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#rockbox log for 2006-12-17

00:00:10tucozlicence wise
00:00:24bluebrotheryeah, they are a bit problematic. We can't just add a copyright notice.
00:00:37bluebrotherand, what license do they have? GFDL?
00:00:52tucozI think pixelma is fine with the gfdl for her work. But, we should state this somewhere.
00:01:02amiconnsvg is xml after all. Not sure whether there is provision for a copyright notice though
00:01:19tucozAnd not simply for the generated docs, but for the raw graphic files.
00:01:24bluebrotherbut that doesn't cover the screenshots
00:01:47bluebrotherso, what license would be a screenshot file?
00:01:57tucozno, it doesn't. Could we add a COPYING document to the manual source tree?
00:02:09tucozi think we should
00:02:52bluebrotherwe could simply add the GFDL in the manual tree source and add a statement somewhere to also cover the images
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00:05:13tucozI regret that i didn't keep up with the contact i had with the gnu guys. I got a response which was ok, but not entirely clear.
00:05:34tucozI think RL intervened at that time
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00:06:24tucozbluebrother, i got to go. will you be around tomorrow?
00:06:44DerPapstkasperle: pin
00:06:48tucozgreat :) i'll talk to you then
00:06:55bluebrotherI don't have much time to actually do work but I try to hang around often
00:07:10tucoznp. I can do some work tomorrow
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00:07:37bluebrothergood. cu tomorrow
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00:20:27DerPapstlinuxstb or Kasperle: the linux isn't able to use the root fs. i get thousands of errors.
00:20:37DerPapst*linux kernel
00:23:22BiptoNderpapst: do you have the userland in partition 3
00:24:37BiptoNi believe the linux kernel is hard coded for the root fs "/" to be partition 3
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00:25:20BiptoNyou can pass an argument to the kernel under the linux loader to use a different root
00:25:34BiptoNderpapst: i dunno if rolo can do that
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00:29:07DerPapsti have the root fs at hda3
00:29:34DerPapstbefore it wasn't there the kernel behaved differently
00:29:47BiptoNmaybe it boots from /dev/hda1
00:29:56BiptoNi can double check my bootloader in a sec for ya
00:31:12BiptoNlinuxstb: i changed the values in the config-ipod4g.h file only
00:32:31BiptoNlinuxstb: no freq scaling and cpu_freq set to 5664800 instead of 1128900
00:33:28BiptoNunder the audio thread it says cpu freq 6 Mhz with 0% boost, I played an album of 224k vbr mp3 and half album of 500k ogg no problems
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00:33:59BiptoNdefault values for config-ipod4g says 75Mhz cpu freq 100% boost
00:34:06BiptoNgonna see if it pukes on me
00:34:23DerPapstBiptoN: maybe the kernel has problems with the 2048bytes/sector filesystem
00:34:39BiptoNis it 5.5g?
00:34:50DerPapstthe 80GB model
00:35:03DerPapstso i expected stange behaviour
00:35:14DerPapstbut thanks anyways :)
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00:39:49DerPapstheh.. the experimental kernel behaves even worse ^^
00:40:11BiptoNi have that kernel runnin on my 4g
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00:40:22BiptoNthink i had to add the root parameter to the loader
00:41:12DerPapsthow is such a parameter looking?
00:41:20BiptoNlemme plug it in and see
00:41:29DerPapstthanks :)
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00:42:34BiptoNiPodLinux @ (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda3 quiet
00:43:22DerPapstcool. thanks :)
00:44:04BiptoNi think the double spaces are a must
00:44:13BiptoNi think i read somewhere
00:44:26BiptoNafter the kernel
00:44:35DerPapstyes. why-ever ^^
00:45:09DerPapsti always used getLoader2Args to do that
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01:04:14JdGordonNico_P: have you seent he cuessheet wiki page?
01:05:14mariano_r4works rockbox's firmware for ipod video 5g 30, version MA446LL ?
01:05:37mariano_r4is a question
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01:07:56mariano_r4jhonny deep version
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01:10:21SimonSelkiMan, this is amazing!
01:10:53SimonSelkiWhen I run Mp3s above 200kbps or so, Rockbox gets a little skippy. It's expected
01:11:06SimonSelkibut I can't believe how awesome the FLAC playbac is!
01:11:14SimonSelkiIt's friggin' amazing!
01:11:29SimonSelkiat like 700+ kbps, it's still fluid as hell
01:11:45*linuxstb hugs ffmpeg's FLAC decoder
01:12:11SimonSelkiIt's too bad FLACs are so huge, my nano is only 4 gigs
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01:13:40mariano_r4works rockbox firmware for ipod video 5g "jhonny deep" ?
01:14:51markunmariano_r4: I don't even know what "jhonny deep" is
01:16:51linuxstbBut Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models).
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01:17:54mariano_r4and ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ?
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01:18:13linuxstbNo, Rockbox works on the ipod video 5g (30GB and 60GB models).
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01:21:36mariano_r4why don't works rockbox firmware in ipod video 5g (30GB and 80GB) ?
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01:21:58linuxstbIt works on the 30GB.
01:22:06linuxstbWe don't know why it doesn't work on the 80GB.
01:22:08DerPapstrockbox works on the 30GB model
01:22:54linuxstbWhat ipod do you own?
01:23:18mariano_r4ipod video 30GB version MA446LL
01:23:23mariano_r4works ?
01:23:58mariano_r4cover "jhonny deep"
01:24:03mariano_r4in the box
01:24:19mariano_r4works in this ipod ?
01:24:19linuxstbYes. But if it is new (purchased after September 2006) then you need to use the new installation instructions, not the standard ones in the manual.
01:25:02mariano_r4please, send me the link of instructions
01:25:37linuxstbDownload this zip file - and follow the instructions here:
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01:26:29DerPapstlinuxstb: you should make a post in the NewPorts/5.5G thread
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01:29:16linuxstbBagder: Are you around?
01:29:58Nico_PJdGordon: yes, nice work :)
01:31:29BiptoNlinuxstb: do codecs have their own freq settings to them or are they global?
01:31:34Nico_PJdGordon: and there's something you might be interested in: i played with plugins too and i saw that using audio_pre_ff_rewind() made seeking much much faster
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01:34:22linuxstbBiptoN: It's global. But don't believe what you are seeing in the debug screen - your ipod is definitely not decoding audio at 6MHz. I expect that by disabling the adjustable CPU frequency, Rockbox is defaulting to 75MHz.
01:34:44BiptoNyeah, i thought it couldn't handle that at 6
01:34:56BiptoNi'm gonna mess with it a little more
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01:35:26BiptoNflac plays incredible though
01:35:35BiptoN1% boost
01:35:40BiptoNif that most the time
01:36:28linuxstbThe boost is simply because Rockbox always boosts when reading from disk. The decoder itself could probably run comfortably at less than 30MHz.
01:36:53BiptoNis the tremor decoder from ffmpeg also or vorbis?
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01:38:43linuxstbThere's no such organisation as vorbis. But Tremor is one of the official vorbis decoders from Xiph.
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01:39:51webguest05back to ipod nano 2nd gen problem: i have firmware 1.1.1
01:40:06webguest05osos & aupd is encrypted
01:41:32webguest05is there maybe a key at offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ?
01:41:44Nico_Plinuxstb: in your new ipodinstallation wiki page, there's a line where I think you forgot a "R%", in section e) of step 2, the first use of ipodpatcher
01:41:54thegeekI think it has been confirmed that the key is not in the firmware?
01:42:10thegeekit has to be snooped from the chip I think
01:42:22Nico_Pyou forgot a "% BR %" (without spaces)
01:42:41*SUSaiyan wonders what key everyone is talking about
01:42:43linuxstbwebguest05: I haven't looked at it at all, and have no experience with encryption anyway.
01:42:57linuxstbNico_P: It's a wiki :)
01:43:02linuxstbBut I'll fix now, thanks.
01:43:19webguest05yes the wiki is the key :)
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01:43:39Nico_Plinuxstb: i considered doing it, but i thought it would be ridiculous to have a new version for such a small change
01:44:06SUSaiyanjust use the minor change checkbox ;)
01:44:42Nico_PSUSaiyan: hmmm good idea, forgot about that one ;)
01:44:57SUSaiyanhehe :)
01:45:18linuxstbNico_P: I've just made a new version for such a small change...
01:45:26Soapformatting is important.
01:45:48webguest05whats with offsets 0x5000-0x51ff and 0x161c00-0x161c1ff ? only the encrypted parts have such a header...
01:45:56Nico_Plinuxstb: aren't small changes merged with previous version when they are from the same author and close in time ?
01:46:02linuxstbAs I say in that page, I think we should move it to the manual asap anyway, and remove the install instructions from the wiki.
01:46:08SUSaiyanthe new ipod has encryption?
01:46:16webguest05yes damn
01:46:41webguest05apple wants to make $$$
01:46:44Nico_Panyway, next time i see a typo i'll correct it right away :)
01:46:58SUSaiyanthey dont need encryption for that
01:47:14SUSaiyanhell, i now have even less reason to get a 2nd gen ipod ;)
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01:51:18linuxstbSUSaiyan: I've lost track of what's working for you now. Is the standard install with "-a bootloader-ipodnano.ipod" OK?
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01:51:44SUSaiyanoh right, i was going to try that
01:52:05SUSaiyanalso, to me, OK is when rockbox loads, i dont really care about apple_os
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01:52:09linuxstbAlso, did you resize your firmware partition, or is it still the standard size?
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01:52:24SUSaiyani tried resizing it a couple of times, but it didnt like that
01:52:48SUSaiyanim guessing that was because of the size thing you told us about
01:54:15SUSaiyando you want me to see if the apple_os works when i use -a?
01:55:38linuxstbYes please - just try a standard install. If that works, I'm happy to release everything. The -wf and apple_os.ipod method can be fixed later.
01:55:53DerPapstlinuystb: ipodpatcher is insanely fast in linux. it transferred 120+MB data to the iPod in less then 2 seconds :D
01:56:13linuxstbAre you sure it transferred it? Check the disk activity icon on your ipod's LCD.
01:56:29linuxstbI find that it's still active, long after Linux has told me it's done.
01:56:35webguest05sync is your friend
01:56:44DerPapstyes. after eject /dev/sdb the appleos loaded normally
01:57:05JdGordon120mb of data in 2 sec is faily impossible..
01:57:41Nico_PJdGordon: have you seen my previous messages to you ?
01:57:46JdGordoni did
01:58:34Nico_Palso is it normal that your plugin doesn't work in the H300 sim ("failed to create thread") ?
01:58:37JdGordonI'll have a pay with that prescan thing, but the mentioned bugs on the wiki are more imporant
01:58:49JdGordonyes, threads dont work correctly in the sim apparently
01:59:04JdGordonI might pull the thread out, because I dont tihnk its actually needed
01:59:16Nico_Pok, it's sad because i have to boot windows to be able to transfer things to my H300
01:59:28Nico_Pah, that would be nice :)
01:59:52Nico_Pwhy what ?
02:00:00JdGordonhavin to boot into windows
02:00:02webguest05is there a tool like euPOD for rockbox to boost the volume of mp3's or isn't it necessary?
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02:00:32Nico_PJdGordon: linux doesn't allow me to mount it... I/o errors
02:00:58Nico_Pnever found a way to make it work apart from once where i got lucky, it juste started working out of nowhere
02:01:19Nico_Pwindows doesn't complain about it at all
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02:01:49JdGordonok, well the thread at the moment is useless, so you could comment the thread creation out and use the sim
02:02:07JdGordonI dont think i'l have much chance to play with it today
02:02:09Nico_Pabout audio_pr_ff_rewind: it's very easy to use... it just has to ba added to the plugin API and then be called with no arguments right before audio_ff_rewind
02:02:31Nico_Pand you have almost instantaneous seeking :)
02:02:40JdGordondidnt you say that just pauses playpack?
02:02:57Nico_Pwell that's what i thought but it seems to do more than that
02:03:29SUSaiyanlinuxstb: still around?
02:03:29Nico_Pi think that in fact it pauses the PCM buffer or something like that, which appears to make a difference
02:03:38linuxstbSUSaiyan: Yes.
02:03:56SUSaiyanlinuxstb: with -a, both work perfectly
02:04:20JdGordonNico_P: in that case, I wonder why the call is even needed? it sounds like it shhuold be part of the aduio_ff_rewind() call
02:04:23SUSaiyanand apple os loads both with the apple_os.ipod AND from its firmware partition
02:04:36SUSaiyandepending on whats there
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02:04:57SUSaiyanso yes, it works perfectly
02:05:02Nico_PJdGordon: when it's used, it's surrounded by ifdefs, so i think it's specific to SWCODEC targets
02:05:18Nico_Pi'll have a closer look
02:05:37linuxstbSUSaiyan: Have you tried -wf again?
02:05:55Nico_Pi'm saying all this based on what i remember from when i looked at the code
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02:06:12*DerPapst is trying -wf right now
02:06:12JdGordonback in a few min
02:06:26Nico_Pare you making changes to your code atm ?
02:06:29linuxstbSUSaiyan: I mean, were your successful tests with -wf or without?
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02:06:35SUSaiyandid you update again or did i miss something
02:06:54SUSaiyanwell if i use -wf, only rockbox works
02:07:19SUSaiyanwith -a. everything works, like i told you above
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02:10:37linuxstbNo, I didn't update anything. I was just wondering if you had tried again, just in case something odd happened the earlier times.
02:11:00SUSaiyanwell ive used it lots of times, but i never noticed a difference
02:11:03DerPapstlinuxstb: i have a 125MB backup of my firmware partition. if i put that back to my ipod with -w should the iPod then ask me about the language? It's like all settings have been resetted
02:11:04linuxstbBut at least the steps described in the installation instructions work. Thanks for the tests.
02:11:14SUSaiyanyoure welcome :)
02:11:37SUSaiyannow lets see how i can shrink this darn firmware partition
02:12:39DerPapstand i'm 100% sure i've transferred the complete bootpartition.bin back. it hasn't done that before
02:12:41linuxstbDerPapst: Yes, I noticed that with my Photo. Not sure why....
02:13:06linuxstbBut I never use the Apple firmware, so never go past that language screen...
02:13:15DerPapstwith ipodpatcher0.4 it didn't happen to me.
02:13:31DerPapstheh.. i have no choice... yet
02:13:50DerPapstbut to be honest i like the applefirmware
02:15:02SUSaiyanyeah its nice, other then that it will not play so many formats and requires itunes
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02:15:48DerPapsti only have mp3 and aac/mp4 and i like itunes too ;)
02:16:08SUSaiyanive got mp3 and oggs
02:16:10linuxstbWhy are you here then? :)
02:16:20SUSaiyanand i dont like itunes :P
02:16:32DerPapsti like to play around with the ipod.
02:16:33SUSaiyanwell its nice sure, but i dont have that everywhere
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02:16:53linuxstbRockbox is everything the AppleOS isn't. I can't imagine people liking both...
02:17:04SUSaiyanlinuxstb: any idea how i can tell cfdisk what cluster size to use?
02:17:11DerPapsti've never used rockbox.
02:17:27DerPapsti have a 3G and rockbox doesn't work on that very well
02:17:55DerPapstbesides that my 3G is half dead
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02:19:17DerPapstand after playing around with rockbox on my 3G i was confused about the button mapping. i wasn't able to go back to the filebrowser.
02:19:34SUSaiyanyeah it can be a bit weird
02:19:36Soapmenu toggles between the menu and the filetree
02:19:47SUSaiyannot always
02:20:12SUSaiyanit goes to the menu below the current menu aswell
02:20:35DerPapsti like the solution of podzilla more. a mainmenu and there is is the filebrowser and a settings-option
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02:21:12Soapok, menu will exit out of your current selection if you are an end-point, a decision point, in the menu, else it toggles between the menu and the filetree.
02:21:41SoapDerPapst: how do you get from the menu system to the filebrowser in IPL?
02:22:02SUSaiyanwhat filebrowser..?
02:22:17Soapfor the main problem is the lack of buttons on the ipods, it makes dedicated use buttons "expensive" and thus most all button actions are context sensitive.
02:22:23DerPapstit's a menu entry right in the main menu.
02:22:59Soap"it" being filetree?
02:23:00SUSaiyanapple os seems to do fine with dedicated buttons ;)
02:23:11SoapSUSaiyan: apple os has less features.
02:23:12DerPapstbut anyways... the controls are confusing on 3G iPods... the buttonlayout is optimized for ipod with clickwheel
02:23:25SUSaiyannot that much less
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02:23:39SoapSUSaiyan: take that back.
02:23:45SUSaiyani will not.
02:23:50linuxstbSUSaiyan: And no shortcuts between screens. I just found myself going up and down the tree structure to do things one button would do in Rockbox.
02:23:50DerPapstSoap: yes.
02:24:57linuxstbe.g. from the "now playing screen" to the main menu.
