| 00:00:12 | hen3rz | mouser hows ur winamp skin going |
| 00:00:29 | Mouser_X | The "main" window looks pretty good. |
| 00:00:43 | Mouser_X | I'll probably doing some shifting, possibly, to make room for additional data fields. |
| 00:00:43 | xorAxAx | can rockbox play flac files? |
| 00:00:50 | Mouser_X | YEs. |
| 00:00:56 | * | xorAxAx fixed his problem by reflashing the apple firmware |
| 00:01:00 | xorAxAx | Mouser_X: out of the box? |
| 00:01:05 | hen3rz | yes |
| 00:01:13 | xorAxAx | how about .cue files? :) |
| 00:01:14 | Febs | No. |
| 00:01:18 | xorAxAx | a pity |
| 00:01:23 | Llorean | Why? |
| 00:01:31 | Llorean | You can play back gaplessly just fine without them. :-P |
| 00:01:39 | xorAxAx | Llorean: but not mp3 files :) |
| 00:01:44 | Llorean | Yes, you can. |
| 00:01:47 | xorAxAx | nope |
| 00:01:51 | Llorean | As long as they're encoded in LAME> |
| 00:01:52 | Febs | LAME encoded MP3 files play gaplessly in Rockbox. |
| 00:01:56 | xorAxAx | yes, thats incompatible :) |
| 00:02:01 | xorAxAx | i mean, its a lame extension |
| 00:02:03 | Bagder | incompatible with what? |
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| 00:02:18 | Llorean | xorAxAx: Yes, but that doesn't mean that it's not able to be done. |
| 00:02:20 | xorAxAx | the old german standard that they registered with iso ... ;-) |
| 00:02:24 | xorAxAx | yes, ok |
| 00:02:24 | Bagder | yes, but a very good and sane one |
| 00:02:28 | xorAxAx | of course |
| 00:02:34 | Llorean | Besides, if you want lossy gapless, MP3 is a silly format anyway |
| 00:02:35 | xorAxAx | hmm, how can i cut my flac/cue? |
| 00:02:42 | xorAxAx | why? |
| 00:02:55 | Llorean | Because actual lossy formats that properly support gapless exist? |
| 00:03:00 | xorAxAx | yeah |
| 00:03:38 | Llorean | How many players support MP3+CUE but not Ogg/Vorbis? I'm sure there are a few, but I can't imagine it's many. |
| 00:04:03 | Febs | How many players support MP3+Cue, period? |
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| 00:04:14 | * | xorAxAx does apt-get install cuetools |
| 00:04:33 | | Part Deft |
| 00:04:41 | xorAxAx | Febs: hmm, foobar2K does :) |
| 00:04:53 | Febs | I meant portable players. |
| 00:06:02 | xorAxAx | nobody wants to cut my flac files ... |
| 00:06:31 | xorAxAx | hydrogenaudio rocks wrt such questions ... |
| 00:07:25 | Llorean | I'm betting less support CUE+MP3 than gapless vorbis play right now. :-P |
| 00:07:48 | Llorean | But only because Rockbox probably supports more players than the former case. :) |
| 00:08:28 | xorAxAx | hmm, shntool rocks |
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| 00:09:55 | tamacracker | this may sound like a really really stupid question.. but i can't find the theme page on rockbox.org <,< |
| 00:10:00 | tamacracker | where is it? |
| 00:10:32 | Llorean | It the WpsGallery on the wiki |
| 00:10:57 | tamacracker | oh lol wiki |
| 00:10:58 | tamacracker | sorry |
| 00:11:00 | tamacracker | <,< |
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| 00:12:52 | tamacracker | Jsunu is nice. |
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| 00:13:29 | Nico_P | xorAxAx: cuesheet support is in the works |
| 00:13:34 | xorAxAx | cool |
| 00:13:44 | Nico_P | there is already a quite useable patch |
| 00:14:00 | Nico_P | and i'd be glad if you could test it with flac files too |
| 00:15:03 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6460 |
| 00:15:40 | Mouser_X | Talking about cue support, processor speeds aside, what's the feasibility of archive support? Like, if I had song stored in a ZIP or RAR, could Rockbox load the ZIP or RAR (or 7z, for that matter) as a directory (or something) and play the files in it? |
| 00:15:55 | Mouser_X | Obviously, this would take a lot of CPU power, to extract the contents. |
| 00:16:38 | Llorean | Mouser_X: That seems a bit excessive. |
| 00:16:43 | Bagder | I'd say it would be a pointless feature and would much rather see zip or 7z extraction plugins |
| 00:17:07 | xorAxAx | Mouser_X: hmm, where is the point? :) |
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| 00:17:28 | Mouser_X | Well, the biggest reason I'm wondering, is because many files (SPCs, and PSFs, mainly) save a ton of space, when in an acrhive. |
| 00:17:28 | xorAxAx | Mouser_X: at least zip files will just have the files stored (not deflated) |
| 00:17:41 | xorAxAx | ah, SPCs, heh |
| 00:18:01 | Mouser_X | Less than 100 MB of RARs, and I have over 20,000 songs. |
| 00:18:11 | Mouser_X | Extract all that, and it's a TON bigger. |
| 00:18:34 | amiconn | Even 7z doesn't come near the compression ratio of a dedicated lossless audio compressor like flac or wavpack |
| 00:19:08 | xorAxAx | amiconn: yeah, but flac cant pack spcs |
| 00:19:22 | Mouser_X | I wouldn't expect to ever have MP3s, or any streaming form of media/music in an archive. |
| 00:19:23 | * | amiconn wonders what spc |
| 00:19:25 | amiconn | is |
| 00:19:31 | xorAxAx | gameboy music |
| 00:19:32 | Mouser_X | I agree, that would be fairly stupid. |
| 00:19:33 | xorAxAx | i guess |
| 00:19:35 | tamacracker | hey guys |
| 00:19:42 | Mouser_X | SNES music, not Gameboy. |
| 00:19:46 | tamacracker | the Jsunu |
| 00:20:01 | Mouser_X | SPC700 is the audio processing unit of the SNES. |
| 00:20:08 | tamacracker | shouldn't that go into the .rockbox? |
| 00:20:21 | tamacracker | or should it be outside of the .rockbox? |
| 00:20:32 | tamacracker | it has it's own template folder as well. |
| 00:20:51 | ruisu | hi, i cant seem to understand very ell the instructions on translating the lang files..., i copied the perl genlang, and use $ perl genlang -u espanol.lng, but as I can see, they are not between tags :( |
| 00:20:51 | hen3rz | copy the .rocbox folder over the .rockbox folder |
| 00:21:02 | hen3rz | the tempalte folder is just screen shots |
| 00:21:06 | tamacracker | oh ok |
| 00:21:07 | hen3rz | its otherwise useless |
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| 00:21:36 | tamacracker | so take the .rockbox folder's files and cut them and paste them into the .rockbox from the mp3 player? |
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| 00:21:45 | Mouser_X | Howdy HCS. |
| 00:21:51 | hcs | hiyas |
| 00:22:44 | hen3rz | tamacracker: once u get that theme running, can u tell me if the seeker bar is out of alignment? |
| 00:22:53 | tamacracker | lol |
| 00:22:58 | tamacracker | the way it's setup |
| 00:23:03 | Nico_P | xorAxAx: would you agree to test the cuesheet patch with your flac files ? |
| 00:23:04 | tamacracker | it's gonna over right my other themes. |
| 00:23:10 | tamacracker | overwrite. |
| 00:23:25 | tamacracker | the way it's zipped. |
| 00:23:46 | hen3rz | nah it wont |
| 00:23:54 | tamacracker | it needs to go into my wps folder yes? |
| 00:24:00 | xorAxAx | Nico_P: no, too busy :) |
| 00:24:23 | hen3rz | tamacracker: unless you have files in those directories with the exact same file name it wont. it will just place its files inside the directory. |
| 00:24:35 | ruisu | >< i want to help finishing the espanol.lng :) but i cant understand how to :P |
| 00:24:38 | tamacracker | oooo |
| 00:24:39 | tamacracker | that's true. |
| 00:24:46 | Jsunu | the Jsunu template files are just images that can change your background |
| 00:24:56 | tamacracker | don't mind me man... im just being too careful with my mp3 player. |
| 00:25:26 | tamacracker | too careful = pussified in messin with specific files |
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| 00:26:15 | hen3rz | jsunu: i dunno if its just my player but the seeker bar is out of alignment ever so slightley. i like ur design alot though. very clean and tidy |
| 00:26:25 | tamacracker | yeah it is. |
| 00:26:39 | tamacracker | /media/GIGABEAT/.rockbox/.rockbox <- incorrect yes? |
| 00:26:56 | Jsunu | its a problem with the cvs builds, all the seeker bars with bmp images are misaligned :( |
| 00:27:12 | tamacracker | oh... |
| 00:27:16 | tamacracker | also |
| 00:27:16 | hen3rz | jsunu: bah what a pain |
| 00:27:22 | tamacracker | it's tryin to overwrite. |
| 00:27:26 | tamacracker | my folders. |
| 00:27:28 | ruisu | hello? |
| 00:27:42 | tamacracker | the way the files were zipped would overwrite. |
| 00:27:54 | tamacracker | or just "add" onto the root folder. |
| 00:28:01 | hen3rz | "add" |
| 00:28:42 | tamacracker | /media/GIGABEAT/Jsunu beta .1 <- incorrect, yes? |
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| 00:29:11 | Jsunu | you overwrite the .rockbox folder |
| 00:29:17 | tamacracker | but... |
| 00:29:31 | tamacracker | won't i lose my other .rockbox files? |
| 00:29:33 | Jsunu | nope |
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| 00:29:55 | Jsunu | it just copies the specific wps files |
| 00:30:11 | tamacracker | so basically take the .rockbox folder out from the Jsunu beta .1 folder and paste it into my root.. it'll ask me to overwrite .rockbox and click yes to all? |
| 00:30:18 | Jsunu | yup |
| 00:30:21 | hen3rz | tamacracker: yes to all |
| 00:30:25 | tamacracker | ok |
| 00:31:14 | tamacracker | >.> |
| 00:31:18 | tamacracker | thanks :D |
| 00:31:29 | tamacracker | now gonna test out your theme :P |
| 00:31:36 | tamacracker | i like how it's simple. |
| 00:31:51 | tamacracker | plus that's the default ubuntu background image :D |
| 00:32:11 | Jsunu | oh thanks, i only worked with it for a limited time and stop development to fix pixel |
| 00:32:11 | * | Mouser_X is using Pixel on the simulator build that he has... |
| 00:32:20 | hen3rz | tamacracker: you running ubuntu? ubuntu awesome eh! |
| 00:32:27 | tamacracker | i love ubuntu |
| 00:32:29 | tamacracker | Jsunu |
| 00:32:30 | tamacracker | lol |
| 00:32:31 | tamacracker | your theme |
| 00:32:35 | Mouser_X | Jsunu: I like Pixel. |
| 00:32:38 | tamacracker | actually works without a problem what so ever. |
| 00:32:46 | perldiver | Jsunu |
| 00:32:46 | Mouser_X | I'll probably use it on my Gigabeat, when it comes. |
| 00:32:48 | perldiver | hey |
| 00:33:05 | perldiver | we need to wait for debauched_sloth to fix that wps issue i think |
| 00:33:13 | perldiver | he's gonna be back sometimes next week |
| 00:33:15 | Mouser_X | That is, until/if I finish my Winamp styled WPS. |
| 00:33:18 | tamacracker | oh damn, you're right Jsunu |
| 00:33:24 | tamacracker | the progress bar |
| 00:33:50 | tamacracker | Mouser_X that would f'n rock.. Winamp looking theme for gigabeat |
| 00:33:58 | tamacracker | lol that's really unique :D |
| 00:34:30 | Jsunu | perldiver, thats great, i stop working on anything until its fixed |
| 00:34:32 | Mouser_X | It looks good so far, but I don't know how functional it is. I'm no where near the coding of the WPS stuff yet. |
| 00:34:36 | Nimdae | "Trash Metal" should be "Thrash Metal". Reported as FS #6503, checked against Winamp. |
| 00:34:40 | Nimdae | that is amusing |
| 00:34:40 | Nimdae | XD |
| 00:35:02 | perldiver | Jsunu yeah everybody did |
| 00:35:33 | tamacracker | Jsunu |
| 00:35:37 | tamacracker | you know how the background is blue? |
| 00:35:49 | Jsunu | ? |
| 00:35:56 | tamacracker | which file is that? so if I wanted to change it to an actual picture |
| 00:36:13 | Mouser_X | It's usually in the "backdrops" folder. |
| 00:36:26 | Mouser_X | .rockbox/backdrop/ |
| 00:36:35 | Mouser_X | (IIRC) |
| 00:36:36 | Nimdae | i've been considering reworking the wps i made for my ipod for distribution |
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| 00:37:08 | tamacracker | ok |
| 00:37:15 | Nimdae | very simple, easy on resources, and functional |
| 00:37:22 | hen3rz | mmm i put mine up yesterday, i figured there would have to be at elast 1 person looking for the same thing i had |
| 00:37:28 | tamacracker | hm... it' blank |
| 00:37:31 | tamacracker | 0x0 lol |
| 00:37:56 | Jsunu | err |
| 00:38:18 | Jsunu | it should be Jsunu.bmp in the backdrop folder |
| 00:38:27 | tamacracker | oh it is. |
| 00:38:33 | tamacracker | but when i open it |
| 00:38:37 | tamacracker | its just a blank page. |
| 00:38:40 | Jsunu | weird |
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| 00:38:44 | Llorean | For solid color backdrops, you don't need a backdrop image... |
| 00:39:05 | Jsunu | is this for the menu or wps? |
| 00:39:07 | Llorean | Either |
| 00:39:20 | tamacracker | for both? |
| 00:39:20 | tamacracker | for example |
| 00:39:25 | tamacracker | see the mp_girl |
| 00:39:43 | tamacracker | how it's an image of... booty. |
| 00:40:08 | tamacracker | i was wondering if i can do the same but not lose that "opacity" that it has over the image. |
| 00:40:10 | hen3rz | to change the wps background |
| 00:40:21 | Jsunu | you have to open it in photoshop |
| 00:40:27 | tamacracker | cool |
| 00:40:29 | | Part Llorean |
| 00:40:30 | Jsunu | then delete the first layer and input girls etc. |
| 00:40:53 | Jsunu | then save over the defult bmps |
| 00:41:11 | tamacracker | and it'll still have that low opacity overlay on top of the image? |
| 00:41:16 | Jsunu | should have |
| 00:41:21 | tamacracker | sweet |
| 00:41:54 | * | Genre9mp3 points to amiconn this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OldPluginIndex and also wonders why it hasn't been updated yet |
| 00:42:34 | Genre9mp3 | ^after my change to PluginDatabox and PluginBatteryTest I mean |
| 00:43:32 | tamacracker | Pixel reminds me of Unix |
| 00:43:42 | tamacracker | just plain and simple... too plain and simple :P |
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| 00:45:45 | Jsunu | if you have problems just dublicated the layer and add a backdrop |
| 00:47:05 | Jsunu | anyway g2g, ask people around if you have problems |
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| 00:56:25 | xorAxAx | hmm, my rockbox stalled while writing the config |
| 00:56:33 | xorAxAx | or how long should it take? |
| 00:56:39 | xorAxAx | it is still playing music, though |
| 00:56:50 | xorAxAx | and backlight is responding :) |
| 00:56:57 | hen3rz | it shouldnt take too long |
| 00:57:17 | xorAxAx | *reboot* |
| 00:57:24 | xorAxAx | all settings gone :-( |
| 00:57:36 | xorAxAx | related to background db update? |
| 00:57:50 | xorAxAx | no, settings still there :) |
| 00:58:23 | xorAxAx | hmm, now i am trying it again, it still doesnt work |
| 00:58:39 | xorAxAx | daily build ... |
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| 01:11:52 | scorche | english please, and less spamming |
| 01:12:01 | scorche | or just be a spammer... |
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| 01:38:12 | ruisu | lol damn spammer :P |
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| 01:42:33 | hollerDUB | i know i already changed my nick |
| 01:43:01 | hollerDUB | the little advanced settings deal on your irc java app might not save changes or somethign |
| 01:43:57 | hollerDUB | so my friend tells me that your rockbox deal is pretty sweet |
| 01:44:17 | hollerDUB | anyone wanna give me some quick yes/no/elaborate if ya want type of questions? |
| 01:44:35 | hollerDUB | i mean answers |
| 01:44:39 | hollerDUB | to my questions? |
| 01:44:46 | hen3rz | what questions? |
| 01:45:13 | hollerDUB | ok, im speaking about a ipod video |
| 01:45:28 | hollerDUB | but is there still the hdd support |
| 01:45:30 | hen3rz | i only have experience with a gigabeat |
| 01:45:31 | hollerDUB | in windows |
| 01:45:36 | hollerDUB | oh.... |
| 01:45:45 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 01:45:47 | tamacracker | ipod sucks |
| 01:45:51 | tamacracker | lol jk |
| 01:45:58 | Mikachu | haha that was funny do another one |
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| 01:46:29 | hollerDUB | huh? |
| 01:46:30 | tamacracker | but seriously.. they're overrated. |
| 01:46:42 | hollerDUB | anyways, i want to know if you can still use it as a removable mass storage device |
| 01:46:52 | hollerDUB | and still do all the rockbox music crap |
| 01:46:53 | Mikachu | moreso than with the apple firmware |
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| 01:46:56 | hollerDUB | *stuff* |
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| 01:47:09 | Mikachu | you just copy files over, and then you can play them in rockbox |
| 01:47:10 | hollerDUB | yeah, they are overrated' |
| 01:47:31 | hollerDUB | im saying, i use my 60 gig for only about 30 gigs of music right now |
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| 01:47:41 | hollerDUB | i use it to rape work bandwidth |
| 01:47:45 | hollerDUB | and move data back home |
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| 01:47:48 | hollerDUB | like 5 gigs a aday |
| 01:48:08 | hollerDUB | so i really need the removable mass storage device deal |
| 01:48:39 | hollerDUB | err, compatibility |
| 01:49:00 | Mikachu | you can dualboot |
| 01:49:07 | hollerDUB | hh yeah |
| 01:49:14 | hollerDUB | i just did a light skim of the site |
| 01:49:18 | hollerDUB | i rememeber reading that |
| 01:49:26 | Mikachu | skim harder, saves us some typing |
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| 01:49:35 | hollerDUB | but once i get my other hd, imma take all the data and backup any music on my ipod |
| 01:49:50 | hollerDUB | and definitely go box |
| 01:49:57 | hollerDUB | once you go box, you never go back |
| 01:49:57 | fasmaie | hollerDUB: you can use your iPOd as a mass storage device with RB on it |
| 01:50:07 | fasmaie | The only issue really is the battery time |
| 01:50:07 | hollerDUB | my friend told me that |
| 01:50:12 | hollerDUB | and i was all like, WTF? |
| 01:50:19 | hollerDUB | and so he told me about rockbox |
| 01:50:29 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:50:29 | * | Mikachu goes to talk to a wall |
| 01:50:39 | fasmaie | hollerDUB: I started using RB on my old iPOd and I cannot stand the old (apple) interface anymore |
| 01:50:59 | hollerDUB | later mika foo |
| 01:51:12 | fasmaie | Except for the fact that I get about half the playing time in RB than I did with the original firmware |
| 01:51:18 | hollerDUB | i thought that they only had support for 4th gen and up |
| 01:51:41 | hollerDUB | that sucks |
| 01:51:43 | Mouser_X | Rockbox doesn't work on the 80 GB iPods yet. |
| 01:51:45 | fasmaie | Yeah...I was talking about my old 4th gen |
| 01:51:50 | hollerDUB | they dont have as good of power managemtn as ol apple, huh? |
| 01:51:58 | Mouser_X | Not yet. |
| 01:52:07 | fasmaie | Well, not yet |
| 01:52:15 | fasmaie | as Mouser_X says |
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| 01:52:21 | Mouser_X | Everything they've done, has been done using speculation, and experimentation. |
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| 01:52:24 | hollerDUB | hey Mouser_X , are those 80 gigs considered ipod video, or like 6th gen? |
| 01:52:44 | Mouser_X | As far as I know, they're an iPod video. |
| 01:52:48 | fasmaie | hollerDUB: the 80 GB is the 5.5 th (6th) gen |
| 01:52:54 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 01:53:02 | fasmaie | Old 5th gen iPods will all work |
| 01:53:07 | Mouser_X | I don't have an iPod. I'm getting a Gigabeat. |
| 01:53:12 | fasmaie | Me too |
| 01:53:17 | fasmaie | Waiting for it in the mail |
| 01:53:23 | Mouser_X | Also, the 30 GB iPod (5.5) work with Rockbox. |
| 01:53:28 | fasmaie | Then I can get rid of the iPod |
| 01:53:42 | Mouser_X | Wow... Lots of people seem to be waiting for their Gigabeats in the mail... |
| 01:53:47 | hollerDUB | why these gigabeat deals all the rage? |
| 01:53:51 | * | Mouser_X is waiting on mail as well. |
| 01:53:55 | hollerDUB | ha ha |
| 01:53:59 | hollerDUB | i must need to order one |
| 01:54:01 | fasmaie | I got a 40GB one for $145 |
| 01:54:08 | hollerDUB | nice |
| 01:54:10 | fasmaie | Better sound...battery life |
| 01:54:10 | hollerDUB | where |
| 01:54:10 | Mouser_X | They've got *far* more processing power than the iPod. |
| 01:54:12 | hollerDUB | > |
| 01:54:21 | fasmaie | priceline |
| 01:54:30 | Mouser_X | From what I've seen, the Gigabeat is a touchscreen short of a PDA (at least, in potential). |
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| 01:55:09 | hen3rz | wifi, memory cards.. |
| 01:55:29 | fasmaie | Only problem with the gigabeat is the lack of the iPod's accessories |
| 01:55:37 | fasmaie | But there are enough |
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| 01:56:36 | whootie | and who really gives a fuck about not having apple accessoriees if you aing making an apple product |
| 01:56:37 | whootie | ? |
| 01:56:42 | whootie | i dot |
| 01:56:42 | perldiver | seriously, ipods have one of the worst sound on the market |
| 01:56:42 | whootie | . |
| 01:56:43 | perldiver | period |
| 01:56:43 | Mouser_X | <hen3rz> wifi, memory cards.. |
| 01:56:45 | Mouser_X | hen3rz: Sorry, I was excluding expansion slots. |
| 01:56:49 | Mouser_X | You do have a good point, of course. |
| 01:56:59 | fasmaie | True |
| 01:57:00 | whootie | i never knew that ipods have bad sound |
| 01:57:05 | whootie | i never really looked into it |
| 01:57:07 | perldiver | well know you do |
| 01:57:10 | fasmaie | Not bad per se, just not good |
| 01:57:20 | fasmaie | Sort of tinny |
| 01:57:23 | perldiver | id call it "bad" |
| 01:57:44 | Mikachu | you're not just talking about the apple mp3 decoder then? |
| 01:57:48 | perldiver | its very clear if you have something to compare it to |
| 01:58:01 | perldiver | no need even to go into hardware details |
| 01:58:03 | whootie | haha |
| 01:58:03 | whootie | <perldiver> seriously, ipods have one of the worst sound on the market |
| 01:58:03 | whootie | <whootie> . |
| 01:58:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK whootie |
| 01:58:03 | whootie | <perldiver> period |
| 01:58:05 | fasmaie | True |
| 01:58:21 | fasmaie | Even my old sony MD player has better sound |
| 01:58:57 | perldiver | cheap amp + horrid eq presets + bad phones |
| 01:59:02 | perldiver | its a disaster |
| 01:59:10 | Mikachu | my ipod phones broke last week |
| 01:59:13 | Mouser_X | I've heard that Rockbox gets better sound on the iPod than the original firmware does. However, it's a hardware limitation more than software. As such, the improvement isn't a whole lot. |
| 01:59:13 | Mikachu | at least the left one |
| 01:59:16 | perldiver | ok , you can buy some decent headphones of course |
| 01:59:17 | fasmaie | Especially the newer ones |
| 01:59:21 | whootie | so, which is it that your all saying? bad mp3 decoder as mikafoo said, or bad sound hardware all around? |
| 01:59:24 | perldiver | but they will hardly save you |
| 01:59:37 | fasmaie | Yah, I have a nice pair of Philips phones |
| 01:59:43 | perldiver | Mouser_X very true |
| 01:59:46 | fasmaie | Bad sound hardware |
| 01:59:57 | fasmaie | I think |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:17 | perldiver | whootie im referring to an mp3 player encoded with lame with -apx or -v0 presets |
| 02:00:19 | perldiver | lets say |
| 02:00:25 | perldiver | player=file |
| 02:00:27 | whootie | oh yeah |
| 02:00:31 | whootie | trying ot big league me? |
| 02:00:43 | whootie | ive encoded my own mp3s from wav |
| 02:00:45 | perldiver | uh? you juts asked |
| 02:00:51 | whootie | and sent to my phone via bluetooth |
| 02:00:53 | perldiver | what are we referring to |
| 02:00:56 | whootie | nah |
| 02:00:57 | Mikachu | if you're comparing sound hardware, use flac... |
