| 00:00:08 | senab | dan_a: isn't the codec the bulk of the processing though? so the cores will be lop-sided if u get what i mean |
| 00:00:12 | tamacracker | ok so shut the battery off for a few seconds, im assuming? |
| 00:00:12 | tamacracker | ok |
| 00:00:16 | Malakai | IRC is a darwinian hoop end-users are made to jump through before they are worthy of help. |
| 00:00:28 | Malakai | WEB IRC defeats that darwinism |
| 00:00:37 | dan_a | Llorean: Oh, that's OK then :D |
| 00:00:39 | Malakai | tam: don't assume: read. |
| 00:00:44 | tamacracker | WOOOT |
| 00:00:48 | tamacracker | wow |
| 00:00:52 | Malakai | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 00:00:53 | tamacracker | the letters are tiny |
| 00:01:07 | Malakai | use lynx |
| 00:01:08 | Llorean | dan_a: I was kinda disappointed that codec on cop was only 5% better though. |
| 00:01:15 | tamacracker | lynx? |
| 00:01:17 | tamacracker | <,< |
| 00:01:25 | Llorean | tamacracker: Web browser. |
| 00:01:26 | dan_a | senab: The codec is the bulk of the processing, but there's a possibility that something is holding it back, so it isn't using 100% of the COP when it's sat there on its own |
| 00:01:45 | senab | can the two cores be boost independently? |
| 00:01:49 | Llorean | dan_a: Did anyone advance either the memory bandwidth or lockstepping theories? |
| 00:01:49 | tamacracker | time out... |
| 00:01:58 | tamacracker | oh |
| 00:02:01 | tamacracker | go to that link |
| 00:02:10 | Llorean | senab: The second core can run at a fixed fraction of the speed of the primary core. It can't be faster but it can be 1/2 or 1/4 I believe |
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| 00:03:02 | senab | wouldn't it be better to have the codec on the main core, and the rest on the cop then? |
| 00:03:33 | BiptoN | does it waste more battery having the COP run code? |
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| 00:04:11 | Llorean | BiptoN: We covered this like 2 minutes ago. :-P |
| 00:04:14 | dan_a | Llorean: I'm going to try seeing how often all of the threads on the COP are sleeping when the codec thread is running on it |
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| 00:04:36 | BiptoN | sorry bout that |
| 00:04:38 | dan_a | BiptoN: Because it's not in low power sleep mode when threads are running |
| 00:05:25 | dan_a | Yay! I'm getting a player that Rockbox can play music on without skipping :D:D:D |
| 00:05:42 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 00:06:20 | senab | dan_a, if the codec thread is the main use of processing wouldn't it make sense it put that on the main core, then most of the others on cop? |
| 00:06:55 | senab | that way, the cop wouldn't need to run at boosted speed |
| 00:07:15 | senab | ...if needed |
| 00:07:19 | dan_a | We don't know how to change the speed of the COP independently of the core |
| 00:07:27 | tamacracker | omg |
| 00:07:29 | tamacracker | i love this |
| 00:07:29 | dan_a | s/core/main core/ |
| 00:07:35 | tamacracker | i have more control of my own damn mp3 player |
| 00:07:39 | tamacracker | this is a real product. |
| 00:07:47 | tamacracker | you guys are freakin awesome! |
| 00:07:49 | senab | from what llorean said, i thought you could |
| 00:08:01 | Llorean | senab: We don't know how, we know that you're supposed to be able to. |
| 00:08:13 | senab | oooooohhhhhh, my mistake :) |
| 00:08:17 | KCC | tamacracker: what mp3 player are you running? |
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| 00:08:33 | tamacracker | Gigabeat F10 |
| 00:08:37 | Mouser_X | KCC: He's running a Gigabeat |
| 00:08:53 | KCC | these gigabeats are popular, i see |
| 00:08:54 | tamacracker | i truly love this. |
| 00:09:05 | * | dan_a wants PortalPlayer documentation for his birthday |
| 00:09:25 | tamacracker | i gotta find out how to make the font bigger lol |
| 00:09:34 | Mouser_X | From what I've seen, the Gigabeat is only a touchscreen short of being a low-end PDA. |
| 00:09:52 | Mouser_X | (As far as capabilities go.) |
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| 00:10:09 | senab | whats the screen size of the gigabeat? |
| 00:10:14 | senab | 320x240? |
| 00:10:18 | Mouser_X | 240x320 |
| 00:10:24 | tamacracker | i would say 3/2 inches |
| 00:10:27 | tamacracker | oh ok |
| 00:10:28 | tamacracker | ha |
| 00:10:29 | BiptoN | Llorean: sorry if I missed it, but has the COP been in a powerless sleep mode before or inactive yet still consuming power? |
| 00:10:38 | tamacracker | hey in the font menu |
| 00:10:38 | Llorean | dan_a: How long until your birthday. Mine may be sooner, in which case, I can ask for 'em. :-P |
| 00:10:45 | tamacracker | isn't that where i choose font and size? |
| 00:10:48 | Llorean | BiptoN: Inactive but still consuming power. |
| 00:10:49 | senab | whens yours llorean? |
| 00:10:54 | Llorean | The 12th |
| 00:10:59 | BiptoN | huh |
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| 00:11:28 | dan_a | Llorean: It's the end of the month. I asked for PP5024 documentation for Christmas, but obviously hadn't been a good enough boy this year |
| 00:11:39 | BiptoN | i just put a 900mAh battery in my ipod4g, that would explain only 6 hours battery life than i spose |
| 00:11:44 | KCC | woow, beatMPgirl looks AMAZING! |
| 00:11:48 | KCC | anybody running this? |
| 00:11:56 | Llorean | dan_a: Ah, unfortunate. |
| 00:12:00 | * | Mouser_X has no Gigabeat yet. |
| 00:12:03 | senab | the battery runtime is a bit crap anyway |
| 00:12:06 | Mouser_X | ^ @ KCC |
| 00:12:40 | senab | dan_a: that just sounded dirty x-/ |
| 00:13:00 | senab | ignore me, i'm missing my gf lol |
| 00:13:22 | KCC | anybody got a car charger for their GigabeatF? |
| 00:13:30 | senab | check ebay |
| 00:13:34 | KCC | im gunna build my own if nobody sells a proper one lol |
| 00:13:37 | tamacracker | i do |
| 00:13:41 | tamacracker | just go to walmart |
| 00:13:44 | tamacracker | by a universal |
| 00:13:48 | tamacracker | look in the toshiba manual |
| 00:13:53 | tamacracker | at how much voltage it needs |
| 00:13:59 | tamacracker | i think it's 4.5 or 6 |
| 00:13:59 | KCC | it needs 5v |
| 00:14:02 | tamacracker | one of the two. |
| 00:14:10 | tamacracker | yeah so use 4.5 :D |
| 00:14:17 | KCC | iwas told that was a bad idea |
| 00:14:21 | senab | use 5v |
| 00:14:30 | tamacracker | what's a bad idea? |
| 00:14:35 | KCC | are those chargers on eBay safe? |
| 00:14:41 | tamacracker | to use a .5 lower voltage? |
| 00:14:44 | KCC | tamacracker: 4.5v on a 5v gigabeat |
| 00:14:50 | senab | don't make do with chargers not spec'ed for your player |
| 00:15:08 | tamacracker | :\ the next settin is 6 |
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| 00:15:36 | Llorean | Can the gigabeat charge from USB? |
| 00:15:57 | Mouser_X | I thought it could. I wouldn't know. |
| 00:16:02 | Mouser_X | :/ |
| 00:16:04 | tamacracker | i don't believe so... not that i know of honestly lol |
| 00:16:22 | tamacracker | is there any way i can make the font... "a lot" bigger? |
| 00:16:31 | KCC | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130062880113&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:CA:1 ... this guy claims 5.0 volt and 2867mA |
| 00:16:34 | senab | download a different font, it's the only way |
| 00:16:38 | KCC | would that be safe? |
| 00:16:53 | Mouser_X | tamacracker: Change the font, or the WPS, I think. |
| 00:16:59 | senab | i don't know, i haven't got a gigabeat, check the manual |
| 00:17:02 | tamacracker | wps and font doesn't change >.> |
| 00:17:07 | Llorean | tamacracker: Just pick a larger font. Try Unifont, it's fairly large, and supports many character sets |
| 00:17:28 | tamacracker | ok |
| 00:17:46 | senab | yes the gigabeat can charge from usb |
| 00:17:52 | tamacracker | lol |
| 00:18:00 | tamacracker | the font sizes definitely do not change. |
| 00:18:11 | tamacracker | and the .wps doesn't change either. |
| 00:18:26 | Llorean | tamacracker: So, "Unifont" shows up in the browse fonts list? |
| 00:18:27 | Mouser_X | Do you have different WPS and fonts installed? |
| 00:18:43 | tamacracker | yeah Llorean |
| 00:18:51 | tamacracker | yeah Mouser_X |
| 00:18:56 | tamacracker | I have 3 .wps |
| 00:18:58 | Llorean | Are you actually selecting it or just highlighting it and backing out of the menu? |
| 00:18:59 | Malakai | The WPS file format should include a target resolution line. |
| 00:19:01 | tamacracker | and a crap load of fonts |
| 00:19:03 | Llorean | I'm guessing you're pressing the wrong button on it. |
| 00:19:06 | tamacracker | but the fonts and wps files dont do anything. |
| 00:19:28 | tamacracker | i hit the very center of the cross... which is to select. |
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| 00:19:43 | senab | i quite like the look of those gigabeats |
| 00:19:46 | tamacracker | unless the center of the cross no longer is the select button? |
| 00:20:05 | Llorean | I don't have a gigabeat. |
| 00:20:09 | Llorean | What does the manual say? |
| 00:20:22 | goffa | center cross is select |
| 00:20:38 | Malakai | tamacracker: push the right arrow to select the WPS theme |
| 00:20:39 | tamacracker | wps files - i catcher, rock box default, and unicatcher |
| 00:20:46 | tamacracker | did Malakai. |
| 00:21:00 | tamacracker | it even says loading |
| 00:21:38 | Russ__ | lemme try. The default font is bugging me too. Just downloaded the font pack. |
| 00:21:51 | Malakai | works for me, and i just did a full build from CVS |
| 00:21:59 | Malakai | with make fullzip |
| 00:22:06 | Malakai | font switching and theme switching work fine |
| 00:22:09 | tamacracker | i didn't do CVS >.> |
| 00:22:12 | tamacracker | i did daily. |
| 00:22:14 | senab | who made icatcher for 320x240? |
| 00:22:29 | tamacracker | i like the zooming option on the pictures... |
| 00:23:46 | Russ__ | Ok - here is the only dealbreaker for me totally switching to rb on my F40. I need a quick "delete current song" option. It doesn't seem like that is in rockbox at all. |
| 00:23:46 | tamacracker | crap non of the three themes work. |
| 00:23:51 | Llorean | Russ__: Try reading the manual. |
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| 00:23:57 | Llorean | Russ__: There's a Delete option in the context menu. |
| 00:24:47 | Malakai | dealbreaker huh. You mean you're prepared to walk away w/ o that one |
| 00:24:51 | Russ__ | Don't you have to go back to the file browse menu and delete the song from there? |
| 00:25:14 | Mouser_X | I don't think so... This was talked about a day or 3 ago. |
| 00:25:31 | Russ__ | Yeah - probably brought up by me. ;-) |
| 00:25:35 | senab | gotta say, i love some of the gigabeat wps' |
| 00:25:42 | Llorean | Russ__: Click and hold on the file, and choose delete. |
| 00:25:55 | Llorean | Russ__: If you're in WPS, clicking and holding should pop up the menu for the current file. |
| 00:25:55 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 00:26:03 | Mouser_X | Russ__: If it was brought up by you, then you missed the answer. |
| 00:26:05 | Llorean | You may want to choose to have the filetree follow the playlist. |
| 00:26:12 | Mouser_X | The solution was already brought up. |
| 00:26:12 | senab | tama: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 00:26:23 | Llorean | Mouser_X: I answered it last time too. :) |
| 00:26:34 | tamacracker | sweet |
| 00:26:34 | tamacracker | thank you senab |
| 00:26:42 | senab | my fave is pixel |
| 00:26:55 | senab | think i'm going to port that to 320x240 |
| 00:27:23 | tamacracker | you like pixel? |
| 00:27:26 | Mouser_X | I'm planning on porting the iPod's Winamp styled WPS. |
| 00:27:27 | tamacracker | that's too unix for me man |
| 00:27:29 | tamacracker | LOL |
| 00:27:39 | Mouser_X | I like Pixel as well, actually. |
| 00:27:44 | tamacracker | yeah i would love to have a winamp look alike for my gigabeat |
| 00:27:47 | tamacracker | really? |
| 00:27:52 | tamacracker | i guess simple is ok? |
| 00:27:57 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 00:28:02 | senab | i like Sta aswell, got a lot of potential |
| 00:29:00 | tamacracker | yeah sta is nice |
| 00:29:00 | tamacracker | i like that gui |
| 00:29:08 | Mouser_X | I still need a Gigabeat though, before I start any porting of WPS themes... |
| 00:29:10 | senab | seems a lot more logical having the screen portrait ways |
| 00:29:14 | tamacracker | that's one of the reasons why i choose linux over windows.. .the gui. |
| 00:29:36 | senab | linux can be just as nice believe me |
| 00:29:58 | Russ__ | Alright - I think I got it now. Lots of different options. Too many buttons - hehe. |
| 00:30:23 | tamacracker | BeatMP Girl is the kind of GUI i like. |
| 00:30:30 | tamacracker | i like the play button |
| 00:30:42 | tamacracker | and the bottom bar... looks "wet" |
| 00:31:04 | senab | the 'glass' effect |
| 00:31:07 | tamacracker | yep :) |
| 00:31:14 | tamacracker | that's where it is man |
| 00:31:17 | tamacracker | the glassy/wet look |
| 00:31:34 | senab | i based a wps on that for the 5g ipod |
| 00:31:52 | tamacracker | nice |
| 00:32:34 | senab | i'm trying to make a wps for use in my car, but the trouble is they look crap with the large fonts |
| 00:32:58 | senab | i guess it'll have to be functionality over aesthetics lol |
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| 00:33:25 | Llorean | Mouser_X: You can work on WPSes with the simulator rather easily. |
| 00:33:58 | Mouser_X | Llorean: How would I set that up? I haven't figured out anything relating to the simulator, whatsoever. |
| 00:34:09 | Mouser_X | Do I need to compile my own? |
| 00:34:24 | Mouser_X | If yes, could you link me to where I'd get started? |
| 00:34:42 | BiptoN | rockbox is written from c+ right? |
| 00:34:50 | goffa | just c |
| 00:34:51 | Mouser_X | C, not C++ |
| 00:34:53 | BiptoN | thanks |
| 00:35:18 | tamacracker | wps are themes? |
| 00:35:32 | Mouser_X | Basically, yes. |
| 00:35:37 | tamacracker | ok |
| 00:35:38 | tamacracker | cool |
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| 00:36:21 | Llorean | Mouser_X: What OS are you? |
| 00:36:30 | Mouser_X | WinXP Pro SP1 |
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| 00:36:33 | Llorean | Mouser_X: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 00:36:41 | Mouser_X | Thanks |
| 00:36:45 | Llorean | Use the included .bat file to run it, if there is one. |
| 00:36:54 | ruisu | lol i was going to ask that XD |
| 00:37:02 | senab | mouser_x, most wps' use patches though |
| 00:37:11 | senab | therefore that build will be pretty useless |
| 00:37:20 | Llorean | senab: Not for creating one. |
| 00:37:28 | Llorean | Just for using/modifying one that requires patches. |
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| 00:37:41 | * | Llorean still thinks you can make damn fine looking WPSes without any patches. |
| 00:37:56 | senab | there's only one patch i need when creating a wps |
| 00:38:01 | senab | and thats scrolling margins |
| 00:38:06 | Llorean | Heh |
| 00:38:11 | tamacracker | ahhhaaa |
| 00:38:18 | tamacracker | not a bad booty at all. |
| 00:38:21 | Llorean | There was some talk about including scrolling margins in CVS at one point. |
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| 00:38:29 | tamacracker | >.> wouldn't mind havin my own lady's booty on there though |
| 00:38:35 | senab | i though viewports was stopping that? |
| 00:38:38 | senab | *thought |
| 00:38:50 | Mouser_X | Llorean: Thanks for the link. That will be useful. |
| 00:38:54 | Llorean | Yeah, but I think the conversation eventually came around to "With how far off viewports are, it is a valid feature" |
| 00:39:03 | Llorean | But it was a while ago and I could remember poorly |
| 00:39:24 | senab | there are some drawbacks with scrolling margins though |
| 00:40:06 | senab | album art is also a personal must have |
| 00:40:08 | Llorean | The fact that they don't update except on track changes? |
| 00:40:17 | tamacracker | eeek |
| 00:40:18 | Llorean | Album Art is still waiting on Metadata on Buffer. |
| 00:40:22 | tamacracker | i really gotta work on the font size. |
| 00:40:37 | tamacracker | the font is just way too small for me to read while driving. |
| 00:40:43 | senab | no the fact that the margins don't reset the lcd margins on a new line |
| 00:40:57 | senab | *no the fact that the margins don't reset to the lcd margins on a new line |
| 00:41:12 | Llorean | Ah |
| 00:41:19 | Llorean | I can't imagine that being a hard fix. |
| 00:41:32 | senab | i was going to have a look, just haven't had time |
| 00:41:32 | Llorean | Then again, if it were easy, it would be fixed, I'd think |
| 00:41:45 | senab | no one is updating it anymore afaik |
| 00:42:09 | Llorean | Yeah, I recall the author getting rather frustrated that several of his things didn't get into CVS, if it's the incident I remember. |
| 00:42:23 | Russ__ | Ahhh - unifont. Big improvment. |
| 00:42:25 | tamacracker | would I be able to delete these fonts? and reinstall them? |
| 00:42:29 | Llorean | He felt not enough time was being spent reviewing and including patches. |
| 00:42:34 | tamacracker | unifont doesn't work on mine :\ |
| 00:42:50 | Llorean | tamacracker: Deleting them and reinstalling them probably won't change things. |
| 00:42:55 | Llorean | I'm curious what's been done wrong. |
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| 00:43:11 | tamacracker | >.> i followed the instrutions |
| 00:43:23 | tamacracker | instructions* |
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| 00:43:55 | senab | i can understand his anger, especially with such a big patch |
| 00:44:52 | Llorean | senab: But nobody made him make the patch, and some asking around in here before could've judged it's possibility of inclusion before it started. |
| 00:44:58 | Russ__ | none of the fonts work on yours - or just that one? Which player are you using? |
| 00:45:26 | senab | llorean: i know, i'm not blaming anyone |
| 00:45:40 | senab | it's just one of those things |
| 00:45:44 | Llorean | Yeah, it happens. |
| 00:45:47 | tamacracker | Russ_ |
| 00:45:52 | tamacracker | I'm using the F10 |
| 00:45:55 | Llorean | It's sad that he left though. |
| 00:46:01 | tamacracker | and i have over 20 different fonts |
| 00:46:11 | tamacracker | but non of them do anything. |
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| 00:46:57 | Overand | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6175 <−− I'm having this bug, and would love to help provide more info if I can. Don't know exactly what route to go. I'm at work right now, but I'll hit up the wiki on bug reports soon, unless anyone has something specific |
| 00:47:05 | Russ__ | bummer. F40 here. That default font definately would have caused a car crash for me. Didn't fit right in the WPS either. |
| 00:47:23 | tamacracker | this is just too small |
| 00:47:28 | senab | overand: i get this sometimes too |
| 00:47:38 | tamacracker | i literally have to stick my mp3 player in my face and i have 20/20 vision. |
| 00:47:47 | senab | overand, hold menu+select when it does this, it'll then reboot completely |
| 00:47:50 | tamacracker | Is Malakai here? |
| 00:48:17 | tamacracker | I wonder if he has instructions on how to revert my converted files from .mp3.sat to .mp3 or .wav |
| 00:48:19 | Llorean | Overand: Since it happens while the device is off, and immediately upon poweron, it's a bug in Apple's code handling poweron as opposed to waking from sleep. |
| 00:48:50 | senab | yep |
| 00:48:54 | Llorean | tamacracker: And can you get music to play? |
| 00:49:10 | senab | but since i've updated to ipod firmware 1.21 it hasn't happened |
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| 00:49:51 | tamacracker | no Llorean |
| 00:50:02 | tamacracker | it doesn't recognize the audio fiels |
| 00:50:02 | tamacracker | files |
| 00:50:05 | Russ__ | I read that you can use WMP to get them back to .mp3 - never tried it though. I don't use WMP. |
| 00:50:06 | tamacracker | but it does see them. |
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| 00:50:16 | Llorean | Regular audio files? |
| 00:50:16 | tamacracker | wmp? |
| 00:50:18 | Llorean | Not the .sat ones? |
| 00:50:21 | tamacracker | from .sat? |
| 00:50:26 | tamacracker | llorean |
| 00:50:28 | tamacracker | as of now |
| 00:50:30 | tamacracker | all my files at .sat |
| 00:50:37 | tamacracker | so they will not play. |
| 00:50:41 | Llorean | Put a normal MP3 on there, and try it. |
| 00:50:58 | Overand | senab: I know holding menu+select works, I didn't have a problem with that. |
| 00:51:15 | tamacracker | windows media player can do that?... |
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| 00:51:19 | tamacracker | i dunno how that's possible. |
| 00:51:26 | tamacracker | Llorean im gonna try that irght now |
| 00:51:27 | tamacracker | right* |
| 00:51:27 | senab | try upgrading the ipod firmware, as i say i haven't had any trouble since updating |
| 00:51:49 | Overand | (I'm on 1.2.1) |
| 00:52:10 | Overand | it only happens when "plugged in"it seems |
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| 00:52:14 | Overand | i left a fairly detailed description of it on the bugtracker |
| 00:52:32 | * | Llorean wonders how we're supposed to fix Apple's bug. |
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| 00:53:02 | senab | overand: okay seems its still there |
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| 00:57:08 | Llorean | We should post that when searching the patch tracker, people should change from "All Open Tasks" to "All statuses" so that when they look they can see if their idea has already been rejected, too. |
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| 01:18:49 | mlind | 'Ello. I can't seem to edit my tasks on FlySpray. Why? Or how? |
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| 01:27:01 | mlind | No one who knows? |
| 01:27:20 | mlind | Do I have to be on a "developers" list? |
| 01:28:00 | mlind | ...or "group" was maybe the word |
| 01:28:13 | dan_a | mlind: I think you might have to be, but I'm not sure who the best person to ask is. Maybe Bagder? |
| 01:29:52 | KCC | should I update my gigabeat to firmware 3.00 before loading Rockbox? |
| 01:29:59 | Mikachu | yeah, only devels can edit tasks |
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| 01:30:49 | mlind | dan_a: ok, thanks |
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| 01:32:49 | Russ__ | I think my F40 firmware is still at 2.0 and rb works fine. |
| 01:33:01 | Russ__ | lemme double check |
| 01:33:20 | Soap | well, depends on how you define "fully" |
| 01:33:48 | Soap | ^^ignore that - I just replied to a 7 hour old question, sorry. |
| 01:35:02 | KCC | thanks russ |
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| 01:37:10 | Russ__ | Hmmm - tried to boot into original os to check firmware revision and it didn't work. |
| 01:37:31 | Russ__ | "Woops, should not return from firmware." |
| 01:37:58 | Malakai | GB bootloader isn't really feature complete yet |
| 01:38:12 | KCC | haha thanks anyways russ, ur the man |
| 01:38:15 | Malakai | You can't switch to the original FW from rockbox. |
| 01:38:42 | Malakai | you would have to manually swap the FWIMG01.DAT file with .ORIG |
| 01:38:57 | Russ__ | Well, then it shouldn't say that at boot! hehe |
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| 01:39:38 | * | Russ__ goes to put in a bug notice |
| 01:39:38 | Malakai | baby steps |
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| 01:40:04 | Malakai | the GB hackers are still trying to get the GB to restart programatically |
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| 01:40:19 | Malakai | once they can get it to reload on command, most of the BL will be complete |
| 01:40:20 | KCC | i love the GB hackers |
| 01:40:21 | KCC | all of you |
| 01:40:22 | Llorean | Russ__: Don't file bug reports for known incomplete things. |
| 01:40:24 | KCC | seriously |
| 01:40:52 | Russ__ | Llorean: I'm just joking. |
| 01:41:24 | Llorean | Russ__: Many people do so. I had no way of knowing. We frequently get bug reports like "WMA files freeze when I try to play them" |
| 01:41:26 | Russ__ | I've been following the irc logs of gigabeat for months. I know how new all the progress is. Amazing stuff. |
| 01:44:12 | Malakai | Bug #82734 Gigabeat F series turns all MP3's to .MP3.SAT, PLEASE FIX ASAP, OR I WONT USE ROXBOCKS!!!!!!!! EVA! |
| 01:44:38 | KCC | OMGWTFLMFAOROFL |
| 01:45:43 | Llorean | Malakai: Honestly, the most irritating are the feature requests we get for things that Rockbox already does. I'm always tempted to type as further explanation for closing them "User is illiterate, or immune to manuals" |
| 01:46:12 | Malakai | Bug Cause: Somewhere between keyboard and back of users head. |
| 01:46:21 | Llorean | The fact that they went through the effort of going to our feature request tracker, and typing out a request for something, without first just checking the manual. Heh. |
| 01:46:21 | Malakai | Bug Fix: Decapitation |
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| 01:46:43 | Malakai | it's like that in every open project. |
| 01:46:44 | tamacracker | Got a new problem. |
| 01:47:04 | tamacracker | When starting the mp3 player and holding A buttom |
