| 00:00:15 | | Quit EspeonEefi (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:00:33 | yossa | One thing he lacks, though is the technical know how - what parts to use etc etc |
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| 00:01:55 | yossa | I don't know about open hardware as I haven't discussed it with him, but certainly the firmware will be open source. |
| 00:02:06 | dan_a | yossa: The forum thread about designing hardware around Rockbox may help |
| 00:03:38 | yossa | We've read it, and it helped somehow, but I'd very much like to discuss some things off the record with people who are knowledgeable in the possibilities and limitations of designing players |
| 00:04:10 | yossa | we've got some ideas, but for now they shouldn't get out into the public |
| 00:04:20 | Juice^ | is there a daily build for the sansa? |
| 00:04:42 | Llorean | Juice^: I'm sure you've noticed it's not on the daily build page? |
| 00:05:00 | Juice^ | yes.. but there could be an unofficial link? :p |
| 00:05:07 | Llorean | Why? |
| 00:05:16 | Llorean | There's a CVS build, use that. |
| 00:05:21 | Juice^ | If there was any patches made etc |
| 00:05:21 | Soap | yossa: He wants to use a PortaPlayer chip, and he demands full documentation. |
| 00:05:21 | Juice^ | allright |
| 00:05:27 | Llorean | The CVS build is NEWER than daily builds. |
| 00:05:36 | Juice^ | ok thanks |
| 00:08:15 | yossa | Soap: I believe pp is overkill for the first design we have in mind, but this is all to be decided based on input from people who know better than us. |
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| 00:08:56 | dan_a | yossa: I think the documentation was the more useful think ;) |
| 00:09:03 | dan_a | s/think/thing |
| 00:09:21 | Llorean | Sonuva... |
| 00:09:21 | Llorean | GRR |
| 00:09:28 | Llorean | I forgot to delete battery_bench.txt |
| 00:09:29 | Soap | yossa: Are you thinking about dedicated MP3 hardware? |
| 00:10:07 | * | Llorean will not have bench results until tomorrow. |
| 00:10:18 | yossa | yea I know. Believe me, if we were to get documentation some things would probably happen to benefit of rockbox |
| 00:10:36 | | Part Llorean |
| 00:10:42 | yossa | soap: I'm thinking I don't know what I'm thinking |
| 00:10:56 | yossa | as great as it sounds |
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| 00:12:46 | muesli__ | re |
| 00:13:39 | goffa | so... i see the commit that has play next... is this just insert renamed? |
| 00:15:14 | Scottstone | hey guys |
| 00:15:15 | Scottstone | in doom |
| 00:15:20 | Scottstone | how do you go back? |
| 00:15:23 | Scottstone | in like a menu |
| 00:15:33 | Scottstone | i went to settings, how do i get back to the main menu lol |
| 00:15:46 | Scottstone | as in "New game" "Options" etc |
| 00:16:00 | Soap | goffa: no, insert next inserts a track into the middle of the playlist. |
| 00:16:13 | scorche | Scottstone: manual... |
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| 00:16:22 | Soap | goffa: play next replaces the playlist with your new selection, /after/ the current song finishes. |
| 00:18:07 | goffa | ah |
| 00:18:36 | Soap | talk to LL if you don't like the wording. |
| 00:18:50 | goffa | i don't care.. that makes sense now |
| 00:20:39 | Scottstone | wtf |
| 00:20:39 | Scottstone | dude |
| 00:20:45 | Scottstone | my ipod stoped responding,.. |
| 00:21:20 | Scottstone | GUYS HELP.. |
| 00:21:33 | Scottstone | ooo n/m |
| 00:22:07 | * | scorche sighs |
| 00:22:17 | Scottstone | it scared me there |
| 00:22:24 | Scottstone | i had the hold butoon on |
| 00:22:24 | Scottstone | lmao |
| 00:22:30 | Soap | You don't want a line-in for your Nano, scorche? |
| 00:22:43 | Soap | Or is recording confirmed non-existant? |
| 00:23:26 | scorche | i dont have a use for one |
| 00:23:39 | Scottstone | how do i play music with rockbox? |
| 00:23:42 | scorche | although i guess i could always test things |
| 00:24:04 | scorche | Scottstone: this is the last time i or anyone else will tell you...READ THE MANUAL |
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| 00:24:19 | calamari | hi |
| 00:24:22 | Scottstone | lol.. |
| 00:24:27 | scorche | it isnt funny |
| 00:26:15 | Scottstone | it doesnt say anything about music in it. |
| 00:26:16 | Scottstone | -_- |
| 00:27:19 | cd_rom | Scottstone: i think you are like 14 years old or something |
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| 00:27:29 | scorche | i said read it...not look through it briefly |
| 00:27:57 | Scottstone | w/e |
| 00:28:07 | Scottstone | no need to be anti social guys, jeez. |
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| 00:28:46 | scorche | no need to be so opposed to reading and actually attempting to figure things out for yourself |
| 00:28:52 | Soap | what is more antisocial than coming to an established project, not performing due diligence, and placing demands upon the members to support your too-busy-to-try butt? |
| 00:29:15 | Scottstone | im not placing demands |
| 00:29:17 | Scottstone | im asking |
| 00:29:30 | scorche | and we told you where you can find the answers for yourself |
| 00:29:30 | cd_rom | in your case, there is a difference! |
| 00:29:34 | Soap | repeatedly, and getting snappy when the answers aren't what you want to hear. |
| 00:30:00 | Scottstone | im not getting snappy,bud |
| 00:30:06 | Scottstone | im asking you guys |
| 00:30:15 | Scottstone | and your all pissed off and stuff because you have to help someone |
| 00:30:28 | dan_a | Scottstone: And you've been given answers. |
| 00:30:28 | Scottstone | yeah i have |
| 00:30:28 | Scottstone | and ive used them |
| 00:30:48 | Scottstone | but obviously the firmware isnt very user friendly if i cant find out how to play my damn music |
| 00:30:58 | cd_rom | XD |
| 00:31:11 | scorche | then dont use it...we dont care whether you do or dont honestly... |
| 00:31:20 | Scottstone | but i want to use it.. |
| 00:31:20 | * | cd_rom is wordless |
| 00:31:44 | scorche | then you should *want* to be able to use the device fully |
| 00:31:46 | dan_a | Scottstone: It's *ALL* in the manual. If the manual isn't clear, we will clarify. |
| 00:31:50 | scorche | and reading the manual is how you do that |
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| 00:32:22 | scorche | also read this |
| 00:32:22 | scorche | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before |
| 00:32:36 | Soap | then read the manual. If you have any questions, ask, but please show that you have attempted by citing the parts of the existing documentation you have problems with. Your non-specific questions not only show a lack of reading, they show a lack of effort. Then you complain that effort isn't given unto you. |
| 00:33:04 | Scottstone | i am looking through it, but still cnat find anything about how to get to my music |
| 00:33:09 | Scottstone | could you possibly walk me through it? |
| 00:33:31 | scorche | would you like us to hold your hand too? |
| 00:33:45 | Scottstone | lol now tahts being snappy XD |
| 00:34:11 | scorche | well, you have just about used up all of my and im sure other's patience |
| 00:34:40 | Scottstone | Soap, no |
| 00:35:02 | Scottstone | i do look through things, it says some shit about the browser, but ntohing about how to get to it |
| 00:35:32 | * | dan_a warns Scottstone about language |
| 00:35:59 | Soap | ok Scottstone, do you grasp the concept that Rockbox browses your player just like how windows explorer browses your hard drives? |
| 00:36:15 | Soap | that the default view is a file-tree view? |
| 00:36:17 | Scottstone | Yes |
| 00:36:41 | Soap | ok, look at your ipod root directory in windows explorer. What folders and files do you see? |
| 00:37:04 | Scottstone | Do i need my ipod connected to my comp right bnow? |
| 00:37:41 | Soap | ok, so you don't know what files and folders are in the root of your ipod. |
| 00:37:55 | Scottstone | no, i just got my ipod yesterday.. |
| 00:38:01 | Scottstone | like |
| 00:38:10 | Soap | So that is problem #1 for why you don't recognize the file browser when you see it. |
| 00:38:23 | Scottstone | yeah.. |
| 00:38:43 | Soap | Problem #2 is that rockbox is NOT an ipod only software. |
| 00:38:56 | Scottstone | yeah i know |
| 00:39:01 | Scottstone | im using an ipod in this case though. |
| 00:39:01 | Soap | rockbox on the iRivers is the same as rockbox in the iPods. |
| 00:39:15 | Scottstone | when i first start up rockbox it has |
| 00:39:23 | Soap | right, but where in the file tree your music is stashed is not rockbox's issue. |
| 00:39:46 | Scottstone | well |
| 00:39:47 | Soap | If you are unfamiliar with where on your hard drive your music is - how can the manual help you with that? |
| 00:39:51 | Scottstone | its already on my ipod.. |
| 00:39:51 | Scottstone | but |
| 00:39:57 | Scottstone | how do i access it using rockbox |
| 00:40:01 | Scottstone | ? |
| 00:40:02 | Soap | where is it? |
| 00:40:04 | Scottstone | well |
| 00:40:15 | Scottstone | i did it through itunes |
| 00:40:17 | Scottstone | so |
| 00:40:27 | Scottstone | like |
| 00:40:32 | Soap | ok, I ASSumed that, but that is the first time you have mentioned loading music through iTunes. |
| 00:40:38 | Scottstone | do i need to recopy all my music through My OCmputer? |
| 00:40:51 | Scottstone | like |
| 00:40:53 | Scottstone | i have a music folder |
| 00:41:11 | Scottstone | do i have to put it in my e drive? |
| 00:41:50 | Soap | your iTunes added music is all under cute little subdirectories of \iPod_Control\Music |
| 00:42:43 | Scottstone | wheres that sotred though, on my comp or my ipod? |
| 00:42:51 | Soap | ipod |
| 00:43:00 | Scottstone | hold on |
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| 00:43:06 | Scottstone | ill tell you whats on my ipod in e drive |
| 00:43:21 | Scottstone | 1 sec |
| 00:43:58 | Scottstone | k wtf |
| 00:44:03 | Scottstone | as soon as i cobnnect it |
| 00:44:06 | Scottstone | god dammit |
| 00:44:08 | Scottstone | 1 second |
| 00:44:11 | Scottstone | i mean |
| 00:44:14 | Scottstone | "crap" |
| 00:44:22 | Scottstone | 1 second lol |
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| 00:45:08 | Scottstone | Calendars, Contacts Photos notes games and the rockbox stuff |
| 00:45:24 | Soap | yep |
| 00:45:39 | Soap | you need to change your view settings in Windows to show hidden files and folders. |
| 00:46:00 | Scottstone | oh |
| 00:46:05 | Scottstone | but m ydamn thing keeps closing |
| 00:46:11 | Scottstone | my e drive window |
| 00:47:03 | Scottstone | how do u show hidden files? |
| 00:47:10 | Scottstone | i cnat remember lol |
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| 00:47:40 | Scottstone | n/m |
| 00:47:44 | Scottstone | i figuered it out |
| 00:47:49 | Scottstone | so i have iPod_Control open |
| 00:48:46 | Scottstone | do i copy all those files under music? |
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| 00:49:22 | scorche | last warning for the language |
| 00:49:34 | Scottstone | me? |
| 00:49:49 | Soap | full english words. |
| 00:49:55 | Soap | and no cussing. |
| 00:50:00 | Scottstone | Ok, fine, |
| 00:50:14 | Scottstone | Do I copy the Music folder to my Rockbox folder? |
| 00:50:22 | dan_a | Scottstone: You are rushing ahead and being impatient. Those files are *already* on your iPod, so you can play them from where they are in Rockbox |
| 00:50:41 | Scottstone | Well, then how do I access them,lol |
| 00:50:55 | Scottstone | Rockbox thinks I have no music. |
| 00:51:03 | dan_a | They are in the hidden folder called iPod_Control |
| 00:51:09 | Scottstone | But the Apples firmware knows I do. |
| 00:51:16 | Scottstone | Yeah I unhid it. |
| 00:51:43 | dan_a | No, you didn't. You told Windows to show hidden folders. |
| 00:51:51 | Scottstone | Well, whatever, that's what I meant. |
| 00:51:53 | Scottstone | lol |
| 00:51:58 | dan_a | Rockbox doesn't know to show hidden folders yet. |
| 00:52:04 | Scottstone | Alright. |
| 00:52:08 | cd_rom | Scottstone: you have to do an Initilise update for the database for the song to show up |
| 00:52:13 | Soap | Scottstone: ipod_control\music\<someotherfolder>\*.mp3 |
| 00:52:23 | Scottstone | Do I have to do anotehr CMD thing? |
| 00:52:51 | Soap | no |
| 00:52:59 | Scottstone | Sorry, Soap, but I do not understand what you wrote there lol |
| 00:53:41 | Soap | I was trying to get your to grasp how the file browser is just like windows explorer, and you can navigate to songs all you want, and placethem wherever you want. |
| 00:53:58 | Scottstone | Alright |
| 00:53:59 | Soap | but if you are set on using iTunes to add music, you need to read the chapter in the manual on "Database" |
| 00:54:10 | Scottstone | Ok |
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| 00:58:53 | Scottstone | Alright, so now I did the INITIALIZE NOW, and it said Updating In Background. |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:19 | Soap | wait until the disk stops spinning (you can hear it), and reboot cleanly. |
| 01:01:02 | Scottstone | Ok |
| 01:01:11 | Scottstone | But I can't hear it at all lol |
| 01:01:26 | Scottstone | Well it sounds like a mini fan moving |
| 01:01:36 | Scottstone | When its done that, it will be done? |
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| 01:03:19 | nickv111 | Hey. I got a 3G iPod 10GB from my mom, and when I plug it in through USB and mount /dev/sda3 (the partition), it's mounted as hfsplus, read-only |
| 01:03:31 | nickv111 | I don't understand why it's mounted read-only, because mount shows that it's "rw", but I can't write to it |
| 01:05:11 | Scottstone | alright, thanks soap, it works now |
| 01:06:56 | Soap | nickv111: HFS+ ipods are not supported by Rockbox. |
| 01:07:11 | Soap | nickv111: but there are instructions for converting it to FAT |
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| 01:09:05 | Scottstone | does anyone know if skulltag works on ipods? lol |
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| 01:09:42 | Soap | link? |
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| 01:10:06 | Soap | oh, a doom mod. |
| 01:10:08 | Soap | try it. |
| 01:10:28 | Scottstone | nono skulltag |
| 01:10:29 | Scottstone | is like |
| 01:10:36 | Soap | oh, a doom replacement. |
| 01:10:37 | Scottstone | a program taht u use to play doom online |
| 01:10:39 | Soap | not a wad |
| 01:10:41 | Soap | no |
| 01:11:09 | Scottstone | its like a program, taht runs off of the wad |
| 01:11:46 | cd_rom | nite guys |
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| 01:12:30 | Soap | Scottstone: it is a doom replacement. Not a .wad (resource file) replacement. It would need to be ported to rockbox. |
| 01:14:15 | Scottstone | that would be sweet if they did |
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| 01:14:33 | Soap | they? |
| 01:14:36 | Soap | There is no "they" |
| 01:14:37 | nickv111 | Sorry, computer froze |
| 01:14:43 | LTjake | are there any special instructions for upgrading the bootloader? |
| 01:14:45 | Soap | rockbox is you. |
| 01:14:57 | nickv111 | Anyway, for some reason, my iPod's HFS+ filesystem can't be written to by my computer |
| 01:15:11 | Soap | nickv111: yea, but forget all that. |
| 01:15:11 | dan_a | LTjake: Yes. They are different for every player. |
| 01:15:33 | Soap | nickv111: get your iPod to FAT through the wiki instructions, and go from there. |
| 01:15:41 | nickv111 | Soap: Oh, okay. |
| 01:15:45 | nickv111 | Soap: Thanks |
| 01:16:09 | LTjake | dan_a: would that be in the daily build of the manual? (which appears to be truncated for some reason) |
| 01:16:16 | Scottstone | Soap : by they i meant skulltag |
| 01:16:40 | Soap | ahh |
| 01:17:14 | nickv111 | Hmm. There's no MBR file on that page for a 3G iPod |
| 01:17:28 | nickv111 | It's a 10GB iPod 3G |
| 01:17:57 | dan_a | LTjake: It will probably be in the install instructions. Which kind of player do you have? |
| 01:18:28 | LTjake | dan_a: ipod mini 1G. |
| 01:18:34 | LTjake | (1st gen that is) |
| 01:20:55 | Febs | LTjake: I just made some corrections to the installation instructions in the manual so until they get incorporated into the next daily build manual, follow the instructions here instead: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 01:20:55 | lostlogic | dan_a: any word on committing kernel on cop? still issues WRT ipod_set_cpu_frequency? |
| 01:21:26 | LTjake | Febs: thank ya kindly. |
| 01:21:40 | Scottstone | one more question |
| 01:21:45 | Scottstone | Does tibia work on rockbox? |
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| 01:22:58 | nickv111 | Guys, where's the MBR file for the iPod 3G 10GB? It may not exist, so how do I make it then? |
| 01:23:50 | dan_a | lostlogic: It's not been committed yet. I can't test at the moment (I've only got my Sansa with me) and I got sidetracked before I made any progress with it today... |
| 01:24:34 | Soap | nickv111: do you have access to a windows machine? |
| 01:24:42 | nickv111 | Soap: No. |
| 01:24:45 | nickv111 | Soap: I only run Linux |
| 01:24:55 | Soap | and your friends/family? |
| 01:25:05 | nickv111 | Soap: I don't have any family who runs Windows |
| 01:25:08 | nickv111 | Soap: Only Mac. |
| 01:25:15 | nickv111 | Soap: No friends who do, either |
| 01:25:19 | Soap | then put out a plea to the community here and in the forums for a 3G 10GB MBR. |
| 01:25:42 | Soap | and maybe #ipodlinux |
| 01:25:44 | * | nickv111 sighs. |
| 01:25:59 | nickv111 | If I came across a computer with Windows, how would I get the MBR? |
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| 01:26:03 | Soap | i bet there is another way, but HFS+ conversion is not my strength. |
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| 01:26:26 | nickv111 | Why could I not just go mkdosfs -f 32 /dev/sda3? |
| 01:26:36 | Soap | If you came across a computer with windows (which I can't believe is THAT hard) you would use itunes to "restore" your ipod and in the process format it FAT |
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| 01:27:05 | Soap | I don't know why mkdosfs is not enough. |
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| 01:27:40 | Llorean | Because the MBR needs to be changed as well so that it has a proper partition table. |
| 01:28:13 | dan_a | Would using WINE work? |
| 01:28:17 | Llorean | We are talking about HFS+ -> Fat32 iPod layouts, right? |
| 01:28:21 | Soap | yes |
| 01:28:27 | nickv111 | Hmm |
| 01:28:27 | * | Llorean jumped in without checking the log |
| 01:28:36 | nickv111 | Well, I may be able to find a windows machine |
| 01:28:37 | Llorean | I assume the conversion page has been pointed out? |
| 01:28:38 | Soap | could he hex edit another one of the partition tables? |
| 01:28:47 | Llorean | Ah, no MBR for his device? |
| 01:29:13 | Soap | we are lacking 3G ones. |
| 01:29:39 | Llorean | Ah |
| 01:30:12 | Llorean | I'd say the absolute best thing is to see if iTunes under Wine will restore the iPod |
| 01:31:30 | Soap | is there a difference amongst all those .bin files than the starting and ending addresses? |
| 01:32:41 | LTjake | Febs: seems to have worked. thanks again. |
| 01:32:55 | Febs | No problem! |
| 01:34:25 | Llorean | Soap: I really don't know. But 3Gs aren't supported by iPodPatcher yet because they have a difference of some sort relating to the partitions, so I'd say even if you could just edit one of those to use, we wouldn't have the necessary information to know all the changes that would need to be made |
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| 01:35:17 | chuckwag0n | i need help |
| 01:35:39 | chuckwag0n | can anyone help me? |
| 01:35:39 | Llorean | Soap: But, the iPod Mini 1g and 2g 4gb mbrs look the same, at least |
| 01:35:48 | Llorean | chuckwag0n: You could start by asking a question. |
| 01:37:01 | nickv111 | Okay, once i get the iPod restored, how do I extract the MBR so nobody else has to deal with this problem? |
| 01:37:12 | chuckwag0n | I installed rockbox, the rockbox bootloader comes on but nothing else happens... it just sits there |
| 01:37:34 | chuckwag0n | I rebooted and now I am in disk mode |
| 01:37:37 | chuckwag0n | not sure what I should do next |
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| 01:38:04 | Soap | nickv111: don't quote me, but...don't you just reverse the dd command in the wiki. |
| 01:38:16 | nickv111 | I guess that would make sense |
| 01:38:43 | nickv111 | Actually, no |
| 01:38:52 | nickv111 | dd if=mbr-xxxx.bin of=/dev/diskN |
| 01:39:00 | nickv111 | Rearranging that would write the entire disk to a file |
| 01:39:12 | nickv111 | Which would be 10GB large. . . |
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| 01:40:07 | dan_a | If it's just the MBR, isn't that a fixed size? |
| 01:40:34 | nickv111 | Well, if you did "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-xxxx.bin", it would actually write the entire disk |
| 01:40:36 | Llorean | nickv111: dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-bah bs=512 count=1 ? |
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| 01:40:41 | nickv111 | Ah, bs=512 |
| 01:40:48 | nickv111 | bs=512 count=1 is important |
| 01:40:49 | nickv111 | Thank you. |
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| 01:41:33 | JAson | #gigabeat |
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| 01:42:44 | nickv111 | Grr. Now ipodpatcher is saying no iPods are attached |
| 01:43:07 | | Quit hcs () |
| 01:43:09 | nickv111 | nick@p1mp:~/local/src/rockbox$ ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda -r bootpartition.bin |
| 01:43:11 | nickv111 | <snip> |
| 01:43:16 | nickv111 | [ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000) |
| 01:43:29 | chuckwag0n | Llorean: I installed rockbox, the rockbox bootloader comes on but nothing else happens... it just sits there with no error message |
| 01:43:34 | Llorean | nickv111: You have to use the old iPodPatcher instructions, the ones that also use ipod_fw (see the manual, or the IpodInstallation wiki page) as the new ipodpatcher doesn't support 3Gs yet |
| 01:43:45 | nickv111 | Oh, thanks |
| 01:43:49 | Llorean | chuckwag0n: So, you get Result: 0, and then nothing? |
| 01:43:53 | Llorean | The screen never changes? |
| 01:44:16 | chuckwag0n | Llorean: the last message is the discription of my HDD |
| 01:44:22 | Llorean | What does it say? |
| 01:44:35 | | Part calamari ("Leaving") |
| 01:45:02 | chuckwag0n | Llorean: TOSHIBA MK8010GAH |
| 01:46:16 | Llorean | You're trying to install on an 80gb |
| 01:46:24 | chuckwag0n | yes |
| 01:46:29 | chuckwag0n | I can't? |
| 01:46:32 | Llorean | Which NOTHING on our site says we support. |
| 01:46:39 | chuckwag0n | ok |
| 01:46:42 | chuckwag0n | I just assume |
| 01:46:58 | Llorean | In fact, on the very front page, it says clearly that we don't support it. |
| 01:47:00 | Llorean | In italics. |
| 01:47:10 | Llorean | You're just going to have to reboot into disk mode and uninstall |
| 01:47:24 | Soap | fourth line of front page says "(Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" |
| 01:47:46 | Soap | oh, speedy McFingers beat me again. |
| 01:48:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:48:28 | chuckwag0n | when do you plan on supporting it? |
| 01:48:49 | dan_a | chuckwag0n: When it works |
| 01:49:02 | Llorean | chuckwag0n: It's not an issue of planning. It's an issue of "When we discover what's keeping it from working" |
| 01:49:47 | Llorean | dan_a: One day I just want to respond "We've decided not to support them until November 2007 just so we can laugh at the people foolish enough to buy them." or something similar. |
| 01:50:00 | dan_a | lostlogic: We need to run ipod_set_cpu_frequency from both cores. |
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| 01:50:46 | dan_a | Llorean: You've got to tell people that anyone who has made a donation of 1000USD to the project can use it earlier, though |
| 01:51:12 | lostlogic | dan_a: weird, I thought the COP was just slaved to the CPU at 1/2 or 1/4 clock? |
| 01:51:13 | lostlogic | (or 1/1) |
| 01:52:02 | dan_a | lostlogic: I suspect that we don't need to run it from both cores, but something about running it from the second core works better than running it from the main core (a timing issue) |
| 01:52:18 | chuckwag0n | Llorean: thanks for the help, hopefully rockbox can work for the 80g one day |
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| 01:54:19 | Llorean | chuckwag0n: People are working hard at it, it's likely to happen, but it's impossible to predict when. |
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| 01:55:06 | dan_a | lostlogic: What happens if we do the things for set_cpu_frequency on both cores? My guess would be that things will work worse as the PLL will be reclocking more. |
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| 01:56:37 | Llorean | lostlogic: I screwed up the battery bench, so I'll have to run another one while I sleep tonight, unfortunately |
| 01:57:46 | hcs | what's the story here? I've come in on the middle of this discussion a few times |
| 01:57:53 | hcs | (or should I just read the logs) |
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| 01:58:27 | dan_a | hcs: We're playing with the second PortalPlayer core again |
| 01:59:07 | hcs | sounds like more success this round |
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| 02:00:09 | dan_a | We're about ready to do some commits, and it seems that having the second core running doesn't hurt battery life (so doing processing on the second core should improve battery life) |
| 02:00:29 | hcs | cool |
| 02:02:54 | lostlogic | Llorean: np :) |
| 02:03:07 | nickv111 | Llorean: Hmm. It appears that I still need to use ipodpatcher to extract the boot partition |
