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00:12:49 | farbrormelon | Hi, i have some problem with understanding the tutorial of patching rockbox. Someone that can help me? |
00:13:28 | linuxstb | How far have you got? Can you compile your own version of Rockbox without any patches applied? |
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00:14:34 | farbrormelon | no, i have installed cygwin and all that but if you look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#From_Daily_Build_page |
00:15:52 | farbrormelon | it says "Go to your C:\Rockbox\ folder, then "Home" and then "Guest" |
00:17:06 | farbrormelon | I have followed all the steps, but i dont have any rockbox folder of that kind, But i have the Cygwin-folder that includes the "Home" folder but not the "guest"... it's getting confusing |
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00:20:31 | takeda` | "gmake[1]: m68k-elf-gcc: Command not found" - anyone know how I get the gcc for m68k on FreeBSD 6.1? |
00:20:44 | takeda` | I never cross compiled before |
00:20:57 | Bagder | takeda`: tools/rockboxdev.sh is your friend |
00:21:21 | Lars_G | m68k? |
00:21:29 | Lars_G | there's a DAP based on the 68k? |
00:21:31 | Lars_G | cool |
00:21:34 | takeda` | X5L |
00:21:39 | Bagder | Lars_G: iriver/iaudio |
00:21:44 | takeda` | is using m68k compatible proc |
00:21:51 | Lars_G | Not motorola? |
00:21:57 | Bagder | well, freescale |
00:22:03 | Bagder | what used to be motorola |
00:22:04 | takeda` | it's compatible with the processor in Amiga 500 |
00:22:05 | takeda` | :) |
00:22:09 | Lars_G | Pardon the expression, I tought motorola had the 68k arch by the balls. |
00:22:16 | takeda` | hehe would be cool to have simple amiga emulator there ;P |
00:22:29 | Lars_G | Pretty nice, I liked the 68k though I must admit I'm a sucker for the ARM, specially pre-intel |
00:22:56 | Lars_G | takeda`: hmmm you give me ideas, actually... sad i don't have an iRiver |
00:23:08 | takeda` | hehe :) |
00:23:26 | takeda` | so you would code it? :) I think enough just to load games from amiga floppies and run them |
00:23:27 | takeda` | :) |
00:23:46 | Lars_G | takeda`: Not an amiga one, but I would try to port an Atari ST emulator to it |
00:23:59 | takeda` | hmm still would be good I guess |
00:24:00 | Lars_G | I miss my 1040ST and a DAP should be able to give enough power to emulate it |
00:24:06 | amiconn | The coldfire is not 100% m68k compatible |
00:24:06 | takeda` | although I would favor Amiga better :) |
00:24:13 | amiconn | Some instructions need emulation |
00:24:30 | Lars_G | amiconn: yes but if it's only a handfull, speeddown should be lesser than full emulation |
00:24:34 | takeda` | amiconn yeah, but I think emulation would still be easier than on x86 |
00:24:35 | takeda` | :) |
00:25:02 | Lars_G | Ah well, someday |
00:25:18 | Lars_G | I better start small, I've not yet had time to do the small stupid patch to metronome.c I wanted to do. sigh |
00:25:55 | takeda` | damn, actually I still don't have full Amiga speed on my PC even though it supposed to be 285 times faster |
00:26:23 | amiconn | huh? |
00:26:35 | Lars_G | could be an error on the timing or rtc code |
00:26:54 | Lars_G | if you have that many times more power... well it should be close to original speed at least. |
00:26:54 | amiconn | WinUAE is multiple times faster than the fastest real m68k amiga on half-decent pcs |
00:27:09 | Lars_G | amiconn: I don't use windows |
00:27:21 | takeda` | Bagder: Can I use different directory for installation than /usr/local? I don't want to mess with files that are installed through ports would be enough just to add new directory to the path? |
00:27:40 | Bagder | takeda`: sure, read the top of that script and edit the paths as you see fit |
00:27:45 | safetydan | Lars_G, your big problem would be emulating all the custom chips on the Amiga. Agnus, Paula, and friends. |
00:27:48 | Lars_G | takeda`: Using the script? you can edit it and change the paths |
00:28:01 | Lars_G | safetydan: Aye, it's a little lesser on the Atari |
00:28:02 | takeda` | amiconn: Well, I played bomberman on the last UAE and the sound couldn't keep up |
00:28:05 | amiconn | Lars_G: I guess there is a version of uae which does dynamic recompilation |
00:28:15 | takeda` | although older UAE version was faster |
00:28:57 | amiconn | That's what winuae does, and it runs multiple times faster than my real A4000-060/50 |
00:29:02 | takeda` | Bagder: Thank you, I'll try it now |
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00:29:16 | * | amiconn can actually compare to the real thing |
00:29:51 | * | bluebrother just notices the reopen request for FS #6384 got denied within 2 minutes :) |
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00:30:35 | bluebrother | Bagder, can we get a "not a bug" closing reason for FS? "Works for me" sounds a bit too much like "I can't reproduce it and define it as non-existant" to me |
00:30:46 | bluebrother | or is such a reason unwanted? |
00:31:13 | Bagder | nah, seems like a reasonable reason to me |
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00:31:36 | Llorean | How 'bout "Working as intended"? |
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00:32:09 | Lars_G | that sounds right ( Llorean's ) |
00:32:23 | Bagder | I think "not a bug" could apply to more situations |
00:32:36 | bluebrother | I like "not a bug" better. It tells clearly what has been reported isn't a bug. (Which also implies it to work as intended) |
00:33:11 | Lars_G | How about "that's how it works, moron" ? |
00:33:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: It could also apply to things that aren't working as intended, and merely aren't complete, or things that should be filed as a feature request, or a variety of other things. |
00:33:24 | Lars_G | Sorry 2 years of help desk does that to you |
00:33:32 | Llorean | "Not a bug" sounds vague to me, is all. |
00:33:41 | bluebrother | "works as intended" wouldn't fit on FS #6384 while "not a bug" would. |
00:33:54 | Llorean | Lars_G: I'm strongly in favour of a reason for closing "You couldn't be bothered to read the manual, so I couldn't be bothered to explain what you did wrong." |
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00:34:32 | Lars_G | Llorean: Too long, they'd start drooling around "manual" |
00:34:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: Actually, that's a "Didn't read the manual" case. |
00:34:57 | bluebrother | hehe, like "id10t error"? |
00:35:11 | Llorean | It is working as intended, he just didn't know you have to hold something down while inserting the charger. |
00:35:29 | Llorean | But I'm fine with "Not a bug", it is much more versatile. |
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00:35:59 | Llorean | In which case, I propose "Working as intended" to go along beside it, so that someone doesn't come back with a "Well, what is it then?" and request it be reopened in the cases where it IS working as intended. :) |
00:36:58 | bluebrother | That could go into the comment. Closed as "not a bug", comment "this is the intended behaviour" |
00:37:16 | bluebrother | in case it describes some "wrong" behaviour |
00:37:46 | Llorean | That works, I suppose. |
00:40:04 | bluebrother | too bad, still no new release of FS. |
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00:41:28 | Lars_G | fs? |
00:41:57 | bluebrother | Flyspray. Our task tracker |
00:42:14 | Lars_G | ah ok |
00:42:18 | bluebrother | http://www.flyspray.org/ |
00:42:20 | Lars_G | fs is pretty nice |
00:42:27 | Lars_G | You guys have taught me some love for it |
00:42:40 | Lars_G | normally I'm Trac's bitch |
00:42:48 | bluebrother | don't know since when they got the domain but it's definitely easier to remember ;-) |
00:43:20 | bluebrother | I never got used to trac. Found it always strange. |
00:44:03 | safetydan | trac is awesome... wish I could convince people to use it more |
00:44:45 | Lars_G | trac's interface is awesome. Installing and maintaining it server side is NOT awesome |
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00:47:27 | bluebrother | I guess I'll some day find the time to understand trac. But not for today ;-) |
00:48:19 | Lars_G | nah FS is very nice too |
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00:48:48 | Lars_G | I like FS's categorization system, and it's simpler to use than trac or bugtrack |
00:48:50 | Lars_G | bugzilla |
00:48:51 | Lars_G | doh |
00:49:06 | farbrormelon | Lars_G: Pratar du svenska? |
00:49:27 | Lars_G | farbrormelon: No. I'm latinamerican. |
00:49:40 | Lars_G | farbrormelon: I speak spanish, english and I'm learning 日本語 |
00:50:13 | farbrormelon | Ow.. |
00:50:16 | farbrormelon | =) |
00:50:34 | farbrormelon | Lars is a swedish name =) |
00:50:40 | Lars_G | Hai, I know |
00:50:52 | Lars_G | but i'm not swedish only my name is |
00:51:11 | farbrormelon | okok |
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00:59:18 | PaulPosition | Badger: ping? |
01:00 |
01:01:08 | Lars_G | don't ping a badger. they bite |
01:01:30 | Llorean | Bagder might respond to a ping though. |
01:01:34 | Llorean | He's a bit more amicable. |
01:01:57 | PaulPosition | ..but not as much as amiconn :p |
01:02:20 | PaulPosition | (Nah, Daniel's amicable enough. ;) ) |
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01:04:57 | * | Bagder looks around |
01:05:06 | PaulPosition | Heh... |
01:05:17 | PaulPosition | Badger: Just a quick question... |
01:06:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
01:07:10 | Bagder | is that a veeery long question you're working on now? ;-) |
01:07:15 | PaulPosition | Badger: Someone talked, few weeks ago, about building a survey sort of website whereby people could upload their .cfg files. Could maybe be used to set real sane defaults for stuff... I started working on a small php app but I won't have any room to host it.. |
01:07:21 | PaulPosition | Badger: I write slowly in english. |
01:07:43 | PaulPosition | Badger: Do you think you could make some use of it when I finish it.. I mean, would it be worth sending it to you? |
01:07:53 | Bagder | (oh and I am Bagder, not Badger... :-P) |
01:08:03 | PaulPosition | Owwww. |
01:08:18 | Llorean | Which is why I pointed out that "Bagder" might respond to a ping. :-P |
01:08:26 | Llorean | Which defaults aren't considered sane at this time? |
01:08:39 | * | PaulPosition hits himself on the head with a (frozen) trout. Hits harder, smells less. |
01:09:07 | PaulPosition | Llorean: Dunno.. I was just following someone's idea.. I guess 'sane' wasn't the right word. |
01:09:10 | * | Bagder gets 'badger' marked as well since it is such a frequent spell of his nick |
01:09:48 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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01:10:06 | Llorean | PaulPosition: I'm not sure how much use having a bunch of people submit their configs will be for it though |
01:10:10 | Bagder | PaulPosition: I think such a site might perhaps attract some users and even possibly be useful to some, but I don't see how it would help us work on the defaults nor do I feel any particular need for us (the official rockbox project) to host it |
01:10:25 | Llorean | A lot of people use various EQ presets, Crossfeed, Replaygain, etc, all of which are sound altering and should default to off |
01:10:48 | Bagder | but now I really need to sleep |
01:10:52 | PaulPosition | Right... |
01:10:52 | Llorean | It's mostly just a default backlight setting, disk settings, max files in folder, and a couple others. |
01:10:53 | dewdude_ | cfg repositories, good idea. do it on your own. the rockbox crew has enough to worry about. |
01:11:23 | PaulPosition | Forget it, then.. I'm not into pushing stuff on people. :p |
01:11:40 | linuxstb | It's not a repository, my idea was simply to have a survey of peopl'e's config files, and to publish the results. What we do with the results will depend on what they are... |
01:11:51 | PaulPosition | and cfg repository would be uberstupid, with all the defs, ifdefs and such.. |
01:11:58 | * | dewdude_ shrugs |
01:12:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: Or a survey of what people have very specific settings set to. |
01:12:08 | dewdude_ | a survey idea of people's configs is just as stupid |
01:12:26 | Lars_G | dewdude_ is pretty raw |
01:12:40 | Llorean | I'm curious how many people have changed the max files in folder setting, for example. |
01:13:17 | gotthardt | i changed mine - i have the top 500 rock hits |
01:13:18 | Lars_G | Llorean: I know the only change I'll do tonight (right now thanks for reminding me) is adding track numbers in tagnavi for the Artist tree |
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01:14:05 | Llorean | I changed mine because I haven't sorted the OCRemix torrent yet. |
01:14:42 | Llorean | But other than that one folder, even 100 is more than enough for me. |
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01:15:48 | * | amiconn usually reduces 'max playlist size' on hd targets to 3000, and on flash targets to 1000 |
01:16:12 | amiconn | I also reduce 'max files in dir' to 100 on flash targets. On hd targets I use the default |
01:16:19 | Lars_G | Llorean: How come fmt_title is defined twice? |
01:16:42 | Lars_G | Llorean: Are definitions considered to be a "push" and ussage to be a "pop"? |
01:16:52 | Llorean | amiconn: I forget all about the playlist size, I should reduce that. |
01:17:26 | Llorean | Lars_G: I have no clue where you're even talking about. :) I'm not a programmer on this project. |
01:17:38 | Lars_G | advanced user? |
01:17:45 | Lars_G | The court jester? |
01:17:49 | Llorean | "Minor irritation" |
01:17:51 | Lars_G | valet parking! |
01:17:56 | Lars_G | Ah ok. |
01:18:08 | Lars_G | I'm more like "itch in the middle of your back" |
01:18:36 | Lars_G | I begin small, and grow until all you want is to smash against a wall until i go away |
01:18:41 | PaulPosition | yeah right, and I'm the bublegum that sticks in your hair. |
01:19:08 | Lars_G | PaulPosition: That's quick, just get scissors |
01:19:37 | Lars_G | So anyone familiar with tagnavi.conf? don't send me off to the wiki I'm in a social mood today :( |
01:20:00 | Llorean | tagnavi isn't well documented in the wiki anyway, I believe |
01:20:12 | Llorean | There's a forum thread with a rather solid sample one somewhere. |
01:20:33 | Lars_G | problem is not the sample, it's just that the way it seems to be working by reading the file is... odd |
01:20:39 | Lars_G | not odd, just highly uncommon |
01:21:04 | Llorean | Lars_G: I believe you should ask Slasheri about that then (unless my memory's broken again) |
01:21:14 | Lars_G | ok |
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01:22:37 | Lars_G | What was the button to avoid the OF loading on conenction to pc? |
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01:22:47 | Llorean | On iPods, Menu |
01:22:51 | Lars_G | thanks |
01:23:23 | Lars_G | :O |
01:23:27 | Lars_G | Llorean: can i hug you? |
01:23:36 | Llorean | I think I'll pass. :-P |
01:23:39 | Lars_G | I never noticed the hold-menu quick settings |
01:23:51 | Llorean | Hahaha |
01:23:56 | Llorean | A lot of people miss those |
01:23:58 | Lars_G | it's amazing! the three settings I change the most usually! without looking for them in settings! |
01:24:01 | takeda` | Bagder: Are you still there? |
01:24:06 | * | Lars_G weeps |
01:24:10 | Lars_G | I love rockbox |
01:24:11 | Lars_G | so much |
01:24:21 | Lars_G | goddam I have $5 on my account I think I'll donate these now |
01:24:27 | Llorean | Hehehe |
01:24:48 | takeda` | or anyone |
01:24:57 | takeda` | I have following error: |
01:24:57 | takeda` | /var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s: Assembler messages: |
01:24:58 | takeda` | /var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored |
01:24:58 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK takeda` |
01:24:58 | takeda` | /var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s:41: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored |
01:25:01 | barrywardell | what's the status of USB support in rockbox? is there any target that has a usb msc mode within rockbox? |
01:25:33 | amiconn | msc mode? |
01:25:43 | Llorean | amiconn: UMS for flash |
01:25:51 | Llorean | It seems to be popular now to call it MSC |
01:26:01 | amiconn | If you mean mass storage, yes |
01:26:28 | barrywardell | yes, mass storage |
01:26:54 | Llorean | Apparently MSC is the official acronym, while UMS is just the popular one according to wikipedia |
01:27:10 | barrywardell | i think the usb spec calls it msc |
01:27:27 | barrywardell | anyway, which targets support it? and where is the relevant code? |
01:27:44 | amiconn | All earlier rockbox targets (all archoses, iriver h100 series, h300, and x5) have mass storage support within rockbox, but it's handled in hardware |
01:28:26 | Lars_G | Llorean: De facto Standard vs. De Jure Standard |
01:28:29 | barrywardell | ah. |
01:28:30 | amiconn | Those targets have a dedicated usb-ata (or usb-mmc) bridge; rockbox just needs to flip some port bits and refrain from controlling ata itself |
01:28:49 | barrywardell | not much use for portalplayer targets so :( |
01:28:54 | amiconn | nope |
01:29:14 | amiconn | The pp targets (and afaik gigabeat as well) needs a device-side usb stack |
01:29:26 | Llorean | Lars_G: Well, they're the same standards, just different names for it. So, De fact and De jure names. |
01:29:27 | Lars_G | which is not done.. I guess? |
01:29:30 | linuxstb | I _think_ the gigabeat has a hardware bridge as well. |
01:29:36 | Lars_G | Llorean: you're right |
01:29:51 | Llorean | Well, the USB stack is also a step toward USB host as well, isn't it? |
01:29:59 | Lars_G | Llorean: Not necesarily |
01:30:07 | barrywardell | so just the pp targets are going to be hard work |
01:30:19 | Lars_G | many CPUs/ICs are phisically unable to act as host. |
01:30:35 | Llorean | Lars_G: We have some that are physically capable though, I was referencing them specifically in this case. :) |
01:30:44 | Llorean | USB Host in here pretty much refers to the H300 and the X5. |
01:30:49 | Lars_G | ok |
01:30:53 | Lars_G | What arch are they based on? |
01:31:02 | Lars_G | both are 68k? |
01:31:06 | Llorean | They're both in our Coldfire m68k, yes |
01:31:10 | Lars_G | nod |
01:31:14 | amiconn | Llorean: As far as I understand what petur found out, the philips isp1362 is pretty special |
01:31:22 | Lars_G | because on the arm side I've not seen an arm with a built in host mode in use yet |
01:31:32 | Llorean | amiconn: Special? |
01:31:42 | linuxstb | The PP502x have USB host hardware. |
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01:31:48 | barrywardell | they have usbotg |
01:31:56 | Lars_G | then I stand corrected |
01:32:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That's different? |
01:32:26 | amiconn | Special in that it provides much hardware support. Philips also provides an example programs whose code can be used freely |
01:32:40 | amiconn | ...but is probably of very little use for different chips |
01:32:55 | Lars_G | Question, what happened to the varible file list possitioning patch? it has been long since it applies to cvs but afaik looking at the code the cvs doesn't has support for it, yet, right? |
01:33:00 | barrywardell | linuxstb: there's a little more to it than just a host. there's also controlling whether it's in host or device mode, etc. it's almost the same though. |
01:33:16 | barrywardell | usbotg is an addition to usb2.0 |
01:33:37 | Lars_G | is there no open usb stack the team could grab and reuse out there? or is it more a matter of cpu specific configuring/calls than the stack itself? |
01:33:45 | amiconn | Two usbotg devices can also negotiate which one will act as the host |
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01:33:58 | Lars_G | oh... |
01:34:18 | Lars_G | amiconn: That would be wonderfull for coupling rockboxed devices on the go, even if it requires a special cable |
01:34:43 | barrywardell | device mode would be easier to do than otg though |
01:35:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Seems you're right when looking at firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/usb-meg-fx.c:usb_enable() |
01:36:51 | amiconn | Lars_G: Linux has an open usb stack, but my guess is that adapting that is more work than implementing one from scratch, adapted to the way rockbox works |
01:37:14 | Lars_G | amiconn: I would look at the other world I delve on. Embedded programming |
01:37:37 | Lars_G | amiconn: For example, direct arm, avr and pic programming, specially arm and avr since there are gcc targets for them |
01:38:03 | Llorean | Does ArchOpen or any of the other ones have a USB stack? |
01:38:48 | barrywardell | the driver we have for the pp usb is for linux, so that makes using a linux like usb stack a nicer option... |
01:39:10 | barrywardell | nicer=easier |
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01:39:59 | * | scorche wonders why the KnowledgeMap page hasnt gotten any love |
01:40:56 | barrywardell | everyone is too modest |
01:41:01 | Llorean | scorche: Nobody wants to be pestered by "How do I play my music" questions if they fill in the playback bit, or "How do I make Doom work" if they do plugins |
01:41:30 | Lars_G | If there was a "useless members" category, i'd jot myself in |
01:41:45 | scorche | Llorean: well, it is to be used for development purposes...i doubt normal people would find it after i take it off the topic |
01:42:09 | * | scorche resigns to asking devs and filling it out himself |
01:43:48 | safetydan | Some of us just don't really have much to write in there :) |
01:46:05 | linuxstb | scorche: It wasn't clear to me if you were looking for lists of developers who have the knowledge (and various targets), or the knowledge itself? |
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01:47:00 | Llorean | List of developers. |
01:47:11 | Llorean | At least, that's the impression I got. |
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01:50:37 | linuxstb | On the subject of ignored wiki pages, there is a table in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer waiting for test results for the various targets to be filled in... |
01:51:30 | scorche | linuxstb: knowledge in general |
01:51:51 | scorche | of the code mainly, except for strong knowledge in the hardware section |
01:52:25 | scorche | eg, you for ipods in general, dan_a for 3g, barrywardell for h10, amiconn for archos, etc |
01:52:43 | amiconn | meh |
01:53:05 | * | amiconn points out that he is not only an archos specialist |
01:53:23 | * | scorche points out that he didnt say you were....just as an example |
01:53:23 | Llorean | Well, that's why you should fill in the list. :-P |
01:53:29 | Lars_G | Don't worry we know you're incredibly smart in other areas. |
01:53:33 | scorche | which is why i wanted the devs themselves to fill it out |
01:53:49 | scorche | Llorean: yeah ;) |
01:53:52 | Llorean | Lars_G: If you want a problem solved, get amiconn interested enough in it. :-P |
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01:54:20 | Llorean | He'll either fix it, or tell you why it makes the code too big. *grin* |
01:54:26 | Lars_G | lol |
01:54:53 | Lars_G | Yes I think it was amiconn who tried to bribe me with money to come up with a test to point out the source of the battery life on ipods |
01:55:02 | Lars_G | battery life [problems] |
01:55:09 | Llorean | Speaking of that sort of thing, Shawn_K did actually post a .patch (sorta, it's in the forums) with other changes, but I haven't even glanced at it yet. |
01:58:04 | linuxstb | A .rar file at rapidshare.de, couldn't be more inconvenient.... |
01:58:45 | Llorean | I know... |
01:58:58 | scorche | how many times must we mention the tracker? |
01:59:13 | Alonea | doesn anyone one why rockbox would not work with a gigabeat with the original firmware? trying to help someone and seeing if anyone here has any ideas. We have checked and rechecked the bootloader. He even tried the one I have on my gigabeat and still no go. He also can't seem to update the the latest version of gigabeat. we are currently trying different countries. |
01:59:15 | scorche | at least he made a patch though, so we are making some progress... |
01:59:29 | * | barrywardell downloads the elephants dream test videos |
01:59:44 | scorche | Alonea: #gigabeat would be a better area for that |
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02:00:04 | hachi | I'd put up money for rockbox on my ipod... I bought it just for that reason... only offer I've seen so far costs me an additional ipod and isn't guaranteed |
