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#rockbox log for 2006-12-20

00:00:06*[IDC]Dragon just made his 1st commit since a year or so
00:01:10[IDC]Dragonwould it be selfish to mention that my lastname lacks a letter, in the cvs table "who" column?
00:01:26muesli__Preparation for disks >137 GB not bad :D
00:01:30Bagderhehe, me fix
00:01:43 Quit Criamos ("( :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: )")
00:01:57*[IDC]Dragon gets a 160 GB tomorrow or so
00:02:27muesli__i guess theres no 160gb for 1.8" so far
00:02:39Bagder[IDC]Dragon: 'n' added, will appear later on
00:02:45[IDC]Dragonsafe guess
00:02:59[IDC]DragonBagder, thanks
00:03:04Lars_GI hope to make a contribution (very small) soon
00:03:06Bagdertoshiba announced their 100GB 1.8" the other day
00:03:28[IDC]Dragonlets make a raid from those
00:03:30Bagderit'll take ages before any mortal can get one
00:03:49Lars_GI'm still waiting for 100Gb flash DAPs
00:03:55Lars_GI don't do HDD daps
00:04:00muesli__the released the 40gb 1.8 single platter last november
00:04:06[IDC]Dragonusually apple is quick in following the HD manufacturers
00:04:11muesli__NOW u can purchase them
00:04:45muesli__Lars_G keep on dreamin and wake up 2008 ;)
00:06:05scorche[IDC]Dragon: ah...nice...looks like i get to do some testing...let me know how it does with your 160 if i dont test first
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00:08:14PaulPositionOkay, I have to leave for the evening..
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00:09:49PaulPositionIf anyone wants to (Linuxstb, badger, n1s, anyone really) you could have a look at which is a somewhat more up-to-date version of the install guide in the H10 manual.. I haven't finished with it (voice and such aren't copied over yet) and presentation sucks, but links and all should work and point to the right files.
00:10:08 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!")
00:10:11habanaBagder: just after update of the cvs and prepairing a bootloader, had this error "find: apps: No such file or directory"
00:10:12PaulPositionAny feedback more than welcome.. And feel free to edit as you wish.
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00:10:38scorchewell, it is a wiki ;)
00:10:53PaulPositionscorche - Is it? :p
00:10:56habanaoups, bootloader doesnt need apps, of course
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00:11:08[IDC]Dragonscorche, do you have a big disk?
00:11:13scorchei do
00:11:21scorcheas i believe i have told you before
00:11:33[IDC]Dragonoops, you did?
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00:11:41scorcheno worries
00:12:01*[IDC]Dragon is bad about remembering people
00:12:08BagderPaulPosition: quite possibly that guide could be used for Sansa installs too as they are very similar...
00:12:13[IDC]Dragonespecially without faces
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00:12:24scorchethat would just scare you off though
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00:12:50joeeeanyone around to help me :(
00:12:52[IDC]Dragonok, let's proceed with IRC then
00:13:00PaulPositionBadger - Maybe, with a few name changes here and there.. Anyway, I got to leave so I'll look at it again later.
00:13:17PaulPositionGood evening, morning, afternoon, whatever ... 'gents and ladies.
00:13:20[IDC]Dragonscorche, make a 2nd primary partition in the upper space
00:13:23BagderPaulPosition: yeah, we'll see, I just wanted to mention it so that you might keep it in mind
00:13:44Bagderjoeee: so ask away
00:13:44[IDC]Dragonyou'd need to take the disk our, of course
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00:13:50TheCollectorjoeee: just ask your question
00:13:55joeeeah ok
00:13:56scorchei would?
00:14:06scorcheah...silly me
00:14:18[IDC]Dragoncopy you favourite 23 GB to it, on a PC
00:14:27joeeeiriver h10, I have installed rokbox already but when i boot the player up it just seems to stop at the loading screen
00:15:02[IDC]Dragon'cause you can't change it over USB again
00:15:26[IDC]Dragonbuild Rockbox with HAVE_BIGLBA and HAVE_MULTIVOLUME
00:15:44scorche[IDC]Dragon: i will have to test later, as i need to find my 2.5 adapter, but carry on with the instructions
00:15:45Bagderjoeee: you probably need to make sure you update both your bootloader and rockbox
00:15:52scorchein fact, it might be worth making a wiki page about it
00:16:01[IDC]Dragonand voila, you can see and play from the 2nd partition
00:16:08[IDC]Dragon(that's it)
00:16:19[IDC]DragonI'll do a wiki page later
00:16:57scorchedoes it appear transparent on the device?
00:17:58scorcheno noticible separation between the 2 partitions?
00:18:04[IDC]Dragonthe 2nd partition looks like a directory, currently named <HD1>
00:18:14Doomedah sweet dual boot on H10 :D
00:19:16Doomedbtw what is rollo?
00:19:20joeeeI use this CVS build yeah?
00:19:48Doomedjoeee you have to update your bootloader
00:20:09joeeein system yes?
00:20:59[IDC]Dragonscorche, it is necessary that the 2nd partition is a primary one, too
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00:21:17[IDC]Dragonnot an extended one, Rockbox doesn't handle that
00:21:35joeeeim seeing that screen atm
00:22:15Doomeddo you have 20 gb?
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00:23:36PaulPositionBadger - D'you not think it might be worth it to put a small note in the 'News' directing H10 crowd to the new BL..? I don't know if it ever happened in the project's life as I haven't been around for long. :)
00:24:21joeeeany ideas :)
00:25:43PaulPositionJoeee - In the link badger provided there a links to the bootloaders. It says you shouldn't have to change them, at least not often unless there's some BIG change. Well today there were BIG changes. :)
00:27:10PaulPositionjoeee - , look under Installing the Bootloader ..
00:27:36PaulPositionthese are links to the newer ones which WILL work together with that latest build you downloaded.
00:27:37*[IDC]Dragon waves goodnight
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00:29:26joeeethere is only one link yeah for 20gig
00:31:04PaulPositionSorry, gave you a wrong link, is the right one.. But anyway, there are links to both UMS and MTP for 5/6gb in there.
00:31:23scorchePaulPosition: not really...there wasnt a notice for the new apple BL either...anyone who cares that much will be watching the commit activity, and all others can wait till we "phase it in" with proper instructions in the manual and all
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00:32:08Lloreanscorche: Though in the case of the H10, it finally received the last batch of core functionality that it should have (dual boot) while the iPod dual booted from before it played music.
00:32:12joeeeso do i need to download both the ums and mtp loaders ?
00:32:19PaulPositionscorche - No problem.. Been reworking that manual entry into a wikipage (above) and when it's done I'll see if I can TeX-it and commit.. :)
00:32:29Doomeddoes the H10 use both cores?
00:32:33Lloreanjoeee: You only download the one for the device you have.
00:32:45joeeeyeah i think i did :>
00:32:59linuxstb_So it seems from that forum post that the Nano _can_ record, and even via the headphone jack?
00:33:25scorchelinuxstb_: yeah...i considered notifying you, but i figured you would see it
00:33:40linuxstb_I read petur's question about gain...
00:33:41Lloreanlinuxstb_: That's what that forum post implies to me.
00:33:56PaulPositionjoeee- Interesting that you ask, I just noticed there really isn't steps to differentiate between MTP and UMS.. I'll add some when I get back later. :)
00:34:05Lloreanlinuxstb_: I'm about to see if I can find a mic and give it a yell.
00:34:58linuxstb_Llorean: You could just try the white headphones that came with your ipod - that's how I tested the headphone jack input on my Photo.
00:35:01PaulPositionJoeee - If your device came with Windows Media Player on a disc, it is MTP. If it came with iRiver's own software, it is UMS.
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00:37:02PaulPositionOkay, bye for real now...
00:37:05 Quit PaulPosition ("for real")
00:37:25Lloreanlinuxstb_: Whichever one I stumble across first then
00:37:49linuxstb_Mine were easy to find - still in the plastic in the box...
00:39:27LloreanI didn't keep my box, but I kept mine for dire emergencies
00:39:35joeeestill not working gah :p
00:39:52joeeeso in my system i should have, h10_20GC and h10
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00:43:57Lloreanlinuxstb_: Not a sign of response. Tried both "Line in" and "Internal Mic" since I really wasn't sure which source should be used.
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00:46:02SUSaiyanwait, what? you can record by putting a mic in the headphone jack on your nano?
00:46:29linuxstb_SUSaiyan: So someone has claimed in the forums. It works on earlier ipods.
00:46:54SUSaiyanokay that im gunna try
00:46:56linuxstb_But that's because the "italk" type accessories plug into the headphone jack (and the remote connector next to it).
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00:47:12linuxstb_AFAIK, there is no italk for the Nano.
00:47:40SUSaiyanwheres the record button anyway? ^^
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00:48:18linuxstb_Llorean: I'm not sure why the text says "internal mic" - it just said "mic" last time I tested the patch... But that should be the option.
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00:49:33*linuxstb_ slaps peter for saying "To reduce confusion, renamed 'Mic' to 'Internal Mic'. Maybe Line In should also be renamed to Line In / External Mic" :)
00:49:44Lloreanlinuxstb_: Well the string used to say "Mic" for the H120 as well, which led to confusion as to whether it was like the "Mic" option in the iRiver firmware (just a different gain setting for the line in) or for the actual Mic.
00:50:33yossaso for sansa dual boot, I put the PP5022.mi4, OF.bin and rockbox.e200 into the main dir and it should work, yes? I'm a little confused by the "system" folder in the mysticriver guide
00:50:50linuxstb_The headphone jack is an external mic input, so we need to make use of the lovely langv2 capabilities...
00:50:57Lloreanlinuxstb_: The .wav files created don't seem to play in Rockbox.
00:51:24SUSaiyanwhere exactly do i find the record button guys? <_<
00:51:34LloreanSUSaiyan: What "record button?"
00:51:35linuxstb_Try the main menu.
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00:53:01Lloreanlinuxstb_: Anyway, using the mic setting, the peakmeter wobbles at a very low level, isn't empty, and as far as I can tell I can't affect it.
00:53:09SUSaiyani dont see it? :/
00:53:26LloreanSUSaiyan: Are you running a new enough build to have the option?
00:53:31habanawould someone know what "rockbox error -6" means when trying to boot on my original firmware ?
00:53:41SUSaiyanhow new does it need to be?
00:53:55linuxstb_Llorean: Yes, that's what I experienced when recording wasn't working. So I don't think it's a case of being at a low level, I just don't think it's working.
00:54:45linuxstb_It was only enabled for the Nano accidentally, and we decided to leave it there so someone could confirm the line-in didn't work.
00:55:57LloreanWell, no headphone jack recording at least (as far as I can tell).
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00:58:31Drkepiloguehey, i have a problem with the new bootloader for the ipod
00:58:54linuxstb_habana: It means your firmware file is larger than the load buffer, which is currently set to be 10MB. Is that the case?
00:59:02linuxstb_Drkepilogue: What's the problem?