| 02:01:01 | whootie | im talking about the ipod |
| 02:01:01 | perldiver | encoder or hardware |
| 02:01:09 | whootie | not bitrate settings for lame |
| 02:01:25 | whootie | lame isnt proprietery |
| 02:01:32 | perldiver | ok |
| 02:01:39 | perldiver | i just gave you an example |
| 02:01:57 | whootie | only thing related to mp3 that is like that is fraunhofer mp3 |
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| 02:02:05 | whootie | right? |
| 02:02:40 | whootie | but yeah, im sure those apple headphone suck |
| 02:02:48 | whootie | but its amp and eq and shit like that |
| 02:02:49 | whootie | hardware side |
| 02:02:52 | whootie | that are shitty about ipods |
| 02:02:55 | whootie | gotcha |
| 02:02:56 | whootie | . |
| 02:03:27 | whootie | <Mikachu> if you're comparing sound hardware, use flac... |
| 02:03:36 | whootie | thats the first smart thing youve typed |
| 02:03:46 | whootie | mikafoo |
| 02:03:48 | whootie | hhe |
| 02:04:04 | Mikachu | you haven't typed any smart things yet, so i guess i win |
| 02:04:18 | whootie | yeah |
| 02:04:19 | whootie | true |
| 02:04:20 | Febs | Haha. Mikachu 1, whootie 0. |
| 02:04:21 | whootie | . |
| 02:04:30 | whootie | hah |
| 02:04:42 | whootie | im new to this shit |
| 02:04:47 | whootie | im trying to learn me on some rockbox |
| 02:04:59 | Nimdae | dan_a: if you're around, i just experienced the no reboot to disk mode with the cop patch |
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| 02:05:48 | Febs | whootie: here's the first thing you can learn. Ipod's "eq and shit like that" is irrelevant to Rockbox. |
| 02:05:53 | whootie | its wierd there only 1 op in here |
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| 02:06:15 | Mikachu | they hide in the shadows |
| 02:06:36 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 02:06:41 | preglow | *cough* |
| 02:06:49 | perldiver | lol |
| 02:06:49 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 02:06:50 | Mikachu | too much beer again? |
| 02:06:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:06:55 | * | Nimdae hides in the shadows with the ops |
| 02:06:55 | linuxstb | Hello Mr Preglow, sir. |
| 02:07:04 | preglow | i haven't had any beer for a week :/ |
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| 02:07:07 | preglow | linuxstb: good evening |
| 02:07:13 | preglow | morning, rather |
| 02:07:14 | Nimdae | i'm about to play my first video in rockbox :) |
| 02:07:17 | Mikachu | i'm sorry to hear that, maybe |
| 02:07:29 | preglow | Mikachu: i certainly am |
| 02:07:32 | linuxstb | No beer all year? |
| 02:07:46 | preglow | i had some the first |
| 02:07:49 | preglow | nothing since that |
| 02:07:54 | preglow | an abomination |
| 02:08:23 | Nimdae | are there further patches needed to make the mpegplayer use the cop? |
| 02:08:29 | Nimdae | other than the obvious cop patch |
| 02:08:56 | whootie | no beer for a week? |
| 02:09:05 | whootie | thats hard |
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| 02:09:22 | * | Mouser_X has had no beer for more than 22 years. |
| 02:09:30 | whootie | jesus man |
| 02:09:33 | whootie | imon college |
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| 02:09:35 | whootie | hah |
| 02:09:42 | whootie | i barely been around 24 |
| 02:09:44 | Nimdae | wow, playback is a bit grainy, sound is good though |
| 02:09:44 | Mouser_X | Or anything alcoholic whatsoever. |
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| 02:09:53 | whootie | and been drinking the last 8 |
| 02:09:57 | Llorean | Nimdae: Even with the priority scheduling disabled, scrolling and other things seems to be able to affect playback, so there's something else outside of just the scheduler. |
| 02:09:59 | rkostynu | hey all |
| 02:10:00 | Nimdae | also, video is lagging a lot |
| 02:10:01 | whootie | you been done more than i been goin |
| 02:10:06 | * | Mouser_X has been around years longer than 22... |
| 02:10:13 | whootie | hah |
| 02:10:31 | Llorean | Nimdae: Lagging with the COP patch? What resolution/bitrate video? |
| 02:10:43 | Mikachu | and what target framerate? :) |
| 02:10:46 | DogBoy | after I'm playing an audio track how do I get back to the file browser? |
| 02:10:58 | Nimdae | sec, lemme get the exact specs |
| 02:11:31 | DogBoy | if I hit menu all I get is settings screen |
| 02:11:38 | Llorean | DogBoy: Either stop the audio, or press the "select" button (or equivalent) to go back to the filetree. |
| 02:11:51 | Llorean | DogBoy: This, and other fine features are covered in the handy, all purpose Manual. |
| 02:11:56 | Nimdae | sound just cut off |
| 02:11:57 | Nimdae | lol |
| 02:12:03 | Nimdae | but video is still playing |
| 02:12:04 | DogBoy | which is a pdf |
| 02:12:05 | Mikachu | Nimdae: it does toward the end of the file |
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| 02:12:09 | Llorean | Nimdae: You probably reached the end of the buffer. |
| 02:12:16 | linuxstb | Nimdae: Don't laugh at the poor mpegplayer... |
| 02:12:16 | Llorean | DogBoy: It is available in PDF, HTML, and Online. |
| 02:12:29 | DogBoy | where as html |
| 02:12:31 | perldiver | i love mpegplayer |
| 02:12:39 | Llorean | DogBoy: Click the link "Manual" on the left bar of the main website. |
| 02:13:23 | Nimdae | 230x240 780kbps, audio 112 kbps, fps 29.97 fps 44.1khz stereo |
| 02:13:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm curious: What is the reason behind not having rebuffering. Does it need to be reworked so that both streams rebuffer, or is it more just something that needs to be gotten around to? |
| 02:13:37 | Mikachu | Nimdae: that is a rather high bitrate |
| 02:13:56 | Llorean | And I'm guessing that was 320x240, so a large size too. |
| 02:14:03 | DogBoy | thanks Llorean |
| 02:14:14 | Nimdae | it seems like the playback framerate is about half or less what it should be |
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| 02:14:22 | Mikachu | Nimdae: is it mpeg 1 or 2? (not that i know how that affects speed) |
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| 02:14:30 | Nimdae | mpeg1 |
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| 02:14:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: It just needs implementing.... The old rebuffering only worked with a single stream, and it also didn't rebuffer in the background (the video would pause whilst rebuffering). Rebuffering should happen in the background, the same as audio playback. |
| 02:14:58 | Nimdae | and yeah, 320, not 230, heh |
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| 02:15:42 | linuxstb | Nimdae: Yes, mpegplayer will always struggle on the 5g - 320x240 is a lot of data to decode and display. |
| 02:15:43 | Nimdae | so what's the recommended settings? |
| 02:15:58 | linuxstb | The gigabeat can only just manage it (I think it gets less than 30fps). |
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| 02:16:23 | Nimdae | ok, how do i exit the video? |
| 02:16:29 | linuxstb | Nimdae: I would recommend the Apple firmware... |
| 02:16:29 | DogBoy | lol |
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| 02:16:43 | DogBoy | holy toledo this manual is big |
| 02:16:45 | Nimdae | actually, i kinda broke the apple firmware :( |
| 02:17:08 | linuxstb | If holding PLAY/PAUSE doesn't work, you'll need to reset (MENU+SELECT for a few seconds). |
| 02:17:09 | Nimdae | really, i don't need the video, i just wanted to see it in action on rockbox :) |
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| 02:17:43 | perldiver | linuxstb i hope you wont give up on it |
| 02:17:46 | linuxstb | Nimdae: You could try downloading some of the smaller resolution videos, and see if they play. |
| 02:17:48 | |-raz0r-| | can some1 msg me i need some help installing rockbox on my ipod.. thank you |
| 02:17:54 | Nimdae | i actually had to go out of my way to get the video i have, it's just not something i need |
| 02:17:59 | perldiver | video on gigabeat is one of the most amazing things i saw last year |
| 02:18:09 | perldiver | hehe |
| 02:18:24 | Llorean | |-raz0r-|: Where in the instructions do you encounter trouble? |
| 02:18:24 | linuxstb | perldiver: No, I'm not giving up, I just don't want ipod video owners expecting something that can compete with the Apple firmware. |
| 02:18:42 | |-raz0r-| | i just have a few questions not really a problem |
| 02:18:45 | |-raz0r-| | can i msg u pls |
| 02:18:56 | linuxstb | On all other targets, I would hope that mpegplayer should out-perform any video playback provided by the original firmware. |
| 02:19:35 | Llorean | |-raz0r-|: If you ask them in the open, there's a better chance someone who knows the answer will see the question. |
| 02:20:16 | |-raz0r-| | ok .. well i just installed ipodlinux on my ipod.. i was wondering whats rockbox.. and is it better than podzilla? |
| 02:20:26 | |-raz0r-| | i have an ipod photo |
| 02:20:38 | |-raz0r-| | i downloaded the installer for my ipod on the rockbox ipod |
| 02:20:42 | linuxstb | Why do you want to install an alternative operating system? |
| 02:20:48 | Mikachu | |-raz0r-|: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 02:21:07 | |-raz0r-| | i got no idea.. i was just playing around and installed that linux thing |
| 02:21:15 | |-raz0r-| | rockbox is what? an OS? |
| 02:21:33 | Nimdae | a firmware |
| 02:21:43 | linuxstb | It's a "firmware" - basically an OS and application combined together. |
| 02:22:23 | |-raz0r-| | and is rockbox running on linux? |
| 02:22:29 | Febs | |-raz0r-|: Take a look at the manual. It will give you a pretty idea of what Rockbox is and what it does. |
| 02:22:38 | Nimdae | nope, rockbox is just rockbox |
| 02:22:43 | Nimdae | it's not linux or anything else |
| 02:22:44 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 02:22:53 | linuxstb | |-raz0r-|: No, it has nothing to do with Linux, it was written from scratch. |
| 02:23:04 | Nimdae | also, it's not an ipod thing |
| 02:23:10 | Nimdae | rockbox runs on a lot of devices |
| 02:24:00 | |-raz0r-| | so rockbox is better than podzilla? im guessing every1 here will say yes :-) |
| 02:24:14 | Nimdae | i won't ;) |
| 02:24:17 | Nimdae | it's a matter of preference |
| 02:24:21 | Febs | No, actually, we'll say Rockbox is Rockbox and Podzilla is Podzilla. |
| 02:24:47 | |-raz0r-| | ok.. can i play videos on my ipod photo with rockbox? |
| 02:25:00 | Febs | That is, if we don't simply direct you to this FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#So_which_is_better_Rockbox_or_i |
| 02:25:00 | Nimdae | haha, i'm making a new encode at half the resolution, it's going so fast |
| 02:25:06 | Llorean | Somewhat. You can play about 5 minutes of video right now. |
| 02:27:08 | lon1004go | um... |
| 02:28:43 | lon1004go | rockbox install.. after battry life too short... |
| 02:29:02 | linuxstb | ...charge more often... |
| 02:29:19 | lon1004go | when support gigabeat album art? |
| 02:30:09 | linuxstb | No-one ever answers a question starting with "when". |
| 02:30:40 | Nimdae | when will you port rockbox to my toaster? |
| 02:30:44 | Mikachu | that sentence could be the answer to such a question |
| 02:30:46 | tamacracker | lol |
| 02:31:03 | lon1004go | -_- |
| 02:31:05 | lon1004go | sorry.. |
| 02:31:15 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But it doesn't answer the question... |
| 02:31:16 | Mouser_X | lon1004go: There's already an album art patch available. |
| 02:31:32 | Mouser_X | It works, but it's not part of the default Rockbox stuff. |
| 02:31:37 | | Part |-raz0r-| |
| 02:31:43 | Nimdae | when am i gonna get ops? |
| 02:31:50 | Nimdae | oh wait |
| 02:31:52 | Mouser_X | You'd need to download it, and compile it. |
| 02:31:52 | Nimdae | that'll get me kicked |
| 02:32:10 | lon1004go | umm.... |
| 02:32:24 | lon1004go | album art patch available? |
| 02:32:38 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 02:32:40 | lon1004go | gigabeat don't display album art... |
| 02:32:48 | Mouser_X | <Mouser_X> It works, but it's not part of the default Rockbox stuff. |
| 02:32:52 | Mouser_X | Did you miss that? |
| 02:32:53 | Nimdae | you have to apply the patch |
| 02:32:57 | Mouser_X | Of course it doesn't work. |
| 02:33:07 | Mouser_X | The patch isn't part of Rockbox stuff. |
| 02:33:29 | Mouser_X | You have to download the patch separately, and compile it yourself. |
| 02:33:52 | Nimdae | also, there's no support if you do that ;) |
| 02:34:06 | Nimdae | except by the patch maintainer |
| 02:34:12 | Mouser_X | True. |
| 02:34:24 | lon1004go | wps patch? |
| 02:34:38 | Mouser_X | WPS = themes. |
| 02:34:45 | Mouser_X | That's not what you're looking for. |
| 02:34:47 | Nimdae | wps = while playing screen |
| 02:34:54 | Mouser_X | Ah! |
| 02:34:56 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 02:34:57 | lon1004go | ah.. |
| 02:35:02 | Mouser_X | I should have figured that one out... |
| 02:35:10 | Nimdae | :P |
| 02:35:51 | Nimdae | a theme is actually separate from wps |
| 02:35:56 | Nimdae | a theme can include a wps ;) |
| 02:36:41 | perldiver | i have a patched build for gigabeat if anybody needs |
| 02:36:48 | perldiver | its not the latest one though |
| 02:36:53 | perldiver | 0105 i think |
| 02:36:58 | perldiver | with album art |
| 02:37:00 | perldiver | that is |
| 02:37:13 | Nimdae | i have a patched build from today, but no album art >.> |
| 02:37:21 | Nimdae | and for ipod |
| 02:37:26 | Nimdae | heh |
| 02:37:52 | lon1004go | 0105 build with album art? |
| 02:37:53 | Nimdae | i could fit album art in my wps if i wanted to |
| 02:37:59 | perldiver | yes |
| 02:38:34 | lon1004go | album art.. cover.bmp? |
| 02:38:55 | perldiver | no, the actual patch that enables album art support |
| 02:39:31 | rkostynu | perl? |
| 02:39:40 | perldiver | the patch is unofficial so in order to display it you have to compile you own builds |
| 02:39:41 | rkostynu | diverge, |
| 02:41:02 | rkostynu | thats fine, just patched the LED buttons yesterday, did a battery bench 14.3 hours |
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| 02:42:15 | rkostynu | whats patch # |
| 02:42:30 | lon1004go | rkostynu.. |
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| 02:42:37 | lon1004go | 14.3 hours gigabeat? |
| 02:42:47 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 02:42:48 | hcs | nice |
| 02:43:43 | Llorean | Febs: You present? |
| 02:43:44 | rkostynu | yup |
| 02:43:52 | rkostynu | its on google group the test |
| 02:43:53 | Febs | Yup. |
| 02:44:00 | Llorean | May I PM you briefly? |
| 02:44:03 | Febs | Sure. |
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| 02:52:48 | KCC | how much of a difference will i notice on my Gigabeat's batterylife if I use aftermarket headphones? |
| 02:53:23 | rkostynu | perldiver u still here? |
| 02:54:02 | Rudy4Pez | I just noticed "Recording" in the new Senab build for iPod 5g... Does the recording feature work? If I try to select "Recording Screen" the iPod freezes.. |
| 02:54:19 | Mouser_X | KCC: I don't know what "aftermarket" means, but I'd assume that pretty much any headphones you use wouldn't have much affect on battery life. |
| 02:54:27 | bonbonthejon | Rudy4Pez: I tried recording on 4g ipod and it froze also |
| 02:54:34 | Mouser_X | But, that's going on the assumption that headphones don't take much power. |
| 02:54:41 | rkostynu | KCC i cant commrnt for sure but if they are run of the mill, nothing, if they are big pig cones then less, (because they you will be turning volume up), but overall should be nothing |
| 02:55:03 | Llorean | Rudy4Pez: Try it with a CVS build |
| 02:55:33 | Rudy4Pez | Does it work with CVS? |
| 02:56:35 | Rudy4Pez | On the IpodStatus page of the Wiki, I read "line-in only on the 5g" and "The current code also breaks playback after a recording is made." |
| 02:56:53 | Rudy4Pez | Is line-in just the headphone jack? |
| 02:57:02 | Llorean | Line In is the line-in in the dock port |
| 02:57:10 | Llorean | The headhone jack on the 5G can't be used for recording. |
| 02:57:38 | Rudy4Pez | So an extra piece of hardware is needed... What exactly is the dock port? |
| 02:57:49 | bonbonthejon | is there a way to hide the record option on the menu |
| 02:58:29 | KCC | thanks guys |
| 02:58:31 | dewdude_ | KCC: headphones aren't really considered aftermarket parts...yes, you usually get a pair, but, they're cheap, however, headphones won't make your unit draw any more or less power. |
| 02:58:31 | Rudy4Pez | Is there some peripheral that gets plugged into the port at the bottom? |
| 02:59:01 | KCC | I was just looking at the Koss KSC75 ... anybody know anything about these phones? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:36 | dewdude_ | Rudy4Pez, the dock port is this unit that you slide the ipod in to, connects to the bottom port...provides not only a place to keep your ipod when it's on your desktop, but it also interfaces with ins and outs on the connector. it's similar to the dock replicator idea on laptops...where you plugged this device onto the back and it added a bunch of proper ports to your laptop. |
| 03:01:26 | Febs | KSC75 is a great headphone for the money. |
| 03:01:40 | Febs | They're extremely well regarded on Head-Fi.org. |
| 03:02:03 | KCC | Thats just what I needed to hear Febs |
| 03:02:06 | dewdude_ | i like my Shure E3C's.....but that's enough of my off-topic banter. |
| 03:02:32 | KCC | apparently the cord on the Koss's are mighty short, which shouldnt be an issue if i plug into the gigabeat's remote |
| 03:02:45 | KCC | too bad the cord on the Koss's is black, doesnt really match the rest of the unit |
| 03:02:48 | KCC | but i digress |
| 03:02:56 | Mouser_X | Is the remote supported by Rockbox? |
| 03:02:56 | KCC | rockbox is the shizznit |
| 03:03:02 | Rudy4Pez | dewdude_: I see a lot of peripherals that seem to do that, is there one that comes to mind that isn't a huge desktop-type model that still has the line-in port? I don't know if there is, but I'm looking for something more pocket-sized.. |
| 03:03:49 | Febs | I don't recall the cord on the KSc75 being unduly short. |
| 03:03:56 | dewdude_ | Rudy4Pez, i don't know. i've not actually looked at things. it's possible you might be able to find a cable that has line-in's |
| 03:04:05 | Cazov | I'm a big fan of my cheapo sony headphones with retractable cords :p |
| 03:04:16 | Febs | There version that you can get at Radio Shack has an inline volume attenuator and I think that cord is a bit longer. |
| 03:04:45 | Llorean | Febs: That volume attenuator is kinda horrid though |
| 03:04:58 | Cazov | ugh...inline volume attenuators |
| 03:05:12 | Febs | Yeah. True. |
| 03:05:55 | * | preglow wonders if tomorrow will be svn day |
| 03:06:00 | Rudy4Pez | Apparently this is the "official" version from Apple, but it only has line-out.. http://www0.info.apple.com/images/kbase/60016/60016_1.gif |
| 03:06:38 | KCC | hmm, i like mouser's question |
| 03:06:45 | KCC | does Rockbox support the Gigabeat's remote? |
| 03:07:13 | dewdude_ | Rudy4Pez, well. I don't know what to tell you. I personally wouldn't want to depend on the ipod to record things. i don't know how good the ADC is. |
| 03:07:39 | Rudy4Pez | Well I actually need it for a specific application.. |
| 03:07:41 | lon1004go | remote? |
| 03:07:46 | Llorean | KCC: If gigabeats don't come with one, it probably doesn't. If they do, test and find out, but it probably doesn't. :-P |
| 03:08:00 | lon1004go | i have remote.. but don't using rockbox.. |
| 03:08:06 | Rudy4Pez | A place where I couldn't really get away with a laptop... Hehe. |
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| 03:08:38 | dewdude_ | yeah man, i don't think the ipod has stereo mic input, so you'd have to concel a microphone preamp on you as well. |
| 03:08:50 | dewdude_ | that won't work too well for what you want to use it for. |
| 03:09:04 | Rudy4Pez | Well it's where I work.. |
| 03:09:11 | Rudy4Pez | I keep a backpack under my desk. |
| 03:09:18 | Rudy4Pez | So I could have a preamp in there.. |
| 03:09:29 | Rudy4Pez | I just can't be seen operating a laptop instead of working... Hehe. |
| 03:09:30 | dewdude_ | it sounds borderline illegal, i don't think anyone is going to want to help you further |
| 03:09:32 | dewdude_ | i know i'm not. |
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| 03:09:55 | Rudy4Pez | Nah, it's not about bootlegging or anything. |
| 03:10:19 | Cazov | he need evidence for his whistleblower stuff |
| 03:11:57 | * | dewdude_ shrugs |
| 03:12:01 | Rudy4Pez | Hehehe. |
| 03:12:11 | dewdude_ | there's that one product that's got a stereo mic built in, but i believe you need to be using apple firmware |
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| 03:13:40 | Rudy4Pez | Why is that? |
| 03:14:17 | dewdude_ | not sure. since i never plan on using my ipod to record, never looked into it. give me a few minutes and i'll do some researck |
| 03:14:37 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah I'm looking around at different accessories at the moment. |
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| 03:17:13 | Rudy4Pez | Hmm... "iPod Radio Remote".. Is the radio tuner built into the iPod itself or into this remote device? |
| 03:17:20 | Febs | http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo.php |
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| 03:18:15 | webguest64 | i'd like to report a bug |
| 03:18:30 | webguest64 | "Thrash Metal" should be "Trash Metal" |
| 03:18:33 | webguest64 | winamp was wrong |
| 03:19:39 | Rudy4Pez | Febs: Does one need to run the original firmware for that to work? |
| 03:19:47 | webguest64 | In actual news, the human race was doomed to extinction today, as the robot revolt turned violent |
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| 03:20:18 | Febs | Well, considering that recording is not yet really implemented in Rockbox for the ipod, yes. |
| 03:20:55 | Rudy4Pez | Hmm.. Well what hardware was used to test the recording feature that's currently in Rockbox? |
| 03:21:13 | Rudy4Pez | One of the desktop docks? |
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| 03:22:06 | Febs | The recording feature that's currently in Rockbox was developed for the Archos and iriver ports. |
| 03:22:15 | linuxstb | Rudy4Pez: This page describes the hardware needed - http://ipodlinux.org/Recording |
| 03:22:58 | Llorean | Febs: There's recording on H10 and some iPods now, though it's terribly untested. |
| 03:23:18 | Febs | Yes, I was getting to that! |
| 03:23:51 | Febs | I got distracted reading the wiki page linuxstb linked to. |
| 03:23:54 | linuxstb | And as Febs mentioned, "not yet really implemented"... |
| 03:24:11 | linuxstb | Someone needs to steal that info for the Rockbox manual or wiki... |
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| 03:24:21 | Rudy4Pez | lol |
| 03:25:10 | linuxstb | Rudy4Pez: I developed recording for the ipods using a custom-made dock line-in connector donated to Rockbox by the nice gentleman who runs http://www.aloaudio.com/ |
| 03:25:41 | linuxstb | I'm sure he'll take orders, but it may not be cheap. |
| 03:27:27 | * | linuxstb wonders where everyone has gone... |
| 03:27:41 | * | Rudy4Pez is looking at the fancy pictures. |
| 03:27:47 | * | Mouser_X is still here. |
