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#rockbox log for 2006-12-26

00:00:51ASiDiEmaybe I will just stick with my iriver..
00:01:07ASiDiEplay movies... and does just what I want it too
00:02:34lostlogicASiDiE: you cna get at least a 30 if not a 40g drive for it for ~200
00:03:17Llorean40gb for $189.99
00:04:35lostlogicfor the 5mm drive?
00:04:39lostlogicwow, those have come down.
00:05:47LloreanThe MK4009GAL
00:05:56LloreanIt tempts me for my H120
00:06:23lostlogicdamn, makes me want a h120->40
00:08:08LloreanI keep thinking that the drive of the size I want is about the right price, then a new drive shows up and I think "I'll wait for that to come down"
00:09:38lostlogichehe, how hard is it to change drives in a ipv, anyone know?
00:09:43lostlogicI could use 10 more gigs in my 5g
00:09:58*Llorean doesn't know.
00:10:11*cd_rom googles for the manual
00:10:16linuxstblostlogic: Just buy yourself an 80GB 5.5g...
00:10:34lostlogicnot that rich this month
00:10:35Lloreanlostlogic: And then get Rockbox working on it for us. :-P
00:11:34*cd_rom nods
00:12:55dan_alostlogic: (going back to the COP subject) I did tests a while ago where I did a logf() if the codec thread was running on the CPU instead of the COP - and it was, at least some of the time. It might be worth trying that instead if the if(CURRENT_CORE == COP) since playback will still work if the thread is on the wrong core.
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00:14:05lostlogicdan_a: *nod* I'm just trying to find how it would switch cores by code analysis, becaues that's more my style than experiment.
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00:16:28RaverDaveI was wondering why I cannot see the pluginzxbox, the spectrum emulator, in the list of plugins,or am i meant to??
00:18:23LloreanRaverDave: It's a viewer plugin, as it says on the plugin page
00:19:43cd_romrockbox source code is written in C?
00:19:59linuxstbC with a small amount of assembler.
00:20:46cd_romi like to work on something but i think i need to learn C first!
00:21:22cd_romnite all!
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00:21:44ydohmm.. how do I sleep?
00:22:16ydoon an ipod nano that is
00:22:32dan_aydo: Put it under your pillow?
00:22:36linuxstbYou don't sleep, you power-off by holding PLAY/PAUSE for a couple of seconds.
00:23:45ydook.. but bootuptime.. is there any plans on implementing sleep?
00:24:52ydo4s bootuptime.. not that much :)
00:24:59bagawkydo: nothing for rockbox really has a definate "will do by this date"
00:25:19bagawkIt is really up to the developers leisure, and interest
00:25:59linuxstbydo: I think the interest would be in decreasing bootup time even further.
00:27:10*dan_a wonders whether we can turn on cache earlier now with the new bootloader (for loading Rockbox, at least) to decrease bootup time
00:27:11ydooh, of course, I'm really happy I found this project and will rtfs any day now.. but now its time to sleep
00:27:42Lloreanlinuxstb: I think Rockbox from Bootpartition is almost as fast as I could ask for, though I guess Rockbox from Flash *could* be even faster.
00:28:07ydois it possible to profile?
00:28:24ydoor debug? perhaps through remote-gdb?
00:29:04linuxstbI think the WPS reading is one of the main ways we could speedup boot time.
00:29:18*Llorean agrees.
00:29:28LloreanThat's actually a good chunk of boot time isn't it?
00:29:46linuxstbydo: Yes, there is profiling code in Rockbox. You can use remote-gdb on targets with a serial port...
00:30:44ydoserial port huh ;)
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00:31:11ydowell.. ty and bye
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00:40:46RaverDavesorry yes,so how do i get a spectrum game going please? using the zxbox...
00:41:27LloreanRaverDave: It's a viewer plugin. Have you read the PluginZXbox wiki page?
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00:43:07RaverDavei been reading the manual,boy its big!takes some sifting through
00:43:37LloreanRaverDave: You just click on spectrum files
00:43:38tehsmonote to self: unmount your ipod before unplugging the usb
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00:44:19RaverDavewell,i tried putting a few roms in a folder i had named spectrum in the root of the ipod,but the folder doesnt show
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00:47:15Soaphow many folders/files do you have in root?
00:47:54Soapare you in filetree mode or Database mode? Are you sure you are in the filetree and not the Menu?
00:48:25linuxstbAnd are you sure you created the folder in the root, and not in .rockbox for example?
00:49:19RaverDavewait..i am loosing my mind,i think i never created!i must of got drives mixed up,i bet it got saved on the damn digital camera drive
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00:50:28RaverDaveoh boy,thats a shame,sabatuer doesnt work! :( ... is there a list of what spectrum games work?
00:50:48[Gino]Can I puse a plugin that uses sound (such as Doom or the Metronome) and listen to music at the same time? O
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00:51:03Soaptry it ;)
00:51:22RaverDaveso its the same for gameboy then huh,you just put the roms in a folder and select em,as with spectrum
00:52:40linuxstbRaverDave: I think it's limited to 48K Spectrum games, but the wiki page _should_ say.
00:53:10RaverDaveyes,i think i just realised i got the 128k version of sabateur
00:54:41hotwire_I don't suppose anyone here can post on the main front page the news re gigabeat sound?
00:55:03tehsmoyay, dosfsck seemed to work well
00:56:36spugthe norwegian language file isn't up to date with the cvs, i can just change it, right?
00:56:56spugcvs says it's 4 weeks old, so unless that's just a "4 weeks or more", i guess someone is updating it regularly
00:56:57Lloreanhotwire_: Is Gigabeat sound in CVS yet?
00:57:26hotwire_Llorean: nope. Still in fork status.
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00:57:43Lloreanhotwire_: Then wouldn't it be odd to announce it on the official page, if it's not in the official repository?
00:57:45hotwire_but if that's the requirement, good to know.
00:57:57AghasterA quick question, is video playback now supported in rockbox?
00:57:59*linuxstb is still waiting for the traditional "Gentlemen,..." email
00:58:00LloreanI don't know if there's a requirement
00:58:04LloreanIt just seems odd for me.
00:58:12LloreanA Gentleman, ... email is also customary, yes
00:58:29linuxstbAghaster: Yes, _video_ playback has been in Rockbox for a while..
00:58:40Aghasterin which formats?
00:58:41hotwire_Makes sense. There are some rockbox builds for the gigabeat floating around that readers of the gigabeat irc channel have been playing with.
00:58:53Aghasterwhat, not playback on an iPod video. playing videos.
00:58:56Aghasterjust to make sure
00:58:57linuxstbMPEG-1, and MPEG-2 video elementary streams.
01:01:25hotwire_linuxstb: what email is this?
01:01:48RaverDaveright,i got the game loaded,but hell i cannot get to play it,must have to setup the controller somehow
01:03:22linuxstbhotwire_: It's a tradition started here: and continued by everyone who has got sound working on a new target
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01:06:11*linuxstb notices the first email to the Rockbox mailing list was in December 2001 and guesses we missed Rockbox's fifth birthday...
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01:08:20lostlogicblagh, I don't see any place where a thread clearly gets put on a list that belongs to the other core, but it must be in there.
01:08:43amiconnlinuxstb: You're not the first one to notice...
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01:09:20*amiconn noticed that on Dec 17, when we missed rockbox' 5th anniversary by 10 days
01:12:11bagawk5 years... wow
01:13:59lostlogichave we started planning devcon 2007 yet, speaking of years :-P
01:14:53bagawkI remember using the led blinker on my player
01:15:06Soapyea devcon 2007 has been booked.
01:15:16Soapwill be in Columbus Ohio, since I can't travel.
01:15:25SoapI'll provide lodging and baked goods.
01:15:42SoapI don't dev either, but I can watch,.
01:15:49Soapand bake cakes.
01:16:02lostlogicmaybe this year we should do a US and EU devcon, video-linked
01:16:14Soapa video of a pie isn't as sweet
01:17:11*dan_a wonders if we could hold devcon in Austin, Texas. At around the same time as SXSW...
01:17:54dan_aSouth By Southwest. It's a band showcase, with several hundred gigs over a week or two.
01:18:34linuxstblostlogic: Don't forget our Australian colleagues...
01:18:52lostlogicwell what about the asians then?
01:18:57lostlogicand southamericans
01:19:00linuxstbAre there any?
01:19:04lostlogicbeats me
01:19:18lostlogicwho's from AUS/NZ?
01:19:21linuxstbWe should have map...
01:19:35amiconnlostlogic: JdGordon at least
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01:20:19bagawkhave a US devcon in Oregon, after all Linus Torvalds and Greg KH themselves live here :)
01:20:25lostlogicoh, yeah, we can't forget him, he's one of my heros.
01:20:49lostlogicbagawk: but... we're not linux...
01:21:20bagawklostlogic: well, open source
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01:22:11AghasterI wonder if many people use my Esperanto translation of rockbox.
01:22:34lostlogicvast majority still in EU, guess we'll just hafta get our travelin' shoes on.
01:23:27linuxstbQuick Rockbox question, to increase the main stack (for Coldfire and ARM), do I just change the 0x2000 in line 175 of
01:24:16amiconnYes, but take care of iram size
01:25:02linuxstbI just noticed that....
01:25:18amiconn8KB stack is quite large imho
01:25:43amiconnMost ohread's stacks are smaller
01:25:58Aghasterare the new iPod nanos supported yet?
01:25:58amiconnMost other thread's
01:26:20*amiconn blames the Ins key
01:26:26spughmm, is LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK in english.lang supposed to be deprecated? both the desc and source are empty
01:26:41linuxstbamiconn: I'm trying to run the old mpa2wav plugin, and I'm getting crashes on my ipod, and stkov on the h140. So I'm wondering if it's really a stack overflow, or something else going wrong.
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01:28:04linuxstbAghaster: No, the new Nano is about as far as the Zune is from being supported. (a long, long way).
01:29:50dan_alinuxstb: The Zune is based on the i.MX31, for which there is a 2000 page reference manual on the Freescale website. Once we get past firmware encryption, the Zune should be easier than the new Nano!
01:30:35linuxstbOK, so the Nano is even further away than the Zune...
01:31:45newt`I'm tempted to buy a zune to play
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01:32:27linuxstbdan_a: Do you know if the Gigabeat S has the same encryption?
01:32:32muesli-newt` what makes u that foolish?
01:32:46linuxstbThe same reason he bought the 80GB 5.5g...
01:32:55newt`I got the 80gb 5.5 for free
01:33:09linuxstbBut you're paying for it now...
01:33:14dan_alinuxstb: I don't know for sure. I think I've read that it has.
01:33:59newt`muesli-, no I got it from work
01:35:04muesli-i wouldnt buy any ms crap
01:35:45muesli-maybe the 4th or 5th gen would make sense
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01:36:56muesli-but i admit its quite hard to choose for a player right now
01:37:01x1jmpdo iPods have USB OTG?
01:37:13linuxstbIn theory.
01:37:40lostlogicdan_a: I'm testin' to see if the CURRENT_CORE macro ever reports weird during execution of the cop_counter by having cop_counter be an array type thingus.
01:37:45linuxstbI believe the hardware is there, but the Apple firmware doesn't support it, apart from a limited camera connectivity.
01:37:50x1jmpand in practical? via accesoires?
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01:41:21dan_alostlogic: That sounds like it should help. I'm tempted to do some tests from before Slasheri's priority scheduling update and see how things work
01:41:36lostlogicdan_a: I run w/o priority scheduling any way
01:41:49lostlogic(had to make 2 commits today to make it run that way ;))
01:42:16*linuxstb also tried compiling an ipod build without priority scheduling yesterday...
01:42:29*linuxstb cheated and disabled recording.
01:43:01lostlogicshoot, I forgot to increment the line to print, so can't see what I'm printing.
01:43:31dan_alostlogic: There were other changes to support the infrastructure for priority scheduling, such as having the threads in linked lists.
01:43:56lostlogicdan_a: ahh, good point.
01:44:14lostlogicI hadn't really looked at the threads in detail before the commit, forgot they didn't used to be LLs
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01:46:42jbahey gang is there any reason why it's got to be file browser mode or database? why can't we have database view as another menu item?
01:46:51lostlogicwell the counter only counts on the COP part of my counting array, so that's a good sign, I think... now I add a yield.
01:46:54linuxstbOK, libmad now seems to use too much stack to run in a plugin... Increasing the stack size (and moving the stack out of IRAM) fixed my crashes.
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01:46:56jbai need browser mode to watch vids/pictures but need database mode to play music
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01:48:05*dan_a tries to work out which plugin would need libmad...
01:49:03linuxstbIt's going to be a fight for IRAM.
01:49:09dan_a:D That will make a lot of people happy!
01:49:45dan_aDon't several of the PP targets have more IRAM than we actually use at the moment?
01:50:00linuxstbYes, the Nano, 5g and 2nd Gen Mini have 128KB.
01:50:50linuxstbBut my own main target for mpegplayer is the Photo.
01:51:25lostlogiceven with a yield, it still only counts on the cop, now, sleep...
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01:53:29RedHey all, quick question: I have an H10, and playback is intermittent. Cuts out for a second every 30 or so. I think it may be the cpu not being able to keep up, is there a low-resource wps I could use that would help? Or any other ideas?
01:53:57barrywardellRed: try a wps without peakmeters. iCatcher is a good example
01:54:04lostlogiceq, peakmeter, dsp all make slow
01:54:44RedI'm using engineer2, all it has is scrolling text, still having problems
01:55:25linuxstbWhat kind of files are you playing?
01:55:33barrywardellhave you got the equalizer turned off?