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00:59:28Drkepilogueit can boot to the rockbox FW with no problem but when i try and boot the orginal frimware it reset and show folder with exclamation mark error
00:59:50linuxstbDrkepilogue: Did you post on the forum, or was that someone else with the same issue/
01:00:01Drkepiloguei didnt post on forum
01:00:07Drkepiloguei just installed the new bootloader
01:00:11linuxstbOK. Which ipod do you have?
01:00:22Drkepilogue4g photo
01:00:30habanalinuxstb_: my OF.bin is 5.3 mo
01:01:23linuxstbDrkepilogue: That's odd, I've been testing it on my Photo (well, a Color, but they're the same).
01:01:44Drkepiloguei think i should try a reinstallation..
01:01:54linuxstbWhat was on your ipod before you did the install?
01:02:05linuxstb(i.e. was it clean, or did it have an old Rockbox install)?
01:02:25Drkepiloguei had yesterday CVS build and the old bootloader
01:02:40Drkepilogueand w/e crap itune put in there
01:03:36LloreanDo the instructions say it should be installed on a clean iPod bootpartition, or was that not supposed to matter any more?
01:03:48linuxstbIt _shouldn't_ matter.
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01:05:53linuxstbhabana: If your /System/OF.bin file is only 5.3MB, then something odd is going on...
01:05:57Drkepiloguei reinstalled and it still cant load orginal FW
01:06:29linuxstbAre you able to restore your original boot partition contents? (if you kept the bootpartition.bin backup from the first time you installed Rockbox).
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01:07:00Drkepiloguein da instruction
01:07:04Drkepilogueit ask me to make a backup thingy
01:07:06Drkepiloguei did that
01:07:21Drkepilogueand i can "uninstall the bootloader"
01:07:28Drkepilogueso go back to apple FW
01:07:43linuxstbHow do you uninstall the bootloader?
01:07:55habanalinuxstb: you mean .rockbox/OF.bin ?
01:08:07Drkepiloguethe wiki page
01:08:08Drkepiloguee) Create a backup of your ipod's firmware partition
01:08:08linuxstbhabana: No.
01:08:14***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:08:16Drkepiloguefollowed that step
01:08:18habanaso i made a mistake
01:09:09linuxstbDrkepilogue: OK. So when you restore that, do you get the Apple firmware by itself, or the old Rockbox bootloader?
01:09:41Drkepilogueonly apple frimware
01:10:44habanalinuxstb:cant find System. where do i placeit on my player dir ?
01:11:17habanalet it, ill see tomorrow, too tired tonight
01:11:24linuxstbhabana: I'm not sure. I'm just reading the source code to the bootloader, I don't own a H10.
01:11:46habanathanks. im on a sansa
01:11:47Doomedwhat are you tring to do?
01:11:50Doomedoh nvm
01:12:17habanarrrr, zzzz toooo mucchhh ttiiiireeed
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01:15:58Drkepiloguek, i reinstall this like 3 times now, still not working,, hmm
01:16:34linuxstbDrkepilogue: I'm not sure what to suggest... Do you know which version of the Apple firmware you're running?
01:17:28Drkepiloguevery very old
01:17:40Drkepiloguebought it around jun 2005
01:17:47Drkepilogueor something...
01:17:51Drkepilogueand havent upgrade..
01:17:55Drkepilogueeh... owells...
01:18:03Drkepilogueima see if i can install the old bootloader
01:18:47linuxstbA couple of other people have reported similar problems this evening. One of them running v1.1 of the Apple firmware on a 4g (greyscale)
01:19:16Drkepiloguei think so
01:19:23Drkepiloguehow cna u check
01:19:26Drkepiloguewhat version im running?
01:19:36linuxstbGo into the Settings -> About screen.
01:19:39Doomeditunes has info i think
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01:19:56linuxstbThe ipod itself tells you as well.
01:20:16linuxstbI have v1.2 on mine.
01:20:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Does the bootloader just check for the present of apple_os.ipod? It just booted from it despinte the Apple_OS being in the FW partition.
01:20:54linuxstbLlorean: Yes, it defaults to loading the apple_os.ipod if it exists...
01:21:07linuxstbMaybe that needs some thought.
01:21:20LloreanI was just running a test to see if I -wf bootloader.ipod, -wf apple_os.ipod and the -a bootloader.ipod everything still worked fine.
01:21:43LloreanWell, someone really shouldn't have apple_os.ipod unless they want to be loading from it anyway.
01:21:52linuxstbDrkepilogue: Can you try this bootloader? This includes some improvements committed to CVS today.
01:22:13linuxstbLlorean: I'm thinking you may want it there for Rolo'ing purposes in the future.
01:22:57Drkepilogueill try
01:22:58Lloreanlinuxstb: True, but once that works, is there any reason to keep it in the fw partition?
01:23:13LloreanOther than "harder to accidentally delete" I suppose
01:23:35linuxstbThe same reason you put rockbox.ipod in the firmware partition I guess - faster booting.
01:23:59Lars_GBtw this might sound stupid but how can I make rockbox load a config file by default on start?
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01:24:30linuxstbLars_G: If you load a config, then they become the default settings stored in the config sector. That config sector is loaded on start.
01:24:42Lars_Gthanks linuxstb
01:24:51SUSaiyanheh, funny, the new cvs build i downloaded wont boot :/
01:25:03Lars_GSUSaiyan: thanks for the warning
01:25:16SUSaiyanwell, it wont boot for me anyway
01:25:36linuxstbSUSaiyan: Oops... Maybe everyone needs to upgrade their bootloaders then.
01:25:52SUSaiyanpossibly, rolo worked though
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01:27:03linuxstbSUSaiyan: Which ipod do you have?
01:27:25SUSaiyannano, 4GB
01:27:50linuxstbCan you try installing this bootloader?
01:28:01SUSaiyananother update?
01:28:42Lloreanlinuxstb: Is that just the one I'd be running?
01:28:44Lars_Glinuxstb: When did that one come out? it's the one announced on the list about a week ago?
01:29:07linuxstbLlorean: Yes, it's the current CVS.
01:29:09SUSaiyanwhat changed this time? ;)
01:29:33linuxstbSUSaiyan: The startup code, especially how Rockbox initialises the COP has changed.
01:30:01Drkepiloguesame result..
01:30:03SUSaiyandarnit firefox, work with me here
01:30:18Lars_Ggood warning I was just about to compile lattest cvs.
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01:31:11Lars_GJdGordon: Hi, I just wanted to talk with you :)
01:31:12*Lars_G bows
01:32:13Lars_GJdGordon: I want to patch metronome.c and I wonder if you used any program/script to create the sound arrays from the files, and what exact codect and file format each array is on
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01:32:41JdGordoni have no idea about any code in that plugin
01:32:45Lars_GI basically need to add an extra sound array for my patch in both formats. and I'd also like to reverse your arrays into original files to make the new file based on them
01:32:45JdGordonexcept he buttton code
01:32:52Lars_Gah lol.
01:33:02Lars_GSo your name is there only for the last patch, ah ok, sorry
01:33:18Lars_GI'll try to figure it out myself then. thanks
01:36:12SUSaiyanhmm, what version should the bootloader display?
01:38:47SUSaiyanlinuxstb: ^
01:39:12linuxstbIt should display the date/time from about an hour ago (GMT)
01:39:21SUSaiyanhmm, okay
01:39:22Lars_Gso it is RECENT
01:39:24SUSaiyanthat it didnt
01:39:40linuxstbSo 061219-2344 I think
01:39:40SUSaiyanso i must have made a mistake somewhere >.>
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01:39:48SUSaiyanoh crap
01:39:48DigammaCan rockbox play OGG files/
01:39:54SUSaiyani just realized something bad
01:40:17DigammaOnce sound is working could an OGG be played on a Sansa e200
01:40:50SUSaiyan... so does anyone know how to restore a fat32 file table...?
01:40:53linuxstbYes. See the SoundCodecs wiki page for details of all the audio codecs Rockbox supports. The Sansa will be the same as all the other modern (iriver/iaudio/ipod) ports.
01:41:04LloreanDigamma: All Rockbox supported codes should be able to be played on the e200
01:41:21*SUSaiyan completely forgot he had another external hdd connected
01:41:25DigammaCan somone point me to a list of codecs for rockbox?
01:41:43linuxstbSUSaiyan: Huh? Did ipodpatcher write to the wrong disk?
01:41:53SUSaiyanno, i used dd >.>
01:42:02SUSaiyanyou know, with scrable and stuff
01:42:05LloreanDigamma: You were pointed to the SoundCodecs wiki page.
01:42:05linuxstbThat's why you should use ipodpatcher....
01:42:19SUSaiyanwould it like my 8mb sda1?
01:42:28LloreanSUSaiyan: Not to mention the new install process and new bootloader files are specifically for use with the new iPodPatcher...
01:43:15linuxstbSUSaiyan: Ah, I forgot you did that. scramble creates firmware partitions incompatible with ipodpatcher...
01:43:25*linuxstb should fix that sometime
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01:44:57SUSaiyanso now i overwrote the first 100kb of my external hdd ^^
01:45:13SUSaiyanwell its first partition anyway
01:45:17Lars_Gwhere's ipodpatcher?
01:45:36Lars_GAnd what's the advantage to dd?
01:45:52Soap2-SUSaiyan> so now i overwrote the first 100kb of my external hdd ^^
01:45:54SUSaiyannone if you are half asleep
01:46:33LloreanLars_G: The only real advantage of dd, is if you really don't want to use the Apple_OS ever, and want to trim the firmware partition to a bare minimum size.
01:46:39DigammaIs there anything that remotely resembles sound on the Sansa e200
01:46:53Lars_GLlorean: Nah I use both rockbox and the OF
01:47:03*linuxstb tries to think of something that resembles sound, but isn't sound...
01:47:15LloreanDigamma: No, which is why it's not listed in the "Runs on" list on the front page.
01:47:20Soapa tree falling in the woods w/nobody around?
01:47:36Lars_GLlorean: Sorry to be repetitive, would you point me to the url of ipodpatcher's wiki and lattest version?
01:47:38DigammaI am just asking; maybe there could have been a small breakthrough with the CVS builds
01:47:39linuxstbSoap: That's it. Sansas have sound but only if you're not listening...
01:47:54SUSaiyanlinuxstb: the first 100kb is just the filetable, right? >.>
01:47:56Lars_Gnevermind I'll search the wiki
01:47:59linuxstbLars_G: The IpodInstallationBeta wiki page.
01:48:11LloreanDigamma: You're as capable of reading the CVS log on the front page as anyone else here. Do any of those say anything about sound on an e200?
01:48:14Lars_Glinuxstb: Thank you very much
01:48:49linuxstbDigamma: A breakthrough like that will be well-publicised. I don't think you'll miss it.
01:49:30*Lars_G prays ccache works
01:49:55JdGordonhow dangerous is plugging fans into the psu with the power on?
01:50:06Lars_GGood question
01:50:18Lars_GI do not dare respond in case something happens and you blame me.
01:50:24JdGordonshohuold be fine right?
