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| 00:00:47 | Bagder | check now, better? |
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| 00:01:40 | bluebrother | yes :) |
| 00:01:53 | JimmyS | Hi |
| 00:02:14 | linuxstb | Bagder: Perfect, thanks. |
| 00:02:19 | bluebrother | oh, sendmail choked again? |
| 00:02:19 | Bagder | goodie |
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| 00:04:52 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Thanks for those test results. When you play the 176x128 version, and enable Limit FPS/Skip Frames, do you get any skipped frames? That's the number displayed next to the FPS. |
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| 00:06:07 | * | bluebrother just reads Febs mail and thinks it should get posted regularly like a monthly reminder |
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| 00:07:11 | Bagder | bluebrother: not at all a bad idea, I've seen it done on other lists... |
| 00:07:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: There should be a little quiz on it before allowing someone to sign up for the mailing list. :-P |
| 00:07:33 | Llorean | Though I admit, I'm guilty of overquoting. |
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| 00:07:45 | Llorean | GMail hides the quotes, and so I often forget they're there when responding. |
| 00:08:08 | bluebrother | I get monthly remainders for some mailing list (mainly mailman passwords). As that is too much disturbing I think we could do something |
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| 00:10:41 | Bagder | linux-arm-kernel sends out weekly FAQs and netiquette mails ;-) |
| 00:11:12 | bluebrother | hmm, the no fading on low power makes sense. But it doesn't seem to set that back when power comes back in |
| 00:11:43 | * | bluebrother votes for also sending out such stuff |
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| 00:20:51 | Lars_G | I wonder, recoding aside, do you think the cpu in an ipod would be able to handle mikmod? |
| 00:21:10 | Araknis | linuxstb: On my iPod Photo I also have iPodLinux installed and use there bootloader ipodloader2 |
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| 00:21:46 | Lars_G | can ipodloader load rockbox? including the new rockbox that afaik changed load method? |
| 00:22:07 | linuxstb | Araknis: loader2 doesn't load Rockbox in the right way for the COP to work. |
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| 00:22:26 | Araknis | linuxstb: On the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch I also see a bootloader-color.bin is that why my COP did not work |
| 00:22:54 | linuxstb | Araknis: Only the official Rockbox bootloader (the latest version) will work. |
| 00:23:27 | Lars_G | linuxstb: What do you think, would an ipod have enough juice to play mods? |
| 00:23:50 | linuxstb | I don't know enough about mods, but I thought there was already a patch for it? |
| 00:24:19 | Lars_G | hmmm I'll check |
| 00:25:11 | Araknis | linuxstb: can the Rockbox bootloader also load iPodLinux? |
| 00:25:34 | linuxstb | Yes. Put "linux.bin" (the Linux kernel) on your FAT32 partition, and hold PLAY whilst booting. |
| 00:26:01 | linuxstb | You can also "rolo" it, if you convert it to .ipod format using the tools/scramble tool. |
| 00:26:10 | Lars_G | that's sweet |
| 00:26:18 | Lars_G | it loads rockbox, OF and ipl |
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| 00:26:29 | Shawn_K | hey all |
| 00:26:45 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Can I ask you something? have you had any "if it's not linux then it's not good" tards? |
| 00:27:16 | Shawn_K | Lars_G: lmao, yeah...those guys exist all over |
| 00:27:27 | * | Lars_G sighs |
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| 00:28:02 | Shawn_K | Lars_G: Alot of people don't even realize the Mac OS was built ontop of a *nix system too |
| 00:28:04 | Lars_G | to be sincere I've not tried IPL because my nano's memory is small. and rockbox makes me so happy as a DAP |
| 00:28:08 | Araknis | linuxstb: But I thought iPodLinux was on a ext2 partition not on a FAT32 partition |
| 00:28:27 | linuxstb | The kernel can be wherever you want it to be. |
| 00:28:31 | Lars_G | Shawn_K: Yes and someone... I think linuxstb told me rockbox's posix anyhow |
| 00:28:36 | Bagder | Araknis: the kernel isn't loaded by linux itself |
| 00:29:12 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i'll check |
| 00:29:28 | Shawn_K | Lars_G: well, half of the code is tied to iPodlinux...so I would assume so anyways :P |
| 00:29:34 | Araknis | So will I need to reformat to change bootloaders and reinstall iPodLinux and Rockbox? |
| 00:30:00 | Bagder | "half of the code is tied to iPodlinux" ? |
| 00:30:17 | Bagder | half of what code? |
| 00:30:28 | Shawn_K | Badger: the bootloaders and all and cross-compatable...just alot of the ideas are similar to each |
| 00:31:03 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i don't appear to, not right away at least. but the fps says 21.7 |
| 00:31:16 | Mikachu | linuxstb: the timestamp numbers match up though |
| 00:32:10 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i got a small increase now, up to 50 or so |
| 00:32:20 | Mikachu | after a 5th of the movie |
| 00:33:10 | Mikachu | 186 now |
| 00:33:26 | Mikachu | seemed to be during the running sequence |
| 00:33:54 | Lars_G | ehhh ehhhhh |
| 00:33:57 | * | Lars_G thinks hard |
| 00:34:10 | Lars_G | what was the string to cvs update to have new files and dirs created? |
| 00:34:32 | Mikachu | i'm almost sure that's the default |
| 00:34:47 | Mikachu | but possibly -d |
| 00:34:56 | Lars_G | Yes I think -d is required. thanks |
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| 00:35:13 | Araknis | linuxstb: what is "rolo" it, if you convert it to .ipod format using the tools/scramble tool mean? I don't understand what "rolo" is |
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| 00:35:55 | Mikachu | rolo means you load it from rockbox |
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| 00:36:42 | Llorean | Araknis: If you use the scramble tool on the .bin file to make it a .ipod file, you can just click it from inside Rockbox to load iPL |
| 00:37:04 | Llorean | You still need the ext2 partition to exist, but to get linux to start you just click the linux.ipod file on your fat32 partition |
| 00:38:47 | Araknis | How do I change bootloaders from Loader2 to Rockbox |
| 00:40:03 | Llorean | You'll need to remove Loader2 first, which will require you kept your bootpartition.bin |
| 00:40:31 | bluebrother | rolo = "ROckbox LOader". It loads a different firmware (usually a different RB version) |
| 00:41:22 | JimmyS | can you remove the original iPod firmware and store it as a backup and install Rockbox only? |
| 00:41:27 | Araknis | Llorean: does a "rolo" waste more iPod resources (memory, etc) because Rockbox is loaded or does it release everything switching to iPodLinux |
| 00:41:49 | linuxstb | It reboots into IPL- so Rockbox disappears. |
| 00:42:06 | linuxstb | (a soft-reboot) |
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| 00:42:40 | Araknis | Does it matter how I installed iPodLinux, you have the choice of shrinking the firmware or shrinking the Fat32 Partition |
| 00:42:42 | linuxstb | Although it's not very well tested - all I (and Llorean) have tested is booting a kernel up to the point where it fails to mount the rootfs because we don't have one installed. |
| 00:43:37 | Llorean | I'm actually betting on it working though. No more than hunch, mind you, but it seems it ought to. |
| 00:43:50 | Llorean | JimmyS: Yes. |
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| 00:43:57 | linuxstb | Araknis: You could try the following with ipodpatcher - "ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin" (to make a backup of your current install). Then "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodXXXX.ipod". |
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| 00:44:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: The current iPodPatcher will probably complain though about it not detecting the apple os or whatever that complaint was? |
| 00:44:42 | bluebrother | hmm. We don't want dependencies from firmware/* to apps/*, right? |
| 00:44:54 | Llorean | You know, the topic that led to discussion the option of a −−force flag? |
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| 00:45:17 | Araknis | linuxstb: do I need bootloader-color.bin from the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch page? |
| 00:46:01 | linuxstb | Araknis: No - use the links (ipodpatcher and bootloader-ipodcolor.ipod) from the IpodInstallationBeta wiki page (or the manual). |
| 00:46:29 | linuxstb | The wiki page will be better (until the next manual is built tomorrow). |
| 00:47:04 | linuxstb | Or if you have a development environment, just compile yourself. |
| 00:48:01 | Araknis | What if I want more than one podzilla does the Rockbox bootloader handle this? That is what I liked about Loader2 I could load more than one podzilla, Apple's Firmware, etc. |
| 00:48:30 | Araknis | linuxstb: I have been trying the VMWare development image |
| 00:49:00 | linuxstb | Araknis: No, the Rockbox bootloader doesn't support the Loader2 arguments thing. |
| 00:49:09 | Araknis | linuxstb: one thing I have noticed is that mpegplayer craches in the sim |
| 00:49:23 | linuxstb | When? |
| 00:49:47 | linuxstb | i.e. immediately or at the end of the video? |
| 00:49:50 | Araknis | linuxstb: lastnight when playing the example video |
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| 00:50:02 | Araknis | linuxstb: durring the video |
| 00:50:25 | linuxstb | How long into the video? |
| 00:51:11 | Araknis | linuxstb: It did not get very far and it was late, I will check it out again tonight in the sim and see |
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| 00:56:13 | JimmyS | ah crap, what command shows the kernel ring in Linux again? |
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| 00:56:40 | bluebrother | kernel ring? |
| 00:56:48 | bluebrother | you mean uname -a? |
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| 00:57:04 | JimmyS | no, when it tells you what the kernel has just done |
| 00:57:13 | JimmyS | um, I think it was the kernel ring |
| 00:57:17 | JimmyS | hmmmm |
| 00:57:50 | linuxstb | dmesg ? |
| 00:57:54 | JimmyS | ah yep |
| 00:57:56 | JimmyS | that's it |
| 00:57:58 | JimmyS | thanks |
| 00:59:20 | bluebrother | never heard that called "kernel ring". But anyway, you found it yourself ;-) |
| 00:59:26 | Araknis-Away | Llorean: I know you said that the kernal_on_cop tracker is not a discussion page but shouldn't it be noted that it does not work with any bootloader other than the RockBox one |
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| 01:01:50 | Araknis-Away | linuxstb: would the COP patch affect iPodLinux? |
| 01:01:59 | linuxstb | Araknis: Are you able to install a new version of loader.bin if I gave you one? |
| 01:02:30 | Araknis-Away | Yes but I can not istall it now |
| 01:02:40 | Llorean | Araknis-Away: That would be feedback on the patch, so yes, it's valid to post that there. But out of curiosity, why is there any reason to expect any non-Rockbox bootloader to work with Rockbox? The problem isn't with Kernel on Cop, it's with Loader2 not doing things properly |
| 01:02:56 | JimmyS | what on earth |
| 01:02:56 | linuxstb | When you can, it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/loader.bin |
| 01:03:06 | JimmyS | it's saying that my iPod isn't an iPod |
| 01:03:06 | JimmyS | :S |
| 01:03:18 | Llorean | It's not any part of Rockbox's responsibility to maintain compatibility with non-Rockbox software, is it? |
| 01:03:30 | linuxstb | Patch is here as well: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/loader-rockbox.diff |
| 01:03:32 | Llorean | JimmyS: ipodpatcher? |
| 01:03:38 | JimmyS | yes |
| 01:03:51 | linuxstb | JimmyS: What did you do to it? |
| 01:04:06 | Araknis-Away | Llorean, iPodLinux has instructions for booting into RockBox |
| 01:04:19 | linuxstb | JimmyS: And what command are you running? |
| 01:04:22 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Each time I see you talk I read "linuxstd" |
| 01:04:29 | JimmyS | my iPod, well I just restored the original firmware from the iPod linux installer |
| 01:04:59 | Llorean | Araknis-Away: So what? If ipodlinux has instructions, they should update them to say "This doesn't work with coprocessor builds"? |
| 01:05:01 | Araknis-Away | Llorean: I have also seen many tutorials on the web to load both iPodLinux and Rockbox by installing iPodLinux first and unzipping the Rockbox zip to the ipod |
| 01:05:11 | JimmyS | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdc2 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 01:05:19 | Lars_G | Araknis-Away: why is it so hard for you to beleive the rockbox guys about this? |
| 01:05:26 | Llorean | If I write instructions on how to boot into windows from a piece of hardware I made, should Microsoft be forced to then adapt to any future changes I make to my hardware? |
| 01:05:28 | linuxstb | JimmyS: Use /dev/sdc |
| 01:05:44 | JimmyS | um, okay, if you're sure |
| 01:05:50 | linuxstb | I wrote ipodpatcher... |
| 01:05:55 | Llorean | JimmyS: He's *very* sure. :-P |
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| 01:05:56 | JimmyS | ah |
| 01:06:01 | JimmyS | sorry |
| 01:06:01 | linuxstb | And that's what the instructions say... |
| 01:06:22 | * | JimmyS must remember to read all instructions first |
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| 01:06:28 | Llorean | Araknis-Away: Again, Loader2 is NOT part of Rockbox. Just because it could do that in the past doesn't mean it'll always be able to, as THEY have to keep it up to date if they want it to work. |
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| 01:07:50 | kubiix | is it possible to realize this - press play and then switch hold for instant shut down ? |
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| 01:09:11 | JimmyS | So if I just want Rockbox, do I have to install the bootloader? |
| 01:09:13 | akjdfd | hello all |
| 01:09:52 | Lars_G | rockbox's bootloader, yes. and unzip the rockbox zip in your dev's root |
| 01:10:07 | akjdfd | I have an ipod mini 2g and read about rockbox it seems great, but i wanted to make sure that my itrip will still work any ideas? |
| 01:10:07 | Llorean | JimmyS: No, you can actually load a rockbox.ipod there instead of a bootloader.ipod, but then you have to replace it every time you update Rockbox. |
| 01:10:10 | Llorean | Lars_G: Untrue. |
| 01:10:13 | * | Lars_G feels particularily acid right now. |
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| 01:10:49 | Llorean | Lars_G: On the iPods, you can put a Rockbox.ipod in the bootpartition rather than a bootloader, if you know for absolute certainty you don't want to boot the Apple OS. The only downside is you have to repeat the step every time you update your build |
| 01:10:52 | Lars_G | Llorean: hmm? afaik OF's loader can't load rockbox |
| 01:10:53 | Llorean | It does result in faster boot times though |
| 01:11:04 | Lars_G | Ah ok. |
| 01:11:11 | linuxstb | Lars_G: It does if it's disguised as the Apple firmware... |
| 01:11:27 | Lars_G | Ah well I preffer to keep the OF around but that's ok. |
| 01:11:32 | JimmyS | how does one go about that though? |
| 01:11:36 | linuxstb | smes: No, the itrip won't work. |
| 01:11:43 | JimmyS | I can't seem to find it in the FAQ |
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| 01:11:53 | Lars_G | Llorean: Just DD the .ipod into the btldr partition, right? |
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| 01:12:09 | linuxstb | smes: You will have to boot into the Apple firmware to use it, or buy a non-proprietory FM transmitter. |
| 01:12:43 | smes | linuxstb: i have the griffin one |
| 01:12:52 | linuxstb | JimmyS: It's not an FAQ... Just do "ipodpatcher" to view the usage instructions. |
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| 01:13:30 | linuxstb | The -wf option will replace the Apple firmware in the boot partition with a rockbox.ipod (or bootloader-ipodXXX.ipod) file. |
| 01:13:46 | Lars_G | <3 ipodpatcher |
| 01:13:52 | JimmyS | ah okay, thank you linuxstb |
| 01:14:11 | * | zylche prefers doing it by hand >.> |
| 01:14:14 | smes | irc://irc.freenode.net/ipodlinux #iPodLinux on irc.FreeNode.net |
| 01:14:18 | Llorean | Lars_G: I don't think DDing will do it, I think that the first bit has to be stripped. |
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| 01:14:48 | Lars_G | crapola my nose bleeds |
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| 01:15:24 | smes | so it won't work with griffin? |
| 01:15:33 | Lars_G | smes: not in rockbox |
| 01:15:51 | Lars_G | smes: rockbox can't handle right now the ipod's serial port which is required for the griffin |
| 01:16:06 | JimmyS | hmmm, I've just done that |
| 01:16:14 | JimmyS | and it said no .rockbox directory |
| 01:16:20 | JimmyS | installation incomplete |
| 01:16:48 | Lars_G | JimmyS: did you unzip the rockbox zip in your DAP's root? |
| 01:16:59 | smes | Lars_G & linuxstb: thanks a lot for the help i'd have loved to have it work :(, any idea about the IPL ? |
| 01:17:07 | JimmyS | DAP? |
| 01:17:18 | Lars_G | smes: Neither. when one of us gets the driver the other will |
| 01:17:23 | Lars_G | JimmyS: your player |
| 01:17:51 | JimmyS | no, all I did was ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdc -wf rockbox.ipod |
| 01:18:18 | Lars_G | then you need to unzip a correct compiled rockbox zip file for your player in the root of it's file system |
| 01:18:40 | Llorean | JimmyS: You still have to install the rest of the files Rockbox needs, the .rockbox folder in rockbox.zip |
| 01:18:53 | JimmyS | ah, right thank you :) |
| 01:18:57 | JimmyS | sorry, it's late here |
| 01:20:20 | midkay | steve gotthardt.. |
| 01:20:30 | JimmyS | oh, I'm an idiot |
| 01:20:40 | JimmyS | of course Linux couldn't see it |
| 01:20:44 | JimmyS | it's a . direcotry |
| 01:21:08 | gotthardt | midkay: yo |
| 01:21:15 | midkay | ooh. there you are. :D |
| 01:21:28 | midkay | (you should add your nick to the IrcNicks page, by the way).. |
| 01:21:36 | gotthardt | ok - |
| 01:21:39 | JimmyS | so I just mv .rockbox to /mnt/sdc2 |
| 01:21:57 | midkay | just wanted to point out that you should add Gary Allen to the credits file (docs/CREDITS). |
| 01:22:29 | gotthardt | Oh - good - Ill do that |
| 01:23:15 | Lars_G | linuxstb: You're part of the team (offitial) right? |
| 01:23:35 | midkay | yeah.. pretty much everybody who submits anything that's included goes in there. i'm betting you didn't know that, but it's not your fault.. there should probably be some kind of wiki page for new committers. :) |
| 01:23:55 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Well, I have cvs commit rights, I think that's about as official as anyone gets... |
| 01:23:55 | Lars_G | Ah nevermind midkay is. |
| 01:24:12 | Lars_G | midkay: Sorry to ask this but I am wondering idly and I don't want to jump to conclusions. |
| 01:24:48 | midkay | wondering what? :) |
| 01:24:50 | linuxstb | JimmyS: It's recommended to do something like "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/sdc2" |
| 01:24:58 | Lars_G | midkay: I saw the "incident" about the guy whose patches where rejected because he wouldn't use his real name in the system, and I wondered the root of the rule. I jumped to the conclusion it's for protection of the project, to avoid anonymous patches whole legality can be doubted. am I right? |
| 01:25:24 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Better yet you got the cloak, that's the ultimate show of status :) |
| 01:25:34 | JimmyS | okay |
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| 01:25:37 | midkay | mostly that.. there were large discussions about it, the "core" guys (i.e. leaders) expressed their views on it multiple times.. legality mostly. |
| 01:25:54 | * | Lars_G nods |
| 01:25:55 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 01:26:32 | midkay | no problem. the whole discussion's probably back in earlier 2006 if you were curious (rockbox-dev list iirc). |
| 01:27:04 | Lars_G | I'll look at it |
| 01:27:05 | midkay | yeah.. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/ - "signing off" by gl. |
| 01:27:09 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 01:28:00 | JimmyS | does it matter if I unzip that as root or a normal user? |
| 01:28:57 | linuxstb | JimmyS: Whoever has rights to write to /mnt/sdc2 |
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| 01:29:17 | linuxstb | It's a FAT32 partition, so no usernames/permissions will be stored there... |
| 01:30:55 | pixelma | gotthardt: still around? |
| 01:31:22 | JimmyS | hmm, thats strange |
| 01:31:32 | JimmyS | I select a theme and nothing seems to change |
| 01:31:40 | JimmyS | it's still just black and white |
| 01:32:07 | Lars_G | maybe you selected the theme you already had |
| 01:32:23 | JimmyS | Well, I've tried it with all of them |
| 01:32:27 | pixelma | I think you're missing the fonts package |
| 01:33:01 | pixelma | you can find it on the daily builds page too |
| 01:33:13 | JimmyS | ah, thanks pixelma |
| 01:34:17 | JimmyS | just unzip it to .rockbox? |
| 01:34:22 | gotthardt | pixelma: im here now |
| 01:34:45 | pixelma | JimmyS: should be all you have to do |
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| 01:35:05 | pixelma | gotthardt: could you live with that... http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/rockblox_gigabeat.bmp |
| 01:35:31 | gotthardt | looks good! |
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| 01:36:00 | gotthardt | GB display is good for tetris... |
| 01:36:07 | Shawn_K | I keep forgetting, how is it that I disable priority threading? |
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| 01:36:11 | pixelma | do you know the code changes a bit? |
| 01:36:12 | gotthardt | being portrait |
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| 01:36:41 | Llorean | Shawn_K: You just comment out the define for it in I believe the config-target.h for whatever target |
| 01:36:48 | gotthardt | pixelma: how do you mean? |
| 01:36:55 | Shawn_K | Llorean: ok, thank you |
| 01:37:00 | Lars_G | midkay: Ah well, I'll skip big part of it, it's just some drama. Thanks a lot. |
| 01:37:28 | Shawn_K | Llorean: after messing with COP alot, I feel there must be bottlenecking going on, I want to disable that and see if it helps |
| 01:37:33 | midkay | Lars_G: sure. maybe you can hunt out the (very few) posts by the leader trio if you want (daniel stenberg, linus nielsen feltzing and bjorn stenberg) |
| 01:37:40 | gotthardt | I looked at the code quickly and saw the size and position changes for laryouts for screens - if that is what you mean |
| 01:37:59 | pixelma | gotthardt: I think RedZZR implemented additional x-coordinate defines |
| 01:38:00 | Lars_G | midkay: Daniel's post was clear and concise enough, that's all I needed |
| 01:38:11 | Llorean | Shawn_K: It helps a little bit, but the scheduler is not the whole problem. I can still make audio skip when it's alone on the second core, which implies that somehow the audio thread is being held up by something other than the scheduler. |
| 01:38:24 | Llorean | Shawn_K: Sorry, when the codec thread is alone on the second core. |
| 01:38:24 | gotthardt | pixelma: ok - so do you have a patch? or? |
| 01:38:26 | midkay | Lars_G: gotcha :) |
| 01:38:52 | JimmyS | grrrr, ffs |
| 01:39:03 | JimmyS | sorry |
| 01:39:13 | JimmyS | it's just I've done that |
| 01:39:13 | JimmyS | and it's not working |
