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#rockbox log for 2007-01-09

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00:05:36*amiconn wonders whether the vmware image has svn installed
00:05:45BagderI wouldn't think so
00:05:57Bagder"apt-get install subversion"
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00:06:59linuxstb_Bagder: Anything buildserver admins need to do, apart from make sure svn is installed?
00:07:00*amiconn installs subversion on his build server
00:07:23*amiconn prefers gui apps like synaptic
00:07:26Bagderlinuxstb_: I'll provide a description once we have a repo up
00:07:29*bluebrother notices the time
00:07:52Bagderlinuxstb: it would probably be a matter of doing a checkout and moving the repo somehow
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00:08:41Nico_PBagder: when i tried to have the bitmap in the ring buffer i got playback problems
00:09:19Bagderand those problems aren't fixable?
00:09:31Nico_Pi don't know the playback engine well enough
00:10:37Nico_Pmaybe i'll try looking into that again... it was quite some time ago, when i started to work on the patch. since then i've learned a lot about how rockbox works
00:10:48scorcheamiconn: it doesnt
00:11:30Nico_Palso another possibility i thought about was to use buffer_alloc at startup, combined with a setting allowing to disable album art
00:12:45linuxstb_Nico_P: There are also a few more people around nowadays who have worked on the playback code, so if you attempted that approach again, you might get more help.
00:13:50Nico_Pmaybe i could store cuesheets there too
00:13:58Bagderpage 7
00:14:53Nico_Plinuxstb_: who would i need to talk to to get some advice ?
00:14:59lostlogicwoah. svn.
00:15:06*lostlogic is slow
00:16:07ZagorNico_P: storing only one album art means you need to spin up the disk for every song. no fun.
00:17:00Nico_PZagor: actually i was thinking of storing a bit more than that... and that's what is done currently but they are in the WPS image buffer ;)
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00:17:58linuxstb_Nico_P: Just ask here, and see who answers.
00:18:33linuxstb_But both lowlight and lostlogic (I think) have expressed a desire to work on metadata-on-buffer.
00:19:31lostlogicI wrote a patch once... that kinda sorta worked
00:19:51lostlogicNico_P: I think it's still on the wiki... if you want to read it and see what my approach was
00:20:03Nico_Pi'll have a look
00:21:09Nico_Pdidn't jhMikeS also work on the playback engine ?
00:21:26lostlogicyeah, more recently
00:21:28lostlogicas well as pondlife
00:21:48Nico_Phave you followed the changes they made ?
00:21:49Zagorlostlogic: btw, are you aware that your build server produces warnings that the others don't? see the yellow-spotted build table.
00:22:24dan_aBagder: That's... odd. I was thinking of asking them for an AS3514 datasheet to see if I got a different response. The AS3515 is the one that's billed as being designed to interface with PortalPlayer chips.
00:22:37lostlogicZagor: yeah, I'm aware, but haven't found a way to solve it yet −− tried to set the path for the build script, but it didn't listen, so it's still using the system GCC instead of the one that it should
00:25:59amiconnsomething is wrong here... /:
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00:29:57muesli-are mp3s floating point based?
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00:45:28stevenmHello. This morning I found a nasty little MIDI bug causing memory corruption, but I see CVS was just disabled. Will the SVN accounts have to be re-made, or will new passwords be mailed out, or what?
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00:45:37*Bagder checks out from the svn repo...
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00:47:30Lars_GBagder: How's it?
00:47:32Lars_Gis it nice?
00:47:48Bagderit works
00:48:24*Lars_G tries to think of a way to move his cvs checked out dir to a svn version
00:49:46amiconnMake a diff of the cvs working copy against cvs, check out a new copy from svn and then patch
00:49:54amiconnBinary files need to be moved manually
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00:51:50Terinjokeshey, can anyone read these?
00:52:28dan_aTerinjokes: read what?
00:53:58Terinjokesdan_a: anything i type
00:54:11dan_aYes :)
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00:55:00scorcheTerinjokes: you are fading out a bit now...move a bit to your left
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00:57:01stevenmIs there a howto on the rockbox page on how to use SVN?
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00:57:46dan_astevenm: Not yet, afaik
00:58:12stevenmdan_a, do you know how to obtain an SVN account, if you had a CVS account?
00:58:42Terinjokesdan_a, i'm trying to install gentoo and my network isn't working (i have to unplug/plug my ethernet every 30 secs)
00:59:00dan_astevenm: I'm pretty sure that Bagder will send out passwords
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00:59:15stevenmdan_a, aah ok. Thank you
01:01:24Bagderif you feel like walking the edge => "svn co svn:// rockbox"
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01:02:56*dan_a walks the edge
01:03:29dan_aI notice the first directory to get transferred is CVSROOT...
01:04:33Bagderyeah, we should move that away
01:05:07Bagder11953 revisions
01:05:20*linuxstb_ notices a huge speed difference
01:06:06amiconnBagder: That'd be a read-only checkout, right?
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01:08:48Bagderbut I think you can commit from it later on when you get user/passwd
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01:09:09BagderI need to sleep now
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01:09:38Random_Transitquick question...can rockbox play video?
01:09:47zylchetechnically, but just video.
01:09:51Lars_Gquick response. Just a little
01:09:57linuxstb_Why is my SVN "apps" directory 60MB, and the CVS version 30MB?
01:10:13linuxstb_Random_Transit: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
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01:10:30linuxstb_zylche: mpegplayer now plays audio.
01:10:34Bagderlinuxstb: because svn has the repo twice sort of
01:10:35zylcheIt does?
01:10:44Bagderto enable local diffs etc
01:11:05Bagderbtw, here's the golden place for svn docs =>
01:11:11linuxstb_Why can't it just diff against the repository?
01:11:29Bagderto allow better offline work and to be able to send diffs on commit
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01:12:25*Bagder goes to bed
01:12:26Lars_GBagder: What are you using? svn, svn+ssh, http?
01:12:33Lars_Gah he went to bed
01:12:37Zagorsvn only at the moment
01:12:47Zagorwe'll add http too later.
01:12:52Aloneaok, did I miss something? I only see the source archive for download on the CVS page...
01:13:18ZagorAlonea: we're moving to svn, but it's not ready yet
01:13:22Lars_GI'm not hot for http but I like svn+ssh for commits not that I can commit
01:13:30Aloneawhat is svn?
01:13:40Lars_Gan alternative to cvs
01:14:06Aloneahave noooo idea what that is...i never really even knew what cvs stood for. Well, as long as something is happening I am ok.
01:14:18ZagorAlonea: now I see what you were asking. :-)
01:14:46Zagoryes, the page is blank due to the move.
01:15:12Alonea^^;;; Its like, I have some ideas of things, but I don't know everything. Is it a new type of server thing (or something similar) for updating source changes?
01:15:33ZagorAlonea: yes, it's a new better revision control system. to keep track of changes to the source code.
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01:17:19Aloneaoh, ok. I kinda get what you mean. I used to have a control system thing when I did sites, but of a completely different sort. (it was a fanfic archive) So I guess it will make things easier for you guys?
01:18:40Zagorthat's the plan :-)
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01:20:41Aloneasounds like a good plan. When do you think it will be up?
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01:21:50Zagorit's up already, in a limited fashion. we'll adapt the rest the coming days.
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01:23:30Aloneaoh, okies. Well, I usually check every couple days and get the new CVS (er, now it would be svn) and see what progress has been made.
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01:25:26Lars_Ggoatmale: you're here to entice me
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01:47:22goatmaleentice what
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01:47:56Lars_GI'd say but I'd be banned
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02:03:50Aloneaok, rockbox does not like my wmas...
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02:07:16Nimdae"Added fade to car adapter mode pause"
02:07:20Nimdaethat's configurable right?
02:08:04Aloneaon most of them it either skips over the file or says "No File!" yet the file plays fine on my computer. there is no copy protection or drm
02:08:39Nimdaeusing any "weird" settings?
02:08:42pixelmaAlonea: rockbox doesn't support wma (yet)
02:09:01Nimdaeeh? i thought it did :P
02:09:05Nimdaeoh well
02:09:20Aloneano, no wierd settings..and i thought wma was supported. its on the list of supported formats
02:09:27Aloneaand some of the wmas play. just not all
02:09:44pixelmaare you sure?
02:10:42Alonealemme double check real quick
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02:12:52pixelmaAFAIK someone started porting the codec and submitted a patch to the tracker - but I thought it wasn't usable yet (not 100% sure though as I don't even own a swcodec target :D )
02:12:54Aloneabah. can't find the list
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02:13:39Aloneawell, I have my rockbox set to show supported formats only and wmas are still listed
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02:18:12Aloneawell, its just as easy to convert to mp3. bought this nice program a couple years ago that has a nice conversion process
02:20:13Aloneasteinburg myMp3 pro. even converts to ogg which some pc games use (Unreal Tournament) and then you can put in custom music. Anyway. wmas tend to be devil incarnate anyway. *grumbles*
02:20:49Nimdaeall of my music is ogg
02:21:08bonbonthejonNimdae: does rockbox handle ogg fast enough
02:21:41Nimdaerockbox handles ogg just like anything else that handles ogg
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02:22:43Nimdaeit just brings ogg to a wider variety of platforms
02:22:43bonbonthejonyeah, but doesnt the player use a chip for mp3, I'm afraid ogg will go too slow since the processor needs to handle it
02:23:05Nimdaeeh, the whole mp3 decoder chip is a myth
02:23:21pixelmaNimdae: not on the Archos ;)
02:23:28Nimdaeexcept on the archos
02:23:42Nimdaebut i'm sure the cpu on the older archos is too slow for mp3 ;)
02:24:14Nimdaein any case, my ipod plays oggs about as well as it plays mp3s
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02:25:22scorche12 mHz
02:25:24Nimdaesomeo f the podcasts i listen to are in mp3, so i do have a comparison
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02:26:24audioengineerhiya sloth
02:26:42Nimdaei think rockbox needs a good podcast manager
02:26:49Aloneamy oggs run fine. of course the gigabeat has a nice cpu. my rockboy games play well. sound is good along with everything else
02:28:10Nimdaescorche: the patch that adds the fade to car mode pause...that's configurable right?
02:28:14audioengineerdebauched_sloth: do you know how the charging of the battery is controlled in the gb?
02:28:21Nimdaebecause i would have to disable it
02:28:24audioengineeris it sw or hw
02:28:44debauched_slothI think it is HW, but have not looked at that - gotthardt might know
02:28:45scorcheNimdae: no idea...ask the patch author
02:29:10Nimdaethat requires doing something :(
02:29:52Nimdaei'll just browse the code
02:30:21audioengineerbecause I have noticed that since I have been on rb - If i put my player on charge while powered off, then unplug it then plug it back in, it will say that the battery is fully charged
02:31:04Nimdaelooks like a simple code change, and it is configured with the global fade on stop, it appears
02:31:42debauched_slothaudioengineer: we still haven't spent a lot of time figuring out the battery readings
02:32:01debauched_slothmy RB says 5:37 remaining, for example, but will run for about 14hours
02:32:17debauched_slothit's top of the list, after more serious bugs
02:32:20audioengineeryes I get that too
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02:35:43tamacracker__The only thing I find complicated on the RockBox
02:35:58tamacracker__is saving the equalizer settings.
02:36:02tamacracker__or the presets i should say.
02:40:26preglowthe eq should get a general souping up one da
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02:53:14jbahey debauched_sloth, about your lcd_enable() patch
02:53:26jbaever thought of clearing the screen before freezing updates?
02:53:44jbaI was getting a residual image on my screen and thought the power off wasn't working
02:53:57jbaalso the lcd display powers back on again much faster than the original toshy firmware
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02:55:28debauched_slothjba: it should fade down before clearing, so you should see nothing
02:55:38debauched_slothpowers back on faster? interesting
02:56:05KCClol @ toshy
02:56:09KCCI like it
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02:57:23scubacolesI guess it's appropriate to post this here.. My Symbian phone has support for WMA via an app called WMAPlus!, it's based on the opensource OggPlay.
02:58:15scubacolesI'm pretty sure it just adds a codec and slightly alters the menu structure of OggPlay
02:58:46scubacolesIs the reason rockbox doesn't support wma due to licensing?
03:01:45LloreanThe reason is that nobody's finished converting an open-source WMA codec to fixed point, and put it in our codec architecture.
03:01:53scubacolesjba: didn't expect to see you here...Happy New Year
03:02:14LloreanTo paraphrase something once said, "Getting WMA on Rockbox would take someone working on it with a clue, and those with a clue generally just use better formats."
03:02:23LloreanOr something like that.
03:02:43goffathats about as close as it gets
03:02:49LloreanAnyway, someone was working on WMA, but never really released much in the way as code.
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03:03:15goffahis house burnt down
03:03:40bozukarobdoes rockbox work the way ipod linux does when you hold down play/pause for ipod firmware then next/ffw for linux
03:04:06bozukarobif not is there any way to do this?
03:04:14scubacolesPersonally it's not an issue, I stick to mp3, or now that rockbox is running on the gigabeat, ogg but for others it's a huge issue
03:04:20Lloreanbozukarob: You're going to have to be a little more clear on what you're asking.
03:05:21bozukarobare you familiar with ipodlinux?
03:05:33LloreanThis is #Rockbox, I've booted iPodLinux exactly once.
03:06:01LloreanAre you asking a question about the Rockbox bootloader?
03:06:12bozukaroblet me rephrase my question
03:06:28LloreanHolding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox.
03:06:33goffayeah.. i don't have many wmas left
03:06:37goffai'd say none
03:06:51LloreanFor Linux to start, a copy of .bin file has to be named Linux.bin, and exist in the root of the Fat32 partition.
03:06:53goffabut there might be some hidden somewhere on my hd
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03:07:10bozukarobHolding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox.
03:07:21bozukarobis that w/o ipodlinux installed?
03:07:36LloreanHow would you start iPodLinux without it installed?
03:07:48LloreanThere must be an ext2/ext3 partition with the ipodlinux filesystem present.
03:07:59LloreanBut the iPodLinux loader shouldn't be installed.
03:08:24bozukarobokay i understand
03:08:52goffahmm.. playlist seems to have hit a brick wall.. got to like 4500 quickly (like 1 min).. taken like 10 mins to get 78 tracks...