02:00:09 | * | Llorean wonders why the Gigabeat port keeps so separate like that. |
02:00:10 | Alonea | yeah, I was asking in there and no response. So I was seeing if anyone over here had an idea or two. |
02:00:35 | CpuWhiz | can i use the cvs/daily build for my ipod 5.5g (30GB) or should/do i use one of the unsupported builds in the forums |
02:00:43 | Llorean | hachi: The simplest solution would be "Buy an older iPod" if you're willing to spend money on it. |
02:00:44 | Lars_G | hachi: nano G2? |
02:01:01 | Llorean | CpuWhiz: Yes, the CVS build will work fine. |
02:01:04 | hachi | 5.5 80GB |
02:01:09 | Lars_G | Why is broadcom such a pita in general? |
02:01:22 | * | Lars_G sighs |
02:01:54 | hachi | Llorean: well... I wasn't intending to spend 1000 bucks on ipods, that's why I don't want to buy another |
02:02:06 | Llorean | hachi: Sell the 80gb, buy a 60gb. :-P |
02:02:17 | Llorean | hachi: Money isn't magically going to make the process any faster. It'll happen when it does |
02:02:33 | Llorean | If you want it sooner, you should (or should've) buy an iPod that is supported. Otherwise, just have patience. |
02:02:45 | Lars_G | Or help with the code. :) |
02:04:33 | hachi | I'll have another go at building it myself... but last time I tried I couldn't even get the same errors that they speak of in the ports forum |
02:04:55 | hachi | my ipod would just dump into the 'recover' screen the moment I turned it on |
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02:09:45 | CpuWhiz | Llorean: this one, right? http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip |
02:12:39 | Llorean | Yes |
02:12:41 | Llorean | I believe so. |
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02:17:05 | CpuWhiz | it boots fast huh |
02:17:46 | Lars_G | it does |
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02:17:57 | Lars_G | 2.5 seconds on my nano |
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02:20:22 | CpuWhiz | so it's not going to pickup the songs from the iPod_Control folder? |
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02:22:39 | dewdude_ | unless you browse it. |
02:22:56 | Llorean | Or use database |
02:22:59 | CpuWhiz | i was asking because i didn't see the folder in the browser |
02:23:17 | dewdude_ | yeah, because the hidden flag is enabled on it. |
02:23:31 | dewdude_ | seeing as i have nothing in my ipod_control folder, i never bothered to figure out how to enable it |
02:23:34 | CpuWhiz | ah, the would do it huh |
02:23:52 | dewdude_ | yup. |
02:24:19 | webguest96 | Hi all, am using rockbox on ipod nano and it doesn't order the songs based on the track number meta tag. Is there a way to get it to do that? |
02:24:43 | linuxstb | View in database mode, or rename your files to include the track number at the start. |
02:26:44 | CpuWhiz | sounds like i get to boot into windows to fix the hidden flag :( |
02:27:07 | webguest96 | general settings -> file view? |
02:27:15 | linuxstb | CpuWhiz: Or change Rockbox to show all files. |
02:27:24 | linuxstb | (it's an option) |
02:27:45 | linuxstb | webguest96: Yes, but you also need to initialise the database (followed by a shutdown and restart). |
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02:29:38 | CpuWhiz | ok, 2 more question, 1) how do i get back to the file browser while it's playing |
02:29:43 | webguest96 | it doesn't seem to support flac metadata, the db view is empty |
02:30:20 | Lars_G | CpuWhiz: what device? iPod? |
02:30:28 | Lars_G | CpuWhiz: click "select" (middle button) |
02:30:53 | CpuWhiz | thanks |
02:30:58 | hachi | webguest96: I don't really know about this, but perhaps OGG/FLAC would support metadata instead |
02:31:04 | Lars_G | it's $5 |
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02:31:13 | Lars_G | :D |
02:31:16 | CpuWhiz | and my 2nd question, do i need another font for my japanese tags (and do you know of one i can use) |
02:31:28 | Llorean | webguest96: It's indexed my FLACs properly. |
02:31:31 | Lars_G | There is a font that supports japanese, but I forget the name |
02:31:46 | Llorean | CpuWhiz: I think Unifont is the most comprehensive for unicode support |
02:31:48 | Lars_G | if you find which one it is, let me know I want to change my whole ipod to japanese lang |
02:31:56 | Lars_G | Ah yes unifont should work |
02:33:28 | linuxstb | hachi: Rockbox doesn't support Ogg/FLAC. But metadata in standard FLAC files works. |
02:33:28 | Lars_G | I wonder if I should port a smaller/"cuter" japanese capable font to rockbox |
02:33:40 | linuxstb | webguest96: Is the metadata displayed in the WPS when you play your FLAC files? |
02:33:53 | Lars_G | doesn't support flac? o.O |
02:34:05 | linuxstb | It doesn't support FLAC in the Ogg container. |
02:34:16 | linuxstb | It supports native FLAC files - i.e. .flac |
02:34:56 | Lars_G | Ahhh ok ok |
02:35:07 | Lars_G | phew |
02:35:10 | webguest96 | linuxstb: yes I see all of the meta info when playing just the order is wrong |
02:36:11 | linuxstb | It sounds like you haven't initialised the database correctly. What did you do? |
02:36:25 | CpuWhiz | it seems it froze, how do i reset it? |
02:36:36 | linuxstb | Hold MENU+SELECT |
02:38:20 | Alonea | hey, does that work on the gigabeat too? I have had mine freeze before and I had no idea how to unfreeze it other than turn the battery switch off |
02:38:34 | linuxstb | It's a hardware reset built into the ipods. |
02:39:01 | linuxstb | I guess the battery switch is the Gigabeat equivalent. |
02:39:29 | CpuWhiz | where is the font setting |
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02:40:48 | webguest96 | the reset seems to have worked, now the db view works. Thanks! |
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02:43:04 | Alonea | well, before with the original firmware, all you had to do was hold down the power button and it would turn off. |
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02:44:39 | linuxstb | Alonea: Rockbox should have a normal shutdown button, I don't know what it is on the Gigabeat though (assuming it's been implemented). |
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02:47:18 | Alonea | I will ask around. |
02:47:59 | CpuWhiz | now i just need to find that script i made that fixes all the tags (via the xml file) itunes likes to forget to write to the file |
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02:50:17 | Soap | there is an experimental itunesDB to rockbox DB program in the wiki. I can't speak to its current status. |
02:50:55 | Alonea | ah, well, I just hate having to reset the time so much. someone mentioned holding down menu and select to reset it, but thats for the ipod. |
02:51:16 | Alonea | ignore that... |
02:51:59 | Llorean | Alonea: Are you asking for a power off, or a reset. They're considered two very different things |
02:52:01 | CpuWhiz | how do i get back into the original firmware? |
02:52:36 | Llorean | CpuWhiz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
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02:53:44 | Alonea | oh, well, it kept freezing and I could not get it to power off/reset unless I used the battery switch. Used to, with the original firmware, you could still turn it off with the power button even if it froze |
02:54:22 | d4ft | does rockbox have any sort of "podcast sorting" like the default ipod firmware |
02:54:33 | d4ft | ? |
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02:56:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Were those mpegplayer results with the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch? |
02:57:26 | d4ft | i use amarok and love the integration of podcasts |
02:58:03 | linuxstb | No-one has implemented anything specific to podcasts into Rockbox. |
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03:00:01 | d4ft | thanks, maybe sometime i might even try to right a plugin |
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03:00:32 | d4ft | how hard you think that might be? |
03:00:43 | linuxstb | What exactly do you want Rockbox to do? |
03:00:48 | Llorean | It seems like it'd serve better as a function of Database. |
03:00:58 | webguest36 | i have no idea what im doing.. but i need a gigabeat bootloader. what should i do? |
03:01:21 | Llorean | All you'd have to do is get bookmarking working on Database, add a "Mark when finished" option to database, and then have a category that is Genre == Podcast and "Mark when finished" in your tagnavi. |
03:01:36 | Llorean | webguest36: Wait until one is made available. |
03:01:54 | d4ft | organize podcasts according to date or without having to manually edit playlists and stuff |
03:02:01 | webguest36 | or otherwise make my own? |
03:02:16 | linuxstb | d4ft: Rockbox has a sort-by-file-date option already. |
03:02:17 | debauched_sloth | d4ft, I'm interested in helping with this |
03:02:17 | webguest36 | cus dang i dont think i could manage that |
03:02:21 | debauched_sloth | VERY |
03:02:34 | Alonea | i am hosting one... |
03:02:53 | linuxstb | Or the simpliest option would just be to name the podcasts with the date at the start - e.g. 2007-01-02-mypodcast.mp3 |
03:03:33 | d4ft | but that is alot of work compared to the apple podcasting features |
03:03:38 | webguest36 | ..........anyone by anychange use a gigabeat? |
03:03:41 | webguest36 | chance* |
03:04:13 | Alonea | I was hosting it for someone else who needed one, but its still up. I dont remember where I originally got the gigabeat bootloader but it works. Is it ok if I post the link here? |
03:04:22 | webguest36 | yes |
03:04:32 | webguest36 | as long as it works |
03:04:34 | linuxstb | d4ft: As Llorean says, it's probably best done with the database. But that's assuming your podcasts contain good metadata. |
03:05:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't really know the full features of Apple's method, but I think that'd actually about cover it, as far as I'm aware. |
03:05:12 | d4ft | with amarok or itunes there are features that allow you to update and sync and organize regardless of the lazziness |
03:05:23 | Alonea | http://myweb.cableone.net/Tx-Files9/FWIMG01.DAT |
03:05:49 | webguest36 | uhh |
03:05:55 | webguest36 | its notepad with a bunch of squares |
03:05:55 | Alonea | its my private page my cable company gave me. I use it to upload files to people |
03:06:15 | Alonea | oh, what browser you using? you gotta save the actual file. |
03:06:16 | Llorean | d4ft: Those features are host-side, though |
03:06:20 | linuxstb | df4t: What I don't think Rockbox should do is to try and integrate with proprietory software like itunes. It's a never-ending battle to maintain compatibility. With some thought, I'm sure a solution can be found though. |
03:06:24 | webguest36 | aol.. lol. i saved it |
03:06:26 | Llorean | d4ft: And would have absolutely nothing to do with Rockbox. |
03:06:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
03:07:12 | webguest36 | alonea: well i opened it.. incase its something crazy.. hah |
03:07:15 | d4ft | i used to have a zen micro and try to listen to podcasts with it. but was really crappy compared to the ipod firmware |
03:07:18 | Llorean | Rockbox would just need to store whether or not a file has been finished in its database, and whether or not it's marked as a "Podcast" (or audiobook, or other programs to do this with) (don't even need to require genre) and then any syncing program can have its own related function |
03:07:32 | Llorean | For example erasing, and replacing, any files that are marked as "Finished" with the Podcast flag |
03:07:47 | d4ft | and i dont like appple |
03:07:53 | Alonea | yeah, it will look like garbled text in notepad. tis fun to stare at in confusion. and this is the file directly off my gigabeat that I am using right at this moment |
03:08:51 | d4ft | maybe rockbox could integrate with something like amarok or anything open source |
03:08:54 | webguest36 | your possitive? |
03:09:05 | webguest36 | with one s |
03:09:26 | Llorean | d4ft: Or Amarok could integrate with Rockbox |
03:09:37 | Llorean | Rockbox already has its own database format. |
03:09:45 | Llorean | It's the choice of host-side software whether it'll support it or not |
03:09:47 | Alonea | webguest36: yes. its perfectly fine. It works. and you are supposed to back up your original bootloader anyway. |
03:10:21 | d4ft | or maybe there could be a "podcast" folder where apps like bashpodder, juice could sync with |
03:10:49 | Llorean | d4ft: What do you even *mean* by that? |
03:11:01 | Llorean | You also keep referring to ipod-specific apps |
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03:11:17 | d4ft | and it would tell you if you have already listened to the episode |
03:11:30 | Llorean | d4ft: Did you read what I said regarding Database? |
03:11:38 | webguest36 | alonea: what original bootloader.. the rock box program? *sighs* im terrible at this |
03:11:40 | linuxstb | d4ft: You could start a wiki page with ideas about how to implement podcast support in Rockbox. |
03:11:58 | Llorean | webguest36: Did you read the install instructions? |
03:11:59 | linuxstb | I expect the main issue is integrating with PC-side software. |
03:12:08 | webguest36 | haha yea |
03:12:08 | Llorean | webguest36:the official ones, in the manual |
03:12:28 | Llorean | webguest36: Because it tells you *exactly* which file to backup |
03:12:52 | d4ft | no, amarok supports several different mp3 players including iriver ift and the creative nomad |
03:12:58 | Alonea | webguest36: Ok, in the instructions, it tells you to rename the original bootloader your gigabeat came with, as in toshiba's bootloader, to fwimg01.dat.orig or something similar |
03:13:12 | d4ft | AND generic audio players |
03:13:15 | Llorean | d4ft: Then Amarok can choose to support the Rockbox database. If THEY want to. |
03:13:22 | Alonea | webguest36: the bootloader I gave you is for loading rockbox |
03:13:40 | webguest36 | wait which do i do.. rename the original or get a new one? |
03:13:40 | Llorean | The only way Rockbox could support Amarok is if it started mimicing some other database format that Amarok already knows |
03:13:48 | Llorean | And if Amarok supports Generic MP3 player, then it already supports Rockbox. |
03:13:56 | webguest36 | oh. both.. |
03:13:59 | linuxstb | "Rockbox" is people as well as software... |
03:14:02 | webguest36 | i see where it sayts to rename |
03:14:10 | Alonea | webguest36: you rename the one that came with your gigabeat |
03:14:32 | linuxstb | The Rockbox community (users and devs) need to talk to the Amarok community. But I agree it would probably need Amarok devs to do the work. |
03:14:41 | linuxstb | ^would need to |
03:14:52 | Alonea | webguest36: the file I gave you will not be renamed |
03:15:07 | webguest36 | alonea: and then i move the rename one (it says)... do i still need another? |
03:15:29 | webguest36 | or the one you gave me can be in addition to the original, unnamed |
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03:15:54 | d4ft | it does support rockbox but it would be great if it had thepodcast integration |
03:16:35 | linuxstb | Which would probably need a change to Rockbox, and a change to Amarok... |
03:16:43 | Alonea | webguest36: You will have 2 files. the original that has been renamed so it doesn't load and you still have it as a backup, and the file I gave you. |
03:17:00 | Llorean | And I think the change to Rockbox would mostly be the ones I listed regarding a Podcast flag and a "Finished" flag in the database. |
03:17:11 | d4ft | maybe small details with rockbox and a few changes in amarok and this would be very possible |
03:17:17 | Llorean | I *think* that those two flags would be the minimum required for pretty solid podcast support |
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03:18:26 | webguest36 | private chat? this is confusing |
03:18:33 | webguest36 | alonea |
03:19:00 | d4ft | o ya, and maybe feed organization |
03:19:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes. with kernel_on_cop_6. they're a bit disappointing |
03:19:48 | d4ft | do most rockbox users use linux also |
03:19:50 | d4ft | ? |
03:20:11 | linuxstb | barrywardell: What do you get for test_fps? |
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03:20:42 | Llorean | d4ft: Isn't Feed Organization host side again? |
03:21:18 | d4ft | yes, very true, my bad |
03:21:31 | barrywardell | linuxstb: last time i checked, I got the values in the LcdFrameRate wiki page |
03:21:35 | barrywardell | i'll test again now... |
03:21:38 | Llorean | Remember that Rockbox, the software, is *just* on the MP3 player, and has nothing to do with what happens on the PC |
03:21:41 | d4ft | my bad is stupid to say actually |
03:21:52 | d4ft | well duh |
03:22:03 | d4ft | its "my bad" |
03:22:05 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, I've just found them - 40.5fps on the H10, compared to 48.5fps on the ipod Color. |
03:22:35 | Llorean | d4ft: You should really look into what tagnavi can do, and then figure out which key features it's missing that would be needed for proper sorting of Podcasts. Then, once you've got that, file a feature request. |
03:23:00 | Llorean | d4ft: After you've done that, contact Amarok through whatever path they have for feature requests, and try to convince them to add support for the Rockbox database format |
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03:23:31 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Maybe the lcd_yuv_blit() for the H10 doesn't include the optimisations that have been applied to the ipod version. |
03:23:53 | jadedlilalie2k7 | I have a question on how to install a WPC theme for my 5.5G iPod |
03:24:30 | barrywardell | linuxstb: lcd_yuv_blit() hasn't changed since the first version you gave me iirc |
03:25:26 | linuxstb | Someone (I forget who) wrote a few patches optimising it on the ipod. I can't remember if the H10 version was from before or after those patches though. |
03:25:51 | linuxstb | Seems your LCD driver could also benefit from a boost... |
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03:28:49 | Alonea | webguest36: did you get my pm? |
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03:29:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the h10 version came after those patches |
03:30:41 | linuxstb | I'm just testing the 160x128 version on my ipod Color, and it's around 34fps... |
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03:33:15 | barrywardell | linuxstb: test_fps results are the same now as in the wiki |
03:35:27 | linuxstb | It's odd that mpegplayer is slower than the test_fps differences would indicate though. |
03:35:57 | Alexinc | is there a rockbox ipod channel? |
03:36:25 | linuxstb | This seems to be it most of the time... |
03:36:37 | linuxstb | But no, there are no target-specific channels. |
03:36:56 | Alexinc | there is for gigabeat :] |
03:38:02 | linuxstb | Not officially. |
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03:41:28 | barrywardell | the ipod lcd drive does it's lcd_update a little differently than the h10 driver |
03:42:17 | barrywardell | the h10 driver only uses the base lcd address. the ipod driver uses other undocumented addresses |
03:42:37 | * | barrywardell adds lcd experiments to his todo list |
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04:03:03 | drapgigabeatf10 | good evening, I have questions about gigabeat f10...can anyone help? :) |
04:03:47 | linuxstb | Best to ask your question, and wait to see if anyone can answer. |
04:03:58 | drapgigabeatf10 | sounds like a plan... |
04:04:31 | drapgigabeatf10 | I've read the instructions and I think it's wise to save my current original configuration before I change the bootloader...I can get to the core, but can't find the original .dat image.. |
04:04:47 | drapgigabeatf10 | in the instructions, there's a note that says it might be " doubly " hidden |
04:04:52 | drapgigabeatf10 | that's the part I don't get.. . |
04:05:46 | drapgigabeatf10 | ( accessing from a Windows box, btw... ) |
04:05:48 | Llorean | What instructions are you following? |
04:06:30 | drapgigabeatf10 | from the rockbox's website as well as its own forums.. |
04:07:18 | drapgigabeatf10 | to be more precise : |
04:07:20 | drapgigabeatf10 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
04:07:43 | Llorean | Try following the manual |
04:08:16 | drapgigabeatf10 | The manual itself doesn't mention anything about the bootloader, as far as I can see, unfortunately... |
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04:08:42 | Llorean | Oh, it's in the manual, but I guess that's not until the next daily build |
04:08:55 | Llorean | Anyway, the file is on your drive, but it's hidden so you have to type in the path manual |
04:09:20 | Llorean | Just type X:\GBSYSTEM\FWIMG into Explorer, where X is your gigabeat's drive |
04:09:35 | drapgigabeatf10 | right, and that should give me access to the folder itself right away? |
04:09:39 | drapgigabeatf10 | hmm, let's see! |
04:10:39 | drapgigabeatf10 | it actually says path incorrect, etc.. |
04:11:53 | Llorean | Windows doesn't say "Path incorrect" when a folder isn't there... |
04:12:14 | drapgigabeatf10 | no it doesn't, I was merely summing it for you |
04:12:38 | drapgigabeatf10 | cannot find file: ///g:/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG |
04:12:49 | drapgigabeatf10 | Make sure the path or internet address is correct |
04:12:52 | drapgigabeatf10 | is what it says |
04:13:12 | Llorean | And there's no visible GBSYSTEM folder on your G: drive when you've got it set to show hidden files and not hide system files (check both of these settings) |
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04:13:25 | drapgigabeatf10 | I can se GBSYSTEM |
04:13:38 | drapgigabeatf10 | but not the FWIMG folder... |
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04:15:29 | jba | what gigiabeat do you have? |
04:15:33 | drapgigabeatf10 | f10 |
04:15:45 | jba | what's inside the gbsystem folder |
04:16:21 | drapgigabeatf10 | DATADLT3.DAT - DATATS3.DAT - DNODE3.DAT |
04:16:29 | drapgigabeatf10 | only those 3 files.. |
04:18:45 | drapgigabeatf10 | actually, typo on the second one, it's DATALST3.DAT |
04:18:54 | drapgigabeatf10 | but i'm sure that doesn't change much |
04:19:07 | jba | dude you need to make it show hiddne operating system files |
04:19:17 | drapgigabeatf10 | I checked :) |
04:19:19 | jba | cause if you don't have the fwimg folder there is no way your rockbox would boot |
04:19:40 | drapgigabeatf10 | it actually doesn't boot |
04:19:51 | drapgigabeatf10 | i'm trying to save and backup my original config |
04:19:54 | lavid | quick question: should the rockboxdev.sh script be run with root perms? |
04:19:56 | drapgigabeatf10 | before I install rockbox |
04:20:06 | Llorean | drapgigabeatf10: You can't install Rockbox without getting to that folder anwyay. |
04:20:08 | Llorean | anyway |
04:20:23 | linuxstb | lavid: It depends where you install the compilers - it needs to run with permission to write to the install directory. |
04:20:48 | drapgigabeatf10 | do you guys think that IE7 would block certain accesses to files for something like this? I just thought of that. |
04:21:14 | lavid | linuxstb: well, any particular reason NOT to run it with root perms I guess should be my question |
04:21:18 | Llorean | You're browsing your device in IE7?! |
04:21:47 | linuxstb | lavid: That's up to you :) But all it does is download the gcc/binutils source, run configure, make and then make install. |
04:21:51 | drapgigabeatf10 | well IE is built in Windows, and the core of it uses the browser, even if you go through " my computer, etc.. " |
04:22:23 | linuxstb | lavid: But there is also no disadvantage to installing the compilers somewhere in your home directory - I use $HOME/RB/ |
04:22:38 | linuxstb | In which case, you don't need to run the script as root. |
04:22:49 | lavid | linuxstb: thanks. that answers the question |
04:22:50 | jba | drapgigabeatf10, a copy of the original firmware is stored in the gigabeat room installation folder |
04:23:05 | Llorean | drapgigabeatf10: Have you *just* done "show hidden files" or have you also *definitely* told it not to hide system files? |
04:23:39 | Llorean | Try this. In GBSYSTEM, try to create a folder named FWIMG. |
04:24:13 | drapgigabeatf10 | llorean I can assure you that there's no setting to hide any file, trust me on that.. :) |
04:24:20 | drapgigabeatf10 | lemme try to create a folder. |
04:24:53 | drapgigabeatf10 | I was able to create the folder |
04:25:32 | Llorean | You should see if you can catch someone in #Gigabeat then, and tell them your FWIMG folder was missing. |
04:25:48 | drapgigabeatf10 | i'll see what I can do |