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01:55:55Redmp3, 128k, most are constant
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01:56:04lostlogicwith a sleep(1) in the cop_counter, it stops counting after one loop (ie on the first sleep)
01:56:28lostlogicand now I must go to Christmas dinner... but audio still works with the counter frozen'd
01:56:29Redi'll try turning off eq, see if that helps
01:57:02RaverDavexmas dinner @ this must be in america or something
01:57:12dan_alostlogic: Enjoy your dinner. Grep the sources for COP_CTL = PROC_SLEEP in either kernel.c or thread.c when you get back, and comment it out.
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01:57:44linuxstbBTW, is mpegplayer working on the Sansa?
01:58:34dan_alinuxstb: Not in CVS. I need to implement an lcd_yuv_blit()
01:58:45dan_aBut with a nasty hack it can work.
01:59:10linuxstbYou mean using the SIM code?
01:59:43dan_aYes - works like a charm
01:59:49linuxstbAt what speed?
02:00:02RaverDavecan i just ask, the spectrum emulator seems fine with 2 frameskip,but of course it has no sound,the gameboy emulator is slow as hell but has sound, so if the spectrum emulator had sound it would also be slow as hell right??
02:00:19RedI think I'm good to go, thanks a ton guys
02:01:16dan_alinuxstb: I don't know - how would I find out? test_fps() won't work until I find a way to block lcd_update from returning until the update is complete.
02:01:49linuxstbmpegplayer has an option to display the fps.
02:02:05linuxstb(although with full-screen video it just flashes onscreen....)
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02:04:17dan_alinuxstb: Just building/testing now.
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02:22:42Soaplinuxstb: ?
02:23:22Soaplinuxstb, would it be possible (easy) to add an error message to ipodpatcher that tells the exact error when it encounters an HFS+ drive?
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02:24:28linuxstbIt would mean detecting an Apple Partition Map.
02:24:51Soapthat's cool then
02:25:45Soaptwo people (who I /thought/ could read) failed to ensure their HFS+ ipods were FAT16 before trying today, and ipodpatcher just didn't do anything.
02:27:51linuxstbI would quite like to implement it sometime, as well as the option to convert from HFS+ to FAT32. But it's not a high priority.
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02:50:13dan_alinuxstb: Elephant's Dream at 176x128 plays at about 30fps
02:51:00linuxstbI think that's similar to the ipods, maybe a little faster.
02:52:58linuxstbAnyone know how to fix linker messages like "undefined reference to `__umodsi3'" ? (in a plugin)
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03:01:15Kingsqueakany suggestion for a frozen iPod , to get it unstuck, iPod video g5, frozen solid with backlight on, doesn't seem to respond to anything and isn't visible to linux at this point either
03:01:37JdGordonhold menu+select for abou 10s
03:01:55Kingsqueakthat got it, thanks man
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03:14:41metateckwhat possibilities are there that my ipod will be completely destroyed when i try to install rockbox?
03:14:56metateckit looks like if the firmware got messed up i could just restore it from itunes
03:15:01metateckbut what about the bootloader?
03:17:44RaverDavei have just installed it,its ace man..
03:17:57metatecki know i really want to
03:18:09metateckbut is it possible to restore the boot loader if that some how crashed?
03:18:14RaverDaveyes!you really do!!i am playing doom on the ipod atm
03:18:50metateckbut that doesnt answer my question
03:19:12linuxstbmetateck: The bootloader is just stored on the hard disk, so an itunes restore will wipe it.
03:19:21RaverDavei think you can?! wait for someone else to answer,i am as new as you,and to be hinest,i wouldnt want that itunes crap back..ever
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03:19:31metateckthe bootloader is stored not on the harddisk
03:20:02linuxstbmetateck: The Rockbox bootloader is.
03:20:03linuxstb(on the ipods)
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03:20:28metatecki thought it replaced the ipod bootloader on the cf card?
03:20:55metateckoh i guess it could just replace firmware
03:21:00metateckinstead of the bootloader
03:21:02metateckok im convinced
03:21:11metateckthanks for talking me into it linuxstb
03:21:48linuxstbThere is an Apple bootloader in flash, which normally loads the Apple firmware from disk. The Rockbox bootloader attaches itself to the Apple firmware on disk, so the Apple bootloader runs it.
03:21:55metateckokk coo
03:22:24metateckRaverDave, i was already convinced it was cool, just worreid about problems with it. i couldnt install it without my question being answered
03:23:06RaverDaveyeh ok,i wasnt as caution..whateva as you,but then again i couldnt have given a toss if itunes were wiped off the planet
03:23:34RaverDavenever mind from my ipod
03:23:39metatecki was worried about destroying my ipod on the first day
03:23:43metatecknot itunes
03:23:45metatecki hate itunes
03:24:09RaverDaveits understandable i guess,i have had mine a while now i think
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03:27:03RaverDavejust let me know if you need more help anyhow.i have just installed stuff and that so my brain is frsh atm, i have got spectrum games running for instance
03:27:31RaverDavebut dont tell the zombies
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03:39:21metateckso now that rockbox is installed, is the old ipod firmware gone, or can i still boot to it?
03:39:45linuxstbTurn the hold switch on as you reboot to start the Apple firmware.
03:40:55metateckturn it on at the POST?
03:41:48metateckit still loads rockboc
03:42:05Soapthen you toggled the hold switch on too late.
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03:42:39metateckahh i see
03:42:48metateckim so satisfied.
03:43:14RaverDaveits great innit..i felt pretty good also
03:43:35metateckhow do i go back to rockbox now? same thing?
03:43:52RaverDaveand i dunno everything yet,i just woke up this morning wanting to install linux on the ipod then came across this amazing thing
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03:44:10RaverDavei presume start with the lock switch off
03:44:19metateckyou have to
03:44:59RaverDavedo you know how to reset the ipod yet? you have an ipod video right?
03:45:12RaverDaveor 5th gen as they are called
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03:45:23metateckim just reading the manual
03:45:28metatecki should have done that before bugging you guys
03:45:37metateckhold select and menu to reboot into rockbox
03:45:45RaverDavejust hold menu and the middle button down together for 5 secs or so
03:46:38RaverDaveits ok..i never read anything also,i bugged these lot earlier
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03:47:43RaverDaveright,i am off to be..good luck with it all metateck! you should enjoy it
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03:47:49metateckbye RaverDave.
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03:51:07metateckapple did the scrolling better, i miss the accerlating scrolling
03:52:59linuxstbThat just isn't implemented yet in Rockbox.
03:54:07metateckok good.
03:58:17Kingsqueakanyone that worked on this, thanks! somehow I never saw this project until tonight and it 'fixes' many things I didn't like about the stock iPod
03:58:35metatecksuch as?
03:58:38metateckim just curious
03:58:46Kingsqueakparametric EQ is a major one for me
03:58:46metatecki installed it 10 minutes ago
03:59:04Kingsqueakit actually works well and the frequencies are pretty accurate as well as the 'Q' widths
03:59:43Kingsqueakgetting rid of the insane iPod folder hierarchy was another major bonus, I only use linux, don't even have a Win machine so dealing with that is a pain
03:59:57metateckthat would bug me
04:00:01KingsqueakI'd rather just copy files over
04:00:13metateckyeah i hate itunes
04:00:49KingsqueakI was using gtkpod, but I'm just not a fan of being bound into a GUI
04:01:06metatecki want a gui
04:01:20metateckim browsing wps files now
04:01:26metatecki wouldnt mind if i had a keyboard
04:01:54Kingsqueakoh a GUI on the iPod itself, yeah that's o.k. just didn't like having to use gtkPod....though it worked well
04:03:20Kingsqueakthe stock iPod EQ settings were so horrible, this is really great
04:03:34metatecki havent listened to music yet with it
04:03:40metatecki actually dont even know how yet
04:03:51KingsqueakI was a sound engineer for years, so being able to just poke out the frequencies I already know I want adjusted is fantastic
04:04:36Kingsqueakanyone know, does the EQ in rockbox affect line-out feed as well as the headphone out?
04:04:48metateckisnt that the same?
04:05:14KingsqueakI *think* that's a hardware restriction in the iPod, as far as the signal path
04:05:25Kingsqueakno, line-out is what you get via the dock connector
04:05:38Kingsqueakit's a fixed gain level output, doesn't go through the headphone amp circuit
04:05:40metateckoh i didnt think about those
04:05:47metateckthe only thing i dock to is my computer
04:06:11KingsqueakI'll be using this with a headphone amp and have dock connectors coming to make my own line-out cables for that
04:06:14Cazovwell...this is inconvenient
04:06:18Kingsqueakit's also handy for car use
04:07:59metateckdoes this still play video?
04:08:20KingsqueakI don't believe so, I never use that anyway
04:08:33metatecki do for diggnation podcasts
04:09:20Soapplays only mpeg 1 and 2 elemental video streams.
04:09:26Soapno sound yet.
04:09:47metatecki guess i can still just use the appleware for that
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04:16:40SoapRockbox is all about the pure audio.
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04:39:08ChRiIiShey all juz quick question will rock box play .avi files or divx files ?
04:41:09Soapnot at this time.
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04:41:55ChRiIiSis there sumthen or differnt program like rock box that will play them bc im bored of the same old skins on my iriver
04:43:43ChRiIiSim guessing ure not allowed to link me or tell me but can u change the skins with out rock box installed ?
04:43:56Soap"not allowed"?
04:44:27SoapMysticriver would be the place to ask about that.
04:44:35ChRiIiSk thanx for that
04:44:44Soapthis is not exactly a room full of original firmware lovers.
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04:45:53Cazovoh, I love the original firmware on my iaudio. It was so stable, no random crashes at all.
04:46:42ChRiIiSlol tru tru
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04:55:42Cazovlooks like the LCD screen on the M5 IS a varitronix one
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05:10:10nickv111Hey. Is the Nano 2nd generation ever going to work?
05:13:49JdGordoneventually.. hopefully
05:14:41nickv111I don't own one, but I have a friend whom I'm trying to convince to use Rockbox
05:14:48nickv111But he has an iPod Nano 2G
05:15:10scorcheit will be a while
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05:20:11doopyhow long is it gonna be until 2nd gen ipods are supported by rockbox or ipodlinux?
05:20:48scorcheno way to tell
05:20:55scorcheand i cant answer for ipl
05:21:25scorchei can tell you that it wont happen if things keep going as they are with no one stepping up that wants to make a port happen
05:22:11doopyI do, but im not as good with C as probably is required
05:22:24scorchethen get to learning! ;)
05:23:26*doopy looks online at his local library for a book on C
05:23:51scorchei recommend *the* C book, but it might be a little heady for beginners
05:24:10scorcheat least, that is the one i hear being recommended each time..heh
05:24:12CazovA Book on C is decent
05:24:22Cazovit is pretty dry though
05:24:39doopywell I can do C and C++ fairly well but I still don't understand the more advanced concepts
05:26:42doopyhaha all the links at the bottom are broken
05:26:48doopybut I can fix that...
05:33:28PaulPositionCazov - A book on C ?!?
05:34:22Cazoveh, I like it :p
05:34:45Cazovthough I've found different people have very very different views on which books they like for learning C
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05:37:29PaulPositionCazov - Isn't it a bit, like, outdated? I haven't dabbed a lot with C, but I never, ever saw code where function parameters where defined outside of the function declaration and it's definition.. (I mean, like 'function fooBar() intx; {//do something} )
05:38:24Cazovhmm...that version sounds more outdated than the one I have
05:38:33Cazovthough I do admit that there are portions that are pretty dated
05:38:46PaulPositionCazov - But yeah, the structure of the book is quite good, mybe I just have a waaaay old copy. (well I actually do, so. :p )
05:39:14CazovI believe they have an up to date copy but I'm too cheap to pick it up; the one my mom used in college is good enough hehe
05:40:38PaulPositionWish I didn't just 'understand' that stuff.. Seems I can read through 50 lines of code, but over that and I get lost. Way too distracted, I have real serious attention deficit problems.
05:41:17PaulPositionCazov - You trying to tell me the one I have from college is older than your mom's ?? lol
05:41:25Cazovit's possible, I'll check
05:41:47Cazovmine was published in 1984
05:42:24Cazovweird...I ended up with an extra screw
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05:43:27PaulPositionThere's nothing weird there, extra screw appearing from nowhere is expected behaviour with any technology.
05:43:37CazovI suppose
05:43:45CazovI'll take it with me next time I dismantle this thing
05:44:07Cazovwhich may be tomorrow...if the soldering iron is still up there in the lab
05:44:16Cazovthen I can take some scans of the PC board too
05:44:32PaulPositionHehe, cool. What device are you taking apart?
05:44:38Cazovdamned LCD screen has some contacts soldered to part of the main board
05:44:43CazoviAudio m5
05:45:13CazovI want to play mp4 files on I am contributing what I can to this project :)
05:46:09PaulPositionCool. Good luck with it.
05:47:12Cazovas long as I can manage not to break things I think I'll be fine :)
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06:23:37lostlogicdo I understand correctly that the dirbrowse function that is called as part of the main() initialization on the primary core never returns until shutdown?
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06:33:28inteliwaspi was just caching up on the recent changes for the ipod, is there now native usb support now?
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07:40:41tychversoap:I'm interested well then you can tell me
07:41:04tychverman, I've had a few too many stellas
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07:42:06lostlogichmmmm, disappointing. I think I'm finally realizing some minimal performance gains by using the COP on ipod, but as amiconn suggested, the main problem might be memory performance giving us not as impressive as we'd hoped gains.
07:42:09xxabsentxxAnyone awake?
07:43:25lostlogicsleep hacking here.
07:44:32tychverlostlogic: throughput or latency?
07:46:36lostlogictychver: intuititively throughput
07:46:43lostlogicbut I'm no memory controller expert
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07:50:42xxabsentxxQuestion, if nobodys busy, on the manuals section... the ipod mini 2nd gen is a 2nd gen nano, right?
