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#rockbox log for 2006-12-21

00:02:17BetaCookiesit happens almost every time I reboot
00:02:20BetaCookiesanyway, gotta go
00:02:40Soapdo you shutdown cleanly BetaCookies ?
00:07:07idnarhmm, does Rockbox support AC3?
00:07:36 Quit Arathis ("[rl_bot quit]")
00:11:11idnarah, looks like it
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00:13:22 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.")
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00:14:34[g2]any news on the Sansa front ?
00:16:36dan_a[g2]: Since when? There is dual boot support now, and the scrollwheel works#
00:17:28courtcpreglow: ping
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00:24:14_keif i do some small changes like changing the id3-song information rockbox doesnt update this.. what am i doing wron?
00:25:14SoapI don't understand the question.
00:26:27_keok lets say i have a song on my box: title:"hello". now i alter the title to "hello you" and i do an databse update on box. but in the database there isnt the new name, but the old one
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00:36:54drumstar07hey can someone help me?? i accidently loaded ipodlinux when i meant to hit rockbox
00:37:02drumstar07and now its frozen can someone help
00:37:09drumstar07i tried restarting it
00:37:34 Quit ender` (" Only thing made by Microsoft that wouldn't suck would be MS Vacuum Cleaner!")
00:38:08_kepress menu+select for 10s
00:38:17habanasomeone with sansa e280 ?
00:38:32drumstar07i tried
00:38:44drumstar07the last part says its sleeping forevr
00:39:12drumstar07plz help
00:40:14drumstar07can i wait till the battery dies?
00:41:09_kedrumstar07, the thing i described is a reset.. its the only thing you can do
00:41:48drumstar07k i got it to work
00:43:10[g2]dan_a since like a month ago or more
00:43:18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
00:43:37dan_a[g2]: Then there is quite a lot!
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00:44:39[g2]dan_a is it still a SVN only thing ?
00:45:04habanadan_a: you dont have the same trouble than MartinS
00:45:58dan_a[g2]: No, the daily downloads are being built now, and the bootloader is available for download.
00:46:08dan_ahabana: No, but I only have a 2Gb
00:47:08habanaMaybe he should empty his player and retest test then ?
00:47:40dan_ahabana: I would rather fix the problem than work around it, if I can
00:48:07habanacan i provide help ?
00:48:09[g2]dan_a and I'm guessing the JTAG hasn't changed at all
00:48:28_kea small problem: lets say i have a song on my box: title:"hello". now i alter the title to "hello you" and i do an databse update on box. but in the database there isnt the new name, but the old one..
00:48:32[g2]dan_a I'll have to dl and test
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00:49:16habana[g2]: so not updated, empty cache ?
00:49:33dan_ahabana: You could try taking Rockbox off, putting 5Gb of files on your Sansa and then putting Rockbox back on
00:49:37[g2]habana ?
00:50:11habana[g2]:sorry, it was for _ke
00:50:15dan_a[g2]: I don't think anyone has made use of the JTAG. I for one wouldn't know what to do with it.
00:50:28habanadan_a: ok
00:50:37[g2]dan_a Ok thx
00:50:55_kehabana, what do you mean by that?
00:50:56dan_ahabana: If I'm right, loading Rockbox should fail
00:51:34[g2]dan_a how hard would it be to add a minor edit feature to Rockbox to cut MP3 files before or after a mark (probably pause)
00:51:41 Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:52:46dan_a[g2]: I don't know - I've only worked on the low-level stuff so far. Maybe someone like jhMikeS could help you more there?
00:53:26[g2]dan_a ok THX. where you the guy hacking the
00:53:27redwood[g2] I and a buddy of mine are going to take a look at the splitedit code and see if it can be ported to other targets
00:53:29[g2]fb ?
00:54:03[g2]redwood thx. which targets does it currently run on ?
00:54:13redwoodright now I think it is only for one of the Archos targets
00:54:39redwood[g2] prolly won't get to it until after xmas tho
00:54:54dan_a[g2]: I've done the LCD and disk drivers, and looked at using the 2nd core on all the PortalPlayer targets (Sansa, iriver H10, iPod)
00:55:00[g2]redwood that's really soon :)
00:55:09habana_ke: if theres a cache in rockbox, empty it .
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00:55:36[g2]go dan_a go !
00:55:47[g2]so it's only using one core right now ?
00:55:48redwood[g2\ gtg will post with any results - btw what target do you have?
00:56:06[g2]redwood I've got a sansa and and Ipod
00:56:09_kehabana, how can i do that?
00:56:50[g2]redwood THX for the info
00:58:00[g2]dan_a do you know if anything has changed with the NV buyout regarding info about the PP silicon ?
00:58:23habana_ke:dont know :\ never tested yet
00:58:50 Quit matsl_ ("Riece/2.0.2 XEmacs/21.5-b27 (fiddleheads, linux)")
00:59:32dan_a[g2]: I requested register level documentation about the PP5024 (which the Sansa uses) from PP a week or two ago and have heard nothing. I'd take that as a "no"!
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00:59:49_kehabana, is there an option to it?
01:00:11habanadan_a: still works with 1.04 GB
01:02:17dan_ahabana: 1.04Gb free?
01:05:39habanaa good source for gb roms ?
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01:11:43[g2]dan_a I see Sansa in cvs but not daily is that correct one ?
01:12:00habanadan_a:filled the player until 880MB stay free, removed rockbox. Database update in progress...
01:12:12[g2]and will that support the e260 ?
01:12:23habana[g2] not really usable
01:12:46[g2]habana the cvs isn't really usable ?
01:12:58[g2]or the e260 isn't usable
01:13:01dan_a[g2]: Ah, yes, it's not been added to the daily builds
01:13:04habanayes, no sound, no usb, ...
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01:13:53[g2]well sound for a music player would be nice :)
01:14:03jhMikeSdan_a: does each pp core have it's own irq level? there's something that needs a little change in the scheduler if so. (just realized)
01:14:57jhMikeSsomething I did recently that is
01:15:09[g2]habana I'm not in a super big rush. I think you guys are doing great stuff and I know it often just takes some time and lov'n
01:15:16dan_ajhMikeS: I'm not sure. I think they might have.
01:15:50jhMikeSreally. watch out on that set_irq_level_and_block thread function and the variable it uses to do that
01:15:50habana[g2]:i dont participate. look in "credits" for kudos :)
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01:16:47jhMikeSprobably has to be part of cores instead
01:16:52[g2]habana it was a general comment
01:16:53dan_ahabana: Testing counts as participating!
01:17:13[g2]dan_a amen to testers/users
01:17:48*[g2] knows a guy that did a Fedora port to the ARM arch but it didn't get used
01:20:26habanadan_a: it still boots with only 880MB free space
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01:21:09dan_ahabana: In that case, it doesn't sound like it's a problem with the disk driver
01:21:22 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
01:21:47dan_aDoes it list all the files correctly, and (assuming that they are MP3s) do the titles show up correctly in Database view?
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01:23:42habanayes, from a to z
01:24:43dan_aI'd say that the disk is working properly then
01:24:59dan_aSo there must be something weird with MartinS's setup.
01:25:13habanarockbox info: disk 5.58 gb free :886mb
01:25:41habanaMartinS tested my own build with same result
01:25:58habanamaybe it 's a R version ?
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01:27:00dan_aI don't think so - installing the bootloader should fail on ARM versions.
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01:30:08habanatime for me to ut2004, bye all
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01:30:32xamoxDoes rockbox have video support? I see there is a video page up but it was last modified 2004 so I don't want to go through the whole process and find out it doesn't work anymore.
01:31:28scorchego to the wikipage PluginMpegplayer
01:31:52xamoxscorche, thx.
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01:33:21dan_ascorche: I'm going to test the things we learned from your testing at the weekend. Thanks again for doing that!
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01:33:38scorchedan_a: as i said, the test is still incomplete
01:34:03scorchetonight i will finish it up by finding out which was causing the backlight and the hold button irregularities
01:34:20scorchecant very well have a battery_bench with the backlight on constantly ;)
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01:36:10scorchewere you able to confirm whther that was the ADC or not?
01:36:21scorchebut 12 that is
01:36:36dan_aI've not had a chance to check yet.
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01:37:49dan_aBit 12 of 0x6000600c is I2C. That should affect all sorts of things, including sound
01:38:50scorchesound was working fin
01:39:07scorchethe only irregularity was the battery
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01:39:38scorchewell, read the note i left you on that spreadsheet
01:39:51scorchei need to be off for a couple hours, and then i will come back and test the rest
01:40:49dan_aOK. Thanks again :)
01:41:41habanadan_a: finally, all plugins give error message "incompatible model" after reboot (i didnt test them minutes ago)
01:42:38dan_ahabana: That's odd. Were the plugins compiled at the same time as rockbox.e200?
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01:44:04habanai think its the one i used yesterday with working plugins
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01:45:39habanaim gonna remove files (1GB)+ firmware and reinstall the same firmware.
01:51:11habanadan_a: with 1.31GB free , plugins work
01:52:11dan_ahabana: So it definitely seems that there is a problem with the disk driver?
01:52:25habanaim afraid
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01:55:40habanadan_a:dont hesitate to send me pm messages on the forum or by email (if you still have it) fot tests with 6GB
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01:55:54TerrorByteWhat's up.
01:56:20TerrorByteAw, Paul's not here.
01:56:27TerrorByteSo, any major changes to the H10?
01:56:34 Quit _ke ("umount /mnt/me")
01:57:03dan_aTerrorByte: Dual-boot bootloader - I think there's documentation for it in the wiki
01:58:14TerrorByteDual-boot bootloader?
01:58:16TerrorByteWow, what's that do.
01:58:24TerrorByteI'm going to try to find it in the wiki.
01:58:48dan_aIt lets you choose between the original firmware and Rockbox while you're booting up.
01:59:16TerrorByteThat's so kickass.
01:59:27TerrorByteBRB with my iRiver H10 :)
02:00:29TerrorByteSo it's all in the daily build?
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02:01:08TerrorByteHow come this isn't listed on the homepage?
02:01:12TerrorByteIt's a pretty big update!
02:01:20TerrorByteShould be big news.
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02:03:26TerrorByteYou there?
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02:05:08dan_aTerrorByte: I don't know why it didn't go on the news part of the homepage. It's in the list of changes which is still on the homepage at the moment...
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02:05:42TerrorByteBig update.
02:05:50TerrorByteI mean, now you can record and listen to FM radio....
02:05:55TerrorByteUsing the iRiver firmware.
02:06:12dan_aCan you listen to FM radio?
02:06:23dan_aI didn't think that was done yet?
02:06:24TerrorByteOn the iRiver I think.
02:06:30TerrorByteWait wait wait....
02:06:36TerrorByteI'll need the iRiver files too.
02:06:42TerrorByteI have them somewhere I think.
02:07:02dan_aOh, you can record from RB too
02:07:02TerrorByteAlso, I couldn't find it in the wikil
02:07:08TerrorByteCan you please give me the link?
02:08:09PaulPositionTerrorbyte try
02:08:17PaulPositionAlthough it's still beta.. :/
02:09:16TerrorByteIs that you Paul_The_Nerd?
02:09:23PaulPositionTerrorbyte - And feel free to make any recommandation for clarification or whatever.
02:09:27PaulPositionAnd nope, I'm not.
02:09:38 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!")
02:10:01PaulPositionI'm not even really named Paul, I'm just a sucker for bad puns and automobile racing.
02:10:57TerrorByteI see.
02:11:08TerrorByteWell let's see if I can get dual boot working myself.
02:12:28PaulPositionI sure hope the instructions are clear enough, but I can tell you dozen of misticriver users have sent their thanks Barrywardell's and dan_a's way.
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02:14:31*dan_a blushes
02:14:36TerrorByteOkay, let's see if I did it right.
02:15:06PaulPositionTerrorbyte - You installed both the new bootloader and a newish build?
02:15:10TerrorByteIt froze at Sum: 2E4DC24
02:15:17TerrorByteNEW Bootloader?
02:15:19DBUGEnqueued KICK TerrorByte
02:15:21TerrorByteMy bad.
02:16:25PaulPositionlol, no problem. :p
02:16:27 Quit gotthardt ("CGI:IRC")
02:16:57TerrorByteLet's try it now.
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02:17:11TerrorByteIt booted up in Rockbox.
02:17:15TerrorByteDid not ask me.
02:17:47TerrorByteYou guys got recording done too.
02:18:25TerrorBytedan, you here?
02:18:46TerrorByteOh, didn't hold left.
02:18:56PaulPositionTerrorbyte - hehe...
02:19:31TerrorByteThere is a problem.
02:19:31PaulPositionSure. Do remember that the OF gets into sleep instead of shutting down.
02:19:36Tadpole324I'm getting "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher.
02:19:38TerrorByteWhen I boot up in the original firmware.
02:19:49TerrorByteI was about to say that Paul.
02:19:53Tadpole324What should I try?
02:19:54TerrorByteHow do I get it to shutdown?
02:19:58PaulPositionSo to go back into Rockbox you need to reset (take out battery or inserta pin in reset hole)
02:19:59TerrorByteWithout resetting.
02:20:05TerrorByteYeah yeah.
02:20:07TerrorByteWell, still awesome.
02:20:13PaulPositionIt's something you forgot from the OF days, right? ;)
02:20:14TerrorByteThank you guys.
02:20:27TerrorByteUmmm.... right. :P
02:20:45TerrorByteI think you guys should provide a checklist that people can follow.
02:20:53TerrorByteBecause holding left is written in one line.
02:20:57TerrorByteAnd it's easy to skip that.
02:22:01PaulPositionTerrorbyte - I think there is a p[art in the manual concerned about dualbooting. The blob I put decrypting info into (and which I linked you to) is mostly concerned with installation.
02:22:12PaulPositionNot sure...
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02:24:45Tadpole324'm getting "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher.
02:25:11Tadpole324What's wrong?
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02:26:36CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:26:36*TerrorByte doesn't know.
02:28:47TerrorByteI love the namil-8 font.
02:28:49TerrorByteI always use it :)
02:30:39TerrorByteFound something else guys.
02:30:51TerrorByteWhen you boot it in the original firmware, it screws some things up.
02:31:02TerrorByteIt makes the "Music" folder hidden, if you have one.
02:31:07TerrorByteWhich is retarted.
02:31:22TerrorByteI renamed it in all caps xD
02:32:08TerrorByteWow, you guys also got recording up and working.
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02:32:21TerrorByteThank you so much.
02:32:51TerrorByteI have a question.
02:32:54TerrorByteFor the recording format.
02:33:07TerrorByteWhat format should I choose?
02:33:08TerrorByteWhat's the difference?
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02:33:13TerrorBytePCM is uncompressed??
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02:36:27TerrorByteUhhh guys
02:36:33TerrorByteI can't play any music for some reason.
02:36:39TerrorByteThe play symbol is at the top.
02:36:42TerrorByteBut it's not playing.