| 01:39:18 | pixelma | I wouldn't need them anymore with this layout... but for the highscore list I cannot simply comment that define out - it's used later somewhere |
| 01:39:47 | Llorean | JimmyS: Most 'Themes' included with Rockbox *just* change the font, within the menus. If even that. |
| 01:39:50 | pixelma | gotthardt: I could prepare one for you |
| 01:39:55 | Llorean | The WPS is what will look different. |
| 01:40:48 | Shawn_K | Llorean: yeah, I still want to disable the scheduler and see how much it helps w/ my builds |
| 01:41:06 | Lars_G | The trick is very simple, look at the themes gallery, if it has a screenshot of the WPS only, most surely only the WPS screen changes |
| 01:41:17 | Lars_G | if there are shots of the file list, then that changes noticeably too |
| 01:41:24 | Shawn_K | Llorean: anyways, I can't seem to find the define for it....config-ipodvideo..h is what I am looking at |
| 01:41:42 | Llorean | It may be in the main config.h then |
| 01:41:53 | linuxstb | grep is your friend. |
| 01:41:53 | Llorean | It's... I think HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING maybe? |
| 01:42:09 | Llorean | Yeah, I grepped for it last time I needed it, but I had someone to tell me what to grep for. |
| 01:42:24 | pixelma | gotthardt: pm |
| 01:42:29 | Llorean | I think #define HAVE_PRIORITY ought to come up with a single result being the one you want |
| 01:42:40 | Shawn_K | Llorean: ok, that helps...I'll do a search |
| 01:43:46 | Shawn_K | found it, was halfway down in config.h |
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| 01:44:32 | JimmyS | where can I get some good themes? |
| 01:44:37 | Shawn_K | I finally feel like I'm starting to make meaningfull progress w/ learning and coding! ^^ |
| 01:44:49 | Shawn_K | JimmyS: rockbox-themes.org |
| 01:45:00 | Llorean | WPSGallery in the wiki. |
| 01:45:01 | JimmyS | thanks |
| 01:45:14 | JimmyS | okay, night guys, thanks for all the help :D |
| 01:45:19 | Shawn_K | Llorean: I like the url for it...makes it fast and easy ^^ |
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| 01:45:47 | Llorean | Shawn_K: That's not the URL for the wiki page. |
| 01:45:49 | Llorean | That's an entirely different page. |
| 01:46:20 | Shawn_K | hmm, maybe I should take a look at the wiki then |
| 01:46:25 | Shawn_K | anything more on the wiki? |
| 01:46:39 | Shawn_K | *as far as themes |
| 01:46:41 | Llorean | It used to be mostly identical, but it's probably skewed since then |
| 01:46:47 | Shawn_K | ok |
| 01:46:56 | Llorean | I don't pay attention, I use a very very basic theme because I don't exactly watch the screen during playback |
| 01:47:53 | Lars_G | are senab's patches CVS safe? |
| 01:48:09 | Lars_G | Llorean: I use "green" for I like clean and orderly |
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| 01:48:24 | Lars_G | and light |
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| 01:49:02 | Lars_G | too sad cover-art is so hard to nano-size |
| 01:49:15 | linuxstb | Well, the fix for loader2 is now in the IPL SVN, but I've no idea how people will get binaries - there are no daily/nightly builds. |
| 01:50:10 | linuxstb | So the answer to anyone wanting to use loader2 with a COP-build of Rockbox is to get one built after now... |
| 01:50:21 | Lars_G | linuxstb: You're a cross polinizer? |
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| 01:50:45 | linuxstb | I do my bit to keep everyone happy... |
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| 01:51:12 | Video5 | Hey people |
| 01:51:35 | Video5 | I'm sort of a newb in rb, but not stupid. :P |
| 01:51:48 | Video5 | where can I find the download of Calculator? |
| 01:52:21 | Llorean | Go to the CVS or Daily builds page, find the rockbox build for your target, and download it. |
| 01:52:21 | linuxstb | There isn't a download - all the plugins listed in the manual come with Rockbox (if they work on your device). |
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| 01:54:09 | Angry | barrywardell... One more minor question^^ (Dont worry i've got it all working now) |
| 01:54:43 | Nibbier | does anyone here speak indonesian? not eh? |
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| 01:55:07 | Llorean | Tidak. |
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| 01:55:36 | * | Llorean probably spelled that wrong, it's been too many years. |
| 01:55:54 | * | linuxstb can speak fluet indonesian but can't write it |
| 01:56:00 | linuxstb | ^fluent |
| 01:56:03 | Angry | for sure^^ |
| 01:56:14 | Nibbier | really linuxstb? might you be able to give me the meaning of a few written words? |
| 01:56:21 | barrywardell | Angry: what's the question? |
| 01:56:24 | Llorean | I suspect he's joking. |
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| 01:56:29 | linuxstb | Nibbier: Sorry, I can't read it either... |
| 01:56:31 | * | Llorean could be wrong. |
| 01:56:37 | Nibbier | hehe ok :D |
| 01:56:52 | neutralrobotboy | does anyone here know if a nes emulator has seriously been contemplated for rockbox? |
| 01:56:56 | linuxstb | Llorean: You're not wrong. |
| 01:57:00 | Llorean | I learned Indonesian something like 10 years ago, but I'd probably not be able to help you. |
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| 01:57:39 | Llorean | I just learned basics. How to order food, how to explain to people I didn't speak Indonesian, the fact that "Hati" was liver, but "Hati-hati" meant caution or beware, and that seemed rather funny at the time, and so forth. |
| 01:57:51 | Angry | You mentioned howfast the adc_scan reads... I am thinking about making something like a smoot on ten values and grab the result of this ten adc values. Do you think that would work or are this too much values and lead to a delay |
| 01:58:00 | Llorean | neutralrobotboy: Nobody has ever said they've started work on one. |
| 01:58:28 | Angry | I made a test and smoothing out ten values gives a reliable result |
| 01:58:40 | linuxstb | I think someone got one working in IPL, but the speed was extremely slow (single-figure FPS) |
| 01:59:08 | linuxstb | A search of their forums for "ines" would probably find it... |
| 01:59:14 | | Part rm |
| 01:59:15 | Angry | I could divide the touchpad in ten areas |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:32 | neutralrobotboy | ahh, alrightey. well, shame not much has been done for it. maybe it's just not meant to be. |
| 02:00:38 | Angry | but i iam not sure about the delay, cause i ve got to wait till i've collected 10 outputs from the adc_scan |
| 02:01:30 | linuxstb | neutralrobotboy: What device do you run Rockbox on? |
| 02:01:44 | neutralrobotboy | iriver h320 |
| 02:02:48 | Nibbier | hehe Llorean |
| 02:03:00 | webguest94 | somebopdy |
| 02:03:01 | webguest94 | help |
| 02:03:17 | Nibbier | lol |
| 02:03:27 | * | Llorean wonders if making Emulators as .target files instead of .rocks could allow further performance enhancements. |
| 02:03:28 | * | Nibbier grabs his mindreadingmachine |
| 02:03:45 | webguest94 | i have a 20gb rocbox |
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| 02:04:06 | webguest94 | on screen appears no opertaing system |
| 02:04:09 | Llorean | There are many 20gb players that support Rockbox. You're going to have to narrow it down a little bit. |
| 02:04:15 | webguest94 | operating system |
| 02:04:22 | neutralrobotboy | what is a .target file? |
| 02:04:35 | Llorean | neutralrobotboy: rockbox.ipod, rockbox.e200, rockbox.iriver, etc. |
| 02:04:35 | barrywardell | Angry: that's great. as long as it works |
| 02:04:39 | webguest94 | it says roc digital in the back |
| 02:04:58 | webguest94 | designed by roc digital |
| 02:05:03 | Llorean | neutralrobotboy: Basically, a stripped down version of Rockbox that instead of being a music playing firmware, is just a game emulator, you could then launch it from within Rockbox using ROLO |
| 02:05:06 | Angry | It works... uhmm, for me as a noob i could say it was fairly easy |
| 02:05:14 | Llorean | webguest94: Are you sure it's not a Rocbox then? |
| 02:05:19 | Llorean | Oh, you typed Rocbox |
| 02:05:26 | Llorean | Note, this is #Rockbox with a K |
| 02:05:39 | Llorean | This channel is for the firmware named Rockbox, not the Rocbox devices |
| 02:05:43 | barrywardell | Angry: have you tested it with the button driver? |
| 02:05:52 | webguest94 | operating system is not found |
| 02:05:56 | webguest94 | what can i do? |
| 02:06:03 | Llorean | webguest94: This channel is for the firmware named Rockbox, not the Rocbox devices |
| 02:06:13 | webguest94 | ok |
| 02:06:21 | Llorean | I suggest you contact technical support. |
| 02:06:25 | neutralrobotboy | Llorean: ahh, i see. ahh, well. i'm not coding an emulator anytime soon, so i guess this is all academic. hehe. |
| 02:06:26 | webguest94 | what should i do? |
| 02:06:37 | Llorean | I just told you that you shouldn't be asking here. |
| 02:06:43 | Llorean | This channel has *nothing* to do with your player. |
| 02:06:49 | Angry | not yet... I think i could optimize it a bit more and afterwards i thought about making the dragging logic |
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| 02:07:08 | Llorean | neutralrobotboy: It was just an idea I had. It might allow for more optimizations since you're not reserving IRAM for the codecs and such. |
| 02:07:08 | barrywardell | hopefully it won't be too resource intensive |
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| 02:07:33 | barrywardell | Angry: i think there is an ipod patch for dragging logic in the tracker. might be worth a look |
| 02:07:40 | Angry | Because of that i didnt wanted to make such a big procedure to flatten the unwanted values |
| 02:07:48 | barrywardell | it's basically the same idea for the h10, but without wrapping the values |
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| 02:08:17 | Angry | So again do you think it could work by taking 10 values |
| 02:08:18 | neutralrobotboy | Llorean: makes sense , i suppose. heh, now to find some poor sucker to actually do it! |
| 02:08:28 | Angry | no delay |
| 02:08:30 | Angry | ? |
| 02:09:15 | barrywardell | i'm really not sure |
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| 02:09:49 | barrywardell | i don't know how fast adc_scan really is |
| 02:10:07 | Angry | So i think i'll just try it... if it works in the plugin (which i suppose has a much greater dealy) it should work |
| 02:10:39 | Angry | much greater delay= cause iz produces a visual output |
| 02:12:05 | Angry | But if i've got it ready.... PLEASE take a look at it Barry^^ there are several ways of coding... In C i may get things working... but i think someone should take a look over it afterwards^^ |
| 02:13:02 | barrywardell | Angry: I will be away skiing for the next week, but will be sure to check it out first thing when I get back. don't be shy to remind me :) |
| 02:13:14 | Angry | i will ;-) |
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| 02:19:09 | Video5_5g | hey, i've downloaded a game package in ipodlinux wiki |
| 02:19:21 | Video5_5g | id doesnt work on rockbox right? |
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| 02:20:10 | Mouser_X | Do Windows programs work in Mac OSX? |
| 02:20:30 | Mouser_X | I'm pretty sure the answer to that is the same as the answer to your question, Video5_5g. |
| 02:20:47 | linuxstb | Video5_5g: You're right. |
| 02:20:58 | Mouser_X | Ah, I misread the question. |
| 02:21:08 | Video5_5g | Darn. |
| 02:21:08 | Mouser_X | :/ |
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| 02:21:27 | Video5_5g | Where can I find iGems for rockbox? |
| 02:21:44 | linuxstb | Maybe the Jewels plugin is what you want. |
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| 02:22:07 | Video5_5g | yes |
| 02:22:20 | Video5_5g | but I mean, i go on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginJewels |
| 02:22:29 | Video5_5g | and all i see is a png dl... |
| 02:23:01 | linuxstb | All those plugins come installed with Rockbox already. |
| 02:23:30 | strabes | I'm trying to uninstall rockbox from my ipod. When I try to run "bash ipodpatcher" I get a message saying "ipodpatcher: ipodpatcher: cannot execute binary file" |
| 02:23:46 | Video5_5g | no wai. :o |
| 02:24:45 | Video5_5g | wait, i cant find the plugins... |
| 02:25:09 | linuxstb | strabes: Why are you running "bash ipodpatcher" ? |
| 02:25:51 | linuxstb | Just do "./ipodpatcher" |
| 02:27:27 | Video5_5g | If everything's already on iPod, how do i get it working? |
| 02:27:42 | linuxstb | Go to the main menu (press MENU), then Browse Plugins |
| 02:28:03 | Video5_5g | oh ok |
| 02:28:04 | Video5_5g | ty |
| 02:28:05 | Video5_5g | bye bye |
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| 02:32:26 | Shawn_K | I think I may have come across a big discovery on COP...now to compile and see the results |
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| 02:38:02 | debauched_sloth | sure did not check it in |
| 02:38:08 | debauched_sloth | whoops |
| 02:38:24 | strabes | ok i'm in the process of uninstalling rockbox. I ran the command ./ipodpatcher -w /dev/sdb bootpartition.bin |
| 02:38:39 | strabes | but now when I start up my ipod, the rockbox firmware starts |
| 02:38:51 | strabes | but just has an error so it goes to the original |
| 02:39:03 | strabes | how do I totally get rid of rockbox? |
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| 02:44:27 | linuxstb | strabes: What did that ipodpatcher command tell you? |
| 02:44:45 | linuxstb | The syntax you've used it wrong... |
| 02:44:56 | linuxstb | ^is wrong |
| 02:46:48 | Shawn_K | what exactly is IBSS_ATTR? |
| 02:47:05 | Shawn_K | comparaed to IDATA_ATTR |
| 02:47:53 | preglow | bss is uninitialised data |
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| 02:48:23 | preglow | just a hint telling the linker that the data contained in the section doesn't need to occupy space in the file |
| 02:48:33 | preglow | it'll all be zeroed upon loading |
| 02:48:58 | preglow | IDATA_ATTR should only be used for variables that are initialised to some value |
| 02:49:05 | Shawn_K | ok, thank you |
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| 03:14:49 | Araknis-Away | linuxstb: I see that you said "the fix for loader2 is now in the IPL SVN" does this mean I can use the bootloader ipodloader2 for the COP, and don't need the Rockbox bootloader? |
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| 03:15:12 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 03:16:07 | Araknis | linuxstb: you mean Yes I can use the new ipodloader2 for COP? |
| 03:16:31 | linuxstb | That's the question you just asked... |
| 03:17:04 | statikk | hi guys, need help. I think I just managed to brick my ipod nano. I installed rockbox and all was fine for a day. But, today I added a new theme(Z-Nano) and when I tried to play a song it just stopped... still :( help please |
| 03:17:08 | Araknis | I know I just didn't understand you answer |
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| 03:17:46 | linuxstb | statikk: Hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds. |
| 03:17:55 | statikk | doesn't help. |
| 03:18:28 | Llorean | Then you either aren't holding it long enough, or have wiggled the finger on Menu triggering a scroll. |
| 03:18:42 | statikk | i cant get it to restart, it doesnt show as a drive anymore when i connect it,,, ipod patcher doesn't find it anymore |
| 03:18:58 | statikk | erm |
| 03:19:03 | statikk | i'm an idiot :D |
| 03:19:07 | Llorean | Hold was on? |
| 03:19:12 | statikk | ... |
| 03:19:19 | preglow | been there, done that |
| 03:19:28 | statikk | sry, sry sry... |
| 03:19:31 | Llorean | Usually "I'm an idiot" is followed by "I forgot I had hold on." |
| 03:19:33 | Llorean | :) |
| 03:19:39 | statikk | :D thx guys |
| 03:19:53 | statikk | i thought i had a really shiny brick here.... |
| 03:20:01 | preglow | even i've done that and asked here, and i coded the bloody ipod startup code |
| 03:20:18 | statikk | :) |
| 03:20:28 | statikk | thx again, I go play with my rockbox now |
| 03:20:54 | Llorean | So far nobody has managed to brick an iPod successfully. |
| 03:21:12 | Mouser_X | Give me an iPod, and I'll see what I can do! |
| 03:21:24 | Mouser_X | (I'd never intentionally brick it, if I paid for it...) |
| 03:21:51 | Mouser_X | Yah, I doubt it's going to happen (both that someone would give me one, and that I'd actually brick the thing). |
| 03:21:53 | Llorean | I'll tell you what, send me an iPod you've bricked with Rockbox without writing over the contents of Flash, and if it's really bricked, I'll buy you two. If it's not though, I get to keep it. Sound fair? |
| 03:22:06 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 03:22:08 | Araknis | linuxstb: A Big Thank you for fixing the loader2 :) I see it was you who made the change in the iPodLinux SVN |
| 03:22:59 | Mouser_X | Llorean: The deal makes sense. I, however, am far too much of a cheapskate to take you up on it. |
| 03:23:32 | Mouser_X | Besides, I doubt I'd brick it, unless I caused some hardware faults. |
| 03:23:38 | Shawn_K | see ya guys, I'm out... |
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| 03:23:47 | Mikachu | if he does brick it, how will you determine whether or not he overwrote the flash? |
| 03:24:10 | goffa | debauched_sloth: you here? |
| 03:24:47 | Llorean | Mikachu: I don't really know. :) |
| 03:24:57 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 03:25:02 | preglow | apple voodoo |
| 03:25:11 | Llorean | Honestly though, short of melting individual components intentionally with strange codes, or writing to flash, it shouldn't be brickable. |
| 03:25:18 | Llorean | code |
| 03:25:50 | gotthardt | hey goffa - whats up? |
| 03:25:50 | * | linuxstb can think of a way to at least give the impression of a brick |
| 03:25:50 | Mouser_X | That's what I figure. |
| 03:25:58 | gotthardt | glad to see you here |
| 03:26:08 | goffa | just wondering about that last commit... that the one that lets the screen shut off completely? |
| 03:26:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Impression of a brick? |
| 03:26:34 | gotthardt | no - he fixed the reads - he found the problem and nailed it |
| 03:26:43 | goffa | ah.. cool |
| 03:26:44 | preglow | linuxstb: the good old sleep pcf with no wakeup? |
| 03:26:59 | gotthardt | i have to finish the buttons and fade to off - this weekend |
| 03:27:00 | linuxstb | preglow: That's the one.... A very long sleep. |
| 03:27:10 | Mikachu | and menu+select doesn't override that? |
| 03:27:13 | goffa | building |
| 03:27:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does that survive a battery disconnect/reconnect? |
| 03:27:36 | linuxstb | Llorean: No, that's the way to recover IIUC. |
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| 03:28:05 | Mikachu | too bad you can't disconnect batteries on ipods :) |
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| 03:28:26 | Mikachu | (easily) |
| 03:28:27 | Llorean | Mikachu: I have scissors. :-P |
| 03:28:35 | Llorean | It's the reconnecting that's slightly more problematic |
| 03:29:05 | Mikachu | ah yes, disassembling is usually the easy part |
| 03:29:20 | Mouser_X | Someone said that you can replace the batteries in an iPod in 10 minutes, or less... |
| 03:29:29 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Depends on which model iPod. |
| 03:29:34 | Mouser_X | I thought it was in here, but I'm far to lazy to search the logs. |
| 03:29:38 | Mouser_X | Ah, true. |
| 03:29:39 | Llorean | Some it's a simple connectors. Others involve solder. |
| 03:29:43 | Mouser_X | I wouldn't know. |
| 03:29:52 | * | Llorean seems to enjoy pluralizing singular words tonight. |
| 03:30:54 | Mikachu | a cheap pastime |
| 03:31:22 | Mikachu | i mean a cheap pastimes |
| 03:31:57 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 03:33:01 | preglow | hahas |
| 03:33:09 | * | Llorean rolls his eye. |
| 03:33:33 | Mouser_X | So, missing one? :P |
| 03:33:49 | * | Mikachu laugh |
| 03:34:59 | Mouser_X | *So, missing one? .P |
| 03:35:19 | preglow | hahaha |
| 03:35:21 | preglow | s |
| 03:35:28 | preglow | THIS SKETCH IS SILLY |
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| 03:37:02 | Llorean | Man, a lot of Rockblox commits. |
| 03:37:16 | * | Llorean is still impressed with it on Player. |
| 03:37:48 | goffa | cool... the random codec failures seem to be gone |
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| 03:39:57 | Mikachu | good nights |
| 03:40:55 | gotthardt | goffa: cool - he found the problem - misaligned buffers - hes a genius... |
| 03:41:13 | goffa | agreed |
| 03:41:32 | linuxstb | Why did that only affect the Gigabeat? |
| 03:41:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Could it be "screeching whitenoise" on iPods? |
| 03:42:12 | gotthardt | not sure - but misaligned buffers was the prob |
| 03:42:15 | linuxstb | Or are we talking about the ATA fix? |
| 03:42:24 | debauched_sloth | yes |
| 03:42:27 | gotthardt | he DMAs the aligned and byte copies misaligned |
| 03:42:42 | gotthardt | this is in the ATA DMA |
| 03:42:48 | gotthardt | for GB specific |
| 03:42:48 | debauched_sloth | and linuxstb suggested this way back |
| 03:43:10 | debauched_sloth | though I still think this should work and I have a problem with cache clears on odd boundary buffers |
| 03:43:42 | debauched_sloth | gotthardt: note that if we require even boundary buffers, we need to go into the sound code... |
| 03:44:06 | gotthardt | so be it - i think it should be done - wont hurt |
| 03:44:17 | gotthardt | and will help maybe more than GB |
| 03:44:46 | debauched_sloth | think it will, it should help just about everywhere |
| 03:45:00 | gotthardt | using the aligned buffs is good - we just have to make sure we dont break anything making them aligned ;) |
| 03:45:16 | debauched_sloth | seems worth it to waste a few bytes here and there |
| 03:45:33 | gotthardt | heh - its all buffer anyways |
| 03:45:44 | debauched_sloth | true |
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| 03:46:18 | * | Mouser_X dies |
| 03:47:35 | DeathDealer01 | hmm i want to liten to this flac song but everytime i do it the itunes songs plays ? |
| 03:48:20 | Llorean | "The iTunes song"? |
| 03:48:38 | Llorean | Do you have two songs with the exact same information in the tags, but in different format, both indexed by Database? |
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| 03:51:48 | debauched_sloth | gotthardt: are you going to slide in lcd_enable() in your updates? :) |
| 03:51:55 | debauched_sloth | I keep doing that one manually here |
| 03:52:20 | gotthardt | ill take a look that will prob be after i get the rest stable |
| 03:52:38 | gotthardt | but the backlight off will be in there next time |
| 03:52:43 | gotthardt | small savings |
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| 03:53:20 | gotthardt | thanks for reminding me |
| 03:53:28 | debauched_sloth | nope, still cannot play AAC here |
| 03:53:46 | debauched_sloth | everything else looks good, but no AAC |
| 03:54:04 | debauched_sloth | My hammer test passed half a million block reads |
| 03:54:40 | gotthardt | is your GB hot now? |
| 03:56:55 | DeathDealer01 | no I mean I have songs on before |
| 03:57:07 | DeathDealer01 | I made a folder and called it flac |
| 03:57:17 | debauched_sloth | gotthardt: warmish |
| 03:57:32 | DeathDealer01 | it showed up but everytime I try to play it plays something else |
| 03:57:34 | DeathDealer01 | on the root |
| 03:57:50 | gotthardt | how long has it been running? |
| 03:57:59 | debauched_sloth | I don't know, 4 hours? |
| 03:58:11 | gotthardt | not bad at all |
| 03:58:18 | debauched_sloth | test, only an hour |
| 03:58:37 | gotthardt | disk always spinning - yes? |
| 03:59:23 | Llorean | DeathDealer01: Are you pressing Play? |