04:26:02 | Llorean | For some reason they hang out in there instead of here, which somewhat splits the ability to support that target. |
04:26:05 | drapgigabeatf10 | jba you think I should flash it with the original firmware and give it a go again? |
04:27:03 | jba | Llorean, we hang out in both, and it was mainly because we have a large signal ratio |
04:27:12 | jba | which would turn into a large noise level in here |
04:27:33 | jba | and that was mainly while the target was in development |
04:27:54 | drapgigabeatf10 | jba I copied files from gigabeat room to folder.. that worked, and the file is greyed out, just like if it was a hidden folder showing.. |
04:27:57 | drapgigabeatf10 | i'll go with that |
04:27:59 | drapgigabeatf10 | thank you |
04:28:01 | drapgigabeatf10 | very much |
04:28:02 | scorche | i dont see why we need a #gigabeat channel anymore |
04:28:02 | Llorean | Maybe #Gigabeat should be retired now that it's in CVS then, so that we don't end up with the same split we had in the forums. |
04:28:04 | drapgigabeatf10 | evening gents |
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04:28:36 | jba | i'm sure the gigbeat guys won't mind, it's just that we doo get lots of chatter in there |
04:28:41 | Llorean | The problem with multiple locations, especially target specific ones, is that people think that there are major differences between the targets, as opposed to understanding that it's really mostly one software that just runs on various hardwares. |
04:28:48 | jba | as long as the rest of the rockbox guys don't mind? |
04:29:02 | scorche | jba: it is fine....we will control it here |
04:29:13 | Llorean | Ideally, if there's a lot of non-Rockbox chatter, it should stay there. |
04:29:26 | Llorean | But anyone interested in Rockbox, or supporting Rockbox, should focus their attentions in this channel to solidify it all. |
04:29:29 | jba | well someone officially from #rockbox should pop into #gigabeat and ask all the guys to move on over |
04:29:41 | scorche | i am already in there |
04:29:45 | jba | nah it's mostly gigabeat hardware chatter |
04:29:55 | jba | scorche, i was hinting towards that ;)( |
04:30:02 | scorche | jba: who is the owner...markun? |
04:30:14 | jba | markun is in france atm |
04:30:32 | jba | he was the owner, but is away for a while, next in charge i think is wibbix, or maybe shonbky? |
04:30:42 | jba | but most active devs atm seem to be sloth and gotthardt |
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04:35:28 | debauched_sloth | hi |
04:35:36 | debauched_sloth | am around here too, mostly |
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04:36:31 | debauched_sloth | Gigabeat has a very fun rescue mode |
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04:38:09 | jba | enter gigabeat dev's stage right |
04:38:20 | * | Llorean applauds. |
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04:38:48 | hotwire_ | i feel like a sheep |
04:38:54 | gotthardt | baaa |
04:38:54 | jba | nhehe |
04:39:03 | jba | and i would be the colly |
04:39:07 | jba | woof woof |
04:39:18 | rkostynu | hi all |
04:39:36 | gotthardt | hi |
04:39:38 | vadim | debauched_sloth, what cvs do you do your commits to? @rockbox or your private? |
04:39:45 | jba | toffe, vadim and wibbix don't seem to be awale atm |
04:39:53 | jba | speak of the devil |
04:40:00 | vadim | jba: what? |
04:40:08 | rkostynu | gigabeat owner, new to the group, programmer by trade, setting up my environment to learn exactly whats going on inside |
04:40:14 | debauched_sloth | public cvs |
04:40:34 | gotthardt | welcome rkostynu |
04:40:54 | rkostynu | been reading lots in the last few days, love the port, kudos to markun and others, very nice job |
04:40:55 | debauched_sloth | welcme |
04:41:48 | Llorean | Welcome Gigabeaters. Man, we need a better name for you guys. |
04:42:11 | scorche | gigabeatees? ;) |
04:42:11 | Jsunu | Gigadevs? |
04:42:42 | rkostynu | gigaboars |
04:42:48 | debauched_sloth | tonight, more like gigabeaten ;) |
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04:43:06 | triplah | i ripped a cd to ogg last night |
04:43:09 | triplah | i'm listening to it on rockbox now |
04:43:11 | triplah | on my nano |
04:43:17 | triplah | there is clicking sometimes |
04:43:26 | triplah | i havent tested them on my machine at home yet though |
04:43:40 | triplah | how does the nano handle decoding ogg? |
04:43:41 | gotthardt | GeeBees |
04:45:20 | Llorean | triplah: I've never had decoding issue on my nano, I'd suggest checking it on a computer. Assuming you don't have peakmeters, which can cause audio playback problems in nearly any format |
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04:45:33 | triplah | peakmeters? |
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04:47:47 | Llorean | triplah: They're on the WPS, go up and down with the music. |
04:48:38 | triplah | ahh right |
04:48:42 | triplah | no i dont then |
04:48:52 | triplah | thanks for the help. i'll check on my box at home |
04:48:54 | Llorean | Equalizer, and Crossfeed, can also affect playback |
04:49:06 | triplah | i'm going to try and hack banshee to play nice with rockbox too |
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05:01:06 | hotwire_ | Llorean, GigabeatFXPort has been updated in the wiki. |
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05:02:36 | Llorean | hotwire_: Thank you. |
05:02:58 | Llorean | There is now a Toshiba installation forum in our forums. |
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05:04:52 | debauched_sloth | thanks, Llorean |
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05:05:39 | Llorean | Remember, our forums are very strict. Always read the "Posting in this forum" post for the section you're in before posting. ;) |
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05:07:22 | drap_gigabeatf10 | hello back |
05:07:42 | drap_gigabeatf10 | jba, llorean it works :) |
05:08:35 | Alexinc | drap, i got a f10 also :] |
05:09:02 | drap_gigabeatf10 | cool alexinc, do you have the possibility of watching videos on it with rockbox? |
05:09:18 | drap_gigabeatf10 | that's my next step, since I got the main thing going |
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05:10:29 | votetrev | hey guys |
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05:10:37 | Alexinc | yep |
05:10:45 | Alexinc | but it only plays a few minutes of low quality |
05:10:54 | votetrev | anyone familiar with the 5.5g ipod video? |
05:10:58 | Alexinc | cause what it does is fill your ram with the first like 25mb of bideo |
05:11:04 | Alexinc | then it crashes when it runs out |
05:11:12 | Alexinc | they still havnt done the rebuffering code |
05:11:12 | drap_gigabeatf10 | alexinc, does sound work in sync with video |
05:11:24 | Alexinc | vote, i am kind of |
05:11:25 | drap_gigabeatf10 | ok |
05:11:32 | Alexinc | ya, you jsut turn the options on in the mpg player |
05:11:40 | Alexinc | theres 2 options havign to do with frams |
05:11:43 | Alexinc | frams |
05:11:46 | Alexinc | fames |
05:11:57 | drap_gigabeatf10 | ok.. so I guess now we wait for geniuses to work the ram over and get the next built eh? lol |
05:12:16 | votetrev | alexinc.....you put a different theme on rockbox on that model? |
05:12:45 | Alexinc | yep |
05:12:54 | Alexinc | i use the beatmp_girl |
05:12:55 | Alexinc | :] |
05:13:02 | Alexinc | o wait |
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05:13:18 | Alexinc | you mean the 5.5, its my friends that i do all the work on, ya we use a diffrent theme on it |
05:13:20 | votetrev | ok...i put on a different theme and the id3 type stuff such as artist and album etc, that stuff wont show up |
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05:13:33 | Alexinc | let me test this with the latest build |
05:13:35 | Alexinc | one second |
05:13:49 | votetrev | ok |
05:14:11 | votetrev | damn im so thankful there is someone in here to help me :) i been tryin for a day i knew there would be people :) |
05:15:55 | Alexinc | my id3 stuff seems to be working |
05:16:06 | Alexinc | are you using the database, and what theme you using? |
05:16:14 | Alexinc | ill try the theme your using |
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05:18:19 | debauched_sloth | GB people, I have just committed a patch that seems to solve the track switch/speedup issue here |
05:18:44 | debauched_sloth | If you could test it out on your GB's, with your tracks, I'd appreciate it |
05:18:45 | Alexinc | sweet, thanks, whens it going into the cvs? |
05:18:59 | debauched_sloth | it's building now - done in 5 |
05:19:00 | Alexinc | i cant build so if you can upload the build somewhere :] |
05:19:01 | Alexinc | ok |
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05:19:11 | Shawn_K | hey all |
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05:19:13 | Shawn_K | how goes it |
05:19:16 | debauched_sloth | will be here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
05:19:23 | debauched_sloth | if this doesn't work, I will back down one more level tomorrow |
05:19:37 | Alexinc | ok |
05:20:13 | Shawn_K | I have a hankering question...if this doesn't exist, it needs to be made....a CPU time recorder for rockbox |
05:20:24 | debauched_sloth | heh |
05:20:31 | Shawn_K | anyone know if there is the ability to measure CPU time? |
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05:20:41 | Alexinc | tell me when the build is done |
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05:20:52 | Shawn_K | who? |
05:21:03 | Alexinc | debauched |
05:21:09 | Shawn_K | he just left, lol |
05:21:24 | Shawn_K | he's back |
05:21:27 | Shawn_K | tell him now |
05:21:27 | debauched_sloth | yes |
05:21:33 | debauched_sloth | missed it though |
05:21:36 | Shawn_K | <Alexinc> tell me when the build is done |
05:22:24 | safetydan | Shawn_K, there is (or was) some profiling code already in rockbox if that's what you're looking for. |
05:22:42 | Shawn_K | hmmm |
05:23:34 | Shawn_K | where can I find this? will the wiki mention it? |
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05:24:01 | Shawn_K | actually, I have no idea what keywords to search, got any direction for me? |
05:24:58 | Llorean | Shawn_K: See the TECH doc apparently, in the source. |
05:24:58 | safetydan | Ah, seems I'm possibly remembering incorrectly. |
05:25:00 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2458 |
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05:25:33 | Llorean | safetydan: I believe there's profiling included now. |
05:25:42 | debauched_sloth | build is complete, GB people |
05:25:53 | hhehw | sup all |
05:25:56 | Alexinc | thanks |
05:26:04 | Alonea | thankyou |
05:26:08 | hhehw | will rock box work on Creative Zen Vision: W Black 60GB |
05:26:31 | Llorean | hhehw: Do you see "Creative Zen Vision" listed in the supported targets on the site? |
05:26:37 | debauched_sloth | thank you, if this still fails, I back waaay down and we try again |
05:26:56 | hhehw | no i dont but someone told me that it dose just want to make sure is that so worrg ? |
05:27:12 | safetydan | Llorean, ah, the one place I wouldn't have thought to look. The documentation. |
05:27:16 | Llorean | hhehw: It does not. The list on the site is accurate. |
05:27:24 | hhehw | thank you |
05:27:29 | hhehw | very much |
05:27:33 | Llorean | safetydan: Not only "the documentation" but the actual stuff we send out with the source even, not just the wiki "documentation" |
05:27:52 | Llorean | The last place anyone would ever look for anything other than the GPL |
05:28:01 | safetydan | pretty much |
05:28:12 | safetydan | you just grepped the source for "profiler" didn't you? :) |
05:28:20 | Llorean | I actually found it by googling "Rockbox profiling" and seeing it in the mailing list. |
05:28:47 | Shawn_K | :( |
05:29:08 | lostlogic | I believe profiling needs some TLC −− haven't seen anyone reporting useful results with it lately. |
05:29:19 | Llorean | lostlogic: Have people been reporting results with it? |
05:29:26 | lostlogic | and no, I'm not gonna be loving it up any time soon. |
05:29:35 | lostlogic | Llorean: well I was right after I created it :-D |
05:29:41 | Llorean | Hehehe |
05:29:55 | Llorean | I noticed that you were the one who said to look in the TECH document on the list. |
05:30:03 | safetydan | weird, "rockbox profiler" and "rockbox profiling" return totally different results in google |
05:30:14 | Shawn_K | I mainly said that because I have no idea how much CPU the "main" thread hogs |
05:30:28 | lostlogic | approximately none. |
05:30:54 | Shawn_K | isn't all the drawing done on the main thread? |
05:31:33 | lostlogic | wps thread? |
05:31:42 | Shawn_K | oh, lol |
05:32:05 | Shawn_K | hmmm |
05:32:10 | Llorean | lostlogic: I think he's talking about in the menus as well, since he made mention of scrolling earlier. |
05:32:30 | Shawn_K | That is, but isn't menu rendering done on the main thread? |
05:32:53 | lostlogic | yes |
05:32:53 | votetrev | alexinc...still there? sorry my lil kid was gettin into something and had to go get him :) |
05:32:55 | Shawn_K | Honestly, I thought WPS and menu was on dif thread |
05:33:06 | Shawn_K | ok, it is so then ^^ |
05:33:31 | Alexinc | ya, im here |
05:33:37 | Alexinc | what was the theme your using |
05:33:40 | votetrev | oh sweet |
05:33:44 | Alexinc | and are you using the latest cvs build? |
05:33:48 | votetrev | let me look quick |
05:33:50 | Alexinc | k |
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05:33:52 | lostlogic | now I'm less sure |
05:33:52 | Shawn_K | eh, I don't have a wps thread listed |
05:33:55 | lostlogic | *goes to code* |
05:34:00 | Shawn_K | is it running in background? |
05:34:05 | votetrev | im using the cvs build from like this morning at 1AM so new enough i think? |
05:34:15 | Alexinc | new enough |
05:34:16 | Alexinc | :] |
05:34:43 | votetrev | jBlackGlass-5g-20060929 |
05:34:46 | votetrev | thats the theme |
05:35:08 | Shawn_K | hmmm, why is my audio thread using CPU when I'm not playing music? |
05:35:21 | Shawn_K | Is it just a general system audio? |
05:35:22 | Alexinc | ill try it |
05:35:24 | Alexinc | one sec |
05:35:44 | votetrev | and it seems MAYBE im having other problems to related to themes...like if i try themes on the regular skin its all the same pretty much....but still some of the graphics on the buttons are like...distorted/miscolored |
05:36:38 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: the audio thread should be idle if you aren't playing |
05:36:42 | lostlogic | it is the thread that manages compressed audio |
05:36:52 | votetrev | sorry when i said regular skin i meant regular foxbox theme |
05:36:55 | votetrev | and the ones it comes with |
05:36:55 | Shawn_K | It's not though |
05:37:07 | lostlogic | and I must appologize, main is where the wps is drawn, I was mistaken |
05:37:25 | Shawn_K | ok, so main does use some CPU |
05:37:28 | Alexinc | votetrex is your ipod a 30gb one? |
05:37:30 | Shawn_K | question is....how much? |
05:37:35 | votetrev | yeh 30gb |
05:37:43 | Shawn_K | i want to try to balance all out between CPU and COP |
05:37:43 | votetrev | 5.5 generation |
05:38:11 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: for what purpose? mpegplayer or just audio playback? |
05:38:28 | Shawn_K | lostlogic: speed and eifficiency |
05:38:35 | Llorean | During audio playback, the audio thread itself needs more than the base speed, meanwhile when audio isn't playing the UI can run just fine at base speed. |
05:38:35 | lostlogic | during what operation? |
05:38:44 | lostlogic | Llorean: codec thread |
05:38:55 | lostlogic | Llorean: audio thread is file buffer and only needs CPU when filling buffer |
05:38:58 | Llorean | lostlogic: I was in the middle of typing my correction to myself. :) |
05:39:01 | lostlogic | :) |
05:39:02 | votetrev | i thought i had done something wrong so numerous times i restored it in itunes and then completely redid the "mod"....everytime giving me the same results... |
05:39:28 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: the codec thread uses at least 90% of all cpu cycles when playing music so it's codec on one core everything else on another. |
05:39:31 | Llorean | If you have one thread >30, and sum of all others <30, it's pretty clear that thread needs to live on its own |
05:39:41 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: until / unless we split the DSP or some other operations out of the codec thread |
05:39:53 | votetrev | and to answer your question earlier...i use databases....i have rockbox auto grab it every restart with my cache enabled so it can check for deleted files also... |
05:40:06 | Shawn_K | lostlogic: I moved the scroll into the COP and it seems to have helped |
05:40:18 | triplah | what arch are the nanos? |
05:40:22 | votetrev | and it pulls the database from the music i threw on my ipod...using umm xplay |
05:40:23 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: scroll on cop with codec as well? |
05:40:31 | Shawn_K | lostlogic: yes |
05:40:45 | Alexinc | votetrev: it dosnt seem to be showing up on here either |
05:40:50 | Alexinc | id say that the theme is broken |
05:40:56 | Llorean | Shawn_K: Are you sure the scroll thread does what you think it does? |
05:40:57 | votetrev | ok goodddd :) |
05:41:01 | votetrev | lol makes me a little happier |
05:41:05 | Shawn_K | I also had the backlight on COP, then it didn't go off....I later realized too many variables were linked to share the ram |
05:41:20 | Alexinc | try escapepod and tell me if it works |
05:41:24 | votetrev | what theme did u say u use? or do u have somewhere u get your themes from you could hook me up with? |
05:41:27 | safetydan | Scroll thread is just for scrolling text horizontally isn't it? |
05:41:28 | Llorean | Shawn_K: Because on the iRivers, the thread named "scroll" in the OS Stacks screen refers to the one that handles text scrolling in WPS, I believe. |
05:41:34 | Shawn_K | Llorean: It manages menus, doesn't it? |
05:41:36 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: are you running codec on cop my way where it pretty much doesn't yield? |
05:41:37 | Llorean | safetydan: I'm almost certain, yes. |
05:41:49 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: scroll is the thread that moves text back and forth when it doesn't fit on the screen. |
05:41:54 | Alexinc | http://rockbox-themes.org/ i use escapepod |
05:42:02 | lostlogic | er yeah, which is what Llorean said |
05:42:16 | Alexinc | i switched back and the id3 tags are showing again |
05:42:34 | Shawn_K | I was pretty sure I went into the /firmware/arm/ipod for the scroll |
05:42:44 | votetrev | ok lemme grab it and check it out quick |
05:42:49 | Shawn_K | I was tired though....so maybe not |
05:42:59 | safetydan | scroll thread will do the same thing regardless of target |
05:43:03 | Shawn_K | I should dbl-check what I write when I'm tired |
05:43:11 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: one possible reason that moving more threads to the cop would help your performance is that scheduling overhead is getting in your way, in which case we need to have a careful look at all the threads we're running and whether or not we need them. |
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05:43:42 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: do you run with or without priority scheduling? I run without, because I don't feel that the extra scheduling overhead is justified |
05:44:14 | lostlogic | (anyone want to write an O(1) priority scheduler for rockbox based loosely on the linux kernel one?) |
05:44:16 | Shawn_K | lostlogic: I believe I have it on, how do I turn it off? |
05:44:28 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: undefine HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING in the appropriate header file |
05:44:44 | Shawn_K | lostlogic: this is my third day working w/ rockbox, lol |
05:44:52 | lostlogic | Shawn_K: I can tell −− read lots of code. |
05:44:55 | Shawn_K | and I've had very little time |
05:45:17 | votetrev | alexing: escape pod or escape pod aa |
05:45:28 | Alexinc | escape pod |
05:45:32 | votetrev | k |
05:45:58 | lavid | some help here... I just installed Rockbox on my Sansa e260 and upon booting it gives me "Loading Rockbox..." "Rockbox error: -1" |
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05:46:51 | Llorean | lavid: That means you didn't extract rockbox.zip to it |
05:47:09 | lavid | Llorean: thanks... I'm a winner ;) |
05:47:38 | Shawn_K | lostlogic & Llorean: lmao, it was the wrong scrolling code |
05:47:41 | Shawn_K | I just looked |
05:47:44 | Shawn_K | anyways, I g2g |
05:47:48 | Shawn_K | c ya guys later ^^ |
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05:48:55 | lostlogic | hmm... maybe O(1) priority scheduling isn't possible with cooperative multitasking. |
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05:53:40 | votetrev | shit i did a complete reinstall of the newest build from scratch to be safe....then installed the theme....but now it has to rebuild my database so itll be a few minutes |
05:53:48 | votetrev | it looks like its working so far though...??? :):) |
05:53:58 | Alexinc | sweet |
05:54:12 | votetrev | u know of any other themes that have worked for ya? |
05:54:21 | Alexinc | most of the other ones |
05:54:31 | Alexinc | just every once in awhile theres a broken theme |
05:54:58 | votetrev | ok sweet....now that i have one working (hopefully) i will at least know it works...that way i can go experiment through and try what i like |
05:55:32 | Alexinc | true dat |
05:55:52 | votetrev | have do you have your ipod setup? with the bootloader from rockbox and just dual boot between that and the regular apple ok |
05:55:59 | votetrev | os* |
05:56:16 | Alexinc | yep |
05:56:22 | Alexinc | regular for video |
05:56:34 | votetrev | yeh same here as long as i get rockbox workin :) |
05:56:49 | votetrev | do u use the database in rockbox? |
05:56:58 | Alexinc | mainly use rockbox for games :] |
05:57:02 | Alexinc | yep |
05:57:11 | votetrev | ok sweet |
05:57:20 | votetrev | u ever messed with gettin ipl on it? |
05:57:39 | Alexinc | ipl? |
05:57:51 | votetrev | IPodLinux |
05:58:12 | Alexinc | na, like i said before this isnt my ipod |
05:58:19 | votetrev | yeh... |
05:58:25 | Alexinc | my friend gives me money to do all the techincal work for him |
05:58:29 | scorche | take this to PMs please....this channel is about rockbox |
05:58:38 | Alexinc | sorry |
05:58:43 | votetrev | sorry scorche...my bad |
05:59:07 | votetrev | alexinc...u added any extra games in rockbox? |
05:59:14 | votetrev | like pacman or doom? |
05:59:23 | Alexinc | just gameboy games |
05:59:38 | votetrev | yeah? can u do it with like nes? |
05:59:47 | Alexinc | not ported yet |
05:59:51 | votetrev | shit that would probly be way to hard though huh |
05:59:57 | votetrev | even trying to play them |
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06:00:21 | votetrev | damn it takes a long time to load the database huh |
06:00:26 | Alexinc | i dont know how well games play on the ipod, i have a gigabeat myself that i play GB and GBC games on |
06:00:46 | votetrev | oh sweet |
06:00:50 | votetrev | does rockbox run on that then to? |
06:01:21 | Alexinc | yep |
06:01:29 | Alexinc | and its more powerful than the ipods :] |
06:01:39 | Alexinc | so iv been playing around with ports for nes |
06:01:44 | Alexinc | nothing succsesful yet though |
06:01:50 | votetrev | thats sweet |
06:02:07 | votetrev | i wasnt sure if i wanted to go with the ipod but i got one for xmas right before i was gonna buy one so i was still quite happy |
06:02:22 | Alexinc | nice |
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06:55:53 | SouLja^ | can someone help me with a problem i have? |
06:58:21 | TheCollector | ask away |
06:58:24 | Mouser_X | Only if you tell us what that problem is. |
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07:04:30 | Alexinc | i dont think soulja likes you guys... |
07:06:08 | Mouser_X | If he's like me, he's timed out... |
07:06:23 | * | Mouser_X needs to figure out how to fix the poor connection... |
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07:08:19 | Alexinc | wireless? |
07:08:26 | Alexinc | sorry, ill keep on topic |
07:08:27 | Alexinc | :] |
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07:09:15 | SouLja^ | lol sry |
07:09:19 | SouLja^ | i was trying to get it fixed myself |
07:09:22 | SouLja^ | but i suck |
07:09:36 | SouLja^ | i got owned :( |
07:09:37 | Mouser_X | We noticed. (j/k) |
07:10:00 | SouLja^ | i tried installing rockbox on my gigabeat |
07:10:08 | SouLja^ | toshiba gigabeat f40 |
07:10:08 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
07:10:10 | SouLja^ | and when it came to the bootloader |
