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| 00:01:28 | linuxstb | 1) Rockbox has no support for ELF; 2) Rockbox hasn't borrowed anything from Linux (except the low-level ipod hardware drivers from IPL); 3) ffmpeg is a nightmare to port to Rockbox due to it's monolithic nature; 4) Rockbox implements a lot of POSIX. |
| 00:02:09 | Lars_G | Hmm. |
| 00:02:24 | Lars_G | Ok |
| 00:02:35 | Lars_G | so final .rock files are not linked to ELF format... |
| 00:02:35 | linuxstb | I mean codecs from ffmpeg are a nightmare to extract out of ffmpeg (at least for me...) |
| 00:03:13 | linuxstb | No, .rock files are pre-linked binary globs with (I believe) a small Rockbox-specific header. |
| 00:04:38 | Lars_G | ok |
| 00:05:09 | Lars_G | I should really read some rockbox kernel soon |
| 00:06:45 | linuxstb | There's hardly anything to read... |
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| 00:07:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, and the header is just 20 bytes. |
| 00:08:58 | amiconn | One id specifying the type (plugin or codec), the target id (soon to be replaced with the 4-letter id), the plugin api version, the load address, end address, and entry point |
| 00:09:39 | amiconn | The load address is there just for comparison, to avoid loading a plugin to an address it wasn't linked for |
| 00:10:54 | amiconn | The end address includes the bss, so that the binary doesn't need to contain it |
| 00:11:36 | * | Lars_G nods |
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| 00:13:56 | jeffb | linuxstb, sorry had to take a friend somewhere |
| 00:18:46 | sid | Llorean: It's been an hour with it plugged in, and it still doesn't seem to take a charge. |
| 00:19:06 | sid | But the proprietary firmware seems to stay up and doesn't turn off. |
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| 00:19:59 | Lars_G | amiconn: Is linuxstb dry, or is it my impression? |
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| 00:28:48 | ydo | my ipod nano hangs when I try to play anything |
| 00:29:07 | tical2k | thats great.... somebody stole my ipod.... |
| 00:29:15 | tical2k | are you sure you installed rockbox right? |
| 00:29:17 | ydo | only thing I've done is renaming the directory I have music in.. |
| 00:29:25 | ydo | worked now for 3 days |
| 00:29:32 | tical2k | interesting... |
| 00:29:36 | Llorean | ydo: And are you playing the music from database or filetree? |
| 00:29:41 | ydo | filetree |
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| 00:31:46 | ydo | just my luck, added some chill music and on the way to bed.. |
| 00:31:53 | tical2k | it could be worse |
| 00:31:54 | tical2k | haha |
| 00:32:03 | tical2k | somebody could have stolen your ipod :-P |
| 00:32:11 | tical2k | 5g video... had it for a year |
| 00:32:15 | piquadrat | I have a little question concerning the iAudio X5: is it possible to prevent the player from loading the battery while Rockbox is running? |
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| 00:32:31 | tical2k | my dad decides to borrow my car.... leaves it unocked.... bam gone |
| 00:32:35 | spug | what's the "run time screen"? |
| 00:32:50 | ydo | tical2k: any insurance? |
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| 00:33:09 | tical2k | you see.... the car was left unlocked... i doubt insurance would cover that |
| 00:33:18 | ydo | damn |
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| 00:33:39 | ydo | haha! |
| 00:33:40 | tical2k | yeah this is on top of cracking my head open playing basketball on christmas.... 5 stitches... |
| 00:33:41 | ydo | found the bug! |
| 00:33:50 | tical2k | lets just say its been the best christmas ever :-/ |
| 00:33:51 | tical2k | haha |
| 00:34:01 | ydo | had a suspicion |
| 00:34:11 | tical2k | what was it? |
| 00:34:23 | ydo | any developer here to remember it? |
| 00:34:48 | sid | I tried two different computers and my 5g video ipod doesn't seem to be able to take a charge. |
| 00:34:50 | dpassen1 | They can always view it in the log. |
| 00:35:06 | spug | post it on flyspray |
| 00:35:09 | spug | and refer to the log |
| 00:35:12 | sid | Is this thing a brick? |
| 00:35:12 | spug | i guess |
| 00:35:26 | tehsmo | sid: can it take a charge from the original apple firmware? |
| 00:35:34 | sid | it wouldn't take a charge in the proprietary firmware, or rockbox |
| 00:35:36 | tehsmo | hmm |
| 00:35:42 | sid | tehsmo: no |
| 00:35:52 | sid | And the usb port works, because I transfered music with it yesterday |
| 00:36:12 | ydo | tical2k: I've been renaming a directory and had the option "resume on startup" enabled, must have something to do with that, cause I rebooted 4 times and changed songs, and when I played that other song it hang.. so I disabled that option and suddenly I could play songs again.. |
| 00:36:26 | tical2k | ahhh |
| 00:36:37 | tical2k | yeah... sounds like a problem |
| 00:36:39 | Lars_G | Hmm.... |
| 00:36:53 | sid | tehsmo: You think it's a brick? or maybe bad cable? |
| 00:37:01 | Lars_G | sad rockbox uses OF for usb connection |
| 00:37:15 | ydo | I'll post the bug tomorrow, need my sleep |
| 00:37:18 | tehsmo | sid: could be either, bad cable is perhaps more likely |
| 00:37:25 | Lars_G | Otherwise we could code a phone-home system on rockbox for cases like tical2k's |
| 00:37:40 | tical2k | heh yeah that be awesome |
| 00:37:56 | sid | tehsmo: It's brand new, I opened the box yesterday. |
| 00:38:03 | tehsmo | ah |
| 00:38:07 | Lars_G | Worse it, the guy all needs to do is upgrade it on any machine to be doen with rockbox. |
| 00:38:26 | tehsmo | then in either case you could just rma it |
| 00:38:36 | sid | tehsmo: Even if I put rockbox on it? |
| 00:38:44 | ydo | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6215 there it is.. I'm using daily Dec 22 I think |
| 00:38:44 | Lars_G | When my Ipaq was robbed at gunpoint from me, i had the dream that I could find the only Ipaq being sold on my country with Linux on it instead of WinCE, but I never found it anyhow |
| 00:38:56 | Lars_G | ?? |
| 00:39:01 | Lars_G | rockbox can't brick an iPod |
| 00:39:11 | tical2k | its a shame apple doesnt seem to care... i mean i registered my ipod... and obviously they can see the serial number |
| 00:39:18 | Soap | sid: are you familiar with the bathtub curve that hardware failures follow? |
| 00:39:22 | tical2k | but they wont do anything about it |
| 00:39:28 | sid | Soap: no |
| 00:39:33 | Lars_G | Worst case scenario, can't you boot the iPod in disk mode and install the OF back to it |
| 00:39:45 | tehsmo | sid: you can always use itunes to restore it if you're worried about apple not liking the rockbox |
| 00:40:05 | Lars_G | tical2k: Dude, sorry to say so, but do you have any idea of the size of the logistics required in following every stolen ipod? |
| 00:40:05 | sid | tehsmo: Not if the battery is dead... |
| 00:40:07 | tehsmo | oh yeah |
| 00:40:09 | tical2k | yeah :-) |
| 00:40:19 | tical2k | i mean... cell phone companies do it though |
| 00:40:23 | Lars_G | sid: tell me something, when you hook it, the thing keeps starting and rebooting constantly? |
| 00:40:38 | Soap | sid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve |
| 00:40:53 | Lars_G | tical2k: Cell phone companies can just enter an imei number in their database, and make it blocked in all their network in minutes |
| 00:41:02 | sid | Lars_G: no, I hook it up...and it just doesn't seem to take a charge. in rockbox or apple_os, it doesn't reboot constantly. |
| 00:41:02 | Soap | Not that I have been following your plight, sid, but "just out of the box" = high failure rate, not low as you were arguing. |
| 00:41:12 | Lars_G | sid: Yup then it's possibly damaged. |
| 00:41:29 | sid | In rockbox when I plug it in, I get a picture of a usb cable end, then I get a faded battery with a lighnining bolt on it..but it doesn't work. |
| 00:41:49 | Lars_G | sid: I asked because sometimes when battery goes critically low, I've seen ipods start and reboot constantly when hooked, not recharching. in these cases you need to force it shut or restart it,... if I remember wel |
| 00:42:45 | Lars_G | Soap: Not really in this case it would be a high failure rate if the ammount of units that present the failure out of the box or latter are a sizeable percentage of the production. |
| 00:42:45 | sid | Is it heard of to buy a new iPod that doesn't take a charge? |
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| 00:43:25 | Soap | Lars_G: Not what I was arguing. I was simply stating that brand new hardware has a higher failure rate than month old hardware. |
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| 00:43:48 | DanielFaulknor | there anyone here that is running rockbox on a 5th gen 30gb ipod? |
| 00:43:57 | Genre9mp3 | Is Doom Plugin playable on H10? anyone know? |
| 00:44:01 | Lars_G | Soap: Except for dual usb iBook G3's ;) |
| 00:44:12 | Genre9mp3 | I guess it is I just want to be sure |
| 00:44:14 | Lars_G | DanielFaulknor: I am running it on a 1G nano.... |
| 00:44:25 | Soap | Lars_G: read the link. |
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| 00:44:37 | sid | If I talk to an apple representative...will they tell me they won't give me a new one because I put rockbox on it? |
| 00:44:37 | Lars_G | Genre9mp3: Afaik if it wont run, then the makefile won't include it |
| 00:44:44 | DanielFaulknor | Lars_G: wanted to talk to someone that runs it on the gen5 30gb, cause im looking to buy one |
| 00:44:48 | Soap | sid: not if you remove rockbox and keep silent. |
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| 00:44:58 | Soap | DanielFaulknor: I have a 60GB |
| 00:45:07 | Lars_G | DanielFaulknor: tical2k had a 5G but not anymore |
| 00:45:07 | sid | Soap: But the battery is dead, how can I do that? |
| 00:45:16 | Soap | oh sid. |
| 00:45:24 | tical2k | haha yeah |
| 00:45:26 | sid | If I'm in the middle of the dd command and it shuts off..heh then it will be a brick |
| 00:45:29 | Soap | Ok sid, how long have you left it alone on charge? |
| 00:45:34 | tical2k | rockbox on the 5g runs great |
| 00:45:44 | DanielFaulknor | thats all i wanted to hear :) |
| 00:45:47 | Lars_G | sid: Nah ipods don't brick, afaik (correct me if I'm wrong room) |
| 00:46:07 | tical2k | sometimes when searching for a song when playing it'll pause for a little bit |
| 00:46:07 | sid | Soap: I left it an hour on charge in apple_os just a little while ago. |
| 00:46:07 | tical2k | but... thats the only snag i've run into |
| 00:46:07 | linuxstb | sid: It will only be a brick if it powers-off part-way through updating the flash. Which Rockbox doesn't do. |
| 00:46:07 | sid | On a usb port I used to transfer music to the thing last night. |
| 00:46:07 | Soap | then leave it alone for 5 hours. |
| 00:46:07 | Soap | sid\ |
| 00:46:07 | Soap | then we will talk options. |
| 00:46:07 | DanielFaulknor | tical2k: you have one? |
| 00:46:07 | Lars_G | sid: Since the rom bootloader is enough to start disk mode. from which the apple bootloader and OF can be installed |
| 00:46:11 | tical2k | oh! and pacman is awesome :-) |
| 00:46:17 | tical2k | up until...... today |
| 00:46:18 | tical2k | yeah |
| 00:46:18 | Genre9mp3 | Lars_G: ...or compile it but returning error on target... but anyways since it's a PP target I bet it works fine, just want to be sure before replying to a post |
| 00:46:20 | Soap | sid, plug it in, and walk out of the room. |
| 00:46:27 | tical2k | for about a year i ran rockbox on it |
| 00:46:29 | Soap | sid: and I'll see you in five hours. |
| 00:46:30 | sid | Soap: It's off...just plug it in now? |
| 00:46:38 | DanielFaulknor | tical2k: no problems apart from the pausing? |
| 00:46:40 | Soap | plug it in, chill, wait 5 hours. |
| 00:46:48 | tical2k | nope |
| 00:46:48 | Lars_G | sid: And, plug it in to the computer directly. Not am USB hub |
| 00:46:50 | sid | Soap: I don't need to try to turn it on or anything? |
| 00:46:53 | DanielFaulknor | tical2k: im sold then :) ipod here i come... |
| 00:47:06 | sid | Lars_G: yea, I'm plugging it into a usb port directly connected to the motherboard. |
| 00:47:10 | tical2k | and pausing, like i said was only when looking for a song when i was playing a song and didnt happen all the time |
| 00:47:13 | Soap | sid: plug it into a POWERED USB port, chill, see you in 5. |
| 00:47:22 | sid | k |
| 00:47:22 | Lars_G | tical2k: Sorry to make fun of it dude, i know it sucks, I've lived thorough it. but I'm trying to help you get over it. |
| 00:47:28 | Soap | don't assume your port is powered, verify. |
| 00:47:40 | tical2k | nah its no big deal... im gonna get another one... i think |
| 00:47:46 | tical2k | and i got my music backed up |
| 00:47:48 | DanielFaulknor | tical2k: thanks :) i can live with a bit of pausing... playlists are always good |
| 00:47:50 | Soap | DanielFaulknor: 50% of apple battery life on the iPods! |
| 00:47:51 | tical2k | just... sucks is all |
| 00:47:53 | Lars_G | tical2k: :) good luck dude. :) |
| 00:48:11 | sid | It was off, I plugged it in..I see a faded battery with a lightning rod on it. I'll see you guys in 5 hours |
| 00:48:13 | Lars_G | Btw rockbox's playlist rules 10000 fold over OF's |
| 00:48:13 | sid | peace |
| 00:48:19 | Lars_G | peace sid |
| 00:48:33 | tical2k | ive been using rockbox since i had an archos fm recorder! haha |
| 00:48:33 | DanielFaulknor | Soap: im never going to need 14 hours anyway, 7 hours is loads when im getting a wall adaptor + car charger |
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| 00:50:11 | linuxstb | sid: Leave the hold switch turned on - just in case it decides to reboot, to ensure it goes back to the Apple firmware, not Rockbox. |
| 00:50:18 | Soap | DanielFaulknor: the 5G barely charges while running rockbox. Charging while playing music is iffy. |
| 00:50:28 | tical2k | hummm |
| 00:50:29 | Soap | good call linuxstb. |
| 00:50:50 | tical2k | i never had a problem with it charging with a car charger while playing songs... |
| 00:50:51 | Lars_G | Soap: What is the source of the lower battery life? |
| 00:51:05 | Soap | Lars_G: answer that and you will make thousands of happy people. |
| 00:51:21 | Lars_G | hehehe |
| 00:51:31 | DanielFaulknor | Soap: iffy? so could it kill my ipod? |
| 00:51:31 | Lars_G | I might, but I don't have the tools and time right now |
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| 00:51:40 | Soap | no, it might still consume more than it charges. |
| 00:52:07 | DanielFaulknor | but if im in the car, i could use the charger to keep the battery constant? |
| 00:52:12 | DanielFaulknor | (like on trips) |
| 00:52:19 | Soap | hopefully. |
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| 00:54:14 | Lars_G | Soap: It shouldn't be rock sience either. |
| 00:54:34 | Lars_G | Soap: Hook the same ipod during use for a LONG period to a good LA using both OF and rockbox. |
| 00:54:48 | Lars_G | and analyze differences. not in protocol itself but in bus use, cpu use, etc |
| 00:54:57 | Lars_G | eventually the problem should be pinpointed. |
| 00:55:18 | linuxstb | That probably won't tell you what's going on inside the portalplayer chip itself though. |
| 00:55:25 | Soap | unless the problem is contained completely within the PortaPlayer "system on a chip" |
| 00:55:33 | Soap | dag nab it |
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| 00:55:39 | Lars_G | Yes if it's contained entirely there it's much much harder. |
| 00:55:40 | linuxstb | :) |
| 00:56:00 | Soap | Lars_G: unless you are offering to etch the casing off your PP chip? |
| 00:56:11 | Lars_G | Soap: not really needed. |
| 00:56:20 | Soader03 | Hum, sorry, where is the irc channel for gigabeat? |
| 00:56:31 | markun | try #gigabeat |
| 00:56:37 | Soader03 | ok thanks |
| 00:56:43 | Soap | #gigabeat would be official, shouldn't it be ##gigabeat? |
| 00:56:54 | scorche | technically, yes |
| 00:56:54 | markun | don't know |
| 00:57:04 | Lars_G | Soap: if it's ENTIRELY contained inside the PortalPlayer IC, then I would think it safe to assume it comes from different behaviour, different behaviour with the same data (mp3s) on the chip means different configuration/initialization of the chip |
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| 00:57:15 | Lars_G | then it's a matter of rev-enging the initialization process OF uses |
| 00:57:37 | Lars_G | Which is easier said than done. but doable |
| 00:57:41 | Soap | Lars_G: I'm serious when I say "If you have a solid plan for pinpointing excessive power draw, submit it to a wiki page for peer review, and I'll fund it assuming others think it has a chance." |
| 00:58:02 | Lars_G | I will think about it. |
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| 00:59:57 | spug | any cvs-ers here who can upload an updated language file, or do i have to prod the mailing list? |
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| 01:03:19 | Soader03 | It's normal that I can't change the channel??? |
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| 01:03:30 | pixie | Uhm, when I plug my iPod into a wall socket charger thingie, it reboots like crazy |
| 01:05:37 | Lars_G | pixie: Possibly too low battery, I've seen it before. |
| 01:05:57 | Lars_G | there was a way to stop it |
| 01:06:02 | Soader03 | don't answer me all at the same time, huh? just kidding |
| 01:06:19 | Lars_G | I dont' rememeber if it was to reset (menu+select) or shut down (leave play pressed) |
| 01:06:43 | pixie | Like shut down while its plugged in? |
| 01:07:01 | linuxstb | pixie: Yes, Rockbox currently can't detect the difference between a USB connection to a computer, and a USB connection to a wall charger. So in both cases it will reboot to disk mode. Disk mode will see there is no computer, and reboot to Rockbox.... |
| 01:07:29 | pixie | linuxstb: Is there a way to deal with that? |
| 01:08:19 | spug | any developers here? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6480 |
| 01:08:21 | linuxstb | Either hold MENU as you insert the cable in Rockbox, or turn the hold switch on and reboot to the Apple firmware (assuming you're using the newest bootloader). |
| 01:09:24 | linuxstb | Soader03: The www.rockbox.org web IRC client can only connect to #rockbox, if that's what you're asking. |
| 01:09:37 | pixie | linuxstb: Cool, holding MENU seemed to do the trick. Thanks. |
| 01:10:09 | SimonSelki | anyone here familiar with replacing Nano batteries? |
| 01:10:15 | Soader03 | linuxstb: yes, ok so... where can be connected to #gigabeat? |
| 01:10:32 | scorche | Soader03: can you not use a regular client? |
| 01:10:58 | Soader03 | scorche: i'm in a web client |
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| 01:11:21 | scorche | i know that....i am asking if you cant use a regular client for some reason |
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| 01:11:44 | Soader03 | never tried |
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| 01:15:58 | Nimdae | i'm glad my ipod wall charger uses firewire instead of usb |
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| 01:17:21 | Mouser_X | Dumb question, I'm sure, but Rockbox will run on the H20, right? |
| 01:17:25 | Mouser_X | Or, is there multiple iterations/versions of the H20? |
| 01:17:30 | Mouser_X | (I don't know if it got through.) |
| 01:18:44 | Nimdae | hmmm |
| 01:19:04 | Nimdae | i don't see the H20 listed |
| 01:19:32 | Mouser_X | Dang. |
| 01:19:50 | Nimdae | it's iriver? |
| 01:20:09 | Mouser_X | I don't know. I'm searching for deals on cheap portable players. |
| 01:20:28 | Nimdae | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
| 01:20:46 | Mouser_X | My prefered price range is $100-$150 (I may go higher, depending), with 30 GB of storage, and runs Rockbox. |
| 01:20:53 | linuxstb | Is the H20 just another name for the 20GB H10, or is it a different player completely? |
| 01:21:29 | Mouser_X | The link I found mentioned the H20, but it wasn't for the H20, so I don't know... |
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| 01:23:24 | SimonSelki | So.... Anyone familiar with installing batteries on the iPod Nano? |
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| 01:23:51 | Mouser_X | Would anyone be willing to check out this link, and tell me what they think? |
| 01:24:03 | Mouser_X | http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Control/fp/user/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/31947/vpid/2687152/vpcsid/0/rid/123209 |
| 01:24:07 | Mouser_X | (It's the cheapest I've seen...) |
| 01:25:12 | linuxstb | "The screen is intact and viewable, albeit with some difficulty.".... |
| 01:25:26 | Mouser_X | I didn't see that... |
| 01:26:31 | Mouser_X | Ah... I think I'll need to look elsewhere. |
| 01:26:51 | Mouser_X | I'm glad you're more obeservant than I... |