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02:25:15SUSaiyanthats where the menu buttons comes in?
02:25:31linuxstbBut it's been more than a year since I used it, so I've forgotten the exact examples.
02:25:52SUSaiyanbeen about 4 months here ^^
02:26:10SUSaiyani have only had this ipod for like 5, so yeah
02:26:17DerPapstSoap: imagine a mainmenu with the entries "Music >", "Filebrowser >", "Settings >" and so on,
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02:27:15SUSaiyanlinuxstb: do you know how to resize the partition without messing it up?
02:27:40linuxstbYes. Resize it. Don't mess it up.
02:27:57SUSaiyanthanks, that was very useful :)
02:27:58SoapSUSaiyan: does the Apple OS have any of the following? Themes? Saveable config sets? Replaygain? Crossfeed? Crossfade? Para EQ? Filetree AND Database navigation? Selectable fonts? Playlist generation 1/10th that of Rockbox's? Last.fM logging? Selectable stereo channels? Selectable balance? Selectable Stereo width? Peakmeters? Selectable codepage? Selectable scrollbars? Selectable idle poweroff? Selectable sleep timer?
02:28:39DerPapstof course
02:28:41SoapSUSaiyan: partition magic for windows really is nice.
02:28:51SUSaiyandoes it NEED most of that?
02:28:52SoapSUSaiyan: and you can find older versions often for cheap./
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02:29:06SUSaiyanalso, i have partition magic 8 legally
02:29:06SoapSUSaiyan: why are you here?
02:29:19SUSaiyanbut it doesnt detect my ipod :P
02:29:31Soapdoes windows?
02:29:32linuxstbSUSaiyan: The first step is to get a working firmware partition using only a small part of the total size. After that, you can resize it (I would use fdisk under Linux).
02:29:35SUSaiyanbecause i dont like itunes ;)
02:30:00SoapSUSaiyan: yamipod, ephpod, foopod, anapod, sharepod
02:30:11Soapmediamonkey, winamp
02:30:19webguest05Partiotion Magic has problems detecting USB devices :(
02:30:22SUSaiyani dont have any of those on a random computer somewhere
02:30:24SoapSUSaiyan: Rockbox is not an iTunes replacement.
02:30:28DerPapstafaik partition magic don't like usb drives
02:30:29SUSaiyanlike at school
02:30:34webguest05Version 7 also doesn't work
02:30:41linuxstbSUSaiyan: Easiest method to create a suitable firmware partition is to use the "scramble" utility from Rockbox. I think DerPapst has a Windows binary somewhere.
02:30:47SoapSUSaiyan: they ALL (with the exception of anapod) can be run FROM the iPod.
02:30:58Soapso you have all of them anywhere.
02:31:10DerPapsti have :)
02:31:17SUSaiyanand i want to be able to just dump a file on there and play it.
02:31:26SoapSUSaiyan: they all let you do that.
02:31:42SUSaiyaneh, ill need to run it wont i?
02:32:01webguest05can someone tell me where the german voice files are?
02:32:04DerPapstbut he has to use the -ipodXg option then?
02:32:05SUSaiyani cant just go like *copy file to ipod* *unplug and listen*
02:32:41linuxstbDerPapst: Yes, with one of the old bootloader.bin files. But I could provide a .bin version of the latest bootloader.
02:33:11SoapSUSaiyan: Rockbox comes will all the features (and more) I listed above. If you don't think a DAP firmware needs all that, AND you want drag-and-drop, you own the wrong player.
02:33:29SUSaiyanSoap: hey, i didnt buy it, i got it from work ;)
02:33:34Soapthen sell it.
02:33:38SUSaiyannah, its nice
02:33:45linuxstbSUSaiyan: Yes, it has the ability to create a full firmware partition image containing only the Rockbox bootloader. About 60KB...
02:34:09SUSaiyanhmm, isnt that what the -wf option should do?
02:34:10barrywardelldan_a: any luck testing crt0 on your 3g?
02:34:15linuxstbYou then write it using "ipodpatcher N -w bootloader.img".
02:34:54linuxstbSUSaiyan: No, the -wf just replaces the main firmware image inside the partition - it deliberately doesn't touch the RSRC, AUPD and HIBE images.
02:36:11DerPapstSUSaiyan: what model do you have?
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02:36:29SUSaiyanfirst gen, 4GB, black ;)
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02:37:17DerPapstdo you want to have the scramble tool?
02:37:31SUSaiyanalso, Soap, i do like that it has those features, but i just dont like the way the menu is put together compared to the apple os
02:37:47SUSaiyanDerPapst: yes please :)
02:37:50*DerPapst agrees
02:38:14Soapthe rockbox menu works quite similarly to the apple menu.
02:38:16DerPapstyou are on win x86?
02:38:27Soapa nested tree with selectable options at the end./
02:38:37SUSaiyanwin, lin, whatever you wish ;)
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02:38:50SUSaiyanjust as long as its not 64 bits ;P
02:38:53SUSaiyanor a mac
02:39:08linuxstbSUSaiyan: Do you have a copy of the Rockbox source?
02:39:16SUSaiyani do not
02:39:20linuxstbIf so, you'll find scramble in the tools/ directory.
02:39:31SUSaiyanim lazy and just randomly download daily builds
02:40:00DerPapstare you ob windows atm?
02:40:10SUSaiyanon my other computer, yes
02:40:22DerPapstso you are on linux now?
02:40:28SUSaiyanon this computer, yes ;)
02:40:41DerPapstthats what i wanted to know ;)
02:40:49SUSaiyanbut send me the win one :P
02:40:58SUSaiyanive got the rest of the ipod stuff there too
02:41:03DerPapstthe sourcecode
02:41:09SUSaiyanthatll do
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02:41:45SUSaiyanlol, stop sign
02:43:47DerPapstevery good "messing-around-with-the-ipod's-firmware"-tool has it ;)
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02:45:25SUSaiyannow, what exactly should i do with this
02:46:04DerPapstscramble -ipod4g bootloader.bin new_firmware.bin
02:46:08linuxstbLlorean: The links on the IpodInstallationBeta page don't work yet...
02:46:26DerPapstbut you need an older bootloader
02:46:31SUSaiyanhmm, older? :/
02:46:49SUSaiyani just got used to this one, hehe
02:46:52linuxstbYou just need to remove the first 8 bytes from bootloader-ipodnano.ipod
02:46:52Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, I didn't check the links... I just assumed if they were there, they'd work. =/ Sorry, lemme go correct my statement.
02:46:59DerPapstyes.. not one with the new *.ipod format
02:47:14SUSaiyanwhats the first 8 bytes?
02:47:15linuxstbLlorean: They'll work next time I see Bagder around....
02:47:23DerPapstask linuxstb about them
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02:48:02linuxstbSUSaiyan: The difference between the old ".bin" format the scramble expects, and the .ipod format used by the new ipodpatcher. A checksum and a four-character model identifier.
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02:48:56SUSaiyanof course one could just change scramble to ignore the first 8 bytes
02:49:31SUSaiyanright? ^^
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02:49:38Lloreanlinuxstb: It doesn't matter, apparently the ipod_fw.exe link works if you actually type it properly, anyway. I'm not sure why it has the invalid character in it.
02:49:57LloreanBe back in a bit
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02:50:35linuxstbSUSaiyan: Yes, one could do that.
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02:51:05SUSaiyancant be that hard >.>
02:51:21linuxstbIf you have Linux, it's trivial though - just do "dd if=file.ipod bs=1 skip=8 of=file.bin"
02:51:39SUSaiyanoh right *cough*
02:52:13linuxstbOr "tail −−bytes=XXXXXX file.ipod > file.bin" where XXXXX is the size of the file in bytes minus 8.
02:53:49SUSaiyanheh, i didnt know tail could do bytes
02:55:27DerPapstgcc -o sleep sleep.c
02:55:28DerPapst./sleep −−DerPapst
02:55:33DerPapstgood night
02:55:49SUSaiyanhehe, night
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02:56:25SUSaiyanokay so i can now just dd this bin file onto the firmware partition?
02:56:37SUSaiyanthe one scramble generated that is
02:58:54SUSaiyanokay, it still boots, now to resize the partition
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03:00:37SUSaiyanhmm, it seems to like calling it sda1 instead of sda2
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03:03:57SUSaiyanyeah okay fdisk just messed up the partition table
03:04:43linuxstbfdisk did exactly what you told it to do...
03:05:06linuxstbDid you save a copy of your partition table?
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03:06:23SUSaiyanhehe, no ^^
03:06:45SUSaiyanbut thats okay, ill just restore it again :)
03:07:07linuxstbdd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/dev/sda
03:07:14SUSaiyanor that
03:07:36linuxstbThen I would unplug it, then reattach.
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03:09:34SUSaiyanor eject :)
03:09:53SUSaiyanwell the partition table is back to normal now
03:10:39linuxstbJust change it so the first partititon is from 1 to 1, and the second is from 2 to the end. Make sure everything else looks the same (use p to display it before the changes, then p again at the end and compare).
03:11:28JdGordonbloody hell copying stuff across a 10mbit LAN is slow
03:11:54linuxstbBurning to DVD could be faster...
03:12:07SUSaiyanoh now i see whats wrong, cfdisk just calls the empty partition empty space, and not a partition
03:12:38linuxstbUse fdisk.
03:12:48linuxstbI know for sure fdisk will work.
03:12:54JdGordonlinuxstb: it would be, but the destination comp doesnt hve a dvd rom
03:13:18linuxstbMove the hard drive between computers? :)
03:13:47JdGordoncant be bothered :p
03:14:37linuxstbAny progress with the cue plugin? I'm looking forward to trying it, but the buglist seems too long at the moment.
03:14:58JdGordonhavnt had a chance today to pay with it, probably wont be any progress untill tomorow
03:15:46SUSaiyanlinuxstb: fdisk did work, i was just hoping cfdisk wouldnt be less smart, but unfortunately it was
03:16:10linuxstbIt's stupidity is fdisk's strength. It lets you do anything.
03:16:29linuxstbStrictly speaking, cfdisk is correct - the first partition is empty space.
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03:17:21SUSaiyantrue, but it would have been nice if i could set a partition to type 00
03:17:24SUSaiyanit wouldnt let me do that
03:17:58SUSaiyanand damn disk mode is slow
03:17:58linuxstbThat's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it.
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03:18:36Soapare you serious linuxstb?
03:19:00linuxstbAbout what?
03:19:31SUSaiyantoo bad 1 cylinder is 8mb
03:19:37SoapThat's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it.
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03:20:32linuxstbSUSaiyan: fdisk lets you specify the size in sectors or MB I think, but I've no idea what's "legal". You could try reducing it and see what happens.
03:20:59linuxstbSoap: Do you think otherwise?
03:21:04SUSaiyanit doesnt change it to a legal setting?
03:21:21linuxstbSUSaiyan: I don't know.
03:21:22SUSaiyani know that in cfdisk it just resizes it so that it fits
03:21:35SUSaiyanso does partition magic actually
03:21:39Soaplinuxstb: I never thought that hard about it. I always assumed it was due to lack of effort, not intentional crippeling.
03:22:15linuxstbIt's not crippling, it's safety. So that it's not accidentally deleted. If it was another type, I'm guessing Windows (and maybe MacOS) would offer to format it for you.
03:22:48SUSaiyanindeed, youre not even supposed to know its there ^^
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03:25:59Soapyou know, I just realized that we are talking about two different things, linuxstb, due to a missread on my part.
03:26:29SoapI took that line of yours as a response to the line directly above it.
03:26:29Soap<SUSaiyan> and damn disk mode is slow
03:26:29Soap<linuxstb> That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it
03:26:44SUSaiyanhaha :D
03:27:07SUSaiyannow why would disk mode be slow ;)
03:27:45SUSaiyanalso, is there any word about a usb driver yet? :/
03:28:22linuxstbThere seems to be USB progress on the Sansa, which also has a PortalPlayer CPU.
03:28:52linuxstbSo maybe something useful for the ipods could come from there.
03:33:02SUSaiyanwhy is the usb so hard anyway?
03:35:30Nico_PJdGordon: are you back ?
03:36:11linuxstbSUSaiyan: Zero documentation.
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03:38:50JdGordonNico_P: hey
03:39:27Nico_PJdGordon: i took your cue viewer and made a few changes based on my experiments
03:39:53Nico_Pi now have a viewer which displays a menu with all the tracks in the cue, allowing to seek to them :)
03:40:01JdGordonhaha, nice
03:40:08Nico_Pand the seeking is almost immediate
03:40:36Nico_Phave you made changes to the code that's on the wiki ?
03:41:34Nico_Pi'll put a patch on the wiki when i go to bed
03:42:14Nico_Pif you want to see, i can send one to you
03:42:32JdGordonbusy at the moment... ill check it out when you upload it
03:42:43SUSaiyanhum, this isnt good
03:43:03SUSaiyanData arbort at 0002C554
03:43:16SUSaiyanwhen attempting to play music
03:43:27Nico_PJdGordon: how do i choose which entry of a menu is selected when i show the menu ?
03:43:57Nico_Pthat way i can test your find_current_track and maybe debug it if needed
03:44:33Llorean-awaySUSaiyan: What format music, what player, etc?
03:44:54JdGordonNico_P: the best way is to use a list instead of a menu
03:45:09SUSaiyanany format, ipod nano 1st gen, 4gb
03:45:21JdGordonits a bit harder to set up, but still farily easy to ue
03:45:39Llorean-awaySUSaiyan: Define "any", as I doubt you've tried every single format Rockbox supports.
03:45:40Nico_Pi'll look into that, but is there an easy way to select the default menu entry ?
03:45:52SUSaiyanokay okay, ogg and mp3
03:46:11Llorean-awaySUSaiyan: Also, what day's CVS or daily build are you using, and which sort is it?
03:46:27JdGordonNico_P: I dont tihnk so
03:46:35SUSaiyanyesterdays daily build (well, 8 hours ago)
03:46:46SUSaiyanwith linuxstb's new bootloader :P
03:47:35Nico_Pah, got it : it must be menu_set_cursor :)
03:48:01JdGordonNico_P: that current track code was done at like 12.30am, so its failry liekly to make no sense at all :D
03:48:11Llorean-awaySUSaiyan: Try using a CVS build, and clear settings upon reboot using the hold-switch method (assuming that still works), and make sure you've replaced the codecs when installing it.
03:48:32Nico_PJdGordon: i'll soon know more :)
03:49:29linuxstbLlorean-away: Have you tried the latest bootloader and ipodpatcher on your Nano? Files are here:
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03:50:02Lloreanlinuxstb: I can't right now, unfortunately. 180 miles from home
03:50:43linuxstbYou probably read in the logs that I implemented your hold-switch idea.
03:51:08LloreanI noticed something like that, yeah. :)
03:51:35SUSaiyanlinuxstb: did you actually try if you could still play music? ;)
03:51:42Lloreanlinuxstb Does apple_os.ipod work?
03:51:55LloreanI remember the old attempt at trying that failed horribly.
03:51:56SUSaiyannot on the nano :/
03:51:59linuxstbSUSaiyan: No, but no-one else has complained...
03:52:13SUSaiyanmust just be me then
03:52:28SUSaiyanof course im also the only one that used the scramble thing, id guess
03:52:40linuxstbLlorean: It seems to, but SUSaiyan had problems with that as well... That's why I'm curious to get results from other Nanos.
03:53:01Lloreanlinuxstb: I'll test as fully as I can when I get home, but it won't be 'till after the weekend.
03:53:11LloreanSUSaiyan: Does it freeze when you try to play music with Apple_OS?
03:53:19SUSaiyanwhat apple_os :P
03:53:50Lloreanlinuxstb: I remember it froze up on USB insert, or when you tried to run music
03:53:52SUSaiyansound does work in the metronome plugin though
03:54:13LloreanSUSaiyan: Did you follow my instructions re using a newer build and making sure to clear the settings?
03:54:29SUSaiyani am right now
03:54:31LloreanI've had on some rare cases my Nano continually data abort until I cleared its settings.
03:54:35SUSaiyanbut disk mode is slow as hell
03:54:44LloreanThat's why you keep Apple OS around. :-P
03:54:47SUSaiyani did clear the settings before that though
03:55:06SUSaiyanmeh, the apple os uses 80mb :P
03:55:28Soapthat is an album.
03:55:39linuxstbOr two FLACs...
03:56:08LloreanI guess since I only really use my Nano for exercising, I don't feel the need to even fill it.
03:56:34SUSaiyanwell its not filled with music, but i use it for other stuff too :)
03:59:04Nico_PJdGordon: yeah, find_current_track was a bit wrong ;)
04:02:56SUSaiyanmy god, why the hell is disk mode so slow
04:04:48Soap That's why Apple did it that way - so that most tools wouldn't touch it ;)
04:05:00SUSaiyanhehe, thats what i was thinking too ;)
04:05:24linuxstbAre you serious?