01:50:34Lars_Gbut I'd personally do it if I am completely sure the fan is ok and not shorted
01:51:01Lars_Gjust in case, is this a mobo fan or a molex fan
01:51:24Lars_GI can't guarantee your bios won't go insane if you hook a mobo fan with the machine on
01:52:01JdGordonmolex fan, i woulndt even consider it if it was a mobo one
01:52:25Lars_Gpersonally, I'd do it
01:52:36JdGordonwell me and the comp are still alive so alls good
01:53:07Lars_GJdGordon: Do you know who is the original author of metronome.c ?
01:53:24JdGordonwho does the (c) message say?
01:54:16JdGordonMatthias Wientapper
01:54:20JdGordonwhoever that is...
01:54:24Lars_GMatthias Wientapper
01:54:30JdGordonits 2yrs, 9 months old
01:54:30Lars_GAh forget it I'll decypher the code myself
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01:55:49habana-with-coffdan_a: i reported on the forum a potential bug on sansa builds with dual boot
01:55:52linuxstbSUSaiyan: Any luck? Or are you still trying to fix your trashed hdd?
01:56:17SUSaiyanim trying to fix it, heh
01:56:46JdGordon revision 1.18 could lead you to some helpers
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01:57:14JdGordonLars_G: ^
01:57:16SUSaiyanim actually amazed that this random restore app is not a virus or spyware, well as far as i can tell
01:57:55Lars_GJdGordon: hmm? I'll look
01:58:20Lars_GJdGordon: It's small but I hope this is the first patch I can contrib to rockbox
01:58:44linuxstbhabana-with-coff: Do you have an OF.bin file in the /System folder? I can't see from the source code how it can load /.rockbox/OF.bin
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01:58:50SUSaiyanwhile its scanning i mightaswell put the bootloader on the right device
01:58:51linuxstbOh well...
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01:59:37Lars_Gwhat the
01:59:42Lars_GJdGordon: THE linus?
02:00:06JdGordon_our_ linus :D
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02:00:20Lars_GAh ok :D
02:00:34Lars_Glinuxstb: ... ipodpatche is windows based? or ANSI
02:00:44SUSaiyanlinuxstb: okay the new bootloader works
02:00:49SUSaiyanalso, nice colors :)
02:01:04*JdGordon bbs
02:01:07linuxstbLars_G: It's ANSI with both posix and win32 implementations of the low-level disk I/O.
02:01:10Lars_GNo it's universal.
02:01:26Lars_Gif ipodpatcher is on the main cvs I must have it already, let me check
02:01:34linuxstbIt's been tested on Linux, BSD, Mac OS X and Windows.
02:01:51linuxstbYes, it's in tools/ipodpatcher/
02:01:52SUSaiyanokay so it works now
02:02:00Soapquick question on the recording screen
02:02:04Soaptop bar is left?
02:02:05SUSaiyannow to get my hdd back in working order :/
02:02:23Lars_Glinuxstb: My cvs must be wrong, I have fwpatcher but not ipodpatcher, duh
02:02:24linuxstbSUSaiyan: OK, thanks. But that's worrying - it means every ipod user will need to update their bootloader. Maybe that should be mentioned somewhere...
02:02:43linuxstbLars_G: "cvs update -dP"
02:02:55linuxstb(the -d downloads new files)
02:03:12Lars_Glinuxstb: Man, thanks for whistanding me.
02:03:31Lars_Glinuxstb: Normally I DO tend to try and find out stuff for myself but I'm tired and it's late. thanks for the help.
02:04:10Lars_GMeh i think I'll edit my makefile. I'm not using doom and I don't want to spend cpu cycles compiling it
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02:05:24Lars_Glinuxstb: Will ipodpatcher work on an ipod already using rockbox?
02:09:13LloreanLars_G: It *should*
02:09:36Lars_GLlorean: I'm not sure, it's not recognizing the poor ipod
02:09:43preglowworked on mine
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02:10:26Lars_GOh, sigh I pray Me doesn't has to reflash the ipod
02:10:36Lars_GI mean on a non-linux machine
02:10:53LloreanI guarantee you don't need to re-flash it.
02:10:55linuxstbYou can make a backup of the current state with the "-r" option.
02:11:13Lars_Glinuxboy: Neine
02:11:40Lars_Gsudo ipodpatcher /dev/sda -r saved.bin
02:11:48linuxstbDo you need sudo?
02:11:50Lars_G[ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting
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02:11:59Lars_GWith or without sudo, the outcome is the same
02:12:13linuxstbTry ipodpatcher −−scan
02:12:25linuxstbSo is /dev/sda your ipod?
02:12:29Lars_Gyes it is
02:12:36SUSaiyanit better be
02:12:42SUSaiyanit wasnt in my case >.>
02:12:43Lars_G[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
02:12:43Lars_G[ERR] No ipods found.
02:12:45linuxstbThen you've probably modified it. Did you repartition?
02:12:47Lars_GSUSaiyan: in mine it is
02:13:02Lars_Glinuxstb: I think I have repartitioned it during the first install, yes...
02:13:05SUSaiyanof course ipodpatcher wouldnt do anything to it if its not an ipod
02:13:12Lars_Glinuxstb: Which means I need to go back to factory, doesn't it?
02:13:20*Lars_G sighs
02:13:24linuxstbOr comment out some checks in ipodpatcher...
02:13:48Lars_Glinuxstb: That I could but since it's repartitioned will ipodpatcher still be able to work with it?
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02:14:12Lars_G Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
02:14:12Lars_G/dev/sda1 1 35 68324 0 Empty
02:14:12Lars_G/dev/sda2 36 1023 1929564 b W95 FAT32
02:14:16Lars_Gthat's the table on my baby
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02:14:51linuxstbTry commenting out the "return -1" at line 197 of ipodpatcher.c That should be harmless if you know you're accessing the right disk.
02:15:04Lars_GNod I will
02:16:51Lars_Glinuxstb: Yep seems to work well: [INFO] Ipod model: 1st Generation Nano
02:17:08linuxstbThat's good. It means it recognises your firmware partition.
02:17:33Lars_GAnd the start sector and ammount of copied sectors seems congruent with the partition table
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02:18:29Lars_Grepaste the url of the newest nano bootloader please
02:18:57SUSaiyannice bootloader
02:19:18hachiLlorean: why did you post to that thread saying the same thing you did two days ago? I'm watching those threads for actual news, and so far half the posts have been about how to treat the thread
02:19:27hachithe 80gb ipod thread
02:19:29SUSaiyani wouldnt put that in my firmware partition though
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02:20:11Lars_G[INFO] Bootloader bootloader-ipodnano.ipod written to device.
02:20:23Lloreanhachi: I posted to it again, in place of a post that was exactly what my post says not to do.
02:20:30LloreanI erased a post to put mine up.
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02:20:46Lars_GOk now to unzip my last compile....
02:20:51LloreanI'll remove it in 24 hours, once I'm confident that the person whose post I removed has read it.
02:21:51hachiLlorean: is there a place to go to read the status of the 80gb one? because nobody has explained the current state... it just says 'not working'... which could mean that it starts my ipod on fire, or it locks up, or anything
02:22:12Lloreanhachi: It does not start.
02:22:15Lars_Gsigh my monitor is so covered in dropplets of saliva I need to clean it
02:22:17linuxstbhachi: Rockbox can't access the disk...
02:22:36linuxstbBut everything else seems to work (as far as can be tested without accessing the disk)
02:22:50hachieverything else being... the loader?
02:22:54linuxstbSo it just needs one breakthrough which may be 6 hours or 6 months away.
02:22:56Lars_GLlorean: So if I am right, once I finish my general config and audio config. i need to save it, then read it for it to be applied as default?
02:23:03Lloreaneverything else being "once the disk works, it should be as functional as all the other iPod ports"
02:23:46LloreanLars_G: I don't understand the question. There is no real "default", settings just persist.
02:24:05linuxstbLars_G: It's the default before you save it...
02:24:12hachibut rockbox depends on a loader as well, and I don't know the state of the loader either, where do you find that part out?
02:24:17Lars_Glinuxstb: So changes SHOULD persist?
02:24:27hachiI mean, I think it does... you can correct me of course
02:24:27Lars_GDah yes my wording was off sorry
02:24:32linuxstbhachi: The Rockbox bootloader is just a stripped-down version of Rockbox. So the status of both is the same.
02:24:43hachiahh, okay
02:24:43linuxstb(they share the same drivers)
02:24:48Lars_GAh the loader is based on the rockbox kernel?
02:25:01linuxstbIndeed. Why implement everything twice?
02:25:14Lars_Gyes that's smart but not always possible
02:25:44linuxstbThe smart thing is making it possible...
02:26:24Lars_Gis it me, or codepages have become fewer in the last cvs?
02:27:20hachifinal question, is it possible to get the forums to email me a copy of the post that was made, not just a message saying 'hey, check out the website', because I tend to read my email on a train... and it does me no good that way
02:27:25Lars_GI wonder if some hand-in-hand working on a metadata database format between rockbox and amarok would be benefical for both
02:28:07Lars_GI like the new bootloader background color
02:28:15hachior perhaps an unpaginated view of the topic?
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02:28:50linuxstbLars_G: Do you mean an application/plugin/something to convert between the two database formats?
02:28:50Lars_GSo in conclusion do I need to save and load the config for it to persist?
02:28:58Lloreanhachi: "paginated" is not a real word as far as I'm aware, so I'm not sure what you mean by it.
02:29:07linuxstbNo. All settings changes _should_ persist. If they don't it's a bug.
02:29:18Lars_Glinuxstb: I mean reach a reusable format that not only rockbox but many desktop audio players can easily work with.
02:29:28Lars_Glinuxstb: A semi std many can agree on.
02:29:34linuxstbOne thing to make sure is that you shut down cleanly - i.e. hold PLAY/PAUSE for a few seconds, don't just reset.
02:30:00Lloreanhachi: Okay, then no, there is no way to do what you've asked.
02:30:06Lloreanhachi: Though there are mobile versions of the page.
02:30:14Lars_GAre settings copied to the settings area at change time or at shutdown time?
02:30:29LloreanLars_G: Next disk spinup after they've been changed.
02:30:46Lars_GLlorean: My disk doesn't spins
02:30:53linuxstbYou have a Nano?
02:31:09LloreanLars_G: Yes, but when Rockbox next would spin up a disk, it's treated as if it actually did, or should be.
02:31:19LloreanBasically, next read or write.
02:31:39Lars_GLlorean: Ok so opening file for play for example should cause a "spin" and drop the config buffer into disk
02:31:41Lars_Gok. thanks
02:31:57JdGordonLars_G: it only saves if its been told it needs to be saved
02:31:59Lars_GI wonder if there is any theme that is attractive and usefull
02:32:18Lars_GJdGordon: told how. by the user, or system
02:33:25JdGordonby the system
02:35:15*JdGordon wonders why the config_block is used and not a proper binary file instead?
02:38:24linuxstbJdGordon: What do you mean? I thought you would know the reasons...
02:41:14JdGordonwhat? so the whole thing can be read/written in one shot?
02:42:11linuxstbYou're asking why the disk sector is used, and not a binary file?
02:42:44linuxstbMy understanding was that it's because of the caching and that no-one had written the ATA callback-on-spinup thing.
02:43:07linuxstbSo the sector was cached at the ATA level, not the filesystem level.
