted. If it was another type, I'm guessing Windows (and maybe MacOS) would offer to format it for you. |
| 03:22:48 | SUSaiyan | indeed, youre not even supposed to know its there ^^ |
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| 03:25:59 | Soap | you know, I just realized that we are talking about two different things, linuxstb, due to a missread on my part. |
| 03:26:27 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 03:26:29 | Soap | I took that line of yours as a response to the line directly above it. |
| 03:26:29 | Soap | <SUSaiyan> and damn disk mode is slow |
| 03:26:29 | Soap | <linuxstb> That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it |
| 03:26:44 | SUSaiyan | haha :D |
| 03:27:07 | SUSaiyan | now why would disk mode be slow ;) |
| 03:27:45 | SUSaiyan | also, is there any word about a usb driver yet? :/ |
| 03:28:22 | linuxstb | There seems to be USB progress on the Sansa, which also has a PortalPlayer CPU. |
| 03:28:52 | linuxstb | So maybe something useful for the ipods could come from there. |
| 03:32:21 | SUSaiyan | neat |
| 03:33:02 | SUSaiyan | why is the usb so hard anyway? |
| 03:35:30 | Nico_P | JdGordon: are you back ? |
| 03:36:11 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: Zero documentation. |
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| 03:38:50 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hey |
| 03:39:27 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i took your cue viewer and made a few changes based on my experiments |
| 03:39:53 | Nico_P | i now have a viewer which displays a menu with all the tracks in the cue, allowing to seek to them :) |
| 03:40:01 | JdGordon | haha, nice |
| 03:40:08 | Nico_P | and the seeking is almost immediate |
| 03:40:20 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 03:40:36 | Nico_P | have you made changes to the code that's on the wiki ? |
| 03:40:50 | JdGordon | no |
| 03:41:10 | Nico_P | ok |
| 03:41:34 | Nico_P | i'll put a patch on the wiki when i go to bed |
| 03:41:55 | JdGordon | great |
| 03:42:14 | Nico_P | if you want to see, i can send one to you |
| 03:42:32 | JdGordon | busy at the moment... ill check it out when you upload it |
| 03:42:36 | Nico_P | ok |
| 03:42:43 | SUSaiyan | hum, this isnt good |
| 03:43:03 | SUSaiyan | Data arbort at 0002C554 |
| 03:43:16 | SUSaiyan | when attempting to play music |
| 03:43:27 | Nico_P | JdGordon: how do i choose which entry of a menu is selected when i show the menu ? |
| 03:43:57 | Nico_P | that way i can test your find_current_track and maybe debug it if needed |
| 03:44:33 | Llorean-away | SUSaiyan: What format music, what player, etc? |
| 03:44:54 | JdGordon | Nico_P: the best way is to use a list instead of a menu |
| 03:45:09 | SUSaiyan | any format, ipod nano 1st gen, 4gb |
| 03:45:16 | Nico_P | ah |
| 03:45:21 | JdGordon | its a bit harder to set up, but still farily easy to ue |
| 03:45:39 | Llorean-away | SUSaiyan: Define "any", as I doubt you've tried every single format Rockbox supports. |
| 03:45:40 | Nico_P | i'll look into that, but is there an easy way to select the default menu entry ? |
| 03:45:52 | SUSaiyan | okay okay, ogg and mp3 |
| 03:46:11 | Llorean-away | SUSaiyan: Also, what day's CVS or daily build are you using, and which sort is it? |
| 03:46:27 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I dont tihnk so |
| 03:46:35 | SUSaiyan | yesterdays daily build (well, 8 hours ago) |
| 03:46:46 | SUSaiyan | with linuxstb's new bootloader :P |
| 03:47:09 | Nico_P | :( |
| 03:47:35 | Nico_P | ah, got it : it must be menu_set_cursor :) |
| 03:48:01 | JdGordon | Nico_P: that current track code was done at like 12.30am, so its failry liekly to make no sense at all :D |
| 03:48:11 | Llorean-away | SUSaiyan: Try using a CVS build, and clear settings upon reboot using the hold-switch method (assuming that still works), and make sure you've replaced the codecs when installing it. |
| 03:48:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'll soon know more :) |
| 03:48:42 | JdGordon | :) |
| 03:49:29 | linuxstb | Llorean-away: Have you tried the latest bootloader and ipodpatcher on your Nano? Files are here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip |
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| 03:50:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: I can't right now, unfortunately. 180 miles from home |
| 03:50:43 | linuxstb | You probably read in the logs that I implemented your hold-switch idea. |
| 03:51:08 | Llorean | I noticed something like that, yeah. :) |
| 03:51:35 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: did you actually try if you could still play music? ;) |
| 03:51:42 | Llorean | linuxstb Does apple_os.ipod work? |
| 03:51:55 | Llorean | I remember the old attempt at trying that failed horribly. |
| 03:51:56 | SUSaiyan | not on the nano :/ |
| 03:51:59 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: No, but no-one else has complained... |
| 03:52:05 | SUSaiyan | okay |
| 03:52:13 | SUSaiyan | must just be me then |
| 03:52:28 | SUSaiyan | of course im also the only one that used the scramble thing, id guess |
| 03:52:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: It seems to, but SUSaiyan had problems with that as well... That's why I'm curious to get results from other Nanos. |
| 03:53:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll test as fully as I can when I get home, but it won't be 'till after the weekend. |
| 03:53:11 | Llorean | SUSaiyan: Does it freeze when you try to play music with Apple_OS? |
| 03:53:19 | SUSaiyan | what apple_os :P |
| 03:53:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: I remember it froze up on USB insert, or when you tried to run music |
| 03:53:52 | SUSaiyan | sound does work in the metronome plugin though |
| 03:54:13 | Llorean | SUSaiyan: Did you follow my instructions re using a newer build and making sure to clear the settings? |
| 03:54:29 | SUSaiyan | i am right now |
| 03:54:31 | Llorean | I've had on some rare cases my Nano continually data abort until I cleared its settings. |
| 03:54:35 | SUSaiyan | but disk mode is slow as hell |
| 03:54:44 | Llorean | That's why you keep Apple OS around. :-P |
| 03:54:47 | SUSaiyan | i did clear the settings before that though |
| 03:55:06 | SUSaiyan | meh, the apple os uses 80mb :P |
| 03:55:28 | Soap | that is an album. |
| 03:55:39 | linuxstb | Or two FLACs... |
| 03:56:08 | Llorean | I guess since I only really use my Nano for exercising, I don't feel the need to even fill it. |
| 03:56:34 | SUSaiyan | well its not filled with music, but i use it for other stuff too :) |
| 03:59:04 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yeah, find_current_track was a bit wrong ;) |
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| 04:02:56 | SUSaiyan | my god, why the hell is disk mode so slow |
| 04:04:48 | Soap | That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it ;) |
| 04:05:00 | SUSaiyan | hehe, thats what i was thinking too ;) |
| 04:05:24 | linuxstb | Are you serious? |
| 04:05:33 | SUSaiyan | lol |
| 04:05:54 | Llorean | What ever happened to that one person who consistently maintained he got full speed transfers in disk mode? |
| 04:06:31 | SUSaiyan | he does get full speed transfers, however, usb is called high speed |
| 04:06:32 | Soap | linuxstb: I was trying to turn my earlier misunderstanding into a joke. |
| 04:06:38 | SUSaiyan | ;) |
| 04:06:45 | Soap | Llorean: did that one person have USB 1.1 only? |
| 04:06:58 | SUSaiyan | Soap: in case you didnt notice, he copy pasted your response ;P |
| 04:07:19 | Soap | doh |
| 04:07:22 | SUSaiyan | usb 2 is called high speed* |
| 04:07:29 | Llorean | Soap: No, they were reporting transfer speeds the same as I got in-Apple. |
| 04:07:37 | Soap | must be nice. |
| 04:07:56 | Llorean | SUSaiyan: I was using "Full speed" as in "The full speed that the iPod can transfer at" rather than the USB Full Speed. |
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| 04:08:53 | linuxstb | Goodnight. |
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| 04:11:11 | SUSaiyan | hehe, okay |
| 04:11:20 | SUSaiyan | also, updating fixed the error |
| 04:11:22 | SUSaiyan | thanks :) |
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| 04:13:48 | SUSaiyan | hmm, it would be kind cool that if theres ever a usb driver, it could both play music and let it be used as disk |
| 04:13:55 | SUSaiyan | kinda* |
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| 04:15:48 | SUSaiyan | heh, one read error and it marks it unable to be read? wth? |
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| 04:35:59 | Soap | you don't need them. |
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| 04:46:06 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'll make a patch for you |
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| 05:00:36 | miso91 | Blackmoon: http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
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| 05:03:24 | chrisjs | I got a problem |
| 05:04:11 | chrisjs | When using the zip file for the Sansa on the CVS builds page, I get an error message saying |
| 05:04:14 | chrisjs | Grr |
| 05:04:17 | chrisjs | Keep pressing enter |
| 05:04:29 | chrisjs | 'No partition found. Insert USB calbe and fix it' |
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| 05:08:51 | SUSaiyan | make a partition then? :) |
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| 05:11:42 | chrisjs | That's generally what I'd do but the partition already exists. Both the regular partition and the 20 meg partition |
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| 05:15:18 | chrisjs | Any other suggestions? |
| 05:17:15 | SUSaiyan | um, not really, i havent even heard of the sansa before today, heh |
| 05:19:21 | chrisjs | Might just be a bug I guess...maybe I'll wait 'till tomorrow to try again |
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| 05:29:21 | SUSaiyan | chrisjs: ask on the forum, im sure some dev will read it and help you out :) |
| 05:29:35 | SUSaiyan | or on the mailing list |
| 05:31:26 | chrisjs | Ok |
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| 08:31:21 | JdGordon | we have a enw record! |
| 08:31:39 | JdGordon | 39 seconds! |
| 08:31:54 | JdGordon | or does it not count because he didnt ask a quesiton? |
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| 08:33:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: Balme teh keybaord ;) |
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| 09:18:42 | alsaf | is anybody working on rockbox for th Sansa E200 series? |
| 09:19:13 | Bagder | a whole bunch is |
| 09:21:03 | alsaf | Does it matter what model of player you get? |
| 09:21:18 | Bagder | yes, we're not yet running on the R model |
| 09:21:21 | Slasheri | hmm, it seems some interesting commits happened in the night (synchronous queues) |
| 09:21:26 | Bagder | models rather |
| 09:21:27 | alsaf | I was thinking of trying to get the 2gig model cheap in the january sales |
| 09:22:12 | Bagder | and of course, rockbox doesn't yet have sound on the sansa ;-) |
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| 09:22:56 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand the purpose of synchronous queue |
| 09:23:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: did you check the playback.c changes? |
| 09:23:21 | amiconn | When it needs to be synchronous, why use a queue in the first place, instead of just executing the code? |
| 09:23:37 | amiconn | Yes, but I don't understand them |
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| 09:23:44 | Slasheri | hmm, i think lostlogic had reasons for it.. |
| 09:24:26 | alsaf | As I already have a MP3 player I will be using it for mucking about with rocbox |
| 09:24:38 | amiconn | I still don't understand the whole swcodec playback system well enough |
| 09:25:12 | amiconn | It seems more complicated than I think it needs to be |
| 09:25:13 | Slasheri | amiconn: but mutexes would have done the same thing (that is what i was using originally) |
| 09:25:25 | Slasheri | but now there is no mutexes but other mechanisms to do the locking |
| 09:27:36 | alsaf | how is anyway I can identify the model so I don't buy the wrong one? |
| 09:27:53 | amiconn | Somehow I need to understand this monster :/ |
| 09:28:01 | alsaf | sorry is there anyway I can identify the sansa model so I don't buy the wrong one? |
| 09:28:05 | Bagder | alsaf: the R models are "Rhapsody" ones and they are called something like e250R etc |
| 09:28:48 | Bagder | they have a different encryption key that we haven't yet extracted |
| 09:30:34 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, I found what was wrong with my problematic flac folder |
| 09:31:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, what was it? |
| 09:31:17 | amiconn | Somehow linux managed to mangle the file data of several files after some point during the usb transfer |
| 09:31:34 | Slasheri | hmm, that's weird |
| 09:32:03 | amiconn | E.g. the first problematic file (~19MB) was okay until ~11MB, subsequent data was completely disjunct from what should be there |
| 09:32:28 | amiconn | I retransferred the files using windows, and the whole folder plays fine |
| 09:33:22 | amiconn | So the codec ran into a decoding error, and skipped to the next file (and produced a short audible glitch) |
| 09:33:49 | amiconn | But this shows that the decoding error handling needs some work |
| 09:34:26 | amiconn | There was no visible indication that something was wrong with the file, and in one case the decoding error even confused the playback engine |
| 09:34:40 | alsaf | badger: cool. I've read on the sansa forum about certain components are write only. Does this mean write once? |
| 09:34:49 | amiconn | It played the same (defective) track over and over instead of advancing |
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| 09:35:13 | Slasheri | amiconn: true.. syslog support would at least provide comprehensive feedback of the errors |
| 09:35:45 | Bagder | alsaf: write only components? I don't know what that would be |
| 09:35:48 | amiconn | Nah, I wouldn't want any such logging in standard builds |
| 09:36:02 | Slasheri | UI (main thread) could periodically check if there are any messages in the syslog with higher priority defined by user and display those |
| 09:36:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: debugging messages could be ripped of at compile time |
| 09:36:21 | alsaf | Badger: The I2C devices |
| 09:36:48 | amiconn | Logf is good enough for analysing such problems I'd say |
| 09:36:51 | Bagder | alsaf: ah, no it just means that the devices can't be read from, only written to |
| 09:37:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: but it's not good for notifying user about problems |
| 09:38:22 | Slasheri | and for example printing anything directly from playback thread is very problematic |
| 09:38:29 | Slasheri | but with syslog that would be easy |
| 09:39:03 | amiconn | I would think just setting a flag (e.g. in the metadata) that a decoding error happened should be enough |
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| 09:40:19 | Slasheri | but there are many other error situations too that should be reportable |
| 09:40:21 | alsaf | badger: so anything can be done to sansa player and it can be backed out? |
| 09:40:28 | Slasheri | such as failure to load codec etc. |
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| 09:42:30 | Bagder | alsaf: well, we proceed in an as safe way as possible so installing Rockbox will be pretty safe. We can of course never guarantee anything |
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| 09:53:43 | alsaf | badger: no worries, I understand. I currently have a H120 running rocbox and I was wondering if there is any programs (apart from rocbox source code) that I could use with H120 that would be helpful when I get Sansa? |
| 09:53:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: Still... syslog sounds like overkill to me |
| 09:54:10 | amiconn | Rockbox is an embedded firmware, not a fat client os... |
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| 09:55:09 | Slasheri | hmm, not at all for me.. even tagcache has a _lot_ of possible errors and reporting them all without some centralized message reporting system, would be very complex |
| 09:56:59 | Slasheri | for standard builds only critical/fatal errors and important notifys could be included, while debug build could include everything |
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| 09:57:46 | Slasheri | for example syslog(SYSLOG_DEBUG, "Some error: %s", ...); would be easy to rip off for a standard build |
| 09:58:17 | amiconn | How? |
| 09:58:24 | JdGordon | I started a patch ages ago to revamp the logf functions, its proabbly still on the dev mailing list if your interested... |
| 09:58:29 | Slasheri | with simple pre-processor defines? |
| 09:59:28 | amiconn | Bagder: Somewhat unrelated... shouldn't we have the rockbox 5th anniversary around these days, or do I remember wrong? |
| 09:59:45 | Bagder | seems about right... |
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| 10:00:29 | Bagder | Date: 2001-12-07 |
| 10:00:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: How would you ifdef out only some syslog calls? |
| 10:00:45 | Bagder | we're overdue! |
| 10:00:48 | amiconn | oh |
| 10:01:36 | JdGordon | 10 days late, but happy bday rockbox! |
| 10:05:22 | JdGordon | Is anyone interested in the .cue plugin? I think its working about as well as can be expected now |