| 01:47:07 | tamacracker | button. |
| 01:47:14 | tamacracker | i get an error. |
| 01:47:30 | scorche | yeah, but not all OS projects have 12 year olds wanting to install and use their product for doom |
| 01:47:30 | Malakai | P: "Doctor when I do this it hurts." |
| 01:47:33 | Malakai | D: Don't do that |
| 01:48:09 | Llorean | scorche: Many OS products also don't have full PDF manuals with screenshots and everything |
| 01:48:21 | tamacracker | Error: Woops, should not return from firmware! |
| 01:48:24 | scorche | Llorean: and regularly updated |
| 01:48:25 | Malakai | scor: Crystalspace had a group like that for awhile. It was tied to a MMORPG and people who beta'd the game would come into the CS channels begging for some high level featgure already possible |
| 01:48:52 | Malakai | The documentation for RB is very impressive. It's just sad to think how few people will ever read them |
| 01:49:15 | Malakai | but if they weren't there, people would say "OMG, make some documentation and maybe we won't ask stupid questions" |
| 01:49:43 | tamacracker | Is there any other way to convert the files from sat to mp3 other than using windows media player? |
| 01:50:22 | tamacracker | I can't even go back to my default firmware :\ |
| 01:51:06 | dan_a | I would love to see some documentation installed onto the players with Rockbox. I'm thinking about ways to do this. |
| 01:51:17 | Malakai | tamacracker: there is a process. but it's not fun |
| 01:51:34 | tamacracker | im assuming through notepad? |
| 01:51:41 | Malakai | tamacracker: if you get the GB into MTP mode via WMP, you can at some point bring up a MTP view of the files, and they are decrypted |
| 01:51:48 | Malakai | you can then transfer them to the HD at USB 1.1 speeds |
| 01:52:22 | Febs | Malakai: I did a survey on the forums once, and was surprised by the number of people who had at least referred to the manual. |
| 01:52:30 | tamacracker | ugh just thinkin about downloading all those albums again makes me sick to my stomach |
| 01:53:06 | Malakai | you should buy an external 160GB drive in a USB enclosure and make it your MP3 library, then pull from there and push to any DAP you buy |
| 01:53:09 | tamacracker | Malakai, what does that error mean? Woops, should not return from firmware! ? |
| 01:53:22 | tamacracker | tru Malakai |
| 01:53:43 | Malakai | tamacracker: the GB bootloader is trying to reboot but the code to do that isn't finished |
| 01:54:17 | Llorean | dan_a: It'd have to be easily browsable, like a limited HTML, for easy navigation. |
| 01:54:18 | tamacracker | oh lol so just let it keep runnin? |
| 01:54:25 | Llorean | Or cut into a lot of chunks, though that makes it harder to search |
| 01:54:40 | tamacracker | or literally the code isn't finished? |
| 01:54:51 | tamacracker | and im stuck until update |
| 01:54:56 | Malakai | Llorean: could use WAP |
| 01:55:06 | Malakai | HTML -> WAP 'cards' utilities exist |
| 01:55:17 | dan_a | Llorean: I was thinking of trying to adapt the quickstart section of the manual |
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| 01:55:46 | Malakai | Llorean: er i mean WML i suppose, not the actual WAP protocal stack |
| 01:55:53 | dan_a | And have a help.rock that got autostarted the first time someone used Rockbox |
| 01:56:01 | Russ__ | tamacracker: Why can't you go back to your original firmware? |
| 01:56:04 | Malakai | dan_a: investigate into WML |
| 01:56:07 | Llorean | dan_a: I wouldn't mind seeing a full manual using the viewer they're working on for wikipedia. |
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| 01:56:09 | Malakai | WML is made for small screen devices like phones |
| 01:56:34 | dan_a | Malakai: I will - the trick will be formatting the information to fit too |
| 01:56:55 | Malakai | I thnk the TEX files are pretty structured |
| 01:57:15 | Malakai | if you go TEX -> XML you might be able to write a simple XSL to get a rough WML version |
| 01:57:15 | tamacracker | Russ_ i have no idea |
| 01:57:22 | Malakai | basing each WML card on a section/paragraph |
| 01:57:23 | tamacracker | it will just freeze |
| 01:57:44 | Malakai | Russ__: ROLO and rebooting and original firmware is not ready yet for GB's |
| 01:57:56 | Malakai | noone's figure out a way to reboot the GB |
| 01:58:19 | Malakai | They tried to make the watchdog timer do it, but must be missing some setting |
| 01:58:20 | tamacracker | damn i wish i would have known that before installin this firmware, i would have been able to convert my mp3s back to normal. |
| 01:58:25 | dan_a | Malakai: I'll look at that idea |
| 01:58:33 | Malakai | tamacracker: you can revert manually |
| 01:58:42 | tamacracker | how so? |
| 01:58:46 | Malakai | tamacracker: rename the FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG to FWIMG01.DAT |
| 01:58:47 | Malakai | bam |
| 01:58:48 | Malakai | done |
| 01:58:51 | tamacracker | tru |
| 01:58:53 | tamacracker | nice |
| 01:59:14 | tamacracker | real quick question before i go back to windows |
| 01:59:20 | Malakai | that's all the bootloader is really going to do. Check for a .ORIG file, and replace the non-ORIG file with that data. |
| 01:59:31 | Llorean | I swear the Sansa boots faster Rockbox BL -> Retail, than it did straight retail. |
| 01:59:34 | tamacracker | when i open up windows media player |
| 01:59:49 | tamacracker | and click on "sync" tab |
| 01:59:51 | dan_a | Llorean: Probably - it doesn't need to decrypt the firmware |
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| 02:00:05 | Llorean | Ah, that'd do it. |
| 02:00:22 | Llorean | That kinda makes having the RB bootloader worth it even if I weren't all eager waiting for audio. |
| 02:00:36 | Llorean | Well, it would make it worth it if I could stand the retail firmware for more than about 5 minutes |
| 02:00:40 | tamacracker | Malakai, from where do i convert my files back? |
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| 02:00:45 | tamacracker | to regular mp3.. if you know? |
| 02:01:13 | tamacracker | i know i need to use windows media player |
| 02:01:19 | Malakai | tamacracker: boot up WMP11, then connect your GB. WMP should detect it and put it into MTP mode. If it doesn't, go into the GB software and tell it you want to use USB in WMP mode. |
| 02:01:35 | tamacracker | right? |
| 02:01:43 | tamacracker | then what? open the GB drive? |
| 02:01:58 | Malakai | tamacracker: once in MTP mode (as opposed to it just being a big USB harddrive) you can go to the Control Panel and click on Audio device or Digital Audio device... something, find your plaer, and 'browse' it |
| 02:02:00 | tamacracker | or does windows media player already have a converter? or ripper? |
| 02:02:05 | Mikachu | great, another meaning of GB, just what we need :) |
| 02:02:16 | Malakai | you'll get an exploer window of files, which if you drag to your harddrive will be converted back to .mp3 |
| 02:02:16 | tamacracker | right? |
| 02:02:33 | Malakai | Mikachu: context is everything in this world. |
| 02:02:36 | tamacracker | sweeet |
| 02:02:40 | tamacracker | thanks Malakai |
| 02:02:51 | Llorean | Mikachu: We should recommend GBT be used |
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| 02:03:05 | Llorean | One letter more, but no confusion with Gigabytes. |
| 02:03:09 | Malakai | gl with that one |
| 02:03:20 | Febs | Great. As if the user list weren't cluttered enough these days, now we have some ass looking for hosting for pirated music and cross-posting to multiple lists. |
| 02:03:25 | Malakai | i think context should be pretty easy to determine whcih someone is talking about. |
| 02:03:30 | Llorean | Malakai: One extra letter is to much? |
| 02:03:35 | Llorean | too |
| 02:03:40 | Malakai | i.e, I have 60GB of space on my GB |
| 02:03:52 | Malakai | if you can't parse that, you need to remove yourself from your gene pool. |
| 02:03:58 | Malakai | er our gene pool |
| 02:04:01 | Llorean | Malakai: Context works fine so long as the person typing the original message has a good grasp of english. |
| 02:04:13 | Malakai | well that can be a bitch. |
| 02:04:50 | Llorean | Why not type one more letter to avoid potential future confusion? |
| 02:05:00 | Mouser_X | GB = Gigabeat, Gigabyte, and Gameboy... |
| 02:05:00 | Malakai | habbit |
| 02:05:00 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 02:05:11 | Malakai | I was playing GB on my GB and ran out of GB's |
| 02:05:12 | Llorean | So, "I can't be bothered", gotcha. |
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| 02:05:22 | Mouser_X | lol @ Malakai |
| 02:05:38 | Malakai | Llorean: i think there's bigger fish to fry then abbreviations |
| 02:05:50 | Llorean | But frying the small fish doesn't cost anything |
| 02:05:57 | Llorean | That's not an excuse not to do it. |
| 02:06:07 | Malakai | but if you want to try and convert everyone that joins the channel to use GBT instead of GB, obviously noone will stop you. |
| 02:06:14 | Mouser_X | I think I'll use GBC (Gameboy Color), GBT (Gigabeat Toshiba) and GB (Gigabyte). |
| 02:06:14 | ruisu | So.. how hard is it to make a plugin? |
| 02:06:14 | Malakai | but there's a year worth of people reading IRC logs using GB |
| 02:06:23 | Llorean | Malakai: Honestly, I think we need a common abbreviations wiki page for a few things. |
| 02:06:43 | Mouser_X | Llorean: That sounds like a good idea. |
| 02:06:51 | Llorean | Especially confusion relating to 4G vs 4Gb when discussion iPods. |
| 02:07:03 | Malakai | I think we've spent too much time on it already, to be honest. i'm going to go back to writign my first plugin. |
| 02:07:19 | Llorean | Malakai: I don't see what you have against the idea of being explicit. |
| 02:07:36 | Llorean | For example, people coming in here and simple referring to the "S Series" as if that were a global term. |
| 02:08:02 | Llorean | While yes, the most likely S Series is the Gigabeat one, but if people aren't aware of the Gigabeat, they'll have no basis on which to make that leap. |
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| 02:08:50 | Llorean | Same falls true to GB. If they don't know about the Gigabeat, they're going to be more confused with an abbreviation they already have a meaning for than if simply handed an abbreviation they aren't familiar with. |
| 02:09:28 | * | Mouser_X is most familiar with it to mean Gameboy... |
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| 02:09:43 | Mouser_X | Shows where I hang out. |
| 02:10:03 | Mikachu | Malakai: 2G ipod is another ambiguous term |
| 02:10:23 | Llorean | I think GB is less ambiguous, but it's still enough that a distinction would help, especially for non Gigabeat users. |
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| 02:10:34 | Llorean | Maybe TGB. |
| 02:10:38 | Malakai | not ignoring you all, but going for dinner. |
| 02:10:41 | ruisu | hey, on what filesystems can rockbox run??? |
| 02:10:50 | Febs | FAT32 |
| 02:10:56 | ruisu | only? |
| 02:11:00 | Febs | Yes. |
| 02:11:04 | ruisu | ok thx |
| 02:11:06 | Mikachu | it sort of works on fat16 too |
| 02:11:12 | Mikachu | but i can't recommend it |
| 02:11:21 | ruisu | righ, thanks |
| 02:11:26 | ruisu | right* |
| 02:11:26 | Febs | It does not work on HFS+ or NTFS, if that is the question. |
| 02:11:45 | ruisu | hehe mhm thats right |
| 02:11:54 | ruisu | anyways... thanks |
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| 02:23:09 | * | Llorean loves it when people curse him out for pointing out to them that they're breaking the rules. |
| 02:23:54 | dan_a | What did the post say? The report made it sound entertaining |
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| 02:26:02 | Febs | Yeah, I'm curious too. |
| 02:28:20 | Llorean | Eh, it was random ranting about me telling him not to ask for progress reports. |
| 02:28:30 | perldiver | any news on that wps bug? |
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| 02:28:51 | Llorean | To give a general idea, when I then PMed him telling him that language is unacceptable his response to me began with the words "Hey cock gobbler" |
| 02:28:56 | Llorean | I've given him an absolute final warning now. |
| 02:29:09 | Febs | I liked the guy the other day who accused me of "despising all non-Rockbox DAPS" or something like that because I closed his thread about SonicStage in the New Ports forum. |
| 02:29:16 | Llorean | Which means you'll probably see a new ban show up in the list in about 10 minutes. |
| 02:29:46 | Llorean | Febs: I sent that guy a PM as well, explaining that your behaviour was completely acceptable by my standard, by the way. |
| 02:29:55 | Febs | Thank you. |
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| 02:31:25 | Febs | I've started just deleting inappropriate posts in the "New Ports" forum. |
| 02:31:43 | Febs | There's only so many times we can say "don't post just to ask for progress." |
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| 02:32:29 | Llorean | Febs: In most cases, I've deleted them and sent a PM. |
| 02:33:08 | Llorean | But it was widely discussed on that thread not to ask for progress, as well it's in the POSTING IN THIS FORUM post, so I wanted to reiterate it in-thread yet again. |
| 02:33:31 | Llorean | Anyway, as expected, he responded to me rather rudely. I've banned him for 14 days, read-only. |
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| 02:34:44 | Llorean | I have a suspicion he'll create a new account though. His IP is dynamic. So, if you see an abusive member at *.ks.ks.cox.net it's probably him again. |
| 02:35:30 | Llorean | Actually, he already did try to create another account. |
| 02:35:38 | Llorean | But the single-IP ban caught him. |
| 02:35:56 | Mikachu | maybe it's our old friend prot, he had cox.net but another city though |
| 02:39:41 | Llorean | Either way, he's gone for now, and I guess we'll see if he tries again tomorrow. |
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| 02:44:30 | * | Soap tries to avoid cox jokes. |
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| 02:46:01 | flipper | uhmmm hi all - i have a problem with my ipod 4g :( |
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| 02:48:15 | linuxstb | flipper: Are you going to share it? |
| 02:48:26 | flipper | i was waiting for a reply :) |
| 02:48:35 | flipper | i d/loaded the daily |
| 02:48:49 | flipper | along with the fonts and ibm tts english voice file |
| 02:49:10 | flipper | then follow the guide to install using ipodpatcher (after backing up the bootpartition first of course) |
| 02:49:20 | flipper | and i unplugged from usb to test it |
| 02:49:33 | flipper | it shows the Rockbox bootloader |
| 02:49:48 | flipper | and the backlight turns on |
| 02:49:51 | flipper | then it reboots |
| 02:49:55 | flipper | in an endless cycle! |
| 02:50:12 | flipper | i don't even have time to go into ipod diagnostic mode :) |
| 02:50:23 | flipper | any ideas? |
| 02:50:35 | linuxstb | Did you install the rockbox.zip file? |
| 02:50:51 | linuxstb | Holding SELECT+PLAY immediately after the reboot will get you into disk mode. |
| 02:50:55 | flipper | onto the ipod's drive? |
| 02:51:05 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:51:23 | flipper | no, I unpacked it first, then copied it to the ipod |
| 02:51:50 | linuxstb | Did you copy both the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder? |
| 02:51:54 | flipper | yes |
| 02:52:17 | linuxstb | What does your ipod say on the screen? Do you get an "error: -1" message? |
| 02:52:24 | flipper | uhmm i lll check |
| 02:52:32 | flipper | (the select+play doesn't work for me :( ) |
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| 02:52:58 | flipper | The last message on screen is "Loading original firmware.." |
| 02:53:00 | flipper | then it reboots |
| 02:53:12 | Mikachu | try rebooting manually with menu+select and then immediately press select+play when it reboots |
| 02:53:13 | linuxstb | You need to press select+play as early as you can. |
| 02:53:21 | flipper | yeah i am |
| 02:53:27 | linuxstb | And do what Mikachu says... |
| 02:53:36 | linuxstb | What;' |
| 02:53:39 | flipper | i cannot even soft reboot with s+play coz it reboots automatically too soon! |
| 02:53:47 | linuxstb | What's the message before "Loading original firmware" ? |
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| 02:53:55 | flipper | version numbers mostly |
| 02:54:02 | flipper | Partition 1: |
| 02:54:09 | flipper | 0x0b |
| 02:54:10 | linuxstb | No error message? |
| 02:54:20 | flipper | 19030 MB |
| 02:54:22 | flipper | nope |
| 02:54:23 | flipper | nada |
| 02:54:27 | linuxstb | Do you have the hold switch on? |
| 02:54:34 | flipper | YES! |
| 02:54:38 | flipper | thanks dude! |
| 02:54:44 | flipper | panic stations for me! |
| 02:54:47 | flipper | it's now working :) |
| 02:54:49 | Mikachu | doh, second today :) |
| 02:54:50 | flipper | PH-EW |
| 02:55:00 | flipper | need to stamp dumbass on my forehead :) |
| 02:55:20 | Mikachu | 03:19:31 <Llorean> Usually "I'm an idiot" is followed by "I forgot I had hold on." |
| 02:55:23 | Mikachu | :) |
| 02:55:23 | linuxstb | But there's a bug with the new ipodpatcher (or the bootloader) on some ipods meaning the original firmware doesn't start. |
| 02:55:31 | flipper | lol |
| 02:55:34 | flipper | ahhh i c |
| 02:55:52 | flipper | I'm relieved it's not a paperweight ! |
| 02:56:02 | Mikachu | maybe the bootloader should print HOLD IS ON with red letters |
| 02:56:19 | flipper | it would help :) |
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| 02:56:56 | flipper | time to play with my phoenix-like 4g :) - thanks for your help linuxstb + mikachi! |
| 02:57:09 | Mikachu | np flupper |
| 02:57:30 | * | flipper adds 20pts karma to mikachu + linuxstb :) |
| 02:57:35 | flipper | bye for now! |
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| 02:58:11 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It wouldn't be a problem if the bootloader worked and loaded the original firmware... |
| 02:58:57 | Mikachu | i think the apple instructions for resetting the ipod specifically say to turn hold on and off |
| 02:59:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is it 4G mono only, or do Photos do it too? |
| 02:59:09 | Llorean | Mikachu: They do. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Would having someone -a a bootloader and then -d be likely to reveal whether it's ipodpatcher or the bootloader that's the problem? |
| 03:01:43 | linuxstb | Llorean: Someone trying an old bootloader with the new ipodpatcher could be useful, but I have a feeling someone has (unsuccessfully) tried that. |
| 03:02:52 | Llorean | Now I just need to find someone with an acceptable iPod |
| 03:03:03 | linuxstb | The first thing I want to do is compare a 4g firmware partition created by the new ipodpatcher and one created by one with the old ipod_fw method. |
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| 03:13:58 | * | Llorean wonders what ever happened to spam posts. |
| 03:14:19 | Llorean | I mean, not that I'm upset that they're gone, but looking over the ban list, they only seemed to happen from June - August. |
| 03:14:28 | Llorean | Is there a spamming season? |
| 03:18:49 | linuxstb | Maybe you scared them off |
| 03:18:49 | KCC | any hockey fans in here? |
| 03:19:00 | Llorean | KCC: #Rockbox, not #Hockey. |
| 03:19:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wonder if naming the first semi-hidden forum "Spam" actually worked. The timeframes line up. |
| 03:19:33 | KCC | "You do not have channel operator access to [#hockey]" |
| 03:19:38 | KCC | hmmm... strange |
| 03:19:53 | orkid | geez is this #rockbox-nazi ? |
| 03:19:57 | Llorean | My point was that it's dramatically off topic. |
| 03:20:12 | KCC | alright, lets bring it on topic then |
| 03:20:22 | Mikachu | are you playing hockey with a bricked player? |
| 03:20:28 | KCC | I loaded Robkboy on my GB anddd i was playing Blades of Steal |
| 03:20:35 | Llorean | I bet the Sansa would make a good puck. |
| 03:20:49 | KCC | or the first dell dj's |
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| 03:20:54 | KCC | the ones that were about 5 pounds |
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| 03:21:44 | KCC | ...how do I go about getting channel operator access to #hockey |
| 03:22:17 | Llorean | Operator access means you're an owner or controller of the channel. |
| 03:22:49 | Mikachu | the channel is already registered |
| 03:22:59 | Mikachu | Contact: scott, last seen: 28 weeks 2 days (6h 2m 31s) ago |
| 03:23:11 | KCC | wow eh |
| 03:23:17 | KCC | go figure |
| 03:23:28 | Mikachu | Last Seen Address: n=numist@freenode/staff/scott |
| 03:23:53 | Mikachu | that last seen means on that channel, last seen on the network was 4 weeks ago |
| 03:24:30 | Mikachu | if you really want it i guess you could ask an oper |
| 03:24:54 | KCC | yeahh i dont really want it |
| 03:24:57 | KCC | plus, my senators lost anyways |
| 03:25:01 | KCC | dont wanna talk about hockey right now |
| 03:26:37 | KCC | wow that black gigabeat f20 is pretty sexy |
| 03:26:46 | KCC | whyy didnt the f40 come in that color?! |
| 03:26:51 | KCC | instead i get metallic beige |
| 03:26:52 | KCC | worst color |
| 03:26:53 | perldiver | yes yes |
| 03:27:01 | perldiver | f20 is pure sex |
| 03:27:22 | perldiver | and f40 is fatter |
| 03:28:05 | KCC | wow, too bad eh |
| 03:28:17 | KCC | the f40 is fatter cause its HDD is dual-platter |
| 03:28:20 | Soap | Llorean: the topic of semi-hidden forums is teasing my interest. |
| 03:29:05 | perldiver | KCC i want the red x30 |
| 03:29:11 | Llorean | Soap: It's pretty simple. Guests can't see it, those with 1+ posts can't see it. Only zero-post members can see it. Spambots tend to spam the first forum, so it's at the top of the list. |
| 03:29:15 | perldiver | trying to find it for awhile now |
| 03:29:23 | Mikachu | making the expensive one a better color is obviously a marketing trick |
| 03:29:34 | Mikachu | or wait, it was the other way around |
| 03:29:48 | perldiver | Mikachu exactly, other way around |
| 03:29:53 | KCC | other way around mikachu |
| 03:29:56 | KCC | strange |
| 03:30:06 | Mikachu | yes i think we agree it is the other way around |
| 03:30:40 | perldiver | and black x60 is probably the best mp3 player ever made |
| 03:30:46 | KCC | yup, unanimous descision |
| 03:31:01 | KCC | the x-series never came to this side of the short did it |
| 03:31:04 | KCC | shore* |
| 03:31:08 | perldiver | yes |
| 03:31:37 | KCC | imagine this badboy running beatMPgirl... http://www.audiocubes.com/images/f_toshiba_gigabeatx60.jpg |
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| 03:31:51 | perldiver | actually some online us stores had for a brief moment for a reasonable price |
| 03:31:57 | perldiver | but everybody igmored that fact |
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| 03:32:12 | Llorean | How scratch resistant are gigabeats? |
| 03:32:18 | perldiver | KCC that player is TOO GOOD |
| 03:32:20 | perldiver | i cant look |
| 03:32:27 | perldiver | logbot very resistant |
| 03:32:28 | perldiver | to anything |
| 03:32:34 | perldiver | dropping, scratching, throwing |
| 03:32:38 | perldiver | i own 2 |
| 03:32:44 | perldiver | they are still like new |
| 03:32:55 | Llorean | If someone actually threw their MP3 player, they don't really deserve to have it keep working... |
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| 03:33:16 | Mikachu | i've dropped my nano quite a few times by accident, don't think i've ever thrown it though |
| 03:33:35 | Llorean | Dropping is different. :-P |
| 03:33:45 | Mikachu | also, if it is resistant to scratching, what you are doing isn't scratching :) |
| 03:33:50 | perldiver | Llorean my friend sent his flying by accident |
| 03:33:56 | KCC | wow, this is one crazy price for an x30... http://cgi.ebay.ca/NEW-MP3-Player-GIGABEAT-X30-RED_W0QQitemZ130059918085QQihZ003QQcategoryZ73839QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 03:34:02 | Mikachu | did he think it was a wiimote? |
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| 03:34:57 | KCC | that thing would cost me $500 |
| 03:35:12 | KCC | i spent $175 on a brand new F40, and it came with a technohm case |
| 03:35:29 | KCC | not worth the extra $315 for .x inches of screen space, haha |
| 03:35:32 | KCC | .2 inches* |
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| 03:40:59 | rockboxer105 | hey all |
| 03:42:17 | d47 | hello =) |
| 03:42:59 | rockboxer105 | decided to drop in after downloading rockbox...figuring out the controls and such right now |
| 03:43:11 | d47 | omg its great isnt it |
| 03:43:19 | d47 | what player do you have? |
| 03:43:29 | rockboxer105 | ipod video |
| 03:44:08 | rockboxer105 | and so far its really cool |
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| 03:44:21 | rockboxer105 | though i keep pressing menu to quit |
| 03:44:42 | d47 | ha, i spose that would be annoying |
| 03:44:46 | d47 | i have a gigabeat |
| 03:44:49 | rockboxer105 | ah |
| 03:45:16 | rockboxer105 | umm...how do i exit plugins?(i finaly found the main menu :p) |
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| 03:45:42 | d47 | hmm i dunno on an ipod, sry =/ |
| 03:45:53 | rockboxer105 | np |
