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| 00:02:03 | DerPhil | wooow... |
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| 00:02:16 | DerPhil | can i run apple os with the rockbox loader too? |
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| 00:02:26 | DerPapst | sure |
| 00:02:30 | DerPhil | how`? |
| 00:02:46 | DerPapst | flip the holdswitch on |
| 00:02:52 | DerPapst | while rebooting |
| 00:03:30 | DerPhil | lol des find ich ma ne feine sache :D ganz unjompliziert |
| 00:03:55 | DerPapst | ^^^ |
| 00:04:01 | DerPhil | Loading original firmware... |
| 00:04:07 | DerPhil | same prob as before with rockbox |
| 00:04:11 | DerPhil | oh sorry it just took a while |
| 00:04:12 | DerPhil | ;) |
| 00:04:30 | scorche | dan_a: SYN |
| 00:04:31 | DerPhil | yeah thats the way i like it |
| 00:04:32 | DerPhil | :D |
| 00:06:25 | DerPhil | aaannnd... |
| 00:06:36 | DerPapst | what? |
| 00:06:45 | DerPhil | how can i view album art? |
| 00:06:59 | DerPapst | no idea. sorry ;) |
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| 00:07:48 | Llorean | DerPhil: Album Art isn't an official feature of Rockbox at this time. |
| 00:07:54 | DerPhil | well i think the prob is that theres only a solution in which you can show a bitmap placed in the folder beside the songs but no version for showing album art saved in the id3 tags, no? |
| 00:08:18 | DerPhil | what does it mean: database is not ready? |
| 00:10:45 | Llorean | DerPhil: It's not supported period. What you're talking about is an entirely unofficial patch. |
| 00:10:53 | Llorean | "Database is not ready" means you haven't initialized the database. |
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| 00:11:58 | DerPhil | but the patch exists? |
| 00:12:14 | DerPhil | k one thing left: can i change the height and the font of the header? |
| 00:13:22 | linuxstb | No |
| 00:13:43 | linuxstb | But a WPS can have a fully-customised status bar |
| 00:14:42 | tehsmo | eww, album art comes in id3s? |
| 00:15:03 | n1s | sometimes... |
| 00:15:04 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:15:21 | tehsmo | that must be a hell of a nasty hack |
| 00:15:26 | DerPapst | no |
| 00:15:42 | tehsmo | granted, id3 tags in general are a hack |
| 00:16:01 | DerPapst | ^^ |
| 00:16:14 | DerPapst | itunes can sore albumart in id3 tags |
| 00:16:19 | tehsmo | ah |
| 00:16:29 | DerPapst | and i think windows mediaplayer to |
| 00:16:38 | DerPapst | it displayes them at least |
| 00:16:42 | tehsmo | ah |
| 00:18:17 | * | DerPapst starts hating maya |
| 00:18:52 | Llorean | The advantage of the patch's way of doing it include only having one file per album, the option to easily have art per individual file with it defaulting back to an album file if not present for that one, and the ability to include album art even for untaggable formats. |
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| 00:21:07 | DerPhil | i didnt understand a word but it doesnt sound very good |
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| 00:23:22 | DerPhil | well thanx for your help |
| 00:23:38 | DerPhil | but i have to get up in five and a half hour so i think ill go to bed now ;) |
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| 00:24:26 | DerPhil | good night (even if its not evening where you live) |
| 00:24:28 | DerPhil | nacht papst |
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| 00:36:49 | dan_a | scorche: SYN/ACK |
| 00:37:16 | scorche | ;) |
| 00:37:30 | hcs | scooby: SYN/ACK |
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| 01:48:07 | Falco98 | JdGordon: you get my PMs? |
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| 02:01:28 | SimonSelki | Hi all. |
| 02:01:50 | SimonSelki | I just installed rockbox on my friends 30gig iPod Video for him |
| 02:02:11 | SimonSelki | is it typical for the menues to operate so slow? |
| 02:02:39 | SimonSelki | and also, when running the original firmware, it still doesn't drain the battery twice as much, does it? |
| 02:05:27 | hcs | any advice on defragging my DAP's FAT32 drive under linux? the best advice I've found online so far is just to copy everything off and reformat |
| 02:05:43 | Llorean | SimonSelki: Yes, and no. |
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| 02:15:01 | SimonSelki | thanks a bunch |
| 02:18:34 | Llorean | SimonSelki: I guess, technically speaking, the menus aren't *supposed* to be slow, but they are right now until certain optimizations can occur in the uncertain future. |
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| 02:25:38 | Falco98 | paul, is that something that only affects the ipod port at the moment? |
| 02:25:46 | Falco98 | or is it more in general? |
| 02:26:33 | Llorean | It's almost entirely an iPod issue. |
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| 02:28:44 | SimonSelki | Well, the menues work more or less fine on my Nano |
| 02:28:50 | SimonSelki | But it has a Flash memory |
| 02:28:52 | Soap | small screen |
| 02:28:53 | Llorean | The Nano has a much smaller screen. |
| 02:28:58 | SimonSelki | oh oh oh |
| 02:29:07 | SimonSelki | I didn't think about that one |
| 02:29:16 | SimonSelki | would a more basic theme make it smoother? |
| 02:29:18 | Soap | (Soap beat LL to an answer!) |
| 02:29:30 | Soap | (even if it wasn't as well worded) |
| 02:29:37 | SimonSelki | hah |
| 02:29:57 | Soap | SimonSelki: it's about the amount of data that needs refreshed. |
| 02:30:02 | SimonSelki | I thought it had something to do with the hard drive disk having to spin an junk |
| 02:30:03 | Llorean | SimonSelki: Not very much smoother no, other than choosing to use a background color instead of a backdrop image. |
| 02:30:22 | SimonSelki | ah, so I was sort of right? |
| 02:30:39 | Soap | on the theme theory? |
| 02:30:44 | Llorean | Most of the slowness relates to how much data has to be redrawn when the highlight bar moves. |
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| 02:33:45 | SimonSelki | I see... Hey, just because I'm interested, how can Rockbox play FLACs so well at like 800kbps, but studders at Mp3s with anything over 228kbps? |
| 02:34:12 | Llorean | Because the bitrate really has very little relationship across formats. |
| 02:34:17 | JdGordon | because the flac decoder is much better |
| 02:34:28 | JdGordon | and what Llorean said |
| 02:35:30 | Llorean | A 320kbps contains more data than a 128kbps MP3. An 800kbps FLAC and a 700kbps FLAC of the same song contain the same amount of data, but the 700 one is a more complicated version of that data, so actually the bigger a FLAC file is for the same song, the less work is needed to be done. |
| 02:36:43 | thegeek | an mp3 is packed harder, so it takes greater force to unpack it |
| 02:37:36 | Presence | llorean, best explanation ever, re: flac. Thanks. :) |
| 02:39:00 | Falco98 | interesting trivia: my PC will randomly BSOD if i compress to FLAC at quality 6, but not if i compress at 2 or 3 |
| 02:39:14 | Falco98 | it kinda makes me pull my hair out, a little bit... |
| 02:39:28 | hcs | does it do that when otherwise under full load? |
| 02:40:03 | Falco98 | i could have *nothing* going on other than the compression, and be nearly guaranteed that 1 of every 2 or 3 level-6 encodes will make it go |
| 02:41:02 | Llorean | Is that 6+ or just 6? |
| 02:41:05 | Falco98 | but i've been aware for years that i have a bug somewhere, like some subtle conflict between chipsets or something, since i'll BSOD at other random times... like certain specific MP3s seem to make it BSOD about 50% of the time, but usually in the same spot |
| 02:41:09 | Falco98 | 6+ |
| 02:41:11 | Falco98 | well |
| 02:41:21 | Falco98 | for FLAC the different encode levels are merely different optimizations |
| 02:41:38 | Falco98 | levels 7 and 8 are so ridiculously slow that they may as well not be used |
| 02:41:53 | Falco98 | they're slow and the increase in filesize efficiency they give is minimal |
| 02:41:58 | Llorean | Ridiculously slow in what context? How long it takes you to encode? |
| 02:42:09 | Falco98 | this is FLAC encoding in general |
| 02:42:11 | Falco98 | not just for me |
| 02:42:27 | Llorean | Well, I meant "encode time, as opposed to decode time" |
| 02:42:32 | Falco98 | it will hold true for anyone who uses the command-line FLAC encoder |
| 02:42:40 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 02:42:56 | Falco98 | encoding time increases exponentially between levels 5, 6, 7, and 8 |
| 02:42:56 | Llorean | I mean, I really don't care how long my encode times are, as long as they're faster than realtime, since I'm only encoding to an archive format once. |
| 02:43:13 | Falco98 | 7 and 8 are slower than realtime |
| 02:43:21 | Llorean | Haven't been for me. |
| 02:43:23 | Falco98 | when i said "ridiculously slow" i meant it ;-) |
| 02:43:41 | Falco98 | do you typically encode at 7 or 8? |
| 02:43:48 | Llorean | I was using 8 at the time. |
| 02:43:49 | Falco98 | i haven't done the benchmark test on a very fast PC though |
| 02:44:05 | Falco98 | but i encoded the same song across all 8 levels and recorded encoding times |
| 02:44:12 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 02:44:26 | Falco98 | and the times get parabolically larger (as i said) from 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 |
| 02:44:28 | Falco98 | plus |
| 02:44:31 | Llorean | Then I transcoded to wavpack anyway. |
| 02:44:41 | Falco98 | at 7 and 8, the filesize benefit may actually be negligible, or negative |
| 02:45:45 | Falco98 | why wavpack? |
| 02:46:00 | Llorean | Because at the time it was performing better than FLAC on Rockbox? |
| 02:46:08 | Llorean | This predates our move to the other FLAC decoder. |
| 02:46:35 | Falco98 | gotcha. |
| 02:46:41 | Falco98 | makes sense :) |
| 02:46:54 | Falco98 | personally i love FLAC in almost every way |
| 02:47:09 | Falco98 | except for the lack of a decent GUI winamp vorbis-comment viewer / editor |
| 02:47:26 | Falco98 | plus the viewer that exists actually abuses the way vorbiscomment is structured |
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| 02:47:57 | * | Llorean doesn't use winamp. |
| 02:47:58 | Falco98 | [though it's shitloads better than nothing, and of course, also loads better than having no track info, such as in SHN] |
| 02:48:08 | Falco98 | what's your PC music player of choice? |
| 02:48:10 | Falco98 | foobar? |
| 02:48:22 | Llorean | Foobar, but I don't really use my PC much at all. |
| 02:48:27 | Llorean | There's not terribly much cause to. |
| 02:48:36 | Falco98 | what do you use, then? |
| 02:48:39 | Falco98 | or just RB? |
| 02:48:45 | Llorean | Just Rockbox. |
| 02:49:16 | Llorean | I mean, if I need to hook it up to speakers, my home stereo is better sounding than my PC anyway. |
| 02:49:32 | Falco98 | the only reason i don't is, i don't feel like unnecessarily draining my iriver's battery |
| 02:49:59 | * | Llorean has a charger to plug in... |
| 02:50:08 | Falco98 | i'm not convinced at how healthy it is for the battery to leave it sitting there plugged into the AC adapter while playing, if i could be using something else that isn't battery-powered |
| 02:50:50 | Falco98 | doesn't the iriver power itself through its battery, even if it's plugged into the charger? |
| 02:51:03 | Falco98 | or is it smart enough to draw power straight from the wall and completely bypass the battery? |
| 02:51:17 | Falco98 | [i have reason to believe it doesn't do this, but you might have info i don't] |
| 02:52:14 | Llorean | It should be irrelevant anyway since it's liion battery. |
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| 02:52:40 | Falco98 | why? |
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| 02:53:20 | Falco98 | don't li-ion batteries lose their potency after use / recharging? |
| 02:53:37 | Llorean | li-ion batteries lose their potency with aging. |
| 02:54:08 | Llorean | The aspect of use that will affect their potency is I believe the heat of charging them. |
| 02:54:15 | Falco98 | ahh okay |
| 02:54:24 | Llorean | Though I'm not an expect on the matter, so I could've misunderstood something |
| 02:54:39 | Falco98 | so i shouldn't be overly worried about affecting the useful life of my battery by using it while keeping it plugged into the charger |
| 02:54:43 | Falco98 | is what you're saying? |
| 02:55:18 | Llorean | Well, I've had an h120 that I've used almost equally from the charger as from battery, maybe more, and I still get good battery life despite its age. |
| 02:55:28 | Falco98 | cool. |
| 02:55:56 | Llorean | While I can't speak in any scientifically speaking manner, the anecdotal experience I can offer is "It isn't bad, at least for me" |
| 02:56:05 | Falco98 | i have noticed, though, that if the charger successfully fills the battery up while it's playing, and the charge-light goes off, that it stops attempting to charge altogether until it's unplugged and plugged back in again |
| 02:56:11 | SimonSelki | man, it's too bad I onlt have a 2 gig nano, or I would use a lot more FLACs |
| 02:56:47 | Falco98 | simon: you could always keep your FLACs on your HDD or a dvd-r, and crosscode them to nice compact OGG's temporarily for DAP use..no? |
| 02:57:12 | Falco98 | (of course you could use MP3 also, though i have no idea why anyone would choose MP3 over OGG when they have rockbox at their disposal) |
| 02:57:51 | Llorean | Falco98: If you can't hear the difference, MP3 can result in a good deal better battery life. |
| 02:58:28 | Falco98 | of course, 128kbps ogg-vorbis can be noticeably better (and more filesize efficient) than 128 kbps mp3 :) |
| 02:58:46 | Falco98 | plus, the only thing i have at all on my iriver is Oggs, and i've had no battery life issues |
| 02:58:55 | Falco98 | (of course perhaps i don't have a point of comparison) |
| 02:59:10 | Llorean | But a user who can't hear the difference between 128mp3 and 128vorbis will get better battery life because MP3 doesn't require boosting to decode. |
| 02:59:55 | Llorean | Of course, they could just encode to even lower quality vorbis, for the filesize benefit. |
| 02:59:57 | Falco98 | aw dang |
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| 03:00:12 | Llorean | And I don't think anyone's done a solid test to see if file complexity or filesize affect battery life more. |
| 03:00:15 | Falco98 | i'm not sure what you're referring to with "boosting" tho |
| 03:00:30 | Llorean | Of course, as filesize goes up beyond a certain point, it'll be the worse one, the question is "below what point in filesize, does decode time cost more?" |
| 03:00:44 | Presence | the ipod switches between 30mhz and 75mhz, to keep the PCM buffer full. |
| 03:00:55 | Llorean | And the iRiver between 45 and 120. |
| 03:01:03 | Llorean | Or somewhere thereabouts. |
| 03:01:11 | Llorean | Well, the iRiver Hxxx series. |
| 03:01:11 | Falco98 | oh, and it can't decode ogg in realtime at the lower speeds? |
| 03:01:24 | Llorean | Most formats boost to keep the buffer full. |
| 03:01:41 | Llorean | MP3 is more an exception. It, FLAC, and MPC. |
| 03:01:47 | Falco98 | so what, do they both have built-in hardware mp3 decoders? |
| 03:01:53 | hcs | and ADX |
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| 03:02:04 | Llorean | Nah, no hardware decoders. |
| 03:02:06 | Falco98 | or is it just something in the nature of the encoding in mp3 that makes it easier to decode? |
| 03:02:10 | Llorean | The codecs are just more efficient computationally. |
| 03:02:20 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 03:02:33 | Falco98 | yeah i suppose i knew ogg was slightly more demanding |
| 03:02:35 | idnar | musepack is incredibly fast to decode |
| 03:02:43 | Falco98 | though i thought the difference was rather slight? |
| 03:02:50 | SimonSelki | Doing all of that sounds cool, 'cept I don't know what an OGG or DAP is... |
| 03:02:51 | Falco98 | like 20% or less? |
| 03:03:00 | idnar | I generally go for musepack when I transcode to a lossy format (although I just stick with my FLACs myself, 30GB gives me enough room to play) |
| 03:03:15 | Falco98 | SimonSelki: OGG is short for Ogg-Vorbis, a different kind of encoding... like mp3 but better in most ways :) |
| 03:03:28 | SimonSelki | awesome |
| 03:03:32 | Falco98 | SimonSelki: DAP is what some people call an MP3 player, it stands for "digital audio player" |
| 03:03:51 | SimonSelki | That gives me a reason to burn of 2x the battery life =P |
| 03:04:01 | SimonSelki | I just got a new iPod batter |
| 03:04:03 | SimonSelki | y |
| 03:04:08 | Falco98 | since my iriver doesn't actually HAVE any mp3s on it (but 21 gigs of ogg's, comprising my CD collection), it is technically a DAP and not an mp3 player :-P |
| 03:04:20 | SimonSelki | hah |
| 03:04:29 | Llorean | idnar: The problem with FLAC is that it has to spin the disk up a lot more, which costs a good deal of battery each time. |
| 03:05:59 | Falco98 | k i gotta run for a little while, see everyone later probably... thanks again to jdgordon for pushing my patch into cvs :-D |
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| 03:06:53 | idnar | Llorean: I guess there is that |
| 03:07:11 | idnar | but transcoding half my collection would get complicated |
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| 03:07:55 | idnar | I should probably keep that in mind, though |
| 03:09:01 | Llorean | But really, if your current setup works for you, may as well stick with it. |
| 03:09:13 | Llorean | Probably about 1/5 of the music on my player is in FLAC |
| 03:19:06 | Presence | f |
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| 03:26:07 | SimonSelki | okay okay, what if I load the database to RAM, will it still be a little rough? or does it help at all? |
| 03:26:37 | excitatory | Llorean: it's interesting.. oggs drain my battery less than mp3 (1 gen nano) |
| 03:27:11 | SimonSelki | Where can I get one of these great ogg converters? |
| 03:27:19 | SimonSelki | They sounds heaven scent |
| 03:27:19 | Llorean | My statements about relative codec efficiency applied primarily to the Coldfire targets. The ARM targets (iPods, H10) have Vorbis and MP3 codecs much closer to each other. |
| 03:27:21 | SimonSelki | that's right |
| 03:27:24 | SimonSelki | scent |
| 03:27:26 | excitatory | don't convert |
| 03:27:31 | excitatory | you'll lose quality |
| 03:27:40 | excitatory | like making a copy from a copy |
| 03:27:42 | SimonSelki | ....damn, wait |
| 03:27:47 | SimonSelki | so how do you use them? |
| 03:27:52 | excitatory | like an mp3 |
| 03:28:00 | TheCollector | SimonSelki: you'll want to re-rip your CDs |
| 03:28:01 | excitatory | you rip a cd, then encode to ogg |
| 03:28:07 | Llorean | You have to convert from a CD, not any existing file |
| 03:28:17 | excitatory | Llorean: unless it's flac or wav |
| 03:28:23 | SimonSelki | what if I burn an Mp3 to a CD? |
| 03:28:25 | excitatory | or any other lossless |
| 03:28:39 | excitatory | SimonSelki: still lose quality |
| 03:28:39 | SimonSelki | like, for a CD player |
| 03:28:44 | Llorean | excitatory: FLAC, ALAC, AIFF, WAV, or Lossless Wavpack, specifically, but I was giving greatly simplified directions. |
| 03:28:44 | SimonSelki | hmmm |
| 03:29:06 | Llorean | And that's just formats Rockbox supports, there are plenty of other lossless ones in the wild |
| 03:29:07 | Llorean | Oh, and SHN |
| 03:29:14 | excitatory | mp3 is a lossy format.. it inherently doesn't have the full data of the original audio file |
| 03:30:11 | SimonSelki | what does iTunes use? I mean, before it chops them all up |
| 03:30:31 | excitatory | SimonSelki: most people have a mix of formats.. for me, it's a blend of mostly ogg, some flac, and maybe 1/10 mp3 from years past.. |
| 03:30:48 | excitatory | SimonSelki: by default, it uses aac, but you can set it to use mp3 |
| 03:31:12 | excitatory | aac is a horrible, restrictive format, but it sounds alright. |
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| 03:31:35 | SimonSelki | I'm trying to correct my ways. I have libraries and libraries of Mp3s. Are they obsolete now? I can't sleep at night knowing there is a more efficient format and I'm still using Mp3s. |
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| 03:31:50 | excitatory | SimonSelki: nah, don't worry |
| 03:32:01 | excitatory | the one nice thing about mp3 is that EVERYTHING supports it |
| 03:32:23 | TheCollector | SimonSelki: there is no "perfect" format |
| 03:32:29 | excitatory | from car stereos, to dvd players, to cheaper mp3 stereos..DAPs, etc. |
| 03:32:36 | TheCollector | they all are trade-offs in one respect or another |
| 03:33:18 | excitatory | SimonSelki: my comment was misleading too since ogg generally drains batteries more..just not on the nano |
| 03:34:02 | excitatory | SimonSelki: ogg is nice because it's open and free and ever improving. if you rip your mp3's using the oss LAME encoder, it's pretty much the same thing. |
| 03:34:24 | SimonSelki | I only have a 2 gig iPod Nano man. You tell me there's a better smaller format and I'm going to slit my wrists the next time I don't have enough space to for my new favorite single from Justin Timberlake because my self-help audio Mp3s are too damn beefy. |
| 03:35:06 | excitatory | ..and unless you're a neurotic golden ear with studio quality audio gear, it's hard to tell the difference between ogg and mp3.. |
| 03:35:27 | Llorean | Not to mention Ogg isn't very much smaller. |
| 03:35:48 | excitatory | until you start getting into various ogg and mp3 encoders at different bittrates, you won't notice. |
| 03:36:13 | SimonSelki | I can usually tell the difference between inly 128 and FLAC |
| 03:36:18 | SimonSelki | only... |
| 03:36:32 | excitatory | yea, well who cant |
| 03:36:44 | SimonSelki | I guess I'll be okay |
| 03:37:08 | excitatory | stick with at least 192 and everything will sound great. |
| 03:37:24 | SimonSelki | Man, this changes everything |
| 03:37:27 | excitatory | 256 range is where it's next to impossible to tell for me |