07:51:04tychverit's a little early to draw conclusions but that could mean that we will struggle with playing 320x240 mpeg2 with sound
07:51:07TheCollectorthe mini was a line before the nano
07:51:16xxabsentxxI hadn't seen the mini so I wasn't sure.
07:51:40xxabsentxxI hate to sound like a noob, but I am with iPods.
07:51:52TheCollectorxxabsentxx: it;s ok
07:52:02xxabsentxxI'm the tard who got one for christmas. ;)
07:52:18*JdGordon_ is playing the find-a-decent-linux-distro game again :'(
07:52:28TheCollectorJdGordon_: Slack ;)
07:52:32JdGordon_xxabsentxx: if you don want it ill have it....
07:52:32lostlogicJdGordon_: gentoo, still works for me :)
07:52:48tychvergentoo :)
07:52:51JdGordon_tried gentoo once, 20 hhuor compile didnt really do it for me :p
07:52:53xxabsentxxI'm new to iPods, but not to stuff like this... Trying to bone up on what I can do with it.
07:53:22tychverwell there are binary packages for it now
07:53:26tychverI use the KDE binaries
07:53:35tychvertakes far too long to compile for my liking
07:54:06TheCollectorJdGordon_: what are you running now?
07:54:48JdGordon_TheCollector: kubuntu 6.10 untill an hour ago, formatted coz it annoyed me, debian etch now
07:54:52lostlogicJdGordon_: I think for people who are accustomed to spending some time each week doing sysadmin tasks Gentoo makes a lot of cents, if you want a plug and forget about it distro it's not for you though.
07:55:23JdGordon_i'd stay with etch, but its not quite ready yet
07:55:28tychveryeah that's true, usually it's painless, but updates to large packages can take a couple of hours to fix
07:55:41TheCollectorJdGordon_: ah - I ran debian for about a year and a half until apt just made me mad
07:56:07tychverand you moved to slack?
07:56:35TheCollectorI got tired of apt's dependency mgmt.
07:58:12tychverso you moved to a distro without any dependancy management?
07:58:38TheCollectorat least this way I cause the frustrations ;)
07:58:56TheCollectorI think Slack with OpenBSD's package management is what I'd really like to see
07:59:43tychverthat's pretty much gentoo :S
08:01:28TheCollectornah, BSD allows for binary packages, iirc
08:01:33scorchethere is swaret too
08:01:49Cazovgentoo has binary packages
08:01:59tychverCazov beat me to it
08:02:13Cazovwell, more specifically portage&
08:02:19tychveralso, I used to use openBSD on my server before I moved to gentoo
08:02:24Cazovfor all its bloat, portage is a pretty nice package manager
08:03:07tychverfeatures wise portage is the nicest CLI package manager, it's just slow as a drunk sloth
08:03:37TheCollectorI fiddled with gentoo once, but the install was just way too much of a pain
08:03:41tychveralso gentoo now has a basic gui installer
08:04:06Cazovyeah, the install can be a pain the first few times
08:04:45tychverI've only used the GUI gentoo installer once but it pretty much dumps a stage 3 install and a generic kernel on there for you
08:04:50tychverthe rest is up to you
08:05:03Cazovthat's convenient
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08:07:27tychvergentoo's current problem is that it lacks the manpower to test all packages and sometimes relatively stable things take a while to filter down in the "stable" list
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08:16:53Cazovthat certainly is true
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10:08:13amiconnlinuxstb: __umodsi3 is part of libgcc (unsigned modulo operation); I wonder how the linker can be unable to resolve that...
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10:10:06daurnimatorhey JdGordon
10:10:19daurnimatornot much
10:10:22daurnimatorhome from work
10:10:34JdGordonspeaking of which....
10:10:37JdGordonme needs a job :p
10:10:58daurnimatorwhat are you studying?
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10:11:07scorcheJdGordon: you arent alone...
10:11:10JdGordonsoft eng
10:12:20daurnimatori'm sure you can find some job
10:12:27daurnimatoryou want part-time or cas?
10:13:00JdGordoni dont _want_ any... :p
10:13:03*JdGordon likes being a bum
10:13:45daurnimatorif you want to be a bum
10:13:49daurnimatorscalp on ebay
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10:14:09daurnimatorcan make ALOT of money
10:14:55daurnimatori've got friends that buy 2 tickets, keep one for themselves, and sell the other to pay for their's + beer money
10:15:04JdGordonneed to have money to start that tho
10:15:20Cazovbeing a bum is quite the noble profession...
10:15:41daurnimatorJdGordon: yeah - but. it pays for itself after that
10:15:55daurnimatorthe big one to look out for is falls festival
10:16:02daurnimatorbuy for $90 in april
10:16:03JdGordonanyway... back to rockbox talk....
10:16:11daurnimatorsell for $400 each in september
10:16:12JdGordonany objection to fs 646 from anyone?
10:17:15JdGordonfs 6464 sorry
10:17:27Cazovwhat kind of fancy filesystem (?) is that?
10:17:59Cazovyeah I don't know, I'm on vicodin, don't listen to me :p
10:18:40Cazovin fact...I am going to sleep now, 'night :)
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11:17:28swartzFor the iPod, do I have to keep Apple's firmware?
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11:24:00linuxstbamiconn: i fixed that problem by changing the order of the libraries in the linker command. Putting -lgcc last fixed it (previously, -lmad was last). I don't understand though...
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11:33:20JdGordonlinuxstb: do you rekon it would be ok to commit fs 6464? (replace the current playlist with a new folder/file/etc?)
11:33:43JdGordon.. or anyone else even
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11:54:14linuxstbdan_a: Should the create_thread_on_core() be working in current CVS (if I increase NUM_CORES to 2) ?
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11:55:29daurnimatorJdGordon: just give me some old thing that can run rockbox :P
11:55:45dan_alinuxstb: I think so - I'll just check through Barry's last patch and see that there was nothing else that needed to be added
11:56:04JdGordondaurnimator: shhuoldnt you be proting it to the archos you have?
11:56:20daurnimatorbut... i just don't want to anymore
11:56:33daurnimatori have everything i want on it now cept wavpack & ogg
11:56:50daurnimatorif i use rockbox, i won't be ablt to use the awesome stuff i already have
11:56:51linuxstbWhich Archos do you have?
11:57:01daurnimatorgmini 402 is my day-to-day player
11:57:35linuxstbDoes archopen run on that?
11:58:11*linuxstb found it impossible to find information on the archopen site
11:58:23daurnimatori can direct you around if you want
11:58:28daurnimatoror maybe just answer your Qs
11:58:34dan_alinuxstb: No, it isn't - we haven't got a kernel running on the COP in CVS yet.
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11:59:06linuxstbI was simply trying to find out a) Exactly what medios is - i.e. is it a complete firmware replacement like Rockbox, or does it use parts of the existing OS; and b) What devices it works on, and how well each one is supported.
11:59:41JdGordonand pendig those answers.. ill swap my h320 for it if you want :D
11:59:57daurnimator1, depends on device, previously yes, but on newer devices, no one has bothered with a bootloader, and people have used the original firmware as a launcher
12:01:12linuxstbBut when medios is running, does it then replace the existing firmware. i.e. does medios contain drivers for all the hardware itself?
12:01:41daurnimatoryes, it does
12:02:40linuxstbI also saw a link to a firmware downgrader for the 402 - does that mean you have to run an older version of the Archos firmware in order to use medios?
12:02:43daurnimator2, Archos: JBMM, AV1XX, AV3XX, Gmini 400, Gmini 402, Gmini 402CC, AV400
12:03:30daurnimatorYes, the most stable exploit works best on firmware 1.3.11. We can run it on other firmwares, but it sometimes crashes for no reason during medios boot.
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12:06:00linuxstbdaurnimator: OK, thanks.
12:06:18daurnimatorJdGordon: temp swap would be fun'
12:06:42daurnimatorlinuxstb: you planning on doing anything with their code?
12:06:56daurnimatorthey DO have code in there for dm320 stuff ;)
12:07:46linuxstbI'm thinking about maybe possibly considering a 402 port. A dm320 port would open up a lot more targets to Rockbox.
12:08:56linuxstbApart from medios, we will also have whatever code Neuros can/will open.
12:10:12daurnimatorheh, i can also help with that
12:10:21daurnimatoreverything is out there that they legally can
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12:15:10dan_alinuxstb: Now that Llorean has done a battery test, I don't see anything holding us back from putting kernel-on-cop in CVS. Do you?
12:15:57linuxstbNo, I say commit.
12:16:06*Llorean agrees.
12:16:32linuxstbMainly because there's lots of us currently working on it.
12:16:32daurnimatorlinuxstb: have you looked at their src?
12:16:46linuxstbdaurnimator: Only very briefly.
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12:17:38daurnimatorif you want to have a go at something basic, gligli's site has basic code that runs (not medios - just little apps)
12:18:19clownishhi. i have an gerneral question about the iriver h10 with rockbox... can i load it while playing or will this cause problems?
12:18:54scorcheload what while playing?
12:19:16linuxstbdaurnimator: I think I remember that site. Do you have a link?
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12:20:08clownishscorche: the battery:/
12:20:37daurnimatorlinuxstb: grab this:
12:20:43scorchedoesnt the device run off the battery?
12:21:09daurnimatorits a little toolchain thingy for making apps that just run on the arm side
12:21:12linuxstbclownish: You mean charge the battery whilst playing?
12:21:21daurnimatorand the trick to make them into the exploit
12:21:32clownishlinuxstb: yes thats it. sorry my english is not realy god
12:22:09JdGordonusb 2.0 seems to be stuffed o my computer :'(
12:22:28daurnimatorJdGordon: what OS?
12:22:37JdGordonlinux and windows
12:22:54daurnimatorit used to work?
12:23:00JdGordonrmmod ehci_hcd makes the usb device work, but only at 1.1 speeds...
12:23:04JdGordonworked up till last week
12:23:16JdGordonusb 3-5: device descriptor read/64, error -32
12:23:21daurnimatorand you didn't uninstall the drivers? ;)
12:23:53JdGordoni get unrecognised device in windows, so i actually tihnk the hardware is stuffed
12:25:36daurnimatortried other ports?
12:26:27daurnimatorgot a pci card to test?
12:26:44JdGordonno :(
12:27:03daurnimatori'd help you.... but i use mine
12:27:21clownishlinuxstb: so can i charge it while playing?
12:27:27daurnimatorwait, i think i took it out and gave it to a friend
12:29:06LloreanWow, the build table is almost as clean as I've seen it in a long while.
12:29:16cd_romclownish: you mean play your ipd (listening to the music) and charging it at same time?
12:29:33Lloreancd_rom: He has an iRiver H10
12:29:38cd_romoh, i see
12:29:51cd_romthen i don't know. Never own one :'(
12:29:52Lloreanclownish: You should be able to hold a button while inserting the USB cable, but I cannot remember which button.
12:30:23daurnimatorJdGordon: you wanna swap iriver/archos for a week or so
12:30:31clownishcd_rom: yes, but its a iriver h10
12:30:52clownishLlorean: hold the button for what?
12:30:56cd_romclownish: [11:29] <cd_rom> then i don't know. Never own one :'( | :D
12:31:15clownishcd_rom: oh, sorry
12:31:24cd_romit's okay!
12:31:45JdGordondaurnimator: going on holidays next week so i need my iriver... but mayber later in jan
12:32:01daurnimatorheh, actually, i'm in the same position
12:32:12Lloreanclownish: I said I don't remember which button to hold. But if you hold it down while inserting the USB cable, it should prevent USB mode, and allow charging while using Rockbox.
12:32:40daurnimatori'm going to qld on 2nd
12:33:00JdGordonim goign t lakes entrance on the 2nd
12:33:04clownishLlorean: ah okay. but i dont mean the usb cable just the normal ac-adapter(?!)
12:33:12JdGordonmm... qld... nice n warm
12:33:35Lloreanclownish: What happens when you plug it in normally?
12:33:53*JdGordon wonders if plugging the front panel usb ports into the motherboard wrongly would affect the rest of the pots?
12:35:07clownishLlorean: nothing... the red light of the ac goes on...
12:35:23LloreanSo, why do you think it's not charging?
12:35:53cd_romJdGordon: i don't know about that, but if you match the wires wrongly, you will at worse fry any devices plug in
12:36:03cd_romi did it once
12:36:25JdGordonI thought maybe the data pins were backwards.. pulling the cables didnt effect it so i guess they were correct
12:36:45*JdGordon realises everythin stopped working when i cleaned and rebuilt the comp on monday
12:37:19cd_romJdGordon: upgraded your comp? :D
12:37:32JdGordoni wish :p na, cleaned out the dust
12:37:43clownishLlorean: i hate my english. i try to ask if its save to charge while playing. btw, whats happen when i dont turn the ac off when battery is full (because im not at home or something)?
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12:38:46cd_romJdGordon: sorry to hear that!
12:39:44Lloreanclownish: The charging should be hardware controlled. It is safe.
12:40:40clownishLlorean: okay.. thank you... sorry again
12:41:12LloreanNo problem.
12:42:59dan_alinuxstb: I'm just going over this patch again. So far I've always used a common current_tick across the two cores (it gets incremented by the timer interrupt on the CPU). Is this correct? Or should each core keep its own tick count?
12:43:20linuxstbI can't think why you would need two tick counts.
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12:43:51dan_aThat's OK then.
12:45:48daurnimatorlinuxstb: did you get that zip?
12:46:12linuxstbdaurnimator: Yes thanks, but I haven't looked at it. I'm working on other things now...
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12:47:22dan_aCan someone quickly confirm that doesn't break iPods or H10s?
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12:51:49dan_abarrywardell: Good morning! Would you be able to do a quick test for me on your H10?
12:51:56barrywardellyeah, sure
12:52:07barrywardellan good morning to you too!
12:52:58dan_aI'm about to commit the patch to get a kernel running on the COP. Can you test that doesn't cause horrible problems?