| 03:46:23 | rockboxer105 | cause i tried playing doom to try it out...and well its a demo(as in a video) |
| 03:46:24 | Llorean | Menu or Menu+Select depending on the plugin I beliee |
| 03:46:30 | rockboxer105 | ok |
| 03:46:33 | rockboxer105 | thanks |
| 03:47:06 | rockboxer105 | oh..i see you cant just exit can you? |
| 03:49:06 | rockboxer105 | what are some of your guys themes? |
| 03:49:14 | rockboxer105 | *favorite |
| 03:49:36 | * | Soap uses the Winamp clone. |
| 03:49:39 | d47 | i saw a rly good one for the ipod called the 'X' theme |
| 03:50:04 | combrains | Llorean, in reading your discusson about noobs asking dumb questions on the forums, why not include a link to the RB manual on the daily and CVS download pages |
| 03:50:08 | Llorean | I use Rockbox_Default with the peakmeters stripped, and a black and white picture of Thomas Edison underneath it instead. |
| 03:50:18 | Llorean | combrains: There is one. |
| 03:50:31 | Llorean | combrains: That menu bar on the left side is there on *every* page except the flyspray tracker. |
| 03:50:35 | Soap | Tesla is a better theme than Edison. |
| 03:50:41 | Llorean | Soap: Yeah, but I don't have a cool picture of Tesla. |
| 03:50:47 | Llorean | Plus, Tesla did radio didn't he? |
| 03:50:58 | Llorean | I thought Edison was still the "recording" guy, despite all the controversy. |
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| 03:51:12 | combrains | I know its in the menu bar, but that is marked 'documentation' which takes you to a wiki page |
| 03:51:18 | * | Soap can't talk right now due to his tongue being stuck in his cheek. |
| 03:51:39 | Llorean | combrains: When you click the word "Manual" it takes you to the wiki? |
| 03:51:43 | Llorean | combrains: It certainly doesn't for me. |
| 03:51:52 | TheCollector | Llorean: yeah, Tesla was the radio guy |
| 03:51:58 | combrains | ok - my bad but what I'm aying is... |
| 03:52:01 | d47 | rockboxer105: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6629.0 |
| 03:52:13 | d47 | rockboxer105: i think that 1 looks great |
| 03:52:22 | linuxstb | combrains: The install instructions are _in_ the manual... |
| 03:52:40 | combrains | why not put the link to the download for the manual on the same page as RB itself? |
| 03:52:54 | combrains | saves an extra click that many noobs don't bother with |
| 03:53:28 | Llorean | combrains: I'm sure when there's a release, the manual will be included in the download archive. |
| 03:53:36 | rockboxer105 | d47- thanks that looks really cool |
| 03:53:40 | Llorean | Right now there are daily builds of the draft manual, and frequent builds of the incomplete firmware. |
| 03:54:59 | combrains | I don't think RB will ever be complete in the sense of the word |
| 03:55:01 | rockboxer105 | right now i'm using jclix |
| 03:55:14 | combrains | It's an open project so it will be forever evolving |
| 03:55:24 | Llorean | Soap: See, I had this picture of edison, which works well when scaled for H120 or Nano: http://www.warrenellis.com/image/edison08.gif (minus the text above it) |
| 03:55:37 | Llorean | combrains: Yes, but release version do happen on rare occasions. |
| 03:56:13 | Llorean | combrains: I don't see how putting it on the same page is going to make it more likely to be downloaded. If they don't look for it at all, they won't look. |
| 03:56:26 | Llorean | How many people do you think see the "Manual" link, think "Oh no, I have to click again" and don't do it? |
| 03:56:35 | combrains | thats the whole thing - they won't have to look! |
| 03:56:43 | Llorean | Yes, they will. |
| 03:56:53 | combrains | they are already looking there |
| 03:56:56 | Llorean | Yes, for a build to download. |
| 03:57:17 | Llorean | combrains: I bet you didn't even look at the daily build page. |
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| 03:57:27 | d47 | you guys are silly, lol thats so trivial |
| 03:57:46 | combrains | hey - thats unfair. I get my build from there almost every day |
| 03:58:02 | linuxstb | combrains: Look again... |
| 03:58:08 | combrains | and yes - I have read the manual for the GB |
| 03:58:13 | * | Llorean points to the Manual link under each Daily build. |
| 03:58:19 | Febs | I count 23 links to the manual on the daily build page. |
| 03:58:31 | Febs | 24 if you count the one in the navigation frame. |
| 03:58:38 | Llorean | It's only the CVS page that lacks them. |
| 03:59:02 | combrains | ok - my bad - im getting CVS and daily pages confused |
| 03:59:09 | combrains | I go to CVS |
| 03:59:24 | Llorean | Which is clearly a development focused page, notice the giant build table? |
| 03:59:33 | combrains | well duh |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:03 | combrains | i'll shut up now :) |
| 04:00:15 | d47 | heh |
| 04:00:23 | * | Llorean wonders if this qualifies as a "feature request for something we already have" :) |
| 04:00:39 | rockboxer105 | well i have to go |
| 04:00:41 | rockboxer105 | bye all |
| 04:00:45 | d47 | bi bu |
| 04:00:47 | Llorean | The problem isn't that people can't find the manual, but that people just don't look. |
| 04:00:50 | d47 | bu bi * |
| 04:00:55 | Llorean | Or in some cases, read it, but only see the portions they want. |
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| 04:04:35 | d47 | how long should it take to send the activation code for the wiki after signing up? i assume not very long, if so could i get it re-sent? |
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| 04:06:12 | combrains | it wasn't a feature request, it was a sugestion to a problem that you were moaning about |
| 04:06:32 | Soap | regarding the manual, I have long held that Doom instructions should be split up, and scattered throughout the manual, requiring the reading of the full manual to find all the instructions for Doom. |
| 04:06:49 | d47 | hha |
| 04:07:25 | Llorean | Soap: What, don't we get enough "How I play doooooom?" posts already? |
| 04:07:38 | d47 | i cant wait for doom on the gigabeat |
| 04:08:08 | Llorean | I hear that it worked prior to syncing with CVS. |
| 04:08:09 | Llorean | Oddly |
| 04:08:18 | Soap | d47, if you love the Gigabeat as I am sure you do, Doom is a curse you will come to regret. |
| 04:08:36 | combrains | you would think that if people were techno savvy enough to put rb on their players then they could work out how to play to in 2 seconds |
| 04:08:58 | d47 | lol im hooked on playing pokemon red with the gameboy emulator |
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| 04:10:52 | d47 | so any1 know how to get the activation code for the wiki re-sent? |
| 04:12:57 | Llorean | Does it send an activation? |
| 04:13:08 | d47 | yea |
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| 04:18:29 | DraX | is there a reason rockboy doesn't work on X5? |
| 04:18:54 | linuxstb | No-one has adapted the display code for the X5's LCD. |
| 04:19:40 | DraX | ahh |
| 04:19:41 | DraX | :( |
| 04:19:52 | linuxstb | Feel free... |
| 04:19:59 | d47 | heh |
| 04:20:58 | DraX | yeah I don't really have the skill set |
| 04:21:00 | DraX | too bad |
| 04:22:37 | DraX | so in some of the WPS screen shots people have album art.. how does one get that to work? |
| 04:23:27 | linuxstb | You need to apply the album-art patch - it's not in the official CVS builds. |
| 04:23:45 | DraX | is it intended to be merged at any point? |
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| 04:26:14 | Llorean | At some point, but there are conditions it's waiting for. |
| 04:27:15 | DraX | how does it store album art on disc? |
| 04:27:43 | Llorean | .bmp files. |
| 04:28:20 | DraX | is it extracted from the id3 tags and convered to bmp? |
| 04:28:36 | DraX | of mp3s that is |
| 04:28:52 | DraX | though mp4 can carry them too |
| 04:28:58 | DraX | so aacs can hold jpeg components |
| 04:29:03 | DraX | and ogg can too i think |
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| 04:29:17 | DraX | *checks xmms2's ogg decoder to see* |
| 04:29:47 | DraX | nope |
| 04:29:54 | DraX | at least we don't implement it |
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| 04:30:47 | webguest02 | i cant find the FWIMG.DAT file in my f60 gigabeat and i havent even tried to install anything yet any ideas what to do? |
| 04:30:53 | Llorean | Some formats Rockbox supports don't have any native tagging at all that could hold album art (WAV for example) |
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| 04:31:01 | Llorean | So, you have to pre-convert them to .bmps before using it |
| 04:31:20 | Llorean | webguest02: What's in the folder? |
| 04:31:29 | webguest02 | nothing |
| 04:31:37 | webguest02 | :S |
| 04:32:01 | Llorean | The GBSYSTEM folder exists, and in it the FWIMG folder? |
| 04:32:21 | DraX | Llorean: just because some formats don't support it doesn't mena it shouldn't be supported for the ones that do.. |
| 04:32:36 | webguest02 | this is what i have typed in my adress bar F:\GBSYSTEM\FWIMG and there is nothing in there at all |
| 04:32:49 | Llorean | DraX: Addint multiple methods of doing it bloats the core, if there's on general method that will work for all of them. |
| 04:33:01 | webguest02 | is the FWIMG folder supposed to be empty? |
| 04:33:01 | Llorean | Plus, this method means that you don't need to have multiple copies of the art, one per file. |
| 04:33:15 | Llorean | webguest02: Are you sure you have it set to show hidden AND system files? |
| 04:33:28 | webguest02 | how do i do that |
| 04:33:40 | DraX | Llorean: y'all should take a look at http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/XDG_coverart_sharing |
| 04:33:49 | DraX | Llorean: you could implement one img per album that way |
| 04:34:11 | Llorean | DraX: You should direct the person who wrote the patch to it. It's not part of CVS yet, and wasn't made by a core developer. |
| 04:34:40 | Llorean | DraX: But how is that better than the current method, and does it address all the concerns I listed? |
| 04:35:32 | d47 | webguest02: view>folder options, i beleive, im not sure as i use linux |
| 04:35:33 | DraX | Llorean: it addresses extractability in some ways |
| 04:35:37 | Llorean | Not to mention Fat32 isn't really good about symbolic links. |
| 04:35:44 | Llorean | DraX: That doesn't answer my question... |
| 04:35:53 | DraX | Llorean: no it doesn't address all the issues you gave |
| 04:35:56 | DraX | Llorean: it addresses a few |
| 04:36:04 | DraX | Llorean: but it's a working draft |
| 04:36:42 | Llorean | So, basically, we should give up a system that works for one that doesn't and requires additional overhead (never good on a portable device)? |
| 04:36:58 | Llorean | I'm not trying to sound overly critical, but I'm missing the argument for this feature entirely. |
| 04:37:12 | linuxstb | DraX: The main reason for .bmp files is efficiency. Remember we're dealing with hardware with limited capabilities, and we want to do everything possible to maximise battery life. |
| 04:37:21 | Llorean | Rockbox, being a player for embedded devices, needs a system for cover art that requires a minimum of code to use. |
| 04:37:37 | Llorean | .bmp files don't require decompressing, and can be used globally with any supported audio format. |
| 04:37:51 | linuxstb | Decoding a 500x500 jpeg image and then resizing down to the typical 75x75 isn't a good use of CPU time... |
| 04:40:07 | Llorean | I kinda like how the current system goes from song-specific to album-specific to (I think) folder-specific in the case of missing art. |
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| 04:42:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is there a default plugin thread, or if they need their own thread do they have to create their own? |
| 04:42:26 | linuxstb | plugins run in the main thread. |
| 04:42:45 | linuxstb | So whilst they're running, they _are_ the main thread. |
| 04:42:48 | Llorean | Ah |
| 04:43:23 | Llorean | And due to the nature of the gameboy emulator (does its own rendering, etc) I doubt there's any way multicore could really help performance for it, then? |
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| 04:43:54 | linuxstb | I'm sure it could help. It's emulating hardware, so some hardware could be emulated on the COP. |
| 04:44:11 | linuxstb | e.g. video rendering. |
| 04:44:32 | Llorean | Or perhaps move the main CPU emulation on its own to the COP? |
| 04:44:41 | Llorean | I assume that's where the most time is spent, like the codec thread. |
| 04:45:04 | linuxstb | You would probably be surprised. |
| 04:45:51 | Llorean | Apparently I would be. |
| 04:46:12 | linuxstb | I remember when optimising pacbox, the CPU emulation wasn't worth looking at. I got major improvements just with the video rendering. |
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| 04:46:52 | Llorean | The only time I've used the Gameboy emulator was trying to show it to a friend, and apparently it was during a period where you couldn't quit the H100 version. |
| 04:46:56 | Llorean | I had to take a toothpick to it. |
| 04:47:32 | linuxstb | An easy test is simply to disable the display, and see how fast it goes. |
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| 04:58:02 | BiptoN | linuxstb: in system.h under ARM area the line CPUFREQ_DEFAULT_MULT 8 then #define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 24000000 |
| 04:58:16 | BiptoN | that multiplier is 3 right? |
| 04:58:45 | BiptoN | i saw the pp5020 doc said the cpus' min freq is 32 and it's high is 75mhz |
| 04:59:11 | BiptoN | can you change it to a multiplier by 4 and range from the high and low |
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| 04:59:31 | BiptoN | i'm just thinkin of the scalin bug, these 4g's have |
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| 05:18:18 | hen3rz | hello |
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| 05:18:53 | hen3rz | #gigabeat |
| 05:19:12 | hen3rz | is anyone here???????????/// |
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| 05:21:19 | hen3rz | so who here has a gigabeat? |
| 05:21:50 | Llorean | Did you have a specific question? |
| 05:21:57 | rkostynu | i do hen |
| 05:22:03 | hen3rz | sweet |
| 05:22:05 | hen3rz | nah |
| 05:22:08 | hen3rz | im a new user |
| 05:22:16 | hen3rz | rockbox owns the old firmware |
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| 05:26:02 | hen3rz | does the current cvs for the gigabeat allow video playback? |
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| 05:26:44 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 05:26:54 | hen3rz | cool |
| 05:26:58 | Mouser_X | Though, it's not stable, and it only plays as much video as it can get into RAM. |
| 05:27:07 | Mouser_X | There's no rebuffering. |
| 05:27:13 | hen3rz | i see |
| 05:27:13 | funkychicken818 | Hey is rockbox available for the Gigabeat S30 |
| 05:27:17 | funkychicken818 | ? |
| 05:27:19 | hen3rz | i dont think so |
| 05:27:25 | Mouser_X | funkychicken818: No, it's not. |
| 05:27:28 | hen3rz | just F and X |
| 05:27:34 | Mouser_X | S Series is not supported. |
| 05:27:34 | funkychicken818 | k |
| 05:28:09 | hen3rz | what video format does rockbox play |
| 05:28:33 | funkychicken818 | does any one know what i should use to beable to manage my music on a Linux ? |
| 05:29:00 | hen3rz | rhythmbox |
| 05:29:18 | hen3rz | http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ |
| 05:29:31 | Mouser_X | hen3rz: MPG, MPEG 1, 2, MP3 audio, at 44khz. |
| 05:29:43 | Mouser_X | Meaning, MPG is the "container." |
| 05:29:54 | hen3rz | okilie |
| 05:29:57 | hen3rz | thank you |
| 05:30:01 | Mouser_X | I'm sure there's documentation somewhere. |
| 05:30:18 | Mouser_X | Also, it needs to be encoded at the resolution that you'll be watching the videos at. |
| 05:30:33 | Mouser_X | There's no scaling in Rockbox. |
| 05:30:39 | funkychicken818 | but my gigabeat doesn't show up on my linux fedora |
| 05:30:39 | hen3rz | kk |
| 05:30:47 | funkychicken818 | what can i use? |
| 05:30:59 | hen3rz | not sure |
| 05:31:26 | hen3rz | mouser is there like a test video i can download that has those specs? |
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| 05:32:05 | Mouser_X | hen3rz: Yes there is. It's with the documentation. |
| 05:32:12 | Llorean | hen3rz: http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 05:32:20 | Mouser_X | Ah! |
| 05:32:22 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
| 05:32:32 | hen3rz | sweet thank you |
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| 05:32:34 | rkostynu | hen there were some sample files on the site to use to test, |
| 05:33:09 | rkostynu | if you look through the logs gigabeat IRC logs there were conversation about VLC for creating video |
| 05:33:24 | hen3rz | sweeeeeeet thanks heaps |
| 05:33:41 | rkostynu | the forums in mygigabeat.com with guys from here have some hints and info |
| 05:33:57 | BiptoN | are you on linux or windows hen3rz? |
| 05:33:58 | rkostynu | i beleive the software forum, rockbox thread should be top of the list |
| 05:34:48 | hen3rz | windows |
| 05:34:50 | rkostynu | i created mpeg2, 44.1khz, 320x240 video and it worked, frame skip setting and it seemed to sync audio and video really good |
| 05:35:09 | hen3rz | is this on a gigabeat? |
| 05:35:11 | BiptoN | you can try mediacoder also |
| 05:35:27 | rkostynu | video lasted about 2 or 3 mins, ( before buffer ran out) |
| 05:35:32 | BiptoN | http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net |
| 05:35:35 | hen3rz | i seeeeeeee |
| 05:35:40 | hen3rz | this is awesome |
| 05:35:43 | rkostynu | quality was really nice because of the 262K colors |
| 05:36:21 | hen3rz | mmm gigabeats are emnt to have one of the nicest screens |
| 05:36:47 | KCC | where is markun at these days? |
| 05:38:46 | hen3rz | is the battery meter accurate on the gigabeat? |
| 05:40:07 | Mouser_X | KCC: Markun is in France. I think he's recently moved. |
| 05:40:42 | Mouser_X | hen3rz: The battery indicator isn't very accurate, due to innaccurate methods used to detect the amount of battery life left. |
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| 05:41:12 | Mouser_X | Meaning, from what I understand, even the original firmware doesn't detect battery strength very reliably. |
| 05:41:23 | hen3rz | lol ok |
| 05:41:38 | Mouser_X | It's a hardware limitation, according to my understanding (I could be wrong, I'm not a developer). |
| 05:41:44 | hen3rz | yeah it didnt, it played for 2 hours with 0 battery once |
| 05:42:00 | hen3rz | on the old firmware ^^ |
| 05:42:29 | Mouser_X | Ideally, Rockbox will last longer than the original firmware did. |
| 05:42:45 | hen3rz | sweet |
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| 05:42:57 | Mouser_X | Right now, you can expect at least 10 hours, most likely more, when you don't use the EQ. |
| 05:43:18 | Mouser_X | When using the EQ, it's quite a bit less... |
| 05:43:21 | hen3rz | why doesnt rockbox turn of the screen after a set time? all mine does is turn of the back light |
| 05:43:23 | Mouser_X | Or so I'm told. |
| 05:43:30 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Like, 10% less, or like, 50% less? |
| 05:43:49 | Mouser_X | From what I was told, closer to 50%. |
| 05:43:56 | Mouser_X | I could be mistaken. |
| 05:44:00 | Llorean | hen3rz: On many players the screen is perfectly readable without the backlight on, and that way there's no need to light up the backlight to read song title. |
| 05:44:26 | Mouser_X | hen3rz: They're working on the backlight still. |
| 05:44:28 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It really shouldn't be close to that much. That would mean the CPU on the Gigabeat is a rather ridiculous drain. |
| 05:44:43 | Mouser_X | Like I said, I could be mistaken. |
| 05:44:57 | Llorean | The EQ is CPU instensive, but it shouldn't be that much. |
| 05:44:59 | Mouser_X | It also might have been an older build that they were using, when they gave me that time. |
| 05:45:24 | Llorean | Well, I guess it depends, whether they're boosting the CPU, and what values between, etc. |
| 05:45:47 | Mouser_X | Someone said that, with the EQ, they got about 5 hours of playtime. |
| 05:46:00 | Mouser_X | I can check the logs, it was one of the first questions I asked. |
| 05:47:21 | Llorean | Well, as I said, it depends on a lot of things. |
| 05:47:36 | Mouser_X | I have no doubt it does. |
| 05:47:42 | rkostynu | t run crossfade, eq, backlight 5s, and i got 13 hours out of my yearold F10, normal under Toshiba was 12 hours, so its the same if not slightly better as far as battery life |
| 05:48:40 | Llorean | What we need is a http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime to go alongside http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 05:49:23 | hen3rz | mmmm |
| 05:49:29 | hen3rz | im willing to participate |
| 05:50:08 | Llorean | Just so there's a bit of reference for people to see. |
| 05:50:25 | Llorean | There's a suggested procedure here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
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| 05:50:38 | Mouser_X | [18:08] <perldiver> Mouser_X |
| 05:50:39 | Mouser_X | [18:08] <perldiver> with full EQ on around 4h |
| 05:50:39 | Mouser_X | [18:08] <Mouser_X> 8-10 hours of standard use? |
| 05:50:41 | Mouser_X | [18:08] <Mouser_X> No EQ |
| 05:50:43 | Mouser_X | [18:08] <perldiver> no EQ around 12 hours for me |
| 05:50:50 | Mouser_X | It's very possible that has changed, of course. |
| 05:51:58 | hen3rz | Llorean: ill definatley give that a go once i get over fiddling with rockbox |
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| 05:56:44 | lavid | so, who is this mrh? I'd like to ask him about how he did the Sansa e2x0 LCD driver so I can figure out why my display is jumbled at the top. Additionally, is there a commented original bootloader somewhere? If someone has stuff documented, I'd like to see it so I don't have to redocument everything. |
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| 05:58:35 | Llorean | lavid: What do you mean by 'original bootloader'? If you're referring to the Sandisk one, no, I don't believe there is. |
| 05:59:23 | lavid | I thought that the bootloader was decrypted... wasn't that what the beginning of the forum thread was all about? |
| 05:59:38 | Llorean | Decrypted doesn't mean it's been reverse engineered. |
| 05:59:50 | Llorean | It just means we've stripped the encryption from the file. |
| 05:59:58 | lavid | yeah, decrypted and then commented |
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| 06:00:42 | Llorean | I don't recall it being commented. |
| 06:01:32 | lavid | well, how the heck does one reverse engineer this stuff? |
| 06:01:42 | Llorean | The decryption was primarily so that we could load it ourselves for dual boot, and so we could figure out how to encrypt our own images for their flash bootloader to load. |
| 06:01:57 | * | lavid bangs head against virtual desk |
| 06:02:54 | Llorean | Do you speak arm assembly? |
| 06:03:13 | lavid | I speak assembly, and I'm learning arm |
| 06:03:32 | lavid | I'm used to x86 |
| 06:04:19 | Llorean | Well, if you want to analyze the original firmware, you'd need a decrypted copy of it, and a tool like objdump or something commercial and better. |
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| 06:05:03 | lavid | What fancy features does the commercial disassembler do? I've disassembled the OF already |
| 06:05:30 | lavid | I just want to know if people have figured out where the images are stored so I don't look at that and thing it's instructions |
| 06:05:47 | lavid | think* |
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| 06:06:45 | Llorean | Well, if you found mention of a commented one on the thread, your best bet is to contact whoever mentioned it. |
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| 06:07:22 | lavid | and... who is this MrH? He seems to be referenced in all the source files |
| 06:07:42 | Llorean | Mr H is a figure of great mystery. |
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| 06:08:03 | Llorean | He seems to be off on his own, doing his own thing, and occasionally sending us documentation he's written containing theories or discoveries he's made. |
| 06:09:20 | lavid | ...right |
| 06:10:05 | Llorean | Really, as far as I'm aware he's never showed up in the IRC channel or anything. |
| 06:11:41 | lavid | so basically I should start from scratch |
| 06:12:09 | lavid | with the OF that is |
| 06:12:19 | lavid | unless I can get a precommented copy |
| 06:13:44 | Llorean | As far as I'm aware, but I'm not an authority on this |
| 06:15:42 | hen3rz | for video playback on the gigabeat is the audio ment to be out of sync |
| 06:15:56 | Llorean | Do you have frameskip and frame limit enabled? |
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| 06:17:02 | hen3rz | no i did not |
| 06:17:17 | Llorean | Try making sure both of those are enabled. |
| 06:17:19 | hen3rz | now its sall good |
| 06:17:22 | hen3rz | cheers dude |
| 06:17:33 | hen3rz | how do u turn up the volume? |
| 06:17:57 | hen3rz | is it ment to be the same buttons as audio playback? |
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| 06:20:36 | Llorean | hen3rz: I don't believe you can adjust the volume from inside mpegplayer yet. |
