| 00:00:03 | Bagder | ;-P |
| 00:00:13 | LinusN | lol |
| 00:00:13 | Llorean | Because iPodLinux doesn't already exist or anything. |
| 00:00:14 | dan_a | And then XOR things together and see if that works! |
| 00:00:15 | Bagder | this is for nano 2nd gen |
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| 00:01:33 | * | Llorean wonders if the 2G Nano's bootloader is encrypted the same was as prior bootloaders. |
| 00:01:42 | Llorean | The AUPD part, that is. |
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| 00:02:58 | lavid | oh, wait... we want the AS3514? I totally said I wanted the AS3515 |
| 00:03:54 | linuxstb | I see they've duplicated the 256MB RAM mistake... |
| 00:04:11 | amiconn | lol |
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| 00:04:30 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: yes |
| 00:04:32 | dan_a | lavid: They are close enough that we can get sound out with an AS3515 datasheet |
| 00:04:47 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: doesn't respond to any button presses except the menu-select |
| 00:05:00 | Bagder | "with 256 KBytes of SDRAM" too |
| 00:05:06 | Bagder | isn't that SRAM? |
| 00:06:13 | linuxstb | I would hope so. |
| 00:06:24 | lavid | dan_a: I could send the person another email, specifying the *14 |
| 00:07:09 | dan_a | lavid: I suspect that for the bits that we are interested in they are identical |
| 00:07:24 | lavid | dan_a: okay, I'll leave it as is then. |
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| 00:07:48 | Llorean | Austrian Microsystems has a representative *in* my city, apparently |
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| 00:08:17 | Llorean | Not that it's the sort of representation that would do any good. |
| 00:09:30 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: What are you doing when it hangs? |
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| 00:12:34 | linuxstb | Bagder: What's the command for checking out from svn with my username and password? |
| 00:12:57 | Bagder | linuxstb: you check out the same way, it'll prompt you for name and password when you commit |
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| 00:13:47 | linuxstb | So the "anonymous" checkout I made yesterday is good to go? |
| 00:14:14 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 00:14:24 | bluebrother | hmm, so it will ask every time I make a commit or does it that only once and saves the password for later use? |
| 00:14:33 | Bagder | it saves it |
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| 00:14:55 | bluebrother | nice. |
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| 00:16:22 | bluebrother | hmm, I think I'll try to play around with that themes overview page the next days (if I find the time) |
| 00:16:33 | * | preglow shakes Bagder's hand |
| 00:16:59 | lavid | I can't remember who runs the Sanda RevEng page, but the DAC should probably include some info re: the austriamicrosystems presentation slide |
| 00:17:12 | lavid | Sanda=Sansa |
| 00:18:03 | Bagder | I run it |
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| 00:22:00 | preglow | where's the new repo at? |
| 00:22:28 | Bagder | svn://svn.rockbox.org/ |
| 00:22:49 | preglow | fancy |
| 00:24:36 | linuxstb | Does svn make it easier for people to create patches without write access? e.g. adding new files locally? |
| 00:25:15 | Bagder | yes I think you can do that |
| 00:25:22 | Bagder | as you only need access when you commit |
| 00:26:27 | * | dan_a now has a 480MB rockbox source dir |
| 00:27:02 | * | Bagder recommends getting "trunk" ;-) |
| 00:27:54 | dan_a | It's running git that does it - I've got every revision locally |
| 00:28:56 | preglow | looks like svn.rockbox.org hosts the curl web :> |
| 00:29:07 | preglow | doesn't svn have a web interface too? |
| 00:29:15 | Zagor | preglow: yes it does, i'm working on it |
| 00:29:19 | preglow | Zagor: cool |
| 00:29:31 | preglow | been a while since i set up svn properly last |
| 00:29:54 | amiconn | Is the svn password exchange protected, or is it cleartext like cvs 'pserver'? |
| 00:30:06 | preglow | exchange protected, afaik |
| 00:30:19 | preglow | or hmm |
| 00:30:31 | preglow | i think you need to tunnel it for anything not trivial to crack |
| 00:30:45 | Zagor | I think so too. |
| 00:30:50 | Bagder | CRAM-MD5 over the wire |
| 00:31:00 | Zagor | Bagder: natively? |
| 00:31:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:31:17 | Bagder | no password around to snoop on |
| 00:31:20 | Zagor | neat. so why is "everyone" running over ssh? |
| 00:31:31 | Bagder | because they want something more |
| 00:31:53 | preglow | if you're refering to ssh+svn, that's to be able to set up svn on an account you just have around |
| 00:31:58 | preglow | i use it like that, and it's damned great |
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| 00:32:21 | preglow | and anyway, people seem to just use ssl encryption by default, these days |
| 00:34:20 | preglow | there's no equivalent to the rockbox and rockbox-devel tags anymore? you just get everything if you do trunk? |
| 00:34:38 | Bagder | correct |
| 00:34:42 | preglow | greatzot |
| 00:34:43 | preglow | -r |
| 00:34:47 | preglow | beh |
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| 00:39:54 | preglow | nearly revision 12k, damn... |
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| 00:40:09 | preglow | and that's with cvs commits being grouped as they were? |
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| 00:40:48 | Alonea | so, when again was the new cvs page supposed to be up? the svn thing? |
| 00:41:25 | Bagder | preglow: yes, the conversion script groups CVS commits to single svn commits |
| 00:41:43 | * | pixelma just learned about the disadvantages of not being subscribed to the rockbox-dev mailing list... |
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| 00:42:07 | preglow | Bagder: damn... |
| 00:42:40 | amiconn | Hehe, the CVS builds page needs to be renamed... |
| 00:42:51 | Bagder | haha |
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| 00:43:18 | amiconn | Are there already some instructions for build server admins |
| 00:43:19 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:43:49 | Bagder | no |
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| 00:46:36 | amiconn | hrum |
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| 00:48:33 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: sorry for the delay. i'll just be playing music and then i'll want to change song and it'll be hung. the music will continue to play however |
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| 00:50:32 | Alonea | so, is there a new page somewhere and I just have no found it, or is it still being worked on? |
| 00:52:46 | Zagor | Alonea: we're still working on it. |
| 00:53:07 | Bagder | use the daily builds until then |
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| 00:56:05 | linuxstb | ElPenguin: Are you running a recent "official" Rockbox build, or one of the unsupported builds? |
| 00:56:07 | dan_a | Am I right in thinking that in ARM assembler, a "bx" instruction doesn't change to thumb mode if the address to branch to is an even number? |
| 00:56:27 | Bagder | dan_a: that's my understanding of it |
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| 00:56:54 | Bagder | don't you change back from thumb mode that way? |
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| 00:57:27 | dan_a | Bagder: I think so. |
| 00:57:38 | amiconn | dan_a: There's a pitfall: The bit deciding about the mode is bit 0 |
| 00:58:07 | amiconn | The address itself would _always have bit 0 == 0, for any thumb or arm instruction |
| 00:58:35 | amiconn | In thumb mode, bit 1 can have either value, in arm mode it's also always zero |
| 00:59:19 | dan_a | Understood. I'm just trying to follow a disassembly, and it's making no sense to me. |
| 00:59:46 | Bagder | for build servers, do this in rbclient's home dir: |
| 00:59:50 | Bagder | mkdir old |
| 00:59:58 | Bagder | mv apps bootloader CVS docs firmware flash fonts gdb manual tools uisimulator wps old/ |
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| 01:00:07 | Bagder | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk . |
| 01:00:09 | Bagder | *done* |
| 01:00:10 | Mikachu | you can mkdir zold;mv * |
| 01:00:14 | Mikachu | but that's cheating |
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| 01:00:39 | Bagder | moving all is not what we want |
| 01:00:50 | amiconn | Do I need to be 'rbclient' for this? |
| 01:00:51 | Mikachu | ah, never mind then |
| 01:01:04 | Bagder | amiconn: it is probably the easiest way |
| 01:01:10 | pronto | hey, I need some help for the gigabeat port |
| 01:01:15 | * | amiconn is not sure how to do this, then |
| 01:01:24 | amiconn | rbclient can't logon locally |
| 01:01:31 | linuxstb | su ; su rbclient |
| 01:01:40 | Mikachu | that won't exactly work, you need to type su rbclient after you're root |
| 01:01:48 | linuxstb | That's what I meant... |
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| 01:01:56 | toffe | pronto : what do you need ? |
| 01:02:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: tnx |
| 01:02:17 | pronto | I get this error, 0020070 - No system found on HDD |
| 01:02:25 | Mikachu | ah, never mind then+=1; |
| 01:02:46 | pronto | and I stupidly deleted everything on the gigabeat, so yeah :\ |
| 01:03:20 | preglow | damn, svn is zippier by far |
| 01:03:24 | preglow | better hardware too? |
| 01:03:33 | LinusN | yes, and bigger pipe |
| 01:03:36 | Zagor | yes, and particularly the net connection |
| 01:03:43 | linuxstb | Bagder: My server's done |
| 01:03:49 | toffe | pronto : nothing or you can read the disk ? |
| 01:03:57 | preglow | wouldn't build server need to allow logon from another ip too? |
| 01:04:09 | Bagder | linuxstb: thanks |
| 01:04:14 | Mikachu | heh, nice subhostname on the svn server :) |
| 01:04:32 | Bagder | preglow: they allow login using the key, not based on IP |
| 01:04:34 | Mikachu | subdomain is the word i wanted |
| 01:04:38 | preglow | Bagder: then hooray |
| 01:04:52 | pronto | toffe : it loads as a usb drive, and when the gigabeat boots, it starts to, then the error pops up, also i have the rockbox files where the PDF said to put them |
| 01:05:45 | amiconn | Bagder: Mine is done too |
| 01:05:53 | toffe | pronto : you have the .rockbox directory and the rockbox.gigabeat ? |
| 01:06:19 | pronto | toffe : yeah, and got the boot loader from the boot loader page |
| 01:06:32 | Mikachu | generating the logs on the frontpage should be a _lot_ easier with svn too, you can request logs for intervals of commits, so just latest to latest-10 takes a second to run |
| 01:06:41 | Mikachu | (you know this, i'm just praising svn) |
| 01:07:09 | preglow | but good, nice and peachyu |
| 01:07:16 | preglow | i think i'm sorted out and ready, then |
| 01:07:36 | toffe | pronto: in the gbsystem/fwimg you have the fwimg01 file? (60K) |
| 01:07:43 | pronto | yeah |
| 01:08:07 | pronto | its 63.7 k, but yeah |
| 01:08:30 | * | amiconn scraps his extra cvs working copies |
| 01:08:46 | toffe | pronto : what do you delete ? |
| 01:09:11 | linuxstb | Can we remove the execute bit on files with svn? |
| 01:09:24 | Bagder | yes |
| 01:09:27 | amiconn | Bagder: Where did the www module go? Will there be a replacement? |
| 01:09:37 | Bagder | amiconn: it is on the same level as trunk |
| 01:09:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:40 | LinusN | linuxstb: already done |
| 01:09:47 | pronto | toffe : well, i bascialy deleted everything from it, and put rockbox on it after it didn't work the 1st few times |
| 01:10:04 | amiconn | ?? |
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| 01:10:15 | Bagder | "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www" |
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| 01:10:21 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 01:10:32 | JdGordon | untill the website is fixed up.. is there an rss feed of commits? or is that off the same script as the www? |
| 01:10:45 | Bagder | there are commit mails |
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| 01:10:59 | JdGordon | to the same email as the cvs commits? |
| 01:11:01 | Mikachu | JdGordon: you can use "svn log" |
| 01:11:15 | Bagder | and 'svn st -u' |
| 01:11:16 | toffe | in the system directory do you have the fwimg00 and 02 ? |
| 01:11:22 | Mikachu | it's a lot more helpful than "cvs log" |
| 01:11:23 | pronto | nope |
| 01:11:25 | toffe | pronto ^^ |
| 01:11:29 | Zagor | JdGordon: yes, same mailing list |
| 01:11:38 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 01:11:55 | Zagor | so now both the rockbox-sf and rockbox-cvs lists have funny names :) |
| 01:11:56 | toffe | pronto : this are from the original firmware, must be needed |
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| 01:12:53 | pronto | toffe: damn, know anywhere i could get them? the gigabeat site is useless |
| 01:12:59 | toffe | pronto : just copy back the original sytem directory and change the fwimg01 |
| 01:13:13 | toffe | do you have windows ? |
| 01:13:19 | pronto | yes |
| 01:13:35 | toffe | pronto : do you have the gigaroom software installed ? |
| 01:13:41 | pronto | toffe: yeah |
| 01:14:16 | pronto | 2.02 |
| 01:14:27 | toffe | go to program files , find the gigaroom directory and you must have the firmware in it |
| 01:14:44 | * | preglow deletes his old tree |
| 01:15:02 | Mikachu | don't forget that cvs diff doesn't copy over files that aren't cvs added... |
| 01:15:08 | toffe | pronto : I can't tell you exactly, I don' have it on this computer |
| 01:15:09 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: sorry again for the delay. about a 2 week old official |
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| 01:15:33 | pronto | toffe: thanks though |
| 01:15:45 | amiconn | Mikachu: Binary files are an issue too... |
| 01:15:59 | Mikachu | indeed |
| 01:16:06 | pronto | toffe : yep its under toshiba/gigabeat room |
| 01:16:13 | * | amiconn has a set of modified sudoku bitmaps hanging around.... |
| 01:16:22 | ElPenguin | linuxstb: still, i'm going to disappear for the best part of a day, if you need any more info, drop me a pm |
| 01:16:26 | Mikachu | so don't be too quick deleting old trees |
| 01:16:35 | toffe | pronto : copy the system back to the gigabeat |
| 01:16:40 | Bagder | 13 committers are added |
| 01:16:48 | pronto | toffe: just did :D |
| 01:17:13 | JdGordon | anyone reccommend a quick idios guide to svn for use newbies? |
| 01:17:23 | toffe | pronto : then rename the fwimg01.dat to FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG |
| 01:17:34 | Bagder | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ is a guide, but not that quick ;-) |
| 01:17:37 | pronto | woo! rockbox works now |
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| 01:17:42 | Zeraphe | Has anyone tried out the IPL Loader 2 with a 5.5g iPod and Rockbox? |
| 01:17:57 | toffe | pronto ;) |
| 01:18:46 | pronto | wow, thats neat how the screen fades in and out |
| 01:19:13 | Mikachu | you can adjust the timings for that too :) |
| 01:19:21 | Llorean | Zeraphe: Seeing as loader 2 isn't our software, this isn't really the best place to ask questions about whether it works, but I believe one built from source at least should. |
| 01:19:47 | pronto | heh, i been waiting for about 9 months for this port :D , once i get money, im so donating |
| 01:19:50 | amiconn | Not on the 80GB I'd think |
| 01:20:17 | Zeraphe | Llorean, I was just curious. I don't need help, I just wanted to know if it had been done. |
| 01:20:17 | Llorean | Zeraphe: Ah, yes, only the 30gb 5.5G by the way. |
| 01:20:25 | Zeraphe | Sweet. |
| 01:20:28 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: According to the svn logs, 5.5g (i.e. 2048-byte sector support) was added on 20 November 2006. |
| 01:20:35 | Llorean | Zeraphe: Still, iPodlinux's software should be asked about in their locations. |
| 01:20:39 | lostlogic | Bagder: my build server is updated to SVN... but still throws those two stupid warnings :-P |
| 01:20:46 | Bagder | haha |
| 01:21:10 | Bagder | two minuspoints for lameness ;-) |
| 01:21:16 | Zeraphe | But would I get the same response in #ipodlinux, for asking about Rockbox interaction? |
| 01:21:22 | toffe | pronto : try the wps on the wiki , there are really nice |
| 01:21:41 | pronto | toffe: yeah i been looking though the wiki |
| 01:21:47 | Llorean | Zeraphe: You're asking about how loader2 works. Its *job* is to load firmware images. |
| 01:22:22 | Llorean | Zeraphe: The only bit about Rockbox in your question was if Rockbox works on 5.5G iPods. |
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| 01:26:07 | Bagder | cvs builds could possibly be called "commit builds" instead |
| 01:26:52 | Llorean | Bagder: How 'bout just "Latest Build" |
| 01:27:01 | Zeraphe | Llorean, I was asking about using the software together. I didn't know the subject was taboo. |
| 01:27:03 | linuxstb | I thought we called the "bleeding edge" builds in some places? |
| 01:27:14 | linuxstb | s/the/them/ |
| 01:27:39 | Llorean | Zeraphe: It's not taboo, but until Rockbox itself has actually started you're in Loader2, and so that software is their responsibility. If you use the Rockbox bootloader, then it's our responsibility, even if you're *only* using it to load iPL. |
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| 01:28:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think "Bleeding Edge" sounds less trustworthy than simply "Latest" and maybe going with "Latest" and "Archived" would clear up some of the confusion overall. |
| 01:29:16 | Mikachu | i think not sounding trustworthy is the idea with the name "bleeding edge" |
| 01:29:34 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: According to the 20 November 2006 SVN commit message, loader2 can load Rockbox on a 5.5g.... You'll need to compile it yourself from SVN, and use a version of ipodpatcher from the Rockbox SVN to install it, using ipodpatcher [device] -ab loader.bin |
| 01:30:06 | Llorean | Mikachu: But that's the thing, on a reliability scale, CVS builds builds are about equal to daily. |
| 01:30:16 | Zeraphe | Llorean, I think you're taking this too seriously. This idle question demands no responsibility, I was just trying to gather information, and while it cannot be guaranteed that anyone in #ipodlinux uses Loader 2 to load Rockbox, it was a possibility that someone in #rockbox had had the inclination to try loading Rockbox with Loader 2. |
| 01:30:22 | Mikachu | you should release a 2.99 or something :) |
| 01:30:25 | Mikachu | on a good day |
| 01:30:30 | Bagder | I just wanted to mention that all the ones who've mailed me their passwords until now are added and now I'll go see my pillow |
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| 01:31:00 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, Thanks. Sounds like an ordeal. =p |
| 01:31:06 | Llorean | Zeraphe: But, it's more likely that people in iPodLinux use loader2. My point was that it's almost entirely irrelevant what it's being use to load if the question is about the loader. I had no way of knowing you weren't going to ask how to set it up, which is why I made the initial suggestion to ask there. |
| 01:31:15 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: Just install the Rockbox bootloader, it's easier... |
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| 01:31:22 | Llorean | It is much easier. |
| 01:31:28 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, I've already got it. |
| 01:32:31 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, I was considering switching, so that later I could tri-boot my iPod with all three firmwares, once the IPL team had fixed the disk issues with the 5.5gs. |
| 01:32:47 | Llorean | The Rockbox bootloader already supports triboot |
| 01:33:09 | * | Llorean points out that he already mentioned the fact that the Rockbox bootloader can load iPL. |
| 01:33:14 | linuxstb | Plus you can start the IPL kernel from within Rockbox itself. |
| 01:33:31 | Zeraphe | Llorean, See?! Good thing I asked in here, or I'd have never known that. |
| 01:34:22 | Zeraphe | Llorean, I actually thought you were being hypothetical when you said that part. |