| 03:38:05 | SimonSelki | I have a Zappa album on my iPod that takes up a quarter of the space because it's in FLAC |
| 03:38:22 | excitatory | SimonSelki: many people still maintain that one should stick with mp3 just for compatibility reasons and the fact that it sounds pretty damn good. |
| 03:38:45 | excitatory | yes, for only a 2gb nano, i wouldn't put any flacs on there |
| 03:39:01 | excitatory | encode them down to a reasonable bitrate |
| 03:39:30 | SimonSelki | Know of any good Ogg encoders? |
| 03:40:09 | excitatory | yea, the aotuv vorbis encoder |
| 03:40:15 | excitatory | i'll grab you a url |
| 03:41:03 | SimonSelki | is it freeware or do I have to find other means? |
| 03:41:03 | SimonSelki | Thanks, I do appreciate it a lot. |
| 03:41:37 | excitatory | yea, it's open source, and thus free. |
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| 03:42:13 | excitatory | http://rarewares.org/ogg.html scroll down and grab "Oggenc2.83 using aoTuVb5" |
| 03:42:41 | excitatory | if you use linux, let me know, since it's different. |
| 03:42:55 | SimonSelki | Yeah, great man. Thanks. |
| 03:42:56 | SimonSelki | Win98 |
| 03:43:01 | excitatory | ! |
| 03:43:03 | SimonSelki | It's depressing.... |
| 03:43:07 | SimonSelki | I'm so poor |
| 03:43:34 | excitatory | um.. use linux, it's free and significantly better than windows 98 |
| 03:44:18 | SimonSelki | I only have a very vague idea of what linux is |
| 03:44:29 | SimonSelki | and unix both |
| 03:44:39 | excitatory | yea, understandable |
| 03:45:10 | excitatory | well, i would save if for another night |
| 03:45:12 | Soap | excitatory: this is the rockbox channel |
| 03:45:18 | Soap | please don't drift so far off topic |
| 03:45:24 | excitatory | Soap: sorry |
| 03:45:25 | Soap | and if you are, at least get your facts correct. |
| 03:45:30 | excitatory | yea |
| 03:45:32 | Soap | AAC is not a restrictive format. |
| 03:46:00 | excitatory | i meant it in the sense that it's not open |
| 03:46:05 | Soap | but it is. |
| 03:46:16 | excitatory | oh. |
| 03:46:27 | excitatory | well, i feel silly |
| 03:46:53 | Llorean | Well, as open as MP3, roughly |
| 03:46:57 | Llorean | They're both patented, just not enforced. |
| 03:47:16 | Llorean | Well, not enforced against the open source decoders world, rather. |
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| 03:51:58 | excitatory | SimonSelki: well, to finish, you'll want to get off win98. if interested in linux, you will want a distribution of it (a collection of software packages, settings, drivers, and the linux kernel). a distro's website will provide you with instructions for downloading a CD image to burn to a CD-R, which you can boot off of, which will then install your new operating system. I recommend ubuntu (ubuntu.com) as a good starting point. |
| 03:51:58 | excitatory | perhaps read about it and decide if it's for you. |
| 03:52:02 | * | excitatory goes back on topic |
| 03:52:06 | excitatory | (sorry) |
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| 04:03:58 | SimonSelki | Well that's a hell of a start |
| 04:04:07 | SimonSelki | Can I PM you? |
| 04:06:47 | excitatory | sure, but i'm making dinner, so i'll be afk periodically.. |
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| 04:39:15 | Omega_Xi | Hello |
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| 04:43:57 | Omega_Xi | Hi, is anyone about? |
| 04:44:52 | Soap | yes |
| 04:44:59 | Soap | lots of people are idle |
| 04:45:14 | Soap | if you ask your question you will likely get an answer, though this is the slow period. |
| 04:45:16 | Omega_Xi | Heh, the usual for IRC ^^; |
| 04:45:28 | Omega_Xi | Umm, I think I bricked my iPod |
| 04:45:40 | Soap | you'd be the first. |
| 04:45:42 | Soap | nano? |
| 04:46:05 | Omega_Xi | I followed the instructions in the manual, and now it keeps rebooting and displaying rockbox error-1 |
| 04:46:21 | Soap | so you have installed the bootloader. |
| 04:46:29 | Soap | do you have rockbox itself on your player? |
| 04:46:42 | Omega_Xi | Yeah, I copied rockbox to the root of the player |
| 04:47:10 | Soap | the zip? |
| 04:47:35 | Omega_Xi | No, I extracted the *.zip to my player, sorry I should have specified |
| 04:47:37 | Llorean | Also, what sort of player is it? |
| 04:47:48 | Omega_Xi | It's an iPod video, 5.5 |
| 04:47:52 | Llorean | Error -1 means "We could not find the file rockbox.ipod in the root of your iPod" |
| 04:47:54 | Llorean | 30gb |
| 04:47:56 | Llorean | ? |
| 04:48:13 | Soap | did you copy the zip, or did you /extract/ the zip to the root of your player? |
| 04:48:13 | Omega_Xi | Yeah 30Gb |
| 04:48:29 | maquis | Omega_Xi: don't worry... i thought i'd bricked my ipod once too, and people here were able to show me that i hadn't... i had just run into a very odd bug |
| 04:48:41 | Omega_Xi | *phew* ^_^ |
| 04:48:44 | maquis | :) |
| 04:48:51 | Omega_Xi | (grown man nearly cried here, lol) |
| 04:48:51 | Llorean | Well, the continual reboot means you installed the bootloader improperly (you likely won't be able to use the Apple firmware, though Rockbox should work fine), and the error: -1 means it can't find teh file I mentioned. |
| 04:48:57 | falco98_away | besides don't ipods have a rather clean master-reset function built-in? |
| 04:49:36 | Omega_Xi | I'm not so worried about the apple firmware, I got the thing purely for rockbox ;) |
| 04:49:56 | Llorean | falco98_away: What they have build in, is a in-flash disk mode and a hard reset, that we don't really have access to (nor would we bother modifying if we did, since it's entirely unnecessary to ever do so) |
| 04:50:09 | Llorean | Omega_Xi: So, on your drive, say X:\, is there a file rockbox.ipod and a folder .rockbox? |
| 04:50:17 | Llorean | Your iPod drive |
| 04:50:42 | falco98_away | Llorean: i just mean.. like, if someone bricks their ipod.. can't they do a master-reset? |
| 04:50:42 | Omega_Xi | There was, yes, but I can't access it as F:\ anymore |
| 04:50:56 | falco98_away | lolol.. wii vs. ps3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9136575504838642038&hl=en |
| 04:51:14 | falco98_away | go-karts! |
| 04:51:15 | Llorean | falco98_away: What do you mean by "master reset"? |
| 04:51:17 | falco98_away | sorry off topic |
| 04:51:26 | Llorean | Omega_Xi: Yes you can, use disk mode. |
| 04:51:38 | Llorean | Hold Menu+Select to restart it, and quickly hold Select+Play |
| 04:51:43 | falco98_away | Llorean: sorry if i'm completely wrong.. i just thought i heard that ipods have a master firmware reset/restore built in |
| 04:51:48 | Llorean | They do not. |
| 04:51:53 | falco98_away | i.e. in the hardware |
| 04:51:55 | falco98_away | ah whoops |
| 04:51:57 | falco98_away | ok |
| 04:51:59 | falco98_away | nm then :) |
| 04:52:05 | Omega_Xi | Awersome :D diskmode works |
| 04:52:39 | Omega_Xi | ok, rockbox.ipod is there |
| 04:52:55 | Omega_Xi | along with the .rockbox folder |
| 04:53:20 | Llorean | And it's a Fat32 formatted drive? |
| 04:53:36 | Soap | What install instructions did you use? |
| 04:54:15 | Omega_Xi | Yeah, it's FAT32, I used the instructions from the *.pdf at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061218.pdf |
| 04:54:53 | Llorean | I suggest uninstalling and following the new instrcutions. |
| 04:55:22 | Omega_Xi | So, delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder? |
| 04:55:26 | Soap | bad timing, linuxstb just added a warning to the manual to follow the new instructions in the wiki. |
| 04:56:04 | Omega_Xi | ^^; |
| 04:56:22 | Omega_Xi | Will I need to redo the bootloader?> |
| 04:56:24 | Soap | Omega_Xi: and restore your bootpartition.bin file. |
| 04:56:47 | Llorean | Omega_Xi: Follow the uninstallation instructions. |
| 04:57:01 | Omega_Xi | Ok |
| 04:57:04 | Soap | yes, you will need to redo the bootloader, but you dont need to delete the rockbox.ipod file or .rockbox directory. |
| 04:57:49 | Omega_Xi | Ah, okay... brb, while I uninstall, I'm assuming I can do it from disk mode |
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| 05:01:09 | Omega_Xi | Okay, it's back the way it was :D thank you for being so helpfull :) |
| 05:01:45 | Omega_Xi | and the updated instructions are in the wiki? |
| 05:01:52 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 05:02:31 | Omega_Xi | Thanks :D you guys are awesome |
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| 05:05:32 | Omega_Xi | Sorry to be annoying, but I just want to be sure of something, should I install the bootloader from diskmode or the normal apple f/w? |
| 05:05:52 | TheCollector | either works |
| 05:06:08 | hcs | shouldn't matter, if the apple f/w detects that you wrote something new to the boot partition it'll reboot |
| 05:06:08 | TheCollector | I did it wit my nano in the normal mode |
| 05:06:31 | Omega_Xi | Thanks :) |
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| 05:08:43 | Llorean | If it were possible to brick an iPod, it's likely I'd have done so ages ago anyway |
| 05:09:38 | TheCollector | Llorean: do you know if high-res pictures of the guts of the 2 Gen. Nano are still needed? |
| 05:10:06 | Llorean | I think many of the interesting innards have already been identified, but I'm not sure they're *not* needed. |
| 05:10:19 | Llorean | The real problem right now, though, is the difficulty of the firmware being encrypted |
| 05:11:05 | TheCollector | ah - I remember seeing a bit about that on the wiki yesterday |
| 05:11:45 | TheCollector | too bad Apple had to screw up a good thing instead of just throwing more flash in there |
| 05:12:06 | Llorean | Apple doesn't like us, I don't think. |
| 05:12:32 | Llorean | Not like, in a "out to destroy us" kinda sense, but in a "If it's easy, we may as well throw them a few stumbling blocks" sense. |
| 05:13:11 | TheCollector | right, it's a shame that most tech companies adopt that kind of attitude regarding hacking on their hardware |
| 05:13:47 | TheCollector | That's the one thing I really miss about my Neuros, besides the FM transmitter |
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| 07:07:12 | Tony_3g_owner | without skipping |
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| 09:09:30 | Llorean | I was wondering if anyone has a view regarding "Official" threads at other forums, such as "Official" progress threads and such. My concern specifically is the word official itself, since while the source of the progress is official (often CVS logs) what gets chosen, and even interpretation of it, or meaning, is often not. |
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| 09:12:04 | Bagder | I agree with that sentiment |
| 09:12:13 | Bagder | I'd rather just have the lot unofficial |
| 09:14:08 | cynicalliberal | Are we speaking in terms of official in the purest sense of the word? Because sometimes its the word 'Official' to consolidate anything that might have to do with the subject into a single thread. |
| 09:14:17 | linuxstb | I see them as being "official" in terms of whatever forum the thread is on. I'm not sure how people can think that they are official in terms of being written by Rockbox.org. |
| 09:15:18 | linuxstb | Personally, I'm more concerned about people sharing their own builds of rockbox without any source or licensing statements. |
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| 09:20:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's a concern to. |
| 09:20:45 | Llorean | Now that I feel our forums are reasonably stable, I've decided I'd like to try to clarify the image of Rockbox externally. You know, lessen the misinformation, clarify where "official" news comes from, and so on. |
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| 09:21:22 | Llorean | I can easily see "Official" meaning "Maintained by these forums" rather than "Provided by Rockbox.org" but it still seems to have the potential to confuse users. |
| 09:21:30 | linuxstb | Maybe we should have an RSS news feed - if some people populate it with news... |
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| 09:22:09 | Llorean | The thing is, most of these threads try to aggregate news related to their specific target. |
| 09:22:22 | Llorean | Although I suppose that could be handled by metadata tags on the news or something. |
| 09:22:30 | Llorean | All "contextual web" and that jazz. |
| 09:22:33 | GodEater_Web | re: RSS feed, it'd have to be updated more frequently than the "news" items on the frontpage at rockbox.org |
| 09:22:55 | * | Bagder once tried to edit such a news feed but failed rather soon |
| 09:23:19 | * | linuxstb fails to avoid thinking rockblog |
| 09:23:19 | GodEater_Web | Llorean: is there some particular "official" thread somewhere that has peaked your ire in this case ? |
| 09:23:28 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: There have been many. |
| 09:23:55 | GodEater_Web | care to share so I can see what you mean ? |
| 09:24:30 | linuxstb | But to be fair, there is no "offiicial" equivalent to those kinds of forum threads. |
| 09:24:41 | Llorean | But I was just going over to iAudiophile to clarify that "Rockbox voids your warranty" "Rockbox is very unlikely to damage your player" and "Even if your damage wasn't caused by Rockbox, they can still deny your warranty claim if it was installed" because there seems to be some debate over all that. |
| 09:25:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's true, I'm not saying "crack down on all of them, right now" but rather opening discussion for figuring a better alternative out. |
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| 09:25:50 | GodEater_Web | does carrying the thread on forums.rockbox.org make it official? Or would it have to be "sanctioned" by a prominent rockbox member ? |
| 09:26:03 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8231 for example. A post in there links to a forum thread as a "confirmation" of an improvement. While a valid link, it still depends on an outside source to decide what qualifies as an "announcement" |
| 09:27:09 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: My biggest concern is that I've seen at times complete misinterpretations of CVS comments, and then spread that misinterpretation among outside communities until a decent sized group thought Rockbox did or didn't have Feature X where the other case was true. |
| 09:28:07 | GodEater_Web | I see your point - but how do you propose fixing that? |
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| 09:28:23 | GodEater_Web | even having an RSS feed still relies on people actually subscribing to it |
| 09:28:23 | Llorean | I'd like a guideline such as "Official" progress threads should only contain CVS log information, and statements by developers, for example. |
| 09:28:46 | Llorean | So when they run an official thread at their site, we can at least hope that they only quote Devs or the CVS. |
| 09:28:51 | GodEater_Web | plus you'd have to have someone acting as a "rockbox mythbuster" checking these other forums constantly and correcting any misinterpretations |
| 09:29:12 | Llorean | I've often seen quotes taken from our IRC channel on progress threads that were made in jest, or suggested a slight improvement in an area that got blown into "Bug Y is gone!" |
| 09:29:32 | Llorean | Not constantly, or anything. It's an unenforceable rule, by definition. |
| 09:29:41 | Llorean | But a lot exists on good faith. |
| 09:30:01 | GodEater_Web | true |
| 09:30:12 | Llorean | I'd rather ask politely that they try to make sure that if they stamp a thread "Official" it follows some recommended guidelines than ignore the matter altogether. |
| 09:30:43 | GodEater_Web | otherwise post a list on rb.org stating "We do not codone any statements made on site X whether they claim to be official or not" :) |
| 09:30:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: And yes, I'd *definitely* like to go after all those people providing builds without full source. |
| 09:32:21 | * | GodEater_Web got a free satsuma with his coffee this morning. It must be xmas :) |
| 09:32:42 | * | petur looks up satsuma |
| 09:33:21 | GodEater_Web | citrus fruit |
| 09:33:25 | GodEater_Web | small orange thing |
| 09:33:27 | petur | wow, you got a Japanese city for free! |
| 09:33:32 | Bagder | hahha |
| 09:33:37 | JdGordon | how about putting a nice message at the top of rockbox.org saying this is the only place to get anything official... ? |
| 09:33:59 | GodEater_Web | hehe - no idea what I'm going to do with it petur :) |
| 09:34:22 | * | Llorean got a free soda with his sandwich tonight. |
| 09:34:42 | * | petur runs off to make tea |
| 09:34:49 | linuxstb | Llorean: If you do, remember they don't have to make source available to download with their builds, just respond to requests for the source. But they do have to include an offer to provide the source, valid for three years.... (IIUC) |
| 09:36:17 | * | GodEater_Web has had a thought re: 80G disk problems |
| 09:36:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wasn't sure about the period it had to be available, but I did know it had to be the full source needed to compile the binary (excluding standard libraries, etc) that they were distributing, and that it needed to be provided on request, but not necessarily posted. |
| 09:36:36 | GodEater_Web | anyone care to comment on the liklihood that apple don't use PIO, but rather DMA instead? |
| 09:36:56 | GodEater_Web | and that there may be a bug with the 80G drive's PIO support that they therefore wouldn't hav enoticed ? |
| 09:37:20 | GodEater_Web | or is that a dumb train of thought ? |
| 09:37:31 | GodEater_Web | in which case please enlighten me |
| 09:37:44 | GodEater_Web | only use a small hammer though |
| 09:37:48 | GodEater_Web | :) |
| 09:39:20 | GodEater_Web | or I suppose they might have noticed but not cared if they knew they were going to use DMA |
| 09:39:32 | linuxstb | I'll leave that for one of the hardware gurus to answer. |
| 09:40:01 | GodEater_Web | heh - thought you wrote the original ipod ATA driver ? |
| 09:40:02 | GodEater_Web | :) |
| 09:40:10 | linuxstb | CTRL+C, CTRL+V |
| 09:40:20 | GodEater_Web | hahahah - my favourite way of coding too :) |
| 09:40:29 | GodEater_Web | standing on the shoulders of giants an all that |
| 09:41:00 | linuxstb | All I did was work out the #defines for the different addresses. And those were just extracted from the IPL kernel source. |
| 09:41:16 | GodEater_Web | god bless the IPL guys |
| 09:41:25 | linuxstb | Plus I fixed all the endian issues. Previously, the Rockbox ATA driver only ran on big-endian CPUs. |
| 09:41:45 | GodEater_Web | oooh, that sounds more nasty |
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| 09:42:19 | linuxstb | Not really. Although I did get an amusing bug in the Rockbox text viewer where every pair of characters was reversed... |
| 09:42:27 | GodEater_Web | hehe |
| 09:43:28 | amiconn | I think it's very unlikely that apple uses ata dma |
| 09:43:37 | GodEater_Web | I'll post that thought to the forum thread as well - incase any of said "hardware gurus" don't catch up with today's IRC log |
| 09:44:06 | amiconn | Even if they use some pp dma controller to transfer data from the ata port, this would still be pio as seen by the drive |
| 09:44:50 | amiconn | But I think LinusN knows more about these things than me |
| 09:45:41 | amiconn | Don't be too impatient, I'm quite sure there is a solution |
| 09:45:58 | Llorean | By definition doesn't there have to be a solution, if Apple's firmware work? ;) |
| 09:46:33 | GodEater_Web | amiconn: you sure the drive still sees it as PIO ? The ATA spec seems to include a suite of DMA specific commands... |
| 09:46:50 | * | amiconn remembers how long it took to get the SH1 serial i/f to access MMC the way it should |
| 09:47:16 | GodEater_Web | Llorean: quite :) |
| 09:49:13 | amiconn | GodEater_Web: I already suggested a method which needs quite some work, but should produce results almost for sure. |
| 09:50:05 | GodEater_Web | is that you're piezo dumping suggestion? |
| 09:50:11 | GodEater_Web | s/you're/your |
| 09:50:39 | amiconn | Yes, but not piezo. Standard audio should be more reliable and faster |
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| 09:51:15 | GodEater_Web | ah well - I'll have to leave that to someone else - out of my league |
| 09:51:38 | GodEater_Web | I may have a poke at this DMA stuff and see if I can make any headway with it, it can't hurt :) |
| 09:51:50 | amiconn | It would also be helpful if one dev had access to (ideally) 3 devices: a standard 5th gen, a 30GB 5.5th gen and an 80GB 5.5th gen |
| 09:53:19 | JdGordon | is rsync -r src dest enough to make sure every file in src is in dest ? |
| 09:53:31 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:53:35 | JdGordon | t |
| 09:53:35 | JdGordon | a |
| 09:53:56 | amiconn | One thing I would try then would be swapping disks around and checking what works and what doesn't (in retailos, of course changing the firmware partition content) |
| 09:54:56 | LinusN | i have a 5gen and a 5.5gen |
| 09:55:05 | linuxstb | The firmware partition has a version number (displayed with "ipodpatcher [device] -v −−list"), so we could check if the same firmware version is used on all 5g/5.5g targets. |
| 09:55:59 | linuxstb | Plus of course, extracting the main firmware to apple_os.ipod and comparing. |
| 09:56:15 | amiconn | Hmm, isn't that one encrypted? |
| 09:56:35 | linuxstb | No, the main (5MB+) image isn't encrypted. Only the AUPD (flash contents). |
| 09:56:52 | linuxstb | On the G2 nano, they are both encrypted. |
| 09:57:15 | amiconn | Somewhat strange... |
| 09:57:39 | amiconn | The flash content cannot be encrypted in flash, otherwise it wouldn't work. So why encrypt it on disk? |
| 09:57:46 | linuxstb | The mi4 devices are the opposite - the bootloader image isn't encrypted, but the main firmware is. |
| 09:58:20 | amiconn | Do we know the encryption type and/or key(s)? |