| 02:03:15 | nickv111 | Llorean: And it's not recognizing my iPod, so this doesn't work |
| 02:03:25 | lostlogic | dan_a: I'd guess the same WRT setting the cpu frequency on both cores |
| 02:03:29 | lostlogic | dan_a: but haven't tested it |
| 02:03:29 | dan_a | lostlogic: Loading Rockbox using Rolo kills the main thread on the COP. Odd (sort of - I've not got my head around what we need to do with the mmap registers) |
| 02:03:54 | Llorean | nickv111: apparently the old-version ipodpatcher.exe is gone now. :( |
| 02:04:09 | nickv111 | Llorean: So, what am I to do? |
| 02:04:35 | lostlogic | dan_a: I haven't actually looked earlier than main and cop_main... it's underneath my threshold of knowledge :-\ |
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| 02:08:09 | Llorean | nickv111: You're on linux, no? |
| 02:08:32 | nickv111 | Yes. |
| 02:08:50 | Llorean | nickv111: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin (not /sda1 not /sda), then once you have rockboot.bin, dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1 |
| 02:09:13 | nickv111 | Oh, wow |
| 02:09:13 | Llorean | (note /sda1, not /sda) |
| 02:09:18 | nickv111 | Right |
| 02:09:23 | nickv111 | Thanks. |
| 02:09:26 | Llorean | ipodpatcher is a simplified dd |
| 02:09:31 | Llorean | was |
| 02:09:36 | nickv111 | Oh. |
| 02:09:46 | nickv111 | Huh |
| 02:09:47 | Llorean | Now it does a bit more since it covers the ipod_fw steps for you |
| 02:11:01 | nickv111 | But I can use ipod_fw. . . |
| 02:11:06 | Llorean | Yup |
| 02:11:15 | nickv111 | If I had ipod_fw |
| 02:11:22 | nickv111 | Which I don't. All there is is an exe |
| 02:11:38 | Llorean | ipod_fw should be in the /tools/ folder of the Rockbox source archive |
| 02:11:42 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 02:11:47 | Llorean | It's also a .c file on that page |
| 02:11:58 | nickv111 | Oh. . . |
| 02:12:15 | nickv111 | I prefer a .c file ;) |
| 02:12:37 | Llorean | Well, it would've been a .c file in the /tools/ folder too. :-P |
| 02:12:42 | Llorean | It's just easier to download when it's sitting around on its own |
| 02:18:14 | nickv111 | Heh |
| 02:18:20 | nickv111 | Well, now my iPod needs to charge |
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| 02:18:26 | nickv111 | So, I can't try this out yet |
| 02:19:10 | Llorean | Heh |
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| 02:29:11 | JdGordon | Llorean: re fs 6293, the playlist should reshuffle if repeat mode is repeat shuffle and shuffle is off yeah? |
| 02:30:15 | Llorean | Shuffle: Off, Repeat: Shuffle should play through sequentially the first time, then shuffle for the next playthrough |
| 02:30:31 | Llorean | Shuffle: On, Repeat: All, should shuffle once, then never reshuffle the playlist. |
| 02:30:54 | JdGordon | the first is the bug, the 2nd shuold happen now yeah? |
| 02:31:19 | Llorean | Dunno, I never really get through a playlist while I'm shufflling. :) |
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| 02:32:24 | JdGordon | hmm... aparently repeat all and shuffle off does shuffle the playlist before restarting |
| 02:32:46 | Llorean | shuffle on, you mean? |
| 02:32:56 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:33:05 | Llorean | That may be intentional |
| 02:33:10 | Llorean | I don't know whether it's supposed to reshuffle or not like that. |
| 02:33:16 | JdGordon | then repeat shuffle is unesacery |
| 02:33:42 | Llorean | It's still necessary for Shuffle: Off, Repeat: Shuffle, but only for that one situation. |
| 02:34:06 | JdGordon | repeat all shuffle on tho shouldnt reshuffle tho |
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| 02:34:30 | Llorean | In my mind, at least, it shouldn't |
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| 02:38:01 | Tman | hey, I know this question doesn't quite belong in here, but I just got an iPod which I'm 99% sure is corrupt; does anyone know where I could get a disk image for a freshly formatted iPod (30GB 5.0G Video)? |
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| 02:38:18 | JdGordon | hmm.... the playlist code is horrible. I cant see why it is reshuffling if shuffle is off in repeat all mode |
| 02:38:33 | Mouser_X | So, I'm wanting to buy a portable media player. |
| 02:38:47 | Mouser_X | Within the $100-$150 range. |
| 02:39:03 | Mouser_X | Would someome please help me out, and offer suggestions? |
| 02:39:08 | hcs | (that plays rockbox, that is) |
| 02:39:17 | BHSPitMonkey | ;) |
| 02:39:17 | Mouser_X | Heh, good point. |
| 02:39:20 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 02:39:47 | Llorean | Tman: Why not just follow the official Apple restore method? |
| 02:39:53 | scorche | in that range, all you really have are 1st gen nanos and the (soon to be a port) sansas |
| 02:39:58 | Mouser_X | I'd prefer not to get an iPod, but that all depends on pricing, availability, and features. |
| 02:40:07 | Llorean | Mouser_X: You're not going to get much in the way of "media" players for that price range, usually that covers "Flash-based Audio Players" |
| 02:40:08 | scorche | unless you find one of the older units for cheap on ebay |
| 02:40:36 | Tman | Llorean: well to give you an idea.. when my dad's windows computer finally registers the iPod as a disk (in normal or disk mode), iTunes hangs, and the iPod updater crashes |
| 02:40:37 | Llorean | Mouser_X: But I'd says the Sansa e200 series is your best bet, since the retail firmware plays video (not great, but it does) and the hardware is nice. |
| 02:40:38 | Mouser_X | I'm seeing the iPod photo going for $100-$150 on eBay. |
| 02:40:41 | Mouser_X | 30GB model. |
| 02:41:13 | Mouser_X | (30GB is the minimum storage I'm looking at) |
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| 02:42:18 | Tman | Llorean: ..might be more than a corrupt disk |
| 02:43:44 | Llorean | Tman: In that case an image isn't going to do you much good, but you could start with a scandisk |
| 02:44:32 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Then in that case you should probably go with the iPod Photo, if it does what you want |
| 02:44:46 | Mouser_X | So, in the $100-$150 range, with 30GB of storage, that runs Rockbox, my options are at best, limited. |
| 02:45:00 | Mouser_X | Yah, that's what I thought. |
| 02:45:04 | * | JdGordon was just on a wild goose hunt :'( |
| 02:45:15 | JdGordon | it doesnt shuffle if repeat all is on and shuffle is off |
| 02:45:34 | nickv111 | Uh oh |
| 02:45:40 | nickv111 | I may have bricked my iPod |
| 02:45:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: From the sounds of it, the bug is that it doesn't shuffle if Repeat is Shuffle, and Shuffle is Off |
| 02:46:02 | Llorean | nickv111: If you've managed that, I'll be impressed. |
| 02:46:02 | nickv111 | I just did dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin |
| 02:46:16 | nickv111 | Then, I followed the steps on it from here: |
| 02:46:25 | nickv111 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 02:46:30 | Llorean | And? |
| 02:46:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: yeah, there was that which i've fixed, it was the other shuffling i needed to check |
| 02:46:36 | nickv111 | I also have Rockbox already installed on it |
| 02:46:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ah |
| 02:46:57 | nickv111 | And I just get an Apple on the screen |
| 02:46:58 | Mouser_X | Llorean: So, with the stuff I've told you, you'd say that the iPod photo is probably my best bet? Is there any other options that you can think of, from something other than the iPod brand? I'll probably go for the iPod, but if there's other options, I'd like to look. |
| 02:46:58 | nickv111 | I tried resetting it, but to no avail |
| 02:46:58 | Llorean | nickv111: Then you made a mistake somewhere in the steps. |
| 02:47:03 | nickv111 | But I can't seem to correct it is the problem |
| 02:47:10 | Llorean | nickv111: Toggle hold on then off, then hold the reset combination for about 15 seconds |
| 02:47:41 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Well, the iRiver H140 is a good device if you can find it in that price range, but it's definitely an Audio Player not a Media Player |
| 02:47:52 | nickv111 | Llorean: Nothing |
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| 02:48:25 | nickv111 | Llorean: Nothing is happening now' |
| 02:48:46 | Llorean | You've used the reset combination before? |
| 02:48:46 | Mouser_X | Llorean: When I say "media player" I'm refering to the fact that I have all kinds of stuff (mostly audio based) that I want to run. However, some of these formats may be CPU intensive (NSF, SPC, etc.). |
| 02:49:14 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Most people mean Video by "Media player" |
| 02:49:22 | Mouser_X | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 02:49:33 | Llorean | Mouser_X: NSF can run on the H140, SPC doesn't have support in Rockbox yet so I dunno, but it's very possible. |
| 02:49:44 | nickv111 | Llorean: It's not doing anything |
| 02:49:46 | Llorean | nickv111: What buttons are you holding? |
| 02:49:50 | Mouser_X | I'll look for the H140, thanks. |
| 02:49:54 | nickv111 | Llorean: Middle button and menu |
| 02:50:06 | Llorean | Wrong |
| 02:50:12 | Llorean | On 1st through 3rd generations it's Menu + Play/Pause |
| 02:50:20 | Llorean | Menu + Select is 4th generation onward |
| 02:50:36 | nickv111 | Oh, there we go |
| 02:50:41 | nickv111 | Menu + Play/Pause |
| 02:50:42 | nickv111 | Thanks |
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| 02:52:05 | Mouser_X | How old is the H140? |
| 02:52:07 | nickv111 | What's the right way to go into disk mode? |
| 02:52:19 | Llorean | nickv111: Immediately after rebooting hold FF and RW down to force it into disk mode, from which you can DD the original bootpartition.bin back and make sure everything runs normally |
| 02:52:21 | Mouser_X | As far as I can tell, I can't find any on eBay... |
| 02:52:33 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It's a few years old. |
| 02:52:50 | Mouser_X | Ah, |
| 02:52:58 | Mouser_X | iPod it is then, it looks like. |
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| 02:53:06 | Mouser_X | That's what I figured. |
| 02:53:08 | Llorean | They seem to be scarce. |
| 02:53:11 | Llorean | They were popular a few months back. |
| 02:53:21 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
| 02:53:21 | Llorean | Maybe all eaten up during Christmas though |
| 02:53:26 | Mouser_X | Good point. |
| 02:53:35 | nickv111 | Llorean: Okay, and my computer's still not recognizing it |
| 02:53:40 | Llorean | nickv111: You're in disk mode? |
| 02:53:56 | Mouser_X | That's one of the reasons I'm looking now, actually. I figured, prices are down, and people are selling off the ones they don't want. |
| 02:53:59 | nickv111 | Llorean: I don't think so. It's not showing up on dmesg |
| 02:54:08 | Llorean | nickv111: What does the iPod screen show? |
| 02:54:12 | nickv111 | Llorean: Apple. |
| 02:54:19 | Llorean | then you didn't hold them early enough |
| 02:54:30 | Llorean | Disk mode will show a screen much like the normal connection screen. |
| 02:54:46 | nickv111 | I hold them as soon as the screen cuts out |
| 02:54:50 | Llorean | This is all in a flash ROM in the device, so nothing you've done to the hard disk can remove this functionality. |
| 02:55:05 | nickv111 | I IMMEDIATELY press FF and RW, and it still doesn't show anything |
| 02:55:21 | Llorean | You press and HOLD them? |
| 02:55:37 | nickv111 | Yes. |
| 02:55:42 | Llorean | How long? |
| 02:55:49 | nickv111 | Until it shows the Apple logo |
| 02:55:59 | Llorean | You're probably releasing too early |
| 02:56:16 | quader | is there anyone that can help to get the gigabeat rockbox? |
| 02:56:27 | quader | just a simple install question |
| 02:56:37 | Llorean | Try holding them for a good amount of time, as the Apple logo should display then continue on to the disk mode screen if you hold them down long enough. |
| 02:57:07 | Llorean | quader: They haven't submitted their code to us, it is at the moment an unofficial port and best asked in their channel where people actually know how to use it. |
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| 02:57:35 | quader | sorry I thought they were in this channel thank you though |
| 02:57:39 | nickv111 | Llorean: Hmm. |
| 02:57:42 | nickv111 | Llorean: Still nothing |
| 02:57:48 | nickv111 | Llorean: I probably held it down for well over a minute |
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| 02:59:29 | Llorean | nickv111: Well, another set of instructions says reset, and then when you see the apple logo THEN press the Fast forward and Rewind buttons, so I guess try that. |
| 02:59:57 | Llorean | nickv111: As I said, it's in flash, and nothing you've done can remove this functionality, so it's all a matter of you not doing it right. Since I've never used a 3G iPod, I don't know the timing for it. |
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| 03:00:18 | nickv111 | Llorean: That didn't work either |
| 03:03:40 | Llorean | Well I don't know what to say. Everything I know about the hardware says that it's still an issue of you not doing it quite right, but I dunno. |
| 03:04:01 | nickv111 | Llorean: Me either |
| 03:04:13 | nickv111 | Llorean: I just don't know what to do no |
| 03:04:14 | nickv111 | now* |
| 03:04:29 | nickv111 | It's most likely not broken, but I don't know how to get into disk mode |
| 03:07:31 | Mouser_X | Well, thanks for your help on the portable player deal. |
| 03:07:53 | Mouser_X | It looks like I'll have to get it refurbished (that doesn't surprise me) if I want it to be within my price range. |
| 03:08:59 | nickv111 | Llorean: What should I do now? |
| 03:09:34 | BHSPitMonkey | Mouser_X, be careful with that approach... hard-drive based players do have a tendency to have a shelf life |
| 03:10:05 | Mouser_X | Well, I figure that being refurbished, they'd have that looked into. |
| 03:10:12 | Llorean | nickv111: As I said, I don't know. I don't have a 3G, and have never even touched one, so I've come to the limit of what help I can offer. If someone with a 3G were around, perhaps they could give you better advice, but I fear nobody is. |
| 03:10:20 | Mouser_X | I guess I just have to much faith in the corprate world... |
| 03:10:40 | nickv111 | Llorean: I just can't believe I can't get into disk move |
| 03:10:43 | argonel | nickv111: it still has the apple firmware on it? |
| 03:10:43 | nickv111 | mode* |
| 03:10:45 | nickv111 | argonel: Yes. |
| 03:10:58 | argonel | nickv111: what is it displaying atm? |
| 03:11:02 | nickv111 | argonel: Apple |
| 03:11:12 | nickv111 | argonel: Wait, maybe it doesn't have apple firmware |
| 03:11:17 | argonel | backlight? |
| 03:11:17 | nickv111 | I replaced the boot partition |
| 03:11:36 | nickv111 | Actually, I think I put the Rockbox firmware on it |
| 03:11:42 | argonel | hmm |
| 03:11:44 | nickv111 | Like, I combined the disk image with the firmware |
| 03:12:00 | nickv111 | Anyway, it's displaying an apple |
| 03:12:02 | nickv111 | No backlight |
| 03:12:09 | argonel | i'm not entirely certain how its going to behave.. you should be able to get it into disk mode if the disk is working |
| 03:12:25 | argonel | what have you got it plugged into? |
| 03:12:29 | nickv111 | My computer |
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| 03:12:37 | argonel | usb or firewire? |
| 03:12:55 | nickv111 | USB |
| 03:14:02 | argonel | so press and hold the play and menu buttons till the apple logo goes away and comes back, switch to holding the next and previous buttons until the apple logo changes to something else |
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| 03:15:25 | JdGordon | ok, next question.... shohuold the delete screen update more often (and show which file is being deleted) instead of just saying the directory and looking like its frozen? |
| 03:15:34 | JdGordon | the exra updates will slow it down a bit possibly |
| 03:16:03 | nickv111 | argonel: See, I've tried this multiple times, but all I get is an Apple. It never changes |
| 03:16:03 | Llorean | JdGordon: Maybe update every 3 seconds? |
| 03:16:06 | nickv111 | But I have to go eat. BRB |
| 03:16:27 | argonel | nickv111: does the apple logo even blink when resetting? |
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| 03:17:25 | JdGordon | Llorean: well, atm ive got it showing each file it deletes. I could make tha every 3 sec, but on large files it will mis updates and still look frozen |
| 03:18:20 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, but not for terribly long, still |
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| 03:20:21 | sid | I got an iPod for Christmas, a 30 gig one. :( |
| 03:20:42 | Abcminiuser | What's wrong with that? |
| 03:20:50 | Mouser_X | Yes, that's what I want... |
| 03:20:53 | sid | Ot |
| 03:21:00 | Mouser_X | sid: Want to sell it to me? |
| 03:21:02 | Mouser_X | :D |
| 03:21:03 | sid | It's non-free software and commodity hardware. |
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| 03:21:15 | Abcminiuser | I'll take it! |
| 03:21:24 | Mouser_X | I'll pay for it! |
| 03:21:25 | Abcminiuser | A little RockBox love will help it... |
| 03:21:31 | sid | I got speakers with it, and the fm transmitter and some kickstand case too |
| 03:21:38 | falz | considering getting an ipod, but would like to use an alternate OS on it. found rockbox, sounds nice. a few questions.. |
| 03:22:09 | sid | Is there anything Rockbox has that the proprietary non-free iPod software doesn't have? or vise versa |
| 03:22:12 | Abcminiuser | Heaps |
| 03:22:22 | falz | I know rockbox is ported to many devices, more than just the ipod- does anyone know offhand if using "dock" like features such as a car stereo that can control an ipod are properly emulated back from rockbox? |
| 03:22:26 | Mouser_X | Uh... |
| 03:22:27 | Mouser_X | Yah... |
| 03:22:27 | Mouser_X | TONS! |
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| 03:22:33 | Abcminiuser | Rockbox can record sound to MP3, WAV, etc |
| 03:22:44 | Mouser_X | It can play ADX, and NSF. |
| 03:22:46 | Abcminiuser | It can run third party plugins, like games |
| 03:22:51 | Abcminiuser | Play MANY MANY more formats |
| 03:22:54 | sid | Can I play .ogg(theora+vorbis)? |
| 03:22:57 | Mouser_X | Lots of other stuff, but that's what's important for me. |
| 03:23:12 | Abcminiuser | Manage the files on the iPod rather than having to use the computer |
| 03:23:16 | hcs | falz: the remote control stuff doesn't work just now, afaik |
| 03:23:22 | Abcminiuser | You can customize the interface |
| 03:23:35 | Abcminiuser | CONS: AWFUL battery life, database system isn't as good |
| 03:23:38 | hcs | it does have pause/resume on headphone disconnect, though... |
| 03:23:39 | Mouser_X | sid: Yes, Rockbox can play OGG. |
| 03:23:40 | falz | hcs: I'll check the wiki to see if there's any dev talk on it. can one "dual boot" with rockbox? or must it be usb'd and uninstalled? |
| 03:23:49 | Abcminiuser | Yep, dualboot |
| 03:24:06 | falz | nice. how long does a boot take? and, is the filesystem readable by both? |
| 03:24:10 | Abcminiuser | Hold MENU on startup, or turn on the hold switch on startup |
| 03:24:10 | falz | ie, if I wanted non-drm'd mp3's just thrown on there? |
| 03:24:19 | hcs | both apple firmware and rockbox will read FAT32 |
| 03:24:33 | Abcminiuser | Falz, bootup is about 5 secs on my 4G iPod |
| 03:24:33 | falz | so the newer ipods are all fat32? |
| 03:24:33 | hcs | but apple needs the files in a special database to see them |
| 03:24:33 | Abcminiuser | And no, the filesystem's are different |
| 03:24:43 | Abcminiuser | Well, yes |
| 03:24:46 | falz | slick. I was reading how to mount it in linux, and everything I read was hfs shit, it must have been out of date. |
| 03:24:59 | Abcminiuser | But iTunes mangles all the file names, so no point in Rockbox being able to see them |
| 03:25:00 | hcs | you can get them either hfs or fat formatted |
| 03:25:21 | hcs | Abcminiuser: it is possible to convert the iTunesDB to rockbox's database format |
| 03:25:27 | Abcminiuser | But you'll need to make sure it's FAT32 |
| 03:25:28 | falz | I thought they were all one way or another since they dropped the firewire support |
| 03:25:47 | Abcminiuser | HCS: Jiggered if I know |
| 03:25:52 | falz | ok, that all sounds good. |
| 03:25:57 | Abcminiuser | iTunes buggers the filenames when it copies them over |
| 03:26:03 | falz | the only way I could buy an apple product is if it didnt run apple software. :) |
| 03:26:08 | Abcminiuser | And rockbox uses filenames nativly rather than the ID3 tags |
| 03:26:24 | falz | with rockbox, would say, an ipod, be able to be just a mountable drive that I can throw files on, and rock reads 'em? |
| 03:26:26 | Abcminiuser | Although I did manage to get it stuck in ID3 mode once, I need to re-read the manual... |
| 03:26:35 | Abcminiuser | Yep, it appears as a removable disk |
| 03:26:40 | falz | swiza. |
| 03:26:40 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 03:26:46 | Abcminiuser | Chuck whatever you want on it, and RockBox will read it |
| 03:27:08 | Mouser_X | As long as it's a format it can handle. |
| 03:27:15 | falz | ok, what about something like point to point usb, if one wanted to dump a bunch of digicam images to it while on vaca or something? |
| 03:27:29 | hcs | no |
| 03:27:37 | Mouser_X | I was going to say that. |
| 03:27:38 | hcs | not possible with the hardware, I understand |
| 03:27:51 | Mouser_X | Yah, I read through that section of the site a day or 2 ago. |
| 03:27:52 | Abcminiuser | No, it is on some of the iPods |
| 03:28:06 | Mouser_X | Oh, cool. |
| 03:28:08 | Abcminiuser | USB to Go functionalty, but there's no docs on the chips, so it can't be implemented |
| 03:28:12 | falz | a friend of mine did it with an ipod from ~2 years ago. indeed, I need to check if harware is supported. |
| 03:28:25 | falz | I assumed there was a simple p2p usb spec or something that they adhered to. |
| 03:28:27 | Abcminiuser | At least, not with Rockbox unless Apple helps |
| 03:29:22 | Mouser_X | Well, I think that if you successfully disassemble the original software (and can read/interpret/port that stuff) that you could figure it out. |
| 03:29:24 | hcs | rockbox can't use the usb at all, just now |
| 03:29:35 | falz | ? |
| 03:29:44 | Mouser_X | It'd definatly take a lot of work though. |
| 03:29:49 | Abcminiuser | Yes, but disassembly is a PAIN in the butt, especially if it's obfuscated |
| 03:30:06 | Abcminiuser | HCS, you can obviously load songs through the USB |
| 03:30:16 | Abcminiuser | But you can't use the iPod as a USB host |
| 03:30:16 | hcs | but not from within rockbox |
| 03:30:17 | falz | yea, that's what my questionmark was about. |
| 03:30:25 | falz | I see, so rockbox runs at a higher level? |
| 03:30:31 | Abcminiuser | Not quite |
| 03:30:45 | Abcminiuser | Actually, it just hooks into the emergency disk mode code from the Apple bootloader I believe |
| 03:31:01 | Abcminiuser | So when you plug in the USB, RockBox shuts down and it reboots into disk mode |
| 03:31:03 | hcs | anyone with flyspray knowledge: is it possible that a patch submission was lost? |
| 03:31:28 | hcs | when the server went down the other day? |
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| 03:31:58 | Abcminiuser | HCS, quite possible, but I have no knowledge |
| 03:32:04 | Abcminiuser | Depends on what the problem was |
| 03:32:19 | Abcminiuser | They might have had to restore from a backup, for instance |
| 03:32:21 | sid | I'm on Debian GNU/Linux, what rockbox build do I want? for the 30 gig iPod |
| 03:32:22 | Mouser_X | SPC player patch from Pagefault. |
| 03:34:00 | hcs | he claims to have submitted it, but it was just before the server went down, dang it all |
| 03:34:10 | Mouser_X | Indeed... |
| 03:34:13 | argonel | nickv111: well, ping me when you return.. there are quite a few more things to try |
| 03:34:13 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 03:34:31 | hcs | hopefully when he gets back home he can put it up again |
| 03:37:23 | hcs | I'm sure he's getting tired of me asking about it... |
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| 03:37:59 | Mouser_X | How about I ask about it next time? |
| 03:38:00 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 03:38:53 | sid | If I put music on the iPod when it has proprietary software, and then I put rockbox(free/libre software) will my music still be there? or do I have to format over that? |
| 03:40:08 | hcs | your music will still be there, but if it is DRM protected you will not be able to play it with rockbox |
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| 03:40:53 | Mouser_X | sid: Did your question get answered? |
| 03:41:13 | zif | Howdy! My 2nd gen iPod Mini is stuck on the rockbox USB cable screen... does anyone have an idea how to fix it? |
| 03:41:28 | sid | Mouser_X: no |
| 03:41:38 | Mouser_X | It will still be there. |
| 03:41:41 | Mouser_X | But, the file names will be mangled. |
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| 03:41:44 | Mouser_X | Meaning, completely meaningless. |
| 03:41:49 | Mouser_X | ID3 tags will be intact though. |
| 03:41:59 | sid | k, I have good id3 tags so that's good. |
| 03:42:04 | argonel | heh isn't that a lovely feature |
| 03:42:05 | sid | Why do they mangle the filenames? |
| 03:42:12 | sid | is that some anti-piracy measure? heh |
| 03:42:12 | Mouser_X | No idea. |
| 03:42:21 | sid | or a filesystem limitation? |
| 03:42:29 | argonel | probably a bit of both |