| 01:34:52 | Llorean | I was being hypothetical in that someone might ask about it (I can't imagine using the bootloader from Rockbox just for iPL) not about its capabilities. :) |
| 01:35:06 | Llorean | In fact, I *may* have been the first person to boot iPL with the RB Bootloader. I know I was first on the Nano at least. :) |
| 01:35:06 | Zeraphe | So, I'm allowed to ask how to load IPL with the Rockbox bootloader, right? |
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| 01:35:41 | Llorean | Set up the ext2/ext3 partition it needs for its filesystem, put the files there, but the .bin fine in the root of your Fat32 partition named Linux.bin, and hold Play while booting (similar to holding Menu for the retail OS) |
| 01:35:42 | Mikachu | iirc you put a linux.bin in / and then hold play |
| 01:35:48 | Mikachu | what he said |
| 01:35:56 | Mikachu | i'm sort of useless tonight, am i not? |
| 01:36:04 | Zeraphe | Not that it works on the 5,5g 3gb yet, apparently. |
| 01:36:23 | linuxstb | Nor the 30GB. |
| 01:36:28 | Zeraphe | Oops. |
| 01:36:38 | Zeraphe | s/3/30 |
| 01:36:52 | Zeraphe | Forgot that one of my zero keys doesn't work. |
| 01:36:58 | dewdude_ | nothing really works for the 5.5g yet, rockbox kind of limps along |
| 01:37:29 | | Part LinusN |
| 01:37:35 | Zeraphe | I didn't use the original firmware for very long, I don't really notice. |
| 01:37:57 | dewdude_ | i booted the original firmware...twice |
| 01:38:03 | Zeraphe | Haha. |
| 01:38:17 | Llorean | dewdude_: Rockbox works as well on the 5.5G 30gb as it does on any other iPod, really. Better than some. |
| 01:39:08 | Zeraphe | I installed the build that makes use of the second CPU, that might be helping my performance. |
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| 01:39:17 | dewdude_ | i haven't seen that build yet. |
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| 01:39:34 | dewdude_ | i'm also running the daily from 010107 |
| 01:39:51 | Zeraphe | http://www.sefia.ca/rockbox/ |
| 01:39:53 | Nimdae | hah, i'm giving my friend crap because he failed his rockbox install on his ipod |
| 01:40:01 | Nimdae | he didn't read the instructions properly |
| 01:40:46 | | Part toffe |
| 01:41:04 | dewdude_ | meh...old builds |
| 01:41:08 | linuxstb | It's only two commands... |
| 01:41:28 | Mikachu | but omg you have type on the keyboard in a black window |
| 01:41:59 | linuxstb | Kids today... |
| 01:42:11 | dewdude_ | they don't even know what a command prompt is called |
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| 01:42:35 | * | dewdude_ hands Mikachu a bash manual |
| 01:43:00 | Mikachu | thanks but i use zsh |
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| 01:43:25 | Zeraphe | bash > zsh |
| 01:43:30 | dewdude_ | you use zsh but you still said "type on the keyboard in a black window" |
| 01:43:54 | Mikachu | yes, because i was joking |
| 01:44:11 | dewdude_ | oh, my bad. |
| 01:44:16 | Mikachu | and this is why the smiley was invented |
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| 01:44:25 | dewdude_ | what smiley |
| 01:44:35 | Mikachu | the |
| 01:44:37 | dewdude_ | there was no smiley after that denoting a joke |
| 01:44:45 | Llorean | Plus, 90% of installations occur in a black window anyway. |
| 01:44:48 | Llorean | If not more |
| 01:44:52 | Nimdae | hah, he's complaining the step where you copy the .rockbox directory isn't visible enough |
| 01:45:06 | linuxstb | You don't copy the .rockbox directory... |
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| 01:45:19 | Nimdae | i do |
| 01:45:35 | Nimdae | ok, you uncompress the zip file onto the ipod |
| 01:45:39 | dewdude_ | i thought you were supposed to |
| 01:45:41 | linuxstb | "unzip both rockbox.zip and rockbox-fonts.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod." |
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| 01:46:46 | Nimdae | actually,k the manual doesn't say that |
| 01:47:59 | linuxstb | No-one reads the manual though. :-) <-smiley |
| 01:48:22 | Mikachu | ^ arrow |
| 01:48:24 | Mikachu | doh |
| 01:49:11 | Nimdae | not far enough :P |
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| 01:49:19 | Mikachu | my input line doesn't start where my nick ends |
| 01:49:35 | Nimdae | easy calculation ;) |
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| 01:49:59 | amiconn | With a proportional font? ;) |
| 01:50:02 | Mikachu | yeah if you remember it's needed |
| 01:50:43 | Mikachu | you miss out on a lot of ascii art if you don't use fixed width fonts :) |
| 01:50:57 | * | amiconn doesn't care about ascii art |
| 01:51:01 | amiconn | AT least not in irc |
| 01:51:24 | Mikachu | good, then i don't have to include proportional fonts in my calculations |
| 01:51:25 | * | amiconn prefers readability |
| 01:51:43 | ryanl | q |
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| 01:53:40 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/4TERROR!.png |
| 01:53:45 | * | preglow loves ascii/ansi art :> |
| 01:54:10 | Mikachu | heh |
| 01:54:11 | Nimdae | wow |
| 01:54:18 | Mikachu | someone spent a few minutes on that |
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| 01:54:59 | preglow | i've even coded a semi-functional viewer using sdl |
| 01:55:07 | preglow | which i some day will finish.. |
| 01:55:22 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/stewie.png |
| 01:55:30 | Mikachu | i just use my terminal :P |
| 01:55:37 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 01:55:42 | Mikachu | | iconv -f cp437 -t UTF-8 usually works fine |
| 01:55:52 | preglow | the font's a bithc, though |
| 01:56:02 | preglow | good old 8x16 dos fonts are the nicest |
| 01:56:37 | preglow | mostly because that's what people used when the art scene still thrived |
| 01:56:45 | Mikachu | better? http://mikachu.ath.cx/stewie.png |
| 01:57:10 | preglow | somewhat |
| 01:57:46 | preglow | my viewer switches to fullscreen 640x480 at the moment, i think |
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| 01:57:52 | Mikachu | do you have the text files for these pictures? |
| 01:57:56 | preglow | 720x400 is optimal, but not every monitor does that... |
| 01:58:06 | preglow | Mikachu: somewhere, yes... |
| 01:58:13 | Mikachu | the login one is cute |
| 01:58:19 | preglow | it's very cute. jej |
| 01:58:20 | preglow | heh <- |
| 01:58:33 | Mikachu | ^ arrow |
| 01:58:33 | Mikachu | there we go |
| 01:58:35 | preglow | i've actually used that in the gui for a project i did |
| 01:58:48 | preglow | haha |
| 01:59:55 | Mikachu | this is the one i use now http://mikachu.ath.cx/login.png |
| 01:59:56 | preglow | i've got a whole dvd full of artpack zips here, and 4terror!.ans is in one of them, but god knows which |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:16 | Mikachu | maybe i could try googling |
| 02:00:36 | Mikachu | heh, only #rockbox.log |
| 02:00:50 | preglow | haha |
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| 02:01:38 | preglow | ahh, it's in a phat pack |
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| 02:03:39 | preglow | http://artscene.textfiles.com/artpacks/1996/phat1296.zip |
| 02:03:42 | preglow | there you go, it's in there |
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| 02:08:48 | preglow | Mikachu: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/4TERROR!_9x16.png <- slightly different version, using the old default 9 width mode for max authenticity :> |
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| 02:17:02 | Alonea | ok, I was looking at phalangees back wps theme and I wanted to put my own images in there. I understand how to do it and I can get everything but how to make the image look "frosty" for the regular menu screens. I did it a long time ago, but I have forgotten how |
| 02:17:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon ? |
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| 02:18:42 | Alonea | if you dont know what I mean by frosty I guess you could look at the preview pic for tabs (these are WPS for gigabeat) or just download the zip and look in the backdrops folder. |
| 02:22:26 | dewdude_ | anything special i need to do if i want to reinstall the bootloader...so i have to completely uninstall the old one or can i just install over the old one? |
| 02:24:28 | | Quit alberink ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 02:24:35 | Llorean | What do I co with svn that's the equivalent of the old rockbox-devel? |
| 02:25:19 | Llorean | dewdude_: If you installed the old one with -a, just do a ipodpatcher N -d, then -a the new one. |
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| 02:26:15 | dewdude_ | Llorean, alrighty. danke. |
| 02:26:46 | preglow | Llorean: just leech trunk |
| 02:27:05 | preglow | svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk, afaik. that should be the same as rockbox-devel was before |
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| 02:28:15 | KCC | seems as though Rockbox updating has stalled... theres been no new updates to the CVS |
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| 02:28:26 | KCC | im assuming this new system that replaced CVS has its own changelog? |
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| 02:28:51 | Llorean | preglow: Yeah, looks like it. Know how to check out to a specific folder, instead of a folder named "trunk", for future use? |
| 02:29:01 | | Quit homielowe_ (Client Quit) |
| 02:29:18 | scorche | /trunk/foldername i believe |
| 02:30:00 | | Quit midgey () |
| 02:31:00 | puetzk | Llorean, svn co http://url/to/wheverer folder |
| 02:31:11 | preglow | Llorean: just throw that name on |
| 02:31:16 | preglow | what he said |
| 02:31:37 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 02:31:59 | Llorean | Last but not least, since I'm being all lazy and not reading any manual or help, equivalent to cvs up -dP? |
| 02:32:16 | * | puetzk tries to remember what that does |
| 02:32:23 | puetzk | generally one just uses bare svn up |
| 02:32:37 | puetzk | been too long since I used cvs anywhere |
| 02:32:38 | preglow | Llorean: i don't think that's needed |
| 02:32:52 | Llorean | preglow: Ah, well then that makes me happy. |
| 02:33:05 | puetzk | Llorean, ah, -d is new dirs and -P is prune empty |
| 02:33:09 | preglow | svn has saner defaults than cvs, but i am by no means completely certain, better ask bagder |
| 02:33:09 | Llorean | It seemed more logical to force your update to *not* create new files or trim old ones if you wanted to avoid it. |
| 02:33:32 | puetzk | the former is default (-N if you actually want a non-recursive update), the latter isn't necessary since folder removal is an actual operation |
| 02:33:54 | Llorean | Alright, thanks. :) |
| 02:34:33 | KCC | what exactly is a "prebuild bootloader" |
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| 02:34:49 | Llorean | KCC: Do you mean "prebuilt"? |
| 02:35:10 | KCC | I suppose? |
| 02:35:22 | Llorean | Then it simply means "one you don't need to compile yourself" |
| 02:35:43 | KCC | I see |
| 02:35:52 | KCC | so basically its like an InstallSheild kind of thing? |
| 02:36:10 | KCC | i really dont see a problem with manually downloading the bootloader and putting it onto my 'Beat |
| 02:36:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: -a really means "add or replace". So there shouldn't be any need to do -d. |
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| 02:36:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: So what would be a good standard, just svn up, or include -a? |
| 02:37:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm talking about ipodpatcher |
| 02:37:03 | Llorean | KCC: No, the one you're download is the prebuilt. You don't have to use GCC or anything to make it. |
| 02:37:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Aaah. |
| 02:37:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, my first thought was "-a alone should work" then "but -d couldn't hurt, and I'm not 100% sure" |
| 02:37:59 | KCC | Hmm... the reference to the prebuilt bootloader not being available should probably be removed from the manual then |
| 02:38:37 | Llorean | KCC: Well, it wasn't available when that was written, but I believe it says "When it's available, it'll be here" and points to it? |
| 02:38:39 | puetzk | http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/doc/user/cvs-crossover-guide.html if nobody has posted it yet |
| 02:38:52 | preglow | amiconn: preliminary testing of using first order filters for bass/treble control: results are decent/good enough for boosts, but for some reason, cuts are really ineffective... |
| 02:39:17 | * | dewdude_ does happy dance |
| 02:39:28 | dewdude_ | i can play mp3's without the gui locking up now! |
| 02:40:10 | KCC | llorean: you're right, but the "not available" thing is unnecessarily confusing |
| 02:40:56 | Llorean | KCC: Well, it wasn't available when it was written. |
| 02:41:01 | Llorean | Unfortunately, I don't have access to change it. |
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| 02:41:13 | KCC | I see, I see |
| 02:41:14 | Llorean | I was thinking about asking for it today, actually, for specifically this kind of situation. |
| 02:42:22 | KCC | its a simple enough edit, just delete that entire line and leave the URL... would probably save some users alot of grief |
| 02:42:35 | linuxstb | Are you talking about a change to the manual? |
| 02:42:46 | KCC | yup |
| 02:42:47 | SoapIsOutOfTown | Llorean is attempting to gain power to seed his coup. |
| 02:42:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Aye, the Gigabeat bootloader is now available precompiled. |
| 02:43:00 | Llorean | There's a mention that it's not, but will be at a URL once it is. |
| 02:43:04 | linuxstb | Point me in the right direction, I'll change it. |
| 02:43:20 | KCC | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.3 |
| 02:43:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/getting_started/gigabeat_install.tex |
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| 02:44:15 | Llorean | The fixme in that file |
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| 02:45:06 | linuxstb | So I'll just link to here? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ |
| 02:45:14 | Llorean | Aye |
| 02:45:38 | KCC | thanks linuxstb |
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| 02:45:49 | KCC | so listen, what happened to the daily builds? |
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| 02:46:01 | KCC | im expecting my 'beat any day now, and i wanna install a brand-spankin-new rockbox asap |
| 02:46:08 | KCC | buttt... development has ceased on the CVS? |
| 02:46:26 | scorche | KCC: see topic |
| 02:46:28 | puetzk | moving to subversion |
| 02:46:31 | Llorean | KCC: We're moving to a new method for storing the source. |
| 02:46:38 | Llorean | KCC: So, during that time, no changes get to happen. |
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| 02:46:59 | Zeraphe | So, the Rockbox bootloader uses .ipod files. What does the other, unnamable bootloader use? |
| 02:47:05 | Zeraphe | Don't kill me Llorean |
| 02:47:22 | Llorean | Zeraphe: You can name it, but really, questions about it should be asked elsewhere. |
| 02:47:25 | Llorean | And it uses .bin files. |
| 02:47:48 | * | linuxstb makes his first svn commit |
| 02:47:59 | * | Llorean cheers. |
| 02:48:12 | jba | joy joy |
| 02:48:14 | Llorean | Hey, wait, Commits don't show up on the changelog on the front page, do they? |
| 02:48:23 | KCC | right, so how can I check the changelog? |
| 02:48:33 | linuxstb | I don't think so, but they're sent to the rockbox-cvs mailing list... |
| 02:48:36 | KCC | or has rockbox programming ceased altogether with this transition? |
| 02:48:37 | Llorean | KCC: Wait until the new scripts are active. |
| 02:49:29 | KCC | will do |
| 02:50:31 | * | puetzk pets trac |
| 02:50:56 | puetzk | People at work are usually rather distrubed when they realize I get all the commits in my RSS reader :-) |
| 02:51:56 | puetzk | but rockbox already has a wiki and issue tracker, so an all-in-one like that would be overkill |
| 02:52:38 | * | preglow pets svn |
| 02:53:18 | preglow | are there any pictures of the gigabeat running rockbox around? |
| 02:53:46 | Llorean | preglow: Youtube has no videos for a gigabeat rockbox search. *gasps* |
| 02:54:05 | pronto | preglow, if you want me to i could use my cell phone came |
| 02:54:11 | pronto | just got rockbox on it today |
| 02:55:28 | preglow | pronto: nothing important |
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| 02:57:05 | jba | hey scubacoles how goes |
| 02:57:48 | scubacoles | yeah, OK...back at work which sucks, but it has the advantage of putting me back online again (no home internet) |
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| 02:59:25 | scubacoles | there's an F20 on eBay about to sell for $150 |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:03 | scubacoles | Thats eBay.com.au 5 minutes |
| 03:00:40 | scubacoles | I'm tempted just to get myself a cradle |
| 03:01:33 | * | linuxstb is looking at the Archos av320 - arm7tdmi, a MAS3587F and a 2.5" hard disk... |
| 03:01:53 | linuxstb | But they seem impossible to find... |
| 03:01:57 | amiconn | Hehe, hwcodec an an arm cpu |
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| 03:02:05 | amiconn | *and an |
| 03:02:21 | linuxstb | Yes, something to make good use of the PCM codec.... |
| 03:02:51 | amiconn | Or use the arm for video decoding and let the mas play the mpeg audio track in mpegplayer |
| 03:03:13 | linuxstb | Indeed. Although the CPU also has a DSP. |
| 03:03:16 | | Nick perl|wtf is now known as perldiver (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:03:36 | linuxstb | Some info is here: http://www.archopen.org/tiki-index.php?page=AV3xx_Chipset |
| 03:03:41 | amiconn | Hmm, but that's this closed ti crap iirc? |
| 03:04:23 | linuxstb | There are some datasheets linked to from that page... |
| 03:04:30 | | Quit fasmaie () |
| 03:04:53 | linuxstb | But yes, I expect that it isn't as open as we would want. |
| 03:05:24 | amiconn | hardware usb-ata bridge, familiar radio chip |
| 03:05:32 | [toffe] | scubacoles : look more on eBay, you should find some complete gigabeat for less than 150$ |
| 03:05:39 | amiconn | 8MB ram, not too bad |
| 03:06:47 | amiconn | ebay germany has one |
| 03:06:59 | [toffe] | I just got a F41 (the size of the f10 but with a 40 gb hd) for 30$ |
| 03:07:07 | linuxstb | And there's one on ebay.com... |
| 03:07:16 | linuxstb | (who will ship to the UK) |
| 03:07:27 | SoapIsOutOfTown | did they do HWcodec for power consumption reasons? |
| 03:07:57 | perldiver | [toffe] |
| 03:07:58 | perldiver | wow |
| 03:08:00 | perldiver | where? |
| 03:08:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: The german offer also ships to uk |
| 03:08:06 | linuxstb | spdif in/out as well... |
| 03:08:13 | amiconn | http://cgi.ebay.de/Archos-AV320-MP4-MP3-Foto-Video-Multimedia-Player_W0QQitemZ170066942785QQihZ007QQcategoryZ8267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 03:08:21 | Llorean | SoapIsOutOfTown: Maybe they had some MAS chips already around, so it was cheaper for licensing. |
| 03:08:29 | hoffman | hi |
| 03:09:13 | hoffman | im a noob to rockbox and just wonder if there is an auto-lock function when playing music? |
| 03:09:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:09:53 | SoapIsOutOfTown | auto-lock? |
| 03:10:02 | hoffman | because after a while when im in the current playing window all the buttons locks/holds and i cant do anything except restart it, but i can still hear music |
| 03:10:08 | scubacoles | [toffe] not in Australia... there is another currently only $12 but with 5 days to go, it'll get up to $150 too. |
| 03:10:24 | hoffman | does anyone know how to disable the lock? |
| 03:10:55 | SoapIsOutOfTown | what player? |
| 03:11:00 | Llorean | There is no lock |
| 03:11:02 | hoffman | ipod video |
| 03:11:09 | hoffman | ok |
| 03:11:10 | Llorean | I'd guess it's the first-keypress-enables-backlight setting |
| 03:11:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that's coming up on ebay.co.uk as well... |
| 03:11:49 | hoffman | because after a while playing music, no one of the buttons work, except restarting the whole thing |
| 03:12:04 | hoffman | (and it's not the hold button) |
| 03:12:17 | Llorean | hoffman: Try disabling the first keypress for backlight setting |
