| 00:00:03 | `Nox` | thx , do u know whare can i find windows executable binary ? |
| 00:00:43 | PaulPosition | 'Nox' - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=H10InstallationBeta There's a link to the mi4code page where you'll find it. |
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| 00:01:16 | `Nox` | thx!!! just want to use dual-boot :) |
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| 00:01:32 | PaulPosition | 'Nox' : But when it talks about .zip, think it's a .rar (and thus you need to unrar it, not unzip it)... It's an error I haven't corrected yet. :blushes: |
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| 00:05:45 | hcs | the current cvs is entirely useless for me (on ipod 4g) unless I use my cpufreq3 patch, it freezes very quickly |
| 00:07:01 | linuxstb | hcs: Have you tried any of the recent COP patches? I think they are almost ready for committing, so any CPU frequency fixes need to work with the COP patch. |
| 00:07:31 | hcs | linuxstb: no, I haven't, I'll give it a try |
| 00:07:38 | linuxstb | But yes, that bug has been around for far too long now... |
| 00:07:42 | PaulPosition | hcs - Why aren't the H10s suffering from those freezes? |
| 00:07:53 | `Nox` | WE ARE :( |
| 00:07:53 | linuxstb | Because CPU scaling is disabled. |
| 00:08:04 | PaulPosition | 'Nox' Well I'm not. |
| 00:08:25 | `Nox` | but with eq ? |
| 00:08:34 | PaulPosition | 'Nox': That's not freeze. :o |
| 00:08:58 | `Nox` | i like rockbox , but no eq sux :/ |
| 00:09:06 | PaulPosition | 'Nox': That's more like slowdowns (causing skips and such). When they say freeze they MEAN freeze. |
| 00:09:18 | `Nox` | ooooh |
| 00:10:02 | hcs | linuxstb: which of the patches (5 or 6) should I try? |
| 00:10:16 | tehsmo | so, what's known about the frequency scaling bug, anyway? |
| 00:10:20 | linuxstb | hcs: I've been told 6. |
| 00:10:38 | tehsmo | like, where it tends to freeze and such |
| 00:11:02 | hcs | fairly random... |
| 00:11:09 | linuxstb | tehsmo: It's only affecting the PP5020 targets (some ipods, H10), and not the PP5021/5022 targets (the rest of the ipods). |
| 00:11:22 | Llorean | tehsmo: I *think* that it freezes when unboosting the CPU on the 5020s |
| 00:11:33 | tehsmo | ah |
| 00:11:57 | tehsmo | I thought it affected the ipod video as well |
| 00:12:15 | tehsmo | or dose the video use the pp5020 |
| 00:12:20 | tehsmo | s/dose/does |
| 00:12:28 | linuxstb | The video is pp5021. |
| 00:12:36 | tehsmo | ah |
| 00:12:49 | linuxstb | Same as the Nano. The 2nd gen Mini is the only PP5022. |
| 00:14:19 | tehsmo | that explains why rockbox has been rather stable for me, then |
| 00:15:31 | tehsmo | I was thinking of writing a plugin (or something similar) to try and reproduce the scaling bug reliably |
| 00:15:44 | hcs | the new ipodpatcher is really nice |
| 00:15:53 | hcs | (though not sure how new it is) |
| 00:15:59 | tehsmo | like, perform lots of repeated computations and such, with a lot of sanity checks, while scaling up and down |
| 00:16:12 | tehsmo | hcs: yes, it is. :) |
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| 00:18:05 | linuxstb | For people with PortalPlayer targets, here's my current mpegplayer patch - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-audio-pp-v1.diff |
| 00:18:18 | linuxstb | This includes the kernel-on-cop-v6 patch. |
| 00:19:29 | linuxstb | I've encoding the elephants dream audio to a 44.1KHz mp3 file here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantaudio.zip which you'll need to place in the same directory as the .m2v file, and rename to have the same name as the .m2v, but with a .mp3 extension. |
| 00:20:08 | hcs | linuxstb: as I've noticed with previous cop patches, kernel-on-cop-v6 runs fine without the scaling patch |
| 00:20:15 | linuxstb | The menu doesn't work any more in mpegplayer (but it gets displayed once at the start, so you can adjust settings). Pause doesn't work, and the plugin never exits (you need to reset). |
| 00:20:36 | linuxstb | hcs: Running it with CPU scaling enabled caused instant freezes on my Photo... |
| 00:20:51 | linuxstb | As soon as I disabled frequency scaling, it worked flawlessly. |
| 00:21:00 | hcs | linuxstb: hmm, all seems well here, freq scaling enabled |
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| 00:21:17 | hcs | rebuilt the bootloader? |
| 00:21:51 | sid | What is windows software you can use to put music on an iPod?(the apple_os stuff) |
| 00:21:55 | sid | Besides iTunes |
| 00:22:12 | linuxstb | No, but I wouldn't expect that to affect it. I'll try that, as well as a deleting my build directory and starting again, just to be sure. |
| 00:28:24 | PaulPosition | sid - In general, Rockboxer use to drag&drop folders to their device and then either browse with file tree view OR initialize database and then browse with id3 tags.. |
| 00:29:08 | linuxstb | Soap: 320x240 is around 11fps |
| 00:29:17 | PaulPosition | Oh, you mean for using ipod in original firmware (apple) mode? Wrong channel, then. |
| 00:29:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: I had a look at mirak's coldfire speedup patches for mpegplayer a while back, because I wanted to integrate them |
| 00:30:08 | amiconn | Unfortunately the whole thing is rather hackish and I wasn't even able to figure out what's needed and what is not :/ |
| 00:30:47 | linuxstb | He's been around recently, so maybe he could be persuaded to go back and clean them up. |
| 00:31:23 | linuxstb | He's sometimes here as karim (mirak reversed...) |
| 00:31:43 | amiconn | I know... |
| 00:32:17 | linuxstb | Am I right in thinking a lot of the improvements were just by using IRAM? Or is it hard to separate out the patches? |
| 00:32:53 | amiconn | IRAM usage and idct in assembler |
| 00:33:53 | amiconn | karim is his real name. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995 |
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| 00:36:01 | linuxstb | At the moment I'm linking libmad directly into mpegplayer.rock, but I'm thinking of trying to use mpa.codec instead. I'm thinking this would make IRAM swapping straightfoward (switch threads, swap IRAM), and also open mpegplayer up to using any of the available audio codecs. |
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| 00:59:41 | linuxstb | hcs: I just tried a clean compile (of both Rockbox and the bootloader) with the kernel-on-cop-v6 patch and get an instant freeze with CPU scaling enabled... |
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| 00:59:57 | hcs | linuxstb: weird. |
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| 01:00:22 | linuxstb | After a reset, it boots, but then freezes when I start mpegplayer (probably when it boosts the CPU at the start). |
| 01:00:39 | hcs | I've never tried it with mpegplayer |
| 01:00:40 | linuxstb | What gcc version are you using? |
| 01:00:51 | hcs | I'm just playing mp3s and it works ok |
| 01:00:59 | linuxstb | arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 |
| 01:01:03 | hcs | me too |
| 01:01:15 | linuxstb | And you have a Photo as well? |
| 01:01:19 | hcs | yes |
| 01:01:25 | hcs | 60 GB |
| 01:01:55 | linuxstb | Same here... |
| 01:02:21 | linuxstb | Although I think mine is a "Color" - I bought it shortly before the Video was released. |
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| 01:03:43 | hcs | could you upload the exact build somewhere so I can compare? |
| 01:04:20 | linuxstb | Sure. Do you want the bootloader as well? |
| 01:04:38 | hcs | yes |
| 01:05:34 | hcs | uh, how do you reset settings now? hold boots up into the original firmware now... |
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| 01:06:15 | linuxstb | One moment... |
| 01:06:15 | linuxstb | Turn hold on after the bootloader starts but before Rockbox starts. |
| 01:06:25 | KingLevel | linuxstb: one last question.. |
| 01:06:37 | linuxstb | Hello. |
| 01:06:59 | KingLevel | linuxstb: are they any eq plugin for RB? |
| 01:07:13 | KingLevel | that you know |
| 01:07:29 | linuxstb | hcs: This contains both the rockbox.zip and the bootloader that don't work for me: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-color.zip |
| 01:07:43 | JdGordon | there is a hardware (ipod only) and software eq in the rockbox core |
| 01:07:47 | linuxstb | KingLevel: Yes, Rockbox has a full 5-band parametric software EQ. |
| 01:08:24 | linuxstb | The hardware EQ is only for the 5g (and only the 1st and 5th bands appear to work (bass and treble)). |
| 01:09:53 | KingLevel | ok.. thanks. now i can sleep.. 1:09 |
| 01:09:54 | KingLevel | ZZzzz |
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| 01:24:16 | hcs | linuxstb: I'm getting the same freezes you report with the version you sent me. |
| 01:26:12 | linuxstb | Do the rockbox.ipod files differ? |
| 01:26:50 | linuxstb | Which binutils do you have (2.16.1 here) |
| 01:28:03 | linuxstb | And the rockbox.ipod files will differ because my version includes my mpegplayer changes (which include a new function in the plugin API). |
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| 01:29:41 | hcs | I have 2.16 binutils |
| 01:31:27 | hcs | I'm going to make sure I have the latest CVS and build it cleanly with only the cop6 patch |
| 01:32:03 | hcs | though the two patches that went in since I downloaded the bleeding edge archive don't seem important |
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| 01:33:38 | hcs | do you do anything other than configure, make? |
| 01:35:04 | linuxstb | No. |
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| 01:35:41 | linuxstb | You could also try with my combined kernel-on-cop-v6 and mpegplayer patch - that should be a copy of my current source. |
| 01:36:21 | tical2k | this plays mpeg2 ? |
| 01:36:35 | tical2k | with a separate mp3 file right? |
| 01:37:15 | linuxstb | Yes. For the PortalPlayer targets only at the moment (plus Gigabeat). |
| 01:37:57 | tical2k | what is the standard for VCD audio? |
| 01:38:21 | linuxstb | 44.1KHz 224kbit/s CBR MP2. |
| 01:38:40 | tical2k | oh.. hurmmm.... |
| 01:38:56 | tical2k | that presents a problem doesnt it.... |
| 01:39:07 | tical2k | i mean.. |
| 01:39:07 | linuxstb | That will work as well, but mpegplayer only looks for a .mp3 file, so you'll need to rename. It will play any audio format supported by libmad (but it doesn't resample, so it must be 44.1KHz). |
| 01:39:15 | tical2k | ah |
| 01:39:37 | tical2k | have you tested it with that yet? im interested as to whether it is faster or slower |
| 01:40:46 | tical2k | if not... i can do that... your patch still v6 |
| 01:41:45 | linuxstb | No, I haven't tested mp2 audio. |
| 01:42:19 | linuxstb | At the moment, mpegplayer should play any MPEG audio file, at any bitrate - the main CPU isn't doing anything else. |
| 01:42:27 | tical2k | ok |
| 01:43:08 | tical2k | alright.... next question... i got all the cross-compilers running and whatnot... what do you think needs improving in mpegplayer? |
| 01:43:22 | linuxstb | Everything... |
| 01:43:27 | tical2k | heh |
| 01:43:44 | tical2k | i saw that you said the controls no longer work |
| 01:44:10 | tical2k | is that more due to threading? |
| 01:44:17 | linuxstb | The audio playback at the moment is just a proof-of-concept, to see if the PP chips are capable of video decoding on one core and audio decoding on the other core simultaneously, without any slowdown in video speed. And it seems that they are. |
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| 01:45:22 | tical2k | thats a big breakthrough though |
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| 01:46:23 | linuxstb | The next step is to choose a container format - MPEG program streams (i.e. .mpg) or AVI seem the obvious candidates - and implement it. |
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| 01:59:53 | amiconn | euhm |
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| 02:00:11 | DerPapst_ | GodEater: it might be that the MK8010GAH uses ATA-6. according to http://www.welovemacs.com/mk8010gah.html the MK8009GAH is the exact same drive without the Apple Logo. |
| 02:00:27 | amiconn | linuxstb, dan_a, lostlogic: I just had an idea what might be wrong with dualcore and playback performance |
| 02:01:05 | linuxstb | ? |
| 02:01:11 | DerPapst_ | The toshiba site says that the MK8009GAH supportes ATA-3,4,5 and 6 but not 7. |
| 02:01:11 | amiconn | It might be that it's neither memory bandwidth nor the scheduler acting up, but the voice codec <=> audio codec interlocking necessary because of the IRAM sharing |
| 02:01:40 | * | JdGordon just realsied how shit celerons are |
| 02:01:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: Would that affect things when voice isn't enabled? |
| 02:01:50 | amiconn | So if audio runs on the cop but voice runs on the cpu, both cores may interlock even if the scheduler is working as it should |
| 02:02:12 | topbloke | can u guys use the Broadcom chip on video ipods? |
| 02:02:17 | linuxstb | topbloke: No. |
| 02:02:21 | JdGordon | my celeron 2.4g did a compile in 3min and my laptops pentium M 1.3ghz did it in 1.42min! |
| 02:02:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Maybe not, but I am not sure at all. Unfortunately I don't understand how playback.c works |
| 02:03:01 | topbloke | its not documented? |
| 02:03:30 | linuxstb | topbloke: Correct. |
| 02:04:09 | tical2k | haha yeah but there are comments sporadically placed :-) |
| 02:04:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: Something seems odd, when mpegplayer can use the COP with no apparent bottlenecks, but playback isn't benefitting. |
| 02:04:25 | amiconn | Yes, that's what led me to this theory |
| 02:04:38 | Llorean | Disabling the scheduler doesn't help, by the way |
| 02:04:39 | DerPapst_ | GodEater: toshibas info page: ttp://www.toshiba-europe.com/storage/pci.asp?model=MK8009GAH |
| 02:04:41 | amiconn | mpegplayer doesn't use the playback engine but its own mechanisms |
| 02:04:49 | Llorean | The menus become fast, but playback can still be made to skip with fast scrolling in lists. |
| 02:04:54 | linuxstb | But then I can also play audio and decode 10fps video on a single core, but the rockbox UI lags when music is playing... |
| 02:05:39 | * | amiconn thinks the best way to go with playback would be to start a new engine |
| 02:05:53 | amiconn | might be, at least |
| 02:05:54 | linuxstb | I wouldn't argue against that. |
| 02:06:21 | Llorean | A new engine for mpegplayer, or rebuild the playback engine? |
| 02:06:27 | amiconn | Playback engine |
| 02:06:39 | * | Llorean agrees. |
| 02:06:48 | Llorean | I'd have agreed with both, but I wanted it to be clear which one I was nodding at. |
| 02:06:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether he would be up to the task |
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| 02:07:21 | tical2k | how does mpegplayer use IRAM? |
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| 02:07:41 | amiconn | At least I would have a good reason to try it... hwcodec/swcodec integration, for integrating hwcodec pcm playback and potentially more |
| 02:07:42 | markun | amiconn: if you can't then who can.. |
| 02:08:01 | amiconn | markun: I'm more of a low-level guy... |
| 02:08:10 | linuxstb | tical2k: It doesn't really. ipods don't seem to benefit much from it, and it hasn't been done yet (in CVS) for Coldfire. |
| 02:08:22 | tical2k | ah ok... |
| 02:08:54 | linuxstb | And it also doesn't make sense to optimise IRAM usage until we get audio working properly. |
| 02:08:55 | tical2k | i was just looking at the playback.c and saw it allocated IRAM buffers for voice |
| 02:09:19 | * | amiconn likes reading datasheets, writing drivers, and optimised assembler routines |
| 02:09:24 | amiconn | That kind of stuff... |
| 02:10:29 | linuxstb | There's still a lot of missing ARM assembler functions... memcpy, ATA read/write,... |
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| 02:12:40 | amiconn | Yeah, but no pp datasheet to play with :( |
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| 02:15:56 | * | amiconn wonders whether someone will bring an 80GB G5.5 and/or a pp5020 ipod (not 5021/5022) for devcon |