| 09:58:28 | Bagder | actually, some of the mi4 targets have encrypted boot loaders too |
| 09:58:47 | Bagder | the h10 "hex" format |
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| 10:00:18 | GodEater_Web | 0xb012 is the version reported here |
| 10:00:43 | GodEater_Web | if anyone wants me apple_os.ipod to compare with something else shout |
| 10:00:48 | GodEater_Web | s/me/my |
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| 10:03:58 | linuxstb | The 5g image I have is 0xb012 as well. |
| 10:04:15 | linuxstb | I'll extract the apple_os and compare. |
| 10:04:23 | linuxstb | (I also have a 0xb012 5.5g image) |
| 10:05:49 | linuxstb | Yes, the checksums for 5g and 5.5g match. |
| 10:06:34 | GodEater_Web | so nothing funny going on between the two versions then |
| 10:07:21 | linuxstb | It could well use runtime detection though, and do things differently on the various different 5g/5.5g models. |
| 10:07:55 | Llorean | So it's the same apple_os between 5G and 5.5G? |
| 10:08:01 | GodEater_Web | possible |
| 10:08:04 | GodEater_Web | but I don't believe that |
| 10:08:18 | GodEater_Web | that would have shown considerable foresight when they were writing for the 5G |
| 10:08:22 | Llorean | Well he said the checksums match. |
| 10:08:35 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: I assume it's the newest firmware for 5G that he's comparing. |
| 10:08:47 | GodEater_Web | ah I see what you mean |
| 10:10:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: Are there older (pre-5.5th gen) versions of the 5th gen firmware available? |
| 10:11:14 | * | amiconn wonders what would happen when running such an older version on a 5.5th gen |
| 10:12:59 | linuxstb | I've got a copy of the original firmware partition from my 5g from December 2005. |
| 10:13:24 | amiconn | It might also be interesting to disassemble both an older version and the most recent version, and then search for differences in the code |
| 10:13:38 | amiconn | ...especially in places where the ata i/f addresses appear |
| 10:14:05 | GodEater_Web | curious, just replacing CMD_READ_SECTORS with CMD_READ_DMA and I get status:0x50 |
| 10:14:12 | GodEater_Web | i.e. no error |
| 10:14:36 | GodEater_Web | mind you - not a lot else happened :) |
| 10:15:22 | amiconn | LinusN: around? |
| 10:17:03 | dewdude | ...so..is rockbox known to work on 5.5g models? |
| 10:17:14 | linuxstb | 30GB, yes. 80GB, no. |
| 10:17:24 | Bagder | ... as said on the web site's front page |
| 10:17:32 | GodEater_Web | in plain english |
| 10:17:53 | dewdude | as it did...but somewhere else on the page, it said it didn't run on 5.5g at all.... |
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| 10:18:06 | Bagder | where? |
| 10:18:19 | dewdude | uhm...let me see if i can remember..i've spent the last 3 hours loading music |
| 10:19:20 | LinusN | amiconn: here now |
| 10:19:49 | amiconn | LinusN: I have a small change for the ata driver (archos related), getting rid of one more ifdef |
| 10:20:01 | LinusN | oh |
| 10:20:08 | dewdude | can i post URL? |
| 10:20:14 | amiconn | I moved the ata_address_detect code into ata_device_init |
| 10:20:28 | linuxstb | dewdude: Please do. |
| 10:20:47 | dewdude | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#So_which_is_better_Rockbox_or_i |
| 10:20:51 | amiconn | This way it may be executed more than once, but since it just checks hw mask bits I don't think that it will cause problems |
| 10:21:02 | dewdude | under "Which Ipods does rockbox support" |
| 10:21:14 | dewdude | it doesn't specify the 30 gig model as working |
| 10:21:18 | amiconn | It also saves one function call, saving a tiny bit of code |
| 10:21:41 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm for it |
| 10:21:42 | Bagder | the curse of having the same info on more than one place... |
| 10:21:45 | amiconn | Do you think I should commit that right away, or would you prefer to test on some more targets first (e.g. fmrecorder)? |
| 10:21:46 | linuxstb | dewdude: It's only been a day or two since it became officially supported, so not every reference has been updated. |
| 10:21:56 | amiconn | I tested on recv1 and player, no problems |
| 10:22:05 | LinusN | amiconn: nah, go ahead |
| 10:22:08 | amiconn | ok |
| 10:22:18 | dewdude | ahhh |
| 10:22:32 | Llorean | dewdude: The page was older than the front page, but is now updated. |
| 10:22:34 | dewdude | i didn't bother actually digging into things till i actually got ahold of an ipod |
| 10:22:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: If you're in a wiki-editing mood, is IpodStatus OK as well? |
| 10:23:07 | * | Llorean goes looking |
| 10:23:17 | Llorean | Needs fixing |
| 10:23:27 | * | Llorean goes fixing |
| 10:24:48 | Llorean | IpodStatus now says we support 30gigabyt 5.5G |
| 10:24:50 | Llorean | gigabyte |
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| 10:27:59 | myzar | really? :> |
| 10:28:08 | * | scorche hides |
| 10:28:17 | * | myzar licks scorche |
| 10:28:45 | scorche | how did you find me? (and yes, the 30 gig 5.5g is now supported if you didnt know) |
| 10:28:59 | Llorean | The new iPodPatcher is all kinds of goodness. |
| 10:29:15 | scorche | indeed...makes things easier on people as well |
| 10:29:34 | scorche | so you should go lick linuxstb |
| 10:30:09 | * | myzar licks linuxstb |
| 10:30:15 | myzar | but scorche |
| 10:30:17 | myzar | 80 gigs are still down |
| 10:30:18 | myzar | ;[ |
| 10:30:21 | scorche | yup |
| 10:30:30 | myzar | what if i throw it at the wall |
| 10:30:32 | myzar | would it work then? |
| 10:30:44 | Llorean | I doubt percussive methods would be terribly beneficial. |
| 10:30:44 | scorche | we are working on it...take a look at the logs for the last few days |
| 10:31:16 | myzar | my bnc has been on |
| 10:31:18 | myzar | i've been lazy |
| 10:31:24 | myzar | that reminds me... xbmc and ##C++ have banned me |
| 10:31:28 | myzar | and i didn't say a word in either |
| 10:31:31 | myzar | ever. |
| 10:31:33 | * | Llorean wonders if anyone's stuck a 5.5G 80gb disk in a 5.5G 30gb. |
| 10:32:05 | myzar | try it Llorean |
| 10:32:13 | myzar | watch as it smokes and burns |
| 10:32:17 | Llorean | Provide me with both devices, and I'll gladly perform the operation. |
| 10:32:30 | * | GodEater_Web will too |
| 10:32:44 | myzar | heh |
| 10:32:50 | * | Llorean starts planning a raid on the local electronics store. |
| 10:32:50 | myzar | how about |
| 10:32:52 | myzar | no |
| 10:32:52 | myzar | ;p |
| 10:32:59 | myzar | or... yes |
| 10:33:08 | * | myzar provides Llorean with some lockpicks |
| 10:33:12 | GodEater_Web | right well the DMA read isn't returning an error, but neither is the buffer filling up - I suspect I've got more work to do |
| 10:33:31 | scorche | myzar: lockpiking is a skill...just the tools wont be enough ;) |
| 10:33:41 | miepchen^schlaf | the 30gb 5.5 is a bit thinner than the 80gb 5.5 |
| 10:33:57 | scorche | miepchen^schlaf: you dont have to put the back on |
| 10:34:04 | myzar | then you guys have gotten past the ATA SLEEP |
| 10:34:07 | myzar | good :D |
| 10:34:19 | myzar | but theres no error you say? |
| 10:34:24 | amiconn | GodEater_Web: It cannot 'just work'. Afaiu, DMA uses different signals, so you need to find out how these are connected. |
| 10:34:35 | myzar | ;\ |
| 10:34:46 | myzar | can i ask santa claus |
| 10:34:52 | myzar | to get me a working rockbox for 80 gigs? |
| 10:34:54 | myzar | =P |
| 10:35:03 | myzar | you know, in russia, there is no christmas |
| 10:35:05 | myzar | it's all new year |
| 10:35:34 | Llorean | Snarky remarks don't work if people think you're still offering advice. |
| 10:35:38 | Llorean | =/ |
| 10:35:38 | GodEater_Web | amiconn: yeah, I'd figured that - but I'm ever the optimist :) |
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| 10:41:51 | GodEater_Web | ah pooh |
| 10:41:59 | GodEater_Web | this needs interupts and stuff |
| 10:42:02 | Llorean | Heh |
| 10:42:10 | GodEater_Web | I think my brain my go on strike |
| 10:42:36 | GodEater_Web | but this MUST be the right path to go down - given there's no error being returned. |
| 10:43:03 | Llorean | Not necessarily. |
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| 10:43:09 | linuxstb | Maybe it's just not trying to do anything... |
| 10:43:12 | Llorean | A lack of response can also mean "it doesn't know it's supposed to respond yet" |
| 10:43:17 | myzar | thts the spirit |
| 10:43:50 | GodEater_Web | there's not "No response" Llorean |
| 10:43:56 | GodEater_Web | it's changing the status register |
| 10:44:06 | Llorean | Ah |
| 10:44:12 | GodEater_Web | so it's doing something :) |
| 10:44:20 | myzar | well, debug what its doing |
| 10:44:26 | myzar | and find out when and why it changes? |
| 10:44:28 | myzar | =p |
| 10:44:34 | GodEater_Web | myzar: sod off - this isn't easy |
| 10:44:38 | myzar | easier said than done. |
| 10:44:40 | myzar | but a schema |
| 10:44:43 | myzar | or a plan of attack will help |
| 10:44:53 | amiconn | Somehow I doubt that dma mode is the issue. According to the identify info, no dma mode is enabled |
| 10:45:19 | GodEater_Web | amiconn: that's not what I read in the identify nfo |
| 10:45:40 | GodEater_Web | I think the stuff I dumped yesterday was after set_features() was called |
| 10:45:46 | amiconn | I know. But the identify info indicates whether dma transfer modes are enabled - and they're not |
| 10:45:48 | GodEater_Web | which forces PIO mode |
| 10:46:11 | GodEater_Web | when I looked before, when LinusN had me turn set_features() off |
| 10:46:18 | GodEater_Web | it was specifying dma mode 4 |
| 10:46:33 | amiconn | You mean ultra dma? |
| 10:46:37 | GodEater_Web | I've commented out set_features() again now |
| 10:46:40 | GodEater_Web | think so |
| 10:46:43 | GodEater_Web | let me check again |
| 10:46:49 | * | GodEater_Web goes hunting for the right word |
| 10:46:50 | amiconn | Multi-word dma only knows modes 0..2 |
| 10:47:18 | amiconn | ...and I doubt that the ipod hw will come even close to any ultra-dma timing |
| 10:48:00 | GodEater_Web | pessimist :) |
| 10:48:42 | amiconn | Dumping identify_info right after power-up without calling set_features beforehand should tell |
| 10:49:09 | linuxstb | The PP chips support ATA-66 IIRC from the product briefs. |
| 10:49:31 | GodEater_Web | word 63 |
| 10:51:30 | GodEater_Web | comes back with 0x7 |
| 10:51:38 | GodEater_Web | so all multi-word DMA modes are supported |
| 10:52:21 | amiconn | Yes, supported, but not enabled |
| 10:53:01 | amiconn | All ata devices since at least 12 years ago are supposed to support mw-dma |
| 10:53:38 | amiconn | Word 88 would be interesting |
| 10:54:02 | GodEater_Web | I was just getting that one :) |
| 10:55:16 | amiconn | Hmm, your dump from yesterday tells that UDMA4 is enabled... |
| 10:55:19 | GodEater_Web | 101F |
| 10:55:40 | amiconn | Yes, UDMA0..4 all supported, UDMA4 selected |
| 10:56:08 | GodEater_Web | knew I wasn't imagining having seen a mode 4 |
| 10:56:42 | amiconn | Now go ahead and find out how to use UDMA on PP... |
| 10:56:59 | * | amiconn is surprised |
| 10:57:00 | GodEater_Web | pah - easy, and with my free hand I'll be a fusion reactor |
| 10:57:07 | GodEater_Web | *build |
| 10:57:38 | amiconn | Hmm. I'm curious how the identify info does look on the various other ipods |
| 10:57:48 | amiconn | I can check on mini G2 myself |
| 10:58:09 | GodEater_Web | digital camera - don't do what I did and type out by hand :) |
| 10:58:22 | GodEater_Web | although I suppose on the G2 you can dump it to a text file |
| 10:58:30 | GodEater_Web | which would be much better |
| 10:58:42 | amiconn | The others won't need a digicam. Just read identify_info at boot and save it to a file later |
| 10:59:00 | GodEater_Web | I need more coffee - back in a bit |
| 10:59:04 | amiconn | I did that yesterday on X5 to see what the MK2006GAL gives back |
| 10:59:26 | amiconn | No text file, just a pure dump. Then I used a hex editor to read it |
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| 11:03:25 | * | amiconn is searching how udma modes are enabled/disabled |
| 11:04:35 | amiconn | Hmm, that would be SET_FEATURES as well |
| 11:04:47 | amiconn | So set_features forces pio mode |
| 11:05:31 | GodEater_Web | yep |
| 11:07:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:10:12 | GodEater_Web | how does set_features() work? I'm not sure I understand the sub-command / parameter stuff |
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| 11:15:16 | GodEater_Web | oh wait, I get it |
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| 11:25:02 | * | GodEater_Web wonders if using UDMA is fundamentally different to using DMA |
| 11:28:27 | LinusN | we shouldn't have to use udma |
| 11:30:28 | GodEater_Web | I just can't work out what to put into set_features to make it use DMA |
| 11:30:43 | LinusN | why dma? |
| 11:30:48 | LinusN | nwy not pio? |
| 11:30:58 | GodEater_Web | pio doesn't appear to work |
| 11:31:06 | GodEater_Web | so I thought I'd try DMA to see if it made a difference |
| 11:31:29 | GodEater_Web | the DMA READ command isn't returning errors like READ_SECTORS and READ_MULTIPLE are |
| 11:31:53 | LinusN | do we even have the faintest clue how to operate dma ata on the portal player? |
| 11:32:19 | GodEater_Web | none whatsoever - but we also don't have the faintest clue how to make PIO not return errors |
| 11:32:56 | GodEater_Web | I thought this might be worth a go |
| 11:33:22 | JdGordon | daurn: hey, you around? |
| 11:33:24 | LinusN | using dma reguires new knowledge about the portalplayer chipset |
| 11:33:31 | daurn | no |
| 11:33:45 | JdGordon | you smelling smoke also? or am i goin crazy again? |
| 11:33:53 | daurn | uh |
| 11:33:55 | daurn | no smoke here |
| 11:34:04 | daurn | check your house for fires :P |
| 11:34:11 | GodEater_Web | LinusN: that may be so - but I'm out of ideas otherwise |
| 11:34:22 | JdGordon | thats why im asking :p smoke alarms arnt goin off so i figure its the bushfires again |
| 11:35:10 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hows your cue patch going? |
| 11:35:42 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it's all on the wiki, haven't worked on it today |
| 11:36:02 | Nico_P | on the sim it works grat, but when i tested it on my H320 it crashed :( |
| 11:36:17 | JdGordon | ok, I havnt had a chance to look at yours yet, Im still tihnking it sholdnt be in the core unless its handled less hacky |
| 11:36:25 | JdGordon | :( |
| 11:36:35 | Nico_P | and how is yours going ? |
| 11:36:52 | JdGordon | havnt touched it today, mostly finished I rekon |
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| 11:40:27 | Gnelik | dan_a: Hi Dan! |
| 11:40:52 | dan_a | LinusN, GodEater_Web: For DMA info look at Bagder's page on the E200 NAND interface |
| 11:41:09 | dan_a | Gnelik: Hi - I'm just popping in - I'm busy at work at the moment |
| 11:41:18 | Gnelik | dan_a: I have updated my Rb source to latest from CVs do i need to put your patch? |
| 11:41:45 | dan_a | Gnelik: It's not in CVS yet, so yes. |
| 11:42:07 | Gnelik | Is it working with a curent one? |
| 11:44:08 | GodEater_Web | dan_a: that nice little code stub you gave me the other day for dumping out ata_reads was missing a function definition for printc() - do you have it somewhere? |
| 11:45:30 | GodEater_Web | also - do you have a link to the E200 page you're referring to ? |
| 11:46:01 | scorche | daniel.haxx.se should link to it somewhere |
| 11:46:12 | petur | JdGordon: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7753.0 |
| 11:46:39 | JdGordon | ... loading ... |
| 11:47:12 | JdGordon | eek... damn |
| 11:47:29 | scorche | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 11:47:34 | GodEater_Web | you wouldn't credit it, but daniel.haxx.se is a banned site from work =( |
| 11:47:40 | GodEater_Web | how lame |
| 11:47:54 | scorche | reason given? |
| 11:47:59 | GodEater_Web | none |
| 11:48:05 | scorche | ouch |
| 11:48:07 | GodEater_Web | I just get an access denied |
| 11:48:13 | petur | you're supposed to work at work? |
| 11:48:21 | GodEater_Web | apparently |
| 11:48:40 | GodEater_Web | although it *is* christmas |
| 11:48:47 | JdGordon | petur: unless we want to force a settings save on shutdown im not sure what to do about these |
| 11:49:16 | scorche | GodEater_Web: is pastebin.ca banned as well? |
| 11:49:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: Didn't settings save used to occur on shutdowns? |
| 11:49:37 | GodEater_Web | nope |
| 11:49:39 | GodEater_Web | it's okay |
| 11:49:45 | GodEater_Web | anonymouse.org to the rescue |
| 11:49:47 | GodEater_Web | :) |
| 11:50:06 | daurn | anyone know how to get stuff shipped from land of rising sun? |
| 11:50:11 | JdGordon | Llorean: I think so, but there was a hope to not cause a disk write on shutdown unless it was nesscacery |
| 11:50:33 | JdGordon | daurn: im pretty sure they have a postal service.. |
| 11:50:51 | daurn | not when the vendor doesn't ship international |
| 11:51:14 | JdGordon | then you need to know someone there.. or courier pickup or something |
| 11:51:21 | GodEater_Web | sansa is portalplayer as well isn't it ? |
| 11:51:37 | daurn | :( |
| 11:51:40 | Llorean | GodEater_Web: Yes. |
| 11:51:42 | daurn | any1 here from japan? |
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| 11:51:53 | GodEater_Web | so that DMA info could be v. useful indeed :) |
| 11:52:55 | GodEater_Web | best save it locally before anonymouse get's banned too |
| 11:54:13 | markun | daurn: dongs is from japan.. |
| 11:54:17 | dan_a | GodEater_Web: printc() just turned any non-alphanumeric characters to '.' |
| 11:54:44 | scorche | markun: haha....right |
| 11:55:19 | GodEater_Web | dan_a: yeah - I just couldn't be bothered to write it myself :) |
| 11:55:23 | pill | morning |
| 11:55:31 | pill | i finally have my nano 2G |
| 11:55:42 | pill | it's such a lovely piece of hardware.. |
| 11:55:55 | dan_a | GodEater_Web: I'll dig it out when I get home this evening (About 7pm GMT) |
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| 11:56:59 | GodEater_Web | hmm - those sansa registers look like they're miles away from the ipod ones |
| 11:57:30 | linuxstb_ | GodEater_Web: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html if you haven't found it already. |
| 11:57:50 | * | linuxstb_ spots it in the logs.... |
| 11:58:13 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb_: thanks - I got it :) |
| 11:58:27 | linuxstb_ | I'm catching up now... |
| 11:58:35 | scorche | =) |
| 11:59:35 | linuxstb_ | I assume that under the DMA write section, "destination memory address" should be "source memory address" ? |
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| 12:00:17 | GodEater_Web | that would make sense |
| 12:00:37 | LinusN | ehum, i don't see how this in any way relates to ATA DMA |
| 12:01:44 | GodEater_Web | I'm sort of struggling with that too |
| 12:01:46 | LinusN | the dma described on that page is just a simple generic dma |
| 12:02:03 | GodEater_Web | I thought ATA DMA generated an interupt when it's done reading |
| 12:02:20 | LinusN | i bet you can poll that status as well |
| 12:02:32 | LinusN | still, the ata dma is an entirely different beast |
| 12:03:05 | * | amiconn cannot find anything dma realted on Bagder's page |
| 12:03:14 | GodEater_Web | well I'm stumped for other ideas to try |
| 12:03:16 | linuxstb_ | It's at the bottom of the NAND page |
| 12:03:25 | LinusN | amiconn: follow the "NAND interface" link |
| 12:03:33 | GodEater_Web | PIO just seems to refuse to work |
| 12:04:21 | LinusN | lunch time for me |
| 12:04:31 | daurn | markun: dongs? |
| 12:05:28 | amiconn | hehe |
| 12:05:36 | scorche | heh...i thought he wasnt around for that |
| 12:06:13 | JdGordon | would anyone be really upset if the runtime settings were removed? |
| 12:07:24 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:07:38 | amiconn | But they aren't settings, they are status information |
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| 12:10:41 | pixelma | and the "view runtime" screen still doesn't work properly since button actions... |
| 12:10:59 | amiconn | Not the only one... |
| 12:11:23 | * | JdGordon hears someone calling.... "cooming" *runs away* |
| 12:11:28 | amiconn | Powering on from the charging screen still uses the wrong button on the player, and on the recorder it's easy to confuse the screen |
| 12:11:47 | JdGordon | so fix the keymap? |
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| 12:12:23 | amiconn | Using Short ON works as expected, but if one holds ON for too long, or presses/holds other buttons first, it happens that short ON doesn't work anymore |
| 12:12:36 | amiconn | Really odd... |
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| 12:14:34 | JdGordon | well, im just lookign at the view runtime screen code, and its not using the multi-screen api at all, and that screen has annoyed me for a long time.. so im redoing it :p |
| 12:15:48 | GodEater_Web | which version arm controller is in the pp chips ? |
| 12:15:54 | Slasheri | that runtime screen also seems to be very unreliable.. for me it resets once in a while, so the displayed runtime is not correct |
| 12:16:00 | JdGordon | it also doesnt use lang, which is crap |
| 12:16:05 | Slasheri | and holding a button in the screen, stops the runtime counter! |
| 12:16:41 | markun | daurn: dongs used to come here to tell us how stupid we all are for not doing things the way he does (windows is the only OS, gvim is the only editor, ...) |
| 12:17:02 | amiconn | Slasheri: It doesn't reset 'once in a while', but when you charge the unit (on purpose), and on settings version change (which will go hopefully soon) |
| 12:17:02 | JdGordon | good old dongs, always happy to give us a laugh |
| 12:17:17 | amiconn | When charging only the current runtime is reset of course |
| 12:17:17 | markun | I think he's still on freenode |
| 12:17:28 | barrywardell | GodEater_Web: arm7tdmi |