| 03:12:34 | hoffman | ok |
| 03:13:10 | [toffe] | scubacoles : not gigabeat X on eBay australia ? |
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| 03:14:17 | hoffman | they should make the scrolling as it is in the normal ipod firmware |
| 03:14:25 | hoffman | so u can scroll faster |
| 03:14:47 | Llorean | hoffman: Do you know how Apple did it quickly? |
| 03:14:55 | hoffman | nope |
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| 03:15:30 | Llorean | Well, until someone does, we just have to do the best that we can. |
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| 03:16:08 | scubacoles | [toffe]: 9 F series (3xF40, 2xF60, 4xF20), and 1 X30. Even broken iPods go for $100ish here so $150 for a working F20 is a bargain!! |
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| 03:24:25 | * | Mouser_X has grown tired of reading the logs... |
| 03:24:41 | Mouser_X | Has anything worth mentioning happened today, that I should look for? |
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| 03:27:18 | linuxstb | Mouser_X: SVN is open for business, but not all of the associated scripts are working yet. |
| 03:27:35 | linuxstb | So we have daily builds, but not the "cvs builds". |
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| 03:28:20 | l_r | hello |
| 03:28:37 | l_r | does rockbox support .mpc decoding (musepack) on ipod nano? |
| 03:32:35 | SoapIsOutOfTown | oh yes |
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| 03:33:39 | l_r | SoapIsOutOfTown, are you talking to me? |
| 03:33:49 | SoapIsOutOfTown | yes |
| 03:34:06 | linuxstb | So would anyone else be interested in an AV320/340 port? |
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| 03:37:07 | Mouser_X | linuxstb: Thanks. Glad to hear it! It's not a big use to me, (I don't have a build environment, or even a player yet), but it's definatly good to hear. |
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| 03:40:33 | scorche | linuxstb: those are the ones with a 2.5" HD right/ |
| 03:42:17 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes, and the same MAS as the Archos Recorders and Ondio FM, plus an ARM CPU... |
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| 03:43:40 | scorche | so it would be a hybrid of SW and HW decoding? |
| 03:43:53 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 03:44:11 | linuxstb | I guess MP2/MP3 would be done on the MAS, other formats on the ARM with the PCM codec. |
| 03:44:11 | scorche | sounds like just what i have been looking for |
| 03:44:39 | scorche | i will have to browse ebay a bit then |
| 03:44:43 | * | Nimdae looks up what this is |
| 03:44:51 | linuxstb | Don't buy mine... |
| 03:45:41 | Nimdae | is it like a standard 2.5" drive? |
| 03:45:49 | scorche | heh....we might have to collaborate then ;) |
| 03:45:51 | linuxstb | Yes, 9.5mm |
| 03:46:03 | Nimdae | so you could easily increase the capacity...... |
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| 03:46:22 | linuxstb | Indeed. Up to 160GB I think... |
| 03:46:28 | scorche | which is what i have been aiting for |
| 03:46:44 | scorche | the only thing that prevents me from upgrading from my v1 to a new device |
| 03:46:50 | linuxstb | And it's supported by archopen, so lots of source available for us to copy/paste... |
| 03:46:51 | scorche | well, new-ish in this case |
| 03:47:22 | Alonea | hmm, a small suggestion for the page that is used to name/rename things. (this is on gigabeat) use the volume button to move the cursor. |
| 03:47:46 | linuxstb | You mean the virtual keyboard? |
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| 03:48:27 | Alonea | yeah, that page. the a button is esc, power is confirm, and menu is backspace. |
| 03:48:50 | Alonea | but i think it might be nice if the volume buttons could be used to move the cursor left and right |
| 03:49:34 | goffa | that would be sweet |
| 03:50:09 | Alonea | so you dont have to delete the whole thing if you needed to change a character at the beginning. it was just a thought |
| 03:50:15 | goffa | right |
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| 03:53:45 | Nimdae | i wish i never learned about computers |
| 03:53:50 | Nimdae | they frustrate me so much |
| 03:54:58 | Alonea | they do indeed. I remember the time I had to rewrite the vista boot file and I kept getting bad file or command even though it was the right command. I eventually got it worked out. I spend quite a lot of time fixing them. |
| 03:55:27 | Alonea | I try to think of it as a puzzle and I generally like puzzles...but like all of them, they get to the point where you want to kill it |
| 03:55:50 | Nimdae | well, it is a puzzle |
| 03:55:55 | Nimdae | it's a puzzle you never finish |
| 03:56:05 | Nimdae | and some days you just want to light on fire and watch it burn |
| 03:56:46 | Alonea | heh. well, I have certainly got quite good at it. I am quite used to reformatting now. |
| 03:57:32 | Mikachu | reformatting is what you do when you're not good at it ;) |
| 03:58:19 | Alonea | well, sometimes reformatting is muuuch faster. That and when you are going through random os's all the time. Or you really screw up and get a virus from hell. |
| 03:59:23 | Alonea | but usually I dont have to. Now if everyone else would stop asking me to fix their computer all would be well |
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| 04:10:53 | KCC | hey alonea, fix my comp? |
| 04:11:03 | tamitall | I've loaded rockbox on my iriver H10 20gb, but it appears not to be working. I can't get it to connect via USB, and none of my music is showing up. I can get the splash screen, but then it returns to a menu that says "Text" and "rockbox". Anyone have a suggestion? I can still emergency connect it to swap the boot loaders around. |
| 04:12:09 | Alonea | ....*big sigh* very funny. unless you actually have a problem? though I am currently on the phone with customer support for my 360... |
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| 04:12:19 | linuxstb | tamitall: That's not a menu, that's the file browser. |
| 04:12:43 | KCC | hahaa, im good for now bud |
| 04:12:44 | tamitall | linuxstb- fair enough. Am I just not understanding what to do past that? |
| 04:12:49 | KCC | but if i ever need anything... haha |
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| 04:13:13 | KCC | whats wrong with the 360, btw? |
| 04:13:14 | linuxstb | tamitall: I don't know how USB mode works on the H10, but you just drag and drop your music files to the disk, and play them from the file browser. |
| 04:14:01 | tamitall | ok, there's a folder named 'Music' with 18gb of music in it, that doesn't show up in the file browser |
| 04:14:22 | linuxstb | It's probably hidden - you need to enable the "show all files" menu option. |
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| 04:15:31 | tamitall | ahah! |
| 04:15:33 | tamitall | thank you :) |
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| 04:26:15 | Alonea | oh, i keep getting the 3 red lights of death |
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| 04:28:48 | Alonea | KCC: and it seems to do it randomly...i just turn it off and back on and it will work. bah. anyway. |
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| 04:35:13 | KCC | 3 red lights of death? |
| 04:38:26 | Alonea | basically think window blue screen of death. It usually means there is hardware failure somewhere...the ring of light will display 3/4 red lights |
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| 05:01:06 | fasmaie | goffa: how's the new F60? |
| 05:01:25 | goffa | loving it |
| 05:01:36 | goffa | 9500 tracks on the one player :) |
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| 05:02:08 | goffa | my friend's wife is being indecicive |
| 05:02:14 | fasmaie | What sort of playing time are you getting |
| 05:02:23 | goffa | haven't let it drain |
| 05:02:24 | fasmaie | I know how that can get |
| 05:02:29 | fasmaie | No hassle |
| 05:02:35 | goffa | but i went 5 hours and it went down to 50% |
| 05:02:44 | goffa | but battery reporting isn't accurate so i dunno total |
| 05:02:55 | fasmaie | Not bad...how does that compare to the F40? |
| 05:03:32 | fasmaie | Probably in the same range, I guess |
| 05:03:52 | goffa | yeah.. i'd say its on par |
| 05:04:20 | fasmaie | gotthardt reported 13+ hours of playing time |
| 05:04:23 | goffa | seems a little better.. but then that's because the lcd code is better |
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| 05:04:34 | goffa | i'd buy that |
| 05:04:55 | fasmaie | Well good for you anyway |
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| 05:05:06 | fasmaie | I'm green with envy, of course |
| 05:05:06 | goffa | yeah i'm happy |
| 05:05:10 | goffa | he he he |
| 05:05:18 | goffa | well hoping to remedy that somewhat |
| 05:05:38 | fasmaie | Yes |
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| 05:06:00 | fasmaie | Wife's gift is coming in tomorrow...am waiting apprehensively |
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| 05:07:30 | goffa | yeah... i'm sure that's eating at you |
| 05:08:36 | fasmaie | OH well, any idea when SVN will be ready to go? |
| 05:08:45 | goffa | wish i knew |
| 05:08:47 | goffa | but hoping soon |
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| 05:09:09 | goffa | at least its not a feature freeze |
| 05:09:19 | goffa | well a long term one |
| 05:09:29 | fasmaie | Yes |
| 05:09:45 | goffa | first one lasted a few months |
| 05:09:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:10:04 | fasmaie | Wow, I wasn't aware of that |
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| 05:11:31 | perl|wtf | hey goffa |
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| 05:11:39 | goffa | yeah? |
| 05:11:58 | perldiver | hows things |
| 05:12:07 | goffa | good |
| 05:12:08 | perldiver | the new player? |
| 05:12:22 | goffa | liking that like 9500 songs on one player |
| 05:12:29 | perldiver | oh nice |
| 05:12:52 | goffa | yeah.. like 1/6 of my collection :D |
| 05:13:45 | goffa | but that's plenty for a road trip |
| 05:13:51 | perldiver | more than enough |
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| 05:16:25 | perldiver | do you think rockbox not saving treble/bass settings is a problem? |
| 05:16:41 | goffa | i don't use eq.. so its not for me :) |
| 05:16:49 | goffa | but i could see it being a prob for others |
| 05:17:07 | perldiver | its not really eq you know |
| 05:17:26 | perldiver | its just basic sound settings most of the users tweak |
| 05:17:52 | goffa | yeah |
| 05:18:00 | goffa | well i leave mine flat |
| 05:18:05 | goffa | is what i mean |
| 05:18:12 | goffa | but that's hardware eq from what i understand |
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| 05:20:35 | perldiver | it is |
| 05:23:23 | Zeraphe | Does Rockbox support symlinks? |
| 05:23:52 | goffa | i want to say no |
| 05:23:56 | goffa | but am unsure |
| 05:24:05 | Zeraphe | I wanted you to say yes... |
| 05:24:09 | Zeraphe | Heh. |
| 05:24:14 | Zeraphe | One way to find out, I guess. |
| 05:24:16 | goffa | well i figured :) |
| 05:26:51 | Zeraphe | Hmmm. Apparently FAT doesn't, so it's a moot point. |
| 05:27:16 | goffa | ah... one instance where i'm not happy i'm right |
| 05:27:37 | goffa | but then i guess i don't really care all that much |
| 05:28:04 | Zeraphe | Haha. It would make it easier to dual boot with Apple and Rockbox. |
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| 05:28:24 | goffa | yeah... got everything but apple here :) |
| 05:28:45 | fasmaie | perldiver: The treble/bass resetting would be an irritation |
| 05:28:50 | Zeraphe | Which iPod? |
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| 05:29:21 | perldiver | fasmaie well its present |
| 05:29:30 | perldiver | prepare to get irritated :P |
| 05:29:44 | fasmaie | Yup |
| 05:29:50 | * | Mouser_X rarely uses treble/bass. |
| 05:29:56 | fasmaie | How about the EQ, does that work? |
| 05:29:59 | perldiver | of course |
| 05:30:16 | fasmaie | And save settings? |
| 05:30:17 | perldiver | so i set my eq the way i dont have treble/bass with |
| 05:30:24 | perldiver | use* |
| 05:30:32 | perldiver | yes it saves |
| 05:30:34 | fasmaie | Ok, that would work for me |
| 05:30:47 | fasmaie | Thanks |
| 05:32:19 | perldiver | and you can also save a cfg file with all your EQ settings |
| 05:32:30 | perldiver | which you can recall after reset etc |
| 05:32:52 | perldiver | but people are complaining about bass/treble |
| 05:33:10 | Mouser_X | That's 'cause they just like to complain. |
| 05:33:14 | Mouser_X | ;P |
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| 05:37:13 | Nimdae | wow |
| 05:37:19 | Nimdae | rockbox just locked up doing a rewind |
| 05:37:27 | Mouser_X | D: |
| 05:37:35 | Nimdae | oh wow |
| 05:37:39 | Nimdae | that was weird |
| 05:37:49 | Nimdae | i pressed the left to rewind again, it continued rewinding |
| 05:37:53 | Nimdae | i let go and it played |
| 05:37:54 | Nimdae | wtf |
| 05:44:48 | Abcminiuser | WTF indeed. |
| 05:45:56 | Nimdae | wow |
| 05:46:12 | Nimdae | i went to rewind again (seek backwards), and when i let go it went to the beginning of the playlist |
| 05:46:45 | Abcminiuser | What platform, out of interest? |
| 05:46:57 | Mouser_X | iPod, as I recall. |
| 05:47:05 | Nimdae | ipod 5g |
| 05:47:36 | Abcminiuser | I've had no problems with my 4G after using the CPU3 patch |
| 05:47:47 | Abcminiuser | WIthout it, my 4G would lock up quite frequently |
| 05:48:10 | Nimdae | cpu3? |
| 05:48:20 | Nimdae | i'm using the latest cop patch |
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| 05:48:46 | Nimdae | what's the fs# of the patch you're using? |
| 05:48:52 | Abcminiuser | It's a patch that disabled CPU frequency scaling |
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| 05:48:59 | Nimdae | ah |
| 05:49:05 | Abcminiuser | I can find a link if you really want, but it's a tiny patch |
| 05:49:15 | Nimdae | no need, i know how to manually disable it |
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| 05:49:15 | Abcminiuser | Works great, although it knackers the battery life |
| 05:49:26 | Nimdae | i actually have 2 firmwares for testing with it disabled |
| 05:49:37 | Abcminiuser | I've been wondering why scaling the CPU locks it up |
| 05:49:42 | Nimdae | but it's mostly for testing the cop patch |
| 05:49:46 | Abcminiuser | Surely it would just slow down the interface/ |
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| 05:50:05 | Nimdae | it might be due to the coprocessor not being properly worked with |
| 05:50:33 | Abcminiuser | I thought the iPods' coprocessor wasn't used at all yet? |
| 05:50:49 | Nimdae | it's been found that it was running even if it wasn't used |
| 05:51:10 | Abcminiuser | In any case, why would slowing the main processor cause freezes at random intervals? |
| 05:51:16 | Abcminiuser | As opposed to just lagging? |
| 05:51:35 | Nimdae | well, the coprocessor and its interaction with the main cpu is still a bit of a mystery |
| 05:51:53 | perldiver | goffa |
| 05:52:00 | goffa | yeah? |
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| 05:52:05 | perldiver | do you have porblems with long accessing times? |
| 05:52:14 | rushfan | So does anyone know how close they are to getting rockbox running on the 80gb? |
| 05:52:15 | Abcminiuser | Incidentally, what type of processor is the coprocessor? Main's an ARM, I know that... |
| 05:52:16 | perldiver | with f60 fulled to the brim |
| 05:52:27 | perldiver | filled |
| 05:52:33 | goffa | haven't encountered any |
| 05:52:48 | perldiver | whats the booting time? |
| 05:52:49 | Nimdae | it's really just a second cpu |
| 05:52:54 | goffa | same |
| 05:53:08 | goffa | going to file browser can take 1 second |
| 05:53:13 | goffa | at times |
| 05:53:14 | Nimdae | the pp chip is a dual core chip |
| 05:53:20 | goffa | but i don't have dircache on |
| 05:53:21 | perldiver | i have an f60 right here, its really spinning that hdd up |
| 05:53:38 | goffa | obviously making a playlist takes a while |
| 05:53:40 | perldiver | i dont have any problems with f20 |
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| 05:54:16 | perldiver | why you're not using the dir cache? |
| 05:54:25 | goffa | laziness |
| 05:54:31 | goffa | haven't turned it on.. lol |
| 05:54:35 | perldiver | aha |
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| 06:09:05 | dioz | i have all my mp3's broken up into /music/artist - album/ is there any way to make it shuffle through all the different directories ? without making a playlist so when i shuffle it'll just... shuffle through them all ? |
| 06:09:32 | goffa | dioz: go to root |
| 06:09:36 | goffa | make playlist from there |
| 06:09:57 | goffa | oh.. and make sure you have the recurse subdirectory option on |
| 06:11:33 | dioz | hmm |
| 06:12:03 | goffa | that's what i do |
| 06:17:49 | dioz | so what is the 'database' then ? |
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| 06:21:20 | puetzk | dioz, the database is a fake tree structure based on ID3/vorbistag/etc info |
| 06:21:21 | am4nda | does anyone here know if rockbox can be used with the sony nw-e507 walkmans? |
| 06:23:00 | scorche | am4nda: well, is it in the list of supported targets? |
| 06:23:21 | am4nda | no it isnt, but I figured it didnt hurt to ask |
| 06:23:53 | scorche | well, if it isnt in that list, then why bother? |
| 06:25:17 | dioz | mmmmhmmmmmmm |
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| 06:25:54 | am4nda | because it might be similar to some of the ones on there and someone might pick up on that and tell me how to give it a shot. I'm taking my answer is "no" then? |
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| 06:26:21 | scorche | of course |
| 06:28:02 | dioz | oooh |
| 06:28:11 | dioz | hmm database |
| 06:28:14 | dioz | right on |
| 06:29:37 | dioz | hah only down side i see to this is... anyone else who picks up my ipod will have no fucking clue what to do with it |
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| 06:31:19 | dioz | AFLAC |
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| 07:00:57 | myzar|away | hey linuxstb ^_^ |
| 07:01:04 | myzar|away | omg, scorche! |
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| 07:17:24 | gopp | hmm |
| 07:17:34 | gopp | will rockbox work in my iphone |
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| 07:17:41 | gopp | I just will preorder one |
| 07:17:44 | perldiver | sure |
| 07:17:47 | jba_ | scubacoles, did you get the f20? |
| 07:17:47 | gopp | cool |
| 07:17:47 | perldiver | preoder 2 |
| 07:17:51 | gopp | yea |
| 07:17:56 | gopp | from some cingular dealer |
| 07:18:04 | gopp | as soon as they get them in |
| 07:18:16 | gopp | I told if I could get rockbox to work on the apple iphone |
| 07:18:18 | gopp | well Id idn't say that |
| 07:18:21 | gopp | but that my plan |
| 07:18:35 | perldiver | if you do the port |
| 07:18:38 | perldiver | im sure it will |
| 07:18:45 | gopp | I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. |
| 07:18:54 | gopp | :( |
| 07:19:43 | perldiver | but jokes aside, how can you ask a question about rockbox port for a device that oneone even held yet and wont until june |
| 07:19:57 | gopp | hmm |
| 07:19:59 | gopp | just asking in theory |
| 07:20:07 | gopp | will rockbox or could rockbox be supported |
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| 07:20:18 | gopp | as I seen in your ipod port most or all ipods are supporte |
| 07:20:19 | gopp | d |
| 07:20:50 | gopp | being most or allipods are supported, I assume using iduction logic, that this ipod, will be supported |
| 07:21:03 | perldiver | its called iphone |
| 07:21:17 | perldiver | catch a difference? |
| 07:21:18 | gopp | but I wanted to be use if my logic held any wieght by asking the authority (professional) at rockbox themself. |
| 07:21:22 | Mouser_X | The hardware is almost garnteed to be different. |
| 07:21:41 | gopp | but it has ipod features granted it added a phone to it |
| 07:21:45 | Mouser_X | As such, I see it very unlikely that they share enough resemblence for Rockbox to work on it. |
| 07:21:55 | Mouser_X | *garanteed. |
| 07:22:03 | gopp | well would could argue it an ipod with a phone |
| 07:22:17 | Mouser_X | Features are completely unrelated to whether or not Rockbox will run on it. |
| 07:22:20 | Mouser_X | It's all hardware. |
