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#rockbox log for 2007-01-08

00:00:12hen3rzmouser hows ur winamp skin going
00:00:29Mouser_XThe "main" window looks pretty good.
00:00:43Mouser_XI'll probably doing some shifting, possibly, to make room for additional data fields.
00:00:43xorAxAxcan rockbox play flac files?
00:00:56*xorAxAx fixed his problem by reflashing the apple firmware
00:01:00xorAxAxMouser_X: out of the box?
00:01:13xorAxAxhow about .cue files? :)
00:01:18xorAxAxa pity
00:01:31LloreanYou can play back gaplessly just fine without them. :-P
00:01:39xorAxAxLlorean: but not mp3 files :)
00:01:44LloreanYes, you can.
00:01:51LloreanAs long as they're encoded in LAME>
00:01:52FebsLAME encoded MP3 files play gaplessly in Rockbox.
00:01:56xorAxAxyes, thats incompatible :)
00:02:01xorAxAxi mean, its a lame extension
00:02:03Bagderincompatible with what?
00:02:18 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving")
00:02:18LloreanxorAxAx: Yes, but that doesn't mean that it's not able to be done.
00:02:20xorAxAxthe old german standard that they registered with iso ... ;-)
00:02:24xorAxAxyes, ok
00:02:24Bagderyes, but a very good and sane one
00:02:28xorAxAxof course
00:02:34LloreanBesides, if you want lossy gapless, MP3 is a silly format anyway
00:02:35xorAxAxhmm, how can i cut my flac/cue?
00:02:55LloreanBecause actual lossy formats that properly support gapless exist?
00:03:38LloreanHow many players support MP3+CUE but not Ogg/Vorbis? I'm sure there are a few, but I can't imagine it's many.
00:04:03FebsHow many players support MP3+Cue, period?
00:04:04 Quit trypt0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:04:14*xorAxAx does apt-get install cuetools
00:04:33 Part Deft
00:04:41xorAxAxFebs: hmm, foobar2K does :)
00:04:53FebsI meant portable players.
00:06:02xorAxAxnobody wants to cut my flac files ...
00:06:31xorAxAxhydrogenaudio rocks wrt such questions ...
00:07:25LloreanI'm betting less support CUE+MP3 than gapless vorbis play right now. :-P
00:07:48LloreanBut only because Rockbox probably supports more players than the former case. :)
00:08:28xorAxAxhmm, shntool rocks
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00:09:55tamacrackerthis may sound like a really really stupid question.. but i can't find the theme page on <,<
00:10:00tamacrackerwhere is it?
00:10:32LloreanIt the WpsGallery on the wiki
00:10:57tamacrackeroh lol wiki
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00:12:52tamacrackerJsunu is nice.
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00:13:29Nico_PxorAxAx: cuesheet support is in the works
00:13:44Nico_Pthere is already a quite useable patch
00:14:00Nico_Pand i'd be glad if you could test it with flac files too
00:15:40Mouser_XTalking about cue support, processor speeds aside, what's the feasibility of archive support? Like, if I had song stored in a ZIP or RAR, could Rockbox load the ZIP or RAR (or 7z, for that matter) as a directory (or something) and play the files in it?
00:15:55Mouser_XObviously, this would take a lot of CPU power, to extract the contents.
00:16:38LloreanMouser_X: That seems a bit excessive.
00:16:43BagderI'd say it would be a pointless feature and would much rather see zip or 7z extraction plugins
00:17:07xorAxAxMouser_X: hmm, where is the point? :)
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00:17:28Mouser_XWell, the biggest reason I'm wondering, is because many files (SPCs, and PSFs, mainly) save a ton of space, when in an acrhive.
00:17:28xorAxAxMouser_X: at least zip files will just have the files stored (not deflated)
00:17:41xorAxAxah, SPCs, heh
00:18:01Mouser_XLess than 100 MB of RARs, and I have over 20,000 songs.
00:18:11Mouser_XExtract all that, and it's a TON bigger.
00:18:34amiconnEven 7z doesn't come near the compression ratio of a dedicated lossless audio compressor like flac or wavpack
00:19:08xorAxAxamiconn: yeah, but flac cant pack spcs
00:19:22Mouser_XI wouldn't expect to ever have MP3s, or any streaming form of media/music in an archive.
00:19:23*amiconn wonders what spc
00:19:31xorAxAxgameboy music
00:19:32Mouser_XI agree, that would be fairly stupid.
00:19:33xorAxAxi guess
00:19:35tamacrackerhey guys
00:19:42Mouser_XSNES music, not Gameboy.
00:19:46tamacrackerthe Jsunu
00:20:01Mouser_XSPC700 is the audio processing unit of the SNES.
00:20:08tamacrackershouldn't that go into the .rockbox?
00:20:21tamacrackeror should it be outside of the .rockbox?
00:20:32tamacrackerit has it's own template folder as well.
00:20:51ruisuhi, i cant seem to understand very ell the instructions on translating the lang files..., i copied the perl genlang, and use $ perl genlang -u espanol.lng, but as I can see, they are not between tags :(
00:20:51hen3rzcopy the .rocbox folder over the .rockbox folder
00:21:02hen3rzthe tempalte folder is just screen shots
00:21:06tamacrackeroh ok
00:21:07hen3rzits otherwise useless
00:21:24 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:21:36tamacrackerso take the .rockbox folder's files and cut them and paste them into the .rockbox from the mp3 player?
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00:21:45Mouser_XHowdy HCS.
00:22:44hen3rztamacracker: once u get that theme running, can u tell me if the seeker bar is out of alignment?
00:22:58tamacrackerthe way it's setup
00:23:03Nico_PxorAxAx: would you agree to test the cuesheet patch with your flac files ?
00:23:04tamacrackerit's gonna over right my other themes.
00:23:25tamacrackerthe way it's zipped.
00:23:46hen3rznah it wont
00:23:54tamacrackerit needs to go into my wps folder yes?
00:24:00xorAxAxNico_P: no, too busy :)
00:24:23hen3rztamacracker: unless you have files in those directories with the exact same file name it wont. it will just place its files inside the directory.
00:24:35ruisu>< i want to help finishing the espanol.lng :) but i cant understand how to :P
00:24:39tamacrackerthat's true.
00:24:46Jsunuthe Jsunu template files are just images that can change your background
00:24:56tamacrackerdon't mind me man... im just being too careful with my mp3 player.
00:25:26tamacrackertoo careful = pussified in messin with specific files
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00:26:15hen3rzjsunu: i dunno if its just my player but the seeker bar is out of alignment ever so slightley. i like ur design alot though. very clean and tidy
00:26:25tamacrackeryeah it is.
00:26:39tamacracker /media/GIGABEAT/.rockbox/.rockbox <- incorrect yes?
00:26:56Jsunuits a problem with the cvs builds, all the seeker bars with bmp images are misaligned :(
00:27:16hen3rzjsunu: bah what a pain
00:27:22tamacrackerit's tryin to overwrite.
00:27:26tamacrackermy folders.
00:27:42tamacrackerthe way the files were zipped would overwrite.
00:27:54tamacrackeror just "add" onto the root folder.
00:28:42tamacracker /media/GIGABEAT/Jsunu beta .1 <- incorrect, yes?
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00:29:11Jsunuyou overwrite the .rockbox folder
00:29:31tamacrackerwon't i lose my other .rockbox files?
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00:29:55Jsunuit just copies the specific wps files
00:30:11tamacrackerso basically take the .rockbox folder out from the Jsunu beta .1 folder and paste it into my root.. it'll ask me to overwrite .rockbox and click yes to all?
00:30:21hen3rztamacracker: yes to all
00:31:18tamacrackerthanks :D
00:31:29tamacrackernow gonna test out your theme :P
00:31:36tamacrackeri like how it's simple.
00:31:51tamacrackerplus that's the default ubuntu background image :D
00:32:11Jsunuoh thanks, i only worked with it for a limited time and stop development to fix pixel
00:32:11*Mouser_X is using Pixel on the simulator build that he has...
00:32:20hen3rztamacracker: you running ubuntu? ubuntu awesome eh!
00:32:27tamacrackeri love ubuntu
00:32:31tamacrackeryour theme
00:32:35Mouser_XJsunu: I like Pixel.
00:32:38tamacrackeractually works without a problem what so ever.
00:32:46Mouser_XI'll probably use it on my Gigabeat, when it comes.
00:33:05perldiverwe need to wait for debauched_sloth to fix that wps issue i think
00:33:13perldiverhe's gonna be back sometimes next week
00:33:15Mouser_XThat is, until/if I finish my Winamp styled WPS.
00:33:18tamacrackeroh damn, you're right Jsunu
00:33:24tamacrackerthe progress bar
00:33:50tamacrackerMouser_X that would f'n rock.. Winamp looking theme for gigabeat
00:33:58tamacrackerlol that's really unique :D
00:34:30Jsunuperldiver, thats great, i stop working on anything until its fixed
00:34:32Mouser_XIt looks good so far, but I don't know how functional it is. I'm no where near the coding of the WPS stuff yet.
00:34:36Nimdae"Trash Metal" should be "Thrash Metal". Reported as FS #6503, checked against Winamp.
00:34:40Nimdaethat is amusing
00:35:02perldiverJsunu yeah everybody did
00:35:37tamacrackeryou know how the background is blue?
00:35:56tamacrackerwhich file is that? so if I wanted to change it to an actual picture
00:36:13Mouser_XIt's usually in the "backdrops" folder.
00:36:36Nimdaei've been considering reworking the wps i made for my ipod for distribution
00:36:48 Quit My_Sic ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.")
00:37:15Nimdaevery simple, easy on resources, and functional
00:37:22hen3rzmmm i put mine up yesterday, i figured there would have to be at elast 1 person looking for the same thing i had
00:37:28tamacrackerhm... it' blank
00:37:31tamacracker0x0 lol
00:38:18Jsunuit should be Jsunu.bmp in the backdrop folder
00:38:27tamacrackeroh it is.
00:38:33tamacrackerbut when i open it
00:38:37tamacrackerits just a blank page.
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00:38:44LloreanFor solid color backdrops, you don't need a backdrop image...
00:39:05Jsunuis this for the menu or wps?
00:39:20tamacrackerfor both?
00:39:20tamacrackerfor example
00:39:25tamacrackersee the mp_girl
00:39:43tamacrackerhow it's an image of... booty.
00:40:08tamacrackeri was wondering if i can do the same but not lose that "opacity" that it has over the image.
00:40:10hen3rzto change the wps background
00:40:21Jsunuyou have to open it in photoshop
00:40:29 Part Llorean
00:40:30Jsunuthen delete the first layer and input girls etc.
00:40:53Jsunuthen save over the defult bmps
00:41:11tamacrackerand it'll still have that low opacity overlay on top of the image?
00:41:16Jsunushould have
00:41:54*Genre9mp3 points to amiconn this: and also wonders why it hasn't been updated yet
00:42:34Genre9mp3^after my change to PluginDatabox and PluginBatteryTest I mean
00:43:32tamacrackerPixel reminds me of Unix
00:43:42tamacrackerjust plain and simple... too plain and simple :P
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00:45:45Jsunuif you have problems just dublicated the layer and add a backdrop
00:47:05Jsunuanyway g2g, ask people around if you have problems
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00:56:25xorAxAxhmm, my rockbox stalled while writing the config
00:56:33xorAxAxor how long should it take?
00:56:39xorAxAxit is still playing music, though
00:56:50xorAxAxand backlight is responding :)
00:56:57hen3rzit shouldnt take too long
00:57:24xorAxAxall settings gone :-(
00:57:36xorAxAxrelated to background db update?
00:57:50xorAxAxno, settings still there :)
00:58:23xorAxAxhmm, now i am trying it again, it still doesnt work
00:58:39xorAxAxdaily build ...
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01:11:52scorcheenglish please, and less spamming
01:12:01scorcheor just be a spammer...
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01:29:19[g2]any Sansa update ?
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01:38:12ruisulol damn spammer :P
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01:42:08 Nick i is now known as hollerDUB (i=187c57a7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
01:42:33hollerDUB i know i already changed my nick
01:43:01hollerDUBthe little advanced settings deal on your irc java app might not save changes or somethign
01:43:57hollerDUBso my friend tells me that your rockbox deal is pretty sweet
01:44:17hollerDUBanyone wanna give me some quick yes/no/elaborate if ya want type of questions?
01:44:35hollerDUBi mean answers
01:44:39hollerDUBto my questions?
01:44:46hen3rzwhat questions?
01:45:13hollerDUBok, im speaking about a ipod video
01:45:28hollerDUBbut is there still the hdd support
01:45:30hen3rzi only have experience with a gigabeat
01:45:31hollerDUBin windows
01:45:47tamacrackeripod sucks
01:45:51tamacrackerlol jk
01:45:58Mikachuhaha that was funny do another one
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01:46:30tamacrackerbut seriously.. they're overrated.
01:46:42hollerDUBanyways, i want to know if you can still use it as a removable mass storage device
01:46:52hollerDUBand still do all the rockbox music crap
01:46:53Mikachumoreso than with the apple firmware
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01:47:09Mikachuyou just copy files over, and then you can play them in rockbox
01:47:10hollerDUByeah, they are overrated'
01:47:31hollerDUBim saying, i use my 60 gig for only about 30 gigs of music right now
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01:47:41hollerDUBi use it to rape work bandwidth
01:47:45hollerDUBand move data back home
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01:47:48hollerDUBlike 5 gigs a aday
01:48:08hollerDUBso i really need the removable mass storage device deal
01:48:39hollerDUBerr, compatibility
01:49:00Mikachuyou can dualboot
01:49:07hollerDUBhh yeah
01:49:14hollerDUBi just did a light skim of the site
01:49:18hollerDUBi rememeber reading that
01:49:26Mikachuskim harder, saves us some typing
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01:49:35hollerDUBbut once i get my other hd, imma take all the data and backup any music on my ipod
01:49:50hollerDUBand definitely go box
01:49:57hollerDUBonce you go box, you never go back
01:49:57fasmaiehollerDUB: you can use your iPOd as a mass storage device with RB on it
01:50:07fasmaieThe only issue really is the battery time
01:50:07hollerDUBmy friend told me that
01:50:12hollerDUBand i was all like, WTF?
01:50:19hollerDUBand so he told me about rockbox
01:50:29CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:50:29*Mikachu goes to talk to a wall
01:50:39fasmaiehollerDUB: I started using RB on my old iPOd and I cannot stand the old (apple) interface anymore
01:50:59hollerDUBlater mika foo
01:51:12fasmaieExcept for the fact that I get about half the playing time in RB than I did with the original firmware
01:51:18hollerDUBi thought that they only had support for 4th gen and up
01:51:41hollerDUBthat sucks
01:51:43Mouser_XRockbox doesn't work on the 80 GB iPods yet.
01:51:45fasmaieYeah...I was talking about my old 4th gen
01:51:50hollerDUBthey dont have as good of power managemtn as ol apple, huh?
01:51:58Mouser_XNot yet.
01:52:07fasmaieWell, not yet
01:52:15fasmaieas Mouser_X says
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01:52:21Mouser_XEverything they've done, has been done using speculation, and experimentation.
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01:52:24hollerDUBhey Mouser_X , are those 80 gigs considered ipod video, or like 6th gen?
01:52:44Mouser_XAs far as I know, they're an iPod video.
01:52:48fasmaiehollerDUB: the 80 GB is the 5.5 th (6th) gen
01:53:02fasmaieOld 5th gen iPods will all work
01:53:07Mouser_XI don't have an iPod. I'm getting a Gigabeat.
01:53:12fasmaieMe too
01:53:17fasmaieWaiting for it in the mail
01:53:23Mouser_XAlso, the 30 GB iPod (5.5) work with Rockbox.
01:53:28fasmaieThen I can get rid of the iPod
01:53:42Mouser_XWow... Lots of people seem to be waiting for their Gigabeats in the mail...
01:53:47hollerDUBwhy these gigabeat deals all the rage?
01:53:51*Mouser_X is waiting on mail as well.
01:53:55hollerDUBha ha
01:53:59hollerDUBi must need to order one
01:54:01fasmaieI got a 40GB one for $145
01:54:10fasmaieBetter sound...battery life
01:54:10Mouser_XThey've got *far* more processing power than the iPod.
01:54:30Mouser_XFrom what I've seen, the Gigabeat is a touchscreen short of a PDA (at least, in potential).
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01:55:09hen3rzwifi, memory cards..
01:55:29fasmaieOnly problem with the gigabeat is the lack of the iPod's accessories
01:55:37fasmaieBut there are enough
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01:56:36whootieand who really gives a fuck about not having apple accessoriees if you aing making an apple product
01:56:42whootiei dot
01:56:42perldiverseriously, ipods have one of the worst sound on the market
01:56:43Mouser_X<hen3rz> wifi, memory cards..
01:56:45Mouser_Xhen3rz: Sorry, I was excluding expansion slots.
01:56:49Mouser_XYou do have a good point, of course.
01:57:00whootiei never knew that ipods have bad sound
01:57:05whootiei never really looked into it
01:57:07perldiverwell know you do
01:57:10fasmaieNot bad per se, just not good
01:57:20fasmaieSort of tinny
01:57:23perldiverid call it "bad"
01:57:44Mikachuyou're not just talking about the apple mp3 decoder then?
01:57:48perldiverits very clear if you have something to compare it to
01:58:01perldiverno need even to go into hardware details
01:58:03whootie<perldiver> seriously, ipods have one of the worst sound on the market
01:58:03whootie<whootie> .
