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#rockbox log for 2007-01-05

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00:07:20amiconnlostlogic: around?
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00:12:49farbrormelonHi, i have some problem with understanding the tutorial of patching rockbox. Someone that can help me?
00:13:28linuxstbHow far have you got? Can you compile your own version of Rockbox without any patches applied?
00:14:23 Join gotthardt [0] (i=86868801@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
00:14:34farbrormelonno, i have installed cygwin and all that but if you look here
00:15:52farbrormelonit says "Go to your C:\Rockbox\ folder, then "Home" and then "Guest"
00:17:06farbrormelonI have followed all the steps, but i dont have any rockbox folder of that kind, But i have the Cygwin-folder that includes the "Home" folder but not the "guest"... it's getting confusing
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00:20:31takeda`"gmake[1]: m68k-elf-gcc: Command not found" - anyone know how I get the gcc for m68k on FreeBSD 6.1?
00:20:44takeda`I never cross compiled before
00:20:57Bagdertakeda`: tools/ is your friend
00:21:29Lars_Gthere's a DAP based on the 68k?
00:21:39BagderLars_G: iriver/iaudio
00:21:44takeda`is using m68k compatible proc
00:21:51Lars_GNot motorola?
00:21:57Bagderwell, freescale
00:22:03Bagderwhat used to be motorola
00:22:04takeda`it's compatible with the processor in Amiga 500
00:22:09Lars_GPardon the expression, I tought motorola had the 68k arch by the balls.
00:22:16takeda`hehe would be cool to have simple amiga emulator there ;P
00:22:29Lars_GPretty nice, I liked the 68k though I must admit I'm a sucker for the ARM, specially pre-intel
00:22:56Lars_Gtakeda`: hmmm you give me ideas, actually... sad i don't have an iRiver
00:23:08takeda`hehe :)
00:23:26takeda`so you would code it? :) I think enough just to load games from amiga floppies and run them
00:23:46Lars_Gtakeda`: Not an amiga one, but I would try to port an Atari ST emulator to it
00:23:59takeda`hmm still would be good I guess
00:24:00Lars_GI miss my 1040ST and a DAP should be able to give enough power to emulate it
00:24:06amiconnThe coldfire is not 100% m68k compatible
00:24:06takeda`although I would favor Amiga better :)
00:24:13amiconnSome instructions need emulation
00:24:30Lars_Gamiconn: yes but if it's only a handfull, speeddown should be lesser than full emulation
00:24:34takeda`amiconn yeah, but I think emulation would still be easier than on x86
00:25:02Lars_GAh well, someday
00:25:18Lars_GI better start small, I've not yet had time to do the small stupid patch to metronome.c I wanted to do. sigh
00:25:55takeda`damn, actually I still don't have full Amiga speed on my PC even though it supposed to be 285 times faster
00:26:35Lars_Gcould be an error on the timing or rtc code
00:26:54Lars_Gif you have that many times more power... well it should be close to original speed at least.
00:26:54amiconnWinUAE is multiple times faster than the fastest real m68k amiga on half-decent pcs
00:27:09Lars_Gamiconn: I don't use windows
00:27:21takeda`Bagder: Can I use different directory for installation than /usr/local? I don't want to mess with files that are installed through ports would be enough just to add new directory to the path?
00:27:40Bagdertakeda`: sure, read the top of that script and edit the paths as you see fit
00:27:45safetydanLars_G, your big problem would be emulating all the custom chips on the Amiga. Agnus, Paula, and friends.
00:27:48Lars_Gtakeda`: Using the script? you can edit it and change the paths
00:28:01Lars_Gsafetydan: Aye, it's a little lesser on the Atari
00:28:02takeda`amiconn: Well, I played bomberman on the last UAE and the sound couldn't keep up
00:28:05amiconnLars_G: I guess there is a version of uae which does dynamic recompilation
00:28:15takeda`although older UAE version was faster
00:28:57amiconnThat's what winuae does, and it runs multiple times faster than my real A4000-060/50
00:29:02takeda`Bagder: Thank you, I'll try it now
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00:29:16*amiconn can actually compare to the real thing
00:29:51*bluebrother just notices the reopen request for FS #6384 got denied within 2 minutes :)
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00:30:35bluebrotherBagder, can we get a "not a bug" closing reason for FS? "Works for me" sounds a bit too much like "I can't reproduce it and define it as non-existant" to me
00:30:46bluebrotheror is such a reason unwanted?
00:31:13Bagdernah, seems like a reasonable reason to me
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00:31:36LloreanHow 'bout "Working as intended"?
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00:32:09Lars_Gthat sounds right ( Llorean's )
00:32:23BagderI think "not a bug" could apply to more situations
00:32:36bluebrotherI like "not a bug" better. It tells clearly what has been reported isn't a bug. (Which also implies it to work as intended)
00:33:11Lars_GHow about "that's how it works, moron" ?
00:33:22Lloreanbluebrother: It could also apply to things that aren't working as intended, and merely aren't complete, or things that should be filed as a feature request, or a variety of other things.
00:33:24Lars_GSorry 2 years of help desk does that to you
00:33:32Llorean"Not a bug" sounds vague to me, is all.
00:33:41bluebrother"works as intended" wouldn't fit on FS #6384 while "not a bug" would.
00:33:54LloreanLars_G: I'm strongly in favour of a reason for closing "You couldn't be bothered to read the manual, so I couldn't be bothered to explain what you did wrong."
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00:34:32Lars_GLlorean: Too long, they'd start drooling around "manual"
00:34:40Lloreanbluebrother: Actually, that's a "Didn't read the manual" case.
00:34:57bluebrotherhehe, like "id10t error"?
00:35:11LloreanIt is working as intended, he just didn't know you have to hold something down while inserting the charger.
00:35:29LloreanBut I'm fine with "Not a bug", it is much more versatile.
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00:35:59LloreanIn which case, I propose "Working as intended" to go along beside it, so that someone doesn't come back with a "Well, what is it then?" and request it be reopened in the cases where it IS working as intended. :)
00:36:58bluebrotherThat could go into the comment. Closed as "not a bug", comment "this is the intended behaviour"
00:37:16bluebrotherin case it describes some "wrong" behaviour
00:37:46LloreanThat works, I suppose.
00:40:04bluebrothertoo bad, still no new release of FS.
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00:41:57bluebrotherFlyspray. Our task tracker
00:42:14Lars_Gah ok
00:42:20Lars_Gfs is pretty nice
00:42:27Lars_GYou guys have taught me some love for it
00:42:40Lars_Gnormally I'm Trac's bitch
00:42:48bluebrotherdon't know since when they got the domain but it's definitely easier to remember ;-)
00:43:20bluebrotherI never got used to trac. Found it always strange.
00:44:03safetydantrac is awesome... wish I could convince people to use it more
00:44:45Lars_Gtrac's interface is awesome. Installing and maintaining it server side is NOT awesome
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00:47:27bluebrotherI guess I'll some day find the time to understand trac. But not for today ;-)
00:48:19Lars_Gnah FS is very nice too
00:48:44 Quit ender` (" PHP is a minor evil perpetrated and created by incompetent amateurs, whereas Perl is a great and insidious evil, perpetrated)
00:48:48Lars_GI like FS's categorization system, and it's simpler to use than trac or bugtrack
00:49:06farbrormelonLars_G: Pratar du svenska?
00:49:27Lars_Gfarbrormelon: No. I'm latinamerican.
00:49:40Lars_Gfarbrormelon: I speak spanish, english and I'm learning 日本語
00:50:34farbrormelonLars is a swedish name =)
00:50:40Lars_GHai, I know
00:50:52Lars_Gbut i'm not swedish only my name is
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00:59:18PaulPositionBadger: ping?
01:01:08Lars_Gdon't ping a badger. they bite
01:01:30LloreanBagder might respond to a ping though.
01:01:34LloreanHe's a bit more amicable.
01:01:57PaulPosition..but not as much as amiconn :p
01:02:20PaulPosition(Nah, Daniel's amicable enough. ;) )
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01:04:57*Bagder looks around
01:05:17PaulPositionBadger: Just a quick question...
01:06:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:07:10Bagderis that a veeery long question you're working on now? ;-)
01:07:15PaulPositionBadger: Someone talked, few weeks ago, about building a survey sort of website whereby people could upload their .cfg files. Could maybe be used to set real sane defaults for stuff... I started working on a small php app but I won't have any room to host it..
01:07:21PaulPositionBadger: I write slowly in english.
01:07:43PaulPositionBadger: Do you think you could make some use of it when I finish it.. I mean, would it be worth sending it to you?
01:07:53Bagder(oh and I am Bagder, not Badger... :-P)
01:08:18LloreanWhich is why I pointed out that "Bagder" might respond to a ping. :-P
01:08:26LloreanWhich defaults aren't considered sane at this time?
01:08:39*PaulPosition hits himself on the head with a (frozen) trout. Hits harder, smells less.
01:09:07PaulPositionLlorean: Dunno.. I was just following someone's idea.. I guess 'sane' wasn't the right word.
01:09:10*Bagder gets 'badger' marked as well since it is such a frequent spell of his nick
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01:10:06LloreanPaulPosition: I'm not sure how much use having a bunch of people submit their configs will be for it though
01:10:10BagderPaulPosition: I think such a site might perhaps attract some users and even possibly be useful to some, but I don't see how it would help us work on the defaults nor do I feel any particular need for us (the official rockbox project) to host it
01:10:25LloreanA lot of people use various EQ presets, Crossfeed, Replaygain, etc, all of which are sound altering and should default to off
01:10:48Bagderbut now I really need to sleep
01:10:52LloreanIt's mostly just a default backlight setting, disk settings, max files in folder, and a couple others.
01:10:53dewdude_cfg repositories, good idea. do it on your own. the rockbox crew has enough to worry about.
01:11:23PaulPositionForget it, then.. I'm not into pushing stuff on people. :p
01:11:40linuxstbIt's not a repository, my idea was simply to have a survey of peopl'e's config files, and to publish the results. What we do with the results will depend on what they are...
01:11:51PaulPositionand cfg repository would be uberstupid, with all the defs, ifdefs and such..
01:11:58*dewdude_ shrugs
01:12:08Lloreanlinuxstb: Or a survey of what people have very specific settings set to.
01:12:08dewdude_a survey idea of people's configs is just as stupid
01:12:26Lars_Gdewdude_ is pretty raw
01:12:40LloreanI'm curious how many people have changed the max files in folder setting, for example.
01:13:17gotthardti changed mine - i have the top 500 rock hits
01:13:18Lars_GLlorean: I know the only change I'll do tonight (right now thanks for reminding me) is adding track numbers in tagnavi for the Artist tree
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01:14:05LloreanI changed mine because I haven't sorted the OCRemix torrent yet.
01:14:42LloreanBut other than that one folder, even 100 is more than enough for me.
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01:15:48*amiconn usually reduces 'max playlist size' on hd targets to 3000, and on flash targets to 1000
01:16:12amiconnI also reduce 'max files in dir' to 100 on flash targets. On hd targets I use the default
01:16:19Lars_GLlorean: How come fmt_title is defined twice?
01:16:42Lars_GLlorean: Are definitions considered to be a "push" and ussage to be a "pop"?
01:16:52Lloreanamiconn: I forget all about the playlist size, I should reduce that.
01:17:26LloreanLars_G: I have no clue where you're even talking about. :) I'm not a programmer on this project.
01:17:38Lars_Gadvanced user?
01:17:45Lars_GThe court jester?
01:17:49Llorean"Minor irritation"
01:17:51Lars_Gvalet parking!
01:17:56Lars_GAh ok.
01:18:08Lars_GI'm more like "itch in the middle of your back"
01:18:36Lars_GI begin small, and grow until all you want is to smash against a wall until i go away
01:18:41PaulPositionyeah right, and I'm the bublegum that sticks in your hair.
01:19:08Lars_GPaulPosition: That's quick, just get scissors
01:19:37Lars_GSo anyone familiar with tagnavi.conf? don't send me off to the wiki I'm in a social mood today :(
01:20:00Lloreantagnavi isn't well documented in the wiki anyway, I believe
01:20:12LloreanThere's a forum thread with a rather solid sample one somewhere.
01:20:33Lars_Gproblem is not the sample, it's just that the way it seems to be working by reading the file is... odd
01:20:39Lars_Gnot odd, just highly uncommon
01:21:04LloreanLars_G: I believe you should ask Slasheri about that then (unless my memory's broken again)
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01:22:37Lars_GWhat was the button to avoid the OF loading on conenction to pc?
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01:22:47LloreanOn iPods, Menu
01:23:27Lars_GLlorean: can i hug you?
01:23:36LloreanI think I'll pass. :-P
01:23:39Lars_GI never noticed the hold-menu quick settings
01:23:56LloreanA lot of people miss those
01:23:58Lars_Git's amazing! the three settings I change the most usually! without looking for them in settings!
01:24:01takeda`Bagder: Are you still there?
01:24:06*Lars_G weeps
01:24:10Lars_GI love rockbox
01:24:11Lars_Gso much
01:24:21Lars_Ggoddam I have $5 on my account I think I'll donate these now
01:24:48takeda`or anyone
01:24:57takeda`I have following error:
01:24:57takeda`/var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s: Assembler messages:
01:24:58takeda`/var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
01:24:58DBUGEnqueued KICK takeda`
01:24:58takeda`/var/tmp//cct26Dfs.s:41: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
01:25:01barrywardellwhat's the status of USB support in rockbox? is there any target that has a usb msc mode within rockbox?
01:25:33amiconnmsc mode?
01:25:43Lloreanamiconn: UMS for flash
01:25:51LloreanIt seems to be popular now to call it MSC
01:26:01amiconnIf you mean mass storage, yes
01:26:28barrywardellyes, mass storage
01:26:54LloreanApparently MSC is the official acronym, while UMS is just the popular one according to wikipedia
01:27:10barrywardelli think the usb spec calls it msc
01:27:27barrywardellanyway, which targets support it? and where is the relevant code?
01:27:44amiconnAll earlier rockbox targets (all archoses, iriver h100 series, h300, and x5) have mass storage support within rockbox, but it's handled in hardware
01:28:26Lars_GLlorean: De facto Standard vs. De Jure Standard
01:28:30amiconnThose targets have a dedicated usb-ata (or usb-mmc) bridge; rockbox just needs to flip some port bits and refrain from controlling ata itself
01:28:49barrywardellnot much use for portalplayer targets so :(
01:29:14amiconnThe pp targets (and afaik gigabeat as well) needs a device-side usb stack
01:29:26LloreanLars_G: Well, they're the same standards, just different names for it. So, De fact and De jure names.
01:29:27Lars_Gwhich is not done.. I guess?
01:29:30linuxstbI _think_ the gigabeat has a hardware bridge as well.
01:29:36Lars_GLlorean: you're right
01:29:51LloreanWell, the USB stack is also a step toward USB host as well, isn't it?
01:29:59Lars_GLlorean: Not necesarily
01:30:07barrywardellso just the pp targets are going to be hard work
01:30:19Lars_Gmany CPUs/ICs are phisically unable to act as host.
01:30:35LloreanLars_G: We have some that are physically capable though, I was referencing them specifically in this case. :)
01:30:44LloreanUSB Host in here pretty much refers to the H300 and the X5.
01:30:53Lars_GWhat arch are they based on?
01:31:02Lars_Gboth are 68k?
01:31:06LloreanThey're both in our Coldfire m68k, yes
01:31:14amiconnLlorean: As far as I understand what petur found out, the philips isp1362 is pretty special
01:31:22Lars_Gbecause on the arm side I've not seen an arm with a built in host mode in use yet
01:31:32Lloreanamiconn: Special?
01:31:42linuxstbThe PP502x have USB host hardware.
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01:31:48barrywardellthey have usbotg
01:31:56Lars_Gthen I stand corrected
01:32:03linuxstbbarrywardell: That's different?
01:32:26amiconnSpecial in that it provides much hardware support. Philips also provides an example programs whose code can be used freely
01:32:40amiconn...but is probably of very little use for different chips
01:32:55Lars_GQuestion, what happened to the varible file list possitioning patch? it has been long since it applies to cvs but afaik looking at the code the cvs doesn't has support for it, yet, right?
01:33:00barrywardelllinuxstb: there's a little more to it than just a host. there's also controlling whether it's in host or device mode, etc. it's almost the same though.
01:33:16barrywardellusbotg is an addition to usb2.0
01:33:37Lars_Gis there no open usb stack the team could grab and reuse out there? or is it more a matter of cpu specific configuring/calls than the stack itself?
01:33:45amiconnTwo usbotg devices can also negotiate which one will act as the host
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01:34:18Lars_Gamiconn: That would be wonderfull for coupling rockboxed devices on the go, even if it requires a special cable
01:34:43barrywardelldevice mode would be easier to do than otg though
01:35:02amiconnlinuxstb: Seems you're right when looking at firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/usb-meg-fx.c:usb_enable()
01:36:51amiconnLars_G: Linux has an open usb stack, but my guess is that adapting that is more work than implementing one from scratch, adapted to the way rockbox works
01:37:14Lars_Gamiconn: I would look at the other world I delve on. Embedded programming
01:37:37Lars_Gamiconn: For example, direct arm, avr and pic programming, specially arm and avr since there are gcc targets for them
01:38:03LloreanDoes ArchOpen or any of the other ones have a USB stack?
01:38:48barrywardellthe driver we have for the pp usb is for linux, so that makes using a linux like usb stack a nicer option...
01:39:59CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:39:59*scorche wonders why the KnowledgeMap page hasnt gotten any love
01:40:56barrywardelleveryone is too modest
01:41:01Lloreanscorche: Nobody wants to be pestered by "How do I play my music" questions if they fill in the playback bit, or "How do I make Doom work" if they do plugins
01:41:30Lars_GIf there was a "useless members" category, i'd jot myself in
01:41:45scorcheLlorean: well, it is to be used for development purposes...i doubt normal people would find it after i take it off the topic
01:42:09*scorche resigns to asking devs and filling it out himself
01:43:48safetydanSome of us just don't really have much to write in there :)
01:46:05linuxstbscorche: It wasn't clear to me if you were looking for lists of developers who have the knowledge (and various targets), or the knowledge itself?
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01:47:00LloreanList of developers.
01:47:11LloreanAt least, that's the impression I got.
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01:50:37linuxstbOn the subject of ignored wiki pages, there is a table in waiting for test results for the various targets to be filled in...
01:51:30scorchelinuxstb: knowledge in general
01:51:51scorcheof the code mainly, except for strong knowledge in the hardware section
01:52:25scorcheeg, you for ipods in general, dan_a for 3g, barrywardell for h10, amiconn for archos, etc
01:53:05*amiconn points out that he is not only an archos specialist
01:53:23*scorche points out that he didnt say you were....just as an example
01:53:23LloreanWell, that's why you should fill in the list. :-P
01:53:29Lars_GDon't worry we know you're incredibly smart in other areas.
01:53:33scorchewhich is why i wanted the devs themselves to fill it out
01:53:49scorcheLlorean: yeah ;)
01:53:52LloreanLars_G: If you want a problem solved, get amiconn interested enough in it. :-P
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01:54:20LloreanHe'll either fix it, or tell you why it makes the code too big. *grin*
01:54:53Lars_GYes I think it was amiconn who tried to bribe me with money to come up with a test to point out the source of the battery life on ipods
01:55:02Lars_Gbattery life [problems]
01:55:09LloreanSpeaking of that sort of thing, Shawn_K did actually post a .patch (sorta, it's in the forums) with other changes, but I haven't even glanced at it yet.