| 07:22:26 | Mouser_X | The hardware is different. |
| 07:22:41 | perldiver | its a phone running os x that has playing mp3 files as one of the features |
| 07:22:49 | Mouser_X | Therefore, Rockbox has *very* little chance of running on it. |
| 07:22:50 | scorche | the iphone has already been released |
| 07:22:56 | perldiver | so yeah id argue, its not an ipod |
| 07:23:02 | scorche | ...by cisco |
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| 07:26:48 | perldiver | scorche apple is trying to make cisco to drop the name now |
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| 07:27:06 | gopp | I tought I was going to ask my geek friends |
| 07:27:12 | gopp | didn't cisco and linkys come out with iphone |
| 07:27:21 | gopp | how di dapple get the rights to iphone |
| 07:27:45 | gopp | do you think the iphone will run any thing else beside osx |
| 07:28:06 | gopp | are thier any cellphones that run anything beside the firmware and os from cell provider |
| 07:28:25 | scorche | what do you mean? |
| 07:28:38 | scorche | there are windows CE phones, palm os phones, symbian phones, etc |
| 07:28:55 | gopp | yes |
| 07:29:05 | gopp | but those are defualt oem os / firmware |
| 07:29:11 | gopp | I mean like |
| 07:29:23 | gopp | are thier any phones that people have hacked thier own os |
| 07:29:27 | gopp | and still make work as a cellphone |
| 07:29:47 | scorche | people have made linux work on the palm ones and some of the windows ce ones |
| 07:30:03 | gopp | and still be able to dial out |
| 07:30:16 | scorche | no idea if they still can function as a phone though |
| 07:31:17 | perldiver | $600 for 8gb, no 3g, no wifi music syncing, no expandable mem and no removable battery is a bit harsh |
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| 07:33:26 | gopp | yea |
| 07:33:32 | gopp | hmm but it edge |
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| 07:33:37 | gopp | edge is like 3g |
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| 07:33:52 | gopp | and hmm can you synch via bt |
| 07:33:59 | gopp | I will wait for third version |
| 07:34:00 | gopp | of this device |
| 07:34:05 | gopp | I never get apple first version |
| 07:35:33 | gopp | if it runs osx then can it run skype |
| 07:35:36 | gopp | for osx |
| 07:35:44 | gopp | or any of the open source voice programs |
| 07:35:50 | gopp | thus no need for cingular |
| 07:36:05 | scorche | still need cingular's connection |
| 07:36:22 | gopp | even for wifi |
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| 07:36:32 | gopp | darn |
| 07:36:37 | w1ll14m | gopp: i don't think the will put osx on it...... |
| 07:36:39 | scorche | you wont have contant wifi whereever you go... |
| 07:36:50 | w1ll14m | the will have their own CE version ...... |
| 07:36:54 | gopp | I wonder if beachball would occur while trying to make a phone call |
| 07:37:02 | w1ll14m | just like pocketpc.... |
| 07:37:08 | gopp | w1ll14m it runs on osx |
| 07:37:12 | gopp | stevejob said so |
| 07:37:14 | gopp | so does the webpage |
| 07:37:33 | gopp | it would suck to have a beachball spnining while trying to call 911 |
| 07:37:34 | w1ll14m | gopp: it does? or is it a portable package of osx ? |
| 07:37:55 | gopp | not sure |
| 07:37:56 | gopp | but it is osx |
| 07:38:05 | gopp | well obvilous is portable |
| 07:38:07 | gopp | but it osx |
| 07:38:22 | gopp | it using widget as it ui |
| 07:38:52 | w1ll14m | gopp: hmmm they should publish more info..... i believe they have atleast a different platform |
| 07:39:07 | gopp | hmm san fran know has free wifi city wide |
| 07:39:18 | w1ll14m | so if it's possible to run own applications you have to crosscompile them ..... |
| 07:39:31 | gopp | w1ll14m I think it may run xscale |
| 07:39:32 | w1ll14m | well gotta go to work :) cya guys...... |
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| 07:39:37 | gopp | or what ever intell calls it |
| 07:39:40 | gopp | k good night |
| 07:39:55 | w1ll14m|away | ehhh work .... |
| 07:40:03 | w1ll14m|away | its 07:39 am here :) |
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| 07:40:43 | gopp | hmm |
| 07:40:44 | gopp | Operating system OS X |
| 07:40:44 | gopp | Storage 4GB or 8GB |
| 07:40:49 | gopp | http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html |
| 07:40:54 | gopp | oh 5 hour battery |
| 07:40:57 | gopp | oh that sucks |
| 07:41:07 | gopp | Up to 16 hours Audio playback |
| 07:41:18 | gopp | hmm won't say cpu |
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| 07:41:41 | gopp | oh shit |
| 07:41:41 | gopp | This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained. |
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| 07:46:26 | Zagor | linuxstb: (if you read the log) I have an AV320 for you |
| 07:46:40 | Zagor | ping me later |
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| 08:26:52 | * | JdGordon uses crazy voodoo to get Nico_P in the channel.... |
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| 08:36:47 | amiconn | How do I check the binary flag with svn? |
| 08:37:27 | amiconn | It seems 2 simulator bitmaps are missing the binary flag: UI-e200.bmp and UI-ifp7xx.bmp |
| 08:37:33 | Bagder | "svn propget svn:mime-type [file]" |
| 08:40:28 | amiconn | Hmm, those 2 don't show up in the list. ALl others are application/octet-stream |
| 08:41:00 | Bagder | you can set it with propset and then commit |
| 08:41:15 | amiconn | My local copies aren't working (cygwin) |
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| 08:41:23 | amiconn | So if I commit they won't work for anyone |
| 08:41:29 | Bagder | ah true |
| 08:41:52 | amiconn | ...and I already scrapped my cvs working copies |
| 08:41:59 | Bagder | hehe |
| 08:42:32 | amiconn | Hmm, my linux box should have working versions |
| 08:42:55 | Bagder | some of the bmps are marked +x as well |
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| 08:44:03 | amiconn | Hmm, the 2 bmps can be displayed on my linux box, but they're not correct |
| 08:45:06 | JdGordon | morning guys |
| 08:45:13 | Bagder | I figure we should make them binary first, then restore working ones from cvs |
| 08:45:30 | amiconn | AH, true |
| 08:45:47 | amiconn | And cvs can still be checked out... |
| 08:46:06 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:46:26 | Bagder | or we can pick it from an older daily build |
| 08:46:30 | * | amiconn checks out uisimulator |
| 08:46:44 | amiconn | How? |
| 08:46:57 | Bagder | they should be in the source tarball |
| 08:47:33 | JdGordon | I got a question regarding the presently stalled settings patch. The reason its stalled is because maybe 90% of the settings do something after returning from the setting screen and moving this all is boring and slow work. Now, every time the setting screen exits settings_apply() is run, so is it OK to just put all the code run after the setting screen into settings_apply() ? |
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| 08:49:32 | scorche | Bagder: can you put http://mikachu.ath.cx/Debian-3.7z onto download.rockbox.org please? |
| 08:52:13 | bluebrother | hmm, some manual builds are broken. Seems to be corrupted png files |
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| 08:55:29 | * | amiconn made his very first svn commit :) |
| 08:55:32 | Bagder | scorche: will do! |
| 08:55:52 | Bagder | bluebrother: probably the same kind of error amiconn is working with |
| 08:56:20 | bluebrother | it also seems to like messing up with the file permissions ... I get this strangely for parts of my builds |
| 08:56:21 | JdGordon | noone wants to comment? :( |
| 08:56:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: Most probably not. Most things which aren't done live while changing the setting are costly, otherwise they would be live |
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| 08:56:52 | combrains | this question's probably been asked about a million times in the past 24 hrs but ill ask it anyway... |
| 08:57:01 | combrains | hows the transition to SVN going? |
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| 08:57:52 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, thats what i was thinking, but the way its setup is costly stuff (like wps loading and such) are skipped anyway |
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| 08:58:05 | safetydan | oh how embarrassment |
| 08:59:13 | GodEaterWeb | hehe |
| 08:59:26 | GodEaterWeb | I take it that Dan on the list was you then ? :) |
| 08:59:53 | scorche | safetydan: ouch |
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| 09:00:06 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 09:00:11 | safetydan | that's a me :) |
| 09:00:28 | scorche | hopefully, you dont use that password anywhere else ;) |
| 09:00:34 | GodEaterWeb | yeah |
| 09:00:36 | safetydan | luckily it was randomly generated |
| 09:00:38 | * | Bagder hands safetydan the funny hat with the "it was me" sign to wear |
| 09:00:39 | safetydan | good ol' pwgen |
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| 09:01:14 | Bagder | scorche: done! |
| 09:01:38 | scorche | thanks |
| 09:01:49 | * | safetydan wonders where the Internet's undo button is |
| 09:02:24 | JdGordon | thats coming in web 3.0 |
| 09:03:42 | scorche | Bagder: know where that third mirror comes from? |
| 09:03:46 | bluebrother | hmm. How do I replace an ascii-conversion broken image file? Simply check in a new version? |
| 09:04:03 | Bagder | scorche: no idea |
| 09:04:29 | * | Bagder removed debian-1.6z |
| 09:04:33 | Bagder | 7z |
| 09:04:53 | * | Bagder plans to offer the dl site with rsync |
| 09:04:58 | scorche | also, if anyone can check the image, it would be nice =) |
| 09:05:03 | Bagder | to offer others to do complete mirrors |
| 09:05:21 | scorche | i tested it on my own machine of course, but it *could* be different on others... |
| 09:05:49 | scorche | especially the network connections |
| 09:06:35 | JdGordon | the .m3u8 playlists rockbox writes, can they be handled like a regular ascii file? |
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| 09:08:05 | bluebrother | JdGordon: they are simply text files with utf8 encoding |
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| 09:14:36 | amiconn | Bagder: I remember having read sth about pre-setting mime types based on extension in svn |
| 09:14:38 | * | petur congratulates safetydan :p |
| 09:14:59 | bluebrother | ok, there are 3 files broken by a conversion to ascii: ss-doom-220x176x16.png, ss-doom-160x128x2.png and ss-minesweeper-160x128x16.png which seem to have broken the daily manuals |
| 09:15:01 | amiconn | Since BMPs are so common in our repository, I think it'd make sense to preset a mime type for them |
| 09:15:10 | bluebrother | got to go now so I can't look into it now. |
| 09:15:16 | Bagder | amiconn: I agree |
| 09:15:27 | bluebrother | add png if that is not predefined |
| 09:15:37 | * | bluebrother leaves for some while |
| 09:16:38 | Bagder | these errors are not because of that though |
| 09:16:51 | Bagder | these are because cvs didn't have these marked binary |
| 09:17:06 | Bagder | afaiu |
| 09:17:45 | JdGordon | has anyone got a unicode playlist with non-ascii filenames they can send me plase? |
| 09:17:49 | JdGordon | please* |
| 09:19:19 | * | amiconn also wonders whether it would be better to set the real mime type instead of just application/octet-stream |
| 09:19:26 | amiconn | cvs didn't know about mime types |
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| 09:20:02 | Bagder | I guess that depends on what viewvc does with the mime-type |
| 09:20:18 | Bagder | since for svn itself it doesn't matter if the file is bmp or png etc |
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| 09:23:16 | JdGordon | Bagder: when the changelog script gets fixed for svn, would it be possible to change fs#xxxx to a link? |
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| 09:23:32 | Bagder | everything's possible of course! ;-) |
| 09:24:30 | GodEaterWeb | really?!? Can we travel into the future to the point where we've fixed the 80GB iPod then please ? ;-) |
| 09:24:53 | Bagder | sure |
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| 09:24:55 | JdGordon | GodEaterWeb: didnt you see the message? it was fixed a few huors ago... |
| 09:24:56 | Bagder | :-P |
| 09:25:00 | JdGordon | not in svn just yet tho |
| 09:25:01 | GodEaterWeb | hehe |
| 09:25:12 | GodEaterWeb | JdGordon: nah - must have missed that one :) |
| 09:25:13 | jba_ | hey hey\ |
| 09:25:15 | * | JdGordon almost typed cvs then :p |
| 09:25:20 | JdGordon | damn habbits ! |
| 09:25:41 | scorche | was that a typo for hobbits? |
| 09:25:56 | JdGordon | only if you want it to be :D |
| 09:26:32 | * | Bagder managed to get into a really busy project this week to make the svn transition more interesting |
| 09:26:51 | JdGordon | hmm.... how do I tell svn to use a different username? |
| 09:27:10 | Bagder | allow the prompt |
| 09:27:21 | JdGordon | its askin for the password for 'jonno' |
| 09:27:22 | Bagder | it first tries your local name and then prompts you |
| 09:27:37 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 09:27:42 | amiconn | You can also use −−username xyz |
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| 09:27:57 | * | JdGordon does his firs commit :) |
| 09:28:28 | JdGordon | does it ask for the password every time? |
| 09:28:36 | Bagder | no |
| 09:29:02 | JdGordon | :) that would be enough for me to say go back to cvs :D |
| 09:30:19 | JdGordon | are the build scripts running yet? |
| 09:30:35 | Bagder | no |
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| 09:31:00 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:31:11 | * | JdGordon be's very careful when commiting :) |
| 09:31:47 | Bagder | I hope to at least do a test-run today |
| 09:32:05 | JdGordon | great |
| 09:32:07 | Bagder | still only some 4-5 servers reported fixed |
| 09:32:47 | amiconn | Better than 0 |
| 09:33:01 | Bagder | true |
| 09:33:07 | JdGordon | I'm getting my server rebuild hopfully this week, just aiting for my brother to get a new comp, so ill let you know when its ready |
| 09:33:12 | Bagder | and localhost is fixed and that is now a pretty fast beast |
| 09:33:43 | Bagder | it'll be interesting to see how that changes build speeds |
| 09:33:47 | Bagder | that and the new fast net |
| 09:41:17 | jba_ | badger badgerm, you prolly heard this a million times today, is the svn server ready for anaonymous check out? |
| 09:41:24 | Bagder | sure |
| 09:41:50 | LinusN | time to retire the UsingCVS wiki page :-) |
| 09:41:52 | Bagder | we need to get instructions all over updated |
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| 09:46:21 | jba_ | badger, at least modigy .topic in here to indicate the transition is done then? |
| 09:46:26 | jba_ | or is it still not done |
| 09:46:27 | RedZZR | is there a wiki page with the svn checkout instructions on? - (i've seen the one about merging) |
| 09:46:35 | Bagder | it isn't completed yet |
| 09:46:39 | RedZZR | ok.. |
| 09:46:49 | Bagder | I mean the transition |
| 09:46:59 | Bagder | I don't think there's a single mention in the wiki about svn yet |
| 09:47:25 | LinusN | there is that odd one with the local svn repo |
| 09:47:37 | jba_ | what;s the checkout url and module ? |
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| 09:47:58 | Bagder | "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" |
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| 09:48:34 | Topic | "SVN transition still in progress. "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 09:49:22 | RedZZR | thanks, will give it a go |
| 09:50:56 | JdGordon | oh. does anyone mind if I change the default remote wps to include the album tag? there is one extra line on the iriver remote with the default font |
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| 09:51:40 | * | bluebrother doesn't see a reason for this −− the default wps doesn't fill the main lcd on iriver as well |
| 09:52:43 | JdGordon | I know... I'm asking because its been buging me for ages |
| 09:52:55 | bluebrother | why not use a different wps? ;-) |
| 09:53:29 | JdGordon | Or, can I put the wps code into rockbox_default.(r)wps so it can be used as a base, (I know that file is never actually read) |
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| 09:59:13 | Bagder | 5 more committers added |
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| 09:59:49 | JdGordon | how many are there now? |
| 09:59:56 | Bagder | 19 |
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| 10:00:06 | * | scorche sneaks in an e-mail |
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| 10:00:16 | JdGordon | how many were there on cvs? |
| 10:00:16 | Bagder | out of 60 something |
| 10:00:21 | JdGordon | cool |
| 10:00:24 | JdGordon | haha scorche |
| 10:00:49 | jba_ | badger how many gigabeat devs on it now? |
| 10:00:52 | * | bluebrother just found out how to change the mime-type of a file |
| 10:01:04 | jba_ | svn property bluebrother |
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| 10:01:07 | Bagder | jba_: only one in svn |
| 10:01:10 | Bagder | so far |
| 10:01:17 | jba_ | markun? |
| 10:01:20 | bluebrother | jba_: just found that out myself ;-) |
| 10:01:22 | Bagder | nope |
| 10:01:31 | Bagder | greg white |
| 10:01:36 | jba_ | aah, i've been using svn for over two yuears |
| 10:01:42 | jba_ | so i'm a happy chappy |
| 10:02:08 | jba_ | bluebrother, depending on your svn client, you may need to tell it to recursively set the property on all directories |
| 10:02:26 | bluebrother | is anonymous cvs still running? I need to grab an old copy of those files or wait until I get home |
| 10:02:34 | Bagder | bluebrother: it still runs |
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| 10:02:40 | JdGordon | If i'm working on a few different patches at the same time do I still need a full source tree for each like with cvs? |
| 10:02:44 | Bagder | and viewcvs is too |
| 10:03:13 | Bagder | JdGordon: you can check out a single dir with svn if you want to |
| 10:04:04 | jba_ | the one thing i'm yet to find is a svn web system that uses the php svn bindings, instead of needing to shell exec the svn executable |
| 10:04:12 | jba_ | if you find one of those badger let me know |
| 10:04:56 | JdGordon | thats makes compiling hard... Can I do a checkout from the clean part of another local tree so i dont have t download the whole thing? |
| 10:07:02 | * | Bagder suggests reading the svn book |
| 10:07:49 | JdGordon | :( but its long and boring... |
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| 10:07:53 | * | JdGordon heads off to sulk |
| 10:08:01 | jba_ | jbgordon read up on svn switch |
| 10:08:10 | jba_ | it's a great source |
| 10:10:38 | bluebrother | so the mime-type property is svn:mime-type, right? |
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| 10:20:20 | Bagder | correct |
| 10:21:08 | bluebrother | good. Looks like I managed to restore the 3 broken screenshots the right way :) |
| 10:22:22 | bluebrother | too bad this box can't build the manual. tetex way outdated ... |
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| 10:25:42 | * | bluebrother starts to like svn |
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| 11:10:37 | webguest99 | JdGordon: ping |
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| 11:14:14 | daurnimator | yo |
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| 11:28:07 | frogslegs | heh, its nice to see dev's being told to go RTFM for a change :> |
| 11:28:30 | frogslegs | svn change and all |
| 11:28:42 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:29:24 | LinusN | a humbling experience ;-) |
| 11:30:17 | frogslegs | the air is nice and fresh outside the ivory towers, where mosr us plebs live |
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| 11:32:00 | Bagder | ivory towers are good |
| 11:38:16 | frogslegs | later |
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| 11:40:17 | jba | hey Bagder what's the significance of the mispelling in your nick? |
| 11:41:03 | Bagder | I picked my nick some 20 years ago |
| 11:41:14 | Bagder | and then I misspelled it and then I kept it like that |
| 11:41:21 | jba | no as in, was it a typo or did someone else have the proper spelling? |
| 11:41:26 | jba | aah cool |
| 11:41:45 | Bagder | it actually took me a while to even realize it was misspelled ;-) |