07:10:16 | Mouser_X | I'll be getting one of those soon... |
07:10:32 | SouLja^ | i added a .dat to the bootloader cause i tried before and it wouldnt work |
07:10:42 | SouLja^ | wellthen after turning the battery off it finalyl worked |
07:10:51 | SouLja^ | but then the .dat made the file unreadable to the system |
07:11:05 | SouLja^ | now when i turn on my gigabeat i get a screen saying |
07:11:12 | SouLja^ | NO SYSTEM FOUND ON HDD |
07:11:15 | SouLja^ | ..help? |
07:12:38 | Mouser_X | It looks like those who are most familiar with the Gigabeat aren't online right now. |
07:12:48 | Mouser_X | Or, they're not at their computer. |
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07:12:55 | SouLja^ | :( |
07:13:48 | Mouser_X | All I know, is that there's currently no "official build" of the bootloader. At least, there wasn't last I saw. |
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07:14:01 | Alexinc | hey |
07:14:03 | Alexinc | im familor |
07:14:03 | Mouser_X | In other words, if my understanding is correct, you need to build it yourself. |
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07:14:11 | Mouser_X | *familiar |
07:14:22 | Alexinc | did you replace the bootloader? |
07:14:34 | SouLja^ | no i used the one off the site |
07:14:48 | Alexinc | did you extract the .rockbox file to it? |
07:14:57 | SouLja^ | the main problem is |
07:14:58 | SouLja^ | i can fix it |
07:15:04 | SouLja^ | but when i plug in my gigabeat into my computer |
07:15:10 | SouLja^ | windows doesnt recognize it |
07:15:12 | SouLja^ | anymore |
07:15:23 | Alexinc | umm |
07:15:51 | Alexinc | i dont remember the trick but theres a trick that you can like unplug yourharddrive then turn on your gigabeat or somethign then plug it in and it works |
07:15:56 | Alexinc | but dont follow those steps |
07:16:02 | Alexinc | cause i never knew it |
07:16:15 | SouLja^ | so then what should i do? |
07:16:16 | Alexinc | go to #gigabeat and ask the question, you should get an answer in a few hours |
07:16:21 | SouLja^ | oh ok |
07:16:24 | SouLja^ | i'll try that |
07:17:02 | SouLja^ | if i change the extension you think it will work? |
07:17:09 | SouLja^ | i mean |
07:17:15 | SouLja^ | it was already a .dat file |
07:17:20 | SouLja^ | and i added .dat after it |
07:17:23 | Llorean | Don't go to #Gigabeat |
07:17:31 | SouLja^ | ok.. |
07:17:44 | Llorean | This is the Rockbox on Gigabeat channel now, and that channel is supposed to be closing down. |
07:18:00 | SouLja^ | then what should i do? |
07:18:02 | Llorean | SouLja^: What *exactly* did you do, your statements are fairly vague. |
07:18:42 | SouLja^ | ok |
07:18:47 | SouLja^ | i installed all the gigabeat files properly |
07:18:48 | SouLja^ | EXCEPT |
07:18:54 | SouLja^ | the bootloader |
07:19:02 | SouLja^ | i used the bootloader off the site |
07:19:14 | SouLja^ | but i renamed it..so there is NO bootloader |
07:19:27 | SouLja^ | for the gigabeat to turn on |
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07:20:02 | SouLja^ | the original is still there |
07:20:06 | SouLja^ | and so is the one for rockbox |
07:20:14 | SouLja^ | i added a .dat to the rockbox bootloader.. |
07:20:41 | SouLja^ | good enough? |
07:20:55 | Llorean | So, you didn't follow the instructions explicitly, okay. |
07:21:08 | Llorean | Unfortunately, I don't know the recovery mode for the Gigabeat. |
07:21:30 | Llorean | I *believe* it involves plugging in USB while the battery is disconnected, as someone else said, but I'm not certain |
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07:22:07 | SouLja^ | Yeah, i messed up on that one part |
07:22:17 | SouLja^ | so if i were to do that method, go into the directory |
07:22:21 | SouLja^ | and change the filename |
07:22:22 | SouLja^ | will it work? |
07:22:49 | Llorean | Make sure the files are named exactly as the official instructions say they should be. |
07:22:51 | Alexinc | thats why i said to ask in the gigabeat channel |
07:22:58 | Alexinc | its a gigabeat specific question |
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07:23:06 | SouLja^ | its only that one file thats renamed |
07:23:19 | Llorean | Yes. After you rename it, you put the one you download in the place of it. |
07:23:23 | Alexinc | and that isnt a recovery mode ;] |
07:23:24 | Llorean | As the instructions say. |
07:23:31 | Alexinc | that dosnt do anything |
07:24:02 | scorche | Alexinc: we have told you many times what we are doing....stop making it an issue |
07:24:04 | SouLja^ | alrite..so looks like im going to have to open up my gigabeat |
07:24:18 | Llorean | Alexinc: It's also a Rockbox install question. The #Gigabeat channel existed for development discussion since they felt it would flood this channel, it was unnecessary but they did it. #Gigabeat is closing to recenter Rockbox discussion. |
07:24:42 | Mouser_X | And, like I said, I think that's a good idea. |
07:24:45 | Mouser_X | It makes sense. |
07:24:50 | Alexinc | but still, he cant get onto his gigabeat in the first place |
07:25:08 | Llorean | Alexinc: Yes, and it's because he installed Rockbox improperly |
07:25:08 | SouLja^ | yeah..windows wont recognize it when i plug it in |
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07:25:19 | SouLja^ | windows wont recognize it as a drive |
07:25:23 | SouLja^ | when i plug it in |
07:25:23 | Llorean | Alexinc: If the gigabeat Rockboxers were in here, they'd be able to answer his question. |
07:25:34 | Alexinc | yep, and they arnt |
07:25:35 | Alexinc | :] |
07:25:40 | Llorean | Alexinc: Look at #Gigabeat's topic. |
07:25:57 | scorche | they arent in #gigabeat either....they are in here...just not active |
07:26:23 | Llorean | If they aren't, it's because they either haven't bothered to read it, or are just being obstinate like you. |
07:26:27 | Alexinc | and if he asks ther and leaves it then a afk rockboxer will be able to see it at a later time and answer it cause its not a failry active channel |
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07:26:37 | Alexinc | but in here it will most likely be spammed off |
07:26:48 | Alexinc | sorry |
07:26:51 | Alexinc | just proving my point |
07:26:51 | Mouser_X | People answer questions in here all the time. |
07:26:51 | Llorean | Alexinc: Or he could post it in the Installation support forums where there's a guarantee it won't vanish |
07:26:59 | Mouser_X | Also, I read the logs. |
07:27:04 | Mouser_X | Like many people do. |
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07:27:18 | SouLja^ | ok so..what should i do about my problem? |
07:27:18 | Llorean | Alexinc: You've "proved" nothing. :) |
07:27:20 | SouLja^ | open it up? |
07:27:28 | SouLja^ | and do the "trick" |
07:27:34 | Llorean | SouLja^: Wait until someone who actually owns a gigabeat and knows the answer can help you. |
07:27:41 | SouLja^ | k |
07:27:48 | Llorean | It's really a bad idea to not follow the instructions exactly. |
07:27:52 | Mouser_X | I think you can unseat the battery without opening anything. |
07:27:59 | SouLja^ | how would i do that? |
07:28:05 | SouLja^ | lol i was turning it on and off and on and off |
07:28:12 | SouLja^ | but it wouldnt load up rockbox |
07:28:13 | Mouser_X | I think there's a switch on the bottom. |
07:28:16 | SouLja^ | so i assumed i had to add a .dat |
07:28:22 | SouLja^ | i added that |
07:28:31 | SouLja^ | then read that i had to turn the battery on and off |
07:28:35 | SouLja^ | i did that...then this problem came up |
07:28:36 | scorche | it has something to do with the harddrive as well...but wait for a person familiar with the gigabeat to tell you the whole procedure |
07:29:08 | Llorean | SouLja^: So, you didn't follow the instructions at all... |
07:29:22 | Mouser_X | Once you've unseated the battery, then try plugging the Gigabeat into your PC through USB (without reseating the battery) and see what happens. Please note, this is purely speculation, as I have no Gigabeat (yet). |
07:29:55 | SouLja^ | actually Llorean, that instruction was on a totally different page on the rockbox site |
07:29:59 | SouLja^ | i had to go searching around for it |
07:30:56 | Llorean | SouLja^: The instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort tell you EXACTLY where to put the .dat file. |
07:31:01 | Llorean | You said you put it in the rockbox folder. |
07:31:02 | SouLja^ | OMG LOL! MOUSER X |
07:31:07 | SouLja^ | I DID IT WITHOUT THE DOCK |
07:31:15 | SouLja^ | AND IT UFKCING RECONGNIZED IT |
07:31:16 | SouLja^ | OMFG LOL! |
07:31:20 | Mouser_X | Hmmm? |
07:31:22 | SouLja^ | <3<3<3<3 |
07:31:23 | SouLja^ | !!! |
07:31:26 | Mouser_X | So, what happened? |
07:31:27 | SouLja^ | IT FINALLY RECOGNZIED IT |
07:31:30 | SouLja^ | now i can chhange the file |
07:31:32 | SouLja^ | lemme try that |
07:31:38 | scorche | less caps and swearing please... |
07:31:54 | Alexinc | lol, you where using the dock |
07:31:59 | Alexinc | rockbox dosnt support the dock |
07:31:59 | SouLja^ | sorry |
07:32:02 | SouLja^ | yes i was using the dock |
07:32:04 | SouLja^ | omg lol... |
07:32:07 | Mouser_X | Yes, English, please... I don't know what happened. |
07:32:10 | SouLja^ | TRYING NOW |
07:32:19 | SouLja^ | ANDDD |
07:32:20 | SouLja^ | IT WORKS |
07:32:21 | scorche | Alexinc: laughing at people doesnt help |
07:32:44 | SouLja^ | weird though |
07:32:48 | SouLja^ | the font on it is real small... |
07:33:01 | Mouser_X | You can change the font, and the theme. |
07:33:12 | Mouser_X | Though, you might need to install more fonts. |
07:33:19 | Mouser_X | (I don't have the link for that) |
07:33:30 | Llorean | Mouser_X: The fonts are just at the daily build page |
07:33:41 | Mouser_X | Oh. |
07:33:57 | Mouser_X | Not having a portable player yet, I've done very little browsing on the site. |
07:35:05 | votetrev | alexinc....u there? |
07:35:50 | Mouser_X | Probably. Give him a minute. |
07:35:55 | Mouser_X | Or more... |
07:36:03 | votetrev | anyone in here familiar with rockbox on a 5.5g video ipod? got a pretty simple question |
07:36:28 | scorche | votetrev: then ask it |
07:36:28 | votetrev | ok thanks mouser :) |
07:37:28 | votetrev | well i loaded up rockbox on my ipod and had it working but was having problems with the theme correctly loading....now i think i got it but it is taking a TREMENDOUS amount of time to load the database it is pulling from itunes |
07:38:01 | votetrev | i was wonderding if anyone could give me approximate time on how long it can take to load its database |
07:38:58 | votetrev | Whenever i go in to play music it says.....database is not ready |
07:39:12 | scorche | have you initialized it? |
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07:39:42 | Llorean | Spam? |
07:39:52 | TFGBD | No |
07:40:05 | TFGBD | Just an interesting PDA/PMP/"GPS" |
07:40:16 | TFGBD | Gotta love how it says "built-in GPS" when its a CF card ;P |
07:40:23 | votetrev | thought so...but im trying again incase i happened to forget...i have been going through reinstalls over and over :) |
07:40:33 | votetrev | how long should i expect it to take if i have say 20 gigz on it? |
07:40:43 | scorche | not that long |
07:41:02 | votetrev | say....10 minutes? |
07:41:03 | TFGBD | It would be nice to have a Windows CE version of Rockbox to run on that thing.. No? :P |
07:41:34 | scorche | go into Info > Debug Menu > Tagcache Info and tell me what it says |
07:41:37 | Llorean | Rockbox is a firmware. |
07:41:47 | Alexinc | votetrev, have you tried rebooting? |
07:41:50 | Llorean | There's low likelihood of a Windows CE version of it happening. |
07:41:50 | scorche | TFGBD: ah...i was trying to remember why your name looked familiar... |
07:41:54 | votetrev | yes ive tried rebooting |
07:42:14 | TFGBD | Haha. :P |
07:42:16 | TFGBD | Yeah, I know. |
07:42:25 | votetrev | ok scorche here goes....initialized: yes |
07:42:37 | votetrev | db ready: no |
07:42:37 | TFGBD | But it should be possible considering it was ported to Win32? |
07:42:37 | votetrev | ram cache: no |
07:42:41 | votetrev | ram 0/0 B |
07:42:59 | votetrev | progress: -1% (1594 entries) |
07:43:01 | TFGBD | Well.. There are also the CE based PMCs too. |
07:43:04 | votetrev | commit step: 0 |
07:43:04 | Llorean | TFGBD: A lot of things are possible. Someone who wants it has to be the one to do it. Right now, you're the only person on Earth known to want Rockbox on CE. |
07:43:07 | votetrev | commit delayed: yes |
07:43:26 | scorche | TFGBD: it wasnt ported to Win32....that is just a simulator |
07:43:35 | TFGBD | Same difference. ;P |
07:43:40 | scorche | not really |
07:43:41 | TFGBD | I'm talking the simulator on CE. |
07:44:13 | TFGBD | Sounds like it would be good enough for most and no additional computing functionality would be lost. |
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07:44:27 | TFGBD | I'm sure there are more than me... I don't really want it as I do not even listed to music... |
07:44:32 | TFGBD | I guess I want it for others. :P |
07:44:36 | * | TFGBD is crazy, I suppose. |
07:44:50 | votetrev | scorche: did any of that help u? |
07:45:11 | TFGBD | Would you be interested in the response I get at various Windows CE and CE related device forums I know of? |
07:45:57 | Llorean | No |
07:46:03 | Llorean | It doesn't matter how many people want it. |
07:46:10 | Llorean | It matters whether the people who want it go and do it. |
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07:46:28 | Slasheri | votetrev: you should try to reboot it again, if disk is no longer active. And cleanly reboot it |
07:46:45 | Slasheri | don't reset it |
07:46:49 | * | Llorean is apparently not getting a Gigabeat today. |
07:47:04 | TFGBD | Was it to be A CE based Gigabeat? :) |
07:47:07 | Llorean | No |
07:47:14 | Llorean | It was to be a Rockbox based Gigabeat. |
07:47:22 | votetrev | so cleanly reboot it you mean.....hold menu and the select button down till it reboots? |
07:47:27 | scorche | no |
07:47:28 | Alexinc | you can get windows ce on gigabeat/ |
07:47:33 | scorche | hold the play/pause button |
07:47:35 | TFGBD | Yeah, I know. Perhaps the folks that could do it just never thought of it/were not aware of the sim.. |
07:47:36 | Llorean | Alexinc: Later Gigabeats (S) run CE. |
07:47:38 | scorche | Alexinc: gigabeat S |
07:47:41 | Alexinc | :( |
07:47:41 | Slasheri | votetrev: no, that is reset |
07:47:57 | TFGBD | Just the runnign Windows Mobile for Portable Media Center, I supposed.. |
07:47:59 | TFGBD | suppose( |
07:48:00 | Llorean | TFGBD: Then go talk to them in the CE forums, and tell people interested in DEVELOPING it to come here. But don't send a bunch of people to pester us into doing it. |
07:48:09 | TFGBD | Oh, I would not. |
07:48:35 | TFGBD | running* |
07:48:50 | TFGBD | If someone were to, would be be happy? |
07:49:12 | TFGBD | you folks* |
07:49:25 | Mouser_X | I think Rockbox running on the Gigabeat S, in any form, would be neato. |
07:49:33 | Llorean | Rockbox is designed as a firmware, but as long as the changes didn't hamper its ability to be that, I doubt anyone would mine too much if a port of the sim were made for CE. |
07:49:37 | TFGBD | Or the Zune? |
07:49:42 | Mouser_X | As such, I say invite CE people here, to port the thing. |
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07:49:47 | TFGBD | And on Creative Zen portable Media Center, etc? |
07:50:00 | Llorean | TFGBD: You don't need to list several CE targets, we get the point |
07:50:08 | TFGBD | Yes, I CE. ;P |
07:50:14 | Llorean | Yes, and it's getting annoying. |
07:50:18 | TFGBD | And the various other No name PMCs and PMPs and PNAs and PDA and HPCs! |
07:50:33 | Mouser_X | <scorche> we are quite happy that rockbox continues to grow =) |
07:50:35 | Llorean | Leave your evangelism behind, this is #Rockbox and it's for the discussion of Rockbox things. |
07:50:36 | TFGBD | And TVs and HD-DVD Players and POS terminals! |
07:50:39 | TFGBD | And THin clients! |
07:50:44 | Llorean | Rockbox is a firmware, so its goal will to ALWAYS be to replace the existing firmware. |
07:50:44 | TFGBD | Ok...enough. :P |
07:50:55 | Llorean | The ultimate goal is NOT to exist alongside CE, but to replace it on which players it can. |
07:50:56 | Mouser_X | That being the case, I think we wouldn't mind if it got ported, in some way or another, to other players. |
07:50:58 | votetrev | oh it says committing database...but then it said error commiting playlist....or something similar to that |
07:51:02 | TFGBD | But that would blow. |
07:51:07 | TFGBD | It would limit the device. |
07:51:08 | SouLja^ | Back to SouLja, I GOT IT OWRKING WOOO ROCKBOX PWNS |
07:51:10 | SouLja^ | 1 problem though... |
07:51:13 | SouLja^ | all the songs i added |
07:51:17 | votetrev | however songs show up now :) |
07:51:18 | SouLja^ | dont show up LOL |
07:51:25 | SouLja^ | songs dont show up for me though LOL! |
07:51:42 | Llorean | SouLja^: We got it the first time you said it. How did you "add" them? |
07:51:43 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: Could you be more specific? |
07:51:44 | Slasheri | votetrev: i would recommend deleting .rockbox and installing it again |
07:51:57 | SouLja^ | i added them through gigabeatroom |
07:52:10 | SouLja^ | well before when i would go to my music the songs would show |
07:52:11 | scorche | TFGBD: Rockbox is a firmware...not a program |
07:52:15 | SouLja^ | now that i go there with roxbox |
07:52:15 | Slasheri | votetrev: and skanning the filesystem for errors. It might be in unknown state if you have often reseted the device |
07:52:19 | SouLja^ | none of the songs are there |
07:52:22 | votetrev | slasher: even if the songs show up now: |
07:52:24 | TFGBD | Its a program on Win32 and Linux |
07:52:32 | Llorean | SouLja^: Rockbox is a filetree browser. Do you know what folder they're in? |
07:52:36 | votetrev | ok...yeh i do the reset sometimes to get to the apple os to watch my movies |
07:52:38 | Slasheri | if it works fine, then do nothing |
07:52:42 | scorche | that isnt Rockbox...that is a SIMULATOR....for the last tim |
07:52:44 | Llorean | TFGBD: The simulator is a program. The core project is a firmware. |
07:52:44 | scorche | e |
07:52:51 | TFGBD | THen a Hacked CE firmware with Rockbox would seem just as much like a "firmware" I suppose... |
07:52:59 | Llorean | No, it wouldn't |
07:53:08 | TFGBD | To the untrained eye. |
07:53:12 | SouLja^ | they are in the "my music" folder |
07:53:17 | * | scorche gives up |
07:53:51 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: Your music files are in the "My Music" folder on your Gigabeat? |
07:53:51 | Llorean | TFGBD: Look, quit evangelizing CE. Port the simulator, or don't. But Rockbox itself will ALWAYS have the goal of being a firmware, not an application on top of another firmware. That's why it's different from iPodLinux. |
07:53:52 | TFGBD | But of course it would be silly to limit it to just a firmware replacement for CE and be much more useful if it could run on CE systems that are open to 3rd party software... |
07:54:02 | SouLja^ | yes mouser, they are |
07:54:07 | TFGBD | I understand that. I'm not questioning that. |
07:54:11 | Llorean | Yes, you are. |
07:54:20 | Llorean | That's why you just called the goal of replacing CE stupid. |
07:54:27 | Llorean | Or rather "silly" |
07:54:28 | TFGBD | Well...not stupid... |
07:54:29 | votetrev | so guys....if i want to switch over to the apple os...what is the safest way? or do i have to do a reset |
07:54:32 | TFGBD | Hurtful... |
07:54:38 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: And when you browse to them with Rockbox, you can't see them? |
07:54:39 | scorche | votetrev: see the FAQ |
07:54:42 | TFGBD | It would make me cry to see CE die. :/ |
07:54:48 | thegeek | oh sod off |
07:54:51 | thegeek | CE sucks |
07:54:53 | thegeek | rockbox rocks |
07:54:55 | Llorean | TFGBD: Rockbox is for people who want a streamlined music device without unnecessary OS overhead. |
07:55:03 | TFGBD | But it does not support Video. |
07:55:08 | scorche | thegeek: we dont need to turn this into more of a flame war |
07:55:11 | scorche | yes it does |
07:55:11 | SouLja^ | no mouser i cannot see them |
07:55:16 | Llorean | TFGBD: Rockbox implemented properly will get better battery life and performance than Rockbox +CE overhead. |
07:55:22 | Llorean | Rockbox does in fact support video. |
07:55:26 | thegeek | scorche: imho he's already on fire |
07:55:28 | TFGBD | Sure...but then... NO OPERA! |
07:55:30 | thegeek | ;P |
07:55:38 | TFGBD | Or...at least dual booting.. |
07:55:40 | thegeek | jesus christ;) |
07:55:42 | Llorean | TFGBD: DIGITAL AUDIO PLAYER. |
07:55:47 | Llorean | And Rockbox always tries to allow dual booting |
07:55:53 | scorche | TFGBD: stop it now...at this point you are looking very much like a troll |
07:56:04 | thegeek | a big ugly one too |
07:56:07 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: Can you see the music files in Window's browser (if you're using Windows, in Explorer)? |
07:56:15 | TFGBD | Ok. Sorry.. |
07:56:15 | SouLja^ | yes i can |
07:56:23 | TFGBD | I'm jsut bored and feel like talking of CE... |
07:56:30 | scorche | then do it somewhere else |
07:56:34 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: What are the file properties on some of your music? |
07:56:35 | scorche | where it is in-topic |
07:56:40 | scorche | s/in/on |
07:56:41 | SouLja^ | umm k lemme get |
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07:56:49 | votetrev | ummmm how do u start up an ipod? |
07:56:59 | scorche | votetrev: press menu or select |
07:57:07 | votetrev | wont fuckin start all of a sudden |
07:57:17 | scorche | 2nd warning on the language |
07:57:29 | votetrev | oh sorry! didnt see the first warning either btw |
07:57:36 | votetrev | i apologize bigtime |
07:57:49 | lavid | what file defines how the Sansa's LCD gets written? What is the source file? |
07:58:38 | SouLja^ | ok the file properties are |
07:58:43 | SouLja^ | the filename firstly of course |
07:58:49 | SouLja^ | type of file: SAT file |
07:58:56 | SouLja^ | opens with GBroom.exe |
07:59:01 | Mouser_X | Ah, that's most likely your problem. |
07:59:03 | SouLja^ | location n:/my music |
07:59:05 | Mouser_X | They're SAT files. |
07:59:08 | SouLja^ | size |
07:59:10 | SouLja^ | blah blah blah |
07:59:20 | SouLja^ | attributes only archive is checked |
07:59:26 | Mouser_X | I'm pretty sure that Rockbox can't play SAT files. |
07:59:34 | SouLja^ | ohhh |
07:59:36 | scorche | it cant |
07:59:38 | SouLja^ | OHHHH yes it cant |
07:59:41 | SouLja^ | but when uadd files |
07:59:44 | SouLja^ | with Gigabeat room |
07:59:45 | votetrev | man rockbox rocks ice :) |
07:59:47 | SouLja^ | they're all .sat |
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08:00:08 | scorche | with rockbox, you dont have to use gigabeat room |
08:00:09 | Mouser_X | Someone said there's a way to revert them back to MP3, but as far as I saw, they didn't say how. |
08:00:29 | Mouser_X | In other words, they're stuck as SAT for now. |
08:00:32 | SouLja^ | oohhh..well i ahve all the files and i know where they are |
08:00:40 | SouLja^ | if i wanted to add them again |
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08:00:47 | Mouser_X | You'll probably have to put them on the Gigabeat again. |
08:00:51 | SouLja^ | oh ok |
08:00:52 | qwm | scorche: shut the fuck up. he's not a troll. |
08:00:53 | SouLja^ | thats not much of a problem |
08:00:54 | SouLja^ | thanks |
08:01:07 | scorche | haha |
08:01:15 | scorche | qwm: i thought you were banned =P |
08:01:19 | Mouser_X | qwm: You missed the discussion, and shouldn't be swearing at scorche. |
08:01:20 | qwm | new ip. |
08:01:27 | scorche | ah |
08:01:33 | SouLja^ | Guys I can't thank you enough for your help, the ipod skin looks real nice btw lol |
08:01:36 | Mouser_X | (Or anyone, for that matter.) |
08:01:43 | qwm | Mouser_X: there are public logs you know. |
08:01:49 | qwm | updated every friggin' second. |
08:01:54 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
08:01:58 | qwm | i'm the worst kind of lurker. |
08:02:00 | Mouser_X | I forgot about those. |
08:02:03 | Mouser_X | I never check them. |
08:02:13 | qwm | and i don't shave my balls as well as Bagder does. |
08:02:33 | Mouser_X | The fact that you shave them at all is a little disturbing. |
08:02:49 | Mouser_X | Though, not as disturbing as the fact that you somehow seem to know that badger shaves his... |
08:03:12 | TFGBD | Ok..now on that though... |
08:03:16 | TFGBD | Methinks I should leave... |
08:03:23 | Mouser_X | Do you help each other do it, or something? |
08:03:25 | qwm | Mouser_X: are you from the 1940s? |
08:03:35 | scorche | Mouser_X: must you lurk on the topic? |
08:03:41 | Mouser_X | Sorry. |
08:03:44 | * | bagawk puts up a sign saying "do not feed the trolls" |