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02:44:25Digammais there anyone here who owns a Sansa e200
02:44:34DigammaHow do you go into recovery mode
02:46:00Digammathank you
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02:52:14dewdudeis it perfectly normal for my ipod to give me the white screen saying "please restore with itunes" once in a while?
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02:53:10LloreanJeeze, Sudoko and Solitaire on iPod are 25mb and 45mb respectively...
02:53:35Doomedthe ones you buy or the rockbox?
02:55:49LloreanThe ones you buy
02:55:53LloreanThe Rockbox ones are tiny, tiny.
02:56:06LloreanThe whole Rockbox download isn't even close to 25mb.
02:56:31Lars_GLlorean: horrible, sudoku should use a grid generator, not a file with preset grids
02:57:52LloreanPreset grids allow much more reliable difficulty control, at least
02:58:16linuxstbThe purists will say that hand-crafted grids are the best...
02:58:19Soapand the ability to play the same game as your friend.
02:58:52Doomedgood points
02:59:01Doomedbut i dont think it should be 25 mb lol
02:59:03Soappurists also say $2,000 power cables...
02:59:19linuxstbYes, and wooden volume knobs...
02:59:29Lars_GAnd markers for CDs
02:59:41Lars_GIf you know that one ;)
02:59:49Lars_Gyou get a star
03:00:13linuxstbBut yes, a sudoku game takes 81 bytes to store (if you're inefficient)...
03:00:23Lars_GWell it does say good things you don't know that one
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03:01:47HorizonXanyone in here familliar with raenye's dualboot loader for the X5?
03:02:27jhMikeS:) lemme butt in and say, if the srand in sudoku/generator function were able to always be seeded with the same value, you'd get the same game. right now it uses the current tick to seed it.
03:02:49*HorizonX blinks
03:03:05HorizonXyeah, that's how seeding works? =P
03:03:09*jhMikeS just had to check it out
03:03:27SUSaiyanlinuxstb: have you ever tried one of these restore applications? :)
03:03:31jhMikeSif you seed the rand with a given number, it generates the same pseudorandom sequence
03:03:37Lars_GThe CD marker is this, for a while in the horrid "Audiophile" magazine, a special marker was advertised, which you used to mark the external circunference of CDs, in theory it avoided laser refraction and dissipation, eliminating read errors.
03:03:50linuxstbSUSaiyan: Are you talking about your trashed disk?
03:03:55SUSaiyanyes :)
03:04:11linuxstbNo, luckily I've never had the need.
03:04:12Lars_GThat's because rands are not based on real randomness but on a mathematical formula.
03:04:15SUSaiyanit managed to find all my files ;)
03:04:33Lars_GThere ARE real random ics but I doubt makers will put one in a DAP
03:04:33SUSaiyanbut to restore, you need the full version :D
03:04:34HorizonXthose are the type of people that buy monster-branded speaker cablw
03:04:35SUSaiyani love that
03:04:42Lars_GHorizonX: exactly
03:04:44jhMikeSso if you could select a game number, you could play the same game :P
03:05:05linuxstbjhMikeS: I look forward to the patch :)
03:05:22SUSaiyanokay anyway, im going to sleep now, cant save the recovered files untill thursday anyway
03:05:23Lars_GWell see you all. it's nice to know the channel is not made entirely of pedants :)
03:05:24*Lars_G bows
03:05:25Lars_Gbe well
03:05:49Lars_GI wonder if it'd be mad to add reiserFS to rockbox, lol
03:05:56Lars_Gpossibly, since the OF will never read it
03:06:00linuxstbFeel free...
03:06:04linuxstbWhy run the OF?
03:06:17Doomedan option
03:06:20Lars_Glinuxstb: I have reasons to. for example currently rockbox lacks good m4b support
03:06:27Lars_GSee you latter
03:06:30HorizonXwhat player are you guys talking about?
03:06:40Doomedipod i assumr
03:06:44Lars_GI'd like to add m4b support but that's a latter, bigger patch let me begin with the metronome
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03:07:13*Llorean thought M4Bs were primarily just M4As marked to be known as audiobooks.
03:07:26*HorizonX thought that too
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03:08:28DoomedIf you name your file m4b then your AAC file will be "bookmarkable" and have chapter
03:08:55jhMikeSlinuxstb: it seems like an easy do but my head is in the playback code like quicksand :)
03:09:17linuxstbjhMikeS: And Rockbox needs you to stay there :)
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03:10:27jhMikeSlinuxstb: why? so I don't bother anyone else? :P You know I like getting my hands in everone's pie.
03:11:01linuxstb:) I mean the playback code can always do with improving...
03:11:23*linuxstb realises it's 2.11am and goes to bed
03:11:59*jhMikeS usually realizes it's 2.11am and has lunch :)
03:13:20*JdGordon realises in fact it is 1.13pm and thinks your all nuts :p
03:14:29*Soap just made his first recording on his iPod.
03:14:45SoapI'm very excited.
03:14:58Soapbut have lots of reading to do.
03:15:55Soapline-out from one ipod into line-in on another sounds pretty good.
03:17:54JdGordonmy ~/rockbox folder is 435bm!
03:18:08JdGordon435mb even
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06:37:28dixon_sxealguien me puede ayudar a instalar en mi ipod rockbox o linux?
06:38:24TheCollectorHabla ingles?
06:39:35dixon_sxesomeone that help me to install ipod linux o rockbox?
06:39:45TheCollectorI probably can
06:39:58TheCollectorwhat kind of ipod?
06:40:05dixon_sxei have a ipod video 3g
06:40:14dixon_sxesorry 30 gb
06:40:41dixon_sxecan you help me?
06:41:06TheCollectorI think so
06:41:22dixon_sxehave you msn?
06:43:17TheCollectorhave you seen that?
06:44:21TheCollectorwhat are you having trouble with?
06:46:45dixon_sxewhen i down the programs
06:47:09dixon_sxeand when i programing in cmd
06:48:09TheCollectorusing ipodpatcher?
06:49:06dixon_sxewell when i run the ipod
06:49:12dixon_sxedon't chek nothing
06:49:39TheCollectorI don't understand
06:49:47TheCollectorhave you installed the bootloader?
06:50:56dixon_sxewhat programs i down?
06:51:04TheCollectorfor linux, correct?
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06:52:11dixon_sxei down this program
06:52:39TheCollectorand download this bootloader:
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06:54:02dixon_sxewhat will i do with
06:54:15TheCollectoryou'll run it in a second
06:55:17TheCollectordixon_sxe: is your ipod drive mounted?
06:56:06dixon_sxeis a
06:56:40dixon_sxebut i have a computer windows no mac
06:56:56TheCollectoroh - I thought you ran linux
06:57:38dixon_sxei install linxu
06:57:54TheCollectorrockbox is not linux
06:58:20TheCollectoripodlinux is a different project
06:58:57dixon_sxewell i want the ipod linux
06:59:31TheCollectoryou need to look here if you want it:
06:59:46TheCollectorI do not know how to install ipodlinux
06:59:59dixon_sxewell i saw that
07:00:39LloreanThis is not the iPodLinux channel, so it's the wrong place to ask for help with it anyway.
07:00:51TheCollectoruse #ipodlinux
07:03:32TheCollectoryou're welcome
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07:53:40*myzar licks scorche wouldnt be licking me if you knew what i was slacking on doing...
07:58:23JdGordonscorche: you have the powaa!! ban he mofo
07:58:26myzaror heads will roll
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07:58:39scorchei dont have one
07:58:52myzarwell, uhh.
07:59:03myzari still less than 3 you
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08:08:15scorcheand why would i ban myzar?...i get licks!
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08:25:39lexnothing more
08:25:48lexor grub.conf, depends on your distribution
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09:18:39scorchemahna mahna
09:19:04peturdo doooo do do do
09:19:35webguest20I don't know whether this has been discussed before so forgive my ignoranceif it has. With the new (well, not so new anymore) action code in place, we could easily implement a "key reference" feature.
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09:20:08webguest20I mean: press a special key and a list of all possible keys with their meaning would be displayed.
09:20:34scorchethe only way that would be implemented would be in a plugin
09:20:47webguest20To do that, we should add a short description for every action.
09:20:48scorchebut honestly, i would rather people just read the manual
09:21:08scorcheit isnt *that* tough/complex
09:21:50webguest20scorche: I know the keys in the screens I use often. But e.g. in the screen where I type file name I feel unsure.
09:21:59petura kepmap help plugin isn't such a bad idea
09:22:25scorchethe text editor?
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09:26:26webguest20scorche: no, I mean e.g. the case when I save the settings and have to type in the file name
09:26:46scorcheyeah...the text editor/virtual keyboard
09:27:21peturwebguest20: create a feature request in the tracker (if there's not onle like that already). I'm all for it.
09:27:23webguest20scorche: ah... I thouth this is the line editor and that there's a separate text editor plugin
09:28:06webguest20 petur: I also don't know if one exists. That's why I asked about an earlier discussion
09:28:10scorchealso, some people are looking at making a type of reader plugin that would also allow us to put the whole manual on the device if wished
09:28:21scorchewebguest20: there is a search function
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09:28:34amiconnscorche: The text viewer already exists
09:28:59peturscorche: a full manual is a bit overkill, a quick help would be nice
09:29:02scorcheamiconn: i was referring to the one that could parse pdfs/html
09:29:16amiconnhahaaa, pdf
09:29:27scorchepetur: i know...just saying...although, i agree with a quick help guide, and that has been mentioned before
09:29:34GodEater_Webdo iPod ATA devices normally report themselves as removeable media ?
09:29:38webguest20scorche: port ghostscript to RB?
09:29:39*scorche winks at amiconn
09:29:45amiconnThat will be a real challenge for the reader... the screen is way too small for pdf
09:30:07GodEater_Websorry - ignore that - counted wrong
09:30:32scorchepdf > html > device possibly...i never got into the discussions of that plugin though
09:31:09webguest20I searched for "key map" and found two entries. But they are not about a key map. So I'll probably file a feature request, later.
09:31:43amiconnGodEater_Web: Here's my commented version:">
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09:38:33GodEater_Webamiconn : thanks :)
09:39:26amiconnWord 2 (specific configuration) is less special than one might think
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09:39:35GodEater_Webyou've no comment against 59
09:39:53amiconnThe MK2006GAL (iaudio X5) gives the same value
09:40:06GodEater_Weband multiple sectors work on that I assume ?
09:41:12amiconnword 59 == 0 is normal before set_features sets the corrent number of multisectors
09:41:21linuxstbWould an ata_identify dump from my MK6006GAH be helpful? (60GB ipod Color)
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09:41:42amiconnAt least it can't hurt.
09:41:49GodEater_Webyeah - I'd be interested to see that
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09:42:11linuxstbOK, I'll do it now.
09:42:12*amiconn dumped the config of his MK2006GAL (probably same firmware as the MK6006GAH - same generation)
09:42:38lachlani think it would be great if there was a version of the manual viewable on the player
09:42:47linuxstbWhen in the process should I do it?
