00:00:11 | amiconn | That's out of spec for ATA-5, ATA-6 and ATA-7 |
00:00:41 | Soap | well, Llorean, that explains the speed difference |
00:00:42 | GodEater | yeah, but isn't that dump you have from before the multi-sectors stuff is set in the RB code ? |
00:00:49 | linuxstb | Soap: If it helps, the typical mpeg2enc command-line I used was "mpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v" |
00:00:55 | Soap | the wiki encodes aren't up to full MPEG2 usage. |
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00:01:37 | linuxstb | Soap: And here is the mpeg2enc man page: http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=mpeg2enc/1 |
00:01:44 | Soap | they are in PPPPPPPPPPPPPPI format and mine are in IBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBB format |
00:02:02 | Soap | they aren't using bidirectional frames. |
00:02:11 | linuxstb | Yes, I the mpeg2enc people don't like B-frames... |
00:02:17 | Llorean | Soap: I noticed the 300kbpsish one for Nano looked lower quality than the 256kbps encodes that VLC had been outputting for me, but assumed that was just because of the source material since I wasn't encoding the same video. or anything. |
00:02:22 | linuxstb | s/I// |
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00:03:22 | amiconn | GodEater: Correct, but word 47 bits 7..0 defines the _maximum_ sectors for read multiple / write multiple, and all specs say the value 0x00 is _reserved_ |
00:03:51 | GodEater | and it should contain a valid value even if we've not turned that feature on ? |
00:04:03 | amiconn | yes |
00:04:05 | GodEater | hmmm |
00:04:33 | amiconn | The actual value will end up in word 59 |
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00:05:44 | Soap | unfortunately I fear that means we won't be able to create an easier to decode file. |
00:06:15 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb, Soap: The only acceptable framerates for MPEG2 are 25 and 29.97? |
00:06:23 | GodEater | is it worth getting the output from a DEVICE CONFIGURATION IDENTIFY command as well ? |
00:06:45 | GodEater | to see if anything odd has been set ? |
00:06:45 | amiconn | Soap: Why? I would expect that files using B frames are both lower bitrate per quality _and_ easier to decode... |
00:08:05 | Soap | amiconn: really? I assumed that the bidirectional frames took more work to decode. |
00:08:23 | Soap | they definately do improve quality per bitrate. |
00:08:52 | amiconn | Worth a test |
00:09:07 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: No, 30fps, 24fps (film) and 23.976fps (NTSC 3:2 pulldown) are also valid. |
00:09:31 | Soap | Genre9mp3: you can do NTSCfilm @ 23.976. But those are the TV standards, you can create MPEG2 streams for computer playback at any framerate - though you need to respect the framerate of your source. |
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00:09:47 | amiconn | Iirc, all mpeg video players on amiga show increased fps when P frames are added (starting from an I-frames only video), and more increased fps when adding B frames as well |
00:09:55 | phrozen77_ | hi guys |
00:10:16 | phrozen77_ | i just wonder - are there any estimations when rockbox will be working on the 80gb 5.5th gen ipods? |
00:10:33 | Llorean | phrozen77_: It's impossible to estimate |
00:10:45 | Soap | well, my current encode will be to test the matrix's effect on FPS, next I'll hold everything else constant and change the GOB structure. |
00:11:13 | phrozen77_ | Llorean: well, is there anything one could help without being a programmer? |
00:11:49 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... I tried to create a video at 10fps using VLC but it didn't work. It made the conversion but the file doesn't play (both PC and Rockbox) |
00:11:55 | BHSPitMonkey | phrozen77_, donate your 5.5G to devs? :) |
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00:12:06 | phrozen77_ | BHSPitMonkey: heh, well i planned to keep it :P |
00:12:10 | Llorean | phrozen77_: Really, nothing right now |
00:12:22 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox returns error and on my PC it plays only the audio stream |
00:12:29 | phrozen77_ | too sad :| |
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00:13:34 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Maybe something else went wrong... Have you tried other fps values? |
00:13:39 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Bcause 10fps isn't a valid framerate for it... |
00:14:32 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: The source file is encoded at 25fps |
00:14:57 | linuxstb | The framerate is just specified in terms of the number of 27MHz ticks per frame. So it can be more or less anything (but the MPEG specs limit it). |
00:15:49 | phrozen77_ | Llorean: any ideas what the actual issues with the 80gb models are? |
00:16:14 | linuxstb | phrozen77_: Simple - Rockbox can't access the disk and no-one knows why. |
00:16:25 | phrozen77_ | ftw |
00:16:36 | phrozen77_ | everybody and their dog can access the disk |
00:16:38 | phrozen77_ | ;) |
00:17:50 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I have tried 12 and 8 fps.. none of them worked, I'll try with a different video |
00:18:08 | linuxstb | Did the 12fps video I created work? |
00:18:14 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: You need to OUTPUT at a framerete MPEG like, or you'll get audio only files. |
00:18:24 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: I had the same problem with VLC yesterday. |
00:18:24 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: yes |
00:18:33 | Llorean | Other encoders might work, but VLC will reject it |
00:18:38 | linuxstb | Does vlc just use ffmpeg? |
00:18:44 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: I see, thanks |
00:18:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think so |
00:19:17 | phrozen77_ | linuxstb: would there be a way to test it why it fails? |
00:19:36 | amiconn | phrozen77_: You could lend the thing to an experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things |
00:19:45 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: I'm not sure if there are other framerates VLC likes besides the ones linuxstb mentioned, but if you give it an invalid one, you get what you described (audio, no video) |
00:20:37 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: I see, I'll try with a different encoder then |
00:20:38 | linuxstb | Here's the mencoder command-line I used for my 12fps encode - mencoder -v -of mpeg -srate 44100 -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -vf pp=lb,spp,crop=1440:1080:240:0,scale=224:176:0 -ofps 12 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=$BITRATE ../elephantsdream-1920-hd-mpeg4-su-ac3.avi -o tmp.mpg |
00:20:57 | phrozen77_ | amiconn: and who would that be? |
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00:21:36 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: very useful, thanks |
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00:27:04 | amiconn | phrozen77_: Depends on where you're from |
00:27:09 | phrozen77_ | .de |
00:27:17 | amiconn | Oh, me too |
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00:32:34 | Genre9mp3 | Sometimes I can't understand people's reactions... You tell them that we have video with sound and they immediately complain about the lack of playback controls... Argh |
00:33:05 | phrozen77_ | small finger -> whole arm |
00:33:46 | phrozen77_ | amiconn: so - you are a "experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things"? |
00:34:25 | amiconn | I think one could say so... |
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00:34:43 | one | He is |
00:34:44 | Llorean | He's definitely got the experience and the skill |
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00:40:06 | * | linuxstb vouches for amiconn as well |
00:40:39 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: He was either trolling or simply doesn't understand how Rockbox is developed. |
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00:44:03 | Llorean | I think part of it is, to most people it's "There's no video with sound, there's no video with sound... There's video with sound" |
00:44:07 | Llorean | It's like flipping a light switch. |
00:44:30 | Llorean | And so on some level, since they don't really understand what all goes on, the thought pattern is that one day someone finally sat down and did it. |
00:45:11 | Llorean | I mean, video players with sound are everywhere, they must know HOW, and they must have a lot of information to work from, so surely it didn't actually take a lot of work if it just happened that suddenly, without alphas and betas and half-working versions of sound where there was skipping or it sounded bad... |
00:47:22 | * | Soap needs a faster computer. |
00:47:47 | Nimdae | there's video with sound on rockbox? |
00:48:02 | Llorean | Nimdae: Not in CVS yet |
00:48:10 | Llorean | It still lacks a lot, such as "the ability to play files larger than RAM" |
00:48:21 | Nimdae | oh |
00:48:27 | Nimdae | i thought i missed something, heh |
00:48:35 | dionoea | didn't the original mpegplayer read larger than ram files ? |
00:48:40 | dionoea | (the soundless one) |
00:49:14 | Llorean | dionoea: Yup, doesn't mean that this one does though. :-P |
00:49:16 | Nimdae | so it's only capable of playing like 10 second videos with sound atm? |
00:49:25 | dionoea | Llorean: i was just checking :p |
00:49:39 | Nimdae | not that video is important to me |
00:49:45 | Llorean | Nimdae: At least 3 or 4 minutes on my Nano. |
00:49:52 | Nimdae | i don't care to watch videos on my ipod :P |
00:50:05 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: It does play files larger than RAM |
00:50:22 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: It just doesn't rebuffer so it hangs once RAM is reached. |
00:50:24 | Soap | shush! now they'll all want one! |
00:50:26 | Llorean | Or has that been fixed? |
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00:51:56 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Not sure to tell you the truth... I mean I played an mpg today that was 51MB, I think it stopped playing when the audio stream has finished (the video was out of sync back) but maybe it stopped because it didn't rebuffer then? |
00:52:04 | dionoea | Soap: you can try using projectX to analyse your mpeg files |
00:52:18 | Soap | dionoea: no I didn't try that. |
00:52:44 | Soap | VDubMod shows what each individual frame type is, you just need to key through them in order. Not the easiest way. |
00:52:49 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: I know the version I was testing yesterday was not supposed to rebuffer yet, if it's still the same patch, then it shouldn't be rebuffering. |
00:52:56 | dionoea | oh ok :) |
00:53:02 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: It'll load up fine, but after a certain point, just hang. |
00:53:05 | Soap | I'll try that though. |
00:53:19 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: hang or just exit? |
00:53:46 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: For me, it just hung. Froze up. |
00:54:29 | Genre9mp3 | It just exited to me today... linuxstb should know |
00:55:01 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Well, the whole program seems shaky. On shorter files, sometimes it freezes, sometimes it scrambles stuff all over the screen, and sometimes it exits gracefully for me. :) |
00:56:10 | Nimdae | is it using the ipod decoder or is it still just using the cpu? |
00:56:26 | dionoea | cpu |
00:56:32 | Llorean | Nimdae: I played it on my Nano. Guess. :-P |
