00:00:51 | ASiDiE | maybe I will just stick with my iriver.. |
00:01:07 | ASiDiE | play movies... and does just what I want it too |
00:02:34 | lostlogic | ASiDiE: you cna get at least a 30 if not a 40g drive for it for ~200 |
00:03:17 | Llorean | 40gb for $189.99 |
00:04:35 | lostlogic | for the 5mm drive? |
00:04:39 | lostlogic | wow, those have come down. |
00:05:37 | Llorean | Yeah |
00:05:41 | Llorean | http://www.ipodmods.com/shop/microsoft-zune-parts.html |
00:05:47 | Llorean | The MK4009GAL |
00:05:56 | Llorean | It tempts me for my H120 |
00:06:23 | lostlogic | damn, makes me want a h120->40 |
00:08:08 | Llorean | I keep thinking that the drive of the size I want is about the right price, then a new drive shows up and I think "I'll wait for that to come down" |
00:09:38 | lostlogic | hehe, how hard is it to change drives in a ipv, anyone know? |
00:09:43 | lostlogic | I could use 10 more gigs in my 5g |
00:09:58 | * | Llorean doesn't know. |
00:10:11 | * | cd_rom googles for the manual |
00:10:16 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Just buy yourself an 80GB 5.5g... |
00:10:23 | cd_rom | XD |
00:10:34 | lostlogic | not that rich this month |
00:10:35 | Llorean | lostlogic: And then get Rockbox working on it for us. :-P |
00:11:30 | cd_rom | haha |
00:11:34 | * | cd_rom nods |
00:12:55 | dan_a | lostlogic: (going back to the COP subject) I did tests a while ago where I did a logf() if the codec thread was running on the CPU instead of the COP - and it was, at least some of the time. It might be worth trying that instead if the if(CURRENT_CORE == COP) since playback will still work if the thread is on the wrong core. |
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00:14:05 | lostlogic | dan_a: *nod* I'm just trying to find how it would switch cores by code analysis, becaues that's more my style than experiment. |
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00:14:54 | RaverDave | hello! |
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00:16:28 | RaverDave | I was wondering why I cannot see the pluginzxbox, the spectrum emulator, in the list of plugins,or am i meant to?? |
00:18:23 | Llorean | RaverDave: It's a viewer plugin, as it says on the plugin page |
00:19:43 | cd_rom | rockbox source code is written in C? |
00:19:59 | linuxstb | C with a small amount of assembler. |
00:20:24 | cd_rom | jeez |
00:20:46 | cd_rom | i like to work on something but i think i need to learn C first! |
00:21:22 | cd_rom | nite all! |
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00:21:44 | ydo | hmm.. how do I sleep? |
00:22:16 | ydo | on an ipod nano that is |
00:22:32 | dan_a | ydo: Put it under your pillow? |
00:22:36 | linuxstb | You don't sleep, you power-off by holding PLAY/PAUSE for a couple of seconds. |
00:23:45 | ydo | ok.. but bootuptime.. is there any plans on implementing sleep? |
00:24:52 | ydo | 4s bootuptime.. not that much :) |
00:24:59 | bagawk | ydo: nothing for rockbox really has a definate "will do by this date" |
00:25:19 | bagawk | It is really up to the developers leisure, and interest |
00:25:59 | linuxstb | ydo: I think the interest would be in decreasing bootup time even further. |
00:27:10 | * | dan_a wonders whether we can turn on cache earlier now with the new bootloader (for loading Rockbox, at least) to decrease bootup time |
00:27:11 | ydo | oh, of course, I'm really happy I found this project and will rtfs any day now.. but now its time to sleep |
00:27:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think Rockbox from Bootpartition is almost as fast as I could ask for, though I guess Rockbox from Flash *could* be even faster. |
00:28:07 | ydo | is it possible to profile? |
00:28:24 | ydo | or debug? perhaps through remote-gdb? |
00:29:04 | linuxstb | I think the WPS reading is one of the main ways we could speedup boot time. |
00:29:18 | * | Llorean agrees. |
00:29:28 | Llorean | That's actually a good chunk of boot time isn't it? |
00:29:46 | linuxstb | ydo: Yes, there is profiling code in Rockbox. You can use remote-gdb on targets with a serial port... |
00:30:44 | ydo | serial port huh ;) |
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00:31:11 | ydo | well.. ty and bye |
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00:40:46 | RaverDave | sorry yes,so how do i get a spectrum game going please? using the zxbox... |
00:41:27 | Llorean | RaverDave: It's a viewer plugin. Have you read the PluginZXbox wiki page? |
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00:43:07 | RaverDave | i been reading the manual,boy its big!takes some sifting through |
00:43:19 | tehsmo | argh |
00:43:37 | Llorean | RaverDave: You just click on spectrum files |
00:43:38 | tehsmo | note to self: unmount your ipod before unplugging the usb |
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00:44:19 | RaverDave | well,i tried putting a few roms in a folder i had named spectrum in the root of the ipod,but the folder doesnt show |
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00:47:15 | Soap | how many folders/files do you have in root? |
00:47:54 | Soap | are you in filetree mode or Database mode? Are you sure you are in the filetree and not the Menu? |
00:48:25 | linuxstb | And are you sure you created the folder in the root, and not in .rockbox for example? |
00:49:19 | RaverDave | wait..i am loosing my mind,i think i never created it..lol!i must of got drives mixed up,i bet it got saved on the damn digital camera drive |
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00:50:28 | RaverDave | oh boy,thats a shame,sabatuer doesnt work! :( ... is there a list of what spectrum games work? |
00:50:48 | [Gino] | Can I puse a plugin that uses sound (such as Doom or the Metronome) and listen to music at the same time? O |
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00:51:03 | Soap | try it ;) |
00:51:22 | RaverDave | so its the same for gameboy then huh,you just put the roms in a folder and select em,as with spectrum |
00:52:40 | linuxstb | RaverDave: I think it's limited to 48K Spectrum games, but the wiki page _should_ say. |
00:53:10 | RaverDave | yes,i think i just realised i got the 128k version of sabateur |
00:54:41 | hotwire_ | I don't suppose anyone here can post on the main rockbox.org front page the news re gigabeat sound? |
00:55:03 | tehsmo | yay, dosfsck seemed to work well |
00:56:36 | spug | the norwegian language file isn't up to date with the cvs, i can just change it, right? |
00:56:56 | spug | cvs says it's 4 weeks old, so unless that's just a "4 weeks or more", i guess someone is updating it regularly |
00:56:57 | Llorean | hotwire_: Is Gigabeat sound in CVS yet? |
00:57:26 | hotwire_ | Llorean: nope. Still in fork status. |
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00:57:42 | Aghaster | Hi |
00:57:43 | Llorean | hotwire_: Then wouldn't it be odd to announce it on the official page, if it's not in the official repository? |
00:57:45 | hotwire_ | but if that's the requirement, good to know. |
00:57:57 | Aghaster | A quick question, is video playback now supported in rockbox? |
00:57:59 | * | linuxstb is still waiting for the traditional "Gentlemen,..." email |
00:58:00 | Llorean | I don't know if there's a requirement |
00:58:04 | Llorean | It just seems odd for me. |
00:58:12 | Llorean | A Gentleman, ... email is also customary, yes |
00:58:29 | linuxstb | Aghaster: Yes, _video_ playback has been in Rockbox for a while.. |
00:58:40 | Aghaster | in which formats? |
00:58:41 | hotwire_ | Makes sense. There are some rockbox builds for the gigabeat floating around that readers of the gigabeat irc channel have been playing with. |
00:58:53 | Aghaster | what, not playback on an iPod video. playing videos. |
00:58:56 | Aghaster | just to make sure |
00:58:57 | linuxstb | MPEG-1, and MPEG-2 video elementary streams. |
00:59:03 | Aghaster | ok |
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01:01:25 | hotwire_ | linuxstb: what email is this? |
01:01:48 | RaverDave | right,i got the game loaded,but hell i cannot get to play it,must have to setup the controller somehow |
01:03:22 | linuxstb | hotwire_: It's a tradition started here: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-05/0016.shtml and continued by everyone who has got sound working on a new target |
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01:06:11 | * | linuxstb notices the first email to the Rockbox mailing list was in December 2001 and guesses we missed Rockbox's fifth birthday... |
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01:08:20 | lostlogic | blagh, I don't see any place where a thread clearly gets put on a list that belongs to the other core, but it must be in there. |
01:08:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: You're not the first one to notice... |
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01:09:20 | * | amiconn noticed that on Dec 17, when we missed rockbox' 5th anniversary by 10 days |
01:12:11 | bagawk | 5 years... wow |
01:13:59 | lostlogic | have we started planning devcon 2007 yet, speaking of years :-P |
01:14:53 | bagawk | I remember using the led blinker on my player |
01:15:06 | Soap | yea devcon 2007 has been booked. |
01:15:16 | Soap | will be in Columbus Ohio, since I can't travel. |
01:15:25 | Soap | I'll provide lodging and baked goods. |
01:15:42 | Soap | I don't dev either, but I can watch,. |
01:15:47 | lostlogic | laugh |
01:15:49 | Soap | and bake cakes. |
01:16:02 | lostlogic | maybe this year we should do a US and EU devcon, video-linked |
01:16:14 | Soap | a video of a pie isn't as sweet |
01:17:11 | * | dan_a wonders if we could hold devcon in Austin, Texas. At around the same time as SXSW... |
01:17:19 | lostlogic | SXSW? |
01:17:54 | dan_a | South By Southwest. It's a band showcase, with several hundred gigs over a week or two. |
01:18:34 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Don't forget our Australian colleagues... |
01:18:52 | lostlogic | well what about the asians then? |
01:18:57 | lostlogic | and southamericans |
01:19:00 | linuxstb | Are there any? |
01:19:04 | lostlogic | beats me |
01:19:18 | lostlogic | who's from AUS/NZ? |
01:19:21 | linuxstb | We should have map... |
01:19:35 | amiconn | lostlogic: JdGordon at least |
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01:20:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/ |
01:20:19 | bagawk | have a US devcon in Oregon, after all Linus Torvalds and Greg KH themselves live here :) |
01:20:25 | lostlogic | oh, yeah, we can't forget him, he's one of my heros. |
01:20:49 | lostlogic | bagawk: but... we're not linux... |
01:21:20 | bagawk | lostlogic: well, open source |
01:21:25 | lostlogic | :) |
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01:21:53 | amiconn | rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?onlydevs=yes#maptop">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php?onlydevs=yes#maptop |
01:22:11 | Aghaster | I wonder if many people use my Esperanto translation of rockbox. |
01:22:34 | lostlogic | vast majority still in EU, guess we'll just hafta get our travelin' shoes on. |
01:23:27 | linuxstb | Quick Rockbox question, to increase the main stack (for Coldfire and ARM), do I just change the 0x2000 in line 175 of app.lds? |
01:24:16 | amiconn | Yes, but take care of iram size |
01:25:02 | linuxstb | I just noticed that.... |
01:25:18 | amiconn | 8KB stack is quite large imho |
01:25:43 | amiconn | Most ohread's stacks are smaller |
01:25:58 | Aghaster | are the new iPod nanos supported yet? |
01:25:58 | amiconn | Most other thread's |
01:26:20 | * | amiconn blames the Ins key |
01:26:26 | spug | hmm, is LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK in english.lang supposed to be deprecated? both the desc and source are empty |
01:26:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm trying to run the old mpa2wav plugin, and I'm getting crashes on my ipod, and stkov on the h140. So I'm wondering if it's really a stack overflow, or something else going wrong. |
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01:28:04 | linuxstb | Aghaster: No, the new Nano is about as far as the Zune is from being supported. (a long, long way). |
01:29:50 | dan_a | linuxstb: The Zune is based on the i.MX31, for which there is a 2000 page reference manual on the Freescale website. Once we get past firmware encryption, the Zune should be easier than the new Nano! |
01:30:35 | linuxstb | OK, so the Nano is even further away than the Zune... |
01:31:39 | newt` | cool |
01:31:45 | newt` | I'm tempted to buy a zune to play |
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01:32:27 | linuxstb | dan_a: Do you know if the Gigabeat S has the same encryption? |
01:32:32 | muesli- | newt` what makes u that foolish? |
01:32:46 | linuxstb | The same reason he bought the 80GB 5.5g... |
01:32:55 | newt` | I got the 80gb 5.5 for free |
01:33:07 | muesli- | santa? |
01:33:09 | linuxstb | But you're paying for it now... |
01:33:14 | dan_a | linuxstb: I don't know for sure. I think I've read that it has. |
01:33:59 | newt` | muesli-, no I got it from work |
01:35:04 | muesli- | i wouldnt buy any ms crap |
01:35:45 | muesli- | maybe the 4th or 5th gen would make sense |
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01:36:56 | muesli- | but i admit its quite hard to choose for a player right now |
01:37:01 | x1jmp | do iPods have USB OTG? |
01:37:13 | linuxstb | In theory. |
01:37:40 | lostlogic | dan_a: I'm testin' to see if the CURRENT_CORE macro ever reports weird during execution of the cop_counter by having cop_counter be an array type thingus. |
01:37:45 | linuxstb | I believe the hardware is there, but the Apple firmware doesn't support it, apart from a limited camera connectivity. |
01:37:50 | x1jmp | and in practical? via accesoires? |
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01:41:21 | dan_a | lostlogic: That sounds like it should help. I'm tempted to do some tests from before Slasheri's priority scheduling update and see how things work |
01:41:36 | lostlogic | dan_a: I run w/o priority scheduling any way |
01:41:49 | lostlogic | (had to make 2 commits today to make it run that way ;)) |
01:42:16 | * | linuxstb also tried compiling an ipod build without priority scheduling yesterday... |
01:42:29 | * | linuxstb cheated and disabled recording. |
01:43:01 | lostlogic | shoot, I forgot to increment the line to print, so can't see what I'm printing. |
01:43:31 | dan_a | lostlogic: There were other changes to support the infrastructure for priority scheduling, such as having the threads in linked lists. |
01:43:56 | lostlogic | dan_a: ahh, good point. |
01:44:14 | lostlogic | I hadn't really looked at the threads in detail before the commit, forgot they didn't used to be LLs |
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01:46:42 | jba | hey gang is there any reason why it's got to be file browser mode or database? why can't we have database view as another menu item? |
01:46:51 | lostlogic | well the counter only counts on the COP part of my counting array, so that's a good sign, I think... now I add a yield. |
01:46:54 | linuxstb | OK, libmad now seems to use too much stack to run in a plugin... Increasing the stack size (and moving the stack out of IRAM) fixed my crashes. |
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01:46:56 | jba | i need browser mode to watch vids/pictures but need database mode to play music |
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01:48:05 | * | dan_a tries to work out which plugin would need libmad... |
01:48:20 | dan_a | MpegPlayer? |
01:48:41 | linuxstb | Yes. |
01:49:03 | linuxstb | It's going to be a fight for IRAM. |
01:49:09 | dan_a | :D That will make a lot of people happy! |
01:49:45 | dan_a | Don't several of the PP targets have more IRAM than we actually use at the moment? |
01:50:00 | linuxstb | Yes, the Nano, 5g and 2nd Gen Mini have 128KB. |
01:50:16 | linuxstb | (PP5021/PP5022) |
01:50:50 | linuxstb | But my own main target for mpegplayer is the Photo. |
01:51:25 | lostlogic | even with a yield, it still only counts on the cop, now, sleep... |
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01:53:29 | Red | Hey all, quick question: I have an H10, and playback is intermittent. Cuts out for a second every 30 or so. I think it may be the cpu not being able to keep up, is there a low-resource wps I could use that would help? Or any other ideas? |
01:53:57 | barrywardell | Red: try a wps without peakmeters. iCatcher is a good example |
01:54:04 | lostlogic | eq, peakmeter, dsp all make slow |
01:54:44 | Red | I'm using engineer2, all it has is scrolling text, still having problems |
01:55:25 | linuxstb | What kind of files are you playing? |
01:55:33 | barrywardell | have you got the equalizer turned off? |
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01:55:55 | Red | mp3, 128k, most are constant |
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01:56:04 | lostlogic | with a sleep(1) in the cop_counter, it stops counting after one loop (ie on the first sleep) |
01:56:28 | lostlogic | and now I must go to Christmas dinner... but audio still works with the counter frozen'd |
01:56:29 | Red | i'll try turning off eq, see if that helps |
01:57:02 | RaverDave | xmas dinner @ this time..you must be in america or something |
01:57:12 | dan_a | lostlogic: Enjoy your dinner. Grep the sources for COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP in either kernel.c or thread.c when you get back, and comment it out. |
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01:57:44 | linuxstb | BTW, is mpegplayer working on the Sansa? |