| 10:06:00 | alsaf | thanks for answering questions for me Badger, amiconn much appreciated. |
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| 10:07:40 | alsaf | I'll muck about with the sourcecode for the H120 to get my head round how rockbox works and most likely pick up a sansa after the new year. |
| 10:08:34 | alsaf | If I'm not back on the forum again soon, I hope everybody has a good christmas and a happy new year |
| 10:08:50 | alsaf | sorry irc room |
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| 10:15:36 | JdGordon | does anyone know what gui_synclist_get_sel_pos() returns when the list item size is more than 1? |
| 10:16:03 | Slasheri | amiconn: detecting the syslog level by pre-processor.. However, i have not yet determined how to implement it |
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| 10:16:33 | webguest77 | hey guys, I'm kinda new to rockbox and I have a few questions, if thats cool |
| 10:17:40 | webguest77 | I have an Ipod video and I have alot of videos and music and stuff, but I really want to keep my music and videos (i have alot of movies and a few series's of shows) |
| 10:17:59 | webguest77 | will rockbox flash my hard drive or will i get to keep my files |
| 10:18:04 | Slasheri | amiconn: or maybe a separate syslog_debug used by debug builds only |
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| 10:19:23 | webguest77 | ? |
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| 10:25:24 | webguest77 | dude, is anyone gonna answer? |
| 10:25:34 | tucoz | webguest77: rockbox will not wipe anything |
| 10:25:56 | tucoz | you can still boot your ipod fw to play videos etc. |
| 10:26:17 | webguest77 | so like it boots normally and you launch the rockbox? |
| 10:26:42 | tucoz | The bootloader can boot both rockbox and the original fw |
| 10:27:34 | webguest77 | alright, is the tutorial easy and is this kinda like a basic program or is it alot of code and stuff |
| 10:27:58 | tucoz | it is easy to install rockbox |
| 10:28:00 | JdGordon | its kinda like basic, on retarted amounts of steroids |
| 10:28:06 | tucoz | hehe |
| 10:28:08 | webguest77 | alright |
| 10:28:17 | webguest77 | where can i find the best tutorial? |
| 10:28:39 | tucoz | see the manual, www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 10:28:55 | webguest77 | k |
| 10:29:16 | webguest77 | how well are the emulators like, are they smooth or laggy? |
| 10:29:28 | tucoz | gameboy? |
| 10:29:39 | webguest77 | gameboy, NES and sega |
| 10:29:56 | tucoz | we do not have nes and sega emulators |
| 10:30:00 | webguest77 | ah |
| 10:30:03 | JdGordon | anyone know why im getting the "filetype strig buffer empty" error message on boot? |
| 10:30:07 | webguest77 | well then just the gameboy than |
| 10:30:24 | tucoz | What player do you have? |
| 10:32:25 | tucoz | Ah, we have doom and spectrum as well |
| 10:32:38 | tucoz | and some |
| 10:32:39 | amiconn | And pacbox |
| 10:32:51 | tucoz | ah, forgot that |
| 10:32:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: Too many definitions in viewer.c |
| 10:33:01 | amiconn | viewers.config even |
| 10:33:29 | webguest77 | so they run farily well? |
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| 10:34:38 | tucoz | I think so. I only have the h120 which is black and white, so I do not play too much games |
| 10:35:11 | webguest77 | lol, alright |
| 10:35:16 | tucoz | But i think doom and spectrum is very playable on the most colour targets |
| 10:36:14 | webguest77 | my ipod is realy new and i under stand that there is a risk. if worst comes to worse can i like redo my ipod as in flashing or something to get it back to facory settings? |
| 10:37:07 | tucoz | I do not think anyone has ruined their ipod because of rockbox |
| 10:37:26 | webguest77 | alright |
| 10:37:31 | n1s | yes, ipods can easily be restored as long as you have a windows or mac machine available or if you actually follow the instructions and save a backup of your firmware partition |
| 10:37:47 | linuxstb__ | webguest77: Installing Rockbox only modifies what's on the hard disk, not what's in flash. iTunes has an option to restore the hard disk to the factory state. |
| 10:37:59 | webguest77 | so when i start my ipod, it starts normally and i boot up rockbox? |
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| 10:38:32 | tucoz | it starts either apple firmware or rockbox, depending on what key you press |
| 10:38:34 | linuxstb | webguest77: Rockbox installs a dual-boot bootloader. |
| 10:38:56 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder (or someone with access to download.rockbox.org) |
| 10:39:12 | tucoz | but i´ll leave the rest to linuxstb, as he is the ipod guru |
| 10:39:14 | webguest77 | oh so like for example; I'd press play and it starts as ipod and i pess menu and it starts as rockbox? |
| 10:39:51 | tucoz | something like that, i think |
| 10:39:59 | n1s | or the other way around actualkly |
| 10:40:00 | linuxstb | With the new version of the bootloader I'm about to release, you turn the hold switch on to boot into Apple's firmware, and do nothing to boot into Rockbox. |
| 10:40:28 | Slasheri | webguest77: if you use linux, just use dd to backup the system partition |
| 10:40:41 | n1s | linuxstb: will that not be even more "confusing" than resetting the settings? |
| 10:40:52 | Slasheri | webguest77: you can't really broke your ipod, at worst you just need to restore that partition (can be done with itunes also) |
| 10:40:57 | Slasheri | and you might lose all your music |
| 10:41:20 | webguest77 | so i press play normally for rock box and switch the hold apple? |
| 10:41:22 | linuxstb | n1s: At least it's harmless. |
| 10:41:50 | n1s | sure ;-) |
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| 10:43:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: I hope the bootloader is able to detect the non-presence of the apple firmware, and doesn't try to boot into it when hold is on |
| 10:43:20 | amiconn | _That_ would be confusing |
| 10:44:26 | webguest77 | so i kinda take that as a yes |
| 10:44:48 | webguest77 | but for whats released right now how do you switch back and fouth? |
| 10:46:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, does that apple_os.ipod mean that rolo will also work? |
| 10:46:55 | tucoz | Maybe you should wiat for linuxstb to release the new bootloader |
| 10:47:01 | amiconn | And what about the resource image(s)? |
| 10:47:14 | tucoz | bbl |
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| 10:47:35 | webguest77 | ok |
| 10:47:38 | webguest77 | when should that be released? |
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| 10:55:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, this version should detect non-presence of the apple firmware. Can you try the current CVS? And no, Rolo doesn't quite work yet - we (myself/dan_a/barrywardell) that it's the most likely because we're not putting the COP into the right state before starting the Apple firmware. |
| 10:56:27 | linuxstb | webguest77: You can try it now if you want. You will need to download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) |
| 10:59:02 | linuxstb | One thing that may be wrong in the bootloader is that the messages could be too big for the Mini and/or Nano. e.g. lines like "Press MENU+SELECT to reboot" and "then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode" which is displayed on a fatal error. |
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| 10:59:33 | webguest77 | I dont really have to worry, I have the 80gb video |
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| 11:00:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Also, the resource image(s) stay in the firmware partition. ipodpatcher deliberately doesn't touch anything apart from the main firmware image. |
| 11:00:43 | webguest77 | But I'm really thankful you guys helped me out here, and I guess you guys have someone new in the rockbox comitee. If I need help again I'll know where to come. Thanks alot:) |
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| 11:06:47 | n1s | guess he's gonna come back when it doesn't work :-P |
| 11:08:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Very simple calculation: With the sysfont, the mini can display 13 lines with 23 characters |
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| 11:12:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. So I need to fix the messages... |
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| 11:23:25 | webguest11 | hi i coudlnt find many stable versions of the software, just wondering which model has the best support of this firmware? Cause i have a few blind friends who would love a ipod but cant see them |
| 11:23:39 | webguest11 | and iv tested it out on my H10 iriver but that was quite buggy and rarly worked |
| 11:23:45 | webguest11 | speech i mean didnt work |
| 11:23:48 | webguest11 | any ideas? |
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| 11:25:15 | linuxstb | We haven't released a version that we would call "stable" for anything apart from the older Archos devices. |
| 11:25:47 | linuxstb | But out of the newer players, the iriver (H1xx and H3xx series) and the iaudio X5 are the most stable. |
| 11:27:00 | linuxstb | H10 and ipods are very similar, and Rockbox doesn't support all the hardware in those players as well as the other devices I just mentioned. |
| 11:27:25 | linuxstb | But I can't comment on how well speech works on any player, as I don't use it. |
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| 11:28:33 | webguest11 | ok |
| 11:28:36 | webguest11 | cheers |
| 11:28:50 | webguest11 | is there any1 here that is blind and uses it? |
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| 11:30:15 | linuxstb | I think the mailing list is probably the best way to contact other blind users. |
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| 11:33:14 | bluebrother^ | nice :) I managed to setup a pastebin on my uni webspace with has LaTeX syntax highlighting |
| 11:33:41 | bluebrother^ | I think the Rockbox site should have this ... |
| 11:34:59 | pixelma | really nice :) |
| 11:37:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: new test report on your settings rework.... playback option "shuffle - yes" does not shuffle my playlist - at lest if set through the menu (Ondio doesn't have the quickmenu) |
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| 11:41:38 | pixelma | also... writing settings disturbs screen updates - because of it being a text it takes a longer time now it is visible for example while playing bubbles and most annoying when running oscilloscope - please consider making it binary as it is in cvs.... |
| 11:41:56 | pixelma | (resume position I mean) |
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| 12:02:42 | tucoz | hello |
| 12:03:45 | bluebrother^ | hi tucoz |
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| 12:04:12 | tucoz | hello. I read that you had a latex pastebin. cool |
| 12:04:22 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/pastebin.php |
| 12:04:42 | bluebrother | I found some code for GeSHi which is used by pastebin and set that up |
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| 12:05:34 | bluebrother | hopefully someone of the server admins likes the idea of having this on rb.org |
| 12:06:16 | tucoz | cool |
| 12:06:58 | bluebrother | open source is great :) |
| 12:07:27 | tucoz | it really is. would be great to have our own pastebin for rockbox |
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| 12:09:15 | tucoz | what license do you think the screenshots should be under? |
| 12:09:35 | tucoz | gfdl would work, right? |
| 12:09:51 | bluebrother | I think so. |
| 12:10:21 | tucoz | Should we set up a COPYING/LICENSE document in the root for the manual source tree? |
| 12:10:33 | tucoz | s/for/of |
| 12:10:39 | bluebrother | I was thinking if it would be better to have this in the docs folder |
| 12:10:46 | bluebrother | like docs/COPYING-MANUAL |
| 12:10:53 | linuxstb | Have you decided anything about the (C) messages? |
| 12:10:57 | bluebrother | and docs/CREDITS-MANUAL |
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| 12:11:17 | bluebrother | no decision yet |
| 12:11:44 | tucoz | linuxstb, what do you think about that? (the (c) messages) |
| 12:12:32 | tucoz | bluebrother, that sounds good. |
| 12:13:05 | bluebrother | if we ever start building a tarball of the manual sources we could simply include the docs folder also |
| 12:13:10 | tucoz | yep |
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| 12:15:12 | linuxstb | tucoz: I can't think of anything better than what we do in the Rockbox source. i.e. the (C) holder is the person who started the file, or the author of whatever was copied and pasted to create that file. |
| 12:15:41 | bluebrother | like so: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/7 |
| 12:15:55 | tucoz | Yes, but in some cases that is impossible to know. Would it be ok to have (c) The Rockbox Manual team? |
| 12:16:20 | bluebrother | use the "Rockbox Manual Team" for all files with an unknown / unclear copyright holder |
| 12:16:21 | linuxstb | "The Rockbox Manual team" doesn't exist... |
| 12:16:33 | bluebrother | how should it get called otherwise? |
| 12:16:33 | tucoz | well. we could make one up :) |
| 12:16:36 | linuxstb | as in, there is no legal entity. (IANAL) |
| 12:16:51 | bluebrother | is this necessary? |
| 12:17:03 | tucoz | i see. so for the old stuff, it is either christ, peter and jose that are the copyright holders |
| 12:17:09 | bluebrother | We could also write "Rockbox Manual Contributors" which are listed in the file named in the header |
| 12:17:11 | tucoz | christi |
| 12:17:12 | linuxstb | IANAL :) But my feeling is that the (C) holder needs to exist... |
| 12:17:33 | linuxstb | Or "Rockbox Manual contributors". |
| 12:17:49 | tucoz | bluebrother, sounds good |
| 12:17:59 | linuxstb | i.e. don't capitalise the C. |
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| 12:18:28 | linuxstb | I seem to recall seeing the phrase "(C) the contributing authors". |
| 12:18:35 | tucoz | me too |
| 12:18:44 | tucoz | i think that is in the manual as well :) |
| 12:19:17 | linuxstb | The most important reason for having named people as the copyright holder is that they are the people who can enforce the license. |
| 12:19:55 | tucoz | yes. but there must legally be possible to have several people as the copyright holders |
| 12:19:59 | tucoz | for a single file |
| 12:20:16 | linuxstb | Of course. |
| 12:20:58 | linuxstb | I'm just thinking aloud... |
| 12:21:11 | tucoz | great, then we can use 'The contributing authors', and list those in docs/MANUAL-CREDITS |
| 12:21:23 | linuxstb | Maybe an email to the FSF would be worthwhile, explaining our situation. |
| 12:22:43 | tucoz | another issue is the copy from wiki -> paste in latex. This is mainly a problem for plugins, but it is a problem as the wiki content has no known license. |
| 12:24:09 | * | tucoz just found out that IANAL means something else than I am ANAL |
| 12:24:56 | tucoz | put in a being there as well |
| 12:26:32 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 12:26:53 | tucoz | in any case, i think we should decide on something real soon. we have started on this issue several times now, and not come up with anything we could use. |
| 12:27:16 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 12:27:48 | bluebrother | I guess Febs could help here but I haven't seen him here lately |
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| 12:28:27 | linuxstb | My suggestion would be a combination of using a name if that file is clearly the work of mostly one person (or maybe two people?), and a generic "contributing author" or "Rockbox Manual contributors" for files where assigning (C) to one particular person doesn't make sense. |
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| 12:29:50 | tucoz | here is the response and letter i got from fsf some time ago http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/9 |
| 12:30:35 | tucoz | this is not regarding copyright though |
| 12:31:16 | tucoz | man, time flies. That is almost 4 months ago |
| 12:32:18 | tucoz | i should have asked all questions back then |
| 12:32:39 | linuxstb | On a different subject, do either of you own ipods? I'm in need of people to review and improve the new IpodInstallationBeta wiki page, which is a revised set of install instructions for the ipods. |
| 12:32:51 | bluebrother | hmm. But I guess you still could come back to them ;-) |
| 12:33:00 | * | bluebrother does only own an h120 |
| 12:33:04 | * | tucoz too |
| 12:33:10 | linuxstb | I'm hoping that once that page is complete, it can be moved to the manual, and we can delete all the various wiki install pages. |
| 12:33:19 | tucoz | great :) |
| 12:34:06 | tucoz | Hi Brett, thanks for your reply ... |
| 12:34:11 | bluebrother | ok, I'm trying to build a list of all manual contributors. Should we list all committers too? |
| 12:34:16 | tucoz | (4 months later) |
| 12:34:45 | tucoz | All rockbox committers? |
| 12:34:47 | linuxstb | bluebrother: What do you mean by committers? Everyone that's committed things to the manual CVS? |
| 12:35:06 | bluebrother | yes. Current status here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/10 |
| 12:35:56 | bluebrother | as everyone who committed to the manual did at least some work |
| 12:36:16 | linuxstb | Some people may have committed other people's patches, or maybe only made technical changes, rather than content. |