01:58:03DBUGEnqueued KICK whootie
01:58:03whootie<perldiver> period
01:58:21fasmaieEven my old sony MD player has better sound
01:58:57perldivercheap amp + horrid eq presets + bad phones
01:59:02perldiverits a disaster
01:59:10Mikachumy ipod phones broke last week
01:59:13Mouser_XI've heard that Rockbox gets better sound on the iPod than the original firmware does. However, it's a hardware limitation more than software. As such, the improvement isn't a whole lot.
01:59:13Mikachuat least the left one
01:59:16perldiverok , you can buy some decent headphones of course
01:59:17fasmaieEspecially the newer ones
01:59:21whootieso, which is it that your all saying? bad mp3 decoder as mikafoo said, or bad sound hardware all around?
01:59:24perldiverbut they will hardly save you
01:59:37fasmaieYah, I have a nice pair of Philips phones
01:59:43perldiverMouser_X very true
01:59:46fasmaieBad sound hardware
01:59:57fasmaieI think
02:00:17perldiverwhootie im referring to an mp3 player encoded with lame with -apx or -v0 presets
02:00:19perldiverlets say
02:00:27whootieoh yeah
02:00:31whootietrying ot big league me?
02:00:43whootieive encoded my own mp3s from wav
02:00:45perldiveruh? you juts asked
02:00:51whootieand sent to my phone via bluetooth
02:00:53perldiverwhat are we referring to
02:00:57Mikachuif you're comparing sound hardware, use flac...
02:01:01whootieim talking about the ipod
02:01:01perldiverencoder or hardware
02:01:09whootienot bitrate settings for lame
02:01:25whootielame isnt proprietery
02:01:39perldiveri just gave you an example
02:01:57whootieonly thing related to mp3 that is like that is fraunhofer mp3
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02:02:40whootiebut yeah, im sure those apple headphone suck
02:02:48whootiebut its amp and eq and shit like that
02:02:49whootiehardware side
02:02:52whootiethat are shitty about ipods
02:03:27whootie<Mikachu> if you're comparing sound hardware, use flac...
02:03:36whootiethats the first smart thing youve typed
02:04:04Mikachuyou haven't typed any smart things yet, so i guess i win
02:04:20FebsHaha. Mikachu 1, whootie 0.
02:04:42whootieim new to this shit
02:04:47whootieim trying to learn me on some rockbox
02:04:59Nimdaedan_a: if you're around, i just experienced the no reboot to disk mode with the cop patch
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02:05:48Febswhootie: here's the first thing you can learn. Ipod's "eq and shit like that" is irrelevant to Rockbox.
02:05:53whootieits wierd there only 1 op in here
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02:06:15Mikachuthey hide in the shadows
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02:06:50Mikachutoo much beer again?
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02:06:55*Nimdae hides in the shadows with the ops
02:06:55linuxstbHello Mr Preglow, sir.
02:07:04preglowi haven't had any beer for a week :/
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02:07:07preglowlinuxstb: good evening
02:07:13preglowmorning, rather
02:07:14Nimdaei'm about to play my first video in rockbox :)
02:07:17Mikachui'm sorry to hear that, maybe
02:07:29preglowMikachu: i certainly am
02:07:32linuxstbNo beer all year?
02:07:46preglowi had some the first
02:07:49preglownothing since that
02:07:54preglowan abomination
02:08:23Nimdaeare there further patches needed to make the mpegplayer use the cop?
02:08:29Nimdaeother than the obvious cop patch
02:08:56whootieno beer for a week?
02:09:05whootiethats hard
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02:09:22*Mouser_X has had no beer for more than 22 years.
02:09:30whootiejesus man
02:09:33whootieimon college
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02:09:42whootiei barely been around 24
02:09:44Nimdaewow, playback is a bit grainy, sound is good though
02:09:44Mouser_XOr anything alcoholic whatsoever.
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02:09:53whootieand been drinking the last 8
02:09:57LloreanNimdae: Even with the priority scheduling disabled, scrolling and other things seems to be able to affect playback, so there's something else outside of just the scheduler.
02:09:59rkostynuhey all
02:10:00Nimdaealso, video is lagging a lot
02:10:01whootieyou been done more than i been goin
02:10:06*Mouser_X has been around years longer than 22...
02:10:31LloreanNimdae: Lagging with the COP patch? What resolution/bitrate video?
02:10:43Mikachuand what target framerate? :)
02:10:46DogBoyafter I'm playing an audio track how do I get back to the file browser?
02:10:58Nimdaesec, lemme get the exact specs
02:11:31DogBoyif I hit menu all I get is settings screen
02:11:38LloreanDogBoy: Either stop the audio, or press the "select" button (or equivalent) to go back to the filetree.
02:11:51LloreanDogBoy: This, and other fine features are covered in the handy, all purpose Manual.
02:11:56Nimdaesound just cut off
02:12:03Nimdaebut video is still playing
02:12:04DogBoywhich is a pdf
02:12:05MikachuNimdae: it does toward the end of the file
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02:12:09LloreanNimdae: You probably reached the end of the buffer.
02:12:16linuxstbNimdae: Don't laugh at the poor mpegplayer...
02:12:16LloreanDogBoy: It is available in PDF, HTML, and Online.
02:12:29DogBoywhere as html
02:12:31perldiveri love mpegplayer
02:12:39LloreanDogBoy: Click the link "Manual" on the left bar of the main website.
02:13:23Nimdae230x240 780kbps, audio 112 kbps, fps 29.97 fps 44.1khz stereo
02:13:25Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm curious: What is the reason behind not having rebuffering. Does it need to be reworked so that both streams rebuffer, or is it more just something that needs to be gotten around to?
02:13:37MikachuNimdae: that is a rather high bitrate
02:13:56LloreanAnd I'm guessing that was 320x240, so a large size too.
02:14:03DogBoythanks Llorean
02:14:14Nimdaeit seems like the playback framerate is about half or less what it should be
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02:14:22MikachuNimdae: is it mpeg 1 or 2? (not that i know how that affects speed)
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02:14:57linuxstbLlorean: It just needs implementing.... The old rebuffering only worked with a single stream, and it also didn't rebuffer in the background (the video would pause whilst rebuffering). Rebuffering should happen in the background, the same as audio playback.
02:14:58Nimdaeand yeah, 320, not 230, heh
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02:15:42linuxstbNimdae: Yes, mpegplayer will always struggle on the 5g - 320x240 is a lot of data to decode and display.
02:15:43Nimdaeso what's the recommended settings?
02:15:58linuxstbThe gigabeat can only just manage it (I think it gets less than 30fps).
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02:16:23Nimdaeok, how do i exit the video?
02:16:29linuxstbNimdae: I would recommend the Apple firmware...
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02:16:43DogBoyholy toledo this manual is big
02:16:45Nimdaeactually, i kinda broke the apple firmware :(
02:17:08linuxstbIf holding PLAY/PAUSE doesn't work, you'll need to reset (MENU+SELECT for a few seconds).
02:17:09Nimdaereally, i don't need the video, i just wanted to see it in action on rockbox :)
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02:17:43perldiverlinuxstb i hope you wont give up on it
02:17:46linuxstbNimdae: You could try downloading some of the smaller resolution videos, and see if they play.
02:17:48|-raz0r-|can some1 msg me i need some help installing rockbox on my ipod.. thank you
02:17:54Nimdaei actually had to go out of my way to get the video i have, it's just not something i need
02:17:59perldivervideo on gigabeat is one of the most amazing things i saw last year
02:18:24Llorean|-raz0r-|: Where in the instructions do you encounter trouble?
02:18:24linuxstbperldiver: No, I'm not giving up, I just don't want ipod video owners expecting something that can compete with the Apple firmware.
02:18:42|-raz0r-|i just have a few questions not really a problem
02:18:45|-raz0r-|can i msg u pls
02:18:56linuxstbOn all other targets, I would hope that mpegplayer should out-perform any video playback provided by the original firmware.
02:19:35Llorean|-raz0r-|: If you ask them in the open, there's a better chance someone who knows the answer will see the question.
02:20:16|-raz0r-|ok .. well i just installed ipodlinux on my ipod.. i was wondering whats rockbox.. and is it better than podzilla?
02:20:26|-raz0r-|i have an ipod photo
02:20:38|-raz0r-|i downloaded the installer for my ipod on the rockbox ipod
02:20:42linuxstbWhy do you want to install an alternative operating system?
02:21:07|-raz0r-|i got no idea.. i was just playing around and installed that linux thing
02:21:15|-raz0r-|rockbox is what? an OS?
02:21:33Nimdaea firmware
02:21:43linuxstbIt's a "firmware" - basically an OS and application combined together.
02:22:23|-raz0r-|and is rockbox running on linux?
02:22:29Febs|-raz0r-|: Take a look at the manual. It will give you a pretty idea of what Rockbox is and what it does.
02:22:38Nimdaenope, rockbox is just rockbox
02:22:43Nimdaeit's not linux or anything else
02:22:53linuxstb|-raz0r-|: No, it has nothing to do with Linux, it was written from scratch.
02:23:04Nimdaealso, it's not an ipod thing
02:23:10Nimdaerockbox runs on a lot of devices
02:24:00|-raz0r-|so rockbox is better than podzilla? im guessing every1 here will say yes :-)
02:24:14Nimdaei won't ;)
02:24:17Nimdaeit's a matter of preference
02:24:21FebsNo, actually, we'll say Rockbox is Rockbox and Podzilla is Podzilla.
02:24:47|-raz0r-|ok.. can i play videos on my ipod photo with rockbox?
02:25:00FebsThat is, if we don't simply direct you to this FAQ:
02:25:00Nimdaehaha, i'm making a new encode at half the resolution, it's going so fast
02:25:06LloreanSomewhat. You can play about 5 minutes of video right now.
02:28:43lon1004gorockbox install.. after battry life too short...
02:29:02linuxstb...charge more often...
02:29:19lon1004gowhen support gigabeat album art?
02:30:09linuxstbNo-one ever answers a question starting with "when".
02:30:40Nimdaewhen will you port rockbox to my toaster?
02:30:44Mikachuthat sentence could be the answer to such a question
02:31:15linuxstbMikachu: But it doesn't answer the question...
02:31:16Mouser_Xlon1004go: There's already an album art patch available.
02:31:32Mouser_XIt works, but it's not part of the default Rockbox stuff.
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02:31:43Nimdaewhen am i gonna get ops?
02:31:50Nimdaeoh wait
02:31:52Mouser_XYou'd need to download it, and compile it.
02:31:52Nimdaethat'll get me kicked
02:32:24lon1004goalbum art patch available?
02:32:40lon1004gogigabeat don't display album art...
02:32:48Mouser_X<Mouser_X> It works, but it's not part of the default Rockbox stuff.
02:32:52Mouser_XDid you miss that?
02:32:53Nimdaeyou have to apply the patch
02:32:57Mouser_XOf course it doesn't work.
02:33:07Mouser_XThe patch isn't part of Rockbox stuff.
02:33:29Mouser_XYou have to download the patch separately, and compile it yourself.
02:33:52Nimdaealso, there's no support if you do that ;)
02:34:06Nimdaeexcept by the patch maintainer
02:34:24lon1004gowps patch?
02:34:38Mouser_XWPS = themes.
02:34:45Mouser_XThat's not what you're looking for.
02:34:47Nimdaewps = while playing screen
02:35:02Mouser_XI should have figured that one out...
02:35:51Nimdaea theme is actually separate from wps
02:35:56Nimdaea theme can include a wps ;)
02:36:41perldiveri have a patched build for gigabeat if anybody needs
02:36:48perldiverits not the latest one though
02:36:53perldiver0105 i think
02:36:58perldiverwith album art
02:37:00perldiverthat is
02:37:13Nimdaei have a patched build from today, but no album art >.>
02:37:21Nimdaeand for ipod
02:37:52lon1004go0105 build with album art?
02:37:53Nimdaei could fit album art in my wps if i wanted to
02:38:34lon1004goalbum art.. cover.bmp?
02:38:55perldiverno, the actual patch that enables album art support
02:39:40perldiverthe patch is unofficial so in order to display it you have to compile you own builds
02:41:02rkostynuthats fine, just patched the LED buttons yesterday, did a battery bench 14.3 hours
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02:42:15rkostynuwhats patch #
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02:42:37lon1004go14.3 hours gigabeat?
02:43:43LloreanFebs: You present?
02:43:52rkostynuits on google group the test
02:44:00LloreanMay I PM you briefly?
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02:52:48KCChow much of a difference will i notice on my Gigabeat's batterylife if I use aftermarket headphones?
02:53:23rkostynuperldiver u still here?
02:54:02Rudy4PezI just noticed "Recording" in the new Senab build for iPod 5g... Does the recording feature work? If I try to select "Recording Screen" the iPod freezes..
02:54:19Mouser_XKCC: I don't know what "aftermarket" means, but I'd assume that pretty much any headphones you use wouldn't have much affect on battery life.
02:54:27bonbonthejonRudy4Pez: I tried recording on 4g ipod and it froze also
02:54:34Mouser_XBut, that's going on the assumption that headphones don't take much power.
02:54:41rkostynuKCC i cant commrnt for sure but if they are run of the mill, nothing, if they are big pig cones then less, (because they you will be turning volume up), but overall should be nothing
02:55:03LloreanRudy4Pez: Try it with a CVS build
02:55:33Rudy4PezDoes it work with CVS?
02:56:35Rudy4PezOn the IpodStatus page of the Wiki, I read "line-in only on the 5g" and "The current code also breaks playback after a recording is made."
02:56:53Rudy4PezIs line-in just the headphone jack?
02:57:02LloreanLine In is the line-in in the dock port
02:57:10LloreanThe headhone jack on the 5G can't be used for recording.
02:57:38Rudy4PezSo an extra piece of hardware is needed... What exactly is the dock port?
02:57:49bonbonthejonis there a way to hide the record option on the menu
02:58:29KCCthanks guys
02:58:31dewdude_KCC: headphones aren't really considered aftermarket parts...yes, you usually get a pair, but, they're cheap, however, headphones won't make your unit draw any more or less power.
02:58:31Rudy4PezIs there some peripheral that gets plugged into the port at the bottom?
02:59:01KCCI was just looking at the Koss KSC75 ... anybody know anything about these phones?
03:00:36dewdude_Rudy4Pez, the dock port is this unit that you slide the ipod in to, connects to the bottom port...provides not only a place to keep your ipod when it's on your desktop, but it also interfaces with ins and outs on the connector. it's similar to the dock replicator idea on laptops...where you plugged this device onto the back and it added a bunch of proper ports to your laptop.
03:01:26FebsKSC75 is a great headphone for the money.
03:01:40FebsThey're extremely well regarded on
03:02:03KCCThats just what I needed to hear Febs
03:02:06dewdude_i like my Shure E3C's.....but that's enough of my off-topic banter.
03:02:32KCCapparently the cord on the Koss's are mighty short, which shouldnt be an issue if i plug into the gigabeat's remote
03:02:45KCCtoo bad the cord on the Koss's is black, doesnt really match the rest of the unit
03:02:48KCCbut i digress
03:02:56Mouser_XIs the remote supported by Rockbox?
03:02:56KCCrockbox is the shizznit
03:03:02Rudy4Pezdewdude_: I see a lot of peripherals that seem to do that, is there one that comes to mind that isn't a huge desktop-type model that still has the line-in port? I don't know if there is, but I'm looking for something more pocket-sized..
03:03:49FebsI don't recall the cord on the KSc75 being unduly short.
03:03:56dewdude_Rudy4Pez, i don't know. i've not actually looked at things. it's possible you might be able to find a cable that has line-in's
03:04:05CazovI'm a big fan of my cheapo sony headphones with retractable cords :p
03:04:16FebsThere version that you can get at Radio Shack has an inline volume attenuator and I think that cord is a bit longer.
03:04:45LloreanFebs: That volume attenuator is kinda horrid though
03:04:58Cazovugh...inline volume attenuators
03:05:12FebsYeah. True.
03:05:55*preglow wonders if tomorrow will be svn day
03:06:00Rudy4PezApparently this is the "official" version from Apple, but it only has line-out..
03:06:38KCChmm, i like mouser's question
03:06:45KCCdoes Rockbox support the Gigabeat's remote?
03:07:13dewdude_Rudy4Pez, well. I don't know what to tell you. I personally wouldn't want to depend on the ipod to record things. i don't know how good the ADC is.
03:07:39Rudy4PezWell I actually need it for a specific application..
03:07:46LloreanKCC: If gigabeats don't come with one, it probably doesn't. If they do, test and find out, but it probably doesn't. :-P
03:08:00lon1004goi have remote.. but don't using rockbox..
03:08:06Rudy4PezA place where I couldn't really get away with a laptop... Hehe.
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03:08:38dewdude_yeah man, i don't think the ipod has stereo mic input, so you'd have to concel a microphone preamp on you as well.
03:08:50dewdude_that won't work too well for what you want to use it for.
03:09:04Rudy4PezWell it's where I work..
03:09:11Rudy4PezI keep a backpack under my desk.
03:09:18Rudy4PezSo I could have a preamp in there..
03:09:29Rudy4PezI just can't be seen operating a laptop instead of working... Hehe.
03:09:30dewdude_it sounds borderline illegal, i don't think anyone is going to want to help you further
03:09:32dewdude_i know i'm not.
