| 00:00:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream. |
| 00:00:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: Got it. |
| 00:00:58 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: No, I don't. I'll be encoding test files for all LCD sizes (we now have too many...), so I'll try and remember 128x128. I assume your LCD has square pixels? |
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| 00:02:26 | linuxstb | dionoea: The Nano can do about 29fps full-screen with audio. My ipod Photo can just about manage 24fps at 16:9 "full-screen" (i.e. letterboxed 224x128). The gigabeat can handle fullscreen 320x240 with audio... |
| 00:02:37 | linuxstb | Coldfire targets will struggle... |
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| 00:02:58 | linuxstb | (and the patch won't work on Coldfire at the moment). |
| 00:03:08 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Indeed, the H10 has square screen of 128x128 so I assume square pixels :p |
| 00:03:10 | dionoea | nice :) |
| 00:03:36 | linuxstb | This is with video decoding on the COP for the PortalPlayer targets. |
| 00:03:41 | linuxstb | The main CPU is doing the audio. |
| 00:04:28 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - I'm well aware that it is about utterly pointless to look at video on a device such as mine. Yet I'd like to see it work. :p |
| 00:04:38 | dionoea | video decoding includes conversion from YUV to RGB and display ? |
| 00:04:58 | linuxstb | Yes. That's something I'm considering splitting between the two cores. |
| 00:06:15 | linuxstb | PaulPosition: You could try the 176x128 video. I _think_ mpegplayer will just crop it for you. |
| 00:07:12 | PaulPosition | let's see :) |
| 00:08:16 | midkay | linuxstb: what do you think about video+audio on the 5G? |
| 00:08:22 | Llorean | Can I ask for command line help with the VLC transcode? |
| 00:08:25 | linuxstb | hahaha |
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| 00:08:55 | linuxstb | It seems embarrassing to try and compete with the Broadcom chip... |
| 00:08:57 | Llorean | I'm not all too familiar with VLC, but I figured a quick hack of the .bat would be fine, but "−−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,acodec=mp3,vb=256,ab=128,width=%WIDTH%,height=%HE |
| 00:08:57 | Llorean | IGHT%}:es{access=file,mux=ps,dst=%1.mpg}" doesn't seem to work |
| 00:09:21 | linuxstb | I've never used VLC... |
| 00:09:21 | midkay | well, i doubt we'll be able to use it in the near future, right? :) |
| 00:09:27 | Llorean | =/ |
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| 00:09:45 | dionoea | remove the es thing |
| 00:10:04 | dionoea | and put :std{mux=ps,access=file,dst=file.ts} |
| 00:10:07 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Nope.. With larger file, Plugin returned error. No problem, though, I'll fiddle around with playing some music and see if I can trigger a freeze or two .. :p |
| 00:10:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: You may need to resample the audio as well, depending on the input. |
| 00:10:32 | dionoea | errr ... file.mpg |
| 00:11:14 | Llorean | dionoea: Thanks, I'll see if that works |
| 00:11:21 | tychver | do we really need to decode video at such high fps? I think the ipov videos use 15 fps |
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| 00:11:50 | linuxstb | midkay: Currently, mpegplayer can decode 320x240 video at around 21fps on a single PP core. That's without the conversion from YUV to RGB and blitting to the LCD. So if the second core could handle the yuv2rgb and blit _and_ audio, then we could get around that speed. |
| 00:11:58 | Llorean | dionoea: The problem is, video isn't showing along with the audio in media player classic like that |
| 00:12:20 | dionoea | like what ? |
| 00:12:30 | Llorean | dionoea: The file output by that command line |
| 00:12:35 | linuxstb | midkay: So with optimisations, and using every cycle of both cores, it _may_ be possible to get 25fps or more out of it. |
| 00:12:36 | Llorean | I think it's audio only, the filesize is tiny |
| 00:13:04 | midkay | linuxstb: cool :) though second-core access is also probably rather far in the distance too, i guess? |
| 00:13:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: What about viewing the file in VLC itself? |
| 00:13:23 | linuxstb | midkay: No, mpegplayer (the patch I posted) is using the second core... |
| 00:13:25 | dionoea | vlc.exe source.avi −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=700,acodec=mpga,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=file.mpg} |
| 00:13:36 | dionoea | + height and width parameters |
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| 00:13:44 | midkay | linuxstb: ?! wow! that's a breakthrough :) figured it out? |
| 00:13:45 | dionoea | is that what you're using ? |
| 00:13:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Audio only as well |
| 00:14:04 | Llorean | dionoea: acodec=mp3, and samplerate=44100 |
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| 00:14:28 | linuxstb | midkay: It's never been _that_ unknown. dan_a has done the work to implement a kernel on the COP, and there's a patch in the patch tracker from lostlogic which builds on that and runs the codec thread on the COP. |
| 00:14:34 | Llorean | dionoea: Also, a different VB |
| 00:14:36 | Terinjokes | Llorean, I assume your computer is set up so it compiles rockbox correctly (unlike mine...) |
| 00:14:39 | Llorean | Since the screen is much smaller |
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| 00:15:47 | webguest00 | hey. sorry to inturupt the vlc conversation but i'm having a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Well its a problem with the boot loader. I've just installed it and it works fine but i cannot load the original apple OS - it just keep cycling. Any ideas? |
| 00:15:52 | midkay | linuxstb: that's very cool.. i've been out of the loop for too long :) |
| 00:15:53 | dionoea | Llorean: append -vvv −−extraintf=logger to your command line and see what error messages VLC outputs |
| 00:16:11 | dionoea | Llorean: or just try adding fps=25 in transcode |
| 00:16:25 | dionoea | mpeg2 doesn't accept all framerates ... maybe your source frame rate is incompatible |
| 00:16:58 | linuxstb | webguest00: Which ipod do you have? |
| 00:16:58 | Llorean | dionoea: Actually, that's the change I just made myself. :) |
| 00:17:08 | webguest00 | 4th gen 20gb |
| 00:17:14 | dionoea | hehe :) |
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| 00:17:17 | Llorean | dionoea: And that was the problem |
| 00:17:24 | webguest00 | black and white |
| 00:17:48 | Terinjokes | sounds to me like your apple os is corrupted... |
| 00:18:05 | Terinjokes | i remember talk of this before... just don't remember how we resolved it |
| 00:18:11 | linuxstb | webguest00: Yes, there's been a few reports of that problem with the new version of ipodpatcher - but oddly only on the 4G. |
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| 00:18:14 | tychver | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Profiles_and_Levels |
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| 00:18:31 | linuxstb | Terinjokes: I never knew it was resolved... |
| 00:18:36 | webguest00 | i did see it on the forums but didn't see much else |
| 00:18:42 | Terinjokes | my guess would be to restore the apple os, and manually install the bootloader/rockbox |
| 00:18:47 | webguest00 | just checking if there was any more indo |
| 00:19:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: It seems to play a 700kbps video with 128kbps audio at 25fps just fine |
| 00:19:11 | Llorean | At nano resolution |
| 00:19:13 | linuxstb | Nice. |
| 00:19:18 | midkay | linuxstb: i don't see lostlogic's second-core patch. |
| 00:19:27 | webguest00 | manually? i thought thats how we did it anyway? |
| 00:19:41 | Llorean | midkay: It's at the end of the comments on the coprocessor patch |
| 00:20:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Scratch that, it is doing some framedropping, but the audio was fine the whole time |
| 00:20:14 | Terinjokes | did you try installing using this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 00:20:34 | midkay | argh.. wish flyspray didn't suck so much :) so hard to find stuff sometimes.. |
| 00:20:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: The bitrate is quite high for video your size. You should try and see how much you can reduce it. |
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| 00:21:17 | linuxstb | But is it skipping a lot of frames, or just occasionally? |
| 00:21:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, I was just trying 700 because that was in the sample that dionoea used and I wanted to remove any stupidity I might have caused. I'm trying 256 now |
| 00:21:41 | linuxstb | That may be too low... But probably a good place to work up from. |
| 00:21:45 | Llorean | That's what I figure |
| 00:21:59 | Llorean | Lots of frames at the end of the video, but it was a very very very active scene |
| 00:22:05 | linuxstb | What kind of video is it? |
| 00:22:15 | Llorean | Videogame speedrun |
| 00:22:21 | Llorean | It was what I had around |
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| 00:22:57 | webguest00 | Terinjokes: i used the beta installation - i'll try it without and see if it works |
| 00:22:58 | Soap | I'm kind of curious if MPEG1 w/o the B frames of MPEG2 would show significant speed inprovements. |
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| 00:23:24 | linuxstb | Soap: We need someone to do all that kind of testing and come up with good encoder settings for Rockbox use... |
| 00:23:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, 256kbps video still looks pretty good. |
| 00:24:26 | Llorean | For the Nano's screen, I'd say it's actually good enough |
| 00:24:26 | Soap | kind of funny when your audio is almost the same bitrate as your video. |
| 00:24:52 | linuxstb | I was just thinking that... These .mpg files are smaller than my FLACs... |
| 00:25:16 | dionoea | Llorean: i guess that you could improve quality and keep the bitrate low by tweaking some ffmpeg options (like I frame ratio and stuff ...). But i don't have a clue about how that works |
| 00:25:58 | linuxstb | Is it skipping any frames at 256kbps? |
| 00:26:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: Not noticeably |
| 00:26:09 | Llorean | If it was, I couldn't tell |
| 00:26:26 | Llorean | I'll run it again with frameskip off and without the limited framerate, shall I? |
| 00:27:06 | tychver | 320x240 @ 15 FPS is 384kbps :S |
| 00:27:06 | linuxstb | That could be interesting. In the past, ffmpeg-encoded files have been slower to decode than my mpeg2enc-encoded elephants dream clips. |
| 00:27:25 | linuxstb | tychver: How do you work that out? |
| 00:27:35 | linuxstb | Ah, based on the Nano at 256kbps? |
| 00:27:49 | tychver | the mpeg 2 profiles page on wikipedia |
| 00:28:32 | Soap | TMPGEnc is free for MPEG1 encoding, and it allows you to play around with the quantization matrix, which might explain the performance difference between same-bitrate encodes between two different encoders. |
| 00:29:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: 30fps, give or take 1 in variance. |
| 00:29:24 | linuxstb | So about the same as the ED video. |
| 00:29:29 | Soap | I'm not familiar enough with the command-line encoders to know what assumptions they make when encoding. |
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| 00:29:39 | Llorean | Yup |
| 00:29:47 | Llorean | video bitrate of 256, audio bitrate of 128, and fullscreen |
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| 00:32:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: What was the vlc command-line you came up with in the end/ |
| 00:32:32 | linuxstb | ? |
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| 00:33:14 | Llorean | I edited the .bat so that it now reads this: http://pastebin.ca/296117 |
| 00:34:02 | tychver | anyone tried encoding the video with lower framerates? 24 or 15 |
| 00:34:13 | Llorean | tychver: I'm encoding at 24 |
| 00:34:30 | Llorean | Sorry, 25 |
| 00:34:33 | Terinjokes | can anyone make a QEMU image for rockbox compiling |
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| 00:34:37 | tychver | how bad does it look at 15? |
| 00:34:44 | Llorean | I haven't tried |
| 00:34:47 | Llorean | I have no need to try |
| 00:34:54 | Llorean | I can do fullscreen video at 30 already |
| 00:35:00 | Llorean | :-P |
| 00:35:01 | tychver | including audio? |
| 00:35:04 | Llorean | Yes |
| 00:35:08 | tychver | ah |
| 00:35:12 | tychver | hang on |
| 00:35:14 | Llorean | Someone with a 5G can try out 15fps |
| 00:35:18 | tychver | I'm about to fall off my chair |
| 00:35:31 | tychver | that would probably be me then |
| 00:36:11 | midkay | linuxstb: hm, so what have you got for 5G so far on mpegplayer? is it using both cores? decoding audio? |
| 00:36:21 | tychver | it might be worth the motion trade off if you could go to a higher bitrate |
| 00:36:42 | Llorean | tychver: I'd rather have smoothness with artifacts than frameskipping with clarity in most cases. |
| 00:37:47 | linuxstb | midkay: mpegplayer is the same on all portalplayer targets (the patch I posted earlier, not CVS) - video on the COP, audio on the main CPU, playing .mpg files. |
| 00:38:34 | midkay | linuxstb: that's great.. any thoughts on it getting CVS'd soon? gotta run in a few minutes, but it sounds really cool, i'll have to try it when i get back. |
| 00:38:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think there's something wrong with frameskipping |
| 00:39:19 | linuxstb | midkay: It relies on the kernel-on-cop patch being submitted first. It's also needs a lot of cleaning up. |
| 00:39:20 | webguest00 | Terinjokes: thanks for the advice - installing everything the old fasioned way workes like a charm. Guess the beta version isn't good for the 4th gen ipod yet |
| 00:39:35 | tychver | I take it that were talking 30fps at nano res? |
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| 00:39:54 | midkay | linuxstb: ah, guess i'll compile myself later then. :) |
| 00:39:55 | linuxstb | tychver: Yes. Probably on the 5g as well though... |
| 00:39:58 | midkay | gotta run now.. laters all. |
| 00:40:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: Nevermind, ignore me. |
| 00:40:13 | sdf3r234 | hey guys, i have some questions about the sansa e200... is there anyone in here who is working on that project? |
| 00:40:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: Happy to. :) |
| 00:40:17 | Terinjokes | webguest00, glad it worked |
| 00:40:25 | tychver | ok |
| 00:40:42 | tychver | well I shall run a clean CVS, patch and try 24fps |
| 00:40:47 | Llorean | tychver: Even 25fps is not *wholly* consistent on the Nano, depending on the file, for example it dipped to about 23 in this one |
| 00:41:12 | tychver | ah right, maybe I shall stick with 15 then.. |
| 00:41:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should video be able to catch up with audio if it falls behind? |
| 00:41:32 | Llorean | Because mine fell out of sync and has caught up. |
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| 00:42:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: mpegplayer doesn't attempt a/v sync yet. It just plays audio at full-speed and attempts to play video at the correct speed if you enable the limit fps option. |
| 00:43:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's definitely *something* funny going on then |
| 00:44:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: This scene plays at 27 fps with speed limit on. The video falls behind the audio, and then catches up a bit later if the limit is on, and if frame skip is enabled, there's some heavy frame skipping in the scene. |
| 00:44:15 | Llorean | speed limit *off* for the 27 fps |
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| 00:51:20 | linuxstb | That sounds normal to me... |
| 00:51:55 | linuxstb | mpegplayer is always trying to display frames at the correct time. If it falls behind, it will catch up (if the CPU can). |
| 00:52:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: The file is 25 fps. It runs faster than its native framerate throughout the entire scene, but if I have the limit on, it runs slower than its native framerate at a certain portion. |
| 00:52:29 | Llorean | That's more the interesting thing, it's frameskipping on a file that can be decoded faster than realtime |
| 00:52:40 | amiconn | The build table is looking really odd... |
| 00:53:13 | linuxstb | The displayed framerate is the average since the start of the file. So if it decodes a second of audio too slowly, that may not affect the average. |
| 00:53:17 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 00:53:29 | Llorean | I didn't realize it was since the start of the file |
| 00:53:33 | Llorean | Ignore me, yet again. |
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| 00:55:54 | amiconn | Am I the only one (or rather, pixelma) who observes problems with switching an ipod to usb mode from within rockbox? |
| 00:56:06 | Llorean | What problems exactly? |
| 00:56:11 | amiconn | USB logo appears, but stays there instead of rebooting into disk mode |
| 00:56:34 | Llorean | I think I've seen reports of that in the forums |
| 00:56:36 | Llorean | Doesn't happen to me, though |
| 00:56:45 | linuxstb | Works fine for me (on both a Photo and Video). |
| 00:56:49 | Soap | nor I |
| 00:56:57 | amiconn | It worked with a build from the 18th |
| 00:57:17 | amiconn | But not with one of today's cvs builds |
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| 00:59:07 | pixelma | version 061229 -1051 |
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| 01:00:20 | amiconn | Bah, time zone offset |
| 01:00:22 | Llorean | Well, I have to be off for a bit. As far as I can tell then, mpegplayer is working as intended, and 256kbps video seems about right. The quality looks fine to me at least (in fact it may even be able to go a bit lower) but there was that little bit of frameskipping when the whole scene panned, so it's still maybe much to decode. |