04:05:54LloreanWhat ever happened to that one person who consistently maintained he got full speed transfers in disk mode?
04:06:31SUSaiyanhe does get full speed transfers, however, usb is called high speed
04:06:32Soaplinuxstb: I was trying to turn my earlier misunderstanding into a joke.
04:06:45SoapLlorean: did that one person have USB 1.1 only?
04:06:58SUSaiyanSoap: in case you didnt notice, he copy pasted your response ;P
04:07:22SUSaiyanusb 2 is called high speed*
04:07:29LloreanSoap: No, they were reporting transfer speeds the same as I got in-Apple.
04:07:37Soapmust be nice.
04:07:56LloreanSUSaiyan: I was using "Full speed" as in "The full speed that the iPod can transfer at" rather than the USB Full Speed.
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04:11:11SUSaiyanhehe, okay
04:11:20SUSaiyanalso, updating fixed the error
04:11:22SUSaiyanthanks :)
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04:15:48SUSaiyanheh, one read error and it marks it unable to be read? wth?
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04:34:51BlackMoonwhere do i download ipod drivers for windows?
04:35:59Soapyou don't need them.
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04:45:41JdGordonNico_P: can I see your changes? I'm bored
04:46:06Nico_PJdGordon: i'll make a patch for you
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04:55:33BlackMoonwhere do i download ipod drivers for windows?
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05:00:47SoapBlackMoon: why do you think you need them? Windows sees your iPod as a generic UMS device. Do you have windows 98?
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05:03:24chrisjsI got a problem
05:04:11chrisjsWhen using the zip file for the Sansa on the CVS builds page, I get an error message saying
05:04:17chrisjsKeep pressing enter
05:04:29chrisjs'No partition found. Insert USB calbe and fix it'
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05:08:51SUSaiyanmake a partition then? :)
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05:11:42chrisjsThat's generally what I'd do but the partition already exists. Both the regular partition and the 20 meg partition
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05:15:18chrisjsAny other suggestions?
05:17:15SUSaiyanum, not really, i havent even heard of the sansa before today, heh
05:19:21chrisjsMight just be a bug I guess...maybe I'll wait 'till tomorrow to try again
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05:29:21SUSaiyanchrisjs: ask on the forum, im sure some dev will read it and help you out :)
05:29:35SUSaiyanor on the mailing list
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08:31:21JdGordonwe have a enw record!
08:31:39JdGordon39 seconds!
08:31:54JdGordonor does it not count because he didnt ask a quesiton?
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08:32:24JdGordonstupid typos
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08:33:59amiconnJdGordon: Balme teh keybaord ;)
08:34:12JdGordonI will continue to do so :D
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09:18:42alsafis anybody working on rockbox for th Sansa E200 series?
09:19:13Bagdera whole bunch is
09:21:03alsafDoes it matter what model of player you get?
09:21:18Bagderyes, we're not yet running on the R model
09:21:21Slasherihmm, it seems some interesting commits happened in the night (synchronous queues)
09:21:26Bagdermodels rather
09:21:27alsafI was thinking of trying to get the 2gig model cheap in the january sales
09:22:12Bagderand of course, rockbox doesn't yet have sound on the sansa ;-)
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09:22:56*amiconn still doesn't understand the purpose of synchronous queue
09:23:21Slasheriamiconn: did you check the playback.c changes?
09:23:21amiconnWhen it needs to be synchronous, why use a queue in the first place, instead of just executing the code?
09:23:37amiconnYes, but I don't understand them
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09:23:44Slasherihmm, i think lostlogic had reasons for it..
09:24:26alsafAs I already have a MP3 player I will be using it for mucking about with rocbox
09:24:38amiconnI still don't understand the whole swcodec playback system well enough
09:25:12amiconnIt seems more complicated than I think it needs to be
09:25:13Slasheriamiconn: but mutexes would have done the same thing (that is what i was using originally)
09:25:25Slasheribut now there is no mutexes but other mechanisms to do the locking
09:27:36alsafhow is anyway I can identify the model so I don't buy the wrong one?
09:27:53amiconnSomehow I need to understand this monster :/
09:28:01alsafsorry is there anyway I can identify the sansa model so I don't buy the wrong one?
09:28:05Bagderalsaf: the R models are "Rhapsody" ones and they are called something like e250R etc
09:28:48Bagderthey have a different encryption key that we haven't yet extracted
09:30:34amiconnSlasheri: Btw, I found what was wrong with my problematic flac folder
09:31:16Slasheriamiconn: hmm, what was it?
09:31:17amiconnSomehow linux managed to mangle the file data of several files after some point during the usb transfer
09:31:34Slasherihmm, that's weird
09:32:03amiconnE.g. the first problematic file (~19MB) was okay until ~11MB, subsequent data was completely disjunct from what should be there
09:32:28amiconnI retransferred the files using windows, and the whole folder plays fine
09:33:22amiconnSo the codec ran into a decoding error, and skipped to the next file (and produced a short audible glitch)
09:33:49amiconnBut this shows that the decoding error handling needs some work
09:34:26amiconnThere was no visible indication that something was wrong with the file, and in one case the decoding error even confused the playback engine
09:34:40alsafbadger: cool. I've read on the sansa forum about certain components are write only. Does this mean write once?
09:34:49amiconnIt played the same (defective) track over and over instead of advancing
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09:35:13Slasheriamiconn: true.. syslog support would at least provide comprehensive feedback of the errors
09:35:45Bagderalsaf: write only components? I don't know what that would be
09:35:48amiconnNah, I wouldn't want any such logging in standard builds
09:36:02SlasheriUI (main thread) could periodically check if there are any messages in the syslog with higher priority defined by user and display those
09:36:18Slasheriamiconn: debugging messages could be ripped of at compile time
09:36:21alsafBadger: The I2C devices
09:36:48amiconnLogf is good enough for analysing such problems I'd say
09:36:51Bagderalsaf: ah, no it just means that the devices can't be read from, only written to
09:37:06Slasheriamiconn: but it's not good for notifying user about problems
09:38:22Slasheriand for example printing anything directly from playback thread is very problematic
09:38:29Slasheribut with syslog that would be easy
09:39:03amiconnI would think just setting a flag (e.g. in the metadata) that a decoding error happened should be enough
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09:40:19Slasheribut there are many other error situations too that should be reportable
09:40:21alsafbadger: so anything can be done to sansa player and it can be backed out?
09:40:28Slasherisuch as failure to load codec etc.
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09:42:30Bagderalsaf: well, we proceed in an as safe way as possible so installing Rockbox will be pretty safe. We can of course never guarantee anything
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09:53:43alsafbadger: no worries, I understand. I currently have a H120 running rocbox and I was wondering if there is any programs (apart from rocbox source code) that I could use with H120 that would be helpful when I get Sansa?
09:53:58amiconnSlasheri: Still... syslog sounds like overkill to me
09:54:10amiconnRockbox is an embedded firmware, not a fat client os...
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09:55:09Slasherihmm, not at all for me.. even tagcache has a _lot_ of possible errors and reporting them all without some centralized message reporting system, would be very complex
09:56:59Slasherifor standard builds only critical/fatal errors and important notifys could be included, while debug build could include everything
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09:57:46Slasherifor example syslog(SYSLOG_DEBUG, "Some error: %s", ...); would be easy to rip off for a standard build
09:58:24JdGordonI started a patch ages ago to revamp the logf functions, its proabbly still on the dev mailing list if your interested...
09:58:29Slasheriwith simple pre-processor defines?
09:59:28amiconnBagder: Somewhat unrelated... shouldn't we have the rockbox 5th anniversary around these days, or do I remember wrong?
09:59:45Bagderseems about right...
10:00:29BagderDate: 2001-12-07
10:00:29amiconnSlasheri: How would you ifdef out only some syslog calls?
10:00:45Bagderwe're overdue!
10:01:36JdGordon10 days late, but happy bday rockbox!
10:05:22JdGordonIs anyone interested in the .cue plugin? I think its working about as well as can be expected now
10:06:00alsafthanks for answering questions for me Badger, amiconn much appreciated.
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10:07:40alsafI'll muck about with the sourcecode for the H120 to get my head round how rockbox works and most likely pick up a sansa after the new year.
10:08:34alsafIf I'm not back on the forum again soon, I hope everybody has a good christmas and a happy new year
10:08:50alsafsorry irc room
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10:15:36JdGordondoes anyone know what gui_synclist_get_sel_pos() returns when the list item size is more than 1?
10:16:03Slasheriamiconn: detecting the syslog level by pre-processor.. However, i have not yet determined how to implement it
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10:16:33webguest77hey guys, I'm kinda new to rockbox and I have a few questions, if thats cool
10:17:40webguest77I have an Ipod video and I have alot of videos and music and stuff, but I really want to keep my music and videos (i have alot of movies and a few series's of shows)
10:17:59webguest77will rockbox flash my hard drive or will i get to keep my files
10:18:04Slasheriamiconn: or maybe a separate syslog_debug used by debug builds only
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10:25:24webguest77dude, is anyone gonna answer?
10:25:34tucozwebguest77: rockbox will not wipe anything
10:25:56tucozyou can still boot your ipod fw to play videos etc.
10:26:17webguest77so like it boots normally and you launch the rockbox?
10:26:42tucozThe bootloader can boot both rockbox and the original fw
10:27:34webguest77alright, is the tutorial easy and is this kinda like a basic program or is it alot of code and stuff
10:27:58tucozit is easy to install rockbox
10:28:00JdGordonits kinda like basic, on retarted amounts of steroids
10:28:17webguest77where can i find the best tutorial?
10:28:39tucozsee the manual,
10:29:16webguest77how well are the emulators like, are they smooth or laggy?
10:29:39webguest77gameboy, NES and sega
10:29:56tucozwe do not have nes and sega emulators
10:30:03JdGordonanyone know why im getting the "filetype strig buffer empty" error message on boot?
10:30:07webguest77well then just the gameboy than
10:30:24tucozWhat player do you have?
10:32:25tucozAh, we have doom and spectrum as well
10:32:38tucozand some
10:32:39amiconnAnd pacbox
10:32:51tucozah, forgot that
10:32:51amiconnJdGordon: Too many definitions in viewer.c
10:33:01amiconnviewers.config even
10:33:29webguest77so they run farily well?
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10:34:38tucozI think so. I only have the h120 which is black and white, so I do not play too much games
10:35:11webguest77lol, alright
10:35:16tucozBut i think doom and spectrum is very playable on the most colour targets
10:36:14webguest77my ipod is realy new and i under stand that there is a risk. if worst comes to worse can i like redo my ipod as in flashing or something to get it back to facory settings?
10:37:07tucozI do not think anyone has ruined their ipod because of rockbox
10:37:31n1syes, ipods can easily be restored as long as you have a windows or mac machine available or if you actually follow the instructions and save a backup of your firmware partition
10:37:47linuxstb__webguest77: Installing Rockbox only modifies what's on the hard disk, not what's in flash. iTunes has an option to restore the hard disk to the factory state.
10:37:59webguest77so when i start my ipod, it starts normally and i boot up rockbox?
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10:38:32tucozit starts either apple firmware or rockbox, depending on what key you press
10:38:34linuxstbwebguest77: Rockbox installs a dual-boot bootloader.
10:38:56*linuxstb pings Bagder (or someone with access to
10:39:12tucozbut i´ll leave the rest to linuxstb, as he is the ipod guru
10:39:14webguest77oh so like for example; I'd press play and it starts as ipod and i pess menu and it starts as rockbox?
10:39:51tucozsomething like that, i think
10:39:59n1sor the other way around actualkly
10:40:00linuxstbWith the new version of the bootloader I'm about to release, you turn the hold switch on to boot into Apple's firmware, and do nothing to boot into Rockbox.
10:40:28Slasheriwebguest77: if you use linux, just use dd to backup the system partition
10:40:41n1slinuxstb: will that not be even more "confusing" than resetting the settings?
10:40:52Slasheriwebguest77: you can't really broke your ipod, at worst you just need to restore that partition (can be done with itunes also)
10:40:57Slasheriand you might lose all your music
10:41:20webguest77so i press play normally for rock box and switch the hold apple?
10:41:22linuxstbn1s: At least it's harmless.
10:41:50n1ssure ;-)
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10:43:14amiconnlinuxstb: I hope the bootloader is able to detect the non-presence of the apple firmware, and doesn't try to boot into it when hold is on
10:43:20amiconn_That_ would be confusing
10:44:26webguest77so i kinda take that as a yes
10:44:48webguest77but for whats released right now how do you switch back and fouth?
10:46:23amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, does that apple_os.ipod mean that rolo will also work?
10:46:55tucozMaybe you should wiat for linuxstb to release the new bootloader
10:47:01amiconnAnd what about the resource image(s)?
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10:47:38webguest77when should that be released?
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10:55:08linuxstbamiconn: Yes, this version should detect non-presence of the apple firmware. Can you try the current CVS? And no, Rolo doesn't quite work yet - we (myself/dan_a/barrywardell) that it's the most likely because we're not putting the COP into the right state before starting the Apple firmware.
10:56:27linuxstbwebguest77: You can try it now if you want. You will need to download this zip file and try to follow the instructions at (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in
10:59:02linuxstbOne thing that may be wrong in the bootloader is that the messages could be too big for the Mini and/or Nano. e.g. lines like "Press MENU+SELECT to reboot" and "then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode" which is displayed on a fatal error.
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10:59:33webguest77I dont really have to worry, I have the 80gb video
11:00:00linuxstbamiconn: Also, the resource image(s) stay in the firmware partition. ipodpatcher deliberately doesn't touch anything apart from the main firmware image.
11:00:43webguest77But I'm really thankful you guys helped me out here, and I guess you guys have someone new in the rockbox comitee. If I need help again I'll know where to come. Thanks alot:)
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11:06:47n1sguess he's gonna come back when it doesn't work :-P
11:08:16amiconnlinuxstb: Very simple calculation: With the sysfont, the mini can display 13 lines with 23 characters
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11:12:12linuxstbamiconn: Thanks. So I need to fix the messages...
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11:23:25webguest11hi i coudlnt find many stable versions of the software, just wondering which model has the best support of this firmware? Cause i have a few blind friends who would love a ipod but cant see them
11:23:39webguest11and iv tested it out on my H10 iriver but that was quite buggy and rarly worked
11:23:45webguest11speech i mean didnt work
11:23:48webguest11any ideas?
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11:25:15linuxstbWe haven't released a version that we would call "stable" for anything apart from the older Archos devices.
11:25:47linuxstbBut out of the newer players, the iriver (H1xx and H3xx series) and the iaudio X5 are the most stable.
11:27:00linuxstbH10 and ipods are very similar, and Rockbox doesn't support all the hardware in those players as well as the other devices I just mentioned.
11:27:25linuxstbBut I can't comment on how well speech works on any player, as I don't use it.
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11:28:50webguest11is there any1 here that is blind and uses it?
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11:30:15linuxstbI think the mailing list is probably the best way to contact other blind users.
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11:33:14bluebrother^nice :) I managed to setup a pastebin on my uni webspace with has LaTeX syntax highlighting
11:33:41bluebrother^I think the Rockbox site should have this ...
11:34:59pixelmareally nice :)
11:37:28pixelmaJdGordon: new test report on your settings rework.... playback option "shuffle - yes" does not shuffle my playlist - at lest if set through the menu (Ondio doesn't have the quickmenu)
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11:41:38pixelmaalso... writing settings disturbs screen updates - because of it being a text it takes a longer time now it is visible for example while playing bubbles and most annoying when running oscilloscope - please consider making it binary as it is in cvs....
11:41:56pixelma(resume position I mean)
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12:03:45bluebrother^hi tucoz
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12:04:12tucozhello. I read that you had a latex pastebin. cool
12:04:42bluebrotherI found some code for GeSHi which is used by pastebin and set that up
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12:05:34bluebrotherhopefully someone of the server admins likes the idea of having this on
12:06:58bluebrotheropen source is great :)
12:07:27tucozit really is. would be great to have our own pastebin for rockbox
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12:09:15tucozwhat license do you think the screenshots should be under?
12:09:35tucozgfdl would work, right?
12:09:51bluebrotherI think so.
12:10:21tucozShould we set up a COPYING/LICENSE document in the root for the manual source tree?
12:10:39bluebrotherI was thinking if it would be better to have this in the docs folder
12:10:46bluebrotherlike docs/COPYING-MANUAL
12:10:53linuxstbHave you decided anything about the (C) messages?
12:10:57bluebrotherand docs/CREDITS-MANUAL
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12:11:17bluebrotherno decision yet
12:11:44tucozlinuxstb, what do you think about that? (the (c) messages)
12:12:32tucozbluebrother, that sounds good.
12:13:05bluebrotherif we ever start building a tarball of the manual sources we could simply include the docs folder also
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12:15:12linuxstbtucoz: I can't think of anything better than what we do in the Rockbox source. i.e. the (C) holder is the person who started the file, or the author of whatever was copied and pasted to create that file.