09:43:05Bagderlachlan: feel free to work on that
09:43:13GodEater_Websame point I did it
09:43:27lachlanstating my opinion doesnt equate to me volunteering to make one
09:43:28GodEater_Webactually it doesn't matter
09:43:35amiconnA dump from a 30GB G5.5 would be interesting as well
09:43:41GodEater_Webit just has to be done after the identify() call
09:43:54linuxstbSo I should do it in ata.c ?
09:44:08GodEater_Webalthough, if you're feeling generous
09:44:15GodEater_Webyou could do me two :)
09:44:26GodEater_Webone before set_features() and set_multiple_mode()
09:44:34linuxstbCan you send me a patch? I'm a bit busy...
09:44:37GodEater_Weband one after - but you'd have to call identify() again after those two
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09:44:58GodEater_Webgimme a mo
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09:46:30amiconnGodEater_Web: You could try to take another identify dump after set_features() and check whether any of the features actually get set
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09:47:02GodEater_WebI tried that yesterday - but I only checked the odd word here and there - I'll roll my sleeves up and do a full one again today
09:48:23GodEater_Weblinuxstb: re: patch - I'm probably the wrong person to ask for that: a) I can't do a nice one against the CVS tree from work, b) I've not got around to writing any routines to write the thing to disk since I can't - so my patch will just have lots of lcd_puts() in it
09:49:14linuxstbGodEater_Web: OK, no problem. Just to confirm, I should dump the ata_identify before and after the call to set_features() ?
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09:50:29*linuxstb notices some nasty ^M characters around the new BIGLBA code
09:51:40LinusNi think BIGLBA should be LBA48
09:52:01Bagderwe can tell Jörg's been out of the loop for too long ;-)
09:52:23LinusNlet's revoke his cvs access :-)
09:52:32LinusNthat'll teach him
09:52:34GodEater_Weblinuxstb: after the call to set_multiple_mode() would be the best
09:53:06*linuxstb removed CR characters from ata.c
09:54:57LinusNi think we should rename biglba to lba48
09:55:16LinusNsince that is the common term for it
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10:03:14markunBagder: I thought I had merged the gigabeat code to the rockbox cvs to be committed, but the resulting bootloader left my gigabeat unusable.
10:03:23markunwill have to open my player to recover
10:04:07markunWhen I find the problem I will commit and you can add the gigabeat to the build table
10:05:04markunCould the bootloader also be on the download page or do you think we should put a working one in a wiki page?
10:05:04*myzar waves at Bagder
10:05:17myzarhey linuxboy ;]
10:05:33myzarer, linuxstb ;p
10:05:43linuxboymyzar: hey
10:05:54Bagdermarkun: we have all the other bootloaders on the download site
10:06:04markunmyzar: why were you banned from other channels?
10:06:12Bagderto avoid the risk of someone editing the bootloader file in wiki
10:06:18peturmarkun: can't guess?
10:06:29markunI can, that's why I was asking :)
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10:07:45markunBagder: can't find them. Which page are they on?
10:10:21linuxstbBagder: What do you think about including the mi4 decryption in the bootloader and/or rolo?
10:13:53linuxstbBagder: I've also updated the ipod bootloaders to include yesterday's crt0-pp.S commit -
10:14:00*linuxstb suspects Bagder isn't here...
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10:15:35GodEater_Webthe only difference I've seen so far is in word 128 :(
10:15:46GodEater_Webwhich starts with a value of 0
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10:15:53GodEater_Weband then becomes 9 after set_features()
10:18:19myzari don't know, markun
10:18:23myzari think XBMC is gone back to efnet
10:18:31myzarand as for ##C++, i think they banned me for my BNC
10:18:40myzarand how it changes my name to myzar|away when i'm away
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10:18:58myzaror not... it's still there
10:19:30myzari guess i'm just hated ;\
10:19:40markunyes, probably
10:19:58markunWhat's BNC?
10:20:36Bagderlinuxstb: yes, I would prefer the decryption being made by us and not premade with mi4code
10:20:52GodEater_WebBNC is an irc proxy
10:21:04LinusNGodEater_Web: that is the result of the freeze_lock()
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10:23:50GodEater_Webwell the important one, which would seem to be 88, seems unchanged
10:24:12GodEater_Webit still seems to say that UDMA4 is selected
10:24:49LinusNhmmm, set_features() doesn't seem to do the right thing
10:26:00GodEater_Webwe do attempt to do three things in there right ? Power saving, acoustice managements, and PIO mode?
10:26:15LinusNthis is not right: if (identify_info[features[i].id_word] & (1 << features[i].id_bit))
10:26:23GodEater_Webno ?
10:26:34LinusNit is always false
10:26:49GodEater_Webit doesn't return false for the PIO command
10:26:51GodEater_WebI checked
10:27:00GodEater_Webit does for the first two though
10:27:47GodEater_Webat least, it doesn't appear to - although I confess I'm not sure quite what it's doing. "<<" is a bitshift isn't it ?
10:27:51LinusNah, ignore me
10:28:06LinusNme silly
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10:30:38markungotthardt from #gigabeat noticed CONFIG_CHARGING was misspelled as "CONFIG_CHARING" in firmware/powermgmt.c
10:31:05*[IDC]Dragon feels guilty about ata.c
10:31:27LinusNGodEater_Web: what does word 64 say?
10:32:37[IDC]Dragonwhat was wrong, is there anything different with cvs about CR chars?
10:32:52[IDC]DragonI've been using msdev as always
10:33:44LinusNGodEater_Web: and word 53?
10:33:55linuxstb[IDC]Dragon: The lines you had changed had CR/LF line-endings, but the rest of the file (and all other files in Rockbox CVS) have a LF line-ending.
10:34:13LinusNGodEater_Web: ok
10:34:19GodEater_Webdoes msdev even support saving with only LF ?
10:34:42[IDC]Dragonis that "new"? (as in, less than 2 years)
10:35:01linuxstbWhat CVS client do you use? Cygwin?
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10:35:42[IDC]DragonI use the same toolchain since ages, so I wonder
10:36:09webguest99As webguest-20 disappeared, I've stepped in and added the feature request about the key map (plugin?).
10:36:21peturtortoise is not to blame, your editor probably is...
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10:38:50[IDC]Dragonmsdev can work with LF only, and leaves it intact. However, I'm not sure about newly inserted lines
10:39:39peturmsdev can't handle lf only
10:39:51peturat least it can't here
10:40:02[IDC]DragonI use VC6 at home iirc
10:40:59GodEater_Webwhat's the difference between the three PIO settings you can select with SET FEATURES ?
10:41:10LinusNthe timing
10:41:36LinusNand handshake with IORDY
10:42:16LinusNwe need to find out if SET FEATURES works at all
10:42:30GodEater_Webopen to suggestions for things to try :)
10:42:57[IDC]DragonI'll change biglba to lba48 tonight, per request ;-)
10:43:25[IDC]Dragonin our case, it's rather lba32 though...
10:45:02LinusNGodEater_Web: try this: disable the code that updates the PIO mode in the table
10:45:21LinusN[IDC]Dragon: not protocol wise
10:45:29[IDC]Dragoni know
10:45:36GodEater_WebLinusN: you mean in set_features() ?
10:46:01GodEater_Weband then what ?
10:46:03[IDC]Dragonbut we don't want longlongs in the file code now, do we?
10:46:32LinusNit's fine as it is
10:46:56LinusNGodEater_Web: then we will select the default PIO mode instead of a specific one
10:46:56[IDC]Dragon2 terabyte to wait for
10:47:40[IDC]Dragonrockbox 64 bit enterprise edition :-)
10:47:41GodEater_Webah - so just leave it commented, and do nothing else ?
10:49:08LinusNexactly, this line should be commented:
10:49:09LinusN features[3].parameter = 8 + pio_mode;
10:51:25GodEater_Webright - well that still doesn't work with CMD_READ_SECTORS, I'm putting CMD_READ_MULTIPLE back
10:51:59LinusNi'm more interested in what the identofy info says
10:52:18GodEater_Webyou want the whole lot again ?
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10:53:54LinusNonly the info about the current transfer mode
10:55:04GodEater_Web88 again ?
10:56:00LinusNand 63
10:57:47GodEater_Web63 is 0x7, 88 is 0x101F
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11:01:30GodEater_Webthat's completely unchanged
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11:04:33LinusNthe IDNF bit is still set, right?
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11:05:35GodEater_Webdidn't check
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11:07:03LinusNas far as i can see, dma can still be selected without any problems
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11:09:07LinusNwhich command? read_sectors?
11:09:19GodEater_Weboh sorry
11:09:26GodEater_Webread multiple
11:09:51GodEater_Webbut in ata_read_sectors()
11:13:50LinusNstatus=0x50 and error=0x01 doesn't look like an error to me
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11:14:26GodEater_Webyeah - I just realised I put the output in the wrong place - sorry :(
11:14:31GodEater_Webbear with me
11:14:40GodEater_WebI left it after the mutex_unlock()
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11:15:54GodEater_Webthat's right after the status read in read_sectors()
11:16:13LinusNok, i'd like you to use READ_SECTORS instead
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11:17:01GodEater_Websame result
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11:21:43s4mur4j3nhum, anybody feeling like trying to help a boor bastard? just tried to install rockbox and now my Ipod nano can't get passed the apple logo during booting.. :/
11:22:01s4mur4j3n(1st gen, CVS Build was used)
11:24:15s4mur4j3nthe only thing it responds to is holding down Menu Select and such reboot it.. but it still doesn't go any further then showing the apple logo
11:24:46GodEater_Webs4mur4j3n: which install method did you use ?
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11:25:26s4mur4j3nthe old ipodpatcher+ipod_fw, as a video as the manual described it
11:25:44s4mur4j3nthat specific one
11:25:58s4mur4j3n(should have the 1.3 fw for my ipod nano
11:27:11GodEater_Web <−− try that one
11:27:53s4mur4j3nif the damn thing would ever boot anything I´d love to, but its stuck at showing the apple logo :/
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11:28:44s4mur4j3nand when I reboot it, it stops at the same stage as before.. showing the apple logo
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11:29:20Bagders4mur4j3n: restart with the instructions in the URL mentioned above
11:29:29linuxstbs4mur4j3n: Force it into disk mode by holding SELECT+PLAY as it's booting.
11:30:05linuxstbBagder: Did you see my updated set of ipod bootloaders?
11:30:07s4mur4j3noh, THANK YOU! :D
11:30:13diemosanyone know if rockbox is out for Zune?
11:30:42Bagderdiemos: it isn't, no one even works on that
11:31:07s4mur4j3n is it the same as the bootloaders there?
11:31:14diemosBagder, that's too bad, I'd really like to see it.
11:31:31Bagderdiemos: then join in and make it happen!
11:32:13Bagderlinuxstb: done!
11:32:13diemosHa, the most i've done was some crappy bash scripting.
11:32:15linuxstbs4mur4j3n: I don't understand your question. You just follow the instructions on that page, downloading the files it tells you to.
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11:32:27linuxstbBagder: Thankyou.
11:32:46s4mur4j3nlinuxstb: the question was as following, the link you gave me with a set of bootloaders, is it the same as the ones found on ?
11:32:49diemoslinuxstb, i really do wish i could program, but alas I can't.
