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11:35:16Zagorthe web server is coming up soon
11:35:43Zagorit appears one of the cpus was dodgy. after removing it everything works (for now at least)
11:37:45RaverDavestill cant get doom going
11:37:50Zagorso now our SMP box is a Single Mono Processor machine :)
11:41:31RaverDaveso,what am i doing wrong,i have made a dir called games/doom/ then i got the doom2.wad and then the freedoom.wad..i renamed the latter to rockdoom.wad, and now it reports all these missing files when i press play game
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11:42:32RaverDavei meant doom1.wad..anyhow...
11:44:36Zagorsorry, I haven't tried doom myself
11:45:08RaverDaveheh,ok now i have to work out why it wont play the mp3's i just put on also!
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11:47:26linuxstbRaverDave: When the wiki is back up, visit the PluginDoom page, that has the files and instructions you need.
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11:48:09*linuxstb welcomes back and thanks Zagor for visiting it on Christmas morning
11:48:17Topic"Web server is back up" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
11:48:31RaverDaveok man..cheers!i need to work out this mp3 prob now
11:51:44Zagormerry christmas everyone. i'm heading back to my family.
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12:31:11JdGordonam i still here?
12:31:37dan_a_JdGordon: You seem to be
12:32:17JdGordonhmm, yay... i guess :p
12:33:29dan_a_Merry Christmas, by the way (if it's Christmas in your timezone)
12:34:32JdGordontis for another 90min
12:34:34JdGordonsame to you
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13:30:59sureWNhey −− was wondering if i could have some help... basically error on last step of installation on 5.5G 30GB 'Couldn't open input file bootloader.ipodvideo.ipod'.. PM for more details :)
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14:09:46JdGordondoes anyone tihnk fs 6022 can be closed? seen as there isnt really any way to speed up folder deletion so its as good as its goin to get?
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14:14:07mathglhi, i tried rockbox on my X5L, and now i have a green line in the center of screen... :(
14:14:47mathglrollback to original firmware don't solve the probleme.
14:15:21mathglanybody have an idea ?
14:18:02Nibbieri doubt this is a software problem then
14:18:27mathgl:( ... it's happen when i change rockbox theme
14:18:47mathgland it's a new player
14:18:57Nibbieri have no real clue, but i still guess its hardware error
14:22:21mathglit's sure a bad use of the lcd can't do that ?
14:22:58Nibbieri did not develope rockbox, but i still doubt that
14:23:13cd_rom_for_freeanybody knows any good progs like itunes but allow me to transfer ogg files to ipod nano?
14:24:05JdGordoncd_rom_for_free: im assming you have rockbox installed... just copy them onto it in exporer...
14:26:27cd_rom_for_freeyep, i do have rockbox installed in my ipod
14:26:46cd_rom_for_freei found out rockbox yesterday and spent the evening tinkering with it!
14:26:49cd_rom_for_freeit's very cool!
14:27:06JdGordonand your still using itunes?
14:27:06*Nibbier wished to have a mp3player again :|
14:27:23Nibbierwhat rockbox device would you recommend?
14:27:25cd_rom_for_free"just copy them onto it in exporer..." you mean copy ogg files directly to ipod?
14:27:38cd_rom_for_freeJdGordon: yes
14:27:50cd_rom_for_freeim converting all my mp3 to ogg now!
14:27:51JdGordonNibbier: depends what you want.. the x5 is the usual suggestion atm
14:27:53cd_rom_for_freealmost done :D
14:28:05NibbierJdGordon, x5 what? ipod?
14:28:16JdGordonNibbier: iaudio x5
14:28:39JdGordoncd_rom_for_free: going from lossy to lossy codecs makes it sound worse... if you have the cds you shuold re-rip them
14:29:22Nibbierok, thnaks
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14:30:09*JdGordon just went through flyspray and found 11 bugs which I'm gonna have a try to fix
14:30:36JdGordonactually 10 bugs and 1 patch
14:30:47pixelmayour setting patch?
14:30:51*pixelma runs again
14:31:01cd_rom_for_freeJdGordon,i do have the cd indeed, most of my music are ripped from cds
14:31:05cd_rom_for_freebut it takes ages!
14:31:48cd_rom_for_freeim not sure if i like to re-rip it
14:31:53JdGordonpixelma: haha, yeah, and that one
14:32:08JdGordonrekon i'll get in trouble if i commit it as is? :p
14:32:09cd_rom_for_freelemme give it a try after see any differences!
14:32:24JdGordoncd_rom_for_free: you'll hear the difference.. not see it
14:32:25Soapif you aren't going to rerip, why MP3->OGG?
14:32:29amiconnIf you have enough hd storage capacity, it's a good idea to rip once into a lossless format (e.g. FLAC). Then you can transcode to whatever lossy (or other lossless) format from that
14:33:10cd_rom_for_freeJdGordon! haha, im halucilating when i listen to music!
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14:34:20cd_rom_for_freeSoap: i want to switch to linux full time
14:34:32Soaplinux plays MP3s.
14:34:42cd_rom_for_freeand everytime like that you have to download plug-in
14:34:50Soapunless you drink the debian kool-aid.
14:34:50JdGordonafter a bit of forcing it does...
14:34:52cd_rom_for_freei know, but i don't have internet in my linux box
14:35:00cd_rom_for_freeSoap: i like debian 3.1
14:35:12cd_rom_for_freeeverything (multimedia works right out of box)
14:35:21Soapthere is a difference between being a christian and following Jim Jones.
14:35:46JdGordonthere is?
14:36:02SoapJust as there is a difference between liking Debian and drinking the "GNU or Nothing!" kool-aid.
14:36:17cd_rom_for_freeamiconn: i only want to rip ogg at 128 at vbr cause i only got 2 gigs for my ipod
14:36:38JdGordonamiconn: your a windows person right? what editor do you use which doesnt stuff up the end-of-line and txt encoding?