| 03:42:31 | Mouser_X | Though, part of it might be that they put all the files into one big folder. |
| 03:42:50 | sid | Which rockbox I want? |
| 03:42:52 | sid | heh |
| 03:42:59 | Mouser_X | That I don't know. |
| 03:43:07 | sid | I'm excited to start using the iPod but I don't want to use the proprietary crap. |
| 03:43:10 | Mouser_X | (I don't have a portable player yet, nor Rockbox.) |
| 03:43:26 | Mouser_X | (This is why I offered to buy yours...) |
| 03:43:51 | sid | Well my girlfriend went crazy...and she wants to keep it |
| 03:44:00 | argonel | isn't a new 30g is probably a 5.5? |
| 03:44:12 | sid | So now so I feel better about supporting evil drm infested companies like APple I have to at least put free/libre software on it. |
| 03:44:34 | falz | has anyone heard of any non-apple mp3 players that are compatible with all of the boomboxes, car head units, etc? non-apple that appears to be an ipod and is able to be controlled and such. |
| 03:45:45 | argonel | those things probably require an apple compatible dock connector |
| 03:45:55 | falz | yea |
| 03:46:03 | falz | I mean a competing mp3 player that uses the same dock |
| 03:46:06 | sid | I have the 5g generation, according to ipodlinux.com |
| 03:46:11 | sid | s/.com/.org/ |
| 03:46:24 | Mouser_X | My brother has an MP3 player that has an FM transmitter, so it can transmit the songs to your car radio. |
| 03:47:01 | falz | my stereo can control an ipod and list tracks on screen and such, I'm seeing if anything exists like that so I don't have to give apple any money, which I've vowed to not do. |
| 03:47:11 | sid | $ file -s /dev/sda2 |
| 03:47:13 | sid | /dev/sda2: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID "*UOKJIHC", Bytes/sector 2048, sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 48195, sectors 14603082 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 3565, serial number 0x5b99a10a, label: "IPOD |
| 03:47:21 | sid | So it's fat32, so I don't need to reformat it. |
| 03:47:25 | argonel | i think belkin make an fm wireless unit that just plugs into the headphone jack |
| 03:47:31 | sid | (Can I use ext3, isn't that superior for large files and such?) |
| 03:47:41 | argonel | sid: i don't know what the difference is between a 5 and a 5.5 |
| 03:47:41 | hcs | argonel: yep, and I have it |
| 03:47:55 | hcs | sid: no, rockbox doesn't support ext3 |
| 03:48:11 | sid | k |
| 03:48:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:48:30 | sid | So I just get the source code and compile it and throw it on the iPod? It's that simple?(via the dd command) |
| 03:48:54 | hcs | you could get the daily precompiled build, too |
| 03:49:14 | hcs | but essentially, yes, the bootloader needs to be dd'd but the rest is just copied into the filesystem |
| 03:49:15 | sid | hcs: Where is that? |
| 03:49:20 | argonel | sid: there appear to be instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 03:49:34 | sid | yea, I read the instructions a couple times |
| 03:49:43 | sid | just a little nervous about overwriting the mbr, just double checking |
| 03:49:59 | hcs | keep a backup and therefore no worry |
| 03:50:25 | hcs | There is a 2 day period without any flyspray submissions, it must have fallen in there... |
| 03:50:30 | argonel | sid: i understand.. no reason to desire a brand-new christmas brick :) |
| 03:51:37 | sid | http://rafb.net/p/R6dtiO56.html |
| 03:51:59 | argonel | you might be able to convince applecare to replace it though, if you never ever mention playing with the firmware or linux or anything other than itunes 7 :) |
| 03:52:20 | sid | Now as root I type "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin count=1" while in the directory where mbr.bin is(rename ipod_fw to mbr.bin right?) |
| 03:52:27 | nickv111 | argonel: The Apple logo turns off when resetting, and then comes back on. |
| 03:52:37 | argonel | nickv111: ok, so its not unresponsive |
| 03:52:41 | sid | o wait, wtf this is a backup |
| 03:52:57 | argonel | nickv111: as i recall the 3g doesn't charge by usb.. what does it do if you unplug it from the computer? |
| 03:53:15 | argonel | ipods can be a little hard to get into disk mode if the battery is low |
| 03:53:33 | nickv111 | argonel: It just sits there, not turning off |
| 03:53:54 | argonel | nickv111: have you an ipod power adapter? |
| 03:54:14 | nickv111 | argonel: Yeah, and I just left it plugged in while I ate |
| 03:54:30 | argonel | nickv111: into the ac instead of the computer via usb? |
| 03:54:48 | nickv111 | argonel: Into the AC |
| 03:54:59 | argonel | nickv111: ok. so does the backlight come on when you try to reset? |
| 03:55:43 | nickv111 | argonel: No |
| 03:56:02 | argonel | nickv111: when its plugged into the ac, does the apple logo blink at all? |
| 03:56:17 | argonel | its somewhere around once a minute iirc |
| 03:56:33 | nickv111 | Let me atch it |
| 03:56:47 | nickv111 | watch* |
| 03:57:17 | nickv111 | argonel: I don't think it is |
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| 03:58:08 | sid | My bootpartition.bin command is up to 2.7 gigs now |
| 03:58:26 | sid | dd if=/dev/sda2 of=bootpartition.bin |
| 03:58:31 | sid | Is this normal? |
| 03:58:36 | nickv111 | No |
| 03:58:39 | nickv111 | It should be /dev/sda1 |
| 03:58:49 | argonel | nickv111: well, it may respond to disk mode now that its on the ac.. when resetting, you see the apple logo go away and come back, as soon as its gone get the ff/rev buttons down and hold them until it goes into disk mode, or about 2 mins has gone by |
| 03:58:53 | nickv111 | The reason it's so big is because you're writing the wrong partition. |
| 03:59:36 | hcs | *reading |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:38 | nickv111 | argonel: Nope, nothing |
| 04:00:43 | nickv111 | argonel: Still on the Apple logo |
| 04:02:16 | sid | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 04:02:23 | sid | I don't see the iPod 5th generation listed |
| 04:02:31 | argonel | nickv111: whats your battery life been like lately? |
| 04:02:48 | nickv111 | argonel: I don't know, man. I just got the iPod |
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| 04:03:01 | argonel | nickv111: thought it was a 3g? |
| 04:03:17 | nickv111 | argonel: It is |
| 04:03:18 | nickv111 | argonel: It's used |
| 04:03:28 | argonel | nickv111: is it apple refurbed? |
| 04:03:28 | nickv111 | argonel: A few years old, too |
| 04:03:31 | hcs | sid: iPod video |
| 04:03:38 | argonel | oh. |
| 04:03:38 | nickv111 | argonel: No, I just got it from my mom |
| 04:03:53 | nickv111 | argonel: She got a new iPod, so she let me have her old 10GB 3g |
| 04:03:54 | argonel | nickv111: ok. it it were refurbed i'd say let the battery die and get a replacement :p |
| 04:04:21 | argonel | nickv111: normally in this situation i'd recommend to let the battery die and then charge it up again |
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| 04:04:38 | argonel | nickv111: problem with that is sometimes they won't charge back up, in which case the ipod *is* a brick |
| 04:04:45 | sid | hcs: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ondiofm/rockbox-ondiofm-20061226.zip that is the package I want fo the 30 gig 5th generation iPod? (My model number on the back is A1136) |
| 04:05:09 | hcs | no, that's for the ondio |
| 04:05:16 | nickv111 | argonel: Mmm... |
| 04:05:16 | sid | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061226.zip is that link dead for anyone else? |
| 04:05:19 | argonel | nickv111: of course, the "reset" you do is a warm boot, and letting the battery die is a cold boot |
| 04:05:19 | hcs | the links are below the image |
| 04:05:39 | argonel | nickv111: perhaps cracking it open and disconnecting the battery will cold boot it, and let you get it into disk mode |
| 04:05:52 | sid | hcs: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061226.zip that one? |
| 04:05:56 | * | nickv111 shudders |
| 04:06:05 | sid | That link is dead also. |
| 04:06:06 | nickv111 | argonel: How is a cold boot different? |
| 04:06:15 | sid | Anyone else finding dead links on the site? |
| 04:06:27 | nickv111 | sid: Yeah. Click "old" |
| 04:06:31 | hcs | sid: yes, that's the one you want, yes, it's dead |
| 04:06:42 | sid | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20061222.zip ? |
| 04:07:00 | argonel | nickv111: afaik the ipod reset isn't a exactly a hardware reset, its asking the bootloader to restart |
| 04:07:27 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip is more recent |
| 04:07:34 | argonel | nickv111: if the bootloader is the right "kind of unhappy", it doesn't restart properly |
| 04:07:44 | nickv111 | argonel: This really sucks |
| 04:07:45 | hcs | any fonts package you can get should be fine |
| 04:09:09 | argonel | nickv111: at what point did this instructions you were following fail? |
| 04:10:21 | nickv111 | argonel: I basically did dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin |
| 04:10:43 | nickv111 | argonel: Then I used the fw utility (forget what it's called) and made a new image |
| 04:10:49 | nickv111 | argonel: Which I wrote back to /dev/sda1 |
| 04:10:59 | nickv111 | argonel: Then, I unplugged it, it reset, and here I am |
| 04:11:04 | sid | ombine the bootloader and the Apple firmware into a new boot partition image: ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin Replace -g nano with the model of your ipod - type ./ipod_fw without any arguments for usage instructions. |
| 04:11:11 | sid | I'm confused by that step, what do I put? |
| 04:11:12 | argonel | nickv111: sounds like the end of step 3 |
| 04:11:29 | nickv111 | argonel: Sure |
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| 04:11:43 | nickv111 | argonel: Keep in mind that I did install Rockbox on this iPod, so I'm surprised that it hasn't just booted into Rockbox |
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| 04:12:19 | Mouser_X | argonel: Did you see where I asked for suggestions on a portable player? If yes, do you have any additional suggestions to those already given? If not, then don't worry about it. |
| 04:12:56 | argonel | nickv111: so perhaps, instead of shooting for disk mode, try holding menu just after the logo goes away after resetting (note that you probably have to let go and repress menu) |
| 04:13:46 | nickv111 | argonel: Nothing. |
| 04:13:53 | argonel | Mouser_X: no, i didn't.. i myself haven't decided which hardware to buy. was thinking about the sansa e280 |
| 04:14:15 | Mouser_X | Not enough storage for me. |
| 04:14:35 | sid | ./ipod_fw -g 5g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin ??? |
| 04:14:37 | sid | Is that right? |
| 04:14:53 | sid | Where do I put the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin firmware do I need that? |
| 04:15:20 | argonel | nickv111: i'm fairly adept at normal troubleshooting with ipods, but we're a wee bit beyond normal atm :) |
| 04:15:40 | nickv111 | argonel: I don't know what to do |
| 04:15:53 | nickv111 | I may just pop it open |
| 04:15:56 | argonel | nickv111: because we don't have the recourse of just sending it to apple to have them swap it, i don't want to give you instructions that *will* brick it |
| 04:16:09 | nickv111 | Oh, gimme! GIMME! |
| 04:16:12 | nickv111 | Sledgehammer? |
| 04:16:16 | argonel | nickv111: hehe |
| 04:16:18 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 04:16:21 | nickv111 | Would that brick it? |
| 04:16:27 | Mouser_X | That was going to be my suggestion... |
| 04:16:28 | argonel | nickv111: no, that would unbrick it |
| 04:16:37 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 04:16:49 | nickv111 | Maybe a blender would do it. . . http://youtube.com/watch?v=0RpSKWc7kF0 |
| 04:16:53 | argonel | it would be fun though |
| 04:17:01 | sid | Mouser_X: Is that command right? |
| 04:17:09 | Mouser_X | I've never used Linux. |
| 04:17:15 | Mouser_X | I would have no idea. |
| 04:17:15 | Mouser_X | Sorry. |
| 04:17:22 | argonel | Mouser_X: maybe an iaudio x5l? |
| 04:17:33 | argonel | (or cowon, whatever they're called this week) |
| 04:17:46 | sid | What is the name of the bootloader file? |
| 04:17:53 | Mouser_X | Minimum stoarage I'm looking for is in the 30GB+ range. |
| 04:18:18 | argonel | that makes the field pretty narrow, doesn't it? |
| 04:18:39 | Mouser_X | Yes, it does narrow it a bit. |
| 04:19:29 | argonel | Mouser_X: well, the x5 comes in a 30gb, with a remote :) |
| 04:19:53 | sid | Any GNU/Linux users here? |
| 04:19:57 | Mouser_X | But, the remote isn't supported in Rockbox yet... |
| 04:20:09 | nickv111 | sid: Me |
| 04:20:28 | nickv111 | sid: But I have a potentially bricked iPod on my hands, so I may not be the best person to ask |
| 04:20:30 | hcs | sid: no, you don't need to do anything with that other firmware, it is just for backup purposes |
| 04:20:34 | sid | nickv111: Is that command right? For step 3 from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux#Step_3_Install_the_bootloader |
| 04:20:43 | Mouser_X | Also the price range I'm shooting for is about $100-$150. Much higher than that, and I'm running into trouble. |
| 04:20:52 | argonel | nickv111: the reason i'm hesitant to tell you to let the battery die is because if the ipod subsequently won't take a charge, its a brick |
| 04:21:10 | sid | hcs: So the "./ipod_fw -g 5g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin" command is right? the step 3 on the link I just posted shows "/ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin" |
| 04:21:14 | nickv111 | argonel: It's a brick now. |
| 04:21:37 | argonel | nickv111: 9 times out of 10, it works just fine. but because i'm not an ipod depot tech, i don't know what happens in the 10th case. they resurrect them somehow though |
| 04:22:04 | nickv111 | argonel: Meh. I'll try it |
| 04:22:21 | argonel | nickv111: or just open it and disconnect the battery for a few seconds |
| 04:22:23 | nickv111 | argonel: If it doesn't work, well, it's not your fault. |
| 04:22:24 | hcs | sid: it looks correct to me |
| 04:22:37 | Mouser_X | argonel: Isn't there a way to replace the batteries, if need be? |
| 04:22:49 | argonel | i'm fairly certain they're easy to open without injuring it.. i think someone even put up photos with instructions |
| 04:22:50 | hcs | sid: oh, wait, yeah |
| 04:23:07 | hcs | sid: you need the rockbox firmware name on the end (bootloader-video.bin, I assume) |
| 04:23:20 | sid | hcs: http://rafb.net/p/auacwS95.html ; did that execute properly? |
| 04:23:21 | Mouser_X | argonel: I was going to say that I thought I had seen instructions somewhere... |
| 04:23:27 | sid | hcs: ok |
| 04:23:36 | argonel | Mouser_X: i'm operating under the belief that the firmware has to mediate charging |
| 04:23:41 | sid | I'll do it again hcs? with the "bootloader-video.bin" at the end? |
| 04:23:55 | sid | But delete rockboot.bin first? |
| 04:23:57 | argonel | Mouser_X: someone who's actually hacked on the ipod firmware would know whether thats true or not |
| 04:23:58 | nickv111 | I think you guys would like http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_1 |
| 04:23:58 | hcs | did you get a bootloader-video.bin file as the bootloader? |
| 04:24:11 | Mouser_X | argonel: I guess that could be the case. |
| 04:24:17 | sid | hcs: no, I don't have that file. |
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| 04:25:01 | hcs | sid: you might want to check out the other installation steps, which are more complete and up to date, as mentioned at the top of that page |
| 04:25:15 | hcs | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
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| 04:25:28 | argonel | what i do know is that most of the time when people had left their ipods on the charger when it was frozen with apple + no backlight, it didn't do anything, and would die if unplugged. then, leaving it for 24h and charging again, it would go into disk mode most of the time |
| 04:25:55 | nickv111 | argonel: Worth a try |
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| 04:26:19 | Soap | let's disspell some misunderstandings. |
| 04:26:23 | argonel | the 24h was probably to let the battery and any caps that are holding a residual charge drain |
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| 04:26:39 | Soap | Mouser_X: yes, ipod batteries are easily replacable. |
| 04:26:49 | Mouser_X | I thought so. |
| 04:26:53 | Soap | argonel: no - hardware does charging, not firmware. |
| 04:26:55 | argonel | so perhaps disconnecting the battery would simulate that. |
| 04:27:50 | argonel | Soap: ok, thats good to know :) |
| 04:28:13 | hcs | sid: it looks like the tools mentioned on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta do the dd'ing for you |
| 04:28:18 | Soap | nickv111: your ipod is not a brick now, but you don't have apple firmware on it to boot. I promise you that restoring it with iTunes on a PC will make it good as new. Stop using the word brick unless you are willing to sell me it for $50. |
| 04:28:37 | hcs | $50 is an expensive brick |
| 04:28:51 | Soap | I'll pay $50 for his "bricked" player. |
| 04:28:58 | Soap | That is a standing offer. |
| 04:28:58 | Mouser_X | Soap: How easy? Like, could I do it with only a screw driver, and in less than 10 minutes? |
| 04:29:06 | argonel | hmm |
| 04:29:17 | hcs | during a decatholon? |
| 04:29:23 | Soap | Mouser_X: you can do it with the free plastic tools most battery places give you with a battery order in 10 mins. |
| 04:29:25 | argonel | i'll be surprised if the updater will see the ipod, but i guess it might |
| 04:29:51 | nickv111 | Soap: I'll try it |
| 04:29:54 | Soap | argonel: Why would the updater not see it? |
| 04:30:06 | hcs | Soap: any recommendation for a battery place that I can reasonably expect will not sell me exploding/substandard batteries |
| 04:30:08 | argonel | Soap: updater only sees ipods that mount |
| 04:30:11 | Soap | Oh, his failure to get it into disk mode. |
| 04:30:12 | sid | hcs: "b) Unzip rockbox.zip and rockbox-fonts.zip to your iPod" the rockbox-ipodvideo-20061222.zip and rockbox-fonts-20061222.zip files are what they mean right? |
| 04:30:24 | hcs | sid: yes |
| 04:30:30 | sid | k |
| 04:30:49 | argonel | nickv111: had it been used with itunes 7? |
| 04:31:09 | Soap | His failure to get it into disk mode is odd, but there is no reason to believe it is unfixable. Disk mode is in the flash, he didn't write to the flash. Without being mean, I MUST believe operator error. |
| 04:31:21 | Soap | Or else he has a broken FF or REV button. |
| 04:31:44 | Mouser_X | (Heh, I've had one of those on an older player of mine.) |
| 04:31:47 | argonel | could be, i didn't recommend any of the reset tricks for mini/nano because its a 3g |
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| 04:33:03 | nickv111 | Soap: I tried with iTunes |
| 04:33:10 | nickv111 | Soap: It didn't even recognize the iPod |
| 04:33:16 | sid | By default with the 5g video ipod, can I access it as a disk? |
| 04:33:17 | argonel | nickv111: what version of itunes? |
| 04:33:23 | hcs | sid: yes |
| 04:33:24 | nickv111 | Whatever the latest version is |
| 04:33:29 | sid | "ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip both rockbox.zip and rockbox-fonts.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod." |
| 04:33:39 | nickv111 | Anyway, maybe the FF or RW button is broken |
| 04:33:41 | Soap | sid, yes |
| 04:33:42 | nickv111 | I've tried many times to get into disk mode |
| 04:33:43 | sid | k |
| 04:34:03 | argonel | sid: an ipod that set up to automatically sync will get ejected by itunes if there's no updates to make |
| 04:34:06 | nickv111 | Soap: Would letting the battery run out and then starting it up again possibly do the trick |
| 04:34:17 | Soap | I'm afraid not. |
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| 04:34:50 | nickv111 | Soap: Then what should I do? I've tried to get into disk mode dozens of times |
| 04:35:16 | Soap | do you know the FF and REV buttons were working earlier? |
| 04:35:28 | nickv111 | Soap: I'm not sure |
| 04:35:47 | nickv111 | Soap: Honestly, I got it, and immediately tried to put Rockbox on it |
| 04:35:50 | sid | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod that is for the 5g ipod right? |
| 04:35:59 | nickv111 | sid: Yes. |
| 04:36:17 | Soap | sid, that is the right name - I assume you are posting the link from the IpodInstallBetaBlah wiki page? |
| 04:36:34 | Soap | (or whatever the full name is, can't think off the top of my head right this second) |
| 04:36:34 | argonel | nickv111: one thing i noticed with a lot of people resetting minis, and to a lesser extent nanos, is that they were holding them in their hands to reset, and not getting the buttons down correctly. having them set it down and use the tips of their fingers often helped |
| 04:36:48 | nickv111 | argonel: I'll try it |
| 04:36:54 | sid | Soap: yes, from beta guide page |
| 04:37:18 | sid | damn, I'm nervous..my girlfriend will whip me if I fuck this up. heh |
| 04:37:24 | sid | I'll be in the dog house for a year. |
| 04:37:29 | sid | But it's worth it for freedom! |
| 04:37:45 | Soap | good point argonel, and last thing, reset works, as soon as that apple icon REappears, press and hold FF/REV until the cows come home. |
| 04:38:31 | argonel | Soap: yeah, i don't know what it does when resetting, i've seen it take a while to get into disk mode... but, not often more than 2 mins with a working HD |
| 04:38:41 | nickv111 | Soap: Wait, you're supposed to hold them as soon as the screen goes white or as soon as the Apple appears? |
| 04:38:59 | argonel | apple |
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| 04:39:01 | goffa | anyone know what error -2 means? |
| 04:39:10 | argonel | nickv111: how long is it going away for? |
| 04:39:14 | goffa | i've got a gigabeat if its player specific |
| 04:39:40 | nickv111 | argonel: A second? |
| 04:39:54 | argonel | iirc it should go blank, black, apple logo, lit apple logo "ok to disconnect" |
| 04:40:40 | argonel | so as soon as you see the apple logo reappear, go for disk mode |
| 04:41:24 | argonel | if you're just getting apple logo -> very short gray screen -> apple logo, its not resetting |
| 04:41:42 | nickv111 | That's what I'm getting |
| 04:42:15 | sid | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 04:42:15 | argonel | how long is the grey screen? like a blink, or is it gone for a while? |
| 04:42:18 | nickv111 | I hold down the buttons, the screen goes white for less than a second, and then I get the apple again |
| 04:42:18 | sid | I did that command, am I done? |
| 04:42:28 | sid | How do I know if I was sucessful? is that the last step? |
| 04:43:19 | nickv111 | sid: I guess so. Disconnect your iPod and see |
| 04:44:05 | Soap | nickv111: as soon as the apple appears according to the last site I read. |
| 04:44:16 | argonel | nickv111: i'm sorry to say its been about a year and a half since i saw a 3g reset with my own eyes |
| 04:44:31 | sid | yea, I guess it's rockbox |
| 04:44:55 | Soap | don't sound so enthused. |
| 04:45:03 | argonel | here's the kbase for it - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 |
| 04:45:04 | Soap | rockbox boots to the file tree browser. |
| 04:45:05 | nickv111 | sid: You're lucky. Mine is dying. Dying before my eyes! |
| 04:45:06 | * | nickv111 cries |
| 04:45:27 | sid | I went to browse themes, and it brings me back to the main menu. |
| 04:45:39 | sid | How can I increase the font size for the menus? |
| 04:45:49 | argonel | nickv111: in my experience the ipod doesn't like to go into disk mode with a low battery |
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| 04:46:19 | argonel | nickv111: if i were you i'd get a hold of your mom and find out if the << >> buttons both worked and when it was last charged, and what its battery life was like |
| 04:46:41 | sid | When I try to go into any directories...it just brings me to the main menu again. |
| 04:47:04 | hcs | are you pressing the select (center) button to confirm? |
| 04:47:10 | sid | no |
| 04:47:42 | Soap | read the manual sid\ |
| 04:47:44 | sid | I've never used the iPod before, I didn't even look at the proprietary software, I just opened it from the box a couple hours ago. |
| 04:47:53 | sid | (it took me that long to put rockbox on it) heh |
| 04:48:05 | hcs | rockbox uses menu to go to the main menu, select to activate things, and the left button to go back in menus or the filesystem browser |
| 04:48:21 | hcs | long press of select to bring up a context menu (like a right click in windows) |
| 04:48:22 | argonel | nickv111: i'll have access to a 3g tomorrow, so i can reverify how it behaves going into disk mode |
| 04:48:37 | nickv111 | argonel: I think I'm going to charge it overnight |
| 04:48:54 | argonel | nickv111: ok.. we'll see what its doing then |
| 04:49:37 | nickv111 | Um |
| 04:49:43 | nickv111 | Uh oh. That's an important piece of information |
| 04:49:45 | nickv111 | I just talked to my mom |
| 04:49:51 | nickv111 | She says the << button doesn't work |
| 04:49:58 | argonel | lol |
| 04:50:12 | nickv111 | Umm. . . Hmm |
| 04:50:13 | argonel | time to crack it open :) |
| 04:50:41 | sid | How do I put music on my iPod with Rhythmbox, heh. I'm such a noob. I can compile my own kernels, or setup a web server with a message board and shopping cart or whatever, but I can't figure out these silly handheld media devices. |
| 04:50:45 | nickv111 | Once I'm in, how do I activate a button? |
| 04:51:08 | sid | I selected an album(Pink Floyd) I have all the songs highlighted, and I drag them over to iPod on the rhythmbox menu and they don't seem to transfer. |
| 04:51:26 | hcs | I have no idea how rhythmbox works, just copy it over to the filesystem |