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03:09:55Rudy4PezNah, it's not about bootlegging or anything.
03:10:19Cazovhe need evidence for his whistleblower stuff
03:11:57*dewdude_ shrugs
03:12:11dewdude_there's that one product that's got a stereo mic built in, but i believe you need to be using apple firmware
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03:13:40Rudy4PezWhy is that?
03:14:17dewdude_not sure. since i never plan on using my ipod to record, never looked into it. give me a few minutes and i'll do some researck
03:14:37Rudy4PezYeah I'm looking around at different accessories at the moment.
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03:17:13Rudy4PezHmm... "iPod Radio Remote".. Is the radio tuner built into the iPod itself or into this remote device?
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03:18:15webguest64i'd like to report a bug
03:18:30webguest64"Thrash Metal" should be "Trash Metal"
03:18:33webguest64winamp was wrong
03:19:39Rudy4PezFebs: Does one need to run the original firmware for that to work?
03:19:47webguest64In actual news, the human race was doomed to extinction today, as the robot revolt turned violent
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03:20:18FebsWell, considering that recording is not yet really implemented in Rockbox for the ipod, yes.
03:20:55Rudy4PezHmm.. Well what hardware was used to test the recording feature that's currently in Rockbox?
03:21:13Rudy4PezOne of the desktop docks?
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03:22:06FebsThe recording feature that's currently in Rockbox was developed for the Archos and iriver ports.
03:22:15linuxstbRudy4Pez: This page describes the hardware needed -
03:22:58LloreanFebs: There's recording on H10 and some iPods now, though it's terribly untested.
03:23:18FebsYes, I was getting to that!
03:23:51FebsI got distracted reading the wiki page linuxstb linked to.
03:23:54linuxstbAnd as Febs mentioned, "not yet really implemented"...
03:24:11linuxstbSomeone needs to steal that info for the Rockbox manual or wiki...
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03:25:10linuxstbRudy4Pez: I developed recording for the ipods using a custom-made dock line-in connector donated to Rockbox by the nice gentleman who runs
03:25:41linuxstbI'm sure he'll take orders, but it may not be cheap.
03:27:27*linuxstb wonders where everyone has gone...
03:27:41*Rudy4Pez is looking at the fancy pictures.
03:27:47*Mouser_X is still here.
03:27:57Mouser_XI just don't have anything to say at this time.
03:28:08Mouser_XI've been working on a WPS...
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03:28:40*linuxstb wonders about the logic behind spending $400 for a cable for an ipod...
03:29:09Rudy4Pezlinuxstb: Does the Apple firmware support recording?
03:29:24Febslinuxstb: logic doesn't have anything to do with it.
03:29:33Rudy4Pez(I can't check at the moment because I just updated the bootloader and can't get into the OF)
03:30:37FebsTo wit: the "cables" forum at head-fi is expressly designated as a "no double-blind test" forum.
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03:32:13FebsIt's funny, though, how people who buy the $400 cables can be so anti-EQ, yet they use cables to (allegedly) tailor their sound.
03:32:39linuxstbRudy4Pez: The Apple firmware requires a "real" recording accessory to record. I'm not sure if you can buy such accessories for the 5g yet.
03:33:10FebsThe link I provided above is a recording device that works with the 5g.
03:33:26FebsThe singer in my band uses one to record rehearsals.
03:33:58Rudy4PezIs the actual recording software present in the iPod itself or in the recording device?
03:34:32linuxstbI expect it's in the ipod, but just disabled.
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03:35:22Rudy4PezBecause if the recording device doesn't add any actual software and is just a hardware connection, I'd imagine that would make it more likely to be compatible with Rockbox recording..
03:35:50BHSPitLappyiPL did it with several pre-5G iPods
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03:36:14BHSPitLappyyou can read up on their wiki
03:36:46linuxstbRockbox implements it for the 5g... (plus line-in on the 4g and Nano).
03:36:54preglowamiconn: i think the first order filter will do just nicely
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03:38:18Rudy4PezAnd do we still not know why the new bootloader keeps the original firmware from working?
03:38:18linuxstbRudy4Pez: That recording accessory might need initialising, in a similar way to the itrips do. So it may not work out of the box with Rockbox.
03:38:28Rudy4PezAh, true..
03:38:31linuxstbRudy4Pez: On which ipod?
03:38:41linuxstbIt doesn't.
03:39:49linuxstbOr does it?
03:39:51Rudy4PezIf I use the hold switch to boot OF, I get an Apple error message with a URL under the "!" icon..
03:40:08linuxstbDid you install from a clean firmware partition?
03:40:35Rudy4PezI think I backed up, and then installed the new one..
03:41:32linuxstbI'm trying now...
03:42:04Rudy4PezWas there some sort of "removal" step I was supposed to take before installing the new bootloader?
03:42:10cheriffIs is possible to have a 'whole disk shuffle'? The shuffle option seems to only randomly select within a single directory
03:42:20Rudy4PezBecause I just backed up the old one and then installed over it.
03:42:25ZerapheMy 5.5g boots the original firmware just fine...
03:42:53Rudy4PezWhat's the difference between 5g and 5.5g by the way?
03:43:06ZerapheThe 5.5 has a sector size of 2048.
03:43:10linuxstbI've just tried it with a clean firmware partition, and my 5g boots the Apple firmware fine.
03:43:32ZerapheAt least, that's the main quantifiable difference.
03:43:45Rudy4PezHow do you tell which one you have?
03:44:15ZerapheThe Apple firmware has a "Search" option in the Music menu for the 5.5.
03:44:17linuxstbipodpatcher will display the sector size
03:44:31ZerapheOr you can fdisk it and look for the sector size warning.
03:44:56ZerapheOr what linuxstb just said.
03:45:21Rudy4PezOk, I've got ipodpatcher running..
03:45:49linuxstbDo "ipodpatcher device" and that should display a sector size message.
03:46:02Rudy4PezGot it.
03:46:28Rudy4Pez512, so that's 5g. Thanks. :)
03:47:06Rudy4PezWhat's the practical difference of having the larger sector size?
03:47:39linuxstbNo-one has figured it out... Doesn't seem to be any good reason for it.
03:48:15linuxstbThe physical sector size of the disk is still 512 bytes, but the Apple disk mode presents it to your PC as 2048-byte sectors.
03:48:26Rudy4PezSo back to the bootloader, was I supposed to wipe the partition somehow before installing the new bootloader?
03:49:08LloreanRudy4Pez: You were supposed to restore the backed up bootpartition.bin from your previous install, or do ipodpatcher -d to remove the old bootloader.
03:49:17linuxstbIt _should_ have worked without restoring your firmware partition, but in your case (and I think other people as well), it didn't. Maybe it's the same problem that's preventing the original firmware booting on the mini and 4g.
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03:49:26Rudy4PezAh, ok.. THat's what I missed.
03:49:39linuxstbAlthough for lots of people it has worked...
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03:54:29linuxstbI just tried upgrading my 5g from an old bootloader install directly to the new bootloader, and the apple firmware doesn't start - I get an immediate reboot. So at least I now have a bug I can recreate...
03:54:56linuxstbBut it's 3am, and I shouldn't be awake. Goodnight all.
03:55:11Rudy4PezYeah, that's what happened to me.
03:55:17Rudy4PezHaha, laters.
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04:25:17goffai remember there was a tool that would make custom patched builds of rockbox
04:25:20goffaanyone remember what it was?
04:25:24goffaor if it still exists?
04:25:33LloreanIt didn't really work out
04:25:43LloreanUnless you're simply referring to GCC. ;)
04:25:55goffaweb page
04:28:37Rudy4PezLlorean: I had to reinstall the original backup I made and then install the bootloader as if it were the first time.
04:28:47Rudy4PezNow the OF will boot, fyi.
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04:40:54tawmwould I get scolded if I asked for help?
04:41:00LloreanProbably not
04:41:08LloreanThough you might get pointed at the manual if the answer is in it.
04:42:43tawmwhen I power off my 4th gen ipod (greyscale) it immediately begins to reboot
04:43:04tawmit does the same thing when I set the sleep timer
04:47:05tawmi'm guessing its supposed to be able to power down
04:47:36hen3rztawn: i recall someone in here earlier reporting the same problem
04:47:51hen3rznot sure if they found a fix though
04:48:17tawmthat was a similar issue, I think
04:48:47tawmhis/hers is more about it over heating though
04:50:03Lloreantawm: How do you try to power it down?
04:50:19tawmpress and hold the play pause button for 4 seconds
04:50:47tawmit says "powering down" then ~2 seconds later the apple screen appears and rockbox boots
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04:50:51LloreanAnd USB works as normal, it doesn't think it's connected when it's not or anything?
04:51:33tawmmy linux computer isn't recognizing it when I plug it in through firewire
04:51:44tawmI don't have a usb cable
04:52:08Nimdaeas far as i know, firewire isn't supported in rockbox
04:52:17Nimdaebut i'm just joining in this conversation and i may be missing something
04:52:36tawmthe manual says two different things
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04:52:56tawmin the start it says autodetect for firewire isn't supported
04:52:58Nimdaei'm not even sure apple's disk mode supports it
04:53:33Nimdaei have a firewire cable, but no firewire ports to test it with, heh
04:53:45tawmbut thought the windows install, it showed up when i ran somethingsomething −−scan
04:54:10LloreanThe autodetect for firewire is from within rockbox
04:54:24LloreanThe installation doesn't care how it's attached to the PC.
04:54:32Nimdaeah, this is definately not a 5g if you are using firewire in windows, so i'll hush
04:54:37LloreanNow, when your iPod is automatically turning on: Is this when it's entirely unplugged from anything?
04:55:58LloreanOut of curiosity, a few things: 1) Are you running the newest bootloader, 2) Do you mind if your settings accidentally get cleared while trying something really quickly?
04:57:10tawmI don't have any custom settings or songs saved to the drive so I don't mind losing anything (just if it breaks completely), and the newest release
04:57:39tawmthe release build, not the experimental stuff
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04:58:27Lloreantawm: I asked about the bootloader, not the build. And what "experimental stuff"? There are no "release" builds, just CVS and Daily.
04:59:04tawmthe bootloader is from where the manual links
04:59:15tawmas of about two days ago
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05:00:59LloreanTry turning it off, and as soon as the words telling you it's shutting down show up, let go of all buttons and turn on hold, as quickly as you can.
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05:03:01tawmthe apple logo comes up, gets to loading original firmware in the boot screen then enters a restart loop
05:03:54LloreanThat's strange then.
05:04:17LloreanAnd I take it, then, that your original firmware doesn't work either. =/
05:04:27tawmI havent tried
05:04:49LloreanWell, you just did.
05:04:53tawmhaha ok
05:05:34LloreanIt was a multi-part test. I was wondering if something was wrong with one of your buttons, and it thought that it was being pressed. If there is, it's something that Hold doesn't block. As well, it should've gone into Apple OS, instead of looping.
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05:05:45Rudy4PezHey Llorean, do you know if there's a way to copy a video to my iPod 5g so that it can be viewed in the OF, but without using iTunes to transfer it?
05:05:54LloreanRudy4Pez: We don't really deal with the OF here.
05:06:11Lloreantawm: Unfortunately, there's not much I personally can further suggest.
05:06:34Nimdaei think the lack of usb connection detection with the cop patch is related to the mpegplayer
05:07:42LloreanNimdae: How so?
05:07:56tawmLlorean: thanks for the help just the same
05:08:14Nimdaelet me finish working on reproducing it
05:08:32scorcheLlorean: heh...i just noticed the mail from the guy that notified us that were were "rude"
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05:08:51Nimdaeif i don't use the mpegplayer, cable connection detection works fine
05:08:59Nimdaeif i use the mpegplayer, it stops working
05:09:22Nimdaeif i reboot, it starts working again
05:09:40Nimdaeis there a flyspray entry for the mpegplayer already?
05:10:48tawmOne thing I just noticed is that when rockbox first booted "rockbox.ipod" was listed in the directory view. Now it is no longer
05:11:14Nimdaedid you switch to id3 tag view?
05:11:50Lloreanscorche: "rude"? I'm not actually sure what you're referring to.
05:12:10LloreanI've had a sort of bad-public-relations week, so I just can't pick out a specific incident where "rude" was the flavour of choice.
05:12:43Mouser_XYou've seemed nice enough to me.
05:12:49scorcheLlorean: the notification he used to rant about us
05:12:54Mouser_XI don't read the forums though, so who am I to talk?
05:13:27Nimdaei read them sometimes
05:13:33Lloreanscorche: The one that was upset about Febs locking his thread?
05:13:51Nimdaeoh, i wonder if this is the thread i think iti s
05:13:54scorchethe one about how we are biased against non-rockbox targets...
05:13:58scorchedevices rather
05:14:16LloreanBecause the guy was asking about how to copy music without using proprietary software, rather than starting a new port.
05:14:25scorcheoh i know
05:14:40scorchejust find it a nomination for creative use of the report to moderator button
05:14:48LloreanMouser_X: Oh, I'm an absolute tyrant. But, the forums do have rules and they're publicly posted, we just enforce then.
05:14:55Lloreanscorche: Aye.
05:15:13Mouser_XHeh. I can't blame you for that.
05:16:10Nimdaewait, he was complaining because yall don't support the use of devices outside of rockbox?
05:16:16Nimdaeand he says yall are
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05:21:26Nimdaeit's the guy with 2 posts, right?
05:22:51LloreanAbout the sony player? Yeah
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06:14:32Aloneaany success on figuring out the video problems or other stuff on the gigabeat?
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06:47:47Stalwartis battery life improved since this summer (then i tried rockbox last time) ?
06:47:57Stalwarti have nano 1g
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06:51:01scorcheit still is sub-par, but there have been some advances
06:51:16scorchei get about 8:30 on mine
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06:54:13tamacrackerhow do you save your presets? If you don't save it and shut the gigabeat off, it automatically resets your EQ. When I go to the save presets, it gives me a file name but I can't save it as that file name.
06:54:35Stalwartscorche: col, 8.30 is great, i had 7 this sumer
06:54:59Stalwarti want to try ipodlinux too ;)
06:55:16Stalwarti read ipl guys ported MPD to ipods
06:55:47thegeekmusic player daemon?
06:56:04Mouser_XI've never heard of it.
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06:56:06Stalwarti hope all these small bugs in rockbox are fixed now
06:56:08thegeekI have
06:56:18thegeekipl is great and all
06:56:21StalwartMouser_X: check, it's one of best music players for nix
06:56:23thegeekbut rockbox is much better;P
06:56:26Stalwarti use it everyday
06:56:45*Mouser_X uses Winamp.
06:57:21Stalwartfor windows nothing can beat foobar2000 (
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06:57:33Mouser_XI've used that too.
06:57:34Stalwartbut windows sucks, so who cares anyway?
06:57:35Mouser_XI didn't like it.
06:57:54scorcheand this channel is about rockbox, so it shouldnt be the topic anyway =P
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06:58:03Mouser_XYes, sorry.
06:58:06Stalwartlinux is like rockbox for your pc ;)
06:58:17thegeekmpd is a really nice project
06:58:20thegeekgood concept
06:58:23Stalwartfree os, countless possibilities
06:58:28thegeekfor a dap it's better with custom code
06:58:37thegeekmuch more efficient
06:58:39thegeekit's like ipl
06:58:43thegeekit works
06:58:49thegeekit's just not very practical
06:58:52Stalwartneed to grep changelog for last 6 months
06:59:03*Stalwart jumps away co college
06:59:12Stalwartneed to study ;)
06:59:36BHSPitLappythegeek, FYI, rockbox and iPL cannot be "better" or "worse" than the other, unless you mean for a specific task. They're separate projects with separate goals.
07:01:48scorcheBHSPitLappy: however, one can assign one of those with a specific thought in mind
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07:06:11scorchein other words, he was meaning for a specific task
07:07:52thegeekBHSPitLappy: well if you need a specific task I guess I mean better at beeing a dap
07:07:56thegeekbetter at playing music
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07:21:29Aloneaso I finally got around to testing out GB and GBC games on the gigabeat, and I am completely happy. So far, no problems. any chance of NES?
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08:21:06stridso my 5g ipod won't load rockbox or the original firmware, getting stuck on the loading screen
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08:21:37stridit also flashes an ascii penis and insists I let it do a2m on me
08:21:43stridone of these statements is an exaggeration
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08:25:20stridis there an "oh shit" mode that bypasses the bootloader or something?
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08:25:52stridor should I just shove my bricked ipod up my ass so I can shit the proverbial bricks
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08:30:52Mouser_Xstrid: I think everyone may be asleep (or close?). I'd help, but I don't have enough information to do so.
08:31:02Mouser_XIn other words, come back later.
08:31:19Mouser_XOthers have had similar problems, and gotten them fixed.
08:31:29Mouser_XSo, just be patient.
08:31:48Mouser_XSorry I'm not the one who can help...
08:31:51stridCannot copy tagnavi: Data error (cyclic redundancy check).
08:31:53stridwhat the christ
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08:36:24scorchestrid: run a filesystem check on the device
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08:37:17stridscorche: could you explain how, please?
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08:38:59scorchewhat OS are you running?