14:36:55amiconnI'm using ConTEXT
14:38:29amiconnThe only drawback is that it doesn't support UTF-8 yet (it's planned...)
14:39:28JdGordonjust gotta get cygwin going and i can work under windows again
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14:48:56*gonnet is a bit pwned
14:49:17gonnetfor whatever reaser things went wrong during the firmware change
14:49:39gonnetand reset this (hold + select + menu) does not do anything
14:49:51gonnetanybody ever experienced it ?
14:50:40amiconn'hold' doesn't mean the hold switch here
14:50:51gonnetah :)
14:50:52amiconnYou need to _hold down_ Select+Menu a few seconds
14:51:01gonnetyes of course
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14:51:29gonnetwhat happens is that i have an apple logo very dark
14:51:37gonnetafter hlding these buttons
14:51:47Tommmohihya people im having problems with the voice script to make ur own voice files
14:51:48gonnetit just make a little glinch or whatever
14:51:57gonnetand back in the apple logo :/
14:52:07Tommmoi cant change the voice engine
14:52:08Tommmoany ideas
14:52:48Tommmoi click on voice settings and nothing happens
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14:53:58Tommmoany1 no what i should be doing?
14:56:05cd_rom_for_freeokay, im done here! Merry Christmas to you guys!
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14:56:39gonnetah i found some way to go in disk mode
14:56:45gonnetgoogle is my Xmas gift :p
15:02:28Tommmohey can some1 talk me though that scripting thing to voice my iriver?
15:02:32amiconnBagder: The commit notification script throws errors....
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15:17:39gonnethum rockbox error -1:)
15:18:01gonnetis there any "stable" release btw ?
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15:18:54Tommmostable realses for anchos only
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15:21:26Soap-1 = you don't have the firmware on your player, only the bootloader.
15:21:58Tommmoi had that b4 once
15:22:04Tommmon i had the firmware on my player
15:22:10Tommmoi just delted the .rockbox n
15:22:16Tommmore extracted it
15:22:16Tommmon it worked
15:23:12gonnetSoap: thanks ;)
15:23:35*gonnet had illread the doc
15:25:21Tommmohey with the voice files creater scrip how long should it take for a 4gb machine?
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16:05:09amarhope someperple are here
16:05:11amarhow do you shutdown a frozen nano
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16:06:01gonnetamar: ?
16:07:04amarbut rockbox was running and it compleatly locked up
16:07:10amarthe screen is still on
16:09:54Soappress and hold down Menu+Select
16:10:25amarthanks that worked
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16:12:02A_SNHi, is this the appropriate place for a frustrated noob to complain that he can't go back to the Apple firmware or mount his iPod to Windows anymore?
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16:16:01Soaponly if said noob describes in detail not only the sysmtoms, but what actions noob has taken.
16:20:21amarive had many rants today but my sister was happy to let me put rockbox on her nano
16:20:44A_SNgood, so, i followed the install instructions, copied the .ipod file and the .rockbox folder to the root of the iPod, then the fonts, backed up the original fw, installed the new one, ejected and rebooted, so far everything worked fine
16:21:21A_SNand now when i try to reboot into the original fw by turning on HOLD while it's booting it says loading old firmware and then reboots and reboots in a loop
16:21:45A_SNand windows doesn't mount it anymore nor does ipodpatcher −−scan recognize anything
16:21:59A_SNi got it plugged in firewire btw
16:25:53Genre9mp3A_SN: I don't have an iPod but AFAICS to your problems: 1) the bootloader now has changed 2) firewire is not supported on Rockbox
16:26:12Genre9mp3someone more knowledgable on iPods can answer you in detail
16:27:11A_SNok thanks, i'll try with USB
16:31:10SoapA_SN: What install instructions did you follow? And I assume you have a 30 gig brand new iPod?
16:31:29A_SNnope, 20 GB 4th gen (grayscale)
16:31:39A_SNso I followed these
16:33:26A_SNanyways, works, thanks for help!
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16:37:10lostlogic::shakefist:: recording doesn't compile without priority scheduling *fixes* *don't want no priority scheduling*
16:38:02Soapoh, so you got original firmware to work again?
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17:03:36DoraemonMerry Christmas everyone, I had a question about an error I'm getting with the ipodpatcher binary on OS 10.4.8 (PPC)
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17:08:12DoraemonNevermind, user error! ;) Sorry to inconvenience the channel, keep up the good work on an awesome product.
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17:20:00ydoI just installed rockbox, but it says error: -1 at startup and the original gui boots instead, I can't see a log file.. is there any?
17:20:35ydothis is on an ipod nano and I'm pretty sure its a 1st gen
17:21:19ydoanyone around?
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17:29:14ydohooray! it works! :) and the plasma is smooth which it is not on my friends iriver
17:29:31ydomerry xmas all!
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17:37:14*tehsmo got an ipod video :)
17:39:33tehsmoso, if I add songs with gnupod, will rockbox's database be able to find them nicely? I assume so
17:39:59LloreanIf the files are on the disk and have the proper extension, Rockbox's database can find them.
17:40:22tehsmoI'll add stuff with gnupod for now, then
17:40:55LloreanMany people just drag 'n drop
17:41:04*tehsmo prefers perl scripts. :)
17:41:31tehsmobut anyway, what's the right location for the ipod 5g install instructions? I recall somebody saying the manual was out of date
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17:44:08LloreanA much easier to follow, and more reliable install
17:45:43tehsmocool, thanks
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17:50:01ASiDIEhey all
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17:57:41hcshi, is anyone with access to the project here?
17:57:57hcsa patch was supposedly sent to it...
17:59:17LloreanA patch?