00:56:42 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Never crashed/frozed on me with H300 with stack size set up to0x2500 |
00:56:42 | Nimdae | so it's a battery killer |
00:57:29 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: today's testing that is |
00:57:49 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Maybe be a difference between dual core use and single core use. |
00:57:56 | Llorean | Nimdae: No moreso than playing Doom is. :-P |
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00:58:07 | Nimdae | i don't play doom on my ipod :P |
00:58:21 | Nimdae | the second core is working now? |
00:58:21 | Llorean | But nobody's even really investigating the broadcom chip |
00:58:27 | Genre9mp3 | perhaps... I believe there are things very well hidden on this PP beast |
00:58:49 | Llorean | I mean, it only benefits one target, so it's kinda a lot of effort for a very small gain over other investments of dev time anyway |
00:59:00 | Llorean | 'specially since Video isn't a primary focus, either |
00:59:25 | Nimdae | well, like people keep saying, if someone has an interest in it, they'll work on it |
00:59:39 | Genre9mp3 | Doom wasn't primary focus either ;) |
00:59:51 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Doom was done by someine with the interest |
00:59:56 | Genre9mp3 | indeed |
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01:00:31 | Nimdae | i could honestly live without the video playback, i just think it's neat :P |
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01:00:56 | Llorean | Nimdae: I could live without it, but now that it's almost there, I find myself wishing rebuffering worked. |
01:01:07 | Nimdae | lol |
01:01:23 | Nimdae | i'm more interested in the second core and usb |
01:01:46 | Llorean | Well, the second core is being used for video playback |
01:01:48 | Genre9mp3 | for me it's really impressive the first time... almost as impressive as .rvf on those Archoses screen ;) |
01:01:55 | Llorean | Which is why we get 25-30fps with audio on the Nano |
01:02:33 | Genre9mp3 | When I first watched an .rvf on my Ondio I was left with my mouth open |
01:02:33 | Nimdae | what about just plain audio playback though? |
01:02:46 | Llorean | Nimdae: There's a patch in the tracker for that |
01:03:04 | Nimdae | i haven't kept up with it, last i checked it worked, but was unstable |
01:03:19 | Llorean | Nimdae: Doesn't offer the performance increases expected, but there's something getting in the way (theories relate to memory bandwidth, lockstepping between threads, and other things) |
01:03:29 | Llorean | But it did give me about a 5% battery life increase |
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01:03:47 | Nimdae | see, i'm not looking for better performance, i'm looking for improvement in battery life |
01:04:11 | Llorean | Well, the second core isn't the primary cause of the battery life issues, most likely |
01:04:28 | Nimdae | i would think it to be the boosting of the first core almost constantly |
01:05:15 | Llorean | Nimdae: Ever tried leaving an iPod on without playback and seeing how the battery life compares unboosted? |
01:05:38 | Nimdae | actually, no |
01:05:45 | Llorean | That would answer that question right there |
01:06:08 | Nimdae | how does it compare? |
01:06:10 | Llorean | But the problem's also probably related to various other parts of the hardware on the PP chip we don't know about. Perhaps the USB controller, like on the H300. |
01:06:36 | Llorean | Nimdae: I haven't either. :) I just thought of it a few seconds ago. |
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01:07:14 | Nimdae | well, i would hope that you would mean while working unboosted and not idle |
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01:07:54 | Nimdae | looks like there's been updates to the coprocessor patch since i last looked, heh |
01:07:57 | * | Nimdae reads |
01:08:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, nothing's changed - still no rebuffering... |
01:08:59 | Llorean | Nimdae: The CPU doesn't go to the idle speed unless nothing's happening. I suppose the best test would be to take a plugin like Fire, make it not boost so it runs at unboosted but is constantly doing something, and see how battery life is. |
01:09:12 | Llorean | Nimdae: One thing we learned though: It's likely the COP was draining power even when we weren't using it. |
01:09:51 | Nimdae | i think that was a suspicion for quite a while though |
01:09:59 | Llorean | Yup |
01:10:15 | Nimdae | i remember reading somewhere that there's various hardware components not yet in use that may be draining power |
01:10:32 | Llorean | It's just more or less confirmed now. My runtime test came out about the same with the COP enabled and running a kernel, and came out a bit longer once we moved the codec thread to it so that both cores spent less total time boosted |
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01:10:52 | Llorean | Nimdae: That'd be the USB controller, among others. |
01:11:02 | Nimdae | yeah |
01:11:07 | amiconn | That means we didn't properly sleep the cop before |
01:11:16 | Llorean | Nimdae: The H300 had a USB host controller that was draining power resulting in nearly half of what battery life should be. The PortalPlayer chipset has a USB controller we don't do too much with yet. |
01:11:28 | amiconn | We need to figure out that clock skipping thing... |
01:12:19 | linuxstb | Hopefully the Sansa people will knock the USB part of the PP chip into shape. |
01:12:21 | * | Llorean is hoping so too |
01:12:34 | Llorean | With the additions from the mysterious Mr. H, we may have some real hope there. |
01:12:46 | amiconn | I don't think this will happen too soon |
01:12:59 | amiconn | Apart from figuring out the chip, we need to implement the device part of an usb stack |
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01:13:19 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: goodmorning |
01:13:25 | JdGordon | morning |
01:13:43 | Genre9mp3 | well, for me it's 2AM now |
01:13:55 | Mouser_X | Sounds like morning to me. |
01:14:43 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: I just want to point you this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg61792#msg61792 |
01:14:48 | Nimdae | so yeah, from what i gather, progress on making the coprocessor work is progressing a bit |
01:15:16 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: yeah, I saw it, ill try get to it today, otherwise it will have to wait till next weekend.. (going on holiday soon) |
01:15:49 | Genre9mp3 | ok... just want to make sure you know |
01:17:07 | Nimdae | Llorean: i will see if i can get some boosted/nonboosted tests done ;) |
01:17:18 | Nimdae | now to find my ipod |
01:17:35 | Llorean | Nimdae: I'm curious too. Try to make sure the processor's doing something while unboosted though, to make sure it never drops to idle, as you noted. |
01:17:50 | Nimdae | i'm gonna use that flame plugin you mentioned |
01:18:04 | Nimdae | i need to check the source to see if it boosts |
01:18:16 | Nimdae | if it does i may be able to fork the plugin to a unboosted version |
01:18:23 | Nimdae | save on recompiling repeatedly, etc |
01:19:06 | Llorean | Nimdae: I'm almost certain it does, my suggestion was to remove the boosting from it anyway. :) |
01:19:24 | Nimdae | i know, i'm stealing the idea and claiming it as my own :P |
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01:20:10 | Llorean | Oh, well that's fine then. |
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01:22:48 | Nimdae | i'm gonna do this on the latest cvs source tarball (newer than what's on my ipod now) |
01:22:57 | Nimdae | any patches you recommend? |
01:23:17 | Nimdae | ls |
01:23:20 | Nimdae | oops wrong window |
01:32:48 | Nimdae | Llorean: i should just comment out the 2 boost calls in fire.c? |
01:33:52 | phrozen77_ | gnite guys |
01:33:56 | Nimdae | nite |
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01:35:07 | Nimdae | doh forgot what to do after "make" |
01:35:37 | Llorean | Nimdae: Commenting those out should work, I believe. "make zip" |
01:35:53 | Nimdae | that's what i thought, i just wanted to check the wiki before i did it, heh |
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01:40:10 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: There's a small problem with the code you pasted on misticriver for encoding, you need a samplerate=44100 to force 44.1 for the audio |
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01:40:24 | Llorean | linuxstb told me it wouldn't accept anything else in its current state |
01:40:52 | linuxstb | That's correct. |
01:41:13 | Llorean | Also, vb=600 might be a bit high. 256 looked fine on a 176x128 video, so you might try lowering it and seeing how it looks. |
01:41:24 | linuxstb | Lower bitrates should also decode faster... |
01:43:14 | * | linuxstb wants to steal the codec thread's stack for mpegplayer - 9KB of unused IRAM.... |
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01:45:20 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: thanks for pointing out, it's "samplerate=44100", right? |
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01:48:14 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: fixed |
01:48:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: Can't you? |
01:49:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought that Doom did something like that, which caused problems with voice in its menus? |
01:49:26 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Looks good. |
01:49:41 | linuxstb | I think any plugin that uses IRAM at all caused problems with voice. But I think that's been fixed. |
01:50:40 | Llorean | Ah |
01:50:43 | Nimdae | ok, the slower draw rate indicates it's not boosting |
01:50:53 | Llorean | Nimdae: Good. :) |
01:50:53 | Nimdae | now to run the battery into the ground |
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01:51:10 | Llorean | Sadly you can't use battery_bench during it, so just watching it out of the corner of your eye will have to do. |
01:51:32 | linuxstb | But it looks like the codec thread is constantly running, so if I stole its stack, I would need to save and restore the contents. I need a playback guru... lostlogic? |
01:51:37 | DerPapst_ | just read the logs... GodEater where did you found the information that the 80GB HDD from the 5.5G iPod understands ATA-7? |
01:51:38 | Nimdae | yeah |
01:51:40 | Nimdae | just learned that |
01:51:54 | Llorean | Nimdae: They're both plugins, so can't exist at the same time |
01:52:01 | Nimdae | battery bench says press off to stop it |
01:52:04 | Nimdae | ipod has no "off" |
01:52:06 | Nimdae | heh |
01:52:42 | Nimdae | battery is currently 95% |
01:52:46 | Nimdae | i'll start it and put a timer on |
01:52:49 | amiconn | Nimdae: (1) What are you trying to do? |
01:53:25 | Nimdae | what's (2)? |
01:53:27 | Nimdae | :P |
01:53:40 | Nimdae | seeing what unboosted battery life is like with cpu activity |
01:53:54 | amiconn | (2) If you need a battery log while running another plugin, unify both into one |
01:53:56 | Nimdae | this will take hours |
01:54:04 | Nimdae | hmmm |
01:54:09 | * | Nimdae goes back to hacking |
01:54:12 | Nimdae | thanks amiconn! |
01:54:15 | linuxstb | CTRL+C, CTRL+V.... |
01:54:43 | Nimdae | linuxstb: ctrl+c has a completely different meaning in linux console >.> |
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01:55:15 | jba | ctrl+shift+c works in some consoles on linux |
01:55:29 | linuxstb | OK, OK,... You all knew what I meant. :) |
01:55:33 | Nimdae | ctrl+ins almost always works |
01:55:43 | Nimdae | in windows and linux |
01:55:57 | Nimdae | ctrl+ins shift+ins |
01:57:09 | Nimdae | bah, C intimidates me :( i don't think i could hack together this |