| 06:20:45 | hen3rz | oh ok |
| 06:20:49 | hen3rz | dude this is sweet |
| 06:21:30 | hen3rz | is there an estimated time for when it will be fully complete? |
| 06:21:42 | Llorean | There aren't estimated times for anything. |
| 06:21:51 | Mouser_X | I'd say, roughly, within the next 20 years. |
| 06:22:03 | Mouser_X | Give or take a few decades. |
| 06:22:09 | hen3rz | lol serious mouser? is development that slow? |
| 06:22:29 | Mouser_X | No, but if it's not out by then, it won't be, most likely. |
| 06:22:36 | hen3rz | lol |
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| 06:22:56 | Mouser_X | That's my way of saying "It's ready when it's ready." |
| 06:23:08 | hen3rz | i see |
| 06:23:08 | Llorean | hen3rz: Rockbox is an Audio playing Firmware. Video is always a secondary concern. |
| 06:23:17 | hen3rz | i see |
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| 06:23:25 | Llorean | When someone insterested gets around to patching it up, it'll get better. |
| 06:23:41 | hen3rz | eh either way im not concerned. the old toshiba firmware could play movies |
| 06:23:50 | hen3rz | couldnt* |
| 06:23:54 | Mouser_X | Same thing applies when someone is standing in the next room, and I'm asked "Where's so-and-so?" and I replay "Within 10 miles of here, I'm sure of it." |
| 06:24:33 | hen3rz | lol |
| 06:24:57 | Mouser_X | See, even if 100% complete and perfect video playback was released tomarrow, that's still within 20 years, so I'd be correct. |
| 06:25:06 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 06:25:27 | hen3rz | haha |
| 06:25:45 | Llorean | My guess is that you'll see rebuffering, and volume adjustment, within the next two months. |
| 06:25:47 | Llorean | And *maybe* seeking. |
| 06:26:40 | hen3rz | cool |
| 06:26:43 | Mouser_X | Oooh! Seeking! |
| 06:26:53 | Mouser_X | Who'd want that though? |
| 06:26:57 | Llorean | I don't know how much work seeking would be to implement. |
| 06:26:58 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 06:27:02 | Llorean | But people seem to be heavy on the requesting of it. |
| 06:27:29 | Llorean | So my guess is that once rebuffering works, someone other than the person working on video will end up posting a seeking patch. |
| 06:27:30 | Mouser_X | What's the point of seeking, when you get, at most, 5 minutes of video? |
| 06:27:37 | Llorean | Mouser_X: "rebuffering" |
| 06:27:52 | Mouser_X | Well, after rebuffering is done, yah, I can see a need then. |
| 06:27:58 | Mouser_X | But not right now. |
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| 06:28:12 | Llorean | Yes, but notice I said I expected rebuffering, volume control, and *maybe* seeking in that time period. |
| 06:28:25 | Llorean | Rebuffering used to work when video didn't have audio. |
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| 06:28:36 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 06:28:56 | Llorean | I'm not sure if it's become more complex, or if it was just disabled for some testing purpose, but I expect it to show up within say, 3 major updates of mpegplayer. |
| 06:29:08 | Llorean | Again though, I'm just making up these predictions as I go along. |
| 06:29:14 | Mouser_X | (Also note, there was mild sarcasm in some of my statements. Kind of hard to relay that, sometimes.) |
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| 06:30:10 | Llorean | I really don't have any choice but to take things literally in most cases, because if I guess in favour of implied meaning and I'm wrong, I get a "Why didn't you just read what I said". :) At least when I go with what the words mean, I have solid ground beneath me. |
| 06:30:58 | hen3rz | so deoes this mean that rebuffering doesnt work for any port of rock box or just the gigabeat port? |
| 06:31:37 | scorche | any |
| 06:31:50 | hen3rz | i see |
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| 06:35:21 | * | Mouser_X is working on a Winamp Classic styled WPS for Gigabeats. |
| 06:35:32 | Mouser_X | I'm working on the graphical aspect first. |
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| 06:35:48 | Mouser_X | Cutting and pasting... |
| 06:35:56 | Llorean | I never quite understood why people wanted media players to look like their existing ones. |
| 06:36:07 | Mouser_X | It's more work than I expected. |
| 06:36:32 | Mouser_X | Well, once I get a "Default" Winamp look, I'll probably port other skins I like more. |
| 06:36:51 | Mouser_X | (I never use the default skin) |
| 06:38:47 | hen3rz | i made my own wps |
| 06:38:59 | hen3rz | its a really clean simple look |
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| 06:40:09 | hen3rz | how do u take a screen dump? |
| 06:41:02 | hen3rz | wait i wokred it out |
| 06:41:16 | Mouser_X | So, how do I exit plugins on the iPod? (I'm using the simulator... I didn't expect to run into that problem..)_ |
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| 06:41:35 | Mouser_X | I figured it out. |
| 06:41:43 | hen3rz | lol |
| 06:41:44 | Mouser_X | Memory FTW... |
| 06:41:48 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 06:43:09 | Allyndell | Hi, ive got a quick question. I have a 30g G5 ipod with rockbox on it. I want to put the new bootloaders on it. When i redo the installation will it erase my ipod? or just overight the partition with the bootloader on it? (its been a while and i cant remember if it does or not) |
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| 06:43:29 | scorche | just the bootloader |
| 06:43:43 | Allyndell | Hi, ive got a quick question. I have a 30g G5 ipod with rockbox on it. I want to put the new bootloaders on it. When i redo the installation will it erase my ipod? or just overight the partition with the bootloader on it? (its been a while and i cant remember if it does or not) |
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| 06:45:27 | webguest15 | will installing a new bootloader erase my ipod? i have rockbox but i want to update the bootloader |
| 06:45:45 | Llorean | webguest15: No. |
| 06:45:50 | Llorean | As long as you follow the directions. |
| 06:46:09 | Llorean | It will only erase your iPod if you do it wrong, or have to restore. |
| 06:46:16 | Llorean | Just like the original installation. |
| 06:46:18 | webguest15 | Which directions? can i use the ones here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7737.0 |
| 06:46:32 | Llorean | I suggest the ones in the manual. |
| 06:47:11 | Llorean | Just make sure to use the ipodpatcher from here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ |
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| 06:47:37 | webguest15 | what about this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 06:48:16 | Llorean | Yes, that will work. But do you just have something against the manual? |
| 06:48:48 | webguest15 | besides the fact that im on windows atm... no |
| 06:48:58 | Llorean | What does being on windows have to do with anything? |
| 06:49:16 | webguest15 | nvm i thought you said doing it manually |
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| 06:56:26 | webguest15 | does the regular bootloader have coprocessor support? |
| 06:56:42 | Llorean | The official bootloader works with coprocessor builds. |
| 06:58:09 | webguest15 | ok thanx |
| 06:59:30 | Llorean | It has to be the newest version though |
| 06:59:36 | Llorean | It'll have a black backdrop with white text. |
| 07:00 |
| 07:01:10 | Mouser_X | I'm liking some of these plugins, just for kicks. |
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| 07:01:14 | hen3rz | hey 27fps is pretty good for 320x240 |
| 07:01:27 | Mouser_X | Starfield is nice. |
| 07:01:27 | hen3rz | isnt it? |
| 07:01:37 | Mouser_X | Probably. |
| 07:02:17 | hen3rz | omg mouser |
| 07:02:23 | hen3rz | i never knew they existed |
| 07:02:23 | Mouser_X | Hmm? |
| 07:02:25 | hen3rz | brick mania |
| 07:02:26 | hen3rz | good game |
| 07:02:53 | Mouser_X | The simulator build I'm running doesn't seem to have any plugins for the Gigabeat. |
| 07:02:55 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 07:03:08 | hen3rz | damn |
| 07:03:10 | hen3rz | try the latest |
| 07:03:16 | hen3rz | im playing it on mine now |
| 07:03:46 | Mouser_X | I'm using the iPod simulator (I wanted to get an idea of what the Winamp Classic styled WPS looked like, and how it functioned). |
| 07:03:58 | Mouser_X | I think you misunderstand what the simulator is. |
| 07:04:05 | Mouser_X | I'm running Rockbox on my PC. |
| 07:04:09 | hen3rz | the windows thing |
| 07:04:11 | hen3rz | yeah |
| 07:04:28 | Mouser_X | Well, I don't know of any versions more recent than the one I got. |
| 07:04:39 | hen3rz | i see |
| 07:04:55 | Llorean | It's very possible rasher stripped the plugins so the download was smaller, or something |
| 07:04:57 | d47 | have u used the gameboy plugin xD i got pokemon rofl |
| 07:05:06 | Mouser_X | Ah, it's working now... |
| 07:05:13 | hen3rz | WAT |
| 07:05:16 | Mouser_X | It didn't load the plugins last time I tried it. |
| 07:05:21 | hen3rz | d47 does that work for gigabeat? |
| 07:05:31 | d47 | yes its on my gigabeat |
| 07:05:39 | hen3rz | wats it called? |
| 07:05:54 | d47 | just download the .rom file and open it like a song |
| 07:06:12 | Mouser_X | I'll have to try that... |
| 07:06:17 | d47 | the plugin is in the cvs, so if u use the cvs you should have it |
| 07:06:42 | d47 | its great =) im up to the ss anne |
| 07:06:56 | hen3rz | hahah thats awesome |
| 07:07:04 | hen3rz | whats the battery like when playing games? |
| 07:07:17 | d47 | its great i was playing all night |
| 07:07:44 | d47 | its not colour though |
| 07:07:57 | d47 | fps is like 50-80 |
| 07:07:57 | hen3rz | uhh well still that sounds awesome |
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| 07:11:58 | webguest33 | what does this mean? [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting |
| 07:13:06 | Llorean | It means exactly what it says... |
| 07:13:47 | Llorean | You're running ipodpatcher on an iPod that already has some sort of bootloader, I assume. |
| 07:14:38 | webguest33 | ya i think so... im getting a folder icon when i boot my ipod up so im trying to restore my backup but it wont let me |
| 07:15:44 | Llorean | Oh, so you screwed up an install? |
| 07:16:13 | Llorean | What lined did you use that caused you to get your iPod to that state? |
| 07:16:21 | webguest33 | idk i just get a sad folder and i cant write a bootloader |
| 07:16:35 | Llorean | You don't know what the last line you typed was before it stopped working? |
| 07:18:47 | Llorean | Well, I can't really help you further, and download.rockbox.org doesn't seem to be responding so I can't point you at an older version of ipodpatcher without the safety check |
| 07:21:17 | Mouser_X | Does Rockboy have sound? If it does, the simulator doesn't seem to be outputting it (I'm getting complete silence). |
| 07:21:37 | Mouser_X | Of course, being the simulator, it might just simply not work quite right. |
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| 07:21:51 | Llorean | Sound in the simulator is incredibly unreliable and often broken |
| 07:21:58 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:22:39 | Overand | Llorean: webguest33 could have used meergency disk mode and an old 'ipodupdater' right? |
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| 07:23:19 | Mouser_X | It's nice to know that there's GBC code in Rockbox. I say this, becausee it might mean that GBS files can be supported (That's GB/C music rips, like NSFs). |
| 07:23:52 | webguest01 | is there a way to force write the boot partition.bin ? |
| 07:25:00 | scorche | NSFs are supported |
| 07:25:08 | Overand | at least in an unofficial firmware |
| 07:25:09 | Overand | er |
| 07:25:12 | Overand | version |
| 07:25:45 | Overand | I'm actually running that version, one of the guys here put it up, but I can't remember his nick |
| 07:25:46 | Llorean | Overand: That would wipe the contents of his iPod. Using ipodpatcher is much less destructive |
| 07:26:20 | Llorean | webguest01: You can use an older iPodpatcher. I still want to know what the last line was before your iPod stopped working. |
| 07:27:08 | Mouser_X | scorche: I know NSFs are supported. HCS wrote the patch for it. |
| 07:27:31 | webguest01 | I accidentally did ipodpatcher 1 -w bootloader.bin |
| 07:28:06 | * | Mouser_X knows HCS from "elsewhere." |
| 07:28:24 | Llorean | webguest01: The current install instructions don't even include a file named bootloader.bin (or anything .bin) on a -w line. In fact they don't include a -w. |
| 07:28:50 | Llorean | But you'll need to use an older version of ipodpatcher to -w a bootpartition.bin back now that you've messed i up |
| 07:28:51 | Llorean | it up |
| 07:29:01 | Llorean | One is available at download.rockbox.org |
| 07:29:10 | webguest01 | ok thanx |
| 07:29:16 | Llorean | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 07:29:31 | Llorean | That one will probably work, if not extract one of the ipodpatcher zips from the folder it's in on the server. |
| 07:29:54 | Llorean | And please, be careful when reading the instructions. If your player weren't an iPod, you could've permanently disabled it. |
| 07:31:56 | webguest01 | yeah i got confused with the .bin and the new .ipod |
| 07:32:08 | webguest01 | Thanx alot |
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| 07:35:29 | Mouser_X | If the controls weren't so confusing, I think Rockboy would be really cool. |
| 07:35:41 | Mouser_X | As it stands now, it's just pretty cool. |
| 07:36:12 | Mouser_X | Of course, I'm using the simulator. I would expect actual hardware to be a little better. |
| 07:36:22 | Llorean | 's pretty bad on the iPods at least. |
| 07:36:25 | KCC | does rockboy allow saves? |
| 07:36:30 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 07:36:33 | KCC | and loading those saves/ |
| 07:36:37 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 07:36:48 | Llorean | One day I'll code an emulator that lets you save, but not load the saves. :-P |
| 07:36:50 | Mouser_X | 6 saves for each game, it looks like. |
| 07:36:56 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 07:37:06 | KCC | thanks llorean! theres a guy who understands supply and demand, right there |
| 07:37:24 | Mouser_X | Yes, I was thinking "Uh... Why allow saves, if you can't load them?" |
| 07:37:27 | Llorean | To load them you'll need special "load tickets" which cost 2 cents per. |
| 07:37:51 | Mouser_X | Sounds like Breath of Fire V:Dragon Quarter |
| 07:37:51 | KCC | hahaa DRM on gameboy saves?! |
| 07:38:12 | Mouser_X | BoFV had a fairly broken save system. |
| 07:38:12 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 07:38:35 | Mouser_X | It's an amazing game that, for me, wouldn't let go, but it's terribly painful to play it. |
| 07:38:50 | KCC | how so? |
| 07:38:58 | Mouser_X | The save system is broken. |
| 07:39:09 | Mouser_X | And, the play mechanics aren't any better. |
| 07:39:21 | KCC | this is with rockboy? |
| 07:39:23 | Mouser_X | To finish the game, you're forced to restart. |
| 07:39:30 | Mouser_X | BoFV is a PS2 game. |
| 07:39:38 | | Part Llorean |
| 07:39:53 | Mouser_X | Good luck running that on a portable player... |
| 07:40:16 | Mouser_X | Which is off topic. Sorry. |
| 07:45:00 | KCC | haha |
| 07:45:13 | KCC | ive heard rumours of SNES games on the gigabeat? |
| 07:45:19 | KCC | at least theoretically? |
| 07:45:47 | Mouser_X | I suppose it's within reason. |
| 07:45:58 | Mouser_X | ZSNES ran pretty good on my 200 mhz PC. |
| 07:46:12 | Mouser_X | Though, that uses some assembly. |
| 07:46:36 | Mouser_X | SNES9x would have better luck at getting ported, since it uses less assembly. |
| 07:47:13 | scorche | a zsnes dev was working with us a bit ago |
| 07:47:18 | scorche | not on that though |
| 07:47:26 | Mouser_X | Pagefault wrote a SPC player for Rockbox. |
| 07:47:35 | scorche | aye...him |
| 07:47:46 | Mouser_X | He said he submitted it to the flyspray, but it seems to have been lost when the servers were down. |
| 07:48:04 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 07:48:17 | Mouser_X | HCS is looking into writing his own, now, out of impatience... |
| 07:48:45 | Mouser_X | And, I'm all for that... I want SPCs on my Gigabeat! :D |
| 07:49:40 | KCC | wow, SPC's! |
| 07:49:50 | KCC | those things always amazed me |
| 07:49:57 | KCC | a handful of kb's gives you a full song |
| 07:50:10 | Mouser_X | 65k, and the song can still be 20 min. long. |
| 07:50:21 | KCC | hahaa |
| 07:50:25 | Mouser_X | 65k, and it might only be 1 sec. long... |
| 07:50:32 | KCC | load up some Chrono Trigger SPC's and im a happy camper |
| 07:50:38 | Mouser_X | Same here. |
| 07:51:02 | Mouser_X | That's what got me started on video game music collecting... |
| 07:51:07 | KCC | I wonder, how many SPC's could one fit on a 40gb Gigabeat? |
| 07:51:17 | KCC | something ridiculous |
| 07:51:18 | Mouser_X | I think all of them... |
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| 07:51:23 | Mouser_X | I'm not sure though. |
| 07:51:41 | Mouser_X | At least, most, if not all, of the ones at http://www.snesmusic.org |
| 07:51:49 | gotthardt | yo - gigabeat users... Mouser_X and ? wanna grab the latest cvs? |
| 07:51:59 | Mouser_X | I don't have a Gigabeat yet... |
| 07:52:04 | gotthardt | oh |
| 07:52:05 | Mouser_X | It's coming in the mail. |
| 07:52:05 | KCC | me niether... |
| 07:52:08 | KCC | same |
| 07:52:08 | gotthardt | k |
| 07:52:10 | KCC | haha |
| 07:52:20 | d47 | whats in the latest cvs? |
| 07:52:23 | gotthardt | button lights |
| 07:52:26 | Mouser_X | Oooh! |
| 07:52:27 | gotthardt | and fade to off |
| 07:52:28 | d47 | o rly |
| 07:52:34 | d47 | ill do that now |
| 07:52:49 | gotthardt | you have to use the debug menu to set and test for now |
| 07:53:01 | d47 | kewl |
| 07:53:01 | KCC | "Revamped the backlight state machine and added buttonlight controls. Go to the Info/debug menu and test out the new modes for buttonlights on the Gigabeat - ON, OFF, Faint, and flicker - flickers on touchpad and disk reads." |
| 07:53:05 | Mouser_X | All I have is the simulator builds of Rockbox for the iPod and Gigabeat... |
| 07:53:06 | gotthardt | i am holding off on doing real settings cuz it can be a mess... |
| 07:53:14 | KCC | thanks gotthardt! |
| 07:53:19 | gotthardt | and i want to get more input |
| 07:53:23 | gotthardt | your welcome |
| 07:53:33 | d47 | flicker FTW |
| 07:53:51 | gotthardt | disc access flickers |
| 07:54:00 | d47 | sounds great! |
| 07:54:03 | Mouser_X | I really should actually read the whole manual for Gigabeat... |
| 07:54:08 | gotthardt | pressing touchpad flickers |
| 07:54:22 | KCC | does this include the LED's on the side? |
| 07:54:26 | gotthardt | can change from just menu/power led to all leds at a time |
| 07:54:28 | Mouser_X | There's tons of stuff I don't know... Like, how to actually stop a song, or how to turn the Gigabeat completely off. |
| 07:54:44 | gotthardt | the side leds - they light up the clear buttons blue |
| 07:55:13 | * | Mouser_X has just been pushing the "X" in the upper right hand corner of the simulator. |
| 07:55:16 | KCC | hmm, there was a patch for that before... does this latest CVS render that patch redundant? |
| 07:55:22 | Mouser_X | Somehow, I doubt that will work on the actual hardware. |
| 07:55:38 | KCC | hahaa mee too mouser, unless ur really good at coding |
| 07:55:48 | d47 | heh |
| 07:57:48 | KCC | what exactly is flyspray? |
| 07:57:59 | Llorean | It's the patch tracker |
| 07:58:04 | Llorean | And bug / feature request tracker |
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| 07:59:56 | KCC | whats the next big thing for the gigabeat? |
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| 08:00:13 | KCC | any works in progress? |
| 08:00:26 | gotthardt | stabililty |
| 08:00:43 | Llorean | That's really all there is for specific players: Stability, and making bits of hardware work. |
| 08:00:54 | gotthardt | battery usage meter is funky |
| 08:00:59 | Llorean | Rockbox is mostly one big piece of software, so anything like Video, or a new plugin, is generally aimed at the software as a whole. |
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| 08:01:54 | KCC | if such was the case, anything the iPod can do the Gigabeat can also do, right? |
| 08:02:00 | KCC | which is incorrect as far as i can tell? |
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| 08:02:16 | Llorean | What do you mean? |
| 08:02:27 | KCC | i'll show you |
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| 08:02:47 | Mouser_X | "Anything you can do, I can do better." |
| 08:02:51 | T7P | Is anyone here? |
| 08:02:56 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 08:02:59 | KCC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex ... gigabeat cant do most of these things |
| 08:03:00 | Mouser_X | We're all gone. |
| 08:03:00 | d47_ | i just built and installed the cvs, and the button lights are working great |
| 08:03:02 | Llorean | Can't you just tell me with a short sentence such as "X works on iPod but not on Gigabeat?" |
| 08:03:13 | Llorean | KCC: Yes, because the Gigabeat has a different sized screen, and nobody's adapted them yet. |
| 08:03:25 | KCC | ahh I see |
| 08:03:31 | Llorean | They should all work fine for it from a software perspective, but they still need to know which buttons should do what, and how big the screen is. |
| 08:04:00 | KCC | couldnt you just port the information for screen size directly from the 5g ipod code? |
| 08:04:11 | Llorean | Feel free to do it. |
| 08:04:25 | Llorean | But you'll notice one screen is 4:3 and the other is 3:4, so you need to rotate the rendering. |
| 08:04:32 | gotthardt | KCC is the ipod 320x240 or 240x320? |
| 08:04:40 | Llorean | gotthardt: The iPod is 320x240. |
| 08:05:16 | KCC | ohh my coding skills are limited at best... im afraid all I can do is highschool level VB coding |
| 08:05:18 | KCC | pretty sad |
| 08:05:19 | Llorean | KCC: Plus, someone has to actually go and do it. I notice you're not writing new keymaps, and most of the core developers are busy trying to get the bootloader working better, and everything more stable. |
| 08:05:52 | Llorean | Keymaps are pretty easy to do, actually. Look at a working plugin, and just copy that chunk into a nonworking one, and edit it to be similar to a working chunk for that plugin. |
| 08:05:57 | KCC | and I appreciate that 100% |
| 08:06:10 | Llorean | The 4:3 to 3:4 conversion is more difficult |
| 08:06:30 | KCC | I can imagine |
| 08:06:49 | Llorean | Though for many of the plugins the image could just use the 220x176 of the iPod Photo if people didn't mind a non full screen. |
| 08:06:51 | T7P | I'm using a Gigabeat F40 and attempting to install Doom... I have "rockdoom.wad", "doom1.wad", and "doom2.wad" in /games/doom. When I go to the folder through the RockBox browser on the player itself, it doesn't show the files unless I change the settings to show "Unsupported Files" |
| 08:07:04 | Llorean | T7P: You don't run doom by going to the folder. |
| 08:07:17 | Llorean | T7P: You run doom by way of browse plugins. |
| 08:07:25 | T7P | I've also searched thtough the plug-ins list and it isn't listed |
| 08:07:31 | Llorean | Then it's not compiled for your target. |
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| 08:08:38 | d47_ | i was under the impression that doom hasnt been implemented for the gigabeat, itl be supported soon |
| 08:08:45 | KCC | no Doom yet for Gigabeat? |
| 08:09:01 | T7P | Hmmm... Then I'm going to have to do more research. I just installed RockBox last night; I have no clue what I'm doing. =P Thanks, though. Any chance you can point me in the right direction? |
| 08:09:13 | d47_ | you can see what plugins are supported on the plugins page in the wiki |
| 08:09:32 | d47_ | so you installed rockbox on your player? |
| 08:09:37 | KCC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 08:09:43 | KCC | thats for you T7P |
| 08:09:56 | d47_ | id start with finding a theme you like ^^ then get used to the settings and controls |
| 08:10:03 | Llorean | T7P: You might also be interested in a little something we like to call "The Manual" |
| 08:10:15 | d47_ | omg lol |
| 08:10:18 | T7P | Yeah, I've been looking through the manual |
| 08:10:45 | T7P | Believe it or not, I can't read an entire manual in less than 24 hours, but thanks for having that kind of faith in me |
| 08:11:28 | d47_ | =) amusing |
| 08:11:36 | Llorean | It's 111 pages, if you can't read that in 24 hours, I hope English isn't your native language. |
| 08:11:49 | Llorean | 5 pages an hour is a bit on the slow side. |
| 08:12:04 | Llorean | :-P |
| 08:12:31 | Llorean | Anyway, the main point was that it'll answer many of your questions, and should be where you search when you come up with things to ask. |
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| 08:12:51 | d47_ | i still need to have the activation code for the wiki re-sent to my email, if any1 knows how? |
| 08:13:11 | T7P | I looked through the plug-ins section and, more specifically, the part about Doom, and couldn't find my answer, so I came here |
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| 08:13:28 | midkay | d47_: what's your wiki name? |