12:15:41bluebrotherlike so:
12:15:55tucozYes, but in some cases that is impossible to know. Would it be ok to have (c) The Rockbox Manual team?
12:16:20bluebrotheruse the "Rockbox Manual Team" for all files with an unknown / unclear copyright holder
12:16:21linuxstb"The Rockbox Manual team" doesn't exist...
12:16:33bluebrotherhow should it get called otherwise?
12:16:33tucozwell. we could make one up :)
12:16:36linuxstbas in, there is no legal entity. (IANAL)
12:16:51bluebrotheris this necessary?
12:17:03tucozi see. so for the old stuff, it is either christ, peter and jose that are the copyright holders
12:17:09bluebrotherWe could also write "Rockbox Manual Contributors" which are listed in the file named in the header
12:17:12linuxstbIANAL :) But my feeling is that the (C) holder needs to exist...
12:17:33linuxstbOr "Rockbox Manual contributors".
12:17:49tucozbluebrother, sounds good
12:17:59linuxstbi.e. don't capitalise the C.
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12:18:28linuxstbI seem to recall seeing the phrase "(C) the contributing authors".
12:18:35tucozme too
12:18:44tucozi think that is in the manual as well :)
12:19:17linuxstbThe most important reason for having named people as the copyright holder is that they are the people who can enforce the license.
12:19:55tucozyes. but there must legally be possible to have several people as the copyright holders
12:19:59tucozfor a single file
12:20:16linuxstbOf course.
12:20:58linuxstbI'm just thinking aloud...
12:21:11tucozgreat, then we can use 'The contributing authors', and list those in docs/MANUAL-CREDITS
12:21:23linuxstbMaybe an email to the FSF would be worthwhile, explaining our situation.
12:22:43tucozanother issue is the copy from wiki -> paste in latex. This is mainly a problem for plugins, but it is a problem as the wiki content has no known license.
12:24:09*tucoz just found out that IANAL means something else than I am ANAL
12:24:56tucozput in a being there as well
12:26:53tucozin any case, i think we should decide on something real soon. we have started on this issue several times now, and not come up with anything we could use.
12:27:48bluebrotherI guess Febs could help here but I haven't seen him here lately
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12:28:27linuxstbMy suggestion would be a combination of using a name if that file is clearly the work of mostly one person (or maybe two people?), and a generic "contributing author" or "Rockbox Manual contributors" for files where assigning (C) to one particular person doesn't make sense.
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12:29:50tucozhere is the response and letter i got from fsf some time ago
12:30:35tucozthis is not regarding copyright though
12:31:16tucozman, time flies. That is almost 4 months ago
12:32:18tucozi should have asked all questions back then
12:32:39linuxstbOn a different subject, do either of you own ipods? I'm in need of people to review and improve the new IpodInstallationBeta wiki page, which is a revised set of install instructions for the ipods.
12:32:51bluebrotherhmm. But I guess you still could come back to them ;-)
12:33:00*bluebrother does only own an h120
12:33:04*tucoz too
12:33:10linuxstbI'm hoping that once that page is complete, it can be moved to the manual, and we can delete all the various wiki install pages.
12:33:19tucozgreat :)
12:34:06tucozHi Brett, thanks for your reply ...
12:34:11bluebrotherok, I'm trying to build a list of all manual contributors. Should we list all committers too?
12:34:16tucoz(4 months later)
12:34:45tucozAll rockbox committers?
12:34:47linuxstbbluebrother: What do you mean by committers? Everyone that's committed things to the manual CVS?
12:35:06bluebrotheryes. Current status here:
12:35:56bluebrotheras everyone who committed to the manual did at least some work
12:36:16linuxstbSome people may have committed other people's patches, or maybe only made technical changes, rather than content.
12:36:26linuxstbThere's a difference between CREDITS and (C) holders...
12:36:30tucozI think it's fair to say that those on that list are contributors
12:36:48tucozI thought you meant all people with commit access :)
12:37:15bluebrotherhmm. Should someone who committed anothers patch be added to a CREDITS file?
12:37:24tucozwe should add peter schlenker and jose garcia on that list as ell
12:37:25bluebrotheras this is not a (c) notice iiuc
12:37:27tucozi say no
12:37:34tucozto your question
12:37:49tucozas that is no contribution of its own
12:38:23linuxstbI can't imagine that in reality there are many people (any?) in that category though...
12:39:05bluebrotherok, current (incomplete) list:
12:39:10tucozi guess not. And if it is, i am pretty sure we have stolen stuff from the wiki with that persons copyright on it anyway
12:39:35tucozThom Johansen should be credited
12:40:22tucozI think we can use that list. linuxstb should be credited as well, as he has written at least the ipod install instructions. And rasher also
12:41:06tucozDan wrote something as well, and should be credited
12:41:32tucozbarrywardell as well. he wrote the h10 stuff
12:42:38bluebrotherright ... 14 people now.
12:42:54bluebrotherI really start to like this private pastebin thingy :)
12:43:10tucozme too. it's so fast compared to other pastebins
12:43:31tucozI think dan=safetydan, not sure though
12:43:52bluebrotherwe could simply change that list during the next days using the pastebin
12:44:10tucozMaybe we should ask people on the ml if they feel left out
12:44:50tucozright. i credited andrew melville as well for some fixes he made
12:44:58bluebrothersounds like a good idea
12:45:16tucozi added him to the list
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12:49:01bluebrotherok ... so for the images. Everyone can reproduce the screenshots, so we could simply call them GFDL, right?
12:49:12tucozi think so
12:49:40tucozI think the important thing is to have a license, although i wouldn't care if someone stole a screenshot i made ;)
12:50:09bluebrotherok, I think I'll add the gfdl as docs/COPYING-MANUAL then
12:50:30bluebrotherif we happen to make some exception we could simply add it to the top of that file then
12:50:45tucozgreat to have that settled
12:51:02tucozwhat should we do about the wiki->manual issue?
12:51:18tucozwho has the credit on a plugin copied from the wiki?
12:52:23bluebrotherhmm. Can we assume text in the wiki is public domain?
12:52:54tucozi would certainly hope so, but i do not think we can.
12:54:22bluebrotherok, GFDL added
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12:57:25tucozhi pixelma
12:57:45pixelmahi tucoz :)
12:57:58tucozdo you happen to have a sansa image?
12:58:16pixelmano I don't
12:58:27tucozah. then i remembered wrong
12:58:46*linuxstb makes another request for testers of the new ipod bootloaders and ipodpatcher - get the files from and use the instructions at and let me know if it works...
12:59:39SUSaiyanack, another?
12:59:55linuxstbI want other people, not you again :)
13:00:08SUSaiyanso its the same one?
13:00:40linuxstbI think the only change compared to the last version you tested is to fix some text so it doesn't go off the screen on the minis and nano.
13:00:41pixelmatucoz: Sandisk offers an eps on their own site - but that's huge (probably every single detail (and it shows the Sansa OS on the screen) - maybe it's worth editing it
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13:00:51tucozthey do?
13:01:03tucozcould we use that, you think?
13:01:08SUSaiyani didnt notice any text going off screen :o
13:01:35linuxstbOn the Nano, it was just one character on one line I think. The mini would have been more obvious.
13:01:37pixelmatucoz: not without some work I think - have to look it up
13:02:13linuxstbTaking an image from Sandisk's website sounds a bit dodgy though.
13:02:28tucozit does
13:02:53tucozunless it is gpl'ed or creative commons
13:03:14tucozdoes it say under what license it is released?
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13:05:57tucozyikes. 53MB
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13:06:53pixelmaseems to be legal
13:07:24linuxstbBut we're not members of the press or their partners...
13:08:10tucozhehe. but rockbox is sortof a partner, as they initiated contact with us
13:08:29linuxstbIf so, we should complain...
13:08:30zylcheYou are members of /a/ press...
13:08:40zylchetrouser press mostly however
13:09:10barrywardelltucoz: we have permission to use this
13:09:31pixelmahmm... I didn't download the eps so far (wonder why it's so big) maybe it's easier to draw a nice svg anyways
13:09:53tucozbarrywardell, great. unless pixelma decides something else :D
13:10:50pixelmacould be a good basis for a vector drawing... :)
13:11:01tucozpixelma, the .eps is only a photo of the image. not a vector drawing
13:11:14*n1s wonders what they call the button on the bottom of the wheel
13:11:17pixelmaah that explains it
13:11:25tucozsame as this
13:11:32tucozn1s, they call it submenu
13:11:32barrywardellthat was done by Andre Smith from
13:12:02tucoztiff (10MB) here.
13:12:25n1sso, the power button is the menu button and the strange one is "sub"menu, fun ;-)
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13:12:50barrywardellhe said he could provide his original vector file if we wanted
13:13:13tucozok. nice.
13:13:41tucozpixelma, do you want to make your own .svg, or do we go for the one on thesansa?
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13:15:08pixelmais there an svg - I only saw the link to a jpg
13:15:31tucozthere is, he can provide us with one if we want to
13:16:19pixelmacool - then we should use it of course :)
13:19:06barrywardellpixelma: see the post by adscorp here:
13:19:26barrywardellis a fireworks vector file ok?
13:21:07pixelmanever heard of that format
13:21:20tucozisn't that a macromedia format?
13:21:47tucozi think they have a product called fireworks at least
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13:22:41pixelmajust have to put a rockboxed screen on it :D
13:23:46tucozmaybe you can import fireworks with corel
13:27:08pixelmadoes anybody know the file-extension of a fireworks vector file? and/or seen the file?
13:27:54tucozor maybe it is possible to export a fireworks file, to a more common format
13:28:50tucozi just read that fireworks can save as .ai
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13:31:24pixelmathat should work
13:32:27barrywardellso i'll send him a message and ask for a .ai version?
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13:34:44tucozor corel, right?
13:34:56tucozi think fireworks can handle several vector formats
13:36:07pixelmareally neat would be to have them both - Corel can import .ai but you never know if the result is ok (it claims to be able to import macromedia freehand, too - though I never tried9
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13:36:51barrywardellI PM'ed him on thesansa forums asking for .ai and Corel versions
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13:37:23pixelmathanks :)
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13:42:35jbahey guys I can't seem to find this in the ipod manual, is it possible to connect it to usb for charge only, and not go into mass storage mode?
13:43:17linuxstbHold MENU as you insert the cable.
13:43:37SUSaiyannow why didnt i know that..
13:43:51jbatried that, (learned it from gigabeat port) but the battery icon didn;t seem to indicate charging
13:43:59linuxstbYou didn't read the FAQ?
13:44:17SUSaiyanmaybe i did, but like 4 months ago :)
13:44:36jbai was more trying to find out if it actually worked for the ipod
13:44:54jbaalso with the ipod it needs to come on to charge with the power adapeter?
13:45:10linuxstbjba: It's possible that not all the ipods detect charging. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Although most people report that Rockbox charges very slowly via USB, and in some cases uses more power than it draws - resulting in a net discharge...
13:45:27linuxstbjba: Yes, that's an ipod feature - it needs to be on to charge.
13:45:45jbahmm, net descharge may have been what i was seeing
13:45:46jbathanks mate
13:46:11jbaaah well i can live with it being on to charge from power adapter, but hopefully it will charge from usb at my office
13:46:44linuxstbI normally charge via USB, and let it reboot into disk mode to do it.
13:46:54linuxstbi.e. I never care about listening whilst charging.
13:47:41jbawell it has all my music on it, till i the gigabeat port gets up to scratch
13:47:45jbathen the mrs can have it
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13:51:07preglowdoesn't sounds like that's too far away
13:51:31*linuxstb spots an ipod owner and potential tester
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13:53:39preglowwhat do you need tested?
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13:54:07man_hi guys
13:54:13linuxstbThe new ipodpatcher (which can edit the firmware partition directly - making ipod_fw obsolete) and the new bootloader release.
13:54:40linuxstbDownload this zip file and try to follow the instructions at (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in
13:55:09linuxstb(or compile tools/ipodpatcher yourself and use a CVS bootloader)
13:55:35man_i just installed rockbox on my ipod video 5.0 but well i can't figure out how to play videos on it
13:56:48linuxstbBut read the page carefully - that plugin is still being written. For now (and possibly for a long time), rebooting to the Apple firmware is the best way to play videos on the ipod video.
13:57:07preglowin a related matter, didn't slasheri say he'd done some visual changes to the ipod bootloader?
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13:57:27linuxstbHe said he changed his version to white text on a black background. I did the same to CVS...
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13:57:59perpleXais anyone currently working on a nano 2g version?
13:58:21Slasheriand i disabled backlight also, so screen stays blank until rockbox boots up :) but that depends on what people like
13:58:37preglowi don't see a reason for it to display or light up anything unless something goes wrong
13:58:58preglowbut then, i have a nano and booting is really fast
13:58:59linuxstbI can't see the point in displaying anything if there's no backlight.. We could just write to the screen, and only do lcd_update() if there was an error.
13:59:34linuxstb(and yes, keep the backlight off until an error).
13:59:50SUSaiyanyou know you can read the screen without the backlight on, right?
14:00:06linuxstbI can't.
14:00:16SUSaiyani can
14:00:18Slasherihmm, on 5.5G i can
14:00:33SUSaiyannano here
14:00:53Slasheribut the screen looks almost blank, unless there is plenty of light in the room
14:01:09SUSaiyantrue, you need to look at it in a certain way
14:01:37preglowlinuxstb: seems to have worked just fine, and that even without a sudo, which puzzles me a bit
14:02:02preglowsince i was writing straight to /dev/sdb
14:02:14preglowoh well, probably some ubuntu behind the scenes stuff
14:02:18linuxstbCheck the groups you are in. In my Debian setup, removable disks are in the "floppy" group, which I'm a member of.
14:02:24preglowprobably am
14:02:42preglowjust puzzled me since i've always had to use sudo when using dd
14:03:01preglowbut anywho, this is sweetness
14:03:01linuxstbYes, me to. So that's a nice added safety feature for Unix users.
14:03:14preglowway easier installation
14:03:30linuxstbCan you try extracting the Apple firmware with "ipodpatcher /dev/XXX -rf apple_os.ipod"
14:03:49linuxstbThen replace the Apple firmware completely with the Rockbox bootloader "-wf bootloader-ipodnano.ipod"
14:03:58linuxstbAnd put apple_os.ipod on your FAT32 partition.
14:04:36man_linuxstb, is there a downloadlink for this mpegplayerplugin?
14:04:46linuxstbman_: It's already installed.
14:05:07SUSaiyandoes it support audio yet?
14:05:16preglowlinuxstb: seems to work
14:05:24linuxstbYou can boot the Apple firmware?
14:05:27preglowlinuxstb: roloing retailos doesn't work too well
14:05:30SUSaiyandarn, ok
14:05:50linuxstbTry booting it via the bootloader. I know Rolo doesn't work - at least the COP is wrong.
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14:06:17SUSaiyanwhats COP anyway?
14:06:21linuxstb(you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well)
14:06:28preglowso the bootloader can load it from file now?
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14:06:41linuxstbIn theory... Works on my Photo but not on SUSaiyan's Nano.
14:07:23linuxstbSUSaiyan: co-processor. The ipod's CPU has two cores.
14:07:36preglownow, if i only get the presses to register
14:07:46linuxstb(you can use the hold switch to start the Apple firmware now as well)
14:08:04preglowahh, leet
14:08:13preglownot the most successful venture ever
14:08:15preglowit just reboots
14:08:17SUSaiyanah, i knew it had 2 cores, but i didnt know COP meant co-processor :)
14:08:29preglowit just worked
14:08:39JdGordonpixelma: hey, thanks
14:08:40SUSaiyanit booted?
14:08:44preglowsure did
14:08:51preglowfirst it tried, then rebooted
14:08:55preglowthen it tried again, and succeeded
14:09:03JdGordonlinuxstb: you wanted to tesed the cue plugin? the one on the wiki is now very usable
14:09:03SUSaiyanjust keeps on rebooting for me
14:09:17preglowtrying again
14:09:41preglowlooks like it's consistent
14:09:54preglowi just keep the hold switch on, and it works on its second attempt
14:10:06SUSaiyanso for you, it will boot apple os the second try?
14:10:08linuxstbJdGordon: Thanks. I'll give it a go later (doing non-Rockbox work now...)
14:10:10preglowi've probably got retailos version 1.0
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14:10:24SUSaiyanive got 1.2 ;)
14:11:42preglowit did not enjoy usb much
14:11:48preglowtotal hang
14:11:55SUSaiyanwhat about music?
14:12:11preglowdon't have any that retailos can see
14:12:29linuxstbpreglow: Ah, so you probably don't have the "RSRC" image that Nano 1.2 and later have.