08:38:59bagawkstrid: you ipod is not going to be bricked
08:39:12stridscorche: xp
08:39:31bagawkstrid: I think menu+select to reboot and then someting like play+select for disk mode, the jsut restore
08:39:58stridyeah, I did that much
08:40:12scorchestrid: right-click the device in my computer > properties > tools > check now
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08:40:18stridwhen I try to overwrite the firmware, I get the cyclic redundancy check
08:40:23stridwhich I guess means the hdd shat itself
08:40:33stridif you'll pardon my layman's terms
08:40:45scorcheor the filesystem
08:41:06scorchelayman's terms are fine, but swearing is unnecessary
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08:41:10stridscorche: there isn't a more specialized tool, is there?
08:41:39scorcheif you were running linux there would be, but that should do the job
08:41:51stridit just finished.
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08:43:01strid(no errors)
08:43:28stridI uninstalled rockbox via the bootloader and now it's stuck clicking
08:43:30stridoh joy
08:43:48stridI bet I'm a day past the warranty too
08:43:51scorcheyou mean from ipodpatcher?
08:43:57stridmy bad
08:44:18scorcheand disk check didnt turn up any errors?
08:45:12scorcheand it wont boot up without rockbox?
08:45:31stridit's stuck on the black screen with a white apple
08:45:41stridfor 4-5 seconds
08:45:51stridthen it goes blank, the hdd stops spinning with a click, and it starts over
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08:49:45LloreanSounds like hardware failure though.
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08:57:26stridhow do I format the ipod without itunes?
09:00:38lexmkdosfs /dev/sda2
09:00:46lexor sdc, sdd, depends on your sata-devices
09:00:51lexscsi i mean
09:01:14stridI don't run linux
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09:01:22lexon windows then, just format it
09:01:27lexor cmd, format X:
09:01:29lexX is the letter
09:01:37stridis there a specific uh
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09:01:47stridwell, fat32?
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09:01:52stridor nfts or uh
09:01:59stridthat weird mac format
09:02:02stridI don't know
09:03:50amiconnfat32 if you want rockbox
09:04:07amiconnrockbox doesn't support hfs+, and windows doesn't support it either
09:04:35amiconnntfs would be completely wrong
09:05:21hachiI want amigafs support
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09:09:40amiconnThere is no such filesystem. Could be one of ffs, sfs or pfs3, typically
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09:10:33amiconnAnd nobody is holding you back if you want to code support for one of those
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09:11:41LloreanI've had bad luck actually just formatting my iPod in windows, but it could be nano-specific.
09:11:55LloreanFor some reason the format reformats the whole device, rather than just the filesystem partition.
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09:12:56amiconnLlorean: Maybe your partition table was broken?
09:13:21amiconnIn such a case, windows likes to format flash devices in superfloppy mode, i.e. without a partition table at all
09:14:09LloreanIt's possible.
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10:08:09GodEaterWebbased on the assumption that someone somewhere once upon a time did actually ask portalplayer for documentation - did they reply?
10:08:18Bagderthey didn't
10:08:39GodEaterWebit doesn't take much for a politely worded "No" does it ?
10:08:52shooraAnyone want to try landscape doom?
10:09:05GodEaterWebMaybe we should try emailing them once a day until we get at least a reply
10:09:24GodEaterWebwe could legitimately claim we don't know if they're even getting the emails or not
10:09:32BagderI doubt that would bring any goodness
10:10:30GodEaterWebit's possible that whoever's in tray it landed in the first time had just come back from holiday and decided to mass delete their email rather than answer them though?
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10:11:53*GodEaterWeb may try emailing them again just the once to see if they even acknowledge him
10:12:19GodEaterWebdo we have a "stock" email for such requests ? Or shall I lovingly craft my own ?
10:12:25BagderGodEaterWeb: I don't think even the producers of mp3 players have any docs for the PP
10:12:47Bagderthey get docs for the APIs and they get binary blobs
10:12:51GodEaterWebBagder: I know - I think you're right - but even so, I think I'll try
10:13:08GodEaterWebI think they get "pre-written" firmware too don't they ?
10:13:08Bagderbut no, we don't have any good template for such a mail
10:13:11GodEaterWebwhich they can then modify
10:13:27Bagderyeah, at least they get some sample "firmware" and bootloader and stuff
10:13:41Bagdersince most PP players are very similar
10:14:08GodEaterWebOkay - I'll draft something up, and then probably dump it on pastebin - so you guys can comment, and add anything I miss.
10:14:20BagderI find it amusing sandisk decided to change their crypto key between two firmware releases...
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10:14:35GodEaterWebweren't they the guys who approached us in the first place ?
10:14:59Bagderbut I only a marketing guy
10:15:08Bagderhe probably had no clue what he was asking for in the first place
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10:15:54GodEaterWebthey very often don't
10:16:05Bagderbut they did send us some hardware
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10:16:16GodEaterWebmarketing people are good at drinking, and organsing functions at which to drink.
10:16:28GodEaterWebin my experience
10:16:53GodEaterWeboccassionally it has something to do with their product
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11:05:54tychverjust build the tagDB on a 30GB 5G ipod with 9GB of 128KB/s of MP3s, the battery lost about 30% capacity while still being plugged into USB
11:06:24tychveris it normal to consume more power than the USB port can supply?
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11:07:13hcsnormal with rockbox at the moment, yes
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11:08:31jbahey gang
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11:09:09jbagotthardt / sloth, hey guys i saw commits to the lcd_enable() function earlier today, but i don't have the option in my backlight menu (from rockbox cvs) is it not enabled yet?
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11:09:34jbaalso i noticed that my bass and treble settings never survive a rockbox reboot
11:09:40jbaanyone know why that be?
11:09:53jbain fact even when i save, and reload the settings they are set at 0db again
11:10:32RedZZRjba: its in the debug menu at the moment... not added to the display settings yet - i beleive
11:11:08jbaoh yeah and the debug menu keypad lights don't work on X, but not only that I don't get any other options
11:11:21jbaobvoiusly since the X doesn't have keyp[ad lights
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11:13:05tychverdoes the ipod actually charge while in the rockbox usb mode? mine seemed to go empty rather fast during transfers
11:13:48scorchethere is no rockbox usb mode
11:13:58scorchethat is apple's disk mode
11:14:04scorcheand yes it does charge
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11:15:41tychverI meant when you hold down menu and plug it in to charge it, it says it's charging, but when moving files around on the ipod the battery starts to deplete
11:16:43LloreanYou can't transfer to the iPod in that mode. Are you just copying the files around to other places inside of Rockbox?
11:16:43scorcheit is charging...whether that amount of charging is more than your drain depends what you are doing
11:18:33tychveryeah I accidently put nine gigs of mp3s in the wrong place....
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11:28:32GodEaterWebis there a short list somewhere of "things we'd like to know about PortalPlayer" ?
11:28:50GodEaterWebI've looked on our iPodPort page for things we've yet to do - but I'm not sure how accurately it reflects these things
11:29:07GodEaterWebfor instance we list USB at 100% - even though we're not really doing all that much with it.
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11:30:06Bagderwell, we most probably don't init the hw properly for example
11:30:13Bagderdrawing too much power
11:30:28GodEaterWebyeah - but I'm looking for specific examples of what HW features we're after
11:30:36Bagderand we don't know enough to run the CPU freqs properly
11:31:03Bagderand on the PP5024 we don't have info enough for the DAC and more
11:31:05GodEaterWebon the basis that PortalPlayer might be more inclined to release some limited info rather than the whole "PortalPlayers secret plan for world domination(tm)"
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11:34:29GodEaterWebI'm assuming that asking about the iPod Video's Broadcom chip would be out of scope for the email since it's not part of the SoC that PortalPlayer provide apple with ?
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11:36:57LloreanGodEaterWeb: I've tried contacting portalplayer just to open communications.
11:37:03LloreanGodEaterWeb: They don't even reply, at all.
11:38:04LloreanLinusN: I even attached a read-receipt on the email. In theory it was read.
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11:39:28*GodEaterWeb shrugs
11:39:35GodEaterWebIt can't hurt to send another though hey ?
11:39:47GodEaterWebI'm just putting the "business spin" into the email now.
11:39:57GodEaterWebArguing why it would be a great idea for them to help us out :)
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11:41:12LloreanMy email to portalplayer may be in the mailing list archive.
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11:44:05GodEaterWebLlorean: any idea on the date you sent it ? Even roughly ?
11:44:28LloreanGodEaterWeb: Not even close, unfortunately. And I just searched for it and can't find it. Maybe it's not there after all. My memory is slightly fuzzy.
11:44:48linuxstbGodEaterWeb: Look at the IpodStatus wiki page - that has a better "to-do" list.
11:44:53LloreanI know I got it reviewed, but I'm not sure if I just posted it on some webspace I had at the time.
11:45:20linuxstbLlorean: You didn't send it to the public mailing lists.
11:45:53GodEaterWeblinuxstb: cool - that's just what I was after
11:46:03Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, make sense.
11:46:08Lloreanlinuxstb: I wasn't entirely sure.
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11:46:14linuxstbGodEaterWeb: But I think power management is the biggest thing we would want.
11:46:37linuxstb(plus the DAC for the Sansa port)
11:47:54GodEaterWeband (somewhat selfishly) how to do ATA properly :)
11:48:55linuxstbATA works for me :)
11:48:58jbaso i take it gotthardt isn't around?
11:49:10GodEaterWeblinuxstb: yeah yeah - stop teasing :)
11:50:57jbado any other targets have the issue where the bass and trebble sittings aren't saved/reloaded on rockbox power cycle?
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11:52:26GodEaterWeb <−− my version. I'm going to email it to them, and submit it via their web form thingy. Comments welcome.
11:53:07LloreanI hunted down an individual's email address rather than the web form. The form might actually work better, but I figured it wasn't quite for what we were trying. I may have been wrong.
11:53:19GodEaterWebonly one way to be sure :)
11:53:35GodEaterWebI may see if I can find someone at nVidia to send it to as well
11:54:42LloreanGodEaterWeb: You might mention the PP502x series as the chips we're interested in, specifically 20 ,21, 22, and 24 (did I get the numbers right?)
11:54:50LloreanI'm not sure how many products they actually have available.
11:54:55GodEaterWebgood idea
11:55:18GodEaterWebI think we'd want the 5002 for completeness too - in case we ever back port to the 1st and 2nd gen.
11:55:22LloreanThe only one you mention specifically is the 24, and it would be bad if they only addressed that as it's specifically designed for flash based devices and may have some unforseen differences.
11:55:38linuxstbRockbox is already running on the PP5002 (3rd gen)
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11:56:33LloreanOh, right I contacted them like 2 or 3 weeks after it was announced that Apple was moving away from PP for their flash based players.
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11:59:20jbahopefully someon can respond during the night (one of the gigabeat guys?) and i'll read it in the logs tomorrow from work
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12:00:22Lloreanjba: The iPod had that briefly.
12:00:43Lloreanjba: Do the settings actually *definitely* do something other than just adjusting the volume?
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12:00:55LloreanSomeone mentioned the treble seemed to raise bass too.
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12:03:49GodEaterWebCGI IRC is even more flakey than usual today
12:04:08GodEaterWebanyway - I just wondered what you thought about CCing their management team members directly ?
12:06:01LloreanGodEaterWeb: If you CC it to too many people, it might have a negative effect.
12:06:45LloreanI would take your current letter, and send it to the form, and then wait a couple weeks. If no response at all, not even a rejection, then try the individuals.
12:08:48luckzdid anybody see mr support developer lately?
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12:12:13linuxstbjba: I think you need to add WM8751 to the list of WM defines in various places, starting with apps/settings.c
12:12:43linuxstb(search for HAVE_WM in that file)
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12:19:12Mikachuwhy does it have a due date?
12:19:18LloreanBagder: There really should be a special form of rejection for requests like that, such as "What, do it AGAIN?!"
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12:19:47scorcheso sad, some people...
12:19:54Bagderor perhaps we should just do it like "okay, we did it right now on your request, see here =>"
12:20:09Mikachusay you'll do it for $50
12:20:20Bagderand we managed to double-close it! ;-)
12:20:47Llorean"Accepted, and completed, you had such a wonderful idea that we had to get right on it."
12:21:10LloreanThe more closed, the better.
12:21:32scorcheBagder: can you change;def=bad_wikiname so it is correct and omits the JohnS example?
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12:31:38Mikachu"Good Examples" is confusing, it suggests that the ones in that column are what you should use
12:33:08linuxstbMikachu: What's wrong with the examples?
12:33:58Mikachuit looks like RickO is a good name and Rick O is a bad one to me
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12:34:25linuxstbThat's right.
12:34:26Mikachui don't even understand what it's trying to tell me
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12:34:41Mikachuif they're all bad, what's wrong with JohnSmith?
12:34:53scorchethe last 2 need to be removed
12:34:57linuxstbThe Good Examples column is how you should write it.
12:35:31scorchei didnt mean JohnS....i meant the last two...sorry
12:35:55linuxstbWhat's wrong with the last two?
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12:36:24Lloreanlinuxstb: I think our Wiki is supposed to have full names, not one-character shortenings.
12:36:35linuxstbThey're not one-character shortenings....
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12:36:49scorcheand it says so in the registration page, but not that page
12:37:00Lloreanlinuxstb: You think Keller's first name is actually just "F"?
12:37:03scorche"Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule."
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12:37:09linuxstbLlorean: Yes.
12:37:13Mikachuand rick's last name is "O"?
12:37:13linuxstbRead the second column...
12:37:19linuxstbMikachu: Yes.
12:37:23linuxstbRead the second column...
12:37:29Mikachui took the text in () to be an explanation of why it was bad
12:37:45LloreanThe second column implied to me that they just wanted to type a single character for the last name, rather than having a single character last name.
12:38:01linuxstbNo, the second column is how NOT to write the name.
12:40:00scorchelinuxstb: yes, but the first column, last 2 rows are still wrong
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12:40:26Lloreanscorche: Those are intended to be people who actually have single character first or last names.
12:40:27scorchesee my last 2 lines
12:40:32whootiesup yall
12:40:46scorche,,,they are?
12:40:48whootiehey, from what i can gather
12:40:58whootierockboy is supposed to come proloaded
12:40:59whootieif ou will
12:41:10linuxstbscorche: Yes, which is why it tells you to put the first-name last if your first name is just a single letter.
12:41:12whootieon the latest daily ipod video build
12:41:14Lloreanscorche: Apparently. The text in the () most likely means that, honestly, though I immediately dismissed it as meaning that since I haven't met anyone with a single character for either
12:41:16scorchewhootie: it is a viewer....see the manual
12:41:26whootiei looked at the manual
12:41:29whootiei understand taht
12:41:34whootiebut i cannot open the plugin
12:41:38whootieits not even listed
12:41:47scorchethen read the manual again
12:41:48linuxstbwhootie: Rockboy doesn't work on all devices Rockbox runs on. What do you have?
12:41:49Mikachuso you didn't in fact look at the manual, nor understand taht
12:41:49Lloreanwhootie: It is a viewer plugin. You do not open the plugin.
12:41:50whootieso i try adn download it, but cannot find it linked anywhere
12:42:12Mikachuif you select a gameboy game, it will open with rockboy automatically
12:42:16whootieill read it word for word right now then
12:42:21Bagderif rockboy works for your target, it is included in every rockbox zip
12:42:36whootiei think thats the dael
12:43:05whootiethankf Llorean and Bagder
12:45:28whootieis that what yall mean by manual??
12:45:32whootieor something else?
12:45:49Lloreanwhootie: We mean the manual. The one behind the link "Manual" on every page of the site except the tracker.
12:45:57LloreanBut that page also says it very explicitly
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12:46:34whootiei see
12:46:46whootieabout the gb or gbc files
12:47:18whootiethe only line i missed when skimming
12:47:30whootiethe pic links dont work
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12:51:10whootieholy shit man
12:51:24whootiethats the web host of that guy who passed
12:52:15whootieisnt that crazy
12:52:22whootiei think it said he was 23 at some college
12:52:27whootieyounger than me
12:52:32whootiekeelin over dead
12:52:41whootietoo bad
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12:55:44whootieAnyways, so I understand that rockboy wont show up int he plugin list, but y9ou just open the rom file
12:55:59whootieBut how do you "explore" to the file to "click" on it?
12:56:20Lloreanwhootie: i assume you've used Rockbox a little. Have you clicked on a song to play it?
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12:58:03whootieCorrect. I have used it for the last 3 hours.
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12:58:12whootieKudos to the development team
12:58:14whootieby the way
12:58:22whootieI really appreciate and ejoy all your hard work!
12:58:32Lloreanwhootie: That statement was a subtle hint that what you need to do is exactly the same as playing music files.
12:58:42whootieive played music files
12:58:43whootieOH YEASH
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12:58:47whootieim sorry
12:58:58whootiei remember the two different menu deals
12:59:05whootieclick the center button
12:59:11whootieto get to the dir listing
12:59:17whootiegot it
12:59:20whootiethanks yall
12:59:31whootiefor dealing with my dumb questions
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13:10:42whootienow i made a separate dir on my ipod hdd
13:10:57whootieand put all the roms in there. I then expected to be able to navigate there
13:11:02whootieand see them listed
13:11:06whootieand click on one
13:11:09whootiebut that doesnt work
13:11:25LloreanYou are navigating in filetree mode, not database, right?
13:11:29whootiedoes the dir have to be in the .rockbox one?
13:11:40whootiei wish i knew what that was and how to do either
13:11:49LloreanNo, in fact it's harder to find if it's in .rockbox, since .rockbox is hidden.