01:58:04linuxstbA .rar file at, couldn't be more inconvenient....
01:58:45LloreanI know...
01:58:58scorchehow many times must we mention the tracker?
01:59:13Aloneadoesn anyone one why rockbox would not work with a gigabeat with the original firmware? trying to help someone and seeing if anyone here has any ideas. We have checked and rechecked the bootloader. He even tried the one I have on my gigabeat and still no go. He also can't seem to update the the latest version of gigabeat. we are currently trying different countries.
01:59:15scorcheat least he made a patch though, so we are making some progress...
01:59:29*barrywardell downloads the elephants dream test videos
01:59:44scorcheAlonea: #gigabeat would be a better area for that
02:00:04hachiI'd put up money for rockbox on my ipod... I bought it just for that reason... only offer I've seen so far costs me an additional ipod and isn't guaranteed
02:00:09*Llorean wonders why the Gigabeat port keeps so separate like that.
02:00:10Aloneayeah, I was asking in there and no response. So I was seeing if anyone over here had an idea or two.
02:00:35CpuWhizcan i use the cvs/daily build for my ipod 5.5g (30GB) or should/do i use one of the unsupported builds in the forums
02:00:43Lloreanhachi: The simplest solution would be "Buy an older iPod" if you're willing to spend money on it.
02:00:44Lars_Ghachi: nano G2?
02:01:01LloreanCpuWhiz: Yes, the CVS build will work fine.
02:01:04hachi5.5 80GB
02:01:09Lars_GWhy is broadcom such a pita in general?
02:01:22*Lars_G sighs
02:01:54hachiLlorean: well... I wasn't intending to spend 1000 bucks on ipods, that's why I don't want to buy another
02:02:06Lloreanhachi: Sell the 80gb, buy a 60gb. :-P
02:02:17Lloreanhachi: Money isn't magically going to make the process any faster. It'll happen when it does
02:02:33LloreanIf you want it sooner, you should (or should've) buy an iPod that is supported. Otherwise, just have patience.
02:02:45Lars_GOr help with the code. :)
02:04:33hachiI'll have another go at building it myself... but last time I tried I couldn't even get the same errors that they speak of in the ports forum
02:04:55hachimy ipod would just dump into the 'recover' screen the moment I turned it on
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02:09:45CpuWhizLlorean: this one, right?
02:12:41LloreanI believe so.
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02:17:05CpuWhizit boots fast huh
02:17:46Lars_Git does
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02:17:57Lars_G2.5 seconds on my nano
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02:20:22CpuWhizso it's not going to pickup the songs from the iPod_Control folder?
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02:22:39dewdude_unless you browse it.
02:22:56LloreanOr use database
02:22:59CpuWhizi was asking because i didn't see the folder in the browser
02:23:17dewdude_yeah, because the hidden flag is enabled on it.
02:23:31dewdude_seeing as i have nothing in my ipod_control folder, i never bothered to figure out how to enable it
02:23:34CpuWhizah, the would do it huh
02:24:19webguest96Hi all, am using rockbox on ipod nano and it doesn't order the songs based on the track number meta tag. Is there a way to get it to do that?
02:24:43linuxstbView in database mode, or rename your files to include the track number at the start.
02:26:44CpuWhizsounds like i get to boot into windows to fix the hidden flag :(
02:27:07webguest96general settings -> file view?
02:27:15linuxstbCpuWhiz: Or change Rockbox to show all files.
02:27:24linuxstb(it's an option)
02:27:45linuxstbwebguest96: Yes, but you also need to initialise the database (followed by a shutdown and restart).
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02:29:38CpuWhizok, 2 more question, 1) how do i get back to the file browser while it's playing
02:29:43webguest96it doesn't seem to support flac metadata, the db view is empty
02:30:20Lars_GCpuWhiz: what device? iPod?
02:30:28Lars_GCpuWhiz: click "select" (middle button)
02:30:58hachiwebguest96: I don't really know about this, but perhaps OGG/FLAC would support metadata instead
02:31:04Lars_Git's $5
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02:31:16CpuWhizand my 2nd question, do i need another font for my japanese tags (and do you know of one i can use)
02:31:28Lloreanwebguest96: It's indexed my FLACs properly.
02:31:31Lars_GThere is a font that supports japanese, but I forget the name
02:31:46LloreanCpuWhiz: I think Unifont is the most comprehensive for unicode support
02:31:48Lars_Gif you find which one it is, let me know I want to change my whole ipod to japanese lang
02:31:56Lars_GAh yes unifont should work
02:33:28linuxstbhachi: Rockbox doesn't support Ogg/FLAC. But metadata in standard FLAC files works.
02:33:28Lars_GI wonder if I should port a smaller/"cuter" japanese capable font to rockbox
02:33:40linuxstbwebguest96: Is the metadata displayed in the WPS when you play your FLAC files?
02:33:53Lars_Gdoesn't support flac? o.O
02:34:05linuxstbIt doesn't support FLAC in the Ogg container.
02:34:16linuxstbIt supports native FLAC files - i.e. .flac
02:34:56Lars_GAhhh ok ok
02:35:10webguest96linuxstb: yes I see all of the meta info when playing just the order is wrong
02:36:11linuxstbIt sounds like you haven't initialised the database correctly. What did you do?
02:36:25CpuWhizit seems it froze, how do i reset it?
02:36:36linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT
02:38:20Aloneahey, does that work on the gigabeat too? I have had mine freeze before and I had no idea how to unfreeze it other than turn the battery switch off
02:38:34linuxstbIt's a hardware reset built into the ipods.
02:39:01linuxstbI guess the battery switch is the Gigabeat equivalent.
02:39:29CpuWhizwhere is the font setting
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02:40:48webguest96the reset seems to have worked, now the db view works. Thanks!
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02:43:04Aloneawell, before with the original firmware, all you had to do was hold down the power button and it would turn off.
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02:44:39linuxstbAlonea: Rockbox should have a normal shutdown button, I don't know what it is on the Gigabeat though (assuming it's been implemented).
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02:47:18AloneaI will ask around.
02:47:59CpuWhiznow i just need to find that script i made that fixes all the tags (via the xml file) itunes likes to forget to write to the file
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02:50:17Soapthere is an experimental itunesDB to rockbox DB program in the wiki. I can't speak to its current status.
02:50:55Aloneaah, well, I just hate having to reset the time so much. someone mentioned holding down menu and select to reset it, but thats for the ipod.
02:51:16Aloneaignore that...
02:51:59LloreanAlonea: Are you asking for a power off, or a reset. They're considered two very different things
02:52:01CpuWhizhow do i get back into the original firmware?
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02:53:44Aloneaoh, well, it kept freezing and I could not get it to power off/reset unless I used the battery switch. Used to, with the original firmware, you could still turn it off with the power button even if it froze
02:54:22d4ftdoes rockbox have any sort of "podcast sorting" like the default ipod firmware
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02:56:51linuxstbbarrywardell: Were those mpegplayer results with the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch?
02:57:26d4fti use amarok and love the integration of podcasts
02:58:03linuxstbNo-one has implemented anything specific to podcasts into Rockbox.
03:00:01d4ftthanks, maybe sometime i might even try to right a plugin
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03:00:32d4fthow hard you think that might be?
03:00:43linuxstbWhat exactly do you want Rockbox to do?
03:00:48LloreanIt seems like it'd serve better as a function of Database.
03:00:58webguest36i have no idea what im doing.. but i need a gigabeat bootloader. what should i do?
03:01:21LloreanAll you'd have to do is get bookmarking working on Database, add a "Mark when finished" option to database, and then have a category that is Genre == Podcast and "Mark when finished" in your tagnavi.
03:01:36Lloreanwebguest36: Wait until one is made available.
03:01:54d4ftorganize podcasts according to date or without having to manually edit playlists and stuff
03:02:01webguest36or otherwise make my own?
03:02:16linuxstbd4ft: Rockbox has a sort-by-file-date option already.
03:02:17debauched_slothd4ft, I'm interested in helping with this
03:02:17webguest36cus dang i dont think i could manage that
03:02:34Aloneai am hosting one...
03:02:53linuxstbOr the simpliest option would just be to name the podcasts with the date at the start - e.g. 2007-01-02-mypodcast.mp3
03:03:33d4ftbut that is alot of work compared to the apple podcasting features
03:03:38webguest36..........anyone by anychange use a gigabeat?
03:04:13AloneaI was hosting it for someone else who needed one, but its still up. I dont remember where I originally got the gigabeat bootloader but it works. Is it ok if I post the link here?
03:04:32webguest36as long as it works
03:04:34linuxstbd4ft: As Llorean says, it's probably best done with the database. But that's assuming your podcasts contain good metadata.
03:05:05Lloreanlinuxstb: I don't really know the full features of Apple's method, but I think that'd actually about cover it, as far as I'm aware.
03:05:12d4ftwith amarok or itunes there are features that allow you to update and sync and organize regardless of the lazziness
03:05:55webguest36its notepad with a bunch of squares
03:05:55Aloneaits my private page my cable company gave me. I use it to upload files to people
03:06:15Aloneaoh, what browser you using? you gotta save the actual file.
03:06:16Lloreand4ft: Those features are host-side, though
03:06:20linuxstbdf4t: What I don't think Rockbox should do is to try and integrate with proprietory software like itunes. It's a never-ending battle to maintain compatibility. With some thought, I'm sure a solution can be found though.
03:06:24webguest36aol.. lol. i saved it
03:06:26Lloreand4ft: And would have absolutely nothing to do with Rockbox.
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03:07:12webguest36alonea: well i opened it.. incase its something crazy.. hah
03:07:15d4fti used to have a zen micro and try to listen to podcasts with it. but was really crappy compared to the ipod firmware
03:07:18LloreanRockbox would just need to store whether or not a file has been finished in its database, and whether or not it's marked as a "Podcast" (or audiobook, or other programs to do this with) (don't even need to require genre) and then any syncing program can have its own related function
03:07:32LloreanFor example erasing, and replacing, any files that are marked as "Finished" with the Podcast flag
03:07:47d4ftand i dont like appple
03:07:53Aloneayeah, it will look like garbled text in notepad. tis fun to stare at in confusion. and this is the file directly off my gigabeat that I am using right at this moment
03:08:51d4ftmaybe rockbox could integrate with something like amarok or anything open source
03:08:54webguest36your possitive?
03:09:05webguest36with one s
03:09:26Lloreand4ft: Or Amarok could integrate with Rockbox
03:09:37LloreanRockbox already has its own database format.
03:09:45LloreanIt's the choice of host-side software whether it'll support it or not
03:09:47Aloneawebguest36: yes. its perfectly fine. It works. and you are supposed to back up your original bootloader anyway.
03:10:21d4ftor maybe there could be a "podcast" folder where apps like bashpodder, juice could sync with
03:10:49Lloreand4ft: What do you even *mean* by that?
03:11:01LloreanYou also keep referring to ipod-specific apps
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03:11:17d4ftand it would tell you if you have already listened to the episode
03:11:30Lloreand4ft: Did you read what I said regarding Database?
03:11:38webguest36alonea: what original bootloader.. the rock box program? *sighs* im terrible at this
03:11:40linuxstbd4ft: You could start a wiki page with ideas about how to implement podcast support in Rockbox.
03:11:58Lloreanwebguest36: Did you read the install instructions?
03:11:59linuxstbI expect the main issue is integrating with PC-side software.
03:12:08webguest36haha yea
03:12:08Lloreanwebguest36:the official ones, in the manual
03:12:28Lloreanwebguest36: Because it tells you *exactly* which file to backup
03:12:52d4ftno, amarok supports several different mp3 players including iriver ift and the creative nomad
03:12:58Aloneawebguest36: Ok, in the instructions, it tells you to rename the original bootloader your gigabeat came with, as in toshiba's bootloader, to fwimg01.dat.orig or something similar
03:13:12d4ftAND generic audio players
03:13:15Lloreand4ft: Then Amarok can choose to support the Rockbox database. If THEY want to.
03:13:22Aloneawebguest36: the bootloader I gave you is for loading rockbox
03:13:40webguest36wait which do i do.. rename the original or get a new one?
03:13:40LloreanThe only way Rockbox could support Amarok is if it started mimicing some other database format that Amarok already knows
03:13:48LloreanAnd if Amarok supports Generic MP3 player, then it already supports Rockbox.
03:13:56webguest36oh. both..
03:13:59linuxstb"Rockbox" is people as well as software...
03:14:02webguest36i see where it sayts to rename
03:14:10Aloneawebguest36: you rename the one that came with your gigabeat
03:14:32linuxstbThe Rockbox community (users and devs) need to talk to the Amarok community. But I agree it would probably need Amarok devs to do the work.
03:14:41linuxstb^would need to
03:14:52Aloneawebguest36: the file I gave you will not be renamed
03:15:07webguest36alonea: and then i move the rename one (it says)... do i still need another?
03:15:29webguest36or the one you gave me can be in addition to the original, unnamed
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03:15:54d4ftit does support rockbox but it would be great if it had thepodcast integration
03:16:35linuxstbWhich would probably need a change to Rockbox, and a change to Amarok...
03:16:43Aloneawebguest36: You will have 2 files. the original that has been renamed so it doesn't load and you still have it as a backup, and the file I gave you.
03:17:00LloreanAnd I think the change to Rockbox would mostly be the ones I listed regarding a Podcast flag and a "Finished" flag in the database.
03:17:11d4ftmaybe small details with rockbox and a few changes in amarok and this would be very possible
03:17:17LloreanI *think* that those two flags would be the minimum required for pretty solid podcast support
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03:18:26webguest36private chat? this is confusing
03:19:00d4fto ya, and maybe feed organization
03:19:08barrywardelllinuxstb: yes. with kernel_on_cop_6. they're a bit disappointing
03:19:48d4ftdo most rockbox users use linux also
03:20:11linuxstbbarrywardell: What do you get for test_fps?
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03:20:42Lloreand4ft: Isn't Feed Organization host side again?
03:21:18d4ftyes, very true, my bad
03:21:31barrywardelllinuxstb: last time i checked, I got the values in the LcdFrameRate wiki page
03:21:35barrywardelli'll test again now...
03:21:38LloreanRemember that Rockbox, the software, is *just* on the MP3 player, and has nothing to do with what happens on the PC
03:21:41d4ftmy bad is stupid to say actually
03:21:52d4ftwell duh
03:22:03d4ftits "my bad"
03:22:05linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes, I've just found them - 40.5fps on the H10, compared to 48.5fps on the ipod Color.
03:22:35Lloreand4ft: You should really look into what tagnavi can do, and then figure out which key features it's missing that would be needed for proper sorting of Podcasts. Then, once you've got that, file a feature request.
03:23:00Lloreand4ft: After you've done that, contact Amarok through whatever path they have for feature requests, and try to convince them to add support for the Rockbox database format
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03:23:31linuxstbbarrywardell: Maybe the lcd_yuv_blit() for the H10 doesn't include the optimisations that have been applied to the ipod version.
03:23:53jadedlilalie2k7I have a question on how to install a WPC theme for my 5.5G iPod
03:24:30barrywardelllinuxstb: lcd_yuv_blit() hasn't changed since the first version you gave me iirc
03:25:26linuxstbSomeone (I forget who) wrote a few patches optimising it on the ipod. I can't remember if the H10 version was from before or after those patches though.
03:25:51linuxstbSeems your LCD driver could also benefit from a boost...
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03:28:49Aloneawebguest36: did you get my pm?
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03:29:54barrywardelllinuxstb: the h10 version came after those patches
03:30:41linuxstbI'm just testing the 160x128 version on my ipod Color, and it's around 34fps...
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03:33:15barrywardelllinuxstb: test_fps results are the same now as in the wiki
03:35:27linuxstbIt's odd that mpegplayer is slower than the test_fps differences would indicate though.
03:35:57Alexincis there a rockbox ipod channel?
03:36:25linuxstbThis seems to be it most of the time...
03:36:37linuxstbBut no, there are no target-specific channels.
03:36:56Alexincthere is for gigabeat :]
03:38:02linuxstbNot officially.
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03:41:28barrywardellthe ipod lcd drive does it's lcd_update a little differently than the h10 driver
03:42:17barrywardellthe h10 driver only uses the base lcd address. the ipod driver uses other undocumented addresses
03:42:37*barrywardell adds lcd experiments to his todo list
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04:03:03drapgigabeatf10good evening, I have questions about gigabeat f10...can anyone help? :)
04:03:47linuxstbBest to ask your question, and wait to see if anyone can answer.
04:03:58drapgigabeatf10sounds like a plan...
04:04:31drapgigabeatf10I've read the instructions and I think it's wise to save my current original configuration before I change the bootloader...I can get to the core, but can't find the original .dat image..
04:04:47drapgigabeatf10in the instructions, there's a note that says it might be " doubly " hidden
04:04:52drapgigabeatf10that's the part I don't get.. .
04:05:46drapgigabeatf10( accessing from a Windows box, btw... )
04:05:48LloreanWhat instructions are you following?
04:06:30drapgigabeatf10from the rockbox's website as well as its own forums..
04:07:18drapgigabeatf10to be more precise :
04:07:43LloreanTry following the manual
04:08:16drapgigabeatf10The manual itself doesn't mention anything about the bootloader, as far as I can see, unfortunately...
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04:08:42LloreanOh, it's in the manual, but I guess that's not until the next daily build
04:08:55LloreanAnyway, the file is on your drive, but it's hidden so you have to type in the path manual
04:09:20LloreanJust type X:\GBSYSTEM\FWIMG into Explorer, where X is your gigabeat's drive
04:09:35drapgigabeatf10right, and that should give me access to the folder itself right away?
04:09:39drapgigabeatf10hmm, let's see!
04:10:39drapgigabeatf10it actually says path incorrect, etc..
04:11:53LloreanWindows doesn't say "Path incorrect" when a folder isn't there...
04:12:14drapgigabeatf10no it doesn't, I was merely summing it for you
04:12:38drapgigabeatf10cannot find file: ///g:/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG
04:12:49drapgigabeatf10Make sure the path or internet address is correct
04:12:52drapgigabeatf10is what it says
04:13:12LloreanAnd there's no visible GBSYSTEM folder on your G: drive when you've got it set to show hidden files and not hide system files (check both of these settings)
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04:13:25drapgigabeatf10I can se GBSYSTEM
04:13:38drapgigabeatf10but not the FWIMG folder...
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04:15:29jbawhat gigiabeat do you have?
04:15:45jbawhat's inside the gbsystem folder
04:16:21drapgigabeatf10DATADLT3.DAT - DATATS3.DAT - DNODE3.DAT
04:16:29drapgigabeatf10only those 3 files..
04:18:45drapgigabeatf10actually, typo on the second one, it's DATALST3.DAT
04:18:54drapgigabeatf10but i'm sure that doesn't change much
04:19:07jbadude you need to make it show hiddne operating system files
04:19:17drapgigabeatf10I checked :)
04:19:19jbacause if you don't have the fwimg folder there is no way your rockbox would boot
04:19:40drapgigabeatf10it actually doesn't boot
04:19:51drapgigabeatf10i'm trying to save and backup my original config
04:19:54lavidquick question: should the script be run with root perms?
04:19:56drapgigabeatf10before I install rockbox
04:20:06Lloreandrapgigabeatf10: You can't install Rockbox without getting to that folder anwyay.
04:20:23linuxstblavid: It depends where you install the compilers - it needs to run with permission to write to the install directory.
04:20:48drapgigabeatf10do you guys think that IE7 would block certain accesses to files for something like this? I just thought of that.
04:21:14lavidlinuxstb: well, any particular reason NOT to run it with root perms I guess should be my question
04:21:18LloreanYou're browsing your device in IE7?!
