#rockbox 2007-01-01

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#rockbox log for 2007-01-01

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00:04:43	GodEater	a shame - no amiconn :(
00:05:04	tvelocity	happy new year!!!!!!11one
00:05:31	tvelocity	(for those in the revelant timezones:P)
00:08:26	GodEater	one more hour to go here :)
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00:12:10	midkay	9 hours to go here!!
00:13:09	GodEater	well amiconn - when you get round to reading the logs - I've just had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine who used to work for Rio - back in the days of the Karma
00:13:20	GodEater	he says that one of their models used to do the same as the 80GB iPod - which is return IDNF for all ATA commands
00:13:27	GodEater	but it still DID them
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00:16:30	ydo	happy new year!
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00:51:46	linuxstb	xx: ?
00:52:26	GodEater	ah - I didn't know you cared :)
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00:57:13	GodEater	linuxstb, you close enough to the river to see the fireworks ?
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01:00:44	xx	linuxstb: do you think the encryption/decryption asm is on the flashprom
01:01:09	xx	(the 8MB one, not the 4Gbyte)
01:01:32	xx	and if so, how easy would it be for someone to remove this chip, and read the data off it
01:01:40	xx	s/easy/hard
01:02:16	GodEater	merry new year to all those on GMT
01:05:35	*	bagawk waits 8 hours for his new year
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01:23:29	linuxstb	GodEater: I'm in Barcelona, so can't quite see the river...
01:23:47	linuxstb	And happy new year to you.
01:24:13	linuxstb	xx: Impossible to say until someone has a look...
01:24:59	mickael__	this year sucked
01:26:56	xx	linuxstb: ok
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01:35:50	muesli__	damn..everytime i turn down the bass it freezes
01:36:01	muesli__	that never happened before
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02:07:39	XavierGr	Happy new year too all!
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02:08:34	markun	XavierGr: you too!
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02:29:04	XavierGr	thanks markun :D
02:32:56	*	myzar licks scorche, who probably isn't here
02:33:06	myzar	linuxboy!
02:33:10	myzar	err, linuxstb!
02:36:43	muesli__	mmh
02:36:52	muesli__	could somebody confirm
02:37:14	muesli__	that irivers are freezing while changing the bass value?
02:37:31	muesli__	(at least my h320 using experimental build)
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02:55:38	decayedcell	um
02:55:44	decayedcell	when im trying to compile Rockbox
02:55:47	decayedcell	in Cygwin
02:55:59	decayedcell	i get a command not found line 10, 13, 16 and stuff
02:56:11	decayedcell	seems to be referring to the spaces in the configure file in the tools directory
02:56:20	decayedcell	anyone else have this problem?
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04:36:22	Soaa	hello, is anyone available to answer coding questions?
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04:45:17	Soaa	hmm?
04:45:23	JdGordon	coding q?
04:46:13	Soaa	yup
04:46:25	Soaa	i'm trying to implement pressure sensitivity for the gigabeat
04:47:04	Soaa	i know list.c controls the scrolling, but having very little experience with C, my code miserably failed to compile
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04:47:48	Soaa	yeah, press harder, scroll faster
04:48:03	Soaa	the gb has 3 sensors, so i can use 3 levels of sensitivity
04:48:21	JdGordon	markun is your man for gigabeat... but the list control doesnt really work with acceleratio yet
04:49:16	Soaa	i checked out the iPod patch, but there are bits i don't understand
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05:37:35	adam1302	hi
05:38:17	adam1302	How do you patch a game?
05:39:21	scorche	same way you patch anything else
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05:40:59	adam1302	how?
05:41:15	scorche	see the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling
05:42:09	adam1302	ok thanks
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05:46:34	gopp	it
05:46:44	gopp	I would like to see rockbox for xm mp3 player
05:46:56	gopp	some how your team could make an xm player do more then it supposed
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07:41:55	Nimdae	happy new year yall
07:42:58	Soaa	happy new year nimdae
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09:00:50	midkay	NEW YEAR!!! NEW YEAR!!!
09:01:03	BHSPitMonkey	ok
09:01:59	Mouser_X	This is true, it is the new year.
09:03:30	JdGordon	bah, this year sucks... im sick of it already
09:03:47	midkay	now it is.
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09:04:01	Mouser_X	Well, it has been for awhile for me.
09:04:05	JdGordon	shuoldnt you be out partying or something?
09:04:11	Mouser_X	Me?
09:04:16	midkay	me?
09:04:20	Mouser_X	I don't drink, or smoke.
09:04:31	Mouser_X	Nasty stuff, both of them.
09:04:31	JdGordon	midkay
09:05:09	Mouser_X	Ah.
09:05:16	midkay	well, neither do i... "partying"? it's the new year, um, wooo.... i wouldn't really prefer to be partying right now, not at all.
09:05:34	JdGordon	haha... yeah that was my attitude last night also
09:05:46	JdGordon	although i did go see the fireworks so i guess i failed
09:06:11	Mouser_X	My attitude is "Hey, I have work off. Awesome!!!"
09:06:20	Mouser_X	Other than that, whoody doo.
09:06:28	JdGordon	work on nye? that sux... unless your getting 10x pay :)
09:06:34	midkay	haha. my partying currently consists of writing a new particle-ejection system for Fireworks.c!
09:07:00	JdGordon	haha
09:07:01	hcs	I was awakened by fireworks
09:07:13	midkay	now you can recapture that on your DAP of choice!!
09:07:13	JdGordon	midkay: add sound to fireworks :)
09:07:15	midkay	haha.
09:07:30	midkay	some crappy sound effects... recordings of me saying "POW." and "POP."?!
09:07:34	Mouser_X	What's fireworks.c?
09:07:42	Mouser_X	A Rockbox plugin?
09:07:42	midkay	a lovely little fireworks display.
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09:11:33	decayedcell	anybody here?
09:11:53	tsuyoshi	yes!
09:11:54	hcs	only the shattered husks of men
09:12:02	decayedcell	need help with compiling
09:12:13	tsuyoshi	yes?
09:12:14	decayedcell	getting error 127 with librockbox.a
09:12:28	decayedcell	AR+RANLIB librockbox.a
09:12:39	decayedcell	AR+RANLIB /home/felix/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build-dir/librockbox.a make[1]: * [/home/felix/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build-dir/librockbox.a] Error 127 make: * [all] Error 2
09:12:41	decayedcell	something like that
09:12:51	decayedcell	as described here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3074.0;wap2
09:13:25	decayedcell	im not quite sure why this error is coming up lol
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09:15:27	tsuyoshi	error in ar+ranlib? how odd
09:16:26	tsuyoshi	"something like that"?
