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#rockbox log for 2007-01-07

00:00:08senabdan_a: isn't the codec the bulk of the processing though? so the cores will be lop-sided if u get what i mean
00:00:12tamacrackerok so shut the battery off for a few seconds, im assuming?
00:00:16MalakaiIRC is a darwinian hoop end-users are made to jump through before they are worthy of help.
00:00:28MalakaiWEB IRC defeats that darwinism
00:00:37dan_aLlorean: Oh, that's OK then :D
00:00:39Malakaitam: don't assume: read.
00:00:53tamacrackerthe letters are tiny
00:01:07Malakaiuse lynx
00:01:08Lloreandan_a: I was kinda disappointed that codec on cop was only 5% better though.
00:01:25Lloreantamacracker: Web browser.
00:01:26dan_asenab: The codec is the bulk of the processing, but there's a possibility that something is holding it back, so it isn't using 100% of the COP when it's sat there on its own
00:01:45senabcan the two cores be boost independently?
00:01:49Lloreandan_a: Did anyone advance either the memory bandwidth or lockstepping theories?
00:01:49tamacrackertime out...
00:02:01tamacrackergo to that link
00:02:10Lloreansenab: The second core can run at a fixed fraction of the speed of the primary core. It can't be faster but it can be 1/2 or 1/4 I believe
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00:03:02senabwouldn't it be better to have the codec on the main core, and the rest on the cop then?
00:03:33BiptoNdoes it waste more battery having the COP run code?
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00:04:11LloreanBiptoN: We covered this like 2 minutes ago. :-P
00:04:14dan_aLlorean: I'm going to try seeing how often all of the threads on the COP are sleeping when the codec thread is running on it
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00:04:36BiptoNsorry bout that
00:04:38dan_aBiptoN: Because it's not in low power sleep mode when threads are running
00:05:25dan_aYay! I'm getting a player that Rockbox can play music on without skipping :D:D:D
00:06:20senabdan_a, if the codec thread is the main use of processing wouldn't it make sense it put that on the main core, then most of the others on cop?
00:06:55senabthat way, the cop wouldn't need to run at boosted speed
00:07:15senab...if needed
00:07:19dan_aWe don't know how to change the speed of the COP independently of the core
00:07:29tamacrackeri love this
00:07:29dan_as/core/main core/
00:07:35tamacrackeri have more control of my own damn mp3 player
00:07:39tamacrackerthis is a real product.
00:07:47tamacrackeryou guys are freakin awesome!
00:07:49senabfrom what llorean said, i thought you could
00:08:01Lloreansenab: We don't know how, we know that you're supposed to be able to.
00:08:13senaboooooohhhhhh, my mistake :)
00:08:17KCCtamacracker: what mp3 player are you running?
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00:08:33tamacrackerGigabeat F10
00:08:37Mouser_XKCC: He's running a Gigabeat
00:08:53KCCthese gigabeats are popular, i see
00:08:54tamacrackeri truly love this.
00:09:05*dan_a wants PortalPlayer documentation for his birthday
00:09:25tamacrackeri gotta find out how to make the font bigger lol
00:09:34Mouser_XFrom what I've seen, the Gigabeat is only a touchscreen short of being a low-end PDA.
00:09:52Mouser_X(As far as capabilities go.)
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00:10:09senabwhats the screen size of the gigabeat?
00:10:24tamacrackeri would say 3/2 inches
00:10:27tamacrackeroh ok
00:10:29BiptoNLlorean: sorry if I missed it, but has the COP been in a powerless sleep mode before or inactive yet still consuming power?
00:10:38tamacrackerhey in the font menu
00:10:38Lloreandan_a: How long until your birthday. Mine may be sooner, in which case, I can ask for 'em. :-P
00:10:45tamacrackerisn't that where i choose font and size?
00:10:48LloreanBiptoN: Inactive but still consuming power.
00:10:49senabwhens yours llorean?
00:10:54LloreanThe 12th
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00:11:28dan_aLlorean: It's the end of the month. I asked for PP5024 documentation for Christmas, but obviously hadn't been a good enough boy this year
00:11:39BiptoNi just put a 900mAh battery in my ipod4g, that would explain only 6 hours battery life than i spose
00:11:44KCCwoow, beatMPgirl looks AMAZING!
00:11:48KCCanybody running this?
00:11:56Lloreandan_a: Ah, unfortunate.
00:12:00*Mouser_X has no Gigabeat yet.
00:12:03senabthe battery runtime is a bit crap anyway
00:12:06Mouser_X^ @ KCC
00:12:40senabdan_a: that just sounded dirty x-/
00:13:00senabignore me, i'm missing my gf lol
00:13:22KCCanybody got a car charger for their GigabeatF?
00:13:30senabcheck ebay
00:13:34KCCim gunna build my own if nobody sells a proper one lol
00:13:37tamacrackeri do
00:13:41tamacrackerjust go to walmart
00:13:44tamacrackerby a universal
00:13:48tamacrackerlook in the toshiba manual
00:13:53tamacrackerat how much voltage it needs
00:13:59tamacrackeri think it's 4.5 or 6
00:13:59KCCit needs 5v
00:14:02tamacrackerone of the two.
00:14:10tamacrackeryeah so use 4.5 :D
00:14:17KCCiwas told that was a bad idea
00:14:21senabuse 5v
00:14:30tamacrackerwhat's a bad idea?
00:14:35KCCare those chargers on eBay safe?
00:14:41tamacrackerto use a .5 lower voltage?
00:14:44KCCtamacracker: 4.5v on a 5v gigabeat
00:14:50senabdon't make do with chargers not spec'ed for your player
00:15:08tamacracker:\ the next settin is 6
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00:15:36LloreanCan the gigabeat charge from USB?
00:15:57Mouser_XI thought it could. I wouldn't know.
00:16:04tamacrackeri don't believe so... not that i know of honestly lol
00:16:22tamacrackeris there any way i can make the font... "a lot" bigger?
00:16:31KCC ... this guy claims 5.0 volt and 2867mA
00:16:34senabdownload a different font, it's the only way
00:16:38KCCwould that be safe?
00:16:53Mouser_Xtamacracker: Change the font, or the WPS, I think.
00:16:59senabi don't know, i haven't got a gigabeat, check the manual
00:17:02tamacrackerwps and font doesn't change >.>
00:17:07Lloreantamacracker: Just pick a larger font. Try Unifont, it's fairly large, and supports many character sets
00:17:46senabyes the gigabeat can charge from usb
00:18:00tamacrackerthe font sizes definitely do not change.
00:18:11tamacrackerand the .wps doesn't change either.
00:18:26Lloreantamacracker: So, "Unifont" shows up in the browse fonts list?
00:18:27Mouser_XDo you have different WPS and fonts installed?
00:18:43tamacrackeryeah Llorean
00:18:51tamacrackeryeah Mouser_X
00:18:56tamacrackerI have 3 .wps
00:18:58LloreanAre you actually selecting it or just highlighting it and backing out of the menu?
00:18:59MalakaiThe WPS file format should include a target resolution line.
00:19:01tamacrackerand a crap load of fonts
00:19:03LloreanI'm guessing you're pressing the wrong button on it.
00:19:06tamacrackerbut the fonts and wps files dont do anything.
00:19:28tamacrackeri hit the very center of the cross... which is to select.
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00:19:43senabi quite like the look of those gigabeats
00:19:46tamacrackerunless the center of the cross no longer is the select button?
00:20:05LloreanI don't have a gigabeat.
00:20:09LloreanWhat does the manual say?
00:20:22goffacenter cross is select
00:20:38Malakaitamacracker: push the right arrow to select the WPS theme
00:20:39tamacrackerwps files - i catcher, rock box default, and unicatcher
00:20:46tamacrackerdid Malakai.
00:21:00tamacrackerit even says loading
00:21:38Russ__lemme try. The default font is bugging me too. Just downloaded the font pack.
00:21:51Malakaiworks for me, and i just did a full build from CVS
00:21:59Malakaiwith make fullzip
00:22:06Malakaifont switching and theme switching work fine
00:22:09tamacrackeri didn't do CVS >.>
00:22:12tamacrackeri did daily.
00:22:14senabwho made icatcher for 320x240?
00:22:29tamacrackeri like the zooming option on the pictures...
00:23:46Russ__Ok - here is the only dealbreaker for me totally switching to rb on my F40. I need a quick "delete current song" option. It doesn't seem like that is in rockbox at all.
00:23:46tamacrackercrap non of the three themes work.
00:23:51LloreanRuss__: Try reading the manual.
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00:23:57LloreanRuss__: There's a Delete option in the context menu.
00:24:47Malakaidealbreaker huh. You mean you're prepared to walk away w/ o that one
00:24:51Russ__Don't you have to go back to the file browse menu and delete the song from there?
00:25:14Mouser_XI don't think so... This was talked about a day or 3 ago.
00:25:31Russ__Yeah - probably brought up by me. ;-)
00:25:35senabgotta say, i love some of the gigabeat wps'
00:25:42LloreanRuss__: Click and hold on the file, and choose delete.
00:25:55LloreanRuss__: If you're in WPS, clicking and holding should pop up the menu for the current file.
00:26:03Mouser_XRuss__: If it was brought up by you, then you missed the answer.
00:26:05LloreanYou may want to choose to have the filetree follow the playlist.
00:26:12Mouser_XThe solution was already brought up.
00:26:23LloreanMouser_X: I answered it last time too. :)
00:26:34tamacrackerthank you senab
00:26:42senabmy fave is pixel
00:26:55senabthink i'm going to port that to 320x240
00:27:23tamacrackeryou like pixel?
00:27:26Mouser_XI'm planning on porting the iPod's Winamp styled WPS.
00:27:27tamacrackerthat's too unix for me man
00:27:39Mouser_XI like Pixel as well, actually.
00:27:44tamacrackeryeah i would love to have a winamp look alike for my gigabeat
00:27:52tamacrackeri guess simple is ok?
00:28:02senabi like Sta aswell, got a lot of potential
00:29:00tamacrackeryeah sta is nice
00:29:00tamacrackeri like that gui
00:29:08Mouser_XI still need a Gigabeat though, before I start any porting of WPS themes...
00:29:10senabseems a lot more logical having the screen portrait ways
00:29:14tamacrackerthat's one of the reasons why i choose linux over windows.. .the gui.
00:29:36senablinux can be just as nice believe me
00:29:58Russ__Alright - I think I got it now. Lots of different options. Too many buttons - hehe.
00:30:23tamacrackerBeatMP Girl is the kind of GUI i like.
00:30:30tamacrackeri like the play button
00:30:42tamacrackerand the bottom bar... looks "wet"
00:31:04senabthe 'glass' effect
00:31:07tamacrackeryep :)
00:31:14tamacrackerthat's where it is man
00:31:17tamacrackerthe glassy/wet look
00:31:34senabi based a wps on that for the 5g ipod
00:32:34senabi'm trying to make a wps for use in my car, but the trouble is they look crap with the large fonts
00:32:58senabi guess it'll have to be functionality over aesthetics lol
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00:33:25LloreanMouser_X: You can work on WPSes with the simulator rather easily.
00:33:58Mouser_XLlorean: How would I set that up? I haven't figured out anything relating to the simulator, whatsoever.
00:34:09Mouser_XDo I need to compile my own?
00:34:24Mouser_XIf yes, could you link me to where I'd get started?
00:34:42BiptoNrockbox is written from c+ right?
00:34:50goffajust c
00:34:51Mouser_XC, not C++
00:35:18tamacrackerwps are themes?
00:35:32Mouser_XBasically, yes.
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00:36:21LloreanMouser_X: What OS are you?
00:36:30Mouser_XWinXP Pro SP1
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00:36:45LloreanUse the included .bat file to run it, if there is one.
00:36:54ruisulol i was going to ask that XD
00:37:02senabmouser_x, most wps' use patches though
00:37:11senabtherefore that build will be pretty useless
00:37:20Lloreansenab: Not for creating one.
00:37:28LloreanJust for using/modifying one that requires patches.
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00:37:41*Llorean still thinks you can make damn fine looking WPSes without any patches.
00:37:56senabthere's only one patch i need when creating a wps
00:38:01senaband thats scrolling margins
00:38:18tamacrackernot a bad booty at all.
00:38:21LloreanThere was some talk about including scrolling margins in CVS at one point.
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00:38:29tamacracker>.> wouldn't mind havin my own lady's booty on there though
00:38:35senabi though viewports was stopping that?
00:38:50Mouser_XLlorean: Thanks for the link. That will be useful.
00:38:54LloreanYeah, but I think the conversation eventually came around to "With how far off viewports are, it is a valid feature"
00:39:03LloreanBut it was a while ago and I could remember poorly
00:39:24senabthere are some drawbacks with scrolling margins though
00:40:06senabalbum art is also a personal must have
00:40:08LloreanThe fact that they don't update except on track changes?
00:40:18LloreanAlbum Art is still waiting on Metadata on Buffer.
00:40:22tamacrackeri really gotta work on the font size.
00:40:37tamacrackerthe font is just way too small for me to read while driving.
00:40:43senabno the fact that the margins don't reset the lcd margins on a new line
00:40:57senab*no the fact that the margins don't reset to the lcd margins on a new line
00:41:19LloreanI can't imagine that being a hard fix.
00:41:32senabi was going to have a look, just haven't had time
00:41:32LloreanThen again, if it were easy, it would be fixed, I'd think
00:41:45senabno one is updating it anymore afaik
00:42:09LloreanYeah, I recall the author getting rather frustrated that several of his things didn't get into CVS, if it's the incident I remember.
00:42:23Russ__Ahhh - unifont. Big improvment.
00:42:25tamacrackerwould I be able to delete these fonts? and reinstall them?
00:42:29LloreanHe felt not enough time was being spent reviewing and including patches.
00:42:34tamacrackerunifont doesn't work on mine :\
00:42:50Lloreantamacracker: Deleting them and reinstalling them probably won't change things.
00:42:55LloreanI'm curious what's been done wrong.
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00:43:11tamacracker>.> i followed the instrutions
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00:43:55senabi can understand his anger, especially with such a big patch
00:44:52Lloreansenab: But nobody made him make the patch, and some asking around in here before could've judged it's possibility of inclusion before it started.
00:44:58Russ__none of the fonts work on yours - or just that one? Which player are you using?
00:45:26senabllorean: i know, i'm not blaming anyone
00:45:40senabit's just one of those things
00:45:44LloreanYeah, it happens.
00:45:52tamacrackerI'm using the F10
00:45:55LloreanIt's sad that he left though.
00:46:01tamacrackerand i have over 20 different fonts
00:46:11tamacrackerbut non of them do anything.
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00:46:57Overand <−− I'm having this bug, and would love to help provide more info if I can. Don't know exactly what route to go. I'm at work right now, but I'll hit up the wiki on bug reports soon, unless anyone has something specific
00:47:05Russ__bummer. F40 here. That default font definately would have caused a car crash for me. Didn't fit right in the WPS either.
00:47:23tamacrackerthis is just too small
00:47:28senaboverand: i get this sometimes too
00:47:38tamacrackeri literally have to stick my mp3 player in my face and i have 20/20 vision.
00:47:47senaboverand, hold menu+select when it does this, it'll then reboot completely
00:47:50tamacrackerIs Malakai here?
00:48:17tamacrackerI wonder if he has instructions on how to revert my converted files from .mp3.sat to .mp3 or .wav
00:48:19LloreanOverand: Since it happens while the device is off, and immediately upon poweron, it's a bug in Apple's code handling poweron as opposed to waking from sleep.
00:48:54Lloreantamacracker: And can you get music to play?
00:49:10senabbut since i've updated to ipod firmware 1.21 it hasn't happened
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00:49:51tamacrackerno Llorean
00:50:02tamacrackerit doesn't recognize the audio fiels
00:50:05Russ__I read that you can use WMP to get them back to .mp3 - never tried it though. I don't use WMP.
00:50:06tamacrackerbut it does see them.
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00:50:16LloreanRegular audio files?
00:50:18LloreanNot the .sat ones?
00:50:21tamacrackerfrom .sat?
00:50:28tamacrackeras of now
00:50:30tamacrackerall my files at .sat
00:50:37tamacrackerso they will not play.
00:50:41LloreanPut a normal MP3 on there, and try it.
00:50:58Overandsenab: I know holding menu+select works, I didn't have a problem with that.
00:51:15tamacrackerwindows media player can do that?...
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00:51:19tamacrackeri dunno how that's possible.
00:51:26tamacrackerLlorean im gonna try that irght now
00:51:27senabtry upgrading the ipod firmware, as i say i haven't had any trouble since updating
00:51:49Overand(I'm on 1.2.1)
00:52:10Overandit only happens when "plugged in"it seems
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00:52:14Overandi left a fairly detailed description of it on the bugtracker
00:52:32*Llorean wonders how we're supposed to fix Apple's bug.
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00:53:02senaboverand: okay seems its still there
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00:57:08LloreanWe should post that when searching the patch tracker, people should change from "All Open Tasks" to "All statuses" so that when they look they can see if their idea has already been rejected, too.
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01:18:49mlind'Ello. I can't seem to edit my tasks on FlySpray. Why? Or how?
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01:27:01mlindNo one who knows?
01:27:20mlindDo I have to be on a "developers" list?
01:28:00mlind...or "group" was maybe the word
01:28:13dan_amlind: I think you might have to be, but I'm not sure who the best person to ask is. Maybe Bagder?
01:29:52KCCshould I update my gigabeat to firmware 3.00 before loading Rockbox?
01:29:59Mikachuyeah, only devels can edit tasks
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01:30:49mlinddan_a: ok, thanks
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01:32:49Russ__I think my F40 firmware is still at 2.0 and rb works fine.
01:33:01Russ__lemme double check
01:33:20Soapwell, depends on how you define "fully"
01:33:48Soap^^ignore that - I just replied to a 7 hour old question, sorry.
01:35:02KCCthanks russ
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01:37:10Russ__Hmmm - tried to boot into original os to check firmware revision and it didn't work.
01:37:31Russ__"Woops, should not return from firmware."
01:37:58MalakaiGB bootloader isn't really feature complete yet
01:38:12KCChaha thanks anyways russ, ur the man
01:38:15MalakaiYou can't switch to the original FW from rockbox.
01:38:42Malakaiyou would have to manually swap the FWIMG01.DAT file with .ORIG
01:38:57Russ__Well, then it shouldn't say that at boot! hehe
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01:39:38*Russ__ goes to put in a bug notice
01:39:38Malakaibaby steps
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01:40:04Malakaithe GB hackers are still trying to get the GB to restart programatically
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01:40:19Malakaionce they can get it to reload on command, most of the BL will be complete
01:40:20KCCi love the GB hackers
01:40:21KCCall of you
01:40:22LloreanRuss__: Don't file bug reports for known incomplete things.
01:40:52Russ__Llorean: I'm just joking.
01:41:24LloreanRuss__: Many people do so. I had no way of knowing. We frequently get bug reports like "WMA files freeze when I try to play them"
01:41:26Russ__I've been following the irc logs of gigabeat for months. I know how new all the progress is. Amazing stuff.
01:44:12MalakaiBug #82734 Gigabeat F series turns all MP3's to .MP3.SAT, PLEASE FIX ASAP, OR I WONT USE ROXBOCKS!!!!!!!! EVA!