| 02:16:16 | amiconn | If those problems aren't solved before devcon, that is |
| 02:16:31 | jeffb | where id devcon |
| 02:16:33 | jeffb | *is |
| 02:17:01 | amiconn | Sweden, most probably |
| 02:17:04 | jeffb | ah |
| 02:17:28 | jeffb | sounds fun... I'd have to travel from the US |
| 02:17:59 | amiconn | lostlogic attended the last devcon... he's from the US too |
| 02:18:07 | scorche | we could have 2 devcons...one in the US and one in sweden...have plenty of webcams ;) |
| 02:18:20 | jeffb | I wouldn't mind seeing sweden |
| 02:18:23 | scorche | but we couldnt go get the same beer afterwards =( |
| 02:18:28 | Llorean | Actually, at a point, Lostlogic and I were talking about the idea of a US devcon if we ever ended up with enough US devs. |
| 02:18:30 | jeffb | I dated a Swedish girl in college... |
| 02:19:06 | Llorean | Of course, I wouldn't be terribly much use at a devcon anyway, other than a "Can someone test this code on target while I go on to more important things?" and "Anyone want to make a food run for us?" ;) |
| 02:19:31 | scorche | and then you woulg tell me to go do that |
| 02:19:40 | scorche | delegation ;) |
| 02:20:01 | tehsmo | what time of year is devcon? |
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| 02:21:19 | scorche | whenever it happens |
| 02:21:39 | tehsmo | ah |
| 02:22:25 | scorche | last year it was march 18-19 |
| 02:22:42 | linuxstb | This year? |
| 02:23:11 | DerPapst_ | he already lives in 2007 ;) |
| 02:23:42 | linuxstb | Strange, GMT+72 timezone... |
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| 02:24:09 | scorche | heh... |
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| 02:33:06 | marrie | Hello. I have an ipod vidio and i tried to nstall rockbox on it and I think i was successful but when I tried to arrow up and down it woldn't speak. I'mnew t working this ipod so not sure what i'm doing yet. I hope I didn't break anything. Thanks. |
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| 02:39:54 | webguest45 | hello people anyone here who can help me? |
| 02:40:31 | JdGordon | only in the metophorical sense.... |
| 02:40:34 | webguest45 | my question i play go and need a byo yomi clock plugin for rockbox |
| 02:40:46 | webguest45 | not just a chess clock |
| 02:41:04 | webguest45 | any idea where to get it? |
| 02:41:24 | Llorean | Someone would have to write one, or modify the chess clock. |
| 02:41:28 | JdGordon | unless its in the standard .zip there isnt one |
| 02:41:56 | webguest45 | maybe one of the developers also plays go |
| 02:42:14 | webguest45 | im not a programmer |
| 02:43:17 | webguest45 | im sure there are a lot of people with use of such a clock |
| 02:43:41 | Llorean | Well, you could always write a feature request. |
| 02:44:05 | webguest45 | on rockbox main page? |
| 02:44:16 | Llorean | On the feature request tracker, linked to from the main page, yes. |
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| 02:44:51 | webguest45 | thanks i just hoped for some go player here suprised by this great idea |
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| 02:52:13 | Soap | linuxstb: thank you for the 320x240 number, it is about what I had figured. |
| 02:54:54 | linuxstb | Enabling frame-skip (which bascically means frames are decoded, but not converted from yuv to rgb and displayed) gave a decode speed of about 21fps. So I'm thinking about moving the yuv2rgb conversion back to the main CPU, and just using the COP for the actual decoding. But I haven't worked out how yet... |
| 02:55:27 | marrie | s is there a way for me to get rockbox working on an ipod vidio when I'm visually impaired? |
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| 02:57:31 | linuxstb | marrie: I haven't used Rockbox's voice features, so can't really help. But I know there are quite a lot of visually impaired users on the Rockbox mailing list - they may be able to offer specific advice/help. |
| 02:57:51 | marrie | I'll take a look. is that on the rockbox homepage? |
| 02:58:46 | thegeek | you might want to check out the manual too |
| 02:59:05 | Soap | http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox |
| 02:59:06 | thegeek | I think I remember someone on the forum having voice on an ipod video |
| 02:59:25 | marrie | I did but it's not an easy read. I followed the steps it gave me and i copyed the voice file tothe right place but no go. |
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| 02:59:41 | Soap | sorry, marrie, the link I just posted is the link to subscribe to the Rockbox mailing list. |
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| 03:00:53 | thegeek | marrie: sorry, I can't offer any specific advice as I really dont have any experience with voice on any recent version of rockbox |
| 03:01:08 | marrie | no worries. I'm learning to. |
| 03:01:17 | marrie | thanks for the link. I uust subscribed |
| 03:02:05 | tehsmo | isn't there a wiki section for visually impaired topics? |
| 03:02:24 | marrie | that wiki is a bit confusing |
| 03:02:28 | tehsmo | ah, just a faq |
| 03:02:53 | tehsmo | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFAQ not sure how useful that'll be, but it might help |
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| 03:04:58 | Soap | marrie: What do you find confusing about the wiki? A fellow was in the other night (he was not visually impared) and he made many harsh comments about the wiki. |
| 03:05:57 | Soap | Not being visually impared, and being a bit of an oaf, his comments were (rightfully) set aside. I am curious, though, what your thoughts would be. |
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| 03:08:08 | marrie | I found the autio file and I'm hopiong it will help a little bit. |
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| 03:08:57 | marrie | First thee are 2 search fileds one leding to flyspray and the other one beeing a regular search field it is a bit confusing to a first time user of the wiki. |
| 03:11:42 | Soap | and those two search fields are always there. |
| 03:12:09 | Soap | and neither one is actually a wiki search. |
| 03:12:34 | marrie | I was just glansing it I do like the this page target links. it makes things easier to navigate |
| 03:12:59 | Soap | To do a wiki search you need to click on the wiki link, then click on the search link in the wiki frame, then fill in the search box. |
| 03:13:17 | marrie | ah. I'll have a look at that. |
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| 03:36:34 | hcs | linuxstb: I don't know what to tell you, I've got a clean build here, made from your mpegplayer-cop6 patch, running fine |
| 03:36:46 | hcs | I can send you my build if you want to make a comparison |
| 03:40:33 | hcs | it should also be noted that the peak meter and MP3 decoding can actually both run together now |
| 03:47:53 | Soap | stop teasing the unwashed masses and commit! |
| 03:48:00 | Soap | ;) |
| 03:48:25 | hcs | well, it freezes for him |
| 03:48:58 | hcs | http://hcs64.com/rockbox/rockbox-col.zip |
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| 03:50:25 | markun | giant gigabeat commit in cvs |
| 03:50:44 | markun | Lets hope I didn't break too much |
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| 03:55:51 | Soap | 'tis funny that the ipods may very well go dual core while the server is single core. |
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| 04:19:03 | * | Nimdae hugs markun and sends him a cookie |
| 04:19:40 | Nimdae | bah, the gigabeat s isn't listed on the builds yet |
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| 04:19:45 | Nimdae | is it being built with cvs commits? |
| 04:21:46 | scorche | bagder has to add it |
| 04:24:52 | Nimdae | ah |
| 04:24:58 | Nimdae | it'll be nice to see it on there :) |
| 04:25:51 | Nimdae | that may be enough for me to get a gigabeat :P |
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| 04:27:33 | Drumr | this is a crazy question BUT... any possibility of running rockbox on the thanko mp4 watch? |
| 04:28:18 | Drumr | the same firmware is used in multiple units with different types of form factors... so it would work for multiple platforms... |
| 04:28:38 | Nimdae | yeah, it is crazy to ask |
| 04:28:45 | Drumr | lol, i agree |
| 04:28:55 | Nimdae | and it's been answered |
| 04:29:07 | Nimdae | i guess that's the reason it's crazy to ask |
| 04:29:16 | Drumr | oh really? |
| 04:29:22 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 04:29:34 | Drumr | i searched with multiple keywords, guess i missed it |
| 04:30:53 | Drumr | anyways... just updated my 5g ipod to latest firmware so im going to be installing RB again... might as well stick around for support if i need it |
| 04:33:46 | Nimdae | basically the question is "Will Rockbox ever be ported to <insert my player here>?" and the answer is "When you port it, or provide hardware and documentation to someone who is willing to port it." |
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| 04:34:29 | Nimdae | i think the current devs are spread pretty thin as it is with supporting the hardware they are already working on |
| 04:36:19 | Drumr | i understand |
| 04:36:50 | Drumr | i could provide information regarding it but i am nowhere near porting rockbox to another platform |
| 04:37:30 | Drumr | i was around for the whole h320 port and was reqlly involved with the various version before color and mp3 support, so i do undersnatd what it takes :-D |
| 04:37:42 | Drumr | although... i cannot type |
| 04:38:01 | Drumr | you have a 30gb 5gen? |
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| 04:38:14 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 04:38:18 | Drumr | cool |
| 04:38:19 | Nimdae | i use rockbox on it, heh |
| 04:38:22 | Drumr | :-D |
| 04:38:31 | Nimdae | supposedly we got some battery improvements coming |
| 04:38:36 | Nimdae | and possibly usb |
| 04:38:36 | Drumr | i have the 60gb black |
| 04:38:42 | Drumr | that would be nice |
| 04:38:52 | Drumr | anything better than ID3 for people using itunes? |
| 04:39:02 | Drumr | and what aout scroll support |
| 04:39:10 | Drumr | or... a specialized build? |
| 04:39:18 | Drumr | ive been out of rockbox for a few months |
| 04:39:22 | tehsmo | like, accelerated scrolling? |
| 04:39:33 | tychver | *tychver hides |
| 04:39:36 | Drumr | lol |
| 04:39:45 | Drumr | i hate accelerated scrolling :-D |
| 04:39:50 | Nimdae | well, considering how itunes stores the media, it's difficult to use anything other than the tag database |
| 04:39:52 | tychver | I was supposed to be resyncing the scroll acceleration patch this week |
| 04:40:00 | Drumr | yea trus |
| 04:40:00 | tehsmo | ah |
| 04:40:08 | Drumr | true* |
| 04:40:13 | Nimdae | well, what i've noticed with the scrolling is it's heavily tied to the cpu speed |
| 04:40:20 | Nimdae | if you scroll while idle, it's slow |
| 04:40:25 | Drumr | yea, excuse me guys if i appear as a n00b... :) |
| 04:40:26 | Drumr | lol |
| 04:40:32 | tehsmo | well, it's only failing at 2 hunks, not *too* bad. ;) |
| 04:40:36 | Nimdae | if you scroll while playing music, particularly when it's boosting, it's faster |
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| 04:40:54 | Soap | the 5G has a large screen to update. |
| 04:41:03 | Drumr | usually when i scrolled my music skips |
| 04:41:13 | Soap | Drumr: even on a current build? |
| 04:41:16 | tychver | yeah, are the list scrolling optimisations working? |
| 04:41:18 | Drumr | nah |
| 04:41:26 | Drumr | thats probably a month ago |
| 04:41:39 | tychver | so if you scroll only one line it doesn't redraw the entire screen? |
| 04:41:40 | Drumr | im now gonna install RB again after updating apple f/w |
| 04:41:42 | tychver | someone should really fix that |
| 04:42:08 | Soap | with the new(er) scheduler, Drumr, audio playback take a front seat and you shouldn't be able to cause playback glitches anymore while scrolling. |
| 04:42:12 | Soap | Though |
| 04:42:22 | Soap | Scrolling is even slower than it was (while playing music) |
| 04:42:41 | Nimdae | i've really only been disatisfied with the scrolling while idle |
| 04:42:46 | Nimdae | but i don't want it to boost just to scroll |
| 04:42:53 | Drumr | Soap: great |
| 04:43:21 | Drumr | it limits cpu clock while idle? |
| 04:43:28 | Soap | when the coprocessor support gets up to speed, though, that should give you the best of both worlds, though I don't think scrolling will be as fast as in Apple Firmware until something like the Scroll Acceleration patch gets committed. |
| 04:44:04 | Nimdae | it seems like the scroll wheel input could be implemented better |
| 04:44:18 | Nimdae | but what do i know? |
| 04:44:25 | Nimdae | i'm not a programmer :P |
| 04:44:29 | Drumr | :) |
| 04:44:48 | Drumr | hmm, how do i use the IPL bootloader w/ rockbox? |
| 04:45:06 | Drumr | i saw a guide to that on the RB site a while ago... is that option still around? |
| 04:45:08 | tychver | not long ago there was a patch to change how the scroll values were captured |
| 04:45:16 | tychver | I don't know if it was ever committed |
| 04:45:23 | Soap | the IPL bootloader should detect your rockbox.ipod file and give you an option in the boot menu? |
| 04:45:26 | Soap | loader2? |
| 04:45:30 | tychver | I'm mostly learning on the job so a few of these things are beyond me |
| 04:45:41 | Drumr | yea... how do you install the IPL bootloader? ;) |
| 04:45:59 | Soap | #ipodlinux |
| 04:46:56 | Drumr | http://ipodlinux.org/IPod_Application_Manager |
| 04:46:56 | Drumr | hmm |
| 04:47:05 | Drumr | thanks soap :) |
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| 05:48:53 | gantrixx | I know this isn't the place to ask it, but I was wondering if someone who is familiar with the iAudio X5 could help me |
| 05:49:07 | gantrixx | my X5 seems to have become a read-only file system |
| 05:49:20 | gantrixx | I can't delete or add files to it |
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| 05:54:22 | gantrixx | 120 people in this chat room......anyone at the keyboard? |
| 05:54:48 | ze | not anyone who knows anything about that i guess |
| 05:55:13 | Drumr | ipl automated bootloader > rockbox bootloader |
| 05:55:29 | gantrixx | because if I can't write to it, I can't even install the bootloader |
| 05:55:32 | Drumr | why isnt the ipl automated loader in the rockbox documentation? |
| 05:55:41 | Drumr | wait |
| 05:55:47 | Drumr | worry |
| 05:55:55 | Drumr | i wasnt speaking to you :) no offense |
| 05:56:07 | Drumr | i dont know about the x5... sorry |
| 05:56:21 | Drumr | possibly a HDD error? |
| 05:56:28 | Drumr | any chance you dropped it? |
| 05:57:03 | tehsmo | gantrixx: running linux or windows? |
| 05:57:10 | gantrixx | linux |
| 05:57:14 | tehsmo | ah |
| 05:57:16 | tehsmo | check dmesg |
| 05:57:16 | gantrixx | fc6 |
| 05:57:42 | tehsmo | linux will mount a drive read-only if errors occur in the filesystem driver |
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| 05:57:54 | tehsmo | so, for example, when I unplugged my ipod without unmounting a couple days ago |
| 05:57:55 | Coldtoast | hey all |
| 05:58:03 | tehsmo | I got FAT filesystem panic in my dmesg |
| 05:58:04 | tehsmo | and it mounted read-only |
| 05:58:08 | gantrixx | ok, it looks like I get a bunch of filesystem panic (dev sda1) error |
| 05:58:15 | Coldtoast | does rockbox work on the latest 30GB ipod? |
| 05:58:18 | tehsmo | ahha |
| 05:58:29 | scorche | Coldtoast: yes |
| 05:58:33 | Coldtoast | I'm about to go buy a new ipod and the 8GB nano is the same price as the 30GB ipod |
| 05:58:35 | gantrixx | how do I fix this |
| 05:58:38 | Coldtoast | excellent |
| 05:58:42 | tehsmo | gantrixx: well, depends on the cause |
| 05:58:49 | tehsmo | you can try fscking the filesystem |
| 05:59:00 | gantrixx | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1) |
| 05:59:00 | gantrixx | invalid access to FAT (entry 0x92fb50a3) |
| 05:59:03 | gantrixx | this is all it says |
| 05:59:04 | tehsmo | if you just forgot to unmount before unplugging it's probably fixable |
| 05:59:04 | tehsmo | hmm |