12:54:30barrywardellok, i'll test it now. is it based of the one in the tracker? or something else?
12:55:24dan_aIt's the one in the tracker without making the codec thread run on the COP, but with current_tick moved to IRAM.
12:55:49dan_aIt doesn't seem to boot on my Sansa, though. Hmph.
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13:05:32barrywardelldan_a: rockbox doesn't boot with that patch applied
13:09:11dan_aI can't see why it doesn't, though. Meh, it's fine if I #define NUM_CORES to 2
13:10:19barrywardellis CURRENT_CORES a proper define in kernel.c?
13:10:31barrywardellor should it be CURRENT_CORE or NUM_CORES?
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13:11:44dan_abarrywardell: Nice catch, thank you. It should be NUM_CORES
13:12:49barrywardelli'll see if that fixes things
13:15:34barrywardellstill doesn't boot
13:21:00barrywardelldan_a: is there any need to add the cop_irq_stack yet?
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13:23:13dan_abarrywardell: We run the timer interrupt on the COP (as well as the CPU), so it's possible that the stack is being used. I think I need to check the disassembly to see that.
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13:25:03barrywardellah, ok.
13:25:12barrywardelldan_a: i think you missed a bit in config.h
13:25:53barrywardellor was that intentional?
13:26:28dan_abarrywardell: The bit to change NUM_CORES to 2?
13:27:01barrywardellyes, and to define CURRENT_CORE to be current_core()
13:27:30daurnimatorhow do you convert a video for upload to youtube (windows)?
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13:28:32LloreanWouldn't that be something you just check at their site for?
13:28:52dan_abarrywardell: I'm going to set that before committing (it was an error on my part, but I don't want to commit it until it will work with NUM_CORES = 1)
13:30:35daurnimatornope :P
13:31:19JdGordonI have a fix for fs 6270 (no voice in sound menu), the problem is that pcmbuf_set_low_latency() is called before the menu is run. the fix I did was just reimplement menu_run() in the sonud_menu()... should i ifdef that for only SWCODEC? or not worry aobut it?
13:33:03dan_abarrywardell: I think I've found the problem: I was waking up the COP even if we only wanted to run on one core.
13:33:59barrywardelldan_a: i was just about to suggest the same thing. i'm about to tet
13:36:39barrywardelldan_a: using the original cop_main() if NUM_CORES <2 boots fine :)
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13:38:09dan_abarrywardell: I've done it by only doing the COP_CTL = PROC_WAKE in init() if NUM_CORES is 2
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13:39:12barrywardellboth should do the same thing. but what happens if something else wakes the cop?
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13:42:11dan_aGood point. Nothing seems to, but I'll do it your way for safety. Does playback work correctly with NUM_CORES set as 2 and CURRENT_CORE correctly defined?
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13:44:03barrywardellyes, playback works. i don't see a main thread on the cop though
13:45:22dan_aDamn. Can you see and difference between my patch and yours apart from in playback.c?
13:46:08JdGordonanyone with an ipod around?
13:46:42barrywardellno, but now that I think about it, I don't think I always got a main thread with my patch either
13:46:54JdGordoncd_rom: the yes/no screen... does it ask for the wrong button to accept?
13:47:35cd_romwhat yes/no screen?
13:47:50JdGordonhold down select on a dummy file and go delete
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13:48:04JdGordonLlorean: ping?
13:48:12barrywardelldan_a: while we're on the subject of the cop. does the cache need to be invalidated every time the cpu/cop sleeps/wakes?
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13:48:32cd_romJdGordon: give me few sec
13:49:38dan_abarrywardell: As long as the CPU and the COP are not using the same variables, I don't think so.
13:49:52cd_romJdGordon: Select = yes, other = No
13:50:15JdGordonpressing select cancels it tho right?
13:50:37cd_romconfirm! :D
13:50:52JdGordonhmm... select is the better button for yes than play isnt it?
13:51:32cd_romyes, imo
13:53:27JdGordonscorche: ping?
13:54:01LloreanJdGordon: Present.
13:54:20JdGordonhey, select shuold be used for accept like the screen says right?
13:54:30JdGordonor shuold the accpet mesage be changed?
13:54:41LloreanI say, change the key.
13:54:57JdGordonright, on its way
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13:55:23LloreanSelect makes sense as a "confirm" button, at least to me.
13:56:04JdGordonalso means no code is needed to handle scrollwheel mis-presses
13:56:19LloreanThat too
13:57:09JdGordon2 bugs down... another hundred odd to go :'(
13:57:16barrywardelldan_a: indeed, i don't see a main thread on the cop with my patch. i do remember seeing it at one stage though
13:57:36JdGordonLlorean: what do you tihnk about 6464?
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13:59:09dan_abarrywardell: If there isn't a main thread, that means that things aren't working correctly. I'll hold off on committing just now, but if you work out what's stopping it working then feel free to put it in
13:59:33dan_a(It might be something as small as needing another thread before the main thread will show up)
13:59:40LloreanJdGordon: I think that I like it, other than the "Replace" name. I prefer something like "Play Next" as that, to me at least, suggests that playback won't stop, but will continue onto the new selection rather than through the current list.
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14:00:36JdGordoni agree... its ready to commit, play next is better than replace?
14:00:44JdGordonwont that be cofusing with insert next?
14:00:51JdGordon.. or maybe not
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14:01:51LloreanMaybe "Restart Next"?
14:02:57JdGordonhmm play next sounds better..
14:04:07LloreanReplace just sounds to me like it'll interrupt playback, replacing the current song with the selected one.
14:04:28LloreanWhen you "Play" a song by clicking on it, it starts a new playlist, so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next.
14:05:29JdGordonrestart sounds odd tho. That really sounds like it will interupt playback
14:06:41JdGordon"so "Play Next" seems to me like it'll start a new playlist, next." <- well thats bassically what it does
14:07:02LloreanThat's why I suggested Play Next first. :-P
14:07:02JdGordonso that wording works?
14:07:04LloreanFor me, yes
14:07:07JdGordonforgive me.. its 12.06am here :p
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14:11:29jbahey guys
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14:12:12jbai asked this earlier so appologies for the repost, but... Is there a way to have database running as a separate menu option? The mains reason is so that I can play music using genre's and still browse to images and movies
14:12:19jbamight be that I'm using rb incorrectly though
14:12:36JdGordonnot yet
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14:13:53jbathe easiest way to do it would be to load database into ram and have it a menu option, while still keeping rb proper in browser mode
14:17:59jbahey you guy still want a picture of rb on a gigabeat
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14:49:14Hdaackdacan I use the Loader 2 with my ipOD video (5.5g 30gb)? or only the rockbox bootloader works?
14:49:55JdGordon.. i tinhk :p
14:50:14cd_romJdGordon: you fixed that select button?!
14:50:20JdGordoni did
14:50:56HdaackdaJdGordon: the latest compiled cvs has it? (fixed select button?)
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14:53:02Hdaackdaumm, but the changelog shows the chages were made on 26 dec, the CVS build is only there for 25th..
14:53:50barrywardelldan_a: it was enabling frequency scaling that made the main thread appear. i haven't figured out why
14:53:59JdGordonHdaackda: your american right?
14:54:08Hdaackdanah, pakistani
14:54:19Hdaackda(but the times showed are in GMT)
14:54:43JdGordonyou clock is wrong... its the 26th
14:55:18barrywardelldan_a: that's using the cpufreq4 patch from the tracker on top of your kernel-on-cop-for-commit
14:55:57Hdaackdamine is showing the 26th. The one on the says the latest cvs is compiled on 25th
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14:57:21Hdaackdaanyways, just downloaded the latest "bleeding edge download" :)
14:58:07*JdGordon is confused...
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14:58:21JdGordonHdaackda: the version string in rockbox says the 25th?
14:58:57JdGordonhaha odd...
14:59:00JdGordonwhich build?
14:59:04JdGordontarget i mean
14:59:07Hdaackdaumm, wait
15:00:05Hdaackdathe link on the mainpage for the latest download for ipiod video is:
15:00:33Hdaackdathe latest cvs build is:
15:00:59JdGordonwhich link on the main page?
15:01:13Hdaackdathe DAILY build is correct. 26th
15:01:25JdGordonmaybe you need to refresh ro soething?
15:01:45Hdaackdahere (for the first one).
15:01:50Hdaackdayeah i think i need to.
15:01:55JdGordon always points to the latest cvs
15:02:42Hdaackdag2g check it out. thanks man
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15:21:47Tommmohiya is any1 having trouble downloading the latewst relases?
15:21:53Tommmoor is that just me?
15:22:26Tommmocant update my h10 rockbox
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15:27:00barrywardelllostlogic: with all versions of the kernel-on-cop patch, i only get a main thread on the cop if i remove the ipod_set_cpu_frequency() from system_init()
15:29:17barrywardelllostlogic: i also get a LOT more responsiveness when running the codec on the cop and with the eq on
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15:59:49lostlogicbarrywardell: hmm
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16:07:16lostlogicbarrywardell: which player are you? on my 5g I definitely get a main thread.
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16:07:41barrywardelli have a sansa too but haven't done much testing on that
16:08:17barrywardellthat line is only ever reached if frequency scaling is disabled, which is the case on the h10
16:08:25barrywardellbut not the 5g
16:11:36lostlogicbarrywardell: just wrap that call in a if (CURRENT_CURE==CPU)
16:11:45lostlogicbecause it should only be done once
16:12:09lostlogicand it's getting called a second time when the 2nd core tries to start up which prevents the main thread from finishing and getting to it's wait loop.
16:12:13barrywardellgood point. i'll test that now..
16:12:31lostlogic(fixing my typo, of course)
16:12:51barrywardellactually, it's already wrapped in if(CURRENT_CORE==CPU)
16:17:46lostlogicgah, so it is.
16:17:57lostlogicthat's... odd.
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16:27:41lostlogicI wonder if dan's last comment about needing another thread is where we should look −− I had a feeling that thread_init didn't really initialize the threading API completely *rereads*
16:27:52barrywardelllostlogic: using the code for cpufreq4 inside ipod_set_cpu_frequency() makes me have a main thread again
16:28:27barrywardelllostlogic: i currently only have 1 thread on the cop - the main thread
16:29:15lostlogicooh, cool!
16:30:03lostlogicwell hopefully this'll all hit CVS soon and we can start hacking on optimizing the codec thread for running alone and reducing memory thrashing.
16:30:37barrywardelldid you see dan_a's patch he wanted to commit to CVS? it just creates a thread on the second core
16:31:28barrywardellthe only thing stopping him committing it was that the main thread wasn't running on the cop on my h10, but he was happy for it to be committed after that was fixed
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16:47:09lostlogicyep, I read the backlog
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17:04:32metateckhow do i install a theme?
17:04:56metatecki tried just copying everything in the zip to the themes folder and playing the .cfg but that didnt seem to work
17:05:11metateckand the manual doesnt really help on installing themes
17:07:19Genre9mp3only the .cfg file must be in the themes folder
17:07:22trithemiusThey go into .rockbox on your ipod.
17:07:37metatecknot into the themes folder?
17:07:47metateckoh nevermind i just figured it out
17:07:59Genre9mp3the .wps file and the folder with the bmps must be in the wps folder
17:08:06trithemiusThey tend to be inconsistent in how they unpack.
17:08:23Genre9mp3don't forget to install the fonts pack btw
17:08:35metateckthere is just one right?
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17:10:20metateckthats a bad link
17:10:29metateckbut i installed the fonts pack already
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17:11:58barrywardelllostlogic: can you test this patch">
17:12:18Genre9mp3oh... it's because there were problems with the server these days
17:12:25barrywardellwhen you're testing, make sure to disable adjustable cpu freq in config-xxx.h
17:13:17barrywardellit's dan_a's patch with a couple of bugs fixed and with a new ipod_set_frequency()
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17:15:18lostlogicwill test w/ and w/o.
17:16:35barrywardellgreat, thanks. you're looking for a just main thread on the cop. and for things to be working generally as before the patch (eg music playback, ets)
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17:18:36stevenI've installed rockbox on an iriver h10 and it's great! The next step is to connect that device within amarok, any suggestions are welcome
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17:19:06barrywardellsteven: you can just use your h10 as a regular disk when using rockbox on it
17:20:11barrywardelljust make sure it's in ums mode and copy files over.
17:20:15cd_romwhat? you can install amarok in to your iriver h10?
17:20:27barrywardellcd_rom: no
17:20:39barrywardelli think he wants to use amarok to sync his music
17:20:56cd_romi was almost faint when i saw that!
17:21:00lostlogicoh, you didn't tell me that I hafta change NUM_CORES my damn self
17:21:40stevenbarrywardell: I've done that in ums mode to install rockbox, but if anyone has experience with using that device under amarok with rockbox as firmware, don't hesitate to shout it out
17:23:20barrywardelllostlogic: oops, sorry. forgot about that bit.
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17:31:56lostlogicbarrywardell: well on 5g, w/o adjustable frequency it runs at 11mhz or something insane like that and so doesn't really work... but since we don't run the 5g w/o adjustable cpu freq I'm not too worried about that
17:34:00barrywardellok, so it runs at least
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17:34:32barrywardellhow can you tell how fast it's running? just by the ui performance?
17:38:24lostlogic11mhz is the default frequency defined in config-ipodvideo.h and therefor the frequency reported on the audio thread screen... but mostly the performance
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17:40:22barrywardelllostlogic: my ipod_set_cpu_frequency should change the frequency to 11mhz. looks like it's not getting run on you ipod for some reason...
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17:40:48lostlogicto 11mhz?