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01:58:08 | Nimdae | after about 4 hours, i will check the battery level |
01:58:21 | Nimdae | it will be a very rough test, but at least something |
01:58:29 | jeffb | C is awesome |
01:58:49 | Nimdae | i don't disagree |
01:58:53 | Nimdae | i juts don't know it well |
01:59:21 | * | markun notices that he should have tested his latest commit.. |
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01:59:45 | Nimdae | lol |
02:00 |
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02:00:23 | Nimdae | bad markun |
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02:00:42 | Nimdae | you shouldn't code like me |
02:00:45 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, the Edit, Save, Compile, Test, Commit cycle is too easily shorten to "Edit, Save, Commit"... |
02:01:22 | amiconn | markun: #ifdef .... |
02:01:28 | markun | amiconn: yes.. |
02:01:36 | amiconn | Apart from that .section .text can be shortened to just .text |
02:01:42 | markun | but compiling now for gigabeat and ipod just in case |
02:01:49 | markun | amiconn: ok, will do that |
02:02:44 | amiconn | Will we see a fixed gigabeat sim these days? |
02:02:51 | linuxstb | What does the "ax",%progbits mean? |
02:03:19 | amiconn | These are section flags |
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02:04:28 | Ghoulunatic | I need a hand with rockbox |
02:05:08 | amiconn | These don't need to be specified for predefined sections (.text / .data / .rodata / .bss), but for special sections they should be set properly |
02:05:23 | Nimdae | bah, my ipod shut down after 11 and a half minutes |
02:05:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah, OK. Thanks. |
02:05:42 | Nimdae | 82% battery |
02:05:55 | linuxstb | idle timeout? |
02:06:05 | Nimdae | most likely |
02:06:30 | Nimdae | yeah |
02:06:32 | * | Nimdae turns that off |
02:06:34 | linuxstb | Ghoulunatic: What's the problem? |
02:06:42 | amiconn | "ax" means Allocatable and eXecutable, %progbits means the section contains data |
02:06:47 | Ghoulunatic | I need the fonts thing, I have a Gigabeat F Series |
02:07:04 | Ghoulunatic | and the site is just a page that talks about the fonts, but has no links |
02:07:18 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
02:07:27 | Ghoulunatic | thanks |
02:07:29 | Nimdae | i'll put it back on the charger...maybe while it's charging i'll find some way to hack battbench into fire |
02:07:31 | linuxstb | There's currently a bug with the daily builds page. |
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02:08:11 | Ghoulunatic | ah, so there is a daily build of the Gigabeat F? |
02:08:51 | Llorean | Ghoulunatic: The fonts package for Rockbox is kept on the daily builds page |
02:10:14 | Ghoulunatic | I tried to get the daily Gigabeat build but i clicked it and got this |
02:10:15 | Ghoulunatic | gigatbeatf is not a fine binary name, try one of these: |
02:11:11 | linuxstb | Any ops around who can change the topic to mention the daily builds and give a link to the fonts zip file? |
02:12:44 | Ghoulunatic | I'll back shortly |
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02:21:01 | Soader03 | Someone know why the #gigabeat channel (from the GigabeatFXPort) page doesn't work? |
02:21:24 | linuxstb | You can only access #rockbox from the rockbox.org web client. You need to use a real IRC client. |
02:21:26 | JdGordon | bcause our webclient is only for this channel |
02:22:12 | Soader03 | oh, ok, then... |
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02:23:29 | Nimdae | mirc, pirch, xchat, irssi, bitchx, etc |
02:23:32 | Nimdae | oh |
02:23:33 | Nimdae | he left |
02:23:47 | * | Nimdae goes back to "hacking" |
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02:30:04 | Soap | woo hoo 8/10th of a percent speedup from changing the matrix! |
02:30:08 | Soap | ;) |
02:31:16 | linuxstb | You mean 0.8% ? |
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02:32:29 | Soap | yes |
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02:33:17 | Soap | no discernable difference between video quality, though, when comparing frames. |
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02:35:09 | Soap | next I'll try 1/2 the number of B frames. My prediction is frame rates half way between the IPPPPP wiki ones and the IBBPBBP ones I made earlier. |
02:35:28 | Nimdae | now, lets see how "l33t" i am |
02:35:42 | linuxstb | Soap: See you in 100 minutes... |
02:35:43 | Nimdae | wtf |
02:35:45 | Nimdae | it built |
02:35:52 | Soap | Nimdae: did you make one combining the pluggins? |
02:35:57 | Nimdae | yeah |
02:36:02 | Soap | cool. |
02:36:07 | Nimdae | i have to scroll up to see this for myself |
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02:45:31 | Nimdae | is there a file i need to edit for a plugin to be included? |
02:45:43 | linuxstb | apps/plugins/SOURCES |
02:45:49 | Nimdae | oh yeah |
02:46:00 | Nimdae | i forgot i did that for the first one i did |
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02:47:27 | mdke | hi there, this isn't strictly a rockbox question, more of an ipod question, but you've been very helpful and you know lots about ipods |
02:47:42 | Nimdae | i hope it's rockbox related |
02:47:44 | mdke | I put a fair amount of mp3s and oggs on my ipod and have been happily listening to them with rockbox |
02:48:12 | mdke | now I've tried to copy them off the ipod, and have found a lot of files named *.mp4, which I can't play in my desktop media players. |
02:48:19 | mdke | does anyone know what the cause might be? |
02:48:23 | mdke | Nimdae: well, I'm not sure it is |
02:48:45 | Nimdae | are these files in the numbered directories placed there by itunes? |
02:48:57 | mdke | well, I believe I used gtkpod, but yeah |
02:49:10 | mdke | they are in the numbered directories alright |
02:49:13 | linuxstb | You used gtkpod to transfer the oggs? |
02:49:30 | mdke | I can't remember now, I'm afraid. It would have been that or banshee I suppose |
02:49:45 | Nimdae | hah, i forgot to add a function declaration |
02:49:47 | Nimdae | silly me |
02:50:23 | linuxstb | I'm only guessing (I've never used gtkpod), but maybe it transcoded the oggs to mp4 (i.e. AAC) thinking your ipod couldn't play them. |
02:51:35 | Nimdae | possibly |
02:51:35 | mdke | I'm trying to recall which files were ogg and which weren't to try and test that theory |
02:52:13 | mdke | would the apple firmware have renamed them if I tried to play the oggs? |
02:52:55 | linuxstb | The Apple firmware only plays files listed in the database. I doubt it would rename the files. |
02:53:08 | mdke | well, unrenaming them hasn't helped either, so maybe your theory is right |
02:53:16 | mdke | damnit, lots of repair work to do |
02:53:36 | linuxstb | I'm guessing you're running Ubuntu? |
02:53:49 | linuxstb | If you have mplayer installed, that should play your .mp4 files. |
02:53:49 | mdke | yes |
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02:56:46 | mdke | linuxstb: doesn't seem to. |
02:57:16 | mdke | bah humbug |
02:57:52 | mdke | I need to use cp and rockbox from now on, clearly :) |
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02:58:45 | Nimdae | there, now it builds for real |
02:58:47 | Nimdae | question is |
02:58:51 | Nimdae | does it work? |
02:58:55 | Nimdae | knowing me, it'll format my ipod |
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03:00:35 | mdke | linuxstb: thanks again :D |
03:00:53 | mdke | you guys are exceptionally helpful around here |
03:01:59 | Nimdae | i expect a tip |
03:02:38 | Mouser_X | "Look both ways when crossing the street." |
03:02:43 | Mouser_X | How's that? |
03:02:47 | Nimdae | great! |
03:02:48 | Nimdae | thanks! |
03:03:11 | Mouser_X | Glad to help. |
03:03:11 | Mouser_X | :) |
03:03:14 | DerPapst_ | hahahaha |
03:03:59 | Nimdae | well |
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03:04:02 | Nimdae | it starts the fire display |
03:04:13 | Nimdae | but never starts the battery_bench code |
03:04:17 | Nimdae | meh |
03:04:43 | linuxstb | BenC: Use the "cvs builds" - they're the same thing. |
03:04:56 | BenC | "fonts" isnt there? |
03:05:01 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
03:05:16 | BenC | cheers |
03:05:22 | BenC | just looking through the install options |
03:05:24 | * | mdke nods at BenC |
03:05:36 | BenC | im guessing theres not an installer for it for ipod photo? |
03:05:53 | linuxstb | Do you already have ipodlinux installed? |
03:05:57 | DerPapst_ | BenC: do you still have a loder installed from iPodLinux? |
03:05:59 | BenC | I could have |
03:06:05 | BenC | I mean - I could install it |
03:06:29 | DerPapst_ | no then take the rockboxloader if you don't want to use iPL anymore |
03:06:36 | linuxstb | The ipod install instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
03:08:59 | Nimdae | blah, i don't have winscp installed so i'm using the explorer based ftp to access my server (where i'm doing the building since it has a build environment already)...stupid thing places the zip file in random places on my desktop and i have to hunt it down onec it downloads |
03:10:55 | Nimdae | SWEET |
03:10:56 | Nimdae | IT WORKS |
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03:12:01 | Nimdae | SWEET IT CRASHED |
03:12:30 | BenC | :| |
03:12:30 | BenC | Cannot create or replace .rockbox: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). |
03:12:30 | Mouser_X | lol |
03:12:35 | BenC | thinking my ipod is dead :| |
03:12:49 | Mouser_X | (lol @ Nimdae) |
03:13:24 | Nimdae | i think i know why it crashed |
03:14:06 | Nimdae | a lot i had to work around to keep from duplicating stuff, and i might have removed too much on exiting from the plugin |
03:14:18 | Nimdae | so not everything is closed off |
03:15:07 | Gon2 | mmm |
03:15:10 | Gon2 | does rockbox play those ipod games? |
03:15:41 | DerPapst_ | Gon2: no |
03:15:47 | Gon2 | kk |
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03:16:08 | DerPapst_ | it has its own games |
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03:27:05 | BenC | rockbox = very simple text interface, right? |
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03:28:03 | Digamma | From what I see on the wiki; the sansa e200 has attained audio support? |
03:28:31 | markun | BenC: it can be |
03:28:53 | Digamma | The CVS...? |
03:29:05 | Llorean | Digamma: Where does it say this? |
03:29:25 | BenC | markun, just looking through the menus and things.. all black text and battery meter etc, right? |
03:29:26 | Digamma | Well; it no longer states the audio disablilty in the wiki |
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03:29:43 | Digamma | Take a look yourself; it has been revised to v9 |
03:30:07 | Soap | linuxstb: should the rockbox mpeg player be able to support VBR videos? |
03:30:49 | markun | BenC: you can choose a backdrop, change the font and fontcolour and use a WPS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
03:31:10 | Llorean | Digamma: What page are you referring to, there's no version number on the official Sansa port page. |
03:31:25 | Digamma | I know |
03:31:33 | Llorean | Or are you referring to the r9 of the page revision. |
03:31:35 | Digamma | yeas |
03:31:42 | Llorean | So why'd you say "v9" then? |
03:31:49 | linuxstb | Soap: Yes. Are you having problems? |
03:31:54 | Digamma | sorry; I thought it was v9, |
03:31:59 | BenC | markun are the supported on ipod photo? |
03:32:03 | Llorean | There's still no green check next to the DAC driver, as you'll notice |
03:32:19 | Llorean | Meaning it doesn't work yet. |
03:32:43 | Soap | linuxstb: I haven't tried yet, but I was going to push the low-bitrate envelope tonight with a multi-pass VBR with high precision motion detection, the whole works. |