01:58:34 | dan_a | linuxstb: Not in CVS. I need to implement an lcd_yuv_blit() |
01:58:45 | dan_a | But with a nasty hack it can work. |
01:59:10 | linuxstb | You mean using the SIM code? |
01:59:43 | dan_a | Yes - works like a charm |
01:59:49 | linuxstb | At what speed? |
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02:00:02 | RaverDave | can i just ask, the spectrum emulator seems fine with 2 frameskip,but of course it has no sound,the gameboy emulator is slow as hell but has sound, so if the spectrum emulator had sound it would also be slow as hell right?? |
02:00:19 | Red | I think I'm good to go, thanks a ton guys |
02:01:16 | dan_a | linuxstb: I don't know - how would I find out? test_fps() won't work until I find a way to block lcd_update from returning until the update is complete. |
02:01:49 | linuxstb | mpegplayer has an option to display the fps. |
02:02:05 | linuxstb | (although with full-screen video it just flashes onscreen....) |
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02:04:17 | dan_a | linuxstb: Just building/testing now. |
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02:22:42 | Soap | linuxstb: ? |
02:23:01 | linuxstb | ? |
02:23:22 | Soap | linuxstb, would it be possible (easy) to add an error message to ipodpatcher that tells the exact error when it encounters an HFS+ drive? |
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02:24:28 | linuxstb | It would mean detecting an Apple Partition Map. |
02:24:51 | Soap | that's cool then |
02:25:45 | Soap | two people (who I /thought/ could read) failed to ensure their HFS+ ipods were FAT16 before trying today, and ipodpatcher just didn't do anything. |
02:27:51 | linuxstb | I would quite like to implement it sometime, as well as the option to convert from HFS+ to FAT32. But it's not a high priority. |
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02:50:13 | dan_a | linuxstb: Elephant's Dream at 176x128 plays at about 30fps |
02:51:00 | linuxstb | I think that's similar to the ipods, maybe a little faster. |
02:52:58 | linuxstb | Anyone know how to fix linker messages like "undefined reference to `__umodsi3'" ? (in a plugin) |
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03:01:15 | Kingsqueak | any suggestion for a frozen iPod , to get it unstuck, iPod video g5, frozen solid with backlight on, doesn't seem to respond to anything and isn't visible to linux at this point either |
03:01:37 | JdGordon | hold menu+select for abou 10s |
03:01:55 | Kingsqueak | that got it, thanks man |
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03:14:41 | metateck | what possibilities are there that my ipod will be completely destroyed when i try to install rockbox? |
03:14:56 | metateck | it looks like if the firmware got messed up i could just restore it from itunes |
03:15:01 | metateck | but what about the bootloader? |
03:17:44 | RaverDave | i have just installed it,its ace man.. |
03:17:57 | metateck | i know i really want to |
03:18:09 | metateck | but is it possible to restore the boot loader if that some how crashed? |
03:18:14 | RaverDave | yes!you really do!!i am playing doom on the ipod atm |
03:18:50 | metateck | but that doesnt answer my question |
03:19:12 | linuxstb | metateck: The bootloader is just stored on the hard disk, so an itunes restore will wipe it. |
03:19:21 | RaverDave | i think you can?! wait for someone else to answer,i am as new as you,and to be hinest,i wouldnt want that itunes crap back..ever |
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03:19:31 | metateck | the bootloader is stored not on the harddisk |
03:19:46 | RaverDave | hinest==honest |
03:20:02 | linuxstb | metateck: The Rockbox bootloader is. |
03:20:03 | linuxstb | (on the ipods) |
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03:20:16 | metateck | oh |
03:20:28 | metateck | i thought it replaced the ipod bootloader on the cf card? |
03:20:55 | metateck | oh i guess it could just replace firmware |
03:21:00 | metateck | instead of the bootloader |
03:21:02 | metateck | ok im convinced |
03:21:04 | metateck | installing |
03:21:11 | metateck | thanks for talking me into it linuxstb |
03:21:38 | RaverDave | :( |
03:21:48 | linuxstb | There is an Apple bootloader in flash, which normally loads the Apple firmware from disk. The Rockbox bootloader attaches itself to the Apple firmware on disk, so the Apple bootloader runs it. |
03:21:55 | metateck | okk coo |
03:22:24 | metateck | RaverDave, i was already convinced it was cool, just worreid about problems with it. i couldnt install it without my question being answered |
03:23:06 | RaverDave | yeh ok,i wasnt as caution..whateva as you,but then again i couldnt have given a toss if itunes were wiped off the planet |
03:23:34 | RaverDave | never mind from my ipod |
03:23:39 | metateck | i was worried about destroying my ipod on the first day |
03:23:43 | metateck | not itunes |
03:23:45 | metateck | i hate itunes |
03:23:48 | RaverDave | oh..ok..hehe |
03:24:09 | RaverDave | its understandable i guess,i have had mine a while now i think |
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03:27:03 | RaverDave | just let me know if you need more help anyhow.i have just installed stuff and that so my brain is frsh atm, i have got spectrum games running for instance |
03:27:21 | RaverDave | fresh* |
03:27:31 | RaverDave | but dont tell the zombies |
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03:39:21 | metateck | so now that rockbox is installed, is the old ipod firmware gone, or can i still boot to it? |
03:39:45 | linuxstb | Turn the hold switch on as you reboot to start the Apple firmware. |
03:40:55 | metateck | turn it on at the POST? |
03:41:40 | Soap | yes |
03:41:48 | metateck | it still loads rockboc |
03:42:05 | Soap | then you toggled the hold switch on too late. |
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03:42:39 | metateck | ahh i see |
03:42:45 | metateck | cool |
03:42:48 | metateck | im so satisfied. |
03:43:14 | RaverDave | its great innit..i felt pretty good also |
03:43:35 | metateck | how do i go back to rockbox now? same thing? |
03:43:52 | RaverDave | and i dunno everything yet,i just woke up this morning wanting to install linux on the ipod then came across this amazing thing |
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03:44:10 | RaverDave | i presume start with the lock switch off |
03:44:19 | metateck | you have to |
03:44:59 | RaverDave | do you know how to reset the ipod yet? you have an ipod video right? |
03:45:12 | RaverDave | or 5th gen as they are called |
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03:45:20 | metateck | yeah |
03:45:23 | metateck | im just reading the manual |
03:45:28 | metateck | i should have done that before bugging you guys |
03:45:37 | metateck | hold select and menu to reboot into rockbox |
03:45:45 | RaverDave | just hold menu and the middle button down together for 5 secs or so |
03:46:38 | RaverDave | its ok..i never read anything also,i bugged these lot earlier |
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03:47:43 | RaverDave | right,i am off to be..good luck with it all metateck! you should enjoy it |
03:47:45 | metateck | thanks |
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03:47:49 | metateck | bye RaverDave. |
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03:51:07 | metateck | apple did the scrolling better, i miss the accerlating scrolling |
03:52:59 | linuxstb | That just isn't implemented yet in Rockbox. |
03:54:07 | metateck | ok good. |
03:58:17 | Kingsqueak | anyone that worked on this, thanks! somehow I never saw this project until tonight and it 'fixes' many things I didn't like about the stock iPod |
03:58:35 | metateck | such as? |
03:58:38 | metateck | im just curious |
03:58:46 | Kingsqueak | parametric EQ is a major one for me |
03:58:46 | metateck | i installed it 10 minutes ago |
03:59:04 | Kingsqueak | it actually works well and the frequencies are pretty accurate as well as the 'Q' widths |
03:59:43 | Kingsqueak | getting rid of the insane iPod folder hierarchy was another major bonus, I only use linux, don't even have a Win machine so dealing with that is a pain |
03:59:57 | metateck | that would bug me |
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04:00:01 | Kingsqueak | I'd rather just copy files over |
04:00:13 | metateck | yeah i hate itunes |
04:00:49 | Kingsqueak | I was using gtkpod, but I'm just not a fan of being bound into a GUI |
04:01:06 | metateck | i want a gui |
04:01:20 | metateck | im browsing wps files now |
04:01:26 | metateck | i wouldnt mind if i had a keyboard |
04:01:54 | Kingsqueak | oh a GUI on the iPod itself, yeah that's o.k. just didn't like having to use gtkPod....though it worked well |
04:02:06 | metateck | oh |
04:03:20 | Kingsqueak | the stock iPod EQ settings were so horrible, this is really great |
04:03:34 | metateck | i havent listened to music yet with it |
04:03:40 | metateck | i actually dont even know how yet |
04:03:51 | Kingsqueak | I was a sound engineer for years, so being able to just poke out the frequencies I already know I want adjusted is fantastic |
04:04:36 | Kingsqueak | anyone know, does the EQ in rockbox affect line-out feed as well as the headphone out? |
04:04:48 | metateck | isnt that the same? |
04:05:14 | Kingsqueak | I *think* that's a hardware restriction in the iPod, as far as the signal path |
04:05:25 | Kingsqueak | no, line-out is what you get via the dock connector |
04:05:38 | Kingsqueak | it's a fixed gain level output, doesn't go through the headphone amp circuit |
04:05:40 | metateck | oh i didnt think about those |
04:05:47 | metateck | the only thing i dock to is my computer |
04:06:11 | Kingsqueak | I'll be using this with a headphone amp and have dock connectors coming to make my own line-out cables for that |
04:06:14 | Cazov | well...this is inconvenient |
04:06:18 | Kingsqueak | it's also handy for car use |
04:07:59 | metateck | does this still play video? |
04:08:20 | Kingsqueak | I don't believe so, I never use that anyway |
04:08:33 | metateck | i do for diggnation podcasts |
04:09:20 | Soap | plays only mpeg 1 and 2 elemental video streams. |
04:09:26 | Soap | no sound yet. |
04:09:30 | metateck | ok |
04:09:47 | metateck | i guess i can still just use the appleware for that |
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04:16:40 | Soap | Rockbox is all about the pure audio. |
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04:39:08 | ChRiIiS | hey all juz quick question will rock box play .avi files or divx files ? |
04:40:37 | ChRiIiS | ?? |
04:41:09 | Soap | not at this time. |
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04:41:55 | ChRiIiS | is there sumthen or differnt program like rock box that will play them bc im bored of the same old skins on my iriver |
04:43:43 | ChRiIiS | im guessing ure not allowed to link me or tell me but can u change the skins with out rock box installed ? |
04:43:56 | Soap | "not allowed"? |
04:44:27 | Soap | Mysticriver would be the place to ask about that. |
04:44:35 | ChRiIiS | k thanx for that |
04:44:44 | Soap | this is not exactly a room full of original firmware lovers. |
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04:45:53 | Cazov | oh, I love the original firmware on my iaudio. It was so stable, no random crashes at all. |
04:46:42 | ChRiIiS | lol tru tru |
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04:55:30 | Cazov | hmm |
04:55:42 | Cazov | looks like the LCD screen on the M5 IS a varitronix one |
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05:10:10 | nickv111 | Hey. Is the Nano 2nd generation ever going to work? |
05:13:49 | JdGordon | eventually.. hopefully |
05:14:30 | nickv111 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.msg50598 |
05:14:41 | nickv111 | I don't own one, but I have a friend whom I'm trying to convince to use Rockbox |
05:14:48 | nickv111 | But he has an iPod Nano 2G |
05:15:10 | scorche | it will be a while |
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05:20:11 | doopy | how long is it gonna be until 2nd gen ipods are supported by rockbox or ipodlinux? |
05:20:48 | scorche | no way to tell |
05:20:55 | scorche | and i cant answer for ipl |
05:21:25 | scorche | i can tell you that it wont happen if things keep going as they are with no one stepping up that wants to make a port happen |
05:21:44 | doopy | oh |
05:22:11 | doopy | I do, but im not as good with C as probably is required |
05:22:24 | scorche | then get to learning! ;) |
05:23:26 | * | doopy looks online at his local library for a book on C |
05:23:51 | scorche | i recommend *the* C book, but it might be a little heady for beginners |
05:24:10 | scorche | at least, that is the one i hear being recommended each time..heh |
05:24:12 | Cazov | A Book on C is decent |
05:24:22 | Cazov | it is pretty dry though |
05:24:39 | doopy | well I can do C and C++ fairly well but I still don't understand the more advanced concepts |
05:24:47 | Cazov | ah |
05:25:09 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_%28book%29 |
05:26:42 | doopy | haha all the links at the bottom are broken |
05:26:48 | doopy | but I can fix that... |
05:33:28 | PaulPosition | Cazov - A book on C ?!? |
05:33:30 | PaulPosition | :o |
05:34:22 | Cazov | eh, I like it :p |
05:34:45 | Cazov | though I've found different people have very very different views on which books they like for learning C |
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05:37:29 | PaulPosition | Cazov - Isn't it a bit, like, outdated? I haven't dabbed a lot with C, but I never, ever saw code where function parameters where defined outside of the function declaration and it's definition.. (I mean, like 'function fooBar() intx; {//do something} ) |
05:38:24 | Cazov | hmm...that version sounds more outdated than the one I have |
05:38:33 | Cazov | though I do admit that there are portions that are pretty dated |
05:38:46 | PaulPosition | Cazov - But yeah, the structure of the book is quite good, mybe I just have a waaaay old copy. (well I actually do, so. :p ) |
05:39:14 | Cazov | I believe they have an up to date copy but I'm too cheap to pick it up; the one my mom used in college is good enough hehe |
05:40:38 | PaulPosition | Wish I didn't just 'understand' that stuff.. Seems I can read through 50 lines of code, but over that and I get lost. Way too distracted, I have real serious attention deficit problems. |
05:40:51 | Cazov | yeah |
05:41:17 | PaulPosition | Cazov - You trying to tell me the one I have from college is older than your mom's ?? lol |
05:41:25 | Cazov | it's possible, I'll check |
05:41:45 | PaulPosition | 1984 |
05:41:47 | Cazov | mine was published in 1984 |
05:41:52 | Cazov | hah |
05:41:52 | PaulPosition | heh |
05:42:24 | Cazov | weird...I ended up with an extra screw |
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05:43:27 | PaulPosition | There's nothing weird there, extra screw appearing from nowhere is expected behaviour with any technology. |
05:43:32 | PaulPosition | :) |
05:43:37 | Cazov | I suppose |
05:43:45 | Cazov | I'll take it with me next time I dismantle this thing |
05:44:07 | Cazov | which may be tomorrow...if the soldering iron is still up there in the lab |
05:44:16 | Cazov | then I can take some scans of the PC board too |
05:44:32 | PaulPosition | Hehe, cool. What device are you taking apart? |
05:44:38 | Cazov | damned LCD screen has some contacts soldered to part of the main board |
05:44:43 | Cazov | iAudio m5 |
05:45:13 | Cazov | I want to play mp4 files on it...so I am contributing what I can to this project :) |
05:46:09 | PaulPosition | Cool. Good luck with it. |
05:46:17 | Cazov | yeah |
05:47:12 | Cazov | as long as I can manage not to break things I think I'll be fine :) |
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07:40:41 | tychver | soap:I'm interested well then you can tell me |
07:40:53 | tychver | whoa |
07:41:04 | tychver | man, I've had a few too many stellas |
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07:42:06 | lostlogic | hmmmm, disappointing. I think I'm finally realizing some minimal performance gains by using the COP on ipod, but as amiconn suggested, the main problem might be memory performance giving us not as impressive as we'd hoped gains. |
07:42:09 | xxabsentxx | Anyone awake? |
07:43:25 | lostlogic | sleep hacking here. |
07:43:35 | xxabsentxx | Bling. |
07:44:32 | tychver | lostlogic: throughput or latency? |
07:46:36 | lostlogic | tychver: intuititively throughput |
07:46:43 | lostlogic | but I'm no memory controller expert |
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07:50:42 | xxabsentxx | Question, if nobodys busy, on the rockbox.org manuals section... the ipod mini 2nd gen is a 2nd gen nano, right? |
07:50:58 | TheCollector | no |
07:51:04 | tychver | it's a little early to draw conclusions but that could mean that we will struggle with playing 320x240 mpeg2 with sound |
07:51:07 | TheCollector | the mini was a line before the nano |
07:51:16 | xxabsentxx | I hadn't seen the mini so I wasn't sure. |
07:51:40 | xxabsentxx | I hate to sound like a noob, but I am with iPods. |
07:51:52 | TheCollector | xxabsentxx: it;s ok |
07:52:02 | xxabsentxx | I'm the tard who got one for christmas. ;) |
07:52:18 | * | JdGordon_ is playing the find-a-decent-linux-distro game again :'( |
07:52:28 | TheCollector | JdGordon_: Slack ;) |
07:52:32 | JdGordon_ | xxabsentxx: if you don want it ill have it.... |
07:52:32 | lostlogic | JdGordon_: gentoo, still works for me :) |
