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#rockbox log for 2007-01-01

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00:04:43GodEatera shame - no amiconn :(
00:05:04tvelocityhappy new year!!!!!!11one
00:05:31tvelocity(for those in the revelant timezones:P)
00:08:26GodEaterone more hour to go here :)
00:11:56 Quit cynicalliberal ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox]")
00:12:10midkay9 hours to go here!!
00:13:09GodEaterwell amiconn - when you get round to reading the logs - I've just had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine who used to work for Rio - back in the days of the Karma
00:13:20GodEaterhe says that one of their models used to do the same as the 80GB iPod - which is return IDNF for all ATA commands
00:13:27GodEaterbut it still DID them
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00:16:30ydohappy new year!
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00:27:35 Quit JoeyBorn ("happy new year everyone, see you next year!")
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00:51:46linuxstbxx: ?
00:52:26GodEaterah - I didn't know you cared :)
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00:57:13GodEaterlinuxstb, you close enough to the river to see the fireworks ?
01:00:44xxlinuxstb: do you think the encryption/decryption asm is on the flashprom
01:01:09xx(the 8MB one, not the 4Gbyte)
01:01:32xxand if so, how easy would it be for someone to remove this chip, and read the data off it
01:02:16GodEatermerry new year to all those on GMT
01:05:35*bagawk waits 8 hours for his new year
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01:23:29linuxstbGodEater: I'm in Barcelona, so can't quite see the river...
01:23:47linuxstbAnd happy new year to you.
01:24:13linuxstbxx: Impossible to say until someone has a look...
01:24:59mickael__this year sucked
01:26:56xxlinuxstb: ok
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01:35:50muesli__damn..everytime i turn down the bass it freezes
01:36:01muesli__that never happened before
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02:07:39XavierGrHappy new year too all!
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02:08:34markunXavierGr: you too!
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02:29:04XavierGrthanks markun :D
02:32:56*myzar licks scorche, who probably isn't here
02:33:10myzarerr, linuxstb!
02:36:52muesli__could somebody confirm
02:37:14muesli__that irivers are freezing while changing the bass value?
02:37:31muesli__(at least my h320 using experimental build)
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02:55:44decayedcellwhen im trying to compile Rockbox
02:55:47decayedcellin Cygwin
02:55:59decayedcelli get a command not found line 10, 13, 16 and stuff
02:56:11decayedcellseems to be referring to the spaces in the configure file in the tools directory
02:56:20decayedcellanyone else have this problem?
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02:58:34gigabeatfanhas anyone here installed rockbox on a gigabeat f40
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04:07:41Gon2do rockbox play vids?
04:08:48Gon2for ipod video
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04:26:24habhappy new year :)
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04:36:22Soaahello, is anyone available to answer coding questions?
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04:43:32JdGordonSoaa: shoot
04:45:23JdGordoncoding q?
04:46:25Soaai'm trying to implement pressure sensitivity for the gigabeat
04:47:04Soaai know list.c controls the scrolling, but having very little experience with C, my code miserably failed to compile
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04:47:21JdGordonpressure sensitivity?
04:47:48Soaayeah, press harder, scroll faster
04:48:03Soaathe gb has 3 sensors, so i can use 3 levels of sensitivity
04:48:21JdGordonmarkun is your man for gigabeat... but the list control doesnt really work with acceleratio yet
04:49:16Soaai checked out the iPod patch, but there are bits i don't understand
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05:38:17adam1302How do you patch a game?
05:39:21scorchesame way you patch anything else
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05:41:15scorchesee the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling
05:42:09adam1302ok thanks
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05:46:34goppk just installed
05:46:44goppI would like to see rockbox for xm mp3 player
05:46:56goppsome how your team could make an xm player do more then it supposed
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07:41:55Nimdaehappy new year yall
07:42:58Soaahappy new year nimdae
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09:00:50midkayNEW YEAR!!! NEW YEAR!!!
09:01:59Mouser_XThis is true, it is the new year.
09:03:30JdGordonbah, this year sucks... im sick of it already
09:03:47midkaynow it is.
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09:04:01Mouser_XWell, it has been for awhile for me.
09:04:05JdGordonshuoldnt you be out partying or something?
09:04:20Mouser_XI don't drink, or smoke.
09:04:31Mouser_XNasty stuff, both of them.
09:05:16midkaywell, neither do i... "partying"? it's the new year, um, wooo.... i wouldn't really prefer to be partying right now, not at all.
09:05:34JdGordonhaha... yeah that was my attitude last night also
09:05:46JdGordonalthough i did go see the fireworks so i guess i failed
09:06:11Mouser_XMy attitude is "Hey, I have work off. Awesome!!!"
09:06:20Mouser_XOther than that, whoody doo.
09:06:28JdGordonwork on nye? that sux... unless your getting 10x pay :)
09:06:34midkayhaha. my partying currently consists of writing a new particle-ejection system for Fireworks.c!
09:07:01hcsI was awakened by fireworks
09:07:13midkaynow you can recapture that on your DAP of choice!!
09:07:13JdGordonmidkay: add sound to fireworks :)
09:07:30midkaysome crappy sound effects... recordings of me saying "POW." and "POP."?!
09:07:34Mouser_XWhat's fireworks.c?
09:07:42Mouser_XA Rockbox plugin?
09:07:42midkaya lovely little fireworks display.
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09:11:33decayedcellanybody here?
09:11:54hcsonly the shattered husks of men
09:12:02decayedcellneed help with compiling
09:12:14decayedcellgetting error 127 with librockbox.a
09:12:28decayedcellAR+RANLIB librockbox.a
09:12:39decayedcellAR+RANLIB /home/felix/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build-dir/librockbox.a make[1]: *** [/home/felix/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build-dir/librockbox.a] Error 127 make: *** [all] Error 2
09:12:41decayedcellsomething like that
09:12:51decayedcellas described here:;wap2
09:13:25decayedcellim not quite sure why this error is coming up lol
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09:15:27tsuyoshierror in ar+ranlib? how odd
09:16:26tsuyoshi"something like that"?