03:32:54 | Digamma | In other words; no audio |
03:32:56 | Soap | (as I slept) |
03:32:59 | Llorean | The "no sound" was replaced with a far more descriptive and meaningful way of saying "no sound" |
03:33:07 | Digamma | Why is there a lack of this information in *r*9? |
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03:33:33 | Llorean | Digamma: I'd hardly call "Audio DAC driver - We have not been able to obtain documentation for the DAC" with the yellow exclamation a lack of information. |
03:33:51 | Digamma | I apologise |
03:33:56 | Digamma | I did not fully read it |
03:34:21 | Digamma | You need further incinuate that I was hasty |
03:34:49 | Llorean | I have clarified it, it now says clearly on that line that there is no audio support. |
03:35:34 | Soap | but is there unsupported audio? |
03:35:53 | Soap | ;) |
03:36:25 | JdGordon | oh damn... wen did genre9mp3 leave? |
03:36:35 | Llorean | Soap: Yes, but you can't hear it. |
03:37:54 | Digamma | lol |
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03:40:04 | Injection | hello |
03:40:27 | Llorean | Soap: I'll be excited when the Sansa has audio. I like it a good deal better than the Nano anyway. |
03:40:53 | Injection | any progress on creative zen vision m? |
03:41:11 | Nimdae | is there even work on the zen vision m? |
03:41:43 | Nimdae | Llorean: i successfully (sorta) combined fire and battery_bench and created 2 versions, one that boosts and one that doesn't |
03:41:56 | Llorean | Injection: I would say "No, we're still in the early phases, somewhere around 'Step 1: Wait for people who have the hardware to start working on it,'" |
03:42:02 | Llorean | Nimdae: Good deal. |
03:42:14 | Injection | is hter? |
03:42:33 | Llorean | Injection: Nobody is working on it. |
03:42:38 | Injection | mm |
03:42:43 | Nimdae | now, lets run the noboost version and see if it doesn't crash, heh |
03:42:49 | Injection | i want to try |
03:42:51 | Injection | but i dont know where to start |
03:42:56 | Llorean | Nimdae: Good luck. I'll be curious to know the results. |
03:43:06 | Nimdae | me too |
03:43:08 | Injection | where do i start? |
03:43:22 | Nimdae | Injection: i'd recommend browsing the source code |
03:43:36 | Nimdae | and possibly browsing the specs on the zen vision m |
03:43:58 | Injection | kk |
03:44:01 | Llorean | Nimdae: One thing, after about 4 or 5 hours, I would suggest stopping the plugin and quitting, as the buffered writes that the battery_bench use won't happen since Fire doesn't access the disk. |
03:44:27 | Llorean | Nimdae: Then, once you've got the two benches, pick a start point like 90% and an end point like 30%, some range that they both cover with equal voltages at each, and use that to compare times. |
03:45:07 | Llorean | Injection: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
03:45:43 | Llorean | Nimdae: Or you could just fix it to write to disk every X minutes, rather than using the delayed writes, I suppose |
03:47:00 | Nimdae | if i remember correctly, the battery bench will spin the disk up and write if it finds it's not writing often enough |
03:47:29 | Llorean | Dunno |
03:47:31 | Llorean | :) |
03:49:10 | Nimdae | actually, if i remember correctly, there use to be no way to check if the disk was spinning, so it would just commit a write, which would prompt rockbox to spin up the disk and write |
03:51:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
03:52:59 | Nimdae | looks like it will write when it is not in usb mode and it has info, and when it is either exiting, it reaches some kind of timeout (i'm guessing), or the disk is active (i'm betting this was added when the function was added) |
03:54:06 | Nimdae | yeah, that's a timeout |
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04:04:31 | Soader03 | I got a question: is it normal when I listen to music and when I play the plugin "fire", the music cuts every 2-3 seconds??? |
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04:05:23 | Soader03 | Um, and I'm a gigabeat user |
04:05:55 | markun | hi Soader03 |
04:06:03 | Soader03 | hey, markun! |
04:06:08 | markun | which build are you using? |
04:06:16 | Soader03 | the 25th |
04:06:32 | Soader03 | december 25th |
04:08:40 | markun | Soader03: from now on you can get the latest builds here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
04:09:01 | markun | still didn't install a IRC client? |
04:09:17 | Soader03 | what is the best? |
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04:10:19 | markun | Soader03: I don't know depends on your OS also. But I will go to sleep now. |
04:10:24 | markun | Good night |
04:10:29 | Soader03 | bye! |
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04:31:48 | Soap | cutting the number of B frames in half didn't change the FPS one bit. |
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04:33:35 | Soader03 | sorry |
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04:46:37 | Llorean | Soap: So, B frames should be kept for size/quality benefit? |
04:48:16 | Nimdae | well, since my ipod is benchmarking, i'm gonna load up some music elsewhere |
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04:50:50 | linuxstb | Llorean: The mpeg2enc manpage would argue with you saying that - "Experts differ on how much using B frames improves compression. In practice unless you have really clean material they tend to be fairly useless and sometimes even harmful." |
04:51:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, fair enough. |
04:51:59 | Nimdae | hmmm...i haven't heard the disk spin up on my ipod (got it against my ear)...i wonder if it's even attempting to write |
04:52:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: In all honesty, I'm already at the "it's good enough for me" point with filesize and visual quality, so now it's just curiosity. |
04:52:42 | linuxstb | Same for me. I'm just interested in how encoding settings affect the decode speed. |
04:53:24 | Llorean | Yeah, to me the absolute most important thing is smooth playback anyway. |
04:53:56 | Nimdae | oh sweet, i crashed it again |
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04:55:52 | Nimdae | it was definately writing |
04:55:54 | Nimdae | heh |
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04:56:54 | Nimdae | 50 minute runtime, 90% to 60% |
04:57:32 | Nimdae | obviously not typical battery burn for music playback |
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05:16:53 | Llorean | Nimdae: The percentage doesn't decrease linearly though. For example, 90% to 10% on my nano is about 3:30, but I get about 5 or 6 hours playback time on it total. |
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05:19:00 | Nimdae | well, this isn't exactly playback either |
05:19:17 | Nimdae | i get a LOT more time on playback from 90 to 60 |
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05:19:37 | Nimdae | remember, we're getting a comparison on battery drain between boost and non-boost |
05:19:47 | Nimdae | and the fire pluggin is cpu intensive |
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05:27:10 | Llorean | Nimdae: Aye, it really doesn't matter what real percent of your time it is, as long as the 90% and the 60% represent the same voltages for the two tests. |
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06:04:38 | neutralrobotboy | is there anyone in here who can answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port? |
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06:26:26 | JdGordon | anyone know a good linux coolmon replacement? |
06:27:00 | Nimdae | what's coolmon? |
06:27:10 | JdGordon | shows computer stats on the desktop |
06:27:12 | JdGordon | among other things... |
06:27:44 | Nimdae | that looks absurd |
06:27:53 | Nimdae | gkrellm? |
06:28:13 | Nimdae | oh, that's windows |
06:28:14 | Nimdae | wtf |
06:28:20 | Nimdae | (coolmon, not gkrellm) |
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06:49:10 | scorche | lovely name, sit |
06:49:13 | scorche | errr..sir |
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06:51:26 | rockboxsucks | rockbox is shit |
06:51:33 | rockboxsucks | linux ALL THE WAY |
06:52:21 | rockboxsucks | rockbox sucks 2 much battery and allu can do is play ur shit songs and look at your gay xobox piece of crap |
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06:52:33 | JdGordon | bye bye :D |
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06:53:29 | scorche | ipl suck up less battery?...heh |
06:53:40 | daurnimator | wtf do you expect to do with a music player besides play your music :S |
06:54:02 | daurnimator | and how do you play your xbox with your ipod :D |
06:55:09 | scorche | meh...no use in disclaiming everything as false even if it is...he was just a troll =/ |
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06:55:51 | trypt0_ | /sigh he should code it himself |
06:56:05 | scorche | i very much doubt he would have the ability |
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06:59:03 | Mouser_X | Well, what I can't understand, is why you'd want Linux on the iPod anyway... |
06:59:09 | Mouser_X | Seems like a waste to me. |
06:59:52 | Mouser_X | There's plenty of other devices that get you more for your money, run better, and have better features, and use Linux natively, without having to change anything at all. |
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07:00:20 | Mouser_X | And, especially on a portable media player... Don't people buy those things to listen to music? |
07:00:38 | Mouser_X | What, do you plan on typing up an essay for school on your iPod? |
07:00:41 | Mouser_X | ... |
07:00:48 | Mouser_X | Sure seems like the way to go to me... |
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07:01:03 | Mouser_X | Just saying, is all. |
07:01:13 | scorche | it is just the kernel....not a whole OS like that.. |
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07:03:23 | Mouser_X | So, how is that even useful? |
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07:05:03 | scorche | it require |
07:05:06 | scorche | errr....mt |
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07:24:31 | Nimdae | aww llorean isn't here |
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07:26:06 | scorche | what did you need him for? |
07:26:28 | Nimdae | so i did this test, used the fire plugin to create cpu load, and merged battery bench into the plugin (actually created a new plugin for it as to leave the originals alone), test was boosted and unboosted...battery drain from 90 to 60 is about the same amount of time at 30 mhz and 75 mhz |
07:28:03 | Nimdae | llorean was curious about that |
07:28:13 | Nimdae | i'll do full drains tomorrow |
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07:34:48 | neutralrobotboy | hey, can someone answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port of rockbox? |
07:36:48 | neutralrobotboy | i don't understand what exactly is not functioning in the current version of it. it says for example that "multi-codec audio playback with seeking support" is 50% done, but i don't really understand why or what exactly is missing. |
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07:49:44 | JdGordon | neutralrobotboy: it works fine.. dont orry about whatever said that |
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08:25:36 | Gon2 | ey |
08:25:40 | Gon2 | i gotta question |
08:25:54 | Gon2 | does ipod video 30gb 5.5g with rockbox use less battery? |
08:26:00 | Gon2 | or does it use more? |
08:27:24 | tychver | uses quite a lot more |
08:27:34 | tychver | battery life is significantly reduced |
