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00:05:36 | * | amiconn wonders whether the vmware image has svn installed |
00:05:45 | Bagder | I wouldn't think so |
00:05:57 | Bagder | "apt-get install subversion" |
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00:06:59 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Anything buildserver admins need to do, apart from make sure svn is installed? |
00:07:00 | * | amiconn installs subversion on his build server |
00:07:23 | * | amiconn prefers gui apps like synaptic |
00:07:26 | Bagder | linuxstb_: I'll provide a description once we have a repo up |
00:07:29 | * | bluebrother notices the time |
00:07:52 | Bagder | linuxstb: it would probably be a matter of doing a checkout and moving the repo somehow |
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00:08:41 | Nico_P | Bagder: when i tried to have the bitmap in the ring buffer i got playback problems |
00:09:19 | Bagder | and those problems aren't fixable? |
00:09:31 | Nico_P | i don't know the playback engine well enough |
00:10:37 | Nico_P | maybe i'll try looking into that again... it was quite some time ago, when i started to work on the patch. since then i've learned a lot about how rockbox works |
00:10:48 | scorche | amiconn: it doesnt |
00:11:21 | preglow | \o/ |
00:11:30 | Nico_P | also another possibility i thought about was to use buffer_alloc at startup, combined with a setting allowing to disable album art |
00:12:45 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: There are also a few more people around nowadays who have worked on the playback code, so if you attempted that approach again, you might get more help. |
00:13:03 | Nico_P | ok |
00:13:50 | Nico_P | maybe i could store cuesheets there too |
00:13:56 | Bagder | http://www.willas-array.com/fbi/product/AMS/Product_Presentation/PORTABLE%20AUDIO_SBU%20COM.pdf |
00:13:58 | Bagder | page 7 |
00:14:01 | Bagder | interesting... |
00:14:53 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: who would i need to talk to to get some advice ? |
00:14:59 | lostlogic | woah. svn. |
00:15:06 | * | lostlogic is slow |
00:16:07 | Zagor | Nico_P: storing only one album art means you need to spin up the disk for every song. no fun. |
00:17:00 | Nico_P | Zagor: actually i was thinking of storing a bit more than that... and that's what is done currently but they are in the WPS image buffer ;) |
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00:17:58 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Just ask here, and see who answers. |
00:18:30 | Nico_P | :) |
00:18:33 | linuxstb_ | But both lowlight and lostlogic (I think) have expressed a desire to work on metadata-on-buffer. |
00:19:26 | lostlogic | 'desire' |
00:19:31 | lostlogic | I wrote a patch once... that kinda sorta worked |
00:19:51 | lostlogic | Nico_P: I think it's still on the wiki... if you want to read it and see what my approach was |
00:20:03 | Nico_P | i'll have a look |
00:21:09 | Nico_P | didn't jhMikeS also work on the playback engine ? |
00:21:26 | lostlogic | yeah, more recently |
00:21:28 | lostlogic | as well as pondlife |
00:21:48 | Nico_P | have you followed the changes they made ? |
00:21:49 | Zagor | lostlogic: btw, are you aware that your build server produces warnings that the others don't? see the yellow-spotted build table. |
00:22:24 | dan_a | Bagder: That's... odd. I was thinking of asking them for an AS3514 datasheet to see if I got a different response. The AS3515 is the one that's billed as being designed to interface with PortalPlayer chips. |
00:22:37 | lostlogic | Zagor: yeah, I'm aware, but haven't found a way to solve it yet −− tried to set the path for the build script, but it didn't listen, so it's still using the system GCC instead of the one that it should |
00:24:28 | Zagor | ok |
00:25:59 | amiconn | something is wrong here... /: |
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00:29:57 | muesli- | are mp3s floating point based? |
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00:45:28 | stevenm | Hello. This morning I found a nasty little MIDI bug causing memory corruption, but I see CVS was just disabled. Will the SVN accounts have to be re-made, or will new passwords be mailed out, or what? |
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00:45:37 | * | Bagder checks out from the svn repo... |
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00:47:30 | Lars_G | Bagder: How's it? |
00:47:32 | Lars_G | is it nice? |
00:47:48 | Bagder | it works |
00:47:56 | Bagder | :-) |
00:48:24 | * | Lars_G tries to think of a way to move his cvs checked out dir to a svn version |
00:49:46 | amiconn | Make a diff of the cvs working copy against cvs, check out a new copy from svn and then patch |
00:49:54 | amiconn | Binary files need to be moved manually |
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00:51:50 | Terinjokes | hey, can anyone read these? |
00:52:28 | dan_a | Terinjokes: read what? |
00:53:58 | Terinjokes | dan_a: anything i type |
00:54:11 | dan_a | Yes :) |
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00:55:00 | scorche | Terinjokes: you are fading out a bit now...move a bit to your left |
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00:57:01 | stevenm | Is there a howto on the rockbox page on how to use SVN? |
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00:57:46 | dan_a | stevenm: Not yet, afaik |
00:58:12 | stevenm | dan_a, do you know how to obtain an SVN account, if you had a CVS account? |
00:58:42 | Terinjokes | dan_a, i'm trying to install gentoo and my network isn't working (i have to unplug/plug my ethernet every 30 secs) |
00:59:00 | dan_a | stevenm: I'm pretty sure that Bagder will send out passwords |
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00:59:15 | stevenm | dan_a, aah ok. Thank you |
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01:01:24 | Bagder | if you feel like walking the edge => "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" |
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01:02:56 | * | dan_a walks the edge |
01:03:29 | dan_a | I notice the first directory to get transferred is CVSROOT... |
01:03:45 | Bagder | uhm |
01:04:26 | zylche | lol |
01:04:33 | Bagder | yeah, we should move that away |
01:05:07 | Bagder | 11953 revisions |
01:05:15 | zylche | *11954 |
01:05:20 | * | linuxstb_ notices a huge speed difference |
01:05:30 | Bagder | hehe |
01:06:06 | amiconn | Bagder: That'd be a read-only checkout, right? |
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01:08:31 | Bagder | yes |
01:08:48 | Bagder | but I think you can commit from it later on when you get user/passwd |
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01:09:09 | Bagder | I need to sleep now |
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01:09:38 | Random_Transit | quick question...can rockbox play video? |
01:09:47 | zylche | technically, but just video. |
01:09:51 | Lars_G | quick response. Just a little |
01:09:57 | linuxstb_ | Why is my SVN "apps" directory 60MB, and the CVS version 30MB? |
01:10:13 | linuxstb_ | Random_Transit: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
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01:10:30 | linuxstb_ | zylche: mpegplayer now plays audio. |
01:10:34 | Bagder | linuxstb: because svn has the repo twice sort of |
01:10:35 | zylche | It does? |
01:10:44 | Bagder | to enable local diffs etc |
01:11:05 | Bagder | btw, here's the golden place for svn docs => http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/index.html |
01:11:11 | linuxstb_ | Why can't it just diff against the repository? |
01:11:29 | Bagder | to allow better offline work and to be able to send diffs on commit |
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01:12:25 | * | Bagder goes to bed |
01:12:26 | Lars_G | Bagder: What are you using? svn, svn+ssh, http? |
01:12:33 | Lars_G | ah he went to bed |
01:12:37 | Zagor | svn only at the moment |
01:12:41 | Lars_G | ok |
01:12:47 | Zagor | we'll add http too later. |
01:12:52 | Alonea | ok, did I miss something? I only see the source archive for download on the CVS page... |
01:13:18 | Zagor | Alonea: we're moving to svn, but it's not ready yet |
01:13:22 | Lars_G | I'm not hot for http but I like svn+ssh for commits not that I can commit |
01:13:30 | Alonea | what is svn? |
01:13:34 | Zagor | subversion |
01:13:40 | Lars_G | an alternative to cvs |
01:14:06 | Alonea | have noooo idea what that is...i never really even knew what cvs stood for. Well, as long as something is happening I am ok. |
01:14:18 | Zagor | Alonea: now I see what you were asking. :-) |
01:14:46 | Zagor | yes, the page is blank due to the move. |
01:15:12 | Alonea | ^^;;; Its like, I have some ideas of things, but I don't know everything. Is it a new type of server thing (or something similar) for updating source changes? |
01:15:33 | Zagor | Alonea: yes, it's a new better revision control system. to keep track of changes to the source code. |
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01:17:19 | Alonea | oh, ok. I kinda get what you mean. I used to have a control system thing when I did sites, but of a completely different sort. (it was a fanfic archive) So I guess it will make things easier for you guys? |
01:18:40 | Zagor | that's the plan :-) |
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01:20:41 | Alonea | sounds like a good plan. When do you think it will be up? |
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01:21:50 | Zagor | it's up already, in a limited fashion. we'll adapt the rest the coming days. |
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01:23:30 | Alonea | oh, okies. Well, I usually check every couple days and get the new CVS (er, now it would be svn) and see what progress has been made. |
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01:25:26 | Lars_G | goatmale: you're here to entice me |
01:25:29 | Lars_G | shoo |
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01:47:20 | goatmale | entice? |
01:47:22 | goatmale | entice what |
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01:47:56 | Lars_G | I'd say but I'd be banned |
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02:03:50 | Alonea | ok, rockbox does not like my wmas... |
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02:06:17 | Nimdae | ahoy |
02:07:16 | Nimdae | "Added fade to car adapter mode pause" |
02:07:20 | Nimdae | that's configurable right? |
02:08:04 | Alonea | on most of them it either skips over the file or says "No File!" yet the file plays fine on my computer. there is no copy protection or drm |
02:08:28 | Nimdae | vbr? |
02:08:39 | Nimdae | using any "weird" settings? |
02:08:42 | pixelma | Alonea: rockbox doesn't support wma (yet) |
02:09:01 | Nimdae | eh? i thought it did :P |
02:09:05 | Nimdae | oh well |
02:09:20 | Alonea | no, no wierd settings..and i thought wma was supported. its on the list of supported formats |
02:09:27 | Alonea | and some of the wmas play. just not all |
02:09:44 | pixelma | are you sure? |
02:10:42 | Alonea | lemme double check real quick |
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02:12:52 | pixelma | AFAIK someone started porting the codec and submitted a patch to the tracker - but I thought it wasn't usable yet (not 100% sure though as I don't even own a swcodec target :D ) |
02:12:54 | Alonea | bah. can't find the list |
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02:13:39 | Alonea | well, I have my rockbox set to show supported formats only and wmas are still listed |
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02:18:12 | Alonea | well, its just as easy to convert to mp3. bought this nice program a couple years ago that has a nice conversion process |
02:20:13 | Alonea | steinburg myMp3 pro. even converts to ogg which some pc games use (Unreal Tournament) and then you can put in custom music. Anyway. wmas tend to be devil incarnate anyway. *grumbles* |
02:20:49 | Nimdae | all of my music is ogg |
02:21:08 | bonbonthejon | Nimdae: does rockbox handle ogg fast enough |
02:21:41 | Nimdae | rockbox handles ogg just like anything else that handles ogg |
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02:22:43 | Nimdae | it just brings ogg to a wider variety of platforms |
02:22:43 | bonbonthejon | yeah, but doesnt the player use a chip for mp3, I'm afraid ogg will go too slow since the processor needs to handle it |
02:23:05 | Nimdae | eh, the whole mp3 decoder chip is a myth |
02:23:15 | bonbonthejon | lol |
02:23:21 | pixelma | Nimdae: not on the Archos ;) |
02:23:28 | Nimdae | except on the archos |
02:23:42 | Nimdae | but i'm sure the cpu on the older archos is too slow for mp3 ;) |
02:24:14 | Nimdae | in any case, my ipod plays oggs about as well as it plays mp3s |
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02:25:22 | scorche | 12 mHz |
02:25:24 | Nimdae | someo f the podcasts i listen to are in mp3, so i do have a comparison |
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02:26:24 | audioengineer | hiya sloth |
02:26:42 | Nimdae | i think rockbox needs a good podcast manager |
02:26:43 | debauched_sloth | hiya |
02:26:49 | Alonea | my oggs run fine. of course the gigabeat has a nice cpu. my rockboy games play well. sound is good along with everything else |
02:28:10 | Nimdae | scorche: the patch that adds the fade to car mode pause...that's configurable right? |
02:28:14 | audioengineer | debauched_sloth: do you know how the charging of the battery is controlled in the gb? |
02:28:21 | Nimdae | because i would have to disable it |
02:28:24 | audioengineer | is it sw or hw |
02:28:44 | debauched_sloth | I think it is HW, but have not looked at that - gotthardt might know |
02:28:45 | scorche | Nimdae: no idea...ask the patch author |
02:29:10 | Nimdae | that requires doing something :( |
02:29:52 | Nimdae | i'll just browse the code |
02:30:21 | audioengineer | because I have noticed that since I have been on rb - If i put my player on charge while powered off, then unplug it then plug it back in, it will say that the battery is fully charged |
02:31:04 | Nimdae | looks like a simple code change, and it is configured with the global fade on stop, it appears |
02:31:42 | debauched_sloth | audioengineer: we still haven't spent a lot of time figuring out the battery readings |
02:32:01 | debauched_sloth | my RB says 5:37 remaining, for example, but will run for about 14hours |
02:32:17 | debauched_sloth | it's top of the list, after more serious bugs |
02:32:20 | audioengineer | yes I get that too |
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02:35:43 | tamacracker__ | The only thing I find complicated on the RockBox |
02:35:58 | tamacracker__ | is saving the equalizer settings. |
02:36:02 | tamacracker__ | or the presets i should say. |
02:40:26 | preglow | the eq should get a general souping up one da |
02:40:26 | preglow | y |
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02:53:14 | jba | hey debauched_sloth, about your lcd_enable() patch |
02:53:26 | jba | ever thought of clearing the screen before freezing updates? |
02:53:44 | jba | I was getting a residual image on my screen and thought the power off wasn't working |
02:53:57 | jba | also the lcd display powers back on again much faster than the original toshy firmware |
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02:55:28 | debauched_sloth | jba: it should fade down before clearing, so you should see nothing |
02:55:38 | debauched_sloth | powers back on faster? interesting |
02:56:05 | KCC | lol @ toshy |
02:56:09 | KCC | I like it |
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02:57:23 | scubacoles | I guess it's appropriate to post this here.. My Symbian phone has support for WMA via an app called WMAPlus!, it's based on the opensource OggPlay. |
02:58:15 | scubacoles | I'm pretty sure it just adds a codec and slightly alters the menu structure of OggPlay |
02:58:46 | scubacoles | Is the reason rockbox doesn't support wma due to licensing? |
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03:01:45 | Llorean | The reason is that nobody's finished converting an open-source WMA codec to fixed point, and put it in our codec architecture. |
03:01:53 | scubacoles | jba: didn't expect to see you here...Happy New Year |
03:02:14 | Llorean | To paraphrase something once said, "Getting WMA on Rockbox would take someone working on it with a clue, and those with a clue generally just use better formats." |
03:02:23 | Llorean | Or something like that. |
03:02:24 | scubacoles | hehehe |
03:02:27 | DogBoy | hehe |
03:02:36 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984 |
03:02:43 | goffa | thats about as close as it gets |
03:02:49 | Llorean | Anyway, someone was working on WMA, but never really released much in the way as code. |
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03:03:15 | goffa | his house burnt down |
03:03:40 | bozukarob | does rockbox work the way ipod linux does when you hold down play/pause for ipod firmware then next/ffw for linux |
03:04:06 | bozukarob | if not is there any way to do this? |
03:04:14 | scubacoles | Personally it's not an issue, I stick to mp3, or now that rockbox is running on the gigabeat, ogg but for others it's a huge issue |
03:04:20 | Llorean | bozukarob: You're going to have to be a little more clear on what you're asking. |
03:05:21 | bozukarob | are you familiar with ipodlinux? |
03:05:33 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox, I've booted iPodLinux exactly once. |
03:06:01 | Llorean | Are you asking a question about the Rockbox bootloader? |
03:06:06 | bozukarob | yes |
03:06:12 | bozukarob | let me rephrase my question |
03:06:28 | Llorean | Holding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox. |
03:06:33 | goffa | yeah.. i don't have many wmas left |
03:06:37 | goffa | i'd say none |
03:06:51 | Llorean | For Linux to start, a copy of .bin file has to be named Linux.bin, and exist in the root of the Fat32 partition. |
03:06:53 | goffa | but there might be some hidden somewhere on my hd |
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03:07:10 | bozukarob | Holding Menu starts the Apple OS, holding Play/Pause starts Linux, holding nothing and it goes straight to Rockbox. |
03:07:21 | bozukarob | is that w/o ipodlinux installed? |
03:07:36 | Llorean | How would you start iPodLinux without it installed? |
03:07:48 | Llorean | There must be an ext2/ext3 partition with the ipodlinux filesystem present. |