01:45:43LloreanMalakai: Honestly, the most irritating are the feature requests we get for things that Rockbox already does. I'm always tempted to type as further explanation for closing them "User is illiterate, or immune to manuals"
01:46:12MalakaiBug Cause: Somewhere between keyboard and back of users head.
01:46:21LloreanThe fact that they went through the effort of going to our feature request tracker, and typing out a request for something, without first just checking the manual. Heh.
01:46:21MalakaiBug Fix: Decapitation
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01:46:43Malakaiit's like that in every open project.
01:46:44tamacrackerGot a new problem.
01:47:04tamacrackerWhen starting the mp3 player and holding A buttom
01:47:14tamacrackeri get an error.
01:47:30scorcheyeah, but not all OS projects have 12 year olds wanting to install and use their product for doom
01:47:30MalakaiP: "Doctor when I do this it hurts."
01:47:33MalakaiD: Don't do that
01:48:09Lloreanscorche: Many OS products also don't have full PDF manuals with screenshots and everything
01:48:21tamacrackerError: Woops, should not return from firmware!
01:48:24scorcheLlorean: and regularly updated
01:48:25Malakaiscor: Crystalspace had a group like that for awhile. It was tied to a MMORPG and people who beta'd the game would come into the CS channels begging for some high level featgure already possible
01:48:52MalakaiThe documentation for RB is very impressive. It's just sad to think how few people will ever read them
01:49:15Malakaibut if they weren't there, people would say "OMG, make some documentation and maybe we won't ask stupid questions"
01:49:43tamacrackerIs there any other way to convert the files from sat to mp3 other than using windows media player?
01:50:22tamacrackerI can't even go back to my default firmware :\
01:51:06dan_aI would love to see some documentation installed onto the players with Rockbox. I'm thinking about ways to do this.
01:51:17Malakaitamacracker: there is a process. but it's not fun
01:51:34tamacrackerim assuming through notepad?
01:51:41Malakaitamacracker: if you get the GB into MTP mode via WMP, you can at some point bring up a MTP view of the files, and they are decrypted
01:51:48Malakaiyou can then transfer them to the HD at USB 1.1 speeds
01:52:22FebsMalakai: I did a survey on the forums once, and was surprised by the number of people who had at least referred to the manual.
01:52:30tamacrackerugh just thinkin about downloading all those albums again makes me sick to my stomach
01:53:06Malakaiyou should buy an external 160GB drive in a USB enclosure and make it your MP3 library, then pull from there and push to any DAP you buy
01:53:09tamacrackerMalakai, what does that error mean? Woops, should not return from firmware! ?
01:53:22tamacrackertru Malakai
01:53:43Malakaitamacracker: the GB bootloader is trying to reboot but the code to do that isn't finished
01:54:17Lloreandan_a: It'd have to be easily browsable, like a limited HTML, for easy navigation.
01:54:18tamacrackeroh lol so just let it keep runnin?
01:54:25LloreanOr cut into a lot of chunks, though that makes it harder to search
01:54:40tamacrackeror literally the code isn't finished?
01:54:51tamacrackerand im stuck until update
01:54:56MalakaiLlorean: could use WAP
01:55:06MalakaiHTML -> WAP 'cards' utilities exist
01:55:17dan_aLlorean: I was thinking of trying to adapt the quickstart section of the manual
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01:55:46MalakaiLlorean: er i mean WML i suppose, not the actual WAP protocal stack
01:55:53dan_aAnd have a help.rock that got autostarted the first time someone used Rockbox
01:56:01Russ__tamacracker: Why can't you go back to your original firmware?
01:56:04Malakaidan_a: investigate into WML
01:56:07Lloreandan_a: I wouldn't mind seeing a full manual using the viewer they're working on for wikipedia.
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01:56:09MalakaiWML is made for small screen devices like phones
01:56:34dan_aMalakai: I will - the trick will be formatting the information to fit too
01:56:55MalakaiI thnk the TEX files are pretty structured
01:57:15Malakaiif you go TEX -> XML you might be able to write a simple XSL to get a rough WML version
01:57:15tamacrackerRuss_ i have no idea
01:57:22Malakaibasing each WML card on a section/paragraph
01:57:23tamacrackerit will just freeze
01:57:44MalakaiRuss__: ROLO and rebooting and original firmware is not ready yet for GB's
01:57:56Malakainoone's figure out a way to reboot the GB
01:58:19MalakaiThey tried to make the watchdog timer do it, but must be missing some setting
01:58:20tamacrackerdamn i wish i would have known that before installin this firmware, i would have been able to convert my mp3s back to normal.
01:58:25dan_aMalakai: I'll look at that idea
01:58:33Malakaitamacracker: you can revert manually
01:58:42tamacrackerhow so?
01:58:46Malakaitamacracker: rename the FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG to FWIMG01.DAT
01:59:14tamacrackerreal quick question before i go back to windows
01:59:20Malakaithat's all the bootloader is really going to do. Check for a .ORIG file, and replace the non-ORIG file with that data.
01:59:31LloreanI swear the Sansa boots faster Rockbox BL -> Retail, than it did straight retail.
01:59:34tamacrackerwhen i open up windows media player
01:59:49tamacrackerand click on "sync" tab
01:59:51dan_aLlorean: Probably - it doesn't need to decrypt the firmware
02:00:05LloreanAh, that'd do it.
02:00:22LloreanThat kinda makes having the RB bootloader worth it even if I weren't all eager waiting for audio.
02:00:36LloreanWell, it would make it worth it if I could stand the retail firmware for more than about 5 minutes
02:00:40tamacrackerMalakai, from where do i convert my files back?
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02:00:45tamacrackerto regular mp3.. if you know?
02:01:13tamacrackeri know i need to use windows media player
02:01:19Malakaitamacracker: boot up WMP11, then connect your GB. WMP should detect it and put it into MTP mode. If it doesn't, go into the GB software and tell it you want to use USB in WMP mode.
02:01:43tamacrackerthen what? open the GB drive?
02:01:58Malakaitamacracker: once in MTP mode (as opposed to it just being a big USB harddrive) you can go to the Control Panel and click on Audio device or Digital Audio device... something, find your plaer, and 'browse' it
02:02:00tamacrackeror does windows media player already have a converter? or ripper?
02:02:05Mikachugreat, another meaning of GB, just what we need :)
02:02:16Malakaiyou'll get an exploer window of files, which if you drag to your harddrive will be converted back to .mp3
02:02:33MalakaiMikachu: context is everything in this world.
02:02:40tamacrackerthanks Malakai
02:02:51LloreanMikachu: We should recommend GBT be used
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02:03:05LloreanOne letter more, but no confusion with Gigabytes.
02:03:09Malakaigl with that one
02:03:20FebsGreat. As if the user list weren't cluttered enough these days, now we have some ass looking for hosting for pirated music and cross-posting to multiple lists.
02:03:25Malakaii think context should be pretty easy to determine whcih someone is talking about.
02:03:30LloreanMalakai: One extra letter is to much?
02:03:40Malakaii.e, I have 60GB of space on my GB
02:03:52Malakaiif you can't parse that, you need to remove yourself from your gene pool.
02:03:58Malakaier our gene pool
02:04:01LloreanMalakai: Context works fine so long as the person typing the original message has a good grasp of english.
02:04:13Malakaiwell that can be a bitch.
02:04:50LloreanWhy not type one more letter to avoid potential future confusion?
02:05:00Mouser_XGB = Gigabeat, Gigabyte, and Gameboy...
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02:05:11MalakaiI was playing GB on my GB and ran out of GB's
02:05:12LloreanSo, "I can't be bothered", gotcha.
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02:05:22Mouser_Xlol @ Malakai
02:05:38MalakaiLlorean: i think there's bigger fish to fry then abbreviations
02:05:50LloreanBut frying the small fish doesn't cost anything
02:05:57LloreanThat's not an excuse not to do it.
02:06:07Malakaibut if you want to try and convert everyone that joins the channel to use GBT instead of GB, obviously noone will stop you.
02:06:14Mouser_XI think I'll use GBC (Gameboy Color), GBT (Gigabeat Toshiba) and GB (Gigabyte).
02:06:14ruisuSo.. how hard is it to make a plugin?
02:06:14Malakaibut there's a year worth of people reading IRC logs using GB
02:06:23LloreanMalakai: Honestly, I think we need a common abbreviations wiki page for a few things.
02:06:43Mouser_XLlorean: That sounds like a good idea.
02:06:51LloreanEspecially confusion relating to 4G vs 4Gb when discussion iPods.
02:07:03MalakaiI think we've spent too much time on it already, to be honest. i'm going to go back to writign my first plugin.
02:07:19LloreanMalakai: I don't see what you have against the idea of being explicit.
02:07:36LloreanFor example, people coming in here and simple referring to the "S Series" as if that were a global term.
02:08:02LloreanWhile yes, the most likely S Series is the Gigabeat one, but if people aren't aware of the Gigabeat, they'll have no basis on which to make that leap.
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02:08:50LloreanSame falls true to GB. If they don't know about the Gigabeat, they're going to be more confused with an abbreviation they already have a meaning for than if simply handed an abbreviation they aren't familiar with.
02:09:28*Mouser_X is most familiar with it to mean Gameboy...
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02:10:03MikachuMalakai: 2G ipod is another ambiguous term
02:10:23LloreanI think GB is less ambiguous, but it's still enough that a distinction would help, especially for non Gigabeat users.
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02:10:34LloreanMaybe TGB.
02:10:38Malakainot ignoring you all, but going for dinner.
02:10:41ruisuhey, on what filesystems can rockbox run???
02:11:04ruisuok thx
02:11:06Mikachuit sort of works on fat16 too
02:11:12Mikachubut i can't recommend it
02:11:21ruisurigh, thanks
02:11:26FebsIt does not work on HFS+ or NTFS, if that is the question.
02:11:45ruisuhehe mhm thats right
02:11:54ruisuanyways... thanks
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02:23:09*Llorean loves it when people curse him out for pointing out to them that they're breaking the rules.
02:23:54dan_aWhat did the post say? The report made it sound entertaining
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02:26:02FebsYeah, I'm curious too.
02:28:20LloreanEh, it was random ranting about me telling him not to ask for progress reports.
02:28:30perldiverany news on that wps bug?
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02:28:51LloreanTo give a general idea, when I then PMed him telling him that language is unacceptable his response to me began with the words "Hey cock gobbler"
02:28:56LloreanI've given him an absolute final warning now.
02:29:09FebsI liked the guy the other day who accused me of "despising all non-Rockbox DAPS" or something like that because I closed his thread about SonicStage in the New Ports forum.
02:29:16LloreanWhich means you'll probably see a new ban show up in the list in about 10 minutes.
02:29:46LloreanFebs: I sent that guy a PM as well, explaining that your behaviour was completely acceptable by my standard, by the way.
02:29:55FebsThank you.
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02:31:25FebsI've started just deleting inappropriate posts in the "New Ports" forum.
02:31:43FebsThere's only so many times we can say "don't post just to ask for progress."
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02:32:29LloreanFebs: In most cases, I've deleted them and sent a PM.
02:33:08LloreanBut it was widely discussed on that thread not to ask for progress, as well it's in the POSTING IN THIS FORUM post, so I wanted to reiterate it in-thread yet again.
02:33:31LloreanAnyway, as expected, he responded to me rather rudely. I've banned him for 14 days, read-only.
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02:34:44LloreanI have a suspicion he'll create a new account though. His IP is dynamic. So, if you see an abusive member at * it's probably him again.
02:35:30LloreanActually, he already did try to create another account.
02:35:38LloreanBut the single-IP ban caught him.
02:35:56Mikachumaybe it's our old friend prot, he had but another city though
02:39:41LloreanEither way, he's gone for now, and I guess we'll see if he tries again tomorrow.
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02:44:30*Soap tries to avoid cox jokes.
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02:46:01flipperuhmmm hi all - i have a problem with my ipod 4g :(
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02:48:15linuxstbflipper: Are you going to share it?
02:48:26flipperi was waiting for a reply :)
02:48:35flipperi d/loaded the daily
02:48:49flipperalong with the fonts and ibm tts english voice file
02:49:10flipperthen follow the guide to install using ipodpatcher (after backing up the bootpartition first of course)
02:49:20flipperand i unplugged from usb to test it
02:49:33flipperit shows the Rockbox bootloader
02:49:48flipperand the backlight turns on
02:49:51flipperthen it reboots
02:49:55flipperin an endless cycle!
02:50:12flipperi don't even have time to go into ipod diagnostic mode :)
02:50:23flipperany ideas?
02:50:35linuxstbDid you install the file?
02:50:51linuxstbHolding SELECT+PLAY immediately after the reboot will get you into disk mode.
02:50:55flipperonto the ipod's drive?
02:51:23flipperno, I unpacked it first, then copied it to the ipod
02:51:50linuxstbDid you copy both the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder?
02:52:17linuxstbWhat does your ipod say on the screen? Do you get an "error: -1" message?
02:52:24flipperuhmm i lll check
02:52:32flipper(the select+play doesn't work for me :( )
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02:52:58flipperThe last message on screen is "Loading original firmware.."
02:53:00flipperthen it reboots
02:53:12Mikachutry rebooting manually with menu+select and then immediately press select+play when it reboots
02:53:13linuxstbYou need to press select+play as early as you can.
02:53:21flipperyeah i am
02:53:27linuxstbAnd do what Mikachu says...
02:53:39flipperi cannot even soft reboot with s+play coz it reboots automatically too soon!
02:53:47linuxstbWhat's the message before "Loading original firmware" ?
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02:53:55flipperversion numbers mostly
02:54:02flipperPartition 1:
02:54:10linuxstbNo error message?
02:54:20flipper19030 MB
02:54:27linuxstbDo you have the hold switch on?
02:54:38flipperthanks dude!
02:54:44flipperpanic stations for me!
02:54:47flipperit's now working :)
02:54:49Mikachudoh, second today :)
02:55:00flipperneed to stamp dumbass on my forehead :)
02:55:20Mikachu03:19:31 <Llorean> Usually "I'm an idiot" is followed by "I forgot I had hold on."
02:55:23linuxstbBut there's a bug with the new ipodpatcher (or the bootloader) on some ipods meaning the original firmware doesn't start.
02:55:34flipperahhh i c
02:55:52flipperI'm relieved it's not a paperweight !
02:56:02Mikachumaybe the bootloader should print HOLD IS ON with red letters
02:56:19flipperit would help :)
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02:56:56flippertime to play with my phoenix-like 4g :) - thanks for your help linuxstb + mikachi!
02:57:09Mikachunp flupper
02:57:30*flipper adds 20pts karma to mikachu + linuxstb :)
02:57:35flipperbye for now!
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02:58:11linuxstbMikachu: It wouldn't be a problem if the bootloader worked and loaded the original firmware...
02:58:57Mikachui think the apple instructions for resetting the ipod specifically say to turn hold on and off
02:59:03Lloreanlinuxstb: Is it 4G mono only, or do Photos do it too?
02:59:09LloreanMikachu: They do.
03:00:27Lloreanlinuxstb: Would having someone -a a bootloader and then -d be likely to reveal whether it's ipodpatcher or the bootloader that's the problem?
03:01:43linuxstbLlorean: Someone trying an old bootloader with the new ipodpatcher could be useful, but I have a feeling someone has (unsuccessfully) tried that.
03:02:52LloreanNow I just need to find someone with an acceptable iPod
03:03:03linuxstbThe first thing I want to do is compare a 4g firmware partition created by the new ipodpatcher and one created by one with the old ipod_fw method.
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03:13:58*Llorean wonders what ever happened to spam posts.
03:14:19LloreanI mean, not that I'm upset that they're gone, but looking over the ban list, they only seemed to happen from June - August.
03:14:28LloreanIs there a spamming season?
03:18:49linuxstbMaybe you scared them off
03:18:49KCCany hockey fans in here?
03:19:00LloreanKCC: #Rockbox, not #Hockey.
03:19:18Lloreanlinuxstb: I wonder if naming the first semi-hidden forum "Spam" actually worked. The timeframes line up.
03:19:33KCC"You do not have channel operator access to [#hockey]"
03:19:38KCChmmm... strange
03:19:53orkidgeez is this #rockbox-nazi ?
03:19:57LloreanMy point was that it's dramatically off topic.
03:20:12KCCalright, lets bring it on topic then
03:20:22Mikachuare you playing hockey with a bricked player?
03:20:28KCCI loaded Robkboy on my GB anddd i was playing Blades of Steal
03:20:35LloreanI bet the Sansa would make a good puck.
03:20:49KCCor the first dell dj's
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03:20:54KCCthe ones that were about 5 pounds
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03:22:17LloreanOperator access means you're an owner or controller of the channel.
03:22:49Mikachuthe channel is already registered
03:22:59MikachuContact: scott, last seen: 28 weeks 2 days (6h 2m 31s) ago
03:23:11KCCwow eh
03:23:17KCCgo figure
03:23:28MikachuLast Seen Address: n=numist@freenode/staff/scott
03:23:53Mikachuthat last seen means on that channel, last seen on the network was 4 weeks ago
03:24:30Mikachuif you really want it i guess you could ask an oper
03:24:54KCCyeahh i dont really want it
03:24:57KCCplus, my senators lost anyways
03:25:01KCCdont wanna talk about hockey right now
03:26:37KCCwow that black gigabeat f20 is pretty sexy
03:26:46KCCwhyy didnt the f40 come in that color?!
03:26:51KCCinstead i get metallic beige
03:26:52KCCworst color
03:26:53perldiveryes yes
03:27:01perldiverf20 is pure sex
03:27:22perldiverand f40 is fatter
03:28:05KCCwow, too bad eh
03:28:17KCCthe f40 is fatter cause its HDD is dual-platter
03:28:20SoapLlorean: the topic of semi-hidden forums is teasing my interest.
03:29:05perldiverKCC i want the red x30
03:29:11LloreanSoap: It's pretty simple. Guests can't see it, those with 1+ posts can't see it. Only zero-post members can see it. Spambots tend to spam the first forum, so it's at the top of the list.
03:29:15perldivertrying to find it for awhile now
03:29:23Mikachumaking the expensive one a better color is obviously a marketing trick
03:29:34Mikachuor wait, it was the other way around
03:29:48perldiverMikachu exactly, other way around
03:29:53KCCother way around mikachu
03:30:06Mikachuyes i think we agree it is the other way around
03:30:40perldiverand black x60 is probably the best mp3 player ever made
03:30:46KCCyup, unanimous descision
03:31:01KCCthe x-series never came to this side of the short did it
03:31:37KCCimagine this badboy running beatMPgirl...
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03:31:51perldiveractually some online us stores had for a brief moment for a reasonable price
03:31:57perldiverbut everybody igmored that fact
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03:32:12LloreanHow scratch resistant are gigabeats?
03:32:18perldiverKCC that player is TOO GOOD
03:32:20perldiveri cant look
03:32:27perldiverlogbot very resistant
03:32:28perldiverto anything
03:32:34perldiverdropping, scratching, throwing
03:32:38perldiveri own 2
03:32:44perldiverthey are still like new
03:32:55LloreanIf someone actually threw their MP3 player, they don't really deserve to have it keep working...