08:32:50 | Mouser_X | I'm assuming that the iPod 5.5g lasts longer than the 5g, though, right? |
08:33:09 | Mouser_X | Or, I should say, am I right in assuming that? |
08:34:01 | tychver | iPod 5.5G has no advantages relative to the ipod 5G |
08:34:08 | Mouser_X | Oh. |
08:34:10 | tychver | other than a brighter screen |
08:34:30 | Mouser_X | I thought I read somewhere that the 5.5g had a bigger battery, or something to that effect. |
08:34:47 | Mouser_X | Guess I was either mistaken, or misunderstood what I read. |
08:34:51 | tychver | the 60GB/80GB versions have better battery life due to their larger batteries, larger and therefore faster discs and more buffer memory |
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08:35:45 | amiconn | The 60/80GB's harddisks aren't faster, and they consume more power when starting because they have 2 platters instead of one |
08:35:51 | Mouser_X | But Rockbox doesn't yet support the 60 GB, does it? (I know the 80 GB isn't supported, because Rockbox can't access the drive, for some reason) |
08:36:37 | tychver | that's true, faster=bigger only works for discs with the same number of platters |
08:40:20 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you there? |
08:55:35 | neutralrobotboy | hmm... ok. it says on the iriverh300 faq that video isn't really supported, and rockbox isn't tested with the korean firmware... |
08:56:31 | neutralrobotboy | anyone here with an iriver3x0 who's tried rockbox with the korean firmware? |
08:56:34 | EspeonEefi | Mouser_X: Rockbox works on the 60 GB version. |
08:56:53 | EspeonEefi | Mouser_X: The only recent iPod that Rockbox does not work on right now is the 80 GB iPod. |
08:57:24 | Mouser_X | Ah, thanks. |
08:57:51 | EspeonEefi | Mouser_X: Also, the 5.5G have slightly better battery life because their screens are both brighter and more efficient. Otherwise, they're about on par with the original 5Gs... |
08:59:33 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. I've been thinking of getting a 30 GB, due to pricing. |
08:59:54 | Mouser_X | I've found one (new, I think...) for $170. |
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09:00:14 | Mouser_X | Any idea what good price I might find a 60 GB for? |
09:01:30 | Mouser_X | ($170 is pushing it, for me... Though, I'd consider paying more than that, if the price is good enough [obviously, for a better model]...) |
09:01:48 | EspeonEefi | Mouser_X: Not sure. I haven't really investigated the market myself. |
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09:01:59 | Mouser_X | No problem. |
09:02:04 | Mouser_X | Just wondered. |
09:05:58 | BHSPitMonkey | yawn |
09:06:46 | Gon2 | [2:27am] <tychver> uses quite a lot more |
09:06:46 | Gon2 | [2:27am] <tychver> battery life is significantly reduced |
09:07:03 | Gon2 | so when i use rockbox with 5.5g ipod 30gb the battery life is less? |
09:07:14 | Mouser_X | No. |
09:07:26 | scorche | than stock firmware, yes |
09:07:35 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I misread what you were asking. |
09:07:49 | Gon2 | wait wait so which one is more efficient, rockbox or stock firmware>? |
09:07:54 | Gon2 | in terms of battery |
09:08:05 | Mouser_X | Yes, using Rockbox, as opposed to the firmware, the battery life will be cut in half. |
09:08:10 | Mouser_X | Or, thereabouts, I've heard. |
09:08:17 | Gon2 | oh |
09:08:17 | scorche | not that drastic |
09:08:37 | Mouser_X | Oh, well, I guess it depends on how you use it. |
09:08:59 | Mouser_X | That's what someone else told me, but I think they were doing a lot of disc reads with it. |
09:09:09 | Gon2 | which one has better sound quality |
09:09:12 | Gon2 | rockbox or stock? |
09:09:29 | Mouser_X | I'd think Rockbox, but I wouldn't know. |
09:09:36 | scorche | same quality...just plenty more options to change how it sounds in rockbox |
09:09:49 | Gon2 | oh ok |
09:09:50 | Gon2 | thx |
09:10:06 | Mouser_X | Rockbox has a much wider range of supported formats, as well. |
09:10:20 | BHSPitMonkey | woah, you tricked me Mouser_X |
09:10:25 | BHSPitMonkey | I thought I was in usf |
09:10:28 | Mouser_X | OGG, MP3, FLAC, ADX, NSF, SPC (supposedly). |
09:10:43 | Mouser_X | (SPC, supposedly) |
09:10:52 | scorche | there are much more than that |
09:10:56 | scorche | see the site for the list |
09:10:58 | Mouser_X | Well, yah. |
09:11:12 | Mouser_X | Not like I'd know them all off the top of my head though. |
09:11:21 | Mouser_X | Nor would I want to type them all out... |
09:11:33 | scorche | well, you started to.. |
09:11:43 | Mouser_X | Only the ones I'm most likely to use. |
09:12:38 | BHSPitMonkey | you shouldn't have used a period. |
09:13:02 | Mouser_X | And you should have capitalized your "Y." |
09:13:08 | Mouser_X | In other words, huh? |
09:13:42 | Gon2 | oh |
09:13:49 | Gon2 | thx pplz |
09:14:13 | Mouser_X | Glad to help (if I did). |
09:14:20 | scorche | not really ;) |
09:14:26 | Mouser_X | ... |
09:14:30 | Mouser_X | I tried. |
09:14:37 | scorche | jees....i kid i kid.... |
09:14:53 | Mouser_X | I figured. |
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09:15:09 | Mouser_X | Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have added "I tried." |
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09:56:26 | neutralrobotboy | i can't seem to figure out how to turn my iriver h320 off after flashing it with rockbox. |
09:56:41 | neutralrobotboy | anyone got ideas better than letting it idle? |
09:58:27 | tsuyoshi | hm.. so I am reading the pp5024 data sheet and it says "integrated 128kb of sram" |
09:58:45 | tsuyoshi | is that just l2 cache or what? |
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09:59:43 | markun | tychver: I don't think it's cache but just fast memory you can use. In rockbox called IRAM. |
09:59:53 | markun | tsuyoshi: that was for you.. |
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10:01:04 | tychver | I meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up |
10:01:34 | markun | compared to ~30MB SDRAM? |
10:01:57 | markun | there are far better uses for it |
10:04:38 | tychver | better than needing to spin the disk up less than half as often? |
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10:05:48 | markun | yes, using IRAM for often used parts of the codec makes the music decoding fast enough to real time |
10:05:58 | markun | without it you would have skipping all the time |
10:07:00 | tychver | yes which is why by doubling the memory and keeping the same size/length decoding buffer you only need to spin the disc up less than half as much |
10:07:17 | markun | doubling? |
10:07:43 | markun | 30MB + 128KB isn't doubling |
10:08:15 | tychver | the 60GB has 60MB of RAM |
10:08:31 | tychver | the 30 has 30 |
10:08:53 | markun | yes, it has 64, so probably uses about 62 for the buffer |
10:08:58 | jeffb | is there a list of stuff that needs development resources for rockbox? |
10:09:22 | jeffb | (other than the 80gb task) |
10:09:46 | tychver | if you mean by loading 62MB of audio into the RAM ready to be decoded then yes it does |
10:10:03 | tychver | the processor cache is used on in the decoding process |
10:10:22 | markun | tychver: I think I'm confused with the conversation I head with tsuyoshi ;) |
10:10:33 | tychver | fair enough :P |
10:11:01 | markun | what was "I meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up" refering to? |
10:11:23 | tychver | to be honest I've already forgotten |
10:12:16 | markun | so are you asking how to use the max amount of buffer on the ipod video 60GB? |
10:12:17 | tychver | oh, right, the more RAM in the larger sizes of 5/5.5G iPods |
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10:12:32 | Mouser_X | Other than the Archos player, what does Rockbox run on the best? |
10:12:54 | Mouser_X | Most stabily, best battery life, that sort of thing. |
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10:12:59 | markun | Mouser_X: irive H120 maybe |
10:13:20 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. Those are becoming hard to come by, I think. |
10:13:34 | Mouser_X | Can you change/upgrade the HDD on those? |
10:13:53 | Mouser_X | (I don't know if they have a 30GB version) |
10:14:12 | markun | Mouser_X: (advertisement alert) the Gigabeat F and X also run pretty well :) |
10:14:25 | Mouser_X | Ah, I wasn't aware of that... |
10:14:45 | Mouser_X | I thought gigabeat support was still in the works (moreso than iPod, I mean). |
10:15:39 | markun | it is, but progressig quickly |
10:16:10 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
10:16:16 | tsuyoshi | oh.. so how do you access this iram? is it just at a particular address? |
10:16:38 | * | Mouser_X will look into it more later... |
10:16:42 | tsuyoshi | must be |
10:16:43 | markun | Mouser_X: Someone did a battery test and he got 13 hours on an old battery (the original firmware can run up to 16 hours with a new one) |
10:16:49 | Mouser_X | Sleep is what I should be doing now... |
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10:17:21 | Mouser_X | K, that's good to hear. |
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10:18:13 | Mouser_X | I'll definatly keep an eye out for the iriver H120, and a Gigabeat (is there different kinds of Gigabeats, and if yes, what should I be looking for specifically?). |
10:18:38 | markun | Gigabeat S doesn't work, but it's the only one still in production |
10:19:23 | markun | X is the same as F, but slightly bigger screen (2.4" vs 2.2") and is a bit smaller |
10:19:48 | markun | compared to the iriver, it doesn't have recording and optical in/out |
10:20:05 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. So, avoid the "S," and look for the "X." |
10:20:14 | markun | but can playback video at full speed with audio in rockbox (not in the original firmware) |
10:20:26 | Mouser_X | Heh, that's good news. |
10:20:38 | markun | X is very hard to get. Only sold in Japan and Australia. |
10:20:44 | Mouser_X | Ah.... |
10:20:49 | tychver | and New Zealand |
10:20:49 | Mouser_X | The F, then. |
10:21:33 | * | Mouser_X searches Froogle for H120s, and Gigabeats. |
10:21:41 | Mouser_X | Not having good luck on eBay... |
10:22:22 | tychver | I should think the Gigabeat can playback video with audio at full speed, it has a 300MHz ARM9 |
10:22:29 | amiconn | markun: Speaking about the gigabeat - are there some installation instructions? |
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10:23:48 | JdGordon | amiconn: the only tihng holding back the cue support patch by Nico_P is its crazy mem usage yeah? |
10:23:49 | markun | amiconn: yes. hotwire moved them here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
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10:28:35 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: hey, did you see my reply on the forums? |
10:29:05 | amiconn | markun: Ok, so the upgrade procedure is similar to the X5 (just put the firmware file in a certain directory and restart) |
10:29:37 | amiconn | Does it get flashed, or is it loaded from disk every boot? |
10:29:53 | Mouser_X | markun: How can I tell the difference between the F, X, and S? |
10:30:03 | Mouser_X | (For the Gigabeat, of course.) |
10:31:14 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: Yes.. just read it |
10:31:18 | markun | Mouser_X: visually? |
10:31:33 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: So it was like this all the time... really odd |
10:31:42 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: yeah, i guess so |
10:31:51 | markun | If it says "brand new Gigabeat S30" it's the S series etc.. |
10:32:25 | Mouser_X | I've noticed that one, and figured that. |
10:32:35 | Mouser_X | Most of them don't say anything other than "gigabeat" and the amount of storage. |