09:16:39	decayedcell	well
09:16:41	decayedcell	exaclty that
09:16:44	decayedcell	exactly*
09:16:52	decayedcell	except the directory is different of course
09:17:03	decayedcell	same file, same errors
09:17:15	decayedcell	doing a make clean then make still makes it popup
09:17:47	decayedcell	brb dinner
09:17:58	decayedcell	i think it might be a cross compiler thing?
09:19:32	tsuyoshi	it seems to indicate thatbinutils isn't installed
09:19:41	tsuyoshi	so yeah, that's a cross compiler thing
09:21:09	tsuyoshi	no idea how you could get that far without binutils though
09:21:12	tsuyoshi	that's pretty weird
09:27:12	decayedcell	its coz
09:27:19	decayedcell	i manually moved arm-elf-gcc
09:27:28	decayedcell	to um
09:28:20	decayedcell	hmm
09:28:27	decayedcell	gonna follow that toolchain install thing
09:29:07	decayedcell	gah need wget or curl
09:29:20	decayedcell	don't think thats in the SimpleGuideToCompiling
09:31:20	decayedcell	CygwinDevelopment* i mean
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09:40:21	gopp	k
09:40:23	gopp	good night
09:40:29	gopp	happy new years
09:41:36	gopp	well did a temp job
09:41:38	gopp	on the ipod
09:41:42	gopp	it works
09:41:47	gopp	I figured out
09:41:59	gopp	some broke the switch on the hold part on the logic board
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09:47:39	decayedcell	ey is anyone here using Opera IRC to connect to this room?
09:47:57	decayedcell	because when I connect it says there aren't any rooms in irc.freenode.net
09:58:42	tsuyoshi	probably /list doesn't work
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10:21:03	decayedcell	hmm
10:21:06	decayedcell	built the Crosscompiler
10:21:10	decayedcell	still same error
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10:50:36	gopp	hmm
10:50:36	gopp	hi
10:50:44	gopp	hmm when i pluged
10:50:53	gopp	ipod after I booted in to rockbox
10:51:04	gopp	it won't go in to diskmode
10:51:08	gopp	the old version did that
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10:54:49	Llorean	gopp: Are you using an official build of Rockbox?
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10:58:41	gopp	yea
10:58:42	gopp	offical
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10:59:10	gopp	rockbox-ipodmini2g-20061231.zip
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10:59:25	gopp	bootloader-ipodmini2g.ipod
10:59:27	Llorean	And when you plug in USB (not firewire) what happens?
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10:59:49	gopp	it shows
10:59:56	gopp	usb cable
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11:00:05	gopp	but it then boots or should I say reboots in to rockbox
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11:05:06	Llorean	Strange
11:05:06	gopp	hmm
11:05:17	gopp	what the ipod command
11:05:17	gopp	for
11:05:23	gopp	diskmode
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11:15:50	gopp	strange no ipod shows up
11:16:04	gopp	in my computer and know it says it oh k to disconnect
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11:37:27	dan_a	Happy New Year, everybody (unless it's still 2006 in your time zone!)
11:37:52	pixelma	Happy New Year to all :)
11:38:38	markun	pixelma: to you too!
11:38:53	markun	dan_a: ah, and you too of course :)
11:39:10	dan_a	:)
11:40:47	pixelma	:)
11:42:38	pixelma	gopp: still having problems with disk mode on ipod? (I observed that too with daily builds from 28th December on - Mini 2nd gen)
11:42:59	markun	It was a good year for rockbox
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11:44:00	jba	hey gang
11:44:07	jba	linuxstb, i hear you
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11:44:20	jba	're making progress on video player with audio?
11:44:26	*	jba has been outa the loop for a while
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11:55:52	linuxstb	jba: Yes, I am.
11:56:22	jba	good stuff
11:56:25	decayedcell	woot
11:56:38	jba	linuxstb, is it being checked into main tree regularly, or not till you're done?
11:57:14	linuxstb	I'm hoping to check in the first version today.
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11:58:17	jba	good stuff means i will be able to get it down from work tomorrow (in 12 hours or so)?
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12:15:57	decayedcell	hmm wat export command do i put into cygwin to get the crosscompiler into my directory
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12:37:54	GodEater	decayedcell, you don't export anything to get the cross-compiler "into your directory" - you need to put it in your path. so "export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/cross/compiler"
12:38:11	linuxstb	decayedcell: I think the Cygwin install instructions in the wiki tell you how to do that.
12:38:35	GodEater	ah - morning linuxstb :) How's Barcelona looking this morning ? :)
12:38:51	linuxstb	It's afternoon, and it's looking fine.
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12:38:55	GodEater	it's beautiful in London - clear blue skys
12:39:04	linuxstb	More than one sky?
12:39:07	decayedcell	no they don't actually
12:39:10	GodEater	:)
12:39:11	linuxstb	I think you drank too much...
12:39:16	decayedcell	can I have write permissions to the wiki
12:39:20	GodEater	hahaha - possibly
12:39:25	decayedcell	need to edit
12:39:26	decayedcell	CygwinDevelopment
12:39:27	decayedcell	page
12:39:43	decayedcell	To successfully compile rockbox, the cross compiler directory has to be in your path. This is automatically done by the installation script.
12:39:46	linuxstb	decayedcell: What's your wiki name?
12:39:48	decayedcell	however if its not done by the script
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12:39:56	decayedcell	ChrisWong
12:40:14	GodEater	right - there's a pub calling to me that serves Steak and Ale pie...
12:40:15	decayedcell	user needs to type in export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
12:40:33	decayedcell	much cleaner way of doing it than editing the profile file
12:41:11	linuxstb	That's not cleaner...
12:41:34	linuxstb	But you have wiki edit rights now.
12:41:43	decayedcell	cleaner as in easier i believe...
12:41:49	decayedcell	thanks linux
12:41:58	linuxstb	But the user would have to type it every time.
12:42:12	decayedcell	hmm
12:42:29	linuxstb	environment variables aren't persistent.
12:42:33	decayedcell	but fiddling with the profile file gives some users a borked cygwin
12:42:51	linuxstb	Yes, if they use a broken editor. That should be mentioned.
12:43:13	decayedcell	ah ok i'll update that page with the info then
12:43:59	decayedcell	so which editor should the user use
12:44:11	decayedcell	i tried wordpad and that didn't work
12:45:09	GodEater	vi would be my choice
12:45:15	GodEater	or nano
12:45:41	GodEater	both of which are usually part of a cygwin install
12:50:52	decayedcell	hmm
12:50:52	decayedcell	nano isn't in the instruction
12:50:52	decayedcell	s
12:50:59	decayedcell	i'll add that
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14:02:02	pixelma	midkay:what did you do in plugins/SOURCES ?