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03:33:16Mikachui've dropped my nano quite a few times by accident, don't think i've ever thrown it though
03:33:35LloreanDropping is different. :-P
03:33:45Mikachualso, if it is resistant to scratching, what you are doing isn't scratching :)
03:33:50perldiverLlorean my friend sent his flying by accident
03:33:56KCCwow, this is one crazy price for an x30...
03:34:02Mikachudid he think it was a wiimote?
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03:34:57KCCthat thing would cost me $500
03:35:12KCCi spent $175 on a brand new F40, and it came with a technohm case
03:35:29KCCnot worth the extra $315 for .x inches of screen space, haha
03:35:32KCC.2 inches*
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03:40:59rockboxer105hey all
03:42:17d47hello =)
03:42:59rockboxer105decided to drop in after downloading rockbox...figuring out the controls and such right now
03:43:11d47omg its great isnt it
03:43:19d47what player do you have?
03:43:29rockboxer105ipod video
03:44:08rockboxer105and so far its really cool
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03:44:21rockboxer105though i keep pressing menu to quit
03:44:42d47ha, i spose that would be annoying
03:44:46d47i have a gigabeat
03:44:49rockboxer105ah do i exit plugins?(i finaly found the main menu :p)
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03:45:42d47hmm i dunno on an ipod, sry =/
03:46:23rockboxer105cause i tried playing doom to try it out...and well its a demo(as in a video)
03:46:24LloreanMenu or Menu+Select depending on the plugin I beliee
03:47:06rockboxer105oh..i see you cant just exit can you?
03:49:06rockboxer105what are some of your guys themes?
03:49:36*Soap uses the Winamp clone.
03:49:39d47i saw a rly good one for the ipod called the 'X' theme
03:50:04combrainsLlorean, in reading your discusson about noobs asking dumb questions on the forums, why not include a link to the RB manual on the daily and CVS download pages
03:50:08LloreanI use Rockbox_Default with the peakmeters stripped, and a black and white picture of Thomas Edison underneath it instead.
03:50:18Lloreancombrains: There is one.
03:50:31Lloreancombrains: That menu bar on the left side is there on *every* page except the flyspray tracker.
03:50:35SoapTesla is a better theme than Edison.
03:50:41LloreanSoap: Yeah, but I don't have a cool picture of Tesla.
03:50:47LloreanPlus, Tesla did radio didn't he?
03:50:58LloreanI thought Edison was still the "recording" guy, despite all the controversy.
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03:51:12combrainsI know its in the menu bar, but that is marked 'documentation' which takes you to a wiki page
03:51:18*Soap can't talk right now due to his tongue being stuck in his cheek.
03:51:39Lloreancombrains: When you click the word "Manual" it takes you to the wiki?
03:51:43Lloreancombrains: It certainly doesn't for me.
03:51:52TheCollectorLlorean: yeah, Tesla was the radio guy
03:51:58combrainsok - my bad but what I'm aying is...
03:52:13d47rockboxer105: i think that 1 looks great
03:52:22linuxstbcombrains: The install instructions are _in_ the manual...
03:52:40combrainswhy not put the link to the download for the manual on the same page as RB itself?
03:52:54combrainssaves an extra click that many noobs don't bother with
03:53:28Lloreancombrains: I'm sure when there's a release, the manual will be included in the download archive.
03:53:36rockboxer105d47- thanks that looks really cool
03:53:40LloreanRight now there are daily builds of the draft manual, and frequent builds of the incomplete firmware.
03:54:59combrainsI don't think RB will ever be complete in the sense of the word
03:55:01rockboxer105right now i'm using jclix
03:55:14combrainsIt's an open project so it will be forever evolving
03:55:24LloreanSoap: See, I had this picture of edison, which works well when scaled for H120 or Nano: (minus the text above it)
03:55:37Lloreancombrains: Yes, but release version do happen on rare occasions.
03:56:13Lloreancombrains: I don't see how putting it on the same page is going to make it more likely to be downloaded. If they don't look for it at all, they won't look.
03:56:26LloreanHow many people do you think see the "Manual" link, think "Oh no, I have to click again" and don't do it?
03:56:35combrainsthats the whole thing - they won't have to look!
03:56:43LloreanYes, they will.
03:56:53combrainsthey are already looking there
03:56:56LloreanYes, for a build to download.
03:57:17Lloreancombrains: I bet you didn't even look at the daily build page.
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03:57:27d47you guys are silly, lol thats so trivial
03:57:46combrainshey - thats unfair. I get my build from there almost every day
03:58:02linuxstbcombrains: Look again...
03:58:08combrainsand yes - I have read the manual for the GB
03:58:13*Llorean points to the Manual link under each Daily build.
03:58:19FebsI count 23 links to the manual on the daily build page.
03:58:31Febs24 if you count the one in the navigation frame.
03:58:38LloreanIt's only the CVS page that lacks them.
03:59:02combrainsok - my bad - im getting CVS and daily pages confused
03:59:09combrainsI go to CVS
03:59:24LloreanWhich is clearly a development focused page, notice the giant build table?
03:59:33combrainswell duh
04:00:03combrainsi'll shut up now :)
04:00:23*Llorean wonders if this qualifies as a "feature request for something we already have" :)
04:00:39rockboxer105well i have to go
04:00:41rockboxer105bye all
04:00:45d47bi bu
04:00:47LloreanThe problem isn't that people can't find the manual, but that people just don't look.
04:00:50d47bu bi *
04:00:55LloreanOr in some cases, read it, but only see the portions they want.
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04:04:35d47how long should it take to send the activation code for the wiki after signing up? i assume not very long, if so could i get it re-sent?
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04:06:12combrainsit wasn't a feature request, it was a sugestion to a problem that you were moaning about
04:06:32Soapregarding the manual, I have long held that Doom instructions should be split up, and scattered throughout the manual, requiring the reading of the full manual to find all the instructions for Doom.
04:07:25LloreanSoap: What, don't we get enough "How I play doooooom?" posts already?
04:07:38d47i cant wait for doom on the gigabeat
04:08:08LloreanI hear that it worked prior to syncing with CVS.
04:08:18Soapd47, if you love the Gigabeat as I am sure you do, Doom is a curse you will come to regret.
04:08:36combrainsyou would think that if people were techno savvy enough to put rb on their players then they could work out how to play to in 2 seconds
04:08:58d47lol im hooked on playing pokemon red with the gameboy emulator
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04:10:52d47so any1 know how to get the activation code for the wiki re-sent?
04:12:57LloreanDoes it send an activation?
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04:18:29DraXis there a reason rockboy doesn't work on X5?
04:18:54linuxstbNo-one has adapted the display code for the X5's LCD.
04:19:52linuxstbFeel free...
04:20:58DraXyeah I don't really have the skill set
04:21:00DraXtoo bad
04:22:37DraXso in some of the WPS screen shots people have album art.. how does one get that to work?
04:23:27linuxstbYou need to apply the album-art patch - it's not in the official CVS builds.
04:23:45DraXis it intended to be merged at any point?
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04:26:14LloreanAt some point, but there are conditions it's waiting for.
04:27:15DraXhow does it store album art on disc?
04:27:43Llorean.bmp files.
04:28:20DraXis it extracted from the id3 tags and convered to bmp?
04:28:36DraXof mp3s that is
04:28:52DraXthough mp4 can carry them too
04:28:58DraXso aacs can hold jpeg components
04:29:03DraXand ogg can too i think
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04:29:17DraX*checks xmms2's ogg decoder to see*
04:29:54DraXat least we don't implement it
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04:30:47webguest02i cant find the FWIMG.DAT file in my f60 gigabeat and i havent even tried to install anything yet any ideas what to do?
04:30:53LloreanSome formats Rockbox supports don't have any native tagging at all that could hold album art (WAV for example)
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04:31:01LloreanSo, you have to pre-convert them to .bmps before using it
04:31:20Lloreanwebguest02: What's in the folder?
04:32:01LloreanThe GBSYSTEM folder exists, and in it the FWIMG folder?
04:32:21DraXLlorean: just because some formats don't support it doesn't mena it shouldn't be supported for the ones that do..
04:32:36webguest02this is what i have typed in my adress bar F:\GBSYSTEM\FWIMG and there is nothing in there at all
04:32:49LloreanDraX: Addint multiple methods of doing it bloats the core, if there's on general method that will work for all of them.
04:33:01webguest02is the FWIMG folder supposed to be empty?
04:33:01LloreanPlus, this method means that you don't need to have multiple copies of the art, one per file.
04:33:15Lloreanwebguest02: Are you sure you have it set to show hidden AND system files?
04:33:28webguest02how do i do that
04:33:40DraXLlorean: y'all should take a look at
04:33:49DraXLlorean: you could implement one img per album that way
04:34:11LloreanDraX: You should direct the person who wrote the patch to it. It's not part of CVS yet, and wasn't made by a core developer.
04:34:40LloreanDraX: But how is that better than the current method, and does it address all the concerns I listed?
04:35:32d47webguest02: view>folder options, i beleive, im not sure as i use linux
04:35:33DraXLlorean: it addresses extractability in some ways
04:35:37LloreanNot to mention Fat32 isn't really good about symbolic links.
04:35:44LloreanDraX: That doesn't answer my question...
04:35:53DraXLlorean: no it doesn't address all the issues you gave
04:35:56DraXLlorean: it addresses a few
04:36:04DraXLlorean: but it's a working draft
04:36:42LloreanSo, basically, we should give up a system that works for one that doesn't and requires additional overhead (never good on a portable device)?
04:36:58LloreanI'm not trying to sound overly critical, but I'm missing the argument for this feature entirely.
04:37:12linuxstbDraX: The main reason for .bmp files is efficiency. Remember we're dealing with hardware with limited capabilities, and we want to do everything possible to maximise battery life.
04:37:21LloreanRockbox, being a player for embedded devices, needs a system for cover art that requires a minimum of code to use.
04:37:37Llorean.bmp files don't require decompressing, and can be used globally with any supported audio format.
04:37:51linuxstbDecoding a 500x500 jpeg image and then resizing down to the typical 75x75 isn't a good use of CPU time...
04:40:07LloreanI kinda like how the current system goes from song-specific to album-specific to (I think) folder-specific in the case of missing art.
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04:42:07Lloreanlinuxstb: Is there a default plugin thread, or if they need their own thread do they have to create their own?
04:42:26linuxstbplugins run in the main thread.
04:42:45linuxstbSo whilst they're running, they _are_ the main thread.
04:43:23LloreanAnd due to the nature of the gameboy emulator (does its own rendering, etc) I doubt there's any way multicore could really help performance for it, then?
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04:43:54linuxstbI'm sure it could help. It's emulating hardware, so some hardware could be emulated on the COP.
04:44:11linuxstbe.g. video rendering.
04:44:32LloreanOr perhaps move the main CPU emulation on its own to the COP?
04:44:41LloreanI assume that's where the most time is spent, like the codec thread.
04:45:04linuxstbYou would probably be surprised.
04:45:51LloreanApparently I would be.
04:46:12linuxstbI remember when optimising pacbox, the CPU emulation wasn't worth looking at. I got major improvements just with the video rendering.
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04:46:52LloreanThe only time I've used the Gameboy emulator was trying to show it to a friend, and apparently it was during a period where you couldn't quit the H100 version.
04:46:56LloreanI had to take a toothpick to it.
04:47:32linuxstbAn easy test is simply to disable the display, and see how fast it goes.
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04:58:02BiptoNlinuxstb: in system.h under ARM area the line CPUFREQ_DEFAULT_MULT 8 then #define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 24000000
04:58:16BiptoNthat multiplier is 3 right?
04:58:45BiptoNi saw the pp5020 doc said the cpus' min freq is 32 and it's high is 75mhz
04:59:11BiptoNcan you change it to a multiplier by 4 and range from the high and low
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04:59:31BiptoNi'm just thinkin of the scalin bug, these 4g's have
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05:19:12hen3rzis anyone here???????????///
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05:21:19hen3rzso who here has a gigabeat?
05:21:50LloreanDid you have a specific question?
05:21:57rkostynui do hen
05:22:08hen3rzim a new user
05:22:16hen3rzrockbox owns the old firmware
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05:26:02hen3rzdoes the current cvs for the gigabeat allow video playback?
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05:26:58Mouser_XThough, it's not stable, and it only plays as much video as it can get into RAM.
05:27:07Mouser_XThere's no rebuffering.
05:27:13hen3rzi see
05:27:13funkychicken818Hey is rockbox available for the Gigabeat S30
05:27:19hen3rzi dont think so
05:27:25Mouser_Xfunkychicken818: No, it's not.
05:27:28hen3rzjust F and X
05:27:34Mouser_XS Series is not supported.
05:28:09hen3rzwhat video format does rockbox play
05:28:33funkychicken818does any one know what i should use to beable to manage my music on a Linux ?
05:29:31Mouser_Xhen3rz: MPG, MPEG 1, 2, MP3 audio, at 44khz.
05:29:43Mouser_XMeaning, MPG is the "container."
05:29:57hen3rzthank you
05:30:01Mouser_XI'm sure there's documentation somewhere.
05:30:18Mouser_XAlso, it needs to be encoded at the resolution that you'll be watching the videos at.
05:30:33Mouser_XThere's no scaling in Rockbox.
05:30:39funkychicken818but my gigabeat doesn't show up on my linux fedora
05:30:47funkychicken818what can i use?
05:30:59hen3rznot sure
05:31:26hen3rzmouser is there like a test video i can download that has those specs?
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05:32:05Mouser_Xhen3rz: Yes there is. It's with the documentation.
05:32:32hen3rzsweet thank you
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05:32:34rkostynuhen there were some sample files on the site to use to test,
05:33:09rkostynuif you look through the logs gigabeat IRC logs there were conversation about VLC for creating video
05:33:24hen3rzsweeeeeeet thanks heaps
05:33:41rkostynuthe forums in with guys from here have some hints and info
05:33:57BiptoNare you on linux or windows hen3rz?
05:33:58rkostynui beleive the software forum, rockbox thread should be top of the list
05:34:50rkostynui created mpeg2, 44.1khz, 320x240 video and it worked, frame skip setting and it seemed to sync audio and video really good
05:35:09hen3rzis this on a gigabeat?
05:35:11BiptoNyou can try mediacoder also
05:35:27rkostynuvideo lasted about 2 or 3 mins, ( before buffer ran out)
05:35:35hen3rzi seeeeeeee
05:35:40hen3rzthis is awesome
05:35:43rkostynuquality was really nice because of the 262K colors
05:36:21hen3rzmmm gigabeats are emnt to have one of the nicest screens
05:36:47KCCwhere is markun at these days?
05:38:46hen3rzis the battery meter accurate on the gigabeat?
05:40:07Mouser_XKCC: Markun is in France. I think he's recently moved.
05:40:42Mouser_Xhen3rz: The battery indicator isn't very accurate, due to innaccurate methods used to detect the amount of battery life left.
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05:41:12Mouser_XMeaning, from what I understand, even the original firmware doesn't detect battery strength very reliably.
05:41:23hen3rzlol ok
05:41:38Mouser_XIt's a hardware limitation, according to my understanding (I could be wrong, I'm not a developer).
05:41:44hen3rzyeah it didnt, it played for 2 hours with 0 battery once
05:42:00hen3rzon the old firmware ^^
05:42:29Mouser_XIdeally, Rockbox will last longer than the original firmware did.
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05:42:57Mouser_XRight now, you can expect at least 10 hours, most likely more, when you don't use the EQ.
05:43:18Mouser_XWhen using the EQ, it's quite a bit less...
05:43:21hen3rzwhy doesnt rockbox turn of the screen after a set time? all mine does is turn of the back light
05:43:23Mouser_XOr so I'm told.
05:43:30LloreanMouser_X: Like, 10% less, or like, 50% less?
05:43:49Mouser_XFrom what I was told, closer to 50%.
05:43:56Mouser_XI could be mistaken.
05:44:00Lloreanhen3rz: On many players the screen is perfectly readable without the backlight on, and that way there's no need to light up the backlight to read song title.
05:44:26Mouser_Xhen3rz: They're working on the backlight still.
05:44:28LloreanMouser_X: It really shouldn't be close to that much. That would mean the CPU on the Gigabeat is a rather ridiculous drain.
05:44:43Mouser_XLike I said, I could be mistaken.
05:44:57LloreanThe EQ is CPU instensive, but it shouldn't be that much.
05:44:59Mouser_XIt also might have been an older build that they were using, when they gave me that time.
05:45:24LloreanWell, I guess it depends, whether they're boosting the CPU, and what values between, etc.
05:45:47Mouser_XSomeone said that, with the EQ, they got about 5 hours of playtime.
05:46:00Mouser_XI can check the logs, it was one of the first questions I asked.
05:47:21LloreanWell, as I said, it depends on a lot of things.
05:47:36Mouser_XI have no doubt it does.
05:47:42rkostynut run crossfade, eq, backlight 5s, and i got 13 hours out of my yearold F10, normal under Toshiba was 12 hours, so its the same if not slightly better as far as battery life
05:48:40LloreanWhat we need is a to go alongside
05:49:29hen3rzim willing to participate
05:50:08LloreanJust so there's a bit of reference for people to see.
05:50:25LloreanThere's a suggested procedure here:
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05:50:38Mouser_X[18:08] <perldiver> Mouser_X
05:50:39Mouser_X[18:08] <perldiver> with full EQ on around 4h
05:50:39Mouser_X[18:08] <Mouser_X> 8-10 hours of standard use?
05:50:41Mouser_X[18:08] <Mouser_X> No EQ
05:50:43Mouser_X[18:08] <perldiver> no EQ around 12 hours for me
05:50:50Mouser_XIt's very possible that has changed, of course.
05:51:58hen3rzLlorean: ill definatley give that a go once i get over fiddling with rockbox
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05:56:44lavidso, who is this mrh? I'd like to ask him about how he did the Sansa e2x0 LCD driver so I can figure out why my display is jumbled at the top. Additionally, is there a commented original bootloader somewhere? If someone has stuff documented, I'd like to see it so I don't have to redocument everything.
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05:58:35Lloreanlavid: What do you mean by 'original bootloader'? If you're referring to the Sandisk one, no, I don't believe there is.
05:59:23lavidI thought that the bootloader was decrypted... wasn't that what the beginning of the forum thread was all about?
05:59:38LloreanDecrypted doesn't mean it's been reverse engineered.
05:59:50LloreanIt just means we've stripped the encryption from the file.
05:59:58lavidyeah, decrypted and then commented
06:00:42LloreanI don't recall it being commented.
06:01:32lavidwell, how the heck does one reverse engineer this stuff?
06:01:42LloreanThe decryption was primarily so that we could load it ourselves for dual boot, and so we could figure out how to encrypt our own images for their flash bootloader to load.
06:01:57*lavid bangs head against virtual desk
06:02:54LloreanDo you speak arm assembly?
06:03:13lavidI speak assembly, and I'm learning arm
06:03:32lavidI'm used to x86
06:04:19LloreanWell, if you want to analyze the original firmware, you'd need a decrypted copy of it, and a tool like objdump or something commercial and better.