| 03:27:57 | Mouser_X | I just don't have anything to say at this time. |
| 03:28:08 | Mouser_X | I've been working on a WPS... |
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| 03:28:40 | * | linuxstb wonders about the logic behind spending $400 for a cable for an ipod... |
| 03:29:09 | Rudy4Pez | linuxstb: Does the Apple firmware support recording? |
| 03:29:24 | Febs | linuxstb: logic doesn't have anything to do with it. |
| 03:29:33 | Rudy4Pez | (I can't check at the moment because I just updated the bootloader and can't get into the OF) |
| 03:30:37 | Febs | To wit: the "cables" forum at head-fi is expressly designated as a "no double-blind test" forum. |
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| 03:32:13 | Febs | It's funny, though, how people who buy the $400 cables can be so anti-EQ, yet they use cables to (allegedly) tailor their sound. |
| 03:32:39 | linuxstb | Rudy4Pez: The Apple firmware requires a "real" recording accessory to record. I'm not sure if you can buy such accessories for the 5g yet. |
| 03:33:10 | Febs | The link I provided above is a recording device that works with the 5g. |
| 03:33:26 | Febs | The singer in my band uses one to record rehearsals. |
| 03:33:58 | Rudy4Pez | Is the actual recording software present in the iPod itself or in the recording device? |
| 03:34:32 | linuxstb | I expect it's in the ipod, but just disabled. |
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| 03:35:22 | Rudy4Pez | Because if the recording device doesn't add any actual software and is just a hardware connection, I'd imagine that would make it more likely to be compatible with Rockbox recording.. |
| 03:35:50 | BHSPitLappy | iPL did it with several pre-5G iPods |
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| 03:36:14 | BHSPitLappy | you can read up on their wiki |
| 03:36:46 | linuxstb | Rockbox implements it for the 5g... (plus line-in on the 4g and Nano). |
| 03:36:54 | preglow | amiconn: i think the first order filter will do just nicely |
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| 03:38:18 | Rudy4Pez | And do we still not know why the new bootloader keeps the original firmware from working? |
| 03:38:18 | linuxstb | Rudy4Pez: That recording accessory might need initialising, in a similar way to the itrips do. So it may not work out of the box with Rockbox. |
| 03:38:28 | Rudy4Pez | Ah, true.. |
| 03:38:31 | linuxstb | Rudy4Pez: On which ipod? |
| 03:38:37 | Rudy4Pez | 5g. |
| 03:38:41 | linuxstb | It doesn't. |
| 03:39:49 | linuxstb | Or does it? |
| 03:39:51 | Rudy4Pez | If I use the hold switch to boot OF, I get an Apple error message with a URL under the "!" icon.. |
| 03:40:08 | linuxstb | Did you install from a clean firmware partition? |
| 03:40:24 | Rudy4Pez | Hmm.. |
| 03:40:35 | Rudy4Pez | I think I backed up, and then installed the new one.. |
| 03:41:32 | linuxstb | I'm trying now... |
| 03:42:04 | Rudy4Pez | Was there some sort of "removal" step I was supposed to take before installing the new bootloader? |
| 03:42:10 | cheriff | Is is possible to have a 'whole disk shuffle'? The shuffle option seems to only randomly select within a single directory |
| 03:42:20 | Rudy4Pez | Because I just backed up the old one and then installed over it. |
| 03:42:25 | Zeraphe | My 5.5g boots the original firmware just fine... |
| 03:42:53 | Rudy4Pez | What's the difference between 5g and 5.5g by the way? |
| 03:43:06 | Zeraphe | The 5.5 has a sector size of 2048. |
| 03:43:10 | linuxstb | I've just tried it with a clean firmware partition, and my 5g boots the Apple firmware fine. |
| 03:43:32 | Zeraphe | At least, that's the main quantifiable difference. |
| 03:43:45 | Rudy4Pez | How do you tell which one you have? |
| 03:44:15 | Zeraphe | The Apple firmware has a "Search" option in the Music menu for the 5.5. |
| 03:44:17 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher will display the sector size |
| 03:44:31 | Zeraphe | Or you can fdisk it and look for the sector size warning. |
| 03:44:56 | Zeraphe | Or what linuxstb just said. |
| 03:45:21 | Rudy4Pez | Ok, I've got ipodpatcher running.. |
| 03:45:49 | linuxstb | Do "ipodpatcher device" and that should display a sector size message. |
| 03:46:02 | Rudy4Pez | Got it. |
| 03:46:28 | Rudy4Pez | 512, so that's 5g. Thanks. :) |
| 03:47:06 | Rudy4Pez | What's the practical difference of having the larger sector size? |
| 03:47:39 | linuxstb | No-one has figured it out... Doesn't seem to be any good reason for it. |
| 03:47:46 | Rudy4Pez | Hmm. |
| 03:48:15 | linuxstb | The physical sector size of the disk is still 512 bytes, but the Apple disk mode presents it to your PC as 2048-byte sectors. |
| 03:48:26 | Rudy4Pez | So back to the bootloader, was I supposed to wipe the partition somehow before installing the new bootloader? |
| 03:49:08 | Llorean | Rudy4Pez: You were supposed to restore the backed up bootpartition.bin from your previous install, or do ipodpatcher -d to remove the old bootloader. |
| 03:49:17 | linuxstb | It _should_ have worked without restoring your firmware partition, but in your case (and I think other people as well), it didn't. Maybe it's the same problem that's preventing the original firmware booting on the mini and 4g. |
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| 03:49:26 | Rudy4Pez | Ah, ok.. THat's what I missed. |
| 03:49:39 | linuxstb | Although for lots of people it has worked... |
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| 03:54:29 | linuxstb | I just tried upgrading my 5g from an old bootloader install directly to the new bootloader, and the apple firmware doesn't start - I get an immediate reboot. So at least I now have a bug I can recreate... |
| 03:54:56 | linuxstb | But it's 3am, and I shouldn't be awake. Goodnight all. |
| 03:55:11 | Rudy4Pez | Yeah, that's what happened to me. |
| 03:55:17 | Rudy4Pez | Haha, laters. |
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| 04:25:17 | goffa | i remember there was a tool that would make custom patched builds of rockbox |
| 04:25:20 | goffa | anyone remember what it was? |
| 04:25:24 | goffa | or if it still exists? |
| 04:25:33 | Llorean | It didn't really work out |
| 04:25:43 | Llorean | Unless you're simply referring to GCC. ;) |
| 04:25:52 | goffa | nah |
| 04:25:55 | goffa | web page |
| 04:28:37 | Rudy4Pez | Llorean: I had to reinstall the original backup I made and then install the bootloader as if it were the first time. |
| 04:28:47 | Rudy4Pez | Now the OF will boot, fyi. |
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| 04:39:52 | tawm | hello? |
| 04:40:32 | Mouser_X | Goodbye? |
| 04:40:54 | tawm | would I get scolded if I asked for help? |
| 04:41:00 | Llorean | Probably not |
| 04:41:06 | tawm | yays! |
| 04:41:08 | Llorean | Though you might get pointed at the manual if the answer is in it. |
| 04:41:56 | tawm | kk |
| 04:42:43 | tawm | when I power off my 4th gen ipod (greyscale) it immediately begins to reboot |
| 04:43:04 | tawm | it does the same thing when I set the sleep timer |
| 04:47:05 | tawm | i'm guessing its supposed to be able to power down |
| 04:47:36 | hen3rz | tawn: i recall someone in here earlier reporting the same problem |
| 04:47:51 | hen3rz | not sure if they found a fix though |
| 04:48:00 | tawm | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4640.0 |
| 04:48:17 | tawm | that was a similar issue, I think |
| 04:48:47 | tawm | his/hers is more about it over heating though |
| 04:50:03 | Llorean | tawm: How do you try to power it down? |
| 04:50:19 | tawm | press and hold the play pause button for 4 seconds |
| 04:50:47 | tawm | it says "powering down" then ~2 seconds later the apple screen appears and rockbox boots |
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| 04:50:51 | Llorean | And USB works as normal, it doesn't think it's connected when it's not or anything? |
| 04:51:33 | tawm | my linux computer isn't recognizing it when I plug it in through firewire |
| 04:51:44 | tawm | I don't have a usb cable |
| 04:52:08 | Nimdae | as far as i know, firewire isn't supported in rockbox |
| 04:52:17 | Nimdae | but i'm just joining in this conversation and i may be missing something |
| 04:52:36 | tawm | the manual says two different things |
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| 04:52:56 | tawm | in the start it says autodetect for firewire isn't supported |
| 04:52:58 | Nimdae | i'm not even sure apple's disk mode supports it |
| 04:53:33 | Nimdae | i have a firewire cable, but no firewire ports to test it with, heh |
| 04:53:45 | tawm | but thought the windows install, it showed up when i ran somethingsomething −−scan |
| 04:54:10 | Llorean | The autodetect for firewire is from within rockbox |
| 04:54:24 | Llorean | The installation doesn't care how it's attached to the PC. |
| 04:54:32 | Nimdae | ah, this is definately not a 5g if you are using firewire in windows, so i'll hush |
| 04:54:37 | Llorean | Now, when your iPod is automatically turning on: Is this when it's entirely unplugged from anything? |
| 04:54:47 | tawm | yes |
| 04:55:58 | Llorean | Out of curiosity, a few things: 1) Are you running the newest bootloader, 2) Do you mind if your settings accidentally get cleared while trying something really quickly? |
| 04:57:10 | tawm | I don't have any custom settings or songs saved to the drive so I don't mind losing anything (just if it breaks completely), and the newest release |
| 04:57:39 | tawm | the release build, not the experimental stuff |
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| 04:58:27 | Llorean | tawm: I asked about the bootloader, not the build. And what "experimental stuff"? There are no "release" builds, just CVS and Daily. |
| 04:59:04 | tawm | the bootloader is from where the manual links |
| 04:59:15 | tawm | as of about two days ago |
| 04:59:44 | tawm | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod4g.ipod |
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| 05:00:29 | Llorean | Okay |
| 05:00:59 | Llorean | Try turning it off, and as soon as the words telling you it's shutting down show up, let go of all buttons and turn on hold, as quickly as you can. |
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| 05:03:01 | tawm | the apple logo comes up, gets to loading original firmware in the boot screen then enters a restart loop |
| 05:03:42 | Llorean | Alright |
| 05:03:54 | Llorean | That's strange then. |
| 05:03:59 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 05:04:17 | Llorean | And I take it, then, that your original firmware doesn't work either. =/ |
| 05:04:27 | tawm | I havent tried |
| 05:04:49 | Llorean | Well, you just did. |
| 05:04:53 | tawm | haha ok |
| 05:05:34 | Llorean | It was a multi-part test. I was wondering if something was wrong with one of your buttons, and it thought that it was being pressed. If there is, it's something that Hold doesn't block. As well, it should've gone into Apple OS, instead of looping. |
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| 05:05:45 | Rudy4Pez | Hey Llorean, do you know if there's a way to copy a video to my iPod 5g so that it can be viewed in the OF, but without using iTunes to transfer it? |
| 05:05:54 | Llorean | Rudy4Pez: We don't really deal with the OF here. |
| 05:06:11 | Llorean | tawm: Unfortunately, there's not much I personally can further suggest. |
| 05:06:17 | Nimdae | wow |
| 05:06:34 | Nimdae | i think the lack of usb connection detection with the cop patch is related to the mpegplayer |
| 05:07:42 | Llorean | Nimdae: How so? |
| 05:07:56 | tawm | Llorean: thanks for the help just the same |
| 05:08:06 | Nimdae | well |
| 05:08:14 | Nimdae | let me finish working on reproducing it |
| 05:08:26 | Nimdae | yup |
| 05:08:32 | scorche | Llorean: heh...i just noticed the mail from the guy that notified us that were were "rude" |
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| 05:08:51 | Nimdae | if i don't use the mpegplayer, cable connection detection works fine |
| 05:08:59 | Nimdae | if i use the mpegplayer, it stops working |
| 05:09:22 | Nimdae | if i reboot, it starts working again |
| 05:09:40 | Nimdae | is there a flyspray entry for the mpegplayer already? |
| 05:10:48 | tawm | One thing I just noticed is that when rockbox first booted "rockbox.ipod" was listed in the directory view. Now it is no longer |
| 05:11:14 | Nimdae | did you switch to id3 tag view? |
| 05:11:50 | Llorean | scorche: "rude"? I'm not actually sure what you're referring to. |
| 05:12:10 | Llorean | I've had a sort of bad-public-relations week, so I just can't pick out a specific incident where "rude" was the flavour of choice. |
| 05:12:27 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 05:12:43 | Mouser_X | You've seemed nice enough to me. |
| 05:12:49 | scorche | Llorean: the notification he used to rant about us |
| 05:12:54 | Mouser_X | I don't read the forums though, so who am I to talk? |
| 05:13:27 | Nimdae | i read them sometimes |
| 05:13:33 | Llorean | scorche: The one that was upset about Febs locking his thread? |
| 05:13:51 | Nimdae | oh, i wonder if this is the thread i think iti s |
| 05:13:54 | scorche | the one about how we are biased against non-rockbox targets... |
| 05:13:57 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 05:13:58 | scorche | devices rather |
| 05:14:16 | Llorean | Because the guy was asking about how to copy music without using proprietary software, rather than starting a new port. |
| 05:14:25 | scorche | oh i know |
| 05:14:40 | scorche | just find it a nomination for creative use of the report to moderator button |
| 05:14:48 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Oh, I'm an absolute tyrant. But, the forums do have rules and they're publicly posted, we just enforce then. |
| 05:14:55 | Llorean | scorche: Aye. |
| 05:15:13 | Mouser_X | Heh. I can't blame you for that. |
| 05:16:10 | Nimdae | wait, he was complaining because yall don't support the use of devices outside of rockbox? |
| 05:16:16 | Nimdae | and he says yall are rude...wow |
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| 05:21:26 | Nimdae | it's the guy with 2 posts, right? |
| 05:22:51 | Llorean | About the sony player? Yeah |
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| 06:14:32 | Alonea | any success on figuring out the video problems or other stuff on the gigabeat? |
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| 06:47:47 | Stalwart | is battery life improved since this summer (then i tried rockbox last time) ? |
| 06:47:57 | Stalwart | i have nano 1g |
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| 06:51:01 | scorche | it still is sub-par, but there have been some advances |
| 06:51:16 | scorche | i get about 8:30 on mine |
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| 06:54:13 | tamacracker | how do you save your presets? If you don't save it and shut the gigabeat off, it automatically resets your EQ. When I go to the save presets, it gives me a file name but I can't save it as that file name. |
| 06:54:35 | Stalwart | scorche: col, 8.30 is great, i had 7 this sumer |
| 06:54:43 | Stalwart | :s/col/cool |
| 06:54:59 | Stalwart | i want to try ipodlinux too ;) |
| 06:55:16 | Stalwart | i read ipl guys ported MPD to ipods |
| 06:55:34 | Mouser_X | MPD? |
| 06:55:47 | thegeek | music player daemon? |
| 06:55:50 | Stalwart | yeah |
| 06:56:04 | Mouser_X | I've never heard of it. |
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| 06:56:06 | Stalwart | i hope all these small bugs in rockbox are fixed now |
| 06:56:08 | thegeek | I have |
| 06:56:13 | thegeek | however |
| 06:56:18 | thegeek | ipl is great and all |
| 06:56:21 | Stalwart | Mouser_X: check musicpd.org, it's one of best music players for nix |
| 06:56:23 | thegeek | but rockbox is much better;P |
| 06:56:26 | Stalwart | i use it everyday |
| 06:56:45 | * | Mouser_X uses Winamp. |
| 06:57:21 | Stalwart | for windows nothing can beat foobar2000 (www.foobar2000.org) |
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| 06:57:33 | Mouser_X | I've used that too. |
| 06:57:34 | Stalwart | but windows sucks, so who cares anyway? |
| 06:57:35 | Mouser_X | I didn't like it. |
| 06:57:54 | scorche | and this channel is about rockbox, so it shouldnt be the topic anyway =P |
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| 06:58:03 | Mouser_X | Yes, sorry. |
| 06:58:06 | Stalwart | linux is like rockbox for your pc ;) |
| 06:58:16 | BHSPitLappy | wtf. |
| 06:58:17 | thegeek | mpd is a really nice project |
| 06:58:20 | thegeek | good concept |
| 06:58:22 | thegeek | however |
| 06:58:23 | Stalwart | free os, countless possibilities |
| 06:58:28 | thegeek | for a dap it's better with custom code |
| 06:58:35 | Stalwart | probably |
| 06:58:37 | thegeek | much more efficient |
| 06:58:39 | thegeek | it's like ipl |
| 06:58:43 | thegeek | it works |
| 06:58:49 | thegeek | it's just not very practical |
| 06:58:52 | Stalwart | need to grep changelog for last 6 months |
| 06:59:03 | * | Stalwart jumps away co college |
| 06:59:12 | Stalwart | need to study ;) |
| 06:59:36 | BHSPitLappy | thegeek, FYI, rockbox and iPL cannot be "better" or "worse" than the other, unless you mean for a specific task. They're separate projects with separate goals. |
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| 07:01:48 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: however, one can assign one of those with a specific thought in mind |
| 07:02:33 | BHSPitLappy | what? |
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| 07:06:11 | scorche | in other words, he was meaning for a specific task |
| 07:07:52 | thegeek | BHSPitLappy: well if you need a specific task I guess I mean better at beeing a dap |
| 07:07:56 | thegeek | better at playing music |
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| 07:21:29 | Alonea | so I finally got around to testing out GB and GBC games on the gigabeat, and I am completely happy. So far, no problems. any chance of NES? |
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| 08:21:06 | strid | so my 5g ipod won't load rockbox or the original firmware, getting stuck on the loading screen |
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| 08:21:37 | strid | it also flashes an ascii penis and insists I let it do a2m on me |
| 08:21:43 | strid | one of these statements is an exaggeration |
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| 08:25:20 | strid | is there an "oh shit" mode that bypasses the bootloader or something? |
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| 08:25:52 | strid | or should I just shove my bricked ipod up my ass so I can shit the proverbial bricks |
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| 08:30:52 | Mouser_X | strid: I think everyone may be asleep (or close?). I'd help, but I don't have enough information to do so. |
| 08:31:02 | Mouser_X | In other words, come back later. |
| 08:31:19 | Mouser_X | Others have had similar problems, and gotten them fixed. |
| 08:31:29 | Mouser_X | So, just be patient. |
| 08:31:48 | Mouser_X | Sorry I'm not the one who can help... |
| 08:31:51 | strid | Cannot copy tagnavi: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). |
| 08:31:53 | strid | what the christ |
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| 08:36:24 | scorche | strid: run a filesystem check on the device |
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| 08:37:17 | strid | scorche: could you explain how, please? |
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| 08:38:59 | scorche | what OS are you running? |
| 08:38:59 | bagawk | strid: you ipod is not going to be bricked |
| 08:39:12 | strid | scorche: xp |
| 08:39:31 | bagawk | strid: I think menu+select to reboot and then someting like play+select for disk mode, the jsut restore |
| 08:39:58 | strid | yeah, I did that much |
| 08:40:12 | scorche | strid: right-click the device in my computer > properties > tools > check now |
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| 08:40:18 | strid | when I try to overwrite the firmware, I get the cyclic redundancy check |
| 08:40:23 | strid | which I guess means the hdd shat itself |
| 08:40:33 | strid | if you'll pardon my layman's terms |
| 08:40:45 | scorche | or the filesystem |
| 08:41:06 | scorche | layman's terms are fine, but swearing is unnecessary |
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| 08:41:10 | strid | scorche: there isn't a more specialized tool, is there? |
| 08:41:39 | scorche | if you were running linux there would be, but that should do the job |
| 08:41:51 | strid | it just finished. |
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| 08:43:01 | strid | (no errors) |
| 08:43:28 | strid | I uninstalled rockbox via the bootloader and now it's stuck clicking |
| 08:43:30 | strid | oh joy |
| 08:43:48 | strid | I bet I'm a day past the warranty too |
| 08:43:51 | scorche | you mean from ipodpatcher? |
| 08:43:53 | strid | yeah |
| 08:43:57 | strid | my bad |
| 08:44:18 | scorche | and disk check didnt turn up any errors? |
| 08:44:26 | strid | none |
| 08:45:12 | scorche | and it wont boot up without rockbox? |
| 08:45:20 | strid | no |
| 08:45:31 | strid | it's stuck on the black screen with a white apple |
| 08:45:41 | strid | for 4-5 seconds |
| 08:45:51 | strid | then it goes blank, the hdd stops spinning with a click, and it starts over |
| 08:46:32 | scorche | ouch |
| 08:46:43 | strid | yeah |
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| 08:49:45 | Llorean | Sounds like hardware failure though. |
| 08:50:34 | strid | literally |
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| 08:57:26 | strid | how do I format the ipod without itunes? |
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| 09:00:38 | lex | mkdosfs /dev/sda2 |
| 09:00:46 | lex | or sdc, sdd, depends on your sata-devices |
| 09:00:51 | lex | scsi i mean |
| 09:00:57 | strid | what |
| 09:01:14 | strid | I don't run linux |
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| 09:01:22 | lex | on windows then, just format it |
| 09:01:24 | strid | how? |
| 09:01:27 | lex | or cmd, format X: |
| 09:01:29 | lex | X is the letter |
| 09:01:37 | strid | is there a specific uh |
| 09:01:44 | lex | ;o |
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| 09:01:47 | strid | well, fat32? |
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| 09:01:52 | strid | or nfts or uh |
| 09:01:55 | lex | hmm |
| 09:01:59 | strid | that weird mac format |
| 09:02:02 | strid | I don't know |
| 09:03:50 | amiconn | fat32 if you want rockbox |
| 09:04:07 | amiconn | rockbox doesn't support hfs+, and windows doesn't support it either |
| 09:04:35 | amiconn | ntfs would be completely wrong |
| 09:05:21 | hachi | I want amigafs support |
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| 09:09:40 | amiconn | There is no such filesystem. Could be one of ffs, sfs or pfs3, typically |
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| 09:10:33 | amiconn | And nobody is holding you back if you want to code support for one of those |
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| 09:11:41 | Llorean | I've had bad luck actually just formatting my iPod in windows, but it could be nano-specific. |