| 12:36:26 | linuxstb | There's a difference between CREDITS and (C) holders... |
| 12:36:30 | tucoz | I think it's fair to say that those on that list are contributors |
| 12:36:48 | tucoz | I thought you meant all people with commit access :) |
| 12:37:15 | bluebrother | hmm. Should someone who committed anothers patch be added to a CREDITS file? |
| 12:37:24 | tucoz | we should add peter schlenker and jose garcia on that list as ell |
| 12:37:25 | bluebrother | as this is not a (c) notice iiuc |
| 12:37:27 | tucoz | i say no |
| 12:37:34 | tucoz | to your question |
| 12:37:41 | bluebrother | ok |
| 12:37:49 | tucoz | as that is no contribution of its own |
| 12:38:23 | linuxstb | I can't imagine that in reality there are many people (any?) in that category though... |
| 12:39:05 | bluebrother | ok, current (incomplete) list: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/11 |
| 12:39:10 | tucoz | i guess not. And if it is, i am pretty sure we have stolen stuff from the wiki with that persons copyright on it anyway |
| 12:39:35 | tucoz | Thom Johansen should be credited |
| 12:40:22 | tucoz | I think we can use that list. linuxstb should be credited as well, as he has written at least the ipod install instructions. And rasher also |
| 12:41:06 | tucoz | Dan wrote something as well, and should be credited |
| 12:41:32 | tucoz | barrywardell as well. he wrote the h10 stuff |
| 12:42:38 | bluebrother | right ... 14 people now. http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/12 |
| 12:42:54 | bluebrother | I really start to like this private pastebin thingy :) |
| 12:43:10 | tucoz | me too. it's so fast compared to other pastebins |
| 12:43:31 | tucoz | I think dan=safetydan, not sure though |
| 12:43:52 | bluebrother | we could simply change that list during the next days using the pastebin |
| 12:43:56 | tucoz | Yep |
| 12:44:10 | tucoz | Maybe we should ask people on the ml if they feel left out |
| 12:44:50 | tucoz | right. i credited andrew melville as well for some fixes he made |
| 12:44:58 | bluebrother | sounds like a good idea |
| 12:45:16 | tucoz | i added him to the list |
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| 12:49:01 | bluebrother | ok ... so for the images. Everyone can reproduce the screenshots, so we could simply call them GFDL, right? |
| 12:49:12 | tucoz | i think so |
| 12:49:40 | tucoz | I think the important thing is to have a license, although i wouldn't care if someone stole a screenshot i made ;) |
| 12:50:09 | bluebrother | ok, I think I'll add the gfdl as docs/COPYING-MANUAL then |
| 12:50:30 | bluebrother | if we happen to make some exception we could simply add it to the top of that file then |
| 12:50:45 | tucoz | great to have that settled |
| 12:51:02 | tucoz | what should we do about the wiki->manual issue? |
| 12:51:18 | tucoz | who has the credit on a plugin copied from the wiki? |
| 12:52:23 | bluebrother | hmm. Can we assume text in the wiki is public domain? |
| 12:52:54 | tucoz | i would certainly hope so, but i do not think we can. |
| 12:54:22 | bluebrother | ok, GFDL added |
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| 12:57:25 | tucoz | hi pixelma |
| 12:57:45 | pixelma | hi tucoz :) |
| 12:57:58 | tucoz | do you happen to have a sansa image? |
| 12:58:16 | pixelma | no I don't |
| 12:58:27 | tucoz | ah. then i remembered wrong |
| 12:58:46 | * | linuxstb makes another request for testers of the new ipod bootloaders and ipodpatcher - get the files from http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodinstallbeta-files.zip and use the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta and let me know if it works... |
| 12:59:39 | SUSaiyan | ack, another? |
| 12:59:55 | linuxstb | I want other people, not you again :) |
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| 13:00:00 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 13:00:08 | SUSaiyan | so its the same one? |
| 13:00:40 | linuxstb | I think the only change compared to the last version you tested is to fix some text so it doesn't go off the screen on the minis and nano. |
| 13:00:41 | pixelma | tucoz: Sandisk offers an eps on their own site - but that's huge (probably every single detail (and it shows the Sansa OS on the screen) - maybe it's worth editing it |
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| 13:00:51 | tucoz | they do? |
| 13:00:59 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 13:01:03 | tucoz | could we use that, you think? |
| 13:01:08 | SUSaiyan | i didnt notice any text going off screen :o |
| 13:01:35 | linuxstb | On the Nano, it was just one character on one line I think. The mini would have been more obvious. |
| 13:01:37 | pixelma | tucoz: not without some work I think - have to look it up |
| 13:01:43 | tucoz | ok |
| 13:01:49 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 13:02:13 | linuxstb | Taking an image from Sandisk's website sounds a bit dodgy though. |
| 13:02:28 | tucoz | it does |
| 13:02:53 | tucoz | unless it is gpl'ed or creative commons |
| 13:03:14 | tucoz | does it say under what license it is released? |
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| 13:05:57 | tucoz | yikes. 53MB |
| 13:06:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:06:42 | pixelma | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg59620#msg59620 |
| 13:06:53 | pixelma | seems to be legal |
| 13:07:01 | zylche | ! |
| 13:07:24 | linuxstb | But we're not members of the press or their partners... |
| 13:08:10 | tucoz | hehe. but rockbox is sortof a partner, as they initiated contact with us |
| 13:08:29 | linuxstb | If so, we should complain... |
| 13:08:30 | zylche | You are members of /a/ press... |
| 13:08:40 | zylche | trouser press mostly however |
| 13:09:10 | barrywardell | tucoz: we have permission to use this http://thesansa.com/forum/fronton.jpg |
| 13:09:31 | pixelma | hmm... I didn't download the eps so far (wonder why it's so big) maybe it's easier to draw a nice svg anyways |
| 13:09:53 | tucoz | barrywardell, great. unless pixelma decides something else :D |
| 13:10:50 | pixelma | could be a good basis for a vector drawing... :) |
| 13:11:01 | tucoz | pixelma, the .eps is only a photo of the image. not a vector drawing |
| 13:11:14 | * | n1s wonders what they call the button on the bottom of the wheel |
| 13:11:17 | pixelma | ah that explains it |
| 13:11:25 | tucoz | same as this |
| 13:11:26 | tucoz | http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/sansa/Sansae200_straight.jpg |
| 13:11:32 | tucoz | n1s, they call it submenu |
| 13:11:32 | barrywardell | that was done by Andre Smith from thesansa.com |
| 13:12:02 | tucoz | tiff (10MB) here. http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/sansa/Sansae200_straight.tif |
| 13:12:25 | n1s | so, the power button is the menu button and the strange one is "sub"menu, fun ;-) |
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| 13:12:50 | barrywardell | he said he could provide his original vector file if we wanted |
| 13:13:13 | tucoz | ok. nice. |
| 13:13:41 | tucoz | pixelma, do you want to make your own .svg, or do we go for the one on thesansa? |
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| 13:15:08 | pixelma | is there an svg - I only saw the link to a jpg |
| 13:15:31 | tucoz | there is, he can provide us with one if we want to |
| 13:16:19 | pixelma | cool - then we should use it of course :) |
| 13:16:34 | tucoz | great |
| 13:19:06 | barrywardell | pixelma: see the post by adscorp here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.330 |
| 13:19:26 | barrywardell | is a fireworks vector file ok? |
| 13:21:07 | pixelma | never heard of that format |
| 13:21:20 | tucoz | isn't that a macromedia format? |
| 13:21:47 | tucoz | i think they have a product called fireworks at least |
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| 13:22:41 | pixelma | just have to put a rockboxed screen on it :D |
| 13:22:47 | tucoz | yep |
| 13:23:46 | tucoz | maybe you can import fireworks with corel |
| 13:27:08 | pixelma | does anybody know the file-extension of a fireworks vector file? and/or seen the file? |
| 13:27:54 | tucoz | or maybe it is possible to export a fireworks file, to a more common format |
| 13:28:50 | tucoz | i just read that fireworks can save as .ai |
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| 13:31:24 | pixelma | that should work |
| 13:32:27 | barrywardell | so i'll send him a message and ask for a .ai version? |
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| 13:34:44 | tucoz | or corel, right? |
| 13:34:56 | tucoz | i think fireworks can handle several vector formats |
| 13:36:07 | pixelma | really neat would be to have them both - Corel can import .ai but you never know if the result is ok (it claims to be able to import macromedia freehand, too - though I never tried9 |
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| 13:36:51 | barrywardell | I PM'ed him on thesansa forums asking for .ai and Corel versions |
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| 13:37:23 | pixelma | thanks :) |
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| 13:42:35 | jba | hey guys I can't seem to find this in the ipod manual, is it possible to connect it to usb for charge only, and not go into mass storage mode? |
| 13:43:17 | linuxstb | Hold MENU as you insert the cable. |
| 13:43:37 | SUSaiyan | now why didnt i know that.. |
| 13:43:51 | jba | tried that, (learned it from gigabeat port) but the battery icon didn;t seem to indicate charging |
| 13:43:59 | linuxstb | You didn't read the FAQ? |
| 13:44:07 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 13:44:17 | SUSaiyan | maybe i did, but like 4 months ago :) |
| 13:44:36 | jba | i was more trying to find out if it actually worked for the ipod |
| 13:44:54 | jba | also with the ipod it needs to come on to charge with the power adapeter? |
| 13:45:10 | linuxstb | jba: It's possible that not all the ipods detect charging. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Although most people report that Rockbox charges very slowly via USB, and in some cases uses more power than it draws - resulting in a net discharge... |
| 13:45:27 | linuxstb | jba: Yes, that's an ipod feature - it needs to be on to charge. |
| 13:45:45 | jba | hmm, net descharge may have been what i was seeing |
| 13:45:46 | jba | thanks mate |
| 13:46:11 | jba | aah well i can live with it being on to charge from power adapter, but hopefully it will charge from usb at my office |
| 13:46:44 | linuxstb | I normally charge via USB, and let it reboot into disk mode to do it. |
| 13:46:54 | linuxstb | i.e. I never care about listening whilst charging. |
| 13:47:41 | jba | well it has all my music on it, till i the gigabeat port gets up to scratch |
| 13:47:45 | jba | then the mrs can have it |
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| 13:51:07 | preglow | doesn't sounds like that's too far away |
| 13:51:31 | * | linuxstb spots an ipod owner and potential tester |
| 13:51:44 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
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| 13:53:39 | preglow | what do you need tested? |
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| 13:54:07 | man_ | hi guys |
| 13:54:13 | linuxstb | The new ipodpatcher (which can edit the firmware partition directly - making ipod_fw obsolete) and the new bootloader release. |
| 13:54:40 | linuxstb | Download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) |
| 13:55:09 | linuxstb | (or compile tools/ipodpatcher yourself and use a CVS bootloader) |
| 13:55:35 | man_ | i just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5.0 but well i can't figure out how to play videos on it |
| 13:55:54 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 13:56:48 | linuxstb | But read the page carefully - that plugin is still being written. For now (and possibly for a long time), rebooting to the Apple firmware is the best way to play videos on the ipod video. |
| 13:56:55 | man_ | thanks |
| 13:57:07 | preglow | in a related matter, didn't slasheri say he'd done some visual changes to the ipod bootloader? |
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| 13:57:27 | linuxstb | He said he changed his version to white text on a black background. I did the same to CVS... |
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| 13:57:59 | perpleXa | is anyone currently working on a nano 2g version? |
| 13:58:01 | preglow | rightie |
| 13:58:21 | Slasheri | and i disabled backlight also, so screen stays blank until rockbox boots up :) but that depends on what people like |
| 13:58:37 | preglow | i don't see a reason for it to display or light up anything unless something goes wrong |
| 13:58:58 | preglow | but then, i have a nano and booting is really fast |
| 13:58:59 | linuxstb | I can't see the point in displaying anything if there's no backlight.. We could just write to the screen, and only do lcd_update() if there was an error. |
| 13:59:34 | linuxstb | (and yes, keep the backlight off until an error). |
| 13:59:50 | SUSaiyan | you know you can read the screen without the backlight on, right? |
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| 14:00:06 | linuxstb | I can't. |
| 14:00:16 | SUSaiyan | i can |
| 14:00:18 | Slasheri | hmm, on 5.5G i can |
| 14:00:33 | SUSaiyan | nano here |
| 14:00:53 | Slasheri | but the screen looks almost blank, unless there is plenty of light in the room |
| 14:01:09 | SUSaiyan | true, you need to look at it in a certain way |
| 14:01:37 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to have worked just fine, and that even without a sudo, which puzzles me a bit |
| 14:01:47 | linuxstb | :) |
| 14:02:02 | preglow | since i was writing straight to /dev/sdb |
| 14:02:14 | preglow | oh well, probably some ubuntu behind the scenes stuff |
| 14:02:18 | linuxstb | Check the groups you are in. In my Debian setup, removable disks are in the "floppy" group, which I'm a member of. |
| 14:02:24 | preglow | probably am |
| 14:02:42 | preglow | just puzzled me since i've always had to use sudo when using dd |
| 14:03:01 | preglow | but anywho, this is sweetness |
| 14:03:01 | linuxstb | Yes, me to. So that's a nice added safety feature for Unix users. |
| 14:03:14 | preglow | way easier installation |
| 14:03:30 | linuxstb | Can you try extracting the Apple firmware with "ipodpatcher /dev/XXX -rf apple_os.ipod" |
| 14:03:40 | preglow | sure |
| 14:03:49 | linuxstb | Then replace the Apple firmware completely with the Rockbox bootloader "-wf bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" |
| 14:03:58 | linuxstb | And put apple_os.ipod on your FAT32 partition. |
| 14:04:36 | man_ | linuxstb, is there a downloadlink for this mpegplayerplugin? |
| 14:04:46 | linuxstb | man_: It's already installed. |
| 14:05:02 | man_ | :o |
| 14:05:07 | SUSaiyan | does it support audio yet? |
| 14:05:16 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to work |
| 14:05:16 | linuxstb | No |
| 14:05:24 | linuxstb | You can boot the Apple firmware? |
| 14:05:27 | preglow | linuxstb: roloing retailos doesn't work too well |
| 14:05:30 | SUSaiyan | darn, ok |
| 14:05:50 | linuxstb | Try booting it via the bootloader. I know Rolo doesn't work - at least the COP is wrong. |
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| 14:06:17 | SUSaiyan | whats COP anyway? |
| 14:06:21 | linuxstb | (you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well) |
| 14:06:28 | preglow | so the bootloader can load it from file now? |
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| 14:06:41 | linuxstb | In theory... Works on my Photo but not on SUSaiyan's Nano. |
| 14:07:23 | linuxstb | SUSaiyan: co-processor. The ipod's CPU has two cores. |
| 14:07:36 | preglow | now, if i only get the presses to register |
| 14:07:46 | linuxstb | (you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well) |
| 14:08:04 | preglow | ahh, leet |
| 14:08:13 | preglow | not the most successful venture ever |
| 14:08:15 | preglow | it just reboots |
| 14:08:17 | SUSaiyan | ah, i knew it had 2 cores, but i didnt know COP meant co-processor :) |
| 14:08:28 | preglow | wot! |
| 14:08:29 | preglow | it just worked |
| 14:08:39 | JdGordon | pixelma: hey, thanks |
| 14:08:40 | SUSaiyan | it booted? |
| 14:08:44 | preglow | sure did |
| 14:08:49 | linuxstb | :) |
| 14:08:51 | preglow | first it tried, then rebooted |
| 14:08:52 | SUSaiyan | :o |
| 14:08:55 | preglow | then it tried again, and succeeded |
| 14:09:03 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you wanted to tesed the cue plugin? the one on the wiki is now very usable |
| 14:09:03 | SUSaiyan | just keeps on rebooting for me |
| 14:09:17 | preglow | trying again |
| 14:09:41 | preglow | looks like it's consistent |
| 14:09:54 | preglow | i just keep the hold switch on, and it works on its second attempt |
| 14:10:06 | SUSaiyan | so for you, it will boot apple os the second try? |
| 14:10:08 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Thanks. I'll give it a go later (doing non-Rockbox work now...) |
| 14:10:10 | preglow | i've probably got retailos version 1.0 |
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| 14:10:17 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 14:10:24 | SUSaiyan | ive got 1.2 ;) |
| 14:11:38 | preglow | haha |
| 14:11:42 | preglow | it did not enjoy usb much |
| 14:11:48 | preglow | total hang |
| 14:11:51 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 14:11:55 | SUSaiyan | what about music? |
| 14:12:11 | preglow | don't have any that retailos can see |