03:08:53jbascubacoles: thanks mate, same to you, cgi:irc is good when on lunch break
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03:09:22jbadebauched_sloth: yeah almostlike it initiates the screen on re-enabling it
03:09:27scubacolesAhhh, so you're now living in my old hell....CGI:IRC
03:09:28jbamayeb there is a deeper disable mode?
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03:09:38jbascubacoles: yeah dude, dems de breaks
03:10:06jbadebauched_sloth: yeah so anyhow, it the backlight fades down yeah, but in the right light you can still see the screen
03:10:17jbaanal I know, but i just thought I would point that out
03:10:35jbait's a much nicer shutdown when there are no resdiual lines of text on the screen
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03:12:17debauched_sloththey should go to off
03:12:28debauched_slothwait, you need the latest stuff gotthardt did for that
03:12:44debauched_slothI think he finally got the actual LCD off code in there
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03:12:54goffai think he did
03:13:13debauched_slothif it is off off, you should see nothing
03:13:21debauched_slothI can't see anything at max fade, either
03:14:13goffaso.. is the code in there where it doesn't update wps while screen is off?
03:14:45debauched_slothsort of
03:15:03debauched_slothshould be
03:15:39debauched_slothyes it is
03:15:56jbadebauched_sloth: i got the cvs build with gotthardt's commits yeah
03:16:31jbabut if you tilt the player beyond horizontal by about 5 Deg you should be able to still see the wps when backlight is faded out
03:17:00debauched_slothhmm. That should be tough
03:17:00jbagoffa: yeah my backlight faded to off while scrolling next song title and the scroll stopped mid title
03:17:05debauched_slothI'll see what I can see there
03:17:13debauched_slothdoes it update?
03:17:23jbai use a bright green forground font on white background in wps
03:17:26jbamade it easy to see
03:17:31jbadebauched_sloth: no it doesn;t update at all
03:17:39jbawhich is why i thought it might be best to clear the screen before stopping updates
03:17:47debauched_slothjba: that's good
03:18:08debauched_slothjba: maybe...
03:18:15jbaso i thought this should be the flow, fade out -> clear screen -> halt screen updates -> power off lcd
03:18:30jbajust a suggestion
03:18:31debauched_slothright now it's everything there except clear screen
03:18:34jbain the mean time i got a meeting now
03:18:39debauched_slothok, thanks!
03:18:51jbadebauched_sloth: yeah I know, and I thought the clear screen would be trivial to add, no>?
03:19:20jbado you have wiki write access? we need to add saving bass/trebble settings to the todo for gigabeat
03:19:34debauched_slothtrival, yes
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03:19:49debauched_slothno, I have not updated the wiki, I'll take a look
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03:26:45goffafunny.. my sister just called "can you hack into myspace, someone posted something bad about a friend of mine"
03:29:01*Alonea shakes her head
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03:32:11Aloneaevening to you too daven
03:33:05davenmeh, am havign
03:33:42davensorry, that should read "am having issues installing rockbox again after an 'accidental' update of ipod"
03:34:06fasmaie_daven: what kind of problms?
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03:34:32davenhowever, I think there's something I have forgotten, and will try that before asking...
03:34:50fasmaie_all the best
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03:37:28davenhmm, nope, seems not to have worked.
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03:38:12davenok, right. The issue is that with ipodpatcher, I am getting the error 'Bad boot sector signature'
03:38:27davenThe disk has been correctly unmounted
03:39:13fasmaie_What iPod do you have?
03:39:53davenmini 2g, am getting error while reading the boot partition
03:40:04fasmaie_What firmware are you using?
03:40:22davenas in Apple firmware?
03:40:32fasmaie_which version
03:40:46davenI just downgraded it back to something like 1.3
03:40:59daven(don't ask)
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03:41:15fasmaie_Did you try a restore and then a new install?
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03:41:22davenyes, have tried this
03:41:27davenI can try again
03:41:53LloreanI'm not sure if the new iPodPatcher works with minis properly yet.
03:42:10fasmaie_People have reported trouble on the older iPods with the new ipodpatcher
03:42:45davenhmm, should I see if I can find an older ipodpatcher
03:43:07fasmaie_You might want to try the old ipod_fw
03:43:19fasmaie_and diskdump combo
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03:44:19*daven tries
03:49:17fasmaie_daven: try the installation procedure from the Old Information list in the iPod page
03:49:49daventhanks :)
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03:57:53goffalol.. fasmaie_ running into indecission.. wife wants x5.. husband wants gigabeat
03:58:23goffawife wears pants but is easily snowed :) so its an even race
03:58:34Aloneai vote giga
03:58:42fasmaie_Here's hoping
03:58:46KCCwhats wrong with the x5?
03:59:29fasmaie_What would you want for the iriver?
04:01:21fasmaie_Just in case?
04:01:53fasmaie_Good to know
04:02:14fasmaie_May work out....still have to see what the wife bought me
04:02:52goffayeah.. no obligation either way
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04:06:51davenhmm. Oh dear.
04:07:05fasmaie_What's up Daven?
04:07:09davenIpod is now rebooting uncontrollably
04:07:25fasmaie_Reset it
04:07:35*daven does that
04:07:43fasmaie_You do have it Fat32 formatted, right?
04:08:17davenwell, one of the partitions ;) I think therein lay the mistake
04:08:49*daven was being careless with tab completion. oops.
04:18:24goffalooking back on this.. it was a mistake not deleting the music directory on this gigabeat
04:18:30goffa30gb of .sat files
04:18:41goffai nuked all of the files.. now i have a ton of empty dirs
04:26:09Aloneathere is a way to convert .sat back to mp3
04:27:13Aloneathat is, if you wanted to convert them. i didnt have backups of everything i had on it. so it was a good thing for me
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04:32:33goffawell i deleted them
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04:33:18goffabecause i didn't want to copy them
04:33:41hcscheers to the gigabeat port crew, it's working quite well
04:36:42Aloneaah. well, I basically wanted to keep my 10 gigs of music. i had to copy over and then copy back, but it was worth it to me
04:37:05goffayeah.. i didn't want to reencode
04:37:15Aloneathe fun part is you dont even need a program to convert.
04:37:55Aloneathere is a loophole in the firmware. Set it to connect to WMP 10 and load windows explorer. Goto gigabeat drive. if you look at files. they are .mp3 instead of .mp3.sat
04:38:53Aloneayup. read it on a forum. tried it. it worked.
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04:39:39Aloneaso you just copy files to your hd, which takes a bit longer than normal. then delete files off of giga. and then put them back
04:39:47Benzihey... can anyone quickly tell me why rockbox won't run in the 5.5g ipods? Is there a hardware difference that causes this?
04:40:03LloreanBenzi: It's only the 80gb 5.5Gs that don't work
04:40:19LloreanThere is believed to be something different about the disk itself and its interface.
04:40:39Benzioh... so it's the kind of thing that would be part of the kernel?
04:41:04LloreanAs opposed to?
04:41:14BenziI don't know...I'm a noob XD
04:41:41Benziso for rockbox it's one huge kernel?
04:42:35LloreanI wouldn't say "huge"
04:42:35Benzianyway, do you think there will be a port to ipod 5.5g 80gb any time soon?
04:42:53Benzihaha... I know, I meant huge in function
04:42:56LloreanBut for Rockbox the kernel and application are for a good bit, the same thing.
04:43:17LloreanWhether it happens on the 80gb depends entirely on how soon someone figures out *what* is different.
04:43:54goatmaleanyone dual boot iaudio?
04:44:18Benzihmm... I have faith in the community, although I'm too stupid to be able to contribute :(
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04:48:06Lloreangoatmale: If nobody answered your question, that's probably a "no"
04:48:24LloreanSeeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway
04:49:03goatmalei was going to ask a different question
04:49:28LloreanWell, you're free to ask.
04:49:35goatmalewhich is where can I find patches like album art, is that not hosted on the rockbox site
04:49:51goatmalei downloaded a bunch of .weps and I can't seem to find the needed patches
04:50:00LloreanThey're all in the Patch Tracker
04:50:18LloreanFrom the front page, click the link "Patches" on the left side of the screen
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04:51:43goatmaleare these all multi platform?
04:52:24scorchenot all
04:52:32scorcheit will say which targets they are for
04:55:04goatmaleLloreanSeeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway
04:55:11goatmalewhere would be a better place to ask?
04:55:41LloreanWell, the file itself is unofficial, so the person who provided it.
04:56:30goatmaleRaenye said #rockbox
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04:57:16LloreanHe told you to ask in here for help with the dual boot feature?
04:59:31goatmalehe said something along the lines that if you need with the feature to ask around #rockbox
04:59:43goatmalebut he's not here so it doesn't matter.
05:00:23LloreanWell, as I said, it's not a supported feature. If you need help with it, contact him directly
05:00:28LloreanMaybe he simply meant that he could be found here.
05:02:05goatmaleMaybe, I guess I was hoping there'd be someone here with an iaudio.
05:02:40LloreanNot everyone with iAudios uses the dual boot patch.
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05:10:00goatmalei have a quick opion based question
05:10:25goatmalehow unstable is the daily build?
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05:11:32LloreanAs opposed to what?
05:11:38LloreanI'd say it's pretty stable.
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05:13:11toulousehey guys, can rockbox be installed on an ipod mini that has both apples firmware and ipodlinux?
05:13:57LloreanBoth the iPodLinux bootloader (the newer loader2 versions) and the Rockbox bootloader can load both Rockbox and iPodLinux
05:14:25toulouseso i take it as a yes?
05:14:42LloreanIt depends on which version of the iPodLinux loader you're using.
05:14:55toulouseoh, hmm.. it's not quite the newest one
05:15:20LloreanIf it's loader2 it should work, but it won't work with dual-core versions of Rockbox.
05:15:47toulouseok, also is it easier to install with a mac or a linux computer?
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05:16:49LloreanWell, with a working loader2, you just need to extract into the fat32 partition, and it should show up in your list of available OSes (you may need to edit the loader conf file, depending on a few things)
05:17:53LloreanWe don't really provide support for getting loader2 working, since it's not our software.
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05:18:37toulouseoh, fat32<−−- it was all done with a mac
05:18:51toulousewould the ipod have a fat32 partition?
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05:19:39LloreanIf yours is an HFS+ iPod, it won't work with Rockbox without some work.
05:19:45LloreanRockbox only supports Fat32, so it has to be converted.
05:20:28lachlan1231Hey Llorean, I realise the topic may have already been discussed, but what is standing in the way of the chopper game ( being commited into CVS (besides CVS being currently disabled)
05:21:24Lloreanlachlan1231: BarryWardell is a core developer, I assume the fact that it doesn't seem to want to work properly with the menu API is part of it.
05:22:24Lloreanlachlan1231: As well, it really doesn't support many of the Rockbox targets, does it?
05:22:57LloreanPlugins wanting to be included should include button mappings and screen sizes for all targets that can actually run them. This can be done by way of the simulators.
05:22:59lachlan1231I would imagine not, although I'm not particularly sure
05:23:09Lloreanlachlan1231: I don't see button mappings for several of them in the .diff.
05:23:20goatmaleSUCCESS! I am not dual booting
05:23:21LloreanSo, there are several things that should be addressed before it's really considerable for inclusion.
05:23:28lachlan1231Is it a requirement of game plugins that they be workable on both colour and non colour targets?
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05:24:10Lloreanlachlan1231: What do you mean?
05:25:13LloreanIf a plugin works on a grayscale target, it should be readily convertible to color.
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05:25:52lachlan1231You said it doesn't "support many of the Rockbox targets". So, would that mean that if it were to be considered for inclusion it would have to be in a state where it can be played on both colour screen and non colour screen targets?
05:26:07lachlan1231Oh, ok, I didn't realise
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05:26:48LloreanIf it's in color, of course, there may be limitations making it harder to work it into grayscale, but of course, the grayscale lib exists.
05:27:07lachlan1231I think its a shame it hasn't been commited so far, as the game requires basically one button to play, and as such is ideal for burning a couple of minutes on a DAP
05:27:08LloreanAnd I would assume "It just isn't playable without a color screen" could be seen as acceptable.
05:27:26Lloreanlachlan1231: It's a shame that the plugin author hasn't bothered to make it work on all platforms.
05:27:40LloreanToo often people only have an interest in their own platform, and then forget about it.
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06:00:15Aloneai guess I will check and see if the CVS page is back up tomorrow. Is the page going to be renamed?
06:01:25LloreanAlonea: I imagine so. I'm sure there will be an announcement when SVN builds have started.
06:02:07Aloneaalrighty. good night and good luck on writing those codes for stuff!
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06:17:15JdGordonhe all
06:17:19JdGordonhey even
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06:22:07lostlogicLlorean: what status was CVS/SVN left in?
06:23:27Lloreanlostlogic: I probably don't know the answer to your question, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.
06:23:49LloreanCVS commits aren't possible any more, and transition to SVN is happening.
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06:25:04lostlogicI was just curious if bagder mentioned the approximate run time of the script or anything
06:25:46LloreanOh, not that I'd heard.
06:25:59LloreanI've been away most of the day.
06:30:15jbalostlogic: i believe badger got it to the point where he could svn co from the server
06:30:22jbaand then headed off to sleep
06:30:51jbagrep today's log for badger's last entry and go back from there i guess
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06:32:56lostlogicah, it'll probably be up and running when it becomes morning here in -0600.
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07:36:46Alexincwhere are all of the CVS builds?
07:37:02LloreanJust use a daily for now.
07:37:14LloreanAssuming they're still available.
07:37:17scorchethey are enjoying thier severance packages atm
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07:38:34Alexincthere are no "latest daily builds" for the gigabeat f
07:41:24perldivershould be plenty
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07:48:29LloreanAlexinc: So just use the most recent "Old" one?
07:48:40LloreanI meant, it's from *yesterday*
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08:10:55JdGordon_does anyone know if parted can do non-destructive resize on ext3 partitions?
08:15:12scorcheas long as you do it correctly, yes
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08:19:17Mouser_XGeez... It took me 4-6 hours to catch up on the logs...
08:19:33Mouser_XAnd now, I should be in bed.
08:20:34perldiverworked on that wps?
08:20:46perldiverhow are you
08:20:49Mouser_XI haven't touched it since yesterday.
08:21:04Mouser_XI'm fine, but I have to get up to leave for work in about 5 hours.
08:21:28perldiverthats a bummer
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08:22:49Mouser_XActually, I forgot. It was probably 3-4 hours to read the logs. I had to do laundry (which I didn't finish) and other stuff.
