00:02:17 | BetaCookies | it happens almost every time I reboot |
00:02:20 | BetaCookies | anyway, gotta go |
00:02:40 | Soap | do you shutdown cleanly BetaCookies ? |
00:07:07 | idnar | hmm, does Rockbox support AC3? |
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00:11:11 | idnar | ah, looks like it |
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00:14:34 | [g2] | any news on the Sansa front ? |
00:16:36 | dan_a | [g2]: Since when? There is dual boot support now, and the scrollwheel works# |
00:17:28 | courtc | preglow: ping |
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00:24:14 | _ke | if i do some small changes like changing the id3-song information rockbox doesnt update this.. what am i doing wron? |
00:25:14 | Soap | I don't understand the question. |
00:26:27 | _ke | ok lets say i have a song on my box: title:"hello". now i alter the title to "hello you" and i do an databse update on box. but in the database there isnt the new name, but the old one |
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00:36:54 | drumstar07 | hey can someone help me?? i accidently loaded ipodlinux when i meant to hit rockbox |
00:37:02 | drumstar07 | and now its frozen can someone help |
00:37:09 | drumstar07 | i tried restarting it |
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00:38:08 | _ke | press menu+select for 10s |
00:38:17 | habana | someone with sansa e280 ? |
00:38:32 | drumstar07 | i tried |
00:38:44 | drumstar07 | the last part says its sleeping forevr |
00:39:12 | drumstar07 | plz help |
00:40:14 | drumstar07 | can i wait till the battery dies? |
00:41:09 | _ke | drumstar07, the thing i described is a reset.. its the only thing you can do |
00:41:48 | drumstar07 | k i got it to work |
00:43:10 | [g2] | dan_a since like a month ago or more |
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00:43:37 | dan_a | [g2]: Then there is quite a lot! |
00:43:42 | [g2] | :) |
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00:44:39 | [g2] | dan_a is it still a SVN only thing ? |
00:45:04 | habana | dan_a: you dont have the same trouble than MartinS |
00:45:10 | habana | ? |
00:45:58 | dan_a | [g2]: No, the daily downloads are being built now, and the bootloader is available for download. |
00:46:08 | dan_a | habana: No, but I only have a 2Gb |
00:47:08 | habana | Maybe he should empty his player and retest test then ? |
00:47:40 | dan_a | habana: I would rather fix the problem than work around it, if I can |
00:47:51 | habana | ok |
00:48:07 | habana | can i provide help ? |
00:48:09 | [g2] | dan_a and I'm guessing the JTAG hasn't changed at all |
00:48:28 | _ke | a small problem: lets say i have a song on my box: title:"hello". now i alter the title to "hello you" and i do an databse update on box. but in the database there isnt the new name, but the old one.. |
00:48:32 | [g2] | dan_a I'll have to dl and test |
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00:49:16 | habana | [g2]: so not updated, empty cache ? |
00:49:33 | dan_a | habana: You could try taking Rockbox off, putting 5Gb of files on your Sansa and then putting Rockbox back on |
00:49:37 | [g2] | habana ? |
00:50:11 | habana | [g2]:sorry, it was for _ke |
00:50:15 | dan_a | [g2]: I don't think anyone has made use of the JTAG. I for one wouldn't know what to do with it. |
00:50:28 | habana | dan_a: ok |
00:50:37 | [g2] | dan_a Ok thx |
00:50:55 | _ke | habana, what do you mean by that? |
00:50:56 | dan_a | habana: If I'm right, loading Rockbox should fail |
00:51:34 | [g2] | dan_a how hard would it be to add a minor edit feature to Rockbox to cut MP3 files before or after a mark (probably pause) |
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00:52:46 | dan_a | [g2]: I don't know - I've only worked on the low-level stuff so far. Maybe someone like jhMikeS could help you more there? |
00:53:26 | [g2] | dan_a ok THX. where you the guy hacking the |
00:53:27 | redwood | [g2] I and a buddy of mine are going to take a look at the splitedit code and see if it can be ported to other targets |
00:53:29 | [g2] | fb ? |
00:54:03 | [g2] | redwood thx. which targets does it currently run on ? |
00:54:13 | redwood | right now I think it is only for one of the Archos targets |
00:54:39 | redwood | [g2] prolly won't get to it until after xmas tho |
00:54:54 | dan_a | [g2]: I've done the LCD and disk drivers, and looked at using the 2nd core on all the PortalPlayer targets (Sansa, iriver H10, iPod) |
00:55:00 | [g2] | redwood that's really soon :) |
00:55:06 | redwood | lol |
00:55:09 | habana | _ke: if theres a cache in rockbox, empty it . |
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00:55:36 | [g2] | go dan_a go ! |
00:55:47 | [g2] | so it's only using one core right now ? |
00:55:48 | redwood | [g2\ gtg will post with any results - btw what target do you have? |
00:56:06 | [g2] | redwood I've got a sansa and and Ipod |
00:56:09 | _ke | habana, how can i do that? |
00:56:50 | [g2] | redwood THX for the info |
00:58:00 | [g2] | dan_a do you know if anything has changed with the NV buyout regarding info about the PP silicon ? |
00:58:23 | habana | _ke:dont know :\ never tested yet |
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00:59:32 | dan_a | [g2]: I requested register level documentation about the PP5024 (which the Sansa uses) from PP a week or two ago and have heard nothing. I'd take that as a "no"! |
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00:59:49 | _ke | habana, is there an option to it? |
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01:00:11 | habana | dan_a: still works with 1.04 GB |
01:02:17 | dan_a | habana: 1.04Gb free? |
01:03:10 | habana | yes |
01:05:39 | habana | a good source for gb roms ? |
01:07:37 | habana | _ke:dunno |
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01:11:43 | [g2] | dan_a I see Sansa in cvs but not daily is that correct one ? |
01:12:00 | habana | dan_a:filled the player until 880MB stay free, removed rockbox. Database update in progress... |
01:12:12 | [g2] | and will that support the e260 ? |
01:12:23 | habana | [g2] not really usable |
01:12:46 | [g2] | habana the cvs isn't really usable ? |
01:12:58 | [g2] | or the e260 isn't usable |
01:13:01 | dan_a | [g2]: Ah, yes, it's not been added to the daily builds |
01:13:04 | habana | yes, no sound, no usb, ... |
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01:13:53 | [g2] | well sound for a music player would be nice :) |
01:14:03 | jhMikeS | dan_a: does each pp core have it's own irq level? there's something that needs a little change in the scheduler if so. (just realized) |
01:14:36 | habana | lol |
01:14:57 | jhMikeS | something I did recently that is |
01:15:09 | [g2] | habana I'm not in a super big rush. I think you guys are doing great stuff and I know it often just takes some time and lov'n |
01:15:16 | dan_a | jhMikeS: I'm not sure. I think they might have. |
01:15:50 | jhMikeS | really. watch out on that set_irq_level_and_block thread function and the variable it uses to do that |
01:15:50 | habana | [g2]:i dont participate. look in "credits" for kudos :) |
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01:16:47 | jhMikeS | probably has to be part of cores instead |
01:16:52 | [g2] | habana it was a general comment |
01:16:53 | dan_a | habana: Testing counts as participating! |
01:17:13 | [g2] | dan_a amen to testers/users |
01:17:48 | * | [g2] knows a guy that did a Fedora port to the ARM arch but it didn't get used |
01:20:26 | habana | dan_a: it still boots with only 880MB free space |
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01:21:09 | dan_a | habana: In that case, it doesn't sound like it's a problem with the disk driver |
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01:21:47 | dan_a | Does it list all the files correctly, and (assuming that they are MP3s) do the titles show up correctly in Database view? |
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01:23:42 | habana | yes, from a to z |
01:24:43 | dan_a | I'd say that the disk is working properly then |
01:24:59 | dan_a | So there must be something weird with MartinS's setup. |
01:25:13 | habana | rockbox info: disk 5.58 gb free :886mb |
01:25:41 | habana | MartinS tested my own build with same result |
01:25:58 | habana | maybe it 's a R version ? |
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01:27:00 | dan_a | I don't think so - installing the bootloader should fail on ARM versions. |
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01:30:08 | habana | time for me to ut2004, bye all |
01:30:25 | dan_a | s/ARM/R |
01:30:29 | dan_a | Bye! |
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01:30:32 | xamox | Does rockbox have video support? I see there is a video page up but it was last modified 2004 so I don't want to go through the whole process and find out it doesn't work anymore. |
01:31:28 | scorche | go to the wikipage PluginMpegplayer |
01:31:52 | xamox | scorche, thx. |
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01:33:21 | dan_a | scorche: I'm going to test the things we learned from your testing at the weekend. Thanks again for doing that! |
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01:33:38 | scorche | dan_a: as i said, the test is still incomplete |
01:34:03 | scorche | tonight i will finish it up by finding out which was causing the backlight and the hold button irregularities |
01:34:20 | scorche | cant very well have a battery_bench with the backlight on constantly ;) |
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01:35:26 | dan_a | hehehe |
01:36:10 | scorche | were you able to confirm whther that was the ADC or not? |
01:36:21 | scorche | but 12 that is |
01:36:25 | scorche | s/but/bit |
01:36:36 | dan_a | I've not had a chance to check yet. |
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01:37:49 | dan_a | Bit 12 of 0x6000600c is I2C. That should affect all sorts of things, including sound |
01:38:50 | scorche | sound was working fin |
01:38:52 | scorche | fine |
01:39:07 | scorche | the only irregularity was the battery |
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01:39:38 | scorche | well, read the note i left you on that spreadsheet |
01:39:51 | scorche | i need to be off for a couple hours, and then i will come back and test the rest |
01:40:49 | dan_a | OK. Thanks again :) |
01:41:41 | habana | dan_a: finally, all plugins give error message "incompatible model" after reboot (i didnt test them minutes ago) |
01:42:38 | dan_a | habana: That's odd. Were the plugins compiled at the same time as rockbox.e200? |
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01:44:04 | habana | i think its the one i used yesterday with working plugins |
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01:45:39 | habana | im gonna remove files (1GB)+ firmware and reinstall the same firmware. |
01:51:11 | habana | dan_a: with 1.31GB free , plugins work |
01:52:11 | dan_a | habana: So it definitely seems that there is a problem with the disk driver? |
01:52:25 | habana | im afraid |
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01:55:40 | habana | dan_a:dont hesitate to send me pm messages on the forum or by email (if you still have it) fot tests with 6GB |
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01:55:54 | TerrorByte | What's up. |
01:56:20 | TerrorByte | Aw, Paul's not here. |
01:56:27 | TerrorByte | So, any major changes to the H10? |
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01:57:03 | dan_a | TerrorByte: Dual-boot bootloader - I think there's documentation for it in the wiki |
01:58:14 | TerrorByte | Dual-boot bootloader? |
01:58:16 | TerrorByte | Wow, what's that do. |
01:58:18 | TerrorByte | ? |
01:58:24 | TerrorByte | I'm going to try to find it in the wiki. |
01:58:48 | dan_a | It lets you choose between the original firmware and Rockbox while you're booting up. |
01:59:11 | TerrorByte | AWESOME. |
01:59:13 | TerrorByte | Finally. |
01:59:16 | TerrorByte | That's so kickass. |
01:59:27 | TerrorByte | BRB with my iRiver H10 :) |
02:00 |
02:00:15 | TerrorByte | Back. |
02:00:29 | TerrorByte | So it's all in the daily build? |
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02:01:08 | TerrorByte | How come this isn't listed on the homepage? |
02:01:12 | TerrorByte | It's a pretty big update! |
02:01:20 | TerrorByte | Should be big news. |
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02:03:26 | TerrorByte | You there? |
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02:05:08 | dan_a | TerrorByte: I don't know why it didn't go on the news part of the homepage. It's in the list of changes which is still on the homepage at the moment... |
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02:05:40 | TerrorByte | Nevertheless. |
02:05:42 | TerrorByte | Big update. |
02:05:50 | TerrorByte | I mean, now you can record and listen to FM radio.... |
02:05:55 | TerrorByte | Using the iRiver firmware. |
02:06:12 | dan_a | Can you listen to FM radio? |
02:06:23 | dan_a | I didn't think that was done yet? |
02:06:24 | TerrorByte | On the iRiver I think. |
02:06:30 | TerrorByte | Wait wait wait.... |
02:06:36 | TerrorByte | I'll need the iRiver files too. |
02:06:42 | TerrorByte | I have them somewhere I think. |
02:07:02 | dan_a | Oh, you can record from RB too |
02:07:02 | TerrorByte | Also, I couldn't find it in the wikil |
02:07:05 | TerrorByte | wiki* |
02:07:08 | TerrorByte | Can you please give me the link? |
02:08:09 | PaulPosition | Terrorbyte try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=H10InstallationBeta |
02:08:17 | PaulPosition | Although it's still beta.. :/ |
02:09:16 | TerrorByte | Is that you Paul_The_Nerd? |
02:09:23 | PaulPosition | Terrorbyte - And feel free to make any recommandation for clarification or whatever. |
02:09:27 | PaulPosition | And nope, I'm not. |
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02:10:01 | PaulPosition | I'm not even really named Paul, I'm just a sucker for bad puns and automobile racing. |
02:10:57 | TerrorByte | I see. |
02:10:58 | TerrorByte | LOL. |
02:11:08 | TerrorByte | Well let's see if I can get dual boot working myself. |
02:12:28 | PaulPosition | I sure hope the instructions are clear enough, but I can tell you dozen of misticriver users have sent their thanks Barrywardell's and dan_a's way. |
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02:14:31 | * | dan_a blushes |
02:14:36 | TerrorByte | Okay, let's see if I did it right. |
02:15:02 | TerrorByte | Umm... |
02:15:06 | PaulPosition | Terrorbyte - You installed both the new bootloader and a newish build? |
02:15:10 | TerrorByte | It froze at Sum: 2E4DC24 |
02:15:17 | TerrorByte | NEW Bootloader? |
02:15:18 | TerrorByte | No. |
02:15:18 | TerrorByte | Damn. |
02:15:19 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TerrorByte |
02:15:19 | TerrorByte | WTF. |
02:15:21 | TerrorByte | My bad. |
02:16:25 | PaulPosition | lol, no problem. :p |
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02:16:57 | TerrorByte | Let's try it now. |
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02:17:11 | TerrorByte | It booted up in Rockbox. |
02:17:15 | TerrorByte | Did not ask me. |
02:17:43 | TerrorByte | Whoa. |
02:17:47 | TerrorByte | You guys got recording done too. |
02:17:50 | TerrorByte | Nice. |
02:18:25 | TerrorByte | dan, you here? |
02:18:46 | TerrorByte | Oh, didn't hold left. |
02:18:56 | PaulPosition | Terrorbyte - hehe... |
02:19:09 | TerrorByte | Heh. |
02:19:10 | TerrorByte | WOrked. |
02:19:14 | TerrorByte | Worked* |
02:19:28 | TerrorByte | But. |
02:19:31 | TerrorByte | There is a problem. |
02:19:31 | PaulPosition | Sure. Do remember that the OF gets into sleep instead of shutting down. |
02:19:36 | Tadpole324 | I'm getting "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher. |
02:19:38 | TerrorByte | When I boot up in the original firmware. |
02:19:42 | TerrorByte | Yeah |
02:19:49 | TerrorByte | I was about to say that Paul. |
02:19:53 | Tadpole324 | What should I try? |
02:19:54 | TerrorByte | How do I get it to shutdown? |
02:19:58 | PaulPosition | So to go back into Rockbox you need to reset (take out battery or inserta pin in reset hole) |
02:19:59 | TerrorByte | Without resetting. |
02:20:05 | TerrorByte | Yeah yeah. |
02:20:07 | TerrorByte | Well, still awesome. |
02:20:13 | PaulPosition | It's something you forgot from the OF days, right? ;) |
02:20:14 | TerrorByte | Thank you guys. |
02:20:27 | TerrorByte | Ummm.... right. :P |
02:20:45 | TerrorByte | I think you guys should provide a checklist that people can follow. |
02:20:53 | TerrorByte | Because holding left is written in one line. |
02:20:57 | TerrorByte | And it's easy to skip that. |
02:22:01 | PaulPosition | Terrorbyte - I think there is a p[art in the manual concerned about dualbooting. The blob I put decrypting info into (and which I linked you to) is mostly concerned with installation. |
02:22:12 | PaulPosition | Not sure... |
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02:22:29 | TerrorByte | Okey. |
02:24:45 | Tadpole324 | 'm getting "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher. |
02:24:53 | Tadpole324 | I'm |
02:25:11 | Tadpole324 | What's wrong? |
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02:26:36 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
02:26:36 | * | TerrorByte doesn't know. |
02:27:06 | Tadpole324 | Okay. |
02:28:12 | Tadpole324 | :-( |
02:28:47 | TerrorByte | I love the namil-8 font. |
02:28:49 | TerrorByte | I always use it :) |
02:30:35 | TerrorByte | Agh. |
02:30:39 | TerrorByte | Found something else guys. |
02:30:51 | TerrorByte | When you boot it in the original firmware, it screws some things up. |
02:31:02 | TerrorByte | It makes the "Music" folder hidden, if you have one. |
02:31:07 | TerrorByte | Which is retarted. |
02:31:22 | TerrorByte | I renamed it in all caps xD |
02:32:08 | TerrorByte | Kickass. |
02:32:08 | TerrorByte | Wow, you guys also got recording up and working. |
02:32:15 | | Part redwood |
02:32:21 | TerrorByte | Thank you so much. |
02:32:51 | TerrorByte | I have a question. |
02:32:54 | TerrorByte | For the recording format. |
02:33:07 | TerrorByte | What format should I choose? |
02:33:08 | TerrorByte | What's the difference? |
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02:33:13 | TerrorByte | PCM is uncompressed?? |
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02:36:27 | TerrorByte | Uhhh guys |
02:36:33 | TerrorByte | I can't play any music for some reason. |
02:36:39 | TerrorByte | The play symbol is at the top. |
02:36:42 | TerrorByte | But it's not playing. |
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02:37:08 | TerrorByte | Little help? |
02:39:25 | ctaylorr | Check volume? Is the timer counting? |
02:39:38 | Tadpole324 | You have speakers? :) |
02:39:40 | TerrorByte | Timer is not counting. |
02:39:44 | TerrorByte | I have HEADPHONES. |
02:39:48 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