04:21:47linuxstblavid: That's up to you :) But all it does is download the gcc/binutils source, run configure, make and then make install.
04:21:51drapgigabeatf10well IE is built in Windows, and the core of it uses the browser, even if you go through " my computer, etc.. "
04:22:23linuxstblavid: But there is also no disadvantage to installing the compilers somewhere in your home directory - I use $HOME/RB/
04:22:38linuxstbIn which case, you don't need to run the script as root.
04:22:49lavidlinuxstb: thanks. that answers the question
04:22:50jbadrapgigabeatf10, a copy of the original firmware is stored in the gigabeat room installation folder
04:23:05Lloreandrapgigabeatf10: Have you *just* done "show hidden files" or have you also *definitely* told it not to hide system files?
04:23:39LloreanTry this. In GBSYSTEM, try to create a folder named FWIMG.
04:24:13drapgigabeatf10llorean I can assure you that there's no setting to hide any file, trust me on that.. :)
04:24:20drapgigabeatf10lemme try to create a folder.
04:24:53drapgigabeatf10I was able to create the folder
04:25:32LloreanYou should see if you can catch someone in #Gigabeat then, and tell them your FWIMG folder was missing.
04:25:48drapgigabeatf10i'll see what I can do
04:26:02LloreanFor some reason they hang out in there instead of here, which somewhat splits the ability to support that target.
04:26:05drapgigabeatf10jba you think I should flash it with the original firmware and give it a go again?
04:27:03jbaLlorean, we hang out in both, and it was mainly because we have a large signal ratio
04:27:12jbawhich would turn into a large noise level in here
04:27:33jbaand that was mainly while the target was in development
04:27:54drapgigabeatf10jba I copied files from gigabeat room to folder.. that worked, and the file is greyed out, just like if it was a hidden folder showing..
04:27:57drapgigabeatf10i'll go with that
04:27:59drapgigabeatf10thank you
04:28:01drapgigabeatf10very much
04:28:02scorchei dont see why we need a #gigabeat channel anymore
04:28:02LloreanMaybe #Gigabeat should be retired now that it's in CVS then, so that we don't end up with the same split we had in the forums.
04:28:04drapgigabeatf10evening gents
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04:28:36jbai'm sure the gigbeat guys won't mind, it's just that we doo get lots of chatter in there
04:28:41LloreanThe problem with multiple locations, especially target specific ones, is that people think that there are major differences between the targets, as opposed to understanding that it's really mostly one software that just runs on various hardwares.
04:28:48jbaas long as the rest of the rockbox guys don't mind?
04:29:02scorchejba: it is fine....we will control it here
04:29:13LloreanIdeally, if there's a lot of non-Rockbox chatter, it should stay there.
04:29:26LloreanBut anyone interested in Rockbox, or supporting Rockbox, should focus their attentions in this channel to solidify it all.
04:29:29jbawell someone officially from #rockbox should pop into #gigabeat and ask all the guys to move on over
04:29:41scorchei am already in there
04:29:45jbanah it's mostly gigabeat hardware chatter
04:29:55jbascorche, i was hinting towards that ;)(
04:30:02scorchejba: who is the owner...markun?
04:30:14jbamarkun is in france atm
04:30:32jbahe was the owner, but is away for a while, next in charge i think is wibbix, or maybe shonbky?
04:30:42jbabut most active devs atm seem to be sloth and gotthardt
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04:36:31debauched_slothGigabeat has a very fun rescue mode
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04:37:31soaahere i am~
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04:38:09jbaenter gigabeat dev's stage right
04:38:20*Llorean applauds.
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04:38:48hotwire_i feel like a sheep
04:39:03jbaand i would be the colly
04:39:07jbawoof woof
04:39:18rkostynuhi all
04:39:38vadimdebauched_sloth, what cvs do you do your commits to? @rockbox or your private?
04:39:45jbatoffe, vadim and wibbix don't seem to be awale atm
04:39:53jbaspeak of the devil
04:40:00vadimjba: what?
04:40:08rkostynugigabeat owner, new to the group, programmer by trade, setting up my environment to learn exactly whats going on inside
04:40:14debauched_slothpublic cvs
04:40:34gotthardtwelcome rkostynu
04:40:54rkostynubeen reading lots in the last few days, love the port, kudos to markun and others, very nice job
04:41:48LloreanWelcome Gigabeaters. Man, we need a better name for you guys.
04:42:11scorchegigabeatees? ;)
04:42:48debauched_slothtonight, more like gigabeaten ;)
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04:43:06triplahi ripped a cd to ogg last night
04:43:09triplahi'm listening to it on rockbox now
04:43:11triplahon my nano
04:43:17triplahthere is clicking sometimes
04:43:26triplahi havent tested them on my machine at home yet though
04:43:40triplahhow does the nano handle decoding ogg?
04:45:20Lloreantriplah: I've never had decoding issue on my nano, I'd suggest checking it on a computer. Assuming you don't have peakmeters, which can cause audio playback problems in nearly any format
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04:47:47Lloreantriplah: They're on the WPS, go up and down with the music.
04:48:38triplahahh right
04:48:42triplahno i dont then
04:48:52triplahthanks for the help. i'll check on my box at home
04:48:54LloreanEqualizer, and Crossfeed, can also affect playback
04:49:06triplahi'm going to try and hack banshee to play nice with rockbox too
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05:01:06hotwire_Llorean, GigabeatFXPort has been updated in the wiki.
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05:02:36Lloreanhotwire_: Thank you.
05:02:58LloreanThere is now a Toshiba installation forum in our forums.
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05:04:52debauched_sloththanks, Llorean
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05:05:39LloreanRemember, our forums are very strict. Always read the "Posting in this forum" post for the section you're in before posting. ;)
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05:07:22drap_gigabeatf10hello back
05:07:42drap_gigabeatf10jba, llorean it works :)
05:08:35Alexincdrap, i got a f10 also :]
05:09:02drap_gigabeatf10cool alexinc, do you have the possibility of watching videos on it with rockbox?
05:09:18drap_gigabeatf10that's my next step, since I got the main thing going
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05:10:29votetrevhey guys
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05:10:45Alexincbut it only plays a few minutes of low quality
05:10:54votetrevanyone familiar with the 5.5g ipod video?
05:10:58Alexinccause what it does is fill your ram with the first like 25mb of bideo
05:11:04Alexincthen it crashes when it runs out
05:11:12Alexincthey still havnt done the rebuffering code
05:11:12drap_gigabeatf10alexinc, does sound work in sync with video
05:11:24Alexincvote, i am kind of
05:11:32Alexincya, you jsut turn the options on in the mpg player
05:11:40Alexinctheres 2 options havign to do with frams
05:11:57drap_gigabeatf10ok.. so I guess now we wait for geniuses to work the ram over and get the next built eh? lol put a different theme on rockbox on that model?
05:12:54Alexinci use the beatmp_girl
05:13:02Alexinco wait
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05:13:18Alexincyou mean the 5.5, its my friends that i do all the work on, ya we use a diffrent theme on it
05:13:20votetrevok...i put on a different theme and the id3 type stuff such as artist and album etc, that stuff wont show up
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05:13:33Alexinclet me test this with the latest build
05:13:35Alexincone second
05:14:11votetrevdamn im so thankful there is someone in here to help me :) i been tryin for a day i knew there would be people :)
05:15:55Alexincmy id3 stuff seems to be working
05:16:06Alexincare you using the database, and what theme you using?
05:16:14Alexincill try the theme your using
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05:18:19debauched_slothGB people, I have just committed a patch that seems to solve the track switch/speedup issue here
05:18:44debauched_slothIf you could test it out on your GB's, with your tracks, I'd appreciate it
05:18:45Alexincsweet, thanks, whens it going into the cvs?
05:18:59debauched_slothit's building now - done in 5
05:19:00Alexinci cant build so if you can upload the build somewhere :]
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05:19:11Shawn_Khey all
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05:19:13Shawn_Khow goes it
05:19:16debauched_slothwill be here:
05:19:23debauched_slothif this doesn't work, I will back down one more level tomorrow
05:20:13Shawn_KI have a hankering question...if this doesn't exist, it needs to be made....a CPU time recorder for rockbox
05:20:31Shawn_Kanyone know if there is the ability to measure CPU time?
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05:20:41Alexinctell me when the build is done
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05:21:09Shawn_Khe just left, lol
05:21:24Shawn_Khe's back
05:21:27Shawn_Ktell him now
05:21:33debauched_slothmissed it though
05:21:36Shawn_K<Alexinc> tell me when the build is done
05:22:24safetydanShawn_K, there is (or was) some profiling code already in rockbox if that's what you're looking for.
05:23:34Shawn_Kwhere can I find this? will the wiki mention it?
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05:24:01Shawn_Kactually, I have no idea what keywords to search, got any direction for me?
05:24:58LloreanShawn_K: See the TECH doc apparently, in the source.
05:24:58safetydanAh, seems I'm possibly remembering incorrectly.
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05:25:33Lloreansafetydan: I believe there's profiling included now.
05:25:42debauched_slothbuild is complete, GB people
05:25:53hhehwsup all
05:26:08hhehwwill rock box work on Creative Zen Vision: W Black 60GB
05:26:31Lloreanhhehw: Do you see "Creative Zen Vision" listed in the supported targets on the site?
05:26:37debauched_sloththank you, if this still fails, I back waaay down and we try again
05:26:56hhehwno i dont but someone told me that it dose just want to make sure is that so worrg ?
05:27:12safetydanLlorean, ah, the one place I wouldn't have thought to look. The documentation.
05:27:16Lloreanhhehw: It does not. The list on the site is accurate.
05:27:24hhehwthank you
05:27:29hhehwvery much
05:27:33Lloreansafetydan: Not only "the documentation" but the actual stuff we send out with the source even, not just the wiki "documentation"
05:27:52LloreanThe last place anyone would ever look for anything other than the GPL
05:28:01safetydanpretty much
05:28:12safetydanyou just grepped the source for "profiler" didn't you? :)
05:28:20LloreanI actually found it by googling "Rockbox profiling" and seeing it in the mailing list.
05:29:08lostlogicI believe profiling needs some TLC −− haven't seen anyone reporting useful results with it lately.
05:29:19Lloreanlostlogic: Have people been reporting results with it?
05:29:26lostlogicand no, I'm not gonna be loving it up any time soon.
05:29:35lostlogicLlorean: well I was right after I created it :-D
05:29:55LloreanI noticed that you were the one who said to look in the TECH document on the list.
05:30:03safetydanweird, "rockbox profiler" and "rockbox profiling" return totally different results in google
05:30:14Shawn_KI mainly said that because I have no idea how much CPU the "main" thread hogs
05:30:28lostlogicapproximately none.
05:30:54Shawn_Kisn't all the drawing done on the main thread?
05:31:33lostlogicwps thread?
05:31:42Shawn_Koh, lol
05:32:10Lloreanlostlogic: I think he's talking about in the menus as well, since he made mention of scrolling earlier.
05:32:30Shawn_KThat is, but isn't menu rendering done on the main thread?
05:32:53votetrevalexinc...still there? sorry my lil kid was gettin into something and had to go get him :)
05:32:55Shawn_KHonestly, I thought WPS and menu was on dif thread
05:33:06Shawn_Kok, it is so then ^^
05:33:31Alexincya, im here
05:33:37Alexincwhat was the theme your using
05:33:40votetrevoh sweet
05:33:44Alexincand are you using the latest cvs build?
05:33:48votetrevlet me look quick
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05:33:52lostlogicnow I'm less sure
05:33:52Shawn_Keh, I don't have a wps thread listed
05:33:55lostlogic*goes to code*
05:34:00Shawn_Kis it running in background?
05:34:05votetrevim using the cvs build from like this morning at 1AM so new enough i think?
05:34:15Alexincnew enough
05:34:46votetrevthats the theme
05:35:08Shawn_Khmmm, why is my audio thread using CPU when I'm not playing music?
05:35:21Shawn_KIs it just a general system audio?
05:35:22Alexincill try it
05:35:24Alexincone sec
05:35:44votetrevand it seems MAYBE im having other problems to related to if i try themes on the regular skin its all the same pretty much....but still some of the graphics on the buttons are like...distorted/miscolored
05:36:38lostlogicShawn_K: the audio thread should be idle if you aren't playing
05:36:42lostlogicit is the thread that manages compressed audio
05:36:52votetrevsorry when i said regular skin i meant regular foxbox theme
05:36:55votetrevand the ones it comes with
05:36:55Shawn_KIt's not though
05:37:07lostlogicand I must appologize, main is where the wps is drawn, I was mistaken
05:37:25Shawn_Kok, so main does use some CPU
05:37:28Alexincvotetrex is your ipod a 30gb one?
05:37:30Shawn_Kquestion much?
05:37:35votetrevyeh 30gb
05:37:43Shawn_Ki want to try to balance all out between CPU and COP
05:37:43votetrev5.5 generation
05:38:11lostlogicShawn_K: for what purpose? mpegplayer or just audio playback?
05:38:28Shawn_Klostlogic: speed and eifficiency
05:38:35LloreanDuring audio playback, the audio thread itself needs more than the base speed, meanwhile when audio isn't playing the UI can run just fine at base speed.
05:38:35lostlogicduring what operation?
05:38:44lostlogicLlorean: codec thread
05:38:55lostlogicLlorean: audio thread is file buffer and only needs CPU when filling buffer
05:38:58Lloreanlostlogic: I was in the middle of typing my correction to myself. :)
05:39:02votetrevi thought i had done something wrong so numerous times i restored it in itunes and then completely redid the "mod"....everytime giving me the same results...
05:39:28lostlogicShawn_K: the codec thread uses at least 90% of all cpu cycles when playing music so it's codec on one core everything else on another.
05:39:31LloreanIf you have one thread >30, and sum of all others <30, it's pretty clear that thread needs to live on its own
05:39:41lostlogicShawn_K: until / unless we split the DSP or some other operations out of the codec thread
05:39:53votetrevand to answer your question earlier...i use databases....i have rockbox auto grab it every restart with my cache enabled so it can check for deleted files also...
05:40:06Shawn_Klostlogic: I moved the scroll into the COP and it seems to have helped
05:40:18triplahwhat arch are the nanos?
05:40:22votetrevand it pulls the database from the music i threw on my ipod...using umm xplay
05:40:23lostlogicShawn_K: scroll on cop with codec as well?
05:40:31Shawn_Klostlogic: yes
05:40:45Alexincvotetrev: it dosnt seem to be showing up on here either
05:40:50Alexincid say that the theme is broken
05:40:56LloreanShawn_K: Are you sure the scroll thread does what you think it does?
05:40:57votetrevok goodddd :)
05:41:01votetrevlol makes me a little happier
05:41:05Shawn_KI also had the backlight on COP, then it didn't go off....I later realized too many variables were linked to share the ram
05:41:20Alexinctry escapepod and tell me if it works
05:41:24votetrevwhat theme did u say u use? or do u have somewhere u get your themes from you could hook me up with?
05:41:27safetydanScroll thread is just for scrolling text horizontally isn't it?
05:41:28LloreanShawn_K: Because on the iRivers, the thread named "scroll" in the OS Stacks screen refers to the one that handles text scrolling in WPS, I believe.
05:41:34Shawn_KLlorean: It manages menus, doesn't it?
05:41:36lostlogicShawn_K: are you running codec on cop my way where it pretty much doesn't yield?
05:41:37Lloreansafetydan: I'm almost certain, yes.
05:41:49lostlogicShawn_K: scroll is the thread that moves text back and forth when it doesn't fit on the screen.
05:41:54Alexinc i use escapepod
05:42:02lostlogicer yeah, which is what Llorean said
05:42:16Alexinci switched back and the id3 tags are showing again
05:42:34Shawn_KI was pretty sure I went into the /firmware/arm/ipod for the scroll
05:42:44votetrevok lemme grab it and check it out quick
05:42:49Shawn_KI was tired maybe not
05:42:59safetydanscroll thread will do the same thing regardless of target
05:43:03Shawn_KI should dbl-check what I write when I'm tired
05:43:11lostlogicShawn_K: one possible reason that moving more threads to the cop would help your performance is that scheduling overhead is getting in your way, in which case we need to have a careful look at all the threads we're running and whether or not we need them.
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05:43:42lostlogicShawn_K: do you run with or without priority scheduling? I run without, because I don't feel that the extra scheduling overhead is justified
05:44:14lostlogic(anyone want to write an O(1) priority scheduler for rockbox based loosely on the linux kernel one?)
05:44:16Shawn_Klostlogic: I believe I have it on, how do I turn it off?
05:44:28lostlogicShawn_K: undefine HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING in the appropriate header file
05:44:44Shawn_Klostlogic: this is my third day working w/ rockbox, lol
05:44:52lostlogicShawn_K: I can tell −− read lots of code.
05:44:55Shawn_Kand I've had very little time
05:45:17votetrevalexing: escape pod or escape pod aa
05:45:28Alexincescape pod
05:45:58lavidsome help here... I just installed Rockbox on my Sansa e260 and upon booting it gives me "Loading Rockbox..." "Rockbox error: -1"
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05:46:51Lloreanlavid: That means you didn't extract to it
05:47:09lavidLlorean: thanks... I'm a winner ;)
05:47:38Shawn_Klostlogic & Llorean: lmao, it was the wrong scrolling code
05:47:41Shawn_KI just looked
05:47:44Shawn_Kanyways, I g2g
05:47:48Shawn_Kc ya guys later ^^
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05:48:55lostlogichmm... maybe O(1) priority scheduling isn't possible with cooperative multitasking.
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05:53:40votetrevshit i did a complete reinstall of the newest build from scratch to be safe....then installed the theme....but now it has to rebuild my database so itll be a few minutes
05:53:48votetrevit looks like its working so far though...??? :):)
05:54:12votetrevu know of any other themes that have worked for ya?
05:54:21Alexincmost of the other ones
05:54:31Alexincjust every once in awhile theres a broken theme
05:54:58votetrevok that i have one working (hopefully) i will at least know it works...that way i can go experiment through and try what i like
05:55:32Alexinctrue dat
05:55:52votetrevhave do you have your ipod setup? with the bootloader from rockbox and just dual boot between that and the regular apple ok
05:56:22Alexincregular for video
05:56:34votetrevyeh same here as long as i get rockbox workin :)
05:56:49votetrevdo u use the database in rockbox?
05:56:58Alexincmainly use rockbox for games :]
05:57:11votetrevok sweet
05:57:20votetrevu ever messed with gettin ipl on it?
05:58:12Alexincna, like i said before this isnt my ipod
05:58:25Alexincmy friend gives me money to do all the techincal work for him
05:58:29scorchetake this to PMs please....this channel is about rockbox
05:58:43votetrevsorry bad
05:59:07votetrevalexinc...u added any extra games in rockbox?
05:59:14votetrevlike pacman or doom?
05:59:23Alexincjust gameboy games
05:59:38votetrevyeah? can u do it with like nes?
05:59:47Alexincnot ported yet
05:59:51votetrevshit that would probly be way to hard though huh
05:59:57votetreveven trying to play them
06:00:21votetrevdamn it takes a long time to load the database huh
06:00:26Alexinci dont know how well games play on the ipod, i have a gigabeat myself that i play GB and GBC games on
06:00:46votetrevoh sweet
06:00:50votetrevdoes rockbox run on that then to?