07:52:48 | tychver | gentoo :) |
07:52:51 | JdGordon_ | tried gentoo once, 20 hhuor compile didnt really do it for me :p |
07:52:53 | xxabsentxx | I'm new to iPods, but not to stuff like this... Trying to bone up on what I can do with it. |
07:53:22 | tychver | well there are binary packages for it now |
07:53:26 | tychver | I use the KDE binaries |
07:53:35 | tychver | takes far too long to compile for my liking |
07:54:06 | TheCollector | JdGordon_: what are you running now? |
07:54:48 | JdGordon_ | TheCollector: kubuntu 6.10 untill an hour ago, formatted coz it annoyed me, debian etch now |
07:54:52 | lostlogic | JdGordon_: I think for people who are accustomed to spending some time each week doing sysadmin tasks Gentoo makes a lot of cents, if you want a plug and forget about it distro it's not for you though. |
07:55:23 | JdGordon_ | i'd stay with etch, but its not quite ready yet |
07:55:28 | tychver | yeah that's true, usually it's painless, but updates to large packages can take a couple of hours to fix |
07:55:41 | TheCollector | JdGordon_: ah - I ran debian for about a year and a half until apt just made me mad |
07:56:07 | tychver | and you moved to slack? |
07:56:16 | TheCollector | yes |
07:56:35 | TheCollector | I got tired of apt's dependency mgmt. |
07:58:12 | tychver | so you moved to a distro without any dependancy management? |
07:58:20 | TheCollector | yes |
07:58:23 | tychver | *dependency |
07:58:38 | TheCollector | at least this way I cause the frustrations ;) |
07:58:56 | TheCollector | I think Slack with OpenBSD's package management is what I'd really like to see |
07:59:43 | tychver | that's pretty much gentoo :S |
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08:01:28 | TheCollector | nah, BSD allows for binary packages, iirc |
08:01:33 | scorche | there is swaret too |
08:01:49 | Cazov | gentoo has binary packages |
08:01:59 | tychver | Cazov beat me to it |
08:02:11 | TheCollector | really |
08:02:11 | TheCollector | hmm |
08:02:13 | Cazov | well, more specifically portage& |
08:02:19 | tychver | also, I used to use openBSD on my server before I moved to gentoo |
08:02:24 | Cazov | for all its bloat, portage is a pretty nice package manager |
08:03:07 | tychver | features wise portage is the nicest CLI package manager, it's just slow as a drunk sloth |
08:03:11 | Cazov | yeah |
08:03:37 | TheCollector | I fiddled with gentoo once, but the install was just way too much of a pain |
08:03:41 | tychver | also gentoo now has a basic gui installer |
08:03:46 | TheCollector | huh |
08:04:06 | Cazov | yeah, the install can be a pain the first few times |
08:04:45 | tychver | I've only used the GUI gentoo installer once but it pretty much dumps a stage 3 install and a generic kernel on there for you |
08:04:50 | tychver | the rest is up to you |
08:05:03 | Cazov | that's convenient |
08:05:10 | tychver | very |
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08:07:27 | tychver | gentoo's current problem is that it lacks the manpower to test all packages and sometimes relatively stable things take a while to filter down in the "stable" list |
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08:16:53 | Cazov | that certainly is true |
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10:08:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: __umodsi3 is part of libgcc (unsigned modulo operation); I wonder how the linker can be unable to resolve that... |
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10:10:06 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon |
10:10:13 | JdGordon | hey |
10:10:13 | JdGordon | sup? |
10:10:19 | daurnimator | not much |
10:10:22 | daurnimator | home from work |
10:10:34 | JdGordon | speaking of which.... |
10:10:37 | JdGordon | me needs a job :p |
10:10:43 | daurnimator | heh |
10:10:58 | daurnimator | what are you studying? |
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10:11:07 | scorche | JdGordon: you arent alone... |
10:11:10 | JdGordon | soft eng |
10:11:59 | daurnimator | heh |
10:12:20 | daurnimator | i'm sure you can find some job |
10:12:27 | daurnimator | you want part-time or cas? |
10:13:00 | JdGordon | i dont _want_ any... :p |
10:13:03 | * | JdGordon likes being a bum |
10:13:45 | daurnimator | if you want to be a bum |
10:13:49 | daurnimator | scalp on ebay |
10:13:59 | | Part RedZZR |
10:14:09 | daurnimator | can make ALOT of money |
10:14:55 | daurnimator | i've got friends that buy 2 tickets, keep one for themselves, and sell the other to pay for their's + beer money |
10:15:04 | JdGordon | need to have money to start that tho |
10:15:20 | Cazov | being a bum is quite the noble profession... |
10:15:41 | daurnimator | JdGordon: yeah - but. it pays for itself after that |
10:15:55 | daurnimator | the big one to look out for is falls festival |
10:16:02 | daurnimator | buy for $90 in april |
10:16:03 | JdGordon | anyway... back to rockbox talk.... |
10:16:11 | daurnimator | sell for $400 each in september |
10:16:12 | JdGordon | any objection to fs 646 from anyone? |
10:17:15 | JdGordon | fs 6464 sorry |
10:17:27 | Cazov | what kind of fancy filesystem (?) is that? |
10:17:43 | JdGordon | ? |
10:17:59 | Cazov | yeah I don't know, I'm on vicodin, don't listen to me :p |
10:18:40 | Cazov | in fact...I am going to sleep now, 'night :) |
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11:17:28 | swartz | For the iPod, do I have to keep Apple's firmware? |
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11:24:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: i fixed that problem by changing the order of the libraries in the linker command. Putting -lgcc last fixed it (previously, -lmad was last). I don't understand though... |
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11:33:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you rekon it would be ok to commit fs 6464? (replace the current playlist with a new folder/file/etc?) |
11:33:43 | JdGordon | .. or anyone else even |
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11:54:14 | linuxstb | dan_a: Should the create_thread_on_core() be working in current CVS (if I increase NUM_CORES to 2) ? |
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11:55:29 | daurnimator | JdGordon: just give me some old thing that can run rockbox :P |
11:55:40 | JdGordon | ? |
11:55:45 | dan_a | linuxstb: I think so - I'll just check through Barry's last patch and see that there was nothing else that needed to be added |
11:56:04 | JdGordon | daurnimator: shhuoldnt you be proting it to the archos you have? |
11:56:12 | daurnimator | heh |
11:56:14 | daurnimator | yeah |
11:56:20 | daurnimator | but... i just don't want to anymore |
11:56:33 | daurnimator | i have everything i want on it now cept wavpack & ogg |
11:56:50 | daurnimator | if i use rockbox, i won't be ablt to use the awesome stuff i already have |
11:56:51 | linuxstb | Which Archos do you have? |
11:57:01 | daurnimator | gmini 402 is my day-to-day player |
11:57:35 | linuxstb | Does archopen run on that? |
11:58:11 | * | linuxstb found it impossible to find information on the archopen site |
11:58:13 | daurnimator | yes |
11:58:23 | daurnimator | i can direct you around if you want |
11:58:28 | daurnimator | or maybe just answer your Qs |
11:58:34 | dan_a | linuxstb: No, it isn't - we haven't got a kernel running on the COP in CVS yet. |
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11:59:06 | linuxstb | I was simply trying to find out a) Exactly what medios is - i.e. is it a complete firmware replacement like Rockbox, or does it use parts of the existing OS; and b) What devices it works on, and how well each one is supported. |
11:59:41 | JdGordon | and pendig those answers.. ill swap my h320 for it if you want :D |
11:59:57 | daurnimator | 1, depends on device, previously yes, but on newer devices, no one has bothered with a bootloader, and people have used the original firmware as a launcher |
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12:01:12 | linuxstb | But when medios is running, does it then replace the existing firmware. i.e. does medios contain drivers for all the hardware itself? |
12:01:41 | daurnimator | yes, it does |
12:02:40 | linuxstb | I also saw a link to a firmware downgrader for the 402 - does that mean you have to run an older version of the Archos firmware in order to use medios? |
12:02:43 | daurnimator | 2, Archos: JBMM, AV1XX, AV3XX, Gmini 400, Gmini 402, Gmini 402CC, AV400 |
12:03:30 | daurnimator | Yes, the most stable exploit works best on firmware 1.3.11. We can run it on other firmwares, but it sometimes crashes for no reason during medios boot. |
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12:06:00 | linuxstb | daurnimator: OK, thanks. |
12:06:18 | daurnimator | JdGordon: temp swap would be fun' |
12:06:42 | daurnimator | linuxstb: you planning on doing anything with their code? |
12:06:56 | daurnimator | they DO have code in there for dm320 stuff ;) |
12:07:46 | linuxstb | I'm thinking about maybe possibly considering a 402 port. A dm320 port would open up a lot more targets to Rockbox. |
12:08:56 | linuxstb | Apart from medios, we will also have whatever code Neuros can/will open. |
12:10:12 | daurnimator | heh, i can also help with that |
12:10:21 | daurnimator | everything is out there that they legally can |
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12:15:10 | dan_a | linuxstb: Now that Llorean has done a battery test, I don't see anything holding us back from putting kernel-on-cop in CVS. Do you? |
12:15:57 | linuxstb | No, I say commit. |
12:16:06 | * | Llorean agrees. |
12:16:32 | linuxstb | Mainly because there's lots of us currently working on it. |
12:16:32 | daurnimator | linuxstb: have you looked at their src? |
12:16:46 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Only very briefly. |
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12:17:38 | daurnimator | if you want to have a go at something basic, gligli's site has basic code that runs (not medios - just little apps) |
12:18:19 | clownish | hi. i have an gerneral question about the iriver h10 with rockbox... can i load it while playing or will this cause problems? |
12:18:54 | scorche | load what while playing? |
12:19:16 | linuxstb | daurnimator: I think I remember that site. Do you have a link? |
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12:20:08 | clownish | scorche: the battery:/ |
12:20:37 | daurnimator | linuxstb: grab this: http://sfx.gligli.free.fr/gmini/402/402_1311_exploit_sourcecode_v2.zip |
12:20:43 | scorche | doesnt the device run off the battery? |
12:21:09 | daurnimator | its a little toolchain thingy for making apps that just run on the arm side |
12:21:12 | linuxstb | clownish: You mean charge the battery whilst playing? |
12:21:21 | daurnimator | and the trick to make them into the exploit |
12:21:32 | clownish | linuxstb: yes thats it. sorry my english is not realy god |
12:21:36 | clownish | good |
12:22:09 | JdGordon | usb 2.0 seems to be stuffed o my computer :'( |
12:22:28 | daurnimator | JdGordon: what OS? |
12:22:37 | JdGordon | linux and windows |
12:22:54 | daurnimator | it used to work? |
12:23:00 | JdGordon | rmmod ehci_hcd makes the usb device work, but only at 1.1 speeds... |
12:23:04 | JdGordon | worked up till last week |
12:23:16 | JdGordon | usb 3-5: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
12:23:21 | daurnimator | and you didn't uninstall the drivers? ;) |
12:23:53 | JdGordon | i get unrecognised device in windows, so i actually tihnk the hardware is stuffed |
12:25:36 | daurnimator | tried other ports? |
12:25:51 | JdGordon | yeah |
12:26:27 | daurnimator | got a pci card to test? |
12:26:44 | JdGordon | no :( |
12:27:03 | daurnimator | i'd help you.... but i use mine |
12:27:21 | clownish | linuxstb: so can i charge it while playing? |
12:27:27 | daurnimator | wait, i think i took it out and gave it to a friend |
12:29:06 | Llorean | Wow, the build table is almost as clean as I've seen it in a long while. |
12:29:16 | cd_rom | clownish: you mean play your ipd (listening to the music) and charging it at same time? |
12:29:21 | cd_rom | ipod* |
12:29:33 | Llorean | cd_rom: He has an iRiver H10 |
12:29:38 | cd_rom | oh, i see |
12:29:51 | cd_rom | then i don't know. Never own one :'( |
12:29:52 | Llorean | clownish: You should be able to hold a button while inserting the USB cable, but I cannot remember which button. |
12:30:23 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you wanna swap iriver/archos for a week or so |
12:30:31 | clownish | cd_rom: yes, but its a iriver h10 |
12:30:52 | clownish | Llorean: hold the button for what? |
12:30:56 | cd_rom | clownish: [11:29] <cd_rom> then i don't know. Never own one :'( | :D |
12:31:15 | clownish | cd_rom: oh, sorry |
12:31:24 | cd_rom | it's okay! |
12:31:45 | JdGordon | daurnimator: going on holidays next week so i need my iriver... but mayber later in jan |
12:32:01 | daurnimator | heh, actually, i'm in the same position |
12:32:12 | Llorean | clownish: I said I don't remember which button to hold. But if you hold it down while inserting the USB cable, it should prevent USB mode, and allow charging while using Rockbox. |
12:32:40 | daurnimator | i'm going to qld on 2nd |
12:33:00 | JdGordon | im goign t lakes entrance on the 2nd |
12:33:04 | clownish | Llorean: ah okay. but i dont mean the usb cable just the normal ac-adapter(?!) |
12:33:12 | JdGordon | mm... qld... nice n warm |
12:33:35 | Llorean | clownish: What happens when you plug it in normally? |
12:33:53 | * | JdGordon wonders if plugging the front panel usb ports into the motherboard wrongly would affect the rest of the pots? |
12:35:07 | clownish | Llorean: nothing... the red light of the ac goes on... |
12:35:23 | Llorean | So, why do you think it's not charging? |
12:35:53 | cd_rom | JdGordon: i don't know about that, but if you match the wires wrongly, you will at worse fry any devices plug in |
12:36:03 | cd_rom | i did it once |
12:36:10 | cd_rom | :S |
12:36:25 | JdGordon | I thought maybe the data pins were backwards.. pulling the cables didnt effect it so i guess they were correct |
12:36:45 | * | JdGordon realises everythin stopped working when i cleaned and rebuilt the comp on monday |
12:37:19 | cd_rom | JdGordon: upgraded your comp? :D |
12:37:32 | JdGordon | i wish :p na, cleaned out the dust |
12:37:43 | clownish | Llorean: i hate my english. i try to ask if its save to charge while playing. btw, whats happen when i dont turn the ac off when battery is full (because im not at home or something)? |
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12:38:46 | cd_rom | JdGordon: sorry to hear that! |
12:39:44 | Llorean | clownish: The charging should be hardware controlled. It is safe. |
12:40:40 | clownish | Llorean: okay.. thank you... sorry again |
12:41:12 | Llorean | No problem. |
12:42:59 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'm just going over this patch again. So far I've always used a common current_tick across the two cores (it gets incremented by the timer interrupt on the CPU). Is this correct? Or should each core keep its own tick count? |
12:43:20 | linuxstb | I can't think why you would need two tick counts. |
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12:43:51 | dan_a | That's OK then. |
12:45:48 | daurnimator | linuxstb: did you get that zip? |
12:46:12 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Yes thanks, but I haven't looked at it. I'm working on other things now... |
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12:47:22 | dan_a | Can someone quickly confirm that http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/kernel-on-cop-for-commit.diff doesn't break iPods or H10s? |
12:47:23 | daurnimator | :P |
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12:51:49 | dan_a | barrywardell: Good morning! Would you be able to do a quick test for me on your H10? |
12:51:56 | barrywardell | yeah, sure |
12:52:07 | barrywardell | an good morning to you too! |
12:52:58 | dan_a | I'm about to commit the patch to get a kernel running on the COP. Can you test that http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/kernel-on-cop-for-commit.diff doesn't cause horrible problems? |
12:54:30 | barrywardell | ok, i'll test it now. is it based of the one in the tracker? or something else? |
12:55:24 | dan_a | It's the one in the tracker without making the codec thread run on the COP, but with current_tick moved to IRAM. |
12:55:49 | dan_a | It doesn't seem to boot on my Sansa, though. Hmph. |
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13:05:32 | barrywardell | dan_a: rockbox doesn't boot with that patch applied |
13:09:11 | dan_a | I can't see why it doesn't, though. Meh, it's fine if I #define NUM_CORES to 2 |
13:10:19 | barrywardell | is CURRENT_CORES a proper define in kernel.c? |
13:10:31 | barrywardell | or should it be CURRENT_CORE or NUM_CORES? |
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13:11:44 | dan_a | barrywardell: Nice catch, thank you. It should be NUM_CORES |
13:12:49 | barrywardell | i'll see if that fixes things |
13:15:34 | barrywardell | still doesn't boot |
13:21:00 | barrywardell | dan_a: is there any need to add the cop_irq_stack yet? |
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13:23:13 | dan_a | barrywardell: We run the timer interrupt on the COP (as well as the CPU), so it's possible that the stack is being used. I think I need to check the disassembly to see that. |
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13:25:03 | barrywardell | ah, ok. |