09:16:41decayedcellexaclty that
09:16:52decayedcellexcept the directory is different of course
09:17:03decayedcellsame file, same errors
09:17:15decayedcelldoing a make clean then make still makes it popup
09:17:47decayedcellbrb dinner
09:17:58decayedcelli think it might be a cross compiler thing?
09:19:32tsuyoshiit seems to indicate thatbinutils isn't installed
09:19:41tsuyoshiso yeah, that's a cross compiler thing
09:21:09tsuyoshino idea how you could get that far without binutils though
09:21:12tsuyoshithat's pretty weird
09:27:12decayedcellits coz
09:27:19decayedcelli manually moved arm-elf-gcc
09:27:28decayedcellto um
09:28:27decayedcellgonna follow that toolchain install thing
09:29:07decayedcellgah need wget or curl
09:29:20decayedcelldon't think thats in the SimpleGuideToCompiling
09:31:20decayedcellCygwinDevelopment* i mean
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09:40:23goppgood night
09:40:29gopphappy new years
09:41:36goppwell did a temp job
09:41:38goppon the ipod
09:41:42goppit works
09:41:47goppI figured out
09:41:59goppsome broke the switch on the hold part on the logic board
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09:47:39decayedcelley is anyone here using Opera IRC to connect to this room?
09:47:57decayedcellbecause when I connect it says there aren't any rooms in
09:58:42tsuyoshiprobably /list doesn't work
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10:21:06decayedcellbuilt the Crosscompiler
10:21:10decayedcellstill same error
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10:50:44gopphmm when i pluged
10:50:53goppipod after I booted in to rockbox
10:51:04goppit won't go in to diskmode
10:51:08goppthe old version did that
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10:54:49Lloreangopp: Are you using an official build of Rockbox?
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10:59:27LloreanAnd when you plug in USB (not firewire) what happens?
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10:59:49goppit shows
10:59:56goppusb cable
11:00:05goppbut it then boots or should I say reboots in to rockbox
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11:05:17goppwhat the ipod command
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11:15:50goppstrange no ipod shows up
11:16:04goppin my computer and know it says it oh k to disconnect
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11:37:27dan_aHappy New Year, everybody (unless it's still 2006 in your time zone!)
11:37:52pixelmaHappy New Year to all :)
11:38:38markunpixelma: to you too!
11:38:53markundan_a: ah, and you too of course :)
11:42:38pixelmagopp: still having problems with disk mode on ipod? (I observed that too with daily builds from 28th December on - Mini 2nd gen)
11:42:59markunIt was a good year for rockbox
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11:44:00jbahey gang
11:44:07jbalinuxstb, i hear you
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11:44:20jba're making progress on video player with audio?
11:44:26*jba has been outa the loop for a while
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11:55:52linuxstbjba: Yes, I am.
11:56:22jbagood stuff
11:56:38jbalinuxstb, is it being checked into main tree regularly, or not till you're done?
11:57:14linuxstbI'm hoping to check in the first version today.
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11:58:17jbagood stuff means i will be able to get it down from work tomorrow (in 12 hours or so)?
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12:15:57decayedcellhmm wat export command do i put into cygwin to get the crosscompiler into my directory
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12:37:54GodEaterdecayedcell, you don't export anything to get the cross-compiler "into your directory" - you need to put it in your path. so "export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/cross/compiler"
12:38:11linuxstbdecayedcell: I think the Cygwin install instructions in the wiki tell you how to do that.
12:38:35GodEaterah - morning linuxstb :) How's Barcelona looking this morning ? :)
12:38:51linuxstbIt's afternoon, and it's looking fine.
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12:38:55GodEaterit's beautiful in London - clear blue skys
12:39:04linuxstbMore than one sky?
12:39:07decayedcellno they don't actually
12:39:11linuxstbI think you drank too much...
12:39:16decayedcellcan I have write permissions to the wiki
12:39:20GodEaterhahaha - possibly
12:39:25decayedcellneed to edit
12:39:43decayedcellTo successfully compile rockbox, the cross compiler directory has to be in your path. This is automatically done by the installation script.
12:39:46linuxstbdecayedcell: What's your wiki name?
12:39:48decayedcellhowever if its not done by the script
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12:40:14GodEaterright - there's a pub calling to me that serves Steak and Ale pie...
12:40:15decayedcelluser needs to type in export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
12:40:33decayedcellmuch cleaner way of doing it than editing the profile file
12:41:11linuxstbThat's not cleaner...
12:41:34linuxstbBut you have wiki edit rights now.
12:41:43decayedcellcleaner as in easier i believe...
12:41:49decayedcellthanks linux
12:41:58linuxstbBut the user would have to type it every time.
12:42:29linuxstbenvironment variables aren't persistent.
12:42:33decayedcellbut fiddling with the profile file gives some users a borked cygwin
12:42:51linuxstbYes, if they use a broken editor. That should be mentioned.
12:43:13decayedcellah ok i'll update that page with the info then
12:43:59decayedcellso which editor should the user use
12:44:11decayedcelli tried wordpad and that didn't work
12:45:09GodEatervi would be my choice
12:45:15GodEateror nano
12:45:41GodEaterboth of which are usually part of a cygwin install
12:50:52decayedcellnano isn't in the instruction
12:50:59decayedcelli'll add that
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13:30:22Everybody|ach damn
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13:30:28Everybody|awaythat's better
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14:02:02pixelmamidkay:what did you do in plugins/SOURCES ?
14:02:23midkaypixelma: i had duplicate instances of fireworks.c..
14:02:35midkaytook me ten minutes of experimentation to figure that out :)
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14:12:34amiconnlinuxstb: 720 points...