| 12:17:30 | scorche | dont forget how horrible we were for using GCC and how we should pay thousands for a "real" compiler |
| 12:17:35 | JdGordon | markun: yeah, he is online now |
| 12:17:37 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah.. |
| 12:17:41 | GodEater_Web | barrywardell: thanks :) |
| 12:18:27 | barrywardell | dan_a: thanks for testing that on your 3G. I'll commit it now in a minute :) |
| 12:19:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: You can also reset each runtime separately by pressing a button in the runtime screen |
| 12:19:30 | daurn | ew |
| 12:19:32 | daurn | vim |
| 12:19:33 | daurn | ew |
| 12:19:38 | daurn | vi |
| 12:19:39 | daurn | ew :S |
| 12:21:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: The runtime info screen doesn't use multi-screen and language because it's under debug. Perhaps it should go into the standard info menu instead |
| 12:22:04 | JdGordon | yeah, its not really a debug screen anyway, just because thats where it is in the menu |
| 12:22:19 | JdGordon | move it to screens.c? |
| 12:23:14 | Slasheri | but there is no way to know if battery has been charged when player has been switched off |
| 12:23:30 | Slasheri | an uptime and total uptime screen could be more useful in fact |
| 12:25:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: True, but then the H1x0 is the only target (with internal charging) that can charge while the unit is off |
| 12:25:42 | amiconn | Ondio has a similar problem though, as it doesn't charge internally at all, but you change batteries. The Ondio has no way of knowing when that happens |
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| 12:27:33 | barrywardell | amiconn: H10 can charge while off too |
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| 12:31:04 | GodEater_Web | god evince is a rubbish pdf viewer |
| 12:31:50 | markun | I like it |
| 12:32:01 | habana | me too |
| 12:32:22 | pill | is a port for the nano 2G to be expected? or is the encrypted firmware a definite blocking point? |
| 12:33:13 | Llorean | It's by no means guaranteed to happen, as it pretty much depends on the efforts of those who have the player |
| 12:33:40 | pill | well i have it, but i don't think i can be of any help |
| 12:34:08 | pill | except if you want me to run firmware dumping commands or some things like that |
| 12:34:11 | markun | and the hardware is quite different from the other ipods so it will be a completely new port |
| 12:34:26 | pill | yeah i read about that on IPL forums |
| 12:34:34 | pill | it's no PortalPlayer |
| 12:37:05 | GodEater_Web | think we already have the firmware dumped - it's just unreadable because of the encryption |
| 12:37:21 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb_: has a G2 Nano |
| 12:40:18 | JdGordon | a ^= 1 will invert the LSB right? |
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| 12:44:04 | linuxstb_ | GodEater_Web: Yes, but I have no ability to solve the encryption problem. |
| 12:44:30 | barrywardell | Bagder: I think the build table needs to be updated. The e200 build now creates rockbox.e200 rather than PP5022.mi4 |
| 12:44:42 | Bagder | ah |
| 12:44:43 | GodEater_Web | linuxstb: I know that - but I was just pointing out to pill that one of our devs already had a G2 nano, and therefore likely had the firmware already |
| 12:45:13 | Bagder | done |
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| 12:46:29 | Slasheri | JdGordon: a = (a & 0xfe) | ((~a) & 0x01) |
| 12:46:44 | Slasheri | JdGordon: that should invert it for 8 bit char |
| 12:47:18 | JdGordon | ok, ill just stay with the state = state==1?2:1 then |
| 12:47:58 | amiconn | a ^= 1; is way simpler |
| 12:48:05 | Slasheri | or in fact that does it also |
| 12:48:24 | Slasheri | haven't just used xor for a long time |
| 12:48:26 | * | amiconn likes eor |
| 12:50:13 | GodEater_Web | isn't he a donkey |
| 12:50:15 | GodEater_Web | ? |
| 12:50:17 | GodEater_Web | :) |
| 12:50:25 | GodEater_Web | oh wait - that's eyor |
| 12:50:28 | JdGordon | haha.. no thats eeyooorr! |
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| 12:51:42 | Dksaarth_ | Hey hey :] |
| 12:52:09 | Dksaarth_ | anybody around? |
| 12:52:34 | | Nick linuxstb_ is now known as anybody (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) |
| 12:52:39 | anybody | Hi. |
| 12:52:54 | n1s | :-) |
| 12:52:56 | Dksaarth_ | lol |
| 12:53:16 | JdGordon | what OS is on the comp logbot is on? |
| 12:53:28 | n1s | wow, that is the longest commit message I've seen... |
| 12:53:41 | | Nick anybody is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) |
| 12:54:01 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 12:54:11 | Ctcp | Version from scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
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| 12:54:23 | Dksaarth_ | i believe that add ons like the itrip currently don't work with rockbox on the ipod right? |
| 12:54:25 | JdGordon | Bagder: you cant make the What column any wider? |
| 12:54:33 | scorche | JdGordon: probably linux... |
| 12:54:36 | n1s | Dksaarth_: correct |
| 12:54:45 | Dksaarth_ | is there anybody working on that |
| 12:54:46 | Dksaarth_ | ? |
| 12:55:09 | n1s | Dksaarth_: don't know for sure but I don't think so |
| 12:55:27 | Dksaarth_ | hmmm |
| 12:55:33 | linuxstb | I don't believe so. The first hurdle is getting the low-level serial driver in the ipods working. |
| 12:55:48 | barrywardell | n1s: yes, I was very verbose with that commit message. It's all pretty much summed up in the first sentence though :) |
| 12:55:59 | scorche | JdGordon: ick...we have a spin-up before shutdown now? =S |
| 12:56:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: Forcing a settings save on shutdown without reason is _bad_ |
| 12:56:08 | Dksaarth_ | and hows that coming along linuxstb ? |
| 12:56:08 | scorche | haha |
| 12:56:11 | linuxstb | Then it's reverse-engineering the Apple Accessory Protocol (which is already at least partly done). |
| 12:56:15 | scorche | amiconn: nice one... |
| 12:56:18 | amiconn | Imho this should be reverted asap |
| 12:56:18 | JdGordon | the reason is the settings are being rude and for some reason not saving |
| 12:56:19 | linuxstb | Dksaarth_: I don't believe anyone is working on it. |
| 12:56:34 | Dksaarth_ | hmm |
| 12:56:45 | Dksaarth_ | has it been started at all ? |
| 12:56:47 | linuxstb | Dksaarth_: Personally, I just use generic accessories, not ones tied to a specific mp3 player. |
| 12:56:52 | JdGordon | amiconn: I figured it would be better having this temporarily and fix the problem than have settings not saving |
| 12:57:09 | Dksaarth_ | im totally new to the rockbox thing, but am interested in trying to do some coding |
| 12:57:17 | amiconn | A kludge is usually worse than leaving the problem there for a proper fix |
| 12:57:29 | linuxstb | Dksaarth_: There is some code in the ipodlinux kernel for the serial port, but according to the IPL developers it doesn't work. |
| 12:57:30 | amiconn | Kludges make people forget that there is a problem |
| 12:57:33 | scorche | JdGordon: i would agree if there wasnt an option to save your settings to a file, which there is of course |
| 12:57:54 | JdGordon | ok, ill revert it if thats the general concensus? |
| 12:57:59 | amiconn | Speaking about settings - for some reason the backlight timeout on h1x0 doesn't behave... |
| 12:58:27 | * | Dksaarth_ goes off to read about the serial port for the IPL kernel |
| 12:58:31 | scorche | well, so far, just amiconn and i have spoken out |
| 12:58:31 | Dksaarth_ | thanks |
| 12:58:38 | scorche | thirded anyone? |
| 12:58:48 | amiconn | It seems that it loads the correct timeout on boot, but doesn't tell the backlight driver |
| 12:59:12 | amiconn | Entering and leaving the option once fixes it until shutdown |
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| 13:00:01 | Llorean | amiconn: When rockbox.ipod is loaded into the firmware partition on iPods, the first button press won't turn on the backlight, but as soon as the timeout occurs and fading begins, the backlight lights up solely to fade out, then works as normal. I don't know if that's related at all. |
| 13:00:04 | r33 | Hi |
| 13:00:44 | r33 | how i reset my ipod whit rockbox ? |
| 13:00:49 | r33 | it's freezed! |
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| 13:00:55 | r33 | therarent any reset button help! |
| 13:00:58 | scorche | same way you always did |
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| 13:01:30 | Dksaarth_ | what ipod is it ? |
| 13:01:35 | r33 | ipod nano |
| 13:01:39 | scorche | Dksaarth_: all ipods are the same... |
| 13:01:39 | amiconn | Llorean: That's a different problem. Main rockbox expects the backlight to be on at boot (switched on by the bootloader), but that doesn't happen when there is no bootloader |
| 13:01:40 | r33 | 1st generation |
| 13:01:44 | Dksaarth_ | to reset the nano's you hold the middle button and top button for 4 seconds |
| 13:01:57 | scorche | 5 actually, in most cases |
| 13:02:00 | Dksaarth_ | thanks scorche, didn't know that |
| 13:02:01 | r33 | the menu button and the play button ? |
| 13:02:01 | Dksaarth_ | heh |
| 13:02:09 | scorche | no...select and play |
| 13:02:11 | r33 | ok |
| 13:02:13 | Dksaarth_ | middle |
| 13:02:15 | Dksaarth_ | above play |
| 13:02:21 | r33 | but the baclight it's alwais on |
| 13:02:24 | r33 | the system is blocked |
| 13:02:29 | r33 | doesn't respond! |
| 13:02:29 | * | JdGordon sees if he can beat barrywardell's commit message length |
| 13:02:32 | Llorean | amiconn: I thought it was something like that, but it seems odd that keypresses don't bring it up. |
| 13:02:46 | Dksaarth_ | its a hardware reset, should work, just make sure u hold both buttons for long enough |
| 13:02:49 | scorche | r33: just do what we told you |
| 13:03:15 | r33 | doesn't work!:( |
| 13:03:24 | scorche | then hold it longer |
| 13:03:28 | GodEater_Web | yeah |
| 13:03:32 | GodEater_Web | I've had to do it for a minute |
| 13:03:33 | r33 | the ipod is totally freezed |
| 13:03:35 | GodEater_Web | sometimes |
| 13:03:42 | amiconn | Llorean: It's not odd. The code "thinks" the light is on, so subsequent keypresses do nothing |
| 13:03:46 | scorche | stop whining and hold it...it will work |
| 13:04:00 | scorche | GodEater_Web: max it should take is 30 seconds, cut that is rare |
| 13:04:05 | scorche | s/cut/but |
| 13:04:07 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, gotcha. |
| 13:04:21 | GodEater_Web | scorche: yeah it doesn't happen often |
| 13:04:34 | r33 | nada it doesnt work :( |
| 13:04:44 | scorche | JdGordon: while you are at it, beat kkrubjun's score too |
| 13:04:49 | Dksaarth_ | u got hold on r33? |
| 13:04:53 | Dksaarth_ | it works |
| 13:04:54 | Llorean | r33: Turn hold on, then turn hold off, then hold MENU plus the SELECT (center) button. Do not let your fingers even touch the other buttons, nor wiggle. |
| 13:04:54 | scorche | r33: do you have....yeah |
| 13:04:55 | r33 | yes |
| 13:05:08 | r33 | i hold the center button and the play button |
| 13:05:09 | JdGordon | scorche: na, im not that skilled :D |
| 13:05:13 | Dksaarth_ | sigh |
| 13:05:15 | Dksaarth_ | not the play button |
| 13:05:16 | scorche | we said center and menu |
| 13:05:16 | Llorean | r33: Nobody said the play button |
| 13:05:20 | Dksaarth_ | center button and MENU button |
| 13:05:30 | r33 | <scorche> no...select and play |
| 13:05:44 | scorche | heh... |
| 13:05:46 | r33 | okkkkkkkkkk |
| 13:05:48 | r33 | workkkkkkkkkkk |
| 13:05:48 | scorche | s/play/menu |
| 13:05:54 | r33 | Thanks :)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:05:54 | r33 | :) |
| 13:06:05 | * | scorche got distracted by you saying play ;) |
| 13:06:06 | Dksaarth_ | np |
| 13:06:12 | r33 | and another thing where i can find plugin for rockbox? |
| 13:06:19 | scorche | all plugins are included |
| 13:06:20 | linuxstb | Llorean: When you have a chance, can you update to the latest CVS, compile yourself a new bootloader, write it with "-wf" and try loading the apple_os.ipod file again? |
| 13:06:24 | r33 | Soap ok :) |
| 13:06:31 | r33 | *scorche ok:) |
| 13:06:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: I can do that right now. |
| 13:06:50 | * | Llorean waits for VMWare player to load. |
| 13:06:54 | JdGordon | shold the status bar be drawn on the runtime screen? |
| 13:07:53 | amiconn | Imho it should |
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| 13:08:13 | amiconn | Status bar should be on all core screens if enabled |
| 13:08:41 | amiconn | Debug screens are an exception of course |
| 13:08:56 | habana | gloups, cant find sansa on cvs page , what's happense |
| 13:09:04 | habana | build broken ? |
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| 13:09:25 | habana | oups, found it |
| 13:09:34 | habana | sorry :) |
| 13:11:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: It works! At least, Apple_OS boots from file, and can play music and USB connect (both things that froze last way back when), I can't test Nike features, of course, so I don't know how well it plays with the RCSC |
| 13:13:09 | Bagder | habana: the build was broken for a short while |
| 13:13:14 | barrywardell | does that mean the new crt0 fixed it? :) |
| 13:13:31 | habana | Bagder:thanks |
| 13:14:43 | linuxstb | Llorean: Good news. |
| 13:15:00 | Llorean | If I update to a CVS build, might ROLO work as well? |
| 13:15:12 | linuxstb | I don't think so. |
| 13:15:30 | Llorean | Wasn't sure if those were at all related. |
| 13:15:38 | linuxstb | We need to do things to the COP to prepare it for starting the Apple firmware. Those things happen in the bootloader, but not in rolo. |
| 13:15:45 | Llorean | Ah |
| 13:16:02 | linuxstb | And barrywardell's commit seems to fix what the bootloader was doing. |
| 13:16:15 | habana | Bagder: played yesterday with a few plugins, really amazing :) |
| 13:16:36 | barrywardell | does that mean we could just apply the same fixes to rolo and it would work? |
| 13:16:41 | Llorean | ROLO would be quite nice, because then I can have very fast Rockbox boots + the option to boot Apple_OS for transfers |
| 13:17:12 | barrywardell | linuxstb: have you tested ROLO with the new crt0 yet? |
| 13:17:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: Exactly... No need for a bootloader menu, just click in your "Start Apple Firmware.ipod" file in the file browser. |
| 13:17:44 | Llorean | It would be lovely. |
| 13:18:13 | JdGordon | ok, the most important question for the night.... in the info menu, where should the running time item be? 3rd between version and debug? |
| 13:18:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell: No. We need to ensure both the COP and main CPU branch to 0x10000000 when starting the Apple firmware. At the moment, I doubt the COP does that. |
| 13:18:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: /*settings_save();*/ |
| 13:18:41 | LinusN | why not remove it? |
| 13:19:07 | JdGordon | umm... |
| 13:19:53 | JdGordon | I still think the band-aid solution shhuold apply here, I gues its easier to uncomment then type the whole call again if people want to put it back |
| 13:20:03 | JdGordon | shuold I remove it properly? |
| 13:20:04 | linuxstb | Llorean: The IPL kernel probably works with ROLO though - try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/2006-12-10-kernel.ipod |
| 13:20:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes i think so |
| 13:20:25 | linuxstb | It should work, then give you an error about a missing root filesystem. |
| 13:20:57 | JdGordon | bah, ok |
| 13:21:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Speaking about linux - I don't understand why ipl requires an ext2 partition |
| 13:21:28 | * | Llorean goes to test |
| 13:21:29 | Bagder | it shouldn't need to |
| 13:21:40 | amiconn | Iirc there once was an extension called UMSDOS that allowed a linux kernel to run from a FAT partition |
| 13:21:45 | linuxstb | I think it's simply that no-one has attempted to remove that dependency. |
| 13:21:55 | linuxstb | (or no-one that knows enough about Linux) |
| 13:22:08 | Bagder | I doubt hardly anyone builds their own linux kernel for ipl |
| 13:22:13 | amiconn | I wonder whether that could be applied to ipl (not that I'd need ipl, but this way it wouldn't take away too much valuable space) |
| 13:22:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: Checksum error |
| 13:22:31 | Bagder | amiconn: it is probably just a matter of reconfiguring and rebuilding |
| 13:22:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: Ah, of course. I'll fix. |
| 13:22:45 | linuxstb | (it's built for my Photo) |
| 13:22:49 | Llorean | Heh |
| 13:23:06 | Llorean | Apple_OS.bin at least tries to do something when it says "Executing" because my earphones pop slightly |
| 13:23:44 | Llorean | I bet a version of IPL that could be run from a FAT32 partition (and thusly ROLOd) would actually be rather welcome among the gamer folk that we seem to attract |
| 13:23:58 | linuxstb | Try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/kernel-nano.ipod |
| 13:24:25 | Bagder | when you build linux, you enable/disable each file system you want to support. ext2 and fat are equivalent in the eyes of the kernel |
| 13:24:39 | linuxstb | Can you create device nodes on a FAT32 partition though/ |
| 13:24:40 | linuxstb | ? |
| 13:24:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: Much larger than the last file I downloaded |
| 13:24:48 | Bagder | ah |
| 13:24:58 | Bagder | dev files might be hard |
| 13:25:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yup, "unable to mount root fs" |
| 13:25:07 | linuxstb | A ramfs filesystem? |
| 13:25:08 | Bagder | those would need a small ramfs |
| 13:25:11 | linuxstb | :) |
| 13:25:14 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:25:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, that's good news. At least rolo seems more reliable now. We just need to fix the COP and hopefully the apple firmware will start. |
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| 13:26:08 | Llorean | Cool |
| 13:26:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iiuc UMSDOS solves the device node problem |
| 13:26:40 | markun | petur: how's the USB stack coming along? ;-) |
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| 13:27:22 | Bagder | amiconn: most probably by using a ramfs... :-) |
| 13:27:28 | * | petur reminds Linus of tracing VBUS and ID on the h3x0 usbotg connector (please) |
| 13:27:31 | amiconn | Somehow I doubt that |
| 13:27:50 | Bagder | then can of course patch the fat fs too |
| 13:27:53 | Bagder | they |
| 13:27:56 | petur | markun: not looked at it for several weeks |
| 13:28:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I remember it from many, many years ago. I think a ramfs would be a nicer solution though - umsdos uses extra files in every directory IIRC. |
| 13:28:04 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMSDOS |
| 13:28:38 | petur | markun: next free time to do rockbox will be early januari 2007 |
| 13:29:20 | GodEater_Web | UMSDOS's performance *sucks* |
| 13:31:43 | amiconn | Seems to be unmaintained for too long. No signs of VFAT or FAT32 |
| 13:32:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know whether linux can handle symlinks on FAT32 (perhaps using .lnk files?) (shrug) |
| 13:33:46 | linuxstb | I've no idea. I could try... |
| 13:34:16 | Bagder | I doubt it does |
| 13:34:31 | Bagder | .lnk files are not on fs level |
| 13:35:05 | linuxstb | ln: creating symbolic link `b' to `a': Operation not permitted |
| 13:35:32 | linuxstb | ln: creating hard link `b' to `a': Operation not permitted |
| 13:35:38 | * | petur thought only NTFS supported symlinks (as far as windows is concerned) |
| 13:35:51 | Seed | My H320 is lost in the big convoluted system of the British mail |
| 13:35:53 | GodEater_Web | I'd be surprised if it did! |
| 13:35:56 | Seed | "whaaaaaa!" |
| 13:38:11 | markun | Seed: are they insured for things like this? |
| 13:39:13 | Seed | it was not |
| 13:39:26 | Seed | but it's eBay and the seller is willing to compensate me |
| 13:39:31 | Seed | I hope it arrives after all |
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| 13:41:34 | amiconn | petur: NTFS supports reparse points, of which junctions are one flavour (like symlinks on *nix, but not widely used). The windows way of 'symlinks' works on all filesystems |
| 13:42:28 | petur | so you mean shortcuts? |
| 13:42:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:43:12 | linuxstb | Does NTFS allow you to delete open (read-only) files? |
| 13:43:31 | petur | nope |
| 13:43:54 | petur | at least I think it doesn't |
| 13:44:12 | Bagder | isn't that the kernel rather than the fs that decides it? |
| 13:46:05 | linuxstb | I thought it was related to the concept of hard links. i.e. a file will have a count of how many links there are to it, when that link count goes to zero, and nothing has it open, then it's removed. |
| 13:46:50 | linuxstb | i.e. a delete won't immediately delete, just decrement the link count. But I could be making this up... |
| 13:47:23 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:47:28 | petur | there's an option when opening a file to have it deleted after closing (for temp files) |
| 13:47:43 | linuxstb | "man 2 unlink" |
| 13:48:06 | petur | and you can have some file stuff done at boot time for files that are in use |
| 13:50:20 | Llorean | I remember reading that if you deleted any hardlinked file's link, it would delete the file (but leave the other invalid links). |
| 13:50:35 | Llorean | But I can't remember where I read that. |
| 13:50:39 | Llorean | Or how reliable a source it was. |
| 13:50:42 | linuxstb | I think that's soft (symbolic) links. |
| 13:50:47 | Llorean | It was some Win2K documentation, ages ago. |
| 13:50:51 | linuxstb | Ah... |
| 13:51:16 | Llorean | It may have been symbolic, actually |