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| 01:01:16 | bluebrother | who did the save shutdown on low power thing? |
| 01:01:33 | bluebrother | I have some strange behaviour that may be related to that |
| 01:01:50 | pixelma | I think barrywardell commited it |
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| 01:02:09 | bluebrother | good, then I try asking him about it |
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| 01:03:23 | amiconn | I guess it might have to do with the unified usb code, committed on the 20th |
| 01:03:59 | bluebrother | hmm. It's mostly the backlight dimming. Seems the settings get overwritten when the battery is low |
| 01:04:24 | bluebrother | simply reloading the settings fixes that. I thought maybe it's intended to not dim the backlight when the battery is low |
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| 01:05:05 | bluebrother | noticed on my h120 |
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| 01:06:23 | amiconn | I doubt that this is the problem here. The build was updated today, resetting the settings, and it worked before |
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| 01:08:07 | bluebrother | hmm. I'll try updating and let the battery run out tomorrow. See if I can still reproduce it then. |
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| 01:38:04 | AnthonyFitch | Hello, My name is Anthony Fitch, and I would like write permissions to the Rockbox Wiki |
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| 01:44:36 | pixelma | strange... I just have tested a little bit (re. USB detection...) I found the dailies up to the 27th working - 28th is not - 29th is missing. Then I build on my own with currently updated CVS and it's working... |
| 01:44:53 | pixelma | (on Ipod mini 2nd gen) |
| 01:46:43 | pixelma | this afternoon's CVS build wasn't working either |
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| 02:07:21 | firenx | does anyone know what would cause rockbox to run slow on my ipod 5.0 video? it seems to do this every so often.. reinstalling rockbox would resolve it sometimes but now im just not sure whats going on |
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| 02:12:14 | Soap | firenx: with the current scheduler, the UI is foced to play second fiddle to audio playback. |
| 02:12:49 | Soap | This is not how things used to be, so if you are upgrading from an older build, this might be the first time you have experienced it. |
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| 02:39:43 | firenx | no i've been playing around with a few versions, using jbuild so i can use the jclix theme .. |
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| 02:42:49 | Soap | I think all the Jbuilds are prior to the changes. |
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| 02:45:45 | * | mickael__ congratulates rockbox developpers |
| 02:46:31 | Soap | Llorean: did you just kill a fun thread? |
| 02:47:01 | Soap | nevermind |
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| 02:49:21 | Llorean | Soap: Which thread? |
| 02:49:24 | Llorean | Gr |
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| 02:52:11 | Craig_ | hi people. anyone know if there's a way of putting rockbox onto 80gb ipod? i can't wait for it! |
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| 02:52:41 | linuxstb | Craig_: Not yet. |
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| 02:53:26 | Craig_ | that's a shame |
| 02:54:13 | Craig_ | i hate itunes and it's random folder structure. i just got bought an ipod for xmas but i really don't want to transfer all my music using itunes |
| 02:54:50 | Llorean | Well, until someone figures out why we can't talk to the drive, we can't run on it |
| 02:55:48 | Craig_ | what seems to be the problem then? just something apple did to the latest drive? |
| 02:56:08 | Llorean | We don't know yet. |
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| 02:57:18 | Craig_ | has there been much progress on it? |
| 02:57:39 | Llorean | You can't really have progress in a situation like this. |
| 02:57:48 | Llorean | We know a wide range of things that don't work. Does that qualify as progress? |
| 02:57:59 | Llorean | We're still in the same place though. |
| 02:57:59 | Craig_ | i'd say so |
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| 02:59:18 | Llorean | There are a couple people hacking away at it though, so I imagine in time one of them will solve it |
| 02:59:26 | Craig_ | i'm sure :-) |
| 02:59:53 | Craig_ | i really hope it's soon. just wish i had a bit more knowledge and could help! |
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| 03:00:44 | krazyndn411 | quick question - on an autoupdating ipod, is all the music from before installing rockbox accessible with rockbox? |
| 03:00:54 | Llorean | Well, once the disk problem is solved Rockbox ought to work as well on the 80gb as it does on any other iPod. |
| 03:01:09 | Craig_ | i look forward to that! |
| 03:01:40 | Llorean | krazyndn411: Rockbox does not cause the contents of your music partition to be modified other than the files that you copy onto it. |
| 03:02:27 | Craig_ | from what i have read you can use database for rockbox to read the contents of your "itunes" music files |
| 03:03:04 | krazyndn411 | cool |
| 03:03:25 | Craig_ | what ipod have you got? |
| 03:03:43 | krazyndn411 | video - 30gb |
| 03:03:58 | krazyndn411 | i wanted to play flac content :-\ |
| 03:04:26 | Craig_ | i almost wish i had one of those - i got the 80gb unexpectedly for xmas and can't install rockbox :-( |
| 03:04:29 | Llorean | Is there some reason you can't? |
| 03:04:31 | krazyndn411 | plus - rocbox sound customization is so much nicer |
| 03:04:46 | krazyndn411 | i can't browse any music right now |
| 03:05:01 | Craig_ | :-/ |
| 03:05:24 | Craig_ | was it all transferred with itunes? |
| 03:05:33 | krazyndn411 | yeah |
| 03:05:35 | krazyndn411 | before i installed rockbox |
| 03:05:35 | Llorean | You shouldn't be able to transfer flacs with iTunes though |
| 03:05:51 | krazyndn411 | i haven't transferred any yet |
| 03:05:51 | krazyndn411 | i just wanted to |
| 03:06:33 | Llorean | If you're planning to use Rockbox for music, iTunes really isn't the way to go anyway. |
| 03:06:43 | Llorean | But database can find and index all your non-protected iTunes songs |
| 03:07:21 | Craig_ | i wish companies would just see how much they're shooting themselves in the back with all this DRM crap |
| 03:08:02 | Craig_ | all i want is to use my ipod as a harddrive with a regular folder structure that can access all my music |
| 03:08:05 | krazyndn411 | all of it is non protected...i think i will reformat anyways...i tunes 7 really pisses me off because |
| 03:08:18 | Soap | Apple's choice to use a database system has nothing to do with DRM |
| 03:08:44 | Llorean | Soap: But their choice to obfuscate filenames was likely to make it difficult for users to copy files off it |
| 03:08:46 | Craig_ | it has to do with stopping you from copying as easily back to computer |
| 03:09:01 | Llorean | Soap: What thread did you think I'd killed, by the way? |
| 03:09:08 | Soap | Llorean: the argument has been made that the database is faster because of the consistant and small file names and sizes. |
| 03:09:33 | Soap | Llorean: and that if they /really/ didn't want you moving files off they would remove the (unneeded) metadata/tags. |
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| 03:10:12 | Soap | Craig_: copy them back, any decent tagger will rename and organize them for you. |
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| 03:11:09 | Llorean | Soap: I don't imagine the consistency of the filenames was necessary to make the database faster, especially since until recently it was possible to allow the database to use longer names which means it wasn't hardcoded to depend on or expect short ones, or optimized to use them in some special way. |
| 03:11:09 | Craig_ | i know there are ways and i know exactly how to do them. it's just a pain that i can't drag my music folder straight onto my ipod and browse it |
| 03:11:26 | krazyndn411 | hmm |
| 03:11:33 | krazyndn411 | i like this new way of browsing |
| 03:11:39 | krazyndn411 | i think i'll reformat |
| 03:11:48 | Llorean | Soap: I'm not saying that there wasn't a performance advantage, just that it seems unlikely to be a primary reason (to me, but I'm not invested in this, I honestly don't care why they did it, it's silly either way) |
| 03:12:20 | Craig_ | if the filename argument is true, how come other manufacturers don't do it? |
| 03:12:35 | Soap | it is silly, and I still believe the existance of tags proves they didn't do it to screw anyone. |
| 03:12:56 | Soap | Craig_: name another system with as fast of a database when dealing with 60GB of music? |
| 03:13:06 | Soap | sorry |
| 03:13:09 | Soap | enough OT. |
| 03:13:29 | Llorean | Soap: I think the existence of tags is laziness. I don't think it was a *deep* effort to screw anyone, just a token effort to keep the most casual users (which honestly, is what iPod sells to primarily) confused. |
| 03:13:50 | Llorean | But, on the plus side, the remaining tags makes our Database able to incorporate iTunes infected iPods with ease. |
| 03:14:09 | Craig_ | and also to try and make sure they use itunes to transfer music, which would probably encourage them to buy from the iTunes store |
| 03:14:26 | Craig_ | i'm just a bit cynical |
| 03:14:34 | * | Llorean wonders if anyone has written a Rockbox-sync for a popular music manager yet. |
| 03:15:10 | Soap | when Foobar2000 gets opened and ported there will be only one popular music manager! ;) |
| 03:15:19 | Llorean | "When" or "If"? |
| 03:15:31 | Soap | not if |
| 03:15:32 | Soap | IF |
| 03:15:35 | Soap | it's a big one. |
| 03:15:38 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 03:15:47 | Craig_ | gotta love foobar |
| 03:16:06 | linuxstb | I've never understood developers who release "free" software, but keep the source to themselves. |
| 03:16:06 | Llorean | Apparently you don't have to, I do see diehard winamp fanatics. |
| 03:16:34 | Craig_ | but foobar is just so economical on cpu/memory usage |
| 03:16:53 | Craig_ | winamp is nowhere near as good from that point of view |
| 03:17:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think there's a fear of someone forking and showing you up. |
| 03:17:48 | Llorean | I mean, there's always the option of a license that doesn't allow redistribution. |
| 03:18:15 | tehsmo | perhaps they also don't want to deal with a development community, and working with patches and such |
| 03:18:44 | tehsmo | it's easy to merge changes when you're the only developer. ;) |
| 03:19:04 | Soap | just because you release the source doesn't mean you need to offer public CVS, or even more support than "Here. Are you happy now?" |
| 03:19:10 | tehsmo | true |
| 03:19:20 | tehsmo | but then people will fork, and you get to llorean's argument |
| 03:19:33 | Craig_ | nice speaking guys, i'm off |
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| 03:19:35 | Llorean | tehsmo: If you have a no-redistribution license, people can't fork. |
| 03:19:40 | tehsmo | hmm. .true |
| 03:19:44 | Llorean | Well, not legally |
| 03:19:56 | linuxstb | That's hardly Free software then.. |
| 03:19:57 | Soap | yea, which is a new one to me. The two theories i had always heard were 1-contains code it shouldn't and 2-It is a royal mess. |
| 03:20:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: Aye, 'tis true. |
| 03:20:45 | Llorean | But I mean, closing the source only seems to imply that there's something in the source that the user doesn't want other people to see. |
| 03:21:04 | Soap | or that you're a sucker and a free beta tester. |
| 03:21:09 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 03:21:29 | Llorean | Hey, as long as it doesn't have some self destruct code in it that eats it when the retail product goes live, I'll be happy with the final beta. |
| 03:21:42 | linuxstb | But I agree it's hard to open-source an existing closed-source application. It's completely different if it's been open source from the very early stages. |
| 03:22:37 | * | linuxstb is frustrated that mpegplayer is _just_ too slow for fullscreen video at 25fps on his photo... Too much framedropping. |
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| 03:23:58 | Llorean | What bitrate are you encoding at for Photo? |
| 03:24:40 | linuxstb | I've been trying mencoder. First at 500kbps, then at 400kbps. The quality is still OK, so I'll try dropping it further. |
| 03:25:19 | Llorean | I imagine there's still room for optimizing too, anyway, right? |
| 03:26:03 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm sure there is. |
| 03:27:32 | Soap | I'm making room for some benchmarking videos. I assume for benchmarking purposes it would be beter to encode to a small size, so that the FPS average has a higher degree of "resolution" (45 compared to 41 being more meaningful than 10 to 11?) |
| 03:28:04 | Soap | OR - should I benchmark at higher resolutions because low resolution tests aren't indicitive of high res performance? |
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| 03:28:40 | linuxstb | I don't know... Do some benchmarks to decide how to benchmark... |
| 03:28:47 | * | Llorean saw that one coming. :) |
| 03:28:58 | Llorean | Or at least, something like it |
| 03:29:05 | jeffb | hehe |
| 03:29:43 | Llorean | I have to say, until today I've felt fairly indifferent about Video support, and suddenly, after watching 10 minutes of a TV show on my Nano I find myself thinking "I wish rebuffering worked..." |
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| 03:30:58 | tychver | I keep cartoon episodes on mine, they get down to about 20mins without the adverts, perferct viewing while on hold |
| 03:31:23 | linuxstb | But I think I would just go with "real" video files - i.e. encode at full-screen. |
| 03:31:27 | jeffb | watching video on a nano seems painful |
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| 03:32:05 | Llorean | jeffb: Not so much, honestly. |
| 03:32:14 | Llorean | Though I'd probably mainly be listening to it anyway |
| 03:32:30 | jeffb | haven't had a chance to try it out yet |
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| 04:12:01 | snicker | hi folks |
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| 04:15:25 | snicker | does rockbox support a type of "suspend" mode on ipod nano 1stgen? |
| 04:16:37 | BHSPitLappy | it supports a type of "off" mode |
| 04:17:01 | snicker | well, by suspend i mean, the screen goes off |
| 04:17:08 | snicker | rather than shutting down completely |
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| 04:19:22 | snicker | screen comes back on on first button press |
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| 04:25:13 | scorche | that is called sleep mode...and no it doesnt |
| 04:25:57 | snicker | well are there implementations in the code to turn off the screen? |
| 04:26:14 | snicker | I guess there's probably more to it than that |
| 04:26:21 | scorche | much more |
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| 04:54:10 | Fred_From_Toaste | hi |
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| 04:54:45 | tical2k | what is the main processor on the ipod photo/5g etc? |
| 04:55:15 | tical2k | im drawing a blank.... PP.... power______ ? |
| 04:56:43 | scorche | portal player |
| 04:56:51 | tical2k | whoops |
| 04:56:51 | tical2k | haha |
| 04:58:41 | Fred_From_Toaste | noob question here |
| 04:59:46 | Fred_From_Toaste | im using wmp 11 with an ipod nano, never used itunes, do i have to convert the database so i can see my songs or am i just missing somthing obvious here? |
| 04:59:58 | scorche | no |
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| 05:00:18 | scorche | at least i dont think so...dont know how WMP does things |
| 05:03:21 | Fred_From_Toaste | im using a plugin, dopisp, its called... I think i can figure this out, but i think that plugin makes it act like itunes, but i checked it out and the filenames look normal on the ipod.... |
| 05:03:21 | tical2k | linuxstb: hows the cpu scaling turning out for you? |
| 05:08:50 | Fred_From_Toaste | can anyone recomed a better media player then? |
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| 05:21:43 | mdke | The manual for the ipod gen 2 doesn't contain any info about upgrading... what's the procedure? |
| 05:23:16 | scorche | we dont support the 2nd gen...and we have no manual for it |
| 05:24:47 | mdke | scorche: sorry, mini 2nd gen |
| 05:25:30 | bagawk | mdke: unzip the file onto the ipod, particularly the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder should be new |
| 05:25:59 | mdke | ok. I've done that. i don't need to do anything with the firmware? |
| 05:26:20 | bagawk | nope, the bootloader just reads the rockbox.ipod file and runs it |
| 05:26:27 | mdke | oh right |
| 05:26:37 | mdke | cool, hopefully it will crash less :D |
| 05:26:58 | * | mdke gives it a try |
| 05:27:57 | bagawk | mdke: what do you do with the ubuntu project btw (noticing your hostmask) |
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| 05:29:26 | mdke | bagawk: documentation, various general community things |
| 05:29:58 | mdke | rockbox doesn't want to boot now :( |
| 05:30:02 | bagawk | ohh cool |
| 05:30:07 | mdke | error -5 |
| 05:31:38 | mdke | it's showing the old version, and there is a slightly discrepancy between Checksum and Sum |
| 05:31:43 | mdke | any ideas what might be up? |
| 05:32:02 | scorche | you likely put the wrong build on the device |
| 05:32:22 | mdke | that sounds possible |
| 05:32:28 | scorche | sure you put the 2nd gen build on your 2nd gen device? |
| 05:32:39 | mdke | maybe it isn't a mini 2nd gen after all... |
| 05:32:53 | scorche | does it say the capacity on the back? |