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| 04:51:32 | argonel | nickv111: depends on why the button doesn't work |
| 04:51:50 | argonel | nickv111: and on what kind of button it is.. i'm looking for a photo now |
| 04:53:15 | argonel | i'm betting they're just membrane switches |
| 04:53:28 | argonel | microswitches are expensive |
| 04:54:45 | argonel | Soap: are there pcb scans on the wiki somewhere? |
| 04:56:00 | nickv111 | Okay, the iPod is open |
| 04:56:07 | argonel | oh, found them on ipodlinux |
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| 04:56:24 | nickv111 | Is there a shock risk on an iPod? |
| 04:56:49 | argonel | not to you |
| 04:56:56 | nickv111 | But to the iPod. . . |
| 04:57:04 | nickv111 | So, I should do this in the basement |
| 04:57:12 | nickv111 | But what is to be done? |
| 04:57:12 | argonel | most things are static sensitive, yes |
| 04:57:37 | argonel | nickv111: are the buttons little membranes with black dots on the bottom? |
| 04:57:52 | nickv111 | I'll have to remove the board from the iPod |
| 04:59:49 | sid | What do you GNU/Linux users use to transfer music from your hdd on your desktop to the iPod when it's running rockbox? |
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| 05:00:37 | hcs | sid: cp -r |
| 05:01:38 | argonel | ooh, high tech :p |
| 05:01:40 | nickv111 | Hehe |
| 05:01:51 | nickv111 | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat. . . |
| 05:02:15 | hcs | ceci n'est pas une | |
| 05:03:15 | nickv111 | I have a feeling I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 05:03:25 | nickv111 | The disk drive just, well, fell out of my iPod |
| 05:03:32 | nickv111 | And I don't even think it was connected to anything in the first place. |
| 05:03:56 | argonel | uh |
| 05:04:01 | argonel | afaik it is socketed |
| 05:04:17 | nickv111 | It's inside this rubber sleeve |
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| 05:04:22 | hesperaux | hello everyone ^_^ |
| 05:04:48 | hesperaux | i've been looking over the rockbox site while deciding which PMP to buy |
| 05:05:00 | sid | hcs: What do I just mkdir /media/ipod/music ? |
| 05:05:07 | hesperaux | i want to get the Cowon A2, but I don't believe it has support in Rockbox. |
| 05:05:15 | hcs | sid: sure, if that's where you want to put the files |
| 05:05:17 | hesperaux | I was just wondering if there is any buzz about there ever beeing support for the A2? |
| 05:05:24 | argonel | ok, i think i finally found the guide |
| 05:05:32 | hcs | sid: needs to be mounted first, of course |
| 05:05:52 | argonel | nickv111: http://www.powerbookmedic.com/free-ipod-manual/ipod-3rd-generation.pdf |
| 05:05:52 | sid | hcs: What directory are the usually put by default? |
| 05:05:59 | sid | hcs: It is mounted. |
| 05:06:03 | hcs | there is no default |
| 05:06:03 | nickv111 | argonel: Thanks |
| 05:06:14 | sid | rhythmbox is looking at the proprietary default place, and I think it's messing up. |
| 05:06:42 | hcs | sid: yeah, probably, it'll be looking for a database which probably isn't there, iTunes generates it |
| 05:07:18 | hcs | but rhythmbox should be able to generate the file structure afresh, if it uses libgpod |
| 05:07:52 | nickv111 | I don't know, guys |
| 05:07:57 | argonel | hesperaux: i haven't seen much.. there is brief mention on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos#Cowon_A2 |
| 05:08:03 | nickv111 | IIRC, when I opened it up, the hard drive wasn't connected to anything |
| 05:08:39 | hesperaux | argonel, well, since it's part of the iAudio platform (sort of), would it be similar to developing for the X5? |
| 05:08:39 | argonel | nickv111: well, if it wasn't plugged in, it wouldn't have booted. was it working before you started this? |
| 05:08:41 | hesperaux | or am i totally wrong ^_^ |
| 05:09:27 | argonel | hesperaux: i read that there was a gpl firmware on it (unbuildable), but i wasn't able to find a copy of it anywhere, the link is dead |
| 05:09:36 | nickv111 | argonel: Yeah |
| 05:09:46 | hesperaux | yeah, just noticed that hehe |
| 05:10:18 | argonel | nickv111: i suppose it could have come loose, but could have just been that it wasn't a very firm connection. never had one of those apart |
| 05:10:33 | nickv111 | argonel: Come to think of it, when I shook the iPod, I heard rattling inside |
| 05:10:43 | argonel | you... shook the ipod? |
| 05:10:55 | nickv111 | argonel: Very, very lightly |
| 05:11:18 | argonel | i tend to avoid shaking things that have spinning parts |
| 05:11:45 | nickv111 | argonel: The thing is meant to be run with, and beaten up |
| 05:11:54 | argonel | i know that modern mini drives are tough, but you can still crash a head or tear the spindle bearings out of it |
| 05:12:15 | argonel | nickv111: meant? where did you gather that it was meant to be beaten up? |
| 05:12:23 | nickv111 | argonel: I lightly shook it. |
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| 05:12:51 | hesperaux | lol |
| 05:12:52 | argonel | nickv111: anyway, i doubt you might have hurt it in such a brief episode :) |
| 05:12:55 | nickv111 | argonel: People take them for jogs |
| 05:13:07 | nickv111 | argonel: I just tried to see if anything was loose |
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| 05:13:15 | argonel | nickv111: yes, and people kill them by doing that :) |
| 05:13:30 | nickv111 | Huh |
| 05:13:38 | nickv111 | Well, the thing's probably not going to work anymore |
| 05:13:58 | argonel | the old ones were tougher, but i wouldn't recommend jogging with your 80gb unless you can make sure it doesn't move much |
| 05:14:52 | argonel | nickv111: its worth trying to fix it.. "reseating" the harddrive is a time-honoured quick fix |
| 05:15:06 | nickv111 | I don't know how to place the hard drive |
| 05:15:14 | sid | How can I generate the itunes db so when this rockbox plugs into a windows machine with itunes it will work and all? |
| 05:15:18 | argonel | nickv111: doesn't that guide show it? |
| 05:16:00 | argonel | yeah, page 8 |
| 05:16:41 | argonel | sid: maybe sync with amarok or something? |
| 05:16:56 | nickv111 | argonel: The thing doesn't show up on any computers |
| 05:17:01 | nickv111 | argonel: Oh, thought you were talking to me |
| 05:17:18 | nickv111 | argonel: Anyway, the hard drive isn't connected to anything |
| 05:17:22 | nickv111 | argonel: So I don't know what to do |
| 05:17:36 | argonel | nickv111: does it have the cable attached? |
| 05:17:51 | nickv111 | argonel: No. I don't even know what that cable is |
| 05:18:29 | argonel | well, the photo on page 9 looks like it shows it |
| 05:18:43 | argonel | i dunno what the blue thing is |
| 05:18:52 | nickv111 | It's what the hard disk is inside |
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| 05:19:02 | nickv111 | If the copper thing is the cable, well, I do have it attached |
| 05:19:34 | argonel | oh, i guess the blue thing is the "shock protector" |
| 05:19:59 | argonel | so it looks like there is a socket on the pcb that should mate with the plug on the copper foil |
| 05:20:12 | nickv111 | I think so |
| 05:20:20 | nickv111 | But they have to touch just right |
| 05:20:23 | argonel | but, its probably first easier to check out the buttons |
| 05:20:34 | nickv111 | To check the buttons, I have to unscrew the logic board |
| 05:20:45 | argonel | looks like it, yup |
| 05:21:06 | nickv111 | And my Torx wrench isn't here |
| 05:21:17 | nickv111 | Erm, screwdriver |
| 05:21:19 | argonel | oh, t6. nice. |
| 05:21:24 | nickv111 | Even if I did, I don't think that it would be small enough to fit |
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| 05:21:42 | nickv111 | I have one so I could take apart an Xbox :-\ |
| 05:21:43 | argonel | perhaps a small slot across 2 points will drive it? |
| 05:21:44 | Alexinc | video with sound on the gigabeat? |
| 05:22:44 | argonel | man, t6 is tiny |
| 05:23:02 | argonel | smallest i have is a t8 |
| 05:23:29 | Alexinc | i have 6 xboxs |
| 05:23:33 | argonel | nickv111: maybe it doesn't work because the hd was loose.. you could try reassembling and see if it starts working |
| 05:23:34 | Alexinc | and i mod xboxs for cash |
| 05:24:00 | nickv111 | Alexinc: Cool. |
| 05:24:12 | nickv111 | Alexinc: I have two. One for Linux, one for XBMC/Games |
| 05:24:17 | Alexinc | shweet |
| 05:24:21 | Alexinc | with xbmc360? |
| 05:24:25 | nickv111 | argonel: I don't know. It worked until I put Rockbox on it |
| 05:24:28 | nickv111 | Alexinc: I don't know. |
| 05:24:31 | Alexinc | i have 3 with xbmc360 |
| 05:24:38 | Alexinc | 2 with for selling |
| 05:24:40 | Alexinc | and one for xboxlinux |
| 05:27:09 | argonel | nickv111: so if you don't have a t6, you might be able to grind down a slot screwdriver (or maybe even buy one small enough) |
| 05:28:04 | nickv111 | Meh |
| 05:28:09 | nickv111 | Too much hassle |
| 05:28:28 | argonel | ok |
| 05:28:58 | argonel | lemme know if you want to be rid of it :) |
| 05:29:19 | nickv111 | I'll probably just throw it away |
| 05:29:21 | nickv111 | Want it? |
| 05:29:25 | argonel | yup |
| 05:29:35 | nickv111 | Well, not now |
| 05:29:36 | nickv111 | Chess game |
| 05:32:44 | sid | How do I exit chess? |
| 05:33:59 | nickv111 | Huh? |
| 05:34:15 | sid | I'm playing chess, but how do I quit and get to music? |
| 05:35:10 | hcs | hold select and menu |
| 05:35:20 | hcs | briefly |
| 05:36:05 | hcs | you'll find that quite a few of the plugins are exited in that way |
| 05:36:22 | hcs | in some others flipping the hold switch or holding down select brings up a menu |
| 05:37:08 | hcs | good night |
| 05:37:13 | sid | peace hcs |
| 05:37:14 | sid | thanks for the help |
| 05:37:19 | sid | How do I play music? heh |
| 05:37:35 | hcs | just select the files in the directory browser |
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| 05:40:17 | sid | thanks |
| 05:40:29 | sid | How can I go to plugins(soduko) while listening to music |
| 05:40:56 | hcs | just press menu and browse plugins |
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| 05:47:48 | Mouser_X | And I thought he was in bed... |
| 05:47:52 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 05:48:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:48:56 | Mouser_X | So, I have a 4GB DVD image. Does anyone care to guess how big the header of that file might be? |
| 05:49:07 | Mouser_X | I have no idea, which is why I ask. |
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| 05:51:25 | sid | How do I turn it off? heh |
| 05:51:42 | Mouser_X | How do you turn off Rockbox, or stop the music? |
| 05:51:42 | hcs | hold play |
| 05:52:00 | hcs | a short hold is "stop", a somewhat longer hold is "shut down" |
| 05:52:01 | Mouser_X | HA! |
| 05:52:12 | Mouser_X | I was right, he wasn't in bed... |
| 05:52:24 | hcs | yep, but I mean to be shortly |
| 05:52:35 | Mouser_X | I figured as much. |
| 05:53:04 | Mouser_X | HCS: Roughly how much should I upload? |
| 05:53:45 | hcs | I really have no idea, 10 MB? |
| 05:53:59 | hcs | getting a few files in the beginning is important, too (and this is offtopic for #rockbox) |
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| 06:00:22 | sid | What is speech support? |
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| 06:01:27 | hesperaux | sid, i think it's voice recognitionness |
| 06:01:36 | hesperaux | either that or the machine reads text |
| 06:01:41 | sid | voice recognition? I don't have a mic though |
| 06:01:44 | sid | ahh, tts |
| 06:01:51 | hesperaux | prolly that then yep |
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| 06:18:35 | EspeonEefi | I'm trying to do a bit of digging with the 80 GB 5.5 gen iPod, but I can't access the original 5.5 gen development thread on the forum. |
| 06:18:40 | sid | How do I exit the text editor? |
| 06:19:01 | EspeonEefi | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 is linked to from the new 80 GB-specific thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.0 |
| 06:19:37 | EspeonEefi | However, the forum gives me the message "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you." |
| 06:19:42 | sid | it seems to have frozen, and I can't exit the text editor |
| 06:21:50 | sid | It's frozen on the "cut" menu line, and I can't get it off. |
| 06:25:23 | sid | hmm, I think I broke the Power Up! portable audio system already |
| 06:25:34 | sid | and my iPod won't get out of text editor mode |
| 06:25:34 | sid | heh |
| 06:26:00 | Mouser_X | sid: On the positive side, I'll be in the same boat as you are, once I get an iPod. |
| 06:26:10 | Mouser_X | Positive, in that you won't be alone. |
| 06:26:17 | sid | For the speakers or the iPod? |
| 06:26:27 | Mouser_X | iPod running Rockbox. |
| 06:26:37 | Mouser_X | You said you couldn't exit the text editor. |
| 06:26:46 | sid | That usb thing that sticks into the ipod seems to have broken on the speaker system |
| 06:26:52 | Mouser_X | There's a good chance I'll get myself stuck somewhere as well... |
| 06:26:53 | sid | it just pushes down into the speakers when I push on it. |
| 06:27:04 | Mouser_X | Oh, that stinks. |
| 06:27:06 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 06:27:07 | sid | yes |
| 06:27:17 | sid | I'll have to crack it open and guerilla glue it |
| 06:27:33 | Mouser_X | Wouldn't be first for around here... |
| 06:27:45 | Mouser_X | Couches, computers, whatever. |
| 06:28:03 | Mouser_X | It's all fixable with Duct tape, glue, patience, or any combination of the above. |
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| 06:28:26 | Mouser_X | Sometimes you get really creative, and use a bent up wire hanger... |
| 06:32:35 | sid | hmm, how do I shut this thing off heh |
| 06:32:39 | sid | it doesn't seem to respond |
| 06:34:10 | Mouser_X | <sid> How do I turn it off? heh |
| 06:34:15 | Mouser_X | <hcs> hold play |
| 06:34:15 | Mouser_X | <hcs> a short hold is "stop", a somewhat longer hold is "shut down" |
| 06:34:30 | Mouser_X | Does that help? |
| 06:34:32 | JdGordon | sid menu+select doesnt exit the text editor? |
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| 06:34:36 | Mouser_X | Or, is it still not working? |
| 06:35:16 | sid | JdGordon: no |
| 06:35:32 | JdGordon | sid: what about left? |
| 06:35:39 | sid | JdGordon: nope |
| 06:35:55 | JdGordon | hmm.... umm |
| 06:36:11 | JdGordon | ipod? |
| 06:36:20 | sid | It's a 5g video ipod |
| 06:36:43 | JdGordon | hmm.... it shhuold exit with left... |
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| 06:36:55 | JdGordon | well if you hold menu+select for about 6s it wll force a reboot |
| 06:37:05 | perldiver | is there a way to change the text editor font size? |
| 06:37:26 | sid | awesome, thanks JdGordon |
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| 06:42:31 | sid | The only way to charge the batteries on this thing is via the usb from the bottom of it? |
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| 06:46:53 | JdGordon | yeah, rockbox hasnt got telepathic charging working... |
| 06:47:03 | DanManners | Hey guys, I'm BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK |
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| 06:52:55 | scorche | no |
| 06:53:15 | scorche | not at the moment at leadt |
| 06:53:19 | scorche | least |
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| 07:05:25 | tehsmo | hmm, has anyone replaced the HD in an ipod with a CF card before? |
| 07:05:37 | tehsmo | theoretically it should be possible, CF is basically IDE |
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| 07:08:13 | tehsmo | I know people have done it with the microdrive nanos, but that's trivial |
| 07:08:58 | lostlogic | why is the main thread on the core0 remaining runnable constantly? |
| 07:09:43 | tehsmo | s/nano/mini |
| 07:15:22 | lostlogic | never mind, of course it's running when the update is updated. |
| 07:16:10 | lostlogic | tehsmo: I don't know of anyone doing it −− sounds like a waste −− big case, little card |
| 07:16:19 | tehsmo | hmm, perhaps |
| 07:16:41 | tehsmo | it's not that big though |
| 07:20:05 | lostlogic | I guess whopping battery life would be nice. |
| 07:21:52 | tehsmo | yeah |
| 07:22:03 | tehsmo | the only issue is, how do you get an adapter that'll work |
| 07:22:40 | tehsmo | they make cf-to-ide adapters, but only for the regular IDE connector |
| 07:22:48 | tehsmo | not whatever's used in teh pod |
| 07:23:13 | tehsmo | although ..hmm |
| 07:23:28 | tehsmo | now I have another idea, you could replace the HD in an old laptop with CF |
| 07:23:43 | tehsmo | that'd be an easier task to manage |
| 07:26:12 | Mouser_X | I know people that have done that. |
| 07:26:37 | tehsmo | it would work rather well, if you used linux and did some trickery to avoid writing to it too often |
| 07:26:41 | Mouser_X | Saves on battery life, and adds stability (you don't need to worry about the HDD getting knocked around, and beat up). |
| 07:27:05 | Mouser_X | I don't know what OS they used though... |
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| 07:37:12 | sarixe | hello, how do i take a screenshot of rockbox's WPS? i have a theme i would like to submit. |
| 07:38:10 | sarixe | anyone here? |
| 07:38:12 | sarixe | !help |
| 07:38:15 | sarixe | ... |
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| 07:41:39 | scorche | it says how in the manual |
| 07:41:43 | sarixe | ah, thanks |
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| 07:50:18 | sid | How do I get to a playlist? for playing music |
| 07:50:51 | JdGordon | hold select or menu.. one of them will get you t a menu with playlist options in it |
| 07:54:50 | sid | JdGordon: How do you view by album/artists etc? |
| 07:55:00 | JdGordon | in he playlist viewer? you cant |
| 07:55:58 | BiptoN | does anyone know if if using gcc optimazations -O1 -O2 -O3 would be beneficial to an ipod build or be too bloated |
| 07:56:13 | sid | JdGordon: If not in the playlist viewer, where can I view by album/artists etc? |
| 07:56:32 | JdGordon | in the database view you can |
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| 08:06:27 | sid | JdGordon: How do I get to that? |
| 08:06:53 | JdGordon | hold menu, then when the wuickscreen comes up press play untill it shows id3 browser |
| 08:06:57 | JdGordon | all this is in the manual..... |
| 08:07:25 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon |
| 08:07:29 | JdGordon | hey |
| 08:09:18 | daurnimator | sup |
| 08:09:26 | JdGordon | not much |
| 08:09:46 | JdGordon | workiong through some of the easier bug reports, coz im boooored and its too cold to go out :p |
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| 08:11:39 | daurnimator | heh |
| 08:11:40 | sid | JdGordon: yea, I read the manual. I still can't figure out how to get to viewing artists/albums |
| 08:11:56 | daurnimator | i was gonna see that terrible looking ben stiller movie tonight :S |
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| 08:12:12 | JdGordon | that movie looks great :D |
| 08:12:21 | sid | I hold menu for a second and a half or so, and I see left(shuffle off), right(repeat all), and bottom show files ID3 files |
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| 08:12:52 | ChRiIiS | hey all i have a problem playin videos on my iriver with rock box installed |
| 08:13:17 | ChRiIiS | i tried to play msg preview video provided by the site and get this error |
| 08:13:46 | ChRiIiS | cant open viewr ect mpgplayer |
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| 08:18:10 | ChRiIiS | ?? |
| 08:19:02 | sid | I can't view by album/artists, heh. :( |
| 08:19:25 | sid | When I click on album or artists, it tells me database not ready. |
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| 08:23:15 | * | JdGordon hopes he doesnt break any builds... 6 commits without a single waring is too good to hope for :p |
| 08:26:07 | JdGordon | anyone know a bug which they rekon is easy to fix? /me is on a roll ::p |
| 08:27:50 | daurnimator | wavpack hybrid! |
| 08:28:08 | JdGordon | na, that takes understanding and learning and stuff |
| 08:28:38 | daurnimator | lack of player in daurnimator's possesion |
| 08:31:23 | JdGordon | woot.. 8 commits without breaking anything! |
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| 09:23:11 | scorche | you can put anything you want on a nano |
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| 09:25:29 | scorche | just put it on like you would anything else |
| 09:28:21 | scorche | do you have rockbox on your device? |
| 09:28:48 | scorche | then why are you here? |
| 09:29:23 | scorche | but that question is not about rockbox |
| 09:34:53 | daurnimator | neither are most things i asak |
| 09:35:11 | scorche | then you shouldnt ask them |
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| 10:32:38 | * | JdGordon finally finished fixing 21gb of audio tags! |
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| 10:34:16 | r1d5g7 | hi |
| 10:36:33 | r1d5g7 | dos roxbox work with the sansa c250 |
| 10:36:50 | JdGordon | no |
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| 10:38:49 | JdGordon | are there any rsync gurus here? |
| 10:39:47 | scorche | does this make me one? http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/rsync.1.html |
| 10:40:04 | JdGordon | grr.... |
| 10:40:09 | JdGordon | meany :p |
| 10:40:16 | JdGordon | na, i need more help han just man |
| 10:40:29 | scorche | well, we are all men here |
| 10:41:10 | JdGordon | i want to sync every folder under /blaa except certain ones.. and i want to script it... |
| 10:42:04 | scorche | im sure that option is somewhere in that page... |
| 10:42:35 | JdGordon | there is an option to exclude certain files.. but i want to be able to tell it to not sync entire folder trees |
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| 10:54:04 | webguest68 | is moving those trees out of the hierarchy you're rsync-ing cheating ? :) |
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| 10:58:22 | GodEater_Web | the man page seems to indicate the exclude option can be a pattern, not just a filename - so you should be able to supply something like dir-to-exclude/* |
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| 10:59:11 | GodEater_Web | or just end the pattern with the "/" - and it should exclude the whole directory and it's content |
| 10:59:54 | JdGordon | but i dont actually know all the folders i want to skip now... |
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| 11:00:14 | JdGordon | the problem is I have 21gb of music and only 20gb of room on the DAP... |
| 11:00:25 | JdGordon | so when i do a sync i dont want certain flders copied |
| 11:00:54 | GodEater_Web | so how are you going to work out which folders to skip ? |
| 11:02:22 | JdGordon | either make a list, or put a .keep file in the root of any folders i don want copied |
| 11:02:27 | JdGordon | unless there is a better way? |
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| 11:05:20 | GodEater_Web | well it depends on your criteria, I was wondering if you were going to try doing it based on last time accessed / updated, or size of the tree of something even more fancy |
| 11:08:13 | JdGordon | maybe my perl doesnt suck as much as i thought :p |
| 11:10:20 | GodEater_Web | heh - I only ever find something to do with perl every 6 months or so - so it generally sucks a lot until I've applied a liberal amount of mental WD-40 - and then it all seizes up again until next time |
| 11:10:32 | JdGordon | haha |
| 11:11:25 | GodEater_Web | which is a crumby thing to have happen when you go for a job interview and they spring a surprise perl question on you - which you look at, and realise you have NO clue what's going on |
| 11:13:22 | GodEater_Web | though in hindsight, I'm glad I didn't get that job - those guys were insane. Their servers didn't know what they were until they'd powered up, and rsync'd their disks with a master server somewhere which handed out images of different roles (database server, webserver, app server) based on some weird rule set. Then the freshly booted server would rebuild it's filesystem, and fire up in whatever mode it had |
| 11:13:50 | GodEater_Web | very fancy - but hardly robust. |
| 11:14:28 | JdGordon | yikes! |
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| 11:15:49 | * | GodEater_Web wouldn't want to be there the day that system goes tits up |
| 11:15:59 | Slasheri | GodEater_Web: that is very common when there are something like one hundred severs to maintain or more. Installation is fully automated over network, only initially the need to turn on the system and press a key to initialize a network install (after install scripts and images are configured of course) |
| 11:16:45 | GodEater_Web | Slasheri - where I work now we have *thousands* of servers - as we don't do that or anything like it |
| 11:16:52 | GodEater_Web | s/as/and |
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| 11:17:07 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 11:17:29 | Slasheri | there is only about 100 servers in the machine room |
| 11:17:53 | Slasheri | *here |
| 11:18:22 | GodEater_Web | heh - we have about 500 in the machine room in this building, and about another 1500 over the road from me |
| 11:18:28 | Slasheri | nice :D |
| 11:18:31 | GodEater_Web | plus another 2000 or so down in docklands |
| 11:18:53 | JdGordon | GodEater_Web: your a melbournite? |
| 11:19:09 | GodEater_Web | London |
| 11:20:06 | JdGordon | docklands is a more common name for the area thsan I thought then :p |
| 11:20:27 | GodEater_Web | well I'm guessing it's used wherever there used to be docks ? :) |
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| 11:20:46 | JdGordon | will this replace all spaces with \<space> ? s/ /\\ /g ? |