14:12:56preglowi don't
14:14:12preglowit's got a truckload of nike bitmaps/sounds/etc
14:14:15preglowfor the nano/nike thing
14:14:20SUSaiyanthat thing :)
14:14:45SUSaiyani wonder if i could boot your apple_os.ipod
14:14:52linuxstbpreglow: You can also stick a rockbox.ipod file directly there if you want (-wf rockbox.ipod)
14:15:02preglowhah, cool
14:15:22preglowSUSaiyan: don't see a reason why it shouldn't work
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14:15:40SUSaiyani do, i resized my firmware partition ;)
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14:16:00preglowthat's definitely on my agenda too
14:16:00linuxstbThat shouldn't make any difference...
14:16:13preglowwasting 80 megs is a bitch
14:16:16SUSaiyanwell it needs the hibernation image from there doesnt it?
14:16:23man_well, another problem is, when i start "doom" it keeps sayin' the basic wad is missing, so i put it in h:\.rockbox\games\doom\ but there is still an error
14:16:30JdGordonis anyone good at making the bitmap icons for file extensions in rocbox?
14:16:36man_isn't it the right dir?
14:16:41linuxstbIt doesn't _need_ the hibernation image. But there is a danger it will create one and overwrite the start of your FAT32 partition.
14:16:41SUSaiyanman_: its h:\games\etc
14:16:53preglowclever apple
14:16:59SUSaiyanlinuxstb: thats what i was thinking :)
14:17:14SUSaiyaneither way it doesnt matter, ive got backups :)
14:17:16man_ok, thanks :)
14:17:18linuxstbA common IPL issue - as they used to use the unused space to create their ext3 partition.
14:18:05SUSaiyanid love to try
14:18:06linuxstbJdGordon: Should your cuesheet plugin work with any supported audio format?
14:18:47JdGordonand it can be extended to bookmarkable type, as long as the chapters are relativly easy to parse
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14:22:23preglowwhat's up with the build table?
14:22:35linuxstb64-bit warnings
14:22:41JdGordonhey amiconn, back to my q many huors ago about "filetype string bffer empty". do you know which define needs increasing? MAX_EXTTYPES and MAX_FILETYPES dont make any difference
14:22:42linuxstb(last set of Doom commits)
14:23:14pixelmajhMikeS's commit seems to have added some
14:23:21amiconnJdGordon: Neither. It's the buffer size that is overflowing, not the count of types or extensions
14:23:51JdGordonwhich buffer?
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14:24:13amiconn(and btw, the message should read "full" instead of "empty". That's a long-standing issue in the language file)
14:24:44linuxstbIs there a reason why it's not fixed?
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14:27:39jhMikeSpixelma: added some what (warnings?) and which one? ??
14:29:19pixelmayour 'mean' commit added 2 or 5 (depending on the build server) to the three 64-bit warnings caused by the last doom commit
14:29:56jhMikeSah....mean was meant to be "meant" btw
14:30:06pixelmain playback.c
14:32:59amiconnlinuxstb: Not sure. I never asked the original author why he used 'empty' instead of 'full'
14:33:32amiconnThe filetypes code is another such 'black box' where I don't understand some things it does
14:33:33JdGordonhe must have been in an oposites mood that day :p
14:33:56amiconnIt's possibly just a wrong translation ('empty' meaning 'no space left' here)
14:34:23JdGordonyeah, proabbly
14:34:25amiconnThe author is not a native english speaker
14:35:13jhMikeSseems pretty "random" on the warnings there
14:37:08amiconnjhMikeS: Not random at all...
14:37:58JdGordonna, the warning makes sense after it has bee re translated..
14:38:35amiconnjhMikeS: You're casting a pointer to an int, which is _bad_
14:38:45jhMikeSamiconn: yeah, I know. The int to void * casting is the problem
14:38:55amiconnBoth directions are bad
14:39:18amiconnYou could use long (better, but not perfect), or intptr_t
14:39:20JdGordonhahaha, I thought you were talking about the error meesgae :p (Me obviously needs sleep)
14:39:44jhMikeSamiconn: I think I tried using intptr_t once and just got errors. I know that's preferrable.
14:40:02linuxstbDoes Rockbox have intptr_t?
14:40:03amiconnIt's just by chance that int and pointers have the same data size on 32 bit platforms
14:40:21amiconnlinuxstb: It does
14:40:36*jhMikeS took his chances and felt funny about it
14:41:07preglowthat needs rectification
14:41:20*preglow has fixed too many ptr -> int casting bugs in other peoples software :/
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14:42:45JdGordonanyone want to have a go at a nice icon for the .cue file extension?
14:43:06jhMikeSI don't think the particular use will have any actual problems but the warnings should go, yes
14:44:46man_mh, is it possible to boot also the apple os without any bootloader on rockbox?
14:46:31jorishi there, i looked at the Faq and it seems there is never going to be flac support for the archos jukebox, am i right?
14:47:24jhMikeSso longs are 64 bit on the 64 bit boxes?
14:47:47amiconnFlac *might* in fact be possible after wav and aiff will be added, but it's not very likely
14:48:21jorisok well let´s hope...
14:48:25amiconnIt all depends on whether someone is able to code a very efficient rice decoder for the SH1
14:49:05amiconnjhMikeS: On AMD64, yes, that's why the platform is sometimes called 'lp64'. Not sure about the others
14:49:44amiconn*Iirc* someone mentioned that on Itanium it's different
14:50:13jhMikeSrrgg. is the intptr_t intrinsic or do I have to put one in inttype.h or something?
14:50:42amiconn(hmm, or was than Win64...)
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15:02:17barrywardell_dan_a: any luck testing the new crt0 with your 3g?
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15:07:41jhMikeSguess I'll start off making intptr_t the same as a long, just see, hope for the best, make any corrections needed, and repeat with some other scheme :)
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15:09:16man_linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox?
15:09:18jhMikeSany particular reason intXX_t is a #define and not a typedef?
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15:13:15jhMikeSLP64 and ILP64...mmmkay. guess we're doing the first one.
15:15:49amiconnjhMikeS: Just include inttypes.h . All those types are already defined
15:16:08amiconn...and for the sims, it uses the os include
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15:18:24jhMikeSnot intptr_t
15:18:39jhMikeSand uintptr_t
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15:20:19jhMikeSi'll just pop 'em in there
15:23:04bluey-anyone got an ipod_fw and diskdumper for intel macs?
15:23:28DerPapstget the new ipodpathcxer
15:23:36linuxstbbluey-: You can try the new version of ipodpatcher that replaces ipod_fw and diskdump (there's a Universal Binary available).
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15:23:39DerPapstit contains both... but better
15:24:02linuxstbDownload this zip file and try to follow the instructions at (the download links on that webpage don't work, but the files are in
15:24:33bluey-ahh ok just wanted to checkout the cvs and compile by hand
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15:24:53DerPapstlinuxstb: you've prepared that text...
15:24:57linuxstbYou could do that as well. But the new install method is much easier (and needs testing...)
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15:25:14linuxstbDerPapst: I just press UP until I find it in my history from the last time someone asked...
15:25:17bluey-can i replease the rockbox bootloader with the loader2 from the ipodlinux project?
15:25:40DerPapstyes but you ahve to use the scramble tool
15:25:51DerPapstomg.. i can't type anymore
15:26:13DerPapstbluey-: can you compile?
15:26:19linuxstbYes, but for that you will need to compile one thing yourself - the tools/scramble tool. You then need to run ./scramble -add=XXXX loader.bin loader.ipod and use that loader.ipod file with the new ipodpatcher. (type ./scramble by itself to find out what XXXX you need for your ipod).
15:27:08DerPapstor get this one :)
15:27:14jhMikeSI'll just try to get all of those warnings now then
15:27:25DerPapstwith ipod version do you have?
15:27:26linuxstbOr try the newer version of the Rockbox bootloader. It now uses the hold switch to start the apple firmware instead of the unreliable MENU keypress.
15:27:32bluey-well i compiled my own loader2 with bluey iPod in the title :D
15:27:44DerPapstah.. ok
15:28:00DerPapstthen you have to compile scramble yourself
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15:28:34DerPapsteither use the code in cvs or this one:
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15:30:59bluey-thanks the scrambe from the cvs was broken
15:31:32DerPapsti'm sure it's not but it is more difficult to compile
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15:32:46linuxstbYou should just need to type "make scramble" in the tools directory.
15:33:00bluey-ehh used gcc scramble.c
15:33:11linuxstbIt uses other .c files as well...
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15:34:35MX-Gcan anyone help me?
15:35:52bluebrotherMX-G, depending on your problem, no
15:36:04bluebrotherbut possibly even yes, but that depends on your problem
15:36:08man_linuxstb :p
15:36:17bluebrotherand unless you tell us that nobody can help you ;-)
15:36:22man_did you read my question :)
15:36:35MX-Go sorry :P
15:36:40MX-Gspanish user :P
15:36:40man_-15:10:10- <man_> linuxstb, d'you have some websites where i can get games for rockbox? <<
15:36:48jhMikeSahhh...intptr_t is in stddef.h. hehe
15:36:49bluebrotherso just ask
15:37:28MX-Gwell, I installed Firmware 1.2.1 on my 80 gigs iPod, and I downloaded this unofficial installer BoardHwName: iPod M25
15:37:28MX-GpszSerialNumber: XXXXXXXXXXX
15:37:28MX-GModelNumStr: PA003
15:37:28DBUGEnqueued KICK MX-G
15:37:28MX-GFirewireGuid: 0x000A27001486D670
15:37:28MX-GHddFirmwareRev: BU011A
15:37:30MX-GRegionCode: LL(0x0001)
15:37:32MX-GPolicyFlags: 0x00000002
15:37:34MX-GbuildID: 0x06008000 (6.0)
15:37:38MX-GvisibleBuildID: 0x01008000 (1.0)
15:37:38DerPapstohh no
15:37:40MX-GboardHwRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
15:37:42MX-GboardHwSwInterfaceRev: 0x000B0005 (0.0.11 5)
15:37:44MX-GbootLoaderImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
15:37:44bluebrother80GB -> 5.5G?
15:37:46MX-GdiskModeImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
15:37:48MX-GdiagImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
15:37:50MX-GosImageRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
15:37:52MX-GiPodFamily: 0x00000000
15:37:54MX-GupdaterFamily: 0x00000000
15:37:56MX-Gups :P
15:38:01DerPapstbluebrother: yes
15:38:02MX-Gdone :P
15:38:02jhMikeSwait, wtf...ok...screwing up royally here :)
15:38:04MX-Gwhen, I'm trying to install it, i can't :<
15:38:18bluebrotherMX-G, 5.5G isn't supported yet
15:38:34DerPapst80GB ipods don't work yet
15:38:41DerPapstonly the 30Gb 5.5G ipod
15:38:57MX-Gwhen does it is going to work?
15:39:10bluebrothermeep. Wrong question
15:39:24linuxstbWhen someone finds a solution, which is impossible to predict. Could be today, could be a year away.
15:39:31bluebrotheras currently the cause why RB isn't running is unknown it's also unknown when it will work
15:40:01MX-Gwhat about linuxproject?
15:40:15linuxstbman_: No.
15:40:36linuxstbMX-G: No.
15:40:36MX-Gipod linux :P
15:40:52DerPapsteven less progress
15:40:58MX-Gwell, thanks a lot for all the info :)
15:41:12MX-Gcya ^^
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15:41:23*linuxstb enjoyed that paste
15:42:03*bluebrother just notices that it mostly only contained 0's
15:42:14*DerPapst wonders why linuxstb enjoyed that.
15:43:50bluey-thanks guys worked well
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15:47:27jhMikeSwell, we'll see how that goes
15:48:20jhMikeShopefully no more yellow spots
15:50:08linuxstbbluey-: You successfully installed loader2 using the new ipodpatcher program?
15:51:03linuxstbOn intel Mac?
15:51:27bluey-yep... using the scramble which DerPapst posted
15:51:36*linuxstb ticks another combination off the list
15:53:16DerPapstlinuxstb: what combinations are missing?
15:58:19*jhMikeS sees green again :)
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16:00:48Terinjokesok, which developers are here?
16:02:07*jhMikeS never knows if he's here here or where he is :)
16:02:24bluebrotherTerinjokes, try /who rockbox/* in your irc client
16:02:27Terinjokesok, well then i'll wait :D
16:02:42linuxstbDerPapst: I haven't really got a list, but bluey- was the first Intel Mac OS X user.
16:02:58linuxstbbluey-: Did you compile ipodpatcher yourself, or use the binary in the zip file I linked you to?
16:02:58DerPapstaha ok :)
16:03:02Terinjokesah, yes, i really need to get my mask back :D
16:03:08bluey-wow now i`m really proud :P
16:03:24bluey-i used the binary from the zip and the scramble from papst
16:03:43linuxstbOK, thanks.
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16:04:23Terinjokeswell, I've re-installed MacOSX, and decided to another have a try at compiling rockbox
16:05:05DerPapsti talked to someone who has a mac (don't know whether ppc or intel) and a restored 5.5G 30GB ipod. he had problems with the ipodpathcer binary.
16:05:18DerPapst[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk1
16:05:19DerPapst[INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes
16:05:19DerPapst[ERR] Bad boot sector signature
16:05:48bluey-could be hfs related if he restored it with macosx
16:05:56TerinjokesSo, can anyone tell me what I need for (cross) compiling?
16:06:06DerPapstyes it's a hfs+ formatted ipod
16:06:20bluey-i`m on fat
16:06:50Terinjokesthe ipod installation for MacOSX has nice instructions for changing it to fat
16:07:09DerPapstbut ipodpathcer should work on hfs+ ipods too ar am i wrong?
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16:07:32DerPapsti know.. but he woanted to use iPL not rockbox
16:07:56Terinjokesoh... well thats another story...
16:08:10DerPapstand the kernel can only work on hfs+ 5.5G ipods fine
16:08:25DerPapstotherwise you get problems with rootfs
16:10:05Terinjokesok, i checked out the code... now what do i need for cross compiling?
16:10:26DerPapstwhat target?
16:10:35Terinjokesipod nanos
16:10:45DerPapstthe arm-toolchain
16:11:30Terinjokesdid anyone else have problems with the thing in tools/ or was that just me?
16:14:27linuxstbDerPapst: No, ipodpatcher only works with FAT32 ipods.
16:14:33man_how i can see charging is accomplished?
16:14:47DerPapstthat explains it -.-
16:15:23DerPapstcan you make it working with hfs+ ipod too?
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16:17:01cA1mAnhello, how does battery life of iaudio compare with the original fw? (i'm hesitating to buy a iaudio or ipod... and seeing that the iaudio fw does not suit my needs, this would be a decisive point)
16:17:47cA1mAnis it possible that it will SURPASS the batt. life of the original fw? what about the iPod? thanks
16:17:51linuxstbDerPapst: Anything's possible... But it's not a priority. It would just require code to understand the Apple Partition Map instead of the DOS partition table.
16:18:25linuxstbcA1mAn: Rockbox is likely to surpass the original firmware on the iaudio (if it doesn't already). ipods are an unknown quantity due to the complete lack of hardware information.
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16:19:05linuxstbI would guess that currently Rockbox is at least equal to the iaudio firmware. On the ipods, it's significantly less.
16:19:15linuxstb^battery life
16:19:25DerPapstlinuxstb: i can get the partitiontable from an HFS+ 30GB 5.5G ipod if you want to.
16:19:33cA1mAnlinuxstb: so if i'm going to install rockbox anyway, since i use linux, should i better go with the iaudio (also for the future, are the developpement of both the same speed)
16:19:52linuxstbDerPapst: Thanks, but I've got no real interest in HFS+ support.
16:20:01linuxstbThe code's in CVS though...
16:20:15DerPapst:-/ ok
16:21:11cA1mAnand why does it say *Power handling: 10%* on, shouldn't this be updated then!?
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16:22:54Terinjokeslol, theres another bug in MacOSX...
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16:23:50bluey-which one
16:24:10Terinjokesthe trash can won't empty...
16:24:35bluey-yeah guess its a crappy finder problem . one more..
16:24:38Terinjokeslike i empty it, and it makes the emptied noise, but everything is still there
16:24:53Terinjokesbluey: i though apple was going to update finder for leopard?
16:25:22bluey-dunno if the do but it is really recommended
16:25:28bluey-it really sucks.
16:25:42Terinjokesthey've added an 'idiots finder'
16:25:46bluey-mostly the refresh problem is annoying as hell
16:26:08Terinjokestrue, true
16:26:47bluey-mhh but i heared there will be zfs in leopard :P
16:27:09Terinjokesit is, just you can't install the OS on it (yet...)
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16:28:38bluey-well it isn`t out yet but it would be great feature. i`m wondering if timemashine will take advantage of it
16:29:04Terinjokesi haven't messed around with time machine yet...
16:30:12bluey-and how is leopard?