| 08:13:32 | d47_ | well theres no tick for the doom plugin under the gigabeat heading |
| 08:13:47 | gotthardt | The plugin page is out of date for the Gigabeat - how do I update it (I have edit access, but edit doesnt get me to the arrows) |
| 08:13:58 | DogBoy | is there a way to boot into apple firmware after installing rockbox |
| 08:14:08 | amiconn | goffa: YOu need to edit the PluginDoom page |
| 08:14:24 | amiconn | The table in the plugin page is built dynamically from that |
| 08:14:27 | midkay | gotthardt: each plugin page needs to be updated.. |
| 08:14:32 | gotthardt | ok |
| 08:14:37 | gotthardt | ill take a look |
| 08:15:15 | amiconn | It might also be that the plugin page just needs a refresh (it used not to, but some wiki update introduced caching) |
| 08:15:46 | goffa | eh? |
| 08:15:57 | goffa | ah... you probably meant gotthardt |
| 08:16:07 | gotthardt | yes |
| 08:16:11 | goffa | so.. where's the menu for led? |
| 08:16:22 | gotthardt | hey go to info and then debug |
| 08:16:30 | gotthardt | no official settings yet |
| 08:16:44 | d47_ | yeh i got the leds on btw, there working great, thx |
| 08:16:50 | gotthardt | yw |
| 08:17:14 | gotthardt | did you see the change for all leds or just the menu/power |
| 08:17:34 | gotthardt | i forgot to state in the cvs log |
| 08:17:39 | amiconn | goffa: sorry |
| 08:18:51 | goffa | np |
| 08:19:14 | d47_ | yeh all leds are lit, if thats what u mean |
| 08:19:27 | goffa | still not seeing those led settings... wondering if i got my updated build on there |
| 08:19:40 | d47_ | have you found the info menu? |
| 08:19:49 | gotthardt | and can change to just the menu/power |
| 08:20:15 | goffa | info menu is at the bottom of the main menu |
| 08:20:21 | gotthardt | yes |
| 08:20:32 | gotthardt | then debug inside of that one |
| 08:20:39 | goffa | yeah.. went in there |
| 08:20:47 | gotthardt | button light settings |
| 08:20:50 | goffa | that's why i'm wondering |
| 08:20:58 | goffa | yeah... must not have the new build on |
| 08:21:29 | goffa | gigabeat is touchy if you don't unmount before unplugging |
| 08:22:06 | KCC | thats a life truth right there |
| 08:22:07 | goffa | yeah... that was the prob |
| 08:22:13 | KCC | not only with gigabeats, but with the opposite sex |
| 08:22:59 | d47_ | ... |
| 08:23:23 | KCC | no eh |
| 08:23:25 | KCC | I tried |
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| 08:24:05 | d47_ | ive found a small problem, ive noticed with all my themes that there is a small (1 px) indent where the progress bar is, has this been noted? |
| 08:24:09 | goffa | flicker mode is a nice touch |
| 08:24:50 | goffa | d47_: yes |
| 08:25:13 | d47_ | goffa: ok, just thought i make sure |
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| 08:25:57 | mkis5 | anyone alive? |
| 08:26:06 | d47_ | yup |
| 08:26:14 | goffa | pretty active in here tonight actually |
| 08:26:15 | scorche | amiconn: do you know if there a way to get a traditional line out on |
| 08:26:16 | d47_ | last time i checked |
| 08:26:19 | scorche | errrr |
| 08:26:33 | scorche | do you knwo if there is a way to get a traditional line out on a v1? |
| 08:26:41 | mkis5 | hey im trying to install the rockbox on my 5g ipod i believe i need the ipodpatcher file but i can't download it from the site |
| 08:27:12 | d47_ | oh is it down? |
| 08:27:18 | * | goffa wanders off to listen to his gigabeat/sleep |
| 08:27:37 | mkis5 | yes |
| 08:27:52 | amiconn | scorche: huh? The v1 has no line out. Just set volume = treble = bass = loudness = 0 dB, balance = 0, MDB = off |
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| 08:28:03 | amiconn | ..and use the phones socket |
| 08:28:30 | RedZZR | gotthardt: Nice one with the new backlight code... |
| 08:28:37 | gotthardt | thanks |
| 08:28:47 | gotthardt | can you see why i wanted you to wait? |
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| 08:28:56 | scorche | i know it doesnt, but i was looking to possibly build a dedicated one...but i guess the headphone will do |
| 08:29:02 | RedZZR | one extra suggestion - have the buttons Fade with the backlight |
| 08:29:30 | gotthardt | that can be done - but i dont want to make that many i2c calls in an interrupt |
| 08:29:38 | gotthardt | it would have to be 3 per int |
| 08:30:01 | gotthardt | for A, B and C led pairs |
| 08:30:11 | mkis5 | so is there anyway i can get the ipodpatcher file being that the file is down on the site? |
| 08:30:18 | RedZZR | true, could you lower the buttons once the fade was complete |
| 08:30:24 | d47_ | we'll ill just smile and nod gottardt |
| 08:30:31 | gotthardt | that can be done - |
| 08:30:57 | gotthardt | RedZZR knows what i am talking about... hes a coder |
| 08:31:02 | RedZZR | so the final result would be faded or off as per the LCD |
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| 08:31:15 | * | amiconn wonders how he could remove some plugins from PluginIndex |
| 08:31:22 | d47_ | i am somewhat, but mostly web dev |
| 08:31:29 | gotthardt | yes - it could watch for the change and then match it |
| 08:31:33 | RedZZR | only been coding for 20+ Years... :( |
| 08:31:46 | d47_ | heh im not even that old rofl |
| 08:31:52 | gotthardt | heh - im long in the tooth too |
| 08:32:28 | RedZZR | The Old Guard of programming... :) |
| 08:32:46 | amiconn | I guess I need to remove the CategoryPlugin line on the individual plugin pages |
| 08:32:58 | amiconn | gotthardt: i2c in an isr is nasty... |
| 08:33:06 | mkis5 | ? |
| 08:33:20 | gotthardt | yes - i know - but its a fast one and doesnt block |
| 08:33:22 | amiconn | (though on the H300 and X5 we need to do that) |
| 08:33:22 | mkis5 | dag no ideas on how i could find this file? |
| 08:33:36 | RedZZR | I've get the dock buttons workings - simple read of the GPFDAT (but the bits are inverted) |
| 08:33:36 | gotthardt | all other i2c access to same place are in same thread and are serialized |
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| 08:34:26 | RedZZR | i've mapped them to Sync = SELECT and Rip = BUTTON_A |
| 08:34:35 | gotthardt | cool |
| 08:35:19 | RedZZR | if you remap the POWER button to A in the keymap it make browsing whilst docked and playing much easier |
| 08:35:59 | scorche | amiconn: but that would still go through the headphone amp, which would defeat the purpose of a "line-out" correct? |
| 08:36:03 | gotthardt | im not to familiare with keymaping, but can there be a 'docked' keymap? |
| 08:36:34 | gotthardt | and can we sense that we are docked? |
| 08:36:36 | RedZZR | not at the moment I don't think, also not sure if we can detect docked or powered |
| 08:36:49 | RedZZR | or tell the diff anyway |
| 08:38:17 | RedZZR | I noticed on the block diagram that there is a 2kbit I2c EEPROM on the dock |
| 08:39:10 | gotthardt | yes - what shall we do with that - is that info for the USB hub? |
| 08:39:13 | RedZZR | I could be a way of telling if docked and also restore the prev playlist and track etc... maybe.. |
| 08:39:33 | RedZZR | I think the USB one has another 4Kbit one.. as well |
| 08:40:04 | RedZZR | there seems to be an extra 2kbit one sat on its own just on the I2c |
| 08:40:27 | RedZZR | not sure how we find the address of it |
| 08:40:44 | gotthardt | hmm only a few addresss for i2c eeprom devices |
| 08:40:50 | amiconn | gotthardt: Keymaps can be changed dynamically (at least for core features which use the action code) |
| 08:41:19 | gotthardt | amiconn: thanks! that would be cool - remap when docked |
| 08:41:19 | amiconn | That was one goal of the action code - the irivers can use 3 types of remote controls with different button layouts |
| 08:41:20 | RedZZR | amiconn: cool, thats handy to know |
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| 08:42:17 | amiconn | Check keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c for an example how this can be done |
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| 08:42:35 | RedZZR | thanks, I'll take a look at that |
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| 08:43:23 | d47_ | midkay: are you there? i didnt realize that my msg failed until now, my wikiname is DylanM, if you could activate that thx. |
| 08:43:32 | amiconn | gotthardt: You're editing PlugBatteryTest? |
| 08:43:45 | amiconn | This plugin is outdated an no longer included in builds |
| 08:43:47 | gotthardt | no |
| 08:44:03 | gotthardt | i dont think i did? |
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| 08:44:46 | amiconn | Attention |
| 08:44:48 | amiconn | −−-+ Conflict |
| 08:44:48 | amiconn | SteveGotthardt is editing PluginBatteryTest. |
| 08:44:57 | gotthardt | ?? |
| 08:45:18 | gotthardt | i dont know how - i have edited some of the others as we type |
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| 08:46:06 | gotthardt | Oh - I opened to get the way to show that Gigabeat gets a check - but I didnt save it |
| 08:46:14 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 08:46:26 | gotthardt | so - yes i did open for edit - sorry |
| 08:46:59 | Mouser_X | Heh. If you zoom out on the plasma one far enough, it actually looks pretty neat. |
| 08:47:02 | gotthardt | but just to get way to indicate Gigabeat was done - then i have been copying to other plugins that are done |
| 08:47:08 | Mouser_X | I'm at least 100 times out... |
| 08:48:55 | Mouser_X | If you zoom out far enough, it eventually "loops" back... |
| 08:49:11 | d47_ | oh wow ur right, it looks good |
| 08:49:18 | RedZZR | gotthardt: could we also have an option for the led's to flicker only on disc reads - I like that but would prefer they were the same brightness as the backlight when using the controls |
| 08:49:53 | gotthardt | sure - so you dont want flicker on touchpad? |
| 08:50:17 | RedZZR | I don't personally like that, but like it when the LCD is off and the disc is accessed |
| 08:50:32 | gotthardt | ah - can do |
| 08:50:42 | gotthardt | good feedback - thanks |
| 08:50:42 | obsess | so i got a 30gb ipod (5gen) and 80gb ipod (5.5gen) ready for testing =D |
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| 08:52:27 | d47_ | heh, i got the plasma plugin to loop back, its a much cooler plugin then my first impressions |
| 08:52:47 | Mouser_X | It took about 267 zoom outs to loop back. |
| 08:52:57 | d47_ | about |
| 08:52:59 | Mouser_X | Or, in that area, at least. |
| 08:53:19 | Mouser_X | I tried to count, but I know I missed a few... |
| 08:53:48 | d47_ | and half way there is a bit where the whole screen is a single alternating colour |
| 08:54:55 | Mouser_X | The reason I tried it at all, is that I have pretty neat plasma screensaver. Seeing the plugin, I thought it'd be pretty neat. |
| 08:55:21 | Mouser_X | It wasn't as neat as the screensaver, but I thought zooming in would change that. I couldn't zoom in, so I zoomed out... |
| 08:55:24 | Mouser_X | Really far... |
| 08:55:38 | d47_ | heh |
| 08:55:40 | Mouser_X | Eventually, it actually looks pretty neat. |
| 08:56:10 | scorche | amiconn: did you see my last question? |
| 08:56:56 | Mouser_X | 127 is where I got the single alternating color. |
| 08:58:57 | d47_ | magical number |
| 08:59:22 | d47_ | i still need to have the activation code for the wiki re-sent to my email, if any1 knows how? |
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| 09:02:13 | | Part gotthardt ("sleeping interval has arrived") |
| 09:03:50 | Mouser_X | 255 is the single alternating color, again, and 256 is the "start." |
| 09:03:56 | Mouser_X | I like the alternating color, actually. |
| 09:04:00 | Mouser_X | .456 |
| 09:04:02 | Mouser_X | Oops. |
| 09:04:06 | Mouser_X | I thought I had the simulator as the active window.. |
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| 09:06:18 | amiconn | scorche: The MAS3587 has no dedicated line out. |
| 09:06:21 | | Quit decayedcell (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:07:16 | amiconn | But setting all sound processing to linear will give you an equivalent to a line-out signal. The headphone amp in the MAS is much less noisy than e.g. the UDA1380 |
| 09:07:16 | scorche | amiconn: would i be able to get one from a DAC to the spdif? |
| 09:07:26 | amiconn | [09:05:55] <amiconn> scorche: The MAS3587 has no dedicated line out. |
| 09:07:39 | scorche | heh....alright...thanks |
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| 09:20:22 | d47_ | oh, the activation code from the wiki was sent to my spam folder :roll nvm resending ut |
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| 09:28:28 | d47_ | is any1 here able to add me to the users group for the wiki so i can add two more gigabeat theme |
| 09:28:30 | d47_ | s |
| 09:29:25 | d47_ | DylanM, if any1 reads this later |
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| 09:37:57 | hen3rz | ooooo |
| 09:38:08 | hen3rz | the daily build for gigabeat now turns of the screen |
| 09:38:22 | d47_ | rly |
| 09:38:32 | hen3rz | yup |
| 09:38:37 | hen3rz | or it might be my eyes |
| 09:38:47 | hen3rz | but im pretty sure the screen is completley off |
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| 09:39:12 | hen3rz | is there like a change log for dailly builds? so u can see what changes have been made? |
| 09:39:54 | d47_ | well todays and yesterdays are still on the front page |
| 09:40:16 | d47_ | there is an option in the debug menu that allows that tho |
| 09:41:02 | hen3rz | ohhhhhhhh |
| 09:41:20 | hen3rz | mine use to just dim down to 0 backlight |
| 09:41:24 | hen3rz | but now it switches off |
| 09:41:40 | hen3rz | uhh here we go |
| 09:41:49 | d47_ | heh |
| 09:41:50 | hen3rz | "Revamped the backlight state machine and added buttonlight controls. Go to the Info/debug menu and test out the new modes for buttonlights on the Gigabeat - ON, OFF, Faint, and flicker - flickers on touchpad and disk reads." |
| 09:42:14 | d47_ | yeh there the button leds on the side of the player |
| 09:43:20 | hen3rz | my x30 doesnt have those... |
| 09:43:53 | d47_ | they arnt in thedaily builds yet |
| 09:44:01 | d47_ | you need the cvs version |
| 09:44:15 | d47_ | oh u mean actually phisacal button leds |
| 09:44:19 | d47_ | lol |
| 09:44:53 | d47_ | what does an X30 look like? im gunna google it |
| 09:44:57 | hen3rz | kk |
| 09:45:01 | hen3rz | they look sleek |
| 09:45:04 | hen3rz | yeah physical |
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| 09:45:37 | hen3rz | http://special.msn.co.jp/computer/digitalgadget/0603/images/ph_06_01.jpg |
| 09:45:50 | hen3rz | thats the exact same as mine |
| 09:46:08 | hen3rz | i wish it was black |
| 09:46:08 | d47_ | ooo red |
| 09:46:16 | hen3rz | mmm |
| 09:46:19 | d47_ | yeh i wanted a black 1 too |
| 09:46:25 | d47_ | i got white |
| 09:46:37 | hen3rz | mine was a b day present |
| 09:46:41 | d47_ | its pritty old now with a bunch of scratches and a dent |
| 09:46:46 | d47_ | rly |
| 09:46:54 | d47_ | my birthday is on friday ^^ |
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| 09:47:07 | hen3rz | is this f series? |
| 09:47:09 | hen3rz | ha cool |
| 09:47:17 | d47_ | yeh mines an F |
| 09:47:22 | hen3rz | cool |
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| 09:48:16 | * | Mouser_X is getting the F40S. |
| 09:48:20 | Mouser_X | (I think) |
| 09:48:33 | Mouser_X | I know it's the F series, and I know it has a 40 GB drive. |
| 09:49:03 | d47_ | heh kewl |
| 09:49:39 | d47_ | my 2 themes just got uploaded ^^ http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 09:49:52 | d47_ | mine are "lain" and "yellowprint" |
| 09:50:01 | * | Mouser_X looks. |
| 09:50:17 | Mouser_X | I'm attempting to make a Winamp styled WPS... |
| 09:50:47 | d47_ | kewl |
| 09:51:12 | d47_ | the wps code is quite easy |
| 09:51:26 | Mouser_X | I'm having difficulty figuring out how to display all the information... Artist, album, and song title... |
| 09:51:33 | Mouser_X | Winamp scrolls this stuff. |
| 09:51:46 | Mouser_X | I don't know if I can scroll it in WPS. |
| 09:51:55 | webguest64 | hmm, you guys would do yourselves a big favour by creating links, in big red letters to the iPOD FAQ's and how to's, as they make up 80% of the pod questions asked in here |
| 09:52:14 | Llorean | Mouser_X: %s makes a line scroll if it's too long |
| 09:52:23 | Mouser_X | Oooh! |
| 09:52:26 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
| 09:52:26 | Llorean | webguest64: Or people could just read the manual. |
| 09:52:48 | Mouser_X | I'm still working on graphics. I haven't even looked at the "code" yet. |
| 09:52:58 | hen3rz | ohhh lain looks pretty nice |
| 09:53:10 | d47_ | thx ^^ |
| 09:55:14 | webguest64 | I really dont understand the mentality of, "I cant get something to work, and I wont read the manual either" |
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| 09:56:08 | d47_ | thats all well and good to try and figure it out on yourself but to go around asking anoying questions |
| 09:56:13 | Mouser_X | I wonder if I should modify my Winamp WPS to allow for album art? |
| 09:56:36 | Mouser_X | I could fit it into the window where the anylizer would usually go. |
| 09:56:38 | d47_ | mmm, that requires people to use a patch along with your theme though |
| 09:57:01 | Mouser_X | I'll leave it off for now, then. |
| 09:57:12 | Mouser_X | Main thing to do is get it working first. |
| 09:57:29 | Mouser_X | Once it's working, I can start adding all the other happy fun fancy stuff. |
| 09:57:34 | d47_ | you can comment it out and write a note in the description to uncomment it if ever it gets supported in the mainstream builds i spose |
| 09:57:54 | Mouser_X | Well, graphically, it wouldn't fit anyway. |
| 09:58:03 | d47_ | =/ awell |
| 09:58:16 | Mouser_X | I could get it to fit if I stretched it. |
| 09:58:20 | Mouser_X | It's not a big deal. |
| 09:58:48 | Mouser_X | Though, if I want to stick as close to original Winamp as I can, then I won't be doing the stretching, unless I add album art support. |
| 09:59:04 | Mouser_X | So, I'll leave it as it stands, for now. |
| 09:59:09 | hen3rz | in the manual it refers to an "edit key" what is that? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:41 | d47_ | in context with what? wps? |
| 10:01:00 | hen3rz | im trying to work out how to qeue a song |
| 10:01:04 | hen3rz | queue* |
| 10:01:18 | d47_ | oh so ab edit button? |
| 10:01:47 | hen3rz | huH? |
| 10:02:21 | d47_ | are you talking about using your player |
| 10:02:28 | hen3rz | yeah |
| 10:02:40 | hen3rz | like when viewing the files as directorys |
| 10:02:53 | hen3rz | how do u queue a song? |
| 10:02:58 | d47_ | if you browse to a song hold the play button then select playlist>queue |
| 10:03:15 | d47_ | you hold the play button to get a menu |
| 10:03:27 | hen3rz | omg |
| 10:03:29 | hen3rz | ty |
| 10:03:35 | d47_ | =) |
| 10:03:50 | hen3rz | sweeet |
| 10:03:54 | d47_ | lol |
| 10:04:01 | hen3rz | its like a whole hidden feature |
| 10:04:02 | hen3rz | lol |
| 10:04:56 | d47_ | some developers should put some easter eggs int the code lol |
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| 10:05:50 | scorche | this isnt a computer application...binary size matters alot |
| 10:05:58 | scorche | s/alot/a lot |
| 10:06:22 | Llorean | scorche: It could be ifdeffed out, so it's really an easter egg just in the code. :-P |
| 10:06:32 | scorche | haha |
| 10:06:33 | Llorean | #if 0 |
| 10:06:34 | d47_ | fair enuf |
| 10:06:38 | Llorean | This is an easter egg. |
| 10:06:39 | Llorean | #endiff |
| 10:06:44 | d47_ | ha |
| 10:06:45 | Llorean | Without the typos |
| 10:06:53 | scorche | of course |
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| 10:07:20 | scorche | i prefer to insert those in comments |
| 10:07:21 | hen3rz | how do u view ur playlist? |
| 10:07:28 | d47_ | hmm |
| 10:07:35 | scorche | hen3rz: the manual tells you |
| 10:08:01 | d47_ | menu>playlist options>view |
| 10:08:12 | hen3rz | thank you |
| 10:08:23 | d47_ | np |
| 10:08:24 | scorche | there are easier ways as well (imo at least |
| 10:08:42 | d47_ | like what? |
| 10:09:19 | scorche | d47_: like the way accessed via the context menu |
| 10:09:49 | scorche | Llorean: like one such example, i saw on thedailywtf... //prepare for return! LF return; |
| 10:10:14 | Llorean | scorche: I liked that one. |
| 10:10:34 | d47_ | lol |
| 10:14:45 | d47_ | lol ive never see thedailywtf before, im reading it now |
| 10:15:17 | Llorean | scorche: Okay, I've now had like, 3 people install the old bootloader on their 5.5G. Apparently bright red text really isn't clear enough. |
| 10:16:06 | scorche | suggestion? |
| 10:16:13 | amiconn | Try blinking red text on white background? ;) |
| 10:16:28 | d47_ | marqee's and neon light |
| 10:17:22 | Llorean | I'm thinking of removing the instructions entirely from the old IpodInstallation page, and just leaving the files. |
| 10:17:45 | scorche | i dont see a purpose for the old one, personally |
| 10:18:09 | Llorean | The old ipodpatcher.exe is necessary at the moment if you mess up your bootpartition too badly, and the new one can't recognize that it's an ipod. |
| 10:18:18 | scorche | ah |
| 10:18:45 | scorche | i say we move the new one out of beta, and move the old one to a depreciated page |
| 10:18:54 | scorche | and change the titles respectively |
| 10:20:06 | Llorean | IpodInstallationOld? |
| 10:20:18 | scorche | something like that |
| 10:20:18 | Llorean | Honestly, I think we can actually just get rid of it entirely |
| 10:20:22 | Llorean | It'll still be visible in the revisions |
| 10:20:31 | Llorean | And ipodpatcher is hosted at downloads.rockbox.org still. |
| 10:20:56 | scorche | i would rather direct someone to a page than tell them how to view older revisions |
| 10:21:12 | Llorean | scorche: When do you need to direct someone to the old install process? |
| 10:21:38 | scorche | oh...i see what you mean |
| 10:21:42 | Llorean | scorche: All you should need to direct them to is http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 10:21:45 | scorche | sounds fine then |
| 10:21:47 | Llorean | Or one of the .zips |
| 10:21:53 | * | Llorean goes to kill an old page. |
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| 10:23:56 | Llorean | Well, I can't get rid of IpodInstallationBeta, but IpodInstallation should now be the new method. |
| 10:24:31 | scorche | it can wait for Bagder to wake up |
| 10:24:32 | amiconn | Llorean: In order to remove a page, move it to the "Trash" web |
| 10:24:53 | Llorean | amiconn: It doesn't allow me to move pages. |
| 10:24:55 | amiconn | Complete removal isn't possbile because of versioning |
| 10:24:58 | jba | hey gang |
| 10:25:31 | Llorean | It told me that moving is not allowed. |
| 10:26:42 | jba | hey gang, is there a planet.rocklbox or something similar? |
| 10:27:36 | scorche | not quite sure what you are asking |
| 10:28:20 | Llorean | I'll up your "not quite sure" and give you a "no clue" :) |
| 10:28:37 | scorche | hehe |
| 10:28:54 | jba | ala planet.gnome.org |
| 10:29:03 | jba | a blog syndicatoin of the most active rockbox devs |
| 10:29:32 | Llorean | Nope. |
| 10:29:36 | scorche | i am going to vote for no |
| 10:30:43 | Llorean | I wonder if we even have devs that blog. |
| 10:31:02 | scorche | not sure if any are the blogging type |
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| 10:31:12 | Llorean | I mean, I stumbled across an article from Bagder at O'Reilly once, but that's a full fledged article there. |
| 10:31:21 | scorche | heh |
| 10:31:22 | jba_ | would be good to have though, or don't any of the rockbox dev's blog? |
| 10:31:27 | Mouser_X | Personaly, I say, why write a blog, when you could be spending that time coding? |
| 10:31:36 | jba_ | sorry got wireless drop out before, so I missed the last few minutes |
| 10:31:48 | jba_ | last thing i saw was <scorche> i am going to vote for no |
| 10:32:05 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 10:32:07 | Llorean | jba_: We don't think there are any devs who blog. |
| 10:32:08 | Mouser_X | Check that. |
| 10:32:10 | scorche | jba_: that is why we have logs ;) |
| 10:32:34 | Mouser_X | scorche: (Thus my link.) |
| 10:32:44 | jba_ | actually i don't know where the rockbox proper irc logs are, i only bookmarked the old gigabeat logs, but thanks Mouser_X |
| 10:32:52 | scorche | aye...you were a bit quicker on the draw |
| 10:33:02 | Mouser_X | That's because I'm already there. |
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| 10:33:04 | scorche | jba |
| 10:33:07 | scorche | err |
| 10:33:16 | * | Mouser_X has been timing out all day... |
| 10:33:27 | Mouser_X | *all month |
| 10:33:37 | scorche | jba_: there is a link on our sidebar that says IRC |
| 10:33:39 | Mouser_X | *all year? |
| 10:33:45 | d47_ | * tries to use the star thingo |
| 10:33:53 | d47_ | * shouts success |
| 10:34:06 | jba_ | d47_, it's /me |
| 10:34:14 | * | scorche sighs at d47_ |
| 10:34:14 | Mouser_X | I was about to say that. |
| 10:34:22 | * | d47_ lol |
| 10:34:31 | Mouser_X | Much better. |
| 10:35:42 | d47_ | halarious: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Pop-up_Potpourri_0x3a__The_Really_Windy_City.aspx |
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| 10:37:41 | Mouser_X | So, Rockbox doesn't display VBR correctly? Like, the actual bitrate at the time that it plays? |
| 10:37:58 | scorche | it shows the ABR |