17:41:04barrywardellno, to 75MHz
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17:44:19barrywardelllostlogic: if ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is not getting run a all then that would explain why you were always getting a main thread on the cop while I was only getting one once I fixed up ipod_set_cpu_frequency();
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17:50:31lostlogicbarrywardell: yeah, that method seems not to apply to the 5020
17:50:59lostlogicbarrywardell: er no, HATE
17:51:22lostlogicwhatever, I'm in ifdef hell
17:51:36*barrywardell is in ifdef hell too
17:52:03barrywardellipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for PP5020, ipod_set_cpu_speed() is for PP5002
17:52:20lostlogicyah, so set_cpu_frequency should be called on 5g and h10
17:53:40barrywardellyeah, should be. and should set the frequency to 75MHz. are you sure there's nothing else causing the sluggishness (eg. eq or something)?
17:54:01lostlogicquite −− it was slower than unboosted.
17:54:06lostlogiceven before I hit play
17:54:48lostlogicplus, I run w/o priority scheduling, so the music woudl skip not the UI sluggish if it was running at normal speed
17:55:09barrywardellset_cpu_frequency() is for when frequency scaling is enabled. ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is for disabled and only gets called once (in system_init())
17:56:00barrywardellwas the performance like that previously with frequency scaling disabled? or is it the new ipod_set_cpu_frequency()?
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18:00:30lostlogicbeats me, I'll revert and try
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18:13:01lostlogicbarrywardell: with the old ipod_set_cpu_frequency and no adjustable, it is full speed UI, but still reports 11mhz in the audio thread screen.
18:15:02barrywardellthe number in the audio thread screen is just a hardcoded value read from config-*.h iirc
18:15:07amiconnThat's because without adjustable cpu frequency, the frequency is just a #define
18:15:30amiconn...which _should_ reflect the true value, but doesn't for ipod
18:16:27lostlogicamiconn: so it seems that your comment on the memory being the bottleneck was probably on the money because with the codec thread on the COP and not yielding I can still cause audio skips by playing in the UI a lot (w/o priority scheduling)
18:17:00amiconnEither that, or it's a scheduler problem
18:17:18lostlogicwhich seems less likely since I removed the concept of yield from the codec api for those test
18:17:44lostlogic(redefined yield to codec_yield() {})
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18:19:50PaulPositionWhen you guys talk about memory bottleneck, you mean like Rockbox is asking more of it than iPod/iRiver ever did, or that you haven't figured out how to access it right (ie, dualport or whatever..) ? (not that I could help, I just LOVE reading on your researches)
18:20:46lostlogicPaulPosition: could be either one −− we may be inefficient in our use of memory bandwidth, or there may be additional access modes that the original firmware used that we do not know about / aren't taking advantage of yet.
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18:26:32jernsthello everyone, I'm helping a friend to whom I have installed rockbox (but he is now some thousand kilometers away so I have no physical access to his ipod video)
18:26:59jernstHe says that when he is putting his ipod on the outlet charger it is rebooting continuously
18:27:26jernstI read that pressing "menu" while putting the USB cable in the device could help but it doesn't seem so
18:27:31barrywardelllostlogic: I wonder is my new ipod_set_cpu_frequency() actually setting a really low frequency, or is it doing nothing and leaving the ipod at the default frequency? I wonder what happens if you make ipod_set_cpu_frequency() do nothing?
18:28:30hcsjernst: if the device was off it'll just go through that cycle, he'd need to boot it into disk mode (hold select and play while booting) or the apple firmware (hold menu while booting) to use the charger outside of rockbox
18:28:53hcsif rockbox was running just holding menu should work
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18:30:09wanna5grockhi rockbox'ers ..
18:30:50wanna5grockdoes anyone know if rockbox works on the 5g ipod video 80gig yet?
18:32:19jernsthcs: thanks, but he says it doesn't work. Does the power indicator work ?
18:33:39wanna5grocknobody knows about rockbox on 5gipod?
18:33:53PaulPositionwanna5grock - Nope. 80gig is 5.5th generation and as far as I know it isn't working yet. The thread in the 'Other Ports' (or is it 'new ports'?) part of the forum will *most certainly* be updated when anyone finds a way to crack it open.
18:33:54jernst(he says the ipod is charging when used with a computer and USB cable but not using the power outlet charger)
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18:34:26Kingsqueakfor a 5G, what should the battery capacity be set to? I'm running latest CVS
18:35:39wanna5grockpaulposition: thanks, i'll try to keep up to date with the threads in the forums .. just thought the IRC would be the place for bleeding edge news/details.
18:36:05wanna5grocki'm wondering also if there's anything i can do with my ipod80gig in the meantime to assist the project? does it just need to be reverse engineered and a driver written?
18:36:49hcsjernst: with the computer it will reboot into disk mode and interface via USB, with the power charger it will reboot into disk mode, notice there isn't actually any usb connection besides the power, and reboot, and when rockbox comes up it will just reboot again
18:36:53wanna5grockand i'm guessing that the 5g in this post refers to the 303gig 5g:
18:37:07hcsjernst: it needs to be explicitly booted in disk mode
18:37:55jernsthcs: I see, will tell him
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18:39:22lostlogicon dual core targets I think we should take the codec out of IRAM and let the core figure out caching it and work with a smaller pcm buffer in iram instead of in dram. that's what I think.
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18:59:14evilnickHi All, can someone point me in the direction of the irc log when the "ignore 'the' in alphabetic sort" patch was discussed please?
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19:02:08evilnicki.e. which day this was?
19:03:34LloreanLook at when the task was closed, and look shortly before that in the IRC log.
19:03:44evilnickok, ta
19:04:39LloreanTo summarize though, "People can simply name their files properly."
19:05:10evilnickYeah, I understand that theory, but it's far far nicer to have the proper artist name, but have them sorted in a more logical fashion
19:05:48hcsI tend to have the proper naming in the tags and organize the filesystem for easy access
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19:05:57evilnickIf you're going to go down the codesize route then why support anything other than "English" ASCII, or L-R scrolling etc.
19:07:06LloreanBecause you can't get around the lack of foreign language support or limited screen width by simply renaming files?
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19:07:59lostlogicif it's important... patch it into your own copy and post a build up, I"m sure some people would like it :_P
19:08:09evilnickI do see your point, I'm just sad as it's one of the very few remaing things I'd like to see in RB officially.
19:08:22evilnicklostlogic: that's why I'm getting the vmware image right now 8)
19:08:44LloreanI can't see how it's even a *small* deal. How much time do you really spend staring at your filetree thinking "Gee, I wish the The were in the front of that line, rather than the rear..."
19:08:59lostlogicLlorean: you do a battery test with kernel_on_cop_6.diff that I posted to compare to your other two battery tests? I'm guessing a few percent better.
19:09:35Lloreanlostlogic: I'll begin charging my Nano now. It's quite dead at the moment, but once it is I'll run the test and let you know the results. Is the patch on the tracker?
19:09:38evilnickIt's mainly for when you are looking at a list of artist names and the order just looks (to my eyes) "wrong", with a big clump down amongst the T's
19:10:00lostlogicLlorean: yeah, posted a link in the task.
19:10:11lostlogicLlorean: thanks for abusing your battery for the betterment of science.
19:10:15Lloreanlostlogic: Alright, I'll give it a try once the Nano's charged then.
19:10:21Lloreanevilnick: Use TagCache then.
19:10:35evilnickMy folder structure is: Initial letter/artist name/year - album/track# - title
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19:10:45LloreanI understand with some trickiness in the tagnavi.config, you can get proper sorting.
19:10:53evilnickLlorean: is there an auto-way to do this?
19:10:59LloreanI still think the right solution isn't to improperly sort filenames, but rather to allow the use of sort-tags.
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19:11:26Lloreanevilnick: No, there's not an automatic way to do it.
19:11:45evilnickLlorean: agreed. I'll search the forums for the correct syntax within tagnavi.config.
19:11:55Lloreanlostlogic: I've CVS up'd since then, but I doubt any changes in the last 12 hours are going to make a terribly large battery life difference, ought they?
19:13:35lostlogiccorrect, no changes in CVS will impact battery life.
19:14:39LloreanAlright, I'll give it a run once the Nano's charged.
19:15:29barrywardelllostlogic: i can't remember if i mentioned earlier, but that patch definitely makes a noticable difference on my H10 (after i fixed up the frequency thing)
19:15:34barrywardellgood work :)
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19:15:59lostlogicbarrywardell: yeah, for the first time we have a reason to run dual core :)
19:16:19LloreanIf it means less boosting, it'll actually improve battery life, won't it?
19:16:31lostlogicLlorean: yeah, that's what I spect
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19:16:51lostlogicbarrywardell: what do you think of my theory of taking the codec out of IRAM and putting a smaller pcm buffer in IRAM for dual core targets?
19:17:08LloreanBut then, I've had a gut feeling for a long time we were losing power to the COP. Just one of those arbitrary "I have no reason, but it seems like the kinda misfortune that'd happen"
19:17:23lostlogicLlorean: :)
19:17:41lostlogicanother theory I have is to put the codec on the CPU and run the COP at 1/2 clock and put the other threads on there.
19:18:21LloreanWell, do we need to do that?
19:18:35LloreanI mean, we boost to decode, which goes from 35 to 70(75?)
19:19:00LloreanMightn't there be a point where we don't really need to boost very often, if at all, that results in a nice, fast UI like the people always say they want?
19:19:10lostlogicI suggest it as a power saving measure
19:19:19lostlogicright now we seem to run both cores at the same clock
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19:19:25lostlogicby 1/2 clocking the COP we could save power
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19:21:15lostlogicis the codec output buffer (pre DSP) in IRAM or DRAM?
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19:23:09barrywardelllostlogic: i don't really know much about the codec code. i only started looking at it after looking at the dual core stuff
19:24:06lostlogicI can't remember, and I know I used to know.
19:24:41webguest26have you gotten the 2 cores on PP to execute concurrently now? If so, congratulations!! Now it should be one step closer into adding sound to the video player :)
19:25:22dan_alostlogic, barrywardell: I'm back now and just reading through the logs from earlier.
19:25:41lostlogicwebguest26: techincally dan had them working a while ago, we just finally got some tangible benefit from running on two cores.
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19:30:57dan_alostlogic: When you talk about moving the codec out of IRAM, do you mean the code or the data?
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19:32:27bleakedso, if i use rockbox basically 100% of the time.. but still use the apple firmware when transferring.. is it worth it to update the apple firmware? (nano, 1st gen)
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19:33:01*dan_a is amazed at the number of people doing stupid things to their Sansas
19:33:23tsuyoshidan_a: like what?
19:33:45LloreanPutting various files in recovery mode, rather than just the MI4
19:33:49lostlogicdan_a: code
19:34:28lostlogicdan_a: when the codec is sharing cache with other threads, IRAMing code makes more sense than when it has a core to itself
19:34:47dan_aLike installing Rockbox without knowing how to get it off again first, ignoring all the "it's not finished and not everything works" posts and overwriting their bootloaders with random rubbish so that they can't get into recovery mode!
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19:35:28scorchesounds like they are starting to learn from the ipod crowd
19:35:28*scorche ducks
19:36:14tsuyoshiI got a sansa for christmas.. just been reading the rockbox source
19:36:41dan_alostlogic: I think that linuxstb did some tests which basically found that having code in IRAM doesn't give any benefit on the PP502X machines. However it does make a difference on the PP5002 (ie the 3g iPod)
19:36:44tsuyoshinot sure what the point of installing it is since there's no sound yet
19:37:09Lloreantsuyoshi: I can summarize it: "People want to play Doom"
19:37:13dan_atsuyoshi: To help develop it, or to play games.
19:37:20tsuyoshioh.. so does doom work?
19:37:27dan_aDoom works
19:37:43dan_a(with no sound, obviously)
19:37:52Lloreandan_a: Few of the ones who want to help develop manage to follow the instructions that badly though, I imagine.
19:37:52tsuyoshiI see
19:38:07*Llorean hasn't managed to brick his Sansa yet.
19:38:30bleakedscorche, at least it's next to impossible to brick an ipod..
19:38:51dan_aLlorean: I think the people who've (effectively) bricked their Sansas just wanted to be 31337
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19:39:08lostlogicdan_a: yeah, I remember something about that.
19:39:18Lloreandan_a: I love how the response to "It doesn't seem to work" then becomes "So I tried this list of crazy things, and now it REALLY doesn't work"
19:39:21tsuyoshiso if I was to help with the sansa port.. should I start by disassembling the firmware or what
19:39:41lostlogicon vorbis at least, the decoded audio to insert into the pcm buffer is returned on DRAM not IRAM, we can probably improve our memory bandwidth utilization if we're brave enough to try moving that around.
19:39:44scorchebleaked: i was referring to their practices and methodology....but yes, they are just being supid with a device that is easier to brick than the ipods
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19:40:00Lloreanbleaked: It's actually moderately hard to brick a Sansa too, you have to go a moderate distance off of the instructions we've given.
19:40:02*scorche still needs to wake up
19:41:21jeffbYou can't really even brick an ipod unless you write to flashrom
19:42:10dan_atsuyoshi: There are a few things that can be done. The disk driver can be improved (it needs to return error conditions, and it would be good if it did DMA.) The video driver seems to fail about 1 time in 20 for me, which I guess is a timing issue. Disassembling the firmware to find out about the things we do not know yet would be good.
19:42:32tehsmohmm, for an ipod video, I would use the base device (/dev/sdb) for ipodpatcher, not one of the partitions?
19:42:53tehsmook, thanks
19:42:57jeffbipodpatcher /dev/sdb -l
19:43:03jeffbwill list what you have on it
19:43:31scorcheSoap: there?
19:43:54dan_alostlogic: That makes sense. Can we try that without moving the codec code out of IRAM, or is space too tight?
19:44:25lostlogicnot sure, hard to tell because the vorbis codec uses ogg_malloc which uses that terrible fake codec malloc.
19:45:11tsuyoshidan_a: is there a list of things we need to figure out?
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19:45:51jeffbto you guys make use of arm emulators at all?