| 05:33:11 | mdke | no |
| 05:33:21 | bagawk | If i remember the difference is the color on the clickwheel match the color of the ipod for gen 2 |
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| 05:33:33 | scorche | and where it says menu, fast forward, etc colot match the whole colo....yeah |
| 05:33:46 | scorche | bagawk: both are differences |
| 05:34:20 | mdke | under settings/about I see version 1.1 |
| 05:34:39 | mdke | that's 1 gen then, I guess? |
| 05:34:39 | scorche | mdke: so it doesnt say something like 5GB on the back? |
| 05:34:47 | mdke | no, it's 4gb |
| 05:34:50 | mdke | but nothing on the back |
| 05:34:54 | scorche | but does it say that? |
| 05:34:59 | scorche | alright...you ahve a first gen |
| 05:35:19 | mdke | damn, my bad. Have I ruined everything, or can I unpack the correct build on top? |
| 05:35:21 | scorche | and for the crashes, get mikeage's build with the frequency scaling patch |
| 05:35:30 | mdke | ooh! |
| 05:35:38 | mdke | that sounds promising |
| 05:35:51 | scorche | reset (menu+select), then enter disk mode (select+play) |
| 05:36:10 | mdke | ok |
| 05:36:55 | mdke | done |
| 05:37:03 | Soap | forum quote of the day: |
| 05:37:04 | Soap | "Thanks. After a lot more digging around (this site really could do with a prominent site map link on the home page!) I've figured out that the iRiver H10 port is a work-in-progress" |
| 05:37:27 | scorche | must have been a slow day if you chose that one.. |
| 05:37:56 | mdke | scorche: what do I do now? |
| 05:38:09 | scorche | copy a new build over |
| 05:38:23 | * | mdke plugs it in |
| 05:38:43 | Soap | you don't like the second half of that one? |
| 05:39:10 | scorche | it was "meh" |
| 05:39:36 | mdke | scorche: boots now (loads faster too :) |
| 05:39:41 | mdke | scorche: about this patch... |
| 05:39:51 | mdke | gimme! |
| 05:40:15 | scorche | Soap: heh..."can i get the link through a private message?" |
| 05:40:22 | mdke | it crashes a lot especially when a bit low on battery, I think |
| 05:40:27 | scorche | mdke: look on the forums |
| 05:40:35 | mdke | ok |
| 05:40:36 | Soap | scorche: yea, I thought that one needed moved now. |
| 05:40:45 | Soap | with LL and Febs gone. |
| 05:41:29 | mdke | while I'm here, I've also noticed that I seem to get random loss of my settings (such as font size and file view), is this a known bug, a fixed bug, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 05:41:46 | scorche | how are you shutting off the device? |
| 05:41:58 | scorche | or rebooting |
| 05:42:18 | scorche | if you hard reset it (menu+select), it will not save them |
| 05:42:35 | mdke | oh, probably I do some of those. Generally I do play+select |
| 05:43:16 | scorche | why?...it should go into disk mode automatically whenyou plug in the cable |
| 05:43:40 | mdke | play+select seems to make it shut down |
| 05:43:59 | scorche | only because holding play makes it shutdown |
| 05:44:12 | mdke | ah. |
| 05:45:01 | mdke | is there a way to make it save my settings no matter what? |
| 05:45:31 | bagawk | humm make sure the disk spins up before you shut it off |
| 05:46:11 | bagawk | playing a song from another album or runing a plugin should do it |
| 05:46:35 | scorche | mdke: you can also save your settings to a file you can load yourself |
| 05:46:51 | mdke | I tried that, but found that I couldn't figure out how to save the filename |
| 05:47:03 | mdke | which was so frustrating, I gave up |
| 05:47:13 | scorche | reading the manual helps |
| 05:48:28 | mdke | I didn't think of that... I thought of it for a serious task like upgrading, but not something trivial like operating the thing |
| 05:49:12 | scorche | the manual is...well, a manual...it has a variety of topics from simple, to advanced |
| 05:49:30 | mdke | yes, I see that. |
| 05:49:54 | mdke | But I didn't have to read the Apple manual to operate it, so I guess it just didn't occur to me |
| 05:50:04 | mdke | I'll read it |
| 05:50:16 | mdke | and maybe file some usability bugs if I am not satisfied after that :) |
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| 05:53:43 | mdke | scorche: I've found the custom build you referred to. What's the affect on battery life, do you know? |
| 05:54:22 | scorche | not anything to worry about |
| 05:54:30 | mdke | I'll give it a try then |
| 05:56:57 | mdke | scorche: sorry to keep bugging you, on http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/index.php, is the correct one "noscaling" or "cpufreq3"? |
| 05:57:11 | Soap | go with noscaling |
| 05:57:20 | mdke | ok, that's what I figured. Just to be sure :) |
| 05:57:20 | Soap | it locks the CPU at 75, and prevents the crashes. |
| 05:57:21 | scorche | wrong |
| 05:57:32 | Soap | I though cpufreq3 was still unstable? |
| 05:57:35 | mdke | no? |
| 05:57:39 | Soap | I was getting to that though. |
| 05:57:58 | scorche | cpufreq3 |
| 05:58:13 | mdke | ok. it's the good stuff? |
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| 06:00:03 | scorche | you can use the noscaling build as well...it will drastically reduce battery though, but it is the only "for sure" way of getting rid of the issue |
| 06:00:15 | scorche | use that if cpufreq doesnt work for you |
| 06:00:24 | mdke | i'll try this cpufreq3 for now |
| 06:00:25 | mdke | thanks guys |
| 06:02:09 | mdke | keep up the good work |
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| 06:18:18 | JackalSMP | hey have they fix the video for rockbox for ipod video |
| 06:21:03 | scorche | what is wrong with it? |
| 06:22:14 | tehsmo | JackalSMP: if you mean, have they implemented support, sort of. there's an mpeg player that uses the cpu and gets 15-ish fps. but there's no support for the broadcom chip as of yet IIRC |
| 06:23:41 | JackalSMP | does the audi work /? |
| 06:24:37 | tehsmo | with the mpeg player? yeah, IIRC. although the whole thing is experimental and not in CVS or anything |
| 06:24:39 | scorche | no, but it is a work in progress |
| 06:25:05 | scorche | as i said...work in progress ;) |
| 06:25:11 | JackalSMP | anything I can do to help the process |
| 06:25:19 | scorche | do you know C? |
| 06:25:28 | JackalSMP | no but i have a friend who is a wiz |
| 06:25:33 | JackalSMP | really good |
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| 06:27:32 | Soap | seduce him |
| 06:28:10 | Soap | then, the following morning tell him to get cracking on Rockbox or else you will tell his wife. |
| 06:31:25 | topbloke | it would rock if rockbox could play xvids |
| 06:31:50 | scorche | then make them play |
| 06:32:01 | topbloke | and also TV out |
| 06:32:09 | scorche | then code a patch for it |
| 06:32:14 | topbloke | right o |
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| 06:37:53 | webguest46 | hi? |
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| 06:50:25 | jeffb | hehe |
| 06:50:28 | jeffb | "seduce him" |
| 06:51:33 | daurnimator | no |
| 06:51:34 | daurnimator | i mean |
| 06:51:34 | daurnimator | sedate |
| 06:51:37 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 06:51:53 | daurnimator | you get to have sex either way |
| 06:53:37 | jeffb | man gnu assembler (as) is so damn picky |
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| 07:14:20 | Coldtoast | just found out I actually have a 5.5G ipod. That's the same as the 5G as far as rb support goes? |
| 07:16:24 | tehsmo | the 30GB is supported, the 80 is not |
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| 08:17:26 | Coldtoast | tehsmo: : the 5.5G 30Gb tho? |
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| 08:18:14 | Mouser_X | Coldtoast: Pretty sure that the 30 GB 5.5 is supported. |
| 08:18:24 | Mouser_X | HCS has a 5.5, as I recall. |
| 08:18:41 | Mouser_X | He's developed a couple of plugins for Rockbox. |
| 08:20:05 | scorche | Coldtoast: yes |
| 08:21:42 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 08:21:42 | Coldtoast | cool |
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| 08:31:32 | tehsmo | yeah, the 30GB 5.5G is supported |
| 08:32:00 | tehsmo | actually I just noticed it says that on the home page; must have been recently added |
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| 08:45:44 | Coldtoast | ah. diodn't see it there when I looked a couple of days ago |
| 08:47:58 | tehsmo | yeah, I think that changed yesterday, maybe |
| 08:48:09 | RedZZR11 | Hi all, trying to register on the twiki - not receiving the emails - does it take a while? |
| 08:48:20 | tehsmo | RedZZR11: sometimes. took more than an hour for me |
| 08:48:48 | RedZZR11 | Ok, thanks - I'll wait for a while then.. |
| 08:48:51 | tehsmo | I think there's server issues at the moment, something about it running on only one CPU |
| 08:49:36 | Coldtoast | so I use iPod Video/5G bootloader? |
| 08:49:41 | Coldtoast | guess so |
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| 08:51:31 | Mouser_X | Howdy bun-bun. |
| 08:51:55 | Mouser_X | Just wondering, but does your username have anything to do with a Megaman composer? |
| 08:52:10 | bun-bun_ | hi, no it doesn't |
| 08:52:10 | Mouser_X | Or is it related to an online comic? |
| 08:52:19 | bun-bun_ | yes, sluggy freelance |
| 08:52:20 | Mouser_X | Sluggy.com? |
| 08:52:24 | bun-bun_ | :D |
| 08:52:28 | Mouser_X | Good stuff. |
| 08:52:46 | Mouser_X | (Bunbun composed music for Megaman 3, and I think 2.) |
| 08:52:55 | bun-bun_ | yeah i was a big fan of sluggy |
| 08:53:02 | Mouser_X | (Obviously, different bunbuns.) |
| 08:53:09 | bun-bun_ | yeah |
| 08:53:16 | Mouser_X | I used to read it almost daily. |
| 08:53:20 | Mouser_X | That changed when I got a job. |
| 08:53:26 | bun-bun_ | lol, same here |
| 08:53:31 | Mouser_X | I now read it almost monthy. |
| 08:54:03 | bun-bun_ | from about '98 to 2000 or so i read it regularly, but i admit i haven't looked at it in a long time now |
| 08:54:12 | Mouser_X | Oh, that's too bad. |
| 08:54:21 | Mouser_X | A LOT has happened since then... |
| 08:54:32 | bun-bun_ | yeah i noticed when i checked about a month ago D: |
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| 08:54:38 | Mouser_X | Bunbun was actually out of the comic for about a year. |
| 08:54:44 | tehsmo | by the time I heard of sluggy, the archive was too intimidating |
| 08:54:47 | bun-bun | O.O |
| 08:54:57 | Mouser_X | Yes, he got banished. |
| 08:55:02 | bun-bun | is aylee still around? |
| 08:55:07 | Mouser_X | It took about a year for him to get back. |
| 08:55:18 | Mouser_X | From what I recall, she's in a cacoon. |
| 08:55:24 | Mouser_X | Has been for some time. |
| 08:55:29 | bun-bun | i really need to go back and read it all from the beginning |
| 08:55:40 | Mouser_X | I'm thinking of doing the same thing. |
| 08:55:49 | bun-bun | i really really meant to order the books when pete abrams published them |
| 08:55:59 | Mouser_X | You still can. |
| 08:56:09 | Mouser_X | I think the first ones are now in a compilation. |
| 08:56:10 | bun-bun | are they still first editions? |
| 08:56:13 | bun-bun | ahh |
| 08:56:14 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 08:56:43 | Mouser_X | Though, at least they're available. |
| 08:58:02 | Mouser_X | I strongly recommend that you attempt to catch up. |
| 08:58:13 | Mouser_X | There's some really good content that you're missing out on. |
| 08:58:22 | bun-bun | i can imagine |
| 08:58:27 | bun-bun | zoe still around? |
| 08:58:32 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 08:58:37 | bun-bun | hot :D |
| 08:58:44 | Mouser_X | I think she's moved out though. |
| 08:59:05 | bun-bun | moved out? she was already living on her own i thought |
| 08:59:11 | Mouser_X | She was going to school, but ran out of money (I think Riff or Torg stole here credit card number...) |
| 08:59:18 | bun-bun | lol |
| 08:59:31 | Mouser_X | Well, at one point, they were all living in the same house. |
| 08:59:37 | Mouser_X | She moved out of that. |
| 08:59:41 | bun-bun | oh man i'm really out of it |
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| 09:00:00 | Mouser_X | The house had a really interesting ending... |
| 09:00:14 | Mouser_X | They now own it, free of charge, rent, payment, everything. |
| 09:00:22 | bun-bun | ok i'm going to start tomorrow. i would start tonight but i need to sleep and if i start reading there goes the sleep idea |
| 09:00:38 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 09:00:43 | Mouser_X | So very true. |
| 09:00:53 | Mouser_X | I've had that happen on numerous occasions. |
| 09:01:21 | bun-bun | yeah, and what time i have left i need to get this stupid voip crap working |
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| 09:02:52 | Mouser_X | Bah... |
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| 09:18:28 | GaryAllen_RedZZR | Hi, got my confirmation email from twiki - now how to I get write access? |
| 09:20:43 | bagawk | GaryAllen_RedZZR: someone adds you to the list, now you _really_ plan to edit the wiki correct? |
| 09:22:00 | GaryAllen_RedZZR | Yep, I want to add some stuff to the Gigabeat port, I've modded some code and done a WPS for it. |
| 09:23:47 | bagawk | GaryAllen_RedZZR: I added you to the group |
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| 09:24:59 | GaryAllen_RedZZR | Thanks - my twiki login is just GaryAllen |
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| 09:25:33 | bagawk | yep Have fun :) |
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| 09:27:07 | bianconeri | Hello all, I installed rockbox successfully, and been fiddling with it for quite some time. What I can't figure out, is that when I change it to database mode, for each artist I get multiple (2 or even more) songs for the same song...which wasn't the case earlier on the original Mac software...thanx in advance :) |
| 09:27:11 | goffa | theoretical question.. is it possible to have a wps display landscape? |
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| 09:31:50 | bagawk | goffa: what do you mean by landscape? |
| 09:32:25 | goffa | like if you were to rotate the player 90 degrees |
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| 09:33:07 | bagawk | ahh |
| 09:33:22 | goffa | gigabeat has a tall screen |
| 09:33:26 | goffa | so it'd be useful |
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| 09:33:38 | goffa | esp for long filenames |
| 09:34:39 | bagawk | well, you certainly could change the code to reverse the screen width and height and then swap the cords on every pixel |
| 09:35:37 | goffa | hmm.. that sounds like it could get messy |
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| 09:37:42 | goffa | i know they have the rotate 180.. but that seems much easier to implement |
| 09:37:44 | Coldtoast | just installed rb on my ipod 5.5g and whe it boots it's saying No Partition |
| 09:38:04 | Coldtoast | assuming this is cos the ipod has an unallocated section of 94MB then the main partition formatted as FAT32 |
| 09:39:40 | Mouser_X | Read the documentation/FAQ. |
| 09:39:56 | Mouser_X | I recall reading about that somewhere, but I don't know what was said. |
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| 09:40:15 | bagawk | goffa: another way, make a sideways font and write up lcd_puts to swap the cords |
| 09:40:17 | Mouser_X | Since I haven't read the documentation, I'm going to guess I read it in the FAQ. |
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| 10:22:56 | amiconn | goffa: Rotating by 90° at runtime would be really hard, as it would mean that lcd width and height are no longer constant (as seen by all drawing functions etc) |
| 10:23:25 | amiconn | What would be much easier would be making a special build that _always_ uses the display in landscape mode |
| 10:30:05 | amiconn | I don't see the point though. The gigabeat display is huge... |
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| 10:58:51 | nudelyn | \o/ Earlier today Apple said the company is facing several federal lawsuits for allegedly creating an illegal monopoly by tying iTunes to iPods. |
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| 11:00:34 | Coldtoast | interesting |
| 11:00:54 | Coldtoast | their hardware, their software |
| 11:01:05 | Coldtoast | what's being monopolised? |
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| 11:01:31 | nudelyn | having a monopoly isn't what's illegal |
| 11:01:31 | nudelyn | having a monopoly and using it to force people to use other products of yours is illegal |
| 11:01:49 | Coldtoast | forcing? |
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| 11:02:12 | Coldtoast | how? it's not like there aren't craploads of other options |
| 11:02:17 | nudelyn | if you have an ipod you can only buy from itunes. if you buy from itunes you can only play what you bought on an ipod (or computer with itunes) |
| 11:02:52 | nudelyn | apple have 80% of the market. when MS got sued there were other options but they were still found guitly because they abused the monopoly they had with windows for force other things on people |
| 11:03:24 | nudelyn | though TBH i don't agree with much of the MS case. shipping IE for free didn't stop anyone using firefox. |
| 11:03:29 | nudelyn | or netscape at the itme |
| 11:03:44 | nudelyn | netscape not being updated for a couple of years stopped people from using netscape :) |
| 11:03:48 | linuxstb | If you have an ipod, you can buy non-DRM-protected music and play that. You don't have to buy music from ITMS. |
| 11:03:54 | Coldtoast | it's not Apple's fault they have an 80% marketshare |
| 11:04:01 | Coldtoast | unlike Windows, where if you want certain things you HAVE to use Windows |
| 11:04:03 | nudelyn | having a monopoly isn't what's illegal <<< |
| 11:04:19 | nudelyn | if you want to buy music online much of it is only available on itunes |
| 11:04:26 | cynicalliberal | linuxstb: you're overestimating the average tech-user |
| 11:04:29 | nudelyn | and apple refuse to licence their DRM system to anyone else |
| 11:04:52 | nudelyn | so they lock people in to using one of their products because they're already using another one |