| 10:38:04 | Mouser_X | ah. |
| 10:38:28 | Mouser_X | I've just been noticing it on the simulators. |
| 10:38:31 | jba_ | why waste battery figuring out the current bitrate? |
| 10:38:40 | Mouser_X | True enough. |
| 10:39:10 | d47_ | well if ya gonna be like that... why wat battery listning to music |
| 10:39:20 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 10:39:27 | * | scorche chooses to ignore the last statement |
| 10:39:54 | d47_ | battery is much beter spent playing pokemon on the rockboy xD |
| 10:40:00 | jba_ | that's two tel-tale signs, hmm |
| 10:40:04 | Mouser_X | I think it's interesting to see the battery life in the simulators... It fluctuates fairly wildly. |
| 10:40:33 | scorche | d47_: then why even get a DAP? |
| 10:40:45 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It should be cycling continually. |
| 10:40:56 | Mouser_X | Hmmmm. |
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| 10:41:07 | d47_ | scorche: lol good point |
| 10:41:09 | Llorean | d47_: I'll trade you my Gameboy Color for your DAP. I'll even throw in Pokemon. |
| 10:41:10 | jba_ | scorche, i thought you were gonna ifnore it? |
| 10:41:23 | Llorean | It'll have better battery life. |
| 10:41:39 | scorche | i said the previous statement...not the one that came after it |
| 10:41:39 | d47_ | Llorean: i allready got em, i got mey on my polemon red :P i win |
| 10:41:47 | d47_ | mew* |
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| 10:43:51 | safetydan | Mouser_X, the simulator should have the battery level cycle from 100 to 0 percent over time so people can test their WPS's |
| 10:44:00 | jba_ | surely not mine? |
| 10:44:42 | jba_ | hey guys, anyone working on other targets (than the gigabeat) notice really flat discharge curves for their batteries? |
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| 10:46:40 | Mouser_X | safetydan: Ah, that would explain the fluctuating. |
| 10:47:01 | Mouser_X | (Again, I had to read that one off the logs... Blasted connection...) |
| 10:47:24 | Mouser_X | At this rate, I should just make that my homepage... |
| 10:47:57 | d47_ | heh |
| 10:49:06 | perldiver | seems like this chan has turned into gigabeat HQ for awhile :P |
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| 10:49:50 | scorche | perldiver: this is rockbox "HQ"...the whole purpose of the gigabeat channel was to port rockbox to it |
| 10:50:10 | perldiver | it was a joke, really |
| 10:56:09 | Mouser_X | So, all these BMPs I'm making for a WPS need to be saved as 16b, right? |
| 10:56:34 | Llorean | 24, I believe. |
| 10:56:50 | Mouser_X | Oh, that's no problem then. |
| 10:57:15 | Mouser_X | Well, I need to go to bed... |
| 10:57:27 | hen3rz | how long does the submission process take? |
| 10:57:37 | hen3rz | cya later Mouser_x |
| 10:57:48 | hen3rz | what time is it over there btw? |
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| 10:57:54 | Mouser_X | Just curious, what's "stop" on the iPod? |
| 10:57:57 | d47_ | i submitted 1 this morning and another around 5pm and they both got added about half an hour ago |
| 10:58:17 | midkay | Mouser_X: hold play. |
| 10:58:19 | hen3rz | thanks |
| 10:58:27 | Mouser_X | K |
| 10:58:58 | Mouser_X | Ah. Thanks. |
| 10:59:08 | * | Mouser_X is using the simulator... |
| 10:59:22 | Mouser_X | As such, it took me a minute to realize I was pushing the wrong button. |
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| 11:00:01 | scorche | hen3rz, d47_: assuming you are talking rockbox-themes.org, keep in mind that that is an unofficial location, and to be sure to add them to the official location in the wiki |
| 11:00:36 | d47_ | yeh i need some1 to add me to the users group in the wiki so i can do just that |
| 11:01:11 | scorche | name? |
| 11:01:15 | d47_ | DylanM |
| 11:01:53 | scorche | "Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." |
| 11:02:13 | d47_ | ... it was in a list of accepted examples |
| 11:02:29 | midkay | that list is actually a "not acceptable names" list. |
| 11:02:38 | d47_ | the first column isnt |
| 11:02:43 | midkay | it's *not* JohnS. |
| 11:03:02 | midkay | what first column? |
| 11:03:03 | scorche | just re-register following the rules, and i (or someone else) will add you |
| 11:03:09 | d47_ | ugh |
| 11:03:24 | midkay | scorche: what's the page? TWikiUserGroup or something? |
| 11:03:30 | scorche | what ugh?...that is a clearly stated rule |
| 11:03:50 | scorche | midkay: add an s to users |
| 11:03:56 | scorche | well, user |
| 11:03:59 | midkay | righto.. this guy needs deleting: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DaurnImator |
| 11:04:11 | midkay | so does GarryN... |
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| 11:04:17 | scorche | there are quite a few instances |
| 11:04:31 | scorche | i dont have the ability to do that though |
| 11:04:35 | midkay | well, i think they should at least be removed from the "write access" page. |
| 11:04:47 | scorche | afaik, only Bagder and LinusN do |
| 11:04:57 | midkay | maybe also leave a note for people who add names to this to not add pseudonyms/short names. |
| 11:05:07 | scorche | midkay: i would rather keep them there just so we can see a list and easily find them |
| 11:05:26 | scorche | i will talk to Bagder about it when he wakes |
| 11:05:32 | midkay | there are still way more that aren't there, i'm betting.. there's actually a full list somewhere iirc. |
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| 11:05:46 | scorche | just users |
| 11:05:50 | midkay | what? |
| 11:06:04 | d47_ | new names DylanMcgannon |
| 11:06:05 | scorche | (as in the page is TWikiUsers |
| 11:06:13 | midkay | yes, that's it. |
| 11:06:16 | midkay | why not leave them there...? |
| 11:06:23 | midkay | much better listing. |
| 11:06:35 | scorche | well, i cant modify that anyway |
| 11:06:42 | midkay | modify what? |
| 11:06:53 | scorche | TWikiUsers |
| 11:07:00 | midkay | i never said to. modify them to not have write access (remove from TWikiUsersGroup) but do leave them at TWikiUsers so they can be deleted later on. |
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| 11:07:09 | midkay | best of 'both worlds'.. |
| 11:07:21 | scorche | i will get to it as soon as i am done with something |
| 11:07:30 | scorche | or you can do it |
| 11:07:35 | midkay | sure.. |
| 11:07:41 | midkay | and you are doing..? |
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| 11:08:18 | scorche | d47_: done |
| 11:08:30 | scorche | and your name reminds me of zelda... |
| 11:08:31 | d47_ | thanks |
| 11:08:44 | d47_ | lol |
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| 11:09:44 | d47_ | ill direct you all here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/Main/WebHome?template=oopsattention;def=bad_wikiname |
| 11:10:02 | d47_ | that first column is a bit ambiquouse, but i get it now |
| 11:10:12 | midkay | hmm. Alock Box is a suspicious name. |
| 11:10:31 | d47_ | ha |
| 11:10:41 | midkay | quote-unquote "name". |
| 11:10:57 | scorche | d47_: that is because that was a standard TWiki page that was not edited most likely |
| 11:11:11 | d47_ | fair enuf |
| 11:11:17 | midkay | so is john smith, but... gah. :p |
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| 11:11:55 | d47_ | lol that name is used as an example so much because it is so common, now if you see that name its suspicious |
| 11:12:36 | midkay | definitely, but i guess i'll let it be.. there must be a few real john smiths in this world. :) |
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| 12:10:50 | webguest71 | I am trying to flash my H140, the "Bootloader.iriver" file at the bottom of this page, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing, opens into a text file, what am i supposed to do with that ? |
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| 12:43:27 | linuxstb | scorche, Llorean: I would say the IpodInstallationBeta is still beta - it's known to have problems on (I think) all the greyscale ipods. |
| 12:44:02 | linuxstb | In which case, the old instructions should be used... |
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| 12:44:49 | dan_a | Does the new ipodpatcher support 3G images yet? |
| 12:45:02 | linuxstb | Not yet - another reason for the beta status... |
| 12:45:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: No probs on my mini G2 |
| 12:45:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Does it load the Apple firmware? That's the problem people have been reporting. |
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| 12:45:51 | amiconn | I removed the apple firmware immediately, so I can't tell |
| 12:45:54 | d47 | i was just reading the log and a while back you where talking about charger voltage for the gigabeat, i would like to ad that its written on the back of the player... 5v, 3.0A |
| 12:45:59 | amiconn | I have absolutely no use for it |
| 12:46:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm with you, but others seem to want to dual-boot for some reason... |
| 12:46:36 | amiconn | The only targe |
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| 12:47:06 | Angry | hi all^^ |
| 12:47:13 | amiconn | Imho the only ipod target where dualboot makes sense is the ipod video - if you want video via the broadcom chip |
| 12:47:43 | dan_a | At the moment it makes sense on the 3G too. |
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| 12:48:44 | webguest71 | I am trying to flash my H140, the "Bootloader.iriver" file at the bottom of this page, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing, opens into a text file, what am i supposed to do with that ? |
| 12:49:24 | Mikachu | amiconn: the nano too |
| 12:51:36 | amiconn | why? |
| 12:51:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: Lots of people seem to use Rockbox on the ipod only for playing games, and use the Apple firmware for music... |
| 12:52:03 | linuxstb | The emergency disk mode is far slower than the disk mode in the main firmware on the Nano. |
| 12:52:29 | dan_a | amiconn: I enjoy listening to MP3s without them skipping ;) |
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| 12:53:37 | webguest71 | skiping music does detract from the listening experinace a bit, a bit like a condom with a hole |
| 12:54:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: I thought this was on the video... |
| 12:54:29 | linuxstb | It may be on (at least some) videos as well, but it's mainly the Nano that everyone reports the slow speeds. |
| 12:54:30 | amiconn | webguest71: True, but then I don't get any skipping in rockbox on my ipod |
| 12:54:45 | webguest71 | do you use the eq ? |
| 12:54:48 | Slasheri | webguest71: you should save the file on disk on the player.. not open it up in a text editor |
| 12:54:54 | amiconn | nope |
| 12:55:04 | amiconn | But I even have a peakmeter in my wps :P |
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| 12:55:38 | amiconn | I can use the eq with 1 or 2 channels still without skipping |
| 12:55:54 | webguest71 | Hi Slasheri, i click on the link to download it and it automatically opens to a view, doesn't download |
| 12:56:07 | amiconn | webguest71: Right-click and save as... |
| 12:56:42 | webguest71 | learn something all the time :> |
| 12:57:35 | Slasheri | and before flashing, use the "dump rom" feature in the debug menu so you can easily restore original firmware if ever necessary |
| 12:58:06 | webguest71 | only save as I have is "Save Link as" if i right click on that file |
| 12:58:29 | scorche | webguest71: ctrl-s then |
| 12:58:47 | webguest71 | its ok i used a old bootloader.irver file of yours |
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| 12:59:26 | webguest71 | and flash works, but i'm still puzzled by that file |
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| 13:00:56 | webguest71 | it doesn't open my text viewer, it goes to html text |
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| 13:01:32 | webguest71 | or something like that, web stuff is elastic bands and mirrors to me |
| 13:02:06 | scorche | dont forget the series of tubes (has that joke worn off yet?) |
| 13:03:33 | webguest71 | but really, try and download bootloader.iriver from here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing see for yourself |
| 13:04:16 | scorche | opens in text, then i hit ctrl-S |
| 13:04:41 | scorche | it is more how the browser handles it rather than how it is on the site |
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| 13:05:00 | webguest71 | ah, but you understand the mysteries of bands amd mirors |
| 13:06:03 | amiconn | lostlogic: ping... |
| 13:07:26 | linuxstb | scorche: The server is sending the text/plain mime type for bootloader.iriver - hence the problem. |
| 13:07:50 | scorche | so in this case it is the site....heh |
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| 13:09:30 | webguest71 | hah |
| 13:10:12 | webguest71 | *strokes flashed 140 |
| 13:12:36 | webguest71 | thanks folks |
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| 13:24:15 | d47 | died* |
| 13:24:22 | hcs | here's hoping it was part of a RAID array |
| 13:24:36 | d47 | lol no but it was my OS partition |
| 13:24:48 | d47 | gentoo |
| 13:24:58 | hcs | ah, so hopefully nothing irreplacable |
| 13:25:46 | d47 | well, i only have another 500gb raid to install gentoo on, and its full of data, just anime and stuff, ive allready wiped it though |
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| 14:02:23 | grille | Hi, guys, isthere someone here, who can help me with my Iriver iHp120 not booting? |
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| 14:06:54 | linuxstb | What exactly happens? |
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| 14:11:33 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
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| 14:32:07 | pixelma | bluebrother: in the split_editor section of the manual there are a lot warnings "image ignored...". Do you happen to know why and what there has to be done to get it working? |
| 14:32:34 | bluebrother | pixelma, does this apply only to a specific manual? |
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| 14:33:31 | pixelma | all manuals that have to describe the spliteditor 8exists only for Ondio/Recorders) |
| 14:33:55 | bluebrother | that may be simply a leftover from the conversion from openoffice. |
| 14:34:04 | pixelma | yes |
| 14:34:10 | bluebrother | that introduces these warnings |
| 14:34:50 | bluebrother | which in turn means nobody noticed yet. The screenshot macro prints out a warning when a file is not found, but that can get caught from the latex run output |
| 14:35:16 | bluebrother | and for ondio / recorder it tells me nothing about missing files. |
| 14:35:56 | pixelma | th |
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| 14:36:18 | bluebrother | oh. That file indeed needs some work. |
| 14:36:46 | pixelma | yes that's what I'm doing (want to do) |
| 14:37:26 | pixelma | I already converted the table to the correct button tables style... |
| 14:38:38 | grille | @linuxstb: When i press the powerswitch, the Bootloader apears and freezes after result: 0. When I boot up holding rec pressed the normal Iriver firmware splash screen shows up, but also freezes. Using the disk in normal usb mode works and checkdisk didnt show up any errors. |
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| 14:39:13 | bluebrother | grille, sounds like the outletmp3 (or what was the exact name?) problem |
| 14:39:37 | grille | yeah heard of it, but it worked for about half a year now |
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| 14:42:18 | bluebrother | it did? Strange |
| 14:42:22 | grille | it startet yesterday, when i shut down windoze: The player kept showing the "usb bootloader screen" and didnt react on any buttons. only when i resetted it, it reacted. After that it didnt boot anymore. |
| 14:43:25 | grille | from other people who had this problem i know that the normal firmware kept on working, or at least booting |
| 14:43:37 | bluebrother | I had my player not booting once. I removed all files from the device and reinstalled Rockbox. Then it worked again |
| 14:43:46 | bluebrother | I guess something was wrong to the filesystem |
| 14:44:00 | bluebrother | chkdsk is nice but doesn't find everything |
| 14:44:19 | bluebrother | I just discovered this recently when I was working with FAT16 directly |
| 14:44:55 | grille | well, i have already reformatted it to prim part with fat32, but still nothing happens |
| 14:45:35 | bluebrother | hmm. Sorry, I have no idea. |
| 14:46:19 | pixelma | bluebrother: now I'm not too sure what i have to do with the images (which were in the 2.5 manual I suppose) but atm there are only these warnings (directly in the tex file). I'm not even sure if the actual images are in the repository... |
| 14:47:22 | bluebrother | doesn't seem like there are images in the source file. |
| 14:47:59 | bluebrother | you could replace the warnings with screenshot macro and add the images itself later. Or don't use images in that section ... don't know what's better |
| 14:49:41 | preglow | amiconn: yeah |
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| 14:50:11 | pixelma | hmm... I think complete screenshots would be overshooting but icons (or parts) would work I guess. Something like the explanation of the supported files icons |
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| 14:52:53 | amiconn | preglow: Didn't you say that you have a dedicated treble & bass filter that's a little more efficient than the eq filters? |
| 14:53:39 | amiconn | I do now think that it would be perhaps a good idea to add these for swcodec targets without hardware sound control |
| 14:53:53 | amiconn | (i.e. X5, ipod mini, probably a few other ipods) |
| 14:54:17 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i do, but testing would be nice to see if they suffice |
| 14:54:29 | preglow | amiconn: as a matter of fact, the filter is already in rockbox, as a part of crossfeed |
| 14:54:58 | preglow | it would just need tweaking to allow gains as well |
| 14:54:59 | amiconn | I also found an arm optimised memcpy |
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| 14:55:03 | preglow | cool |
| 14:55:11 | amiconn | (gpl, part of libc) |
| 14:55:15 | preglow | nice |
| 14:55:20 | amiconn | http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-ports/2006-10/msg00024.html |
| 14:55:35 | amiconn | Didn't test it yet |
| 14:57:01 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, as for the filter, i don't know if the treble/bass controls usually are first or second order filters. the one i use in crossfeed is first order and might not sound nice, but only a test can tell us that |
| 14:57:47 | amiconn | Hmm, could you see which order such a filter is from looking at the filter curve? |
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| 14:58:15 | preglow | amiconn: that looks curiously like the memcpy i saw in the linux kernel |
| 14:58:16 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
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| 14:58:35 | preglow | amiconn: depends on how clear the curve is, but yes, ideally i should be able to |
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| 14:59:29 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/mas3587f_2pd.pdf page 9 has the MAS' bass & treble curves |
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| 15:01:45 | linuxstb | Could someone with a 1st or 2nd gen mini or 4g greyscale use the new ipodpatcher to install the old bootloader (download it from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ and then convert to .ipod format with tools/scramble -add=xxxx) and see if the original firmware boots? |
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| 15:03:30 | amiconn | For some reason philips doesn't provide curves for the UDA... |
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| 15:06:11 | preglow | amiconn: investigating the mas one now |
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| 15:16:39 | preglow | amiconn: i think they're first order |
| 15:18:10 | preglow | amiconn: but anyway, like i said, a small listening test should tell if they're suitable for that use anyway |
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| 15:20:03 | preglow | amiconn: they should also be very much more efficient than the eq, since both treble and bass control is done in just one filter, and that filter alone is more efficient than one of the eq filters |
| 15:20:43 | preglow | just remains to see if it sounds good |
| 15:21:06 | preglow | i'll see if i can check it out during the day |
| 15:21:32 | preglow | but for now i'll have to content myself with giving this place a thorough cleaning :/ |
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| 15:28:55 | bluebrother | preglow, how about octave? |
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| 15:36:17 | Watje | hmz, how can I transfer flac files to my ipod? |
| 15:36:36 | Watje | because amarok says it's an unsupported file format, when I try to transfer it |
| 15:36:47 | Mikachu | just copy the files there |
| 15:37:06 | Watje | k |
| 15:37:11 | Watje | will it get in the database then? |
| 15:37:39 | linuxstb | The Rockbox database will include them, yes. |
| 15:37:46 | Watje | ok, thank you both |
| 15:37:57 | linuxstb | Rockbox ignores the itunes database... |
| 15:38:05 | Watje | one last question |
| 15:38:16 | Watje | is it true that flac kills your battery life? |
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| 15:38:47 | linuxstb | The files are around 800kbps, so there is 5 times the disk activity compared to a 160kbps file... |
| 15:39:31 | amiconn | Otoh the flac decoder in rockbox is very efficient |
| 15:39:39 | Watje | hm k |
| 15:39:52 | Watje | but is it the disk that uses most of the battery? |
| 15:40:08 | linuxstb | See the IpodRuntime wiki page for some test results. |
| 15:40:29 | linuxstb | Or you could simply do a test yourself... |
| 15:40:30 | Ephexis | hey, is there some program that generates the ipoddb without changing the file names? |
| 15:40:34 | Watje | ok |
| 15:40:53 | linuxstb | Ephexis: The Apple firmware is very fussy about the filenames, so in general no. |
| 15:41:10 | Ephexis | damn |
| 15:41:16 | Mikachu | i think gtkpod left most of the filename, but truncated it to 40 chars or so |
| 15:41:27 | Ephexis | i have that 80gb ipod |
| 15:41:48 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What if the path (excluding the filename) was more than the filename limit? |
| 15:41:56 | Ephexis | nop, it changes to gtkpod<randchars>.mp3 |
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| 15:42:30 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i thought it was just the filename, not total path, but it seems i was wrong in any case |
| 15:42:37 | Ephexis | and copy the files to that fucking folders, the same as itunes does |
| 15:42:52 | Mikachu | probably because otherwise the firmware won't find it |
| 15:42:53 | linuxstb | Blame Apple... |
| 15:43:02 | Ephexis | damn apple |
| 15:43:05 | Ephexis | hehehe |
| 15:43:11 | Mikachu | write a letter |
| 15:43:13 | linuxstb | Dear Steve, please make your firmware interoperate better with Rockbox... |
| 15:44:35 | linuxstb | But for a system with only a database view of the music, forcing short filenames makes sense (the database uses less RAM). |
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| 15:45:05 | webguest72 | test |
| 15:45:11 | Mikachu | it worked |
| 15:45:27 | webguest72 | hey |
| 15:45:31 | Ephexis | it could make a tree with short names and link it to the real names |
| 15:45:41 | Mikachu | you can't have links on fat |
| 15:46:09 | webguest72 | Who is the man to ask about archos ports? |
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| 15:46:22 | Ephexis | hm |
| 15:46:26 | linuxstb | webguest72: No-one in particular - just ask... |
| 15:46:57 | webguest72 | in the logs i saw somtheing abut the archos gmini xs 200/2002 |
| 15:46:59 | webguest72 | 202 |
| 15:47:10 | webguest72 | is there a port avaible? |
| 15:47:17 | amiconn | The gmini port is dead, unfortunately |
| 15:47:44 | amiconn | The only porter left the project |
| 15:47:55 | webguest72 | thats bad :( |
| 15:48:06 | amiconn | Rockbox was partially working (don't know if it played music) on Gmini 1xx and Gmini SP |
| 15:49:06 | webguest72 | but it played doom ^^ |
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| 15:50:08 | linuxstb | webguest72: You may want to look at archopen - they're running an alternative firmware on the newer Archos devices..... |
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| 15:50:26 | * | amiconn doubts that it ran doom. |
| 15:50:31 | liljawa | i will play a little with the archos source |
| 15:50:50 | amiconn | The gmini 1xx is monochrome - and rockdoom was added after the gmini port was abandoned |
| 15:51:28 | linuxstb | liljawa: You may want to look at archopen - they're running an alternative firmware on the newer Archos devices..... |
| 15:51:42 | liljawa | u got a link? |
| 15:52:06 | linuxstb | www.google.com |
| 15:52:18 | liljawa | ;) |