02:39:52 | TerrorByte | Timer is not moving btw. |
02:40:12 | TerrorByte | This has never happened before. |
02:40:33 | ctaylorr | Is it completely locked up? Are you able to seek? |
02:43:04 | TerrorByte | Okay. |
02:43:13 | TerrorByte | Found out.. |
02:43:16 | TerrorByte | It worked totally fine. |
02:43:20 | TerrorByte | I rebooted, and its fine now. |
02:43:26 | TerrorByte | After I record something. |
02:43:28 | TerrorByte | It screws up. |
02:43:54 | ctaylorr | What was the problem? You may want to open a bug if you didn't expect this behaviour. |
02:44:56 | TerrorByte | Okay. |
02:44:58 | TerrorByte | After I record something. |
02:45:05 | TerrorByte | I can't play any audio files. |
02:46:05 | ctaylorr | Understood. This is likely a bug. If there isn't already a bug opened on FS, you may want to open one so the devs are aware. |
02:46:33 | TerrorByte | I'm going to check it out a bit more. |
02:46:36 | TerrorByte | Then open a bug. |
02:47:14 | ctaylorr | Great. |
02:48:52 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
02:48:57 | TerrorByte | Recording isn't in the manual. |
02:49:57 | ctaylorr | Hmm...perhaps it's new functionality. I recall it only being mentioned recently in commit logs. |
02:50:26 | TerrorByte | Yes it is very new. |
02:50:26 | Tadpole324 | ctaylorr: Do you know anything about "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher? |
02:50:31 | TerrorByte | WTH is gain |
02:50:32 | TerrorByte | ? |
02:50:40 | TerrorByte | And Clipping Light. |
02:51:38 | ctaylorr | Hmmm...clipping light. Sounds like the indicator in the VU meter plugin that lets you know when it thinks clipping is occuring (distrortion from high volume). |
02:51:44 | ctaylorr | Gain is, well, gain. |
02:52:04 | TerrorByte | I see. |
02:52:08 | TerrorByte | Explain gain. |
02:52:10 | TerrorByte | Please. |
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02:52:47 | ctaylorr | Tadpole324: Not sure. I don't own an ipod, so I'm not sure what that error would indicate. |
02:52:54 | ctaylorr | TerrorByte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain |
02:53:24 | Tadpole324 | ctaylorr: Too bad. :-( |
02:54:00 | ctaylorr | TerrorByte: In rockbox, it's the amount of amplification you have Rockbox apply. If (either via the volume controls, or eq) it's too high, you'll hear distortion, depending on the quality of your speakers. This is clipping. |
02:54:23 | Tadpole324 | ctaylorr: This is when I try to backup my iPod firmware before installing rockbox. |
02:54:23 | TerrorByte | I see. |
02:55:59 | TerrorByte | I don't understand how to change gain and volume accordingly. |
02:56:01 | ctaylorr | Tadpole324: I really don't know anything about ipodcatcher. Sry. Perhaps the forums can help you...doesn't seem like anyone's reading the channel. |
02:56:09 | TerrorByte | Do I just learn by experimentation? |
02:56:41 | Tadpole324 | ctaylorr: Okay, thanks. |
02:56:43 | ctaylorr | TerrorByte: Well, you can usually notice when clipping is occuring, and that's when you adjust volume/eq settings accordingly (by turning them down). |
02:56:50 | TerrorByte | I see. |
02:56:53 | TerrorByte | What is trigger? |
02:57:05 | TerrorByte | In recording settings. |
02:58:13 | ctaylorr | TerrorByte: Ah...recording...not too familiar with recording, but gain and clipping make more sense wrt recording. I'm not sure but there could be gain options in rockbox which allow you to adjust how much it tries to amplify what it's recording. |
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02:58:35 | TerrorByte | And what is trigger? |
02:58:53 | ctaylorr | Trigger: What causes clipping, or do you mean, which menu? |
02:59:05 | TerrorByte | It's got Trigger, and the options I can choose are: Off, Once, Repeat |
02:59:09 | TerrorByte | This is also in recording. |
02:59:21 | TerrorByte | Also has Trigger Type. |
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03:00:56 | ctaylorr | Hmm (just looking at the options now on my player)...I couldn't guess what trigger means without documentation. It could mean `what does pressing select do?'. |
03:01:35 | ctaylorr | May want to ask on the forums as no one is actually here. Otherwise you may just want to experiment a bit to see what it could mean. |
03:01:53 | TerrorByte | Well, I'm going to go to sleep. |
03:02:11 | TerrorByte | Just finished a major project for school today :) |
03:02:13 | TerrorByte | Physics. |
03:02:22 | TerrorByte | And I've slept past 3 for the last 3 days. |
03:02:33 | TerrorByte | It's 9 PM right now, and I'm going to fall asleep any second. |
03:02:53 | TerrorByte | Better if I'm lying in a bed then if I'm slumped over the computer table :P |
03:03:12 | ctaylorr | k...later. |
03:03:22 | TerrorByte | Err yeah. |
03:03:22 | TerrorByte | Later. |
03:03:25 | TerrorByte | Thanks for your help. |
03:03:35 | TerrorByte | And thank you to everyone who's worked on the H10. |
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03:14:44 | Soap | Playback being broken on the iPods after recording is a known issue |
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03:33:40 | billytwowilly | HCI? |
03:34:21 | billytwowilly | Anyone in or around edmonton alberta want a free archos jukebox 6000, the mp3 player that started this whole thing? |
03:35:01 | billytwowilly | or anyone willing to pay shipping and want a free archos jukebox 6000? Did I mention it's been modded to have a 20 gig harddrive instead of the stock 6 gb? |
03:36:08 | jhMikeS | billytwowilly: it works with rockbox? could use a hwcodec test platform |
03:37:30 | billytwowilly | It's the original rockbox platform man.. The one rockbox was built for and on originally. |
03:37:34 | billytwowilly | lemme dig up a link. |
03:38:10 | jhMikeS | why's nothing called "jukebox" in the build table? is that really just the player? |
03:38:41 | billytwowilly | click on the player link and you'll see |
03:38:51 | billytwowilly | "Archose jukebox 5000, 6000, studio 10 and 20 |
03:38:58 | billytwowilly | all same/similar I think. |
03:39:38 | jhMikeS | yeah, shipping should be pretty cheap. it doesn't have to be fast. |
03:40:03 | jhMikeS | it's fully functional right? needs to be to be of devolopment use |
03:40:14 | billytwowilly | well, I don't have any packaging, so you'd have to buy a padded envelope or something. |
03:40:28 | billytwowilly | It was when I put it in a plastic bag two years ago. |
03:40:41 | billytwowilly | the batteries are dead. Lemme plug it in and let it charge a bit and see. |
03:41:35 | jhMikeS | I have to send you an envelope? :\ Can't just charge me for one at the PO? :) |
03:41:49 | billytwowilly | yah, that's what I mean. |
03:42:03 | billytwowilly | so It'd probably cost 10 bucks? I don't know, I haven't shipped anything in a while. |
03:43:51 | jhMikeS | 10 Canadian right, for the envelope alone or the shipping? At the PO here you just pick up free boxes at the counter and pay the shipping. |
03:44:00 | billytwowilly | oh yah. It has a weird usb plug. Lemme see if I have the cable still. THe plug on the player is the same as on the computer. |
03:44:08 | billytwowilly | Heh. I even have the usb cable. |
03:44:33 | billytwowilly | I don't know what it would cost man. Where are you located? You can go to canada post's website and get a rough estimate. |
03:44:54 | billytwowilly | At the post office by my place they don' t have boxes, they just have these envelopes with bubble wrap built in. |
03:45:19 | billytwowilly | my postal code is t6r 2b5 |
03:48:27 | jhMikeS | 48302 michigan, us |
03:50:40 | jhMikeS | what's it weigh about? |
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03:54:14 | jhMikeS | Small packet USA surface is $6.65 on .45 kg (guess) 25x20x5cm there abouts |
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04:03:00 | billytwowilly | jhMikeS: maybe 3 lbs when all done? I don't know, it's pretty light. 1 lb? |
04:03:30 | billytwowilly | that's about right. Plus 3-5 bucks for packaging from the post office. |
04:03:51 | jhMikeS | my x5 shipped in a box was < 1 lb so that can't be too different |
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04:04:03 | billytwowilly | It's probably right. |
04:04:38 | billytwowilly | Send me a cheque or some other form of money for ten bucks US and I'll mail it to you |
04:05:02 | jhMikeS | no paypal? can do a postal money order? |
04:05:14 | jhMikeS | it's working ok? |
04:05:17 | billytwowilly | I don't use paypal. Postal money order? How does that work? |
04:05:28 | jhMikeS | just a money order you cash at a bank |
04:05:34 | billytwowilly | I haven't checked yet. I'm still charging it. Let me try and turn it on. |
04:05:38 | billytwowilly | Yah, that's fine. |
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04:06:27 | jhMikeS | don't know if there's any wierdness when using them internationally or not...will check |
04:06:42 | billytwowilly | It appears to be working fine. The batteries may be crap, I can't remember how old they are. There are check ni-cad AA like batteries though. |
04:06:50 | billytwowilly | hmm. |
04:07:01 | billytwowilly | I think there are different color ones. One is for in US one is for international. |
04:07:15 | billytwowilly | I have an ipaq 6350 and a palm tungsten t2 as well. |
04:07:21 | billytwowilly | If you want either of those. |
04:07:58 | jhMikeS | Yes, I just checked. They cost $3.45 US |
04:08:02 | billytwowilly | the t2's power button is busted (a problem endemic to all the Tungsten t series I've used so far) |
04:08:17 | billytwowilly | ouch. Might be better just to send me a cheque;) |
04:08:37 | billytwowilly | If you're not good for it I can always mail you something else nasty;) |
04:08:49 | jhMikeS | a few buck won't kill me. |
04:08:54 | jhMikeS | you can't turn it on? |
04:09:09 | billytwowilly | the tungsten t2? You can, you just hit the other buttons, which work fine. |
04:09:31 | billytwowilly | It's more of a PITA when you want to turn it off because you basically have to let it time out and turn itself off. |
04:09:36 | billytwowilly | The jukebox is working fine. |
04:09:40 | jhMikeS | do they have simple switches. I've repairs such things in the past |
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04:10:48 | jhMikeS | I've gotta do some mailing in the next couple of days since Cowon botched my x5 repair. At least they're paying the shipping back to them. |
04:10:57 | billytwowilly | I'm not sure, I replaced it with an axim x51v and haven't looked back... |
04:11:35 | jhMikeS | If I can work and use it as a testing device for playback rework then I'm happy |
04:11:40 | billytwowilly | k, mind if I pm you my address? I'm leaving for 2 weeks on the 24th, so I'll get back on the 7th and probably mail it out to you some time that week. |
04:11:56 | billytwowilly | I think you should be able to. It runs rockbox software anyway. |
04:12:03 | billytwowilly | It is old though, about 5 years probably. |
04:12:15 | jhMikeS | sure pm |
04:13:29 | billytwowilly | Just include your address info in the envelope with the money order. |
04:13:48 | billytwowilly | And maybe check to see if it's still useful as a dev platform? |
04:14:01 | jhMikeS | The money order has sender and receiver addresses. I'll have the return on the box too of course. |
04:14:23 | billytwowilly | Oh, You're going to send me a box? |
04:14:43 | jhMikeS | no, wasn't gonna do that. just use the envelope. |
04:14:54 | billytwowilly | oh ok, sorry, I got confused for a minute;) |
04:15:04 | * | jhMikeS doesn't know why he said "box" :P |
04:15:23 | billytwowilly | That's cool, we're understanding on the same level now;) |
04:15:43 | billytwowilly | It's all good. You should probably get your dev platoform middle to end of january I would guess. |
04:15:52 | jhMikeS | so any time to send it to you is cool? |
04:16:21 | jhMikeS | or wait until after the 7th? |
04:16:30 | billytwowilly | It's fine. i kinda want it out of my apartment when I get back on january 7th, so If you could send it so it's waiting in my mail box when I get back that would be great. |
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04:16:41 | jhMikeS | np |
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04:17:50 | jhMikeS | should it be addressed to billytwowilly or the real name =:) |
04:17:57 | billytwowilly | lol. |
04:18:34 | billytwowilly | Well, I'm going to go fiddle with my xbox. cheers. |
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05:31:21 | Hdaackda | hi there. |
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05:32:13 | Hdaackda | There is an app in rockbox titled 'Dict'. I didnt find any documentation for it in rockbox manuals. Whenever I enter a name/word etc, it gives me an error! |
05:32:31 | Hdaackda | saying something like Unable to initialize/open index file |
05:32:56 | Llorean | Hdaackda: Currently there doesn't seem to be any documentation for it. |
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05:34:24 | Hdaackda | but does it work? if yes, where can i get the index file. |
05:34:36 | Hdaackda | maybe i can try and write a document for it |
05:34:51 | Llorean | If I recall you had to generate the index using a certain tool. |
05:35:16 | homielowe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary, use the precompiled at the bottom |
05:35:24 | Hdaackda | k |
05:36:27 | homielowe | I like the wikipedia one better except for the extremely large dump files |
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05:37:38 | myzar | linuxstb |
05:37:45 | myzar | :) |
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05:46:15 | homielowe | from iPodlinux? |
05:48:32 | Hdaackda | homielowe: but i dont think where is one for the rockbox (the wiki one) |
05:49:38 | homielowe | ipl is down :( |
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05:54:53 | JdGordon | any linux ppl here? i need help wth my grub list.. |
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05:58:02 | TheCollector | JdGordon: I might be able to help |
05:58:31 | JdGordon | windows is installed on the first partition of the primary slave hard disk... http://rafb.net/paste/results/nVuWR814.html is wat the optio looks liek |
05:58:39 | JdGordon | but it just freezes after saying "Starting" ? |
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05:59:44 | TheCollector | weird |
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06:00:25 | TheCollector | and it's worked before? |
06:00:33 | TheCollector | or is this a new install? |
06:00:55 | JdGordon | new install... i had linux going but just installed windows onto a seperate disk |
06:01:06 | JdGordon | I have to change the boot order atm to get into windows |
06:01:11 | TheCollector | ohh |
06:01:48 | TheCollector | I'd probably just try to re-install grub to the MBR of the primary disk |
06:02:13 | JdGordon | thats where it is... i have grub there and windows is installed in the mbr of the 2nd disk |
06:02:16 | TheCollector | I know that's not much help, but I've never seen that particular problem before |
06:02:31 | TheCollector | but you installed windows after linux, right? |
06:02:52 | TheCollector | I've had that mess stuff up a lot bofore |
06:02:54 | TheCollector | *before |
06:02:55 | JdGordon | yeah, didnt have the linux disk connected at the time |
06:03:01 | TheCollector | hmm |
06:03:09 | TheCollector | let me ask a friend real quick |
06:03:14 | JdGordon | cheers |
06:05:59 | TheCollector | I'm not sure if windows will boot (easily) from a non-primary disk |
06:06:14 | TheCollector | lemme see if I can find anything |
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06:10:31 | TheCollector | yeah, everything I see says to install windows to the primary drive, and linux to the secondary while installing the linux bootloader to the primary drive's MBR |
06:10:47 | JdGordon | :( |
06:11:23 | TheCollector | should be easy to swap them out |
06:11:44 | TheCollector | and there's grub install tutorials a-plenty on the web |
06:14:47 | JdGordon | ok, found some, gonna try it out |
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06:19:02 | JdGordon | didnt work :( |
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06:19:56 | TheCollector | you installed grub on the windows hd MBR already? |
06:25:00 | TheCollector | I'd recommend booting from a livecd with the windows drive as hda and the linux drive as hdb, then installing grub onto the MBR of hda |
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06:30:45 | inteliwasp | well i have an interesting problem... i acedently let the battries drain on my ipod and now i cant use he usb to charge it... |
06:31:14 | Llorean | Why can't you? |
06:31:56 | inteliwasp | i have less than 10 seconds to do anything then the protection circuts cut off the power |
06:32:14 | Llorean | Why do you need to do anything? |
06:32:40 | inteliwasp | how am i to charge it? |
06:32:47 | Llorean | Plug it in? |
06:33:07 | Llorean | Charging is automated, whether you see visible signs of it or not. |
06:33:26 | inteliwasp | er.... |
06:33:37 | Llorean | Er? |
06:33:54 | inteliwasp | it just keeps rebooting then abruptly shuting off |
06:34:15 | Llorean | Try rebooting it into disk mode then. |
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06:34:45 | inteliwasp | just before it finalises the connection, it turnes off |
06:35:24 | Llorean | And have you tried booting into the Apple firmware? |
06:35:40 | inteliwasp | same thing |
06:36:04 | Llorean | How are you trying to boot Disk Mode and/or Apple_OS? |
06:36:06 | inteliwasp | i am about to barrow my brother's firewire to try |
06:36:15 | inteliwasp | both |
06:36:21 | Llorean | I said "how" |
06:36:28 | Llorean | As in "what buttons are you pressing, when?" |
06:36:33 | inteliwasp | thru the alt boot and the diag boot |
06:37:18 | Llorean | What do you mean by "alt boot"? |
06:37:29 | inteliwasp | 1 sec |
06:38:50 | inteliwasp | by pressing the "menu" key then press and hold "menu |
06:39:19 | inteliwasp | and for diag, press and hold select and the left button |
06:39:36 | Llorean | So, you haven't tried the actual disk mode combo? |
06:40:35 | inteliwasp | there is one? i'm all ears |
06:41:00 | Llorean | Play+Select |
06:41:05 | Llorean | As opposed to Left+Select |
06:41:19 | inteliwasp | does the cable need to be in first? |
06:41:25 | Llorean | Not necessarily |
06:41:39 | Llorean | Though my recommendation would be to plug in the cable, reboot with Menu+Select, then immediately hold Play+Select |
06:41:49 | Llorean | It should go into the disk mode before ever showing the Rockbox loader. |
06:42:14 | inteliwasp | trying now... |
06:43:52 | inteliwasp | hrmmm.... i get a strange charging icon... |
06:44:25 | Llorean | A strange charging icon? |
06:45:55 | inteliwasp | it's in the middle of the screen rather large battery and a lightninh bolt on the left side |
06:46:01 | Llorean | Yup |
06:46:11 | Llorean | That's the emergency disk mode charging screen. |