10:32:46 | markun | Mouser_X: can you give me a link? |
10:33:04 | Mouser_X | http://www.pricegrabber.com/search.php?form_keyword=gigabeat&topcat_id=v |
10:33:14 | Mouser_X | Not the best one, but you get the idea. |
10:34:08 | markun | "MEGF20S" - |
10:34:12 | markun | = F20 |
10:34:28 | markun | the the last 3 are all F series |
10:34:35 | Mouser_X | Ah, thanks. |
10:34:54 | Mouser_X | They're all a tad more than I'd like to pay, but at least I know what to look for. |
10:35:12 | Mouser_X | I found a 60GB for $200, so I'd say that's worth it. |
10:35:20 | Mouser_X | It's out of stock, is the problem... |
10:35:39 | markun | I was told the F40 now sells for < 100$ in some places |
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10:35:57 | markun | That's even cheaper that the HDD would be alone |
10:36:00 | Mouser_X | Ooooh... |
10:36:12 | markun | Let me search for a link |
10:36:28 | Mouser_X | My prefered price is between $100 and $150. |
10:36:42 | Mouser_X | I'm willing to pay more, but $200 is pushing it... |
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10:37:06 | Mouser_X | Of course, being able to run rockbox is a must... |
10:37:08 | Mouser_X | :P |
10:37:28 | BHSPitLappy | indeed |
10:37:59 | * | Mouser_X should be in bed... |
10:37:59 | Mouser_X | :( |
10:38:16 | BHSPitLappy | I paid 275 for a new 5G with the apple wall charger |
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10:39:23 | Mouser_X | And I'm not willing to pay that much... |
10:39:46 | neutralrobotboy | the rockbox plugins listed in the manual seem to have not installed with rockbox. is there a way for me to get them separately? |
10:40:21 | amiconn | ugh |
10:40:41 | * | amiconn just found the (probably) most expensive mp3 player of the world |
10:40:43 | Mouser_X | ... |
10:40:50 | amiconn | http://www.alternate.de/html/productDetails.html?artno=KNAK4Z |
10:40:53 | Mouser_X | How much, and why so costly? |
10:40:55 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: an mp3 made of gold? |
10:40:56 | amiconn | (german page) |
10:41:06 | amiconn | TrekStor i.Beat Organix Gold |
10:41:11 | amiconn | 17999 EUR |
10:41:38 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: yes, I've seen that... but I think there's another one more expensive... one from Samsung, golden, too |
10:42:15 | Genre9mp3 | We should make Goldbox on these things :P |
10:42:26 | neutralrobotboy | oh, i see. they're in cvs but not the daily build for some reason. |
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10:42:37 | markun | Mouser_X: can't find where goffa bought his gigaeat so cheap. Maybe it was ebay after all. |
10:44:33 | Mouser_X | Heh. No problem. |
10:44:38 | amiconn | No gigabeats in german web shops, it seems |
10:44:49 | Mouser_X | Found a 40GB for less than $170. |
10:44:55 | Mouser_X | In stock, as well. |
10:45:06 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: No, you are right, this Trekstor is way more expensive than the gold Samsung |
10:45:25 | Mouser_X | markun: So, in comparison to the iPod, how is Rockbox fairing on the Gigabeat? |
10:45:28 | Genre9mp3 | here's a page for the gold Samsung (costs about $1000) : http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/05/samsung-pimps-out-18k-gold-yp-z5/ |
10:45:38 | markun | amiconn: I don't think the Gigabeat was sold in europe except for the UK |
10:45:45 | amiconn | aha |
10:46:40 | Mouser_X | markun: Or, should I join the #gigabeat channel for more info? |
10:46:45 | markun | Mouser_X: I should fill in the comparison chart |
10:47:06 | Mouser_X | I saw that at one point, but I can't find it now... |
10:47:08 | markun | yes, you could come to #gigabeat, but it's a bit quiet at the moment |
10:47:15 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
10:47:38 | Mouser_X | Maybe later then, when I should actually be awake (as opposed to now, when I should be asleep). |
10:48:11 | amiconn | markun: Are there F or X models with more than 40GB? |
10:48:35 | Mouser_X | <markun> I should fill in the comparison chart −−> Link? I could have sworn I saw that at one point. |
10:48:37 | markun | amiconn: yes, both have a 60GB version |
10:49:20 | Mouser_X | amiconn: I found a 60GB version, but it was out of stock. |
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10:49:28 | Mouser_X | Decent price, too. |
10:50:07 | Mouser_X | (I'm pretty sure it was one of the F or X series, anyway.) |
10:50:07 | amiconn | hmm |
10:50:28 | markun | Mouser_X: WhyRockbox has a chart, but I don't think I was looking for that one |
10:50:39 | * | amiconn either needs to get wav / aiff (and hopefully flac) working on archos soon, or get an 80GB 1.8" hdd to put into his H140 |
10:51:01 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
10:51:32 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
10:51:43 | Mouser_X | Though, it's not the one I saw... |
10:51:45 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: the first way is costless, the second way is effortless.. |
10:51:48 | markun | Mouser_X: neither chart tells you much how the targets compare to eachother.. |
10:51:57 | Mouser_X | The one I saw had battery information as well. |
10:52:20 | markun | amiconn: do you know which wiki page we are looking for? |
10:52:24 | Mouser_X | (And was displayed differently) |
10:52:31 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
10:54:34 | Mouser_X | That hasn't been updated in awhile, it looks like. No iPod 5gs on there. |
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10:55:33 | amiconn | Mouser_X: I can clearly see an iPod Video column... |
10:56:03 | Mouser_X | Heh. Silly me.. Semantics got in the way... |
10:56:11 | Mouser_X | Sorry about that. |
10:56:24 | Mouser_X | (I think semantics is the word I wanted) |
10:59:28 | Mouser_X | markun: I'm assuming that this isn't supported by Rockbox? |
10:59:30 | Mouser_X | http://froogle.google.com/froogle_url?q=https://usm.channelonline.com/magnumpc/storesite/Products/Overview/%3Fid%3DM003349839&fr=ABJqdO33mDYmJajhlClEv0lODPGiWGGrWCxdGNWQNlWkgm3wbPMuNZcAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en |
10:59:33 | Mouser_X | ... |
10:59:39 | Mouser_X | Sorry about the messy link. |
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11:00:34 | markun | Mouser_X: no, it isn't |
11:00:51 | Mouser_X | Yah, I figured as much. |
11:01:08 | Mouser_X | The thing said something about "newest addition to the gigabeat family" or something like that. |
11:01:29 | Mouser_X | Which I didn't see until after I posted the link. |
11:04:48 | Mouser_X | markun: If I wanted, could I simply buy a bigger drive later, and put it into a Gigabeat, and use the full thing? |
11:05:05 | Mouser_X | Or, will they only work with the same-size drive they came with? |
11:12:59 | * | Mouser_X goes to bed. |
11:13:04 | Mouser_X | I'll look into it more later. |
11:13:39 | markun | good night |
11:13:48 | markun | btw, I just filled out the dev chart |
11:15:18 | Mouser_X | Hmm? |
11:16:25 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
11:17:10 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
11:17:15 | Mouser_X | Nice |
11:17:52 | markun | I will add the X series too |
11:18:34 | Mouser_X | So, can you add a larger drive, later, if you wanted, even if you bought a 30 or 40 GB model? |
11:18:57 | Mouser_X | Well, upgrade to a larger drive, not add... |
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11:31:00 | amiconn | Well, in theory, if you find a way to physically place and connect another drive, it's even possible to add a (secondary) harddrive to a rockboxable unit |
11:31:30 | amiconn | ATA supports 2 drives per channel (master and slave), so this would just require some small changes to the ata driver |
11:32:33 | tsuyoshi | is that physically feasible though |
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11:51:36 | amiconn | markun: I'm puzzled about the CLIP() issue on gigabeat without volatile. There shouldn't be a problem with this block being moved as long as it's only moved obeying the constraints. |
11:51:43 | amiconn | I almost suspect a gcc bug... |
11:52:11 | amiconn | What gcc do you use for gigabeat? The same as for the other arm targets (4.0.3)? |
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11:56:50 | markun | amiconn: I use 4.0.2, but I think they others will be using 4.0.3 |
11:56:55 | markun | the others |
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15:33:44 | Soap | As I feared, switching from MPLL MPEG2 to MPEG1 gave only a 1% speedup in mpegplayer FPS. Cutting average bitrate 25% and going VBR gave only a 1% speedup - which I find the most disapointing result, as it suggests the decoding:displaying ratio isn't nearly as decoding heavy as I assumed. |
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15:53:30 | Soap | Gon2: You were asking seven hours ago about battery life on the 5.5G vs the 5G. ( Mouser_X you might also find this interesting) The 5.5G, according to Apple, has significantly longer /movie/ playback time than the 5th generation. When you look at the claimed /audio/ playback time, though, you will find that the numbers are identical to those listed for the 5th gen. This leads to the theory that the power savings is comming from one of two places 1 b |
15:53:30 | Soap | eing better useage of the Broadcomm chip (unlikely) 2 being less power hungry backlight. Since official apple testing procedure for audio playback time is done with backlight off, added backlight effeciency alone woud explain the longer video playback. ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all. |
15:54:35 | phrozen77 | Soap: how so? let the pod run a movie all the time? |
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16:00:51 | webguest49 | can one set alarms with the clock plug in ? |
16:01:00 | webguest49 | on targets which have rtc's |
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16:05:03 | Soap | phrozen77: "how so" what? |
16:05:20 | phrozen77 | -> "ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all." |
16:05:53 | Soap | just normal runtime tests (audio) to show that the 5.5 is the same as the 5 in that regard. |
16:06:31 | phrozen77 | mhm, will do so - next year ;) |
16:06:44 | Soap | A pair of tests, one in apple firmware, one in RB, so that we can judge the %. RB runtime tests alone don't tell us much as they can vary so much based upon the condition of the battery. |
16:07:11 | phrozen77 | Soap: no RB tests for me on the 80gb model :| |
16:07:12 | phrozen77 | yet |
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16:40:19 | Soap | dang. 4% speedup by dropping the B frames, but my encodes are still only running at 91% of the wiki encodes. |
16:40:47 | Soap | no change what so ever by switching from open to closed GOP. |
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16:47:51 | webguest99 | anybody here? |
16:48:11 | Genre9mp3 | 130+ |
16:48:23 | phrozen77 | :P |
16:49:19 | webguest99 | I've coded up the reversi plugin. In the plugins dir, I've created the subdir 'reversi' and placed few files there. How can I make them compile? |
16:49:58 | webguest99 | Should I make some entries in sources/makefile/smth. else? |
16:51:12 | Genre9mp3 | I guess you should edit apps/plugins/SOURCES for the plugin itself |
16:52:32 | webguest99 | In the sudoku subdir, there is a rather complicated Makefile. Should I also make one? |
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16:53:34 | webguest99 | Genre9mp3: sudoku is not mentioned in plugins/SOURCES. Is there some recursive logic in the build script that visits every subdir? |
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16:54:07 | Genre9mp3 | I have no experience on this to tell you the truth, I don't know what needs to be done when it comes to subdirs |