14:12:55midkayyou mean me? dammit. :(
14:13:00midkayoh.. no. whew.
14:13:01linuxstbBest score of the year.
14:13:51midkaylinuxstb: so a fresh checkout and kernel_on_cop6.diff will result in a fully-working second-core-using mpegplayer?
14:13:57linuxstbmidkay: Yes.
14:14:08midkayawesome.. i guess i'll try that before i go to bed.
14:15:09JdGordongood news everybody...
14:15:27JdGordonim going on holiday for a week, so you want have me breaking everything :)
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14:16:08midkayomg.. my new year's wish just came true!!
14:16:50JdGordonI aim to please
14:16:55JdGordoncyaz next week
14:16:55Everybodythank you for telling me this jdg
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14:18:54midkayLlorean came up with a VLC command as i recall? *searches logs*
14:19:24Everybodyoh yeah rockbox broke
14:19:29Everybodybeing in this channel reminded me
14:20:38EverybodyI installed one off the iriver community forums
14:20:43Everybodymisticriver or summat
14:20:48Everybodyyeah now it won't start up
14:21:42linuxstbJdGordon: I'm taking over that job...
14:22:05linuxstbI'm on Mac OS X at the moment, and the sims don't compile for me....
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14:27:09midkayoh no..
14:27:11midkaydata abort.
14:28:29linuxstbThat's fun...
14:28:51midkayonly when i access the menu. hm.
14:28:52linuxstbAre you talking about mpegplayer?
14:29:12midkaynah, rockbox browser... launching a mpg file, i can hear the audio, but no video.
14:30:21linuxstbWhich ipod?
14:30:58linuxstbWhich mpg file? One of your own encodes?
14:31:14midkayyeah, i did it with VLC (llorean's batch file)...
14:31:32linuxstbCan you try one of the .mpg files at ?
14:31:37midkayoh, sure..
14:31:45midkaymake veryclean && make'ing.
14:31:56linuxstbI haven't converted them all to .mpg, but the smallest should play at fullspeed on the 5g.
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14:32:14midkayelephantsdream-q6-320x240-830kbps.m2v is just video, i guess?
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14:37:07midkayk, let's try...
14:37:27midkayaccessing menu still results in data abort.
14:38:04midkayelephants dream @ 176x128, i can hear audio, but still no video.
14:40:09linuxstbAre you using a recent bootloader?
14:40:20midkayhow recent? probably not :)
14:40:43linuxstbThat's a requirement of the kernel-on-cop patch. It also won't work with IPL's loader2...
14:40:55midkaynah, i'm using rockbox's loader.. hm. where's the latest?
14:41:08linuxstbTry installing one with the new ipodpatcher - see the IpodInstallationBeta page.
14:41:26linuxstbYou shouldn't have to remove the old bootloader - just "ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" will replace it.
14:43:35midkaycool, at least a much simpler installation :)
14:43:44midkaynow let me test again..
14:43:53linuxstbBut still people find ways to mess it up...
14:43:53midkaymenu works..
14:45:28midkayhaving trouble leaving the menu though..
14:45:47midkaythere it goes.
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14:51:17midkaylinuxstb: so it works. :) nice job!
14:51:40linuxstbmidkay: Does playing a second video after stopping the first work? My Photo (PP5020 - always troublesome) doesn't seem to like that.
14:52:12midkaylet me try.. it acted a little weird for me at first...
14:53:20midkayyeah, seems fine..
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14:53:34midkayelephants dream has sync problems though for me, and the one i encoded is rather garbled.
14:53:47linuxstbYes, sync isn't implemented.
14:54:13midkayright. so i guess all is normal..
14:54:14linuxstbDoes your own encode playback OK on a PC?
14:54:43linuxstbAudio is 44.1KHz?
14:55:26midkayhrm.. VLC isn't saying..
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14:55:48linuxstbDoes your encoding command-line mention audio samplerate?
14:56:13midkayllorean's batch file has "samplerate=44100" in it..
14:56:33linuxstbOK, so it should be fine - assuming that's all vlc needs.
14:56:39midkaydunno if that would be related.. audio sounds fine, video's just.. weirdish.
14:57:07midkayblocky, green squares and lines, etc.
14:57:10linuxstbWhat resolution did you encode at?
14:57:50midkayhaha. yeah.
14:57:55midkayjust wanted to give it a go.
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14:58:25midkayi'll try smaller.. 224x176
14:59:34midkayhmm.. Rockbox seems to not have USB detection with the kernel_on_cop patch.
15:01:02midkaysmaller works fine.
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15:02:45midkayLimit FPS seems to sync up the audio well enough...
15:03:09linuxstbYes, that helps...
15:03:35linuxstbSkip frames should be enabled as well. I've changed that slightly, so it now always shows at least 1 frame out of every 10 decoded.
15:03:41Genre9mp3Yay! Happy New year with fireworks plugin! :)
15:03:41dan_amidkay: I don't see anything in kernel_on_cop that should break USB detection
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15:04:12linuxstbdan_a: I think I had problems with that as well...
15:04:20midkaylinuxstb: oh, cool.. still runs pretty smoothly with skip frames but that also seems to fix sync..
15:04:35midkayGenre9mp3: haha. having fun? :D
15:04:37linuxstbpixelma also reported USB problems with recent builds - without the COP patch.
15:04:50midkaydan_a: dunno why, rockbox doesn't seem to detect USB in any way.
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15:05:03midkayworked for me with the same build sans patch.
15:05:19dan_aI'll look into it... but not today!
15:05:48Genre9mp3midkay: Just woke up and read the CVS table.... I'm about to give it a go :)
15:06:43midkayGenre9mp3: haha, ah.. i manage to have some fun with it.. tweaking settings. :) need a preset saver/loader now!
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15:08:09pixelmaI had problems with automatically booting into disk mode with recent daily builds and at least one CVS build - it detected USB (rockbox got stuck displaying the current USB logo) but I thought it's because of the server problems (somehow) because everything worked fine when building my own with the same soure...