17:59:25hcsI have no idea
18:00:38hcs"emailed it to their tracker"
18:02:41Lloreanhcs: If you try to go to sourceforge's project page for Rockbox, you can't see the tracker page, so I'm not sure what they think they've done.
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18:06:47Taylorhello everyone
18:07:52lostlogicLlorean: that is interesting. I'm trying to think of a way to definitively test that the COP is running code... probably a plugin that runs a fixed number of iterations on each core simultaneously and reports the execution time.
18:08:25Taylorcan you red me?
18:08:42Taylorcan you read me?, sorry
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18:08:47Lloreanlostlogic: In theory, the counter test was supposed to not yield, which means that if it were happening on the main core the screen wouldn't be able to update to show the counter results.
18:09:08LloreanBut I didn't look to see if that's how it was actually set up
18:09:38lostlogicTaylor: yes
18:09:50lostlogicLlorean: ahhh
18:09:58lostlogicLlorean: I missed that part of the program.
18:10:12Taylorok, thank you
18:10:22Lloreanlostlogic: I'm not sure if it's doing that, that was just what was suggested as a means of testing it beforehand. I never looked to see if that was how it got implemented.
18:10:29lostlogicthen I can't see why the boost ratio and battery life would be so close w/ and w/o the patch
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18:11:32lostlogicyeah, it doesn't yield
18:11:39lostlogicso if the screen updates, it ... wtf.
18:11:50Lloreanlostlogic: As long as it is being done on the second core, it would mean that prior to that the second core wasn't properly disabled and was still drawing power, wouldn't it?
18:11:53Taylorsomeone of Buenos Aires?
18:12:45lostlogicLlorean: yeah, that seems to be clear, but it still doesn't explain why the boost ratio would be just as high with the codec thread on COP as with it on the CPU
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18:13:21lostlogicLlorean: lemme try playing audio while running the counter.
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18:13:56Lloreanlostlogic: Well, the UI still slows the heck down if you enable things like equalizer, crossfeed, and dithering all at once, maybe the codec thread itself is somewhat minimal?
18:14:24lostlogicLlorean: naw, the codec thread is where all of those things are executed, so if codec is on the COP so are those
18:14:37LloreanWell, then they shouldn't be able to slow down the UI should they?
18:15:11LloreanBuuuut, the real question is "Is the current COP patch really offloading the codec thread properly?"
18:15:38lostlogicyah, but the codec thread is started the same way the counter thread is, so
18:15:40*lostlogic confused
18:16:36LloreanI am too.
18:16:52LloreanIt could still be doing the "executing on both cores" thing, though
18:21:07cd_rom_for_freeis this just me or explorer? it doesn't display tag for ogg files format
18:21:34LloreanExplorer doesn't naturally, I think
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18:21:59cd_rom_for_freeLlorean: do you know any prog like itunes but support ogg?
18:22:13Lloreancd_rom_for_free: MediaMonkey is popular.
18:22:28cd_rom_for_freei just look into forum and hit that thread
18:23:23Davei was wondering if someone could guide me to the ipod video bootloaders
18:23:40Davethe link in the installation (html) files doesn't work
18:24:00LloreanNew instructions too
18:25:17Davethanks mate
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18:33:15Davei have just installed rockbox on my ipod, to start it up using the rockbox do i just reboot my ipod?
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18:39:59Davethis sounds silly but how do i play music?
18:40:13LloreanClick on the files?
18:40:23lostlogicLlorean: ... ok, so the counter seems to run and music play at the same time... which if both are on the COP is impossible
18:40:28lostlogicso codec thread clearly not on COP ... wtf
18:41:06Davei click the rockbox and it shows the logo and nothing else happens. i habe checked through the menus but can't fins any music file lists
18:41:27LloreanDave: Clicking the rockbox file just reloads Rockbox. Apparently you haven't read the manual?
18:41:59Davereading it now but not really understanding it.
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18:47:24Davei can't find the file browser.
18:47:37Daveit says in the instructions - After you have first started the player you’ll be presented by the File Browser. With the default settings only supported files are shown. Rockbox’ default view is the File Browser, similar to Windows’ Explorer. If you don’t have audio files on your player, or created folders you will only see a blank screen with the statusbar at the top. If this is your..., now is a good time to connect your player to a computer and transfer some audio files to it.
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18:48:44Davebut i just get 5 menu buttons for the calendars, contacts, notes, photos and rockbox. i notice when you click menu on the ipod it shows the settings but i can't see any file browser.
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18:54:42LloreanThose are not menu buttons
18:54:43LloreanThose are folders
18:54:50LloreanBy "presented with" it means "you're lookin' at it."
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18:59:02ydobeen using rockbox for an hour now, I already love it! :)
18:59:37webguest38the GP2X console runs two arm 920 cpu's nad it's open source, perhaps this can be a source for arm info ?
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19:02:28Lloreanwebguest38: The problem on the ARM based targets it not ARM itself as an architecture, but the various system-on-a-chips such as PortalPlayer which include a bunch of extra hardware
19:03:34webguest38ah i see, thanks
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19:13:05ydois there any guide to get going developing plugins?
19:17:24ydoI tried to run ../tools/configure as stated but I couldn't choose ipod as target platform..
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19:40:28barrywardelllostlogic: i agree with your conclusion that we're lockstepping the cores
19:41:27lostlogicbarrywardell: I noticed that the cop_counter counts and music plays at the same time
19:41:37lostlogicwhich means that cop_counter is on the cop but codec is not
19:41:51barrywardellyes, i read that in the logs
19:42:02barrywardellit seems certain at least that cop_counter is running on the cop
19:42:21barrywardellso at least we know that creating threads on the cop works
19:42:54lostlogicbut why does the codec thread not run on it
19:42:59lostlogicit seems like we start them both in the same way
19:43:59barrywardellyes, in fact i based the counter code off how the codec code does things!