16:56:03 | markun | webguest99: look at SUBDIRS |
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17:00:52 | webguest99 | markun: aha! That's it! Now I have to create the Makefile. Any advices? |
17:01:44 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: ping |
17:02:19 | Mike_A | hello, i'm planning to buy iriver h10 and i'm wondering what is not finished yet since i've read on the site that h10 support is not complete |
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17:04:43 | Genre9mp3 | Mike_A: The main problems AFAIK is limited battery life and no FM Radio |
17:05:07 | Genre9mp3 | but I don't own an H10 myself |
17:05:29 | Mike_A | i can live with no fm radio |
17:05:35 | web-taz | aloha |
17:06:03 | Genre9mp3 | Mike_A: I'm sure there are more, H10 port is pretty new atm |
17:06:18 | Mike_A | basically i want a player with FLAC support, but all the new ones (cowons) which support it are a bit too expensive for me, so i wanna get a used h10 and put rockbox on it |
17:07:01 | Genre9mp3 | If you want to buy a used device why bother with H10 and not try to find an H300 or H100? |
17:08:04 | Mike_A | costs more |
17:08:08 | Mike_A | i'm really short on money |
17:09:22 | Genre9mp3 | Mike_A: A quick search on ebay gave me an h120 with $81 |
17:09:46 | JdGordon | happy new yea all |
17:10:07 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: Oh? It's 2007 there? |
17:10:21 | web-taz | JdGordon where are you? |
17:10:28 | JdGordon | australia |
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17:10:35 | JdGordon | 3am 1/1/07 here |
17:10:57 | Genre9mp3 | OMG! A man from the future! :) |
17:10:58 | heavenlyguy | hey wots up |
17:11:07 | heavenlyguy | how the new year look |
17:11:08 | heavenlyguy | lol |
17:11:15 | Nico_P | JdGordon: happy new year |
17:11:41 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P, did you see my comments on the wiki? |
17:11:55 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes, I also had a quick look at the patch |
17:12:00 | Nico_P | seems like a good idea |
17:12:08 | heavenlyguy | :D |
17:12:34 | Nico_P | but I think we'd actually need to store a second cuesheet in memory |
17:12:59 | Nico_P | to allow playing two in a row |
17:13:31 | Mike_A | Genre9mp3 - what's the difference between the models anyway? can't find info on anything except the h10 on their websie |
17:13:36 | Nico_P | i know that two in a row get mixed up |
17:13:41 | JdGordon | yeah, i think i agree.. what I tihnk needs to happen is we keep an array of pointers to cue_track structs, so we can have a max of say 99 tracks in say 5 cue sheets |
17:14:06 | Nico_P | i think we only need two |
17:14:18 | Nico_P | the current and the next |
17:14:19 | Soap | Mike_A: the H10 and H120 are completely different machines, all the way down to the processor level and all the way up to the screen. |
17:14:50 | JdGordon | yeah, well, 2 or more.. if they all come from the same array of structs there isnt really a problem with a number of cue shets that can be held at once |
17:15:22 | Genre9mp3 | Mike_A: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DeviceChart |
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17:15:42 | Nico_P | yeah but i think there will never be more than two cuesheets loaded at a time... i'll check that though |
17:16:34 | JdGordon | probably not |
17:17:11 | Nico_P | so maybe we could simply have two cuesheet structs |
17:18:37 | JdGordon | i dunno... im going on holiday on tuesday, so ill leave it up to you. I wanted to add that tho incase you didnt know how about buffer_alloc() |
17:19:17 | Nico_P | JdGordon: thanks |
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17:20:52 | JdGordon | and on that note... hapy new year all. im going to bed |
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17:22:22 | web-taz | at 3o'clock? lamer -.- |
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17:52:44 | xx | anyone around? |
17:53:38 | Soap | what's up xx? |
17:53:48 | xx | i had a few questions about the ipod nano 2G.. |
17:53:52 | xx | what encryption are they using for the firmware?, and what steps would I take to begin trying to learn more about helping get ipodlinux working on nano 2nd Gen |
17:54:10 | xx | (from a devel perspective) |
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18:02:32 | Soaa | hi everyone! |
18:03:17 | Soaa | i'm trying to add in pressure based scrolling speed for the gigabeat port, but i don't know which file controls scrolling speed |
18:03:21 | Soaa | anyone knows? |
18:13:15 | Soap | IANAD, but have you looked at the ipod patch for accelerated scrolling? It might offer some clues. |
18:13:32 | Soaa | hmm, i'll have a look, where is it? |
18:13:51 | Soap | one sec |
18:14:41 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5377 is an old one |
18:14:53 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 is the newer one |
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18:16:45 | Soaa | thanks, but it switches to pages scrolling instead of scrolling faster |
18:16:56 | Soaa | but i'll have a look at the modifies files |
18:16:58 | Soap | 5594 does? |
18:17:07 | Soaa | modified* |
18:17:08 | Soaa | oh wait |
18:17:53 | Soaa | hmm, sounds interesting |
18:18:00 | Soaa | i gotta go now though |
18:18:03 | Soaa | be back later |
18:18:10 | Soaa | thanks for the link :) |
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19:00:32 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: Pong |
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19:04:05 | Soap | linuxstb: the wiki encodes were made with which encoder? |
19:05:25 | linuxstb | mpeg2enc |
19:05:35 | linuxstb | mjpeg.sourceforge.net IIRC |
19:06:15 | markun | linuxstb: and the resulting movies play back faster than generated with mencoder and vlc right? |
19:06:22 | Soap | thanks. No matter what I do, no matter how I duplicate the settings to the best of my ability, I can not produce the framerates acheived by those wiki encodes. |
19:06:26 | linuxstb | In my experience, yes. |
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19:07:17 | Soap | even with ugly hacks to the mpeg stream, no go. |
19:07:31 | * | linuxstb hugs mpeg2endc |
19:07:34 | linuxstb | or even mpeg2enc |
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19:08:26 | linuxstb | It's very slow compared to ffmpeg, but it's my mpeg2 encoder of choice. |
19:08:47 | gopp | hey any here know |
19:08:52 | gopp | about ipods hold switch |
19:09:04 | Soap | linuxstb: do you recall the full command string you encoded with? |
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19:09:09 | gopp | this ipod works execpt the person who gave it to me |
19:09:20 | linuxstb | Soap: I gave you it last night... |
19:09:21 | gopp | has the missing white part and hold switch on top of the mini |
19:09:27 | gopp | it in hold mode |
19:09:38 | gopp | but for some reason |
19:09:38 | Soap | my bad then |
19:09:45 | gopp | it still works, but I can't take it off hold mode |
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19:09:47 | linuxstb | Unless you want my script that does the decoding as well. |
19:09:51 | gopp | is thier some apple ipod rerfence to thier hardware |
19:09:53 | gopp | webssite |
19:10:14 | linuxstb | Soap: I'll pastebin my script, one moment. |
19:10:27 | Soap | I can pull it out of the logs. |
19:10:28 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: a -write-firmware-bin option for ipodpatcher. tested it only once and it seems to work. http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=33 |
19:10:48 | gopp | any one have a good webpage on the ipod hardware |
19:11:48 | linuxstb | Soap: http://pastebin.ca/298183 |
19:11:54 | gopp | the hold switch on top is missing sort of damged |
19:11:57 | gopp | but it boots up |
19:12:03 | gopp | and it shows up in expoler |
19:12:09 | gopp | but it in hold mode |
19:12:44 | linuxstb | The hold switch is hardware - i.e. Rockbox doesn't see button presses if it is on. So I guess you'll need to disassemble and fix. |
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19:15:45 | gopp | linux the sliver switch is missing |
19:15:57 | gopp | it the top white part ans sliver switch are missing |
19:16:09 | gopp | so is thier like something inside the mini part |
19:16:13 | gopp | I move to take off hold mode |
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19:17:19 | linuxstb | I've no idea. |
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19:31:10 | Soap | unless I |
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19:31:48 | Soap | 'm missing something, which I likely am, that isn't the script you used, is it linuxstb? Doesn't that script output at a bitrate of only 100? |
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19:32:13 | Soap | mpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v |
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19:41:32 | linuxstb | Soap: Yes and no... Yes according to the manpage, but if you check the filesize of the .m2v files, the answer is no. |
19:41:43 | Soap | yea |
19:41:54 | Soap | the filesize is clearly 354 |
19:42:29 | linuxstb | The kbps I put in the filename is what I calculate from dividing the size of the file in bits by the duration in seconds. |
19:43:25 | Soap | I need to figure out what VBV buffer size mpeg2enc specified, for I can match mpeg2enc encoded file speed if I force a sub sized VBV buffer. |
19:44:08 | ctaylorr | heh...sounds like something I would dread maintaining. |
19:44:28 | Soap | and last question - I know you have many more important things to do - why did you choose -f 8 over -f 3? |
19:44:34 | ctaylorr | (wrong window) |
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19:45:26 | linuxstb | Soap: I can't remember if there was a specific reason. Probably just leftover from another encode script of mine - I normally use mpeg2enc to encode DVDs. |
19:45:56 | linuxstb | It's possible that -f 8 may override the -b setting. I should look in the source. |
19:46:09 | linuxstb | -b is maximum bitrate btw. |
19:47:00 | linuxstb | Soap: Yes, I was thinking that the video buffer size could be the important factor. |
19:47:31 | Soap | though -f 8 should set the buffer to ungodly DVD levels of like 500 |
19:47:51 | linuxstb | What is your buffer size? |
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19:48:05 | Soap | My -46 is encoding right now. |
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19:49:23 | Soap | I had most all at 224 before thinking that was the problem. I did one at 2 and it flew like the wind - but poor quality. If 46 is VCD standard we should be able to get away with 30 ish on 224x128 |
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19:53:19 | linuxstb | Seems video_buffer_size is 280 for -f 8 |
19:53:19 | linuxstb | Sorry, 230. |
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19:53:58 | linuxstb | bitrate is set to 7500000, but only if it hasn't been specified on the command-line. So it looks like it is aiming for 100kbps... |
19:54:42 | linuxstb | -f 3 (and -f 9) also set the video buffer to 280. |
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19:57:50 | Soap | dang, there goes that theory |
19:58:45 | linuxstb | But maybe you're right that the script I pasted isn't the exact version I used. It's possible I added in -b 100 as a test. |
19:59:37 | Soap | I don't see anything on the -D and -E switches in the man page either. |
19:59:59 | linuxstb | I also have a 4:3 version of the script, and that uses -q 6 instead of -b 100. |
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20:01:19 | Soap | the q settings also make it VBR, which would throw my current comparisons out the window, as I was only comparing average FPS over the first 70 seconds of the movie. |