| 05:59:06 | tehsmo | interesting |
| 05:59:09 | gantrixx | well there are a bunch of these |
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| 06:00:01 | tehsmo | you could try fscking it and see what it comes up with |
| 06:00:10 | Drumr | #itunes |
| 06:00:11 | tehsmo | make sure to enable interactive fixing so you can see what went wrong |
| 06:00:16 | Drumr | ahh sorry |
| 06:00:36 | gantrixx | so just fsck /media/IAUDIO |
| 06:01:15 | tehsmo | well, you need the correct fsck, that's probably ext2 iirc |
| 06:01:33 | tehsmo | try either dosfsck, fsck.fat, or something like that |
| 06:01:52 | tehsmo | and use the -r switch |
| 06:02:10 | tehsmo | also, unmount it before doing this |
| 06:03:23 | gantrixx | ok I'm doing an dosfsck /dev/sda1 |
| 06:03:53 | gantrixx | it asks: 1) use first FAT, 2) Use second FAT |
| 06:04:11 | gantrixx | what does that mean? |
| 06:04:17 | tehsmo | hmm. I've never seen that before |
| 06:04:31 | tehsmo | probably means the filesystem has two file allocation tables on it |
| 06:04:42 | tehsmo | so one may give different results than the other, perhaps try both |
| 06:05:27 | tychver | tesmo: the scroll accel patch doesn't compile even if it is resynced, it needs to be changed to use bitmaps |
| 06:05:43 | gantrixx | wow, I'm just guessing at stuff |
| 06:05:55 | tehsmo | tychver: ah. no fun |
| 06:06:29 | gantrixx | I'd be happy if I could just erase everything and start from scratch |
| 06:06:48 | tehsmo | that you could probably do as well, although I don't know much about that |
| 06:06:54 | tehsmo | except that itunes+emergency disk mode could do it |
| 06:09:05 | gantrixx | I wonder if I plugged it into a windows box, if it would work |
| 06:09:44 | gantrixx | I guess I'll fire up the windows box |
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| 06:12:43 | tehsmo | gantrixx: also, if you want ot determine if HD failure is the cause of the errors, you could try testing for bad blocks |
| 06:12:51 | tehsmo | although that would probably take quite a while |
| 06:14:40 | tychver | tehsmo: I was considering reimplementing it better way anyway, having acceleration as a product of time spent scrolling above the threshhold and the speed of scrolling |
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| 06:15:40 | tehsmo | tychver: ah. yeah, that does sound better |
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| 06:18:46 | tychver | tehsmo: well I find that scrolling is very jerky with the current way of just using it as a product of the number of continuous scrolls |
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| 06:19:10 | tehsmo | yeah |
| 06:19:37 | tehsmo | makes sense that speed of scrolling would affect it as well, although I'd have to try it out in practice to be sure |
| 06:19:48 | gantrixx | tehsmo: could it have anything to do with this selinux stuff? |
| 06:19:53 | tychver | I think that's the way that apple do it |
| 06:20:04 | tychver | gantrixx: definately |
| 06:20:27 | tychver | are you accessing the drive as root? |
| 06:20:39 | gantrixx | no |
| 06:20:47 | tychver | then you should try that |
| 06:20:47 | gantrixx | but I have tried chmod as root |
| 06:20:57 | tychver | try accessing the drive as root |
| 06:20:57 | gantrixx | and it won't do it |
| 06:21:18 | tychver | there may be other reasons as to why it won't do it |
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| 06:21:38 | tychver | and you often can't chmod a folder even as root if it's currently in use by a daemon |
| 06:21:44 | tychver | ie an automounter |
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| 06:25:18 | gantrixx | strange, I just plugged a jump drive into it and I was able to create and erase a file |
| 06:25:29 | gantrixx | let me ask the fedora guys if they know anything about this |
| 06:27:44 | tehsmo | well, I think the filesystem panic is pretty indicative of it being a screwed up fs |
| 06:28:08 | tehsmo | that or your kernel incorrectly thinks it's messed up |
| 06:29:48 | goffa | yippie... gigabeat merge |
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| 06:33:59 | jeffb | ata is an interesting protocol |
| 06:34:08 | jeffb | been writing a lot of new routines to test on the 5.5g ipod |
| 06:34:17 | World_Entity | sup sup |
| 06:34:53 | World_Entity | jeff...you workin' with the 80gb or 30 |
| 06:37:27 | jeffb | 80gb |
| 06:38:18 | World_Entity | good on ya man... honestly I don't know what the hell i'm doing half the time. but it hasn't stopped me from screwing around on my new christmas present. |
| 06:38:32 | World_Entity | can't wait the get that ish working man |
| 06:39:48 | World_Entity | made any exciting discoveries yet? |
| 06:46:38 | jeffb | haven't really discovered anything yet... |
| 06:46:52 | jeffb | I'm issuing simple commands to the disk controller and looking at the output |
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| 06:53:24 | World_Entity | so what's the main difference between the 80gb 5.5 and the rest of the apple lineups...the ata controller? also read something about it being 2048 instead of 512 or something like this? do you think these things will stump the Rockbox developers for life or are you guys confident you can figure this one out? it's just a matter of time right? |
| 06:53:52 | jeffb | nah I don't think it will stump us for life |
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| 06:53:59 | jeffb | developers for rockbox are very smart |
| 06:54:10 | World_Entity | oh..i have no doubt |
| 06:54:17 | World_Entity | i love you guys... |
| 06:54:24 | jeffb | the 5.5g ipods have a sector size of 2048 bytes. |
| 06:54:49 | World_Entity | are you one of the many predominent developers...ahhh yes...sector size..that's right |
| 06:54:59 | jeffb | I am not an official developer |
| 06:55:06 | jeffb | though perhaps one day I will attain that status |
| 06:55:12 | World_Entity | just a hobbiest |
| 06:55:28 | World_Entity | fun shit though...i love problem solving |
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| 06:57:35 | World_Entity | am i correct in assuming the main problem lies around the loader not the rockbox os... |
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| 07:00:16 | tehsmo | hmm, anyone here use bookmarks much? |
| 07:01:16 | * | tehsmo is wondering if anyone has thoughts on how bookmarks should work with the tag database |
| 07:02:22 | JdGordon | tehsmo: sort of... the current bookmark implementatino sux (imho). I rekon it shhuold be replaced by savgin a copy of the .playlist_control file with some resume information |
| 07:02:34 | JdGordon | then it would work with very minimal effort |
| 07:02:50 | JdGordon | but I dont understand how that file gets updated/saved... |
| 07:02:58 | jeffb | hrm I think READ_SECTOR_EXT might be needed on this larger drive |
| 07:02:58 | tehsmo | savgin? |
| 07:02:58 | jeffb | rather than READ_SECTOR_EXT |
| 07:03:00 | JdGordon | saving |
| 07:03:04 | tehsmo | ah |
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| 07:03:31 | tehsmo | yeah, I've been digging through the current implementation ..it's a mess as far as trying to adapt to the database goes |
| 07:04:20 | tehsmo | I'll look at that playlist_control file |
| 07:06:54 | jeffb | World_Entity, the main problem with the 5.5g 80gb isn't known, but several here think the disk controller could be modified or the drive may not responsd to PIO |
| 07:07:41 | tehsmo | hmm, I think the playlist_control file is just a file version of the regular playlist control structures ..shouldn't be too hard to mess with |
| 07:07:54 | tehsmo | I need to figure out more about how playlist.c and the tagcache work together, though |
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| 07:10:04 | tehsmo | I'm tempted to for now, just make a patch that'll allow resuming from individual files |
| 07:10:20 | tehsmo | so you would navigate to the playlist you want like normal, then start the file you want, then go into the context menu and load the bookmark |
| 07:10:55 | tehsmo | that much functionality could be implemented without *too* much effort, albeit rather hackishly |
| 07:14:37 | World_Entity | jeff: hmmm... well, I wish the best to all the rockbox developers then... apple is probably gonna stick with this new sector size and ata controllers because I'm sure they are developing something a lot more juicy on the same hardware...we're all just test dummies right now...things are not gonna change anytime too soon...keep up the good work guys.. |
| 07:15:01 | World_Entity | gotta run |
| 07:15:08 | JdGordon | tehsmo: if you can figure out how to save the playlist_control file seperatly then all that needs to be done is change the .bmark hanndler to the playlist loader and it wll work with everything, so noting special for tagcache |
| 07:16:58 | tehsmo | hmm. so far I can't seem to find that file being saved at all |
| 07:17:18 | tehsmo | (using the simulator with find -name ) |
| 07:17:56 | JdGordon | thats where i got stuck.... the fd is kept open the whole time and stored in playlist->current_fd (i think). so I think replacing that and calling whatever does a full recreate would work.. but i dunno |
| 07:18:25 | tehsmo | ah |
| 07:19:41 | tehsmo | hmm, tagtree.c isn't too big. I might print it out tomorrow and read through it |
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| 07:20:19 | tehsmo | maybe I'll print out playlist.c as well |
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| 07:21:25 | * | JdGordon thinks tehsmo has shares in his local paper/ink maker :D |
| 07:21:42 | tehsmo | heh |
| 07:21:54 | tehsmo | it's only 22 duplexed pages for the both of them. :) |
| 07:22:15 | tehsmo | it's too bad I'm not at school at the moment, they have laser printers with auto-duplex |
| 07:22:20 | tehsmo | no flipping sheets or anything |
| 07:28:23 | tehsmo | I think I'll make some use cases for bookmarks to clear my head on how to go about this. the wiki sounds like a good place for that. :) |
| 07:29:33 | tehsmo | although I'm not registered on it atm |
| 07:30:46 | JdGordon | tehsmo: register and tell me your nick and il give you write access |
| 07:30:54 | tehsmo | ok |
| 07:32:37 | tehsmo | go, email server go |
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| 07:38:39 | tehsmo | hmm, seems the activation email is lost in the internet somewhere. I may just go to bed and finish signing up in the morning |
| 07:40:13 | PaulPosition | Hahaha... Youtube videos of rockDoom on Sansa E200.. *That* will be the death of you!! (err, shouldn't I rather be crying..?) |
| 07:40:23 | PaulPosition | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV70iyTy-MU |
| 07:42:04 | mightybrick | Is the forum server down? I can't seem to connect. |
| 07:42:19 | PaulPosition | right. |
| 07:42:39 | JdGordon | PaulPosition: he looks like he has more control than on the h300! |
| 07:42:41 | mightybrick | OK. Thanks. |
| 07:44:25 | PaulPosition | JdGordon: He does indeed.. Sansa looks just like a gamepad. I think I'd want the screen tilted 90 deg. for games and movies. Not that I own such a device. |
| 07:45:03 | PaulPosition | mightybrick - It wasn't down a few minutes ago when I stumbled upond a link to that video in the Sansa thread... |
| 07:45:39 | tehsmo | yeah, I'll just go to bed for now. thanks for the help, JdGordon. later all |
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| 07:45:44 | JdGordon | ok |
| 07:46:34 | mightybrick | PaulPosition - Hmmm. I can't get it to come up. I was checking a page on the wiki, and clicked the forum link, and it won't load. It's been about 15 min now trying to load. |
| 07:47:43 | mightybrick | PaulPosition - nevermind. It works now. Weird... |
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| 07:54:18 | jpmaximilian | why would i get the output [ERR] No ipods found. when I run ./ipodpatcher −−scan, even though there is an ipod moutned on my desktop? |
| 07:54:47 | bagawk | jpmaximilian: linux? |
| 07:54:54 | jpmaximilian | ubuntu 6.10 |
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| 07:55:40 | bagawk | jpmaximilian: escalate the privledges with 'sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan' |
| 07:56:09 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: same result |
| 07:57:26 | bagawk | :/ I am not really familiar with the iPod tools (I have the 80gb, not supported yet) so I am not really sure what to tell you |
| 07:57:57 | bagawk | jpmaximilian: might be able to just tell it to use a spefic device (/dev/sda most likely) |
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| 08:01:54 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: i ran mount, the interesting part is, /dev/sda2 on /media/ipod type vfat |
| 08:02:17 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: so i run sudo ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -a bootloader-\ ipod3g.ipod |
| 08:02:38 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: and i get [ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting |
| 08:03:15 | PaulPosition | What would be a rockbox error -6 ? |
| 08:03:24 | PaulPosition | Or where would I look for insight? |
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| 08:07:10 | bagawk | jpmaximilian: what about /dev/sda1? it seems that is the boot partition |
| 08:08:37 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: [ERR] Bad boot sector signature |
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| 08:12:24 | bagawk | jpmaximilian: honestly not sure |
| 08:12:39 | jpmaximilian | bagawk: alright, thanks for the help anyways |
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| 08:22:40 | amiconn | jpmaximilian: Ipodpatcher needs access to the whole device, not a partition. So use /dev/sda |
| 08:23:18 | amiconn | PaulPosition: In the bootloader? |
| 08:24:51 | amiconn | markun: The gigabeat sim is RED. |
| 08:25:02 | jpmaximilian | amiconn: do i need to be working from an ipod with apple's firmware on it, or can i have reformatted it to ext3? |
| 08:30:14 | PaulPosition | amiconn - Yup. |
| 08:30:34 | PaulPosition | Not for me, a dude's install probably went wrong. |
| 08:32:02 | PaulPosition | amiconn - Happens when he tries to dualboot into OF on an iRiver H10. But I'm willing to go and fetch the information myself if I know where to look. (there ain't nothing like 'error codes' in the wiki for 'nstance) |
| 08:33:25 | PaulPosition | I suggested he may not have properly decrypted it, but I figured it wouldn't hurt learning where to fish for that info given the lot of messages I answer over at misticriver.. :p |
| 08:34:43 | PaulPosition | Oh, it just dawned on me that your "In the bootloader?" may have been more of a zen/yoda instruction than an actual question... |
| 08:35:14 | PaulPosition | heh |
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| 08:47:17 | jpmaximilian | i get an error "[ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000)" when trying to run ipodpatcher |
| 08:50:23 | jpmaximilian | i seem to have found an answer, the ipodpatcher doesn't work for 3g ipods |
| 08:50:23 | jpmaximilian | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7851.0 |
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| 09:32:50 | GodEater | Anyone around who'd care to give me write access to the Wiki ? |
| 09:33:37 | Coldtoast | hey again |
| 09:33:52 | Coldtoast | what's the state of vid playback on the ipod using rb? |
| 09:34:40 | amiconn | GodEater: wikiname? |
| 09:35:44 | * | GodEater resets his password too. Forgotten it completely. |
| 09:36:43 | GodEater | I'm a complete plank this morning |
| 09:36:54 | GodEater | Resetting your password isn't a bright idea when you've not entered your email address |
| 09:38:30 | GodEater | Coldtoast: have you read today's / yesterday's IRC log ? |
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| 09:43:17 | Coldtoast | nope |
| 09:43:36 | GodEater | well if you do - you'll know what the status is |
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| 09:47:38 | gopp | I got one question |
| 09:47:38 | Coldtoast | where's the log? |