| 11:21:17 | jeffb | what does \<space> mean |
| 11:21:22 | jeffb | is that a string |
| 11:21:22 | jeffb | ? |
| 11:21:25 | hcs | you might need to escape the space, what're you feeding this to? |
| 11:21:33 | JdGordon | a \ followed by a space |
| 11:21:41 | GodEater_Web | do you mean literally the characters "<space>" or do you mean the space character ? |
| 11:21:45 | jeffb | s/\s/\\ /g |
| 11:21:47 | GodEater_Web | right |
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| 11:22:02 | jeffb | perl ownz |
| 11:22:04 | GodEater_Web | jeffb: that looks good to me :) |
| 11:22:11 | * | JdGordon realises he can just enclose the whole thing in "" and not worry about it :p |
| 11:22:31 | jeffb | GodEater_Web, cool :) My regexp knowledge is a bit rusty with all this C code I'm doing. |
| 11:22:31 | hcs | jeffb: doesn't that convert characters other than just the space? |
| 11:22:42 | jeffb | yes |
| 11:23:15 | jeffb | but I assume you meant tabs as space too |
| 11:23:33 | bun-bun | hi, i had something weird happen earlier today on my iriver h340 |
| 11:24:03 | bun-bun | i navigated to a directory and played a song, but the player started playing another song from another directory |
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| 11:24:22 | bun-bun | i double checked to make sure i was in the right place and i was... has this happened to anyone else? |
| 11:24:25 | jeffb | \s is equal to [:space:] in unix regular expressions AFAIK. |
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| 11:25:05 | GodEater_Web | jeffb: how's the ARM reverse engineering going on the ipod ? |
| 11:25:19 | GodEater_Web | you gone bald from pulling your hair out yet? :) |
| 11:25:20 | jeffb | GodEater_Web, very slow |
| 11:25:25 | jeffb | heh not yet |
| 11:25:35 | GodEater_Web | that's a plus then :) |
| 11:25:39 | jeffb | I got the 80gb to boot a full linux kernel using a romfs image at the end of the payload |
| 11:25:49 | GodEater_Web | that's handy |
| 11:25:51 | jeffb | had to patch the hell out of the kernel just to do that |
| 11:25:54 | GodEater_Web | still no disk access though ? |
| 11:25:57 | jeffb | nope |
| 11:26:00 | jeffb | I need the flash image |
| 11:26:08 | jeffb | until I get that, I'm in the dark |
| 11:26:30 | GodEater_Web | and I'm assuming you're not keen to dump it to the ipod's screen? |
| 11:26:41 | jeffb | I can dump it to the screen |
| 11:26:49 | jeffb | but it's too much data entry |
| 11:26:55 | GodEater_Web | digital camera ? |
| 11:27:17 | jeffb | hrm |
| 11:27:23 | jeffb | I spose I could do that |
| 11:27:27 | jeffb | and run OCR software on it? |
| 11:27:30 | jeffb | oh |
| 11:27:35 | GodEater_Web | worth a try |
| 11:27:35 | jeffb | I could write a graphics parser |
| 11:27:50 | jeffb | that would require each snapshot to be the same heh |
| 11:27:51 | hcs | throw in some ecc and you're good to go... |
| 11:28:13 | jeffb | well I can get a full kernel booted now so I'm gonna try out the serial port |
| 11:28:22 | GodEater_Web | even better |
| 11:28:26 | jeffb | linux says it found a 8250 serial controller |
| 11:28:55 | jeffb | I'm gonna order a serial cable in a few mins |
| 11:29:24 | GodEater_Web | could you send over the kernel and bootloader you're using to me ? |
| 11:29:30 | GodEater_Web | I'd be keen to try this too :) |
| 11:29:35 | jeffb | sure |
| 11:30:03 | jeffb | send me your email |
| 11:30:05 | jeffb | :) |
| 11:30:08 | GodEater_Web | just did in a PM |
| 11:30:15 | jeffb | didn't get it |
| 11:30:24 | GodEater_Web | er - weird |
| 11:30:27 | jeffb | think you gotta be registered |
| 11:30:30 | jeffb | identified |
| 11:30:32 | GodEater_Web | and you're not ? |
| 11:30:46 | jeffb | nope I'm registered |
| 11:30:47 | GodEater_Web | me too - so you should have got it |
| 11:30:53 | GodEater_Web | oh hang on |
| 11:31:03 | GodEater_Web | I'm using the wrong nick today *blush* |
| 11:31:05 | jeffb | heh |
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| 11:31:34 | GodEater | how about that time ? |
| 11:32:02 | jeffb | :) |
| 11:32:13 | jeffb | brb girlfriend is buggin |
| 11:32:33 | JdGordon | doesnt chomp remove the \n from a string? |
| 11:33:06 | JdGordon | hmm.. was doing it wrong... dw |
| 11:33:22 | jeffb | yup |
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| 11:33:39 | jeffb | I love the map { } keyword |
| 11:33:41 | jeffb | in perl |
| 11:34:56 | jeffb | I guess I'm being dragged to get coffee by the g/f... be back in a few |
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| 11:43:00 | JdGordon | w00t! my amazing sync script is finished... |
| 11:43:13 | JdGordon | now to test it |
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| 12:06:11 | GodEater | so - did everyone have a nice xmas? :-) |
| 12:06:36 | JdGordon | no, it was bloody freezing... its supposed t b summer here! |
| 12:07:02 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 12:07:11 | GodEater | I expect it was freezing here - but I've no idea - I never went outside :) |
| 12:08:44 | jba | gigabeat guys got sound, so yeah we had a god christmas |
| 12:11:37 | JdGordon | I should be able to transfer alot faster than 1MB/s to my h300 yeah? |
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| 12:52:20 | webguest81 | Hi, is anyone in here familiar with the development of porting Rockbox to the Sandisk Sansa e200 series? |
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| 12:53:36 | GodEater | has anyone here bothered pre-ordering Vista at all ? |
| 12:54:34 | Slasheri | no windows, no vista |
| 12:54:36 | JdGordon | webguest81: the usuals arent in.. but whatcha need? |
| 12:54:50 | Slasheri | if you really need windows, just install xp |
| 12:54:56 | * | JdGordon seconds Slasheri |
| 12:55:01 | Slasheri | :) |
| 12:55:09 | * | GodEater has lost his XP install disc |
| 12:55:12 | JdGordon | I actually switched in preperation for vista |
| 12:55:18 | GodEater | so was going to go with the new version |
| 12:55:37 | GodEater | but the pricing difference between getting it via Amazon in the UK , and Amazon in the US are ridiculous |
| 12:55:41 | Slasheri | you should be prepared it will be buggy |
| 12:55:44 | GodEater | we're being charged nearly DOUBLE in the UK |
| 12:55:54 | Slasheri | and less supported than currently working xp |
| 12:55:57 | GodEater | I already played with both Betas |
| 12:56:05 | GodEater | seemed good enough to me |
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| 12:56:39 | webguest81 | JdGordon: I was a little curious... I haven't developed actual firmware before, but has some programming and hardware interfacing experience. Thought, if possible, I would give a hand in development. |
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| 12:57:03 | JdGordon | help is always welcome... grab the source from cvs and start hacking |
| 12:58:08 | webguest81 | Yeah, just joined to see if anyone had a little general introduction and status for the sansa e200 series... |
| 12:58:32 | JdGordon | it boots, but no audio iirc |
| 12:59:26 | webguest81 | saw that in the forum I think... I will grab the source, would be an interesting project :P |
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| 13:09:16 | jeffb | damn just discovered my ramdisk is being overwritten by kernel pages |
| 13:09:21 | jeffb | have to find a way to reserve it |
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| 13:10:32 | leftright | hey Slasheri, have you got your H140 back ? |
| 13:10:46 | Slasheri | leftright: yes, it's working great :) |
| 13:11:01 | leftright | great, thought we'd lost you there :-) |
| 13:11:07 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
| 13:11:26 | Slasheri | i just have been too busy to commit anything recently.. |
| 13:11:51 | leftright | uhuh, work..... i'm off at the moment, lazing around |
| 13:12:05 | jeffb | that means I'm gonna have to compile the romdisk into the kernel everytime it's changed :/ |
| 13:12:39 | GodEater | jeffb: don't forget you were going to mail me your kernel and bootloader ? |
| 13:12:43 | jeffb | oh yeah |
| 13:12:47 | jeffb | sorry |
| 13:12:51 | GodEater | hehe - np :) |
| 13:12:57 | jeffb | I think I just broke it :/ |
| 13:13:02 | jeffb | but I'll send anyway |
| 13:13:04 | GodEater | oops |
| 13:13:13 | GodEater | well I can wait till you've mended it ? |
| 13:13:31 | jeffb | yeah |
| 13:13:47 | jeffb | it boots but when something gets malloc()'ed it overwrites the rom area lol |
| 13:13:54 | GodEater | not good =/ |
| 13:13:55 | jeffb | and b00m... eventual crash |
| 13:14:13 | jeffb | so now I have to make sure to reserve the memory region in arch/armnommu/setup.c |
| 13:14:50 | leftright | scorche: pingggg |
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| 13:21:23 | Fabbari | Greetings earthlings! :) |
| 13:24:25 | GodEater | jeffb: Did you ever get around to making that post on the forums requesting a 5.5G 30GB Flash dump ? |
| 13:24:33 | jeffb | nope |
| 13:25:02 | jeffb | I probably should eventually |
| 13:25:04 | Fabbari | I was reading about the probable lockstepping or memory bottleneck on the iPod usage of the COP. Are there any news on the topic? |
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| 13:26:20 | GodEater | wonder if we should add a debug menu feature for doing that on iPod builds, to make it easy in future releases ? |
| 13:26:58 | GodEater | I might as well ask empty air that question though - all the core devs appear to be doing proper xmasy things today :) |
| 13:27:06 | GodEater | like sleeping and eating |
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| 13:28:15 | Fabbari | ...so there are human beings among devs! :) |
| 13:28:19 | jeffb | GodEater, yeah |
| 13:29:06 | jeffb | GodEater, I assume you know how to dump the flash rom? It's a simple remap to 0x20000000 at startup and then you can just use simple fwrite() from there. |
| 13:29:18 | jeffb | I have assembler source if you need it |
| 13:30:01 | jeffb | I started on a patch for rockbox, but haven't finished it |
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| 13:31:44 | GodEater | jeffb: linuxstb didn't mention that remapping was necessary - but I'm no expert in either direction |
| 13:32:04 | jeffb | hrm interesting |
| 13:32:39 | GodEater | let me hunt through the irc logs from the last few days - see if I can find where he said it |
| 13:32:39 | jeffb | not sure how rockbox boots yet... so I will have to see |
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| 13:33:37 | GodEater | <linuxstb> It's not that hard. Just something like write(fd,0,512*1024*1024); will dump the flash to a file. You then need to link it into the bootloader (e.g. convert it into a C char array), and then do a byte-by-byte comparison. |
| 13:33:55 | GodEater | there you go - he said it a couple of days ago |
| 13:34:09 | GodEater | we still need to find someone who's got a 30G willing to do it though |
| 13:34:37 | GodEater | maybe we should add a big flashing message into the next few daily builds - so when they put it on their iPods they get a nice "Please consider giving us a dump of your flash rom" :) |
| 13:34:47 | jeffb | hehe |
| 13:34:51 | jeffb | that would be cool |
| 13:34:55 | GodEater | since none of them appear to come here or to the forums anymore :) |
| 13:35:22 | linuxstb | Maybe Slasheri can help... |
| 13:35:36 | GodEater | he has a 30GB |
| 13:35:37 | GodEater | ? |
| 13:35:42 | linuxstb | Yes, 30GB 5.5g |
| 13:35:45 | Slasheri | hmm, yep |
| 13:36:03 | GodEater | that would be very nice of him if he would :) |
| 13:36:14 | Slasheri | linuxstb: do you already have some code to do the flash dumping? |
| 13:36:15 | jeffb | upon boot of the ipod the flashrom is at 0x0... I assume rockbox leaves it at 0x0? |
| 13:36:28 | jeffb | linux gets remapped to 0x0 in setup.S |
| 13:36:36 | jeffb | so that's why you have to remap it to 0x200000000 |
| 13:36:38 | * | GodEater looks blanky in linuxstb's direction |
| 13:37:05 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Just fd=open("/flash.bin",O_CREAT|O_RDONLY) ; write(fd,0,1024*1024) ; close(fd); (in the bootloader, after the disk has been mounted). |
| 13:37:20 | linuxstb | Sorry, O_WRONLY... |
| 13:37:22 | jeffb | wow that is simple |
| 13:37:29 | linuxstb | jeffb: Yes... |
| 13:37:29 | GodEater | was going to say :) |
| 13:37:37 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hehe, i will do that once i get home :) |
| 13:37:37 | GodEater | RDONLY would have been a novel approach :) |
| 13:37:38 | * | linuxstb wonders why jeffb is making life hard and using the IPL kernel... |
| 13:37:40 | jeffb | doing that in linux is a major pain |
| 13:37:46 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, it wont work from rockbox? |
| 13:37:59 | jeffb | linuxstb, I do'nt know why either |
| 13:38:01 | linuxstb | No, we remap RAM to 0x0 (over the top of the flash). |
| 13:38:05 | Slasheri | ah |
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| 13:38:20 | jeffb | linuxstb, so obviously you'd have to dump it before you remap the ram |
| 13:38:24 | GodEater | linuxstb: he says he has access to the serial port from the iPL kernel - which might be a way to get the flashrom dumped ? |
| 13:38:33 | linuxstb | We could remap flash to somewhere else, but there's no point. It also feels safer to leave the flash inaccessible. |
| 13:39:06 | jeffb | once I have the flashrom of the 30gb I can compare it to the 80gb versoin |
| 13:39:21 | linuxstb | jeffb: We don't remap RAM in the bootloader, so it's not a problem. But the Rockbox bootloader is a stripped-down version of Rockbox itself, so it has nice things like full write access to the disk. |
| 13:39:32 | jeffb | nice |
| 13:40:14 | jeffb | I guess I'm messing with linux mostly because I already know it |
| 13:40:16 | jeffb | I've written several linux drivers in the past |
| 13:40:17 | GodEater | makes sense to me |
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| 13:42:11 | GodEater | once (assuming he can) jeffb makes it work on linux, it won't be too tough to get it working in rockbox |
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| 13:42:49 | GodEater | slasheri, you have to wait till you get home because you've not got your iPod with you ? |
| 13:43:14 | Slasheri | GodEater: correct, i have only the iriver with me :) |
| 13:43:19 | GodEater | bugger |
| 13:43:54 | Slasheri | about 4 hours and i will be home |
| 13:44:35 | linuxstb | jeffb: Is the flash 1MB or 512KB? I forget... |
| 13:44:50 | jeffb | on the nano I've found the flash image is 512kb |
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| 13:45:03 | jeffb | but on the video it's 1mb |
| 13:45:32 | jeffb | the flash chip capacity is 1mb |
| 13:45:51 | linuxstb | The size of the aupd image in the firmware partition should tell us. |
| 13:46:06 | jeffb | yup it's 1MB in the image |
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| 13:47:18 | GodEater | is the AUPD image encrypted ? |
| 13:47:26 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 13:47:31 | GodEater | bugger |
| 13:47:45 | GodEater | damn you apple! |
| 13:48:16 | GodEater | remind me what else they encrypted on the new Nano ? |
| 13:48:30 | jeffb | the nano 2g? |
| 13:48:34 | jeffb | everything! |
| 13:48:36 | linuxstb | The main firmware as well. |
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| 13:48:47 | jeffb | the rsrc file isn't encrypted |
| 13:49:03 | Cazov | that is just a clever ploy to make you think it is unencrypted... |
| 13:49:05 | linuxstb | On the other ipods, the main firmware is unencrypted, so it's easy to add and run our own code. |
| 13:49:19 | jeffb | Cazov, very good point heh |
| 13:49:41 | GodEater | it seems like a sort of waste of time encrypting the AUPD image on the old iPods - when it was so easy (originally) to get at it's content afterwards |
| 13:49:50 | jeffb | linuxstb, yeah the checksum routine on the other ipods is quite funny |
| 13:50:16 | GodEater | did anybody ever try reverse engineering the encryption ? |
| 13:50:24 | * | GodEater supposes they never bothered |
| 13:51:00 | * | cd_rom is thinking of joh ( the guy who crack apple music protected format) |
| 13:51:10 | cd_rom | cracked* |
| 13:51:32 | GodEater | do you mean "DVD Jon" ? |
| 13:51:36 | cd_rom | yep |
| 13:51:54 | GodEater | didn't think he did crack it - I thought he just found a way of stopping it being applied in the first place |
| 13:52:02 | jeffb | I've started on the task GodEater ... I've disassembled the nano flashrom |
| 13:52:02 | GodEater | course, I could be wrong |
| 13:52:12 | cd_rom | he cracked it again and now he plans to patent it! |
| 13:52:21 | GodEater | jeffb, wow - you don't mind biting off huge chunks of work do you ? :) |
| 13:52:26 | jeffb | heh |
| 13:52:40 | jeffb | stuff to work on during slow periods at work |
| 13:52:53 | GodEater | heh - that's how I got started too - and HELL is it slow today |
| 13:53:10 | jeffb | I'm going back to school soon and only staying at my job for monetary reasons |
| 13:53:44 | jeffb | Gonna do a graduate degree in ECE |
| 13:53:49 | Cazov | heh |
| 13:53:54 | Cazov | I'm doing that right now |
| 13:54:00 | jeffb | nice |
| 13:54:00 | jeffb | how you like it |
| 13:54:09 | Cazov | eh...undergrad was a lot easier |
| 13:54:10 | GodEater | lord I couldn't bear the thought of going back to college |
| 13:54:27 | jeffb | I'm excited abougt it |
| 13:54:38 | Cazov | just finished my first quarter in the grad program though so I don't want to make any lasting decisions about the quality yet |
| 13:54:46 | Cazov | where are you thinking of applying? |
| 13:55:51 | jeffb | Many places actually... UCB, Georgia Tech, and maybe even MIT. |
| 13:56:03 | GodEater | woo |
| 13:56:05 | Cazov | ah, good schools |
| 13:56:05 | jeffb | MIT is probably not realistic for me |
| 13:56:08 | GodEater | ah shame |
| 13:56:13 | jeffb | just too hard |
| 13:56:19 | Cazov | MIT is too hardcore :p |
| 13:56:37 | Cazov | I didn't even bother applying because it'd be too much work, same with Stanford |
| 13:56:45 | jeffb | I got good marks in undergrad for a dual EE and CE degree |
| 13:56:55 | jeffb | but that still won't be enough |
| 13:56:57 | Cazov | oh, dual degree looks good |
| 13:57:32 | jeffb | I'm mainly going back so that I can get jobs with more design influence |
| 13:58:00 | jeffb | You get respect with the graduate degree |
| 13:58:04 | jeffb | at least at some companies |
| 13:58:24 | Cazov | yeah, just make sure to check out the course offerings before you make many decisions (if you're just going for coursework) since I know here at UW we don't really have much in the way of embedded systems/system design at the graduate level |
| 13:58:57 | jeffb | yeah I haven't even figured out what my emphasis will be yet |
| 13:59:08 | Cazov | don't go controls, it sucks :p |
| 13:59:19 | jeffb | I'm thinking embedded systems with some DSP and possibly RF |
| 13:59:28 | jeffb | RF is crazy though |
| 13:59:29 | Cazov | that will make you pretty employable |
| 13:59:31 | Cazov | yeah |
| 13:59:38 | Cazov | good RF engineers are worth a lot of money |
| 13:59:47 | GodEater | RF ? |
| 13:59:56 | Cazov | radio-frequency |
| 13:59:58 | jeffb | I want to know the embedded and RF stuff very well if possible... |
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| 14:00:44 | jeffb | Cazov, what is your emphasis? |
| 14:00:47 | Cazov | well |
| 14:00:56 | Cazov | initially control theory but yeah...I'm not liking it much |
| 14:01:04 | Cazov | so I'm going to go with embedded I think..more fun |
| 14:01:09 | jeffb | ahh |
| 14:01:37 | Cazov | probably grab some intro/DSP stuff and other things and bill myself as a generalist and try to grab a spot at some small tech company |
| 14:01:48 | jeffb | yeah |
| 14:01:50 | jeffb | where is UW? |
| 14:01:54 | Cazov | Seattle |
| 14:01:56 | jeffb | ah |
| 14:02:06 | Cazov | so there are a lot of places on the other side of the lake (i.e. Redmond) |
| 14:02:20 | jeffb | the market for engineers is very good right now so it's easier to get into good school |
| 14:02:34 | jeffb | supposedly |
| 14:02:38 | Cazov | heh |
| 14:03:03 | Cazov | doesn't surprise me' |
| 14:03:21 | Cazov | a lot of my friends went and got real jobs and are doing quite well for themselves |
| 14:03:39 | jeffb | having the graduate degree in tihs field can really help you |
| 14:03:44 | jeffb | at my current job I can't get promoted without it |
| 14:04:02 | jeffb | so I get to do all the grunt work |
| 14:04:07 | Cazov | ugh |
| 14:04:26 | Cazov | yeah, one of the big reasons I continued on was so I would have better options |
| 14:04:31 | jeffb | yup |
| 14:04:34 | jeffb | good choice imo |
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| 14:05:26 | jeffb | another benefit is you'll be able to get jobs outside the US if you want to... |
| 14:05:36 | Cazov | oh, that may be interesting |
| 14:05:53 | Cazov | probably safer too |
| 14:05:56 | jeffb | heh |
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| 14:09:52 | jeffb | linuxstb, the length of the encrypted flashrom image in the nano firmware is only 545792 bytes, but in the ipod video image it's 1048576 bytes. So I guess just always dump 1mb |
| 14:10:47 | GodEater | time for some lunch - bbl |
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| 15:15:01 | GodEater | the iPod videos (all generations) all use the PP5022 right ? |
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| 15:16:31 | Llorean | Results are in, and it looks like the kernel_on_cop_6.diff does increase battery life. |
| 15:16:56 | GodEater | not by much thought by the sounds of it :) |
| 15:17:04 | GodEater | s/thought/though |
| 15:18:23 | Llorean | It wouldn't be expected to be terribly much. |
| 15:19:04 | GodEater | well any difference is good - it's movement in the right direction - I can't see any reasons why people wouldn't welcome it |
| 15:19:17 | GodEater | what is the difference you've measured ? |
| 15:20:25 | Llorean | Well, it took my nano 12 minutes longer to reach 10% from 90% |
| 15:20:33 | Llorean | Though the percentages aren't terribly real anyway |
| 15:20:47 | Llorean | So, let's say, to go from 4.08v to 3.65v |
| 15:23:45 | Llorean | Considering that was ~ a 3:30 minute time period (give or take the variation that adds the 12 minutes) its actually non-trivial percentage, though it's still a small amount of time. |
| 15:24:01 | Llorean | The total runtimes varied by about 30 minutes, on a total time of just about 6 hoursish |
| 15:24:35 | GodEater | that's not bad at all then |
| 15:25:06 | Llorean | It's enough to say "the patch is having a noticeable affect" and also "but this isn't likely to be the fix for our battery life problems" :) |
| 15:25:25 | GodEater | eh |
| 15:25:40 | GodEater | that was supposed to say "heh" |
| 15:26:48 | Llorean | There's also the fact that my playlist was fairly high in high-bitrate MP3 and Q6 (or was it 7) Ogg/Vorbis, which is why the life is moderately short |
| 15:27:14 | GodEater | heh - you people with the golden eardrums :) |
| 15:27:35 | GodEater | I'm so glad I'm challenged in that department - I can get away with much lower quality :) |
| 15:27:39 | Llorean | Mine aren't golden by any degree. |
| 15:28:04 | Llorean | But, they're bad enough that on quiet nights I find myself wandering through the apartment unplugging all of my electronics. :( |
| 15:28:48 | Llorean | But I know for me, a lot of the difference between say, 256kbps mp3 and 192 is psychological. |
| 15:29:00 | Llorean | But that doesn't mean my brain doesn't convince my ears it sounds better. |
| 15:30:37 | GodEater | I feel for you - my brain is easily cajoled into doing what it's damn well told, even if that's enjoying MP3s at a maximum of 192Kbps |
| 15:31:25 | Llorean | Oh, I imagine I can convince my brain if I wanted to. |
| 15:31:46 | Llorean | But why bother. If you can getter better soundquality than you're physically capable of hearing just by not believing that you can't, why not? |
| 15:32:26 | Llorean | I figure, as long as the placebo effect exists, I may as well profit from it. |
| 15:33:14 | GodEater | heh - I prefer having more space on my iPod and the promise of slightly longer battery life I guess |
| 15:34:51 | Llorean | I have several days of music on even my 20gb H120. And that's with a lot of songs in FLAC just because I never bothered to transcode them for transfers. 's more than enough for me, in general, and I still have space free. |
| 15:36:09 | Llorean | Anyway, I'm just happy that the COP patch *appears* to be working |
| 15:36:18 | GodEater | I nearly filled my H140 before the battery decided it had had enough and wanted to go on permanent vacation |
| 15:36:20 | lostlogic | Llorean: yay. |
| 15:36:50 | GodEater | which is unfortunately why I had to buy the 80GB ipod to replace it with - the 30GB wasn't enough |
| 15:37:12 | Llorean | lostlogic: Only an extra 12 minutes over a 3:30 or so period, but I'd say that's enough to call it a measurable difference |
| 15:38:58 | lostlogic | >5% yeah, it's not just noise. |
| 15:39:19 | lostlogic | but as you said, it's not yet solving the major 50% drop in battery life on ipoops |
| 15:39:40 | Llorean | Well, I'm still betting that's relating to the USB controller, or some other little extra part of the System on a Chip junk that we haven't shut off properly |
| 15:40:18 | Llorean | I don't think everything's working quite right with this yet anyway. |
| 15:40:47 | Llorean | The UI still gets way too sluggish if you enable too many audio features, and it really shouldn't affect UI speed at all if it's working right, correct? |