03:07:59 | Llorean | But the iPodLinux loader shouldn't be installed. |
03:08:24 | bozukarob | okay i understand |
03:08:28 | bozukarob | thanks |
03:08:52 | goffa | hmm.. playlist seems to have hit a brick wall.. got to like 4500 quickly (like 1 min).. taken like 10 mins to get 78 tracks... |
03:08:53 | jba | scubacoles: thanks mate, same to you, cgi:irc is good when on lunch break |
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03:09:22 | jba | debauched_sloth: yeah almostlike it initiates the screen on re-enabling it |
03:09:27 | scubacoles | Ahhh, so you're now living in my old hell....CGI:IRC |
03:09:28 | jba | mayeb there is a deeper disable mode? |
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03:09:38 | jba | scubacoles: yeah dude, dems de breaks |
03:10:06 | jba | debauched_sloth: yeah so anyhow, it the backlight fades down yeah, but in the right light you can still see the screen |
03:10:17 | jba | anal I know, but i just thought I would point that out |
03:10:35 | jba | it's a much nicer shutdown when there are no resdiual lines of text on the screen |
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03:12:17 | debauched_sloth | they should go to off |
03:12:28 | debauched_sloth | wait, you need the latest stuff gotthardt did for that |
03:12:44 | debauched_sloth | I think he finally got the actual LCD off code in there |
03:12:51 | goffa | yeah... |
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03:12:54 | goffa | i think he did |
03:13:13 | debauched_sloth | if it is off off, you should see nothing |
03:13:21 | debauched_sloth | I can't see anything at max fade, either |
03:14:13 | goffa | so.. is the code in there where it doesn't update wps while screen is off? |
03:14:42 | debauched_sloth | yes |
03:14:45 | debauched_sloth | sort of |
03:14:47 | goffa | cool |
03:15:03 | debauched_sloth | should be |
03:15:39 | debauched_sloth | yes it is |
03:15:56 | jba | debauched_sloth: i got the cvs build with gotthardt's commits yeah |
03:16:31 | jba | but if you tilt the player beyond horizontal by about 5 Deg you should be able to still see the wps when backlight is faded out |
03:17:00 | debauched_sloth | hmm. That should be tough |
03:17:00 | jba | goffa: yeah my backlight faded to off while scrolling next song title and the scroll stopped mid title |
03:17:05 | debauched_sloth | I'll see what I can see there |
03:17:13 | debauched_sloth | does it update? |
03:17:23 | jba | i use a bright green forground font on white background in wps |
03:17:26 | jba | made it easy to see |
03:17:31 | jba | debauched_sloth: no it doesn;t update at all |
03:17:39 | jba | which is why i thought it might be best to clear the screen before stopping updates |
03:17:47 | debauched_sloth | jba: that's good |
03:18:08 | debauched_sloth | jba: maybe... |
03:18:15 | jba | so i thought this should be the flow, fade out -> clear screen -> halt screen updates -> power off lcd |
03:18:30 | jba | just a suggestion |
03:18:31 | debauched_sloth | right now it's everything there except clear screen |
03:18:34 | jba | in the mean time i got a meeting now |
03:18:39 | debauched_sloth | ok, thanks! |
03:18:51 | jba | debauched_sloth: yeah I know, and I thought the clear screen would be trivial to add, no>? |
03:19:20 | jba | do you have wiki write access? we need to add saving bass/trebble settings to the todo for gigabeat |
03:19:34 | debauched_sloth | trival, yes |
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03:19:49 | debauched_sloth | no, I have not updated the wiki, I'll take a look |
03:19:54 | jba | bbiab |
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03:26:45 | goffa | funny.. my sister just called "can you hack into myspace, someone posted something bad about a friend of mine" |
03:29:01 | * | Alonea shakes her head |
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03:31:41 | daven | evening |
03:32:11 | Alonea | evening to you too daven |
03:33:05 | daven | meh, am havign |
03:33:42 | daven | sorry, that should read "am having issues installing rockbox again after an 'accidental' update of ipod" |
03:34:06 | fasmaie_ | daven: what kind of problms? |
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03:34:14 | fasmaie_ | problems |
03:34:32 | daven | however, I think there's something I have forgotten, and will try that before asking... |
03:34:44 | fasmaie_ | ok |
03:34:50 | fasmaie_ | all the best |
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03:37:28 | daven | hmm, nope, seems not to have worked. |
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03:38:12 | daven | ok, right. The issue is that with ipodpatcher, I am getting the error 'Bad boot sector signature' |
03:38:27 | daven | The disk has been correctly unmounted |
03:39:13 | fasmaie_ | What iPod do you have? |
03:39:53 | daven | mini 2g, am getting error while reading the boot partition |
03:40:04 | fasmaie_ | What firmware are you using? |
03:40:22 | daven | as in Apple firmware? |
03:40:27 | fasmaie_ | yes |
03:40:32 | fasmaie_ | which version |
03:40:46 | daven | I just downgraded it back to something like 1.3 |
03:40:59 | daven | (don't ask) |
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03:41:15 | fasmaie_ | Did you try a restore and then a new install? |
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03:41:22 | daven | yes, have tried this |
03:41:27 | daven | I can try again |
03:41:53 | Llorean | I'm not sure if the new iPodPatcher works with minis properly yet. |
03:42:10 | fasmaie_ | People have reported trouble on the older iPods with the new ipodpatcher |
03:42:45 | daven | hmm, should I see if I can find an older ipodpatcher |
03:43:07 | fasmaie_ | You might want to try the old ipod_fw |
03:43:19 | fasmaie_ | and diskdump combo |
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03:44:19 | * | daven tries |
03:49:17 | fasmaie_ | daven: try the installation procedure from the Old Information list in the iPod page |
03:49:49 | daven | thanks :) |
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03:57:53 | goffa | lol.. fasmaie_ running into indecission.. wife wants x5.. husband wants gigabeat |
03:58:23 | goffa | wife wears pants but is easily snowed :) so its an even race |
03:58:34 | Alonea | i vote giga |
03:58:42 | fasmaie_ | Here's hoping |
03:58:46 | KCC | whats wrong with the x5? |
03:59:29 | fasmaie_ | What would you want for the iriver? |
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04:01:21 | fasmaie_ | Just in case? |
04:01:45 | goffa | same |
04:01:48 | fasmaie_ | Ok |
04:01:53 | fasmaie_ | Good to know |
04:02:14 | fasmaie_ | May work out....still have to see what the wife bought me |
04:02:52 | goffa | yeah.. no obligation either way |
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04:05:34 | fasmaie_ | Thaks |
04:05:39 | fasmaie_ | Thanks |
04:06:51 | daven | hmm. Oh dear. |
04:07:05 | fasmaie_ | What's up Daven? |
04:07:09 | daven | Ipod is now rebooting uncontrollably |
04:07:25 | fasmaie_ | Reset it |
04:07:35 | * | daven does that |
04:07:43 | fasmaie_ | You do have it Fat32 formatted, right? |
04:08:17 | daven | well, one of the partitions ;) I think therein lay the mistake |
04:08:49 | * | daven was being careless with tab completion. oops. |
04:18:24 | goffa | looking back on this.. it was a mistake not deleting the music directory on this gigabeat |
04:18:30 | goffa | 30gb of .sat files |
04:18:41 | goffa | i nuked all of the files.. now i have a ton of empty dirs |
04:26:09 | Alonea | there is a way to convert .sat back to mp3 |
04:27:13 | Alonea | that is, if you wanted to convert them. i didnt have backups of everything i had on it. so it was a good thing for me |
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04:32:33 | goffa | well i deleted them |
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04:33:18 | goffa | because i didn't want to copy them |
04:33:41 | hcs | cheers to the gigabeat port crew, it's working quite well |
04:36:42 | Alonea | ah. well, I basically wanted to keep my 10 gigs of music. i had to copy over and then copy back, but it was worth it to me |
04:37:05 | goffa | yeah.. i didn't want to reencode |
04:37:15 | Alonea | the fun part is you dont even need a program to convert. |
04:37:55 | Alonea | there is a loophole in the firmware. Set it to connect to WMP 10 and load windows explorer. Goto gigabeat drive. if you look at files. they are .mp3 instead of .mp3.sat |
04:38:26 | goffa | cool |
04:38:53 | Alonea | yup. read it on a forum. tried it. it worked. |
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04:39:39 | Alonea | so you just copy files to your hd, which takes a bit longer than normal. then delete files off of giga. and then put them back |
04:39:47 | Benzi | hey... can anyone quickly tell me why rockbox won't run in the 5.5g ipods? Is there a hardware difference that causes this? |
04:40:03 | Llorean | Benzi: It's only the 80gb 5.5Gs that don't work |
04:40:19 | Llorean | There is believed to be something different about the disk itself and its interface. |
04:40:39 | Benzi | oh... so it's the kind of thing that would be part of the kernel? |
04:41:04 | Llorean | As opposed to? |
04:41:14 | Benzi | I don't know...I'm a noob XD |
04:41:41 | Benzi | so for rockbox it's one huge kernel? |
04:42:35 | Llorean | I wouldn't say "huge" |
04:42:35 | Benzi | anyway, do you think there will be a port to ipod 5.5g 80gb any time soon? |
04:42:53 | Benzi | haha... I know, I meant huge in function |
04:42:56 | Llorean | But for Rockbox the kernel and application are for a good bit, the same thing. |
04:43:17 | Benzi | thanks |
04:43:17 | Llorean | Whether it happens on the 80gb depends entirely on how soon someone figures out *what* is different. |
04:43:54 | goatmale | anyone dual boot iaudio? |
04:44:18 | Benzi | hmm... I have faith in the community, although I'm too stupid to be able to contribute :( |
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04:46:56 | goatmale | hello |
04:48:06 | Llorean | goatmale: If nobody answered your question, that's probably a "no" |
04:48:24 | Llorean | Seeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway |
04:49:03 | goatmale | i was going to ask a different question |
04:49:28 | Llorean | Well, you're free to ask. |
04:49:35 | goatmale | which is where can I find patches like album art, is that not hosted on the rockbox site |
04:49:51 | goatmale | i downloaded a bunch of .weps and I can't seem to find the needed patches |
04:50:00 | Llorean | They're all in the Patch Tracker |
04:50:18 | Llorean | From the front page, click the link "Patches" on the left side of the screen |
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04:51:43 | goatmale | are these all multi platform? |
04:52:24 | scorche | not all |
04:52:32 | scorche | it will say which targets they are for |
04:55:04 | goatmale | LloreanSeeing as dual boot on iAudio isn't an official feature yet, there are better places to ask about it anyway |
04:55:11 | goatmale | where would be a better place to ask? |
04:55:41 | Llorean | Well, the file itself is unofficial, so the person who provided it. |
04:56:30 | goatmale | Raenye said #rockbox |
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04:57:16 | Llorean | He told you to ask in here for help with the dual boot feature? |
04:59:31 | goatmale | he said something along the lines that if you need with the feature to ask around #rockbox |
04:59:43 | goatmale | but he's not here so it doesn't matter. |
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05:00:23 | Llorean | Well, as I said, it's not a supported feature. If you need help with it, contact him directly |
05:00:28 | Llorean | Maybe he simply meant that he could be found here. |
05:02:05 | goatmale | Maybe, I guess I was hoping there'd be someone here with an iaudio. |
05:02:40 | Llorean | Not everyone with iAudios uses the dual boot patch. |
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05:10:00 | goatmale | i have a quick opion based question |
05:10:25 | goatmale | how unstable is the daily build? |
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05:11:32 | Llorean | As opposed to what? |
05:11:38 | Llorean | I'd say it's pretty stable. |
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05:13:11 | toulouse | hey guys, can rockbox be installed on an ipod mini that has both apples firmware and ipodlinux? |
05:13:57 | Llorean | Both the iPodLinux bootloader (the newer loader2 versions) and the Rockbox bootloader can load both Rockbox and iPodLinux |
05:14:25 | toulouse | so i take it as a yes? |
05:14:42 | Llorean | It depends on which version of the iPodLinux loader you're using. |
05:14:55 | toulouse | oh, hmm.. it's not quite the newest one |
05:15:20 | Llorean | If it's loader2 it should work, but it won't work with dual-core versions of Rockbox. |
05:15:47 | toulouse | ok, also is it easier to install with a mac or a linux computer? |
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05:16:49 | Llorean | Well, with a working loader2, you just need to extract rockbox.zip into the fat32 partition, and it should show up in your list of available OSes (you may need to edit the loader conf file, depending on a few things) |
05:17:53 | Llorean | We don't really provide support for getting loader2 working, since it's not our software. |
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05:18:37 | toulouse | oh, fat32<−−- it was all done with a mac |
05:18:51 | toulouse | would the ipod have a fat32 partition? |
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05:19:39 | Llorean | If yours is an HFS+ iPod, it won't work with Rockbox without some work. |
05:19:45 | Llorean | Rockbox only supports Fat32, so it has to be converted. |
05:20:28 | lachlan1231 | Hey Llorean, I realise the topic may have already been discussed, but what is standing in the way of the chopper game (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535) being commited into CVS (besides CVS being currently disabled) |
05:21:24 | Llorean | lachlan1231: BarryWardell is a core developer, I assume the fact that it doesn't seem to want to work properly with the menu API is part of it. |
05:22:24 | Llorean | lachlan1231: As well, it really doesn't support many of the Rockbox targets, does it? |
05:22:57 | Llorean | Plugins wanting to be included should include button mappings and screen sizes for all targets that can actually run them. This can be done by way of the simulators. |
05:22:59 | lachlan1231 | I would imagine not, although I'm not particularly sure |
05:23:09 | Llorean | lachlan1231: I don't see button mappings for several of them in the .diff. |
05:23:20 | goatmale | SUCCESS! I am not dual booting |
05:23:21 | Llorean | So, there are several things that should be addressed before it's really considerable for inclusion. |
05:23:25 | goatmale | now** |
05:23:28 | lachlan1231 | Is it a requirement of game plugins that they be workable on both colour and non colour targets? |
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05:24:10 | Llorean | lachlan1231: What do you mean? |
05:25:13 | Llorean | If a plugin works on a grayscale target, it should be readily convertible to color. |
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05:25:52 | lachlan1231 | You said it doesn't "support many of the Rockbox targets". So, would that mean that if it were to be considered for inclusion it would have to be in a state where it can be played on both colour screen and non colour screen targets? |
05:26:07 | lachlan1231 | Oh, ok, I didn't realise |
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05:26:48 | Llorean | If it's in color, of course, there may be limitations making it harder to work it into grayscale, but of course, the grayscale lib exists. |
05:27:07 | lachlan1231 | I think its a shame it hasn't been commited so far, as the game requires basically one button to play, and as such is ideal for burning a couple of minutes on a DAP |
05:27:08 | Llorean | And I would assume "It just isn't playable without a color screen" could be seen as acceptable. |
05:27:26 | Llorean | lachlan1231: It's a shame that the plugin author hasn't bothered to make it work on all platforms. |
05:27:40 | Llorean | Too often people only have an interest in their own platform, and then forget about it. |
05:28:40 | lachlan1231 | Indeed |
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06:00:15 | Alonea | i guess I will check and see if the CVS page is back up tomorrow. Is the page going to be renamed? |
06:01:25 | Llorean | Alonea: I imagine so. I'm sure there will be an announcement when SVN builds have started. |
06:02:07 | Alonea | alrighty. good night and good luck on writing those codes for stuff! |
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06:17:15 | JdGordon | he all |
06:17:19 | JdGordon | hey even |
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06:22:07 | lostlogic | Llorean: what status was CVS/SVN left in? |
06:23:27 | Llorean | lostlogic: I probably don't know the answer to your question, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. |
06:23:49 | Llorean | CVS commits aren't possible any more, and transition to SVN is happening. |
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06:25:04 | lostlogic | I was just curious if bagder mentioned the approximate run time of the script or anything |
06:25:46 | Llorean | Oh, not that I'd heard. |
06:25:59 | Llorean | I've been away most of the day. |
06:26:04 | lostlogic | k |
06:30:15 | jba | lostlogic: i believe badger got it to the point where he could svn co from the server |
06:30:22 | jba | and then headed off to sleep |
06:30:51 | jba | grep today's log for badger's last entry and go back from there i guess |
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06:32:56 | lostlogic | ah, it'll probably be up and running when it becomes morning here in -0600. |
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07:36:46 | Alexinc | where are all of the CVS builds? |
07:37:02 | Llorean | Just use a daily for now. |
07:37:14 | Llorean | Assuming they're still available. |
07:37:17 | scorche | they are enjoying thier severance packages atm |
07:37:25 | scorche | their |
07:37:32 | Alexinc | 'tear |
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07:38:34 | Alexinc | there are no "latest daily builds" for the gigabeat f |
07:41:24 | perldiver | should be plenty |
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07:48:29 | Llorean | Alexinc: So just use the most recent "Old" one? |