19:46:15jeffbsome of orig manufacture firmware code does fancy to throw off dissembler tools I've found
19:46:24tehsmothat was one painless install
19:46:29jeffb*fancy stuff
19:46:33jeffb<−− still waking up
19:46:53tsuyoshiall I've seen really is this page:
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19:48:38dan_atsuyoshi: We're doing fairly well. We may need somebody to reverse engineer the audio codec - we know what chip it is (AS3515), but can't get a data sheet. The USB seems the same as the USB in the Freescale i.MX31, which is documented. I think that's all we have found which isn't on
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19:51:17dan_ajeffb: We don't tend to use emulators as a rule (somebody might do, though.) Sometimes the OF does things like remapping memory, which can make reading the disassembly more difficult.
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19:52:08jeffbdan_a, yup, how do you get around such issues? I've seen stack tricks too that set the PC to something different
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19:52:22jeffbseems like a simulator might help
19:52:32Lloreanjeffb: In general, we don't pay too much attention to what the original firmware does.
19:53:00dan_ajeffb: I don't know, I can read disassemblies about as well as I can read Martian!
19:53:31jeffbsure, but say you need to figure out how the orig does HD transfers using DMA
19:53:56jeffbsometimes you have to look into the firmware for that kind of stuff
19:54:41dan_aAre the stack tricks just returning from a subroutine? In ARM, they often push the LR on entry to a subroutine, and then pop that value back to the PC
19:55:44jeffbnah, it's some kind of computed address in the relative to some position in the firmware and then it is put on the stacked and then popped into PC
19:55:58jeffbbah my typing is horrible in the morning heh
19:57:48jeffblet me wake up and I'll try explaining again
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20:00:46*dan_a wonders how so many Sansa owners aren't able to power off in Rockbox
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20:01:07Darksidercan rockbox be installed on the 2nd gen nanos?
20:01:15Lloreandan_a: I suspect they just never hold it long enough?
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20:01:49Darksideris there any alternative to the mac firmware out there that might run on 2g nanos?
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20:02:12Darksiderthat sucks...ok well, thanks anyway
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20:02:30Soapyo scorche
20:02:47dan_aLlorean: Yes, but... it still makes my mind boggle.
20:03:38The-Thilohi all
20:04:20The-Thilocan anyone help me with installing rockbox on my ipod 5.5g ?
20:04:30jeffbwhat kind of 5.5g
20:04:40Kingsqueakthis is awesome, just got my headphone amp, between the para EQ in rockbox and now gain staging the 5G iPod, the sound is fantastic
20:05:31Lloreandan_a: After the number of times I've seen people miss the connection between an error message and their install failing, I think my mind is unbogglable.
20:05:34jeffbThe-Thilo, what kind of 5.5g?
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20:06:47The-Thiloomg if i write something it takes about 2min to send
20:07:08jeffbI could sure use the flashrom from your 5.5g 30gb
20:07:13jeffb:) :)
20:07:38The-Thilohave somebody icq who can help me ? -.-
20:08:25The-Thiloif yes my icq nr is 291130265 "Sklaventreiber"
20:09:14LloreanYou haven't even asked any questions yet. What part of the install instructions doesn't work for you?
20:09:38The-Thilojeffb do you have icq ? i cant write here it takes 2 min to send
20:09:51The-Thiloor add me my icq nr is 291130265
20:10:35jeffbLlorean, is it okay for me to post a request on your forums for a specific flashrom dump?
20:11:13jeffbThe-Thilo, I don't have icq
20:11:17Lloreanjeffb: Sure, put it in General Discussion, and I'll move it to Announcements, make the topic "Request for iPod 5.5G 30gb user" or something.
20:11:38jeffbLlorean, I have a special patched build of ipodlinux that makes it easy to dump
20:13:08LloreanHopefully you'll get a useful response then
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20:15:58SoapLlorean: I've been trying to follow the IRC chat on the COP, but feel as if I'm not seeing the whole picture. Is there anything I can do to help test?
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20:17:28LloreanSoap: I dunno, I'm just a guinea pig in all this. dan_a, barrywardell and lostlogic are doing all the work.
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20:19:30The-Thilome again ;)
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20:19:34The-Thilonow irc works
20:19:54The-Thilocan u help me now ? :)
20:20:12The-Thiloi have got a ipod
20:20:19dan_aSoap: At the moment, the most useful thing to know is that having the COP turned on doesn't use more battery than having it turned off.
20:20:32The-Thiloi tried to install rockbox
20:20:35Soapdan_a: and has that been confirmed?
20:20:35jeffbThe-Thilo, are you a linux user?
20:20:45Soapfor Soap loves the runtime testing.
20:20:48The-Thilono i use windows xp
20:21:06The-Thiloif i try to open ipodpatcher
20:21:18The-Thiloit close agan
20:21:23The-Thiloafter a very short time
20:21:35jeffbThe-Thilo, the 5.5g 30gb is a special installation
20:21:42LloreanSoap: I've done a runtime test on my Nano with and without the kernel_on_cop_5.diff with identical runtimes, but there's a new version which actually *might* show the coprocessor slightly increasing runtime
20:21:48Lloreanjeffb: It's not special
20:21:55Lloreanjeffb: The install instructions are the same for all supported iPods
20:22:03The-Thiloso can u explain it to me ? i would be very thanksfull
20:22:09jeffbLlorean, even the 5.5g with a sector size of 2048 bytes?
20:22:31LloreanThe new ipodpatcher.exe is very intelligent.
20:22:33The-Thiloi know my english is very bad -.- i am right that u dont speak german ?
20:22:48LloreanThe problem is that he's just double clicking on the file rather than following the instructions and using the command prompt
20:23:58Soapdan_a: do you want runtime tests?
20:24:09The-Thilocan you explain me why the ipodpatcher is closing after opening ?
20:25:46dan_aThe-Thilo: You must use "Start" and then "Run" and then type "cmd" Can you understand that?
20:26:21The-Thiloyes okay
20:26:29The-Thiloi work in it
20:26:40The-Thiloso i understand something about this ;)
20:27:04The-Thilowhat i have to type in the cmd window ?
20:27:44dan_acd rockbox
20:28:02dan_aipodpatcher −−scan
20:28:11The-Thilonow i understand
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20:28:32The-Thiloipod found
20:28:47The-Thilothx :)
20:28:55dan_aYou're welcome!
20:28:56The-Thiloso i try to go on with the manuall
20:29:28The-Thiloif i have one more question i come again
20:30:25Lloreandan_a, lostlogic: Okay, I've begun a new battery bench with the new patch.
20:30:33tehsmohmm, I can get to the bookmarks section of the wps context menu, but hiting select on 'create new bookmark' seems to do nothing?
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20:31:29dan_aLlorean: Thank you.
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20:32:22webguest43does anyone know when rockbox will come out for 2nd gen ipod nanos?
20:32:32dan_awebguest43: No
20:32:43dan_aIt won't be soon.
20:32:56webguest43do you know like how many months?
20:32:59webguest43like 6 or so?
20:33:12scorcheimpossible to say
20:33:12Lloreanwebguest43: There's absolutely no way to predict that.
20:33:18Lloreanwebguest43: Assume never, and hope that it's sooner.
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20:33:42bleakednot sure if anyone knows about this, but i used to throw various games on my TI graphing calculators.. one of the best games by far was Fall Down.. (basically a ball is constantly falling, while horizontal bars with random holes scroll up, while you navigate the ball through the holes so it doesn't touch the top)..
20:33:59bleakedwell, i was wondering if something like this could ever come to rockbox?
20:34:27Lloreanbleaked: There's no reason why someone couldn't program that.
20:35:15webguest43well then does anyone know any 2nd gen ipod nano hacks i can do?
20:35:25scorcheask #apple
20:35:48LloreanThis is #rockbox, and is specifically about the Rockbox firmware, rather than "things you can do to various players"
20:36:06bleakedwell.. i guess to rephrase.. do you know if anyone has considered writing it? to me, it's one of those staple games.. like bricks, tetris, pacman, jewls, etc..
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20:36:33bleakedi think he was asking if there was an alpha or something available for 2nd gen ipods
20:37:01bleakedwebguest43, to which there probably is not at the moment.
20:37:04Lloreanbleaked: There's a game similar to it, in a way, on the misticriver forums. But generally games get made by people who decide they want to make them, and aren't really planned or anything. For example, you could go and make it.
20:38:06bleakedLlorean, oh i would do it in a heartbeat.. but i have basically no programming skills.. but i'm learning ruby with hopes to move to c.. so perhaps in the future :D
20:38:08LloreanYou could always post a feature request, and link to the TI-calc game.
20:38:20bleakedgood idea
20:38:28LloreanI mean, the feature requests tracker is there for exactly that sort of thing.
20:38:40LloreanTo give people who can program, but don't have any idea what they want to make, something to look at.
20:39:00bleakedit's not really a big deal.. i rather see dev resources go into audio playback and UI improvements.
20:39:23bleakedok.. i'll submit one
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20:43:58jeffbLlorean, are you a programmer for rockbox?
20:44:35Lloreanjeffb: The number of lines of code that I have included in Rockbox can probably be counted without running out of fingers and toes.
20:46:07LloreanBut there are a few of them, and I watch over the forums, and at some point when I wasn't looking they sneaked my name into the credits along with all the others.
20:46:35scorchehow dare they...
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20:47:35jeffbI have a patch for rockbox that will dump flashrom to flashrom.bin in root dir. Is that something you guys would care about?
20:48:23The-Thilohow is this ment :
20:48:37The-Thilo1 ipodpatcher [device] -a
20:48:45The-Thilo2 bootloader-video.ipod
20:48:52The-Thilohave i write this in one line
20:48:57The-Thiloor send 2 times ?
20:49:23Lloreanjeffb: It should probably be an option in the debug menu.
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20:53:11KingsqueakThe-Thilo: ipodcatcher /dev/youripod -a bootloader-video.ipod
20:54:02Soapbut regardless, this is what it looks like:
20:54:15Soapscorche, wrong window.
20:54:20scorchei figured
20:55:22The-Thilohow i can see if the installation is succesfull ?
20:55:44The-Thiloit seams to look good
20:56:02The-Thilobut there is nothing other like before
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20:57:59The-Thilomhh i think it doesent work
20:58:16The-Thilodoes somebody can help me in this installation ?
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21:03:06Nimdae_what's the problem?
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21:04:01theprodukkthello all, ive a nonrockbox according problem
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21:04:29theprodukktaccording partitioning my new 500gb sata drive
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21:04:33theprodukktand installing win on it
21:04:43Terinjokeshey! how's the earth spinning?
21:04:51scorcheand what made you think that #rockbox was the right place to ask this?
21:05:06*Terinjokes quickly graps all the WPSs before the server dies again
21:05:14theprodukktwell, here sit experienced ppl
21:05:18The-Thilohow i can install the firmware ? :-/
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21:05:29Nimdae/join #rockbox; i have a nonrockbox issue
21:05:30scorcheand here sits a support channel dedicated to one purpose
21:05:33Lloreantheprodukkt: This is #Rockbox, go find other experienced people in a channel where that's actually an appropriate question.
21:05:41Nimdaethat's like doing /join #linux; i have a windows issue
21:05:51theprodukktok im sry
21:05:57Terinjokesnimdae, they problem would help (i've done that before)
21:05:59theprodukktthought u'd be smarter
21:06:27Lloreantheprodukkt: Well, we thought that people joining would be smarter too, I can see we were both wrong. Goodbye.
21:06:30The-Thilocan someone explain me how i could install the firmware on a 5.5 30gb ipod ?
21:06:47SoapThe-Thilo: the wiki install instructions work for your ipod.
21:06:49Nimdaewell, the folks at my isp are pretty smart, but i don't go bothering them about problems with beating half life 2
21:07:16The-Thilothanks :)
21:07:17TerinjokesNimdae, i bother my webhost with questions like that LD
21:07:52SoapI was getting to that mr all-links-are-hotkeyed-Llorean.
21:07:53The-Thilothe newest link of firmware for the video ipod dont work
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21:08:07Soapwhat link The-Thilo?
21:08:14CazovThis channel is an endless source for entertainment, for all the wrong reasons :/
21:08:27Nimdaeactually, i used the new instructions recently on my ipod to update the bootloader and it worked fine
21:08:42The-Thiloon rockbox page
21:08:47LloreanWhy do you say it doesn't work?
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21:09:06The-Thilocause i wantet do download it
21:09:18The-Thiloyou have to delete the space
21:09:20TerinjokesLlorean, Soap: my family thinks i love my ipod nano, so naturally they got me tons of itunes giftcards, what am I supposed to do with them?
21:09:26The-Thilobetween ipod and video
21:09:36scorcheTerinjokes: ebay?
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21:09:48Nimdaegive them to me?
21:09:53scorchebut that isnt rockbox related either ;)
21:09:55LloreanThe-Thilo: On this page: there is no space
21:10:05Terinjokesscorche, VLC seems to have figured out how to play itune-store songs...
21:10:11The-Thiloyes i dont talk about yor link ;)
21:10:19The-Thiloi talk about a link on the rockbox website
21:10:26SoapTerinjokes: even when iTunes isn't installed?
21:10:30LloreanThe-Thilo: The Rockbox website is a big place, WHERE on it?
21:10:50Nimdaei would bet itunes has to be installed
21:10:55Terinjokesyes, on Linux/unix systems
21:11:01The-Thiloif u click on the download
21:11:17The-Thiloin 2.23.
21:11:30The-Thilothere have to delete a space
21:11:32Soapnice catch on the manual The-Thilo, but use the wiki page
21:11:37LloreanThat's out of date, then. And a typo, as there should never be a space in a URL.
21:11:45TerinjokesSoap, from what all I understand, VLC simply needs the user file, from any iTunes installation (from any computer)
21:12:26Soapdan_a: If you want any testing done, keep me in mind.