14:02:23	midkay	pixelma: i had duplicate instances of fireworks.c..
14:02:35	midkay	took me ten minutes of experimentation to figure that out :)
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14:12:34	amiconn	linuxstb: 720 points...
14:12:55	midkay	you mean me? dammit. :(
14:13:00	midkay	oh.. no. whew.
14:13:01	linuxstb	Best score of the year.
14:13:51	midkay	linuxstb: so a fresh checkout and kernel_on_cop6.diff will result in a fully-working second-core-using mpegplayer?
14:13:57	linuxstb	midkay: Yes.
14:14:08	midkay	awesome.. i guess i'll try that before i go to bed.
14:15:09	JdGordon	good news everybody...
14:15:27	JdGordon	im going on holiday for a week, so you want have me breaking everything :)
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14:16:08	midkay	omg.. my new year's wish just came true!!
14:16:50	Everybody	yay
14:16:50	JdGordon	I aim to please
14:16:55	JdGordon	cyaz next week
14:16:55	Everybody	thank you for telling me this jdg
14:17:03	midkay	laters!
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14:18:54	midkay	Llorean came up with a VLC command as i recall? searches logs
14:19:24	Everybody	oh yeah rockbox broke
14:19:29	Everybody	being in this channel reminded me
14:20:38	Everybody	I installed one off the iriver community forums
14:20:43	Everybody	misticriver or summat
14:20:48	Everybody	yeah now it won't start up
14:21:42	linuxstb	JdGordon: I'm taking over that job...
14:22:05	linuxstb	I'm on Mac OS X at the moment, and the sims don't compile for me....
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14:27:09	midkay	oh no..
14:27:11	midkay	data abort.
14:28:29	linuxstb	That's fun...
14:28:51	midkay	only when i access the menu. hm.
14:28:52	linuxstb	Are you talking about mpegplayer?
14:29:12	midkay	nah, rockbox browser... launching a mpg file, i can hear the audio, but no video.
14:30:21	linuxstb	Which ipod?
14:30:26	midkay	5G.
14:30:58	linuxstb	Which mpg file? One of your own encodes?
14:31:14	midkay	yeah, i did it with VLC (llorean's batch file)...
14:31:32	linuxstb	Can you try one of the .mpg files at http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ ?
14:31:37	midkay	oh, sure..
14:31:45	midkay	make veryclean && make'ing.
14:31:56	linuxstb	I haven't converted them all to .mpg, but the smallest should play at fullspeed on the 5g.
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14:32:14	midkay	elephantsdream-q6-320x240-830kbps.m2v is just video, i guess?
14:32:49	linuxstb	Yes.
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14:37:07	midkay	k, let's try...
14:37:27	midkay	accessing menu still results in data abort.
14:38:04	midkay	elephants dream @ 176x128, i can hear audio, but still no video.
14:40:09	linuxstb	Are you using a recent bootloader?
14:40:20	midkay	how recent? probably not :)
14:40:43	linuxstb	That's a requirement of the kernel-on-cop patch. It also won't work with IPL's loader2...
14:40:55	midkay	nah, i'm using rockbox's loader.. hm. where's the latest?
14:41:08	linuxstb	Try installing one with the new ipodpatcher - see the IpodInstallationBeta page.
14:41:26	linuxstb	You shouldn't have to remove the old bootloader - just "ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" will replace it.
14:43:35	midkay	cool, at least a much simpler installation :)
14:43:44	midkay	now let me test again..
14:43:53	linuxstb	But still people find ways to mess it up...
14:43:53	midkay	menu works..
14:43:56	midkay	haha.
14:44:24	midkay	YAY!!!
14:45:28	midkay	having trouble leaving the menu though..
14:45:47	midkay	there it goes.
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14:51:17	midkay	linuxstb: so it works. :) nice job!
14:51:40	linuxstb	midkay: Does playing a second video after stopping the first work? My Photo (PP5020 - always troublesome) doesn't seem to like that.
14:52:12	midkay	let me try.. it acted a little weird for me at first...
14:53:20	midkay	yeah, seems fine..
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14:53:34	midkay	elephants dream has sync problems though for me, and the one i encoded is rather garbled.
14:53:47	linuxstb	Yes, sync isn't implemented.
14:54:13	midkay	right. so i guess all is normal..
14:54:14	linuxstb	Does your own encode playback OK on a PC?
14:54:27	midkay	yeah.
14:54:43	linuxstb	Audio is 44.1KHz?
14:55:26	midkay	hrm.. VLC isn't saying..
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14:55:48	linuxstb	Does your encoding command-line mention audio samplerate?
14:56:13	midkay	llorean's batch file has "samplerate=44100" in it..
14:56:33	linuxstb	OK, so it should be fine - assuming that's all vlc needs.
14:56:39	midkay	dunno if that would be related.. audio sounds fine, video's just.. weirdish.
14:57:07	midkay	blocky, green squares and lines, etc.
14:57:10	linuxstb	What resolution did you encode at?
14:57:28	midkay	320*240
14:57:42	linuxstb	Optimistic...
14:57:50	midkay	haha. yeah.
14:57:55	midkay	just wanted to give it a go.
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14:58:25	midkay	i'll try smaller.. 224x176
14:59:34	midkay	hmm.. Rockbox seems to not have USB detection with the kernel_on_cop patch.
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15:02:45	midkay	Limit FPS seems to sync up the audio well enough...
15:03:09	linuxstb	Yes, that helps...
15:03:35	linuxstb	Skip frames should be enabled as well. I've changed that slightly, so it now always shows at least 1 frame out of every 10 decoded.
15:03:41	Genre9mp3	Yay! Happy New year with fireworks plugin! :)
15:03:41	dan_a	midkay: I don't see anything in kernel_on_cop that should break USB detection
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15:04:12	linuxstb	dan_a: I think I had problems with that as well...
15:04:20	midkay	linuxstb: oh, cool.. still runs pretty smoothly with skip frames but that also seems to fix sync..
15:04:35	midkay	Genre9mp3: haha. having fun? :D
15:04:37	linuxstb	pixelma also reported USB problems with recent builds - without the COP patch.
15:04:50	midkay	dan_a: dunno why, rockbox doesn't seem to detect USB in any way.
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15:05:03	midkay	worked for me with the same build sans patch.
15:05:19	dan_a	I'll look into it... but not today!
15:05:41	midkay	haha.
15:05:48	Genre9mp3	midkay: Just woke up and read the CVS table.... I'm about to give it a go :)
15:06:43	midkay	Genre9mp3: haha, ah.. i manage to have some fun with it.. tweaking settings. :) need a preset saver/loader now!