13:25:12 | barrywardell | dan_a: i think you missed a bit in config.h |
13:25:53 | barrywardell | or was that intentional? |
13:26:28 | dan_a | barrywardell: The bit to change NUM_CORES to 2? |
13:27:01 | barrywardell | yes, and to define CURRENT_CORE to be current_core() |
13:27:30 | daurnimator | how do you convert a video for upload to youtube (windows)? |
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13:28:32 | Llorean | Wouldn't that be something you just check at their site for? |
13:28:52 | dan_a | barrywardell: I'm going to set that before committing (it was an error on my part, but I don't want to commit it until it will work with NUM_CORES = 1) |
13:30:35 | daurnimator | nope :P |
13:31:19 | JdGordon | I have a fix for fs 6270 (no voice in sound menu), the problem is that pcmbuf_set_low_latency() is called before the menu is run. the fix I did was just reimplement menu_run() in the sonud_menu()... should i ifdef that for only SWCODEC? or not worry aobut it? |
13:33:03 | dan_a | barrywardell: I think I've found the problem: I was waking up the COP even if we only wanted to run on one core. |
13:33:59 | barrywardell | dan_a: i was just about to suggest the same thing. i'm about to tet |
13:36:39 | barrywardell | dan_a: using the original cop_main() if NUM_CORES <2 boots fine :) |
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13:38:09 | dan_a | barrywardell: I've done it by only doing the COP_CTL = PROC_WAKE in init() if NUM_CORES is 2 |
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13:39:12 | barrywardell | both should do the same thing. but what happens if something else wakes the cop? |
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13:42:11 | dan_a | Good point. Nothing seems to, but I'll do it your way for safety. Does playback work correctly with NUM_CORES set as 2 and CURRENT_CORE correctly defined? |
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13:44:03 | barrywardell | yes, playback works. i don't see a main thread on the cop though |
13:45:22 | dan_a | Damn. Can you see and difference between my patch and yours apart from in playback.c? |
13:46:08 | JdGordon | anyone with an ipod around? |
13:46:28 | cd_rom | nao |
13:46:30 | cd_rom | ? |
13:46:34 | cd_rom | yep |
13:46:42 | barrywardell | no, but now that I think about it, I don't think I always got a main thread with my patch either |
13:46:44 | cd_rom | nano* |
13:46:54 | JdGordon | cd_rom: the yes/no screen... does it ask for the wrong button to accept? |
13:47:35 | cd_rom | what yes/no screen? |
13:47:50 | JdGordon | hold down select on a dummy file and go delete |
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13:48:04 | JdGordon | Llorean: ping? |
13:48:12 | barrywardell | dan_a: while we're on the subject of the cop. does the cache need to be invalidated every time the cpu/cop sleeps/wakes? |
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13:48:32 | cd_rom | JdGordon: give me few sec |
13:49:38 | dan_a | barrywardell: As long as the CPU and the COP are not using the same variables, I don't think so. |
13:49:52 | cd_rom | JdGordon: Select = yes, other = No |
13:50:15 | JdGordon | pressing select cancels it tho right? |
13:50:33 | cd_rom | yep |
13:50:37 | cd_rom | confirm! :D |
13:50:52 | JdGordon | hmm... select is the better button for yes than play isnt it? |
13:51:32 | cd_rom | yes, imo |
13:53:27 | JdGordon | scorche: ping? |
13:54:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: Present. |
13:54:20 | JdGordon | hey, select shuold be used for accept like the screen says right? |
13:54:30 | Llorean | Yes. |
13:54:30 | JdGordon | or shuold the accpet mesage be changed? |
13:54:41 | Llorean | I say, change the key. |
13:54:57 | JdGordon | right, on its way |
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13:55:23 | Llorean | Select makes sense as a "confirm" button, at least to me. |
13:56:04 | JdGordon | also means no code is needed to handle scrollwheel mis-presses |
13:56:10 | JdGordon | commited |
13:56:19 | Llorean | That too |
13:57:09 | JdGordon | 2 bugs down... another hundred odd to go :'( |
13:57:16 | barrywardell | dan_a: indeed, i don't see a main thread on the cop with my patch. i do remember seeing it at one stage though |
13:57:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: what do you tihnk about 6464? |
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13:59:09 | dan_a | barrywardell: If there isn't a main thread, that means that things aren't working correctly. I'll hold off on committing just now, but if you work out what's stopping it working then feel free to put it in |
13:59:33 | dan_a | (It might be something as small as needing another thread before the main thread will show up) |
13:59:40 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think that I like it, other than the "Replace" name. I prefer something like "Play Next" as that, to me at least, suggests that playback won't stop, but will continue onto the new selection rather than through the current list. |
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14:00:36 | JdGordon | i agree... its ready to commit, play next is better than replace? |
14:00:44 | JdGordon | wont that be cofusing with insert next? |
14:00:51 | JdGordon | .. or maybe not |
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14:01:51 | Llorean | Maybe "Restart Next"? |
14:02:57 | JdGordon | hmm play next sounds better.. |
14:04:07 | Llorean | Replace just sounds to me like it'll interrupt playback, replacing the current song with the selected one. |
14:04:28 | Llorean | When you "Play" a song by clicking on it, it starts a new playlist, so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next. |
14:05:29 | JdGordon | restart sounds odd tho. That really sounds like it will interupt playback |
14:06:41 | JdGordon | "so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next." <- well thats bassically what it does |
14:06:46 | Llorean | Yup |
14:07:02 | Llorean | That's why I suggested Play Next first. :-P |
14:07:02 | JdGordon | so that wording works? |
14:07:04 | Llorean | For me, yes |
14:07:07 | JdGordon | forgive me.. its 12.06am here :p |
14:07:34 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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14:11:29 | jba | hey guys |
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14:12:12 | jba | i asked this earlier so appologies for the repost, but... Is there a way to have database running as a separate menu option? The mains reason is so that I can play music using genre's and still browse to images and movies |
14:12:19 | jba | might be that I'm using rb incorrectly though |
14:12:36 | JdGordon | not yet |
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14:13:53 | jba | the easiest way to do it would be to load database into ram and have it a menu option, while still keeping rb proper in browser mode |
14:17:59 | jba | hey you guy still want a picture of rb on a gigabeat |
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14:48:31 | Hdaackda | hello |
14:49:14 | Hdaackda | can I use the Loader 2 with my ipOD video (5.5g 30gb)? or only the rockbox bootloader works? |
14:49:47 | JdGordon | yes |
14:49:55 | JdGordon | .. i tinhk :p |
14:50:14 | cd_rom | JdGordon: you fixed that select button?! |
14:50:20 | JdGordon | i did |
14:50:31 | cd_rom | :D |
14:50:56 | Hdaackda | JdGordon: the latest compiled cvs has it? (fixed select button?) |
14:51:05 | JdGordon | yes |
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14:53:02 | Hdaackda | umm, but the changelog shows the chages were made on 26 dec, the CVS build is only there for 25th.. |
14:53:50 | barrywardell | dan_a: it was enabling frequency scaling that made the main thread appear. i haven't figured out why |
14:53:59 | JdGordon | Hdaackda: your american right? |
14:54:08 | Hdaackda | nah, pakistani |
14:54:19 | Hdaackda | (but the times showed are in GMT) |
14:54:43 | JdGordon | you clock is wrong... its the 26th |
14:55:18 | barrywardell | dan_a: that's using the cpufreq4 patch from the tracker on top of your kernel-on-cop-for-commit |
14:55:57 | Hdaackda | mine is showing the 26th. The one on the rockbox.org says the latest cvs is compiled on 25th |
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14:57:21 | Hdaackda | anyways, just downloaded the latest "bleeding edge download" :) |
14:58:07 | * | JdGordon is confused... |
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14:58:21 | JdGordon | Hdaackda: the version string in rockbox says the 25th? |
14:58:47 | Hdaackda | yes |
14:58:57 | JdGordon | haha odd... |
14:59:00 | JdGordon | which build? |
14:59:04 | JdGordon | target i mean |
14:59:07 | Hdaackda | umm, wait |
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15:00:05 | Hdaackda | the link on the mainpage for the latest download for ipiod video is: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061222.zip |
15:00:33 | Hdaackda | the latest cvs build is: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-12-25%2016:04:04.html |
15:00:59 | JdGordon | which link on the main page? |
15:01:01 | Hdaackda | ouch |
15:01:13 | Hdaackda | the DAILY build is correct. 26th |
15:01:25 | JdGordon | maybe you need to refresh ro soething? |
15:01:45 | Hdaackda | here (for the first one). http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
15:01:50 | Hdaackda | yeah i think i need to. |
15:01:54 | Hdaackda | thanks |
15:01:55 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip always points to the latest cvs |
15:02:30 | Hdaackda | ok |
15:02:42 | Hdaackda | g2g check it out. thanks man |
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15:21:47 | Tommmo | hiya is any1 having trouble downloading the latewst relases? |
15:21:53 | Tommmo | or is that just me? |
15:22:26 | Tommmo | cant update my h10 rockbox |
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15:27:00 | barrywardell | lostlogic: with all versions of the kernel-on-cop patch, i only get a main thread on the cop if i remove the ipod_set_cpu_frequency() from system_init() |
15:29:17 | barrywardell | lostlogic: i also get a LOT more responsiveness when running the codec on the cop and with the eq on |
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15:59:49 | lostlogic | barrywardell: hmm |
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16:07:16 | lostlogic | barrywardell: which player are you? on my 5g I definitely get a main thread. |
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16:07:29 | barrywardell | H10 |
16:07:41 | barrywardell | i have a sansa too but haven't done much testing on that |
16:08:17 | barrywardell | that line is only ever reached if frequency scaling is disabled, which is the case on the h10 |
16:08:25 | barrywardell | but not the 5g |
16:09:08 | lostlogic | ah. |
16:11:36 | lostlogic | barrywardell: just wrap that call in a if (CURRENT_CURE==CPU) |
16:11:45 | lostlogic | because it should only be done once |
16:12:09 | lostlogic | and it's getting called a second time when the 2nd core tries to start up which prevents the main thread from finishing and getting to it's wait loop. |
16:12:13 | barrywardell | good point. i'll test that now.. |
16:12:31 | lostlogic | (fixing my typo, of course) |
16:12:51 | barrywardell | actually, it's already wrapped in if(CURRENT_CORE==CPU) |
16:17:46 | lostlogic | gah, so it is. |
16:17:57 | lostlogic | that's... odd. |
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16:27:41 | lostlogic | I wonder if dan's last comment about needing another thread is where we should look −− I had a feeling that thread_init didn't really initialize the threading API completely *rereads* |
16:27:52 | barrywardell | lostlogic: using the code for cpufreq4 inside ipod_set_cpu_frequency() makes me have a main thread again |
16:28:27 | barrywardell | lostlogic: i currently only have 1 thread on the cop - the main thread |
16:29:15 | lostlogic | ooh, cool! |
16:30:03 | lostlogic | well hopefully this'll all hit CVS soon and we can start hacking on optimizing the codec thread for running alone and reducing memory thrashing. |
16:30:37 | barrywardell | did you see dan_a's patch he wanted to commit to CVS? it just creates a thread on the second core |
16:31:28 | barrywardell | the only thing stopping him committing it was that the main thread wasn't running on the cop on my h10, but he was happy for it to be committed after that was fixed |
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16:47:09 | lostlogic | yep, I read the backlog |
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17:04:32 | metateck | how do i install a theme? |
17:04:56 | metateck | i tried just copying everything in the zip to the themes folder and playing the .cfg but that didnt seem to work |
17:05:11 | metateck | and the manual doesnt really help on installing themes |
17:07:19 | Genre9mp3 | only the .cfg file must be in the themes folder |
17:07:22 | trithemius | They go into .rockbox on your ipod. |
17:07:37 | metateck | not into the themes folder? |
17:07:47 | metateck | oh nevermind i just figured it out |
17:07:49 | metateck | thanks |
17:07:59 | Genre9mp3 | the .wps file and the folder with the bmps must be in the wps folder |
17:08:06 | trithemius | They tend to be inconsistent in how they unpack. |
17:08:23 | Genre9mp3 | don't forget to install the fonts pack btw |
17:08:35 | metateck | there is just one right? |
17:09:34 | Genre9mp3 | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061226.zip |
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17:10:20 | metateck | thats a bad link |
17:10:29 | metateck | but i installed the fonts pack already |
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17:11:58 | barrywardell | lostlogic: can you test this patch barrywardell.net/assets/files/kernel-on-cop-for-commit-v2.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/kernel-on-cop-for-commit-v2.diff |
17:12:18 | Genre9mp3 | oh... it's because there were problems with the server these days |
17:12:25 | barrywardell | when you're testing, make sure to disable adjustable cpu freq in config-xxx.h |
17:13:17 | barrywardell | it's dan_a's patch with a couple of bugs fixed and with a new ipod_set_frequency() |
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17:15:18 | lostlogic | will test w/ and w/o. |
17:16:35 | barrywardell | great, thanks. you're looking for a just main thread on the cop. and for things to be working generally as before the patch (eg music playback, ets) |
17:16:47 | lostlogic | yep |
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17:18:36 | steven | I've installed rockbox on an iriver h10 and it's great! The next step is to connect that device within amarok, any suggestions are welcome |
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17:19:06 | barrywardell | steven: you can just use your h10 as a regular disk when using rockbox on it |
17:20:11 | barrywardell | just make sure it's in ums mode and copy files over. |
17:20:15 | cd_rom | what? you can install amarok in to your iriver h10? |
17:20:27 | barrywardell | cd_rom: no |
17:20:35 | cd_rom | oh |
17:20:37 | cd_rom | lol |
17:20:39 | barrywardell | i think he wants to use amarok to sync his music |
17:20:56 | cd_rom | i was almost faint when i saw that! |
17:21:00 | lostlogic | oh, you didn't tell me that I hafta change NUM_CORES my damn self |
17:21:40 | steven | barrywardell: I've done that in ums mode to install rockbox, but if anyone has experience with using that device under amarok with rockbox as firmware, don't hesitate to shout it out |
17:23:20 | barrywardell | lostlogic: oops, sorry. forgot about that bit. |
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17:31:56 | lostlogic | barrywardell: well on 5g, w/o adjustable frequency it runs at 11mhz or something insane like that and so doesn't really work... but since we don't run the 5g w/o adjustable cpu freq I'm not too worried about that |
17:34:00 | barrywardell | ok, so it runs at least |
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17:34:32 | barrywardell | how can you tell how fast it's running? just by the ui performance? |
17:38:24 | lostlogic | 11mhz is the default frequency defined in config-ipodvideo.h and therefor the frequency reported on the audio thread screen... but mostly the performance |
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17:40:22 | barrywardell | lostlogic: my ipod_set_cpu_frequency should change the frequency to 11mhz. looks like it's not getting run on you ipod for some reason... |
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17:40:48 | lostlogic | to 11mhz? |
17:41:04 | barrywardell | no, to 75MHz |
17:41:11 | barrywardell | typo |
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17:44:19 | barrywardell | lostlogic: if ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is not getting run a all then that would explain why you were always getting a main thread on the cop while I was only getting one once I fixed up ipod_set_cpu_frequency(); |
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17:50:31 | lostlogic | barrywardell: yeah, that method seems not to apply to the 5020 |
17:50:59 | lostlogic | barrywardell: er no, HATE |
17:51:22 | lostlogic | whatever, I'm in ifdef hell |
17:51:36 | * | barrywardell is in ifdef hell too |
17:52:03 | barrywardell | ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for PP5020, ipod_set_cpu_speed() is for PP5002 |
17:52:20 | lostlogic | yah, so set_cpu_frequency should be called on 5g and h10 |
17:53:40 | barrywardell | yeah, should be. and should set the frequency to 75MHz. are you sure there's nothing else causing the sluggishness (eg. eq or something)? |