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02:37:08TerrorByteLittle help?
02:39:25ctaylorrCheck volume? Is the timer counting?
02:39:38Tadpole324You have speakers? :)
02:39:40TerrorByteTimer is not counting.
02:39:44TerrorByteI have HEADPHONES.
02:39:52TerrorByteTimer is not moving btw.
02:40:12TerrorByteThis has never happened before.
02:40:33ctaylorrIs it completely locked up? Are you able to seek?
02:43:13TerrorByteFound out..
02:43:16TerrorByteIt worked totally fine.
02:43:20TerrorByteI rebooted, and its fine now.
02:43:26TerrorByteAfter I record something.
02:43:28TerrorByteIt screws up.
02:43:54ctaylorrWhat was the problem? You may want to open a bug if you didn't expect this behaviour.
02:44:58TerrorByteAfter I record something.
02:45:05TerrorByteI can't play any audio files.
02:46:05ctaylorrUnderstood. This is likely a bug. If there isn't already a bug opened on FS, you may want to open one so the devs are aware.
02:46:33TerrorByteI'm going to check it out a bit more.
02:46:36TerrorByteThen open a bug.
02:48:57TerrorByteRecording isn't in the manual.
02:49:57ctaylorrHmm...perhaps it's new functionality. I recall it only being mentioned recently in commit logs.
02:50:26TerrorByteYes it is very new.
02:50:26Tadpole324ctaylorr: Do you know anything about "[ERR] Bad boot sector signature" from ipodpatcher?
02:50:31TerrorByteWTH is gain
02:50:40TerrorByteAnd Clipping Light.
02:51:38ctaylorrHmmm...clipping light. Sounds like the indicator in the VU meter plugin that lets you know when it thinks clipping is occuring (distrortion from high volume).
02:51:44ctaylorrGain is, well, gain.
02:52:04TerrorByteI see.
02:52:08TerrorByteExplain gain.
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02:52:47ctaylorrTadpole324: Not sure. I don't own an ipod, so I'm not sure what that error would indicate.
02:53:24Tadpole324ctaylorr: Too bad. :-(
02:54:00ctaylorrTerrorByte: In rockbox, it's the amount of amplification you have Rockbox apply. If (either via the volume controls, or eq) it's too high, you'll hear distortion, depending on the quality of your speakers. This is clipping.
02:54:23Tadpole324ctaylorr: This is when I try to backup my iPod firmware before installing rockbox.
02:54:23TerrorByteI see.
02:55:59TerrorByteI don't understand how to change gain and volume accordingly.
02:56:01ctaylorrTadpole324: I really don't know anything about ipodcatcher. Sry. Perhaps the forums can help you...doesn't seem like anyone's reading the channel.
02:56:09TerrorByteDo I just learn by experimentation?
02:56:41Tadpole324ctaylorr: Okay, thanks.
02:56:43ctaylorrTerrorByte: Well, you can usually notice when clipping is occuring, and that's when you adjust volume/eq settings accordingly (by turning them down).
02:56:50TerrorByteI see.
02:56:53TerrorByteWhat is trigger?
02:57:05TerrorByteIn recording settings.
02:58:13ctaylorrTerrorByte: Ah...recording...not too familiar with recording, but gain and clipping make more sense wrt recording. I'm not sure but there could be gain options in rockbox which allow you to adjust how much it tries to amplify what it's recording.
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02:58:35TerrorByteAnd what is trigger?
02:58:53ctaylorrTrigger: What causes clipping, or do you mean, which menu?
02:59:05TerrorByteIt's got Trigger, and the options I can choose are: Off, Once, Repeat
02:59:09TerrorByteThis is also in recording.
02:59:21TerrorByteAlso has Trigger Type.
03:00:56ctaylorrHmm (just looking at the options now on my player)...I couldn't guess what trigger means without documentation. It could mean `what does pressing select do?'.
03:01:35ctaylorrMay want to ask on the forums as no one is actually here. Otherwise you may just want to experiment a bit to see what it could mean.
03:01:53TerrorByteWell, I'm going to go to sleep.
03:02:11TerrorByteJust finished a major project for school today :)
03:02:22TerrorByteAnd I've slept past 3 for the last 3 days.
03:02:33TerrorByteIt's 9 PM right now, and I'm going to fall asleep any second.
03:02:53TerrorByteBetter if I'm lying in a bed then if I'm slumped over the computer table :P
03:03:22TerrorByteErr yeah.
03:03:25TerrorByteThanks for your help.
03:03:35TerrorByteAnd thank you to everyone who's worked on the H10.
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03:14:44SoapPlayback being broken on the iPods after recording is a known issue
03:14:52*myzar licks scorche
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03:34:21billytwowillyAnyone in or around edmonton alberta want a free archos jukebox 6000, the mp3 player that started this whole thing?
03:35:01billytwowillyor anyone willing to pay shipping and want a free archos jukebox 6000? Did I mention it's been modded to have a 20 gig harddrive instead of the stock 6 gb?
03:36:08jhMikeSbillytwowilly: it works with rockbox? could use a hwcodec test platform
03:37:30billytwowillyIt's the original rockbox platform man.. The one rockbox was built for and on originally.
03:37:34billytwowillylemme dig up a link.
03:38:10jhMikeSwhy's nothing called "jukebox" in the build table? is that really just the player?
03:38:41billytwowillyclick on the player link and you'll see
03:38:51billytwowilly"Archose jukebox 5000, 6000, studio 10 and 20
03:38:58billytwowillyall same/similar I think.
03:39:38jhMikeSyeah, shipping should be pretty cheap. it doesn't have to be fast.
03:40:03jhMikeSit's fully functional right? needs to be to be of devolopment use
03:40:14billytwowillywell, I don't have any packaging, so you'd have to buy a padded envelope or something.
03:40:28billytwowillyIt was when I put it in a plastic bag two years ago.
03:40:41billytwowillythe batteries are dead. Lemme plug it in and let it charge a bit and see.
03:41:35jhMikeSI have to send you an envelope? :\ Can't just charge me for one at the PO? :)
03:41:49billytwowillyyah, that's what I mean.
03:42:03billytwowillyso It'd probably cost 10 bucks? I don't know, I haven't shipped anything in a while.
03:43:51jhMikeS10 Canadian right, for the envelope alone or the shipping? At the PO here you just pick up free boxes at the counter and pay the shipping.
03:44:00billytwowillyoh yah. It has a weird usb plug. Lemme see if I have the cable still. THe plug on the player is the same as on the computer.
03:44:08billytwowillyHeh. I even have the usb cable.
03:44:33billytwowillyI don't know what it would cost man. Where are you located? You can go to canada post's website and get a rough estimate.
03:44:54billytwowillyAt the post office by my place they don' t have boxes, they just have these envelopes with bubble wrap built in.
03:45:19billytwowillymy postal code is t6r 2b5
03:48:27jhMikeS48302 michigan, us
03:50:40jhMikeSwhat's it weigh about?
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03:54:14jhMikeSSmall packet USA surface is $6.65 on .45 kg (guess) 25x20x5cm there abouts
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04:03:00billytwowillyjhMikeS: maybe 3 lbs when all done? I don't know, it's pretty light. 1 lb?
04:03:30billytwowillythat's about right. Plus 3-5 bucks for packaging from the post office.
04:03:51jhMikeSmy x5 shipped in a box was < 1 lb so that can't be too different
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04:04:03billytwowillyIt's probably right.
04:04:38billytwowillySend me a cheque or some other form of money for ten bucks US and I'll mail it to you
04:05:02jhMikeSno paypal? can do a postal money order?
04:05:14jhMikeSit's working ok?
04:05:17billytwowillyI don't use paypal. Postal money order? How does that work?
04:05:28jhMikeSjust a money order you cash at a bank
04:05:34billytwowillyI haven't checked yet. I'm still charging it. Let me try and turn it on.
04:05:38billytwowillyYah, that's fine.
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04:06:27jhMikeSdon't know if there's any wierdness when using them internationally or not...will check
04:06:42billytwowillyIt appears to be working fine. The batteries may be crap, I can't remember how old they are. There are check ni-cad AA like batteries though.
04:07:01billytwowillyI think there are different color ones. One is for in US one is for international.
04:07:15billytwowillyI have an ipaq 6350 and a palm tungsten t2 as well.
04:07:21billytwowillyIf you want either of those.
04:07:58jhMikeSYes, I just checked. They cost $3.45 US
04:08:02billytwowillythe t2's power button is busted (a problem endemic to all the Tungsten t series I've used so far)
04:08:17billytwowillyouch. Might be better just to send me a cheque;)
04:08:37billytwowillyIf you're not good for it I can always mail you something else nasty;)
04:08:49jhMikeSa few buck won't kill me.
04:08:54jhMikeSyou can't turn it on?
04:09:09billytwowillythe tungsten t2? You can, you just hit the other buttons, which work fine.
04:09:31billytwowillyIt's more of a PITA when you want to turn it off because you basically have to let it time out and turn itself off.
04:09:36billytwowillyThe jukebox is working fine.
04:09:40jhMikeSdo they have simple switches. I've repairs such things in the past
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04:10:48jhMikeSI've gotta do some mailing in the next couple of days since Cowon botched my x5 repair. At least they're paying the shipping back to them.
04:10:57billytwowillyI'm not sure, I replaced it with an axim x51v and haven't looked back...
04:11:35jhMikeSIf I can work and use it as a testing device for playback rework then I'm happy
04:11:40billytwowillyk, mind if I pm you my address? I'm leaving for 2 weeks on the 24th, so I'll get back on the 7th and probably mail it out to you some time that week.
04:11:56billytwowillyI think you should be able to. It runs rockbox software anyway.
04:12:03billytwowillyIt is old though, about 5 years probably.
04:12:15jhMikeSsure pm
04:13:29billytwowillyJust include your address info in the envelope with the money order.
04:13:48billytwowillyAnd maybe check to see if it's still useful as a dev platform?
04:14:01jhMikeSThe money order has sender and receiver addresses. I'll have the return on the box too of course.
04:14:23billytwowillyOh, You're going to send me a box?
04:14:43jhMikeSno, wasn't gonna do that. just use the envelope.
04:14:54billytwowillyoh ok, sorry, I got confused for a minute;)
04:15:04*jhMikeS doesn't know why he said "box" :P
04:15:23billytwowillyThat's cool, we're understanding on the same level now;)
04:15:43billytwowillyIt's all good. You should probably get your dev platoform middle to end of january I would guess.
04:15:52jhMikeSso any time to send it to you is cool?
04:16:21jhMikeSor wait until after the 7th?
04:16:30billytwowillyIt's fine. i kinda want it out of my apartment when I get back on january 7th, so If you could send it so it's waiting in my mail box when I get back that would be great.
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04:17:50jhMikeSshould it be addressed to billytwowilly or the real name =:)
04:18:34billytwowillyWell, I'm going to go fiddle with my xbox. cheers.
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05:31:21Hdaackdahi there.
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05:32:13HdaackdaThere is an app in rockbox titled 'Dict'. I didnt find any documentation for it in rockbox manuals. Whenever I enter a name/word etc, it gives me an error!
05:32:31Hdaackdasaying something like Unable to initialize/open index file
05:32:56LloreanHdaackda: Currently there doesn't seem to be any documentation for it.
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05:34:24Hdaackdabut does it work? if yes, where can i get the index file.
05:34:36Hdaackdamaybe i can try and write a document for it
05:34:51LloreanIf I recall you had to generate the index using a certain tool.
05:35:16homielowe, use the precompiled at the bottom
05:36:27homieloweI like the wikipedia one better except for the extremely large dump files
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05:46:15homielowefrom iPodlinux?
05:48:32Hdaackdahomielowe: but i dont think where is one for the rockbox (the wiki one)
05:49:38homieloweipl is down :(
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05:54:53JdGordonany linux ppl here? i need help wth my grub list..
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05:58:02TheCollectorJdGordon: I might be able to help
05:58:31JdGordonwindows is installed on the first partition of the primary slave hard disk... is wat the optio looks liek
05:58:39JdGordonbut it just freezes after saying "Starting" ?
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06:00:25TheCollectorand it's worked before?
06:00:33TheCollectoror is this a new install?
06:00:55JdGordonnew install... i had linux going but just installed windows onto a seperate disk
06:01:06JdGordonI have to change the boot order atm to get into windows
06:01:48TheCollectorI'd probably just try to re-install grub to the MBR of the primary disk
06:02:13JdGordonthats where it is... i have grub there and windows is installed in the mbr of the 2nd disk
06:02:16TheCollectorI know that's not much help, but I've never seen that particular problem before
06:02:31TheCollectorbut you installed windows after linux, right?
06:02:52TheCollectorI've had that mess stuff up a lot bofore
06:02:55JdGordonyeah, didnt have the linux disk connected at the time
06:03:09TheCollectorlet me ask a friend real quick
06:05:59TheCollectorI'm not sure if windows will boot (easily) from a non-primary disk
06:06:14TheCollectorlemme see if I can find anything
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06:10:31TheCollectoryeah, everything I see says to install windows to the primary drive, and linux to the secondary while installing the linux bootloader to the primary drive's MBR
06:11:23TheCollectorshould be easy to swap them out
06:11:44TheCollectorand there's grub install tutorials a-plenty on the web
06:14:47JdGordonok, found some, gonna try it out
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06:19:02JdGordondidnt work :(
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06:19:56TheCollectoryou installed grub on the windows hd MBR already?
06:25:00TheCollectorI'd recommend booting from a livecd with the windows drive as hda and the linux drive as hdb, then installing grub onto the MBR of hda
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06:30:45inteliwaspwell i have an interesting problem... i acedently let the battries drain on my ipod and now i cant use he usb to charge it...
06:31:14LloreanWhy can't you?
06:31:56inteliwaspi have less than 10 seconds to do anything then the protection circuts cut off the power
06:32:14LloreanWhy do you need to do anything?
06:32:40inteliwasphow am i to charge it?
06:32:47LloreanPlug it in?
06:33:07LloreanCharging is automated, whether you see visible signs of it or not.
06:33:54inteliwaspit just keeps rebooting then abruptly shuting off
06:34:15LloreanTry rebooting it into disk mode then.
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06:34:45inteliwaspjust before it finalises the connection, it turnes off
06:35:24LloreanAnd have you tried booting into the Apple firmware?
06:35:40inteliwaspsame thing
06:36:04LloreanHow are you trying to boot Disk Mode and/or Apple_OS?
06:36:06inteliwaspi am about to barrow my brother's firewire to try
06:36:21LloreanI said "how"
06:36:28LloreanAs in "what buttons are you pressing, when?"
06:36:33inteliwaspthru the alt boot and the diag boot
06:37:18LloreanWhat do you mean by "alt boot"?
06:37:29inteliwasp1 sec
06:38:50inteliwaspby pressing the "menu" key then press and hold "menu
06:39:19inteliwaspand for diag, press and hold select and the left button
06:39:36LloreanSo, you haven't tried the actual disk mode combo?