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06:05:03lavidWhat fancy features does the commercial disassembler do? I've disassembled the OF already
06:05:30lavidI just want to know if people have figured out where the images are stored so I don't look at that and thing it's instructions
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06:06:45LloreanWell, if you found mention of a commented one on the thread, your best bet is to contact whoever mentioned it.
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06:07:22lavidand... who is this MrH? He seems to be referenced in all the source files
06:07:42LloreanMr H is a figure of great mystery.
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06:08:03LloreanHe seems to be off on his own, doing his own thing, and occasionally sending us documentation he's written containing theories or discoveries he's made.
06:10:05LloreanReally, as far as I'm aware he's never showed up in the IRC channel or anything.
06:11:41lavidso basically I should start from scratch
06:12:09lavidwith the OF that is
06:12:19lavidunless I can get a precommented copy
06:13:44LloreanAs far as I'm aware, but I'm not an authority on this
06:15:42hen3rzfor video playback on the gigabeat is the audio ment to be out of sync
06:15:56LloreanDo you have frameskip and frame limit enabled?
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06:17:02hen3rzno i did not
06:17:17LloreanTry making sure both of those are enabled.
06:17:19hen3rznow its sall good
06:17:22hen3rzcheers dude
06:17:33hen3rzhow do u turn up the volume?
06:17:57hen3rzis it ment to be the same buttons as audio playback?
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06:20:36Lloreanhen3rz: I don't believe you can adjust the volume from inside mpegplayer yet.
06:20:45hen3rzoh ok
06:20:49hen3rzdude this is sweet
06:21:30hen3rzis there an estimated time for when it will be fully complete?
06:21:42LloreanThere aren't estimated times for anything.
06:21:51Mouser_XI'd say, roughly, within the next 20 years.
06:22:03Mouser_XGive or take a few decades.
06:22:09hen3rzlol serious mouser? is development that slow?
06:22:29Mouser_XNo, but if it's not out by then, it won't be, most likely.
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06:22:56Mouser_XThat's my way of saying "It's ready when it's ready."
06:23:08hen3rzi see
06:23:08Lloreanhen3rz: Rockbox is an Audio playing Firmware. Video is always a secondary concern.
06:23:17hen3rzi see
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06:23:25LloreanWhen someone insterested gets around to patching it up, it'll get better.
06:23:41hen3rzeh either way im not concerned. the old toshiba firmware could play movies
06:23:54Mouser_XSame thing applies when someone is standing in the next room, and I'm asked "Where's so-and-so?" and I replay "Within 10 miles of here, I'm sure of it."
06:24:57Mouser_XSee, even if 100% complete and perfect video playback was released tomarrow, that's still within 20 years, so I'd be correct.
06:25:45LloreanMy guess is that you'll see rebuffering, and volume adjustment, within the next two months.
06:25:47LloreanAnd *maybe* seeking.
06:26:43Mouser_XOooh! Seeking!
06:26:53Mouser_XWho'd want that though?
06:26:57LloreanI don't know how much work seeking would be to implement.
06:27:02LloreanBut people seem to be heavy on the requesting of it.
06:27:29LloreanSo my guess is that once rebuffering works, someone other than the person working on video will end up posting a seeking patch.
06:27:30Mouser_XWhat's the point of seeking, when you get, at most, 5 minutes of video?
06:27:37LloreanMouser_X: "rebuffering"
06:27:52Mouser_XWell, after rebuffering is done, yah, I can see a need then.
06:27:58Mouser_XBut not right now.
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06:28:12LloreanYes, but notice I said I expected rebuffering, volume control, and *maybe* seeking in that time period.
06:28:25LloreanRebuffering used to work when video didn't have audio.
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06:28:56LloreanI'm not sure if it's become more complex, or if it was just disabled for some testing purpose, but I expect it to show up within say, 3 major updates of mpegplayer.
06:29:08LloreanAgain though, I'm just making up these predictions as I go along.
06:29:14Mouser_X(Also note, there was mild sarcasm in some of my statements. Kind of hard to relay that, sometimes.)
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06:30:10LloreanI really don't have any choice but to take things literally in most cases, because if I guess in favour of implied meaning and I'm wrong, I get a "Why didn't you just read what I said". :) At least when I go with what the words mean, I have solid ground beneath me.
06:30:58hen3rzso deoes this mean that rebuffering doesnt work for any port of rock box or just the gigabeat port?
06:31:50hen3rzi see
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06:35:21*Mouser_X is working on a Winamp Classic styled WPS for Gigabeats.
06:35:32Mouser_XI'm working on the graphical aspect first.
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06:35:48Mouser_XCutting and pasting...
06:35:56LloreanI never quite understood why people wanted media players to look like their existing ones.
06:36:07Mouser_XIt's more work than I expected.
06:36:32Mouser_XWell, once I get a "Default" Winamp look, I'll probably port other skins I like more.
06:36:51Mouser_X(I never use the default skin)
06:38:47hen3rzi made my own wps
06:38:59hen3rzits a really clean simple look
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06:40:09hen3rzhow do u take a screen dump?
06:41:02hen3rzwait i wokred it out
06:41:16Mouser_XSo, how do I exit plugins on the iPod? (I'm using the simulator... I didn't expect to run into that problem..)_
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06:41:35Mouser_XI figured it out.
06:41:44Mouser_XMemory FTW...
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06:43:09AllyndellHi, ive got a quick question. I have a 30g G5 ipod with rockbox on it. I want to put the new bootloaders on it. When i redo the installation will it erase my ipod? or just overight the partition with the bootloader on it? (its been a while and i cant remember if it does or not)
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06:43:29scorchejust the bootloader
06:43:43AllyndellHi, ive got a quick question. I have a 30g G5 ipod with rockbox on it. I want to put the new bootloaders on it. When i redo the installation will it erase my ipod? or just overight the partition with the bootloader on it? (its been a while and i cant remember if it does or not)
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06:45:27webguest15will installing a new bootloader erase my ipod? i have rockbox but i want to update the bootloader
06:45:45Lloreanwebguest15: No.
06:45:50LloreanAs long as you follow the directions.
06:46:09LloreanIt will only erase your iPod if you do it wrong, or have to restore.
06:46:16LloreanJust like the original installation.
06:46:18webguest15Which directions? can i use the ones here
06:46:32LloreanI suggest the ones in the manual.
06:47:11LloreanJust make sure to use the ipodpatcher from here:
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06:47:37webguest15what about this
06:48:16LloreanYes, that will work. But do you just have something against the manual?
06:48:48webguest15besides the fact that im on windows atm... no
06:48:58LloreanWhat does being on windows have to do with anything?
06:49:16webguest15nvm i thought you said doing it manually
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06:56:26webguest15does the regular bootloader have coprocessor support?
06:56:42LloreanThe official bootloader works with coprocessor builds.
06:58:09webguest15ok thanx
06:59:30LloreanIt has to be the newest version though
06:59:36LloreanIt'll have a black backdrop with white text.
07:01:10Mouser_XI'm liking some of these plugins, just for kicks.
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07:01:14hen3rzhey 27fps is pretty good for 320x240
07:01:27Mouser_XStarfield is nice.
07:01:27hen3rzisnt it?
07:02:17hen3rzomg mouser
07:02:23hen3rzi never knew they existed
07:02:25hen3rzbrick mania
07:02:26hen3rzgood game
07:02:53Mouser_XThe simulator build I'm running doesn't seem to have any plugins for the Gigabeat.
07:03:10hen3rztry the latest
07:03:16hen3rzim playing it on mine now
07:03:46Mouser_XI'm using the iPod simulator (I wanted to get an idea of what the Winamp Classic styled WPS looked like, and how it functioned).
07:03:58Mouser_XI think you misunderstand what the simulator is.
07:04:05Mouser_XI'm running Rockbox on my PC.
07:04:09hen3rzthe windows thing
07:04:28Mouser_XWell, I don't know of any versions more recent than the one I got.
07:04:39hen3rzi see
07:04:55LloreanIt's very possible rasher stripped the plugins so the download was smaller, or something
07:04:57d47have u used the gameboy plugin xD i got pokemon rofl
07:05:06Mouser_XAh, it's working now...
07:05:16Mouser_XIt didn't load the plugins last time I tried it.
07:05:21hen3rzd47 does that work for gigabeat?
07:05:31d47yes its on my gigabeat
07:05:39hen3rzwats it called?
07:05:54d47just download the .rom file and open it like a song
07:06:12Mouser_XI'll have to try that...
07:06:17d47the plugin is in the cvs, so if u use the cvs you should have it
07:06:42d47its great =) im up to the ss anne
07:06:56hen3rzhahah thats awesome
07:07:04hen3rzwhats the battery like when playing games?
07:07:17d47its great i was playing all night
07:07:44d47its not colour though
07:07:57d47fps is like 50-80
07:07:57hen3rzuhh well still that sounds awesome
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07:11:58webguest33what does this mean? [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting
07:13:06LloreanIt means exactly what it says...
07:13:47LloreanYou're running ipodpatcher on an iPod that already has some sort of bootloader, I assume.
07:14:38webguest33ya i think so... im getting a folder icon when i boot my ipod up so im trying to restore my backup but it wont let me
07:15:44LloreanOh, so you screwed up an install?
07:16:13LloreanWhat lined did you use that caused you to get your iPod to that state?
07:16:21webguest33idk i just get a sad folder and i cant write a bootloader
07:16:35LloreanYou don't know what the last line you typed was before it stopped working?
07:18:47LloreanWell, I can't really help you further, and doesn't seem to be responding so I can't point you at an older version of ipodpatcher without the safety check
07:21:17Mouser_XDoes Rockboy have sound? If it does, the simulator doesn't seem to be outputting it (I'm getting complete silence).
07:21:37Mouser_XOf course, being the simulator, it might just simply not work quite right.
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07:21:51LloreanSound in the simulator is incredibly unreliable and often broken
07:22:39OverandLlorean: webguest33 could have used meergency disk mode and an old 'ipodupdater' right?
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07:23:19Mouser_XIt's nice to know that there's GBC code in Rockbox. I say this, becausee it might mean that GBS files can be supported (That's GB/C music rips, like NSFs).
07:23:52webguest01is there a way to force write the boot partition.bin ?
07:25:00scorcheNSFs are supported
07:25:08Overandat least in an unofficial firmware
07:25:45OverandI'm actually running that version, one of the guys here put it up, but I can't remember his nick
07:25:46LloreanOverand: That would wipe the contents of his iPod. Using ipodpatcher is much less destructive
07:26:20Lloreanwebguest01: You can use an older iPodpatcher. I still want to know what the last line was before your iPod stopped working.
07:27:08Mouser_Xscorche: I know NSFs are supported. HCS wrote the patch for it.
07:27:31webguest01I accidentally did ipodpatcher 1 -w bootloader.bin
07:28:06*Mouser_X knows HCS from "elsewhere."
07:28:24Lloreanwebguest01: The current install instructions don't even include a file named bootloader.bin (or anything .bin) on a -w line. In fact they don't include a -w.
07:28:50LloreanBut you'll need to use an older version of ipodpatcher to -w a bootpartition.bin back now that you've messed i up
07:28:51Lloreanit up
07:29:01LloreanOne is available at
07:29:10webguest01ok thanx
07:29:31LloreanThat one will probably work, if not extract one of the ipodpatcher zips from the folder it's in on the server.
07:29:54LloreanAnd please, be careful when reading the instructions. If your player weren't an iPod, you could've permanently disabled it.
07:31:56webguest01yeah i got confused with the .bin and the new .ipod
07:32:08webguest01Thanx alot
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07:35:29Mouser_XIf the controls weren't so confusing, I think Rockboy would be really cool.
07:35:41Mouser_XAs it stands now, it's just pretty cool.
07:36:12Mouser_XOf course, I'm using the simulator. I would expect actual hardware to be a little better.
07:36:22Llorean's pretty bad on the iPods at least.
07:36:25KCCdoes rockboy allow saves?
07:36:33KCCand loading those saves/
07:36:48LloreanOne day I'll code an emulator that lets you save, but not load the saves. :-P
07:36:50Mouser_X6 saves for each game, it looks like.
07:37:06KCCthanks llorean! theres a guy who understands supply and demand, right there
07:37:24Mouser_XYes, I was thinking "Uh... Why allow saves, if you can't load them?"
07:37:27LloreanTo load them you'll need special "load tickets" which cost 2 cents per.
07:37:51Mouser_XSounds like Breath of Fire V:Dragon Quarter
07:37:51KCChahaa DRM on gameboy saves?!
07:38:12Mouser_XBoFV had a fairly broken save system.
07:38:35Mouser_XIt's an amazing game that, for me, wouldn't let go, but it's terribly painful to play it.
07:38:50KCChow so?
07:38:58Mouser_XThe save system is broken.
07:39:09Mouser_XAnd, the play mechanics aren't any better.
07:39:21KCCthis is with rockboy?
07:39:23Mouser_XTo finish the game, you're forced to restart.
07:39:30Mouser_XBoFV is a PS2 game.
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07:39:53Mouser_XGood luck running that on a portable player...
07:40:16Mouser_XWhich is off topic. Sorry.
07:45:13KCCive heard rumours of SNES games on the gigabeat?
07:45:19KCCat least theoretically?
07:45:47Mouser_XI suppose it's within reason.
07:45:58Mouser_XZSNES ran pretty good on my 200 mhz PC.
07:46:12Mouser_XThough, that uses some assembly.
07:46:36Mouser_XSNES9x would have better luck at getting ported, since it uses less assembly.
07:47:13scorchea zsnes dev was working with us a bit ago
07:47:18scorchenot on that though
07:47:26Mouser_XPagefault wrote a SPC player for Rockbox.
07:47:46Mouser_XHe said he submitted it to the flyspray, but it seems to have been lost when the servers were down.
07:48:17Mouser_XHCS is looking into writing his own, now, out of impatience...
07:48:45Mouser_XAnd, I'm all for that... I want SPCs on my Gigabeat! :D
07:49:40KCCwow, SPC's!
07:49:50KCCthose things always amazed me
07:49:57KCCa handful of kb's gives you a full song
07:50:10Mouser_X65k, and the song can still be 20 min. long.
07:50:25Mouser_X65k, and it might only be 1 sec. long...
07:50:32KCCload up some Chrono Trigger SPC's and im a happy camper
07:50:38Mouser_XSame here.
07:51:02Mouser_XThat's what got me started on video game music collecting...
07:51:07KCCI wonder, how many SPC's could one fit on a 40gb Gigabeat?
07:51:17KCCsomething ridiculous
07:51:18Mouser_XI think all of them...
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07:51:23Mouser_XI'm not sure though.
07:51:41Mouser_XAt least, most, if not all, of the ones at
07:51:49gotthardtyo - gigabeat users... Mouser_X and ? wanna grab the latest cvs?
07:51:59Mouser_XI don't have a Gigabeat yet...
07:52:05Mouser_XIt's coming in the mail.
07:52:05KCCme niether...
07:52:20d47whats in the latest cvs?
07:52:23gotthardtbutton lights
07:52:27gotthardtand fade to off
07:52:28d47o rly
07:52:34d47ill do that now
07:52:49gotthardtyou have to use the debug menu to set and test for now
07:53:01KCC"Revamped the backlight state machine and added buttonlight controls. Go to the Info/debug menu and test out the new modes for buttonlights on the Gigabeat - ON, OFF, Faint, and flicker - flickers on touchpad and disk reads."
07:53:05Mouser_XAll I have is the simulator builds of Rockbox for the iPod and Gigabeat...
07:53:06gotthardti am holding off on doing real settings cuz it can be a mess...
07:53:14KCCthanks gotthardt!
07:53:19gotthardtand i want to get more input
07:53:23gotthardtyour welcome
07:53:33d47flicker FTW
07:53:51gotthardtdisc access flickers
07:54:00d47sounds great!
07:54:03Mouser_XI really should actually read the whole manual for Gigabeat...
07:54:08gotthardtpressing touchpad flickers
07:54:22KCCdoes this include the LED's on the side?
07:54:26gotthardtcan change from just menu/power led to all leds at a time
07:54:28Mouser_XThere's tons of stuff I don't know... Like, how to actually stop a song, or how to turn the Gigabeat completely off.
07:54:44gotthardtthe side leds - they light up the clear buttons blue
07:55:13*Mouser_X has just been pushing the "X" in the upper right hand corner of the simulator.
07:55:16KCChmm, there was a patch for that before... does this latest CVS render that patch redundant?
07:55:22Mouser_XSomehow, I doubt that will work on the actual hardware.
07:55:38KCChahaa mee too mouser, unless ur really good at coding
07:57:48KCCwhat exactly is flyspray?
07:57:59LloreanIt's the patch tracker
07:58:04LloreanAnd bug / feature request tracker
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07:59:56KCCwhats the next big thing for the gigabeat?
08:00:13KCCany works in progress?
08:00:43LloreanThat's really all there is for specific players: Stability, and making bits of hardware work.
08:00:54gotthardtbattery usage meter is funky
08:00:59LloreanRockbox is mostly one big piece of software, so anything like Video, or a new plugin, is generally aimed at the software as a whole.
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08:01:54KCCif such was the case, anything the iPod can do the Gigabeat can also do, right?
08:02:00KCCwhich is incorrect as far as i can tell?
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08:02:16LloreanWhat do you mean?
08:02:27KCCi'll show you
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08:02:47Mouser_X"Anything you can do, I can do better."
08:02:51T7PIs anyone here?
08:02:59KCC ... gigabeat cant do most of these things
08:03:00Mouser_XWe're all gone.
08:03:00d47_i just built and installed the cvs, and the button lights are working great
08:03:02LloreanCan't you just tell me with a short sentence such as "X works on iPod but not on Gigabeat?"
08:03:13LloreanKCC: Yes, because the Gigabeat has a different sized screen, and nobody's adapted them yet.
08:03:25KCCahh I see
08:03:31LloreanThey should all work fine for it from a software perspective, but they still need to know which buttons should do what, and how big the screen is.
08:04:00KCCcouldnt you just port the information for screen size directly from the 5g ipod code?
08:04:11LloreanFeel free to do it.
08:04:25LloreanBut you'll notice one screen is 4:3 and the other is 3:4, so you need to rotate the rendering.
08:04:32gotthardtKCC is the ipod 320x240 or 240x320?
08:04:40Lloreangotthardt: The iPod is 320x240.
08:05:16KCCohh my coding skills are limited at best... im afraid all I can do is highschool level VB coding
08:05:18KCCpretty sad
08:05:19LloreanKCC: Plus, someone has to actually go and do it. I notice you're not writing new keymaps, and most of the core developers are busy trying to get the bootloader working better, and everything more stable.
08:05:52LloreanKeymaps are pretty easy to do, actually. Look at a working plugin, and just copy that chunk into a nonworking one, and edit it to be similar to a working chunk for that plugin.
08:05:57KCCand I appreciate that 100%
08:06:10LloreanThe 4:3 to 3:4 conversion is more difficult
08:06:30KCCI can imagine
08:06:49LloreanThough for many of the plugins the image could just use the 220x176 of the iPod Photo if people didn't mind a non full screen.
08:06:51T7PI'm using a Gigabeat F40 and attempting to install Doom... I have "rockdoom.wad", "doom1.wad", and "doom2.wad" in /games/doom. When I go to the folder through the RockBox browser on the player itself, it doesn't show the files unless I change the settings to show "Unsupported Files"
08:07:04LloreanT7P: You don't run doom by going to the folder.