| 09:47:42 | Coldtoast | rb.org? |
| 09:47:44 | gopp | zune and rockbox any work |
| 09:47:54 | gopp | will thier be a port |
| 09:47:59 | gopp | is it worth for me to save up and get a zune |
| 09:48:11 | scorche | sounds like 3 |
| 09:48:51 | Coldtoast | GodEater: the log's quite big. care to just give me a brief summary? |
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| 09:48:59 | scorche | there wont be a port unless someone comes forward with the time, motivation, capability, and the device |
| 09:49:17 | scorche | Coldtoast: search |
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| 09:49:55 | GodEater | Coldtoast: all I'd be doing is reading it and summarising it. Why should I do that for you? You have eyes don't you ? |
| 09:50:49 | Coldtoast | what I'm after is an overview of what codecs are supported |
| 09:50:58 | Coldtoast | and how well they play |
| 09:51:05 | GodEater | well have a read and find out then |
| 09:51:06 | scorche | mpeg2 elemental video stream |
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| 09:54:54 | GodEater | jeffb: you must be an insomniac |
| 09:57:42 | jeffb | yes |
| 09:57:48 | jeffb | I'm on vacation |
| 09:57:52 | jeffb | so my schedule is all screwed pu |
| 09:57:55 | jeffb | up |
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| 10:01:57 | GodEater | I'm on a real downer today - I got all excited when I worked out the drive in the 80G is ATA-7, and figured we MUST have missed a setting for it. And then we hadn't - and the stuff in the ATA-7 registers makes no sense :( |
| 10:03:01 | jeffb | yup I've been looking at the code too |
| 10:03:43 | jeffb | I wonder if the ata interface should be using READ_SECTORS_EXT rather than just READ_SECTORS. 80gb is rather large for such an old read command |
| 10:04:40 | GodEater | it doesn't need 48 bit addressing though |
| 10:04:46 | GodEater | you only need that above 137Gb IIRC |
| 10:04:57 | jeffb | ah |
| 10:05:27 | GodEater | besides - someone already commited LBA48 code :) |
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| 10:06:48 | GodEater | also - I don't think we're using READ SECTORS by default on those drives anyway - we're using READ MULTIPLE since the drive reports it supports it |
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| 10:39:34 | jeffb | GodEater, any ideas? |
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| 10:39:49 | GodEater | on? |
| 10:40:13 | jeffb | ata issue |
| 10:41:13 | GodEater | disassembly of the flash image again |
| 10:41:24 | GodEater | which means we're back to trying to get it off the iPod somehow |
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| 10:41:52 | GodEater | all the PIO stuff we've tried screws up |
| 10:41:59 | jeffb | yup same here |
| 10:42:06 | GodEater | so all I have left is that we get DMA working |
| 10:42:15 | GodEater | and we need a lot of info to make that happen |
| 10:42:19 | jeffb | yeah |
| 10:43:05 | GodEater | otherwise I'm fresh out of ideas |
| 10:43:09 | GodEater | :( |
| 10:43:44 | GodEater | unless the mysterious MrH walks in from stage left with a miracle :) |
| 10:43:50 | jeffb | heh |
| 10:45:54 | jeffb | I'm out of idea myself |
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| 10:47:26 | linuxstb | It could simply be some unknown initialisation in the portalplayer ATA hardware that we don't do. But I'm 99% sure the 80GB's flash is the same as the 30GB's (if you compare the same version...). |
| 10:47:34 | linuxstb | We could ask Slasheri to upgrade his firmware (downloading the .ipsw file, unzipping it, then dd'ing it to his ipod). |
| 10:48:15 | linuxstb | But yes, disassembling the flash seems the way to go. |
| 10:48:17 | GodEater | in which case we can just disassemble the 30G's flash image |
| 10:48:29 | linuxstb | GodEater: Exactly... |
| 10:48:43 | GodEater | which is the easy bit - it's groking it afterwards that I'll pass on :) |
| 10:49:18 | linuxstb | Yes, it's not easy, but it will guarantee results eventually. The bootloader accesses the disk, so the answer must be there. |
| 10:49:24 | jeffb | I was able to load the 30 gig flash image on to the drive as a payload and jump to it's entry point... I was able to get disk mode working... |
| 10:49:55 | linuxstb | jeffb: Interesting... |
| 10:50:24 | linuxstb | How did you map RAM? |
| 10:51:06 | jeffb | I loaded the image at nearly the end of the ram (32 mb payload) |
| 10:51:12 | jeffb | and so I guess it used the same ram areas |
| 10:51:19 | jeffb | I didn't map the ram differently |
| 10:51:34 | linuxstb | So the flash itself wasn't running from address 0x0? |
| 10:51:35 | jeffb | nope |
| 10:51:48 | linuxstb | Then maybe it just jumped to the "real" flash. |
| 10:51:55 | jeffb | possible |
| 10:52:14 | jeffb | actually it probably did |
| 10:52:15 | jeffb | damn |
| 10:52:33 | jeffb | :/ |
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| 10:52:53 | linuxstb | You would need to remap at least part of RAM to address 0x0, to hide the existing flash, and put the 30GB's flash there. |
| 10:53:08 | linuxstb | But then we don't know what RAM the flash code uses. |
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| 10:55:09 | jeffb | yeah :/ |
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| 10:56:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: (as you've done a lot of gcc bug-hunting) - I don't know if you read in the logs, but hcs is using gcc-4.0.3 and binutils 2.16 and his builds don't freeze on the PP5020. I'm using gcc-4.0.3 and binutils 2.16.1 and my builds do. So I was wondering if you had any thoughts... Also, I'm on Mac OS X, but I don't know about hcs. |
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| 11:05:14 | pixelma | linuxstb: I don't know if this info helps but an older version of binutils caused some corrupted files in sim builds for me (codecs and plugins) |
| 11:06:14 | jeffb | welp I give up for awhile GodEater |
| 11:06:21 | jeffb | need to come back to it a bit later :/ |
| 11:07:12 | linuxstb | pixelma; Thanks. In this case, it seems a newer version breaks things... |
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| 11:16:08 | pixelma | at least it shows that there must be a difference that affects rockbox builds |
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| 11:18:36 | linuxstb | I'm currently installing binutils 2.16 myself, just to make sure that the other differences (host OS, host gcc version) don't affect things. |
| 11:18:38 | mattchew13 | hey |
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| 11:19:40 | mattchew13 | does any body know how to install linux on 30 5.5 genration ipod using windows |
| 11:20:01 | mattchew13 | does any body know how to install linux on 30gb 5.5 genration ipod using windows |
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| 11:20:23 | GodEater | wrong channel |
| 11:20:33 | mattchew13 | what channel |
| 11:20:40 | GodEater | #ipodlinux |
| 11:20:46 | linuxstb | mattchew13: 1) Wrong channel; 2) I don't think IPL works on the 5.5g ipod yet. |
| 11:21:18 | ferrarienzo125 | yeah it does |
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| 11:21:32 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo125: On FAT32 ipods? |
| 11:21:38 | ferrarienzo125 | ppl on here are theonly ppl that noe how to do it |
| 11:21:39 | ferrarienzo125 | yeah |
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| 11:23:27 | linuxstb | ferrarienzo125: Are there install instructions we can point people to who ask? |
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| 11:24:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: if someone gets all bored he could analyse working/non-working daily builds with regards to the server they've been build and the specific build environments |
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| 11:24:37 | mattchew13 | how do i change channels |
| 11:24:46 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm not that bored... But I'm starting with comparing my builds with hcs's. |
| 11:24:48 | GodEater | get a real irc client |
| 11:24:59 | ydo | mattchew13: /join #channel |
| 11:25:08 | linuxstb | The rockbox client is only for accessing #rockbox. |
| 11:26:39 | markun | Did Bagder say when he would be back? |
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| 11:27:00 | linuxstb | markun: I didn't know he left... |
| 11:27:47 | markun | amiconn: Yes, I noticed I broke the gigabeat sim. Will fix it after the rest of the code has been merged. |
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| 11:28:34 | Montana89 | if apple release the newest firmware (1.2.1) its stupid cause it dosent stop anything |
| 11:29:13 | GodEater | more nonsensical rambling to endure. Marvellous. |
| 11:30:10 | linuxstb | Montana89: What are you talking about? |
| 11:31:39 | Montana89 | y did apple make 1.2.1 theres no point...are they trying to stop addinf firmwares like rockbox and ipl cuz they did fuck all |
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| 11:35:21 | Montana89 | how do i use gamboy emulators on rockbox??? some guy said it works is this true? |
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| 11:39:58 | Montana89 | and how do i install ipl ON MY 5.5G ipod |
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| 11:40:28 | tychver | Montana89: Checked the forums? |
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| 11:46:13 | linuxstb | Montana89: To install Rockbox on your 5.5g (and to see what else it can do), read the manual - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 11:46:22 | linuxstb | To install IPL, visit www.ipodlinux.org |
| 11:46:30 | Montana89 | tychver: yep ive checked everywhere |
| 11:46:47 | Montana89 | i have rockbox on my pod its awesome by the way |
| 11:47:01 | Montana89 | but im not sure about ipl |
| 11:47:45 | linuxstb | This isn't the place to ask about ipl. |
| 11:48:08 | Montana89 | what is the place ipl.org sucks it has no forumsor nothing! |
| 11:48:31 | linuxstb | The forums are at http://ipodlinux.org/forums/ |
| 11:49:00 | Montana89 | ok thanks linuxstb |
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| 11:54:46 | Montana89 | nope nothing on the 5.5g for now so i can giv it a rest |
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| 12:06:27 | ydo | hmm.. isn't there a newer plugin-api somewhere? do I have to read the source? |
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| 12:20:49 | ydo | is it possible to write a plugin i C++ instead? |
| 12:21:41 | linuxstb | I guess you could in theory, but you would have to work out how yourself - no-one has done it before. |
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| 12:46:39 | ashes | hello |
| 12:48:16 | ashes | the Makefile has '-m5206e -Wa,-m5249'. this doesn't work with the latest binutils. im wondering if i should use '-march=5206e -mtune=5249', or '-march=5249' |
| 12:49:11 | ashes | that doesn't work |
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| 12:51:40 | ashes | '-m5206e -Wa,-m5206e' ? |
| 12:51:54 | ashes | that doesn't work either |
| 12:58:16 | ydo | when compiling minimal plugin code with g++: cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wno-pointer-sign" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++ |
| 12:58:20 | ydo | failed to load /.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock |
| 12:58:22 | ydo | dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock: undefined symbol: __gxx_personality_v0 |
| 12:58:25 | ydo | when trying to open it |
| 12:58:45 | ydo | so I guess I'm stuck with C |
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| 13:06:13 | nls_web | ashes: amiconn was talking about that when he tried to build coldfire with gcc>4.0 there is some problem with passing the target architecture to the assembler because gcc doesnt know m5249 and assembling with m5206 doesn't work. |
| 13:06:52 | nls_web | does anyone have an opinion on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5049 I quite like it. |
| 13:09:04 | nls_web | should fs#6170 be closed? this was implemented in another way, no? |
| 13:11:07 | linuxstb | nls_web: FS #5049 was discussed in IRC a while ago. I think the concensus was that the idea was liked, but it should be extended to give Rockbox a "root menu" that is displayed, and the startup screen is then a default selection in that root menu. |
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| 13:12:31 | webguest02 | Hi. I wanted to try the actual Senab built but it seems to be down. Could anyone send it to me? |
| 13:14:06 | nls_web | linuxstb: like a menu with file browser, menu, recording, radio, etc? |
| 13:14:47 | * | nls_web guesse that will face some resitance by some of the old-timers here ;-) |
| 13:15:15 | linuxstb | The old-timers were part of the discussion... |
| 13:15:30 | linuxstb | If you check IRC from around the time of that patch, you may find the discussion. |
| 13:15:58 | nls_web | ok, thanks |
| 13:16:20 | nls_web | webguest02, from the senab thread "I'm going to perfect the build today then release it tonight." |
| 13:17:07 | * | linuxstb looks forward to a "perfect" build... |
| 13:18:06 | nls_web | :-D |
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| 13:20:01 | dpro | hi |
| 13:20:46 | dpro | anyone of you guys here @23c3 in berlin ? |
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| 13:30:23 | markun | dpro: I would have liked to be at the 23c3 |
| 13:30:34 | markun | but now I will just listen to the lectures online |
| 13:31:05 | dpro | markun: yeah I'm too busy to watch most things for all the social things going on here ;) |
| 13:38:05 | KingLevel | does iPod games works on RockBox? |
| 13:38:11 | markun | no |
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| 13:38:20 | linuxstb | Rockbox games work on the ipod... |
| 13:38:58 | KingLevel | aa! for real!? :-D hah |
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| 13:41:59 | markun | anyone here who can add a gigabeat installation section to the forums? |
| 13:45:22 | linuxstb | Probably just Llorean when he wakes up... |
| 13:46:05 | linuxstb | But maybe it's worth waiting until the daily/cvs builds are added? |
| 13:46:19 | markun | yes, that too |
| 13:46:20 | linuxstb | Also, is everything else in place? i.e. bootloader binaries and install instructions? |
| 13:46:59 | markun | no |
| 13:47:02 | linuxstb | Bagder (or LinusN/Zagor) will need to put the bootloaders on download.rockbox.org, but I guess you could host them elsewhere temporarily... |
| 13:47:32 | markun | I will have to wait for Bagder anyway to add rockbox do the dailies |
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| 13:50:55 | dpro | a little off topic - but a friend gave me her bricked ipod last night and it does only occasionally show up as a disk and when linux tries to access it it goes into the apple maintainance screen ... any ideas what to try ? (or how to open the damn thing non-destructively) ? |
| 13:52:26 | linuxstb | No, I've never managed to open an ipod... |
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| 13:53:18 | linuxstb | All the guides I've seen refer to a special plastic tool. But others have suggested a guitar-pick will do just as well. But I have neither. |
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| 13:54:09 | dpro | play & select should make emergency disk mode right ? |
| 13:56:22 | dpro | hmmm it works till : localhost kernel: sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb |
| 13:56:33 | dpro | and dies after: localhost kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 13:56:50 | dpro | seems like a broken disk |
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| 14:25:23 | dpro | what would the emergency disk mode _look_ like on the screen ? |
| 14:26:03 | linuxstb | A grey screen with "Do not disconnect" at the bottom. |
| 14:26:37 | linuxstb | What kind of ipod is it? |
| 14:27:10 | dpro | still greyscale but clickwheel |
| 14:27:34 | linuxstb | That sounds like a 4G then. |
| 14:27:57 | linuxstb | Assuming it's not a mini. |