06:01:29Alexincand its more powerful than the ipods :]
06:01:39Alexincso iv been playing around with ports for nes
06:01:44Alexincnothing succsesful yet though
06:01:50votetrevthats sweet
06:02:07votetrevi wasnt sure if i wanted to go with the ipod but i got one for xmas right before i was gonna buy one so i was still quite happy
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06:55:53SouLja^can someone help me with a problem i have?
06:58:21TheCollectorask away
06:58:24Mouser_XOnly if you tell us what that problem is.
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07:04:30Alexinci dont think soulja likes you guys...
07:06:08Mouser_XIf he's like me, he's timed out...
07:06:23*Mouser_X needs to figure out how to fix the poor connection...
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07:08:26Alexincsorry, ill keep on topic
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07:09:15SouLja^lol sry
07:09:19SouLja^i was trying to get it fixed myself
07:09:22SouLja^but i suck
07:09:36SouLja^i got owned :(
07:09:37Mouser_XWe noticed. (j/k)
07:10:00SouLja^i tried installing rockbox on my gigabeat
07:10:08SouLja^toshiba gigabeat f40
07:10:10SouLja^and when it came to the bootloader
07:10:16Mouser_XI'll be getting one of those soon...
07:10:32SouLja^i added a .dat to the bootloader cause i tried before and it wouldnt work
07:10:42SouLja^wellthen after turning the battery off it finalyl worked
07:10:51SouLja^but then the .dat made the file unreadable to the system
07:11:05SouLja^now when i turn on my gigabeat i get a screen saying
07:12:38Mouser_XIt looks like those who are most familiar with the Gigabeat aren't online right now.
07:12:48Mouser_XOr, they're not at their computer.
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07:13:48Mouser_XAll I know, is that there's currently no "official build" of the bootloader. At least, there wasn't last I saw.
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07:14:03Alexincim familor
07:14:03Mouser_XIn other words, if my understanding is correct, you need to build it yourself.
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07:14:22Alexincdid you replace the bootloader?
07:14:34SouLja^no i used the one off the site
07:14:48Alexincdid you extract the .rockbox file to it?
07:14:57SouLja^the main problem is
07:14:58SouLja^i can fix it
07:15:04SouLja^but when i plug in my gigabeat into my computer
07:15:10SouLja^windows doesnt recognize it
07:15:51Alexinci dont remember the trick but theres a trick that you can like unplug yourharddrive then turn on your gigabeat or somethign then plug it in and it works
07:15:56Alexincbut dont follow those steps
07:16:02Alexinccause i never knew it
07:16:15SouLja^so then what should i do?
07:16:16Alexincgo to #gigabeat and ask the question, you should get an answer in a few hours
07:16:21SouLja^oh ok
07:16:24SouLja^i'll try that
07:17:02SouLja^if i change the extension you think it will work?
07:17:09SouLja^i mean
07:17:15SouLja^it was already a .dat file
07:17:20SouLja^and i added .dat after it
07:17:23LloreanDon't go to #Gigabeat
07:17:44LloreanThis is the Rockbox on Gigabeat channel now, and that channel is supposed to be closing down.
07:18:00SouLja^then what should i do?
07:18:02LloreanSouLja^: What *exactly* did you do, your statements are fairly vague.
07:18:47SouLja^i installed all the gigabeat files properly
07:18:54SouLja^the bootloader
07:19:02SouLja^i used the bootloader off the site
07:19:14SouLja^but i renamed there is NO bootloader
07:19:27SouLja^for the gigabeat to turn on
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07:20:02SouLja^the original is still there
07:20:06SouLja^and so is the one for rockbox
07:20:14SouLja^i added a .dat to the rockbox bootloader..
07:20:41SouLja^good enough?
07:20:55LloreanSo, you didn't follow the instructions explicitly, okay.
07:21:08LloreanUnfortunately, I don't know the recovery mode for the Gigabeat.
07:21:30LloreanI *believe* it involves plugging in USB while the battery is disconnected, as someone else said, but I'm not certain
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07:22:07SouLja^Yeah, i messed up on that one part
07:22:17SouLja^so if i were to do that method, go into the directory
07:22:21SouLja^and change the filename
07:22:22SouLja^will it work?
07:22:49LloreanMake sure the files are named exactly as the official instructions say they should be.
07:22:51Alexincthats why i said to ask in the gigabeat channel
07:22:58Alexincits a gigabeat specific question
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07:23:06SouLja^its only that one file thats renamed
07:23:19LloreanYes. After you rename it, you put the one you download in the place of it.
07:23:23Alexincand that isnt a recovery mode ;]
07:23:24LloreanAs the instructions say.
07:23:31Alexincthat dosnt do anything
07:24:02scorcheAlexinc: we have told you many times what we are doing....stop making it an issue
07:24:04SouLja^ looks like im going to have to open up my gigabeat
07:24:18LloreanAlexinc: It's also a Rockbox install question. The #Gigabeat channel existed for development discussion since they felt it would flood this channel, it was unnecessary but they did it. #Gigabeat is closing to recenter Rockbox discussion.
07:24:42Mouser_XAnd, like I said, I think that's a good idea.
07:24:45Mouser_XIt makes sense.
07:24:50Alexincbut still, he cant get onto his gigabeat in the first place
07:25:08LloreanAlexinc: Yes, and it's because he installed Rockbox improperly
07:25:08SouLja^ wont recognize it when i plug it in
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07:25:19SouLja^windows wont recognize it as a drive
07:25:23SouLja^when i plug it in
07:25:23LloreanAlexinc: If the gigabeat Rockboxers were in here, they'd be able to answer his question.
07:25:34Alexincyep, and they arnt
07:25:40LloreanAlexinc: Look at #Gigabeat's topic.
07:25:57scorchethey arent in #gigabeat either....they are in here...just not active
07:26:23LloreanIf they aren't, it's because they either haven't bothered to read it, or are just being obstinate like you.
07:26:27Alexincand if he asks ther and leaves it then a afk rockboxer will be able to see it at a later time and answer it cause its not a failry active channel
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07:26:37Alexincbut in here it will most likely be spammed off
07:26:51Alexincjust proving my point
07:26:51Mouser_XPeople answer questions in here all the time.
07:26:51LloreanAlexinc: Or he could post it in the Installation support forums where there's a guarantee it won't vanish
07:26:59Mouser_XAlso, I read the logs.
07:27:04Mouser_XLike many people do.
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07:27:18SouLja^ok so..what should i do about my problem?
07:27:18LloreanAlexinc: You've "proved" nothing. :)
07:27:20SouLja^open it up?
07:27:28SouLja^and do the "trick"
07:27:34LloreanSouLja^: Wait until someone who actually owns a gigabeat and knows the answer can help you.
07:27:48LloreanIt's really a bad idea to not follow the instructions exactly.
07:27:52Mouser_XI think you can unseat the battery without opening anything.
07:27:59SouLja^how would i do that?
07:28:05SouLja^lol i was turning it on and off and on and off
07:28:12SouLja^but it wouldnt load up rockbox
07:28:13Mouser_XI think there's a switch on the bottom.
07:28:16SouLja^so i assumed i had to add a .dat
07:28:22SouLja^i added that
07:28:31SouLja^then read that i had to turn the battery on and off
07:28:35SouLja^i did that...then this problem came up
07:28:36scorcheit has something to do with the harddrive as well...but wait for a person familiar with the gigabeat to tell you the whole procedure
07:29:08LloreanSouLja^: So, you didn't follow the instructions at all...
07:29:22Mouser_XOnce you've unseated the battery, then try plugging the Gigabeat into your PC through USB (without reseating the battery) and see what happens. Please note, this is purely speculation, as I have no Gigabeat (yet).
07:29:55SouLja^actually Llorean, that instruction was on a totally different page on the rockbox site
07:29:59SouLja^i had to go searching around for it
07:30:56LloreanSouLja^: The instructions on tell you EXACTLY where to put the .dat file.
07:31:01LloreanYou said you put it in the rockbox folder.
07:31:02SouLja^OMG LOL! MOUSER X
07:31:16SouLja^OMFG LOL!
07:31:26Mouser_XSo, what happened?
07:31:30SouLja^now i can chhange the file
07:31:32SouLja^lemme try that
07:31:38scorcheless caps and swearing please...
07:31:54Alexinclol, you where using the dock
07:31:59Alexincrockbox dosnt support the dock
07:32:02SouLja^yes i was using the dock
07:32:04SouLja^omg lol...
07:32:07Mouser_XYes, English, please... I don't know what happened.
07:32:10SouLja^TRYING NOW
07:32:20SouLja^IT WORKS
07:32:21scorcheAlexinc: laughing at people doesnt help
07:32:44SouLja^weird though
07:32:48SouLja^the font on it is real small...
07:33:01Mouser_XYou can change the font, and the theme.
07:33:12Mouser_XThough, you might need to install more fonts.
07:33:19Mouser_X(I don't have the link for that)
07:33:30LloreanMouser_X: The fonts are just at the daily build page
07:33:57Mouser_XNot having a portable player yet, I've done very little browsing on the site.
07:35:05votetrevalexinc....u there?
07:35:50Mouser_XProbably. Give him a minute.
07:35:55Mouser_XOr more...
07:36:03votetrevanyone in here familiar with rockbox on a 5.5g video ipod? got a pretty simple question
07:36:28scorchevotetrev: then ask it
07:36:28votetrevok thanks mouser :)
07:37:28votetrevwell i loaded up rockbox on my ipod and had it working but was having problems with the theme correctly i think i got it but it is taking a TREMENDOUS amount of time to load the database it is pulling from itunes
07:38:01votetrevi was wonderding if anyone could give me approximate time on how long it can take to load its database
07:38:58votetrevWhenever i go in to play music it says.....database is not ready
07:39:12scorchehave you initialized it?
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07:40:05TFGBDJust an interesting PDA/PMP/"GPS"
07:40:16TFGBDGotta love how it says "built-in GPS" when its a CF card ;P
07:40:23votetrevthought so...but im trying again incase i happened to forget...i have been going through reinstalls over and over :)
07:40:33votetrevhow long should i expect it to take if i have say 20 gigz on it?
07:40:43scorchenot that long
07:41:02votetrevsay....10 minutes?
07:41:03TFGBDIt would be nice to have a Windows CE version of Rockbox to run on that thing.. No? :P
07:41:34scorchego into Info > Debug Menu > Tagcache Info and tell me what it says
07:41:37LloreanRockbox is a firmware.
07:41:47Alexincvotetrev, have you tried rebooting?
07:41:50LloreanThere's low likelihood of a Windows CE version of it happening.
07:41:50scorcheTFGBD: ah...i was trying to remember why your name looked familiar...
07:41:54votetrevyes ive tried rebooting
07:42:14TFGBDHaha. :P
07:42:16TFGBDYeah, I know.
07:42:25votetrevok scorche here goes....initialized: yes
07:42:37votetrevdb ready: no
07:42:37TFGBDBut it should be possible considering it was ported to Win32?
07:42:37votetrevram cache: no
07:42:41votetrevram 0/0 B
07:42:59votetrevprogress: -1% (1594 entries)
07:43:01TFGBDWell.. There are also the CE based PMCs too.
07:43:04votetrevcommit step: 0
07:43:04LloreanTFGBD: A lot of things are possible. Someone who wants it has to be the one to do it. Right now, you're the only person on Earth known to want Rockbox on CE.
07:43:07votetrevcommit delayed: yes
07:43:26scorcheTFGBD: it wasnt ported to Win32....that is just a simulator
07:43:35TFGBDSame difference. ;P
07:43:40scorchenot really
07:43:41TFGBDI'm talking the simulator on CE.
07:44:13TFGBDSounds like it would be good enough for most and no additional computing functionality would be lost.
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07:44:27TFGBDI'm sure there are more than me... I don't really want it as I do not even listed to music...
07:44:32TFGBDI guess I want it for others. :P
07:44:36*TFGBD is crazy, I suppose.
07:44:50votetrevscorche: did any of that help u?
07:45:11TFGBDWould you be interested in the response I get at various Windows CE and CE related device forums I know of?
07:46:03LloreanIt doesn't matter how many people want it.
07:46:10LloreanIt matters whether the people who want it go and do it.
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07:46:28Slasherivotetrev: you should try to reboot it again, if disk is no longer active. And cleanly reboot it
07:46:45Slasheridon't reset it
07:46:49*Llorean is apparently not getting a Gigabeat today.
07:47:04TFGBDWas it to be A CE based Gigabeat? :)
07:47:14LloreanIt was to be a Rockbox based Gigabeat.
07:47:22votetrevso cleanly reboot it you mean.....hold menu and the select button down till it reboots?
07:47:28Alexincyou can get windows ce on gigabeat/
07:47:33scorchehold the play/pause button
07:47:35TFGBDYeah, I know. Perhaps the folks that could do it just never thought of it/were not aware of the sim..
07:47:36LloreanAlexinc: Later Gigabeats (S) run CE.
07:47:38scorcheAlexinc: gigabeat S
07:47:41Slasherivotetrev: no, that is reset
07:47:57TFGBDJust the runnign Windows Mobile for Portable Media Center, I supposed..
07:48:00LloreanTFGBD: Then go talk to them in the CE forums, and tell people interested in DEVELOPING it to come here. But don't send a bunch of people to pester us into doing it.
07:48:09TFGBDOh, I would not.
07:48:50TFGBDIf someone were to, would be be happy?
07:49:12TFGBDyou folks*
07:49:25Mouser_XI think Rockbox running on the Gigabeat S, in any form, would be neato.
07:49:33LloreanRockbox is designed as a firmware, but as long as the changes didn't hamper its ability to be that, I doubt anyone would mine too much if a port of the sim were made for CE.
07:49:37TFGBDOr the Zune?
07:49:42Mouser_XAs such, I say invite CE people here, to port the thing.
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07:49:47TFGBDAnd on Creative Zen portable Media Center, etc?
07:50:00LloreanTFGBD: You don't need to list several CE targets, we get the point
07:50:08TFGBDYes, I CE. ;P
07:50:14LloreanYes, and it's getting annoying.
07:50:18TFGBDAnd the various other No name PMCs and PMPs and PNAs and PDA and HPCs!
07:50:33Mouser_X<scorche> we are quite happy that rockbox continues to grow =)
07:50:35LloreanLeave your evangelism behind, this is #Rockbox and it's for the discussion of Rockbox things.
07:50:36TFGBDAnd TVs and HD-DVD Players and POS terminals!
07:50:39TFGBDAnd THin clients!
07:50:44LloreanRockbox is a firmware, so its goal will to ALWAYS be to replace the existing firmware.
07:50:44TFGBDOk...enough. :P
07:50:55LloreanThe ultimate goal is NOT to exist alongside CE, but to replace it on which players it can.
07:50:56Mouser_XThat being the case, I think we wouldn't mind if it got ported, in some way or another, to other players.
07:50:58votetrevoh it says committing database...but then it said error commiting playlist....or something similar to that
07:51:02TFGBDBut that would blow.
07:51:07TFGBDIt would limit the device.
07:51:10SouLja^1 problem though...
07:51:13SouLja^all the songs i added
07:51:17votetrevhowever songs show up now :)
07:51:18SouLja^dont show up LOL
07:51:25SouLja^songs dont show up for me though LOL!
07:51:42LloreanSouLja^: We got it the first time you said it. How did you "add" them?
07:51:43Mouser_XSouLja^: Could you be more specific?
07:51:44Slasherivotetrev: i would recommend deleting .rockbox and installing it again
07:51:57SouLja^i added them through gigabeatroom
07:52:10SouLja^well before when i would go to my music the songs would show
07:52:11scorcheTFGBD: Rockbox is a firmware...not a program
07:52:15SouLja^now that i go there with roxbox
07:52:15Slasherivotetrev: and skanning the filesystem for errors. It might be in unknown state if you have often reseted the device
07:52:19SouLja^none of the songs are there
07:52:22votetrevslasher: even if the songs show up now:
07:52:24TFGBDIts a program on Win32 and Linux
07:52:32LloreanSouLja^: Rockbox is a filetree browser. Do you know what folder they're in?
07:52:36votetrevok...yeh i do the reset sometimes to get to the apple os to watch my movies
07:52:38Slasheriif it works fine, then do nothing
07:52:42scorchethat isnt Rockbox...that is a SIMULATOR....for the last tim
07:52:44LloreanTFGBD: The simulator is a program. The core project is a firmware.
07:52:51TFGBDTHen a Hacked CE firmware with Rockbox would seem just as much like a "firmware" I suppose...
07:52:59LloreanNo, it wouldn't
07:53:08TFGBDTo the untrained eye.
07:53:12SouLja^they are in the "my music" folder
07:53:17*scorche gives up
07:53:51Mouser_XSouLja^: Your music files are in the "My Music" folder on your Gigabeat?
07:53:51LloreanTFGBD: Look, quit evangelizing CE. Port the simulator, or don't. But Rockbox itself will ALWAYS have the goal of being a firmware, not an application on top of another firmware. That's why it's different from iPodLinux.
07:53:52TFGBDBut of course it would be silly to limit it to just a firmware replacement for CE and be much more useful if it could run on CE systems that are open to 3rd party software...
07:54:02SouLja^yes mouser, they are
07:54:07TFGBDI understand that. I'm not questioning that.
07:54:11LloreanYes, you are.
07:54:20LloreanThat's why you just called the goal of replacing CE stupid.
07:54:27LloreanOr rather "silly"
07:54:28TFGBDWell...not stupid...
07:54:29votetrevso guys....if i want to switch over to the apple os...what is the safest way? or do i have to do a reset
07:54:38Mouser_XSouLja^: And when you browse to them with Rockbox, you can't see them?
07:54:39scorchevotetrev: see the FAQ
07:54:42TFGBDIt would make me cry to see CE die. :/
07:54:48thegeekoh sod off
07:54:51thegeekCE sucks
07:54:53thegeekrockbox rocks
07:54:55LloreanTFGBD: Rockbox is for people who want a streamlined music device without unnecessary OS overhead.
07:55:03TFGBDBut it does not support Video.
07:55:08scorchethegeek: we dont need to turn this into more of a flame war
07:55:11scorcheyes it does
07:55:11SouLja^no mouser i cannot see them
07:55:16LloreanTFGBD: Rockbox implemented properly will get better battery life and performance than Rockbox +CE overhead.
07:55:22LloreanRockbox does in fact support video.
07:55:26thegeekscorche: imho he's already on fire
07:55:28TFGBDSure...but then... NO OPERA!
07:55:30thegeek;P least dual booting..
07:55:40thegeekjesus christ;)
07:55:47LloreanAnd Rockbox always tries to allow dual booting
07:55:53scorcheTFGBD: stop it this point you are looking very much like a troll
07:56:04thegeeka big ugly one too
07:56:07Mouser_XSouLja^: Can you see the music files in Window's browser (if you're using Windows, in Explorer)?
07:56:15TFGBDOk. Sorry..
07:56:15SouLja^yes i can
07:56:23TFGBDI'm jsut bored and feel like talking of CE...
07:56:30scorchethen do it somewhere else
07:56:34Mouser_XSouLja^: What are the file properties on some of your music?
07:56:35scorchewhere it is in-topic
07:56:41SouLja^umm k lemme get
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07:56:49votetrevummmm how do u start up an ipod?
07:56:59scorchevotetrev: press menu or select
07:57:07votetrevwont fuckin start all of a sudden
07:57:17scorche2nd warning on the language
07:57:29votetrevoh sorry! didnt see the first warning either btw
07:57:36votetrevi apologize bigtime
07:57:49lavidwhat file defines how the Sansa's LCD gets written? What is the source file?
07:58:38SouLja^ok the file properties are
07:58:43SouLja^the filename firstly of course
07:58:49SouLja^type of file: SAT file
07:58:56SouLja^opens with GBroom.exe
07:59:01Mouser_XAh, that's most likely your problem.