| 14:12:20 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 14:12:29 | linuxstb | preglow: Ah, so you probably don't have the "RSRC" image that Nano 1.2 and later have. |
| 14:12:56 | preglow | i don't |
| 14:13:49 | SUSaiyan | RSRC? |
| 14:14:04 | preglow | resource |
| 14:14:12 | preglow | it's got a truckload of nike bitmaps/sounds/etc |
| 14:14:14 | SUSaiyan | ah |
| 14:14:15 | preglow | for the nano/nike thing |
| 14:14:20 | SUSaiyan | that thing :) |
| 14:14:45 | SUSaiyan | i wonder if i could boot your apple_os.ipod |
| 14:14:52 | linuxstb | preglow: You can also stick a rockbox.ipod file directly there if you want (-wf rockbox.ipod) |
| 14:15:02 | preglow | hah, cool |
| 14:15:08 | SUSaiyan | :o |
| 14:15:21 | amiconn | brb |
| 14:15:22 | preglow | SUSaiyan: don't see a reason why it shouldn't work |
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| 14:15:40 | SUSaiyan | i do, i resized my firmware partition ;) |
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| 14:16:00 | preglow | that's definitely on my agenda too |
| 14:16:00 | linuxstb | That shouldn't make any difference... |
| 14:16:13 | preglow | wasting 80 megs is a bitch |
| 14:16:16 | SUSaiyan | well it needs the hibernation image from there doesnt it? |
| 14:16:23 | man_ | well, another problem is, when i start "doom" it keeps sayin' the basic wad is missing, so i put it in h:\.rockbox\games\doom\ but there is still an error |
| 14:16:30 | JdGordon | is anyone good at making the bitmap icons for file extensions in rocbox? |
| 14:16:36 | man_ | isn't it the right dir? |
| 14:16:41 | linuxstb | It doesn't _need_ the hibernation image. But there is a danger it will create one and overwrite the start of your FAT32 partition. |
| 14:16:41 | SUSaiyan | man_: its h:\games\etc |
| 14:16:53 | preglow | clever apple |
| 14:16:59 | SUSaiyan | linuxstb: thats what i was thinking :) |
| 14:17:14 | SUSaiyan | either way it doesnt matter, ive got backups :) |
| 14:17:16 | man_ | ok, thanks :) |
| 14:17:18 | linuxstb | A common IPL issue - as they used to use the unused space to create their ext3 partition. |
| 14:17:29 | SUSaiyan | hehe |
| 14:18:05 | SUSaiyan | id love to try |
| 14:18:06 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Should your cuesheet plugin work with any supported audio format? |
| 14:18:12 | JdGordon | yes |
| 14:18:47 | JdGordon | and it can be extended to bookmarkable type, as long as the chapters are relativly easy to parse |
| 14:19:09 | SUSaiyan | cuesheet? |
| 14:19:25 | JdGordon | cuesheet! |
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| 14:22:23 | preglow | what's up with the build table? |
| 14:22:35 | linuxstb | 64-bit warnings |
| 14:22:41 | JdGordon | hey amiconn, back to my q many huors ago about "filetype string bffer empty". do you know which define needs increasing? MAX_EXTTYPES and MAX_FILETYPES dont make any difference |
| 14:22:42 | linuxstb | (last set of Doom commits) |
| 14:23:14 | pixelma | jhMikeS's commit seems to have added some |
| 14:23:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: Neither. It's the buffer size that is overflowing, not the count of types or extensions |
| 14:23:51 | JdGordon | which buffer? |
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| 14:24:13 | amiconn | (and btw, the message should read "full" instead of "empty". That's a long-standing issue in the language file) |
| 14:24:44 | linuxstb | Is there a reason why it's not fixed? |
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| 14:27:39 | jhMikeS | pixelma: added some what (warnings?) and which one? ?? |
| 14:29:19 | pixelma | your 'mean' commit added 2 or 5 (depending on the build server) to the three 64-bit warnings caused by the last doom commit |
| 14:29:56 | jhMikeS | ah....mean was meant to be "meant" btw |
| 14:30:06 | pixelma | in playback.c |
| 14:32:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not sure. I never asked the original author why he used 'empty' instead of 'full' |
| 14:33:32 | amiconn | The filetypes code is another such 'black box' where I don't understand some things it does |
| 14:33:33 | JdGordon | he must have been in an oposites mood that day :p |
| 14:33:56 | amiconn | It's possibly just a wrong translation ('empty' meaning 'no space left' here) |
| 14:34:23 | JdGordon | yeah, proabbly |
| 14:34:25 | amiconn | The author is not a native english speaker |
| 14:35:13 | jhMikeS | seems pretty "random" on the warnings there |
| 14:37:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not random at all... |
| 14:37:58 | JdGordon | na, the warning makes sense after it has bee re translated.. |
| 14:38:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You're casting a pointer to an int, which is _bad_ |
| 14:38:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yeah, I know. The int to void * casting is the problem |
| 14:38:55 | amiconn | Both directions are bad |
| 14:39:18 | amiconn | You could use long (better, but not perfect), or intptr_t |
| 14:39:20 | JdGordon | hahaha, I thought you were talking about the error meesgae :p (Me obviously needs sleep) |
| 14:39:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I think I tried using intptr_t once and just got errors. I know that's preferrable. |
| 14:40:02 | linuxstb | Does Rockbox have intptr_t? |
| 14:40:03 | amiconn | It's just by chance that int and pointers have the same data size on 32 bit platforms |
| 14:40:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: It does |
| 14:40:36 | * | jhMikeS took his chances and felt funny about it |
| 14:40:59 | preglow | omfg! |
| 14:41:07 | preglow | that needs rectification |
| 14:41:20 | * | preglow has fixed too many ptr -> int casting bugs in other peoples software :/ |
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| 14:42:45 | JdGordon | anyone want to have a go at a nice icon for the .cue file extension? |
| 14:43:06 | jhMikeS | I don't think the particular use will have any actual problems but the warnings should go, yes |
| 14:44:46 | man_ | mh, is it possible to boot also the apple os without any bootloader on rockbox? |
| 14:45:10 | linuxstb | No |
| 14:45:24 | man_ | ok |
| 14:46:31 | joris | hi there, i looked at the Faq and it seems there is never going to be flac support for the archos jukebox, am i right? |
| 14:47:24 | jhMikeS | so longs are 64 bit on the 64 bit boxes? |
| 14:47:47 | amiconn | Flac *might* in fact be possible after wav and aiff will be added, but it's not very likely |
| 14:48:21 | joris | ok well let´s hope... |
| 14:48:25 | amiconn | It all depends on whether someone is able to code a very efficient rice decoder for the SH1 |
| 14:49:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: On AMD64, yes, that's why the platform is sometimes called 'lp64'. Not sure about the others |
| 14:49:44 | amiconn | *Iirc* someone mentioned that on Itanium it's different |
| 14:50:13 | jhMikeS | rrgg. is the intptr_t intrinsic or do I have to put one in inttype.h or something? |
| 14:50:42 | amiconn | (hmm, or was than Win64...) |
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| 15:02:17 | barrywardell_ | dan_a: any luck testing the new crt0 with your 3g? |
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| 15:07:41 | jhMikeS | guess I'll start off making intptr_t the same as a long, just see, hope for the best, make any corrections needed, and repeat with some other scheme :) |
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| 15:09:16 | man_ | linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox? |
| 15:09:18 | jhMikeS | any particular reason intXX_t is a #define and not a typedef? |
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| 15:13:15 | jhMikeS | LP64 and ILP64...mmmkay. guess we're doing the first one. |
| 15:15:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Just include inttypes.h . All those types are already defined |
| 15:16:08 | amiconn | ...and for the sims, it uses the os include |
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| 15:18:24 | jhMikeS | not intptr_t |
| 15:18:39 | jhMikeS | and uintptr_t |
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| 15:20:19 | jhMikeS | i'll just pop 'em in there |
| 15:23:04 | bluey- | anyone got an ipod_fw and diskdumper for intel macs? |
| 15:23:28 | DerPapst | get the new ipodpathcxer |
| 15:23:36 | linuxstb | bluey-: You can try the new version of ipodpatcher that replaces ipod_fw and diskdump (there's a Universal Binary available). |
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| 15:23:39 | DerPapst | it contains both... but better |
| 15:24:02 | linuxstb | Download this zip file http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip and try to follow the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in ipodrelease.zip) |
| 15:24:33 | bluey- | ahh ok just wanted to checkout the cvs and compile by hand |
| 15:24:34 | bluey- | thx |
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| 15:24:53 | DerPapst | linuxstb: you've prepared that text... |
| 15:24:57 | linuxstb | You could do that as well. But the new install method is much easier (and needs testing...) |
| 15:25:03 | | Part qwm |
| 15:25:14 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I just press UP until I find it in my history from the last time someone asked... |
| 15:25:17 | bluey- | can i replease the rockbox bootloader with the loader2 from the ipodlinux project? |
| 15:25:40 | DerPapst | yes but you ahve to use the scramble tool |
| 15:25:51 | DerPapst | omg.. i can't type anymore |
| 15:26:13 | DerPapst | bluey-: can you compile? |
| 15:26:19 | linuxstb | Yes, but for that you will need to compile one thing yourself - the tools/scramble tool. You then need to run ./scramble -add=XXXX loader.bin loader.ipod and use that loader.ipod file with the new ipodpatcher. (type ./scramble by itself to find out what XXXX you need for your ipod). |
| 15:27:08 | DerPapst | or get this one :) http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/loader.ipod |
| 15:27:14 | jhMikeS | I'll just try to get all of those warnings now then |
| 15:27:17 | DerPapst | wait... |
| 15:27:25 | DerPapst | with ipod version do you have? |
| 15:27:26 | linuxstb | Or try the newer version of the Rockbox bootloader. It now uses the hold switch to start the apple firmware instead of the unreliable MENU keypress. |
| 15:27:30 | DerPapst | *which |
| 15:27:32 | bluey- | well i compiled my own loader2 with bluey iPod in the title :D |
| 15:27:44 | DerPapst | ah.. ok |
| 15:28:00 | DerPapst | then you have to compile scramble yourself |
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| 15:28:34 | DerPapst | either use the code in cvs or this one: http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=32 |
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| 15:30:59 | bluey- | thanks the scrambe from the cvs was broken |
| 15:31:32 | DerPapst | i'm sure it's not but it is more difficult to compile |
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| 15:32:46 | linuxstb | You should just need to type "make scramble" in the tools directory. |
| 15:33:00 | bluey- | ehh used gcc scramble.c |
| 15:33:11 | linuxstb | It uses other .c files as well... |
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| 15:34:35 | MX-G | can anyone help me? |
| 15:35:52 | bluebrother | MX-G, depending on your problem, no |
| 15:36:04 | bluebrother | but possibly even yes, but that depends on your problem |
| 15:36:08 | man_ | linuxstb :p |
| 15:36:17 | bluebrother | and unless you tell us that nobody can help you ;-) |
| 15:36:22 | man_ | did you read my question :) |
| 15:36:35 | MX-G | o sorry :P |
| 15:36:40 | MX-G | spanish user :P |
| 15:36:40 | man_ | -15:10:10- <man_> linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox? << |
| 15:36:48 | jhMikeS | ahhh...intptr_t is in stddef.h. hehe |
| 15:36:49 | bluebrother | so just ask |
| 15:37:28 | MX-G | well, I installed Firmware 1.2.1 on my 80 gigs iPod, and I downloaded this unofficial installer BoardHwName: iPod M25 |
| 15:37:28 | MX-G | pszSerialNumber: XXXXXXXXXXX |
| 15:37:28 | MX-G | ModelNumStr: PA003 |
| 15:37:28 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK MX-G |
| 15:37:28 | MX-G | FirewireGuid: 0x000A27001486D670 |
| 15:37:28 | MX-G | HddFirmwareRev: BU011A |
| 15:37:30 | MX-G | RegionCode: LL(0x0001) |
| 15:37:32 | MX-G | PolicyFlags: 0x00000002 |
| 15:37:34 | MX-G | buildID: 0x06008000 (6.0) |
| 15:37:38 | MX-G | visibleBuildID: 0x01008000 (1.0) |
| 15:37:38 | DerPapst | ohh no |
| 15:37:40 | MX-G | boardHwRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) |
| 15:37:42 | MX-G | boardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x000B0005 (0.0.11 5) |
| 15:37:44 | MX-G | bootLoaderImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) |
| 15:37:44 | bluebrother | 80GB -> 5.5G? |
| 15:37:46 | MX-G | diskModeImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) |
| 15:37:48 | MX-G | diagImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) |
| 15:37:50 | MX-G | osImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0) |
| 15:37:52 | MX-G | iPodFamily: 0x00000000 |
| 15:37:54 | MX-G | updaterFamily: 0x00000000 |
| 15:37:56 | MX-G | ups :P |
| 15:38:00 | MX-G | http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/index.html |
| 15:38:01 | DerPapst | bluebrother: yes |
| 15:38:02 | MX-G | done :P |
| 15:38:02 | jhMikeS | wait, wtf...ok...screwing up royally here :) |
| 15:38:04 | MX-G | when, I'm trying to install it, i can't :< |
| 15:38:18 | bluebrother | MX-G, 5.5G isn't supported yet |
| 15:38:34 | MX-G | :< |
| 15:38:34 | DerPapst | 80GB ipods don't work yet |
| 15:38:41 | DerPapst | only the 30Gb 5.5G ipod |
| 15:38:57 | MX-G | when does it is going to work? |
| 15:39:10 | bluebrother | meep. Wrong question |
| 15:39:24 | linuxstb | When someone finds a solution, which is impossible to predict. Could be today, could be a year away. |
| 15:39:31 | bluebrother | as currently the cause why RB isn't running is unknown it's also unknown when it will work |
| 15:39:38 | MX-G | mmm |
| 15:40:01 | MX-G | what about linuxproject? |
| 15:40:15 | linuxstb | man_: No. |
| 15:40:28 | bluebrother | linuxproject? |
| 15:40:34 | DerPapst | iPodLinux |
| 15:40:36 | linuxstb | MX-G: No. |
| 15:40:36 | MX-G | ipod linux :P |
| 15:40:43 | MX-G | :< |
| 15:40:52 | DerPapst | even less progress |
| 15:40:58 | MX-G | well, thanks a lot for all the info :) |
| 15:41:12 | MX-G | cya ^^ |
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| 15:41:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:41:23 | * | linuxstb enjoyed that paste |
| 15:42:03 | * | bluebrother just notices that it mostly only contained 0's |
| 15:42:14 | * | DerPapst wonders why linuxstb enjoyed that. |
| 15:43:50 | bluey- | thanks guys worked well |
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| 15:46:44 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 15:47:27 | jhMikeS | well, we'll see how that goes |
| 15:48:20 | jhMikeS | hopefully no more yellow spots |
| 15:50:08 | linuxstb | bluey-: You successfully installed loader2 using the new ipodpatcher program? |
| 15:50:22 | bluey- | yes |
| 15:51:03 | linuxstb | On intel Mac? |
| 15:51:27 | bluey- | yep... using the scramble which DerPapst posted |
| 15:51:36 | * | linuxstb ticks another combination off the list |
| 15:53:16 | DerPapst | linuxstb: what combinations are missing? |
| 15:53:35 | DerPapst | *which |
| 15:58:19 | * | jhMikeS sees green again :) |
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| 16:00:48 | Terinjokes | ok, which developers are here? |
| 16:02:07 | * | jhMikeS never knows if he's here here or where he is :) |
| 16:02:24 | bluebrother | Terinjokes, try /who rockbox/* in your irc client |
| 16:02:27 | Terinjokes | ok, well then i'll wait :D |
| 16:02:42 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I haven't really got a list, but bluey- was the first Intel Mac OS X user. |
| 16:02:58 | linuxstb | bluey-: Did you compile ipodpatcher yourself, or use the binary in the zip file I linked you to? |
| 16:02:58 | DerPapst | aha ok :) |
| 16:03:02 | Terinjokes | ah, yes, i really need to get my mask back :D |
| 16:03:08 | bluey- | wow now i`m really proud :P |
| 16:03:24 | bluey- | i used the binary from the zip and the scramble from papst |
| 16:03:43 | linuxstb | OK, thanks. |
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| 16:04:05 | * | linuxstb is just waiting on Bagder to host the files on download.rockbox.org |
| 16:04:23 | Terinjokes | well, I've re-installed MacOSX, and decided to another have a try at compiling rockbox |
| 16:05:05 | DerPapst | i talked to someone who has a mac (don't know whether ppc or intel) and a restored 5.5G 30GB ipod. he had problems with the ipodpathcer binary. |
| 16:05:18 | DerPapst | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk1 |
| 16:05:19 | DerPapst | [INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes |
| 16:05:19 | DerPapst | [ERR] Bad boot sector signature |
| 16:05:48 | bluey- | could be hfs related if he restored it with macosx |
| 16:05:56 | Terinjokes | So, can anyone tell me what I need for (cross) compiling? |
| 16:06:06 | DerPapst | yes it's a hfs+ formatted ipod |
| 16:06:20 | bluey- | i`m on fat |
| 16:06:40 | DerPapst | hm... |
| 16:06:50 | Terinjokes | the ipod installation for MacOSX has nice instructions for changing it to fat |
| 16:07:09 | DerPapst | but ipodpathcer should work on hfs+ ipods too ar am i wrong? |
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| 16:07:32 | DerPapst | i know.. but he woanted to use iPL not rockbox |