16:30:33linuxstb*cough* #rockbox *cough*
16:30:46Terinjokeslinux, its all UNIX :D
16:31:09linuxstbYes, but still nothing to do with Rockbox...
16:32:15Terinjokesno, no... its luser that crashed the internet :D
16:32:33daurnimatorrockybox killed da radio star
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16:32:52Terinjokesanywho i'm compiling the gcc stuff for cross compiling now
16:37:35Terinjokeshow did rockybox kill da radio star?
16:39:25BiptoNca1man: i have had rockbox on my iaudio x5 since june, I listen to it daily from 730 am to 430pm, I have it last as long as 600pm with no lunch break in the day
16:39:44daurnimatorTerinjokes: with a roundhouse kick
16:39:57BiptoNca1man: 90% of my music are ogg encoded at -q 10 or 6
16:40:29Terinjokesdaurnimator, no that what restore an old mans eyesight
16:40:30cA1mAnBiptoN: does this mean battery life lasts longer than with original fw?
16:41:02BiptoNcaiman: but as the name states ROCKBOX ROCKS!
16:41:17BiptoNit was easy to give up some little features to run RB
16:41:34TerinjokesBiptoN, what if people like rap, or R&B, or maybe country, thats kinda mean...
16:41:59BiptoNstill when the battery was good 10+ hours on RB was pretty snazzy, playin oggs all day
16:42:12BiptoNi can only comment on what i've experienced it do ;)
16:42:32BiptoNio do have some sissy lala and classical mixed with metal
16:42:36Terinjokesditto, except i only listen for maybe 30minutes aday
16:42:41cA1mAnBiptoN: what features are you missing then?
16:42:59Terinjokesbipton, your probably the one who scrobbles all that metal on
16:43:19cA1mAnbtw does RB support jpg album art ? now that would be great
16:43:26cA1mAnon iaudio
16:43:46Terinjokesno album art
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16:44:52BiptoNthey have a patch for it in flyspray i believe
16:45:05cA1mAnalso for jpg?
16:45:15Terinjokesno, bmp
16:45:18cA1mAnbecause last time i checked it was only bmp :-(
16:45:24Terinjokesas wpd only supports bmp
16:45:39cA1mAnis there hope for it to support jpg one day?
16:45:57bluebrotherit's more because decoding it on the target needs more time (->battery) and can easily be done in advantage
16:46:41BiptoNca1man: missin video and usbtogo
16:46:43Terinjokespersonally i could care less about battery, i listen for 30 minutes a day... but i understand others :D
16:46:55Terinjokesyeah, disk mode sucks!
16:47:19bluebrotherI need my player for several hours a day ...
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16:47:29cA1mAnBiptoN: doe voice recordning work?
16:47:41BiptoNca1man: neither one i have no concern for on my "music" player, boot time is wayyyy quick with rb instead of stock firmware also
16:47:51BiptoNvoice is a go
16:47:52cA1mAnTerinjokes: battery life is the most important aspect :-)
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16:47:56BiptoNradio works
16:48:09Linas5good morning
16:48:20BiptoNlast time i used fm recording it didn't work so well ,that was a few months ago though
16:48:30cA1mAnis the developpement of RB for iAudio still active?
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16:48:48BiptoNseems like they're all over it
16:48:50Linas5anyone in the mood to answer a really stupid question for me
16:48:52cA1mAnbut not as active as for ipod i guess
16:49:12BiptoNi think the ipods kicked into higher gear since the 5.5 release
16:49:26BiptoNthe folks here would know better than me
16:49:44Linas5what does rockbox have over the cowon firmware that would make me want to choose it?
16:50:05cA1mAnLinas5: a lot like gapless playback, id3 tag browsing
16:50:14cA1mAnthat were the main points for ME
16:50:20cA1mAnor would be :-) support
16:51:24BiptoNalot more codecs linas5
16:51:27Linas5couldnt find the list of stuffs
16:51:38BiptoNrecording to wav, wavpack, and mp3
16:51:43cA1mAnwhen will the battery life for the ipod be last as long as with the original firware; is there any approx. info for this?
16:51:43bluebrotherthat page is linked on the frontpage ...
16:51:58Linas5well im just blind/stupid/stuff bluebrother =P
16:51:59Terinjokesthere has to optimasations
16:52:07BiptoNplays flac compressed with -8 option
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16:53:43*Terinjokes wonders if there is a zunelinux project
16:54:11BiptoNi wondered that myself
16:54:30Terinjokesi googled but nothing came up
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17:01:49*Cassandra shrugs. Zune is another Microsoft Bob.
17:02:04CassandraI predict it'll sink without trace within a year.
17:02:09Terinjokesthey had linux on bob... right?
17:02:52CassandraIt doesn't offer anything that Apple/iTunes can't offer (that people actually want). So there's no real reason for its target market to switch.
17:03:10CassandraPlus a seperate marketplace means tune availability will be less.
17:03:43n1sbut they have enogh money to pump in to keep it afloat.
17:03:46CassandraWhich will also put the target market off. Especially those who already have DRMed music.
17:04:16CassandraThis is true, but the question is what reason would they have to do so.
17:04:20n1sYes, that's one of the stupidest things with drm, the friggin locins
17:04:48TerinjokesCassandra, as a mac user I don't understand why, but people hate itunes for some reason
17:04:59CassandraFrankly, if they'd said "no DRM" they might've stood a chance.
17:05:13n1smaybe they will try to do what they did with the xbox
17:05:39CassandraThey're big enough to get the record companies on board, and the current climate in the music industry is moving away from DRM anyway.
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17:06:06Terinjokeswhat sony to move away from DRM?
17:06:16CassandraAnd then they would have had a clear market advantage over MS.
17:06:27CassandraSony will probably be the last ones to go.
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17:07:07n1sIMO a drm implementation isn't good until it doesn't get in the way when you want to do perfectly legal stuff, or locks you in to a certain type of player/oftware/whatever.
17:07:24CassandraIt's not happening yet, but over the next couple of years I expect more and more record companies to release DRM free music.
17:07:42*n1s hopes Cassandra is right
17:07:50Cassandran1s, best DRM implementation I've seen - Valve's Steam.
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17:09:02CassandraPretty much user transparent, and just works. More importantly it allows me to do anything I would want to do with my software that I've bought (re-install it on a new machine, play on any PC I have access to).
17:09:11BiptoNsteam is a pretty awsome ssytem they have developed
17:09:34CassandraObviously this can't work for music, because music needs to be playable on a CD player too, but ...
17:10:11CassandraDRM isn't inherently evil, just DRM that takes away fair use rights.
17:10:28n1sI don't play games anymore so I haven't dealt with steam, but it sure sounds pretty nice, also the portability of a pc game isn't very important, users don't expect to play it in the car cd player :-)
17:10:30TerinjokesLOL, i laugh at sony, i have a couple cds made by sony, i put it in my computer, and see directories full of exes and dlls, i find a readme file, I open it and its like "to play this cd in windows, please install the sony cd player. You can not listen to this cd in other applications. To listen to tracks on mp3 players, please use the send to mp3 button in the sony player. Your mp3 device must support DRM. iPods not support." then i
17:10:30Terinjokes"Macintosh users may continue to listen normally, and are not required to install anything"
17:10:51CassandraUnfortunately in the case of music, it's pretty much impossible not to do the latter so all music DRM is of the evil type.
17:11:37CassandraTerinjokes, so only PC users are pirates, eh?
17:11:49Terinjokesi guess...
17:11:54CassandraI think the RIAA and co have devalued the word pirate.
17:12:24CassandraI propose from now on we call them "music paedophiles". Much more shocking, and just as descriptively accurate.
17:12:37n1syes, where's all the swashbucklin' (or whatever they call it)?
17:12:50n1sand the cannons :-)
17:13:49PaulPositionBarrywardell - So, how are things going on the Sansa and H10 front? I guess I could go and read the Sansa thread, so forget that one, but how about the H10..? Found out why it'd need both new-Loader and new-RB? Have you guys decided on a name for the OF.bin/Original.mi4/...?
17:13:55*Terinjokes grabs his swore, arr mateys
17:14:11PaulPositionOr "were you enjoying your weekend before I came in barging with stupid questions"?
17:15:01Terinjokesyeah, my weekend is doing great, was raining here yesterday. That kinda sucked. Should probably head to the beach today, nice and sunny
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17:15:31TouSello :)
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17:15:48ArathisPaulPosition: good questions. there was much discussion on the channel the last days about these things, but I can't tell you what came out :/
17:16:00*Arathis wants to know it himself ..
17:16:03PaulPositionbarry - hehe...
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17:16:10barrywardellPaulPosition: nothing has really changed there. still calling it OF.bin for now.
17:16:35barrywardellwaiting for dan_a to test the new crt0 on his 3g ipod
17:16:41TouSis it ok to ask/talk about suppostish stuff here? :)
17:16:42barrywardelland then I will commit the changes
17:16:53PaulPositionbarrywardell - Anything else changes in there? Ah, I guess that gave me part of an answer :)
17:17:58barrywardellwe have a working (kind of) scrollwheel on the Sansa
17:18:38*DerPapst knows for a fact that 1337 sp33k is very evil: ;)
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17:18:55TouSI installed a theme last night for my 5g ipod with rockbox latest build and now the pc wont picup my ipod, diskmode/apple OS neither connect, anyone know why that might happen, or a way to fix?
17:18:57PaulPositionbarrywardell - cool :) I guess it won't be adaptable to the h10 pad though (isn't the sansa wheel kind of going click-click-click like a mouse wheel for example?)
17:19:09dan_abarrywardell: My better half keeps forgetting to give me my charger back. I'll test it ASAP!
17:19:09barrywardellno, not adaptable
17:19:22TerinjokesTouS, try another computer?
17:19:26barrywardelldan_a: thanks
17:19:59PaulPositionTouS - Tried rebooting the PC? Sometimes when I connected and disconnected my DAP too often, it wont get recognised...
17:20:06barrywardellPaulPosition: i'm working on updating the recording patch. it's fairly complicated though
17:20:37TouSI dont have another PC :(, no harm in trying a reboot tho I guess
17:20:39barrywardelland I don't fully understand the recording system in Rockbox yet
17:20:44TouSI will come back in a few
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17:20:58PaulPositionbarrywardell - judging from all the flyspray entries about recording, I'd say your being gentle calling it 'fairly complicated'.. :p
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17:23:24barrywardelli has been improving recently. it's much easier to follow now than it was before
17:23:39TouShaha rebooting worked, Im sorry for panicking ;(
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17:24:11PaulPositionTous - No problem, dude. It works, then that's good.
17:25:47TouSCan I ask one more Q? its about Idoom, but u guys prolly know, if I download an Idoom pck of games(legal ones) I just need to steal them wads to make it work in Rockdoom right? :)
17:26:04TouSshove em in Addons?
17:33:22PaulPositionTouS - Sorry, I haven't tried playing doom. Manual should be pretty straightforward.
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17:38:16daurnimatoroh well, i gtg, nigiht all
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17:47:04TouSok well thnx again :) bye
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18:02:25BHSPitMonkeyhey guys
18:02:51DerPapstheh ^^
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18:27:43ElaraI have a random question regarding creating playlists. Can you create a playlist on your computer, the way you can a *.cfg file, and then transfer it over to your Ipod, or do you have to add each song as you play it on your Ipod, and then save the resultant playlist that you created? Any help appreciated.:-)
18:28:32BetaCookiesWhat is the best way to charge my iPod nano running rockbox?
18:28:47n1sElara: yes you can, standard m3u files are supported by rockbox, best is if they are utf8 encoded.
18:29:19DerPapstBetaCookies: the wall charger
18:29:39BetaCookiesI don't have a wall charger, only a USB cord. o.o
18:29:44*zylche needs to pickup a ipod charger...
18:30:06BetaCookieszylche no time requirement, just I don't know how to charge it because it doesn't get charged on my dock because it isn't in disk mode
18:30:09ElaraThanks n1s!
18:30:29zylchecheap ass dock!
18:30:31*zylche kicks it
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18:31:36BetaCookieszylche wasn't cheap :P
18:33:40Linas5but it is bose...
18:39:17BetaCookiesbut still
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18:48:04DerPapstis this bose thingy not something like a better wall charger?
18:48:43BetaCookieswell it is like one
18:49:01DerPapstso can't your charge your iPod with it?
18:49:04BetaCookiesbut I thought that when rockbox is running, it can only draw 1/5 the power the apple firmware can..
18:49:11BetaCookiesso it takes a LOT longer
18:49:28BetaCookiesand I still don't really know if it is charging, because I'm not sure how decent the power bar is.
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18:50:34DerPapsti think there is somewere a menu that shows the accu status
18:51:24BetaCookieswell i dont know where it is
18:51:56DerPapstme either... only tried rockbox on my 3G for about 30min ;)
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18:54:12linuxstb_BetaCookies: Why don't you just put your ipod into diskmode, or start the main Apple firmware?
18:54:38BetaCookieshow do I start the main apple firmware? :P
18:54:59BetaCookieson startip
18:55:24BetaCookiesokay nevermind :P it works now
18:55:55DerPapstheh.. i thoght you wanted to stay in rb ^^
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18:56:10BetaCookiesheh dont need to
18:56:23BetaCookiesi dont have my music in the original firmware though
18:56:50BetaCookiesthere should be a way to make a symlink to the music dir :\
18:57:28BetaCookieswell i'm gonna go copy my music, get itunes, and i'm removing rockbox. i dont relaly see any advantages :|
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18:58:28PaulPositionbetacookies - to each his own. Feel free to come back and see how progress has been when ever you want. :p
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18:59:06BetaCookiesokay well thats too much work.
18:59:09BetaCookiesi'll just leave it on
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19:02:10dan_aHi all. I think that the GPIO interrupt on the Sansa is different to the iPod and the H10. Is there any way I can work out what it is now without reading the disassembly for the original firmware?
19:03:28Juice^hi, i just tried the cvs build for sansa e200.. and i cant figure how to switch back to the normal firmware booting :p
19:03:43PaulPositionI really should learn how to check out cvs code only for the files that updated or that I modified (ie, create a clean, up to date cvs from a dirty, somewhat aged source install).. cvs 'up' wouldn't touch what I modified, right?
19:03:46Juice^i looks promising
19:04:30PaulPositionJuice - You might need the original firmware file renamed and/or decrypted or something if it's anything like the H10...
19:05:09dan_aJuice^: You need the mi4 file for your original firmware. Then go into the emergency recovery mode (by turning the Sansa on with hold on and record pressed) and just copy the .mi4 file across.
19:05:46Juice^I tried that, but it just booted up rockbox, but i'll give it a try again
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19:07:40dan_aJuice^: When you disconnect the USB (by doing something like "safely remove hardware" in Windows) it will tell you it's upgrading the firmware.
19:08:10Juice^seems to be working now
19:08:14barrywardellPaulPosition: if you do cvs up -C it will overwrite all modified files with the latest cvs version
19:08:22Juice^thanks :)
19:09:27PaulPositionbarrywardell - Now that's something! Thanks a lot. I don't care much about *my* bandwidth but I was beginning to think I was gonna cost the rb project its shirt.
19:09:58spughow can I charge my H320 with a USB cable?
19:10:05spugsomeone said to hold Rec while inserting
19:10:13LloreanAnd did you try that?
19:10:17spugof course
19:10:22spugit doesn't seem to charge then, but not to go into UMS mode either
19:10:40spugbut some weird icon of a light bulb or something appears beside the battery meter
19:10:49LloreanLike.. an electrical plug?
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19:11:06spugnot like the plug that appears with the charger, at least
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19:11:33LloreanWell, I'm not sure if it uses the same icon or not, as all devices I have only have one method of charging.
19:11:58spugthe battery meter doesn't seem to imply either though
19:12:06spugbut maybe that's removed from the build or something
19:12:06barrywardelllinuxstb: I've tried updating the recording patch. I can't get it to work though. It stays at 0:00 when I start recording and the peak meter stays at whatever value it has when entering the recording screen. here's where I'm at at the moment:">
19:12:33barrywardellI'm having difficulty understanding the recording code, so any tips are welcome
19:12:47spugwhen removing the USB cable, the icon changes into the plug for a split second before disappearing
19:13:34Lloreanspug: Why not actually see if the power goes up or down then?
19:14:29spuggood idea!
19:14:53spugjust checking if someone knew of a different USB mode or something that the manual doesn't say anything about
19:14:57spugbut i'll try that
19:15:32*Llorean wonders why we'd leave it out of the manual.
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19:16:30webguest60yo, does the new rockbox work on the newer 80gb ipod video?
19:16:51linuxstbbarrywardell: My first suggestion would be to make sure the FIQ handler is being called. I would create a new (global) variable called something like fiq_count, increment it in the fiq handler, and display it in the recording screen.
19:16:51DerPapstonly 5.5G 30GB
19:17:12Juice^dan_a: just copy over the mi4 rom, and unplug the usb cable right?