13:11:59linuxstbDo you see the directory itself, and not the files, or neither/
13:12:14whootiei can see the r0mS dir i made
13:12:21whootieand i can navigate into it
13:12:22whootiebut i cannot see any fiels listed
13:12:25whootieand there are like 6
13:12:54linuxstbHold MENU until the quick-menu comes up, and what does the bottom line say, under "Show FIles" ?
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13:14:07whootiesee, i hopped in my car after flashing and getting it to work
13:14:13whootieand had to test it out witha blunt
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13:14:19whootiei was loving the voice option
13:14:30whootiebut i never knew about no "Quick-Menu"
13:15:27scorchereading the manual is really something that everyone should do
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13:15:34whootieyour right
13:15:39whootieimma go do that now
13:15:49whootiei never made it past the installation part earlier
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13:16:10scorcheFebs: i think you were ignored =/
13:17:03*linuxstb is scared that whootie can operate a car...
13:18:06scorchei think that him saying that he named the dir "r0mS" says a lot...
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13:34:22frasse[h]im owning a iRiver E10.. i cant find any info on the rockbox site that there is any progress towards porting to E10.. so i wonder is there any activity that is not published? anyway, if not how do you guys/girls go about when you start porting for a new machine?
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13:39:03jhMikeSpreglow: I've got a fixed-point blit synth I made up. :) A messy one with only square output atm but operational nonetheless.
13:39:43pixelmafrasse[h]: IIRC there was at least one guy to start investigating the E10's hardware... it must be in the wiki too
13:40:07frasse[h]ok ill try to find it
13:40:21frasse[h]ah thanks
13:40:51frasse[h]200 mhz arm.. can be handy
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13:51:31bluebrotherBagder: I just read your comment about FS #5903. Should we move the game files to /.rockbox/doom (because rockboy uses /.rockbox/rockboy) or move all game data (including rockboy) to /.rockbox/gamedata/<name>?
13:51:45FebsLlorean: I just copied you on a PM to "Nicolaw" in the forums.
13:52:44FebsWho is apparently an idiot, because he still can't understand why I locked his thread where he asked questions about using SonicStage on Sony players.
13:53:52LloreanFebs: It's possible that he intended his post as a very, very, very poorly worded attempt at starting a New Port thread, which then immediately moved to off topic discussion, but that still doesn't excuse that he continued the off topic, and that he reacted the way he did.
13:58:00FebsI honestly don't think he had any intent to request a new port. I think that he just wants to know how to get SonicStage to use MP3s instead of ATRAC and figured "oh, these are computer guys so they can help me."
13:58:50LloreanI dunno, he did make mention of searching specifically for alternate firmware for it, and then discovered that we didn't support it.
13:59:33LloreanEither way, his thread was off topic very quickly, and his excuse that nobody reads the rules is rather arrogant of him, I think.
14:00:45LloreanI have a very low tolerance for people who try to excuse themselves, as if "I didn't care enough to read the rules" actually makes it okay.
14:01:30LloreanEspecially since we have the POSTING IN THIS FORUM reminders in every forum, just to be safe. I honestly believed those would help for a little while
14:02:38FebsAs we say in my profession, Ignorantia juris non excusat ("ignorance of the law is no excuse").
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14:10:17LinusNi still think we should be a little more tolerant with noobs of his kind, because not all forums on the net are as strict as ours
14:10:36LinusNit gives a somewhat unfriendly feeling
14:11:19LloreanLinusN: I'm not sure what you mean by tolerance in this case.
14:12:07LinusNwell, maybe not this case (i haven't seen anything especially rude in that thread though, was it removed?)
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14:12:32LloreanLinusN: When Febs first locked the thread, the OP responded by sending him a PM accusing him of closing the thread just because he hated Sony.
14:12:52LinusNi think that thread was closed too early
14:12:56LloreanNothing particularly rude, on either side, as far as I'm aware.
14:13:08LloreanLinusN: I am a little concerned about that as well.
14:13:48LloreanUpon seeing the thread and hearing about how the person responded to Febs, I sent him an email explaining that the forum was intended for starting new ports, and that from the context of the discussion, that thread was not about it, and trying to explain clearly why I thought the thread was closed and what would be appropriate.
14:13:51thegeekLinusN: did you get the h120 I sent?
14:13:53LloreanHe never responded back to me.
14:13:56LinusNi think febs was a little too fast on the close button "However, this discussion has nothing to do with Rockbox and really is not appropriate for the Rockbox forums."
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14:14:51FebsI'm surprised that you feel that way.
14:14:53LinusNthegeek: i don't know. there is a package waiting for me at the post office, it could be it
14:16:45*Llorean isn't really sure on this one.
14:16:58LloreanI think given the initial evidence, I wouldn't have locked the thread, but posted a warning.
14:17:10LinusNFebs: in this particular case, it might have been too off-topic, but i get the feeling that we are a little too harsh in the forums
14:17:22LloreanBut seeing Nicolaw's responses to the action, I'm more convinced that it was perhaps how it would've ended anyway.
14:17:23LinusNin general
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14:18:07LloreanLinusN: I try to respond on a sliding scale. If someone says "I'm not sure if this is in the right place" or anything else like that, I'll move it up front, and probably even explain why I put it where I did.
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14:18:39LloreanIf it contains no such disclaimer and it's in one of the Installation forums, I'll lock it, and tell the user to read the rules.
14:18:42FebsLinusN, I agree with you generally, just not with respect to this particular thread.
14:19:26LloreanIf it's in New Ports or Unsupported Builds and is completely off topic, (like someone requesting an unsupported build) I'll probably delete it, and explain to the user why it was removed in a PM.
14:19:49LinusNi believe it could be a clash with how other community forums are
14:20:04LinusNmany other communities have a chit-chat nature
14:20:10LloreanI think I'm a bit overly harsh, honestly, when it comes to people clearly ignoring the POSTING IN THIS FORUM bit.
14:21:06LinusNbut the rockbox forum is more of a support channel than a community
14:21:51LinusNso people get a little surprised when they are moderated
14:21:56LloreanI think how "community" it is also sorta varies from subforum to subforum.
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14:22:21LinusNwe even call them the Rockbox Community Forums :-)
14:22:28LloreanWPS and General, are a lot looser.
14:23:06LloreanAnd I honestly don't care at all about the contents of threads in Unsupported Builds as long as the first post and topic follow the guidelines. I'll come in and clean up if an OP requests it, but that's about it.
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14:23:28LinusNalso, if you are new to this forum thing, you don't know that you are supposed to read the stickies
14:23:35LloreanThat is true.
14:24:25LinusNthen we can go on and whine about the kids today, and how they are used to being spoon-fed
14:24:47LloreanI'll try to come across less harshly then.
14:24:54LinusNwhich is absolutely true if you ask me :-)
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14:25:36LloreanI wish there were some way to prevent click-through on the "I agree" part of the signup though.
14:25:53LloreanBut a timer just means they walk away for 15 seconds, not actually read it.
14:26:32LinusNand i also think that the user is too eager to start posting when he/she signs up
14:26:42LloreanThat's often the case.
14:26:49LloreanThere are a lot of panicky "I broke my player" posts.
14:26:59LinusNi think you start by reading/searching the forum and then decide to post
14:27:00LloreanBut then I've tried to be nice to those, because I know they're in a bit of a fragile state.
14:27:18Stalwartipods are unbreakable
14:27:29LinusNand it's more often "Rockbox broke my player" :-)
14:27:37LloreanStalwart: Yes, but it's hard to convince people of that.
14:27:52LloreanI don't know how many times I've had to repeat to someone "No, menu+select WILL work, try it again" about 4 or 5 times.
14:27:58Stalwarti broke my nano several times, but itunes always resurrected it for new rockbox builds ;)
14:28:09FebsI can tell you honestly that I will never have any patience for someone who posts "What's the status of this?" directly under a post that says "please do not post just to ask about the status."
14:28:15stridI just formatted my near-bricked ipod
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14:28:20stridit's still in disk mode
14:28:27HadakaI skimmed the wiki but couldn't find a current answer - any work done on 2nd gen ipod nanos? working on it or not going to happen?
14:28:29stridI wonder if it'll turn full-fleded brick when I disconnect it
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14:28:41Stalwartstrid: easiest way is to allow itunes to resurrect it
14:28:45LloreanHadaka: Nobody is working on it right now, but that doesn't meant it won't happen, just that nobody's doing it.
14:29:02stridStalwart: is there a way that doesn't involve installing itunes+quicktime?
14:29:05HadakaLlorean: okay, so no showstoppers in sight?
14:29:09LloreanFebs: That's actually what set off our friendly Kansas guy who dodged the ban.
14:29:18Stalwartstrid: install rockbox properly? or ipodlinux
14:29:28LloreanHadaka: Plenty of large hurdles. New hardware, firmware is encrypted, etc.
14:29:37HadakaLlorean: nods
14:29:44stridStalwart: what
14:29:59LloreanLinusN: I think that despite our forums strictness though, overall we have a pretty strong image for supporting the software.
14:30:16LinusNi believe so too
14:30:38Stalwartstrid: i deleted entire second ipod partition and it survived
14:30:55Stalwarti just allowed itunes to restore it, then installed rockbox again
14:31:22Lloreanstrid: You can't brick an iPod just by changing the contents of the disk (unless that change happens to include putting a program that will overwrite flash into position to be loaded by the bootloader)
14:31:44stridI'm pretty tempted
14:31:57Mikachuor overwrite the bootloader with a program that takes said action
14:32:18LloreanMikachu: Well, I was referring to the in-flash bootloader in that case.
14:32:34Mikachui withdraw my statement
14:32:47LloreanWell, I was a bit vague.
14:33:16StalwartMikachu? you're using rockbox? :D
14:33:43Mikachuyes, do i know you? ;)
14:34:38StalwartMikachu: i was chatting on #openbox some time ago
14:34:48LloreanLinusN: We could always put up a Community forum, actually. For people to announce Rockbox-related sites, share general news they feel might be of interest to Rockbox users, or just chit-chat without the fear of moderation?
14:35:08StalwartMikachu: what player do you have/
14:35:17*Stalwart too
14:35:21LinusNLlorean: could be a good idea
14:35:29Stalwartdid you manage to install ipodlinux on it?
14:35:40Mikachui did once, but i don't have it installed now
14:36:13Stalwartdoes battery last longer on ipl or on rockbox?
14:36:26Mikachuno idea, i've only run out once or twice
14:36:44LloreanLinusN: With the rules being mostly "Nothing illegal" "Try to keep it related to Rockbox, or things that would be of interest to Rockbox users" and that vein?
14:37:10Stalwarti like the idea of having full-featured system behind fancy gui ;)
14:37:11LinusNLlorean: yes
14:37:45LloreanLinusN: Shall I go ahead 'n pop one up then?
14:38:43LinusNi dunno, what would be the practical difference from the General forum?
14:38:53LloreanThe General is still specifically on-topic to Rockbox.
14:39:16LloreanIt'd be Rockbox related questions that don't fit one of the others, such as questions about the website, etc.
14:39:20LloreanAt least, ideally
14:39:51LloreanA Community/Social could include something like discussion of IpodLinux. Even though that's off-topic for Rockbox, it's something of an interest to the community, since it is an alternative.
14:40:33LloreanWhile it vaguely relates to Rockbox (ie, what do Rockbox users think of it?) it's not really a valid topic in any of our other forums.
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14:41:23LloreanIt'd almost, but not quite, be an off-topic board.
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14:44:57LinusNthe question is: do we want such a forum? we would still have to moderate it
14:46:05LinusNlet us think about it for a few days before creating it
14:46:06LloreanAnother option is to change the forum name from "Rockbox Community Forums" to "Rockbox Technical Forums" to give a better feel for what it is
14:46:14LinusNor even Support Forums
14:46:22preglowjhMikeS: you're a code wizard
14:46:34LloreanI thought about support first, but then there's also development talk, WPS discussion, etc.
14:46:53LinusNah yes
14:47:05LloreanMaybe there's a word that encompasses both, but Technical's the best I've got right now.
14:47:22LinusNbetter than community at least
14:47:39preglowjhMikeS: i'd really like to hear the sound quality, btw
14:47:46Mikachuyou could write "rockbox word 1 and word 2 forums"
14:47:54LloreanMikachu: You could.
14:48:37LloreanI think "Technical" though sounds friendlier than "Development and Support" though, honestly. Or at least, less awkward.
14:48:47LloreanBut the name hardly has to change immediately either.
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14:49:52LinusNpreglow: what did jhMikeS do?
14:50:06preglowmake a blit synth
14:50:07stridnew and exciting ipod crashes!
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14:50:12preglowa way of generating alias free waveforms
14:50:14stridintense voided warranties!
14:50:17preglowlike sawtooth, square, triangle, etc
14:50:23striduseful paperweights within!
14:51:01LinusNpreglow: where?
14:51:11stridwhere can I buy ipod hdds?
14:51:15preglowLinusN: dunno, i just read in the logs that he'd made one
14:51:26Lloreanstrid: Which model iPod?
14:51:33jhMikeSpreglow: it's completely clean
14:51:49Lloreanstrid: What capacity?
14:52:09strid(other than ebay=
14:52:12preglowjhMikeS: samples? :>
14:53:02jhMikeSSure, I've got a sample. I was having it dump the output to a file. Where can I upload it? I don't have a place.
14:53:19Lloreanstrid: You just need to search for the MK3008GAL
14:53:49markunthank you Malcolm Tyrrell for this nice Mazezam game!
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14:53:54preglowjhMikeS: no idea, dcc?
14:54:18jhMikeSI think my firewall isn't set up properly but maybe that's only for receive. I'll try.
14:56:00preglowdoesn't look good
14:56:49preglowno hurry anyway
14:56:50jhMikeShaven't tried it yet. ok, I'm stupid out this stuff. is there a command for it?
14:57:17preglowhmm, haven't done it in ages myself
14:57:23preglow/dcc send nick file ?
14:57:34markunpreglow: greetings from Paris :)
14:57:40preglowmarkun: haha, hiya
14:57:44preglowmarkun: how's things?
14:57:56goffamarkun: you're alive ;)
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14:58:27markungoffa: yes, still :)
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14:58:50stridLlorean: thanks
14:58:52markunI'm staying in a very small appartment with some marocan guys I met in an internet cafe
14:59:04markunI hope to find something for myself soon
14:59:24markunpreglow: and it's so nice I could take my gigabeat with me
14:59:53Lloreanmarkun: (And other gigabeat guys that I don't know the names of) this may be of interest:;topicseen#msg62888
14:59:54jhMikeSpreglow: did that come through? it seems to have accepted the command.
15:00:37striduh oh
15:00:37markunI read there was a feature request to NOT support SAT encrypted files? :)
15:00:40preglowjhMikeS: did indeed
15:00:42stridtoo hung over to find the themes site
15:00:52stridblack glass thing where are you
15:01:08markunLlorean: ah yes, we didn't fix that yet
15:01:10LinusNdoes anybody know what the issue is with the voice files and recording that is discussed in the mailing list?
15:01:16markunAsk sloth to do it :)
15:01:16preglowjhMikeS: hmm, it doesn't send, though
15:01:29jhMikeSI'll try again with firewall DMZ
15:01:55Mikachuif you're using irssi you can try /dcc -passive ...
15:02:10linuxstbOr just upload the file to somewhere like
15:02:27preglowit's really not that critical, i can wait :>
15:02:27pixelmaor send an email?
15:02:42markunpreglow: a good thing is that the guy in the internet cafe let me install putty and update rockbox
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15:06:12mastaYodaOn which platforms and with which toolchains is rockbox known to be buildable?
15:06:14jhMikeSpreglow: no luck ?
15:06:44preglowjhMikeS: nah, your irc software seems to be giving me your lan ip
15:06:48stridwhich video formats does rockbox support for the 5g ipod?
15:06:48preglowjhMikeS: but nevermind this
15:06:49preglowi can wait
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15:06:56LloreanmastaYoda: We have explicit instructions for setting up the toolchains necessary, as well as a VMWare image if you just feel like a one-shot download, and a shell script if you want it automated for you on a *nix
15:07:34Lloreanstrid: Same as it supports for all the other color platforms: MPEG1 or MPEG2 with MP3 audio at 44.1khz
15:07:36linuxstbmastaYoda: Rockbox requires the standard GNU (gcc/binutils) toolchain and a posix-like environment (i.e. Cygwin or anything Unix-like).
15:07:45mastaYodaLlorean: OK, because I've set up a m68k-cross-compiler toolchain using gentoo linux
15:08:08linuxstbmastaYoda: Did you follow the Rockbox instructions, or use a Gentoo package?
15:08:08mastaYodaI had to hack the makefile a bit but now it fails with assembler error (undefined references)
15:08:15mastaYodaMaybe the problem is my 64bit platform?
15:08:16jhMikeSpreglow: ok, there's public upload sites
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15:08:48LinusNmastaYoda: if you had to hack the makefile, you are doing thinks wrong
15:08:56LloreanmastaYoda: Several of our build servers are 64-bit.
15:08:57LinusNthings even
15:08:58mastaYodalinuxstb: I've used crossdev, which is a tool to easily build cross-compile toolchains
15:09:07mastaYodaLlorean: ok, good
15:09:20mastaYodaLinusN: Was just a replacement of the compiler and linker names
15:09:23linuxstbmastaYoda: That's the problem. Follow our instructions.
15:09:32LloreanmastaYoda: You'd probably have been better off using the shell script, or the CrossCompiler wiki page instructions.