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08:24:03Mouser_XDo you know of an easy way to export the various parts of a PSD file? Like, my WPS mockup is done in layers, and it'd be easier if I could simply just dump all the layers to different pictures.
08:24:16Mouser_XActually... There is a way to do that, but I don't remember how...
08:24:25Mouser_XIt's talked about on Winamp's forums.
08:24:54Mouser_X(I did it once, in an attempt to make a "Modern" skin...)
08:25:19Mouser_XThat being the case, I'm sure I still have all the stuff to do it... If only I knew what it was I was looking for...
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08:25:42perldiveri dont really understand the question
08:26:15Mouser_XHave you ever used layers in Photoshop? (I'm pretty sure it supports it. I know the format does)
08:26:39Mouser_XLike, one image contains multiple segments to it, which are one above the other.
08:27:03Mouser_XThere's a background, and then other pieces are layered on top of it.
08:27:31perldiveryes im using photoshop for 10 years now
08:27:45perldivernow the question part :P
08:27:59Mouser_XWell, I was wondering if there's a way to save all those layers as separate files.
08:28:16Mouser_XBasically, extract each layer to its own file.
08:28:38Mouser_XBased on the name given to the layer.
08:28:55Mouser_XI've done it, so I know it can be done. I just don't remember how.
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08:29:49perldiveroh yes sure
08:30:25perldiverfile > scripts > export layers
08:30:54Mouser_XThanks. Now to see if I can adapt that to Paintshop Pro..
08:31:09Mouser_X(I don't have photoshop.)
08:32:04perldivernow that might be a problem
08:32:45Mouser_XIndeed. I think on Winamp's forums there's an external application that can do it.
08:33:07Mouser_XLike I said, I know I've done it, I just don't remember how...
08:33:32Mouser_XIf worse comes to worse, I can do it all manually.
08:34:29perldiverthere are some great skins for winamp classic
08:34:40perldivernever really liked any modern skins
08:34:53Mouser_XThere's 2 I sometimes use though.
08:34:56perldiverbut classic, still suprising me
08:35:18Mouser_XThe Stargate SG-1 one, and a Sonic the Hedgehog (Green Hill Zone) one.
08:35:33perldiverwould you mind linking?
08:35:36Mouser_X(I think the author removed the Sonic 1...)
08:35:37perldiverid love to take a look
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08:36:16Mouser_XThe Sonic one has a few bugs in it. They're not an issue though, if you know about them (and make sure to disable the buggy features).
08:36:56Mouser_XStargate SG-1 skin:
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08:37:12Mouser_X(The preview pic does no justice, at all)
08:37:30Mouser_XI strongly suggest downloading it, to get a good look.
08:38:57perldiverwow thats crazyness
08:39:31perldiverill give you some examples what i like:
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08:40:41Mouser_XThe skin is 5 MB. For it to be hosted on Winamp, they had to revamp/fix the backend of the site. Previously, the max size was 3 MB.
08:40:44Mouser_XI think that the SG-1 skin is still the largest one hosted on Winamp.
08:40:46Mouser_XThough, there is a 33 MB skin floating around, somewhere.
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08:41:22OverandThere was a pretty great lain skin for winamp classic
08:41:27Overandwell, a great series of them
08:41:35Mouser_XI have a few like that.
08:41:51Mouser_XThey may be by the same person, for all I know (the ones I have, and the ones you're linking)
08:41:54OverandI love it when someone says "nerds" on IRC.
08:42:05Mouser_XI see your point
08:42:30OverandEven moreso when it's a freenode channel devoted to an open-source firmware replacement etc.
08:42:34Mouser_XOooh! I love Luigihann's skins.
08:42:36perldiverwhat skin design has to do with "nerds"
08:42:58Mouser_XLuigihann does an amazing job on skins.
08:43:00perldiverand nice points Overand hehe
08:43:28Mouser_XI think I have, and more or less use, everyone that he's made...
08:44:44Quazgaait is precisely the inescapable fact that everyone on irc and furthermore a channel such as this is the living embodiment of "nerd"
08:44:50Quazgaathat makes the accusation just that much more powerful.
08:45:11Quazgaalike, damn.
08:45:13Quazgaaif someone on #rockbox calls you a nerd
08:45:17Quazgaayou need to check yourself
08:45:19Quazgaawith a quickness
08:46:34*Mouser_X has a belt with the overworld map from Zelda 1 on it...
08:46:49Mouser_XLink is, of course, on there as well.
08:47:00Quazgaai used to have a zelda watch
08:47:18Mouser_XI'm just solidifying my nerdiness, I guess.
08:47:30Quazgaaneedless to say my peers saw to it that i had a miserable and tormented childhood.
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08:57:56BHSPitLappyI dunno about that. All my sane peers respect the Legend.
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08:59:16Mouser_Xperldiver: I PMed you, to avoid anymore off-topicness.
09:00:13Mouser_XBHSPitLappy: Well, I think it's great. And, the buckle is perfect as well.
09:00:39BHSPitLappyMouser_X, I'm already fully aware of your belt, tyvm
09:00:39Mouser_XEvery belt I've seen is either too small, or doesn't have enough holes for the buckle to fit me.
09:00:49BHSPitLappyand then some go above and beyond!
09:00:52Mouser_XAh, true.
09:01:05BHSPitLappy"10 yards of Zelda!"
09:01:14Mouser_XThat's an exageration.
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10:03:29pondlifeShould the front page mention that the SVN migration has started?
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10:11:34decayedcellcvs commiting disabled?
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10:15:23jangyis anyone here
10:16:58jangyi just found rock box today so i was looking to see whats up with the scene
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10:17:24BHSPitLappyyou found it? oh, thank goodness
10:17:27BHSPitLappywhere was it?
10:17:44jangyin the land of kazoo
10:17:50decayedcellba domp chi
10:18:30BHSPitLappyQuazgaa, your life consists of sitting here, saying something to that effect consistently
10:18:30decayedcelltoday is the 9th
10:18:38decayedcellyesterday was the last commit
10:18:47decayedcellso why is commiting today disabled?
10:19:06BHSPitLappySVN migration.
10:19:06LinusNdecayedcell: we are moving from CVS to SVN
10:19:11BHSPitLappythank goodness.
10:19:33LinusNBHSPitLappy: why so?
10:19:57BHSPitLappyeh. there's a lot that's better about SVN.
10:20:16BHSPitLappyobviously that's the general consensus
10:20:45linuxstbCVS has hardly been a hindrance though.
10:21:01LinusNyes, many things are better, but things won't be much different after the move
10:21:24LinusNthe biggest advantage with the move will be that we are moving to another server
10:21:37decayedcellSVN ftw
10:21:38LinusNso everything will be a lot faster
10:21:56LinusNbut that's not because of SVN
10:21:58decayedcellcvs takes a while to update files
10:22:09decayedcellbut i generally find SVN to be faster than CVS
10:22:17LinusNit probably is
10:22:19decayedcellunless all those times the servers with SVN have been faster
10:23:29decayedcellhow do i add
10:23:31decayedcellno wait
10:23:33decayedcellhmm nvm
10:23:44decayedcelli was going to ask how do I add it to my apt repository
10:24:32decayedcellwhere the hell do i get all the other bits then
10:24:47LinusN"the other bits"?
10:24:54decayedcellsh-elf-binutils etc
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10:33:59XavierGrhmm then probably the vmware image has to be updated too, right?
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10:42:12pondlifeFWIW (which is probably very little at this stage) I did a SVN co, but running the updated ../tools/configure gave me errors. Copied over the CVS version and that worked fine.
10:42:47pondlifeThis is under Cygwin. example error: ": command not found line 10:"
10:43:21B4gderand did the files actually differ?
10:43:27B4gderor was it a line ending problem?
10:44:52GodEaterWebsounds like line termination to me
10:47:16B4gderyeah I think so too
10:48:02pondlifeNope, the files are different
10:48:32pondlifeFor example - my SVN copy has # $Id: configure 11947 2007-01-08 18:21:12Z miipekk $
10:48:50pondlifeBut my CVS copy has # $Id: configure,v 1.249 2006-12-29 02:49:12 markun Exp $
10:49:06B4gderthen you didn't cvs update
10:49:16pondlifeI did yesterday
10:49:36B4gderyday was jan 8th and slasheri committed changes to configure
10:50:32pondlifeOK, so looks like those changes have line ending problems? I'll do a dos2unix -U on my SVN copy
10:50:57pondlifeYep, that fixed it
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10:53:16LinusNi just checked out the svn repo with cygwin and i didn't have any line termination issues
10:53:25bluebrothersvn already up?
10:53:42LinusNbluebrother: not officially :-)
10:53:56bluebrotherah, ok. Then I don't know of it :)
10:54:22LinusNit's unfortunate that you found out. now we have to kill you
10:54:29*pondlife dies
10:54:31*B4gder calls the hitmen
10:54:52*pondlife already died#
10:54:57LinusNtoo bad we have to waste the rockbox fund to hire hitmen
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10:55:06*pondlife donated some of that too
10:55:25*pondlife gets bored of being dead and resurrects
10:55:40*bluebrother goes checking if there is a svn package for his ooold box
10:55:45pondlifeI started with a blank setup and did the proposed "svn co svn:// rockbox"
10:55:46*LinusN wishes hcl could do that too
10:56:57pondlifeIf I delete configure and re-checkout, I get the errors again :(
10:57:34LinusNpondlife: it probably has something to do with your cygwin installation
10:57:54pondlifeIndeed, but I'm not sure what. The same worked fine with CVS.
10:58:27amiconnpondlife: I tried the same as you, clean svn checkout and then configure and build, on cygwin.
10:58:33amiconnWorking fine
10:58:46pondlifeJust doing a binary compare of the files...
10:58:47B4gderare you both using the cygwin svn client?
10:58:57LinusNi am
10:59:24Mikachumaybe you have cygwin configured differently, i seem to remember there was a setting during setup about line endings
10:59:25amiconnme too
10:59:30LinusNMikachu: yes there is
10:59:31pondlifeI think I am
11:00:10pondlifeHow do I get a version number or whatever?
11:00:34amiconnsvn −−version
11:01:49pondlifesvn, version 1.3.1 (r19032) compiled Mar 30 2006, 02:41:28
11:02:31amiconnsvn, version 1.4.2 (r22196)
11:02:31amiconn compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55
11:02:40LinusNsvn, version 1.4.2 (r22196)
11:02:40LinusN compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55
11:02:48pondlifeOK. looks like I need to run Cygwin setup again?
11:03:09amiconnIirc pixelma said that the cygwin installer offers both svn 1.3 and 1.4
11:03:09LinusNworth a try
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11:06:18bluebrotherLOL. subversion configure looks for apr and suggests to grab it using ... svn
11:08:48pondlifeGreat, that fixed it
11:08:53pondlifeThanks guys
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11:09:52amiconnOK, so big fat warning for cygwin users: don't use svn 1.3.x, but svn 1.4.x
11:10:09amiconnMaybe that applies to other systems as well
11:10:15pondlifePop it on the front page so non-IRC users know what's going on too.
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11:12:12XavierGrso to download svn in linux you just type apt-get install svn?
11:12:39Mikachuonly complaint with svn is the checkout takes up twice as much space
11:13:32bluebrotherthe checkout is twice as big? How come?
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11:13:49Mikachuit stores all unmodified files in .svn/
11:13:50safetydanbluebrother, svn keeps two copies so diffs don't need the server
11:14:06safetydanmakes disconnected working a bit nicer
11:14:27Mikachui guess it makes the server a bit happier as well
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11:14:57B4gderxaviergr: apt-get install subversion
11:15:25XavierGrok let me try this in vmware
11:15:27B4gderhaving the full copy twice also enables commits to send diffs
11:15:36B4gdercvs always send the whole file on commit
11:16:14pondlifeGood stuff - hopefully this means less worrying that someone else might lose work when I commit.
11:16:47pondlifeAre commits diff-based by default? I'll have to read that page you posted earlier I guess...
11:17:08B4gderthe commits are always diffs, yes
11:17:10bluebrotherah. Would be nice for working when travelling
11:17:34B4gderbut not the diffs you see with "svn diff" but binary ones
11:17:42amiconnB4gder: How does this work for binary files?
11:17:48B4gderthe diff is binary
11:18:16*amiconn wonders how 'svn diff' handles binary files
11:18:25Mikachulets see
11:18:33B4gderyou can mark them as binary
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11:19:09B4gderwhich I'm not sure wheter they are now with the conversion
11:19:14MikachuIndex: rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp
11:19:14MikachuCannot display: file marked as a binary type.
11:19:14DBUGEnqueued KICK Mikachu
11:19:14Mikachusvn:mime-type = application/octet-stream
11:20:13safetydanWhat about keywords?
11:20:44safetydanah, I see svn:keywords is already there
11:20:51Mikachuthere are quite a lot of source files marked +x
11:20:54B4gdertry the svn book for a good tutorial, it is really fine and is online and everything
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11:26:10XavierGrso how do I anonymously checkout the source from rockbox with svn?
11:26:28Mikachusvn co svn:// rockbox
11:28:12XavierGrI will try rockbox-devel instead though
11:28:42Mikachuthe last argument is what to call the dir locally
11:30:39bluebrotherhmm. So I could svn co svn:// Or only what the local dir will be named?
11:30:45XavierGri remember that with the cvs version rockbox didn't include the simulator
11:31:10XavierGror maybe it was in the path instead
11:31:15amiconnThe checkout doesn't include the www/ module ...
11:31:15Mikachubluebrother: that's not the last argument :)
11:31:22bluebrotheraaah :D
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11:31:27*bluebrother is dumb
11:31:39bluebrotherI already wondered how that should work
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11:31:53Mikachubut you can for example do svn:// if there was such a branch
11:32:06Mikachu2007-01-08 23:52 bjst
11:32:06Mikachu* [r11952] www, www: Splitting out www
11:32:33scorcheXavierGr: and gdb code
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11:41:47XavierGrit's been so long since my last checkout that I have forgotten how to compile rockbox
11:41:58*XavierGr goes back to read the wiki
11:42:26safetydancd rockbox; mkdir build; cd build; ../tools/configure; make && make fullzip
11:42:29safetydanor something like that
11:42:57XavierGryeah, now slowly all comes to mind bit by bit :P
11:43:19XavierGrthough I have to see my own aliases for these
11:47:21XavierGrnew configure screen!