| 11:41:50 | scorche | he does it just to make us confused in real life... |
| 11:42:41 | * | scorche constantly spells Bagder's name and badger the "wrong" way |
| 11:44:46 | safetydan | Shouldn't the mime types for the images be set to image/png etc, rather than application/octet-stream? |
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| 11:47:04 | CelticSoul | guys, how to build ttk with hotdog? |
| 11:47:47 | GodEaterWeb | wth are ttk and hotdog ? |
| 11:47:59 | * | GodEaterWeb suspects they're nothing to do with rockbox |
| 11:49:23 | norbusan | CelticSoul: put them into a pan, stir it on small fire for 20 minutes, add some sugar, and enjoy. |
| 11:49:40 | CelticSoul | norbusan: thanks |
| 11:49:53 | norbusan | ;-) |
| 11:50:11 | CelticSoul | now how to build rockbox firmware? |
| 11:50:51 | bluebrother | ../tools/configure && make && make zip |
| 11:50:59 | Bagder | first you R, then you go over to T while slowly considering F and the adjacent M |
| 11:51:19 | CelticSoul | Bagder, thanks |
| 11:51:22 | Bagder | :-) |
| 11:51:28 | Bagder | really, it is documented pretty good in the wiki |
| 11:51:51 | norbusan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 11:53:00 | CelticSoul | ok, so I must extract the zip file to music partition right? |
| 11:53:12 | bluebrother | to the players root folder |
| 11:53:31 | bluebrother | if you call that "music partition" then yes. |
| 11:54:11 | CelticSoul | is there anyway to make it work with IpodLoader2? |
| 11:54:25 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 11:54:25 | Bagder | sure, that can load rockbox |
| 11:54:40 | bluebrother | it's documented on the wiki page describing the boot loader |
| 11:54:41 | CelticSoul | cause I already have a loader, I just want a firmware |
| 11:56:18 | CelticSoul | I dont mind reading the manual, just dont know which maual is right for me |
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| 11:56:58 | bluebrother | which device? |
| 11:57:35 | CelticSoul | iPod photo 60GB |
| 11:58:28 | bluebrother | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor-20070109.pdf |
| 11:59:25 | * | bluebrother notes to fix that manual mentions only Color as matching device |
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| 12:00:09 | CelticSoul | so rockbox.ipod is the firmware actually? |
| 12:00:32 | bluebrother | yes, but it needs files from the .rockbox folder to work as expected |
| 12:00:36 | bluebrother | e.g. codecs |
| 12:02:51 | CelticSoul | ok, got it |
| 12:03:15 | CelticSoul | thank you guys |
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| 12:12:53 | jba | hey guys, 2 line patch to fix bass/trebble saving and loading for gigabaet |
| 12:12:57 | jba | who to send it to |
| 12:16:54 | safetydan | hrmm, chopper plugin runs out of menus after playing a few games |
| 12:17:12 | jba | Bagder, which gigabeat dev has commit access for svn? |
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| 12:20:21 | Bagder | jba: only gwhite at this point |
| 12:21:00 | jba | debaouched_sloth |
| 12:21:01 | jba | cool |
| 12:21:07 | jba | i gotta find him online somewhere |
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| 12:25:22 | jba | the problem was exactly as linuxstb had said yesterday |
| 12:26:19 | jba | in apps\settings.c i needed to add defined(HAVE_WM8751) in the settings stucture |
| 12:26:43 | jba | so i said two lines, it was really one line, i just put it on a new line, so I needed to do a \ on the end of the pre-processor line |
| 12:27:32 | jba | is there anyone else i can convince to commit that for me? |
| 12:28:49 | daurnimator | hey |
| 12:28:59 | daurnimator | anyone know anything about iphone internals? |
| 12:29:13 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 12:29:16 | daurnimator | chipset? arch? vendor? |
| 12:29:17 | GodEaterWeb | Steve Jobs ? |
| 12:29:26 | Bagder | availabilty Q3, wasn't it? |
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| 12:29:32 | RedZZR | Not many people seen a real one yet... |
| 12:29:35 | daurnimator | surely some company has bragged that they make the iphone parts... |
| 12:29:54 | daurnimator | its been on free to air news here for the past 3 days |
| 12:29:58 | scorche | they say june |
| 12:29:58 | daurnimator | and in every ad break |
| 12:30:00 | GodEaterWeb | doubt they'd be able to before Mr. Jobs launched it |
| 12:30:02 | RedZZR | Apple will have an NDA with them.... |
| 12:30:10 | GodEaterWeb | not just Apple |
| 12:30:12 | daurnimator | shares go up or something :P |
| 12:30:19 | GodEaterWeb | that'd be "insider trading" stuff |
| 12:30:30 | daurnimator | you can't make a multimillion dollar deal, and not tell your shareholders :P |
| 12:30:32 | Bagder | they went bezerk on samsung for telling |
| 12:30:40 | Bagder | so I think companies are careful now |
| 12:31:18 | RedZZR | I think the iPhone UI looks cool and very usable... maybe we should borrow the icons for a new Menu System for RockBox :) |
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| 12:31:26 | daurnimator | i love it |
| 12:31:28 | daurnimator | but |
| 12:31:33 | daurnimator | 1, i'll have to use itunes |
| 12:31:37 | daurnimator | 2, i can't use wavpack |
| 12:31:40 | scorche | RedZZR: lets not... |
| 12:32:49 | Bagder | apple always do crippled stuff one way or the other and I expect no less with this |
| 12:33:16 | linuxstb_ | daurnimator: Do you know how well archopen works on the AV320/340? |
| 12:33:22 | GodEaterWeb | since it's running OSX (according to their web page) it should be more extensible than an ipod I'd have thought |
| 12:33:33 | RedZZR | how long before that UI appears on a Widescreen IPOD then? |
| 12:33:35 | daurnimator | linuxstb_: ask oxygen77 |
| 12:33:38 | Bagder | linuxstb_: did you see zagor's offer for a AV for you? |
| 12:34:17 | daurnimator | anyway |
| 12:34:26 | daurnimator | i've been in the tropics for a week or so |
| 12:34:30 | daurnimator | any new stuff? |
| 12:34:31 | jba | hey linuxstb_ do you mind looking over/commiting a quick fix for gigabeat for me? |
| 12:34:42 | thegeek | GodEaterWeb: the os x part is probaby what I find most interesting |
| 12:34:46 | daurnimator | i've just got back and seen 200+ posts in my RSS on iphone |
| 12:35:04 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: I did, yes... |
| 12:35:22 | jba | jba-mono/bass_trebble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch">http://members.optusnet.com.au/jba-mono/bass_trebble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch |
| 12:35:30 | jba | that's the patch if anyone is interested in helping out |
| 12:35:41 | jba | like I said, it's a quickie |
| 12:35:49 | jba | okay sleep time for me |
| 12:35:52 | jba | good night guys |
| 12:35:52 | * | scorche notes that it is "treble" |
| 12:36:05 | jba | dude, it's late, I've got a newborn and in need of sleep |
| 12:36:13 | jba | you can allow me the mis-spelling can;t you? |
| 12:36:32 | jba | catch ya round scorche |
| 12:36:47 | * | scorche salutes |
| 12:36:51 | jba | there i fixed the spelling |
| 12:37:07 | jba | jba-mono/bass_treble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch">http://members.optusnet.com.au/jba-mono/bass_treble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch now |
| 12:37:11 | scorche | haha...you should know that i am just screwing with you ;) |
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| 12:37:26 | jba | i checked the code |
| 12:37:29 | jba | you were correct |
| 12:37:29 | * | jba out |
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| 12:44:50 | webguest24 | goffa: rkostynu got 15:30 hours on his F10, don't know what he got with the OF |
| 12:45:22 | safetydan | bah, so now I've fixed the menus in the chopper plugin, but the terrain isn't randomised anymore |
| 12:45:30 | safetydan | guess I won't be trying to commit that tonight |
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| 12:48:18 | linuxstb_ | Anyone know if 160GB is the largest 2.5" drive currently available? Has anything larger been announced? |
| 12:49:30 | Bagder | "Fujitsu has launched a 200GB Serial ATA 2.5in hard disk drive " |
| 12:49:33 | Bagder | march 2006 |
| 12:49:42 | Bagder | but that's SATA |
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| 12:53:57 | scorche | as far as IDE, 160 is the largest atm |
| 12:54:32 | linuxstb_ | Seems Toshiba also have a 200GB S-ATA - MK2035GSS |
| 12:54:32 | scorche | although i dont see why they havent put out larger yet...they have 120 1" now... |
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| 13:07:30 | CelticSoul | guys, when I click on rockbox on my iPod, it shows ROLO loading... then the Rockbox logo and go back to the main menu |
| 13:08:47 | Bagder | yes, that's the rockbox firmware you then run (again) |
| 13:08:58 | Bagder | it's not a menu |
| 13:09:02 | Bagder | its a file browser |
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| 13:11:26 | CelticSoul | can I browse other partition? |
| 13:12:00 | d47 | are you talking about on the ipod? |
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| 13:12:18 | d47 | the boot partition? |
| 13:12:22 | GodEaterWeb | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5038 <−− PortalPlayer in the iPhone allegedly. |
| 13:12:28 | CelticSoul | yes, I'm talking about the iPod |
| 13:12:43 | d47 | are you in windows or linux? |
| 13:12:53 | CelticSoul | I have 3 partitions on it, |
| 13:13:00 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 13:13:03 | daurnimator | "SanDisk takes the cake today for handing out 1GB Sansa C240 MP3 players outside their press conference" |
| 13:13:09 | daurnimator | free C240s |
| 13:13:10 | daurnimator | :( |
| 13:13:14 | d47 | omftg |
| 13:13:22 | d47 | are you serious? |
| 13:13:35 | d47 | thats close to oprah giving away wii's |
| 13:13:35 | CelticSoul | I mean, browse other partition on rockbox |
| 13:13:54 | d47 | Celtic, oh i see, sry i have no idea |
| 13:14:06 | Bagder | no, that's generally not enabled |
| 13:14:25 | markun_ | CelticSoul: I think you need to set a define and recompile rockbox for that to work |
| 13:14:49 | CelticSoul | ok, will try that later, thank you |
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| 13:16:53 | preglow | haha, i was just waiting for someone to spam the devlist with their password |
| 13:16:55 | d47 | is it just me or is ati getting mentioned less and less in modern devices? |
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| 13:17:27 | * | Bagder brand new laptop has ATI graphics |
| 13:17:41 | Bagder | (add a 's wherever you see fit) |
| 13:17:55 | d47 | lol |
| 13:18:54 | pondlife | GodEaterWeb: In older news, http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/shownews.asp?where=2895625&num=9767 seems more certain |
| 13:21:07 | * | preglow wants a brand new laptop :/ |
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| 13:22:26 | d47 | lol my laptop is broken in multiple ways, the screen *flops*, and the battery doesnt charge, so its a floptop that needs a powerpoint =/ |
| 13:22:29 | markun_ | linuxstb: black is showing up as dark-gray in the mpegplayer. gtkspert confirmed that this also happened in the UI sim |
| 13:22:39 | Bagder | I'm happy with my asus f3ja |
| 13:23:14 | d47 | i got a toshiba satelite A10 from leik 2003 or sumin |
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| 13:23:53 | Bagder | 1.8GHz intel core 2 duo, 1680x1050 15.4" LCD, 120GB disk |
| 13:24:10 | d47 | oo |
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| 13:24:17 | Bagder | debian linux |
| 13:24:35 | daurn | o.o |
| 13:24:36 | daurn | that took a while |
| 13:24:43 | daurn | my computer had time to restart |
| 13:24:44 | daurn | and me make a cup of tea |
| 13:24:51 | daurn | before i timed out |
| 13:24:56 | d47 | 2.2Ghz pentium M, 512mb ram, 15 inch 60GB ubuntu linux |
| 13:25:12 | * | GodEaterWeb notes that Nvidia has announced on it's own front page that it has complete the portalplayer takeover |
| 13:25:17 | Nico_P | Bagder: i've gt almost the same :) asus f3jm |
| 13:25:19 | GodEaterWeb | and the points people at : http://tinyurl.com/ydkwa8 |
| 13:25:33 | GodEaterWeb | which might mean a policy shift in information flow about portalplayer |
| 13:25:38 | * | GodEaterWeb is ever the optimist |
| 13:25:47 | Nico_P | the hi res lcd is really nice |
| 13:26:14 | * | GodEaterWeb has a 1920x1200 display on his laptop |
| 13:26:32 | Bagder | yeah, I have one of those dells here too |
| 13:26:37 | * | d47 hasnt even got that on his uber pc =/ |
| 13:26:40 | Bagder | but my asus lcd is nicer |
| 13:26:42 | GodEaterWeb | ironically that's higher than my desktop :) |
| 13:26:53 | d47 | heh |
| 13:26:58 | * | Bagder has 4 computers in his room |
| 13:27:03 | d47 | lol me 2 |
| 13:27:06 | Bagder | working from home is a blessing |
| 13:27:08 | d47 | and a tv |
| 13:27:14 | * | GodEaterWeb has three on his desk here - and 3 at home too |
| 13:27:21 | Bagder | one TV and two settop boxes |
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| 13:27:25 | d47 | lol |
| 13:27:40 | GodEaterWeb | I did have six at home but I decided that was getting silly |
| 13:28:04 | * | d47 has gentoo, damn small linux & 2x ubuntu in his room |
| 13:28:48 | Bagder | you won't get cold at least ;-) |
| 13:29:06 | d47 | yeh its quite warm in here =/ |
| 13:29:07 | markun_ | and some embedded computers with rockbox of course |
| 13:29:13 | d47 | lol |
| 13:29:36 | Bagder | I'm a mere 5 mp3 players owner |
| 13:29:45 | Bagder | one of the little kids in this company |
| 13:30:04 | d47 | i installed rockbox on my brothers ipod video but he just didnt get it, and made me put it back =/ he doesnt know what he's missing |
| 13:30:31 | thegeek | hehehe |
| 13:30:42 | thegeek | the ipod software is not that horrible,P |
| 13:30:56 | d47 | yeh but wheres the doom?? and the pokemon??!?! |
| 13:30:56 | thegeek | itunes is the biggest problem, but foobar2000 fixes that ;) |
| 13:31:00 | thegeek | ah yes |
| 13:31:06 | thegeek | ;P |
| 13:31:19 | markun_ | I noticed a problem on my gigabeat: after leaving some plugins, some parts of the WPS have the background colour of the plugin |
| 13:31:30 | markun_ | does this happen to anyone else? |
| 13:31:38 | d47 | really? i havnt noticed that |
| 13:31:55 | d47 | no mines relativly flawless |
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| 13:32:33 | markun_ | My backgroundcolour is black, after leaving minesweeper the background colour of my progress bar in the WPS is gray |
| 13:32:45 | d47 | ill try that now brb |
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| 13:35:24 | d47 | yes markun i do also get that |
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| 13:35:44 | d47 | havnt noticed it until now though |
| 13:36:34 | RedZZR | I think perl was mentioning it the other day, It seems to have appeared when the DMA code was introduced, also pacbox stopped working |
| 13:37:22 | markun_ | can anyone with a non-gigabeat colour DAP verify that it only happens on the gigabeat? |
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| 13:54:54 | linuxstb_ | markun_: I'm sure people would have mentioned that by now (WPS corruption) if it was a general problem. |
| 13:55:58 | linuxstb_ | markun_: Regarding the "black is dark grey" problem in mpegplayer, the culprit will be the lcd_yuv_blit() function, but I've been leaving that function to others... |
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| 14:05:34 | markun_ | linuxstb_ maybe a problem with YUV vs YCbCr |
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| 14:43:57 | perldiver | markun interesting bug |
| 14:44:30 | goffa | what bug is that? |
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| 14:45:24 | gath | hey there |
| 14:45:34 | goffa | hi |
| 14:45:38 | perldiver | [07:31] <markun_> I noticed a problem on my gigabeat: after leaving some plugins, some parts of the WPS have the background colour of the plugin |
| 14:45:43 | perldiver | morning goffa |
| 14:45:58 | goffa | yeah.. that is an odd bug |
| 14:46:00 | goffa | mornin |
| 14:46:19 | perldiver | progress bar bug and now that |
| 14:47:00 | goffa | yeah... on the progress bar on the unicatcher i just think that the progress bar and song title are too high |
| 14:47:05 | goffa | er next song title |
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| 14:47:32 | goffa | under the codec there is that faded bar, i think that's where it's supposed to go |
| 14:47:49 | goffa | its just that it overlaps codec name causing pink to show |
| 14:48:02 | goffa | brb.. headed to work |
| 14:48:17 | gath | i tried to install rockbox, after the command "./ipodpatcher /dev/sda1 -r bootpartition.bin", i got the answer [ERR] Bad boot sector signature |
| 14:48:22 | Nico_P | JdGordon: still not there ? |
| 14:48:23 | gath | what does it mean? |
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| 14:48:52 | gath | i have a ipod 5G and use Linux |
| 14:49:53 | linuxstb_ | You should use /dev/sda |
| 14:50:03 | Juice^ | I also requested the data sheet for E200 and got the mail in reply to sign a confidential agreement :O |
| 14:50:22 | Bagder | Juice^: did you get the agreement text? |
| 14:50:37 | Juice^ | Bagder: yes |
| 14:50:38 | gath | linuxstb_: yeah you are right, sda1 ist the partition and not the hd |
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| 14:51:21 | linuxstb_ | Juice^: Are you allowed to disclose the NDA? |
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| 14:52:48 | Juice^ | Bagder: Not really sure of what agreement text you speak of, but i got an standard confidental agreement document to fill out, with some information inside... copyrights etc. which seems to be an "november 2002 edition" |
| 14:53:42 | daven | linuxstb_: you should probably use dmesg to find out what the ipod has actually been shown up as (on my system, as ther are multiple usb-key like drives, /dev/sda certainly would be wrong) |
| 14:54:05 | linuxstb_ | daven: ipodpatcher has a -scan option... |
| 14:54:21 | daven | ah |
| 14:54:24 | daven | useful :) |
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| 14:54:46 | daurn | [00:54:09] <daurn> hey |
| 14:54:46 | daurn | [00:54:17] <daurn> 60gb 1.8" drives annouced |
| 14:54:46 | daurn | [00:54:24] <daurn> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=seagate-ships-lyrion-the-industrys-most-intelligent-and-evolved-1.8-inch-hd&vgnextoid=0792001bd6eff010VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD |
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| 14:54:46 | daurn | [00:54:39] <daurn> (single platter) |
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| 14:56:53 | Unleet | Yo. |
| 14:59:48 | Unleet | What mp3 player is better, the Ipod or the Zune? |
| 14:59:59 | d47 | ... |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:43 | Unleet | Just asking. |
| 15:00:48 | Febs | Unleet: it really depends on what you find useful in a player. |
| 15:00:53 | Bagder | zune can't run rockbox |
| 15:01:09 | Unleet | I know it can't. |
| 15:01:23 | Unleet | Bad battery in the zune, bigger screen though. |
| 15:01:59 | Unleet | I actually have the H1020gb with rockbpx. |
| 15:02:03 | Unleet | box* |
| 15:02:10 | d47 | personaly i think ipods and zunes are both horible |
| 15:02:44 | Unleet | Lol. |
| 15:02:48 | Unleet | Why? |
| 15:02:52 | d47 | it doesnt matter what features it has when they use drm and restrict music formats |
| 15:02:57 | Bagder | the AMS NDA is strict enough to render anything gotten under that contract as unusable |
| 15:03:13 | Bagder | unless someone wants them on their tail |
| 15:03:38 | Bagder | "The parties agree to keep all disclosed confidential information strictly confidential." |
| 15:03:38 | d47 | they call this a feature: "Support for Zune Digital Rights Management (DRM) (incompatible with other DRM schemes)." |
| 15:03:39 | Unleet | True. |
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| 15:04:39 | daven | meh. The design of the ipod is nice if nothing else. However, the DRM stuff is really quite bad, I'll agree. |
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| 15:04:44 | dan_a | Bagder: may I see a copy? |
| 15:05:57 | d47 | although i think that wifi is a great feature, too bad its only compatible with other zunes... |
| 15:08:40 | linuxstb_ | daven: DRM on the ipods is completely optional, even with the Apple firmware... |