| 16:07:38 | DerPapst | *wanted |
| 16:07:56 | Terinjokes | oh... well thats another story... |
| 16:08:10 | DerPapst | and the kernel can only work on hfs+ 5.5G ipods fine |
| 16:08:25 | DerPapst | otherwise you get problems with rootfs |
| 16:10:05 | Terinjokes | ok, i checked out the code... now what do i need for cross compiling? |
| 16:10:26 | DerPapst | what target? |
| 16:10:28 | DerPapst | ipods? |
| 16:10:35 | Terinjokes | ipod nanos |
| 16:10:45 | DerPapst | the arm-toolchain |
| 16:10:50 | Terinjokes | k |
| 16:11:30 | Terinjokes | did anyone else have problems with the rockboxdev.sh thing in tools/ or was that just me? |
| 16:14:27 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No, ipodpatcher only works with FAT32 ipods. |
| 16:14:33 | man_ | how i can see charging is accomplished? |
| 16:14:36 | DerPapst | o.O |
| 16:14:47 | DerPapst | that explains it -.- |
| 16:15:23 | DerPapst | can you make it working with hfs+ ipod too? |
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| 16:17:01 | cA1mAn | hello, how does battery life of iaudio compare with the original fw? (i'm hesitating to buy a iaudio or ipod... and seeing that the iaudio fw does not suit my needs, this would be a decisive point) |
| 16:17:47 | cA1mAn | is it possible that it will SURPASS the batt. life of the original fw? what about the iPod? thanks |
| 16:17:51 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Anything's possible... But it's not a priority. It would just require code to understand the Apple Partition Map instead of the DOS partition table. |
| 16:18:25 | linuxstb | cA1mAn: Rockbox is likely to surpass the original firmware on the iaudio (if it doesn't already). ipods are an unknown quantity due to the complete lack of hardware information. |
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| 16:19:05 | linuxstb | I would guess that currently Rockbox is at least equal to the iaudio firmware. On the ipods, it's significantly less. |
| 16:19:15 | linuxstb | ^battery life |
| 16:19:25 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i can get the partitiontable from an HFS+ 30GB 5.5G ipod if you want to. |
| 16:19:33 | cA1mAn | linuxstb: so if i'm going to install rockbox anyway, since i use linux, should i better go with the iaudio (also for the future, are the developpement of both the same speed) |
| 16:19:52 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Thanks, but I've got no real interest in HFS+ support. |
| 16:20:01 | linuxstb | The code's in CVS though... |
| 16:20:15 | DerPapst | :-/ ok |
| 16:21:11 | cA1mAn | and why does it say *Power handling: 10%* on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort, shouldn't this be updated then!? |
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| 16:22:54 | Terinjokes | lol, theres another bug in MacOSX... |
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| 16:23:50 | bluey- | which one |
| 16:24:10 | Terinjokes | the trash can won't empty... |
| 16:24:35 | bluey- | yeah guess its a crappy finder problem . one more.. |
| 16:24:38 | Terinjokes | like i empty it, and it makes the emptied noise, but everything is still there |
| 16:24:53 | Terinjokes | bluey: i though apple was going to update finder for leopard? |
| 16:25:22 | bluey- | dunno if the do but it is really recommended |
| 16:25:28 | bluey- | it really sucks. |
| 16:25:42 | Terinjokes | they've added an 'idiots finder' |
| 16:25:46 | bluey- | mostly the refresh problem is annoying as hell |
| 16:26:08 | Terinjokes | true, true |
| 16:26:47 | bluey- | mhh but i heared there will be zfs in leopard :P |
| 16:27:09 | Terinjokes | it is, just you can't install the OS on it (yet...) |
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| 16:28:38 | bluey- | well it isn`t out yet but it would be great feature. i`m wondering if timemashine will take advantage of it |
| 16:29:04 | Terinjokes | i haven't messed around with time machine yet... |
| 16:30:12 | bluey- | and how is leopard? |
| 16:30:33 | linuxstb | *cough* #rockbox *cough* |
| 16:30:46 | Terinjokes | linux, its all UNIX :D |
| 16:31:09 | linuxstb | Yes, but still nothing to do with Rockbox... |
| 16:31:58 | daurnimator | lunix! |
| 16:32:15 | Terinjokes | no, no... its luser that crashed the internet :D |
| 16:32:33 | daurnimator | rockybox killed da radio star |
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| 16:32:52 | Terinjokes | anywho i'm compiling the gcc stuff for cross compiling now |
| 16:37:35 | Terinjokes | how did rockybox kill da radio star? |
| 16:39:25 | BiptoN | ca1man: i have had rockbox on my iaudio x5 since june, I listen to it daily from 730 am to 430pm, I have it last as long as 600pm with no lunch break in the day |
| 16:39:44 | daurnimator | Terinjokes: with a roundhouse kick |
| 16:39:57 | BiptoN | ca1man: 90% of my music are ogg encoded at -q 10 or 6 |
| 16:40:29 | Terinjokes | daurnimator, no that what restore an old mans eyesight |
| 16:40:30 | cA1mAn | BiptoN: does this mean battery life lasts longer than with original fw? |
| 16:40:42 | BiptoN | ca1man:yes |
| 16:41:02 | BiptoN | caiman: but as the name states ROCKBOX ROCKS! |
| 16:41:17 | BiptoN | it was easy to give up some little features to run RB |
| 16:41:34 | Terinjokes | BiptoN, what if people like rap, or R&B, or maybe country, thats kinda mean... |
| 16:41:59 | BiptoN | still when the battery was good 10+ hours on RB was pretty snazzy, playin oggs all day |
| 16:42:01 | BiptoN | well |
| 16:42:12 | BiptoN | i can only comment on what i've experienced it do ;) |
| 16:42:32 | BiptoN | io do have some sissy lala and classical mixed with metal |
| 16:42:35 | BiptoN | lol |
| 16:42:36 | Terinjokes | ditto, except i only listen for maybe 30minutes aday |
| 16:42:41 | cA1mAn | BiptoN: what features are you missing then? |
| 16:42:59 | Terinjokes | bipton, your probably the one who scrobbles all that metal on last.fm |
| 16:43:19 | cA1mAn | btw does RB support jpg album art ? now that would be great |
| 16:43:26 | cA1mAn | on iaudio |
| 16:43:46 | Terinjokes | no album art |
| 16:44:05 | man_ | bye |
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| 16:44:52 | BiptoN | they have a patch for it in flyspray i believe |
| 16:45:05 | cA1mAn | also for jpg? |
| 16:45:15 | Terinjokes | no, bmp |
| 16:45:18 | cA1mAn | because last time i checked it was only bmp :-( |
| 16:45:24 | Terinjokes | as wpd only supports bmp |
| 16:45:28 | Terinjokes | wps* |
| 16:45:39 | cA1mAn | is there hope for it to support jpg one day? |
| 16:45:55 | Terinjokes | hopefully |
| 16:45:57 | bluebrother | it's more because decoding it on the target needs more time (->battery) and can easily be done in advantage |
| 16:46:41 | BiptoN | ca1man: missin video and usbtogo |
| 16:46:43 | Terinjokes | personally i could care less about battery, i listen for 30 minutes a day... but i understand others :D |
| 16:46:55 | Terinjokes | yeah, disk mode sucks! |
| 16:47:19 | bluebrother | I need my player for several hours a day ... |
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| 16:47:29 | cA1mAn | BiptoN: doe voice recordning work? |
| 16:47:41 | BiptoN | ca1man: neither one i have no concern for on my "music" player, boot time is wayyyy quick with rb instead of stock firmware also |
| 16:47:43 | BiptoN | yep |
| 16:47:51 | BiptoN | voice is a go |
| 16:47:52 | cA1mAn | Terinjokes: battery life is the most important aspect :-) |
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| 16:47:56 | BiptoN | radio works |
| 16:48:09 | Linas5 | good morning |
| 16:48:20 | BiptoN | last time i used fm recording it didn't work so well ,that was a few months ago though |
| 16:48:30 | cA1mAn | is the developpement of RB for iAudio still active? |
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| 16:48:38 | BiptoN | yup |
| 16:48:48 | BiptoN | seems like they're all over it |
| 16:48:50 | Linas5 | anyone in the mood to answer a really stupid question for me |
| 16:48:51 | Linas5 | =/ |
| 16:48:52 | cA1mAn | but not as active as for ipod i guess |
| 16:49:12 | BiptoN | i think the ipods kicked into higher gear since the 5.5 release |
| 16:49:26 | BiptoN | the folks here would know better than me |
| 16:49:44 | Linas5 | what does rockbox have over the cowon firmware that would make me want to choose it? |
| 16:50:05 | cA1mAn | Linas5: a lot like gapless playback, id3 tag browsing |
| 16:50:14 | cA1mAn | that were the main points for ME |
| 16:50:20 | cA1mAn | or would be :-) |
| 16:50:23 | spug | last.fm support |
| 16:50:25 | bluebrother | Linas5, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 16:51:14 | Linas5 | thanks |
| 16:51:24 | BiptoN | alot more codecs linas5 |
| 16:51:27 | Linas5 | couldnt find the list of stuffs |
| 16:51:38 | BiptoN | recording to wav, wavpack, and mp3 |
| 16:51:40 | Linas5 | cool |
| 16:51:43 | cA1mAn | when will the battery life for the ipod be last as long as with the original firware; is there any approx. info for this? |
| 16:51:43 | bluebrother | that page is linked on the frontpage ... |
| 16:51:58 | Linas5 | well im just blind/stupid/stuff bluebrother =P |
| 16:51:59 | Terinjokes | there has to optimasations |
| 16:52:07 | BiptoN | plays flac compressed with -8 option |
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| 16:53:43 | * | Terinjokes wonders if there is a zunelinux project |
| 16:54:04 | BiptoN | LOL |
| 16:54:11 | BiptoN | i wondered that myself |
| 16:54:30 | Terinjokes | i googled but nothing came up |
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| 17:01:49 | * | Cassandra shrugs. Zune is another Microsoft Bob. |
| 17:02:04 | Cassandra | I predict it'll sink without trace within a year. |
| 17:02:09 | Terinjokes | they had linux on bob... right? |
| 17:02:52 | Cassandra | It doesn't offer anything that Apple/iTunes can't offer (that people actually want). So there's no real reason for its target market to switch. |
| 17:03:10 | Cassandra | Plus a seperate marketplace means tune availability will be less. |
| 17:03:43 | n1s | but they have enogh money to pump in to keep it afloat. |
| 17:03:46 | Cassandra | Which will also put the target market off. Especially those who already have DRMed music. |
| 17:04:16 | Cassandra | This is true, but the question is what reason would they have to do so. |
| 17:04:20 | n1s | Yes, that's one of the stupidest things with drm, the friggin locins |
| 17:04:48 | Terinjokes | Cassandra, as a mac user I don't understand why, but people hate itunes for some reason |
| 17:04:59 | Cassandra | Frankly, if they'd said "no DRM" they might've stood a chance. |
| 17:05:13 | n1s | maybe they will try to do what they did with the xbox |
| 17:05:39 | Cassandra | They're big enough to get the record companies on board, and the current climate in the music industry is moving away from DRM anyway. |
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| 17:06:06 | Terinjokes | what sony to move away from DRM? |
| 17:06:16 | Cassandra | And then they would have had a clear market advantage over MS. |
| 17:06:27 | Cassandra | Sony will probably be the last ones to go. |
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| 17:07:07 | n1s | IMO a drm implementation isn't good until it doesn't get in the way when you want to do perfectly legal stuff, or locks you in to a certain type of player/oftware/whatever. |
| 17:07:24 | Cassandra | It's not happening yet, but over the next couple of years I expect more and more record companies to release DRM free music. |
| 17:07:42 | * | n1s hopes Cassandra is right |
| 17:07:50 | Cassandra | n1s, best DRM implementation I've seen - Valve's Steam. |
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| 17:09:02 | Cassandra | Pretty much user transparent, and just works. More importantly it allows me to do anything I would want to do with my software that I've bought (re-install it on a new machine, play on any PC I have access to). |
| 17:09:11 | BiptoN | steam is a pretty awsome ssytem they have developed |
| 17:09:34 | Cassandra | Obviously this can't work for music, because music needs to be playable on a CD player too, but ... |
| 17:10:11 | Cassandra | DRM isn't inherently evil, just DRM that takes away fair use rights. |
| 17:10:28 | n1s | I don't play games anymore so I haven't dealt with steam, but it sure sounds pretty nice, also the portability of a pc game isn't very important, users don't expect to play it in the car cd player :-) |
| 17:10:30 | Terinjokes | LOL, i laugh at sony, i have a couple cds made by sony, i put it in my computer, and see directories full of exes and dlls, i find a readme file, I open it and its like "to play this cd in windows, please install the sony cd player. You can not listen to this cd in other applications. To listen to tracks on mp3 players, please use the send to mp3 button in the sony player. Your mp3 device must support DRM. iPods not support." then i |
| 17:10:30 | Terinjokes | "Macintosh users may continue to listen normally, and are not required to install anything" |
| 17:10:51 | Cassandra | Unfortunately in the case of music, it's pretty much impossible not to do the latter so all music DRM is of the evil type. |
| 17:11:37 | Cassandra | Terinjokes, so only PC users are pirates, eh? |
| 17:11:49 | Terinjokes | i guess... |
| 17:11:54 | Cassandra | I think the RIAA and co have devalued the word pirate. |
| 17:12:24 | Cassandra | I propose from now on we call them "music paedophiles". Much more shocking, and just as descriptively accurate. |
| 17:12:37 | n1s | yes, where's all the swashbucklin' (or whatever they call it)? |
| 17:12:50 | n1s | and the cannons :-) |
| 17:13:49 | PaulPosition | Barrywardell - So, how are things going on the Sansa and H10 front? I guess I could go and read the Sansa thread, so forget that one, but how about the H10..? Found out why it'd need both new-Loader and new-RB? Have you guys decided on a name for the OF.bin/Original.mi4/...? |
| 17:13:55 | * | Terinjokes grabs his swore, arr mateys |
| 17:14:11 | PaulPosition | Or "were you enjoying your weekend before I came in barging with stupid questions"? |
| 17:15:01 | Terinjokes | yeah, my weekend is doing great, was raining here yesterday. That kinda sucked. Should probably head to the beach today, nice and sunny |
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| 17:15:31 | TouS | ello :) |
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| 17:15:48 | Arathis | PaulPosition: good questions. there was much discussion on the channel the last days about these things, but I can't tell you what came out :/ |
| 17:16:00 | * | Arathis wants to know it himself .. |
| 17:16:03 | PaulPosition | barry - hehe... |
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| 17:16:07 | * | Cassandra wonders if we could have International Talk Like an Intellectual Propety Law Violater Day. Everyone could sp33k l337. |
| 17:16:10 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: nothing has really changed there. still calling it OF.bin for now. |
| 17:16:35 | barrywardell | waiting for dan_a to test the new crt0 on his 3g ipod |
| 17:16:41 | TouS | is it ok to ask/talk about suppostish stuff here? :) |
| 17:16:42 | barrywardell | and then I will commit the changes |
| 17:16:49 | TouS | supportish* |
| 17:16:53 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - Anything else changes in there? Ah, I guess that gave me part of an answer :) |
| 17:17:58 | barrywardell | we have a working (kind of) scrollwheel on the Sansa |
| 17:18:38 | * | DerPapst knows for a fact that 1337 sp33k is very evil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1cyNigny8 ;) |
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| 17:18:55 | TouS | I installed a theme last night for my 5g ipod with rockbox latest build and now the pc wont picup my ipod, diskmode/apple OS neither connect, anyone know why that might happen, or a way to fix? |
| 17:18:57 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - cool :) I guess it won't be adaptable to the h10 pad though (isn't the sansa wheel kind of going click-click-click like a mouse wheel for example?) |
| 17:19:09 | dan_a | barrywardell: My better half keeps forgetting to give me my charger back. I'll test it ASAP! |
| 17:19:09 | barrywardell | no, not adaptable |
| 17:19:22 | Terinjokes | TouS, try another computer? |
| 17:19:26 | barrywardell | dan_a: thanks |
| 17:19:59 | PaulPosition | TouS - Tried rebooting the PC? Sometimes when I connected and disconnected my DAP too often, it wont get recognised... |
| 17:20:06 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: i'm working on updating the recording patch. it's fairly complicated though |
| 17:20:37 | TouS | I dont have another PC :(, no harm in trying a reboot tho I guess |
| 17:20:39 | barrywardell | and I don't fully understand the recording system in Rockbox yet |
| 17:20:44 | TouS | I will come back in a few |
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| 17:20:58 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - judging from all the flyspray entries about recording, I'd say your being gentle calling it 'fairly complicated'.. :p |
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| 17:23:24 | barrywardell | i has been improving recently. it's much easier to follow now than it was before |
| 17:23:27 | Terinjokes | gtg |
| 17:23:39 | TouS | haha rebooting worked, Im sorry for panicking ;( |
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| 17:24:11 | PaulPosition | Tous - No problem, dude. It works, then that's good. |
| 17:25:47 | TouS | Can I ask one more Q? its about Idoom, but u guys prolly know, if I download an Idoom pck of games(legal ones) I just need to steal them wads to make it work in Rockdoom right? :) |