06:46:47 | inteliwasp | after about 2 mins with that it tries to reboot |
06:47:05 | inteliwasp | ok i got to the disk mode scree |
06:47:20 | Llorean | Are you sure your PC is providing enough power on the USB port, consistently? |
06:47:35 | inteliwasp | but it says "ok to disconnect" BUT i's not turnning off... i think it's charging |
06:47:44 | Llorean | Alright |
06:47:53 | * | inteliwasp crosses fingers |
06:47:56 | Llorean | Good luck |
06:48:14 | * | inteliwasp also prays to the tech gods |
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07:48:44 | scorche | dan_a: it was bit 8 that caused the backlight always being on and affected use of the HOLD switch |
07:49:56 | scorche | i am charging up for a battery_bench right now...i will tell you the results later (hopefully more than 8.5 hours later ;) |
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07:55:25 | Llorean | scorche: What are you benching? |
07:55:46 | scorche | the battery life of course ;) |
07:56:06 | Llorean | Don't make me come over there. |
07:56:20 | Llorean | I meant, under what conditions and with which player, as I assumed you had good reason for a new bench. :-P |
07:57:29 | scorche | i am benching my nano with a build that disables 21 bits of the device enable register |
07:58:39 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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08:15:41 | hypo | anyone around? |
08:15:47 | Llorean | There often are, yes. |
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08:16:15 | JdGordon | anyone is a "they" now? |
08:16:54 | hypo | I have an ipod video and was wondering if (for the moment) it is best to switch back to the original apple firmware when I want to watch a movie? |
08:17:08 | JdGordon | unless your deaf i would say yes |
08:17:50 | Llorean | Seeing as Rockbox doesn't support audio in videos yet. :) |
08:18:06 | hypo | so to switch back I need to hold the select and menu keys together than release the select key when the apple shows up? |
08:18:33 | Llorean | hard resetting is not the recommended method |
08:18:44 | hypo | how would I go about doing it? |
08:18:57 | Llorean | Properly shutting down, and then holding menu immediately after turning on. |
08:19:13 | Llorean | As it says in all the documentation relating to the dual boot option. |
08:19:33 | scorche | or if you have the new bootloader, turning on the hold switch immediately after waking the device |
08:19:45 | scorche | Llorean: need to change your macros ;) |
08:20:02 | Llorean | scorche: Menu still works. :-P |
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08:20:24 | Llorean | And I was actually in favor of hold disabling USB detection, rather than booting into Apple OS, so that car adapter mode would work. :-P |
08:20:46 | hypo | ok, i think i'll go try that out now. btw does the video have to be in a special folder for apple to recognize it? |
08:20:51 | Llorean | But just having Car Adapter mode enabled could serve the same purpose as holding Menu in-Rockbox. |
08:20:56 | JdGordon | user configurable buttons in the bootloaders ftw ! |
08:21:24 | Llorean | hypo: You have to use iTunes, but that's something you're best simply reading the official manual for. |
08:21:45 | hypo | Llorean: =( ok thanks |
08:21:52 | hypo | thanks for all your help so far |
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08:35:43 | JdGordon | has anyone had a look at the cuesheet patchs? I think the one that puts it in the core could actually be commitable! |
08:36:49 | JdGordon | apart from its slightly excessive ram usage |
08:37:48 | Llorean | How much does it use? |
08:38:09 | JdGordon | 13KB just for the info which most of the time wouldnt be ful |
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08:38:28 | JdGordon | i'm tihking it might be annoying for hwcodec, but fine for sw |
08:40:50 | Llorean | Most of the time? |
08:41:36 | JdGordon | well, the maximum subtracks a legal .cue can have is 99, so 99x2x64 bytes are needed to store all that |
08:41:48 | JdGordon | but, usually much less that all 99 tracks would be used |
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08:41:58 | Llorean | Aaaah |
08:42:28 | * | JdGordon hopes Nico_P comes online tonigh |
08:45:34 | dan_a | scorche: Bit 8 isn't referred to in our code. That means that things are on which we didn't switch on, which in turn means that turning them off *might* do some good :) |
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08:48:44 | scorche | well, we will find out =) |
08:51:31 | scorche | dan_a: also, i was wondering that if i were to run the same build on a video, if it would be broken in some way due to the different hardware (excluding recording for this question) |
08:52:49 | dan_a | scorche: There is only one way to find out! What are you trying it on at the moment? |
08:53:09 | scorche | my nano |
08:56:52 | scorche | if bit 8 wasnt "switched on" in our code, does that mean that it is also likely that i turned some things on which dont stand a purpose other than to use up battery for our purposes with this build? |
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08:57:30 | markun | scorche: mpeg player is working on the Gigabeat now, it looks very good! |
08:57:54 | scorche | markun: so i see! (i am in that channel too and was in fact, about to comment on it) |
08:57:58 | markun | we had to disable some ARM assembly and now my 144x320 test movie runs at 55fps |
08:58:13 | Bagder | yay |
08:58:18 | scorche | wow |
08:58:41 | Bagder | hehe, and that's with disabled assembly :-) |
08:59:03 | markun | Yes, somehow it gave an 'unknown instruction' error |
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09:00:24 | Bagder | odd |
09:00:30 | scorche | it seems like this past month has been a good one for rockbox =) |
09:01:06 | Bagder | markun: so we're on track for a gigabeat cvs/daily build? |
09:01:43 | dan_a | scorche: I don't think you're likely to have turned anything on that you shouldn't have. We'll see what happens with the battery bench |
09:02:06 | markun | Bagder: I thought I made all the changes to my commit tree, but then I tried the resulting bootloader (just as a formality I thought) and it nearly bricked my player |
09:02:25 | markun | So it needs a little more testing |
09:02:33 | Bagder | ok |
09:02:42 | Bagder | I'm just eager to get more builds! ;-) |
09:02:49 | * | Llorean is curious what "Nearly Bricked" means :) |
09:03:03 | Bagder | a near-brick experience can be daunting |
09:03:05 | scorche | markun: speaking of, how hard is the gigabeat to brick? |
09:03:26 | markun | Llorean: It's what people in the forums call bricked :) |
09:03:39 | scorche | dan_a: may i ask why? (i am still trying to get into a glimpse of more of the lower lever stuff) |
09:03:43 | Llorean | Ah, so "It didn't work and I had to recover it?" |
09:03:50 | scorche | hehe |
09:04:18 | markun | Yes, needed to remove the HDD, boot up to generate a system error, reconnect the HDD (while the player was on!) and insert USB |
09:04:49 | Llorean | Whoa |
09:04:55 | markun | Toshiba's bootloader (in flash) only enters USB mode this way |
09:05:06 | Llorean | Weird |
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09:05:21 | markun | We've looked at the disassembly a long time but couldn't find any button compination or something like that |
09:05:43 | Llorean | At least there's a way, though |
09:05:45 | dan_a | scorche: I'm pretty sure that for that register, setting a bit to "1" enables that device, and "0" disables it. As long as you have only been setting things to 0, we should be OK |
09:06:34 | scorche | heh...i completely forgot that i was setting it all to 0... |
09:07:50 | * | scorche feels stupid |
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09:08:29 | markun | Bagder: and there has been some progress with audio playback, we're almost there. |
09:08:31 | amiconn | bah |
09:08:50 | * | amiconn hates NiMH batteries which lose 90% of their charge in 2 days :( |
09:08:51 | Bagder | markun: that is lovely to hear! |
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09:10:12 | dan_a | Well done markun and team! |
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09:13:33 | * | dan_a thinks he has found a bug in the Sansa flash driver |
09:13:43 | lex | usbhost doesn't work on sansa either? :o |
09:14:48 | dan_a | lex: USB in Rockbox doesn't work on any PortalPlayer target yet (Sansa, iPod, H10.) It's not an easy thing to do, but we've started on it. |
09:14:59 | lex | so then i read right |
09:15:15 | lex | i know it's hard but that's the second reason why i can't use only rockbox |
09:15:18 | Bagder | lex: we could use an extra pair of hands there... (hint hint) |
09:15:24 | lex | :) |
09:15:37 | lex | i can only program some php and vb... i guess i'm not useful to you :D |
09:15:41 | webguest99 | On the wiki page 'UiSimulator' (which has been edited recently), the names of the buttons for iriver should be changed: SELECT−−>NAVI, MODE−−>A-B, ON−−>PLAY, OFF−−>STOP. Could someone please do this as I don't have wiki account. |
09:16:06 | petur | then get one ;) |
09:16:07 | dan_a | lex: You mean you can only program some php and vb *at the moment* |
09:16:30 | lex | dan_a: at the moment, yes, but programming is not going to my life anymore as far as i see |
09:17:06 | lex | but now i need to take a shower -> |
09:19:18 | webguest99 | petur: for some reasons, a wouldn't do it |
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09:27:35 | martian67 | does anyone have a version of foo_pod that accually works? |
09:28:24 | martian67 | their link is down and i cant get it |
09:28:46 | martian67 | i found the o version on another website, but it dosent work, foobar craps out |
09:29:11 | Llorean | This is #rockbox... |
09:29:42 | martian67 | i kno, but alot of people use foo_pod to use a normal directory tree |
09:29:55 | martian67 | and still have it work in apple firmware |
09:30:17 | Llorean | Actually, the vast majority of people who speak in this channel don't use the apple firwmare |
09:30:33 | martian67 | Llorean: yes, but it is worth a shot ;P |
09:32:19 | scorche | not really |
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09:37:53 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Do you know what happened to the old 5.5g thread in New Ports? Do locked threads automatically disappear after a certain time? |
09:38:20 | myzar | hello linuxstb_ |
09:38:22 | myzar | hello scorche |
09:39:50 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I semi-removed it. It's in the "To be deleted" area, to see if anyone complains of its absence. |
09:40:07 | linuxstb_ | GodEater complained yesterday... |
09:40:10 | Llorean | linuxstb_: It didn't seem beneficial anymore, as far as I was aware, but I didn't want to delete it outright. |
09:40:24 | Llorean | What was he looking for in it? |
09:40:48 | linuxstb_ | I don't know, he just said it contained useful information. |
09:42:12 | Llorean | There shouldn't really be any information posted only in the forums. :( He should've used the wiki. Well, tell him to PM me with what he wants me to pull out of it, I assume it's 80gb related stuff, I can split those out then add them into the 80gb thread i suppose. |
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09:42:37 | * | tucoz just drops by to tell Bagder that the manual is buildable for the gigabeat as well |
09:42:49 | Bagder | ah, goodie |
09:42:51 | markun | tucoz: thanks! |
09:43:07 | tucoz | It is not a very fun read at the momen though |
09:43:11 | tucoz | markun: np |
09:43:27 | tucoz | not a single screenshot :) |
09:43:36 | martian67 | does anyone have a version of foo_pod that accually works? |
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09:44:48 | scorche | martian67: stop asking |
09:45:11 | martian67 | why? |
09:45:15 | Llorean | Your question is unrelated to Rockbox. |
09:45:38 | scorche | and therefore doesnt belong here |
09:47:51 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: What did you mean earlier when you said you were in favor of hold disabling USB detection? Were you talking about the bootloader or in Rockbox? |
09:48:32 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I liked the idea of "If hold is on, Rockbox boots like normal but does not go into USB mode" so that if you flipped the hold switch on, Car Adapter mode could work readily, instead of booting into USB mode on USB detection |
09:49:10 | martian67 | well once they get the remote protocal added in |
09:49:12 | Llorean | linuxstb_: But another rather simple solution is that if Car Adapter mode is on, it acts in the same way as if Menu were held down, charging rather rebooting to USB mode |
09:49:54 | Llorean | As far as I've noticed, it only ever enters USB mode in Rockbox anyway. |
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09:56:10 | markun | linuxstb_: the ARM version of CLIP in idct.c of the mpegplayer generates a invalid instruction error on the Gigabeat. Any idea why? The code looks so simple. |
09:57:08 | PaulJam | hi, i have a little question: is it intended, that rockbox creates an .m3u playlist instead of an . m3u8 playlist if you use the create playlist option in the menu? i thought rockbox uses unicode playlists now by default. |
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09:57:40 | markun | PaulJam: I think that's a bug then |
09:57:44 | JdGordon | PaulJam: did you create the playlist initially from a .m3u? |
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09:59:12 | dan_a | Bagder: Do you think your Sandisk contact might be able to approach AMS on our behalf, and have more luck than we have? Especially if you tell him that sound is the big difference between Rockbox on the Sansa and their main competition? |
09:59:33 | Bagder | I can try but I have no real hope |
09:59:49 | Bagder | I've asked numerous similar questions that remain unanswered |
09:59:56 | JdGordon | sansa must have the docs.. so you just need to convince someone there to pass them along... |
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10:00:05 | JdGordon | how much is in the rockbox fund atm :p |
10:00:10 | Llorean | Hahaha |
10:00:13 | Bagder | they don't necessarily have the docs |
10:00:20 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i navigated to the music directory and then used the create playlist option, there was no playlist there before (but i havent tried yet with a clean cvs build). |
10:00:22 | Bagder | they use the PP API |
10:00:42 | JdGordon | PaulJam: prob a bug then like markun said |
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10:03:53 | markun | PaulJam: I found the problem |
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10:04:25 | PaulJam | good :) |
10:06:03 | linuxstb | markun: No, I can't help with the CLIP() function. But I'm glad you found the problem. |
10:07:18 | myzar | hay Bagder |
10:07:35 | markun | PaulJam: fixed |
10:08:04 | PaulJam | thanks markun. |
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10:12:48 | amiconn | markun: CLIP() generates an invalid instruction error? That's just 2 instructions.... |
10:13:47 | amiconn | Are you able to find out which instruction actually causes the error? I'd expect it to not be one of the 2 instructions itself |
10:14:23 | amiconn | A disassembly, the .map file and the error address should be helpful |
10:15:37 | amiconn | The arm CLIP() is my work, and btw, the jpeg viewer uses the exact same clipping sequence |
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10:21:03 | Bagder | dan_a: you want a sansa with radio to try your radio work on? |
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10:24:08 | markun | amiconn: I didn't find the bug, I'll ask gotthardt because I don't have time now myself |
10:24:33 | markun | but I believe the instructions where at wildly different addresses depending on the movie I played |
10:24:42 | markun | were |
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10:45:14 | markun | PaulJam: can you update rockbox and check if it works now? |
10:46:23 | PaulJam | yes it works now (that was why i logged of, because i booted linux to compile). |
10:47:09 | markun | the search and iriverify plugins still use .m3u |
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10:48:51 | PaulJam | i don't know, i never use these. |
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11:17:32 | amiconn | markun: Does the jpeg viewer work on gigabeat? |
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11:19:21 | markun | amiconn: yes, works fine |
11:19:30 | markun | does it use the same code? |
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11:21:10 | PaulJam | could someone who is using a cvs build test something for me before i report the problem? open a textfile via the "open with" menu with the text editor while music is playing and then exit the editor by pressing stop (without changing the file). for me then playback stopps too. |
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11:38:27 | amiconn | markun: [10:15:36] <amiconn> The arm CLIP() is my work, and btw, the jpeg viewer uses the exact same clipping sequence |
11:38:50 | amiconn | See jpeg.c lines 222ff |
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12:32:40 | Llorean | Bagder: The SVN thing sounds good. |
12:33:21 | Bagder | goodie |
12:33:37 | Llorean | Makes sense to pick a date, and just get it over with. |
12:34:00 | Bagder | yeah, and just let things break if they do and then just fix them |
12:34:49 | amiconn | Bagder: Talking about fixing things - for some reason the cvs activity table doesn't use the full width of the browser window. |
12:34:52 | Llorean | Yep. You can't be 100% prepared no matter what you do, but you can always fix things. |
12:35:13 | * | Bagder put a 2GB US sansa in an envelope and wrote dan_a's address on it |
12:36:18 | Bagder | amiconn: that seems to be what the browser does, I don't see how we cause that to happen |
12:37:14 | amiconn | I think that it's caused by the sponsors table being right aligned within the single right-hand cell of the main table |
12:37:19 | Llorean | It looks like it's being stopped by the sponsors bar. |
12:38:08 | amiconn | I wonder why the rockbox site still (mis)uses tables for layout when it already uses cvs for many things |
12:38:33 | Llorean | CSS you mean? |
12:38:38 | Bagder | because we think other things are more important |
12:38:41 | amiconn | yes |
12:39:27 | amiconn | With my high-res screen the table width is not a real problem, but with smaller screens it probably is |
12:39:27 | habana | Can anyone confirm/dismiss this answer ? i have a big doubt http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg60966#msg60966 |
12:39:48 | Llorean | I don't even know what you're saying there. |
12:40:00 | Llorean | Are you saying someone suggested that, or has already done that? |
12:41:40 | habana | not sure but when i readed IRC log, think i saw something of this kind |