06:40:35inteliwaspthere is one? i'm all ears
06:41:05LloreanAs opposed to Left+Select
06:41:19inteliwaspdoes the cable need to be in first?
06:41:25LloreanNot necessarily
06:41:39LloreanThough my recommendation would be to plug in the cable, reboot with Menu+Select, then immediately hold Play+Select
06:41:49LloreanIt should go into the disk mode before ever showing the Rockbox loader.
06:42:14inteliwasptrying now...
06:43:52inteliwasphrmmm.... i get a strange charging icon...
06:44:25LloreanA strange charging icon?
06:45:55inteliwaspit's in the middle of the screen rather large battery and a lightninh bolt on the left side
06:46:11LloreanThat's the emergency disk mode charging screen.
06:46:47inteliwaspafter about 2 mins with that it tries to reboot
06:47:05inteliwaspok i got to the disk mode scree
06:47:20LloreanAre you sure your PC is providing enough power on the USB port, consistently?
06:47:35inteliwaspbut it says "ok to disconnect" BUT i's not turnning off... i think it's charging
06:47:53*inteliwasp crosses fingers
06:47:56LloreanGood luck
06:48:14*inteliwasp also prays to the tech gods
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07:48:44scorchedan_a: it was bit 8 that caused the backlight always being on and affected use of the HOLD switch
07:49:56scorchei am charging up for a battery_bench right now...i will tell you the results later (hopefully more than 8.5 hours later ;)
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07:55:25Lloreanscorche: What are you benching?
07:55:46scorchethe battery life of course ;)
07:56:06LloreanDon't make me come over there.
07:56:20LloreanI meant, under what conditions and with which player, as I assumed you had good reason for a new bench. :-P
07:57:29scorchei am benching my nano with a build that disables 21 bits of the device enable register
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08:15:41hypoanyone around?
08:15:47LloreanThere often are, yes.
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08:16:15JdGordonanyone is a "they" now?
08:16:54hypoI have an ipod video and was wondering if (for the moment) it is best to switch back to the original apple firmware when I want to watch a movie?
08:17:08JdGordonunless your deaf i would say yes
08:17:50LloreanSeeing as Rockbox doesn't support audio in videos yet. :)
08:18:06hyposo to switch back I need to hold the select and menu keys together than release the select key when the apple shows up?
08:18:33Lloreanhard resetting is not the recommended method
08:18:44hypohow would I go about doing it?
08:18:57LloreanProperly shutting down, and then holding menu immediately after turning on.
08:19:13LloreanAs it says in all the documentation relating to the dual boot option.
08:19:33scorcheor if you have the new bootloader, turning on the hold switch immediately after waking the device
08:19:45scorcheLlorean: need to change your macros ;)
08:20:02Lloreanscorche: Menu still works. :-P
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08:20:24LloreanAnd I was actually in favor of hold disabling USB detection, rather than booting into Apple OS, so that car adapter mode would work. :-P
08:20:46hypook, i think i'll go try that out now. btw does the video have to be in a special folder for apple to recognize it?
08:20:51LloreanBut just having Car Adapter mode enabled could serve the same purpose as holding Menu in-Rockbox.
08:20:56JdGordonuser configurable buttons in the bootloaders ftw !
08:21:24Lloreanhypo: You have to use iTunes, but that's something you're best simply reading the official manual for.
08:21:45hypoLlorean: =( ok thanks
08:21:52hypothanks for all your help so far
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08:35:43JdGordonhas anyone had a look at the cuesheet patchs? I think the one that puts it in the core could actually be commitable!
08:36:49JdGordonapart from its slightly excessive ram usage
08:37:48LloreanHow much does it use?
08:38:09JdGordon13KB just for the info which most of the time wouldnt be ful
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08:38:28JdGordoni'm tihking it might be annoying for hwcodec, but fine for sw
08:40:50LloreanMost of the time?
08:41:36JdGordonwell, the maximum subtracks a legal .cue can have is 99, so 99x2x64 bytes are needed to store all that
08:41:48JdGordonbut, usually much less that all 99 tracks would be used
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08:42:28*JdGordon hopes Nico_P comes online tonigh
08:45:34dan_ascorche: Bit 8 isn't referred to in our code. That means that things are on which we didn't switch on, which in turn means that turning them off *might* do some good :)
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08:48:44scorchewell, we will find out =)
08:51:31scorchedan_a: also, i was wondering that if i were to run the same build on a video, if it would be broken in some way due to the different hardware (excluding recording for this question)
08:52:49dan_ascorche: There is only one way to find out! What are you trying it on at the moment?
08:53:09scorchemy nano
08:56:52scorcheif bit 8 wasnt "switched on" in our code, does that mean that it is also likely that i turned some things on which dont stand a purpose other than to use up battery for our purposes with this build?
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08:57:30markunscorche: mpeg player is working on the Gigabeat now, it looks very good!
08:57:54scorchemarkun: so i see! (i am in that channel too and was in fact, about to comment on it)
08:57:58markunwe had to disable some ARM assembly and now my 144x320 test movie runs at 55fps
08:58:41Bagderhehe, and that's with disabled assembly :-)
08:59:03markunYes, somehow it gave an 'unknown instruction' error
09:00:30scorcheit seems like this past month has been a good one for rockbox =)
09:01:06Bagdermarkun: so we're on track for a gigabeat cvs/daily build?
09:01:43dan_ascorche: I don't think you're likely to have turned anything on that you shouldn't have. We'll see what happens with the battery bench
09:02:06markunBagder: I thought I made all the changes to my commit tree, but then I tried the resulting bootloader (just as a formality I thought) and it nearly bricked my player
09:02:25markunSo it needs a little more testing
09:02:42BagderI'm just eager to get more builds! ;-)
09:02:49*Llorean is curious what "Nearly Bricked" means :)
09:03:03Bagdera near-brick experience can be daunting
09:03:05scorchemarkun: speaking of, how hard is the gigabeat to brick?
09:03:26markunLlorean: It's what people in the forums call bricked :)
09:03:39scorchedan_a: may i ask why? (i am still trying to get into a glimpse of more of the lower lever stuff)
09:03:43LloreanAh, so "It didn't work and I had to recover it?"
09:04:18markunYes, needed to remove the HDD, boot up to generate a system error, reconnect the HDD (while the player was on!) and insert USB
09:04:55markunToshiba's bootloader (in flash) only enters USB mode this way
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09:05:21markunWe've looked at the disassembly a long time but couldn't find any button compination or something like that
09:05:43LloreanAt least there's a way, though
09:05:45dan_ascorche: I'm pretty sure that for that register, setting a bit to "1" enables that device, and "0" disables it. As long as you have only been setting things to 0, we should be OK
09:06:34scorcheheh...i completely forgot that i was setting it all to 0...
09:07:50*scorche feels stupid
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09:08:29markunBagder: and there has been some progress with audio playback, we're almost there.
09:08:50*amiconn hates NiMH batteries which lose 90% of their charge in 2 days :(
09:08:51Bagdermarkun: that is lovely to hear!
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09:10:12dan_aWell done markun and team!
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09:13:33*dan_a thinks he has found a bug in the Sansa flash driver
09:13:43lexusbhost doesn't work on sansa either? :o
09:14:48dan_alex: USB in Rockbox doesn't work on any PortalPlayer target yet (Sansa, iPod, H10.) It's not an easy thing to do, but we've started on it.
09:14:59lexso then i read right
09:15:15lexi know it's hard but that's the second reason why i can't use only rockbox
09:15:18Bagderlex: we could use an extra pair of hands there... (hint hint)
09:15:37lexi can only program some php and vb... i guess i'm not useful to you :D
09:15:41webguest99On the wiki page 'UiSimulator' (which has been edited recently), the names of the buttons for iriver should be changed: SELECT−−>NAVI, MODE−−>A-B, ON−−>PLAY, OFF−−>STOP. Could someone please do this as I don't have wiki account.
09:16:06peturthen get one ;)
09:16:07dan_alex: You mean you can only program some php and vb *at the moment*
09:16:30lexdan_a: at the moment, yes, but programming is not going to my life anymore as far as i see
09:17:06lexbut now i need to take a shower ->
09:19:18webguest99 petur: for some reasons, a wouldn't do it
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09:27:35martian67does anyone have a version of foo_pod that accually works?
09:28:24martian67their link is down and i cant get it
09:28:46martian67i found the o version on another website, but it dosent work, foobar craps out
09:29:11LloreanThis is #rockbox...
09:29:42martian67i kno, but alot of people use foo_pod to use a normal directory tree
09:29:55martian67and still have it work in apple firmware
09:30:17LloreanActually, the vast majority of people who speak in this channel don't use the apple firwmare
09:30:33martian67Llorean: yes, but it is worth a shot ;P
09:32:19scorchenot really
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09:37:53linuxstb_Llorean: Do you know what happened to the old 5.5g thread in New Ports? Do locked threads automatically disappear after a certain time?
09:38:20myzarhello linuxstb_
09:38:22myzarhello scorche
09:39:50Lloreanlinuxstb_: I semi-removed it. It's in the "To be deleted" area, to see if anyone complains of its absence.
09:40:07linuxstb_GodEater complained yesterday...
09:40:10Lloreanlinuxstb_: It didn't seem beneficial anymore, as far as I was aware, but I didn't want to delete it outright.
09:40:24LloreanWhat was he looking for in it?
09:40:48linuxstb_I don't know, he just said it contained useful information.
09:42:12LloreanThere shouldn't really be any information posted only in the forums. :( He should've used the wiki. Well, tell him to PM me with what he wants me to pull out of it, I assume it's 80gb related stuff, I can split those out then add them into the 80gb thread i suppose.
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09:42:49Bagderah, goodie
09:42:51markuntucoz: thanks!
09:43:07tucozIt is not a very fun read at the momen though
09:43:11tucozmarkun: np
09:43:27tucoznot a single screenshot :)
09:43:36martian67does anyone have a version of foo_pod that accually works?
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09:44:48scorchemartian67: stop asking
09:45:15LloreanYour question is unrelated to Rockbox.
09:45:38scorcheand therefore doesnt belong here
09:47:51linuxstb_Llorean: What did you mean earlier when you said you were in favor of hold disabling USB detection? Were you talking about the bootloader or in Rockbox?
09:48:32Lloreanlinuxstb_: I liked the idea of "If hold is on, Rockbox boots like normal but does not go into USB mode" so that if you flipped the hold switch on, Car Adapter mode could work readily, instead of booting into USB mode on USB detection
09:49:10martian67well once they get the remote protocal added in
09:49:12Lloreanlinuxstb_: But another rather simple solution is that if Car Adapter mode is on, it acts in the same way as if Menu were held down, charging rather rebooting to USB mode
09:49:54LloreanAs far as I've noticed, it only ever enters USB mode in Rockbox anyway.
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09:56:10markunlinuxstb_: the ARM version of CLIP in idct.c of the mpegplayer generates a invalid instruction error on the Gigabeat. Any idea why? The code looks so simple.
09:57:08PaulJamhi, i have a little question: is it intended, that rockbox creates an .m3u playlist instead of an . m3u8 playlist if you use the create playlist option in the menu? i thought rockbox uses unicode playlists now by default.
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09:57:40markunPaulJam: I think that's a bug then
09:57:44JdGordonPaulJam: did you create the playlist initially from a .m3u?
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09:59:12dan_aBagder: Do you think your Sandisk contact might be able to approach AMS on our behalf, and have more luck than we have? Especially if you tell him that sound is the big difference between Rockbox on the Sansa and their main competition?
09:59:33BagderI can try but I have no real hope
09:59:49BagderI've asked numerous similar questions that remain unanswered
09:59:56JdGordonsansa must have the docs.. so you just need to convince someone there to pass them along...
10:00:05JdGordonhow much is in the rockbox fund atm :p
10:00:13Bagderthey don't necessarily have the docs
10:00:20PaulJamJdGordon: i navigated to the music directory and then used the create playlist option, there was no playlist there before (but i havent tried yet with a clean cvs build).
10:00:22Bagderthey use the PP API
10:00:42JdGordonPaulJam: prob a bug then like markun said
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10:03:53markunPaulJam: I found the problem
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10:04:25PaulJamgood :)
10:06:03linuxstbmarkun: No, I can't help with the CLIP() function. But I'm glad you found the problem.
10:07:18myzarhay Bagder
10:07:35markunPaulJam: fixed
10:08:04PaulJamthanks markun.
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10:12:48amiconnmarkun: CLIP() generates an invalid instruction error? That's just 2 instructions....
10:13:47amiconnAre you able to find out which instruction actually causes the error? I'd expect it to not be one of the 2 instructions itself
10:14:23amiconnA disassembly, the .map file and the error address should be helpful
10:15:37amiconnThe arm CLIP() is my work, and btw, the jpeg viewer uses the exact same clipping sequence
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10:21:03Bagderdan_a: you want a sansa with radio to try your radio work on?
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10:24:08markunamiconn: I didn't find the bug, I'll ask gotthardt because I don't have time now myself
10:24:33markunbut I believe the instructions where at wildly different addresses depending on the movie I played
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10:45:14markunPaulJam: can you update rockbox and check if it works now?
10:46:23PaulJamyes it works now (that was why i logged of, because i booted linux to compile).
10:47:09markunthe search and iriverify plugins still use .m3u
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10:48:51PaulJami don't know, i never use these.
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11:17:32amiconnmarkun: Does the jpeg viewer work on gigabeat?
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11:19:21markunamiconn: yes, works fine
11:19:30markundoes it use the same code?
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11:21:10PaulJamcould someone who is using a cvs build test something for me before i report the problem? open a textfile via the "open with" menu with the text editor while music is playing and then exit the editor by pressing stop (without changing the file). for me then playback stopps too.
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11:38:27amiconnmarkun: [10:15:36] <amiconn> The arm CLIP() is my work, and btw, the jpeg viewer uses the exact same clipping sequence
11:38:50amiconnSee jpeg.c lines 222ff
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12:32:40LloreanBagder: The SVN thing sounds good.
12:33:37LloreanMakes sense to pick a date, and just get it over with.
12:34:00Bagderyeah, and just let things break if they do and then just fix them
12:34:49amiconnBagder: Talking about fixing things - for some reason the cvs activity table doesn't use the full width of the browser window.
12:34:52LloreanYep. You can't be 100% prepared no matter what you do, but you can always fix things.
12:35:13*Bagder put a 2GB US sansa in an envelope and wrote dan_a's address on it
12:36:18Bagderamiconn: that seems to be what the browser does, I don't see how we cause that to happen
12:37:14amiconnI think that it's caused by the sponsors table being right aligned within the single right-hand cell of the main table
12:37:19LloreanIt looks like it's being stopped by the sponsors bar.
12:38:08amiconnI wonder why the rockbox site still (mis)uses tables for layout when it already uses cvs for many things
12:38:33LloreanCSS you mean?