07:48:40 | Llorean | I meant, it's from *yesterday* |
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08:10:55 | JdGordon_ | does anyone know if parted can do non-destructive resize on ext3 partitions? |
08:15:12 | scorche | as long as you do it correctly, yes |
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08:19:17 | Mouser_X | Geez... It took me 4-6 hours to catch up on the logs... |
08:19:28 | Mouser_X | :( |
08:19:33 | Mouser_X | And now, I should be in bed. |
08:20:29 | perldiver | Mouser_X |
08:20:34 | perldiver | worked on that wps? |
08:20:37 | Mouser_X | Yes? |
08:20:46 | perldiver | how are you |
08:20:49 | Mouser_X | I haven't touched it since yesterday. |
08:21:04 | Mouser_X | I'm fine, but I have to get up to leave for work in about 5 hours. |
08:21:28 | perldiver | thats a bummer |
08:21:41 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
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08:22:49 | Mouser_X | Actually, I forgot. It was probably 3-4 hours to read the logs. I had to do laundry (which I didn't finish) and other stuff. |
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08:24:03 | Mouser_X | Do you know of an easy way to export the various parts of a PSD file? Like, my WPS mockup is done in layers, and it'd be easier if I could simply just dump all the layers to different pictures. |
08:24:16 | Mouser_X | Actually... There is a way to do that, but I don't remember how... |
08:24:25 | Mouser_X | It's talked about on Winamp's forums. |
08:24:54 | Mouser_X | (I did it once, in an attempt to make a "Modern" skin...) |
08:25:19 | Mouser_X | That being the case, I'm sure I still have all the stuff to do it... If only I knew what it was I was looking for... |
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08:25:42 | perldiver | i dont really understand the question |
08:26:15 | Mouser_X | Have you ever used layers in Photoshop? (I'm pretty sure it supports it. I know the format does) |
08:26:39 | Mouser_X | Like, one image contains multiple segments to it, which are one above the other. |
08:27:03 | Mouser_X | There's a background, and then other pieces are layered on top of it. |
08:27:31 | perldiver | yes im using photoshop for 10 years now |
08:27:45 | perldiver | now the question part :P |
08:27:59 | Mouser_X | Well, I was wondering if there's a way to save all those layers as separate files. |
08:28:16 | Mouser_X | Basically, extract each layer to its own file. |
08:28:38 | Mouser_X | Based on the name given to the layer. |
08:28:55 | Mouser_X | I've done it, so I know it can be done. I just don't remember how. |
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08:29:49 | perldiver | oh yes sure |
08:30:25 | perldiver | file > scripts > export layers |
08:30:54 | Mouser_X | Thanks. Now to see if I can adapt that to Paintshop Pro.. |
08:31:09 | Mouser_X | (I don't have photoshop.) |
08:32:04 | perldiver | now that might be a problem |
08:32:45 | Mouser_X | Indeed. I think on Winamp's forums there's an external application that can do it. |
08:33:07 | Mouser_X | Like I said, I know I've done it, I just don't remember how... |
08:33:32 | Mouser_X | If worse comes to worse, I can do it all manually. |
08:34:29 | perldiver | there are some great skins for winamp classic |
08:34:37 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
08:34:40 | perldiver | never really liked any modern skins |
08:34:44 | Mouser_X | Same. |
08:34:53 | Mouser_X | There's 2 I sometimes use though. |
08:34:56 | perldiver | but classic, still suprising me |
08:35:18 | Mouser_X | The Stargate SG-1 one, and a Sonic the Hedgehog (Green Hill Zone) one. |
08:35:33 | perldiver | would you mind linking? |
08:35:36 | Mouser_X | (I think the author removed the Sonic 1...) |
08:35:37 | perldiver | id love to take a look |
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08:36:16 | Mouser_X | The Sonic one has a few bugs in it. They're not an issue though, if you know about them (and make sure to disable the buggy features). |
08:36:56 | Mouser_X | Stargate SG-1 skin: |
08:36:57 | Mouser_X | http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=147192 |
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08:37:12 | Mouser_X | (The preview pic does no justice, at all) |
08:37:30 | Mouser_X | I strongly suggest downloading it, to get a good look. |
08:38:01 | perldiver | getting |
08:38:57 | perldiver | wow thats crazyness |
08:39:31 | perldiver | ill give you some examples what i like: |
08:39:37 | perldiver | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26279189/ |
08:39:50 | perldiver | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31351808/ |
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08:40:41 | Mouser_X | The skin is 5 MB. For it to be hosted on Winamp, they had to revamp/fix the backend of the site. Previously, the max size was 3 MB. |
08:40:44 | Mouser_X | I think that the SG-1 skin is still the largest one hosted on Winamp. |
08:40:46 | Mouser_X | Though, there is a 33 MB skin floating around, somewhere. |
08:40:56 | perldiver | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38112334/ |
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08:41:15 | perldiver | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23598159/ |
08:41:22 | Overand | There was a pretty great lain skin for winamp classic |
08:41:27 | Overand | well, a great series of them |
08:41:28 | Mouser_X | Agreed. |
08:41:34 | Quazgaa | nerds |
08:41:35 | Mouser_X | I have a few like that. |
08:41:45 | Overand | heh |
08:41:51 | Mouser_X | They may be by the same person, for all I know (the ones I have, and the ones you're linking) |
08:41:54 | Overand | I love it when someone says "nerds" on IRC. |
08:42:01 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
08:42:05 | Mouser_X | I see your point |
08:42:29 | perldiver | uh |
08:42:30 | Overand | Even moreso when it's a freenode channel devoted to an open-source firmware replacement etc. |
08:42:33 | Overand | =] |
08:42:34 | Mouser_X | Oooh! I love Luigihann's skins. |
08:42:36 | perldiver | what skin design has to do with "nerds" |
08:42:58 | Mouser_X | Luigihann does an amazing job on skins. |
08:43:00 | perldiver | and nice points Overand hehe |
08:43:28 | Mouser_X | I think I have, and more or less use, everyone that he's made... |
08:44:44 | Quazgaa | it is precisely the inescapable fact that everyone on irc and furthermore a channel such as this is the living embodiment of "nerd" |
08:44:50 | Quazgaa | that makes the accusation just that much more powerful. |
08:45:11 | Quazgaa | like, damn. |
08:45:13 | Quazgaa | if someone on #rockbox calls you a nerd |
08:45:17 | Quazgaa | you need to check yourself |
08:45:19 | Quazgaa | with a quickness |
08:46:34 | * | Mouser_X has a belt with the overworld map from Zelda 1 on it... |
08:46:47 | Quazgaa | :P |
08:46:49 | Mouser_X | Link is, of course, on there as well. |
08:47:00 | Quazgaa | i used to have a zelda watch |
08:47:18 | Mouser_X | I'm just solidifying my nerdiness, I guess. |
08:47:30 | Quazgaa | needless to say my peers saw to it that i had a miserable and tormented childhood. |
08:47:39 | Quazgaa | heh |
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08:57:56 | BHSPitLappy | I dunno about that. All my sane peers respect the Legend. |
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08:59:16 | Mouser_X | perldiver: I PMed you, to avoid anymore off-topicness. |
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09:00:13 | Mouser_X | BHSPitLappy: Well, I think it's great. And, the buckle is perfect as well. |
09:00:39 | BHSPitLappy | Mouser_X, I'm already fully aware of your belt, tyvm |
09:00:39 | Mouser_X | Every belt I've seen is either too small, or doesn't have enough holes for the buckle to fit me. |
09:00:49 | BHSPitLappy | and then some go above and beyond! |
09:00:52 | Mouser_X | Ah, true. |
09:01:05 | BHSPitLappy | "10 yards of Zelda!" |
09:01:14 | Mouser_X | That's an exageration. |
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10:03:29 | pondlife | Should the front page mention that the SVN migration has started? |
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10:11:34 | decayedcell | cvs commiting disabled? |
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10:15:23 | jangy | is anyone here |
10:15:59 | decayedcell | yeh |
10:16:58 | jangy | i just found rock box today so i was looking to see whats up with the scene |
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10:17:24 | BHSPitLappy | you found it? oh, thank goodness |
10:17:27 | BHSPitLappy | where was it? |
10:17:40 | LinusN | lol |
10:17:44 | jangy | in the land of kazoo |
10:17:50 | decayedcell | ba domp chi |
10:18:05 | Quazgaa | nerds |
10:18:29 | decayedcell | hmm |
10:18:30 | BHSPitLappy | Quazgaa, your life consists of sitting here, saying something to that effect consistently |
10:18:30 | decayedcell | today is the 9th |
10:18:38 | decayedcell | yesterday was the last commit |
10:18:47 | decayedcell | so why is commiting today disabled? |
10:19:06 | BHSPitLappy | SVN migration. |
10:19:06 | LinusN | decayedcell: we are moving from CVS to SVN |
10:19:11 | BHSPitLappy | thank goodness. |
10:19:33 | LinusN | BHSPitLappy: why so? |
10:19:57 | BHSPitLappy | eh. there's a lot that's better about SVN. |
10:20:16 | BHSPitLappy | obviously that's the general consensus |
10:20:45 | linuxstb | CVS has hardly been a hindrance though. |
10:21:01 | LinusN | yes, many things are better, but things won't be much different after the move |
10:21:24 | LinusN | the biggest advantage with the move will be that we are moving to another server |
10:21:35 | decayedcell | YAY |
10:21:37 | decayedcell | SVN ftw |
10:21:38 | LinusN | so everything will be a lot faster |
10:21:49 | decayedcell | yeh |
10:21:56 | LinusN | but that's not because of SVN |
10:21:58 | decayedcell | cvs takes a while to update files |
10:22:02 | decayedcell | hmm |
10:22:09 | decayedcell | but i generally find SVN to be faster than CVS |
10:22:17 | LinusN | it probably is |
10:22:19 | decayedcell | unless all those times the servers with SVN have been faster |
10:23:25 | decayedcell | hmm |
10:23:29 | decayedcell | how do i add http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ |
10:23:31 | decayedcell | no wait |
10:23:33 | decayedcell | hmm nvm |
10:23:44 | decayedcell | i was going to ask how do I add it to my apt repository |
10:24:08 | LinusN | hehe |
10:24:26 | decayedcell | hm |
10:24:32 | decayedcell | where the hell do i get all the other bits then |
10:24:47 | LinusN | "the other bits"? |
10:24:54 | decayedcell | sh-elf-binutils etc |
10:24:57 | decayedcell | arm-elf-gcc |
10:25:10 | decayedcell | *googles* |
10:25:22 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
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10:33:59 | XavierGr | hmm then probably the vmware image has to be updated too, right? |
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10:42:12 | pondlife | FWIW (which is probably very little at this stage) I did a SVN co, but running the updated ../tools/configure gave me errors. Copied over the CVS version and that worked fine. |
10:42:47 | pondlife | This is under Cygwin. example error: ": command not found line 10:" |
10:43:21 | B4gder | and did the files actually differ? |
10:43:27 | B4gder | or was it a line ending problem? |
10:44:52 | GodEaterWeb | sounds like line termination to me |
10:47:16 | B4gder | yeah I think so too |
10:48:02 | pondlife | Nope, the files are different |
10:48:32 | pondlife | For example - my SVN copy has # $Id: configure 11947 2007-01-08 18:21:12Z miipekk $ |
10:48:50 | pondlife | But my CVS copy has # $Id: configure,v 1.249 2006-12-29 02:49:12 markun Exp $ |
10:49:06 | B4gder | then you didn't cvs update |
10:49:16 | pondlife | I did yesterday |
10:49:36 | B4gder | yday was jan 8th and slasheri committed changes to configure |
10:49:43 | pondlife | Aha |
10:50:32 | pondlife | OK, so looks like those changes have line ending problems? I'll do a dos2unix -U on my SVN copy |
10:50:57 | pondlife | Yep, that fixed it |
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10:53:16 | LinusN | i just checked out the svn repo with cygwin and i didn't have any line termination issues |
10:53:25 | bluebrother | svn already up? |
10:53:42 | LinusN | bluebrother: not officially :-) |
10:53:56 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Then I don't know of it :) |
10:54:00 | pondlife | shh |
10:54:22 | LinusN | it's unfortunate that you found out. now we have to kill you |
10:54:29 | * | pondlife dies |
10:54:31 | * | B4gder calls the hitmen |
10:54:52 | * | pondlife already died# |
10:54:57 | LinusN | too bad we have to waste the rockbox fund to hire hitmen |
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10:55:06 | * | pondlife donated some of that too |
10:55:25 | * | pondlife gets bored of being dead and resurrects |
10:55:40 | * | bluebrother goes checking if there is a svn package for his ooold box |
10:55:45 | pondlife | I started with a blank setup and did the proposed "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" |
10:55:46 | * | LinusN wishes hcl could do that too |
10:55:50 | pondlife | True |
10:56:57 | pondlife | If I delete configure and re-checkout, I get the errors again :( |
10:57:34 | LinusN | pondlife: it probably has something to do with your cygwin installation |
10:57:54 | pondlife | Indeed, but I'm not sure what. The same worked fine with CVS. |
10:58:27 | amiconn | pondlife: I tried the same as you, clean svn checkout and then configure and build, on cygwin. |
10:58:33 | amiconn | Working fine |
10:58:46 | pondlife | Just doing a binary compare of the files... |
10:58:47 | B4gder | are you both using the cygwin svn client? |
10:58:57 | LinusN | i am |
10:59:24 | Mikachu | maybe you have cygwin configured differently, i seem to remember there was a setting during setup about line endings |
10:59:25 | amiconn | me too |
10:59:30 | LinusN | Mikachu: yes there is |
10:59:31 | pondlife | I think I am |
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11:00:10 | pondlife | How do I get a version number or whatever? |
11:00:34 | amiconn | svn −−version |
11:01:49 | pondlife | svn, version 1.3.1 (r19032) compiled Mar 30 2006, 02:41:28 |
11:02:31 | amiconn | svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196) |
11:02:31 | amiconn | compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55 |
11:02:40 | LinusN | svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196) |
11:02:40 | LinusN | compiled Dec 2 2006, 14:28:55 |
11:02:48 | pondlife | OK. looks like I need to run Cygwin setup again? |
11:03:09 | amiconn | Iirc pixelma said that the cygwin installer offers both svn 1.3 and 1.4 |
11:03:09 | LinusN | worth a try |
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11:06:18 | bluebrother | LOL. subversion configure looks for apr and suggests to grab it using ... svn |
11:08:48 | pondlife | Great, that fixed it |
11:08:53 | pondlife | Thanks guys |
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11:09:52 | amiconn | OK, so big fat warning for cygwin users: don't use svn 1.3.x, but svn 1.4.x |
11:10:09 | amiconn | Maybe that applies to other systems as well |
11:10:15 | pondlife | Pop it on the front page so non-IRC users know what's going on too. |
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11:12:12 | XavierGr | so to download svn in linux you just type apt-get install svn? |
11:12:39 | Mikachu | only complaint with svn is the checkout takes up twice as much space |
11:13:32 | bluebrother | the checkout is twice as big? How come? |
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11:13:49 | Mikachu | it stores all unmodified files in .svn/ |
11:13:50 | safetydan | bluebrother, svn keeps two copies so diffs don't need the server |
11:14:06 | safetydan | makes disconnected working a bit nicer |
11:14:27 | Mikachu | i guess it makes the server a bit happier as well |
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11:14:57 | B4gder | xaviergr: apt-get install subversion |
11:15:25 | XavierGr | ok let me try this in vmware |
11:15:27 | B4gder | having the full copy twice also enables commits to send diffs |
11:15:36 | B4gder | cvs always send the whole file on commit |
11:16:14 | pondlife | Good stuff - hopefully this means less worrying that someone else might lose work when I commit. |
11:16:47 | pondlife | Are commits diff-based by default? I'll have to read that page you posted earlier I guess... |
11:17:08 | B4gder | the commits are always diffs, yes |
11:17:10 | bluebrother | ah. Would be nice for working when travelling |
11:17:34 | B4gder | but not the diffs you see with "svn diff" but binary ones |
11:17:42 | amiconn | B4gder: How does this work for binary files? |
11:17:48 | B4gder | the diff is binary |
11:17:55 | amiconn | ah |
11:18:16 | * | amiconn wonders how 'svn diff' handles binary files |
11:18:25 | Mikachu | lets see |
11:18:33 | B4gder | you can mark them as binary |
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11:19:09 | B4gder | which I'm not sure wheter they are now with the conversion |
11:19:14 | Mikachu | Index: rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp |
11:19:14 | Mikachu | =================================================================== |
11:19:14 | Mikachu | Cannot display: file marked as a binary type. |
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11:19:14 | Mikachu | svn:mime-type = application/octet-stream |
11:20:13 | safetydan | What about keywords? |
11:20:44 | safetydan | ah, I see svn:keywords is already there |
11:20:51 | Mikachu | there are quite a lot of source files marked +x |
11:20:54 | B4gder | try the svn book for a good tutorial, it is really fine and is online and everything |
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11:26:10 | XavierGr | so how do I anonymously checkout the source from rockbox with svn? |
11:26:28 | Mikachu | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
11:26:49 | XavierGr | thanks |
11:28:12 | XavierGr | I will try rockbox-devel instead though |
11:28:42 | Mikachu | the last argument is what to call the dir locally |
11:30:27 | XavierGr | ah |
11:30:39 | bluebrother | hmm. So I could svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/something? Or only what the local dir will be named? |
11:30:45 | XavierGr | i remember that with the cvs version rockbox didn't include the simulator |
11:31:10 | XavierGr | or maybe it was in the path instead |
11:31:15 | amiconn | The checkout doesn't include the www/ module ... |