08:03:48 | * | Mouser_X shuts up. |
08:03:59 | * | TFGBD slaps bagawk around a bit with a large trout |
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08:04:27 | qwm | TFGBD_AWZ: the lake called, they're running out of large trouts! |
08:04:42 | qwm | only medium and small sized left, for your slapping pleasure. |
08:05:23 | bagawk | qwm: Please, go find somewherer to spew crap, no one really cares to see it here |
08:06:01 | qwm | diddystar? |
08:06:05 | qwm | you cocksucking whore. |
08:06:59 | lavid | what file defines how the Sansa's LCD gets written? What is the source file? |
08:07:12 | SouLja^ | What would happen if i tried to add a video file larger than 25 mb |
08:07:16 | SouLja^ | and attempt to play it |
08:07:35 | Mouser_X | It would only play as far as that bit of the file was loaded into RAM. |
08:07:43 | SouLja^ | oh |
08:07:48 | SouLja^ | so basically |
08:07:52 | SouLja^ | impossible to play more than 25 mb? |
08:07:55 | Mouser_X | Once it reached the end of the buffer, it crashes. |
08:07:58 | bagawk | qwm: what? where are you getting this? |
08:08:08 | SouLja^ | lol |
08:08:11 | SouLja^ | so dont even try right |
08:08:11 | SouLja^ | ? |
08:08:16 | Mouser_X | You can. |
08:08:21 | SouLja^ | but no poit |
08:08:24 | SouLja^ | point |
08:08:26 | Mouser_X | I don't know how bad the crash is. |
08:08:28 | SouLja^ | yeah |
08:08:29 | Llorean | lavid: firmware\target\arm\sandisk\sansa-e200\lcd-e200.c I'd guess |
08:08:30 | SouLja^ | im not going to test it |
08:08:32 | SouLja^ | :) |
08:08:35 | SouLja^ | btw i got the music working |
08:08:37 | SouLja^ | :D:D |
08:08:38 | SouLja^ | <3 |
08:08:42 | lavid | Llorean: thanks |
08:08:44 | Mouser_X | I don't think it's so bad that it forces a restart, but I'm not sure. |
08:08:51 | SouLja^ | the battery life is pretty bad though |
08:08:52 | qwm | bagawk: IrcNicks? stupid. |
08:09:30 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: Hmmm? I've heard the opposite. The battery life (when not using the equalizer) is at least 10 hours. |
08:09:35 | Mouser_X | At least, that's what I heard. |
08:09:41 | Mouser_X | I suppose it might have changed. |
08:09:49 | bagawk | qwm: that name is not listed there |
08:10:05 | SouLja^ | Well, im using a toshiba gigabeat which is supposed to have a 16 hour battery life |
08:10:10 | SouLja^ | and it went down pretty fast |
08:10:12 | SouLja^ | well |
08:10:12 | votetrev | If you have rockbox setup EXACTLY how you like it....what should be backed up so that you can restore it incase you would need to restore your ipod |
08:10:16 | SouLja^ | we'llhave to see |
08:10:25 | qwm | bagawk: "bagawk (formely dstar5) Lee Pilgrim" |
08:10:52 | lavid | Llorean: when you load rockbox on your e2x0, do you see like a row or 2 of jumbled display on the top? |
08:11:10 | qwm | bagawk: forgotten about your trolling in #vegan? |
08:11:15 | qwm | you and that s0cks |
08:11:22 | Llorean | lavid: Not last time I did it, it's been a week at least since I did it though |
08:11:25 | Mouser_X | SouLja^: I've heard that the way they're checking the battery level is unreliable. It drops quickly, then sits at the same level for hours. |
08:11:42 | Llorean | votetrev: Just have it write a config file, and make sure to backup your themes. |
08:12:01 | bagawk | qwm: never trolled sir. |
08:12:02 | lavid | Llorean: I'm thinking the offset is "off" a little |
08:12:05 | votetrev | ok thanks llorean :) |
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08:12:13 | Llorean | lavid: It wasn't for me, previously. |
08:12:27 | Llorean | bagawk: Just put him on ignore. Please stop directing comments at him. |
08:12:41 | votetrev | if i found a theme i realllllly like...but the font is to small....can i change that? |
08:12:58 | SouLja^ | hmm im trying to load a 21 mb video and its taking forever to buffer.. |
08:13:08 | qwm | bagawk: "ok" |
08:13:34 | Llorean | votetrev: Yes, but you may have to adjust the theme itself to handle the larger font. |
08:13:46 | Llorean | SouLja^: The mpeg player is not entirely reliable yet |
08:13:54 | votetrev | llorean: is that fairly easy? |
08:14:51 | Llorean | votetrev: Depends on what you think "hard" is. |
08:15:02 | Llorean | I'd consider it exceptionally easy, but you may disagree. |
08:16:00 | SouLja^ | well its been buffering for a good 4 mins |
08:16:12 | SouLja^ | im gonna assume that its frozen and it wont work |
08:16:18 | Llorean | SouLja^: It's not gonna work then, probably |
08:16:28 | SouLja^ | agh cant even power off |
08:16:34 | SouLja^ | now the question |
08:16:45 | SouLja^ | wait or turn the battery on and off? |
08:16:54 | Llorean | Battery, probably |
08:17:44 | SouLja^ | lol...i turned the battery off and its still on |
08:17:50 | SouLja^ | time to let the battery run out? |
08:17:59 | qwm | bagawk: why did you steal midkay's settings saving code? |
08:18:02 | SouLja^ | nvm |
08:18:03 | Mouser_X | Is it plugged into the USB, or something? |
08:18:04 | SouLja^ | cause the charger was in |
08:18:08 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
08:18:11 | SouLja^ | lol |
08:18:22 | Mouser_X | I thought it might be something like that. |
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08:20:19 | SouLja^ | what type of vidoes does it support? |
08:20:22 | SouLja^ | .mpg? |
08:20:45 | Mouser_X | Yes, MPG is all right now. Also, it has to be 44khz audio. |
08:20:48 | Mouser_X | (I think) |
08:21:11 | Llorean | mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 video with MP3 audio at 44khz |
08:21:16 | Mouser_X | And I'm also pretty sure it has to be the resolution of your screen. |
08:21:53 | SouLja^ | ok got it :) |
08:21:57 | SouLja^ | gotta remember that |
08:22:57 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Nah. |
08:23:06 | Llorean | It can be smaller, but the dimensions have to be a multiple of 16 |
08:23:18 | Mouser_X | Oh. |
08:23:47 | Mouser_X | I'll keep that in mind, myself, for future referance (I may want to watch some episodes of Ducktales, when it supports rebuffering). |
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08:25:01 | qwm | bagawk: you're guilty of grand theft code. :( |
08:25:10 | qwm | and please, talk here instead of query. |
08:25:27 | qwm | you're too low to deserve your own window. |
08:25:45 | qwm | btw, do you shave your butt? i prefer smooth butts over hairy ones. |
08:26:22 | votetrev | llorean: is it just a simple editing of a file? |
08:26:28 | Llorean | Yup |
08:26:33 | Llorean | See the CustomWPS wiki page |
08:26:37 | votetrev | ok awesome |
08:26:44 | votetrev | you guys are a great help in here. thanks!!! |
08:27:18 | Mouser_X | Glad to help, where I'm able. |
08:27:27 | Mouser_X | (If I helped at all, that is.) |
08:28:25 | votetrev | if i have playlists on the appleos side....will rockbox's database builder also pull those playlists over? |
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08:29:01 | Mouser_X | If you use the right one, I think it does... |
08:29:03 | Mouser_X | I'm not sure. |
08:29:09 | Mouser_X | And I don't have a link on hand. |
08:29:58 | votetrev | ok...thats fine :) |
08:30:08 | votetrev | i can always test it out right :) |
08:30:12 | Llorean | votetrev: The database builder JUST finds songs. |
08:30:15 | qwm | bagawk: be a man and answer me. |
08:30:31 | Llorean | votetrev: There is a patch that can add a feature to scan for playlists, though |
08:30:36 | qwm | Mouser_X votetrev Llorean |
08:30:39 | qwm | can you guys shut up? |
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08:30:41 | votetrev | oh sweeeet!!!! |
08:30:43 | qwm | we're in the middle of something here. |
08:30:50 | qwm | praise the lord. |
08:30:50 | votetrev | who the hell is this qwm guy? |
08:30:52 | Kick | (#rockbox qwm :can i answer you in his place?) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
08:31:16 | votetrev | llorean: happen to have a link ot that patch? And what exactly involves in "patching" |
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08:31:38 | Llorean | votetrev: Patching is probably "not easy" you have to be able to compile |
08:31:42 | Llorean | The patch is also probably out of date |
08:31:49 | Llorean | So you'll need to do some basic C to get it running again |
08:32:18 | votetrev | just building it in as using gcc? |
08:32:30 | votetrev | or on a linux end anyways |
08:33:00 | votetrev | yeh i dont know C very well just very very basic... |
08:33:23 | votetrev | probably not a good idea for me to try to get to deep :).....so probably easiest just to make them right inside of rockbox? |
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08:33:32 | qwm | sorry guys, didn't mean to misbehave like that. |
08:33:39 | qwm | don't know what got into me! |
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08:34:12 | Llorean | votetrev: Yeah, Rockbox works fine for creating your own |
08:34:25 | votetrev | arite sweet.....ill just have to take a little time to make some :) |
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08:34:38 | Llorean | Rockbox also works fine with .m3u and .m3u8 playlists |
08:34:54 | Llorean | So if you point Winamp or Foobar at the songs on your player, you can save those playlists to be usable by Rockbox |
08:34:54 | Mouser_X | Oooh. |
08:34:57 | Mouser_X | That's very handy. |
08:35:16 | votetrev | .m3u playlists are what i use |
08:35:19 | Mouser_X | I'll definatly be using that feature. |
08:35:38 | SouLja^ | OMG Thanks so much guys for the video |
08:35:40 | SouLja^ | i got it working |
08:35:43 | SouLja^ | it cut off half way though |
08:35:44 | votetrev | whats foobar? |
08:35:48 | SouLja^ | im guessing since it was too large |
08:35:52 | Mouser_X | Foobar2k. |
08:35:57 | SouLja^ | Im probably going to have to split the videos |
08:35:58 | Mouser_X | It's a media player. |
08:36:01 | SouLja^ | into parts |
08:36:16 | Llorean | SouLja^: Just wait for the plugin to be finished. |
08:36:56 | Mouser_X | I use Winamp, but I've dabbled in foobar2k a little. I liked Winamp a lot more. Basically, to me, foobar2k seems to be a media player for developers, and Winamp seems to be a media player for users. |
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08:38:01 | nuge | foobar takes forever to get setup the way you want, but then it's pretty nice |
08:38:06 | nuge | but still, takes too long |
08:38:09 | nuge | winamp just works. :) |
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08:38:47 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
08:39:41 | Mouser_X | As for Rockbox, I haven't tried it yet. Hopefully it's as userfriendly (or, close) as Winamp is... |
08:39:51 | Llorean | Either way, Foobar/Winamp merits are off topic. :-P |
08:40:08 | Mouser_X | (I tried to talk about Rockbox in my last sentance...) |
08:40:19 | Llorean | Hehehe |
08:40:27 | Llorean | Rockbox is probably going to be "Too much to set up" for you then. |
08:40:37 | Mouser_X | :( |
08:40:41 | Mouser_X | I'll get help with it. |
08:40:44 | Llorean | It's a very sparse, text-based interface with a lot of options. |
08:40:47 | Llorean | We do have a full manual though |
08:41:09 | Mouser_X | Chances are I'll break something before I read the manual... |
08:41:11 | Mouser_X | :P |
08:41:26 | Mouser_X | Though, once that happens, I'll probably check the manual... |
08:41:35 | Llorean | I'm still amazed nobody has yet bricked their player by willingly not reading the directions. |
08:41:43 | Mouser_X | lol |
08:41:47 | Llorean | People have tried, really hard though, fortunately always on hardware that's nearly impossible to brick. |
08:42:18 | Mouser_X | Well, my PC is still up and running, so that's a good sign (I wouldn't say I'm very nice to the thing). |
08:42:37 | Mouser_X | In other words, chances are that if I break it, I'll at least be able to figure out how to unbreak it... |
08:42:49 | Mouser_X | Or, get it semi-working again. |
08:43:29 | votetrev | with doom...once i get a wad |
08:43:33 | votetrev | where exactly do i place it? |
08:44:13 | Mouser_X | That's been asked before. I *think* it goes in the root... Or, in the ".rockbox" directory. |
08:44:30 | Mouser_X | Though, that's going off of memory. I don't actually know. |
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08:44:58 | votetrev | ok... |
08:45:14 | votetrev | i thought i read somewhere F:/games/doom |
08:45:18 | votetrev | but i wasnt sure |
08:45:23 | Mouser_X | could be. |
08:45:26 | votetrev | F: being whatever your ipod is |
08:45:28 | Mouser_X | I don't know. |
08:45:33 | votetrev | ima check it out now... |
08:45:33 | Llorean | /games/doom, yes |
08:45:34 | Mouser_X | :P Sorry. |
08:45:39 | votetrev | i just gotta see what this is like on the ipod |
08:45:41 | Llorean | votetrev: Please, read the manual. |
08:45:46 | Llorean | Many of these things are covered in it |
08:46:00 | votetrev | ok sorry :) |
08:46:08 | votetrev | i just like to confirm i understand right |
08:47:03 | lamed | hello everyone |
08:47:14 | Mouser_X | Take note: I added plenty of disclaimers informing you that my information (for Doom, at least) was not reliable. |
08:47:23 | Mouser_X | Sorry I was wrong. |
08:47:38 | Mouser_X | Howdy lamed. |
08:51:04 | lamed | I'm trying to figure out why players that I connect to my h340 won't go into usb mode: I just find out that the usbotg female part does not carry the 5 volts throught the pins. I am using the Korean version. do you think that there was some hardware made different between the US and international players - as this could not be a software issue. |
08:52:29 | * | Mouser_X fails to see how this is Rockbox related... |
08:52:49 | Mouser_X | Unless, the h340 port has USB hosting stuff/support. |
08:53:18 | Mouser_X | Either way though, I have no ideas/answers for you. |
08:53:20 | Mouser_X | Sorry. |
08:55:26 | votetrev | ok....installing in /.rockbox/games/doom putting in the required wod then the freedoom doom2.wad it says that there is no wad files |
08:55:39 | lamed | mouser_x: one can easily assume someone would know if there was any hardware differences between those versions. |
08:56:57 | Llorean | lamed: Actually, my understanding was only the US version of the hardware didn't provide power to the USBOTG port |
08:56:59 | votetrev | nm got it :) |
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09:00:00 | lamed | Llorean: and since I have no way of telling what version am i having, I guess I am really having the us ver. do you happend to know if it is a hardware limitation? |
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09:00:22 | Llorean | Yes, it is. |
09:01:41 | Alexinc | is anyone up to making a option that can flip the display sideways for us gigabeat users? |
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09:03:11 | lamed | ahhhm. so rb supporting usbotg wouldn't help me on that matter. :/ 10x liorean for the help. |
09:03:48 | Llorean | I do believe you can fix it, though, if you're up for hardware mods. |
09:03:57 | Llorean | There was talk of it at misticriver, don't ask me where though, I saw it ages ago |
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09:07:37 | vadim | votetrev, wrong dir, please read carefully |
09:09:37 | UpsioneD | hello, i ve got a recorderv1 with my new 160go, i created a 127go partiton and a 25 second but this one is empty from rockbow and windows says some erors from copy |
09:10:38 | scorche | you have to connect the drive into the computer directly |
09:11:44 | UpsioneD | I created two partition without archos |
09:12:20 | tychver | is there any way to set mencoder to create multiple smaller files? |
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09:12:26 | takeda` | any developer here? |
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09:12:37 | scorche | UpsioneD: you have to load the files that way too |
09:13:13 | scorche | on the last partition at least |
09:13:56 | UpsioneD | There is some file on, copy with archos will never work? |
09:14:21 | UpsioneD | copy on rockboc, sorry. |
09:14:23 | scorche | on the last partition, it wont |
09:14:31 | UpsioneD | ok |
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09:15:04 | scorche | it is a hardware issue where it cannot address the higher sectors |
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09:15:54 | UpsioneD | allright thank you |
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09:22:15 | lamed | Llorean: 10x |
09:22:26 | lamed | cya all... i'm going kiteboarding! |
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09:23:03 | vadim | hmm, I can confirm thar gigabeat built from today's cvs randomply speeds up song may x1.5 |
09:23:37 | vadim | and some noises appears too |
09:24:26 | Llorean | vadim: "Today's CVS" or "The most recent CVS"? |
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09:25:51 | vadim | yes, the head |
09:26:22 | vadim | i mean I did cvs up and compile |
09:28:08 | Llorean | Just making sure, as I think a recentish gigabeat change was supposed to affect that, and so a compile from "Today" might not have included that depending on what time today it was made |
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09:29:47 | vadim | just updated again, no changes. So i'm "current" at the moment |
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09:31:02 | gotthardt | do you still get a speedup with new build? |
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09:42:06 | vadim | gotthardt, my last update was may be a week ago so it is the first time today when i experienced speedup. Another notice: I did not experienced it with flac but quite often with mp3. |
09:42:13 | RedZZR | Hi to the #gigabeat crew :) |
09:42:34 | gotthardt | is that from the latest ? |
09:42:47 | gotthardt | sloth thought he fixed it |
09:42:48 | vadim | still no consistency. it played mp3 for couple hours, and then almost every song speeds up in the middle |
09:43:01 | gotthardt | ok - he will want to know |
09:43:35 | vadim | yes, i recall talks about speedup but experience it for the first time |
09:44:06 | gotthardt | does it sound like the same song just faster? |
09:46:43 | UpsioneD | Do all the file i copy with no rockbox way will appear wheras windows wrote when I plug my archox? |
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09:59:42 | vadim | gotthardt, yes, the song is playing correct but faster |
09:59:51 | gotthardt | ok - thasks |
09:59:56 | gotthardt | thanks |
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10:35:41 | fleytin | Hello. |
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10:37:21 | fleytin | I would like to recompile my rockbox with low latency mode for the sound setting menu while playing disabled. Where shall I comment it out? |
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10:44:31 | bluebrother | low latency mode? Never heared of that |
10:44:58 | safetydan | bluebrother, the pcm buffer can be switched to a low latency so mode so that things like equalizer settings changes are audible sooner |
10:45:30 | bluebrother | ah. But "while playing disabled"? |
10:45:57 | safetydan | not sure about that bit |
10:46:03 | safetydan | fleytin, look for calls to pcmbuf_set_low_latency |
10:46:35 | fleytin | I am a blind user and just want my sound setting menu spoken while playing. |
10:46:40 | safetydan | ah |
10:46:43 | safetydan | hrm |
10:47:10 | safetydan | fleytin, try commenting out lines 809 and 816 of apps/sound_menu.c |
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10:47:46 | fleytin | safetydan: Thanks! I'll give it a shot! |
10:48:25 | safetydan | fleytin, no worries, just be aware that changes made to sound settings while playing will take a little while to be audible |
10:48:44 | safetydan | though volume and other hardware based settings will be instant |
10:51:51 | amiconn | Low latency mode disables voice? |
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10:52:28 | safetydan | amiconn, I wouldn't have thought so, but fleytin seems to think it might |
10:53:14 | fleytin | amiconn: At least on iaudio x5. I heard that on iriver it works with no problem. |
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10:54:22 | fleytin | safetydan: Did you mean fragments like this: |
10:54:22 | fleytin | #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC |
10:54:22 | fleytin | pcmbuf_set_low_latency(true); |
10:54:22 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK fleytin |
10:54:22 | fleytin | #endif |
10:54:26 | fleytin | |
10:54:34 | safetydan | fleytin, yes |
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11:00:52 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Are you aware of the dircache stkov problems people have been reporting? |
11:03:44 | amiconn | fleytin: That doesn't make sense. It should work the same on all swcodec targets |
11:03:58 | amiconn | Another mysterious problem... :/ |
11:05:44 | fleytin | amiconn: Just recompilled. Will try in a moment. |
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11:13:41 | fleytin | amiconn: It works now! |
11:18:35 | Slasheri | linuxstb: nope, i havent had time to check the bug tracker recently. Do you know if it's enough to increase the stack size? |
11:18:44 | fleytin | safetydan: Thanks again for a tip! |
11:18:53 | safetydan | fleytin, no problem |
11:19:00 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I don't think it's on the patch tracker, just Mistic River.... |
11:19:01 | safetydan | Now to find out what's really going on |
11:19:11 | Slasheri | ah.. i will check that |
11:19:34 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Plus Genre9mp3 has mentioned it in here. I suggested that he increased the stack size for the dircache thread, and that appears to be enough to fix it. |
11:20:04 | Slasheri | hmm, then that fix should probably be committed |
11:20:19 | Slasheri | but i have no idea yet why it runs out of stack size.. |
11:20:23 | Slasheri | need to check the code |
11:20:43 | Slasheri | at least the dir recursion shouldn't cause that |
11:20:49 | linuxstb | Also, is there a reason you define the size in terms of DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + x ? |
11:21:00 | linuxstb | Instead of just 'x" ? |
11:21:22 | Slasheri | no, that was from old times when i didn't knew exactly how the threading worked |
11:22:34 | Slasheri | for dir recursion, functions inside dircache are never called recursively.. |
11:22:42 | Slasheri | so something else must cause that |
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11:33:58 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: hello. I had couple questions myself: 1) Why align audiobuf when it's aligned in buffer_init and kept aligned by buffer_alloc? 2) Does anything cause dircache to mess with the audio buffer after audio initialization? If so it should obtain the buffer with a function call first. |
11:35:28 | Slasheri | 1) earlier buffer_alloc was not used and buffer was not aligned, so this has changed lately and i see no reason for that now |
11:36:19 | UpsioneD | heelo i ve got an new 160go on my recorder V1 i copied without archose on the second partition but on rockbox, it' empty |
11:36:34 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: and 2) ???? <- very important to know :) |
11:36:37 | Slasheri | 2) After init_dircache() in main.c, dircache buffer size or location should not change. If it does, it's a bug in dircache |
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11:40:31 | webguest99 | C experts here? I need help with http://pastebin.com/851687 |
11:40:51 | safetydan | Would there be much value in getting the user timer working in the sim? |
11:42:46 | webguest99 | Or should the field declaration be const char * const name? I'll try that out. |
11:43:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: around? wondering if you could suggest ways of getting rid of the beating (spurs?) in DDS. I would like arbitrary frequency generation. Phase dithering sounds kinda bad for low sample rates if I did it right. Without anything it sounds exactly the same as CoolEdit's waveform generator (not so good always). |
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11:44:15 | safetydan | dds? |
11:44:26 | bluebrother | webguest99: my_object isn't a pointer while my_type expects a pointer |
11:44:34 | bluebrother | as fas as I can see from a quick look |
11:44:43 | jhMikeS | safetydan: Direct Digital Synthesis |
11:44:56 | pixelma | UpsioneD: maybe you can find some more information here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BigDisk |
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11:45:18 | safetydan | jhMikeS, right, well out of my area of knowledge then :) |
11:46:24 | webguest99 | bluebrother: item.string is initialised with my_object.name, which is a char pointer |