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15:12:17mastaYoda"GCC 4.1.0 is not able to build Rockbox correctly (it currently fails on some inline assembly and with the Tremor codec). You may also experience problems during the 4.1.0 cross compiler build; if so using the option "−−enable-libssp=no" during configure should help."
15:12:21mastaYodaAh, that's my problem.
15:12:32preglowehrm, i don't think that's quite true anymore
15:12:43mastaYoda/home/lars/Privat/rockbox/rockbox/librockbox.a(system-coldfire.o): In function `CDROMNEWBLK':
15:12:43mastaYodasystem-coldfire.c:(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `system_display_exception_info'
15:12:43mastaYodacollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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15:13:17preglowand that just looks like something completely different
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15:14:41*Stalwart installed rockbox again
15:14:51Stalwartlet's see how things improved since summer ;)
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15:26:48mastaYodaLlorean, linuxstb: thanks for your remarks. I guess I've found my mistake now.
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15:27:34mastaYodaI'd like to mention that I really like rockbox. I've used it since yesterday for my iAudio X5 and it is just amazingly cool. Much better than the original firmware
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15:28:59*Llorean wishes abuse contact points at ISPs were a bit more proactive.
15:31:25jhMikeSpreglow: Should work now.
15:32:18GodEaterWebLlorean: any particular reason ?
15:32:31jhMikeSjust have to type in the number at the bottom of the page and hit submit I guess
15:32:39jhMikeSworked for me
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15:34:08LloreanGodEaterWeb: Bit of a problem user in the forums, is all.
15:34:38LloreanAnd irritation about form letter responses that say "You didn't provide enough information" and then go on to list about 40 possibilities of what you could've been lacking, none really relevant to the situation you addressed.
15:36:39preglowjhMikeS: hmm, highest freq sounds a bit off
15:37:21preglowwaveform does look good, though
15:37:24preglowmaybe my ears are off
15:37:56preglowjhMikeS: btw, you don't really need to reset the integrator for each freq change
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15:39:34jhMikeSI didn't reset it. it's just that it's switching and has the last value remaining. No real refinement yet
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15:40:15markunperldiver: do you still have your '"phasing" around 4000Hz band' problem?
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15:41:41jhMikeSI'll add better DC filtering. It's just a leaky integrator right now with a coeficient of .999.
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15:41:56preglowjhMikeS: and how are you going to improve on that?
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15:44:46jhMikeSWell, time constant coeficient for one, not sample contant. An actual full DC filter at the output. Cancel the initial integrator offset upon switching. Suppose I'll think of other stuff. :)
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15:46:10jhMikeSOf couse the thing that slows it up a lot is calling that fsincos function twice per sample.
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15:48:04preglowyeah, but blits need a really accurate sin function
15:48:15preglowso there's no real way to get rid of that, short of optimising that function
15:49:03preglowbut yeah, good luck on the dc removal, it's not easy :>
15:49:06jhMikeSWell, I can cut the the number of vector rotation loops down and settle for less precision.
15:49:17preglowless precision isn't really an option, like i said, heh
15:49:24preglowbut feel free to try
15:49:27preglowi've gotta brb
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15:50:28jhMikeSI'll experiment and see what I can get away with and keep the audio clean.
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15:52:34jhMikeSI can improve S/N by adjusting for quant error. Will try to remove as much 64 bit math as possible. It's so messy right now I wouldn't even want to show anyone the code :)
15:53:23caasif i want to restore my ipod firmware, should i run "dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sdc1", where /dev/sdc is my ipod?
15:53:57Mikachuthat should work
15:54:23caasok, i'll try that then
15:56:44x1jmpjhMikeS: can you tell me what kind of data the pcm_record_data writes to its *start pointer?
15:57:46jhMikeSx1jmp: samples from the DAC in native format
15:57:50jhMikeSADC rather
15:58:39x1jmphow can I find out what the native format is? Are there some defines?
16:00:13jhMikeSx1jmp: no. it's just whatever the DMA dumps into it. 16bit L-R pairs in native endian format.
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16:01:47jhMikeSSee wav_enc.c or aiff_enc.c for details since they're very simle. Basically it just concerns itself with ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN or ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN.
16:02:39amiconnpreglow: gcc 4.1.x doesn't work for m68k targets
16:02:50x1jmpis size parameter the size in bytes or just in samples?
16:03:27amiconngcc 4.1.x doesn't know the 5249, but passes the -m option used for compilation to to gas - non-overridable
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16:04:19jhMikeSx1jmp: size in bytes
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16:04:38amiconnAnd the 5206e lacks some registers the 5249 has, so some assembler files fail, e.g. those using %mbar2
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16:06:30*jhMikeS wishes the players' CPUs had bitrev and byterev for the codecs but who needs that in a DAP? :P
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16:07:22x1jmpand what's the use of the return value of that pcm_more_callback_type2 function?
16:08:11jhMikeSx1jmp: the return value tells it to continue transferring data or halt
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16:11:28jhMikeSI'd like to have the playback with the option to start a new tranfer before leaving the interrupt routine just like recording can and the "type2" thing can go away since they'll be the same but that's more work since playback is more widely used.
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16:12:51x1jmpnow I'm confused...
16:13:26x1jmpI thought pcm_record_data should read size bytes and then call the callback to tell it's done
16:14:24jhMikeSx1jmp: It does exactly that. But you can call pcm_record_more and start the read to your next buffer before leaving the ISR
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16:16:34jhMikeSyou can then process the the last data and record in parallel.
16:18:04jhMikeSit was done that way to make really low-latency simultaneous record-process-playback stuff doable.
16:18:49x1jmpyes, I would have done that by calling pcm_record_again and the processing the data, but pcm_record_again needs a callback function that returns and int and there's pcm_record_more to do the same?
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16:20:56x1jmpthe callback function tells whether to read data again, but that could be done using pcm_record_more
16:22:46jhMikeSthe callback calls pcm_record_more to start the next transfer of data. see pcm_record.c starting at line 244 to see how it's used.
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16:26:02x1jmpok, when I mentioned a callback I was talking about the pcm_more_callback_type2 which you have to provide pcm_record_data in a plugin
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16:29:46jhMikeSx1jmp: umm, but pcm_record_more doesn't need a callback function. the callback passed to pcm_record_data is used again.
16:30:20*jhMikeS is confused
16:31:54x1jmpand what does the callback function have to return? It calls pcm_record_more to record more, but also has to return an int
16:32:33jhMikeSx1jmp: even if you call pcm_record_more to start a new transfer and don't return from the callback immediately, returning < 0 from the callback will abort the transfer.
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16:34:22x1jmpjhMikeS: hm, I thought that should be done with pcm_stop_recording
16:34:46jhMikeSnot from the ISR. from elsewhere sure
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16:36:34jhMikeSx1jmp: did you look at pcm_rec_have_more in pcm_record.c? It checks the status and if it can't continue, it returns -1 otherwise calls pcm_record_more and returns 0.
16:39:54x1jmpwhere would the data get written? If pcm_record_more wasn't called ther's no buffer left...
16:41:25x1jmpbtw is pcm_more_callback_type2 called after a chunk is written or after size bytes are written?
16:43:01jhMikeSx1jmp: there's small hardware FIFOs that hold samples. On Coldfire it's set to hold 6. That code will be executed and return in time to put them in the buffer specified to pcm_record_more
16:43:13jhMikeSit's call after a chunk is written
16:44:31jhMikeSthe interrupts occur when size bytes have been transferred to the buffer
16:45:45jhMikeSwell, I guess on PortalPlayer they occur more often but your callback won't be called until all data is ready
16:45:58x1jmpisn't pcm_more_callback_type2 the interrupt in that case?
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16:47:09jhMikeSno, the interrupt handler is DMA1 in pcm-coldfire.c (or other target specific pcm-*.c that exists).
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16:48:28x1jmpwell, thanks for your help
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16:52:08LloreanOooh, Seagate's shipping a single-platter 1.8" 60gb drive, apparently
16:53:40perl|workhow nice of them
16:53:59perl|workany idea on the price?
16:54:33LloreanNo clue
16:54:33tchanDoes anyone have a player recommendation if I'm looking to buy an older unit for rockbox usage ? Ipod 40Gig monochrome can be had for $129US or Toshiba Gigabeat F40S for $180.
16:54:39LloreanApparently they just announced it at CES
16:55:09Lloreantchan: iRiver iHP-140. If you're willing to consider a mono player, it pretty much knocks the socks off other supported targets.
16:55:09pixelmaBagder: shouldn't the porter of the japanese font be added to CREDITS?
16:55:27LinusNtchan: iriver h1xx series is still one of the best rockbox targets imho
16:56:54linuxstbAnyone have any suggestions for a potential swcodec target with a 2.5" disk? How about one of the Archos devices supported by archopen?
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17:05:53Lloreanlinuxstb: I wouldn't mind seeing Rockbox on any larger device.
17:06:16LloreanI'm kinda a fan of electronics with mass anyway. And with Archopen you've got a starting point
17:06:37tchanchecking for iRiver h140 −− it doesn't seem available anywhere except maybe on ebay.
17:06:55LloreanOooh, good news, apparently the police don't think the 60 dead birds discovered this morning in the middle of the street aren't bird flu.
17:06:57*Llorean sighs.
17:07:28Lloreantchan: It's hard to come by, but it's one of the best in terms of audio features, and outside of the archoses is pretty much the best supported of current players.
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17:08:13tchanLlorean: the review of h140 don't mention that it's a mono player. Doesn't it play in stereo ?
17:08:31FebsIt's a monochrome display.
17:08:38tchanah, thanks.
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17:19:22Bagderhopefully we start svn transition in 5-6 hours
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17:24:21hcsooh, will there be a ball dropping in Times Square?
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17:25:53linuxstbAnyone volunteering to write a "UsingSVN" page?
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17:28:27perl|workthere was a really bright idea last night to hire an engineer and have rockbox product line
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17:30:53Bagderthe plan is to keep cvs around for reading
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17:31:28Bagderso "cvs diff | (cd svn-checkout; patch -p0)"
17:32:16linuxstbWill usernames/passwords be migrated?
17:32:26Bagderusernames yes, passwords no
17:32:35BagderI think
17:33:02Bagderwe'll see ;-)
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17:33:31linuxstbIs SVN the same as CVS regarding anonymous checkouts? i.e. you can't commit from an anonymous checkout?
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17:35:50RedZZRperl: It would be good based on the Gigabeat - maybe buy up the old design from Toshiba... :)
17:37:20amiconnBagder: Isn't today SVN move day?
17:37:50perl|workRedZZR im sure thats the last thing they're going to sell
17:38:28RedZZRuhm... well they have moved on to the Zune... maybe we should look in their trash... :)
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17:39:02perl|workthey didnt really move, just doing some orders. they're constantly updating the gigabeat line
17:39:10perl|workcheck the japanese gigabeat site
17:39:22linuxstbamiconn: 17.19.22 # <Bagder> hopefully we start svn transition in 5-6 hours
17:39:36perl|workwhat is frustrating, they let great design ideas just die
17:39:40amiconnwhoops, didn't see that
17:40:18RedZZRYep, its hard to buy a Gigabeat F now in the UK and I've never seen the X ones at all...
17:40:43perl|workno support, no updates, no accessories, no nothing
17:40:47perl|workthey just die out
17:40:49goffayeah.. x is damn near impossible to find
17:41:22perl|workand X is one of the best mp3 players ever made in my opinion
17:41:23goffaf series is still obtainable via ebay
17:41:44RedZZRReal pity - now Rockbox is working on it... it was pretty dire on its original software / firmware... really crippled a decent device...
17:41:51goffai like my iaudio x5l but they need to make one with a 60gb hd or so
17:41:56perl|workwith rockbox on it, that is
17:41:56goffaat least 40 :)
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17:43:48amiconngoffa: The x5 is available as 60GB model
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17:45:19perl|workgoffa how do you cope with that joystick and side phone jack?
17:45:40Slasherihmm.. almost ready to commit that improved h100 bootloader. Now it also says battery voltage during bootloader usb mode
17:45:51Slasheriand lot of other fixes and features
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17:51:33goffaamiconn: but not with long battery :)
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17:53:53goffaperl|work: i don't mind it a bit
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17:54:09goffajoystick isn't a whole lot different than the pad actually
17:54:21goffaside headphone jack isn't a big deal either
17:54:29goffasubpack is a little more of a concern
17:56:25perl|worki was always wondering how people are carrying it in their pockets
17:56:39perl|workif they do that is
17:56:40goffayou don't use the subpack when you cary it
17:57:00perl|workyeah but with side jack and all
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18:13:32goffastill not a prob with the side jack.. i dunno
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18:13:45goffai cary it in my pocket all the time
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18:27:11twochewSlasheri, is the new bootloader up yet :)
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18:37:49fasmaiegoffa, is it heavy enough to be unwieldy?
18:38:26goffanot that much difference between it and h140
18:38:50goffaactually gigabeat is lightest
18:40:22goffahoping that new gigabeat comes in today
18:40:48goffathen i should know tomorrow which player my friend wants
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18:41:16fasmaieJust so I know....about how much would you want for it?
18:41:21goffakind of sounding like she'll take the x5...
18:41:50goffaI'd take $115 plus whatever shipping is
18:42:03goffait'd come preloaded with rockbox (mostly because of laziness :)
18:42:11fasmaieBetter and better
18:42:46goffaand let you nuke the tunes (dunno what kind of music you like).. but there's about 30 gb on there
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18:44:06perl|workgoffa is that f40 you're selling?
18:44:15goffaperl|work: yes.. if my friend doesn't take it
18:44:20perl|worknice price
18:44:22Slasheritwochew: not yet but i am planning to commit the patch soon and update the iriver flashing page
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18:45:05perl|workbut you mentioned its a "she"
18:45:17perl|worksuprising she prefers x5
18:45:38goffashe's got kids.. wants the most durable one
18:45:56fasmaieDidn't you say you had an iRiver too?
18:45:58perl|workoh good point then
18:46:13goffatrouble call
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18:47:34dewdude_yeah, goffa's got like, everything
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18:48:58fasmaieMy wife would kill me if I went around buying so many players
18:49:00perl|worki just want x30, id get rid od anything else i have
18:49:36fasmaieThey're still on the expensive side
18:49:59perl|workthe prices will never go down now
18:50:18dewdude_heh, i bought my first one back in december...after saying for years i'd never get a disk based player, espically the one i would up getting
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18:51:36goffayeah... don't have to worry about a wife :)
18:51:41goffayet anyway
18:51:50fasmaieha ha
18:52:31dewdude_i have a feeling if i ever step foot in wisconsin i'll be sacked and wake up married
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18:53:06dewdude_which is why i avoid that portion of the US
18:53:09fasmaieMy wife is not bad...she does frown on my tech purchases, though
18:53:21goffayeah... women here are like parking spaces
18:53:34goffagood ones are taken, the rest are ... handicapped
18:54:00fasmaie:) yup
18:54:06goffalol... true... unfortunately
18:54:12perl|workgoffa where's that
18:55:00dewdude_yeah, actually...i'd marry a heartbeat. i still miss her..and i'd still get to buy all the tech stuff
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18:55:09goffalike i don't think there are any single women within a 50 mile radius that don't have kids
18:55:37dewdude_and that counts as a handicap?
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18:55:50dewdude_....that is true
18:56:16goffawell... i don't want to step in and be "dad" to some kid they have enough shit to deal with
18:56:35fasmaieThere are worse things iPods
18:57:04goffatrue.. lol... but having kids tends to take your fun tickets away
18:57:18goffaas does being married
18:57:29fasmaieYup, I have one....lots of sacrifices, but she's fun anyway
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18:57:37perl|workgoffa what's that scary area you're talking about
18:57:39goffanot saying its not worth it
18:57:48goffanorth eastern montana
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18:58:16goffapeople tend to graduate high school and move
18:58:32goffaeither that or they're over 40
18:58:57goffai'm in the upper 20's.. pushing 30
18:59:05dewdude_fasmaie, i have an ipod.
18:59:21dewdude_don't diss them..once rockbox runs properly, it'll be a nice piece of hardware
18:59:51fasmaieYeah, probably
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18:59:53goffahe he he.. time to head to lunch.. maybe i'll have a package sitting at home..
19:00:07fasmaieDo you see the battery issue being taken care of soon, though
19:00:17twochewthanks Slasheri
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19:00:30dewdude_there's alot of stuff that needs to be done before worrying about battery
19:01:00dewdude_i'm predicting 6 to 8 months before any real major major improvement is noted.
19:01:02fasmaieI have RB on my old 4th gen iPod.
19:01:09fasmaieIt seems to be mostly fine
19:01:19dewdude_i've got a video
19:01:27perl|workdewdude_ are you talking about the g5?
19:01:28dewdude_5.5 gen...mp3 playback makes the GUI lag when using EQ
19:01:35fasmaieYes, I bought one of those for the wife
19:01:56fasmaieI've been tempted to take that back
19:02:05fasmaieBut I like being married
19:02:05perl|workdewdude_ can you name some other issues with rockbox on it?
19:02:29dewdude_i could go play with it a bit
19:02:37fasmaieNew bootloader does not allow Apple firmware booting on the 4th gen
19:02:39dewdude_i figured out what worked right now, and go with that
19:02:42perl|workwell the most obvious ones
19:02:47dewdude_codec speed
19:03:04dewdude_the bass and treble controls shouldn't even be on the menu
19:03:14dewdude_the EQ isn't that great.