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15:08:09	pixelma	I had problems with automatically booting into disk mode with recent daily builds and at least one CVS build - it detected USB (rockbox got stuck displaying the current USB logo) but I thought it's because of the server problems (somehow) because everything worked fine when building my own with the same soure...
15:08:29	pixelma	*source
15:09:40	*	Genre9mp3 wonders if pixelma has her backlit Ondio in hands
15:10:22	pixelma	I do :)
15:11:26	Genre9mp3	great! :) I'm all jealous now...
15:14:58	*	Genre9mp3 fires up fireworks :)
15:16:18	Genre9mp3	woo... auto-fire :)
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15:22:30	THB	hey guys
15:22:36	THB	happy new year
15:22:50	THB	was given a dead 4g greyscale ipod
15:23:01	THB	just repaired it and whacked rockbox on there
15:23:08	THB	very impressed so far
15:23:23	THB	are ther many plugins for a 4g b&w ipod?
15:23:24	amiconn	Nice to hear
15:23:46	THB	I noticed a gameboy emu and a doom port
15:23:57	THB	any chance they will work on my ipod?
15:24:08	amiconn	If you are interested in improving the grayscale library (used e.g. by the jpeg viewer) and can compile yourself, you could help by running a test plugin
15:24:24	THB	there is a jpeg viewer?
15:24:26	THB	;)
15:24:40	amiconn	Yes, using 33 shades of grey
15:24:57	amiconn	(on a display that just offers 4 shades of grey natively)
15:25:05	THB	nice
15:25:13	amiconn	Doom uses the same trick
15:25:14	THB	is that part of the default build?
15:25:17	amiconn	yes
15:25:18	THB	oh I see
15:25:22	decayedcell	yay mpegplayer working
15:25:27	decayedcell	slow but working
15:25:32	THB	hmm, very new to all this
15:25:41	linuxstb	decayedcell: On what player?
15:25:47	THB	just managed to get it to initialise my database
15:25:56	THB	how do I load up jpegs?
15:25:58	decayedcell	the new one that was put into CVS
15:26:02	decayedcell	just then
15:26:13	THB	and where is a good place to download plugins such as doom and the GB emu?
15:26:13	linuxstb	decayedcell: I mean what mp3 player do you have?
15:26:38	decayedcell	oh 5.5G 30GB iPod Video
15:26:49	decayedcell	hmm
15:26:54	decayedcell	when skip frames is enabled
15:26:55	dionoea	THB: some links to wads for doom are listed on the wiki
15:27:03	decayedcell	the menu button doesn't work
15:27:07	dionoea	and for gameboy roms i guess that you could use google
15:27:13	decayedcell	thus can't change settings
15:27:30	linuxstb	decayedcell: Yes, don't expect anywhere near decent performance on the 5g from mpegplayer.
15:27:48	decayedcell	yes i know its early code
15:27:56	linuxstb	But I'll look into the non-working menu.
15:28:01	linuxstb	decayedcell: I mean ever.
15:28:28	decayedcell	hmm ok and this is because
15:28:56	dionoea	lcd is too slow/big ?
15:28:58	linuxstb	Large LCD means lots of data to decode. mpegplayer only uses the main CPU, not the video processor present in the 5g.
15:29:09	decayedcell	ah i see
15:29:28	decayedcell	still, it works :P
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15:29:50	linuxstb	Although _maybe_ we can get > 20fps out of it with a lot of work. But main CPU can never compete with the Broadcom chip.
15:29:51	midkay	someone's gotta discover how to work the video processor!
15:30:08	linuxstb	That will be a different project to mpegplayer though.
15:30:13	decayedcell	seems like the only way to turn off the mpegplayer is to menu + centre button
15:30:26	midkay	nods
15:30:30	THB	dionoea: could you give me a link to the wiki? the documentation wiki from the main page is not bringing up anything for gameboy
15:30:34	decayedcell	all the buttons don't work when frame skip is enabled
15:31:19	decayedcell	anyway thanks for the new code i should get to sleep 1:30 am here
15:33:00	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: videos on PP targets without the kernel_on_cop_6.diff have sound now?
15:33:13	linuxstb	Genre9mp3: Yes.
15:33:21	Genre9mp3	ok
15:33:36	linuxstb	But it's very slow without that patch - H300 speeds :)
15:33:38	amiconn	linuxstb: Do you know whether it works on coldfire targets?
15:33:55	linuxstb	It should be - at least an earlier version of the patch did.
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15:34:28	amiconn	I guess the speed difference with sound vs. without sound isn't that big on coldfire
15:34:47	linuxstb	I think it goes from something like 18fps down to 12fps.
15:35:08	linuxstb	That was with kiram's optimisations and a smaller-than-lcd video I think.
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15:35:33	linuxstb	(and a 170kbps VBR MP3 audio track)
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15:36:56	linuxstb	Genre9mp3: But obviously the kernel_on_cop patch is recommended on PP targets...
15:37:16	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: Yes, I understand
15:38:01	dionoea	what does the kernel on cop patch do ?
15:38:14	dionoea	just run the kernel on the cop instead of the cpu ?
15:38:16	dan_a	dionoea: It runs a kernel on the COP
15:38:22	dan_a	as well as the CPU
15:38:43	dan_a	It means that you can start threads on either processor
15:38:46	dionoea	so parts run on the CPU and parts on the COP? (or you have two kernels runing?)
15:38:51	dionoea	oh ok
15:39:10	THB	which plugin lets me load jpgs?
15:39:26	THB	found the doom plugin, wads just go in root?
15:39:34	linuxstb	From the file browser, just select a .jpg file.
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15:39:55	linuxstb	(it's a viewer, so isn't in the plugin menu).
15:40:04	THB	oh, I have mine on database mode
15:40:15	THB	how do I get back to the fileviewer?
15:40:57	linuxstb	Change the "show files" option to either "all" or "supported".
15:41:09	THB	ah sorted
15:41:10	THB	thanks
15:41:42	THB	hah
15:41:43	THB	cool
15:42:00	THB	reminds me of the amiga B&W high res scans
15:42:02	THB	:)
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16:37:42	neutralrobotboy	can anyone here point me to a resource that might let me know what's involved in writing a .rock plugin?
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16:39:27	neutralrobotboy	hmm... i guess people must be afk.
16:40:26	debauched_sloth	they are pretty easy to write
16:40:36	debauched_sloth	I would suggest looking at one of the existing ones and copying the code
16:40:57	debauched_sloth	that's what I just did and it was very easy to do
16:41:20	neutralrobotboy	i haven't even looked. are they written in c? i don't even know what language they're in.