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11:49:24fsdfsfddfashey is rockbox set to reduce the backlight time when the battery is low?
11:49:50decayedcelldon't think its auto
11:49:54decayedcelltho you could suggest it
11:50:11BHSPitLappywhy don't you just have a short backlight time.
11:50:22fsdfsfddfaswell i ahve it set for 5 secconds
11:50:28decayedcelli have it for 1
11:50:31decayedcelland fade out for 2
11:50:47fsdfsfddfascurrently my battery level has about 27mins left
11:50:47BHSPitLappythen you're killing the battery on purpose, shortening your play time anyway.
11:50:50fsdfsfddfasand its turning of instantly
11:51:02BHSPitLappyI thought you were making a proposal.
11:51:15fsdfsfddfasim trying to determine wether its a feature or a glitch
11:51:17BHSPitLappythat sounds really odd.
11:51:23BHSPitLappyI don't think it's a feature.
11:51:23scorchei have seen the same behavior with my nano
11:51:28BHSPitLappyCould be wrong.
11:51:35fsdfsfddfasim running it on a gigabeat
11:51:43fsdfsfddfasi wonder
11:51:54fsdfsfddfasill see what happens after its fully charged
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11:52:27fsdfsfddfasalthough i do think it would be a pretty nice feature to include, any one else agree?
11:52:39Mikachunot really
11:52:49Mikachuwhy would you want to use more battery just because there's more left?
11:53:04decayedcellhe suggested
11:53:07GodEaterWebamiconn - do you read the forums much / ever ?
11:53:08decayedcellto shorten the backlight time
11:53:17decayedcellwhen the battery is low
11:53:17decayedcellthus saving power?
11:53:18Mikachuit doesn't really matter if the timer is shorter during the first or last hour of usage
11:53:28decayedcellshouldn't a lower backlight time use less power
11:53:32decayedcellbecause its on for shorter
11:53:43LinusNyes, but why only when the battery is low?
11:53:44Mikachuyes, of course, but why have it longer when you don't have a low battery?
11:53:47BHSPitLappydecayedcell, but why is it set longer, when the battery is high.
11:53:50fsdfsfddfasi think i understand what mikachu is saying, the difference is negligable
11:53:58decayedcellbecause the f guy wants it that way i dunno lol
11:54:13BHSPitLappyyou're shortening your battery life MORE by setting it long to begin with, than you would save by doing that feature.
11:54:24decayedcellso yeh
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11:54:27decayedcellthe logical option
11:54:28scorcheit isnt just the gigabeats, as i said before
11:54:30BHSPitLappythat's a hard thought to communicate.
11:54:30decayedcellwould be to have it short
11:54:34decayedcellin the first place
11:54:42amiconnGodEaterWeb: Not anymore, only when someone points me to a post or thread
11:54:47*Mikachu takes decayedcell's enter key
11:54:52GodEaterWebwell take a look at the 80GB port thread then
11:54:58*decayedcell oh noes
11:55:04amiconnThe useful content / jabber ratio has become too low
11:55:12decayedcellhmm it would save a little bit
11:55:17GodEaterWebamiconn: very true - but this one might interest you :)
11:55:18decayedcelli guess that was his main point
11:55:36decayedcellbut the power saving is not worthy of the effort into coding
11:55:43decayedcellas er wats his name said
11:55:50GodEaterWebamiconn: to save you hunting :
11:55:58LinusNGodEaterWeb: are you talking about the funding ideas?
11:56:10*amiconn hates some aspects of ff 2.0 :/
11:56:20fsdfsfddfasso if this isnt a feature why is rockbox doing this? lol.
11:56:23GodEaterWebyeah - I just want to make sure amiconn knows he's been volunteered and make sure he's either interested or not :)
11:56:39GodEaterWebI know he's a busy chap
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11:59:41*amiconn has no interest in permanently acquiring an ipod video
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11:59:58amiconnI'd rather want an 80GB disk for my H1x0, but that's a different story
12:00:02fsdfsfddfaswhat did i do wrong?
12:00:07scorcheQuazgaa: you are done >_>
12:00:57Mikachufsdfsfddfas: /
12:01:09pixelmafsdfsfddfas: slash not backslash...
12:01:22B4gderamiconn: we could buy you one if you wanted to investigate/help, and then you should ship it off to someone else.
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12:01:43GodEaterWebamiconn : will you post to that effect then ? I never actually expected anyone to step up and volunteer in the first place - so I feel kind of guilty now =/
12:02:45B4gderhm I meant to write you "could", not "should" ...
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12:03:06GodEaterWebweird - I read "could" and not "should" :)
12:03:35B4gderbuilt-in spell checking brain?
12:03:42jbame too
12:04:34B4gderthat's what reading too much IRC does to you :-)
12:04:37GodEaterWebI guess I got the context from the first part of the sentence, and sort of skimmed the rest
12:05:15*scorche goes about making a new VMware image
12:06:04Mikachuscorche: ping me if you want me to update my mirror
12:06:15scorchei will
12:06:38scorcheassuming i am successful
12:06:45*scorche has never created an image before
12:07:12GodEaterWebheh - it's not too tough :)
12:07:27scorchei wouldnt imagine it being so, but you never know ;)
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12:08:53LinusNi'm thinking about building a device to connect a logic analyzer to the hard drive on my 80gb ipod
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12:11:02LinusNholy moses, there's not much spare room in the ipod case :-)
12:11:32BHSPitLappyif there was, they would have just made a smaller one... ;)
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12:13:31decayedcelltried the usb power adaptor + ipod + rockbox today
12:13:42decayedcellusb logo comes up
12:13:46decayedcellthen it restarts
12:13:55decayedcellstarts up with the please do not disconnect screen
12:14:00decayedcellthen reboots again, and this loops
12:14:04decayedcellanyone else have the same problem?
12:14:20scorcheas in plugging it into the wall?
12:14:36scorchehold menu while inserting the cable
12:15:23decayedcellah beautiful
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12:18:31*GodEaterWeb has just looked at pricing for logic analyzers and nearly fainted
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12:25:48LinusNok, i need two zif connectors, and straight strip and a pin header
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12:28:09GodEaterWebeasy to source ?
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12:31:22decayedcellconfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
12:35:29LinusNok, got the 40-pin zif
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12:47:18decayedcellbah nvm fixed it
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13:28:10JdGordonhey Nico_P, you around?
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13:32:33Nico_PJdGordon: hi
13:32:46Nico_Pi don't have much time though, classes soon
13:32:54JdGordonyou working on metadata on buffer are you?
13:33:37Nico_Pnot sure i could say that... all i've done so far is look at playback.c searching for places where i'd need to make changes
13:34:08Nico_Pcurrently i'm working on a project for my school so i'm not full time on rockbox
13:34:14JdGordonhaha, ok.. well good luck
13:34:31Nico_Phave you had a look at my latest cuesheet patch ?
13:35:12JdGordononly the description... just got back from holidays today
13:35:39Nico_Pit seems to work pretty well
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13:36:35Nico_PI'm hoping to get it committed soon
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13:37:13JdGordononce cvs access is back we'll have a look-see :)
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13:39:21Bagderrhopefully cvs access won't come back ;-)
13:39:34JdGordon:'( so much for that then
13:39:42Bagderrwe're going svn
13:39:43JdGordonbah, you know what i mean
13:39:59*JdGordon pulls the 11.40pm holiday mode trump card
13:40:15JdGordonanything I can help with in the conversion?
13:41:05BagderrI don't think so
13:41:37JdGordonany idea how long untill commit access is up again?
13:42:02Nico_PJdGordon: will you still be there in a bit more tha 4 hours ?
13:42:23JdGordonNico_P: not a chance... 10+ hours i will be
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13:50:17pondlifeIs there a metadata-on-buffer wiki page?
13:50:37pondlifeOops, missed both JDGordon and Nico_P
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13:55:01Bagderrnew main server is about to get ordered
13:55:23Bagderrdual 270 opteron 2GHz, 4GB RAM, 300 GB SATA
13:55:48Bagderrit'll be a nice build server
13:56:24Mikachuicculus has something like that too, it's fun to ssh to :)
13:56:34Mikachu(where openbox is hosted)
13:56:34scorchemind ordering one for me too? =P
13:57:00scorchei promise i will set it up as a build server! ;)
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13:58:52jbahow come rockbox charge in usb mode on an ipod is so slow?
13:59:13Mikachuthere's a knob that says "charge faster", but we don't know where it is
13:59:14jbaor is it that the usb mode rockbox invokes on the ipod is such a high power consumer?
13:59:35Lloreanjba: Are you referring to "Emergency Disk Mode" or charging in-rockbox without access to the disk?
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13:59:55LloreanThe Disk Mode is still Apple software, so we have nothing to do with it.
14:00:13jbaLlorean, that's what i thought
14:00:21LloreanIn-Rockbox it only draws 1/5 of the normal power. That combined with the fact that Rockbox uses more power than it should right now means really slow charging, if at all.
14:00:27Mikachuit's possible the emergency mode also doesn't enable full charge speed
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14:01:18jbawhen holding menu on usb insert, so "usb charge mode" not usb disk mode, is it that we aren't talking to the charging circuit properly?
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14:03:18Lloreanjba: We barely know anything about the USB hardware.
14:03:35LloreanWell, possibly more now, but not much has been done with it yet as that's recent.
14:04:19Mikachuwe do?
14:04:29jbaokay sleep time
14:04:36jbanight all
14:05:31linuxstbMikachu: MrH had another moment of divine inspiration and discovered that the PP's USB hardware is the same as another chip, and that other chip has documentation...
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14:05:56LloreanMikachu: Also see the commit from 20 Dec 15:28
14:07:17Mikachuah, i remember i had to move my hotstuff hack but i never read the message :)
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14:09:46roolkubagder: there seems to be a problem with (some) binaries in the svn - I compared the bmps in a fresh checkout against the tarball and 125 were different (mainly the odd 0x0d or 0x0a added)
14:10:17roolkubagder: also the concerned files don't have the octet-stream attribute
14:11:03roolkubagder: an example is: apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.138x46x2.bmp
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14:14:47Bagderronce we have fixed svn access properly, "anyone" can fix those issues
14:15:05Bagderrat least I t hink so
14:15:39Bagderrroolku: is that using cygwin svn 1.4?
14:15:39roolkunot sure what you mean? Everyone gets commit access?
14:15:52Bagderrno, but everyone that should have access will get it
14:15:54roolkuno the latest tortoise svn
14:16:06MikachuBagderr: i got diffs between cvs and svn too with some bmps
14:16:32Mikachu-0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0d0d 000d 0e0e
14:16:32Mikachu+0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0a0a 000a 0e0e
14:16:55Bagderrisn't that for the same reason?
14:17:11Mikachui just wanted to rule out cygwin strangeness
14:17:17Bagderrah, ok
14:21:14pixelmaare these affected bitmaps in apps/bitmaps/native?
14:21:35pixelmaah... rockboxlogo is
14:21:59*pixelma reads again...
14:22:15linuxstbI'm getting differences with the rockblox bitmaps as well - they weren't committed to CVS with -kb
14:23:12scorchewas there a particular reason why we named the 7zip file Debian-2?
14:23:15roolkumaybe they got corrupted in the cvs-> svn transfer?
14:23:23Mikachuscorche: it was Debian.7z before that
14:24:10Lloreanscorche: It's the second iteration of the kit.
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14:24:27scorcheso i should name it Debian-3?
14:24:29LloreanThe first one didn't have a GUI at all.
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14:24:41LloreanSo you couldn't play with simulators
14:25:04Mikachuthat would be the logical choice
14:25:10pixelmalinuxstb: really? I think I did...
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14:25:52linuxstbpixelma: I think it's the bitmaps you didn't commit...
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14:26:13linuxstbi.e. all the ones from September 2006, plus the 240x320 gigabeat
14:26:45scorchefollow-up: anyone happen to know what compression settings i should use? (i never use 7zip really)
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14:27:11Mikachui think there's only one max compression switch
14:27:41scorchethere is maximum and ultra
14:28:17scorchethere are alos settings for compression method, dictionary size, and word size...among a few others
14:28:29Mikachuthe man settings gives this example
14:28:34Mikachu 7za a -t7z -m0=lzma -mx=9 -mfb=64 -md=32m -ms=on archive.7z dir1
14:28:39Mikachuthe man page rather
14:30:34scorcheultra it is
14:32:07Bagderrand it takes loooong time to compress it
14:32:14scorcheno kidding
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14:35:15Mikachuyou'll save people downloading it more than that probably
14:42:24*Bagderr watches a belgian weather forecast stream over and over and over and over...
14:43:09Mikachuwhy does the vmware page have instructions for running windows applications in wine?
14:43:14*scorche senses that there is a joke he is not getting
14:43:30Bagderrits not a joke, its my job! :-P
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14:43:51Bagderrnot to watch it perhaps, but to make sw for the box showing it
14:43:52GodEaterWebthey couldn't pay me enough
14:45:08scorchebefore i let this get too far, was there anything else besides make and svn to be updated/installed for the image?
14:45:10*GodEaterWeb is debugging a websphere app today. It's not exciting.
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14:54:36LloreanAnyone know about X5 charging here? I got the impression that charging was hardware regulated on most of our targets, but the last post from RaeNye seems to contradict that: and I was just wondering if anyone knew more.
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15:03:21goffarockbox charges when on the subpack
15:04:01goffaif you don't get the connection tight (it is easy to have a loose connection) then it doesn't charge
15:04:32goffait has to..because i listen to tunes all night long and most of the day at work
15:04:34LloreanWell the discussion seems to include the possibility that it's dangerous to charge while in-Rockbox.
15:05:01LloreanI wanted to find out if charging was hardware controlled, like it is for most of our newer targets, because that 'dangerous' thing sounds kinda fishy to me.
15:05:27goffai've been using rockbox on my iaudio since 3-28-06
15:05:41goffaso i don't know how dangerous it is
15:06:20goffaunless mine is a ticking time bomb
15:06:55scorchejust dont cut the red wire...
15:07:01LloreanWell, considering most of the players have hardware controlled charging, I didn't think it was likely that you could overcharge in Rockbox just by leaving it plugged in, but I wanted to get an answer from someone familiar with the internals.
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15:07:31goffayeah... well i'm not really familiar with the internals..
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15:15:51Nimdaedoes it ever show a full charge while plugged in?