07:59:03SouLja^location n:/my music
07:59:05Mouser_XThey're SAT files.
07:59:10SouLja^blah blah blah
07:59:20SouLja^attributes only archive is checked
07:59:26Mouser_XI'm pretty sure that Rockbox can't play SAT files.
07:59:36scorcheit cant
07:59:38SouLja^OHHHH yes it cant
07:59:41SouLja^but when uadd files
07:59:44SouLja^with Gigabeat room
07:59:45votetrevman rockbox rocks ice :)
07:59:47SouLja^they're all .sat
08:00:08scorchewith rockbox, you dont have to use gigabeat room
08:00:09Mouser_XSomeone said there's a way to revert them back to MP3, but as far as I saw, they didn't say how.
08:00:29Mouser_XIn other words, they're stuck as SAT for now.
08:00:32SouLja^oohhh..well i ahve all the files and i know where they are
08:00:40SouLja^if i wanted to add them again
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08:00:47Mouser_XYou'll probably have to put them on the Gigabeat again.
08:00:51SouLja^oh ok
08:00:52qwmscorche: shut the fuck up. he's not a troll.
08:00:53SouLja^thats not much of a problem
08:01:15scorcheqwm: i thought you were banned =P
08:01:19Mouser_Xqwm: You missed the discussion, and shouldn't be swearing at scorche.
08:01:20qwmnew ip.
08:01:33SouLja^Guys I can't thank you enough for your help, the ipod skin looks real nice btw lol
08:01:36Mouser_X(Or anyone, for that matter.)
08:01:43qwmMouser_X: there are public logs you know.
08:01:49qwmupdated every friggin' second.
08:01:58qwmi'm the worst kind of lurker.
08:02:00Mouser_XI forgot about those.
08:02:03Mouser_XI never check them.
08:02:13qwmand i don't shave my balls as well as Bagder does.
08:02:33Mouser_XThe fact that you shave them at all is a little disturbing.
08:02:49Mouser_XThough, not as disturbing as the fact that you somehow seem to know that badger shaves his... on that though...
08:03:16TFGBDMethinks I should leave...
08:03:23Mouser_XDo you help each other do it, or something?
08:03:25qwmMouser_X: are you from the 1940s?
08:03:35scorcheMouser_X: must you lurk on the topic?
08:03:44*bagawk puts up a sign saying "do not feed the trolls"
08:03:48*Mouser_X shuts up.
08:03:59*TFGBD slaps bagawk around a bit with a large trout
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08:04:27qwmTFGBD_AWZ: the lake called, they're running out of large trouts!
08:04:42qwmonly medium and small sized left, for your slapping pleasure.
08:05:23bagawkqwm: Please, go find somewherer to spew crap, no one really cares to see it here
08:06:05qwmyou cocksucking whore.
08:06:59lavidwhat file defines how the Sansa's LCD gets written? What is the source file?
08:07:12SouLja^What would happen if i tried to add a video file larger than 25 mb
08:07:16SouLja^and attempt to play it
08:07:35Mouser_XIt would only play as far as that bit of the file was loaded into RAM.
08:07:48SouLja^so basically
08:07:52SouLja^impossible to play more than 25 mb?
08:07:55Mouser_XOnce it reached the end of the buffer, it crashes.
08:07:58bagawkqwm: what? where are you getting this?
08:08:11SouLja^so dont even try right
08:08:16Mouser_XYou can.
08:08:21SouLja^but no poit
08:08:26Mouser_XI don't know how bad the crash is.
08:08:29Lloreanlavid: firmware\target\arm\sandisk\sansa-e200\lcd-e200.c I'd guess
08:08:30SouLja^im not going to test it
08:08:35SouLja^btw i got the music working
08:08:42lavidLlorean: thanks
08:08:44Mouser_XI don't think it's so bad that it forces a restart, but I'm not sure.
08:08:51SouLja^the battery life is pretty bad though
08:08:52qwmbagawk: IrcNicks? stupid.
08:09:30Mouser_XSouLja^: Hmmm? I've heard the opposite. The battery life (when not using the equalizer) is at least 10 hours.
08:09:35Mouser_XAt least, that's what I heard.
08:09:41Mouser_XI suppose it might have changed.
08:09:49bagawkqwm: that name is not listed there
08:10:05SouLja^Well, im using a toshiba gigabeat which is supposed to have a 16 hour battery life
08:10:10SouLja^and it went down pretty fast
08:10:12votetrevIf you have rockbox setup EXACTLY how you like it....what should be backed up so that you can restore it incase you would need to restore your ipod
08:10:16SouLja^we'llhave to see
08:10:25qwmbagawk: "bagawk (formely dstar5) Lee Pilgrim"
08:10:52lavidLlorean: when you load rockbox on your e2x0, do you see like a row or 2 of jumbled display on the top?
08:11:10qwmbagawk: forgotten about your trolling in #vegan?
08:11:15qwmyou and that s0cks
08:11:22Lloreanlavid: Not last time I did it, it's been a week at least since I did it though
08:11:25Mouser_XSouLja^: I've heard that the way they're checking the battery level is unreliable. It drops quickly, then sits at the same level for hours.
08:11:42Lloreanvotetrev: Just have it write a config file, and make sure to backup your themes.
08:12:01bagawkqwm: never trolled sir.
08:12:02lavidLlorean: I'm thinking the offset is "off" a little
08:12:05votetrevok thanks llorean :)
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08:12:13Lloreanlavid: It wasn't for me, previously.
08:12:27Lloreanbagawk: Just put him on ignore. Please stop directing comments at him.
08:12:41votetrevif i found a theme i realllllly like...but the font is to small....can i change that?
08:12:58SouLja^hmm im trying to load a 21 mb video and its taking forever to buffer..
08:13:08qwmbagawk: "ok"
08:13:34Lloreanvotetrev: Yes, but you may have to adjust the theme itself to handle the larger font.
08:13:46LloreanSouLja^: The mpeg player is not entirely reliable yet
08:13:54votetrevllorean: is that fairly easy?
08:14:51Lloreanvotetrev: Depends on what you think "hard" is.
08:15:02LloreanI'd consider it exceptionally easy, but you may disagree.
08:16:00SouLja^well its been buffering for a good 4 mins
08:16:12SouLja^im gonna assume that its frozen and it wont work
08:16:18LloreanSouLja^: It's not gonna work then, probably
08:16:28SouLja^agh cant even power off
08:16:34SouLja^now the question
08:16:45SouLja^wait or turn the battery on and off?
08:16:54LloreanBattery, probably
08:17:44SouLja^lol...i turned the battery off and its still on
08:17:50SouLja^time to let the battery run out?
08:17:59qwmbagawk: why did you steal midkay's settings saving code?
08:18:03Mouser_XIs it plugged into the USB, or something?
08:18:04SouLja^cause the charger was in
08:18:22Mouser_XI thought it might be something like that.
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08:20:19SouLja^what type of vidoes does it support?
08:20:45Mouser_XYes, MPG is all right now. Also, it has to be 44khz audio.
08:20:48Mouser_X(I think)
08:21:11Lloreanmpeg-1 and mpeg-2 video with MP3 audio at 44khz
08:21:16Mouser_XAnd I'm also pretty sure it has to be the resolution of your screen.
08:21:53SouLja^ok got it :)
08:21:57SouLja^gotta remember that
08:22:57LloreanMouser_X: Nah.
08:23:06LloreanIt can be smaller, but the dimensions have to be a multiple of 16
08:23:47Mouser_XI'll keep that in mind, myself, for future referance (I may want to watch some episodes of Ducktales, when it supports rebuffering).
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08:25:01qwmbagawk: you're guilty of grand theft code. :(
08:25:10qwmand please, talk here instead of query.
08:25:27qwmyou're too low to deserve your own window.
08:25:45qwmbtw, do you shave your butt? i prefer smooth butts over hairy ones.
08:26:22votetrevllorean: is it just a simple editing of a file?
08:26:33LloreanSee the CustomWPS wiki page
08:26:37votetrevok awesome
08:26:44votetrevyou guys are a great help in here. thanks!!!
08:27:18Mouser_XGlad to help, where I'm able.
08:27:27Mouser_X(If I helped at all, that is.)
08:28:25votetrevif i have playlists on the appleos side....will rockbox's database builder also pull those playlists over?
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08:29:01Mouser_XIf you use the right one, I think it does...
08:29:03Mouser_XI'm not sure.
08:29:09Mouser_XAnd I don't have a link on hand.
08:29:58votetrevok...thats fine :)
08:30:08votetrevi can always test it out right :)
08:30:12Lloreanvotetrev: The database builder JUST finds songs.
08:30:15qwmbagawk: be a man and answer me.
08:30:31Lloreanvotetrev: There is a patch that can add a feature to scan for playlists, though
08:30:36qwmMouser_X votetrev Llorean
08:30:39qwmcan you guys shut up?
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08:30:41votetrevoh sweeeet!!!!
08:30:43qwmwe're in the middle of something here.
08:30:50qwmpraise the lord.
08:30:50votetrevwho the hell is this qwm guy?
08:30:52Kick(#rockbox qwm :can i answer you in his place?) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche
08:31:16votetrevllorean: happen to have a link ot that patch? And what exactly involves in "patching"
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08:31:38Lloreanvotetrev: Patching is probably "not easy" you have to be able to compile
08:31:42LloreanThe patch is also probably out of date
08:31:49LloreanSo you'll need to do some basic C to get it running again
08:32:18votetrevjust building it in as using gcc?
08:32:30votetrevor on a linux end anyways
08:33:00votetrevyeh i dont know C very well just very very basic...
08:33:23votetrevprobably not a good idea for me to try to get to deep :) probably easiest just to make them right inside of rockbox?
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08:33:39qwmdon't know what got into me!
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08:34:12Lloreanvotetrev: Yeah, Rockbox works fine for creating your own
08:34:25votetrevarite sweet.....ill just have to take a little time to make some :)
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08:34:38LloreanRockbox also works fine with .m3u and .m3u8 playlists
08:34:54LloreanSo if you point Winamp or Foobar at the songs on your player, you can save those playlists to be usable by Rockbox
08:34:57Mouser_XThat's very handy.
08:35:16votetrev.m3u playlists are what i use
08:35:19Mouser_XI'll definatly be using that feature.
08:35:38SouLja^OMG Thanks so much guys for the video
08:35:40SouLja^i got it working
08:35:43SouLja^it cut off half way though
08:35:44votetrevwhats foobar?
08:35:48SouLja^im guessing since it was too large
08:35:57SouLja^Im probably going to have to split the videos
08:35:58Mouser_XIt's a media player.
08:36:01SouLja^into parts
08:36:16LloreanSouLja^: Just wait for the plugin to be finished.
08:36:56Mouser_XI use Winamp, but I've dabbled in foobar2k a little. I liked Winamp a lot more. Basically, to me, foobar2k seems to be a media player for developers, and Winamp seems to be a media player for users.
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08:38:01nugefoobar takes forever to get setup the way you want, but then it's pretty nice
08:38:06nugebut still, takes too long
08:38:09nugewinamp just works. :)
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08:39:41Mouser_XAs for Rockbox, I haven't tried it yet. Hopefully it's as userfriendly (or, close) as Winamp is...
08:39:51LloreanEither way, Foobar/Winamp merits are off topic. :-P
08:40:08Mouser_X(I tried to talk about Rockbox in my last sentance...)
08:40:27LloreanRockbox is probably going to be "Too much to set up" for you then.
08:40:41Mouser_XI'll get help with it.
08:40:44LloreanIt's a very sparse, text-based interface with a lot of options.
08:40:47LloreanWe do have a full manual though
08:41:09Mouser_XChances are I'll break something before I read the manual...
08:41:26Mouser_XThough, once that happens, I'll probably check the manual...
08:41:35LloreanI'm still amazed nobody has yet bricked their player by willingly not reading the directions.
08:41:47LloreanPeople have tried, really hard though, fortunately always on hardware that's nearly impossible to brick.
08:42:18Mouser_XWell, my PC is still up and running, so that's a good sign (I wouldn't say I'm very nice to the thing).
08:42:37Mouser_XIn other words, chances are that if I break it, I'll at least be able to figure out how to unbreak it...
08:42:49Mouser_XOr, get it semi-working again.
08:43:29votetrevwith doom...once i get a wad
08:43:33votetrevwhere exactly do i place it?
08:44:13Mouser_XThat's been asked before. I *think* it goes in the root... Or, in the ".rockbox" directory.
08:44:30Mouser_XThough, that's going off of memory. I don't actually know.
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08:45:14votetrevi thought i read somewhere F:/games/doom
08:45:18votetrevbut i wasnt sure
08:45:23Mouser_Xcould be.
08:45:26votetrevF: being whatever your ipod is
08:45:28Mouser_XI don't know.
08:45:33votetrevima check it out now...
08:45:33Llorean /games/doom, yes
08:45:34Mouser_X:P Sorry.
08:45:39votetrevi just gotta see what this is like on the ipod
08:45:41Lloreanvotetrev: Please, read the manual.
08:45:46LloreanMany of these things are covered in it
08:46:00votetrevok sorry :)
08:46:08votetrevi just like to confirm i understand right
08:47:03lamedhello everyone
08:47:14Mouser_XTake note: I added plenty of disclaimers informing you that my information (for Doom, at least) was not reliable.
08:47:23Mouser_XSorry I was wrong.
08:47:38Mouser_XHowdy lamed.
08:51:04lamedI'm trying to figure out why players that I connect to my h340 won't go into usb mode: I just find out that the usbotg female part does not carry the 5 volts throught the pins. I am using the Korean version. do you think that there was some hardware made different between the US and international players - as this could not be a software issue.
08:52:29*Mouser_X fails to see how this is Rockbox related...
08:52:49Mouser_XUnless, the h340 port has USB hosting stuff/support.
08:53:18Mouser_XEither way though, I have no ideas/answers for you.
08:55:26votetrevok....installing in /.rockbox/games/doom putting in the required wod then the freedoom doom2.wad it says that there is no wad files
08:55:39lamedmouser_x: one can easily assume someone would know if there was any hardware differences between those versions.
08:56:57Lloreanlamed: Actually, my understanding was only the US version of the hardware didn't provide power to the USBOTG port
08:56:59votetrevnm got it :)
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09:00:00lamedLlorean: and since I have no way of telling what version am i having, I guess I am really having the us ver. do you happend to know if it is a hardware limitation?
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09:00:22LloreanYes, it is.
09:01:41Alexincis anyone up to making a option that can flip the display sideways for us gigabeat users?
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09:03:11lamedahhhm. so rb supporting usbotg wouldn't help me on that matter. :/ 10x liorean for the help.
09:03:48LloreanI do believe you can fix it, though, if you're up for hardware mods.
09:03:57LloreanThere was talk of it at misticriver, don't ask me where though, I saw it ages ago
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09:07:37vadimvotetrev, wrong dir, please read carefully
09:09:37UpsioneDhello, i ve got a recorderv1 with my new 160go, i created a 127go partiton and a 25 second but this one is empty from rockbow and windows says some erors from copy
09:10:38scorcheyou have to connect the drive into the computer directly
09:11:44UpsioneDI created two partition without archos
09:12:20tychveris there any way to set mencoder to create multiple smaller files?
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09:12:26takeda`any developer here?
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09:12:37scorcheUpsioneD: you have to load the files that way too
09:13:13scorcheon the last partition at least
09:13:56UpsioneDThere is some file on, copy with archos will never work?
09:14:21UpsioneDcopy on rockboc, sorry.
09:14:23scorcheon the last partition, it wont
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09:15:04scorcheit is a hardware issue where it cannot address the higher sectors
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09:15:54UpsioneDallright thank you
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09:22:15lamedLlorean: 10x
09:22:26lamedcya all... i'm going kiteboarding!
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09:23:03vadimhmm, I can confirm thar gigabeat built from today's cvs randomply speeds up song may x1.5
09:23:37vadimand some noises appears too
09:24:26Lloreanvadim: "Today's CVS" or "The most recent CVS"?
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09:25:51vadimyes, the head
09:26:22vadimi mean I did cvs up and compile
09:28:08LloreanJust making sure, as I think a recentish gigabeat change was supposed to affect that, and so a compile from "Today" might not have included that depending on what time today it was made
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09:29:47vadimjust updated again, no changes. So i'm "current" at the moment
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09:31:02gotthardtdo you still get a speedup with new build?
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09:42:06vadimgotthardt, my last update was may be a week ago so it is the first time today when i experienced speedup. Another notice: I did not experienced it with flac but quite often with mp3.
09:42:13RedZZRHi to the #gigabeat crew :)
09:42:34gotthardtis that from the latest ?
09:42:47gotthardtsloth thought he fixed it
09:42:48vadimstill no consistency. it played mp3 for couple hours, and then almost every song speeds up in the middle
09:43:01gotthardtok - he will want to know
09:43:35vadimyes, i recall talks about speedup but experience it for the first time
09:44:06gotthardtdoes it sound like the same song just faster?
09:46:43UpsioneDDo all the file i copy with no rockbox way will appear wheras windows wrote when I plug my archox?
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09:59:42vadimgotthardt, yes, the song is playing correct but faster
09:59:51gotthardtok - thasks
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10:37:21fleytin I would like to recompile my rockbox with low latency mode for the sound setting menu while playing disabled. Where shall I comment it out?
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10:44:31bluebrotherlow latency mode? Never heared of that
10:44:58safetydanbluebrother, the pcm buffer can be switched to a low latency so mode so that things like equalizer settings changes are audible sooner
10:45:30bluebrotherah. But "while playing disabled"?
10:45:57safetydannot sure about that bit
10:46:03safetydanfleytin, look for calls to pcmbuf_set_low_latency
10:46:35fleytin I am a blind user and just want my sound setting menu spoken while playing.
10:47:10safetydanfleytin, try commenting out lines 809 and 816 of apps/sound_menu.c
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10:47:46fleytinsafetydan: Thanks! I'll give it a shot!
10:48:25safetydanfleytin, no worries, just be aware that changes made to sound settings while playing will take a little while to be audible
10:48:44safetydanthough volume and other hardware based settings will be instant
10:51:51amiconnLow latency mode disables voice?
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10:52:28safetydanamiconn, I wouldn't have thought so, but fleytin seems to think it might
10:53:14fleytin amiconn: At least on iaudio x5. I heard that on iriver it works with no problem.
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10:54:22fleytinsafetydan: Did you mean fragments like this:
10:54:22fleytin#if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC
10:54:22fleytin pcmbuf_set_low_latency(true);
10:54:22DBUGEnqueued KICK fleytin
10:54:34safetydanfleytin, yes
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11:00:52linuxstbSlasheri: Are you aware of the dircache stkov problems people have been reporting?
11:03:44amiconnfleytin: That doesn't make sense. It should work the same on all swcodec targets
11:03:58amiconnAnother mysterious problem... :/
11:05:44fleytinamiconn: Just recompilled. Will try in a moment.
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11:13:41fleytinamiconn: It works now!
11:18:35Slasherilinuxstb: nope, i havent had time to check the bug tracker recently. Do you know if it's enough to increase the stack size?
11:18:44fleytinsafetydan: Thanks again for a tip!
11:18:53safetydanfleytin, no problem
11:19:00linuxstbSlasheri: I don't think it's on the patch tracker, just Mistic River....
11:19:01safetydanNow to find out what's really going on
11:19:11Slasheriah.. i will check that
11:19:34linuxstbSlasheri: Plus Genre9mp3 has mentioned it in here. I suggested that he increased the stack size for the dircache thread, and that appears to be enough to fix it.