| 09:11:55 | Llorean | For some reason the format reformats the whole device, rather than just the filesystem partition. |
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| 09:12:56 | amiconn | Llorean: Maybe your partition table was broken? |
| 09:13:21 | amiconn | In such a case, windows likes to format flash devices in superfloppy mode, i.e. without a partition table at all |
| 09:14:09 | Llorean | It's possible. |
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| 10:08:09 | GodEaterWeb | based on the assumption that someone somewhere once upon a time did actually ask portalplayer for documentation - did they reply? |
| 10:08:18 | Bagder | they didn't |
| 10:08:25 | GodEaterWeb | swines |
| 10:08:31 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:08:39 | GodEaterWeb | it doesn't take much for a politely worded "No" does it ? |
| 10:08:52 | shoora | Anyone want to try landscape doom? http://rapidshare.com/files/10761237/doom.rock |
| 10:09:05 | GodEaterWeb | Maybe we should try emailing them once a day until we get at least a reply |
| 10:09:24 | GodEaterWeb | we could legitimately claim we don't know if they're even getting the emails or not |
| 10:09:32 | Bagder | I doubt that would bring any goodness |
| 10:10:30 | GodEaterWeb | it's possible that whoever's in tray it landed in the first time had just come back from holiday and decided to mass delete their email rather than answer them though? |
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| 10:11:53 | * | GodEaterWeb may try emailing them again just the once to see if they even acknowledge him |
| 10:12:19 | GodEaterWeb | do we have a "stock" email for such requests ? Or shall I lovingly craft my own ? |
| 10:12:25 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: I don't think even the producers of mp3 players have any docs for the PP |
| 10:12:47 | Bagder | they get docs for the APIs and they get binary blobs |
| 10:12:51 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder: I know - I think you're right - but even so, I think I'll try |
| 10:12:59 | Bagder | sure |
| 10:13:08 | GodEaterWeb | I think they get "pre-written" firmware too don't they ? |
| 10:13:08 | Bagder | but no, we don't have any good template for such a mail |
| 10:13:10 | Bagder | afaik |
| 10:13:11 | GodEaterWeb | which they can then modify |
| 10:13:27 | Bagder | yeah, at least they get some sample "firmware" and bootloader and stuff |
| 10:13:41 | Bagder | since most PP players are very similar |
| 10:14:08 | GodEaterWeb | Okay - I'll draft something up, and then probably dump it on pastebin - so you guys can comment, and add anything I miss. |
| 10:14:20 | Bagder | I find it amusing sandisk decided to change their crypto key between two firmware releases... |
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| 10:14:35 | GodEaterWeb | weren't they the guys who approached us in the first place ? |
| 10:14:42 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:14:59 | Bagder | but I only a marketing guy |
| 10:15:08 | Bagder | he probably had no clue what he was asking for in the first place |
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| 10:15:54 | GodEaterWeb | they very often don't |
| 10:16:05 | Bagder | but they did send us some hardware |
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| 10:16:16 | GodEaterWeb | marketing people are good at drinking, and organsing functions at which to drink. |
| 10:16:28 | GodEaterWeb | in my experience |
| 10:16:53 | GodEaterWeb | occassionally it has something to do with their product |
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| 10:39:20 | hen3rz | hello |
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| 10:57:32 | hen3rz | do we have any talib kweli fans in here? |
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| 11:05:54 | tychver | just build the tagDB on a 30GB 5G ipod with 9GB of 128KB/s of MP3s, the battery lost about 30% capacity while still being plugged into USB |
| 11:06:24 | tychver | is it normal to consume more power than the USB port can supply? |
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| 11:07:13 | hcs | normal with rockbox at the moment, yes |
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| 11:08:31 | jba | hey gang |
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| 11:09:09 | jba | gotthardt / sloth, hey guys i saw commits to the lcd_enable() function earlier today, but i don't have the option in my backlight menu (from rockbox cvs) is it not enabled yet? |
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| 11:09:34 | jba | also i noticed that my bass and treble settings never survive a rockbox reboot |
| 11:09:40 | jba | anyone know why that be? |
| 11:09:53 | jba | in fact even when i save, and reload the settings they are set at 0db again |
| 11:10:32 | RedZZR | jba: its in the debug menu at the moment... not added to the display settings yet - i beleive |
| 11:11:08 | jba | oh yeah and the debug menu keypad lights don't work on X, but not only that I don't get any other options |
| 11:11:21 | jba | obvoiusly since the X doesn't have keyp[ad lights |
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| 11:13:05 | tychver | does the ipod actually charge while in the rockbox usb mode? mine seemed to go empty rather fast during transfers |
| 11:13:48 | scorche | there is no rockbox usb mode |
| 11:13:58 | scorche | that is apple's disk mode |
| 11:14:04 | scorche | and yes it does charge |
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| 11:15:41 | tychver | I meant when you hold down menu and plug it in to charge it, it says it's charging, but when moving files around on the ipod the battery starts to deplete |
| 11:16:43 | Llorean | You can't transfer to the iPod in that mode. Are you just copying the files around to other places inside of Rockbox? |
| 11:16:43 | scorche | it is charging...whether that amount of charging is more than your drain depends what you are doing |
| 11:18:33 | tychver | yeah I accidently put nine gigs of mp3s in the wrong place.... |
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| 11:28:32 | GodEaterWeb | is there a short list somewhere of "things we'd like to know about PortalPlayer" ? |
| 11:28:50 | GodEaterWeb | I've looked on our iPodPort page for things we've yet to do - but I'm not sure how accurately it reflects these things |
| 11:29:07 | GodEaterWeb | for instance we list USB at 100% - even though we're not really doing all that much with it. |
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| 11:30:06 | Bagder | well, we most probably don't init the hw properly for example |
| 11:30:13 | Bagder | drawing too much power |
| 11:30:28 | GodEaterWeb | yeah - but I'm looking for specific examples of what HW features we're after |
| 11:30:36 | Bagder | and we don't know enough to run the CPU freqs properly |
| 11:31:03 | Bagder | and on the PP5024 we don't have info enough for the DAC and more |
| 11:31:05 | GodEaterWeb | on the basis that PortalPlayer might be more inclined to release some limited info rather than the whole "PortalPlayers secret plan for world domination(tm)" |
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| 11:34:29 | GodEaterWeb | I'm assuming that asking about the iPod Video's Broadcom chip would be out of scope for the email since it's not part of the SoC that PortalPlayer provide apple with ? |
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| 11:36:57 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: I've tried contacting portalplayer just to open communications. |
| 11:37:03 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: They don't even reply, at all. |
| 11:37:40 | LinusN | figures |
| 11:38:04 | Llorean | LinusN: I even attached a read-receipt on the email. In theory it was read. |
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| 11:39:28 | * | GodEaterWeb shrugs |
| 11:39:35 | GodEaterWeb | It can't hurt to send another though hey ? |
| 11:39:47 | GodEaterWeb | I'm just putting the "business spin" into the email now. |
| 11:39:57 | GodEaterWeb | Arguing why it would be a great idea for them to help us out :) |
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| 11:41:12 | Llorean | My email to portalplayer may be in the mailing list archive. |
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| 11:44:05 | GodEaterWeb | Llorean: any idea on the date you sent it ? Even roughly ? |
| 11:44:28 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: Not even close, unfortunately. And I just searched for it and can't find it. Maybe it's not there after all. My memory is slightly fuzzy. |
| 11:44:48 | linuxstb | GodEaterWeb: Look at the IpodStatus wiki page - that has a better "to-do" list. |
| 11:44:53 | Llorean | I know I got it reviewed, but I'm not sure if I just posted it on some webspace I had at the time. |
| 11:45:20 | linuxstb | Llorean: You didn't send it to the public mailing lists. |
| 11:45:53 | GodEaterWeb | linuxstb: cool - that's just what I was after |
| 11:45:56 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: http://pastebin.ca/310060 |
| 11:46:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, make sense. |
| 11:46:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wasn't entirely sure. |
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| 11:46:14 | linuxstb | GodEaterWeb: But I think power management is the biggest thing we would want. |
| 11:46:37 | linuxstb | (plus the DAC for the Sansa port) |
| 11:47:54 | GodEaterWeb | and (somewhat selfishly) how to do ATA properly :) |
| 11:48:55 | linuxstb | ATA works for me :) |
| 11:48:58 | jba | so i take it gotthardt isn't around? |
| 11:49:10 | GodEaterWeb | linuxstb: yeah yeah - stop teasing :) |
| 11:50:57 | jba | do any other targets have the issue where the bass and trebble sittings aren't saved/reloaded on rockbox power cycle? |
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| 11:52:26 | GodEaterWeb | http://pastebin.ca/310061 <−− my version. I'm going to email it to them, and submit it via their web form thingy. Comments welcome. |
| 11:53:07 | Llorean | I hunted down an individual's email address rather than the web form. The form might actually work better, but I figured it wasn't quite for what we were trying. I may have been wrong. |
| 11:53:19 | GodEaterWeb | only one way to be sure :) |
| 11:53:35 | GodEaterWeb | I may see if I can find someone at nVidia to send it to as well |
| 11:54:42 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: You might mention the PP502x series as the chips we're interested in, specifically 20 ,21, 22, and 24 (did I get the numbers right?) |
| 11:54:50 | Llorean | I'm not sure how many products they actually have available. |
| 11:54:55 | GodEaterWeb | good idea |
| 11:55:18 | GodEaterWeb | I think we'd want the 5002 for completeness too - in case we ever back port to the 1st and 2nd gen. |
| 11:55:22 | Llorean | The only one you mention specifically is the 24, and it would be bad if they only addressed that as it's specifically designed for flash based devices and may have some unforseen differences. |
| 11:55:38 | linuxstb | Rockbox is already running on the PP5002 (3rd gen) |
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| 11:56:33 | Llorean | Oh, right I contacted them like 2 or 3 weeks after it was announced that Apple was moving away from PP for their flash based players. |
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| 11:59:20 | jba | hopefully someon can respond during the night (one of the gigabeat guys?) and i'll read it in the logs tomorrow from work |
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| 12:00:22 | Llorean | jba: The iPod had that briefly. |
| 12:00:43 | Llorean | jba: Do the settings actually *definitely* do something other than just adjusting the volume? |
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| 12:00:55 | Llorean | Someone mentioned the treble seemed to raise bass too. |
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| 12:03:49 | GodEaterWeb | CGI IRC is even more flakey than usual today |
| 12:04:08 | GodEaterWeb | anyway - I just wondered what you thought about CCing their management team members directly ? |
| 12:06:01 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: If you CC it to too many people, it might have a negative effect. |
| 12:06:45 | Llorean | I would take your current letter, and send it to the form, and then wait a couple weeks. If no response at all, not even a rejection, then try the individuals. |
| 12:08:48 | luckz | did anybody see mr last.fm support developer lately? |
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| 12:12:13 | linuxstb | jba: I think you need to add WM8751 to the list of WM defines in various places, starting with apps/settings.c |
| 12:12:43 | linuxstb | (search for HAVE_WM in that file) |
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| 12:18:10 | Bagder | #6517... |
| 12:18:13 | * | Bagder sighs |
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| 12:19:12 | Mikachu | why does it have a due date? |
| 12:19:18 | Llorean | Bagder: There really should be a special form of rejection for requests like that, such as "What, do it AGAIN?!" |
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| 12:19:47 | scorche | so sad, some people... |
| 12:19:54 | Bagder | or perhaps we should just do it like "okay, we did it right now on your request, see here =>" |
| 12:20:09 | Mikachu | say you'll do it for $50 |
| 12:20:20 | Bagder | and we managed to double-close it! ;-) |
| 12:20:47 | Llorean | "Accepted, and completed, you had such a wonderful idea that we had to get right on it." |
| 12:21:10 | Llorean | The more closed, the better. |
| 12:21:32 | scorche | Bagder: can you change http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/Main/WebHome?template=oopsattention;def=bad_wikiname so it is correct and omits the JohnS example? |
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| 12:31:38 | Mikachu | "Good Examples" is confusing, it suggests that the ones in that column are what you should use |
| 12:33:08 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What's wrong with the examples? |
| 12:33:58 | Mikachu | it looks like RickO is a good name and Rick O is a bad one to me |
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| 12:34:25 | linuxstb | That's right. |
| 12:34:26 | Mikachu | i don't even understand what it's trying to tell me |
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| 12:34:41 | Mikachu | if they're all bad, what's wrong with JohnSmith? |
| 12:34:53 | scorche | the last 2 need to be removed |
| 12:34:57 | linuxstb | The Good Examples column is how you should write it. |
| 12:35:31 | scorche | i didnt mean JohnS....i meant the last two...sorry |
| 12:35:55 | linuxstb | What's wrong with the last two? |
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| 12:36:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think our Wiki is supposed to have full names, not one-character shortenings. |
| 12:36:35 | linuxstb | They're not one-character shortenings.... |
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| 12:36:49 | scorche | and it says so in the registration page, but not that page |
| 12:37:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: You think Keller's first name is actually just "F"? |
| 12:37:03 | scorche | "Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." |
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| 12:37:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
| 12:37:13 | Mikachu | and rick's last name is "O"? |
| 12:37:13 | linuxstb | Read the second column... |
| 12:37:19 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes. |
| 12:37:23 | linuxstb | Read the second column... |
| 12:37:29 | Mikachu | i took the text in () to be an explanation of why it was bad |
| 12:37:45 | Llorean | The second column implied to me that they just wanted to type a single character for the last name, rather than having a single character last name. |
| 12:38:01 | linuxstb | No, the second column is how NOT to write the name. |
| 12:38:43 | Llorean | Alrighty |
| 12:40:00 | scorche | linuxstb: yes, but the first column, last 2 rows are still wrong |
| 12:40:06 | linuxstb | Why? |
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| 12:40:26 | Llorean | scorche: Those are intended to be people who actually have single character first or last names. |
| 12:40:27 | scorche | see my last 2 lines |
| 12:40:32 | whootie | sup yall |
| 12:40:46 | scorche | ,,,they are? |
| 12:40:48 | whootie | hey, from what i can gather |
| 12:40:58 | whootie | rockboy is supposed to come proloaded |
| 12:40:59 | whootie | if ou will |
| 12:41:10 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes, which is why it tells you to put the first-name last if your first name is just a single letter. |
| 12:41:12 | whootie | on the latest daily ipod video build |
| 12:41:14 | Llorean | scorche: Apparently. The text in the () most likely means that, honestly, though I immediately dismissed it as meaning that since I haven't met anyone with a single character for either |
| 12:41:16 | scorche | whootie: it is a viewer....see the manual |
| 12:41:26 | whootie | i looked at the manual |
| 12:41:29 | whootie | i understand taht |
| 12:41:34 | whootie | but i cannot open the plugin |
| 12:41:38 | whootie | its not even listed |
| 12:41:47 | scorche | then read the manual again |
| 12:41:48 | linuxstb | whootie: Rockboy doesn't work on all devices Rockbox runs on. What do you have? |
| 12:41:49 | Mikachu | so you didn't in fact look at the manual, nor understand taht |
| 12:41:49 | Llorean | whootie: It is a viewer plugin. You do not open the plugin. |
| 12:41:50 | whootie | so i try adn download it, but cannot find it linked anywhere |
| 12:41:57 | whootie | ok |
| 12:41:58 | whootie | ... |
| 12:42:12 | Mikachu | if you select a gameboy game, it will open with rockboy automatically |
| 12:42:16 | whootie | ill read it word for word right now then |
| 12:42:21 | Bagder | if rockboy works for your target, it is included in every rockbox zip |
| 12:42:31 | whootie | ahhh... |
| 12:42:36 | whootie | i think thats the dael |
| 12:42:40 | whootie | deal |
| 12:42:45 | whootie | thanks |
| 12:43:05 | whootie | thankf Llorean and Bagder |
| 12:45:15 | whootie | ok |
| 12:45:22 | whootie | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
| 12:45:28 | whootie | is that what yall mean by manual?? |
| 12:45:32 | whootie | or something else? |
| 12:45:49 | Llorean | whootie: We mean the manual. The one behind the link "Manual" on every page of the site except the tracker. |
| 12:45:57 | Llorean | But that page also says it very explicitly |
| 12:46:33 | whootie | thanks |
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| 12:46:34 | whootie | i see |
| 12:46:46 | whootie | about the gb or gbc files |
| 12:47:18 | whootie | the only line i missed when skimming |
| 12:47:30 | whootie | the pic links dont work |
| 12:47:32 | whootie | btw |
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| 12:48:08 | Mikachu | http://web.archive.org/web/20050427003837/http://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox/ |
| 12:50:32 | whootie | http://web.archive.org/web/20070108115026/http://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox/old/pacman_gbc.jpg |
| 12:51:10 | whootie | holy shit man |
| 12:51:24 | whootie | thats the web host of that guy who passed |
| 12:52:15 | whootie | isnt that crazy |
| 12:52:22 | whootie | i think it said he was 23 at some college |
| 12:52:27 | whootie | younger than me |
| 12:52:32 | whootie | keelin over dead |
| 12:52:34 | whootie | wow |
| 12:52:41 | whootie | too bad |
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| 12:54:17 | Febs | whootie |
| 12:54:19 | Febs | we |
| 12:54:20 | Febs | like |
| 12:54:22 | Febs | using |
| 12:54:23 | Febs | sentences |
| 12:54:25 | Febs | here |
| 12:54:31 | Febs | btw |
| 12:55:05 | whootie | aight |
| 12:55:06 | whootie | sorry |
| 12:55:40 | Mikachu | haha |
| 12:55:44 | whootie | Anyways, so I understand that rockboy wont show up int he plugin list, but y9ou just open the rom file |
| 12:55:59 | whootie | But how do you "explore" to the file to "click" on it? |
| 12:56:20 | Llorean | whootie: i assume you've used Rockbox a little. Have you clicked on a song to play it? |
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| 12:58:03 | whootie | Correct. I have used it for the last 3 hours. |
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| 12:58:12 | whootie | Kudos to the development team |
| 12:58:14 | whootie | by the way |
| 12:58:22 | whootie | I really appreciate and ejoy all your hard work! |
| 12:58:32 | Llorean | whootie: That statement was a subtle hint that what you need to do is exactly the same as playing music files. |
| 12:58:42 | whootie | ive played music files |
| 12:58:43 | whootie | OH YEASH |
| 12:58:44 | whootie | shit |
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| 12:58:47 | whootie | im sorry |
| 12:58:58 | whootie | i remember the two different menu deals |
| 12:59:05 | whootie | click the center button |
| 12:59:11 | whootie | to get to the dir listing |
| 12:59:14 | whootie | OK |
| 12:59:17 | whootie | got it |
| 12:59:20 | whootie | thanks yall |
| 12:59:31 | whootie | for dealing with my dumb questions |
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| 13:09:30 | whootie | well |
| 13:10:42 | whootie | now i made a separate dir on my ipod hdd |
| 13:10:57 | whootie | and put all the roms in there. I then expected to be able to navigate there |
| 13:11:02 | whootie | and see them listed |
| 13:11:06 | whootie | and click on one |
| 13:11:09 | whootie | but that doesnt work |
| 13:11:25 | Llorean | You are navigating in filetree mode, not database, right? |
| 13:11:29 | whootie | does the dir have to be in the .rockbox one? |
| 13:11:40 | whootie | i wish i knew what that was and how to do either |
| 13:11:49 | Llorean | No, in fact it's harder to find if it's in .rockbox, since .rockbox is hidden. |
| 13:11:59 | linuxstb | Do you see the directory itself, and not the files, or neither/ |
| 13:11:59 | linuxstb | ? |
| 13:12:02 | whootie | yeah |
| 13:12:14 | whootie | i can see the r0mS dir i made |
| 13:12:21 | whootie | and i can navigate into it |
| 13:12:22 | whootie | but i cannot see any fiels listed |
| 13:12:25 | whootie | and there are like 6 |
| 13:12:54 | linuxstb | Hold MENU until the quick-menu comes up, and what does the bottom line say, under "Show FIles" ? |
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| 13:14:07 | whootie | see, i hopped in my car after flashing and getting it to work |
| 13:14:13 | whootie | and had to test it out witha blunt |
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| 13:14:19 | whootie | i was loving the voice option |
| 13:14:30 | whootie | but i never knew about no "Quick-Menu" |
| 13:15:27 | scorche | reading the manual is really something that everyone should do |
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| 13:15:34 | whootie | your right |
| 13:15:39 | whootie | imma go do that now |
| 13:15:49 | whootie | i never made it past the installation part earlier |
| 13:15:50 | whootie | heh |