15:09:40*Genre9mp3 wonders if pixelma has her backlit Ondio in hands
15:10:22pixelmaI do :)
15:11:26Genre9mp3great! :) I'm all jealous now...
15:14:58*Genre9mp3 fires up fireworks :)
15:16:18Genre9mp3woo... auto-fire :)
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15:22:30THBhey guys
15:22:36THBhappy new year
15:22:50THBwas given a dead 4g greyscale ipod
15:23:01THBjust repaired it and whacked rockbox on there
15:23:08THBvery impressed so far
15:23:23THBare ther many plugins for a 4g b&w ipod?
15:23:24amiconnNice to hear
15:23:46THBI noticed a gameboy emu and a doom port
15:23:57THBany chance they will work on my ipod?
15:24:08amiconnIf you are interested in improving the grayscale library (used e.g. by the jpeg viewer) and can compile yourself, you could help by running a test plugin
15:24:24THBthere is a jpeg viewer?
15:24:40amiconnYes, using 33 shades of grey
15:24:57amiconn(on a display that just offers 4 shades of grey natively)
15:25:13amiconnDoom uses the same trick
15:25:14THBis that part of the default build?
15:25:18THBoh I see
15:25:22decayedcellyay mpegplayer working
15:25:27decayedcellslow but working
15:25:32THBhmm, very new to all this
15:25:41linuxstbdecayedcell: On what player?
15:25:47THBjust managed to get it to initialise my database
15:25:56THBhow do I load up jpegs?
15:25:58decayedcellthe new one that was put into CVS
15:26:02decayedcelljust then
15:26:13THBand where is a good place to download plugins such as doom and the GB emu?
15:26:13linuxstbdecayedcell: I mean what mp3 player do you have?
15:26:38decayedcelloh 5.5G 30GB iPod Video
15:26:54decayedcellwhen skip frames is enabled
15:26:55dionoeaTHB: some links to wads for doom are listed on the wiki
15:27:03decayedcellthe menu button doesn't work
15:27:07dionoeaand for gameboy roms i guess that you could use google
15:27:13decayedcellthus can't change settings
15:27:30linuxstbdecayedcell: Yes, don't expect anywhere near decent performance on the 5g from mpegplayer.
15:27:48decayedcellyes i know its early code
15:27:56linuxstbBut I'll look into the non-working menu.
15:28:01linuxstbdecayedcell: I mean ever.
15:28:28decayedcellhmm ok and this is because
15:28:56dionoealcd is too slow/big ?
15:28:58linuxstbLarge LCD means lots of data to decode. mpegplayer only uses the main CPU, not the video processor present in the 5g.
15:29:09decayedcellah i see
15:29:28decayedcellstill, it works :P
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15:29:50linuxstbAlthough _maybe_ we can get > 20fps out of it with a lot of work. But main CPU can never compete with the Broadcom chip.
15:29:51midkaysomeone's gotta discover how to work the video processor!
15:30:08linuxstbThat will be a different project to mpegplayer though.
15:30:13decayedcellseems like the only way to turn off the mpegplayer is to menu + centre button
15:30:30THBdionoea: could you give me a link to the wiki? the documentation wiki from the main page is not bringing up anything for gameboy
15:30:34decayedcellall the buttons don't work when frame skip is enabled
15:31:19decayedcellanyway thanks for the new code i should get to sleep 1:30 am here
15:33:00Genre9mp3linuxstb: videos on PP targets without the kernel_on_cop_6.diff have sound now?
15:33:13linuxstbGenre9mp3: Yes.
15:33:36linuxstbBut it's very slow without that patch - H300 speeds :)
15:33:38amiconnlinuxstb: Do you know whether it works on coldfire targets?
15:33:55linuxstbIt should be - at least an earlier version of the patch did.
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15:34:28amiconnI guess the speed difference with sound vs. without sound isn't that big on coldfire
15:34:47linuxstbI think it goes from something like 18fps down to 12fps.
15:35:08linuxstbThat was with kiram's optimisations and a smaller-than-lcd video I think.
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15:35:33linuxstb(and a 170kbps VBR MP3 audio track)
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15:36:56linuxstbGenre9mp3: But obviously the kernel_on_cop patch is recommended on PP targets...
15:37:16Genre9mp3linuxstb: Yes, I understand
15:38:01dionoeawhat does the kernel on cop patch do ?
15:38:14dionoeajust run the kernel on the cop instead of the cpu ?
15:38:16dan_adionoea: It runs a kernel on the COP
15:38:22dan_aas well as the CPU
15:38:43dan_aIt means that you can start threads on either processor
15:38:46dionoeaso parts run on the CPU and parts on the COP? (or you have two kernels runing?)
15:38:51dionoeaoh ok
15:39:10THBwhich plugin lets me load jpgs?
15:39:26THBfound the doom plugin, wads just go in root?
15:39:34linuxstbFrom the file browser, just select a .jpg file.
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15:39:55linuxstb(it's a viewer, so isn't in the plugin menu).
15:40:04THBoh, I have mine on database mode
15:40:15THBhow do I get back to the fileviewer?
15:40:57linuxstbChange the "show files" option to either "all" or "supported".
15:41:09THBah sorted
15:42:00THBreminds me of the amiga B&W high res scans
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15:51:19midkayoff to bed for me, night
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16:37:42neutralrobotboycan anyone here point me to a resource that might let me know what's involved in writing a .rock plugin?
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16:39:27neutralrobotboyhmm... i guess people must be afk.
16:40:26debauched_sloththey are pretty easy to write
16:40:36debauched_slothI would suggest looking at one of the existing ones and copying the code
16:40:57debauched_sloththat's what I just did and it was very easy to do
16:41:20neutralrobotboyi haven't even looked. are they written in c? i don't even know what language they're in.