12:38:38Bagderbecause we think other things are more important
12:39:27amiconnWith my high-res screen the table width is not a real problem, but with smaller screens it probably is
12:39:27habanaCan anyone confirm/dismiss this answer ? i have a big doubt
12:39:48LloreanI don't even know what you're saying there.
12:40:00LloreanAre you saying someone suggested that, or has already done that?
12:41:40habananot sure but when i readed IRC log, think i saw something of this kind
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12:43:36LloreanThe idea behind the bootloader is to generally be fast, a graphical bootloader is somewhat the opposite idea.
12:44:02pixelmaBagder: there are _no_ </p> tags in the rockbox front page (as seen be my browsers)
12:44:21habanaplease google "19.26.32 # <Gnelik> char items[MENU_COUNT][256];"
12:44:27amiconnThey're not required in HTML4.0 transitional...
12:44:51Bagderperhaps putting that sponsor thing within a <div> or something will make a difference
12:45:23amiconnFor some reason complains abot a missing </table>, but I can't see which one is missing
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12:45:57BetaCookiesSomething happened and my rockbox bootloader got eaten!
12:46:47Lloreanhabana: All he says is that he has an idea that Rockbox should have a graphical bootloader. Many people have suggested this.
12:46:51JdGordon_Bagder: i like the idea of setting a date, but youve icked an odd one... does europe have the chrimas/new years holiday? I would have that that week would be better then the 8th because people wouldnt has as much real world commitments? (of course, i could be very wrong) ?
12:47:38BagderI picked a date that would suit me
12:47:45habanaLlorean:ok, i replace "made" by "suggested"
12:48:23JdGordon_fair enough :)
12:48:31pixelma...and in the left site menu the input box sticks at the "search" header - that doesn't happen in the wiki sites - *shrug*
12:48:39*Llorean thinks a date good for Bagder is a good idea, considering who's going to end up with a good chunk of work relating to it.
12:48:45*JdGordon_ wonders if would be useful?
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12:49:30Lloreanpixelma: Our menu bar is also very slightly different for the forums too. I tried tinkering with it, but it was unfriendly.
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12:51:11BagderJdGordon_: is there any sample output somewhere?
12:51:26JdGordon_Bagder: no idea, first hit on google for svn2html
12:51:35Nico_PJdGordon_: hi
12:51:37Bagderbut yeah, it looks like a good script
12:51:40JdGordon_Nico_P: hey, i tried your patch and i love it
12:51:55JdGordon_only problem is its excessive ram usage
12:52:08Nico_Pwhich part is using too much ram ?
12:52:17JdGordon_the track info structure
12:52:25Nico_Pthe gloabl struct cuesheet ?
12:52:26*JdGordon_ brb, rebotting into linux
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12:52:59LloreanWhat happens if you insert more than one cuesheet?
12:53:10LloreanOr is it only used when the cuesheet itself is active?
12:53:42Nico_PLlorean: that's a good question, I've thought about it but not tested it yet... I think it should work.. only the current cuesheet is loaded
12:54:31habanaLlorean:concerning the graphical GUi, i must admit i often push left button 1/2 sec too late and boot on ... nothing. Or on the bad firmware by error.
12:54:34LloreanMy original suggestion re cuesheets was simply not to use them in playlists, and treat a .cue as a special case playlist in its own right.
12:55:33LloreanNico_P: How 'bout a maximum_sections_in_cue style variable, much like the max files in folders one, so that users can decrease the memory used by CUE (or even disable it, which could be the default, so there's no cost to non-users up front)?
12:55:35Nico_PLlorean: In the patch, cuesheets are added as single tracks and the track skipping is done in the WPS or in the cuesheet viewer
12:55:46*Llorean has looked at the patch, and how it does it. :)
12:55:49LloreanI'm happy with your way too.
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12:57:03Nico_PLlorean: having a max sections value is a good idea
12:57:14Lloreanhabana: The solution would be a longer term to pick up the keypress, rather than slowing down how long it takes to boot.
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12:58:03Nico_Pbut isn't there a way to have it a little more dynamic (Bagder ?)
12:58:05JdGordondamn fsck!
12:58:28LloreanJdGordon: I suggested while you were gone that it have a Max Sections in Cue menu entry, like the files in folders, allowing it to be set from 0-99 (0 disabling it entirely and freeing up the memory, which I think would serve best as default since Cue users are probably not the majority)
12:59:39JdGordonim glad this was brought up.... i was looking at Bagder's site and found his malloc library.... How about adding that in for swcodec with a user settable buffer size to be used by the more obscure settings?
12:59:59JdGordonfor instance.. the cue buffer..
13:01:11Nico_Pthat would be nice
13:01:23Nico_Pit would also be helpful for album art
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13:01:51Nico_PJdGordon: could you point me to that lib ?
13:02:07JdGordongive it by default a 1mb buffer, if people dont want any features it allows then the et it to 0 and the malloc calls fail so that feature is disabled..
13:02:44JdGordonBagder: what do yo think?
13:02:54lamedhello guys!! I just got my second hand h340 from paypal and i'm so exicteD!!! someone please let me know fast if they both using the same adaptors except the bigger jack (I mean the h1x0 series and the h3x0)
13:03:23Lloreanlamed: I've heard they're different, but I'm not 100% sure.
13:04:21lamedI know they are both 5v for 100%, and I don't care about polarity because the h340 has a polarity icon so i know I'm ok with it.
13:04:29lamedI'm just reffering to mah
13:04:51peturmah shouldn't matter
13:05:00habanaLlorean: Could you point me where i should search for a mod to make "left=original" + "right=rockbox" with no action if not selected ?
13:06:01habanameaning to do it myself
13:06:28lamedusing a totally different adaptor, I could brick it
13:06:48lamedby making the battry too warm/explode
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13:07:13Lloreanhabana: I don't believe such a mod exists.
13:07:21peturvoltage and polarity should be the same, mAh should be at least the amount needed
13:07:44lamedyeah i'm afraid to go over!
13:07:52peturusing an adapter with more mAh should be no problem
13:08:08JdGordonnoone wants to talk about malloc in th core? :'(
13:08:08peturthe unit will only consume the current it needs
13:08:13lamedand if it's not enough = no charge?
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13:08:41habanaLlorean:i may try to change that but dont know witch file to hack. Will look tonight in my cvs devel dir
13:08:42peturif it's not enough, the voltage will drop and the adfaptor itself will overheat probably
13:09:05lamedso I'm OK if i connect an ac-dc adaptor that gives 4.5V with the correct polarity?
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13:09:43Nico_PJdGordon: I'd love to have one
13:09:44peturyes, I used a no name brand adapter that gave 4.5V and correct polarity last week, no issues
13:10:07lamed->going on ac ->
13:10:16lamedyey! on
13:10:35peturfirst charge?
13:10:59lamedIT PLAYS MUSIC! i'm impressed! (170 USD, looks totally new, from ebay)
13:11:32peturnice, congrats
13:12:20lamedtt, I think the battery is dead. how long is a recharge cycle on the h340?
13:12:42peturat least 2 hours I think
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13:13:03peturmine is getting old too
13:13:05markunlamed: you can buy a better battery for a few dollars on ebay (from hong kong)
13:13:26lamedtt, I've got a brand new on my h120
13:13:38lamed(bricked: hd problems)
13:13:43*petur runs off again
13:14:31lamedhmmm, iriver's fw is nice, I think i'd better keep it. _not_
13:14:41JdGordonNico_P: does your cue patch let you have as many .cues in a playlist as you want?
13:15:02lamedwhat's USB conn. mode (desktop or Hub) doing?
13:15:09Nico_PJdGordon: well it won't prevent it, but i'm not sure it will work well
13:15:09JdGordonNico_P: oh, and to remove the archos build failure add id3.h in the includes
13:15:27Nico_Poh no, stupid me
13:16:03lamedthat guy's music sucks
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13:17:02pillis there a way to plug an ipod and not start charging?
13:17:58lamedis there a way to plug an h340 and start charging while playing music? (instead of using an ac adaptor)
13:18:32Lloreanpill: Why would you want it to not charge while plugged in?
13:18:36Lloreanlamed: I think hold record.
13:18:42pillbecause i want want to kill my battery
13:18:54pillevery time i plug it for like 1 minute
13:19:03lamedLlorean: when?
13:19:04pilli dont want*
13:19:23Lloreanpill: Why would you think plugging it in for a minute or two would be damaging your battery?
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13:19:34Lloreanlamed: Hold record while plugging in the cable, I believe, again I'm not 100% sure
13:19:34pillbecasue it starts charging
13:19:48Lloreanpill: Yes, it's a lithium ion battery, which does not suffer from memory effect.
13:19:51Slasherili-batteries don't have the "memory effect"
13:19:53pilland even if liion does not suffer from memory effect as much as nicd
13:19:57pillit still does
13:20:13Slasheriso charging it a bit wont damage it
13:20:19lamedLlorean: it just went on usb mode for the first time... up until holding record it started playing music but didn't looked like it was recharging
13:20:41pillstill, i would like to have the choice
13:21:10pillit's the reason i'm still hesitant to mod my ihp-120 to charge over usb as well
13:21:20Slasheripill: NiCd suffers the most from memory effect, NiMH a bit and LiIon not at all (at least that it would affect the lifetime)
13:21:35Nico_PJdGordon: thanks, now it seems to compile fine on all targets :)
13:22:09Slasheripill: the best way to kill li-battery is to completely discharge it
13:22:21pillyeah i know
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13:22:25Lloreanpill: It would be impossible to prevent charging on H120 since it is hardware controlled. Probably also true to an extent on iPod. But lithium ion does not suffer from memory effect.
13:22:34lamed(just like rb liked to do)
13:23:37pillokay then
13:23:41pillthanks for replying :)
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13:24:00pillnow if only some wizard could decrypt the nano 2G firmware
13:24:08pilloh well
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13:31:36Bagderso the table is not full-width even if I do the sponsor thing entirely in css
13:32:12JdGordonit is, but the sponsors are shown wrong p
13:32:34LloreanJdGordon: hit refresh
13:32:39LloreanYour browser's cached the CSS
13:33:04Bagderuh, I found it
13:33:13Bagderand it is fixed
13:33:22JdGordonall hail Bagder :D
13:34:04JdGordonthe long commit messages are slightly less painful to read no :D
13:34:14Nico_Pyay, well done
13:34:49Nico_PJdGordon: I did some testing with a second cuesheet... it almost works but not quite :(
13:35:07JdGordonyou'll figure it out... whats the problem?
13:35:45Nico_Pwell when there are two cuesheets in immediate succession, when the second is loaded its data erases that of the currently playing one
13:35:53Nico_Pwhich leads to confusion in the playback engine
13:36:15Nico_Pi'll try to find a way to correct that but i'm catching a plane soon so not now :)
13:36:53Nico_PBagder: have you rad what we were saying about having a malloc in the core ?
13:37:37*JdGordon wishes his perl and html skills didnt suck so much
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13:38:51BagderNico_P: to use a malloc you first need a chunk of memory to use as heap, where would that come from?
13:38:55amiconnRIFF INFO chunks...
13:39:06JdGordonBagder: audiobuffer
13:39:23Bagder... which you can only claim at boot time, right?
13:39:38JdGordonmalloc would be given a buffer ti can use, user settable
13:39:54JdGordonso, only stuff which is more obscure would use it
13:40:07JdGordonand it wouldnt be on low-mem targets at all
13:40:18Bagderbut you'd have to require a reboot, right?
13:40:21amiconnmalloc is evil...
13:40:39Bagderand how would these "obscure" things use the malloc?
13:40:58Nico_Pso for example here, what would be the smart way to avoid wasting memory when not using cuesheets ?
13:41:11JdGordonstuff like cue support, atm it needs either 30kb or lots of fie reads to work properly
13:41:17Bagderin rockbox you either have the memory or you don't
13:41:27*amiconn wonders what happened to the metadata-on-buffer idea
13:41:34*Nico_P too
13:41:41Bagderyeah, that sounds like the better answer to this too
13:42:28JdGordonwhat im suggesting is that malloc be given a buffer on boot (say, 1mb, but cutomizable) then calls to malloc would be given ram from that buffer..
13:42:32Nico_Pok, so no easy solutio
13:42:54amiconnMetadata on buffer would both solve problems when there are many small tracks, and reduce memory waste when there are only large tracks
13:43:36habanadid somemone ever used tortoiseCVS ?
13:43:43JdGordonand allowing dynamic memory would allow more features which use a bit of ram that not everyone uses, like cue and AA and such
13:44:09Bagderstill not as good as the on-buffer approach imo
13:44:20amiconnDynamic memory would create more probelms than it would ever be able to solve
13:44:29JdGordononly if it was misused
13:44:35Nico_Pso now we need to try to make metadata on buffer happen :)
13:45:02Nico_PBagder: in the mean time, are you considering the cuesheet patch for inclusion in CVS ?
13:46:07Bagderdon't count on me for that, no
13:46:27Bagderthere's a reason I've not committed anything in ages
13:46:45Nico_Pwhat is it ?
13:48:41amiconnJdGordon: The problem is that rockbox uses memory in the opposite way than a desktop OS. On a desktop OS memory is free to start with, and applications allocate from the free pool. The philosophy is that there is always enough free memory, hence an allocation failing is a rare case (which still must be checked for)
13:48:53Nico_Pok, nevermind, i have to go catch my plane :)
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13:49:32amiconnBut rockbox uses as much memory as it can (to save disk spinups), and every malloc buffer set aside is a (bad) compromise
13:50:12JdGordonamiconn: right, I get that, but if rules are enforced as to what can actually use malloc? Im not suggesting replace every buffer with it, only obscure stuff whih can use excessive amounts, and not be used often
13:50:20amiconnAlso, the checks for failed allocations make the code considerably more complex, without a real benefit
13:51:15amiconnQuite the opposite can happen: an allocation failing might cause strange behaviour, or a feature refusing to work under certain conditions...
13:51:33amiconnI wouldn't want my rockboxed device to display a memory error...
13:52:25amiconnPlugins might use their own malloc if they have to. Plugins which need such things stop playback anyway
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13:54:17JdGordonLike I said, I'm only requesting it for obscure features, and they would fail gracefully if the malloc failed, the res of the core wouldnt care about it.
13:55:00LloreanBut which features can't be implemented in some better way?
13:55:18LloreanSo far, both Album Art and Cue Sheets are solved potentially more effectively with metadata on buffer.
13:56:29JdGordonmulti fonts? langs? I don't know....
13:56:53JdGordonalthough, both would be able to be done at boot anyway
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14:04:49JdGordonnot fail gracefully... just the feature would be disabled
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14:24:16JdGordonspeaking of useless features which would be nice to have... anyone not like fs 2885?- ignore the in sort order
14:26:29LloreanI don't see why that needs to take up code space, at least for filetree.