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| 11:05:41 | nudelyn | Sony and Microsoft are just as bad, but they don't have enough market share to be considered a monopoly, I guess. Or they'll be sued next once Apple is out of the way, if the case succeeds, perhaps. |
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| 11:06:45 | Coldtoast | the ol' PS3 doesn't seem to be doing so well at the moment |
| 11:07:22 | nudelyn | not surprising. it costs a crazy amount and has only one good game at the moment, and is no more powerful (in real terms) than the year-old 360. |
| 11:07:52 | nudelyn | nice to see the arrogant bastards at SCE fail at least a little, though i'm sure the PS3 will still be a success due to brand loyalty. (and i'm sure i'll buy one eventually for some exclusive title) |
| 11:08:15 | Coldtoast | fail a little? they've failed spectacularly in recent years |
| 11:08:30 | nudelyn | not the SCE part (the console division) |
| 11:08:34 | Coldtoast | oh. yeah |
| 11:08:50 | Coldtoast | personally, I never did like the Playstation |
| 11:08:56 | Coldtoast | no version |
| 11:09:06 | Coldtoast | loved the xbox tho. amazing things when modded |
| 11:09:29 | nudelyn | I don't like the PS2 hardware but there were some good games for it. THey could've been done on another platform though. |
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| 11:10:04 | nudelyn | mostly i don't like companies who openly say "we could ship a bucket full of shit for $1000 with the playstation logo on it and people would still want to work overtime to buy it" |
| 11:10:09 | Coldtoast | maybe if I were a bit younger I'd be more into consoles |
| 11:10:11 | nudelyn | or lie about why they had to remove rumble from their controllers |
| 11:10:49 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 11:11:10 | nudelyn | i like consoles. much less hassle than pc gaming in terms of drivers and keeping hardware up to date, and you can play them on the sofa. :) |
| 11:11:20 | Coldtoast | weird how everybody (who I've ever talked to) never used rumble but when they dumped it, everybody was up in arms |
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| 11:11:42 | nudelyn | rumble is used in just about every game these days |
| 11:11:52 | Coldtoast | you don't have to enable it tho |
| 11:12:08 | Coldtoast | everybody I know never has it enabled |
| 11:12:10 | nudelyn | it's enabled by default. you'd have to go out of your way to disable it. (or use a Wavebird) |
| 11:12:22 | nudelyn | you know strange people :) |
| 11:12:31 | Coldtoast | well.. on the PSX controllers it's a one button operation if I recall |
| 11:12:55 | nudelyn | that's the Analog toggle not rumble, if it's what i'm thinking of |
| 11:13:05 | Coldtoast | oh. probably |
| 11:13:28 | Coldtoast | anyway. on teh xbox, I only ev er enabled rumble to show my friend how I'd connected LEDs to the rumble. heh |
| 11:13:49 | nudelyn | hehe |
| 11:14:29 | Coldtoast | the most gaming I've ver done on a console is on my DS tho |
| 11:14:49 | Coldtoast | as in I've picked that up more than I've used any home console I've ever owned |
| 11:15:14 | Coldtoast | for gaming, at least. Used to use my xbox CONSTANTLY for media |
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| 11:15:33 | Coldtoast | oh! and emulators. Metal Slug X is awesome with friends on a TV |
| 11:16:50 | Juice^ | snes on xbox is cool too :) |
| 11:16:59 | norlatch | does anyone else have problems with new builds of rockbox for iriver h340? |
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| 11:17:07 | Coldtoast | Yoshi's Island FTW :) |
| 11:17:16 | norlatch | my player is shutting don suddely after upgrading to anewer build |
| 11:17:44 | norlatch | i have the battery fully charged but it says its empty and shuts down |
| 11:19:15 | linuxstb | Have you tried the original firmware? |
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| 11:19:47 | norlatch | i did |
| 11:19:48 | linuxstb | (and does reverting back to an older build fix it?) |
| 11:20:02 | norlatch | and strangly it also says the battery is empty |
| 11:20:14 | norlatch | i dont have an older build |
| 11:20:29 | norlatch | at least i cant find one on the website |
| 11:20:29 | linuxstb | You can download them from the "older" link on the daily builds page - going back 30 days. |
| 11:20:49 | norlatch | i doubt that will be enough |
| 11:21:04 | linuxstb | But if the OF is also showing an empty battery, it doesn't look like a Rockbox issue. |
| 11:21:07 | norlatch | my last working one was from october |
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| 11:21:43 | norlatch | other people have the same problems |
| 11:22:04 | norlatch | acourding to the forum at misticriver.net |
| 11:22:26 | norlatch | i recharged the battery |
| 11:22:52 | norlatch | the voltage was at about 4.12V |
| 11:22:59 | norlatch | then updated the software |
| 11:23:06 | Juice^ | does themes work on the sansa e2xx yet? |
| 11:23:20 | norlatch | and when i started the player it showed 2.97Volts and shut down |
| 11:24:28 | linuxstb | It's the bootloader that displays the voltage at boot-time - and that hasn't changed for months afaik. |
| 11:24:38 | norlatch | i just tried to download an older bild the website seems to havesome problems |
| 11:24:48 | linuxstb | But you should wait until a hardware guru is around who might have more ideas... |
| 11:25:53 | norlatch | ok i wont be here for a couple of days (new year and all) now but thanks anyway |
| 11:26:33 | norlatch | maybe on last question: is there a mirror for older rockbox builds? |
| 11:28:31 | linuxstb | No. |
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| 11:44:20 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
| 11:44:24 | JdGordon | hey |
| 11:45:10 | daurnimator | what you doing for NY? |
| 11:45:22 | JdGordon | dunno yet |
| 11:45:32 | JdGordon | prob skip the city, but too early t know yet |
| 11:45:58 | JdGordon | u? |
| 11:47:50 | * | JdGordon wonders why my idiot router wont give my laptop an ip.. even thot he link is up :'( |
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| 11:48:09 | linuxstb | Because its an idiot... |
| 11:48:24 | JdGordon | stupid cheap netgear |
| 11:49:17 | daurnimator | i dunno |
| 11:49:27 | daurnimator | all my friends bailed @ xmas |
| 11:49:42 | daurnimator | and mates have got tickets to concerts etc |
| 11:49:58 | JdGordon | what concerts r on nye? |
| 11:50:00 | daurnimator | got absolutely NO ONE to go around with :*( |
| 11:50:22 | JdGordon | aaww... there there... |
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| 11:52:21 | daurnimator | uh |
| 11:52:23 | daurnimator | lots |
| 11:52:38 | daurnimator | most popular: falls, summadayze, pyramid rock |
| 11:52:53 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 11:53:05 | daurnimator | i didn't have a credit card in time to get a ticket |
| 11:53:05 | daurnimator | and i don't have enough cash for scalpers |
| 11:53:05 | daurnimator | :( |
| 11:55:28 | daurnimator | at least i get a new id tomorrow |
| 11:55:42 | linuxstb | You're changing identity? |
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| 11:55:57 | daurnimator | just my birthdate |
| 11:56:38 | linuxstb | BTW, is the Archos 404 anything like the 402, or are they completely different hardware? |
| 11:56:59 | JdGordon | grr... whats the command t copy/paste text in vim? |
| 11:57:03 | daurnimator | completely different |
| 11:57:12 | JdGordon | daurnimator: your bday tomorow? |
| 11:57:12 | daurnimator | linuxstb: did you watch my vid? |
| 11:57:22 | daurnimator | no |
| 11:58:00 | linuxstb | daurnimator: I watched the start, but my laptop's wireless connection was weak, and it kept pausing, so I gave up. |
| 11:58:48 | linuxstb | Although I'm not really interested in what it can do with the Archos firmware or archopen - I'm a slave to Rockbox. |
| 11:58:52 | daurnimator | well |
| 11:59:01 | daurnimator | you can see what it can already do |
| 11:59:12 | daurnimator | but. mainly was to show you how the exploit looks |
| 11:59:17 | daurnimator | you run an avi |
| 11:59:37 | linuxstb | Do you have to do that every time you want to run an alternative firmware? |
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| 12:00:02 | linuxstb | Or just the initial install of the bootloader? |
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| 12:13:10 | daurnimator | uh |
| 12:13:21 | daurnimator | at the moment, yes |
| 12:13:31 | daurnimator | theres only a couple of devs |
| 12:13:41 | daurnimator | and no one wants to risk anything |
| 12:13:48 | daurnimator | - firmware is stored on flash |
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| 12:18:49 | linuxstb | daurnimator: OK, that's understandable. |
| 12:18:57 | linuxstb | But defintiely needs fixing... |
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| 12:21:47 | webguest38 | hi a question - where are all the daily builds? http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml is virtually blank! please help... |
| 12:23:01 | | Quit mathgl ("Quitte") |
| 12:23:12 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ - scroll down to the bottom and choose the folder for your player. |
| 12:23:37 | webguest38 | ah great, thanks linuxstb |
| 12:23:51 | linuxstb | Or just download a bleeding-edge/CVS build - there is no real difference. |
| 12:24:22 | linuxstb | (the daily build is just the CVS build from a certain time each day). |
| 12:24:22 | pixelma | that doesn't help.... there are no dailies of the 30th (for example Ipod mini...) |
| 12:25:02 | linuxstb | Looks like the server needs some loving care and attention... |
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| 12:31:02 | daurnimator | JdGordon: so, you going to fed square or what? |
| 12:31:14 | JdGordon | hope not |
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| 12:45:15 | doktoreas | hi to all! |
| 12:46:24 | Everybody | wait |
| 12:46:28 | Everybody | damn why did that happen |
| 12:46:40 | Everybody| | sorry |
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| 12:46:44 | Everybody | :( |
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| 12:49:40 | doktoreas | are daily build offline? |
| 12:50:45 | Genre9mp3 | doktoreas: Something seems to be wrong atm, try a CVS build instead |
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| 12:53:38 | doktoreas | i discovered rockbox this morning |
| 12:55:07 | bluebrother | doktoreas, use a cvs build or go to http://download.rockbox.org/daily |
| 12:56:50 | doktoreas | bluebrother, thank you very much |
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| 13:00:10 | mucker | Hi I was thinking of buying a sansa c200 player. I was wondering if it is possible to port rockbox to it? |
| 13:01:04 | bluebrother | mucker, you're aware of the fact that porting Rockbox is a major task? |
| 13:01:24 | bluebrother | read the NewPorts wiki page for some information about porting |
| 13:01:32 | linuxstb | i.e. months of hard work... |
| 13:01:41 | Genre9mp3 | mucker: why not going for an e200 instead? |
| 13:02:19 | mucker | I'm interested in starting it as a hobby |
| 13:02:46 | mucker | i've got a working knowledge of C but don't have any knowledge of embededded programming |
| 13:02:55 | bluebrother | why not start working on Rockbox with an already working device? |
| 13:03:18 | bluebrother | the e200 series needs still work ... and the other ports also have room for improvements |
| 13:03:47 | doktoreas | sorry is this line ok for backup firmware? ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 13:03:56 | mucker | i already a h120 running on rockbox |
| 13:03:57 | doktoreas | or /media/IPOD ? |
| 13:04:02 | linuxstb | mucker: You should find out some things before trying a port - mainly what CPU is in the device, and how easy it will be to safely run your own code (i.e. is the firmware encrypted, is there a safe recovery method when your code crashes). |
| 13:04:22 | linuxstb | That will make the difference between a (relatively) easy and hard port. |
| 13:04:43 | doktoreas | df -h says that my ipod is here /dev/sda2 3.8G 2.1G 1.8G 54% /media/IPOD |
| 13:05:13 | linuxstb | The CPU needs to be supported by GCC, and it will be a great help if a datasheet is publically available. If there's no datasheet, you'll need to reverse-engineer the existing firmware. |
| 13:05:20 | mucker | I had did a search on it and found some system schematics which I'd assume come in handy with embedded programming? |
| 13:05:36 | bluebrother | doktoreas, while I don't know exactly as I don't own an ipod I guess you'll need to use the disk instead of the partition, i.e. /dev/sda |
| 13:05:37 | linuxstb | mucker: Yes. Does that list the major chips? |
| 13:05:48 | doktoreas | now fine sorry |
| 13:05:57 | doktoreas | i need to run by root |
| 13:06:07 | doktoreas | and so −−scan found the ipod |
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| 13:07:45 | mucker | i had did the search last night but unfortunately it was just the device dissasembbled |
| 13:07:49 | mucker | hears the link http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/11/sandisk-sansa-c200-disassembled.php |
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| 13:11:18 | doktoreas | lol it's blocked with an usb icon |
| 13:11:31 | doktoreas | is there any way to rset it? |
| 13:12:15 | linuxstb | mucker: I don't recognise any of those chips as being the CPU... |
| 13:13:23 | mickael___ | any way to make the ipod asking me what OS to run? |
| 13:13:56 | doktoreas | is there a way to reset it? |
| 13:13:58 | pixelma | doktoreas: using one of the latest daily builds? |
| 13:14:01 | mickael___ | doktoreas: try menu+select during some seconds, when it's blocked |
| 13:14:01 | doktoreas | yes |
| 13:14:29 | doktoreas | select? |
| 13:14:39 | linuxstb | mickael___: You could use the "loader2" bootloader written for the ipodlinux project. That gives you a boot menu. |
| 13:14:52 | linuxstb | (and also loads Rockbox). |
| 13:15:18 | doktoreas | ok rebooted |
| 13:15:37 | pixelma | hold menu+select (center button) to reboot (unplugged usb) - then when you see the apple while it's rebooting press select+play - then you'd have to install an older daily (27th worked here) |
| 13:15:44 | doktoreas | i see a menu with clanedar Contacts Notes and rockbox |
| 13:15:46 | mickael___ | linuxstb: i install the linuxipod boot loader, and put the rockbock files into the root directory of the ipod? |
| 13:15:50 | daurnimator | linuxstb: what are you thinking about the 402? |
| 13:15:56 | linuxstb | doktoreas: That's the file browser, not a menu. |
| 13:16:02 | doktoreas | if i select rockbox it bring me back to this |
| 13:16:06 | doktoreas | ahhhhhh |
| 13:16:11 | doktoreas | so i can put file in there? |
| 13:16:28 | daurnimator | i just haven't gone further for: 1, lack of time; 2, i can't brick it - i have no money, it has NO recovery things, one bad flash and its gone. |
| 13:17:07 | linuxstb | mickael___: Yes. |
| 13:17:30 | linuxstb | daurnimator: I haven't decided. I'm busy with mpegplayer at the moment. |
| 13:17:32 | mucker | linuxstb: thanks I've tried doing a web search for the device CPU but nothing has come up, I'll try a more thorough look later on or find a forum where I will get info |
| 13:18:10 | mickael___ | ok linuxstb, but i saw that the ipod nano is not officially supported by ipodlinux |
| 13:18:11 | daurnimator | mucker: why have you picker the c200? |
| 13:18:30 | linuxstb | Maybe start a thread in the Rockbox "New Ports" forum (if there isn't one already). If you post the link to that dissection article, maybe someone can help identify the components. |
| 13:18:59 | linuxstb | mickael___: IPL doesn't officially support anything newer than the third generation. But it works. |
| 13:19:12 | mickael___ | ok linuxstb thanks |
| 13:19:42 | mucker | mickael___ : nobody's done it which makes it a challenge and it's relitvely cheap |
| 13:20:23 | linuxstb | mucker: One thing you could do is to try and find a firmware upgrade file (if any exist), and examine it. |
| 13:20:39 | daurnimator | i don't know why anyone would buy a player with a hard limit of less than 4gb |
| 13:20:40 | linuxstb | That should give you a hint about how easy it will be to add your own code. |
| 13:23:37 | mickael___ | just another question : installing other os can damage my ipod, reduce its lifespan? |
| 13:24:24 | mickael___ | (without changing anything in the debug menu ;) |
| 13:24:37 | linuxstb | Any H300 users around who want to test mpegplayer with audio? |
| 13:24:51 | linuxstb | (or X5) |
| 13:24:59 | * | Genre9mp3 raises hand! :) |
| 13:25:09 | linuxstb | Which do you have? |
| 13:25:12 | Genre9mp3 | H300 |
| 13:26:26 | linuxstb | Firstly download one of the .mpg files in http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ - it's probably only worth trying the smaller one. |
| 13:27:23 | linuxstb | Do you want a rockbox.zip or a patch? |
| 13:27:38 | Genre9mp3 | patch please :) |
| 13:27:54 | linuxstb | OK, just don't look at the code... It's not yet presentable. :) |
| 13:28:13 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 13:31:01 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-v3.diff |
| 13:31:01 | * | Genre9mp3 has fired-up VMware and (can't) wait |
| 13:31:08 | Genre9mp3 | thanx! |
| 13:32:11 | linuxstb | That includes a lot of PortalPlayer-specific changes to Rockbox as well (the kernel-on-cop patch), but that shouldn't affect the h300 builds. |
| 13:33:50 | * | Genre9mp3 is compiling now |
| 13:34:42 | mucker | linuxstb: cheers, I'll have a look and try to find answers to your questions |
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| 13:41:19 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3; Still compiling? |
| 13:41:52 | Genre9mp3 | nope |
| 13:42:01 | Genre9mp3 | I'm listening to the videos... ;) |
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| 13:42:13 | linuxstb | I hate to ask, but at what FPS? |
| 13:42:47 | Angryman_H10 | If someone of the devs here has a little time and could register me to the wiki it wold be very appreciated ;-) |