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| 01:35:13 | topbloke | hey is the battery life much worse on 5.5g ipods with rockbox? |
| 01:36:00 | Soap | 50-55% of stock topbloke. |
| 01:36:07 | Soap | maybe 60% in a day or two. |
| 01:36:14 | topbloke | ok im debating installing it righ now |
| 01:36:21 | * | Soap is giddy at the idea. |
| 01:36:25 | topbloke | what do u think? |
| 01:36:37 | Soap | why do you want Rockbox, topbloke? |
| 01:36:49 | topbloke | i used it on my archos and it ruled |
| 01:36:59 | topbloke | and i like to have folders without itunes |
| 01:37:22 | crwl | ¨ |
| 01:37:28 | crwl | oops. |
| 01:38:05 | Soap | topbloke: what model do you have? |
| 01:38:17 | Soap | nvm, 30GB |
| 01:38:27 | topbloke | yeah 30 |
| 01:38:35 | topbloke | but how did you know |
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| 01:38:47 | scorche | he is our local psychic |
| 01:38:53 | topbloke | weird |
| 01:39:02 | scorche | it is actually useful |
| 01:39:13 | spug | rockbox supports the 5.5G now? i must've missed that :| |
| 01:39:17 | Mouser_X | It helps out on tech support. |
| 01:39:35 | scorche | dont forget figuring out those undocumented chips |
| 01:39:36 | Mouser_X | Especially when the people aren't very clear as to what the problem is... |
| 01:39:40 | spug | the 80GB still isn't supported? |
| 01:39:43 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 01:39:51 | Soap | correct spug |
| 01:40:06 | spug | ok |
| 01:40:06 | spug | cool |
| 01:40:12 | topbloke | is there a html browser for rockbox |
| 01:43:00 | Mouser_X | There's a Wikipedia viewer. |
| 01:43:21 | Mouser_X | Though, that's probably not what you'er looking for. |
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| 01:43:43 | topbloke | looks like its up to me to write one |
| 01:43:49 | topbloke | :p |
| 01:43:58 | Nimdae | do it :P |
| 01:44:18 | topbloke | first things first |
| 01:44:54 | Soap | I think porting Plucker makes more sense than native HTML rendering. |
| 01:45:06 | tical2k | hey! question... |
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| 01:45:23 | tical2k | can the rockbox bootloader have a "lockcode" so to speak programmed into it? |
| 01:45:32 | Soap | ? |
| 01:45:46 | Soap | It /could/ have most anything programmed into it. |
| 01:45:54 | JdGordon | hay all |
| 01:46:00 | JdGordon | scorche: got your recorder handy? |
| 01:46:00 | Soap | ahh, you mean "Enter Password to Boot", eh? |
| 01:46:02 | tical2k | ie.... it will only boot if you press a certain sequence of keys |
| 01:46:05 | tical2k | yeah |
| 01:46:05 | sid | Soap / Lars_G / linuxstb, I didn't touch it(i went out for an hour and came back) and it says "ok to disconnect" with a big check on the screen. |
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| 01:46:14 | sid | Does this mean it's done charging? or it's not charging? or what? |
| 01:46:22 | scorche | JdGordon: yes, but i am a bit occupied atm...what did you need? |
| 01:46:35 | Soap | tical2k: it could, but since Disk Mode is a function of the flash, which isn't replaced by the rockbox bootloader, it would be easy to bypass. |
| 01:46:45 | tical2k | but then again.... |
| 01:46:46 | tical2k | yeah |
| 01:46:50 | tical2k | thats what i was thinking |
| 01:46:51 | linuxstb | sid: Can you see a small battery icon in the top-right corner? |
| 01:46:53 | tical2k | damn that flash |
| 01:46:54 | JdGordon | scorche: check 2 keymap addidiotns for the a-b repeat mode.. aparently they never were put in, but if your busy no problem |
| 01:47:01 | Soap | sid: that it IS charging. |
| 01:47:09 | Soap | sid: see you in 4 hours. |
| 01:47:12 | tical2k | so the flash is not programmable huh |
| 01:47:20 | scorche | JdGordon: i will have to do it later tonight if it still needs to be done |
| 01:47:35 | Llorean | tical2k: It is, but we don't because there's no reason to, and it's safer to leave it alone. |
| 01:47:40 | Soap | tical2k: oh, it (probably) is - but if you do that, there goes the only think which makes the iPod unbrickable. |
| 01:47:47 | Soap | gggrrr |
| 01:47:48 | tical2k | haha |
| 01:47:52 | tical2k | yeah... |
| 01:47:56 | JdGordon | scorche: ok, no prob. ill try to find someone else, but lemmme know when you can incdase i havnt |
| 01:48:12 | * | linuxstb shivers at the thought of flashing ipod users |
| 01:48:26 | topbloke | so can ipod rockbox be uninsalled easily? |
| 01:48:31 | Soap | topbloke: yes |
| 01:48:40 | tical2k | is there an ipod emulator anywhere? i seriously would like to program the flash.... haha |
| 01:48:49 | tical2k | but dont want to brick my new one coming in... |
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| 01:49:01 | topbloke | wheres the instructions for that |
| 01:49:10 | Soap | topbloke: you simply remove the rockbox.ipod file from your hard drive, and remove the .rockbox folder from your ipod, and write the original bootloader.bin file back to the boot partition. |
| 01:49:18 | topbloke | o ok |
| 01:49:22 | Soap | topbloke: the instructions for removal are on the install page. |
| 01:49:29 | linuxstb | Or just "ipodpatcher [device] -d" |
| 01:50:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: To see what flashing iPod users would be like, go look at the anythingbutipod sansa board. :-P |
| 01:50:17 | * | linuxstb won't |
| 01:50:34 | topbloke | is this the right page |
| 01:50:34 | topbloke | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 01:50:34 | Llorean | Good plan |
| 01:50:52 | Llorean | topbloke: All you need to do it nowadays is to run "ipodpatcher [device] -d" as linuxstb said |
| 01:50:59 | topbloke | o right |
| 01:51:10 | topbloke | but u still need the original boot dump right |
| 01:51:17 | tical2k | sooo... is the flash changed whenever the ipod is reformatted? |
| 01:51:31 | Llorean | Soap: With the new install instructions, the ipodpatcher tool can just add or remove the bootloader without having to mess with backed up bootpartition.bins unless you do something REALLY wrong. |
| 01:52:18 | sid | linuxstb: Yes there is a blank battery icon on the top right corner(blank meaning empty) |
| 01:52:29 | linuxstb | tical2k: No. And I would strongly recommend you forget about modifying the flash. We don't know enough about the ipods to initialise the hardware correctly ourselves, we rely on how the Apple bootloader in flash has set things up. |
| 01:52:29 | Llorean | tical2k: The flash is only changed when a program run on the iPod chooses to change it. For example, when you change iPod firmware versions, it updates itself. But if you replaced what was in it with your own code, it would never update itself again unless you wrote an iPod program that did it. Which would mean your code in flash has to be able to run iPod programs. If there's even one VERY small thing wrong with your code in flash, the iP |
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| 01:52:57 | webguest31 | anybody know a good place for free porn? |
| 01:53:12 | JdGordon | the rockbox wiki! |
| 01:53:15 | linuxstb | sid: If it's not animated, then I would guess it's not charging. Are you sure your USB port is providing power? i.e. you're not using a hub? |
| 01:53:23 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 01:53:24 | tical2k | dammit |
| 01:53:27 | tical2k | haha |
| 01:53:29 | tehsmo | indeed. the rockbox wiki is full of free porn |
| 01:53:29 | linuxstb | webguest31: I hear the internet is good for that. |
| 01:53:30 | tehsmo | you should check it out |
| 01:53:42 | webguest31 | really? |
| 01:53:49 | scorche | tehsmo: you dont have to respond to him... |
| 01:53:50 | JdGordon | webguest31: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/e200nude.mpg |
| 01:53:57 | linuxstb | :) |
| 01:54:10 | tehsmo | ;) |
| 01:54:16 | linuxstb | Those crazy Swedes... |
| 01:54:49 | topbloke | nude? |
| 01:56:06 | sid | Soap / Lars_G / linuxstb, ok now it beeped three times blinking between "ok to disconnect" and a picture of the battery(in the center of the screen big) and with an explamation point on top of the left of the battery. |
| 01:56:10 | sid | (I didn't touch it in over an hour, since I just plugged it in) |
| 01:56:33 | sid | linuxstb: yes, the usb port is providing power. I just had a mouse plugged into it. |
| 01:56:54 | * | webguest31 is cool |
| 01:56:56 | sid | (a couple hours ago, an optical mouse, and it worked) |
| 01:57:05 | Genre9mp3 | I hope no-one will get scared when he sees the WikiTable... It's not a spammer attack, it's just me updating all the Plugin pages that run on H10... :) |
| 01:57:15 | topbloke | sid are u using the apple firmware? |
| 01:57:29 | * | webguest31 is so cool |
| 01:57:38 | sid | topbloke: no, the rockbox firmware. I tried the apple_os firmware for an hour..and it didn't seem to charge at all either. |
| 01:57:49 | * | JdGordon is thinking scorche shhuold use his special privelages |
| 01:57:52 | topbloke | mine is weird with chargin too on the apple one |
| 01:57:57 | webguest31 | WHERE CAN I GET QUALITY FREE POEN? |
| 01:58:02 | webguest31 | *PORN |
| 01:58:07 | topbloke | what i did is load up itunes and eject the ipod |
| 01:58:08 | sid | This 5g video ipod is brand new, I just opened the box yesterday. |
| 01:58:08 | Kick | (#rockbox webguest31 :scorche) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
| 01:58:32 | Mouser_X | webguest31: Take off your clothes, and look in mirror. |
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| 01:58:34 | scorche | is anyone on the webclient atm? |
| 01:58:42 | Mouser_X | I don't know about quality, but it's free... |
| 01:58:44 | topbloke | then it showed a big battery chraging |
| 01:58:57 | JdGordon | scorche: no need to ban it unlesshe comes back |
| 01:59:24 | scorche | JdGordon: i know...just being prepared |
| 01:59:24 | topbloke | otherwise i just get a do not disconnect and the battery is not animated at all |
| 01:59:30 | topbloke | try it |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | Mouser_X | I don't plan on installing iTunes, ever, if I get an iPod... |
| 02:00:09 | topbloke | itunes sucks |
| 02:00:16 | Mouser_X | Unless I have no choice whatsoever... |
| 02:00:34 | tehsmo | I think it still charges without disconnecting it |
| 02:00:36 | Mouser_X | (I think I'll get the iPod Winamp plugin instead though.) |
| 02:00:46 | * | tehsmo uses gnupod |
| 02:01:01 | Galois | I use rockbox with ipod. It's itunes-free. |
| 02:01:04 | sid | And the ipod is showing the "ok to disconnect" screen at full brigtness it seems, and before the ipod wouldn't stay on without usb cable for a minute, it would just shutdown. So it's getting power from somewhere. |
| 02:01:22 | topbloke | maybe its getting power but not charging |
| 02:01:23 | Llorean | sid: The port is USB 2.0, right? |
| 02:01:30 | sid | Llorean: yes |
| 02:01:38 | Llorean | Are you 100% sure it's functioning in 2.0, and not 1.1? |
| 02:02:05 | Soap | sid, I asked you to leave it alone plugged in for 5 hours. |
| 02:02:07 | Mouser_X | Is the $20 difference worth it to get an iPod video, over an iPod photo? As far as I can tell, they're the same otherwise. |
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| 02:02:18 | Soap | sid: please. I honestly believe your issue will be gone by then. |
| 02:02:39 | Soap | Mouser_X: 5G has a bigger screen than the 4G |
| 02:02:39 | sid | [17215755.304000] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 34 |
| 02:02:42 | sid | [17215755.720000] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 34, error -71 |
| 02:02:44 | sid | I have a bunch of those in my dmesg |
| 02:02:54 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: They're very different. The video has better audio quality (IMO). |
| 02:02:57 | Soap | Mouser_X: both physically and resolution wise. |
| 02:02:57 | Galois | sid, I've gotten that error in linux before too |
| 02:03:09 | sid | Soap: I didn't touch it, it's been in there since you told me and not been touched once. |
| 02:03:16 | Mouser_X | Soap: Ah, thanks. |
| 02:03:18 | scorche | and frequency scaling |
| 02:03:24 | Galois | the thing is, I only get the error with ehci-hcd |
| 02:03:39 | Soap | Mouser_X: yes, as scorch hinted at the 5G port is more stable than the 4G port. |
| 02:04:02 | JdGordon | sid: i have the same problem... your not using ubuntu 6.10 are you? |
| 02:04:02 | Soap | Mouser_X: the 5G 60GB player has twice the RAM of the 30 gig player, and has a bigger battery to boot. |
| 02:04:07 | Mouser_X | Well, it sounds like the $20 is probably worth it. |
| 02:04:11 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
| 02:04:12 | sid | JdGordon: yes ubuntu 6.10 |
| 02:04:25 | JdGordon | sid: ditto... i tihn ubutnu is fubar on this one |
| 02:04:32 | JdGordon | rmmod ehci_hcd fixes it |
| 02:04:38 | Soap | Mouser_X: the 5G player has a hardware EQ which rockbox can use, which consumes no power as opposed to the 4G and software EQ. |
| 02:04:40 | JdGordon | but runs at usb 1.1 speeds :'( |
| 02:04:43 | sid | JdGordon: YOu mean Ubuntu can't charge an ipod? |
| 02:04:50 | JdGordon | (copying 20gb at 1mb/s is slooow) |
| 02:04:53 | topbloke | here goes : Bootloader bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod written to device. |
| 02:04:54 | sid | JdGordon: Or just you don't know why it gives that error. |
| 02:04:58 | JdGordon | sid: it wll chanrge |
| 02:05:03 | sid | mine won't |
| 02:05:31 | JdGordon | remove ehci_hcd and connect it and it will, it will just transfer very slowly (which byt he souns of it you dont need) |
| 02:05:34 | Soap | sid: as evidenced by the fact it has collected enough juice to go finally to disk mode. It IS charging, slower than it should or not. |
| 02:06:41 | topbloke | how do u change fonts? |
| 02:06:41 | Soap | give it four more hours please, four more hours of leaving it alone, four more hours of no HD, not backlight, no nothing, so that we can see how much charge it accumulates, IF any. The more you play with it, the more the battery is going to be drained. |
| 02:06:55 | Soap | topbloke: you need to download the font pack and the manual. |
| 02:06:57 | sid | Soap: ok |
| 02:07:14 | topbloke | o i got that |
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| 02:07:54 | topbloke | whats a big font |
| 02:07:54 | sid | Soap: It's just staying on the "ok to disconnect" screen on the ipod(I didn't touch any hardware or software since I plugged it in), so it's ok..just leave it 4 more hours? |
| 02:08:19 | topbloke | ok i got 1 |
| 02:08:27 | topbloke | so sweet rockbox works |
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| 02:10:11 | Galois | I think it's linux's fault, not ubuntu. I've gotten the USB error with several distros and each time I never managed to solve the problem. |
| 02:10:23 | Galois | there are some distros that work, and kernel 2.4 always works |
| 02:10:36 | topbloke | hey but my battery shows almost drained in rockbox when it was almost full in apple fw |
| 02:10:46 | JdGordon | Galois: i never had this problem before, but a clean instal of ubuntu 6.10 started it |
| 02:11:10 | JdGordon | Galois: although i had this in windows also, so maybe.. just odd that removign ehci makes it work |
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| 02:11:22 | topbloke | which one is right? |
| 02:13:48 | sid | ok again it beeped three times just now blinking between "ok to disconnect" and a picture of the battery(in the center of the screen big) and with an explamation point on top of the left of the battery. |
| 02:14:08 | topbloke | noob: i cant quit the oscilloscope plugin |
| 02:14:10 | topbloke | ??? |
| 02:14:23 | sid | It seems to do that periodically for a certain amount of time.(every 20 minutes?) |
| 02:15:04 | Llorean | sid: It really sounds like something's going wrong on your computer's end. |
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| 02:20:49 | topbloke | now to go crazy downloading themes |
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| 02:28:17 | RabidSnail | Is it possible to use libusb in plugins? |
| 02:30:08 | sid | Llorean: Should I unplug the ipod and cable from the Ubuntu desktop and plug it into my Debian GNU/Linux laptop? |
| 02:30:34 | JdGordon | RabidSnail: do you mean USB-OTG ? |
| 02:30:51 | RabidSnail | what's usb-otg? |
| 02:31:01 | JdGordon | sid: try it and find out |
| 02:31:01 | topbloke | usb on the go |
| 02:31:11 | JdGordon | RabidSnail: what do you want to do with usb? |
| 02:31:27 | Soap | sid: do you have a powered hub? |
| 02:31:39 | RabidSnail | I' trying to see if it would be possible to port usbhostfs to use rockbox |
| 02:32:00 | RabidSnail | but it hinges on libusb |
| 02:32:38 | JdGordon | we cant use the otg chip in any of the available targets ye (the chip that is used as a host) so not yet... |
| 02:33:04 | RabidSnail | hmm |
| 02:33:46 | Llorean | Not to mention, if you're referring to libusb as in "the libusb project" I think you're a bit confused as to what Rockbox is. |
| 02:33:46 | linuxstb | What does usbhostfs do? |
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| 02:34:43 | RabidSnail | linuxstb: It allows the psp to connect to a device over usb and emulate memory stick |
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| 02:35:25 | RabidSnail | so you can store your games and movies on your computer and play them over usb |
| 02:36:16 | linuxstb | That requires a USB host driver in Rockbox, which doesn't exist for any target yet... |
| 02:36:30 | linuxstb | And is only possible on some of them anyway. |
| 02:36:43 | RabidSnail | hmm |
| 02:36:54 | linuxstb | Which Rockbox device do you own? |
| 02:37:02 | RabidSnail | iaudio X5 |
| 02:38:41 | topbloke | why not just watch on the PC |
| 02:38:41 | linuxstb | OK, so you'll need to implement _everything_ in Rockbox. From the low-level USB driver upwards. |
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| 02:38:58 | RabidSnail | not very practical |
| 02:39:12 | Soap | the cost is high, but so is the reward. |
| 02:39:34 | Soap | You will be swimming in the women (or men if that is your fancy, nothing wrong with that) when you succede. |
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| 02:41:27 | RabidSnail | if anyone is interested, you can find the source for the mac version at http://dl.qj.net/index.php?pg=12&fid=8535 |
| 02:41:52 | RabidSnail | sould copile in linux by the looks of it |
| 02:41:57 | RabidSnail | compile |
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| 02:43:07 | Soap | RabidSnail: does it use floating point math? |
| 02:43:35 | RabidSnail | not by the looks of it |
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| 02:50:53 | tehsmo | hmm ..methinks rockbox needs more assert statements |
| 02:53:15 | tehsmo | functions don't seem to be checking if other functions return NULL, even though it's possible .. |
| 02:53:59 | linuxstb | For example? |
| 02:54:54 | tehsmo | well, bookmark_play calls playlist_peek but doesn't check if it returns null |
| 02:55:44 | tehsmo | granted, it should probably never give it input that would do that, but I'm a fan of copious asserts |
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| 03:02:58 | linuxstb | I don't think there are _any_ asserts in Rockbox (assuming you mean the assert() macro). |
| 03:03:17 | tehsmo | there aren't at the moment |
| 03:03:27 | tehsmo | as far as i know |
| 03:04:25 | tehsmo | currently I'm using debug statements in place of asserts, because there's no good substitute for an assert function right now |
| 03:06:09 | linuxstb | You could just implement assert(), as a macro which is only enabled for LOGF builds. |
| 03:06:18 | tehsmo | yeah, I might do that |
| 03:06:33 | tehsmo | or make it work differently; perhaps it would take over the screen and present the assert failure |
| 03:06:37 | tehsmo | then when you pressed a button it would reboot |
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| 03:54:45 | EspeonEefi | Hrm... unless I'm doing something wrong, the 80 GB iPod ATA controller thinks we want to read from disk 1 when we really want disk 0... |
| 03:55:20 | jeffb | ? |
| 03:55:24 | jeffb | hrm |
| 03:55:40 | jeffb | how do you know |
| 03:56:43 | EspeonEefi | I printed out ATA_SELECT inside the if statement in ata_read_sectors... |
| 03:56:58 | EspeonEefi | The one whose predicate is status & (STATUS_BSY | STATUS_ERR | STATUS_DF) |
| 03:57:24 | EspeonEefi | Under the huge comment about errors in READ MULTIPLE commands that's copied from the ATA specification. |
| 03:57:37 | EspeonEefi | It gave me 0x40 instead of the expected 0x00... |
| 03:57:58 | EspeonEefi | (But I may be doing something wrong... this is my first foray into device hacking.) |
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| 04:05:09 | EspeonEefi | Lessee... firmware/drivers/ata.c line 341 in version 1.198 |