| 17:26:04 | TouS | shove em in Addons? |
| 17:33:22 | PaulPosition | TouS - Sorry, I haven't tried playing doom. Manual should be pretty straightforward. |
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| 17:38:16 | daurnimator | oh well, i gtg, nigiht all |
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| 17:47:04 | TouS | ok well thnx again :) bye |
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| 17:57:43 | Gnelik | Hi! |
| 17:59:08 | relaxed | hello |
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| 18:02:25 | BHSPitMonkey | hey guys |
| 18:02:51 | DerPapst | heh ^^ |
| 18:03:11 | n1s | If I were to include the often requested : and ; in the default keyboard, does anyone have an opinion on where to put them? (in the keyboard) |
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| 18:27:43 | Elara | I have a random question regarding creating playlists. Can you create a playlist on your computer, the way you can a *.cfg file, and then transfer it over to your Ipod, or do you have to add each song as you play it on your Ipod, and then save the resultant playlist that you created? Any help appreciated.:-) |
| 18:28:32 | BetaCookies | What is the best way to charge my iPod nano running rockbox? |
| 18:28:40 | zylche | quickly? |
| 18:28:47 | n1s | Elara: yes you can, standard m3u files are supported by rockbox, best is if they are utf8 encoded. |
| 18:29:19 | DerPapst | BetaCookies: the wall charger |
| 18:29:39 | BetaCookies | I don't have a wall charger, only a USB cord. o.o |
| 18:29:44 | * | zylche needs to pickup a ipod charger... |
| 18:30:06 | BetaCookies | zylche no time requirement, just I don't know how to charge it because it doesn't get charged on my dock because it isn't in disk mode |
| 18:30:09 | Elara | Thanks n1s! |
| 18:30:29 | zylche | cheap ass dock! |
| 18:30:31 | * | zylche kicks it |
| 18:30:45 | BetaCookies | meh |
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| 18:31:36 | BetaCookies | zylche http://tinyurl.com/5pzhd wasn't cheap :P |
| 18:33:37 | Linas5 | lol |
| 18:33:40 | Linas5 | but it is bose... |
| 18:39:16 | BetaCookies | true |
| 18:39:17 | BetaCookies | but still |
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| 18:48:04 | DerPapst | is this bose thingy not something like a better wall charger? |
| 18:48:43 | BetaCookies | well it is like one |
| 18:49:01 | DerPapst | so can't your charge your iPod with it? |
| 18:49:04 | BetaCookies | but I thought that when rockbox is running, it can only draw 1/5 the power the apple firmware can.. |
| 18:49:11 | BetaCookies | so it takes a LOT longer |
| 18:49:28 | BetaCookies | and I still don't really know if it is charging, because I'm not sure how decent the power bar is. |
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| 18:50:34 | DerPapst | i think there is somewere a menu that shows the accu status |
| 18:51:24 | BetaCookies | well i dont know where it is |
| 18:51:56 | DerPapst | me either... only tried rockbox on my 3G for about 30min ;) |
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| 18:54:12 | linuxstb_ | BetaCookies: Why don't you just put your ipod into diskmode, or start the main Apple firmware? |
| 18:54:38 | BetaCookies | how do I start the main apple firmware? :P |
| 18:54:53 | BetaCookies | ohh |
| 18:54:54 | BetaCookies | menu |
| 18:54:59 | BetaCookies | on startip |
| 18:55:24 | BetaCookies | okay nevermind :P it works now |
| 18:55:55 | DerPapst | heh.. i thoght you wanted to stay in rb ^^ |
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| 18:56:10 | BetaCookies | heh dont need to |
| 18:56:23 | BetaCookies | i dont have my music in the original firmware though |
| 18:56:50 | BetaCookies | there should be a way to make a symlink to the music dir :\ |
| 18:57:28 | BetaCookies | well i'm gonna go copy my music, get itunes, and i'm removing rockbox. i dont relaly see any advantages :| |
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| 18:58:28 | PaulPosition | betacookies - to each his own. Feel free to come back and see how progress has been when ever you want. :p |
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| 18:59:06 | BetaCookies | okay well thats too much work. |
| 18:59:09 | BetaCookies | i'll just leave it on |
| 18:59:11 | BetaCookies | lol |
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| 19:02:10 | dan_a | Hi all. I think that the GPIO interrupt on the Sansa is different to the iPod and the H10. Is there any way I can work out what it is now without reading the disassembly for the original firmware? |
| 19:03:28 | Juice^ | hi, i just tried the cvs build for sansa e200.. and i cant figure how to switch back to the normal firmware booting :p |
| 19:03:43 | PaulPosition | I really should learn how to check out cvs code only for the files that updated or that I modified (ie, create a clean, up to date cvs from a dirty, somewhat aged source install).. cvs 'up' wouldn't touch what I modified, right? |
| 19:03:46 | Juice^ | i looks promising |
| 19:04:30 | PaulPosition | Juice - You might need the original firmware file renamed and/or decrypted or something if it's anything like the H10... |
| 19:05:09 | dan_a | Juice^: You need the mi4 file for your original firmware. Then go into the emergency recovery mode (by turning the Sansa on with hold on and record pressed) and just copy the .mi4 file across. |
| 19:05:46 | Juice^ | I tried that, but it just booted up rockbox, but i'll give it a try again |
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| 19:07:40 | dan_a | Juice^: When you disconnect the USB (by doing something like "safely remove hardware" in Windows) it will tell you it's upgrading the firmware. |
| 19:08:10 | Juice^ | seems to be working now |
| 19:08:14 | barrywardell | PaulPosition: if you do cvs up -C it will overwrite all modified files with the latest cvs version |
| 19:08:22 | Juice^ | thanks :) |
| 19:09:27 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - Now that's something! Thanks a lot. I don't care much about *my* bandwidth but I was beginning to think I was gonna cost the rb project its shirt. |
| 19:09:58 | spug | how can I charge my H320 with a USB cable? |
| 19:10:05 | spug | someone said to hold Rec while inserting |
| 19:10:13 | Llorean | And did you try that? |
| 19:10:17 | spug | of course |
| 19:10:22 | spug | it doesn't seem to charge then, but not to go into UMS mode either |
| 19:10:40 | spug | but some weird icon of a light bulb or something appears beside the battery meter |
| 19:10:49 | Llorean | Like.. an electrical plug? |
| 19:10:56 | spug | no |
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| 19:11:06 | spug | not like the plug that appears with the charger, at least |
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| 19:11:33 | Llorean | Well, I'm not sure if it uses the same icon or not, as all devices I have only have one method of charging. |
| 19:11:49 | spug | mhm |
| 19:11:58 | spug | the battery meter doesn't seem to imply either though |
| 19:12:06 | spug | but maybe that's removed from the build or something |
| 19:12:06 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I've tried updating the recording patch. I can't get it to work though. It stays at 0:00 when I start recording and the peak meter stays at whatever value it has when entering the recording screen. here's where I'm at at the moment: barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff |
| 19:12:33 | barrywardell | I'm having difficulty understanding the recording code, so any tips are welcome |
| 19:12:47 | spug | when removing the USB cable, the icon changes into the plug for a split second before disappearing |
| 19:13:34 | Llorean | spug: Why not actually see if the power goes up or down then? |
| 19:14:29 | spug | good idea! |
| 19:14:53 | spug | just checking if someone knew of a different USB mode or something that the manual doesn't say anything about |
| 19:14:57 | spug | but i'll try that |
| 19:15:32 | * | Llorean wonders why we'd leave it out of the manual. |
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| 19:16:30 | webguest60 | yo, does the new rockbox work on the newer 80gb ipod video? |
| 19:16:40 | DerPapst | no |
| 19:16:49 | webguest60 | shit |
| 19:16:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: My first suggestion would be to make sure the FIQ handler is being called. I would create a new (global) variable called something like fiq_count, increment it in the fiq handler, and display it in the recording screen. |
| 19:16:51 | DerPapst | only 5.5G 30GB |
| 19:17:12 | Juice^ | dan_a: just copy over the mi4 rom, and unplug the usb cable right? |
| 19:17:26 | webguest60 | wil it eventually be cracked? |
| 19:17:50 | linuxstb | No-one can say... |
| 19:17:57 | webguest60 | k |
| 19:18:14 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i did put a logf() at the start of fiq_record() and it seemed to get called quite a few times |
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| 19:20:12 | SUSaiyan | O_o |
| 19:20:19 | SUSaiyan | that was random |
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| 19:20:35 | Juice^ | dan_a: nevermind, got it working now |
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| 19:21:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: If the FIQ is being repeated called, then it would seem all the audio codec/PortalPlayer setup has been done right, so I'm not sure where to look... I would suggest asking jhMikeS. |
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| 19:24:09 | Kasperle | is it normal for rockbox to only stop playing around 2-4 seconds after pressing the play/pause button on iPods? |
| 19:24:52 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok, thanks. i'll ask him about it |
| 19:25:00 | * | jhMikeS watches |
| 19:25:25 | linuxstb | Kasperle: As Apple didn't build a stop button, a long press on PLAY is mapped stop. So yes, a delay is expected. |
| 19:26:00 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: fiq_record()? a new function. is the code available? |
| 19:26:38 | SUSaiyan | huh? why is there even a need for a stop button |
| 19:27:13 | Kasperle | linuxstb: but i meant a short press of that button. then rockbox switches to "pause" after a while. if i hold the play/pause button down, rockbox will return to the file browser after roughly the same time |
| 19:27:40 | SUSaiyan | indeed, it seems to lag a bit sometimes |
| 19:27:41 | * | jhMikeS dropped by his IRC client for a sec and is eagerly awaiting more information... :) |
| 19:27:53 | PaulPosition | Kasperle - You using fade-in fade out on pause maybe? |
| 19:28:24 | PaulPosition | Oh right, it doesn't exist... |
| 19:28:28 | PaulPosition | Gotta stop dirnking. |
| 19:28:38 | * | PaulPosition shuts up |
| 19:28:51 | jhMikeS | dirnking...heh |
| 19:29:46 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: did you leave? I just got here and saw the conversion and now you've vanished and you were going to ask me something? ?? |
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| 19:31:50 | TFGBD | Windows CE! |
| 19:32:21 | SUSaiyan | more random stuff? |
| 19:32:42 | TFGBD | Aye. |
| 19:32:59 | SUSaiyan | i wonder if windows ce would run on an ipod |
| 19:33:37 | TFGBD | If ported, yes. |
| 19:33:49 | TFGBD | They have some kind of ARM processor...yes? |
| 19:34:06 | SUSaiyan | dual core ARM7 ;) |
| 19:34:10 | TFGBD | CE could run on the PSP too, if someone went to the effort of porting it. |
| 19:34:14 | Kasperle | but it lacks an mmu, doesn't it? |
| 19:34:18 | DerPapst | i don't think it will work. |
| 19:34:19 | TFGBD | It supports ARM, MIPS SH3/SH4, and x86 |
| 19:34:22 | Soap | porting w/o source is kinda hard. |
| 19:34:24 | TFGBD | I guess not then. |
| 19:34:45 | TFGBD | Well, you get the kernel source and source for most of the drivers in CE. |
| 19:34:46 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: sorry. i was away for a minute |
| 19:34:58 | jhMikeS | np |
| 19:34:59 | Kasperle | and quite likely an mmu |
| 19:35:08 | TFGBD | Yeah, CE needs MMU, I think. |
| 19:35:22 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: what do you need to know about the recording code? I'll check out the diff too. |
| 19:35:28 | n1s | anybody up for testing a patch? (not the disk poweroff ;-)) |
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| 19:35:30 | barrywardell | i've been trying to update FS #6096 |
| 19:35:59 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/pp_record_20061217.diff |
| 19:36:10 | barrywardell | that's my attempt at an updated verwion |
| 19:36:30 | jhMikeS | got it |
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| 19:37:50 | PaulPosition | n1s - what target / what does it do ? |
| 19:37:53 | jhMikeS | I don't see a pcm_rec_dma_start, pcm_rec_dma_stop, pcm_init_recording or pcm_close_recording. Those are required by the interface even if they're empty |
| 19:38:31 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: I missed a couple of files |
| 19:38:42 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 19:38:47 | n1s | PaulPosition: any bitmap target, adds colon and semicolon to the default keyboard and removes some unneccesary stuff from archos build. |
| 19:39:08 | barrywardell | i've uploaded an updated patch |
| 19:39:24 | jhMikeS | same url? |
| 19:39:27 | barrywardell | yup |
| 19:39:44 | barrywardell | it's mainly the stuff in pcm-pp.c that i'm unsure about |
| 19:40:02 | TFGBD | Anyway.. I meantion Windows CE because a port of the Win32 rockbox simulator would be quite interesting on devices like the Zune, other Portable Media Centers, Pocket PCs, etc. |
| 19:40:14 | TFGBD | mention* |
| 19:40:24 | jhMikeS | probably shouldn't be peak calculation in fiq_record though |
| 19:40:41 | TFGBD | I just wish I had the skill in C programming to port something like that... |
| 19:40:42 | n1s | if anyone wants to test it, feel free http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/keyboard.diff |
| 19:41:13 | n1s | TFGBD: now why would you want to run rhe _sim_ on the zune? |
| 19:41:47 | TFGBD | rhe _sim_= the simulator for win32/linux |
| 19:41:48 | TFGBD | ? |
| 19:41:59 | n1s | the sim |
| 19:42:05 | n1s | yes |
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| 19:42:21 | jhMikeS | I don't see fiq_record calling the registered callback |
| 19:42:38 | TFGBD | Why not? Its should be much easier than porting the whole thing...and it would still allow use of the built in functions. |
| 19:42:48 | barrywardell | could that cause it to stay at 0:00 elapsed? |
| 19:42:52 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 19:42:57 | TFGBD | And this app of yours seems like it would be quite interesting on Pocket PCs, etc too. |
| 19:43:09 | jhMikeS | look at pcm-coldfire.c and the pcm_rec_* functions and DMA1 |
| 19:43:22 | TFGBD | Much more userful on a portable computer than a win32 desktop/laptop. :P |
| 19:43:36 | TFGBD | useful* |
| 19:43:56 | barrywardell | the more_ready()? |
| 19:44:16 | jhMikeS | how it calls it, yes |
| 19:44:27 | n1s | TFGBD: I would imagine that you would have to make some very drastic changes to rockbox to make it run/work well on top of win ce and keep most functionality |
| 19:44:28 | jhMikeS | DMA1 = fiq_record in effect |
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| 19:45:44 | PaulPosition | n1s - compiling a build with your patch now... Anything to look for? And (somewhat related) wouldn't the file renamer need to check and disallow them colons and semi's ? |
| 19:46:15 | FranzBlattler | someone can explain, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files? |
| 19:46:22 | PaulPosition | Oh... I guess it already checks on filenames.. nvm |
| 19:46:22 | TFGBD | Like what? |
| 19:46:31 | TFGBD | It uses a lot of Win32 only apis |
| 19:46:31 | TFGBD | ? |
| 19:46:42 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: ok, i'll try adding that now. |
| 19:46:59 | n1s | PaulPosition: there is a patch by rasher for checking that, which imo should be committed, but the renaming already allowed some illegal chars... |
| 19:47:01 | TFGBD | It must be somewhat cross platform if it can run on linux and win32...yes? |
| 19:47:42 | TFGBD | Doesn't it use SDL for most functionality? |
| 19:48:43 | n1s | TFGBD: it uses SDL so if you keep that, you'll have an extra layer on top of the os and rockbox wouldn't integrate very nicely if you just slap the sim on there, and there are lots of stuff that isn't implemented in the sim either. |
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| 19:49:41 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: does pcm_callback_more_ready = NULL not make the callback do nothing anyway? |
| 19:49:45 | TFGBD | Still.. good enough... Better than nothing. ;P |
| 19:49:53 | TFGBD | CE has SDL, though. |
| 19:50:02 | TFGBD | What does not work in the SIM? |
| 19:50:09 | * | FranzBlattler need help |
| 19:50:43 | n1s | sure, if someone makes a rockbox application that runs on ce I'm sure it could be made very nice, but I don't think it will be easy. |
| 19:50:59 | n1s | and does the zune allow other apps to run? |
| 19:51:00 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: if the callback is NULL, it records the specified amount of data and stops |
| 19:51:10 | jhMikeS | The callback is set in pcm_record |
| 19:51:14 | n1s | FranzBlattler: ask, or we can't help you |
| 19:51:21 | TFGBD | No. But once someone cracks it to run 3rd party exes, it should be able to. |
| 19:51:23 | barrywardell | ah, ok. |