14:26:41BagderI agree with Llorean
14:26:43LloreanMaybe a feature of TagCache (though I'd prefer simply using the sort-by tags)
14:27:25JdGordonmeh, its a pretty small patch, and could proabbly be shrunk a bit more
14:27:38LloreanSmall denotes non-zero size.
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14:28:03LloreanSeriously though, what does it add that can't be achieved by simply naming files with ", The" at the end?
14:28:06*JdGordon reminds Llorean the swcodec platforms have ample space for silly features
14:28:22JdGordonthats a PITA to do tho
14:28:24LloreanJdGordon: Ample space still reduces the audio buffer a byte at a time. :-P
14:28:25JdGordonbut your right
14:28:28Bagderand then comes sorting on the "actual" number without needing zero-prefix...
14:28:35Bagderand then comes sorting on native language order
14:28:37Bagderand then ...
14:29:00JdGordonok then, close it as rejected?
14:29:17BagderIMO, yes
14:29:18LloreanThat's my vote, at least
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14:30:52piquadratHi...I'm writing a plugin for rockbox and was wondering if there is a straightforward way to display a menu
14:31:34JdGordonpiquadrat: text_editor.c down the bottom has a nice menu example if you need
14:31:56piquadratI'll have a look, thanks
14:33:04pixelmaJdGordon: speaking of the text_editor menu... why does its menu have blank lines in between the rows that you also have to navigate through? (
14:33:34pixelmayou don't skip them)
14:33:44JdGordonbecause imo it makes it easier to see the different options (which are not related),
14:33:58JdGordonor are you askin whyt hey arnt skipped automgically?
14:36:02JdGordonshould they be removed? easier than adding a callback to skip them
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14:37:58pixelmaI'd prefer if the were skipped (thinking of the small screens too) - but that's only my opinion
14:38:10pixelmaerrr... removed
14:38:30bluebrotherwhy not extend the menu to allow small lines between items?
14:38:41SlasheriJdGordon: or adding real support for "separators" to the gui code
14:38:43*bluebrother ducks and runs
14:39:18JdGordonhmm... what sort of seperators would be nice? just a blank line?
14:39:39Slasheriprobably just a short thing line would do it
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14:40:01Slasheriand a little spacing between the items and the line
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14:40:25JdGordonI dont think that would work too well with the rest of the list code
14:40:54Fukeexcuse me, does anyone know of a RockBOX alternative for Zen - I can't find anything
14:41:02JdGordonusing a full row would be fine, but adding a line between and moving rows down would be complucated
14:41:02Fukesorry to disturb :)
14:41:06SlasheriFuke: there is not any
14:41:15Fukeheh okay.. thanks !
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14:41:24Slasheriunless you go and implement one
14:41:24JdGordoncomplicated == not worth the effort
14:41:33Fukehave a nice day. and keep up the magnificent work on rockbox !
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14:43:22Isotopphi. a friend of mine as an ipod where the "lock" switch is defective (always locked). is there a way to disable locking with rockbox?
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14:44:06SlasheriIsotopp: probably it would be easier to open the ipod and fix / remove the hold switch
14:44:29Slasherii think booting up is not possible if hold is on
14:47:33JdGordonanyone with an ipod handy bored? I want to try a minor fix t the iipod keymaps to allow a-b to be usable....
14:48:41pixelmaJdGordon: what did you come up with? just curious as the Ondio doesn't have a-b repeat for the same reasons...
14:49:17JdGordonplay+left/right... that shhuold work unless there is a hardware problem stopping that combo?
14:49:22habanado someone know wich file to hack if i want to change the rockbox/original firmware boot order ?
14:49:31JdGordonmight be a bit fidly, but better than nothing
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14:50:50JdGordonhabana: which target?
14:52:09LloreanJdGordon: e200
14:52:50JdGordonthen no idea
14:54:00JdGordonwell... does e200 use bootloader/main-pp.c ? probably a quick hack there if it does
14:54:32JdGordonjust change the == to != in line 214 shodl do it
14:57:27JdGordonpixelma: what about this for targets without enough buttons... when a-b mode is set, the first press of menu sets the A spot, then 2nd sets B and the 3rd clears? similar to h300 OF
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14:58:57habanathanks, ill see that
14:59:03JdGordonhabana: my guess is my messages above (below Llorean), but i could be wrong about the file
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15:03:26linuxstbbootloader/SOURCES will tell you which files are used for the different targets
15:05:00pixelmaJdGordon: hmm... sounds like a plan (atm I can't imagine how usable it is though - would have to try). Just make sure that it is a short press of menu because you'd still need to enter the wps context menu with a long press of menu (mode on Ondio) to disable a-b mode again...
15:05:53pixelmaspeaking of trying... I still run a menu settings patched build, is there any progress on that?
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15:06:17JdGordonno, ive lost interest again :p next week
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15:08:03JdGordonshuold the 3rd press disable a-b mode? that would make chosing the button easier..
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15:16:32*JdGordon is a dill.... editing a patched tree :'(
15:16:48JdGordonpixelma: wanna test this out?
15:17:35JdGordonto disable a-b mode does ti only involve setting global_settings.repeat_mode?
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15:18:16pixelmayes I would test
15:19:29JdGordonab mode isnt defined at all for ondio...
15:21:00JdGordonhmmm.... the ondio wouldnt work so well... still need a usable button
15:21:16JdGordonunless we use up or down?
15:21:47pixelmahmm? I thought about the ab-mode you described...
15:21:48JdGordoncant use browse..
15:22:12JdGordonwe could use browse.. but that would disable it in a-b mode..
15:22:20JdGordonis that acceptable?
15:22:51pixelmaI'm a bit confused now...
15:22:56JdGordonunless i add a double click for the regular button
15:23:10JdGordon:) its 1.20am here.. im allowd to be confusing
15:23:21*JdGordon goes to complicate things further
15:27:04pixelmawell the only acceptable button for it would be "mode" when ab-repeat is set (as you suggested first press sets point A, second press sets point B, third press clears point (maybe disable ab-repeat again) the others should behave as usual (volume and seeking)
15:27:12pixelmafor me
15:27:24JdGordonBUTTON_MENU ?
15:29:11pixelmashould be (don't forget the BUTTON_REL)
15:30:01JdGordonwhat im trying to do is still give access to the standard feature of the button with a double click... hopefully the _REL doesnt get in the way of that
15:30:58pixelmathough I don't know how confusing it is to not be able to get to the browser then...
15:33:45pixelmaah.. ok (there already is a double-click of menu in the radio screen - so it should be possible)
15:34:17JdGordon is the patch.. its givign me a compile error and im too tired t see why.. it shuold work
15:35:38JdGordonhaha, /me tired
15:36:46*JdGordon shold not code after midnight
15:37:05pixelmashouldn't there be differences in the keymap file, too ?
15:37:13JdGordon is the workign one
15:37:20JdGordonno, its done in the confid-target.h
15:37:36JdGordonthat way its easier to choose which button depending on the target
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15:44:00JdGordonpixelma: does it work?
15:44:37pixelmaI'm not sure if the patch applied cleanly (updated cvs before)
15:44:50pixelmapatching file firmware/export/config-ondiofm.h; patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line; Hunk #1 succeeded at 18 with fuzz 2.
15:45:00JdGordonthats ok
15:45:06JdGordonodd.. but ok
15:47:32JdGordonI'm wondering if the 3rd press shouold need a double click to reset, that might be slightly confusing, but less prone to accidentaly losing the markers
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15:51:58pixelmaurgh... I've not compiled an own build for a while and aI'm not sure if it is this patch - but rombox is broken in the patched build I just compiled...
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15:52:36JdGordonhmm... compilnig it here to check
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15:53:03phlitehi guys, i posted to the forum, i'm in a jam, after installing the rockbox firmware and rebooting my ipod 2nd gen mini is sitting at the apple logo, hasn't moved in 12 hrs :(
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15:54:01JdGordonpixelma: damn, yeah, it breacks rombox
15:54:12JdGordonby 248 bytes!
15:54:54pixelmahmm.. it says 288 here...
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15:55:10JdGordonmy gcc versio is better :p
15:55:27phliteany idea how to fix this?
15:55:48JdGordonphlite: try forcing a reset?
15:56:01phliteJdGordon: i did, i reset and it does the same thing :(
15:56:11JdGordon:'( I dunno
15:57:02JdGordonpixelma: ok, im going to bed, i'll hopefully try this on an ipod tomorow, guess we wont enable it for the ondio if it does work
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15:58:28pixelmaok... I'll give you a report later
15:59:41phlitei'm sure someone has had this issue b4?
15:59:48linuxstbphlite: Force it into disk mode - reset using MENU+SELECT, then immediately press SELECT+PLAY
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16:01:28phlitecrap thats not workin
16:02:10phliteat which point to you hit select+play ? after the apple goes away?
16:02:36phlitesweet got it!
16:02:45phlitein disk mode ... few
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16:03:04phlitebut what went wrong any idea?
16:03:13phliteto cause this?
16:03:21phlitecouldn't find any faq on problems
16:03:45linuxstbWhich install instructions did you follow?
16:04:14pixelmaJdGordon|zzz: ab-mode is set (as statusbar tells me) - double-click doesn't seem to work (only toggles browser and wps)
16:04:22phlitesec lemme grab em
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16:05:29pixelmaJdGordon|zzz: but it repeats the whole song (like repeat one)
16:05:41linuxstbphlite: Read the first paragraph in section 2.2.2 and follow the link to the new set of instructions, and then follow those (after restoring your ipod with itunes).
16:05:44PaulPositionlinuxstb - If you ever have like 5 minutes, would you quickly browse to and tell me 1) why it doesn't show as a link in the wiki change table and 2)if you see anything obviously un-manual like. ? pretty please.
16:06:13linuxstb1) is probably because you need to refresh the twiki cache - there's a link at the bottom of the page.
16:06:31PaulPositionlinuxstb - Ahh, let's try.
16:07:07phlitelinuxstb: ok i'll follow em, are those instructions borked? i thought i followed them correctly
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16:07:47linuxstbThe old instructions work (people have been using them for a year), but it's easy to mistype something or miss a step, and then you need to restore your ipod. The new install instructions are simpler and less error-prone.
16:07:59phliteok, so my bad eh?
16:08:09phlitedam thought i followed them correctly, guess not heh
16:08:13linuxstbYes :) But you're far from the first...
16:08:33PaulPositionLinuxstb - Hmm, no deal. Maybe because I haven't set any parent or something like this? I'm quite the newb to wiki concept.
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16:09:24Myth1hi guys
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16:09:39PaulPositionlinuxstb- It's no big deal anyway, I can link to it from any other wiki page and/or go there using a hard link or the search box atop the wiki so..
16:09:56linuxstbPaulPosition: Ah, I see what you mean now... But I don't know the answer.
16:10:23Myth1What was the bitdepth of the rockbox soundbuffer? Unfortunately I forgot :(
16:10:30linuxstbSo if you type H10InstallationBeta in another wiki page, it's automatically made a link?
16:10:52PaulPositionHey Barry.. Whenever you feel like it, have a look at and modify/add/erase whatever you think should or shouldn't be merged back into the manual..
16:10:55Myth1was ist 32 bits or just 24 bits?
16:11:21PaulPositionlinuxstb - well I went with [[H10InstallationBeta]] but I (guess?) it would work without the brakets..
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16:12:00linuxstbMyth1: All DSP processing is done on a 32-bit buffer IIUC. It's then converted to 16-bit for output to the DAC.
16:12:11Myth1ah, 32bit. ok thanks ;)
16:12:50PaulPositionBarrywardell - (In particular things like insisting (perhaps too much) on creating a backup, or small bit of information about original firmware, that weren't part of the original manual entries. )
16:15:13barrywardelli'll have a look at it now
16:16:34PaulPositionbarrywardell - Also feel free to correct 'me english vriting'.. Lacking vocabulary, I tend to paraphrase concepts in way too many words, and having learnt english through movies and games, my language is a bit on the 'familiar' side. :)
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16:27:23phlitelinuxstb: hi, so does ipod need to be in disk mode to start the install?
16:27:35phlitelinuxstb: didn't see that mentioned so maybe not?
16:29:41PaulPositionAnyone knows who created the vmware image? Will it need to be updated for it to work with (soon to descend upon us) SVN instead of cvs?
16:32:35linuxstbphlite: Yes, but it should automatically go into disk mode when you plug it in (assuming your ipod is functioning normally, which is a prerequisite for installing Rockbox).
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16:36:34phlitelinuxstb: ok, thx
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16:36:54linuxstbPaulPosition: It's a debian image, so typing "apt-get install svn" should be all that's needed. But yes, it makes sense for someone to update it...
16:38:04PaulPositionlinuxstb - Cool, I wasn't sure even such basic functionality as apt-get would work. Guess I don't know much about linux.
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16:52:31nudelynIgnore "the" patch rejected because it does nothing you can't already do by renaming your files? ... Nothing except avoid truely hideous filenames like "Beatles, The" perhaps. :)
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16:55:19PaulPositionI gotta agree that the reject of this patch surprised me.. I mean, here is a 'feature' that most any media player program has (not to mention maybe even certain OSes)...
16:56:44ctaylorrhmm...but would there be benefit to being able to turn this feature on/off? If not, then just renaming the files could work. The name wouldn't be hideous if you just removed the The entirely.
16:56:53amiconnImho the biggest problem with ignoring "the" is that it's english centric
16:57:06Bagderand an esoteric feature
16:57:12PaulPositionamiconn - Now that's a good answer.
16:57:12amiconnThat too
16:57:29nudelynthat's why i suggested the lsit of prefixes should be user definable, or tied to a language file
16:57:50nudelynpreferably user definable since people may have music from multiple languages
16:57:55amiconnWhat if we were going to add common article ignoring for all 20+ languages rockbox supports?
16:58:04*linuxstb names his files "...., The" and tags them "The ...." and doesn't find the file browsing hideous
16:58:05amiconn(like der/die/das in german etc)
16:58:05nudelynyou don't have to. the user can.
16:58:15ctaylorrI'm not lange specialist, but is the equivalent of `the' always leading?
16:58:38nudelynanother way to do it is support a SortAs tag but AFAIK there isn't a standard one
16:58:40ctaylorrIf not, you may have to parse the filename's grammar to do this properly.
16:58:42BagderI've never even dreamed of sorting my "the" artists other than with "the" first
16:58:44PaulPositionesoteric? I gotta admit that I have, here on my shelf, 12" The Beatles record AND 12" Beatles records.. Which is right, which isn't?
16:58:53nudelynso "The Beatles" woudl Sort As "Beatles"
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16:59:18BagderPaulPosition: it is your job to use the same name all over
16:59:20amiconnThen either leave out the article for all of them or add it to all of them
16:59:22Bagderits not bound to "the" or not
16:59:33ctaylorrnudelyn: Say you renamed all of your The Beatles mp3s to beatles...would you ever think ``damn...wish I could rename it back'' at a later time?
16:59:41ctaylorrnudelyn: probably not.