11:31:15 | Mikachu | bluebrother: that's not the last argument :) |
11:31:22 | bluebrother | aaah :D |
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11:31:27 | * | bluebrother is dumb |
11:31:39 | bluebrother | I already wondered how that should work |
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11:31:53 | Mikachu | but you can for example do svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/foobar if there was such a branch |
11:32:06 | Mikachu | 2007-01-08 23:52 bjst |
11:32:06 | Mikachu | * [r11952] www, www: Splitting out www |
11:32:33 | scorche | XavierGr: and gdb code |
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11:37:52 | Kittt0s | huh |
11:41:47 | XavierGr | it's been so long since my last checkout that I have forgotten how to compile rockbox |
11:41:58 | * | XavierGr goes back to read the wiki |
11:42:14 | scorche | ouch |
11:42:26 | safetydan | cd rockbox; mkdir build; cd build; ../tools/configure; make && make fullzip |
11:42:29 | safetydan | or something like that |
11:42:57 | XavierGr | yeah, now slowly all comes to mind bit by bit :P |
11:43:19 | XavierGr | though I have to see my own aliases for these |
11:47:13 | XavierGr | WOA |
11:47:21 | XavierGr | new configure screen! |
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11:49:24 | fsdfsfddfas | hey is rockbox set to reduce the backlight time when the battery is low? |
11:49:50 | decayedcell | don't think its auto |
11:49:54 | decayedcell | tho you could suggest it |
11:50:11 | BHSPitLappy | why don't you just have a short backlight time. |
11:50:22 | fsdfsfddfas | well i ahve it set for 5 secconds |
11:50:28 | decayedcell | i have it for 1 |
11:50:31 | decayedcell | and fade out for 2 |
11:50:47 | fsdfsfddfas | currently my battery level has about 27mins left |
11:50:47 | BHSPitLappy | then you're killing the battery on purpose, shortening your play time anyway. |
11:50:50 | fsdfsfddfas | and its turning of instantly |
11:50:55 | BHSPitLappy | ah. |
11:51:02 | BHSPitLappy | I thought you were making a proposal. |
11:51:05 | fsdfsfddfas | nah |
11:51:15 | fsdfsfddfas | im trying to determine wether its a feature or a glitch |
11:51:17 | BHSPitLappy | that sounds really odd. |
11:51:23 | BHSPitLappy | I don't think it's a feature. |
11:51:23 | scorche | i have seen the same behavior with my nano |
11:51:28 | BHSPitLappy | Could be wrong. |
11:51:35 | fsdfsfddfas | im running it on a gigabeat |
11:51:43 | fsdfsfddfas | i wonder |
11:51:54 | fsdfsfddfas | ill see what happens after its fully charged |
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11:52:27 | fsdfsfddfas | although i do think it would be a pretty nice feature to include, any one else agree? |
11:52:39 | Mikachu | not really |
11:52:49 | Mikachu | why would you want to use more battery just because there's more left? |
11:53:04 | decayedcell | he suggested |
11:53:07 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn - do you read the forums much / ever ? |
11:53:08 | decayedcell | to shorten the backlight time |
11:53:17 | decayedcell | when the battery is low |
11:53:17 | decayedcell | thus saving power? |
11:53:18 | Mikachu | it doesn't really matter if the timer is shorter during the first or last hour of usage |
11:53:28 | decayedcell | shouldn't a lower backlight time use less power |
11:53:32 | decayedcell | because its on for shorter |
11:53:43 | LinusN | yes, but why only when the battery is low? |
11:53:44 | Mikachu | yes, of course, but why have it longer when you don't have a low battery? |
11:53:47 | BHSPitLappy | decayedcell, but why is it set longer, when the battery is high. |
11:53:50 | fsdfsfddfas | i think i understand what mikachu is saying, the difference is negligable |
11:53:58 | decayedcell | because the f guy wants it that way i dunno lol |
11:54:07 | Mikachu | haha |
11:54:13 | BHSPitLappy | you're shortening your battery life MORE by setting it long to begin with, than you would save by doing that feature. |
11:54:24 | decayedcell | so yeh |
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11:54:27 | decayedcell | the logical option |
11:54:28 | scorche | it isnt just the gigabeats, as i said before |
11:54:30 | BHSPitLappy | that's a hard thought to communicate. |
11:54:30 | decayedcell | would be to have it short |
11:54:34 | decayedcell | in the first place |
11:54:42 | amiconn | GodEaterWeb: Not anymore, only when someone points me to a post or thread |
11:54:47 | * | Mikachu takes decayedcell's enter key |
11:54:52 | GodEaterWeb | well take a look at the 80GB port thread then |
11:54:58 | * | decayedcell oh noes |
11:55:04 | amiconn | The useful content / jabber ratio has become too low |
11:55:12 | decayedcell | hmm it would save a little bit |
11:55:17 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: very true - but this one might interest you :) |
11:55:18 | decayedcell | i guess that was his main point |
11:55:36 | decayedcell | but the power saving is not worthy of the effort into coding |
11:55:43 | decayedcell | as er wats his name said |
11:55:50 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: to save you hunting : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.15 |
11:55:51 | fsdfsfddfas | mikachu |
11:55:58 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: are you talking about the funding ideas? |
11:56:10 | * | amiconn hates some aspects of ff 2.0 :/ |
11:56:20 | fsdfsfddfas | so if this isnt a feature why is rockbox doing this? lol. |
11:56:23 | GodEaterWeb | yeah - I just want to make sure amiconn knows he's been volunteered and make sure he's either interested or not :) |
11:56:39 | GodEaterWeb | I know he's a busy chap |
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11:59:05 | fsdfsfddfas | \join #gigabeat |
11:59:07 | fsdfsfddfas | damn |
11:59:41 | * | amiconn has no interest in permanently acquiring an ipod video |
11:59:49 | Quazgaa | \join #asslube |
11:59:55 | fsdfsfddfas | lol |
11:59:58 | amiconn | I'd rather want an 80GB disk for my H1x0, but that's a different story |
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12:00:02 | fsdfsfddfas | what did i do wrong? |
12:00:07 | scorche | Quazgaa: you are done >_> |
12:00:57 | Mikachu | fsdfsfddfas: / |
12:01:09 | pixelma | fsdfsfddfas: slash not backslash... |
12:01:22 | B4gder | amiconn: we could buy you one if you wanted to investigate/help, and then you should ship it off to someone else. |
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12:01:43 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn : will you post to that effect then ? I never actually expected anyone to step up and volunteer in the first place - so I feel kind of guilty now =/ |
12:02:45 | B4gder | hm I meant to write you "could", not "should" ... |
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12:03:06 | GodEaterWeb | weird - I read "could" and not "should" :) |
12:03:35 | B4gder | built-in spell checking brain? |
12:03:42 | jba | me too |
12:03:58 | scorche | heh....thirded |
12:04:34 | B4gder | that's what reading too much IRC does to you :-) |
12:04:37 | GodEaterWeb | I guess I got the context from the first part of the sentence, and sort of skimmed the rest |
12:05:15 | * | scorche goes about making a new VMware image |
12:06:04 | Mikachu | scorche: ping me if you want me to update my mirror |
12:06:15 | scorche | i will |
12:06:38 | scorche | assuming i am successful |
12:06:45 | * | scorche has never created an image before |
12:07:12 | GodEaterWeb | heh - it's not too tough :) |
12:07:27 | scorche | i wouldnt imagine it being so, but you never know ;) |
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12:08:53 | LinusN | i'm thinking about building a device to connect a logic analyzer to the hard drive on my 80gb ipod |
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12:11:02 | LinusN | holy moses, there's not much spare room in the ipod case :-) |
12:11:13 | BHSPitLappy | nope |
12:11:32 | BHSPitLappy | if there was, they would have just made a smaller one... ;) |
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12:13:17 | decayedcell | hmm |
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12:13:31 | decayedcell | tried the usb power adaptor + ipod + rockbox today |
12:13:42 | decayedcell | usb logo comes up |
12:13:46 | decayedcell | then it restarts |
12:13:55 | decayedcell | starts up with the please do not disconnect screen |
12:14:00 | decayedcell | then reboots again, and this loops |
12:14:04 | decayedcell | anyone else have the same problem? |
12:14:20 | scorche | as in plugging it into the wall? |
12:14:21 | decayedcell | yeah |
12:14:36 | scorche | hold menu while inserting the cable |
12:15:23 | decayedcell | ah beautiful |
12:15:25 | decayedcell | works |
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12:25:48 | LinusN | ok, i need two zif connectors, and straight strip and a pin header |
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12:28:09 | GodEaterWeb | easy to source ? |
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12:31:21 | decayedcell | gah |
12:31:22 | decayedcell | help |
12:31:22 | decayedcell | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
12:35:29 | LinusN | ok, got the 40-pin zif |
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12:47:18 | decayedcell | bah nvm fixed it |
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13:28:10 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P, you around? |
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13:32:33 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
13:32:45 | JdGordon | hey |
13:32:46 | Nico_P | i don't have much time though, classes soon |
13:32:54 | JdGordon | you working on metadata on buffer are you? |
13:33:37 | Nico_P | not sure i could say that... all i've done so far is look at playback.c searching for places where i'd need to make changes |
13:34:08 | Nico_P | currently i'm working on a project for my school so i'm not full time on rockbox |
13:34:14 | JdGordon | haha, ok.. well good luck |
13:34:19 | Nico_P | thanks |
13:34:31 | Nico_P | have you had a look at my latest cuesheet patch ? |
13:35:12 | JdGordon | only the description... just got back from holidays today |
13:35:28 | Nico_P | ok |
13:35:39 | Nico_P | it seems to work pretty well |
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13:36:35 | Nico_P | I'm hoping to get it committed soon |
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13:37:13 | JdGordon | once cvs access is back we'll have a look-see :) |
13:37:48 | Nico_P | :) |
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13:39:21 | Bagderr | hopefully cvs access won't come back ;-) |
13:39:34 | JdGordon | :'( so much for that then |
13:39:42 | Bagderr | we're going svn |
13:39:43 | JdGordon | bah, you know what i mean |
13:39:52 | Bagderr | hehe |
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13:40:15 | JdGordon | anything I can help with in the conversion? |
13:41:05 | Bagderr | I don't think so |
13:41:15 | JdGordon | ok |
13:41:37 | JdGordon | any idea how long untill commit access is up again? |
13:42:02 | Nico_P | JdGordon: will you still be there in a bit more tha 4 hours ? |
13:42:23 | JdGordon | Nico_P: not a chance... 10+ hours i will be |
13:42:39 | Nico_P | ok |
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13:50:17 | pondlife | Is there a metadata-on-buffer wiki page? |
13:50:37 | pondlife | Oops, missed both JDGordon and Nico_P |
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13:55:01 | Bagderr | new main server is about to get ordered |
13:55:23 | Bagderr | dual 270 opteron 2GHz, 4GB RAM, 300 GB SATA |
13:55:48 | Bagderr | it'll be a nice build server |
13:55:54 | scorche | oooo...very |
13:56:24 | Mikachu | icculus has something like that too, it's fun to ssh to :) |
13:56:34 | Mikachu | (where openbox is hosted) |
13:56:34 | scorche | mind ordering one for me too? =P |
13:56:44 | Bagderr | :-) |
13:57:00 | scorche | i promise i will set it up as a build server! ;) |
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13:58:52 | jba | how come rockbox charge in usb mode on an ipod is so slow? |
13:59:13 | Mikachu | there's a knob that says "charge faster", but we don't know where it is |
13:59:14 | jba | or is it that the usb mode rockbox invokes on the ipod is such a high power consumer? |
13:59:35 | Llorean | jba: Are you referring to "Emergency Disk Mode" or charging in-rockbox without access to the disk? |
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13:59:55 | Llorean | The Disk Mode is still Apple software, so we have nothing to do with it. |
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14:00:13 | jba | Llorean, that's what i thought |
14:00:21 | Llorean | In-Rockbox it only draws 1/5 of the normal power. That combined with the fact that Rockbox uses more power than it should right now means really slow charging, if at all. |
14:00:27 | Mikachu | it's possible the emergency mode also doesn't enable full charge speed |
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14:01:18 | jba | when holding menu on usb insert, so "usb charge mode" not usb disk mode, is it that we aren't talking to the charging circuit properly? |
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14:03:18 | Llorean | jba: We barely know anything about the USB hardware. |
14:03:35 | jba | oh. |
14:03:35 | Llorean | Well, possibly more now, but not much has been done with it yet as that's recent. |
14:04:19 | Mikachu | we do? |
14:04:29 | jba | okay sleep time |
14:04:36 | jba | night all |
14:05:00 | Llorean | Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6494 |
14:05:31 | linuxstb | Mikachu: MrH had another moment of divine inspiration and discovered that the PP's USB hardware is the same as another chip, and that other chip has documentation... |
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14:05:56 | Llorean | Mikachu: Also see the commit from 20 Dec 15:28 |
14:05:58 | Mikachu | clever |
14:07:17 | Mikachu | ah, i remember i had to move my hotstuff hack but i never read the message :) |
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14:09:46 | roolku | bagder: there seems to be a problem with (some) binaries in the svn - I compared the bmps in a fresh checkout against the tarball and 125 were different (mainly the odd 0x0d or 0x0a added) |
14:10:17 | roolku | bagder: also the concerned files don't have the octet-stream attribute |
14:11:03 | roolku | bagder: an example is: apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.138x46x2.bmp |
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14:14:47 | Bagderr | once we have fixed svn access properly, "anyone" can fix those issues |
14:15:05 | Bagderr | at least I t hink so |
14:15:39 | Bagderr | roolku: is that using cygwin svn 1.4? |
14:15:39 | roolku | not sure what you mean? Everyone gets commit access? |
14:15:52 | Bagderr | no, but everyone that should have access will get it |
14:15:54 | roolku | no the latest tortoise svn |
14:16:06 | Mikachu | Bagderr: i got diffs between cvs and svn too with some bmps |
14:16:32 | Mikachu | -0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0d0d 000d 0e0e |
14:16:32 | Mikachu | +0000060 000a 0b0b 000b 0c0c 000c 0a0a 000a 0e0e |
14:16:55 | Bagderr | isn't that for the same reason? |
14:17:11 | Mikachu | i just wanted to rule out cygwin strangeness |
14:17:17 | Bagderr | ah, ok |
14:21:14 | pixelma | are these affected bitmaps in apps/bitmaps/native? |
14:21:35 | pixelma | ah... rockboxlogo is |
14:21:59 | * | pixelma reads again... |
14:22:15 | linuxstb | I'm getting differences with the rockblox bitmaps as well - they weren't committed to CVS with -kb |
14:23:12 | scorche | was there a particular reason why we named the 7zip file Debian-2? |
14:23:15 | roolku | maybe they got corrupted in the cvs-> svn transfer? |
14:23:23 | Mikachu | scorche: it was Debian.7z before that |
14:24:10 | Llorean | scorche: It's the second iteration of the kit. |
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14:24:27 | scorche | so i should name it Debian-3? |
14:24:29 | Llorean | The first one didn't have a GUI at all. |
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14:24:41 | Llorean | So you couldn't play with simulators |
14:25:04 | Mikachu | that would be the logical choice |
14:25:10 | pixelma | linuxstb: really? I think I did... |
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14:25:52 | linuxstb | pixelma: I think it's the bitmaps you didn't commit... |
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14:26:07 | pixelma | aha |
14:26:13 | linuxstb | i.e. all the ones from September 2006, plus the 240x320 gigabeat |
14:26:45 | scorche | follow-up: anyone happen to know what compression settings i should use? (i never use 7zip really) |
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14:27:11 | Mikachu | i think there's only one max compression switch |
14:27:41 | scorche | there is maximum and ultra |
14:28:17 | scorche | there are alos settings for compression method, dictionary size, and word size...among a few others |
14:28:27 | scorche | s/alos/also |
14:28:29 | Mikachu | the man settings gives this example |
14:28:34 | Mikachu | 7za a -t7z -m0=lzma -mx=9 -mfb=64 -md=32m -ms=on archive.7z dir1 |
14:28:39 | Mikachu | the man page rather |
14:30:34 | scorche | ultra it is |
14:32:07 | Bagderr | and it takes loooong time to compress it |
14:32:14 | scorche | no kidding |
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14:32:57 | scorche | ~an hour and climbing |
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14:35:15 | Mikachu | you'll save people downloading it more than that probably |
14:42:24 | * | Bagderr watches a belgian weather forecast stream over and over and over and over... |
14:43:09 | Mikachu | why does the vmware page have instructions for running windows applications in wine? |
14:43:14 | * | scorche senses that there is a joke he is not getting |
14:43:30 | Bagderr | its not a joke, its my job! :-P |
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14:43:41 | scorche | ... |
14:43:51 | Bagderr | not to watch it perhaps, but to make sw for the box showing it |
14:43:52 | GodEaterWeb | they couldn't pay me enough |
14:43:59 | scorche | heh |
14:45:08 | scorche | before i let this get too far, was there anything else besides make and svn to be updated/installed for the image? |
14:45:10 | * | GodEaterWeb is debugging a websphere app today. It's not exciting. |
14:47:31 | * | pixelma has fun reading the latest forum post |