11:47:03 | safetydan | jhMikeS, is the test_sampr.c plugin supposed to compile? Is just trying to compile it before but it seems to expect more in the plugin structure than is currently supported by CVS |
11:47:44 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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11:49:12 | bluebrother | I guess I should finish this hw-stuff I'm working on first :o |
11:52:11 | jhMikeS | safetydan: It should. All the functions are in the plugin API. |
11:52:48 | jhMikeS | Is it for a sim? I think I have some stuff removed there. |
11:52:59 | safetydan | jhMikeS, yeah for the sim |
11:53:24 | safetydan | which probably explains it |
11:53:31 | safetydan | I should have thought about it a bit first |
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12:42:01 | webguest99 | Hey C experts! Stil no ideas about http://pastebin.com/851687? |
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12:57:45 | jhMikeS | webguest99: yeah, that won't go over too well. |
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13:03:26 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: what do you mean? Should I declare name as const char * const name? I can't try now, unfortunately. |
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13:07:01 | barrywardell | Bagder: looks like that new Sansa firmware has a new key. mi4code seems to be able to scan for the right key though |
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13:12:23 | Angry | Barry could i ask you for a litlle help ^^ |
13:13:07 | barrywardell | yes. just ask |
13:15:10 | Angry | Ok, i am learning C now and i think i could cope to optimize the H10 Pad with the smoothing suggestions in the tracker. The only thing i really need (and didnt get it) is to get access to the adc_read() function in a plugin which i would like to use as a sandbox... Is this very complicated. I need to know the data value of the scrollpad |
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13:17:29 | barrywardell | you probably need to look in plugin.c/plugin.h |
13:18:22 | Angry | to make it available over the plugin_api |
13:18:30 | UpsioneD | Hey i had some problems with my 160Go recorder v1: the second partiton must be a logic. Now all workd perfecly. I'm trying to compile? Thanks You... |
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13:19:39 | barrywardell | Angry: yes, just add adc_read() to the end up the struct plugin_api |
13:19:56 | barrywardell | although you're probably better using adc_scan() than adc_read() |
13:19:56 | Angry | and #include adc.h at the top |
13:20:03 | Angry | "adc.h" |
13:20:49 | barrywardell | adc_scan() always gives the latest value. adc_read() only gives a value that is updated every tick (1/100th of a second) |
13:21:38 | barrywardell | i think it should be #include "adc-target.h" |
13:21:42 | Angry | so i will procede with adc_scan |
13:21:46 | barrywardell | for adc_scan() |
13:22:56 | Angry | Ok i'lll try that... Thx^^ |
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13:23:26 | mkis5 | sup all |
13:23:35 | barrywardell | let me know if you get stuck with it. it would be really great to have more stable adc values |
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13:24:27 | Angry | i will... ^^ |
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13:28:36 | iR0x | Can anyone help me with a little pointer problem? |
13:28:37 | iR0x | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8020.0 |
13:29:39 | Mikachu | you can't return pointers allocated on the stack |
13:30:18 | Mikachu | you probably don't want dynamic allocation in rockbox anyway |
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13:30:41 | mkis5 | hello all |
13:30:55 | Mikachu | you already said that |
13:33:22 | mkis5 | and no one responded |
13:33:35 | mkis5 | i think thats pretty rude |
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13:34:06 | jhMikeS | webguest99: could probably use a direct character array and the address of any element you like. That should work since I do it in other places with other types. |
13:34:13 | scorche | then you must not come into support channels that often |
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13:35:07 | mkis5 | actually i don't sorry guys i was just being friendly |
13:35:14 | mkis5 | state'ing that im alive |
13:35:25 | muesli__ | well done mr powers |
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13:36:16 | * | jhMikeS witholds a good deal of his rudeness and still sounds jerky and opinionated :P |
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13:37:36 | linuxstb | Living in different timezones... |
13:37:56 | Mikachu | linuxstb: nice work on mpegplayer :) |
13:38:14 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Thanks. Haven't seen you here for a while. |
13:38:17 | mkis5 | kinda figured that... just making convo |
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13:38:59 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i got only 2 or 3 seconds desync on a 3 minute video, but sometimes the sound was a bit garbled |
13:40:17 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Does the video ever fail to start? |
13:40:34 | Mikachu | i only tried once so far |
13:40:43 | * | jhMikeS wishes he could test the mpeg player but Cowon seems to be taking their time on repairing the x5 (right?) this time. |
13:40:44 | linuxstb | I've working on AV sync at the moment.... It's working quite well, but mpegplayer is still a little unstable for me (on my ipod Color). |
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13:41:06 | Mikachu | well, twice, i forgot to make the height multiple of 16 because i used the command on the wiki |
13:41:18 | Mikachu | 13:29:38 <Mikachu> you can't return pointers allocated on the stack |
13:41:21 | Mikachu | 13:30:18 <Mikachu> you probably don't want dynamic allocation in rockbox anyway |
13:41:49 | mkis5 | any body no of anysites i could buy a ipod video logic board |
13:42:35 | Mikachu | linuxstb: is it random with the same video or some are flakier than others? |
13:42:56 | Mikachu | actually it did sort of crash or something when i tried to enable the frame limiter |
13:43:30 | linuxstb | The main problem I'm looking at at the moment is that the video never starts to display. |
13:43:40 | linuxstb | It doesn't seem related to which video I'm playing. |
13:43:48 | linuxstb | Just threading issues I think. |
13:43:52 | Mikachu | does it stay black and hang? |
13:44:09 | linuxstb | The CVS version will keep saying "buffering..." forever. |
13:44:22 | Mikachu | it might be what happened when i tried to return from the menu... |
13:44:38 | linuxstb | My version is much better than CVS, but it's still not perfect... |
13:44:56 | Mikachu | you're supposed to commit every time you make a change :) |
13:45:51 | linuxstb | The build servers would never stop if we all did that. |
13:46:16 | Mikachu | i guess taht's true |
13:46:53 | linuxstb | But as soon as I feel it's stable again, I'll commit. |
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13:47:47 | Mikachu | i got about 28 fps without the limiter but only 21 with, the target is 23.97, iirc |
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13:48:15 | Mikachu | (that was 176x96 video though) |
13:48:55 | Mikachu | ah that res is in the table |
13:49:25 | Mikachu | i'll just check again to be sure it was 28 |
13:51:48 | Mikachu | it seems to stabilize at 29.6 actually |
13:51:48 | Mikachu | i'll put in 29 |
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13:55:35 | muesli__ | ive got a 90min mp3 life cut from a concert. with what tool do i cut it into gapless pieces? |
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13:56:36 | linuxstb | Is it VBR or CBR? |
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13:57:34 | Mikachu | i think there are about 4 different programs that can cut mp3s on freshmeat |
13:57:41 | Mikachu | no idea if they are gapless afterwards |
13:58:08 | muesli__ | linuxstb its cbr |
13:59:09 | muesli__ | Mikachu when i recall myself right you simply have to cut them at the end of a block |
13:59:19 | muesli__ | but im not tooo familiar with the technical stuff |
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14:00:28 | Mikachu | mp3splt lets you specify timecodes or use silence detection, but i guess the latter doesn't work if there are applause and stuff |
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14:02:05 | muesli__ | Mikachu ill just guess the position of cuts since its not an official cd and a dvd-audiotrack |
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15:26:49 | Arathis | Does anybody know a way to put some lines of text into a textfile on a specific passage if you don't know the exact linenumer? (refering to xorg.conf) And all that within a bash script |
15:28:10 | hcs | yes, well, with sed at least, but it is not a topic for #rockbox |
15:29:09 | Arathis | that's true. just thought here might might be people knoing about it (I'm a bit afraid of going to #bash ;) ) |
15:29:24 | Arathis | I'll look at sed than. thanks |
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15:32:42 | Nico_P | any comments on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6505 ? |
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15:36:21 | Arathis | Nico_P: what do mean by "slider bitmap"? |
15:36:39 | Mikachu | a bitmap that moves, like a slider, i guess? |
15:36:47 | Nico_P | Mikachu: that's it |
15:37:24 | Mikachu | could you have the progressbar for playback and the slider for seeking? :) |
15:37:57 | Arathis | so the aim is to have a single little bitmap that moves across the display instead of a growing progress bitmap? |
15:38:11 | Nico_P | Mikachu: that would be possible but it's not the same patch anymore |
15:38:19 | Nico_P | Arathis: yes |
15:38:49 | hcs | cool, it'd make the winamp skin clones more accurate :) |
15:43:04 | Arathis | I myself wouldn't use it a lot because I prefer the normal progressbar, but as hcs said there are people just waiting for such a patch. |
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15:48:41 | GodEaterWeb | I'm continually amazed by how many people care about such details on the display. I thought the point was to listen to the music - not watch the screen of your DAP while you're doing it :) |
15:49:33 | * | amiconn fully agrees |
15:50:11 | Mikachu | i still use the wps i made in 5 minutes as a test last year |
15:50:41 | Arathis | GodEaterWeb: It's for artistic freedom ;) |
15:50:47 | Nico_P | I don't really care either but I saw the request on the forum and I thought it was a good idea and not too hard to do |
15:50:49 | hcs | whereas I use the default without the peakmeters, but it's still nice to have cool pretty things |
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16:01:26 | lowlight | Slasheri: tagcache bug for you :) ...http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6501 |
16:01:42 | lowlight | errr...database |
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16:08:27 | lowlight | any reason there needs to be both an integer and a string value for "year" metadata? Seems the integer year just requires unnecessary string>int>string conversions. |
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16:21:55 | Slasheri | lowlight: the integer year is trivial to store, and requires less space so database uses it |
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16:22:07 | Slasheri | that ogg year strings needs to be converted to integer somehow.. |
16:22:33 | Slasheri | it's a problem with the metadata parser |
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16:23:33 | Slasheri | ah, it seems that metadata parser doesn't even try to parse it for ogg metadata |
16:24:20 | Slasheri | in this case ogg format is bad because it doesn't have strict format for tags |
16:26:11 | linuxstb | I thought it was DATE in vorbis comments, not year... |
16:26:27 | Slasheri | at least i can't think of why somebody would want a non-numeric year |
16:26:35 | Slasheri | hmm, that's correct in fact.. |
16:26:56 | hcs | The Year of Our Lord Two-Thousand and Seven |
16:26:58 | Slasheri | so it is even more complex to parse than that |
16:27:05 | linuxstb | Plus my only .m4a file has a date field with something like "2004-07-01 00:00.00" |
16:27:08 | Slasheri | dates can be almost in any format :/ |
16:31:35 | lowlight | I don't think id3v2.4 has a strict year tag anymore either |
16:33:34 | lowlight | they use a "timestamp" format |
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16:42:19 | Alexinc | is anyone up to coding an option so you can flip the screen sideways for us gigabeat users |
16:44:08 | goffa | Alexinc: no |
16:44:20 | goffa | i talked to amiconn about it and it wouldn't be worth it |
16:44:58 | goffa | would take a LOT of code to implement, and you'd have to alter the way wps screens are handed |
16:45:01 | goffa | handled |
16:48:51 | RedZZR | you would then have to use the ipod 5g wps |
16:49:41 | RedZZR | could you not have two directories - one portrait wps - the other landscape |
16:49:51 | RedZZR | or even two sub dirs |
16:50:30 | perl|work | personally i never used landscape mode on my player |
16:50:52 | RedZZR | Its quite nice when undocked - but no use when its docked... |
16:51:11 | Bagder | RedZZR: it would still need a lot of changes |
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16:51:26 | RedZZR | quite a few - I don't disagree |
16:52:25 | perl|work | btw is there an issue with album art patch that alters the WPS screen abit? we're getting it on gigabeat |
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16:53:02 | Bagder | the album art patch is unofficial |
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16:58:04 | Alexinc | what is the tetrix plugin called? |
16:58:19 | hcs | rockblox? |
16:59:01 | perl|work | i noticed yesterday pacman stopped working |
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16:59:47 | RedZZR | rockblox has been updated to work, but the patch has not yet been commited to the CVS - |
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17:00:22 | RedZZR | on the Gigabeat that is... |
17:00:39 | perl|work | yep pacbox is still broken for gigabeat |
17:01:11 | RedZZR | maybe the DMA updates have broken it. |
17:01:35 | Alexinc | well can someone commit the patch? |
17:01:44 | Alexinc | i really want some tetrix |
17:02:09 | RedZZR | I've passed it on... just waiting for them to get the time to apply the patch and submit |
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17:02:18 | perl|work | pacbox > rockblox |
17:02:19 | perl|work | :P |
17:02:22 | RedZZR | ps. I added a highscore feature as well... |
17:02:34 | Alexinc | i dont like mame that much |
17:02:50 | hcs | pacbox is not mame based |
17:02:55 | Alexinc | what is it |
17:03:08 | hcs | it is from the pacman instructional emulator, iirc |
17:04:06 | perl|work | yes, the real deal |
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17:05:30 | RedZZR | I was looking at the Block Diagram of the Gigabeat, noticed a 2Kbit I2c EEPROM in the dock, anybody know the device address of this, could it be used to store the last track played when docked etc... |
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17:06:11 | RedZZR | I suppose this info could be stored in a file... |
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17:07:14 | lowlight | you can always just press play again to resume the last played track |
17:07:32 | pixelma | RedZZR: did you post the tetrox (and/or) patches in the official rockbox patch tracker - so maybe another dev could look at it too... |
17:08:07 | pixelma | other patches I mean |
17:08:30 | RedZZR | I just posted it to one of the gigabeat devs with commit privs... I could post it to the patch tracker... |
17:08:46 | RedZZR | I'm at work at the moment, so don't have it with me. |
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17:12:26 | pixelma | that would increase you chances... :) |
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17:12:36 | Alexinc | sweet |
17:12:37 | Alexinc | thanks |
17:12:41 | Alexinc | now, off to school |
17:12:42 | Alexinc | bye |
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17:12:45 | RedZZR | emailed the rockblox patch to gotthardt: but I will try and put up a patch later |
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17:13:24 | RedZZR | off home now... bye |
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17:14:49 | bluebrother | hmm ... does svn use $Id:$ tags? |
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17:37:45 | amiconn | goffa: There is a slight chance for portrait/landscape flipping to become easier to implement with viewports, as viewports are already variable-sized display areas per definition |
17:38:19 | lowlight | bluebrother: seems so...http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.2/svn.advanced.props.html#svn.advanced.props.special.keywords |
17:38:43 | amiconn | It'd still require a second set of drawing functions (to be implemented in every lcd driver that shall support this kind of flipping) and the application layer must be aware of it as well |
17:39:26 | lowlight | maybe easier to make a separate landscape build and rolo it |
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17:40:17 | amiconn | lowlight: The general problem with roloing different builds would be the plugins |
17:42:00 | lowlight | ahh, yes |
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18:10:22 | debauched_sloth | is there someone there who knows the ATA driver? |
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18:14:15 | perl|work | debauched_sloth afternoon |
18:15:38 | debauched_sloth | hello |
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18:19:10 | perl|work | debauched_sloth _love_ the sound quality with the latest build |
18:19:20 | debauched_sloth | great |
18:19:27 | perl|work | sped issue seems to be gone as well |
18:19:34 | debauched_sloth | it's not |
18:19:37 | debauched_sloth | looking at that now |
18:19:45 | perl|work | really? never happened to me this morning |
18:19:50 | perl|work | played same tracks for an hour |
18:20:05 | perl|work | and i was getting it every 2nd track last night |
18:20:30 | perl|work | just skipped once to the next track by itself |
18:20:34 | goffa | battery life seems greatly improved don't have any hard numbers |
18:20:37 | perl|work | from the middle of a song |
18:20:52 | debauched_sloth | yes, it's harder to get now |
18:20:58 | debauched_sloth | battery life should be MUCH better |
18:21:06 | perl|work | but its still there? |
18:22:05 | debauched_sloth | yes |
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18:22:20 | debauched_sloth | trying to figure it out now |
18:22:27 | perl|work | why went with the dimming btw? |
18:22:37 | debauched_sloth | I don't understand |
18:22:45 | perl|work | since shut off improves it even more |
18:22:54 | perl|work | about backlight |
18:22:58 | Mikachu | what target is this? |
18:23:03 | debauched_sloth | oh. gotthardt needs to merge that |
18:23:06 | debauched_sloth | gigabeat |
18:23:09 | Mikachu | ah |
18:23:14 | perl|work | debauched_sloth aha |
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18:24:07 | Mikachu | i think that patch should use some define for the rockbox dir, and not hardcode /.rockbox ? |
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18:38:28 | pixelma | heh... re. rockblox the "highscore box" would have to be prepared for all targets - and won't fit on most displays.... |
18:39:25 | pixelma | is it really necessary to display that on the playboard? |
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18:40:39 | pixelma | wouldn't a separate list be better as it is done some other plugins? |
18:41:40 | pixelma | the question would be directed to gotthardt nut he isn't here atm :/ |
18:41:45 | pixelma | *but |
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18:43:00 | ICE9 | hi have a question installing rockbox on nano gen 1 |
18:43:22 | ICE9 | hmm |
18:43:34 | ICE9 | which version should I install |
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18:43:53 | ICE9 | the daily build or current stable |
18:44:07 | ICE9 | and is the stable only for archos ? |
18:44:19 | LinusN | the stable is only for archos |
18:44:47 | RedZZR | It would not be too hard to enable the highscore without displaying it, or you could just make room for the highest score. |
18:44:48 | ICE9 | so I have to d/l the daily build then right |
18:45:44 | pixelma | RedZZR: look at the screenshots here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockblox and tell me where the highscores could fit on let's say the Archos display... |
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18:47:55 | pixelma | and the patch causes warnings for all other targets - I guess it's because of the highscores... |
18:47:57 | preglow | display high score in the main screen? |
18:48:16 | pixelma | preglow: look at the commited background.bmp |
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18:48:58 | preglow | i don't see any (recently) commited bmp |
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18:49:52 | pixelma | apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/rockblox_background.240x320x16.bmp 1.1 |
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18:50:59 | preglow | i don't see the point in that |
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18:52:42 | pixelma | me too, that's why I asked |
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18:53:10 | RedZZR | sorry for the warnings in the sim builds, forgot to add a #ifdef by the declarations |
18:53:47 | RedZZR | Its a pity other screens are too small, but then the file will hold the highscore anyway... |
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18:55:09 | pixelma | why not make it a seperate list (screen) which you can enter by holding a key combo or something? |
18:56:18 | pixelma | you would also be able to use the gigabeat's screen better than what I imagine from looking at the background |
18:56:45 | RedZZR | I was only implementing the gigabeat fixes really and notices there was lots of spare screen... |
18:56:59 | RedZZR | but anybody else is welcome to mod it for other devices... |
18:57:31 | RedZZR | I'll send the simple fix to gothardt: to remove the warnings in the sim builds |
18:58:36 | pixelma | gotthardt: your check for 128 pixels width (only) also disables rockblox for the 5/6GB H10s |
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19:00:38 | pixelma | but only should affect the ifps |
19:01:31 | gotthardt | pixelma: you are right - im working on the fix - the best would be just to so no tothe ifps |
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19:02:01 | gotthardt | debauched_sloth is fixing the warnings now for me |
19:02:06 | debauched_sloth | I hope |
19:02:12 | debauched_sloth | just that, though |
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19:02:57 | gotthardt | heh - the SOURCES in apps/plugins should have the line changed from lcd_width == 128 to !define (FILL IN IF) |
19:03:25 | pixelma | ? |
19:04:08 | Soap | linuxstb: The mpg files I created at "12 FPS" are actually 24 FPS mpegs, with every-other-frame being a duplicate. Would it be possible to add a feature to the pluggin to recognize this type of file, and decode it at the 12FPS rate? |
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19:04:32 | gotthardt | that would be clearer - sorry for the confusion... i gotta run |
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19:07:03 | linuxstb | Soap: I doubt it. The inter-frame dependencies would probably require decoding every frame anyway. |
19:07:39 | linuxstb | Soap: We need to find an encoder that creates "real" 12fps files (even though it's outside the MPEG-2 spec). |
19:08:02 | linuxstb | Did you have a problem with mencoder? |
19:08:38 | Soap | I'll look into that both of those issues. My suspicion is that on the "doubled" 12FPS encodes the duplicate frame is a P frame which could be safely tossed. |
19:09:15 | Soap | as that P frame would contain nothing more than "what he <−− said." |
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19:09:58 | debauched_sloth | anyone here familiar with the ATA driver? |
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19:10:04 | Soap | and the next P frame, the one with real deltas in it, would work just as well referencing N-2 as it would N-1 |
19:10:15 | linuxstb | debauched_sloth: Best to just ask the question... |
19:10:42 | linuxstb | Soap: That all sounds a bit complicated compared to simply encoding the file to have 12fps... |
19:10:57 | debauched_sloth | ok, |
19:11:14 | Soap | linuxstb: oh, I agree, I'll look into alternate encoders. |