11:33:27linuxstbs4mur4j3n: I didn't give you that link, I gave it to Bagder so he could update the files linked to from the IpodInstallationBeta page. So yes, they are now the same files.
11:33:59s4mur4j3nsorry, haven't had any breakfast yet =P my brain ain't working as it should =)
11:34:14linuxstbno problem.
11:34:23linuxstbGive your brain some coffee.
11:34:36GodEater_Webtalking of breakfast - it's long past time I made the Seattle based world domination organisation a bit richer
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11:49:04diemosif only i knew how to code...
11:49:07diemos /sigh
11:49:20*diemos goes and buys a C book.
11:51:45peturcoding is only part of it
11:53:56linuxstbFor a Zune port, you'll need to find out what encryption and other forms of hacking protection MS are no doubt using, and find ways around them.
11:57:50diemosencryption for what? you know MS+Encryption is a really good combination
11:57:59GodEater_Weband if it's anything like the job they've done on the Xbox360, it's bloody near impossible to get through
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11:58:28diemosactually the zune developers are fairly open with the product
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11:58:59LinusNafaik, zune is little more than a branded gigabeat
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11:59:48diemoswell they've already got a number of small hacks out
12:00:20webguest17what's this? did i miss any information concerning the rockbox gigabeat ports?
12:00:56diemosRecognize it as a removable drive, upgrade storage space, free song transfers from person to person
12:01:25diemosI'm just hoping that with Zune's cool wifi feature that you can eventually be able to surf with it.
12:01:50diemosOr.. throw linux on it and be able to set it up as a little wifi FTP or something like that
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12:05:22diemosbut IMO, gigabeat has more features that i'd like to see in the Zune.
12:07:17webguest17I'm sorry, but can someone tell me if any recent gigabeat port progress news came up tonight?
12:08:47webguest17scorche: thank you
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12:22:49paloemaquick question, probably been asked a thousand times...wanna test rockbox for my ipod 5g, can i change back to normal ipod-control when i want to?
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12:25:25diemosyou mean, install rockbox, test it out, and if you don't like it go back to regular iPod firmware?
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12:26:41Slasheripaloema: yes, you can
12:27:03Slasherijust reboot the ipod and turn on hold switch
12:27:11Slasherior with an older bootloader, hold down the play button
12:27:32paloemais it that easy?
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12:27:43Slasherithen it boots the apple os
12:27:57paloemabut by default it still loads rockbox then?
12:28:14Slashericorrect, but only if you have resetted your ipod
12:28:27Slasherinormally apple os never turns off the player
12:28:39Slasheriunless it has been left long time unused
12:28:58paloemaand can i completely remove rockbox too?
12:29:42paloemaanother question: sleep timer is integrated in rockbox?
12:30:11Slashericorrect, after the specified idle time, rockbox shuts off
12:30:12paloemaso i could turn on music and ipod is going to sleep after e.g. 60 minutes?
12:30:33Slasherihmm, i think that feature is implemented too..
12:30:36Slasheribut i have never used it
12:30:43paloemahm...idle time...if i hear an audiobook that is 10 hours
12:30:46diemospaloma: Rockbox > regular firmware, and i've known about it all of one hour
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12:31:20paloemaand i want to hear only one does that work?
12:31:46paloemadiemos: what do you mean? sorry, dont understnd
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12:32:45GodEater_Webhas someone deleted the old 5.5G thread from the forums ? Or has it been moved ?
12:34:06paloemadoes someone know if sleep timer is working as i want it? or does it only work with after idling?
12:36:26paloemacause thats for me main reason to switch
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12:37:20GodEater_Webif that's the only reason I wouldn't bother
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12:37:39PaulJamon h300 you have a sleep timer that can be set in 5 minute steps to up to 5 hours. and since this feature is not hardware dependant i guess it is available on the other players too.
12:38:28paloemaPaulJam: yeah. read that on manual too. but i am kind of confused if it stops then while playing or only after playing stopped
12:38:42paloemabut second case wouldn't make too much sense i guess
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12:39:46PaulJamthe sleeptiner (shutdown after x minutes) and the idle shutoff (schit down after x minutes of inactivity) are separate options.
12:41:18paloemathats i wanted to know
12:41:30paloemathanks PaulJam
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12:42:30paloemalast question: is there a way to start original firmware by default and only start rockbox on demand?
12:42:40amiconnhi [IDC]Dragon :)
12:43:13amiconnLinusN: Maybe it's target dependent, but set_features() seems to work on at least some targets
12:43:38amiconnRemember, adding the PIO setting solved problems with certain HDs on archos
12:43:59PaulJampaloema: i think there exists an unofficial bootloader that starts the original firmware by default. and afaik this is possible whith the loader2 from ipodlinux too.
12:44:38amiconn[IDC]Dragon: 3.5" HDDs aren't that far away from breaking the 2TB barrier
12:44:50PaulJam(but those soulutions are not officially supported by rockbox)
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12:48:38paloemahave to test later then...
12:49:16linuxstbGodEater_Web: I locked the old 5.5g thread, but it was still visible after I did that. But I can't find it now either...
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12:51:19GodEater_Weblinuxstb: bugger - there was still some useful info in there
12:51:33[IDC]Dragonhi Jens!
12:52:42linuxstbGodEater_Web: Hopefully someone can revive it...
12:52:52[IDC]DragonI'd like a 2TB disk, indeed
12:52:57linuxstb(I don't have those kinds of rights on the forums)
12:53:33[IDC]Dragonno Rockbox-able devices with 3.5", afaik
12:54:59GodEater_Webfingers crossed
12:55:04[IDC]DragonBTW, the ata driver carries some duplicate code, for read and write
12:55:22amiconnTake an archos board, a 2.5"->3.5" adapter, and a custom case...
12:55:40[IDC]DragonI could clean that up, if we allow one more function call depth on stack
12:56:03amiconnBtw, you can change the contents of the secondary partition from within rockbox itself
12:56:29[IDC]Dragonyes, sure, it's not read only
12:56:36amiconnThere is cut/copy/paste, which should also work with folders
12:57:06amiconnThe LBA48 extension is less code than I expected...
12:57:37amiconnThe only thing you need a PC for is creating the partitions
12:57:47amiconn(unless someone creates an fdisk plugin)
12:58:48linuxstbCreating the partition should be trivial IIUC. It's the formatting to FAT32 which is a little more work.
12:58:58[IDC]Dragonrockbox can cut/copy/paste ?
12:59:11amiconnCheck the context menu...
12:59:28[IDC]Dragonlast thing I was aware of is delete
12:59:41*[IDC]Dragon has no box at hand
13:00:02GodEater_Weblinuxstb: the start / size figures reported by ipodpatcher are in decimal yes ?
13:00:06[IDC]Dragonwill that work across partitions?
13:00:14amiconnYes it should
13:00:19amiconnOn Ondio it does
13:00:31amiconnSo one can update Rockbox on Ondio without a PC
13:00:33[IDC]Dragongreat, so we need no norton commander plugin
13:01:04amiconnJust put the Update on an MMC, take it to the Ondio, and copy it to the internal flash
13:01:23[IDC]Dragoncan it unzip? ;-)
13:01:42amiconnBut an unzip plugin shouldn't be too difficult
13:02:53[IDC]Dragonso we could really need an fdisk+format plugin, then you don't have to take the disk out
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13:03:55[IDC]Dragonand copy 23 GB with Rockbox internal cut+paste...
13:04:17amiconnI don't think that taking out the disk is a problem, since you have can do it before installing the disk.
13:04:47amiconnBut the more interesting part is that you wouldn't need a 2.5"->3.5" adapter
13:05:27amiconnCopying might take a while, but I don't think this is a problem
13:05:44[IDC]Dragondepends on the power supply
13:05:50amiconnHooking up the unit to the charger might be a good idea though
13:06:47[IDC]Dragonand to a good one, the stock charger may be too weak for sustained disk activity
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13:09:37amiconnWith fully charged batteries and today's NiMH capacities, I wouldn't expect problems
13:09:59*amiconn uses 2700mAh cells in his recorder and player
13:10:31[IDC]Dragonit's not a matter of batteries, on the long run the charger has to supply all the power for the disk
13:11:31amiconnThe charger won't supply more than 350mA
13:12:12amiconnIt just slows down discharge when the disk is constantly running, but today's NiMH cells are good for several hours of disk activity
13:12:39*amiconn would expect 6..7 hours from his cells without using the charger
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13:14:11amiconnMhm, maybe somewhat less, as the current draw depends on whether the disk is just spinning or actually accessing data
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13:14:52amiconnMy old video runtime test with the disk constantly spinning got 4 hours out of the stock batteries
13:15:27Slasheriwith disk accessing data, the powerconsumption is times larger
13:15:37Slasheriover 500 mA on iriver
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13:17:49*[IDC]Dragon wonders about these lines in ata.c:
13:18:01[IDC]Dragon if ( count == 256 )
13:18:09[IDC]Dragon SET_REG(ATA_NSECTOR, 0); /* 0 means 256 sectors */
13:18:16[IDC]Dragon else
13:18:19amiconnYes, I wondered the same yesterday
13:18:25[IDC]Dragon SET_REG(ATA_NSECTOR, (unsigned char)count);
13:18:39[IDC]Dragonthe last one should do it all
13:18:52amiconnANDing with 0xff removes the need to check for 256
13:19:04[IDC]Dragonthe cast alone should do it
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13:19:16amiconn(and casting to (unsigned char) should do that)
13:19:22[IDC]Dragonor could some C obscurity spoil it?
13:19:42Slasheriit would be better to do the ANDing for readability
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13:20:45amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I'm not sure whether we can always trust the cast
13:21:09[IDC]Dragonok, let's AND it
13:21:14amiconnOn archos it should work even without the cast, as ATA_NSECTOR is defined as *(volatile unsigned char*)
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13:21:27amiconn...but that wouldn't work on the coldfire targets
13:21:36[IDC]Dragona smart compiler would eliminate that, I hope
13:22:16amiconnIn such cases I usually check what gcc actually produces
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13:25:40LTjakeHello all. When i go to the "Write .cfg file" menu, if i press play to save the file, nothing seems to happen. Anyone else experience that?
13:26:57peturyou mean no file gets written?
13:27:45LTjakewell, yes, but it doesn't even return me to the menu again. it just sits there. (doesn't freeze, the button just doesn't seem to do anything)
13:28:07LTjakeurr "well, yes" meaning, no the file isn't written :)
13:28:51peturstrange... just checked here and I get the 'Settings Saved' splash
13:29:09peturwhat device?
13:29:40LTjakeipod mini 1g
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13:29:57LTjakeusing rockbox nightly from 12/15 (w/ cpu freq patch)
13:30:18peturhmmm don't know the keymapping of ipods
13:30:24amiconnThat's a build before the vkeyboard button change
13:30:41amiconnThen you need to accept with LongSelect
13:30:58theprodukkthey, wouldnt a rss feed for the cvs changes be a nice feature?
13:31:16LTjakeamiconn: ah-ha! that did it.
13:31:33amiconnIf you update to current build, then it's Play
13:31:35LTjakeamiconn: holding the middle button for just over 1 second seemed to save things.