21:12:47Nimdaeit supports AAC but i see no reference to DRM AAC
21:13:10Terinjokesnimdae, rockbox has no DRM support
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21:13:48Nimdaeyou said vlc plays itunes music in reference to being able to do it on rockbox
21:13:51Nimdaeitunes music is DRM
21:13:56Nimdaeor rather has DRM
21:14:24Terinjokesi hope rockbox (one day) could play the itunes DRMed songs
21:14:34Nimdaenot likely to happen
21:14:40Nimdaeto do so would require violating the DMCA
21:15:05Terinjokesi never said *officially*
21:15:05jeffbdid you guys know you can truncate the apple firmware free'ing up more space in ram?
21:15:20jeffbI got it down to 1meg and it loaded successfully
21:15:24LloreanWhy should it even unofficially support DRM?
21:15:31Nimdaeit will never unofficially do it as long as it's a violation of the DMCA
21:15:32LloreanYou should not buy DRMed music.
21:16:11NimdaeLlorean: rephrase: you should not pay for DRMed music, because you never actually OWN it
21:16:34LloreanThat's better, yeah.
21:16:41Terinjokesi'll just un-DRM it the legal way...
21:16:52Nimdaethere is no legal way
21:17:01Nimdaeremoving DRM is a violation of the DMCA
21:17:02Terinjokeswith that, I sign off, catch you later, good luck developers, bbl
21:17:20Nimdaei love the DMCA, it makes life so pretty
21:17:28LloreanNimdae: You assume that he lives in the US, and with iTunes, burning a CD and reripping doesn't violate the DMCA.
21:17:32Terinjokeserm, use iTunes to burn a CD of the songs....
21:17:46LloreanIt would in most cases, but Apple gives written permission to do so.
21:17:52NimdaeLlorean: right, but that license doesn't allow you to make additional copies, IE: ripping the burned cd
21:18:15Nimdaemicrosoft/urge is the same way
21:18:30Terinjokesit allows a backup copy, if the orginal just happens to be deleted from the computer, i'll just use my back-up...
21:18:38LloreanNimdae: Actually, Apple has told users to rip the CD in the past, for putting music on non-Apple MP3 players. I would say instructing a user to do it is "permission"
21:19:02Nimdaei'd have to see that before i'd commit to it
21:19:12Nimdaebut i have heard of companies saying similar things
21:19:24LloreanOf course, it's not blanket permission.
21:19:36LloreanYou'd have to get Apple to explicitly give you as an individual that instruction.
21:19:38Nimdaei had a video game company tell me to have a friend copy a game cd for me since my cd was damaged and they wouldn'ts end me a new copy
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21:20:47Nimdaethe only other way to replace the cd wsa to buy another copy and i told them i'd cancel my account with them if that was their solution
21:21:26LloreanWell, it was an MMO I assume then?
21:21:26Nimdaewow, vlc runs on beos? i didn't think beos was still around
21:21:33Nimdaeyeah, it was a mmo
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21:21:46LloreanYeah, I can see MMO companies giving that sort of instruction.
21:22:16*Llorean wishes battery benchmarks could be accomplished much more quickly.
21:22:20Nimdaethat's one thing i like about steam (all the games you can get through it) and cd required to install
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21:23:13Nimdaeit's a world of high speed connections these days, that needs to become the norm
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21:25:51scorcheNimdae: not having a cd for the games on steam can really suck sometimes, but this is getting pretty offtopic
21:26:10Nimdaeyeah, that's why i decided to do something else
21:26:47The-Thilomhh how i can fix this error : while booting ther is shown Rockbox error-1 loading the orginal firmware
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21:27:04LloreanThe-Thilo: That means you haven't extracted onto the player
21:27:06Sanityou guys know about the Diagnostics mode on the 5g iPods?
21:27:12The-Thiloi have -.-
21:27:18The-Thilothe .rockbox folder ?
21:27:26LloreanAnd the rockbox.ipod file
21:27:33Sanitno, on apple firmware
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21:27:52The-Thiloi think i havent copyd this file
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21:28:10LloreanThe-Thilo: So, as I said, you didn't extract the onto the player.
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21:28:45LloreanSanit: This is #Rockbox, not #iPod, the diagnostics mode isn't really something that is of concern.
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21:28:48The-Thiloi have also to copy bootpartition.bin ?
21:29:11LloreanThe-Thilo: The instructions do not say to...
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21:29:14SanitI tought it might have information in it you might need... Just trying to help
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21:30:35tehsmohmm, can anyone help me with bookmarks in rockbox?
21:31:06tehsmoI set 'bookmark on stop' to Yes, and 'load last bookmark' to Ask, but it doesn't seem to ask when I play a file after having stopped it to play another one
21:31:13tehsmoit just starts at the beginning
21:31:26The-Thiloit works :)
21:31:37The-Thilothanks to all who helped me ;)
21:34:39tehsmohmm, indeed, there are no files named '.bmark' on the ipod
21:36:31tehsmois this due to me using the database, maybe?
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21:45:55The-Thiloif rockbox is installed i cant load apple os anymore ?
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21:50:49x1jmpwhich of the rockbox devices have a USB host?
21:51:07JdGordonThe-Thilo: no, turn hold on when booting...
21:51:21JdGordonx1jmp: the x5 and h300, but usb-host isnt implemented in rocbox
21:51:22The-Thiloah ok thx
21:51:47The-Thilowhat can i do with rockbox what i cant with apple os ?
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21:55:50x1jmpis there any other device with a host, to which a rockbox port is planned?
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22:09:07tehsmoThe-Thilo: there's a features comparison on the wiki somewhere
22:09:35The-Thilowhere can i get tetris etc ?
22:09:52LloreanThe-Thilo: Have you actually tried looking at the manual for answers *before* asking questions?
22:09:59LloreanFor example, the plugin list?
22:10:31The-Thiloouh sorry i didnt know that you are so angry if u have to answer something xD
22:10:53LloreanThe manual was written so that you can find answers for yourself.
22:13:04The-Thilobut the manual is english
22:13:09The-Thiloi cant really good english
22:13:22The-Thiloif i didnt understand something in chat i can ask again
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22:13:51x1jmpbtw what happened to tetrox?
22:13:55x1jmpit was in CVS but now seems to be missing
22:13:56scorchex1jmp: it was renamed
22:14:34LloreanThe-Thilo: Asking after you read the manual is fine.
22:15:05The-Thiloyou dont have to answer if it is so hard for you
22:15:10x1jmptetrox replaced rockblox?
22:15:18The-Thilo@ llorean
22:15:27scorchex1jmp: tetrox was renamed to rockblox
22:15:42The-Thilowhere i get this plugins ?
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22:15:53JdGordonThe-Thilo: Llorean is proabbly the most patient person in the room, get on his bd side and its fairly likely your questino will get ignored
22:15:56LloreanThe-Thilo: It's not hard, but we ask that *everyone* read the manual before asking questions. We have thousands of users, and a lot of people spent a lot of time writing the manual so that they could find answers for themselves.
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22:16:48The-Thiloi will read the manuall but understand nothing
22:17:10scorcheglad to hear that you already made up your mind about that...
22:17:23The-Thilonot because the manuall
22:17:30The-Thiloi like open source etc
22:17:32LloreanIt's very unlikely that we can explain anything better than the manual, since we too will be speaking English
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22:17:49The-Thiloi tink the write is very good and so one
22:17:53The-Thilobut i am not really good in english -.-
22:17:53TerinjokesThere's no place like ::1
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22:18:24tehsmommm. .I like the search function in the database, that's a nice touch
22:18:26The-Thiloi will not have fight with someone here
22:18:28The-Thiloso its okay
22:18:36The-Thiloi will google a bit ;)
22:18:36dan_aThe-Thilo: Perhaps you could do the first German translation of the manual!
22:18:38*tehsmo needs to get more accurate with the click wheel, though. :)
22:19:20The-Thilo@dan_a so i have to understand english -.-
22:19:30The-Thilohow i can wisper to somebody ?
22:21:10dan_aThe-Thilo: You have to understand the manual ;) And to whisper you do /msg
22:21:46scorchealthough on freenode, you have to be registered and identified before it will go through
22:24:26Terinjokesscorche, unless you've turned off that function in your mode
22:24:50scorchei realize that, but hardly anyone does...
22:25:28dan_ascorche: Some people do (or do it, then forget how to change back)
22:26:09scorcheyeah, but it isnt worth mentioning for general knowledge
22:26:23*Terinjokes wonders how to change his mode
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22:29:42*Llorean hates having to make posts like that. =/
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22:32:06Terinjokesok, i've added some modes to my username :D
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22:39:23JdGordondoes play not work in the vkeyboard on anyone elses ipod?
22:40:32Genre9mp3Llorean: whoops!
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22:40:55Genre9mp3sorry about that... just give me some minutes to copy the text
22:41:14LloreanGenre9mp3: It's not a big deal, but one of the goals is to separate information from discussion, so there's never any need to sticky things and so people know where to go to actually look things up. :)
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22:42:41Scottstonehey i need help
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22:42:56Scottstonewith doom on my ipod
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22:43:04Genre9mp3Llorean: Ok... I was thinking more MR-ish when posting this :) I'll upload it to the wiki now, feel free to delete
22:43:13ScottstoneCan someone help?
22:43:28LloreanGenre9mp3: No worries. :) I'll be deleting the whole thread now, is that okay?
22:43:29dan_aScottstone: The Wiki probably can
22:43:40Genre9mp3sure, go ahead
22:44:02Scottstonebut when i plug my ipod to my computer, it doesnt come up as drive F it comes up as drive E
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22:44:44Scottstonewhat do i do?
22:44:57dan_aUse drive E instead of drive F
22:45:03Scottstoneyeah but
22:45:06Soapsell me your ipod for $100
22:45:06Scottstoneinside theres no Games folder
22:45:10Scottstoneliek it says
22:45:21dan_aScottstone: Then make a Games folder
22:45:26Scottstonei did
22:45:27Scottstoneand i put
22:45:30Scottstonerockbox in
22:45:32Scottstoneand doom2.wad
22:45:39Scottstoneand it doesnt show up in my games
22:46:14Scottstonebut, the weird thing is, that i have like 4 games on it
22:46:16dan_aWhen you say rockbox, do you mean rockdoom.wad
22:46:39JdGordoncan any ipod users replicate fs 6164?
22:47:19Scottstoneso what am i doing wrong
22:48:33SoapJdGordon: I don't even understand it.
22:48:49dan_aScottstone: What does it say when you choose "Game"?
22:49:03Scottstonewhat dio you mean?
22:49:06Scottstoneon my ipod?
22:49:17JdGordonSoap: play music, then save your config with the menu item, if the bug happens it will load a new track intot he paylist
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22:50:11Scottstonewhen i go on my ipod, it has the games music trivia, brick, partachute and solitaire
22:50:12dan_aScottstone: Yes, from the Doom menu
22:50:15Soapsave config /while/ playing music?
22:50:30Scottstonedoom isnt even on the list for some reason
22:50:30JdGordonactually it shuoldnt matter
22:50:44dan_aScottstone: What about when you are in Rockbox? It won't work on the original firmware
22:50:50JdGordonSoap: the report is that the select actio happens after you quit the keyboard
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22:50:55Scottstonek its oike this
22:51:10Scottstonei go to games
22:51:10Scottstonedoom isnt even on the list
22:51:16dan_aScottstone: Reboot into Rockbox
22:51:21webguest20Are anybody working on reversi for RB?
22:51:28Scottstoneand when i open my iPod up in my computer, there isnt even a games folder
22:51:38JdGordonwebguest20: dont think so... go for it :D
22:51:40Scottstonedan, what do you mean?
22:51:56dan_aScottstone: Have you installed Rockbox?
22:52:02webguest20I've heard there's a GPL code somewhere on the net
22:52:11webguest20I'll take a look
22:52:27Scottstonethe CVS build?
22:52:43dan_aScottstone: Either CVS or the daily build
22:52:47SoapJdGordon: I created a playlist of an album (10 songs), from the WPS went "menu", manage settings, save congig, wrote the config file by pressing the play button, it went back to the menu, hit play to go back to the WPS, and the track was still playing.
22:52:58Scottstonewell, no i havent
22:53:01dan_awebguest20: I don't think anyone is working on Reversi
22:53:05Scottstonedo i save it onto my ipod?
22:53:24JdGordonSoap: ok, thanks
22:53:28dan_aScottstone: Doom is a plugin for Rockbox, not a game for the original firmware
22:53:38webguest20dan_a: ok. I'll look into it and report back if I find out anything
22:53:45ScottstoneBut i have rockbox.wad on my ipod
22:54:19ydoScottstone: but you don't run rockbox, read the manual
22:54:30webguest20dan_a: but I think it would be a nice plugin
22:54:48Scottstoneso i need rockbox on my ipod?
22:54:54ydoScottstone: yes
22:54:54dan_aScottstone: Rockbox is an alternative firmware for several music players. Doom runs as a plugin for Rockbox.
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22:55:12Scottstone,but will it change how my ipod looks and runs..?
22:55:24Scottstoneso basically
22:55:27Scottstoneits a new OS for it?
22:55:34Scottstone.. oh
22:55:42Scottstonebut is there a doom for the orig OS?
22:55:55ydobut there's one for uclinux as well ;)
22:55:55Soapslow Llorean
22:55:57Scottstonehow does rockbox look
22:55:58*cd_rom wished
22:56:01Scottstoneis there any pics of it?
22:56:15Scottstonelike running on an ipod
22:56:21dan_aScottstone: Have a look at
22:56:31*cd_rom is handing over Scottstone his ipod
22:56:38cd_romthere you go!
22:56:38Scottstoneim there..
22:56:44Soapwhat runtime test are you doing now Llorean?
22:56:46ydoScottstone: for example
22:56:56LloreanSoap: The newest coprocessor patch.