| 13:42:47 | Genre9mp3 | 176x128 @ 14-15fps |
| 13:42:57 | linuxstb | I think I forgot to mention that it will probably crash, so you'll need to reset... |
| 13:43:13 | linuxstb | That's not too shabby. Have you downloaded the 224x176 mpg? |
| 13:43:19 | Genre9mp3 | though it already crashed twice with PANIC stkov main |
| 13:43:37 | webguest26 | hi can someone please say me how to delete my wiki/flyspray account? i don't feel comfortable anymore with my realname and emailadress there |
| 13:43:45 | Genre9mp3 | don't worry, I have pins around |
| 13:44:02 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: OK... Try increasing the stack size in line 180 of firmware/app.lds |
| 13:44:16 | linuxstb | Or maybe it's another problem... |
| 13:44:23 | Genre9mp3 | ok... let me test the 224x176 first |
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| 13:44:49 | linuxstb | Is the stkov error random, or appearing in the same place? |
| 13:45:01 | Genre9mp3 | 224x128 that is |
| 13:45:23 | Genre9mp3 | first time was earlier but I was pushing some buttons |
| 13:45:51 | linuxstb | Is the sound working perfectly, or are there any skips? |
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| 13:46:06 | Genre9mp3 | no skips |
| 13:46:39 | Genre9mp3 | sound... sounds perfect! :) |
| 13:47:22 | linuxstb | If you have chance, it would be interesting if you could test the .m2v versions of those .mpg files with the old mpegplayer and post the framerates you get for comparison. |
| 13:47:48 | Genre9mp3 | sure |
| 13:48:00 | Genre9mp3 | 224x128 @ around 11fps! :) |
| 13:48:21 | Genre9mp3 | and didn't crash till now |
| 13:48:54 | linuxstb | Can you try changing line 180 of firmare/app.lds to 0x2200 instead of 0x2400? |
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| 13:49:07 | linuxstb | That will reduce the stack size (it's 0x2000 in CVS). |
| 13:49:10 | Genre9mp3 | of course everything is out of sync, should I try with skip frames, too? |
| 13:49:38 | linuxstb | I think your random stackov crashes are caused by something else overwriting the stack - i.e. not a "real" stack overflow. |
| 13:50:08 | linuxstb | skip frames probably won't help. You'll need to encode a file with a lower framerate. |
| 13:50:24 | linuxstb | If you enable skip frames, it probably won't display any frames at all... |
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| 13:50:41 | JdGordon | did I read audio+vid in mpegplayer? |
| 13:50:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Indeed :) |
| 13:50:57 | Genre9mp3 | ok the second one (224x128) didn't crash... It played (the sound till the end)/ the video was still back) and then exited |
| 13:51:00 | JdGordon | awesome, wel done |
| 13:51:04 | linuxstb | Scroll back for the patch I gave Genre9mp3 |
| 13:51:16 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: what target are you testing on? |
| 13:51:22 | Genre9mp3 | H340 |
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| 13:51:45 | JdGordon | ok, ill grab my sisters nano and see wha happens |
| 13:51:45 | linuxstb | It can do almost 30fps full-screen with audio on the Nano... |
| 13:51:52 | JdGordon | nice |
| 13:52:08 | linuxstb | (making use of the COP for the video decoding) |
| 13:52:58 | JdGordon | actually, I cant get it |
| 13:53:03 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3; If you encode your own videos, make sure to resample the audio to 44.1KHz. It can be either mp2 or mp3, and multiplexed into an MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream. |
| 13:53:14 | JdGordon | 11fps is only slightly leess than the OF on h300 so well done |
| 13:53:42 | * | Genre9mp3 recompiles with 0x2200 |
| 13:53:43 | linuxstb | There are still mirak's optimisation patches in flyspray which haven't been applied yet, so it should do more. |
| 13:54:08 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Wouldn't these patches need updating? |
| 13:54:11 | linuxstb | Also, that test video has relatively high bitrate audio (170kbps lame-encoded VBR). |
| 13:54:33 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: What do you mean? |
| 13:54:38 | linuxstb | Oh, mirak's patches? |
| 13:54:41 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 13:55:08 | linuxstb | I've no idea... The ASM optimisations should still apply cleanly, but the IRAM patches may now conflict with libmad's use of IRAM. |
| 13:55:37 | Genre9mp3 | ok... I'll retry now with the change you've point to me |
| 13:56:34 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what to do about the stack size - whether it would be acceptable to increase Rockbox's main stack by 10%, or if I should dig into libmad to reduce its stack usage... |
| 13:58:43 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... I got a PANIC stkov dircache :/ |
| 13:58:52 | Genre9mp3 | while booting |
| 13:59:04 | linuxstb | That's odd... |
| 13:59:12 | linuxstb | You changed it to 0x2000 ? |
| 13:59:18 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 13:59:25 | linuxstb | I mean 0x2200? |
| 13:59:36 | Genre9mp3 | eer... yes... 0x2200 |
| 13:59:44 | Genre9mp3 | again... I can't boot |
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| 14:00:12 | Genre9mp3 | btw I've seen such reports in MisticRiver lately |
| 14:00:24 | Genre9mp3 | (Panic with dircache) |
| 14:00:40 | linuxstb | So maybe it's unrelated. |
| 14:00:58 | Genre9mp3 | never had it before... I managed to boot now with cleared settings |
| 14:01:01 | * | linuxstb wonders why there are so many reports on misticriver and not here... |
| 14:02:13 | Genre9mp3 | nope... again PANIC stkov while playing the 176x128 mpg |
| 14:02:44 | linuxstb | Can you try again and see if it happens in the same place. A "real" stkov should be repeatable. |
| 14:03:36 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... seems like it was in the same place |
| 14:03:44 | Genre9mp3 | I'll retry |
| 14:04:05 | linuxstb | OK, then you'll probably need to increase the stack size again. |
| 14:04:33 | Genre9mp3 | 3rd time in the same place |
| 14:04:49 | Genre9mp3 | so what I should test now? |
| 14:05:15 | linuxstb | Try 0x2300... |
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| 14:05:26 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
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| 14:06:33 | Genre9mp3 | btw... the original patch was at 2400 |
| 14:07:11 | Genre9mp3 | s/patch/value |
| 14:08:24 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50350 |
| 14:08:35 | Genre9mp3 | ^about the PANIC with dircache |
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| 14:11:56 | Genre9mp3 | with 0x2300: PANIC just right after finished buffering (the file didn't start) |
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| 14:12:06 | Genre9mp3 | I think it needs 0x2400+ |
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| 14:13:13 | Genre9mp3 | happened twice |
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| 14:13:56 | linuxstb | OK. 0x2100 seems to be enough on my ipod... |
| 14:13:56 | Genre9mp3 | should I try with 0x2500? |
| 14:14:20 | linuxstb | Why not. |
| 14:14:28 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 14:16:42 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: also, can you point me to mirak's patch. I want to try if it patches cleanly |
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| 14:17:47 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995 |
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| 14:19:42 | linuxstb | What does the original firmware on the H300 support for video? Is it 10fps? |
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| 14:20:41 | Genre9mp3 | 10fps MPEG4 (XVID) |
| 14:20:50 | Genre9mp3 | full screen |
| 14:21:33 | JdGordon | isnt it 15fps? |
| 14:21:42 | Genre9mp3 | nope.. 10fps |
| 14:24:06 | Genre9mp3 | no PANIC at 0x2500 so far :) |
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| 14:26:20 | JdGordon | if its just dircache stkovin can you just increase its stack size instead of the default_size define? |
| 14:26:32 | Genre9mp3 | 176x128 is stabilized at 14fps now :) |
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| 14:30:47 | Genre9mp3 | and 224x128 at 11.7fps |
| 14:30:56 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I'm impressed at the speed. I was expecting more of a slow-down, but I guess libmad is very well optimised for Coldfire, so it's not affecting video speed that significantly. |
| 14:31:15 | linuxstb | But I can't remember the old fps figures... |
| 14:31:46 | Genre9mp3 | Well I can try with a clean CVS build... just a moment |
| 14:32:00 | linuxstb | I'll try to encode some more versions of elephants dream at 12fps - that should work OK with frameskip enabled. |
| 14:32:53 | linuxstb | But my preferred mpeg encoded (mpeg2enc) refuses to encode at unofficial framerates, so I'll have to use mencoder/ffmpeg. |
| 14:32:59 | linuxstb | s/encoded/encoder/ |
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| 14:38:12 | Genre9mp3 | with CVS build and 224x128 (no sound) I get: 18.8fps instead of 11.7fps (with sound) |
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| 14:39:22 | fleytin | Since new folks arrived here I will repeat my question. (sorry for bothering others). Has anyone succesfully compiled rockbox with the patch 6331 applied? |
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| 14:42:33 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: mirak's patch has also an idct.c file, do you know where I have to place it? |
| 14:43:06 | linuxstb | In apps/plugins/mpegplayer/ I would guess. |
| 14:44:16 | linuxstb | And thanks for the "old" fps value. So it looks like audio decoding is about 35% of CPU. |
| 14:44:22 | Genre9mp3 | hmm.. it already exists |
| 14:45:26 | linuxstb | Odd.. Try just replacing it then. |
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| 14:49:41 | Genre9mp3 | I'll first try without replacing it... (he doesn't mentions anything about it though in the tracker) |
| 14:50:06 | linuxstb | Does the diff itself include changes to idct.c? |
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| 14:50:19 | Genre9mp3 | yes... that's why I found it a bit odd |
| 14:50:34 | linuxstb | Have you done a diff between the patched idct.c and the one on the tracker? |
| 14:50:55 | Genre9mp3 | nope, not yet |
| 14:51:16 | Genre9mp3 | All I know is that the one in the tracker is slightly smaller |
| 14:51:41 | linuxstb | Hopefully mirak will see the progress with mpegplayer and come back to work... |
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| 14:59:44 | Genre9mp3 | ok with mirak's patch I get, 176x128 with sound: 18.4fps instead of 14fps and 224x128 with sound: 15.1fps instead of 11.7fps |
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| 15:00:24 | linuxstb | Nice... |
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| 15:02:17 | linuxstb | So it should be beating iriver's player with full-screen video. |
| 15:03:22 | muesli- | 18fps on iriver with sound? thats neat! |
| 15:03:36 | linuxstb | Not full-screen though... |
| 15:03:36 | Genre9mp3 | yes... I think we are already ahead on this :) |
| 15:03:45 | muesli- | wohoo :) |
| 15:03:51 | daurnimator | oh |
| 15:03:56 | daurnimator | linuxstb |
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| 15:04:00 | muesli- | at what audio bitrate btw? |
| 15:04:19 | linuxstb | That's a 170kbps Stereo 44.1kbps lame-encoded VBR MP3. |
| 15:04:22 | daurnimator | DYN, 402 can play back 30fps divx/xvid at up to 720x576 nativly |
| 15:04:24 | daurnimator | with no lag |
| 15:04:30 | daurnimator | looks awesome - scaling is great |
| 15:04:47 | linuxstb | daurnimator: That's too easy... :) |
| 15:04:52 | muesli- | mmh..wud decreasing to ie 128k fix increase fps? |
| 15:04:56 | linuxstb | it's more fun doing video on players with no power... |
| 15:05:02 | muesli- | lol |
| 15:05:05 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: btw, when I do "open with..." mpegplayer, it takes me to mpegplayers menu and doesn't try to directly play the movie |
| 15:05:31 | daurnimator | linuxstb: oh, you will |
| 15:05:32 | daurnimator | it uses the dsp |
| 15:05:34 | Genre9mp3 | while If I select an .m2v file it plays it immediately |
| 15:05:34 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes, that's a temporary fix because the menu no longer works in the video player itself. So it shows the menu at the start to allow you to change settings. |
| 15:05:42 | daurnimator | which - unless we steal closed code from neuros |
| 15:05:47 | daurnimator | we can't use for video decoding |
| 15:06:00 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Ah ok.... good to know that |
| 15:06:22 | Genre9mp3 | and I noticed that I couldn't go to the menu when playing so this explains it |
| 15:06:22 | muesli- | Genre9mp3 wud decreasing audio bitrate to ie 128k fix increase fps? |
| 15:06:41 | Genre9mp3 | muesli-: haven't tried... probably a little |
| 15:06:54 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Sounds similar to the ipod 5g's Broadcom chip. We could run the Apple firmware on the broadcom chip and try to communicate with that, but that kind of thing isn't really satisfactory. |
| 15:07:02 | daurnimator | you will most likely end up just having an arm9 @ between 81 & 180mhz |
| 15:07:13 | muesli- | i mean sound quality isnt that important in movies (if you ask me) |
| 15:07:29 | daurnimator | but, we still can do scaling ;) |
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| 15:07:50 | daurnimator | theres a chip on dm320 just for scaling |
| 15:07:58 | linuxstb | muesli: mpegplayer uses libmad, so it will play any audio libmad accepts. Main limitation is that (at the moment) it needs to be 44.1Khz. But it should be relatively easy to support 22.050KHz if there's a demand. |
| 15:08:04 | muesli- | goin down to lower bitrate and earning higher fps its a neat compromise imho |
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| 15:08:32 | linuxstb | muesli: The choice is yours - get encoding... |
| 15:08:37 | muesli- | ;) |
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| 15:28:07 | Craig_ | i'm having some trouble installing rockbox on 30gb ipod video - i get the "model name in input file <ctyp> doesn't match ipod model <ipvd> error |
| 15:28:12 | Craig_ | can anyone help? |
| 15:28:56 | linuxstb | What is the command-line you typed? |
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| 15:29:57 | Craig_ | ipodpatcher 3 (my device name) -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
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| 15:30:28 | Craig_ | basically exactly what is detailed in the manual |
| 15:30:50 | linuxstb | Where did you get the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file from, and how big (in bytes) is it? |
| 15:31:18 | Craig_ | its a kilobyte and i got it off the downloads section from the link in the manual |
| 15:31:43 | linuxstb | Try downloading it again. It looks like a bad download. |
| 15:31:54 | Craig_ | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod%20video.ipod |
| 15:32:03 | linuxstb | There's no %20 in the URL... |
| 15:32:16 | Craig_ | i have already downloaded again, and no i realise that it's just the way i copied the link |
| 15:32:51 | Craig_ | well actually, when i click through from this page in the manual it says not found http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 15:32:53 | linuxstb | Just delete the %20, and that should work. |
| 15:33:00 | Craig_ | so i right clicked and save target |
| 15:33:05 | Craig_ | well, save link |
| 15:33:12 | linuxstb | That would just save the "not found" message... |
| 15:33:56 | Craig_ | do you know what the problem is then? i thought it was a server problem at first but it's been that way for ages |
| 15:33:59 | linuxstb | But yes, there's a bug in the manual inserting that extra space. |
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| 15:34:15 | linuxstb | Craig_: I've told you twice :) Remove the %20 from the URL. |
| 15:34:34 | Craig_ | got it - sorru |
| 15:34:41 | Craig_ | sorry* |
| 15:34:42 | Craig_ | thanks :_) |
| 15:34:44 | linuxstb | no problem. |
| 15:35:07 | Craig_ | thats more like it - 59kb! |
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| 15:35:55 | Craig_ | done! thanks again |
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| 15:45:22 | linuxstb | Here's a 12fps version of ED for the H300: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps.mpg |
| 15:45:37 | linuxstb | (full-screen 4:3 version). |
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| 15:52:02 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb I got 9.6fps with that file |
| 15:53:59 | Juice^ | will be so nice when there is sound on the sansa e200 =D im running the different plugins to test it out now |
| 15:54:49 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: And If I don't messed up with the builds this is with the mirak's optimisations, too |
| 15:54:59 | Juice^ | starfield is quite nice. lol |
| 15:56:43 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I probably need to try and fine-tune ffmpeg's encoding settings - it seems to generate harder-to-decode files than mpeg2enc. |
| 15:56:59 | linuxstb | Maybe it's B-frames, I don't think mpeg2enc uses them by default. |
| 15:57:44 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: It's with the mirak's optimisation patch. Just confirmed it |
| 15:57:54 | linuxstb | Hmm... Then time to read the mencoder manpage. |
| 15:58:02 | Genre9mp3 | but the video is full screen anyway |
| 15:58:08 | linuxstb | Have you tried encoding anything yourself? |
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| 15:58:24 | Genre9mp3 | 224x176 and not 224x128 |
| 15:58:38 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: No I didn't |
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| 16:00:33 | Juice^ | hehe... i found a bug in the pong game on sansa, not sure if its on every player, but i got the ball captured all down on the right corner just staying there going up and down for ever |