19:11:21 | debauched_sloth | I am looking at copy_read_sectors, and I am not sure I understand multi_sectors |
19:11:46 | debauched_sloth | if multi_sectors is the most sectors that can be requested at a time, it does not do that |
19:12:05 | debauched_sloth | rather it requests all, then strobes the data (w/o any pause, really), in multi_sector chunks |
19:12:07 | debauched_sloth | is this correct? |
19:12:23 | debauched_sloth | also, assume we'll have to play with the nop/nop/nop sequence for the gigabeat |
19:12:28 | Soap | Though, if my theory is correct, I might be able to write a simple Perl script to decimate out every other frame, and change the references. |
19:13:38 | debauched_sloth | I'll be back in ten |
19:13:39 | amiconn | debauched_sloth: We do not want no C99variable declarations (i.e. mixed with code), see CONTRIBUTING |
19:15:48 | pixelma | debauched_sloth, gotthardt: is someone going to commit a fix for SOURCES too (regarding rockblox for H10)? |
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19:20:29 | debauched_sloth | amiconn: will do |
19:21:49 | LinusN | debauched_sloth: yes, the multi_sectors behaviour is correct |
19:22:17 | debauched_sloth | ok, just checking |
19:24:13 | debauched_sloth | one more question: at least here, I see a case where issuing a read for the same sectors again seems to fail, I think because BSY is being asserted and deasserted before wait_for_start_of_transfer() can catch them |
19:24:37 | debauched_sloth | no, that can't be |
19:25:03 | debauched_sloth | I'll look at this one some more and see if I can figure out why it is failing |
19:26:20 | LinusN | have fun :-) |
19:26:20 | debauched_sloth | ah, I get it, the wait_for_start_of_transfer() picks up the subsequent chunk of the multi-sector transfer. Thanks. |
19:26:30 | debauched_sloth | ah, yah, fun it will not be, I think |
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19:28:36 | RedZZR | debauched_sloth: sent you a simple patch to fix the other builds of Rockblox. |
19:29:29 | lavid | not sure who to tell this to but the mi4tool cannot decode the new beta sansa firmware |
19:30:22 | RedZZR | debauched_sloth: think the email went to gothardt... its not easy with all the nicks... |
19:30:24 | lavid | at least not with the decrypt function alone |
19:30:28 | debauched_sloth | ok |
19:30:39 | debauched_sloth | he should be back in a short while |
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19:31:25 | lostlogic | ahy h120 owners about? |
19:31:41 | debauched_sloth | what changes to SOURCES are needed? I'm coming in later here |
19:31:41 | lostlogic | how does one operate the reset button on the H120? |
19:31:41 | lavid | lostlogic: yeah, i have one |
19:31:51 | lostlogic | (I don't have one, but my mother does) |
19:32:07 | lavid | lostlogic: you stick a pin in the bottom hole |
19:32:22 | lavid | excuse the vulgarity of that... |
19:32:37 | lostlogic | lavid: and it feels like a button push? |
19:32:48 | lavid | lostlogic: it should |
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19:32:58 | lostlogic | lavid: any need to hold it or just a quick click? |
19:33:07 | lavid | lostlogic: quick click |
19:33:12 | lowlight | lavid: 13.07.01 # <barrywardell> Bagder: looks like that new Sansa firmware has a new key. mi4code seems to be able to scan for the right key though |
19:33:35 | RedZZR | it just needed a #ifdef HIGH_SCORE_Y around the var decs in the init_rockblox func. |
19:34:40 | lostlogic | lavid: ever heard of pressing the reset button not resetting the device? |
19:34:53 | lavid | lostlogic: let's move this to PM |
19:35:18 | pixelma | debauched_sloth: SOURCES... I'll look into that - in short: the important thing is that now it only checks for "LCD_WIDTH != 128" disabling it correctly for the ifp - but incorrectly for the 5GB H10, too |
19:36:38 | RedZZR | ah, thats what the talk was about C99 vars... I see its already been fixed by moving the decs.. |
19:37:21 | lavid | lowlight: what keyfile did they use? |
19:37:43 | lowlight | ask barrywardell ;) |
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19:39:06 | RedZZR | thats one of the problems of multi target development, trying to make sure you don't break the other builds... next time I will do an extra build with another target just to check... |
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19:41:07 | lowlight | lostlogic: I think people have broken the reset button before |
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19:49:54 | bluebrother^ | hmm, looks like the no-fading-on-low-power is intended ... |
19:50:11 | bluebrother^ | in that case it should get documented somewhere |
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20:03:05 | tucoz | Bagder: are you around? |
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20:03:08 | goffa | no fading on low power? isn't that counter intuitive? |
20:03:34 | bluebrother^ | no, as fading needs more power |
20:03:47 | goffa | ah... you'd think it'd use less |
20:03:58 | bluebrother^ | at least when it's done by pwm like in the h100 |
20:04:10 | goffa | ok |
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20:06:15 | goffa | guess i don't care about fading on the h100 though |
20:06:26 | tucoz | bluebrother^: what do you think about the key-naming for the sansa? |
20:06:46 | amiconn | bluebrother: Fading doesn't need more power because it uses pwm. The point is that for flicker-free pwm _on coldfire_ the cpu clock must stay constant during the fade, and because we cannot force the clock low (then music might skip), we need to force it high, i.e. boosted |
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20:07:19 | amiconn | This is because the timer depends on cpu clock, and the pll relock time isn't predictable |
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20:07:41 | goffa | that makes sense then |
20:07:42 | bluebrother | amiconn, I was aware of that fact. Switching a LED on or off doesn't eat up power |
20:07:44 | amiconn | This problem doesn't exist on portalplayer, as the timer clock is independent of the cpu clock on pp |
20:08:03 | bluebrother | but I simply wasn't that precise |
20:08:17 | bluebrother | ah, nice to know. Wasn't aware this is different on PP |
20:08:28 | bluebrother | tucoz, haven't looked closely yet |
20:08:33 | tucoz | I used the Submenu keyname because that is what the key is called (along with down) in the original manual |
20:08:53 | tucoz | and as i used play on the opposite key, as opposed to 'up' |
20:09:21 | bluebrother | but that "Submenu" is really strange |
20:09:41 | bluebrother | hmm, is there a dedicated stop button? Can't see one |
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20:10:01 | tucoz | i know. but that is what that symbol is called |
20:10:25 | bluebrother | what function does that button in Rockbox? Calling the main menu? |
20:10:32 | tucoz | I think so |
20:10:33 | bluebrother | then we could simply call it "menu" |
20:10:47 | bluebrother | "Submenu" sounds so ... weird. |
20:10:55 | tucoz | i think not. the power button has 'menu' written underneath it |
20:11:11 | tucoz | hehe. it does |
20:11:37 | bluebrother | hmm. Really strange naming. |
20:11:52 | tucoz | that is. i think the only key we can call 'menu', is the power button. and that is called Power now. |
20:11:53 | midgey | i've posted an updated version of blackjack to the tracker for all interested |
20:11:55 | bluebrother | would be nice to have one and simply try out how Rockbox uses the buttons |
20:11:55 | midgey | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5664 |
20:12:19 | tucoz | Yes. But I would like to hear what barrywardell and dan_a has to say about it. |
20:12:20 | midgey | this version should work on all targets and has a manual section included |
20:12:26 | bluebrother | amiconn, except the detailed explanation of course ;-) Thanks for clarifying |
20:12:28 | tucoz | yay :) |
20:12:58 | Nico_P | LinusN: I've rewritten one of gl's patches (4783, the y-coord one)... would it be fit for inclusion in CVS ? |
20:13:01 | Febs | The lack of threading etiquette on the user mailing list is getting to be unbearable. |
20:13:03 | bluebrother | hehe ... a candidate for midkay? |
20:13:26 | bluebrother | Nico_P, I guess not −− because of the planned viewports ... |
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20:13:54 | bluebrother | but those customized build guys will like it :) |
20:14:33 | pixelma | tucoz: did you find the new svg with the arrows on it - also I was pointed to the fact that the center is also a "Select" button and wasn't labelled before |
20:14:43 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I hope nobody else answers that :p ... it's just one additional coordinate |
20:15:30 | bluebrother | sure, but if it's additional code (which it surely is) which will get superfluous with viewports ... |
20:16:12 | LinusN | my opinion is this: |
20:16:14 | tucoz | pixelma: i didn't know there existed one with arrows :) I guess i did the current one in a bit of a rush. i think i'll wait with the next, until the button naming is settled |
20:16:23 | Nico_P | there is already some superfluous code with the progressbar, and i'm not sure it's that superfluous unless we want to have a viewport dedicated for the pb |
20:16:55 | LinusN | since viewports isn't happening soon, i think we could apply quite a few of those wps patches in the meantime |
20:17:08 | GodEater | amiconn - You in the mood for some more ATA questions ? |
20:17:28 | pixelma | tucoz: you were off too fast the other day (it was just a matter of seconds - I stated it for the logs, right after you left - it's in the same place as the other was |
20:18:08 | Nico_P | LinusN: that seems very wise to me |
20:18:16 | Nico_P | unless someone is actually working on viewports |
20:18:44 | LinusN | amiconn says he has it in his head, but not more than that |
20:19:09 | tucoz | pixelma: ah. ok. i'll download it later on. |
20:19:12 | bluebrother | oh, that's nice to hear. |
20:19:15 | LinusN | GodEater: anything i can help with? |
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20:19:33 | GodEater | LinusN: possibly :) |
20:19:34 | bluebrother | scrolling margins would surely be another great candidate |
20:19:41 | GodEater | I've just been doing some intensive googling for toshiba specs |
20:20:11 | GodEater | and it seems that at least some of their 1.8" drives interpret 021h as well as 020h as a PIO READ SECTOR command |
20:20:22 | GodEater | but according to the ATA specs - that's an obsolete command |
20:20:43 | GodEater | I'm wondering what the difference is |
20:21:40 | GodEater | and one other thing - which may be entirely irrelevant - but the ATA-7 spec doesn't appear to agree with itself on bit 13 of word 106 |
20:21:49 | GodEater | in one place it says this indicated long physical sectors |
20:21:54 | GodEater | and in another it's long logical sectors |
20:22:02 | GodEater | I've no idea which is true |
20:22:13 | pixelma | LinusN: there was some talk about swapping the 80GB HD from the Ipod into a H300/H100 (?) or vice verso to see if it's only that - I thought you had both? |
20:22:32 | GodEater | pixelma: don't think it'd go - it uses a ZIF connector |
20:22:41 | LinusN | pixelma: yes i have both |
20:22:50 | pixelma | well... I just remembered the idea |
20:24:01 | pixelma | I think amiconn came up with that |
20:24:25 | GodEater | I'm toying with the idea of buying another ZIF 1.8" drive and seeing if it'll work in an 80GB ipod |
20:24:56 | GodEater | just not soon - Xmas was expensive :) |
20:25:14 | LinusN | hehe |
20:25:27 | amiconn | Swapping drives between an 80GB G5.5 and a 60GB G5 should be possible |
20:25:42 | LinusN | i'm thinking of connecting a logic analyzer |
20:25:45 | GodEater | I'm not blowing a load of money on a whole other ipod |
20:25:52 | pixelma | ok... misunderstood then |
20:25:53 | GodEater | I'd just get another dirve |
20:26:11 | GodEater | anyway - any thoughts on those ATA comments - or are they wholy irrelevant ? |
20:26:24 | LinusN | i don't have the ata spec here atm |
20:26:36 | amiconn | GodEater: Of course not... that should be done by someone who has both models, or can temporarily get hold of both |
20:27:42 | * | LinusN seems to have a mission |
20:28:03 | GodEater | hehe |
20:28:55 | tucoz | pixelma: so the space in the middle i a select button on the sansa? |
20:29:21 | pixelma | yes |
20:29:51 | tucoz | ok. thanks |
20:30:07 | amiconn | GodEater: ATA4 says READ SECTOR(S) is 20h or 21h, ATA5 and up say 21h is obsolete |
20:30:32 | amiconn | http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d1153r18-ATA-ATAPI-4.pdf |
20:31:00 | amiconn | page 154 |
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20:32:07 | GodEater | amiconn : have a look here then http://www.psism.com/hdd1564.pdf |
20:32:17 | GodEater | I'm sure those drives have been used in previous ipods |
20:33:40 | amiconn | There's no reason why a newer drive shouldn't support those commands, the standard says they're obsolete, so it's not required that they work, but since the command codes are unused now... |
20:33:54 | * | GodEater wonders if it's worth trying them too |
20:34:00 | amiconn | Maybe toshiba & apple uses such a cheap trick after all? |
20:34:56 | amiconn | Hmm, READ MULTIPLE and WRITE MULTIPLE don't have such an alias |
20:36:11 | GodEater | also - I note there are two modes "LBA" and "CHS" on those drives |
20:36:16 | GodEater | is that of any relevance ? |
20:36:43 | amiconn | That's part of the ata standard |
20:37:00 | amiconn | (dropped in ata6 or ata7, don't remember) |
20:37:14 | GodEater | heh - but not necessarily by Toshiba |
20:38:20 | amiconn | Yes. Same reason as for the 21h and 31h commands |
20:38:52 | amiconn | They're obsolete, but it doesn't hurt to support them if they're not redefined. Better backwards compatibility |
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20:40:32 | * | GodEater notes some Toshiba specific commands in that document too |
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20:40:56 | GodEater | no indication of what they do though |
20:41:31 | amiconn | Hmm. Maybe the apple loader puts the disk to sleep? Did you try issuing a soft reset? |
20:41:43 | amiconn | (as hard reset isn't actually doing anything) |
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20:42:35 | GodEater | soft resest gets called a few times already |
20:42:41 | GodEater | I've not bothered adding more calls to it |
20:42:49 | amiconn | ok |
20:43:08 | GodEater | that's why it takes a while for the "no partitions found" message to come up |
20:43:19 | GodEater | it's the perform_soft_reset()s waiting to come back |
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20:58:54 | pixelma | RedZZR/other gigabeat-owners: wouldn't it be nicer to have a real huge rockblox like that... http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/rockblox_gigabeat.png? (a quick mockup though) - maybe the highscore list could fit there too (if soo desired) otherwise it should be on a different screen but I couldn't code that up :/ ) |
20:59:54 | RedZZR | yes I agree, but I was just trying to get it going with the least changes. |
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21:00:13 | gotthardt | pixelma: sure - always open to improvements - today we are just glad it got added! |
21:00:27 | RedZZR | maybe when I get some spare time... Rockbox is taking up quite a lot of my spare time - which I should be doing my photography.... |
21:00:32 | pixelma | ? - I think this would have needed less changes |
21:00:54 | pixelma | *lesser |
21:01:02 | gotthardt | heh - we have learned: simple changes - aren't |
21:01:29 | RedZZR | maybe... the sound bug is back on my unit at the moment... glitching and speeding up mid song... |
21:01:41 | gotthardt | but thanks for pointing out the biggetr screen - that is nice |
21:01:53 | gotthardt | does it speed up the rest of the song? |
21:01:58 | RedZZR | this time it was a vbr mp3 file... |
21:02:08 | gotthardt | does it go back to normal at the next song? |
21:02:24 | RedZZR | yes, its all the way to the end... with 1min buffering and then its normal on the next song |
21:02:49 | RedZZR | checking the next track |
21:03:00 | gotthardt | does is sound like the song is actually faster? like it plays perfect but just at a faster speed? |
21:03:20 | gotthardt | or does it sound like its playing everyother sample/chunk? |
21:03:25 | gotthardt | like fastforward? |
21:03:30 | RedZZR | no there are glitches and it speeds up and slows a little |
21:03:38 | gotthardt | ah |
21:03:46 | RedZZR | its not much faster - seems to be loosing some data |
21:04:10 | RedZZR | maybe an over or under run condition on the fifo? |
21:04:15 | gotthardt | thanks - i wanted to eliminate that the DAC was getting a different speed setting or a clock was shifting/changing |
21:04:38 | pixelma | gotthardt: I would be able to change it (back) - I just don't know what to do with the highscores... |
21:04:43 | gotthardt | yes - we have some issues still with that... |
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21:04:48 | RedZZR | sounds more like data being lost / corrupted |
21:05:12 | RedZZR | pixelma: Whats the question - about rockblox? |
21:06:46 | pixelma | I could commit it with the other layout (like in the link) |
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21:07:18 | pixelma | if I knew where to put the highscores... |
21:07:22 | gotthardt | use a separate screen for high-scores? |
21:07:40 | RedZZR | why not add an option for high scores on a menu screen? |
21:07:53 | RedZZR | it could do with an intro menu anyway |
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21:08:29 | pixelma | I would put it on a different screen too - but don't have enough coding skills to do so |
21:08:41 | gotthardt | or alway show the hiscores on the intro screen? |
21:08:46 | RedZZR | the display of highscores is disable if HIGH_SCORE_Y is not defined |
21:09:02 | pixelma | there is no intro screen yet - it starts right away |
21:09:07 | gotthardt | oh |
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21:10:35 | * | gotthardt pulls out GB and plays rockblox |
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21:11:52 | D0ug | Is there any sort of effort going into making a gameboy plugin for the sansa rockbox? |
21:12:52 | barrywardell | noone that i know of yet. it should be just a matter of writing a lcd driver |
21:13:07 | barrywardell | and picking a keymap |
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21:13:42 | RedZZR | GB track skip just happend... 4:09 Tracklen - vbr mp3 not long into it - maybe 1:30m |
21:13:42 | tucoz | barrywardell: hi. what do you think about the sansa key names (for the manual)? |
21:13:44 | pixelma | RedZZR: I see what I can do (when you are fine with disabling it) |
21:15:04 | barrywardell | tucoz: what are they currently? I don't see the sansa on the manual page |
21:15:05 | RedZZR | pixelma: it would be nice to have it as an option - otherwise just post a patch to remove highscores - then people with GB who don't want highscore but big display can appy it |
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21:15:46 | tucoz | barrywardell: here are the names. http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/platform/e200.tex?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
21:16:07 | tucoz | in the third block of text from the top |
21:16:53 | tucoz | and here is an image of the player, with some parts missing. http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/rockbox_interface/images/e200-front.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
21:16:55 | barrywardell | they seem good to me |
21:17:15 | tucoz | you are fine with Submenu as well? |
21:17:22 | barrywardell | the image is great, but select and scroll are missing |
21:17:25 | tucoz | yep |
21:17:39 | tucoz | i'll add those tomorrow. |
21:17:56 | barrywardell | yes, submenu is fine with me. the other option is down, which is a bit confusing given there's a scrollwheel |
21:18:20 | tucoz | right. then i think we should stick with it |
21:18:46 | barrywardell | i like them anyway, unless dan_a or someone has suggestions for a better alternative |
21:19:20 | tucoz | good. i can ask him before i commit the updated stuff |
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21:24:26 | barrywardell | tucoz: while, you're here. FS #6308 |
21:25:15 | bluebrother | barrywardell, did you the low power stuff on h100? |
21:25:52 | barrywardell | the low power shutdown? it was a patch on the tracker that I committed |
21:26:13 | barrywardell | tucoz: what do you think about that that suggestion? |
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21:26:32 | tucoz | ah. i saw that earlier but didn't quite understand it. I wonder how we could refer to buttons by symbols |
21:26:41 | tucoz | as opposed to names |
21:26:54 | bluebrother | do you remember who wrote that patch? Looks like it disables backlight fading when on low power |
21:27:10 | bluebrother | and I feel that should get documented if it's intended |
21:27:34 | bluebrother | tucoz, we could create our own font :) |
21:27:43 | tucoz | hehe. yes. we should :) |
21:27:49 | tucoz | the rockbox font |
21:27:53 | D0ug | Can somone direct me to a place where I could download some fonts? |
21:28:04 | tucoz | on the daily builds page |
21:28:08 | bluebrother | rasher.dk/rockbox">http://rasher.dk/rockbox |
21:28:09 | D0ug | kk thanks |
21:28:15 | bluebrother | has also a lot |
21:28:25 | barrywardell | bluebrother: it was lostlogic that did most of the work. FS #3001 |
21:28:39 | bluebrother | I never created a font for LaTeX but it might be an interesting thing |
21:28:52 | tucoz | D0ug: the cvs-fonts are to be found on the daily builds. rasher has some other ones. |
21:29:15 | D0ug | kk would these fonts be compatible with the sansa e200? |
21:29:18 | tucoz | i think i'll leave font making to the pros |
21:29:30 | tucoz | D0ug: yes |
21:29:35 | D0ug | thank you |
21:29:40 | bluebrother | barrywardell, thanks. |
21:29:41 | tucoz | at least, i assume they would |
21:29:43 | barrywardell | tucoz: i don't think the suggestions in FS #6308 are any better than what we have already. so i think we should either leave them as are, or if possible use symbols instead |
21:30:07 | barrywardell | bluebrother: disabling the fading is intended iirc |
21:30:11 | tucoz | maybe we could think about that one for a few days |
21:30:26 | tucoz | i haven't even considered symbols |
21:30:37 | * | bluebrother just looks at FS #6308 |
21:30:52 | barrywardell | bluebrother: backlight fading uses extra power, so when the battery gets low it is disabled to get a little more life out of it |
21:31:08 | bluebrother | symbols would be nice, but I disagree with the poster of that task |
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21:31:26 | barrywardell | the h10 iriver manual uses symbols iirc |
21:31:39 | * | dan_a sees his name in the logs |
21:31:53 | bluebrother | barrywardell, I assumed that but I was a bit surprised when I first ran into it, so I thought it should get documented if it's intended |
21:32:06 | tucoz | dan_a: hi. we have been discussing what we should call the buttons on the sansa |
21:32:25 | bluebrother | also, it seems when connecting the charger when on low battery doesn't restore the fading. If you boot with charger connected it works. |
21:32:32 | bluebrother | but I'll need to verify this. |
21:32:57 | tucoz | dan_a: i pasted some links to the current status around 21.15 |
21:33:15 | bluebrother | the only problem with icons for the buttons would be the html version |
21:33:37 | bluebrother | they could get replaced by graphics but that won't work for blind users |
21:33:57 | tucoz | ah. the blind users shouldn't be forgotten |
21:34:10 | bluebrother | we could simply keep the text for the html version |
21:34:24 | bluebrother | would require quite some opt-ing but it would work |
21:34:26 | dan_a | tucoz: I'm just going to check that they're not called anything different in the Sansa manual, but I'm happy with those names |
21:34:46 | tucoz | great |
21:35:03 | tucoz | how should we refer to symbols in here? |
21:35:15 | tucoz | when we do user support |
21:35:32 | barrywardell | could you not just use the existing text as the alt tag in the html version? |
21:35:48 | GodEater | do we not have a functional hard reset parameter for the iPod because we don't know it - or because we never thought we needed it ? |
21:36:44 | bluebrother | use the same names as in the html version, and add a page (maybe in the appendix?) that lists the keys and names |