19:44:26ydocan somebody help me? I've built a simulator in X11 and the sim works but it need the .rockbox directory, how do I get one of these for elf-386?
19:45:46PaulPositionuh? You built the sim from sources and then went 'make install' ? You should have a .rockbox directory in the /archos folder.. (or did I not get this right)
19:46:04ydoI did not do make install, I just make
19:46:36PaulPositionydo - make, yes.. then make install :)
19:47:26ydothe manual is very terse
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19:47:59PaulPositionThen you could put some music, text files and such in archos/ (that's the "root of your virtual dap") and whatever themes you want to test in archos/.rockbox/[folder name]..
19:48:37ydoI'd like to develope a cooler cube-plugin :)
19:53:22PaulPositionydo - Cooler? Different colours? A shape that morph? (not a big fan of the 'demo' plugins but curious anyway.. :) )
19:53:41ydoother shapes, shading
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19:54:41PaulPositionWow, the COP triumvirat is here on christmas day. C'mon guys, take a break (but not too long!) :D
19:55:12ydo'COP triumvirat'?
19:56:27PaulPositionydo - nevermind.. A reference to Barry, Dan and Lostlogic who've been working on getting the second core of PortalPlayer devices working.. They're workaholics as far as I can tell. :p
19:56:38PaulPosition(not that I hate that)
19:57:17barrywardelllostlogic: i put a test for CURRENT_CORE==COP inside the while(1) in codec_thread. with COP, the audio playback works. without it doesn't work. i think that reasonably suggests that the codec thread is running on the COP
19:57:42barrywardell(ie. it doesn't work with CURRENT_CORE==CPU)
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19:58:21hcsdoes anyone know somewhere someone could have sent a patch by mistake?
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19:59:58PaulPositionhcs: Uh?!?
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20:06:08hcsPaulPosition: I'm looking for something that was supposedly "emailed it to their tracker", an spc player for rockbox
20:06:17hcsI don't know what tracker this could be
20:06:30zylcheI know that rockbox supports AAC encoding, but does it support AACPlus v2 encoding? :E
20:06:57PaulPositionhcs: Tracker *may* refer to the patch tracker, which you'll find on the left columb of site.
20:07:22hcsPaulPosition: yes, I know it well, but it isn't there, and he did specify email
20:07:42hcsI haven't been able to ask him about it since
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20:08:06PaulPositionhcs - Ah, I understand what you mean.. Maybe he meant emailed to the dev mailing list, because I don't think you can mail the tracker anyway.
20:08:24*dan_a curses wireless networks
20:08:31hcsI'd considered that, but I don't see any posts on the mailing list about it
20:08:44PaulPositionhcs - Sorry then, ran short of imagination.
20:09:15hcshe uses sourceforge for releasing other stuff, so I thought he might have sent it to the sf project somehow
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20:17:19Vyrus001so how do i "make my database ready" ?
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20:20:23PaulPositionVyrus - The manual should tell you but I'm unsure if it indeed does.. You need to initialize the DB through the settings menu, let it run a few good minutes and then *reboot* the device. On booting up it should say that it's 'committing the database'.. You're done.
20:22:14Vyrus001thanx PaulPosition :D
20:22:24PaulPositionyour wlecome.
20:22:45Vyrus001yea i just got an iaudo :D
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20:22:51Vyrus001rock box was the first thing i put on it :D
20:23:09Vyrus001still workng on getting it to list my stuff by id3 tags
20:23:16Vyrus001at the moment its not showing all my audio :(
20:23:16hcsLlorean: any chance he could have sent it to sf's tracker by email?
20:23:57Lloreanhcs: I do not know. Why not just tell the person to post the patch to the proper place?
20:24:07hcsbecause he is hard to get hold of
20:24:19dan_alostlogic, barrywardell: Is it possible that the codec thread is waiting on something from a different thread, so it is being forced to lockstep? One way to be sure it is running on the COP is to do COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP somewhere, which should sleep the coprocessor so stop the codec thread - although the COP might get woken by timer interrupts.
20:24:37Lloreanlostlogic: Question about your recent commits: How do they affect single-core targets? Isn't the priority scheduling beneficial in many cases, or supposed to be?
20:25:32dan_aLlorean: Nice work on the runtime test with the COP patch. Hopefully that shows that when we've got things working properly it will improve battery life
20:25:45barrywardelldan_a: see my latest post to the tracker? i think that confirms that the codec thread is actually running on the COP
20:25:54Lloreandan_a: The time difference between 90% and 10% was ~3 minutes.
20:26:22LloreanAs in, the difference between with and without COP patch.
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20:28:07dan_abarrywardell: I hadn't seen that. That's good news.
20:29:03barrywardellyes,assuming i haven't overlooked something in my logic!
20:29:50dan_aHmmm... can anyone think of a way to test what speed the COP is running at? If the COP is running at 24MHz and the main core at 75, would we get these symptoms?
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20:33:09barrywardellmaybe we can try with frequency scaling disabled? that should run both at 75?
20:35:02dan_aIt's worth a try, but I'm not at all sure how to control the clock for the COP. Oh why oh why didn't Santa bring me the PortalPlayer documentation I asked him for?!
20:35:40*ender` yawns
20:39:46barrywardelldan_a: have you seen MrH's clock handling document? it's quite good, but I don't see anything about controlling the cpu and cop separately
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20:41:12dan_aI've had a brief look at it, I'll revisit it now we're a lot closer with the Sansa.