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| 13:16:10 | scorche | Febs: i think you were ignored =/ |
| 13:17:03 | * | linuxstb is scared that whootie can operate a car... |
| 13:18:06 | scorche | i think that him saying that he named the dir "r0mS" says a lot... |
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| 13:25:12 | Wiwie | lol |
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| 13:34:22 | frasse[h] | im owning a iRiver E10.. i cant find any info on the rockbox site that there is any progress towards porting to E10.. so i wonder is there any activity that is not published? anyway, if not how do you guys/girls go about when you start porting for a new machine? |
| 13:35:30 | GodEaterWeb | frasse[h]: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort |
| 13:35:30 | Llorean | frasse[h]: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 13:35:42 | frasse[h] | thanks |
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| 13:39:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: I've got a fixed-point blit synth I made up. :) A messy one with only square output atm but operational nonetheless. |
| 13:39:43 | pixelma | frasse[h]: IIRC there was at least one guy to start investigating the E10's hardware... it must be in the wiki too |
| 13:40:07 | frasse[h] | ok ill try to find it |
| 13:40:13 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info |
| 13:40:21 | frasse[h] | ah thanks |
| 13:40:51 | frasse[h] | 200 mhz arm.. can be handy |
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| 13:51:31 | bluebrother | Bagder: I just read your comment about FS #5903. Should we move the game files to /.rockbox/doom (because rockboy uses /.rockbox/rockboy) or move all game data (including rockboy) to /.rockbox/gamedata/<name>? |
| 13:51:45 | Febs | Llorean: I just copied you on a PM to "Nicolaw" in the forums. |
| 13:52:44 | Febs | Who is apparently an idiot, because he still can't understand why I locked his thread where he asked questions about using SonicStage on Sony players. |
| 13:53:52 | Llorean | Febs: It's possible that he intended his post as a very, very, very poorly worded attempt at starting a New Port thread, which then immediately moved to off topic discussion, but that still doesn't excuse that he continued the off topic, and that he reacted the way he did. |
| 13:58:00 | Febs | I honestly don't think he had any intent to request a new port. I think that he just wants to know how to get SonicStage to use MP3s instead of ATRAC and figured "oh, these are computer guys so they can help me." |
| 13:58:50 | Llorean | I dunno, he did make mention of searching specifically for alternate firmware for it, and then discovered that we didn't support it. |
| 13:59:33 | Llorean | Either way, his thread was off topic very quickly, and his excuse that nobody reads the rules is rather arrogant of him, I think. |
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| 14:00:45 | Llorean | I have a very low tolerance for people who try to excuse themselves, as if "I didn't care enough to read the rules" actually makes it okay. |
| 14:01:30 | Llorean | Especially since we have the POSTING IN THIS FORUM reminders in every forum, just to be safe. I honestly believed those would help for a little while |
| 14:02:38 | Febs | As we say in my profession, Ignorantia juris non excusat ("ignorance of the law is no excuse"). |
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| 14:04:46 | Llorean | Aye |
| 14:10:17 | LinusN | i still think we should be a little more tolerant with noobs of his kind, because not all forums on the net are as strict as ours |
| 14:10:36 | LinusN | it gives a somewhat unfriendly feeling |
| 14:10:41 | LinusN | imho |
| 14:11:19 | Llorean | LinusN: I'm not sure what you mean by tolerance in this case. |
| 14:12:07 | LinusN | well, maybe not this case (i haven't seen anything especially rude in that thread though, was it removed?) |
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| 14:12:32 | Llorean | LinusN: When Febs first locked the thread, the OP responded by sending him a PM accusing him of closing the thread just because he hated Sony. |
| 14:12:52 | LinusN | i think that thread was closed too early |
| 14:12:56 | Llorean | Nothing particularly rude, on either side, as far as I'm aware. |
| 14:13:08 | Llorean | LinusN: I am a little concerned about that as well. |
| 14:13:48 | Llorean | Upon seeing the thread and hearing about how the person responded to Febs, I sent him an email explaining that the forum was intended for starting new ports, and that from the context of the discussion, that thread was not about it, and trying to explain clearly why I thought the thread was closed and what would be appropriate. |
| 14:13:51 | thegeek | LinusN: did you get the h120 I sent? |
| 14:13:53 | Llorean | He never responded back to me. |
| 14:13:56 | LinusN | i think febs was a little too fast on the close button "However, this discussion has nothing to do with Rockbox and really is not appropriate for the Rockbox forums." |
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| 14:14:51 | Febs | I'm surprised that you feel that way. |
| 14:14:53 | LinusN | thegeek: i don't know. there is a package waiting for me at the post office, it could be it |
| 14:15:10 | thegeek | ok;P |
| 14:16:45 | * | Llorean isn't really sure on this one. |
| 14:16:58 | Llorean | I think given the initial evidence, I wouldn't have locked the thread, but posted a warning. |
| 14:17:10 | LinusN | Febs: in this particular case, it might have been too off-topic, but i get the feeling that we are a little too harsh in the forums |
| 14:17:22 | Llorean | But seeing Nicolaw's responses to the action, I'm more convinced that it was perhaps how it would've ended anyway. |
| 14:17:23 | LinusN | in general |
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| 14:18:07 | Llorean | LinusN: I try to respond on a sliding scale. If someone says "I'm not sure if this is in the right place" or anything else like that, I'll move it up front, and probably even explain why I put it where I did. |
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| 14:18:39 | Llorean | If it contains no such disclaimer and it's in one of the Installation forums, I'll lock it, and tell the user to read the rules. |
| 14:18:42 | Febs | LinusN, I agree with you generally, just not with respect to this particular thread. |
| 14:18:46 | Febs | :) |
| 14:18:49 | LinusN | hehe |
| 14:19:26 | Llorean | If it's in New Ports or Unsupported Builds and is completely off topic, (like someone requesting an unsupported build) I'll probably delete it, and explain to the user why it was removed in a PM. |
| 14:19:49 | LinusN | i believe it could be a clash with how other community forums are |
| 14:19:57 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 14:20:04 | LinusN | many other communities have a chit-chat nature |
| 14:20:10 | Llorean | I think I'm a bit overly harsh, honestly, when it comes to people clearly ignoring the POSTING IN THIS FORUM bit. |
| 14:21:06 | LinusN | but the rockbox forum is more of a support channel than a community |
| 14:21:51 | LinusN | so people get a little surprised when they are moderated |
| 14:21:56 | Llorean | I think how "community" it is also sorta varies from subforum to subforum. |
| 14:22:07 | LinusN | yes |
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| 14:22:21 | LinusN | we even call them the Rockbox Community Forums :-) |
| 14:22:28 | Llorean | WPS and General, are a lot looser. |
| 14:23:06 | Llorean | And I honestly don't care at all about the contents of threads in Unsupported Builds as long as the first post and topic follow the guidelines. I'll come in and clean up if an OP requests it, but that's about it. |
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| 14:23:28 | LinusN | also, if you are new to this forum thing, you don't know that you are supposed to read the stickies |
| 14:23:35 | Llorean | That is true. |
| 14:24:25 | LinusN | then we can go on and whine about the kids today, and how they are used to being spoon-fed |
| 14:24:31 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 14:24:47 | Llorean | I'll try to come across less harshly then. |
| 14:24:54 | LinusN | which is absolutely true if you ask me :-) |
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| 14:25:36 | Llorean | I wish there were some way to prevent click-through on the "I agree" part of the signup though. |
| 14:25:53 | Llorean | But a timer just means they walk away for 15 seconds, not actually read it. |
| 14:26:10 | LinusN | exactly |
| 14:26:32 | LinusN | and i also think that the user is too eager to start posting when he/she signs up |
| 14:26:42 | Llorean | That's often the case. |
| 14:26:49 | Llorean | There are a lot of panicky "I broke my player" posts. |
| 14:26:59 | LinusN | i think you start by reading/searching the forum and then decide to post |
| 14:27:00 | Llorean | But then I've tried to be nice to those, because I know they're in a bit of a fragile state. |
| 14:27:18 | Stalwart | ipods are unbreakable |
| 14:27:29 | LinusN | and it's more often "Rockbox broke my player" :-) |
| 14:27:37 | Llorean | Stalwart: Yes, but it's hard to convince people of that. |
| 14:27:52 | Llorean | I don't know how many times I've had to repeat to someone "No, menu+select WILL work, try it again" about 4 or 5 times. |
| 14:27:58 | Stalwart | i broke my nano several times, but itunes always resurrected it for new rockbox builds ;) |
| 14:28:07 | strid | hm |
| 14:28:09 | Febs | I can tell you honestly that I will never have any patience for someone who posts "What's the status of this?" directly under a post that says "please do not post just to ask about the status." |
| 14:28:15 | strid | I just formatted my near-bricked ipod |
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| 14:28:20 | strid | it's still in disk mode |
| 14:28:27 | Hadaka | I skimmed the wiki but couldn't find a current answer - any work done on 2nd gen ipod nanos? working on it or not going to happen? |
| 14:28:29 | strid | I wonder if it'll turn full-fleded brick when I disconnect it |
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| 14:28:41 | Stalwart | strid: easiest way is to allow itunes to resurrect it |
| 14:28:45 | Llorean | Hadaka: Nobody is working on it right now, but that doesn't meant it won't happen, just that nobody's doing it. |
| 14:29:02 | strid | Stalwart: is there a way that doesn't involve installing itunes+quicktime? |
| 14:29:05 | Hadaka | Llorean: okay, so no showstoppers in sight? |
| 14:29:09 | Llorean | Febs: That's actually what set off our friendly Kansas guy who dodged the ban. |
| 14:29:18 | Stalwart | strid: install rockbox properly? or ipodlinux |
| 14:29:28 | Llorean | Hadaka: Plenty of large hurdles. New hardware, firmware is encrypted, etc. |
| 14:29:37 | Hadaka | Llorean: nods |
| 14:29:44 | strid | Stalwart: what |
| 14:29:59 | Llorean | LinusN: I think that despite our forums strictness though, overall we have a pretty strong image for supporting the software. |
| 14:30:16 | LinusN | i believe so too |
| 14:30:38 | Stalwart | strid: i deleted entire second ipod partition and it survived |
| 14:30:55 | Stalwart | i just allowed itunes to restore it, then installed rockbox again |
| 14:31:22 | Llorean | strid: You can't brick an iPod just by changing the contents of the disk (unless that change happens to include putting a program that will overwrite flash into position to be loaded by the bootloader) |
| 14:31:44 | strid | I'm pretty tempted |
| 14:31:57 | Mikachu | or overwrite the bootloader with a program that takes said action |
| 14:32:18 | Llorean | Mikachu: Well, I was referring to the in-flash bootloader in that case. |
| 14:32:29 | Mikachu | ah |
| 14:32:34 | Mikachu | i withdraw my statement |
| 14:32:47 | Llorean | Well, I was a bit vague. |
| 14:33:16 | Stalwart | Mikachu? you're using rockbox? :D |
| 14:33:43 | Mikachu | yes, do i know you? ;) |
| 14:34:38 | Stalwart | Mikachu: i was chatting on #openbox some time ago |
| 14:34:47 | Mikachu | ah |
| 14:34:48 | Llorean | LinusN: We could always put up a Community forum, actually. For people to announce Rockbox-related sites, share general news they feel might be of interest to Rockbox users, or just chit-chat without the fear of moderation? |
| 14:35:08 | Stalwart | Mikachu: what player do you have/ |
| 14:35:12 | Mikachu | nano |
| 14:35:14 | Stalwart | :D |
| 14:35:17 | * | Stalwart too |
| 14:35:21 | LinusN | Llorean: could be a good idea |
| 14:35:29 | Stalwart | did you manage to install ipodlinux on it? |
| 14:35:40 | Mikachu | i did once, but i don't have it installed now |
| 14:36:13 | Stalwart | does battery last longer on ipl or on rockbox? |
| 14:36:26 | Mikachu | no idea, i've only run out once or twice |
| 14:36:44 | Llorean | LinusN: With the rules being mostly "Nothing illegal" "Try to keep it related to Rockbox, or things that would be of interest to Rockbox users" and that vein? |
| 14:37:10 | Stalwart | i like the idea of having full-featured system behind fancy gui ;) |
| 14:37:11 | LinusN | Llorean: yes |
| 14:37:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Shall I go ahead 'n pop one up then? |
| 14:38:43 | LinusN | i dunno, what would be the practical difference from the General forum? |
| 14:38:53 | Llorean | The General is still specifically on-topic to Rockbox. |
| 14:39:16 | Llorean | It'd be Rockbox related questions that don't fit one of the others, such as questions about the website, etc. |
| 14:39:20 | Llorean | At least, ideally |
| 14:39:51 | Llorean | A Community/Social could include something like discussion of IpodLinux. Even though that's off-topic for Rockbox, it's something of an interest to the community, since it is an alternative. |
| 14:40:33 | Llorean | While it vaguely relates to Rockbox (ie, what do Rockbox users think of it?) it's not really a valid topic in any of our other forums. |
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| 14:41:23 | Llorean | It'd almost, but not quite, be an off-topic board. |
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| 14:44:57 | LinusN | the question is: do we want such a forum? we would still have to moderate it |
| 14:45:27 | Llorean | Aye. |
| 14:46:05 | LinusN | let us think about it for a few days before creating it |
| 14:46:06 | Llorean | Another option is to change the forum name from "Rockbox Community Forums" to "Rockbox Technical Forums" to give a better feel for what it is |
| 14:46:14 | LinusN | or even Support Forums |
| 14:46:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: you're a code wizard |
| 14:46:34 | Llorean | I thought about support first, but then there's also development talk, WPS discussion, etc. |
| 14:46:53 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 14:47:05 | Llorean | Maybe there's a word that encompasses both, but Technical's the best I've got right now. |
| 14:47:22 | LinusN | better than community at least |
| 14:47:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd really like to hear the sound quality, btw |
| 14:47:46 | Mikachu | you could write "rockbox word 1 and word 2 forums" |
| 14:47:54 | Llorean | Mikachu: You could. |
| 14:48:37 | Llorean | I think "Technical" though sounds friendlier than "Development and Support" though, honestly. Or at least, less awkward. |
| 14:48:47 | Llorean | But the name hardly has to change immediately either. |
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| 14:49:52 | LinusN | preglow: what did jhMikeS do? |
| 14:50:06 | preglow | make a blit synth |
| 14:50:07 | strid | new and exciting ipod crashes! |
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| 14:50:12 | preglow | a way of generating alias free waveforms |
| 14:50:14 | strid | intense voided warranties! |
| 14:50:17 | preglow | like sawtooth, square, triangle, etc |
| 14:50:23 | strid | useful paperweights within! |
| 14:50:50 | strid | whirrrrrr..clicka |
| 14:51:01 | LinusN | preglow: where? |
| 14:51:11 | strid | where can I buy ipod hdds? |
| 14:51:15 | preglow | LinusN: dunno, i just read in the logs that he'd made one |
| 14:51:18 | LinusN | oh |
| 14:51:26 | Llorean | strid: Which model iPod? |
| 14:51:33 | strid | 5g |
| 14:51:33 | jhMikeS | preglow: it's completely clean |
| 14:51:49 | Llorean | strid: What capacity? |
| 14:52:05 | strid | 30gb |
| 14:52:09 | strid | (other than ebay= |
| 14:52:10 | strid | ) |
| 14:52:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: samples? :> |
| 14:53:02 | jhMikeS | Sure, I've got a sample. I was having it dump the output to a file. Where can I upload it? I don't have a place. |
| 14:53:19 | Llorean | strid: You just need to search for the MK3008GAL |
| 14:53:49 | markun | thank you Malcolm Tyrrell for this nice Mazezam game! |
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| 14:53:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: no idea, dcc? |
| 14:54:18 | jhMikeS | I think my firewall isn't set up properly but maybe that's only for receive. I'll try. |
| 14:56:00 | preglow | doesn't look good |
| 14:56:49 | preglow | no hurry anyway |
| 14:56:50 | jhMikeS | haven't tried it yet. ok, I'm stupid out this stuff. is there a command for it? |
| 14:57:17 | preglow | hmm, haven't done it in ages myself |
| 14:57:23 | preglow | /dcc send nick file ? |
| 14:57:34 | markun | preglow: greetings from Paris :) |
| 14:57:40 | preglow | markun: haha, hiya |
| 14:57:44 | preglow | markun: how's things? |
| 14:57:56 | goffa | markun: you're alive ;) |
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| 14:58:27 | markun | goffa: yes, still :) |
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| 14:58:50 | strid | Llorean: thanks |
| 14:58:52 | markun | I'm staying in a very small appartment with some marocan guys I met in an internet cafe |
| 14:59:04 | markun | I hope to find something for myself soon |
| 14:59:24 | markun | preglow: and it's so nice I could take my gigabeat with me |
| 14:59:53 | Llorean | markun: (And other gigabeat guys that I don't know the names of) this may be of interest: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8064.msg62888;topicseen#msg62888 |
| 14:59:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: did that come through? it seems to have accepted the command. |
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| 15:00:37 | strid | uh oh |
| 15:00:37 | markun | I read there was a feature request to NOT support SAT encrypted files? :) |
| 15:00:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: did indeed |
| 15:00:42 | strid | too hung over to find the themes site |
| 15:00:52 | strid | black glass thing where are you |
| 15:01:08 | markun | Llorean: ah yes, we didn't fix that yet |
| 15:01:10 | LinusN | does anybody know what the issue is with the voice files and recording that is discussed in the mailing list? |
| 15:01:16 | markun | Ask sloth to do it :) |
| 15:01:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, it doesn't send, though |
| 15:01:29 | jhMikeS | I'll try again with firewall DMZ |
| 15:01:55 | Mikachu | if you're using irssi you can try /dcc -passive ... |
| 15:02:10 | linuxstb | Or just upload the file to somewhere like http://rapidshare.de |
| 15:02:27 | preglow | it's really not that critical, i can wait :> |
| 15:02:27 | pixelma | or send an email? |
| 15:02:42 | markun | preglow: a good thing is that the guy in the internet cafe let me install putty and update rockbox |
| 15:03:54 | preglow | deed |
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| 15:05:38 | mastaYoda | Hi |
| 15:06:12 | mastaYoda | On which platforms and with which toolchains is rockbox known to be buildable? |
| 15:06:14 | jhMikeS | preglow: no luck ? |
| 15:06:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: nah, your irc software seems to be giving me your lan ip |
| 15:06:48 | strid | which video formats does rockbox support for the 5g ipod? |
| 15:06:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: but nevermind this |
| 15:06:49 | preglow | i can wait |
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| 15:06:56 | Llorean | mastaYoda: We have explicit instructions for setting up the toolchains necessary, as well as a VMWare image if you just feel like a one-shot download, and a shell script if you want it automated for you on a *nix |
| 15:07:34 | Llorean | strid: Same as it supports for all the other color platforms: MPEG1 or MPEG2 with MP3 audio at 44.1khz |
| 15:07:36 | linuxstb | mastaYoda: Rockbox requires the standard GNU (gcc/binutils) toolchain and a posix-like environment (i.e. Cygwin or anything Unix-like). |
| 15:07:45 | mastaYoda | Llorean: OK, because I've set up a m68k-cross-compiler toolchain using gentoo linux |
| 15:08:08 | linuxstb | mastaYoda: Did you follow the Rockbox instructions, or use a Gentoo package? |
| 15:08:08 | mastaYoda | I had to hack the makefile a bit but now it fails with assembler error (undefined references) |
| 15:08:15 | mastaYoda | Maybe the problem is my 64bit platform? |
| 15:08:16 | jhMikeS | preglow: ok, there's public upload sites |
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| 15:08:48 | LinusN | mastaYoda: if you had to hack the makefile, you are doing thinks wrong |
| 15:08:56 | Llorean | mastaYoda: Several of our build servers are 64-bit. |
| 15:08:57 | LinusN | things even |
| 15:08:58 | mastaYoda | linuxstb: I've used crossdev, which is a tool to easily build cross-compile toolchains |
| 15:09:07 | mastaYoda | Llorean: ok, good |
| 15:09:20 | mastaYoda | LinusN: Was just a replacement of the compiler and linker names |
| 15:09:23 | linuxstb | mastaYoda: That's the problem. Follow our instructions. |
| 15:09:32 | Llorean | mastaYoda: You'd probably have been better off using the shell script, or the CrossCompiler wiki page instructions. |
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| 15:12:17 | mastaYoda | "GCC 4.1.0 is not able to build Rockbox correctly (it currently fails on some inline assembly and with the Tremor codec). You may also experience problems during the 4.1.0 cross compiler build; if so using the option "−−enable-libssp=no" during configure should help." |
| 15:12:21 | mastaYoda | Ah, that's my problem. |
| 15:12:32 | preglow | ehrm, i don't think that's quite true anymore |
| 15:12:43 | mastaYoda | /home/lars/Privat/rockbox/rockbox/librockbox.a(system-coldfire.o): In function `CDROMNEWBLK': |
| 15:12:43 | mastaYoda | system-coldfire.c:(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `system_display_exception_info' |
| 15:12:43 | mastaYoda | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 15:13:17 | preglow | and that just looks like something completely different |
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| 15:14:41 | * | Stalwart installed rockbox again |
| 15:14:51 | Stalwart | let's see how things improved since summer ;) |
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| 15:26:48 | mastaYoda | Llorean, linuxstb: thanks for your remarks. I guess I've found my mistake now. |
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| 15:27:34 | mastaYoda | I'd like to mention that I really like rockbox. I've used it since yesterday for my iAudio X5 and it is just amazingly cool. Much better than the original firmware |