08:07:17LloreanT7P: You run doom by way of browse plugins.
08:07:25T7PI've also searched thtough the plug-ins list and it isn't listed
08:07:31LloreanThen it's not compiled for your target.
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08:08:38d47_i was under the impression that doom hasnt been implemented for the gigabeat, itl be supported soon
08:08:45KCCno Doom yet for Gigabeat?
08:09:01T7PHmmm... Then I'm going to have to do more research. I just installed RockBox last night; I have no clue what I'm doing. =P Thanks, though. Any chance you can point me in the right direction?
08:09:13d47_you can see what plugins are supported on the plugins page in the wiki
08:09:32d47_so you installed rockbox on your player?
08:09:43KCCthats for you T7P
08:09:56d47_id start with finding a theme you like ^^ then get used to the settings and controls
08:10:03LloreanT7P: You might also be interested in a little something we like to call "The Manual"
08:10:15d47_omg lol
08:10:18T7PYeah, I've been looking through the manual
08:10:45T7PBelieve it or not, I can't read an entire manual in less than 24 hours, but thanks for having that kind of faith in me
08:11:28d47_=) amusing
08:11:36LloreanIt's 111 pages, if you can't read that in 24 hours, I hope English isn't your native language.
08:11:49Llorean5 pages an hour is a bit on the slow side.
08:12:31LloreanAnyway, the main point was that it'll answer many of your questions, and should be where you search when you come up with things to ask.
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08:12:51d47_i still need to have the activation code for the wiki re-sent to my email, if any1 knows how?
08:13:11T7PI looked through the plug-ins section and, more specifically, the part about Doom, and couldn't find my answer, so I came here
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08:13:28midkayd47_: what's your wiki name?
08:13:32d47_well theres no tick for the doom plugin under the gigabeat heading
08:13:47gotthardtThe plugin page is out of date for the Gigabeat - how do I update it (I have edit access, but edit doesnt get me to the arrows)
08:13:58DogBoyis there a way to boot into apple firmware after installing rockbox
08:14:08amiconngoffa: YOu need to edit the PluginDoom page
08:14:24amiconnThe table in the plugin page is built dynamically from that
08:14:27midkaygotthardt: each plugin page needs to be updated..
08:14:37gotthardtill take a look
08:15:15amiconnIt might also be that the plugin page just needs a refresh (it used not to, but some wiki update introduced caching)
08:15:57goffaah... you probably meant gotthardt
08:16:11goffaso.. where's the menu for led?
08:16:22gotthardthey go to info and then debug
08:16:30gotthardtno official settings yet
08:16:44d47_yeh i got the leds on btw, there working great, thx
08:17:14gotthardtdid you see the change for all leds or just the menu/power
08:17:34gotthardti forgot to state in the cvs log
08:17:39amiconngoffa: sorry
08:19:14d47_yeh all leds are lit, if thats what u mean
08:19:27goffastill not seeing those led settings... wondering if i got my updated build on there
08:19:40d47_have you found the info menu?
08:19:49gotthardtand can change to just the menu/power
08:20:15goffainfo menu is at the bottom of the main menu
08:20:32gotthardtthen debug inside of that one
08:20:39goffayeah.. went in there
08:20:47gotthardtbutton light settings
08:20:50goffathat's why i'm wondering
08:20:58goffayeah... must not have the new build on
08:21:29goffagigabeat is touchy if you don't unmount before unplugging
08:22:06KCCthats a life truth right there
08:22:07goffayeah... that was the prob
08:22:13KCCnot only with gigabeats, but with the opposite sex
08:23:23KCCno eh
08:23:25KCCI tried
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08:24:05d47_ive found a small problem, ive noticed with all my themes that there is a small (1 px) indent where the progress bar is, has this been noted?
08:24:09goffaflicker mode is a nice touch
08:24:50goffad47_: yes
08:25:13d47_goffa: ok, just thought i make sure
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08:25:57mkis5anyone alive?
08:26:14goffapretty active in here tonight actually
08:26:15scorcheamiconn: do you know if there a way to get a traditional line out on
08:26:16d47_last time i checked
08:26:33scorchedo you knwo if there is a way to get a traditional line out on a v1?
08:26:41mkis5hey im trying to install the rockbox on my 5g ipod i believe i need the ipodpatcher file but i can't download it from the site
08:27:12d47_oh is it down?
08:27:18*goffa wanders off to listen to his gigabeat/sleep
08:27:52amiconnscorche: huh? The v1 has no line out. Just set volume = treble = bass = loudness = 0 dB, balance = 0, MDB = off
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08:28:03amiconn..and use the phones socket
08:28:30RedZZRgotthardt: Nice one with the new backlight code...
08:28:47gotthardtcan you see why i wanted you to wait?
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08:28:56scorchei know it doesnt, but i was looking to possibly build a dedicated one...but i guess the headphone will do
08:29:02RedZZRone extra suggestion - have the buttons Fade with the backlight
08:29:30gotthardtthat can be done - but i dont want to make that many i2c calls in an interrupt
08:29:38gotthardtit would have to be 3 per int
08:30:01gotthardtfor A, B and C led pairs
08:30:11mkis5so is there anyway i can get the ipodpatcher file being that the file is down on the site?
08:30:18RedZZRtrue, could you lower the buttons once the fade was complete
08:30:24d47_we'll ill just smile and nod gottardt
08:30:31gotthardtthat can be done -
08:30:57gotthardtRedZZR knows what i am talking about... hes a coder
08:31:02RedZZRso the final result would be faded or off as per the LCD
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08:31:15*amiconn wonders how he could remove some plugins from PluginIndex
08:31:22d47_i am somewhat, but mostly web dev
08:31:29gotthardtyes - it could watch for the change and then match it
08:31:33RedZZRonly been coding for 20+ Years... :(
08:31:46d47_heh im not even that old rofl
08:31:52gotthardtheh - im long in the tooth too
08:32:28RedZZRThe Old Guard of programming... :)
08:32:46amiconnI guess I need to remove the CategoryPlugin line on the individual plugin pages
08:32:58amiconngotthardt: i2c in an isr is nasty...
08:33:20gotthardtyes - i know - but its a fast one and doesnt block
08:33:22amiconn(though on the H300 and X5 we need to do that)
08:33:22mkis5dag no ideas on how i could find this file?
08:33:36RedZZRI've get the dock buttons workings - simple read of the GPFDAT (but the bits are inverted)
08:33:36gotthardtall other i2c access to same place are in same thread and are serialized
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08:34:26RedZZRi've mapped them to Sync = SELECT and Rip = BUTTON_A
08:35:19RedZZRif you remap the POWER button to A in the keymap it make browsing whilst docked and playing much easier
08:35:59scorcheamiconn: but that would still go through the headphone amp, which would defeat the purpose of a "line-out" correct?
08:36:03gotthardtim not to familiare with keymaping, but can there be a 'docked' keymap?
08:36:34gotthardtand can we sense that we are docked?
08:36:36RedZZRnot at the moment I don't think, also not sure if we can detect docked or powered
08:36:49RedZZRor tell the diff anyway
08:38:17RedZZRI noticed on the block diagram that there is a 2kbit I2c EEPROM on the dock
08:39:10gotthardtyes - what shall we do with that - is that info for the USB hub?
08:39:13RedZZRI could be a way of telling if docked and also restore the prev playlist and track etc... maybe..
08:39:33RedZZRI think the USB one has another 4Kbit one.. as well
08:40:04RedZZRthere seems to be an extra 2kbit one sat on its own just on the I2c
08:40:27RedZZRnot sure how we find the address of it
08:40:44gotthardthmm only a few addresss for i2c eeprom devices
08:40:50amiconngotthardt: Keymaps can be changed dynamically (at least for core features which use the action code)
08:41:19gotthardtamiconn: thanks! that would be cool - remap when docked
08:41:19amiconnThat was one goal of the action code - the irivers can use 3 types of remote controls with different button layouts
08:41:20RedZZRamiconn: cool, thats handy to know
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08:42:17amiconnCheck keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c for an example how this can be done
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08:42:35RedZZRthanks, I'll take a look at that
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08:43:23d47_midkay: are you there? i didnt realize that my msg failed until now, my wikiname is DylanM, if you could activate that thx.
08:43:32amiconngotthardt: You're editing PlugBatteryTest?
08:43:45amiconnThis plugin is outdated an no longer included in builds
08:44:03gotthardti dont think i did?
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08:44:48amiconnSteveGotthardt is editing PluginBatteryTest.
08:45:18gotthardti dont know how - i have edited some of the others as we type
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08:46:06gotthardtOh - I opened to get the way to show that Gigabeat gets a check - but I didnt save it
08:46:14amiconnAh ok
08:46:26gotthardtso - yes i did open for edit - sorry
08:46:59Mouser_XHeh. If you zoom out on the plasma one far enough, it actually looks pretty neat.
08:47:02gotthardtbut just to get way to indicate Gigabeat was done - then i have been copying to other plugins that are done
08:47:08Mouser_XI'm at least 100 times out...
08:48:55Mouser_XIf you zoom out far enough, it eventually "loops" back...
08:49:11d47_oh wow ur right, it looks good
08:49:18RedZZRgotthardt: could we also have an option for the led's to flicker only on disc reads - I like that but would prefer they were the same brightness as the backlight when using the controls
08:49:53gotthardtsure - so you dont want flicker on touchpad?
08:50:17RedZZRI don't personally like that, but like it when the LCD is off and the disc is accessed
08:50:32gotthardtah - can do
08:50:42gotthardtgood feedback - thanks
08:50:42obsessso i got a 30gb ipod (5gen) and 80gb ipod (5.5gen) ready for testing =D
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08:52:27d47_heh, i got the plasma plugin to loop back, its a much cooler plugin then my first impressions
08:52:47Mouser_XIt took about 267 zoom outs to loop back.
08:52:59Mouser_XOr, in that area, at least.
08:53:19Mouser_XI tried to count, but I know I missed a few...
08:53:48d47_and half way there is a bit where the whole screen is a single alternating colour
08:54:55Mouser_XThe reason I tried it at all, is that I have pretty neat plasma screensaver. Seeing the plugin, I thought it'd be pretty neat.
08:55:21Mouser_XIt wasn't as neat as the screensaver, but I thought zooming in would change that. I couldn't zoom in, so I zoomed out...
08:55:24Mouser_XReally far...
08:55:40Mouser_XEventually, it actually looks pretty neat.
08:56:10scorcheamiconn: did you see my last question?
08:56:56Mouser_X127 is where I got the single alternating color.
08:58:57d47_magical number
08:59:22d47_i still need to have the activation code for the wiki re-sent to my email, if any1 knows how?
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09:03:50Mouser_X255 is the single alternating color, again, and 256 is the "start."
09:03:56Mouser_XI like the alternating color, actually.
09:04:06Mouser_XI thought I had the simulator as the active window..
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09:06:18amiconnscorche: The MAS3587 has no dedicated line out.
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09:07:16amiconnBut setting all sound processing to linear will give you an equivalent to a line-out signal. The headphone amp in the MAS is much less noisy than e.g. the UDA1380
09:07:16scorcheamiconn: would i be able to get one from a DAC to the spdif?
09:07:26amiconn[09:05:55] <amiconn> scorche: The MAS3587 has no dedicated line out.
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09:20:22d47_oh, the activation code from the wiki was sent to my spam folder :roll nvm resending ut
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09:28:28d47_is any1 here able to add me to the users group for the wiki so i can add two more gigabeat theme
09:29:25d47_DylanM, if any1 reads this later
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09:38:08hen3rzthe daily build for gigabeat now turns of the screen
09:38:37hen3rzor it might be my eyes
09:38:47hen3rzbut im pretty sure the screen is completley off
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09:39:12hen3rzis there like a change log for dailly builds? so u can see what changes have been made?
09:39:54d47_well todays and yesterdays are still on the front page
09:40:16d47_there is an option in the debug menu that allows that tho
09:41:20hen3rzmine use to just dim down to 0 backlight
09:41:24hen3rzbut now it switches off
09:41:40hen3rzuhh here we go
09:41:50hen3rz"Revamped the backlight state machine and added buttonlight controls. Go to the Info/debug menu and test out the new modes for buttonlights on the Gigabeat - ON, OFF, Faint, and flicker - flickers on touchpad and disk reads."
09:42:14d47_yeh there the button leds on the side of the player
09:43:20hen3rzmy x30 doesnt have those...
09:43:53d47_they arnt in thedaily builds yet
09:44:01d47_you need the cvs version
09:44:15d47_oh u mean actually phisacal button leds
09:44:53d47_what does an X30 look like? im gunna google it
09:45:01hen3rzthey look sleek
09:45:04hen3rzyeah physical
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09:45:50hen3rzthats the exact same as mine
09:46:08hen3rzi wish it was black
09:46:08d47_ooo red
09:46:19d47_yeh i wanted a black 1 too
09:46:25d47_i got white
09:46:37hen3rzmine was a b day present
09:46:41d47_its pritty old now with a bunch of scratches and a dent
09:46:54d47_my birthday is on friday ^^
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09:47:07hen3rzis this f series?
09:47:09hen3rzha cool
09:47:17d47_yeh mines an F
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09:48:16*Mouser_X is getting the F40S.
09:48:20Mouser_X(I think)
09:48:33Mouser_XI know it's the F series, and I know it has a 40 GB drive.
09:49:03d47_heh kewl
09:49:39d47_my 2 themes just got uploaded ^^
09:49:52d47_mine are "lain" and "yellowprint"
09:50:01*Mouser_X looks.
09:50:17Mouser_XI'm attempting to make a Winamp styled WPS...
09:51:12d47_the wps code is quite easy
09:51:26Mouser_XI'm having difficulty figuring out how to display all the information... Artist, album, and song title...
09:51:33Mouser_XWinamp scrolls this stuff.
09:51:46Mouser_XI don't know if I can scroll it in WPS.
09:51:55webguest64hmm, you guys would do yourselves a big favour by creating links, in big red letters to the iPOD FAQ's and how to's, as they make up 80% of the pod questions asked in here
09:52:14LloreanMouser_X: %s makes a line scroll if it's too long
09:52:26Lloreanwebguest64: Or people could just read the manual.
09:52:48Mouser_XI'm still working on graphics. I haven't even looked at the "code" yet.
09:52:58hen3rzohhh lain looks pretty nice
09:53:10d47_thx ^^
09:55:14webguest64I really dont understand the mentality of, "I cant get something to work, and I wont read the manual either"
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09:56:08d47_thats all well and good to try and figure it out on yourself but to go around asking anoying questions
09:56:13Mouser_XI wonder if I should modify my Winamp WPS to allow for album art?
09:56:36Mouser_XI could fit it into the window where the anylizer would usually go.
09:56:38d47_mmm, that requires people to use a patch along with your theme though
09:57:01Mouser_XI'll leave it off for now, then.
09:57:12Mouser_XMain thing to do is get it working first.
09:57:29Mouser_XOnce it's working, I can start adding all the other happy fun fancy stuff.
09:57:34d47_you can comment it out and write a note in the description to uncomment it if ever it gets supported in the mainstream builds i spose
09:57:54Mouser_XWell, graphically, it wouldn't fit anyway.
09:58:03d47_=/ awell
09:58:16Mouser_XI could get it to fit if I stretched it.
09:58:20Mouser_XIt's not a big deal.
09:58:48Mouser_XThough, if I want to stick as close to original Winamp as I can, then I won't be doing the stretching, unless I add album art support.
09:59:04Mouser_XSo, I'll leave it as it stands, for now.
09:59:09hen3rzin the manual it refers to an "edit key" what is that?
10:00:41d47_in context with what? wps?
10:01:00hen3rzim trying to work out how to qeue a song
10:01:18d47_oh so ab edit button?
10:02:21d47_are you talking about using your player
10:02:40hen3rzlike when viewing the files as directorys
10:02:53hen3rzhow do u queue a song?
10:02:58d47_if you browse to a song hold the play button then select playlist>queue
10:03:15d47_you hold the play button to get a menu
10:04:01hen3rzits like a whole hidden feature
10:04:56d47_some developers should put some easter eggs int the code lol
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10:05:50scorchethis isnt a computer application...binary size matters alot
10:05:58scorches/alot/a lot
10:06:22Lloreanscorche: It could be ifdeffed out, so it's really an easter egg just in the code. :-P
10:06:33Llorean#if 0
10:06:34d47_fair enuf
10:06:38LloreanThis is an easter egg.
10:06:45LloreanWithout the typos
10:06:53scorcheof course
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10:07:20scorchei prefer to insert those in comments
10:07:21hen3rzhow do u view ur playlist?
10:07:35scorchehen3rz: the manual tells you
10:08:01d47_menu>playlist options>view
10:08:12hen3rzthank you
10:08:24scorchethere are easier ways as well (imo at least
10:08:42d47_like what?
10:09:19scorched47_: like the way accessed via the context menu
10:09:49scorcheLlorean: like one such example, i saw on thedailywtf... //prepare for return! LF return;
10:10:14Lloreanscorche: I liked that one.
10:14:45d47_lol ive never see thedailywtf before, im reading it now
10:15:17Lloreanscorche: Okay, I've now had like, 3 people install the old bootloader on their 5.5G. Apparently bright red text really isn't clear enough.
10:16:13amiconnTry blinking red text on white background? ;)
10:16:28d47_marqee's and neon light
10:17:22LloreanI'm thinking of removing the instructions entirely from the old IpodInstallation page, and just leaving the files.
10:17:45scorchei dont see a purpose for the old one, personally
10:18:09LloreanThe old ipodpatcher.exe is necessary at the moment if you mess up your bootpartition too badly, and the new one can't recognize that it's an ipod.
10:18:45scorchei say we move the new one out of beta, and move the old one to a depreciated page
10:18:54scorcheand change the titles respectively
10:20:18scorchesomething like that
10:20:18LloreanHonestly, I think we can actually just get rid of it entirely
10:20:22LloreanIt'll still be visible in the revisions
10:20:31LloreanAnd ipodpatcher is hosted at still.
10:20:56scorchei would rather direct someone to a page than tell them how to view older revisions
10:21:12Lloreanscorche: When do you need to direct someone to the old install process?
10:21:38scorcheoh...i see what you mean
10:21:42Lloreanscorche: All you should need to direct them to is
10:21:45scorchesounds fine then
10:21:47LloreanOr one of the .zips
10:21:53*Llorean goes to kill an old page.
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10:23:56LloreanWell, I can't get rid of IpodInstallationBeta, but IpodInstallation should now be the new method.
10:24:31scorcheit can wait for Bagder to wake up
10:24:32amiconnLlorean: In order to remove a page, move it to the "Trash" web
10:24:53Lloreanamiconn: It doesn't allow me to move pages.
10:24:55amiconnComplete removal isn't possbile because of versioning
10:24:58jbahey gang
10:25:31LloreanIt told me that moving is not allowed.
10:26:42jbahey gang, is there a planet.rocklbox or something similar?
10:27:36scorchenot quite sure what you are asking
10:28:20LloreanI'll up your "not quite sure" and give you a "no clue" :)
10:29:03jbaa blog syndicatoin of the most active rockbox devs
10:29:36scorchei am going to vote for no
10:30:43LloreanI wonder if we even have devs that blog.