15:15:54LloreanBagderr: If I were to try to write a letter to Austrian Microsystems, do we know of a human-contact I could give a shot at, or is the only option currently known that request form?
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15:22:18Bagderrllorean: I got the call only after having mailed their sales email address, but I don't have any human contact to recommend no
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15:22:41BagderrI filed a request on the web form several days before what we no response at all
15:22:53Bagderrbefore that even
15:23:06LloreanBagderr: Okay. With PortalPlayer I had found someone who seemed to be relevant, so I'll probably dig through for an email address at their site sometime this week and try a letter similar to the one I sent to PP.
15:23:26LloreanAt least they seem to respond at all.
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15:23:47KoenigsbergHow can I ask rockbox to shuffle?
15:24:17LloreanKoenigsberg: By enabling shuffle? Search the manual for "shuffle"
15:24:37LloreanThere are more than one place you can enable it from.
15:24:46KoenigsbergBut the shuffle on/off only shuffles inside the folder you're in, doesn't it?
15:25:10LloreanIt shuffles the current playlist.
15:25:26Nimdaeif you want to shuffle the entire collection, there are at least 2 ways to do this
15:25:27Bagderrand the mode for the upcoming playlists
15:25:51Nimdaeif you are on directory view, create a playlist for the root folder of your music, then play it with shuffle enabled
15:26:09Nimdaeif you are in id3 tag view, then you don't have to create ap laylist first
15:27:21Koenigsbergah, okay, thanks
15:27:40Koenigsbergone more question... when I enter my /mp3s/ or /flacs/ folder, it says "Dir buffer is full". What does that mean?
15:28:06Bagderrit means you should organize your files better :-)
15:28:16NimdaeBagderr beat me to it
15:28:32KoenigsbergHow so? It's just one folder per album.
15:28:53GodEaterWebmost people do artist/album
15:29:09Nimdaeat the root of my music is each artist, then down one level is each album
15:29:26GodEaterWebbut if you insist on doing just albums, you'll need to read the manual around the setting for maximum number of dir entries
15:29:39Nimdaei have over 3000 songs so it seems to work well
15:30:09Koenigsbergwell, in my mp3 folder i have 7,841 songs in 416 folders
15:30:10amiconnLlorean: Hardware controlled charging is a requirement for LiIon / LoPoly batteries. Everything else would be truely dangerous, rockbox or not
15:30:31Koenigsbergdoes it mean it reached the max number of dirs it can display at once, so some aren't being displayed?
15:30:43Nimdaewow, there's only the source archive on the cvs builds page?
15:31:13Lloreanamiconn: So, the charging is independent of the firmware?
15:31:35LloreanNimdae: Nobody can check into CVS right now anyway.
15:31:36linuxstbKoenigsberg: Try increasing the "Max files in dir" setting - your 416 folders are beyond the default 400.
15:31:59Bagderrnimdae: yeah, I deleted the others when I copied the lot over to the new server
15:32:11amiconnLlorean: All the firmware can do (depending on the charging chip) is to select whether it charges at all, and the maximum charging current
15:32:16Bagderrthe daily builds are now equivalent anyway
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15:32:31Nimdaei just need the source tarball anyway
15:32:43amiconnThat's why charging in rockbox is slow on iPod - we don't know how to switch the charging chip between low & high current
15:33:41NimdaeBagderr: doh, the source tarball 404s
15:34:17Bagderrthe cvs one?
15:34:24Nimdaeboth cvs and daily
15:34:26Bagderrtry the daily one then
15:34:58Genre9mp3Quick question: "Enable ROM file generation for H120/H140." what does this practically means?
15:35:17Bagderrnimdae: then try
15:36:02LloreanGenre9mp3: Probably an aspect of Rockbox-in-flash advancing.
15:36:20Nimdaethat works
15:36:39Nimdaeooo nice and fast too
15:36:52Lloreanamiconn: So I was right in assuming "Rockbox can't allow charging on X5 to be any more harmful than it already is/isn't"?
15:37:02Nimdaeat least relatively
15:37:04Bagderryeah the dl server is on a fine connection
15:37:11Genre9mp3Llorean: We already could flash on H120/H140
15:37:37Nimdaeanyway, i must get ready for work, i'll do my builds from there :)
15:38:24LloreanGenre9mp3: That's why I said "advancing". Just because we can doesn't mean it can't advance. :-P
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15:39:40Genre9mp3hehe.. sure... I guess Slasheri could bring some light on this
15:39:44LloreanGenre9mp3: It seems to generate rombox for H120/H140
15:39:59LloreanI'm guessing it's bringing it more into line with flashing procedured for the Archoses.
15:40:03amiconnYes, it means running directly from rom
15:40:31amiconnFlashing a standard rockbox build just means loading the image from rom instead of disk
15:40:49amiconn...but still running it from ram
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15:41:17amiconnRunning from rom increases free ram (by code size + read-only data size)
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15:41:29Genre9mp3aha... now I see, thanx amiconn
15:41:46Genre9mp3the flashing procedure has to change with this though?
15:42:25goffaheh.. that scared me
15:42:32goffaonly had my gigabeat on for 2 hours
15:42:45goffait shut off due to inactivity on pause
15:42:55goffai tried to power it up.. got the message "recharge battery"
15:43:24goffawas thinking i'd have to sit here at work without tunes for 3.5 hours :)
15:43:41goffaluckily shutting the battery off, turning it back on.. and powering up set me at 80%
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15:46:20SlasheriGenre9mp3: yes, new version of the bootloader and flashing plugin is on its way
15:46:55Genre9mp3Slasheri: nice
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15:47:15*Genre9mp3 hopes for a similar progress with H300
15:47:36Slasheribootloader contains numerous minor fixes and some new features (for example the failsafe menu)
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15:52:22bluebrotherfailsafe menu? What will that do?
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15:57:27Slasheribluebrother: it is possible to select the boot method and set a default boot method (from disk/ram/rom/shutdown)
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15:58:42bluebrothercool :)
15:59:37Slasherithat menu is also automatically activated if rockbox crashes or fails to boot
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16:03:44bluebrotherwhich devices does this affect? h100, h300 or both?
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16:04:24Genre9mp3Slasheri: rombox is a special version of the firmware or it doesn't matter?
16:04:41Genre9mp3s/is/needs to be
16:05:10Slasheriyes, it's specially linked version of rockbox (should be already included in daily builds, can be found .rockbox/rombox.iriver)
16:05:33Slasheribut you can still put the ram image in flash also
16:06:17Genre9mp3So one can choose which one to flash...
16:06:26Slasheritrue, or flash them both
16:06:39Genre9mp3flash them both?
16:06:47Slasheriit's generally a good idea to have always a working version of rombox
16:06:57Genre9mp3They can co-exist?
16:07:12Slasheribecause if bootloaders fails for some reason, rombox can be loaded very early
16:07:20Slasheriyep, they can
16:07:52Genre9mp3hmm... H100 ROM chip is 2MB, right?
16:08:24Slasherirockbox uses only something like 300 KiB
16:08:38Genre9mp3So you could have 6 of them :)
16:08:42Slasheriso there is a plenty of room to have both versions of rockbox
16:08:49Genre9mp3how much the bootloader takes?
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16:09:05Slasherihehe, in theory. But currently only two versions can be put in flash
16:09:28Slasheriit uses one erasable section on flash memory, 64 KiB
16:10:07Genre9mp3Do you happen to know how much the retailOS takes?
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16:10:26Slasheriit takes almost the full 2MiB
16:10:50Slasheriso there is no room to enlarge the bootloader section to 128 KiB for example
16:11:44Slasheriprobably that's because retailos has everything in flash.. fonts, images etc.
16:11:58Genre9mp3OK... now I understand how you can choose between rom/ram in failsafe menu
16:12:16Genre9mp3what's the shutdown option do?
16:12:39Slasheriit's the default option when hold switch is on (hold is also used to access that menu)
16:12:50Slasheriso player just turns off after the timeout
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16:14:43Genre9mp3Slasheri: nice additions
16:16:08bluebrotherwill the bootloader show the battery level in that case?
16:16:23bluebrotherI recently wanted to know the level of the battery without turning on.
16:16:41bluebrotherBut turning on with hold enabled simply turns of ...
16:17:00Slasheribluebrother: hmm, a good idea
16:17:18Slasheribluebrother: maybe i could add that too. But currently the level is just the voltage level, not calibrated percentage level
16:17:32pondlifeSlasheri: Do you know if there's an H300 bootloader update on the way (hint)? Maybe one that allows the non-LCD remote to power up the device (hint hint)...?
16:17:32bluebrotheris that menu soemthing like graphical? A screenshot would be interesting ;-)
16:17:36Slasheriin usb mode, the level is also displayed
16:17:41Slasheribluebrother: no
16:17:49bluebrothervoltage level should be sufficient imo
16:18:11bluebrotherhow do you choose between the options? Various buttons?
16:18:11Slasheripondlife: hmm, i have no idea about the H300 :)
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16:18:38Slasheribluebrother: there is a text based menu with text based arrows :)
16:18:50bluebrotherah. Nice.
16:18:58Slasheriso you move the arrow like navigating with the joystick
16:19:04bluebrotherASCII-Art can be quite nice
16:19:11pondlifeSlasheri: So the H300 bootloader is completely different from the H100?
16:19:14Slasheriand pressing REC button, makes the choise the default (saved in EEPROM)
16:19:29Slasheripondlife: well, it is just missing a lot of features
16:19:38Slasheriit still uses the same source file
16:20:12pondlifeOne day I'll get brave enough to build a bootloader.
16:20:33Slasherihehe, just ask Linus to try the compiled binary first :)
16:20:43Slasheriand then port the iriver_flash -plugin etc. for H300 :)
16:20:54*bluebrother still waits for the day we can load the OF from disk. Not too much use, but would be somewhat cool
16:21:09Slasheribluebrother: i doubt that will ever happen
16:21:54pondlifeWhat sort of thing is missing from the H300 code? USB?
16:22:20Slasheriprobably that is the most important missing feature
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16:23:27pondlifeWhere is the bootloader source? There's not much in rockbox/bootloader...
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16:25:29pondlifeAh, we also have rockbox/flash/bootloader.
16:26:01Genre9mp3wow.. H300 ROM chip is 4MB!
16:27:35*pondlife doesn't get it. Perhaps he also thinks "this bootloader source needs target-treeing".
16:27:37Slasheripondlife: bootloader/main.c
16:27:55Slasheribut that is the old version until i commit rest of the patch
16:28:03pondlifeWhere are the H300 #ifdefs I expected to see then?
16:28:11Slasheriin that file
16:28:30Slasheriyou need to cvs co bootloader
16:28:36pondlifeHaha, they are #ifndefs
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16:29:57pondlifeThe USB stuff seems to be present for H300.
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16:52:30DMJC-LI've got a h140 iriver
16:52:44DMJC-Lthe a-b and record buttons don't seem to work in the emulator
16:52:50DMJC-Leg they don
16:52:54DMJC-L't do start
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19:08:44Kingstoneanyone knows where is macworld 2007?
19:08:50Kingstonewhere can i see upcoming events
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19:15:47w1ll14m|awayquestion whats the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX ????
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19:16:21w1ll14m|awayis it just info for the debug menu, or is it more than that?
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19:30:29LithiumTRHowdy all
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19:34:41LithiumTRAnyone there?
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19:41:53low_lightwow...have to admit that the iphone *looks* cool
19:42:15crwlnow, when will rockbox support it? :F
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19:43:10low_lightaudio + video + phone + internet
19:43:38w1ll14mnice :) rockbox on it.... with phone support ... and ll buy one :)
19:44:50w1ll14mstrange that Apple give's the name iPhone.... as the name is registered by linksys (aka cisco)
19:45:08crwli guess they have paid a dollar or two for the name...
19:45:33w1ll14mhmmm could be.... but then, you should find that info on the net i think....
19:46:25w1ll14mcrwl, do you know the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX as it is defined in firmware/export/system.h ?
19:46:37low_lightmust have a hefty cpu if it's running osx
19:46:39crwlw1ll14m, sorry, no, i'm not a developer :)
19:46:58w1ll14mahh okay, i thought maube you know :)
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19:47:28w1ll14mwell ... i own an ipod 5g, but it's sometimes slow... so i changed a bit of that code, and now it's a LOT faster
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19:47:56w1ll14mwhile i use soft and hardware EQ and decode mp3@320kbps
19:48:34w1ll14mso, thats why i asked :)
19:48:37LloreanWhy would you use software and hardware EQ at the same time?
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19:50:10w1ll14mhmmm well i use soft eq because you can adjust the frequency .... so i boost most of bass with soft eq, and everything above 120Hz is -11.5db, then i use hardware eq for the mid and high tones so it's in some kind of balance...
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19:50:49w1ll14mi own sony in ear bubs lp90 i believe... and they are capable of handling a lot of bass... as i listen to hardcore that's what i like :)
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19:51:05w1ll14mnormaly my GUI is some kind of slow....
19:51:17DogBoywhat is hardcore
19:51:29w1ll14mWell.... do you know trance ?
19:51:37LithiumTRAnyone able to help me with an iPod 5th generation (30GB) that reboots on shutdown?
19:51:45w1ll14mhardcore is 20 times that hard....
19:52:00w1ll14mLithiumTR USB Connected ?
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19:52:14DogBoylike for example
19:52:15w1ll14mDaily build ?
19:52:16LithiumTRI've checked your forums, documentation and Googled
19:52:19LithiumTRYeah, daily build
19:52:26LithiumTRI'll get the version number
19:52:31w1ll14m5.5 g or just 5g?
19:52:36LithiumTR5th generation
19:52:50w1ll14many custom pacthes aplied?
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19:53:14LithiumTRI've tried removing Rockbox, restoring the Apple firmware, then reinstalling, still does it
19:53:14w1ll14mhow do you shutdown ?
19:53:17LithiumTRHold play
19:53:22w1ll14mhmmm .....
19:53:31LithiumTRI get the "Shutting down..." dialogue
19:53:34LithiumTRThen Rockbox reboots
19:53:35w1ll14mAlso with apple firmware it just reboots....
19:53:37low_lightack...$499 & $599 for 4 & 8GB iPhone
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19:53:45LithiumTRI'll test it with the standard Apple firmware now
19:53:57LithiumTROut of interest
19:54:08LithiumTRWhat does the -wf option for the ipodpatcher binary do
19:54:15w1ll14mTo expensive....