17:54:01 | lostlogic | quite −− it was slower than unboosted. |
17:54:06 | lostlogic | even before I hit play |
17:54:48 | lostlogic | plus, I run w/o priority scheduling, so the music woudl skip not the UI sluggish if it was running at normal speed |
17:55:09 | barrywardell | set_cpu_frequency() is for when frequency scaling is enabled. ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for disabled and only gets called once (in system_init()) |
17:55:33 | lostlogic | yah |
17:56:00 | barrywardell | was the performance like that previously with frequency scaling disabled? or is it the new ipod_set_cpu_frequency()? |
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18:00:30 | lostlogic | beats me, I'll revert and try |
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18:13:01 | lostlogic | barrywardell: with the old ipod_set_cpu_frequency and no adjustable, it is full speed UI, but still reports 11mhz in the audio thread screen. |
18:15:02 | barrywardell | the number in the audio thread screen is just a hardcoded value read from config-*.h iirc |
18:15:07 | amiconn | That's because without adjustable cpu frequency, the frequency is just a #define |
18:15:30 | amiconn | ...which _should_ reflect the true value, but doesn't for ipod |
18:15:35 | lostlogic | hehe |
18:16:27 | lostlogic | amiconn: so it seems that your comment on the memory being the bottleneck was probably on the money because with the codec thread on the COP and not yielding I can still cause audio skips by playing in the UI a lot (w/o priority scheduling) |
18:17:00 | amiconn | Either that, or it's a scheduler problem |
18:17:18 | lostlogic | which seems less likely since I removed the concept of yield from the codec api for those test |
18:17:21 | lostlogic | s |
18:17:44 | lostlogic | (redefined yield to codec_yield() {}) |
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18:19:50 | PaulPosition | When you guys talk about memory bottleneck, you mean like Rockbox is asking more of it than iPod/iRiver ever did, or that you haven't figured out how to access it right (ie, dualport or whatever..) ? (not that I could help, I just LOVE reading on your researches) |
18:20:46 | lostlogic | PaulPosition: could be either one −− we may be inefficient in our use of memory bandwidth, or there may be additional access modes that the original firmware used that we do not know about / aren't taking advantage of yet. |
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18:22:18 | PaulPosition | thanks. |
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18:26:32 | jernst | hello everyone, I'm helping a friend to whom I have installed rockbox (but he is now some thousand kilometers away so I have no physical access to his ipod video) |
18:26:59 | jernst | He says that when he is putting his ipod on the outlet charger it is rebooting continuously |
18:27:26 | jernst | I read that pressing "menu" while putting the USB cable in the device could help but it doesn't seem so |
18:27:31 | barrywardell | lostlogic: I wonder is my new ipod_set_cpu_frequency() actually setting a really low frequency, or is it doing nothing and leaving the ipod at the default frequency? I wonder what happens if you make ipod_set_cpu_frequency() do nothing? |
18:28:30 | hcs | jernst: if the device was off it'll just go through that cycle, he'd need to boot it into disk mode (hold select and play while booting) or the apple firmware (hold menu while booting) to use the charger outside of rockbox |
18:28:53 | hcs | if rockbox was running just holding menu should work |
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18:30:09 | wanna5grock | hi rockbox'ers .. |
18:30:50 | wanna5grock | does anyone know if rockbox works on the 5g ipod video 80gig yet? |
18:32:19 | jernst | hcs: thanks, but he says it doesn't work. Does the power indicator work ? |
18:33:39 | wanna5grock | nobody knows about rockbox on 5gipod? |
18:33:53 | PaulPosition | wanna5grock - Nope. 80gig is 5.5th generation and as far as I know it isn't working yet. The thread in the 'Other Ports' (or is it 'new ports'?) part of the forum will *most certainly* be updated when anyone finds a way to crack it open. |
18:33:54 | jernst | (he says the ipod is charging when used with a computer and USB cable but not using the power outlet charger) |
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18:34:26 | Kingsqueak | for a 5G, what should the battery capacity be set to? I'm running latest CVS |
18:35:39 | wanna5grock | paulposition: thanks, i'll try to keep up to date with the threads in the forums .. just thought the IRC would be the place for bleeding edge news/details. |
18:36:05 | wanna5grock | i'm wondering also if there's anything i can do with my ipod80gig in the meantime to assist the project? does it just need to be reverse engineered and a driver written? |
18:36:49 | hcs | jernst: with the computer it will reboot into disk mode and interface via USB, with the power charger it will reboot into disk mode, notice there isn't actually any usb connection besides the power, and reboot, and when rockbox comes up it will just reboot again |
18:36:53 | wanna5grock | and i'm guessing that the 5g in this post refers to the 303gig 5g: http://www.ipodlinux.org/blog/?p=26 |
18:37:07 | hcs | jernst: it needs to be explicitly booted in disk mode |
18:37:55 | jernst | hcs: I see, will tell him |
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18:39:22 | lostlogic | on dual core targets I think we should take the codec out of IRAM and let the core figure out caching it and work with a smaller pcm buffer in iram instead of in dram. that's what I think. |
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18:42:23 | jernst | hcs: thanks it finally worked |
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18:59:14 | evilnick | Hi All, can someone point me in the direction of the irc log when the "ignore 'the' in alphabetic sort" patch was discussed please? |
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19:02:08 | evilnick | i.e. which day this was? |
19:03:34 | Llorean | Look at when the task was closed, and look shortly before that in the IRC log. |
19:03:44 | evilnick | ok, ta |
19:04:39 | Llorean | To summarize though, "People can simply name their files properly." |
19:05:10 | evilnick | Yeah, I understand that theory, but it's far far nicer to have the proper artist name, but have them sorted in a more logical fashion |
19:05:48 | hcs | I tend to have the proper naming in the tags and organize the filesystem for easy access |
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19:05:57 | evilnick | If you're going to go down the codesize route then why support anything other than "English" ASCII, or L-R scrolling etc. |
19:07:06 | Llorean | Because you can't get around the lack of foreign language support or limited screen width by simply renaming files? |
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19:07:59 | lostlogic | if it's important... patch it into your own copy and post a build up, I"m sure some people would like it :_P |
19:08:09 | evilnick | I do see your point, I'm just sad as it's one of the very few remaing things I'd like to see in RB officially. |
19:08:22 | evilnick | lostlogic: that's why I'm getting the vmware image right now 8) |
19:08:29 | lostlogic | :) |
19:08:44 | Llorean | I can't see how it's even a *small* deal. How much time do you really spend staring at your filetree thinking "Gee, I wish the The were in the front of that line, rather than the rear..." |
19:08:59 | lostlogic | Llorean: you do a battery test with kernel_on_cop_6.diff that I posted to compare to your other two battery tests? I'm guessing a few percent better. |
19:09:35 | Llorean | lostlogic: I'll begin charging my Nano now. It's quite dead at the moment, but once it is I'll run the test and let you know the results. Is the patch on the tracker? |
19:09:38 | evilnick | It's mainly for when you are looking at a list of artist names and the order just looks (to my eyes) "wrong", with a big clump down amongst the T's |
19:10:00 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, posted a link in the task. |
19:10:11 | lostlogic | Llorean: thanks for abusing your battery for the betterment of science. |
19:10:15 | Llorean | lostlogic: Alright, I'll give it a try once the Nano's charged then. |
19:10:21 | Llorean | evilnick: Use TagCache then. |
19:10:35 | evilnick | My folder structure is: Initial letter/artist name/year - album/track# - title |
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19:10:45 | Llorean | I understand with some trickiness in the tagnavi.config, you can get proper sorting. |
19:10:53 | evilnick | Llorean: is there an auto-way to do this? |
19:10:59 | Llorean | I still think the right solution isn't to improperly sort filenames, but rather to allow the use of sort-tags. |
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19:11:26 | Llorean | evilnick: No, there's not an automatic way to do it. |
19:11:45 | evilnick | Llorean: agreed. I'll search the forums for the correct syntax within tagnavi.config. |
19:11:55 | Llorean | lostlogic: I've CVS up'd since then, but I doubt any changes in the last 12 hours are going to make a terribly large battery life difference, ought they? |
19:13:35 | lostlogic | correct, no changes in CVS will impact battery life. |
19:14:39 | Llorean | Alright, I'll give it a run once the Nano's charged. |
19:15:29 | barrywardell | lostlogic: i can't remember if i mentioned earlier, but that patch definitely makes a noticable difference on my H10 (after i fixed up the frequency thing) |
19:15:34 | barrywardell | good work :) |
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19:15:59 | lostlogic | barrywardell: yeah, for the first time we have a reason to run dual core :) |
19:16:19 | Llorean | If it means less boosting, it'll actually improve battery life, won't it? |
19:16:31 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, that's what I spect |
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19:16:51 | lostlogic | barrywardell: what do you think of my theory of taking the codec out of IRAM and putting a smaller pcm buffer in IRAM for dual core targets? |
19:17:08 | Llorean | But then, I've had a gut feeling for a long time we were losing power to the COP. Just one of those arbitrary "I have no reason, but it seems like the kinda misfortune that'd happen" |
19:17:23 | lostlogic | Llorean: :) |
19:17:41 | lostlogic | another theory I have is to put the codec on the CPU and run the COP at 1/2 clock and put the other threads on there. |
19:18:21 | Llorean | Well, do we need to do that? |
19:18:35 | Llorean | I mean, we boost to decode, which goes from 35 to 70(75?) |
19:18:59 | lostlogic | 30-75 |
19:19:00 | Llorean | Mightn't there be a point where we don't really need to boost very often, if at all, that results in a nice, fast UI like the people always say they want? |
19:19:10 | lostlogic | I suggest it as a power saving measure |
19:19:19 | lostlogic | right now we seem to run both cores at the same clock |
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19:19:25 | lostlogic | by 1/2 clocking the COP we could save power |
19:19:28 | Llorean | True |
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19:21:15 | lostlogic | is the codec output buffer (pre DSP) in IRAM or DRAM? |
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19:23:09 | barrywardell | lostlogic: i don't really know much about the codec code. i only started looking at it after looking at the dual core stuff |
19:24:06 | lostlogic | I can't remember, and I know I used to know. |
19:24:41 | webguest26 | have you gotten the 2 cores on PP to execute concurrently now? If so, congratulations!! Now it should be one step closer into adding sound to the video player :) |
19:25:22 | dan_a | lostlogic, barrywardell: I'm back now and just reading through the logs from earlier. |
19:25:41 | lostlogic | webguest26: techincally dan had them working a while ago, we just finally got some tangible benefit from running on two cores. |
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19:30:57 | dan_a | lostlogic: When you talk about moving the codec out of IRAM, do you mean the code or the data? |
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19:32:27 | bleaked | so, if i use rockbox basically 100% of the time.. but still use the apple firmware when transferring.. is it worth it to update the apple firmware? (nano, 1st gen) |
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19:33:01 | * | dan_a is amazed at the number of people doing stupid things to their Sansas |
19:33:23 | tsuyoshi | dan_a: like what? |
19:33:45 | Llorean | Putting various files in recovery mode, rather than just the MI4 |
19:33:49 | lostlogic | dan_a: code |
19:34:28 | lostlogic | dan_a: when the codec is sharing cache with other threads, IRAMing code makes more sense than when it has a core to itself |
19:34:47 | dan_a | Like installing Rockbox without knowing how to get it off again first, ignoring all the "it's not finished and not everything works" posts and overwriting their bootloaders with random rubbish so that they can't get into recovery mode! |
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19:35:28 | scorche | sounds like they are starting to learn from the ipod crowd |
19:35:28 | tsuyoshi | ah |
19:35:28 | * | scorche ducks |
19:36:14 | tsuyoshi | I got a sansa for christmas.. just been reading the rockbox source |
19:36:41 | dan_a | lostlogic: I think that linuxstb did some tests which basically found that having code in IRAM doesn't give any benefit on the PP502X machines. However it does make a difference on the PP5002 (ie the 3g iPod) |
19:36:44 | tsuyoshi | not sure what the point of installing it is since there's no sound yet |
19:37:09 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: I can summarize it: "People want to play Doom" |
19:37:13 | dan_a | tsuyoshi: To help develop it, or to play games. |
19:37:20 | tsuyoshi | oh.. so does doom work? |
19:37:27 | dan_a | Doom works |
19:37:43 | dan_a | (with no sound, obviously) |
19:37:52 | Llorean | dan_a: Few of the ones who want to help develop manage to follow the instructions that badly though, I imagine. |
19:37:52 | tsuyoshi | I see |
19:38:07 | * | Llorean hasn't managed to brick his Sansa yet. |
19:38:30 | bleaked | scorche, at least it's next to impossible to brick an ipod.. |
19:38:36 | tsuyoshi | hmm |
19:38:51 | dan_a | Llorean: I think the people who've (effectively) bricked their Sansas just wanted to be 31337 |
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19:39:08 | lostlogic | dan_a: yeah, I remember something about that. |
19:39:18 | Llorean | dan_a: I love how the response to "It doesn't seem to work" then becomes "So I tried this list of crazy things, and now it REALLY doesn't work" |
19:39:21 | tsuyoshi | so if I was to help with the sansa port.. should I start by disassembling the firmware or what |
19:39:41 | lostlogic | on vorbis at least, the decoded audio to insert into the pcm buffer is returned on DRAM not IRAM, we can probably improve our memory bandwidth utilization if we're brave enough to try moving that around. |
19:39:44 | scorche | bleaked: i was referring to their practices and methodology....but yes, they are just being supid with a device that is easier to brick than the ipods |
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19:39:58 | scorche | oh...at least...heh |
19:40:00 | Llorean | bleaked: It's actually moderately hard to brick a Sansa too, you have to go a moderate distance off of the instructions we've given. |
19:40:02 | * | scorche still needs to wake up |
19:41:21 | jeffb | You can't really even brick an ipod unless you write to flashrom |
19:42:10 | dan_a | tsuyoshi: There are a few things that can be done. The disk driver can be improved (it needs to return error conditions, and it would be good if it did DMA.) The video driver seems to fail about 1 time in 20 for me, which I guess is a timing issue. Disassembling the firmware to find out about the things we do not know yet would be good. |
19:42:32 | tehsmo | hmm, for an ipod video, I would use the base device (/dev/sdb) for ipodpatcher, not one of the partitions? |
19:42:49 | jeffb | yup |
19:42:53 | tehsmo | ok, thanks |
19:42:57 | jeffb | ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -l |
19:43:03 | jeffb | will list what you have on it |
19:43:31 | scorche | Soap: there? |
19:43:54 | dan_a | lostlogic: That makes sense. Can we try that without moving the codec code out of IRAM, or is space too tight? |
19:44:25 | lostlogic | not sure, hard to tell because the vorbis codec uses ogg_malloc which uses that terrible fake codec malloc. |
19:45:11 | tsuyoshi | dan_a: is there a list of things we need to figure out? |
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19:45:51 | jeffb | to you guys make use of arm emulators at all? |
19:46:15 | jeffb | some of orig manufacture firmware code does fancy to throw off dissembler tools I've found |
19:46:19 | tehsmo | wow! |
19:46:24 | tehsmo | that was one painless install |
19:46:29 | jeffb | *fancy stuff |
19:46:33 | jeffb | <−− still waking up |
19:46:53 | tsuyoshi | all I've seen really is this page: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
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19:48:38 | dan_a | tsuyoshi: We're doing fairly well. We may need somebody to reverse engineer the audio codec - we know what chip it is (AS3515), but can't get a data sheet. The USB seems the same as the USB in the Freescale i.MX31, which is documented. I think that's all we have found which isn't on daniel.haxx.se |