16:59:49amiconnWhat about 'a'?
17:00:10nudelynI wouldn't rename them to that because the bands name is "The Beatles", not "Beatles. But I want them under B because there's 10,000 other things that are sorted under The otherwise. :)
17:00:38PaulPositionBut it's not like I care much about "the", I was more into asking wether it was the patch or the feature_request that got closed? In a general way, are patch that won't ever go into cvs closed like this (and removed from the 'share' pool) ?
17:00:39nudelynI also remove A, although at first I didn't like that I got used to it when the Karma (and also iPod I think, not sure) started removing it for sorting purposes.
17:01:07linuxstbPaulPosition: Closed/rejected patches are still available, nothing gets deleted from the tracker.
17:01:07nudelynNow I'm used to going to "P" for A Perfect Circle, but it was strange at first.
17:01:12ctaylorrif their name is The Beatles, then sorting without The is just arbitrary. Why not leave out A or An, ...
17:01:37PaulPositionlinuxstb: Ah thanks, that makes much more sense than what I feared... :)
17:01:43nudelynbecause "The" isn't a very important part of their name and *lots* of band names start with The, so you end up with everything in one place which isn't very useful.
17:02:04Bagderin one place?
17:02:33Bagderin one of my genre dir I have 158 artists, and 4 of them start with 'the'
17:02:35ctaylorrnudelyn: And renaming doesn't work because ...
17:02:36nudelynyou might end up with 25 bands all listed under "T"
17:02:42*amiconn would find it rather odd to leave out 'the' from "The Knife"
17:02:51nudelynbecause "Beatles, The" is fugly.
17:03:05ctaylorrnudelyn: Why not just Beatles (remove the The)
17:03:11nudelynIt's like roll calls sorted Surname, Firstname because the computer is too stupid to sort that way so you have to rename all the people
17:03:19nudelynbecause "Beatles" isn't the name of the band
17:03:41Bagderso why sort it on something that isn't the name?
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17:03:48nudelynI already answred that
17:03:56ctaylorrnudelyn: Then why should rockbox sort by anything other than the name of the band. Again, The is pretty arbitrary. There are a lot of other prefixes that could well be removed as well.
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17:04:09nudelyn<nudelyn> because "The" isn't a very important part of their name and *lots* of band names start with The, so you end up with everything in one place which isn't very useful.
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17:04:24linuxstbnudelyn: In a list of artists, I disagree that it's ugly... I would find it uglier to find the word "The" in the middle of my "B" artists. You can keep it as "The Beatles" in the id3 tags.
17:04:31ctaylorrnudelyn: I sense a pattern to this conversation :)
17:04:34nudelynIt's arbitrary to sort A-Z but you still do that. All sorting is arbitrary. Removing "the" for sorting purposes is useful, some think. Of course not all.
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17:05:12nudelynagreed linuxstb, it can be strange (at first anyway), but I personally like it and I imagine many others do as plenty of music software does the same thing
17:05:20ctaylorrnudelyn: It is arbitrary, but it's consistent across all languages. I suspect the The issue would be difficult to implement across all locales.
17:05:58nudelynwhich is why you have a user-editable config file. let people add the prefixes they don't want to influence sorting. have it blank by default to keep the current behaviour.
17:06:17PaulPositionbadger - However esoteric you think this feature would be, I think you guys would be surprised to have a look at most (if not all) 'unsupported builds' from the forum that include such a patch.
17:06:31ctaylorrnudelyn: hmm...are there any other options that require the user hack the config? just wondering.
17:07:12nudelyndon't know. you could build a gui config edit for it i suppose, or offer some preset config files that people could choose from, with people who want something unusual having to make their own config file on a computer.
17:07:14phliteok, this is nutty i have rockbox booting correctly now .. i got to a menu with calendars, contacts, notes and rockbox, i'd click rockbox, it would load a splash screen then go back to the main menu, i do have music on the pod atm ..., but then i started messing with some settings and now the main menu doesn't have rockbox, only calendars contacts, and notes
17:07:34PaulPositionctaylor - Well, first thing in the manual is telling people they might need notepad-like application to configure their rockbox install to their liking so this wouldn't be so out-of-this-worldly..
17:07:35BagderPaulJam: custom builders do all sorts of stuff, I don't think that's an argument that convinces me to think differently
17:07:43Bagderdarned tab completion
17:08:05PaulPositionnp :p
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17:08:14nudelynphlite: you probably turned on the option that hides hidden files/folders. those are the ones that start with a ., like .rockbox
17:08:15PaulPositionPhlite - You changed fileview options.
17:09:06ctaylorrPaulPosition: True...I'm just curious...I'm not sure of anything that actually requires hand editing besides skins and such.
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17:09:38PaulPositionphlite - If you go into quick menu (I think you hold 'left' for a second, not sure for iPods) you can change the file-view options to 'show all'
17:10:01PaulPositionphlite - Or you can change them through the general settings menu.
17:10:06nudelynpreset prefix lists would solve it with minimal config gui effort, i guess. then it's like choosing a WPS screen (if there isn't one you like you build your own). obviously "normal sorting" would be one of the presets.
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17:11:30nudelynwhether the idea is worth the space/complexity it would add to the code is a different question; I just don't agree that the feature "adds nothing that can't be done by renaming your files". :)
17:12:35ctaylorrnudelyn: for english, and similar languages, that could definitely work. Still not sure whether you'd ever want to turn this on and off regularly. Why make it an option, and not just something you permanently do (like rename your mp3s). I know the resulting names don't look good, but for pratical purposes, that's what the names are.
17:13:30PaulPositionIn a way I understand how 'the' is supposed to stick anyways..
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17:13:54nudelynjust because they look ugly and renaming them means they're no longer the correct names. you're renaming things to change how they're sorted when you should change the way they're sorted, IMO.
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17:14:09nudelynIf you want to sort files by modification date you don't stick the date at the start of the filename in YYYY-MM-DD format :)
17:14:18nudelynyou change the way you sort the list
17:14:50nudelynanyway, that's my 2cents. up to you guys whether you agree :)
17:15:24ctaylorrnudelyn: that's actually a good point.
17:15:24PaulPositionnudelyn - Say you get some of french band "Le Tigre" or italiano Il Divo, would you get rid of the 'Le'/'La'/'Il' ?
17:16:05nudelynPossibly... As I'm not french and would probably have at most one such band I personally wouldn't, but if I was French (or really into French music) than I might want to.
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17:16:30ctaylorrnudelyn: may be difficult to implement. The benefit of being able to change this particular way of sorting at runtime may not outweight the work involved.
17:16:30nudelynfor what it's worth, the Karma would rename Le, I believe. It had a list of lots of prefixes for differnet languages.
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17:17:11nudelynctaylorr: yeah, that's fair enough. if it really screws up the code then it's not worth doing. it is a side issue to playing music properly etc.; just a nice-to-have.
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17:17:22phlitePaulPosition: sorry was afk
17:17:34nudelynthe fact that it's even worth talking about shows that rockbox is quite mature :)
17:17:44phlitePaulPosition: i got rockbox to come back, but i run it, and then nothing happens, just goes back to the menu
17:17:53GodEater*sigh* I must have read through this ATA-6 spec more times in the last week than I ever imagined I would in my entire life!
17:17:54linuxstbphlite: You should read the IpodFAQ page (and the manual) linked to at the end of the installation page.
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17:21:24PaulPositionphlite - rockbox you see is the firmware. clicking it just reboot it. :p
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17:21:58amiconnGodEater: Any progress? Results of set_features() or somesuch?
17:25:52GodEaternot so you'd notice
17:26:17GodEaterI was looking at some of the DEVICE CONFIGURATION commands to see whether apple were locking the feature set
17:26:38GodEaterI've got a stinking cold today though and it's affected my motiviation
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17:46:03phlitePaulPosition: ahh lol thx
17:46:46phliteits weird, my ipod is really slow, like the time left doesn't update in real time, also the music is skipping
17:46:52phlitewhats up with that?
17:48:05PaulJamyou should try a wps/theme without peakmeters (iCatcher for example)
17:48:15PaulPositionphlite - Change the theme, the one that comes with rockbox has peakmeters which slows down the ui
17:48:41PaulPositionphlite - (icatcher also comes with rockbox, it doesn't use peakmeters)
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17:49:47PaulPositionphlite - Also, and you should have read that, the chip used in iPods (and iRiver H10, Sansa e200) hasn't been totally figured out and optimized. Things like the graphical equalizer WILL slow down the UI and cause skips if you use more than two bands.
17:49:49phlitePaulPosition: ya i changed to icatcher, the current time clock is updating, but the music keeps skipping like every 10 seconds
17:50:10phliteahh so i think i did enable the graphic eq
17:50:24phlitegraphic eq is slowing it down?
17:51:06PaulPositionphlite - With time it's gonna get better, but that is why it is told everywhere that Rockbox is a work in progress, that hasn't been 'Released' for the ipod platform yet (and so what you download is, like, beta software. You're a tester. Think of it as 'Boldly going where (almost) no one has gone before'
17:51:43phliteahh i had thought the ipod would be the most figured out device
17:52:39datachildIf i want to "install" a new theme, where do i put the files? (from the zip files off the comp onto the ipod)
17:52:47PaulPositionphlite - Nope. It's somewhat recent and the specs are kept secret so the rockbox devlopers have to figure all out on themselves by reverse-engineering the damn things.
17:52:47datachildi'm using a Ipod Video 30GB
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17:53:43markundatachild: just unzip to the root of your ipod
17:53:52datachildokay :)
17:53:52PaulJamthe .cfg file goes to .rockbox/themes and the .wps file and the folder with the images goes to .rockbox/wps
17:54:06datachildthanks a bunch!
17:54:25phlitePaulPosition: so, does the newer ipod models have more horsepower? or they screwed too with the graphic eq?
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17:54:45PaulPositiondatachild (obviously, if youhave a Fonts/ folder and a Backdrops/ folder, they also go into .Rockbox/ .. :)
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17:55:55PaulPositionphlite - It's not that the ipod doesn't have enough horsepower, it's that this horsepower can't easily be unleashed. Except for the last few models (those called 5.5th gen. or nano 2nd gen) the chip is the same anyway.
17:56:43PaulPositionphlite - The 5.5G 80mb iPod for example, doesn't yet work (or didn't last I checked)
17:57:31pixelmamb? ;)
17:58:50PaulPositionyeeek! :p
17:59:03phlitePaulPosition: k thx
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18:10:26GodEateris anyone going to change those sleep() calls from perform_soft_reset() in ata.c to udelay() calls and then commit then ?
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18:12:19amiconnGodEater: Surely not,.
18:12:59amiconnudelay is a kludge that eats cpu power (by busy-looping instead of allowing othe rthreads to run), and it doesn't exist on all targets
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18:13:17GodEaterwell that'll be a problem with the 80G then
18:13:22GodEatercos it still hangs on them
18:13:54amiconnudelay would be a totally wrong fix then
18:14:08amiconnsleep() not working shows that there is an init problem with the PP
18:14:10GodEaterlinuxstb_ was the one who suggested it
18:14:34GodEaterwoohoo - something else to fix
18:14:35amiconnIt means the tick doesn't work (properly)
18:15:11amiconnUsing udelay() is a temporary kludge for debugging, nothing to go into cvs
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18:17:09amiconnTry to display current_tick in a loop. I would expect it to stay at 0....
18:17:15GodEaterdon't a lot of the ATA calls relays on a working tick ?
18:17:41amiconn....instead of advancing HZ times per second as it should
18:17:55amiconnThe tick and sleep() is used in many many places
18:18:10amiconnI wonder how buttons work though
18:18:11GodEateryou know, a fortnight ago I never imagined I'd be a hardware hacker =/
18:19:13GodEateris current_tick a global, or do I have to hack this attempt to display it into some other file ?
18:19:28*GodEater has stuck to fiddling with ata.c for the past few days
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18:21:32amiconncurrent_tick is a global
18:21:48GodEaterer - which buttons are you talking about ?
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18:21:50amiconnlong current_tick
18:22:03amiconnThere are a few of them....
18:22:13amiconnThe button driver reads the status in a tick task
18:22:28GodEaterwhat I mean is - we haven't got as far as testing any buttons reads on the 80G
18:22:40GodEaterso we've no idea if it works or not
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18:27:15linuxstbamiconn: We don't enable interrupts in the ipod bootloader, so sleep() shouldn't be used. I thought sleep() was disabled for ipod bootloader builds, but it seems it isn't and we're just lucky... (we also don't use the normal button driver).
18:27:47Hemingraysorry about HCl. I never knew him here but alot of us knew him on Furcadia.
18:29:10*GodEater sits back to observe the (hopefully) ensuing discussion between linuxstb and amiconn re: sleep() calls in the bootloader :)
18:30:47amiconnlinuxstb: I thought GodEater was testing with a full rockbox binary
18:31:05amiconnBut if we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader, how do the sleep calls work then?
18:31:38linuxstbI'm assuming nothing calls sleep...
18:31:43amiconnMaybe we're just lucky, and it's actually hit-and-miss depending on what the apple loader does?
18:31:54GodEaterif someone cares to enlighten me on *how* to use a full binary I'll do my best to do so :)
18:32:28linuxstbGodEater: ipodpatcher -wf
18:32:40GodEaterdo the ticks work / not work if we don't enable interrupts ?
18:33:02linuxstbWe emulate the ticks using the PP's usec timer. It's a macro somewhere (system.h?)
18:33:08amiconnThe ata thread does use sleep(), and afaik that's included with bootloaders
18:33:18GodEaterlinuxstb, sorry, I know how to do that - but I'm not sure of the sequence of calls the full binary makes - so I'm not sure where to start my debugging
18:33:52maquisis the problem with all the new video ipods? or just the 80G one?
18:33:54linuxstbThere's a main() function in apps/main.c (but be careful, there's one for the simulator, and one for the targets).
18:34:02linuxstbmaquis: Just the 80GB. 30GB works fine.
18:34:11maquislinuxstb: weird... what's different between them?
18:34:19linuxstbIf only we knew...
18:34:23GodEatercurse my large music collection, the 30GB just wan't big enough :)
18:34:29maquislinuxstb: ah... that kind... :)
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18:37:27amiconnlinuxstb: Huh? I thought the tick emulation is gone since we have a properly working timer tick...
18:37:38linuxstbI'm talking bootloader builds.
18:38:03linuxstbcurrent_tick is implemented properly in Rockbox itself.
18:38:06*GodEater is thoroughly confused now
18:39:07amiconnI think perform_soft_reset() hanging is a symptom that just shows up on the 80GB because reading doesn't work
18:39:23amiconnUnder normal circumstances, perform_soft_reset() isn't called
18:39:46GodEatermakes sense
18:40:32GodEaterbut I'm sure when I tried using the full binary a week or so ago - it still hung
18:41:20GodEaterthat statement perhaps didn't qualify for the usage of "but" at the beginning
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19:26:52phliteshit man, now that i'm getting to understand this rockbox, fricken diggin it, i love that i can listen to my music using directory mode!