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12:43:36 | Llorean | The idea behind the bootloader is to generally be fast, a graphical bootloader is somewhat the opposite idea. |
12:44:02 | pixelma | Bagder: there are _no_ </p> tags in the rockbox front page (as seen be my browsers) |
12:44:21 | habana | please google "19.26.32 # <Gnelik> char items[MENU_COUNT][256];" |
12:44:27 | amiconn | They're not required in HTML4.0 transitional... |
12:44:51 | Bagder | perhaps putting that sponsor thing within a <div> or something will make a difference |
12:45:23 | amiconn | For some reason validator.w3.org complains abot a missing </table>, but I can't see which one is missing |
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12:45:49 | BetaCookies | AHH |
12:45:57 | BetaCookies | Something happened and my rockbox bootloader got eaten! |
12:46:47 | Llorean | habana: All he says is that he has an idea that Rockbox should have a graphical bootloader. Many people have suggested this. |
12:46:51 | JdGordon_ | Bagder: i like the idea of setting a date, but youve icked an odd one... does europe have the chrimas/new years holiday? I would have that that week would be better then the 8th because people wouldnt has as much real world commitments? (of course, i could be very wrong) ? |
12:47:38 | Bagder | I picked a date that would suit me |
12:47:40 | Bagder | ;-) |
12:47:43 | Llorean | Hehehe |
12:47:45 | habana | Llorean:ok, thanks.so i replace "made" by "suggested" |
12:48:23 | JdGordon_ | fair enough :) |
12:48:31 | pixelma | ...and in the left site menu the input box sticks at the "search" header - that doesn't happen in the wiki sites - *shrug* |
12:48:39 | * | Llorean thinks a date good for Bagder is a good idea, considering who's going to end up with a good chunk of work relating to it. |
12:48:45 | * | JdGordon_ wonders if http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/scripts/svn2html.pl would be useful? |
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12:49:30 | Llorean | pixelma: Our menu bar is also very slightly different for the forums too. I tried tinkering with it, but it was unfriendly. |
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12:51:11 | Bagder | JdGordon_: is there any sample output somewhere? |
12:51:26 | JdGordon_ | Bagder: no idea, first hit on google for svn2html |
12:51:29 | JdGordon_ | Nico_P |
12:51:31 | JdGordon_ | bah |
12:51:35 | Nico_P | JdGordon_: hi |
12:51:37 | Bagder | but yeah, it looks like a good script |
12:51:40 | JdGordon_ | Nico_P: hey, i tried your patch and i love it |
12:51:44 | Nico_P | :) |
12:51:55 | JdGordon_ | only problem is its excessive ram usage |
12:52:08 | Nico_P | which part is using too much ram ? |
12:52:17 | JdGordon_ | the track info structure |
12:52:25 | Nico_P | the gloabl struct cuesheet ? |
12:52:26 | * | JdGordon_ brb, rebotting into linux |
12:52:36 | Nico_P | ok |
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12:52:59 | Llorean | What happens if you insert more than one cuesheet? |
12:53:10 | Llorean | Or is it only used when the cuesheet itself is active? |
12:53:42 | Nico_P | Llorean: that's a good question, I've thought about it but not tested it yet... I think it should work.. only the current cuesheet is loaded |
12:54:31 | habana | Llorean:concerning the graphical GUi, i must admit i often push left button 1/2 sec too late and boot on ... nothing. Or on the bad firmware by error. |
12:54:34 | Llorean | My original suggestion re cuesheets was simply not to use them in playlists, and treat a .cue as a special case playlist in its own right. |
12:55:33 | Llorean | Nico_P: How 'bout a maximum_sections_in_cue style variable, much like the max files in folders one, so that users can decrease the memory used by CUE (or even disable it, which could be the default, so there's no cost to non-users up front)? |
12:55:35 | Nico_P | Llorean: In the patch, cuesheets are added as single tracks and the track skipping is done in the WPS or in the cuesheet viewer |
12:55:46 | * | Llorean has looked at the patch, and how it does it. :) |
12:55:49 | Llorean | I'm happy with your way too. |
12:55:55 | Nico_P | :) |
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12:57:03 | Nico_P | Llorean: having a max sections value is a good idea |
12:57:14 | Llorean | habana: The solution would be a longer term to pick up the keypress, rather than slowing down how long it takes to boot. |
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12:58:03 | Nico_P | but isn't there a way to have it a little more dynamic (Bagder ?) |
12:58:05 | JdGordon | damn fsck! |
12:58:28 | Llorean | JdGordon: I suggested while you were gone that it have a Max Sections in Cue menu entry, like the files in folders, allowing it to be set from 0-99 (0 disabling it entirely and freeing up the memory, which I think would serve best as default since Cue users are probably not the majority) |
12:59:39 | JdGordon | im glad this was brought up.... i was looking at Bagder's site and found his malloc library.... How about adding that in for swcodec with a user settable buffer size to be used by the more obscure settings? |
12:59:59 | JdGordon | for instance.. the cue buffer.. |
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13:01:11 | Nico_P | that would be nice |
13:01:23 | Nico_P | it would also be helpful for album art |
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13:01:51 | Nico_P | JdGordon: could you point me to that lib ? |
13:02:07 | JdGordon | give it by default a 1mb buffer, if people dont want any features it allows then the et it to 0 and the malloc calls fail so that feature is disabled.. |
13:02:35 | JdGordon | Nico_P: http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/dbestfit/ |
13:02:44 | JdGordon | Bagder: what do yo think? |
13:02:54 | lamed | hello guys!! I just got my second hand h340 from paypal and i'm so exicteD!!! someone please let me know fast if they both using the same adaptors except the bigger jack (I mean the h1x0 series and the h3x0) |
13:03:23 | Llorean | lamed: I've heard they're different, but I'm not 100% sure. |
13:04:21 | lamed | I know they are both 5v for 100%, and I don't care about polarity because the h340 has a polarity icon so i know I'm ok with it. |
13:04:29 | lamed | I'm just reffering to mah |
13:04:51 | petur | mah shouldn't matter |
13:05:00 | habana | Llorean: Could you point me where i should search for a mod to make "left=original" + "right=rockbox" with no action if not selected ? |
13:06:01 | habana | meaning to do it myself |
13:06:06 | lamed | petur |
13:06:28 | lamed | using a totally different adaptor, I could brick it |
13:06:48 | lamed | by making the battry too warm/explode |
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13:07:13 | Llorean | habana: I don't believe such a mod exists. |
13:07:21 | petur | voltage and polarity should be the same, mAh should be at least the amount needed |
13:07:44 | lamed | yeah i'm afraid to go over! |
13:07:52 | petur | using an adapter with more mAh should be no problem |
13:08:08 | JdGordon | noone wants to talk about malloc in th core? :'( |
13:08:08 | petur | the unit will only consume the current it needs |
13:08:13 | lamed | and if it's not enough = no charge? |
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13:08:41 | habana | Llorean:i may try to change that but dont know witch file to hack. Will look tonight in my cvs devel dir |
13:08:42 | petur | if it's not enough, the voltage will drop and the adfaptor itself will overheat probably |
13:09:05 | lamed | so I'm OK if i connect an ac-dc adaptor that gives 4.5V with the correct polarity? |
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13:09:43 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'd love to have one |
13:09:44 | petur | yes, I used a no name brand adapter that gave 4.5V and correct polarity last week, no issues |
13:10:07 | lamed | ->going on ac -> |
13:10:16 | lamed | yey! on |
13:10:21 | lamed | weee |
13:10:35 | petur | first charge? |
13:10:59 | lamed | IT PLAYS MUSIC! i'm impressed! (170 USD, looks totally new, from ebay) |
13:11:32 | petur | nice, congrats |
13:12:20 | lamed | tt, I think the battery is dead. how long is a recharge cycle on the h340? |
13:12:42 | petur | at least 2 hours I think |
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13:13:03 | petur | mine is getting old too |
13:13:05 | markun | lamed: you can buy a better battery for a few dollars on ebay (from hong kong) |
13:13:26 | lamed | tt, I've got a brand new on my h120 |
13:13:38 | lamed | (bricked: hd problems) |
13:13:43 | * | petur runs off again |
13:14:31 | lamed | hmmm, iriver's fw is nice, I think i'd better keep it. _not_ |
13:14:41 | JdGordon | Nico_P: does your cue patch let you have as many .cues in a playlist as you want? |
13:14:41 | markun | :) |
13:15:02 | lamed | what's USB conn. mode (desktop or Hub) doing? |
13:15:09 | Nico_P | JdGordon: well it won't prevent it, but i'm not sure it will work well |
13:15:09 | JdGordon | Nico_P: oh, and to remove the archos build failure add id3.h in the includes |
13:15:27 | Nico_P | oh no, stupid me |
13:16:03 | lamed | that guy's music sucks |
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13:17:02 | pill | is there a way to plug an ipod and not start charging? |
13:17:58 | lamed | is there a way to plug an h340 and start charging while playing music? (instead of using an ac adaptor) |
13:18:32 | Llorean | pill: Why would you want it to not charge while plugged in? |
13:18:36 | Llorean | lamed: I think hold record. |
13:18:42 | pill | because i want want to kill my battery |
13:18:54 | pill | every time i plug it for like 1 minute |
13:19:03 | lamed | Llorean: when? |
13:19:04 | pill | i dont want* |
13:19:23 | Llorean | pill: Why would you think plugging it in for a minute or two would be damaging your battery? |
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13:19:34 | Llorean | lamed: Hold record while plugging in the cable, I believe, again I'm not 100% sure |
13:19:34 | pill | becasue it starts charging |
13:19:48 | Llorean | pill: Yes, it's a lithium ion battery, which does not suffer from memory effect. |
13:19:51 | Slasheri | li-batteries don't have the "memory effect" |
13:19:53 | pill | and even if liion does not suffer from memory effect as much as nicd |
13:19:57 | pill | it still does |
13:20:13 | Slasheri | so charging it a bit wont damage it |
13:20:19 | lamed | Llorean: it just went on usb mode for the first time... up until holding record it started playing music but didn't looked like it was recharging |
13:20:41 | pill | still, i would like to have the choice |
13:21:10 | pill | it's the reason i'm still hesitant to mod my ihp-120 to charge over usb as well |
13:21:20 | Slasheri | pill: NiCd suffers the most from memory effect, NiMH a bit and LiIon not at all (at least that it would affect the lifetime) |
13:21:35 | Nico_P | JdGordon: thanks, now it seems to compile fine on all targets :) |
13:21:55 | JdGordon | :) |
13:22:09 | Slasheri | pill: the best way to kill li-battery is to completely discharge it |
13:22:21 | pill | yeah i know |
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13:22:25 | Llorean | pill: It would be impossible to prevent charging on H120 since it is hardware controlled. Probably also true to an extent on iPod. But lithium ion does not suffer from memory effect. |
13:22:34 | lamed | (just like rb liked to do) |
13:23:31 | pill | hm |
13:23:37 | pill | okay then |
13:23:41 | pill | thanks for replying :) |
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13:24:00 | pill | now if only some wizard could decrypt the nano 2G firmware |
13:24:05 | pill | :) |
13:24:08 | pill | oh well |
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13:31:36 | Bagder | so the table is not full-width even if I do the sponsor thing entirely in css |
13:32:12 | JdGordon | it is, but the sponsors are shown wrong p |
13:32:34 | Llorean | JdGordon: hit refresh |
13:32:39 | Llorean | Your browser's cached the CSS |
13:32:48 | JdGordon | hmm |
13:33:04 | Bagder | uh, I found it |
13:33:13 | Bagder | and it is fixed |
13:33:22 | JdGordon | all hail Bagder :D |
13:33:47 | Llorean | Hehe |
13:34:04 | JdGordon | the long commit messages are slightly less painful to read no :D |
13:34:14 | Nico_P | yay, well done |
13:34:49 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I did some testing with a second cuesheet... it almost works but not quite :( |
13:35:07 | JdGordon | you'll figure it out... whats the problem? |
13:35:45 | Nico_P | well when there are two cuesheets in immediate succession, when the second is loaded its data erases that of the currently playing one |
13:35:53 | Nico_P | which leads to confusion in the playback engine |
13:36:15 | Nico_P | i'll try to find a way to correct that but i'm catching a plane soon so not now :) |
13:36:53 | Nico_P | Bagder: have you rad what we were saying about having a malloc in the core ? |
13:37:37 | * | JdGordon wishes his perl and html skills didnt suck so much |
13:38:07 | * | amiconn searched for a wav tagging standard, and found this: |
13:38:21 | amiconn | http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/TagNames/WAV.html http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/1166005.asp |
13:38:51 | Bagder | Nico_P: to use a malloc you first need a chunk of memory to use as heap, where would that come from? |
13:38:55 | amiconn | RIFF INFO chunks... |
13:39:06 | JdGordon | Bagder: audiobuffer |
13:39:23 | Bagder | ... which you can only claim at boot time, right? |
13:39:28 | JdGordon | yeah |
13:39:38 | JdGordon | malloc would be given a buffer ti can use, user settable |
13:39:54 | JdGordon | so, only stuff which is more obscure would use it |
13:40:07 | JdGordon | and it wouldnt be on low-mem targets at all |
13:40:18 | Bagder | but you'd have to require a reboot, right? |
13:40:21 | amiconn | malloc is evil... |
13:40:29 | Nico_P | hmm |
13:40:39 | Bagder | and how would these "obscure" things use the malloc? |
13:40:58 | Nico_P | so for example here, what would be the smart way to avoid wasting memory when not using cuesheets ? |
13:41:11 | JdGordon | stuff like cue support, atm it needs either 30kb or lots of fie reads to work properly |
13:41:17 | Bagder | in rockbox you either have the memory or you don't |
13:41:27 | * | amiconn wonders what happened to the metadata-on-buffer idea |
13:41:34 | * | Nico_P too |
13:41:41 | Bagder | yeah, that sounds like the better answer to this too |
13:42:28 | JdGordon | what im suggesting is that malloc be given a buffer on boot (say, 1mb, but cutomizable) then calls to malloc would be given ram from that buffer.. |
13:42:32 | Nico_P | ok, so no easy solutio |
13:42:54 | amiconn | Metadata on buffer would both solve problems when there are many small tracks, and reduce memory waste when there are only large tracks |
13:43:36 | habana | did somemone ever used tortoiseCVS ? |
13:43:43 | JdGordon | and allowing dynamic memory would allow more features which use a bit of ram that not everyone uses, like cue and AA and such |
13:44:09 | Bagder | still not as good as the on-buffer approach imo |
13:44:20 | amiconn | Dynamic memory would create more probelms than it would ever be able to solve |
13:44:29 | JdGordon | only if it was misused |
13:44:35 | Nico_P | so now we need to try to make metadata on buffer happen :) |
13:45:02 | Nico_P | Bagder: in the mean time, are you considering the cuesheet patch for inclusion in CVS ? |
13:46:07 | Bagder | don't count on me for that, no |
13:46:27 | Bagder | there's a reason I've not committed anything in ages |
13:46:45 | Nico_P | what is it ? |
13:48:41 | amiconn | JdGordon: The problem is that rockbox uses memory in the opposite way than a desktop OS. On a desktop OS memory is free to start with, and applications allocate from the free pool. The philosophy is that there is always enough free memory, hence an allocation failing is a rare case (which still must be checked for) |
13:48:53 | Nico_P | ok, nevermind, i have to go catch my plane :) |
13:48:55 | Nico_P | bye |
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13:49:32 | amiconn | But rockbox uses as much memory as it can (to save disk spinups), and every malloc buffer set aside is a (bad) compromise |
13:50:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: right, I get that, but if rules are enforced as to what can actually use malloc? Im not suggesting replace every buffer with it, only obscure stuff whih can use excessive amounts, and not be used often |
13:50:20 | amiconn | Also, the checks for failed allocations make the code considerably more complex, without a real benefit |
13:51:15 | amiconn | Quite the opposite can happen: an allocation failing might cause strange behaviour, or a feature refusing to work under certain conditions... |
13:51:33 | amiconn | I wouldn't want my rockboxed device to display a memory error... |
13:52:25 | amiconn | Plugins might use their own malloc if they have to. Plugins which need such things stop playback anyway |
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13:54:17 | JdGordon | Like I said, I'm only requesting it for obscure features, and they would fail gracefully if the malloc failed, the res of the core wouldnt care about it. |
13:55:00 | Llorean | But which features can't be implemented in some better way? |
13:55:18 | Llorean | So far, both Album Art and Cue Sheets are solved potentially more effectively with metadata on buffer. |
13:56:29 | JdGordon | multi fonts? langs? I don't know.... |
13:56:53 | JdGordon | although, both would be able to be done at boot anyway |
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14:04:25 | * | linuxstb doesn't want Rockbox to "fail gracefully". Any failure is ungraceful... |
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14:04:49 | JdGordon | not fail gracefully... just the feature would be disabled |
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14:24:16 | JdGordon | speaking of useless features which would be nice to have... anyone not like fs 2885?- ignore the in sort order |
14:26:29 | Llorean | I don't see why that needs to take up code space, at least for filetree. |
14:26:41 | Bagder | I agree with Llorean |
14:26:43 | Llorean | Maybe a feature of TagCache (though I'd prefer simply using the sort-by tags) |
14:27:25 | JdGordon | meh, its a pretty small patch, and could proabbly be shrunk a bit more |
14:27:38 | Llorean | Small denotes non-zero size. |
14:27:40 | Llorean | :-P |
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14:28:03 | Llorean | Seriously though, what does it add that can't be achieved by simply naming files with ", The" at the end? |
14:28:06 | * | JdGordon reminds Llorean the swcodec platforms have ample space for silly features |
14:28:22 | JdGordon | thats a PITA to do tho |
14:28:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ample space still reduces the audio buffer a byte at a time. :-P |