16:41:29	debauched_sloth	yes, they are written in C
16:41:44	debauched_sloth	if you pull the rockbox CVS repository, they are in rockbox/apps/plugins
16:41:56	debauched_sloth	there are quite a few, so choose one which is close to what you want to do
16:43:03	neutralrobotboy	hmm... there isn't a cvs tarball around or anything, is there?
16:43:17	debauched_sloth	not sure, but pulling from CVS is just about as easy
16:43:53	debauched_sloth	see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
16:43:56	neutralrobotboy	ahh, there is one. starting on that.
16:44:20	neutralrobotboy	aha. thank you. i somehow totally missed that.
16:44:49	neutralrobotboy	it lists cygwin as a supported compiler. do you know offhand if anyone uses mingw?
16:45:06	debauched_sloth	no, sorry, I don't
16:46:13	debauched_sloth	not sure, but isn't mingw a windows only target? you need the cross compiler for your device
16:47:59	xx	does anyone know why the firmware on the 2nd Gen nano has all the data in there 4 times?
16:48:05	neutralrobotboy	i think that if cygwin can do it, it should be essentially the same for mingw.
16:48:29	neutralrobotboy	i'll take a look. i might keep them separate just to make sure i don't screw with my mingw installation anyhow.
16:48:59	debauched_sloth	good luck
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16:49:17	ender`	msys is a stripped-down cygwin, and all programs you compile with it target win32
16:49:39	debauched_sloth	ah, doesn't sound good
16:49:52	debauched_sloth	if you want to cross compile, that is
16:49:52	neutralrobotboy	aha. cygwin it is.
16:50:02	debauched_sloth	might also consider setting up a VM
16:50:07	debauched_sloth	if you maybe have one handy
16:50:33	neutralrobotboy	ahh, i read about a rockbox emulator, yeah...
16:50:49	ender`	it should be possible to compile gcc for another target and use it from msys, but it'll be much easier with cygwin
16:50:54	neutralrobotboy	i forget here that was. i'm looking at some code now and thinking about whether i actually would complete anything.
16:51:16	ender`	note that both cygwin and msys are slow
16:51:43	neutralrobotboy	i can live with slow. compiling one plugin over and over won't be too bad.
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16:54:20	neutralrobotboy	hmm... i think this is all academic. looking at some code here, it seems like i'd never get anything done.
16:55:09	neutralrobotboy	i've mostly been programming in python lately. looking at c makes me feel a bit ill. haha.
16:56:06	xx	C is straight forward ;)
16:56:07	xx	to the point
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16:56:26	xx	in my eyes, it can be read as english
16:56:40	neutralrobotboy	hehe. sounds like a c coder at heart.
16:56:50	xx	:>
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16:56:57	xx	i just got an ipod a few days ago
16:57:02	xx	2G nano ..............
16:57:14	xx	(2nd gen, 4gig)
16:57:21	xx	so i can't install any of this stuffs
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16:58:13	neutralrobotboy	shame. i have an iriver h320. i'm pretty psyched about rockbox.
16:58:28	xx	ahh, yeah
16:58:31	xx	looks cool and all
16:59:00	xx	i'm just playing around, trying to understand how the 2nd gen nano works .. but i am not getting very far.. i have no knoledge of this stuff
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17:08:49	neutralrobotboy	alright, guys. i think that's all i need to know for now. thanks again!
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18:21:10	webmind	happy new year
18:21:16	Juice^	happy new year =)
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18:34:28	Soap2	Since you need to be running a kernel on the COP to be able to run threads, is that going to be a disadvantage to IPL and their massive (relative to RB) kernel?
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18:37:47	linuxstb	Soap2; IIUC, the IPL kernel doesn't have any support for the COP, but they use it directly from userland applications.
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19:10:11	Juice^	netmasta10bt: you made that wps theme for the sansa right?
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19:24:32	cinch	hi
19:25:43	cinch	i'm having trouble with the forums, can't register
19:26:00	Nimdae	what's the error?
19:26:12	cinch	the register button doesn't do anything
19:26:22	Nimdae	what browser are you using?
19:26:31	cinch	tried it with firefox, opera and safari
19:26:51	Nimdae	are you referring to the register button at the top of the forum?
19:27:14	cinch	yea and then if you fill out the form, on the buttom the register button
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19:27:48	Nimdae	did you check "I Agree" after reading the terms?
19:27:54	cinch	yup
19:28:08	Nimdae	that's the only way i can reproduce your problem is leaving thta unchecked
19:28:35	Nimdae	ah, looks like leaving password blank does this as well
19:28:35	cinch	ah it works now, about an hour ago it didn't cool
19:29:16	cinch	ok and i'm trying to remove rockbox from my ipod nano
19:29:42	cinch	playback is very unstable
19:29:52	cinch	even though it's a 1. gen ipod
19:30:29	cinch	here's the error message:
19:30:44	cinch	ipodpatcher −−scan
19:30:55	cinch	..[INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano - /dev/disk3
19:31:05	cinch	ipodpatcher /dev/disk3 -w bootpartition.bin
19:31:22	linuxstb	Close itunes and type "diskutil unmount /dev/disk3s2"
19:32:57	cinch	ok it says now [INFO] Writing input file to device
19:33:02	cinch	looks good
19:33:39	cinch	where can i try out older builds?
19:33:50	Nimdae	you could try a daily
19:33:50	cinch	i've only found this page
19:33:56	cinch	http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodnano
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19:34:59	Nimdae	that's apparently an "old" build
19:35:16	Nimdae	at least, the only link i can find that refers to that url is called "old"
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19:35:30	Nimdae	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano-20070101.zip
19:35:35	cinch	yea old as in yesterday, already tried yesterdays
19:35:35	Nimdae	that's the latest daily build
19:36:01	cinch	is there one from let's say 3 months ago?
19:36:04	Nimdae	http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip
19:36:09	Nimdae	and that's the latest cvs build
19:36:15	Nimdae	i don't think so
19:36:27	cinch	hmm the current build is unstable for me
19:36:27	linuxstb	cinch: Older versions won't be better... What is your problem?
19:36:41	cinch	some mp3s have glitches
19:36:51	linuxstb	Have you read the FAQ?
19:37:04	Nimdae	what kind of glitches?
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19:37:24	cinch	it sounds like when you scatch a turntable
19:37:31	Nimdae	do they pause periodically? do they skip? do they have random audio artifacts, also called static?
19:37:35	cinch	flac's don't play it just skips to the next file
19:37:57	cinch	every 3 seconds or so theres a short glitch, but it plays further
19:38:02	Nimdae	s/called/referred to as/
19:38:21	Nimdae	are you using the eq?