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19:49:58 | Sloth | Sorry dude, gota quit trying to jack my nick :p |
19:50:32 | debauched_sloth | sorry, my bad, I'm swpping |
19:50:35 | debauched_sloth | swapping |
19:50:41 | Sloth | hehe im just giving your crap ;) |
19:50:46 | debauched_sloth | :) |
19:51:17 | dan_a | jeffb: We don't tend to use emulators as a rule (somebody might do, though.) Sometimes the OF does things like remapping memory, which can make reading the disassembly more difficult. |
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19:52:08 | jeffb | dan_a, yup, how do you get around such issues? I've seen stack tricks too that set the PC to something different |
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19:52:22 | jeffb | seems like a simulator might help |
19:52:32 | Llorean | jeffb: In general, we don't pay too much attention to what the original firmware does. |
19:53:00 | dan_a | jeffb: I don't know, I can read disassemblies about as well as I can read Martian! |
19:53:31 | jeffb | sure, but say you need to figure out how the orig does HD transfers using DMA |
19:53:56 | jeffb | sometimes you have to look into the firmware for that kind of stuff |
19:54:41 | dan_a | Are the stack tricks just returning from a subroutine? In ARM, they often push the LR on entry to a subroutine, and then pop that value back to the PC |
19:55:44 | jeffb | nah, it's some kind of computed address in the relative to some position in the firmware and then it is put on the stacked and then popped into PC |
19:55:58 | jeffb | bah my typing is horrible in the morning heh |
19:57:48 | jeffb | let me wake up and I'll try explaining again |
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20:00:46 | * | dan_a wonders how so many Sansa owners aren't able to power off in Rockbox |
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20:01:07 | Darksider | can rockbox be installed on the 2nd gen nanos? |
20:01:14 | jeffb | no |
20:01:15 | Llorean | dan_a: I suspect they just never hold it long enough? |
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20:01:49 | Darksider | is there any alternative to the mac firmware out there that might run on 2g nanos? |
20:01:56 | jeffb | no |
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20:02:12 | Darksider | that sucks...ok well, thanks anyway |
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20:02:30 | Soap | yo scorche |
20:02:47 | dan_a | Llorean: Yes, but... it still makes my mind boggle. |
20:03:38 | The-Thilo | hi all |
20:04:20 | The-Thilo | can anyone help me with installing rockbox on my ipod 5.5g ? |
20:04:30 | jeffb | what kind of 5.5g |
20:04:40 | Kingsqueak | this is awesome, just got my headphone amp, between the para EQ in rockbox and now gain staging the 5G iPod, the sound is fantastic |
20:05:21 | The-Thilo | test |
20:05:31 | Llorean | dan_a: After the number of times I've seen people miss the connection between an error message and their install failing, I think my mind is unbogglable. |
20:05:34 | jeffb | The-Thilo, what kind of 5.5g? |
20:05:42 | The-Thilo | sdf |
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20:06:23 | The-Thilo | 30gb |
20:06:47 | The-Thilo | omg if i write something it takes about 2min to send |
20:07:08 | jeffb | I could sure use the flashrom from your 5.5g 30gb |
20:07:13 | jeffb | :) :) |
20:07:38 | The-Thilo | have somebody icq who can help me ? -.- |
20:08:25 | The-Thilo | if yes my icq nr is 291130265 "Sklaventreiber" |
20:09:14 | Llorean | You haven't even asked any questions yet. What part of the install instructions doesn't work for you? |
20:09:38 | The-Thilo | jeffb do you have icq ? i cant write here it takes 2 min to send |
20:09:51 | The-Thilo | or add me my icq nr is 291130265 |
20:10:35 | jeffb | Llorean, is it okay for me to post a request on your forums for a specific flashrom dump? |
20:11:13 | jeffb | The-Thilo, I don't have icq |
20:11:17 | Llorean | jeffb: Sure, put it in General Discussion, and I'll move it to Announcements, make the topic "Request for iPod 5.5G 30gb user" or something. |
20:11:38 | jeffb | Llorean, I have a special patched build of ipodlinux that makes it easy to dump |
20:13:08 | Llorean | Hopefully you'll get a useful response then |
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20:15:58 | Soap | Llorean: I've been trying to follow the IRC chat on the COP, but feel as if I'm not seeing the whole picture. Is there anything I can do to help test? |
20:16:15 | The-Thilo | omfg |
20:16:23 | The-Thilo | i reconect |
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20:17:28 | Llorean | Soap: I dunno, I'm just a guinea pig in all this. dan_a, barrywardell and lostlogic are doing all the work. |
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20:19:18 | The-Thilo | hi |
20:19:30 | The-Thilo | me again ;) |
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20:19:34 | The-Thilo | now irc works |
20:19:35 | The-Thilo | :) |
20:19:45 | jeffb | cool |
20:19:54 | The-Thilo | can u help me now ? :) |
20:20:12 | The-Thilo | i have got a ipod |
20:20:19 | dan_a | Soap: At the moment, the most useful thing to know is that having the COP turned on doesn't use more battery than having it turned off. |
20:20:22 | The-Thilo | 30gb |
20:20:24 | The-Thilo | 5.5 |
20:20:32 | The-Thilo | i tried to install rockbox |
20:20:35 | Soap | dan_a: and has that been confirmed? |
20:20:35 | jeffb | The-Thilo, are you a linux user? |
20:20:45 | Soap | for Soap loves the runtime testing. |
20:20:48 | The-Thilo | no i use windows xp |
20:21:06 | The-Thilo | if i try to open ipodpatcher |
20:21:18 | The-Thilo | it close agan |
20:21:23 | The-Thilo | after a very short time |
20:21:35 | jeffb | The-Thilo, the 5.5g 30gb is a special installation |
20:21:42 | Llorean | Soap: I've done a runtime test on my Nano with and without the kernel_on_cop_5.diff with identical runtimes, but there's a new version which actually *might* show the coprocessor slightly increasing runtime |
20:21:48 | Llorean | jeffb: It's not special |
20:21:55 | Llorean | jeffb: The install instructions are the same for all supported iPods |
20:22:03 | The-Thilo | so can u explain it to me ? i would be very thanksfull |
20:22:09 | jeffb | Llorean, even the 5.5g with a sector size of 2048 bytes? |
20:22:12 | Llorean | Yes |
20:22:15 | jeffb | hrm |
20:22:20 | Llorean | jeffb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
20:22:31 | Llorean | The new ipodpatcher.exe is very intelligent. |
20:22:33 | The-Thilo | i know my english is very bad -.- i am right that u dont speak german ? |
20:22:42 | jeffb | ah |
20:22:48 | Llorean | The problem is that he's just double clicking on the file rather than following the instructions and using the command prompt |
20:22:59 | jeffb | right |
20:23:58 | Soap | dan_a: do you want runtime tests? |
20:24:09 | The-Thilo | can you explain me why the ipodpatcher is closing after opening ? |
20:25:46 | dan_a | The-Thilo: You must use "Start" and then "Run" and then type "cmd" Can you understand that? |
20:26:21 | The-Thilo | yes okay |
20:26:29 | The-Thilo | i work in it |
20:26:40 | The-Thilo | so i understand something about this ;) |
20:27:04 | The-Thilo | what i have to type in the cmd window ? |
20:27:35 | dan_a | C:\ |
20:27:44 | dan_a | cd rockbox |
20:27:51 | The-Thilo | ok |
20:28:02 | dan_a | ipodpatcher −−scan |
20:28:08 | The-Thilo | ahhh |
20:28:11 | The-Thilo | now i understand |
20:28:12 | The-Thilo | :) |
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20:28:32 | The-Thilo | ipod found |
20:28:47 | The-Thilo | thx :) |
20:28:55 | dan_a | You're welcome! |
20:28:56 | The-Thilo | so i try to go on with the manuall |
20:29:28 | The-Thilo | if i have one more question i come again |
20:29:29 | The-Thilo | afk |
20:30:25 | Llorean | dan_a, lostlogic: Okay, I've begun a new battery bench with the new patch. |
20:30:33 | tehsmo | hmm, I can get to the bookmarks section of the wps context menu, but hiting select on 'create new bookmark' seems to do nothing? |
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20:31:29 | dan_a | Llorean: Thank you. |
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20:31:56 | webguest43 | Hey |
20:32:03 | webguest43 | hey |
20:32:22 | webguest43 | does anyone know when rockbox will come out for 2nd gen ipod nanos? |
20:32:32 | dan_a | webguest43: No |
20:32:43 | dan_a | It won't be soon. |
20:32:56 | webguest43 | do you know like how many months? |
20:32:59 | webguest43 | like 6 or so? |
20:33:12 | scorche | impossible to say |
20:33:12 | Llorean | webguest43: There's absolutely no way to predict that. |
20:33:18 | Llorean | webguest43: Assume never, and hope that it's sooner. |
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20:33:42 | bleaked | not sure if anyone knows about this, but i used to throw various games on my TI graphing calculators.. one of the best games by far was Fall Down.. (basically a ball is constantly falling, while horizontal bars with random holes scroll up, while you navigate the ball through the holes so it doesn't touch the top).. |
20:33:59 | bleaked | well, i was wondering if something like this could ever come to rockbox? |
20:34:27 | Llorean | bleaked: There's no reason why someone couldn't program that. |
20:35:15 | webguest43 | well then does anyone know any 2nd gen ipod nano hacks i can do? |
20:35:25 | scorche | ask #apple |
20:35:48 | Llorean | This is #rockbox, and is specifically about the Rockbox firmware, rather than "things you can do to various players" |
20:36:06 | bleaked | well.. i guess to rephrase.. do you know if anyone has considered writing it? to me, it's one of those staple games.. like bricks, tetris, pacman, jewls, etc.. |
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20:36:33 | bleaked | i think he was asking if there was an alpha or something available for 2nd gen ipods |
20:37:01 | bleaked | webguest43, to which there probably is not at the moment. |
20:37:04 | Llorean | bleaked: There's a game similar to it, in a way, on the misticriver forums. But generally games get made by people who decide they want to make them, and aren't really planned or anything. For example, you could go and make it. |
20:38:06 | bleaked | Llorean, oh i would do it in a heartbeat.. but i have basically no programming skills.. but i'm learning ruby with hopes to move to c.. so perhaps in the future :D |
20:38:08 | Llorean | You could always post a feature request, and link to the TI-calc game. |
20:38:20 | bleaked | good idea |
20:38:28 | Llorean | I mean, the feature requests tracker is there for exactly that sort of thing. |
20:38:40 | Llorean | To give people who can program, but don't have any idea what they want to make, something to look at. |
20:39:00 | bleaked | it's not really a big deal.. i rather see dev resources go into audio playback and UI improvements. |
20:39:18 | bleaked | wel |
20:39:23 | bleaked | ok.. i'll submit one |
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20:43:58 | jeffb | Llorean, are you a programmer for rockbox? |
20:44:35 | Llorean | jeffb: The number of lines of code that I have included in Rockbox can probably be counted without running out of fingers and toes. |
20:44:47 | jeffb | heheh |
20:44:52 | jeffb | :) |
20:46:07 | Llorean | But there are a few of them, and I watch over the forums, and at some point when I wasn't looking they sneaked my name into the credits along with all the others. |
20:46:35 | scorche | how dare they... |
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20:47:35 | jeffb | I have a patch for rockbox that will dump flashrom to flashrom.bin in root dir. Is that something you guys would care about? |
20:48:23 | The-Thilo | how is this ment : |
20:48:37 | The-Thilo | 1 ipodpatcher [device] -a |
20:48:45 | The-Thilo | 2 bootloader-video.ipod |
20:48:52 | The-Thilo | have i write this in one line |
20:48:57 | The-Thilo | or send 2 times ? |
20:49:23 | Llorean | jeffb: It should probably be an option in the debug menu. |
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20:53:11 | Kingsqueak | The-Thilo: ipodcatcher /dev/youripod -a bootloader-video.ipod |
20:54:02 | Soap | but regardless, this is what it looks like:http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overviewcc5.jpg |
20:54:07 | Soap | oops |
20:54:15 | Soap | scorche, wrong window. |
20:54:20 | scorche | i figured |
20:54:32 | The-Thilo | mhh |
20:55:22 | The-Thilo | how i can see if the installation is succesfull ? |
20:55:44 | The-Thilo | it seams to look good |
20:56:02 | The-Thilo | but there is nothing other like before |
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20:57:59 | The-Thilo | mhh i think it doesent work |
20:58:16 | The-Thilo | does somebody can help me in this installation ? |
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21:03:06 | Nimdae_ | what's the problem? |
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21:04:01 | theprodukkt | hello all, ive a nonrockbox according problem |
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21:04:29 | theprodukkt | according partitioning my new 500gb sata drive |
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21:04:33 | theprodukkt | and installing win on it |
21:04:43 | Terinjokes | hey! how's the earth spinning? |
21:04:51 | scorche | and what made you think that #rockbox was the right place to ask this? |
21:05:06 | * | Terinjokes quickly graps all the WPSs before the server dies again |
21:05:11 | Nimdae | wow... |
21:05:14 | Nimdae | just |
21:05:14 | Nimdae | wow... |
21:05:14 | theprodukkt | well, here sit experienced ppl |
21:05:18 | theprodukkt | ^^ |
21:05:18 | The-Thilo | how i can install the firmware ? :-/ |
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21:05:29 | Nimdae | /join #rockbox; i have a nonrockbox issue |
21:05:30 | scorche | and here sits a support channel dedicated to one purpose |
21:05:33 | Llorean | theprodukkt: This is #Rockbox, go find other experienced people in a channel where that's actually an appropriate question. |
21:05:41 | Nimdae | that's like doing /join #linux; i have a windows issue |
21:05:49 | theprodukkt | oh |
21:05:51 | theprodukkt | ok im sry |
21:05:57 | Terinjokes | nimdae, they problem would help (i've done that before) |
21:05:59 | theprodukkt | thought u'd be smarter |
21:06:27 | Llorean | theprodukkt: Well, we thought that people joining would be smarter too, I can see we were both wrong. Goodbye. |
21:06:30 | The-Thilo | can someone explain me how i could install the firmware on a 5.5 30gb ipod ? |
21:06:39 | Terinjokes | video? |
21:06:47 | Soap | The-Thilo: the wiki install instructions work for your ipod. |
21:06:49 | Nimdae | well, the folks at my isp are pretty smart, but i don't go bothering them about problems with beating half life 2 |
21:06:59 | Llorean | The-Thilo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
21:07:16 | The-Thilo | thanks :) |
21:07:17 | Terinjokes | Nimdae, i bother my webhost with questions like that LD |
21:07:52 | Soap | I was getting to that mr all-links-are-hotkeyed-Llorean. |
21:07:53 | The-Thilo | the newest link of firmware for the video ipod dont work |
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21:08:07 | Soap | what link The-Thilo? |
21:08:14 | Cazov | This channel is an endless source for entertainment, for all the wrong reasons :/ |
21:08:27 | Nimdae | actually, i used the new instructions recently on my ipod to update the bootloader and it worked fine |
21:08:35 | The-Thilo | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod%20video.ipod |
21:08:35 | The-Thilo | this |
21:08:42 | The-Thilo | on rockbox page |
21:08:47 | Llorean | Why do you say it doesn't work? |
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21:09:06 | The-Thilo | cause i wantet do download it |
21:09:08 | Llorean | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
21:09:18 | The-Thilo | you have to delete the space |
21:09:20 | Terinjokes | Llorean, Soap: my family thinks i love my ipod nano, so naturally they got me tons of itunes giftcards, what am I supposed to do with them? |
21:09:26 | The-Thilo | between ipod and video |
21:09:35 | Cazov | eBay |
21:09:36 | scorche | Terinjokes: ebay? |
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21:09:48 | Nimdae | give them to me? |
21:09:48 | Soap | regift? |
21:09:53 | scorche | but that isnt rockbox related either ;) |
21:09:55 | Llorean | The-Thilo: On this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta there is no space |
21:10:05 | Terinjokes | scorche, VLC seems to have figured out how to play itune-store songs... |
21:10:11 | The-Thilo | yes i dont talk about yor link ;) |
21:10:19 | The-Thilo | i talk about a link on the rockbox website |
21:10:26 | Soap | Terinjokes: even when iTunes isn't installed? |
21:10:30 | Llorean | The-Thilo: The Rockbox website is a big place, WHERE on it? |
21:10:50 | Nimdae | i would bet itunes has to be installed |
21:10:54 | The-Thilo | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
21:10:55 | Terinjokes | yes, on Linux/unix systems |
21:11:01 | The-Thilo | if u click on the download |
21:11:11 | Jelle-k | lol |
21:11:17 | The-Thilo | in 2.23. |
21:11:19 | The-Thilo | 2. |
21:11:30 | The-Thilo | there have to delete a space |
21:11:32 | Soap | nice catch on the manual The-Thilo, but use the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
21:11:37 | Llorean | That's out of date, then. And a typo, as there should never be a space in a URL. |
21:11:45 | Terinjokes | Soap, from what all I understand, VLC simply needs the user file, from any iTunes installation (from any computer) |