| 04:08:26 | linuxstb | EspeonEefi: Just to let you know that most developers are in Europe, so they're asleep at the moment... |
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| 04:08:43 | EspeonEefi | lol Heh, I guess I lose... >.> |
| 04:09:22 | EspeonEefi | Hrm... I really wonder whether I'm doing this right... :/ |
| 04:09:28 | EspeonEefi | Oh, well... march on! |
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| 04:12:17 | sid | Soap: no I don't have a powered hub. |
| 04:12:32 | sid | Soap: I plug the device directly into the back of my desktop tower. via usb 2.0 |
| 04:15:25 | linuxstb | sid: Did you try JdGordon's suggestion? (removing the ehci_hcd module) ? |
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| 04:22:26 | EspeonEefi | Oh, never mind, I'm stupid. |
| 04:22:45 | EspeonEefi | 0x40 is 0100 0000, not 0001 0000. |
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| 04:23:04 | EspeonEefi | :/ |
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| 04:28:50 | sid | linuxstb: You think that matters? |
| 04:29:17 | linuxstb | sid: JdGordon said it fixed it for him... |
| 04:29:21 | Soap | sid: the only reason I mentioned a powered hub was that you could use it as a charger and remove the computer from the equation. |
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| 04:30:33 | sid | ok, I moved the thing to my laptop(it's running apple_os firmware now) and I did "rmmod ehci_hcd" |
| 04:30:59 | sid | It has gained zero batter power so far. and it shutdowns down a second after I boot it. |
| 04:32:50 | sid | It was connected to my Desktop for 4 hours, and still shutdown a second after I started it. |
| 04:33:49 | sid | I'll connect it to my laptop for a few hours. with ehci_hcd module not loaded into the kernel. |
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| 04:34:52 | sid | When it's connected via usb, I can use the thing. so it's getting power from somewhere it would appear |
| 04:35:13 | sid | ie, I can scroll through apple_os right now, but if I unplug it from usb, it will shut down. |
| 04:37:57 | Soap | if you can use the thing plugged in, remove rockbox. |
| 04:38:17 | sid | heh, k..I guess I should for when I rma it |
| 04:39:06 | tehsmo | so, I want some input on how devs think bookmarks should work with the database; what's the usual medium for something like this? |
| 04:39:13 | JdGordon | anyone got an archos recorder? |
| 04:39:25 | tehsmo | mailing list, bug report (there's already one on this), or forums? |
| 04:39:43 | JdGordon | mail list or here usually... |
| 04:39:49 | tehsmo | ok |
| 04:39:59 | tehsmo | I'll probably send an email then, thanks |
| 04:40:01 | sid | CODE |
| 04:40:17 | sid | " CODE |
| 04:40:17 | sid | "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin |
| 04:40:17 | sid | 1 |
| 04:40:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK sid |
| 04:40:17 | sid | SI |
| 04:40:49 | sid | bleh, where did that 1 and SI come from in the pdf, anyway... "RER |
| 04:40:49 | sid | bleh, where did that 1 and SI come from in the pdf, anyway... "R emember that N is the number that you found when you installed Rockbox on your |
| 04:40:51 | sid | Ipo |
| 04:42:16 | sid | What is "N" /dev/sda? |
| 04:42:27 | linuxstb | sid: If you're using the latest (v0.5) version of ipodpatcher, the syntax has changed. It's now "ipodpatcher [device] -w bootpartition.bin". |
| 04:42:55 | linuxstb | sid: Yes. Type ipodpatcher without any options for usage instructions. |
| 04:42:56 | sid | k |
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| 04:53:07 | sid | hmm, the device doesn't even show up when I plug it in now. |
| 04:53:12 | sid | It's not in fdisk -l |
| 04:53:14 | sid | or anything |
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| 05:02:00 | topbloke | hey can the rockbox bootloader charge the ipod? |
| 05:03:46 | linuxstb | It doesn't stay around long enough... |
| 05:04:02 | linuxstb | But charging is hardware controlled, so yes, it should charge in the bootloader. |
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| 05:08:14 | topbloke | i drained the battery down in rockbox |
| 05:08:25 | topbloke | and now the bootlaoder doesn want to boot either firmware |
| 05:08:29 | Tommmo | I cant download the daliy builds |
| 05:08:34 | Tommmo | is there a differnt site to go to? |
| 05:08:39 | Tommmo | when i click on it it says file isnt found |
| 05:08:53 | linuxstb | Tommmo: Some of the daily builds are missing - try an older one (e.g. 26th December) |
| 05:09:06 | Tommmo | ok |
| 05:09:10 | topbloke | just goes to a dead battery screen |
| 05:09:11 | Tommmo | im on the 22nd |
| 05:09:18 | Tommmo | n havnt been able to update sine then |
| 05:10:20 | linuxstb | topbloke: 1) Plug it in to charge; 2) turn the hold switch on; 3) wait. |
| 05:10:49 | topbloke | i only have the usb connector |
| 05:11:04 | linuxstb | That's what I mean. |
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| 05:12:08 | topbloke | if its like a black screen with a faint battery on it is is charging? |
| 05:12:59 | linuxstb | That's the low-battery screen. Just wait, and that will disappear. |
| 05:13:18 | topbloke | nothings happening and its plugged in |
| 05:15:18 | topbloke | ok i got a b/w screen says do not disconnect |
| 05:15:27 | topbloke | and battery is animating |
| 05:16:04 | topbloke | is this a rockbox one? |
| 05:16:19 | linuxstb | No, those are all Apple screens. |
| 05:16:27 | topbloke | really |
| 05:16:41 | topbloke | the old one had a red crossed off circle |
| 05:16:47 | topbloke | this one is black and white |
| 05:17:02 | topbloke | thats why i am wondering |
| 05:17:14 | Nimdae | port rockbox to psp RIGHT NOW... >.> .... <.< .... ;;>.> |
| 05:17:19 | scorche | that is apple's "emergency boot loader" |
| 05:17:26 | topbloke | oh |
| 05:17:28 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
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| 05:17:34 | Nimdae | owww |
| 05:17:39 | topbloke | so hopefully it is charging this beast |
| 05:17:57 | scorche | it is |
| 05:17:59 | topbloke | does istalling rockbox enable this one |
| 05:18:27 | Nimdae | how about the ds then? |
| 05:18:33 | Nimdae | 2 screens are better than 1! |
| 05:18:55 | Nimdae | i'm totally gonna get banned from here, heh |
| 05:18:58 | topbloke | yup |
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| 05:19:56 | * | linuxstb bed. |
| 05:20:06 | topbloke | apple was showing my battery almost full, i installed rokbox and it showed it almost drained and apparently it did drain in like 10 min |
| 05:20:43 | Nimdae | that's apparently a notorious problem with the apple firmware |
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| 05:21:09 | sid | I guess I'll just rma this thing with rockbox on it. |
| 05:21:09 | topbloke | that it lies about battery? |
| 05:21:22 | topbloke | sid i think i had the same problem as you |
| 05:21:24 | Nimdae | not necesarily that it lies |
| 05:21:36 | topbloke | just now |
| 05:21:38 | sid | topbloke: That it won't take a charge? |
| 05:21:50 | topbloke | well im trying now to charge it |
| 05:21:55 | Nimdae | it attempts to calculate a guess on remaining life, but it gets it wrong after a while |
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| 05:22:16 | topbloke | i got that ugly white screen do not disconnect |
| 05:22:24 | sid | yea, same here |
| 05:22:30 | topbloke | and the battery is animating |
| 05:22:30 | sid | topbloke: beep three times? |
| 05:22:41 | topbloke | it beeped before in the apple firmware |
| 05:22:49 | sid | topbloke: 3 times? |
| 05:22:58 | sid | my shit just turned on and off without me touching it |
| 05:23:10 | sid | Now I get the "do not disconnect" and then "ok to disconnect" heh |
| 05:23:13 | topbloke | did your battery animate as charging thout |
| 05:23:17 | sid | I dunno wtf is up with this thing, brand new out of the box yesterday. |
| 05:23:31 | topbloke | though |
| 05:23:32 | sid | no, I got no animation when attempting to charge |
| 05:23:48 | topbloke | ok well mine is animating and says do not disconnect |
| 05:23:53 | topbloke | so maybe different |
| 05:24:26 | topbloke | can you get yours to show up on your computer as a drive? |
| 05:24:42 | Nimdae | just leave it connected overnight, see what happens |
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| 05:24:47 | topbloke | yea |
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| 05:25:02 | Nimdae | i know impatiences will make it painful, but you may be glad you did it |
| 05:26:08 | sid | Nimdae: I've had it connected for over 6 hours. |
| 05:26:12 | topbloke | try a windows PC |
| 05:26:12 | Mouser_X | D: |
| 05:26:39 | sid | I don't have any windows pcs |
| 05:26:49 | Nimdae | hmmm... |
| 05:27:04 | Nimdae | well, i would say 24 hours, but 6 hours should at least do something |
| 05:27:10 | sid | nothing |
| 05:27:17 | sid | If I unplug it from usb, it shuts down. |
| 05:27:59 | sid | It was working all yesterday..(the first day I opened it), I was playing chess listening to pink floyd etc..then the battery needed to be charged so I plugged it into my desktop..and it wouldn't take a charge. and I've been charging it all day long. |
| 05:29:42 | topbloke | is yours a 30gb video? |
| 05:30:05 | sid | yes |
| 05:30:08 | sid | 5g |
| 05:30:23 | Nimdae | try a different usb port? |
| 05:30:31 | sid | I tried 4 different usb ports. |
| 05:30:34 | sid | from laptop to desktop |
| 05:30:39 | Nimdae | have any firewire you can try? |
| 05:30:42 | topbloke | i say try in on someones windows pc with the dreaded itunes on it |
| 05:30:48 | sid | nope |
| 05:30:51 | sid | no firewire cable |
| 05:30:54 | topbloke | 5g dont take firewire |
| 05:31:02 | topbloke | i reckon |
| 05:31:04 | Nimdae | yes it will |
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| 05:31:14 | topbloke | thought i read it didnt |
| 05:31:23 | topbloke | maybe but one of those wall chargers |
| 05:31:24 | Nimdae | 5g will communicate over firewire with apple computers on the apple firmware, but not windows |
| 05:31:32 | Nimdae | it's retarded tbh |
| 05:31:44 | Nimdae | but my wall charger connects and charges through firewire |
| 05:32:24 | topbloke | buy |
| 05:32:28 | sid | I think I'm going to rma this thing and just sell it on eBay or something. |
| 05:32:30 | topbloke | i saw one for like 20 bucks |
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| 05:32:46 | topbloke | try a crarger without the stupid USB thing |
| 05:32:50 | sid | If I rma it will they give me one in a brand new box, fresh seal etc? |
| 05:32:57 | sid | I don't have a charger without usb |
| 05:32:59 | Nimdae | rma and sell? |
| 05:33:04 | Nimdae | if you rma, you return it |
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| 05:33:15 | topbloke | and they give u a new one |
| 05:33:17 | Nimdae | and they will most likely send a refurb as a replacement |
| 05:33:22 | topbloke | :( |
| 05:33:34 | jba | has anyone thought about generating a san-serif font with a black shadow? to make it easier to read when displayed over background images? |
| 05:34:10 | Mouser_X | sid: My offer to buy it still stands. |
| 05:34:14 | topbloke | arent the fonts one color |
| 05:34:36 | sid | Mouser_X: I have speakers, kickstand case, and fm transmitter. How much? |
| 05:34:51 | Mouser_X | For all that? Huh... I just wanted the iPod... |
| 05:34:53 | sid | It was sold for $450 on shopnbc.com |
| 05:34:54 | topbloke | whats a kickstand |
| 05:35:03 | sid | some leather case |
| 05:35:06 | topbloke | o |
| 05:35:13 | Mouser_X | sid: I'd expect that to sell for more than I'd pay... |
| 05:35:14 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 05:35:34 | Mouser_X | (All I want is the iPod... The other stuff raises the price.) |
| 05:35:39 | sid | Mouser_X: How much for just the 5g? |
| 05:35:57 | Mouser_X | How much would you say? |
| 05:36:05 | sid | What is it worth new? |
| 05:36:32 | Mouser_X | On eBay, the prices I'm seeing (over the last 2 days) is around $200 for a new one. |
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| 05:36:53 | Mouser_X | Refurbished ones seem to go for around $170-$200. |
| 05:37:13 | sid | $190? |
| 05:37:18 | Mouser_X | I've seen them go for $150, but only once (again, this is over the last 2 days). |
| 05:37:22 | sid | I have to discuss this with the mrs also, she's the one who made me keep it. |
| 05:37:32 | Mouser_X | Heh. Understandable. |
| 05:37:32 | sid | I wanted to return this crap and build a mythtv box. |
| 05:37:44 | Nimdae | sid: try reflashing the apple firmware and see if that corrects |
| 05:37:48 | Nimdae | it |
| 05:38:02 | sid | Nimdae: I can boot with the apple_os firmware, and it still won't take a charge. |
| 05:38:09 | Mouser_X | Also, I'm thinking about it. I found a pretty good deal on another site, so I might go for that ($170, though I don't know if it's refurbished or not). |
| 05:38:13 | Nimdae | no |
| 05:38:21 | Nimdae | i mean completely reflash it...use the apple updater |
| 05:38:33 | sid | I don't have any windows machines. |
| 05:38:53 | Mouser_X | Have you tried qemu? |
| 05:38:54 | Nimdae | you need windows for that? |
| 05:38:59 | Mouser_X | It runs WinXP... |
| 05:38:59 | sid | I have to go to my aunt's apartment, then she's going to bug me about fixing her outlook or whatever crap is worng with her windows machine. |
| 05:41:25 | sid | So if charging it hardware controlled... me putting rockbox on this 5g has nothing to do with it not functioning properly right? |
| 05:41:42 | sid | s/charging it/charging it is/ |
| 05:41:54 | Nimdae | have you tried holding select+menu until it resets and seeing what happens? |
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| 05:42:13 | sid | and on the same token, if I reflash it with apple software crap on a windows machine..that shouldn't matter no? |
| 05:42:17 | Nimdae | if i sound retarded, i'm just trying to think of anything stupid that may fix it :P |
| 05:42:26 | Nimdae | it could matter |
| 05:42:48 | Nimdae | if something is set accidentally and not reset, it could affect things |
| 05:42:54 | sid | How long do I hold select and menu for? |
| 05:43:02 | Nimdae | until it starts booting |
| 05:43:06 | sid | I held it for 8 seconds, and it just booted rockbox after I was done. |
| 05:43:19 | Nimdae | plug it in and see what happens? |
| 05:43:33 | sid | It tells me "ok to disconnect" |
| 05:43:56 | Nimdae | hmmm... |
| 05:44:05 | topbloke | mine does that when i eject it via windows |
| 05:44:18 | topbloke | but unil then it says do not disconnect |
| 05:44:20 | Nimdae | yeah, but it shouldn't be doing that when plugging it in |
| 05:44:29 | Nimdae | maybe the cable is bad? |
| 05:44:48 | Mouser_X | It's getting power though. |
| 05:44:58 | Mouser_X | Otherwise, it wouldn't be running at all.] |
| 05:44:59 | Nimdae | doesn't mean anything |
| 05:45:09 | Mouser_X | At least, based on what sid has said already. |
| 05:45:13 | Nimdae | i can have an ethernet cable give me a link light, but not able to carry a signal |
| 05:45:24 | Mouser_X | Very true. |
| 05:45:35 | sid | yea, it runs when plugged in.(sometimes) |
| 05:45:43 | Nimdae | i'm betting bad cable |
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| 05:46:39 | Nimdae | is the bottom connector clean of lint and whatnot? |
| 05:47:55 | sid | yes, it looks very clean.(less then 24 hours old iPod) |
| 05:48:26 | Nimdae | well, i don't know if it's been in a pocket or something :P |
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| 05:50:22 | jeffb | sid, did you drop it in the toilet? |
| 05:50:48 | Mouser_X | He probably went swimming with it, while it was plugged in. |
| 05:50:49 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 05:51:07 | sid | jeffb: no I didn't drop it in the toilet or go swimming with it. |
| 05:51:07 | jeffb | heh |
| 05:51:56 | topbloke | lol |
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| 06:05:46 | sid | ok, I have the 5g plugged into a laptop running Windows XP now |
| 06:05:58 | sid | What do I install? iTunes? |
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| 06:07:20 | sid | When I first got my iPod I didn't charge it...Should I have fully charged it when I first got it? is that the problem? |
| 06:07:52 | topbloke | yeah get itunes |
| 06:08:08 | jeffb | when I go to the gas station I fill the tank |
| 06:08:12 | topbloke | you are supposed to charge it for like 4 hours at 1st |
| 06:08:34 | topbloke | i only fill up for like $10 |
| 06:08:53 | jeffb | topbloke, you must be at the gas station a lot |
| 06:09:00 | sid | topbloke: So because I didn't do that you think this is why it's broken? |
| 06:09:41 | tehsmo | sid: what's the longest continuous amount of time you've left it plugged in so far? |
| 06:09:41 | topbloke | i didnt charge mine either |
| 06:09:45 | topbloke | couldnt wait to play with it |
| 06:09:51 | sid | tehsmo: 8 hours? |
| 06:09:55 | sid | tehsmo: The last 8 hours |
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| 06:10:15 | tehsmo | then if it doesn't work it's probably either a bad cable or something wrong in the player |
| 06:10:20 | topbloke | but i did plug it in for a while to transfer tunes so that charged it |
| 06:10:20 | tehsmo | so you should probably just RMA it |
| 06:10:41 | sid | But I can't get rockbox off of it |
| 06:11:14 | jeffb | all you need is disk mode to remove rockbox |
| 06:12:16 | sid | Where do I go to in iTunes? |
| 06:12:29 | topbloke | does it show a device on the left side |
| 06:12:45 | topbloke | u have to give it time |
| 06:16:18 | sid | I got "usb device not recognized" when I plugged it in |
| 06:16:22 | sid | from windows |
| 06:16:30 | sid | And it isn't showing up in iTunes |
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| 06:16:48 | sid | I loaded apple_os on the iPod and it told me not enough battery or something, and to please power down |
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| 06:19:08 | sid | And the thing just turned itself on a few seconds ago after minutes of not working and booted apple_os |
| 06:19:34 | jeffb | sounds like your ipod has issues charging |
| 06:20:28 | sid | jeffb: Because I put rockbox on it? |
| 06:20:35 | jeffb | no |
| 06:20:45 | jeffb | rockbox has nothing to do with it |
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| 06:20:56 | sid | ok, the iPod is on now in apple_os |
| 06:20:56 | jeffb | your ipod has hardware issues |
| 06:20:59 | sid | I can go through the menu list and everything. |
| 06:21:15 | sid | (I guess it's getting power via usb, because if I unplug usb cable it will shutdown right away) |
| 06:21:32 | jeffb | let it sit there and charge |
| 06:21:49 | sid | It doesn't take a charge, no matter what. |
| 06:22:00 | sid | And it won't show up in iTunes right now either. |
| 06:22:12 | topbloke | does it show up as a drive in windoes |
| 06:22:18 | jeffb | I'd send it back |
| 06:22:30 | sid | It shows the battery blinking white and green, and a lightning bolt over it. |
| 06:22:36 | sid | I believe that is new. not sure |
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| 06:23:06 | sid | topbloke: No it's not showing up as a drive in windows.(My Computer) |
| 06:24:17 | jeffb | your ipod sounds defective... you should get it replaced |
| 06:24:33 | sid | ok, the battery stopped blinking and it's just static now with it mostly empty and a tiny bit of red at the end.(as it was 8 hours ago) |
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| 06:24:45 | * | Mouser_X is starting to agree. |
| 06:24:49 | Mouser_X | Though, I'm not one to talk. |
| 06:24:58 | sid | Even though it's brand new? |
| 06:25:14 | Mouser_X | Could be defective out of the box. |
| 06:25:15 | sid | damn, I don't want to send it with rockbox on it. |
| 06:25:25 | Mouser_X | It wouldn't be the first time. |
| 06:25:28 | sid | You think they'll check what firmware is on it? |
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| 06:25:41 | Mouser_X | Maybe. |
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| 06:26:13 | H10guy | hiya all |
| 06:26:26 | H10guy | i have a lil problem with my rockbox |
| 06:26:28 | H10guy | again |
| 06:26:29 | H10guy | lol |
| 06:26:42 | Mouser_X | You should look into battery replacements (though, I wouldn't recommend replacing the batteries yet, until you can cancel out all other variables). |
| 06:26:54 | Mouser_X | @ sid |
| 06:28:36 | H10guy | hey iv been getting like this bootloader infomation when i turn on my h10 n it has like all this infomation, it did this after i updated my rockbox firmware any ideas? cause i cant get it to work. I installed the old firmware n then reinstalled hte rockbox firmware but it didnt work |
| 06:29:13 | H10guy | it just shows the bootloader info n wont letme play songs or naivagte menus or anything |