| 03:59:39 | debauched_sloth | spinning, seeking |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:25 | DeathDealer01 | yeah |
| 04:02:12 | Llorean | DeathDealer01: Play resumes the last playlist. Try using Select |
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| 04:11:00 | DeathDealer01 | ok I got it sweet |
| 04:12:26 | DeathDealer01 | so much you can do with this |
| 04:12:41 | DeathDealer01 | now is rockbox linux or no |
| 04:13:47 | scorche | no |
| 04:17:12 | DeathDealer01 | also you can play video on the nano with this right |
| 04:19:05 | Llorean | Somewhat |
| 04:19:05 | Llorean | It's not finished yet |
| 04:19:28 | DeathDealer01 | ok |
| 04:19:38 | DeathDealer01 | you guys really do a great job |
| 04:19:47 | DeathDealer01 | I program too what language is this |
| 04:19:58 | goffa | c |
| 04:20:05 | DeathDealer01 | I would love to write some stuff |
| 04:20:10 | DeathDealer01 | oh ok |
| 04:20:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: You present? |
| 04:20:40 | DeathDealer01 | are you using a certain library then |
| 04:20:58 | DeathDealer01 | special made one for compression |
| 04:21:22 | DeathDealer01 | what would I need to start writing programs |
| 04:21:46 | goffa | i'm not the right one to ask on that |
| 04:21:50 | debauched_sloth | DeathDealer01: there is a page on the wiki which explains it |
| 04:21:56 | DeathDealer01 | k |
| 04:22:27 | debauched_sloth | in a nutshell, you pull the code from CVS, install a gcc cross compiler (if you want to target a device - you don't need a x-compiler for the simulator) and go to town |
| 04:22:52 | debauched_sloth | on linux this is all very easy. on windows, you can use cygwin or setup a virtual machine |
| 04:23:08 | Llorean | DeathDealer01: The video is just MPEG1 or MPEG2 with MP3 audio. |
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| 04:24:52 | debauched_sloth | linuxstb should speak to that, I have only played with it very briefly |
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| 04:37:06 | Llorean | Bagder: Ping? |
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| 05:15:42 | Llorean | Anyone know if .fnt is documented anywhere outside of the actual files that work with it? |
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| 05:20:31 | scorche | there is a page about it in the wiki |
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| 05:21:22 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FontFormat |
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| 05:21:36 | Llorean | scorche: Thanks. I searched, but not successfully |
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| 05:25:36 | Llorean | scorche: Know what noffset is? |
| 05:28:10 | scorche | i think it is the number of bits in a page |
| 05:28:22 | Llorean | Ah |
| 05:30:35 | Llorean | I have someone asking me about the format. |
| 05:31:04 | Llorean | She wants to create a font, and thinks manipulating the .fnt format would be easier (or perhaps just more fun) than getting a BDF tool working |
| 05:31:11 | scorche | not really |
| 05:31:14 | scorche | fontforge is easy |
| 05:32:59 | Llorean | Yeah, I know, but I think she doesn't want to set up Cygwin/VMWare/etc |
| 05:33:00 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 05:33:02 | Llorean | At least not yet |
| 05:33:11 | Llorean | Plus, she's a JAVA programmer. They're all a bit weird. |
| 05:33:38 | scorche | ick |
| 05:35:05 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 05:35:20 | Mouser_X | (@ "she's a JAVA programmer. They're all a bit weird.") |
| 05:35:24 | Llorean | It's weird, basically every female I know in person that programs does so in JAVA. |
| 05:36:11 | scorche | well, females are a bit weird too |
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| 05:37:50 | Llorean | Can't deny that one. |
| 05:41:02 | scorche | as you shouldnt |
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| 05:45:35 | XavierGr | oops |
| 05:45:42 | XavierGr | forgot the slash :P |
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| 08:10:22 | tychver | anyone played around with encoding a video suitable for playing on the ipod video in mpegplayer? |
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| 08:10:59 | Llorean | Only iPod Nano here. |
| 08:11:09 | Llorean | You're probably better off waiting for the plugin to be in a more usable state. |
| 08:11:12 | Llorean | And maybe a few optimizations. |
| 08:12:28 | tychver | yeah, I was trying to create a video with a similar bitrate to the ones that you were using on the nano so I encoded a 320x240 video at 15fps |
| 08:13:29 | tychver | mpeg2 video, mpeg3 audio, vbitrate of 256 and a abitrate of 128 |
| 08:15:10 | tychver | used the relevant COP patch too |
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| 08:16:36 | Llorean | vbitrate of 256 probably looks very bad at 320x240 |
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| 08:18:44 | tychver | not as bad as you would think actually, I played them in mplayer too see what it would be like, it was watchable |
| 08:20:08 | Llorean | Yeah, I tried lowering it down to 128 for Nano. These were TV encodes, so the quality wasn't great anyway, and 128 is actually watchable though compression artifacts are noticeable even on the tiny screen. |
| 08:20:22 | Llorean | But I had a goal of fitting 5 seasons of a TV show on a 4gb Nano, I wasn't too concerned with visual quality |
| 08:20:39 | atrus | b5? |
| 08:21:13 | atrus | Llorean: what show? :) |
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| 08:22:24 | tychver | I don't think I got very many artifects, although I only watched a couple of minutes of video and it was a very slow scene |
| 08:22:42 | tychver | it was encoded from a very high quality mpeg4 |
| 08:22:47 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Are there plans (at all, obviously not soon) to add support for AVI, DivX, and XviD? I'm only curious, because it would save re-encoding a bunch of stuff. If not, no big deal. I was simply curious. |
| 08:23:48 | tychver | support for avi as a container format wouldn't be too hard, mpeg 4 codecs (divx and xvid) are far too cpu heavy to contemplate on anything other than a gigabeat |
| 08:24:25 | * | Mouser_X is getting a Gigabeat... |
| 08:24:32 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 08:25:32 | tychver | you shouldn't use AVI anyway |
| 08:26:16 | tychver | it causes a massive overhead and has compatability issues with more modern codecs |
| 08:26:21 | tychver | like xvid |
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| 08:26:31 | Llorean | atrus: Get Smart. |
| 08:26:31 | tychver | which is ironic seen as that's what it's most used for |
| 08:26:58 | Llorean | Mouser_X: I don't believe there are any plans for MPEG-4 or alternate containers at the moment. |
| 08:26:58 | atrus | Llorean: also a good choice |
| 08:27:23 | Llorean | Mouser_X: But I'm *sure* that one day there will be an MPEG-4 decoder for Rockbox. There's already a very little bit of a start at one in the tracker. |
| 08:27:45 | tychver | matroska or "mp4" (mpeg4 part 14) are much better, hence why apple used mp4 containers for the ipod vidoe format |
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| 08:28:36 | Llorean | tychver: MP4 seems more likely in the end, for mpeg4 video. |
| 08:28:51 | Llorean | Seeing as there's already a bit of an MP4 container parser used for AAC / ALAC |
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| 08:29:37 | tychver | yeah that's very true, matroska is usually only used where subtitle support is essential |
| 08:30:03 | Mouser_X | Bah. Thanks for the answers. I had to read the logs to see them though. |
| 08:30:17 | Llorean | Heh |
| 08:30:32 | Llorean | But you'll still probably need to convert your video |
| 08:30:40 | Mouser_X | I figured. |
| 08:30:40 | Llorean | Even if MPEG-4 support is added, you'd need to pre-scale it to your screen. |
| 08:30:50 | Mouser_X | Ah, good point. |
| 08:31:56 | Mouser_X | Also, instead of " :P " I should have used " ;) " as it doesn't imply haughtyness/rudeness as much. |
| 08:32:02 | Llorean | So the only argument for MPEG-4 would become either better visual quality, or better battery life (less disk spinups even if more decode time) |
| 08:32:10 | Mouser_X | (Which :P can, depending how you want to interpret it.) |
| 08:32:52 | Mouser_X | Well, I can re-encode. I was just curious to know what I might able to expect in the future. |
| 08:33:28 | Mouser_X | *might be able |
| 08:35:25 | Llorean | I wouldn't be at all surprised to see MPEG-4 available in the future, but it might be years yet. |
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| 08:35:34 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 08:36:01 | Mouser_X | Understandable. Rockbox has been in development for like, 4 years, hasn't it? |
| 08:36:15 | Mouser_X | At least, I saw some dates going back to 2002, as I recall. |
| 08:38:35 | Llorean | I'm honestly not sure when it started. |
| 08:39:01 | Llorean | I consider myself one of "the new guys" still. |
| 08:39:04 | Mouser_X | Oh. |
| 08:39:10 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 08:39:13 | Llorean | I'm just deceptively not new seeming. |
| 08:39:36 | Mouser_X | Well, I've been in the channel for a week, maybe... |
| 08:39:37 | Llorean | People keep mistaking me for a developer. I need a mask that says /rockbox/not_a_developer/Llorean |
| 08:39:39 | Mouser_X | You've definatly got me beat there. |
| 08:39:50 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 08:40:00 | tychver | yeah I thought you were a developer too |
| 08:40:10 | Mouser_X | I keep forgetting that you're not... |
| 08:40:22 | Llorean | I just listen a lot, and try very hard to remember. |
| 08:40:27 | scorche | 2001-ish |
| 08:41:08 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
| 08:41:15 | scorche | Llorean: you are just as good as one ;) |
| 08:41:17 | Mouser_X | So, nearly 5 years... |
| 08:41:21 | scorche | minus the programming aspect... |
| 08:41:32 | Llorean | scorche: I've once more been branded a villain on the mailing list, I think. :) |
| 08:41:51 | scorche | meh...who cares ;) |
| 08:41:59 | Llorean | I was beginning to worry because Misticriver seems to have stopped hating me these days, and nobody on the forums was calling me totalitarian any more. |
| 08:42:46 | scorche | looks like you need to step it up again |
| 08:42:57 | Llorean | One day I'll write a plugin of some sort, or fix a bug and post a patch or something, just so I can say "Yes, I've done Rockbox programming." |
| 08:43:12 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 08:43:24 | scorche | you havent gotten a patch committed yet? |
| 08:43:31 | Llorean | scorche: Not directly. |
| 08:43:45 | Mouser_X | Want to try your hand at porting a player to Rockbox? |
| 08:43:51 | Mouser_X | I've got a suggestion... |
| 08:43:54 | Llorean | Usually it goes "Llorean: Theres a problem on line X of Y.c" "Dev: Oh, let me go and fix that" |
| 08:44:05 | Mouser_X | (I don't actually expect you to take up that offer.) |
| 08:44:08 | Llorean | When like, someone asks me to try out a patch before they commit it. |
| 08:44:14 | scorche | ah |
| 08:44:22 | Llorean | Though I did do part of the dice plugin |
| 08:44:29 | scorche | even i have a few patches that have been committed =/ |
| 08:44:34 | scorche | haha |
| 08:44:36 | Llorean | Mostly a few keymaps and modifying it so that it fits a few screens. |
| 08:44:47 | amiconn | Mouser_X, scorche: rockbox is already older than 5 years |
| 08:45:01 | amiconn | It started 7 Dec 2001 |
| 08:45:16 | scorche | amiconn: i just said 2001 |
| 08:46:35 | amiconn | /ping lostlogic |
| 08:46:55 | Llorean | Can someone with commit access do me a favour in regards to the manual? |
| 08:47:10 | * | Llorean really should just ask for commit access by this point. |
| 08:47:18 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 08:49:11 | scorche | i would, but i dont really know tex |
| 08:49:20 | Llorean | scorche: It should just be a matter of editing a line. |
| 08:49:55 | Llorean | The ipod installation says ipodpatcher N -r (or -w or -a), but the uninstallation says ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin, the -w and the N are in the wrong order, and the new ipodpatcher cares about the order. |
| 08:50:45 | scorche | aye...but i still need a bit mroe |
| 08:50:50 | Llorean | Ah |
| 08:50:52 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 08:50:55 | scorche | learning that is...both C and tex |
| 08:51:13 | Llorean | The line itself won't kill anyone if it's there for another few days. |
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| 08:58:17 | lavid | I don't know if this has been reported yet, but the new sansa firmware doesn't load using the rockbox bootloader for the e2x0 |
| 08:58:28 | lavid | I'm using a decrypted firmware |
| 08:59:12 | Llorean | What happens? |
| 08:59:19 | lavid | nothing |
| 08:59:27 | lavid | it just says "loading original firmware" |
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| 08:59:40 | lavid | and hangs there |
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| 09:02:50 | decayedcell | anyone know where pdflatex is in cygwin |
| 09:03:26 | amiconn | You need to install the tetex packages |
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| 09:04:08 | decayedcell | cheers |
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| 09:07:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:09:10 | lavid | Llorean: I'm sure a recovery mode restore to an older FW and then to Rockbox will fit it all up... I'll let you know if I experience otherwise |
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| 09:11:16 | Llorean | lavid: Assuming you can recovery mode restore to an older firmware, I thought Sandisk said you can't downgrade. |
| 09:11:40 | bernard__ | hello ! |
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| 09:11:58 | bernard__ | I have a question regarding rockbox on the gigabeat |
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| 09:12:31 | Mouser_X | Then I'd recommend that you ask it. |
| 09:12:48 | Mouser_X | Unfortunatly, our telepaths are already in bed. |
| 09:12:49 | perldiver | oh well |
| 09:12:57 | bernard__ | I would like to know if we can still choose to boot the original firmware when rockbox is installed |
| 09:13:11 | decayedcell | hmm |
| 09:13:18 | decayedcell | wat are the keys for iPod Simulator |
| 09:13:28 | bernard__ | because i NEED THE usb otg FEATURE ON A TRIP |
| 09:13:37 | bernard__ | oops, sorry for the caps lock |
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| 09:13:39 | Llorean | decayedcell: There's a bitmap with it that shows the buttons to press. |
| 09:13:50 | Mouser_X | I'd say the answer is yes, due to the fact that that's one of the goals of Rockbox. Being able to dual boot, if need be. |
| 09:13:53 | Zeraphe | iPod Simulator? |
| 09:14:05 | Mouser_X | ^ @ bernard__ |
| 09:14:50 | bernard__ | ok, and do you know the button to press at boot or something like this, <Mouser_X> ? |
| 09:15:11 | bernard__ | I remember a friend of mine who had a iriver H120 could do that |
| 09:15:17 | Llorean | Mouser_X: I'd say it definitely does, because the installation instructions say that the original firmware needs to be renamed to a specific name for the purposes of dual boot. :) |
| 09:15:25 | Llorean | Unfortunately, I have no clue what button needs to be held. |
| 09:15:31 | Mouser_X | bernard__: No, I don't... I don't use Rockbox yet. |
| 09:15:43 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Ah, good point. I forgot about that. |
| 09:16:01 | * | Mouser_X has no portable player to put Rockbox on, yet. |
| 09:16:18 | Llorean | Mouser_X: I don't have a Gigabeat, but I try to keep familiar with as many players as I can. |
| 09:16:33 | Mouser_X | Which is a good idea. |
| 09:16:41 | bernard__ | I guess I will try to install rockbox and maintain a button pressed to see what happens |
| 09:16:47 | Llorean | bernard__: It will most likely either be hold one specific button down while booting, or boot with the hold switch on. |
| 09:17:09 | Mouser_X | bernard__: Or you could, you know, read the manual. I'm sure the button presses are in there. |
| 09:17:18 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Well, saying "The answer to your question is in the manual" when it's not causes you to lose all semblance of authority. :) |
| 09:17:21 | perldiver | dual boot is not supported yet |
| 09:17:26 | Mouser_X | Oh, it's not? |
| 09:17:32 | Mouser_X | I thought it was. |
| 09:17:35 | Llorean | That's unfortunate. |
| 09:17:36 | Mouser_X | :/ |
| 09:17:43 | perldiver | it doesnt work at this stage |
| 09:17:43 | Llorean | What's holding it up? |
| 09:17:56 | * | Mouser_X has not throroughly read the manual... |
| 09:18:00 | perldiver | you have to rename/delete/etc files manually |
| 09:18:34 | decayedcell | zeraphe ipod simulator build |
| 09:19:29 | bernard__ | ok |
| 09:19:51 | bernard__ | that's what I could understand from the manual, but I was not sure and I nourrished some hope |
| 09:20:08 | bernard__ | then I'll have to use the original firmware for 2 months |
| 09:20:20 | bernard__ | I can start the gigabeat room |
| 09:20:47 | bernard__ | but after my trip, I'll defintely use rockbox |
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| 09:22:18 | Zeraphe | So, is that how it works? I knew that the devices that depended on serial for I/O weren't supported - that goes for just output too? |
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| 09:22:56 | Zeraphe | I just installed yesterday, haven't had a chance to test it with the iTrip. |
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| 09:28:31 | perldiver | latest builds damage WPS on gigabeat |
| 09:28:39 | perldiver | theres an obscure extra line |
| 09:28:56 | perldiver | i cant figure out where it comes from |
| 09:29:52 | Jsunu | it has something to do with the progress bar |
| 09:30:59 | Jsunu | when you use a graphical progress bar it offests the edge of it by one pixel |
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| 09:32:53 | linux_jones | is anyone out there? |
| 09:33:16 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 09:33:21 | Mouser_X | You are not alone. |
| 09:33:53 | lavid | Llorean: Sansa says you can't flash to the new FW and the flash to an older ver but what I did was simply decrypt the new beta FW and save it in the system dir. as OF.BIN |
| 09:35:03 | linux_jones | sansa! |
| 09:35:14 | linux_jones | i have one of those |
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| 09:35:36 | lavid | linux_jones: yeah, I thought they only made one; the one I bought! |
| 09:35:49 | perl|wtf | heh well rockblox works |
| 09:35:50 | perl|wtf | but |
| 09:35:56 | perl|wtf | pacman is broken |
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| 09:36:27 | Mouser_X | Tetris is where it's at, though. |
| 09:36:28 | linux_jones | can i do anything intresting with my sansa e250? |
| 09:37:07 | lavid | linux_jones: you can brick it or play doom on it, but not much else |
| 09:37:13 | Mouser_X | Yes, there's lots of interesting things you can do with a sansa e250. Some of them even include Rockbox. |
| 09:37:37 | lavid | the ones that include rockbox do not include sound |
| 09:37:48 | Mouser_X | This is true. |
| 09:37:53 | Llorean | Yet |
| 09:37:54 | linux_jones | haha i have read that |
| 09:38:15 | linux_jones | anything with the zune yet? |
| 09:38:59 | perl|wtf | oh text editor is broken as well |
| 09:39:08 | perl|wtf | alot of plugins are broken for gigabeat |
| 09:39:14 | perl|wtf | now that im going through them |
| 09:39:14 | Mouser_X | D: |
| 09:39:59 | Llorean | Well some gigabeat owner needs to fix them then. |
| 09:40:01 | Llorean | :) |
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| 09:56:03 | linux_jones | how long will it be before the sansa e250 is suported/ |
| 09:56:08 | linux_jones | or how can i help |
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| 09:59:47 | Llorean | linux_jones: It's basically impossible to predict how long. |
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| 10:00:56 | linux_jones | no way i cn help? |
| 10:01:32 | Llorean | Depends. Do you know ARM assembly? |
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| 10:02:11 | booyah | I just tried installing rockbox on the ipod 5.5 30gb and now I cant login to rockbox nor the original firmware |
| 10:02:23 | booyah | Any ideas? the emergency disk mode doesnt seem to work |
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| 10:02:37 | bluebrother | morning guys |
| 10:02:48 | bluebrother | is FS #6510 the frequency scaling bug? |
| 10:02:58 | Llorean | booyah: A) What exactly happens when you boot? And B) If disk mode isn't working, you are doing it wrong. Trust me. |
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| 10:03:49 | booyah | Llorean: It's stuck at the rockbox loader screen |
| 10:04:10 | booyah | Llorean: any tips to go into the emergency disk mode on 5.5? |
| 10:04:16 | Llorean | What color is the text and backdrop? |
| 10:04:24 | linux_jones | Llorean, no could i learn it? |
| 10:04:43 | booyah | standard black and white |
| 10:04:59 | booyah | tried going into original firmware too. didnt work |
| 10:05:06 | Llorean | booyah: Explicitly, what color is the text itself, and what color is the backdrop? |
| 10:05:15 | Llorean | There are two versions of the bootloader. |
| 10:05:21 | Llorean | One is black text, very light blue background |
| 10:05:25 | Llorean | One is white text, black background |
| 10:05:29 | Llorean | "Black and white" doesn't tell me which of those it is. |
| 10:05:44 | booyah | Sorry, my bad. Its light blue |
| 10:05:51 | Llorean | So, dark text, light background |
| 10:05:53 | Llorean | You're using the old bootloader. |
| 10:06:03 | Llorean | First, hold Menu+Select to reboot, and *immediately* hold Play+Select. |
| 10:06:17 | booyah | Roger. doing that now |
| 10:06:17 | Llorean | If it doesn't work the first time, try again, shifting your timing somewhat |
| 10:06:22 | Llorean | Eventually you'll get to emergency disk mode |
| 10:06:35 | Llorean | Then, ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin (I hope you kept that file, you were supposed to). |
| 10:06:48 | Llorean | That should restore your iPod to its original status (boots apple OS, no rockbox) |
| 10:07:07 | Llorean | Then delete all the files you downloaded, as they're all old, and use the files here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 10:07:14 | booyah | Ahh, thanks. Now I just need to wait for the darn low batt screen to go away |
| 10:07:27 | Llorean | Low battery screen? |
| 10:07:37 | Llorean | Just plug in USB, and it should work. |
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| 10:08:09 | booyah | Think that needs another 5mins. Oh well, could always wait |
| 10:08:21 | Llorean | Alrighty |
| 10:08:26 | JimmyS | Hi |
| 10:08:26 | booyah | trying to get rockbox to work on my friend's ipod. Been loving it on my ipod 5g =) |
| 10:08:28 | Llorean | Anyway, everything should be fine. :) |
| 10:08:31 | linux_jones | i cant even get thee thing working in linux |
| 10:08:43 | Llorean | The big problem was just that 5.5Gs need the new install instructions. |
| 10:09:04 | Llorean | The new method doesn't require ipod_fw at all |
| 10:09:29 | JimmyS | I've been trying to download senab's build of rockbox, however when I download it, everytime unzip tells me it's not a zip archive even though it appears to be. Does anyone know what the problem could be? |
| 10:09:42 | Llorean | JimmyS: Contact Senab. |
| 10:09:50 | JimmyS | okay |
| 10:09:53 | JimmyS | thank you :) |