| 14:27:58 | dpro | ah so it's the only mode I now as a linux & rockbox user (never booted apple's fw again ;) |
| 14:28:01 | dpro | nono |
| 14:28:11 | dpro | it'S a 20gb |
| 14:29:59 | dpro | ah damnit ... I'll put it in the freezer overnight and just recompiled usb-storage.ko with CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y ... let's see if that will tell me more ... |
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| 14:47:04 | ydo | I get a segmentation fault using strtok_r: |
| 14:47:05 | ydo | 50 **end = '\0'; /* zero terminate it! */ |
| 14:47:15 | ydo | (gdb) p *end |
| 14:47:15 | ydo | $20 = 0xb2bb3bcf " annan annorlunda banan" |
| 14:47:18 | ydo | why is that? |
| 14:51:04 | ydo | if I strdup the string before using strtok_r its alright.. why can't I write to the memory? |
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| 15:01:27 | Slasheri | you should also see the mention in the manual: "Never use these functions." |
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| 15:01:48 | Slasheri | strtok modifies the original source string |
| 15:01:50 | daurnimator | hey linuxstb |
| 15:01:55 | daurnimator | just playing with my new camera |
| 15:02:03 | daurnimator | and made a vid of my gmini |
| 15:02:37 | daurnimator | shite |
| 15:02:42 | daurnimator | just went to upload |
| 15:02:47 | daurnimator | and its 65mb :S |
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| 15:03:06 | thegeek | some cameras encode in a very space-inefficient codec |
| 15:03:31 | thegeek | encode with* |
| 15:04:13 | ydo | Slasheri: where can I read that? |
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| 15:04:58 | Slasheri | ydo: are you coding with linux? Just man strtok_r |
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| 15:06:17 | ydo | Slasheri: ah.. yes |
| 15:07:06 | bianconeri | Hello everybody. This is my first crack on rockbox and been trying to install it on my 4th gen grayscale ipod....when trying to backup firmware, I get this "ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting" |
| 15:07:37 | bianconeri | Yet I am sure its an ipod...btw I am on Ubuntu :) |
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| 15:08:56 | thegeek | the 80gb thread on the forum needs some wrath |
| 15:09:00 | daurnimator | heh |
| 15:09:17 | daurnimator | the only piece of video encoding software i have that i can get to work is premiere |
| 15:09:19 | daurnimator | :S |
| 15:09:32 | GodEater | wrath ? |
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| 15:14:47 | thegeek | GodEater: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.msg61647#msg61647 |
| 15:15:27 | GodEater | ah yes - Llorean needs his big boots on for that one |
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| 15:27:30 | ydo | how do I get the default font number? |
| 15:29:13 | markun | linuxstb: is it ok if we assume the yuv code always rotate on portaid screen? |
| 15:33:39 | ydo | is FONT_UI set at compiletime?! |
| 15:35:12 | daurnimator | linuxstb: you still there? |
| 15:36:29 | daurnimator | markun: pic of official gmini WPS screen: daurnimator/RZUgzO8gSYI/AAAAAAAAABM/iB1PA_gK96Y/RIMG0022.JPG?imgmax=144">http://lh6.google.com.au/image/daurnimator/RZUgzO8gSYI/AAAAAAAAABM/iB1PA_gK96Y/RIMG0022.JPG?imgmax=144 |
| 15:37:33 | markun | daurnimator: what about it? |
| 15:37:54 | daurnimator | just playing with my camera |
| 15:37:55 | daurnimator | :P |
| 15:38:00 | daurnimator | i like it |
| 15:38:11 | daurnimator | the gmini interface is really good |
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| 16:01:08 | Lear | Hm.. "Generating notification message" failed on me. |
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| 16:10:33 | markun | Lear: noticed that as well |
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| 16:27:06 | daurnimator | linuxstb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS6tE1eAVnI |
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| 16:35:37 | daurnimator | anyone got some St. Germain? i can't find it on CD anywhere |
| 16:35:46 | daurnimator | or apollo 440 |
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| 16:52:20 | g0n | hi there |
| 16:52:27 | Tam_ | hi |
| 16:53:16 | g0n | can someone tell me the major changes in the latest RockBox versions ? do rockbox compatible to video files ? |
| 16:53:38 | dionoea | not really |
| 16:53:53 | dionoea | it can do mpeg2 raw video (without audio) playback on some players |
| 16:53:58 | Tam_ | anyone got some info on the "rockbox on ipod nano 2nd gen" problem? |
| 16:54:11 | dionoea | but that's more a proof of concept than a real videoplayer |
| 16:54:28 | Tam_ | I wonder if it's still being worked on the firmware decryption or if it has been dropped |
| 16:54:49 | Soap | Tam_: it is being worked on by some. |
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| 16:55:50 | Nico_P | Tam_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 16:55:53 | Tam_ | Soap: how far is development yet, whom can I talk to or where can I get more information? (searched the web for hours already) |
| 16:55:56 | Tam_ | ah |
| 16:56:10 | | Part Exploder |
| 16:56:13 | Tam_ | thx *looking up* |
| 16:57:46 | Tam_ | Nico_P: no info there |
| 16:58:29 | Nico_P | Tam_: oh, sory, I thought you wre the person asking for the major changes |
| 16:59:02 | Tam_ | %) np |
| 16:59:06 | Nico_P | g0n: the link above was for you |
| 16:59:25 | Soap | I don't know what to say, Tam_, work on derypting the firmware is in very very early stages. |
| 16:59:58 | Nico_P | Tam_: have you looked at the forum thread on the nano 2G ? (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0) |
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| 17:00:02 | Tam_ | yeah |
| 17:02:34 | g0n | thank u guys ;9 happy new years eve ;D bya |
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| 17:03:09 | Tam_ | I really wonder why this encrypting is neccessary at all... |
| 17:04:52 | Tam_ | well then in case it takes some time I'd like to know if the default firmware allow to simple use the ipod as usb mass-storage device, or if it depends on itunes/amarok/gtkpod |
| 17:05:01 | Tam_ | +s |
| 17:06:15 | Tam_ | and if decoding of "normal" mp3s works, cos I read something about special encoding - since I'm not an ipod user already, I wonder if this is internet trash or the truth. |
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| 17:10:14 | Galois | the original firmware allows usb mass storage, but it can't play music files that you upload via usb mass storage |
| 17:10:21 | Galois | you can only use usb mass storage for data |
| 17:10:43 | Galois | normal mp3s do work, as long as you upload via itunes/gtkpod/whatever |
| 17:11:25 | Tam_ | thanks |
| 17:11:35 | Tam_ | sounds messy |
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| 17:12:26 | Tam_ | fetch mp3s from a friend, copy them back to my desktop pc and then use gtkpod to copy them back |
| 17:12:38 | Tam_ | ... my brain hurts |
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| 17:14:28 | Galois | you can upload mp3s to the ipod with usb mass storage, just like any other data |
| 17:14:41 | Galois | then take it home and re-up the mp3s via itunes |
| 17:15:01 | Tam_ | that's what I meant |
| 17:15:09 | Tam_ | I just don't get the reason for this |
| 17:15:19 | Tam_ | same device after all |
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| 17:16:41 | Galois | apple wants you to access music via the database of artists and albums, and unlike rockbox, they're too lazy to write code to have the ipod itself maintain the database, so it has to go through the itunes database on the host PC |
| 17:18:23 | Tam_ | aah |
| 17:18:43 | Tam_ | now it makes sense |
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| 17:20:23 | Tam_ | have you from rockbox heard of the "meizu m6" player or layed hands on one yet? I wonder if it could be a nano replacement. |
| 17:20:52 | markun | Tam_: I've heard of it. It uses the same CPU as the iriver Clix |
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| 17:28:49 | Mouser_X | Just wondering, but has anyone looked into getting Rockbox running on the Zune? |
| 17:29:03 | Mouser_X | I figure it'll be a ways off, sure, but I was wondering. |
| 17:29:25 | maquis | people actually bought the zune? |
| 17:29:25 | * | maquis hides |
| 17:29:38 | TheCollector | yeah, I think like 5 did |
| 17:29:44 | markun | Mouser_X: the Gigabeat S is very similar to the Zune |
| 17:29:45 | Mouser_X | I know someone who got it for Christmas. |
| 17:29:55 | markun | and people in #gigabeat have been looking into hacking it |
| 17:30:01 | Mouser_X | Ah. I wouldn't know. |
| 17:31:11 | puetzk | actually, the webpage actually show a commit for gigabeat "including working bootloader and rockbox with audio" today |
| 17:31:26 | puetzk | I don't have one but that sounds like more than looking into it :-) |
| 17:31:26 | markun | puetzk: that's for the gigabeat F and X |
| 17:31:30 | puetzk | ah |
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| 17:34:40 | * | puetzk goes back to figuring out why some of tracks show accents fine and some not |
| 17:34:53 | puetzk | I must have mixed charsets, but it's weird that they all work in amarok |
| 17:37:31 | Soap | -/clear |
| 17:37:31 | Soap | oop |
| 17:41:25 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders why someone wants to clear backlogs on an IRC client ;) |
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| 17:42:45 | Soap | because I have read them, can get them from my .log file if I need to reference them again, and it makes it easier to scroll back to where I last was upon my return in a few hours. |
| 17:43:14 | Soap | now I need to do it again ;) |
| 17:43:56 | bianconeri | Hello everybody. This is my first crack on rockbox and been trying to install it on my 4th gen grayscale ipod....when trying to backup firmware, I get this "ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting" |
| 17:43:59 | bianconeri | Yet I am sure its an ipod...btw I am on Ubuntu :) |
| 17:44:25 | puetzk | what device node are you using? |
| 17:44:46 | bianconeri | /dev/sdf2 |
| 17:44:58 | puetzk | drop the partition - just use sdf |
| 17:45:17 | puetzk | It actually wants the boot block and first (firmware) partition |
| 17:45:53 | bianconeri | Ok ill try that...I don't have my pod now...its in the car:S....see what will happen....thanx puetzk |
| 17:46:11 | puetzk | made the same mistake on my dad's last night anyway |
| 17:46:22 | puetzk | or you could use −−scan like the instructions say :-) |
| 17:46:41 | bianconeri | sure! thanx a mil |
| 17:47:21 | puetzk | does rockbox support any way to group compilation albums under a "Various Artists" category so they don't end up scattered across a ton of entries when using the database? |
| 17:47:52 | Soap | puetzk: I assume you mean in the "Database" view. |
| 17:47:55 | puetzk | yes |
| 17:48:11 | Soap | puetzk: and no, currently The "Album Artist" tag is not currently supported. |
| 17:48:15 | puetzk | Ideally automagically like amarok does (noticing multiple artists on the album), but I can add tags if I knew what to add |
| 17:48:16 | Soap | someone in the forums had a workaround. |
| 17:48:42 | Seedy | A friend of mine reports their H320 gets stuck with MP3/MPC playback with the CVS build from December 26.. should I switch to the latest official release or won't it matter and it's a hardware problem? |
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| 17:49:44 | Soap | puetzk: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7367.0 |
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| 17:52:03 | puetzk | Soap, ooh, and a patch to fix disknumber too. Nice. |
| 17:52:16 | puetzk | yeah, I guess I can live with abusing the composer field on these |
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| 18:01:31 | PaulPosition | Anyone has any ida what sort of server Daniel/Badger is running? Apache/php, I know, but stuff like PEAR or gdlib or some such..? I might take a few days and (try, I'm a noob) build a 'submit your .cfg file' kind of stats/poll like someone suggested a week ago, but I wouldn't have any space to host. |
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| 18:04:14 | Mouser_X | Howdy BHSPitMonkey. |
| 18:04:39 | Genre9mp3 | PaulPosition: To see the most widely used settings? |
| 18:05:07 | PaulPosition | Genremp3 - Yeah, something like a possible basis for good defaults.. Anyone started up something already? |
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| 18:05:33 | Genre9mp3 | PaulPosition: AFAIK no, but it sounds interesting idea |
| 18:05:55 | Genre9mp3 | PaulPosition: Sorry but I can't answer to your previous question though |
| 18:06:24 | PaulPosition | Should be plenty easy and doesn't need to be beautfiul so I guess I'll start coding without fancy things like PEAR and graphics and see later to add whatever's necessary. Thanks anyway :) |
| 18:07:08 | Genre9mp3 | It would be interesting to know how many users actually use features such us, crossfeed, crossfade etc. |
| 18:07:25 | PaulPosition | Exactly. |
| 18:07:35 | Mouser_X | I never use crossfade. |
| 18:07:52 | Mouser_X | And, I don't know what crossfeed is, even. |
| 18:07:59 | markun | I use it all the time |
| 18:08:38 | Genre9mp3 | Mouser_X: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-890006.7 |
| 18:08:39 | PaulPosition | I do wonder if I'll store the unofficial, patched builds, settings too.. Like the crossfade on Shuffle+skip.. |
| 18:09:19 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Congrarts about the Gigabeat sync to CVS :) |
| 18:09:22 | PaulPosition | Crossfeed plus a slightly tighter stereo width is great.. :D |
| 18:09:30 | markun | Genre9mp3: thanks :) |
| 18:09:46 | markun | It's a bit late for a "Gentlemen.." mail now |
| 18:10:13 | Genre9mp3 | I suppose... but at least we have to add something in the frontpage in the news section |
| 18:11:03 | puetzk | Mouser_X, crossfeed blends an attenuated, slightly delayed version of each stereo channel into the other. It's meant to reduce the exaggerated stereo one gets playing loudspeaker recordings (nearly all recordings) via headphones |
| 18:11:09 | markun | yes, but mister frontpage isn't here.. |
| 18:11:15 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 18:11:17 | puetzk | it's probably the main reason I rockboxed this player :-) |
| 18:11:33 | puetzk | well, that and everything else rockbox does that's awesome :-) |
| 18:12:05 | Mouser_X | That sounds pretty neat, actually. |
| 18:12:16 | Mouser_X | I'd probably use that. |
| 18:12:22 | tehsmo | hmm ../me tries it |
| 18:12:37 | puetzk | it's subtle, but at least for me it makes headphones a lot less fatiguing |
| 18:12:59 | puetzk | when you're listening to loudspeakers it happens naturally, because your left ear does hear some of the right channel (and vice versa) |
| 18:13:21 | PaulPosition | I sometimes disable crossfeed, when I want my trippy music to be that little bit more 'out of this world'.. Else it's on all the time. |
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| 18:19:53 | markun | PaulPosition: sometimes I try without crossfeed but I really don't like it anymore |
| 18:20:35 | puetzk | I pretty much only turn it off if using line out to drive loudspeakers. In which case it isn't appropriate, because it's a headphone thing |
| 18:20:46 | bluebrother | who did the shutdown on low battery thing? pondlife? |
| 18:21:41 | tehsmo | hmm. .nice effect |
| 18:21:55 | tehsmo | I like that rockbox lets you turn it off and on while music is playing; makes it really easy to tell the difference |
| 18:24:21 | BHSPitMonkey | hey Mouser_X |
| 18:27:31 | Soap | Mouser_X: crossfeed is the bee's knees. |
| 18:27:48 | puetzk | it truly is one of rockboxes killer features |
| 18:28:19 | puetzk | high-end headphone amps all do it, and I've never understood why it isn't universal on DAPs |
| 18:28:24 | Mouser_X | I'll take your word on it. When I have a portable player that runs Rockbox, I'll try it out, that's for sure. |
| 18:28:35 | puetzk | it's not exactly a hard DSP effect :-) |