19:17:26webguest60wil it eventually be cracked?
19:17:50linuxstbNo-one can say...
19:18:14barrywardelllinuxstb: i did put a logf() at the start of fiq_record() and it seemed to get called quite a few times
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19:20:19SUSaiyanthat was random
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19:20:35Juice^dan_a: nevermind, got it working now
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19:21:51linuxstbbarrywardell: If the FIQ is being repeated called, then it would seem all the audio codec/PortalPlayer setup has been done right, so I'm not sure where to look... I would suggest asking jhMikeS.
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19:24:09Kasperleis it normal for rockbox to only stop playing around 2-4 seconds after pressing the play/pause button on iPods?
19:24:52barrywardelllinuxstb: ok, thanks. i'll ask him about it
19:25:00*jhMikeS watches
19:25:25linuxstbKasperle: As Apple didn't build a stop button, a long press on PLAY is mapped stop. So yes, a delay is expected.
19:26:00jhMikeSbarrywardell: fiq_record()? a new function. is the code available?
19:26:38SUSaiyanhuh? why is there even a need for a stop button
19:27:13Kasperlelinuxstb: but i meant a short press of that button. then rockbox switches to "pause" after a while. if i hold the play/pause button down, rockbox will return to the file browser after roughly the same time
19:27:40SUSaiyanindeed, it seems to lag a bit sometimes
19:27:41*jhMikeS dropped by his IRC client for a sec and is eagerly awaiting more information... :)
19:27:53PaulPositionKasperle - You using fade-in fade out on pause maybe?
19:28:24PaulPositionOh right, it doesn't exist...
19:28:28PaulPositionGotta stop dirnking.
19:28:38*PaulPosition shuts up
19:29:46jhMikeSbarrywardell: did you leave? I just got here and saw the conversion and now you've vanished and you were going to ask me something? ??
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19:31:50TFGBDWindows CE!
19:32:21SUSaiyanmore random stuff?
19:32:59SUSaiyani wonder if windows ce would run on an ipod
19:33:37TFGBDIf ported, yes.
19:33:49TFGBDThey have some kind of ARM processor...yes?
19:34:06SUSaiyandual core ARM7 ;)
19:34:10TFGBDCE could run on the PSP too, if someone went to the effort of porting it.
19:34:14Kasperlebut it lacks an mmu, doesn't it?
19:34:18DerPapsti don't think it will work.
19:34:19TFGBDIt supports ARM, MIPS SH3/SH4, and x86
19:34:22Soapporting w/o source is kinda hard.
19:34:24TFGBDI guess not then.
19:34:45TFGBDWell, you get the kernel source and source for most of the drivers in CE.
19:34:46barrywardelljhMikeS: sorry. i was away for a minute
19:34:59Kasperleand quite likely an mmu
19:35:08TFGBDYeah, CE needs MMU, I think.
19:35:22jhMikeSbarrywardell: what do you need to know about the recording code? I'll check out the diff too.
19:35:28n1sanybody up for testing a patch? (not the disk poweroff ;-))
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19:35:30barrywardelli've been trying to update FS #6096
19:36:10barrywardellthat's my attempt at an updated verwion
19:36:30jhMikeSgot it
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19:37:50PaulPositionn1s - what target / what does it do ?
19:37:53jhMikeSI don't see a pcm_rec_dma_start, pcm_rec_dma_stop, pcm_init_recording or pcm_close_recording. Those are required by the interface even if they're empty
19:38:31barrywardelljhMikeS: I missed a couple of files
19:38:47n1sPaulPosition: any bitmap target, adds colon and semicolon to the default keyboard and removes some unneccesary stuff from archos build.
19:39:08barrywardelli've uploaded an updated patch
19:39:24jhMikeSsame url?
19:39:44barrywardellit's mainly the stuff in pcm-pp.c that i'm unsure about
19:40:02TFGBDAnyway.. I meantion Windows CE because a port of the Win32 rockbox simulator would be quite interesting on devices like the Zune, other Portable Media Centers, Pocket PCs, etc.
19:40:24jhMikeSprobably shouldn't be peak calculation in fiq_record though
19:40:41TFGBDI just wish I had the skill in C programming to port something like that...
19:40:42n1sif anyone wants to test it, feel free
19:41:13n1sTFGBD: now why would you want to run rhe _sim_ on the zune?
19:41:47TFGBDrhe _sim_= the simulator for win32/linux
19:41:59n1sthe sim
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19:42:21jhMikeSI don't see fiq_record calling the registered callback
19:42:38TFGBDWhy not? Its should be much easier than porting the whole thing...and it would still allow use of the built in functions.
19:42:48barrywardellcould that cause it to stay at 0:00 elapsed?
19:42:57TFGBDAnd this app of yours seems like it would be quite interesting on Pocket PCs, etc too.
19:43:09jhMikeSlook at pcm-coldfire.c and the pcm_rec_* functions and DMA1
19:43:22TFGBDMuch more userful on a portable computer than a win32 desktop/laptop. :P
19:43:56barrywardellthe more_ready()?
19:44:16jhMikeShow it calls it, yes
19:44:27n1sTFGBD: I would imagine that you would have to make some very drastic changes to rockbox to make it run/work well on top of win ce and keep most functionality
19:44:28jhMikeSDMA1 = fiq_record in effect
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19:45:44PaulPositionn1s - compiling a build with your patch now... Anything to look for? And (somewhat related) wouldn't the file renamer need to check and disallow them colons and semi's ?
19:46:15FranzBlattlersomeone can explain, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files?
19:46:22PaulPositionOh... I guess it already checks on filenames.. nvm
19:46:22TFGBDLike what?
19:46:31TFGBDIt uses a lot of Win32 only apis
19:46:42barrywardelljhMikeS: ok, i'll try adding that now.
19:46:59n1sPaulPosition: there is a patch by rasher for checking that, which imo should be committed, but the renaming already allowed some illegal chars...
19:47:01TFGBDIt must be somewhat cross platform if it can run on linux and win32...yes?
19:47:42TFGBDDoesn't it use SDL for most functionality?
19:48:43n1sTFGBD: it uses SDL so if you keep that, you'll have an extra layer on top of the os and rockbox wouldn't integrate very nicely if you just slap the sim on there, and there are lots of stuff that isn't implemented in the sim either.
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19:49:41barrywardelljhMikeS: does pcm_callback_more_ready = NULL not make the callback do nothing anyway?
19:49:45TFGBDStill.. good enough... Better than nothing. ;P
19:49:53TFGBDCE has SDL, though.
19:50:02TFGBDWhat does not work in the SIM?
19:50:09*FranzBlattler need help
19:50:43n1ssure, if someone makes a rockbox application that runs on ce I'm sure it could be made very nice, but I don't think it will be easy.
19:50:59n1sand does the zune allow other apps to run?
19:51:00jhMikeSbarrywardell: if the callback is NULL, it records the specified amount of data and stops
19:51:10jhMikeSThe callback is set in pcm_record
19:51:14n1sFranzBlattler: ask, or we can't help you
19:51:21TFGBDNo. But once someone cracks it to run 3rd party exes, it should be able to.
19:51:23barrywardellah, ok.
19:51:25jhMikeSpcm_record_data rather
19:51:26TFGBDIt seems they are quite close.
19:51:33TFGBDJust need to find a way "in"
19:51:42FranzBlattler(19:48:33) (FranzBlattler) someone can explain me, how long it takes to updare the tagcache with 6600 ogg files?
19:52:06TFGBDIt happened to that Gizmondo Game console, though late. (the company is gone)
19:52:26TFGBDThough, that already let you run EXEs...they just needed to be signed.
19:52:28jhMikeSbarrywardell: I think the same logic as in DMA1 should work just fine from the looks of it.
19:53:13TFGBDn1s: Why don't you think it would be easy? It at least has already been ported to win32 and linux...right?
19:53:30TFGBDWhat do you think WinCE lacks that would make it so difficult?
19:53:43n1sFranzBlattler: It depends on 1) which player you have, 2)disk fragmentation 3) how many files will need to be updated
19:54:00SoapTFGBD: WinCE is no more.
19:54:15TFGBDCE 6 just came out a few weeks ago, silly :P
19:54:17FranzBlattler1) ipod video 2) dont know ^^ 3) 6600 files
19:54:54TFGBDDo not confuse the marketing side (Windows Mobile, Pocket PC, Smartphone, etc) with the underlying OS (Windows CE)
19:55:05TFGBDThey are all still Windows CE just the same.
19:55:11n1sTFGBD: recording, fmradio, and anything that does stuff to the hardware, like backlight, volume etc, will all have to be implemented through whatever api the zune os exposes
19:55:18TFGBDAh. I see
19:55:25TFGBDwell, that does not seem like a big loss.
19:55:34lexlinuxstb: hey
19:55:42TFGBDMost CE devices lack an fm radio anyhow.
19:56:09TFGBDand I guess some custom plugin could be made using the dlls on the zune if a zune specific version would be made.
19:56:09n1sFranzBlattler: well, if all the files are going to be added it will take a while, maybe an hour, I don't remember how long it took on my h300
19:56:31barrywardelljhMikeS: I've just tried this:
19:56:57FranzBlattlerone hour? i update for weeks and there are only 2000 files ^^
19:57:06TFGBDFor the zune, I'm sure someone could figure out how to access the APIs to control the various hardware devices.
19:57:28n1sFranzBlattler: have your ipod been on for weeks?
19:57:29TFGBDJust look at the extracted dlls in depends.exe even...
19:57:54FranzBlattlerno. for one hour, than the energy is gone
19:58:03Soapso the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS?
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19:59:05barrywardelljhMikeS: with that, I got "more ready" once and didn't get "end" at all
19:59:11FranzBlattlerbut i make this for weeks
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19:59:46n1sFranzBlattler: The only tip I can give you is to add music in several steps, a couple of hundred songs at a time and see if it works ok,
19:59:55jhMikeSbarrywardell: It should probably not get end in this situation because recording never runs out or shouldn't. it is stopped explicitly
20:00:17FranzBlattlermaybe the only step. i hop i have enough space on my hdd ^^
20:00:26n1salso are you sure that it is updating, does the disk "led" flash?
20:00:56jhMikeSpcm_record_more has to enable the interrupt for the next transfer
20:01:05DigammaIs there anyone here tied to the development of the Sansa e200 port?
20:01:39barrywardellah, ok. i'll add that too
20:01:40*n1s points at barrywardell
20:02:01lex[INFO] Ipod model: Video (aka 5th Generation)
20:02:01lex[ERR] Model name in input file (CTYP) doesn't match ipod model (ipvd)
20:02:01lex[ERR] −−add-bootloader failed.
20:02:03lexwtf? :(
20:02:15FranzBlattlerwell. it makes a noise and in the upper statusbar is a cd
20:02:29DerPapstlex: did you try to install loader 2?
20:02:32jhMikeSbarrywardell: shouldn't IISCONFIG |= 0x01 be in pcm_record_more as the last line? You disabled it before calling the callback
20:02:35lexi'm trying to install...
20:02:42lexis that the right one
20:02:55lexi found that from the betainstallation site
20:03:16lexso i just need that 0.5 ipodpatcher and that loader?
20:03:21barrywardelljhMikeS: yes, true. I'm going to try that now...
20:03:35jhMikeSbarrywardell: as the last line of pcm_record_more?
20:03:48DerPapstlex: what ipod do you have
20:03:53lexDerPapst: 5.5G, 30GB
20:04:10DerPapstlex: is your firmwarepartition unchanged?
20:04:14lexi guess so
20:04:16barrywardellyes. so then it doesn't need to be in fiq_record at all?
20:04:21lexi just today restored it
20:04:26DerPapstlex: and it's a winpod?
20:04:29lexhmm wait
20:04:34n1sbarrywardell: sorry, I thought you were part of the sansa stuff
20:04:38lexmaybe i accidentally did something to it
20:04:40DerPapstlex: restored on a mac?
20:04:52lexhow can i restore the firmware partition, i have it right there
20:04:55jhMikeSjust reenable the interrupt in pcm_record_more
20:05:02lexexactly 94 megabytes
20:05:06DerPapstlex: with itunes
20:05:15lexhmm i guess it's the original
20:05:22lexbecause i didn't write anything into it
20:05:32lexbut what's the problem then
20:05:45jhMikeSbarrywardell: the fiq_record function you pastbined looked fine
20:05:50lexC:\Documents and Settings\Lex\Työpöytä\rockbox>ipodpatcher 3 -a bootloader-ipodv
20:06:04lexdoes it matter it's on my desktop, not on C:? :(
20:06:15DerPapstlex: i still try to understand
20:06:20Soapnot as long as you can navigate to them from the command line.
20:06:29DerPapstno. the location shouldn't matter
20:06:46lexinput file, maybe the loader is not good
20:07:10lex but isn't it that?
20:07:15barrywardelln1s, Digamma: yes I am involved in the Sansa port
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20:07:51barrywardelljhMikeS: that was it! thanks for the help
20:08:02DerPapstlex: get this one:
20:08:14jhMikeSbarrywardell: np...glad to hear it work :)
20:08:39lexDerPapst: heh, the loader in that is 60 kilobytes, it was 1 kilobyte in my one :p
20:09:06DerPapstthe links aren't working on this page
20:09:09Digammabarrywardell; is there any light at the end of the tunnel in regard to including SOUND in the rockbox port?
20:09:14lexyay it works
20:09:15DerPapstuse the files from this archive
20:09:21lexlet's see does it boot now
20:09:24DerPapstfine :)
20:09:29TFGBDYeah, of course the Zune runs CE :P
20:09:37TFGBDJust like the Toshiba Gigabeat S did.
20:09:42lexyes, it boots, thanks :)
20:09:46TFGBDAll of the Portable Media Centers are running Windows CE.
20:09:47barrywardelljhMikeS: while you're here. any reason why you didn't move the pcm_dma_start stuff into target tree for arm/pp?
20:09:56lexand can i boot into apple os by holding the menu?
20:09:58TFGBDIts actually one of the 3 OSes in the
20:10:02linuxstblex: Those links on the wiki page don't work yet - you were just downloading an HTML page saying the file doesn't exist...
20:10:08TFGBDIts actually one of the 3 OSes in the "Windows Mobile" marketing ubrella.
20:10:08linuxstblex: Use the hold switch
20:10:12barrywardellDigamma: yes, there is good progress on that. there are reports of almost working sound :)
20:10:24lexbut could i use the ipl2 some day
20:10:25TFGBD"Windows Mobile for: Smartphone, Pocket PC, and Portable Media Center
20:10:30DerPapstlinuxstb types faster...
20:10:36DerPapstthen me
20:10:42Digammabarrywardell, any chance of a release soon?
20:11:00DerPapstlex: yes you can
20:11:04lexhow then
20:11:21Digammaanyway; thank you VERY much barrywardell
20:11:25barrywardellDigamma: there are lots of Sansa improvements upcoming
20:11:43DerPapstyou have to use a tool called scramble.
20:11:48barrywardellDigamma: at the moment we're waiting for a datasheet for the dac in the sansa
20:12:06Digammahavent you been waiting for that since march?
20:12:11TFGBDThe big difference between WM for PMC (as on the Zune) and Pocket PC/Smartphone is that PMC is a platform that is closed to 3rd party software.
20:12:15TFGBD(until its hacked) ;P
20:12:20barrywardellno, only for a couple of days
20:12:38DerPapstlex: or get this loader2:
20:12:51DigammaSorry; I havent been following Rockbox for more than a few days. I have just been reading up on it now.
20:13:10lexDerPapst: and that includes it? :)
20:13:29lexDerPapst: but do i need to restore my ipod before adding that
20:13:58DerPapstyou can add it with -a
20:14:02lexoh, great
20:14:05jhMikeSbarrywardell: I hestiate to move stuff to target/ for a player I don't own or one too very different cause I can't test it. I suppose a pcm-arm/pp.c or the like is in order though.
20:14:21DerPapstit'll replace the other loader
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20:14:55lexi see
20:15:23DerPapstlex: do you have made a backup?
20:15:50lexyes i did
20:15:54lexfrom the original
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20:16:42TFGBDSo...thoughts on the Zune and CE? :P
20:16:44barrywardelljhMikeS: i'll make the move when I commit the recording stuff
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20:17:21lexwow nice loader
20:17:25lexthank you DerPapst again :)
20:17:39jhMikeSpcm_playback should ultimately have no hardware banging code left at all. that was the idea :)
20:17:45DerPapstno problem
20:17:51PaulPositionn1s - keyboard seems to work allright, on my H10 5gb (128*128 screen).. Edited some text, anyway.
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20:18:51TFGBD<Soap> so the Zune is running CE? Not its own OS? < I'm suprise you would think its running anything else. ;P
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20:19:00TFGBDIt is sold by MS so, of course its running CE ;P
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20:19:10TFGBDMy MS Router runs CE as well. :)
20:19:23jhMikeSpcm_mute should stay there though cause I'm gonna pull it out of pcm-coldfire.c since the audio chip functions were all renamed audiohw_*.