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19:03:31fasmaiedewdude_: why not (bass and trebel)?
19:03:42dewdude_all they do on my 5g is raise the volume
19:03:47dewdude_they don't actually do anything to the bass.
19:03:51dewdude_or the trebl
19:03:56dewdude_it just gets loud and distorted
19:04:07fasmaieThey do work on the 4th gen
19:04:18dewdude_i haven't tried lately
19:04:21fasmaieAs far as I can tell
19:04:30dewdude_all i know is i spent 3 hours tweaking the software EQ
19:04:36perl|work5g has a cheaper amp
19:04:50fasmaieYes, I heard that
19:05:15fasmaieCertainly my 4th gen sounds better (vanilla) than my wife's 5th gen
19:05:36fasmaieEven on good phones
19:05:37perl|workwell my wife uses the 5g, i never really touch it but she was fascinated with rockbox on my gigabeats
19:05:41dewdude_i got mine sounding not bad with my Shures
19:06:03dewdude_i can't power my Sennheisers that well with it. plus i have to completely readjust the EQ.
19:07:26dewdude_but, the main issue i had with it was the codec speed...and that's when i decided screw it all and convert everything to musepack.
19:07:57tchanI just tried compiling up the UI Simulator and it mostly seems to work (I chose iPod4G), but is there some way to get out of the Info-Rockbox Info screen ? It seems locked up and I just have to close the SDL window.
19:08:35dewdude_heh, i should of used the UI Sim when i modified my WPS...i just kept editing in text and booting the thing
19:08:48dewdude_but, you should be able to
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19:08:56tchanseems to be a bug here...
19:09:17fasmaieI just can't listen to classical music compressed
19:09:23dewdude_left takes me out
19:09:33dewdude_fasmaie, you jsut haven't heard the right format
19:09:40fasmaieAlso since the ipod is a 20Gb, I don't have enough space for the larger files
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19:09:50dewdude_fasmaie, try musepack.
19:10:04DogBoymaybe fasmaie has better ears
19:10:13fasmaieHow about file size dewdude_
19:10:16DogBoybut I like classical on musepack too
19:10:31dewdude_fasmaie, depends on your encoding profile. it's a purely VBR format
19:10:33DogBoyfile size is good
19:10:33tchandewdude_: thanks, left works for me too. Non-intuitive. :)
19:11:05dewdude_sometimes you jsut gotta keep pressing buttons
19:11:19fasmaieDogBoy: I will admit to being somewhat uncompromising when listening to classical
19:11:40dewdude_classical is the easiest to pick out of a compressed lineup too
19:11:49dewdude_there's a lot of transients that are difficult to handle
19:11:52DogBoyfasmaie: me too, that's why it's flac or musepack
19:11:58dewdude_plus classical is MASTERED properly
19:11:58DogBoyI usually can't tell the difference
19:12:09fasmaieI'll give it a shot
19:12:25fasmaieGenerally, I have some old recordings though
19:12:34dewdude_how old?
19:12:40dewdude_like, first gen CD?
19:12:55fasmaieI have Rachmaninoff playing his own compositions
19:12:57dewdude_early 80's first-gen DDD stuff is...ugh.
19:13:11dewdude_ok, i don't know classical
19:13:13dewdude_that tells me nothing
19:13:17goffawell.. home
19:13:53goffaups man is on other side of town... should be here fairly soon (hopefully he stops)
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19:14:07dewdude_ooh...those ARE old
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19:14:26dewdude_are they professional/commercial releases
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19:14:36fasmaieYup from the 40's
19:14:47fasmaieThey are professional recordings
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19:15:14fasmaieI had to have it, as he was considered the best pianist
19:15:25dewdude_i got someone begging me to take some old 78's and do them t CD.
19:15:34fasmaieHave newer ones of the same compositions too
19:15:58fasmaieThere are a few LP's I will someday convert
19:16:05fasmaieNot 78's though
19:16:22dewdude_$75/lp full restortation
19:16:27fasmaieCan't get some of this stuff on CD
19:16:35fasmaieYes, I know there are places online
19:16:37fasmaiethat do it
19:16:52dewdude_yes, i do too.
19:17:00fasmaieOh cool
19:17:00dewdude_i constantly have to try to undercut thier prices
19:17:13dewdude_only, i don't charge extra for 96/24 processing
19:17:17dewdude_i do everything in 96/24
19:17:37fasmaieGreat, now I only have to get my parents to ship me the LPs
19:18:58dewdude_i've been on break from the vinyl stuff tho....i did so much of it first half of last year i got burnt out
19:19:23fasmaieWell, there are only a couple of albums U want
19:19:41dewdude_if you want samples, i can get them to you.
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19:21:29fasmaieSure, but my parents (and the LPs) are in asia.....assuming my mother hasn't 'settled' my stuff
19:21:45dewdude_haha. i plan on being in business a while
19:28:26fasmaiedewdude_: how do you want to get me the samples?
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19:29:46Terinjokeshello courtc!
19:30:52goffalol.. ups truck is sitting across the street mocking me.. i'll bet the driver went to eat lunch next door
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19:34:10dewdude_i don't know, i plan on getting hosting soon.
19:34:49fasmaieOK, I'l be around
19:34:49goffaplayer showed
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19:40:12amiconnSlasheri: RED!
19:40:13goffawow.. came with about 30gb of tunes
19:40:22goffa.sat's though
19:41:18fasmaieThis is the 60GB, right?
19:41:42kcleongI'm having problems with my Ipod Nano (1th gen).
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19:41:59fasmaieWhat kind of problems?
19:43:08kcleongWhen I disconnect the USB cable without umounting the ipod, the original firmware loads. I know I must umount it, but it can happen occasionally. I must delete the rockbox bootlader and add it again.
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19:43:53softi_42kcleong, did you try a reset
19:44:05fasmaieYup try a reset
19:44:09softi_42for me reset was sufficient after that problem
19:44:24fasmaieWhy are you disconnecting before unmounting anyway?
19:44:41kcleongokay , I can reset it in the rockbox part?
19:44:51fasmaieShould work
19:45:08fasmaieIf the files are not corrupted due to the bad disconnect
19:45:10softi_42after reset it will normaly boot rockbox
19:45:46kcleongWhen I charge the ipod, sometimes I'm pulling out the cable without umounting...
19:46:27fasmaieNah, you should try and unmount properly even then, though no data corruption should occur
19:46:38kcleongokay, that's clear
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19:48:17goffahmm... attempting to copy 30gb of tunes in 15 mins... something tells me this ain't gonna happen :)
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19:48:33fasmaieNope...lunch over then?
19:48:43softi_422 GB /min bot bad ;)
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19:48:52goffayeah... i'll just end up bringing the h140 to work
19:49:27goffaso.. .sat's .. just drm'd mp3?
19:50:24goffaoh.. and btw.. you dont need windows to put rockbox on gigabeat
19:50:28goffajust don't use the cradle
19:50:29kcleongThe reset works, thanks.
19:50:40fasmaiekcleong: good
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19:55:20Slasheriamiconn: sorry, it seems that patch can't be committed in portions.. will be fixed soon :)
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19:55:53goffawhat the... i had some wma's .. lol
19:56:29*amiconn wonders whether we'll ever see a working wma codec
19:57:04amiconnspeex is another long-term promise
19:57:16goffawell marsdaddy came close
19:57:21goffabut his house burnt down
19:57:33goffadunno if that patch works or not
19:57:33goffashould try it just for s&g's
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19:58:09goffawell..back to the ol' grind..
19:58:19fasmaieHave fun
19:58:42perl|workgoffa sat's are not "drm'ed" mp3s
19:58:51perl|workits just a software wrapper
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20:00:05perl|workyou can "save" them by copying them back to pc in windows media mode using the cradle
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20:04:36goffaperl|work: can you just rename them?
20:04:44goffaoh ok
20:05:00goffadidn't red your 2nd message
20:05:22goffai'll have to do that.. guy had a lot of tunes on there
20:05:31goffalooked to have similar taste in music
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20:06:08perl|workhaha amusing
20:06:25perl|workbut yeah theres no easy way around it and, wait for it...
20:06:38perl|workit will let you do it only in usb 1.0 speeds
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20:10:36perl|workgoffa they crippled it good
20:10:54goffayeah... gotta wonder the rationale behind that
20:10:56goffabut whatever
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20:12:55Slasheriamiconn: hmm.. i wonder what has gone wrong with the :/
20:14:26Slasheriit seems archos needs stack in DRAM
20:15:48amiconnYes, sure
20:16:02amiconnThe main stack alone is twice as large as the whole SH1 IRAM
20:16:43amiconnI thought you tested this some time ago?
20:17:15Slasheriyes, i did some test.. but somehow i didn't spot that problem
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20:18:27Slasheriok, now it seems to compile fine
20:20:26Slasherimaybe i will commit rest of the stuff (updated iriver_flash -plugin, bootloader etc.) tomorrow
20:22:34amiconnJust a minor thing: The check should check for > 0x2000 because that's the size of the main stack
20:23:32amiconn(but it should work as it is now, because we don't have a target with an iram size close to this limit)
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20:29:11fasmaiegoffa: If you don't mind me asking, how much did you shell out for the X60?
20:29:34perl|workits F60
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20:30:28fasmaieOh, I thought he got the X series
20:30:28perl|workif he was getting an X60 id stop talking to him :P
20:31:31*amiconn is slightly puzzled
20:31:55amiconnSlasheri: Somehow archos binary size decreased slightly with your commits, but I can't see how...
20:32:25Slasherihehe, but that sounds good then :D
20:32:42amiconnDepends... if it's a missing section then it's bad
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20:35:17goffafasmaie: $165
20:35:31goffaand F60 is right
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20:36:16goffaf60 and f40 are identical form factor too btw... but 40 is lighter
20:36:31goffaone less platter probably
20:37:10fasmaieOverall, the H140 is smaller, though?
20:37:30goffanot talking h140
20:37:37pixelmado the rockboxable Gigabeats have a built-in radio?
20:37:44amiconnHmm, having the cvs .map files accessible would be really handy now :/
20:38:01goffah140 is thicker but not as wide
20:38:22pixelmapity.. but thanks for answering :)
20:38:41goffayeah no recording as far as i know either
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20:39:57goffahmm.. looking outside its going to be a good night to stay indoors and play around with the gigabeat
20:40:52goffa31mph wind right now with gusts up to 50
20:41:00goffaand snowin pretty hard too
20:41:17perl|workgoffa im sure you will like the player
20:41:36goffai'm sure i will too... its just like the 40 with a bigger hd
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20:43:00Lars_GBagder: :') thanks you make me feel accepted
20:43:02goffawish there was a linux way to convert those sat files
20:43:05Lars_GEven if it was for a small small thing
20:43:52linuxstb_amiconn: Ask the person who owns the build server...
20:45:36amiconnI don't get these size differences here, but I use the very same sh-elf-gcc version as the build servers
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20:46:01Lars_GMaybe one is stripping and the other is not?
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20:47:05amiconnThe binaries are all stripped, 'cause they are plain binaries
20:47:28Lars_Gah true
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20:50:34linuxstb_Can you tell the binutils version?
20:54:49amiconnSlasheri: You moved an ALIGN(4) which might cause problems
20:55:37amiconnThe old used to align the end of the bss section before the _end / end symbol. Now this is done after the symbol, just before _audiobuffer / audiobuffer
20:55:50amiconnBut the copy loop in crt0 only handles longs...
20:56:14amiconns/copy loop/zerofill loop/
20:56:24Slashericould you put it back where it was?
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20:57:08*amiconn diff'ed the two .map files, before & after
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20:59:06amiconnSlasheri: Sorry, I confused myself
20:59:20amiconnIn fact you corrected that mistake - it was there before...
21:00:12*amiconn should not put the old file to the right of the new one :/
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21:02:58amiconnOther than having some symbols defined in both sh-elf and standard elf form (with and without leading underscore), I don't see any problems in the new .map
21:03:37tucozwonder if the empty dirs will be removed in the cvs->svn migration, or if we'll have to remove those from the svn repository
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21:04:09GodEaterooh - when's that due again ?
21:04:17tucoztoday (hopefully)
21:04:55tucozin fact, i think it's scheduled to start in the next few hours
21:04:59goffaew... let me see if i've got this straight.. from what i see.. removing the .sat encryption reencodes the mp3?
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21:06:14bluebrother^tucoz, I rotated the keys in the chip8 table. Do you think this is good or rather confusing?
21:06:25bluebrother^they won't be rotated in the html version though.
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21:06:31tucozI saw that. I think it's great
21:06:47bluebrothernice. I was looking for a way to get those fitting in one line.
21:06:49tucozi can not see how we should arrange that table otherwise
21:07:29bluebrotherme neither.
21:07:31combrainsgoffa, how do you remove the sat encryption?
21:07:54bluebrotherbtw, I did a cvs commits stats for fun. You beat me way out :)
21:08:12tucozhehe. i have commited lot's of stuff from you and nls
21:08:33bluebrotherbut it's a bit strange, cvschanglogbuilder creates a different number than
21:08:33goffacombrains: supposedly through media player according to perl|work
21:08:41tucozso i think the stats are a bit weird
21:08:49bluebrotherbut funny :)
21:08:51tucoznot weird, but misleading
21:08:52goffabut i might be removing it with rm :)
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21:09:08combrainsoh. I didn't think that there was actually a way to do it :)
21:09:11bluebrotheryou get a quite high line count, but the svg are text ...
21:09:20tucozi always say quantity over quality ;)
21:09:24perl|workcombrains not really through media player
21:09:49perl|workwhile connected with the cradle, gigabeat has 2 modes
21:09:53perl|workusb mode and windows media mode
21:10:10bluebrotheraccording to cvschangelogbuilder the manual folder now has >12000 lines of text, while it was only 6000 a year ago
21:10:26bluebrotherlooks like it evolved nicely
21:10:28tucozit's great to see the old tables being removed. I actually thought we were done with those
21:10:34combrainsah yes- and you can drag and drop via the wm mode
21:10:37perl|workin windows media mode, using cradle (and DUH 1.0 sub speed) you can transfer them back to PC stripping .sat encryption as you go
21:10:40combrainsi remember
21:11:05bluebrotherI also thought all files at least had a $Id$ header, but I found still quite a few who didn't
21:11:12combrainsso the whole system is REALLY pointless then
21:11:32bluebrotherI was thinking about automatically replacing those lines with out new header and leave the exact copyright notice to get added later
21:11:38tucozyep. i thought of the same thing a few days ago. we have a nice set of nearly "finished" manuals now, and a few on the way to be that.
21:12:14tucozgood idea. just run a script on the whole lot, and add that will probably be the easiest
21:12:23perl|workcombrains it really is
21:12:49bluebrotherone would need to proof-read all manuals and fix the remaining stuff. But I don't have the time atm to only think about such a thing
21:12:54combrainshas anyone else had shutdown probs witht the gb lately?
21:13:00*bluebrother needs to read a book about java :-/
21:13:04combrainsmine doesnt save my settings
21:13:06perl|worknever had a shutdown problem
21:13:25tucozbbl, got to get the baby to sleep
21:13:28perl|workall the time?
21:13:36perl|workor just after 1st shut down
21:13:41combrainsall the time
21:14:12combrainsthe disk used to spin up and save the settings but since sloth's DMA commits it hasn't
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21:16:12perl|workdelete everything, just put the latest build
21:16:25perl|workand do the reboot with hold switch on
21:16:53combrainsI overwrite everthing whn I unzip the CVS builds anyway
21:17:14combrainsbut I will try deleting rb and satrting fresh
21:17:18perl|workyeah but you never know what still might be there
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21:19:15perl|workgoffa are you digging the latest flicker option for side buttons? heh
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21:19:52combrainsim loving thise led's after not having them for so long
21:20:04tacoman359can i have a list of games that i can download for rockbox?
21:20:07combrainsthey are handy in the dark
21:20:35bluebrothertacoman359, see the PluginsIndex wiki page
21:20:41tacoman359thank you
21:22:00bluebrotherand those are already shipped with Rockbox
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21:22:32Lars_Gbluebrother: for one second I missread you, and tough a vendor was shipping devices with rockbox
21:22:35Lars_Gmy heart skipped a beat
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21:23:08tacoman359ahh bluebrother, are there any other games that aren't already on rockbox when you download it?
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21:25:21tacoman359is there a tutorial anywhere that will show me how to make my own rockbox games?
21:25:29tacoman359is there a tutorial anywhere that will show me how to make my own rockbox games?
21:25:35goffaperl|work: yes i am enjoying the flicker mode
21:25:47goffabattery charging is nice too
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21:26:30perl|workoh what happened to charging?
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21:26:39perl|workdidnt notice anything unusual about it
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21:27:13goffaled can light when charging
21:27:24goffaso you know the battery status
21:27:35perl|workthats nice
21:28:03perl|worknow all we need is a save settings option for them
21:28:05fasmaieSo, having fun heh, Goffa?
21:28:15goffaactually player is at home
21:28:18goffabut have been having fun :)
21:28:42goffayeah.. i think gotthardt is just waiting to ensure its stable
21:29:04goffaand it does seem to be
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21:29:59goffai think settings > display would be a good location
21:30:06goffathen have led settings under that
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21:34:42combrainsGB still didnt save my settings
21:35:02goffafor anything?
21:35:10goffaor just led?