| 10:10:01 | Llorean | That's the "Unsupported Builds" forum for a reason. They're not official, and nobody here provides support for them. |
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| 10:10:13 | Llorean | All questions should be directed to the thread you received the build from, exactly as the forum guidelines say. |
| 10:16:43 | lavid | Llorean: as for the new beta FW, using the rockbox bootloader would allow people to use it (once it's supported by the bootloader) without bringing their sansa to a state where it can't be reflashed to a previous firmware |
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| 10:16:50 | lavid | i hope that made sense... i'm sleepyh |
| 10:17:05 | lavid | and yes, I know this is rockbox, not OF hackingland |
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| 10:18:12 | lavid | but it would allow us to work in loading support for the new FW and then later dealing with installing the RB bootloader on a sansa that has this new FW already installed |
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| 10:22:39 | bluebrother | tucoz, we now have a manual for a device without sound ;-) |
| 10:23:21 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 10:23:50 | lavid | hey, if there's rockbox for the blind, there should be rockbox for the deaf |
| 10:24:11 | scorche | ...why? |
| 10:24:18 | lavid | it was a joke |
| 10:24:30 | scorche | i thought so =/ |
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| 10:25:44 | petur | for the plugins? |
| 10:26:10 | Llorean | Well there is an lyrics plugin |
| 10:26:19 | lavid | thanks for the bail-outs |
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| 10:30:17 | tucoz | bluebrother, nice! it's better to be ahead of time |
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| 10:33:42 | JimmyS | I just registered on the forums and I haven't got an email |
| 10:33:47 | scorche | Llorean: heh...you see the person who modified a badge to say noob instead? |
| 10:34:50 | bluebrother | noticed that yesterday ... but it's a bit different, it's "lighter" |
| 10:34:55 | bluebrother | funny idea though |
| 10:35:28 | scorche | yeah, but i am tempted to ask him to not use it...badges are special things in our forums >_> |
| 10:35:28 | perl|wtf | that extra invisible line in progress bar area really bothers me |
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| 10:35:37 | perldiver | oh well |
| 10:36:13 | Llorean | scorche: I was tempted to ask him not to use it as well |
| 10:36:39 | bluebrother | I must admit it confused me a bit at first. |
| 10:36:48 | Llorean | That's my worry, it might confuse people |
| 10:36:50 | scorche | in that case, you have a second opinion to go ahead and |
| 10:36:52 | scorche | PM him |
| 10:37:13 | Llorean | JimmyS: If you don't get your email in the next hour, let me know your forum account name in a PM and I can activate for you. |
| 10:37:35 | Llorean | scorche: Alright, I'll ask him politely next time I see a post by him. I'm too lazy to go and do it right this second. :) |
| 10:37:52 | JimmyS | okay, thanks Llorean |
| 10:38:07 | tucoz | Llorean, you own a sansa right? |
| 10:38:08 | scorche | well, if you are going to be lazy, should i just do it? (politely of course) |
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| 10:38:32 | perldiver | hey RedZZR |
| 10:38:35 | Llorean | tucoz: Aye |
| 10:38:42 | RedZZR | hi |
| 10:39:08 | perldiver | RedZZR are you aware of a little WPS problem with latest builds? |
| 10:39:08 | Llorean | scorche: Yeah, if you want to. Just let him know that we felt it might cause some confusion and would like him to pick something else as an avatar. |
| 10:39:14 | RedZZR | just built the lastest CVS, how is the sound problem? |
| 10:39:19 | Llorean | Even though it says "Noob" people who just glance may not read it. |
| 10:39:20 | tucoz | ah. great. is Scroll up clockwise, and Scroll down counter-clockwise? |
| 10:39:22 | JimmyS | Llorean, I changed the email address and it worked, thank you for the offer though |
| 10:39:22 | RedZZR | whats the WPS problem |
| 10:39:27 | perldiver | RedZZR thanks for the rockblox btw! |
| 10:39:38 | Llorean | JimmyS: Yeah, I've noticed that happen before. I had to change mine to get notifications of PMs. :) |
| 10:39:48 | perldiver | RedZZR sound problem seems to be gone for me |
| 10:39:53 | perldiver | (sped up issue) |
| 10:40:11 | RedZZR | No Problem, Marianne Arnold has expanded the background to fill the screen |
| 10:40:17 | perldiver | now the WPS, it adds an extra "pink" line to the progress bar area |
| 10:40:28 | Llorean | scorche: Since the entire point of the badges originally was so that people could, at a glance, tell who were considered Knowledgeable, and at a second glance, tell where they were. The second glance shouldn't be a correction to say "Nowhere" |
| 10:40:41 | perldiver | and it moves stuff around |
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| 10:40:45 | RedZZR | on all WPS? |
| 10:40:49 | perldiver | yeah |
| 10:40:59 | perldiver | do you have BeatMP or Pixel WPS? |
| 10:41:05 | perldiver | it clearly wisible there |
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| 10:41:15 | RedZZR | I use the EscapePod WPS which I modded from an IPOD one |
| 10:41:18 | lavid | tucoz: yeah, that's how it is on the OF |
| 10:41:35 | tucoz | lavid, ok. I would assume it is the same in rockbox |
| 10:41:39 | tucoz | thanks |
| 10:41:44 | perldiver | RedZZR yeah its not there cause its all white and doest have any elements in that area |
| 10:41:46 | RedZZR | all I see wrong is one extra pixel on the progress bar, but its not pink |
| 10:42:05 | perldiver | i meant pink as invisible color |
| 10:42:10 | perldiver | oh so you see it |
| 10:42:18 | * | scorche doesnt see a reason for Llorean's laziness if he just posts the PM in here anyway ;) |
| 10:42:19 | Llorean | tucoz: I can't find my sansa, but I thought clockwise was down. |
| 10:42:20 | perldiver | its not really one pixel |
| 10:42:20 | RedZZR | ok.... I get it now... |
| 10:42:29 | Llorean | scorche: Alt-tab is so many keys. |
| 10:42:37 | RedZZR | so the transparancy is not working properly. |
| 10:42:40 | scorche | hehe |
| 10:42:45 | perldiver | RedZZR probably |
| 10:43:02 | perldiver | but why it moves stuff as well? |
| 10:43:27 | RedZZR | that is odd, nothing seems to have changed in that area has it? |
| 10:43:36 | tucoz | Llorean, hmm. ok. Isn't it more intuitive to increase (Scroll up) by scrolling it in a clockwise motion? |
| 10:43:39 | lavid | tucoz: yeah, i made an oops |
| 10:43:47 | perldiver | i tried old build, it was OK |
| 10:44:06 | perldiver | but all 2 days old and new ones break it |
| 10:44:06 | Llorean | tucoz: Clockwise scrolls down, it's actually this case on iPods too though, isn't it? |
| 10:44:07 | RedZZR | maybe the DMA screen updates? |
| 10:44:18 | Llorean | I believe the idea is that 'The right side of the wheel is moving downward" |
| 10:44:19 | lavid | tucoz: yes, it is more intuitive, like winding up a clock |
| 10:44:38 | Jsunu | i think it effects wps with progress bars that are bmps |
| 10:44:51 | perldiver | Jsunu yeah |
| 10:44:53 | tucoz | Llorean, lavid. i am puzzled ;) |
| 10:45:23 | Llorean | tucoz: In the original firmware, Clockwise moves downward on the screen. |
| 10:45:30 | tucoz | ah. ok |
| 10:45:33 | tucoz | i get it |
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| 10:45:36 | lavid | tucoz: I just booted into the sansa OF. CW moves downward |
| 10:45:38 | perldiver | RedZZR btw sound quality is much improved since early builds i think |
| 10:45:49 | lavid | sorry for the confusion |
| 10:45:57 | Llorean | tucoz: I think, mentally, "Forward" so, increasing volume, but moving down in a list. |
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| 10:46:04 | tucoz | Llorean, lavid. that makes sense. I was thinking of using the wheel for increasing volume etc. |
| 10:46:16 | RedZZR | It sounded good yesterday - except for the odd garbled song from halfway.. |
| 10:46:17 | tucoz | that is why i was confused |
| 10:46:25 | tucoz | thanks to both of you |
| 10:46:31 | lavid | tucoz: yeah, so for that usage, CW should be increase |
| 10:46:36 | perldiver | RedZZR yeah im not experiencing that anymore |
| 10:46:46 | perldiver | and i had it alot |
| 10:46:57 | RedZZR | good... hope that has been fixed.. |
| 10:46:59 | Llorean | tucoz: Yeah, it should increase the volume. Really it should mimic the behaviour of the scrollwheel on iPods with Rockbox, so that the interface is consistent across targets with a scrollwheel-type thing |
| 10:47:14 | RedZZR | I got the button leds working on my build. |
| 10:47:23 | perldiver | now the screen, as you said, i dont reckon anybody changed anything in that area |
| 10:47:32 | perldiver | so i dont know whats happening |
| 10:47:45 | tucoz | I am fixing the key reference image, that is why i wanted to know |
| 10:47:46 | perldiver | RedZZR nice, are they dimming? |
| 10:47:54 | RedZZR | Yep |
| 10:48:06 | perldiver | fantastic |
| 10:48:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: Did you see the thing about -w being before N in the uninstallation instructions for the iPod in the manual? |
| 10:48:40 | lavid | Llorean: the sansa scrollwheel is somewhat different from that of an ipod since as you move the sansa's feels like discreet movements, which i think is different from the touchwheel thing the ipods have |
| 10:48:48 | perldiver | RedZZR maybe you can take a look at dma updates? |
| 10:48:53 | RedZZR | I did add a menu item, but can't seem to get it to save and load, so I might just add the button leds as a patch and if people want it then can install it. |
| 10:48:59 | bluebrother | Llorean, no. |
| 10:49:17 | RedZZR | I'll take a look, but I don't have commit privs so could not post a fix |
| 10:49:17 | lavid | llorean: but that's trivial for the moment |
| 10:49:18 | bluebrother | is that still needed with the new ipodpatcher? |
| 10:49:23 | Llorean | bluebrother: You even posted in response to the thread. |
| 10:49:28 | RedZZR | even if I can find it :) |
| 10:49:48 | perldiver | well at least we would know what it is |
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| 10:49:53 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, the uninstallation method is actually ipodpatcher N -d, but N -w bootpartition.bin works still. The real problem is that the manual as -w N bootpartition.bin, which doesn't work. |
| 10:50:20 | Llorean | Nothing is required after the -d, by the way. It's just "ipodpatcher N -d" and it should remove the bootloader safely. |
| 10:50:24 | perldiver | all bmp based progress bars get affected |
| 10:50:25 | Llorean | Unless I got my arguments mixed up. |
| 10:50:33 | bluebrother | ah, I thought you meant an error in the manual first |
| 10:51:02 | Llorean | lavid: Yes, it does feel like discrete movements, but from an interface standpoint it rotations in the same direction should have the same effect on the same screens. |
| 10:51:45 | perldiver | came with the 0103 build |
| 10:52:27 | perldiver | RedZZR oh and pacman got broken on the way as well :P |
| 10:52:33 | lavid | llorean: yeah, i agree, at least in the case of the volume |
| 10:52:41 | perldiver | starting from the same build i think |
| 10:52:47 | bluebrother | do we have a description of ipodpatcher -d in the manual? |
| 10:53:09 | * | bluebrother greps for it |
| 10:53:12 | perldiver | hang on load but menu still works |
| 10:53:29 | perldiver | seems like dma issue as well |
| 10:53:42 | lavid | llorean: but i think the sansa wheel could control the rotation of the snake on the snake plugin or the tetris blocks while the ipod wheel wouldn't work as well for that purpose |
| 10:53:42 | RedZZR | yes I assume that must be a dma issue |
| 10:53:53 | lavid | llorean: as i said, a very minor issue |
| 10:53:58 | Llorean | lavid: How could having discrete movements in any situation suggest the wheel should be turning the opposite direction of a non-discrete wheel? |
| 10:54:06 | bluebrother | so ipodpatcher -d will remove the bootloader without needing a clean bootpartition.bin? |
| 10:54:18 | Llorean | lavid: My statement *only* applied to cases where the iPod wheel was used, which is why I phrased it the way I did. |
| 10:54:35 | Llorean | I never said it shouldn't have additional uses, just that it should be identical in the places where the iPod wheel is used. |
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| 10:54:40 | lavid | llorean: yes, and this is why I should get to bed, it's 4am here. |
| 10:54:50 | Llorean | bluebrother: Exactly. |
| 10:55:02 | Llorean | lavid: Same here. |
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| 10:55:20 | Llorean | But I'm on a strange schedule, and need to make it to about 6pm before I can sleep. =/ |
| 10:55:23 | bluebrother | ok. As far as I can see we don't have uninstallation instructions for the bootloader in the manual |
| 10:55:35 | Llorean | bluebrother: Ah, I'm not sure what he was quoting then. |
| 10:55:36 | bluebrother | but there's a line using the old order of the arguments. I'll fix that shortly |
| 10:55:40 | perldiver | RedZZR today i noticed text editor doesnt load too |
| 10:56:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: ipodpatcher N -d is definitely the better way to go though. |
| 10:56:08 | bluebrother | or I'm missing the uninstall instructions. I'll look deeper |
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| 10:56:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: He was quoting a line that read "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" I believe. |
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| 11:01:11 | bluebrother | Llorean, found it. We have uninstall instructions for the bootloader, I just missed it before |
| 11:01:26 | RedZZR | Text edit is fine on mine... |
| 11:02:49 | Llorean | bluebrother: Gotcha, thanks. |
| 11:03:18 | bluebrother | will be in cvs shortly. Looks like that line was missed when merging the new instructions |
| 11:03:25 | Llorean | Aaah |
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| 11:04:20 | bluebrother | who wants to uninstall anyway? ;-) |
| 11:06:10 | Llorean | Exactly! |
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| 11:10:29 | perldiver | RedZZR noticed it doesnt shut down when connected |
| 11:11:17 | bluebrother | what doesn't shut down? Rockbox? That's intended |
| 11:12:21 | perldiver | oh i see |
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| 11:12:49 | perldiver | text_editor plugin results in empty screen for me |
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| 11:14:09 | RedZZR | I just opened up a file with the "open with.." and it was there |
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| 11:15:59 | perldiver | yes that works |
| 11:16:06 | perldiver | but the plugin doesnt |
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| 11:19:37 | RedZZR | prob the easiest way to fix pacbox is to disable dma blits just for that |
| 11:20:37 | * | GodEater chuckles at Shawn_K's latest forum post. Looks like he's found it's not as easy to optimise rockbox as he thought it was going to be :) |
| 11:21:02 | perldiver | or maybe it should be an empty screen there? hm but i remember i saw a keyboard screen there where you can start typing your text etc |
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| 11:22:06 | pixelma | perldiver: you have to chose a line (don't know the button for it) to edit that one with the virtual keyboard |
| 11:22:41 | perldiver | yeah but what should happen if i chose text_editor from the list of plugins? |
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| 11:24:18 | pixelma | it will start with a blank file (like the manual states) then chose the line, the first blank one so to speak |
| 11:25:16 | markun | perldiver, RedZZR: nice to see the rockbox talk has moved here from #gigabeat |
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| 11:25:43 | perldiver | markun hey,hows paris? |
| 11:25:53 | perldiver | and yes we were kinda asked to do so :) |
| 11:25:57 | RedZZR | Hi, Markun... perl beat me to it... |
| 11:25:58 | perldiver | kindly* |
| 11:26:47 | RedZZR | Markun: you are just a short (but very expensive) train ride away now... |
| 11:26:59 | perldiver | pixelma so no on-screen keyboard should show up? |
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| 11:27:40 | pixelma | not at startup, only when chosing a line... |
| 11:27:44 | perldiver | aha |
| 11:27:57 | RedZZR | off out now... catch you all later... |
| 11:28:08 | perldiver | later, thanks |
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| 11:39:09 | bluebrother | GodEater, which post did you mean? |
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| 11:44:49 | bluebrother | tucoz, wouldn't "scroll left / right" be more intuitive for the sansa? |
| 11:45:17 | bluebrother | or is the sansa manual using up / down as well? |
| 11:45:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: don't think so because it's up/down in a list |
| 11:45:42 | bluebrother | hmm. That's a point. |
| 11:45:47 | pixelma | (like on Ipods= |
| 11:46:05 | bluebrother | just looked at the picture ;-) |
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| 11:48:10 | tucoz | I know. you have to keep in mind what pixelma said |
| 11:48:19 | tucoz | it's confusing at first |
| 11:51:42 | pixelma | btw... I wondered - IIUC someone named the button macros (in the code) for the Sansa SCROLL_UP/_DOWN, too. I think _FWD/_BACK would have been more appropriate because it's a wheel (?) |
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| 11:53:00 | Llorean | I think FWD/BACK is more appropriate too. |
| 11:54:05 | pixelma | have to ask barrywardell or dan_a about... I just wanted to mention it here while at it |
| 11:55:34 | bluebrother | hopefully we can move almost everything to action macros and won't need to worry about that anymore |
| 11:58:32 | pixelma | well - that has to be in the keymap files too. |
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| 12:05:33 | grai | i wish there were a rockboxable hdd player with an analogue thumbstick |
| 12:06:26 | grai | (if there already is, please tell me before i go out and waste my money on something else :p) |
| 12:07:37 | Llorean | What use is an analog thumbstick? |
| 12:08:06 | grai | i imagine it would make text entry a lot quicker and easier - you could select chars from a ring rather than doing a binary/ternary search for them or even (shudder) scrolling through a 1d list of them, like you have to on the ipod, for example |
| 12:08:48 | Zeraphe | Why not just get a PDA? |
| 12:08:52 | grai | plus you get variable-speed scrolling without having to use as much energy as with a touchpad :D |
| 12:09:06 | grai | pda? hmm. i'll have a look. |
| 12:09:18 | Llorean | It just seems an odd hardware feature to look for in a DAP. |
| 12:09:44 | grai | i didn't think there were any that could hold 20GB+ of music, but i haven't looked for a few years |
| 12:10:01 | grai | yeah well i'd only really want it for browsing wikipedia offline |
| 12:10:18 | grai | so i spose a pda is really more what i'm after |
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| 12:11:36 | Zeraphe | Downside: you probably can't play Doom on a PDA. But like you, I haven't looked in a while, so I might be wrong. |
| 12:11:54 | scorche | you can...but i dont see what that matters |
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| 12:12:24 | Zeraphe | I was being ironical. |
| 12:12:34 | | Part Boffin ("NO!!... *I* am Spartacus!!") |
| 12:13:05 | scorche | i believe "ironic" is the wrong term in that context |
| 12:14:25 | Zeraphe | I have to disagree. Not being able to play Doom isn't really a downside. Yet I said that it was. |
| 12:15:03 | scorche | that is "sarcasm" not "ironic" |
| 12:15:07 | Zeraphe | i.ro.ny - The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning. |
| 12:15:23 | petur | Zeraphe: http://www.doompda.com/ |
| 12:15:43 | Zeraphe | I stand informed. Thanks, petur . |
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| 12:16:11 | petur | and I think there's a linux driven pda with harddrive. Palm also has one iirc |
| 12:16:37 | Zeraphe | scorche - what example would you give of irony? Rain on your wedding day? |
| 12:16:49 | scorche | quoting the song? |
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| 12:17:29 | Zeraphe | Citing it because the only thing ironic about that song is that it contains few (if any) examples of irony. Only coincidence. |
| 12:18:17 | scorche | no...like (true story) a tree branch falls on a powerline cutting off power to a court room where a suit against a power company is being taken place about them not trimming vegetation around powerlines when they should |
| 12:19:20 | Zeraphe | That, too, is ironic. i.e., marked by contrast. |
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| 12:20:17 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 12:20:33 | scorche | it is not worth arguing over...especially not in a rockbox support channel |
| 12:21:27 | Zeraphe | You could join me over at #ironical ... |
| 12:21:45 | scorche | or i could just ignore the issue |
| 12:21:52 | Zeraphe | Fair enough. |
| 12:21:59 | * | Llorean has had his share of arguing for the day. |
| 12:22:08 | scorche | heh |
| 12:22:26 | Zeraphe | Wait, was that an arguement? |
| 12:22:31 | Llorean | I dunno. |
| 12:22:42 | Llorean | I just saw the word argument, and I'm frustrated about one going on in the mailing list. |
| 12:22:48 | Llorean | It was such a simple thing, but I think someone's taking it personally. |
| 12:22:55 | Zeraphe | I hope not. I didn't mean for it to be. |
| 12:23:04 | scorche | mister 2.5.1 has frustrated me enough....but then again, you were the one talking to him |
| 12:24:09 | Zeraphe | What happened in the mailing list? |
| 12:24:28 | scorche | see the logs on the site |
| 12:25:49 | grai | i sometimes get the feeling that people who misuse the term "irony" (usually "hipsters") are just trying to wind me up or make something ironic happen by hijacking it or something, but i can't be bothered to think about it |
| 12:26:14 | scorche | grai: it is now a dead issue ;) |
| 12:27:37 | grai | it wasn't when i started typing and confusing myself over 10 minutes ago (only just finished :)) |
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| 12:30:10 | Llorean | Zeraphe: Essentially, someone wants to be grandfathered into an exception to the rules, because he was an exception before. But he made the change that altered the situation, I proposed that the rules should now apply, people agreed, and he's acting like we're "shutting him down" or some such. |
| 12:30:43 | Llorean | My proposal was simply that he move his unsupported build from the wiki to some offsite hosting now that it's moved from "A single bugfix to the 2.5 release" to a full modified build. |
| 12:31:50 | Zeraphe | Sounds reasonable. If everyone did the same, there'd be a terrible confusion over which version was current, supported, modified, et cetera. |
| 12:33:14 | Zeraphe | Hosting's not that hard to come by. Neither is a free DNS mask. And anyone searching for Rockbox + (player) would be able to find it, I'm sure. I found Psiuyo's site that way. |
| 12:33:37 | mlind | Hello good people! I wonder if someone could lend me a hand... |
| 12:33:39 | Llorean | Zeraphe: Supposedly he "cannot" get hosting. |
| 12:33:49 | Llorean | Which to me means "cannot be bothered to" get hosting. |
| 12:33:56 | Zeraphe | Google offers it now! www.googlepages.com! |
| 12:34:04 | mlind | I haven't yet got an environment to compile with and I want to add "one line" of code... |