20:41:35dan_aAnd I should be getting my hands on a 4g iPod too, so I can do tests on that
20:42:37dan_aI've heard several times that the COP can be clocked slower than the CPU - but I've not seen anything definitive
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20:45:18barrywardelldisabling frequency scaling doesn't make any differece
20:45:26lostlogicLlorean_Lunch: I just allowed compilation without it
20:45:43lostlogicLlorean_Lunch: I personally don't like the priority scheduling behavior so I compile without it and so fix things that break compilation without
20:45:54cynicalliberal>.> I think Llorean's out to lunch
20:46:01lostlogicyeah, he'll see it later
20:47:09lostlogicdan_a: I don't think that the codec thread really waits for anything from the other threads, it's pretty much the driver
20:48:20barrywardelldan_a: there's also the "automatic" clock switching built into the pp. it's possible that is affecting things.
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20:52:11LloreanYeah, I'm at family's, and we had a big turkey lunch. Now they're all turkey-napping, so I've returned
20:53:01LloreanReading "Make recording compile without priority scheduling" I interpreted "make" as "force" rather than "allow"
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20:54:30lostlogicah, I can see the unclarity.
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20:55:54LloreanBut now I understand.
20:58:18LloreanAlso, is it true that the frequency scaling issue has cleared up on H10s and PP5002 iPods?
20:58:47barrywardellit works fine with my h10 with both the cop patch and cpufreq4 patch applied
21:01:08barrywardelli haven't tested any other combinations
21:02:26Lloreanbarrywardell: I think the lockstepping is more likely
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21:03:19Lloreanbarrywardell: If I add DSP features like EQ, Crossfeed, and Dithering all at once, the UI slows down a LOT, which shouldn't happen if the UI is on a different core from the codec thread, right?
21:03:58barrywardellyes, i think so. is the cpu waiting on the cop to decode for some reason?
21:06:06lostlogicthe bigger question is: how can the audio playback work with the cop_counter patch
21:06:11lostlogicthat's what I'm confused by
21:13:44dan_aWhich thread are the DSP features applied in?
21:15:07Lloreandan_a: According to lostlogic, the codec thread.
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21:21:28dan_aAll this dual core stuff confuses me. I only started it because I wanted playback without skipping on my 3g iPod and it looked easier to do that than optimise the codecs!
21:24:37PaulPositionSo, if (weirdly enough) I thought it was way cool to fiddle with this embedded programming and hacking stuff, would I rather go and study programmation/computer science or Electronic technologies?
21:25:51thegeekI'm studying computer science right now
21:25:55thegeekand I can specialise in embedded systems
21:26:04thegeekbasically doing the software side
21:26:24linuxstbbarrywardell: The build you gave me the other day froze on my iPod Color...
21:26:27thegeekif you want to design the electronics themselves you'll want to become an electronic engineer I guess
21:28:07PaulPositionthegeek: Makes a load of sense. Would you learn simple electronics (like designing and using a dev board for testing or such) ? How many years of schooling do you expect (no matter what specialty you chose)?
21:28:13PaulPositionthegeek: and thanks. :)
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21:30:04Lloreanlinuxstb: So, it still freezes on yours?
21:30:11LloreanAlso, do you have any idea about ?
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21:39:17barrywardelllinuxstb: that's a pity.
21:39:40barrywardelli thought it might have been magically fixed
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21:42:40Llorean14 seconds. Patient.
21:46:30linuxstbLlorean: I think the poster in #7852 is simply not using the correct device. "/media/ipod" sounds like a mount point, rather than a device, so he/she should simply run ipodpatcher −−scan, as I posted.
21:46:57Lloreanlinuxstb: Makes sense.
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21:51:59Jeff3merry xmas guys
21:52:16Nik07Will it give also for ipod nano 5.5th to Rockstar towards?
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21:59:03lostlogicdan_a: you thought that the dual core stuff would be easier than optimizing!? :-P
22:00:09bagawkwho would not want a SMP DAP!? :)
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22:01:41dan_alostlogic: Yes. Fool thqt
22:01:50dan_a*fool that I am
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22:05:20lostlogicdan_a: it must be close to working, because somehow the cop_counter and the codec can run at the same time and if anything and the cop_counter can run at the same time, the second core is running lines of cod.
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22:12:10barrywardelllostlogic: in my testing i get a data abort when i try to play music while the cop_counter thread is running
22:12:29barrywardellso they can't run at the same time!
22:12:56linuxstbDoes the codec-on-cop patch take care of the cache?
22:12:57lostlogicbarrywardell: really? I'm 99.5% sure I had cop_counter and audio at the same time, I'll double check shortly.
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22:14:07barrywardelllinuxstb: i'm not too sure about that. it's pretty much just a cvs sync of what dan_a did, so he would know best
22:14:44barrywardelllostlogic: i thought i had previously got cop_counter + audio working too. but my tests now give a data abort so maybe not...
22:15:16dan_alinuxstb: Every variable that the codec thread shares with other threads is put into IRAM, so it should be
22:15:29linuxstbWhat about the audio data?
22:16:09lostlogiclinuxstb: that should be fine, because the pcm buffer is only written by the codec thread and read by the FIQ and the file buffer is only written by the audio thread and read by the codec thread, right?
22:16:20lostlogicthere's no r/w by two threads
22:18:01linuxstbWhat do you mean by "there's no r/w by two threads" ?
22:18:43lostlogicneither buffer gets read and written by two threads, each thread performs one operation
22:19:55barrywardelllostlogic: i had to make the counter variable volatile for the counter to work properly because the cpu doesn't know the counter has changed and just caches it
22:20:08barrywardelli think that's what linuxstb is worried about
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22:20:21linuxstbBut a write to memory on the main CPU will be cached, as will reads from memory on the COP... (in the two independent caches)
22:21:13lostlogichmm... yes, that could be a problem.
22:23:32dan_aI don't think you need to declare variables volatile as the compiler knows when they will be changed - or am I wrong there?