19:38:27	cinch	nope
19:38:33	Nimdae	does it happen from a clean install?
19:38:41	Nimdae	as in don't even change the wps, use the default
19:38:47	cinch	haven't changed settings, just changed the theme to one without a peak-meter
19:38:59	cinch	yea clean install..
19:39:17	Nimdae	do the songs "glitch" on anything else?
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19:40:01	cinch	well the glitch was basically only on a 320kbps mp3, the others with vrb and 128k crb were ok
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19:40:43	Juice^	is there a tool for editing wps themes ? or do you need to type everything manually and preview it in example the simulator for previews?
19:40:51	Nimdae	but i think i remember there being some problems with 320kbps mp3s
19:40:57	cinch	hmm ok
19:41:06	cinch	and flac is broken?
19:41:19	Nimdae	flac has had some recent work on it, os the latest build may fix that
19:41:32	Nimdae	i can't really see the point in putting flac files on a nano though
19:41:35	cinch	even with flac compression set to 0 it doesn't play
19:41:47	cinch	true dat
19:42:28	cinch	oh and there's a ogg file that plays back quicker than normal
19:42:44	cinch	like it skips every other second
19:42:55	Nimdae	yeah, flac JUST got a fix commited yesterday, so i'd see if the latest build fixes it
19:43:05	cinch	ok ill check it out
19:43:10	cinch	thanks for help guys
19:43:35	Nimdae	i need to install the coprocessor patch and get the latest build to test the video playback :P
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19:46:01	dan_a	Nimdae: video should work without the COP patch - but at about half the framerate. I'm hoping to get the coprocessor patch committed before next weekend :)
19:46:19	Nimdae	sweet, the cpu scaling problem is fixed?
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19:47:22	Nimdae	speaking of which...when using the cpu scaling, if you scale it, does it scale both cores, or do you scale only one core?
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19:49:16	dan_a	Nimdae: That's the thing I need to fix. At the moment, I think that boosting boosts both cores. Hopefully at some point we will come up with a more battery-efficient way of doing things
19:49:53	Nimdae	well, what i'm really asking is...is boosting a single core all by itself possible?
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19:51:52	amiconn	Not independently afaiu
19:52:19	amiconn	The cop runs at the same clock as the cpu, but there's a "clock skipping" feature
19:52:29	amiconn	(which we need to figure out)
19:52:34	Nimdae	what's that do?
19:53:49	dan_a	1. Figure out how to do the clock skipping. 2. Figure out how to decide which core needs boosting
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19:56:16	Soaa	linuxstb! awesome job on video with sound. ;D
19:56:34	linuxstb	dan_a: I have a couple of problems, but I don't know if they are PP5020 specific. Sometimes the video thread doesn't start, and it never starts the second time... I think midkay tested it on his 5g, and didn't report those problems.
19:56:44	linuxstb	(my main testing is on my Photo).
19:57:04	linuxstb	Also, as I mentioned in flyspray, I have to disable CPU scaling completely for it to work at all...
19:57:10	Soaa	can't wait til rebuffering is in
19:57:36	linuxstb	Soaa: Happy you like it.
19:57:50	Soaa	hehe great way to start 2007 :)
19:58:21	Soaa	what's the best way to convert .flv's to rockbox?
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20:00:22	dan_a	linuxstb: Do you know if you have a main thread on the COP when the video doesn't start?
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20:05:52	linuxstb	dan_a: After I exit mpegplayer, the codec thread is still there, but I don't know if it's missing when mpegplayer fails to play the first time it's loaded - that's an intermittent problem. I'll try and find out.
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20:10:20	dan_a	I suspect that there are some issues with the order things are run in when we have both processors going. I had to run the frquency setting code from the COP in order to get a main thread on the Sansa (though I didn't test whether it was just calling it a second time which made the difference)
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20:18:20	Juice^	is there a limit of colors or a specific bmp format setting to use for the backdrop images?
20:18:44	linuxstb	It must be exactly the same resolution as your LCD.
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20:19:44	Juice^	yes, but except for that
20:19:46	linuxstb	And 24-bit.
20:19:50	Juice^	ok ok thanks
20:20:34	Juice^	im testing out the wps for my sansa e200
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20:25:01	Juice^	one thing that really sucks with the sansa e200 is the refreshing of the library taking ages at startup for the original firmware
20:25:19	ctaylorr	Hi. I was wondering if someone could have a look at FS 6486. Also, need we worry about including updates to the manual in patches or is the manual maintained entirely by core developers?
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21:24:51	Mouser_X	So, there's no program (other than a TEXT editor) to help make WPS themes/files/stuff?
21:25:01	Mouser_X	:(
21:25:29	Alexinc	photoshop
21:25:33	Alexinc	:]
21:25:35	Mouser_X	I guess if I want to make a theme, I'll have to download one that already exists, and modify it as needed.
21:25:41	Alexinc	not really
21:25:47	Alexinc	its actually really simple
21:25:50	Mouser_X	Alexinc: How so?
21:25:59	Alexinc	if you know basic html at all
21:26:03	Mouser_X	(For photoshop, and easyness)
21:26:07	Alexinc	then it should come pretty easily
21:26:13	Alexinc	photoshop for graphics
21:26:21	Mouser_X	Ah. I know a little HTML, but not too much.
21:26:36	Soaa	you can use text_editor within rockbox to code the wps, but it's longer and not recommended
21:26:44	Mouser_X	Ah. Well, I sort of figured for graphics. I'd be using Paintshop Pro though.
21:26:51	Soaa	that's good too :)
21:27:01	Alexinc	almost as good as photoshop
21:27:19	Mouser_X	There's a big difference. The one I have was free, and easy to get.
21:27:24	Mouser_X	Small as well,
21:27:47	Mouser_X	(I could get photoshop free, but I'd have to look for it, and the ones I've seen are huge...)
21:28:02	Soaa	Photoshop for free is illegal
21:28:13	bagawk	GIMP
21:28:15	Mouser_X	So is Paintshop Pro.
21:28:16	Soaa	PaintShopPro was free after some mail-in rebates though
21:28:23	Mouser_X	Oh.
21:28:23	Soaa	xD
21:28:28	Mouser_X	I didn't know about that.
21:28:37	Mouser_X	(Though, I don't think that quite counts.)
21:28:50	Alexinc	GIMP is the way to go ;]
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21:29:00	Alexinc	i still cant use paintshop pro
21:29:17	Alexinc	i find it such a... cheap rip off
21:29:20	Mouser_X	Also, the version I'm using is almost certainly old by now. It was given to me by my brother. Full install, no cracking or patching necessary.
21:29:24	Mouser_X	7.0 or something.