| 15:09:18 | d47 | rly, im not very familiar with ipods |
| 15:09:24 | GodEaterWeb | yeah, I've never downloaded a single tune from ITMS |
| 15:09:31 | Bagder | 24 committers in svn |
| 15:09:33 | perldiver | sound quality wise ipods are very mediocre |
| 15:09:35 | GodEaterWeb | so all my ipod music is completely DRM free |
| 15:09:53 | GodEaterWeb | no complaints about the sound quality on mine |
| 15:10:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:10:03 | GodEaterWeb | but freely admit to lacking golden ears :) |
| 15:10:13 | d47 | heh |
| 15:10:30 | dwihno | If I compare my archos experience with my ipod 5g, the archos runs around the ipod in circles (audio quality wise) |
| 15:10:36 | GodEaterWeb | plus I don't use the stock headphones - got some flavour of Senheisser ones - don't recall which. |
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| 15:12:03 | amiconn | dwihno: Comparing newer archoses (MAS3587F, MAS3539F), archos player (MAS3507D+DAC3550), irivers (UDA1380), X5 (TLV320) and ipod mini G2 (WM8711), the newer archoses have the best sound quality imo |
| 15:12:06 | linuxstb_ | The 5g is accepted (afaik) as being the best of the ipods though (ignoring the original Shuffle, I don't know about the new shuffle). My Color is definitely lacking in that department. |
| 15:12:29 | perldiver | 4g has a much better amp than 5g |
| 15:12:40 | d47 | in what department? |
| 15:12:48 | linuxstb_ | The sound department... |
| 15:12:52 | |SuGerMan| | where most u guys from ?? CA ?? |
| 15:12:53 | d47 | k |
| 15:12:54 | dwihno | amiconn: I've only tested the rec20 and ipod 5g :) |
| 15:12:59 | d47 | australia |
| 15:13:26 | |SuGerMan| | i'm looking for a Canadian server ... anyone know where i can get hold of ppl from Saskatoon ? |
| 15:13:52 | d47 | saskatoon lol funny name |
| 15:13:55 | Bagder | now this seems veeeery Rockbox related ;-) |
| 15:14:11 | |SuGerMan| | sorry man ... |
| 15:14:28 | |SuGerMan| | just cant find any channels |
| 15:14:28 | Mikachu | d47: there's a town called Woolloomoolo in australia |
| 15:15:04 | phrozen77 | Mikachu: at least something you still can pronounce when youre drunken :P |
| 15:15:25 | d47 | lol, i used to live close to galargenbone |
| 15:15:31 | |SuGerMan| | so i take it no one knows anyone in Saskatoon ? |
| 15:15:51 | LinusN | at least nobody dares to admit it :-) |
| 15:16:21 | |SuGerMan| | *sigh* |
| 15:16:26 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:16:32 | Mikachu | i'd say you're more likely to find geographical channels on other networks |
| 15:17:07 | |SuGerMan| | well i've been looking on other networks and most them are poo |
| 15:17:09 | d47 | woolloomoolo sounds like something out of age of empires |
| 15:17:09 | dan_a | Bagder: Thanks. It doesn't look very helpful, but it doesn't look like it would apply to us, as we're not "cooperating in the development of integrated circuits" |
| 15:17:38 | GodEaterWeb | I wouldn't have thought many NDAs are GPL compatible :) |
| 15:17:49 | d47 | heh |
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| 15:19:00 | | Part norbusan |
| 15:19:00 | GodEaterWeb | wtf is he after canadians for? He's signed on from South Africa! |
| 15:19:11 | Mikachu | you should have asked him |
| 15:19:13 | LinusN | maybe he's homesick |
| 15:19:23 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hey |
| 15:19:25 | GodEaterWeb | maybe |
| 15:19:28 | Bagder | standard canadian trick, they all do that ;-P |
| 15:19:32 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 15:19:38 | GodEaterWeb | untrustworthy bunch |
| 15:19:44 | LinusN | sneaky fellows |
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| 15:20:07 | GodEaterWeb | present company excepted of course. *peers at fellow channel members* |
| 15:20:23 | d47 | of course |
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| 15:20:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
| 15:20:57 | d47 | out of intrest what net speed are you all on? |
| 15:21:05 | LinusN | i'm on speed |
| 15:21:10 | daurn | anyway |
| 15:21:12 | daurn | night all |
| 15:21:14 | d47 | funny |
| 15:21:16 | d47 | night |
| 15:21:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:21:30 | * | Bagder is on a 24mbit adsl |
| 15:21:30 | * | GodEaterWeb searches for the infinity symbol |
| 15:21:33 | daurn | may the night bring you all super...coding....abilities |
| 15:21:35 | Bagder | theoretically 24mbit |
| 15:21:43 | * | LinusN is on 8mbit/s ADSL |
| 15:21:51 | * | Mikachu has 100mbit |
| 15:21:58 | daurn | i'm on 512kbps adsl! |
| 15:21:59 | * | d47 is on a lowly 1.5mbps |
| 15:22:13 | GodEaterWeb | dual 300 mbit here AFAICR |
| 15:22:22 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hows things? |
| 15:22:29 | Mikachu | GodEaterWeb: â |
| 15:22:36 | daurn | JdGordon: hi, and bye :P |
| 15:22:42 | JdGordon | hey |
| 15:22:43 | GodEaterWeb | I just knew someone would do that ;) |
| 15:22:47 | Juice^ | fiber optical net here :) |
| 15:22:51 | GodEaterWeb | I couldn't be bothered to load charmap :) |
| 15:23:05 | Mikachu | i can enter it directly |
| 15:23:06 | Nico_P | JdGordon: not done much on rockbox... i'm on a project in CaML |
| 15:23:06 | d47 | =/ |
| 15:23:13 | GodEaterWeb | ALT+blahblahblah ? |
| 15:23:21 | Mikachu | not exactly, linux here |
| 15:23:25 | GodEaterWeb | or are you claiming an actual button on your keyboard ;) |
| 15:23:31 | d47 | i dont think we even have a single fibre optic line in australia =/ |
| 15:23:38 | Mikachu | a key sequence |
| 15:23:41 | GodEaterWeb | ah |
| 15:23:43 | GodEaterWeb | compose |
| 15:23:45 | d47 | max net you can get in aus is 24mbps |
| 15:24:03 | Mikachu | altgr+= @ @ |
| 15:24:12 | d47 | max was 1.5 a month ago |
| 15:24:24 | GodEaterWeb | Ë <−− that's what I get from that key sequence |
| 15:24:31 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:24:32 | GodEaterWeb | or is there a space there too ? |
| 15:24:46 | daurn | [00:54:09] <daurn> hey |
| 15:24:46 | daurn | [00:54:17] <daurn> 60gb 1.8" drives annouced |
| 15:24:46 | daurn | [00:54:24] <daurn> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=seagate-ships-lyrion-the-industrys-most-intelligent-and-evolved-1.8-inch-hd&vgnextoid=0792001bd6eff010VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD |
| 15:24:46 | daurn | [00:54:39] <daurn> (single platter) |
| 15:24:48 | daurn | arg |
| 15:24:51 | daurn | wrong paste |
| 15:24:52 | daurn | sorry |
| 15:25:18 | daurn | â |
| 15:25:32 | GodEaterWeb | that was still a paste though ;) |
| 15:25:45 | daurn | ? |
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| 15:29:42 | GodEaterWeb | â |
| 15:30:02 | GodEaterWeb | seems the only way I can get it is from a paste - I wonder how you work out the correct key sequence for it |
| 15:30:11 | * | GodEaterWeb wanders wildy offtopic |
| 15:30:16 | Mikachu | the unicode codepoint is 221e |
| 15:30:27 | GodEaterWeb | yeah I see that |
| 15:30:36 | GodEaterWeb | I just can't work out how that helps with a compose sequence |
| 15:30:37 | Mikachu | try alt+8734 then |
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| 15:30:46 | Mikachu | oh okay, you're not on windows |
| 15:30:47 | GodEaterWeb | does that trick work in linux ? |
| 15:30:52 | GodEaterWeb | no I'm not ;) |
| 15:31:04 | Mikachu | if you use urxvt you can press ctrl-shift+221e |
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| 15:31:21 | Mikachu | you can add compose sequences in ~/.XCompose |
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| 15:31:30 | GodEaterWeb | ah - that's how it's done |
| 15:31:32 | Mikachu | <Multi_key> <at> <at> : "â" |
| 15:31:52 | GodEaterWeb | and all xlib clients then pick it up (eg. firefox) ? |
| 15:32:05 | Mikachu | put include "%L" on the first line to keep the standard ones |
| 15:32:16 | Mikachu | they should, but gtk+ tends to ignore standards |
| 15:32:25 | GodEaterWeb | nice of the gtk+ guys |
| 15:32:47 | daurn | ?????????????¤????ĥ§?????????? !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ĤÇüéâäàċçêëèïîìÄĊÉĉĈôöòûù˙ÖÜĝ£Ĝ×áíóúñÑŞşżĴ½ĵĦĞğĤĤĤĤĤÁÂÀİĤĤ++˘++−−+-+++−−Ĥ-+¤ÊËÈiÍÎÏ++Ĥ_ĤÌŻÓßÔÒġĠµŝŜÛÙÙŭŬŻ´ħ=ĥ§÷¸°¨·ı³²Ĥ |
| 15:32:50 | GodEaterWeb | that "we know better" attitude is annoying |
| 15:32:57 | Mikachu | i think if you run with GTK_IM_MODULE=xim firefox it might work |
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| 15:34:12 | Mikachu | otherwise gtk uses an internal compose table for whatever reason |
| 15:34:53 | pondlife | Sorry couldn't resist trying it... |
| 15:35:02 | GodEaterWeb | editable in some obscure part of gtkconf somewhere no doubt |
| 15:35:14 | * | pondlife pastes wrongly too, ignore him |
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| 15:39:04 | GodEaterWeb | ha - gtk isn't even consistent with itself! According to a quick google "Compose+8+8" should do â - but it doesn't you just get [[ |
| 15:40:12 | muesli__ | how can i understand the topic? is that an url? |
| 15:40:25 | Mikachu | it's a command |
| 15:40:33 | muesli__ | ah ok |
| 15:40:58 | muesli__ | are there no updates on rockbox.org anymore? |
| 15:41:41 | LinusN | there will be, we are working on it |
| 15:42:02 | muesli__ | oki...just curious.. |
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| 15:43:25 | Bagder | "still in progress" actually means that the transition is still in progress |
| 15:44:09 | muesli__ | well..i just look around every 5days..thus im not uptodate and what it means ;) |
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| 15:53:50 | GodEaterWeb | I'm beginning to see a need for "Idiot's guide to the command prompt" somewhere in the wiki |
| 15:54:03 | GodEaterWeb | or perhaps that's harsh |
| 15:54:12 | GodEaterWeb | maybe "Youngster's guide to the command prompt" |
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| 15:54:48 | GodEaterWeb | Febs: hehe - beat you ;) |
| 15:55:28 | Febs | You had an entire conversation with him while I was typing. |
| 15:55:38 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:55:38 | JdGordon | does anyone know about kdevelop3 projects files? specifically, does the function/variable databse (or whatever it uses) get updated each time it is opened? |
| 15:56:23 | Febs | Use of the command prompt does seem to be a dying art. |
| 15:57:13 | GodEaterWeb | I think it's already dead. Clearly it's not taught any more. |
| 15:57:19 | daven | Indeed. |
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| 15:57:46 | LinusN | brain usage in general is a dying art |
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| 15:58:09 | GodEaterWeb | Febs: He still needed telling off for the subject of his post though. It was pretty piss poor. |
| 15:58:56 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/ams-nda.txt <= if more are interested |
| 15:59:30 | Febs | GodEaterWeb: I beat you that time. |
| 15:59:34 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder - you couldn't post it in the wiki somewhere could you - for some reason our proxy thinks your web page is something to do with hacking and doesn't let me read it :( |
| 15:59:46 | Bagder | haha |
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| 16:00:03 | * | JdGordon loves laywer speak |
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| 16:00:18 | Bagder | then try www.contactor.se/~dast/nda.txt for the same text |
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| 16:01:40 | GodEaterWeb | cue CGI IRC dumping me just as you post the link |
| 16:02:02 | GodEaterWeb | christ - that's full on legalese |
| 16:02:23 | LinusN | yess, and haxx.se is full of illegalese :-) |
| 16:02:27 | Febs | That's poor legal writing. |
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| 16:04:35 | GodEaterWeb | amazingly, when using the command prompt in windows the "HELP" command is still quite useful |
| 16:04:43 | GodEaterWeb | it's a wonder more people don't think to type it |
| 16:05:11 | JdGordon | help in bash seems helpful also :p |
| 16:06:00 | * | GodEaterWeb thinks we should make some modification to the forum software. As soon as the input field detects someone typing "Rockbox Error : -1", their web browser should take them to some garish page with a flash animation of a siren (complete with sound) accusing them of idiocy and not having read the manual properly. |
| 16:07:26 | * | LinusN needs to replace the -1 with "file not found" |
| 16:07:29 | d47 | maybe instead of printing just "-1" you should direct the user to helpfull text |
| 16:07:34 | d47 | lol |
| 16:07:50 | d47 | or just fuile not found >.> |
| 16:08:46 | GodEaterWeb | "Can't find rockbox firmware. Did you read the manual properly?" |
| 16:09:08 | d47 | "please refer to the manual." |
| 16:09:14 | LinusN | "please activate brain" |
| 16:09:18 | GodEaterWeb | "RTFM" |
| 16:09:22 | d47 | "insert pin" |
| 16:09:49 | Bagder | ./buildmaster.pl runs... |
| 16:09:54 | LinusN | woooooooo |
| 16:10:05 | GodEaterWeb | is that the build server script ? |
| 16:10:06 | preglow | you've gotta love ndas |
| 16:10:16 | Bagder | GodEater_: yeah, the master build script |
| 16:10:50 | dan_a | preglow: No you don't! |
| 16:11:03 | GodEaterWeb | is there somewhere on the wiki that's a quick guide to creating a buildserver - I did volunteer my home box but then never got instructions on what to do with it |
| 16:11:34 | GodEaterWeb | or is that included in the svn checkout ? |
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| 16:12:04 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer |
| 16:12:11 | Bagder | not updated for svn just yet |
| 16:12:12 | GodEaterWeb | thanks |
| 16:12:21 | preglow | as is apparent from the name :> |
| 16:12:24 | GodEaterWeb | I'll try to work my way round the cvs stuff ;) |
| 16:13:31 | Bagder | it seems to build... |
| 16:13:34 | d47 | "preferably 2mbit or better network connection" upstream?/downstream? |
| 16:13:45 | Bagder | both |
| 16:13:54 | d47 | =( ok |
| 16:13:56 | GodEaterWeb | only have 576 upstream |
| 16:14:01 | Bagder | but really, network speed is not the crucial part |
| 16:14:11 | Bagder | as long as you have a fast machine it helps |
| 16:14:23 | d47 | australia hasnt got any plan above 256kbps upstream |
| 16:14:30 | GodEaterWeb | but I'll put this in tonight anyway |
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| 16:14:38 | Bagder | but the build servers do upload the cvs zip files |
| 16:14:43 | JdGordon | d47: ??? dsl+ is all above that, only cable is that slow |
| 16:14:50 | Bagder | so there are some ~1MB files getting sent to the master server |
| 16:14:56 | d47 | jdgordon: unfortunatly not |
| 16:15:21 | JdGordon | d47: im in melb... dsl2+ is supposedly 24/8mbit |
| 16:15:33 | GodEaterWeb | nice |
| 16:15:40 | * | JdGordon kicks his optus cable connection |
| 16:15:45 | d47 | http://my.bigpond.com/internetplans/broadband/adsl/plans/ |
| 16:15:52 | d47 | the max up is 384 |
| 16:16:15 | Bagder | wooo |
| 16:16:21 | Bagder | 391 all done. |
| 16:16:50 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder - can you email me the rbclient key? |
| 16:16:54 | JdGordon | hmm... me was confussled |
| 16:17:10 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: certainly |
| 16:17:17 | Juice^ | d47: and they're all with a max traffic limit aswell? |
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| 16:17:36 | d47 | juice yer |
| 16:17:50 | d47 | liberty is slowed at 12gigs dl'd |
| 16:18:03 | GodEaterWeb | it'll be some hours before I get home to set it up of course - but at least I'll be prepared |
| 16:18:05 | Juice^ | d47: its so sad |
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| 16:18:18 | GodEaterWeb | I installed svn last night - and I've had ccache installed for ages (gentoo rules!) |
| 16:18:54 | Juice^ | d47: but if you live in a warm and nice country like aus you shouldnt care too much off stuff like this :p |
| 16:19:01 | Juice^ | grab your surfboard :)) |
| 16:19:14 | Bagder | 56 builds in 97 seconds (1mins 37secs) makes 1.7 seconds/build |
| 16:19:23 | Bagder | doesn't look right... |
| 16:19:28 | GodEaterWeb | that's a quick server! |
| 16:19:34 | d47 | juice: pfft, im afraid the sun will harm me in too many posible ways and any phisical activity will shatter my bones |
| 16:20:09 | Juice^ | d47: riiight ;) |
| 16:20:30 | d47 | juice: well... not really but you get what i mean |
| 16:20:58 | GodEaterWeb | d47 is obviously Mr. Glass from that film "Unbreakable" |
| 16:21:03 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: we like servers that have all compilers and sdl installed... (hint hint) |
| 16:21:19 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder - I promise I'll put them all on. |
| 16:21:25 | GodEaterWeb | I think I have SDL already too |
| 16:21:33 | GodEaterWeb | I just need the SH compiler |
| 16:21:43 | GodEaterWeb | think I have m68k from when I was playing with my H140 |
| 16:21:49 | Juice^ | d47: uhu... some friends of me celebrated new years eve and did some surfing before they left aus... for the next stop at fijii :o |
| 16:21:50 | GodEaterWeb | and I have arm now cos of the ipod |
| 16:22:03 | GodEaterWeb | they surfed all the way to fiji ? :) |
| 16:22:10 | GodEaterWeb | that's hardcore |
| 16:22:11 | d47 | lol |
| 16:22:15 | Juice^ | haha.. |
| 16:22:29 | GodEaterWeb | a helluva wave too |
| 16:22:37 | GodEaterWeb | surprised I didn't see that on the news |
| 16:22:53 | d47 | you did, it turned and hit new orleans |
| 16:22:57 | Juice^ | you didnt see it? |
| 16:23:10 | Bagder | it is scary, but I do have 22 zip files created... |
| 16:23:32 | LinusN | 0 bytes each :-) |
| 16:23:40 | Juice^ | Bagder: upgraded hardware? |
| 16:23:49 | GodEaterWeb | hahaha |
| 16:23:56 | Bagder | LinusN: they look fine from here... |
| 16:23:56 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: pessimist :) |
| 16:24:12 | LinusN | Bagder: scary indeed |
| 16:24:16 | JdGordon | Bagder: was make clean done bfore the runs? |
| 16:24:48 | Bagder | they always "rm -rf *" before builds |
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| 16:25:03 | Bagder | now I know |
| 16:25:05 | Bagder | the math is wrong |
| 16:26:35 | GodEaterWeb | ooh - I feel I ought to mention my box at home has a nightly cron job (at 2AM GMT I believe) to update from the gentoo mirrors - so it might be a tad busy at that time of night. Is that still ok ? |
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| 16:27:09 | Bagder | sure, it'll just get less work if the others run faster |
| 16:27:28 | GodEaterWeb | I could probably change it to once a week. Every night is a bit much really. |
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| 16:27:54 | Bagder | actually, it seems the build stuff works |
| 16:28:01 | Bagder | mostly at least |
| 16:28:21 | d47 | nightly cron job... try doing that with a 1.5 net >.> |
| 16:28:24 | * | markun hates azerty.. |
| 16:28:52 | GodEaterWeb | d47: up till 2 years ago I was doing it on a 1Mbit link. |
| 16:28:57 | GodEaterWeb | seemed ok to me |
| 16:29:19 | d47 | you went from 1mbit to duel 300mb? |
| 16:29:28 | GodEaterWeb | hahaha - no the dual 300 is at work ;) |
| 16:29:38 | GodEaterWeb | I have 8Mbit at home |
| 16:29:43 | d47 | oh ok gunna say |
| 16:29:51 | d47 | i woulda spooged right on the spot |
| 16:30:19 | GodEaterWeb | I wonder if I could convince my old friends at positive internet to host a build server... |
| 16:30:30 | GodEaterWeb | *their* network is sh!t hot |
| 16:30:53 | GodEaterWeb | they already host the UK mirror for debian |
| 16:32:33 | preglow | markun: azerty? |
| 16:33:38 | GodEaterWeb | preglow: french / belgian keybaord layout |
| 16:33:42 | GodEaterWeb | it's horrid |
| 16:33:44 | preglow | sweet lord, they have their own layout? |
| 16:33:51 | GodEaterWeb | lots of countries do |
| 16:34:02 | preglow | well sure, but few rearrange the keys |
| 16:34:05 | preglow | the basic ones, i mean |
| 16:34:13 | GodEaterWeb | trust the french :) |
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| 16:34:23 | preglow | i tend to disagree with that sentiment |
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| 16:35:22 | GodEaterWeb | IIRC the . and , keys are the "wrong" way round on a swedish keyboard |
| 16:35:35 | GodEaterWeb | haven't used one for about 10 years though - so I could be wrong |
| 16:35:36 | preglow | swedes are always drunk |
| 16:35:42 | LinusN | and c old |
| 16:35:43 | LinusN | cold |
| 16:35:46 | GodEaterWeb | hehehe |