| 06:29:55 | sid | "USB device not recognized, One of the USB devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned and windows does not recognize it..." |
| 06:29:59 | sid | windows is telling me |
| 06:33:19 | Mouser_X | Oh fun... |
| 06:33:22 | Mouser_X | :/ |
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| 06:35:21 | sid | I wonder if I can return it and get cash back. |
| 06:35:57 | sid | It was $450 USD for the 5g iPod video, and the speakers, and fm transmitter, and kickstand case.(from shopnbc.com) |
| 06:38:59 | sid | What do I do if they ask if I changed anything on it? or if they call me asking why rockbox is on it.. heh |
| 06:39:02 | sid | Just play dumb? |
| 06:39:08 | sid | "What is rockbox?" |
| 06:40:09 | Mouser_X | "Huh? I got it for Christmas." |
| 06:40:19 | Mouser_X | "Maybe they installed it, thinking I'd want that." |
| 06:40:36 | Mouser_X | (They being the person who gave it to you.) |
| 06:41:10 | Nimdae | yeah, that wouldn't fly |
| 06:41:19 | Nimdae | buyer is still responsible for it ;) |
| 06:41:31 | Mouser_X | Take it to Wal-Mart. |
| 06:41:38 | Mouser_X | At the very least, you can get money back. |
| 06:41:48 | Mouser_X | They'll take anything, from what I've heard... |
| 06:41:50 | sid | I'll just say it came like that when I opened the package.(if they ask) |
| 06:42:06 | sid | Mouser_X: I didn't buy it from walmart though. |
| 06:42:28 | Mouser_X | They don't require a reciept, much of the time. |
| 06:43:10 | Nimdae | i've heard of people claiming they lost the receipt or it was a gift and they bought it from there |
| 06:43:34 | sid | They'll give full refund? |
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| 06:43:54 | Nimdae | eh, i've just heard of it, can't say if it's true |
| 06:44:11 | Mouser_X | (In case it didn't make it through:) |
| 06:44:15 | Mouser_X | They don't require a reciept, much of the time. |
| 06:44:15 | H10guy | hey guys |
| 06:44:15 | Mouser_X | At least, I know there's been times when I took stuff back to them without a reciept. |
| 06:44:19 | H10guy | i need some heol |
| 06:44:21 | sid | Walmart is a big evil megacorp, I wouldn't mind ripping them off. |
| 06:44:42 | sid | Mouser_X: But there is a barcode and they can check inventory no? |
| 06:45:01 | jeffb | go into walmart and punch an employee |
| 06:45:13 | Mouser_X | My sister had a friend who got a bunch of wedding presents from Wal-Mart. After using them for six months (bedding included), they took it all back when they moved. |
| 06:45:21 | sid | The employees aren't evil. |
| 06:45:21 | Mouser_X | lol @ jeffb |
| 06:45:29 | sid | It's the executive board. |
| 06:45:48 | excitatory | most wal-mart employees are so poorly treated, they could care less about the job, much less the good of the corporation. |
| 06:45:53 | Mouser_X | Well, the barcode thing would probably only check to see if it's an item they sell. |
| 06:46:14 | Mouser_X | Otherwise, I'd think it wouldn't matter. |
| 06:46:14 | sid | Mouser_X: And I'll get cash back? |
| 06:46:18 | sid | I'm trying this tomorrow. |
| 06:46:22 | Mouser_X | Pretty sure. |
| 06:46:28 | sid | Mouser_X: What state you in? |
| 06:46:28 | Mouser_X | If not, store credit. |
| 06:46:48 | jeffb | hehe |
| 06:46:51 | Mouser_X | At the very least, with store credit, you could get all kinds of groceries. |
| 06:47:04 | Mouser_X | Free food for months? |
| 06:48:55 | Mouser_X | sid: If you're replying to me, you need to be registered with nickserv. |
| 06:49:00 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
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| 06:53:47 | Mouser_X | There's been a few times when we bought a DVD online, and the person we took it to returned it. I can't remember which store they returned it to, but we paid like, $20-$30 for the DVD, and when they returned it, they got $60 back for it (since that's how much the store they returned it to sold it for). |
| 06:54:07 | Mouser_X | In other words, you might actually make money that way, but don't get your hopes up. |
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| 07:11:11 | topbloke | odnt you need a recipt |
| 07:11:38 | topbloke | or just buy an ipod there and return the old one |
| 07:11:42 | topbloke | ive dont that |
| 07:11:45 | topbloke | done |
| 07:11:49 | topbloke | with broken hardware |
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| 07:13:41 | topbloke | so my ipod charged to full in 2 hours of that do not disconnect screen |
| 07:13:53 | topbloke | i guess its just yours is messed up |
| 07:14:48 | sid | I guess I'll try to return the fm transmitter and the spekaers and everything else to Walmart also. |
| 07:15:15 | topbloke | but dont these places require receipts? |
| 07:15:36 | sid | walmart doesn't apparently |
| 07:15:36 | topbloke | odd |
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| 07:15:39 | topbloke | their loss then |
| 07:15:41 | topbloke | is your gain |
| 07:15:55 | sid | they treat their employees like crap, I guess they can't care. |
| 07:16:20 | topbloke | im gonna uninstall rockbox for now though |
| 07:16:23 | sid | terrible health care, they shutdown stores if they try to unionize. they teach managers/store owners to harass employees to work them like horses |
| 07:16:26 | sid | heh |
| 07:16:35 | sid | s/can't care/don't care/ |
| 07:16:39 | topbloke | yeah they lock them in overnight |
| 07:17:42 | topbloke | [INFO] Bootloader removed. |
| 07:18:00 | H10guy | i cant get my rockbox to work |
| 07:18:02 | topbloke | rockbox is great but for ipod it drains the battery to fast and boots too slow |
| 07:18:04 | H10guy | iv tried everythig |
| 07:18:17 | topbloke | u got a iriver |
| 07:18:18 | topbloke | ? |
| 07:18:21 | H10guy | yea |
| 07:18:29 | topbloke | i dunno anything about those |
| 07:18:31 | H10guy | i had it working |
| 07:18:42 | H10guy | but i had porblems with it |
| 07:18:49 | bagawk | jeffb: any news for 80gb pods today? |
| 07:18:54 | H10guy | so i took off the rockbox n put back my old firmware |
| 07:19:00 | H10guy | but now i try and put the rockbox back on |
| 07:19:03 | H10guy | but it wont work |
| 07:20:02 | topbloke | no clue |
| 07:20:19 | topbloke | i have a archos from like 2001 and this new ipod |
| 07:20:28 | H10guy | hows the anchos work? |
| 07:20:33 | H10guy | i was thinking of lookin an old one up |
| 07:20:39 | * | TheCollector misses his old Archos |
| 07:20:44 | topbloke | a lot of stuff broke on mine |
| 07:21:10 | topbloke | but its been in years of abuse |
| 07:21:31 | H10guy | can u get anchos that hold like over 20 gb |
| 07:21:45 | topbloke | you can stick an 80gb drive in there |
| 07:21:49 | tehsmo | IIRC it's pretty easy to replace the HD |
| 07:21:54 | topbloke | but the recorder only comes in 20 |
| 07:22:17 | topbloke | its just a laptop drive |
| 07:22:19 | H10guy | can u buy these new anywhere? |
| 07:22:24 | H10guy | a laptop drive? |
| 07:22:26 | H10guy | ouch |
| 07:22:27 | topbloke | u wann buy mine |
| 07:22:28 | H10guy | how big are they |
| 07:22:32 | topbloke | its BIG |
| 07:22:41 | topbloke | and heavy |
| 07:22:45 | H10guy | no i think not |
| 07:22:50 | H10guy | wait |
| 07:22:52 | H10guy | how much |
| 07:22:53 | H10guy | lol |
| 07:23:10 | topbloke | i dunno |
| 07:23:13 | topbloke | $50 |
| 07:23:25 | H10guy | i dont no |
| 07:23:31 | H10guy | i prefer to get my h10 workin |
| 07:23:34 | H10guy | lol |
| 07:23:34 | topbloke | why do u want it anyway |
| 07:23:34 | H10guy | nice n small |
| 07:23:39 | topbloke | yeah |
| 07:23:40 | H10guy | i dont really |
| 07:23:42 | H10guy | i was just curious |
| 07:23:44 | topbloke | o ok |
| 07:23:46 | H10guy | i want an iaudo |
| 07:23:55 | topbloke | what about ipod |
| 07:24:04 | H10guy | dont like ipods |
| 07:24:11 | H10guy | my mates hve them and the audio is shit |
| 07:24:17 | H10guy | i heard an iaudio |
| 07:24:31 | H10guy | and i was shocked how much better the audio sounds on it with the same earphones n same song |
| 07:24:36 | topbloke | no way |
| 07:25:34 | H10guy | id take a blind test anyday |
| 07:25:35 | H10guy | lol |
| 07:25:38 | H10guy | ud be suprised |
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| 07:36:10 | tehsmo | ack, my email to the list got pwned formatting-wise. :( |
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| 07:42:24 | H10guy | ok when i turn my rockbox i get a message simlar to the message u get if u put the .rockbox in the wrong dir, without tho the error -1 . I have done everything in the manual n i dont understand why it stopped workin after i upgraded |
| 07:44:50 | scorche | you havent put the rockbox.whatever file in the root of the device |
| 07:45:08 | H10guy | there is only 2 files |
| 07:45:14 | H10guy | the H10 bootlog file |
| 07:45:24 | H10guy | n the one that i extracted with the rockbox folder |
| 07:45:39 | H10guy | n i tried puttin the file both in the root dir n in the system dir |
| 07:46:28 | H10guy | i made copies of the file n folder just incase i had it in the wrong dir so i had all bases covered |
| 07:47:49 | tehsmo | where did the last 3 hours go ..wtf |
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| 09:41:50 | bun-bun | can anyone recommend a good tool for converting wav files to flac? under linux. |
| 09:42:34 | TheCollector | flac |
| 09:43:05 | TheCollector | or are you talking about batch jobs? |
| 09:43:15 | bun-bun | batch would be good, yes |
| 09:43:30 | TheCollector | personally, i use abcde for ripping CDs |
| 09:44:02 | TheCollector | hmm |
| 09:44:29 | TheCollector | bashburn will do what you want |
| 09:45:49 | bun-bun | thanks, i'll look into that |
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| 10:39:55 | JdGordon | anyone know the bes ay to clean a laptop display? |
| 10:40:07 | JdGordon | alcohol + tissue? |
| 10:40:25 | sid | JdGordon: microfiber cloth |
| 10:40:30 | sid | JdGordon: Like for sunglasses |
| 10:41:00 | daurnimator | water |
| 10:41:00 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 10:41:10 | daurnimator | na, use a damp tissue |
| 10:41:16 | daurnimator | don't press hard |
| 10:41:28 | daurnimator | and don't have enough moisture for it to drip |
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| 10:48:44 | frijolie | hey all |
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| 10:50:32 | frijolie | can anyone help me with a crashing 4G iPod? |
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| 10:52:06 | frijolie | guess that's a no |
| 10:52:37 | GodEater | crashing whilst running roxkbox ? |
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| 10:54:33 | frijolie | yes |
| 10:54:50 | frijolie | right now it's stuck playing a song..none of the buttons get a response |
| 10:54:54 | frijolie | and the backlight is stuck on |
| 10:55:02 | GodEater | hold down menu and select for about 10 seconds |
| 10:55:47 | frijolie | ok yeah that did it..i tried every other combo and nothing worked |
| 10:56:06 | frijolie | has anyone else noticed that they run a little hotter than with the Apple firmware? |
| 10:56:19 | frijolie | the backside is warm to the touch |
| 10:58:00 | frijolie | can we get color on these older grayscale 4G iPods with a firmware update? |
| 10:58:57 | frijolie | the Rockbox splash screen has color when it loads as does the USB graphic when I plug it in |
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| 11:02:32 | GodEater | that has got to be the dumbest question I've ever seen in here |
| 11:03:55 | nls_web | yeah, it definatley gets on the top ten :-D |
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| 11:18:52 | exca | llo |
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| 11:24:11 | exca | any news on the 2nd gen Nano ports? |
| 11:24:31 | GodEater | loads, we've been keeping it a secret |
| 11:26:52 | ydo | :)) |
| 11:26:58 | ydo | goodmorning all |
| 11:30:34 | exca | lol |
| 11:30:47 | exca | i want to help with it |
| 11:31:12 | GodEater | then get to work decrypting the firmware |
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| 11:31:35 | exca | fine, just want to know |
| 11:31:49 | exca | is it hexeditor to decrypt |
| 11:32:32 | GodEater | not really |
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| 11:33:17 | exca | ok. Ive done some programming/cracking with hexedit, that's prob not the way is it |
| 11:33:33 | exca | I also only get the device files |
| 11:33:53 | exca | i tought sysinfo could get me somethin |
| 11:33:56 | exca | 0bytes |
| 11:34:12 | GodEater | yeah - sysinfo isn't used anymore as far as I now |
| 11:34:16 | exca | and i don't really know to acces the firmware's partition |
| 11:34:19 | midkay | any wiki admins around? |
| 11:35:10 | exca | i can download it tough |
| 11:35:18 | exca | but anyway |
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| 11:36:58 | exca | fill the firmware with ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ123456789 and see what gets to the ARM |
| 11:37:23 | GodEater | how will you tell ? |
| 11:37:40 | exca | tell what |
| 11:37:42 | GodEater | and it's not an ARM either |
| 11:37:47 | GodEater | tell what got to the processor |
| 11:38:08 | exca | by filling the firmware with this |
| 11:40:46 | GodEater | why limit yourself to printable ascii ? |
| 11:42:57 | markun | GodEater: the nano 2g is not ARM based? |
| 11:43:19 | GodEater | well I'm assuming not. I should have said it's not PP based I suppose |
| 11:43:35 | GodEater | my bad |
| 11:43:52 | markun | it's an ARM CPU from Samsung |
| 11:44:01 | * | GodEater stands corrected |
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| 11:52:46 | exca | it's an arm... |
| 11:53:07 | exca | why limiting to ascii, well, it might be a start |
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| 12:47:14 | nls_web | AAAAAAARRRRRRGH! |
| 12:52:45 | ydo | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6215 I'm trying to work on this.. but I don't know anything.. trying to rtfs and gdb in the sim... |
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| 13:22:36 | Akatemik | Hi. Would anyone have an idea why my iRiver running rockbox mounts only in linux? If I attach it to a Windows computer I can see it in the device manager (even recognising that it has a fat partition) but it doesn't give it a drive letter. |
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| 13:23:17 | linuxstb | Which iriver? |
| 13:23:26 | Akatemik | H120 |
| 13:23:49 | linuxstb | Has it ever worked in Windows? |
| 13:24:19 | GodEater | How about if you right click on "My Computer", choose "Manage", and see if it shows up in "Disk Management" ? |
| 13:24:27 | Akatemik | Mm, it has, but not sure with this particular firmware. I don't own windows machines, so I don't test it that often |
| 13:24:35 | Akatemik | GodEater: Yeah, that's where I see it |
| 13:24:54 | Akatemik | But I can't access the files, as it doesn't "mount" it (whatever the term is in windows) |
| 13:25:42 | GodEater | you should be able to use disk management to change it's drive letter |
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| 13:26:08 | linuxstb | I would look at it with fdisk in Linux, and see if there's anything odd with the partition table that may be causing Windows problems. Have you ever reformatted or repartitioned it? |
| 13:26:37 | Akatemik | linuxstb: I have, in linux |
| 13:26:42 | Akatemik | GodEater: Let's see... |
| 13:27:30 | GodEater | assuming you have only one hard drive in your PC, that should show as "Disk 0" in Disk Management |
| 13:27:44 | GodEater | then the iRiver should show as "Disk 1" when you plug it in |
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| 13:28:01 | GodEater | which you can then right click on and choose "Change drive Letter and Paths" |
| 13:28:40 | Akatemik | GodEater: Greyed out |
| 13:28:50 | GodEater | curious |
| 13:28:57 | GodEater | but it does show it ? |
| 13:29:07 | Akatemik | I was looking into that same interface earlier, and couldn't find a way to mount it |
| 13:29:22 | Akatemik | Yes, it shows it. And says the correct size and that it's FAT |
| 13:29:37 | GodEater | this wouldn't be a work PC would it ? |
| 13:29:41 | ydo | regarding my issue #6215, neither the audiothread nor the playlistthread seems to be running.. |
| 13:29:46 | Akatemik | No, my father's laptop |
| 13:29:53 | GodEater | his personal one ? |
| 13:29:56 | Akatemik | Yeah |
| 13:30:10 | GodEater | and you're logged into it as a "Administrator" account ? |
| 13:30:14 | Akatemik | Yes |
| 13:30:35 | GodEater | well that pretty much rules out a policy that's in effect I guess |
| 13:30:37 | Akatemik | The hardware is ok, as I am able to mount it when booted into Knoppix |
| 13:30:38 | GodEater | would be most unusual |
| 13:31:04 | linuxstb | Akatemik: What is the partition type for the FAT partition? |
| 13:31:25 | Akatemik | The windows does say that "This device can work better if put into USB 2.0", but that can't be it, can it? |
| 13:31:31 | linuxstb | If you've set it to the default (Linux), then Linux wouild probably still mount it as FAT, but Windows will ignore it. |
| 13:32:00 | Akatemik | linuxstb: Hmm, good question. Is there a way to find out in windows, or do I boot into Knoppix? |
| 13:32:03 | linuxstb | Akatemik: Yes, that message is just nonsense. I get it on Windows PCs with no USB 2.0 ports... |
| 13:32:25 | GodEater | yeah it should still mount, you'll just get a sucky transfer rate |
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| 13:38:56 | nls_web | Akatemik: fdisk should tell you the partition type on windows |
| 13:39:50 | nls_web | or maybe I'm confused... |
| 13:40:43 | Akatemik | Oh, well, I'm already in Knoppix :) |
| 13:42:18 | nls_web | it shows in the disk manager in xp |
| 13:42:22 | Akatemik | Yep, the type is Linux |
| 13:42:33 | GodEater | that'll be the problem then :) |
| 13:42:36 | Akatemik | So, what's a good ID for fat |
| 13:42:47 | Akatemik | GodEater: Ugh, can't believe it. Why can't a fat be just fat? |
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| 13:43:19 | Akatemik | I thought it was just a name, to remind you what you are supposed to do with that partition |
| 13:43:23 | GodEater | 0B |
| 13:43:35 | GodEater | that seems to be the type to use |
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| 13:44:22 | Akatemik | GodEater: Hmm, W95. Will that work on macs? |
| 13:44:38 | GodEater | no idea - never owned / used one |
| 13:44:54 | Akatemik | There doesn't seem to be a generic type for FAT32, though |
| 13:45:38 | GodEater | 0b is the id used on my ipod's FAT32 partition |
| 13:45:45 | GodEater | and that mounts fine on both linux and windows |
| 13:45:51 | GodEater | don't have my iriver with me here |
| 13:45:56 | GodEater | but I'm convinced it's the same |
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| 13:49:42 | linuxstb | Yes, 0xb is right for FAT32. |
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| 13:52:01 | Akatemik | Works now in windows |
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| 13:52:51 | GodEater | excellent news |
| 13:53:08 | Akatemik | Thanks for the tip |
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| 13:53:54 | Akatemik | I wonder why Windows is so pricky about that |
| 13:55:02 | GodEater | windows is pricky about all sorts of things :) |
| 13:55:48 | JdGordon | anyone with an archos recorder around? |
| 13:56:17 | daurnimator | archos gmini 402? ;) |
| 13:56:33 | * | JdGordon got a new toy today :) |
| 13:56:40 | daurnimator | what? |
| 13:56:44 | daurnimator | so did i ;) |
| 13:56:46 | JdGordon | a lappy for uni |
| 13:56:54 | JdGordon | u? |
| 13:57:06 | daurnimator | camera i've been trying to get since august :D |
| 13:57:28 | JdGordon | nice |
| 13:57:40 | linuxstb | Akatemel: Windows _should_ be picky about that. You don't want it recognising and offering to reformat non-Windows partitions... |
| 13:57:45 | daurnimator | now i need to find things to take pics of |
| 13:57:52 | daurnimator | - i hae holidays on 2nd anyway |
| 13:58:02 | daurnimator | btw, we pwned england ;) |
| 13:58:16 | * | JdGordon thinks cricket sux |
| 13:58:19 | JdGordon | but yes we did |
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| 13:58:37 | linuxstb | If you can smoke whilst doing it, it's not a sport... |
| 13:59:00 | Akatemik | linuxstb: Except that now usb mass storage de facto standard is windows partitions, so how it OSX supposed to recognize between them and real windows partitions (and not to format those)? |
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| 13:59:10 | JdGordon | linuxstb: haha.. so true tho |
| 13:59:22 | daurnimator | so what is it? |
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| 14:00:26 | linuxstb | Akatemik: What do you mean by "real" windows partitions? |