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| 18:28:54 | tehsmo | hmm..perhaps crossfeed should be advertised more heavily |
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| 18:29:12 | tehsmo | like, make an mp3 file of something crossfed, then not crossfed, etc. switch back and forth |
| 18:29:36 | topbloke | what is crossfeed? |
| 18:29:36 | tehsmo | then people could try it out easily |
| 18:29:54 | puetzk | it would be an easy "ad" since you could indeed make a file that had it pre-done, and cutting in and out |
| 18:30:01 | tehsmo | topbloke: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-890006.7 |
| 18:30:12 | tehsmo | yeah. and then link to it from the feature comparison |
| 18:30:14 | puetzk | and people could hear it with whatever player they already have |
| 18:31:17 | puetzk | topbloke, it's an effect reproducing the way your left ear hears the right channel(and vice versa) to compensate for the exagerated stereo that headphones otherwise produce |
| 18:31:35 | topbloke | i see |
| 18:31:41 | puetzk | since with loudspeakers they blend in the room (and through the bones of your head) and with headphones they don't |
| 18:32:10 | puetzk | and almost all recordings are mastered for loundspeakers; binaural recordings are very rare |
| 18:32:12 | PaulPosition | But it's subtle, I myself have a hard time hearing it on some discs.. It's only I feel it's much less tiring, like music *stays* good for along listen... |
| 18:32:31 | topbloke | i thought it was like one song fades out and the other fades in and they both play at the same time for a bit |
| 18:32:35 | topbloke | does rockbox have that? |
| 18:32:46 | Mouser_X | That's crossfade, and yes. |
| 18:32:46 | puetzk | topbloke, that's crossfade (unfortunately similar names) |
| 18:32:48 | PaulPosition | topbloke - You're thinking crossfAde |
| 18:32:49 | topbloke | oh thats crossFADE |
| 18:32:54 | topbloke | oops |
| 18:33:24 | tehsmo | PaulPosition: it is subtle. fairly noticeable if you switch back and forth, though, when listening to this live flogging molly recording |
| 18:33:48 | * | tehsmo hasn't tried it on other stuff yet |
| 18:33:55 | PaulPosition | Eheh.. True enough, it depends a lot on what particular piece of music you're listening to :o |
| 18:34:00 | topbloke | so rockbox can do what i wanted? where do you enable it? |
| 18:34:00 | puetzk | yes, much more noticable with very bright instruments and heavy stero placement |
| 18:34:31 | puetzk | General Settings>Playback>Crossfade |
| 18:34:32 | PaulPosition | Dark Side of the Moon is much more immersive. |
| 18:34:42 | PaulPosition | (with xfeed) |
| 18:34:58 | puetzk | well, that is sort of the standard album for testing sound setup :-) |
| 18:35:27 | puetzk | it's perfect, so all flaws are your own :-P |
| 18:35:41 | topbloke | that is so sweet |
| 18:36:15 | PaulPosition | hehehe |
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| 18:37:07 | tehsmo | lol |
| 18:37:15 | tehsmo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones - I love the first picture |
| 18:37:30 | Juice^ | hehe |
| 18:37:36 | PaulPosition | ?!? |
| 18:37:40 | topbloke | lol |
| 18:37:43 | puetzk | http://www.ohl.to/audio-tools-and-thoughts/audio-softwares-and-vst-plugins/crossfeed-and-eq-for-headphones/ |
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| 18:38:54 | puetzk | never used this one, but it describes the idea pretty well |
| 18:40:44 | PaulPosition | puetz - Woah, nice link you've got there.. I have very shitty headphones but I might as well try to fine tune whatever I could get out of 'em anyway.. :D |
| 18:41:19 | puetzk | heh |
| 18:42:04 | puetzk | I'm pretty happy with my Grado SR60's, though I need to find something decent&smaller for when I'm actually using it as a portable |
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| 18:44:32 | jaczehack | Salaaami |
| 18:44:46 | maxkelley | Pepperoooni. |
| 18:45:51 | jaczehack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP0bP3jFAY&mode=related&search= |
| 18:46:03 | puetzk | FWIW, rockbox's crossfeed is hardcoded to 13 samples if you're trying to use that to calibrate the other settings |
| 18:46:28 | jaczehack | lotsa cheeezey |
| 18:47:41 | markun | where would we be without /ignore .. |
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| 19:08:35 | * | GodEater wonders if any of the talented people that do WPS screens for Rockbox could be put to work redesigning the Wiki's layout |
| 19:09:21 | GodEater | maybe we could have a design competition like they did over at slashdot |
| 19:09:45 | GodEater | within a similar set of constraints - like, stick to the current logo and colour scheme |
| 19:10:08 | GodEater | but see if the information can be presented better / tidier / more intuitively |
| 19:10:51 | GodEater | I guess that depends on other peoples opinions of the wiki though - I personally don't rate it =/ |
| 19:15:26 | Llorean | Well, the main problem with the wiki's presentation is that it's entirely user created |
| 19:15:35 | Llorean | If you look, many pages lay out their contained information in very different ways. |
| 19:18:04 | thegeek | to be honest |
| 19:18:08 | thegeek | the wiki is not that great |
| 19:18:11 | thegeek | lots of good info |
| 19:18:14 | thegeek | but can be hard to access |
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| 19:19:34 | Llorean | Why not try to improve it then? |
| 19:19:38 | Llorean | A more readable index or something? |
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| 19:21:10 | Davide-NYC | I back after a month long hiatus |
| 19:21:22 | * | Davide-NYC sound of crickets |
| 19:21:39 | Mouser_X | Howdy. |
| 19:22:04 | Davide-NYC | I have a question about the statte fo the H3x0 bootloader |
| 19:22:27 | Mouser_X | Which I don't have a matching answer for, sorry. |
| 19:22:46 | Davide-NYC | It seemes to be very stable yet missing a couple of key features and with all of this iPod development I'm worried it will get "swept under the rug" so to speak. |
| 19:23:14 | Davide-NYC | So here goes the neg: When will the charging circuit be handled by the RB BL on the H3x0? |
| 19:23:34 | Davide-NYC | Who is the primary developer (to email and offer testing) responsible for it? |
| 19:23:35 | Genre9mp3 | Davide-NYC: When LinusN finds some time most probably |
| 19:24:02 | Davide-NYC | I have had good luck trading man hours testing for developer priority |
| 19:24:14 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: The people working on all the iPod stuff aren't the people who'd do that job anyway, so it's kinda impossible for it to be swept under the rug because of iPod development. They're non-overlapping. |
| 19:24:30 | gopp | hey some one got linux |
| 19:24:31 | gopp | the operating system up and running on Microsoft's Zune, especially given the fact that the player's Freescale iMX31L processor can already handle the OS. Well, according to one fearless warranty-voiding individual, that prospect is now at least one step closer to reality. In a post on ZuneBoards, "Mys Videl" claims that he's managed to get Linux on Zune "partway working," currently only able to be booted while synced and with limited capabili |
| 19:24:33 | Davide-NYC | Ah, mutually exclusive |
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| 19:24:47 | gopp | so they got linux on a zune |
| 19:24:51 | gopp | how about rockbox |
| 19:25:05 | Davide-NYC | flash forward 12 months |
| 19:25:10 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: And bootloader testing really isn't something someone can volunteer to do. A failed bootloader is a dead player unless you have special hardware for recovering it on the Hxxx series, which is why very very few people work on it, and the releases are few and carefully developed |
| 19:25:19 | Genre9mp3 | I don't think that it is wise to have testers for the bootloader... one skilled developer with a BDM wiggler (aka. LinusN) is more than enough ;) |
| 19:25:50 | Davide-NYC | OK. Where do I send flower (or beer) and an urging letter to? |
| 19:25:53 | Llorean | gopp: Rockobx on Zune depends primarily on people who own Zunes doing it. If you have a Zune, feel free to start working. |
| 19:26:20 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Just have patience. A new version is planned, but it's entirely dependent upon when time is available for it to be worked on. An urging letter doesn't make real life go away. |
| 19:26:31 | Genre9mp3 | Davide-NYC: guess.... LinusN :P |
| 19:27:02 | Davide-NYC | Genre9mp3: It was a rhetorical statement |
| 19:27:10 | gopp | Llorean will it be easy to boot |
| 19:27:28 | Llorean | gopp: How can I answer that? It doesn't exist yet. |
| 19:27:36 | Davide-NYC | I will be aptient. Actually I am sort of just littering the channel "for the record" ;_0 |
| 19:27:43 | Davide-NYC | *patient |
| 19:27:48 | Genre9mp3 | gopp: Where did you learn that they have linux on Zune? |
| 19:28:35 | Mouser_X | Sounds like the Zune forums. |
| 19:28:48 | Davide-NYC | I am reading on the recent CVS activity that the Toshiba has audio. Is this correct? |
| 19:28:52 | Mouser_X | "In a post on ZuneBoards" |
| 19:29:02 | Genre9mp3 | Well, it sounds to me like a hoax to tell you the truth |
| 19:29:06 | gopp | Genre9mp3 http://www.zuneboards.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,28/topic,1438.0 |
| 19:29:31 | gopp | but thier no pictures |
| 19:29:48 | gopp | one question does zune wifi support internet radio |
| 19:30:07 | gopp | it lame to have wifi which uses up battery if not internet radio |
| 19:30:23 | Genre9mp3 | "I've been working on it for quite awhile and has a lot of bugs to work out and a lot of features to work out"... I can be wrong but it _sounds_ like a hoax indeed! |
| 19:31:03 | gopp | could be |
| 19:31:03 | GodEater | Llorean, I think the main gripe I have about the wiki isn't really the deep content - I'm more than happy to accept that people have their own writing styles - but I'm not a fan of the page you get to from the "Wiki" link in the left hand navigation bar - nor the Index |
| 19:31:07 | gopp | unless I se some picture |
| 19:31:15 | Genre9mp3 | gopp: It can support everything a wi-fi can support... if you ask in the retailOS, the the answer is... 3days/3times track sharing |
| 19:31:15 | GodEater | and I'm not sure what there is that *can* be done about it |
| 19:31:28 | GodEater | TWiki seems to lend itself to very linear pages that read like lists |
| 19:31:49 | gopp | Genre9mp3 I know it can support whawt ever wifi, I mean in retail form |
| 19:31:50 | GodEater | and I think it would look nicer if the information was laid out _across_ the pages, as well as down them |
| 19:32:17 | Genre9mp3 | gopp: 3days/3times track sharing |
| 19:32:23 | GodEater | however - I'm honest enough to admit - I'm not web designer / UI specialist - so while I can point at it and go - I don't like it much - I'm not sure I could do much better |
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| 19:33:46 | gopp | http://www.zune-online.com/news/zune/take-the-first-step-linux-on-zune.html |
| 19:34:05 | Genre9mp3 | gopp: If this is true (about linux on zune) then the guy must have cracked the encryption of the firmware, the hash and verification of the firmware mechanisms and all other security features that the i.MX31 has... I cannot see anywhere any details |
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| 19:34:12 | GodEater | however - I have these observations to make :) |
| 19:34:25 | GodEater | the very front page on www.rockbox.org is very developer centric |
| 19:34:27 | Genre9mp3 | gopp: I have already that article |
| 19:34:34 | Genre9mp3 | +read |
| 19:34:51 | GodEater | a lot of our users (bless them) are lazy morons who can't be bothered to dig deeply into the site to find their installation instructions |
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| 19:35:47 | GodEater | so *I'd* start by creating a front page with big icons leading to the install info for each target on it - perhaps initially just by vendor, then by model to make it not too cluttered |
| 19:36:19 | GodEater | so have a big "iPod" image that leads to a wiki page with links to the install guide, the manual, and the files for the target |
| 19:36:32 | GodEater | what do you think ? |
| 19:36:40 | spug | well, there's no stable release for ipod yet |
| 19:36:42 | Llorean | GodEater: Considering that the project only really moves forward by having more active developers, wouldn't it be better to just leave it developer centric, as opposed to adding clutter for developers so that it's easier for 'users'? |
| 19:37:09 | GodEater | Llorean, depends how quickly you're going to go mad with users showing up here asking for install guides, or doing the same in the forums ? |
| 19:37:31 | Llorean | I mean, I know it sounds callous, and I doubt many people agree with me, but 'users' as it were, the type who don't even post bug reports, aren't really contributive. What's the benefit of making things easier for them at the cost of those who get stuff done? |
| 19:37:44 | GodEater | I think the developers who are interested enough in the project are generally going to be bright enough to follow another link from the page to find out what's going on with the project |
| 19:37:50 | GodEater | or to *gasp* have a bookmark to the right bit of the site ? |
| 19:37:57 | Llorean | I think, maybe making a larger, clearer link called "GETTING STARTED" or something perhaps |
| 19:38:05 | spug | only the archos has a stable release, the other releases should probably mostly have developer-centric info so they can get stable quicker |
| 19:38:11 | Llorean | But big, graphical, gooey stuff with pictures of various targets on the front page is way too much. |
| 19:38:38 | maquis | i'm going to side with Llorean... when a project is still at this page, you want to attract mainly devs and people who are at least able to find some of the information on their own |
| 19:38:44 | Llorean | As it is, spug has a point, there's no official release for anything but the Archos targets. |
| 19:38:59 | GodEater | Llorean, fair enough - you've way more history with the project than me - but I think it would increase the signal to noise ratio in the forums AND this channel |
| 19:39:14 | * | maquis says this as a person who keeps trying to find time to start looking into some bug-catching |
| 19:39:24 | GodEater | maquis, the way I see it we don't do that - we atract a lot of clueless newbies |
| 19:39:29 | GodEater | and we waste a lot of time on them |
| 19:39:39 | Llorean | GodEater: The problem is that when you make the site more user-centric, you give people the expectation that they're using finished (or user-ready) software, when we haven't released on anything but Archos. At the point that even the iRiver ports are released, there ought to be a graphical installer for them anyway. |
| 19:39:59 | maquis | GodEater: what's attracting the clueless newbs? |
| 19:40:09 | GodEater | google ? |
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| 19:40:18 | GodEater | I've no idea where they come from to be honest |
| 19:40:27 | Llorean | While time is wasted on them now, if we make it seem like the software is ready for mainstream, I think more time will be wasted because people will have an expectation of a polished experience for install and use, and be around more asking why there isn't one. |
| 19:40:39 | Llorean | My fear is that a more userly site might actually result in *less* documentation reading. |
| 19:41:06 | maquis | GodEater: maybe we need to have a bigger thing on the front page that says "if you are looking for something that is click-and-go, don't come here" |
| 19:41:11 | GodEater | I guess that's a possibilty |
| 19:41:11 | maquis | (a bit better-worded |
| 19:41:14 | maquis | ) |
| 19:41:14 | tehsmo | that could hurt rockbox's reputation as well, if people's expectations aren't lived up to |
| 19:41:34 | tehsmo | (responding to llorean there) |