22:57:10Scottstonei have ipod vid
22:57:15SoapScottstone: all the screens you see with Album Art are unofficial and would require compiling on your part.
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22:57:54dan_aScottstone: 80Gb?
22:58:30LloreanSoap: I'm comparing it to without the patch to see if there are runtime differences.
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22:58:52cd_rom80g is not supported yet, right?
22:58:54Scottstoneif i do get rockbox
22:58:59Scottstonecan i get rid of it?
22:59:13ydoyou can even dualboot, choose OS at startup
22:59:46Scottstonealright so could someone tell me how i put rockbox on my ipod?
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22:59:51tehsmoalso it's just about impossible to brick an ipod; you'll always have the emergency disk mode to fall back on for restore processes
23:00:31dan_aScottstone: It's in the Wiki
23:00:55cd_romshould be from the site Scottstone!
23:00:55ydooops.. not for nano, sorry
23:01:30ydois the wiki more uptodate?
23:01:36*JdGordon is on a bug killing binge :p
23:02:03LloreanScottstone: For installation instructions, actually, you should use once you get to installing
23:02:13ydoI read somewhere the wiki was outdated (which seemed a little odd to me)
23:02:25JdGordonthe wiki manual is...
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23:02:44JdGordonthe wiki itself isnt
23:02:52Scottstonebut i need to know how you can dualboot?
23:03:02ydoScottstone: r e a d
23:03:05scorchethat is in the FAQ
23:03:36Lloreanydo: The IpodInstallation wiki page was outdated because of the IpodInstallationBeta page.
23:03:41JdGordonok, this si wierd.. i got some odd errors after my commit, do i need to worry (or tell someone) about them?
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23:06:09Scottstonek guys though..
23:06:23Scottstoneif i want to to remove the OS but not my songs
23:06:23dan_aJdGordon: I'd say it looks like the commit mail won't get sent, but everything else is fine
23:06:25Scottstonehow do i do it?
23:06:53dan_aScottstone: It's in the instructions. Basically you run one command
23:06:55LloreanScottstone: Is your iPod a windows iPod?
23:06:59JdGordondan_a: ok, shouold i put that on the dev ml so bagder knows? or leave it?
23:08:02Scottstoneyes Llorean
23:08:17dan_aJdGordon: I don't know - definitely do if it happens again
23:08:17LloreanThen what part of the instructions said you would have to erase your songs?
23:08:34Scottstonemy parents get pissed if i screw up my electronics
23:11:25cd_romthen you shouldn't be doing it at all
23:11:37cd_romno offence!
23:12:01ydoactually you could reset the device iirc from within itunes?
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23:12:50Scottstoneid lose all my songs
23:12:53Scottstoneand pics
23:13:02ydoback them up
23:13:04dan_aScottstone: Why would you?
23:13:16Scottstoneif you restore your ipod..
23:13:41Scottstonei only want to do this if someone tells me exactly how to do it
23:13:41Scottstoneim a dumbass
23:13:45Scottstonei never do things right
23:13:55cd_romthen that's what the manual for
23:14:06Scottstonei suck at that
23:14:23Scottstoneoff topic: were you cg_rom?
23:14:34dan_aScottstone: So you can't read a list of instructions unless someone is in IRC typing them to you?
23:14:48Scottstonedan_a: that is correct
23:14:53cd_romi shoul tell you that you should learn to read first!
23:15:12cd_romthis guy is pretty hilarious!
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23:15:37dan_aScottstone: OK, I've typed really quickly. Check the log here:
23:15:45ydoyes, haven't seen anything like it in a while :)
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23:16:10*cd_rom nods toward ydo
23:16:25Scottstonebut seriously though
23:16:28Scottstonewhich do i want
23:16:36Scottstonebleeding edge build or daily build?
23:16:43*Scottstone :)
23:17:01Soapdan_a FTW.
23:17:21dan_aScottstone: There's very little difference (24 hours at the most,) so get bleeding edge
23:17:23ydoScottstone: daily
23:18:08Scottstonedoily doesnt work
23:18:19Scottstonebleeding does
23:18:22Scottstoneive got all the fiels now
23:18:53dan_aSoap: I've been seeing Sansa users complaining that not reading instructions doesn't work for the last few days. I've almost achieved the patience of Llorean!
23:19:04ydowhy isn't there any stable releases in over a year? there could at least be a beta?
23:19:42tsuyoshialright.. back from my parents' house
23:19:43Lloreandan_a: I think there's a small bonus to Sansa users: Once their device is 100% unusable, they're not likely to come back.
23:20:00tsuyoshinow to install arm cross compiler and disassemble firmware
23:20:03Lloreanydo: How is a beta a stable release?
23:21:02Scottstonewtf my rockbox dl didnt have the fonts in it
23:21:06ydoLlorean: do you have several branches in cvs? isn't there ppl commiting stuff that is questionable and half-done?
23:21:09dan_aydo: There was a list of criterea made for the next stable release, which included getting rid of certain bugs. Unfortunately the evil developers were more interested in adding new ports and new features and new bugs than bugfixing so we never got there
23:21:17Lloreanydo: There are no branches in CVS.
23:21:32ydoLlorean: true, switch to svn ;)
23:21:50Lloreanydo: That's planned for about two weeks from now
23:22:11Scottstonei got a different address..
23:22:27Scottstonefrom Llorean
23:22:34dan_aScottstone: HOW?!
23:22:57cd_romScottstone: i don't think you are serious at all
23:22:57Lloreanydo: There was a feature freeze working toward a 3.0 release, but a few significant mistakes were made in how we began the freeze (for example, we planned to add features DURING it, just specific ones) and so we eventually had to cancel the freeze due to loss of focus, only a few developers were still pounding at the bugs.
23:23:26Lloreanydo: As well, the were a playback code rewrite, but we lost the person who'd done most of that to significant real-world stresses, and nobody else really stepped in to finish stabilizing playback.
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23:24:22dan_aLlorean: So for the next attempt at doing a release, we need to make sure that no-one has any Real Life getting in the way!
23:24:40tsuyoshior do a real freeze
23:24:56Lloreandan_a: The primary thing would be not planning to rewrite the playback engine during the freeze, I think. :-P
23:24:57tsuyoshireal life never actually stops, after all
23:25:04ydoyou need at least two branches and need to commit early and often
23:25:19Lloreanydo: We seem to have survived fine without that so far.
23:25:19ydolalala.. configuration managment cliches, I'm sure you know what I mean
23:25:22LloreanSo I'd hardly say "need"
23:25:31dan_atsuyoshi: I was joking :)
23:25:38tsuyoshioh ok
23:25:44LloreanVersion numbers are an artifact of the unwashed masses and are unnecessary for our work to proceed. :-P
23:26:05LloreanBesides, when we do release a 3.0, everyone is going to shout forth a resounding "THAT'S IT?!"
23:26:17Scottstonek guys serious prob now
23:26:34LloreanBecause people can't get it through their heads that the major version number increment is in relation to 2.5, not in relation to the current CVS state, because DUH, the current CVS state is basically an alpha of what may become 3.0
23:26:35Scottstonethat ipodpatcher thing i need to dl
23:26:47Scottstonei open it, a dos thing coems up for about half a sec, then closes
23:27:03ydoScottstone: click start, run, enter "cmd"
23:27:09LloreanScottstone: Follow the INSTRUCTIONS. Don't just click on things.
23:27:51ydoLlorean: how many developers are you, I looked at the credits yesterday, it was something like 248?
23:28:13scorcheydo: i think somewhere around 60 now
23:28:14Lloreanydo: I'd say there are about 15 active core developers, at a rough guess.
23:28:16dan_aydo: Those are people who have contributed.
23:28:28ydoI don't mean to complain, it just a pity if time is wasted mailing around diffs...
23:28:41*Llorean wonders why they'd mail around diffs.
23:29:25LloreanI mean, yes, in some cases, .diffs have to be exchanged.
23:29:25Scottstonescrew it
23:29:26ydocause they want to try things out on other ppl devices before commiting it to the trunk?
23:29:37Scottstonei was only gonna use it to play doom like once
23:29:45Scottstonetoo many instructions
23:29:54ydoScottstone: you can play .ogg too :)
23:30:16Lloreanydo: The simulators can be used for most non hardware specific stuff, and most hardware specific stuff only needs to be tested on one or a small sample of devices, since it's hardware specific.
23:30:37Lloreanydo: But there's also the patch tracker. If a developer is uncertain about a patch, they post it, and others try it.
23:30:58Scottstonewtf is .ogg
23:31:22debauched_slothare there known issues running the simulator on a 64-bit linux box?
23:31:51debauched_slothI'm crashing loading codecs - some load and play fine, but others fail and all seem to corrupt memory
23:32:38ydoLlorean: but if several people want to code on the same things at the same time?
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23:33:19dan_aydo: CVS deals with that
23:33:21Lloreanydo: If two people are working on the same thing at the same time, usually isn't that a sign of poor communication? Or do you just mean "touching the same file"?
23:33:38amiconndebauched_sloth: mp3 (i.e. libmad) is known to have 64 bit problems
23:33:41ydobut do not want to disrupt the trunk, and work could be going on for months.. and the the trunk changes in these places.. the two or more developers need to do a huge cvs up and deal with integrating that.. its a hassle
23:33:50amiconnMost others should work fine
23:33:55debauched_slothogg seems to be corrupting memory, but it is closer to working
23:34:05ydodan_a: no.. CVS is very bad at that.. bitkeeper is much better imho
23:34:05debauched_slothmp3 is very NOT working
23:34:13amiconnLast time I tried, ogg was playing fine
23:34:38Lloreanydo: So, what you're saying is that the whole time you were working, you wouldn't resync with CVS once?
23:34:38debauched_slothogg plays, but then I get glibc memory corrupted skipping to next track - loading codec
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23:35:12dan_aydo: I've never used Bitkeeper - I use CVS for getting/committing Rockbox, and Git on my own machine to take care of the different things that I'm working on.
23:35:15ydoLlorean: not if the changes were so heavy it made no point
23:35:25ydogit is ok
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23:37:53ydowell.. nice chatting with you, need some sleep now
23:39:13cd_romsleep away!
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23:41:49Soapshould I?
23:44:06LloreanSoap: Aye, that's well representative of a good portion of our user base, but with slightly less patience than average
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23:47:13dan_aLlorean: Less? Are you sure?!
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23:48:18Lloreandan_a: The average user has enough patient to get Rockbox running, then say it looks like crap, get Doom running, say the controls suck, I think.
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23:48:47Soapdon't forget the middle steps.
23:49:01Soap"Where can I get .wad files?"
23:49:12Soap"Where can I get gameboy roms?"
23:49:18jeffbso I guess I have more patience?
23:49:19tsuyoshithis one is hilarious: I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard.
23:49:22yossaDoom controls suck, but I can't fix them :(
23:49:29yossaon sansa
23:49:37LloreanI do have to say though, that users have caused me great fear in what we'll see an influx of once Sansa has sound.
23:50:27Soapso the sansa is brickable?
23:50:29tsuyoshioh this scratchbox thing is cool
23:50:33LloreanSoap: Yes.
23:50:47dan_ayossa: Sorry, your patch had slipped my mind
23:51:12LloreanSoap: Only if you replace the Sandisk bootloader, or write random files to it in recovery mode.
23:51:17Soapit is an inexpensive player. That alone is going to change the demographics.
23:51:31LloreanSoap: Neither of which do you even come CLOSE to doing unless you completely disregard the install instructions and just do random stuff.
23:51:59SoapI'm thinking of picking one up. Recording possibilities?
23:52:05LloreanBuilt in mic.
23:52:07LloreanFM radio
23:52:22yossadan_a: don't get to it just yet. It would appear that it is incomplete. Once fully working and playable versions are done, I will update the patches. Not for doom though (at least anytime soon)
23:53:00yossawell I guess the solitaire one is working as good as it will ever get.
23:53:02LloreanSoap: I'd say if Rockbox gets fully implemented on it, it'll make a very nice recorder.
23:53:20SoapLine in, not just internal mic?
23:53:22Scottstoneok guys
23:53:27Scottstonei have rockbox on my ipod
23:53:39Scottstonehow di i make it so i can choose my stuff at the start
23:53:44LloreanSoap: I'm not sure if it's by way of headphone socket, or dock port, but I'm almost sure there is one.
23:53:44dan_ayossa: OK - give me a poke when you think that anything is ready for committing
23:54:00ScottstoneLlorean, when you have a min, could you tell me how to make it so its like dual thingy
23:54:14Soapit is dual boot by default, Scottstone
23:54:47Scottstoneit auto loads rockbox for me
23:54:50Soapit defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware.
23:55:05Juice^i tried the dual booting stuff on my sansa last week, and it just showed me some errors when i tried to boot to sansas orig firmware, was that a known problem thats been fixed?
23:55:15LloreanJuice^: It works fine for me.
23:55:26dan_aJuice^: It probably means you've not decrypted the OF
23:56:08Juice^ah. yep thats right. i need to run the decrypting tool
23:56:13Juice^i forgot :)
23:56:31Scottstoneguys help!
23:56:41Scottstonehow do i make make it dual boot
23:56:46Scottstoneit auto starts up as the rockbox os
23:57:07dan_aScottstone: [22:54] <Soap> it defaults to Rockbox, and if you boot, and switch the "hold" switch on as soon as you see the Apple Icon, it will boot into Apple firmware.
23:57:56Scottstonesweet thanks guys!
23:58:01Scottstonewheres the doom tut??
23:58:03 Quit debauched_sloth (Remote closed the connection)
23:58:07Scottstonei wnat to put doom on my ipod now
23:58:36yossaIn other news, my friend has actually travelled to China, and being the entrepreneurial guy he is, he managed to contact an electronics manufacture owner who would like to invest in our country.
23:59:01Scottstonethanks llorean

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