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14:54:36 | Llorean | Anyone know about X5 charging here? I got the impression that charging was hardware regulated on most of our targets, but the last post from RaeNye seems to contradict that: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9667 and I was just wondering if anyone knew more. |
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15:03:21 | goffa | rockbox charges when on the subpack |
15:04:01 | goffa | if you don't get the connection tight (it is easy to have a loose connection) then it doesn't charge |
15:04:32 | goffa | it has to..because i listen to tunes all night long and most of the day at work |
15:04:34 | Llorean | Well the discussion seems to include the possibility that it's dangerous to charge while in-Rockbox. |
15:05:01 | Llorean | I wanted to find out if charging was hardware controlled, like it is for most of our newer targets, because that 'dangerous' thing sounds kinda fishy to me. |
15:05:27 | goffa | i've been using rockbox on my iaudio since 3-28-06 |
15:05:41 | goffa | so i don't know how dangerous it is |
15:06:20 | goffa | unless mine is a ticking time bomb |
15:06:55 | scorche | just dont cut the red wire... |
15:07:01 | Llorean | Well, considering most of the players have hardware controlled charging, I didn't think it was likely that you could overcharge in Rockbox just by leaving it plugged in, but I wanted to get an answer from someone familiar with the internals. |
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15:07:31 | goffa | yeah... well i'm not really familiar with the internals.. |
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15:15:51 | Nimdae | does it ever show a full charge while plugged in? |
15:15:54 | Llorean | Bagderr: If I were to try to write a letter to Austrian Microsystems, do we know of a human-contact I could give a shot at, or is the only option currently known that request form? |
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15:22:18 | Bagderr | llorean: I got the call only after having mailed their sales email address, but I don't have any human contact to recommend no |
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15:22:41 | Bagderr | I filed a request on the web form several days before what we no response at all |
15:22:53 | Bagderr | before that even |
15:23:06 | Llorean | Bagderr: Okay. With PortalPlayer I had found someone who seemed to be relevant, so I'll probably dig through for an email address at their site sometime this week and try a letter similar to the one I sent to PP. |
15:23:26 | Llorean | At least they seem to respond at all. |
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15:23:47 | Koenigsberg | How can I ask rockbox to shuffle? |
15:24:17 | Llorean | Koenigsberg: By enabling shuffle? Search the manual for "shuffle" |
15:24:37 | Llorean | There are more than one place you can enable it from. |
15:24:46 | Koenigsberg | But the shuffle on/off only shuffles inside the folder you're in, doesn't it? |
15:25:10 | Llorean | It shuffles the current playlist. |
15:25:26 | Nimdae | if you want to shuffle the entire collection, there are at least 2 ways to do this |
15:25:27 | Bagderr | and the mode for the upcoming playlists |
15:25:51 | Nimdae | if you are on directory view, create a playlist for the root folder of your music, then play it with shuffle enabled |
15:26:09 | Nimdae | if you are in id3 tag view, then you don't have to create ap laylist first |
15:27:21 | Koenigsberg | ah, okay, thanks |
15:27:40 | Koenigsberg | one more question... when I enter my /mp3s/ or /flacs/ folder, it says "Dir buffer is full". What does that mean? |
15:28:06 | Bagderr | it means you should organize your files better :-) |
15:28:16 | Nimdae | Bagderr beat me to it |
15:28:32 | Koenigsberg | How so? It's just one folder per album. |
15:28:53 | GodEaterWeb | most people do artist/album |
15:29:09 | Nimdae | at the root of my music is each artist, then down one level is each album |
15:29:24 | perldiver | goffa |
15:29:25 | perldiver | morning |
15:29:26 | GodEaterWeb | but if you insist on doing just albums, you'll need to read the manual around the setting for maximum number of dir entries |
15:29:39 | Nimdae | i have over 3000 songs so it seems to work well |
15:30:09 | Koenigsberg | well, in my mp3 folder i have 7,841 songs in 416 folders |
15:30:10 | amiconn | Llorean: Hardware controlled charging is a requirement for LiIon / LoPoly batteries. Everything else would be truely dangerous, rockbox or not |
15:30:22 | amiconn | s/LoPoly/LiPoly/ |
15:30:31 | Koenigsberg | does it mean it reached the max number of dirs it can display at once, so some aren't being displayed? |
15:30:43 | Nimdae | wow, there's only the source archive on the cvs builds page? |
15:31:13 | Llorean | amiconn: So, the charging is independent of the firmware? |
15:31:35 | Llorean | Nimdae: Nobody can check into CVS right now anyway. |
15:31:36 | linuxstb | Koenigsberg: Try increasing the "Max files in dir" setting - your 416 folders are beyond the default 400. |
15:31:59 | Bagderr | nimdae: yeah, I deleted the others when I copied the lot over to the new server |
15:32:08 | Nimdae | ahh |
15:32:11 | amiconn | Llorean: All the firmware can do (depending on the charging chip) is to select whether it charges at all, and the maximum charging current |
15:32:16 | Bagderr | the daily builds are now equivalent anyway |
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15:32:26 | Nimdae | yeah |
15:32:31 | Nimdae | i just need the source tarball anyway |
15:32:43 | amiconn | That's why charging in rockbox is slow on iPod - we don't know how to switch the charging chip between low & high current |
15:33:41 | Nimdae | Bagderr: doh, the source tarball 404s |
15:34:17 | Bagderr | the cvs one? |
15:34:24 | Nimdae | both cvs and daily |
15:34:26 | Bagderr | try the daily one then |
15:34:30 | Bagderr | m |
15:34:58 | Genre9mp3 | Quick question: "Enable ROM file generation for H120/H140." what does this practically means? |
15:35:17 | Bagderr | nimdae: then try download.rockbox.org/daily/source |
15:36:02 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Probably an aspect of Rockbox-in-flash advancing. |
15:36:20 | Nimdae | that works |
15:36:39 | Nimdae | ooo nice and fast too |
15:36:52 | Llorean | amiconn: So I was right in assuming "Rockbox can't allow charging on X5 to be any more harmful than it already is/isn't"? |
15:37:02 | Nimdae | at least relatively |
15:37:04 | Bagderr | yeah the dl server is on a fine connection |
15:37:11 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: We already could flash on H120/H140 |
15:37:37 | Nimdae | anyway, i must get ready for work, i'll do my builds from there :) |
15:38:24 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: That's why I said "advancing". Just because we can doesn't mean it can't advance. :-P |
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15:39:40 | Genre9mp3 | hehe.. sure... I guess Slasheri could bring some light on this |
15:39:44 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: It seems to generate rombox for H120/H140 |
15:39:59 | Llorean | I'm guessing it's bringing it more into line with flashing procedured for the Archoses. |
15:40:03 | amiconn | Yes, it means running directly from rom |
15:40:31 | amiconn | Flashing a standard rockbox build just means loading the image from rom instead of disk |
15:40:49 | amiconn | ...but still running it from ram |
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15:41:17 | amiconn | Running from rom increases free ram (by code size + read-only data size) |
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15:41:29 | Genre9mp3 | aha... now I see, thanx amiconn |
15:41:46 | Genre9mp3 | the flashing procedure has to change with this though? |
15:42:25 | goffa | heh.. that scared me |
15:42:32 | goffa | only had my gigabeat on for 2 hours |
15:42:45 | goffa | it shut off due to inactivity on pause |
15:42:55 | goffa | i tried to power it up.. got the message "recharge battery" |
15:43:24 | goffa | was thinking i'd have to sit here at work without tunes for 3.5 hours :) |
15:43:41 | goffa | luckily shutting the battery off, turning it back on.. and powering up set me at 80% |
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15:46:20 | Slasheri | Genre9mp3: yes, new version of the bootloader and flashing plugin is on its way |
15:46:55 | Genre9mp3 | Slasheri: nice |
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15:47:15 | * | Genre9mp3 hopes for a similar progress with H300 |
15:47:36 | Slasheri | bootloader contains numerous minor fixes and some new features (for example the failsafe menu) |
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15:52:22 | bluebrother | failsafe menu? What will that do? |
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15:57:27 | Slasheri | bluebrother: it is possible to select the boot method and set a default boot method (from disk/ram/rom/shutdown) |
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15:58:42 | bluebrother | cool :) |
15:59:37 | Slasheri | that menu is also automatically activated if rockbox crashes or fails to boot |
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16:03:44 | bluebrother | which devices does this affect? h100, h300 or both? |
16:03:57 | Slasheri | H120/H140 |
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16:04:16 | bluebrother | :) |
16:04:24 | Genre9mp3 | Slasheri: rombox is a special version of the firmware or it doesn't matter? |
16:04:41 | Genre9mp3 | s/is/needs to be |
16:05:10 | Slasheri | yes, it's specially linked version of rockbox (should be already included in daily builds, can be found .rockbox/rombox.iriver) |
16:05:33 | Slasheri | but you can still put the ram image in flash also |
16:06:17 | Genre9mp3 | So one can choose which one to flash... |
16:06:26 | Slasheri | true, or flash them both |
16:06:39 | Genre9mp3 | flash them both? |
16:06:47 | Slasheri | it's generally a good idea to have always a working version of rombox |
16:06:57 | Genre9mp3 | They can co-exist? |
16:07:12 | Slasheri | because if bootloaders fails for some reason, rombox can be loaded very early |
16:07:20 | Slasheri | yep, they can |
16:07:52 | Genre9mp3 | hmm... H100 ROM chip is 2MB, right? |
16:08:00 | Slasheri | correct |
16:08:24 | Slasheri | rockbox uses only something like 300 KiB |
16:08:38 | Genre9mp3 | So you could have 6 of them :) |
16:08:42 | Slasheri | so there is a plenty of room to have both versions of rockbox |
16:08:49 | Genre9mp3 | how much the bootloader takes? |
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16:09:05 | Slasheri | hehe, in theory. But currently only two versions can be put in flash |
16:09:28 | Slasheri | it uses one erasable section on flash memory, 64 KiB |
16:10:07 | Genre9mp3 | Do you happen to know how much the retailOS takes? |
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16:10:26 | Slasheri | it takes almost the full 2MiB |
16:10:50 | Slasheri | so there is no room to enlarge the bootloader section to 128 KiB for example |
16:11:44 | Slasheri | probably that's because retailos has everything in flash.. fonts, images etc. |
16:11:58 | Genre9mp3 | OK... now I understand how you can choose between rom/ram in failsafe menu |
16:12:16 | Genre9mp3 | what's the shutdown option do? |
16:12:39 | Slasheri | it's the default option when hold switch is on (hold is also used to access that menu) |
16:12:50 | Slasheri | so player just turns off after the timeout |
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16:14:43 | Genre9mp3 | Slasheri: nice additions |
16:16:08 | bluebrother | will the bootloader show the battery level in that case? |
16:16:23 | bluebrother | I recently wanted to know the level of the battery without turning on. |
16:16:41 | bluebrother | But turning on with hold enabled simply turns of ... |
16:17:00 | Slasheri | bluebrother: hmm, a good idea |
16:17:18 | Slasheri | bluebrother: maybe i could add that too. But currently the level is just the voltage level, not calibrated percentage level |
16:17:32 | pondlife | Slasheri: Do you know if there's an H300 bootloader update on the way (hint)? Maybe one that allows the non-LCD remote to power up the device (hint hint)...? |
16:17:32 | bluebrother | is that menu soemthing like graphical? A screenshot would be interesting ;-) |
16:17:36 | Slasheri | in usb mode, the level is also displayed |
16:17:41 | Slasheri | bluebrother: no |
16:17:49 | bluebrother | voltage level should be sufficient imo |
16:18:11 | bluebrother | how do you choose between the options? Various buttons? |
16:18:11 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, i have no idea about the H300 :) |
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16:18:38 | Slasheri | bluebrother: there is a text based menu with text based arrows :) |
16:18:50 | bluebrother | ah. Nice. |
16:18:58 | Slasheri | so you move the arrow like navigating with the joystick |
16:19:04 | bluebrother | ASCII-Art can be quite nice |
16:19:11 | pondlife | Slasheri: So the H300 bootloader is completely different from the H100? |
16:19:14 | Slasheri | and pressing REC button, makes the choise the default (saved in EEPROM) |
16:19:29 | Slasheri | pondlife: well, it is just missing a lot of features |
16:19:38 | pondlife | OK |
16:19:38 | Slasheri | it still uses the same source file |
16:20:12 | pondlife | One day I'll get brave enough to build a bootloader. |
16:20:33 | Slasheri | hehe, just ask Linus to try the compiled binary first :) |
16:20:43 | Slasheri | and then port the iriver_flash -plugin etc. for H300 :) |
16:20:54 | * | bluebrother still waits for the day we can load the OF from disk. Not too much use, but would be somewhat cool |
16:21:09 | Slasheri | bluebrother: i doubt that will ever happen |
16:21:54 | pondlife | What sort of thing is missing from the H300 code? USB? |
16:22:20 | Slasheri | probably that is the most important missing feature |
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16:23:27 | pondlife | Where is the bootloader source? There's not much in rockbox/bootloader... |
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16:25:29 | pondlife | Ah, we also have rockbox/flash/bootloader. |
16:26:01 | Genre9mp3 | wow.. H300 ROM chip is 4MB! |
16:27:35 | * | pondlife doesn't get it. Perhaps he also thinks "this bootloader source needs target-treeing". |
16:27:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: bootloader/main.c |
16:27:55 | Slasheri | but that is the old version until i commit rest of the patch |
16:28:03 | pondlife | Where are the H300 #ifdefs I expected to see then? |
16:28:11 | Slasheri | in that file |
16:28:30 | Slasheri | you need to cvs co bootloader |
16:28:36 | pondlife | Haha, they are #ifndefs |
16:28:42 | Slasheri | :D |
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16:29:17 | * | Genre9mp3 has to go |
16:29:20 | Genre9mp3 | cheers |
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16:29:57 | pondlife | The USB stuff seems to be present for H300. |
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16:52:30 | DMJC-L | I've got a h140 iriver |
16:52:44 | DMJC-L | the a-b and record buttons don't seem to work in the emulator |
16:52:50 | DMJC-L | eg they don |
16:52:54 | DMJC-L | 't do start |
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19:08:44 | Kingstone | anyone knows where is macworld 2007? |
19:08:50 | Kingstone | where can i see upcoming events |
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19:15:47 | w1ll14m|away | question whats the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX ???? |
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19:30:29 | LithiumTR | Howdy all |
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19:34:41 | LithiumTR | Anyone there? |
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19:41:53 | low_light | wow...have to admit that the iphone *looks* cool |
19:42:15 | crwl | now, when will rockbox support it? :F |
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19:43:10 | low_light | audio + video + phone + internet |
19:43:38 | w1ll14m | nice :) rockbox on it.... with phone support ... and ll buy one :) |
19:44:50 | w1ll14m | strange that Apple give's the name iPhone.... as the name is registered by linksys (aka cisco) |
19:45:08 | crwl | i guess they have paid a dollar or two for the name... |
19:45:33 | w1ll14m | hmmm could be.... but then, you should find that info on the net i think.... |
19:46:25 | w1ll14m | crwl, do you know the function of #define CPUFREQ_MAX as it is defined in firmware/export/system.h ? |
19:46:37 | low_light | must have a hefty cpu if it's running osx |
19:46:39 | crwl | w1ll14m, sorry, no, i'm not a developer :) |
19:46:58 | w1ll14m | ahh okay, i thought maube you know :) |
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19:47:28 | w1ll14m | well ... i own an ipod 5g, but it's sometimes slow... so i changed a bit of that code, and now it's a LOT faster |
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19:47:56 | w1ll14m | while i use soft and hardware EQ and decode mp3@320kbps |
19:48:34 | w1ll14m | so, thats why i asked :) |
19:48:37 | Llorean | Why would you use software and hardware EQ at the same time? |
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19:50:10 | w1ll14m | hmmm well i use soft eq because you can adjust the frequency .... so i boost most of bass with soft eq, and everything above 120Hz is -11.5db, then i use hardware eq for the mid and high tones so it's in some kind of balance... |
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19:50:49 | w1ll14m | i own sony in ear bubs lp90 i believe... and they are capable of handling a lot of bass... as i listen to hardcore that's what i like :) |
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19:51:05 | w1ll14m | normaly my GUI is some kind of slow.... |
19:51:17 | DogBoy | what is hardcore |
19:51:29 | w1ll14m | Well.... do you know trance ? |
19:51:34 | DogBoy | ya |
19:51:37 | LithiumTR | Anyone able to help me with an iPod 5th generation (30GB) that reboots on shutdown? |
19:51:45 | w1ll14m | hardcore is 20 times that hard.... |
19:52:00 | w1ll14m | LithiumTR USB Connected ? |
19:52:04 | LithiumTR | Nope |
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19:52:14 | DogBoy | like for example |
19:52:15 | w1ll14m | Daily build ? |
19:52:16 | LithiumTR | I've checked your forums, documentation and Googled |
19:52:19 | LithiumTR | Yeah, daily build |
19:52:23 | w1ll14m | k.... |