| 19:41:48 | GodEater | I'm not sure having anything like that would help - we get enough people who click through the forums agreements and then completely ignore it |
| 19:41:54 | maquis | if you want it to be point-and-click, drag-and-drop, etc., come back later because we're not to that point yet |
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| 19:42:25 | maquis | GodEater: sure... but then we can point all those people who come here back to that statement... |
| 19:42:58 | * | GodEater lacks patience and gets fed up with that approach :) |
| 19:43:20 | maquis | (i've asked my share of stupid questions, i'm sure... but i do check the documentation first, and if it's something i missed in the documentation, i end up feeling really stupid and leave with my tail between my legs... |
| 19:46:09 | spug | if i find a small error in the manual, should i open an FS bug report? |
| 19:46:17 | Llorean | GodEater: I just suspect that if the page moves from looking like a Development Project to a Software Product, people will change their expectations. |
| 19:46:30 | Llorean | spug: Yes, unless one of the manual writers responds to you here. |
| 19:46:40 | spug | okay, thanks |
| 19:47:15 | PaulPosition | (spug: That may have been an invitation to share the error...) |
| 19:47:16 | Llorean | Nah |
| 19:47:28 | PaulPosition | oh. |
| 19:47:37 | Llorean | While I could probably update the manual, the most I'd be able to do would be to post a patch to the tracker for someone else to commit, anyway. |
| 19:47:43 | Llorean | I don't actually have commit access. |
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| 19:48:02 | PaulPosition | ah, I see. I'm surprised you don't actually. :) |
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| 19:48:32 | spug | Llorean: who are you, anyway? :) i think of you as a person with a lot of influence, but i have no idea what you really are. forum admin? |
| 19:48:58 | Llorean | spug: #1 fan. :-P |
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| 19:49:44 | spug | awww :D |
| 19:49:52 | Llorean | I just kinda started answering questions in the forums, and trying to get things a little more organized, and eventually ended up a Mod, and then suddenly Admin because it was necessary (I had a few good ideas, and they said "Why don't you go ahead 'n do 'em) |
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| 19:50:14 | Llorean | I am a programmer, but only have maybe ~10 lines of code in Rockbox, all incredibly minor things (keymap tweaks to make a plugin work on a new target, stuff like that) |
| 19:50:28 | PaulPosition | heh.. Cool. |
| 19:50:28 | PaulPosition | bbl |
| 19:50:28 | spug | yeah |
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| 19:50:37 | spug | that's awesome |
| 19:50:56 | Llorean | I also do a lot of random bug-testing for different people, depending on who's around and what needs to be tested because I've sorta collected several Rockboxable players in each of the major categories. |
| 19:52:28 | spug | i see |
| 19:52:47 | Llorean | And I wrote the original IpodFAQ, or half of it. |
| 19:52:56 | Llorean | I just kinda do what I do. A drifter. |
| 19:53:49 | spug | that's good enough! |
| 19:53:56 | spug | i'd love to be more helpful myself, but i don't know C. i've translated a little, though, and i suppose i could do some documentation stuff (beyond finding a broken link in the manual) |
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| 19:56:22 | spug | i should probably ask someone to give me write access at the wiki, too, so i can fix a couple of small errors i've spotted |
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| 19:57:01 | Llorean | spug: Wiki policing is always welcome |
| 19:57:16 | Seed | which HD models (>40 GB) can an iRiver H3x0 accept? |
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| 20:00:01 | spug | Llorean: ok, great |
| 20:00:29 | spug | i registered as TobiasLanghoff now, so i guess i need to get someone to grant me write access |
| 20:00:50 | Llorean | Gimme a moment |
| 20:01:23 | spug | yeah, i haven't activated the account yet |
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| 20:02:57 | Llorean | spug: Well, you should be able to edit once you activate, as I've added you to the users group (assuming I did it properly, as usually someone else beats me to it) |
| 20:03:28 | spug | heh, okay, thanks |
| 20:04:51 | spug | there |
| 20:05:07 | Genre9mp3 | "The loader to boot a new OS on to your Zune however will not go open source"... quote from the (claimed-to-be) developer who made linux run on Zune |
| 20:06:06 | Genre9mp3 | in other "very specific" statements he says: "The way to boot it to the zune right now is very complicated, takes some time, and is risky if you don't know how to do it. I won't be releasing this until there is no risk to Zune users when they use Zune Linux. We are looking for graphics people who are willing to make logos and stuff for Zune Linux" |
| 20:06:19 | spug | sounds hoaxy. and if it's true, the fact that he got it to run probably won't help rockbox in any way unless he releases the source. |
| 20:06:48 | spug | so is it just him, or a team? sometimes he says "I", other times "we" |
| 20:06:48 | Genre9mp3 | sounds like a hoax to me, too |
| 20:06:53 | Llorean | There's a decent chance it's similar to Gigabeat Rockbox anyway |
| 20:07:13 | Llorean | With probably some exploit in the Zune's OS, like a buffer overflow, allowing the first code to be run. |
| 20:08:17 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Zune is similar to Gigabeat S |
| 20:09:37 | Genre9mp3 | There are some security features of Zune's CPU (and Gigabeat S) that are the main obstacles to run custom code |
| 20:09:57 | Genre9mp3 | He doesn't mention anything specific about these things so I bet it's a hoax |
| 20:10:03 | Llorean | I'll be curious to hear what claims they make. |
| 20:10:13 | Llorean | On an unrelated note, I'm curious how secure this XNA thing is. |
| 20:10:26 | Llorean | I mean, Microsoft basically sold free reign to run your own code on the XBox 360 for $100/year |
| 20:13:13 | thegeek | it's all .net based |
| 20:13:15 | thegeek | no native code |
| 20:13:19 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 20:13:33 | Llorean | But that doesn't mean too much. |
| 20:13:46 | Soap | I don't see why the wiki debate (as voiced by Llorean and Godeater) has to be an either/or issue. There is no reason GodEater could not create a "NOOBS HERE!" page which would serve as a maintained index for all things noob. |
| 20:14:07 | spug | Llorean: the wiki says you're still editing my user page, so i can't edit it myself |
| 20:14:14 | spug | Soap: wasn't he talking about the main page? |
| 20:14:17 | thegeek | Llorean: actually it does, should be a lot more secure then;P |
| 20:14:27 | Llorean | Soap: Note my suggestion for the front page just having an evident "Getting Started" link, as opposed to letting it undergo major changes. |
| 20:15:05 | Llorean | thegeek: Yes, but when you're free to do whatever you want anyway, you don't *really* need to crack the host system. |
| 20:15:17 | Llorean | spug: Lemme just go fix that. Sorry, forgot to hit cancel |
| 20:15:23 | spug | no prob, thanks |
| 20:15:41 | thegeek | Llorean: if you can't run native code you are hardly free |
| 20:15:44 | thegeek | ;P |
| 20:15:46 | thegeek | but oh well |
| 20:15:47 | Llorean | spug: Try again. |
| 20:16:12 | Llorean | thegeek: Well, I don't mean true freedom, but to the extent that you can create the kinds of applications most people hacked the XBox classic to run, such as media centers and emulators. |
| 20:16:43 | spug | Llorean: works now, thanks |
| 20:17:23 | tehsmo | speaking of the wiki, can i get write access? I was going to make a page for bookmark use cases, to try to figure out what functionality is needed |
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| 20:26:26 | bluebrother | any server admin around? I just got this message when trying to commit a fix to the manual: |
| 20:26:29 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/17 |
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| 20:51:08 | bluebrother | tehsmo, still need wiki write access? |
| 20:55:10 | spug | do you need a copy of the cvs tree to be able to use the langstatus script at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles ? |
| 20:56:36 | tehsmo | bluebrother: yeah. I'm NickSmolinske on the wiki |
| 20:57:04 | bluebrother | spug, yes (at least parts of the source tree) |
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| 20:58:11 | spug | hmm, okay |
| 20:58:31 | bluebrother | tehsmo, done |
| 20:58:37 | tehsmo | awesome, thanks |
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| 21:00:12 | bluebrother | spug, I think it's sufficient to have an extracted source tarball |
| 21:00:24 | spug | oh, ok |
| 21:00:34 | bluebrother | in other words, you need the tree but not the "link" to the cvs repository |
| 21:01:20 | spug | all right |
| 21:01:23 | bluebrother | I just looked in the script itself, so if I got something wrong expect this information to be wrong also ;-) |
| 21:01:27 | spug | hehe, okay |
| 21:01:28 | spug | i'll try that |
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| 21:06:14 | tehsmo | ok, here's the page for bookmark use cases. I'm trying to gather how people want to use bookmarks, so feel free to add to it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BookmarkUseCases |
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| 21:06:45 | bluebrother | maybe you want attract some people in the forums also ... it's pretty quiet here tonight |
| 21:07:05 | tehsmo | hmm ..might be a good idea |
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| 21:08:54 | tehsmo | any idea which subforum it belongs in? I haven't used the forums much yet |
| 21:10:01 | bluebrother | hmm. Not exactly sure. Audio Playback or User Interface. |
| 21:10:29 | bluebrother | to me it's a bit of Playlist but also a bit of UI ... |
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| 21:11:06 | scorche | playback |
| 21:12:28 | tehsmo | playback it is. :) |
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| 21:20:19 | spug | someone here who knows a bit about TWiki? |
| 21:20:44 | spug | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall#iriver_jukeboxes links to the second section named "iriver jukeboxes", not the first - should one of the sections be renamed so the anchor link works? |
| 21:21:30 | spug | i guess this is HTML related, i don't know if two anchors really can have the same name/id |
| 21:28:34 | bluebrother | I guess this is related to twiki using the same anchor name as the title of that sections are identical |
| 21:28:55 | bluebrother | one could try simply adding a whitespace at the end of one of those ;-) |
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| 21:55:06 | ydo | anyone know how to use the utf8-functions? |
| 21:56:04 | gopp | k if I wanted to port rockbox to zune what do I need to know |
| 21:56:27 | thegeek | you need information about all the hardware in the zune |
| 21:56:34 | gopp | is it easy |
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| 21:57:17 | bagawk | gopp: to be honest, if you do not know where to begin, do not bother |
| 21:57:20 | thegeek | information that is very hard to get unless you sign an nda |
| 21:57:27 | thegeek | indeed |
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| 21:57:47 | thegeek | if you dont know what you need you have absolutely no chance at all |
| 21:57:50 | gopp | nda ???? |
| 21:57:54 | scorche | gopp: see the wiki page NewPort |
| 21:58:17 | thegeek | it would take you several months of concentrated full-time effort just to learn the basics you would need to _understand_ what is needed |
| 21:58:27 | thegeek | gopp: nondisclosure agreement |
| 21:58:44 | thegeek | basically you sign away the right to talk about it ( so you cant use it for rockbox ) |
| 21:58:44 | gopp | oh darn |
| 21:59:23 | thegeek | people that dont understand what is needed have no idea just how hard/advanced this stuff this |
| 21:59:32 | thegeek | the rockbox devs are very very very good |
| 21:59:43 | gopp | oh I never put much tought |
| 21:59:43 | thegeek | s/this/is |
| 21:59:48 | gopp | on how smart the rocbox devs are |
| 21:59:58 | thegeek | ;P |
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| 22:00:21 | gopp | is thier any other wifi mp3 player |
| 22:00:26 | gopp | that rocbox suppport |
| 22:00:28 | gopp | iriver |
| 22:00:54 | thegeek | no |
| 22:01:01 | thegeek | afaik zune is the only player with wifi |
| 22:01:07 | thegeek | and (imho) with good reason |
| 22:01:11 | thegeek | wifi is pretty stupid |
| 22:01:23 | gopp | you mean in terms of battery power |
| 22:01:31 | thegeek | that is a significan factor yes |
| 22:01:32 | thegeek | but |
| 22:01:40 | thegeek | I dont want to spend money on wifi |
| 22:02:00 | thegeek | I want money spent on a better amp circuit, better battery |
| 22:02:15 | thegeek | basically improve what an mp3-player does, not add useless features |
| 22:02:28 | thegeek | exactly why would anyone need wifi ? |
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| 22:04:50 | gopp | well for me get internet radio |
| 22:05:02 | gopp | I know the sirius mp3 player has internet |
| 22:06:52 | * | Soap uses streamripper to rip internet radio streams and then syncs them to his player. |
| 22:07:07 | thegeek | ah yeah |
| 22:07:09 | thegeek | that's true gopp |
| 22:07:12 | thegeek | actually |
| 22:07:15 | Soap | unless you need "live" internet radio, that solution works perfectly. |
| 22:07:28 | thegeek | a dedicated player for use in the home |
| 22:07:30 | thegeek | with wifi |
| 22:07:32 | thegeek | would work |
| 22:07:40 | thegeek | I want it |
| 22:07:55 | thegeek | ;P |
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| 22:10:16 | topbloke | u need wifi to browse the web |
| 22:10:58 | topbloke | duh |
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| 22:12:39 | webguest20 | A few days ago I promised to look into reversi. I did it. IMHO it doesn't worth effort to port it to RB. Its artificial intelligence is not very strong so it probably won't make fun playing it. But as an exercise in programming of RB plugins it could be done. I don't know if I'll do it so if anyone is interested... |
| 22:12:59 | gopp | well I had my friends over expensive lifedrive palm pilte |
| 22:13:07 | gopp | he wanted me update it os |
| 22:13:19 | gopp | and I took in my car and travled around had live internet radio |
| 22:13:28 | gopp | but while the car was moving it was bad |
| 22:13:47 | gopp | sirius has internet radio |
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| 22:15:45 | gopp | in thier player but it only sirius |
| 22:15:56 | gopp | content, so I see no reaso your right |
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| 22:51:36 | Shadowpillar_ | who here is involved in the SANSA port? |
| 22:52:06 | DanManners2 | *Raises hand* I'm gonna be involved in a bit. My sister just got one, so I'll be willing to help. |
| 22:52:51 | Shadowpillar_ | I have a 250r and I'm wondering where the firmware is, and before you bite at me, I'm not planning on putting rockbox on my sansa until I know it works at least 99% |
| 22:52:57 | dan_a | *raises hand* I've written the LCD and disk drivers |
| 22:53:05 | DanManners2 | Same |
| 22:53:05 | DanManners2 | oh |
| 22:53:05 | DanManners2 | same as shadow |
| 22:53:07 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: There is no version for R, |
| 22:53:07 | DanManners2 | not dan_a lol |
| 22:53:17 | Bagder | Shadowpillar_: the R model is not really worked out yet |
| 22:53:31 | Shadowpillar_ | and IIRC, I heard that the audiochip that's used on the sansa is a sigmatel clone |
| 22:53:59 | Shadowpillar_ | could it be PP5000.dat ? |
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| 22:54:04 | Bagder | Shadowpillar_: not really |
| 22:54:26 | Bagder | the "audiochip" is the PP5024 |
| 22:54:29 | dan_a | Shadowpillar_: IIRC, that's used for the database of ID3 tags |
| 22:54:35 | Shadowpillar_ | dan_a: ah |