| 14:01:10 | linuxstb | daurnimator: No idea... |
| 14:01:38 | ydo | is there any way I can ping threads? |
| 14:03:27 | Akatemik | linuxstb: Well, I guess everyone is using ntfs these days. Don't know if anyone would have a W98 on a intel mac to play old games |
| 14:03:35 | Akatemik | Anyways, thanks for the quick help! |
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| 14:27:05 | muesli__ | i know its possible to search for radio webstreams in winamp but cant find it anymore. any ideas where? |
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| 14:35:48 | JdGordon | amiconn: you there? |
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| 14:40:13 | H10guy | just a quick question, how long do u think utill there are stable versions of rockbox for non anchos players |
| 14:41:28 | GodEater | H10guy: we don't provide estimates |
| 14:41:47 | JdGordon | H10guy: depends on your definition of stable |
| 14:42:37 | JdGordon | scorche: ping? |
| 14:43:52 | ydo | #6215 I've been dissicating the issues of bug #6215 now, if someone with more knowledge of the code could take a look at it we can slay this beast.. |
| 14:43:54 | scorche | yes? |
| 14:44:05 | cd_rom | oh, i saw an article of rockbox in ipod in personal computer mag |
| 14:44:18 | JdGordon | scorche: hey, got a min to test a patch? |
| 14:44:21 | scorche | i do |
| 14:44:52 | scorche | i just woke up from failing to go to sleep |
| 14:44:58 | scorche | got up i suppose |
| 14:45:06 | GodEater | hate it when that happens |
| 14:45:14 | JdGordon | scorche: which target # (recorder?)? (soz i woke you if i did) |
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| 14:45:24 | scorche | you didnt |
| 14:45:30 | scorche | recorder v1 |
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| 14:46:02 | JdGordon | thats the regular recorder in the config script right? |
| 14:46:04 | scorche | aye |
| 14:46:10 | JdGordon | rockbox.ucl yeah? |
| 14:46:22 | scorche | nay |
| 14:46:35 | JdGordon | ajbbla? |
| 14:46:36 | Llorean | Rockbox.ucl runs compressed from Rom (decompresses to RAM, then executes, so it's just an alternate place to store the data) |
| 14:46:49 | * | JdGordon always gets them confused |
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| 14:46:55 | scorche | ucl is mainly used for flashing |
| 14:47:15 | scorche | JdGordon: i know...we go through this everytime you make something for my archos =P |
| 14:47:34 | JdGordon | scorche: youve got email.. can you test a-b mode please? (play+left/right to set the points) |
| 14:47:43 | JdGordon | and if that works which combo shuold rese the points? |
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| 14:50:01 | scorche | i see no mail |
| 14:50:03 | scorche | yet at least |
| 14:50:10 | amiconn | Play+Left/Right is impossible on the archos recorders+ |
| 14:50:13 | Llorean | JdGordon: Why do you need a combo to reset the points? |
| 14:50:13 | amiconn | -+ |
| 14:50:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: oh? thats whats in the manual... |
| 14:50:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: you dont, but the other targets with the buttons have.. |
| 14:51:13 | JdGordon | ok, in that case, which button should be used to set the points? (or shuold a-b be removed totally?) |
| 14:51:23 | amiconn | Sure you don't confuse it with On+Left/Right? |
| 14:51:57 | JdGordon | says play+r/r in the tracker comment |
| 14:51:57 | amiconn | A-B was a "recorder first", why should it be removed? |
| 14:52:26 | amiconn | I have no use for A-B myself so I can't say whether it works atm or not |
| 14:52:45 | JdGordon | well there is no actio set for it |
| 14:52:59 | JdGordon | does on+l/r work? ill change to that if that would |
| 14:55:45 | * | amiconn wonders why JdGordon doesn't just check the old code (from before before action) to find the correct combos :\ ?!??! |
| 14:55:58 | amiconn | *before button actions |
| 14:56:28 | JdGordon | because its 1am and im lazy and want to close another bug report |
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| 15:01:29 | KyleX | Hi all |
| 15:01:57 | daurnimator | ok |
| 15:01:59 | daurnimator | night |
| 15:02:11 | JdGordon | tata |
| 15:02:14 | KyleX | Is there anyone here that know where I can find screenshots of the "Rockbox" firmware in action on the F40? |
| 15:02:20 | KyleX | knows* |
| 15:02:35 | markun | KyleX: better ask people in #gigabeat |
| 15:02:51 | markun | Ah, that's not possible with the webclient |
| 15:02:51 | KyleX | Ok, thanks |
| 15:03:22 | KyleX | Meh, /join won't work |
| 15:03:26 | KyleX | -_- |
| 15:03:30 | markun | I know |
| 15:03:31 | markun | use another IRC client |
| 15:03:45 | markun | a different |
| 15:04:04 | KyleX | Kk, gona install MIRC |
| 15:04:17 | JdGordon | scorche: ok, try the new one in your email please, on+l/r and on+off to reset |
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| 15:05:58 | * | linuxstb can't cope with Mac OS X taking 3 minutes to mount his ipod... |
| 15:06:01 | KyleX | Ok, back |
| 15:06:20 | * | daurnimator can't cope |
| 15:06:22 | daurnimator | BOOM |
| 15:07:37 | JdGordon | ydo: I dont understand that bug.. does it crash if autoresumeing on boot if the file its trying to load was the one deleted? or even when restarting playback from the tree with the last file played the one delted? |
| 15:09:17 | ydo | JdGordon: if autoresume and the file is deleted it tries to play that file and fails.. and then.. if you choose another file, it "hangs" |
| 15:10:20 | daurnimator | has anyone investigated the zune? |
| 15:11:25 | ydo | JdGordon: it opens the new file, tries to load the codec, but read:ing with size=0, so there's an endless loop |
| 15:11:45 | ydo | JdGordon: have you read the comments I've made? |
| 15:11:51 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:12:31 | JdGordon | so why not just put a check i read() or before that call for copy_n == 0? |
| 15:12:49 | ydo | and set it to like 1000? :) |
| 15:13:01 | ydo | thats what I did in gdb.. |
| 15:13:38 | JdGordon | if (copy_n < 0) rc = -1; else rc = read(...) ... |
| 15:13:39 | ydo | the question is.. why is conf_filechunk == 0 |
| 15:13:58 | JdGordon | OH! you want to fix the actual problem..... |
| 15:14:02 | JdGordon | :p |
| 15:14:02 | ydo | yes! |
| 15:14:04 | ydo | :) |
| 15:15:29 | JdGordon | pondlife or JhMikeS prob would be able to help there.... |
| 15:15:33 | ydo | there are no calls to codec_configure_callback which set conf_filechunk before loading of the codec has been done |
| 15:15:38 | JdGordon | scorche: falen asleep at the keyboard? |
| 15:16:11 | ydo | none of them is here? |
| 15:16:17 | JdGordon | not atm... |
| 15:16:31 | JdGordon | how is audio_read_file() being called if the file wasnt opened? |
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| 15:17:21 | JdGordon | is there an open call not being checked somewhere? |
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| 15:19:10 | scorche | no...i was doing other things....works |
| 15:19:25 | JdGordon | no yukcy side effects with the buttons? |
| 15:19:37 | ydo | audio_new_playlist, audio_fill_file_buffer, audio_load_track |
| 15:19:56 | daurnimator | linuxstb: any new thoughts of yours on gmini? |
| 15:20:04 | scorche | i didnt test that throughly, but i didnt notice any |
| 15:20:11 | JdGordon | good enough for me :p |
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| 15:20:35 | AriX | linuxstb? |
| 15:20:37 | AriX | are you there? |
| 15:20:40 | linuxstb | daurnimator: No. I'm working on other things at the moment. |
| 15:20:43 | linuxstb | AriX: Yes. |
| 15:20:55 | daurnimator | ok |
| 15:20:55 | daurnimator | night |
| 15:20:57 | AriX | ok, can i talk to you for a minute in #temp? |
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| 15:31:13 | JdGordon | has somethig in the cvs build page changed? |
| 15:32:20 | linuxstb | Like what? |
| 15:32:30 | JdGordon | i dont know.... |
| 15:32:38 | JdGordon | less builds or something? |
| 15:32:45 | JdGordon | looks different :p |
| 15:32:55 | JdGordon | could be me being overtired tho :p |
| 15:33:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: it seems like it's been a bit different since the server problems (f.e. the timestamps missing the seconds) |
| 15:33:18 | linuxstb | The only change I know of is that www.rockbox.org now isn't doing any building itself. But that shouldn't affect how the page looks. |
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| 15:53:07 | AriX | g2g |
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| 16:05:34 | ferrarienzo | hi everyone i need help!! |
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| 16:07:48 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: You'll need to be more specific... |
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| 16:09:09 | DerPapst | is there anyway to access the old 5.5G thread in the New Ports section on the forum? |
| 16:09:25 | ferrarienzo | do you know how to install doom on rockbox?? it says wad missing |
| 16:09:51 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: See the manual and/or the PluginDoom wiki page. |
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| 16:10:08 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No, it's been removed as being out of date. |
| 16:10:16 | ferrarienzo | ive tried that i dont understand it |
| 16:10:31 | linuxstb | Which part don't you understand? |
| 16:10:52 | DerPapst | removed or deleted? i remeber Llorean said he has moved it and waits whether someone complaines |
| 16:11:04 | Llorean | What did you need from it? |
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| 16:11:10 | * | DerPapst starts complining |
| 16:11:11 | linuxstb | I think it's moved to somewhere no-one can see it... |
| 16:11:18 | DerPapst | good |
| 16:11:26 | DerPapst | can you access it? |
| 16:11:27 | ferrarienzo | the part where i put the wad in i have no idea where to put it |
| 16:11:45 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: It tells you exactly what folder to put the wad in... |
| 16:12:04 | ferrarienzo | i put it in E:\games\doom |
| 16:12:07 | Llorean | DerPapst: What did you need from the removed thread. |
| 16:12:09 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: In the root of your ipod (the same place as Calender, Notes, .rockbox, rockbox.ipod, create a folder called "Games". Inside that folder, create another folder called "Doom", and then put the wads in there. |
| 16:12:12 | DerPapst | Llorean: i need the informations about the mbr "hack" |
| 16:12:28 | ferrarienzo | then on rockbox i clicked doom and nothing happened |
| 16:12:35 | Llorean | DerPapst: There's a working install method, what did you need it for? |
| 16:12:51 | DerPapst | it's not for rockbox its for iPL |
| 16:13:01 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: You click doom from the "Browse Plugins" menu? |
| 16:13:09 | ferrarienzo | yep |
| 16:13:16 | ferrarienzo | still said wad missing |
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| 16:13:17 | Llorean | DerPapst: Why would iPL even need it, though? |
| 16:13:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: see - told you it was useful :( |
| 16:13:34 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: And you've put both rockdoom.wad, and a game .wad file there? Two .wads? |
| 16:13:45 | ferrarienzo | no i have only one |
| 16:13:53 | Llorean | Then you did not follow the full instructions. |
| 16:13:55 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: Read the instructions again... |
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| 16:14:09 | ferrarienzo | it only has one link and only one wad |
| 16:14:36 | DerPapst | someone dumped the flash rom on his 80GB iPod but he only was able to mount a ram partition and so he couldn't transfer it to the HD. |
| 16:14:40 | linuxstb | Yes, because we can't distribute the Doom wads. |
| 16:14:54 | GodEater | DerPapst: the thread won't help there |
| 16:14:58 | ferrarienzo | ok i have doom1.wad |
| 16:15:04 | DerPapst | Maybe with the modified mbr he can write the image to the hd |
| 16:15:08 | ferrarienzo | thats all i ahve |
| 16:15:12 | GodEater | DerPapst: doubt it |
| 16:15:20 | Llorean | DerPapst: Nobody was ever able to get any writing to work on the 80gb, I believe. |
| 16:15:45 | DerPapst | meh... |
| 16:15:46 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo: Then you didn't download the rockdoom.wad linked from the wiki page. |
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| 16:16:12 | ferrarienzo | could u give a like to the rockdoom.wad i never went to the wiki page |
| 16:16:32 | Llorean | DerPapst: "Meh" is irrelevant. I've moved the thread away because none of the information it contained was relevant to the 80gb effort, really, and all the irrelevant information would mislead users. I very deeply do not want that information showing up in searches. |
| 16:16:37 | GodEater | DerPapst: we're working on the assumption at the moment that the only way to get the rom off the 80GB is via audio |
| 16:16:40 | markun | ferrarienzo: then what is "< ferrarienzo> it only has one link and only one wad" all about?? |
| 16:16:41 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The mbr has nothing to do with the 80GB problems. Rockbox and IPL can't access the disk at all, not even to read the MBR. |
| 16:17:14 | DerPapst | okok |
| 16:17:26 | ferrarienzo | what you mean??? the page i was on had one link to download a wad nothing else |
| 16:17:34 | markun | ferrarienzo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 16:17:42 | linuxstb | The MBR is the first sector on the disk, so if we could read that, we should be able to read any sector. |
| 16:17:57 | ferrarienzo | ok thankyou |
| 16:18:06 | DerPapst | and "meh" wasn't meant to disgust you. sorry |
| 16:18:07 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: The manual specifically says to go to that page. |
| 16:19:01 | DerPapst | it was more something like "too bad that this will not work." |
| 16:19:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: What we need is a 5.5G 80gb owner who also has any other 1.8" drive based device. |
| 16:19:28 | GodEater | Llorean: such as ? |
| 16:19:34 | Llorean | GodEater: : In theory all they'd have to do is put the other 1.8" drive in, load up Rockbox, and dump the ROM contents using that. |
| 16:19:40 | * | DerPapst has a 40GB 3G iPod and a 80GB 5.5G iPod |
| 16:20:13 | Llorean | I mean, in theory the 1.8" drive swap should work as long as an iPod-appropriate partition table is created, right? |
| 16:20:13 | ferrarienzo | and does anyone know how to install ipod linux on 5.5g ipod sorry for asking |
| 16:20:14 | GodEater | Llorean: so a 30GB 5.5 would do ? |
| 16:20:39 | DerPapst | ferrarienzo: wrong channel but yes |
| 16:21:20 | Llorean | GodEater: The shell would have to be an 80gb 5.5G's shell, with the drive from something else. Another key would be to make sure the AUPD image is either not present, or marked as already flashed so that it doesn't overwrite the ROM. Preferably the only thing in the bootpartition portion should be a third party bootloader, or third party firmware, with no original apple content at all. |
| 16:21:21 | DerPapst | ferrarienzo: but iPL works only on HFS+ formatted iPods yet. so better don't do it |
| 16:21:34 | Llorean | DerPapst: This is untrue. |
| 16:21:48 | Llorean | DerPapst: iPL also works if you create an ext2 or ext3 partition to store the filesystem in. |
| 16:22:02 | GodEater | Llorean: so you're assuming that it *is* the drive that's broken |
| 16:22:13 | DerPapst | The kernel has problems mounting the ext2 partitiion |
| 16:22:17 | Llorean | GodEater: No, I'm developing a means to verify that it is the drive that's broken. |
| 16:22:23 | Llorean | DerPapst: It didn't in the past. Is this new? |
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| 16:22:33 | Llorean | DerPapst: Or is this a 5.5G only thing? |
| 16:22:42 | DerPapst | it's a 5.5G thing only |
| 16:22:44 | Llorean | Ah |
| 16:22:48 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't think IPL's 5.5g support is as complete as Rockbox yet. |
| 16:22:50 | Llorean | Quite strange. |
| 16:22:56 | GodEater | Llorean, but if it's not the drive that's broken - then you still wouldn't be able to write the ROM image out |
| 16:23:09 | GodEater | even if you swapped in another perfectly good 1.8" drive |
| 16:23:56 | Llorean | GodEater: Yes, but at that point we know that we need to start looking for actual hardware differences between the 30gb and the 80gb, beyond just the drive. |
| 16:24:25 | * | GodEater contemplates going out and buying another 1.8" device to help this effort out |
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| 16:24:55 | GodEater | how easy is it to dismantle the 5.5G ? Anyone know ? |
| 16:25:12 | GodEater | I don't really want to scratch it to buggery with a screwdriver... |
| 16:25:15 | DerPapst | maybe a defunct ipod (with an intact HD) will work |
| 16:25:35 | DerPapst | there are some pages that describe how to open a 5G |
| 16:25:39 | GodEater | DerPapst: don't know many places that sell those |
| 16:26:01 | GodEater | yeah - but I want to know from someone who's actually done it and see what the thing looks like afterwards |
| 16:26:03 | DerPapst | ebay at least ;) but they are still very expensive |
| 16:26:08 | Llorean | The concern then becomes "Can you replace drives in iPods easily" |
| 16:26:22 | GodEater | well it needs to be a ZIF drive too doesn't it ? |
| 16:26:24 | Llorean | I'd suggest looking things up to see if people have swapped out drives in iPods, and any special considerations need to be made. |
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| 16:26:43 | ferrarienzo | someone please tell me or send me a pm link on how to install ipodlinux on 5.5g |
| 16:26:54 | DerPapst | i'm trying to get a broken 3G ipod for ages... but they are always to expensive |
| 16:27:02 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: This is #Rockbox. This is not the right place to ask that question. |
| 16:27:22 | ferrarienzo | i know but ipl.com dosent have irc |
| 16:27:34 | GodEater | try #ipodlinux |
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| 16:29:23 | GodEater | well if anyone can suggest another 1.8" device besides another ipod I'm all ears |
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| 16:31:28 | Llorean | I'm not certain of any that have the ZIF drives. |
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| 16:31:53 | ferrarienzo | man there so much more stuff to do with thepsp |
| 16:32:37 | GodEater | well I found someone who did a drive swap in a 4G |
| 16:33:03 | Llorean | GodEater: 4Gs use standard connections, not ZIF though. |
| 16:33:16 | GodEater | I wouldn't know never seen inside any iPod |
| 16:33:38 | Llorean | The ZIF is new to the 5Gs I believe |
| 16:33:44 | ferrarienzo | ive found a guy who extended his 80gb to 120gb hdd i would have thought 80gb was enough |
| 16:34:26 | topbloke | not rockbox, but do you guys know any programs to transfer pictures and videos to ipod without itunes? |
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| 16:35:05 | Llorean | topbloke: You're asking for help with using the Apple_OS, somewhat silly in a channel dedicate to removing the need to ever use it. |
| 16:35:14 | topbloke | lol i know |
| 16:35:34 | GodEater | anyone have a pic of the zif connector so I know what I'm looking for ? |
| 16:35:49 | DerPapst | there are some programs for linux.. and there is a winamp plugin too.. but i've never used it |
| 16:35:51 | ferrarienzo | but rockbox isnt that great |
| 16:35:57 | * | GodEater is already googling incase anyone wondered |
| 16:36:08 | ferrarienzo | its just not the same as the apple os |
| 16:36:16 | Llorean | GodEater: http://www.ipodmods.com/shop/3014-hard-drive-disk-mk3008gal.html |
| 16:36:19 | ferrarienzo | someone should add video support in rockbox |
| 16:36:26 | topbloke | i hate the apple os |
| 16:36:30 | ferrarienzo | why |
| 16:36:32 | Genre9mp3 | ferrarienzo: 120GB 1,8' HDD? I don't think so.. |
| 16:36:42 | topbloke | stupid white screen all the time |
| 16:36:47 | ferrarienzo | i modded mine so it looks killer |
| 16:36:50 | topbloke | how |
| 16:36:53 | ferrarienzo | its blue |
| 16:36:57 | topbloke | no way! |
| 16:36:57 | bluey- | ipodwizard |
| 16:37:01 | ferrarienzo | yeah but rockbox is grey |
| 16:37:02 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: Yes, it's not the same as the Apple OS. Instead of being restricted to using software to make transfers, and only being able to play a limited selection of formats, we have significantly more freedom, and a much wider feature set. |