19:52:26 | LithiumTR | I'll get the version number |
19:52:31 | w1ll14m | 5.5 g or just 5g? |
19:52:36 | LithiumTR | 5th generation |
19:52:39 | w1ll14m | k |
19:52:50 | w1ll14m | any custom pacthes aplied? |
19:52:52 | LithiumTR | Nope |
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19:53:14 | LithiumTR | I've tried removing Rockbox, restoring the Apple firmware, then reinstalling, still does it |
19:53:14 | w1ll14m | how do you shutdown ? |
19:53:17 | LithiumTR | Hold play |
19:53:22 | w1ll14m | hmmm ..... |
19:53:31 | LithiumTR | I get the "Shutting down..." dialogue |
19:53:34 | LithiumTR | Then Rockbox reboots |
19:53:35 | w1ll14m | Also with apple firmware it just reboots.... |
19:53:37 | low_light | ack...$499 & $599 for 4 & 8GB iPhone |
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19:53:45 | LithiumTR | I'll test it with the standard Apple firmware now |
19:53:49 | w1ll14m | k |
19:53:57 | LithiumTR | Out of interest |
19:54:08 | LithiumTR | What does the -wf option for the ipodpatcher binary do |
19:54:15 | w1ll14m | To expensive.... |
19:54:24 | w1ll14m | writes a new bootloader |
19:54:49 | w1ll14m | bootloader or bootloader + apple firmware |
19:54:55 | w1ll14m | i think ..... |
19:55:04 | LithiumTR | Rockbox kept rebooting to the original Apple firmware, but by using the -a option, then -wf with rockbox.ipod, it only loads the Rockbox firmware |
19:55:12 | Llorean | It replaces the firmware with whatever .ipod file you point it at. |
19:55:21 | Llorean | It doesn't preserve the firmware part, so it can overwrite the apple firmware. |
19:55:24 | w1ll14m | while booting try holding play |
19:55:32 | w1ll14m | ahh k :) |
19:55:38 | w1ll14m | i used ..... ipod_fw |
19:55:40 | LithiumTR | Still trying to stop it rebooting though |
19:55:48 | LithiumTR | Restoring the Apple software now |
19:55:55 | w1ll14m | ok |
19:56:17 | LithiumTR | I'm impressed with Rockbox though |
19:56:24 | LithiumTR | Especially Doom :P |
19:56:28 | w1ll14m | yeah me too :) |
19:56:41 | LithiumTR | The iPod turns off fine with the Apple firmware |
19:56:50 | w1ll14m | yeah :) i like it ... i own it voor psp ;) homebrew ofcourse |
19:57:00 | w1ll14m | thats indeed strange..... |
19:57:02 | LithiumTR | Yeah |
19:57:04 | Mikachu | LithiumTR: the apple firmware doesn't turn off the ipod |
19:57:05 | w1ll14m | which bootloader do you use? |
19:57:14 | LithiumTR | bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
19:57:16 | Mikachu | LithiumTR: is your usb cable plugged in? |
19:57:32 | Mikachu | okay |
19:57:35 | w1ll14m | try to create one from soucecode |
19:57:42 | w1ll14m | no usb not plugged in.... |
19:57:48 | w1ll14m | source code* |
19:57:59 | Mikachu | plugging in the cable makes the ipod start |
19:58:19 | w1ll14m | mikachu, correct but usb is'nt connected |
19:58:49 | Mikachu | then i don't know |
19:58:54 | w1ll14m | hehe :) |
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19:59:07 | LithiumTR | I'll reinstall Rockbox now |
19:59:14 | LithiumTR | Any suggestions/different things to try with ipodpatcher? |
19:59:24 | w1ll14m | do you have linux availible ? |
19:59:26 | linuxstb_ | LithiumTR: Which ipod do you have? |
19:59:33 | LithiumTR | 30GB video, 5.0 generation |
19:59:49 | linuxstb_ | Did you restore to a clean firmware partition before running ipodpatcher? |
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20:00:01 | LithiumTR | Clean firmware partition? |
20:00:13 | w1ll14m | you've reinstalled apple os :) |
20:00:14 | linuxstb_ | i.e. no bootloaders, just the Apple firmware. |
20:00:18 | LithiumTR | Yeah |
20:00:50 | linuxstb_ | Ah, using -wf replaces the Apple firmware with Rockbox... |
20:00:51 | LithiumTR | Actually |
20:00:55 | LithiumTR | Weird problem |
20:01:11 | LithiumTR | Running ipodpatcher /dev/sdb -d throws up |
20:01:15 | LithiumTR | "No bootloader detected" |
20:01:30 | linuxstb_ | That's because you don't have one... |
20:01:39 | LithiumTR | I've just reinstalled Rockbox |
20:01:42 | linuxstb_ | What does ipodpatcher /dev/sdb −−list show? |
20:01:53 | LithiumTR | And trying to remove it says it isn't installed |
20:02:05 | LithiumTR | Image 1: |
20:02:05 | LithiumTR | Main firmware - 7489536 bytes |
20:02:05 | LithiumTR | Image 2: |
20:02:05 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LithiumTR |
20:02:05 | LithiumTR | RSRC - 5244928 bytes |
20:02:05 | LithiumTR | Image 3: |
20:02:07 | LithiumTR | AUPD - 1075200 bytes |
20:02:08 | LithiumTR | Image 4: |
20:02:10 | LithiumTR | HIBE - 33556480 byte |
20:02:23 | linuxstb_ | That looks like a restored (i.e. Apple firmware only) ipod? |
20:02:33 | LithiumTR | Yeah, it is |
20:02:41 | LithiumTR | Sec |
20:02:44 | linuxstb_ | So what's the problem? |
20:03:10 | LithiumTR | [INFO] Bootloader bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod written to device. |
20:03:13 | LithiumTR | Written the bootloader now |
20:03:21 | LithiumTR | I'll show you the new output of −−list |
20:03:23 | linuxstb_ | That was with the "-a" command? |
20:03:29 | LithiumTR | Yes |
20:03:33 | LithiumTR | Should I use -wf at all? |
20:03:44 | linuxstb_ | Make sure the disk icon stops spinning on your ipod's LCD before you unplug... |
20:04:06 | linuxstb_ | Not if you want to dual-boot with the Apple firmware as well. |
20:04:06 | LithiumTR | Image 1: |
20:04:06 | LithiumTR | Main firmware - 7489536 bytes |
20:04:06 | LithiumTR | Third-party bootloader - 60508 bytes |
20:04:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
20:04:06 | LithiumTR | Image 2: |
20:04:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
20:04:06 | LithiumTR | RSRC - 5244928 bytes |
20:04:07 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
20:04:07 | LithiumTR | Image 3: |
20:04:09 | LithiumTR | AUPD - 1075200 bytes |
20:04:11 | LithiumTR | Image 4: |
20:04:16 | LithiumTR | HIBE - 33556480 bytes |
20:04:21 | LithiumTR | That's the new output now |
20:04:21 | LithiumTR | I don't want to dual boot |
20:04:21 | LithiumTR | I only want Rockbox |
20:04:38 | linuxstb_ | Then the easiest is to write the bootloader using -wf |
20:04:45 | LithiumTR | Alright |
20:04:45 | LithiumTR | Thanks |
20:04:47 | LithiumTR | Sec |
20:05:02 | linuxstb_ | That will then load rockbox from the FAT32 partition - meaning you don't have to use ipodpatcher whenever you install a new version of Rockbox. |
20:05:18 | LithiumTR | It'll load rockbox.ipod from the root? |
20:05:33 | linuxstb_ | Yes, or from .rockbox/ if you wanted to move it into that folder. |
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20:06:06 | LithiumTR | Image 1: |
20:06:06 | LithiumTR | Main firmware - 60508 bytes |
20:06:06 | LithiumTR | Image 2: |
20:06:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
20:06:06 | LithiumTR | RSRC - 5244928 bytes |
20:06:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 5 |
20:06:06 | LithiumTR | Image 3: |
20:06:06 | w1ll14m | linuxstb_ are you developer? |
20:06:07 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
20:06:07 | LithiumTR | AUPD - 1075200 bytes |
20:06:09 | LithiumTR | Image 4: |
20:06:11 | LithiumTR | HIBE - 33556480 bytes |
20:06:24 | LithiumTR | That's after running -wf with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
20:06:28 | linuxstb_ | LithiumTR: That's perfect. |
20:06:48 | LithiumTR | I'll reboot into Rockbox now |
20:06:49 | linuxstb_ | (but you shouldn't really be pasting that many lines into this IRC channel...) |
20:06:56 | LithiumTR | Sorry |
20:07:06 | linuxstb_ | w1ll14m: Yes |
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20:07:20 | LithiumTR | Shutdown reboots the player |
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20:07:32 | w1ll14m | ok, can i ask you what the function is of #define CPUFREQ_MAX |
20:07:55 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: is it just info for debug menu ? |
20:08:44 | linuxstb | No, it's used with the set_cpu_frequency() function as well. |
20:08:59 | w1ll14m | lithiumtr: i can send you my 'firmware partition' dump wich includes bootloader |
20:09:08 | LithiumTR | Are there any settings that could screw up the shutdown? |
20:09:08 | w1ll14m | i don't have the reboot bug... |
20:09:18 | w1ll14m | not that i know of..... |
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20:09:39 | linuxstb | LithiumTR: What do you mean by "shutdown reboots the player"? |
20:09:55 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: ok, ive changed a bit of code, maybe it's usefull if it is stable, it speeds up my ipod alot..... |
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20:10:09 | LithiumTR | I hold play, get "Shutting down...", the LCD goes blank then the Apple logo is displayed and the bootloader starts again |
20:10:31 | Mikachu | silly question, you let go of play when it says shutting down, right? :) |
20:10:39 | LithiumTR | Haha, yeah |
20:10:42 | w1ll14m | lol |
20:11:55 | w1ll14m | brb got some food |
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20:12:12 | linuxstb | LithiumTR: Do you have anything plugged into your ipod (apart from headphones) ? |
20:12:22 | LithiumTR | No, nothing at all |
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20:13:17 | linuxstb | When Rockbox shuts down the ipod, it tells the power management chip to wake up on one of two conditions - ONKEY (which is either MENU or SELECT), or ONCHARGE (i.e. power plugged in). |
20:13:42 | Mikachu | i thought that was hardcoded |
20:13:51 | LithiumTR | I'm not pressing anything after letting go of play |
20:14:01 | LithiumTR | Should I try an older version of rockbox.ipod |
20:14:11 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No, Rockbox is responsible for setting the wakeup condition. |
20:14:18 | Mikachu | what happens if it doesn't? |
20:14:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
20:14:30 | * | Mikachu worries |
20:14:32 | linuxstb | LithiumTR: I strongly doubt it would help - that code has been in Rockbox for about a year. |
20:14:42 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Then your ipod never wakes up.... |
20:14:58 | LithiumTR | Okay |
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20:15:01 | Mikachu | so it could be used for bricking? |
20:15:02 | LithiumTR | Any suggestions? |
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20:15:25 | Mikachu | i guess nobody has consciously tried to set the condition empty, maybe it defaults to some sane settings then |
20:15:27 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Temporary bricking - the battery will eventually drain... |
20:15:41 | Mikachu | ah |
20:15:44 | linuxstb | (but after a good few weeks I expect) |
20:15:54 | LithiumTR | Ouch |
20:15:55 | linuxstb | LithiumTR: Does anything odd happen in the Apple firmware? |
20:16:08 | LithiumTR | The Apple firmware works fine, although I haven't really used it |
20:16:09 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
20:16:15 | linuxstb | Or you physically disconnect the battery... |
20:16:22 | LithiumTR | I've bought an iPod as I can't find a decent quality Ogg-Vorbis (native) player that doesn't make me want to cry |
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20:16:39 | LithiumTR | And without Rockbox, the iPod firmware is useless as Ogg-Vorbis support is required for me |
20:17:01 | Mikachu | i thought rockbox used plain libvorbis tremor with some modifications |
20:17:23 | Mikachu | maybe you mean the interface though |
20:17:41 | linuxstb | A similar (and also very rare) problem with some ipods was that Rockbox always falsely detected USB when they booted. In that case, the Apple firmware also displayed a charging symbol when there was no power attached. |
20:17:53 | LithiumTR | Mine doesn't do that |
20:18:14 | LithiumTR | The Apple firmware detects USB connection fine |
20:18:19 | LithiumTR | And powers off fine |
20:18:32 | LithiumTR | I read about the problem with false USB detection in the forums actually |
20:18:43 | linuxstb | If you were adventurous, you could try modifying the wake-up condition, to see which condition your ipod is falsely detecting. |
20:18:58 | LithiumTR | The iPod arrived about ten hours ago, it's literally brand new |
20:19:26 | LithiumTR | I've left the iPod to auto power off after 5 minutes of idle time |
20:19:31 | LithiumTR | And I get the bootloader saying - |
20:19:34 | Mikachu | if one were to try something like that, one could drain the battery first |
20:19:44 | LithiumTR | "No Retgi1OS detected..." |
20:19:52 | Mikachu | not RetailOS? |
20:19:55 | LithiumTR | Yeah |
20:19:56 | LithiumTR | Soory |
20:19:57 | linuxstb | Is the hold switch on? |
20:20:01 | LithiumTR | Yes it is |
20:20:07 | LithiumTR | It warns me on the bootloader |
20:20:15 | linuxstb | That's the trigger to tell the bootloader to start the original firmware (aka RetailOS). |
20:20:22 | linuxstb | And in your case, it can't find it... |
20:20:26 | LithiumTR | Ah |
20:20:51 | linuxstb | You could always leave retailos on your ipod, and reboot into it to shutdown. |
20:20:57 | LithiumTR | Actually |
20:20:58 | LithiumTR | Good idea |
20:21:11 | Mikachu | doesn't retailos just go into sleep mode? |
20:21:19 | linuxstb | Yes, but it's better than nothing... |
20:21:25 | LithiumTR | Dumb question, is there any "cleaner" way to reboot into the iPod software |
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20:21:39 | LithiumTR | Or is it shutdown Rockbox, then activate hold |
20:21:48 | Mikachu | you could try waiting for 24 or 36 hours, or whatever it is, and see what happens when retailos really shuts down |
20:22:20 | LithiumTR | This might be the proble |
20:22:22 | LithiumTR | *problem |
20:22:25 | Mikachu | could be sort of hard to catch |
20:22:34 | LithiumTR | If I disconnect the iPod from USB after installing Rockbox |
20:22:38 | LithiumTR | And try to remove the bootloader |
20:22:45 | LithiumTR | I get "no bootloader detected" from ipodpatcher |
20:22:52 | LithiumTR | Yet, before disconnecting I can remove the bootloader |
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20:25:11 | w1ll14m | back..... |
20:25:25 | LithiumTR | A point worth mentioning |
20:25:36 | LithiumTR | When disconnecting USB, the battery indicater DOES detect it's no longer plugged in |
20:25:43 | LithiumTR | So the iPod thinks I am pressing menu or select? |
20:26:25 | w1ll14m | lithiumtr do you want to try my firmware partition dump ? |
20:26:30 | LithiumTR | Okay |
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20:26:39 | w1ll14m | just a sec.... ll pm you |
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20:29:38 | LithiumTR | How do I reboot into Rockbox from the iPod firmware? |
20:29:41 | LithiumTR | (Is that even possible) |
20:29:55 | w1ll14m | Hold menu + select for a few seconds |
20:30:07 | w1ll14m | then it forces a reboot |
20:31:08 | LithiumTR | Thanks |
20:31:29 | LithiumTR | I've got a Linux box, w1ll14m |
20:31:45 | LithiumTR | I can't PM you as I'm not registered |
20:32:04 | Mikachu | you can enable getting pms from unregistered people, i forget exactly how though |
20:32:09 | w1ll14m | type /msg register [yourpassword] |
20:32:43 | LithiumTR | Is there any way to control the tags used in the WPS |
20:32:53 | w1ll14m | add new tags you mean ? |
20:32:56 | Mikachu | you can change the wps |
20:33:07 | w1ll14m | yeah use nano or some text editor..... |
20:33:18 | LithiumTR | It's not showing the artist |
20:33:33 | LithiumTR | The files are tagged |
20:33:48 | Mikachu | i think most wpses use the artist tag.. |
20:33:55 | w1ll14m | sometimes rockbox is slow with loading artist.... press pause and wait e sec,,,, |
20:34:16 | w1ll14m | after it has loaded all tracks you should see the artist.... |
20:34:28 | w1ll14m | lithium, have you registered your nick ? |
20:34:48 | LithiumTR | Ah, wait, if there's no album tag it won't display the artist |
20:35:03 | Mikachu | that sounds like crazy logic |
20:35:26 | LithiumTR | I've got a few hundred singles stuck in a dir, all tagged but obviously no album tag information |
20:35:37 | LithiumTR | So Duran Duran isn't showing up :P |
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20:35:40 | LithiumTR | I'll register now |
20:36:17 | w1ll14m | ok |
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20:38:34 | LithiumTR | ~2200kbps |
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20:42:57 | Nimdae | ok, ijust read about the new apple iphone |
20:43:03 | Nimdae | when's the rockbox port for that coming? |
20:43:11 | bluey- | never, its vapoware |
20:43:21 | Nimdae | actually |
20:43:29 | Nimdae | it was showcased at macworld |
20:43:40 | Nimdae | so it's apparently not vaporware anymore |
20:43:44 | Nimdae | it's also on apple.com |
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20:44:13 | DogBoy | where on apple.com |
20:44:25 | Nimdae | the front-freaking-page |
20:44:35 | DogBoy | I was just looking at that |
20:44:41 | Mikachu | Nimdae: same time as any other accessory gets supported is my guess |
20:44:59 | Nimdae | Mikachu: GREAT! so that means there's a chance! :P |
20:45:14 | Nimdae | i was being facetious about the rockbox port, btw |
20:45:25 | DogBoy | no kidding |
20:48:26 | DogBoy | funny, I was just looking there earlier |
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20:50:14 | _Nw | hi |
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20:52:53 | bluey- | i`m sure it wont be supported |
20:53:00 | linuxstb | Hmm, from the iphone website: "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained." |
20:53:09 | Nimdae | it's a phone, i doubt we'll see rockbox on it |
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20:53:42 | bluey- | anyway i think its just a toy for the elite or geeks |
20:54:01 | Mikachu | i would have put "used" somewhere in that disclaimer too |
20:55:06 | Nimdae | it's apparently due out in june |
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20:59:43 | _Nw | any lucky people, who managed to run rb on toshiba f-series with old firmware? |
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21:00:14 | LithiumTR | sh: w1ll14m: command not found |
21:00:23 | Mikachu | heh |
21:00:29 | LithiumTR | Wtf |
21:00:50 | Mikachu | did you mean /exec -msg w1ll14m or something? |
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21:04:13 | tucoz | linuxstb, do you have a link to the iphone website? |
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21:07:24 | LithiumTR | No I don't |
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21:11:54 | dan_a | I thought I'd managed to semi-brick a player within an hour of getting it! |