| 15:52:51 | liljawa | searched on rockbox site ^^ |
| 15:52:59 | linuxstb | But I've found their website impossible to find basic information such as a list of supported players... |
| 15:53:30 | Mikachu | it looks nice though :) |
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| 15:54:09 | liljawa | yeh bad site ... u know some port for the gmini xs 200/202? |
| 15:54:59 | * | Genre9mp3 brings to mind this "prophetic" april fools joke: http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ |
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| 15:59:54 | Lars_G | Hi all |
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| 16:00:16 | Lars_G | Before I keep on stumbling the net for info, is there any tool that will easily let me convert fonts to a bdf format the convbdf tool can use? |
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| 16:03:50 | bluebrother | Lars_G, fontforge can afaik |
| 16:04:19 | Lars_G | doumo |
| 16:04:32 | Lars_G | errr isn't fontforge mac only? |
| 16:05:16 | * | Lars_G bleeds at the eyes |
| 16:05:28 | Lars_G | oh my gods, the font file I want to convert is originally 12Mb big |
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| 16:06:34 | bluebrother | no −− it's available for several platforms: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:06:45 | bluebrother | haven't used it though |
| 16:07:07 | Lars_G | Thanks I will check it. |
| 16:07:13 | * | Lars_G bows to bluebrother |
| 16:07:26 | Lars_G | I pray I can reduce this font's disk size |
| 16:07:55 | bluebrother | you're welcome :) |
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| 16:09:04 | lostlogic | amiconn: high latency pong |
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| 16:13:17 | preglow | bluebrother: i'm using octave, but its graphing facilities are much, much worse than matlab's |
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| 16:13:41 | bluebrother | ok. Never needed it much |
| 16:16:27 | bluebrother | hmm. Can someone explain what this Rocker guy wants from me? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0268.shtml |
| 16:17:08 | bluebrother | I really don't understand this |
| 16:17:42 | Soap | are you dominik or grant? |
| 16:18:53 | bluebrother | Dominik (without ck) |
| 16:19:59 | Soap | In my humble opinion rocker just wants to argue. |
| 16:20:45 | Soap | That is the second mailing list thread which needs a "better man" to step up and stop replying and let it die. |
| 16:21:00 | bluebrother | looks like, but I completely don't understand what he wants to argue about. |
| 16:21:16 | bluebrother | so I'm not in the right position to keep arguing ;-) |
| 16:22:07 | bluebrother | and, to be honest, as he seems to be incapable to argue in an understandable way I consider my time too valueable for this. |
| 16:22:16 | bluebrother | But I'm still curious what he means ... |
| 16:22:26 | Lars_G | I'm unsure even he knows |
| 16:22:39 | bluebrother | can't remember of my memory failing (maybe because it's failing? :-P |
| 16:23:12 | bluebrother | I get more and more the intention he is simply some kind of trolling around. |
| 16:24:28 | Febs | I was just about to reply to that thread saying "Rocker, you've managed to misinterpret just about everything Dominik has written in this thread." |
| 16:25:03 | Lars_G | Nah let the thread die |
| 16:25:25 | Lars_G | Btw i love how he took "stop full quoting" as "don't use quote marks" lol |
| 16:25:48 | bluebrother | at least I'll let it die now. He seems to be resistant against understanding. Somehow. |
| 16:26:04 | bluebrother | we should really post the netiquette monthly |
| 16:26:17 | Febs | It won't matter. |
| 16:26:21 | bluebrother | or maybe the complete RFC memo? *g* |
| 16:26:29 | bluebrother | yeah, that's the problem. |
| 16:26:43 | Lars_G | bluebrother: I did help desk on an ISP, and I read customerssuck.com daily. people don't read. |
| 16:26:44 | Febs | I took the time to post some basics Friday and people didn't even read it. |
| 16:27:02 | * | bluebrother read it |
| 16:27:13 | Lars_G | bluebrother: The #opera channel in the opera network has a topic specifying the very strict rules for the channel. every day the OPs kick around 20 to 30 people who enter and break them |
| 16:27:17 | Febs | People *who needed to read it* didn't. |
| 16:27:20 | bluebrother | but I guess I'm not in the group of people that was intended for :) |
| 16:27:23 | Lars_G | people don't read, people don't care. |
| 16:27:39 | bluebrother | indeed. *sic* |
| 16:27:57 | * | bluebrother needs a "donate some nerves" button |
| 16:28:35 | Febs | Maybe it's not worth the effort to keep that list useful. |
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| 16:29:05 | bluebrother | so create a new one? |
| 16:29:18 | bluebrother | like rockbox-we-know-how-to-behave? |
| 16:29:37 | Febs | :) |
| 16:29:40 | Lars_G | it will happen again, unless there's someone who can dedicate a good amount of time to moderating |
| 16:30:05 | Lars_G | Btw bluebrother fontforge is great thanks for the recommendation |
| 16:30:13 | bluebrother | someone would need to moderate every post. I guess that's the only way to make it work. |
| 16:30:50 | Lars_G | Well it could be coded. the first month of a person's posts (not subscription but posts) would be moderated. Aftewards he'd be demoderated if considered fit |
| 16:31:00 | Febs | I'm very close to unsubscribing, which is a shame, because I like to help people, but it's just too frustrating to wade through all of the garbage. |
| 16:32:10 | bluebrother | same as me. Would be good to at least read about the stuff that matters for users, but it's time consuming and annoying |
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| 16:33:13 | Soap | create a "blind users" mailing list where the people who actually need help can get it easily. |
| 16:33:20 | Lars_G | I wonder what wrapper can convbdf take fonts in |
| 16:33:52 | Febs | Soap, unless we made that a moderated list, I think we would end up in the same place. |
| 16:34:08 | bluebrother | nice idea. There were several occasions I was wondering if the poster was blind or not. |
| 16:34:20 | Soap | you don't need to go full moderated. |
| 16:34:35 | bluebrother | on rockbox-blind (or what it may get called) you could at least assume that. |
| 16:34:47 | Soap | One violation = warning. Two violations = remove posting priv for a week. Three violations = off the list. |
| 16:34:52 | Febs | I see your point. |
| 16:35:04 | Febs | Arrrggh. Sorry. No pun intended. |
| 16:36:12 | Soap | Or a similar "moderation" system could be used in the current list. |
| 16:36:46 | Febs | True. But is there anyone who wants the job of being the moderator? |
| 16:36:58 | Soap | Give some trusted people the power to declare "thread dead" - anyone who adds to the thread after X hours of grace loses posting privledges for a month. |
| 16:37:32 | Soap | A lot less time consuming than someone needing to approve every mail which enters the list before it is bounced out to the subscribers. |
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| 16:45:48 | * | Soap killed conversation, again. Sorry. |
| 16:46:58 | amiconn | lostlogic: It looks like you upgraded your build server, and now your native gcc is one of the 'bad' 4.1.1 series, which gives warnings for constructs which are perfectly ok |
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| 16:49:09 | * | Lars_G claws his eyes out |
| 16:49:12 | Lars_G | the bdf is 3.3Mb |
| 16:49:21 | Lars_G | i wonder if rockbox will be able to handle a font that big |
| 16:50:04 | Lars_G | heck even convbdf segfaulted! |
| 16:50:35 | bluebrother | Lars_G, there is a task in the tracker "convbdf segfaults on large fonts" (or similar) |
| 16:50:55 | Lars_G | I'll check |
| 16:50:55 | Lars_G | is it a patch or an open bug? |
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| 16:51:49 | Lars_G | ticket, 495 |
| 16:51:52 | Lars_G | 4955 |
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| 17:11:08 | bluebrother | hmm, seems the unsupported builds form always switches back to sorting by title? |
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| 17:11:26 | bluebrother | is anyone else also experiencing this? |
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| 17:20:43 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, I experience that. |
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| 17:23:02 | Soap | is that not the intended behavior? |
| 17:24:36 | lostlogic | amiconn: oh... yes, I did change my hostcc, totally forgot that hostcc impacts rockbox builds. |
| 17:24:36 | Lars_G | How much I'd love ttf rendering on rockbox :) and no, I can't code it right now, sorry :( |
| 17:25:34 | linuxstb | Lars_G: It's much more efficient to render in advance, which is what Rockbox basically does now. |
| 17:25:45 | Lars_G | Well yes that makes sense |
| 17:25:57 | Lars_G | it's just my addled brain equated real-time rendering with better quality |
| 17:26:01 | Lars_G | which is wrong |
| 17:26:48 | amiconn | lostlogic: Is it possible to change this either to the latest 4.0.x, or the latest 4.1.1 (which is called 4.1.2 pre-release in debian)? |
| 17:27:55 | Lars_G | I'll do something easier, does anyone know where the current unicode.fnt is generated from? |
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| 17:28:32 | Lars_G | I of course meant unifont.bdf |
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| 17:30:49 | Lars_G | I'll try to regen it on 12pt see if it still looks as nice, and yet smaller |
| 17:30:53 | Lars_G | or even 14pt |
| 17:31:01 | lostlogic | amiconn: I still have the old GCC installed, I think I can just change rockbox' user to default to that GCC even though I upgraded my system GCC |
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| 17:31:37 | amiconn | Lars_G: I don't think it's generated |
| 17:31:58 | Lars_G | amiconn: You mean unifont is bitmap only? o.O |
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| 17:51:26 | lon1004go | who using Toshiba gigabeat? |
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| 18:29:34 | x1jmp | what kind of data writes pcm_record_data to *start? |
| 18:29:53 | x1jmp | I'm a bit confused because it needs a void pointer |
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| 18:31:33 | x1jmp | no dev here? |
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| 18:33:38 | dan_a | x1jmp: I'm not familiar with the recording code - I think that jhMikeS is the best person to talk to, but he's not here at the moment |
| 18:34:19 | linuxstb | x1jmp: It probably writes interleaved 16-bit stereo samples. |
| 18:34:29 | linuxstb | (signed, host-endian) |
| 18:35:11 | x1jmp | linuxstb: that's what I think, but the void pointer confuses me |
| 18:35:22 | linuxstb | The WAV recording codec would probably give you some clues. |
| 18:36:05 | x1jmp | btw what's the difference between interleaved and noninterleaved? |
| 18:36:25 | Nimdae | i'm finally making the jump to test the latest cop patch |
| 18:36:52 | linuxstb | "Interleaved" mixes the left/right samples in the same array (like a WAV file). non-interleaved has two arrays, one for each channel. |
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| 18:37:56 | dan_a | Nimdae: Can you leave a comment on the FS task saying what you tested it on, and any problems you had. I'm wanting to commit it soon, but there have been too many reports of problems for me to be comfortable doing that yet |
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| 18:38:17 | Juice^ | Im thinking of the image viewer.. could someone explain why there is no support of the bmp format? when they work as album art. and backdrops, wps etc.. |
| 18:38:17 | linuxstb | x1jmp: But as dan_a suggested, jhMikeS would be able to answer any detailed questions about the recording code - he wrote most of it. |
| 18:38:32 | Nimdae | dan_a: that's my intention |
| 18:38:42 | linuxstb | Juice^: There is no image viewer, only a JPEG viewer... |
| 18:38:45 | dan_a | Nimdae: Thank you :D |
| 18:38:53 | Nimdae | dan_a: i noticed problems with boosting, and reference to another patch, but that part confused me |
| 18:39:06 | Juice^ | linuxstb: right.. thats correct :) |
| 18:39:14 | x1jmp | ok, I'll be waiting... |
| 18:39:58 | linuxstb | Juice^: I just mean that the jpeg viewer is designed around JPEG files - the zooming for example is done during the decoding stage. It's not a general-purpose image viewer that only happens to support jpeg. |
| 18:41:07 | bluebrother | wasn't there a bmpviewer plugin in the tracker? |
| 18:41:42 | gotthardt | does the paint prog edit bmps? |
| 18:41:57 | dan_a | Nimdae: Make sure you have a recent bootloader installed. You can test whether any problems are due to boosting by editing firmware/export/config-<your_machine>.h and commenting out the line that says "#define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ" |
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| 18:42:30 | Juice^ | linuxstb: i understand.. maby there should be coded a generic viewer that detects the formats and uses the correct decoder according to its format.. but then there needs to be converted decoders for rockbox ofcourse... |
| 18:42:30 | Nimdae | ah ok, i do have a recent bootloader, at least..it is one after the new ipodpatcher wsa released |
| 18:42:46 | Nimdae | just finished copying the patched firmware over so i'm gonna test it now |
| 18:43:07 | linuxstb | Nimdae: If the bootloader has white text on a black background, it should be recent enough. |
| 18:43:25 | Nimdae | yeah, it does |
| 18:43:54 | linuxstb | dan_a: Is the COP working on your 3G? |
| 18:43:57 | Nimdae | awww man, it reset settings D: |
| 18:44:59 | Nimdae | ok, i see in the os stacks that it's showing the cors now |
| 18:45:03 | Nimdae | *cores |
| 18:45:08 | dan_a | linuxstb: Yes. But Rockbox in general is very unstable - I don't know if that's something dumb I've done or something that's broken while I wasn't looking |
| 18:45:43 | dan_a | (with or without the COP patch) |
| 18:46:01 | Nimdae | well, so far so good playing music |
| 18:46:09 | Nimdae | oh yeah, this is a 5g btw |
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| 18:47:13 | dan_a | I've got an iriver H10 on the way too, so I'll have something else I can test it on |
| 18:47:19 | Nimdae | scrolling is sporatic |
| 18:47:37 | dan_a | Nimdae: How is it without the patch? |
| 18:47:53 | Nimdae | well, i've noticed scrolling speed is tied to cpu speed |
| 18:48:02 | Soap | Nimdae: are you using a custom patched firmware or Senab's? |
| 18:48:03 | Nimdae | so while unboosted it's pretty slow, while boosted it's fast |
| 18:48:24 | linuxstb | We should just boost the CPU whilst the UI is active... |
| 18:48:25 | Nimdae | Soap: i don't those unsupported builds |
| 18:48:33 | Soap | just checking. |
| 18:48:48 | Nimdae | anyway, while playing music, the menu is generally pretty quick |
| 18:49:26 | Nimdae | with this patch, it'll be quick like normal, but with pauses in scrolling periodically, the pauses are short enough for me to think that it's just an unboosted scroll at that point in time |
| 18:49:41 | dan_a | Nimdae: Do you mean scrolling through lists, or the text which scrolls left to right? |
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| 18:49:54 | Nimdae | scrolling through lists |
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| 18:50:19 | Nimdae | the side to side scrolling appears unaffected |
| 18:50:45 | linuxstb | Try manually boosting the CPU in the debug screen, and see if you still get pauses. |
| 18:51:26 | dan_a | linuxstb: Something simple like boosting at a keypress and holding the boost for 2 seconds (similar to the way the backlight works)? |
| 18:51:44 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes. |
| 18:51:44 | Nimdae | how do i manually boost? |
| 18:52:12 | linuxstb | Main menu -> info -> debug -> cpu frequency, and then (I think) scroll backwards to increase the boost count... |
| 18:53:31 | linuxstb | Also, changing the list scrolling code to perform acceleration by skipping lines (and hence doing less display updates) would help. |
| 18:53:38 | Nimdae | it was smooth at first, for about 3 seconds, then went back to the same behavior...boost count is still up so it's staying boosted |
| 18:56:07 | Nimdae | the ata process is getting hit pretty frequently, main on cpu0 is constantly in a run state, as is codec on cpu1 |
| 18:58:01 | Nimdae | dan_a: oh, i should test this disk mode thing since i'm on a 5g, heh |
| 18:58:26 | Nimdae | went to disk mode no problem |
| 18:58:40 | Nimdae | there seemed to be a longer than normal delay detecting the usb connection though |
| 18:58:40 | dan_a | Nimdae: Thank you |
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| 19:00:25 | Nimdae | registerign on flyspray, i'll post my initial experience on there |
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| 19:01:23 | Juice^ | when you go into the debug menu on the sansa, there is no way to go out of the debug/back |
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| 19:01:52 | dan_a | Juice^: It's either power or back |
| 19:02:01 | Juice^ | dan_a: tried them all... |
| 19:02:26 | dan_a | Juice^: Which menu? |
| 19:03:17 | Juice^ | dan_a: in the "view partitions" |
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| 19:08:56 | dan_a | Hmmm, the code says that it's left, but that doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:09:16 | Nimdae | i'm gonna make a few different builds and put them on my ipod |
| 19:11:35 | Juice^ | dan_a: some of the menus can exit by using -left- but not all of them in debug |
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| 19:14:16 | lostlogic | amiconn: which build would throw warnings? so I can test some gccs... |
| 19:14:52 | amiconn | Any swcodec sim, in libmad, see build table |
| 19:15:10 | amiconn | The yellow builds with 2 warnings are due to your server... |
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| 19:15:55 | Nimdae | wow, you mean kermit is actually behaving? >.> |
| 19:20:23 | Juice^ | dan_a: i went through all of the menus in debug and noted down the status of each of them |
| 19:21:02 | dan_a | Juice^: Excellent! Which ones don't work? |
| 19:21:36 | Juice^ | can i pm you |
| 19:21:54 | dan_a | Sure |
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| 19:22:51 | Nimdae | i take it rolo doesn't work on the 5g? |
| 19:22:51 | Juice^ | just look here; http://rafb.net/p/SMOTWH61.html |
| 19:23:04 | Juice^ | that link was for you dan_a |
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| 19:24:12 | dan_a | Juice^: Thanks for that - I'll look into it |
| 19:24:41 | Juice^ | dan_a: no problem, hope you can fix it |
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| 19:25:22 | Juice^ | dan_a: wich file contains the keys for the debug menu? |
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| 19:25:28 | Juice^ | which* |
| 19:26:05 | brainiac_ghost | hi |
| 19:26:21 | brainiac_ghost | i just wanna say, Rockbox ROCKS |
| 19:26:47 | Nimdae | welcome to rockbox ;) |
| 19:27:14 | dan_a | Juice^: apps/debug_menu.c shows which actions should be used, and then apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c shows which keys map to those actions |
| 19:27:29 | brainiac_ghost | i only got my ipod yesterday, but i wanted to make it play ogg files and rockbox showed up :) |
| 19:27:47 | Juice^ | dan_a: thanks |
| 19:29:00 | Nimdae | which ipod? |
| 19:29:43 | Nimdae | dan_a: ok, rolo won't work on my 5g so i can't easily switch firmwares, but i do have a way to do it manually, this should let me test further while away from my computer |
| 19:30:08 | Nimdae | i have an unpatched firmware, cop patched firmware, and a cop patched firmware with boosting disabled |
| 19:30:35 | dan_a | Nimdae: Thank you - the testing will be very helpful. |
| 19:31:08 | Nimdae | any particular content you want me to use? like videos using the new decoder and whatnot? (i'd have to make the videos, i have none :( ) |
| 19:31:26 | Juice^ | Nimdae; there are sample videos online |
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| 19:34:03 | Nimdae | true |
| 19:34:37 | Nimdae | the resolution ont he ipod 5g is 320x240 right? |
| 19:35:10 | linuxstb | Right... |
| 19:35:14 | Nimdae | ok |
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| 19:41:37 | Soap | though at that resolution performance will be so low as to make the "granularity" of the testing less than if you used a smaller resolution, Nimdae. |
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| 19:42:22 | Soap | if you use a lower res encode you will be more able to see small changes in performance. |
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| 19:51:00 | Nimdae | Soap: with the cop patch, that should be different |
| 19:51:29 | Nimdae | heh, i'm gonna use a full length movie broken down into small 20 mb chunks to work around the rebuffer bug |
| 19:51:34 | Soap | no, 320x240 performance will still be lower, thus lower granularity. |
| 19:52:30 | Soap | and if you use the wiki encodes note they are VBR, so unless you measure FPS at the same place each test you will not have useful numbers. |
| 19:52:53 | Nimdae | Soap: well, anyway, i'm not testing the mpegplayer, i'm testing the cop patch |
| 19:53:47 | Nimdae | and i'm not testing performance either, i'm testing stability |
| 19:53:55 | Soap | You are using the mpeg player to test, thus you need to pay attention to the variables affecting mpegplayer performance, and account for those. |
| 19:54:09 | Soap | ok, I thought you were doing performance, not stability. |
| 19:54:29 | linuxstb | Note that mpegplayer itself is unstable... |
| 19:54:42 | Nimdae | actually, i'm using a variety of things for testing...i'll use some mp3s, oggs, mpgs, etc |
| 19:54:53 | linuxstb | So it won't really tell you much about the stability of the COP patch. |
| 19:54:55 | Nimdae | linuxstb: what else other than the rebuffer bug? |
| 19:55:26 | Juice^ | Im working on a new sansa theme :) |
| 19:55:30 | linuxstb | The threading is buggy. Sometimes the video thread will appear not to start, but I'm 99% sure this is mpepglayer's fault, not the COP patch. |
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| 19:55:54 | linuxstb | My local version now seems stable in that respect, but somehow I now get strange audio artifacts.... |
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| 20:04:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: sooo... gentoo doesn't have a version of gcc that's fixed yet, and I already rebuilt my whole system on the 4.1.1 that's bad, so I can't just bump back down to 3.4.6, so I'm a bit stumped about how to make warnings go away. |
| 20:05:48 | Juice^ | is there a fixed size for album art for all players? |
| 20:06:52 | thegeek | lostlogic: can't you have several versions of gcc installed at once? |
| 20:06:53 | thegeek | I do |
| 20:07:43 | thegeek | if you are just going to compile rockbox just install a newever version of gcc but set the system default to 4.1.1 |
| 20:07:48 | thegeek | *newer |
| 20:08:01 | Soap | Juice^: album art size depends on the WPS. |
| 20:09:20 | Juice^ | Soap: im making my own wps |
| 20:09:26 | Juice^ | Soap: for the sansa e200 |
| 20:09:42 | Soap | then you can use whatever size you want. |
| 20:09:44 | Soap | ;) |
| 20:10:06 | Juice^ | kool |
| 20:10:07 | Juice^ | :) |
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| 20:14:51 | lostlogic | thegeek: I have multiple versions installed |
| 20:15:20 | lostlogic | thegeek: the problem is that I don't have sdl compiled for the older one that doesn't throw warnings and I can't make the automatic build scripts use the old one afaics |
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| 20:22:40 | thegeek | ah |
| 20:22:41 | thegeek | ok;P |
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| 21:03:12 | Juice^ | everyone is taking a nap |
| 21:03:45 | linuxstb | Any ipod mini (1st or 2nd gen) or 4g (greyscale) users around willing to test something? |
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| 21:59:39 | Lars_G | Ok there i go, I'm making my first rockbox plugin |
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| 22:00:28 | KCC | haha, what will it do? |
| 22:01:27 | Lars_G | Not much, but I'll keep it a secret until it's done. if it takes me more than a week I'll shot myself |
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| 22:01:46 | Lars_G | it's just a way to get familarized with the env, altough someone, somewhere MIGHT find it usefull |
| 22:01:53 | KCC | looking forward to it Lars, keep us posted! |
| 22:02:00 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 22:02:04 | linuxstb | Ah, the open source spirit - release early, release often.... |
| 22:02:34 | Lars_G | Ok Ok I'll tell what it is, in exchange that you do NOT help me with it unless I ask for it :) I want to immerse myself on the dev env :D |
| 22:02:53 | KCC | I couldnt help ya even if I wanted to :p |
| 22:02:56 | Lars_G | lol |
| 22:04:09 | Lars_G | it's going to be a synth, to create a single wave in sin, triangular, sawtooth or square wave form, from about 10Hz to 25Khz (a little bellow and over human hearing) |