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| 15:28:59 | * | Llorean wishes abuse contact points at ISPs were a bit more proactive. |
| 15:31:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: Should work now. http://filequest.net/file/121/synthout.zip.html |
| 15:32:18 | GodEaterWeb | Llorean: any particular reason ? |
| 15:32:31 | jhMikeS | just have to type in the number at the bottom of the page and hit submit I guess |
| 15:32:39 | jhMikeS | worked for me |
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| 15:34:08 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: Bit of a problem user in the forums, is all. |
| 15:34:38 | Llorean | And irritation about form letter responses that say "You didn't provide enough information" and then go on to list about 40 possibilities of what you could've been lacking, none really relevant to the situation you addressed. |
| 15:36:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, highest freq sounds a bit off |
| 15:37:21 | preglow | waveform does look good, though |
| 15:37:24 | preglow | maybe my ears are off |
| 15:37:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, you don't really need to reset the integrator for each freq change |
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| 15:39:34 | jhMikeS | I didn't reset it. it's just that it's switching and has the last value remaining. No real refinement yet |
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| 15:40:15 | markun | perldiver: do you still have your '"phasing" around 4000Hz band' problem? |
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| 15:41:41 | jhMikeS | I'll add better DC filtering. It's just a leaky integrator right now with a coeficient of .999. |
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| 15:41:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: and how are you going to improve on that? |
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| 15:44:46 | jhMikeS | Well, time constant coeficient for one, not sample contant. An actual full DC filter at the output. Cancel the initial integrator offset upon switching. Suppose I'll think of other stuff. :) |
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| 15:46:10 | jhMikeS | Of couse the thing that slows it up a lot is calling that fsincos function twice per sample. |
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| 15:48:04 | preglow | yeah, but blits need a really accurate sin function |
| 15:48:15 | preglow | so there's no real way to get rid of that, short of optimising that function |
| 15:49:03 | preglow | but yeah, good luck on the dc removal, it's not easy :> |
| 15:49:06 | jhMikeS | Well, I can cut the the number of vector rotation loops down and settle for less precision. |
| 15:49:17 | preglow | less precision isn't really an option, like i said, heh |
| 15:49:24 | preglow | but feel free to try |
| 15:49:27 | preglow | i've gotta brb |
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| 15:50:28 | jhMikeS | I'll experiment and see what I can get away with and keep the audio clean. |
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| 15:52:34 | jhMikeS | I can improve S/N by adjusting for quant error. Will try to remove as much 64 bit math as possible. It's so messy right now I wouldn't even want to show anyone the code :) |
| 15:53:23 | caas | if i want to restore my ipod firmware, should i run "dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sdc1", where /dev/sdc is my ipod? |
| 15:53:57 | Mikachu | that should work |
| 15:54:23 | caas | ok, i'll try that then |
| 15:56:44 | x1jmp | jhMikeS: can you tell me what kind of data the pcm_record_data writes to its *start pointer? |
| 15:57:46 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: samples from the DAC in native format |
| 15:57:50 | jhMikeS | ADC rather |
| 15:58:39 | x1jmp | how can I find out what the native format is? Are there some defines? |
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| 16:00:13 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: no. it's just whatever the DMA dumps into it. 16bit L-R pairs in native endian format. |
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| 16:01:47 | jhMikeS | See wav_enc.c or aiff_enc.c for details since they're very simle. Basically it just concerns itself with ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN or ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN. |
| 16:02:07 | jhMikeS | s/simle/small |
| 16:02:39 | amiconn | preglow: gcc 4.1.x doesn't work for m68k targets |
| 16:02:50 | x1jmp | is size parameter the size in bytes or just in samples? |
| 16:03:27 | amiconn | gcc 4.1.x doesn't know the 5249, but passes the -m option used for compilation to to gas - non-overridable |
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| 16:04:19 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: size in bytes |
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| 16:04:38 | amiconn | And the 5206e lacks some registers the 5249 has, so some assembler files fail, e.g. those using %mbar2 |
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| 16:06:30 | * | jhMikeS wishes the players' CPUs had bitrev and byterev for the codecs but who needs that in a DAP? :P |
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| 16:07:22 | x1jmp | and what's the use of the return value of that pcm_more_callback_type2 function? |
| 16:08:11 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: the return value tells it to continue transferring data or halt |
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| 16:11:28 | jhMikeS | I'd like to have the playback with the option to start a new tranfer before leaving the interrupt routine just like recording can and the "type2" thing can go away since they'll be the same but that's more work since playback is more widely used. |
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| 16:12:51 | x1jmp | now I'm confused... |
| 16:13:26 | x1jmp | I thought pcm_record_data should read size bytes and then call the callback to tell it's done |
| 16:14:24 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: It does exactly that. But you can call pcm_record_more and start the read to your next buffer before leaving the ISR |
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| 16:16:34 | jhMikeS | you can then process the the last data and record in parallel. |
| 16:18:04 | jhMikeS | it was done that way to make really low-latency simultaneous record-process-playback stuff doable. |
| 16:18:49 | x1jmp | yes, I would have done that by calling pcm_record_again and the processing the data, but pcm_record_again needs a callback function that returns and int and there's pcm_record_more to do the same? |
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| 16:19:34 | x1jmp | s/pcm_record_again/pcm_record_data/ |
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| 16:20:56 | x1jmp | the callback function tells whether to read data again, but that could be done using pcm_record_more |
| 16:22:46 | jhMikeS | the callback calls pcm_record_more to start the next transfer of data. see pcm_record.c starting at line 244 to see how it's used. |
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| 16:26:02 | x1jmp | ok, when I mentioned a callback I was talking about the pcm_more_callback_type2 which you have to provide pcm_record_data in a plugin |
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| 16:29:46 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: umm, but pcm_record_more doesn't need a callback function. the callback passed to pcm_record_data is used again. |
| 16:30:20 | * | jhMikeS is confused |
| 16:31:54 | x1jmp | and what does the callback function have to return? It calls pcm_record_more to record more, but also has to return an int |
| 16:32:33 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: even if you call pcm_record_more to start a new transfer and don't return from the callback immediately, returning < 0 from the callback will abort the transfer. |
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| 16:34:22 | x1jmp | jhMikeS: hm, I thought that should be done with pcm_stop_recording |
| 16:34:46 | jhMikeS | not from the ISR. from elsewhere sure |
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| 16:36:34 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: did you look at pcm_rec_have_more in pcm_record.c? It checks the status and if it can't continue, it returns -1 otherwise calls pcm_record_more and returns 0. |
| 16:39:54 | x1jmp | where would the data get written? If pcm_record_more wasn't called ther's no buffer left... |
| 16:41:25 | x1jmp | btw is pcm_more_callback_type2 called after a chunk is written or after size bytes are written? |
| 16:43:01 | jhMikeS | x1jmp: there's small hardware FIFOs that hold samples. On Coldfire it's set to hold 6. That code will be executed and return in time to put them in the buffer specified to pcm_record_more |
| 16:43:13 | jhMikeS | it's call after a chunk is written |
| 16:44:31 | jhMikeS | the interrupts occur when size bytes have been transferred to the buffer |
| 16:45:45 | jhMikeS | well, I guess on PortalPlayer they occur more often but your callback won't be called until all data is ready |
| 16:45:58 | x1jmp | isn't pcm_more_callback_type2 the interrupt in that case? |
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| 16:47:09 | jhMikeS | no, the interrupt handler is DMA1 in pcm-coldfire.c (or other target specific pcm-*.c that exists). |
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| 16:48:28 | x1jmp | well, thanks for your help |
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| 16:52:08 | Llorean | Oooh, Seagate's shipping a single-platter 1.8" 60gb drive, apparently |
| 16:53:40 | perl|work | how nice of them |
| 16:53:59 | perl|work | any idea on the price? |
| 16:54:33 | Llorean | No clue |
| 16:54:33 | tchan | Does anyone have a player recommendation if I'm looking to buy an older unit for rockbox usage ? Ipod 40Gig monochrome can be had for $129US or Toshiba Gigabeat F40S for $180. |
| 16:54:39 | Llorean | Apparently they just announced it at CES |
| 16:55:09 | Llorean | tchan: iRiver iHP-140. If you're willing to consider a mono player, it pretty much knocks the socks off other supported targets. |
| 16:55:09 | pixelma | Bagder: shouldn't the porter of the japanese font be added to CREDITS? |
| 16:55:27 | LinusN | tchan: iriver h1xx series is still one of the best rockbox targets imho |
| 16:56:54 | linuxstb | Anyone have any suggestions for a potential swcodec target with a 2.5" disk? How about one of the Archos devices supported by archopen? |
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| 17:05:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wouldn't mind seeing Rockbox on any larger device. |
| 17:06:16 | Llorean | I'm kinda a fan of electronics with mass anyway. And with Archopen you've got a starting point |
| 17:06:37 | tchan | checking for iRiver h140 −− it doesn't seem available anywhere except maybe on ebay. |
| 17:06:55 | Llorean | Oooh, good news, apparently the police don't think the 60 dead birds discovered this morning in the middle of the street aren't bird flu. |
| 17:06:57 | * | Llorean sighs. |
| 17:07:28 | Llorean | tchan: It's hard to come by, but it's one of the best in terms of audio features, and outside of the archoses is pretty much the best supported of current players. |
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| 17:08:13 | tchan | Llorean: the review of h140 don't mention that it's a mono player. Doesn't it play in stereo ? |
| 17:08:31 | Febs | It's a monochrome display. |
| 17:08:38 | tchan | ah, thanks. |
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| 17:19:22 | Bagder | hopefully we start svn transition in 5-6 hours |
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| 17:23:49 | * | linuxstb does the svn countdown dance |
| 17:24:21 | hcs | ooh, will there be a ball dropping in Times Square? |
| 17:25:38 | * | LinusN does the total buildserver chaos dance |
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| 17:25:53 | linuxstb | Anyone volunteering to write a "UsingSVN" page? |
| 17:26:40 | * | LinusN sells his Rockbox shares |
| 17:27:25 | * | hcs buys LinusN's Rockbox shares for half their value! |
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| 17:28:27 | perl|work | there was a really bright idea last night to hire an engineer and have rockbox product line |
| 17:28:42 | perl|work | :) |
| 17:30:02 | * | Mikachu does the cvs diff > temp.patch dance |
| 17:30:53 | Bagder | the plan is to keep cvs around for reading |
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| 17:31:28 | Bagder | so "cvs diff | (cd svn-checkout; patch -p0)" |
| 17:32:16 | linuxstb | Will usernames/passwords be migrated? |
| 17:32:26 | Bagder | usernames yes, passwords no |
| 17:32:35 | Bagder | I think |
| 17:33:02 | Bagder | we'll see ;-) |
| 17:33:07 | * | bluebrother heard the word "svn" |
| 17:33:31 | linuxstb | Is SVN the same as CVS regarding anonymous checkouts? i.e. you can't commit from an anonymous checkout? |
| 17:33:37 | Bagder | yes |
| 17:34:05 | * | Bagder is off for now |
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| 17:35:50 | RedZZR | perl: It would be good based on the Gigabeat - maybe buy up the old design from Toshiba... :) |
| 17:37:20 | amiconn | Bagder: Isn't today SVN move day? |
| 17:37:50 | perl|work | RedZZR im sure thats the last thing they're going to sell |
| 17:38:28 | RedZZR | uhm... well they have moved on to the Zune... maybe we should look in their trash... :) |
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| 17:39:02 | perl|work | they didnt really move, just doing some orders. they're constantly updating the gigabeat line |
| 17:39:10 | perl|work | check the japanese gigabeat site |
| 17:39:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: 17.19.22 # <Bagder> hopefully we start svn transition in 5-6 hours |
| 17:39:36 | perl|work | what is frustrating, they let great design ideas just die |
| 17:39:40 | amiconn | whoops, didn't see that |
| 17:40:18 | RedZZR | Yep, its hard to buy a Gigabeat F now in the UK and I've never seen the X ones at all... |
| 17:40:43 | perl|work | no support, no updates, no accessories, no nothing |
| 17:40:47 | perl|work | they just die out |
| 17:40:49 | goffa | yeah.. x is damn near impossible to find |
| 17:41:22 | perl|work | and X is one of the best mp3 players ever made in my opinion |
| 17:41:23 | goffa | f series is still obtainable via ebay |
| 17:41:44 | RedZZR | Real pity - now Rockbox is working on it... it was pretty dire on its original software / firmware... really crippled a decent device... |
| 17:41:51 | goffa | i like my iaudio x5l but they need to make one with a 60gb hd or so |
| 17:41:56 | perl|work | with rockbox on it, that is |
| 17:41:56 | goffa | at least 40 :) |
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| 17:43:48 | amiconn | goffa: The x5 is available as 60GB model |
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| 17:45:19 | perl|work | goffa how do you cope with that joystick and side phone jack? |
| 17:45:40 | Slasheri | hmm.. almost ready to commit that improved h100 bootloader. Now it also says battery voltage during bootloader usb mode |
| 17:45:51 | Slasheri | and lot of other fixes and features |
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| 17:51:33 | goffa | amiconn: but not with long battery :) |
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| 17:53:45 | preglow | oooh, svn!" |
| 17:53:53 | goffa | perl|work: i don't mind it a bit |
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| 17:54:09 | goffa | joystick isn't a whole lot different than the pad actually |
| 17:54:21 | goffa | side headphone jack isn't a big deal either |
| 17:54:29 | goffa | subpack is a little more of a concern |
| 17:54:54 | perl|work | ha |
| 17:56:25 | perl|work | i was always wondering how people are carrying it in their pockets |
| 17:56:39 | perl|work | if they do that is |
| 17:56:40 | goffa | you don't use the subpack when you cary it |
| 17:57:00 | perl|work | yeah but with side jack and all |
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| 18:08:43 | perl|work | hmm |
| 18:08:45 | perl|work | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/belkin-launches-tunestudio-for-ipod/ |
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| 18:13:32 | goffa | still not a prob with the side jack.. i dunno |
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| 18:13:45 | goffa | i cary it in my pocket all the time |
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| 18:27:11 | twochew | Slasheri, is the new bootloader up yet :) |
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| 18:37:49 | fasmaie | goffa, is it heavy enough to be unwieldy? |
| 18:38:13 | goffa | nah |
| 18:38:26 | goffa | not that much difference between it and h140 |
| 18:38:34 | fasmaie | Cool |
| 18:38:50 | goffa | actually gigabeat is lightest |
| 18:40:22 | goffa | hoping that new gigabeat comes in today |
| 18:40:48 | goffa | then i should know tomorrow which player my friend wants |
| 18:40:53 | fasmaie | Great |
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| 18:41:16 | fasmaie | Just so I know....about how much would you want for it? |
| 18:41:21 | goffa | kind of sounding like she'll take the x5... |
| 18:41:29 | fasmaie | Yay! |
| 18:41:50 | goffa | I'd take $115 plus whatever shipping is |
| 18:42:01 | fasmaie | Cool |
| 18:42:03 | goffa | it'd come preloaded with rockbox (mostly because of laziness :) |
| 18:42:11 | fasmaie | Better and better |
| 18:42:46 | goffa | and let you nuke the tunes (dunno what kind of music you like).. but there's about 30 gb on there |
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| 18:44:06 | perl|work | goffa is that f40 you're selling? |
| 18:44:15 | goffa | perl|work: yes.. if my friend doesn't take it |
| 18:44:20 | perl|work | nice price |
| 18:44:22 | Slasheri | twochew: not yet but i am planning to commit the patch soon and update the iriver flashing page |
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| 18:45:05 | perl|work | but you mentioned its a "she" |
| 18:45:17 | perl|work | suprising she prefers x5 |
| 18:45:38 | goffa | she's got kids.. wants the most durable one |
| 18:45:45 | fasmaie | Aha |
| 18:45:56 | fasmaie | Didn't you say you had an iRiver too? |
| 18:45:58 | perl|work | oh good point then |
| 18:45:59 | goffa | yeah |
| 18:46:12 | goffa | brb |
| 18:46:13 | goffa | trouble call |
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| 18:47:34 | dewdude_ | yeah, goffa's got like, everything |
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| 18:48:34 | fasmaie | True |
| 18:48:58 | fasmaie | My wife would kill me if I went around buying so many players |
| 18:49:00 | perl|work | i just want x30, id get rid od anything else i have |
| 18:49:36 | fasmaie | They're still on the expensive side |
| 18:49:59 | perl|work | the prices will never go down now |
| 18:50:18 | dewdude_ | heh, i bought my first one back in december...after saying for years i'd never get a disk based player, espically the one i would up getting |
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| 18:51:31 | goffa | back |
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| 18:51:36 | goffa | yeah... don't have to worry about a wife :) |
| 18:51:41 | goffa | yet anyway |
| 18:51:50 | fasmaie | ha ha |
| 18:52:31 | dewdude_ | i have a feeling if i ever step foot in wisconsin i'll be sacked and wake up married |
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| 18:52:58 | goffa | lol |
| 18:53:06 | dewdude_ | which is why i avoid that portion of the US |
| 18:53:09 | fasmaie | My wife is not bad...she does frown on my tech purchases, though |
| 18:53:21 | goffa | yeah... women here are like parking spaces |
| 18:53:34 | goffa | good ones are taken, the rest are ... handicapped |
| 18:53:42 | dewdude_ | ooooh |
| 18:53:55 | dewdude_ | abrasive |
| 18:54:00 | fasmaie | :) yup |
| 18:54:06 | goffa | lol... true... unfortunately |
| 18:54:12 | perl|work | goffa where's that |
| 18:55:00 | dewdude_ | yeah, actually...i'd marry chelsea..in a heartbeat. i still miss her..and i'd still get to buy all the tech stuff |
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| 18:55:09 | goffa | like i don't think there are any single women within a 50 mile radius that don't have kids |
| 18:55:37 | dewdude_ | and that counts as a handicap? |
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| 18:55:50 | dewdude_ | ....that is true |
| 18:56:16 | goffa | well... i don't want to step in and be "dad" to some kid they have enough shit to deal with |
| 18:56:35 | fasmaie | There are worse things |
| 18:56:44 | fasmaie | ......like iPods |
| 18:57:04 | goffa | true.. lol... but having kids tends to take your fun tickets away |
| 18:57:18 | goffa | as does being married |
| 18:57:29 | fasmaie | Yup, I have one....lots of sacrifices, but she's fun anyway |
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| 18:57:37 | perl|work | goffa what's that scary area you're talking about |
| 18:57:39 | goffa | not saying its not worth it |
| 18:57:48 | goffa | north eastern montana |
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| 18:58:16 | goffa | people tend to graduate high school and move |
| 18:58:32 | goffa | either that or they're over 40 |
| 18:58:57 | goffa | i'm in the upper 20's.. pushing 30 |
| 18:59:05 | dewdude_ | fasmaie, i have an ipod. |
| 18:59:15 | fasmaie | Whoops! |
| 18:59:21 | dewdude_ | don't diss them..once rockbox runs properly, it'll be a nice piece of hardware |
| 18:59:22 | perl|work | ouch! |
| 18:59:51 | fasmaie | Yeah, probably |
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| 18:59:53 | goffa | he he he.. time to head to lunch.. maybe i'll have a package sitting at home.. |
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| 19:00:07 | fasmaie | Do you see the battery issue being taken care of soon, though |
| 19:00:16 | dewdude_ | no.\ |
| 19:00:17 | twochew | thanks Slasheri |
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| 19:00:30 | dewdude_ | there's alot of stuff that needs to be done before worrying about battery |
| 19:01:00 | dewdude_ | i'm predicting 6 to 8 months before any real major major improvement is noted. |
| 19:01:02 | fasmaie | I have RB on my old 4th gen iPod. |
| 19:01:09 | fasmaie | It seems to be mostly fine |
| 19:01:19 | dewdude_ | i've got a video |
| 19:01:27 | perl|work | dewdude_ are you talking about the g5? |
| 19:01:28 | dewdude_ | 5.5 gen...mp3 playback makes the GUI lag when using EQ |
| 19:01:35 | fasmaie | Yes, I bought one of those for the wife |
| 19:01:56 | fasmaie | I've been tempted to take that back |
| 19:02:05 | fasmaie | But I like being married |
| 19:02:05 | perl|work | dewdude_ can you name some other issues with rockbox on it? |
| 19:02:24 | dewdude_ | umm...well |
| 19:02:29 | dewdude_ | i could go play with it a bit |
| 19:02:37 | fasmaie | New bootloader does not allow Apple firmware booting on the 4th gen |