19:54:24w1ll14mwrites a new bootloader
19:54:49w1ll14mbootloader or bootloader + apple firmware
19:54:55w1ll14mi think .....
19:55:04LithiumTRRockbox kept rebooting to the original Apple firmware, but by using the -a option, then -wf with rockbox.ipod, it only loads the Rockbox firmware
19:55:12LloreanIt replaces the firmware with whatever .ipod file you point it at.
19:55:21LloreanIt doesn't preserve the firmware part, so it can overwrite the apple firmware.
19:55:24w1ll14mwhile booting try holding play
19:55:32w1ll14mahh k :)
19:55:38w1ll14mi used ..... ipod_fw
19:55:40LithiumTRStill trying to stop it rebooting though
19:55:48LithiumTRRestoring the Apple software now
19:56:17LithiumTRI'm impressed with Rockbox though
19:56:24LithiumTREspecially Doom :P
19:56:28w1ll14myeah me too :)
19:56:41LithiumTRThe iPod turns off fine with the Apple firmware
19:56:50w1ll14myeah :) i like it ... i own it voor psp ;) homebrew ofcourse
19:57:00w1ll14mthats indeed strange.....
19:57:04MikachuLithiumTR: the apple firmware doesn't turn off the ipod
19:57:05w1ll14mwhich bootloader do you use?
19:57:16MikachuLithiumTR: is your usb cable plugged in?
19:57:35w1ll14mtry to create one from soucecode
19:57:42w1ll14mno usb not plugged in....
19:57:48w1ll14msource code*
19:57:59Mikachuplugging in the cable makes the ipod start
19:58:19w1ll14mmikachu, correct but usb is'nt connected
19:58:49Mikachuthen i don't know
19:58:54w1ll14mhehe :)
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19:59:07LithiumTRI'll reinstall Rockbox now
19:59:14LithiumTRAny suggestions/different things to try with ipodpatcher?
19:59:24w1ll14mdo you have linux availible ?
19:59:26linuxstb_LithiumTR: Which ipod do you have?
19:59:33LithiumTR30GB video, 5.0 generation
19:59:49linuxstb_Did you restore to a clean firmware partition before running ipodpatcher?
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20:00:01LithiumTRClean firmware partition?
20:00:13w1ll14myou've reinstalled apple os :)
20:00:14linuxstb_i.e. no bootloaders, just the Apple firmware.
20:00:50linuxstb_Ah, using -wf replaces the Apple firmware with Rockbox...
20:00:55LithiumTRWeird problem
20:01:11LithiumTRRunning ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -d throws up
20:01:15LithiumTR"No bootloader detected"
20:01:30linuxstb_That's because you don't have one...
20:01:39LithiumTRI've just reinstalled Rockbox
20:01:42linuxstb_What does ipodpatcher /dev/sdb −−list show?
20:01:53LithiumTRAnd trying to remove it says it isn't installed
20:02:05LithiumTRImage 1:
20:02:05LithiumTR Main firmware - 7489536 bytes
20:02:05LithiumTRImage 2:
20:02:05DBUGEnqueued KICK LithiumTR
20:02:05LithiumTR RSRC - 5244928 bytes
20:02:05LithiumTRImage 3:
20:02:07LithiumTR AUPD - 1075200 bytes
20:02:08LithiumTRImage 4:
20:02:10LithiumTR HIBE - 33556480 byte
20:02:23linuxstb_That looks like a restored (i.e. Apple firmware only) ipod?
20:02:33LithiumTRYeah, it is
20:02:44linuxstb_So what's the problem?
20:03:10LithiumTR[INFO] Bootloader bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod written to device.
20:03:13LithiumTRWritten the bootloader now
20:03:21LithiumTRI'll show you the new output of −−list
20:03:23linuxstb_That was with the "-a" command?
20:03:33LithiumTRShould I use -wf at all?
20:03:44linuxstb_Make sure the disk icon stops spinning on your ipod's LCD before you unplug...
20:04:06linuxstb_Not if you want to dual-boot with the Apple firmware as well.
20:04:06LithiumTRImage 1:
20:04:06LithiumTR Main firmware - 7489536 bytes
20:04:06LithiumTR Third-party bootloader - 60508 bytes
20:04:06***Alert Mode level 1
20:04:06LithiumTRImage 2:
20:04:06***Alert Mode level 2
20:04:06LithiumTR RSRC - 5244928 bytes
20:04:07***Alert Mode level 3
20:04:07LithiumTRImage 3:
20:04:09LithiumTR AUPD - 1075200 bytes
20:04:11LithiumTRImage 4:
20:04:16LithiumTR HIBE - 33556480 bytes
20:04:21LithiumTRThat's the new output now
20:04:21LithiumTRI don't want to dual boot
20:04:21LithiumTRI only want Rockbox
20:04:38linuxstb_Then the easiest is to write the bootloader using -wf
20:05:02linuxstb_That will then load rockbox from the FAT32 partition - meaning you don't have to use ipodpatcher whenever you install a new version of Rockbox.
20:05:18LithiumTRIt'll load rockbox.ipod from the root?
20:05:33linuxstb_Yes, or from .rockbox/ if you wanted to move it into that folder.
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20:06:06LithiumTRImage 1:
20:06:06LithiumTR Main firmware - 60508 bytes
20:06:06LithiumTRImage 2:
20:06:06***Alert Mode level 4
20:06:06LithiumTR RSRC - 5244928 bytes
20:06:06***Alert Mode level 5
20:06:06LithiumTRImage 3:
20:06:06w1ll14mlinuxstb_ are you developer?
20:06:07***Alert Mode level 6
20:06:07LithiumTR AUPD - 1075200 bytes
20:06:09LithiumTRImage 4:
20:06:11LithiumTR HIBE - 33556480 bytes
20:06:24LithiumTRThat's after running -wf with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
20:06:28linuxstb_LithiumTR: That's perfect.
20:06:48LithiumTRI'll reboot into Rockbox now
20:06:49linuxstb_(but you shouldn't really be pasting that many lines into this IRC channel...)
20:07:06linuxstb_w1ll14m: Yes
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20:07:20LithiumTRShutdown reboots the player
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20:07:32w1ll14mok, can i ask you what the function is of #define CPUFREQ_MAX
20:07:55w1ll14mlinuxstb: is it just info for debug menu ?
20:08:44linuxstbNo, it's used with the set_cpu_frequency() function as well.
20:08:59w1ll14mlithiumtr: i can send you my 'firmware partition' dump wich includes bootloader
20:09:08LithiumTRAre there any settings that could screw up the shutdown?
20:09:08w1ll14mi don't have the reboot bug...
20:09:18w1ll14mnot that i know of.....
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20:09:39linuxstbLithiumTR: What do you mean by "shutdown reboots the player"?
20:09:55w1ll14mlinuxstb: ok, ive changed a bit of code, maybe it's usefull if it is stable, it speeds up my ipod alot.....
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20:10:09LithiumTRI hold play, get "Shutting down...", the LCD goes blank then the Apple logo is displayed and the bootloader starts again
20:10:31Mikachusilly question, you let go of play when it says shutting down, right? :)
20:10:39LithiumTRHaha, yeah
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20:12:12linuxstbLithiumTR: Do you have anything plugged into your ipod (apart from headphones) ?
20:12:22LithiumTRNo, nothing at all
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20:13:17linuxstbWhen Rockbox shuts down the ipod, it tells the power management chip to wake up on one of two conditions - ONKEY (which is either MENU or SELECT), or ONCHARGE (i.e. power plugged in).
20:13:42Mikachui thought that was hardcoded
20:13:51LithiumTRI'm not pressing anything after letting go of play
20:14:01LithiumTRShould I try an older version of rockbox.ipod
20:14:11linuxstbMikachu: No, Rockbox is responsible for setting the wakeup condition.
20:14:18Mikachuwhat happens if it doesn't?
20:14:30CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
20:14:30*Mikachu worries
20:14:32linuxstbLithiumTR: I strongly doubt it would help - that code has been in Rockbox for about a year.
20:14:42linuxstbMikachu: Then your ipod never wakes up....
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20:15:01Mikachuso it could be used for bricking?
20:15:02LithiumTRAny suggestions?
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20:15:25Mikachui guess nobody has consciously tried to set the condition empty, maybe it defaults to some sane settings then
20:15:27linuxstbMikachu: Temporary bricking - the battery will eventually drain...
20:15:44linuxstb(but after a good few weeks I expect)
20:15:55linuxstbLithiumTR: Does anything odd happen in the Apple firmware?
20:16:08LithiumTRThe Apple firmware works fine, although I haven't really used it
20:16:09***Alert Mode OFF
20:16:15linuxstbOr you physically disconnect the battery...
20:16:22LithiumTRI've bought an iPod as I can't find a decent quality Ogg-Vorbis (native) player that doesn't make me want to cry
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20:16:39LithiumTRAnd without Rockbox, the iPod firmware is useless as Ogg-Vorbis support is required for me
20:17:01Mikachui thought rockbox used plain libvorbis tremor with some modifications
20:17:23Mikachumaybe you mean the interface though
20:17:41linuxstbA similar (and also very rare) problem with some ipods was that Rockbox always falsely detected USB when they booted. In that case, the Apple firmware also displayed a charging symbol when there was no power attached.
20:17:53LithiumTRMine doesn't do that
20:18:14LithiumTRThe Apple firmware detects USB connection fine
20:18:19LithiumTRAnd powers off fine
20:18:32LithiumTRI read about the problem with false USB detection in the forums actually
20:18:43linuxstbIf you were adventurous, you could try modifying the wake-up condition, to see which condition your ipod is falsely detecting.
20:18:58LithiumTRThe iPod arrived about ten hours ago, it's literally brand new
20:19:26LithiumTRI've left the iPod to auto power off after 5 minutes of idle time
20:19:31LithiumTRAnd I get the bootloader saying -
20:19:34Mikachuif one were to try something like that, one could drain the battery first
20:19:44LithiumTR"No Retgi1OS detected..."
20:19:52Mikachunot RetailOS?
20:19:57linuxstbIs the hold switch on?
20:20:01LithiumTRYes it is
20:20:07LithiumTRIt warns me on the bootloader
20:20:15linuxstbThat's the trigger to tell the bootloader to start the original firmware (aka RetailOS).
20:20:22linuxstbAnd in your case, it can't find it...
20:20:51linuxstbYou could always leave retailos on your ipod, and reboot into it to shutdown.
20:20:58LithiumTRGood idea
20:21:11Mikachudoesn't retailos just go into sleep mode?
20:21:19linuxstbYes, but it's better than nothing...
20:21:25LithiumTRDumb question, is there any "cleaner" way to reboot into the iPod software
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20:21:39LithiumTROr is it shutdown Rockbox, then activate hold
20:21:48Mikachuyou could try waiting for 24 or 36 hours, or whatever it is, and see what happens when retailos really shuts down
20:22:20LithiumTRThis might be the proble
20:22:25Mikachucould be sort of hard to catch
20:22:34LithiumTRIf I disconnect the iPod from USB after installing Rockbox
20:22:38LithiumTRAnd try to remove the bootloader
20:22:45LithiumTRI get "no bootloader detected" from ipodpatcher
20:22:52LithiumTRYet, before disconnecting I can remove the bootloader
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20:25:25LithiumTRA point worth mentioning
20:25:36LithiumTRWhen disconnecting USB, the battery indicater DOES detect it's no longer plugged in
20:25:43LithiumTRSo the iPod thinks I am pressing menu or select?
20:26:25w1ll14mlithiumtr do you want to try my firmware partition dump ?
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20:26:39w1ll14mjust a sec.... ll pm you
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20:29:38LithiumTRHow do I reboot into Rockbox from the iPod firmware?
20:29:41LithiumTR(Is that even possible)
20:29:55w1ll14mHold menu + select for a few seconds
20:30:07w1ll14mthen it forces a reboot
20:31:29LithiumTRI've got a Linux box, w1ll14m
20:31:45LithiumTRI can't PM you as I'm not registered
20:32:04Mikachuyou can enable getting pms from unregistered people, i forget exactly how though
20:32:09w1ll14mtype /msg register [yourpassword]
20:32:43LithiumTRIs there any way to control the tags used in the WPS
20:32:53w1ll14madd new tags you mean ?
20:32:56Mikachuyou can change the wps
20:33:07w1ll14myeah use nano or some text editor.....
20:33:18LithiumTRIt's not showing the artist
20:33:33LithiumTRThe files are tagged
20:33:48Mikachui think most wpses use the artist tag..
20:33:55w1ll14msometimes rockbox is slow with loading artist.... press pause and wait e sec,,,,
20:34:16w1ll14mafter it has loaded all tracks you should see the artist....
20:34:28w1ll14mlithium, have you registered your nick ?
20:34:48LithiumTRAh, wait, if there's no album tag it won't display the artist
20:35:03Mikachuthat sounds like crazy logic
20:35:26LithiumTRI've got a few hundred singles stuck in a dir, all tagged but obviously no album tag information
20:35:37LithiumTRSo Duran Duran isn't showing up :P
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20:35:40LithiumTRI'll register now
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20:42:57Nimdaeok, ijust read about the new apple iphone
20:43:03Nimdaewhen's the rockbox port for that coming?
20:43:11bluey-never, its vapoware
20:43:29Nimdaeit was showcased at macworld
20:43:40Nimdaeso it's apparently not vaporware anymore
20:43:44Nimdaeit's also on
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20:44:13DogBoywhere on
20:44:25Nimdaethe front-freaking-page
20:44:35DogBoyI was just looking at that
20:44:41MikachuNimdae: same time as any other accessory gets supported is my guess
20:44:59NimdaeMikachu: GREAT! so that means there's a chance! :P
20:45:14Nimdaei was being facetious about the rockbox port, btw
20:45:25DogBoyno kidding
20:48:26DogBoyfunny, I was just looking there earlier
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20:52:53bluey-i`m sure it wont be supported
20:53:00linuxstbHmm, from the iphone website: "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."
20:53:09Nimdaeit's a phone, i doubt we'll see rockbox on it
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20:53:42bluey-anyway i think its just a toy for the elite or geeks
20:54:01Mikachui would have put "used" somewhere in that disclaimer too
20:55:06Nimdaeit's apparently due out in june
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20:59:43_Nwany lucky people, who managed to run rb on toshiba f-series with old firmware?
21:00:14LithiumTRsh: w1ll14m: command not found
21:00:50Mikachudid you mean /exec -msg w1ll14m or something?