| 22:05:12 | KCC | sounds interesting lars, again we're looking forward to it! |
| 22:05:17 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 22:05:39 | linuxstb | I can't help you either then... |
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| 22:05:49 | Lars_G | And I just got an idea, once it's working I'll duplicate it, and use it as the basis of a binaural rythm generator. |
| 22:05:51 | Lars_G | Well thanks, off to start. see you |
| 22:06:05 | KCC | good luck, have fun |
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| 22:15:00 | BiptoN | linuxstb: you still here? |
| 22:15:14 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 22:15:15 | Lars_G | I don't see a section on plugin arch in the dev docs, am I blind? |
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| 22:16:01 | linuxstb | Lars_G: No... It's mostly undocumented. You'll need to read the source to other plugins... |
| 22:16:12 | Lars_G | ok |
| 22:16:18 | Lars_G | I'm basing off metronome.c anyhow |
| 22:17:32 | Juice^ | is there any easy way to preview the included fonts for rockbox? |
| 22:17:40 | Juice^ | a windows app etc |
| 22:18:10 | BHSPitMonkey | you could use a rockbox sim... |
| 22:18:39 | Lars_G | Oh and btw today I found the PERFECT font for japanese+english |
| 22:18:46 | Lars_G | Maybe i should upload it to the forum? |
| 22:19:06 | BHSPitMonkey | is it in the right format? |
| 22:19:11 | Lars_G | yes |
| 22:19:21 | Lars_G | I can provide either bdf or fnt files |
| 22:19:31 | Lars_G | fnt for users, bdf for the compiler |
| 22:19:44 | linuxstb | Lars_G: The patch tracker would be a better place. Assuming the license would allow inclusion in Rockbox. |
| 22:20:00 | Lars_G | Afaik it will, it's an open license but I'll double check before I upload them |
| 22:20:02 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 22:20:55 | linuxstb | Best to include a link to the license if you can. |
| 22:21:10 | Lars_G | sure |
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| 22:24:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think that if anything the IpodInstallation pages could move to IpodInstallationOld if there are some targets they're better for, and the Beta to the main page. |
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| 22:25:07 | Llorean | But this is because people seem to have a problem reading bright red warning text for some unknown reason. |
| 22:26:36 | TerrorByte | Sup? |
| 22:26:41 | linuxstb | The IpodInstallation pages still work for more targets than IpodInstallationBeta... |
| 22:26:46 | TerrorByte | So, anything new for the iRiver H10? |
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| 22:27:02 | Lars_G | To link to the license directly, I would have to link to a sourceforge-japan CVS file, I prefer to include the license in the file (as the license asks) and copy the text in the patch message |
| 22:27:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought that the only one that couldn't boot Rockbox with the Beta was, maybe, the 3G? |
| 22:27:08 | linuxstb | i.e. dual-boot appears to be broken for the 1st/2nd gen mini and 4g greyscale. |
| 22:27:33 | linuxstb | I thought you read the forums? :) There are lots of complaints about that. |
| 22:27:41 | TerrorByte | Nothing new? |
| 22:27:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: My concern is that the Old installation instructions don't boot Rockbox itself for the 5.5G which is a more widespread target than the 3G. I was weighing on "Which ones boot Rockbox" rather than 'Which ones boot Retail as well" |
| 22:28:03 | Lars_G | linuxstb: What do you say, do I upload the font files in zip format, as a patch, or both |
| 22:28:34 | Llorean | Though I have seen more complaints about the grayscale targets not booting retail, I'm seeing a beginning trend of people not having 5.5G work because they used the old bootloader. |
| 22:29:33 | Llorean | I'll go add a note about the 5.5G instead, that might help |
| 22:29:36 | Lars_G | ? |
| 22:29:50 | linuxstb | But are they all following our instructions, or third-party install instructions and/or installers? |
| 22:30:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: At least one of them was just following the instructions on the ipodinstallation page. Your latest ipodpatcher there works for 5.5G, but I guess the bootloader-video.bin itself doesn't. |
| 22:30:59 | Lars_G | you insinuate there's people other than (a few) programmers, able to follow directions? |
| 22:31:04 | Lars_G | I mean, there's people that read? |
| 22:31:17 | Llorean | Lars_G: It doesn't count if they read the wrong thing, don't worry. |
| 22:31:21 | linuxstb | The ipodpatcher there doesn't work IIRC... It just has much fewer safety checks. |
| 22:31:21 | Lars_G | Sorry, Life has turned me into a cynic |
| 22:31:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, that's what I meant by "works." You get bootloader text, blue background black text, and it hangs at "Loading Rockbox" or so. |
| 22:31:46 | linuxstb | (unless there's an unofficially patched version) |
| 22:32:00 | Lars_G | linuxstb: What do you think about my question? specially considering there fonts are "binary" and thus ugly inside a .patch |
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| 22:32:18 | linuxstb | Lars_G: I think just uploading a .zip is fine. |
| 22:32:30 | Llorean | linuxstb: It got to Loading Rockbox... and then stopped, apparently |
| 22:32:31 | Lars_G | Yeah, thanks |
| 22:32:56 | Llorean | The saddest thing is that the guy was following the proper instructions, got confused by Vista's security features, got that worked out, and then when he went back, followed the old ones. |
| 22:33:06 | Llorean | He may have even used the new iPodPatcher, now that I think of it. |
| 22:33:14 | linuxstb | That Vista thing just seems insane... |
| 22:33:25 | Llorean | But there have been at least 1 or 2 other people that ended up with old bootloaders on 5.5G somehow too. |
| 22:34:03 | Llorean | Deleting the ipod_fw for 5.5G from the installation page might cover everything. |
| 22:34:27 | linuxstb | One problem is that we don't distinguish anywhere between 5g and 5.5g - because the new instructions are identical on both... |
| 22:34:44 | linuxstb | So if people find the old instructions, they may not even know they have a 5.5g. |
| 22:35:02 | Llorean | It'd be nice if people just read the manual. |
| 22:35:19 | Llorean | But there's like, tutorials everywhere, or other sites just direct-linking to the IpodInstallation page, etc. |
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| 22:36:12 | Llorean | My favorite confusion is that the instructions say to replace [device] with the number and everyone reads to replace device with the number, and puts the number inside the [ ]. |
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| 22:36:31 | linuxstb | I just read the latest case... |
| 22:36:39 | Llorean | I honestly don't think people are capable of taking things literally any more. |
| 22:38:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: The mic should imho be just called mic for _all_ targets capable of recording, except the irivers |
| 22:39:00 | amiconn | Only the irivers have both an internal mic _and_ can handle microphone levels on their external input |
| 22:39:51 | linuxstb | Any idea about the H10? |
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| 22:40:02 | amiconn | No, sorry |
| 22:40:19 | Llorean | amiconn: What about the Sansa, mightn't it be able to? |
| 22:40:20 | linuxstb | That got recording the same time as the ipods. |
| 22:40:32 | Llorean | Depending on the line-in levels (if it has one?) |
| 22:41:19 | amiconn | Afaiu, naming the mic 'internal mic' is for disambiguation purposes, and hence only necessary on targets which can handle both internal and external mics |
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| 22:41:47 | amiconn | The ipods capable of recording don't have internal mics, and the archoses with internal mics have pure line-in |
| 22:42:03 | Llorean | The Sansas have an internal one, but I have no idea what they can handle from external. |
| 22:42:55 | Lars_G | tadaaaa |
| 22:42:57 | Lars_G | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6515 |
| 22:43:13 | linuxstb | So it should be *: "Mic" ; h100,h120,h300: "Internal Mic" ? |
| 22:43:31 | linuxstb | And then we fix the H10 if needed when someone is around... |
| 22:45:44 | Lars_G | Let me know if you find the report correct |
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| 22:49:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, committed. |
| 22:50:24 | tamacracker | im totally satisfied with my mp3 player with rockbox now :D |
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| 22:51:53 | tamacracker | the only thing that needs to be tweak is Equalizer, the continuous play, and also startin off from the last time the Toshiba was turned off. |
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| 22:53:32 | perldiver | whats wrong with equalizer? |
| 22:53:41 | perldiver | and continuos play? |
| 22:54:08 | perldiver | and start playing after turn on is in the options |
| 22:56:15 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Should I include the license text on the ticket too? |
| 22:56:50 | tamacracker | it's in the option |
| 22:56:54 | tamacracker | yeah continuous play |
| 22:56:56 | tamacracker | as in |
| 22:57:00 | tamacracker | once an album is over |
| 22:57:04 | tamacracker | it should go onto the next album. |
| 22:57:15 | perldiver | that option is in the settins as well |
| 22:57:20 | tamacracker | with mine... it just repeats the album |
| 22:57:25 | tamacracker | oh cool |
| 22:57:29 | perldiver | you might want to take a look in the manual |
| 22:57:43 | perldiver | and read about all the available options |
| 22:57:51 | tamacracker | and the EQ... it's hard to explain, im not sayin it's bad... I just don't specifically know how to work the EQ for my system. |
| 22:57:53 | tamacracker | in my car that is. |
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| 22:58:06 | perldiver | start from flat |
| 22:58:19 | Juice^ | maby .log files could be opened in the viewer as default like txt files? |
| 22:58:38 | perldiver | use treble/bass, if still not satisfied move to simple EQ settings or EQ presets |
| 22:59:00 | tamacracker | yeah it's gonna have to be EQ presets... the treble some how boosts the bass |
| 22:59:01 | tamacracker | >.> |
| 22:59:15 | perldiver | thats not possible |
| 22:59:38 | tamacracker | i dunno? but it did. |
| 22:59:40 | perldiver | i mean highly doubtful |
| 22:59:53 | perldiver | (everything is possible) |
| 22:59:59 | tamacracker | it did the treble but also the bass |
| 22:59:59 | Lars_G | Any dev oppinion on including the license on the ticket iself? |
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| 23:00:36 | Llorean | tamacracker: Do you mean the actual "treble" setting, or the high shelf in the EQ? |
| 23:00:46 | tamacracker | nope the treble :) |
| 23:00:59 | Llorean | tamacracker: As for your "not moving from folder to folder", make sure the option to follow folders is on, but also make sure that repeat is off. |
| 23:01:00 | tamacracker | hold on |
| 23:01:02 | tamacracker | ill turn it on |
| 23:01:08 | tamacracker | and tell you exactly what it is. |
| 23:01:21 | tamacracker | thanks Llorean |
| 23:01:43 | Llorean | tamacracker: Treble and Bass both make use of hardware features, so if "Treble" also boosts Bass, it's because the hardware itself does that. |
| 23:01:48 | perldiver | tamacracker id still suggest to start from reading the manual |
| 23:02:37 | tamacracker | i will peridiver |
| 23:02:50 | tamacracker | understood Llorean |
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| 23:03:56 | perldiver | because i saw people on mygigabeat forums how they unistalled rockbox after 5 minutes of use |
| 23:04:27 | tamacracker | >.> |
| 23:04:43 | tamacracker | that's because they're useless |
| 23:04:49 | tamacracker | the people that is |
| 23:04:52 | tamacracker | lol but im jokin |
| 23:04:57 | perldiver | no, thats because they dont want to read |
| 23:04:59 | tamacracker | im really happy with it |
| 23:05:05 | * | amiconn wonders what the deal is with those player-brand forums/communities |
| 23:05:15 | perldiver | amiconn what do you mean? |
| 23:05:25 | amiconn | mistic river, iaudiophile, mygigabeat ... |
| 23:05:40 | tamacracker | <,< i dont have the option to continue onto a new folder |
| 23:05:40 | perldiver | oh, uh, they are just...erm...forums? |
| 23:06:02 | perldiver | tamacracker, manual is your friend |
| 23:06:06 | | Join edx [0] (i=edx@edx.chu.cam.ac.uk) |
| 23:06:08 | tamacracker | ok |
| 23:06:28 | Llorean | amiconn: I've never quite gotten them. It's like the brand is somehow more important than the actual hardware, and in many cases they're a bit of a rabid lot. |
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| 23:06:41 | perldiver | because we can spend all day here typing what each settings does for you as you move along with your needs for the player |
| 23:06:45 | Mikachu | i think the word you're looking for is fanboy |
| 23:07:02 | tamacracker | hm... |
| 23:07:09 | tamacracker | it would be in the knowledgemap? |
| 23:07:14 | * | amiconn doesn't know whether there are equivalent forums for ipods and/or archoses |
| 23:07:17 | perldiver | let me link you |
| 23:07:20 | tamacracker | yes please |
| 23:07:26 | tamacracker | for the toshiba gigabeat |
| 23:07:50 | Bagder | amiconn: the archoses certainly has had them but are a dying breed now |
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| 23:07:52 | Bagder | and ipods forums are plenty |
| 23:07:56 | Lars_G | time to go, see you |
| 23:08:00 | amiconn | There are newer archoses as well |
| 23:08:03 | perldiver | they are HUGE forums for ipods |
| 23:08:14 | Lars_G | I hope you find the little font enjoyable :D |
| 23:08:16 | Bagder | true, and there are forums for them too but I've never bothered |
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| 23:08:37 | perldiver | tamacracker http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-build.html |
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| 23:10:22 | DarkPlay | Hello, What budget headphones recommended? |
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| 23:12:47 | tamacracker | LOL This manual rocks. |
| 23:12:51 | perldiver | DarkPlay |
| 23:12:52 | perldiver | http://www.head-fi.org/ |
| 23:12:55 | tamacracker | there's soo many damn features. |
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| 23:13:19 | Juice^ | Is the mpegplayer depending on the mp3 player to have lots of cache/memory for playing large files? how is the restrictions |
| 23:13:23 | tamacracker | why wont you guys just hire an engineer to use the same hardware as the ipods or whatever mp3 player, and have your own production line? |
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| 23:13:55 | Bagder | tamacracker: feel free to do so |
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| 23:14:25 | tamacracker | to do what? >.> |
| 23:14:29 | Bagder | "just hire an engineer" |
| 23:14:33 | tamacracker | oh heh |
| 23:14:36 | tamacracker | sorry |
| 23:14:36 | xorAxAx | hmm, my nano displays an "attention" road sign and an apple URL on boot |
| 23:14:38 | perldiver | :) |
| 23:14:48 | tamacracker | but seriously, you guys do great work man |
| 23:14:48 | gotthardt | hey perldiver |
| 23:14:54 | xorAxAx | when i attach it to my linux, reading sda yields IO errors in some sectors |
| 23:14:54 | perldiver | gotthardt hey hey |
| 23:15:06 | tamacracker | nothing's better than being able to fully control your mp3 player. |
| 23:15:08 | xorAxAx | ipodpatcher fails as well and only gets 20 kB |
| 23:15:10 | xorAxAx | why? |
| 23:15:21 | gotthardt | have you tried the latest build? i was hoping to get you feedback on the button lights |
| 23:15:36 | xorAxAx | should i try the emergency procedure (booting from ROM)? |
| 23:15:38 | perldiver | gotthardt was about to try it |
| 23:15:52 | xorAxAx | (there was rockbox installed on it) |
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| 23:15:54 | perldiver | gotthardt any news about that wps bug? people asking about all the time |
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| 23:16:33 | gotthardt | i took a look but nothing popped out at me - i asked sloth but he was sure it wasnt dma - |
| 23:17:03 | tamacracker | <,< i like the replaygain. |
| 23:17:07 | gotthardt | i have some more to do on the button lights before i take another look - hopefully another dev can take a look |
| 23:18:37 | perldiver | oh |
| 23:19:31 | xorAxAx | does anyone have an idea? :-( |
| 23:19:37 | tamacracker | >.> i like the fact that it automatically pauses the song if the earjack unplugs |
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| 23:20:06 | perldiver | gotthardt ok let me try it now |
| 23:21:13 | Llorean | xorAxAx: If you're getting IO errors, it sounds like hardware concerns, doesn't it? |
| 23:22:39 | perldiver | gotthardt btw whats the status of dual boot option? |
| 23:22:52 | gotthardt | none that i know of |
| 23:23:06 | xorAxAx | Llorean: yes, possible |
| 23:23:09 | xorAxAx | now i am in disk mode |
| 23:23:29 | xorAxAx | sda: Current: sense key: Medium Error |
| 23:23:33 | perldiver | gotthardt any other updates i should pay attention to with the latest build? |
| 23:23:34 | tamacracker | hey guys, when you change the wps... |
| 23:23:34 | xorAxAx | hmm, broken flash? |
| 23:23:41 | tamacracker | do you need to shut off the mp3 player? |
| 23:23:45 | d47 | no |
| 23:23:46 | gotthardt | the fade goes all the way off |
| 23:23:50 | tamacracker | in order to get the changes to take place? |
| 23:23:59 | perldiver | gotthardt testing |
| 23:24:02 | gotthardt | perldiver: you can chose which leds |
| 23:24:12 | d47 | tama: just open the menu>browse themes and select 1 |
| 23:24:54 | tamacracker | the themes that came with rockbox do not work. |
| 23:25:20 | d47 | tama: how do they not work? any errors? |
| 23:25:29 | gotthardt | perldiver: use the info/debug to adjust |
| 23:25:36 | tamacracker | iCatcher, rockbox_default, and Uni Catcher |
| 23:25:40 | tamacracker | nope, no errors |
| 23:25:54 | d47 | tama: yes, but whats wrong with them |
| 23:26:03 | tamacracker | uh nothin... they just don't change. |
| 23:26:15 | tamacracker | right now im using the beatMP_girl |
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| 23:26:25 | d47 | tama: oh, well have you tried restarting? |
| 23:26:36 | tamacracker | negative, im gonna do that right now |
| 23:27:03 | tamacracker | oh i see |
| 23:27:17 | tamacracker | it changes when you start to play a track |
| 23:27:17 | tamacracker | it doesn't change instantly while in the menu optiojns |
| 23:27:18 | tamacracker | option* |
| 23:27:23 | perldiver | gotthardt wow |
| 23:27:29 | perldiver | gotthardt damn cool |
| 23:27:42 | gotthardt | thanks - worth the wait? |
| 23:28:16 | gotthardt | im tweaking things now - any input? |
| 23:28:22 | perldiver | hold on |
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| 23:29:31 | perldiver | should they always stay on? |
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| 23:30:12 | gotthardt | im makeing another mode that follows the backlight |
| 23:30:46 | gotthardt | wont folllow in realtime but should go off when backlight does |
| 23:30:53 | perldiver | so this stuff lcd does turn off completely after fade? |
| 23:31:00 | perldiver | stuff=time |
| 23:31:13 | gotthardt | the backlight turns all the way off |
| 23:31:24 | gotthardt | i dont have the LCD all the way off yet |
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| 23:31:48 | gotthardt | that will touch different areas of the code - havent got there yet |
| 23:31:51 | tamacracker | Also just a heads up, there's a bug in the MP_Girl theme for the Gigabeat, the progress bar is in the wrong location |
| 23:31:54 | pixelma | tamacracker: did you install the fonts package? Otherwise the appearance in the file browser or menus won't change |
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| 23:32:12 | perldiver | gotthardt, hehe, read what tamacracker just said |
| 23:32:19 | perldiver | im getting this all day :\ |
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| 23:32:37 | gotthardt | yep - |
| 23:32:43 | tamacracker | pixelma i did... the font has to be smaller just so it can fit in their proper areas of the gui.. if that makes any sense |
| 23:33:14 | tamacracker | or not gui but theme. |
| 23:33:23 | perldiver | flicker option is way cool heh |
| 23:33:38 | tamacracker | flicker? |
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| 23:34:56 | webguest21 | odd request - has anyone with an Ondio made a .txt file (or files) with button configurations for the Chip-8 emulator? |
| 23:35:12 | perldiver | gotthardt personally i dont need them to go all the way to off, i like to see the player in the complete darkness |
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| 23:35:30 | gotthardt | perldiver: did you try FAINT |
| 23:35:39 | perldiver | sure, im using it now |
| 23:35:47 | wordisbirthed | hi, i have a question |
| 23:35:56 | wordisbirthed | i'm a total linux noob and i'm trying to compile a build |
| 23:36:01 | wordisbirthed | how do i include a path? |
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| 23:36:08 | wordisbirthed | in a directory |
| 23:36:21 | linuxstb_ | Juice^: Try the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
| 23:36:59 | Bagder | wordisbirthed: try the docs link on the rockbox site, it has lots of info about such |
| 23:37:40 | SvenDowideit | hello, I can't find any mention of it on the twiki - does Rockbox support the USB host mode on the iRiver h340 ? I'm about to go travelling, and need the host mode to back up my photos. |
| 23:37:51 | Bagder | SvenDowideit: no it doesn't |
| 23:37:56 | SvenDowideit | poop :) |
| 23:38:06 | Bagder | but it supports dual-boot |
| 23:38:12 | Bagder | so you can boot iriver for that purpose |
| 23:38:15 | perldiver | gotthardt very sexy update overall |
| 23:38:16 | SvenDowideit | is there a technical problem? or 'justa' coding need |
| 23:38:27 | gotthardt | thanks! |
| 23:38:32 | * | Llorean suspects that he has more storage in the form of SD cards than he has free space on his iRiver anyway. |
| 23:38:41 | tamacracker | you know what im gonna have to attempt to do right? >.> put a full movie into my mp3 player |
| 23:38:42 | gotthardt | burned most of my saturday on that |
| 23:38:43 | Llorean | I think they're reproducing. |
| 23:38:50 | perldiver | gotthardt ouch |
| 23:39:10 | gotthardt | but i love it... |
| 23:39:17 | perldiver | do you have any idea who can really take a look at that wps thing? |
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| 23:39:17 | Llorean | tamacracker: It won't do much good yet unless you encode the video and audio both at about 32kbps. |
| 23:39:25 | tamacracker | oh >.> |
| 23:39:30 | tamacracker | ill just wait :) |
| 23:39:41 | pixelma | Llorean: if these are slim SDs you could use them in an Ondio (IIUC) |
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| 23:40:30 | pixelma | oh well... I stand corrected... "thin SDs" |
| 23:40:50 | perldiver | gotthardt but im pretty sure it was debauched_sloth who broke it though :P |
| 23:41:17 | Llorean | pixelma: They're full size ones. They just seem to pile up. I get one free, a gadget comes with another, and so on. About half of them are mini SD with adapter from phones and stuff. |
| 23:41:21 | gotthardt | oh - could be, too bad hes out for the week - think hes in miami.... |
| 23:41:34 | * | Llorean doesn't own an Ondio. |
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| 23:51:39 | hen3rz | hello |
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| 23:54:16 | DarkPlay | what better: Senz MX350, Sony E818, or AKG K12P |
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| 23:55:30 | Llorean | DarkPlay: Try a place dedicated to headphones. This is primarily a channel for the support an development of a specific piece of software. |
| 23:56:03 | DarkPlay | there no place deticated to headphones |
| 23:56:16 | Febs | Sure there is. |
| 23:56:21 | Febs | http://www.head-fi.org |
| 23:56:25 | DarkPlay | i mean, on irc |
| 23:56:31 | Llorean | Well, then start one. |
| 23:56:44 | DarkPlay | got no bot |
| 23:56:56 | Mouser_X | So? |
| 23:56:56 | Llorean | But just because you can't find an appropriate place doesn't mean you should go to an inappropriate place to ask you questions. |
| 23:57:37 | Mouser_X | What does having a bot have to do with starting an IRC channel? |
| 23:57:50 | hen3rz | ooooo my wps skin was added to rockbox themes |
| 23:57:57 | Mouser_X | Cool! |
| 23:57:59 | Mouser_X | Link? |
| 23:58:04 | hen3rz | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 23:58:08 | Llorean | Y'know, if you just used the wiki, you could add it instantly... |
| 23:58:08 | hen3rz | Tranquil v0.1 |
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| 23:58:47 | hen3rz | ineed a username and password or something |
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