16:41:29debauched_slothyes, they are written in C
16:41:44debauched_slothif you pull the rockbox CVS repository, they are in rockbox/apps/plugins
16:41:56debauched_sloththere are quite a few, so choose one which is close to what you want to do
16:43:03neutralrobotboyhmm... there isn't a cvs tarball around or anything, is there?
16:43:17debauched_slothnot sure, but pulling from CVS is just about as easy
16:43:53debauched_slothsee here:
16:43:56neutralrobotboyahh, there is one. starting on that.
16:44:20neutralrobotboyaha. thank you. i somehow totally missed that.
16:44:49neutralrobotboyit lists cygwin as a supported compiler. do you know offhand if anyone uses mingw?
16:45:06debauched_slothno, sorry, I don't
16:46:13debauched_slothnot sure, but isn't mingw a windows only target? you need the cross compiler for your device
16:47:59xxdoes anyone know why the firmware on the 2nd Gen nano has all the data in there 4 times?
16:48:05neutralrobotboyi *think* that if cygwin can do it, it should be essentially the same for mingw.
16:48:29neutralrobotboyi'll take a look. i might keep them separate just to make sure i don't screw with my mingw installation anyhow.
16:48:59debauched_slothgood luck
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16:49:17ender`msys is a stripped-down cygwin, and all programs you compile with it target win32
16:49:39debauched_slothah, doesn't sound good
16:49:52debauched_slothif you want to cross compile, that is
16:49:52neutralrobotboyaha. cygwin it is.
16:50:02debauched_slothmight also consider setting up a VM
16:50:07debauched_slothif you maybe have one handy
16:50:33neutralrobotboyahh, i read about a rockbox emulator, yeah...
16:50:49ender`it should be possible to compile gcc for another target and use it from msys, but it'll be much easier with cygwin
16:50:54neutralrobotboyi forget here that was. i'm looking at some code now and thinking about whether i actually would complete anything.
16:51:16ender`note that both cygwin and msys are slow
16:51:43neutralrobotboyi can live with slow. compiling one plugin over and over won't be too bad.
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16:54:20neutralrobotboyhmm... i think this is all academic. looking at some code here, it seems like i'd never get anything done.
16:55:09neutralrobotboyi've mostly been programming in python lately. looking at c makes me feel a bit ill. haha.
16:56:06xxC is straight forward ;)
16:56:07xxto the point
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16:56:26xxin my eyes, it can be read as english
16:56:40neutralrobotboyhehe. sounds like a c coder at heart.
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16:56:57xxi just got an ipod a few days ago
16:57:02xx2G nano ..............
16:57:14xx(2nd gen, 4gig)
16:57:21xxso i can't install any of this stuffs
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16:58:13neutralrobotboyshame. i have an iriver h320. i'm pretty psyched about rockbox.
16:58:28xxahh, yeah
16:58:31xxlooks cool and all
16:59:00xxi'm just playing around, trying to understand how the 2nd gen nano works .. but i am not getting very far.. i have no knoledge of this stuff
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17:08:49neutralrobotboyalright, guys. i think that's all i need to know for now. thanks again!
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18:21:10webmindhappy new year
18:21:16Juice^happy new year =)
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18:34:28Soap2Since you need to be running a kernel on the COP to be able to run threads, is that going to be a disadvantage to IPL and their massive (relative to RB) kernel?
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18:37:47linuxstbSoap2; IIUC, the IPL kernel doesn't have any support for the COP, but they use it directly from userland applications.
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19:10:11Juice^netmasta10bt: you made that wps theme for the sansa right?
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19:25:43cinchi'm having trouble with the forums, can't register
19:26:00Nimdaewhat's the error?
19:26:12cinchthe register button doesn't do anything
19:26:22Nimdaewhat browser are you using?
19:26:31cinchtried it with firefox, opera and safari
19:26:51Nimdaeare you referring to the register button at the top of the forum?
19:27:14cinchyea and then if you fill out the form, on the buttom the register button
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19:27:48Nimdaedid you check "I Agree" after reading the terms?
19:28:08Nimdaethat's the only way i can reproduce your problem is leaving thta unchecked
19:28:35Nimdaeah, looks like leaving password blank does this as well
19:28:35cinchah it works now, about an hour ago it didn't cool
19:29:16cinchok and i'm trying to remove rockbox from my ipod nano
19:29:42cinchplayback is very unstable
19:29:52cincheven though it's a 1. gen ipod
19:30:29cinchhere's the error message:
19:30:44cinchipodpatcher −−scan
19:30:55cinch..[INFO] Ipod found - 1st Generation Nano - /dev/disk3
19:31:05cinchipodpatcher /dev/disk3 -w bootpartition.bin
19:31:22linuxstbClose itunes and type "diskutil unmount /dev/disk3s2"
19:32:57cinchok it says now [INFO] Writing input file to device
19:33:02cinchlooks good
19:33:39cinchwhere can i try out older builds?
19:33:50Nimdaeyou could try a daily
19:33:50cinchi've only found this page
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19:34:59Nimdaethat's apparently an "old" build
19:35:16Nimdaeat least, the only link i can find that refers to that url is called "old"
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19:35:35cinchyea old as in yesterday, already tried yesterdays
19:35:35Nimdaethat's the latest daily build
19:36:01cinchis there one from let's say 3 months ago?
19:36:09Nimdaeand that's the latest cvs build
19:36:15Nimdaei don't think so
19:36:27cinchhmm the current build is unstable for me
19:36:27linuxstbcinch: Older versions won't be better... What is your problem?
19:36:41cinchsome mp3s have glitches
19:36:51linuxstbHave you read the FAQ?
19:37:04Nimdaewhat kind of glitches?
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19:37:24cinchit sounds like when you scatch a turntable
19:37:31Nimdaedo they pause periodically? do they skip? do they have random audio artifacts, also called static?