| 16:37:26 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: And Rockbox offers including themeing features so you can very drastically change how it looks. |
| 16:37:31 | topbloke | nah rockbox is great but just needs faster boot and longer battery life |
| 16:37:31 | ferrarienzo | feature set yeah wheres the video support??? |
| 16:37:34 | bluey- | don`t forget the bigger geek factor when using rockbox :) |
| 16:37:44 | Genre9mp3 | and rockbox isn't grey.... it's whatever you want it to be |
| 16:37:44 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: PluginMpegplayer. |
| 16:37:44 | ferrarienzo | yeah i used ipw |
| 16:37:51 | ferrarienzo | and i modded the strings |
| 16:37:51 | topbloke | o |
| 16:38:05 | topbloke | can u make the screen black? |
| 16:38:05 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: But, Rockbox is a MUSIC player, so the improved feature set relates to the MUSIC features primarily. Duh. |
| 16:38:14 | Llorean | This is not the channel for discussing how to mod the retail firmware. |
| 16:38:15 | ferrarienzo | shit maybe im think ROCKBOX ALL DA WAY NOW!!! |
| 16:38:46 | Llorean | But seriously, complaining about Rockbox because you don't actually know what it can do is kinda silly. |
| 16:38:57 | ferrarienzo | yeah sorry |
| 16:39:09 | ferrarienzo | is ipl better than rockbox? |
| 16:39:20 | tehsmo | topbloke: gnupod can transfer video, I don't know about pictures |
| 16:39:28 | topbloke | nah rockbox owns it |
| 16:39:41 | * | tehsmo has several videos on his 5G added with gnupod - google techtalks ftw. :) |
| 16:39:49 | ferrarienzo | so can rockbox do the gameboy aswell?? |
| 16:39:52 | topbloke | is that only for linux? |
| 16:39:56 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: iPL has a lot of features relating to gaming, and other software, but Rockbox has much better in the way of music features. |
| 16:40:02 | tehsmo | I think so |
| 16:40:07 | tehsmo | but it uses perl scripts to do its work |
| 16:40:13 | tehsmo | so it could probably run under cygwin as well |
| 16:40:18 | DerPapst | don't compare rockbox with iPL they have different goals |
| 16:40:23 | Llorean | DerPapst: Very different. |
| 16:40:26 | tehsmo | all it needs is for the ipod to be mounted somewhere |
| 16:40:32 | ferrarienzo | if u want music feature use apple os i dnt understand whats the diff between applemusic and rockbox music |
| 16:40:39 | tehsmo | then it edits its own xml database file (that it can generate from the iTunesDB) |
| 16:40:50 | tehsmo | then when you're done adding stuff it converts the xml format to iTunesDB |
| 16:40:54 | DerPapst | and btw: i don't like this page |
| 16:40:55 | DerPapst | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux |
| 16:41:08 | tehsmo | so it doesn't do anything that should be linux-specific, really |
| 16:41:08 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: Can you play Ogg/Vorbis in the Apple OS? Do you have Replaygain? A five-band parametric equalizer? Dithering control? Crossfeed? |
| 16:41:08 | DerPapst | the 3 last points |
| 16:41:25 | topbloke | and FADEout too |
| 16:41:43 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: Not to mention True Gapless, since the Apple version is *extremely* limited in how it works |
| 16:41:53 | ferrarienzo | ohk thats allota shit |
| 16:41:53 | bluey- | rockbox > better features but apple os has the better gui :( |
| 16:41:53 | DerPapst | i always thought that there is no competition between those projects |
| 16:42:16 | Llorean | DerPapst: We don't consider there to be competition either. |
| 16:42:19 | topbloke | i like the rockbox ui way better |
| 16:42:23 | linuxstb | Some users probably do though... |
| 16:42:23 | ferrarienzo | yeah im kinda upset that rockbox has a plain gui hope they do something bout it |
| 16:42:35 | Llorean | DerPapst: It is a wiki page, so anyone can edit it. Feel free to try to make it more balanced, perhaps simply showing what both have to offer rather than how it is now. |
| 16:42:39 | DerPapst | i would like to see the 3 last points removed. |
| 16:42:40 | ferrarienzo | then ill be in rockbox my whole ipod life |
| 16:42:52 | topbloke | try a theme |
| 16:42:54 | Llorean | DerPapst: The last point is true, though, isn't it? |
| 16:43:03 | Genre9mp3 | ferrarienzo: you can do something about the gui: change font, colours... insert a backdrop picture |
| 16:43:03 | DerPapst | it is |
| 16:43:05 | ferrarienzo | that just changed the font |
| 16:43:10 | bluey- | that won`t change the gui, just mask it a bit |
| 16:43:13 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: Remember, Rockbox is created by the users, for the users, feel free to improve the GUI all you want. |
| 16:43:13 | GodEater | Llorean: what are the limitations on Apple's gapless support of which you speak Llorean ? |
| 16:43:13 | DerPapst | maybe.. not shure |
| 16:43:21 | linuxstb | But aren't all the points true? |
| 16:43:24 | ferrarienzo | backdrop?/? how do i do that? |
| 16:43:56 | topbloke | apple tries to analyze every song for hours for gapless |
| 16:43:59 | Llorean | GodEater: I was led to understand that it didn't work reliably with MP3, and was based on a post-encoding scan of the files. |
| 16:44:03 | DerPapst | sure but but this poject has a lot more devs than iPodlinux |
| 16:44:08 | GodEater | seems to work fine with my albums |
| 16:44:09 | ydo | argh.. these start_play flags are driving me nuts |
| 16:44:14 | topbloke | yeah it scans the files all day |
| 16:44:20 | GodEater | only did the scan once when I imported them into itunes |
| 16:44:23 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Yes, that's one of the points... |
| 16:44:26 | GodEater | seems ok to me |
| 16:44:29 | topbloke | i never even let it |
| 16:44:42 | DerPapst | and iPodLinux is for Ipods only so it is absolutly clear that it doesn't support that many players |
| 16:44:52 | Llorean | GodEater: The scan though is post-encoding. It'll eat a gap even if it's intentionally at the end of a song, making intentional gaps on mostly gapless albums vanish. |
| 16:45:05 | Llorean | DerPapst: So, your complaint is that 'These facts are true, but I don't like them'? |
| 16:45:14 | DerPapst | kind of |
| 16:45:16 | DerPapst | :) |
| 16:45:20 | ferrarienzo | how do i inser a backdrop on rockbox? |
| 16:45:22 | GodEater | can't say I've noticed that but I'll take your word for it Llorean :) |
| 16:45:33 | Llorean | ferrarienzo: Read... The... Manual. |
| 16:45:36 | DerPapst | it sound like a competition |
| 16:45:41 | ferrarienzo | yes mam |
| 16:45:45 | Llorean | Sir. |
| 16:45:49 | DerPapst | ^^ |
| 16:45:49 | topbloke | lol |
| 16:45:56 | Llorean | As can be seen by my real name, I'm a Paul. |
| 16:46:11 | ferrarienzo | meh u can be paulina |
| 16:46:13 | ferrarienzo | lol |
| 16:46:39 | DerPapst | uhh... no? |
| 16:46:55 | * | DerPapst is afk |
| 16:47:29 | Llorean | DerPapst: Well, feel free to edit the page so that it reads in a way that sounds less competitive. Perhaps put in some strengths of iPodLinux, or a section such as "You should use Rockbox if you wish to..." and "You should use iPodLinux if you wish too..." helping to educate users as to better choose their firmware |
| 16:47:53 | GodEater | or, "You should use both if you really feel you must" ;) |
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| 16:54:59 | GodEater | might be cheaper if I just bought a 1.8" drive on it's own |
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| 16:57:23 | Llorean | I'm not sure if it's really worth the money, since the result may not be functionally useful in any way. |
| 16:57:58 | GodEater | it's not a huge investment though - they're like £50 |
| 16:58:29 | GodEater | certainly cheaper than investing in a whole new DAP which I'll then have to take apart anyway |
| 16:59:40 | Llorean | Are you sure it's a compatible ZIF drive? |
| 16:59:44 | GodEater | yep |
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| 17:00:00 | GodEater | http://www.span.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_504_1801 <−− looking there |
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| 17:00:17 | GodEater | ok - slightly over £50 for the ZIFs - but still not insanely expensive |
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| 17:02:32 | Llorean | The interesting thing is, the MK8010GAH is supposedly hardware identical to the MK8009GAH, but with Apple/Toshiba dual branding. |
| 17:03:28 | Llorean | The site I read said the 8009 can be used in the iPod 5.5G, and I'm curious if the 8010 has a different model number simply because of the branding, or if there really is something more sinister about it. |
| 17:03:48 | GodEater | you're getting suspicious in your old age :) |
| 17:03:55 | GodEater | I don't see an 8009GAH there anyway |
| 17:04:14 | GodEater | I'd have to get a smaller one - and was thinking of the 20GB - it's the cheapest, and has ample space for what we're intending |
| 17:04:21 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 17:04:25 | Llorean | I was just talking in general |
| 17:04:29 | Llorean | And the link you posted has the 8009 |
| 17:04:36 | Llorean | Â IMtg100Â |
| 17:04:47 | Llorean | Not available yet though |
| 17:04:55 | GodEater | so it does |
| 17:05:21 | GodEater | wow - it has the 100GB too :) |
| 17:05:30 | GodEater | now there's an upgrade worth having |
| 17:05:33 | Llorean | Oooh, hopefully that means an upcoming 50gb single platter. |
| 17:05:38 | GodEater | wonder when it'll become available |
| 17:05:44 | Llorean | I would very much like to make my H120 into an H150 |
| 17:05:57 | Llorean | 50 provides just enough for music plus things I like to have available at a moment's notice. |
| 17:06:18 | Soap | 50GB single platter in a case designed for dual platter = Bigger Battery! |
| 17:06:32 | GodEater | heh |
| 17:07:23 | * | Llorean still needs to get a new battery for his h120 |
| 17:07:23 | Lear | Ah, nice to have a Cygwin that runs at a decent speed... :) |
| 17:07:25 | GodEater | and the 100 is the same form factor as the 80 as well neat |
| 17:07:39 | GodEater | I need one of those for my H140 too |
| 17:07:45 | GodEater | it won't hold a charge at all anymore :( |
| 17:08:01 | Lear | Btw, anyone built the sim successfully recently? |
| 17:08:11 | GodEater | I built it last night |
| 17:08:15 | GodEater | that recent enough ? |
| 17:08:26 | Llorean | My 120 holds charge just fine, though it's about 85% of the lifetime it originally had, I think |
| 17:08:58 | GodEater | oh lord - mine was there for a long time |
| 17:09:00 | Lear | Should be. I get these strange compile errors though... |
| 17:09:04 | GodEater | then it just suddenly went to nothing |
| 17:09:13 | GodEater | I'd get maybe 30 minutes out of it now |
| 17:09:33 | GodEater | 192Kbps / VBR of similar quality MP3s |
| 17:09:36 | GodEater | in Rockbox of course :) |
| 17:12:33 | Lear | Odd. Just deleted apps.o from the build directory, and then it worked... |
| 17:14:06 | ElfQrin | I was wondering if I could learn how to find firmware on my iPod |
| 17:14:26 | DerPapst | learn? |
| 17:15:06 | GodEater | apparently the 100GB is going to be ATA-7 according to that page |
| 17:15:06 | ElfQrin | Im 12 dude.... |
| 17:15:14 | GodEater | anyone seen the specs for that yet ? |
| 17:15:15 | ElfQrin | so yes....learn is right |
| 17:15:33 | DerPapst | you don't have to learn it. you can use ipodpatcher to extract it. |
| 17:15:39 | GodEater | ElfQrin: it lives in the first partition on the ipod |
| 17:16:41 | ElfQrin | what is the website for that? |
| 17:16:54 | ElfQrin | how many partations are there on my ipod? one for the firmware and one for music? |
| 17:17:23 | DerPapst | yes |
| 17:17:43 | DerPapst | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
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| 17:19:31 | ElfQrin | so on 2nd gen ipod nanos...ipodpatcher won't work? |
| 17:19:42 | DerPapst | yes |
| 17:19:57 | DerPapst | if you hae a nano 2G you're out of luck |
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| 17:23:08 | ElfQrin | so no one knows how to crack firmware on 2nd gen nanos... |
| 17:23:18 | DerPapst | correct |
| 17:23:31 | GodEater | which someone told you yesterday |
| 17:24:11 | ElfQrin | so how to you find out...do you use dos or something? |
| 17:24:12 | ElfQrin | linux? |
| 17:24:29 | Llorean | Find out what? |
| 17:25:14 | ElfQrin | the way to crack 2nd gen nano firmware |
| 17:25:16 | ElfQrin | where do i start? |
| 17:25:31 | Llorean | Do you know anything about cryptography / software encryption? |
| 17:26:49 | ElfQrin | software encryption |
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| 17:28:53 | Llorean | You would have to come up with a way to extract the contents of the boot partition, which isn't too hard using DD on linux, or probably a small modification to ipodpatcher for windows. Then you'd need to separate the various images in it (firmware, flash, and any others) then come up with a plan for determining the method of encryption used and reversing it. It's *possible* that they'd use the same encryption as used on the flash images fo |
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| 17:30:33 | Soap | dd for windows works, did it last night. |
| 17:30:57 | DerPapst | Llorean: your text was a bit too long... it misses the end. |
| 17:31:32 | Llorean | Soap: I've had varying degrees of luck with dd for windows. |
| 17:31:50 | Llorean | DerPapst: What was the last word or two? |
| 17:31:56 | DerPapst | used on the flash images fo |
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| 17:32:15 | Soap | Llorean: \Device\Harddisk4\Partition0 didn't work |
| 17:32:18 | | Nick KyleX is now known as KyleX-AFK (n=KyleX@ACBC81A3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 17:32:43 | Soap | had to \\?\Device\Harddisk4\DR103 |
| 17:32:53 | Soap | which is the name I got from −−scan |
| 17:33:42 | Febs | linuxstb: if I want to upgrade my ipod to the new bootloader, do I need to restore to the original state first, or can I go through the bootloader installation procedure with my current (Rockbox) bootloader? |
| 17:35:13 | DerPapst | Soap: its spmething like \\.\physicaldriveX and x is the number ipodpatcher gives you |
| 17:35:43 | Soap | DerPapst: talking about dd, not ipodpatcher. |
| 17:35:53 | DerPapst | me too... |
| 17:35:58 | Llorean | DerPapst: The remainder was: " for other iPods, though no guarantee, so a start could be made reverse engineering a ROM image from an iPod, I suppose." |
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| 17:36:17 | Llorean | Febs: It's best to restore a backed up bootpartition.bin |
| 17:36:18 | Soap | DerPapst: and that didn't work in windows. |
| 17:36:57 | Febs | Which I did not save, despite the fact that I should know better. |
| 17:37:04 | Soap | what model Febs ? |
| 17:37:09 | Febs | 60GB video. |
| 17:37:16 | Soap | one sec |
| 17:37:35 | DerPapst | i did it 2 days ago. dd if='\\.\physicaldriveX' of=bootpartition.bin |
| 17:37:59 | Soap | on a nano 2G? |
| 17:38:25 | Soap | I had to explicitly call out the block size and count |
| 17:38:26 | Soap | dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk4\DR103 of=nan2g.bin bs=2048 count=48257 |
| 17:38:32 | DerPapst | Febs: read the last piont: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters |
| 17:38:43 | Soap | febs, one second while I zip this up. |
| 17:39:09 | Llorean | Febs: Does ipodpatcher N -l work properly? |
| 17:39:21 | DerPapst | So you can download the firmware from apple and dd it to your ipod |
| 17:39:45 | Soap | my way is easier for Febs |
| 17:39:46 | Febs | I haven't yet tried. |
| 17:40:02 | Febs | Soap: I appreciate it. |
| 17:40:23 | Soap | 2 minutes left to compress. slow machine |
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| 17:40:56 | DerPapst | Soap: Sure but this is a more legal way to do it ;) |
| 17:41:09 | linuxstb | Febs: The new ipodpatcher should work fine with an already modified firmware partition. But you may want to keep a backup of the current contents, just in case. Use ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition-safe.bin |
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| 17:41:52 | linuxstb | If you had a backup, I would have said to restore it, but it can't hurt to try... |
| 17:42:05 | Febs | :) |
| 17:42:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was gonna say, as long as −−list worked, I'd imagine it'd be fine |
| 17:42:46 | DerPapst | Febs: The firmware for a 5G iPod. Rename it to zip and extract it. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-2788.20061206.nS1yA/iPod_13.1.2.1.ipsw |
| 17:43:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: The only time I would say a restore is required is for the 5.5gs, if people had used the unofficial (and buggy) ipod_fw to add the bootloader. |
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| 17:43:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: Gotcha. |
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| 17:44:13 | linuxstb | DerPapst: On that Apple page, is there only one firmware for the 5g and 5.5gs ? |
| 17:44:34 | DerPapst | here you can get all verions: http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/com.apple.jingle.appserver.client.MZITunesClientCheck/version |
| 17:45:07 | DerPapst | and here is the list for the firmware names: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Firmware#Firmware_updates |
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| 17:46:19 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Ah, so it's the same firmware for both the 30GB and 80GB 5.5g? |
| 17:46:33 | linuxstb | Which would pretty much confirm the flash contents are the same... |
| 17:47:38 | DerPapst | yes |
| 17:47:43 | Soap | was not jeffb (him or someone else?) seeing differences between the 30GB and 80GB extracted bootpartions he had been given yesterday? |
| 17:47:55 | GodEater | not boot partitions |
| 17:48:02 | GodEater | he was looking at the dumped flash content |
| 17:48:34 | DerPapst | he searched someone who can dump the flash from his/her 30GB 5.5G ipod |
| 17:48:35 | Llorean | The loader could be intelligent. |
| 17:49:08 | GodEater | Llorean: very true |
| 17:49:15 | Llorean | Seems unlikely though |
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| 17:49:47 | GodEater | oooh oooh oooh |
| 17:49:51 | GodEater | is amiconna awake ? |
| 17:50:01 | * | GodEater prods him with a stick |
| 17:50:55 | GodEater | the ATA-7 spec has loads of extra info on the bits we saw in the features that we didn't know about |
| 17:50:58 | Febs | Might work better if you prod amiconn. |
| 17:51:24 | Febs | ;) |
| 17:52:04 | GodEater | you going to pick on me for every single typo ? |
| 17:52:06 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:53:07 | Cazov | yse |
| 17:53:09 | Cazov | yes* |
| 17:54:34 | GodEater | I think we're using the wrong ATA command to read from the 80G's disk |
| 17:55:06 | GodEater | there looks like there's a new command in ATA-7 called READ STREAM PIO |
| 17:55:19 | GodEater | and if I'm reading the feature dump right - the disk has been set into streaming mode |
| 17:55:36 | Febs | The bootloader update worked perfectly. |
| 17:56:00 | GodEater | crap time for me to head home |
| 17:56:05 | GodEater | I'm going to look at this as soon as I get in |
| 17:56:10 | Soap | not after a tease like that GodEater . |
| 17:56:21 | Soap | you will stay where you are and continue! |
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| 17:57:00 | GodEater | be home in less than half an hour |
| 17:57:00 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:57:22 | DerPapst | thats too slow |
| 17:57:28 | DerPapst | ;) |
| 17:57:36 | GodEater | patience is a virtue :P |
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| 17:57:51 | habana | any MS vista lover ? just seen a lovely pict :) http://linuxfr.org/images/dessins/le_piege_vista.jpg |
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| 17:58:17 | * | DerPapst don't speak frensh |
| 17:58:39 | Llorean | I'm gonna try out Vista on a laptop, I think. |
| 17:58:47 | Cazov | I think it says something along the lines of "Vista locks you up with "Bubba"" |
| 17:58:54 | DerPapst | my pc is too slow for vista ;) |
| 17:59:17 | Llorean | DerPapst: I recently received a warranty replacement laptop that came with a "Free copy of Windows Vista Home Premium when it is available" |
| 17:59:23 | habana | Cazov: yes this kind of thing |
| 17:59:43 | Llorean | Since I don't have to pay for it, and it'll be on a computer I primarily use for word processing and internet, I can't see it getting in the way too much. |
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| 18:00:06 | habana | for english readers see badvista.org |