| 16:35:55 | GodEaterWeb | they look wrapped up warm most of the time to me |
| 16:35:58 | preglow | i happen to be that too :/ |
| 16:36:02 | GodEaterWeb | except in summer |
| 16:36:10 | LinusN | preglow: always drunk and cold? |
| 16:36:17 | * | GodEaterWeb loved Stockholm in the summer. The girls...... |
| 16:36:23 | preglow | LinusN: right now, regretably only the latter |
| 16:36:26 | webguest72 | It would be nice if we could gather info on how to get started with reversing the Sansa e200 using IDA. |
| 16:36:29 | webguest72 | Something like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioReverseEngineering would be nice. |
| 16:36:31 | webguest72 | Like how to load the decrypted .mi4 into IDA etc.. |
| 16:38:16 | dan_a | webguest72: It's an ARM processor, and the entry point for the program is 0x0 |
| 16:38:53 | Bagder | ... if you cut the mi4 header |
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| 16:39:23 | webguest72 | dan_a: Do you know the load address of the mi4? Is is one large chunk ? |
| 16:40:55 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder: any rough idea on the traffic a build server gets a day ? |
| 16:41:30 | Bagder | I have no idea |
| 16:41:31 | markun | preglow: yes, it's terrible, and it too me a while how to unlock the win xp keyboard layout changer (didn't even know that was possible) |
| 16:41:54 | preglow | oh, it is |
| 16:41:55 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: the primary data amount is the copying of the zip files (which is 22 out 56 builds now) |
| 16:41:57 | preglow | damned fine feature |
| 16:42:16 | * | bluebrother frequently switches between german and english layout on this machine |
| 16:42:18 | GodEaterWeb | avg. zip file size ? |
| 16:42:27 | GodEaterWeb | and number of times a day it's uploaded ? |
| 16:42:28 | Bagder | ~1MB |
| 16:42:33 | bluebrother | if only the damn windows would make that globally and not application specific |
| 16:42:47 | Bagder | 22 times per commit around, split on the various servers |
| 16:43:14 | Bagder | so if you're dead fast and unlucky, you can do 22 uploads per commit |
| 16:43:44 | Bagder | of course the server also 'svn up' for each commit, which sometimes can be some amount of data |
| 16:44:01 | GodEaterWeb | well - I doubt they'll give us an uber fast machine in terms of cpu - but we'll see |
| 16:44:09 | GodEaterWeb | they didn't say "No" which is always positive |
| 16:44:12 | GodEaterWeb | excuse the pun |
| 16:44:16 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:45:09 | dan_a | webguest72: Assuming you decrypt with -s to strip the mi4 header, it's one large chunk which gets loaded to 0x0 - but then memory gets remapped in the same way that the RB code does it |
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| 16:46:44 | GodEaterWeb | would there be room for a little positive logo under the sponsor bit if they donate something to us ? |
| 16:48:13 | GodEaterWeb | oddly enough they have a similar colour scheme to rockbox, just inverted. |
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| 16:58:24 | webguest72 | dan_a: I'm talking about the memory layout on the e200.. Typically flash is mapped to some address X (maybe address 0x0). When the device is started the bootloader have to decrypts firmware from flash to RAM. I'm wondering if you know this address? |
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| 16:59:21 | Bagder | webguest72: the encrypted mi4 is stored in the nand flash, the "hidden" partition |
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| 17:02:04 | webguest72 | bagder: right, but the mi4 does not actually run from nand flash? it have to be loaded into the DRAM (32 MB) first? |
| 17:02:31 | Bagder | it gets decryped to sdram |
| 17:02:34 | Bagder | decrypted |
| 17:02:37 | Bagder | by the bootloader |
| 17:05:51 | webguest72 | bagder: right.. so i'm just wondering what address the original firmware is loaded at in sdram.. because when reversing the firmware in IDA it's very nice to have it "loaded" at the correct address to follow absolute memory references to strings (etc) from code.. |
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| 17:06:31 | Bagder | the mi4 is put at address 0x0 in ram |
| 17:06:37 | Bagder | the decrypted image that is |
| 17:07:24 | webguest72 | badger: thanks |
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| 17:19:49 | amiconn | Bagder: I can confirm that my machine did 8 builds: 3 sims, 3 bootloaders and 2 targets. Obviously the build table script and the change table script are not yet updated... |
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| 18:02:20 | gopp | so no rockbox for iphone |
| 18:04:07 | linuxstb_ | Give me an iphone, and I'll port Rockbox. |
| 18:05:10 | lostlogic | it already runs OSX, does it need a port? |
| 18:05:21 | lostlogic | I'm more interestd in porting to the wide screen multitouch ipod video. |
| 18:06:58 | linuxstb_ | Or we could just finish the port to the current ipods... |
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| 18:08:58 | bluey- | lostlogic: yeah me too |
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| 18:09:03 | lostlogic | hmm... yes, I sup;ose |
| 18:09:30 | lostlogic | but the multitouch! (say I typing on my fingerworks touchstream) |
| 18:09:46 | lostlogic | (with the typos to prove it) |
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| 18:13:00 | Bohbohero | Hey all, hate to bother you guys, this is my first time installing rockbox on an ipod (4th gen Gray) I followed the instructions (i thought) and after installing the bootloader i got an error -1 (i didn't put the current build in the directory to start), after a couple reboots it gives me the error sadface www.apple.com/support/ipod and i can't seem to figure out how to force disk mode. Any help unbricking my ipod would be appreciated |
| 18:13:31 | Mikachu | press select+menu to reboot, then hold select+play to enter disk mode, i think |
| 18:14:38 | Bohbohero | i am doin that does it give a confirmation? It doesn't seem to be working for me. How long do you hold play select down? I am doing it right after reboot until i get the error and it doesn't seem to switch into disk mode |
| 18:15:06 | Mikachu | maybe it's select+left or select+right |
| 18:15:20 | linuxstb_ | No, it's SELECT+PLAY on 4g and later. |
| 18:16:01 | linuxstb_ | Press and hold it as early as you can after the reboot, and be careful not to move your fingers. You should see the screen change to a "do not disconnect" message within a coupld of seconds. |
| 18:16:30 | phrozen77 | good idea -> <linuxstb_> Or we could just finish the port to the current ipods... |
| 18:16:50 | linuxstb_ | phrozen77: Patches welcome :) |
| 18:16:55 | phrozen77 | heh |
| 18:17:03 | phrozen77 | i'd write one if i'd be able to |
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| 18:17:51 | Bohbohero | I hold select menu and after 4-5 sec i get the quick reset flashing lines thing i immediately press and hold SELECT and PLAY (Middle and Down) and it takes about 5-8 sec and then gives me the apple error splash screen |
| 18:17:51 | phrozen77 | linuxstb: where are you from? |
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| 18:19:09 | Bagder | amiconn: since the builds are now mastered from another host, I have to re-arrange how the build tables etc are made, so it'll take me a little while longer to get that stuff up |
| 18:19:35 | linuxstb_ | phrozen77: A small town in the middle of England. |
| 18:19:49 | phrozen77 | ah - so sending you my ipod wont make much sense :| |
| 18:20:35 | linuxstb_ | Why would you want to send me your ipod? |
| 18:20:45 | phrozen77 | so you could hack away at it? :P |
| 18:21:01 | linuxstb_ | It's OK, I have enough ipods. |
| 18:21:05 | phrozen77 | or do you own a 5.5g 80gb? |
| 18:21:25 | linuxstb_ | No, but I doubt I could help with that problem. |
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| 18:24:53 | Bohbohero | Linux do i need to have teh ipod connected through USB when i enter it into disk mode? |
| 18:25:06 | Bohbohero | I am trying to do it while its not connected |
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| 18:27:48 | linuxstb_ | Bohbohero: It always works for me when it's not connected. |
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| 18:28:52 | Bohbohero | so i should be holding select play right when i see the apple logo yes? |
| 18:29:53 | linuxstb_ | Yes, if not earlier. |
| 18:29:56 | toffe | markun : are you there ? |
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| 18:31:57 | toffe | I have something strange, I load the last build yesterday and the mpegplayer doesn't play anymore the movie elephant dream but plays another movie that it didn't plays before ?? |
| 18:32:16 | bluebrother | toffe, is your elephant m2v? |
| 18:32:21 | toffe | yes |
| 18:32:29 | bluebrother | mpegplayer changed, m2v isn't supported anymore. |
| 18:32:33 | toffe | it was working 2 weeks ago |
| 18:32:36 | toffe | ok |
| 18:32:42 | toffe | I missed some logs |
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| 18:32:54 | toffe | what extension now ? |
| 18:33:02 | bluebrother | download a new version from http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 18:33:29 | bluebrother | at least mpg, but I don't know what formats are exactly supported |
| 18:33:38 | bluebrother | s/formats/extensions/ |
| 18:33:39 | toffe | ok, I will try tonight |
| 18:34:15 | linuxstb_ | toffee: Read the PluginMpegplayer page - it's all explained there. |
| 18:34:28 | linuxstb_ | (and sorry about the extra e...) |
| 18:35:01 | toffe | I read it quickly yesterday, I missed something |
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| 18:37:15 | pixelma | Lear: I know you analysed these things before... I have a strange 192kbps mp3 here which rockbox sees as 112kbps mp2 but is plays correctly. All PC programs I tried read the bitrate correctly - any ideas what I could try to find out what's going on? |
| 18:37:21 | bluebrother | hmm, that ipodpatcher thing seems to cause confusion again and again. How about packing it up into the daily builds? |
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| 18:39:34 | bluebrother | hmm, has rockboy enough ressources left to play music simultaneously? |
| 18:39:59 | bluebrother | or is that task not possible? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6521 |
| 18:40:02 | Mikachu | i guess on ipods and gigabeats it might |
| 18:40:50 | Mikachu | i don't think anyone has planned to make rockboy use two threads, and gigabeats are pretty fast i hear |
| 18:41:23 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I guess it's possible on some targets. |
| 18:41:28 | Mikachu | maybe ram would be an issue on ipods |
| 18:41:50 | bluebrother | ok, so this task is at least possible |
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| 18:42:18 | LithiumTR | Howdy all |
| 18:42:41 | gopp | linuxstb k |
| 18:42:45 | gopp | what your address |
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| 18:42:55 | gopp | so I can send you a iphone |
| 18:43:08 | LithiumTR | Can I have one too, gopp? |
| 18:43:09 | Bohboheroed | Sorry Linux i keep getting booted from IRC for some reason |
| 18:43:18 | LithiumTR | Maybe with a free car too? |
| 18:43:19 | linuxstb_ | gopp: Just leave it in a brown envelope in the toilets at Kings Cross station. |
| 18:43:24 | gopp | only one for rockbox development team |
| 18:43:41 | gopp | LithiumTR you realy want to port rocbox sweet |
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| 18:43:56 | LithiumTR | Haha |
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| 18:44:00 | Bohboheroed | Okay so i got it to enter disk mode and it says "Ok to Disconnect" I connect it to PC and it changes to "Do not disconnect" it flashes for just a second on My Computer and then goes to the apple splash screen and disconnects and reboots |
| 18:44:32 | linuxstb_ | Do you have itunes installed? |
| 18:44:43 | Bohboheroed | no |
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| 18:44:58 | stevenm | Stupid question.. where is the SVN repo located? |
| 18:45:05 | linuxstb_ | Check the topic |
| 18:45:16 | stevenm | ok now i feel really stuid. thanks |
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| 18:45:54 | LithiumTR | stevenm, I share your pain - I ask obvious questions too |
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| 18:46:44 | gopp | I got one question if iphones runs osx |
| 18:46:50 | gopp | can it run many or most osx programs |
| 18:46:52 | gopp | in cocoa |
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| 18:46:59 | gopp | if it a intel cpu |
| 18:47:19 | Tman | I'm trying to install rockbox for the first time, on linux, and ipodpatcher is telling me that the device is not an ipod |
| 18:47:21 | linuxstb_ | Bohboheroed: I don't know, it always just works for me... |
| 18:47:28 | Bohboheroed | hell |
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| 18:47:36 | linuxstb_ | Tman: Use /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 |
| 18:47:43 | Tman | ahh :) |
| 18:47:44 | Tman | thanks |
| 18:47:49 | * | linuxstb_ can read minds |
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| 18:48:01 | Tman | probably a common brainfart |
| 18:48:10 | linuxstb_ | Tman: Out of curiousity, why did you think you needed to use /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 18:48:24 | linuxstb_ | Yes, lots of people seem to think that for some reason. |
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| 18:48:38 | LithiumTR | I did the same as Trman, linuxstb_, the manual seems to read that way |
| 18:48:51 | Tman | linuxstb: I just wasn't really thinking.. it was automounted and so I saw was device it was from mount |
| 18:49:10 | linuxstb_ | ipodpatcher −−scan would have told you the device as well. |
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| 18:49:43 | Tman | linuxstb: it was actuall sdb2 |
| 18:49:49 | Tman | +y |
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| 18:52:58 | preglow | amiconn: dunno if you read it, but the bishelf filter used for crossfeed isn't usable for treble/bass controls as is |
| 18:53:24 | preglow | lohaha |
| 18:53:34 | preglow | eh, wrong windows |
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| 18:55:07 | perl|work | eh why people keep asking about rockbox on iphone |
| 18:55:19 | perl|work | why would you need a rockbox on it on the 1st place |
| 18:57:14 | Tman | does rockbox support flac? |
| 18:57:21 | TheCollector | yes |
| 18:57:23 | linuxstb_ | Tman: Beautifully. |
| 18:57:35 | Tman | great =) |
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| 18:58:20 | Tman | can anyone recommend some linux ipod management tools? |
| 18:58:36 | LithiumTR | A terminal :P |
| 18:58:44 | Tman | lol |
| 18:58:51 | Tman | I'd like something that does pod/vidcasts |
| 18:59:08 | linuxstb_ | "cp" will happily copy podcasts... |
| 18:59:12 | Tman | -sigh- |
| 18:59:25 | Tman | automatically? :p |
| 18:59:40 | Mikachu | try freshmeat.net |
| 18:59:52 | Tman | yeah I'll look there |
| 18:59:55 | Mikachu | http://freshmeat.net/search?q=podcast |
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| 19:00:11 | timofonic | Hello |
| 19:00:22 | timofonic | Are there any work about rockbox for Nintendo DS? |
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| 19:00:45 | linuxstb_ | timofonic: No, but it sounds like a fun idea... |
| 19:01:09 | * | LithiumTR is away: Away! |
| 19:02:20 | timofonic | Yes, I said it some time ago to a rockbox dev |
| 19:02:54 | timofonic | Do can I make a donation for helping a dev get a DS? I can't donate all the necessary money but some of it |
| 19:02:54 | timofonic | like 20 euro |
| 19:03:08 | toffe | I think that if the Neo1973 from FIC had sound possibilties, it will be easier than Iphone to port rockbox : http://www.openmoko.com/ |
| 19:03:10 | timofonic | And maybe if publishing it online, others will donate for it too |
| 19:04:23 | muesli- | rockbox on iphone, that would be fun :) |
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| 19:04:43 | perl|work | why its fun? |
| 19:05:13 | muesli- | dunno..just the imagination |
| 19:05:22 | perl|work | i think a lot of people are really missing the point of rockbox |
| 19:05:42 | Mikachu | and of course the point is what you're using it for :) |
| 19:06:01 | SoulDeaD | what's the point, perl|work? |
| 19:06:01 | Tman | I don't see any potential for rockbox on an iphone myself.. stock looks excellent and you can develop on it while keeping the underlying OS anyway (so in other words, Doom can be ported to it :) ) |
| 19:06:22 | perl|work | Tman exactly, took my words |
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| 19:07:13 | amiconn | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6521 is not possible on any target with the current rockbox architecture |
| 19:07:40 | amiconn | Rockboy needs to grab the audio buffer. Gameboy roms can be up to 4MB |
| 19:07:47 | perl|work | SoulDeaD the point is to set some of the mp3 players free who are crippled with stock firmware but can offer much more |
| 19:08:13 | perl|work | i this case iphone offers tons more than rockbox with stock |
| 19:08:18 | SoulDeaD | that's why i use it :) |
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| 19:08:41 | Lear | pixelma: some strange data in front of the file. Rockbox doesn't try very hard to find a "good" frame to read the bitrate from. |
| 19:08:41 | SoulDeaD | and iphone is a phone, not a mp3 player.. |
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| 19:10:29 | bluebrother | amiconn, ok, then I'll close it. If the architecture ever changes someone can re-request this. |
| 19:10:35 | Cassandra | perl|work - not so sure about that. Apple'll doubtless cripple the playback in the same way they do for existing Ipods. |
| 19:11:04 | pixelma | Lear: while playing that file in the sim I got the output: "Warning: skipping 4 bytes of garbage" between ID3 info and header - would it be worth to look further? |
| 19:11:47 | Lear | Could be, yes. mp3check could perhaps fix it. |
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| 19:13:20 | perl|work | Cassandra unfotunately, iphone even in it's "crippled" form offers a lot more options than rockbox |
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| 19:13:55 | amiconn | preglow: Oh? What's the problem? Didn't you say first order filters are sufficient? |
| 19:14:00 | perl|work | plus what would you do with...erm...phone part? |
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| 19:14:13 | Cassandra | perl|work, well I'll reserve judgement until it's released myself. |
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| 19:15:29 | Galois | the free-ness of the software is a major option that no apple product will ever match |
| 19:15:39 | Cassandra | Certainly you'll have a lot more success phoning people with Iphone than Rockbox. |
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| 19:16:26 | Llorean | Is someone claiming the iPhone will offer more in the way of Audio options, or are they just lumping irrelevant features is as "things that make it better"? |
| 19:16:37 | * | Cassandra would actually quite like to port Rockbox to Iphone. |
| 19:16:53 | Cassandra | Whether an Open Source telephony product is possible, I'm not sure. |
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| 19:17:10 | thegeek | ofcourse it's possible |
| 19:17:15 | Cassandra | The phone companies don't like unauthorised software running on their handsets, apparently. |
| 19:17:16 | thegeek | ;P |
| 19:17:16 | Mikachu | isn't there a project for at least one phone going? |
| 19:17:19 | Mikachu | i forget the name though |
| 19:17:28 | Cassandra | thegeek, ok, practical then. |
| 19:17:33 | thegeek | ah yes;) |
| 19:17:33 | thegeek | hehe |
| 19:18:02 | thegeek | the fact that it runs os x (and thus is unix-based) is probably enough to kill a lot of need(incentive) for open-source |
| 19:18:02 | Cassandra | Mikachu, I believe I saw something, yes. |
| 19:18:21 | thegeek | hopefully it will be open enough to run your own stuff (I'm probably too optimistic) |
| 19:18:23 | Cassandra | Since we know nothing about the Iphone hardware platform yet, it's too early to say how difficult a Rockbox port would be. |
| 19:18:28 | thegeek | actually |