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22:27:46linuxstbBTW, what I read about the cpu clocks is that the COP can be run at either 100%, 50% or 0% of the speed of the main CPU. Not sure where I read that, but possibly one of the PP product briefs.
22:28:13barrywardelldan_a: I just tried removing the volatile and the counter stays at 2 according to the debug screen
22:28:25Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm not sure if you saw my mention on the tracker, but battery bench with and without the COP patch showed equal runtime on my nano.
22:28:42linuxstbbarrywardell: Where is the variable defined? (i.e. which .c file?)
22:29:08linuxstbLlorean: No, I didn't see that. Maybe that means the COP has always been running...
22:30:07linuxstbAnd the code displaying it is in debug_menu.c ?
22:33:09barrywardellthe patch is in the tracker. it's only a few lines long.
22:34:33barrywardellregarding the clocks, the pp brief says this: up to 80MHz processor operation per core with independent clock skipping feature on COP
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22:36:25dan_aMaybe every variable in the patch which is changed to IDATA_ATTR needs to be marked volatile as well?
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22:39:07Soaahi everyone
22:39:47Soaai want to add in a WPS for the newly completed gigabeat port but i don't have write access to the wiki
22:39:53Soaamy account name is AlainTrinh
22:40:41Lloreanlinuxstb: That's pretty much what I got from it too. Because I wasn't sure if it was fully charged, and I had to turn off one run slightly early, I used 90% to 10%, and the time difference between with and without cop was ~3 minutes.
22:40:52LloreanAnd this was with identical non-random playlists
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22:46:17lostlogicok, I'm listening to audio with cop_counter applied
22:46:29lostlogicand the counter is counting
22:47:13dan_aBut the counter doesn't yield or sleep, so how does the codec thread run?
22:47:31lostlogicon the main processor
22:47:50lostlogicnow _why_ that might be I have no idea
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22:48:42barrywardelllostlogic: what about if you make sure the codec thread only runs on the COP like i described in the tracker?
22:48:59lostlogicwill do
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22:50:32lostlogicif (CURRNET_CORE == COP) { right?
22:50:58barrywardellapart from the type
22:52:10lostlogicyeah, that :)
22:53:46lostlogicshutdown didn't work just now.
22:54:02lostlogic(from the build that had audio playing and cop_counter
22:54:16Bagderbtw, the web site is currently running single-cpu
22:54:45lostlogicBagder: processor problem or motherboard?
22:54:50Bagderso I think I'll remove the builds from that itself
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22:54:55Bagderprocessor problems it seemed
22:55:38barrywardelllostlogic: now i can run codec and cop_counter. i think i may not have been unzipping the whole every time, but just copying over rockbox.h10
22:55:57lostlogicbarrywardell: *nod*
22:56:15lostlogicok, no change with adding that if()
22:56:31lostlogicso it _thinks_ it's running on the COP but is clearly not running on the same core as the counter (wtf)
22:56:44Bagderwe probably should get a fresh new hw for the server after the holidays or so
22:56:44barrywardelland what about if you do if (CURRENT_CORE ==CPU)?
22:56:51dan_aSo has someone added in preemptive multitasking without telling us?
22:56:52Lloreanlostlogic: Why not create two parallel counters and see if they can both run on the second core?
22:57:05lostlogicdan_a: haha
22:57:10lostlogicbarrywardell: will try that
22:57:19lostlogicLlorean: sounds like a good way to lockup the system :-P
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22:57:35Lloreanlostlogic: If it locks up the system, then things are working right though, right?
22:58:56*barrywardell wishes he could get jtag working right
22:59:26lostlogicLlorean: yes
22:59:58lostlogichmm... I think that it just froze after the first song
23:00:23lostlogic(with CURRENT_CPU==COP
23:00:56lostlogicquite frozen
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23:01:56LloreanMight is somehow lose being on the COP after track change?
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23:02:16lostlogicit'd be the othe rway around, but maybehaps
23:02:49LloreanOh, I didn't check what the if was checking
23:03:16lostlogicwell it's something quacky, I'll tell ya that much
23:03:28lostlogicwith CURRENT_CPU == CPU it doesn't play audio at all
23:03:43dan_alostlogic: CURRENT_CORE?
23:03:58lostlogicyeah, that.
23:04:14lostlogicwe sure do have fancy USB logos these days
23:04:17dan_aJust checking! What happens if you forward onto the next track?
23:04:32lostlogicno dice
23:04:53lostlogiccodec thread can't run at all, can't even go to disk mode from rockbox because the thread is stuck
23:08:07bro2baseballDoes anyone know who ported the Pacman emulator (PIE) to rockbox?
23:08:33*linuxstb did
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23:10:08Fincherydoes anyone know if the reason im not getting any sound is because i have the iaudio frozen blue screen of death?
23:11:01*Llorean wonders what aspect of Rockbox one might call a "blue screen of death"
23:11:16LloreanI suppose one of the illegal instruction or divide by zero screens.
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23:15:58[Gino]How can I "browse" the songs on my x5 with rockbox, by id3 tags? I have enabled the database as the manual says, but I don't know how to browse the songs...
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23:18:56Llorean[Gino]: I don't know what you're asking exactly. You switch file-view mode to the database, and you browse them... it's the same as browsing the filetree.
23:20:05muesli-btw wot about havin "show all files" and repeat:off as standard values?
23:20:26[Gino]SYeah, I know that was a confusing question... What I basically mean is, can I browse by id3 tags (such on the iPod and other mp3 players) rather than using the filetree
23:20:38muesli-(VERY useful after resetting settings)
23:21:19Lloreanmuesli-: Why is "supported" a bad default?
23:21:33Llorean[Gino]: Yes, you can.
23:21:47[Gino]How exactly do I do that?