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| 18:04:11 | DerPapst | Llorean: i can et it for free too. from my university. |
| 18:05:13 | DerPapst | -et |
| 18:05:29 | * | DerPapst can't type anymore |
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| 18:06:19 | Febs | Llorean: I think that you underestimate MicroSoft's ability to write things that get in the way. |
| 18:06:40 | Llorean | DerPapst: It'd cost me $5 to get from mine, for media expenses (I don't know where they manage to buy $5 DVDs...) |
| 18:08:05 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 18:08:14 | Llorean | Febs: Honestly, I'd already given up on the warranty program ever agreeing to replace my laptop (due to the nature of the problem, it qualified for free replacement of a part, but never the computer) and had purchase a replacement laptop, so the computer is entirely superfluous. |
| 18:14:09 | habana | I think its the first time i dont see Bagder online here ^^ |
| 18:14:35 | habana | are there sansa users ? |
| 18:15:49 | Llorean | You can't really "use" it yet... |
| 18:16:07 | markun | you can, just not with rockbox |
| 18:16:16 | Llorean | Well, yeah, but this is #Rockbox |
| 18:16:25 | Digamma | I am a sansa user |
| 18:16:34 | Digamma | e250 |
| 18:16:38 | Digamma | yourself? |
| 18:16:58 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:16:58 | habana | too |
| 18:17:47 | habana | mainly use it with tetrisa rom |
| 18:18:07 | habana | did you test latest patch for keys on games ? |
| 18:19:37 | habana | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=e200&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0 |
| 18:20:35 | Digamma | I havent actually loaded up my sansa up with Rockbox yet |
| 18:20:45 | Digamma | kinda worried |
| 18:20:51 | Digamma | Still no audio? |
| 18:20:59 | habana | waiting for fully comaptible ? |
| 18:21:08 | habana | still no |
| 18:21:11 | Digamma | Yeah |
| 18:21:25 | Digamma | I am kinda leery on playing with a version that is not completly stable |
| 18:21:30 | Digamma | Is there dualboot? |
| 18:21:52 | habana | yes |
| 18:21:53 | Llorean | If you're gonna wait for "Completely stable" you'll never upgrade. |
| 18:22:11 | habana | the main problem is you force shutdown to stop rockbox (atm) |
| 18:22:45 | Digamma | How hard is it to revert to the old Firmware (well the hacked version I have) |
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| 18:23:23 | mofonyx | hi |
| 18:23:30 | habana | very easy if you keep all you r firmwares |
| 18:23:31 | Digamma | YO |
| 18:23:45 | Digamma | (Sorry caps was on, didn't notice) |
| 18:23:58 | mofonyx | was wondering, how am I to transfer *.flac from Computer −−-> Rockbox'd iPod? |
| 18:23:58 | mofonyx | using iTunes? |
| 18:24:20 | linuxstb | Just drag and drop the files. |
| 18:24:20 | Llorean | iTunes probably doesn't recognize FLAC. |
| 18:24:24 | mofonyx | yeah that's what i kinda .. figured .. and.. |
| 18:24:26 | mofonyx | just drag & drop? |
| 18:24:34 | linuxstb | No, iTunes doesn't think your ipod can play flac - tell Apple.... |
| 18:24:37 | mofonyx | hahaha |
| 18:24:44 | mofonyx | so drag & drop would do |
| 18:24:44 | Digamma | habana, are you still there? |
| 18:24:52 | linuxstb | yes |
| 18:24:53 | habana | yes |
| 18:24:55 | mofonyx | thanks ;) |
| 18:25:00 | Digamma | habana, are there any video codecs for Rockbox? |
| 18:25:36 | habana | mpeg reader in progress, i think. look on hte wiki -> plugins |
| 18:25:49 | habana | not actually for sansa |
| 18:25:49 | Digamma | What about for the Sansa? |
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| 18:26:13 | GodEater | how'd I do for time ? |
| 18:26:26 | linuxstb | mpegplayer is for all Rockbox targets with colour LCDs. So if it's not working on the Sansa, it will do (when someone does the necessary). |
| 18:26:44 | habana | ive seen 30 fps ! |
| 18:26:46 | * | Soap stops tapping his foot. |
| 18:26:55 | GodEater | :) |
| 18:26:55 | habana | if its true, mmm :) |
| 18:27:03 | Digamma | cool! |
| 18:27:10 | Digamma | Much better than MOV |
| 18:27:25 | Soap | MOV is a container is it not? |
| 18:27:48 | Digamma | .mov, apple video format |
| 18:27:48 | linuxstb | Isn't it the quicktime container? |
| 18:27:52 | | Part DerPapst |
| 18:27:53 | Digamma | yep |
| 18:27:59 | Cazov | blech... mov |
| 18:28:46 | habana | on OF sansa -> VideoFmts=Motion JPEG B(MOV |
| 18:29:17 | linuxstb | What fps does the OF manage? |
| 18:29:24 | habana | 15 |
| 18:29:28 | linuxstb | (and with what audio ?) |
| 18:29:42 | habana | coudnt tell |
| 18:29:44 | amiconn | GodEater: 'course I am awake at this time of day |
| 18:30:02 | * | amiconn was out, shopping fireworks :) |
| 18:30:46 | amiconn | GodEater: I didn't expect the disk to be ata-7 |
| 18:31:19 | amiconn | I presume streaming mode can be disabled? |
| 18:31:25 | habana | linuxstb: look at the creation profile for sansa OF compatible cant find audio quality |
| 18:31:25 | habana | http://dormrf.free.fr/blog/index.php/2006/11/13/174-profil-de-conversion-du-sansa-media-converter-smc-pour-sansa-serie-e200 |
| 18:33:00 | habana | MP3 | audiobitrate= |DefaultAudioBitrate= |
| 18:34:56 | mofonyx | is there an initial charge time for a new iPod? i.e. charging it for 10 hours or something? |
| 18:35:10 | mofonyx | or just until it says it's fully charged. |
| 18:35:25 | GodEater | amiconn, looking at doing that right now |
| 18:35:25 | GodEater | it says you can |
| 18:35:25 | GodEater | I think |
| 18:35:26 | linuxstb | habana: That looks like uncompressed audio at 11.025KHz... |
| 18:35:30 | GodEater | you have to issue a 43h command in set features |
| 18:35:35 | GodEater | and set the value to 0 I think |
| 18:35:45 | amiconn | GodEater: A properly working ata hard reset would do wonders... |
| 18:36:17 | GodEater | put it on your xmas list for next year :) |
| 18:39:09 | GodEater | amiconn, do you have a copy of the ATA-7 spec ? |
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| 18:44:52 | GodEater | hmm |
| 18:45:06 | GodEater | I think I may have jumped the gun a bit here |
| 18:45:11 | GodEater | I think the streaming *is* disabled |
| 18:45:14 | GodEater | BUT |
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| 18:45:28 | GodEater | some of the other words which had no meaning in ATA-6 do have useful info in them |
| 18:45:34 | GodEater | like word 106 |
| 18:46:20 | GodEater | which indicates there are multiple logical sectors per physical sector |
| 18:46:52 | GodEater | and word 117 |
| 18:48:08 | GodEater | that seems to suggest 256 words per logical sector |
| 18:48:40 | * | linuxstb watches and listens to elephants dream |
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| 18:49:19 | amiconn | GodEater: Yes, which equals 512 bytes, the default sector size of a harddisk |
| 18:49:51 | amiconn | However, word 106 indicates 2 logical sectors per physical sector, i.e. physical sectors of this disk are 1024 bytes |
| 18:50:40 | amiconn | Doesn't make too much sense to me yet, as the reported number of sectors matches the disk size (80GB) when calculating based on 512 byte sectors |
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| 18:52:59 | GodEater | I think that's right though - they wouldn't change the reported number of sectors bit away from 512 byte sectors where they are currently as that would break backwards compatibility I think |
| 18:53:40 | GodEater | also I think you're wrong |
| 18:53:49 | GodEater | only bit 0 of 106 is set |
| 18:54:11 | GodEater | which means 2 ^ 0 logicals per physical |
| 18:54:18 | GodEater | which means 1 to 1 |
| 18:54:30 | GodEater | though WHY you'd say that is beyond me |
| 18:57:07 | amiconn | I'm reading this as that bit 0..3 define x, so x = 1, and 2^x = 2 |
| 18:58:08 | GodEater | my copy of the spec says bit 0 makes X 0, bit 1 makes it 1, bit 2 makes x =2, and bit 3 makes x =3 |
| 18:58:55 | linuxstb | That seems an inefficient encoding... |
| 18:59:08 | GodEater | it's what it says though |
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| 19:01:15 | GodEater | this claims to be revision 3a of the spec |
| 19:02:14 | amiconn | I have revision 4b |
| 19:02:39 | amiconn | It says nothing about how x is encoded |
| 19:02:49 | amiconn | (in the IDENTIFY DEVICE table)+ |
| 19:03:01 | GodEater | it's not in the table |
| 19:03:04 | GodEater | it's further down |
| 19:03:21 | GodEater | under the detailed explanation of the word content |
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| 19:04:07 | webguest34 | Can anyone tell me how to get the iTunes playlist to work for Rockbox? |
| 19:04:18 | linuxstb | Export them to standard .m3u playlists. |
| 19:04:28 | linuxstb | (I don't know how to do that though...) |
| 19:04:36 | webguest34 | hello? |
| 19:04:40 | pixelma | linuxstb: re. elephants dream... is that on an ipod? |
| 19:04:41 | webguest34 | how |
| 19:05:09 | amiconn | Bits (3:0): 0 = 2^0 = 1 logical sector per physical sector |
| 19:05:09 | amiconn | Bits (3:0): 1 = 2^1 = 2 logical sector per physical sector |
| 19:05:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 19:05:09 | amiconn | Bits (3:0): 2 = 2^2 = 4 logical sector per physical sector |
| 19:05:09 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:05:09 | amiconn | Bits (3:0): 3 = 2^3 = 8 logical sector per physical sector |
| 19:05:14 | webguest34 | ? |
| 19:05:15 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, but it should work (slowly...) on all targets. |
| 19:05:54 | linuxstb | I'm not using the COP yet either, but I now have a separate video thread which I'm ready to try running on the COP. |
| 19:05:54 | GodEater | so you agree then amiconn - having bit zero set means 1 logical per physical ? |
| 19:05:56 | amiconn | On archo it's not slow, and also with sound ;P |
| 19:06:04 | amiconn | Nope |
| 19:06:08 | linuxstb | It's also not in colour :) |
| 19:07:14 | pixelma | but on mine it's visible even without backlight ;) |
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| 19:14:48 | * | goffa wonders the eta of rockbox for the gigabeat to the main tree |
| 19:14:58 | goffa | don't know if they submitted it yet |
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| 19:25:38 | markun | goffa: they (me) didn't yet |
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| 19:27:32 | dan_a | lostlogic: Around? |
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| 19:42:40 | [IDC]Dragon | ba, I missed GodEater |
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| 19:43:02 | PaulPosition | tough luck, it was a matter of minutes.. :( |
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| 19:43:51 | [IDC]Dragon | he was looking for an ATA7 spec, I recently found one after lots of googling |
| 19:44:41 | PaulPosition | [IDC]Dragon - Might be back soon, perhaps you should post anyway and hope he reads the logs. |
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| 19:45:52 | PaulPosition | see? :p |
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| 19:50:20 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon, sup ? |
| 19:50:35 | GodEater | oh - I found the spec anyway |
| 19:50:35 | GodEater | :) |
| 19:50:45 | GodEater | but thanks |
| 19:53:34 | PaulPosition | Are the .cfg files exported through 'manage settings->save .cfg file' (or whatever the actual name) complete, including default settings and such? Or are some things only added to it when you actively set them from the menu? |
| 19:54:28 | PaulPosition | (might have a try at writing some php stat page, it may help gauge good values for default settings..) |
| 19:54:45 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The ATA-7 specs (latest draft afaics) are easily downloadable from t13.org |
| 19:55:00 | GodEater | I'm not sure I'd use the word "easy" |
| 19:55:10 | GodEater | I couldn't bloody find them there - that site is an nightmare to navigate |
| 19:58:28 | Llorean | PaulPosition: I believe all user-settable settings are included in the file. |
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| 19:59:25 | PaulPosition | Llorean - It would look like it, at least there's a good lot of them. Thanks. |
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| 20:26:42 | [IDC]Dragon2 | sorry for being afk |
| 20:26:58 | [IDC]Dragon2 | for the record, ata spec: |
| 20:27:01 | [IDC]Dragon2 | http://www.perisoft.net/engineer/ata7.pdf |
| 20:27:37 | [IDC]Dragon2 | I think this leaked in public webspace, for those you normally have to pay |
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| 20:30:35 | jeffb | sweet |
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| 20:31:02 | jeffb | [IDC]Dragon2 are you also working on the 80gb ipod issue? |
| 20:31:26 | [IDC]Dragon2 | no, I was looking for LBA48 |
| 20:31:31 | jeffb | ah |
| 20:32:00 | [IDC]Dragon2 | gotta leave now, cu |
| 20:32:07 | jeffb | cu |
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| 20:56:37 | blameless | so if my ipod is seizuring and rebooting over and over with rockbox error -1 is there an easy way to fix that? |
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| 21:00:10 | GodEater | yeah, do the install properly |
| 21:00:24 | GodEater | and make sure you've unzipped the daily build onto the ipod |
| 21:00:58 | blameless | i fixed it, thanks |
| 21:01:13 | GodEater | good news :) |
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| 21:03:00 | blameless | yeah, i knew i screwed up the install. i just couldn't figure out the emergency disk mode but now all is well :) |
| 21:03:48 | tical2k | ahhh i now REOWN an ipod... last 2 days kinda sucked haha |
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| 21:09:47 | Soap | are you the person who thought it got stolen when daddy failed to lock the car? |
| 21:09:56 | tical2k | haha yeah |
| 21:10:18 | tical2k | i used gift certificates and whatnot to get another one |
| 21:10:52 | tical2k | im still very interesting in modifying the apple flash to effectively put a "lock" on an ipod... |
| 21:10:55 | tical2k | but |
| 21:11:13 | tical2k | i believe you... or somebody else pointed out that would be a bad idea |
| 21:11:26 | Soap | yea, lots of us chimed in to say how bad that would be. |
| 21:11:41 | tical2k | yeah |
| 21:12:03 | tical2k | apple... since they have the workings of the ipod understood... should make one |
| 21:12:10 | Soap | You would be pioneering the research into flash modification. Which is cool, but one false move and you have a brick. |
| 21:12:32 | tical2k | can we dump the code from the flash? |
| 21:12:48 | Soap | yes |
| 21:13:00 | tical2k | is it at all understood? |
| 21:13:17 | tical2k | or all encrypted or some other obscurity? |
| 21:13:26 | Soap | that I don't know. |
| 21:14:24 | tical2k | i got nothing to do... i'll at least look into it |
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| 21:15:02 | tical2k | i got a few colleagues interested in it as well... but most likely wont go anywhere |
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| 21:53:21 | linuxstb | dan_a: Any progress with your kernel-on-COP commit? |
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| 21:55:19 | dan_a | linuxstb: No, none yet. It's all working except I can't us RoLo and still be in control of the coprocessor |
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| 21:56:46 | linuxstb | I wouldn't say that's a show-stopper though. RoLo isn't very useful on the PP targets anyway at the moment. |
| 21:57:05 | Llorean | But... but... it can load iPL... :-P |
| 21:57:44 | linuxstb | But any ipl apps that use the COP probably don't work... |
| 21:58:03 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 21:58:17 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'm also not at the computer a lot at the moment. |
| 21:58:42 | dan_a | And getting the COP working properly will probably make RoLo useful... |
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| 22:01:21 | dan_a | I take it that we're getting to the point where MpegPlayer needs the COP? There appear to be memory bandwidth issues (see amiconn's comments in the IRC log) - will those present a problem? |
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| 22:02:20 | linuxstb | dan_a: OK, no problem. And yes, proper COP handling should hopefully make RoLo useful. |
| 22:02:20 | linuxstb | I only asked because I'm working on audio in mpegplayer, and am about to try running the video thread on the COP. I'll just use the patches in the patch tracker then, |
| 22:02:20 | linuxstb | I'm surprised to be getting around 10fps with audio without using the COP. |
| 22:02:37 | tehsmo | wee, new headphones. ^_^ |
| 22:02:40 | Llorean | 10fps on what target? |
| 22:03:16 | linuxstb | On my Photo. 160x128 video was about 11.5fps, and 224x176 was around 8fps IIRC. |
| 22:03:51 | Llorean | I wonder how much COP will affect it. |
| 22:03:56 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, it definitely needs the COP. So we'll see how it helps... |
| 22:06:40 | linuxstb | dan_a: Should I use your kernel_on_cop_5.diff patch, or do you know if lostlogic's is better? All I need to do is start one of my own threads on the COP. |
| 22:08:06 | dan_a | linuxstb: Lostlogic's will be closer to what will be commited, I think (there is a bug in mine in that the current_tick is cached on each CPU - not good!) |
| 22:08:41 | linuxstb | OK. Do you know if it is safe to yield() in my thread? |
| 22:08:47 | linuxstb | (and/or sleep) ? |
| 22:09:24 | tical2k | alright.... im interested in helping out the video cause.... i know how to code.... but im unfamiliar with the rockbox development process anyone want to cue me in? |
| 22:09:59 | dan_a | linuxstb: As far as I know, it should be. I think it was the current_tick bug that was causing problems there. |
| 22:10:15 | linuxstb | OK, I'll keep my yields there for now and see what happens. |
| 22:10:44 | dan_a | On the subject of the COP, have you got any ideas for what we may want to use the FIQ for? |
| 22:11:09 | linuxstb | tical2k: There are lots of docs in the wiki. Start with compiling Rockbox yourself from source, and then dig in and start coding... |
| 22:11:16 | tical2k | ok |
| 22:11:42 | tical2k | cant seem to find the mpeg player in the cvs tree though haha |
| 22:12:17 | linuxstb | dan_a: Why would we want it for anything? You could move the audio FIQ handler to the COP, and that might free up a few more cycles on the main CPU, but probably nothing noticable. |
| 22:12:28 | linuxstb | tical2k: apps/plugins/mpegplayer/ |
| 22:12:45 | tical2k | ah |
| 22:12:58 | tical2k | oops didnt see that subdirectory |
| 22:12:58 | tical2k | thanks |
| 22:13:17 | dan_a | linuxstb: Because it's there! |
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| 22:15:21 | jesse | I have a question: does Rockbox add support for any Linux filesystems? |
| 22:15:44 | sid | ok, I'm about to take my iPod I bought from shopnbc to walmart to see if they'll give me cash for it. |
| 22:15:54 | dan_a | jesse: No, only FAT |
| 22:15:56 | sid | But all the crap I got, I'm not sure what actually came in the 5g box for the ipod |
| 22:16:16 | sid | It's the iPod, the charger usb cable, headphones instructions etc, and that's it? |
| 22:16:47 | tical2k | jesse: no.. and never will |
| 22:17:04 | tical2k | i think its in the "nodo" list |
| 22:17:06 | tical2k | fat32 only |
| 22:17:11 | jesse | Alright, why not? Is it even possible? |
| 22:17:25 | tical2k | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo |
| 22:17:30 | sid | Does anything else come in the box I'm missing? |
| 22:17:51 | tical2k | you should have a "case" |
| 22:17:55 | tical2k | as well |
| 22:18:01 | sid | o yea, that thin case |
| 22:18:02 | jesse | Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:18:12 | sid | thanks tical2k |
| 22:18:21 | linuxstb | tical2k: That "NoDo" is very old. Now that Rockbox runs from flash (fully replacing the original firmware) on some targets, there is no technical reason why Rockbox couldn't support other filesystems. |
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| 22:18:45 | tical2k | ok |
| 22:18:46 | tical2k | haha |
| 22:18:47 | tical2k | oops |
| 22:18:53 | tical2k | told him wrong :-P |
| 22:19:19 | linuxstb | But it's still a "no-do" for most developers - no-one wants to implement a new filesystem... |
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| 22:19:21 | tical2k | yeah |
| 22:19:27 | tehsmo | sid: also the dock adapter, a little plastic piece |
| 22:19:30 | tical2k | it would be tedious... and... why do it? |
| 22:19:35 | tical2k | oh yeah and a sticker |
| 22:19:36 | tical2k | haha |
| 22:19:43 | tehsmo | indeed, the apple stickers |
| 22:20:03 | sid | Does a headphone to headphone wire(aux2aux) come with it? |