| 12:34:10 | mlind | Is it too far fetched to ask that someone would compile and make a build for me to try? |
| 12:34:34 | Zeraphe | Why no building environment, mlind ? |
| 12:35:50 | Llorean | mlind: It would probably be best if you set up a build environment, in case you needed to make further changes, or if the line didn't work as expected. |
| 12:36:06 | | Part tj2master |
| 12:36:15 | mlind | Look here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8036.0 |
| 12:37:14 | mlind | I intend to get it running, but right now it would probably take the rest of the weekend. |
| 12:38:04 | mlind | ...while I think it would possibly take someone experienced 2 minutes to try my idea... |
| 12:39:17 | Llorean | The problem is, what guarantee is there that this is the only 2 minute idea, ever? |
| 12:39:35 | Llorean | If someone does this for you, someone else might come in tomorrow and say "but you did it for him" and so on. |
| 12:39:44 | * | Llorean has actually seen this happen before. |
| 12:40:04 | mlind | I'm only asking... |
| 12:40:39 | Llorean | Indeed, and I'm only offering why you may not get help. I can't answer for others though, but I really think it best you at least try to set up your own environment. |
| 12:41:35 | mlind | Yes. Thanks. So. Instead. Is there someone with a Mac here? :-) |
| 12:41:47 | Zeraphe | At least, that way if it foobars your player, you have only yourself to blame. |
| 12:41:58 | Zeraphe | Or if more work needs to be done, et cetera. |
| 12:43:20 | scorche | amiconn: there? |
| 12:43:52 | Llorean | mlind: I believe rockboxdev.sh (Did I get the name right this time?) mostly works on macs now, with the small change from here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6499 |
| 12:44:27 | * | scorche applauds Llorean |
| 12:44:49 | mlind | Llorean: and that is a what? |
| 12:44:50 | scorche | ;) |
| 12:45:14 | scorche | mlind: a script that does most of the work of setting up the cross-compilers/toolchain for you |
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| 12:45:41 | mlind | Mmm... Seems nice. I'll try. Thanks. |
| 12:45:44 | Llorean | All you have to do is execute the script, and then add the locations of the compilers to your path. |
| 12:45:47 | bluebrother | it's in the tools/ folder |
| 12:45:56 | Llorean | But it does need an edit to the .sh file as mentioned in the patch tracker entry |
| 12:46:02 | * | bluebrother doesn't think building a cross compiler is hard at all |
| 12:46:33 | scorche | we all know that just because we dont, doesnt mean other people dont as well though =S |
| 12:46:41 | Llorean | bluebrother: I did it back when you had to download the GCC, binutils and gdb (optional) sources yourself, and hand type the whole line telling it to be built as a cross compiler etc. :-P |
| 12:47:04 | Llorean | This whole "rockboxdev.sh or VMWare image for windows users" thing is like the land of milk and honey. |
| 12:47:16 | Llorean | Actually, the VMWare image works for any users, I suppose |
| 12:47:19 | bluebrother | hehe. |
| 12:47:43 | bluebrother | but the vmware image is really nice. Especially as it provides a build environment one can safely refer to |
| 12:48:00 | Llorean | Yeah, it's very consistent and reliable. |
| 12:48:06 | tucoz | and it's not cygwin |
| 12:48:10 | Llorean | And it's not cygwin. |
| 12:48:15 | tucoz | :) |
| 12:48:19 | Llorean | About five million bonus points right there. |
| 12:48:24 | * | bluebrother pats his linux box |
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| 12:48:39 | Llorean | I'm converting this laptop to linux in a month or so. |
| 12:48:48 | Llorean | Just as soon as I get non-lazy. |
| 12:48:48 | * | scorche wonders which linux box to pat |
| 12:49:08 | Llorean | I found a record of someone doing it nearly completely successfully (he didn't test the modem, a feature I don't expect to use). |
| 12:49:32 | scorche | on your specific laptop? |
| 12:50:01 | Llorean | Oh, wait, it was the firewire he didn't test. |
| 12:50:01 | Llorean | scorche: Yes, this exact laptop. |
| 12:50:01 | scorche | ah...very nice |
| 12:50:01 | Llorean | Firewire is unknown, sound occasionally hangs but can be restarted. |
| 12:50:01 | Mikachu | i have 228 unique ips accessing the vmware image in my logs |
| 12:50:01 | Mikachu | if anyone wondered |
| 12:50:06 | bluebrother | I have two in reach ... but only one is up and running |
| 12:50:22 | scorche | Mikachu: at the moment |
| 12:50:23 | scorche | ? |
| 12:50:28 | bluebrother | Llorean, what type of box do you want to convert? |
| 12:50:28 | Mikachu | no in total |
| 12:50:31 | Mikachu | heh |
| 12:50:38 | scorche | heh...i was going to say... |
| 12:51:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: What do you mean? |
| 12:51:33 | bluebrother | I have my laptop running linux since 3 years or so |
| 12:51:36 | Llorean | I'm planning on converting a Gateway MX6920 laptop, and probably just gonna install Ubuntu. |
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| 12:51:55 | Llorean | Since apparently it works with minimal configuration, and I'm lazy. :) |
| 12:52:24 | leftright | hi there scorche: just a sec while I register |
| 12:52:37 | Zeraphe | I've got Slackware 11 on my Dell Inspiron 4000. I like it. |
| 12:52:37 | leftright | damn hydra makes me regfister everytime |
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| 12:53:09 | scorche | i love slack as well, but it just doesnt seem worth the effort on a laptop |
| 12:53:20 | Zeraphe | scorche, It took me like, a day. |
| 12:53:50 | * | Llorean goes off in search of food. |
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| 12:54:32 | * | tucoz thinks that an install that takes a day (for an experienced user) is a lot |
| 12:54:48 | tucoz | which i assume a slack user is |
| 12:54:49 | * | scorche seconds that |
| 12:55:01 | Zeraphe | It had been three years since I touched Linux, tucoz |
| 12:55:05 | tucoz | ok |
| 12:55:18 | scorche | slack is very much worth it on my desktops though |
| 12:55:22 | scorche | especially this one |
| 12:55:35 | bluebrother | I'm trying to build avr-libc this moment. Something changed so it'll take me some minutes longer than I thought |
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| 12:55:39 | scorche | (pentium MMX @ 133) |
| 12:55:47 | bluebrother | it's like Rockbox: it evolves fast :) |
| 12:55:55 | Zeraphe | It's worth it on the laptop, too. I got my PCMCIA wireless card working in no time. |
| 12:56:28 | scorche | to you possibly, but not to me....i am just at home on ubuntu/debian |
| 12:56:44 | scorche | as i am on slack that is |
| 12:57:37 | * | bluebrother is still happy with fedora |
| 12:57:37 | tucoz | does slackware still use the 2.4 kernel? |
| 12:57:42 | Zeraphe | Ah. Yeah, you probably have a point there. Slack is all I've really ever known. |
| 12:57:54 | scorche | tucoz: yes, but you can use others |
| 12:57:55 | Zeraphe | tucoz, it has the option for the 2.6, but 2.4 is standard. |
| 12:58:06 | pixelma | leftright: in Hydra you can set an OnLoggedIn event in prefs -> command profiles |
| 12:58:24 | leftright | many thanks |
| 12:58:34 | tucoz | ok. that is great. |
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| 13:03:49 | * | bluebrother just received DS1339 samples from Maxim to try rooku's RTC mode |
| 13:03:55 | bluebrother | They are *huge* |
| 13:05:44 | pixelma | I prepared rockblox for the other two targets (ifp and sansa)... should these be in two different commits? (not that it is much code - just a few defines) |
| 13:06:08 | bluebrother | I don't think that's needed. |
| 13:06:22 | tucoz | samples as in chips? |
| 13:06:28 | bluebrother | yeah. |
| 13:06:57 | tucoz | cool. will you be able to fit it inside the iriver? |
| 13:07:24 | bluebrother | roolu did so, so I think it should work. I just have looked at smaller parts for too long ;-) |
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| 13:07:45 | bluebrother | SO16 is huge if you worked with TSSPO14 for a while |
| 13:08:05 | tucoz | ok. i am impressed by stuff like that. i would never dare to come near my iriver with a soldering iron and my (lack of) skills |
| 13:09:46 | bluebrother | I just need to find the time so they will collect dust for some time most likely |
| 13:10:22 | bluebrother | but I needed to order samples anyway |
| 13:11:18 | bluebrother | ok, my last hack to the code has unwanted side effects. Oh my. |
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| 13:14:51 | jba | markun, you still around? guests just left |
| 13:15:55 | mlind | Aaaaargh, I'm such a nooob! How do I run the script "rockboxdev.sh"??? What's the command? |
| 13:16:14 | bluebrother | ./rockboxdev.sh |
| 13:16:16 | scorche | mlind: ./rockblahblah |
| 13:16:56 | bluebrother | possibly you need to chmod +x rockboxdev.sh first |
| 13:16:57 | mlind | Says "command not found" |
| 13:17:08 | bluebrother | or bash ./rockboxdev.sh |
| 13:17:19 | bluebrother | sounds like it's not executable |
| 13:17:37 | mlind | because? |
| 13:18:02 | bluebrother | because the executable bit is not set. chmod +x |
| 13:19:10 | mlind | no change |
| 13:19:11 | bluebrother | or call it using the interpreter itself. |
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| 13:19:17 | bluebrother | i.e. bash <script> |
| 13:19:49 | mlind | Thanks! |
| 13:21:20 | bluebrother | gtg |
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| 13:25:30 | jba | could be bad newline/carriage return characters in the shell script, like say ftp-ing over from windows |
| 13:25:36 | jba | aah he's gone |
| 13:30:40 | mlind | Hmmm. Someone left who can help me with rockboxdev.sh? |
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| 13:35:05 | matula_ | thank you for rockbox, and voice menu capability :) |
| 13:35:24 | matula_ | i have a broken lcd, now i can use the recorder again |
| 13:35:30 | matula_ | hello |
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| 13:41:00 | linuxstb | mlind: What's the problem? |
| 13:42:30 | mlind | Think I got it now... Was wondering about prefix="/usr/local", and what it does and why the script compliained. |
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| 13:43:28 | mlind | usr/local/ didn't exist |
| 13:43:54 | mlind | and I needed to "sudo" |
| 13:45:19 | dan_a | Hmmm.... there's a job lot of faulty 6Gb iriver H10s on ebay. Should I get them and send any I can make work to developers? |
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| 13:48:40 | mlind | Hmmm. rockboxdev.sh is hard at work right now, but keeps repeting a lot of "Warning: Function declaration is not a prototype. Should I be worried?? |
| 13:50:12 | GodEater | well the worst that can happen is it won't work |
| 13:50:17 | GodEater | so no - I shouldn't worry per se |
| 13:50:46 | GodEater | I didn't sit and watch it when I ran it, so I can't tell you if that's normal or not either |
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| 13:53:10 | mlind | Finished. But what does THIS mean: make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install' |
| 13:53:39 | GodEater | it means there are no outstanding steps to be taken for the target "install" in the makefile |
| 13:53:52 | mlind | not to worry? |
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| 13:54:08 | GodEater | as I said, it can only not work :) |
| 13:54:16 | mlind | great |
| 13:54:25 | GodEater | try building rockbox and see |
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| 13:57:00 | linuxstb | mlind: Which version of gcc (sh, m68k or arm) did you install? |
| 13:57:28 | linuxstb | Try typing something like "m68k-elf-gcc -v" to see if the install was successful. |
| 13:58:01 | mlind | m68k |
| 13:59:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought the script didn't automatically add it to path. |
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| 14:00:04 | Mikachu | it can't |
| 14:00:16 | mlind | Where do I edit the path? |
| 14:00:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: It doesn't. |
| 14:01:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was just saying, that m68k-elf-gcc -v wouldn't work until it was added to path or he moved to the right folder, was a.. |
| 14:01:18 | Llorean | all |
| 14:01:32 | * | nls_web wonders if there shouldn't be a way to view the highscore in rockblox execpt with the text editor/viewer... |
| 14:01:42 | GodEater | even moving to the right folder won't work unless "." is the PATH |
| 14:01:58 | GodEater | which it mostly isn't these days |
| 14:02:46 | linuxstb | mlind: ~/.bashrc |
| 14:04:17 | nls_web | Heh, if I open a .roc file with the text editor it crashes with division by 0, I suppose that's a bug? |
| 14:04:24 | nls_web | .rock of course |
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| 14:08:34 | mlind | linuxstb: Sorry but I don't understand. |
| 14:10:04 | linuxstb | mlind: The .bashrc file in your home directory. |
| 14:10:11 | nls_web | mlind edit the .bashrc file |
| 14:10:22 | linuxstb | If one doesn't exist, create it. |
| 14:11:35 | linuxstb | Then add the line "PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin" to it (I think...) |
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| 14:15:04 | mlind | linuxstb: Thanks. Doesn't seem to be one. I fix. |
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| 14:22:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: certainly didn't. dds? |
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| 14:23:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: read the logs, and i don't really know what you're talking about. what beating? |
| 14:24:01 | mlind | How do I make the system acknowledge my newly created .bashrc-file? |
| 14:24:15 | GodEater | "source ~/.bashrc" |
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| 14:25:10 | Soap | at one point in time there was a website linked from the forums which would graphicly display the results of your parametric EQ settings. Despite thirty minutes of searching the forums I can no longer find the post. Does anyone know, off hand, of this website? |
| 14:25:59 | mlind | GodEater: Thanks! |
| 14:26:01 | GodEater | Soap: not that I can help, but surely you want to *hear* the results, not see them ? |
| 14:26:11 | Soap | GodEater: I want to see them. |
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| 14:27:07 | GodEater | Soap: so in what form does it display them ? As some sort of curve ? |
| 14:27:22 | Soap | I have a graph of the frequency cutoff iPods create with 16 ohm loads, and I should be able to set the center, gain, and q value by eye (for a correction) quite easily, and save myself lots of RMAA testing. |
| 14:27:38 | GodEater | ahhhh - makes sense |
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| 14:31:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: basically undesired frequencies generated, especially strong with sharp-edge waveforms line square and sawtooth of course. strongest when things are not matches well with the sample rate. |
| 14:31:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: that's tricky, you need to generate the waveforms with a bandlimited method |
| 14:32:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: a couple of solutions are bandlimited wavetables and using bandlimited impulses, but both are more trouble than it's worth in this context |
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| 14:32:35 | preglow | cooledit does neither, it just uses straightforward lines too |
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| 14:32:57 | jhMikeS | I figure as much. Anything with a transition from high-low in one sample makes for non-harmonic components. |
| 14:33:26 | preglow | not necessarily |
| 14:33:34 | preglow | the problem is when the transition occurs between samples |
| 14:33:41 | preglow | in the analogue waveform you are sampling |
| 14:33:43 | RedZZR | Gigabeat Button LED patch uploaded FS #6511 if anybody is interested |
| 14:33:44 | jhMikeS | that's even worse |
| 14:34:06 | preglow | if the transition lines up with the sampling instant, then the harmonics generated fall on top of the already existing correct ones |
| 14:35:13 | jhMikeS | Well, in CoolEdit generating an A882 square wav gives you an unwanted undertone of 442 Hz. Doesn't really sound like A882 in that case. |
| 14:35:21 | preglow | the blit (bandlimited impulse trains) method isn't that much code, really, but i never could make it work with fixed point math |
| 14:35:54 | preglow | A882 ? |
| 14:36:38 | jhMikeS | The period of that lines up nicely with 44.1Khz wheras A880 doesn't. No beating but still unwanted components. |
| 14:37:36 | preglow | where's the A come from? :> |
| 14:37:41 | jhMikeS | music |
| 14:37:45 | jhMikeS | the note A |
| 14:37:53 | preglow | right, right |
| 14:38:32 | hcs | is this discussion leading towards better resampling? |
| 14:38:39 | preglow | no |
| 14:38:41 | jhMikeS | Would like a rather artifact free method so all samplerates can work at the same pitch and make the pitch adjustable |
| 14:39:37 | Wiwie | hello |
| 14:39:59 | Wiwie | i have a short question to the gigabeat port of rockbox |
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| 14:40:19 | Wiwie | is actually somebody programming at the video-playback-feature? |
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| 14:40:48 | Wiwie | so that it will be possible, to play files bigger than 26mb ? |
| 14:40:55 | nls_web | Wiwie: there has been some work done on mpegplayer recently |
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| 14:41:01 | Wiwie | yes, i know |
| 14:41:07 | nls_web | but no rebuffering yet |
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| 14:41:49 | nls_web | it seems like linuxstb is the only developer working on it, so i guess he'd know about any progress |
| 14:41:52 | jhMikeS | temporal (phase) dithering is just too coarse most of the time...been reading stuff but most literature is based on generating sine waves only and not centered around music synthesis. |
| 14:42:22 | Wiwie | okay, thank you |
| 14:44:16 | Wiwie | perhaps at any time i will be able to offer you my help to program at this feature, but at the moment i just can java and no C |
| 14:48:27 | nls_web | Wiwe contributions are always welcome :-) |
| 14:49:50 | Wiwie | ;) |
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| 14:50:13 | Wiwie | even began learning C |
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| 15:19:02 | Febs | Why is it so difficult for people to understand the concept of threaded e-mails?! |
| 15:21:00 | * | Febs contemplates unsubscribing from the user e-mail list. |
| 15:21:35 | jba | it might be the email clients that can't do it |
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| 15:22:00 | preglow | haahha |
| 15:22:04 | preglow | please do post a reminder |
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| 15:22:25 | preglow | the threaded email view isn't default in all email programs |
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| 15:22:29 | Febs | Preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0209.shtml |
| 15:22:30 | preglow | so i don't think all people know about it |
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| 15:28:23 | preglow | also, blind people might have problems with threaded view |
| 15:28:27 | preglow | i don't know how that's represented |
| 15:28:40 | amiconn | preglow: The threaded view isn't default, but all half-decent mail clients can handle threads, even free (not open) ones like Outlook express |
| 15:28:42 | preglow | but anyway, using reply to start a completely new mail is weird |
| 15:29:04 | preglow | amiconn: sure, all the clients i've seen can handle it |
| 15:29:16 | amiconn | The only thing people should learn is that the reply function is for replying and _only_ for replying |
| 15:29:56 | Soap | Is it harder for people who receive the digest to reply to specific threads? |
| 15:30:35 | Febs | What I think is really weird is the tendency recently for people to have a single discussion over multiple e-mail threads. |
| 15:30:36 | amiconn | I don't use threaded view myself, so it doesn't annyo me as much as others. I only use the function to step through a thread sometimes |
| 15:30:54 | Febs | Example: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1086 |
| 15:31:18 | Febs | Whoops. wrong link |
| 15:31:29 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0192.shtml |
| 15:34:53 | Febs | Soap: I'm not sure if it is even possible for people who receive the digest to reply to specific threads. Though I think that people who receive the digest tend to want to follow the discussion without necessarily participating in it. |
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| 15:48:58 | preglow | threaded view is pretty essential to me |
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| 15:55:23 | Soap | brings back the good old feelings of USENET. |
| 15:55:52 | Soap | Now if only people could get the whole top quoting/bottom quoting thing right...;) |
| 15:57:42 | preglow | yes, there's also that |
| 15:57:52 | preglow | now, what would life be without annoyances |
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| 16:07:24 | Febs | Soap: I thought about mentioning top-posting versus bottom-posting in my "guidelines" e-mail yesterday, but figured that was a lost cause. |
| 16:08:15 | Soap | If people follow your "guidelines" and trim their quotations it will make a huge difference. |
| 16:08:35 | Febs | Amen to that. |
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| 16:09:11 | Febs | I see that in the time we've had this discussion, there's been yet another thread-breaking reply on the user list. |
| 16:10:00 | Soap | the Re:rockbox Digest one? |
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| 16:12:02 | Febs | Actually, I was looking at "H10 recording status" in the "Rockbox 2.5.1" thread. |
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| 16:16:42 | mlind | Ok me noob. Don't understand... If function "opendirs" is defined in "dir.c", and "dir.h" is included in "plugin.h" which is included in "disktidy.c", then why can't I make use of "opendirs" in "disktidy.c"??? |
| 16:17:08 | | Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:17:30 | Nico_P | mlind: is "opendirs" defined in "dir.h" ? |
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| 16:18:16 | mlind | Nico_P: Hmmm.. Maybe not... |
| 16:18:32 | Nico_P | that would be the problem then |
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| 16:19:01 | linuxstb | You have to use the plugin API - i.e. rb->opendir() |
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| 16:23:14 | mlind | linuxstb: How does that work? how do I learn more about that? |
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| 16:26:57 | Nico_P | mlind: there's a wiki page about developing plugins |
| 16:27:05 | Nico_P | also you can look at other plugins |
| 16:27:32 | Nico_P | and to know what's in the plugin API, look at lugin.h |
| 16:27:36 | Nico_P | plugin.h |
| 16:27:49 | Nico_P | the wiki page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 16:28:53 | Nico_P | damn... am I the only one finding rockbox.org awefully slow ? |
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| 16:32:52 | Nico_P | I can't even reach the tracker :( |
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| 16:42:42 | webguest50 | hey! |
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| 16:43:22 | webguest50 | naybody wanna help me ? |
| 16:43:50 | webguest50 | I get this error -1 when i boot up rockbox on my ipod video 5.5 version (30 gig) |
| 16:44:35 | Soap | you installed the bootloader, but not the firmware itself. |
| 16:44:51 | Soap | Febs: your most recent post didn't thread for me :) |