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21:36:41combrainsafter I reset my settings, I set everything up again then shut down but my UI is back to defult again
21:37:46combrainsit didn't save dircahe or spindown settings
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21:38:38webguest9720 questions is freezing every time that i start it
21:39:31webguest97can ne1 help
21:40:27bluebrother20 questions?
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21:40:35bluebrotherwow ... how impatient
21:40:50bluebrotheror pretty much unused to irc
21:41:03peschmae_or unstable
21:41:22peschmae_like me ;-)
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21:45:17fasmaieI hate UPS!!
21:45:57goffawhy's that fasmaie?
21:46:45fasmaieMy wife bought me something.....won't say what it is.....but she gave me the tracking number
21:47:02fasmaieSo I know it's on its way from CA
21:47:10fasmaieLeft on the 4th
21:47:36fasmaieBut I don't know what it is, and it will. not. get. here.
21:47:46fasmaieIts driving me mad
21:47:56fasmaieWhich was her plan, I guess
21:48:09perl|workcombrains does it save any settings at all?
21:48:16perl|worklike theme, volume etc?
21:48:31perl|workdid you do a fresh install?
21:51:04goffayeah... waiting for stuff is the worst part of buying it
21:52:06tucozLars_G, hehe. that was funny
21:52:52Lars_Gtucoz: And a tale of real life (both guys are friends)
21:53:04tucozeven better
21:53:34perl|workcombrains turn it off, change some settings and theme, save a .cfg file
21:53:36Lars_GAnd it wasn't so funny for g1, :)
21:53:39perl|workturn it off
21:53:44fasmaieThanks Lars_G
21:53:56Lars_Gfasmaie: for giving you hope that it might get lost in the way?
21:53:58perl|workturn it on again and tell me what happens
21:54:19combrainsperl|work, that's what Iv'e done
21:54:26fasmaieNo, for a laugh
21:54:33Lars_Grockbox devs, is this a layered society or a horizontal one?
21:54:38Lars_Gfasmaie: that was the idea :)
21:54:38fasmaieI'm hoping for better things
21:54:54fasmaieI think she's got me a music player
21:55:04fasmaieDon't know what, though
21:55:28fasmaieProbably an iPod......then I'll shoot myself
21:55:36goffaha ha ha
21:55:54fasmaieThanks, goffa
21:55:54Lars_GAre there any active devs on the room?
21:56:03Lars_GI want to submit this to a poll
21:56:21perl|workcombrains no recall that .cfg
21:56:25perl|workturn it off
21:56:26Lars_Gfasmaie: you don't have the cloak :P lol
21:56:27perl|workand turn it on again
21:56:45fasmaieYes, I know
21:56:52ZagorLars_G: it's layered insofar that we have some people with more priviliges than others (such as commit access)
21:57:02Lars_GHere is the idea. I want to add code and option screen to allow you to setup the backlight to turn on/off automatically at headphone insert/remove on the ipod. what do you think, usefull or not?
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21:57:45combrainsok fine - now its saved them
21:57:52combrainsseems silly to me
21:58:05combrainsdidn't have to recall my cfg
21:58:22perl|worksometimes it happens after the 1st shut down
21:58:35Lars_GOf course I can always make it a patch and let the devs decide and if it's not included, let people who want it, use the patch
21:58:38Lars_GI'll do it
21:58:41fasmaieI'm no dev, Lars_G, but it seems like the music stopping/starting on headphone removal/insertion should be good enough
21:58:47perl|workbut i dont remember happening that to me for awhile
21:59:05fasmaieYes, submit the patch....that's the best thing
21:59:21Lars_Gfasmaie: Might be, it's just today in the car, I unplugged the ipod and I wanted to make sure it paused AND remember what I was listening to. and the idea came to me
21:59:25Lars_GI'll do that
21:59:26combrainsperl|work, have you tried the cover art patch?
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22:01:07ZagorLars_G: i suggest simply modding the headphone pause function to trigger a backlight timeout. much simpler than a separate option.
22:01:28Lars_GZagor: it will trigger but based on the option. I want to give people the option
22:01:36perl|workcombrains i did
22:01:45combrainsany good?
22:01:48Zagoroption overload is a very real problem for us
22:01:53perl|workcombrains but we have a wps bug going on at the moment
22:02:02perl|workthat effects the progress bar on all themes
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22:02:16perl|worksloth was looking into it
22:02:23Lars_GHmmm that can be a problem
22:02:30combrainsoic - using the patch or just normal?
22:02:38perl|workjust normal builds
22:02:53perl|workand i was working on my own WPS as well
22:03:01perl|workthat supports album art
22:03:13perl|workso its kinda frustrating
22:03:25perl|work3 people already took a look and found nothing
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22:04:11combrainsas of which version does the bug pop up?
22:04:22combrainscoz I cant say ive witnessed it
22:04:37perl|worksince 0103 builds
22:04:46perl|workget BeatMP or Pixel wps
22:04:52perl|worklook at progress bar
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22:08:15combrainsthat will be why I don't notice it - I use ajax
22:09:52perl|workbut anyway album art patch works like it should
22:09:56perl|workhad no problems with it
22:11:13Lars_GI wonder how hard it'd be to read album artwork off ID3
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22:13:46linuxstb_You'll need to move the jpeg decoder into the core, and deal with giving it memory to use to decode and resize the image...
22:14:12linuxstb_Or if not in the core, then in the codec buffer, and decode the image between decoding files.
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22:14:47linuxstb_i.e. the challenge would be to do it efficiently.
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22:16:24perl|worki prefer the "cover.jpg/bmp" in the folder method actually
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22:25:57tucozbluebrother, around?
22:27:18tucozit doesn't matter that the keys are not rotated in the html, as the browser window is a bit more flexible than a piece of paper
22:27:36bluebrotheryes. Noticed that
22:28:02bluebrotherdoesn't look that well-spaced as in the pdf version, but I don't consider this a problem in any way
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22:28:18tucozno. me neither.
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22:28:31DarkPlayanyone here?
22:28:41tucozdo you understand the example config for the chip-8 viewer?
22:28:57bluebrotherI think I do.
22:29:08bluebrotherbut I haven't paid attention to the text itself.
22:29:29bluebrotheras far as I understand the table is the default mapping, which maps chip8 buttons to target buttons
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22:29:47bluebrotherand with that single line you can remap them by mapping chip8 key -> another chip8 key.
22:30:04bluebrotherbut it's a bit confusing :)
22:30:15tucozhmm. so 0122458... means?
22:30:46tucozin the description 3->2 is mentioned. but there is no 3 in the config
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22:31:01tucozmaybe it is a typoi
22:31:06bluebrotherhmm. I guess I'll need to re-read it again in the wiki :)
22:31:08tucozah no
22:31:12tucozi think i get it
22:31:16bluebrotherthe other way round?
22:31:38tucozkey number 3 is mapped to 2
22:32:03tucozas 0122 <−− should be 3 there, but 2 is mapped instead
22:32:19linuxstb_Looks like someone has managed to brick their ipod...
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22:32:38*bluebrother just found another key combo for gvim by accident
22:32:45bluebrothera bricked ipod? Is that possible?
22:33:22linuxstb_Yes, if you MENU+SELECT during a flash update....
22:33:39bluebrothermenu+select reboots?
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22:34:32linuxstb_It's a hardware reset.
22:35:02bluebrotherah. Wasn't aware of that.
22:35:02tucoz_is that possible to do from within apple's firmware as well?
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22:36:20FebsI can't believe he chose to reset in the middle of the flash upgrade.
22:36:47linuxstb_It's just very unfortunate. Hopefully it's still within warranty.
22:37:02tucozit's not rockbox's fault, is it?
22:37:12linuxstb_Not at all.
22:37:41FebsHe acknowledges in his post that he should have known not to interrupt the process.
22:37:51tucozgreat. then we can still say that we know of no bricked ipods because of rockbox.
22:38:24linuxstb_(if people haven't found it)
22:38:43FebsBy the way, the Apple firmware now works perfectly with my 5G and the new bootloader.
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22:39:47Febs(I'm not quite as altruistic as ryran thinks. I had the same issue as he did which is why I went through the flash process.)
22:40:10dan_aFebs: Don't tell anyone!
22:40:29FebsTell anyone what? ;)
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22:44:54notCHOcheeseHello all.
22:45:24notCHOcheeseI have a video Ipod, and I have already gotten rockbox on it.
22:45:35notCHOcheeseBut now I am attempting to dual boot.
22:45:53Zagorlostlogic: here?
22:46:06notCHOcheeseI read that it was possible in the manual, somewhere, but I can find nowhere else where it speaks about how to do so.
22:46:27notCHOcheeseAnyone got a link or help for me?
22:46:28linuxstb_notCHOcheese: Read the IpodFAQ wiki page.
22:46:38DogBoyI'm dual booting with mine
22:47:50Lars_GnotCHOcheese: Yes it's possible to dualboot. in fact if you used ipodpatcher to install rockbox as in the guide you can already dual boot
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22:48:23Lars_Gfor the OF just shut the ipod down leaving play pressed, and then turn it on by leaving menu pressed until the boot screen says "booting original firmware"
22:48:34Lars_Gthat, or connect the ipod to usb, switch "hold" on, and disconnect it
22:48:40DogBoynotCHOcheese: there is a decent article about it here:
22:49:01notCHOcheeseok, thats obviously how i installed rockbox, with the ipodpathcer.exe
22:49:38linuxstb_DogBoy: That's 4 months out of date - the method has changed.
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22:50:11DogBoyhas it, it worked for me last night
22:51:07notCHOcheesethanks yall
22:52:13bluebrotherthat instructions are outdated
22:52:24bluebrotheroh, I was too slow
22:53:02linuxstb_And v2.4 of loader2 won't work with COP-enabled Rockbox builds. You need a version of loader2 built from the ipodlinux SVN within the last couple of days.
22:53:21DogBoyI was just going to ask you to be more specific
22:53:30pixelmaDogBoy: depends on which bootloader you use - so if your install was before the latest changes, the old method still works for you
22:53:33DogBoythat explains why I couldn't get cop to work
22:54:39linuxstb_Plus those links to ipodpatcher.exe and ipod_fw.exe are dead.
22:54:58linuxstb_And ipod_fw.exe shouldn't be used on the 5.5g...
22:56:16DogBoyyea, I had to stretch the article a bit since I don't use windows
22:56:45notCHOcheeseyou wrote that article?
22:57:03DogBoyno, I use linux and it was written for windows
22:57:12notCHOcheesei would juwt use the lastest daily builds
22:57:25notCHOcheesenot some article's method hosted off of
22:58:25DogBoyyea, well, I'm reading thru the ipodfaq right now myself
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23:01:42*petur wonders if Bagder will ask his SanDisk contact about :)
23:02:19tucozfor hw or for specs? ;)
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23:07:33DogBoylinuxstb: so if I build loader2 from svn maybe I can get it working with cop
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23:09:17DogBoyipodlinux site down again
23:09:43DogBoywell... google cache maybe
23:09:49linuxstb_Here's a binary -
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23:15:31DogBoythanks linuxstb
23:16:32linuxstb_You can install that on your ipod using the "-ab" option with the CVS version of ipodpatcher.
23:18:39DogBoywhat is the best sounding device that rockbox runs on
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23:19:32*jba discovers cgi:irc on rockbox web site, yay
23:19:43Lars_GI miss my iPaq's sound :'( the phillips DAC it used ruled
23:20:22DogBoyI think the sound on my palm pilot is better than this ipod video I just got
23:20:25jbalinuxstb: so it's basically some def's in the settings code that tells it whether those sound capabilities are there in the firstplace to be able to save them
23:20:29jbai think i get it]
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23:21:36jbalinuxstb: I don't actually have commit access to this cvs tree (i did to wibbix's cvs tree a while back) if I fix it in a patch I still need to file a task with the patch?
23:21:48Topic"CVS commiting is now disabled" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:22:16*dan_a applauds Bagder
23:22:22ZagorThe rockbox is now aborted ;-p
23:22:28Zagorproject, even
23:22:32linuxstb_Let's all go home then.
23:22:32*Zagor can't make jokes
23:22:40Lars_GIs the migration comming along then?
23:22:51linuxstb_rm -fr ~/rockbox-devel ; logout
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23:23:32linuxstb_jba: Either post a patch, or grab the attention of a developer.
23:23:38jbai think you guys mis-understood, i never actually got commit access to rockbox proper in the firstplace
23:23:44jbaas i started life as a gigabeat dev
23:24:08jbabut yeah, thanks linuxstb_ will do
23:24:27jbamaybe later i'll go through the hoops of getting commit access
23:24:27linuxstb_jba: Maybe you're confusing the current comments - rockbox is moving from CVS to SVN.
23:24:42linuxstb_So CVS has just been closed.
23:25:31jbayeah i know i heard last week
23:25:34Lars_Gsigh now I need to recheckout
23:25:45jbanever mind
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23:25:53jbaI'll just make a patch tonight
23:26:18jbamaybe news on the front page should indicate that the repo is being migrated to svn
23:26:19Lars_Gjba: going thorough the hoops is more efficient than insinuating your desire to linuxstb to see if he adds you
23:26:34*linuxstb_ has no power to add people
23:26:58jbaI wasn't trying to get him to add me, was just following up to his message to me in the logs
23:27:05Lars_Glinuxstb: Sorry i didn't know you're sterile
23:27:48softi_42is there a possibilty to have "shuffle" be playlist dependant?
23:28:01 Part tucoz ("sweet dreams")
23:28:13softi_42i have audio books - where the sequence is relevant
23:28:31Lars_Gyou can deactivate it quickly before going into audiobook
23:28:34softi_42and songs - which i want to hear in random order
23:28:47bluebrotherdon't enable shuffle and just do a "reshuffle playlist" when playing songs
23:28:49Lars_Ghold the menu key and it brings a menu to quickly activate and deactivate it
23:29:15bluebrotherMode on iriver h100 and h300 series ;-)
23:29:31Lars_Gor when you will listen to music, instead of clicking selet, left select held on the music folder, and select playlist and then "insert shuffled"
23:30:43softi_42do you think it would be hard to ass such a feature - save shuffe per playlist?
23:31:09softi_42but i'll try your suggestions
23:31:24Zagorsofti_42: playlists are only lists of files, they do not contain settings
23:31:48bluebrotherbut you can simply save configuration files alongside with your playlists
23:32:03bluebrotherand simply load that configurations. Only 1 click ;-)
23:32:26softi_42Zagor, i know that - but why not change this?
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23:33:02Zagorsofti_42: because the playlist format is fixed. there is no room for settings without resorting to very ugly kludges.
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23:33:27linuxstb_And it's not our format, playlists are standard .m3u files.
23:33:56*linuxstb_ notices Zagor made the last ever cvs commit...
23:33:57softi_42do playlists allow comments?
23:34:04jbagotthardt: FYI, I enabled LCD Power OFF in the debug menu and I still don't get my lcd going off when the backlight fades out. Remember I'm using an X, so this might be a difference between X and F ?
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23:34:18Zagorlinuxstb: yeah, powerful stuff too :-)
23:34:28linuxstb_Who made the first?
23:34:33markunjba: how can you check that it doesn't turn off?
23:34:46Zagorlinuxstb: I or bagder. I don't remember.
23:34:48markunIs your screen visible with the backlight off?
23:35:06jbaif you tilt the screen to an almost orthogonal angle you can still see the song title and status bar of the wps
23:35:19jbai.e.screen parallel to floor facing up
23:35:32jbait was hard, but i could still see it
23:36:01jbaone sec
23:36:02markunjba: and was it moving?
23:36:14markunI will also try..
23:36:24jbai'm trying to figure that part out
23:36:30jbahey markun by the way, how goes?
23:36:35jbaenjoying paris
23:36:40markunyes, very much
23:36:48jbahey it seems to ahve powered off now
23:37:00jbaso it seems the power off comes a few seconds after the fade out, and I spoke to soon
23:37:17*preglow does the imminent svn dance
23:37:40jbaand markun you're right when it fades out and the text is moving it freezes when the backlight goes off
23:37:45jbait must be residual image?
23:38:00Nico_Phow is svn better thzn cvs ?
23:38:08linuxstb_svn mv
23:38:14jbagotthardt: it seems I spoke too soon, the screen turns off after a while
23:38:21jbaNico_P: repo wide revision numbers
23:38:41Bagderrenames, atomic commits, diffs both ways, ...
23:38:44jbaserver side folder operations
23:38:48markunjba: I have to go offline..
23:38:57jbamarkun: did you see my point last night about the bass/trebble settings not being saved?
23:39:06jbaok cool catch ya later
23:39:37jbasvn mv svn://repo/somefolder svn://repo/someotherfolder
23:39:48jbano working copy needed
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23:48:45Nico_Pguys, i was thinking about something recently and i wanted to ask you if it sounds possible...
23:48:45Nico_Pthe idea was to free some space in the audio buffer to store a bitmap (i was thinking about my album art patch)
23:48:45Nico_Pwould it be possible to move the pointer to the end of the audio buffer dynamically to create a kind of buffer ?
23:49:23Nico_Ptaking advantage of the fact that the audio buffer is a ring buffer
23:49:49Bagdermove what pointer?
23:52:32Lars_GI think he wants to shring the ring buffer a little
23:52:36Lars_Gto use the rest for the cover
23:54:00Zagoryou can allocate space in the audio buffer permanently at boot
23:54:11Zagoryou can not do it dynamically
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23:55:13Bagderwhy not have the art in the ring buffer as we've discussed for ages?

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