19:37:35cinchflac's don't play it just skips to the next file
19:37:57cinchevery 3 seconds or so theres a short glitch, but it plays further
19:38:02Nimdaes/called/referred to as/
19:38:21Nimdaeare you using the eq?
19:38:33Nimdaedoes it happen from a clean install?
19:38:41Nimdaeas in don't even change the wps, use the default
19:38:47cinchhaven't changed settings, just changed the theme to one without a peak-meter
19:38:59cinchyea clean install..
19:39:17Nimdaedo the songs "glitch" on anything else?
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19:40:01cinchwell the glitch was basically only on a 320kbps mp3, the others with vrb and 128k crb were ok
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19:40:38Nimdaetry installing the latest cvs build and see if it continues
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19:40:43Juice^is there a tool for editing wps themes ? or do you need to type everything manually and preview it in example the simulator for previews?
19:40:51Nimdaebut i think i remember there being some problems with 320kbps mp3s
19:40:57cinchhmm ok
19:41:06cinchand flac is broken?
19:41:19Nimdaeflac has had some recent work on it, os the latest build may fix that
19:41:32Nimdaei can't really see the point in putting flac files on a nano though
19:41:35cincheven with flac compression set to 0 it doesn't play
19:41:47cinchtrue dat
19:42:28cinchoh and there's a ogg file that plays back quicker than normal
19:42:44cinchlike it skips every other second
19:42:55Nimdaeyeah, flac JUST got a fix commited yesterday, so i'd see if the latest build fixes it
19:43:05cinchok ill check it out
19:43:10cinchthanks for help guys
19:43:35Nimdaei need to install the coprocessor patch and get the latest build to test the video playback :P
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19:46:01dan_aNimdae: video should work without the COP patch - but at about half the framerate. I'm hoping to get the coprocessor patch committed before next weekend :)
19:46:19Nimdaesweet, the cpu scaling problem is fixed?
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19:47:22Nimdaespeaking of which...when using the cpu scaling, if you scale it, does it scale both cores, or do you scale only one core?
19:47:33*Nimdae displays hardware ignorance
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19:49:16dan_aNimdae: That's the thing I need to fix. At the moment, I think that boosting boosts both cores. Hopefully at some point we will come up with a more battery-efficient way of doing things
19:49:53Nimdaewell, what i'm really asking boosting a single core all by itself possible?
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19:51:52amiconnNot independently afaiu
19:52:19amiconnThe cop runs at the same clock as the cpu, but there's a "clock skipping" feature
19:52:29amiconn(which we need to figure out)
19:52:34Nimdaewhat's that do?
19:53:49dan_a1. Figure out how to do the clock skipping. 2. Figure out how to decide which core needs boosting
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19:56:16Soaalinuxstb! awesome job on video with sound. ;D
19:56:34linuxstbdan_a: I have a couple of problems, but I don't know if they are PP5020 specific. Sometimes the video thread doesn't start, and it never starts the second time... I think midkay tested it on his 5g, and didn't report those problems.
19:56:44linuxstb(my main testing is on my Photo).
19:57:04linuxstbAlso, as I mentioned in flyspray, I have to disable CPU scaling completely for it to work at all...
19:57:10Soaacan't wait til rebuffering is in
19:57:36linuxstbSoaa: Happy you like it.
19:57:50Soaahehe great way to start 2007 :)
19:58:21Soaawhat's the best way to convert .flv's to rockbox?
20:00:22dan_alinuxstb: Do you know if you have a main thread on the COP when the video doesn't start?
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20:05:52linuxstbdan_a: After I exit mpegplayer, the codec thread is still there, but I don't know if it's missing when mpegplayer fails to play the first time it's loaded - that's an intermittent problem. I'll try and find out.
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20:10:20dan_aI suspect that there are some issues with the order things are run in when we have both processors going. I had to run the frquency setting code from the COP in order to get a main thread on the Sansa (though I didn't test whether it was just calling it a second time which made the difference)
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20:18:20Juice^is there a limit of colors or a specific bmp format setting to use for the backdrop images?
20:18:44linuxstbIt must be exactly the same resolution as your LCD.
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20:19:44Juice^yes, but except for that
20:19:46linuxstbAnd 24-bit.
20:19:50Juice^ok ok thanks
20:20:34Juice^im testing out the wps for my sansa e200
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20:25:01Juice^one thing that really sucks with the sansa e200 is the refreshing of the library taking ages at startup for the original firmware
20:25:19ctaylorrHi. I was wondering if someone could have a look at FS 6486. Also, need we worry about including updates to the manual in patches or is the manual maintained entirely by core developers?
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21:24:51Mouser_XSo, there's no program (other than a TEXT editor) to help make WPS themes/files/stuff?
21:25:35Mouser_XI guess if I want to make a theme, I'll have to download one that already exists, and modify it as needed.
21:25:41Alexincnot really
21:25:47Alexincits actually really simple
21:25:50Mouser_XAlexinc: How so?
21:25:59Alexincif you know basic html at all
21:26:03Mouser_X(For photoshop, and easyness)
21:26:07Alexincthen it should come pretty easily
21:26:13Alexincphotoshop for graphics
21:26:21Mouser_XAh. I know a little HTML, but not too much.
21:26:36Soaayou can use text_editor within rockbox to code the wps, but it's longer and not recommended
21:26:44Mouser_XAh. Well, I sort of figured for graphics. I'd be using Paintshop Pro though.
21:26:51Soaathat's good too :)
21:27:01Alexincalmost as good as photoshop
21:27:19Mouser_XThere's a big difference. The one I have was free, and easy to get.
21:27:24Mouser_XSmall as well,
21:27:47Mouser_X(I could get photoshop free, but I'd have to look for it, and the ones I've seen are huge...)
21:28:02SoaaPhotoshop for free is illegal
21:28:15Mouser_XSo is Paintshop Pro.
21:28:16SoaaPaintShopPro was free after some mail-in rebates though
21:28:28Mouser_XI didn't know about that.