| 22:20:07 | sid | Or did that come with the speakes? |
| 22:20:10 | sid | speakers* |
| 22:20:17 | tical2k | speakers i would think |
| 22:20:19 | linuxstb | sid: I'm sure it came with the speakers. |
| 22:20:38 | tical2k | oh... it also came with 2 headphone pads |
| 22:20:43 | tical2k | 2 sets of 2 that is |
| 22:21:17 | sid | linuxstb: k |
| 22:21:50 | sid | I have some little plastic thing |
| 22:22:12 | sid | I'm not sure what it is, a shit thing that looks like it could go on the bottom of the ipod |
| 22:22:12 | sid | or something |
| 22:22:14 | sid | Is that the dock adapter? |
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| 22:23:16 | tehsmo | yeah, probably |
| 22:23:22 | tical2k | if you're returning stuff.... they dont care about the little trinkets... at least at best buy |
| 22:23:35 | tical2k | because i bought an ipod today and it didnt have half the crap in it |
| 22:23:44 | tical2k | it was an "open box" one |
| 22:23:47 | sid | tical2k: Will they give cash back without a receipt at bestbuy? |
| 22:24:00 | tical2k | i dunno... |
| 22:24:05 | tical2k | usually they dont though |
| 22:24:13 | Soap | nope |
| 22:24:23 | Soap | you'll be lucky to get a store credit. |
| 22:24:24 | tical2k | i got a free $40 gift card for getting an open box one |
| 22:24:33 | Soap | Target won't even do that anymore w/o a gift receipt. |
| 22:24:51 | sid | k, I'm off to my local corporate Walmart... wish me luck |
| 22:25:01 | Soap | You'll have better luck (I'm not kidding) if you get your wife/girlfriend to do it. |
| 22:25:08 | tical2k | heh good luck and we'll see you in... ohh.... 5 hours |
| 22:25:11 | sid | If I don't get cash back, I'm just going to have to rma it and go through that process. |
| 22:25:18 | sid | hehe |
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| 22:25:36 | Soap | considering WalMart doesn't sell the 5G anymore. |
| 22:25:47 | tical2k | that only works (wife/gf) if the return person isnt a senile old lady |
| 22:25:51 | sid | Soap: It's on their website. |
| 22:25:51 | Soap | you do have a 5G, not 5.5G correct? |
| 22:26:09 | sid | I dunno, I didn't know a 5.5g existed |
| 22:26:17 | sid | It's a 5g according to iPod linux's website. |
| 22:26:42 | linuxstb | How does IPL's website know your ipod? |
| 22:26:47 | Soap | what capacity? |
| 22:26:47 | sid | 30 gigs |
| 22:26:52 | sid | My model # is A1136 |
| 22:27:14 | linuxstb | If you bought it in the last 3 months, it's almost certainly a 5.5g. |
| 22:27:23 | linuxstb | (assuming you bought it new). |
| 22:27:37 | Soap | he got it from shopNBC.com - famous for selling overstock and old items. |
| 22:27:53 | sid | linuxstb: yea, I got it new from shopnbc.com a month ago(and opened it on Christmas) |
| 22:27:58 | sid | November 4th was the date I bought it |
| 22:28:06 | Llorean | Wouldn't the easiest way just to be to use ipodpatcher to check the sector size? |
| 22:28:23 | Soap | we don't need ease here! |
| 22:28:26 | linuxstb | I didn't think his computer detected his ipod any more... |
| 22:28:26 | sid | Llorean: Well the battery won't charge, so it won't be recognized by any computers now. |
| 22:29:23 | sid | yea, I plug it in and it doesn't show up |
| 22:29:26 | Llorean | Ah |
| 22:29:27 | Soap | the issue with 5.5 vs 5th gen is one of UPC on the box, if that changed (and IF you have a 5, not 5.5) Walmart won't even have your product in their system. |
| 22:29:53 | sid | Soap: So I need a 5.5 and not a 5? |
| 22:30:17 | Soap | wal mart sells 5.5s |
| 22:30:28 | Soap | If the UPC code changed you are out of luck there. That's all I'm saying. |
| 22:31:18 | sid | Well I have the model #, how can I tell if it's 5 or 5.5? |
| 22:32:00 | linuxstb | I don't think that's enough. I remember comparing my model # (I have a 5g which is over a year old) with someone's 5.5g's #, and they were the same. |
| 22:32:42 | Soap | FWIW, 5G 30 black = MA446LL/A white = MA444LL/A |
| 22:32:47 | Soap | excuse me |
| 22:32:47 | Soap | 5.5G |
| 22:32:50 | sid | apple_os.bin apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod bootpartition.bin ipod_fw ipodpatcher mbr.bin rockbox-fonts-20061222.zip rockbox.ipod rockbox-ipodvideo-20061222.zip |
| 22:32:59 | sid | I have all that in my /root, any of that have information about if it's a 5.5 or a 5? |
| 22:35:44 | sid | On the back of the actualy ipod, it says "Model No.: A1136 EMC No.: 2065" |
| 22:36:48 | sid | But on the box it came in, it says on the box "MAA446LL/A iPod 30GB BLACK" .. "Designed by Apple in California" .. "Assembled in China Model A1136" .. "(1P)Part No. MA446LL/A" |
| 22:39:15 | tical2k | linuxstb: sh-elf-gcc what version should i get or does it matter.. ie should it match my gcc version? |
| 22:39:23 | sid | So I have a 5.5g Soap? |
| 22:42:24 | linuxstb | tical2k: Which player do you own? |
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| 22:44:50 | tical2k | ipod 5g |
| 22:45:17 | tical2k | or 5.5g .... i dunno guess i better check |
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| 22:46:14 | linuxstb | tical2k: It makes no difference. You need arm-elf-gcc for the ipods. Easiest way is to run the rockboxdev.sh script in the tools/ directory. This will download the gcc and binutils source and compile the cross-compiler for you. |
| 22:46:19 | tical2k | ahh |
| 22:46:24 | tical2k | nice |
| 22:46:32 | tical2k | thanks |
| 22:47:28 | tical2k | haha well... to be "technical" i have both an archos and an ipod |
| 22:47:48 | linuxstb | Then tell rockboxdev.sh to install both arm and sh compilers... |
| 22:47:49 | tical2k | however... my archos fm recorder is down for the count haha |
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| 22:48:15 | webguest13 | I erroneously reopened a bug report that I initiated a couple of months ago, saying that the fix that came through today didn't work. I had a brain fart it works fine. is there anyway to tell the developer to not worry about it? |
| 22:48:16 | tical2k | archos made those things pretty damn cheaply |
| 22:48:18 | linuxstb | Plus m68k for good measure... If you're seriously developing for Rockbox, it's useful to test-compile for different architectures. |
| 22:48:56 | tical2k | holy crap... its downloading gcc... im not sure i want it to do that.... |
| 22:49:10 | tical2k | i mean |
| 22:49:13 | tical2k | i have gcc... |
| 22:49:29 | tical2k | but im on a PPC powerbook |
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| 22:50:19 | * | linuxstb watches 33fps 160x128 video with audio on his ipod... |
| 22:50:38 | tical2k | wow... congrats |
| 22:51:53 | dan_a | linuxstb: It seems to work then? |
| 22:51:53 | dan_a | :D |
| 22:51:55 | linuxstb | 220x176 is 21fps... |
| 22:52:06 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, but only after I disabled CPU frequency scaling. |
| 22:52:29 | Genre9mp3 | woa! this is great news! |
| 22:52:41 | linuxstb | With it enabled, I got freezes either at the end of the bootloader, during the Rockbox splash, or as soon as I launched mpegplayer. |
| 22:52:57 | Genre9mp3 | 220x176 @ 21 fps with sound on iPod 4g? |
| 22:53:15 | linuxstb | Well, it's now averaged out to around 19fps... |
| 22:53:28 | linuxstb | On my Photo, yes. |
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| 22:53:51 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Would be safe to assume similar results on H300, too? |
| 22:54:06 | dan_a | linuxstb: Hmmm... I've never been totally confident about what I ought to be doing about the clock on the COP |
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| 22:54:29 | linuxstb | So there seems no memory conflict - video on the COP and audio on the main CPU seems to give a similar speed to video-only on the main CPU (but I've forgotten the exact numbers). |
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| 22:55:01 | tical2k | what COP does the photo have? |
| 22:55:10 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Oh... this is PP specific? |
| 22:55:16 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: No, this is specific to the PortalPlayer targets (ipods, H10 and Sansa). I've moved video playback to the second CPU core to free up the main CPU for audio. |
| 22:55:33 | Genre9mp3 | ah, ok... |
| 22:55:47 | linuxstb | tical2k: All ipods have two arm7tdmi cores. The 5g also has a video processor from Broadcom. |
| 22:55:58 | tical2k | yeah thats what i was thinking about |
| 22:56:00 | linuxstb | mpegplayer is just using the arm7tdmi cores. |
| 22:56:03 | tical2k | the broadcom one |
| 22:56:08 | tical2k | alright |
| 22:56:34 | tical2k | now... the broadcom chip can do audio/video? |
| 22:56:50 | Soap | the broadcomm chip can't do squat for rockbox at this time. |
| 22:56:55 | tical2k | haha ok |
| 22:56:57 | tical2k | :-) |
| 22:57:09 | tical2k | whats the limiting factor there? |
| 22:57:33 | dan_a | linuxstb: If we've got problems when frequency scaling is on (on some targets, at least) then I'll hold off committing until we can fix the problem. |
| 22:57:38 | linuxstb | tical2k: Zero documentation. |
| 22:57:40 | Soap | what isn't a limiting factor is a more valid question |
| 22:57:42 | tical2k | ah |
| 22:57:46 | tical2k | haha |
| 22:58:27 | Soap | not to mention the fact that while dual-core support helps many rockbox targets, broadcom support helps only one. |
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| 22:58:53 | tical2k | yeah |
| 22:58:55 | Soap | helps one target in a non-core function at that. |
| 22:59:22 | KingLevel | hi everybody..! Does Rockbox work with my iPod 5G 80Gb?? |
| 22:59:26 | Everybody | hi |
| 22:59:28 | linuxstb | dan_a: My Photo is very sensitive anyway to CPU frequency scaling... But it seems that (randomly), some builds are more stable than others. |
| 22:59:32 | linuxstb | KingLevel: No. |
| 22:59:33 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Do you plan to enable audio for Coldfire targets as well even if it's single core? |
| 22:59:41 | Everybody | you said hi to me :D |
| 22:59:44 | KingLevel | Why? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:29 | KingLevel | heh.. hi there |
| 23:00:45 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes. Targets with only one core will just run all threads on the same CPU. But the problem on the Coldfire targets will be sharing the limited IRAM, which is needed to achieve anything like reasonable speeds. |
| 23:01:01 | linuxstb | KingLevel: Rockbox fails to access the disk, and no-one has yet worked out why. |
| 23:02:02 | KingLevel | gaaahh.. thats bad... |
| 23:02:23 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: hmm.. what fps would you expect on h300? The retailOS does MPEG4(XVID) at 10fps. It would be great if it can beat that (even with "just" MPEG1/2) |
| 23:02:44 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I think it would be great if we could match it... |
| 23:03:10 | linuxstb | But I don't have a Coldfire target with colour LCD, so it's up to H300 or X5 owners to optimise it. |
| 23:03:51 | Genre9mp3 | linuxboy: I see... thanks |
| 23:03:57 | Genre9mp3 | eeer... I mean, linuxstb |
| 23:04:06 | KingLevel | How many is working with Rockbox? |
| 23:04:59 | linuxstb | KingLevel: There are at least 2 or 3 people trying to get the 80GB ipod working. |
| 23:06:09 | linuxstb | 224x128 video (16:9 full-screen on my Photo) is playing at full-speed (24fps) with audio... |
| 23:06:22 | KingLevel | ok.. have to wait. Are they close to get it work? |
| 23:06:33 | linuxstb | −−-> <−−- That far |
| 23:08:07 | KingLevel | hah! :-D cant wait |
| 23:10:07 | bagawk | it sounds like they made some good discoveries today keep looking, it will probably be figured out soon |
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| 23:11:47 | KingLevel | Can you play songs with rockbox that you have added with iTunes? im a newb, so i have to ask |
| 23:11:58 | markun | KingLevel: yes |
| 23:12:24 | KingLevel | sweet |
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| 23:16:37 | bagawk | KingLevel: rockbox by defualt is however a filetree based browser, you will have no idea what it is when you are browsing |
| 23:18:03 | bagawk | why iTunes must do so much crazy obfuscation... no one could probably ever figure out |
| 23:19:04 | topbloke | so u cant copy them back to pc |
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| 23:20:10 | bagawk | dangit, you ruined my deep thought :P |
| 23:20:17 | topbloke | ! |
| 23:20:45 | linuxstb | KingLevel: You can't play songs purchased from the ITMS with Rockbox (i.e. encrypted/DRM-protected songs). |
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| 23:20:56 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Is there a patch I could try to test this on H300? |
| 23:21:05 | * | Genre9mp3 obviously can't wait |
| 23:21:09 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 23:21:16 | topbloke | is there any progrma to make a playlist of all the songs on a player? |
| 23:21:33 | topbloke | program |
| 23:22:15 | bagawk | topbloke: script time: find /mnt/dap -type f | grep .mp3 > playlist.m3u |
| 23:22:27 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: No, it won't compile for Coldfire at the moment. I'll try and release a patch soon though. |
| 23:22:27 | Soap | the "to prevent copying" theory on itunes doesn't hold water. |
| 23:22:27 | topbloke | how bout on windows |
| 23:22:30 | linuxstb | (or commit to CVS...) |
| 23:22:41 | topbloke | and will they be arranged aphabetically? |
| 23:22:41 | Soap | Since the file tags aren't touched, therefore you can copy them off and rename them based on their tags. |
| 23:22:42 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: ok |
| 23:23:19 | Soap | If they were /actively/ trying to prevent copying, they would remove the unneeded tags. |
| 23:23:33 | bagawk | topbloke: find /mnt/dap -type f | grep .mp3 | sort <some sort options> > playlist.m3u |
| 23:23:51 | topbloke | ok but thats still linux |
| 23:24:06 | Soap | simple answer is that the appleFW database works faster with uniform file names/paths. |
| 23:24:07 | bagawk | topbloke: will work under cygwin also :) |
| 23:24:11 | topbloke | ok |
| 23:24:19 | KingLevel | linuxstb: Are you one of the programmers? |
| 23:24:33 | bagawk | topbloke: sorry, do not know many windows utilities |
| 23:24:39 | topbloke | well maybe i should make an .exe for windows |
| 23:24:46 | linuxstb | KingLevel: I'm _a_ programmer... I'm not working on the 80GB though. |
| 23:25:06 | linuxstb | Although I've done a lot of work for the ipods in general. |
| 23:25:32 | KingLevel | linuxstb: ok |
| 23:26:52 | KingLevel | linuxstb: how long will it take? if you are - - - - > <- - - - this close? |
| 23:27:50 | linuxstb | KingLevel: It's impossible to say. No-one knows what the problem is, so it's a matter of investigating until a solution is found. It could be today, or it could be a year away... |
| 23:28:05 | Soap | less time than being −−-> <−−−−−− that close. |
| 23:28:55 | PaulPosition | Hofstadter's Law states that: |
| 23:28:55 | PaulPosition | It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. |
| 23:29:36 | PaulPosition | (but sometimes there are pleasant surprises) |
| 23:29:46 | topbloke | screw 80gb, make it eat less batt on 30gb :) |
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| 23:30:11 | KingLevel | linuxstb: okey, good luck! se ya |
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| 23:33:35 | linuxstb | dan_a: But yes, apart from the CPU scaling issues, the cop patch seems to be working fine. My thread is yielding and sleeping and it seems happy. I'm just about to test it on my 5g (with cpu scaling enabled). |
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| 23:34:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: CPU scaling issues? |
| 23:35:21 | linuxstb | As usual, my Photo is freezing with cpu scaling enabled. The COP patch seemed to make the freezing happen more reliably. |
| 23:35:43 | linuxstb | I'm about to test on my 5g, and I would expect that to be fine. |
| 23:36:11 | Llorean | I know that the _6 cop patch worked completely reliably on my Nano at least, so the 5G should be I'd imagine |
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| 23:41:37 | sid | ok, no go with Walmart |
| 23:41:43 | sid | They wouldn't give me cash back or let me exchange without a receipt. |
| 23:41:48 | tical2k | haha |
| 23:42:06 | tical2k | i got a bestbuy reciept... whats it worth to you :-) haha j/p |
| 23:42:26 | sid | tical2k: What state? |
| 23:42:29 | tical2k | NC |
| 23:42:34 | tical2k | wait |
| 23:42:37 | tical2k | does it matter? |
| 23:42:50 | sid | yes, because how do I get it from you. heh |
| 23:42:59 | tical2k | i can scan it... if you can make it looke believable |
| 23:43:08 | tical2k | say... i sent it to you in the mail... but the date might give it away |
| 23:43:17 | tical2k | being... i got it today |
| 23:43:18 | sid | What is the date for it? |
| 23:43:39 | tical2k | what state are you in? |
| 23:43:44 | sid | New York |
| 23:44:05 | sid | I have the receipt from shopbnc |
| 23:44:17 | sid | But from what I hear they're a royal pain in the ass to exchange/return stuff to. |
| 23:44:31 | sid | So I'm trying to rip off a mega-store first, like Walmart or Target, Bestbuy etc |
| 23:44:49 | tical2k | well... i guess its feasible to tell them that you bought it from a store in NC before a flight it broke on flight and you had your family fax/scan you the reciept |
| 23:44:49 | tical2k | haha |
| 23:45:18 | sid | yea, that's not a bad idea |
| 23:45:23 | sid | tical2k: scan it if you want |
| 23:45:41 | tical2k | well... i dunno.. because if my ipod breaks... im pretty sol haha |
| 23:45:49 | sid | Why? |
| 23:45:57 | sid | You can use the same receipt twice |
| 23:46:06 | tical2k | im pretty sure they might track the order #s on reciepts? |
| 23:46:16 | sid | I doubt it |
| 23:46:26 | sid | That's seems too sophisticated for a mega-corp |
| 23:46:42 | * | linuxstb wonders if these kinds of discussions belong in #rockbox, which is logged... |
| 23:46:51 | tical2k | yeah... |
| 23:46:56 | tical2k | in otherwords.. NO |
| 23:47:05 | sid | heh |
| 23:47:20 | Soap | target has unique transaction IDs on every receipt. |
| 23:48:11 | tical2k | i wouldnt doubt best buy does too |
| 23:48:18 | sid | I'll email my local [GNU]/Linux Users Group mailing list, and ask if anyone bought a 30 gig ipod video..and if so to bring their receipt |
| 23:48:30 | tical2k | haha |
| 23:48:56 | sid | They lady at Walmar almost let me exchange it |
| 23:49:12 | tical2k | try circuit city... |
| 23:49:14 | sid | She was close, but she thought about it again and then asked her co-worker if it was allowed...and that person said no you need receipt. |
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| 23:49:48 | sid | hmm, is it me..or is shopnbc.com down? |
| 23:50:30 | sid | They only have one ip in their dns pool( 216.17.44.5 ), I guess their website doesn't get that much traffic? |
| 23:50:36 | Soap | despite myself being earlier complicit in this conversation, it has drifted way the bleep off topic |
| 23:50:42 | sid | I need their return policy info |
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| 23:50:48 | tical2k | n/m dont try circuit cty |
| 23:51:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, as expected, the COP patch is working fine on my 5g. |
| 23:52:03 | Llorean | Not exactly a huge surprise though. ;) |
| 23:52:09 | Soap | benchmark at 320x240 (though I hate to think) |
| 23:52:11 | Soap | ? |
| 23:52:35 | linuxstb | I'll have to download the file... I can't remember what it is. |
| 23:52:55 | Soap | not on my accord. |
| 23:53:58 | linuxstb | It's no problem, downloading is free... |
| 23:54:22 | linuxstb | It can play the 224x128 version of elephant's dream at the full 24fps though... |
| 23:54:42 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Will you guys post some patches on the tracker and wait a few days or would you/dan/barry/lostlogic testing it be enough for you to skip looking for other's tests? |
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| 23:55:26 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: Are you talking about my mpegplayer work, or the COP work in general? |
| 23:56:50 | PaulPosition | kind of both, hence the 's' I added after 'patch' ;) But nvm, I'll learn it whenever any of it falls in my mailbox or in the cvs news page. :p |
| 23:57:01 | `Nox` | HI , haw to use mi4code.c ? |
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| 23:58:23 | PaulPosition | 'nox' what platform are you on? The mi4code page is pretty explicit for linux targets and for windows you need to download the 'windows executable binary' (or something close) |
| 23:58:54 | `Nox` | im on windows |
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