| 15:41:40 | lostlogic | Llorean: I think we're bumping up against DRAM bandwidth limitations (as amiconn suggested) now, which both cores are going to be competing for |
| 15:42:31 | Llorean | Ah |
| 15:42:36 | lostlogic | which is why I want to find a way to pass the uncompressed audio data back from the codec in IRAM instead of DRAM and see where that gets me... sadly that's looking like a difficult proposition. |
| 15:43:54 | GodEater | god the Apple installation/removal forum is depressing reading. The average IQ in the world looks to be absolutely plummeting |
| 15:46:00 | Llorean | lostlogic: I was just kinda assuming the scheduler wasn't yet adapted to both cores, and was mucking up the works on the primary one when it didn't need to any more. |
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| 15:46:22 | Llorean | This sluggishness didn't used to happen this way until the scheduler was introduced. Instead the audio would just skip. |
| 15:47:07 | lostlogic | Llorean: hmm, that's possible, I forgot htat not everyone turns off priority scheduling like I do :-D |
| 15:47:45 | Llorean | lostlogic: Indeed, I didn't bother. I assume there's a define I can kill in the appropriate target config, perhaps? |
| 15:48:09 | Llorean | I'd like to try some things without it later, and see how performance changes. |
| 15:48:27 | lostlogic | yeah, just undefine HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING I think it's called |
| 15:48:33 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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| 15:48:46 | lostlogic | I prefer to have music skip and use the old fashioned simple round robbin scheduler |
| 15:48:55 | Llorean | But it really does feel like the scheduler is what's gumming things up now. |
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| 15:50:29 | Llorean | Of course, I'm saying "feel" here in an entirely subjective sense. :) |
| 15:51:18 | GodEater | you're using the force to debug rockbox now Llorean ? :) |
| 15:52:11 | Llorean | GodEater: It's worked in the past. :-P |
| 15:52:24 | GodEater | glad to hear it |
| 15:53:57 | Llorean | lostlogic: What file is that in, d'you remember? |
| 15:55:06 | Llorean | Nevermind |
| 15:55:06 | lostlogic | config-target.h |
| 15:55:09 | Llorean | config.h |
| 15:55:12 | Llorean | It's not the target ones |
| 15:55:30 | lostlogic | hah, so no, I don't remember :-D |
| 15:55:55 | Llorean | lostlogic: Do I remove HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL too? |
| 15:57:35 | lostlogic | no |
| 15:57:43 | Llorean | Hmmm |
| 15:57:45 | lostlogic | that's pretty much required on swcodec targets now |
| 15:57:52 | Llorean | Also something I noticed |
| 15:58:01 | lostlogic | s/pretty much// |
| 15:58:03 | Llorean | Right now, we do, basically, "If Portalplayer, then 2 cores, else 1 core" |
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| 15:58:11 | webguest49 | hey |
| 15:58:23 | webguest49 | does anyone know when roccbox will come out for the 2nd gen ipod nanos? |
| 15:58:26 | Llorean | Shouldn't it be "If portalplayer, then 2 cores" and later "if numcores is undefined, 1 core" that way if future targets have two cores it's ready to deal with it? |
| 15:58:30 | lostlogic | webguest49: no timeframes. |
| 15:58:58 | Llorean | webguest49: It's physically impossible to predict. I suggest perhaps a tarot reading. |
| 15:59:13 | webguest49 | so no one knows like...1 month...a year? |
| 15:59:23 | Llorean | PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT. |
| 15:59:30 | lostlogic | Llorean: doesn't really matter until we have other targets with multiple cores (like the 2g nano perhaps) :-P |
| 15:59:35 | Llorean | lostlogic: I like to plan ahead. :-p |
| 15:59:37 | webguest49 | has anyone even started working on the new version for it yet? |
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| 15:59:52 | Genre9mp3 | webguest49: no-one |
| 15:59:54 | Llorean | webguest49: Nobody has been able to crack the new encryption they put on their firmware, yet. |
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| 16:00:01 | lostlogic | webguest49: you could be the first :) |
| 16:00:34 | webguest49 | im just 12....i would love to know how to crack firmware :D |
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| 16:01:36 | Llorean | Well, the encryption is just so that we can encrypt our own and have their bootloader recognize and load it for us. |
| 16:01:49 | lostlogic | webguest49: well you actually use English better than most people in your age range, so I commend you. sadly that doesn't make 2g nano support come out any sooner ;) |
| 16:02:02 | Llorean | But until that step is past, it's impossible to do any further real work |
| 16:02:35 | Soap | Seduction of core Apple employees is always an option. |
| 16:03:05 | webguest49 | Since encryption is like a code...are they just trying to guess the code...like a series of numbers? |
| 16:03:09 | Llorean | I tried that, but Jobs is remarkably clueless about actual hardware information. Apparently he's just a pretty face these days. |
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| 16:03:44 | GodEater | Soap: I'm not sure that option is open to a 12 year old. Not without getting the apple employee sent to prison anyway. |
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| 16:05:20 | webguest49 | On older ipod models...was there an encription code? |
| 16:05:23 | Llorean | Nope |
| 16:05:43 | Llorean | Well, there was, but it only affected one of the parts, the one we don't need to mess with. |
| 16:05:52 | lostlogic | webguest49: but some other players that rockbox support did have encrypted firmware. |
| 16:06:27 | webguest49 | why would apple really want you to not be able to mess with the firmware? |
| 16:06:37 | lostlogic | usually firmware encryption is fairly simplistic, because the player hardware can't waste time decrpyting it, so it doesn't even necessarily have a key code, but could be a mathematical formula that is applied to the code. |
| 16:06:42 | GodEater | webguest49: cos they're mean |
| 16:07:06 | Llorean | webguest49: Because we cost Apple money. |
| 16:07:14 | lostlogic | Llorean: huh? how? |
| 16:07:22 | Llorean | lostlogic: People who can't follow instructions |
| 16:07:25 | webguest49 | how? |
| 16:07:26 | webguest49 | :D |
| 16:07:44 | Llorean | There's always a percentage of people who don't follow the instructions, assume they've messed up their iPod, and either force a replacement, or bother technical support. |
| 16:07:52 | Llorean | So Apple ends up having to spend money on our stupid users. |
| 16:08:07 | Llorean | Users whose warranties are voided anyway, but choose to lie to Apple's support people |
| 16:08:08 | GodEater | a fairly high percentage sadly |
| 16:08:14 | lostlogic | hmm... I'd guess we drive just as much profit from additional sales. |
| 16:08:27 | Llorean | lostlogic: But, Apple can selectively ignore those. |
| 16:08:34 | webguest49 | BRB−−im gonna regiester. |
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| 16:09:12 | lostlogic | my brain hurts. that was a polite and proper-english-using 12yo. :-\ |
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| 16:09:15 | lostlogic | :) |
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| 16:09:45 | Genre9mp3 | 49 you mean :P |
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| 16:10:54 | lostlogic | Llorean: how have people bricked apple players with rockbox? I thought it was near impossible. |
| 16:11:10 | GodEater | lostlogic: they haven't |
| 16:11:14 | GodEater | they just assume they have |
| 16:11:25 | lostlogic | wow, people are dumber than I give them credit. |
| 16:11:37 | GodEater | sadly that's too true |
| 16:12:28 | Llorean | lostlogic: For every few people that say "How do I fix this" there's at least one who sees the sad apple logo, can't get a USB connection, and goes into the store to pester someone. And every now and then they even come back and tell one of us about it |
| 16:12:30 | ElfQrin | What do you mean by bricked....broke? |
| 16:12:44 | GodEater | can't you tell from the number of "OMG - I'VE JST BRIX0RED MY IPOD PLZ HELP ME NOW LOL!!!!" posts in the forums ? |
| 16:12:59 | lostlogic | GodEater: I avoid the forum almost like the plague |
| 16:13:01 | lostlogic | ElfQrin: yeah |
| 16:13:40 | GodEater | ElfQrin: from my "insert your music player name here" is now as good as a brick. |
| 16:14:15 | Llorean | lostlogic: Okay, without priority scheduling enable menus seem to run full speed, but with all the sound settings on, peakmeters or scrolling quickly in lists can still cause music to skip |
| 16:14:36 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, that's about what I get. |
| 16:15:03 | Llorean | But it seems at least I get 5-band EQ, Dithering AND Crossfeed without skips if I don't press anything, in a menu. |
| 16:15:21 | GodEater | I assume the scheduling is *extremely* rockbox specific and not hacked in from some other open source OS's scheduler ? |
| 16:15:24 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 16:15:29 | lostlogic | GodEater: yes |
| 16:15:38 | lostlogic | GodEater: it's cooperative multithreading (now on two cores) |
| 16:16:10 | GodEater | is that similar to how co-op multi-tasking used to work in Windows 3.x ?!? |
| 16:16:13 | GodEater | or am I completely off base ? |
| 16:16:15 | Llorean | lostlogic: And this is a 320kbps MP3, so that's not bad at all, I think. |
| 16:16:25 | lostlogic | GodEater: sorta −− I think win3x still had some preemption |
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| 16:16:49 | GodEater | I didn't think it did |
| 16:16:54 | ElfQrin | Got to go...talk to ya all later. |
| 16:16:57 | lostlogic | Llorean: cool, I'm definitely running with cop on as my normal now instead of only for testing. |
| 16:16:59 | ElfQrin | Thanks for all the help |
| 16:17:04 | * | Llorean agrees |
| 16:17:06 | lostlogic | ElfQrin: later, get hacking :) |
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| 16:17:21 | Llorean | Honestly, with the fact that patch 6 increases battery life, assuming all targets build and/or boot, I think that stage of progress should be committed. |
| 16:17:28 | GodEater | but basically you're saying the threads hand off to each other when *they* feel like it, and not when the kernel does ? |
| 16:17:44 | lostlogic | GodEater: yep −− the kernel decides what order they run in |
| 16:17:57 | lostlogic | but a thread that's being an asshat can hold onto the cpu for as long as it wants once it has it |
| 16:18:39 | GodEater | is there a reason for not using pre-emption beyond "we've not written it into the kernel yet" ? |
| 16:18:40 | lostlogic | Llorean: what's being considered for commit doesn't yet run the codec on the COP −− we're still worried about cach coherency issues with doing that, I think. |
| 16:18:53 | lostlogic | GodEater: preemption is very complex and has a ton of overhead. |
| 16:19:05 | Llorean | lostlogic: What would those issues cause? |
| 16:19:05 | lostlogic | GodEater: rockbox will probabaly always use a cooperative model |
| 16:19:29 | lostlogic | Llorean: most likely incorrect samples playing, but possibly codec crashes during a rebuffer if the codec is catching up to the file buffer. |
| 16:19:43 | Llorean | Ah |
| 16:19:43 | * | GodEater thinks about it some more and realises that makes a lot of sense |
| 16:19:51 | lostlogic | Llorean: but in truth, the core cache sizes are small enough that it's quite unlikley |
| 16:19:56 | GodEater | been a LONG time since my last systems programming lecture =/ |
| 16:20:03 | Llorean | lostlogic: Committing it all would tell us very quickly whether that's a real problem. :-P |
| 16:20:18 | lostlogic | haha, a valid point |
| 16:20:30 | lostlogic | I defer to dan and barry who are more consistently around than me though. |
| 16:20:37 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 16:21:23 | Llorean | I think if the commit message were just something like "These changes have shown to improve battery life by ~5% on iPods, but may cause some stability issues, bug reports are welcome" people would be happy with it. |
| 16:21:23 | lostlogic | ugh, I didn't realize until just now reading the wiki that the PP chips have DMA that we're not using −− that would probably be the right way to solve our memory bandwidth issues. |
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| 16:21:36 | lostlogic | *nod* |
| 16:21:40 | Llorean | lostlogic: Yeah, that's been a sore point in our PP progress. |
| 16:21:52 | GodEater | would probably solve our disk issues too |
| 16:22:00 | lostlogic | we have disk issues? |
| 16:22:07 | Llorean | 5.5G 80gb |
| 16:22:07 | GodEater | on the 80GB |
| 16:22:10 | lostlogic | ahh |
| 16:22:17 | GodEater | we can't make PIO mode work properly |
| 16:22:20 | Llorean | His theory is that PIO is borked entirely for them. |
| 16:22:25 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 16:22:26 | Llorean | Which, honestly, may be the case. |
| 16:22:35 | GodEater | yes - I've not got many subscribers to that idea |
| 16:22:42 | GodEater | but it's all I can think of |
| 16:22:52 | Llorean | Well, the problem with that theory is that it's a "theory by elimination" |
| 16:23:02 | GodEater | true |
| 16:23:17 | Llorean | There's no evidence at all for it other than the fact that we've got evidence against everything else we can try, and we can't try that yet. :-P |
| 16:23:21 | GodEater | I was trying to work out earlier if the problem is with the disk or the PP chip itself |
| 16:23:49 | GodEater | does anyone know if you can get ZIF convertors to try plugging the disk into a PC motherboard ? |
| 16:24:05 | GodEater | if so then you could try running PIO commands to it from any OS you like |
| 16:24:11 | GodEater | and see if they work |
| 16:24:11 | Llorean | You can get enclosures on the cheap, I believe |
| 16:24:20 | GodEater | and if they *don't* |
| 16:24:23 | Llorean | then it becomes a USB2.0 UMS device |
| 16:24:26 | GodEater | then we can complain to Toshiba :) |
| 16:24:33 | GodEater | oh really ? |
| 16:24:49 | GodEater | that wouldn't work then |
| 16:25:05 | GodEater | it works fine as a UMS device it seems |
| 16:25:46 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, in the iPod though, it's Apple's Firmware handling all the USB. It's only a UMS device because the Apple firmware's sitting in there translating. |
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| 16:25:59 | GodEater | ah true |
| 16:26:08 | Llorean | If the drive were the problem you'd probably know fairly quickly by popping it into an enclosure that handles it in a standard manner. |
| 16:26:18 | GodEater | hmmm |
| 16:26:23 | youliang | anybody having rockbox on sansae200 here? |
| 16:26:47 | GodEater | there'd still need to be some sort of controller in the enclosure though to translate USB->ATA |
| 16:26:47 | Llorean | youliang: It's still in fairly early development on the e200 |
| 16:26:57 | youliang | i seem to have a -1 error when i install it |
| 16:26:58 | Llorean | GodEater: Yup. |
| 16:27:00 | lostlogic | hmph, there's a FIQ on the COP now that's interesting. |
| 16:27:00 | GodEater | I'd be happier if I could get raw ATA access to it |
| 16:27:06 | Llorean | youliang: That means you haven't extracted rockbox.zip into the root |
| 16:27:18 | Llorean | GodEater: Ah, well I'm sure they make ATA adapters too |
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| 16:27:56 | ElfQrin | Hey |
| 16:27:59 | ElfQrin | im back... |
| 16:28:13 | sid | Once I go to artists/person/song, and the song plays...how do I get back to the menu with artists, or to albums? |
| 16:28:35 | Llorean | sid: Tap the select button. |
| 16:29:44 | Llorean | lostlogic: Does your "that's interesting" mean you have an idea to put it to good use, or just a casual sort of noticing of it? |
| 16:29:56 | * | Llorean would usually judge such a thing by intonation. |
| 16:30:00 | GodEater | and what's a FIQ anyway ? :) |
| 16:30:31 | Llorean | Fast Interrupt something, right? |
| 16:30:48 | lostlogic | Llorean: well I don't know enough about it really, but I'm wondering if it'd be possible to move DSP and or voice mixing to the FIQ on one core so that it can run just a few samples ahead of the FIQ on the other core feeding the data to the DAC |
| 16:30:53 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah |
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| 16:38:36 | sid | Llorean: When I tap select I see sound settings, playlist, playlist catalog, bookmarks, show id3 info, open with, pitch, graphical eq, browse eq presets |
| 16:38:51 | sid | Llorean: but I don't see "artists" or "albums" or anything like I first did when I booted the thing. |
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| 16:39:07 | Llorean | sid: Then you're not tapping select. |
| 16:39:13 | Llorean | sid: You have what sort of player? |
| 16:39:33 | sid | 5g video |
| 16:39:40 | sid | ahh, I was hitting it too hard |
| 16:39:40 | sid | I see |
| 16:39:47 | Llorean | That's why I used the word "tap" |
| 16:40:02 | webguest58 | . |
| 16:40:18 | Llorean | lostlogic: Woo! I got to close another ridiculous feature requests. This person wanted a "VLC Port" for Rockbox, as a solution to the whole video not playing concern. |
| 16:40:31 | webguest58 | Llorean, i've placed the .rockbox folder into the root, but its stil displays error -1 |
| 16:40:43 | webguest58 | btw, the .rockbox folder is a hidden folder right? |
| 16:40:53 | lostlogic | Llorean: :-P |
| 16:40:58 | Soap | webguest58: that is only half of the equation |
| 16:40:59 | Llorean | webguest58: I didn't say "place the .rockbox folder into the root", I said "extract rockbox.zip into the root", you should also have a rockbox.e200 file in the root |
| 16:41:18 | Llorean | lostlogic: I think there should be a reason for closing listed simply as "Hahaha... No." |
| 16:41:48 | Llorean | Every now and then, a request just asks for such a closure |
| 16:41:50 | webguest58 | ohhh |
| 16:41:57 | webguest58 | hey..thanks man |
| 16:41:59 | webguest58 | it works now.. |
| 16:42:07 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, I've often wished for that at work as well |
| 16:42:29 | webguest58 | i didnt put the rockbox.e200 just now |
| 16:44:09 | webguest58 | Llorean, the rockbox.zip doesnt come with any plugins like doom or whatsoever right? |
| 16:44:56 | Soap | why do you believe that? |
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| 16:49:40 | webguest58 | sorry, dc.. my internet really suffers from the earthquake in taiwan, causes internet in malaysia to lagg.. |
| 16:50:04 | cd_rom | :S |
| 16:50:07 | Llorean | webguest58: All official, working plugins are included. |
| 16:51:36 | webguest58 | my doom says missing wad |
| 16:52:20 | Llorean | Yes, because while the doom plugin is included, you have to own a copy of the game and provide your own .wad, or use the shareware one. |
| 16:52:25 | Llorean | Check out the PluginDoom page on the wiki |
| 16:52:33 | webguest58 | ok |
| 16:52:53 | webguest58 | can i reduce the lcd brightness ? |
| 16:53:17 | Llorean | I don't believe so, at this time. |
| 16:53:57 | webguest58 | okay, do you seem to know how long can the battery last running rockbox? |
| 16:54:08 | Llorean | Nobody's done a benchmark yet. |
| 16:54:24 | Llorean | And since music doesn't play, we don't have any standard basis for comparision. |
| 16:54:52 | webguest58 | haha, yeah, I'll use it to play games! :) |
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| 16:56:02 | webguest58 | err , Llorean, the backlight on this rockbox doesnt turn off right? |
| 16:56:10 | webguest58 | ahh.. |
| 16:56:35 | webguest58 | anybody here knows whether the backlight on rockbox doesnt turn off? sansa e20 |
| 16:57:30 | tehsmo | hmm, is there a way to quit rockblox without shutting down? |
| 16:58:18 | Febs | tehsmo: what player? |
| 16:59:04 | tehsmo | ipod video |
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| 17:01:55 | Febs | Menu+Select |
| 17:01:57 | tehsmo | ah, thanks |
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| 17:07:35 | amiconn | Anyone with an ipod G4 greyscale around? |
| 17:07:50 | amiconn | (and/or G3) |
| 17:09:42 | webguest58 | nooooo |
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| 17:40:48 | ElfQrin | are there any rockbox developers here that would be willing to talk to me...a 12 year old? |
| 17:42:22 | goffa | i'm sure they would if there were any here |
| 17:42:44 | Furkle | im curious what a 12 year old would like to know |
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| 17:45:19 | Soap | ElfQrin: are your questions regarding the new Nano? |
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| 17:50:50 | maquis | ElfQrin: i'm not a dev, but go ahead and ask your question, and maybe someone can answer it |
| 17:55:40 | cd_rom | one of my favour quote: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of a wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" from Larry Wall |
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| 18:07:19 | Trama | oi pessoal |
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| 18:08:08 | markun | Capixaba: tudu bem? |
| 18:08:23 | Capixaba | tudo bem |
| 18:08:33 | markun | ah ok :) |
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| 18:11:39 | Capixaba | alguem do Brasil? |
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| 18:20:38 | ElfQrin | Are there any rockbox developers here that I could talk to? |
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| 18:22:23 | tehsmo | ElfQrin: you already asked that, and I'm pretty sure there are some in here ..if you have a question just ask |
| 18:23:11 | sarixe | hello, i have rockbox for iAudio X5. I noticed it has a Last.fm scrobbler, and i was wondering if anyone knows how to make amaroK automatically submit these values |
| 18:24:10 | sarixe | not values... songs |
| 18:24:53 | ElfQrin | I was wondering how to find firmware on my 2nd gen ipod...and i ws going to try and find it and modify it |
| 18:25:03 | ElfQrin | how did you all do it on previous ipod models |
| 18:26:03 | Genre9mp3 | ElfQrin: You mean 2nd Gen Nano? |
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| 18:26:48 | ElfQrin | yes |
| 18:26:55 | Furkle | ugh |
| 18:27:28 | Genre9mp3 | ElfQrin: To take an idea on what are the main obstacles on 2nd gen Nano read this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 |
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| 18:32:14 | Hela | too bad PaulPosition is not here now... |
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| 18:33:09 | sarixe | anyone know about the last.fm submitter? |
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| 18:33:50 | markun | Genre9mp3: rockbox now runs with audio on the Gigabeat! |
| 18:33:58 | Soap | sarixe: there is a page in the wiki about it. |
| 18:34:04 | sarixe | thanks |
| 18:34:13 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I've read about it... great news! :) |
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| 18:34:38 | markun | Yes, now we 'only' have to merge it back to the rockbox cvs :) |
| 18:35:17 | Genre9mp3 | is this a lot of work? |
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| 18:36:53 | Unleet | My friends Ipod Photo won't turn on. The battery isn't dead. Anybody know what to hold or press to get it to work again? |
| 18:37:11 | Genre9mp3 | btw... where's the "gentlemen..." mail? I think you owe us one! :P |
| 18:37:41 | Unleet | Anyone? |
| 18:37:46 | Hela | anyone with iriver h10? |
| 18:37:57 | Febs | Unleet: patience. |
| 18:37:59 | Unleet | I have an H10. |
| 18:38:01 | Furkle | Unleet: try holding select and menu for 5 seconds |
| 18:38:11 | Unleet | Ok Ty. |
| 18:38:11 | Unleet | Ok. |
| 18:38:38 | Hela | Unleet - do you have any problems with cpu usage (skiping songs etc.) when you enable EQ? |
| 18:38:45 | Unleet | No. |
| 18:38:48 | Hela | in rockbox of course |
| 18:38:51 | Hela | damn... |
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| 18:39:02 | Unleet | I went from Ubuntu to Windows XP and it stopped turning on. |
| 18:39:50 | Unleet | It turned on, but its giving the ipod icon now. |
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| 18:40:03 | Hela | now I wonder whats wrong with mine... |
| 18:41:18 | Unleet | Hela you have an H10 correct? |
| 18:41:25 | Unleet | 5,6, or 20gb? |
| 18:41:32 | Hela | 5GB |
| 18:41:42 | Unleet | State your problem. |
| 18:42:26 | Hela | skips song, works superslow with equalizer turned on |
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| 18:42:52 | Unleet | Im on the 20gb and it works fine. |
| 18:43:03 | Unleet | Perhaps you should reinstall rockbox.? |
| 18:43:40 | Hela | and that sucks since without eq sound is not so good |
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| 18:44:17 | Unleet | I don't use the EQ but my sound is fine. |
| 18:44:56 | Hela | too much sound in the background for me ;p |
| 18:45:13 | Unleet | Ahh. |
| 18:45:40 | Unleet | I got some new $100 bose headphones for christmas. No bg noise at all. ;) |
| 18:45:43 | Hela | kinda used to what I heard in zen micro |
| 18:46:14 | Hela | i bought new ones today, but still could use eq |
| 18:46:56 | Unleet | My only suggestion is to reinstall rockbox. |
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| 18:48:36 | Hela | I'll do that and see if anything changes |
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| 18:57:45 | Soap | it is a matter of too much CPU being consumed. |
| 18:57:55 | Soap | how many bands of EQ are you using? |
| 18:58:00 | Soap | Hela |