| 16:45:05 | Febs | It did for me! |
| 16:45:12 | webguest50 | okey... what does that mean ? do i need to repeat any steps in the installation procces? |
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| 16:46:50 | webguest50 | i think i figured out what i did wrong... i'l try it again... |
| 16:46:51 | Febs | webguest50: it means you need to follow the "Instinng the Firmware" instructions in section 2.2.2 of the manual. |
| 16:47:05 | Febs | instinning/installing |
| 16:49:54 | webguest50 | It worked! I just did a little mistake during innstallation, ayways, you were to great help, thank you very much ! |
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| 16:52:22 | webguest30 | hi |
| 16:52:29 | webguest30 | hi all.. |
| 16:52:53 | webguest30 | i find gigebeat user.... |
| 16:53:05 | webguest50 | by the way, I am playing snakes on ipod, how do i get out of the game ? |
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| 16:54:01 | Febs | Try Menu+Select |
| 16:54:12 | Wiwie | too late :P |
| 16:54:22 | webguest50 | thanks |
| 16:54:29 | Wiwie | oh no, i'm blind |
| 16:54:49 | jhMikeS | heh...blit synth works in Excel :) |
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| 16:58:53 | gigabeat | who's use gigabeat? |
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| 17:00:39 | mlind | Is there a function to tell a plugin how many dirs it has opened? |
| 17:00:53 | webguest50 | how do you boot original firmware? |
| 17:01:06 | Bagder | mlind: it can't count? |
| 17:01:09 | gigabeat | original firmware? |
| 17:01:16 | gigabeat | what device? |
| 17:01:25 | Zeraphe | webguest50, you don't. |
| 17:01:26 | webguest50 | apple ipod video 5.5 30 gig |
| 17:01:52 | Bagder | isn't that mentioned in the manual? |
| 17:01:54 | gigabeat | using ipod updater... |
| 17:02:04 | Bagder | gigabeat: wrong |
| 17:02:23 | gigabeat | why? |
| 17:02:24 | Soap | webguest50: reboot, toggle the hold switch to the "on" (red) position ASAP. |
| 17:02:27 | Bagder | please don't just guess an answer when someone is asking |
| 17:02:53 | gigabeat | ipod updater recovery ipod... |
| 17:02:53 | webguest50 | okey.. thank you very much ! :) |
| 17:03:04 | Bagder | gigabeat: that is NOT the way |
| 17:03:10 | Bagder | it would totally remove rockbox |
| 17:03:12 | gigabeat | sorry.. |
| 17:03:20 | Bagder | not just start the OF |
| 17:03:25 | gigabeat | really sorry.. |
| 17:03:59 | gigabeat | Bagder.. sorry.. forgive me |
| 17:04:07 | Wiwie | lol |
| 17:04:12 | Bagder | no worries |
| 17:04:32 | gigabeat | I have gigabeat F40.. |
| 17:04:39 | mlind | Bagder: It opens recursively. If too many it stops working. |
| 17:04:54 | Bagder | mlind: sure, but the plugin can count, right? |
| 17:04:58 | gigabeat | But gigabeat F40 don't display my langguage... |
| 17:05:17 | mlind | Bagder: No it doesn't |
| 17:05:17 | Bagder | mlind: doesn't it get an error back when it fails? |
| 17:05:25 | Bagder | mlind: the plugin can't count? |
| 17:05:26 | Bagder | wow |
| 17:05:31 | Bagder | i++; |
| 17:05:57 | gigabeat | who's gigabeat user? |
| 17:06:01 | mlind | Bagder: If opening a new one fails then it stops |
| 17:06:07 | Bagder | mlind: if it doesn't get an error back, then that should be fixed |
| 17:06:21 | Bagder | mlind: yes, and that is bad? |
| 17:06:22 | * | Genre9mp3 reads an article about upcoming Sansas with... AM radio (?) |
| 17:06:32 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: americans... |
| 17:06:33 | | Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 17:07:05 | Genre9mp3 | here's the link: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3821 |
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| 17:07:57 | mlind | Bagder: If you have more than 8 nested subdirs on your DAP and want Disktidy to clean at least ALL those that dont go as deep. |
| 17:08:24 | Bagder | so, why not make it deal with the case when it gets an error? |
| 17:08:37 | Bagder | then you know it is at its deepest level |
| 17:08:51 | Bagder | or am I not getting it? |
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| 17:09:34 | Bagder | anyway, I'm off again for now |
| 17:09:40 | mlind | Bagder: I don't know if this is the only possible reason for rb->opendir to report an error |
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| 17:11:31 | Bagder | mlind: well, does it matter? |
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| 17:14:10 | mlind | Bagder: Then the plugin wouldn't have to stop EVERYTHING but just go on to the next dir. |
| 17:14:37 | Bagder | yes, but why not do that when error is returned? |
| 17:14:43 | Bagder | whatever the reason would be for the error |
| 17:15:04 | mlind | Seem OK to me. |
| 17:15:13 | Bagder | seems like a way forward at least |
| 17:15:24 | mlind | Absolutely |
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| 17:22:13 | gigabeat | who's use gigabeat? |
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| 17:22:40 | Bagder | gigabeat: try #gigabeat, some of them lurk in there ;-) |
| 17:23:06 | gigabeat | thank you.. |
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| 17:24:30 | gigabeat | s |
| 17:24:33 | gigabeat | s#gigabeat |
| 17:24:38 | gigabeat | joing #gigabeat |
| 17:24:55 | Bagder | the rockbox web client won't let you do that |
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| 17:35:09 | perldiver | i wonder if little distortion of WPS progress bar is gigabeat specific |
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| 17:39:37 | RedZZR | hi perl, i've posted a patch for the Button LED's if your interested |
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| 17:41:17 | perldiver | RedZZR oh thats great |
| 17:41:50 | perldiver | will it stay as a patch forever? |
| 17:41:56 | RedZZR | I've also got the dock buttons working as Select and Button A |
| 17:41:59 | perldiver | cause i think its a nice feature to have |
| 17:42:19 | RedZZR | Its a patch for now - as there is no way to disable it from a menu |
| 17:42:50 | RedZZR | I did do the menu code as well but need to fix the saving of the settings |
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| 17:44:26 | RedZZR | I can't commit to the CVS anyway - so a patch at least lets people try it out |
| 17:45:16 | RedZZR | it can be merged into the main CVS by somebody with commit privs if its wanted as a standard feature |
| 17:46:58 | RedZZR | Has there been anymore discussion about swaping the functions of the Power and A buttons on the Gigabeat? |
| 17:48:41 | RedZZR | I have mine configured as A to browse when in the WPS and holding A stops playback and browses |
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| 17:49:03 | RedZZR | to return to WPS - press A again - seems to work well |
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| 17:52:19 | perldiver | yeah we discussed that |
| 17:52:30 | perldiver | but markun didnt really like the idea i think |
| 17:53:30 | perldiver | i think browsing with A is more natural |
| 17:54:07 | RedZZR | Yep, thats what I found - maybe we should have a menu item to config it... |
| 17:55:29 | RedZZR | I'm sticking with A for browse for now, and will continue to patch the CVS for my builds |
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| 17:57:02 | perldiver | ha |
| 17:57:09 | perldiver | you seem to have all the nice patches |
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| 17:58:02 | RedZZR | I've got quite into the Gigabeat / Rockbox since xmas, once the sound was going I was motivated to play / dev stuff... |
| 17:59:02 | RedZZR | Its quite a simple system to modify, and all the real hard work has already been done.. |
| 17:59:44 | perldiver | did you look into wps problem by any chance? |
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| 18:00:04 | perldiver | im trying to work on my wps and its not a very good thing to have |
| 18:00:25 | RedZZR | No sorry, had to do a bit of diy... |
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| 18:03:43 | fasmaie | perldiver: if you don't mind reiterating, what is the wps problem? |
| 18:05:35 | perldiver | fasmaie sure, right now all the wps using bmp images for the progress bar seem to have an extra line that shift everything to the right on the gigabeat target |
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| 18:06:55 | fasmaie | perldiver: Ah! Yes, I'd heard about that....thanks for the info |
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| 18:08:58 | fasmaie | gigabeat people: Sorry I can't help with coding (don't know how). But next week I will get my F40 and will be able to help with documentation, if help is needed |
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| 18:17:00 | RedZZR | possible idea on the WPS problem... it could be that the DMA's are not on aligned to WORD's - that seemed to be an issue with the ATA DMA problems |
| 18:18:45 | RedZZR | uhm, looking at the code - it ignores X anyway so thats prob not it... |
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| 18:21:35 | perldiver | RedZZR hmm but why the progress bar |
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| 18:27:57 | RedZZR | perldiver do you have the album patch installed? |
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| 18:28:15 | RedZZR | *album art patch |
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| 18:40:21 | boobooha | i have a question. When it says to open command prompt and type in "ipodpatcher −−scan" it doesnt work for me. plz help pm me |
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| 18:43:36 | Soap | do you open a command prompt? |
| 18:43:44 | Soap | How, exactly, doesn't it work? |
| 18:44:33 | boobooha | yes i open it |
| 18:44:51 | boobooha | i type it in then it says like its not a external or internal nor batch file |
| 18:45:04 | Soap | what directory did you download ipodpatcher to? |
| 18:45:09 | Soap | and what directory are you in? |
| 18:45:11 | boobooha | Installation Folder |
| 18:45:15 | boobooha | i put it on the desktop |
| 18:45:30 | boobooha | i thought about that but idk where to put it |
| 18:45:45 | Soap | so you downloaded it to the desktop? |
| 18:46:21 | boobooha | well i downloaded the ipodpatcher to a folder called Installation Folder that is located on the desktop |
| 18:46:50 | boobooha | and just btw my ipod is a Nano 2nd generation so idk if that could b a problem as well but i heard that rockbox works better then ipodlinux on the 2ndgen nano |
| 18:47:09 | Soap | lol |
| 18:47:14 | Soap | do me a favor |
| 18:47:20 | Soap | go to www.rockbox.org |
| 18:47:22 | Soap | ok? |
| 18:47:25 | boobooha | yes |
| 18:47:27 | boobooha | thats where i went |
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| 18:47:42 | boobooha | then i went under the manual and nano 1st gen |
| 18:47:46 | boobooha | and thats what im going ofa |
| 18:47:57 | Soap | open www.rockbox.org |
| 18:48:06 | boobooha | k |
| 18:48:07 | Soap | 4th line below the logo |
| 18:48:11 | Soap | Apple..... |
| 18:48:15 | Soap | what does it say? |
| 18:48:41 | boobooha | it says that the 2nd gen nano is not supported |
| 18:48:52 | boobooha | that only means that the website doesnt like say that it will work fully |
| 18:48:58 | Soap | not at all |
| 18:49:00 | boobooha | but so far ppl that did it got it too work |
| 18:49:10 | Soap | bull |
| 18:49:16 | Soap | someone is pulling your leg. |
| 18:49:32 | Soap | nobody has run any private code on a Nano 2nd Gen. |
| 18:49:52 | boobooha | well ill see if it will work |
| 18:49:57 | boobooha | once the ipodpatcher can work |
| 18:50:00 | boobooha | cuz thats my prob so far |
| 18:50:02 | boobooha | and if it doesnt |
| 18:50:03 | Soap | no |
| 18:50:16 | boobooha | i can just reset the ipod to day1 |
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| 18:50:33 | Soap | your problem is a failure to understand that the Nano 2nd generation has as much in common with the Nano 1st generation as it does with a toaster. |
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| 18:51:06 | boobooha | it still has a flash drive |
| 18:51:10 | boobooha | only diff thing is the case |
| 18:51:13 | Soap | nope |
| 18:51:14 | boobooha | everyone can see that |
| 18:51:17 | Soap | different hardware |
| 18:51:23 | boobooha | exactly |
| 18:51:26 | boobooha | sofware is intact |
| 18:51:36 | Soap | not the same software. |
| 18:51:39 | Soap | looks the same |
| 18:51:41 | Soap | but isn't |
| 18:51:46 | Soap | as the hardware isn't the same. |
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| 18:52:01 | boobooha | what versions are the 1st gen nanos |
| 18:52:03 | Soap | rockbox WILL NOT work on the 2nd gen. |
| 18:52:07 | boobooha | cuz the 2nd gen is only 1.1.1 |
| 18:52:15 | Soap | that means nothing. |
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| 18:52:32 | Soap | an artificial label. |
| 18:53:24 | Soap | So...where did you hear rockbox or Ipod Linux would work on your 2nd gen Nano? |
| 18:53:39 | boobooha | http://www.binrev.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25902 |
| 18:54:58 | Soap | ok, I read that entire thread and no where does it mention the 2nd generation Nano. |
| 18:55:18 | boobooha | well its implied |
| 18:55:34 | boobooha | cuz the 1st post says that the nano is not supported by the ipodlinux |
| 18:55:47 | Soap | take it up with the poster. |
| 18:56:28 | boobooha | and i got the idea that its possible b/c ppl replied to that with good responses |
| 18:56:28 | Soap | implications on a random forum be damned, I'm telling you it flat out will not, can not, work on a 2nd gen. |
| 18:56:47 | boobooha | is there any firmware that will? |
| 18:56:51 | Soap | no |
| 18:56:59 | boobooha | is rockbox workin on it? |
| 18:57:08 | Soap | barely |
| 18:57:37 | boobooha | ok well i guess i can deal with just the normal firmware |
| 18:57:42 | boobooha | no biggie |
| 18:57:44 | Soap | The 2nd gen nano is the first iPod ever, the first ipod ever (except the shuffles) not to use the PortaPlayer chips. |
| 18:57:56 | boobooha | o |
| 18:58:08 | boobooha | and what were those used for b4 and what do the new ipods use now |
| 18:59:12 | Soap | main processor and half the other components. A "system on a chip" |
| 18:59:22 | boobooha | uhuh |
| 18:59:22 | Soap | I believe samsung makes the new ones. |
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| 19:00:01 | bluebrother | Soap, do you know what processor it is? Still ARM7 core? |
| 19:00:04 | boobooha | well thx for all ur help, at least that saved me some frustration |
| 19:00:22 | Soap | bluebrother: everything I've read says it is, but I don't know how they know that. |
| 19:01:13 | bluebrother | ok. Lets see when someone manages to run code on it ... |
| 19:01:46 | Soap | maybe the front page should be changed from "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" to "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen do not work.)" |
| 19:02:10 | Soap | since IPL runs well on multiple devices they "do not support" |
| 19:02:50 | boobooha | yeah exactly |
| 19:02:58 | boobooha | thats what i based my judgement on |
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| 19:03:33 | boobooha | the DO NOT WORK in bold red letters would get the message across and maybe a little link to an explanation as to why they do not work |
| 19:05:22 | bluebrother | "not supported" means to me "it doesn't work, but maybe someone managed to get it working recently, so read the website / mailing list archive / forum" |
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| 19:06:00 | bluebrother | for example I got an AVR Dragon recently. avrdude doesn't support it −− but current cvs has support. |
| 19:06:10 | bluebrother | Of course this is not announced as it hasn't been released officially. |
| 19:06:11 | Soap | "not supported" in IPL lingo means "use at your own risk" |
| 19:06:30 | Soap | boobooha: first line of the Nano (1st gen) manual's install instructions: |
| 19:06:32 | Soap | "Note: Rockbox presently runs only on the original Ipod Nano. Rockbox does not run on the newer, second generation Ipod Nano (the all alumminum verion). For information on identifying which Ipod you own, see this page on Apple’s web site: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61688 " |
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| 19:07:30 | boobooha | SoaP: yeah i shoulda have read that, i just skipped to installation, thinkin if anything goes wrong just format the ipod |
| 19:07:34 | bluebrother | "The dock connector and headphones port are both located on the bottom of the unit." |
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| 19:07:43 | bluebrother | strange position for a headphone port |
| 19:07:55 | Soap | boobooha: First line of the wiki install instructions "Rockbox works on all recent ipods apart from the Shuffle (both old and new), the new "2nd Generation" ipod Nano (the all-aluminium version) and the 80GB ipod Video" |
| 19:08:13 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 19:08:19 | Soap | bluebrother: ment to be worn around the neck. |
| 19:08:24 | Soap | hanging upside down. |
| 19:08:53 | bluebrother | writing all this informations to manual, wiki, website etc. is only for users to ignore it :( |
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| 19:09:41 | boobooha | i hope that apple or some mp3 player comes up with some wifi headphones, just have lil chip that sets ur frequency in the ipod and 2 lil buds(that can be lost at your own risk) |
| 19:10:17 | Soap | boobooha: there are plenty of bluetooth headphones out there now. But that is offtopic for this channel. |
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| 19:20:36 | hotwire_ | Bagder: can you post a version of the gigabeat bootloader on download.rockbox.org? |
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| 20:09:34 | subson | Hi, I installed cygwin with sh-elf. I run rockboxdev.h:no error at the end. I run configure and make say no such file or directory asking button-target.h from button.h from backlight.h :30 |
| 20:16:14 | subson | I will try on debian |
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| 20:18:28 | linuxphile | does anyone know how to convert the .sat files on a gigabeat back to mp3? |
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| 20:24:40 | perldiver | linuxphile yes |
| 20:25:24 | perldiver | you have to load original firmware, connect the player through cradle in windows media port and just copy the files back to computer |
| 20:25:36 | perldiver | port=mode |
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| 20:46:44 | mlind | Is there an easy way to print a string starting from the X:th letter? |
| 20:47:09 | ydo | print string[X:] |
| 20:47:33 | mlind | With colon? |
| 20:47:39 | ydo | that was python :) |
| 20:47:49 | ydo | thought I was in that # |
| 20:47:58 | ydo | is it C? |
| 20:48:00 | mlind | Your joking with a noob. |
| 20:48:06 | petur | add X to the char pointer |
| 20:48:21 | Llorean | Whatever the string is named, just add X to it. |
| 20:48:22 | ydo | then.. printf("%s",&string[X]); |
| 20:48:25 | mlind | Gets the rest of the string and not only one char? |
| 20:48:42 | Llorean | A string is just something that points at the first character. |
| 20:48:45 | ydo | the printf will terminate at the '\0' at the end |
| 20:49:06 | mlind | I'll try that. |
| 20:49:42 | gotthardt | btw character 0 is the first char 1 is the second |
| 20:49:46 | gotthardt | etc |
| 20:50:04 | gotthardt | so the first letter is 0 |
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| 20:52:58 | hachi | pointer math is the shizz |
| 20:53:36 | petur | nah it's easy |
| 20:53:58 | perldiver | gotthardt maybe you have an idea about broken wps progress bar on gigabeat? |
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| 20:55:32 | gotthardt | ? i havent touched the wps - i found that if i just chose the wps and not the 'theme' i would get odd looking wps |
| 20:56:22 | perldiver | yes everything that uses bmp for progress bar gets an extra line that shifts it |
| 20:56:27 | gotthardt | i dont know if that is typical behiour |
| 20:56:38 | perldiver | no it was fine till 0103 build |
| 20:57:03 | hachi | sorry, I was using that strange language where I was saying I liked it |
| 20:57:14 | gotthardt | oh - not sure what could have done that- which wps does it affect? |
| 20:57:17 | hachi | twos-compliment math is fun to combine with pointers |
| 20:57:30 | perldiver | gotthardt easily to see on BeatMP or Pixel for example |
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| 20:57:49 | gotthardt | oh - havent tried those... |
| 20:57:53 | perldiver | its hard to explain but please check them, you will understand right away |
| 20:58:01 | gotthardt | ok |
| 20:58:27 | perldiver | its a weird problem that bothers wps authors now including myself :) |
| 20:58:30 | gotthardt | ill have to download... and try |
| 20:59:00 | Soap | BeatMP / Pixel with AA or without? |
| 20:59:05 | perldiver | without |
| 20:59:09 | perldiver | its not a wps problem |
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| 21:01:05 | perldiver | no patches used, all latest builds have it |
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| 21:02:50 | gotthardt | perldiver: i see the prog bar offset horiz |
| 21:02:54 | gotthardt | not good eh? |
| 21:03:15 | perldiver | yeah, weird |
| 21:03:37 | gotthardt | are you a coder? can you look at code? |
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| 21:04:04 | perldiver | i can't but redzzr looked at earlier, we thought its a dma issue |
| 21:04:13 | perldiver | but he didnt see anything strange |
| 21:04:39 | gotthardt | not likely if it repeatable... but ill poke around some |
| 21:05:58 | mlind | If I'm only working with the code of a Plugin, can I compile only that one? |
| 21:06:30 | petur | make will only build the code that's changed |
| 21:06:43 | petur | but under cygwin it will still be dead slow |
| 21:06:45 | mlind | but unzip... |
| 21:06:47 | perldiver | gotthardt i think i saw it on icatcher wps as a "pink" line |
| 21:06:58 | gotthardt | hmm |
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| 21:07:50 | gotthardt | pink on the left side? |
| 21:08:12 | perldiver | it was actually towards right |
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| 21:08:49 | perldiver | not like on Pixel one for example |
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| 21:31:23 | mlind | Does plugins always use the default system font? I use nothing else myself so I wouldn't know... |
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| 21:38:59 | linuxphile | Anyone know how to restore an S series using a PC? |
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| 21:43:28 | goffa | redzzr's button led patch for the gigabeat is nice |
| 21:44:09 | hotwire_ | successful patch for that? |
| 21:44:15 | goffa | seems to be |
| 21:44:20 | goffa | um... |
| 21:44:51 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6511 |
| 21:45:34 | goffa | giga is comng together nicely |
| 21:46:07 | goffa | buttons even fade with the wps |
| 21:46:27 | hotwire_ | a few more plugins, cradle, and we're 'done' |
| 21:46:37 | hotwire_ | done != finished |
| 21:46:47 | goffa | yeah.. don't care so much about the cradle |
| 21:46:51 | goffa | since i don't have one |
| 21:46:57 | goffa | i think my 60 is supposed to have one |
| 21:46:59 | hotwire_ | X series? |
| 21:47:04 | goffa | nah.. used f series |
| 21:47:15 | goffa | only paid $95 for it |
| 21:47:19 | hotwire_ | ya, you probably should have a cradle, but what can you do? |
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| 21:47:33 | goffa | i saw the cradle.. i'm pretty happy without it |