10:31:02scorchenot sure if any are the blogging type
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10:31:12LloreanI mean, I stumbled across an article from Bagder at O'Reilly once, but that's a full fledged article there.
10:31:22jba_would be good to have though, or don't any of the rockbox dev's blog?
10:31:27Mouser_XPersonaly, I say, why write a blog, when you could be spending that time coding?
10:31:36jba_sorry got wireless drop out before, so I missed the last few minutes
10:31:48jba_last thing i saw was <scorche> i am going to vote for no
10:32:07Lloreanjba_: We don't think there are any devs who blog.
10:32:08Mouser_XCheck that.
10:32:10scorchejba_: that is why we have logs ;)
10:32:34Mouser_Xscorche: (Thus my link.)
10:32:44jba_actually i don't know where the rockbox proper irc logs are, i only bookmarked the old gigabeat logs, but thanks Mouser_X were a bit quicker on the draw
10:33:02Mouser_XThat's because I'm already there.
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10:33:27Mouser_X*all month
10:33:37scorchejba_: there is a link on our sidebar that says IRC
10:33:39Mouser_X*all year?
10:33:45d47_* tries to use the star thingo
10:33:53d47_* shouts success
10:34:06jba_d47_, it's /me
10:34:14*scorche sighs at d47_
10:34:14Mouser_XI was about to say that.
10:34:22*d47_ lol
10:34:31Mouser_XMuch better.
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10:37:41Mouser_XSo, Rockbox doesn't display VBR correctly? Like, the actual bitrate at the time that it plays?
10:37:58scorcheit shows the ABR
10:38:28Mouser_XI've just been noticing it on the simulators.
10:38:31jba_why waste battery figuring out the current bitrate?
10:38:40Mouser_XTrue enough.
10:39:10d47_well if ya gonna be like that... why wat battery listning to music
10:39:27*scorche chooses to ignore the last statement
10:39:54d47_battery is much beter spent playing pokemon on the rockboy xD
10:40:00jba_that's two tel-tale signs, hmm
10:40:04Mouser_XI think it's interesting to see the battery life in the simulators... It fluctuates fairly wildly.
10:40:33scorched47_: then why even get a DAP?
10:40:45LloreanMouser_X: It should be cycling continually.
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10:41:07d47_scorche: lol good point
10:41:09Lloreand47_: I'll trade you my Gameboy Color for your DAP. I'll even throw in Pokemon.
10:41:10jba_scorche, i thought you were gonna ifnore it?
10:41:23LloreanIt'll have better battery life.
10:41:39scorchei said the previous statement...not the one that came after it
10:41:39d47_Llorean: i allready got em, i got mey on my polemon red :P i win
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10:43:51safetydanMouser_X, the simulator should have the battery level cycle from 100 to 0 percent over time so people can test their WPS's
10:44:00jba_surely not mine?
10:44:42jba_hey guys, anyone working on other targets (than the gigabeat) notice really flat discharge curves for their batteries?
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10:46:40Mouser_Xsafetydan: Ah, that would explain the fluctuating.
10:47:01Mouser_X(Again, I had to read that one off the logs... Blasted connection...)
10:47:24Mouser_XAt this rate, I should just make that my homepage...
10:49:06perldiverseems like this chan has turned into gigabeat HQ for awhile :P
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10:49:50scorcheperldiver: this is rockbox "HQ"...the whole purpose of the gigabeat channel was to port rockbox to it
10:50:10perldiverit was a joke, really
10:56:09Mouser_XSo, all these BMPs I'm making for a WPS need to be saved as 16b, right?
10:56:34Llorean24, I believe.
10:56:50Mouser_XOh, that's no problem then.
10:57:15Mouser_XWell, I need to go to bed...
10:57:27hen3rzhow long does the submission process take?
10:57:37hen3rzcya later Mouser_x
10:57:48hen3rzwhat time is it over there btw?
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10:57:54Mouser_XJust curious, what's "stop" on the iPod?
10:57:57d47_i submitted 1 this morning and another around 5pm and they both got added about half an hour ago
10:58:17midkayMouser_X: hold play.
10:58:58Mouser_XAh. Thanks.
10:59:08*Mouser_X is using the simulator...
10:59:22Mouser_XAs such, it took me a minute to realize I was pushing the wrong button.
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11:00:01scorchehen3rz, d47_: assuming you are talking, keep in mind that that is an unofficial location, and to be sure to add them to the official location in the wiki
11:00:36d47_yeh i need some1 to add me to the users group in the wiki so i can do just that
11:01:53scorche"Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule."
11:02:13d47_... it was in a list of accepted examples
11:02:29midkaythat list is actually a "not acceptable names" list.
11:02:38d47_the first column isnt
11:02:43midkayit's *not* JohnS.
11:03:02midkaywhat first column?
11:03:03scorchejust re-register following the rules, and i (or someone else) will add you
11:03:24midkayscorche: what's the page? TWikiUserGroup or something?
11:03:30scorchewhat ugh?...that is a clearly stated rule
11:03:50scorchemidkay: add an s to users
11:03:56scorchewell, user
11:03:59midkayrighto.. this guy needs deleting:
11:04:11midkayso does GarryN...
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11:04:17scorchethere are quite a few instances
11:04:31scorchei dont have the ability to do that though
11:04:35midkaywell, i think they should at least be removed from the "write access" page.
11:04:47scorcheafaik, only Bagder and LinusN do
11:04:57midkaymaybe also leave a note for people who add names to this to not add pseudonyms/short names.
11:05:07scorchemidkay: i would rather keep them there just so we can see a list and easily find them
11:05:26scorchei will talk to Bagder about it when he wakes
11:05:32midkaythere are still way more that aren't there, i'm betting.. there's actually a full list somewhere iirc.
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11:05:46scorchejust users
11:06:04d47_new names DylanMcgannon
11:06:05scorche(as in the page is TWikiUsers
11:06:13midkayyes, that's it.
11:06:16midkaywhy not leave them there...?
11:06:23midkaymuch better listing.
11:06:35scorchewell, i cant modify that anyway
11:06:42midkaymodify what?
11:07:00midkayi never said to. modify them to not have write access (remove from TWikiUsersGroup) but do leave them at TWikiUsers so they can be deleted later on.
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11:07:09midkaybest of 'both worlds'..
11:07:21scorchei will get to it as soon as i am done with something
11:07:30scorcheor you can do it
11:07:41midkayand you are doing..?
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11:08:30scorcheand your name reminds me of zelda...
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11:09:44d47_ill direct you all here:;def=bad_wikiname
11:10:02d47_that first column is a bit ambiquouse, but i get it now
11:10:12midkayhmm. Alock Box is a suspicious name.
11:10:41midkayquote-unquote "name".
11:10:57scorched47_: that is because that was a standard TWiki page that was not edited most likely
11:11:11d47_fair enuf
11:11:17midkayso is john smith, but... gah. :p
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11:11:55d47_lol that name is used as an example so much because it is so common, now if you see that name its suspicious
11:12:36midkaydefinitely, but i guess i'll let it be.. there must be a few real john smiths in this world. :)
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12:10:50webguest71I am trying to flash my H140, the "Bootloader.iriver" file at the bottom of this page,, opens into a text file, what am i supposed to do with that ?
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12:43:27linuxstbscorche, Llorean: I would say the IpodInstallationBeta is still beta - it's known to have problems on (I think) all the greyscale ipods.
12:44:02linuxstbIn which case, the old instructions should be used...
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12:44:49dan_aDoes the new ipodpatcher support 3G images yet?
12:45:02linuxstbNot yet - another reason for the beta status...
12:45:08amiconnlinuxstb: No probs on my mini G2
12:45:23linuxstbamiconn: Does it load the Apple firmware? That's the problem people have been reporting.
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12:45:51amiconnI removed the apple firmware immediately, so I can't tell
12:45:54d47i was just reading the log and a while back you where talking about charger voltage for the gigabeat, i would like to ad that its written on the back of the player... 5v, 3.0A
12:45:59amiconnI have absolutely no use for it
12:46:26linuxstbamiconn: I'm with you, but others seem to want to dual-boot for some reason...
12:46:36amiconnThe only targe
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12:47:06Angryhi all^^
12:47:13amiconnImho the only ipod target where dualboot makes sense is the ipod video - if you want video via the broadcom chip
12:47:43dan_aAt the moment it makes sense on the 3G too.
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12:48:44webguest71I am trying to flash my H140, the "Bootloader.iriver" file at the bottom of this page,, opens into a text file, what am i supposed to do with that ?
12:49:24Mikachuamiconn: the nano too
12:51:36linuxstbamiconn: Lots of people seem to use Rockbox on the ipod only for playing games, and use the Apple firmware for music...
12:52:03linuxstbThe emergency disk mode is far slower than the disk mode in the main firmware on the Nano.
12:52:29dan_aamiconn: I enjoy listening to MP3s without them skipping ;)
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12:53:37webguest71skiping music does detract from the listening experinace a bit, a bit like a condom with a hole
12:54:01amiconnlinuxstb: I thought this was on the video...
12:54:29linuxstbIt may be on (at least some) videos as well, but it's mainly the Nano that everyone reports the slow speeds.
12:54:30amiconnwebguest71: True, but then I don't get any skipping in rockbox on my ipod
12:54:45webguest71do you use the eq ?
12:54:48Slasheriwebguest71: you should save the file on disk on the player.. not open it up in a text editor
12:55:04amiconnBut I even have a peakmeter in my wps :P
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12:55:38amiconnI can use the eq with 1 or 2 channels still without skipping
12:55:54webguest71Hi Slasheri, i click on the link to download it and it automatically opens to a view, doesn't download
12:56:07amiconnwebguest71: Right-click and save as...
12:56:42webguest71learn something all the time :>
12:57:35Slasheriand before flashing, use the "dump rom" feature in the debug menu so you can easily restore original firmware if ever necessary
12:58:06webguest71only save as I have is "Save Link as" if i right click on that file
12:58:29scorchewebguest71: ctrl-s then
12:58:47webguest71its ok i used a old bootloader.irver file of yours
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12:59:26webguest71and flash works, but i'm still puzzled by that file
13:00:56webguest71it doesn't open my text viewer, it goes to html text
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13:01:32webguest71or something like that, web stuff is elastic bands and mirrors to me
13:02:06scorchedont forget the series of tubes (has that joke worn off yet?)
13:03:33webguest71but really, try and download bootloader.iriver from here see for yourself
13:04:16scorcheopens in text, then i hit ctrl-S
13:04:41scorcheit is more how the browser handles it rather than how it is on the site
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13:05:00webguest71ah, but you understand the mysteries of bands amd mirors
13:06:03amiconnlostlogic: ping...
13:07:26linuxstbscorche: The server is sending the text/plain mime type for bootloader.iriver - hence the problem.
13:07:50scorcheso in this case it is the site....heh
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13:12:36webguest71thanks folks
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13:24:22hcshere's hoping it was part of a RAID array
13:24:36d47lol no but it was my OS partition
13:24:58hcsah, so hopefully nothing irreplacable
13:25:46d47well, i only have another 500gb raid to install gentoo on, and its full of data, just anime and stuff, ive allready wiped it though
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14:02:23grilleHi, guys, isthere someone here, who can help me with my Iriver iHp120 not booting?
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14:06:54linuxstbWhat exactly happens?
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14:11:33amiconnpreglow: around?
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14:32:07pixelmabluebrother: in the split_editor section of the manual there are a lot warnings "image ignored...". Do you happen to know why and what there has to be done to get it working?
14:32:34bluebrotherpixelma, does this apply only to a specific manual?
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14:33:31pixelmaall manuals that have to describe the spliteditor 8exists only for Ondio/Recorders)
14:33:55bluebrotherthat may be simply a leftover from the conversion from openoffice.
14:34:10bluebrotherthat introduces these warnings
14:34:50bluebrotherwhich in turn means nobody noticed yet. The screenshot macro prints out a warning when a file is not found, but that can get caught from the latex run output
14:35:16bluebrotherand for ondio / recorder it tells me nothing about missing files.
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14:36:18bluebrotheroh. That file indeed needs some work.
14:36:46pixelmayes that's what I'm doing (want to do)
14:37:26pixelmaI already converted the table to the correct button tables style...
14:38:38grille@linuxstb: When i press the powerswitch, the Bootloader apears and freezes after result: 0. When I boot up holding rec pressed the normal Iriver firmware splash screen shows up, but also freezes. Using the disk in normal usb mode works and checkdisk didnt show up any errors.
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14:39:13bluebrothergrille, sounds like the outletmp3 (or what was the exact name?) problem
14:39:37grilleyeah heard of it, but it worked for about half a year now
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14:42:18bluebrotherit did? Strange
14:42:22grilleit startet yesterday, when i shut down windoze: The player kept showing the "usb bootloader screen" and didnt react on any buttons. only when i resetted it, it reacted. After that it didnt boot anymore.
14:43:25grillefrom other people who had this problem i know that the normal firmware kept on working, or at least booting
14:43:37bluebrotherI had my player not booting once. I removed all files from the device and reinstalled Rockbox. Then it worked again
14:43:46bluebrotherI guess something was wrong to the filesystem
14:44:00bluebrotherchkdsk is nice but doesn't find everything
14:44:19bluebrotherI just discovered this recently when I was working with FAT16 directly
14:44:55grillewell, i have already reformatted it to prim part with fat32, but still nothing happens
14:45:35bluebrotherhmm. Sorry, I have no idea.
14:46:19pixelmabluebrother: now I'm not too sure what i have to do with the images (which were in the 2.5 manual I suppose) but atm there are only these warnings (directly in the tex file). I'm not even sure if the actual images are in the repository...
14:47:22bluebrotherdoesn't seem like there are images in the source file.
14:47:59bluebrotheryou could replace the warnings with screenshot macro and add the images itself later. Or don't use images in that section ... don't know what's better
14:49:41preglowamiconn: yeah
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14:50:11pixelmahmm... I think complete screenshots would be overshooting but icons (or parts) would work I guess. Something like the explanation of the supported files icons
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14:52:53amiconnpreglow: Didn't you say that you have a dedicated treble & bass filter that's a little more efficient than the eq filters?
14:53:39amiconnI do now think that it would be perhaps a good idea to add these for swcodec targets without hardware sound control
14:53:53amiconn(i.e. X5, ipod mini, probably a few other ipods)
14:54:17preglowamiconn: yeah, i do, but testing would be nice to see if they suffice
14:54:29preglowamiconn: as a matter of fact, the filter is already in rockbox, as a part of crossfeed
14:54:58preglowit would just need tweaking to allow gains as well
14:54:59amiconnI also found an arm optimised memcpy
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14:55:11amiconn(gpl, part of libc)
14:55:35amiconnDidn't test it yet
14:57:01preglowamiconn: but yeah, as for the filter, i don't know if the treble/bass controls usually are first or second order filters. the one i use in crossfeed is first order and might not sound nice, but only a test can tell us that
14:57:47amiconnHmm, could you see which order such a filter is from looking at the filter curve?
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14:58:15preglowamiconn: that looks curiously like the memcpy i saw in the linux kernel
14:58:16preglowamiconn: yes
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14:58:35preglowamiconn: depends on how clear the curve is, but yes, ideally i should be able to
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14:59:29amiconnpreglow: page 9 has the MAS' bass & treble curves
15:01:45linuxstbCould someone with a 1st or 2nd gen mini or 4g greyscale use the new ipodpatcher to install the old bootloader (download it from and then convert to .ipod format with tools/scramble -add=xxxx) and see if the original firmware boots?
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15:03:30amiconnFor some reason philips doesn't provide curves for the UDA...
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15:06:11preglowamiconn: investigating the mas one now
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15:16:39preglowamiconn: i think they're first order
15:18:10preglowamiconn: but anyway, like i said, a small listening test should tell if they're suitable for that use anyway
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15:20:03preglowamiconn: they should also be very much more efficient than the eq, since both treble and bass control is done in just one filter, and that filter alone is more efficient than one of the eq filters
15:20:43preglowjust remains to see if it sounds good
15:21:06preglowi'll see if i can check it out during the day
15:21:32preglowbut for now i'll have to content myself with giving this place a thorough cleaning :/
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15:28:55bluebrotherpreglow, how about octave?
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15:36:17Watjehmz, how can I transfer flac files to my ipod?
15:36:36Watjebecause amarok says it's an unsupported file format, when I try to transfer it
15:36:47Mikachujust copy the files there
15:37:11Watjewill it get in the database then?
15:37:39linuxstbThe Rockbox database will include them, yes.
15:37:46Watjeok, thank you both
15:37:57linuxstbRockbox ignores the itunes database...
15:38:05Watjeone last question
15:38:16Watjeis it true that flac kills your battery life?
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15:38:47linuxstbThe files are around 800kbps, so there is 5 times the disk activity compared to a 160kbps file...
15:39:31amiconnOtoh the flac decoder in rockbox is very efficient
15:39:39Watjehm k
15:39:52Watjebut is it the disk that uses most of the battery?
15:40:08linuxstbSee the IpodRuntime wiki page for some test results.
15:40:29linuxstbOr you could simply do a test yourself...
15:40:30Ephexishey, is there some program that generates the ipoddb without changing the file names?
15:40:53linuxstbEphexis: The Apple firmware is very fussy about the filenames, so in general no.
15:41:16Mikachui think gtkpod left most of the filename, but truncated it to 40 chars or so
15:41:27Ephexisi have that 80gb ipod
15:41:48linuxstbMikachu: What if the path (excluding the filename) was more than the filename limit?
15:41:56Ephexisnop, it changes to gtkpod<randchars>.mp3
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15:42:30Mikachulinuxstb: i thought it was just the filename, not total path, but it seems i was wrong in any case
15:42:37Ephexisand copy the files to that fucking folders, the same as itunes does
15:42:52Mikachuprobably because otherwise the firmware won't find it
15:42:53linuxstbBlame Apple...
15:43:02Ephexisdamn apple
15:43:11Mikachuwrite a letter
15:43:13linuxstbDear Steve, please make your firmware interoperate better with Rockbox...
15:44:35linuxstbBut for a system with only a database view of the music, forcing short filenames makes sense (the database uses less RAM).
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15:45:11Mikachuit worked
15:45:31Ephexisit could make a tree with short names and link it to the real names
15:45:41Mikachuyou can't have links on fat
15:46:09webguest72Who is the man to ask about archos ports?
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15:46:26linuxstbwebguest72: No-one in particular - just ask...
15:46:57webguest72in the logs i saw somtheing abut the archos gmini xs 200/2002
15:47:10webguest72is there a port avaible?
15:47:17amiconnThe gmini port is dead, unfortunately
15:47:44amiconnThe only porter left the project
15:47:55webguest72thats bad :(
15:48:06amiconnRockbox was partially working (don't know if it played music) on Gmini 1xx and Gmini SP
15:49:06webguest72but it played doom ^^
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15:50:08linuxstbwebguest72: You may want to look at archopen - they're running an alternative firmware on the newer Archos devices.....
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15:50:26*amiconn doubts that it ran doom.