11:20:04Slasherihmm, then that fix should probably be committed
11:20:19Slasheribut i have no idea yet why it runs out of stack size..
11:20:23Slasherineed to check the code
11:20:43Slasheriat least the dir recursion shouldn't cause that
11:20:49linuxstbAlso, is there a reason you define the size in terms of DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + x ?
11:21:00linuxstbInstead of just 'x" ?
11:21:22Slasherino, that was from old times when i didn't knew exactly how the threading worked
11:22:34Slasherifor dir recursion, functions inside dircache are never called recursively..
11:22:42Slasheriso something else must cause that
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11:33:58jhMikeSSlasheri: hello. I had couple questions myself: 1) Why align audiobuf when it's aligned in buffer_init and kept aligned by buffer_alloc? 2) Does anything cause dircache to mess with the audio buffer after audio initialization? If so it should obtain the buffer with a function call first.
11:35:28Slasheri1) earlier buffer_alloc was not used and buffer was not aligned, so this has changed lately and i see no reason for that now
11:36:19UpsioneDheelo i ve got an new 160go on my recorder V1 i copied without archose on the second partition but on rockbox, it' empty
11:36:34jhMikeSSlasheri: and 2) ???? <- very important to know :)
11:36:37Slasheri2) After init_dircache() in main.c, dircache buffer size or location should not change. If it does, it's a bug in dircache
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11:40:31webguest99C experts here? I need help with
11:40:51safetydanWould there be much value in getting the user timer working in the sim?
11:42:46webguest99Or should the field declaration be const char * const name? I'll try that out.
11:43:21jhMikeSpreglow: around? wondering if you could suggest ways of getting rid of the beating (spurs?) in DDS. I would like arbitrary frequency generation. Phase dithering sounds kinda bad for low sample rates if I did it right. Without anything it sounds exactly the same as CoolEdit's waveform generator (not so good always).
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11:44:26bluebrotherwebguest99: my_object isn't a pointer while my_type expects a pointer
11:44:34bluebrotheras fas as I can see from a quick look
11:44:43jhMikeSsafetydan: Direct Digital Synthesis
11:44:56pixelmaUpsioneD: maybe you can find some more information here:
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11:45:18safetydanjhMikeS, right, well out of my area of knowledge then :)
11:46:24webguest99bluebrother: item.string is initialised with, which is a char pointer
11:47:03safetydanjhMikeS, is the test_sampr.c plugin supposed to compile? Is just trying to compile it before but it seems to expect more in the plugin structure than is currently supported by CVS
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11:49:12bluebrotherI guess I should finish this hw-stuff I'm working on first :o
11:52:11jhMikeSsafetydan: It should. All the functions are in the plugin API.
11:52:48jhMikeSIs it for a sim? I think I have some stuff removed there.
11:52:59safetydanjhMikeS, yeah for the sim
11:53:24safetydanwhich probably explains it
11:53:31safetydanI should have thought about it a bit first
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12:42:01webguest99 Hey C experts! Stil no ideas about
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13:03:26webguest99jhMikeS: what do you mean? Should I declare name as const char * const name? I can't try now, unfortunately.
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13:07:01barrywardellBagder: looks like that new Sansa firmware has a new key. mi4code seems to be able to scan for the right key though
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13:12:23AngryBarry could i ask you for a litlle help ^^
13:13:07barrywardellyes. just ask
13:15:10AngryOk, i am learning C now and i think i could cope to optimize the H10 Pad with the smoothing suggestions in the tracker. The only thing i really need (and didnt get it) is to get access to the adc_read() function in a plugin which i would like to use as a sandbox... Is this very complicated. I need to know the data value of the scrollpad
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13:17:29barrywardellyou probably need to look in plugin.c/plugin.h
13:18:22Angryto make it available over the plugin_api
13:18:30UpsioneDHey i had some problems with my 160Go recorder v1: the second partiton must be a logic. Now all workd perfecly. I'm trying to compile? Thanks You...
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13:19:39barrywardellAngry: yes, just add adc_read() to the end up the struct plugin_api
13:19:56barrywardellalthough you're probably better using adc_scan() than adc_read()
13:19:56Angryand #include adc.h at the top
13:20:49barrywardelladc_scan() always gives the latest value. adc_read() only gives a value that is updated every tick (1/100th of a second)
13:21:38barrywardelli think it should be #include "adc-target.h"
13:21:42Angryso i will procede with adc_scan
13:21:46barrywardellfor adc_scan()
13:22:56AngryOk i'lll try that... Thx^^
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13:23:35barrywardelllet me know if you get stuck with it. it would be really great to have more stable adc values
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13:24:27Angryi will... ^^
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13:28:36iR0xCan anyone help me with a little pointer problem?
13:29:39Mikachuyou can't return pointers allocated on the stack
13:30:18Mikachuyou probably don't want dynamic allocation in rockbox anyway
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13:30:41mkis5hello all
13:30:55Mikachuyou already said that
13:33:22mkis5and no one responded
13:33:35mkis5i think thats pretty rude
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13:34:06jhMikeSwebguest99: could probably use a direct character array and the address of any element you like. That should work since I do it in other places with other types.
13:34:13scorchethen you must not come into support channels that often
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13:35:07mkis5actually i don't sorry guys i was just being friendly
13:35:14mkis5state'ing that im alive
13:35:25muesli__well done mr powers
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13:37:15mkis5whats everyone doing up so early
13:37:36linuxstbLiving in different timezones...
13:37:56Mikachulinuxstb: nice work on mpegplayer :)
13:38:14linuxstbMikachu: Thanks. Haven't seen you here for a while.
13:38:17mkis5kinda figured that... just making convo
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13:38:59Mikachulinuxstb: i got only 2 or 3 seconds desync on a 3 minute video, but sometimes the sound was a bit garbled
13:40:17linuxstbMikachu: Does the video ever fail to start?
13:40:34Mikachui only tried once so far
13:40:43*jhMikeS wishes he could test the mpeg player but Cowon seems to be taking their time on repairing the x5 (right?) this time.
13:40:44linuxstbI've working on AV sync at the moment.... It's working quite well, but mpegplayer is still a little unstable for me (on my ipod Color).
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13:41:06Mikachuwell, twice, i forgot to make the height multiple of 16 because i used the command on the wiki
13:41:18Mikachu13:29:38 <Mikachu> you can't return pointers allocated on the stack
13:41:21Mikachu13:30:18 <Mikachu> you probably don't want dynamic allocation in rockbox anyway
13:41:49mkis5any body no of anysites i could buy a ipod video logic board
13:42:35Mikachulinuxstb: is it random with the same video or some are flakier than others?
13:42:56Mikachuactually it did sort of crash or something when i tried to enable the frame limiter
13:43:30linuxstbThe main problem I'm looking at at the moment is that the video never starts to display.
13:43:40linuxstbIt doesn't seem related to which video I'm playing.
13:43:48linuxstbJust threading issues I think.
13:43:52Mikachudoes it stay black and hang?
13:44:09linuxstbThe CVS version will keep saying "buffering..." forever.
13:44:22Mikachuit might be what happened when i tried to return from the menu...
13:44:38linuxstbMy version is much better than CVS, but it's still not perfect...
13:44:56Mikachuyou're supposed to commit every time you make a change :)
13:45:51linuxstbThe build servers would never stop if we all did that.
13:46:16Mikachui guess taht's true
13:46:53linuxstbBut as soon as I feel it's stable again, I'll commit.
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13:47:47Mikachui got about 28 fps without the limiter but only 21 with, the target is 23.97, iirc
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13:48:15Mikachu(that was 176x96 video though)
13:48:55Mikachuah that res is in the table
13:49:25Mikachui'll just check again to be sure it was 28
13:51:48Mikachuit seems to stabilize at 29.6 actually
13:51:48Mikachui'll put in 29
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13:55:35muesli__ive got a 90min mp3 life cut from a concert. with what tool do i cut it into gapless pieces?
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13:56:36linuxstbIs it VBR or CBR?
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13:57:34Mikachui think there are about 4 different programs that can cut mp3s on freshmeat
13:57:41Mikachuno idea if they are gapless afterwards
13:58:08muesli__linuxstb its cbr
13:59:09muesli__Mikachu when i recall myself right you simply have to cut them at the end of a block
13:59:19muesli__but im not tooo familiar with the technical stuff
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14:02:05muesli__Mikachu ill just guess the position of cuts since its not an official cd and a dvd-audiotrack
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15:26:49ArathisDoes anybody know a way to put some lines of text into a textfile on a specific passage if you don't know the exact linenumer? (refering to xorg.conf) And all that within a bash script
15:28:10hcsyes, well, with sed at least, but it is not a topic for #rockbox
15:29:09Arathisthat's true. just thought here might might be people knoing about it (I'm a bit afraid of going to #bash ;) )
15:29:24ArathisI'll look at sed than. thanks
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15:32:42Nico_Pany comments on ?
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15:36:21ArathisNico_P: what do mean by "slider bitmap"?
15:36:39Mikachua bitmap that moves, like a slider, i guess?
15:36:47Nico_PMikachu: that's it
15:37:24Mikachucould you have the progressbar for playback and the slider for seeking? :)
15:37:57Arathisso the aim is to have a single little bitmap that moves across the display instead of a growing progress bitmap?
15:38:11Nico_PMikachu: that would be possible but it's not the same patch anymore
15:38:19Nico_PArathis: yes
15:38:49hcscool, it'd make the winamp skin clones more accurate :)
15:43:04ArathisI myself wouldn't use it a lot because I prefer the normal progressbar, but as hcs said there are people just waiting for such a patch.
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15:48:41GodEaterWebI'm continually amazed by how many people care about such details on the display. I thought the point was to listen to the music - not watch the screen of your DAP while you're doing it :)
15:49:33*amiconn fully agrees
15:50:11Mikachui still use the wps i made in 5 minutes as a test last year
15:50:41ArathisGodEaterWeb: It's for artistic freedom ;)
15:50:47Nico_PI don't really care either but I saw the request on the forum and I thought it was a good idea and not too hard to do
15:50:49hcswhereas I use the default without the peakmeters, but it's still nice to have cool pretty things
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16:01:26lowlightSlasheri: tagcache bug for you :) ...
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16:08:27lowlightany reason there needs to be both an integer and a string value for "year" metadata? Seems the integer year just requires unnecessary string>int>string conversions.
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16:21:55Slasherilowlight: the integer year is trivial to store, and requires less space so database uses it
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16:22:07Slasherithat ogg year strings needs to be converted to integer somehow..
16:22:33Slasheriit's a problem with the metadata parser
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16:23:33Slasheriah, it seems that metadata parser doesn't even try to parse it for ogg metadata
16:24:20Slasheriin this case ogg format is bad because it doesn't have strict format for tags
16:26:11linuxstbI thought it was DATE in vorbis comments, not year...
16:26:27Slasheriat least i can't think of why somebody would want a non-numeric year
16:26:35Slasherihmm, that's correct in fact..
16:26:56hcsThe Year of Our Lord Two-Thousand and Seven
16:26:58Slasheriso it is even more complex to parse than that
16:27:05linuxstbPlus my only .m4a file has a date field with something like "2004-07-01 00:00.00"
16:27:08Slasheridates can be almost in any format :/
16:31:35lowlightI don't think id3v2.4 has a strict year tag anymore either
16:33:34lowlightthey use a "timestamp" format
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16:38:57perl|workgoffa test 1 2 3
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16:42:19Alexincis anyone up to coding an option so you can flip the screen sideways for us gigabeat users
16:44:08goffaAlexinc: no
16:44:20goffai talked to amiconn about it and it wouldn't be worth it
16:44:58goffawould take a LOT of code to implement, and you'd have to alter the way wps screens are handed
16:48:51RedZZRyou would then have to use the ipod 5g wps
16:49:41RedZZRcould you not have two directories - one portrait wps - the other landscape
16:49:51RedZZRor even two sub dirs
16:50:30perl|workpersonally i never used landscape mode on my player
16:50:52RedZZRIts quite nice when undocked - but no use when its docked...
16:51:11BagderRedZZR: it would still need a lot of changes
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16:51:26RedZZRquite a few - I don't disagree
16:52:25perl|workbtw is there an issue with album art patch that alters the WPS screen abit? we're getting it on gigabeat
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16:53:02Bagderthe album art patch is unofficial
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16:58:04Alexincwhat is the tetrix plugin called?
16:59:01perl|worki noticed yesterday pacman stopped working
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16:59:47RedZZRrockblox has been updated to work, but the patch has not yet been commited to the CVS -
17:00:22RedZZRon the Gigabeat that is...
17:00:39perl|workyep pacbox is still broken for gigabeat
17:01:11RedZZRmaybe the DMA updates have broken it.
17:01:35Alexincwell can someone commit the patch?
17:01:44Alexinci really want some tetrix
17:02:09RedZZRI've passed it on... just waiting for them to get the time to apply the patch and submit
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17:02:18perl|workpacbox > rockblox
17:02:22RedZZRps. I added a highscore feature as well...
17:02:34Alexinci dont like mame that much
17:02:50hcspacbox is not mame based
17:02:55Alexincwhat is it
17:03:08hcsit is from the pacman instructional emulator, iirc
17:04:06perl|workyes, the real deal
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17:05:30RedZZRI was looking at the Block Diagram of the Gigabeat, noticed a 2Kbit I2c EEPROM in the dock, anybody know the device address of this, could it be used to store the last track played when docked etc...
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17:06:11RedZZRI suppose this info could be stored in a file...
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17:07:14lowlightyou can always just press play again to resume the last played track
17:07:32pixelmaRedZZR: did you post the tetrox (and/or) patches in the official rockbox patch tracker - so maybe another dev could look at it too...
17:08:07pixelmaother patches I mean
17:08:30RedZZRI just posted it to one of the gigabeat devs with commit privs... I could post it to the patch tracker...
17:08:46RedZZRI'm at work at the moment, so don't have it with me.
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17:12:26pixelmathat would increase you chances... :)
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17:12:41Alexincnow, off to school
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17:12:45RedZZRemailed the rockblox patch to gotthardt: but I will try and put up a patch later
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17:14:49bluebrotherhmm ... does svn use $Id:$ tags?
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17:37:45amiconngoffa: There is a slight chance for portrait/landscape flipping to become easier to implement with viewports, as viewports are already variable-sized display areas per definition
17:38:19lowlightbluebrother: seems so...
17:38:43amiconnIt'd still require a second set of drawing functions (to be implemented in every lcd driver that shall support this kind of flipping) and the application layer must be aware of it as well
17:39:26lowlightmaybe easier to make a separate landscape build and rolo it
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17:40:17amiconnlowlight: The general problem with roloing different builds would be the plugins
17:42:00lowlightahh, yes
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18:10:22debauched_slothis there someone there who knows the ATA driver?
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18:14:15perl|workdebauched_sloth afternoon
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18:19:10perl|workdebauched_sloth _love_ the sound quality with the latest build
18:19:27perl|worksped issue seems to be gone as well
18:19:34debauched_slothit's not
18:19:37debauched_slothlooking at that now
18:19:45perl|workreally? never happened to me this morning
18:19:50perl|workplayed same tracks for an hour
18:20:05perl|workand i was getting it every 2nd track last night
18:20:30perl|workjust skipped once to the next track by itself
18:20:34goffabattery life seems greatly improved don't have any hard numbers
18:20:37perl|workfrom the middle of a song
18:20:52debauched_slothyes, it's harder to get now
18:20:58debauched_slothbattery life should be MUCH better
18:21:06perl|workbut its still there?
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18:22:20debauched_slothtrying to figure it out now
18:22:27perl|workwhy went with the dimming btw?
18:22:37debauched_slothI don't understand
18:22:45perl|worksince shut off improves it even more
18:22:54perl|workabout backlight
18:22:58Mikachuwhat target is this?
18:23:03debauched_slothoh. gotthardt needs to merge that
18:23:14perl|workdebauched_sloth aha
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18:24:07Mikachui think that patch should use some define for the rockbox dir, and not hardcode /.rockbox ?
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18:38:28pixelmaheh... re. rockblox the "highscore box" would have to be prepared for all targets - and won't fit on most displays....
18:39:25pixelmais it really necessary to display that on the playboard?
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18:40:39pixelmawouldn't a separate list be better as it is done some other plugins?
18:41:40pixelmathe question would be directed to gotthardt nut he isn't here atm :/
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18:43:00ICE9hi have a question installing rockbox on nano gen 1
18:43:34ICE9which version should I install
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18:43:53ICE9the daily build or current stable
18:44:07ICE9and is the stable only for archos ?
18:44:19LinusNthe stable is only for archos
18:44:47RedZZRIt would not be too hard to enable the highscore without displaying it, or you could just make room for the highest score.
18:44:48ICE9so I have to d/l the daily build then right
18:45:44pixelmaRedZZR: look at the screenshots here and tell me where the highscores could fit on let's say the Archos display...
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18:47:55pixelmaand the patch causes warnings for all other targets - I guess it's because of the highscores...
18:47:57preglowdisplay high score in the main screen?
18:48:16pixelmapreglow: look at the commited background.bmp
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18:48:58preglowi don't see any (recently) commited bmp
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18:50:59preglowi don't see the point in that
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18:52:42pixelmame too, that's why I asked
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18:53:10RedZZRsorry for the warnings in the sim builds, forgot to add a #ifdef by the declarations
18:53:47RedZZRIts a pity other screens are too small, but then the file will hold the highscore anyway...
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18:55:09pixelmawhy not make it a seperate list (screen) which you can enter by holding a key combo or something?
18:56:18pixelmayou would also be able to use the gigabeat's screen better than what I imagine from looking at the background
18:56:45RedZZRI was only implementing the gigabeat fixes really and notices there was lots of spare screen...
18:56:59RedZZRbut anybody else is welcome to mod it for other devices...
18:57:31RedZZRI'll send the simple fix to gothardt: to remove the warnings in the sim builds
18:58:36pixelmagotthardt: your check for 128 pixels width (only) also disables rockblox for the 5/6GB H10s
19:00:38pixelmabut only should affect the ifps
19:01:31gotthardtpixelma: you are right - im working on the fix - the best would be just to so no tothe ifps
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19:02:01gotthardtdebauched_sloth is fixing the warnings now for me
19:02:06debauched_slothI hope
19:02:12debauched_slothjust that, though
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19:02:57gotthardtheh - the SOURCES in apps/plugins should have the line changed from lcd_width == 128 to !define (FILL IN IF)
19:04:08Soaplinuxstb: The mpg files I created at "12 FPS" are actually 24 FPS mpegs, with every-other-frame being a duplicate. Would it be possible to add a feature to the pluggin to recognize this type of file, and decode it at the 12FPS rate?
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19:04:32gotthardtthat would be clearer - sorry for the confusion... i gotta run
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19:07:03linuxstbSoap: I doubt it. The inter-frame dependencies would probably require decoding every frame anyway.
19:07:39linuxstbSoap: We need to find an encoder that creates "real" 12fps files (even though it's outside the MPEG-2 spec).
19:08:02linuxstbDid you have a problem with mencoder?
19:08:38SoapI'll look into that both of those issues. My suspicion is that on the "doubled" 12FPS encodes the duplicate frame is a P frame which could be safely tossed.
19:09:15Soapas that P frame would contain nothing more than "what he <−− said."
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19:09:58debauched_slothanyone here familiar with the ATA driver?
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19:10:04Soapand the next P frame, the one with real deltas in it, would work just as well referencing N-2 as it would N-1
19:10:15linuxstbdebauched_sloth: Best to just ask the question...