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| 21:47:57 | hotwire_ | I just like the drop in for simlutaneous usb and charging |
| 21:47:58 | goffa | a guy at work bought his son one for christmas |
| 21:48:05 | goffa | yeah... that is nice |
| 21:48:20 | hotwire_ | best buy in canada now has their gigabeat F's on clearance. |
| 21:48:28 | hotwire_ | if only i had money |
| 21:48:32 | goffa | yeah |
| 21:48:33 | hotwire_ | since my f20 is all scratched up |
| 21:48:47 | goffa | yeah.. i got the screen condom for mine |
| 21:48:51 | hotwire_ | didn't markun have a patch for cradle on the temporary gigabeat cvs? |
| 21:48:57 | goffa | one of those digi camera screen protectors |
| 21:49:11 | goffa | possibly |
| 21:49:17 | hotwire_ | no, the screen is okay for me, the brushed metal is scratched up |
| 21:49:26 | goffa | ah |
| 21:49:28 | hotwire_ | actually there is a spec of dust inside my screen |
| 21:49:35 | goffa | yeah.. mine too |
| 21:52:38 | hotwire_ | who has commit access for that patch? |
| 21:53:21 | goffa | dunno... gotthardt or debauched_sloth |
| 21:53:41 | gotthardt | what patch? |
| 21:53:48 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6511 |
| 21:54:10 | perldiver | hotwire_ some plugins are broken |
| 21:54:21 | perldiver | and now the wps is broken as well |
| 21:54:26 | gotthardt | im working on that at the moment |
| 21:54:50 | perldiver | gotthardt thanks for looking into it |
| 21:54:56 | hotwire_ | ya, i noticed a problem with the wps... the track duration scroll bar is one pixel too many to the right? |
| 21:55:02 | perldiver | yes yes |
| 21:55:40 | orkid | soo.... :) how do i get a bootloader onto a dev/zeroed sandisk sansa player? :) |
| 21:58:31 | Llorean | hotwire_: That's most commonly just called the "progress bar" (less to type out, I think) |
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| 22:12:44 | linuxphile | Anyway to restore the s series using a PC? |
| 22:15:18 | perldiver | restore? |
| 22:16:19 | hotwire_ | Llorean: thanks, i knew there was a simpler name for it. |
| 22:16:24 | hotwire_ | just couldn't think of it |
| 22:16:56 | Llorean | hotwire_: No worries, and using common terms help everyone. :) |
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| 22:32:36 | tamacracker | hey guys?.. what's the name of the gigabeat room? |
| 22:32:50 | GodEater | #gigabeat |
| 22:32:50 | tamacracker | i just found out rockbox is fully functional for the F series >.> |
| 22:32:50 | Mouser_X | #gigabeat. |
| 22:32:54 | tamacracker | woohoo thanks! |
| 22:32:57 | Mouser_X | Without the "." |
| 22:33:07 | Mouser_X | Also, no one is really in there. |
| 22:33:20 | Mouser_X | You're most likely better off discussing it in here. |
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| 22:33:42 | Llorean | tamacracker: This is #Rockbox, which is where all Rockbox related questions should be, even if on Gigabeat |
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| 22:34:06 | Mouser_X | (That's what I was trying to get at...) |
| 22:34:13 | tamacracker | oh cool |
| 22:35:02 | tamacracker | Well i have a quick question for you guys... which im sure it's pretty simple and lazy of me... but what's the direct link to the instructions on how to intall rockbox and also if there's additional information as far as bugs |
| 22:35:21 | senab | that is lazy |
| 22:35:39 | Llorean | tamacracker: Just click the manuals link at Rockbox.org |
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| 22:36:00 | senab | i'm well impressed with the cop patch |
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| 22:36:12 | Llorean | senab: It works quite well on its own. |
| 22:36:15 | tamacracker | lol senab |
| 22:36:34 | Llorean | senab: It moves just the codec thread and creates a new main thread on the COP, since the codec thread makes up a large chunk of processing anyway. |
| 22:36:53 | senab | ye i saw that in the os debug menu |
| 22:36:58 | Llorean | senab: That build by "sentertainment" probably causes a performance hit, since the Codecs make up most of the processing anyway, and should very likely keep the 2nd core to just them |
| 22:37:26 | senab | i thought that, why on earth would you move the backlight to the same core as the codecs? |
| 22:37:47 | Llorean | He seems very enthusiastic to "try things" and "challenge things" to see if he can make things better. |
| 22:37:55 | tamacracker | oh oh one more question, with rockbox on the F series Gigabeat work with linux? |
| 22:38:11 | tamacracker | I use kubuntu and if my mp3 player works with linux... i will never use windows again. |
| 22:38:14 | senab | good on him, he could use his brain a bit though |
| 22:38:16 | GodEater | he's an enthusiastic idiot :) |
| 22:38:40 | Llorean | tamacracker: Rockbox plays files from UMS mode, so if you can copy the files to the drive as normal MP3s (or any supported format), Rockbox can play it. |
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| 22:39:16 | senab | tamacracker, a tip for *buntu, don't move files, just copy them |
| 22:39:24 | tamacracker | well this is the situation, with the gigabeat, in order to drag wma files.. it has to be on the docking station |
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| 22:39:43 | tamacracker | and it uses windows media player. |
| 22:39:44 | Llorean | tamacracker: Rockbox doesn't support WMA |
| 22:39:52 | tamacracker | oh.. what does it support? |
| 22:39:58 | senab | everything but lol |
| 22:39:59 | Llorean | Many formats |
| 22:40:04 | tamacracker | lol |
| 22:40:07 | Llorean | Pretty much every major non-WMA format |
| 22:40:14 | tamacracker | .mp3 for sure then, yes? |
| 22:40:16 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 22:40:26 | Llorean | If you can access the Gigabeat as a drive, at all, you can play music in Rockboxy. |
| 22:40:28 | Llorean | Rockbox |
| 22:40:35 | senab | wma is proprietry format, and as which only a decoder for <v9 is available afaik |
| 22:40:38 | tamacracker | ah i see |
| 22:40:51 | tamacracker | Llorean that's awesome! |
| 22:41:09 | tamacracker | because it's only known as a usb mass media drive when it's off the docking station |
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| 22:41:35 | tamacracker | so i can just drag it/copy it onto the usb mass drive, yes? |
| 22:41:35 | Llorean | And that's all Rockbox needs, or even wants. |
| 22:41:38 | Llorean | Yes |
| 22:41:41 | tamacracker | wooot |
| 22:41:48 | tamacracker | you guys f'n rock. |
| 22:41:53 | tamacracker | sorry :D |
| 22:42:11 | tamacracker | that's it... windows will no longer exist on my machine ever again :P |
| 22:42:15 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 22:42:34 | senab | lol, i still have a need for windows |
| 22:42:41 | tamacracker | not I :D |
| 22:42:45 | tamacracker | i have openoffice |
| 22:42:55 | tamacracker | so any window apps can be used on linux :P |
| 22:43:02 | senab | lol not the ones i need |
| 22:43:08 | tamacracker | oh i dunno :x |
| 22:43:25 | senab | fireworks, dreamweaver mainly |
| 22:43:29 | Mouser_X | Even Winamp will run on Linux. |
| 22:43:37 | tamacracker | :) |
| 22:43:41 | Mouser_X | Under WINE, at the least. |
| 22:43:46 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 22:43:55 | senab | i've never seen the point in using wine |
| 22:43:56 | Mouser_X | Back to Rockbox though... |
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| 22:45:55 | senab | llorean: just had a thought about the unsupported builds forum |
| 22:46:30 | senab | and specifcially about the cross platform builds |
| 22:47:14 | Llorean | Oh? |
| 22:47:34 | senab | why not order builds by platform instead? eg. portalplayer, coldfire |
| 22:48:05 | linuxphile | Yes, the gigabeat is telling me to update or restore portable media center using pc application |
| 22:48:10 | Llorean | Because there's no reason not to have an H300 / H10 / iPod Photo build. |
| 22:48:29 | senab | exactly |
| 22:48:37 | Llorean | But that's Coldfire/PP/PP |
| 22:48:59 | Llorean | Maybe I'm missing something |
| 22:49:19 | senab | i didin't know the h300 could be the same as the h10 |
| 22:49:27 | senab | (in terms of build) |
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| 22:49:46 | Llorean | Well, a lot of people provide multiple versions of the build for different targets |
| 22:49:57 | senab | oooohhh, i get you now |
| 22:50:19 | senab | well thats just something that you can't really sortout |
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| 22:50:24 | Llorean | For example, piJulius' patches ought to work fine on the Coldfire targets, if someone wanted to make a build for them too. |
| 22:50:34 | Llorean | Yeah. :( |
| 22:51:03 | Llorean | That's why I just want a list of targets, in alphabetical order, in front of the build name. |
| 22:51:15 | senab | well not really, i had a look at them today and really can't be arsed with those patches lol |
| 22:51:21 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 22:51:26 | Llorean | Well, I meant in the broadest sense. |
| 22:51:32 | senab | i know, haha |
| 22:51:39 | Llorean | I'm not a fan of the patches anyway, since they're just sorta fluff and not really features aiming for inclusion. |
| 22:51:59 | senab | they're just one big huge mess |
| 22:52:13 | tamacracker | Hey Llorean, my operating system recognizes my gigabeat as of now as a Mounted Removable Medium, is this correct? |
| 22:52:18 | senab | yep |
| 22:52:24 | tamacracker | Woot. |
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| 22:52:34 | senab | go to /media/ |
| 22:52:34 | tamacracker | :) |
| 22:52:35 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 22:52:37 | senab | it should be in there somewhere |
| 22:52:49 | tamacracker | it's an icon of a usb thumb drive :P |
| 22:52:58 | Llorean | I don't mind unsupported builds, though I think they do end up causing a little grief. |
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| 22:53:23 | senab | true, thats why i stopped doing mine for a while |
| 22:53:26 | Llorean | A lot of times people are like "The patch works fine on Bob's builds, why don't you guys include it?" and arguments like "The code doesn't follow our guidelines" and such don't really convince normal people |
| 22:54:12 | senab | the only reason i'm doing it again is because i use most of those patches anyway, and it's no real hassle to upload them |
| 22:54:26 | senab | especially with my new shell script lol |
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| 22:54:50 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:54:56 | Llorean | Well, they do help with patch testing. |
| 22:55:14 | senab | only if the person can be arsed to give feedback |
| 22:55:22 | Llorean | Though only when you can actually identify which patch caused the problem, too. |
| 22:55:26 | tamacracker | Mount point should be /dev/sda1 yes? |
| 22:55:26 | senab | usually it's just "it don't work, please fix" |
| 22:55:31 | senab | yes |
| 22:55:35 | tamacracker | thanks senab |
| 22:55:44 | Malakai | Can anyone give me suggestions for why I get errors running tools/configure? |
| 22:55:50 | Malakai | in cygwin on windows |
| 22:55:54 | senab | well, it'll be /dev/sda* |
| 22:56:09 | senab | malakai: have you applied any patches |
| 22:56:11 | senab | *? |
| 22:56:27 | Malakai | just did a co of rockbox-all |
| 22:56:45 | Malakai | and followed wiki for d/l the mods/packages I need for th ebuild environment |
| 22:57:03 | Llorean | What error do you get? Copy it to a pastebin if it's multi-line. |
| 22:57:06 | tamacracker | ah ok senab |
| 22:57:42 | tamacracker | i have one more dumb question, am i goin to lose all my .sat files or if not will they be read by rock box? |
| 22:57:42 | Llorean | senab: My favorite unsupported build used to be the "2.5.1" because it was just a backport of a relatively major bugfix to the 2.5 codebase for Archos users, but there's been drama on that front recently. |
| 22:58:01 | Llorean | tamacracker: Rockbox doesn't support .sat. You won't lose them, but Rockbox won't play them. |
| 22:58:17 | senab | what are *.sat? |
| 22:58:26 | tamacracker | >.> well i guess i have a crap load of songs to get again |
| 22:58:36 | tamacracker | it's what toshiba converts the audio files into |
| 22:58:39 | Bagder | Llorean: pathetic guys |
| 22:58:47 | Mouser_X | tamacracker: There's a way to revert them back to MP3. |
| 22:58:47 | tamacracker | so it will be .mp3.sat |
| 22:58:54 | Mouser_X | I don't know how to do it though. |
| 22:58:55 | tamacracker | really?! |
| 22:58:56 | tamacracker | oh damn |
| 22:58:57 | Llorean | senab: .sat is the format the Gigabeat converts to, apparently |
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| 22:59:10 | tamacracker | i know you can't just take off the .sat |
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| 22:59:16 | Llorean | Bagder: It all blew up so quickly. I really liked the idea of the build, but I'm not fond of 'special treatment' once it changes its purpose. |
| 22:59:17 | senab | is it just a container? |
| 22:59:20 | tamacracker | yep |
| 22:59:24 | tamacracker | that's exactly what it is |
| 22:59:26 | Llorean | senab: With encryption I believe, but I'm not sure. |
| 22:59:34 | Bagder | Llorean: indeed, even the name is bad now |
| 22:59:35 | tamacracker | filename.mp3.sat is what it looks like |
| 22:59:36 | Malakai | Here's the errors I see: http://pastebin.com/853032 |
| 22:59:58 | senab | so they DRM MP3? w***ers |
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| 23:00:10 | Malakai | line 10, 13, 16 and 18 are just blank lines. Maybe some sort of line termination issue? |
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| 23:00:35 | tamacracker | im not sure senab |
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| 23:00:53 | GodEater | Malakai: looks more like you didn't run the rockboxdev.sh yet |
| 23:01:20 | Malakai | was following this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 23:01:53 | senab | do you need to run rockboxdev.sh in cygwin? i didn't when i used it |
| 23:02:43 | GodEater | you need to get the toolchain from somewhere |
| 23:02:55 | Malakai | i have the toolchain |
| 23:03:00 | Malakai | it's part of the cygwin package |
| 23:03:02 | GodEater | in your path ? |
| 23:03:04 | Malakai | yes |
| 23:03:15 | GodEater | no clue then |
| 23:03:21 | Malakai | $ which sh-elf-gcc |
| 23:03:21 | Malakai | /opt/sh/bin/sh-elf-gcc |
| 23:03:23 | GodEater | I don't use cygwin I'm afraid |
| 23:03:41 | Malakai | it's like the /bin/sh parsing the configure is barfing on something about the file |
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| 23:03:58 | Malakai | the fact the the first 5 errors are blank lines leads me to blieve it's a line termination thing |
| 23:04:04 | orkid | is there any way to unbrick an mp3 player? (perhaps OT) |
| 23:04:29 | Malakai | that's a horribly vague question orkid |
| 23:04:32 | orkid | short of gettinga a JTAG cable. |
| 23:04:38 | Malakai | like saying "Is it possible to fix a car?" |
| 23:04:54 | orkid | sandisk c250 sansa, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda then reboot the sansa.... |
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| 23:05:07 | senab | malakai: doesn't cygwin use DOS line endings anyway? |
| 23:05:41 | GodEater | senab: I believe it can use either - it's a choice on the install |
| 23:05:43 | orkid | bootloader missing (that's the problem). linux doesn't recognize it as a storage device, but does see it as a sandisk usb device with 'tango digital media platform' |
| 23:06:05 | gotthardt | senab: you can tell cygwin which ending to use |
| 23:06:10 | Malakai | i think it's fine with dos endings. I think the CVS client I used auto converted the line endings, because I can open up configure in notepad and it's acting like dos line endings |
| 23:06:20 | gotthardt | if you want to change them go back to the setup prog and rerun |
| 23:06:40 | GodEater | I think that'll be the problem then |
| 23:06:57 | Malakai | i'll look at the setup |
| 23:07:12 | senab | malakia type the command 'mount' |
| 23:07:14 | orkid | so Malakai? any ideas? |
| 23:07:37 | senab | does /usr/bin show up as binmode / text mode? |
| 23:07:39 | Malakai | yeah, i'm using the default which is unix line endings, and my CVS client is converting line endings to dos |
| 23:07:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:07:52 | Malakai | so i'll re CO the crap with unix line endings |
| 23:07:56 | Malakai | then configure should work |
| 23:08:03 | senab | fingers crossed |
| 23:08:13 | Malakai | orkid: don't know any details on Sansa stuff. Most players have a recovery mode in their firmware |
| 23:08:23 | Llorean | orkid: This is the wrong place to ask about random MP3 players. |
| 23:08:32 | Malakai | orkid: or at worse, you remove the harddrive, and boot the player, forcing recover mode (like gigabeats) |
| 23:08:50 | senab | malakai, i'd personally just use CRLF endings |
| 23:09:02 | orkid | but the firmware has been wiped from the player's flash memory. i know it's not the right place, but don't know of a bette rone, and forums/googling didn't give much info |
| 23:09:13 | Malakai | i guess if i want to edit files easily on the laptop it'd make more sense |
| 23:09:30 | Bagder | orkid: the sansa recovery mode is in the bootloader, not the firmware |
| 23:09:32 | Llorean | orkid: Have you tried contacting Sandisk? |
| 23:09:33 | Bagder | so it works even if you've installed rockbox |
| 23:09:33 | orkid | it's a flash only device, wioth th efirmware stored in flash.. and a bootloader in flash too that loads the firmware. |
| 23:09:35 | senab | unless you use a good text editor, my fave on win32 is notepad++ |
| 23:09:41 | Llorean | Bagder: It's a c250, not an e250 |
| 23:09:49 | Bagder | ah |
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| 23:09:51 | * | Bagder should learn to read first |
| 23:09:53 | orkid | nope, not yet... 2350 and c250 are quite similar i hear... |
| 23:10:17 | Llorean | orkid: How is it that you don't know a better place, and haven't yet contacted the one set of people guaranteed to know if there's a recovery mode or not? |
| 23:10:17 | Malakai | i use visual studio any time i'm coding. just more familiar with it. |
| 23:10:31 | tamacracker | is the root location called Gigabeat or Gigabeat/GBSystem? |
| 23:10:35 | orkid | Bagder: the boot loader has been toasted though, and i'm looking for a way to put it back on. |
| 23:10:44 | Malakai | orkid: pull the flash, boot, then put the flash in. see if it goes into USB mode |
| 23:10:51 | Llorean | tamacracker: "Root" refers to the \ on the device. |
| 23:10:54 | senab | notepad++ has a batch mode for converting lf −−> crlf iirc |
| 23:11:10 | Bagder | orkid: it seems more than one sansa e200 owner have bricked their units like that... |
| 23:11:10 | orkid | Llorean: 'better place' in terms of community support... |
| 23:11:13 | Llorean | tamacracker: Not in any folders. |
| 23:11:20 | Bagder | at least until MrH's e200tool came |
| 23:11:32 | Llorean | orkid: Considering this channel has nothing to do with your player, in any way, how is this a "Community" at all related to the c-series? |
| 23:11:32 | tamacracker | /media/GIGABEAT <- yes? |
| 23:11:48 | Malakai | media? |
| 23:11:52 | tamacracker | linux |
| 23:11:52 | Llorean | tamacracker: I don't have a gigabeat. I would guess yes though. |
| 23:12:03 | tamacracker | ok Llorean :P |
| 23:12:05 | orkid | Bagder: yes..... Rockbox being an alternative mp3 player OS with support being looked into for teh sansa e and c series, i thought it might be a place that people know something about it's workings. |
| 23:12:07 | Malakai | i have a gigabeat, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:12:12 | tamacracker | Malakai |
| 23:12:15 | tamacracker | basically i use linux |
| 23:12:21 | orkid | Llorean: |
| 23:12:21 | orkid | ave wiped firmware from my Sansa e130. Is there any chance to run this ... |
| 23:12:21 | orkid | www.livedigitally.com/2005/06/27/sandisk-sansa-e130-the-micro-version-of-the-ipod-mini/ - 318k - Cached - Similar pages |
| 23:12:31 | senab | kubuntu should automatically mountpoint it to /media/**** |
| 23:12:38 | tamacracker | im about to install the rockbox onto my f series |
| 23:12:47 | tamacracker | yeah cool senab :D |
| 23:12:57 | Llorean | orkid: Support has only been worked on for the e2xx series. Honestly, contact sandisk first. |
| 23:13:07 | Malakai | ahh. if /media/ is the 'root' for the Gigabeat drive, then yes, /media/GBSYSTEM is where the FW images go |
| 23:13:17 | tamacracker | so I wasn't sure if it needs to go to Gigabeat or Gigabeat/GBSystem |
| 23:13:17 | Malakai | er /FWIMG |
| 23:13:17 | orkid | nvm, the paste is dumb. |
| 23:13:27 | Llorean | orkid: The c-series isn't even listed on our page as a potential in-development port other than someone suggesting it in the forums. This is not a random hardware support channel. |
| 23:13:28 | Bagder | orkid: really, you should ask sandisk first anyway |
| 23:13:28 | orkid | nvm mind then. i'll go research elsewhere.... |
| 23:13:41 | orkid | tx anyway. |
| 23:13:46 | | Part orkid ("Konversation terminated!") |
| 23:13:49 | Malakai | <your virtual root>/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/ |
| 23:13:51 | tamacracker | Malakai it would be /media/Gigabeat/GBSystem |
| 23:13:55 | tamacracker | ok cool |
| 23:13:55 | * | Llorean wonders why people are so averse to contacting official support. |
| 23:14:07 | Malakai | if virtual root = /media/Gigabeat/ then yes. |
| 23:14:17 | Malakai | i'm just saying, on the GB itself, there is no 'gigabeat' dir. |
| 23:14:21 | Llorean | I mean, yes, there's like 5 hours of hold time, but it's a good chance to get some reading done. |
| 23:14:32 | GodEater | hehe |
| 23:14:37 | tamacracker | /media/Gigabeat/GBSystem <- that's exactly what it looks like on the address bar |
| 23:14:38 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 23:14:48 | Llorean | Malakai: He mentions a GBSYSTEM under Gigabeat. |
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| 23:15:05 | Malakai | yeah, and under GBSYSTEM is /FWIMG |
| 23:15:05 | Llorean | tamacracker: Extract rockbox.zip in /Media/Gigabeat then |
| 23:15:13 | tamacracker | /media/GIGABEAT/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG |
| 23:15:14 | Malakai | with 3 .DAT files. |
| 23:15:21 | Malakai | back'm up |
| 23:15:25 | Malakai | replace the one |
| 23:15:29 | Malakai | install rockbox |
| 23:15:30 | Malakai | good to go |
| 23:16:42 | Malakai | BTW, swaping the line ending defaulgt mode in CYGWIN allowed the configure sh to execute appropriately |
| 23:17:01 | senab | good stuff |
| 23:17:03 | tamacracker | ok back up FWIMG00.DAT, 01.DAT, 02.DAT |
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| 23:17:24 | Llorean | tamacracker: Read the manual, it has a fairly clear step by step. |
| 23:17:27 | Malakai | you'd think CYGWIN would have some sort of auto-line-ending-dection in like FREAD |
| 23:17:41 | tamacracker | i am but Malakai just changed a step. |
| 23:17:47 | senab | ive never been a big fain of cygwin anyway |
| 23:17:48 | Llorean | tamacracker: Use the manual then. |
| 23:18:07 | Malakai | use the manual, i'm just giving you the gist. |
| 23:18:26 | Bagder | geez |
| 23:18:33 | Bagder | ... that new sansa posting in the forum |
| 23:18:35 | tamacracker | you don't extract the .zip file onto the /Media/Gigabeat, instead it's /Media/Gigabeat/GBSystem/FWIMG |
| 23:18:45 | * | Bagder gets a headache by just trying to read it |
| 23:19:14 | senab | i wouldn't extract straight to the player anyway, it'll take ages |
| 23:19:45 | Llorean | Bagder: I already erased it and sent him a PM. |
| 23:19:50 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:19:56 | Malakai | what zip? the rockbox zip? |