| 19:02:39 | dewdude_ | i figured out what worked right now, and go with that |
| 19:02:42 | perl|work | well the most obvious ones |
| 19:02:47 | dewdude_ | codec speed |
| 19:03:04 | dewdude_ | the bass and treble controls shouldn't even be on the menu |
| 19:03:14 | dewdude_ | the EQ isn't that great. |
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| 19:03:31 | fasmaie | dewdude_: why not (bass and trebel)? |
| 19:03:39 | fasmaie | treble |
| 19:03:42 | dewdude_ | all they do on my 5g is raise the volume |
| 19:03:47 | dewdude_ | they don't actually do anything to the bass. |
| 19:03:51 | dewdude_ | or the trebl |
| 19:03:56 | dewdude_ | it just gets loud and distorted |
| 19:04:07 | fasmaie | They do work on the 4th gen |
| 19:04:18 | dewdude_ | i haven't tried lately |
| 19:04:21 | fasmaie | As far as I can tell |
| 19:04:30 | dewdude_ | all i know is i spent 3 hours tweaking the software EQ |
| 19:04:36 | perl|work | 5g has a cheaper amp |
| 19:04:50 | fasmaie | Yes, I heard that |
| 19:05:15 | fasmaie | Certainly my 4th gen sounds better (vanilla) than my wife's 5th gen |
| 19:05:36 | fasmaie | Even on good phones |
| 19:05:37 | perl|work | well my wife uses the 5g, i never really touch it but she was fascinated with rockbox on my gigabeats |
| 19:05:41 | dewdude_ | i got mine sounding not bad with my Shures |
| 19:06:03 | dewdude_ | i can't power my Sennheisers that well with it. plus i have to completely readjust the EQ. |
| 19:07:26 | dewdude_ | but, the main issue i had with it was the codec speed...and that's when i decided screw it all and convert everything to musepack. |
| 19:07:38 | DogBoy | lol |
| 19:07:57 | tchan | I just tried compiling up the UI Simulator and it mostly seems to work (I chose iPod4G), but is there some way to get out of the Info-Rockbox Info screen ? It seems locked up and I just have to close the SDL window. |
| 19:08:35 | dewdude_ | heh, i should of used the UI Sim when i modified my WPS...i just kept editing in text and booting the thing |
| 19:08:48 | dewdude_ | but, you should be able to |
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| 19:08:56 | tchan | seems to be a bug here... |
| 19:09:17 | fasmaie | I just can't listen to classical music compressed |
| 19:09:23 | dewdude_ | left takes me out |
| 19:09:33 | dewdude_ | fasmaie, you jsut haven't heard the right format |
| 19:09:40 | fasmaie | Also since the ipod is a 20Gb, I don't have enough space for the larger files |
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| 19:09:50 | dewdude_ | fasmaie, try musepack. |
| 19:10:04 | DogBoy | maybe fasmaie has better ears |
| 19:10:13 | fasmaie | How about file size dewdude_ |
| 19:10:16 | DogBoy | but I like classical on musepack too |
| 19:10:31 | dewdude_ | fasmaie, depends on your encoding profile. it's a purely VBR format |
| 19:10:33 | DogBoy | file size is good |
| 19:10:33 | tchan | dewdude_: thanks, left works for me too. Non-intuitive. :) |
| 19:11:05 | dewdude_ | sometimes you jsut gotta keep pressing buttons |
| 19:11:19 | fasmaie | DogBoy: I will admit to being somewhat uncompromising when listening to classical |
| 19:11:40 | dewdude_ | classical is the easiest to pick out of a compressed lineup too |
| 19:11:49 | dewdude_ | there's a lot of transients that are difficult to handle |
| 19:11:52 | DogBoy | fasmaie: me too, that's why it's flac or musepack |
| 19:11:58 | dewdude_ | plus classical is MASTERED properly |
| 19:11:58 | DogBoy | I usually can't tell the difference |
| 19:12:09 | fasmaie | I'll give it a shot |
| 19:12:25 | fasmaie | Generally, I have some old recordings though |
| 19:12:34 | dewdude_ | how old? |
| 19:12:40 | dewdude_ | like, first gen CD? |
| 19:12:55 | fasmaie | I have Rachmaninoff playing his own compositions |
| 19:12:57 | dewdude_ | early 80's first-gen DDD stuff is...ugh. |
| 19:13:07 | dewdude_ | heh |
| 19:13:11 | dewdude_ | ok, i don't know classical |
| 19:13:13 | dewdude_ | that tells me nothing |
| 19:13:17 | goffa | well.. home |
| 19:13:53 | goffa | ups man is on other side of town... should be here fairly soon (hopefully he stops) |
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| 19:14:07 | dewdude_ | ooh...those ARE old |
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| 19:14:26 | dewdude_ | are they professional/commercial releases |
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| 19:14:36 | fasmaie | Yup from the 40's |
| 19:14:47 | fasmaie | They are professional recordings |
| 19:14:54 | dewdude_ | ahh |
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| 19:15:14 | fasmaie | I had to have it, as he was considered the best pianist |
| 19:15:25 | dewdude_ | i got someone begging me to take some old 78's and do them t CD. |
| 19:15:34 | fasmaie | Have newer ones of the same compositions too |
| 19:15:58 | fasmaie | There are a few LP's I will someday convert |
| 19:16:05 | fasmaie | Not 78's though |
| 19:16:10 | dewdude_ | hrmm |
| 19:16:22 | dewdude_ | $75/lp full restortation |
| 19:16:27 | fasmaie | Can't get some of this stuff on CD |
| 19:16:35 | fasmaie | Yes, I know there are places online |
| 19:16:37 | fasmaie | that do it |
| 19:16:52 | dewdude_ | yes, i do too. |
| 19:17:00 | fasmaie | Oh cool |
| 19:17:00 | dewdude_ | i constantly have to try to undercut thier prices |
| 19:17:13 | dewdude_ | only, i don't charge extra for 96/24 processing |
| 19:17:17 | dewdude_ | i do everything in 96/24 |
| 19:17:37 | fasmaie | Great, now I only have to get my parents to ship me the LPs |
| 19:17:43 | fasmaie | :) |
| 19:18:02 | dewdude_ | haha |
| 19:18:58 | dewdude_ | i've been on break from the vinyl stuff tho....i did so much of it first half of last year i got burnt out |
| 19:19:23 | fasmaie | Well, there are only a couple of albums U want |
| 19:19:25 | fasmaie | I |
| 19:19:41 | dewdude_ | if you want samples, i can get them to you. |
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| 19:21:29 | fasmaie | Sure, but my parents (and the LPs) are in asia.....assuming my mother hasn't 'settled' my stuff |
| 19:21:45 | dewdude_ | haha. i plan on being in business a while |
| 19:28:26 | fasmaie | dewdude_: how do you want to get me the samples? |
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| 19:29:46 | Terinjokes | hello courtc! |
| 19:29:51 | courtc | Hola |
| 19:30:52 | goffa | lol.. ups truck is sitting across the street mocking me.. i'll bet the driver went to eat lunch next door |
| 19:31:04 | fasmaie | lol |
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| 19:34:10 | dewdude_ | i don't know, i plan on getting hosting soon. |
| 19:34:44 | goffa | whee |
| 19:34:49 | fasmaie | OK, I'l be around |
| 19:34:49 | goffa | player showed |
| 19:34:53 | fasmaie | Congrats |
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| 19:40:12 | amiconn | Slasheri: RED! |
| 19:40:13 | goffa | wow.. came with about 30gb of tunes |
| 19:40:22 | goffa | .sat's though |
| 19:41:18 | fasmaie | This is the 60GB, right? |
| 19:41:21 | kcleong | hello |
| 19:41:26 | goffa | yeah |
| 19:41:42 | kcleong | I'm having problems with my Ipod Nano (1th gen). |
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| 19:41:59 | fasmaie | What kind of problems? |
| 19:43:08 | kcleong | When I disconnect the USB cable without umounting the ipod, the original firmware loads. I know I must umount it, but it can happen occasionally. I must delete the rockbox bootlader and add it again. |
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| 19:43:53 | softi_42 | kcleong, did you try a reset |
| 19:44:05 | fasmaie | Yup try a reset |
| 19:44:09 | softi_42 | for me reset was sufficient after that problem |
| 19:44:24 | fasmaie | Why are you disconnecting before unmounting anyway? |
| 19:44:41 | kcleong | okay , I can reset it in the rockbox part? |
| 19:44:51 | fasmaie | Should work |
| 19:45:08 | fasmaie | If the files are not corrupted due to the bad disconnect |
| 19:45:10 | softi_42 | after reset it will normaly boot rockbox |
| 19:45:17 | fasmaie | Yup |
| 19:45:46 | kcleong | When I charge the ipod, sometimes I'm pulling out the cable without umounting... |
| 19:46:27 | fasmaie | Nah, you should try and unmount properly even then, though no data corruption should occur |
| 19:46:38 | kcleong | okay, that's clear |
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| 19:48:17 | goffa | hmm... attempting to copy 30gb of tunes in 15 mins... something tells me this ain't gonna happen :) |
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| 19:48:33 | fasmaie | Nope...lunch over then? |
| 19:48:43 | softi_42 | 2 GB /min bot bad ;) |
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| 19:48:52 | goffa | yeah... i'll just end up bringing the h140 to work |
| 19:49:27 | goffa | so.. .sat's .. just drm'd mp3? |
| 19:50:04 | fasmaie | dunno |
| 19:50:24 | goffa | oh.. and btw.. you dont need windows to put rockbox on gigabeat |
| 19:50:28 | goffa | just don't use the cradle |
| 19:50:29 | kcleong | The reset works, thanks. |
| 19:50:40 | fasmaie | kcleong: good |
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| 19:55:20 | Slasheri | amiconn: sorry, it seems that patch can't be committed in portions.. will be fixed soon :) |
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| 19:55:53 | goffa | what the... i had some wma's .. lol |
| 19:56:29 | * | amiconn wonders whether we'll ever see a working wma codec |
| 19:57:04 | amiconn | speex is another long-term promise |
| 19:57:16 | goffa | well marsdaddy came close |
| 19:57:21 | goffa | but his house burnt down |
| 19:57:33 | goffa | dunno if that patch works or not |
| 19:57:33 | goffa | should try it just for s&g's |
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| 19:58:09 | goffa | well..back to the ol' grind.. |
| 19:58:19 | fasmaie | Have fun |
| 19:58:42 | perl|work | goffa sat's are not "drm'ed" mp3s |
| 19:58:51 | perl|work | its just a software wrapper |
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| 20:00:05 | perl|work | you can "save" them by copying them back to pc in windows media mode using the cradle |
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| 20:04:36 | goffa | perl|work: can you just rename them? |
| 20:04:44 | goffa | oh ok |
| 20:05:00 | goffa | didn't red your 2nd message |
| 20:05:22 | goffa | i'll have to do that.. guy had a lot of tunes on there |
| 20:05:31 | goffa | looked to have similar taste in music |
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| 20:06:08 | perl|work | haha amusing |
| 20:06:25 | perl|work | but yeah theres no easy way around it and, wait for it... |
| 20:06:38 | perl|work | it will let you do it only in usb 1.0 speeds |
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| 20:06:44 | goffa | lol |
| 20:06:55 | goffa | stuff's probably getting nuked then |
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| 20:10:36 | perl|work | goffa they crippled it good |
| 20:10:54 | goffa | yeah... gotta wonder the rationale behind that |
| 20:10:56 | goffa | but whatever |
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| 20:12:55 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm.. i wonder what has gone wrong with the rom.lds :/ |
| 20:14:19 | Slasheri | ah.. |
| 20:14:26 | Slasheri | it seems archos needs stack in DRAM |
| 20:15:48 | amiconn | Yes, sure |
| 20:16:02 | amiconn | The main stack alone is twice as large as the whole SH1 IRAM |
| 20:16:43 | amiconn | I thought you tested this some time ago? |
| 20:17:15 | Slasheri | yes, i did some test.. but somehow i didn't spot that problem |
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| 20:18:27 | Slasheri | ok, now it seems to compile fine |
| 20:20:26 | Slasheri | maybe i will commit rest of the stuff (updated iriver_flash -plugin, bootloader etc.) tomorrow |
| 20:22:34 | amiconn | Just a minor thing: The check should check for > 0x2000 because that's the size of the main stack |
| 20:23:32 | amiconn | (but it should work as it is now, because we don't have a target with an iram size close to this limit) |
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| 20:29:11 | fasmaie | goffa: If you don't mind me asking, how much did you shell out for the X60? |
| 20:29:34 | perl|work | its F60 |
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| 20:30:28 | fasmaie | Oh, I thought he got the X series |
| 20:30:28 | perl|work | if he was getting an X60 id stop talking to him :P |
| 20:31:31 | * | amiconn is slightly puzzled |
| 20:31:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: Somehow archos binary size decreased slightly with your commits, but I can't see how... |
| 20:32:25 | Slasheri | hehe, but that sounds good then :D |
| 20:32:42 | amiconn | Depends... if it's a missing section then it's bad |
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| 20:35:17 | goffa | fasmaie: $165 |
| 20:35:31 | goffa | and F60 is right |
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| 20:36:16 | goffa | f60 and f40 are identical form factor too btw... but 40 is lighter |
| 20:36:31 | goffa | one less platter probably |
| 20:37:10 | fasmaie | Overall, the H140 is smaller, though? |
| 20:37:30 | goffa | not talking h140 |
| 20:37:37 | pixelma | do the rockboxable Gigabeats have a built-in radio? |
| 20:37:43 | goffa | no |
| 20:37:44 | amiconn | Hmm, having the cvs .map files accessible would be really handy now :/ |
| 20:38:01 | goffa | h140 is thicker but not as wide |
| 20:38:22 | pixelma | pity.. but thanks for answering :) |
| 20:38:41 | goffa | yeah no recording as far as i know either |
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| 20:39:57 | goffa | hmm.. looking outside its going to be a good night to stay indoors and play around with the gigabeat |
| 20:40:52 | goffa | 31mph wind right now with gusts up to 50 |
| 20:41:00 | goffa | and snowin pretty hard too |
| 20:41:17 | perl|work | goffa im sure you will like the player |
| 20:41:36 | goffa | i'm sure i will too... its just like the 40 with a bigger hd |
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| 20:43:00 | Lars_G | Bagder: :') thanks you make me feel accepted |
| 20:43:02 | goffa | wish there was a linux way to convert those sat files |
| 20:43:05 | Lars_G | Even if it was for a small small thing |
| 20:43:52 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Ask the person who owns the build server... |
| 20:45:07 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 20:45:36 | amiconn | I don't get these size differences here, but I use the very same sh-elf-gcc version as the build servers |
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| 20:46:01 | Lars_G | Maybe one is stripping and the other is not? |
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| 20:47:05 | amiconn | The binaries are all stripped, 'cause they are plain binaries |
| 20:47:28 | Lars_G | ah true |
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| 20:50:34 | linuxstb_ | Can you tell the binutils version? |
| 20:54:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: You moved an ALIGN(4) which might cause problems |
| 20:55:37 | amiconn | The old rom.lds used to align the end of the bss section before the _end / end symbol. Now this is done after the symbol, just before _audiobuffer / audiobuffer |
| 20:55:50 | amiconn | But the copy loop in crt0 only handles longs... |
| 20:56:14 | amiconn | s/copy loop/zerofill loop/ |
| 20:56:18 | Slasheri | oh.. |
| 20:56:24 | Slasheri | could you put it back where it was? |
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| 20:57:08 | * | amiconn diff'ed the two .map files, before & after |
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| 20:59:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: Sorry, I confused myself |
| 20:59:20 | amiconn | In fact you corrected that mistake - it was there before... |
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| 21:00:12 | * | amiconn should not put the old file to the right of the new one :/ |
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| 21:02:58 | amiconn | Other than having some symbols defined in both sh-elf and standard elf form (with and without leading underscore), I don't see any problems in the new .map |
| 21:03:37 | tucoz | wonder if the empty dirs will be removed in the cvs->svn migration, or if we'll have to remove those from the svn repository |
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| 21:04:09 | GodEater | ooh - when's that due again ? |
| 21:04:17 | tucoz | today (hopefully) |
| 21:04:55 | tucoz | in fact, i think it's scheduled to start in the next few hours |
| 21:04:59 | goffa | ew... let me see if i've got this straight.. from what i see.. removing the .sat encryption reencodes the mp3? |
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| 21:06:14 | bluebrother^ | tucoz, I rotated the keys in the chip8 table. Do you think this is good or rather confusing? |
| 21:06:25 | bluebrother^ | they won't be rotated in the html version though. |
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| 21:06:31 | tucoz | I saw that. I think it's great |
| 21:06:47 | bluebrother | nice. I was looking for a way to get those fitting in one line. |
| 21:06:49 | tucoz | i can not see how we should arrange that table otherwise |
| 21:07:29 | bluebrother | me neither. |
| 21:07:31 | combrains | goffa, how do you remove the sat encryption? |
| 21:07:54 | bluebrother | btw, I did a cvs commits stats for fun. You beat me way out :) |
| 21:08:12 | tucoz | hehe. i have commited lot's of stuff from you and nls |
| 21:08:33 | bluebrother | but it's a bit strange, cvschanglogbuilder creates a different number than cvs2cl.pl |
| 21:08:33 | goffa | combrains: supposedly through media player according to perl|work |
| 21:08:41 | tucoz | so i think the stats are a bit weird |
| 21:08:49 | bluebrother | but funny :) |
| 21:08:51 | tucoz | not weird, but misleading |
| 21:08:52 | goffa | but i might be removing it with rm :) |
| 21:08:53 | tucoz | hehe |
| 21:08:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:09:08 | combrains | oh. I didn't think that there was actually a way to do it :) |
| 21:09:11 | bluebrother | you get a quite high line count, but the svg are text ... |
| 21:09:20 | tucoz | i always say quantity over quality ;) |
| 21:09:24 | perl|work | combrains not really through media player |
| 21:09:28 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 21:09:49 | perl|work | while connected with the cradle, gigabeat has 2 modes |
| 21:09:53 | perl|work | usb mode and windows media mode |
| 21:09:59 | goffa | ah |
| 21:10:10 | bluebrother | according to cvschangelogbuilder the manual folder now has >12000 lines of text, while it was only 6000 a year ago |
| 21:10:26 | bluebrother | looks like it evolved nicely |
| 21:10:28 | tucoz | it's great to see the old tables being removed. I actually thought we were done with those |
| 21:10:34 | combrains | ah yes- and you can drag and drop via the wm mode |
| 21:10:37 | perl|work | in windows media mode, using cradle (and DUH 1.0 sub speed) you can transfer them back to PC stripping .sat encryption as you go |
| 21:10:40 | combrains | i remember |
| 21:11:05 | bluebrother | I also thought all files at least had a $Id$ header, but I found still quite a few who didn't |
| 21:11:12 | combrains | so the whole system is REALLY pointless then |
| 21:11:32 | bluebrother | I was thinking about automatically replacing those lines with out new header and leave the exact copyright notice to get added later |
| 21:11:38 | tucoz | yep. i thought of the same thing a few days ago. we have a nice set of nearly "finished" manuals now, and a few on the way to be that. |
| 21:12:14 | tucoz | good idea. just run a script on the whole lot, and add that will probably be the easiest |
| 21:12:23 | perl|work | combrains it really is |
| 21:12:49 | bluebrother | one would need to proof-read all manuals and fix the remaining stuff. But I don't have the time atm to only think about such a thing |
| 21:12:54 | combrains | has anyone else had shutdown probs witht the gb lately? |
| 21:13:00 | * | bluebrother needs to read a book about java :-/ |
| 21:13:04 | combrains | mine doesnt save my settings |
| 21:13:06 | perl|work | never had a shutdown problem |
| 21:13:13 | perl|work | ah |
| 21:13:25 | tucoz | bbl, got to get the baby to sleep |
| 21:13:28 | perl|work | all the time? |
| 21:13:33 | combrains | yeah |
| 21:13:36 | perl|work | or just after 1st shut down |
| 21:13:41 | combrains | all the time |
| 21:14:12 | combrains | the disk used to spin up and save the settings but since sloth's DMA commits it hasn't |
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| 21:16:12 | perl|work | delete everything, just put the latest build |
| 21:16:25 | perl|work | and do the reboot with hold switch on |
| 21:16:53 | combrains | I overwrite everthing whn I unzip the CVS builds anyway |
| 21:17:14 | combrains | but I will try deleting rb and satrting fresh |
| 21:17:18 | perl|work | yeah but you never know what still might be there |
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| 21:19:15 | perl|work | goffa are you digging the latest flicker option for side buttons? heh |
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| 21:19:52 | combrains | im loving thise led's after not having them for so long |
| 21:20:04 | tacoman359 | can i have a list of games that i can download for rockbox? |
| 21:20:07 | combrains | they are handy in the dark |
| 21:20:35 | bluebrother | tacoman359, see the PluginsIndex wiki page |
| 21:20:41 | tacoman359 | thank you |
| 21:22:00 | bluebrother | and those are already shipped with Rockbox |
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| 21:22:16 | Lars_G | meh |
| 21:22:32 | Lars_G | bluebrother: for one second I missread you, and tough a vendor was shipping devices with rockbox |
| 21:22:35 | Lars_G | my heart skipped a beat |
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| 21:23:08 | tacoman359 | ahh bluebrother, are there any other games that aren't already on rockbox when you download it? |
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| 21:25:21 | tacoman359 | is there a tutorial anywhere that will show me how to make my own rockbox games? |
| 21:25:29 | tacoman359 | is there a tutorial anywhere that will show me how to make my own rockbox games? |
| 21:25:35 | goffa | perl|work: yes i am enjoying the flicker mode |
| 21:25:47 | goffa | battery charging is nice too |
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| 21:26:30 | perl|work | oh what happened to charging? |
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| 21:26:39 | perl|work | didnt notice anything unusual about it |
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| 21:27:13 | goffa | led can light when charging |
| 21:27:24 | goffa | so you know the battery status |
| 21:27:24 | perl|work | ah |
| 21:27:35 | perl|work | thats nice |
| 21:27:47 | goffa | yeah |
| 21:28:03 | perl|work | now all we need is a save settings option for them |
| 21:28:05 | fasmaie | So, having fun heh, Goffa? |
| 21:28:15 | goffa | actually player is at home |
| 21:28:18 | goffa | but have been having fun :) |
| 21:28:42 | goffa | yeah.. i think gotthardt is just waiting to ensure its stable |
| 21:29:04 | goffa | and it does seem to be |