| 13:51:19 | Llorean | As I said, ages ago. |
| 13:51:25 | Llorean | And the terms weren't the same. |
| 13:51:28 | Bagder | rm: cannot remove `file': Permission denied |
| 13:51:38 | Bagder | on linux if the FAT file is open |
| 13:52:08 | Bagder | hm, or perhaps not |
| 13:52:15 | * | Bagder is stupid |
| 13:53:01 | Bagder | you _can_ delete the file while it is open |
| 13:53:25 | linuxstb | Are you sure it's open? Does lsof show it? |
| 13:53:45 | * | petur is interrupted to do more work |
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| 13:54:08 | Bagder | yes it does |
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| 13:54:33 | Bagder | I did 'hexdump -C file | less' |
| 13:54:38 | Bagder | verified with lsof that it is open |
| 13:54:41 | Bagder | removed the file |
| 13:54:44 | linuxstb | That would definitely show it's more kernel-related than filesystem... |
| 13:54:48 | Bagder | continued to dump the file with hexdump |
| 13:57:11 | linuxstb | I've just confirmed. After the rm, lsof shows (deleted) after the filename. |
| 13:57:50 | Bagder | ah, I didn't notice that |
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| 14:02:05 | patrickvox | does anyone know by default, which config-file is being used when an IPOD 5G is being boot up? Is it config01.cfg or config02.cfg ? |
| 14:02:22 | JdGordon | none |
| 14:03:34 | scorche | or rather, none of the above |
| 14:03:37 | patrickvox | jdgordon: how do we force it to default to a certin config file when it boots up ? |
| 14:03:44 | JdGordon | you dont |
| 14:03:57 | JdGordon | no config fils are read on boot |
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| 14:04:10 | patrickvox | so it boots up with a default config |
| 14:04:21 | patrickvox | from there, you load up your settings based on the selected config-file ? |
| 14:04:25 | JdGordon | it reads your settings of a hidden part of the hard disk |
| 14:04:27 | scorche | well, one is that you dont have access to |
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| 14:05:35 | GodEater_Web | what were we looking at earlier re: differences between 5G and 5.5g firmwares? |
| 14:06:29 | Cassandra | I see Barry's done some really nice work with the Sansa/H10 bootloader. |
| 14:07:22 | Llorean | Cassandra: It also fixed loading apple_os.ipod from file, on Nano at least. |
| 14:08:14 | GodEater_Web | I have an early 5G firmware with a different checksum to the 5.5G |
| 14:08:23 | GodEater_Web | not sure if that's any use to anyone |
| 14:08:30 | Cassandra | That's good, although there's very little practical use for that IMHO. |
| 14:09:25 | Llorean | Cassandra: Well, it's one step closer to a working ROLO into it, which would allow, at least on Nano, a significantly faster Rockbox boot time. |
| 14:09:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have an opinion on how to use the X5 dual-colour LED? |
| 14:09:57 | amiconn | Imho using it just for charging indication is a bit of a waste |
| 14:10:01 | Cassandra | It would? Nano boot time is pretty much instantaneous anyway. |
| 14:10:18 | GodEater_Web | pretty blinkenlights at christmas amiconn :) |
| 14:10:38 | Llorean | Cassandra: If you load Rockbox.ipod into the firmware partition, it's quite a bit faster, because you don't have to sit through the bootloader. |
| 14:10:47 | Llorean | It drops to about 2.5 seconds. |
| 14:10:50 | amiconn | On archos we also use the red LED for a different purpose that the of, but then this LED isn't labeled, unlike the X5 one... |
| 14:10:50 | Cassandra | Can you support it as a seperate screen a la H100 remote. |
| 14:10:56 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't have a good idea, maybe clipping indication when recording? |
| 14:11:31 | amiconn | I thought we could use the green part as charging indicator, and the red part as a hd / recording indicator led |
| 14:11:50 | amiconn | Would match closely to what we have on archos and h1x0 |
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| 14:12:22 | Cassandra | Llorean, my vanilla iPod loads Rockbox in under 2 secs. I don't really understand what you're talking about. |
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| 14:12:37 | Cassandra | Or how having a working ROLO would speed this up. |
| 14:12:37 | amiconn | Both parts can be switched independently, they're hooked up to PCF50605 GPO pins |
| 14:12:43 | Llorean | Cassandra: Are you including the time in-bootloader, and the time the Apple Logo displays? |
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| 14:12:55 | Llorean | Because my Nano's closer to 4 seconds with that. |
| 14:13:26 | Cassandra | Maybe an extra second with the Apple time. |
| 14:13:41 | Cassandra | I still don't really see 3-4 secs as a long loading time. |
| 14:13:52 | Cassandra | Particularly compared to the Apple f/w. |
| 14:14:01 | amiconn | Green LED on h1x0 is charging indicator (hardwired), on archos it's power (also hardwired). So using the green LED for charging indication would match h1x0 |
| 14:14:25 | Llorean | Cassandra: I don't see why it being not-long is any reason why it shouldn't be shorter, though. |
| 14:14:48 | amiconn | Red LED on archos is ATA/recording (controllable), on h1x0 it's ATA (hardwired, but disableable). |
| 14:14:49 | Llorean | I mean, boot time on H120 is short, but loading Rockbox into flash makes it shorter still. |
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| 14:15:16 | amiconn | I wouldn't call it short |
| 14:15:29 | amiconn | (okay, short in comparison to the of) |
| 14:15:35 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, that's what I meant. :) |
| 14:15:50 | Cassandra | Llorean, well, if someone wants to do it, it'll get done. That's the beauty of open source. But what would a working LILO gain you that installing Rockbox direct in the boot partition wouldn't? |
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| 14:16:39 | Llorean | Cassandra: A working ROLO goes with installing Rockbox straight in the boot partition. I can already load Rockbox from the boot partition, for the faster boots, but that leaves me with only the ultra-slow disk mode Nanos have. Spending 2 hours to transfer a few files is not a worthy tradeoff for 2 seconds shorter boot right now. |
| 14:17:08 | Llorean | It's not a big deal, or anything, having those extra 2 seconds |
| 14:17:13 | Llorean | And a native USB mode would solve the same problem. |
| 14:17:18 | Llorean | At least, from my perspective |
| 14:17:24 | Cassandra | But didn't you say earlier that roloing apple_os already worked. |
| 14:17:28 | amiconn | LinusN: What concerns me is that people might not read the manual, and might conclude that the battery is charged when they see the 'charge' led being green |
| 14:17:28 | Llorean | No. |
| 14:17:34 | Llorean | Roloing apple_os doesn't work yet. |
| 14:17:50 | Llorean | The bootloader can load it from apple_os.ipod if it's not found to be in the firmware partition, though. |
| 14:18:10 | Cassandra | Ah right. |
| 14:18:16 | Cassandra | Well I imagine it'll come. |
| 14:18:18 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 14:18:20 | Llorean | I imagine so. |
| 14:19:18 | Cassandra | I want a new computer. This one keeps swappihng. |
| 14:19:21 | Llorean | It can also ROLO the iPod linux kernel, though that's not terribly useful at the moment. |
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| 14:22:58 | Cassandra | *laughs* Well well, the iPhone did get released yesterday. By Cisco, who apparently own the trademark. |
| 14:23:08 | linuxstb | hehe |
| 14:23:09 | Llorean | Apple's gotta love that one. |
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| 14:23:53 | scorche | haha...link? |
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| 14:25:38 | Cassandra | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2006/tc20061218_465203.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_today%27s+top+stories |
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| 14:28:17 | GodEater_Web | ok - I just tried booting a really old 5G firmware on my 5.5G - appeared to work fine |
| 14:28:37 | GodEater_Web | so the disk handling must be the same |
| 14:29:36 | Cassandra | Weirdl. |
| 14:29:49 | Cassandra | Gotta go. |
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| 14:30:28 | LinusN | GodEater_Web: i think the problem is simple. we somehow fail to enable PIO mode on it. once we manage to do that, we should be allright |
| 14:31:52 | amiconn | GodEater_Web: Did you also try USB mode while running that old firmware? |
| 14:32:04 | linuxstb | LinusN: Does the "EIDE" description here: http://www.ipodlinux.org/PP5020 and the code in ata_device_init() in firmware/target/arm/pp-5020.c make any sense to you? |
| 14:32:08 | amiconn | ...and ipodpatcher −−list, to see what sector size it reports? |
| 14:32:42 | linuxstb | ^firmware/target/arm/ata-pp5020.c |
| 14:33:00 | GodEater_Web | amiconn: no I didn't - can do though |
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| 14:33:20 | GodEater_Web | will have to wait a sec |
| 14:33:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does ipodpatcher get the sector size from the device or from reading the partition? |
| 14:33:31 | GodEater_Web | the device |
| 14:33:35 | GodEater_Web | it's an ioctl call |
| 14:33:38 | linuxstb | From the device using a "disk geometry" ioctl. |
| 14:34:57 | * | amiconn suspects that the usb implementation might reside in the rom |
| 14:35:01 | GodEater_Web | I did an ipodpatcher list |
| 14:35:09 | GodEater_Web | it reported 512 as expected |
| 14:35:34 | GodEater_Web | same firmware version too |
| 14:35:40 | GodEater_Web | but the checksum was different |
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| 14:37:53 | amiconn | 512? |
| 14:38:00 | amiconn | That's...interesting |
| 14:38:04 | LinusN | indeed |
| 14:38:16 | amiconn | So the usb implementation is not in rom |
| 14:38:46 | LinusN | doesn't that depend on when you insert the usb cable? |
| 14:38:55 | linuxstb | If you want to risk bricking your ipod, you could attempt to flash the AUPD image in your copy of the old 5g firmware. Unless that's already happened? |
| 14:39:57 | linuxstb | I think there's a bit which is set in the header of the AUPD image to say if it's been flashed or not. |
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| 14:44:56 | scorche | heh...we finally say "bricking your ipod" |
| 14:45:42 | GodEater_Web | oh no hang on a sec |
| 14:45:57 | GodEater_Web | you mean what did ipodpatcher say for sector size when I put it back again ? |
| 14:46:14 | GodEater_Web | lemme double check |
| 14:48:35 | GodEater_Web | booting into the old version of the firmware now |
| 14:48:50 | GodEater_Web | ok - it's up - plugged into usb... |
| 14:48:52 | linuxstb | How did you install the 5g firmware? Are you using an apple_os.ipod file, or did you replace the firmware partition with a copy of a 5g's firmware partition. |
| 14:49:11 | webguest13 | register rw4452 |
| 14:49:12 | GodEater_Web | currently with an apple_os.ipod |
| 14:49:24 | GodEater_Web | but can do it with the bootpart.bin |
| 14:49:27 | GodEater_Web | if you'd prefer ? |
| 14:49:40 | GodEater_Web | btw - sector size is still reported as 2048 |
| 14:50:41 | GodEater_Web | want me to try with bootpart.bin from the old 5g? |
| 14:50:49 | webguest13 | robin0800 |
| 14:51:12 | linuxstb | It's definitely loading the correct apple firmware? What version info does it display in the About screen? |
| 14:51:27 | GodEater_Web | one second |
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| 14:53:57 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if writing the 5g bootpart.bin will work, but you could try. Should be harmless... (he says...) |
| 14:54:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: If the apple flash firmware doesn't protect itself from flashing an older version, it might be possible to convert a 5.5th gen into a 5th gen software wise... |
| 14:56:18 | linuxstb | Yes, but what would that gain us, now that we fully support the 2048-byte sectors? |
| 14:58:14 | linuxstb | But it seems as if Apple's firmware is treating the 80GB disk in the same way as any other, so a disassembly of any 5g version of the flash should help. |
| 14:58:55 | GodEater_Web | ok - where do I look to se which firmware it's loading ? |
| 14:59:09 | GodEater_Web | I'm in the about screen |
| 14:59:30 | linuxstb | It doesn't display a version number (e.g 1.1, 1.2, 1.3) ? |
| 14:59:38 | GodEater_Web | Version is 1.2 |
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| 15:00:03 | GodEater_Web | Model is MA450FB |
| 15:00:05 | linuxstb | I _think_ the latest 5g/5.5g firmware is 1.3, but I'm not sure. |
| 15:00:24 | GodEater_Web | I'll put it back and see |
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| 15:01:36 | GodEater_Web | the old bootpart doesn't work |
| 15:02:22 | GodEater_Web | I just get "connect your ipod to itunes and restore" message |
| 15:02:43 | amiconn | Might be a sector size mismatch problem |
| 15:02:50 | GodEater_Web | almost certainly is |
| 15:03:03 | GodEater_Web | although having said that |
| 15:03:15 | GodEater_Web | aren't they both presented as 512 on the ipod itself ? |
| 15:03:58 | GodEater_Web | btw - it *was* harmless :) Original bootpart is booting it up now. |
| 15:04:10 | GodEater_Web | Version there reports 1.2.1 |
| 15:04:27 | linuxstb | Yes, the format of the boot partitions are slightly different between the two sector sizes - so I'm not surprised it didn't work. |
| 15:05:06 | linuxstb | So my suggestion would be a dissassembly of any 5g flash dump. |
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| 15:05:18 | GodEater_Web | I thought disassembling both .ipod files and doing a diff might help - it didn't |
| 15:05:29 | GodEater_Web | diff was 131M :) |
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| 15:06:24 | linuxstb | I can see references in a flash disassembly to 0xc30001e0, the IDE0 status register according to the IPL wiki, but we don't seem to use it in Rockbox. |
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| 15:08:44 | GodEater_Web | where'd you get the flash disassembly from ? |
| 15:09:19 | linuxstb | I dumped the flash from a 5g a while ago. Then simply "arm-elf-objdump", but it's not the most helpful disassembly... |
| 15:09:56 | GodEater_Web | how big isi t ? |
| 15:10:40 | linuxstb | I dumped 1MB, but IIRC only 512KB is used |
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| 15:26:19 | GodEater_Web | perhaps we should put something into ata_device_init() to do something with that register too |
| 15:27:05 | Bagder | all the other PP bootloaders use ARM thumb mode |
| 15:28:12 | GodEater_Web | what's that when it's at home ? |
| 15:29:06 | daurn | HAHAHA |
| 15:29:07 | daurn | http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Matt/and-that-is-where-babies-come-from.png |
| 15:32:35 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Forget my comment about that register, it's defined in Rockbox as ATA_CONTROL register.... |
| 15:32:58 | GodEater_Web | yeah I saw |
| 15:33:16 | GodEater_Web | well ATA_IOBASE |
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| 15:33:29 | linuxstb | GodEater_Web: Thumb mode is a 16-bit instruction set, In "normal" ARM mode, instructions are 32-bit. |
| 15:34:25 | linuxstb | Sorry, yes, ATA_IOBASE. |
| 15:34:42 | linuxstb | aka ATA_DATA |
| 15:35:17 | GodEater_Web | ah yes |
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| 15:48:09 | GodEater_Web | is #ipodlinux as active as this channel ? |
| 15:48:23 | LinusN | try it |
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| 15:49:34 | GodEater_Web | does your CGI:IRC install permit me to join other channels ? |
| 15:49:52 | * | GodEater_Web didn't think it did |
| 15:49:52 | linuxstb | Nope. |
| 15:50:00 | GodEater_Web | then I'll have to wait till I get home |
| 15:50:08 | linuxstb | And no, #ipodlinux is pretty much dead these days. |
| 15:50:15 | GodEater_Web | shame |
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| 15:50:20 | * | jhMikeS can't decide if it's better to use intptr_t or uintptr_t as event data in queues. The void * pointer scheme should go. |
| 15:50:25 | webguest20 | I see how much effort is made to get the things right on all platforms. I've also read that iPod nano 2G is a completely new architecture. But that also means that the manufacturers also have to implement all the features anew with every device model. And devices are brought to the market en masse... |
| 15:50:33 | linuxstb | (but I see a few of their devs lurking here at the moment...) |
| 15:50:35 | GodEater_Web | thanks for the zip file linuxstb btw - I only just noticed the link :) |
| 15:51:40 | webguest20 | linuxstb: really? And you know who they are? Do they try to 'steal' solutions for some problems (e.g. sound codecs)? |
| 15:52:09 | * | GodEater_Web spots someone who doesn't get open source |
| 15:52:11 | linuxstb | Both projects release code under the GPL, so there's no "stealing". |
| 15:53:14 | webguest20 | E.g. apple: they've created an awsome infrastructure. You plug in your ipod and it gets synchronized automatically. Amazing! |
| 15:53:34 | scorche | what are you attempting to get at? |
| 15:53:39 | webguest20 | linuxstb: what projects do you mean? RB and ...? |
| 15:53:48 | scorche | ipodlinux |
| 15:54:38 | webguest20 | scorche: no, I mean the commercial firmwares (in my previous lengthy post) |
| 15:54:55 | scorche | yes, but i dont see what you are trying to get at |
| 15:55:18 | scorche | and he meant for that statement to go to GodEater_Web |
| 15:55:56 | GodEater_Web | who got it, and is wondering what form of narcolepsy is afflicting the poor ipodlinux devs |
| 15:57:29 | webguest20 | E.g. iriver firmware. Or sansa FW. Or Philips. Or Thomson... (I can name more) Every FW is a major software project. And they make a new device every year! |
| 15:57:39 | linuxstb | Maybe I've just missed it, but I've never seen real IPL development talk in #ipodlinux (or even #ipodlinux-dev) anyway. I just think they are a more private group than us. |
| 15:57:52 | GodEater_Web | so private they don't even talk to each other :) |
| 15:57:55 | scorche | webguest20: for the last time, what are you getting at by saying this? |
| 15:58:02 | GodEater_Web | maybe they've mastered telepathy |
| 15:58:06 | linuxstb | webguest20: What makes you think they don't reuse existing code? Apple doesn't rewrite itunes from scratch each time they release a new ipod... |
| 15:58:33 | webguest20 | scorche: I just wonder where they get capacities. |
| 15:58:39 | scorche | webguest20: implementing features and porting to a new device is made much easier when you have huge resources and datasheets of the hardware instead of being in the dark about it all |
| 15:58:50 | linuxstb | Full-time paid developers help... |
| 15:58:57 | webguest20 | linuxstb: itunes yes. But the FW for nano 2G must be rewritten. |
| 15:59:08 | GodEater_Web | what a a load of crap |
| 15:59:12 | GodEater_Web | it just needs to be recompiled |
| 15:59:17 | GodEater_Web | with a bit of tweaking here and there |
| 15:59:19 | LinusN | i don't think the apple software developers have the data sheets for the portalplayer hardware |
| 15:59:23 | GodEater_Web | they don't start from scratch |
| 15:59:36 | scorche | LinusN: but they know much more about it than we do |
| 15:59:51 | linuxstb | They'll have a nice SDK with APIs and example code... |
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| 16:00:04 | webguest20 | LinusN: why not? How do the develop then? |
| 16:00:07 | GodEater_Web | hehehe - can you imagine them stitting there like us trying to work stuff out by guessing ? |
| 16:00:12 | scorche | they also know how to get past their own encryption and as i said, know much more about the hardware than we do |
| 16:00:20 | LinusN | portalplayer has a huge software library that they use |
| 16:00:21 | scorche | webguest20: see linuxstb's statement |
| 16:01:12 | LinusN | you don't just buy the chips from portalplayer, you buy a complete SDK |
| 16:01:38 | webguest20 | LinusN: ...which is of course private, right? And not for sale? And if for sale then too expensive for a project like RB. |
| 16:01:49 | scorche | correct |
| 16:01:56 | LinusN | very private |
| 16:02:08 | linuxstb | We wouldn't/couldn't use their SDK anyway, unless they made it open-source. |
| 16:02:16 | webguest20 | LinusN: aha! I never knew how "professional" development of FW goes. |
| 16:02:46 | dewdude | heh, developing FW is almost as intensive as writing a os...which, is basically what they're doing |
| 16:03:18 | webguest20 | Heh, FW _is_ an OS |
| 16:03:21 | LinusN | afaik, the portalplayer platform sdk includes the os |
| 16:03:43 | scorche | webguest20: not always |
| 16:03:51 | linuxstb | As demonstrated by the similarity in the firmwares from almost every manufacturer of PP-based DAPs. |
| 16:03:58 | LinusN | exactly |
| 16:04:24 | LinusN | most chipset manufacturers have the same concept |
| 16:04:53 | dewdude | build-one/supply-hundreds |
| 16:04:59 | webguest20 | LinusN: hmm... well but RB has an OS since long time. But there are still difficulties with drivers, right? Since there's no information about the HW. |
| 16:05:24 | scorche | on some targets, yes |
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| 16:05:45 | LinusN | yes, the problem with rockbox is that we need all details about the hardware |
| 16:06:23 | GodEater_Web | having ALL the details would be nice - but we don't NEED all of them... just enough to run the bits that RB requires surely ? |
| 16:06:36 | linuxstb | The more we know, the better RB runs. |
| 16:06:39 | webguest20 | I think beginning at some point, creating a RB port for a new platform should be a breeze. Just write a couple of drivers. And their number is also very limited since the chips are the same. |
| 16:06:40 | GodEater_Web | naturally |