| 22:54:57 | Shadowpillar_ | wonder why the rhapsody is so different from the rest |
| 22:55:03 | Shadowpillar_ | prolly purposely locked |
| 22:55:36 | Bagder | well, we can *probably* still make Rockbox for the R models |
| 22:55:48 | Bagder | just not run the original firmware in a while |
| 22:56:09 | Shadowpillar_ | be cool to play ogg files on the sansa |
| 22:56:28 | Shadowpillar_ | and is there a way to make it use SDHC MicroSD? |
| 22:56:46 | Shadowpillar_ | because isnt SDHC simply a firmware upgrade to read fat32 instead of fat16? |
| 22:57:21 | Bagder | microsd does not imply the file system at all afaik |
| 22:57:25 | dan_a | Shadowpillar_: We can't use the MicroSD slot yet. I've got a MicroSD card in the post, though, to do some testing. |
| 22:57:59 | Shadowpillar_ | Bagder: didnt say that |
| 22:58:09 | Bagder | what did you say? |
| 22:58:40 | Shadowpillar_ | I was implying using the newer SDHC microsd cards instead of plain old microsd so stoarge can be upped more than 4gb |
| 22:58:47 | Shadowpillar_ | storage* |
| 22:59:21 | Shadowpillar_ | and was wondering if a firmware tweak would allow those to be read, unless the sansa already supports them |
| 22:59:22 | DanManners2 | Actually coding ROCKbox to mount the MicroSD cards wouldn't be THAT hard, would it? i mean, if I can have someone point me in the right direction once we're at a point where we would be able to actually incorperate it, I'd be willing to take a shot at coding a rockbox on-the-go mount tool or something like that |
| 22:59:40 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: SDHC requires that the host device is capable, and uses sector addressing as opposed to by addressing. Whether the MicroSD slot will be able to read SDHC media pretty much depends on how the slot itself works in the device, I'd imagine. |
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| 23:00:01 | Shadowpillar_ | ah k |
| 23:00:11 | Llorean | It kinda depends on how much is under the control of the Sansa's firmware, and how much is a part of the slot's hardware. |
| 23:00:23 | Shadowpillar_ | I thought the only major difference was one used fat32 and one used fat16 |
| 23:00:41 | Bagder | "microsd does not imply the file system at all afaik" |
| 23:00:42 | dan_a | DanManners2: Most of the work has been done already (by amiconn, I believe) to support the MMC slot in the Ondio |
| 23:00:54 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: Fat16 and Fat32 are filesystems |
| 23:00:54 | Shadowpillar_ | Bagder: again, I wasnt implying that |
| 23:01:03 | Shadowpillar_ | yeah I know thid |
| 23:01:06 | DanManners2 | Ohhhh, right...Haaa, forgot about the Ondio completely |
| 23:01:07 | Shadowpillar_ | thid* |
| 23:01:08 | Shadowpillar_ | ... |
| 23:01:09 | Shadowpillar_ | this |
| 23:01:15 | Shadowpillar_ | getting used to a new kb |
| 23:01:20 | Bagder | you said "I thought the only major difference was one used fat32 and one used fat16" |
| 23:01:37 | Bagder | and I say that's not so |
| 23:01:37 | DanManners2 | and I'm guessing that rockbox is never going to support |
| 23:01:37 | DanManners2 | say |
| 23:01:39 | Shadowpillar_ | the difference between the SD and SDHC standards |
| 23:01:40 | DanManners2 | an ext2 formatted sd card for example, correct? |
| 23:01:45 | Shadowpillar_ | not SD and microsd |
| 23:01:47 | DanManners2 | sorry to inturrupt |
| 23:02:02 | Llorean | DanManners2: Not unless someone creates an ext2 driver for Rockbox. |
| 23:02:02 | linuxstb | Bagder: Could you move this file onto download.rockbox.org (there may be more coming, but probably not today...) - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg |
| 23:02:06 | Bagder | DanManners2: not likely no, but you can write your own version that does :-) |
| 23:02:27 | Shadowpillar_ | I know they're merely different form factors for the cards |
| 23:02:27 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: And what Bagder was saying is that SD cards, or MicroSD, or any of the formats, don't actually require a specific filesystem as far as he's aware. |
| 23:02:28 | DanManners2 | Bagder: I might take a swing at that |
| 23:02:44 | DanManners2 | I'll look it up |
| 23:02:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is that playable on some new plugin iteration floating around? |
| 23:02:57 | linuxstb | It will be soon... |
| 23:03:02 | Llorean | Nifty |
| 23:03:12 | Bagder | it is even so that FAT is rather bad choice for flash devices |
| 23:03:22 | Shadowpillar_ | and if reading SD or SDHC cards is a firmware deal, hey, rockbox might breathe new life into "old" sansas |
| 23:03:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: I did the Nano file first, as i know you're always keen to test... |
| 23:03:49 | Bagder | Shadowpillar_: and the sansas have microsd and there are no bigger than 2gb ones available atm ;-) |
| 23:03:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: Hehehe. I'm keen to test anything. I like to feel that I'm useful. Heh. |
| 23:05:58 | DanManners2 | Oh, Llorean, I've been meaning to ask you for you approval on the thread I made, and again, sorry to inturrupt the conversation |
| 23:06:15 | Bagder | sdhc seems to be for SD, and not microsd |
| 23:06:17 | Llorean | DanManners2: If I hadn't approved it, it would've been locked two days ago, I think. :-P |
| 23:06:23 | Shadowpillar_ | Bagder: talking about the future |
| 23:06:29 | DanManners2 | Alright :-) thanks |
| 23:06:55 | Bagder | linuxstb: done! |
| 23:07:13 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
| 23:08:13 | linuxstb | Has anyone implemented the lcd_yuv_blit() function for the Sansa yet? |
| 23:08:27 | Shadowpillar_ | I thought all microsd was, was a different form factor for the SD standard |
| 23:10:43 | Bagder | not exactly, as they don't have the same amount of pins |
| 23:10:43 | Bagder | but I'm not an expert on this |
| 23:11:51 | dan_a | linuxstb: Not yet |
| 23:12:27 | linuxstb | dan_a: You may want to look at the gigabeat version. They've implemented a version that rotates the video. |
| 23:12:54 | Bagder | oh, nice |
| 23:13:04 | linuxstb | markun has suggested that mpegplayer always rotates video on portrait screens. |
| 23:13:04 | Llorean | That'll be useful for the Sansa |
| 23:13:11 | * | Llorean agrees with that suggestion. |
| 23:13:13 | dan_a | linuxstb: Will do. Perhaps I can steal some other functions too |
| 23:13:33 | markun | hi Bagder! |
| 23:13:39 | Bagder | hey ho |
| 23:13:49 | Bagder | nice to see all that gigabeat entering cvs |
| 23:13:49 | linuxstb | And not surprisingly, the gigabeat can play 24fps video with sound... |
| 23:13:51 | markun | can you add the gigabeat to the builds? |
| 23:14:02 | Bagder | will do! |
| 23:14:11 | Bagder | did you fix the sim build? |
| 23:14:19 | markun | no, not yet |
| 23:14:55 | markun | Shall I give you a bootloader to put on download.rockbox.org? |
| 23:14:58 | Shadowpillar_ | Bagder: but hey, like I said, if with the sansa, if it's firmware controlled (just like with almost EVERYTHING on it) it could be possible to support microSD cards that exceed 4GB in the future |
| 23:15:04 | Bagder | markun: sure! |
| 23:15:29 | * | dan_a applauds the Gigabeat team |
| 23:15:49 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: If the only differences between standard and high density lie in things that Rockbox can change, then yet it is possible. If not, then it isn't. There's no way to predict until more is known. |
| 23:16:42 | scorche | Bagder: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7784/gigabeatkf2.png |
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| 23:17:05 | Bagder | great |
| 23:17:23 | yohannmisquitta | exit |
| 23:17:26 | tychver | what's the hardware in the gigabeat? |
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| 23:18:00 | linuxstb | A 300MHz ARM. |
| 23:18:12 | tychver | ah right |
| 23:18:27 | linuxstb | ARM9something IIRC. |
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| 23:19:08 | fasmaie | hello |
| 23:19:24 | Shadowpillar_ | reading something that says microSD is compatible with anything that can read SD |
| 23:19:26 | fasmaie | Anyone here who has used Rockbox on the gigabeat? |
| 23:20:14 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: Look, it's irrelevant. Nothing further can be said until a lot more is known, and until MicroSDHC even exists. |
| 23:20:39 | Shadowpillar_ | I just think it'd be something interesting to keep in mind for the future |
| 23:20:57 | Bagder | markun: its now added and is supposed to become available for download after builds too |
| 23:21:07 | Llorean | Shadowpillar_: And it definitely is, but there's not much to discuss about it. |
| 23:21:21 | Llorean | Now we need a Gigabeat manual |
| 23:21:28 | Bagder | its there already |
| 23:22:20 | Bagder | btw, we're planning a server upgrade, due to happen within a few weeks or so |
| 23:22:31 | Bagder | the server is running on one CPU only atm |
| 23:22:35 | Llorean | I noticed. |
| 23:22:52 | Llorean | Well, I saw mention of it, and noticed performance issues wandering the site |
| 23:23:04 | fasmaie | I guess the gigabeat port must be close to being available, then |
| 23:23:07 | Bagder | yes, it has an average load at over 8 or so |
| 23:23:31 | linuxstb | Latest mpegplayer patch if anyone is interested is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-audio-pp-v2.diff |
| 23:23:44 | Bagder | fasmaie: it'll be provided in daily and cvs builds very soon |
| 23:24:02 | linuxstb | This is just for the PortalPlayer targets (and Gigabeat), and adds support for .mpg files with sound. |
| 23:24:12 | fasmaie | Bagder: Yay, thanks for the info |
| 23:24:32 | Bagder | now I just need a commit to see that the gigabeat build runs fine |
| 23:24:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: One more video... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x128-354kbps.mpg |
| 23:24:59 | fasmaie | linuxstb: Was the issue with older iPods and the new bootloader ever resolved? |
| 23:25:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should I strip me kernel_on_cop_6.diff off first? |
| 23:25:28 | linuxstb | fasmaie: No. I'm waiting for someone to answer my requests in the forums to provide more info. |
| 23:25:47 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes - my patch includes the kernel_on_cop_6 patch. |
| 23:25:57 | linuxstb | So it should be applied against clean CVS. |
| 23:26:15 | fasmaie | linuxstb: Ok, I'll do a clean install of OF and tell you the output |
| 23:26:29 | fasmaie | linuxstb: on the forum, of course |
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| 23:26:50 | linuxstb | mpegplayer's menu and controls don't work, so when it shows the menu at the start, set Limit FPS to ON and Skip Frames to ON. (and show FPS if you want) |
| 23:26:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, CVS upping to verify all my files are clean, then applying, compiling, and I'll let you know how it goes |
| 23:27:36 | linuxstb | It also never exits, so you'll need to reset with MENU+SELECT. Finally, it also never rebuffers, it just fills the buffer once, plays it, and then probably crashes. |
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| 23:27:58 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 23:28:00 | Llorean | I'll bear all that in mind |
| 23:28:03 | Bagder | linuxstb: put in position |
| 23:28:06 | linuxstb | fasmaie: Thanks. It's puzzling me, so I hope that info gives a clue... |
| 23:28:45 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks again. |
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| 23:29:26 | Bagder | I'm on holiday actually, online from my parents', but I'll check in again tomorrow to verify that the gigabeat builds are doing good |
| 23:29:33 | Bagder | night! |
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| 23:32:22 | midkay | quick Q about language files.. if you want to modify the string displayed/voiced (english.lang) would you update all three lines? source, dest and voice? or only two of them, or will this affect the updating of other languages? |
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| 23:36:12 | spug | midkay: source and dest should be identical in english.lang, if that's what you mean? |
| 23:36:34 | spug | and voice too most of the time |
| 23:36:47 | midkay | so changing an existing string's source and dest text will work out fine when someone tries to uplang or genlang or whatever? |
| 23:37:22 | linuxstb | I think one of them needs to stay the same. But I'm not an authority on the language files. |
| 23:37:37 | spug | neither am i |
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| 23:37:50 | midkay | yeah, that's what i'm not sure about.. |
| 23:37:53 | spug | but if you do what you say, genlang will give a notice that the source has changed in english.lang and that they probably would want to translate |
| 23:38:01 | linuxstb | If I was you, I would check the recent cvs changes to that file, and see if someone made a similar change to the one you want to make. |
| 23:38:28 | midkay | that's what i'm looking for right now :) |
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| 23:38:53 | midkay | aha... |
| 23:39:08 | midkay | yes, all lines can be changed, cool.. thanks :) |
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| 23:39:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: Without limitfps the video decodes at about 29 or 30. I'm watching now at the normal framerate to see how sync stays. |
| 23:40:16 | linuxstb | Can you remember if that's the same speed as the old mpegplayer? |
| 23:40:26 | Llorean | About the same |
| 23:40:31 | Llorean | Maybe a bit faster |
| 23:40:35 | Llorean | I think the old one was about 27 at that point |
| 23:40:39 | Llorean | But this was a while ago. |
| 23:41:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: I am curious though, why there are two rows of pixels visible above the top of the video. |
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| 23:42:27 | linuxstb | Llorean: Do you have Show FPS on? Those lines will just be left from there. |
| 23:42:43 | linuxstb | The video itself is 4 pixels shorter than the LCD. |
| 23:42:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, okay |
| 23:43:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought the video was LCD resolution, I wasn't paying attention to the numbers is all |
| 23:43:15 | linuxstb | The video is a multiple of 16x16. |
| 23:43:18 | Llorean | Right |
| 23:43:28 | Llorean | And audio stayed in sync until the freeze at the rebuffer |
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| 23:44:13 | Llorean | So, it seems to work as intended, and fast enough too |
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| 23:45:52 | linuxstb | I guess the most useful testing now would be to encode your own .mpg files and see if the parser can handle them. The audio can be mp2 or mp3, mono or stereo, but must be 44.1KHz. |
| 23:45:59 | Terinjokes | is the wiki down? |
| 23:46:31 | linuxstb | That test file is lame-encoded MP3, averaging around 170kbps. |
| 23:46:40 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Works for me. |
| 23:47:08 | Terinjokes | Llorean, a few seconds later it popped up... figures :D |
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| 23:50:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, I'll poke at it a bit then and see if I come across anything it doesn't like |
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| 23:53:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: What encapsulation do I want? |
| 23:53:32 | PaulPosition | linuxstb: You don't happen to have a 128x128 version of that mpg of your, do you? Or what are the specs for the file if I resize it on my end? |
| 23:53:35 | dionoea | mpeg ps |
| 23:53:47 | * | dionoea just read his IRC logs :) |
| 23:55:02 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 23:57:14 | dionoea | linuxstb: do you get real time audio+video decoding ? (on which devices?) |
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