| 18:58:17 | Soap | each band of EQ consumes CPU. If you are using five, try three |
| 18:58:35 | Soap | if your WPS has peakmeters, change to a WPS without. |
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| 19:02:01 | Hela | i'm using patched rockbox from misticriver forum |
| 19:02:25 | Soap | then that is where you need to go for support. |
| 19:02:34 | Hela | with custom wps, so maybe that the problem |
| 19:03:00 | Soap | the problem is too much CPU consumption. |
| 19:03:49 | Hela | i asked about the problem on their forum, maybe there is someother way to make this right |
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| 19:05:15 | Hela | I've just changed wps to the original one and this still happens |
| 19:05:16 | Hela | anyway, thanks |
| 19:06:13 | Soap | whoa |
| 19:06:16 | Soap | Hela: |
| 19:06:27 | Soap | when you say the original one...do you mean one with peak meters? |
| 19:06:43 | Soap | You can make it right by not using all five bands of the EQ. |
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| 19:16:28 | tehsmo | yay, cross-compiler's working |
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| 19:17:49 | markun | Genre9mp3: I thought it wasn't much work, but my first attempt failed |
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| 19:22:49 | Lars_G | Hi all. |
| 19:22:53 | Lars_G | There is someone in rockbox that is very very smart... |
| 19:23:09 | Llorean | markun: Why isn't the Gigabeat port part of the main CVS yet? |
| 19:23:37 | markun | Llorean: my first attempt to merge the trees resulted in a broken bootloader. I'll try again tonight. |
| 19:24:10 | Llorean | markun: Okay. I'm just concerned because more people are starting to show up in the official forums and here in the channel, and there's no official files or anything. |
| 19:24:26 | markun | yes, I know. Sorry |
| 19:24:50 | markun | but I think after all this was the fastest way. We had a lot of people committing stuff. |
| 19:24:50 | Llorean | Oh, I'm not upset or anything. Just curious if there was something holding it back, or if it was just an issue of needing syncing. |
| 19:24:57 | Lars_G | Ah yes it's lear |
| 19:24:58 | Lars_G | but he's not here, ah well |
| 19:25:12 | markun | just syncing. audio and video play back great |
| 19:25:13 | Lars_G | Llorean: How's the svn migration comming up? |
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| 19:25:30 | markun | always room for improvements of course |
| 19:25:48 | Lars_G | Question |
| 19:25:51 | Llorean | Lars_G: I have nothing to do with it. :) If I understand it'll mostly be "start tool, let tool run, see what breaks once it's done" |
| 19:25:57 | Llorean | markun: Of course. :) |
| 19:26:02 | pixelma | congrats, markun! :) |
| 19:26:25 | Lars_G | any special reason you guys chose to use Alac for a demuxer? |
| 19:26:32 | Slasheri | now i am going to dump the rom on 5.5G |
| 19:26:52 | Lars_G | Llorean: Is there anyone here who shares Lear's knowledge of codecs? |
| 19:27:15 | markun | pixelma: thanks, with rockbox on it it's really a great player. |
| 19:27:16 | Llorean | Lars_G: Most of the codec knowledge is actually rather distributed depending on who did which work on what. |
| 19:27:31 | Llorean | Lars_G: For the MP4 container parsing, he's probably your best bet as far as I'm aware though. |
| 19:27:43 | Llorean | Slasheri: 80gb or 30gb? |
| 19:27:51 | Slasheri | Llorean: 30GB |
| 19:28:03 | Llorean | Slasheri: Ah, good. I seem to recall we have someone with an 80gb one looking to compare. |
| 19:28:11 | Slasheri | yep, i saw that too |
| 19:28:17 | jeffb | Slasheri, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 19:28:22 | Slasheri | jeffb :) |
| 19:28:22 | jeffb | wow that will be a big help to me |
| 19:28:27 | Lars_G | Llorean: Yes, the thing is, I have one m4b file that still fails to play (others from the same podcast do play) and instead of just sending him the file and saying "it no worky" i want to be productive and diagnose what's wrong, but I need a shove in the right direction at debugging demuxer and decoder |
| 19:28:27 | markun | Lars_G: is there a problem with the demuxer? |
| 19:28:50 | Lars_G | markun: What I just said, one file failing but I want to help and debug this myself. I just need a starter |
| 19:28:58 | Llorean | Lars_G: Have you taken something like MP4dump to it and compared it with the ones that do work? |
| 19:29:02 | Lars_G | for example is there a guide on using a compiled sim? I've never used it correctly. |
| 19:29:11 | Lars_G | Llorean: No. see? that's a good start. thanks. |
| 19:29:38 | jeffb | Slasheri, what I will do then is compare it to the firmware image in the 80gb with a byte for byte compare. |
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| 19:29:58 | Slasheri | jeffb: nice, i will dcc it to you soon |
| 19:30:01 | jeffb | cool |
| 19:30:16 | Soap | jeffb is getting all the DCC love today. |
| 19:30:26 | Lars_G | At least this is easier than trying to get the specs for m4a files... |
| 19:30:41 | jeffb | what is a m4a file? |
| 19:30:53 | Lars_G | jeffb: Just another extension name for an mpeg4 file. same thing |
| 19:30:57 | jeffb | ahh |
| 19:31:32 | Lars_G | m4a m4b, m4v are all just chapter 14 Mpeg4 container files, named by Apple to differentiate contents. but format is the same. |
| 19:31:40 | Lars_G | and m4p is the name they give DRMed Mpeg4 files. |
| 19:33:26 | jeffb | ah |
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| 19:35:07 | bagawk | jeffb: I have an 80gb iPod now also, ping me if you want something |
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| 19:35:23 | jeffb | bagawk, will do |
| 19:35:30 | jeffb | you guys rock |
| 19:35:32 | jeffb | :) |
| 19:36:49 | Slasheri | jeffb: but need to go now, back in 30min. |
| 19:36:57 | jeffb | sounds good |
| 19:37:05 | jeffb | I'll be here hacking away |
| 19:37:10 | Slasheri | great :) |
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| 19:50:56 | amiconn | dan_a: around? |
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| 19:55:44 | tehsmo | hmm ..I compiled rockbox and put it on my ipod with the 'make zip' method, but it it can't load any plugins ("incompatible model") or play any media ("codec failure") |
| 19:55:51 | tehsmo | any ideas? is there more I need to compile than what's included in 'make'? |
| 19:57:03 | Lars_G | sure you used the right build for your ipod's generation/model? |
| 19:57:22 | tehsmo | yeah |
| 19:57:27 | tehsmo | in retrospect, I have an idea though |
| 19:57:56 | * | tehsmo will try to unzip his compiled build on top of a daily build |
| 19:57:59 | tehsmo | should get whatever I missed |
| 19:59:02 | tehsmo | hmm. .nope, still get "incompatible model" |
| 19:59:22 | tehsmo | maybe I'll run the build process again |
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| 19:59:53 | tehsmo | I'll try a normal build instead of devel |
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| 20:02:10 | dan_a | amiconn: I am briefly |
| 20:02:46 | amiconn | dan_a: Did you run test_scanrate.rock on your G3? |
| 20:02:56 | amiconn | And if you did, what was the measured scanrate in Hz |
| 20:03:04 | * | amiconn doesn't remember, unfortunately |
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| 20:05:07 | dan_a | amiconn: I did, but I can't remember either, and I left my G3 behind when I came away (I'm on holiday for a week.) IIRC, it was similar to a G4, maybe slightly faster |
| 20:05:28 | amiconn | I'm not talking about test_fps |
| 20:05:46 | amiconn | I mean the internal lcd scanrate |
| 20:06:04 | amiconn | ...and I don't remember anyone running it on a G4 greyscale |
| 20:06:16 | dan_a | Sorry, I was getting confused. I didn't manage to get a value - I couldn't make it sync properly |
| 20:06:17 | * | amiconn wants to finally fix a fixme in the grayscale linb |
| 20:06:17 | amiconn | *lib |
| 20:06:43 | amiconn | Uh, hmm... |
| 20:06:52 | tehsmo | ah, I was being stupid |
| 20:06:55 | Slasheri | jeffb: got it :) |
| 20:06:57 | tehsmo | working now. :) |
| 20:06:59 | Slasheri | jeffb: i am going to send it now |
| 20:07:01 | amiconn | Could you try again when you have access to your G3? |
| 20:07:03 | jeffb | Slasheri, schweet |
| 20:07:09 | dan_a | amiconn: Will do |
| 20:07:15 | GodEater | Slasheri, could you send it to me too please ? |
| 20:07:33 | Slasheri | GodEater: ok, on its way :) |
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| 20:07:55 | jeffb | DCC RECV connect attempt to Slasheri failed (err=Connection timed out). |
| 20:08:02 | jeffb | firewall? |
| 20:08:12 | Slasheri | nope, dcc should work fine |
| 20:08:19 | Slasheri | hmm.. |
| 20:08:22 | Slasheri | GodEater: can you connect? |
| 20:08:36 | GodEater | no same problem as jeffb |
| 20:08:36 | Slasheri | ok, i will put it to web for a moment |
| 20:09:06 | Slasheri | http://ihme.org/~miipekk/romdump.raw |
| 20:09:19 | Slasheri | please tell me when you are done so i can remove it |
| 20:09:49 | jeffb | done |
| 20:10:00 | jeffb | gonna compare to 80gb flash now |
| 20:10:36 | GodEater | got it too |
| 20:10:38 | GodEater | thanks Slasheri |
| 20:10:42 | Slasheri | great :) |
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| 20:11:23 | jeffb | definately correct dump too... the vectors are at the front of the file |
| 20:12:14 | GodEater | which is good news |
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| 20:16:32 | GodEater | how are you planning on doing the compare jeffb ? Have you got something which will convert that dump into a char array or something ? |
| 20:16:37 | jeffb | yup |
| 20:16:45 | GodEater | gimme :) |
| 20:16:45 | jeffb | just loaded to ipod... |
| 20:16:53 | GodEater | ooh you're too fast :) |
| 20:16:58 | Lars_G | Is there a doc on using the sim? |
| 20:17:41 | jeffb | GodEater, it's called bin2h.c |
| 20:17:46 | jeffb | let me dcc it |
| 20:18:07 | pixelma | Lars_G: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 20:18:26 | Lars_G | Thanks pixelma |
| 20:19:01 | Llorean | Either of you mind zipping up both of the files and giving me a copy to poke at? I'm more just curious than anything else. |
| 20:20:07 | Lars_G | Hmmm audio is not handled but this should be good enoughç |
| 20:20:08 | GodEater | the dump and ? |
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| 20:20:16 | Llorean | GodEater: The two dumps. |
| 20:20:25 | GodEater | well there isn't a second dump |
| 20:20:31 | GodEater | we can't write it to disk remember ? |
| 20:20:35 | Llorean | Oh, right. |
| 20:20:40 | GodEater | we're comparing them in memory |
| 20:20:52 | Llorean | Sorry, a bit distracted. |
| 20:20:58 | GodEater | hehe it's ok |
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| 20:21:17 | amiconn | GodEater: What about the idea of dumping via audio? |
| 20:21:28 | GodEater | amiconn, beyond my meagre abilities I'm afraid |
| 20:21:49 | GodEater | if someone wants to try coding it up though - I'll happily run it and share the results |
| 20:22:07 | jeffb | damn my dcc is hosed |
| 20:22:09 | jeffb | GodEater, gonna email it |
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| 20:22:36 | GodEater | hmm - suspect mine will be too |
| 20:22:46 | GodEater | hydra doesn't do uPnP I think |
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| 20:23:13 | bagawk | DCC is not a very good protocol |
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| 20:24:05 | GodEater | jeffb, no problem |
| 20:24:45 | jeffb | sent |
| 20:24:50 | GodEater | thanks :) |
| 20:24:55 | Lars_G | Anyone got a list of keystrokes for iPod sims? or should I jsut read the source? |
| 20:25:23 | Llorean | There should be a background image .bmp that shows them superimposed on a picture of the ipod |
| 20:25:33 | jeffb | damn my ipod firmware didn' tload |
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| 20:27:15 | GodEater | does it handle little/big endian issues jeffb ? |
| 20:27:30 | jeffb | it does the comparison at the byte level |
| 20:27:44 | jeffb | so endianness shouldn't be an issue |
| 20:27:45 | jeffb | it's basically a modified ipodloader2 build |
| 20:27:45 | GodEater | duh - of course |
| 20:28:14 | Alanshpeal | hey, i have a slight problem, can somebody help? |
| 20:28:22 | nls_web | Lars_G: /,rockboxui −−background |
| 20:28:24 | Soap | only if you ask |
| 20:28:43 | jeffb | GodEater, you got the bin2h.c? |
| 20:28:49 | GodEater | I did yes |
| 20:28:51 | GodEater | compiled it already too |
| 20:28:56 | jeffb | cool |
| 20:29:08 | jeffb | I stole it from some compiler tarball |
| 20:29:08 | GodEater | useful |
| 20:29:09 | Alanshpeal | i have no idea how to get a theme onto rockbox on my ipod nano. i've scoured the manual and can't find anything |
| 20:29:26 | Soap | WPS |
| 20:29:31 | Soap | While Playing Screen |
| 20:30:11 | * | Lars_G bows to nls_web |
| 20:30:16 | pixelma | Lars_G: "Then type ./rockboxui or ./rockboxui −−background to run Uisimulator. The −−background switch displays a helpful image of the target selected in the configure stage." from the wiki ;) |
| 20:30:18 | Lars_G | nls_web: I'm gratefull |
| 20:30:32 | Lars_G | pixelma: Meh i missed it :D |
| 20:31:14 | GodEater | damn that's a big file once you've converted it to a char array! |
| 20:31:52 | tehsmo | ouch ..I should nice my rockbox build |
| 20:32:06 | tehsmo | the combination of it and a 1000-snowflake xsnow isn't good for performance ;) |
| 20:32:28 | jeffb | yes it is |
| 20:33:27 | nls_web | so, I synced the "disk poweroff patch" anyone want to test on a non h100/h300? |
| 20:33:32 | tehsmo | well, the xsnow is good for programmer morale, that's a form of performance I suppose |
| 20:33:33 | nls_web | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421 |
| 20:35:41 | GodEater | there's a lot of weird stuff in this dump |
| 20:35:54 | GodEater | some of which shows that either apple or PP employ dyslexic programmers |
| 20:36:12 | GodEater | "Create a command shurtcut" for example |
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| 20:36:51 | jeffb | heh |
| 20:36:57 | jeffb | there are other processors mentioned in it too |
| 20:37:05 | jeffb | 5002 |
| 20:37:18 | GodEater | yeah - there's a bunch of ipod models too |
| 20:37:32 | GodEater | I *think* the 80G is the "M25" according to this |
| 20:37:41 | GodEater | cos that's what I get reported in diagnostic mode |
| 20:38:38 | GodEater | oh yeah - they mention the PP5026 as well |
| 20:38:58 | GodEater | I didn't think there was any such beast yet |
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| 20:39:21 | jeffb | yeah I saw that too |
| 20:40:37 | GodEater | c:\buildtool\1.2\M25Firmware.proj\ :) |
| 20:41:13 | GodEater | good to know the apple devs work on windows :) |
| 20:41:36 | jeffb | hrm some bytes are different in the flash |
| 20:41:47 | jeffb | making sure it's not a code problem |
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| 20:42:10 | GodEater | there's some mention of other modes too |
| 20:42:18 | GodEater | retail mode, disk mode, and diag mode - which we know |
| 20:42:21 | jeffb | yup |
| 20:42:23 | GodEater | but there's a "scan mode" and "debugUI" mode too |
| 20:42:40 | jeffb | if you search for 0xc3000000 |
| 20:42:49 | jeffb | you'll be in the meat of the ata code |
| 20:43:04 | GodEater | I'll get to that in a mo :) |
| 20:43:11 | jeffb | :) |
| 20:44:28 | amiconn | [20:40:28] <GodEater> c:\buildtool\1.2\M25Firmware.proj\ <= ahahaha |
| 20:44:33 | * | amiconn didn't expect that |
| 20:45:48 | nls_web | is it a good idea to ask in the forum if anyone knowingly sets "disk poweroff" to off? |
| 20:46:25 | Llorean | nls_web: With the current status of buffering lossless formats, with disk poweroff enabled I actually have to slightly increase my anti-skip buffer for FLAC playback. |
| 20:46:47 | GodEater | makes me wonder if slasheri's firmware is up to date too |
| 20:47:00 | nls_web | Llorean: on h120? |
| 20:47:19 | Llorean | nls_web: Yep |
| 20:47:35 | Slasheri | GodEater: probably not.. i have never used itunes because i don't have windows/mac |
| 20:47:39 | nls_web | wow... |
| 20:47:39 | GodEater | now there's some mention of SMART in the diag code too |
| 20:47:47 | GodEater | Slasheri, fair enough :) |
| 20:47:49 | Soap | there's a non-glamourous (did I spell that right?) bug. The failure to account for bitrate in anti-skip buffer. |
| 20:48:01 | Llorean | nls_web: With the default anti-skip buffer, the compressed audio buffer empties during the power up, spin up, and seek. |
| 20:48:24 | Lars_G | Any idea why all the rocks (at least plugins) in the sim give me an: invalid ELF header |
| 20:49:00 | amiconn | Soap: The swcodec anti-skip buffer (and watermark) calculations are rather crappy imho |
| 20:49:23 | nls_web | Llorean: then the default anti skip buffer should be bigger, since I thing everyone agrees that the disk poweroff should at least default to on |
| 20:49:46 | amiconn | With vbr (i.e. flac and others) the only reliable bitrate for those calculations is the maximum bitrate (i.e. uncompressed in case of flac/wavpack/alac) |
| 20:50:26 | amiconn | nls_web: The default anti-skip buffer should be zero, and the low watermark calculated properly, imo |
| 20:50:31 | GodEater | has anybody noticed that they've left Firewire in the diagnostics even though there's no external connector anymore ? |
| 20:50:41 | Llorean | amiconn: Or actually knowing knowing how many seconds of audio remain in the compressed buffer, rather than just tracking how many bytes. |
| 20:51:18 | jeffb | I think a lot of that is just library code |
| 20:51:18 | * | Llorean agrees with amiconn re the zero-buffer and proper watermark. |
| 20:51:20 | amiconn | How would rockbox know that? |
| 20:51:25 | nls_web | amiconn: yes of course, I'm not very familiar with the playback system |
| 20:51:34 | amiconn | There is no way of knowing until the data is actually decoded |
| 20:51:42 | GodEater | jeffb, no I ran the diag mode earlier on my ipod |
| 20:51:47 | GodEater | it really asks you to connect to Firewire |
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| 20:52:36 | jeffb | right |
| 20:52:49 | jeffb | wow |
| 20:52:50 | jeffb | it does |
| 20:52:59 | amiconn | GodEater: Really? On G5.5? |
| 20:53:00 | GodEater | didn't believe me huh ? :) |
| 20:53:03 | GodEater | amiconn, yep |
| 20:53:17 | * | amiconn thought the G5 and nanos didn't support firewire |
| 20:53:17 | GodEater | well they don't |
| 20:53:22 | GodEater | there's nowhere to plug it in |
| 20:53:29 | GodEater | but they left the checks in the firmware diag mode |
| 20:53:34 | GodEater | which is annoying |
| 20:53:36 | GodEater | cos you can't complete the diag |
| 20:53:41 | GodEater | it gets stuck at the FW check |
| 20:53:58 | GodEater | that's bloody sloppy of apple if you ask me |
| 20:54:07 | amiconn | GodEater: Hmm, afaik the connector at the bottom is the same for all ipods |
| 20:54:21 | GodEater | oh you mean the dock connector is where you plug in FW usually ? |
| 20:54:35 | amiconn | So why shouldn't it be possible to connect a firewire cable |
| 20:54:36 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:54:43 | GodEater | I guess it must be |
| 20:54:45 | GodEater | I just don't have one |
| 20:54:55 | amiconn | That's what I think; i only have an USB cable |
| 20:55:22 | Llorean | Yeah, I believe it's the dock connector for firewire too |
| 20:55:35 | Lars_G | Newer iPods can use the FW cable for recharge only, not bus, afaik anyhow |
| 20:55:38 | Llorean | I know that non-firewire iPods can supposedly still charge on it. |
| 20:55:38 | * | amiconn wants to get a firewire cable and a charger in order to add proper firewire and charging-only detection |
| 20:55:38 | GodEater | ahha |
| 20:55:46 | GodEater | that makes sense Lars_G - it asks for FWPWR specifically |
| 20:55:50 | Llorean | It's possible firewire is just as far away as having support in the firmware. |
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| 20:56:10 | Lars_G | Llorean: Afaik, support is phisically out, gone. |
| 20:56:11 | amiconn | Llorean: Diskmode should support firewire, right? |
| 20:56:31 | amiconn | (on the older models of course) |
| 20:56:42 | leftright | i know this is offtopic, but does anyone here use a Nokia E70 ? |
| 20:56:46 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, on older models it does, people have installed Rockbox over firewire on the 4G I believe. |
| 20:56:58 | GodEater | interesting - there's mention of the FIQ that lostlogic was talking about earlier today |
| 20:57:03 | Lars_G | Yes i think 4G was the last one to have FW for a bus |
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| 20:57:11 | Llorean | I know there've been a few times where someone has said "My install didn't work right! Was it because I used firewire to copy over Rockbox?!" |
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| 20:57:20 | Lars_G | Which afaik is congruent with the change of CPUs at 5G |
| 20:58:13 | * | amiconn wonders whether the Mini G2 supports firewire |
| 20:58:31 | amiconn | Mini G1 is PP5020, same as the G4 |
| 20:58:53 | amiconn | But Mini G2 is PP5022; no other ipod uses that one |
| 20:59:46 | Lars_G | Any tips on my elves? |
| 20:59:54 | Lars_G | I'm tired of elves, and these ones are driving me mad |
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| 21:00:30 | Lars_G | Basically the nano-sim is throwing out: "invalid ELF header" on all rocks |
| 21:00:36 | Soap | FW is a great way to charge, it is easy to find 12 volt sources in real life. Harder to find 5 volt ones. |
| 21:01:16 | jeffb | now that I'm truncating the apple os part to 1 byte I can load builds faster |
| 21:01:20 | nls_web | Lars_G: are you using plugins compiled with the sim? |
| 21:01:42 | Lars_G | Soap: PSUs are a great source of +-12Vdc, +3Vdc and +-5Vdc |
| 21:01:46 | Lars_G | nls_web: Yes. |
| 21:02:20 | GodEater | heh |
| 21:02:31 | * | GodEater can see the apple firmware icons in the dump |
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| 21:03:04 | Soap | really makes you realize what an /amazing/ piece of work ipodwizard is! |
| 21:03:20 | Soap | ;) |
| 21:04:01 | GodEater | so are you still convinced you can see differences in the dumps jeffb? |
| 21:04:01 | nls_web | Lars_G: no idea :-( |
| 21:04:12 | jeffb | GodEater, not yet |
| 21:04:13 | jeffb | I think my code is wrong |
| 21:04:17 | Lars_G | thanks nls_web |
| 21:04:21 | GodEater | darn |
| 21:04:50 | * | nls_web adds the watermark calculation bug to the tracker so that it's not lost |
| 21:05:02 | Lars_G | what arch where the iPod's cpus? |
| 21:05:37 | GodEater | ARM |
| 21:05:44 | Lars_G | danke |
| 21:05:45 | GodEater | still are except for the 2nd gen Nano |
| 21:05:49 | sid | Is the only way to charge a 5g video ipod via usb? |
| 21:05:58 | Lars_G | I'll use objdump on them |
| 21:06:02 | lunacymaze | I confirm that the firewire connector is the same as the one for USB |
| 21:06:10 | sid | I didn't seem to get a way to charge it via ac power.(no cable was in the box) |
| 21:06:12 | sid | Or is it missing? |
| 21:06:22 | Llorean | It only comes with a USB cable. |
| 21:06:28 | GodEater | that's all you charge it with |
| 21:06:43 | GodEater | even the aftermarker AC adaptor just lets you plug the USB cable into it |
| 21:06:48 | lunacymaze | and that it is absolutely possible to put rockbox on an ipod via firewire |
| 21:06:57 | Lars_G | meh |
| 21:06:57 | Lars_G | arm-elf-objdump -f metronome.rock |
| 21:06:57 | Lars_G | arm-elf-objdump: metronome.rock: File format not recognised |
| 21:07:12 | Llorean | Lars_G: Why would the simulator use ARM code? |
| 21:07:26 | Lars_G | Llorean: doh... of course. |
| 21:07:49 | Lars_G | objdump -f metronome.rock |
| 21:07:49 | Lars_G | objdump: metronome.rock: File format not recognised |
| 21:07:51 | Lars_G | :P |
| 21:09:48 | lunacymaze | at the time of the 4G, apple was selling 2 models: one with firewire to use with macos and one with USB to use with windows |
| 21:10:09 | Lars_G | lunacymaze: But then at 5G they dropped the firewire as a connection bus. |
| 21:10:22 | lunacymaze | I've always used firewire with linux and rockbox on the ipod |
| 21:10:23 | Lars_G | they only preserve the +12Vdc line for charge, no more. afaik |
| 21:10:31 | Lars_G | Even on a 5G? |
| 21:10:59 | Soap | lunacymaze: there was only ever one model. Two cables, but one iPod. |
| 21:11:05 | Lars_G | Llorean: Anyhow these are not elf rocks, unless rocks have any layers over elf |
| 21:11:10 | lunacymaze | I don't know about what they did on the 5G |
| 21:11:12 | Lars_G | Soap: yup |
| 21:11:19 | nls_web | Llorean: if you want to add anything http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6479 |
| 21:11:24 | Lars_G | Soap: And one of two cursed FSes |
| 21:11:46 | sid | I have my 5g video ipod plugged into my Debian box via usb, and every so often(30 minutes?) the thing will beep several time and say "ok to disconnect" |
| 21:11:47 | lunacymaze | but you should be right since they have stopped selling them with firewire cables |
| 21:11:47 | Lars_G | Soap: Either use FAT32, flunkier but works in 3 platforms, or HFS+ and use it easily only on windows. |
| 21:11:54 | sid | But the battery isn't fully charged. |
| 21:12:42 | lunacymaze | Soap, yes but when you were buying it you had to choose |
| 21:13:22 | Soap | i was arguing semantics lunacymaze. They were not selling two models, they were selling two different buldled cables. |
| 21:13:27 | Soap | *bundled |
| 21:14:43 | Lars_G | Soap: And maybe the things came preformated though I doubt that |
| 21:14:47 | Lars_G | too many production line headaches |
| 21:15:04 | Lars_G | Why are my rocks deformed? |
| 21:15:17 | * | Lars_G throws the rocks at Soap |