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| 16:07:43 | webguest20 | So how far is RB from the "saturation" point (where no chips without an RB driver exist)? :-) |
| 16:07:54 | elinenbe_work | hello all. Nice to see everyone after a little rockbox break! |
| 16:08:07 | * | LinusN bows |
| 16:08:11 | dewdude | webguest20, i don't think it'll be entirely that easy |
| 16:08:54 | LinusN | webguest20: it is the "just write a couple of drivers" that is 90% of the rockbox development work |
| 16:09:15 | LinusN | or rather, 90% of the work is to reverse engineer the hardware |
| 16:09:37 | LinusN | and write the drivers |
| 16:09:48 | Bagder | and the chips are not the same |
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| 16:09:54 | Bagder | and not wired the same way |
| 16:10:08 | LinusN | and even if they are the same, they are never connected in exactly the same way |
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| 16:10:24 | elinenbe_work | LinusN, Bagder: good to see both of you. |
| 16:10:38 | LinusN | i can't even imagine how many hours i spent on reverse engineering the iriver h100 hardware |
| 16:10:50 | LinusN | elinenbe_work: same to you |
| 16:11:08 | elinenbe_work | comeon... I want zoon rockbox! but with the zoone features and rockbox features combined, and I want it now! |
| 16:11:22 | elinenbe_work | ah! |
| 16:11:25 | GodEater_Web | LinusN: a bloody lot considering I followed your efforts from when you first announced them to when music started playing on it |
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| 16:12:32 | LinusN | yup |
| 16:12:44 | dewdude | i'll say this..i was anti-ipod for a long time till rockbox came along |
| 16:12:51 | dewdude | even i finally broke down and bought one |
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| 16:14:42 | lex | you don't need to broke down to buy an ipod |
| 16:14:56 | elinenbe_work | I have been away for a bit, does the ipod port use both processors/cores (not even sure here) in the ipod? |
| 16:15:12 | dewdude | hah, true...figure of speech |
| 16:15:13 | scorche | not as of yet....and cores |
| 16:15:16 | GodEater_Web | lex: you usually go broke after you've bought one :) |
| 16:15:34 | lex | i didn't ;o |
| 16:15:40 | dewdude | i did! |
| 16:15:49 | dewdude | although in all fairness, i picked up some earbuds at the same time |
| 16:16:06 | lex | i bought this video ipod and sennheiser cx-300 |
| 16:16:11 | lex | and i'm happy with this |
| 16:16:20 | GodEater_Web | well I've bought three this year, two as presents for other ppl, and one for me |
| 16:16:20 | lex | i had a photo before |
| 16:16:24 | dewdude | i almost bought the cx300's |
| 16:16:33 | lex | dewdude: buy them, they really rule |
| 16:16:34 | dewdude | cuz i'm such a sennheiser lover...but i picked up some Shure E3c's |
| 16:16:44 | lex | ;( |
| 16:16:51 | lex | cx300's sound is so awesome |
| 16:16:58 | dewdude | these shure's ain't bad |
| 16:17:08 | dewdude | but i might pick up some 300's as well, just to compare |
| 16:17:10 | lex | but they cost more than these |
| 16:17:18 | dewdude | hah, yeah |
| 16:17:22 | lex | a bit |
| 16:17:29 | dewdude | 70 for the senny's vs 180 for the shure's |
| 16:17:39 | elinenbe_work | question: what Linux distros do the main developers use? |
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| 16:17:45 | webguest20 | LinusN: what do the "official" SDK look like? Do they operate on a separate chip? Or on a whole PCB? In the former case I don't see the point in them. |
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| 16:18:04 | thegeek | humhum |
| 16:18:07 | barrywardell | Bagder: I have some new H10 bootloaders to put up on the download site |
| 16:18:12 | lex | dewdude: nope, 60 :) |
| 16:18:16 | scorche | webguest20: we dont know...we have never seen it |
| 16:18:26 | dewdude | really? circuit city had them for 69.99 i thought |
| 16:18:33 | linuxstb | elinenbe_work: Debian and Ubuntu seem the most common. |
| 16:18:36 | dewdude | ...i don't know..i'll probably nab a pair after christmas |
| 16:18:41 | LinusN | webguest20: i have never seen the portalplayer sdk docs, but i have seen docs from other manufacturers |
| 16:19:03 | lex | dewdude: http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=162721 read that, that's the reason i bought them :) |
| 16:19:04 | LinusN | and they usually offer reference hw designs |
| 16:19:16 | barrywardell | Bagder: I'll email them to you now. |
| 16:19:16 | lex | dewdude: 60 euros in apple store, 60 euros in my local market |
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| 16:19:48 | Bagder | barrywardell: sure! |
| 16:20:01 | elinenbe_work | I was just playing around with Kororaa... the new graphics libraries are pretty interesting (in an eye-candy way) |
| 16:20:02 | LinusN | the sdk consists of the OS plus the drivers and codes for the parts that are included in the chipset |
| 16:20:03 | webguest20 | Ah, ok, good to know. So every SDK is HW specific? |
| 16:20:09 | elinenbe_work | It's gentoo with AIGLX |
| 16:20:14 | LinusN | webguest20: yes |
| 16:20:21 | lex | food -> |
| 16:20:28 | LinusN | s/codes/codecs/ |
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| 16:20:41 | dewdude | well, i bought the e3c's from personal suggestion from a sound engineer i know |
| 16:20:52 | dewdude | but the senny's were on my list of possibilities |
| 16:21:18 | webguest20 | LinusN: you mean codecs for the specific processor (e.g. commands and register set)? |
| 16:21:26 | GodEater_Web | me runs gentoo - but doesn't consider himself a "main" developer |
| 16:21:37 | barrywardell | Bagder: done! |
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| 16:21:47 | GodEater_Web | repeat above with a "/" at the beginning :) |
| 16:24:03 | webguest20 | LinusN: what feature would you wish in RB ? (Besides RB running rock solid on all platforms?) |
| 16:24:16 | webguest20 | LinusN: one feature |
| 16:24:46 | scorche | LinusN: you know you want to say a better DOOM =P |
| 16:24:52 | Bagder | coffee brewing! |
| 16:24:58 | LinusN | codecs, as the decoders for different audio formats, like MP3, AAc etc |
| 16:25:04 | GodEater_Web | scorche: you mean quake :) |
| 16:25:22 | scorche | speaking of.... Bagder: i never found that flying patch in flyspray |
| 16:25:39 | scorche | GodEater_Web: either way...it was a joke anyway ;) |
| 16:25:40 | dewdude | heh, it would be nice for the ipod to play mp3's without getting angry and locking up |
| 16:25:49 | GodEater_Web | hehe |
| 16:26:09 | GodEater_Web | I quite like coffee brewing - well thought out that man :) |
| 16:26:11 | webguest20 | LinusN: do you have music in that formats or is it just idealism? |
| 16:26:35 | GodEater_Web | this is starting to sound like an impromtu interview.... |
| 16:26:49 | LinusN | webguest20: that was my answer for your question about codecs |
| 16:27:14 | LinusN | my most wanted feature... i don't know really |
| 16:27:20 | webguest20 | LinusN: no, I mean RB in general, not specifically codecs |
| 16:27:35 | scorche | GodEater_Web: it very well could be... |
| 16:27:55 | GodEater_Web | yeah, I have this coffee brewer with an ARM9 processor... |
| 16:28:12 | LinusN | webguest20: you asked "LinusN: you mean codecs for the specific processor (e.g. commands and register set)?" |
| 16:28:26 | scorche | GodEater_Web: java application? |
| 16:28:32 | GodEater_Web | it has a builtin milk foamer that makes squeaking noises, so I'm trying to write an audio driver for it :) |
| 16:28:34 | dewdude | i've got a microwave with a Z80 in it... |
| 16:28:39 | TheCollector | too bad none of these devices have any HW for graphics acceleration |
| 16:28:47 | TheCollector | cause quake will run on an arm7 |
| 16:29:08 | dewdude | quake originally was software rendered 3d |
| 16:29:19 | dewdude | cuz i'd get a whopping 8fps on my 486 |
| 16:29:24 | TheCollector | hehe |
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| 16:29:43 | dewdude | ...now i run direct3d quake and get over 300 |
| 16:30:02 | TheCollector | dewdude: at my last job a friend of mine hacked up quake to run on the TI OMAP2420 |
| 16:30:12 | dewdude | haha |
| 16:30:25 | TheCollector | good times having deathmatches on devel boards when everyone went home |
| 16:30:36 | dewdude | i can imagine |
| 16:30:40 | scorche | hrm...i guess it has been daylight for a little more than 2 hours now... |
| 16:30:42 | scorche | goodnight |
| 16:30:56 | Bagder | daylight? luxury! ;-P |
| 16:31:45 | TheCollector | he got quake2 runnign as well, but never optimized it, so it was pretty choppy |
| 16:31:46 | dewdude | yeah, i gotta pipe mine in |
| 16:31:48 | scorche | not really ;) |
| 16:31:49 | dewdude | that and the broadband |
| 16:31:51 | TheCollector | *running |
| 16:31:56 | dewdude | haha |
| 16:32:05 | dewdude | yeah, quake2 was quite cpu intensive if you tried to run software rendering |
| 16:32:18 | dewdude | i remmeber my 3dfx voodoo addon card ran it tho. |
| 16:32:22 | TheCollector | yep |
| 16:32:34 | dewdude | i thought that was like...the thing 10 years ago.... |
| 16:32:40 | TheCollector | hehe |
| 16:32:41 | dewdude | addon 3d cards |
| 16:32:47 | TheCollector | it still is the thing for some of us :D |
| 16:32:52 | dewdude | haha |
| 16:32:56 | TheCollector | oh, I meant quake2 |
| 16:33:00 | dewdude | haha |
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| 16:33:16 | dewdude | 10 years ago i wasn't really gaming, i had a 486 |
| 16:33:21 | dewdude | imagine my fun trying to do mp3's on that |
| 16:33:23 | TheCollector | linux severely impedes one's ability to play modern games :( |
| 16:33:28 | dewdude | cedega! |
| 16:33:30 | dewdude | FTW |
| 16:33:34 | TheCollector | sometimes |
| 16:33:37 | dewdude | yeah |
| 16:33:42 | dewdude | i tried doing san andreas in it...no go |
| 16:33:46 | GodEater_Web | Neverwinter Nights 2 is being ported :) |
| 16:33:46 | TheCollector | heh |
| 16:34:02 | scorche | dewdude: heh...this is the video card in this comp: S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] |
| 16:34:04 | dewdude | i about blew a load when Postal2 came out for linux |
| 16:34:05 | TheCollector | I'd love to see the later C&C stuff ported |
| 16:34:12 | * | GodEater_Web spots the offtopic warning lights starting to flash |
| 16:34:33 | Bagder | bright blinking too |
| 16:34:34 | * | scorche also remembers that he said he was going to sleep |
| 16:34:40 | Galois | linux is no impediment at all. Get an xbox 360 or whatever. |
| 16:34:52 | dewdude | bah...console gaming |
| 16:35:08 | GodEater_Web | nothing wrong with them |
| 16:35:11 | GodEater_Web | I like mine |
| 16:35:18 | dewdude | i still have my first mp3 player around here somewhere...i built it back in 1997 using some plans i found online |
| 16:35:52 | * | LinusN feels guilty for not porting rockbox to his OSCAR board |
| 16:35:53 | dewdude | basically a CD-rom with controller card, DAC, amp, and l3 decoder on a card strapped to it |
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| 16:52:19 | PaulPosition | Wow... |
| 16:52:52 | dewdude | what? |
| 16:53:56 | LinusN | wow!!!!!! |
| 16:55:46 | PaulPosition | Okay. Barry committed dualboot-enabling patches for H10 and I need to complete my tutorial so the guys over at mistiriver don't all have a heartattack... :p |
| 16:55:55 | Bagder | haha |
| 16:56:26 | dewdude | ok, so, i've gotten nothing out of wiki....the fourm search is apparently broken..so i guess i'll finally ask in here...anyone know what the deal is with mp3 support on the ipod...becuase my unit starts to lagging when playing mp3's... |
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| 16:56:47 | linuxstb | Tried the IpodStatus wiki page? Maybe also IpodFAQ? |
| 16:57:05 | linuxstb | Also, what ipod do you have? |
| 16:57:13 | PaulPosition | Thing is, it need a new bootloader to go with it and I don't know where, from rockbox.org, to point people to... :o (I make my own, but I dont have webspace to share..) |
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| 16:57:31 | scorche | meh...nvm...no sleep for me tonight/today |
| 16:57:36 | Bagder | PaulPosition: I'll update download.rockbox.org later tonight |
| 16:57:38 | dewdude | heh, i glanced over those...i guess i should read them rather than playing with this thing |
| 16:57:44 | dewdude | it's a 5.5g 30 gig |
| 16:58:10 | scorche | dewdude: what WPS are you using? |
| 16:58:14 | PaulPosition | Badger - Okay, so that means there aren't bootloader that are auto-built right? |
| 16:58:18 | dewdude | dark-geek |
| 16:58:30 | Bagder | PaulPosition: the autobuilt ones are not provided for download |
| 16:58:37 | scorche | and are you using the EQ and/or crossfade? |
| 16:58:45 | dewdude | well, EQ yes. |
| 16:58:58 | scorche | try turning that off |
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| 16:59:10 | dewdude | yes, that does help....but flac works just fine with eq on. |
| 16:59:37 | dewdude | and it still seems to want to be a little grumpy even then |
| 16:59:38 | PaulPosition | Badger: Thanks. I'll see if I can put one somewhere else, maybe attach to a post, in the meantime and adjust my links when ever I could. :) |
| 16:59:38 | linuxstb | FLAC needs significantly less CPU to decode. |
| 16:59:42 | LinusN | dewdude: forum search fixed, thanks for reporting |
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| 17:00:04 | GodEater_Web | where does the error "ATA: -70" get generated ? |
| 17:00:07 | scorche | LinusN: what is it that causes that anyway? |
| 17:01:13 | LinusN | scorche: i don't know, the search result database table gets corrupted |
| 17:02:05 | scorche | do you know if it is something to do with our forums or a general bug with SMF? |
| 17:02:31 | LinusN | GodEater_Web: hmmm, looks like set_features returns -10 |
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| 17:03:38 | GodEater_Web | there's a -70 at the bottom of ata_init() - I put my code in a dumb place - it's all my fault :) |
| 17:04:11 | LinusN | :-) |
| 17:07:50 | GodEater_Web | can someone help me with the right bits to put into set_features() to make sure I've turned UDMA4 off? |
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| 17:08:24 | amiconn | LinusN: How can set_features return -10? |
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| 17:08:49 | amiconn | That would mean something went wrong while trying to set the first feature, |
| 17:09:07 | LinusN | amiconn: it probably can't, but that's the only explanation i could find when looking at the code |
| 17:09:24 | amiconn | but the first feature is power management, and according to the identify data the drive doesn't support this feature |
| 17:09:38 | GodEater_Web | shouldn't word 88 indicate we've deselected UDMA after the set features call ? |
| 17:09:56 | GodEater_Web | amiconn - nothing returned -10 - don't worry |
| 17:12:19 | LinusN | GodEater_Web: the PIO mode setting is already there |
| 17:12:21 | LinusN | { 83, 14, 0x03, 0 }, /* force PIO mode */ |
| 17:12:47 | GodEater_Web | right - but shouldn't that mean (as I asked above) that word 88 wouldn't report UDMA4 as selected ? |
| 17:13:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 17:13:50 | GodEater_Web | well it's not working then |
| 17:13:59 | amiconn | Identify data is read before calling set_features |
| 17:14:08 | GodEater_Web | doh! |
| 17:14:11 | GodEater_Web | of course it is |
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| 17:14:20 | LinusN | better identify again after set_features |
| 17:14:24 | GodEater_Web | so it's not updated |
| 17:14:26 | JagMan | Does the boot loader work for the h10 20 gb |
| 17:14:32 | GodEater_Web | ok - I'll try that |
| 17:15:19 | JagMan | does the dualbootloader work for the h10 20gb |
| 17:16:31 | GodEater_Web | hmm - running identify() after the set features still gives me the same result, word 88 is 0x101F |
| 17:17:06 | amiconn | Maybe identify fails afterwards? |
| 17:17:13 | GodEater_Web | I checked the return code |
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| 17:17:30 | LinusN | GodEater_Web: try to remove all features excepot for the pio |
| 17:17:41 | amiconn | afk |
| 17:17:56 | LinusN | for what i know, we are not sure set_features() has ever worked |
| 17:18:27 | GodEater_Web | hahaha - how useful! |
| 17:19:17 | LinusN | set_features() could very well return -10: |
| 17:19:19 | LinusN | if (!wait_for_rdy()) { |
| 17:19:19 | LinusN | DEBUGF("set_features() - CMD failed\n"); |
| 17:19:19 | LinusN | return -10 - i; |
| 17:19:19 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 17:19:19 | LinusN | } |
| 17:20:30 | GodEater_Web | but then ata_init() would fail wouldn't it ? |
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| 17:20:50 | LinusN | yes it would |
| 17:20:58 | GodEater_Web | but it doesn't look like it is |
| 17:21:03 | PaulPosition | jagman - It now does, but you need a new bootloader to go with the new daily/cvs builds for H10. |
| 17:21:36 | PaulPosition | jagman - If you go over at mistiriver.net's forums I'll have a tutorial and some test bootloaders ready sooner or later. |
| 17:21:37 | LinusN | GodEater_Web: gotta go, good luck |
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| 17:21:45 | GodEater_Web | thanks :) |
| 17:21:47 | JagMan | thank you paul and hows the patch work for the album art buld going |
| 17:22:25 | PaulPosition | jagman - Sorry, knee-deep in tutorial and bootloader building so that album art thing I'll leave to angry for the time being :) |
| 17:22:58 | JagMan | ok now were do i get one of the new bootloaders and how do i work the damn thing |
| 17:23:07 | PaulPosition | Badger - Think you could send a note to the mailing list when (and if) the website ever links to the bootloaders? That'd be great anyway... :) |
| 17:23:41 | PaulPosition | jagman - misticriver has the stub for the tutorial, bootloaders *I will be* building in next few minutes/hours. |
| 17:24:32 | JagMan | alright i c it at 3:00 pm ct becouse i am still on the move |
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| 17:26:22 | curious1 | hello 2 all! i'm new to rockbox and i got a two questions about player hardware. maybe you can give me some links? |
| 17:26:46 | curious1 | id like to know how much working memory does an apple ipod nano have? |
| 17:27:10 | curious1 | also how much memory is available in an iriver 100 (my brother got such a device) |
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| 17:28:37 | linuxstb | curious1: Most devices have 32MB of RAM. Notable exception is the 60GB and 80GB ipod videos which have 64MB. (note the 80GB doesn't work with Rockbox at the moment). |
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| 17:29:06 | linuxstb | Try this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 17:29:11 | curious1 | oh thanks alot linuxtb! wow 32 is plenty |
| 17:29:32 | linuxstb | Other exception is the old Archos players, which have 2MB RAM. |
| 17:30:21 | curious1 | okay one more question how does the iriver coldfire cpu compare to an arm9 or wahtever is inside the nano (i get for christmas) |
| 17:30:46 | PaulPosition | ANYONE with some mi4 knowledge would tell me... I scramble the rockbox bootloader with ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 for both the H105gb MTP and 20gb MTP models.. There's a 5gb UMS one, does it need a different scramble scheme? |
| 17:31:07 | linuxstb | The Nano has two 75MHz arm7tdmi cpu cores. The Coldfire runs at 124MHz. |
| 17:31:17 | curious1 | i ask cause i modified the mod playing routines .. i removed all interpolation routines for clearer sound |
| 17:31:39 | curious1 | and i need to know if i should remove oversampling from the tfmx routines im working on |
| 17:31:44 | curious1 | for the ipod nano |
| 17:32:20 | curious1 | i dont have the nano yet, but soon... so i jsut cant wait porting more mod replay routines for different formats |
| 17:32:33 | linuxstb | BTW, the new Nano is completely different to the old one... |
| 17:32:50 | linuxstb | Rockbox only works on the older (1st generation) Nano. |
| 17:32:53 | curious1 | no i get a generation one, a used one from ebay... |
| 17:32:55 | curious1 | ;) |
| 17:33:53 | curious1 | is the coldfire cpu on irver faster? maybe the arm is more efficent since it is risc (excuse my bad english) |
| 17:34:20 | preglow | it is faster |
| 17:34:46 | curious1 | ah thanks! nice ;) |
| 17:35:08 | curious1 | i can test may stuff on irver and nano but i cant test for other devices |
| 17:35:22 | curious1 | since this ui simulator doesnt really work for me |
| 17:35:54 | PaulPosition | ANYONE with some mi4 knowledge would tell me... I scramble the rockbox bootloader with ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 for both the H105gb MTP and 20gb MTP models.. There's a 5gb UMS one, does it need a different scramble scheme? |
| 17:36:30 | GodEater_Web | there appears to be an echo in here |
| 17:37:22 | curious1 | i will also try to get future composer modules running and i saw that someone worked on NSF nes mods |
| 17:37:57 | curious1 | so YM (atari st) might be possible too, i just need to find some routines for it |
| 17:38:23 | GodEater_Web | heh - that brings back memories - I used to have an ST back in the day |
| 17:39:22 | curious1 | cool, i never had one, i got a bitchy amiga ;) i discovered some great ST ym tunes way later on deliplayer |
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| 17:40:08 | GodEater_Web | well arguably the amiga was the better machine (it was definitely more expensive!) |
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| 17:40:36 | curious1 | well, yeah, but as a musican, i so wished i had bought the atari with midi interface back then |
| 17:40:38 | curious1 | ;) |
| 17:40:46 | GodEater_Web | ah yes - it did have that advantage |
| 17:40:49 | curious1 | but what did i know back than |
| 17:41:25 | curious1 | well, the good news is that if NSF works in real time than YM should be a snap |