15:50:31liljawai will play a little with the archos source
15:50:50amiconnThe gmini 1xx is monochrome - and rockdoom was added after the gmini port was abandoned
15:51:28linuxstbliljawa: You may want to look at archopen - they're running an alternative firmware on the newer Archos devices.....
15:51:42liljawau got a link?
15:52:51liljawasearched on rockbox site ^^
15:52:59linuxstbBut I've found their website impossible to find basic information such as a list of supported players...
15:53:30Mikachuit looks nice though :)
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15:54:09liljawayeh bad site ... u know some port for the gmini xs 200/202?
15:54:59*Genre9mp3 brings to mind this "prophetic" april fools joke:
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15:59:54Lars_GHi all
16:00:16Lars_GBefore I keep on stumbling the net for info, is there any tool that will easily let me convert fonts to a bdf format the convbdf tool can use?
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16:03:50bluebrotherLars_G, fontforge can afaik
16:04:32Lars_Gerrr isn't fontforge mac only?
16:05:16*Lars_G bleeds at the eyes
16:05:28Lars_Goh my gods, the font file I want to convert is originally 12Mb big
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16:06:34bluebrotherno −− it's available for several platforms:
16:06:45bluebrotherhaven't used it though
16:07:07Lars_GThanks I will check it.
16:07:13*Lars_G bows to bluebrother
16:07:26Lars_GI pray I can reduce this font's disk size
16:07:55bluebrotheryou're welcome :)
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16:09:04lostlogicamiconn: high latency pong
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16:13:17preglowbluebrother: i'm using octave, but its graphing facilities are much, much worse than matlab's
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16:13:41bluebrotherok. Never needed it much
16:16:27bluebrotherhmm. Can someone explain what this Rocker guy wants from me?
16:17:08bluebrotherI really don't understand this
16:17:42Soapare you dominik or grant?
16:18:53bluebrotherDominik (without ck)
16:19:59SoapIn my humble opinion rocker just wants to argue.
16:20:45SoapThat is the second mailing list thread which needs a "better man" to step up and stop replying and let it die.
16:21:00bluebrotherlooks like, but I completely don't understand what he wants to argue about.
16:21:16bluebrotherso I'm not in the right position to keep arguing ;-)
16:22:07bluebrotherand, to be honest, as he seems to be incapable to argue in an understandable way I consider my time too valueable for this.
16:22:16bluebrotherBut I'm still curious what he means ...
16:22:26Lars_GI'm unsure even he knows
16:22:39bluebrothercan't remember of my memory failing (maybe because it's failing? :-P
16:23:12bluebrotherI get more and more the intention he is simply some kind of trolling around.
16:24:28FebsI was just about to reply to that thread saying "Rocker, you've managed to misinterpret just about everything Dominik has written in this thread."
16:25:03Lars_GNah let the thread die
16:25:25Lars_GBtw i love how he took "stop full quoting" as "don't use quote marks" lol
16:25:48bluebrotherat least I'll let it die now. He seems to be resistant against understanding. Somehow.
16:26:04bluebrotherwe should really post the netiquette monthly
16:26:17FebsIt won't matter.
16:26:21bluebrotheror maybe the complete RFC memo? *g*
16:26:29bluebrotheryeah, that's the problem.
16:26:43Lars_Gbluebrother: I did help desk on an ISP, and I read daily. people don't read.
16:26:44FebsI took the time to post some basics Friday and people didn't even read it.
16:27:02*bluebrother read it
16:27:13Lars_Gbluebrother: The #opera channel in the opera network has a topic specifying the very strict rules for the channel. every day the OPs kick around 20 to 30 people who enter and break them
16:27:17FebsPeople *who needed to read it* didn't.
16:27:20bluebrotherbut I guess I'm not in the group of people that was intended for :)
16:27:23Lars_Gpeople don't read, people don't care.
16:27:39bluebrotherindeed. *sic*
16:27:57*bluebrother needs a "donate some nerves" button
16:28:35FebsMaybe it's not worth the effort to keep that list useful.
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16:29:05bluebrotherso create a new one?
16:29:18bluebrotherlike rockbox-we-know-how-to-behave?
16:29:40Lars_Git will happen again, unless there's someone who can dedicate a good amount of time to moderating
16:30:05Lars_GBtw bluebrother fontforge is great thanks for the recommendation
16:30:13bluebrothersomeone would need to moderate every post. I guess that's the only way to make it work.
16:30:50Lars_GWell it could be coded. the first month of a person's posts (not subscription but posts) would be moderated. Aftewards he'd be demoderated if considered fit
16:31:00FebsI'm very close to unsubscribing, which is a shame, because I like to help people, but it's just too frustrating to wade through all of the garbage.
16:32:10bluebrothersame as me. Would be good to at least read about the stuff that matters for users, but it's time consuming and annoying
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16:33:13Soapcreate a "blind users" mailing list where the people who actually need help can get it easily.
16:33:20Lars_GI wonder what wrapper can convbdf take fonts in
16:33:52FebsSoap, unless we made that a moderated list, I think we would end up in the same place.
16:34:08bluebrothernice idea. There were several occasions I was wondering if the poster was blind or not.
16:34:20Soapyou don't need to go full moderated.
16:34:35bluebrotheron rockbox-blind (or what it may get called) you could at least assume that.
16:34:47SoapOne violation = warning. Two violations = remove posting priv for a week. Three violations = off the list.
16:34:52FebsI see your point.
16:35:04FebsArrrggh. Sorry. No pun intended.
16:36:12SoapOr a similar "moderation" system could be used in the current list.
16:36:46FebsTrue. But is there anyone who wants the job of being the moderator?
16:36:58SoapGive some trusted people the power to declare "thread dead" - anyone who adds to the thread after X hours of grace loses posting privledges for a month.
16:37:32SoapA lot less time consuming than someone needing to approve every mail which enters the list before it is bounced out to the subscribers.
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16:46:58amiconnlostlogic: It looks like you upgraded your build server, and now your native gcc is one of the 'bad' 4.1.1 series, which gives warnings for constructs which are perfectly ok
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16:49:09*Lars_G claws his eyes out
16:49:12Lars_Gthe bdf is 3.3Mb
16:49:21Lars_Gi wonder if rockbox will be able to handle a font that big
16:50:04Lars_Gheck even convbdf segfaulted!
16:50:35bluebrotherLars_G, there is a task in the tracker "convbdf segfaults on large fonts" (or similar)
16:50:55Lars_GI'll check
16:50:55Lars_Gis it a patch or an open bug?
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16:51:49Lars_Gticket, 495
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17:11:08bluebrotherhmm, seems the unsupported builds form always switches back to sorting by title?
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17:11:26bluebrotheris anyone else also experiencing this?
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17:20:43linuxstbbluebrother: Yes, I experience that.
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17:23:02Soapis that not the intended behavior?
17:24:36lostlogicamiconn: oh... yes, I did change my hostcc, totally forgot that hostcc impacts rockbox builds.
17:24:36Lars_GHow much I'd love ttf rendering on rockbox :) and no, I can't code it right now, sorry :(
17:25:34linuxstbLars_G: It's much more efficient to render in advance, which is what Rockbox basically does now.
17:25:45Lars_GWell yes that makes sense
17:25:57Lars_Git's just my addled brain equated real-time rendering with better quality
17:26:01Lars_Gwhich is wrong
17:26:48amiconnlostlogic: Is it possible to change this either to the latest 4.0.x, or the latest 4.1.1 (which is called 4.1.2 pre-release in debian)?
17:27:55Lars_GI'll do something easier, does anyone know where the current unicode.fnt is generated from?
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17:28:32Lars_GI of course meant unifont.bdf
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17:30:49Lars_GI'll try to regen it on 12pt see if it still looks as nice, and yet smaller
17:30:53Lars_Gor even 14pt
17:31:01lostlogicamiconn: I still have the old GCC installed, I think I can just change rockbox' user to default to that GCC even though I upgraded my system GCC
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17:31:37amiconnLars_G: I don't think it's generated
17:31:58Lars_Gamiconn: You mean unifont is bitmap only? o.O
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18:29:34x1jmpwhat kind of data writes pcm_record_data to *start?
18:29:53x1jmpI'm a bit confused because it needs a void pointer
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18:31:33x1jmpno dev here?
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18:33:38dan_ax1jmp: I'm not familiar with the recording code - I think that jhMikeS is the best person to talk to, but he's not here at the moment
18:34:19linuxstbx1jmp: It probably writes interleaved 16-bit stereo samples.
18:34:29linuxstb(signed, host-endian)
18:35:11x1jmplinuxstb: that's what I think, but the void pointer confuses me
18:35:22linuxstbThe WAV recording codec would probably give you some clues.
18:36:05x1jmpbtw what's the difference between interleaved and noninterleaved?
18:36:25Nimdaei'm finally making the jump to test the latest cop patch
18:36:52linuxstb"Interleaved" mixes the left/right samples in the same array (like a WAV file). non-interleaved has two arrays, one for each channel.
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18:37:56dan_aNimdae: Can you leave a comment on the FS task saying what you tested it on, and any problems you had. I'm wanting to commit it soon, but there have been too many reports of problems for me to be comfortable doing that yet
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18:38:17Juice^Im thinking of the image viewer.. could someone explain why there is no support of the bmp format? when they work as album art. and backdrops, wps etc..
18:38:17linuxstbx1jmp: But as dan_a suggested, jhMikeS would be able to answer any detailed questions about the recording code - he wrote most of it.
18:38:32Nimdaedan_a: that's my intention
18:38:42linuxstbJuice^: There is no image viewer, only a JPEG viewer...
18:38:45dan_aNimdae: Thank you :D
18:38:53Nimdaedan_a: i noticed problems with boosting, and reference to another patch, but that part confused me
18:39:06Juice^linuxstb: right.. thats correct :)
18:39:14x1jmpok, I'll be waiting...
18:39:58linuxstbJuice^: I just mean that the jpeg viewer is designed around JPEG files - the zooming for example is done during the decoding stage. It's not a general-purpose image viewer that only happens to support jpeg.
18:41:07bluebrotherwasn't there a bmpviewer plugin in the tracker?
18:41:42gotthardtdoes the paint prog edit bmps?
18:41:57dan_aNimdae: Make sure you have a recent bootloader installed. You can test whether any problems are due to boosting by editing firmware/export/config-<your_machine>.h and commenting out the line that says "#define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ"
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18:42:30Juice^linuxstb: i understand.. maby there should be coded a generic viewer that detects the formats and uses the correct decoder according to its format.. but then there needs to be converted decoders for rockbox ofcourse...
18:42:30Nimdaeah ok, i do have a recent bootloader, at is one after the new ipodpatcher wsa released
18:42:46Nimdaejust finished copying the patched firmware over so i'm gonna test it now
18:43:07linuxstbNimdae: If the bootloader has white text on a black background, it should be recent enough.
18:43:25Nimdaeyeah, it does
18:43:54linuxstbdan_a: Is the COP working on your 3G?
18:43:57Nimdaeawww man, it reset settings D:
18:44:59Nimdaeok, i see in the os stacks that it's showing the cors now
18:45:08dan_alinuxstb: Yes. But Rockbox in general is very unstable - I don't know if that's something dumb I've done or something that's broken while I wasn't looking
18:45:43dan_a(with or without the COP patch)
18:46:01Nimdaewell, so far so good playing music
18:46:09Nimdaeoh yeah, this is a 5g btw
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18:47:13dan_aI've got an iriver H10 on the way too, so I'll have something else I can test it on
18:47:19Nimdaescrolling is sporatic
18:47:37dan_aNimdae: How is it without the patch?
18:47:53Nimdaewell, i've noticed scrolling speed is tied to cpu speed
18:48:02SoapNimdae: are you using a custom patched firmware or Senab's?
18:48:03Nimdaeso while unboosted it's pretty slow, while boosted it's fast
18:48:24linuxstbWe should just boost the CPU whilst the UI is active...
18:48:25NimdaeSoap: i don't those unsupported builds
18:48:33Soapjust checking.
18:48:48Nimdaeanyway, while playing music, the menu is generally pretty quick
18:49:26Nimdaewith this patch, it'll be quick like normal, but with pauses in scrolling periodically, the pauses are short enough for me to think that it's just an unboosted scroll at that point in time
18:49:41dan_aNimdae: Do you mean scrolling through lists, or the text which scrolls left to right?
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18:49:54Nimdaescrolling through lists
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18:50:19Nimdaethe side to side scrolling appears unaffected
18:50:45linuxstbTry manually boosting the CPU in the debug screen, and see if you still get pauses.
18:51:26dan_alinuxstb: Something simple like boosting at a keypress and holding the boost for 2 seconds (similar to the way the backlight works)?
18:51:44linuxstbdan_a: Yes.
18:51:44Nimdaehow do i manually boost?
18:52:12linuxstbMain menu -> info -> debug -> cpu frequency, and then (I think) scroll backwards to increase the boost count...
18:53:31linuxstbAlso, changing the list scrolling code to perform acceleration by skipping lines (and hence doing less display updates) would help.
18:53:38Nimdaeit was smooth at first, for about 3 seconds, then went back to the same behavior...boost count is still up so it's staying boosted
18:56:07Nimdaethe ata process is getting hit pretty frequently, main on cpu0 is constantly in a run state, as is codec on cpu1
18:58:01Nimdaedan_a: oh, i should test this disk mode thing since i'm on a 5g, heh
18:58:26Nimdaewent to disk mode no problem
18:58:40Nimdaethere seemed to be a longer than normal delay detecting the usb connection though
18:58:40dan_aNimdae: Thank you
19:00:25Nimdaeregisterign on flyspray, i'll post my initial experience on there
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19:01:23Juice^when you go into the debug menu on the sansa, there is no way to go out of the debug/back
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19:01:52dan_aJuice^: It's either power or back
19:02:01Juice^dan_a: tried them all...
19:02:26dan_aJuice^: Which menu?
19:03:17Juice^dan_a: in the "view partitions"
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19:08:56dan_aHmmm, the code says that it's left, but that doesn't seem to work
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19:09:16Nimdaei'm gonna make a few different builds and put them on my ipod
19:11:35Juice^dan_a: some of the menus can exit by using -left- but not all of them in debug
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19:14:16lostlogicamiconn: which build would throw warnings? so I can test some gccs...
19:14:52amiconnAny swcodec sim, in libmad, see build table
19:15:10amiconnThe yellow builds with 2 warnings are due to your server...
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19:15:55Nimdaewow, you mean kermit is actually behaving? >.>
19:20:23Juice^dan_a: i went through all of the menus in debug and noted down the status of each of them
19:21:02dan_aJuice^: Excellent! Which ones don't work?
19:21:36Juice^can i pm you
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19:22:51Nimdaei take it rolo doesn't work on the 5g?
19:22:51Juice^just look here;
19:23:04Juice^that link was for you dan_a
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19:24:12dan_aJuice^: Thanks for that - I'll look into it
19:24:41Juice^dan_a: no problem, hope you can fix it
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19:25:22Juice^dan_a: wich file contains the keys for the debug menu?
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19:26:21brainiac_ghosti just wanna say, Rockbox ROCKS
19:26:47Nimdaewelcome to rockbox ;)
19:27:14dan_aJuice^: apps/debug_menu.c shows which actions should be used, and then apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c shows which keys map to those actions
19:27:29brainiac_ghosti only got my ipod yesterday, but i wanted to make it play ogg files and rockbox showed up :)
19:27:47Juice^dan_a: thanks
19:29:00Nimdaewhich ipod?
19:29:43Nimdaedan_a: ok, rolo won't work on my 5g so i can't easily switch firmwares, but i do have a way to do it manually, this should let me test further while away from my computer
19:30:08Nimdaei have an unpatched firmware, cop patched firmware, and a cop patched firmware with boosting disabled
19:30:35dan_aNimdae: Thank you - the testing will be very helpful.
19:31:08Nimdaeany particular content you want me to use? like videos using the new decoder and whatnot? (i'd have to make the videos, i have none :( )
19:31:26Juice^Nimdae; there are sample videos online
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19:34:37Nimdaethe resolution ont he ipod 5g is 320x240 right?
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19:41:37Soapthough at that resolution performance will be so low as to make the "granularity" of the testing less than if you used a smaller resolution, Nimdae.
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19:42:22Soapif you use a lower res encode you will be more able to see small changes in performance.
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19:51:00NimdaeSoap: with the cop patch, that should be different
19:51:29Nimdaeheh, i'm gonna use a full length movie broken down into small 20 mb chunks to work around the rebuffer bug
19:51:34Soapno, 320x240 performance will still be lower, thus lower granularity.
19:52:30Soapand if you use the wiki encodes note they are VBR, so unless you measure FPS at the same place each test you will not have useful numbers.
19:52:53NimdaeSoap: well, anyway, i'm not testing the mpegplayer, i'm testing the cop patch
19:53:47Nimdaeand i'm not testing performance either, i'm testing stability
19:53:55SoapYou are using the mpeg player to test, thus you need to pay attention to the variables affecting mpegplayer performance, and account for those.
19:54:09Soapok, I thought you were doing performance, not stability.
19:54:29linuxstbNote that mpegplayer itself is unstable...
19:54:42Nimdaeactually, i'm using a variety of things for testing...i'll use some mp3s, oggs, mpgs, etc
19:54:53linuxstbSo it won't really tell you much about the stability of the COP patch.
19:54:55Nimdaelinuxstb: what else other than the rebuffer bug?
19:55:26Juice^Im working on a new sansa theme :)
19:55:30linuxstbThe threading is buggy. Sometimes the video thread will appear not to start, but I'm 99% sure this is mpepglayer's fault, not the COP patch.
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19:55:54linuxstbMy local version now seems stable in that respect, but somehow I now get strange audio artifacts....
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20:04:56lostlogicamiconn: sooo... gentoo doesn't have a version of gcc that's fixed yet, and I already rebuilt my whole system on the 4.1.1 that's bad, so I can't just bump back down to 3.4.6, so I'm a bit stumped about how to make warnings go away.
20:05:48Juice^is there a fixed size for album art for all players?
20:06:52thegeeklostlogic: can't you have several versions of gcc installed at once?
20:06:53thegeekI do
20:07:43thegeekif you are just going to compile rockbox just install a newever version of gcc but set the system default to 4.1.1
20:08:01SoapJuice^: album art size depends on the WPS.
20:09:20Juice^Soap: im making my own wps
20:09:26Juice^Soap: for the sansa e200
20:09:42Soapthen you can use whatever size you want.
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20:14:51lostlogicthegeek: I have multiple versions installed
20:15:20lostlogicthegeek: the problem is that I don't have sdl compiled for the older one that doesn't throw warnings and I can't make the automatic build scripts use the old one afaics
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21:03:45linuxstbAny ipod mini (1st or 2nd gen) or 4g (greyscale) users around willing to test something?
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21:59:39Lars_GOk there i go, I'm making my first rockbox plugin
22:00:28KCChaha, what will it do?
22:01:27Lars_GNot much, but I'll keep it a secret until it's done. if it takes me more than a week I'll shot myself
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22:01:46Lars_Git's just a way to get familarized with the env, altough someone, somewhere MIGHT find it usefull
22:01:53KCClooking forward to it Lars, keep us posted!
22:02:04linuxstbAh, the open source spirit - release early, release often....