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19:44:22markunamiconn: do you know what the ranges is of the Y component from the idct?
19:46:11bluebrotherBagder, working on the website? The sponsors box is now within the text of the frontpage (and isn't in a box anymore)
19:47:06pixelmanot for me
19:47:46GodEaterbluebrother, same here
19:48:07GodEateroh no wait - I did a Ctrl-F5 - looks fine now
19:49:13GodEateramiconn, is there a way to properly clear down the lcd before writing stuff to it ? Only trying this with the full on rockbox binary means I've got a loverly colour logo written to the screen - which I seem unable to overwrite with debugging info =/
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19:50:58bluebrotherah, clearing the cache helped. Wondering why this happened ...
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19:51:32amiconnGodEater: lcd_clear_display()
19:51:51amiconnBut you could also just comment out the call to show_logo()
19:52:37GodEaterthat would mean finding it :)
19:52:44amiconnmarkun: I don't know. Why is that important?
19:52:51GodEateralso - I'm lying, the lcp_puts() are overwriting it
19:53:02GodEaterI just put a ridiculously long sleep in the wrong place in my loop
19:53:08GodEaterso it's writing one line every minute or so
19:53:15GodEaterand I can't seem to reset it
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19:53:17amiconnThe sleep works?
19:53:22GodEaterseems to
19:53:40markunamiconn: the brightness and contrast didn't look right in the mpegplayer so I was adjusting them and was thinking of adding the as an extra parameters to the yuv2rgb code
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19:54:15linuxstb_markun: Did you manage to work out the problem with the CLIP() code?
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19:54:17amiconnOk, so there is no timer / interrupt init problem. It's just that sleep() doesn't work in the bootloader because we don't init interrupts
19:54:33markunlinuxstb_: no, I was ignoring that for now
19:54:58amiconnmarkun: Hmm, I wouldn't expect the contrast/brightness to be different from the other targets
19:55:02GodEaterthat would appear to be the case - only I could SWAER this didn't work last week
19:55:15amiconnDid you compare with another target (if you have one) or the sim?
19:55:28markunnot yet, should do that
19:55:33GodEaterdammit - when does the apple firmware see the reset key combo
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19:56:13amiconnmarkun: Does the Gigabeat use RGB565 as the other targets? I'd suspect some mapping problem...
19:56:41markunI noticed that black was always dark gray
19:56:54markunbut the movie clips looked fine on my computer
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19:59:20linuxstb_How fast is 320x240 video?
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20:00:53amiconnmarkun: A slight colour error may result from the C lcd_yuv_blit(), which uses the same maths as yuv_bitmap_part() in the sim - and is somewhat off for mpeg video
20:01:19amiconnThe yuv->rgb formula is the same as for jpeg, but the ranges are not the actual factors need to be slightly different from what they are now
20:01:46markunlinuxstb_: I didn't try yet. 320x176 was decoding at 55fps I believe
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20:02:06linuxstb_I think that's adequate :)
20:02:35amiconnThe coldfire asm implementations of lcd_yuv_blit() don't have that problem
20:02:35]RowaN[is it normal that im getting "errorcode: -4" when i try loading the OF with the latest sansa build?
20:03:03GodEaterhahaha - I'm such a dumbass - I'd switched hold to on - no wonder I couldn't reset
20:03:28dan_a]RowaN[: No. Have you decrypted the original firmware and saved it as SYSTEM/OF.bin ?
20:03:50]RowaN[decypted? i renamed the latest firmware mi4 file to OF.bin put it where you say
20:04:12markunamiconn: I multiplied Y by 1.5 and substracted 50. Both values should be a bit lower.
20:04:52]RowaN[dan did you see cheapo sansas on amazon today? $150 for 8gb, pretty nice price
20:04:54amiconnAll values need adjustment (RYFAC ... BUFAC)
20:05:13amiconn...and btw, the function is optimised for precision instead of speed
20:05:25amiconnAdequate for jpeg, but not for mpeg
20:05:37GodEaterany idea how I make the backlight stay on ?
20:05:39markunI'm a bit colour blind so maybe that's why I didn't have a problem with only Y :)
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20:06:38dan_a]RowaN[: You need to decrypt it with "mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 OF.bin" - you can get mi4code from
20:06:50]RowaN[ah many thanks, will try that now
20:06:53dan_aAnd no, I didn't see the Sansas :(
20:07:16]RowaN[it was in the news on
20:08:03amiconnGodEater: Doe sthe backlight switch on again when you press a button?
20:08:44GodEaterbut it's a pain to keep having to do it
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20:09:36linuxstb_GodEater: The timeout is configurable in Rockbox, defaulting to 4 seconds.
20:09:41amiconnBut it's a good sign. It means that buttons and timer are all working
20:10:00GodEaterlinuxstb_, yeah but I can't get into the menus in rb to configure it
20:10:02amiconnlinuxstb_: True, but at that point, settings aren't loaded
20:10:05]RowaN[sweet, got it working now, thanks dan =]
20:10:07GodEaterso I could do with hard coding it :)
20:10:23amiconnGodEater: Yes, just change the default in firmware/backlight.c
20:10:25dan_a]RowaN[: You're welcome
20:10:38]RowaN[oh maybe not...
20:10:41]RowaN[stillg etting the same error
20:10:43GodEateramiconn, thanks - you're a lifesaver :)
20:11:25]RowaN[Partition 0: 0x0B 7649 MB
20:11:35]RowaN[Loading original firmware...
20:11:41]RowaN[Rockbox error: -4
20:11:45linuxstb_dan_a: Does Barry's patch for USB on the 3G work? I didn't expect the USB hardware to be compatible between the PP5002 (which has USB 1.1) and PP5020 (USB 2.0)
20:11:51amiconnGodEater: line 118: backlight_timeout = 5*HZ;
20:11:54amiconnChange that to 0
20:12:03lamedhey guys, installing the bootloader on an h340 that was probably bought in the US, that states he is having the 1.28 K fw. what version should i update & patch the bootloader? the 1.28 K? (don't speak korean)
20:12:18]RowaN[i am holding LEFT when i poweron to try and load the OF.. thats right i guess
20:12:25lamedsorry, I ment the 1.29 K
20:12:30dan_a]RowaN[: 8Gb, eh? Try building a new bootloader - I've just fixed a bug in the disk driver
20:12:47]RowaN[i used
20:13:16]RowaN[i dont have environment set up to build it, is the one on that url likely to get updated at some point?
20:13:18dan_alinuxstb_: I've not tried it, but I don't expect it to. USB hasn't worked on the 3G so far
20:13:25lamedguys, anyone?
20:13:33]RowaN[8gb yes
20:13:37dan_a]RowaN[: It will get updated, but hasn't been yet.
20:13:42scorchedan_a: bah....same time on the battery bench...although i started with slightly less battery on the second one (40 mV), but that would only have been 5-10 min difference
20:14:09]RowaN[ok thanks for the info, i'll wait for it
20:14:18dan_ascorche: That's a shame.
20:14:42scorcheyes...yes it is
20:15:00linuxstb_dan_a: Ah yes, I forgot it was never working...
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20:15:25GodEaternow it doesn't come on at all amiconn
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20:15:38amiconnoh? hmm, lemme check
20:16:06lamedummm, anyone knows what are the differences between korean and european iriver's FW?
20:16:27linuxstb_That could be a bug - some Nano users (same backlight code as the 5g) who have installed Rockbox with -wf have mentioned the backlight doesn't come on until after it's been turned off by the first timeout.
20:16:39amiconnThat's odd, 0 means 'always on'
20:16:46*dan_a pings Bagder - PP5022.mi4 for the Sansa needs updating on I've got a copy on my site you can download.
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20:17:23amiconnAh, so the init doesn't turn on the backlight itself, but relies on the bootloader
20:17:25amiconnNot good.
20:17:26linuxstb_amiconn: I suspect that the backlight code initialises itself to think the backlight is on, but never actually turns it on. No-one has noticed because the bootloader normally does it.
20:19:43amiconnfirmware/target/arm/ipod/backlight-*.c are nonsense...
20:19:57amiconninline for an exported function...
20:20:34lamedguys, please, this player is new and I don't want to brick it so fast. The main menu on iriver's fw says VER 1.28 K, that means I can patch and install H300(kr) (2.1 MBytes) , I hope kr means korean and not something else. I would love if someone could confirm that
20:20:44amiconnThese should rather go into backlight-target.h
20:23:15yossaSay I have modified key mappings on sansa for solitaire, star, doom and pacman to actually make them usable - What should be done to maybe include them in the cvs?
20:23:17PaulJamthe 1.29 eu has a volume cap and you can't change the radio region, and the 1.29kr has the menu set to korean by default, but that can be changed. i think there aren't any other differences.
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20:23:49markunyossa: you could start by explaining why they are better and for which target
20:24:14linuxstb_yossa: Post a patch to the patch tracker, and try and grab the attention of one of the Sansa developers.
20:24:37*dan_a pays attention
20:25:00yossatarget: sansa, for solitaire I included the wheel for choosing card rows and select button for selecting cards, shortcuts are simple right and left now, for dropping cards on stacks
20:25:19yossacouldn't even get the game to work on previous config
20:25:20lamedpauljam: if my player's main menu sais VER 1.28 K , that means H300(kr) should work, right? I'm trying to make sure kr means korean so I wouldn't be left with a bricked player, the iriver's world site claims that conflicts will happend if I will make a mistake.
20:26:25yossastar changed levels with scrollwheel, which made it unplayable, because you can't avoid touching it while playing, so I changed it to select+left and right
20:27:17yossadoom: turn left and right with scrollwheel, shoot with select button and move forward with rec button (the low responsiveness of scrollwheel is a problem right now)
20:28:05linuxstb_Does pacbox work properly? i.e. is the screen the correct orientation?
20:28:16PaulJamif your player already has an international firmware flashed i don't see a problem. just make sure that your battery doesn't run flat while flashing (insert the charger). have you downloaded the firmware from an official iriver website?
20:28:16yossabut if it would work good, the config is superb - I'm looking at doom source to find a way to multiply left and right turning input
20:28:34yossapacbox shows up rotated
20:28:49linuxstb_Is the Sansa's LCD 176x220?
20:29:52linuxstb_OK, it needs a screen rendering function written specifically for it. At the moment I expect it's displaying it the same way as the Nano's 176x132 screen.
20:30:15linuxstb_i.e. scaling by 50% and rotating. It should scale 75% without rotating.
20:30:18lamedcan anyone lpeassssee confirm that i should install H300(kr) because my main menu sais it's version 1.28 K?
20:30:29yossalinuxstb: probably, I'm too novice to make something like that. For now, because of the rotation I changed the mappings like that: up is now right, right is down, etc.
20:31:01linuxstb_yossa: OK. The keys are easily fixed if/when someone fixes the display.
20:31:35peturlamed: as long as you don't use a US version you're ok
20:31:37PaulJamlamed: it doesn't really matter what version of original firmware you are running, because once you use rockbox you don't want to boot the iriver firmware.
20:32:15yossaanyway, for now if anyone is interested in those configs, I could just put them into the pastebin, and let someone more directly involved incorporate them
20:32:33peturand kr and eu are just versions with different default language and some features enabled or disabled
20:32:35lamedpetur: i got it from someone in the us, but i don't know how did he got it, but going by the 1.28 K should suffice, right?
20:32:59peturlamed: just pick one...
20:33:17lamedI mean that it's not a US undercover or something :/
20:33:32peturdoesn't matter
20:33:45PaulJamyossa: as someone mentioned earlier there is a patch tracker for this purpose:
20:34:11peturlamed: if it was a US version, usbotg won't work - that's all
20:34:47PaulJami think most people (including me) use 1.29kr
20:34:59*amiconn uses 1.29eu
20:35:00lamedwow, I'm shocked. US version usbotg is off?!
20:35:16amiconnUS H300s have usbotg disabled in hardware
20:35:36amiconnThey use the isp1362 in device mode for mtp afaiu
20:35:55yossaPaulJam: allright, I'll look into it
20:36:08lamedit's so darn long.... dammit....
20:36:13PaulJami think on misticriver is a description of a hardwaremod to enable usbotg on us models
20:36:19lamed->player went off ->
20:36:36lamedver 1.29k
20:36:43lamedi'm ok, thank god.
20:36:48*linuxstb_ spots a familiar complaint on the mjpeg-users mailing list: "Sigh, seems that the gcc folks are efficient and consistent, they mananged to break both the 3.x and 4.x C++ compilers."
20:37:29lamedbut i'm still in iriver's fw..
20:37:55PaulJamlamed: have you patched the firmware before flashing?
20:38:08lamedobvioulsy yes
20:38:32lamedi should reset
20:38:53lamedthat's werid.
20:38:59PaulJamwhen you start the device, do you see a light blue screen flashing for a short moment and displaying some lines of tewxt?
20:39:30linuxstb_I've read reports that some people have had to flash multiple times in order to get the Rockbox bootloader working. Try flashing again...
20:39:53lamedshit, I hate flashing.
20:40:26lamed:(((( ok only if I most :(((((
20:41:36lamedjust like with the h120, holding play while reset gets into the bootloader. but actually it hangs after the batt: line
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20:41:53lamednow we're on
20:43:53lamedbrickmania is so much nicer with colors :) thanks everyone for the moral support. flashing friends players is much more simple.
20:44:41lamedwow, nice usb logo. things have changed since my h120 died...
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20:46:44BetaCookiesHey Brock
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20:47:11BetaCookiesi restarted my iPod and the rockbox bootloader got "eaten"
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20:47:33BetaCookies"Use iTunes to restore"
20:47:38BetaCookiesThe bootloader is just gone
20:47:42BetaCookiesgot written over
20:47:45linuxstb_Of course...
20:47:47BetaCookiesbut I didn't even have it connected to the computer
20:47:52linuxstb_Just install again.
20:47:53ShadowdogMUI don't use the Rockbox bootloader, too crappy, I use the one that came with iLinux
20:47:57ShadowdogMUit actually lets you choose
20:48:09BetaCookiesso does the rockbox one o.O
20:48:16ShadowdogMUWithout holding buttons I mean
20:48:32scorcheyou dont have to "hold" buttons anymore
20:48:40scorchejust flip the hold switch on
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20:50:47BetaCookieswhat bin file is to install the rockbox bootloader?
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20:51:40BetaCookiesbootpartition.bin, rockboot.bin, or bootloader-nano.bin?
20:56:59*linuxstb_ wonders if BetaCookies will elaborate
20:57:04BetaCookieshold on
20:57:07BetaCookiesi'm starting over
20:57:16BetaCookiescause ya see, I used the other iPod installation page
20:57:21BetaCookiesnot the beta
21:00:53BetaCookieslinuxstb_ anyway, the problem was: " Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)."