13:31:43LTjakeokay. thanks!
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13:33:13LTjakethere's a new build on, so i'll give that a whirl.
13:34:33Nico_PJdGordon: have you seen my latest patch (v3) ?
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13:35:30JdGordonNico_P: yeah, having trouble connecting my h300 to the comp, so i havnt tried it yet
13:35:33JdGordonbut it looks good
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13:36:42Nico_PJdGordon: have you made any progress on yours ?
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13:37:21JdGordoni got windows installed, so been playgin games instead
13:38:05peturwhat's the connection?
13:39:04JdGordonwell, linux is shit for games...
13:39:47XavierGrI disagree
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13:40:01XavierGrI've found some crazy free games on linux
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14:30:15barrywardelllinuxstb: what do you think about the nano recording? could it be like the color/4g and need a gpio bit enabled?
14:32:43barrywardellBagder: now that we have support for dual booting on the Sansa, do you think we should have a bootloader for download like with the H10?
14:33:16barrywardellor is the one on the build table OK?
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14:37:42amiconnbarrywardell: The cvs auto-built bootloaders aren't available for download
14:38:28barrywardellah yes. got mixed up there for a second
14:38:45amiconnThis is a safety feature, preventing users from downloading potentially non-working bootloaders
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14:39:58amiconniPod and X5 are relatively brick-proof even when installing resp. flashing a non-working bootloader, but on other targets a non-working bootloader can be dangerous
14:40:28amiconn...namely iriver H1x0 and H300
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14:42:26barrywardellnon-working on Sansa is relatively safe, although I have heard of at least one case of bricking
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15:07:29GnelikGrr can't find
15:07:52hcsit's dead simple with google
15:08:13GnelikNo result
15:08:30GnelikI have thought that google cut's results
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15:09:14hcsfor one thing, it is
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15:20:08JagMandoes anyone have some dencrypted firmware for the h10 20gig so i can use it in the double bootloader
15:20:56JagManbarrywardell: are you there?
15:21:11barrywardellyes, i'm here
15:21:39JagMani have a quick question a bout your progress on the h10 buld
15:21:54barrywardellask away?
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15:23:19Bagderbarrywardell: I think we should provide a sansa bootloader for download
15:23:20JagManhow hard was it to get the firmware going and when is the radio projected to comealong
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15:23:48barrywardellBagder: agreed. I'll email you my one that definitely works
15:24:54barrywardellJagMan: a lot of the work was done already for the iPods, so it was probably easier than most ports
15:25:22barrywardellradio shouldn't be all that difficult
15:26:08barrywardellprobably a bit easier now that i've done stuff with recording
15:26:19JagManthree more and i am done 1. how hard would it be to get rockboy going
15:26:25barrywardelli can't predict how long it will be
15:27:00JagMan2. what h10 do ya have 5(mtp/ums)/6/20 gb
15:27:20barrywardell1. the problem with rockboy is just the screen size. the H10 lcd is smaller than the gameboy's so we need to either scale it down, or cut off a few pixels from the top and bottom
15:27:27barrywardell2. 20GB MTP
15:27:57JagMan3. and do ya have a dencrypted version of the 20 gigsfirmware so i can finaly use your gloryus dual boot loaderr
15:28:08JagManevil mac ibook
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15:28:57JagManhard to type with it
15:29:39barrywardellJagMan: check your pm
15:29:58JagMani cant it closed on me
15:30:26JagManit wont let me speek
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15:31:31JagMani have no problem telling you out here but is it ok to
15:32:24barrywardellok, give me your email address, but be warned that this channel is logged so your address will be on the rockbox site.
15:32:46JagManfine with me... i just be in rockboxes history
15:34:03JagManand if it would help during x-mas i hope to get a500 gig hard drive that i can use to host dencrypted firmare versions so people can be lazy
15:37:16barrywardellhopefully we will eventually just be able to use encrypted firmwares
15:37:58Bagderit'd be nicer to use the originals unmodified
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15:39:11dan_aIt will make upgrading to a newer OF easier as well
15:39:28JagManbut for the time being
15:39:48Bagderand it is "just" a matter of storing the key and adding TEA decryption code
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15:39:56JagManunless thats gona happen in thenext few days
15:39:57*dan_a spots a cheap 6Gb H10 on eBay
15:40:25barrywardellBagder: bootloader sent
15:40:32Bagdergot it
15:41:36barrywardelldan_a: oooh
15:42:54dan_aIn fact, there's quite a few. That makes me suspicious.
15:42:58JagManbarrywardell: send it i have to move
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15:46:17ctaylorrhi. I was wondering if I could get write access to the wiki. I noticed that the keybindings for the simulator are a bit out of date, and wouldn't mind updating the list (to at least include x5 bindings).
15:46:36LinusNwhat is your wikiname?
15:46:50Bagderbarrywardell: it is now present in
15:47:23barrywardellgreat, thanks
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15:47:49LinusNctaylorr: done
15:48:00ctaylorrLinusN : Thanks.
15:48:09LinusNthank you for contributing
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15:49:27ctaylorrhow could one not. rockbox is great.
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16:01:09technoboy_any sansa e200 developers here?
16:02:56Bagderjust ask and see if anyone can answer
16:03:59technoboy_i'd like to know what the progress is with getting the sound going
16:04:07technoboy_on the e200
16:04:17Bagderprogress is announced when achieved
16:04:28Bagderits not like anyone is holding such things secret
16:04:48technoboy_well i'm thinking of doing some work on it
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16:05:08technoboy_so reverse engineering ppl have been doing would be great info for me
16:06:28redondos[Stupid question alert] How can I go back to the WPS when I've switched to the File browser? (ipod nano)
16:06:53redondosI am really trying here... but nothing seems to work.
16:07:18GodEater_Webis any music actually playing ?
16:07:35GodEater_Weband have you read the manual ?
16:07:38redondosI know thw WPS doesn't exist when music is nto playing.
16:07:48redondosYes. I have and I am right now.
16:08:32redondos"play" does the trick.
16:08:45redondosSee, I alerted about the stupidity of my question.
16:08:49lowlightplay goes to the while "playing" screen
16:09:11dan_atechnoboy_: The guy doing the reverse engineering says that he thinks that the codec is an AS3515 - but we haven't got hold of a datasheet for it yet.
16:09:18redondosYes, thank you very much lowlight.
16:10:09dan_atechnoboy_: A lot of the reverse engineering info can be found at
16:10:22technoboy_thanks i'll check that out
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16:11:42PaulJamlowlight: but some people expect play to "play" the selected file, so it is not _that_ logical. it took me a while to get used to this behaviour of rockbox.
16:12:19GodEater_Web <−− needs updating with info on the 30GB 5.5G
16:16:51lowlightPaulJam: I suppose...either way it would take you to the wps
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16:33:13dan_abarrywardell: I've had a look at FS #6455, and I think it would probably be a good idea if all the register #defines were relative to the base address - that will make porting easier if we get any i.MX31 targets
16:33:16GodEater_Weblinuxstb: are there some words somewhere on how to build / convert loader2 into a .ipod format file for use with the new ipodpatcher ?
16:33:53dan_abarrywardell: Oops, I should have said that *before* you committed it!
16:33:57barrywardelldan_a: yes, you're probably right.
16:33:59barrywardellhaha, yes
16:34:05barrywardell2 minutes too late
16:34:11barrywardellit can easily be changed though
16:34:42netmasta10btdan_a: ams wants an nda for the as3515 ds :-/
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16:37:30dan_anetmasta10bt: I guessed that they would, otherwise it would have been on their website. Did you tell them that you wanted it to write an open source driver?
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16:38:06LinusNfunny, they haven't even replied to my request
16:38:20Bagdernot to mine either, after I got a phone call
16:38:35netmasta10btthey asked if I would sign and they would send the form if so
16:38:44LinusNi didn't even get a call, only total silence
16:38:55BagderLinusN: I didn't get any reaction either until I mailed them
16:39:08LinusNwhat is it with those people? do they want to sell chips or not?
16:39:32Bagder"just wanted to make sure it wasn't for a hobby project" the guy told me
16:39:44dan_aI might ring their UK sales office while I'm off work over Christmas and see if they can help
16:39:49netmasta10bt:) −− i sent from my work email adress −− which is in the cellular comp.
16:40:17LinusNi can't see what harm it would cause to let people know how to use their components
16:41:02LinusNmy guess it that they lose sales because of this
16:41:24dan_aMaybe it's part of their agreement with PortalPlayer? Not that that makes much sense to me either...
16:41:29LinusNyou just check out another manufacturer that treats their potential customers better
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16:44:37barrywardelldan_a: do you think the usb driver should be separated from the pp code completely?
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16:47:02Margotis here any firmware coding geek around?
16:47:29barrywardellwhich targets have properly working USB?
16:47:32dan_abarrywardell: Ideally, yes - we *know* that other chips have the same USB in
16:47:56dan_aMargot: Some. Ask your question, anyone who can answer will!
16:48:55barrywardelldan_a: true
16:49:02Margotthe problem is that i don`t have any exact question
16:49:17Margotbut i wanted to start making myself a firmware for electronic devices
16:49:25Margotand i need a guide of what to start
16:49:27barrywardellI'll aim for that if I ever figure out how to write some USB code
16:50:08Margotany advices?
16:50:34Margotwhat knownledge should i gain?
16:50:36dan_abarrywardell: I think for now it should be safe enough just to mark any references to the PP-specific registers as such.
16:51:46barrywardelli don't know if there is anything PP-specific apart from the base address
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16:52:25dan_abarrywardell: Any 0x7000XXXX or 0x6000XXXX addresses are, AFAIK
16:52:35JagManHey berry you still there
16:52:58JagManBarrywendell: are you here
16:53:14barrywardelldan_a: ah, yes. forgot about that
16:53:18GnelikWow! 195% in zxbox
16:53:18barrywardellJagMan: yes
16:53:34barrywardellJagMan: I emailed you
16:53:44JagMani cant get to my account... is there a nother way to get a copy
16:54:27JagManor do i have to w8 untill i get home
16:55:03JagManand i am on pc now so
16:55:32barrywardellyou can just download a compiled version of mi4code and decrypt yourself. it's very easy.
16:56:12JagManill try that
16:56:17JagManhope it works
16:57:55dan_aHmmm... searching for AS3515 throws up a result on the Freescale site - I wonder if they have it embedded into any of their processors in the same way as the USB is
16:58:34barrywardellthat would be helpful
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16:59:34dan_aHelpful, although I'm not holding out too much hope!
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17:04:10dairy_milkComplete noob here but is this datasheet for as3515 any good?
17:06:00LinusNno, not really, it's only a product brief
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17:06:46JagManit worked
17:06:54JagMannow to test it
17:07:03JagMancya in 2 min
17:07:08Nico_PLinusN, Bagder: how do you feel about cuesheet support ? Am I wasting my time integrating it in the core ?