| 17:42:47 | curious1 | i dont know if my lousy code will ever make it to your cvs, but at least i will release it as a patch |
| 17:43:08 | curious1 | and do a few builds for nano and iriver user (since its the only stuff i can test) |
| 17:43:09 | preglow | i wonder what ever happene to pagefault's attempt at spc playback |
| 17:43:39 | curious1 | spc is SNES? |
| 17:43:42 | preglow | yea |
| 17:43:53 | curious1 | ah, dont know to much about it |
| 17:44:14 | preglow | i know enough, but pagefault said he had a working player |
| 17:44:27 | preglow | and would post a patch Any Moment (tm) |
| 17:44:35 | preglow | that was over a month ago |
| 17:44:44 | curious1 | hmmm the more formats the merrier |
| 17:47:16 | curious1 | wow. you guys dont know how happy i am now. i never thought 32mb would be available with the nano ;) |
| 17:48:10 | curious1 | since there are no 32 mb mods of any kind i know, there should be no problems at all |
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| 17:51:44 | preglow | i know of 32 meg xms |
| 17:52:35 | jhMikeS | hmmm...wonder if that commit will go over ok. :) |
| 17:52:50 | curious1 | can i just post my build at the offical forums or do i need to check in diffs? since i will definatley need some testers when i add new formats |
| 17:53:11 | PaulPosition | I'm sorry for spamming, I really do need an answer to this.. : |
| 17:53:16 | PaulPosition | ANYONE with some mi4 knowledge would tell me... I scramble the rockbox bootloader with ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 for both the H105gb MTP and 20gb MTP models.. There's a 5gb UMS one, does it need a different scramble scheme? |
| 17:53:52 | GodEater_Web | because everyone that knows the answer has just ignored the first two times... |
| 17:54:49 | curious1 | 32 meg xms? oaky i admit i dont know too much about the latest mod foramts |
| 17:54:54 | curious1 | im more oldskool ;) |
| 17:55:07 | crwl | "latest" mod formats ;D |
| 17:55:20 | GodEater_Web | curious1: add them as diffs to flyspray |
| 17:55:52 | curious1 | well yeah, theres still a mod scene i think. however i do everything with midi today |
| 17:56:40 | curious1 | i dont think we can include v2m though .... which would be the latest "scene" format i know of.... since it relies to heavy on cpu |
| 17:57:09 | curious1 | and is basically a virtual vsti with midi |
| 17:57:41 | curious1 | but of course, feel free to proove me wrong ;) |
| 17:58:20 | curious1 | i admit as of yet i have no idea how to use the second cpu on the ipod nano (apartz form the fact i dont even habe my present now ;) |
| 17:59:01 | curious1 | what i do right now is collecting replay routines for old mod formats. change the loader, cut all unecessary libs and build a codec |
| 17:59:30 | curious1 | i will then have to test later which players run in realtime without further optimizing |
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| 18:00:25 | kclaf | re |
| 18:00:47 | Cassandra | hi |
| 18:01:56 | curious1 | GodEater_Web: well i prefer builds, so more people test the stuff... a diff usually means everyone compiles for personal use and no feedback at all, though im new to the rockbox community |
| 18:02:19 | GodEater_Web | people in this channel are pretty good with feedback if you ask nicely :) |
| 18:02:55 | Cassandra | "Your patch sucks the c**k" is feedback, right? |
| 18:03:07 | curious1 | hehe, yeah.. you ll jsut have to hold on for xmas because i really dont want to check in something never tested |
| 18:03:09 | GodEater_Web | hahahah yeah |
| 18:03:10 | n1s | very "constructive" ;-) |
| 18:03:36 | GodEater_Web | submitting patches doesn't count as "checking in" |
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| 18:03:59 | n1s | weee! ICE, sigh |
| 18:03:59 | curious1 | so i am safe and dont get ripped into pieces ;) |
| 18:04:36 | GodEater_Web | well except by Cassandra apparently :) |
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| 18:04:55 | curious1 | well thats okay for someone named Cassandra |
| 18:05:00 | curious1 | it's her job ;) |
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| 18:05:57 | * | GodEater_Web gets out of the way rapidly |
| 18:06:19 | Cassandra | Just keepin' it real, dudes. |
| 18:06:33 | Cassandra | (Did I really just say that?) |
| 18:06:34 | GodEater_Web | right - off home - chat later peeps |
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| 18:07:32 | webguest81 | help needed for sansa users. could someone send me the OF.bin to put into .rockbox and tell me how to boot from mlatest build ? |
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| 18:10:15 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: you're my hero. |
| 18:10:54 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: thanks. why's that? :) |
| 18:11:54 | PaulPosition | webguest I doubt it, the OF.bin is made from YOUR OWN original firmware and there's too many versions of it around. I would try to see if just renaming your original firmware file to OF.bin would work and if not, the latter part of my tutorial over at misticriver (it's for H10 but the last part should apply to your sansa) may interest you.. |
| 18:12:09 | PaulPosition | Webguest81 - http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50074 |
| 18:12:23 | webguest81 | PaulPosition |
| 18:12:30 | webguest81 | PaulPosition:thanks |
| 18:12:42 | PaulPosition | webguest - It's about decrypting the original firmware... Can't say for sure that the steps are the same, but you probably can work something out from this. |
| 18:13:38 | webguest81 | just dont have time to go on my linux/vmware/cygwin to mkcrypt, later ! |
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| 18:15:29 | * | jhMikeS is the butt of a (hopefully) friendly joke? commit of a stupid change? ?? |
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| 18:16:44 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: you're my hero because you're doing Good Things to playback lately |
| 18:17:09 | n1s | lostlogic, are you mr profile? |
| 18:18:02 | lostlogic | n1s: I did write the profiling stuff... but haven't looked at it really since then :-\ |
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| 18:18:53 | n1s | lostlogic: I managed to build with profiling enabled but when I run vorbis codec nothing gets outputted. :-/ |
| 18:19:02 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: ah. I also hope "gutting" playback.c results in something worthwhile. Needs some reorganizations for sure. |
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| 18:22:09 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: yep |
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| 18:22:44 | * | jhMikeS wonders if any odd bugs happened to disappear with using synchronous message sending. the resume deadlock definitely won't though. |
| 18:22:45 | lostlogic | n1s: hmm... I assume you ensured that profile start and profile stop calls were being made at the start and stop of the codec? |
| 18:23:05 | n1s | lostlogic: hmm, might need to check that... |
| 18:23:07 | ]RowaN[ | guys now that theres no .mi4 file in the sansa zip, how do i get my sansa to load the sansa.e200 file? |
| 18:23:36 | lostlogic | n1s: it doesn't do any kind of realtime output, it just collects data from the time you call start until you call stop and then outputs it after the stop call. |
| 18:24:20 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: did you put the proper synchronous vs. async handling of rebuffer and seek in (had to be dropped due to a weird bug before sync queues) |
| 18:27:00 | jhMikeS | I didn't change anything there yet, just got rid of the codec callback queue at first. But now the I can let only the particular thread go that sent the message at any point so there's more control. |
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| 18:32:40 | ]RowaN[ | hmm gotta go =/ |
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| 18:34:27 | PaulPosition | Okay... |
| 18:35:22 | PaulPosition | You guys may get a few unhappy H10 users today who downloaded newest builds but can't boot anymore. Need a new bootloader to go along the newish commits for that target. |
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| 18:36:28 | jhMikeS | PaulPosition: any in particular? should I take a second look at anything I did? |
| 18:36:30 | PaulPosition | I made a bit of a tutorial, nothing exceptional, but if anyone gets too aggressive or too depressive, you might as well send him over at http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50074 for some information.. :p |
| 18:36:52 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Why at misticriver, and not on the Rockbox wiki? |
| 18:37:01 | n1s | PaulPosition: bagder said he will put them up tonight |
| 18:37:48 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Well because I haven't yet learnt the format for wiki and because I write like a dick anyway. |
| 18:38:40 | PaulPosition | n1s - True enough.. |
| 18:39:27 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - besides, except for the unencrypting/beheading and renaming of the Official Firmware file for dualboot, there isn't much that will be usefull in it once a day or so has passed and the bootloaders are available from rockbox.org... |
| 18:40:16 | PaulPosition | jhMikes - Nothing about your commits, it is all Barry and Dan's fault. ;-) |
| 18:40:36 | jhMikeS | PaulPosition: hehe...ok :) |
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| 18:41:38 | * | jhMikeS has his x5 back but the joystick still feels funny (but seems to work) and is wondering if cowon just did something super cheap for a repair :\ |
| 18:42:54 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: I'm just thinking that Rockbox needs someone to write some up-to-date install instructions for the H10, including how to make dual-boot work... The current install instructions in our wiki don't seem very comprehensive. |
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| 18:43:11 | linuxstb | So I'm just trying to recruit you :) |
| 18:43:20 | Hdaackdaa | hi. |
| 18:44:01 | Hdaackdaa | Can anyone tell me how to install a wps that requires a patch (basically how to install that patch?) for e.g. the album art patch? |
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| 18:44:59 | linuxstb | Hdaackdaa: A "patch" isn't designed to be installed by users (but it can be). A patch is a set of changes to the Rockbox source code, so you apply the patch, and then compile the new version of Rockbox. |
| 18:45:09 | strabes | how do you apply patches? |
| 18:45:16 | Arathis | PaulPosition: am I right, that if I use current CVS builds I don't have to apply the patch anymore, but still have to build the bootloader (cause there is no solution for automatically build the bootloader and no solution for the problem that you can't use BL and RB from different CVS version?) |
| 18:45:37 | linuxstb | strabes: With the "patch" command. |
| 18:45:59 | strabes | alrighty |
| 18:46:01 | Hdaackdaa | oh.. um, do the latest builds have patches already instaalled on them? |
| 18:46:03 | linuxstb | There are various pages in the wiki about compiling Rockbox yourself, and working with patches. |
| 18:46:17 | GodEater | and an enormous thread on the forums too |
| 18:46:47 | Hdaackdaa | dont wanna do that right now. I havent still gone throuugh exploring my rockbox to the fullest yet :). but will do it soon |
| 18:47:21 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Exactly, no need to patch anymore as it's been committed to cvs, but you'll need to build a bootloader.. Try with your current patched one first, maybe there hasn't been much changed between last version of patch you applied and the committed changes. :) |
| 18:47:27 | linuxstb | Hdaackdaa: Your best option is to try some of the "unofficial builds" (see the forum with the same name) - these are builds made by users who apply patches and compile themselves. |
| 18:47:36 | Hdaackdaa | btw, can anyone send me the pacman.zip (need to try pacman). my ISP has blocked downloading from http and ftp sites for the moment |
| 18:47:40 | PaulPosition | Arathis - Or I put a few pre-compiled 'loaders at mistic. |
| 18:47:51 | Hdaackdaa | k. thanks linuxstb |
| 18:48:10 | GodEater | goodness me there are a lot of people wanting to download last night's installment of The Hogfather |
| 18:48:29 | Hdaackdaa | linuxstb: btw are you still working on linux portability to 5.5G ? |
| 18:48:54 | Hdaackdaa | umm, pacman anyone? |
| 18:49:31 | GodEater | Hdaackdaa: 5.5G (30GB) is fully supported now, we're still working on the 80GB |
| 18:49:32 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - I'll have a look at the current install instructions for H10s and see what I can add or rework, but really I don't have a firm grasp of the english language and I smoke too much weed to have any sort of coherence/order/structure in my writing.. :( |
| 18:50:01 | GodEater | PaulPosition: weirdly though that read perfectly :) |
| 18:50:08 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Your misticriver thread looks fine to me... |
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| 18:50:40 | linuxstb | Hdaackdaa: What do you mean by "linux portability" ? |
| 18:50:54 | Arathis | PaulPosition: I'll just wait some time. don't see why I should apdate again so soon. |
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| 18:51:09 | GodEater | I assume he meant rockbox =/ |
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| 18:51:45 | Arathis | pabs: btw, precompiled BLs would either be very temporarily or just time consuming for the one who wants to keep them up2date |
| 18:52:27 | Hdaackdaa | no. i hav already installed rockbox. its working great ! :) |
| 18:52:41 | Hdaackdaa | i meant linux, side by side with apple os and rockbox. |
| 18:52:54 | linuxstb | No, I've never worked on ipodlinux... |
| 18:53:12 | Hdaackdaa | oh ok. |
| 18:53:17 | GodEater | rockbox is a tough enough commitment :) |
| 18:53:33 | curious1 | @all: is someone working on "Weighted Playlists" aka the star ***** rating system from the apple ipod?... i think that'd be even more important than my oldschool module player ;) |
| 18:54:04 | PaulPosition | Arathis - No problem but still when you update you'll need to update the bootloader.. It's just that rockbox.org will provide a link to it sooner or later. :) |
| 18:54:27 | Hdaackdaa | GodEater: does any wps work (with album art) with the latest official build (cvs frm 18th dec 2006)? |
| 18:54:59 | GodEater | not as far as I'm aware |
| 18:55:07 | GodEater | album art isn't in the official code tree |
| 18:55:08 | PaulPosition | Hdaackdaa - If you want album_art you need to either start compiling OR find a pre-compiled build from someone (ie, check the 'unofficial builds' section of rockbox.org forums) |
| 18:55:51 | Hdaackdaa | ok. btw, this wiki (the ipodlinux one) still has this old tutorial on installig rockbox on a 5.5G (http://ipodlinux.org/5.5g) |
| 18:56:06 | Arathis | PaulPosition: or someone figures out how to solve the problem so you would just need to build the BL one as it was with the non-dualboot one |
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| 18:56:19 | Arathis | like install and forget |
| 18:57:17 | piquadrat | hi! I'm in the midst of writing a plugin which needs to read in a text file. Is there some documentation how to read in a file in a sensible way? |
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| 18:57:56 | Gnelik | Hi all |
| 18:57:57 | PaulPosition | Arathis - You shouldn't need to change bootloaders once you have one that is up to date with the committed changes. |
| 18:58:49 | n1s | piquadrat: there are lots of plugins that read files, viewer and text_editor comes to mind, maybe take a look there? |
| 18:59:06 | PaulPosition | Arathis - When the patch was a work-in-progress, some things changed between builds, but now it should just be a do-once, maybe a re-do if sometime in the future someone finds out how to make it much better. |
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| 19:00:22 | piquadrat | n1s: good idea, thanks! |
| 19:00:47 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I don't even think 'the changes have changed' since the one you tried yesterday so most probably today's rockbox build should work with your BL. |
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| 19:02:21 | Arathis | "make it better" means a real bootloader so after shutton OF down you can boot rockbox without doing a reset first? |
| 19:04:26 | PaulPosition | I don't think this would be possible though.. No, I meant something that may or may not have to do with dualbooting anyway. Barry and Dan's changes weren't meant to warrant a bl+rockbox couple yet it did for the H10 platform. Maybe (but just maybe) some such trouble may come again when, for instance, they find out how to use the second cpu core..? I just don't know. |
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| 19:05:40 | Arathis | speaing of that: did barry find out why EQ and peakmeter worked without skipping with the patched version? |
| 19:07:06 | PaulPosition | Arathis - I don't think so, but my test showed that while it didn't skip for a few minutes, after three or four songs had went by it started to lag and skip as usual.. Maybe just coincidence? |
| 19:07:45 | Arathis | don't know. nevr tested it really though |
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| 19:09:13 | curious1 | @all ;) why do you guys use .bmp for album art... why not JPEG? |
| 19:13:46 | GodEater | jpeg would mean spending expensive cpu cycles on decoding the image |
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| 19:14:19 | GodEater | although as stated above - album art isn't officially included in rockbox yet |
| 19:14:25 | GodEater | only in the 3rd party patches |
| 19:16:30 | Arathis | PaulPosition: works. BL from yesterday and newest CVS autobuild from the site. OF and RB boot fine |
| 19:16:36 | Arathis | gtg |
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| 19:20:47 | curious1 | GodEater: well i have this folder.jpg in all of my mp3 folders ;) i found a free source http://www.voicenet.com/~richgel/ |
| 19:21:15 | curious1 | ill try to include it to this "unoffical " album art branch |
| 19:21:52 | curious1 | though there are some mmx and x68 asm things going on, but i guess they can be replaced |
| 19:22:24 | curious1 | also i guess ill use even more cpu cycles on my modplayer routines ;) |
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| 19:26:03 | markun | curious1: you know that we have a jpeg decoder in rockbox already? |
| 19:26:41 | elinenbe_work | what we really need is an ID3 album art patch |
| 19:28:17 | markun | We should put the album art in the audio buffer. Then it doesn't matter if it comes from a file or from the id3 tag |
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| 19:30:25 | curious1 | markun: nope, im new to this.... i dont even have a hardware player yet... im just browsing flyspray |
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| 19:30:59 | curious1 | ups |
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| 19:37:22 | ]RowaN[ | guys how will my sansa know to boot sansa.e200 now that theres no .mi4 flash file in the rockbox zip? |
| 19:37:38 | ]RowaN[ | throw a snowball at me if im missing something simple |
| 19:37:47 | curious1 | hmmm album_art_v5.2_nobmpresize_20061215.patch , it looks specifically for bitmaps, so the user is forced to use .bmp so if theres an jpeg decoder it's not used ;) |
| 19:39:13 | curious1 | however if album art is an unsupported brach what is the offical one? supporting these new ID3 tags? (in never dig into this tag ID system.. i just know we have ID v1.0/1.1 and ape) |
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| 19:40:45 | curious1 | monolog ;) i think most of my own files are ape anyway as it is the default when you encode with musepack |
| 19:43:09 | n1s | ]RowaN[: you need a bootloader that isn't available prebuilt yet, but hopefully will be |
| 19:43:47 | ]RowaN[ | ah thanks |
| 19:45:43 | curious1 | jpeg.c, v 1.66 2006-12-07 17:23:52 JPEG image viewer,,, there it is :)( |
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| 20:00:50 | Nico_P | anyone willing to help me test cuesheet support ? |
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| 20:01:04 | Nico_P | i can't test on target |
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| 20:03:51 | Nico_P | noone to help me ? |
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| 20:06:03 | curious1 | Nico_P: i would, it's just−−- i get my hw player for christmas ;) |
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| 20:06:19 | Nico_P | curious1: no risk ;) |
| 20:07:21 | Nico_P | in fact currently it craches but i think i know why |
| 20:07:22 | jhMikeS | I'm too pissed to cause Cowon fucked up royally "fixing" my x5 >:[ |
| 20:08:15 | Nico_P | curious1: what player do you have ? |
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| 20:08:31 | curious1 | i ll get an ipod nano , 1st gen |
| 20:08:44 | Nico_P | curious1: nice :) |
| 20:09:01 | Nico_P | i hope my patch is finished by christmas, though |
| 20:09:28 | curious1 | cool |
| 20:09:44 | curious1 | i have finsihed a new .mod replayer and im working on TFMX |
| 20:09:49 | * | jhMikeS warns, if you get a Cowon, make sure you don't use it or else they'll have to fix it and they might send you back a semi brick when all you needed was switch fixed |
| 20:10:11 | curious1 | but ill release it when i actually can test it on HW ;) |
| 20:10:40 | curious1 | i have my doubts the ipod nano is equal in speed terms with my brothers iriver h100 |
| 20:11:02 | curious1 | its just so cute and little ;) |
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| 20:13:08 | curious1 | jhMikeS: i wanted to get a Cowon first, but then i saw the nano, and it was a luv at first sight thing ;) |