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20:20:49lexWOW NICE
20:21:04lexi need only to put my finger onto the clickwheel and it moves in pokemon :p
20:21:15lexmy photo couldn't do that
20:21:44DerPapstlex: rockboy?
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20:21:55lexi'm sorry the developer passed away :(
20:22:28lexthis work nice, except no sound and a little fps
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20:23:48n1sPaulPosition: thanks for testing, I'll probaly committ this soon but would like an achos tester too.
20:25:09Nico_Pcan someone tell me what happens after a file is inserted in the playlist (and the plyslist was empty, so it starts playback) ?
20:25:43Nico_Pi want to intercept what's actually beign played
20:26:20Nico_Pbecause i want to add a cuesheet to the playlist, but make it so that the file that's actually played is the correspondong MP3 file
20:27:47jhMikeSbarrywardell: are the recordings actually good and play back fine? should check the mp3 format and see if I guessed right.
20:28:29barrywardellI'm doing some tests now. previously mp3 was broken, probably endianness issues
20:28:41jhMikeSbarrywardell: you should probably add an asm optimized swap_odd_even32 as well since the codecs use it
20:29:01barrywardelli'll look into that
20:29:09linuxstblet's hope the ipod/h10 is fast enough to encode mp3...
20:30:00n1sany archos owners (pr others up for testing) a small keyboard patch?
20:30:42n1sor others*
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20:31:13Cassandran1s: sure - can you post a link to a compiled Rockbox?
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20:31:40n1sI can build, what's your flavour?
20:31:55CassandraIt's fine actually. Where's the patch?
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20:32:34barrywardelljhMikeS, linuxstb: mp3 encoding works. i only encoded 5 seconds though
20:35:01jhMikeSif you got that much it's probably good to go. guess I guessed right about byte reversing it :)
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20:35:33CassandraBuilding now - what do you need me to test?
20:36:03barrywardellshould I be able to play an aiff recording on my device?
20:36:38n1sjust to see if the vkeyboard works ok, basically, and it's known that it's possible to rename files to illegal filenames, but it was before too.
20:37:20*zylche petitions against illegalising filenames!
20:37:27linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes, you should.
20:38:03n1szylche: you need a time machine and a draft copy of te fast standard to do that
20:38:13n1sFAT standars
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20:38:22barrywardellit doesn't work...not in VLC either
20:38:26*zylche orders a time machine from
20:40:45jhMikeSbarrywardell: if I didn't screw up the endian swap somewhere there
20:42:01barrywardelljhMikeS: here's my recording:">
20:42:32CassandraHmm. Next time copy the zip file away from the virtual machine, rather than extracting over SMB, I think.
20:42:43jhMikeShmmm...WMP says it's not good
20:42:53barrywardelljhMikeS: VLC gives me this error: "araw: bad parameters(bits/sample)"
20:43:50jhMikeSI'll check the header
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20:47:40Cassandran1s: Yeah, it's fine. I see : and ;, and I can change file names.
20:48:34n1sCassandra: thanks for testing, feel free to test the disk poweroff patch in the tracker too :-)
20:48:53jhMikeSsample size is showing as 0000 ... hmmm
20:49:33jhMikeS H_TO_BE32(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */
20:49:36jhMikeSshould be
20:49:41jhMikeS H_TO_BE16(PCM_DEPTH_BITS), /* sample_size */
20:49:47jhMikeSin aiff_enc.c
20:50:55jhMikeSline 62
20:51:14Cassandran1s: No time right now.
20:51:46n1sok, thanks anyway ;-)
20:52:27barrywardelljhMikeS: thanks. i'll test that change now...
20:53:22Nico_Pok guys, never mind, i found what i was looking for
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20:55:18Juice^is there anything needed to be tested for the sansa e200?
20:55:29TFGBDWindows CE pwn j00.
20:56:02[Gino]Does anyoneknow if the power managment on the iAudio x5/x5L complete, or does it still have a short(er) battery life than the original firmware?
20:56:08linuxstbbarrywardell: Nice work with the recording btw. How's it working compared to before?
20:56:26barrywardellplayback after recording still doesn't work
20:56:32barrywardellmp3 recording does work
20:57:10barrywardellhaven't tested gain control or different frequencies
20:57:27jhMikeSI think there might be some goofs in the macros ... rrrr
20:59:24barrywardelljhMikeS: it plays, but the sound is garbled
20:59:30barrywardellwith AIFF
21:00:41jhMikeSsome stuff looks wrong in the header
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21:01:28jhMikeSI think H_TO_BE32 isn't swapping right
21:02:23jhMikeSmmm...maybe not that...looks ok
21:02:43jhMikeSHeader size is shown as 00 00 00 12 = 18 big endian
21:02:50jhMikeSso that's ok
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21:05:22barrywardelljhMikeS: this is my new file">
21:05:45jhMikeSOk...I screwed up correcting the header but fixed it and the one you gave me played fine
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21:08:23barrywardellwhat do I need to change?
21:08:31jhMikeSbarrywardell: that's odd consider the first was fine exept for the sample_size field
21:09:13jhMikeSI don't know...did you change anything else?
21:09:45jhMikeSI heard you saying "testing, testing, testing" on the first
21:10:03barrywardelli'll try again
21:10:41barrywardellrecording is very very slow now
21:12:21barrywardelli must have changed something else too
21:13:44jhMikeSheader looks ok on the second
21:14:56jhMikeSyep, numbers are good there
21:18:02jhMikeSIn the audio editor looks like some wierd low f dampened oscillation
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21:18:58barrywardelli think I changed something that's slowing things down a lot
21:19:14barrywardelli also get Warning: 00000001
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21:21:11NailorHi. I came up with a problem and the latest daily build: My iPod keeps unmounting (on Ubuntu Linux) when I disk dump the first partition (in my case /dev/sda1)
21:21:36NailorDunno does this happen with other builds, I'm just trying the rockbox install
21:21:40Nailor..which now fails
21:23:21jhMikeSbarrywardell: that's a pcm buffer overflow
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21:23:50barrywardellthat probably also explains the extreme slowness all of a sudden
21:23:55barrywardelli don't know what I changed
21:26:03NailorAnyone here who has installed rockbox with linux?
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21:26:34jhMikeSit doesn't appear to involve the encoder to me atm. can you still do another format?
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21:27:35dionoeaNailor: try rmmod ehci_hcd
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21:27:56barrywardellthe recording screen is very slow no matter what format I use. A screen update takes over a second! it wasn't like that before. I'm trying to see what has changed
21:31:37Nailordionoea: I'll try, thanks.
21:33:29Nailordionoea: What does that module do, anyway?
21:34:15dionoeait's for USB2 support i think. And that somehow messes up with my ipod here...
21:34:32braden0000Does anybody here have rockbox working on thier sansa?
21:34:33dionoeausing uhci_hcd works fine
21:34:56NailorWell. Now the bootpartition.bin is 82 megabytes
21:35:02NailorBefore it was around 2 to 3
21:35:17Nailorand the ipod didn't unmount. Thanks =)
21:36:21amiconnUSB1.1 speed isn't what I would call fun...
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21:36:35dionoeahehe ...
21:36:36amiconnBut somehow linux doesn't like me as well wrt usb
21:36:42jhMikeSbarrywardell: dealing with the "what the hell did I change?" factor can be a bitch! :)
21:36:45dionoeabut does the apple rescue thing support USB2 ?
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21:37:22amiconnUSB2.0 looks like it's working, but sometimes messes up data in large files :/
21:37:25barrywardellespecially because I don't think I changed anything!
21:37:57*amiconn should stick to windows for usb at least atm
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21:38:06jhMikeSjust line 62 in aiff_enc.c ? that's make so sense and shouldn't affect other encoders. odd
21:38:10amiconndionoea: On mini G2 it definitely does
21:39:03amiconnBtw, if it wouldn't, linux wouldn't get into ehci trouble.
21:39:11jhMikeSIt's almost like the sample rate is set really high but the encoder thinks it's 44100
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21:39:46dionoeaamiconn: maybe the USB2 support is buggy ... which explains the issues people are runing into
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21:40:00jhMikeSBut I mean like way, way higher than 44100
21:41:21amiconndionoea: I'd rather blame linux
21:41:29Nailordionoea: that actually did the trick.
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21:41:44dionoeanah ... that's too easy. People always blame linux :)
21:41:58NailorThough, I've been noticing some really weird behaviour with my USB 2 on this desktop machine
21:42:20amiconnI don't have any problems with the ipod connected to windows, and otoh the data errors I mentioned happened with my H340 connected to my linux box, not the ipod
21:42:22NailorEg. my external drive keeps on shutting down and starting up again on some ports.
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21:44:43TFGBDWindows CE pwn j00.
21:45:07amiconnNailor: That might be a different problem. There are many external harddrives which violate the USB power specs (namely 2.5" drives)
21:45:55amiconn...and if the port adheres to the standard, it's supposed to shut down the device (instead of allowing it to draw excessive power)
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21:48:44Nailoramiconn: But I don't have that problem on my laptop, and not on all ports of this computer, so.. :)
21:48:58amiconnVery possible.
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21:56:08NailorNow my ipod displayed a some sort of a battery warning and won't turn up again even if plugged in
21:56:29CassandraHold down Menu+select for 10 secs or so.
21:57:49NailorThat did it, I guess.
21:58:00NailorHow can I tell is the rockbox recharging?
21:58:12NailorThe original iPod made it quite clear
21:58:18CassandraThe battery indicator on the status line will be moving.
21:58:41NailorIf I interpert it right, it appears to be full. Weird.
21:59:59Arathisbarrywardell: why didn't you just use 'diff file1 file2' to find the changes in the files. okay, that would only work if you have the old file anywhere ...
22:02:59Kasperlecvs status and cvs diff as well
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22:06:38[IDC]DragonBagder once published some photos of DevCon, does anybody have the url?
22:07:37barrywardellArathis: that's the problem. I don't have the old file...
22:08:20petur[IDC]Dragon: isn't there a link to devcon anymore?
22:08:45[IDC]Dragonyes, in the wiki, but not with the pictures
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22:09:11[IDC]Dragononly empty chairs
22:10:48Arathisbarrywardell: that's why I never close the editor while in progress. but gedit for example keeps a tempfile of the last save. like "~file"
22:11:14barrywardellthe files are still open too...
22:12:01barrywardellbut I don't see any changes
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22:12:56Arathisso you could have made undo and "save as" and than diff
22:15:39[IDC]Dragongreat, many thanks
22:15:52jhMikeSbarrywardell: I'd check your hardware setup esp. samplerates cause it sounds like it's getting flooded out with muy mucho data which I guess would also explain the slow screen.
22:16:22[IDC]DragonI'll add that to the wiki
22:17:22barrywardelljhMikeS: aah, found the problem.
22:17:46barrywardelli had removed the check for FIFO_FULL_COUNT < 2
22:20:18jhMikeSoops! :) ... I do that stuff too sometimes and it drives me nuts
22:20:43barrywardelli don't know whether to be annoyed or relieved!
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22:29:07barrywardelljhMikeS: the aiff recordings also work fine
22:29:59jhMikeSexcellent. what about wavpack and wav?
22:30:34barrywardellyes, they work fine too
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22:38:48jhMikeSyou get interrupts before the requested amount is ready on pp? that sure explains the pcm overflow
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22:41:42barrywardellapparently so
22:42:04barrywardellgtg. i posted an updated patch on FS #6096 if anyone wants to test
22:42:17barrywardelli'll probably commit it tomorrow unless there are any major problems.
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22:47:11DisorderQuick question, How do I add new music to my Ipod nano using rockbox
22:52:50 Quit Siku ()
22:57:33bluebrotherjust copy it to the player using windows explorer
22:57:45bluebrotheror use itunes and the Rockbox database
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23:06:51linuxstbAny adventurous Windows using ipod owners want to test ? This implements a very simple "−−scan" option that tests all the disks on your computer to see if any are ipods.
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23:12:11CassandraI'll test it.
23:12:12CassandraHold on.
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23:17:24Cassandra[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
23:17:24Cassandra[INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano - disk device 5
23:17:25Cassandra[INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) - disk device 7
23:17:28linuxstb_The only thing I'm worried about is that it tries to read from all the disks in order to indentify the device from the disk structure. But it opens all disks read-only, so it should be harmless...
23:17:35CassandraAssuming those are right, looks good.
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23:17:38linuxstb_But that looks a good result...
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23:18:34CassandraYep, it reports the individual drives as I've expect with -l. Looks good.
23:19:49linuxstb_It simply tries all devices from 0 to 25 one by one, so it's not the best way to find them. But it seems to work...
23:20:06linuxstb_(and on Linux /dev/sda to /dev/sdz etc)
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23:20:56Cassandralinuxstb, I'm thinking of doing something very similar for Windows autodetect in rbutil.
23:21:40CassandraBear in mind that my system has five MP3 players attached to it at the moment. Good stress test for any auto-detector. ;)
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23:31:53jorisDoes anyone know if there is still development going on at the archos jukebox series?
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23:32:14n1smost development is for all targets.
23:32:52jorisah ok so it can be ported all players
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23:34:27n1sa large part of rockbox is the same on all players and any changes to that will affect all those targets. This part is mainly the user interface and other high level parts.
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23:35:39jesselnzHas anyone installed rockbox on an X5?
23:35:55n1sI'm sure someone has ;-)
23:35:58jesselnzI can't install the bootloader.
23:36:07jorisi get it, i was just wondering if the daily build would contain anything new.
23:36:18jesselnzMy X5 just deletes the .bin file.
23:36:39n1sjesselnz: did you follow the instructions? and where does it fail.
23:36:55*relaxed just bought a 30gig ipod for $175 :)
23:37:12jesselnzn1s: Yes, it fails right after I copy the file to FIRMWARE/ and restart.
23:37:55n1sjesselnz: and you are sure you got the right bootloader?
23:39:23jesselnzn1s: Yeah, x5_fw.bin
23:40:08n1sfrom here: ?
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23:41:59amiconnn1s: Re your commit - it's possible to get rid of one #ifdef without changing the actual code...
23:42:20n1sand your player is _not_ x5v, and you are certain that the bootloader didn't get installed, I suppose it will fall back to loading the original firmware if rockbox isn't found.
23:42:27amiconnIt's a trick I am using quite often - nothing stops you from using a plain { } in C
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23:43:01amiconnSo if you place the end of the first #ifdef _before_ the opening brace after 'else', you don't need to ifdef the closing brace
23:43:25n1samiconn: oh, didn't know about that, I'll change it.
23:43:32amiconnn1s: No, it won't fall back - X5 rockbox isn't dualboot
23:43:49n1sright, forgot that
23:43:57amiconnDunno what it does when rockbox.iaudio is missing, never tried...
23:43:59jesselnzn1s: It's an X5L, and I've tried both x5_fw and x5v_fw. They both get deleted.
23:44:19amiconnX5L needs x5_fw.bin
23:44:53idnarany major changes for the X5 in rockbox recently
23:45:06amiconnAnd if you follow the procedure as described in the iaudio manual (just replacing standard x5_fw.bin with the rockbox bootloader one) it always worked for me
23:45:29n1syou do "safe disconnect" when you disconnect the x5 from the pc?
23:45:34amiconnPut x5_fw.bin on the device, power it down, then start it _by plugging the charger_
23:45:49jesselnzWhat's safe connect?
23:46:00jesselnzI just unmount the directory, and unplug it from the subpack.
23:46:06jesselnz* disconnect
23:46:09amiconnThe X5 won't flash without the charger
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23:47:22*amiconn just tried what happens on X5 when no rockbox.iaudio is present
23:47:54jesselnzWhen I take out the USB wire and put the X5 back on the charger, it just starts charging normally, then when I turn it on it boots normally (taking a little longer than normal), and deletes the file.
23:47:58amiconnRockbox bootloader appears - then a hard power-down follows. HD emergency park, not really nice :/
23:48:28amiconnjesselnz: Please read again: Power off after unplugging, then boot _by_ plugging the charger
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23:50:19linuxstb_Anyone know what the "whole disk" devices are called on BSD? i.e. the equivalent to Linux's /dev/sd[a-z]
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23:53:44[IDC]Dragonhi Jens!
23:54:46Kasperlelinuxstb_: ide devices are called ad0, ad1, ..., scsi devices are called da0, da1, ...
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23:56:30Kasperlelinuxstb_: ipods will most likely appear as da*
23:57:29linuxstb_OK, thanks. I'll use da* for ipodpatcher's simple scan option.
23:58:24Kasperleit wouldn't make much sense to scan partitions though, i.e. da0s1, da0s2, ...
23:58:34Kasperle(or "slices", as we say ;))
23:58:37linuxstb_No, it just scans the whole-disk devices.
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