22:02:34Lars_GOk Ok I'll tell what it is, in exchange that you do NOT help me with it unless I ask for it :) I want to immerse myself on the dev env :D
22:02:53KCCI couldnt help ya even if I wanted to :p
22:04:09Lars_Git's going to be a synth, to create a single wave in sin, triangular, sawtooth or square wave form, from about 10Hz to 25Khz (a little bellow and over human hearing)
22:05:12KCCsounds interesting lars, again we're looking forward to it!
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22:05:39linuxstbI can't help you either then...
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22:05:49Lars_GAnd I just got an idea, once it's working I'll duplicate it, and use it as the basis of a binaural rythm generator.
22:05:51Lars_GWell thanks, off to start. see you
22:06:05KCCgood luck, have fun
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22:15:00BiptoNlinuxstb: you still here?
22:15:15Lars_GI don't see a section on plugin arch in the dev docs, am I blind?
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22:16:01linuxstbLars_G: No... It's mostly undocumented. You'll need to read the source to other plugins...
22:16:18Lars_GI'm basing off metronome.c anyhow
22:17:32Juice^is there any easy way to preview the included fonts for rockbox?
22:17:40Juice^a windows app etc
22:18:10BHSPitMonkeyyou could use a rockbox sim...
22:18:39Lars_GOh and btw today I found the PERFECT font for japanese+english
22:18:46Lars_GMaybe i should upload it to the forum?
22:19:06BHSPitMonkeyis it in the right format?
22:19:21Lars_GI can provide either bdf or fnt files
22:19:31Lars_Gfnt for users, bdf for the compiler
22:19:44linuxstbLars_G: The patch tracker would be a better place. Assuming the license would allow inclusion in Rockbox.
22:20:00Lars_GAfaik it will, it's an open license but I'll double check before I upload them
22:20:55linuxstbBest to include a link to the license if you can.
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22:24:35Lloreanlinuxstb: I think that if anything the IpodInstallation pages could move to IpodInstallationOld if there are some targets they're better for, and the Beta to the main page.
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22:25:07LloreanBut this is because people seem to have a problem reading bright red warning text for some unknown reason.
22:26:41linuxstbThe IpodInstallation pages still work for more targets than IpodInstallationBeta...
22:26:46TerrorByteSo, anything new for the iRiver H10?
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22:27:02Lars_GTo link to the license directly, I would have to link to a sourceforge-japan CVS file, I prefer to include the license in the file (as the license asks) and copy the text in the patch message
22:27:08Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought that the only one that couldn't boot Rockbox with the Beta was, maybe, the 3G?
22:27:08linuxstbi.e. dual-boot appears to be broken for the 1st/2nd gen mini and 4g greyscale.
22:27:33linuxstbI thought you read the forums? :) There are lots of complaints about that.
22:27:41TerrorByteNothing new?
22:27:48Lloreanlinuxstb: My concern is that the Old installation instructions don't boot Rockbox itself for the 5.5G which is a more widespread target than the 3G. I was weighing on "Which ones boot Rockbox" rather than 'Which ones boot Retail as well"
22:28:03Lars_Glinuxstb: What do you say, do I upload the font files in zip format, as a patch, or both
22:28:34LloreanThough I have seen more complaints about the grayscale targets not booting retail, I'm seeing a beginning trend of people not having 5.5G work because they used the old bootloader.
22:29:33LloreanI'll go add a note about the 5.5G instead, that might help
22:29:50linuxstbBut are they all following our instructions, or third-party install instructions and/or installers?
22:30:36Lloreanlinuxstb: At least one of them was just following the instructions on the ipodinstallation page. Your latest ipodpatcher there works for 5.5G, but I guess the bootloader-video.bin itself doesn't.
22:30:59Lars_Gyou insinuate there's people other than (a few) programmers, able to follow directions?
22:31:04Lars_GI mean, there's people that read?
22:31:17LloreanLars_G: It doesn't count if they read the wrong thing, don't worry.
22:31:21linuxstbThe ipodpatcher there doesn't work IIRC... It just has much fewer safety checks.
22:31:21Lars_GSorry, Life has turned me into a cynic
22:31:46Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, that's what I meant by "works." You get bootloader text, blue background black text, and it hangs at "Loading Rockbox" or so.
22:31:46linuxstb(unless there's an unofficially patched version)
22:32:00Lars_Glinuxstb: What do you think about my question? specially considering there fonts are "binary" and thus ugly inside a .patch
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22:32:18linuxstbLars_G: I think just uploading a .zip is fine.
22:32:30Lloreanlinuxstb: It got to Loading Rockbox... and then stopped, apparently
22:32:31Lars_GYeah, thanks
22:32:56LloreanThe saddest thing is that the guy was following the proper instructions, got confused by Vista's security features, got that worked out, and then when he went back, followed the old ones.
22:33:06LloreanHe may have even used the new iPodPatcher, now that I think of it.
22:33:14linuxstbThat Vista thing just seems insane...
22:33:25LloreanBut there have been at least 1 or 2 other people that ended up with old bootloaders on 5.5G somehow too.
22:34:03LloreanDeleting the ipod_fw for 5.5G from the installation page might cover everything.
22:34:27linuxstbOne problem is that we don't distinguish anywhere between 5g and 5.5g - because the new instructions are identical on both...
22:34:44linuxstbSo if people find the old instructions, they may not even know they have a 5.5g.
22:35:02LloreanIt'd be nice if people just read the manual.
22:35:19LloreanBut there's like, tutorials everywhere, or other sites just direct-linking to the IpodInstallation page, etc.
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22:36:12LloreanMy favorite confusion is that the instructions say to replace [device] with the number and everyone reads to replace device with the number, and puts the number inside the [ ].
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22:36:31linuxstbI just read the latest case...
22:36:39LloreanI honestly don't think people are capable of taking things literally any more.
22:38:29amiconnlinuxstb: The mic should imho be just called mic for _all_ targets capable of recording, except the irivers
22:39:00amiconnOnly the irivers have both an internal mic _and_ can handle microphone levels on their external input
22:39:51linuxstbAny idea about the H10?
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22:40:02amiconnNo, sorry
22:40:19Lloreanamiconn: What about the Sansa, mightn't it be able to?
22:40:20linuxstbThat got recording the same time as the ipods.
22:40:32LloreanDepending on the line-in levels (if it has one?)
22:41:19amiconnAfaiu, naming the mic 'internal mic' is for disambiguation purposes, and hence only necessary on targets which can handle both internal and external mics
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22:41:47amiconnThe ipods capable of recording don't have internal mics, and the archoses with internal mics have pure line-in
22:42:03LloreanThe Sansas have an internal one, but I have no idea what they can handle from external.
22:43:13linuxstbSo it should be *: "Mic" ; h100,h120,h300: "Internal Mic" ?
22:43:31linuxstbAnd then we fix the H10 if needed when someone is around...
22:45:44Lars_GLet me know if you find the report correct
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22:49:07linuxstbamiconn: OK, committed.
22:50:24tamacrackerim totally satisfied with my mp3 player with rockbox now :D
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22:51:53tamacrackerthe only thing that needs to be tweak is Equalizer, the continuous play, and also startin off from the last time the Toshiba was turned off.
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22:53:32perldiverwhats wrong with equalizer?
22:53:41perldiverand continuos play?
22:54:08perldiverand start playing after turn on is in the options
22:56:15Lars_Glinuxstb: Should I include the license text on the ticket too?
22:56:50tamacrackerit's in the option
22:56:54tamacrackeryeah continuous play
22:56:56tamacrackeras in
22:57:00tamacrackeronce an album is over
22:57:04tamacrackerit should go onto the next album.
22:57:15perldiverthat option is in the settins as well
22:57:20tamacrackerwith mine... it just repeats the album
22:57:25tamacrackeroh cool
22:57:29perldiveryou might want to take a look in the manual
22:57:43perldiverand read about all the available options
22:57:51tamacrackerand the EQ... it's hard to explain, im not sayin it's bad... I just don't specifically know how to work the EQ for my system.
22:57:53tamacrackerin my car that is.
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22:58:06perldiverstart from flat
22:58:19Juice^maby .log files could be opened in the viewer as default like txt files?
22:58:38perldiveruse treble/bass, if still not satisfied move to simple EQ settings or EQ presets
22:59:00tamacrackeryeah it's gonna have to be EQ presets... the treble some how boosts the bass
22:59:15perldiverthats not possible
22:59:38tamacrackeri dunno? but it did.
22:59:40perldiveri mean highly doubtful
22:59:53perldiver(everything is possible)
22:59:59tamacrackerit did the treble but also the bass
22:59:59Lars_GAny dev oppinion on including the license on the ticket iself?
23:00:36Lloreantamacracker: Do you mean the actual "treble" setting, or the high shelf in the EQ?
23:00:46tamacrackernope the treble :)
23:00:59Lloreantamacracker: As for your "not moving from folder to folder", make sure the option to follow folders is on, but also make sure that repeat is off.
23:01:00tamacrackerhold on
23:01:02tamacrackerill turn it on
23:01:08tamacrackerand tell you exactly what it is.
23:01:21tamacrackerthanks Llorean
23:01:43Lloreantamacracker: Treble and Bass both make use of hardware features, so if "Treble" also boosts Bass, it's because the hardware itself does that.
23:01:48perldivertamacracker id still suggest to start from reading the manual
23:02:37tamacrackeri will peridiver
23:02:50tamacrackerunderstood Llorean
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23:03:56perldiverbecause i saw people on mygigabeat forums how they unistalled rockbox after 5 minutes of use
23:04:43tamacrackerthat's because they're useless
23:04:49tamacrackerthe people that is
23:04:52tamacrackerlol but im jokin
23:04:57perldiverno, thats because they dont want to read
23:04:59tamacrackerim really happy with it
23:05:05*amiconn wonders what the deal is with those player-brand forums/communities
23:05:15perldiveramiconn what do you mean?
23:05:25amiconnmistic river, iaudiophile, mygigabeat ...
23:05:40tamacracker<,< i dont have the option to continue onto a new folder
23:05:40perldiveroh, uh, they are just...erm...forums?
23:06:02perldivertamacracker, manual is your friend
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23:06:28Lloreanamiconn: I've never quite gotten them. It's like the brand is somehow more important than the actual hardware, and in many cases they're a bit of a rabid lot.
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23:06:41perldiverbecause we can spend all day here typing what each settings does for you as you move along with your needs for the player
23:06:45Mikachui think the word you're looking for is fanboy
23:07:09tamacrackerit would be in the knowledgemap?
23:07:14*amiconn doesn't know whether there are equivalent forums for ipods and/or archoses
23:07:17perldiverlet me link you
23:07:20tamacrackeryes please
23:07:26tamacrackerfor the toshiba gigabeat
23:07:50Bagderamiconn: the archoses certainly has had them but are a dying breed now
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23:07:52Bagderand ipods forums are plenty
23:07:56Lars_Gtime to go, see you
23:08:00amiconnThere are newer archoses as well
23:08:03perldiverthey are HUGE forums for ipods
23:08:14Lars_GI hope you find the little font enjoyable :D
23:08:16Bagdertrue, and there are forums for them too but I've never bothered
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23:10:22DarkPlayHello, What budget headphones recommended?
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23:12:47tamacrackerLOL This manual rocks.
23:12:55tamacrackerthere's soo many damn features.
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23:13:19Juice^Is the mpegplayer depending on the mp3 player to have lots of cache/memory for playing large files? how is the restrictions
23:13:23tamacrackerwhy wont you guys just hire an engineer to use the same hardware as the ipods or whatever mp3 player, and have your own production line?
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23:13:55Bagdertamacracker: feel free to do so
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23:14:25tamacrackerto do what? >.>
23:14:29Bagder"just hire an engineer"
23:14:33tamacrackeroh heh
23:14:36xorAxAxhmm, my nano displays an "attention" road sign and an apple URL on boot
23:14:48tamacrackerbut seriously, you guys do great work man
23:14:48gotthardthey perldiver
23:14:54xorAxAxwhen i attach it to my linux, reading sda yields IO errors in some sectors
23:14:54perldivergotthardt hey hey
23:15:06tamacrackernothing's better than being able to fully control your mp3 player.
23:15:08xorAxAxipodpatcher fails as well and only gets 20 kB
23:15:21gotthardthave you tried the latest build? i was hoping to get you feedback on the button lights
23:15:36xorAxAxshould i try the emergency procedure (booting from ROM)?
23:15:38perldivergotthardt was about to try it
23:15:52xorAxAx(there was rockbox installed on it)
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23:15:54perldivergotthardt any news about that wps bug? people asking about all the time
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23:16:33gotthardti took a look but nothing popped out at me - i asked sloth but he was sure it wasnt dma -
23:17:03tamacracker<,< i like the replaygain.
23:17:07gotthardti have some more to do on the button lights before i take another look - hopefully another dev can take a look
23:19:31xorAxAxdoes anyone have an idea? :-(
23:19:37tamacracker>.> i like the fact that it automatically pauses the song if the earjack unplugs
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23:20:06perldivergotthardt ok let me try it now
23:21:13LloreanxorAxAx: If you're getting IO errors, it sounds like hardware concerns, doesn't it?
23:22:39perldivergotthardt btw whats the status of dual boot option?
23:22:52gotthardtnone that i know of
23:23:06xorAxAxLlorean: yes, possible
23:23:09xorAxAxnow i am in disk mode
23:23:29xorAxAx sda: Current: sense key: Medium Error
23:23:33perldivergotthardt any other updates i should pay attention to with the latest build?
23:23:34tamacrackerhey guys, when you change the wps...
23:23:34xorAxAxhmm, broken flash?
23:23:41tamacrackerdo you need to shut off the mp3 player?
23:23:46gotthardtthe fade goes all the way off
23:23:50tamacrackerin order to get the changes to take place?
23:23:59perldivergotthardt testing
23:24:02gotthardtperldiver: you can chose which leds
23:24:12d47tama: just open the menu>browse themes and select 1
23:24:54tamacrackerthe themes that came with rockbox do not work.
23:25:20d47tama: how do they not work? any errors?
23:25:29gotthardtperldiver: use the info/debug to adjust
23:25:36tamacrackeriCatcher, rockbox_default, and Uni Catcher
23:25:40tamacrackernope, no errors
23:25:54d47tama: yes, but whats wrong with them
23:26:03tamacrackeruh nothin... they just don't change.
23:26:15tamacrackerright now im using the beatMP_girl
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23:26:25d47tama: oh, well have you tried restarting?
23:26:36tamacrackernegative, im gonna do that right now
23:27:03tamacrackeroh i see
23:27:17tamacrackerit changes when you start to play a track
23:27:17tamacrackerit doesn't change instantly while in the menu optiojns
23:27:23perldivergotthardt wow
23:27:29perldivergotthardt damn cool
23:27:42gotthardtthanks - worth the wait?
23:28:16gotthardtim tweaking things now - any input?
23:28:22perldiverhold on
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23:29:31perldivershould they always stay on?
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23:30:12gotthardtim makeing another mode that follows the backlight
23:30:46gotthardtwont folllow in realtime but should go off when backlight does
23:30:53perldiverso this stuff lcd does turn off completely after fade?
23:31:13gotthardtthe backlight turns all the way off
23:31:24gotthardti dont have the LCD all the way off yet
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23:31:48gotthardtthat will touch different areas of the code - havent got there yet
23:31:51tamacrackerAlso just a heads up, there's a bug in the MP_Girl theme for the Gigabeat, the progress bar is in the wrong location
23:31:54pixelmatamacracker: did you install the fonts package? Otherwise the appearance in the file browser or menus won't change
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23:32:12perldivergotthardt, hehe, read what tamacracker just said
23:32:19perldiverim getting this all day :\
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23:32:37gotthardtyep -
23:32:43tamacrackerpixelma i did... the font has to be smaller just so it can fit in their proper areas of the gui.. if that makes any sense
23:33:14tamacrackeror not gui but theme.
23:33:23perldiverflicker option is way cool heh
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23:34:56webguest21odd request - has anyone with an Ondio made a .txt file (or files) with button configurations for the Chip-8 emulator?
23:35:12perldivergotthardt personally i dont need them to go all the way to off, i like to see the player in the complete darkness
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23:35:30gotthardtperldiver: did you try FAINT
23:35:39perldiversure, im using it now
23:35:47wordisbirthedhi, i have a question
23:35:56wordisbirthedi'm a total linux noob and i'm trying to compile a build
23:36:01wordisbirthedhow do i include a path?
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23:36:08wordisbirthedin a directory
23:36:21linuxstb_Juice^: Try the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
23:36:59Bagderwordisbirthed: try the docs link on the rockbox site, it has lots of info about such
23:37:40SvenDowideithello, I can't find any mention of it on the twiki - does Rockbox support the USB host mode on the iRiver h340 ? I'm about to go travelling, and need the host mode to back up my photos.
23:37:51BagderSvenDowideit: no it doesn't
23:37:56SvenDowideitpoop :)
23:38:06Bagderbut it supports dual-boot
23:38:12Bagderso you can boot iriver for that purpose
23:38:15perldivergotthardt very sexy update overall
23:38:16SvenDowideitis there a technical problem? or 'justa' coding need
23:38:32*Llorean suspects that he has more storage in the form of SD cards than he has free space on his iRiver anyway.
23:38:41tamacrackeryou know what im gonna have to attempt to do right? >.> put a full movie into my mp3 player
23:38:42gotthardtburned most of my saturday on that
23:38:43LloreanI think they're reproducing.
23:38:50perldivergotthardt ouch
23:39:10gotthardtbut i love it...
23:39:17perldiverdo you have any idea who can really take a look at that wps thing?
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23:39:17Lloreantamacracker: It won't do much good yet unless you encode the video and audio both at about 32kbps.
23:39:25tamacrackeroh >.>
23:39:30tamacrackerill just wait :)
23:39:41pixelmaLlorean: if these are slim SDs you could use them in an Ondio (IIUC)
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23:40:30pixelmaoh well... I stand corrected... "thin SDs"
23:40:50perldivergotthardt but im pretty sure it was debauched_sloth who broke it though :P
23:41:17Lloreanpixelma: They're full size ones. They just seem to pile up. I get one free, a gadget comes with another, and so on. About half of them are mini SD with adapter from phones and stuff.
23:41:21gotthardtoh - could be, too bad hes out for the week - think hes in miami....
23:41:34*Llorean doesn't own an Ondio.
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23:54:16DarkPlaywhat better: Senz MX350, Sony E818, or AKG K12P
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23:55:30LloreanDarkPlay: Try a place dedicated to headphones. This is primarily a channel for the support an development of a specific piece of software.
23:56:03DarkPlaythere no place deticated to headphones
23:56:16FebsSure there is.
23:56:25DarkPlayi mean, on irc
23:56:31LloreanWell, then start one.
23:56:44DarkPlaygot no bot
23:56:56LloreanBut just because you can't find an appropriate place doesn't mean you should go to an inappropriate place to ask you questions.
23:57:37Mouser_XWhat does having a bot have to do with starting an IRC channel?
23:57:50hen3rzooooo my wps skin was added to rockbox themes
23:58:08LloreanY'know, if you just used the wiki, you could add it instantly...
23:58:08hen3rzTranquil v0.1
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23:58:47hen3rzineed a username and password or something
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