21:12:03 | GodEater | nice work :) |
21:12:04 | linuxstb | tucoz: http://www.apple.com/iphone/ |
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21:12:22 | dan_a | Fortunately, I was wrong :D |
21:12:32 | GodEater | thank goodness |
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21:17:47 | dan_a | I love having access to the real drive in emergency recovery mode! It makes life so much easier for testing things |
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21:19:07 | GodEater | when was that iPhone think launched then? Is it actually available anywhere yet ? |
21:19:14 | GodEater | s/think/thing |
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21:19:41 | bluey- | afaik middle of the year |
21:20:10 | GodEater | and it runs OSX it says. Neat. Posix in your pocket" |
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21:20:19 | GodEater | :) |
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21:21:26 | tucoz | linuxstb, thanks. looks like a pretty phone |
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21:21:51 | Nimdae | $600 phone |
21:22:02 | Nimdae | that's allegedly WITH a provider contract |
21:22:11 | Nimdae | i COULD be wrong |
21:22:25 | tucoz | much for a phone. but that will not stop the apple zealots |
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21:25:39 | Cassandra | Wonder if 3com or whoever owns the iPhone trademark will sue them. |
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21:26:29 | tucoz | don't you think apple have solved that issue before they present their new toy? |
21:27:18 | amiconn | Mikachu: If you clear the wakeup conditions from the pm chip and then shut down, the ipod won't wake up the normal way. Waiting for the battery to drain would probably take months. The only way to quickly wake it up again would be to open the ipod, disconnect the battery, wait a minute or so and then reconnect the battery |
21:27:55 | Mikachu | ah |
21:27:56 | Xerion | think linksys owned it |
21:28:13 | tucoz | is that the same as cisco |
21:28:36 | Xerion | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_News_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1165633352046&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
21:28:38 | amiconn | Opening an ipod can be tricky depending on the model... |
21:28:50 | tucoz | there is a small discussion on the iphone trademark issues in this article http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2081051,00.asp |
21:29:14 | linuxstb | "Cisco spokeswoman Penny Bruce said the two companies had been in discussions, and it believed that Apple intends to agree to a final document and public statement concerning the trademark." |
21:29:36 | Mikachu | amiconn: no way to drain it through one of the pins on the uni.dock contact? |
21:29:45 | * | amiconn guesses at least one ipl dev had to learn that the hard way |
21:29:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: You're not wrong. |
21:30:30 | tucoz | Xerion, ok. thanks :) |
21:30:35 | tucoz | for the link |
21:30:41 | Xerion | np :) |
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21:30:43 | amiconn | Mikachu: Perhaps, but then deep-discharging LiIon batteries is not recommended |
21:30:58 | Mikachu | isn't that what would happen anyway if you waited half a year? |
21:31:02 | Terinjokes | i say rockbox for iPhone :D |
21:31:03 | amiconn | (but afaik the chip will shut down completely to protect the battery at some voltage point) |
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21:31:59 | amiconn | Disconnect-reconnect is definitely the better (and faster, but slightly more involved) way |
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21:36:10 | GodEater | nice - the svn co is very quick |
21:36:44 | alberink | ah, was just about to ask why CVS commiting was disabled. So CVS is moving to SVN? |
21:36:52 | GodEater | yep |
21:36:57 | RedZZR | does it work on the VMWare image? |
21:37:12 | GodEater | if you do an "apt-get install subversion" I believe so :) |
21:37:25 | alberink | Had noticed already that there were no commits for the day. I already wandered what was up... :) |
21:37:28 | GodEater | although I couldn't tell you for sure since I don't use the VMWare image |
21:37:45 | RedZZR | thanks will try that |
21:38:04 | GodEater | I'm surprised they didn't put something on rockbox.org's front page about it to be honest |
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21:38:36 | GodEater | although it was posted to the mailing list |
21:38:56 | alberink | Oh, I'm sure they'll announce it after all the tooling has been converted to use SVN in place of CVS and the move is complete. |
21:38:59 | pixelma | tucoz: still around? |
21:39:29 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps the channel topic should tell the reason for disabling cvs? |
21:39:40 | GodEater | amiconn: might be an idea :) |
21:39:47 | tucoz | pixelma, yes |
21:40:12 | GodEater | alberink: I think the conversion is already complete - the only thing we're still waiting on is Bagder handing out commit access again |
21:40:33 | GodEater | I just checked out the whole tree again using svn |
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21:40:56 | Zagor | yes the conversion was done yesterday. we're doodling with various aspects before letting the whorde in :-) |
21:41:06 | Topic | "CVS committing is now disabled, CVS => SVN transition in progress." by amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
21:41:11 | tucoz | i think there are a bunch of scripts still waiting for fixes as well |
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21:41:22 | tucoz | or maybe those are fixed already |
21:41:47 | tucoz | like the buildtable script, and frontpage commit messages etc |
21:42:05 | GodEater | I believe there were some issues with some files being moved over as text files when they should have been moved as binaries too |
21:42:08 | alberink | Ah well... I understand a move to SVN completely... |
21:42:09 | Zagor | yup, work in progress |
21:42:15 | pixelma | hi, do you remember why there are two bounce plugin screenshots (files) - one for the ondiofm and the other for the ondiosp (should be the same)? |
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21:42:25 | pixelma | @ tucoz |
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21:43:02 | tucoz | hmm. that could be as a temporary workaround, just when we split the ondio builds |
21:43:05 | tucoz | manuals |
21:43:58 | tucoz | i wonder if it is possible to check that now. like when the files were added etc. |
21:44:21 | pixelma | I found on the frontpage that you committed them |
21:44:48 | tucoz | ah. i'll check |
21:44:59 | pixelma | June 7th |
21:46:07 | tucoz | yep. I am pretty sure that was done as a temporary measure to fix builderrors for the ondios |
21:46:08 | amiconn | Hmm, talking about bounce screenshots - they need to be remade for most, if not all, targets |
21:47:15 | tucoz | pixelma, if you look on the 6th of june, i duplicated a bunch of ondio-screenshots |
21:48:31 | tucoz | from the 5th-7th of june, there were lots of more or less thought through commits made |
21:49:17 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: my boost ratio is now between 65% and 75% :) |
21:50:00 | w1ll14m | that's how it should be .... |
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21:52:08 | tucoz | so none of the ondios have a rtc? |
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21:52:37 | pixelma | nope |
21:52:38 | Kyokon | Is there any way I can make the left channel a little louder? I'm pretty sure my new headphones are unbalanced, because it always seems the music is more focused on the right channel |
21:52:48 | pixelma | tucoz: so a screenshot declaratione of "*-ondio" would suffice now (where there are differences to the other Archos players but the same for both Ondios)? |
21:53:03 | * | amiconn wonders what w1ll14m did |
21:53:35 | dan_a | amiconn: He changed the maximum CPU on his iPod to 105MHz |
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21:54:12 | amiconn | Oh, out of specs... |
21:54:30 | tucoz | pixelma, i know now why there are two files for bounce on the ondios. We can not separate by resolution, as recorder is showing a clock in the background. If there is a \specimg present, this will be used over the resolution one, and we have to separate the two ondios in other cases. |
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21:54:51 | tucoz | pixelma, like when the screen shows radio etc |
21:55:10 | pixelma | yes... figured. |
21:56:11 | tucoz | i can not think of another way to fix this, unless you want opting which is a worse solution imho. |
21:59:33 | tucoz | see you |
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22:01:54 | KCC | someone overclocked their iPod... would this be possible with a Gigabeat? |
22:02:03 | KCC | its already 200mHz if i remember correctly |
22:02:26 | Mikachu | when i ran my nano at 78 instead of 75 it constantly played audio strangely |
22:02:33 | Mikachu | i might have done something wrong and ran it way faster, i dunno :) |
22:02:42 | Mikachu | it worked when i put it in the fridge :) |
22:03:05 | KCC | Gigabeat is 300MHz, apologies |
22:03:08 | KCC | whatta beast! |
22:05:11 | amiconn | Mikachu: Really? 78MHz is still within specs (assuming the maximum clock for pp5021 is the same as for pp5020) |
22:05:44 | amiconn | I was able to run my mini G2 reliably at 96MHz (still within specs for pp5022) |
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22:06:45 | linuxstb | That's assuming it really was running at that clock speed. |
22:06:54 | Mikachu | i am almost certain i did something wrong :) |
22:06:55 | amiconn | It was |
22:07:03 | linuxstb | (I'm talking about w1ll14m|away) |
22:07:16 | amiconn | ah |
22:08:16 | dan_a | I've not worked out what his settings would have taken the speed to |
22:08:36 | KCC | what are the benefits of overclocking your mp3? |
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22:08:45 | amiconn | Did he change CPUFREQ_MAX_MULT ? |
22:08:46 | * | dan_a is busy playing with a Samsung YH-820 |
22:08:48 | KCC | other than something like rockboy, i cant think of any obvious benefits |
22:09:08 | dan_a | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095#comment12366 |
22:09:11 | linuxstb | mpegplayer... |
22:09:38 | bonbonthejon | would overclocking help decoding skips |
22:10:48 | Mikachu | only if they're very short |
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22:11:16 | bonbonthejon | ok, because sometimes it skips for maybe half a second |
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22:42:33 | Doomed | is there a way to make viewers viewable in the the 'browse plugins'? |
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22:43:52 | kyokon | My stereo is too unbalanced, how can I move sound from the right channel into the left and vice verca? |
22:44:04 | Llorean | Doomed: That doesn't even make sense. Viewers can't be launched on their own, so why do it? |
22:44:36 | Doomed | dunno |
22:44:38 | pixelma | kyokon: search for the balance setting in the manual (hint!) ;) |
22:44:48 | Mikachu | Doomed: move them from viewers/ to rocks/ |
22:45:13 | Doomed | its just annoying to swtich to 'all' to open a file |
22:45:29 | kyokon | balance doesn't really seem to help, even though it's directly related to the problem (the right ear seems to be louder) |
22:45:31 | Mikachu | that has nothing to do with your previous question |
22:45:39 | Llorean | Doomed: What are you switching to "All" to open? |
22:45:46 | Doomed | txt or a video |
22:45:53 | Doomed | from database |
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22:45:54 | Llorean | Have you tried Supported instead of Music? |
22:46:00 | Llorean | Don't use database then. |
22:46:23 | Llorean | kyokon: No matter how you adjust the balance the right side is always louder? |
22:46:27 | Doomed | eh, this is a lot of do this or dont do this |
22:47:13 | linuxstb_ | Doomed: I think everyone agrees that the database and browser views need to be integrated in some way, but no-one's done it yet. |
22:47:31 | Llorean | Doomed: To use a viewer, you *have* to click on a file. So filetree browsing is essential. Either figure out a way to incorporate database in filetree, or filetree in database, or deal with the fact that they're two separate schemes. |
22:47:42 | Doomed | yeah |
22:48:00 | Doomed | i would love to help this project but i dont know any coding skills |
22:48:32 | kyokon | Llorean: Well, the balance moves the sound by subtracting from the right and adding to the left, which isn't what I need: I want to put some of the right into the left, without reducing the right. |
22:48:54 | Llorean | kyokon: Why not reduce the right, then increase the total by simply upping the volume? |
22:49:36 | Doomed | maybe your headphones are messed up |
22:49:46 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I think there's also still the question of "Should the filetree show up underneath the database view, or should database be a virtual folder under the filetree?" |
22:49:57 | kyokon | Llorean: when I same "subtracting", I don't mean subtracting volume, but sound elements. for example, a cymbal clash, it moves the entire clash into the left channel. |
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22:50:23 | kyokon | i'm pretty sure it is my headphones, which irritates me since they're brand new $180 sennheisers that i can't return |
22:50:37 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Or a third option - the "root menu" proposal, with database and filetree both being options from that. |
22:50:50 | Doomed | i think the way it should be sorted is that there is an option in the db. such as videos, text etc |
22:51:15 | Doomed | and they would correlate to a folder like X:\videos, X:\text |
22:51:48 | linuxstb_ | How would the database organise the video and text files? |
22:51:55 | Llorean | kyokon: Balance just adjusts the volume between the two channels. It does not move sound from one to the other. If you think a sound has moved it's just because you can now hear it more clearly in one place than the other. |
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22:52:24 | Doomed | by name? but it would be the default db menu, so you have artist album, etc then at the bottom have video and others |
22:52:49 | Doomed | or you have a db that steps it out on further, so you would have video, music, text, games |
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22:54:05 | dan_a | Maybe have raw disk access as an entry in the DB menu, configurable through tagnavi.conf? |
22:54:23 | Llorean | dan_a: That's what my vote is for. |
22:55:12 | bluebrother | I think it would be nice to have an entry in tagnavi.config that allows to set filetype(s) (like music, playlists, etc.) or extension(s) and a new root folder |
22:55:12 | kyokon | hmm, that seems strange, i could've sworn it was moving sounds, because even a 2% adjustment to the balance makes a cymbal clash that used to be inaudible on the left, inaudible on the right |
22:55:23 | Doomed | i assume dan_as |
22:55:30 | Doomed | way would take less coding |
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22:56:20 | Llorean | bluebrother: Much like the check to see whether the Genre is equal to something, but instead whether the extension is equal to something, or the filename contains a specific string? |
22:57:00 | bluebrother | yes, like that. But with the possibility to have a range. I'm thinking of the predefined "Music", "Supported" etc. |
22:57:21 | Doomed | bluebrother idea is like mine, since there is only (as of now) a few file types supported for each, mpeg and txt, it could be added to DB |
22:57:27 | dan_a | Llorean, bluebrother: Possibly use the viewer to group by filetype? |
22:57:29 | bluebrother | and being able to configure a root folder would be nice for those people who want a specific folder e.g. for images |
22:58:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well that could be a "path" entry in the tagcache. |
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22:58:50 | bluebrother | might be an idea. But that would require you to have a matching entry in viewers.config |
22:58:54 | Llorean | If you had tagcache include the path, filename, and extension, and gave the option to display by filename rather than "Title" that would about cover it. |
22:58:57 | bluebrother | which is already pretty crowded |
22:59:14 | * | bluebrother thinks if there might be a better way grouping file extensions to one viewer plugin |
22:59:56 | bluebrother | something like fileview : /Music : {Supported} or fileview : /My Music : {mp3,ogg} |
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23:00:11 | bluebrother | not sure how this fits into the current tagnavi syntax though |
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23:01:41 | Doomed | i kinda have an idea, but i dont know how it could be encorporated |
23:01:49 | bluebrother | "My Fileview" -> filesystem -> /starting/folder ? type = mp3 | ogg |
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23:02:18 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think it'd be better to just have tagnavie treat "path" "filename" and "extension" as it does tags. That would allow *most* of what you want already, I think, with some tagnavi editing. |
23:02:26 | Doomed | what about this |
23:02:30 | Doomed | http://depositfiles.com/files/513783 |
23:02:40 | Zagor | why on earth would you want to browse the file tree IN the database? |
23:02:42 | DJRed2000 | hi |
23:02:44 | dan_a | Ideally you would be able to do fileview : /My Music : {Audio}\n fileview : /Pictures : {Images}\n |
23:02:50 | Llorean | Zagor: For formats that don't have *any* metadata. |
23:03:05 | bluebrother | Llorean, yes, I think that would be sufficient |
23:03:07 | Llorean | Zagor: As well as videos, text files, and other things that would normally require flipping back and forth. |
23:03:10 | Zagor | I repeat: then why in the database? |
23:03:13 | Doomed | then it should be sorted by file type, jpg, txt, .mpeg |
23:03:16 | Llorean | bluebrother: It would also keep things very consistent. |
23:03:34 | Alonea | ok, I did a silly thing. I usually listen to music before I sleep and I had the lcd setting to go off on 90 secs while hold button was on. Well, it would go off, but every couple minutes it would turn back on again. I was basically half asleep and I kinda turned off my lcd to the point of where I can't get it back on because I can't see the menus... |