21:37:22 | bluebrother | the alt tag could get used, but htlatex doesn't allow this easily. No idea if it can changed to do so. |
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21:37:41 | bluebrother | otherwise I had proposed that myself ;-) |
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21:38:38 | barrywardell | bluebrother: ah, why can things never be simple? |
21:39:43 | bluebrother | htlatex is kind of a bitch. I'll still need to look why textsc generates messy html code |
21:40:13 | bluebrother | as always: works fine on a small test document but not with the real one |
21:41:51 | barrywardell | bluebrother, tucoz: the iriver manual calles ff/rewind next/previous and cals the other two buttons select and cancel |
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21:43:11 | barrywardell | and then it uses symbols for the buttons too |
21:44:30 | bluebrother | select and cancel makes sense imo |
21:45:02 | barrywardell | agreed |
21:45:38 | barrywardell | here's a direct link to the manual: http://www.iriver.com/html/admin/etc/adet_download_process_1.asp?fileName=H10%20ENG.zip&pathFlag=EG_DOWNLOAD_UP_PATH |
21:45:48 | bluebrother | and next / previous ... don't know what's printed on the keys itself |
21:46:37 | tucoz | ok. that we could change |
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21:47:10 | barrywardell | i think we should change them to be the same as the iriver manual |
21:47:16 | tucoz | i agree |
21:47:47 | barrywardell | bluebrother: look at page 6 of the pdf to see the side buttons. and further on in the manual for their use of symbols |
21:47:55 | bluebrother | yes, after looking at that pdf the names sound reasonable |
21:48:50 | bluebrother | already found that page :) |
21:49:15 | bluebrother | maybe I'll try to get a look in building a symbol font ... |
21:49:26 | * | bluebrother searches for some free time |
21:50:24 | tucoz | we should definitley use the same names as in the iriver manual |
21:50:59 | barrywardell | tucoz: will you commit the change? |
21:51:43 | tucoz | i can not do that now unfortunatley. i can do it tomorrow, unless someone else does iot |
21:51:56 | dan_a | tucoz: The original Sansa manual refers to up as "Up/Pause/Resume" and down as "Down/Submenu" I think our names match closely enough for people familiar with the Sansa manual to understand them :D |
21:51:56 | bluebrother | for the h10? I can do it ... |
21:52:29 | tucoz | dan_a. great. |
21:52:50 | barrywardell | bluebrother: yes, please |
21:53:13 | barrywardell | and i think you can close the bug report once it's done |
21:53:22 | bluebrother | I only don't know if I have everything installed to change the graphic. |
21:53:25 | bluebrother | but I'll see. |
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21:55:03 | bluebrother | ah, inkscape seems to have everything needed |
21:55:23 | tucoz | bluebrother: remember to select the entire image before you export to png |
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21:55:51 | tucoz | and also, i save as .eps in inkscape and run epstopdf on that file to get the pdf |
21:56:21 | bluebrother | ok. Maybe we'll find a way to do this automatically sometime |
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21:57:00 | tucoz | yes. but imagemagick can not be used for this purpose |
21:57:41 | bluebrother | I know. |
21:57:52 | bluebrother | did you do any special settings when exporting to png? |
21:58:11 | bluebrother | I just used Export Bitmap / Page and kept all settings |
21:58:12 | tucoz | no |
21:58:21 | barrywardell | lavid: you were asking about mi4code? did you get it working? |
21:58:55 | tucoz | got to go. i'll try and fix the e200 manual tomorrow |
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22:00:25 | barrywardell | why isn't the sansa on the manual page? |
22:03:06 | GodEater | oh well - it was worth a try - but I can confirm that using the alternatve READ SECTORS command code of 0x21 doesn't work on the 80GB either /= |
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22:06:15 | bagawk | GodEater: :( |
22:06:25 | GodEater | indeed :( |
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22:08:18 | barrywardell | Bagder: i think the sansa should be added to the manual page |
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22:15:01 | pixelma | barrywardell: I don't know how far the Sansa manual itself is prepared for that |
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22:16:00 | qwm | Bagder: how're you doing? |
22:16:24 | barrywardell | pixelma: true.although it would probably be better than nothing |
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22:17:41 | * | GodEater looks for the ATA command for "Why the f*ck don't you just work dammit?" |
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22:18:02 | hcs | 0xFU |
22:18:02 | Doomed | could i ask about the "ignore the when sorting patch" to be re thought out about adding to the cvs. its a small patch and it is useful. its a lot easier to have that patch than to rename all the artist tags. many mp3 players defualt firmware does this automatically |
22:18:22 | GodEater | hcs: hehehe I'll try that! |
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22:19:43 | linuxstb | midgey: Are you wiki user TomRoss? |
22:19:50 | midgey | i am |
22:19:53 | qwm | midgey ? |
22:20:08 | qwm | is that your real nick? |
22:20:15 | linuxstb | Were your mpegplayer results with the standard CVS, or any patches applied? |
22:20:17 | qwm | it does have a slight resemblance to "midkay". |
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22:20:32 | midgey | im either midgey or midgey34 on here |
22:20:33 | qwm | linuxstb: i love you so much for having done that mpegplayer. |
22:20:41 | midgey | linuxstb: standard cvs |
22:20:44 | Mikachu | mine were with kernel_on_cop_6, but you probably guessed |
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22:21:18 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, that's what I wanted. |
22:21:39 | linuxstb | midgey: Quite impressive already then. |
22:21:59 | midgey | i used the elephants dream videos |
22:22:18 | midgey | let it play for a few minutes and took what looked to be the normal speed |
22:22:29 | midgey | it was slower sometimes, faster others |
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22:23:09 | midgey | eg: 224x176 dipped to 8 at times and 13 at others |
22:24:17 | bluebrother | Doomed, that patch got rejected as not wanted functionality IIRC |
22:25:24 | midgey | someone could close my old 3020 if they'd like |
22:26:08 | * | tehsmo still thinks the 'ignore-the sorting' should be a menu option |
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22:26:50 | * | bluebrother still thinks there should be a category like "add-ons" in FS |
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22:33:13 | bluebrother | barrywardell, changes committed |
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22:37:03 | mueslii | LinusN was the Turning Torso already finished? |
22:37:25 | goffa | turning torso? |
22:38:07 | mueslii | yeah, kinda skyscraper in malm/sweden |
22:38:15 | Doomed | yes well im just saying, its a lame excuse |
22:38:15 | goffa | yeah.. just looked it up |
22:38:19 | goffa | pretty cool looking |
22:39:00 | mueslii | theres just a documentary about it on tv |
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22:40:30 | Doomed | hmmm anybody have a H320 here? |
22:40:47 | Febs | I used to. |
22:41:10 | barrywardell | thanks bluebrother |
22:41:18 | Doomed | did you have rockbox on it |
22:41:33 | bluebrother | I'm looking into making the sansa manual buildable. There are only a few buttons missing |
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22:42:13 | linuxstb | Is apps/plugins/SOURCES still wrong? It looks like today's changes disables rockblox for the H10 5/6GB. |
22:42:22 | barrywardell | i see. that explains why it isn't on the manual page yet |
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22:44:32 | pixelma | linuxstb: yes it is... actually I wanted to change it first, now looking if I couldn't prepare rockblox for all targets |
22:45:01 | Doomed | so thats a no go on a rethink about the ignoring the in the tagcache? |
22:45:13 | linuxstb | pixelma Am I right in thinking that it should simply have been changed to "#if ((LCD_WIDTH != 128) || (LCD_HEIGHT != 64)) && !defined(SANSA_E200)" ? |
22:45:41 | pixelma | yes... |
22:45:46 | linuxstb | What targets (apart from Sansa) is it not working on? |
22:45:58 | barrywardell | Doomed: i think it has been resurrected and rejected a few times already so probably not |
22:46:02 | pixelma | ifp |
22:46:02 | Doomed | damn, oh well |
22:46:57 | bluebrother | anyone against filling three missing buttons with fixmes to make the sansa manual buildable? |
22:47:01 | pixelma | linuxstb: that's why the check for 128 pixels width - if you want to you can change it back... |
22:47:25 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, I'll commit now. |
22:47:39 | pixelma | seems to take longer than I thought :/ - the new highscore thing doesn't help me with it |
22:47:41 | gotthardt | linuxstb: should that be a && in there |
22:47:46 | barrywardell | midgey: i can close 3020 for you. what's the reason for closing? |
22:47:47 | gotthardt | instead of the || |
22:48:03 | barrywardell | bluebrother: which buttons are missing and why? |
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22:48:30 | midgey | barrywardell: the patch is out of date and add things that are valid ofr the pc version of the decoder but things we wont decode on rockbox |
22:48:33 | linuxstb | gotthardt: No - it's disabling for 128x64 LCDs plus the Sansa. |
22:48:43 | gotthardt | ok - good |
22:48:44 | bluebrother | 1. toggle between modes in pitch screen. Seems not to be added to the keymap yet |
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22:49:06 | linuxstb | I'm just restoring what was there before, but without the (LCD_WIDTH != 240) && at the start. |
22:49:13 | bluebrother | 2. action "enter" in tree mode. Haven't found it out |
22:49:37 | gotthardt | thanks - i was late to work trying to get patch fixed and at work i cant do cvs |
22:49:43 | ruisu | hello, about the mpegplugin , to convert a video, has anyone converted a video within linux? |
22:50:29 | linuxstb | ruisu: Yes. mencoder and vlc both work. |
22:50:44 | ruisu | hmm, transcoding wmv to mpg? |
22:51:02 | pixelma | thanks linuxstb :) |
22:51:27 | linuxstb | ruisu: If the video can be played with mplayer, mencoder can convert. |
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22:53:53 | ruisu | hmm, yes it can be played, but i get this error: http://pastebin.com/852171 |
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22:55:29 | barrywardell | bluebrother: for 2, enter is select |
22:55:40 | Mikachu | ruisu: try -vc ffwmv3 |
22:56:06 | Mikachu | will use ffmpeg opensource decoder instead of binary dll, but it's marked as "problems" in the help output |
22:56:08 | bluebrother | 3. got to parent directory from tree |
22:56:17 | bluebrother | sorry, just got distracted by a phone call |
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22:56:53 | * | barrywardell got distracted by a phone call too |
22:56:59 | ruisu | Cannot find codec 'wmv3' in libavcodec... |
22:57:13 | linuxstb | What is your mencoder command-lind? |
22:57:18 | linuxstb | ^command-line? |
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22:57:50 | ruisu | oh XD whats google definig |
22:58:06 | ruisu | mencoder $1 -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=600 -vf scale=320:240 -o $1.mpg -vc ffwmv3 |
22:58:12 | barrywardell | bluebrother: 3 should be left. |
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22:59:10 | bluebrother | ok, then I'll fix that and leave 1. empty |
22:59:18 | bluebrother | then it will be buildable |
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22:59:41 | linuxstb | ruisu: The problem seems to be this: "[mpeg2video @ 0x87bb7ec]MPEG1/2 does not support 1000/1 fps" - the video is being detected as 1000fps... |
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23:00:06 | ruisu | yup, that is what i suspect.. |
23:00:30 | ruisu | all videos i have are behaveing like this :P |
23:00:30 | linuxstb | What does mplayer say about the framerate? |
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23:01:31 | ruisu | wow, this is very wrong: |
23:01:46 | Mikachu | wmv files always give crazy fps in mplayer |
23:01:52 | Mikachu | does it say 1000 fps when you play it back too? |
23:01:55 | ruisu | 1000fps, 0.0bps |
23:02:04 | Mikachu | i think the demuxer isn't quite right |
23:02:31 | Mikachu | what happens if you just say -fps 30000/1001 or whatever it should be? |
23:02:38 | Mikachu | (try mplayer first) |
23:03:05 | ruisu | what? where do i try? |
23:03:14 | Mikachu | at the end of your mplayer command line |
23:03:17 | ruisu | ook |
23:03:46 | Mikachu | does it play back really slowly or just slightly wrong, or maybe even correctly? |
23:03:51 | webguest99 | CVS experts here? How can I add a new file? I get "cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository" when I exec "cvs add <file>" |
23:04:22 | Mikachu | you need write access to the repository |
23:04:44 | webguest99 | Actually, I need to add a dir with some files in it |
23:04:53 | bluebrother | you need to use a copy you haven't checked out anonymously |
23:04:56 | ruisu | http://pastebin.com/852187 |
23:04:57 | GodEater | write access isn't just handed out willynilly |
23:05:02 | webguest99 | Mikachu: how can I get one? I'm not a committer. |
23:05:08 | linuxstb | webguest99: If you're preparing a patch, just zip up that folder. |
23:05:15 | ruisu | hoh whait XD |
23:05:29 | linuxstb | webguest99: And provide a patch for anything else you change. |
23:05:35 | Mikachu | ruisu: that's mencoder, not mplayer |
23:05:46 | ruisu | hehe |
23:05:55 | ruisu | right, got that, and its the same |
23:05:56 | Mikachu | ruisu: you'll want to remove -vc ffwmv3 again too |
23:05:59 | bluebrother | you can also diff -u /dev/null path/to/new/file > patchfile |
23:06:09 | Mikachu | i didn't see the 1000 fps thing when i suggested that |
23:06:24 | Mikachu | or diff against a clean checkout manually |
23:06:30 | webguest99 | linuxstb: Aha! You write faster than I think! :-) I was about to say that some existing files were modified as well |
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23:06:54 | ruisu | yay, without the -vc ffwmv3 it worked :) |
23:06:58 | ruisu | thanks Mikachu |
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23:07:18 | Mikachu | ruisu: you'll have to check which framerate is the correct one, if you care |
23:07:32 | Mikachu | if you're just encoding for mpegplayer i guess it doesn't matter if you leave frame limit off |
23:08:08 | linuxstb | Without the correct framerate, A/V sync doesn't stand a chance... |
23:08:20 | bluebrother | webguest99, you can simply create a diff for the files that got modified and diff everything else against /dev/null (and append it using >>) |
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23:08:24 | ruisu | yay :) 29.970 fps |
23:08:28 | Mikachu | yeah but i was thinking benchmark |
23:08:43 | linuxstb | Maybe ruisu actually wants to watch them... |
23:08:44 | Bagder | mi4code 0.9.30 is out |
23:08:45 | Mikachu | this is why i wanted him to try with mplayer, it is fairly obvious then if you have the correct framerate |
23:08:58 | bluebrother | Bagder, the sansa manual is now buildable. |
23:09:00 | Mikachu | yeah, i have no idea what he wants since he doesn't answer some things i say :) |
23:09:05 | Bagder | bluebrother: great! |
23:09:10 | bluebrother | Still missing lots of stuff, but you can build it |
23:09:58 | ruisu | hehe i do want to watc them :) |
23:10:06 | ruisu | watch^ |
23:10:53 | ruisu | thanbks linuxstb and Mikachu :] seeya |
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23:12:08 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Are you sure you tested the 176x96 version of the video? I'm surprised it's a lot slower than the ipod Color. |
23:12:17 | Mikachu | me too |
23:12:22 | Mikachu | i didn't use elephants dream though |
23:12:33 | Mikachu | i should do that i guess |
23:12:36 | linuxstb | That table is for Elephants Dream tests... |
23:12:44 | Mikachu | heh, i was tired |
23:13:08 | linuxstb | The encoder also makes a big difference in speed - as you've found. |
23:14:42 | Mikachu | are these the whole movie? |
23:15:17 | Soap | don't forget the wiki encodes are VBR, so FPS numbers taken at any point before the end are iffy. |
23:15:50 | Soap | they are quite variable in their bitrate (which is good from a quality POV) |
23:16:07 | petur | linuxstb: better add mpeg extension to viewers.config too? |
23:16:19 | Mikachu | i managed to edit viewers.config with text_editor :) |
23:16:21 | Mikachu | i had to reboot though |
23:16:34 | * | petur renamed the file - much faster :p |
23:16:55 | Bagder | bluebrother: sansa manual added on the site |
23:17:04 | bluebrother | nice :) |
23:17:44 | Bagder | and the new mi4code can decrypt the new sansa firmware upgrade |
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23:19:16 | petur | strange... when I hoover over the elephants dream movies links, the filename has mpg extension, but when I save the link it says .mpeg |
23:20:05 | pixelma | you hoover? ;) |
23:20:19 | petur | sure ;) |
23:20:27 | linuxstb | IE? |
23:20:36 | petur | yes - firefox does it ok |
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23:20:54 | barrywardell | Bagder: does the new mi4code just add the new sansa key, or are there other changes? |
23:21:13 | Bagder | just the new key |
23:21:45 | Bagder | e200tool - A tool for accessing the SanDisk e200 series manufacturer mode. |
23:21:50 | linuxstb | petur: Renaming files for you seems very broken... |
23:21:53 | Bagder | MrH's latest offer |
23:22:09 | barrywardell | nice |
23:22:10 | petur | linuxstb: ? |
23:22:17 | Mikachu | linuxstb: is it okay if i check fps after half a minute or so? |
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23:22:56 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You should watch it for as long as possible - the fps displayed is the average since the start of the movie. |
23:23:05 | linuxstb | petur: You said IE renamed the downloaded files? |
23:23:29 | Soap | Mikachu: My contention is that FPS taken at any arbitrary point in the movie are not comprable to anything else, as the FPS number is a running average, and the bits are not evenly distributed. |
23:23:29 | petur | it proposes a file with .mpeg extension |
23:23:53 | Soap | (bitrate being a very large contributer to FPS performance) |
23:24:02 | Mikachu | but if i wait for the movie to end, mpegplayer will exit without showing the fps |
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23:24:26 | barrywardell | Bagder: where is e200tool? |
23:24:43 | Bagder | hang on |
23:24:48 | petur | gtg |
23:24:53 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool/e200tool-src.zip |
23:24:57 | Soap | you need to start paying attention during the credits. I never saw more than a .2 change while in the credits, but a much higher swing throughout the movie. |
23:25:02 | Mikachu | also unless the movie is very boring at the start and interesting at the end, it should approach the correct average pretty quickly |
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23:25:39 | Soap | I have a graph of the motion over time - it is not very even. |
23:25:45 | linuxstb | No, it does change significantly, right up to the end. |
23:26:09 | Mikachu | funny, audio stopped playing and it doesn't take button input |
23:26:28 | linuxstb | Yes, that's one of many bugs (although I think I've fixed that one locally). |
23:26:38 | Mikachu | ah, it was near the end of the video |
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23:27:13 | linuxstb | A/V sync seems good now, but somehow I've managed to break audio playback, it's constantly a little garbled... |
23:27:24 | Mikachu | it's that way sometimes for me with cvs |
23:27:37 | linuxstb | Now it's like it always... |
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23:38:45 | Mikachu | so... rockbox shuts down from inactivity before it finishes playing the video |
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23:39:22 | Doomed | hmm theres a/v sync now? |
23:40:01 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You think it shouldn't? :) |
23:40:23 | Mikachu | possibly not |
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23:42:10 | webguest88 | the ipodpatcher and manual I am using must be different |
23:42:27 | webguest88 | there is no -a to install the ipodbootloader.ipod |
23:42:34 | webguest88 | only -w to write |
23:42:52 | Mikachu | linuxstb: optimizations for the future could be skipping audio decoding if headphones aren't in |
23:42:55 | webguest88 | its a good thing I backed up the orig bootpartition |
23:42:57 | webguest88 | lol |
23:43:03 | webguest88 | can anyone help me |
23:43:12 | webguest88 | this is for a gen 1 nano |
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23:43:23 | webguest88 | black front metal back |
23:43:26 | webguest88 | 1 gig |
23:43:31 | linuxstb | webguest88: Download the ipodpatcher linked from the manual... |
23:43:54 | Soap | Mikachu: I'd rather see a patch to enable audio playback of movies through the iPod piezo when headphones aren't in. ;) |
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23:44:03 | webguest88 | it brings you too a folder |
23:44:04 | Mikachu | haha |
23:44:06 | webguest88 | with alot of versions |
23:44:15 | webguest88 | like 2 3 and 4 for ipodpatcher |
23:44:34 | scorche | then use the latest one... |
23:44:55 | webguest88 | thats the one I am using |
23:45:06 | webguest88 | and alot of the commands are not in it |
23:45:11 | webguest88 | like −−scan doesn't work |
23:45:33 | webguest88 | I had to guess on the drive number and look at the tracks on it |
23:45:47 | linuxstb | Are you using the latest version of the manual? |
23:46:40 | webguest88 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20070105.pdf |
23:46:46 | webguest88 | 2007 looks like it |
23:47:12 | webguest88 | which Ipod pacher should I use |
23:47:19 | webguest88 | can you tell me that pls |
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23:47:35 | webguest88 | I used the one ipodpatcher.exe |
23:47:43 | webguest88 | is that not the right now |
23:47:44 | webguest88 | one |
23:47:52 | linuxstb | Argh, seems the links in the manual aren't very helpful... Just use this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
23:48:05 | webguest88 | k thx |
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23:49:03 | bluebrother | damn. MIssed an auction for a h10 that ended yesterday and had no bidders :( |
23:50:54 | Mikachu | can't you just mail the guy? |
23:52:00 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe. |
23:52:17 | bluebrother | linuxstb, is there a problem with the installation links in the manual? |
23:53:21 | linuxstb | Yes - it just links to the http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod directory, which has various versions of ipodpatcher. IMO, it should link directly to the binaries, in the same way as the IpodInstallationBeta does. |
23:53:51 | linuxstb | Or, we rearrange the download directory in some way. |
23:54:54 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder |
23:54:56 | Febs | I think that the issue was that the main site was down at the time. |
23:55:05 | bluebrother | yes, I changed that recently. |
23:55:12 | * | Bagder awakes |
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23:55:41 | bluebrother | imo it would be best to organize the download directory different. But I can change it to something else |
23:55:56 | linuxstb | My idea would be to change the URLs to something like http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe - and then we can link to that top-level ipodpatcher directory. |
23:56:14 | bluebrother | that was my idea too. |
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23:56:35 | bluebrother | and the mbr files in that folder could get into /bootloader/ipod/mbr/ |
23:56:57 | linuxstb | The MBR files are linked directly from the wiki page - no need to move them... |
23:57:19 | bluebrother | they are? Ok. |
23:57:57 | linuxstb | Yes, the IpodConversionToFAT32 page. |
23:58:03 | Mikachu | is it necessary to write "fps" in every field in the table? |
23:58:24 | Bagder | there already are ipodpatcher-macosx and ipodpatcher-win32 etc dirs in there... |
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23:59:01 | Bagder | you think we should have one dir and have subdirs in that for the archs? |