21:29:35	Alexinc	i use photoshop 7.0
21:29:39	Alexinc	i have CS 2
21:29:48	Alexinc	but i preffer 7
21:29:48	Alexinc	:]
21:30:01	Mouser_X	Ever find your finger?
21:30:03	Mouser_X	:P
21:30:22	Mouser_X	(You said you couldn't find it yesterday, while drunk, I'm assuming.)
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21:32:17	Alexinc	lol
21:32:28	Alexinc	i was like "what the hell i she tlakign about"
21:32:29	Alexinc	he*
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21:33:13	Mouser_X	Is it possible to do animations in WPS themes? Just for kicks?
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21:33:26	Mouser_X	Like, have something that's moving, just for the sake of movement?
21:33:50	Mouser_X	I'm assuming that animated GIFs aren't supported?
21:37:10	Soaa	you can make things move on WPSs with switching sublines
21:37:22	Mouser_X	Cool.
21:37:30	Mouser_X	I'll have to figure out how to do that.
21:37:33	Soaa	i'm not sure how that impacts CPU usage and battery life though
21:37:41	Mouser_X	When I get a portable device to try it out on, that is...
21:38:07	Soaa	ah
21:38:12	Soaa	you don't have one yet?
21:38:20	Mouser_X	Good point, of course. I'd try out different things to see what happens, and probably provide an animated, and non-animated version.
21:38:24	Mouser_X	Nope, I don't.
21:38:30	Soaa	ah
21:38:32	Mouser_X	I'm thinking about an iPod, or a Gigabeat.
21:38:49	Soaa	i recommend ol' gigabeat
21:39:01	Mouser_X	Yes, that's probably what I'll get.
21:39:03	Soaa	they're dirt cheap and have better hardware than iPods
21:39:29	Mouser_X	I might get the iPod though, because I can find one for less than $120, if I play my cards right.
21:39:31	Alexinc	i love my gigabeat
21:39:33	Soaa	linuxstb, i found a problem with your video player
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21:39:56	Soaa	it stops playing when the buffer runs out, that's one thing
21:39:59	Mouser_X	(I'd have to do some reselling, that's the "play my cards right" thing).
21:40:10	Soaa	but it crashes at the end if the video didn't fill the buffer
21:40:57	Alexinc	wheres all the info about video?
21:41:37	Soaa	none yet, it's all in linuxstb's brain
21:41:52	ctaylorr	Soaa: (and on cvs :) )
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21:42:31	Soaa	oh heck
21:42:39	Soaa	i need those bug fixes D:
21:42:45	goffa	paid $95 for my 40gb... sold that for $110... then bought a 60gb for $164
21:42:48	Soaa	and i don't know how to do it o.o
21:43:23	goffa	so $150 for 60gb
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21:53:07	Angry	@Soaa: CVS log: it will play longer files, but never refills the buffer when it runs empty
21:53:34	Soaa	angry: i know, but the shorter ones crash the whole thing
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21:58:08	linuxstb	Soaa: Shorter files play (and stop) fine for me. But once rebuffering is implemented, end-of-file handling should be more robust.
21:58:36	Soaa	good to know :)
21:58:44	Soaa	working on that now? ;D
21:59:05	Angry	I made tests on the H10 it works great... incredible fps
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22:00:06	linuxstb	Angry: Yes, it's even smaller than the Nano, which can almost manage 30fps...
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22:01:18	Juice^	http://home.no.net/juice3d/wip-plain-blue-sansa-e200.jpg
22:01:38	Angry	31 fps mostly
22:01:48	Soaa	odd though, my gigabeat can't handle 30fps?
22:02:08	Angry	the H10 has one of the smallest screens
22:03:38	Genre9mp3	Angry: Which H10 do you have? The 20GB or the 5/6GB?
22:03:38	linuxstb	Angry: I assume you know about the Limit FPS option?
22:04:15	Angry	Yes i know about that option... (6gb)
22:04:21	linuxstb	Soaa: Have you tried it? The only issue is that the Gigabeat's LCD only refreshes at 25Hz.
22:04:47	Soaa	oh, that must be why
22:05:15	Angry	The only thing i noticed is that i cant play a file twice.
22:05:24	Soaa	oh well, i have frame skip on and it still plays wonderflly
22:05:36	Soaa	oh really?
22:05:40	linuxstb	Angry: Yes, I get that problem on my Photo. HI have to reboot.
22:06:26	Soaa	no problems here o.o
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22:08:09	linuxstb	Soaa: It's a PP5020 problem I think.
22:08:26	Genre9mp3	argh...
22:09:23	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: With current CVS sound on videos is actually white noise on H300
22:09:45	Genre9mp3	This wasn't the case with the patch I tested before
22:10:38	Angry	maxwen reported that too for the iaudio
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22:11:01	Genre9mp3	So I guess it's Coldfire related
22:11:06	Angry	jep
22:11:32	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: Any idea why?
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22:11:47	muesli__	Genre9mp3 what is white noise sound?
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22:12:09	Angry	just strange noise like no radio station tuned in
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22:12:25	Genre9mp3	muesli__: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Whitenoisesound.ogg
22:12:30	Angry	^^
22:12:33	Angry	that was fast
22:13:00	muesli__	ah...fits to the movie "war of ants" ;)
22:13:32	tsuyoshi	my god the stock sansa firmware sucks so much
22:13:56	muesli__	http://www.spektrumdirekt.de/sixcms/media.php/395/200902_fernsehrauschen.jpg that one
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22:15:34	Juice^	tsuyoshi: indeed it does suck. i cant wait for the audio to work.. im not good at programming etc, so i've started with experimenting with the theme part for rockbox...
22:16:48	tsuyoshi	I've got an iriver ifp and the firmware on that one never annoyed me
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22:19:50	*	Genre9mp3 wonders where are all the H300 users complaining about videos without sound.... no one complained at MR about the white noise
22:20:25	muesli__	ppl are just happy about video progress :)
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22:22:48	ctaylorr	Genre9mp3: doubt many people even know video w/ sound is supposed to be working. it was just checked in a few hours ago.
22:23:28	Genre9mp3	ctaylorr: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50427
22:24:51	Goldmen	If I install rockbox on my 5G ipod will I still be able to play videos?
22:24:52	ctaylorr	Genre9mp3: I was thinking more about the rockbox website, but I guess ``the word is out''.
22:25:15	muesli__	Genre9mp3 wot do you think about that? http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=529542&postcount=30
22:25:27	ctaylorr	Genre9mp3: ^−− well, there you go...the floodgates are giving.
22:26:15	linuxstb	Goldmen: You can dual-boot between Rockbox and the Apple firmware. So you can play videos in the Apple firmware still.