14:28:25 | JdGordon | but your right |
14:28:28 | Bagder | and then comes sorting on the "actual" number without needing zero-prefix... |
14:28:35 | Bagder | and then comes sorting on native language order |
14:28:37 | Bagder | and then ... |
14:28:40 | Llorean | Hehehe |
14:29:00 | JdGordon | ok then, close it as rejected? |
14:29:17 | Bagder | IMO, yes |
14:29:18 | Llorean | That's my vote, at least |
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14:30:52 | piquadrat | Hi...I'm writing a plugin for rockbox and was wondering if there is a straightforward way to display a menu |
14:31:02 | JdGordon | rb->menu_show |
14:31:34 | JdGordon | piquadrat: text_editor.c down the bottom has a nice menu example if you need |
14:31:56 | piquadrat | I'll have a look, thanks |
14:33:04 | pixelma | JdGordon: speaking of the text_editor menu... why does its menu have blank lines in between the rows that you also have to navigate through? ( |
14:33:34 | pixelma | you don't skip them) |
14:33:44 | JdGordon | because imo it makes it easier to see the different options (which are not related), |
14:33:58 | JdGordon | or are you askin whyt hey arnt skipped automgically? |
14:34:11 | pixelma | both |
14:36:02 | JdGordon | should they be removed? easier than adding a callback to skip them |
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14:37:58 | pixelma | I'd prefer if the were skipped (thinking of the small screens too) - but that's only my opinion |
14:38:10 | pixelma | errr... removed |
14:38:30 | bluebrother | why not extend the menu to allow small lines between items? |
14:38:41 | Slasheri | JdGordon: or adding real support for "separators" to the gui code |
14:38:43 | * | bluebrother ducks and runs |
14:39:18 | JdGordon | hmm... what sort of seperators would be nice? just a blank line? |
14:39:39 | Slasheri | probably just a short thing line would do it |
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14:40:01 | Slasheri | and a little spacing between the items and the line |
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14:40:12 | Slasheri | *thin |
14:40:25 | JdGordon | I dont think that would work too well with the rest of the list code |
14:40:54 | Fuke | excuse me, does anyone know of a RockBOX alternative for Zen - I can't find anything |
14:41:02 | JdGordon | using a full row would be fine, but adding a line between and moving rows down would be complucated |
14:41:02 | Fuke | sorry to disturb :) |
14:41:06 | Slasheri | Fuke: there is not any |
14:41:15 | Fuke | heh okay.. thanks ! |
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14:41:24 | Slasheri | unless you go and implement one |
14:41:24 | JdGordon | complicated == not worth the effort |
14:41:33 | Fuke | have a nice day. and keep up the magnificent work on rockbox ! |
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14:43:22 | Isotopp | hi. a friend of mine as an ipod where the "lock" switch is defective (always locked). is there a way to disable locking with rockbox? |
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14:44:06 | Slasheri | Isotopp: probably it would be easier to open the ipod and fix / remove the hold switch |
14:44:29 | Slasheri | i think booting up is not possible if hold is on |
14:47:33 | JdGordon | anyone with an ipod handy bored? I want to try a minor fix t the iipod keymaps to allow a-b to be usable.... |
14:48:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: what did you come up with? just curious as the Ondio doesn't have a-b repeat for the same reasons... |
14:49:17 | JdGordon | play+left/right... that shhuold work unless there is a hardware problem stopping that combo? |
14:49:22 | habana | do someone know wich file to hack if i want to change the rockbox/original firmware boot order ? |
14:49:31 | JdGordon | might be a bit fidly, but better than nothing |
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14:50:50 | JdGordon | habana: which target? |
14:52:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: e200 |
14:52:50 | JdGordon | then no idea |
14:54:00 | JdGordon | well... does e200 use bootloader/main-pp.c ? probably a quick hack there if it does |
14:54:32 | JdGordon | just change the == to != in line 214 shodl do it |
14:57:27 | JdGordon | pixelma: what about this for targets without enough buttons... when a-b mode is set, the first press of menu sets the A spot, then 2nd sets B and the 3rd clears? similar to h300 OF |
14:58:19 | habana | JdGordon:sansa |
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14:58:57 | habana | thanks, ill see that |
14:59:03 | JdGordon | habana: my guess is my messages above (below Llorean), but i could be wrong about the file |
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15:03:26 | linuxstb | bootloader/SOURCES will tell you which files are used for the different targets |
15:03:52 | habana | thx |
15:05:00 | pixelma | JdGordon: hmm... sounds like a plan (atm I can't imagine how usable it is though - would have to try). Just make sure that it is a short press of menu because you'd still need to enter the wps context menu with a long press of menu (mode on Ondio) to disable a-b mode again... |
15:05:53 | pixelma | speaking of trying... I still run a menu settings patched build, is there any progress on that? |
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15:05:59 | * | pixelma runs too |
15:06:17 | JdGordon | no, ive lost interest again :p next week |
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15:08:03 | JdGordon | shuold the 3rd press disable a-b mode? that would make chosing the button easier.. |
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15:16:32 | * | JdGordon is a dill.... editing a patched tree :'( |
15:16:48 | JdGordon | pixelma: wanna test this out? |
15:17:35 | JdGordon | to disable a-b mode does ti only involve setting global_settings.repeat_mode? |
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15:18:16 | pixelma | yes I would test |
15:18:25 | JdGordon | ondio? |
15:18:44 | pixelma | OndioFm |
15:19:29 | JdGordon | ab mode isnt defined at all for ondio... |
15:21:00 | JdGordon | hmmm.... the ondio wouldnt work so well... still need a usable button |
15:21:16 | JdGordon | unless we use up or down? |
15:21:47 | pixelma | hmm? I thought about the ab-mode you described... |
15:21:48 | JdGordon | cant use browse.. |
15:22:12 | JdGordon | we could use browse.. but that would disable it in a-b mode.. |
15:22:20 | JdGordon | is that acceptable? |
15:22:51 | pixelma | I'm a bit confused now... |
15:22:56 | JdGordon | unless i add a double click for the regular button |
15:23:10 | JdGordon | :) its 1.20am here.. im allowd to be confusing |
15:23:21 | * | JdGordon goes to complicate things further |
15:27:04 | pixelma | well the only acceptable button for it would be "mode" when ab-repeat is set (as you suggested first press sets point A, second press sets point B, third press clears point (maybe disable ab-repeat again) the others should behave as usual (volume and seeking) |
15:27:12 | pixelma | for me |
15:27:24 | JdGordon | BUTTON_MENU ? |
15:29:11 | pixelma | should be (don't forget the BUTTON_REL) |
15:30:01 | JdGordon | what im trying to do is still give access to the standard feature of the button with a double click... hopefully the _REL doesnt get in the way of that |
15:30:58 | pixelma | though I don't know how confusing it is to not be able to get to the browser then... |
15:33:45 | pixelma | ah.. ok (there already is a double-click of menu in the radio screen - so it should be possible) |
15:34:17 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/5UKoa431.html is the patch.. its givign me a compile error and im too tired t see why.. it shuold work |
15:35:38 | JdGordon | haha, /me tired |
15:36:46 | * | JdGordon shold not code after midnight |
15:37:05 | pixelma | shouldn't there be differences in the keymap file, too ? |
15:37:13 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/VvPq9Q76.html is the workign one |
15:37:20 | JdGordon | no, its done in the confid-target.h |
15:37:36 | JdGordon | that way its easier to choose which button depending on the target |
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15:44:00 | JdGordon | pixelma: does it work? |
15:44:37 | pixelma | I'm not sure if the patch applied cleanly (updated cvs before) |
15:44:50 | pixelma | patching file firmware/export/config-ondiofm.h; patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line; Hunk #1 succeeded at 18 with fuzz 2. |
15:45:00 | JdGordon | thats ok |
15:45:06 | JdGordon | odd.. but ok |
15:47:32 | JdGordon | I'm wondering if the 3rd press shouold need a double click to reset, that might be slightly confusing, but less prone to accidentaly losing the markers |
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15:51:58 | pixelma | urgh... I've not compiled an own build for a while and aI'm not sure if it is this patch - but rombox is broken in the patched build I just compiled... |
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15:52:36 | JdGordon | hmm... compilnig it here to check |
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15:53:03 | phlite | hi guys, i posted to the forum, i'm in a jam, after installing the rockbox firmware and rebooting my ipod 2nd gen mini is sitting at the apple logo, hasn't moved in 12 hrs :( |
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15:54:01 | JdGordon | pixelma: damn, yeah, it breacks rombox |
15:54:12 | JdGordon | by 248 bytes! |
15:54:54 | pixelma | hmm.. it says 288 here... |
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15:55:10 | JdGordon | my gcc versio is better :p |
15:55:27 | phlite | any idea how to fix this? |
15:55:48 | JdGordon | phlite: try forcing a reset? |
15:56:01 | phlite | JdGordon: i did, i reset and it does the same thing :( |
15:56:11 | JdGordon | :'( I dunno |
15:56:24 | phlite | fack |
15:57:02 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, im going to bed, i'll hopefully try this on an ipod tomorow, guess we wont enable it for the ondio if it does work |
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15:58:28 | pixelma | ok... I'll give you a report later |
15:59:41 | phlite | i'm sure someone has had this issue b4? |
15:59:48 | linuxstb | phlite: Force it into disk mode - reset using MENU+SELECT, then immediately press SELECT+PLAY |
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16:01:28 | phlite | crap thats not workin |
16:02:10 | phlite | at which point to you hit select+play ? after the apple goes away? |
16:02:36 | phlite | sweet got it! |
16:02:37 | linuxstb | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 |
16:02:45 | phlite | in disk mode ... few |
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16:03:04 | phlite | but what went wrong any idea? |
16:03:13 | phlite | to cause this? |
16:03:21 | phlite | couldn't find any faq on problems |
16:03:45 | linuxstb | Which install instructions did you follow? |
16:04:14 | pixelma | JdGordon|zzz: ab-mode is set (as statusbar tells me) - double-click doesn't seem to work (only toggles browser and wps) |
16:04:22 | phlite | sec lemme grab em |
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16:05:21 | phlite | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
16:05:29 | pixelma | JdGordon|zzz: but it repeats the whole song (like repeat one) |
16:05:41 | linuxstb | phlite: Read the first paragraph in section 2.2.2 and follow the link to the new set of instructions, and then follow those (after restoring your ipod with itunes). |
16:05:44 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - If you ever have like 5 minutes, would you quickly browse to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/H10InstallationBeta and tell me 1) why it doesn't show as a link in the wiki change table and 2)if you see anything obviously un-manual like. ? pretty please. |
16:06:13 | linuxstb | 1) is probably because you need to refresh the twiki cache - there's a link at the bottom of the page. |
16:06:31 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Ahh, let's try. |
16:07:07 | phlite | linuxstb: ok i'll follow em, are those instructions borked? i thought i followed them correctly |
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16:07:47 | linuxstb | The old instructions work (people have been using them for a year), but it's easy to mistype something or miss a step, and then you need to restore your ipod. The new install instructions are simpler and less error-prone. |
16:07:59 | phlite | ok, so my bad eh? |
16:08:09 | phlite | dam thought i followed them correctly, guess not heh |
16:08:13 | linuxstb | Yes :) But you're far from the first... |
16:08:33 | PaulPosition | Linuxstb - Hmm, no deal. Maybe because I haven't set any parent or something like this? I'm quite the newb to wiki concept. |
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16:09:24 | Myth1 | hi guys |
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16:09:39 | PaulPosition | linuxstb- It's no big deal anyway, I can link to it from any other wiki page and/or go there using a hard link or the search box atop the wiki so.. |
16:09:56 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Ah, I see what you mean now... But I don't know the answer. |
16:10:23 | Myth1 | What was the bitdepth of the rockbox soundbuffer? Unfortunately I forgot :( |
16:10:30 | linuxstb | So if you type H10InstallationBeta in another wiki page, it's automatically made a link? |
16:10:52 | PaulPosition | Hey Barry.. Whenever you feel like it, have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/H10InstallationBeta and modify/add/erase whatever you think should or shouldn't be merged back into the manual.. |
16:10:55 | Myth1 | was ist 32 bits or just 24 bits? |
16:11:21 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - well I went with [[H10InstallationBeta]] but I (guess?) it would work without the brakets.. |
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16:12:00 | linuxstb | Myth1: All DSP processing is done on a 32-bit buffer IIUC. It's then converted to 16-bit for output to the DAC. |
16:12:11 | Myth1 | ah, 32bit. ok thanks ;) |
16:12:50 | PaulPosition | Barrywardell - (In particular things like insisting (perhaps too much) on creating a backup, or small bit of information about original firmware, that weren't part of the original manual entries. ) |
16:15:13 | barrywardell | i'll have a look at it now |
16:16:34 | PaulPosition | barrywardell - Also feel free to correct 'me english vriting'.. Lacking vocabulary, I tend to paraphrase concepts in way too many words, and having learnt english through movies and games, my language is a bit on the 'familiar' side. :) |
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16:27:23 | phlite | linuxstb: hi, so does ipod need to be in disk mode to start the install? |
16:27:35 | phlite | linuxstb: didn't see that mentioned so maybe not? |
16:29:41 | PaulPosition | Anyone knows who created the vmware image? Will it need to be updated for it to work with (soon to descend upon us) SVN instead of cvs? |
16:32:35 | linuxstb | phlite: Yes, but it should automatically go into disk mode when you plug it in (assuming your ipod is functioning normally, which is a prerequisite for installing Rockbox). |
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16:36:34 | phlite | linuxstb: ok, thx |
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16:36:54 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: It's a debian image, so typing "apt-get install svn" should be all that's needed. But yes, it makes sense for someone to update it... |
16:38:04 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Cool, I wasn't sure even such basic functionality as apt-get would work. Guess I don't know much about linux. |
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16:52:31 | nudelyn | Ignore "the" patch rejected because it does nothing you can't already do by renaming your files? ... Nothing except avoid truely hideous filenames like "Beatles, The" perhaps. :) |
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16:55:19 | PaulPosition | I gotta agree that the reject of this patch surprised me.. I mean, here is a 'feature' that most any media player program has (not to mention maybe even certain OSes)... |
16:56:44 | ctaylorr | hmm...but would there be benefit to being able to turn this feature on/off? If not, then just renaming the files could work. The name wouldn't be hideous if you just removed the The entirely. |
16:56:53 | amiconn | Imho the biggest problem with ignoring "the" is that it's english centric |
16:57:06 | Bagder | and an esoteric feature |
16:57:12 | PaulPosition | amiconn - Now that's a good answer. |
16:57:12 | amiconn | That too |
16:57:29 | nudelyn | that's why i suggested the lsit of prefixes should be user definable, or tied to a language file |
16:57:50 | nudelyn | preferably user definable since people may have music from multiple languages |
16:57:55 | amiconn | What if we were going to add common article ignoring for all 20+ languages rockbox supports? |
16:58:04 | * | linuxstb names his files "...., The" and tags them "The ...." and doesn't find the file browsing hideous |
16:58:05 | amiconn | (like der/die/das in german etc) |
16:58:05 | nudelyn | you don't have to. the user can. |
16:58:15 | ctaylorr | I'm not lange specialist, but is the equivalent of `the' always leading? |
16:58:38 | nudelyn | another way to do it is support a SortAs tag but AFAIK there isn't a standard one |
16:58:40 | ctaylorr | If not, you may have to parse the filename's grammar to do this properly. |
16:58:42 | Bagder | I've never even dreamed of sorting my "the" artists other than with "the" first |
16:58:44 | PaulPosition | esoteric? I gotta admit that I have, here on my shelf, 12" The Beatles record AND 12" Beatles records.. Which is right, which isn't? |
16:58:53 | nudelyn | so "The Beatles" woudl Sort As "Beatles" |
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16:59:18 | Bagder | PaulPosition: it is your job to use the same name all over |
16:59:20 | amiconn | Then either leave out the article for all of them or add it to all of them |
16:59:22 | Bagder | its not bound to "the" or not |
16:59:33 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: Say you renamed all of your The Beatles mp3s to beatles...would you ever think ``damn...wish I could rename it back'' at a later time? |
16:59:41 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: probably not. |
16:59:49 | amiconn | What about 'a'? |
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17:00:10 | nudelyn | I wouldn't rename them to that because the bands name is "The Beatles", not "Beatles. But I want them under B because there's 10,000 other things that are sorted under The otherwise. :) |
17:00:38 | PaulPosition | But it's not like I care much about "the", I was more into asking wether it was the patch or the feature_request that got closed? In a general way, are patch that won't ever go into cvs closed like this (and removed from the 'share' pool) ? |