19:10:42linuxstbSoap: That all sounds a bit complicated compared to simply encoding the file to have 12fps...
19:11:14Soaplinuxstb: oh, I agree, I'll look into alternate encoders.
19:11:21debauched_slothI am looking at copy_read_sectors, and I am not sure I understand multi_sectors
19:11:46debauched_slothif multi_sectors is the most sectors that can be requested at a time, it does not do that
19:12:05debauched_slothrather it requests all, then strobes the data (w/o any pause, really), in multi_sector chunks
19:12:07debauched_slothis this correct?
19:12:23debauched_slothalso, assume we'll have to play with the nop/nop/nop sequence for the gigabeat
19:12:28SoapThough, if my theory is correct, I might be able to write a simple Perl script to decimate out every other frame, and change the references.
19:13:38debauched_slothI'll be back in ten
19:13:39amiconndebauched_sloth: We do not want no C99variable declarations (i.e. mixed with code), see CONTRIBUTING
19:15:48pixelmadebauched_sloth, gotthardt: is someone going to commit a fix for SOURCES too (regarding rockblox for H10)?
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19:20:29debauched_slothamiconn: will do
19:21:49LinusNdebauched_sloth: yes, the multi_sectors behaviour is correct
19:22:17debauched_slothok, just checking
19:24:13debauched_slothone more question: at least here, I see a case where issuing a read for the same sectors again seems to fail, I think because BSY is being asserted and deasserted before wait_for_start_of_transfer() can catch them
19:24:37debauched_slothno, that can't be
19:25:03debauched_slothI'll look at this one some more and see if I can figure out why it is failing
19:26:20LinusNhave fun :-)
19:26:20debauched_slothah, I get it, the wait_for_start_of_transfer() picks up the subsequent chunk of the multi-sector transfer. Thanks.
19:26:30debauched_slothah, yah, fun it will not be, I think
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19:28:36RedZZRdebauched_sloth: sent you a simple patch to fix the other builds of Rockblox.
19:29:29lavidnot sure who to tell this to but the mi4tool cannot decode the new beta sansa firmware
19:30:22RedZZRdebauched_sloth: think the email went to gothardt... its not easy with all the nicks...
19:30:24lavidat least not with the decrypt function alone
19:30:39debauched_slothhe should be back in a short while
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19:31:25lostlogicahy h120 owners about?
19:31:41debauched_slothwhat changes to SOURCES are needed? I'm coming in later here
19:31:41lostlogichow does one operate the reset button on the H120?
19:31:41lavidlostlogic: yeah, i have one
19:31:51lostlogic(I don't have one, but my mother does)
19:32:07lavidlostlogic: you stick a pin in the bottom hole
19:32:22lavidexcuse the vulgarity of that...
19:32:37lostlogiclavid: and it feels like a button push?
19:32:48lavidlostlogic: it should
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19:32:58lostlogiclavid: any need to hold it or just a quick click?
19:33:07lavidlostlogic: quick click
19:33:12lowlightlavid: 13.07.01 # <barrywardell> Bagder: looks like that new Sansa firmware has a new key. mi4code seems to be able to scan for the right key though
19:33:35RedZZRit just needed a #ifdef HIGH_SCORE_Y around the var decs in the init_rockblox func.
19:34:40lostlogiclavid: ever heard of pressing the reset button not resetting the device?
19:34:53lavidlostlogic: let's move this to PM
19:35:18pixelmadebauched_sloth: SOURCES... I'll look into that - in short: the important thing is that now it only checks for "LCD_WIDTH != 128" disabling it correctly for the ifp - but incorrectly for the 5GB H10, too
19:36:38RedZZRah, thats what the talk was about C99 vars... I see its already been fixed by moving the decs..
19:37:21lavidlowlight: what keyfile did they use?
19:37:43lowlightask barrywardell ;)
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19:39:06RedZZRthats one of the problems of multi target development, trying to make sure you don't break the other builds... next time I will do an extra build with another target just to check...
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19:41:07lowlightlostlogic: I think people have broken the reset button before
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19:49:54bluebrother^hmm, looks like the no-fading-on-low-power is intended ...
19:50:11bluebrother^in that case it should get documented somewhere
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20:03:05tucozBagder: are you around?
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20:03:08goffano fading on low power? isn't that counter intuitive?
20:03:34bluebrother^no, as fading needs more power
20:03:47goffaah... you'd think it'd use less
20:03:58bluebrother^at least when it's done by pwm like in the h100
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20:06:15goffaguess i don't care about fading on the h100 though
20:06:26tucozbluebrother^: what do you think about the key-naming for the sansa?
20:06:46amiconnbluebrother: Fading doesn't need more power because it uses pwm. The point is that for flicker-free pwm _on coldfire_ the cpu clock must stay constant during the fade, and because we cannot force the clock low (then music might skip), we need to force it high, i.e. boosted
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20:07:19amiconnThis is because the timer depends on cpu clock, and the pll relock time isn't predictable
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20:07:41goffathat makes sense then
20:07:42bluebrotheramiconn, I was aware of that fact. Switching a LED on or off doesn't eat up power
20:07:44amiconnThis problem doesn't exist on portalplayer, as the timer clock is independent of the cpu clock on pp
20:08:03bluebrotherbut I simply wasn't that precise
20:08:17bluebrotherah, nice to know. Wasn't aware this is different on PP
20:08:28bluebrothertucoz, haven't looked closely yet
20:08:33tucozI used the Submenu keyname because that is what the key is called (along with down) in the original manual
20:08:53tucozand as i used play on the opposite key, as opposed to 'up'
20:09:21bluebrotherbut that "Submenu" is really strange
20:09:41bluebrotherhmm, is there a dedicated stop button? Can't see one
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20:10:01tucozi know. but that is what that symbol is called
20:10:25bluebrotherwhat function does that button in Rockbox? Calling the main menu?
20:10:32tucozI think so
20:10:33bluebrotherthen we could simply call it "menu"
20:10:47bluebrother"Submenu" sounds so ... weird.
20:10:55tucozi think not. the power button has 'menu' written underneath it
20:11:11tucozhehe. it does
20:11:37bluebrotherhmm. Really strange naming.
20:11:52tucozthat is. i think the only key we can call 'menu', is the power button. and that is called Power now.
20:11:53midgeyi've posted an updated version of blackjack to the tracker for all interested
20:11:55bluebrotherwould be nice to have one and simply try out how Rockbox uses the buttons
20:12:19tucozYes. But I would like to hear what barrywardell and dan_a has to say about it.
20:12:20midgeythis version should work on all targets and has a manual section included
20:12:26bluebrotheramiconn, except the detailed explanation of course ;-) Thanks for clarifying
20:12:28tucozyay :)
20:12:58Nico_PLinusN: I've rewritten one of gl's patches (4783, the y-coord one)... would it be fit for inclusion in CVS ?
20:13:01FebsThe lack of threading etiquette on the user mailing list is getting to be unbearable.
20:13:03bluebrotherhehe ... a candidate for midkay?
20:13:26bluebrotherNico_P, I guess not −− because of the planned viewports ...
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20:13:54bluebrotherbut those customized build guys will like it :)
20:14:33pixelmatucoz: did you find the new svg with the arrows on it - also I was pointed to the fact that the center is also a "Select" button and wasn't labelled before
20:14:43Nico_Pbluebrother: I hope nobody else answers that :p ... it's just one additional coordinate
20:15:30bluebrothersure, but if it's additional code (which it surely is) which will get superfluous with viewports ...
20:16:12LinusNmy opinion is this:
20:16:14tucozpixelma: i didn't know there existed one with arrows :) I guess i did the current one in a bit of a rush. i think i'll wait with the next, until the button naming is settled
20:16:23Nico_Pthere is already some superfluous code with the progressbar, and i'm not sure it's that superfluous unless we want to have a viewport dedicated for the pb
20:16:55LinusNsince viewports isn't happening soon, i think we could apply quite a few of those wps patches in the meantime
20:17:08GodEateramiconn - You in the mood for some more ATA questions ?
20:17:28pixelmatucoz: you were off too fast the other day (it was just a matter of seconds - I stated it for the logs, right after you left - it's in the same place as the other was
20:18:08Nico_PLinusN: that seems very wise to me
20:18:16Nico_Punless someone is actually working on viewports
20:18:44LinusNamiconn says he has it in his head, but not more than that
20:19:09tucozpixelma: ah. ok. i'll download it later on.
20:19:12bluebrotheroh, that's nice to hear.
20:19:15LinusNGodEater: anything i can help with?
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20:19:33GodEaterLinusN: possibly :)
20:19:34bluebrotherscrolling margins would surely be another great candidate
20:19:41GodEaterI've just been doing some intensive googling for toshiba specs
20:20:11GodEaterand it seems that at least some of their 1.8" drives interpret 021h as well as 020h as a PIO READ SECTOR command
20:20:22GodEaterbut according to the ATA specs - that's an obsolete command
20:20:43GodEaterI'm wondering what the difference is
20:21:40GodEaterand one other thing - which may be entirely irrelevant - but the ATA-7 spec doesn't appear to agree with itself on bit 13 of word 106
20:21:49GodEaterin one place it says this indicated long physical sectors
20:21:54GodEaterand in another it's long logical sectors
20:22:02GodEaterI've no idea which is true
20:22:13pixelmaLinusN: there was some talk about swapping the 80GB HD from the Ipod into a H300/H100 (?) or vice verso to see if it's only that - I thought you had both?
20:22:32GodEaterpixelma: don't think it'd go - it uses a ZIF connector
20:22:41LinusNpixelma: yes i have both
20:22:50pixelmawell... I just remembered the idea
20:24:01pixelmaI think amiconn came up with that
20:24:25GodEaterI'm toying with the idea of buying another ZIF 1.8" drive and seeing if it'll work in an 80GB ipod
20:24:56GodEaterjust not soon - Xmas was expensive :)
20:25:27amiconnSwapping drives between an 80GB G5.5 and a 60GB G5 should be possible
20:25:42LinusNi'm thinking of connecting a logic analyzer
20:25:45GodEaterI'm not blowing a load of money on a whole other ipod
20:25:52pixelmaok... misunderstood then
20:25:53GodEaterI'd just get another dirve
20:26:11GodEateranyway - any thoughts on those ATA comments - or are they wholy irrelevant ?
20:26:24LinusNi don't have the ata spec here atm
20:26:36amiconnGodEater: Of course not... that should be done by someone who has both models, or can temporarily get hold of both
20:27:42*LinusN seems to have a mission
20:28:55tucozpixelma: so the space in the middle i a select button on the sansa?
20:29:51tucozok. thanks
20:30:07amiconnGodEater: ATA4 says READ SECTOR(S) is 20h or 21h, ATA5 and up say 21h is obsolete
20:31:00amiconnpage 154
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20:32:07GodEateramiconn : have a look here then
20:32:17GodEaterI'm sure those drives have been used in previous ipods
20:33:40amiconnThere's no reason why a newer drive shouldn't support those commands, the standard says they're obsolete, so it's not required that they work, but since the command codes are unused now...
20:33:54*GodEater wonders if it's worth trying them too
20:34:00amiconnMaybe toshiba & apple uses such a cheap trick after all?
20:34:56amiconnHmm, READ MULTIPLE and WRITE MULTIPLE don't have such an alias
20:36:11GodEateralso - I note there are two modes "LBA" and "CHS" on those drives
20:36:16GodEateris that of any relevance ?
20:36:43amiconnThat's part of the ata standard
20:37:00amiconn(dropped in ata6 or ata7, don't remember)
20:37:14GodEaterheh - but not necessarily by Toshiba
20:38:20amiconnYes. Same reason as for the 21h and 31h commands
20:38:52amiconnThey're obsolete, but it doesn't hurt to support them if they're not redefined. Better backwards compatibility
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20:40:32*GodEater notes some Toshiba specific commands in that document too
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20:40:56GodEaterno indication of what they do though
20:41:31amiconnHmm. Maybe the apple loader puts the disk to sleep? Did you try issuing a soft reset?
20:41:43amiconn(as hard reset isn't actually doing anything)
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20:42:35GodEatersoft resest gets called a few times already
20:42:41GodEaterI've not bothered adding more calls to it
20:43:08GodEaterthat's why it takes a while for the "no partitions found" message to come up
20:43:19GodEaterit's the perform_soft_reset()s waiting to come back
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20:58:54pixelmaRedZZR/other gigabeat-owners: wouldn't it be nicer to have a real huge rockblox like that... (a quick mockup though) - maybe the highscore list could fit there too (if soo desired) otherwise it should be on a different screen but I couldn't code that up :/ )
20:59:54RedZZRyes I agree, but I was just trying to get it going with the least changes.
21:00:13gotthardtpixelma: sure - always open to improvements - today we are just glad it got added!
21:00:27RedZZRmaybe when I get some spare time... Rockbox is taking up quite a lot of my spare time - which I should be doing my photography....
21:00:32pixelma? - I think this would have needed less changes
21:01:02gotthardtheh - we have learned: simple changes - aren't
21:01:29RedZZRmaybe... the sound bug is back on my unit at the moment... glitching and speeding up mid song...
21:01:41gotthardtbut thanks for pointing out the biggetr screen - that is nice
21:01:53gotthardtdoes it speed up the rest of the song?
21:01:58RedZZRthis time it was a vbr mp3 file...
21:02:08gotthardtdoes it go back to normal at the next song?
21:02:24RedZZRyes, its all the way to the end... with 1min buffering and then its normal on the next song
21:02:49RedZZRchecking the next track
21:03:00gotthardtdoes is sound like the song is actually faster? like it plays perfect but just at a faster speed?
21:03:20gotthardtor does it sound like its playing everyother sample/chunk?
21:03:25gotthardtlike fastforward?
21:03:30RedZZRno there are glitches and it speeds up and slows a little
21:03:46RedZZRits not much faster - seems to be loosing some data
21:04:10RedZZRmaybe an over or under run condition on the fifo?
21:04:15gotthardtthanks - i wanted to eliminate that the DAC was getting a different speed setting or a clock was shifting/changing
21:04:38pixelmagotthardt: I would be able to change it (back) - I just don't know what to do with the highscores...
21:04:43gotthardtyes - we have some issues still with that...
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21:04:48RedZZRsounds more like data being lost / corrupted
21:05:12RedZZRpixelma: Whats the question - about rockblox?
21:06:46pixelmaI could commit it with the other layout (like in the link)
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21:07:18pixelmaif I knew where to put the highscores...
21:07:22gotthardtuse a separate screen for high-scores?
21:07:40RedZZRwhy not add an option for high scores on a menu screen?
21:07:53RedZZRit could do with an intro menu anyway
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21:08:29pixelmaI would put it on a different screen too - but don't have enough coding skills to do so
21:08:41gotthardtor alway show the hiscores on the intro screen?
21:08:46RedZZRthe display of highscores is disable if HIGH_SCORE_Y is not defined
21:09:02pixelmathere is no intro screen yet - it starts right away
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21:11:52D0ugIs there any sort of effort going into making a gameboy plugin for the sansa rockbox?
21:12:52barrywardellnoone that i know of yet. it should be just a matter of writing a lcd driver
21:13:07barrywardelland picking a keymap
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21:13:42RedZZRGB track skip just happend... 4:09 Tracklen - vbr mp3 not long into it - maybe 1:30m
21:13:42tucozbarrywardell: hi. what do you think about the sansa key names (for the manual)?
21:13:44pixelmaRedZZR: I see what I can do (when you are fine with disabling it)
21:15:04barrywardelltucoz: what are they currently? I don't see the sansa on the manual page
21:15:05RedZZRpixelma: it would be nice to have it as an option - otherwise just post a patch to remove highscores - then people with GB who don't want highscore but big display can appy it
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21:15:46tucozbarrywardell: here are the names.
21:16:07tucozin the third block of text from the top
21:16:53tucozand here is an image of the player, with some parts missing.
21:16:55barrywardellthey seem good to me
21:17:15tucozyou are fine with Submenu as well?
21:17:22barrywardellthe image is great, but select and scroll are missing
21:17:39tucozi'll add those tomorrow.
21:17:56barrywardellyes, submenu is fine with me. the other option is down, which is a bit confusing given there's a scrollwheel
21:18:20tucozright. then i think we should stick with it
21:18:46barrywardelli like them anyway, unless dan_a or someone has suggestions for a better alternative
21:19:20tucozgood. i can ask him before i commit the updated stuff
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21:24:26barrywardelltucoz: while, you're here. FS #6308
21:25:15bluebrotherbarrywardell, did you the low power stuff on h100?
21:25:52barrywardellthe low power shutdown? it was a patch on the tracker that I committed
21:26:13barrywardelltucoz: what do you think about that that suggestion?
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21:26:32tucozah. i saw that earlier but didn't quite understand it. I wonder how we could refer to buttons by symbols
21:26:41tucozas opposed to names
21:26:54bluebrotherdo you remember who wrote that patch? Looks like it disables backlight fading when on low power
21:27:10bluebrotherand I feel that should get documented if it's intended
21:27:34bluebrothertucoz, we could create our own font :)
21:27:43tucozhehe. yes. we should :)
21:27:49tucozthe rockbox font
21:27:53D0ugCan somone direct me to a place where I could download some fonts?
21:28:04tucozon the daily builds page">
21:28:09D0ugkk thanks
21:28:15bluebrotherhas also a lot
21:28:25barrywardellbluebrother: it was lostlogic that did most of the work. FS #3001
21:28:39bluebrotherI never created a font for LaTeX but it might be an interesting thing
21:28:52tucozD0ug: the cvs-fonts are to be found on the daily builds. rasher has some other ones.
21:29:15D0ugkk would these fonts be compatible with the sansa e200?
21:29:18tucozi think i'll leave font making to the pros
21:29:30tucozD0ug: yes
21:29:35D0ugthank you
21:29:40bluebrotherbarrywardell, thanks.
21:29:41tucozat least, i assume they would
21:29:43barrywardelltucoz: i don't think the suggestions in FS #6308 are any better than what we have already. so i think we should either leave them as are, or if possible use symbols instead
21:30:07barrywardellbluebrother: disabling the fading is intended iirc
21:30:11tucozmaybe we could think about that one for a few days
21:30:26tucozi haven't even considered symbols
21:30:37*bluebrother just looks at FS #6308
21:30:52barrywardellbluebrother: backlight fading uses extra power, so when the battery gets low it is disabled to get a little more life out of it
21:31:08bluebrothersymbols would be nice, but I disagree with the poster of that task
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21:31:26barrywardellthe h10 iriver manual uses symbols iirc
21:31:39*dan_a sees his name in the logs
21:31:53bluebrotherbarrywardell, I assumed that but I was a bit surprised when I first ran into it, so I thought it should get documented if it's intended
21:32:06tucozdan_a: hi. we have been discussing what we should call the buttons on the sansa
21:32:25bluebrotheralso, it seems when connecting the charger when on low battery doesn't restore the fading. If you boot with charger connected it works.
21:32:32bluebrotherbut I'll need to verify this.
21:32:57tucozdan_a: i pasted some links to the current status around 21.15
21:33:15bluebrotherthe only problem with icons for the buttons would be the html version
21:33:37bluebrotherthey could get replaced by graphics but that won't work for blind users
21:33:57tucozah. the blind users shouldn't be forgotten
21:34:10bluebrotherwe could simply keep the text for the html version
21:34:24bluebrotherwould require quite some opt-ing but it would work
21:34:26dan_atucoz: I'm just going to check that they're not called anything different in the Sansa manual, but I'm happy with those names
21:35:03tucozhow should we refer to symbols in here?