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| 21:29:59 | goffa | i think settings > display would be a good location |
| 21:30:06 | goffa | then have led settings under that |
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| 21:34:42 | combrains | GB still didnt save my settings |
| 21:35:02 | goffa | for anything? |
| 21:35:10 | goffa | or just led? |
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| 21:35:58 | combrains | anything |
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| 21:36:41 | combrains | after I reset my settings, I set everything up again then shut down but my UI is back to defult again |
| 21:37:46 | combrains | it didn't save dircahe or spindown settings |
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| 21:38:38 | webguest97 | 20 questions is freezing every time that i start it |
| 21:39:31 | webguest97 | can ne1 help |
| 21:40:27 | bluebrother | 20 questions? |
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| 21:40:35 | bluebrother | wow ... how impatient |
| 21:40:50 | bluebrother | or pretty much unused to irc |
| 21:41:03 | peschmae_ | or unstable |
| 21:41:22 | peschmae_ | like me ;-) |
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| 21:45:17 | fasmaie | I hate UPS!! |
| 21:45:57 | goffa | why's that fasmaie? |
| 21:46:45 | fasmaie | My wife bought me something.....won't say what it is.....but she gave me the tracking number |
| 21:47:02 | fasmaie | So I know it's on its way from CA |
| 21:47:10 | fasmaie | Left on the 4th |
| 21:47:36 | fasmaie | But I don't know what it is, and it will. not. get. here. |
| 21:47:46 | fasmaie | Its driving me mad |
| 21:47:55 | Lars_G | fasmaie: http://eternalzoo.blogspot.com/2006/01/madness-of-corporations.html |
| 21:47:56 | fasmaie | Which was her plan, I guess |
| 21:48:09 | perl|work | combrains does it save any settings at all? |
| 21:48:16 | perl|work | like theme, volume etc? |
| 21:48:21 | combrains | nope |
| 21:48:31 | perl|work | did you do a fresh install? |
| 21:48:37 | combrains | yup |
| 21:51:04 | goffa | yeah... waiting for stuff is the worst part of buying it |
| 21:52:06 | tucoz | Lars_G, hehe. that was funny |
| 21:52:52 | Lars_G | tucoz: And a tale of real life (both guys are friends) |
| 21:53:04 | tucoz | even better |
| 21:53:34 | perl|work | combrains turn it off, change some settings and theme, save a .cfg file |
| 21:53:36 | Lars_G | And it wasn't so funny for g1, :) |
| 21:53:39 | perl|work | turn it off |
| 21:53:44 | fasmaie | Thanks Lars_G |
| 21:53:56 | Lars_G | fasmaie: for giving you hope that it might get lost in the way? |
| 21:53:58 | perl|work | turn it on again and tell me what happens |
| 21:54:19 | combrains | perl|work, that's what Iv'e done |
| 21:54:26 | fasmaie | No, for a laugh |
| 21:54:33 | Lars_G | rockbox devs, is this a layered society or a horizontal one? |
| 21:54:38 | Lars_G | fasmaie: that was the idea :) |
| 21:54:38 | fasmaie | I'm hoping for better things |
| 21:54:54 | fasmaie | I think she's got me a music player |
| 21:55:03 | Lars_G | :D |
| 21:55:04 | fasmaie | Don't know what, though |
| 21:55:28 | fasmaie | Probably an iPod......then I'll shoot myself |
| 21:55:36 | goffa | ha ha ha |
| 21:55:54 | fasmaie | Thanks, goffa |
| 21:55:54 | Lars_G | Are there any active devs on the room? |
| 21:56:03 | Lars_G | I want to submit this to a poll |
| 21:56:11 | fasmaie | What? |
| 21:56:21 | perl|work | combrains no recall that .cfg |
| 21:56:25 | perl|work | turn it off |
| 21:56:26 | Lars_G | fasmaie: you don't have the cloak :P lol |
| 21:56:27 | perl|work | and turn it on again |
| 21:56:31 | perl|work | no=now |
| 21:56:45 | fasmaie | Yes, I know |
| 21:56:52 | Zagor | Lars_G: it's layered insofar that we have some people with more priviliges than others (such as commit access) |
| 21:57:02 | Lars_G | Here is the idea. I want to add code and option screen to allow you to setup the backlight to turn on/off automatically at headphone insert/remove on the ipod. what do you think, usefull or not? |
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| 21:57:45 | combrains | ok fine - now its saved them |
| 21:57:52 | combrains | seems silly to me |
| 21:58:05 | combrains | didn't have to recall my cfg |
| 21:58:22 | perl|work | sometimes it happens after the 1st shut down |
| 21:58:33 | combrains | ic |
| 21:58:35 | Lars_G | Of course I can always make it a patch and let the devs decide and if it's not included, let people who want it, use the patch |
| 21:58:38 | Lars_G | I'll do it |
| 21:58:41 | fasmaie | I'm no dev, Lars_G, but it seems like the music stopping/starting on headphone removal/insertion should be good enough |
| 21:58:47 | perl|work | but i dont remember happening that to me for awhile |
| 21:59:05 | fasmaie | Yes, submit the patch....that's the best thing |
| 21:59:21 | Lars_G | fasmaie: Might be, it's just today in the car, I unplugged the ipod and I wanted to make sure it paused AND remember what I was listening to. and the idea came to me |
| 21:59:25 | Lars_G | I'll do that |
| 21:59:26 | combrains | perl|work, have you tried the cover art patch? |
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| 22:01:07 | Zagor | Lars_G: i suggest simply modding the headphone pause function to trigger a backlight timeout. much simpler than a separate option. |
| 22:01:28 | Lars_G | Zagor: it will trigger but based on the option. I want to give people the option |
| 22:01:36 | Zagor | why? |
| 22:01:36 | perl|work | combrains i did |
| 22:01:45 | combrains | any good? |
| 22:01:48 | Zagor | option overload is a very real problem for us |
| 22:01:53 | perl|work | combrains but we have a wps bug going on at the moment |
| 22:02:02 | perl|work | that effects the progress bar on all themes |
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| 22:02:16 | perl|work | sloth was looking into it |
| 22:02:23 | Lars_G | Hmmm that can be a problem |
| 22:02:30 | combrains | oic - using the patch or just normal? |
| 22:02:38 | perl|work | just normal builds |
| 22:02:53 | perl|work | and i was working on my own WPS as well |
| 22:03:01 | perl|work | that supports album art |
| 22:03:13 | perl|work | so its kinda frustrating |
| 22:03:14 | combrains | cool |
| 22:03:25 | perl|work | 3 people already took a look and found nothing |
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| 22:04:11 | combrains | as of which version does the bug pop up? |
| 22:04:22 | combrains | coz I cant say ive witnessed it |
| 22:04:37 | perl|work | since 0103 builds |
| 22:04:46 | perl|work | get BeatMP or Pixel wps |
| 22:04:52 | perl|work | look at progress bar |
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| 22:08:15 | combrains | that will be why I don't notice it - I use ajax |
| 22:09:52 | perl|work | but anyway album art patch works like it should |
| 22:09:56 | perl|work | had no problems with it |
| 22:11:13 | Lars_G | I wonder how hard it'd be to read album artwork off ID3 |
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| 22:13:46 | linuxstb_ | You'll need to move the jpeg decoder into the core, and deal with giving it memory to use to decode and resize the image... |
| 22:14:12 | linuxstb_ | Or if not in the core, then in the codec buffer, and decode the image between decoding files. |
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| 22:14:47 | linuxstb_ | i.e. the challenge would be to do it efficiently. |
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| 22:16:24 | perl|work | i prefer the "cover.jpg/bmp" in the folder method actually |
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| 22:25:57 | tucoz | bluebrother, around? |
| 22:27:18 | tucoz | it doesn't matter that the keys are not rotated in the html, as the browser window is a bit more flexible than a piece of paper |
| 22:27:36 | bluebrother | yes. Noticed that |
| 22:28:02 | bluebrother | doesn't look that well-spaced as in the pdf version, but I don't consider this a problem in any way |
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| 22:28:18 | tucoz | no. me neither. |
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| 22:28:31 | DarkPlay | anyone here? |
| 22:28:41 | tucoz | do you understand the example config for the chip-8 viewer? |
| 22:28:57 | bluebrother | I think I do. |
| 22:29:08 | bluebrother | but I haven't paid attention to the text itself. |
| 22:29:29 | bluebrother | as far as I understand the table is the default mapping, which maps chip8 buttons to target buttons |
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| 22:29:47 | bluebrother | and with that single line you can remap them by mapping chip8 key -> another chip8 key. |
| 22:30:04 | bluebrother | but it's a bit confusing :) |
| 22:30:15 | tucoz | hmm. so 0122458... means? |
| 22:30:46 | tucoz | in the description 3->2 is mentioned. but there is no 3 in the config |
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| 22:31:01 | tucoz | maybe it is a typoi |
| 22:31:04 | tucoz | typo |
| 22:31:06 | bluebrother | hmm. I guess I'll need to re-read it again in the wiki :) |
| 22:31:08 | tucoz | ah no |
| 22:31:12 | tucoz | i think i get it |
| 22:31:16 | bluebrother | the other way round? |
| 22:31:38 | tucoz | key number 3 is mapped to 2 |
| 22:32:03 | tucoz | as 0122 <−− should be 3 there, but 2 is mapped instead |
| 22:32:19 | linuxstb_ | Looks like someone has managed to brick their ipod... |
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| 22:32:38 | * | bluebrother just found another key combo for gvim by accident |
| 22:32:45 | bluebrother | a bricked ipod? Is that possible? |
| 22:33:22 | linuxstb_ | Yes, if you MENU+SELECT during a flash update.... |
| 22:33:39 | bluebrother | menu+select reboots? |
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| 22:34:32 | linuxstb_ | It's a hardware reset. |
| 22:35:02 | bluebrother | ah. Wasn't aware of that. |
| 22:35:02 | tucoz_ | is that possible to do from within apple's firmware as well? |
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| 22:36:20 | Febs | I can't believe he chose to reset in the middle of the flash upgrade. |
| 22:36:47 | linuxstb_ | It's just very unfortunate. Hopefully it's still within warranty. |
| 22:37:02 | tucoz | it's not rockbox's fault, is it? |
| 22:37:12 | linuxstb_ | Not at all. |
| 22:37:13 | Febs | No. |
| 22:37:41 | Febs | He acknowledges in his post that he should have known not to interrupt the process. |
| 22:37:51 | tucoz | great. then we can still say that we know of no bricked ipods because of rockbox. |
| 22:38:11 | linuxstb_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8069.0 |
| 22:38:24 | linuxstb_ | (if people haven't found it) |
| 22:38:27 | tucoz | thanks |
| 22:38:43 | Febs | By the way, the Apple firmware now works perfectly with my 5G and the new bootloader. |
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| 22:39:47 | Febs | (I'm not quite as altruistic as ryran thinks. I had the same issue as he did which is why I went through the flash process.) |
| 22:40:10 | dan_a | Febs: Don't tell anyone! |
| 22:40:29 | Febs | Tell anyone what? ;) |
| 22:40:54 | * | dan_a had started writing a reply, then noticed the smiley |
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| 22:44:54 | notCHOcheese | Hello all. |
| 22:45:24 | notCHOcheese | I have a video Ipod, and I have already gotten rockbox on it. |
| 22:45:35 | notCHOcheese | But now I am attempting to dual boot. |
| 22:45:53 | Zagor | lostlogic: here? |
| 22:46:06 | notCHOcheese | I read that it was possible in the manual, somewhere, but I can find nowhere else where it speaks about how to do so. |
| 22:46:27 | notCHOcheese | Anyone got a link or help for me? |
| 22:46:28 | linuxstb_ | notCHOcheese: Read the IpodFAQ wiki page. |
| 22:46:34 | notCHOcheese | ok |
| 22:46:35 | notCHOcheese | thanks |
| 22:46:38 | DogBoy | I'm dual booting with mine |
| 22:47:50 | Lars_G | notCHOcheese: Yes it's possible to dualboot. in fact if you used ipodpatcher to install rockbox as in the guide you can already dual boot |
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| 22:48:23 | Lars_G | for the OF just shut the ipod down leaving play pressed, and then turn it on by leaving menu pressed until the boot screen says "booting original firmware" |
| 22:48:34 | Lars_G | that, or connect the ipod to usb, switch "hold" on, and disconnect it |
| 22:48:40 | DogBoy | notCHOcheese: there is a decent article about it here: http://www.alwaysbeta.com/2006/08/24/how-to-dual-boot-your-ipod-with-rockbox/ |
| 22:49:01 | notCHOcheese | ok, thats obviously how i installed rockbox, with the ipodpathcer.exe |
| 22:49:38 | linuxstb_ | DogBoy: That's 4 months out of date - the method has changed. |
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| 22:50:11 | DogBoy | has it, it worked for me last night |
| 22:51:07 | notCHOcheese | thanks yall |
| 22:52:13 | bluebrother | that instructions are outdated |
| 22:52:24 | bluebrother | oh, I was too slow |
| 22:53:02 | linuxstb_ | And v2.4 of loader2 won't work with COP-enabled Rockbox builds. You need a version of loader2 built from the ipodlinux SVN within the last couple of days. |
| 22:53:21 | DogBoy | I was just going to ask you to be more specific |
| 22:53:30 | pixelma | DogBoy: depends on which bootloader you use - so if your install was before the latest changes, the old method still works for you |
| 22:53:33 | DogBoy | that explains why I couldn't get cop to work |
| 22:54:39 | linuxstb_ | Plus those links to ipodpatcher.exe and ipod_fw.exe are dead. |
| 22:54:58 | linuxstb_ | And ipod_fw.exe shouldn't be used on the 5.5g... |
| 22:56:16 | DogBoy | yea, I had to stretch the article a bit since I don't use windows |
| 22:56:45 | notCHOcheese | you wrote that article? |
| 22:57:03 | DogBoy | no, I use linux and it was written for windows |
| 22:57:05 | notCHOcheese | anyways |
| 22:57:12 | notCHOcheese | i would juwt use the lastest daily builds |
| 22:57:25 | notCHOcheese | not some article's method hosted off of rockbox.org |
| 22:58:25 | DogBoy | yea, well, I'm reading thru the ipodfaq right now myself |
| 22:58:31 | DogBoy | :-) |
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| 23:01:42 | * | petur wonders if Bagder will ask his SanDisk contact about http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/08/sandisk_updates_mp3_line-up/ :) |
| 23:02:19 | tucoz | for hw or for specs? ;) |
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| 23:02:31 | tucoz | s/specs/datasheets |
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| 23:07:33 | DogBoy | linuxstb: so if I build loader2 from svn maybe I can get it working with cop |
| 23:08:14 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 23:08:27 | DogBoy | thanks |
| 23:08:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:09:11 | DogBoy | lol |
| 23:09:17 | DogBoy | ipodlinux site down again |
| 23:09:43 | DogBoy | well... google cache maybe |
| 23:09:49 | linuxstb_ | Here's a binary - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/loader.bin |
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| 23:10:44 | linuxstb_ | svn co http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/ipodloader2 should get the source. |
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| 23:15:31 | DogBoy | thanks linuxstb |
| 23:16:32 | linuxstb_ | You can install that on your ipod using the "-ab" option with the CVS version of ipodpatcher. |
| 23:18:39 | DogBoy | what is the best sounding device that rockbox runs on |
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| 23:19:32 | * | jba discovers cgi:irc on rockbox web site, yay |
| 23:19:43 | Lars_G | I miss my iPaq's sound :'( the phillips DAC it used ruled |
| 23:20:22 | DogBoy | I think the sound on my palm pilot is better than this ipod video I just got |
| 23:20:25 | jba | linuxstb: so it's basically some def's in the settings code that tells it whether those sound capabilities are there in the firstplace to be able to save them |
| 23:20:29 | jba | i think i get it] |
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| 23:21:36 | jba | linuxstb: I don't actually have commit access to this cvs tree (i did to wibbix's cvs tree a while back) if I fix it in a patch I still need to file a task with the patch? |
| 23:21:48 | Topic | "CVS commiting is now disabled" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:22:01 | linuxstb_ | \o/ |
| 23:22:16 | * | dan_a applauds Bagder |
| 23:22:22 | Zagor | The rockbox is now aborted ;-p |
| 23:22:28 | Zagor | project, even |
| 23:22:32 | linuxstb_ | Let's all go home then. |
| 23:22:32 | * | Zagor can't make jokes |
| 23:22:40 | Lars_G | Is the migration comming along then? |
| 23:22:51 | linuxstb_ | rm -fr ~/rockbox-devel ; logout |
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| 23:23:32 | linuxstb_ | jba: Either post a patch, or grab the attention of a developer. |
| 23:23:38 | jba | i think you guys mis-understood, i never actually got commit access to rockbox proper in the firstplace |
| 23:23:44 | jba | as i started life as a gigabeat dev |
| 23:24:08 | jba | but yeah, thanks linuxstb_ will do |
| 23:24:27 | jba | maybe later i'll go through the hoops of getting commit access |
| 23:24:27 | linuxstb_ | jba: Maybe you're confusing the current comments - rockbox is moving from CVS to SVN. |
| 23:24:42 | linuxstb_ | So CVS has just been closed. |
| 23:25:31 | jba | yeah i know i heard last week |
| 23:25:34 | Lars_G | sigh now I need to recheckout |
| 23:25:45 | jba | never mind |
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| 23:25:53 | jba | I'll just make a patch tonight |
| 23:26:18 | jba | maybe news on the front page should indicate that the repo is being migrated to svn |
| 23:26:19 | Lars_G | jba: going thorough the hoops is more efficient than insinuating your desire to linuxstb to see if he adds you |
| 23:26:34 | * | linuxstb_ has no power to add people |
| 23:26:53 | Lars_G | :'( |
| 23:26:58 | jba | I wasn't trying to get him to add me, was just following up to his message to me in the logs |
| 23:27:05 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Sorry i didn't know you're sterile |
| 23:27:48 | softi_42 | is there a possibilty to have "shuffle" be playlist dependant? |
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| 23:28:13 | softi_42 | i have audio books - where the sequence is relevant |
| 23:28:31 | Lars_G | you can deactivate it quickly before going into audiobook |
| 23:28:34 | softi_42 | and songs - which i want to hear in random order |
| 23:28:47 | bluebrother | don't enable shuffle and just do a "reshuffle playlist" when playing songs |
| 23:28:49 | Lars_G | hold the menu key and it brings a menu to quickly activate and deactivate it |
| 23:29:15 | bluebrother | Mode on iriver h100 and h300 series ;-) |
| 23:29:31 | Lars_G | or when you will listen to music, instead of clicking selet, left select held on the music folder, and select playlist and then "insert shuffled" |
| 23:30:43 | softi_42 | do you think it would be hard to ass such a feature - save shuffe per playlist? |
| 23:31:09 | softi_42 | but i'll try your suggestions |
| 23:31:24 | Zagor | softi_42: playlists are only lists of files, they do not contain settings |
| 23:31:48 | bluebrother | but you can simply save configuration files alongside with your playlists |
| 23:32:03 | bluebrother | and simply load that configurations. Only 1 click ;-) |
| 23:32:26 | softi_42 | Zagor, i know that - but why not change this? |
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| 23:33:02 | Zagor | softi_42: because the playlist format is fixed. there is no room for settings without resorting to very ugly kludges. |
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| 23:33:27 | linuxstb_ | And it's not our format, playlists are standard .m3u files. |
| 23:33:56 | * | linuxstb_ notices Zagor made the last ever cvs commit... |
| 23:33:57 | softi_42 | do playlists allow comments? |
| 23:34:04 | jba | gotthardt: FYI, I enabled LCD Power OFF in the debug menu and I still don't get my lcd going off when the backlight fades out. Remember I'm using an X, so this might be a difference between X and F ? |
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| 23:34:18 | Zagor | linuxstb: yeah, powerful stuff too :-) |
| 23:34:28 | linuxstb_ | Who made the first? |
| 23:34:33 | markun | jba: how can you check that it doesn't turn off? |
| 23:34:46 | Zagor | linuxstb: I or bagder. I don't remember. |
| 23:34:48 | markun | Is your screen visible with the backlight off? |
| 23:35:06 | jba | if you tilt the screen to an almost orthogonal angle you can still see the song title and status bar of the wps |
| 23:35:19 | jba | i.e.screen parallel to floor facing up |
| 23:35:32 | jba | it was hard, but i could still see it |
| 23:36:01 | jba | one sec |
| 23:36:02 | markun | jba: and was it moving? |
| 23:36:14 | markun | I will also try.. |
| 23:36:24 | jba | i'm trying to figure that part out |
| 23:36:30 | jba | hey markun by the way, how goes? |
| 23:36:35 | jba | enjoying paris |
| 23:36:40 | markun | yes, very much |
| 23:36:48 | jba | hey it seems to ahve powered off now |
| 23:37:00 | jba | so it seems the power off comes a few seconds after the fade out, and I spoke to soon |
| 23:37:14 | jba | awesome |
| 23:37:17 | * | preglow does the imminent svn dance |
| 23:37:40 | jba | and markun you're right when it fades out and the text is moving it freezes when the backlight goes off |
| 23:37:45 | jba | it must be residual image? |
| 23:38:00 | Nico_P | how is svn better thzn cvs ? |
| 23:38:08 | linuxstb_ | svn mv |
| 23:38:14 | jba | gotthardt: it seems I spoke too soon, the screen turns off after a while |
| 23:38:21 | jba | Nico_P: repo wide revision numbers |
| 23:38:41 | Bagder | renames, atomic commits, diffs both ways, ... |
| 23:38:44 | jba | server side folder operations |
| 23:38:48 | markun | jba: I have to go offline.. |
| 23:38:53 | Nico_P | :) |
| 23:38:57 | jba | markun: did you see my point last night about the bass/trebble settings not being saved? |
| 23:39:06 | jba | ok cool catch ya later |
| 23:39:37 | jba | svn mv svn://repo/somefolder svn://repo/someotherfolder |
| 23:39:48 | jba | no working copy needed |
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| 23:48:45 | Nico_P | guys, i was thinking about something recently and i wanted to ask you if it sounds possible... |
| 23:48:45 | Nico_P | the idea was to free some space in the audio buffer to store a bitmap (i was thinking about my album art patch) |
| 23:48:45 | Nico_P | would it be possible to move the pointer to the end of the audio buffer dynamically to create a kind of buffer ? |
| 23:49:23 | Nico_P | taking advantage of the fact that the audio buffer is a ring buffer |
| 23:49:49 | Bagder | move what pointer? |
| 23:52:32 | Lars_G | I think he wants to shring the ring buffer a little |
| 23:52:36 | Lars_G | to use the rest for the cover |
| 23:54:00 | Zagor | you can allocate space in the audio buffer permanently at boot |
| 23:54:11 | Zagor | you can not do it dynamically |
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| 23:55:13 | Bagder | why not have the art in the ring buffer as we've discussed for ages? |
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