17:00:39 | nudelyn | I also remove A, although at first I didn't like that I got used to it when the Karma (and also iPod I think, not sure) started removing it for sorting purposes. |
17:01:07 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Closed/rejected patches are still available, nothing gets deleted from the tracker. |
17:01:07 | nudelyn | Now I'm used to going to "P" for A Perfect Circle, but it was strange at first. |
17:01:12 | ctaylorr | if their name is The Beatles, then sorting without The is just arbitrary. Why not leave out A or An, ... |
17:01:37 | PaulPosition | linuxstb: Ah thanks, that makes much more sense than what I feared... :) |
17:01:43 | nudelyn | because "The" isn't a very important part of their name and *lots* of band names start with The, so you end up with everything in one place which isn't very useful. |
17:02:04 | Bagder | in one place? |
17:02:33 | Bagder | in one of my genre dir I have 158 artists, and 4 of them start with 'the' |
17:02:35 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: And renaming doesn't work because ... |
17:02:36 | nudelyn | you might end up with 25 bands all listed under "T" |
17:02:42 | * | amiconn would find it rather odd to leave out 'the' from "The Knife" |
17:02:51 | nudelyn | because "Beatles, The" is fugly. |
17:03:05 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: Why not just Beatles (remove the The) |
17:03:11 | nudelyn | It's like roll calls sorted Surname, Firstname because the computer is too stupid to sort that way so you have to rename all the people |
17:03:19 | nudelyn | because "Beatles" isn't the name of the band |
17:03:41 | Bagder | so why sort it on something that isn't the name? |
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17:03:48 | nudelyn | I already answred that |
17:03:56 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: Then why should rockbox sort by anything other than the name of the band. Again, The is pretty arbitrary. There are a lot of other prefixes that could well be removed as well. |
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17:04:09 | nudelyn | <nudelyn> because "The" isn't a very important part of their name and *lots* of band names start with The, so you end up with everything in one place which isn't very useful. |
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17:04:24 | linuxstb | nudelyn: In a list of artists, I disagree that it's ugly... I would find it uglier to find the word "The" in the middle of my "B" artists. You can keep it as "The Beatles" in the id3 tags. |
17:04:31 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: I sense a pattern to this conversation :) |
17:04:34 | nudelyn | It's arbitrary to sort A-Z but you still do that. All sorting is arbitrary. Removing "the" for sorting purposes is useful, some think. Of course not all. |
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17:05:12 | nudelyn | agreed linuxstb, it can be strange (at first anyway), but I personally like it and I imagine many others do as plenty of music software does the same thing |
17:05:20 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: It is arbitrary, but it's consistent across all languages. I suspect the The issue would be difficult to implement across all locales. |
17:05:58 | nudelyn | which is why you have a user-editable config file. let people add the prefixes they don't want to influence sorting. have it blank by default to keep the current behaviour. |
17:06:17 | PaulPosition | badger - However esoteric you think this feature would be, I think you guys would be surprised to have a look at most (if not all) 'unsupported builds' from the forum that include such a patch. |
17:06:31 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: hmm...are there any other options that require the user hack the config? just wondering. |
17:07:12 | nudelyn | don't know. you could build a gui config edit for it i suppose, or offer some preset config files that people could choose from, with people who want something unusual having to make their own config file on a computer. |
17:07:14 | phlite | ok, this is nutty i have rockbox booting correctly now .. i got to a menu with calendars, contacts, notes and rockbox, i'd click rockbox, it would load a splash screen then go back to the main menu, i do have music on the pod atm ..., but then i started messing with some settings and now the main menu doesn't have rockbox, only calendars contacts, and notes |
17:07:34 | PaulPosition | ctaylor - Well, first thing in the manual is telling people they might need notepad-like application to configure their rockbox install to their liking so this wouldn't be so out-of-this-worldly.. |
17:07:35 | Bagder | PaulJam: custom builders do all sorts of stuff, I don't think that's an argument that convinces me to think differently |
17:07:39 | Bagder | hm |
17:07:43 | Bagder | darned tab completion |
17:08:05 | PaulPosition | np :p |
17:08:10 | PaulJam | :) |
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17:08:14 | nudelyn | phlite: you probably turned on the option that hides hidden files/folders. those are the ones that start with a ., like .rockbox |
17:08:15 | PaulPosition | Phlite - You changed fileview options. |
17:09:06 | ctaylorr | PaulPosition: True...I'm just curious...I'm not sure of anything that actually requires hand editing besides skins and such. |
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17:09:38 | PaulPosition | phlite - If you go into quick menu (I think you hold 'left' for a second, not sure for iPods) you can change the file-view options to 'show all' |
17:10:01 | PaulPosition | phlite - Or you can change them through the general settings menu. |
17:10:06 | nudelyn | preset prefix lists would solve it with minimal config gui effort, i guess. then it's like choosing a WPS screen (if there isn't one you like you build your own). obviously "normal sorting" would be one of the presets. |
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17:11:30 | nudelyn | whether the idea is worth the space/complexity it would add to the code is a different question; I just don't agree that the feature "adds nothing that can't be done by renaming your files". :) |
17:12:35 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: for english, and similar languages, that could definitely work. Still not sure whether you'd ever want to turn this on and off regularly. Why make it an option, and not just something you permanently do (like rename your mp3s). I know the resulting names don't look good, but for pratical purposes, that's what the names are. |
17:13:30 | PaulPosition | In a way I understand how 'the' is supposed to stick anyways.. |
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17:13:54 | nudelyn | just because they look ugly and renaming them means they're no longer the correct names. you're renaming things to change how they're sorted when you should change the way they're sorted, IMO. |
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17:14:09 | nudelyn | If you want to sort files by modification date you don't stick the date at the start of the filename in YYYY-MM-DD format :) |
17:14:18 | nudelyn | you change the way you sort the list |
17:14:50 | nudelyn | anyway, that's my 2cents. up to you guys whether you agree :) |
17:15:24 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: that's actually a good point. |
17:15:24 | PaulPosition | nudelyn - Say you get some of french band "Le Tigre" or italiano Il Divo, would you get rid of the 'Le'/'La'/'Il' ? |
17:16:05 | nudelyn | Possibly... As I'm not french and would probably have at most one such band I personally wouldn't, but if I was French (or really into French music) than I might want to. |
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17:16:30 | ctaylorr | nudelyn: may be difficult to implement. The benefit of being able to change this particular way of sorting at runtime may not outweight the work involved. |
17:16:30 | nudelyn | for what it's worth, the Karma would rename Le, I believe. It had a list of lots of prefixes for differnet languages. |
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17:17:11 | nudelyn | ctaylorr: yeah, that's fair enough. if it really screws up the code then it's not worth doing. it is a side issue to playing music properly etc.; just a nice-to-have. |
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17:17:22 | phlite | PaulPosition: sorry was afk |
17:17:34 | nudelyn | the fact that it's even worth talking about shows that rockbox is quite mature :) |
17:17:44 | phlite | PaulPosition: i got rockbox to come back, but i run it, and then nothing happens, just goes back to the menu |
17:17:53 | GodEater | *sigh* I must have read through this ATA-6 spec more times in the last week than I ever imagined I would in my entire life! |
17:17:54 | linuxstb | phlite: You should read the IpodFAQ page (and the manual) linked to at the end of the installation page. |
17:18:28 | phlite | ok |
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17:21:24 | PaulPosition | phlite - rockbox you see is the firmware. clicking it just reboot it. :p |
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17:21:58 | amiconn | GodEater: Any progress? Results of set_features() or somesuch? |
17:25:52 | GodEater | not so you'd notice |
17:26:17 | GodEater | I was looking at some of the DEVICE CONFIGURATION commands to see whether apple were locking the feature set |
17:26:38 | GodEater | I've got a stinking cold today though and it's affected my motiviation |
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17:46:03 | phlite | PaulPosition: ahh lol thx |
17:46:46 | phlite | its weird, my ipod is really slow, like the time left doesn't update in real time, also the music is skipping |
17:46:52 | phlite | whats up with that? |
17:48:05 | PaulJam | you should try a wps/theme without peakmeters (iCatcher for example) |
17:48:15 | PaulPosition | phlite - Change the theme, the one that comes with rockbox has peakmeters which slows down the ui |
17:48:25 | phlite | ahh |
17:48:41 | PaulPosition | phlite - (icatcher also comes with rockbox, it doesn't use peakmeters) |
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17:49:47 | PaulPosition | phlite - Also, and you should have read that, the chip used in iPods (and iRiver H10, Sansa e200) hasn't been totally figured out and optimized. Things like the graphical equalizer WILL slow down the UI and cause skips if you use more than two bands. |
17:49:49 | phlite | PaulPosition: ya i changed to icatcher, the current time clock is updating, but the music keeps skipping like every 10 seconds |
17:50:10 | phlite | ahh so i think i did enable the graphic eq |
17:50:24 | phlite | graphic eq is slowing it down? |
17:51:06 | PaulPosition | phlite - With time it's gonna get better, but that is why it is told everywhere that Rockbox is a work in progress, that hasn't been 'Released' for the ipod platform yet (and so what you download is, like, beta software. You're a tester. Think of it as 'Boldly going where (almost) no one has gone before' |
17:51:43 | phlite | ahh i had thought the ipod would be the most figured out device |
17:52:39 | datachild | If i want to "install" a new theme, where do i put the files? (from the zip files off the comp onto the ipod) |
17:52:47 | PaulPosition | phlite - Nope. It's somewhat recent and the specs are kept secret so the rockbox devlopers have to figure all out on themselves by reverse-engineering the damn things. |
17:52:47 | datachild | i'm using a Ipod Video 30GB |
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17:53:43 | markun | datachild: just unzip to the root of your ipod |
17:53:52 | datachild | okay :) |
17:53:52 | PaulJam | the .cfg file goes to .rockbox/themes and the .wps file and the folder with the images goes to .rockbox/wps |
17:54:06 | datachild | thanks a bunch! |
17:54:25 | phlite | PaulPosition: so, does the newer ipod models have more horsepower? or they screwed too with the graphic eq? |
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17:54:45 | PaulPosition | datachild (obviously, if youhave a Fonts/ folder and a Backdrops/ folder, they also go into .Rockbox/ .. :) |
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17:55:55 | PaulPosition | phlite - It's not that the ipod doesn't have enough horsepower, it's that this horsepower can't easily be unleashed. Except for the last few models (those called 5.5th gen. or nano 2nd gen) the chip is the same anyway. |
17:56:43 | PaulPosition | phlite - The 5.5G 80mb iPod for example, doesn't yet work (or didn't last I checked) |
17:57:31 | pixelma | mb? ;) |
17:58:50 | PaulPosition | yeeek! :p |
17:59:03 | phlite | PaulPosition: k thx |
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18:10:26 | GodEater | is anyone going to change those sleep() calls from perform_soft_reset() in ata.c to udelay() calls and then commit then ? |
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18:12:19 | amiconn | GodEater: Surely not,. |
18:12:59 | amiconn | udelay is a kludge that eats cpu power (by busy-looping instead of allowing othe rthreads to run), and it doesn't exist on all targets |
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18:13:17 | GodEater | well that'll be a problem with the 80G then |
18:13:22 | GodEater | cos it still hangs on them |
18:13:54 | amiconn | udelay would be a totally wrong fix then |
18:14:08 | amiconn | sleep() not working shows that there is an init problem with the PP |
18:14:10 | GodEater | linuxstb_ was the one who suggested it |
18:14:34 | GodEater | woohoo - something else to fix |
18:14:35 | amiconn | It means the tick doesn't work (properly) |
18:15:11 | amiconn | Using udelay() is a temporary kludge for debugging, nothing to go into cvs |
18:15:19 | GodEater | right |
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18:17:09 | amiconn | Try to display current_tick in a loop. I would expect it to stay at 0.... |
18:17:15 | GodEater | don't a lot of the ATA calls relays on a working tick ? |
18:17:32 | GodEater | s/relays/rely |
18:17:41 | amiconn | ....instead of advancing HZ times per second as it should |
18:17:55 | amiconn | The tick and sleep() is used in many many places |
18:18:10 | amiconn | I wonder how buttons work though |
18:18:11 | GodEater | you know, a fortnight ago I never imagined I'd be a hardware hacker =/ |
18:19:13 | GodEater | is current_tick a global, or do I have to hack this attempt to display it into some other file ? |
18:19:28 | * | GodEater has stuck to fiddling with ata.c for the past few days |
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18:21:32 | amiconn | current_tick is a global |
18:21:41 | GodEater | cool |
18:21:48 | GodEater | er - which buttons are you talking about ? |
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18:21:50 | amiconn | long current_tick |
18:22:03 | amiconn | There are a few of them.... |
18:22:13 | amiconn | The button driver reads the status in a tick task |
18:22:28 | GodEater | what I mean is - we haven't got as far as testing any buttons reads on the 80G |
18:22:40 | GodEater | so we've no idea if it works or not |
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18:25:58 | * | GodEater goes to find his ipod |
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18:27:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: We don't enable interrupts in the ipod bootloader, so sleep() shouldn't be used. I thought sleep() was disabled for ipod bootloader builds, but it seems it isn't and we're just lucky... (we also don't use the normal button driver). |
18:27:47 | Hemingray | sorry about HCl. I never knew him here but alot of us knew him on Furcadia. |
18:29:10 | * | GodEater sits back to observe the (hopefully) ensuing discussion between linuxstb and amiconn re: sleep() calls in the bootloader :) |
18:30:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: I thought GodEater was testing with a full rockbox binary |
18:31:05 | amiconn | But if we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader, how do the sleep calls work then? |
18:31:38 | linuxstb | I'm assuming nothing calls sleep... |
18:31:43 | amiconn | Maybe we're just lucky, and it's actually hit-and-miss depending on what the apple loader does? |
18:31:54 | GodEater | if someone cares to enlighten me on *how* to use a full binary I'll do my best to do so :) |
18:32:28 | linuxstb | GodEater: ipodpatcher -wf |
18:32:40 | GodEater | do the ticks work / not work if we don't enable interrupts ? |
18:33:02 | linuxstb | We emulate the ticks using the PP's usec timer. It's a macro somewhere (system.h?) |
18:33:08 | amiconn | The ata thread does use sleep(), and afaik that's included with bootloaders |
18:33:18 | GodEater | linuxstb, sorry, I know how to do that - but I'm not sure of the sequence of calls the full binary makes - so I'm not sure where to start my debugging |
18:33:52 | maquis | is the problem with all the new video ipods? or just the 80G one? |
18:33:54 | linuxstb | There's a main() function in apps/main.c (but be careful, there's one for the simulator, and one for the targets). |
18:34:02 | linuxstb | maquis: Just the 80GB. 30GB works fine. |
18:34:11 | maquis | linuxstb: weird... what's different between them? |
18:34:19 | linuxstb | If only we knew... |
18:34:23 | GodEater | curse my large music collection, the 30GB just wan't big enough :) |
18:34:29 | maquis | linuxstb: ah... that kind... :) |
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18:37:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: Huh? I thought the tick emulation is gone since we have a properly working timer tick... |
18:37:38 | linuxstb | I'm talking bootloader builds. |
18:38:03 | linuxstb | current_tick is implemented properly in Rockbox itself. |
18:38:06 | * | GodEater is thoroughly confused now |
18:39:07 | amiconn | I think perform_soft_reset() hanging is a symptom that just shows up on the 80GB because reading doesn't work |
18:39:23 | amiconn | Under normal circumstances, perform_soft_reset() isn't called |
18:39:46 | GodEater | makes sense |
18:40:32 | GodEater | but I'm sure when I tried using the full binary a week or so ago - it still hung |
18:41:20 | GodEater | that statement perhaps didn't qualify for the usage of "but" at the beginning |
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19:26:52 | phlite | shit man, now that i'm getting to understand this rockbox, fricken diggin it, i love that i can listen to my music using directory mode! |
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19:44:22 | markun | amiconn: do you know what the ranges is of the Y component from the idct? |
19:46:11 | bluebrother | Bagder, working on the website? The sponsors box is now within the text of the frontpage (and isn't in a box anymore) |
19:47:06 | pixelma | not for me |