23:21:58muesli-cos to apply a saved setting you have to change that value every time
23:22:05muesli-same for repeat mode
23:22:10Llorean[Gino]: You said you followed the manual's instructions on how to enable the database, did you switch file view modes?
23:22:29Lloreanmuesli-: What exactly do you mean? Why do you have to change either of those to apply a saved setting?
23:22:35linuxstbmuesli: Export your favourite settings to a .cfg file, then just select that file from the file browser after any settings reset.
23:23:23muesli-linuxstb exactly what i do...but to apply a cfg "all files" must be activated since .rockbox is not shown otherwise
23:23:55cd_rom_for_freei think you need to "write" it first
23:24:11muesli-its already there
23:24:16linuxstbMove it out of .rockbox, or select "Browse cfg files" from the menu
23:24:22[Gino]Llorean, BY going to general settings>File View>Database>Initialize now?
23:24:25lostlogicis it possible that our way of knowing which core code is running on (the current_core()) function is wrong?
23:24:44cd_rom_for_freelostlogic: you are sill working on that? ;D
23:24:55Llorean[Gino]: No, I said change the file view mode. Either from the quick menu, or the entry in the main menu.
23:25:04muesli-linuxstb ok, that would work
23:25:08lostlogiccd_rom_for_free: it still doesn't work right ;)
23:25:08dan_alostlogic: I wouldn't stake my life on it being right, but I'm reasonably confident
23:25:14barrywardelllostlogic: i don't think so.
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23:25:36cd_rom_for_freelostlogic: you will get it eventually! :D
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23:26:32[Gino]Llorean, I'm sorry.... can you xeplain how to do that?
23:26:48lostlogicbarrywardell, dan_a: then how can the codec thread and the cop_counter both be running on the COP (or so they report) and music play?
23:27:37barrywardelldan_a: you mentioned before that you thought we should wake the cop earlier (in crt0). any reasons for this? and do you think we should wait for the cop to be awake before continuing?
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23:28:58dan_abarrywardell: I just think that if we've got a cop_main() function, then that should always run rather than waiting for the COP to be woken. There's no technical reason, but it feels cleaner.
23:29:01haxorjoewill the 2nd gen nano ever be supported?
23:29:06Llorean[Gino]: I'm not sure the exact menu path to get to it. Just look for File View or Quick Menu in the manual
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23:29:37Lloreanhaxorjoe: Nobody can answer that.
23:29:54cd_rom[Gino]: what is wrong, i may be able to help!?!
23:30:30linuxstbhaxorjoe: It requires someone to 1) Break the encryption; 2) Reverse-engineer all the hardware (it's completely different to the previous ipods).
23:30:30cd_romi see
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23:31:44linuxstbhaxorjoe: So if you want an alternative firmware, don't buy one...
23:32:00haxorjoeI just wanted to watch videos and experiment with it a bit
23:32:18[Gino]cd_rom, I'm trying to figure out howto go from Filetree view to Database (browsing by id3 tags) view.
23:32:30haxorjoeI got it for Christmas, but I'm not going to sell it just because it's not supported
23:32:40barrywardelllostlogic: try creating the cop_counter thread before audio_preinit(). playback doesn't work any more
23:32:45cd_rom[Gino]: you meant by artist name etc...?
23:32:49haxorjoethough I will cry
23:33:03cd_rom[Gino], first time run rockbox?
23:33:59cd_romokay, general seting->file view->database
23:34:05lostlogicbarrywardell: *frown*
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23:34:31dan_abarrywardell: What happens if you yield in the cop_counter thread? Does playback work again?
23:35:04[Gino]I did that, then what do you choose? Initialize now?
23:35:19cd_romand waiting
23:35:28barrywardelldan_a: i'll try now...
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23:35:47cd_romfrom my experience, i found it easier to switch off and turn it back on
23:35:53[Gino]Okay, Then how do I actually browse it?
23:36:22cd_romyou need to do the "Initialize Now" first for the song to show up
23:37:09ASiDIEI don't have an ipod yet... have an iriver H320.. and love it.. does the rockbox firmware for the ipods give you full access to the whole drive?
23:37:28lostlogicASiDIE: except for the ~80meg firmware partition
23:37:43cd_romthen: General Settings -> File view -> Show Files -> Database.
23:37:54ASiDIEI really don't want to use itunes at all... I just want to copy my songs over.. using windows...
23:38:01linuxstbASiDIE: Yes, an ipod running Rockbox acts the same as the H320 running Rockbox.
23:38:02PaulPositionGino - Once you've initialized and you've wait a few minutes, then you should reboot the device so Rockbox "commits" the database.
23:38:09ASiDIEI also want to create vidoes from all the recorded shows I have and just copy them over.
23:38:18ASiDIEany word on the 5.5 80GB?
23:38:31[Gino]Ahh... That's what I wanted! Thanks cd_rom!
23:38:42cd_rom[Gino], you are welcome!!
23:38:54linuxstbASiDIE: No. People are investigating, but so far no luck.
23:39:43ASiDIElinuxstb.. does it look like there is hope... or... looking to be a no go..
23:40:18linuxstbAnd don't expect video playback in Rockbox to be as good as the Apple firmware on the 5g/5.5g - Rockbox doesn't use the dedicated video decoder chip, only the main CPU.
23:41:03ASiDIEis it because we know little about it... or what?
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23:41:26linuxstbASiDIE: Yes, there's hope for the 80GB. It may require disasssembly of the original firmware though.
23:41:50linuxstbASiDIE: Because we know nothing about it.
23:42:06amiconnlinuxstb: Maybe just implementing ata_hard_reset will fix it...
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23:42:26ASiDIEyea.. I would think someone would be able to go in there.. and just add a couple of features too it... make it act like a portable HD... and remove all the DRM stuff
23:42:31ASiDIEor what ever it's called.