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| 16:01:48 | linuxstb | Seems mencoder doesn't use b-frames by default either... |
| 16:02:29 | linuxstb | I'll try reducing the number of I-frames... |
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| 16:07:30 | Soap | I start creating a whole mess of mpeg files with varied settings in a bit. It appears RMAA has fugged up my sound card drivers, I need to get that sorted out. |
| 16:07:41 | Soap | I'll |
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| 16:08:37 | linuxstb | Do you have a freely-distributable video to encode? It would be nice to make more files available on download.rockbox.org to measure optimisation improvements. |
| 16:10:14 | Soap | I'll use something open. |
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| 16:14:48 | Soap | is there a link to the subset of elephants dream used |
| 16:14:50 | Soap | ? |
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| 16:20:25 | Soap | or am I mistaken and you all have been encoding the full film? |
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| 16:33:47 | yossa | what is the difference of adding an EXAMPLE_ACTION_PRE BUTTON1 before actual EXAMPLE_ACTION ( BUTTON1 | BUTTON2 ) sequence in button configuration versus not adding that line? |
| 16:34:59 | daurnimator | what are the cmd line progs for musepack? |
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| 16:53:09 | pixelma | yossa: I _think_ with the "pre" it will be possible to hold the button1 first and then press button2 additionally - without it the user has to press the two buttons at the same time (I'm not completely sure) |
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| 16:54:22 | bluet | where can i get the fonts? |
| 16:54:58 | yossa | pixelma: I thought so too - thing is, it appears to be working like you described it would be with "pre" even if the line's not there. Oh well... testing, testing, testing |
| 16:55:59 | bluet | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts am i supposed to get the fonts from this page? |
| 16:57:22 | Kingsqueak | bluet: the install instructions in the manual section for your player should have a link to the fonts |
| 16:57:42 | bluet | they all link to that page |
| 16:57:44 | Kingsqueak | bluet: you just unzip them in the root of the player's drive most likely, but that may change player to player |
| 16:57:47 | Kingsqueak | ah |
| 16:57:58 | pixelma | the dailies (also fonts) are broken at the moment, try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 16:58:22 | bluet | thanks |
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| 16:59:43 | bluet | should i go with cvs or use daily builds for an iriver h10 6 GB MTU? |
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| 17:01:16 | bluet | and is the h10_5gb for the 5 GB version only or also the 6 GB version? |
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| 17:07:52 | Juice^ | im amazed.... rockbox and viewing images :D it wops the originals firmware's ass so much. you couldnt zoom or view large images on the sansa |
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| 17:10:34 | linuxstb | Soap: I've been encoding the full film. It's not that long... |
| 17:10:46 | Soap | can do |
| 17:11:00 | linuxstb | I've been using the high-definition version (i.e. the highest quality available). |
| 17:11:16 | ElPenguin | rockbox seems from the site to be so much better than ipodlinux. that thing was a sham really, considering the linux based installer didn't work. the irony... |
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| 17:11:18 | Soap | I'll start encoding w/various variables and make a .torrent if I can figure out how. |
| 17:11:26 | Soap | ahh, I downloaded the 1024 version. |
| 17:11:30 | Soap | can change. |
| 17:11:50 | linuxstb | I doubt the difference would be noticable when resizing down to our targets... |
| 17:12:11 | Soap | that's what I was thinking, since we are well over the 2:1 ratio |
| 17:12:25 | Soap | and this computer is slow enough as it is. |
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| 17:16:33 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: You're preaching to the converted :) But don't forget that without ipodlinux, Rockbox wouldn't be running on the ipods (we used their knowledge to port Rockbox). |
| 17:17:16 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: yeah. i found rockbox purely by accident. never got ipodlinux running because their documentation for manual install was so sparse and their linux installer sucked. |
| 17:17:20 | linuxstb | Soap: What encoder(s) are you trying? |
| 17:17:58 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: is iRony worth an attempt or should i just go for a manual install? |
| 17:18:02 | Soap | I'm going to use TMPGEnc because I'm familiar enough with it to take full control over ever aspect of the mpg stream. |
| 17:18:33 | linuxstb | OK. I'll be interested to compare the output with mpeg2enc. |
| 17:18:46 | Soap | if I find a great balance of quality/size/speed it shouldn't be hard to dupluicate the settings with another program. |
| 17:19:08 | Soap | but it will be easier (for me) to find said settings with a program I am very comfortable with. |
| 17:19:14 | linuxstb | Does TMPGEnc transcode from all the common formats? |
| 17:19:35 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: I don't even know what iRony is. |
| 17:19:36 | Soap | Windows has the advantage of being able to take anything as input you have a directshow filter for. |
| 17:19:53 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: some rockbox installer by mako.cc |
| 17:20:13 | linuxstb | Then no. I wouldn't trust any unofficial Rockbox installers - do the manual way. |
| 17:20:18 | Soap | so, TMPGEnc (in theory) can transcode anything you can play. |
| 17:20:21 | ElPenguin | okay |
| 17:20:22 | ElPenguin | ta |
| 17:20:31 | linuxstb | The new instructions are just a couple of commands, so if you're happy in the terminal, it's a breeze. |
| 17:20:40 | Soap | and anything it has problems with can be frame-served by a better front end. |
| 17:20:59 | ElPenguin | i'm happy in the terminal :) i'll do that |
| 17:21:37 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: how bleeding is the bleeding edge? i'm unfamiliar with the state rockbox devs commit code in |
| 17:22:11 | thegeek | not a bloody stump, but it can be raw;P |
| 17:22:17 | linuxstb | The bleeding edge build is what is generally recommended to use. So developers shouldn't break it... |
| 17:22:28 | ElPenguin | it's generally recommended? hrm... |
| 17:22:30 | Juice^ | I wish i could help to get themes up running for the sansa |
| 17:22:57 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: For the ipods, I would say IT IS RECOMMENDED. |
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| 17:23:15 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: surely not that much code gets committed in a day over the christmas season? |
| 17:23:17 | linuxstb | For the older Archos targets, there is the stable v2.5 release, which people may prefer. |
| 17:23:32 | ElPenguin | oh, there are no dailies... |
| 17:23:50 | linuxstb | The dailies have no special status, it's just the bleeding edge build at a certain time of day. |
| 17:24:09 | linuxstb | The difference is that they are archived for 30 days. |
| 17:24:48 | linuxstb | And yes, for some reason the dailies didn't appear to work last night... |
| 17:25:25 | ElPenguin | if i wanted to compile from source would i have to set up a new arm toolchain? |
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| 17:25:57 | linuxstb | Yes. There's a script in the tools/ directory in the source to do that for you (rockboxdev.sh). It downloads the gcc and binutils source and compiles it. |
| 17:26:18 | ElPenguin | hrm, tempting |
| 17:27:10 | linuxstb | Are you planning on coding? |
| 17:27:19 | ElPenguin | it depends on how much i like rb ;) |
| 17:27:45 | linuxstb | If you don't like it, there's more coding to do... |
| 17:27:48 | nls_web | heh |
| 17:27:48 | pixelma | linuxstb: and the last one's seem to have problems (at least ipod mini 2nd gen of 28th/29th - it didn't automatically reboot into disk mode - though everything works as expected when I compiled my own from an updated source...) |
| 17:28:18 | linuxstb | pixelma: I hate bugs like that... |
| 17:29:38 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: where can i grab the fonts from if there are no dailies? |
| 17:30:36 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 17:30:36 | pixelma | ElPenguin: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 17:30:45 | pixelma | haha |
| 17:30:49 | linuxstb | Either of those places... |
| 17:31:55 | Coldtoast | the gapless on teh 5.5G ipod is neat |
| 17:32:05 | Coldtoast | the Apple firmware gapless |
| 17:33:53 | Soap | pseudo gapless on apple. |
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| 17:35:19 | Coldtoast | if the switch from one track to another is seamless, how is that pseudo? |
| 17:35:33 | Coldtoast | there are no gaps=gapless |
| 17:35:50 | linuxstb | Why only on the 5.5G though, and not every ipod? |
| 17:36:03 | linuxstb | They all have the same CPU... |
| 17:36:03 | mdke | hi there. the helpful people in here yesterday pointed me towards a cpufreq3 patch to try and see if it stops my ipod 1st gen mini from crashing. It has worked ok, but now the ipod is getting low on battery I'm seeing regular crashes. Is there some way I can help by giving a bug report/trace or something? |
| 17:36:03 | Coldtoast | don't care how it's done. if I hear no gap, it's gapless. heh |
| 17:36:17 | Soap | because a-"gapless playback" has a specific definition which apples implementation does not do. B-Apple's guesstimation fails on some albums. |
| 17:36:17 | ElPenguin | pixelma: ta |
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| 17:38:41 | thunderwolf318 | at the dailybuilds page i dont see anything besites a header and after it says "Daily Builds" in big black letters the page is blank |
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| 17:39:09 | linuxstb | thunderwolf318: Just use a bleeding edge build, or see if it's fixed tomorrow. |
| 17:39:21 | Soap | ya, thunderwolf318, it seems to be borked at this time, and linuxstb beat me, |
| 17:39:26 | thunderwolf318 | i need the font package first |
| 17:39:31 | * | linuxstb looks around for an op to change the topic. |
| 17:39:34 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 17:39:40 | thunderwolf318 | thanks |
| 17:40:09 | Coldtoast | with vid playback, there's about as much chance of rb supporting h.264 as there is of it supporting wma right? |
| 17:40:17 | Coldtoast | i.e. not going to happen? |
| 17:40:29 | linuxstb | Coldtoast: Whatever people choose to work on will happen... |
| 17:40:30 | mdke | anyone |
| 17:40:33 | mdke | ? |
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| 17:41:31 | linuxstb | mdke: You could post your findings as a comment to that patch on the patch tracker. I can't offer anything in the way of a solution though.... |
| 17:42:00 | mdke | linuxstb: ok. My findings so far as limited to "it crashes" though... I'd like to be of a bit more use |
| 17:42:04 | mdke | s/as/are |
| 17:43:07 | linuxstb | Describe what happens in detail. What do you mean by "crash"? i.e. does Rockbox freeze and become unresponsive, or is an error displayed? What are you doing when it crashes? |
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| 17:43:28 | linuxstb | Can you provide a reliable recipe to recreate it? |
| 17:43:54 | linuxstb | The most important thing is for a developer to be able to recreate the bug, otherwise he/she can't attempt to fix it. |
| 17:44:31 | mdke | linuxstb: it makes a pop sound and turns off. It happens every time I try to play a song and am low on battery, I think |
| 17:45:10 | linuxstb | That's sounds like normal low-battery behaviour. |
| 17:45:10 | Soap | that sounds like a battery which drops voltage under load. |
| 17:45:27 | mdke | oh. |
| 17:45:36 | mdke | I would have expected some kind of message when the thing is out of battery |
| 17:45:56 | mdke | glad it's not a crash then, anyway :) |
| 17:45:56 | linuxstb | No, Rockbox doesn't shutdown on low battery, but your ipod does. |
| 17:46:00 | Soap | as in the hard drive spins to load up the song, and a battery which measures 3.3 volts with no load all of a sudden measures 3.0 volts when load is applied. |
| 17:46:22 | maxkelley | say, how do I setup a rockbox dev environment on linux? |
| 17:46:44 | mdke | linuxstb: with the Apple firmware, I get a little picture that tells me the battery is out, so I expected something similar with Rockbox. There is nothing like that? |
| 17:46:46 | linuxstb | 1) Download the Rockbox source; 2) cd tools ; 3) ./rockboxdev.sh; 4) wait... |
| 17:47:11 | maxkelley | ah, ok :) thank you, linuxstb |
| 17:48:12 | linuxstb | mdke: Not as far as I know. |
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| 17:48:43 | mdke | oh right. There seems to be enough battery for me to play songs with the Apple firmware, maybe it cuts out slightly later than rockbox |
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| 17:49:13 | mdke | oh, it's pretty low. Fine! |
| 17:49:20 | linuxstb | Rockbox is known to use more power than the Apple firmware, but I'm surprised the Apple firmware can play music when Rockbox can't. |
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| 17:50:47 | maxkelley | hehe |
| 17:51:11 | ElPenguin | yay, music moving back over to pc so i can install rb |
| 17:51:19 | mdke | linuxstb: thanks for your help |
| 17:51:30 | linuxstb | You're welcom. |
| 17:51:32 | linuxstb | ^e |
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| 18:04:03 | miso91 | On the last step of the new bootloader's setup, I get the error that says "−−add-bootloader failed." |
| 18:04:11 | miso91 | Any explanation to that? |
| 18:05:31 | miso91 | I'm using Windows on an iPod Nano 1st gen |
| 18:05:40 | miso91 | with* |
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| 18:11:26 | miso91 | nvm |
| 18:11:29 | miso91 | fixed |
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| 18:15:04 | Juice^ | any sansa people here? |
| 18:15:17 | Soap | linuxstb: which ipod target do you have? |
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| 18:36:14 | muesll | test |
| 18:36:51 | Soap | fail |
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| 18:37:13 | PaulPosition | Ooohhh, I said it yesterday but I love crossfeed! Thanks to whomever is responsible for its inclusion in Rockbox. I'm just, like, re-visiting my "woohoo stereo!" 70s' records.. Vangelis' Spiral sounds unreal. |
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| 18:43:06 | Vyrus001 | does rockbox support video in the x5's ? |
| 18:43:41 | Genre9mp3 | Vyrus001: Yes and soon with sound |
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| 18:44:51 | bro2baseball | i have a question for a dev |
| 18:44:57 | bro2baseball | i'm using cygwin for the first time |
| 18:45:12 | bro2baseball | and i downloaded the cvs, how do i get into the cvs folder |
| 18:45:20 | bro2baseball | to add patches |
| 18:45:39 | Vyrus001 | Genre9mp3, oh ? i didnt see anything poste din the docs |
| 18:45:50 | Vyrus001 | what formats does it wok with...? |
| 18:46:06 | nls_web | mpeg 1 and 2 |
| 18:46:19 | Vyrus001 | hm... i tried copin a vob and it didnt work ? |
| 18:46:42 | bro2baseball | did you use the converter on the wiki page?? |
| 18:47:05 | nls_web | Vyrus001: it's not in an official build yet, the included plugin mpegplayer can only play video streams without sound |
| 18:47:59 | PaulPosition | bro2baseball: In shell, you just type 'cd foldername' ... 'cd ..' to go back up one level. That's pretty basic stuff.. 'mkdir foldername' to create a new dir.. |
| 18:48:41 | Vyrus001 | hm |
| 18:49:02 | Vyrus001 | musta missed where thats coverd |
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| 18:57:51 | Juice^ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy : the link at the bottom thats supposed to link for free legal gb roms is dead. what about linking to this one? http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=gb |
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| 18:59:25 | Soap | dang, Yar's Revenge! |
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| 19:00:00 | Soap | I don't see how all of those are "clean" in a copyright sense. |
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| 19:00:32 | Soap | Ultima III is the one which catches my eye. Maybe they don't mean "port" but "clone"? |
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| 19:01:25 | Juice^ | probably clone |
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| 19:04:43 | maxkelley | Juice^: sansa.. what model? |
| 19:07:38 | Juice^ | e200 |
| 19:07:48 | Juice^ | e270 to be exact |
| 19:08:05 | Juice^ | was just playing chess on it |
| 19:08:08 | Juice^ | :) |
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| 19:10:05 | Juice^ | looks like doom needs some keys remapped |
| 19:11:06 | nls_web | ther's a patch for that in the tracker |
| 19:12:08 | Juice^ | ok |
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| 19:12:21 | Juice^ | i need to recompile it then right |
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| 19:24:42 | linuxstb | Soap: I have both a Photo and Video. |
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| 19:25:17 | Soap | when playing photo-sized videos on my 5thGen, the FPS display is cut in half. |
| 19:25:26 | Soap | I'm trying to get a picture uploaded so I can show you. |
| 19:26:21 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: A version of ED encoded at 12fps with I-Frames every 100 frames is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps-v2.mpg |
| 19:26:28 | linuxstb | Soap: I guess you're not using the system font? |
| 19:26:52 | linuxstb | The lcd_update_rect() is hardcoded to assume the system font... |