| 21:15:37 | lunacymaze | yes the macos was formatted in HFS+ whereas the windows one was formatted in FAT32 |
| 21:16:01 | nls_web | Lars_G: works here, what are you using to compile, think gss 3.3 is recomended for sims |
| 21:16:19 | lunacymaze | so there were 2 different packages even if the hardware was the same |
| 21:16:34 | Lars_G | 3.3? hmmm ok |
| 21:16:51 | nls_web | gcc of course, and yes |
| 21:16:53 | Lars_G | lunacymaze: are you sure it was preformated rather than formated at connection time? |
| 21:16:59 | Lars_G | Let me check |
| 21:17:33 | Lars_G | sigh |
| 21:17:33 | Lars_G | 4.1 |
| 21:17:52 | karim | hey there is still no HFS+ drivers for linux ? |
| 21:17:53 | Lars_G | let me edit the makefile to change to 3.4 |
| 21:17:56 | Lars_G | amd try |
| 21:18:05 | Lars_G | karim: There are, but they're not perfect |
| 21:18:16 | nls_web | I'm not sure but I think that it should work |
| 21:18:27 | karim | Lars_G, HFS or HFS+ ? |
| 21:18:43 | Lars_G | karim: both. HFS+ is buggy sometimes |
| 21:19:11 | lunacymaze | Lars_G, I think so |
| 21:19:12 | karim | Lars_G, I experienced that already. |
| 21:19:29 | karim | Lars_G, I run linux on a mac dual boot OS X |
| 21:20:47 | Lars_G | karim: Haven't had some troubles with permissologies sometimes? |
| 21:21:12 | Lars_G | karim: btw do you use MOL? it works well? is it an intel mac? |
| 21:21:12 | karim | no |
| 21:21:39 | karim | Lars_G, it's a powermac sawtooth 350mhz |
| 21:21:39 | karim | ... |
| 21:21:47 | * | Lars_G nods |
| 21:21:55 | karim | what is noding ? |
| 21:22:47 | amiconn | nls_web: gcc 3.3 is old; sims should build on any gcc from 3.1.x through 4.1.x |
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| 21:23:12 | muesli- | karim move ur head up and down :) |
| 21:23:20 | Lars_G | Meh i have gcc 3.4 4.0 and 4.1 is there any way to tell configure to use 3.4 and compatible options? |
| 21:23:27 | nls_web | amiconn: oh I think I read it in the wiki somwhere |
| 21:24:04 | GodEater | Lars_G, use gentoo, and it's gcc-config :) |
| 21:24:15 | Lars_G | I'll try disabling ccache |
| 21:24:22 | Lars_G | GodEater: Nah thanks I use gentoo only for servers now |
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| 21:25:30 | nls_web | aah, the vmware image uses 3.3 for native compiles, I mixed it up with that |
| 21:26:17 | amiconn | Yeah, the vmware image is based on debian stable |
| 21:26:22 | amiconn | (aka debian outdated) |
| 21:26:42 | nls_web | heh :-) |
| 21:27:23 | * | nls_web is stuck with my parents windows machine over the holidays :-/ |
| 21:27:35 | * | amiconn is running testing on x86, and unstable on amd64 |
| 21:27:58 | Lars_G | amiconn: not realy, debian stable is not so outdated not that it's sarge |
| 21:28:15 | Lars_G | Anyhow lets see if dissabling ccache fixes my rocks |
| 21:28:20 | * | Lars_G throws more rocks around |
| 21:28:37 | GodEater | 4.1.1 doesn't appear to quite work with the sim |
| 21:28:39 | GodEater | I just built it |
| 21:28:49 | GodEater | and it loads - but never seems to get around to quite loading rockbox.ipod |
| 21:29:04 | nls_web | it shouldn't |
| 21:29:07 | GodEater | no ? |
| 21:29:26 | nls_web | rockboxui replaces rockbox.whatverer for the sim |
| 21:29:32 | GodEater | it's displaying the status bar at the top - but no browser |
| 21:29:37 | amiconn | It is a _simulator_, not an emulator |
| 21:29:41 | GodEater | ok |
| 21:29:43 | Lars_G | GodEater: it's displaying a browser |
| 21:29:47 | Llorean | GodEater: Do you have any folders in the /archos/ folder? |
| 21:29:51 | Lars_G | GodEater: but you have no song files installed.... |
| 21:29:54 | GodEater | ah no |
| 21:30:00 | GodEater | what are the buttons in the sim ? |
| 21:30:01 | Lars_G | GodEater: change the file show mode to show all files and you will see it. |
| 21:30:53 | nls_web | GodEater: use /.rockboxui −−background to see buttonmappings |
| 21:31:27 | GodEater | :) |
| 21:31:46 | Lars_G | nls_web: you keep inverting / and . :) |
| 21:32:07 | GodEater | are those all keypad buttons ? |
| 21:32:10 | * | GodEater is using a laptop |
| 21:32:28 | nls_web | Lars_G: too much windows lately :-) |
| 21:33:30 | GodEater | yeah - none of those keys do much |
| 21:33:40 | amiconn | GodEater: Some buttons are duplicated on standard keys, but not all |
| 21:33:41 | GodEater | although I could be asking a little much of cygwin's X server |
| 21:33:53 | GodEater | I'll actually have to get up and run it on my linux PC |
| 21:34:13 | amiconn | 2/4/6/8 is duplicated on the cursor keys |
| 21:34:58 | amiconn | 5 is duplicated on Space, and Num-. is duplcated on Ins |
| 21:36:14 | GodEater | it's the cygwin X server not playing nice |
| 21:36:22 | GodEater | the keys work fine on my actual linux box |
| 21:36:24 | GodEater | anyway |
| 21:36:30 | GodEater | I get the same as Lars_G |
| 21:36:41 | GodEater | all the rocks give invalid ELF header messages |
| 21:36:54 | tehsmo | hmm..when I run rockboxui I just get "no .rockbox directory" "installation incomplete" |
| 21:37:01 | tehsmo | I suspect I did soemthing silly when I built it |
| 21:37:13 | amiconn | tehsmo: sim? |
| 21:37:14 | GodEater | it looks for .rockbox in an archos sub directory |
| 21:37:19 | GodEater | for some reason |
| 21:37:28 | tehsmo | amiconn: yeah |
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| 21:37:37 | Lars_G | tehsmo: make zip and then unzip it in ./archos |
| 21:37:41 | tehsmo | ah, thanks |
| 21:37:41 | amiconn | 'make install' after 'make' will create the required structure |
| 21:38:05 | amiconn | Lars_G: 'make install' is 'make zip' and unzipping in one |
| 21:38:09 | | Part wibbix |
| 21:38:19 | amiconn | 'make fullzip' even, i.e. including fonts |
| 21:38:27 | tehsmo | sweet, thanks |
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| 21:39:19 | Lars_G | odd it didn't compile metronome.c |
| 21:39:30 | amiconn | metronome isn't supported on the sim |
| 21:39:46 | amiconn | metronome needs the user timer, and that's not simulated |
| 21:39:50 | GodEater | interesting |
| 21:39:56 | GodEater | having done the make install the rocks work now |
| 21:40:06 | GodEater | doing make zip and then unzipping gives the format error |
| 21:40:15 | amiconn | Uh? |
| 21:40:15 | GodEater | so they must be building different things |
| 21:40:20 | amiconn | nope |
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| 21:40:38 | GodEater | well I promise you that make zip and then unzipping it in archos didn't work :( |
| 21:40:51 | Lars_G | amiconn: JUST the app I am modifying, metronome. Ah well I'll debug by installing to dev |
| 21:40:51 | Lars_G | amiconn: lol, thanks |
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| 21:41:06 | amiconn | install: |
| 21:41:07 | amiconn | @echo "installing a full setup in your archos dir" |
| 21:41:07 | amiconn | @($(MAKE) fullzip && cd archos && unzip -oq ../rockbox-full.zip) |
| 21:41:15 | amiconn | ...from the Makefile |
| 21:41:30 | GodEater | and make fullzip calls make zip somewhere ? |
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| 21:42:09 | Lars_G | uh oh, i see a flame arising |
| 21:42:32 | amiconn | make fullzip and make zip are essentially the same, just that make fullzip also includes the fonts |
| 21:42:47 | Llorean | The difference between fullzip and zip should just be the fonts, right? |
| 21:42:52 | amiconn | Both are handled by buildzip.pl if you want to check |
| 21:42:55 | GodEater | well I'm confused then |
| 21:46:18 | jeffb | hrm |
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| 21:46:49 | GodEater | unexpected result from the compare ? |
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| 21:48:55 | jeffb | yeah |
| 21:48:55 | jeffb | it says over 300kb is not the same |
| 21:48:55 | jeffb | I don't believe i |
| 21:48:57 | jeffb | it |
| 21:49:06 | GodEater | that's a fair chunk =/ |
| 21:49:40 | amiconn | jeffb: Do you have some rom remapping code? |
| 21:49:46 | jeffb | yup |
| 21:49:52 | jeffb | flashrom? |
| 21:49:55 | amiconn | Afaiu, the ram remapping done by rockbox covers the rom |
| 21:49:59 | GodEater | are you still doing it in your ipl kernel ? |
| 21:50:13 | jeffb | yes |
| 21:50:13 | amiconn | ...so in order to dump it, the rom must be remapped as well |
| 21:50:14 | GodEater | try the RB kernel instead ? |
| 21:50:19 | jeffb | switching to the rockbox bootloader |
| 21:50:23 | tehsmo | hmm, I thought of an interesting feature; have the user be able to control the HD spinup/spindown |
| 21:50:52 | tehsmo | so the cache would fill up, you could exercise or whatever you want with it without worry, and then when the cache runs out it'll just stop playing and ask you to press a key to spin it up again |
| 21:51:30 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:51:45 | bagawk | what are you smoking? |
| 21:51:50 | bagawk | :) |
| 21:52:00 | maquis | my guess is that the cache is *way* too small for that |
| 21:52:03 | tehsmo | the idea being that you could jog with an HD mp3 player and not worry about the HD spinning up while you're jogging |
| 21:52:15 | tehsmo | maquis: the 60gb ipod has a 64mb cache; that's good for quite awhile with most codecs |
| 21:52:25 | maquis | tehsmo: interesting... |
| 21:52:30 | Lars_G | meh 64Mb should last 4 minutes in flac! |
| 21:52:44 | tehsmo | Lars_G: when you're exercising you don't need flac, though. :p |
| 21:52:44 | jeffb | GodEater, I'm actually not using the linux kernel, I'm using a the ipodloader2 bootloader code only. |
| 21:52:55 | jeffb | I'm getting rid of all the stuff not necessary not to do the compare. |
| 21:52:55 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:52:56 | Lars_G | But personally I wouldn't ever use an HDD DAp for jogging |
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| 21:53:13 | jeffb | basically the lcd driver will be left lol |
| 21:53:19 | GodEater | heh |
| 21:53:23 | tehsmo | ah. see, I'm too cheapy to buy a seperate mp3 player |
| 21:53:37 | tehsmo | s/cheapy/cheap/ |
| 21:53:45 | GodEater | the RB bootloader doesn't remap the flash image at all does it ? |
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| 21:54:26 | amiconn | GodEater: No, the bootloader doesn't remap any memory |
| 21:54:44 | amiconn | But main rockbox does, and for dumping via audio we hence need to remap the rom |
| 21:55:08 | GodEater | I'm still not planning on that personally |
| 21:55:19 | GodEater | not yet anyway |
| 21:55:28 | GodEater | was just going to try to confirm jeffb's findings |
| 21:56:25 | * | amiconn would expect such a comparison to be a lot simpler on the pc |
| 21:56:53 | GodEater | I'm sure it would too |
| 21:57:09 | GodEater | but I *still* have no idea where to start with dumping the rom image via audio |
| 21:57:30 | Lars_G | wow |
| 21:57:52 | Lars_G | dumpign via audio? cute |
| 21:58:00 | * | amiconn thinks dumping via audio should be rather straightforward |
| 21:58:10 | GodEater | well go ahead and gimme some code to do it then |
| 21:58:10 | amiconn | Just use some biphase code modulation |
| 21:58:25 | Lars_G | Reminds me of the times playing C64 tapes on the stereo :) |
| 21:58:49 | amiconn | Most of the work probably goes into writing the biphase decoder (running on the pc) |
| 21:59:01 | GodEater | that too |
| 21:59:07 | Lars_G | amiconn: Yes but at an audio DSP's frequency rates, it'd be a slow process |
| 21:59:29 | amiconn | Well, how often do we need to dump the ROM? |
| 21:59:38 | Lars_G | Meh not often, no |
| 21:59:38 | amiconn | (via audio, that is) |
| 21:59:47 | Lars_G | in fact |
| 21:59:48 | Lars_G | I can't think of a single time I'd like to. |
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| 21:59:53 | Lars_G | other than to annoy my friends. |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:06 | Lars_G | Altough I MUST admit i've been thinking about rockbox code to "generate" music |
| 22:00:11 | foreverblighted | hola |
| 22:00:13 | foreverblighted | hola |
| 22:00:19 | * | amiconn would expect a full dump to take 2..3 hours |
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| 22:00:38 | amiconn | 1MByte |
| 22:00:38 | GodEater | "biphase code modulation" gives me exactly four hits on google |
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| 22:00:48 | Lars_G | But my idea is other, to use predefined samples, plus rules for "nice sounding things" and mixing them at random |
| 22:01:22 | Lars_G | My musician SO can give me TONS of progressions and mixes that yield nice stuff, then it's just a matter of defining instruments or loops etc as main, solo or accompainment.... |
| 22:01:30 | Lars_G | and select stuff at random... it's an odd litte idea i have |
| 22:02:22 | Lars_G | Maybe base the sound generating engine off mikmod. |
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| 22:03:17 | Lars_G | Anyhow first I'll finish the small changes I want |
| 22:03:23 | Lars_G | like the change to the metronome plugin |
| 22:04:17 | GodEater | good god |
| 22:04:29 | GodEater | the maths on the wikipedia page for it makes my eyes bleed |
| 22:04:36 | GodEater | definitely for smoeone else to code up :) |
| 22:04:54 | Lars_G | hehehe |
| 22:05:13 | Lars_G | meh what was that page with a huge load of algorithms and data structures documented? |
| 22:05:45 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphase_Mark_Code |
| 22:05:50 | Lars_G | http://www.nist.gov/dads/ |
| 22:05:52 | Lars_G | found it |
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| 22:08:09 | GodEater | don't see an algorithm for it there |
| 22:09:08 | jeffb | I'm loading a build to my ipod that has a 11 meg payload on it... the last 1 meg is the flash... this way I can ensure that nothing is writing over it before the conmparison |
| 22:09:46 | tehsmo | so, are there any current thoughts on how to fix the bookmarks+database issue? |
| 22:09:46 | GodEater | good luck :) |
| 22:10:07 | tehsmo | I'm looking at making them work, but I'm not sure what the best way to handle them is |
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| 22:14:45 | RabidSnail | Does anybody know where I can find plugin api documentation? |
| 22:15:12 | tehsmo | there's some on the wiki |
| 22:15:52 | x1jmp | Does have some large file support? |
| 22:15:56 | RabidSnail | I'll look there again |
| 22:16:06 | tehsmo | which ..is a little slow at the moment? |
| 22:16:12 | x1jmp | I'm having problems accessing a 3.3Gib file |
| 22:16:21 | amiconn | x1jmp: What do you mean? |
| 22:16:34 | tehsmo | RabidSnail: when the wiki starts working again, check the docs index and then the development section |
| 22:16:38 | tehsmo | there's a page on writing plugins in there |
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| 22:16:42 | amiconn | FAT32 supports up to 4GB per file _in theory_, but better stay below 2GB |
| 22:16:48 | x1jmp | amiconn: it freezes, when it get's opened |
| 22:16:53 | amiconn | That's also the maximum rockbox supports |
| 22:17:47 | tehsmo | RabidSnail: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 22:17:51 | x1jmp | filesize is an unsigned long in fat.h though |
| 22:18:01 | RabidSnail | thanks tehsmo |
| 22:19:10 | x1jmp | amiconn: so the rockbox limit is 2 or 4 GiB? |
| 22:19:21 | amiconn | 2 |
| 22:19:31 | amiconn | ssize_t and off_t are both signed long |
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| 22:33:14 | jeffb | Slasheri, do you know what firmware you have loaded? |
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| 22:42:42 | sid | I'm at artists/album/genre etc menu, how do I get to the menu where I can see how much battery is being used? And to play chess |
| 22:43:21 | Llorean | sid: You've been directed to the manual before, I believe... |
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| 23:03:45 | sid | Llorean: hmm, the iPod doesn't seem to take a charge from the battery charger anymore. |
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| 23:05:19 | Llorean | sid: You mean when you charge it in the Apple software or disk mode it doesn't charge? |
| 23:06:07 | sid | Llorean: I have the usb cable plugged into the back of my desktop, and I have it plugged into the bottom of the 5g ipod video device. |
| 23:06:30 | sid | Llorean: What apple software? the proprietary apple os stuff? |
| 23:06:30 | Llorean | And I did not ask about the cable, but rather whether you were in the Apple firmware, Disk Mode, or Rockbox. |
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| 23:06:34 | Soap | Llorean: I'm a bit confused by the mailing list web page. I am currently subscribed to the digest, but want to switch to individual messages, do I simply need to "sign up again" to change settings? For I don't see a way to change. |
| 23:06:39 | sid | Llorean: I'm in rockbox. |
| 23:07:10 | Llorean | sid: And, as is said in several places, Rockbox currently cannot charge at full speed as we don't have full control over the USB hardware, so in many cases Rockbox will use more power than is being provided from the USB cable. |
| 23:07:33 | Llorean | Soap: I honestly don't know about the mailing list. Sorry. |
| 23:07:50 | sid | Llorean: How do I switch it to disk mode or appleos firmware?(which is better for charging?) |
| 23:07:51 | linuxstb | Lars_G: ALAC was the first audio codec in MP4 ported to Rockbox, and when I ported AAC, I just used the same demuxer. |
| 23:08:17 | sid | Soap: If it's mailman you go to the mailman page for it. |
| 23:08:21 | Llorean | sid: When you plug the USB cable in normally, it should reboot into disk mode if you don't hold menu down... |
| 23:09:35 | Lars_G | linuxstb: I see. thanks. |
| 23:10:13 | sid | Llorean: ok, So I just shutdown the device(got a low batter warning), now I just need to plug the device into the usb cable that is plugged into my desktop...and it will go into Diskmode and start to charge? |
| 23:10:53 | Llorean | sid: Seriously, you have to hold down the menu button to get Rockbox to charge without going into disk mode. How do you not know this if you've been trying to charge in-Rockbox |
| 23:10:57 | Llorean | You ARE using an official build, right? |
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| 23:11:20 | sid | no idea, I just grabbed links someone pasted in here last night |
| 23:11:28 | sid | It's a cvs one I think |
| 23:12:18 | linuxstb | sid: I normally just let Rockbox reboot into diskmode and charge from there. Works fine for me. |
| 23:12:49 | sid | When I hold menu while I plug it in, it tells me "ok to disconnect" and a big check |
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| 23:13:21 | sid | I'm confused, if I plug in the thing when it's off will it start to charge? |
| 23:13:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: It took 15 minutes longer going from 4.08v to 3.65v with the newest coprocessor patch. |
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| 23:13:52 | Llorean | sid: If you see that screen with the check mark, you're in disk mode, and it will charge. |
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| 23:14:51 | sid | How long does it take to get fully charged? |
| 23:15:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is that with the codec thread running on the COP? (and do we know that for sure now?) |
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| 23:15:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: Lostlogic is fairly confident the codec thread was running on the COP at least. |
| 23:15:18 | sid | I had it plugged in for a few hours today, and it didn't seem to take a charge. because the battery is dead now. |
| 23:15:27 | Llorean | sid: You also said it was charging in Rockbox. |
| 23:16:15 | sid | When I plug it in, I see rockbox start, then a usb cable end, then a faded static battery with a lighting bolt on the left of it. |
| 23:16:59 | sid | And every 30 minutes..the thing will beep a few times..and say "ok to disconnect" with a big check(not sure why it's doing this, but 30 or so minutes from now it will do this) |
| 23:17:43 | Llorean | sid: Try booting into the apple firmware then. |
| 23:18:08 | SimonSelki | Hey, I heard someone say that rockbox could view PDF files.... this is false, right? I mean.... right? |
| 23:18:37 | sid | How do I boot into the apple firmware? |
| 23:18:42 | Llorean | SimonSelki: It is untrue. |
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| 23:18:43 | linuxstb | SimonSelki: Yes, that's false. |
| 23:18:58 | Llorean | sid: Immediately after turning the iPod on, turn on the hold switch. |
| 23:19:04 | sid | You could just convert the pdfs to jpeg/ascii before hand. |
| 23:19:10 | sid | There are free tools for GNU/Linux to do this I know. |
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| 23:20:21 | sid | Loading original firmware... |
| 23:21:33 | sid | k, I see the apple firmware, and it's faded in the background while it's plugged in. I guess it's charging. |
| 23:22:06 | Soap | <Llorean> linuxstb: It took 15 minutes longer going from 4.08v to 3.65v with the newest coprocessor patch. |
| 23:22:24 | Soap | 15 minutes longer than the previous 12 minutes better for a net of 27? |
| 23:22:35 | Llorean | sid: If it doesn't charge like that (and guessing from your strangeness with the every 30 minutes thing, it might not) you might have something wrong with your cable or USB on the PC |
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| 23:22:49 | Llorean | Soap: The 15 was rounding. I'm referring to the 12 |
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| 23:23:08 | Llorean | Soap: The total time difference on a full charge though, was about 26 |
| 23:23:33 | Soap | and is that with something running on the COP, or just the COP activated? |
| 23:23:42 | Llorean | Soap: That's with the codec thread running on the COP |
| 23:24:37 | Soap | and the leading theory for why running threads on both has an _increase_ in runtime? |
| 23:25:48 | Llorean | 3:35:12 with codec on the coprocessor, 3:20:11 with the coprocessor active but only the kernel on it, and 3:25:07 without the coprocessor active at all (unpatched rockbox) for exact numbers. |
| 23:26:26 | Llorean | Soap: We don't need to boost as often, and we probably were wasting power on the coprocessor even when we weren't using it in the past. |
| 23:27:13 | jeffb | I'm convinced the 30gb firmware is massively different |
| 23:27:16 | jeffb | from the 80gb |
| 23:28:09 | Soap | oscams razor says they aren't. |
| 23:28:20 | jeffb | heh |
| 23:29:19 | jeffb | I just did a byte for byte compare and verified nothing wrote over the payload... and I'm still seening a difference of 300kb |
| 23:29:28 | jeffb | *seeing |
| 23:29:49 | Llorean | jeffb: But that difference could just be a slight offset, for example if one section is slightly longer in one than the other, and then all code past that section is identical but offset. |
| 23:30:08 | jeffb | yup |
| 23:30:22 | Llorean | So, instead of massively different, they could be 1 byte different, 300kb from the end. :-P |
| 23:31:30 | linuxstb | jeffb: If they are different versions, then I'm not surprised... |
| 23:31:38 | SimonSelki | Anyone involved in the creation of rockbox: Allowing people to use the original firmware is one of the greatest things about rockbox, You people are geniuses and deserve money. |
| 23:31:41 | tehsmo | you could use diff to see if they're massively different or not |
| 23:32:03 | tehsmo | I think it generally accounts for offsets like that |
| 23:32:04 | * | linuxstb points SimonSelki to the paypal link on the Rockbox home page |
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| 23:32:29 | Llorean | tehsmo: We can't dump one of them to file, so right now all comparisons are done on the 80gb device. |
| 23:32:38 | tehsmo | ah, no fun |
| 23:32:50 | SimonSelki | Oh I saw it. |
| 23:33:12 | SimonSelki | I'll be forking out cash as my paychecks start comming in |
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| 23:44:00 | linuxstb | jeffb: I think this page is where itunes downloads the firmware upgrades from: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/com.apple.jingle.appserver.client.MZITunesClientCheck/version |
| 23:45:07 | linuxstb | jeffb: I'm not sure which files are for which devices, but if there is only one "5g" firmware, then I think that should confirm the 30GB and 80GB flash contents are the same. |
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| 23:50:07 | sid | Is there anyway to have rockbox look very similar to the proprietary iPod(apple_os) main_menu/theme.(without actually using it) ie "extras" would have chess/sudoku etc |
| 23:51:07 | linuxstb | sid: Use the source... |
| 23:51:09 | Lars_G | not without recoding the UI |
| 23:51:33 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Yup that's what I love of rockbox. on iPod's original I had stuff I missed or didn't like. but couldn't do anything about it. |
| 23:51:42 | Lars_G | Now, I have the power, THE POWER!!! |
| 23:52:05 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Though I admit i heard about a change in the UI structure and I'm waiting to see it before doing anything Ui wise :) |
| 23:52:31 | sid | Can I re-arrange the menu system? |
| 23:52:37 | sid | So it shows as iPod's does? |
| 23:53:28 | Lars_G | yes, by rewriting code. |
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| 23:54:14 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Did you code the flac codec too? |
| 23:56:21 | sid | http://money.cnn.com/blogs/legalpad/index.html?section=money_topstories |
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| 23:59:03 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Yes, both of them... |
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