21:12:08 | The-Thilo | okay |
21:12:26 | Soap | dan_a: If you want any testing done, keep me in mind. |
21:12:47 | Nimdae | it supports AAC but i see no reference to DRM AAC |
21:13:10 | Terinjokes | nimdae, rockbox has no DRM support |
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21:13:48 | Nimdae | you said vlc plays itunes music in reference to being able to do it on rockbox |
21:13:51 | Nimdae | itunes music is DRM |
21:13:56 | Nimdae | or rather has DRM |
21:14:24 | Terinjokes | i hope rockbox (one day) could play the itunes DRMed songs |
21:14:34 | Nimdae | not likely to happen |
21:14:40 | Nimdae | to do so would require violating the DMCA |
21:15:05 | Terinjokes | i never said *officially* |
21:15:05 | jeffb | did you guys know you can truncate the apple firmware free'ing up more space in ram? |
21:15:20 | jeffb | I got it down to 1meg and it loaded successfully |
21:15:24 | Llorean | Why should it even unofficially support DRM? |
21:15:31 | Nimdae | it will never unofficially do it as long as it's a violation of the DMCA |
21:15:32 | Llorean | You should not buy DRMed music. |
21:16:11 | Nimdae | Llorean: rephrase: you should not pay for DRMed music, because you never actually OWN it |
21:16:34 | Llorean | That's better, yeah. |
21:16:36 | Nimdae | :P |
21:16:41 | Terinjokes | i'll just un-DRM it the legal way... |
21:16:49 | Nimdae | um |
21:16:52 | Nimdae | there is no legal way |
21:17:01 | Nimdae | removing DRM is a violation of the DMCA |
21:17:02 | Terinjokes | with that, I sign off, catch you later, good luck developers, bbl |
21:17:20 | Nimdae | i love the DMCA, it makes life so pretty |
21:17:28 | Llorean | Nimdae: You assume that he lives in the US, and with iTunes, burning a CD and reripping doesn't violate the DMCA. |
21:17:32 | Terinjokes | erm, use iTunes to burn a CD of the songs.... |
21:17:46 | Llorean | It would in most cases, but Apple gives written permission to do so. |
21:17:52 | Nimdae | Llorean: right, but that license doesn't allow you to make additional copies, IE: ripping the burned cd |
21:18:15 | Nimdae | microsoft/urge is the same way |
21:18:30 | Terinjokes | it allows a backup copy, if the orginal just happens to be deleted from the computer, i'll just use my back-up... |
21:18:38 | Llorean | Nimdae: Actually, Apple has told users to rip the CD in the past, for putting music on non-Apple MP3 players. I would say instructing a user to do it is "permission" |
21:19:02 | Nimdae | i'd have to see that before i'd commit to it |
21:19:12 | Nimdae | but i have heard of companies saying similar things |
21:19:24 | Llorean | Of course, it's not blanket permission. |
21:19:36 | Llorean | You'd have to get Apple to explicitly give you as an individual that instruction. |
21:19:38 | Nimdae | i had a video game company tell me to have a friend copy a game cd for me since my cd was damaged and they wouldn'ts end me a new copy |
21:20:10 | | Part Terinjokes |
21:20:47 | Nimdae | the only other way to replace the cd wsa to buy another copy and i told them i'd cancel my account with them if that was their solution |
21:21:26 | Llorean | Well, it was an MMO I assume then? |
21:21:26 | Nimdae | wow, vlc runs on beos? i didn't think beos was still around |
21:21:33 | Nimdae | yeah, it was a mmo |
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21:21:46 | Llorean | Yeah, I can see MMO companies giving that sort of instruction. |
21:22:16 | * | Llorean wishes battery benchmarks could be accomplished much more quickly. |
21:22:20 | Nimdae | that's one thing i like about steam (all the games you can get through it) and guildwars...no cd required to install |
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21:23:13 | Nimdae | it's a world of high speed connections these days, that needs to become the norm |
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21:25:51 | scorche | Nimdae: not having a cd for the games on steam can really suck sometimes, but this is getting pretty offtopic |
21:26:10 | Nimdae | yeah, that's why i decided to do something else |
21:26:47 | The-Thilo | mhh how i can fix this error : while booting ther is shown Rockbox error-1 loading the orginal firmware |
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21:27:04 | Llorean | The-Thilo: That means you haven't extracted rockbox.zip onto the player |
21:27:06 | Sanit | you guys know about the Diagnostics mode on the 5g iPods? |
21:27:09 | The-Thilo | mhh |
21:27:12 | The-Thilo | i have -.- |
21:27:18 | The-Thilo | the .rockbox folder ? |
21:27:26 | Llorean | And the rockbox.ipod file |
21:27:33 | Sanit | no, on apple firmware |
21:27:37 | The-Thilo | ahh |
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21:27:52 | The-Thilo | i think i havent copyd this file |
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21:28:10 | Llorean | The-Thilo: So, as I said, you didn't extract the rockbox.zip onto the player. |
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21:28:16 | The-Thilo | okay |
21:28:18 | The-Thilo | thx |
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21:28:45 | Llorean | Sanit: This is #Rockbox, not #iPod, the diagnostics mode isn't really something that is of concern. |
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21:28:48 | The-Thilo | i have also to copy bootpartition.bin ? |
21:29:11 | Llorean | The-Thilo: The instructions do not say to... |
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21:29:14 | Sanit | I tought it might have information in it you might need... Just trying to help |
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21:30:35 | tehsmo | hmm, can anyone help me with bookmarks in rockbox? |
21:31:06 | tehsmo | I set 'bookmark on stop' to Yes, and 'load last bookmark' to Ask, but it doesn't seem to ask when I play a file after having stopped it to play another one |
21:31:13 | tehsmo | it just starts at the beginning |
21:31:26 | The-Thilo | it works :) |
21:31:28 | The-Thilo | JUHU |
21:31:37 | The-Thilo | thanks to all who helped me ;) |
21:34:39 | tehsmo | hmm, indeed, there are no files named '.bmark' on the ipod |
21:36:31 | tehsmo | is this due to me using the database, maybe? |
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21:45:55 | The-Thilo | if rockbox is installed i cant load apple os anymore ? |
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21:50:49 | x1jmp | which of the rockbox devices have a USB host? |
21:51:07 | JdGordon | The-Thilo: no, turn hold on when booting... |
21:51:21 | JdGordon | x1jmp: the x5 and h300, but usb-host isnt implemented in rocbox |
21:51:22 | The-Thilo | ah ok thx |
21:51:47 | The-Thilo | what can i do with rockbox what i cant with apple os ? |
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21:55:50 | x1jmp | is there any other device with a host, to which a rockbox port is planned? |
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22:09:07 | tehsmo | The-Thilo: there's a features comparison on the wiki somewhere |
22:09:19 | The-Thilo | okay |
22:09:22 | tehsmo | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison#Apple |
22:09:35 | The-Thilo | where can i get tetris etc ? |
22:09:52 | Llorean | The-Thilo: Have you actually tried looking at the manual for answers *before* asking questions? |
22:09:59 | Llorean | For example, the plugin list? |
22:10:31 | The-Thilo | ouh sorry i didnt know that you are so angry if u have to answer something xD |
22:10:53 | Llorean | The manual was written so that you can find answers for yourself. |
22:11:00 | The-Thilo | okay |
22:11:03 | The-Thilo | thanks |
22:13:04 | The-Thilo | but the manual is english |
22:13:09 | The-Thilo | i cant really good english |
22:13:22 | The-Thilo | if i didnt understand something in chat i can ask again |
22:13:24 | The-Thilo | ^ |
22:13:26 | The-Thilo | ^^ |
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22:13:51 | x1jmp | btw what happened to tetrox? |
22:13:55 | x1jmp | it was in CVS but now seems to be missing |
22:13:56 | scorche | x1jmp: it was renamed |
22:14:34 | Llorean | The-Thilo: Asking after you read the manual is fine. |
22:15:05 | The-Thilo | you dont have to answer if it is so hard for you |
22:15:10 | x1jmp | tetrox replaced rockblox? |
22:15:18 | The-Thilo | @ llorean |
22:15:27 | scorche | x1jmp: tetrox was renamed to rockblox |
22:15:42 | The-Thilo | where i get this plugins ? |
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22:15:53 | JdGordon | The-Thilo: Llorean is proabbly the most patient person in the room, get on his bd side and its fairly likely your questino will get ignored |
22:15:56 | Llorean | The-Thilo: It's not hard, but we ask that *everyone* read the manual before asking questions. We have thousands of users, and a lot of people spent a lot of time writing the manual so that they could find answers for themselves. |
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22:16:32 | The-Thilo | okay |
22:16:48 | The-Thilo | i will read the manuall but understand nothing |
22:16:48 | The-Thilo | ^^ |
22:17:10 | scorche | glad to hear that you already made up your mind about that... |
22:17:23 | The-Thilo | not because the manuall |
22:17:30 | The-Thilo | i like open source etc |
22:17:32 | Llorean | It's very unlikely that we can explain anything better than the manual, since we too will be speaking English |
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22:17:49 | The-Thilo | i tink the write is very good and so one |
22:17:53 | The-Thilo | but i am not really good in english -.- |
22:17:53 | Terinjokes | There's no place like ::1 |
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22:18:24 | tehsmo | mmm. .I like the search function in the database, that's a nice touch |
22:18:26 | The-Thilo | i will not have fight with someone here |
22:18:28 | The-Thilo | so its okay |
22:18:36 | The-Thilo | i will google a bit ;) |
22:18:36 | dan_a | The-Thilo: Perhaps you could do the first German translation of the manual! |
22:18:38 | * | tehsmo needs to get more accurate with the click wheel, though. :) |
22:19:20 | The-Thilo | @dan_a so i have to understand english -.- |
22:19:30 | The-Thilo | how i can wisper to somebody ? |
22:21:10 | dan_a | The-Thilo: You have to understand the manual ;) And to whisper you do /msg |
22:21:46 | scorche | although on freenode, you have to be registered and identified before it will go through |
22:24:26 | Terinjokes | scorche, unless you've turned off that function in your mode |
22:24:50 | scorche | i realize that, but hardly anyone does... |
22:25:28 | dan_a | scorche: Some people do (or do it, then forget how to change back) |
22:26:09 | scorche | yeah, but it isnt worth mentioning for general knowledge |
22:26:23 | * | Terinjokes wonders how to change his mode |
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22:29:42 | * | Llorean hates having to make posts like that. =/ |
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22:32:06 | Terinjokes | ok, i've added some modes to my username :D |
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22:39:23 | JdGordon | does play not work in the vkeyboard on anyone elses ipod? |
22:40:32 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: whoops! |
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22:40:55 | Genre9mp3 | sorry about that... just give me some minutes to copy the text |
22:41:14 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: It's not a big deal, but one of the goals is to separate information from discussion, so there's never any need to sticky things and so people know where to go to actually look things up. :) |
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22:42:41 | Scottstone | hey i need help |
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22:42:56 | Scottstone | with doom on my ipod |
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22:43:04 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Ok... I was thinking more MR-ish when posting this :) I'll upload it to the wiki now, feel free to delete |
22:43:13 | Scottstone | Can someone help? |
22:43:28 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: No worries. :) I'll be deleting the whole thread now, is that okay? |
22:43:29 | dan_a | Scottstone: The Wiki probably can |
22:43:40 | Scottstone | but |
22:43:40 | Genre9mp3 | sure, go ahead |
22:44:02 | Scottstone | but when i plug my ipod to my computer, it doesnt come up as drive F it comes up as drive E |
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22:44:44 | Scottstone | what do i do? |
22:44:57 | dan_a | Use drive E instead of drive F |
22:45:03 | Scottstone | yeah but |
22:45:06 | Soap | sell me your ipod for $100 |
22:45:06 | Scottstone | inside theres no Games folder |
22:45:10 | Scottstone | liek it says |
22:45:16 | Scottstone | theres |
22:45:20 | Scottstone | Calender |
22:45:21 | dan_a | Scottstone: Then make a Games folder |
22:45:26 | Scottstone | i did |
22:45:27 | Scottstone | and i put |
22:45:30 | Scottstone | rockbox in |
22:45:32 | Scottstone | and doom2.wad |
22:45:39 | Scottstone | and it doesnt show up in my games |
22:46:14 | Scottstone | but, the weird thing is, that i have like 4 games on it |
22:46:16 | dan_a | When you say rockbox, do you mean rockdoom.wad |
22:46:24 | Scottstone | yea |
22:46:39 | JdGordon | can any ipod users replicate fs 6164? |
22:47:19 | Scottstone | so what am i doing wrong |
22:48:33 | Soap | JdGordon: I don't even understand it. |
22:48:49 | dan_a | Scottstone: What does it say when you choose "Game"? |
22:49:03 | Scottstone | what dio you mean? |
22:49:03 | Scottstone | like |
22:49:06 | Scottstone | on my ipod? |
22:49:17 | JdGordon | Soap: play music, then save your config with the menu item, if the bug happens it will load a new track intot he paylist |
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22:50:11 | Scottstone | when i go on my ipod, it has the games music trivia, brick, partachute and solitaire |
22:50:12 | dan_a | Scottstone: Yes, from the Doom menu |
22:50:15 | Soap | save config /while/ playing music? |
22:50:30 | Scottstone | doom isnt even on the list for some reason |
22:50:30 | JdGordon | actually it shuoldnt matter |
22:50:44 | dan_a | Scottstone: What about when you are in Rockbox? It won't work on the original firmware |
22:50:50 | JdGordon | Soap: the report is that the select actio happens after you quit the keyboard |
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22:50:55 | Scottstone | k its oike this |
22:51:10 | Scottstone | i go to games |
22:51:10 | Scottstone | doom isnt even on the list |
22:51:16 | dan_a | Scottstone: Reboot into Rockbox |
22:51:21 | webguest20 | Are anybody working on reversi for RB? |
22:51:28 | Scottstone | and when i open my iPod up in my computer, there isnt even a games folder |
22:51:38 | JdGordon | webguest20: dont think so... go for it :D |
22:51:40 | Scottstone | dan, what do you mean? |
22:51:56 | dan_a | Scottstone: Have you installed Rockbox? |
22:52:02 | webguest20 | I've heard there's a GPL code somewhere on the net |
22:52:11 | webguest20 | I'll take a look |
22:52:27 | Scottstone | the CVS build? |
22:52:43 | dan_a | Scottstone: Either CVS or the daily build |
22:52:47 | Soap | JdGordon: I created a playlist of an album (10 songs), from the WPS went "menu", manage settings, save congig, wrote the config file by pressing the play button, it went back to the menu, hit play to go back to the WPS, and the track was still playing. |
22:52:58 | Scottstone | well, no i havent |
22:53:01 | dan_a | webguest20: I don't think anyone is working on Reversi |
22:53:05 | Scottstone | do i save it onto my ipod? |
22:53:24 | JdGordon | Soap: ok, thanks |
22:53:28 | dan_a | Scottstone: Doom is a plugin for Rockbox, not a game for the original firmware |
22:53:38 | webguest20 | dan_a: ok. I'll look into it and report back if I find out anything |
22:53:45 | Scottstone | But i have rockbox.wad on my ipod |
22:54:00 | Scottstone | orr |
22:54:02 | Scottstone | rockdoom.wad |
22:54:19 | ydo | Scottstone: but you don't run rockbox, read the manual |
22:54:30 | webguest20 | dan_a: but I think it would be a nice plugin |
22:54:48 | Scottstone | so i need rockbox on my ipod? |
22:54:54 | ydo | Scottstone: yes |
22:54:54 | dan_a | Scottstone: Rockbox is an alternative firmware for several music players. Doom runs as a plugin for Rockbox. |
22:54:58 | dan_a | Yes |
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22:55:12 | Scottstone | ,but will it change how my ipod looks and runs..? |
22:55:19 | ydo | yes |
22:55:24 | Scottstone | so basically |
22:55:27 | Scottstone | its a new OS for it? |
22:55:29 | ydo | yes |
22:55:34 | Scottstone | .. oh |
22:55:42 | Scottstone | but is there a doom for the orig OS? |
22:55:45 | Soap | no |
22:55:46 | Llorean | No. |
22:55:55 | ydo | but there's one for uclinux as well ;) |
22:55:55 | Soap | slow Llorean |
22:55:57 | Scottstone | how does rockbox look |
22:55:58 | * | cd_rom wished |
22:56:01 | Scottstone | is there any pics of it? |
22:56:06 | cd_rom | lol |
22:56:15 | Scottstone | like running on an ipod |
22:56:21 | dan_a | Scottstone: Have a look at www.rockbox.org |
22:56:31 | * | cd_rom is handing over Scottstone his ipod |
22:56:38 | cd_rom | there you go! |
22:56:38 | Scottstone | im there.. |
22:56:44 | Soap | what runtime test are you doing now Llorean? |
22:56:46 | ydo | Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpodNano/green.png for example |
22:56:56 | Llorean | Soap: The newest coprocessor patch. |
22:57:06 | Scottstone | ok |
22:57:10 | Scottstone | i have ipod vid |