20:01:21 | linuxstb | According to my local manpage, -D is intra_dc_prec (8..11) and -E is unit_coeff_elim (-40..40). |
20:02:25 | Soap | hmm, DC precision of 10. 8 is what my encoder defaults to on SVCD and 9 for DVD. |
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20:03:30 | linuxstb | The manpage says most commercial DVDs use 10. |
20:04:40 | linuxstb | (but 9 is the mpeg2enc default setting). |
20:06:37 | Soap | yea, I suspect the wiki ones are VBR, I need to find a program that can verify it. |
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20:09:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm certain they are. The more I think about it, the less I recognise that -b option... I'm sure it was just a more recent test. |
20:10:06 | linuxstb | i.e. I just used -q 6 without -b. |
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20:14:15 | Soap | All I've been able to verify so far is that using B frames in standard format causes about 4% speed reduction, all other things being equal, auto VBV works fine on a smart encoder, but a buffer too large is harmful. |
20:15:11 | Soap | forcing the VBV down to 46 did not give any speed advantage over "auto" but a 8% improvement over 224 |
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20:17:50 | Soap | it also appears the the daily build of the mpegplayer pluggin doesn't recognize a MPEG2 file encoded internally at 24 FPS but in which the header says "play back at 12" |
20:18:04 | Soap | for the frame limiter doesn't do anything on that file. |
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20:20:29 | Soap | open vs. closed GOP makes no speed difference. |
20:25:28 | gopp | hey |
20:26:03 | gopp | any here knows what keep the ipod hold button closed when it don't have top bazzel |
20:26:39 | gopp | the top bezel is missing |
20:30:46 | linuxstb | Soap: If I understand my own code correctly, there is a frame period for each frame in the mpeg sequence header. This is what mpegplayer uses, so should be able to handle files with varying framerates within the file. But it doesn't look at any kind of header. |
20:31:06 | linuxstb | i.e. it keeps a running count of the total of the frame periods. |
20:32:15 | Soap | W/o proper stream diagnostic software I'm ASSuming the 12fps info is in the header as my encoder calls the setting "12FPS (24FPS internally)" |
20:32:44 | gopp | WOW |
20:32:45 | gopp | 8GB Compact Flash Microdrive available for ALL iPod Mini models. You can upgrade your existing 4GB or 6GB drive to 8GB with this product. |
20:32:57 | gopp | you can upgrade the mini to 8 gb |
20:33:12 | Soap | B |
20:33:42 | Soap | (pet peeve) |
20:33:57 | Soap | VLC plays back said file at 12FPS. |
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20:34:43 | linuxstb | Soap: Are you encoding and testing .m2v or .mpg? |
20:34:52 | Soap | m2v |
20:37:52 | tsuyoshi | soap: what are you trying to do again? |
20:38:28 | Soap | tsuyoshi: I'm trying to figure out how encoder settings influence mpeg playback. |
20:38:31 | Soap | speed |
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20:39:15 | Soap | though, the closer I look, it appears the 12FPS file has exactly the same number of frames as the 24 fps file, VLC is just dropping every other frame. |
20:39:46 | tsuyoshi | this is with mpeg2? |
20:40:02 | tsuyoshi | mpeg2 doesn't allow 12fps, technically |
20:41:21 | linuxstb | officially it doesn't allow it. Technically you can do anything. |
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20:42:41 | tsuyoshi | I suppose you could |
20:43:14 | Soap | and sub standard frame rates will likely be the only way to get full screen video running on the 5th gen screen w/o ungodly low bitrates. |
20:43:18 | tsuyoshi | but on a portable player.. you are better off using another video format anyway |
20:43:35 | linuxstb | Why? |
20:43:53 | Soap | not much is easier to decode than MPEG2 simple profile. |
20:43:54 | linuxstb | I mean, which format? |
20:44:11 | linuxstb | We have little CPU and little RAM... |
20:44:16 | tsuyoshi | what cpu? |
20:44:23 | linuxstb | (and on the Coldfire targets, slow RAM). |
20:44:50 | GodEater | is that just a function of coldfire, or is it just the coldfire targets we support used crappy ram ? |
20:45:24 | linuxstb | Either a 124MHz Coldfire, or a PortalPlayer (two 75MHz arm7tdmi cores), or now a 300MHz ARM9 (Gigabeat - a different beast altogether). |
20:45:24 | tsuyoshi | a 100 mhz arm should be good enough to decode a 15 fps mpeg4 stream |
20:45:35 | linuxstb | We want a 30fps stream... |
20:45:42 | linuxstb | On a 75mhz arm... |
20:45:42 | tsuyoshi | I thought portalplayer was 100mhz |
20:46:57 | tsuyoshi | hmm |
20:47:02 | linuxstb | Rockbox runs the PPs at a maximum of 75MHz. I think the PP5022 (in the 2nd gen ipod mini) can run faster, but that has a greyscale LCD, so isn't a target for mpegplayer. |
20:47:09 | * | GodEater points out we're doing it on undocumented CPUs as well |
20:47:18 | Soap | regardless, mpeg4 gives you decreased file sizes at the expense of CPU. most DAPs have plenty of file storage ability, but lack in the CPU department. |
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20:48:31 | linuxstb | But I'm sure someone will port an mpeg4 decoder to Rockbox (e.g. a gigabeat user), and then we can compare. |
20:49:02 | tsuyoshi | well.. as soon as we get audio working on the sansa, I intend to port it |
20:49:28 | tsuyoshi | but if the cpu is only 75 mhz, that would be a problem |
20:49:35 | linuxstb | You don't need audio to start porting a video codec... |
20:49:48 | GodEater | especially not for people that can lipread :) |
20:49:50 | tsuyoshi | yeah but audio is more important than video to me |
20:49:58 | tsuyoshi | so I want to get that working first |
20:50:05 | linuxstb | Are you working on the audio driver? |
20:50:10 | tsuyoshi | not yet |
20:50:25 | tsuyoshi | I'm still learning arm assembly |
20:50:38 | tsuyoshi | so I can understand the firmware disassembly |
20:50:39 | Soap | ahh, the sub frame rate videos TMPEGenc creates are made with duplicate frames. 12fps = doubled frames. 6fps = quaded frames. |
20:51:12 | tsuyoshi | hmm.. if there are two cpus |
20:51:24 | tsuyoshi | then that's really more like 150 mhz, isn't it |
20:51:37 | linuxstb | If you can use them efficiently, yes. |
20:51:43 | tsuyoshi | video decoding isn't terribly difficult to parallelize |
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20:52:44 | linuxstb | The problem on the PPs is cache coherency between the two cores - the caches are independent. |
20:55:05 | tsuyoshi | how much control do we have over the cache? |
20:56:06 | linuxstb | We don't know much about it at the moment, but I think dan_a and others are discovering things... |
20:57:13 | linuxstb | But I think we can invalidate and flush it. |
20:57:33 | gopp | wow I didn't know you could upgrade ipod mini to 8 gigs |
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21:05:30 | Soap | there is a patch (I think in the tracker) to allow you to run a mini off of a compact flash card. |
21:06:06 | linuxstb | I think it's in the wiki |
21:06:22 | linuxstb | The Doom author put one in his mini IIRC. |
21:06:27 | linuxstb | s/Doom/rockdoom/ |
21:07:47 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF |
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21:08:32 | webguest87 | can anyone help me with installation |
21:08:53 | webguest87 | uh |
21:09:05 | webguest87 | what |
21:09:16 | webguest87 | oh there it goes. delayed posting |
21:09:41 | linuxstb | What device do you have? |
21:10:00 | webguest87 | ipod video 30g |
21:10:07 | linuxstb | And what's the problem? |
21:10:42 | webguest87 | when im on the step to make a backup of the ipod firmware, it gives me a 40mb .bin file when it should be an 80 mb one |
21:10:48 | webguest87 | one sec, ill get you a jpeg of the dos |
21:10:50 | linuxstb | You posted in the forums? |
21:10:53 | webguest87 | yeah |
21:11:02 | linuxstb | The data error reading from the ipod... |
21:11:34 | webguest87 | yeah? is there anything i can do about it |
21:11:54 | linuxstb | Sounds like a Windows or hardware issue. I'm not sure what to suggest apart from trying different USB ports, or a different PC. |
21:13:03 | webguest87 | ok, ill switch around some cables and ports. i entered the right commands though, right? |
21:13:07 | linuxstb | You could also try skipping that step, but it means that if something goes wrong, you'll need to restore via itunes (which will wipe your music), rather than the easier restore operation of just writing that backup back to your ipod. |
21:13:30 | linuxstb | Yes, the command looks perfect. |
21:13:37 | Soap | 23 test files and all I can get is a 4% improvement over MPEG2 defaults. I'm off for the Holiday, I'll write up a wiki report on my tests eventually. |
21:13:52 | linuxstb | Are they all slower than mpeg2enc? |
21:15:07 | Soap | all my CBRs are slower than your VBR in the time frame I was measuring. I strongly suspect they will be nearly the same over the full length of the movie, I'll test that while traveling. |
21:15:44 | linuxstb | OK. Enjoy your trip. |
21:16:19 | Soap | if you want to test you could make a 354 one and compare it to the Q6 on the wiki. |
21:16:42 | Soap | but that's neither here nor there. |
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23:04:50 | Ghoulunatic | I need some more help with the Gigabeat version of Rockbox |
23:06:32 | Mouser_X | Then join #gigabeat |
23:06:51 | Mouser_X | Try typing "/join #gigabeat" without the " marks. |
23:11:50 | Ghoulunatic | ok I just typed that in... |
23:11:53 | Ghoulunatic | nothing |
23:12:06 | Mouser_X | What client are you using? |
23:12:21 | Mouser_X | Are you accessing the IRC from the Rockbox webpage? |
23:12:25 | Ghoulunatic | yeah |
23:12:32 | Ghoulunatic | I can use mIRC though |
23:12:34 | Ghoulunatic | whats the server |
23:12:42 | Mouser_X | That'd be why. It's not a full featured IRC client. |
23:12:46 | Ghoulunatic | gotcha |
23:12:53 | Ghoulunatic | irc.rockbox.org? |
23:12:53 | Mouser_X | server= irc.freenode.net |
23:12:55 | Ghoulunatic | ah ok |
23:13:02 | Ghoulunatic | brb |
23:13:04 | Mouser_X | NP |
23:13:32 | Ghoulunatic | maybe... |
23:14:06 | Ghoulunatic | ok brtb |
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23:14:20 | Ghoulunatic | there we go |
23:14:56 | Ghoulunatic | oh man, this brings me back a ways :P |
23:15:13 | Mouser_X | ... |
23:15:19 | Mouser_X | Haven't used it in awhile, I'm guessing? |
23:15:20 | Ghoulunatic | I haven't used IRC in ages |
23:15:26 | Ghoulunatic | yeah, like 2 years |
23:15:28 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
23:15:37 | Mouser_X | I haven't updated mIRC in about that long... |
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23:16:12 | Ghoulunatic | yeah, I don't even know what version I am running |
23:16:28 | Ghoulunatic | 6.12 |
23:17:05 | Mouser_X | 6.14 for me. |
23:17:20 | * | Mouser_X needs to check the batteries in his keyboard... |
23:17:27 | Mouser_X | It keeps not working... |
23:17:38 | Ghoulunatic | hmm..yeah |
23:17:49 | Ghoulunatic | thats the only thing I don't like about wireless stuff |
23:22:04 | Ghoulunatic | ok, I'm not getting much of a rise out of the Gigabeat channel |
23:22:14 | Ghoulunatic | I just need to know where to find the bootloader for it |
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23:35:45 | xx | linuxstb? |
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23:44:25 | Inf0r | sansa m240 and wanting to play flac. rockbx not supporting this player yet? |
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