| 19:27:25 | Soap | ok |
| 19:27:28 | Soap | duh |
| 19:28:18 | nls_web | maybe put rb->lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED); somewhere? |
| 19:28:43 | linuxstb | Do I need to restore the user's font? |
| 19:29:00 | nls_web | don't think so |
| 19:29:17 | linuxstb | I'll check plugin.c to see what it does when the plugin returns. |
| 19:30:17 | linuxstb | It seems plugin.c does nothing with the fonts, so I should restore. |
| 19:30:19 | Soap | I should have a stack of 4thGen sized movies ready by tomorrow, but at 100mins each, it will take me a while. Thank god for batch encoding. |
| 19:31:01 | linuxstb | It takes 100 minutes to encode, or that's how long the movie is? |
| 19:31:15 | Soap | it takes 100 mins to encode on this machine. |
| 19:32:13 | linuxstb | Is the version of TMPGEnc that you're using free? |
| 19:32:26 | Soap | free for MPEG1 |
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| 19:32:59 | Soap | not for MPEG2 |
| 19:33:06 | linuxstb | What are you using? |
| 19:33:09 | Soap | which is why I'm running it on this old machine. |
| 19:33:28 | Soap | I'm running the paid version. |
| 19:33:38 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: ok, I'll test it know |
| 19:33:49 | linuxstb | Are you encoding both MPEG1 and MPEG2 samples? |
| 19:33:52 | Soap | yes |
| 19:34:29 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I suppose that I should get around 11fps since I get 15fps with 224x128 |
| 19:34:46 | Soap | my suspicion is that at such small sizes mpeg2 won't offer much. |
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| 19:35:26 | linuxstb | I don't know what the differences are... |
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| 19:38:14 | Genre9mp3 | 9.6fps exactly the same as previous IIRC |
| 19:39:08 | linuxstb | OK, I'll convert the old 224x176 (24fps) mpeg2enc version to .mpg - it would be interesting to see what that gets. |
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| 19:46:44 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I use the batch file for VLC to create videos, how do I alter it to multiplex sound? |
| 19:47:50 | dionoea | #transcode{vcodec=......,acodec=mp3,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=thefilename.mpg} |
| 19:48:14 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: thanks |
| 19:48:25 | jeffb | transcode is awesome |
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| 19:54:27 | linuxstb | You also need to ensure the audio is 44.1KHz. |
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| 19:58:20 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: The 24fps (mpeg2enc-encoded) 224x176 version: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg |
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| 19:59:20 | bluet | does rockbox support ums? |
| 19:59:29 | Genre9mp3 | doh! VLC doesn't recognize paths with greek chars (like "Desktop in Greek" on Greek Windows XP) - that's it didn't work |
| 19:59:33 | Genre9mp3 | that's why |
| 19:59:41 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: ok |
| 19:59:47 | markun | bluet: nothing else |
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| 20:00:14 | linuxstb | bluet: All the targets Rockbox works on have hardware ums. |
| 20:00:36 | bluet | dmesg doesn't show anything when i plug in my h10 |
| 20:00:46 | bluet | while it runs rockbox, that is |
| 20:01:05 | linuxstb | Ah, the H10s may be different... But it's a feature of the H10, not Rockbox as such. |
| 20:01:30 | bluet | okay |
| 20:01:37 | * | linuxstb looks around for someone that knows about the H10 |
| 20:01:41 | bluet | at least it reboots pretty fast :) |
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| 20:01:59 | markun | bluet: you probably have to wait till rockbox has a USB stack |
| 20:02:49 | bluet | will it have one? |
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| 20:07:23 | mechanori | should i be using the daily build for a fourth generation ipod? |
| 20:08:16 | mechanori | also, can i revert to the original firmware after the installation? |
| 20:08:32 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: 10.9fps |
| 20:08:37 | nls_web | that or cvs, or an official with a patch that may fix the freezing issues |
| 20:09:12 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: btw, all these results are with mirak's patch, too |
| 20:09:12 | nls_web | mechanori: and yes, toggle hold on startup to get to the original firmware |
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| 20:11:06 | poddy | anyone know if it's possible to change the font size for the rockbox file browser? i've just installed it and can't work out how |
| 20:11:32 | Genre9mp3 | poddy: Have you installed the fonts pack as well? |
| 20:11:52 | poddy | no - will that allow me to change size of main menu? |
| 20:12:30 | Genre9mp3 | change th font, yes |
| 20:12:48 | Genre9mp3 | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061129.zip |
| 20:13:34 | poddy | :-) |
| 20:13:55 | nls_web | poddy: the manual is recomended |
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| 20:14:43 | poddy | i've never been one for manuals :-P think i might take note though and go and read it. thanks |
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| 20:24:35 | Dunkelschub | Excuse me, could anyone tell me where I could download the bootloader for the Gigabeat? |
| 20:24:52 | markun | Dunkelschub: come to #gigabeat |
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| 20:26:25 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: 10.9fps is a little more respectable... We definitely need mirak's patches though... |
| 20:26:31 | linuxstb | (and more) |
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| 20:27:56 | markun | (aka karim) |
| 20:28:02 | mechanori | is the video patch going to appear soon? |
| 20:28:04 | mechanori | i'm excited |
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| 20:29:00 | linuxstb | The patch is already available. It's not ready for CVS yet though. |
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| 20:31:02 | bro2baseball | I have a question about patching: I downloaded the cvs and modified it, how can i create a patch from that? (I'm in cygwin) |
| 20:31:25 | nls_web | bro2baseball: did you check out cvs? |
| 20:31:37 | bro2baseball | i believe so... |
| 20:31:41 | bro2baseball | how would i know |
| 20:31:42 | bro2baseball | ? |
| 20:31:53 | linuxstb | Did you type "cvs co ....." or download the .tar.bz2 file? |
| 20:32:09 | nls_web | anyway, look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches |
| 20:32:24 | bro2baseball | yes i've been looking at that for the last hour |
| 20:32:24 | bro2baseball | :) |
| 20:32:53 | bro2baseball | i'm pretty sure i've checked it out |
| 20:33:06 | linuxstb | Using the "cvs" command? |
| 20:33:33 | bro2baseball | well i did" cvs -z3 -d:pserve"r ect |
| 20:33:33 | bro2baseball | is that it? |
| 20:33:39 | linuxstb | Easy way to check is if you have lots of folders called "CVS" in all the source folders. |
| 20:33:46 | bro2baseball | yep i do |
| 20:34:03 | bro2baseball | i'm sure of that |
| 20:34:16 | bro2baseball | on the wiki it says |
| 20:34:17 | bro2baseball | diff -u oldfile newfile > patch |
| 20:34:23 | linuxstb | From the rockbox-devel directory, just type "cvs diff -u > mypatch.diff" |
| 20:34:23 | bro2baseball | to create a diff file |
| 20:34:27 | bro2baseball | alright |
| 20:34:39 | bro2baseball | i'l try that |
| 20:34:59 | linuxstb | You can then look at that file in a text editor, and see if it reflects the changes you made. |
| 20:35:41 | bro2baseball | yes! it worked |
| 20:35:44 | bro2baseball | thanks a lot |
| 20:36:28 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Is mirak's patch for any reason not acceptable in CVS or something? |
| 20:36:36 | Genre9mp3 | or it just needs some more work? |
| 20:37:03 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: My understanding is that it's messy. |
| 20:37:43 | linuxstb | I haven't looked at it, but yes, "messy" is I think how amiconn described it when he did. |
| 20:38:37 | linuxstb | I think it was hard to separate the important and non-important changes. |
| 20:40:39 | Genre9mp3 | I see... |
| 20:41:08 | bro2baseball | when i make the build in cygwin i get "arm-elf-gcc: no such file or directory" |
| 20:41:18 | bro2baseball | did i install cygwin incorrectly |
| 20:41:18 | bro2baseball | ? |
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| 20:43:31 | bro2baseball | i followed the directions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 20:44:24 | bluebrother | bro2baseball, your cygwin installation is either missing the compiler or it's not in the path |
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| 20:44:29 | Soap | Llorean: semantincs. He never did answer if he could boot apple firmware. Your suspicion he hosed his first partition is most likely correct. The Rockbox bootloader is just fine though, is it not? |
| 20:44:57 | karim | Genre9mp3, you implemented sound ? |
| 20:45:16 | Llorean | Soap: Yes, as I said in the thread, it should still function fine for loading Rockbox. I did say that? Or did I forget to type it? |
| 20:45:54 | * | Genre9mp3 points to linuxstb |
| 20:46:05 | Soap | You said that, but you also said that "it's not afterall installed correctly" |
| 20:46:43 | Genre9mp3 | Also barrywardell dan_a, lostlogic for PP targets |
| 20:49:32 | Llorean | Soap: Well, it's not a correct installation if it doesn't work wholly my my standard, but I guess my phrasing could've been a bit less literal. :-p |
| 20:49:55 | Soap | and mine could have been a bit more verbose. |
| 20:50:25 | Llorean | Soap: I was worried that they'd expect to be able to boot Apple_OS the manual way after getting Rockbox running. |
| 20:51:06 | Soap | yea, your preemptive strike was probably the better way to go. |
| 20:51:10 | karim | linuxstb, there are not much changes, only the idct block is extended to 128 byte instead of 64, the struct is put into iram. also, and hem just idct.c have some function in assembly. |
| 20:51:39 | karim | but you can ask me later |
| 20:53:54 | linuxstb | karim: I can't really comment on your patch, but amiconn mentioned he had looked had it. |
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| 20:54:42 | linuxstb | But yes, check today's IRC logs - I've posted a patch with a first implementation of sound. It also incorporates Wett's .mpg parser patch which is on flyspray. |
| 20:55:29 | karim | cool |
| 20:55:32 | linuxstb | So it would be great if we could commit your optimisations. |
| 20:56:00 | karim | someone tried to create .S files but it crashes I think |
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| 21:12:19 | haiyai | Hi all |
| 21:12:39 | haiyai | I need a little help |
| 21:13:23 | Soap | ask away |
| 21:14:02 | haiyai | I stupidly changed my font and backround color to same |
| 21:14:09 | haiyai | now i cant see |
| 21:14:16 | haiyai | to change |
| 21:14:30 | Soap | do you have the new bootloader or the older bootloader? |
| 21:14:34 | bluebrother | reset your settings while booting. The key combo depends on the player ... |
| 21:14:54 | * | Soap stupidly assumes iPod again. |
| 21:15:25 | haiyai | I have a gigabeat |
| 21:16:04 | haiyai | I think new bootloader |
| 21:16:31 | bluebrother | no idea which the key for resetting the settings is. You could of course simply reboot and try pressing a key until the settings get resetted :) |
| 21:16:53 | Dunkelschub | you could try asking in the #gigabeat channel |
| 21:17:19 | bluebrother | the new vs. old bootloader is only for ipods as there were some changes recently |
| 21:17:28 | haiyai | ok |
| 21:17:36 | bluebrother | markun should also know |
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| 21:18:16 | Dunkelschub | use /join #gigabeat |
| 21:18:22 | bluebrother | slash goes first ;-) |
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| 21:22:43 | Soap | wow, encoder makes a sizable difference in mpeg playback. |
| 21:23:23 | Llorean | Comparison? |
| 21:23:34 | Soap | my first encode runs only 90% of the speed of the one from download.rockbox.org |
| 21:23:55 | Llorean | What'd you use? |
| 21:23:59 | Soap | TMPEGenc |
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| 21:24:33 | Llorean | I know linuxstb said ffmpeg encodes seemed to be slower, at least. |
| 21:25:12 | Soap | I have lots of options to play with tonight, but I honestly expected this one to be faster, I didn't encode it the way I had intended, and expected a speedup. |
| 21:25:57 | Soap | I encoded to a 4:3 resolution, but forgot to crop, so I ended up encoding black bars top and bottom. |
| 21:26:29 | Llorean | Ah |
| 21:26:37 | Soap | which, I ASSumed would take little power to decode, thus faster than the equivelent res. movie from the wiki. |
| 21:26:44 | tical2k | i got a friend who wants to put rockbox on their ipod nano... they got it this christmas, are they supported? |
| 21:26:57 | Soap | the metal bodied one tical2k |
| 21:27:05 | tical2k | humm |
| 21:27:06 | Soap | as in second generation? |
| 21:27:11 | tical2k | its "green" so i guess not |
| 21:27:11 | tical2k | yeah |
| 21:27:41 | tical2k | they just called me so i dont know much about it |
| 21:27:43 | Soap | the green one is all metal body, and it is not supported by rockbox |
| 21:27:53 | tical2k | alright |
| 21:28:21 | Soap | it is a second generation one. It will be a pain to get working. Expect no good news soon unless a miracle happens. |
| 21:29:02 | tical2k | alright |
| 21:29:16 | tical2k | what is the difference in hardware, do you know? |
| 21:29:26 | Llorean | A lot |
| 21:29:32 | Llorean | In fact, as far as anyone's away "all of it" |
| 21:29:40 | tical2k | haha |
| 21:29:43 | tical2k | gottcha |
| 21:29:50 | Llorean | It's an entirely new port, from scratch, if it happens. |
| 21:30:09 | tical2k | damn apple! haha |
| 21:30:21 | tical2k | alright well thanks |
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| 21:34:35 | ElPenguin | woo! and rockbox lives on my ipod |
| 21:34:40 | ElPenguin | that was simple enough |
| 21:35:05 | Llorean | I don't think it'll ever be simple enough to make everyone happy. |
| 21:35:46 | ElPenguin | well i tried ipodlinux, this couldn't be easier as far as i'm concerned |
| 21:35:53 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 21:36:09 | Llorean | Just the fact that we still use the command line is too much for some people |
| 21:36:10 | ElPenguin | but noone will ever be happy until you've got an all-singing all dancing GUI with a disgusting picture of someone smiling all over it |
| 21:36:11 | amiconn | karim: I tried to create an .S file from your patch but failed before even starting the file |
| 21:36:33 | karim | it was you ? |
| 21:36:39 | amiconn | I couldn't figure out which parts of the messy stuff is needed and which is not |
| 21:36:40 | karim | on the tracker |
| 21:36:48 | amiconn | No, not on the tracker |
| 21:37:07 | karim | there are just two functions |
| 21:37:18 | karim | maybe you have an old one |
| 21:37:37 | karim | I remember having let some functiuns not enabled |
| 21:37:37 | amiconn | There is so much commented out stuff and multiple alternative implementations that I gave up |
| 21:37:59 | karim | have you a link to the tracker ? |
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| 21:38:25 | karim | amiconn, if it's not clear then this mans there is not latest version |
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| 21:39:09 | firenx | ok, something wierd is going on, my rockbox is running laggy i've tried a bunch of different versions.. one way i know its laggy is because the bubble game is slow.. it used to be fast |
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| 21:40:32 | firenx | ok wtf its fast now |
| 21:40:41 | firenx | first time in quite a while.. and it sounds better now too |
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| 21:49:50 | karim | amiconn, check mpeg2_idct_add_c . the only usefull functions are idct, clip_block_to_dest_add, clip_block_to_dest_add_DC this 2 last methods have alternative versions, but that's just the way they are wrotte in asm. There also C version of previous ASM versions of idct_col and idct_row. I merged the two asm versions into idct. the C versions are just here to help understand what was done with no mathematics opitmisations in t |
| 21:49:50 | karim | he original versions. |
| 21:50:43 | karim | now for sure this can be cleaned a bit |
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| 21:51:06 | karim | a lot |
| 21:52:27 | karim | amiconn, just take what the preprocessor. you can drop what the preprocessor doesn't use when COLDFIRE flag is set |
| 21:53:31 | karim | can't do that now ... |
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| 22:12:00 | firenx | anyone know why browsing my music would make the music lag? |
| 22:13:23 | Soap | what hardware are you using? |
| 22:14:01 | firenx | ipod 5g 30gb |
| 22:14:28 | firenx | i've tried enabling tag cache and disk buffer.. hasn't helped |
| 22:16:12 | Soap | tag cache? |
| 22:16:22 | Soap | How old is the build you are running? |
| 22:17:37 | firenx | i think its the cvs.. been trying a few builds |
| 22:18:24 | firenx | oh i'm using the ace version right now.. |
| 22:18:31 | firenx | ace build even |
| 22:19:02 | firenx | i will try cvs |
| 22:19:22 | Soap | yea, that ace build is pretty old |
| 22:19:46 | Soap | You will find that audio doesn't skip due to scrolling anymore. |
| 22:19:53 | Soap | though scrolling is slower |
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| 22:20:08 | Soap | because priority was given to the audio thread over the UI thread. |
| 22:20:12 | firenx | oh ok |
| 22:21:03 | Kingsqueak | how is the iRiver so much better optimized than the iPod 5g ? Did someone who worked for iRiver help out with the codecs? |
| 22:21:09 | thegeek | no |
| 22:21:17 | thegeek | iriver port is much older though |
| 22:21:26 | thegeek | and the hardware is much better known |