| 23:20:03 | * | scorche must have missed it |
| 23:20:05 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 23:20:15 | Malakai | extract that to the players ROOT |
| 23:20:17 | Malakai | NOT GBSYSTEM |
| 23:20:18 | Llorean | tamacracker: Rockbox.zip extracts in /Media/Gigabeat |
| 23:20:28 | Llorean | tamacracker: /Media/Gigabeat is the root of the player. |
| 23:20:35 | tamacracker | oh i thought i needed to do it onto the FWIMG folder lol |
| 23:20:43 | tamacracker | yeah Llorean that's where i got confused. |
| 23:20:47 | Llorean | scorche: It was BAD. Lots of "z" instead of "the" and "2" instead of "to" and all in bright blue. |
| 23:20:51 | GodEater | shame - I enjoy reading the dumb posts as much as the intelligent ones |
| 23:21:00 | Malakai | dude, right now, if you were smart, you'd backup GBSYSTEM/* and zip it up. cause I get the feeling you don't like to read instructions |
| 23:21:00 | GodEater | can we start a hall of shame ? :D |
| 23:21:00 | * | scorche shudders |
| 23:21:10 | Llorean | GodEater: It wasn't dumb so much as "completely disregarding all manner of guidelines" |
| 23:21:28 | GodEater | oh I like reading them too - and the follow up flames :) |
| 23:21:28 | tamacracker | Malakai I'm reading lol |
| 23:21:33 | tamacracker | I thought the instructions changed |
| 23:21:34 | senab | haha damn ive missed it |
| 23:21:36 | tamacracker | cuz you mentioned something else. |
| 23:21:50 | Llorean | Bagder: At least Sandisk can claim having provided us several hundred dollars worth of aid. I'm sure that makes them feel the warm fuzzies. |
| 23:22:02 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:22:27 | scorche | and they can claim that they got advertising for geeks on the cheap |
| 23:22:33 | senab | just looking at some of the 'new ports', rockbox for java???? gps hardware??? |
| 23:22:41 | Malakai | only time you need to be in GBSYSTEM is to backup the GBSYSTEM/FWIMG01.DAT (original bootloader) and then add the new RockBox bootloader in the same direcytor. |
| 23:22:41 | Bagder | I can offer a fun quote: |
| 23:22:44 | Bagder | "It would be great to see Rockbox.org release something by September" |
| 23:22:56 | Mikachu | aren't the 3.0 bugs fixed yet? you guys suck |
| 23:22:59 | GodEater | who was that from ? |
| 23:23:01 | scorche | senab: look in the plugins section for a doom 3 request... |
| 23:23:02 | Bagder | (from my contact, dated august 2nd) |
| 23:23:07 | Malakai | arg, i meant GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/FWIMG01.dat |
| 23:23:09 | GodEater | ah |
| 23:23:18 | senab | you're joking? lol |
| 23:23:30 | GodEater | did he mean Sept. 2006 ? :) |
| 23:23:48 | tamacracker | understood Malakai |
| 23:23:56 | scorche | sadly, im not |
| 23:23:56 | Bagder | GodEater: yes |
| 23:23:57 | senab | n64 emulator? |
| 23:23:57 | Llorean | Bagder: My response would've been "I feel we can offer some assurance of a September release if we are provided with adequate documentation of these chips: (list)" |
| 23:24:16 | Llorean | senab: Clearly it's just a matter of renaming a file. (Are you reading that one?) |
| 23:24:21 | Bagder | Llorean: I responded in a similar fashion |
| 23:24:24 | GodEater | Mine would have been expect it sometime Sept. 200x |
| 23:24:39 | Bagder | and here's another gem: |
| 23:24:39 | Llorean | Bagder: At least you were honest with him about his prospects. |
| 23:24:50 | Bagder | "In our meetings last week with Europe Distis they all knew of you/rockbox.org." |
| 23:24:59 | Bagder | so they know us |
| 23:25:07 | Bagder | dated Oct 12 |
| 23:25:08 | senab | Llorean: which one? |
| 23:25:19 | GodEater | Distis ? |
| 23:25:25 | Llorean | senab: The N64 one with the guy who was asking which file to rename from an N64 emulator to .rock. |
| 23:25:27 | senab | badger: they're after you badger, they know where u live lol |
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| 23:25:35 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:26:01 | senab | llorean, yep thats the one. apparently the n64 has a 87.4khz cpu |
| 23:26:25 | GodEater | khz?!?! |
| 23:26:33 | GodEater | surely it was more powerful than that! |
| 23:26:36 | Llorean | GodEater: Someone making errors again. |
| 23:26:46 | dre | homepage of rockbox says nano 2nd gen not supported....so is there anything at all i can do to modify my 2nd gen nano that you guys know of? |
| 23:26:51 | senab | its a joke, see: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7685.0 |
| 23:27:01 | Bagder | dre: no |
| 23:27:08 | Mouser_X | dre: No, it doesn't work at all. |
| 23:27:12 | GodEater | dre: paint it ? |
| 23:27:16 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:27:19 | dre | is it because its a flashdrive |
| 23:27:22 | dre | thx godeater :) |
| 23:27:31 | senab | see this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7734.0 |
| 23:27:34 | Llorean | GodEater: 93.75mhz |
| 23:27:39 | senab | this one's made my chuckle |
| 23:27:44 | senab | *me ... |
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| 23:27:57 | Llorean | dre: It's because the firmware's encrypted. |
| 23:27:57 | Mikachu | dre: not to make it work with rockbox, except replace it with a first gen nano :) |
| 23:28:10 | Mouser_X | dre: From earlier (when someone else asked the same thing): <Soap> your problem is a failure to understand that the Nano 2nd generation has as much in common with the Nano 1st generation as it does with a toaster. |
| 23:28:26 | Mouser_X | In other words, they can't get it working yet. |
| 23:28:41 | GodEater | and in more words - no-one's even trying |
| 23:28:50 | Llorean | Not here, at least. |
| 23:28:52 | dre | the firmware is encrypted? so if i try to format the drive with windows |
| 23:28:55 | dre | i will kill the ipod? |
| 23:29:07 | tamacracker | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ <- does not have toshiba's bootloader |
| 23:29:14 | tamacracker | i mean for toshiba. |
| 23:29:30 | Llorean | tamacracker: See the manual... there's a link to a wiki page as well, or should be. |
| 23:29:47 | Malakai | The bootloader for gigabeat is checked into CVS |
| 23:29:48 | Llorean | dre: iTunes restore should be able to bring it back. |
| 23:29:52 | senab | is the 5.5g 30gb ipod, basically the same as the 5g 30gb hardware wise? |
| 23:29:56 | Malakai | what else needs to happen for the CVS build process to make it? |
| 23:29:56 | tamacracker | Download the Rockbox bootloader. Currently there isn’t a prebuild bootloader available and you’ll need to build it yourself. This is described in the wiki. Once a prebuild bootloader is available the link comes here. Have a look at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/. |
| 23:30:08 | Malakai | need the encrypter in the rockbox build chain? |
| 23:30:29 | dre | i havent done it yet, i just want to know if i have any possible alternative to downloading and isntalling itunes i dont want apple's crap on my pc |
| 23:30:29 | Llorean | Bagder: Can we put this http://globelock.mine.nu/rockbox/main-cvs/FWIMG01.DAT gigabeat bootloader up? |
| 23:30:29 | tamacracker | i need to go the wiki page |
| 23:31:09 | senab | dre: the restore program is only in itunes now afaik |
| 23:31:10 | Llorean | dre: You're better off asking in a place where people actually use the Apple firmware regularly, specifically on 2G nanos. |
| 23:31:26 | Malakai | Llorean: why not let the gigabeat bootloader auto build? |
| 23:31:37 | Bagder | Llorean: done, its now on the download site |
| 23:31:47 | Llorean | Malakai: Bootloaders are usually kept as a static version, so that they can't accidentally be broken. |
| 23:31:58 | Llorean | This is essential on some hardware that is difficult/impossible to recover from a bad bootloader. |
| 23:32:05 | dre | llorean do you mean a forum of some sort? i wouldnt have a clue where to find people who use apple firmware for 2g nano |
| 23:32:16 | Llorean | But it also allows for consistency, since once you have a working one, you always have one until a new major-version of it. |
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| 23:32:22 | Malakai | Llorean, gotcha |
| 23:32:22 | dre | or perhaps another irc channel |
| 23:32:24 | Llorean | dre: Try ipodlounge |
| 23:32:52 | Llorean | Bagder: Thank you. |
| 23:33:01 | Llorean | Malakai: Just simplifies a whole host of things, really |
| 23:33:02 | KCC | hey guys, at this point whats the batterylife like when running rockbox on an f-series gigabeat? |
| 23:33:02 | Soap | yea, the word "supported" is probably the wrong word to use. |
| 23:33:36 | Mouser_X | KCC: I've heard that you can expect at *least* 10 hours, when not using the EQ. |
| 23:33:39 | Llorean | Soap: Supported? |
| 23:33:39 | Soap | should probably say something like "Ipod 5.5g 80GB and 2nd generation Nano will not work with Rockbox at this time." |
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| 23:33:45 | Mouser_X | KCC: Most likely more. |
| 23:33:48 | tamacracker | Thanks for your help guys :P |
| 23:33:49 | Llorean | Ah, yeah. |
| 23:33:58 | tamacracker | almost done :D |
| 23:34:01 | Llorean | Supported implies that we just won't help you with it. |
| 23:34:08 | Soap | when IPL says "not supported" they mean "works, but don't ask us for support" |
| 23:34:10 | KCC | Wow, thats impressive! Why does the EQ drain so much battery? |
| 23:34:23 | Soap | when we say "not supported" we mean "does not work" |
| 23:34:30 | Soap | leads to confusion. |
| 23:34:43 | senab | kcc: because it uses cpu cycles draining power |
| 23:34:43 | scorche | ...in many cases |
| 23:34:46 | Mikachu | they imply "supported by us" but you imply "supported by rockbox" |
| 23:34:53 | Mouser_X | KCC: It's all run in software. My guess is that this requires more battery power to run the CPU at a heavier load. |
| 23:35:01 | Soap | KCC - the EQ is in the digital domain and is complex signal processing by the main CPU. |
| 23:35:03 | KCC | ok, so if i leave the EQ settings at flat then im good for battylife |
| 23:35:08 | senab | yep |
| 23:35:19 | Mikachu | you probably want to make sure the EQ is set to Off too |
| 23:35:24 | KCC | will do |
| 23:35:26 | senab | unless the gigabeat has a hardware eq |
| 23:35:30 | Malakai | someone should check gigabeat/GigabeatDecrypter.c">http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/GigabeatDecrypter.c into CVS too before people forget |
| 23:35:43 | Mikachu | i think the math in the EQ is more advanced than the actual decoder |
| 23:35:58 | KCC | about the WPS... there seem to be 2 pages now... one for GigabeatFseries and one for Gigabeat320x240... whats the diff? |
| 23:36:00 | Malakai | gigabeat hardware EQ is bass/treble only |
| 23:36:19 | Llorean | Malakai: Well, that's not considered EQ in Rockbox terms, that's just "The Bass and Treble setting" |
| 23:37:00 | * | Malakai nods |
| 23:37:04 | Llorean | KCC: Where are you referring to? |
| 23:37:16 | senab | okay, i meant like the hw eq in the wolfson dac in the ipod |
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| 23:37:35 | Llorean | Malakai: The iPod Video has a 5-band limited hardware EQ. |
| 23:37:35 | KCC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort ... scroll down to "Gigabeat WPS Gallery" |
| 23:37:40 | tamacracker | Font also goes into the root, yes? |
| 23:37:50 | senab | nope, /.rockbox/fonts/ |
| 23:37:53 | Llorean | KCC: One of those two links leads to an offsite gallery |
| 23:38:00 | tamacracker | thank you senab :D |
| 23:38:14 | Llorean | senab: When you extract it, it creates .rockbox/fonts if you extract in the root, it has subdirs. |
| 23:38:16 | senab | np :) |
| 23:38:25 | Llorean | tamacracker: Just make sure the .fnt files end up in /.rockbox/fonts |
| 23:38:32 | fasmaie | tamacracker: unzipping fonts in root will put a fonts folder in .rockbox/fonts |
| 23:38:34 | tamacracker | yep :D |
| 23:38:39 | Malakai | Do any of the other RockBox targets support screen rotation? |
| 23:38:48 | Bagder | no |
| 23:38:53 | senab | llorean: i didn't know that, i only extract the fonts i want anyway |
| 23:38:57 | Malakai | :( |
| 23:38:57 | Llorean | Soap: Perhaps it could be changed to say "Rockbox does not support the 5.5G 80gb and Nano 2nd Gen" |
| 23:39:08 | Malakai | Nice thing about the original FW for Gigabeat was the ability to switch to horizontal themes |
| 23:39:10 | Bagder | Malakai: if anyone did, it wouldn't be that big work we keep mentioning for doing it |
| 23:39:27 | Llorean | Malakai: Yeah, none of them do, but that's not because it's unwanted. Just nobody's done it. |
| 23:39:28 | Malakai | I guess just the GUI thread really cares about it |
| 23:39:34 | GodEater | I think we're going to need to write up some special instructions for Vista and iPodpatcher |
| 23:39:42 | Malakai | not like you need to notify people you're changing rotation with an event. |
| 23:39:44 | Llorean | GodEater: Yes: "Don't do it." |
| 23:39:45 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be fairly simple to hack the lcd driver to be permanently rotated? |
| 23:40:05 | GodEater | Llorean: and how many people pay any attention to instructions like that on our forums ? :) |
| 23:40:07 | Soap | Llorean: I still don't like that usage of the word "support" - I still think it is ambigious. |
| 23:40:08 | Bagder | it would be easy to make it fixed rotated, yes |
| 23:40:23 | GodEater | I think the chap on the forum with all the hassle is running a foul of vista's protection system |
| 23:40:30 | Llorean | Sounds like it. |
| 23:40:32 | GodEater | I know it's possible to disable it |
| 23:40:36 | GodEater | but I can't remember how |
| 23:40:37 | Soap | GodEater: two people in the last 24 hours who explicitly said they read that and thought it ment they should try. |
| 23:40:39 | Mikachu | so you could have two builds and rolo to change rotation maybe? |
| 23:40:50 | GodEater | haven't had vista on a PC near me for a couple of months |
| 23:40:55 | senab | hasn't the shell in vista been changed loads? |
| 23:40:55 | Bagder | Mikachu: not a bad idea really |
| 23:41:07 | Malakai | mik: yuck |
| 23:41:10 | * | Llorean likes the idea of making more use of ROLO. |
| 23:41:10 | GodEater | it's not to do with the shell senab |
| 23:41:21 | GodEater | it's to do with the lower level stuff in the OS |
| 23:41:35 | senab | i havn't used vista, so ive got no idea |
| 23:41:36 | Malakai | ROLO no go on GB yet. |
| 23:41:48 | Llorean | Soap: Well suggest it to Bagder, then. I like the idea of clarifying it, and that seems to do so. |
| 23:41:55 | GodEater | I played with RC2 for a while |
| 23:42:02 | Llorean | senab: I've got a vista disk coming in eventually, since it was free with a hardware purchase. |
| 23:42:14 | GodEater | I'm waiting for M$ to wake up and smell the coffee with regards to pricing before I get it here |
| 23:42:22 | GodEater | it's DOUBLE the price in the UK to the US |
| 23:42:29 | Mikachu | Llorean: that is like saying the left shoe comes free with the purchase of the right shoe ;) |
| 23:42:36 | senab | i've just got no incling to get it, very happy with kubuntu recently |
| 23:42:46 | GodEater | they can just shove off if they think I'm dropping $800 for something they sell in the USA for $400 |
| 23:42:46 | tamacracker | crap |
| 23:42:56 | tamacracker | the rockbox splash screen didn't load |
| 23:43:04 | senab | godeater, why not make use of the $2 = £1 rate then ;) |
| 23:43:14 | Llorean | Mikachu: Well the hardware already had Media Center Edition installed, anyway. |
| 23:43:18 | GodEater | cos amazon won't ship it to the UK |
| 23:43:25 | GodEater | and nor will anyone else |
| 23:43:56 | dre | jeez |
| 23:43:59 | senab | i always though amazon shipped abroad |
| 23:44:12 | GodEater | they do generally |
| 23:44:15 | GodEater | but not in this case |
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| 23:44:35 | GodEater | I'm going to get a friend of mine in Miami to ship it to me :) |
| 23:44:47 | scorche | isnt amazon just a bonch of different companies that just list on amazon anyway? |
| 23:44:53 | senab | i need to get a new laptop anyway, i'll just wait until vista is out then get it oem for free |
| 23:45:04 | tamacracker | In my /media/gigabeat/gbsystem/fwimg folder i should have FWIMG00.DAT, FWIMG01.DAT, FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG, and FWIMG02.DAT right? |
| 23:45:12 | senab | amazon is a sort of broker, think dell of books |
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| 23:45:19 | Llorean | scorche: Amazon has its own warehouses and product too, though |
| 23:45:34 | Malakai | tam: yes, and the FWIMG01.DAT should be what you d/l from rockbox |
| 23:45:37 | Llorean | scorche: But Microsoft is likely to come down hard on exporting product to a market where it doesn't belong. |
| 23:45:45 | tamacracker | yeah it is... |
| 23:45:46 | senab | only a small inventroy though, they mainly order from wholesalers on order |
| 23:45:52 | scorche | hmph |
| 23:45:56 | Llorean | tamacracker: What exactly *do* you get? |
| 23:46:05 | scorche | just goes to show, it is good to have friends all over the world |
| 23:46:07 | Malakai | make sure you properly 'eject' the USB device |
| 23:46:15 | tamacracker | lol my oem toshiba spalsh |
| 23:46:18 | tamacracker | splash* |
| 23:46:18 | Malakai | or the GB can get stuck in a USB mode and not really load the FW again |
| 23:46:22 | dre | yea considering sony is raping importers like they converted to oldschool islam for ps3 |
| 23:46:30 | tamacracker | Malakai what do you mean? |
| 23:46:37 | senab | malakai: i always forget to eject ums's lol |
| 23:46:45 | tamacracker | I took off the power, then the usb, then shut off the mp3 player, then turned it back up |
| 23:46:50 | tamacracker | up - on |
| 23:46:54 | Malakai | well in windows it's the equivalent of dbl click the little icon and 'stoping' the usb mass storage device |
| 23:46:58 | Malakai | before you unhook it |
| 23:47:04 | Soap | might as well download it from some random tracker - you are violating the terms of the license both ways. |
| 23:47:04 | Malakai | not sure the linux equiv |
| 23:47:08 | senab | i know, i still forget lol |
| 23:47:16 | tamacracker | >.> naw i dont think linux you need to do that. |
| 23:47:28 | senab | yes you do |
| 23:47:29 | tamacracker | there's mounting and unmounting... |
| 23:47:33 | tamacracker | you do? |
| 23:47:33 | senab | same thing |
| 23:47:39 | tamacracker | <,< |
| 23:47:42 | Malakai | you better hope there's no lazy write waiting to flush |
| 23:47:43 | tamacracker | so i need to unmount it? |
| 23:47:46 | scorche | umounting rather |
| 23:47:51 | scorche | there is also eject |
| 23:47:55 | senab | u should, i never do though |
| 23:47:56 | tamacracker | ok <,< hol don |
| 23:48:09 | Malakai | it's a 'good thing to do' but i agree, it's not always required |
| 23:48:22 | scorche | senab: you should if you mount it as asynchonous |
| 23:48:24 | Malakai | still, the GB usb can be flaky. best to follow protocol |
| 23:48:24 | Llorean | It sounds like you just didn't overwrite the FWIMG01.DAT after all, but I dunno. |
| 23:48:34 | Mikachu | not ejecting tends to confuse the usb stack in linux, at least here.. |
| 23:48:45 | Mikachu | sometimes a port stops working until i reboot, but the others work fine |
| 23:48:45 | Bagder | not here |
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| 23:48:49 | Bagder | I've never used eject |
| 23:48:52 | Malakai | what's the filesize on FWIMG01.DAT? |
| 23:48:59 | Bagder | I just umount |
| 23:49:11 | senab | sometimes i find linux just won't write....at all |
| 23:49:16 | Mikachu | i noticed that eject takes proportionally long to finish to the amount of data i wrote |
| 23:49:23 | Mikachu | i mean, in addition to umount |
| 23:49:33 | Soap | write caching on? |
| 23:49:41 | Mikachu | it says "safe to eject" but still takes a while |
| 23:49:47 | Mikachu | or unplug or whatever |
| 23:49:52 | senab | soap: nope |
| 23:49:56 | tamacracker | oh crap i never noticed that |
| 23:50:03 | tamacracker | right click and click safely remove lol |
| 23:50:27 | tamacracker | nope nothin. |
| 23:50:37 | Malakai | most OS's are smart enough now not to enable write caching on UMS devices. but still, for awhile many did |
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| 23:50:56 | Mikachu | ums devices is a place you really want write caching |
| 23:50:57 | Mouser_X | tamacracker: What's the filesize of FWIMG01.DAT? |
| 23:51:01 | tamacracker | hold on |
| 23:51:34 | Malakai | mik: for performance yes, for my grandmother, no. |
| 23:51:36 | KCC | how well does rockboy work on the gigabeatF? |
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| 23:51:49 | Mikachu | Malakai: for not breaking the flash too |
| 23:51:59 | tamacracker | 63.7kb |
| 23:52:04 | Mouser_X | KCC: I don't know, but someone said they played many GBC games using it on a Gigabeat. |
| 23:52:05 | Malakai | well i'm talking HD's, not limited life media |
| 23:52:35 | tamacracker | FWIMG01.DAT from the bootloader link is 63.7Kbs |
| 23:52:38 | KCC | haha i love rockbox, let me tell ya |
| 23:52:39 | Mouser_X | KCC: That might have changed though. Many plugins seem to be quite flakey with the Gigabeat port of Rockbox. |
| 23:53:05 | senab | i'm not really seeing a battery life increase with the cop patch |
| 23:53:07 | Mikachu | that's hard for the os to guess |
| 23:53:32 | Malakai | tamacracker: sounds like the right one. |
| 23:53:34 | dan_a | senab: At the moment I thing the gain is about 15 minutes |
| 23:53:48 | tamacracker | im sure i did everything correct, especially the boot files. |
| 23:54:03 | senab | dan_a: i'd thought it'd be more than that |
| 23:54:10 | tamacracker | would the fact that my linux assumes that the .dat file is a mpeg file have anything to do with it? |
| 23:54:34 | senab | no, it shouldnt |
| 23:54:38 | tamacracker | thought so. |
| 23:54:44 | Malakai | you named it FW<I>MG<ZERO>1.DAT? |
| 23:54:51 | Malakai | not 1 and Oh |
| 23:54:51 | dan_a | senab: I thought it would make battery life worse. |
| 23:55:17 | tamacracker | yeh |
| 23:55:20 | Malakai | as in 'firmware image 1' |
| 23:55:30 | tamacracker | FW imgae number 01.dat |
| 23:55:39 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 23:55:41 | Malakai | You sure you have a Gigabeat F? |
| 23:55:42 | Malakai | heh |
| 23:55:44 | tamacracker | LOL |
| 23:55:45 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 23:55:47 | tamacracker | F10 |
| 23:55:51 | Malakai | this doesn't work on Thumb drives. |
| 23:55:57 | Malakai | they don't have DAC's in them |
| 23:56:09 | tamacracker | thumb?... |
| 23:56:18 | Malakai | a joke |
| 23:56:19 | senab | dan_a: was the cop just sleeping before then |
| 23:56:21 | tamacracker | oh |
| 23:56:31 | tamacracker | sorry im kinda lost as to why it's not loading up properly |
| 23:56:52 | Malakai | You have a .rock in root? |
| 23:56:59 | tamacracker | yep |
| 23:57:20 | tamacracker | .rockbox and rockbox.gigabeat |
| 23:57:42 | senab | you don't then |
| 23:57:48 | tamacracker | i dont? |
| 23:58:04 | senab | a *.rock is a plugin file |
| 23:58:15 | dan_a | It was, but it was using full power. I thought it would be powered down, so using it would make battery life worse. I'm going to do some tests to balance things between the two cores, and see what kind of effects I can get |
| 23:58:18 | tamacracker | /media/GIGABEAT <- that's the folder they're in |
| 23:58:20 | Malakai | no i mean .rockbox, was abbreviating |
| 23:58:23 | Malakai | er meant |
| 23:58:45 | senab | ooooh, sorry malakai |
| 23:58:51 | Malakai | tamacracker: you followed th einstructions on turring off the battery swithc, and then coming on and holding the power button? |
| 23:58:59 | tamacracker | nope |
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