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| 20:13:32 | plexnesen | I have a problem with installing rockbox on my 1st gen Ipod Nano |
| 20:14:04 | curious1 | plexnesen, how come? |
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| 20:14:46 | plexnesen | in the last command, if you have the latest version, I get an error msg |
| 20:15:00 | plexnesen | Cannot Open loader image file bootloader-nano.bin |
| 20:15:38 | plexnesen | and when I boot up my ipod I get a error msg in 4 different languages |
| 20:16:09 | plexnesen | Saying that I have to use Itunes to rebuild settings |
| 20:16:49 | curious1 | hmmm, i admit did not look at the ipod nano/rockbox install instructions yet... but sounds like you still boot apple software |
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| 20:17:02 | jhMikeS | curious1: The Cowon's a very nice player, just hope nothing needs service |
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| 20:18:23 | plexnesen | I dont know what to do |
| 20:18:29 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: did you check out the cue patch in the tracker? |
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| 20:18:42 | plexnesen | I've tried over 4 times now |
| 20:18:43 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: which one ? |
| 20:18:48 | plexnesen | and it still doesnt work |
| 20:19:04 | SUSaiyan | does the bootloader-nano.bin file actually exist? |
| 20:19:16 | plexnesen | cant find it in the folder |
| 20:19:36 | SUSaiyan | well that explains that |
| 20:20:23 | SUSaiyan | do you have it anywhere else? |
| 20:20:25 | lowlight | hehe...my first google gadget: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox_recent_cvs.xml |
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| 20:20:32 | markun | jhMikeS: so, what now? You'll send it back again? |
| 20:20:40 | GodEater | plexnesen: you're using the wrong install guide by the sounds of it |
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| 20:20:47 | plexnesen | oh? |
| 20:20:47 | GodEater | use this one : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 20:21:07 | plexnesen | Ive clicked on the nano 1st gen manual |
| 20:21:15 | * | SUSaiyan wonders if thats up to date |
| 20:21:17 | GodEater | yes - that's out of date |
| 20:21:24 | GodEater | use the link I just gave you |
| 20:21:31 | SUSaiyan | heh, why isnt that updated |
| 20:21:48 | GodEater | cos linuxstb only finished this in the last day or so |
| 20:21:56 | GodEater | and hasn't got round to regenerating all the manuals yet |
| 20:21:58 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: which patch ? |
| 20:21:58 | SUSaiyan | true |
| 20:22:00 | GodEater | give the poor fellow a chance |
| 20:22:12 | GodEater | he's been working round the clock on it |
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| 20:22:31 | SUSaiyan | well arent the old files that go with the old manual still there? |
| 20:22:35 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: it looks like it is no longer there... |
| 20:22:49 | GodEater | they might be - but the new install method is MUCH less error prone |
| 20:22:58 | GodEater | and much more user friendlyu |
| 20:23:17 | SUSaiyan | true, but if he has the old files, he was using the right manual :P |
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| 20:24:24 | GodEater | but he *doesn't* have the old files |
| 20:24:25 | GodEater | he just said so |
| 20:24:50 | SUSaiyan | he did? |
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| 20:25:25 | GodEater | [19:19] <plexnesen> cant find it in the folder |
| 20:25:54 | SUSaiyan | well not the bootloader no, but he does have the old er, whatever the tools were called ^^ |
| 20:26:10 | SUSaiyan | i cant even remember what the old installation was like >.> |
| 20:26:11 | GodEater | which were buggy |
| 20:26:20 | GodEater | you had to ipod_fw |
| 20:26:25 | GodEater | AND ipodpatcher |
| 20:26:29 | GodEater | now you only need ipodpatcher |
| 20:26:45 | SUSaiyan | yes, i know what its like now, i did it more then 10 times last weekend :P |
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| 20:27:03 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: you did the initial work on the album art patch −− right? |
| 20:27:17 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: ys |
| 20:27:23 | Nico_P | yes |
| 20:27:34 | SUSaiyan | though i dont remember what ipod_fw did |
| 20:27:46 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: any chance you'll look into artwork embedded in ID3 tags or jpeg artwork? |
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| 20:28:45 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: it'd be quite hard work and a big change... we'd need to add jpeg decoding to the core |
| 20:29:31 | curious1 | Nico_P: yes , i jsut thought about jpeg support today,,, thers an app some where a jepg decoder plugin with a thousand zoom features |
| 20:29:40 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: and i'm not sure everyone would agree with having jpeg decoding in the core ;) |
| 20:29:46 | curious1 | Nico_P: but we should strip that down and add it to album art |
| 20:30:01 | plexnesen | I have a problem in step F |
| 20:30:14 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Gonna add myself to the long list of members for wiki.. Is the small blurb about installation in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port all there is right now? And do you have idea of a solid, no-nonsense wikipage for another target which would provide good styling for how install instructions *should* be written? |
| 20:30:18 | plexnesen | Replace [device] with the number (Windows users) or device name (Mac OS X/Unix users) you've been using to access your ipod, and replace the XXXXX to match the name of the bootloader file you downloaded in step a). |
| 20:30:34 | plexnesen | the name of the bootloader file is .rockbox? |
| 20:31:06 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: maybe i'll have a look at it when i'm finished with cuesheets (and after the holidays)... but it's not in my priorities because imho jpeg->bmp should be done on the computer |
| 20:31:15 | GodEater | plexnesen: no |
| 20:31:24 | GodEater | you should have downloaded the bootloader file from the same page |
| 20:31:28 | Nico_P | as of embedded tags, it's another matter and it's probably even harder |
| 20:31:38 | curious1 | Nico_P: here's the routine (however lots of unecessary stuff) ->jpeg.c, v 1.66 2006-12-07 17:23:52 JPEG image viewer. ill try to include it to album art when im done with my .mod stuff |
| 20:31:39 | Nico_P | i'm a bit of a newbie coder ;) |
| 20:31:51 | plexnesen | bootload-ipodnano.ipod? |
| 20:31:56 | GodEater | yes |
| 20:31:57 | plexnesen | bootloaer* |
| 20:31:59 | plexnesen | damn |
| 20:32:02 | plexnesen | bootloader |
| 20:32:04 | plexnesen | ok |
| 20:32:05 | GodEater | plexnesen: that's the right one |
| 20:32:06 | SUSaiyan | yes |
| 20:33:05 | Nico_P | curious1: where did yous see that quote ? in the file ? |
| 20:34:04 | curious1 | Nico_P: which quote? i made a search on my *blush* cygwin folder... to see where in the source the jpeg decoder is included... and it was that app |
| 20:34:24 | GodEater | anyone know a decent Excel macro to convert a hex number into a binary one ? |
| 20:34:48 | curious1 | Nico_P: apps\plugins\jpeg.c |
| 20:34:53 | Nico_P | curious1: "JPEG image viewer. ill try to include it to album art when im done with my .mod stuff" |
| 20:34:57 | plexnesen | I get it to work.. but then its just saying OK to disconnect |
| 20:35:05 | plexnesen | and it doesnt work to start it |
| 20:35:16 | curious1 | Nico_P: i said that ;) that wasnt a quote ;) |
| 20:35:35 | Nico_P | curious1: aahh, sorry |
| 20:36:21 | curious1 | Nico_P: i can build you a preview for your H300 and you tell me how much you hate it ;= |
| 20:36:26 | curious1 | *giggle* |
| 20:36:33 | Nico_P | i know about the jpeg plugin, but it's a big one and i wouldn't really now where to start looking at it |
| 20:36:56 | Nico_P | curious1: a preview of jpeg in the core ? |
| 20:37:00 | curious1 | yes, i think its kinda overpowered with all that features |
| 20:37:07 | curious1 | nope , for .mod replay |
| 20:37:22 | Nico_P | i don't have any .mod file... |
| 20:37:30 | curious1 | oh i see! |
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| 20:38:32 | GodEater | plexnesen: what do you mean "it doesn't work to start it" ? |
| 20:39:30 | curious1 | Nico_P: .cue list support is great, will you also work on weighted playlists? like the ipod ***** system? |
| 20:39:36 | plexnesen | got it to work now |
| 20:39:42 | curious1 | congrats |
| 20:40:02 | plexnesen | no... |
| 20:40:09 | plexnesen | its when i start it again |
| 20:40:16 | Nico_P | curious1: i don't know about weighted playlists... what are they ? |
| 20:40:54 | curious1 | Nico_P: when you play your favorite songs,,,, they get a higher rating.... so you can include a playmode like "play all my favorite songs" |
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| 20:41:43 | Nico_P | curious1: couldn't the same thing be achieved with ratings and the database ? |
| 20:42:50 | curious1 | Nico_P: hmm maybe it could, i found no one working on this yet |
| 20:44:19 | curious1 | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1042 someone requested it here |
| 20:44:26 | Slasheri | database already supports automatic rating |
| 20:44:30 | Slasheri | (but not manual rating yet) |
| 20:45:01 | Nico_P | Slasheri: automatic rating ? how does that work ? |
| 20:45:37 | jhMikeS | markun: we'll, see. just got done writing them back. will be very nice and patient at first but I'm fuming big time. |
| 20:46:25 | Slasheri | Nico_P: you should check the manual and DataBase wiki page |
| 20:46:34 | Nico_P | :) |
| 20:46:42 | Slasheri | then you can add that "Favorite songs" entry to the menu |
| 20:46:47 | Slasheri | in fact it already has "Best tracks" |
| 20:47:03 | plexnesen | GodEater: when I reboot it the frame:"OK to disconnect" is there |
| 20:47:13 | plexnesen | and it wouldnt boot up |
| 20:47:29 | Slasheri | plexnesen: you need to hold down menu and select |
| 20:47:31 | Slasheri | to reset it |
| 20:47:44 | plexnesen | I did that |
| 20:47:52 | plexnesen | when you turn it off or on? |
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| 20:48:34 | Slasheri | you don't need to do that. just resetting it is enough |
| 20:49:08 | jhMikeS | it might as well be a brick since it can't connect. I guess they only want me listening to "IAUDIO - Friends & Lovers.mp3" over and over. |
| 20:49:28 | n1s | :) |
| 20:50:42 | GodEater | plexnesen: unplug it |
| 20:52:42 | jhMikeS | Should reflash the fw via my camera on USBOTG and see if the USB behavior is different between the ROM and another OF. :\ |
| 20:57:26 | plexnesen | can I use .OGG files? |
| 20:57:32 | plexnesen | ogg vorbis |
| 20:58:05 | GodEater | only once you get it working |
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| 21:00:16 | GodEater | well that's bloody useless - Excel's HEX2BIN() function won't work on anything larger than a 10 bit value |
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| 21:11:46 | GodEater | Llorean around ? |
| 21:12:03 | GodEater | bugger - no he isn't |
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| 21:36:15 | Helio_Nami | Hey guys... I got a question... |
| 21:36:38 | Helio_Nami | I got an old schol 2nd gen ipod 20gb and was wondering if Rockbox would work on it. |
| 21:36:48 | n1s | no |
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| 21:36:51 | Helio_Nami | *school |
| 21:37:10 | PaulPosition | Hmm.. Anyone with edit rights for the wiki willing to give me some access.. ? I might be adding some things regarding installation/dualboot on the iRiver H10 target but for now I would just like to be able to test/draft modifications from my 'personnal' wiki page.. |
| 21:37:26 | Helio_Nami | would I have to ask for a feature request for that then? |
| 21:37:27 | n1s | sure, name please |
| 21:37:34 | PaulPosition | n1s AlexandreFournelle |
| 21:37:41 | PaulPosition | And thanks :) |
| 21:38:49 | dan_a | Helio_Nami: None of the devs have 1st or 2nd gen iPods. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen iPods, so it might be worth trying it and seeing what doesn't work |
| 21:39:07 | n1s | PaulPosition: done |
| 21:39:12 | Helio_Nami | oka |
| 21:39:14 | Helio_Nami | thanks |
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| 21:39:57 | PaulPosition | n1s - Thanks.. Recopying the H10-port page and editing it from there shouldn't cause any problem if I remove the links so that it doesn't show in parents/childs searches, right? |
| 21:40:25 | n1s | ? |
| 21:40:27 | PaulPosition | Then if I (and Barry) are happy with result I could copy-paste 'em in the right place afterward.. |
| 21:40:55 | PaulPosition | n1s - I'm UNwilling to put any change in before someone more in the know have a look at it. nevermind. :) |
| 21:41:16 | n1s | now that i can do ;-) |
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| 21:43:10 | PaulPosition | n1s - And anyway, I'm waiting for badger to work something out for downloadable bootloaders.. The old ones don't work with the current builds and I'm waiting for a few links from him. |
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| 21:43:59 | PaulPosition | n1s - When this is done, then I could think about adding stuff to the wikipage for real.. I just needed a place to work on a dummy and my profile should do. :) |
| 21:44:42 | n1s | PaulPosition: or you can do like linuxstb did and make a H10InstallationBeta page |
| 21:45:19 | PaulPosition | n1s - Oh, he did? |
| 21:45:29 | n1s | yes, but for ipods |
| 21:46:01 | PaulPosition | n1s - That would make sense.. I'll have a look around. |
| 21:47:14 | n1s | oh and btw did the ata poweroff patch ever work out for you? |
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| 21:48:10 | PaulPosition | n1s - I so forgot about that one.. Been trying to help folks over at misticriver since I woke up this morning.. |
| 21:48:25 | PaulPosition | n1s - I'll try to have a look later. Sorry. :( |
| 21:49:03 | n1s | np, the settings block changed again today so you'll have to fiddle a bit with it perhaps |
| 21:49:16 | PaulPosition | n1s - I'm getting used to it. :p |
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| 22:07:10 | PaulPosition | n1s - D'you think it'd be bad to my health to work from the manual's installation procedure for H10 (its waaaay outdated) for the wiki? Then when it gets edited and re-edited and on and on (by anyone who cares, really), then it might be put back as latex or whatever and into cvs..? |
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| 22:43:06 | n1s | PaulPosition: it isn't really much trouble to convert the text to TeX so I'd say work in whatever for you're most comfortable. |
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| 22:43:57 | Digamma | Is there a CVS yet of a working sound Sansa e200 |
| 22:44:20 | n1s | no |
| 22:44:41 | Digamma | ok; |
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| 22:50:31 | PaulPosition | n1s - Yeah, but I'll rework it from what's in the manual anyway, it is a good basis. :) (of course, to wiki format..) |
| 22:50:48 | martian67 | hmm |
| 22:50:53 | martian67 | i shut down my ipod |
| 22:51:01 | martian67 | now it wont turn back on |
| 22:51:03 | martian67 | any tips? |
| 22:51:43 | n1s | PaulPosition: ok, and I would appreciate to get it in to the manual whenever you feel finished :-) |
| 22:52:01 | n1s | martian67: charge it |
| 22:52:14 | martian67 | ok it turned on |
| 22:52:16 | martian67 | weird o.O |
| 22:52:53 | PaulPosition | n1s - tomorrow I'll have it somewhat ready (I think) and if it's not too bad I'll see how I could convert it to TeX. :) |
| 22:54:09 | * | n1s thinks it's good when people writing in the manual actually have or have used the target they are wrighting for. |
| 22:54:18 | n1s | :-) |
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| 23:29:45 | petur | I thought ipod recording gain was not yet implemented, right? |
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| 23:32:11 | Febs | Are you looking at the forum post about low recording levels on the nano? |
| 23:32:27 | petur | and found the commit remark |
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| 23:32:36 | petur | it's not implemented yet |
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| 23:33:19 | Doomed | the new H10 bootloader is on the iriver bootloader list? |
| 23:34:19 | PaulPosition | Doomed - Unless badger worked it out and didn't tell anyone, I don't think so. But I built some for while we wait, which you can find over in the forums at misticriver.net .. |
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| 23:35:00 | PaulPosition | Doomed - As it is, those bootloaders are probably dated a few months ago.. (you mean those from the wiki H10-Port page, right?) |
| 23:35:01 | Doomed | kk, cause barry says its now dual boot on the front bag |
| 23:35:08 | Doomed | yeah from the wiki |
| 23:35:29 | PaulPosition | Doomed - Yes, and unfortunately, the new Rockbox build NEEDS the new bootloader (and vice-versa).. |
| 23:35:50 | Febs | petur: I'm looking forward to getting a line-in dock and testing out recording on the ipod. |
| 23:35:57 | Doomed | im starting to think that after the H10 wont boot |
| 23:36:02 | PaulPosition | Doomed - But we're looking at having those autobuilt and linked to. I'm re-doing the install guide at the moment while I wait. |
| 23:36:12 | PaulPosition | Doomed - No need to think, now you KNOW. ;) |
| 23:36:14 | Doomed | ok, im looking for the thread now |
| 23:36:34 | petur | Febs: rockbox is a fun recording tool ;) |
| 23:36:36 | Doomed | k im reading now :D |
| 23:36:47 | Bagder | PaulPosition: download.rockbox.org is now hosting the updated H10 bootloaders |
| 23:36:55 | habana | Is there a patch on pastebin that would allow me to test cvs version for sansa ? |
| 23:37:28 | Bagder | habana: why do you need a patch? |
| 23:38:26 | Doomed | hmm that "new' bootloader from download.rockbox doesnt seem to work for me |
| 23:38:35 | habana | because i suppose that a simple e200 file wont upgrade the firmware ? |
| 23:38:39 | Doomed | unless it was just updated |
| 23:39:01 | Bagder | habana: ? |
| 23:39:27 | Bagder | Doomed: it was |
| 23:39:29 | habana | err, i'd like to reinstall a dual boot on my sansa |
| 23:39:42 | petur | I convinced a former colleague to install rb on his h10, and he complained that brushing the touch strip can make volume go dangerously loud too easy. He suggests a setting for volume limit. Yes he knows about the hold functionality. |
| 23:40:20 | Doomed | hmmm btw has anybody fgured out how to get control from the whole touch strip? |
| 23:40:20 | PaulPosition | Badger - Ah cool, I'd go and have a look but right now I'm trying to finish writing a stub for a wikipage on installation to H10.. I'll update my links later tonight when I have tested. |
| 23:40:52 | Bagder | habana: its in CVS, no need for any patch afaik |
| 23:40:53 | Febs | petur: the replaygain preamp or the eq pre-cut control can be used as a makeshift volume limiter. |
| 23:41:13 | Doomed | im getting 2 differnet sizes from PaulPosition and the rockbox site bootloaders |
| 23:41:40 | petur | a volume cap setting would be easy to add... just don't know if it would be appreciated... |
| 23:42:11 | habana | Bagder:thank you , lost my brain between two subways |
| 23:42:42 | petur | Febs: replaygain & co won't limit voice volume |
| 23:42:57 | petur | although he's not using voice |
| 23:43:01 | petur | (atm) |
| 23:43:20 | Doomed | ok well PaulPosition your bootloader works, as of now the download.rockbox.org does NOT work with my H10, maybe its not fully updated yet, dont know |
| 23:43:23 | Febs | True. |
| 23:43:47 | Bagder | it is "fully updated" |
| 23:44:09 | Doomed | well the site says 69 k, but when its downloaded i get 56k |
| 23:44:23 | Bagder | which one? |
| 23:44:31 | Doomed | H10_20GC.mi4 |
| 23:44:43 | Bagder | 70656 bytes |
| 23:45:04 | Bagder | md5 4c5c054bf7035269a003dabe2057b913 |
| 23:45:33 | Doomed | 56.0 KB (57,344 bytes) |
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| 23:46:08 | petur | failed download stuck in a proxy cache? |
| 23:46:12 | Bagder | then your download messed up |
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| 23:47:07 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
| 23:47:10 | PaulPosition | Indeed, if I download it it's allright at 69kb |
| 23:47:12 | Doomed | hmmm firefox cache i guess |
| 23:47:23 | Lars_G | Ah no jdgordon, meh :( |
| 23:47:23 | Doomed | i tried dling with IE and i got the right size |
| 23:47:52 | petur | ie rules, firefox sucks :p |
| 23:47:55 | * | petur ducks |
| 23:47:58 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:48:05 | Doomed | lol pft |
| 23:48:28 | Lars_G | I wonder if he comes at all |
| 23:48:36 | Lars_G | !seen jdgordon |
| 23:48:57 | Bagder | jdgordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) signed off 9 hours and 34 minutes ago ("Konversation terminated!") |
| 23:49:15 | Lars_G | Ah well. |
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| 23:49:53 | Doomed | what name does the bootloader look for for the OF |
| 23:50:09 | petur | crap.bin |
| 23:50:32 | Lars_G | Doomed: The OF is bundled WITH the bootloader in the bootloader partition, afaik |
| 23:50:36 | PaulPosition | Doomed - OF.bin and you need to decrypt it as stated in the tutorial at misticriver (and soon on wiki) |
| 23:50:43 | Doomed | ah kk |
| 23:51:01 | Bagder | Lars_G: hehe, not on the H10 or sansa |
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| 23:55:04 | Lars_G | Bagder: Gah sorry I always forget how many devs this supports |
| 23:55:17 | Doomed | brb |
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