21:28:37Mouser_X(Though, I don't think that quite counts.)
21:28:50AlexincGIMP is the way to go ;]
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21:29:00Alexinci still cant use paintshop pro
21:29:17Alexinci find it such a... cheap rip off
21:29:20Mouser_XAlso, the version I'm using is almost certainly old by now. It was given to me by my brother. Full install, no cracking or patching necessary.
21:29:24Mouser_X7.0 or something.
21:29:35Alexinci use photoshop 7.0
21:29:39Alexinci have CS 2
21:29:48Alexincbut i preffer 7
21:30:01Mouser_XEver find your finger?
21:30:22Mouser_X(You said you couldn't find it yesterday, while drunk, I'm assuming.)
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21:33:13Mouser_XIs it possible to do animations in WPS themes? Just for kicks?
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21:33:26Mouser_XLike, have something that's moving, just for the sake of movement?
21:33:50Mouser_XI'm assuming that animated GIFs aren't supported?
21:37:10Soaayou can make things move on WPSs with switching sublines
21:37:30Mouser_XI'll have to figure out how to do that.
21:37:33Soaai'm not sure how that impacts CPU usage and battery life though
21:37:41Mouser_XWhen I get a portable device to try it out on, that is...
21:38:12Soaayou don't have one yet?
21:38:20Mouser_XGood point, of course. I'd try out different things to see what happens, and probably provide an animated, and non-animated version.
21:38:24Mouser_XNope, I don't.
21:38:32Mouser_XI'm thinking about an iPod, or a Gigabeat.
21:38:49Soaai recommend ol' gigabeat
21:39:01Mouser_XYes, that's probably what I'll get.
21:39:03Soaathey're dirt cheap and have better hardware than iPods
21:39:29Mouser_XI might get the iPod though, because I can find one for less than $120, if I play my cards right.
21:39:31Alexinci love my gigabeat
21:39:33Soaalinuxstb, i found a problem with your video player
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21:39:56Soaait stops playing when the buffer runs out, that's one thing
21:39:59Mouser_X(I'd have to do some reselling, that's the "play my cards right" thing).
21:40:10Soaabut it crashes at the end if the video didn't fill the buffer
21:40:57Alexincwheres all the info about video?
21:41:37Soaanone yet, it's all in linuxstb's brain
21:41:52ctaylorrSoaa: (and on cvs :) )
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21:42:31Soaaoh heck
21:42:39Soaai need those bug fixes D:
21:42:45goffapaid $95 for my 40gb... sold that for $110... then bought a 60gb for $164
21:42:48Soaaand i don't know how to do it o.o
21:43:23goffaso $150 for 60gb
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21:53:07Angry@Soaa: CVS log: it will play longer files, but never refills the buffer when it runs empty
21:53:34Soaaangry: i know, but the shorter ones crash the whole thing
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21:58:08linuxstbSoaa: Shorter files play (and stop) fine for me. But once rebuffering is implemented, end-of-file handling should be more robust.
21:58:36Soaagood to know :)
21:58:44Soaaworking on that now? ;D
21:59:05AngryI made tests on the H10 it works great... incredible fps
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22:00:06linuxstbAngry: Yes, it's even smaller than the Nano, which can almost manage 30fps...
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22:01:38Angry31 fps mostly
22:01:48Soaaodd though, my gigabeat can't handle 30fps?
22:02:08Angrythe H10 has one of the smallest screens
22:03:38Genre9mp3Angry: Which H10 do you have? The 20GB or the 5/6GB?
22:03:38linuxstbAngry: I assume you know about the Limit FPS option?
22:04:15AngryYes i know about that option... (6gb)
22:04:21linuxstbSoaa: Have you tried it? The only issue is that the Gigabeat's LCD only refreshes at 25Hz.
22:04:47Soaaoh, that must be why
22:05:15AngryThe only thing i noticed is that i cant play a file twice.
22:05:24Soaaoh well, i have frame skip on and it still plays wonderflly
22:05:36Soaaoh really?
22:05:40linuxstbAngry: Yes, I get that problem on my Photo. HI have to reboot.
22:06:26Soaano problems here o.o
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22:08:09linuxstbSoaa: It's a PP5020 problem I think.
22:09:23Genre9mp3linuxstb: With current CVS sound on videos is actually white noise on H300
22:09:45Genre9mp3This wasn't the case with the patch I tested before
22:10:38Angrymaxwen reported that too for the iaudio
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22:11:01Genre9mp3So I guess it's Coldfire related
22:11:32Genre9mp3linuxstb: Any idea why?
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22:11:47muesli__Genre9mp3 what is white noise sound?
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22:12:09Angryjust strange noise like no radio station tuned in
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22:12:33Angrythat was fast
22:13:00muesli__ah...fits to the movie "war of ants" ;)
22:13:32tsuyoshimy god the stock sansa firmware sucks so much
22:13:56muesli__ that one
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22:15:34Juice^tsuyoshi: indeed it does suck. i cant wait for the audio to work.. im not good at programming etc, so i've started with experimenting with the theme part for rockbox...
22:16:48tsuyoshiI've got an iriver ifp and the firmware on that one never annoyed me
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22:19:50*Genre9mp3 wonders where are all the H300 users complaining about videos without sound.... no one complained at MR about the white noise
22:20:25muesli__ppl are just happy about video progress :)
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22:22:48ctaylorrGenre9mp3: doubt many people even know video w/ sound is supposed to be working. it was just checked in a few hours ago.
22:24:51GoldmenIf I install rockbox on my 5G ipod will I still be able to play videos?
22:24:52ctaylorrGenre9mp3: I was thinking more about the rockbox website, but I guess ``the word is out''.
22:25:15muesli__Genre9mp3 wot do you think about that?
22:25:27ctaylorrGenre9mp3: ^−− well, there you go...the floodgates are giving.