19:47:46 | GodEater | bluebrother, same here |
19:48:07 | GodEater | oh no wait - I did a Ctrl-F5 - looks fine now |
19:49:13 | GodEater | amiconn, is there a way to properly clear down the lcd before writing stuff to it ? Only trying this with the full on rockbox binary means I've got a loverly colour logo written to the screen - which I seem unable to overwrite with debugging info =/ |
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19:50:58 | bluebrother | ah, clearing the cache helped. Wondering why this happened ... |
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19:51:32 | amiconn | GodEater: lcd_clear_display() |
19:51:51 | amiconn | But you could also just comment out the call to show_logo() |
19:52:37 | GodEater | that would mean finding it :) |
19:52:44 | amiconn | markun: I don't know. Why is that important? |
19:52:51 | GodEater | also - I'm lying, the lcp_puts() are overwriting it |
19:53:02 | GodEater | I just put a ridiculously long sleep in the wrong place in my loop |
19:53:08 | GodEater | so it's writing one line every minute or so |
19:53:15 | GodEater | and I can't seem to reset it |
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19:53:17 | amiconn | The sleep works? |
19:53:22 | GodEater | seems to |
19:53:40 | markun | amiconn: the brightness and contrast didn't look right in the mpegplayer so I was adjusting them and was thinking of adding the as an extra parameters to the yuv2rgb code |
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19:54:15 | linuxstb_ | markun: Did you manage to work out the problem with the CLIP() code? |
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19:54:17 | amiconn | Ok, so there is no timer / interrupt init problem. It's just that sleep() doesn't work in the bootloader because we don't init interrupts |
19:54:33 | markun | linuxstb_: no, I was ignoring that for now |
19:54:58 | amiconn | markun: Hmm, I wouldn't expect the contrast/brightness to be different from the other targets |
19:55:02 | GodEater | that would appear to be the case - only I could SWAER this didn't work last week |
19:55:15 | amiconn | Did you compare with another target (if you have one) or the sim? |
19:55:28 | markun | not yet, should do that |
19:55:33 | GodEater | dammit - when does the apple firmware see the reset key combo |
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19:56:13 | amiconn | markun: Does the Gigabeat use RGB565 as the other targets? I'd suspect some mapping problem... |
19:56:20 | markun | yes |
19:56:41 | markun | I noticed that black was always dark gray |
19:56:54 | markun | but the movie clips looked fine on my computer |
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19:59:20 | linuxstb_ | How fast is 320x240 video? |
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20:00:53 | amiconn | markun: A slight colour error may result from the C lcd_yuv_blit(), which uses the same maths as yuv_bitmap_part() in the sim - and is somewhat off for mpeg video |
20:01:19 | amiconn | The yuv->rgb formula is the same as for jpeg, but the ranges are not |
20:01:40 | amiconn | ...so the actual factors need to be slightly different from what they are now |
20:01:46 | markun | linuxstb_: I didn't try yet. 320x176 was decoding at 55fps I believe |
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20:02:06 | linuxstb_ | I think that's adequate :) |
20:02:35 | amiconn | The coldfire asm implementations of lcd_yuv_blit() don't have that problem |
20:02:35 | ]RowaN[ | is it normal that im getting "errorcode: -4" when i try loading the OF with the latest sansa build? |
20:03:03 | GodEater | hahaha - I'm such a dumbass - I'd switched hold to on - no wonder I couldn't reset |
20:03:28 | dan_a | ]RowaN[: No. Have you decrypted the original firmware and saved it as SYSTEM/OF.bin ? |
20:03:50 | ]RowaN[ | decypted? i renamed the latest firmware mi4 file to OF.bin put it where you say |
20:04:12 | markun | amiconn: I multiplied Y by 1.5 and substracted 50. Both values should be a bit lower. |
20:04:52 | ]RowaN[ | dan did you see cheapo sansas on amazon today? $150 for 8gb, pretty nice price |
20:04:54 | amiconn | All values need adjustment (RYFAC ... BUFAC) |
20:05:13 | amiconn | ...and btw, the function is optimised for precision instead of speed |
20:05:25 | amiconn | Adequate for jpeg, but not for mpeg |
20:05:37 | GodEater | any idea how I make the backlight stay on ? |
20:05:39 | markun | I'm a bit colour blind so maybe that's why I didn't have a problem with only Y :) |
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20:06:38 | dan_a | ]RowaN[: You need to decrypt it with "mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin" - you can get mi4code from http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html |
20:06:50 | ]RowaN[ | ah many thanks, will try that now |
20:06:53 | dan_a | And no, I didn't see the Sansas :( |
20:07:16 | ]RowaN[ | it was in the news on dapreview.net |
20:08:03 | amiconn | GodEater: Doe sthe backlight switch on again when you press a button? |
20:08:36 | GodEater | yes |
20:08:44 | GodEater | but it's a pain to keep having to do it |
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20:09:36 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: The timeout is configurable in Rockbox, defaulting to 4 seconds. |
20:09:41 | amiconn | But it's a good sign. It means that buttons and timer are all working |
20:10:00 | GodEater | linuxstb_, yeah but I can't get into the menus in rb to configure it |
20:10:02 | amiconn | linuxstb_: True, but at that point, settings aren't loaded |
20:10:05 | ]RowaN[ | sweet, got it working now, thanks dan =] |
20:10:07 | GodEater | so I could do with hard coding it :) |
20:10:23 | amiconn | GodEater: Yes, just change the default in firmware/backlight.c |
20:10:25 | dan_a | ]RowaN[: You're welcome |
20:10:38 | ]RowaN[ | oh maybe not... |
20:10:41 | ]RowaN[ | stillg etting the same error |
20:10:43 | GodEater | amiconn, thanks - you're a lifesaver :) |
20:11:25 | ]RowaN[ | Partition 0: 0x0B 7649 MB |
20:11:35 | ]RowaN[ | Loading original firmware... |
20:11:41 | ]RowaN[ | Rockbox error: -4 |
20:11:45 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Does Barry's patch for USB on the 3G work? I didn't expect the USB hardware to be compatible between the PP5002 (which has USB 1.1) and PP5020 (USB 2.0) |
20:11:49 | linuxstb_ | s/patch/commit/ |
20:11:51 | amiconn | GodEater: line 118: backlight_timeout = 5*HZ; |
20:11:54 | amiconn | Change that to 0 |
20:12:03 | lamed | hey guys, installing the bootloader on an h340 that was probably bought in the US, that states he is having the 1.28 K fw. what version should i update & patch the bootloader? the 1.28 K? (don't speak korean) |
20:12:04 | GodEater | thanks |
20:12:18 | ]RowaN[ | i am holding LEFT when i poweron to try and load the OF.. thats right i guess |
20:12:25 | lamed | sorry, I ment the 1.29 K |
20:12:30 | dan_a | ]RowaN[: 8Gb, eh? Try building a new bootloader - I've just fixed a bug in the disk driver |
20:12:47 | ]RowaN[ | i used http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ |
20:13:16 | ]RowaN[ | i dont have environment set up to build it, is the one on that url likely to get updated at some point? |
20:13:18 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I've not tried it, but I don't expect it to. USB hasn't worked on the 3G so far |
20:13:25 | lamed | guys, anyone? |
20:13:33 | ]RowaN[ | 8gb yes |
20:13:37 | dan_a | ]RowaN[: It will get updated, but hasn't been yet. |
20:13:42 | scorche | dan_a: bah....same time on the battery bench...although i started with slightly less battery on the second one (40 mV), but that would only have been 5-10 min difference |
20:14:09 | ]RowaN[ | ok thanks for the info, i'll wait for it |
20:14:18 | dan_a | scorche: That's a shame. |
20:14:42 | scorche | yes...yes it is |
20:15:00 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Ah yes, I forgot it was never working... |
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20:15:13 | dan_a | scorche: Sorry for wasting your time |
20:15:19 | GodEater | haha |
20:15:25 | GodEater | now it doesn't come on at all amiconn |
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20:15:29 | scorche | haha...np...it was worth the effort =P |
20:15:38 | amiconn | oh? hmm, lemme check |
20:16:06 | lamed | ummm, anyone knows what are the differences between korean and european iriver's FW? |
20:16:27 | linuxstb_ | That could be a bug - some Nano users (same backlight code as the 5g) who have installed Rockbox with -wf have mentioned the backlight doesn't come on until after it's been turned off by the first timeout. |
20:16:39 | amiconn | That's odd, 0 means 'always on' |
20:16:46 | * | dan_a pings Bagder - PP5022.mi4 for the Sansa needs updating on download.rockbox.org. I've got a copy on my site you can download. |
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20:17:23 | amiconn | Ah, so the init doesn't turn on the backlight itself, but relies on the bootloader |
20:17:25 | amiconn | Not good. |
20:17:26 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I suspect that the backlight code initialises itself to think the backlight is on, but never actually turns it on. No-one has noticed because the bootloader normally does it. |
20:19:43 | amiconn | firmware/target/arm/ipod/backlight-*.c are nonsense... |
20:19:57 | amiconn | inline for an exported function... |
20:20:34 | lamed | guys, please, this player is new and I don't want to brick it so fast. The main menu on iriver's fw says VER 1.28 K, that means I can patch and install H300(kr)_V129.zip (2.1 MBytes) , I hope kr means korean and not something else. I would love if someone could confirm that |
20:20:44 | amiconn | These should rather go into backlight-target.h |
20:23:15 | yossa | Say I have modified key mappings on sansa for solitaire, star, doom and pacman to actually make them usable - What should be done to maybe include them in the cvs? |
20:23:17 | PaulJam | the 1.29 eu has a volume cap and you can't change the radio region, and the 1.29kr has the menu set to korean by default, but that can be changed. i think there aren't any other differences. |
20:23:17 | scorche | oooooo...SVN |
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20:23:49 | markun | yossa: you could start by explaining why they are better and for which target |
20:24:14 | linuxstb_ | yossa: Post a patch to the patch tracker, and try and grab the attention of one of the Sansa developers. |
20:24:37 | * | dan_a pays attention |
20:25:00 | yossa | target: sansa, for solitaire I included the wheel for choosing card rows and select button for selecting cards, shortcuts are simple right and left now, for dropping cards on stacks |
20:25:19 | yossa | couldn't even get the game to work on previous config |
20:25:20 | lamed | pauljam: if my player's main menu sais VER 1.28 K , that means H300(kr)_V129.zip should work, right? I'm trying to make sure kr means korean so I wouldn't be left with a bricked player, the iriver's world site claims that conflicts will happend if I will make a mistake. |
20:26:25 | yossa | star changed levels with scrollwheel, which made it unplayable, because you can't avoid touching it while playing, so I changed it to select+left and right |
20:27:17 | yossa | doom: turn left and right with scrollwheel, shoot with select button and move forward with rec button (the low responsiveness of scrollwheel is a problem right now) |
20:28:05 | linuxstb_ | Does pacbox work properly? i.e. is the screen the correct orientation? |
20:28:16 | PaulJam | if your player already has an international firmware flashed i don't see a problem. just make sure that your battery doesn't run flat while flashing (insert the charger). have you downloaded the firmware from an official iriver website? |
20:28:16 | yossa | but if it would work good, the config is superb - I'm looking at doom source to find a way to multiply left and right turning input |
20:28:34 | yossa | pacbox shows up rotated |
20:28:49 | linuxstb_ | Is the Sansa's LCD 176x220? |
20:28:54 | yossa | yes |
20:29:52 | linuxstb_ | OK, it needs a screen rendering function written specifically for it. At the moment I expect it's displaying it the same way as the Nano's 176x132 screen. |
20:30:15 | linuxstb_ | i.e. scaling by 50% and rotating. It should scale 75% without rotating. |
20:30:18 | lamed | can anyone lpeassssee confirm that i should install H300(kr)_V129.zip because my main menu sais it's version 1.28 K? |
20:30:29 | yossa | linuxstb: probably, I'm too novice to make something like that. For now, because of the rotation I changed the mappings like that: up is now right, right is down, etc. |
20:30:53 | petur | lamed? |
20:31:01 | linuxstb_ | yossa: OK. The keys are easily fixed if/when someone fixes the display. |
20:31:35 | petur | lamed: as long as you don't use a US version you're ok |
20:31:37 | PaulJam | lamed: it doesn't really matter what version of original firmware you are running, because once you use rockbox you don't want to boot the iriver firmware. |
20:32:15 | yossa | anyway, for now if anyone is interested in those configs, I could just put them into the pastebin, and let someone more directly involved incorporate them |
20:32:33 | petur | and kr and eu are just versions with different default language and some features enabled or disabled |
20:32:35 | lamed | petur: i got it from someone in the us, but i don't know how did he got it, but going by the 1.28 K should suffice, right? |
20:32:59 | petur | lamed: just pick one... |
20:33:17 | lamed | I mean that it's not a US undercover or something :/ |
20:33:32 | petur | doesn't matter |
20:33:45 | PaulJam | yossa: as someone mentioned earlier there is a patch tracker for this purpose: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
20:34:11 | petur | lamed: if it was a US version, usbotg won't work - that's all |
20:34:47 | PaulJam | i think most people (including me) use 1.29kr |
20:34:59 | * | amiconn uses 1.29eu |
20:35:00 | lamed | wow, I'm shocked. US version usbotg is off?! |
20:35:16 | amiconn | US H300s have usbotg disabled in hardware |
20:35:30 | lamed | ->UPGRADING-> |
20:35:36 | amiconn | They use the isp1362 in device mode for mtp afaiu |
20:35:55 | yossa | PaulJam: allright, I'll look into it |
20:36:08 | lamed | it's so darn long.... dammit.... |
20:36:13 | PaulJam | i think on misticriver is a description of a hardwaremod to enable usbotg on us models |
20:36:19 | lamed | ->player went off -> |
20:36:24 | lamed | ON |
20:36:36 | lamed | ver 1.29k |
20:36:43 | lamed | i'm ok, thank god. |
20:36:48 | * | linuxstb_ spots a familiar complaint on the mjpeg-users mailing list: "Sigh, seems that the gcc folks are efficient and consistent, they mananged to break both the 3.x and 4.x C++ compilers." |
20:37:29 | lamed | but i'm still in iriver's fw.. |
20:37:55 | PaulJam | lamed: have you patched the firmware before flashing? |
20:38:08 | lamed | obvioulsy yes |
20:38:32 | lamed | i should reset |
20:38:53 | lamed | that's werid. |
20:38:59 | PaulJam | when you start the device, do you see a light blue screen flashing for a short moment and displaying some lines of tewxt? |
20:39:30 | linuxstb_ | I've read reports that some people have had to flash multiple times in order to get the Rockbox bootloader working. Try flashing again... |
20:39:53 | lamed | shit, I hate flashing. |
20:40:26 | lamed | :(((( ok only if I most :((((( |
20:40:35 | lamed | hehe |
20:41:36 | lamed | just like with the h120, holding play while reset gets into the bootloader. but actually it hangs after the batt: line |
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20:41:48 | lamed | ok |
20:41:53 | lamed | now we're on |
20:43:53 | lamed | brickmania is so much nicer with colors :) thanks everyone for the moral support. flashing friends players is much more simple. |
20:44:41 | lamed | wow, nice usb logo. things have changed since my h120 died... |
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20:46:44 | BetaCookies | Hey Brock |
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20:46:51 | ShadowdogMU | Hey |
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20:47:11 | BetaCookies | i restarted my iPod and the rockbox bootloader got "eaten" |
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20:47:24 | ShadowdogMU | eaten? |
20:47:33 | BetaCookies | "Use iTunes to restore" |
20:47:37 | ShadowdogMU | Odd |
20:47:38 | BetaCookies | The bootloader is just gone |
20:47:42 | BetaCookies | got written over |
20:47:45 | linuxstb_ | Of course... |
20:47:47 | BetaCookies | but I didn't even have it connected to the computer |
20:47:52 | linuxstb_ | Just install again. |
20:47:53 | ShadowdogMU | I don't use the Rockbox bootloader, too crappy, I use the one that came with iLinux |
20:47:57 | ShadowdogMU | it actually lets you choose |
20:48:09 | BetaCookies | so does the rockbox one o.O |
20:48:16 | ShadowdogMU | Without holding buttons I mean |
20:48:32 | scorche | you dont have to "hold" buttons anymore |
20:48:40 | scorche | just flip the hold switch on |
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20:50:47 | BetaCookies | what bin file is to install the rockbox bootloader? |
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20:51:40 | BetaCookies | bootpartition.bin, rockboot.bin, or bootloader-nano.bin? |
20:51:53 | linuxstb_ | bootloader-ipodnano.ipod |
20:52:05 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
20:55:32 | BetaCookies | problem |
20:56:59 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if BetaCookies will elaborate |
20:57:04 | BetaCookies | hold on |
20:57:07 | BetaCookies | i'm starting over |
20:57:16 | BetaCookies | cause ya see, I used the other iPod installation page |
20:57:21 | BetaCookies | not the beta |
21:00 |
21:00:53 | BetaCookies | linuxstb_ anyway, the problem was: " Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)." |
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21:01:17 | * | GodEater thinks the page shouldn't be called beta any more - it's causing too much confusion |
21:02:25 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: True... Although there are some reported issues with ipodpatcher and the older ipods (4g and Color). |
21:03:07 | linuxstb_ | But Rockbox should probably still be called Beta on the ipods anyway, it's a fairer assessment of its state. |
21:03:21 | GodEater | heh - true |
21:03:33 | diemos | woot, i had sex with a midget last night |
21:03:43 | diemos | she wasnt ACTUALLY a midget, but she was way short |
21:03:54 | * | linuxstb_ looks around for an op |
21:04:25 | scorche | linuxstb_: you rang? =) |
21:04:33 | scorche | diemos: cut it out |
21:04:38 | diemos | huh? |
21:04:48 | scorche | this is not a social channel |
21:05:03 | diemos | oh, sorry thought it was ##linux |
21:05:09 | diemos | i usually idle there |
21:05:15 | scorche | well, it isnt |
21:05:21 | diemos | understood. |
21:06:30 | GodEater | does the "stb" in linuxstb stand for anything ? |