| 22:21:28 | Soap | yea, firenx, that ace build is at least two months old. |
| 22:22:04 | Genre9mp3 | Kingsqueak: LOL |
| 22:22:09 | firenx | ok, lots of builds to keep track of heh |
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| 22:22:14 | Kingsqueak | thegeek: ah k |
| 22:22:35 | Kingsqueak | I wasn't sure if the iRiver had some built-in decoder function or if it was just reverse engineered or what |
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| 22:24:40 | firenx | hm ok that build is better but now my themes dont work heh |
| 22:24:43 | firenx | must be missing some fonts |
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| 22:31:27 | Phul | hello |
| 22:35:38 | Phul | anyone here |
| 22:37:40 | Genre9mp3 | Phul, if you have a question go ahead |
| 22:38:39 | amiconn | \o/ |
| 22:38:39 | Phul | when will e200 rockbox |
| 22:38:43 | Phul | be released |
| 22:38:52 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: ? |
| 22:38:57 | * | amiconn just completed the backlight mod on pixelma's Ondio :D |
| 22:39:05 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 22:39:55 | Llorean | Phul: We don't estimate release dates. |
| 22:40:21 | Llorean | Phul: Besides, it's somewhat impossible to predict. It's not a case of "we have it done, and will release it on a certain day" like commercial software. It's a case of "We're working on it, and will publish it once it's done" |
| 22:40:40 | Phul | But is it matter of years? |
| 22:41:10 | Phul | (Tryin to decide if to buy e200) |
| 22:41:25 | Llorean | It's impossible to predict. |
| 22:41:29 | Llorean | It's not likely to be years. |
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| 22:43:00 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What parts did you use for that? |
| 22:43:26 | Phul | where can i read what it planned to include? |
| 22:43:26 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight |
| 22:43:51 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon sent me a "kit" that contained all necessary parts |
| 22:43:56 | HawkSlayer | hello.. just wondering, whats the link to the plugin index page? |
| 22:44:22 | Genre9mp3 | Does it require a good level of soldering skills? |
| 22:44:31 | Llorean | Phul: It's just Rockbox. Rockbox is software that runs on MP3 players, so it'll have all the features of Rockbox. |
| 22:44:41 | Llorean | HawkSlayer: It's PluginIndex in the wiki |
| 22:44:47 | HawkSlayer | www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex? |
| 22:44:58 | Phul | will it have alarm clock? |
| 22:45:37 | HawkSlayer | yeah i looked on the wiki and i couldn't find it for some reason |
| 22:45:46 | yossa | I want to try and make some plugins work on the sansa, I need to know though how to make those plugins compile for this target. |
| 22:45:59 | HawkSlayer | its probably right in front of me too |
| 22:46:15 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: You need SMD soldering skills & equipment (that's why it took me a while until I finally did it - first had to get a soldering iron with a fine enough tip) |
| 22:46:26 | amiconn | The pin spacing of the SM8141B is 0.8mm |
| 22:46:27 | Llorean | HawkSlayer: Typle PluginIndex in the go box in the wiki... or the search box on the site... |
| 22:46:36 | Kingsqueak | Genre9mp3: that looks like SMD work, easy to burn something up if you aren't used to it or have a solid soldering station |
| 22:46:45 | Llorean | yossa: Change where they are in the SOURCES file. |
| 22:46:55 | DanielFaulknor | hmm.. if i have the money (just) is it worth getting a 80gb ipod instead of a 30gb one? (5.5gen, video) |
| 22:47:04 | HawkSlayer | yeah thanks guys.. i should have looked on the site more to find it lol... i am dumb :) |
| 22:47:08 | Kingsqueak | amiconn: what size tip did you wind up using? |
| 22:47:13 | amiconn | 0.4mm |
| 22:47:22 | HawkSlayer | so how's the video with audio coming along? :) |
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| 22:47:34 | Kingsqueak | ah k, just getting back into electronic fiddling here, putting together a tool list |
| 22:47:35 | Llorean | Phul: If the RTC chip can wake the device at a certain time, then yes, if it can't, then no. |
| 22:48:01 | Llorean | HawkSlayer: "eh, it's just a toy. I think we're gonna scrap it. |
| 22:48:18 | HawkSlayer | omg please don't! |
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| 22:48:38 | * | Llorean didn't get the chance to reveal he was joking. |
| 22:48:49 | HawkSlayer | now you did |
| 22:48:50 | HawkSlayer | :) |
| 22:49:03 | HawkSlayer | i accidently pressed alt+backspace |
| 22:49:36 | yossa | llorean: thank you |
| 22:49:44 | Kingsqueak | amiconn: http://apuresound.com/ATAT/PPAS/PPAS.htm that's what I want to make eventually but I need to get my chops back on easier stuff first, give that a go if you're up to it, it's supposed to sound amazing. |
| 22:50:26 | Llorean | yossa: They should just be in blocks where they're not supposed to load because of the target, and you just need to move them to the ones that do compile |
| 22:51:09 | yossa | got it |
| 22:51:43 | Phul | Llorean: can the RTC chip do it? |
| 22:52:43 | Llorean | Phul: If I knew, don't you think I'd have said so, instead of saying that? |
| 22:54:07 | HawkSlayer | is markun present? |
| 22:54:10 | markun | yes |
| 22:54:16 | firenx | what does car adaptor mode do? i cant find anything about it in the manual |
| 22:54:18 | markun | hi HawkSlayer |
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| 22:54:22 | markun | oops |
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| 22:55:15 | Llorean | firenx: That means it probably doesn't work properly on your target yet |
| 22:55:18 | HawkSlayer | my bad guys my internet keeps going down.. i don't mean to do the enter-exit spam. |
| 22:57:18 | firenx | ok |
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| 23:05:12 | markun | Bagder: the daily build page doesn't look right |
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| 23:06:26 | Bagder | hm |
| 23:07:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Several things aren't looking right on the server |
| 23:07:29 | Bagder | its mainly due to its being overloaded |
| 23:07:36 | amiconn | For the 29th, some dailies are missing, and no dailies at all for the 30th |
| 23:07:50 | Bagder | yes, because it doesn't get them built in time |
| 23:07:59 | amiconn | The server-side commit script fails while trying to send the commit mails |
| 23:08:07 | Bagder | which is due to too high load |
| 23:08:25 | Bagder | since they do work occationally |
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| 23:11:37 | amiconn | odd |
| 23:11:58 | Bagder | not really. sendmail stops accepting mail when the load is too high |
| 23:12:02 | * | amiconn didn't encounter a server with such a heavy load that it refuses to do its jobs |
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| 23:12:21 | amiconn | All I've seen is that things get sluggish under heavy load |
| 23:12:25 | Bagder | I believe 15 is the default limit or so |
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| 23:13:49 | Bagder | its not anything special with our server, it is how it usually works |
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| 23:14:29 | cheesechoker | can anyone tell me how to get to the daily builds |
| 23:15:20 | cheesechoker | i am at rockbox.org/daily.shtml but there is nothing listed there |
| 23:16:18 | Llorean | cheesechoker: Just use the CVS builds |
| 23:16:28 | ]MrFWorK[ | has there been any progress with the 80gb video ipod disk controller? |
| 23:16:29 | Bagder | ehm... |
| 23:16:37 | * | Bagder messed up the daily builds |
| 23:17:07 | Llorean | ]MrFWorK[: Just have patience. It'll be done when it's done. |
| 23:17:10 | * | cheesechoker forgives Bagder |
| 23:17:24 | cheesechoker | wait, is this where they are? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ |
| 23:17:42 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:17:45 | * | Llorean wonders why cheesechoker doesn't just use the CVS builds |
| 23:17:48 | Llorean | They're better. |
| 23:18:32 | * | cheesechoker doesn't have a compiler on this computer |
| 23:18:37 | linuxstb | Maybe we should rename "daily builds" to something else - e.g. "archived builds". |
| 23:18:50 | Llorean | cheesechoker: The CVS Builds page has BUILDS, not source code |
| 23:19:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think we should |
| 23:19:13 | cheesechoker | oh snap |
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| 23:19:44 | Llorean | cheesechoker: They contain the latest changes, even newer than the Daily page, and unlike the daily page don't risk leaving you stuck with a bug for 24 hours that someone introduced right before the daily started building, and fixed right after |
| 23:21:27 | * | Llorean wishes there were some way to clear up the misconception that dailies are "safer" or that the CVS builds page requires compiling. |
| 23:21:42 | GodEater | don't call them CVS builds? |
| 23:21:49 | GodEater | call them "latest" |
| 23:22:05 | GodEater | and rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats |
| 23:22:07 | GodEater | *says |
| 23:22:29 | ]MrFWorK[ | i'm patient, i just didn't know if there was any progress with it in the past week or so |
| 23:22:42 | GodEater | ]MrFWorK[, if there were - we'd have said so |
| 23:23:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: The daily builds do have 2 advantages over the cvs builds: |
| 23:24:02 | amiconn | (1) all of them are made consistently with the recommended gcc versions for each architecture |
| 23:24:04 | linuxstb | Bagder: Another video for the collection... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg |
| 23:24:40 | amiconn | (2) Their timestamps match the actual build time, expressed in CET (or CEST part time of the year) |
| 23:25:11 | GodEater | amiconn, does (1) mean they're built on a different box than the CVS builds ? |
| 23:25:16 | linuxstb | Both are fixable... The build scripts that run on the remote servers should set the TZ variable to something consistent. |
| 23:25:31 | linuxstb | And all build servers should install the recommended versions... |
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| 23:26:47 | amiconn | GodEater: The cvs builds are distributed, the dailies are not |
| 23:27:09 | GodEater | ah |
| 23:27:11 | amiconn | That's the cause of (1) (not all build servers necessarily use the same gcc versions) and (2) (the build servers are located in different time zones) |
| 23:27:48 | GodEater | interesting - who owns all the build servers then ? |
| 23:28:28 | amiconn | Different people |
| 23:28:44 | amiconn | One of them is mine |
| 23:29:25 | GodEater | colocated, or just say in your house ? :) |
| 23:29:34 | GodEater | *sat |
| 23:29:40 | GodEater | lord my typing blows tonight |
| 23:29:40 | linuxstb | My main PC at home is a build server... |
| 23:29:59 | amiconn | The number to the far right of each line in the build table shows how many servers participated in th elast round, and links to a list which server built how many of the builds |
| 23:30:30 | GodEater | sounds like it would definitely be a plan to standardize all the servers on the right gcc / bin-utils versions |
| 23:30:35 | amiconn | GodEater: In my flat. It's in fact a plain HP dx5150 |
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| 23:31:05 | amiconn | (micro tower pc) |
| 23:31:15 | GodEater | I'd volunteer mine for build duty, but I'm not sure on the reliability of my connection |
| 23:31:21 | GodEater | what's involved ? |
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| 23:31:56 | GodEater | if it's not too tough I'll set it up - it doesn't do much during the day :) |
| 23:32:02 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer |
| 23:32:04 | linuxstb | A fast upload (from you to www.rockbox.org) is the main requirement, as well as being able to build a full swcodec build in under a minute (I think...) |
| 23:32:25 | GodEater | is there a nice script I can grab to test it ? |
| 23:32:26 | amiconn | Gah, the wiki lags like hell :/ |
| 23:32:49 | * | linuxstb just made those requirements up and should keep quiet... |
| 23:32:51 | Soap | GodEater> and rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats |
| 23:32:54 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 23:33:01 | Soap | or rename them to "Daily Snapshots" |
| 23:33:24 | GodEater | well I've got a half-meg upstream |
| 23:33:30 | amiconn | Should be enough |
| 23:33:34 | GodEater | I think - might be 768 actually |
| 23:33:39 | amiconn | My upstream is just 384kbps |
| 23:34:04 | GodEater | and it's an AMD 3000XP with a gig of ram |
| 23:34:17 | GodEater | seems to build a "normal" build pretty sharpish |
| 23:34:55 | amiconn | Mine is an amd64 3800+ |
| 23:34:56 | GodEater | 576 upstream - just confirmed it |
| 23:35:03 | amiconn | (single core) |
| 23:35:03 | Bagder | sounds like a fine box to add to the collection |
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| 23:35:25 | GodEater | I'll probably upgrade it this year sometime |
| 23:35:28 | GodEater | it's three years old now |
| 23:35:40 | Bagder | linuxstb: mpeg uploaded |
| 23:35:41 | jeffb | how goes it GodEater |
| 23:36:02 | GodEater | jeffb, same as ever - I've given up with the ATA stuff for a while |
| 23:36:06 | GodEater | it's driving me insane |
| 23:36:07 | jeffb | same |
| 23:36:32 | GodEater | still waiting for some masochist with a knowledge of ARM to look at that flash disassembly and work a miracle :) |
| 23:36:46 | jeffb | heh |
| 23:37:09 | jeffb | no doubt |
| 23:37:12 | amiconn | GodEater: A dump from the real thing might be helpful for that... |
| 23:37:28 | Soap | hmm, 88% percent framerate compared to the VLC encodes of Elephant's Dream. I'm moving backwards. |
| 23:37:32 | GodEater | I thought we'd all reached the conclusion the dumps were the same ? |
| 23:38:24 | GodEater | although I may have missed further discussion - my Wii has had all my attention today and I've not read up on the IRC logs |
| 23:38:49 | Soap | the picture is sharper, for the same bitrate, though. |
| 23:40:16 | linuxstb | GodEater: My guess is that they are the same, but it would be useful if someone could confirm. |
| 23:40:50 | GodEater | linuxstb, well that still means someone with a knowledge of biphase code modulation encoding and decoding needs to get their hands dirty |
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| 23:41:31 | linuxstb | GodEater: Only if they are different. No-one has yet compared the same version of the 30GB and 80GB flash. |
| 23:41:50 | GodEater | that's very trye |
| 23:41:52 | GodEater | *true |
| 23:41:53 | linuxstb | jeffb compared Slasheri's old version with his current version. |
| 23:41:59 | GodEater | yep yep - I remember |
| 23:42:21 | GodEater | as predicted - all the 30G owners disappeared once we'd done the port for them :) |
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| 23:44:12 | Soap | linuxstb: do you know of a program to report on the frame structure of mpeg files? |
| 23:45:26 | linuxstb | GodEater: We should remove 2048-byte sector support from CVS - they'll be back... |
| 23:45:50 | linuxstb | Soap: Sorry, no. |
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| 23:48:08 | Soap | I'm just guessing that the speed differences I'm seeing are a result of the frame structure, but I don't know what was used in the wiki encodes. I'm creating a set with a different quantization matrix now, but I can't believe that will affect decoding speed, only picture quality. |
| 23:48:56 | GodEater | linuxstb, you're mean - but you're right :) |
| 23:49:28 | Soap | and this is a different ballgame than making XSVCDs, where the primary concern is quality per bit. Here I think the goal is speed per quality. |
| 23:50:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: With large virtual sector support, you can make fat32 partitions that linux and rockbox can handle, but windows can't.... |
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| 23:50:47 | Llorean | Soap: Aye, I think most players have enough capacity that more concern will be on total quality of the video (constant framerate + appearance) |
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| 23:51:28 | amiconn | Large virtual sector support itself is enabled for all targets (since it turned out to be soooo simple after all). :) |
| 23:52:34 | amiconn | Only the variable partition position support due to large physical sector presentation via usb is enabled for the ipod video only |
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| 23:54:07 | GodEater | amiconn, did you ever work out what those new ATA-7 words were trying to tell us on the 80G ? |
| 23:54:20 | amiconn | Yes. They're telling not much |
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| 23:54:43 | GodEater | so are there more logical sectors than physical ? |
| 23:54:57 | GodEater | or vice versa |
| 23:55:14 | BigMac | Hey just a quick question, Will a .fnt file used for the gigabeat work on the ipod |
| 23:55:24 | amiconn | More logical sectors than physical, but it doesn't matter |
| 23:55:24 | BigMac | I don't know if fnt is a container |
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| 23:55:48 | GodEater | because all the ATA commands talk in terms of logical sectors |
| 23:56:03 | Llorean | BigMac: You may note we only offer one Font package on the builds page, not ones for specific players |
| 23:56:06 | amiconn | At least the backwards compatible commands do |
| 23:56:15 | GodEater | which is all we've been using |
| 23:56:16 | amiconn | Maybe it's important for the streaming stuff |
| 23:56:31 | GodEater | yeah - I wasn't quite sure I understoof the point of that |
| 23:57:30 | amiconn | Here's my latest commented version: amiconn.dyndns.org/ata_identify_5.5G.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/ata_identify_5.5G.txt |
| 23:58:26 | amiconn | The multisector setting still puzzles me |
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