23:03:43 | Zagor | the database is there precisely to handle metadata. without metadata, there is no point in adding files to the db. |
23:03:46 | bluebrother | using {mp3,ogg} instead of having {Audio} should be ok. |
23:03:47 | Llorean | Zagor: Primarily because some people want to only use database, and I think indexing filename, extension, and path would allow a custom tagnavi to cover most of what they want without overcomplicating things. |
23:04:01 | Llorean | Technically those are Metadata anyway, in a way. |
23:04:22 | Zagor | Llorean: then fool them by adding a virtual folder that takes them to the file browser. don't spend code and sweat duplicating it in the db. |
23:04:47 | dan_a | Zagor: I don't think the files would be *in* the database, but rather the overall file browser would be changed so that Database and File views were mixed |
23:04:53 | Llorean | Zagor: The virtual folder that takes them to the file browser was the first suggestion. We were exploring other options. |
23:04:53 | DJRed2000 | is the rockbox GUI written in C? |
23:05:11 | Zagor | dan_a: ok, then I understand |
23:05:19 | bluebrother | but adding a virtual folder you can configure what files it displays (read: view) and where it starts is mostly the same, isn't it? |
23:05:20 | Zagor | Llorean: right. carry on :-) |
23:05:37 | bluebrother | DJRed2000, yes |
23:05:42 | bluebrother | with parts in assembler |
23:05:49 | Zagor | bluebrother: no, you're making it too complex. |
23:05:56 | Doomed | it wouldnt even have to be in the db, just link it to a default folder, like videos, just to show them in db view, but showing in a file tree view, is that what you were saying Llorean? |
23:06:06 | DJRed2000 | ok |
23:06:08 | bluebrother | hehe, might be. I tend to be a complex person :) |
23:06:12 | Llorean | Zagor: My personal favorite is a virtual folder in the database, and no sign of the database in the normal filetree, but that doesn't offer the kind of customizability people got used to with the tagnavi, so I was coming up with more flexible alternatives, if a bit fluffier. |
23:06:28 | Zagor | "people who want an /image folder" will simply create an /image folder. and we can already handle those. we don't need to mess up the database with that. |
23:06:55 | Doomed | Zagor just have it so that there is the db showing Music, Images, Text, Videos |
23:06:59 | bluebrother | sure, but those people will expect when having a virtual folder "Images" in the DB view to open up that folder |
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23:07:30 | Doomed | i think this is getting too complicated, ill just watch |
23:07:35 | bluebrother | which in turn would require at least being able to specify a root folder for that virtual folder |
23:07:38 | Zagor | Doomed: why? what is the advantage in putting text files or images in the db? |
23:07:57 | Doomed | ease of use |
23:07:58 | bluebrother | I prefer the DB to have only files with metadata, i.e. music |
23:08:10 | Doomed | it wouldnt necessarily be in the db |
23:08:24 | Zagor | Doomed: are you sure? you will surely confuse at least as many as you help, imho. |
23:08:26 | Doomed | but there would be the option in the db view to see those files |
23:08:27 | linuxstb_ | It could be nice to add metadata to the database about videos, text files, images etc though... |
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23:09:00 | Doomed | it would be a fully featured db then linuxstb and it could be easier to use |
23:09:05 | * | Llorean still thinks 'extension' and 'filename' at least qualify as metadata. |
23:09:13 | Doomed | i agree |
23:09:35 | Zagor | linuxstb_: do you know a standard for metadata in text files? |
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23:09:43 | Zagor | or videos, or images for that matter |
23:09:47 | Llorean | Although I'm playing a little literal with a definition of the word "metadata" other than the one we seem to be using. |
23:10:04 | Llorean | Zagor: Videos can have it depending on their container, and same with images, at least jpeg. |
23:10:06 | Doomed | heh in windows you can add data to a txt file |
23:10:21 | bluebrother | data != metadata |
23:10:24 | bluebrother | :) |
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23:10:29 | Zagor | when people copy files to a folder on their harddrive, they expect to navigate the harddrive to find them. not a wonking database. |
23:10:44 | Doomed | Zagor thats besides the point |
23:10:53 | Doomed | people who dont want DB, dont have to use it |
23:11:09 | Llorean | Doomed: And people who are irritated with a missing feature in DB don't have to use it |
23:11:10 | Doomed | but we are thinking of ways to make the db better for those who want to use the DB |
23:11:11 | Zagor | Doomed: people who want DB, don't want the bugs you are about to add :-) |
23:11:18 | Llorean | Doomed: Any feature added to DB *does* cost non-DB users though. |
23:11:22 | pixelma | bluebrother: tex-question. IIUC "\screenshot" builds the patch to the image from what I defined plus -<configured target> or -<resolution>. For the Ondio manuals this leeds to duplication of _some_ files (where the screenshot differs from the other Archos but is the same for both Ondios). Would it be possible to have it search for -<ondio> additionally to avoid that (and would it be worth the effort)? |
23:11:41 | Zagor | Doomed: I think you have failed to identify the people who "want to use the db" |
23:11:44 | Doomed | im not irrated, im just saying stuff could be added |
23:11:49 | Llorean | Zagor: See, I think adding 'filename' 'extension' and maybe 'path' as just 3 more database entries won't be likely to add bugs as long as they're treated exactly like tags. |
23:11:54 | Zagor | or maybe I wasn't here then |
23:12:01 | Doomed | well if nobody wanted the db it surely wouldnt be in the firmware would it |
23:12:16 | Zagor | Doomed: the db for non-metadata files. |
23:12:38 | Llorean | Zagor: We do get requests for it, so people can play their gameboy games. =/ |
23:12:40 | Zagor | Llorean: you miss the synchronisation aspect, for one |
23:12:52 | Llorean | Zagor: Synchronisation aspect? |
23:12:52 | Doomed | its been brought up that it doesnt need to be a db |
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23:13:05 | Zagor | Doomed: it could be like a ... directory tree |
23:13:09 | bluebrother | pixelma, we could add another check for something like a player class |
23:13:18 | Doomed | your really arent adding to the conversation Zagor |
23:13:24 | DJRed2000 | are all the GUI files kept in the \apps\gui directory? |
23:13:48 | Llorean | Doomed: And you aren't being respectful of other's views. |
23:13:49 | bluebrother | hmm, are there different images between ondio fm and sp? |
23:14:14 | Llorean | Doomed: You're suggesting an idea that could make the code buggier, as well as inflating binary size thus affecting non-DB users whether they like it or not, to solve a problem of laziness. |
23:14:25 | pixelma | bluebrother: yes because of the radio (for example in the menu) |
23:14:26 | bluebrother | DJRed2000, no. |
23:14:31 | Doomed | ok, sorry about not seeming to respect others views |
23:14:35 | bluebrother | hmm. |
23:14:39 | Llorean | There is nothing preventing you from accessing your files now, you just want to have to go through about 3 less button presses to switch file view modes. |
23:14:41 | pixelma | (recording too) |
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23:14:44 | Doomed | would the size truely affect it? |
23:14:50 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, adding new files to the db means people need to rebuild/resynchronise the db when copying such files to it. standard procedure for mp3 files, not so common for .jpg files. |
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23:15:26 | Llorean | Zagor: Ah, well, I'm not really concerned about forcing people to reinitialize their database, but that's just me. As far as I'm concerned, the format isn't finalized yet. |
23:15:34 | LithiumTR | Anybody had any experience of shutdown problems with a 30GB 5.5 generation iPod? |
23:15:46 | Llorean | As for the update, it'll only happen if automatic updating is enabled. |
23:16:02 | Doomed | but if we used the idea of just shortcutting to a folder, it wouldnt add to the db at all right? |
23:16:13 | Llorean | Doomed: It'd still add code size to the binary. |
23:16:16 | Zagor | Llorean: ...and if not, people will be confused. "where are my files" |
23:16:31 | Doomed | hmm |
23:16:43 | Llorean | Zagor: Only if they don't know they're using the database, which seems like it would be odd. |
23:17:27 | Llorean | Zagor: I'm still in favour of the file tree 'link' being added to the database view, I just think if the files are going to be incorporated directly instead, that would be the way to do it. |
23:17:43 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'm not sure if we kept an eye on that but this should apply to recorders and fmrecordrs too |
23:18:38 | Zagor | Llorean: I'm definitely in favor of a link, and very opposed to adding them to the db. |
23:18:58 | Llorean | Zagor: Aye, I'm not "very" opposed, but I favour the link. |
23:19:07 | Doomed | linking to one big file tree? |
23:19:10 | * | amiconn would prefer the db to be a virtual directory in the filetree root |
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23:19:56 | pixelma | bluebrother: oh.. no we didn't... the pure "Recorder" manual shows a screenshot with a "FM radio setting" in the main menu screenshot... |
23:20:02 | Zagor | amiconn: clean implementation, but that makes searching a mess. |
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23:20:19 | amiconn | Zagor: in what way? |
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23:21:15 | Zagor | amiconn: combination searches would need duplicated data, would it not? (ie. "pop < 1992") |
23:21:35 | bluebrother | for recorder vs. fmrecorder the use of \specimg could solve that |
23:22:00 | * | amiconn wonders what database searches have to do with the filetree, or where the db is hooked |
23:22:04 | bluebrother | we could even use \specimg always for recorder screenshots and leave the size for ondio |
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23:22:12 | bluebrother | and when needed separate them ... |
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23:23:00 | Zagor | amiconn: meh, I misunderstood you completely. i thought you referred to an old-school pseudo-db implementation in the file tree... |
23:23:16 | bluebrother | damn, time is too fast today :( |
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23:23:30 | Aquatrini | Hi, if anyone here is working on the sansa, I posted a datasheet for the audio chip in the sansa forum. |
23:23:42 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'm not sure I understand at the moment |
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23:24:17 | bluebrother | we have 4 targets at the same resolution. So we need to decide which is the "generic" screenshot |
23:24:43 | bluebrother | currently I think this is recorder, and everything else uses the specimg if a different image is needed |
23:24:48 | dan_a | Aquatrini: Does that give details on how to use the chip, or is it just the 3 page features document? |
23:25:13 | linuxstb_ | It just looks like the product brief to me... |
23:25:21 | bluebrother | but we could use -recorder and -recorderv2fm (which is already defined), and leave the images without specimg to the ondio shots |
23:25:46 | Llorean | Aquatrini: "The material herein may not be reproduced, adapted, merged, translated, stored, or used without the prior written consent of the copyright owner." as well |
23:26:00 | bluebrother | for screenshots that are identical to all targets it doesn't make a change, and for the others we need to have a look anyway |
23:26:44 | pixelma | bluebrother: ondiofm and ondiosp is also already defined. I just tried to think of an easy solution that avoids duplicates |
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23:27:18 | bluebrother | that's what I am searching for too ;-) |
23:27:33 | Aquatrini | ok, ok |
23:27:41 | bluebrother | so the question is which players share the most pictures |
23:28:04 | pixelma | hehe.. ok. It's only that I don't know much about latex so far |
23:28:09 | bluebrother | the distinctuion could also be dynamic ... |
23:28:31 | bluebrother | that's more an organization thing atm. |
23:28:49 | bluebrother | I could extend the macro, but it's a bit messy quite yet because of all those checks |
23:29:12 | dan_a | Aquatrini: Thanks for your help, anyway :) |
23:29:26 | pixelma | bluebrother: I thought the easiest was something like the check you proposed first |
23:29:33 | bluebrother | btw, maybe we should decide which theme to use for screenshots. |
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23:30:20 | pixelma | theme? |
23:30:22 | bluebrother | as the default font is quite tiny for the larger sized targets. I think using iCatcher as general theme wouldn't be a bad idea |
23:30:36 | bluebrother | Rockbox theme. |
23:31:14 | pixelma | ah... but then the wps is explained while "looking" at the default |
23:31:27 | bluebrother | currently the fonts e.g. are a bit mixed through the screenshots |
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23:31:38 | pixelma | (without a screenshot though) |
23:32:03 | bluebrother | we would need to (a) adjust that or (b) mention both in some way |
23:32:33 | bluebrother | it would solve the small fonts on large displays to some degree |
23:32:41 | pixelma | it should be mentioned either way IMO |
23:33:08 | bluebrother | and, as I hope iCatcher gets default somewhen in the future, we would already have the matching screenshots :) |
23:33:28 | pixelma | iCatcher wouldn't explain peakmeters... |
23:33:36 | bluebrother | good point. |
23:33:56 | bluebrother | I still have adding a "all shipped themes" page in the appendix in my head |
23:34:28 | bluebrother | one wps and one main menu screenshot, and a short (like two lines) text for every theme |
23:34:55 | bluebrother | could also give the reader a better impression of themes when starting |
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23:35:26 | pixelma | yea.. would be nice |
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23:38:34 | dan_a | Can anyone tell me how you go about reverse engineering an LCD driver? |
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23:43:16 | w1ll14m | good night all :) gonna sleep :) |
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23:43:45 | lavi1 | So, I requested the datasheet for the AS3515 in the sansa players and was told that I could have the datasheet if I signed an NDA. Is there anything I should/could say to the contact at austriamicrosystems at this point, or should I just let it drop? |
23:44:40 | Bagder | lavi1: you could always try to explain the situation, how the document under an NDA is worthless to us |
23:44:55 | lavi1 | oops, forgot to change my nick... |
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23:45:19 | Mikachu | you could read the nda too, maybe it expires |
23:45:24 | Llorean | lavi1: "I represent an open source project. While I could agree not to disclose the document itself to others, code created from it would by necessity need to be open. If there's an agreement we could come to as to what may or may not be disclosed in this code, I hope to at least be allowed some information." |
23:45:29 | Zagor | lavid: you could ask why they don't want you to tell people how great their products are. but I doubt you'll even get an answer to that. |
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23:46:22 | Bagder | yeah, there are cases where people sign NDAs but still are allowed to release source based on it |
23:46:23 | dan_a | lavid: What Llorean said, but I would imagine that you personally would have to write the initial audio driver |
23:46:35 | lavid | I listed my company as my University... maybe I could use that to my advantage somehow? |
23:47:23 | Bagder | lavid: and just to make sure you know, we have found out it is the AS3514 we want ;-) (but it is likely to be very similar) |
23:47:27 | lavid | so, should I request the details of the NDA? |
23:47:36 | lavid | Bagder, yes, I read your post |
23:47:46 | Bagder | sure requesting it won't hurt |
23:47:46 | dan_a | I don't think it would hurt to have the NDA details |
23:48:34 | lavid | additionally, has the mysterious "MrH" found anything re the DAC? |
23:48:59 | Bagder | MrH got the data sheet... |
23:49:31 | linuxstb_ | Did he sign an NDA? |
23:49:49 | Bagder | no |
23:49:59 | Mikachu | maybe his contract says something about it though :) |
23:50:07 | Bagder | but it says it isn't for disclosure and he doesn't want to distribute it |
23:50:33 | * | bluebrother just noticed he got a svn test checkin notification mail |
23:51:13 | Bagder | yeah, commits work and even the commit mails now |
23:51:29 | linuxstb_ | What's next? |
23:51:48 | linuxstb_ | And what's left? |
23:51:51 | Mikachu | i hasard a guess on handing out passwords to devs |
23:51:53 | Bagder | please email me your current CVS username and your (new) preferred password |
23:52:00 | Mikachu | what do i win? |
23:52:00 | bluebrother | how much is left? |
23:52:05 | lavid | okay, so I should simply request to have the NDA sent to me? Nothing else at this point? |
23:52:24 | Bagder | lavid: yes I think you should start with that |
23:52:56 | lavid | That includes not mentioning the reason I want to obtain the datasheet, correct? |
23:53:09 | Bagder | yes, save that |
23:53:47 | lavid | Okay, I'll respond now. |
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23:55:38 | ElPenguin | hi, rockbox hangs a lot on my 1st gen nano, is there any way out of that? |
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23:57:35 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: What do you mean by "hang"? Does it freeze completely (requiring a reset with MENU+SELECT) ? |
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23:57:53 | * | Bagder giggles after seeing www.linux4nano.org |
23:58:06 | Bagder | try the encryption section |
23:58:13 | Bagder | very thorough |
23:58:22 | pixelma | isn't the 1st gen Mini affected by the frequency scaling bug? |
23:58:55 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, it is. |