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21:04:13tucozlinuxstb, do you have a link to the iphone website?
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21:07:24LithiumTRNo I don't
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21:11:54dan_aI thought I'd managed to semi-brick a player within an hour of getting it!
21:12:03GodEaternice work :)
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21:12:22dan_aFortunately, I was wrong :D
21:12:32GodEaterthank goodness
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21:17:47dan_aI love having access to the real drive in emergency recovery mode! It makes life so much easier for testing things
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21:19:07GodEaterwhen was that iPhone think launched then? Is it actually available anywhere yet ?
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21:19:41bluey-afaik middle of the year
21:20:10GodEaterand it runs OSX it says. Neat. Posix in your pocket"
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21:21:26tucozlinuxstb, thanks. looks like a pretty phone
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21:21:51Nimdae$600 phone
21:22:02Nimdaethat's allegedly WITH a provider contract
21:22:11Nimdaei COULD be wrong
21:22:25tucozmuch for a phone. but that will not stop the apple zealots
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21:25:39CassandraWonder if 3com or whoever owns the iPhone trademark will sue them.
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21:26:29tucozdon't you think apple have solved that issue before they present their new toy?
21:27:18amiconnMikachu: If you clear the wakeup conditions from the pm chip and then shut down, the ipod won't wake up the normal way. Waiting for the battery to drain would probably take months. The only way to quickly wake it up again would be to open the ipod, disconnect the battery, wait a minute or so and then reconnect the battery
21:27:56Xerionthink linksys owned it
21:28:13tucozis that the same as cisco
21:28:38amiconnOpening an ipod can be tricky depending on the model...
21:28:50tucozthere is a small discussion on the iphone trademark issues in this article,1895,2081051,00.asp
21:29:14linuxstb"Cisco spokeswoman Penny Bruce said the two companies had been in discussions, and it believed that Apple intends to agree to a final document and public statement concerning the trademark."
21:29:36Mikachuamiconn: no way to drain it through one of the pins on the uni.dock contact?
21:29:45*amiconn guesses at least one ipl dev had to learn that the hard way
21:29:56linuxstbamiconn: You're not wrong.
21:30:30tucozXerion, ok. thanks :)
21:30:35tucozfor the link
21:30:41Xerionnp :)
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21:30:43amiconnMikachu: Perhaps, but then deep-discharging LiIon batteries is not recommended
21:30:58Mikachuisn't that what would happen anyway if you waited half a year?
21:31:02Terinjokesi say rockbox for iPhone :D
21:31:03amiconn(but afaik the chip will shut down completely to protect the battery at some voltage point)
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21:31:59amiconnDisconnect-reconnect is definitely the better (and faster, but slightly more involved) way
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21:36:10GodEaternice - the svn co is very quick
21:36:44alberinkah, was just about to ask why CVS commiting was disabled. So CVS is moving to SVN?
21:36:57RedZZRdoes it work on the VMWare image?
21:37:12GodEaterif you do an "apt-get install subversion" I believe so :)
21:37:25alberinkHad noticed already that there were no commits for the day. I already wandered what was up... :)
21:37:28GodEateralthough I couldn't tell you for sure since I don't use the VMWare image
21:37:45RedZZRthanks will try that
21:38:04GodEaterI'm surprised they didn't put something on's front page about it to be honest
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21:38:36GodEateralthough it was posted to the mailing list
21:38:56alberinkOh, I'm sure they'll announce it after all the tooling has been converted to use SVN in place of CVS and the move is complete.
21:38:59pixelmatucoz: still around?
21:39:29amiconnHmm, perhaps the channel topic should tell the reason for disabling cvs?
21:39:40GodEateramiconn: might be an idea :)
21:39:47tucozpixelma, yes
21:40:12GodEateralberink: I think the conversion is already complete - the only thing we're still waiting on is Bagder handing out commit access again
21:40:33GodEaterI just checked out the whole tree again using svn
21:40:33Mode"#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
21:40:56Zagoryes the conversion was done yesterday. we're doodling with various aspects before letting the whorde in :-)
21:41:06Topic"CVS committing is now disabled, CVS => SVN transition in progress." by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
21:41:11tucozi think there are a bunch of scripts still waiting for fixes as well
21:41:19Mode"#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
21:41:22tucozor maybe those are fixed already
21:41:47tucozlike the buildtable script, and frontpage commit messages etc
21:42:05GodEaterI believe there were some issues with some files being moved over as text files when they should have been moved as binaries too
21:42:08alberinkAh well... I understand a move to SVN completely...
21:42:09Zagoryup, work in progress
21:42:15pixelmahi, do you remember why there are two bounce plugin screenshots (files) - one for the ondiofm and the other for the ondiosp (should be the same)?
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21:42:25pixelma@ tucoz
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21:43:02tucozhmm. that could be as a temporary workaround, just when we split the ondio builds
21:43:58tucozi wonder if it is possible to check that now. like when the files were added etc.
21:44:21pixelmaI found on the frontpage that you committed them
21:44:48tucozah. i'll check
21:44:59pixelmaJune 7th
21:46:07tucozyep. I am pretty sure that was done as a temporary measure to fix builderrors for the ondios
21:46:08amiconnHmm, talking about bounce screenshots - they need to be remade for most, if not all, targets
21:47:15tucozpixelma, if you look on the 6th of june, i duplicated a bunch of ondio-screenshots
21:48:31tucozfrom the 5th-7th of june, there were lots of more or less thought through commits made
21:49:17w1ll14mlinuxstb: my boost ratio is now between 65% and 75% :)
21:50:00w1ll14mthat's how it should be ....
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21:52:08tucozso none of the ondios have a rtc?
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21:52:38KyokonIs there any way I can make the left channel a little louder? I'm pretty sure my new headphones are unbalanced, because it always seems the music is more focused on the right channel
21:52:48pixelmatucoz: so a screenshot declaratione of "*-ondio" would suffice now (where there are differences to the other Archos players but the same for both Ondios)?
21:53:03*amiconn wonders what w1ll14m did
21:53:35dan_aamiconn: He changed the maximum CPU on his iPod to 105MHz
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21:54:12amiconnOh, out of specs...
21:54:30tucozpixelma, i know now why there are two files for bounce on the ondios. We can not separate by resolution, as recorder is showing a clock in the background. If there is a \specimg present, this will be used over the resolution one, and we have to separate the two ondios in other cases.
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21:54:51tucozpixelma, like when the screen shows radio etc
21:55:10pixelmayes... figured.
21:56:11tucozi can not think of another way to fix this, unless you want opting which is a worse solution imho.
21:59:33tucozsee you
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22:01:54KCCsomeone overclocked their iPod... would this be possible with a Gigabeat?
22:02:03KCCits already 200mHz if i remember correctly
22:02:26Mikachuwhen i ran my nano at 78 instead of 75 it constantly played audio strangely
22:02:33Mikachui might have done something wrong and ran it way faster, i dunno :)
22:02:42Mikachuit worked when i put it in the fridge :)
22:03:05KCCGigabeat is 300MHz, apologies
22:03:08KCCwhatta beast!
22:05:11amiconnMikachu: Really? 78MHz is still within specs (assuming the maximum clock for pp5021 is the same as for pp5020)
22:05:44amiconnI was able to run my mini G2 reliably at 96MHz (still within specs for pp5022)
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22:06:45linuxstbThat's assuming it really was running at that clock speed.
22:06:54Mikachui am almost certain i did something wrong :)
22:06:55amiconnIt was
22:07:03linuxstb(I'm talking about w1ll14m|away)
22:08:16dan_aI've not worked out what his settings would have taken the speed to
22:08:36KCCwhat are the benefits of overclocking your mp3?
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22:08:45amiconnDid he change CPUFREQ_MAX_MULT ?
22:08:46*dan_a is busy playing with a Samsung YH-820
22:08:48KCCother than something like rockboy, i cant think of any obvious benefits
22:09:38bonbonthejonwould overclocking help decoding skips
22:10:48Mikachuonly if they're very short
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22:11:16bonbonthejonok, because sometimes it skips for maybe half a second
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22:42:33Doomedis there a way to make viewers viewable in the the 'browse plugins'?
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22:43:52kyokonMy stereo is too unbalanced, how can I move sound from the right channel into the left and vice verca?
22:44:04LloreanDoomed: That doesn't even make sense. Viewers can't be launched on their own, so why do it?
22:44:38pixelmakyokon: search for the balance setting in the manual (hint!) ;)
22:44:48MikachuDoomed: move them from viewers/ to rocks/
22:45:13Doomedits just annoying to swtich to 'all' to open a file
22:45:29kyokonbalance doesn't really seem to help, even though it's directly related to the problem (the right ear seems to be louder)
22:45:31Mikachuthat has nothing to do with your previous question
22:45:39LloreanDoomed: What are you switching to "All" to open?
22:45:46Doomedtxt or a video
22:45:53Doomedfrom database
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22:45:54LloreanHave you tried Supported instead of Music?
22:46:00LloreanDon't use database then.
22:46:23Lloreankyokon: No matter how you adjust the balance the right side is always louder?
22:46:27Doomedeh, this is a lot of do this or dont do this
22:47:13linuxstb_Doomed: I think everyone agrees that the database and browser views need to be integrated in some way, but no-one's done it yet.
22:47:31LloreanDoomed: To use a viewer, you *have* to click on a file. So filetree browsing is essential. Either figure out a way to incorporate database in filetree, or filetree in database, or deal with the fact that they're two separate schemes.
22:48:00Doomedi would love to help this project but i dont know any coding skills
22:48:32kyokonLlorean: Well, the balance moves the sound by subtracting from the right and adding to the left, which isn't what I need: I want to put some of the right into the left, without reducing the right.
22:48:54Lloreankyokon: Why not reduce the right, then increase the total by simply upping the volume?
22:49:36Doomedmaybe your headphones are messed up
22:49:46Lloreanlinuxstb_: I think there's also still the question of "Should the filetree show up underneath the database view, or should database be a virtual folder under the filetree?"
22:49:57kyokonLlorean: when I same "subtracting", I don't mean subtracting volume, but sound elements. for example, a cymbal clash, it moves the entire clash into the left channel.
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22:50:23kyokoni'm pretty sure it is my headphones, which irritates me since they're brand new $180 sennheisers that i can't return
22:50:37linuxstb_Llorean: Or a third option - the "root menu" proposal, with database and filetree both being options from that.
22:50:50Doomedi think the way it should be sorted is that there is an option in the db. such as videos, text etc
22:51:15Doomedand they would correlate to a folder like X:\videos, X:\text
22:51:48linuxstb_How would the database organise the video and text files?
22:51:55Lloreankyokon: Balance just adjusts the volume between the two channels. It does not move sound from one to the other. If you think a sound has moved it's just because you can now hear it more clearly in one place than the other.
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22:52:24Doomedby name? but it would be the default db menu, so you have artist album, etc then at the bottom have video and others
22:52:49Doomedor you have a db that steps it out on further, so you would have video, music, text, games
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22:54:05dan_aMaybe have raw disk access as an entry in the DB menu, configurable through tagnavi.conf?
22:54:23Lloreandan_a: That's what my vote is for.
22:55:12bluebrotherI think it would be nice to have an entry in tagnavi.config that allows to set filetype(s) (like music, playlists, etc.) or extension(s) and a new root folder
22:55:12kyokonhmm, that seems strange, i could've sworn it was moving sounds, because even a 2% adjustment to the balance makes a cymbal clash that used to be inaudible on the left, inaudible on the right
22:55:23Doomedi assume dan_as
22:55:30Doomedway would take less coding
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22:56:20Lloreanbluebrother: Much like the check to see whether the Genre is equal to something, but instead whether the extension is equal to something, or the filename contains a specific string?
22:57:00bluebrotheryes, like that. But with the possibility to have a range. I'm thinking of the predefined "Music", "Supported" etc.
22:57:21Doomedbluebrother idea is like mine, since there is only (as of now) a few file types supported for each, mpeg and txt, it could be added to DB
22:57:27dan_aLlorean, bluebrother: Possibly use the viewer to group by filetype?
22:57:29bluebrotherand being able to configure a root folder would be nice for those people who want a specific folder e.g. for images
22:58:31Lloreanbluebrother: Well that could be a "path" entry in the tagcache.
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22:58:50bluebrothermight be an idea. But that would require you to have a matching entry in viewers.config
22:58:54LloreanIf you had tagcache include the path, filename, and extension, and gave the option to display by filename rather than "Title" that would about cover it.
22:58:57bluebrotherwhich is already pretty crowded
22:59:14*bluebrother thinks if there might be a better way grouping file extensions to one viewer plugin
22:59:56bluebrothersomething like fileview : /Music : {Supported} or fileview : /My Music : {mp3,ogg}
23:00:11bluebrothernot sure how this fits into the current tagnavi syntax though
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23:01:41Doomedi kinda have an idea, but i dont know how it could be encorporated
23:01:49bluebrother"My Fileview" -> filesystem -> /starting/folder ? type = mp3 | ogg
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23:02:18Lloreanbluebrother: I think it'd be better to just have tagnavie treat "path" "filename" and "extension" as it does tags. That would allow *most* of what you want already, I think, with some tagnavi editing.
23:02:26Doomedwhat about this
23:02:40Zagorwhy on earth would you want to browse the file tree IN the database?
23:02:44dan_aIdeally you would be able to do fileview : /My Music : {Audio}\n fileview : /Pictures : {Images}\n
23:02:50LloreanZagor: For formats that don't have *any* metadata.
23:03:05bluebrotherLlorean, yes, I think that would be sufficient
23:03:07LloreanZagor: As well as videos, text files, and other things that would normally require flipping back and forth.
23:03:10ZagorI repeat: then why in the database?
23:03:13Doomedthen it should be sorted by file type, jpg, txt, .mpeg
23:03:16Lloreanbluebrother: It would also keep things very consistent.
23:03:34Aloneaok, I did a silly thing. I usually listen to music before I sleep and I had the lcd setting to go off on 90 secs while hold button was on. Well, it would go off, but every couple minutes it would turn back on again. I was basically half asleep and I kinda turned off my lcd to the point of where I can't get it back on because I can't see the menus...
23:03:43Zagorthe database is there precisely to handle metadata. without metadata, there is no point in adding files to the db.
23:03:46bluebrotherusing {mp3,ogg} instead of having {Audio} should be ok.