| 19:51:25 | jhMikeS | pcm_record_data rather |
| 19:51:26 | TFGBD | It seems they are quite close. |
| 19:51:33 | TFGBD | Just need to find a way "in" |
| 19:51:42 | FranzBlattler | (19:48:33) (FranzBlattler) someone can explain me, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files? |
| 19:51:42 | FranzBlattler | ;-) |
| 19:52:06 | TFGBD | It happened to that Gizmondo Game console, though late. (the company is gone) |
| 19:52:26 | TFGBD | Though, that already let you run EXEs...they just needed to be signed. |
| 19:52:28 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: I think the same logic as in DMA1 should work just fine from the looks of it. |
| 19:53:13 | TFGBD | n1s: Why don't you think it would be easy? It at least has already been ported to win32 and linux...right? |
| 19:53:30 | TFGBD | What do you think WinCE lacks that would make it so difficult? |
| 19:53:43 | n1s | FranzBlattler: It depends on 1) which player you have, 2)disk fragmentation 3) how many files will need to be updated |
| 19:54:00 | Soap | TFGBD: WinCE is no more. |
| 19:54:06 | TFGBD | Eh? |
| 19:54:15 | TFGBD | CE 6 just came out a few weeks ago, silly :P |
| 19:54:17 | FranzBlattler | 1) ipod video 2) dont know ^^ 3) 6600 files |
| 19:54:54 | TFGBD | Do not confuse the marketing side (Windows Mobile, Pocket PC, Smartphone, etc) with the underlying OS (Windows CE) |
| 19:55:05 | TFGBD | They are all still Windows CE just the same. |
| 19:55:11 | n1s | TFGBD: recording, fmradio, and anything that does stuff to the hardware, like backlight, volume etc, will all have to be implemented through whatever api the zune os exposes |
| 19:55:18 | TFGBD | Ah. I see |
| 19:55:25 | TFGBD | well, that does not seem like a big loss. |
| 19:55:34 | lex | linuxstb: hey |
| 19:55:42 | TFGBD | Most CE devices lack an fm radio anyhow. |
| 19:56:09 | TFGBD | and I guess some custom plugin could be made using the dlls on the zune if a zune specific version would be made. |
| 19:56:09 | n1s | FranzBlattler: well, if all the files are going to be added it will take a while, maybe an hour, I don't remember how long it took on my h300 |
| 19:56:31 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: I've just tried this: http://pastebin.ca/282596 |
| 19:56:57 | FranzBlattler | one hour? i update for weeks and there are only 2000 files ^^ |
| 19:57:06 | TFGBD | For the zune, I'm sure someone could figure out how to access the APIs to control the various hardware devices. |
| 19:57:28 | n1s | FranzBlattler: have your ipod been on for weeks? |
| 19:57:29 | TFGBD | Just look at the extracted dlls in depends.exe even... |
| 19:57:54 | FranzBlattler | no. for one hour, than the energy is gone |
| 19:58:03 | Soap | so the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS? |
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| 19:59:05 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: with that, I got "more ready" once and didn't get "end" at all |
| 19:59:11 | FranzBlattler | but i make this for weeks |
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| 19:59:46 | n1s | FranzBlattler: The only tip I can give you is to add music in several steps, a couple of hundred songs at a time and see if it works ok, |
| 19:59:55 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: It should probably not get end in this situation because recording never runs out or shouldn't. it is stopped explicitly |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:17 | FranzBlattler | maybe the only step. i hop i have enough space on my hdd ^^ |
| 20:00:26 | n1s | also are you sure that it is updating, does the disk "led" flash? |
| 20:00:56 | jhMikeS | pcm_record_more has to enable the interrupt for the next transfer |
| 20:01:05 | Digamma | Is there anyone here tied to the development of the Sansa e200 port? |
| 20:01:39 | barrywardell | ah, ok. i'll add that too |
| 20:01:40 | * | n1s points at barrywardell |
| 20:02:01 | lex | [INFO] Ipod model: Video (aka 5th Generation) |
| 20:02:01 | lex | [ERR] Model name in input file (CTYP) doesn't match ipod model (ipvd) |
| 20:02:01 | lex | [ERR] −−add-bootloader failed. |
| 20:02:03 | lex | wtf? :( |
| 20:02:10 | barrywardell | n1s? |
| 20:02:15 | FranzBlattler | well. it makes a noise and in the upper statusbar is a cd |
| 20:02:29 | DerPapst | lex: did you try to install loader 2? |
| 20:02:32 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: shouldn't IISCONFIG |= 0x01 be in pcm_record_more as the last line? You disabled it before calling the callback |
| 20:02:35 | lex | i'm trying to install... |
| 20:02:38 | lex | bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 20:02:42 | lex | is that the right one |
| 20:02:50 | DerPapst | mkay |
| 20:02:55 | lex | i found that from the betainstallation site |
| 20:03:16 | lex | so i just need that 0.5 ipodpatcher and that loader? |
| 20:03:21 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: yes, true. I'm going to try that now... |
| 20:03:35 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: as the last line of pcm_record_more? |
| 20:03:48 | DerPapst | lex: what ipod do you have |
| 20:03:53 | lex | DerPapst: 5.5G, 30GB |
| 20:04:10 | DerPapst | lex: is your firmwarepartition unchanged? |
| 20:04:14 | lex | i guess so |
| 20:04:16 | barrywardell | yes. so then it doesn't need to be in fiq_record at all? |
| 20:04:21 | lex | i just today restored it |
| 20:04:26 | DerPapst | lex: and it's a winpod? |
| 20:04:27 | jhMikeS | no, |
| 20:04:28 | lex | yea |
| 20:04:29 | lex | hmm wait |
| 20:04:34 | n1s | barrywardell: sorry, I thought you were part of the sansa stuff |
| 20:04:38 | lex | maybe i accidentally did something to it |
| 20:04:40 | DerPapst | lex: restored on a mac? |
| 20:04:44 | lex | windows |
| 20:04:45 | lex | but |
| 20:04:52 | lex | how can i restore the firmware partition, i have it right there |
| 20:04:55 | jhMikeS | just reenable the interrupt in pcm_record_more |
| 20:05:02 | lex | exactly 94 megabytes |
| 20:05:06 | DerPapst | lex: with itunes |
| 20:05:15 | lex | hmm i guess it's the original |
| 20:05:22 | lex | because i didn't write anything into it |
| 20:05:26 | DerPapst | ok |
| 20:05:32 | lex | but what's the problem then |
| 20:05:45 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: the fiq_record function you pastbined looked fine |
| 20:05:50 | lex | C:\Documents and Settings\Lex\Työpöytä\rockbox>ipodpatcher 3 -a bootloader-ipodv |
| 20:05:53 | lex | ideo.ipod |
| 20:06:04 | lex | does it matter it's on my desktop, not on C:? :( |
| 20:06:15 | DerPapst | lex: i still try to understand |
| 20:06:20 | Soap | not as long as you can navigate to them from the command line. |
| 20:06:29 | DerPapst | no. the location shouldn't matter |
| 20:06:36 | lex | hmm |
| 20:06:46 | lex | input file, maybe the loader is not good |
| 20:07:10 | lex | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod but isn't it that? |
| 20:07:15 | barrywardell | n1s, Digamma: yes I am involved in the Sansa port |
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| 20:07:51 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: that was it! thanks for the help |
| 20:08:02 | DerPapst | lex: get this one: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodrelease.zip |
| 20:08:14 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: np...glad to hear it work :) |
| 20:08:39 | lex | DerPapst: heh, the loader in that is 60 kilobytes, it was 1 kilobyte in my one :p |
| 20:09:06 | DerPapst | the links aren't working on this page |
| 20:09:09 | Digamma | barrywardell; is there any light at the end of the tunnel in regard to including SOUND in the rockbox port? |
| 20:09:14 | lex | yay it works |
| 20:09:15 | DerPapst | use the files from this archive |
| 20:09:21 | lex | let's see does it boot now |
| 20:09:24 | DerPapst | fine :) |
| 20:09:29 | TFGBD | Yeah, of course the Zune runs CE :P |
| 20:09:37 | TFGBD | Just like the Toshiba Gigabeat S did. |
| 20:09:42 | lex | yes, it boots, thanks :) |
| 20:09:46 | TFGBD | All of the Portable Media Centers are running Windows CE. |
| 20:09:47 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: while you're here. any reason why you didn't move the pcm_dma_start stuff into target tree for arm/pp? |
| 20:09:56 | lex | and can i boot into apple os by holding the menu? |
| 20:09:58 | TFGBD | Its actually one of the 3 OSes in the |
| 20:10:02 | linuxstb | lex: Those links on the wiki page don't work yet - you were just downloading an HTML page saying the file doesn't exist... |
| 20:10:07 | lex | :D |
| 20:10:08 | TFGBD | Its actually one of the 3 OSes in the "Windows Mobile" marketing ubrella. |
| 20:10:08 | linuxstb | lex: Use the hold switch |
| 20:10:12 | barrywardell | Digamma: yes, there is good progress on that. there are reports of almost working sound :) |
| 20:10:13 | lex | oh |
| 20:10:24 | lex | but could i use the ipl2 some day |
| 20:10:25 | TFGBD | "Windows Mobile for: Smartphone, Pocket PC, and Portable Media Center |
| 20:10:30 | DerPapst | linuxstb types faster... |
| 20:10:36 | DerPapst | then me |
| 20:10:42 | Digamma | barrywardell, any chance of a release soon? |
| 20:11:00 | DerPapst | lex: yes you can |
| 20:11:04 | lex | how then |
| 20:11:21 | Digamma | anyway; thank you VERY much barrywardell |
| 20:11:25 | barrywardell | Digamma: there are lots of Sansa improvements upcoming |
| 20:11:43 | DerPapst | you have to use a tool called scramble. |
| 20:11:48 | barrywardell | Digamma: at the moment we're waiting for a datasheet for the dac in the sansa |
| 20:12:01 | lex | :o |
| 20:12:06 | Digamma | havent you been waiting for that since march? |
| 20:12:11 | TFGBD | The big difference between WM for PMC (as on the Zune) and Pocket PC/Smartphone is that PMC is a platform that is closed to 3rd party software. |
| 20:12:15 | TFGBD | (until its hacked) ;P |
| 20:12:20 | barrywardell | no, only for a couple of days |
| 20:12:25 | Digamma | ok. |
| 20:12:38 | DerPapst | lex: or get this loader2: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/loader.ipod |
| 20:12:51 | Digamma | Sorry; I havent been following Rockbox for more than a few days. I have just been reading up on it now. |
| 20:13:10 | lex | DerPapst: and that includes it? :) |
| 20:13:29 | lex | DerPapst: but do i need to restore my ipod before adding that |
| 20:13:44 | DerPapst | no |
| 20:13:58 | DerPapst | you can add it with -a |
| 20:14:02 | lex | oh, great |
| 20:14:05 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: I hestiate to move stuff to target/ for a player I don't own or one too very different cause I can't test it. I suppose a pcm-arm/pp.c or the like is in order though. |
| 20:14:21 | DerPapst | it'll replace the other loader |
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| 20:14:55 | lex | i see |
| 20:15:23 | DerPapst | lex: do you have made a backup? |
| 20:15:50 | lex | yes i did |
| 20:15:54 | lex | from the original |
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| 20:16:00 | DerPapst | good. |
| 20:16:42 | TFGBD | So...thoughts on the Zune and CE? :P |
| 20:16:44 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: i'll make the move when I commit the recording stuff |
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| 20:17:21 | lex | wow nice loader |
| 20:17:25 | lex | thank you DerPapst again :) |
| 20:17:39 | jhMikeS | pcm_playback should ultimately have no hardware banging code left at all. that was the idea :) |
| 20:17:45 | DerPapst | no problem |
| 20:17:51 | PaulPosition | n1s - keyboard seems to work allright, on my H10 5gb (128*128 screen).. Edited some text, anyway. |
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| 20:18:51 | TFGBD | <Soap> so the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS? < I'm suprise you would think its running anything else. ;P |
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| 20:19:00 | TFGBD | It is sold by MS so, of course its running CE ;P |
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| 20:19:10 | TFGBD | My MS Router runs CE as well. :) |
| 20:19:23 | jhMikeS | pcm_mute should stay there though cause I'm gonna pull it out of pcm-coldfire.c since the audio chip functions were all renamed audiohw_*. |
| 20:19:35 | TFGBD | suprised* |
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| 20:20:49 | lex | WOW NICE |
| 20:20:58 | DerPapst | heh... |
| 20:21:04 | lex | i need only to put my finger onto the clickwheel and it moves in pokemon :p |
| 20:21:15 | lex | my photo couldn't do that |
| 20:21:44 | DerPapst | lex: rockboy? |
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| 20:21:49 | lex | yea |
| 20:21:55 | lex | i'm sorry the developer passed away :( |
| 20:22:28 | lex | this work nice, except no sound and a little fps |
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| 20:23:48 | n1s | PaulPosition: thanks for testing, I'll probaly committ this soon but would like an achos tester too. |
| 20:25:09 | Nico_P | can someone tell me what happens after a file is inserted in the playlist (and the plyslist was empty, so it starts playback) ? |
| 20:25:43 | Nico_P | i want to intercept what's actually beign played |
| 20:26:20 | Nico_P | because i want to add a cuesheet to the playlist, but make it so that the file that's actually played is the correspondong MP3 file |
| 20:27:47 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: are the recordings actually good and play back fine? should check the mp3 format and see if I guessed right. |
| 20:28:29 | barrywardell | I'm doing some tests now. previously mp3 was broken, probably endianness issues |
| 20:28:41 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: you should probably add an asm optimized swap_odd_even32 as well since the codecs use it |
| 20:29:01 | barrywardell | i'll look into that |
| 20:29:09 | linuxstb | let's hope the ipod/h10 is fast enough to encode mp3... |
| 20:30:00 | n1s | any archos owners (pr others up for testing) a small keyboard patch? |
| 20:30:42 | n1s | or others* |
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| 20:31:13 | Cassandra | n1s: sure - can you post a link to a compiled Rockbox? |
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| 20:31:40 | n1s | I can build, what's your flavour? |
| 20:31:55 | Cassandra | It's fine actually. Where's the patch? |
| 20:32:11 | n1s | http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/keyboard.diff |
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| 20:32:34 | barrywardell | jhMikeS, linuxstb: mp3 encoding works. i only encoded 5 seconds though |
| 20:35:01 | jhMikeS | if you got that much it's probably good to go. guess I guessed right about byte reversing it :) |
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| 20:35:33 | Cassandra | Building now - what do you need me to test? |
| 20:36:03 | barrywardell | should I be able to play an aiff recording on my device? |
| 20:36:38 | n1s | just to see if the vkeyboard works ok, basically, and it's known that it's possible to rename files to illegal filenames, but it was before too. |
| 20:37:20 | * | zylche petitions against illegalising filenames! |
| 20:37:27 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, you should. |
| 20:38:03 | n1s | zylche: you need a time machine and a draft copy of te fast standard to do that |
| 20:38:13 | n1s | FAT standars |
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| 20:38:22 | barrywardell | it doesn't work...not in VLC either |
| 20:38:26 | * | zylche orders a time machine from www.notascam.co.ro |
| 20:38:52 | n1s | :-) |
| 20:40:45 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: if I didn't screw up the endian swap somewhere there |
| 20:42:01 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: here's my recording: barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-202409.aiff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-202409.aiff |
| 20:42:32 | Cassandra | Hmm. Next time copy the zip file away from the virtual machine, rather than extracting over SMB, I think. |
| 20:42:43 | jhMikeS | hmmm...WMP says it's not good |
| 20:42:53 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: VLC gives me this error: "araw: bad parameters(bits/sample)" |
| 20:43:50 | jhMikeS | I'll check the header |
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| 20:47:40 | Cassandra | n1s: Yeah, it's fine. I see : and ;, and I can change file names. |
| 20:48:34 | n1s | Cassandra: thanks for testing, feel free to test the disk poweroff patch in the tracker too :-) |
| 20:48:53 | jhMikeS | sample size is showing as 0000 ... hmmm |
| 20:49:33 | jhMikeS | H_TO_BE32(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */ |
| 20:49:36 | jhMikeS | should be |
| 20:49:41 | jhMikeS | H_TO_BE16(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */ |
| 20:49:47 | jhMikeS | in aiff_enc.c |
| 20:50:55 | jhMikeS | line 62 |
| 20:51:14 | Cassandra | n1s: No time right now. |
| 20:51:46 | n1s | ok, thanks anyway ;-) |
| 20:52:27 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: thanks. i'll test that change now... |
| 20:53:22 | Nico_P | ok guys, never mind, i found what i was looking for |
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| 20:55:18 | Juice^ | is there anything needed to be tested for the sansa e200? |
| 20:55:29 | TFGBD | Windows CE pwn j00. |
| 20:56:02 | [Gino] | Does anyoneknow if the power managment on the iAudio x5/x5L complete, or does it still have a short(er) battery life than the original firmware? |
| 20:56:08 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Nice work with the recording btw. How's it working compared to before? |