21:09:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:10:24 | BetaCookies | ick |
21:10:29 | BetaCookies | its so SLOW transferring songs |
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21:12:34 | BetaCookies | I'm getting this problem when I try to install the bootloader: " Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)." |
21:12:42 | BetaCookies | linuxstb_ are you there? |
21:13:00 | linuxstb_ | Yes... |
21:13:15 | linuxstb_ | Sounds like either a problem with your Nano's flash, or a USB connection problem. |
21:13:19 | BetaCookies | :| |
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21:13:40 | BetaCookies | it says "use itunes to restore" |
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21:17:23 | BetaCookies | linuxstb i got it working with the old installation thing |
21:18:25 | linuxstb | When in the process did the new version of ipodpatcher give you that error? Before displaying the partition table? |
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21:21:43 | BetaCookies | linuxstb, no, after displaying the partition table |
21:22:34 | linuxstb | What was the last line before the error? I'm just curious if the old ipodpatcher was reading/writing the same parts of the disk that the new ipodpatcher would. |
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21:24:07 | dionoea | hi |
21:24:19 | datachild | How do i install the Album Art-patch on my Ipod G5? |
21:25:29 | datachild | Anyone got some links or something? |
21:25:58 | BetaCookies | linuxstb problem :s rockbox doesn't work |
21:26:10 | BetaCookies | i mean ipodpatcher doesnt find the ipod |
21:27:13 | linuxstb | BetaCookies: I thought you just said you got it working with the old install method? |
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21:28:40 | datachild | Anyone? |
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21:29:43 | linuxstb | datachild: You don't "install" a patch. A patch is a text file indicating changes to the Rockbox source code. You apply those changes to the Rockbox source code, and compile Rockbox. |
21:29:44 | ctaylorr | datachild: you don't ``install patches'' in the normal sense. The patches used wrt to open source projects are usually one the source level. |
21:30:23 | linuxstb | datachild: There are many pages in the wiki dealing with compiling Rockbox and applying patches. |
21:30:24 | datachild | well, why does it say "patch" ? |
21:30:26 | ctaylorr | heh |
21:30:36 | linuxstb | datachild: Because they are patches. |
21:31:02 | datachild | Oh well |
21:31:03 | ctaylorr | datachild: you patch source, files. Your question suggested that you planned on running a program and having the patch. It's a bit less trivial than that. |
21:31:07 | datachild | where do if ind it in the wiki? |
21:31:12 | datachild | where should i look? |
21:31:21 | datachild | no no, wasn't thinking like that |
21:31:34 | datachild | i ment the so called "Album art patch" |
21:31:53 | datachild | how i should do to apply it/install it etc |
21:32:05 | datachild | compile or whatever |
21:32:33 | lowlight | dan_a, amiconn: if you have a moment, can you help me understand this arm code: http://pastebin.ca/287825 |
21:32:47 | linuxstb | datachild: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
21:33:12 | BetaCookies | linuxstb well I'm trying to do the new method, but it says "Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.[ERR] Failed to read firmware directory - nimages=1 |
21:33:24 | datachild | well well.. |
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21:33:31 | linuxstb | datachild: Or you can look in the "unsupported builds" forum and see if someone else has done the work for you and is making a compiled version of Rockbox available including the albumart patch . |
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21:34:05 | datachild | Okay.. |
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21:34:34 | datachild | i'll leave it.. way to much work for something like that |
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21:34:43 | datachild | but thanks anyway |
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21:37:58 | habaa | ]RowaN[: did you manage to boot your sansa |
21:38:43 | ]RowaN[ | yes thanks, dualbooting, very nice =] |
21:38:54 | habaa | ejoy :) |
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21:40:36 | yossa | where can I find a guide line for writing patch files? |
21:41:07 | linuxstb | Are you using CVS? |
21:41:27 | dan_a | lowlight: I can't help, I'm afraid. It seems to do something with structs with pointers to functions in them, but trying to understand it made my brain hurt. |
21:42:51 | yossa | linuxstb: yes |
21:43:34 | linuxstb | yossa: The WorkingWithPatches wiki page explains. |
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21:44:24 | yossa | thank you, I searched for "patch" but it didn't show. |
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21:47:21 | PaulPosition | yossa - You need to hit the 'search' option in the menu bar of the wiki to get full text search.. The input box is for searching titles. |
21:47:34 | PaulPosition | yossa - I mean, in the menu at the top of the wiki.. :p |
21:47:59 | yossa | oh, that's more like it :) |
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21:54:26 | wanze | hi, I want to install Rockbox on my iPod Video (5.5g), but in http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061221.pdf (section 2.2.2) it says that the instructions in the manual do not work on 5.5g, and instead it tells me to check out the new directions on another link. Or well, I believe it should be another link, but it's not. The two links are identical (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta). Could anybody help me |
21:54:57 | wanze | s/directions/instructions |
21:55:56 | linuxstb | wanze: Yes, both links are the same. The new instructions are optional for 5g users, but compulsory for 5.5g users. |
21:56:16 | Febs | I just updated the manual with a first draft of revised instructions. |
21:56:19 | wanze | so I should just follow the instructions? |
21:56:24 | linuxstb | But the new instructions work on all ipods. |
21:56:27 | linuxstb | wanze: Yes. |
21:56:31 | linuxstb | Febs: Thanks! |
21:57:12 | wanze | Thanks, linuxstb! |
21:57:14 | linuxstb | Febs: Although there are those outstanding issues from the forum thread about the new install method which I haven't yet had a useful reply to... |
21:57:38 | linuxstb | (affecting older ipods by the looks of it) |
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21:58:18 | linuxstb | wanze: I assume you have a 30GB ipod? |
21:58:25 | wanze | Yes :) |
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21:58:48 | wanze | which version of Rockbox is recommended? The "bleeding edge" build or the daily build? |
21:59:28 | ctaylorr | wanze: depends on whether and how you'll complain if you see bugs. |
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22:00:00 | linuxstb | Febs: Maybe add a warning about the 80GB video ipod not working at the moment? |
22:00:05 | linuxstb | (similar to the 2nd Gen Nano warning) |
22:00:12 | wanze | linuxstb: there already is |
22:00:22 | wanze | "Rockbox works on all recent ipods apart from the Shuffle (both old and new), the new "2nd Generation" ipod Nano (the all-aluminium version) and the 80GB ipod Video." |
22:00:31 | Febs | linuxstb: I have quite a bit of clean-up to do still. The most critical thing is that I need to figure how to get latex to properly reflect the ipodpatcher −−scan command. |
22:00:38 | linuxstb | wanze: I'm talking about the instructions Febs just added to the manual. |
22:00:40 | Febs | But a disclaimer about the 80GB is a good idea. |
22:00:50 | wanze | Okay, sorry then. |
22:00:58 | Febs | It probably needs to go only in the manual for the video. |
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22:01:05 | linuxstb | Want me to change the command? :) |
22:01:43 | Febs | Or that! :) |
22:01:52 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
22:02:21 | Febs | The dashes generate a compiling error. |
22:03:11 | Febs | I know there's a way to do it, but I am no latex error, so I just need to review some other parts of the manual and find an instance of a something similar to copy from. |
22:03:20 | Febs | latex error/latex expert |
22:03:27 | linuxstb | BTW, I think the links are wrong - the convention is bootloader-ipodXXXX.ipod (the value of the "archos" variable in the build system). |
22:03:52 | linuxstb | I think you just renamed .ipod to .bin |
22:05:23 | linuxstb | Maybe the bootloader filenames could be defined in the platform.tex file. |
22:05:56 | linuxstb | Now that the install commands are identical for all ipods, apart from that filename. |
22:06:17 | Febs | I could probably use the \player macro to generate the link rather than \OPTing each one of them. |
22:06:28 | Febs | But for now, I just fixed the individual links. |
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22:13:02 | * | tucoz read that there were latex trouble |
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22:13:28 | tucoz | Febs: did you write the −− in a verbatim environment? |
22:13:29 | Febs | Tucoz to the rescue! |
22:13:43 | Febs | I think I tried that and it didn't work. |
22:13:49 | tucoz | i am on mac at the moment, so i can not test anything |
22:14:09 | tucoz | wonder if you have to escape dashes. i thought not |
22:14:22 | Febs | Let me try again. |
22:14:42 | dionoea | escape dashes in latex ? |
22:14:43 | tucoz | i know that in a standard environment, a double dash will simply produce a longer dash |
22:14:48 | pixelma | hi tucoz :) |
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22:14:54 | tucoz | hello :) |
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22:15:22 | tucoz | dionoea: i would not think so, but he said he got a compiler error |
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22:15:44 | dionoea | maybe it's using some weird UTF8 dash char ... |
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22:16:16 | dionoea | so you think it's a normal dash but it isn't |
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22:16:47 | tucoz | right. that could be it. i also noticed that the editor inserted tabs instead of spaces (grr ;)) |
22:17:16 | Febs | OK, it worked. I must have had some other error and mistakenly thought that the dashes caused it. |
22:17:31 | Febs | I'll fix the tabs. I SWEAR I've configured UltraEdit to use spaces. |
22:17:46 | tucoz | hehe |
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22:20:55 | wanze | I just installed it but it's like its freezing sometimes |
22:21:06 | wanze | like now, I just Snake 2 and died |
22:21:18 | wanze | "You died! Your score.. blah blah," Press Select..." |
22:21:27 | wanze | tried to press every button but nothing happens |
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22:21:59 | wanze | only reaction I get is when I lock it (with the tab on the top), then it turns on the light for a few seconds |
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22:23:08 | linuxstb | wanze: Rockbox also uses key combinations, maybe you needed that. MENU+SELECT together is used a lot to exit plugins. |
22:23:27 | wanze | select is the button in the middle, right? |
22:23:32 | linuxstb | Yes. |
22:23:40 | wanze | in that case, it doesn't work |
22:23:48 | wanze | no reaction when I connect it to my computer now neither |
22:23:53 | lowlight | dan_a: thanks for looking...my head is spinning too. I can't understand what's an address and what's a value |
22:24:03 | wanze | hey wait |
22:24:13 | * | linuxstb waits |
22:24:16 | wanze | :p |
22:24:20 | wanze | no it's playing Snake again |
22:24:42 | linuxstb | Try the nice Rockbox manual - it should hopefully have the keys used in Snake 2. |
22:24:49 | wanze | oh, yeah, thanks |
22:26:03 | lowlight | dan_a: like "ldr r0, =0x40014B84" loads the address into r0, then "ldr r0, [r0,#8]" loads a value into r0, but what does "ldr r1, [r0]" do? Or am I just really confused? |
22:26:39 | Overand | So I have a question- there are a lot of patches suggested for use in the WPS gallery for various skins- how many of those are likely to end up in the main trunk? |
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22:28:25 | lowlight | dan_a: unless, as you said, the value at r0 is a pointer :/ |
22:28:25 | dan_a | lowlight: ldr r1, [r0] puts into r1 the value at the address in r0. So at that point, r0 contains a pointer, which was set up with "ldr r0, [r0, #8]". |
22:28:38 | linuxstb | Overand: Probably none, the way they are written. The plan is to introduce the concepts of "viewports" to Rockbox which should solve all the problems those various patches attempt to solve. |
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22:29:01 | linuxstb | And album-art is waiting for other things to happen first. |
22:29:43 | lowlight | dan_a: are the 0x400xxxxx range addresses ram? |
22:30:02 | Bagder | dan_a: gimme da URL! ;-) |
22:30:09 | linuxstb | lowlight: That's IRAM on the PP chips. |
22:30:10 | dan_a | lowlight: That pointer has been stored in 0x40014B8C |
22:30:38 | linuxstb | (96KB on the PP5020, starting at 0x40000000) |
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22:31:00 | GodEater | ok, it's official - using the full rockbox binary doesn't help at all on the 80G - the set_features() call still appears to do absolutely bugger all while lying through it's teeth about how successfully it did |
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22:33:26 | Overand | linuxstb: Interesting. Thanks for the heads up =] |
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22:34:17 | dan_a | lowlight: Have you any idea what device uses that bit of code? |
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22:38:03 | lowlight | dan_a: sub_FA7C appears after every string, so I trying to understand the behavior |
22:38:46 | linuxstb | Trying to work out the LCD? |
22:39:44 | lowlight | trying to work out anything ;) |
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22:41:45 | habana | is there a fast update method for the RB fw ? i made mods i'd like to test :) |
22:42:00 | habana | ...for sansa player |
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22:43:03 | Bagder | the update method is to unzip the most recent rockbox zip |
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22:43:25 | Bagder | but you say you have "mods", then just cvs update and run make |
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22:45:01 | yossa | I submitted three patches which may be of interest to some sansa gamers out there |
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22:47:56 | habana | yossa: you modified keys ? Where could i review them ? |
22:48:21 | yossa | it's all here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6466 |
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22:50:15 | habana | thanks, so i'll wait until theyre accepted :) |
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22:51:23 | dan_a | habana: Would you mind testing them? If you think that they're OK, I'll apply them |
22:52:51 | yossa | habana: if you're worried, about bricking, they're just simple keymap changes, no actual code has been tinkered with in any way |
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23:03:10 | bun-bun | hi everyone |
23:03:52 | bun-bun | i recently installed rockbox on my iriver h340 and i noticed delays in processing keypresses at times |
23:04:02 | bun-bun | is there anything i can do to alleviate some of that? |
23:04:52 | bun-bun | or is that the nature of running the system from disk |
23:05:08 | linuxstb | You can enable "dircache" |
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23:10:47 | bun-bun | linuxstb# will that have adverse effects on battery life? |
23:11:33 | petur | the contrary |
23:11:39 | linuxstb | It depends. It uses up some memory (meaning a slightly smaller buffer for audio), but it reduces the number of disk accesses. |
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23:11:56 | bun-bun | hmm that sounds good, i'll try it. thanks |
23:12:05 | linuxstb | But if you're the type of user that browses the file tree a lot, it will probably save power. |
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23:32:29 | Martini33333 | Hi! Anybody there? |
23:32:43 | dan_a | Only 128 people... |
23:33:13 | Martini33333 | only? thats a few |
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23:47:44 | Elara | Is anyone willing to help me with an m3u playlist problem I'm having? I know I'm screwing up somehow, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
23:48:26 | Martini33333 | Hi and thanks to all who helped with the sansa e280 boot problem!!! |
23:48:38 | linuxstb | Elara: Just ask. (no need to ask to ask). |
23:49:18 | Elara | Well, I'm using the 12/18/06 build of Rockbox for my Ipod color photo.... |
23:49:58 | DerPapst | linuxstb: can ipodpatcher still detect an iPod after using the new −−add-bootloader-bin? |
23:50:11 | Elara | I made a playlist of songs, all of which are on my player, and in Rockbox's database, with the names unchanged from what's in the playlist.... |
23:50:31 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes. |
23:50:59 | linuxstb | DerPapst: There's no difference between "−−add-bootloader-bin loader.bin" and "−−add-bootloader loader.ipod" |
23:51:12 | DerPapst | sweet :) |
23:51:19 | Elara | I saved the playlist as an m3u file, using WMP11, and transferred the m3u file into the Playlists folder on my color/photo.... |
23:52:47 | linuxstb | Elara: A ".m3u" file is just a text file containing a list of filenames. Opening it in a text editor (e.g. notepad) may help explain any issues. |
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23:54:13 | Elara | When I load Rockbox on my color photo, the playlist shows up. When I enter the playlist, the list of songs show up. When I try to play the playlist, the ipod goes to the first song, puts up the WPS, and then hangs. It won't play. If you hit play again, it "pauses" and when you hit play again, it comes out of "pause" mode, but still never plays. Back/forward won't take you through the playlist, and if I hit th |
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23:54:59 | yossa | silly question: is there a way to compile a single plugin instead of the whole firmware? |
23:55:13 | linuxstb | Elara: Do those files play OK if you select them normally in the file browser or database browser? |
23:55:34 | linuxstb | yossa: No |
23:55:42 | yossa | thanks |
23:56:00 | linuxstb | Are you using cygwin? |
23:56:02 | Elara | linuxsb: Yes, they do. |
23:56:27 | linuxstb | Does the WPS display the information from the first file? |
23:57:10 | Elara | Yes, it does, and a progress bar, as if it is playing, but the progress bar never moves. |
23:59:01 | linuxstb | Elara: Then I have no ideas... What format is the music? |