23:03:47LloreanZagor: Primarily because some people want to only use database, and I think indexing filename, extension, and path would allow a custom tagnavi to cover most of what they want without overcomplicating things.
23:04:01LloreanTechnically those are Metadata anyway, in a way.
23:04:22ZagorLlorean: then fool them by adding a virtual folder that takes them to the file browser. don't spend code and sweat duplicating it in the db.
23:04:47dan_aZagor: I don't think the files would be *in* the database, but rather the overall file browser would be changed so that Database and File views were mixed
23:04:53LloreanZagor: The virtual folder that takes them to the file browser was the first suggestion. We were exploring other options.
23:04:53DJRed2000is the rockbox GUI written in C?
23:05:11Zagordan_a: ok, then I understand
23:05:19bluebrotherbut adding a virtual folder you can configure what files it displays (read: view) and where it starts is mostly the same, isn't it?
23:05:20ZagorLlorean: right. carry on :-)
23:05:37bluebrotherDJRed2000, yes
23:05:42bluebrotherwith parts in assembler
23:05:49Zagorbluebrother: no, you're making it too complex.
23:05:56Doomedit wouldnt even have to be in the db, just link it to a default folder, like videos, just to show them in db view, but showing in a file tree view, is that what you were saying Llorean?
23:06:08bluebrotherhehe, might be. I tend to be a complex person :)
23:06:12LloreanZagor: My personal favorite is a virtual folder in the database, and no sign of the database in the normal filetree, but that doesn't offer the kind of customizability people got used to with the tagnavi, so I was coming up with more flexible alternatives, if a bit fluffier.
23:06:28Zagor"people who want an /image folder" will simply create an /image folder. and we can already handle those. we don't need to mess up the database with that.
23:06:55DoomedZagor just have it so that there is the db showing Music, Images, Text, Videos
23:06:59bluebrothersure, but those people will expect when having a virtual folder "Images" in the DB view to open up that folder
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23:07:30Doomedi think this is getting too complicated, ill just watch
23:07:35bluebrotherwhich in turn would require at least being able to specify a root folder for that virtual folder
23:07:38ZagorDoomed: why? what is the advantage in putting text files or images in the db?
23:07:57Doomedease of use
23:07:58bluebrotherI prefer the DB to have only files with metadata, i.e. music
23:08:10Doomedit wouldnt necessarily be in the db
23:08:24ZagorDoomed: are you sure? you will surely confuse at least as many as you help, imho.
23:08:26Doomedbut there would be the option in the db view to see those files
23:08:27linuxstb_It could be nice to add metadata to the database about videos, text files, images etc though...
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23:09:00Doomedit would be a fully featured db then linuxstb and it could be easier to use
23:09:05*Llorean still thinks 'extension' and 'filename' at least qualify as metadata.
23:09:13Doomedi agree
23:09:35Zagorlinuxstb_: do you know a standard for metadata in text files?
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23:09:43Zagoror videos, or images for that matter
23:09:47LloreanAlthough I'm playing a little literal with a definition of the word "metadata" other than the one we seem to be using.
23:10:04LloreanZagor: Videos can have it depending on their container, and same with images, at least jpeg.
23:10:06Doomedheh in windows you can add data to a txt file
23:10:21bluebrotherdata != metadata
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23:10:29Zagorwhen people copy files to a folder on their harddrive, they expect to navigate the harddrive to find them. not a wonking database.
23:10:44DoomedZagor thats besides the point
23:10:53Doomedpeople who dont want DB, dont have to use it
23:11:09LloreanDoomed: And people who are irritated with a missing feature in DB don't have to use it
23:11:10Doomedbut we are thinking of ways to make the db better for those who want to use the DB
23:11:11ZagorDoomed: people who want DB, don't want the bugs you are about to add :-)
23:11:18LloreanDoomed: Any feature added to DB *does* cost non-DB users though.
23:11:22pixelmabluebrother: tex-question. IIUC "\screenshot" builds the patch to the image from what I defined plus -<configured target> or -<resolution>. For the Ondio manuals this leeds to duplication of _some_ files (where the screenshot differs from the other Archos but is the same for both Ondios). Would it be possible to have it search for -<ondio> additionally to avoid that (and would it be worth the effort)?
23:11:41ZagorDoomed: I think you have failed to identify the people who "want to use the db"
23:11:44Doomedim not irrated, im just saying stuff could be added
23:11:49LloreanZagor: See, I think adding 'filename' 'extension' and maybe 'path' as just 3 more database entries won't be likely to add bugs as long as they're treated exactly like tags.
23:11:54Zagoror maybe I wasn't here then
23:12:01Doomedwell if nobody wanted the db it surely wouldnt be in the firmware would it
23:12:16ZagorDoomed: the db for non-metadata files.
23:12:38LloreanZagor: We do get requests for it, so people can play their gameboy games. =/
23:12:40ZagorLlorean: you miss the synchronisation aspect, for one
23:12:52LloreanZagor: Synchronisation aspect?
23:12:52Doomedits been brought up that it doesnt need to be a db
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23:13:05ZagorDoomed: it could be like a ... directory tree
23:13:09bluebrotherpixelma, we could add another check for something like a player class
23:13:18Doomedyour really arent adding to the conversation Zagor
23:13:24DJRed2000are all the GUI files kept in the \apps\gui directory?
23:13:48LloreanDoomed: And you aren't being respectful of other's views.
23:13:49bluebrotherhmm, are there different images between ondio fm and sp?
23:14:14LloreanDoomed: You're suggesting an idea that could make the code buggier, as well as inflating binary size thus affecting non-DB users whether they like it or not, to solve a problem of laziness.
23:14:25pixelmabluebrother: yes because of the radio (for example in the menu)
23:14:26bluebrotherDJRed2000, no.
23:14:31Doomedok, sorry about not seeming to respect others views
23:14:39LloreanThere is nothing preventing you from accessing your files now, you just want to have to go through about 3 less button presses to switch file view modes.
23:14:41pixelma(recording too)
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23:14:44Doomedwould the size truely affect it?
23:14:50ZagorLlorean: yes, adding new files to the db means people need to rebuild/resynchronise the db when copying such files to it. standard procedure for mp3 files, not so common for .jpg files.
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23:15:26LloreanZagor: Ah, well, I'm not really concerned about forcing people to reinitialize their database, but that's just me. As far as I'm concerned, the format isn't finalized yet.
23:15:34LithiumTRAnybody had any experience of shutdown problems with a 30GB 5.5 generation iPod?
23:15:46LloreanAs for the update, it'll only happen if automatic updating is enabled.
23:16:02Doomedbut if we used the idea of just shortcutting to a folder, it wouldnt add to the db at all right?
23:16:13LloreanDoomed: It'd still add code size to the binary.
23:16:16ZagorLlorean: ...and if not, people will be confused. "where are my files"
23:16:43LloreanZagor: Only if they don't know they're using the database, which seems like it would be odd.
23:17:27LloreanZagor: I'm still in favour of the file tree 'link' being added to the database view, I just think if the files are going to be incorporated directly instead, that would be the way to do it.
23:17:43pixelmabluebrother: I'm not sure if we kept an eye on that but this should apply to recorders and fmrecordrs too
23:18:38ZagorLlorean: I'm definitely in favor of a link, and very opposed to adding them to the db.
23:18:58LloreanZagor: Aye, I'm not "very" opposed, but I favour the link.
23:19:07Doomedlinking to one big file tree?
23:19:10*amiconn would prefer the db to be a virtual directory in the filetree root
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23:19:56pixelmabluebrother: oh.. no we didn't... the pure "Recorder" manual shows a screenshot with a "FM radio setting" in the main menu screenshot...
23:20:02Zagoramiconn: clean implementation, but that makes searching a mess.
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23:20:19amiconnZagor: in what way?
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23:21:15Zagoramiconn: combination searches would need duplicated data, would it not? (ie. "pop < 1992")
23:21:35bluebrotherfor recorder vs. fmrecorder the use of \specimg could solve that
23:22:00*amiconn wonders what database searches have to do with the filetree, or where the db is hooked
23:22:04bluebrotherwe could even use \specimg always for recorder screenshots and leave the size for ondio
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23:22:12bluebrotherand when needed separate them ...
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23:23:00Zagoramiconn: meh, I misunderstood you completely. i thought you referred to an old-school pseudo-db implementation in the file tree...
23:23:16bluebrotherdamn, time is too fast today :(
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23:23:30AquatriniHi, if anyone here is working on the sansa, I posted a datasheet for the audio chip in the sansa forum.
23:23:42pixelmabluebrother: I'm not sure I understand at the moment
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23:24:17bluebrotherwe have 4 targets at the same resolution. So we need to decide which is the "generic" screenshot
23:24:43bluebrothercurrently I think this is recorder, and everything else uses the specimg if a different image is needed
23:24:48dan_aAquatrini: Does that give details on how to use the chip, or is it just the 3 page features document?
23:25:13linuxstb_It just looks like the product brief to me...
23:25:21bluebrotherbut we could use -recorder and -recorderv2fm (which is already defined), and leave the images without specimg to the ondio shots
23:25:46LloreanAquatrini: "The material herein may not be reproduced, adapted, merged, translated, stored, or used without the prior written consent of the copyright owner." as well
23:26:00bluebrotherfor screenshots that are identical to all targets it doesn't make a change, and for the others we need to have a look anyway
23:26:44pixelmabluebrother: ondiofm and ondiosp is also already defined. I just tried to think of an easy solution that avoids duplicates
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23:27:18bluebrotherthat's what I am searching for too ;-)
23:27:33Aquatriniok, ok
23:27:41bluebrotherso the question is which players share the most pictures
23:28:04pixelmahehe.. ok. It's only that I don't know much about latex so far
23:28:09bluebrotherthe distinctuion could also be dynamic ...
23:28:31bluebrotherthat's more an organization thing atm.
23:28:49bluebrotherI could extend the macro, but it's a bit messy quite yet because of all those checks
23:29:12dan_aAquatrini: Thanks for your help, anyway :)
23:29:26pixelmabluebrother: I thought the easiest was something like the check you proposed first
23:29:33bluebrotherbtw, maybe we should decide which theme to use for screenshots.
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23:30:22bluebrotheras the default font is quite tiny for the larger sized targets. I think using iCatcher as general theme wouldn't be a bad idea
23:30:36bluebrotherRockbox theme.
23:31:14pixelmaah... but then the wps is explained while "looking" at the default
23:31:27bluebrothercurrently the fonts e.g. are a bit mixed through the screenshots
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23:31:38pixelma(without a screenshot though)
23:32:03bluebrotherwe would need to (a) adjust that or (b) mention both in some way
23:32:33bluebrotherit would solve the small fonts on large displays to some degree
23:32:41pixelmait should be mentioned either way IMO
23:33:08bluebrotherand, as I hope iCatcher gets default somewhen in the future, we would already have the matching screenshots :)
23:33:28pixelmaiCatcher wouldn't explain peakmeters...
23:33:36bluebrothergood point.
23:33:56bluebrotherI still have adding a "all shipped themes" page in the appendix in my head
23:34:28bluebrotherone wps and one main menu screenshot, and a short (like two lines) text for every theme
23:34:55bluebrothercould also give the reader a better impression of themes when starting
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23:35:26pixelmayea.. would be nice
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23:38:34dan_aCan anyone tell me how you go about reverse engineering an LCD driver?
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23:43:16w1ll14mgood night all :) gonna sleep :)
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23:43:45lavi1So, I requested the datasheet for the AS3515 in the sansa players and was told that I could have the datasheet if I signed an NDA. Is there anything I should/could say to the contact at austriamicrosystems at this point, or should I just let it drop?
23:44:40Bagderlavi1: you could always try to explain the situation, how the document under an NDA is worthless to us
23:44:55lavi1oops, forgot to change my nick...
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23:45:19Mikachuyou could read the nda too, maybe it expires
23:45:24Lloreanlavi1: "I represent an open source project. While I could agree not to disclose the document itself to others, code created from it would by necessity need to be open. If there's an agreement we could come to as to what may or may not be disclosed in this code, I hope to at least be allowed some information."
23:45:29Zagorlavid: you could ask why they don't want you to tell people how great their products are. but I doubt you'll even get an answer to that.
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23:46:22Bagderyeah, there are cases where people sign NDAs but still are allowed to release source based on it
23:46:23dan_alavid: What Llorean said, but I would imagine that you personally would have to write the initial audio driver
23:46:35lavidI listed my company as my University... maybe I could use that to my advantage somehow?
23:47:23Bagderlavid: and just to make sure you know, we have found out it is the AS3514 we want ;-) (but it is likely to be very similar)
23:47:27lavidso, should I request the details of the NDA?
23:47:36lavidBagder, yes, I read your post
23:47:46Bagdersure requesting it won't hurt
23:47:46dan_aI don't think it would hurt to have the NDA details
23:48:34lavidadditionally, has the mysterious "MrH" found anything re the DAC?
23:48:59BagderMrH got the data sheet...
23:49:31linuxstb_Did he sign an NDA?
23:49:59Mikachumaybe his contract says something about it though :)
23:50:07Bagderbut it says it isn't for disclosure and he doesn't want to distribute it
23:50:33*bluebrother just noticed he got a svn test checkin notification mail
23:51:13Bagderyeah, commits work and even the commit mails now
23:51:29linuxstb_What's next?
23:51:48linuxstb_And what's left?
23:51:51Mikachui hasard a guess on handing out passwords to devs
23:51:53Bagderplease email me your current CVS username and your (new) preferred password
23:52:00Mikachuwhat do i win?
23:52:00bluebrotherhow much is left?
23:52:05lavidokay, so I should simply request to have the NDA sent to me? Nothing else at this point?
23:52:24Bagderlavid: yes I think you should start with that
23:52:56lavidThat includes not mentioning the reason I want to obtain the datasheet, correct?
23:53:09Bagderyes, save that
23:53:47lavidOkay, I'll respond now.
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23:55:38ElPenguinhi, rockbox hangs a lot on my 1st gen nano, is there any way out of that?
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23:57:35linuxstbElPenguin: What do you mean by "hang"? Does it freeze completely (requiring a reset with MENU+SELECT) ?
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23:57:53*Bagder giggles after seeing
23:58:06Bagdertry the encryption section
23:58:13Bagdervery thorough
23:58:22pixelmaisn't the 1st gen Mini affected by the frequency scaling bug?
23:58:55linuxstbpixelma: Yes, it is.

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