22:26:15linuxstbGoldmen: You can dual-boot between Rockbox and the Apple firmware. So you can play videos in the Apple firmware still.
22:26:25Genre9mp3muesli__: About 22khz/96kbit? AFAIK 22khz isn't possible atm
22:26:55muesli__its just an idea to push fps
22:26:57GoldmenGot it. One last there a software to sync songs or is it done manually with rockbox?
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22:27:38linuxstbGenre9mp3: I've no idea what change could have caused that. Was the same .mpg file working before?
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22:27:56linuxstbAnd has anyone else tested mpegplayer on a H300?
22:28:03Genre9mp3well, even 64kbps would be possible, but there should be some tweaking for 22khz audio to work with video
22:28:13Genre9mp3linuxstb: yes, checked with same files
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22:42:43Genre9mp3linuxstb: I still have the previous patch in case you don't have it anymore and want to check what have you changed since then
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22:44:52linuxstbGenre9mp3: Thanks, but I have that. I can't investigate now, but will do.
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22:52:56Juice^im trying to fetch the cvs. just installed cygwin and all. but having an error
22:53:58ctaylorrJuice^: just create an empty .cvspass file
22:54:00ctaylorrJuice^: touch ~/.cvspass
22:56:17ctaylorrJuice^: np
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23:07:50Juice^im wondering why the sansa is flickering so much on its display... and ideas?
23:08:38barrywardellit's because we're not waiting for the display to be finished updating before starting to update it again
23:09:20Juice^will that say the sansa has a bad lcd respondness?
23:09:49barrywardellno, we just need to figure out how to wait until the lcd is finished updating before starting to update it again
23:09:59Juice^i see
23:10:33barrywardelldan_a might be able to explain better. he wrote the lcd driver.
23:11:04Juice^i understood you:)
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23:11:37Juice^you need to find a respond from the lcd to tell rockbox that it has finished the update, and then you can reupdate. right
23:14:03barrywardellyes. i think so
23:16:17*amiconn ditches another would-have-been-nice idea for coldfire :/
23:16:43amiconnThe coldfire memory controller is less intelligent than expected...
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23:24:57Rellixcould somebody help me?
23:25:19linuxstbBagder: Can you add this to the download server?
23:25:34linuxstbAlso, can you move all the .m2v files to an "OLD" subdirectory?
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23:28:55midkay - could you put this where it needs to go in order to be used globally? like %Y% gets you the green checkmark on any page..
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23:34:32doktoreashi toa ll
23:35:35ctaylorrdoktoreas: hi
23:36:17doktoreasi have installed a snapshoot of 30/12
23:36:28doktoreasand now i can't see anymore my ipod mini on thunar
23:36:34linuxstbRellix: What's your problem?
23:37:30linuxstbAh, Rellix left...
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23:38:33doktoreasalso with lsusb i can't see it
23:40:48ctaylorrdoktoreas: I think everyone's silence suggests taht you need to be more specific. What exactly is the problem.
23:41:11doktoreasctaylorr, i have installed a snapshot of rockbox on my gen2 mini ipod
23:41:28doktoreasright now it's plugged at my linucbox, but i can't see it with lsusb
23:41:47doktoreasand, also if is connected, the battery value doesn't change
23:42:11ctaylorrdoktoreas: are you using a guide of some sort?
23:42:48doktoreasguide from site
23:42:48ctaylorrdoktoreas: (I don't own an ipod. Just trying to get you to explain the problem more fully so someone will help you).
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23:43:33doktoreasthis is with ipodsearch
23:43:53doktoreasi would go back to original firmware, but i don't know how access it...
23:44:13ctaylorrdoktoreas: what happens when you try to turn the device on?
23:44:25doktoreasrockbox starts fine
23:44:37ctaylorrdoktoreas: try plugging it in while rockbox is still running.
23:44:58linuxstbdoktoreas: Turn the hold switch on immediately after booting to start the Apple firmware.
23:45:32linuxstbHold SELECT+PLAY immediately after booting to force your ipod into disk mode.
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23:46:43doktoreasok now it's ook i rebooted and then i set up the hold swtich
23:46:58doktoreasnow it continues saying loading original firmware
23:47:03doktoreasbut nothing happen
23:47:55ctaylorrdoktoreas: you need to be more specific. what are you doing, and what do you expect to happen?
23:47:59linuxstbForce it into disk mode.
23:48:47daurnimatorhey linuxboy
23:49:03daurnimatoranything you want about 402?
23:49:03doktoreaslinuxstb, ok now i am in disk mode
23:49:11daurnimatori'm going away on holidays for a while now
23:49:16doktoreasctaylorr, i wanna transfer files from my pc to ipod
23:49:24linuxstbYou are possibly running into two different recent bugs - 1) The new installation method isn't starting the original firmware on some ipods; 2) USB detection seems to be broken in some builds of Rockbox.
23:49:31doktoreaslinuxstb, now i can see ipod on thunar
23:49:55linuxstbdarnimator: No thanks, I'm fine...
23:52:09daurnimatorin that case, i'll see you all later
23:52:59doktoreaslinuxstb, i have installed the current snapshoot
23:53:57doktoreaslinuxstb, same things, i can't see ipod from thunar
23:54:08doktoreasusing rockbox, i need to be in diskmode to move mp3 to it?
23:54:37doktoreasops it seems freezed
23:54:41linuxstbNormally Rockbox will detect USB and reboot you into disk mode automatically. But as I said, that appears to be broken in some builds.
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23:55:06doktoreasit says freezed
23:55:12doktoreaswith the usb logo on it
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23:55:36linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode.
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23:55:48Soaplinuxstb: all the new elephants dream mpg s are -q6 VRB?
23:56:37linuxstbThey are the same video streams, I've just multiplexed them with the audio.
23:56:40linuxstbSo yes.
23:57:01Soapthat was going to be my next question, cool, thanks.
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