23:42:32amiconn(also requires disassembly and/or measurements, but can be done on any PP5020+ ipod)
23:43:01barrywardelldan_a: adding the yield makes playback work again
23:43:17ASiDIEI just don't want to use itunes... and then have problems of getting my stuff off.. once I put it on
23:44:05ASiDIEI am very happy with my iriver..... even without the rockbox firmware
23:44:20dan_abarrywardell: Excellent! That's working as expected. (I think that's the first thing that has done)
23:44:21ASiDIEit plays videos.. and acts as a HD
23:44:41Fincherysigh. i did a whole entire factory reset and installation. and still no sound on my iaudiox5
23:45:03lostlogicbarrywardell: that sounds somewhat promissing, sorta... how's the performance?
23:45:30barrywardellslightly sluggish. and the counter moves much more slowly
23:45:53linuxstbFinchery: What does Rockbox do when you try and play some music?
23:46:00lostlogicso... confusing... seems like the core that things are running on is semi-random
23:46:15Fincherylinuxstb: everything is normal. just no sound comes out.
23:46:30dan_alostlogic, barrywardell: There is only one yield and one sleep in codec_thread() Is there anything other than those which will switch threads?
23:46:44lostlogicdan_a: yes
23:46:54lostlogicdan_a: each codec yields or sleeps as well
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23:47:33ASiDIEdo you guys think we will ever get to the point where we can play divx files on the ipods?
23:47:46dan_alostlogic: So why do we need to wait for playback to end before the counter thread runs?
23:48:00amiconndan_a, lostlogic, ...: Just a few thoughts
23:48:14lostlogicdan_a: not sure I follow
23:48:32linuxstbASiDIE: Probably not on the 5g. But maybe on the ipods with smaller LCDs.
23:48:57amiconn(1) Heavy decoding + dsp and other effects could still slow down the UI even when correctly running on the cop, in case memory access is the bottleneck
23:49:14ASiDIElinuxstb.. why on smaller ones.. becuase we can only access the main cpu?
23:49:19lostlogicamiconn: mmm
23:49:45dan_alostlogic: You said before that playback didn't work after the first track when you had the cop_counter enabled without a yield in it - suggesting that the cop_counter thread didn't run until after the first track had finished.
23:49:49linuxstbASiDIE: Smaller the LCD, the less data needs to be decoded and displayed. And yes, we only use the main CPU(s).
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23:49:59dan_aamiconn: That makes sense.
23:50:00amiconn(2) It may also be that the thread correctly starts and runs on the cop as long as it doesn't yield, but that the scheduler somehow messes up as soon as it does tsart to yield, and only ever runs one core at a time
23:50:24ASiDiElinuxstb.... is this because we don't know much about the deticated video CPU.... or what? while the stuff is running on both cores in parallel, you still have the performance of a single core only
23:50:41ASiDiEwhy don't we have access to this?
23:50:46lostlogicdan_a: negatory, the counter was running while audio was playing
23:50:57amiconnASiDiE: We know next to nothing about it
23:51:08lostlogicamiconn: 2) sounds like what we're seeing.
23:51:28amiconnI wonder what the thread activity display in the debug screen shows
23:51:42amiconnIt should show 2 threads in running state
23:51:49linuxstbASiDiE: .. and nobody is investigating it. Rockbox runs on many MP3 players, and only one of them (the video ipod) has that video decoder.
23:51:53lostlogicamiconn: it doesn't seme to be realtime enough
23:52:02lostlogicamiconn: I'll keep digging in the scheudling code, I'd just started.
23:52:28ASiDiElinuxstb.. does the iriver H320... only have 1 cpu?... I am going to assume this
23:52:32barrywardellI see three threads in the running state...
23:52:45linuxstbASiDiE: Yes.
23:53:47amiconn(3) It may also be that normal scheduling doesn't mess up, but perhaps sleep() does?
23:54:15amiconnI wonder how sleep works wrt dual-core. Does it sleep only one core, as it should?
23:54:36ASiDiEI might be able to get a 5.5 80GB ipod for around 225.... worth it? I love my h320... and it really does everything I need..
23:54:45amiconnHow is the cop woken again after sleep(), as iiuc the cop doesn't have interrupts enabled?
23:54:50lostlogicamiconn: the sleep code is written only to put the CPU to slepe not the COP
23:55:04lostlogicthat much I saw today
23:55:12dionoeaMerry Xmas!
23:55:20dan_aamiconn: With the cop patch, timer interrupts are enabled
23:55:20amiconndionoea: thx
23:55:30dionoeais the cop being used on the portal player chips in rockbox now ?
23:55:41dan_adionoea: Merry Xmas to you too
23:55:53dan_aWe're still working on the COP
23:55:55LloreanASiDIE: If your H320 already does what you need, why bother getting something new?
23:56:37ASiDiEwell.... it has a larger screen and 80GB instead of 20...... but thats really not a big deal.. .I guess
23:56:39linuxstbASiDIE: Also, if video is important to you, you'll be reliant on the Apple firmware and itunes or a third-party itunes replacement.
23:57:08dionoeaif video is important, buy an archos :)
23:57:28ASiDiEoh really.... dionoea... what one are you looking at?
23:57:33ASiDiEor suggesting
23:57:51dionoeai'm not looking at any since i don't need video :) but they have some really neat ones
23:58:18dionoeaASiDiE: like:
23:58:20lostlogicamiconn: after further reflection on the behavior that we've all reported, I'm pretty sure that your theory of running on the selected core until a reschedule sounds very likely.
23:58:20ASiDiEyea... I want something that can pretty much go in my pocket..
23:58:26lostlogicamiconn: I'll try to look for that
23:58:34dionoeathe only issue is that they're kind of expensive :)

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