21:35:15tucozwhen we do user support
21:35:32barrywardellcould you not just use the existing text as the alt tag in the html version?
21:35:48GodEaterdo we not have a functional hard reset parameter for the iPod because we don't know it - or because we never thought we needed it ?
21:36:44bluebrotheruse the same names as in the html version, and add a page (maybe in the appendix?) that lists the keys and names
21:37:22bluebrotherthe alt tag could get used, but htlatex doesn't allow this easily. No idea if it can changed to do so.
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21:37:41bluebrotherotherwise I had proposed that myself ;-)
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21:38:38barrywardellbluebrother: ah, why can things never be simple?
21:39:43bluebrotherhtlatex is kind of a bitch. I'll still need to look why textsc generates messy html code
21:40:13bluebrotheras always: works fine on a small test document but not with the real one
21:41:51barrywardellbluebrother, tucoz: the iriver manual calles ff/rewind next/previous and cals the other two buttons select and cancel
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21:43:11barrywardelland then it uses symbols for the buttons too
21:44:30bluebrotherselect and cancel makes sense imo
21:45:38barrywardellhere's a direct link to the manual:
21:45:48bluebrotherand next / previous ... don't know what's printed on the keys itself
21:46:37tucozok. that we could change
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21:47:10barrywardelli think we should change them to be the same as the iriver manual
21:47:16tucozi agree
21:47:47barrywardellbluebrother: look at page 6 of the pdf to see the side buttons. and further on in the manual for their use of symbols
21:47:55bluebrotheryes, after looking at that pdf the names sound reasonable
21:48:50bluebrotheralready found that page :)
21:49:15bluebrothermaybe I'll try to get a look in building a symbol font ...
21:49:26*bluebrother searches for some free time
21:50:24tucozwe should definitley use the same names as in the iriver manual
21:50:59barrywardelltucoz: will you commit the change?
21:51:43tucozi can not do that now unfortunatley. i can do it tomorrow, unless someone else does iot
21:51:56dan_atucoz: The original Sansa manual refers to up as "Up/Pause/Resume" and down as "Down/Submenu" I think our names match closely enough for people familiar with the Sansa manual to understand them :D
21:51:56bluebrotherfor the h10? I can do it ...
21:52:29tucozdan_a. great.
21:52:50barrywardellbluebrother: yes, please
21:53:13barrywardelland i think you can close the bug report once it's done
21:53:22bluebrotherI only don't know if I have everything installed to change the graphic.
21:53:25bluebrotherbut I'll see.
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21:55:03bluebrotherah, inkscape seems to have everything needed
21:55:23tucozbluebrother: remember to select the entire image before you export to png
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21:55:51tucozand also, i save as .eps in inkscape and run epstopdf on that file to get the pdf
21:56:21bluebrotherok. Maybe we'll find a way to do this automatically sometime
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21:57:00tucozyes. but imagemagick can not be used for this purpose
21:57:41bluebrotherI know.
21:57:52bluebrotherdid you do any special settings when exporting to png?
21:58:11bluebrotherI just used Export Bitmap / Page and kept all settings
21:58:21barrywardelllavid: you were asking about mi4code? did you get it working?
21:58:55tucozgot to go. i'll try and fix the e200 manual tomorrow
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22:00:25barrywardellwhy isn't the sansa on the manual page?
22:03:06GodEateroh well - it was worth a try - but I can confirm that using the alternatve READ SECTORS command code of 0x21 doesn't work on the 80GB either /=
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22:06:15bagawkGodEater: :(
22:06:25GodEaterindeed :(
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22:08:18barrywardellBagder: i think the sansa should be added to the manual page
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22:15:01pixelmabarrywardell: I don't know how far the Sansa manual itself is prepared for that
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22:16:00qwmBagder: how're you doing?
22:16:24barrywardellpixelma: true.although it would probably be better than nothing
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22:17:41*GodEater looks for the ATA command for "Why the f*ck don't you just work dammit?"
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22:18:02Doomedcould i ask about the "ignore the when sorting patch" to be re thought out about adding to the cvs. its a small patch and it is useful. its a lot easier to have that patch than to rename all the artist tags. many mp3 players defualt firmware does this automatically
22:18:22GodEaterhcs: hehehe I'll try that!
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22:19:43linuxstbmidgey: Are you wiki user TomRoss?
22:19:50midgeyi am
22:19:53qwmmidgey ?
22:20:08qwmis that your real nick?
22:20:15linuxstbWere your mpegplayer results with the standard CVS, or any patches applied?
22:20:17qwmit does have a slight resemblance to "midkay".
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22:20:32midgeyim either midgey or midgey34 on here
22:20:33qwmlinuxstb: i love you so much for having done that mpegplayer.
22:20:41midgeylinuxstb: standard cvs
22:20:44Mikachumine were with kernel_on_cop_6, but you probably guessed
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22:21:18linuxstbMikachu: Yes, that's what I wanted.
22:21:39linuxstbmidgey: Quite impressive already then.
22:21:59midgeyi used the elephants dream videos
22:22:18midgeylet it play for a few minutes and took what looked to be the normal speed
22:22:29midgeyit was slower sometimes, faster others
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22:23:09midgeyeg: 224x176 dipped to 8 at times and 13 at others
22:24:17bluebrotherDoomed, that patch got rejected as not wanted functionality IIRC
22:25:24midgeysomeone could close my old 3020 if they'd like
22:26:08*tehsmo still thinks the 'ignore-the sorting' should be a menu option
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22:26:50*bluebrother still thinks there should be a category like "add-ons" in FS
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22:33:13bluebrotherbarrywardell, changes committed
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22:37:03muesliiLinusN was the Turning Torso already finished?
22:37:25goffaturning torso?
22:38:07muesliiyeah, kinda skyscraper in malm/sweden
22:38:15Doomedyes well im just saying, its a lame excuse
22:38:15goffayeah.. just looked it up
22:38:19goffapretty cool looking
22:39:00muesliitheres just a documentary about it on tv
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22:40:30Doomedhmmm anybody have a H320 here?
22:40:47FebsI used to.
22:41:10barrywardellthanks bluebrother
22:41:18Doomeddid you have rockbox on it
22:41:33bluebrotherI'm looking into making the sansa manual buildable. There are only a few buttons missing
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22:42:13linuxstbIs apps/plugins/SOURCES still wrong? It looks like today's changes disables rockblox for the H10 5/6GB.
22:42:22barrywardelli see. that explains why it isn't on the manual page yet
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22:44:32pixelmalinuxstb: yes it is... actually I wanted to change it first, now looking if I couldn't prepare rockblox for all targets
22:45:01Doomedso thats a no go on a rethink about the ignoring the in the tagcache?
22:45:13linuxstbpixelma Am I right in thinking that it should simply have been changed to "#if ((LCD_WIDTH != 128) || (LCD_HEIGHT != 64)) && !defined(SANSA_E200)" ?
22:45:46linuxstbWhat targets (apart from Sansa) is it not working on?
22:45:58barrywardellDoomed: i think it has been resurrected and rejected a few times already so probably not
22:46:02Doomeddamn, oh well
22:46:57bluebrotheranyone against filling three missing buttons with fixmes to make the sansa manual buildable?
22:47:01pixelmalinuxstb: that's why the check for 128 pixels width - if you want to you can change it back...
22:47:25linuxstbpixelma: Yes, I'll commit now.
22:47:39pixelmaseems to take longer than I thought :/ - the new highscore thing doesn't help me with it
22:47:41gotthardtlinuxstb: should that be a && in there
22:47:46barrywardellmidgey: i can close 3020 for you. what's the reason for closing?
22:47:47gotthardtinstead of the ||
22:48:03barrywardellbluebrother: which buttons are missing and why?
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22:48:30midgeybarrywardell: the patch is out of date and add things that are valid ofr the pc version of the decoder but things we wont decode on rockbox
22:48:33linuxstbgotthardt: No - it's disabling for 128x64 LCDs plus the Sansa.
22:48:43gotthardtok - good
22:48:44bluebrother1. toggle between modes in pitch screen. Seems not to be added to the keymap yet
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22:49:06linuxstbI'm just restoring what was there before, but without the (LCD_WIDTH != 240) && at the start.
22:49:13bluebrother2. action "enter" in tree mode. Haven't found it out
22:49:37gotthardtthanks - i was late to work trying to get patch fixed and at work i cant do cvs
22:49:43ruisuhello, about the mpegplugin , to convert a video, has anyone converted a video within linux?
22:50:29linuxstbruisu: Yes. mencoder and vlc both work.
22:50:44ruisuhmm, transcoding wmv to mpg?
22:51:02pixelmathanks linuxstb :)
22:51:27linuxstbruisu: If the video can be played with mplayer, mencoder can convert.
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22:53:53ruisuhmm, yes it can be played, but i get this error:
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22:55:29barrywardellbluebrother: for 2, enter is select
22:55:40Mikachuruisu: try -vc ffwmv3
22:56:06Mikachuwill use ffmpeg opensource decoder instead of binary dll, but it's marked as "problems" in the help output
22:56:08bluebrother3. got to parent directory from tree
22:56:17bluebrothersorry, just got distracted by a phone call
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22:56:59ruisuCannot find codec 'wmv3' in libavcodec...
22:57:13linuxstbWhat is your mencoder command-lind?
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22:57:50ruisuoh XD whats google definig
22:58:06ruisumencoder $1 -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=600 -vf scale=320:240 -o $1.mpg -vc ffwmv3
22:58:12barrywardellbluebrother: 3 should be left.
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22:59:10bluebrotherok, then I'll fix that and leave 1. empty
22:59:18bluebrotherthen it will be buildable
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22:59:41linuxstbruisu: The problem seems to be this: "[mpeg2video @ 0x87bb7ec]MPEG1/2 does not support 1000/1 fps" - the video is being detected as 1000fps...
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23:00:06ruisuyup, that is what i suspect..
23:00:30ruisuall videos i have are behaveing like this :P
23:00:30linuxstbWhat does mplayer say about the framerate?
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23:01:31ruisuwow, this is very wrong:
23:01:46Mikachuwmv files always give crazy fps in mplayer
23:01:52Mikachudoes it say 1000 fps when you play it back too?
23:01:55ruisu1000fps, 0.0bps
23:02:04Mikachui think the demuxer isn't quite right
23:02:31Mikachuwhat happens if you just say -fps 30000/1001 or whatever it should be?
23:02:38Mikachu(try mplayer first)
23:03:05ruisuwhat? where do i try?
23:03:14Mikachuat the end of your mplayer command line
23:03:46Mikachudoes it play back really slowly or just slightly wrong, or maybe even correctly?
23:03:51webguest99CVS experts here? How can I add a new file? I get "cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository" when I exec "cvs add <file>"
23:04:22Mikachuyou need write access to the repository
23:04:44webguest99Actually, I need to add a dir with some files in it
23:04:53bluebrotheryou need to use a copy you haven't checked out anonymously
23:04:57GodEaterwrite access isn't just handed out willynilly
23:05:02webguest99Mikachu: how can I get one? I'm not a committer.
23:05:08linuxstbwebguest99: If you're preparing a patch, just zip up that folder.
23:05:15ruisuhoh whait XD
23:05:29linuxstbwebguest99: And provide a patch for anything else you change.
23:05:35Mikachuruisu: that's mencoder, not mplayer
23:05:55ruisuright, got that, and its the same
23:05:56Mikachuruisu: you'll want to remove -vc ffwmv3 again too
23:05:59bluebrotheryou can also diff -u /dev/null path/to/new/file > patchfile
23:06:09Mikachui didn't see the 1000 fps thing when i suggested that
23:06:24Mikachuor diff against a clean checkout manually
23:06:30webguest99linuxstb: Aha! You write faster than I think! :-) I was about to say that some existing files were modified as well
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23:06:54ruisuyay, without the -vc ffwmv3 it worked :)
23:06:58ruisuthanks Mikachu
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23:07:18Mikachuruisu: you'll have to check which framerate is the correct one, if you care
23:07:32Mikachuif you're just encoding for mpegplayer i guess it doesn't matter if you leave frame limit off
23:08:08linuxstbWithout the correct framerate, A/V sync doesn't stand a chance...
23:08:20bluebrotherwebguest99, you can simply create a diff for the files that got modified and diff everything else against /dev/null (and append it using >>)
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23:08:24ruisuyay :) 29.970 fps
23:08:28Mikachuyeah but i was thinking benchmark
23:08:43linuxstbMaybe ruisu actually wants to watch them...
23:08:44Bagdermi4code 0.9.30 is out
23:08:45Mikachuthis is why i wanted him to try with mplayer, it is fairly obvious then if you have the correct framerate
23:08:58bluebrotherBagder, the sansa manual is now buildable.
23:09:00Mikachuyeah, i have no idea what he wants since he doesn't answer some things i say :)
23:09:05Bagderbluebrother: great!
23:09:10bluebrotherStill missing lots of stuff, but you can build it
23:09:58ruisuhehe i do want to watc them :)
23:10:53ruisuthanbks linuxstb and Mikachu :] seeya
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23:12:08linuxstbMikachu: Are you sure you tested the 176x96 version of the video? I'm surprised it's a lot slower than the ipod Color.
23:12:17Mikachume too
23:12:22Mikachui didn't use elephants dream though
23:12:33Mikachui should do that i guess
23:12:36linuxstbThat table is for Elephants Dream tests...
23:12:44Mikachuheh, i was tired
23:13:08linuxstbThe encoder also makes a big difference in speed - as you've found.
23:14:42Mikachuare these the whole movie?
23:15:17Soapdon't forget the wiki encodes are VBR, so FPS numbers taken at any point before the end are iffy.
23:15:50Soapthey are quite variable in their bitrate (which is good from a quality POV)
23:16:07peturlinuxstb: better add mpeg extension to viewers.config too?
23:16:19Mikachui managed to edit viewers.config with text_editor :)
23:16:21Mikachui had to reboot though
23:16:34*petur renamed the file - much faster :p
23:16:55Bagderbluebrother: sansa manual added on the site
23:17:04bluebrothernice :)
23:17:44Bagderand the new mi4code can decrypt the new sansa firmware upgrade
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23:19:16peturstrange... when I hoover over the elephants dream movies links, the filename has mpg extension, but when I save the link it says .mpeg
23:20:05pixelmayou hoover? ;)
23:20:19petursure ;)
23:20:36peturyes - firefox does it ok
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23:20:54barrywardellBagder: does the new mi4code just add the new sansa key, or are there other changes?
23:21:13Bagderjust the new key
23:21:45Bagdere200tool - A tool for accessing the SanDisk e200 series manufacturer mode.
23:21:50linuxstbpetur: Renaming files for you seems very broken...
23:21:53BagderMrH's latest offer
23:22:10peturlinuxstb: ?
23:22:17Mikachulinuxstb: is it okay if i check fps after half a minute or so?
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23:22:56linuxstbMikachu: You should watch it for as long as possible - the fps displayed is the average since the start of the movie.
23:23:05linuxstbpetur: You said IE renamed the downloaded files?
23:23:29SoapMikachu: My contention is that FPS taken at any arbitrary point in the movie are not comprable to anything else, as the FPS number is a running average, and the bits are not evenly distributed.
23:23:29peturit proposes a file with .mpeg extension
23:23:53Soap(bitrate being a very large contributer to FPS performance)
23:24:02Mikachubut if i wait for the movie to end, mpegplayer will exit without showing the fps
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23:24:26barrywardellBagder: where is e200tool?
23:24:43Bagderhang on
23:24:57Soapyou need to start paying attention during the credits. I never saw more than a .2 change while in the credits, but a much higher swing throughout the movie.
23:25:02Mikachualso unless the movie is very boring at the start and interesting at the end, it should approach the correct average pretty quickly
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23:25:39SoapI have a graph of the motion over time - it is not very even.
23:25:45linuxstbNo, it does change significantly, right up to the end.
23:26:09Mikachufunny, audio stopped playing and it doesn't take button input
23:26:28linuxstbYes, that's one of many bugs (although I think I've fixed that one locally).
23:26:38Mikachuah, it was near the end of the video
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23:27:13linuxstbA/V sync seems good now, but somehow I've managed to break audio playback, it's constantly a little garbled...
23:27:24Mikachuit's that way sometimes for me with cvs
23:27:37linuxstbNow it's like it always...
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23:38:45Mikachuso... rockbox shuts down from inactivity before it finishes playing the video
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23:39:22Doomedhmm theres a/v sync now?
23:40:01linuxstbMikachu: You think it shouldn't? :)
23:40:23Mikachupossibly not
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23:42:10webguest88the ipodpatcher and manual I am using must be different
23:42:27webguest88there is no -a to install the ipodbootloader.ipod
23:42:34webguest88only -w to write
23:42:52Mikachulinuxstb: optimizations for the future could be skipping audio decoding if headphones aren't in
23:42:55webguest88its a good thing I backed up the orig bootpartition
23:43:03webguest88can anyone help me
23:43:12webguest88this is for a gen 1 nano
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23:43:23webguest88black front metal back
23:43:26webguest881 gig
23:43:31linuxstbwebguest88: Download the ipodpatcher linked from the manual...
23:43:54SoapMikachu: I'd rather see a patch to enable audio playback of movies through the iPod piezo when headphones aren't in. ;)
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23:44:03webguest88it brings you too a folder
23:44:06webguest88with alot of versions
23:44:15webguest88like 2 3 and 4 for ipodpatcher
23:44:34scorchethen use the latest one...
23:44:55webguest88thats the one I am using
23:45:06webguest88and alot of the commands are not in it
23:45:11webguest88like −−scan doesn't work
23:45:33webguest88I had to guess on the drive number and look at the tracks on it
23:45:47linuxstbAre you using the latest version of the manual?
23:46:46webguest882007 looks like it
23:47:12webguest88which Ipod pacher should I use
23:47:19webguest88can you tell me that pls
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23:47:35webguest88I used the one ipodpatcher.exe
23:47:43webguest88is that not the right now
23:47:52linuxstbArgh, seems the links in the manual aren't very helpful... Just use this page:
23:48:05webguest88k thx
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23:49:03bluebrotherdamn. MIssed an auction for a h10 that ended yesterday and had no bidders :(
23:50:54Mikachucan't you just mail the guy?
23:52:00bluebrotherhmm. Maybe.
23:52:17bluebrotherlinuxstb, is there a problem with the installation links in the manual?
23:53:21linuxstbYes - it just links to the directory, which has various versions of ipodpatcher. IMO, it should link directly to the binaries, in the same way as the IpodInstallationBeta does.
23:53:51linuxstbOr, we rearrange the download directory in some way.
23:54:54*linuxstb pings Bagder
23:54:56FebsI think that the issue was that the main site was down at the time.
23:55:05bluebrotheryes, I changed that recently.
23:55:12*Bagder awakes
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23:55:41bluebrotherimo it would be best to organize the download directory different. But I can change it to something else
23:55:56linuxstbMy idea would be to change the URLs to something like - and then we can link to that top-level ipodpatcher directory.
23:56:14bluebrotherthat was my idea too.
23:56:30 Quit Febs ("Time to go home.")
23:56:35bluebrotherand the mbr files in that folder could get into /bootloader/ipod/mbr/
23:56:57linuxstbThe MBR files are linked directly from the wiki page - no need to move them...
23:57:19bluebrotherthey are? Ok.
23:57:57linuxstbYes, the IpodConversionToFAT32 page.
23:58:03Mikachuis it necessary to write "fps" in every field in the table?
23:58:24Bagderthere already are ipodpatcher-macosx and ipodpatcher-win32 etc dirs in there...
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23:59:01Bagderyou think we should have one dir and have subdirs in that for the archs?

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