22:26:25	Genre9mp3	muesli__: About 22khz/96kbit? AFAIK 22khz isn't possible atm
22:26:55	muesli__	its just an idea to push fps
22:26:57	Goldmen	Got it. One last question...is there a software to sync songs or is it done manually with rockbox?
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22:27:38	linuxstb	Genre9mp3: I've no idea what change could have caused that. Was the same .mpg file working before?
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22:27:56	linuxstb	And has anyone else tested mpegplayer on a H300?
22:28:03	Genre9mp3	well, even 64kbps would be possible, but there should be some tweaking for 22khz audio to work with video
22:28:13	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: yes, checked with same files
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22:42:43	Genre9mp3	linuxstb: I still have the previous patch in case you don't have it anymore and want to check what have you changed since then
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22:44:52	linuxstb	Genre9mp3: Thanks, but I have that. I can't investigate now, but will do.
22:45:00	Genre9mp3	ok
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22:52:56	Juice^	im trying to fetch the cvs. just installed cygwin and all. but having an error
22:53:21	Juice^	http://rafb.net/p/3XeuZs90.html
22:53:58	ctaylorr	Juice^: just create an empty .cvspass file
22:54:00	ctaylorr	Juice^: touch ~/.cvspass
22:55:27	Juice^	ok
22:55:50	Juice^	thanks
22:56:17	ctaylorr	Juice^: np
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23:07:50	Juice^	im wondering why the sansa is flickering so much on its display... and ideas?
23:08:38	barrywardell	it's because we're not waiting for the display to be finished updating before starting to update it again
23:08:44	Juice^	ok
23:09:20	Juice^	will that say the sansa has a bad lcd respondness?
23:09:49	barrywardell	no, we just need to figure out how to wait until the lcd is finished updating before starting to update it again
23:09:59	Juice^	i see
23:10:33	barrywardell	dan_a might be able to explain better. he wrote the lcd driver.
23:11:04	Juice^	i understood you:)
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23:11:37	Juice^	you need to find a respond from the lcd to tell rockbox that it has finished the update, and then you can reupdate. right
23:14:03	barrywardell	yes. i think so
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23:16:43	amiconn	The coldfire memory controller is less intelligent than expected...
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23:24:57	Rellix	could somebody help me?
23:25:19	linuxstb	Bagder: Can you add this to the download server? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-320x240-830kbps.mpg
23:25:34	linuxstb	Also, can you move all the .m2v files to an "OLD" subdirectory?
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23:25:43	Bagder	sure
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23:28:12	midkay	Bagder!
23:28:55	midkay	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/MajorChanges/graph.gif - could you put this where it needs to go in order to be used globally? like %Y% gets you the green checkmark on any page..
23:33:28	daurnimator	o.o
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23:34:32	doktoreas	hi toa ll
23:35:35	ctaylorr	doktoreas: hi
23:36:05	doktoreas	:D
23:36:17	doktoreas	i have installed a snapshoot of 30/12
23:36:28	doktoreas	and now i can't see anymore my ipod mini on thunar
23:36:34	linuxstb	Rellix: What's your problem?
23:37:30	linuxstb	Ah, Rellix left...
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23:38:33	doktoreas	also with lsusb i can't see it
23:40:48	ctaylorr	doktoreas: I think everyone's silence suggests taht you need to be more specific. What exactly is the problem.
23:41:11	doktoreas	ctaylorr, i have installed a snapshot of rockbox on my gen2 mini ipod
23:41:28	doktoreas	right now it's plugged at my linucbox, but i can't see it with lsusb
23:41:47	doktoreas	and, also if is connected, the battery value doesn't change
23:42:11	ctaylorr	doktoreas: are you using a guide of some sort?
23:42:48	doktoreas	guide from site
23:42:48	ctaylorr	doktoreas: (I don't own an ipod. Just trying to get you to explain the problem more fully so someone will help you).
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23:43:28	doktoreas	http://rafb.net/p/CXQZzv47.html
23:43:33	doktoreas	this is with ipodsearch
23:43:53	doktoreas	i would go back to original firmware, but i don't know how access it...
23:44:13	ctaylorr	doktoreas: what happens when you try to turn the device on?
23:44:25	doktoreas	rockbox starts fine
23:44:37	ctaylorr	doktoreas: try plugging it in while rockbox is still running.
23:44:58	linuxstb	doktoreas: Turn the hold switch on immediately after booting to start the Apple firmware.
23:45:32	linuxstb	Hold SELECT+PLAY immediately after booting to force your ipod into disk mode.
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23:46:43	doktoreas	ok now it's ook i rebooted and then i set up the hold swtich
23:46:58	doktoreas	now it continues saying loading original firmware
23:47:03	doktoreas	but nothing happen
23:47:55	ctaylorr	doktoreas: you need to be more specific. what are you doing, and what do you expect to happen?
23:47:59	linuxstb	Force it into disk mode.
23:48:47	daurnimator	hey linuxboy
23:48:53	daurnimator	*linuxstb
23:49:03	daurnimator	anything you want about 402?
23:49:03	doktoreas	linuxstb, ok now i am in disk mode
23:49:11	daurnimator	i'm going away on holidays for a while now
23:49:16	doktoreas	ctaylorr, i wanna transfer files from my pc to ipod
23:49:24	linuxstb	You are possibly running into two different recent bugs - 1) The new installation method isn't starting the original firmware on some ipods; 2) USB detection seems to be broken in some builds of Rockbox.
23:49:31	doktoreas	linuxstb, now i can see ipod on thunar
23:49:55	linuxstb	darnimator: No thanks, I'm fine...
23:52:01	daurnimator	ok
23:52:09	daurnimator	in that case, i'll see you all later
23:52:59	doktoreas	linuxstb, i have installed the current snapshoot
23:53:57	doktoreas	linuxstb, same things, i can't see ipod from thunar
23:54:08	doktoreas	using rockbox, i need to be in diskmode to move mp3 to it?
23:54:14	linuxstb	Yes.
23:54:37	doktoreas	ops it seems freezed
23:54:41	linuxstb	Normally Rockbox will detect USB and reboot you into disk mode automatically. But as I said, that appears to be broken in some builds.
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23:55:06	doktoreas	it says freezed
23:55:12	doktoreas	with the usb logo on it
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23:55:36	linuxstb	Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode.
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23:55:48	Soap	linuxstb: all the new elephants dream mpg s are -q6 VRB?
23:56:37	linuxstb	They are the same video streams, I've just multiplexed them with the audio.
23:56:40	linuxstb	So yes.
23:57:01	Soap	that was going to be my next question, cool, thanks.
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