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21:01:17*GodEater thinks the page shouldn't be called beta any more - it's causing too much confusion
21:02:25linuxstb_GodEater: True... Although there are some reported issues with ipodpatcher and the older ipods (4g and Color).
21:03:07linuxstb_But Rockbox should probably still be called Beta on the ipods anyway, it's a fairer assessment of its state.
21:03:21GodEaterheh - true
21:03:33diemoswoot, i had sex with a midget last night
21:03:43diemosshe wasnt ACTUALLY a midget, but she was way short
21:03:54*linuxstb_ looks around for an op
21:04:25scorchelinuxstb_: you rang? =)
21:04:33scorchediemos: cut it out
21:04:48scorchethis is not a social channel
21:05:03diemosoh, sorry thought it was ##linux
21:05:09diemosi usually idle there
21:05:15scorchewell, it isnt
21:06:30GodEaterdoes the "stb" in linuxstb stand for anything ?
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21:10:29BetaCookiesits so SLOW transferring songs
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21:12:34BetaCookiesI'm getting this problem when I try to install the bootloader: " Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)."
21:12:42BetaCookieslinuxstb_ are you there?
21:13:15linuxstb_Sounds like either a problem with your Nano's flash, or a USB connection problem.
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21:13:40BetaCookiesit says "use itunes to restore"
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21:17:23BetaCookieslinuxstb i got it working with the old installation thing
21:18:25linuxstbWhen in the process did the new version of ipodpatcher give you that error? Before displaying the partition table?
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21:21:43BetaCookieslinuxstb, no, after displaying the partition table
21:22:34linuxstbWhat was the last line before the error? I'm just curious if the old ipodpatcher was reading/writing the same parts of the disk that the new ipodpatcher would.
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21:24:19datachildHow do i install the Album Art-patch on my Ipod G5?
21:25:29datachildAnyone got some links or something?
21:25:58BetaCookieslinuxstb problem :s rockbox doesn't work
21:26:10BetaCookiesi mean ipodpatcher doesnt find the ipod
21:27:13linuxstbBetaCookies: I thought you just said you got it working with the old install method?
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21:29:43linuxstbdatachild: You don't "install" a patch. A patch is a text file indicating changes to the Rockbox source code. You apply those changes to the Rockbox source code, and compile Rockbox.
21:29:44ctaylorrdatachild: you don't ``install patches'' in the normal sense. The patches used wrt to open source projects are usually one the source level.
21:30:23linuxstbdatachild: There are many pages in the wiki dealing with compiling Rockbox and applying patches.
21:30:24datachildwell, why does it say "patch" ?
21:30:36linuxstbdatachild: Because they are patches.
21:31:02datachildOh well
21:31:03ctaylorrdatachild: you patch source, files. Your question suggested that you planned on running a program and having the patch. It's a bit less trivial than that.
21:31:07datachildwhere do if ind it in the wiki?
21:31:12datachildwhere should i look?
21:31:21datachildno no, wasn't thinking like that
21:31:34datachildi ment the so called "Album art patch"
21:31:53datachildhow i should do to apply it/install it etc
21:32:05datachildcompile or whatever
21:32:33lowlightdan_a, amiconn: if you have a moment, can you help me understand this arm code:
21:33:12BetaCookieslinuxstb well I'm trying to do the new method, but it says "Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.[ERR] Failed to read firmware directory - nimages=1
21:33:24datachildwell well..
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21:33:31linuxstbdatachild: Or you can look in the "unsupported builds" forum and see if someone else has done the work for you and is making a compiled version of Rockbox available including the albumart patch .
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21:34:34datachildi'll leave it.. way to much work for something like that
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21:34:43datachildbut thanks anyway
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21:37:58habaa]RowaN[: did you manage to boot your sansa
21:38:43]RowaN[yes thanks, dualbooting, very nice =]
21:38:54habaaejoy :)
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21:40:36yossawhere can I find a guide line for writing patch files?
21:41:07linuxstbAre you using CVS?
21:41:27dan_alowlight: I can't help, I'm afraid. It seems to do something with structs with pointers to functions in them, but trying to understand it made my brain hurt.
21:42:51yossalinuxstb: yes
21:43:34linuxstbyossa: The WorkingWithPatches wiki page explains.
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21:44:24yossathank you, I searched for "patch" but it didn't show.
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21:47:21PaulPositionyossa - You need to hit the 'search' option in the menu bar of the wiki to get full text search.. The input box is for searching titles.
21:47:34PaulPositionyossa - I mean, in the menu at the top of the wiki.. :p
21:47:59yossaoh, that's more like it :)
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21:54:26wanzehi, I want to install Rockbox on my iPod Video (5.5g), but in (section 2.2.2) it says that the instructions in the manual do not work on 5.5g, and instead it tells me to check out the new directions on another link. Or well, I believe it should be another link, but it's not. The two links are identical ( Could anybody help me
21:55:56linuxstbwanze: Yes, both links are the same. The new instructions are optional for 5g users, but compulsory for 5.5g users.
21:56:16FebsI just updated the manual with a first draft of revised instructions.
21:56:19wanzeso I should just follow the instructions?
21:56:24linuxstbBut the new instructions work on all ipods.
21:56:27linuxstbwanze: Yes.
21:56:31linuxstbFebs: Thanks!
21:57:12wanzeThanks, linuxstb!
21:57:14linuxstbFebs: Although there are those outstanding issues from the forum thread about the new install method which I haven't yet had a useful reply to...
21:57:38linuxstb(affecting older ipods by the looks of it)
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21:58:18linuxstbwanze: I assume you have a 30GB ipod?
21:58:25wanzeYes :)
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21:58:48wanzewhich version of Rockbox is recommended? The "bleeding edge" build or the daily build?
21:59:28ctaylorrwanze: depends on whether and how you'll complain if you see bugs.
22:00:00linuxstbFebs: Maybe add a warning about the 80GB video ipod not working at the moment?
22:00:05linuxstb(similar to the 2nd Gen Nano warning)
22:00:12wanzelinuxstb: there already is
22:00:22wanze"Rockbox works on all recent ipods apart from the Shuffle (both old and new), the new "2nd Generation" ipod Nano (the all-aluminium version) and the 80GB ipod Video."
22:00:31Febslinuxstb: I have quite a bit of clean-up to do still. The most critical thing is that I need to figure how to get latex to properly reflect the ipodpatcher −−scan command.
22:00:38linuxstbwanze: I'm talking about the instructions Febs just added to the manual.
22:00:40FebsBut a disclaimer about the 80GB is a good idea.
22:00:50wanzeOkay, sorry then.
22:00:58FebsIt probably needs to go only in the manual for the video.
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22:01:05linuxstbWant me to change the command? :)
22:01:43FebsOr that! :)
22:01:52linuxstbWhat's the problem?
22:02:21FebsThe dashes generate a compiling error.
22:03:11FebsI know there's a way to do it, but I am no latex error, so I just need to review some other parts of the manual and find an instance of a something similar to copy from.
22:03:20Febslatex error/latex expert
22:03:27linuxstbBTW, I think the links are wrong - the convention is bootloader-ipodXXXX.ipod (the value of the "archos" variable in the build system).
22:03:52linuxstbI think you just renamed .ipod to .bin
22:05:23linuxstbMaybe the bootloader filenames could be defined in the platform.tex file.
22:05:56linuxstbNow that the install commands are identical for all ipods, apart from that filename.
22:06:17FebsI could probably use the \player macro to generate the link rather than \OPTing each one of them.
22:06:28FebsBut for now, I just fixed the individual links.
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22:13:28tucozFebs: did you write the −− in a verbatim environment?
22:13:29FebsTucoz to the rescue!
22:13:43FebsI think I tried that and it didn't work.
22:13:49tucozi am on mac at the moment, so i can not test anything
22:14:09tucozwonder if you have to escape dashes. i thought not
22:14:22FebsLet me try again.
22:14:42dionoeaescape dashes in latex ?
22:14:43tucozi know that in a standard environment, a double dash will simply produce a longer dash
22:14:48pixelmahi tucoz :)
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22:14:54tucozhello :)
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22:15:22tucozdionoea: i would not think so, but he said he got a compiler error
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22:15:44dionoeamaybe it's using some weird UTF8 dash char ...
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22:16:16dionoeaso you think it's a normal dash but it isn't
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22:16:47tucozright. that could be it. i also noticed that the editor inserted tabs instead of spaces (grr ;))
22:17:16FebsOK, it worked. I must have had some other error and mistakenly thought that the dashes caused it.
22:17:31FebsI'll fix the tabs. I SWEAR I've configured UltraEdit to use spaces.
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22:20:55wanzeI just installed it but it's like its freezing sometimes
22:21:06wanzelike now, I just Snake 2 and died
22:21:18wanze"You died! Your score.. blah blah," Press Select..."
22:21:27wanzetried to press every button but nothing happens
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22:21:59wanzeonly reaction I get is when I lock it (with the tab on the top), then it turns on the light for a few seconds
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22:23:08linuxstbwanze: Rockbox also uses key combinations, maybe you needed that. MENU+SELECT together is used a lot to exit plugins.
22:23:27wanzeselect is the button in the middle, right?
22:23:40wanzein that case, it doesn't work
22:23:48wanzeno reaction when I connect it to my computer now neither
22:23:53lowlightdan_a: thanks for head is spinning too. I can't understand what's an address and what's a value
22:24:03wanzehey wait
22:24:13*linuxstb waits
22:24:20wanzeno it's playing Snake again
22:24:42linuxstbTry the nice Rockbox manual - it should hopefully have the keys used in Snake 2.
22:24:49wanzeoh, yeah, thanks
22:26:03lowlightdan_a: like "ldr r0, =0x40014B84" loads the address into r0, then "ldr r0, [r0,#8]" loads a value into r0, but what does "ldr r1, [r0]" do? Or am I just really confused?
22:26:39OverandSo I have a question- there are a lot of patches suggested for use in the WPS gallery for various skins- how many of those are likely to end up in the main trunk?
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22:28:25lowlightdan_a: unless, as you said, the value at r0 is a pointer :/
22:28:25dan_alowlight: ldr r1, [r0] puts into r1 the value at the address in r0. So at that point, r0 contains a pointer, which was set up with "ldr r0, [r0, #8]".
22:28:38linuxstbOverand: Probably none, the way they are written. The plan is to introduce the concepts of "viewports" to Rockbox which should solve all the problems those various patches attempt to solve.
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22:29:01linuxstbAnd album-art is waiting for other things to happen first.
22:29:43lowlightdan_a: are the 0x400xxxxx range addresses ram?
22:30:02Bagderdan_a: gimme da URL! ;-)
22:30:09linuxstblowlight: That's IRAM on the PP chips.
22:30:10dan_alowlight: That pointer has been stored in 0x40014B8C
22:30:38linuxstb(96KB on the PP5020, starting at 0x40000000)
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22:31:00GodEaterok, it's official - using the full rockbox binary doesn't help at all on the 80G - the set_features() call still appears to do absolutely bugger all while lying through it's teeth about how successfully it did
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22:33:26Overandlinuxstb: Interesting. Thanks for the heads up =]
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22:34:17dan_alowlight: Have you any idea what device uses that bit of code?
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22:38:03lowlightdan_a: sub_FA7C appears after every string, so I trying to understand the behavior
22:38:46linuxstbTrying to work out the LCD?
22:39:44lowlighttrying to work out anything ;)
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22:41:45habanais there a fast update method for the RB fw ? i made mods i'd like to test :)
22:42:00habana...for sansa player
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22:43:03Bagderthe update method is to unzip the most recent rockbox zip
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22:43:25Bagderbut you say you have "mods", then just cvs update and run make
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22:45:01yossaI submitted three patches which may be of interest to some sansa gamers out there
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22:47:56habanayossa: you modified keys ? Where could i review them ?
22:48:21yossait's all here:
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22:50:15habanathanks, so i'll wait until theyre accepted :)
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22:51:23dan_ahabana: Would you mind testing them? If you think that they're OK, I'll apply them
22:52:51yossahabana: if you're worried, about bricking, they're just simple keymap changes, no actual code has been tinkered with in any way
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23:03:10bun-bunhi everyone
23:03:52bun-buni recently installed rockbox on my iriver h340 and i noticed delays in processing keypresses at times
23:04:02bun-bunis there anything i can do to alleviate some of that?
23:04:52bun-bunor is that the nature of running the system from disk
23:05:08linuxstbYou can enable "dircache"
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23:10:47bun-bunlinuxstb# will that have adverse effects on battery life?
23:11:33peturthe contrary
23:11:39linuxstbIt depends. It uses up some memory (meaning a slightly smaller buffer for audio), but it reduces the number of disk accesses.
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23:11:56bun-bunhmm that sounds good, i'll try it. thanks
23:12:05linuxstbBut if you're the type of user that browses the file tree a lot, it will probably save power.
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23:32:43dan_aOnly 128 people...
23:33:13Martini33333only? thats a few
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23:47:44ElaraIs anyone willing to help me with an m3u playlist problem I'm having? I know I'm screwing up somehow, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
23:48:26Martini33333Hi and thanks to all who helped with the sansa e280 boot problem!!!
23:48:38linuxstbElara: Just ask. (no need to ask to ask).
23:49:18ElaraWell, I'm using the 12/18/06 build of Rockbox for my Ipod color photo....
23:49:58DerPapstlinuxstb: can ipodpatcher still detect an iPod after using the new −−add-bootloader-bin?
23:50:11ElaraI made a playlist of songs, all of which are on my player, and in Rockbox's database, with the names unchanged from what's in the playlist....
23:50:31linuxstbDerPapst: Yes.
23:50:59linuxstbDerPapst: There's no difference between "−−add-bootloader-bin loader.bin" and "−−add-bootloader loader.ipod"
23:51:12DerPapstsweet :)
23:51:19ElaraI saved the playlist as an m3u file, using WMP11, and transferred the m3u file into the Playlists folder on my color/photo....
23:52:47linuxstbElara: A ".m3u" file is just a text file containing a list of filenames. Opening it in a text editor (e.g. notepad) may help explain any issues.
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23:54:13ElaraWhen I load Rockbox on my color photo, the playlist shows up. When I enter the playlist, the list of songs show up. When I try to play the playlist, the ipod goes to the first song, puts up the WPS, and then hangs. It won't play. If you hit play again, it "pauses" and when you hit play again, it comes out of "pause" mode, but still never plays. Back/forward won't take you through the playlist, and if I hit th
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23:54:59yossasilly question: is there a way to compile a single plugin instead of the whole firmware?
23:55:13linuxstbElara: Do those files play OK if you select them normally in the file browser or database browser?
23:55:34linuxstbyossa: No
23:56:00linuxstbAre you using cygwin?
23:56:02Elaralinuxsb: Yes, they do.
23:56:27linuxstbDoes the WPS display the information from the first file?
23:57:10ElaraYes, it does, and a progress bar, as if it is playing, but the progress bar never moves.
23:59:01linuxstbElara: Then I have no ideas... What format is the music?

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