22:57:15 | Soap | Scottstone: all the screens you see with Album Art are unofficial and would require compiling on your part. |
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22:57:54 | dan_a | Scottstone: 80Gb? |
22:58:10 | Scottstone | no |
22:58:12 | Scottstone | 30gb |
22:58:30 | Llorean | Soap: I'm comparing it to without the patch to see if there are runtime differences. |
22:58:51 | Scottstone | but |
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22:58:52 | cd_rom | 80g is not supported yet, right? |
22:58:54 | Scottstone | if i do get rockbox |
22:58:59 | Scottstone | can i get rid of it? |
22:59:07 | dan_a | Yes |
22:59:12 | Soap | yes |
22:59:13 | ydo | you can even dualboot, choose OS at startup |
22:59:32 | Scottstone | really? |
22:59:37 | cd_rom | how? |
22:59:46 | Scottstone | alright so could someone tell me how i put rockbox on my ipod? |
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22:59:51 | tehsmo | also it's just about impossible to brick an ipod; you'll always have the emergency disk mode to fall back on for restore processes |
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23:00:31 | dan_a | Scottstone: It's in the Wiki |
23:00:36 | Scottstone | .link? |
23:00:50 | ydo | Scottstone: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
23:00:55 | cd_rom | should be from the site Scottstone! |
23:00:55 | ydo | oops.. not for nano, sorry |
23:01:30 | ydo | is the wiki more uptodate? |
23:01:36 | * | JdGordon is on a bug killing binge :p |
23:02:03 | Llorean | Scottstone: For installation instructions, actually, you should use http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta once you get to installing |
23:02:13 | ydo | I read somewhere the wiki was outdated (which seemed a little odd to me) |
23:02:25 | JdGordon | the wiki manual is... |
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23:02:44 | JdGordon | the wiki itself isnt |
23:02:52 | Scottstone | but i need to know how you can dualboot? |
23:03:02 | ydo | Scottstone: r e a d |
23:03:05 | scorche | that is in the FAQ |
23:03:36 | Llorean | ydo: The IpodInstallation wiki page was outdated because of the IpodInstallationBeta page. |
23:03:41 | JdGordon | ok, this si wierd.. i got some odd errors after my commit, do i need to worry (or tell someone) about them? http://rafb.net/p/SDYZrs69.html |
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23:06:09 | Scottstone | k guys though.. |
23:06:23 | Scottstone | if i want to to remove the OS but not my songs |
23:06:23 | dan_a | JdGordon: I'd say it looks like the commit mail won't get sent, but everything else is fine |
23:06:25 | Scottstone | how do i do it? |
23:06:53 | dan_a | Scottstone: It's in the instructions. Basically you run one command |
23:06:55 | Llorean | Scottstone: Is your iPod a windows iPod? |
23:06:59 | JdGordon | dan_a: ok, shouold i put that on the dev ml so bagder knows? or leave it? |
23:08:02 | Scottstone | yes Llorean |
23:08:17 | dan_a | JdGordon: I don't know - definitely do if it happens again |
23:08:17 | Llorean | Then what part of the instructions said you would have to erase your songs? |
23:08:22 | Scottstone | none |
23:08:23 | Scottstone | but |
23:08:24 | Scottstone | like |
23:08:34 | Scottstone | my parents get pissed if i screw up my electronics |
23:11:25 | cd_rom | then you shouldn't be doing it at all |
23:11:37 | cd_rom | no offence! |
23:12:01 | ydo | actually you could reset the device iirc from within itunes? |
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23:12:46 | Scottstone | yeah |
23:12:46 | Scottstone | but |
23:12:50 | Scottstone | id lose all my songs |
23:12:53 | Scottstone | and pics |
23:13:02 | ydo | back them up |
23:13:04 | dan_a | Scottstone: Why would you? |
23:13:16 | Scottstone | if you restore your ipod.. |
23:13:41 | Scottstone | i only want to do this if someone tells me exactly how to do it |
23:13:41 | Scottstone | because |
23:13:41 | Scottstone | im a dumbass |
23:13:45 | Scottstone | i never do things right |
23:13:45 | Scottstone | lol |
23:13:55 | cd_rom | then that's what the manual for |
23:14:00 | Scottstone | yeah |
23:14:01 | Scottstone | but |
23:14:06 | Scottstone | i suck at that |
23:14:12 | cd_rom | haha |
23:14:17 | Scottstone | btw |
23:14:17 | Scottstone | cd |
23:14:23 | Scottstone | off topic: were you cg_rom? |
23:14:34 | dan_a | Scottstone: So you can't read a list of instructions unless someone is in IRC typing them to you? |
23:14:41 | dan_a | WTF? |
23:14:48 | Scottstone | dan_a: that is correct |
23:14:48 | Scottstone | XD |
23:14:53 | cd_rom | i shoul tell you that you should learn to read first! |
23:14:54 | cd_rom | :D |
23:14:57 | scorche | ... |
23:15:12 | cd_rom | this guy is pretty hilarious! |
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23:15:37 | dan_a | Scottstone: OK, I've typed really quickly. Check the log here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
23:15:45 | ydo | yes, haven't seen anything like it in a while :) |
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23:16:06 | Scottstone | hahah |
23:16:10 | * | cd_rom nods toward ydo |
23:16:25 | Scottstone | but seriously though |
23:16:28 | Scottstone | which do i want |
23:16:36 | Scottstone | bleeding edge build or daily build? |
23:16:43 | * | Scottstone :) |
23:17:01 | Soap | dan_a FTW. |
23:17:21 | dan_a | Scottstone: There's very little difference (24 hours at the most,) so get bleeding edge |
23:17:23 | ydo | Scottstone: daily |
23:17:28 | ydo | :) |
23:18:08 | Scottstone | doily doesnt work |
23:18:18 | Scottstone | but |
23:18:19 | Scottstone | bleeding does |
23:18:22 | Scottstone | ive got all the fiels now |
23:18:53 | dan_a | Soap: I've been seeing Sansa users complaining that not reading instructions doesn't work for the last few days. I've almost achieved the patience of Llorean! |
23:19:04 | ydo | why isn't there any stable releases in over a year? there could at least be a beta? |
23:19:42 | tsuyoshi | alright.. back from my parents' house |
23:19:43 | Llorean | dan_a: I think there's a small bonus to Sansa users: Once their device is 100% unusable, they're not likely to come back. |
23:19:52 | scorche | haha/// |
23:20:00 | tsuyoshi | now to install arm cross compiler and disassemble firmware |
23:20:03 | Llorean | ydo: How is a beta a stable release? |
23:21:02 | Scottstone | wtf my rockbox dl didnt have the fonts in it |
23:21:06 | ydo | Llorean: do you have several branches in cvs? isn't there ppl commiting stuff that is questionable and half-done? |
23:21:09 | dan_a | ydo: There was a list of criterea made for the next stable release, which included getting rid of certain bugs. Unfortunately the evil developers were more interested in adding new ports and new features and new bugs than bugfixing so we never got there |
23:21:17 | Llorean | ydo: There are no branches in CVS. |
23:21:32 | ydo | Llorean: true, switch to svn ;) |
23:21:50 | Llorean | ydo: That's planned for about two weeks from now |
23:21:55 | ydo | cool |
23:22:02 | dan_a | Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta#a_Download_rockbox_zip_and_rockb |
23:22:06 | Llorean | Maybe |
23:22:11 | Scottstone | i got a different address.. |
23:22:27 | Scottstone | from Llorean |
23:22:34 | dan_a | Scottstone: HOW?! |
23:22:57 | cd_rom | Scottstone: i don't think you are serious at all |
23:22:57 | Llorean | ydo: There was a feature freeze working toward a 3.0 release, but a few significant mistakes were made in how we began the freeze (for example, we planned to add features DURING it, just specific ones) and so we eventually had to cancel the freeze due to loss of focus, only a few developers were still pounding at the bugs. |
23:23:26 | Llorean | ydo: As well, the were a playback code rewrite, but we lost the person who'd done most of that to significant real-world stresses, and nobody else really stepped in to finish stabilizing playback. |
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23:24:22 | dan_a | Llorean: So for the next attempt at doing a release, we need to make sure that no-one has any Real Life getting in the way! |
23:24:40 | tsuyoshi | or do a real freeze |
23:24:56 | Llorean | dan_a: The primary thing would be not planning to rewrite the playback engine during the freeze, I think. :-P |
23:24:57 | tsuyoshi | real life never actually stops, after all |
23:25:04 | ydo | you need at least two branches and need to commit early and often |
23:25:19 | Llorean | ydo: We seem to have survived fine without that so far. |
23:25:19 | ydo | lalala.. configuration managment cliches, I'm sure you know what I mean |
23:25:22 | Llorean | So I'd hardly say "need" |
23:25:23 | ydo | :) |
23:25:31 | dan_a | tsuyoshi: I was joking :) |
23:25:38 | tsuyoshi | oh ok |
23:25:44 | Llorean | Version numbers are an artifact of the unwashed masses and are unnecessary for our work to proceed. :-P |
23:26:05 | Llorean | Besides, when we do release a 3.0, everyone is going to shout forth a resounding "THAT'S IT?!" |
23:26:17 | Scottstone | k guys serious prob now |
23:26:34 | Llorean | Because people can't get it through their heads that the major version number increment is in relation to 2.5, not in relation to the current CVS state, because DUH, the current CVS state is basically an alpha of what may become 3.0 |
23:26:35 | Scottstone | that ipodpatcher thing i need to dl |
23:26:47 | Scottstone | i open it, a dos thing coems up for about half a sec, then closes |
23:27:03 | ydo | Scottstone: click start, run, enter "cmd" |
23:27:09 | Llorean | Scottstone: Follow the INSTRUCTIONS. Don't just click on things. |
23:27:13 | dan_a | Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta#b_Opening_the_Command_Prompt_or |
23:27:51 | ydo | Llorean: how many developers are you, I looked at the credits yesterday, it was something like 248? |
23:28:13 | scorche | ydo: i think somewhere around 60 now |
23:28:14 | Llorean | ydo: I'd say there are about 15 active core developers, at a rough guess. |
23:28:16 | dan_a | ydo: Those are people who have contributed. |
23:28:28 | ydo | I don't mean to complain, it just a pity if time is wasted mailing around diffs... |
23:28:41 | * | Llorean wonders why they'd mail around diffs. |
23:29:25 | Llorean | I mean, yes, in some cases, .diffs have to be exchanged. |
23:29:25 | Scottstone | bah |
23:29:25 | Scottstone | screw it |
23:29:26 | ydo | cause they want to try things out on other ppl devices before commiting it to the trunk? |
23:29:37 | Scottstone | i was only gonna use it to play doom like once |
23:29:45 | Scottstone | too many instructions |
23:29:54 | ydo | Scottstone: you can play .ogg too :) |
23:30:16 | Llorean | ydo: The simulators can be used for most non hardware specific stuff, and most hardware specific stuff only needs to be tested on one or a small sample of devices, since it's hardware specific. |
23:30:37 | Llorean | ydo: But there's also the patch tracker. If a developer is uncertain about a patch, they post it, and others try it. |
23:30:58 | Scottstone | wtf is .ogg |
23:31:11 | Sanit | Vorbis |
23:31:22 | debauched_sloth | are there known issues running the simulator on a 64-bit linux box? |
23:31:51 | debauched_sloth | I'm crashing loading codecs - some load and play fine, but others fail and all seem to corrupt memory |
23:32:38 | ydo | Llorean: but if several people want to code on the same things at the same time? |
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23:33:19 | dan_a | ydo: CVS deals with that |
23:33:21 | Llorean | ydo: If two people are working on the same thing at the same time, usually isn't that a sign of poor communication? Or do you just mean "touching the same file"? |
23:33:38 | amiconn | debauched_sloth: mp3 (i.e. libmad) is known to have 64 bit problems |
23:33:41 | ydo | but do not want to disrupt the trunk, and work could be going on for months.. and the the trunk changes in these places.. the two or more developers need to do a huge cvs up and deal with integrating that.. its a hassle |
23:33:50 | amiconn | Most others should work fine |
23:33:55 | debauched_sloth | ogg seems to be corrupting memory, but it is closer to working |
23:34:05 | ydo | dan_a: no.. CVS is very bad at that.. bitkeeper is much better imho |
23:34:05 | debauched_sloth | mp3 is very NOT working |
23:34:13 | amiconn | Last time I tried, ogg was playing fine |
23:34:38 | Llorean | ydo: So, what you're saying is that the whole time you were working, you wouldn't resync with CVS once? |
23:34:38 | debauched_sloth | ogg plays, but then I get glibc memory corrupted skipping to next track - loading codec |
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23:35:12 | dan_a | ydo: I've never used Bitkeeper - I use CVS for getting/committing Rockbox, and Git on my own machine to take care of the different things that I'm working on. |
23:35:15 | ydo | Llorean: not if the changes were so heavy it made no point |
23:35:25 | ydo | git is ok |
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23:37:53 | ydo | well.. nice chatting with you, need some sleep now |
23:39:13 | cd_rom | sleep away! |
23:39:14 | cd_rom | :D |
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23:41:49 | Soap | should I? |
23:42:05 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
23:44:06 | Llorean | Soap: Aye, that's well representative of a good portion of our user base, but with slightly less patience than average |
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23:47:13 | dan_a | Llorean: Less? Are you sure?! |
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23:48:18 | Llorean | dan_a: The average user has enough patient to get Rockbox running, then say it looks like crap, get Doom running, say the controls suck, I think. |
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23:48:40 | Llorean | patience |
23:48:47 | Soap | don't forget the middle steps. |
23:49:01 | Soap | "Where can I get .wad files?" |
23:49:08 | jeffb | heh |
23:49:12 | Soap | "Where can I get gameboy roms?" |
23:49:18 | jeffb | so I guess I have more patience? |
23:49:19 | tsuyoshi | this one is hilarious: I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard. |
23:49:22 | yossa | Doom controls suck, but I can't fix them :( |
23:49:29 | yossa | on sansa |
23:49:37 | Llorean | I do have to say though, that anythingbutipod.com users have caused me great fear in what we'll see an influx of once Sansa has sound. |
23:50:27 | Soap | so the sansa is brickable? |
23:50:29 | tsuyoshi | oh this scratchbox thing is cool |
23:50:33 | Llorean | Soap: Yes. |
23:50:47 | dan_a | yossa: Sorry, your patch had slipped my mind |
23:51:12 | Llorean | Soap: Only if you replace the Sandisk bootloader, or write random files to it in recovery mode. |
23:51:17 | Soap | it is an inexpensive player. That alone is going to change the demographics. |
23:51:31 | Llorean | Soap: Neither of which do you even come CLOSE to doing unless you completely disregard the install instructions and just do random stuff. |
23:51:59 | Soap | I'm thinking of picking one up. Recording possibilities? |
23:52:05 | Llorean | Built in mic. |
23:52:07 | Llorean | FM radio |
23:52:22 | yossa | dan_a: don't get to it just yet. It would appear that it is incomplete. Once fully working and playable versions are done, I will update the patches. Not for doom though (at least anytime soon) |
23:53:00 | yossa | well I guess the solitaire one is working as good as it will ever get. |
23:53:02 | Llorean | Soap: I'd say if Rockbox gets fully implemented on it, it'll make a very nice recorder. |
23:53:20 | Soap | Line in, not just internal mic? |
23:53:22 | Scottstone | ok guys |
23:53:27 | Scottstone | i have rockbox on my ipod |
23:53:39 | Scottstone | how di i make it so i can choose my stuff at the start |
23:53:44 | Llorean | Soap: I'm not sure if it's by way of headphone socket, or dock port, but I'm almost sure there is one. |
23:53:44 | dan_a | yossa: OK - give me a poke when you think that anything is ready for committing |
23:53:51 | yossa | allright |
23:54:00 | Scottstone | Llorean, when you have a min, could you tell me how to make it so its like dual thingy |
23:54:14 | Soap | it is dual boot by default, Scottstone |
23:54:43 | Scottstone | no |
23:54:47 | Scottstone | it auto loads rockbox for me |
23:54:50 | Soap | it defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware. |
23:55:05 | Juice^ | i tried the dual booting stuff on my sansa last week, and it just showed me some errors when i tried to boot to sansas orig firmware, was that a known problem thats been fixed? |
23:55:15 | Llorean | Juice^: It works fine for me. |
23:55:26 | dan_a | Juice^: It probably means you've not decrypted the OF |
23:56:08 | Juice^ | ah. yep thats right. i need to run the decrypting tool |
23:56:13 | Juice^ | i forgot :) |
23:56:31 | Scottstone | guys help! |
23:56:41 | Scottstone | how do i make make it dual boot |
23:56:46 | Scottstone | it auto starts up as the rockbox os |
23:57:07 | dan_a | Scottstone: [22:54] <Soap> it defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware. |
23:57:51 | Scottstone | ok |
23:57:56 | Scottstone | sweet thanks guys! |
23:58:01 | Scottstone | wheres the doom tut?? |
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23:58:07 | Scottstone | i wnat to put doom on my ipod now |
23:58:07 | Scottstone | lol |
23:58:36 | yossa | In other news, my friend has actually travelled to China, and being the entrepreneurial guy he is, he managed to contact an electronics manufacture owner who would like to invest in our country. |
23:58:55 | Llorean | Scottstone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
23:59:01 | Scottstone | thanks llorean |