17:07:16JagManhow do ya acess the of
17:07:23JagManwhat button
17:07:24LinusNno, i don't think you're wasting time
17:07:25barrywardellhold left on boot
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17:07:58Nico_PLinusN: cool.. I was afraid you'd say it's a feature that shouldn't be in the core
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17:08:51LinusNi want cuesheet support, especially if it can be extended to support other multi-chapter container formats
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17:09:30Nico_PLinusN: the way I did it, I'm pretty confident it can be extended quite easily... have you had a look at the patch ?
17:09:40LinusNnope, sorry
17:09:58Nico_Pwell, when you have time, it's on the tracker ;)
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17:11:31JagManthree things: one it was ez, 2 Barrywardell you are a god of programing, and 3 tell paulposition that the 20 bl hese hosting works
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17:14:37jhMikeSNico_P: I think it should be in the core as well but nothing added to playback.c to support it. I'm really looking to remove awareness of things like that from the engine itself. I think playlists should just be generalized into something that handles all the audio programs that are run out (not sure show to put it).
17:15:15Nico_PjhMikeS: did you look at the patch ? i don't add much to playback.c
17:16:40Nico_Pactually I added 4 lines to it ;)
17:18:20jhMikeSyes, looking now. somehow it might be better as a feature of playlists since they're really that. I'd like playback.c to just be a dumb "here's some files you have to play, play them" thing. No awareness of directories or playlists or anything higher level. A clean heirarchy UI->playlist (any type)->audio->pcm buffer->pcm driver.
17:19:32Nico_Pin the code I try to consider a cuesheet like a link to an audio file, with additional information about it
17:20:09jhMikeSThough I don't object to a registered callback that hands important audio events to anyone registered. Just not to be hardcoded to another module.
17:21:11Nico_PjhMikeS: have you discussed all this with lostlogic ? he was the one reworking the playback engine some time ago, then kinda disappeared...
17:22:27Nico_P... or at least stopped working on the engine
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17:22:49jhMikeSNico_P: no, haven't discussed it. I've been told about it being a third attempt, but don't care to just attempt it. I don't intend features left out, not even on a prototype.
17:23:21Nico_PjhMikeS: so you're currently working on it, is that what you mean ?
17:23:37Nico_Pthat's good to hear :)
17:24:31jhMikeSIt really needs simpifying and should be doable. The WPS will call through playlist APIs, playlist will work with the audio system. Any higher level part of the stack can be left out and the rest used independently.
17:25:19jhMikeSSo that probably means some work on playlist.c for the most part. The WPS was easy to redirect.
17:26:04Margotf~jhMikeS: may i speak with u in p.m ?
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17:26:06jhMikeSplaylist.c and playback.c more accurately. don't know what it means for mpeg.c yet
17:26:13jhMikeSMargot: sure
17:26:20lowlightbarrywardell, dan_a: here's some usb code from the m:robe bootloader (don't know what it does)
17:26:32Margotp.m me then :) coz i didn`t registered nick yet
17:26:44Margotif u don`t mind :)
17:27:47jhMikeSMargot: I just did. see it?
17:28:22barrywardelllowlight: great. did you base the address comments off of usb-target.h?
17:28:27MargotPrivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )
17:29:07jhMikeShmmm...even if a registered user initiates it? odd
17:29:16lowlightbarrywardell: yeah, usb-target.h
17:29:41Margotit is
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17:29:45barrywardelllowlight: ha
17:29:50Margotu`re at any other irc network?
17:29:54Margotlike efnet?
17:29:58barrywardellhave you seen the freescale document describing the hardware?
17:30:22Margotcould u join ? linknet or efnet
17:30:33Margotcoz here we ain`t gonna speak
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17:30:38Margotexcept the main channel
17:30:50jhMikeSdoesn't registering here take like 2 seconds?
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17:31:58jhMikeSone minute...
17:32:38lowlightbarrywardell:'s probably beyond my abilities
17:32:55*lowlight is a chemical/materials engineer
17:34:14markunJust came back from HCl's funeral. I wished his family strength, also from the rockbox team.
17:34:19jhMikeScan't seem to resolve efnet host names
17:35:28Margotit starts to be innoying
17:35:36markunHis father gave a very nice speech and also talked about rockbox and would like to thank the people who wrote him from all over the world.
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17:36:28jhMikeSgot one
17:37:09jhMikeSMargot: any particular efnet channel?
17:37:22Margotjust p.m me
17:37:27Margotwith same nick i have
17:37:46Nico_PMargot: are you french ?
17:37:55Margotnot really
17:37:57Margotthat`s just bnc
17:38:11Nico_P"bnc" ?
17:38:57jhMikeScrap, forgot how to do that
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17:40:25Nico_Pbecause Margot is a french name
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18:03:22dan_alowlight: That looks like some kind of initialisation routine, from what I've seen of the data sheet so far
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18:20:51barrywardelllowlight: does this look like reasonable pseudo code for that pastebin
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18:35:20DerPhilhi. is there a crack or something to unlock the volume of rockbox??
18:35:45thegeekthere is no volume limitation
18:35:52DerPhil6 dB?
18:36:45thegeekI'm not sure, but I think equalizer might have something to do with that
18:37:54DerPhilhm lets have a look
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18:39:31DerPhili dont think so
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18:47:25lowlightbarrywardell: looking over it...
18:48:49lowlightbarrywardell: should the first line check if bit 0 is 0? UOG_ENDPTSETUPSTAT << 31 gives bit 0?
18:49:19Nico_Pi've just made a little patch to fix the display of A-B repeat markers whith progressbars that don't use the full screen width
18:49:42Nico_Pis someone here to commit it or should i post it to the tracker
18:49:55lowlightbarrywardell: and line 3 is wrong "UOG_ENDPTSETUPSTAT = UOG_ENDPTCOMPLETE" (my comment was wrong)
18:50:33hcsif I submitted a patch to make the confirmation screen on ipods say "play = yes" instead of "select = yes"... would it get in, or is there a conscious decision to keep this confused?
18:51:06lowlightbarrywardell: that part was LDR r3, [r2,#0x2C]; STR r3, [r2,#0x2C] which seems to do nothing
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18:58:25barrywardelllowlight: oops, yes. replace bit i by bit (31-i) everywhere and it should be ok
18:58:41lowlightbarrywardell: the logic seems ok except for the bit checks and I don't know about those 3 load then store to the same location
18:59:09barrywardellit could be that it just has to read from that address to make the hardware do something
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19:06:20lowlightbarrywardell: more usb stuff...not too interesting...stack setup maybe?
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20:28:06natemiccan anyone give me some help?
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20:29:07natemicive got a 4th gen ipod that i converted a while back to rockbox, but havent used it in a while, i get it back out and all the stuff is in order on the drive (if i plug it in i can see all my flac music on the rockbox folders) but for some reason i cannot get it to boot with the rockbox interface
20:29:16natemicit wont respond to me hard resetting it, it seems
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20:49:48natemicanyone out there?
20:50:03*hcs nods, I can hear you
20:50:14*ctaylorr as well.
20:50:19natemicha, ive got a quick question for anyone really
20:50:20hcsI have no answer to your problem, though
20:50:46natemicis there a way to make my 4th gen ipod not capable of booting with the ipod interface
20:51:25natemici hate apple so much
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20:51:40ctaylorrthere are many ways. but most would prevent rockbox from booting as well.
20:51:55hcshm, never heard that one... you can build a custom bootloader without that functionality
20:52:00natemicnot quite what i was hoping for, haha
20:52:20hcsdisk mode is independent, though
20:52:30natemicis there any other keys that i can press or hold while it is rebooting to make it boot rockbox
20:52:53natemicevery once in a while i can get the ipod to reset then the little apple comes up and i cant get it to boot back with rockbox
20:53:12hcsthe little apple is a lower level bios than we deal with
20:54:39hcsthere will always (unless someone feels brave about rewriting it) be that bit of code in flashram (or whatever the ipod has) that loads the firmware from the hard drive
20:55:01natemici understand now
20:55:15natemicdamn, and i have to drive 18hrs tonight now without music, lol
20:55:18hcswhen rockbox won't boot, setting the hold switch on while it boots might help
20:55:27hcsit'll reset the settings, in case that was the issue
20:55:28natemici will try that right now
20:56:31natemicunsuccessful, damn
20:56:57hcswhat does happen? it tells you it can't load and proceeds into the apple firmware?
20:57:46natemicim thinking about starting from scratch, what happens is that i cant even get the rockbox bootloader to start up
20:58:09natemicyet when i connect it to my pc all the files are there in the proper places and it worked a few months ago which is slightly strange
20:58:24hcsoh, have you updated the ipod with iTunes since?
20:58:44hcsthen I have no idea
20:58:46natemici literally havent touched it, it was in a drawer for a month
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22:55:17relaxedWhy does the rockbox bootloader sometimes load apple's firmware? Anyway to stop this?
22:55:31relaxed5.5gen 30gig ipod
22:56:09ThePhilit should only start the apple firmware when you have lock switched on
22:56:20ThePhiloh no sry, when you have "HOLD" on
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22:57:10relaxedThePhil: Ok, thanks for the info. I don't recall that ever happening with my nano.
22:58:03PaulPositionrelaxed - Unless I'm mistaken, it used to be the press of some button, like select or menu, during power-on. It's been moved, I think, to the hold switch a few days ago.
22:59:20relaxedIs there anything I can do to stop this from ever happening?
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23:16:39drumstar07hey guys
23:16:48drumstar07can some one help me with rockbox
23:17:24ctaylorrplease go ahead and ask your question. someone will answer if they can help.
23:17:46drumstar07k well i have rockbox installed on my ipod video.. it works its just that doom
23:17:56drumstar07doesnt work it says its missing base wad
23:18:13drumstar07and my paint isnt working ether
23:19:34drumstar07i did all that stuff
23:19:46drumstar07when i open the games folder nothin shows up
23:20:58markundrumstar07: so you installed 2 wad files?
23:21:20markunrockdoom.wad + one of the others?
23:21:34drumstar07i think.. are u just supposed to put them in a games folder?
23:21:37drumstar07on the ipod
23:21:47drumstar07then yes i did
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23:22:45markunso which files do you have in games/doom/ ?
23:23:51drumstar07and the other one it said to download
23:24:04markunok, then I don't know
23:24:18drumstar07its cool thanks for trying thou
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23:24:59drumstar07it werid thou cause i open the games folder then doom then nothin shows up
23:25:19drumstar07i used the rockbox x installer.. is there anything wrong with that
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23:26:55markundrumstar07: rockbox only shows supported files (mostly audio) by default
23:27:08markunsomewhere in the display settings you can change that (file view)
23:28:03drumstar07yay!! i got it to work.. so now how do u play it? its just showing someone else playin it
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23:34:40_kedoes anybody of you uses rockbox AND ipodlinux?
23:35:51drumstar07how do start a game of doom on rockbox
23:35:57drumstar07what button do u push
23:39:03ctaylorrHi. Is there any commonality among forum, flyspray and wiki ids?
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23:55:18BetaCookiesHow do I make a theme default?
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23:57:16ctaylorrIf it's in the .rockbox directory, the setting should remain across reboots.
23:57:25BetaCookieswell it doesnt :|
23:58:28PaulPositionBetacookies - I've heard of some themes/builds not sticking through the first reboot and needing to be set a second time.. Didn't investigate though...

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