| 20:56:26 | barrywardell | playback after recording still doesn't work |
| 20:56:32 | barrywardell | mp3 recording does work |
| 20:57:10 | barrywardell | haven't tested gain control or different frequencies |
| 20:57:27 | jhMikeS | I think there might be some goofs in the macros ... rrrr |
| 20:59:24 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: it plays, but the sound is garbled |
| 20:59:30 | barrywardell | with AIFF |
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| 21:00:41 | jhMikeS | some stuff looks wrong in the header |
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| 21:01:28 | jhMikeS | I think H_TO_BE32 isn't swapping right |
| 21:02:23 | jhMikeS | mmm...maybe not that...looks ok |
| 21:02:43 | jhMikeS | Header size is shown as 00 00 00 12 = 18 big endian |
| 21:02:50 | jhMikeS | so that's ok |
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| 21:05:22 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: this is my new file barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-205049.aiff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/R061217-205049.aiff |
| 21:05:45 | jhMikeS | Ok...I screwed up correcting the header but fixed it and the one you gave me played fine |
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| 21:08:23 | barrywardell | what do I need to change? |
| 21:08:31 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: that's odd consider the first was fine exept for the sample_size field |
| 21:08:45 | jhMikeS | s/consider/considering |
| 21:09:13 | jhMikeS | I don't know...did you change anything else? |
| 21:09:45 | jhMikeS | I heard you saying "testing, testing, testing" on the first |
| 21:10:03 | barrywardell | i'll try again |
| 21:10:41 | barrywardell | recording is very very slow now |
| 21:12:21 | barrywardell | i must have changed something else too |
| 21:13:44 | jhMikeS | header looks ok on the second |
| 21:14:56 | jhMikeS | yep, numbers are good there |
| 21:18:02 | jhMikeS | In the audio editor looks like some wierd low f dampened oscillation |
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| 21:18:58 | barrywardell | i think I changed something that's slowing things down a lot |
| 21:19:14 | barrywardell | i also get Warning: 00000001 |
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| 21:21:11 | Nailor | Hi. I came up with a problem and the latest daily build: My iPod keeps unmounting (on Ubuntu Linux) when I disk dump the first partition (in my case /dev/sda1) |
| 21:21:36 | Nailor | Dunno does this happen with other builds, I'm just trying the rockbox install |
| 21:21:40 | Nailor | ..which now fails |
| 21:23:21 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: that's a pcm buffer overflow |
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| 21:23:50 | barrywardell | that probably also explains the extreme slowness all of a sudden |
| 21:23:55 | barrywardell | i don't know what I changed |
| 21:26:03 | Nailor | Anyone here who has installed rockbox with linux? |
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| 21:26:34 | jhMikeS | it doesn't appear to involve the encoder to me atm. can you still do another format? |
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| 21:27:35 | dionoea | Nailor: try rmmod ehci_hcd |
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| 21:27:56 | barrywardell | the recording screen is very slow no matter what format I use. A screen update takes over a second! it wasn't like that before. I'm trying to see what has changed |
| 21:31:37 | Nailor | dionoea: I'll try, thanks. |
| 21:33:29 | Nailor | dionoea: What does that module do, anyway? |
| 21:34:15 | dionoea | it's for USB2 support i think. And that somehow messes up with my ipod here... |
| 21:34:32 | braden0000 | Does anybody here have rockbox working on thier sansa? |
| 21:34:33 | dionoea | using uhci_hcd works fine |
| 21:34:33 | Nailor | oh |
| 21:34:56 | Nailor | Well. Now the bootpartition.bin is 82 megabytes |
| 21:35:02 | Nailor | Before it was around 2 to 3 |
| 21:35:17 | Nailor | and the ipod didn't unmount. Thanks =) |
| 21:35:19 | dionoea | :) |
| 21:36:21 | amiconn | USB1.1 speed isn't what I would call fun... |
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| 21:36:35 | dionoea | hehe ... |
| 21:36:36 | amiconn | But somehow linux doesn't like me as well wrt usb |
| 21:36:42 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: dealing with the "what the hell did I change?" factor can be a bitch! :) |
| 21:36:45 | dionoea | but does the apple rescue thing support USB2 ? |
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| 21:37:22 | amiconn | USB2.0 looks like it's working, but sometimes messes up data in large files :/ |
| 21:37:25 | barrywardell | especially because I don't think I changed anything! |
| 21:37:57 | * | amiconn should stick to windows for usb at least atm |
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| 21:38:06 | jhMikeS | just line 62 in aiff_enc.c ? that's make so sense and shouldn't affect other encoders. odd |
| 21:38:10 | amiconn | dionoea: On mini G2 it definitely does |
| 21:39:03 | amiconn | Btw, if it wouldn't, linux wouldn't get into ehci trouble. |
| 21:39:11 | jhMikeS | It's almost like the sample rate is set really high but the encoder thinks it's 44100 |
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| 21:39:46 | dionoea | amiconn: maybe the USB2 support is buggy ... which explains the issues people are runing into |
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| 21:40:00 | jhMikeS | But I mean like way, way higher than 44100 |
| 21:41:21 | amiconn | dionoea: I'd rather blame linux |
| 21:41:29 | Nailor | dionoea: that actually did the trick. |
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| 21:41:44 | dionoea | nah ... that's too easy. People always blame linux :) |
| 21:41:58 | Nailor | Though, I've been noticing some really weird behaviour with my USB 2 on this desktop machine |
| 21:42:20 | amiconn | I don't have any problems with the ipod connected to windows, and otoh the data errors I mentioned happened with my H340 connected to my linux box, not the ipod |
| 21:42:22 | Nailor | Eg. my external drive keeps on shutting down and starting up again on some ports. |
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| 21:44:43 | TFGBD | Windows CE pwn j00. |
| 21:45:07 | amiconn | Nailor: That might be a different problem. There are many external harddrives which violate the USB power specs (namely 2.5" drives) |
| 21:45:55 | amiconn | ...and if the port adheres to the standard, it's supposed to shut down the device (instead of allowing it to draw excessive power) |
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| 21:48:44 | Nailor | amiconn: But I don't have that problem on my laptop, and not on all ports of this computer, so.. :) |
| 21:48:58 | amiconn | Very possible. |
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| 21:55:01 | Nailor | hmm. |
| 21:56:08 | Nailor | Now my ipod displayed a some sort of a battery warning and won't turn up again even if plugged in |
| 21:56:29 | Cassandra | Hold down Menu+select for 10 secs or so. |
| 21:57:49 | Nailor | That did it, I guess. |
| 21:58:00 | Nailor | How can I tell is the rockbox recharging? |
| 21:58:12 | Nailor | The original iPod made it quite clear |
| 21:58:18 | Cassandra | The battery indicator on the status line will be moving. |
| 21:58:41 | Nailor | If I interpert it right, it appears to be full. Weird. |
| 21:59:59 | Arathis | barrywardell: why didn't you just use 'diff file1 file2' to find the changes in the files. okay, that would only work if you have the old file anywhere ... |
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| 22:02:59 | Kasperle | cvs status and cvs diff as well |
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| 22:06:01 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
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| 22:06:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder once published some photos of DevCon, does anybody have the url? |
| 22:07:37 | barrywardell | Arathis: that's the problem. I don't have the old file... |
| 22:08:20 | petur | [IDC]Dragon: isn't there a link to devcon anymore? |
| 22:08:45 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, in the wiki, but not with the pictures |
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| 22:09:11 | [IDC]Dragon | only empty chairs |
| 22:09:15 | petur | indeed... |
| 22:10:48 | Arathis | barrywardell: that's why I never close the editor while in progress. but gedit for example keeps a tempfile of the last save. like "~file" |
| 22:11:14 | barrywardell | the files are still open too... |
| 22:12:01 | barrywardell | but I don't see any changes |
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| 22:12:56 | Arathis | so you could have made undo and "save as" and than diff |
| 22:15:13 | petur | [IDC]Dragon: http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/ |
| 22:15:39 | [IDC]Dragon | great, many thanks |
| 22:15:52 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: I'd check your hardware setup esp. samplerates cause it sounds like it's getting flooded out with muy mucho data which I guess would also explain the slow screen. |
| 22:16:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll add that to the wiki |
| 22:17:22 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: aah, found the problem. |
| 22:17:46 | barrywardell | i had removed the check for FIFO_FULL_COUNT < 2 |
| 22:20:18 | jhMikeS | oops! :) ... I do that stuff too sometimes and it drives me nuts |
| 22:20:43 | barrywardell | i don't know whether to be annoyed or relieved! |
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| 22:29:07 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: the aiff recordings also work fine |
| 22:29:59 | jhMikeS | excellent. what about wavpack and wav? |
| 22:30:34 | barrywardell | yes, they work fine too |
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| 22:38:48 | jhMikeS | you get interrupts before the requested amount is ready on pp? that sure explains the pcm overflow |
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| 22:41:42 | barrywardell | apparently so |
| 22:42:04 | barrywardell | gtg. i posted an updated patch on FS #6096 if anyone wants to test |
| 22:42:17 | barrywardell | i'll probably commit it tomorrow unless there are any major problems. |
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| 22:46:46 | Disorder | hello |
| 22:47:11 | Disorder | Quick question, How do I add new music to my Ipod nano using rockbox |
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| 22:57:33 | bluebrother | just copy it to the player using windows explorer |
| 22:57:45 | bluebrother | or use itunes and the Rockbox database |
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| 23:06:51 | linuxstb | Any adventurous Windows using ipod owners want to test http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-scan.zip ? This implements a very simple "−−scan" option that tests all the disks on your computer to see if any are ipods. |
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| 23:12:11 | Cassandra | I'll test it. |
| 23:12:12 | Cassandra | Hold on. |
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| 23:17:24 | Cassandra | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 23:17:24 | Cassandra | [INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano - disk device 5 |
| 23:17:25 | Cassandra | [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) - disk device 7 |
| 23:17:28 | linuxstb_ | The only thing I'm worried about is that it tries to read from all the disks in order to indentify the device from the disk structure. But it opens all disks read-only, so it should be harmless... |
| 23:17:35 | Cassandra | Assuming those are right, looks good. |
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| 23:17:38 | linuxstb_ | But that looks a good result... |
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| 23:18:34 | Cassandra | Yep, it reports the individual drives as I've expect with -l. Looks good. |
| 23:19:03 | linuxstb_ | Thanks. |
| 23:19:49 | linuxstb_ | It simply tries all devices from 0 to 25 one by one, so it's not the best way to find them. But it seems to work... |
| 23:20:06 | linuxstb_ | (and on Linux /dev/sda to /dev/sdz etc) |
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| 23:20:56 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I'm thinking of doing something very similar for Windows autodetect in rbutil. |
| 23:21:40 | Cassandra | Bear in mind that my system has five MP3 players attached to it at the moment. Good stress test for any auto-detector. ;) |
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| 23:31:53 | joris | Does anyone know if there is still development going on at the archos jukebox series? |
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| 23:32:14 | n1s | most development is for all targets. |
| 23:32:52 | joris | ah ok so it can be ported all players |
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| 23:34:27 | n1s | a large part of rockbox is the same on all players and any changes to that will affect all those targets. This part is mainly the user interface and other high level parts. |
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| 23:35:39 | jesselnz | Has anyone installed rockbox on an X5? |
| 23:35:55 | n1s | I'm sure someone has ;-) |
| 23:35:58 | jesselnz | I can't install the bootloader. |
| 23:36:07 | joris | i get it, i was just wondering if the daily build would contain anything new. |
| 23:36:18 | jesselnz | My X5 just deletes the .bin file. |
| 23:36:39 | n1s | jesselnz: did you follow the instructions? and where does it fail. |
| 23:36:55 | * | relaxed just bought a 30gig ipod for $175 :) |
| 23:37:12 | jesselnz | n1s: Yes, it fails right after I copy the file to FIRMWARE/ and restart. |
| 23:37:55 | n1s | jesselnz: and you are sure you got the right bootloader? |
| 23:39:23 | jesselnz | n1s: Yeah, x5_fw.bin |
| 23:40:08 | n1s | from here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iaudio/ ? |
| 23:41:03 | jesselnz | yeah |
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| 23:41:59 | amiconn | n1s: Re your commit - it's possible to get rid of one #ifdef without changing the actual code... |
| 23:42:20 | n1s | and your player is _not_ x5v, and you are certain that the bootloader didn't get installed, I suppose it will fall back to loading the original firmware if rockbox isn't found. |
| 23:42:27 | amiconn | It's a trick I am using quite often - nothing stops you from using a plain { } in C |
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| 23:43:01 | amiconn | So if you place the end of the first #ifdef _before_ the opening brace after 'else', you don't need to ifdef the closing brace |
| 23:43:25 | n1s | amiconn: oh, didn't know about that, I'll change it. |
| 23:43:32 | amiconn | n1s: No, it won't fall back - X5 rockbox isn't dualboot |
| 23:43:49 | n1s | right, forgot that |
| 23:43:57 | amiconn | Dunno what it does when rockbox.iaudio is missing, never tried... |
| 23:43:59 | jesselnz | n1s: It's an X5L, and I've tried both x5_fw and x5v_fw. They both get deleted. |
| 23:44:19 | amiconn | X5L needs x5_fw.bin |
| 23:44:30 | jesselnz | alright |
| 23:44:53 | idnar | any major changes for the X5 in rockbox recently |
| 23:44:54 | idnar | ? |
| 23:45:06 | amiconn | And if you follow the procedure as described in the iaudio manual (just replacing standard x5_fw.bin with the rockbox bootloader one) it always worked for me |
| 23:45:29 | n1s | you do "safe disconnect" when you disconnect the x5 from the pc? |
| 23:45:34 | amiconn | Put x5_fw.bin on the device, power it down, then start it _by plugging the charger_ |
| 23:45:49 | jesselnz | What's safe connect? |
| 23:46:00 | jesselnz | I just unmount the directory, and unplug it from the subpack. |
| 23:46:06 | jesselnz | * disconnect |
| 23:46:09 | amiconn | The X5 won't flash without the charger |
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| 23:47:22 | * | amiconn just tried what happens on X5 when no rockbox.iaudio is present |
| 23:47:54 | jesselnz | When I take out the USB wire and put the X5 back on the charger, it just starts charging normally, then when I turn it on it boots normally (taking a little longer than normal), and deletes the file. |
| 23:47:58 | amiconn | Rockbox bootloader appears - then a hard power-down follows. HD emergency park, not really nice :/ |
| 23:48:28 | amiconn | jesselnz: Please read again: Power off after unplugging, then boot _by_ plugging the charger |
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| 23:50:19 | linuxstb_ | Anyone know what the "whole disk" devices are called on BSD? i.e. the equivalent to Linux's /dev/sd[a-z] |
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| 23:53:44 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Jens! |
| 23:54:46 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: ide devices are called ad0, ad1, ..., scsi devices are called da0, da1, ... |
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| 23:56:30 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: ipods will most likely appear as da* |
| 23:57:29 | linuxstb_ | OK, thanks. I'll use da* for ipodpatcher's simple scan option. |
| 23:58:24 | Kasperle | it wouldn't make much sense to scan partitions though, i.e. da0s1, da0s2, ... |
| 23:58:34 | Kasperle | (or "slices", as we say ;)) |
| 23:58:37 | linuxstb_ | No, it just scans the whole-disk devices. |
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