| 19:18:35 | Mikachu | might be this one http://sourceforge.net/projects/tui |
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| 19:18:37 | thegeek | it's supposed pp-based |
| 19:18:41 | Galois | Unix does not make up for open source. An open source platform is much more flexible than a mere unix-based platform. |
| 19:18:48 | thegeek | Galois: indeed |
| 19:18:56 | thegeek | my point is that if you can run your own stuff |
| 19:18:59 | Mikachu | (lucky me the second from top post on planet kernel mentioned it :) |
| 19:19:01 | thegeek | a lot of people will probably not care |
| 19:19:03 | Cassandra | thegeek, "it runs MacOSX" is pure marketting, I'm sure. It's no more MacOS than Windows CE is Windows. |
| 19:19:15 | thegeek | hmm |
| 19:19:15 | Cassandra | At least that'd be my bet. |
| 19:19:15 | thegeek | we'll see |
| 19:19:20 | thegeek | don't kill my dream;) |
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| 19:19:40 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:19:42 | thegeek | it might very well be a slimmed down version |
| 19:19:57 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a link for the disassembling tools for iPod firmware |
| 19:19:58 | perl|work | software part aside, it would be a scratch fest and has anybody ever tried to use phones with touch screens? |
| 19:20:04 | perl|work | its nightmate of sorts |
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| 19:20:19 | thegeek | apparently a lot of work went into that |
| 19:20:27 | thegeek | the only thing that sucks is no tactile feedback |
| 19:20:31 | Cassandra | There are disassembling tools? Try the Ipodlinux people. |
| 19:20:35 | thegeek | which really is pretty important |
| 19:20:37 | Galois | I believe the hardware will be decent. Certainly it is possible to make a touch screen far superior to the existing crappy touch screens. |
| 19:20:39 | Llorean | perl|work: It's supposed to have a sensor to disable the touch-aspect when it's near the face. |
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| 19:20:43 | thegeek | HardDisk_WP: ida pro |
| 19:20:46 | thegeek | it's not free |
| 19:20:56 | HardDisk_WP | thegeek, i heard from gnu tools for it |
| 19:21:06 | HardDisk_WP | but cant find anythin |
| 19:21:13 | thegeek | afaik ida pro is really superior |
| 19:21:20 | thegeek | might just be objdump? |
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| 19:22:09 | HardDisk_WP | thegeek, i dunno |
| 19:22:17 | toffe | check this http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/iPhone |
| 19:22:57 | toffe | the neo1973 seems to be a good target for rockbox, not expensive and open |
| 19:23:20 | thegeek | but why? |
| 19:23:24 | lowlight | odd that they crippled the iphone wifi...no over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine |
| 19:23:43 | lowlight | thought they would have learned from the zune |
| 19:23:52 | Cassandra | toffe, I'm not sure that's too meaningful. A lot of phones have quite similar featuresets. |
| 19:24:10 | thegeek | and that list is not that similar;P |
| 19:24:17 | Llorean | lowlight: I suspect that the WiFi features will expand with time. |
| 19:24:30 | Llorean | I see it more as a "let's see how little we can get away with giving them now." |
| 19:24:31 | toffe | Cassandra : yes but this one is use open source software |
| 19:24:43 | Llorean | Sadly in many cases people are just as happy with an un-cripple upgrade as a real upgrade. |
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| 19:26:00 | Cassandra | toffe, yes - I might be tempted to acquire one of those to examine the feasibility of porting Rockbox to a Smartphone. |
| 19:26:32 | lowlight | maybe...don't know why itunes isn't on the iphone itself...it is running osx |
| 19:26:42 | Cassandra | Depending on cost. |
| 19:27:27 | Cassandra | Hmm. $350. That may be too much. |
| 19:27:31 | Llorean | lowlight: They already tried iTunes on a phone, it didn't do as well as they hoped. |
| 19:27:35 | lowlight | someone just needs to figure out how to run homebrew software on it |
| 19:27:42 | timofonic | About rockbox on Nintendo DS... can I do a specific donation for it? I mean a bounty |
| 19:27:57 | timofonic | A Bounty for buying a Nintendo DS plus some flash cart to an interested developer |
| 19:28:08 | timofonic | Like SuperCard or M3 |
| 19:28:21 | Llorean | A Nintendo DS is a bit of a strange target for it. |
| 19:28:34 | lowlight | Llorean: that was pre-wifi |
| 19:28:34 | Mikachu | aren't there already things for nds that play mp3s and whatnot? |
| 19:28:46 | timofonic | Not too strange, it can work as a great media player |
| 19:28:56 | Cassandra | timofonic, I have a DS. I'm vaguely considering getting a NinjaDS and playing. |
| 19:29:04 | timofonic | Mikachu: Yes, but not supporting the number of audio formats of rockbox |
| 19:29:09 | Cassandra | I'm not hugely experienced on the hardware side though. |
| 19:29:20 | Cassandra | Also I have a short attention span. |
| 19:29:42 | timofonic | Well... it's possible to starting a NDS port bounty? Any interested dev? |
| 19:29:47 | Llorean | I would honestly skip the DS. Unless there's some way to improve the sound quality drastically, you can hear a lot of electronic noise. |
| 19:29:57 | Cassandra | Other than me? I have no idea. |
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| 19:30:12 | timofonic | Llorean: Are you sure of it? |
| 19:30:34 | timofonic | Llorean: Do you mean NDS has too noisy sound? |
| 19:30:38 | Llorean | Sure of what? The noise? Certainly, I've experienced it with three DSes, though it seems to be reduced (but not gone) on the Lite. |
| 19:30:54 | timofonic | On the Lite? It looks it |
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| 19:31:04 | Llorean | Looks what? |
| 19:31:06 | timofonic | I must check that a bit more |
| 19:31:16 | timofonic | I didn't hear noise on the NDS Lite of a friend |
| 19:31:49 | * | Cassandra hasn't heard noise on my Lite. |
| 19:31:56 | lowlight | this almost looks like a rebadged sansa http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/01/polaroid-mpa20011-microsd-flash-player-surprisingly-cool.php |
| 19:32:29 | Llorean | Cassandra: It's horrible on the original DSes, on the Lites I've only noticed it a few times with specific headphones. |
| 19:32:49 | Llorean | And of course you can't hear it at all with the builtin speakers. |
| 19:32:49 | * | Cassandra only has decent headphones. |
| 19:33:07 | Cassandra | (Well, I have a pair of standard Ipod phones too, but I've never used them.) |
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| 19:33:54 | lowlight | lookie here: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2377 |
| 19:34:03 | lowlight | intel inside |
| 19:34:27 | Llorean | Either way, I'm not really a fan of Rockbox-as-an-app ports anyway, I think. |
| 19:34:31 | timofonic | Llorean: Do you have Grado headphones? Hehe |
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| 19:35:05 | timofonic | Llorean: It seems you are a bit audiophile, probably using lossless audio formats |
| 19:35:58 | Cassandra | lowlight, I love how the Apple hype machine works. |
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| 19:36:04 | Llorean | timofonic: No, I use lossy formats. |
| 19:36:11 | timofonic | Llorean: ok |
| 19:36:15 | Llorean | But I also listen to quite audio in quiet places. |
| 19:36:29 | Llorean | On the DS classic, the noise overwhelmet the audio with in-ear phones. It was very, very bad. |
| 19:36:33 | Cassandra | Again I'd lay money that that's an Intel embedded chip which isn't even x86 instruction set. |
| 19:36:39 | Llorean | On the DS lite, it's not nearly as bad, but it's still a concern. |
| 19:36:52 | preglow | amiconn: first order filters in general are sufficient, it seems, but i need to make one tweaked for the purpose |
| 19:37:16 | Cassandra | Apple really aren't half as cool as they make out. |
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| 19:37:55 | petur | the gui and usage looked nice tho |
| 19:37:58 | Cassandra | But they have this entire industry drooling over rumours. |
| 19:38:09 | timofonic | Cassandra: I doubt it, porting MacOS X to ARM could be a pain in the ass for the company |
| 19:38:32 | Cassandra | They announce a smartphone, and manage to get everyone to go .... ooh, ooh, it's so revolutionary. |
| 19:38:35 | preglow | it's probably mostly c/c++/cobj anyway |
| 19:38:41 | Febs | I found this thread was amusing in light of the discussion earlier today about the lost art of the command line: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8103.0 |
| 19:38:52 | timofonic | Cassandra: It was more probably being an PowerPC chip than ARM, ARM is not power enough for that beast and even less because the effort of porting MacOS X to another platform is HUGE |
| 19:38:54 | Cassandra | timofonic, I'm pretty sure Intel have non-ARM embedded chips. |
| 19:39:11 | timofonic | preglow: MacOS X port to X86 took years |
| 19:39:29 | timofonic | Cassandra: Yes, i think they have X86 ones |
| 19:39:57 | Cassandra | timofonic, but it won't be MacOS. It'll be a stripped down API compatible OS of its own. |
| 19:40:05 | Llorean | timofonic: You also make the assumption that it's full OSX. |
| 19:40:14 | timofonic | Cassandra: Even intes has a license for producing PowerPC, it's more probably to using a PowerPC instead ARM |
| 19:40:17 | Cassandra | Think a Windows CE equivalent. |
| 19:40:33 | preglow | timofonic: i doubt all that time was development time |
| 19:40:36 | Llorean | Regardless, speculation is *pointless* |
| 19:40:42 | timofonic | Llorean: Not, but I see more probable they use X86 or PowerPC |
| 19:40:49 | Cassandra | timofonic, I'm pretty sure Intel have in-house embedded silicon. |
| 19:40:52 | Llorean | timofonic: Based on nothing but your own beliefs. |
| 19:40:54 | timofonic | Llorean: it can be funny ;) |
| 19:40:54 | GodEater | Febs: yeah - made me roll my eyes too |
| 19:41:29 | Llorean | Seriously, the internals of the phone could really be anything at this point. Same with the operating system. |
| 19:41:50 | GodEater | do we think that link I posted earlier that said it was an ARM is a fib then ? |
| 19:41:51 | timofonic | Llorean: I hope guys hack it and install Linux on it, hehe |
| 19:41:58 | Cassandra | I do wonder what's going to happen to Rockbox in the days of the convergent device. |
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| 19:42:12 | lowlight | isn't osx kernel based on freebsd |
| 19:42:18 | Llorean | GodEater: Not necessarily a Fib, but there's no guarantee they were properly informed. |
| 19:42:19 | timofonic | Cassandra: Yep, that can be a problem for Rockbox |
| 19:42:28 | GodEater | Llorean: true |
| 19:42:34 | Cassandra | Will we be able to make the leap to a fully fledged embedded OS with an emphasis on media IO? |
| 19:42:43 | Cassandra | Will we even want to? |
| 19:42:43 | timofonic | lowlight: Not exacttly |
| 19:42:48 | GodEater | Cassandra, why would we ? |
| 19:42:58 | GodEater | if the devices offer a decent enough OS, we wouldn't have to |
| 19:42:59 | timofonic | logbot: Darwin is based in Mach microkernel mainly |
| 19:43:05 | GodEater | we'd just write a "media player" app |
| 19:43:10 | Llorean | Cassandra: I don't know if we need to. On a full fledged embedded OS, Rockbox can move to application, an enhanced version of the simulator. |
| 19:43:19 | GodEater | Llorean: snap :) |
| 19:43:24 | Cassandra | GodEater, because if Rockbox remains as is it'll only be worth running on historical devices in a couple of years. |
| 19:43:38 | Cassandra | Convergence is where it's at in portable devices. |
| 19:43:42 | Llorean | But at the same time, I'm not sure if Convergence is going to last. |
| 19:43:42 | timofonic | GodEater: Then Rockbox in the future will be a media player app for portable devices? |
| 19:43:54 | GodEater | timofonic: it's possible |
| 19:43:58 | GodEater | but who knows ? |
| 19:44:01 | Cassandra | In five years time, we'll all be carrying one device that's a phone, pda, mp3 player and games console. |
| 19:44:14 | Llorean | It's popular right now, but I think some convergence is bad. I still really don't like mixing my media device with my phone. |
| 19:44:15 | * | amiconn shrugs |
| 19:44:18 | Cassandra | It's part of why I'm interested in ports to the Nintendo DS and smartphones. |
| 19:44:28 | timofonic | logbot: Darwin is built around XNU, a hybrid kernel that combines the Mach 3 microkernel, various elements of FreeBSD 5 (including the process model, network stack, and virtual file system), and an object-oriented device driver API called I/O Kit. [1] |
| 19:44:30 | Llorean | I want my entertainment to be separate from my duty, in terms of hardware and battery life. |
| 19:44:32 | GodEater | I'm not really interested in convergence myself |
| 19:44:35 | timofonic | ( from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)#Design ) |
| 19:44:39 | GodEater | I want a device that's good at it's job |
| 19:44:43 | GodEater | not sucky at lots of them |
| 19:44:46 | Cassandra | amiconn, and a lot of people won't care. |
| 19:44:46 | Llorean | So, Phone/PDA/Camera? and then a separate MediaPlayer |
| 19:45:00 | Cassandra | But I'd still like to be running Rockbox on whatever I have in my pocket then. |
| 19:45:03 | Cassandra | So I do. |
| 19:45:21 | preglow | i just want a dap |
| 19:45:45 | Llorean | I'm hoping that if I take care of it I'll still be using my H120 in 5 years. |
| 19:45:57 | Llorean | Well, H180+ by then, but still. |
| 19:45:59 | Cassandra | I want a DAP and a phone and a PDA and a GPS. If it also plays games, I won't be unhappy. |
| 19:46:01 | Mikachu | cameras in phones is stupid too, you want small phones, but cameras with good optics |
| 19:46:14 | timofonic | Cassandra: But Rockbox must evolve a lot then and becoming a serious competitor to those players found in those jack of all trades devices (probably it will be easy) |
| 19:46:21 | Cassandra | Yeah, I suppose it can have a camera too, if it must. |
| 19:46:25 | timofonic | Cassandra: ScummVM :D__ |
| 19:46:29 | Llorean | Mikachu: I actually have more use for a "relatively crappy camera, that isn't separate" than a real camera. |
| 19:46:40 | Cassandra | timofonic, killer app for me, yeah. ;) |
| 19:46:48 | Mikachu | i guess, but people will still want real cameras |
| 19:46:52 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 19:46:59 | Llorean | And I think good cameras will always be a product. |
| 19:47:06 | GodEater | yeah - the macro mode on phone cameras is dire |
| 19:47:14 | Cassandra | Mikachu, true, but not I think seperate MP3 players. |
| 19:47:21 | amiconn | The problem is that all phone manufacturers seem to think that the crappy camera addon is a must :( |
| 19:47:21 | GodEater | although otherwise I can't complain about the camera on my N73 |
| 19:47:23 | GodEater | it's very nice |
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| 19:47:39 | Cassandra | Once solid state hard drives take off, there'll be no reason not to play MP3s on your phone. |
| 19:47:49 | Cassandra | (Other than "Rockbox doesn't run on it") |
| 19:47:52 | Llorean | Cassandra: For me, battery life still. |
| 19:47:54 | amiconn | I'd rather want a phone without such crap, which is smaller than today's phones |
| 19:48:13 | lowlight | timofonic: just meant that it might not be difficult to port the kernel to arm processor. I would guess the gui is all new for the iphone. |
| 19:48:22 | Llorean | I've often got several days where I can't charge a device, and I'd rather not have to extremely temper my music listening just to be sure of phone availability in an emergency or if I just want it. |
| 19:48:23 | Cassandra | amiconn: I find my Motorola V3 to be a very sensible size for a phone. |
| 19:48:33 | Cassandra | I'd be happy with anything in that form factor. |
| 19:48:44 | Cassandra | Anything smaller and the keys etc are hard to reach. |
| 19:48:50 | Cassandra | erm, press. |
| 19:48:54 | GodEater | the PEBL isn't bad either |
| 19:49:02 | timofonic | lowlight: I doubt they were ported Darwin to another architecture, quite probably is X86 |
| 19:49:02 | amiconn | I liked my SonyEriccson T600 more than any newer phone I saw |
| 19:49:05 | GodEater | in terms of form factor that is |
| 19:49:16 | * | GodEater likes Nokia's running Symbian OS |
| 19:49:49 | Llorean | amiconn: The T600 is basically my ideal form factor for a phone. Well, the T616, but if I recall they were similar. |
| 19:50:00 | * | timofonic is scared of Symbian OS, too buggy, but even more scared of Windows CE/Mobile |
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| 19:50:18 | Mikachu | i have a k310i, it's okay but the interface isn't completely thought through |
| 19:50:20 | GodEater | buggy ? |
| 19:50:22 | GodEater | in what way ? |
| 19:50:24 | Llorean | timofonic: Windows Mobile, the one running on the new HTC phones, actually isn't bad. |
| 19:50:32 | Cassandra | The software on the V3 is a pile of crap. |
| 19:50:34 | GodEater | never experienced a bug in it to be honest |
| 19:50:51 | timofonic | GodEater: Be Symbian OS my friend... it can fall or can crash... |
| 19:50:52 | Cassandra | It's still less crap than the SE Z600/T68i software though. |
| 19:51:09 | GodEater | it's never crashed on me *ever* |
| 19:51:13 | amiconn | Llorean: Not at all. |
| 19:51:16 | GodEater | and I've owned symbian phones for the last three years |
| 19:51:22 | timofonic | I've seen crashes on Symbian OS a lot |
| 19:51:32 | Cassandra | The V3 ranks as useable, kludgey crap. Which is about a notch or two below Rockbox. |
| 19:51:33 | amiconn | The T600 is _significantly_ smaller, has a monochrome screen and no crappy camera |
| 19:51:44 | amiconn | The only drawback was that it didn't support gprs |
| 19:51:46 | timofonic | I think Nokia will kill Symbian soon, Linux is getting more on phones |
| 19:52:00 | GodEater | timofonic: I disagree |
| 19:52:03 | preglow | gprs i wouldn't miss, |
| 19:52:03 | Cassandra | Rockbox ranks as "useable kludgey non-crap" for reference. |
| 19:52:09 | amiconn | Llorean: T616: 95 grams, T600: 60 grams |
| 19:52:10 | Llorean | amiconn: I was thinking of another phone apparently. |
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| 19:52:21 | Llorean | amiconn: I like my phones a bit bigger. I have giant hands. |
| 19:52:28 | timofonic | GodEater: Why? |
| 19:52:30 | amiconn | The T616 is heavier than my very first mobile phone... |
| 19:52:31 | * | Llorean likes the giant "duke" XBox controller |
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| 19:52:46 | GodEater | timofonic: I know a lot of people that work for both Nokia and Symbian - so I have inside knowledge :) |
| 19:52:49 | timofonic | GodEater: Are you a Symbian OS fanatic? :) |
| 19:53:01 | GodEater | I wouldn't call myself a fanatic. I do like it though. |
| 19:53:04 | timofonic | GodEater: I know people too, but that's different |
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| 19:53:23 | Cassandra | I also like flip phones. Proper "curves around the face" feeling, and big buttons, plus no dialing people by mistake. |
| 19:53:24 | timofonic | GodEater: I know people working on the Linux stuff for Nokia 770-800... |
| 19:53:44 | timofonic | GodEater: Maybe not soon, but in the long future it will be |
| 19:53:48 | Slasheri | i hope symbian gets killed too, it should never have been implemented |
| 19:53:49 | GodEater | I like the look of the new flip phone from nokia too |
| 19:53:59 | timofonic | GodEater: I see Nokia 770-800 a bit like a market experiment |
| 19:54:01 | GodEater | they're finally getting slim enough to be useable |
| 19:54:08 | Slasheri | it's the worst nightmare for a developer |
| 19:54:17 | timofonic | Slasheri: Yep |
| 19:54:23 | GodEater | ah well - I've never tried implementing anything for it |
| 19:54:26 | GodEater | so I wouldn't know ;) |
| 19:54:39 | amiconn | Llorean: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_t600-341.php |
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| 19:55:52 | GodEater | the next thing in phones is going to be GPS it seems |
| 19:56:33 | Llorean | amiconn: I was thinking of the similarity from the 637 back down to the 616. I thought it was 616->600, not 637->600. |
| 19:56:42 | Llorean | Err 637->616 |
| 19:56:46 | * | Llorean hates all these numbers |
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| 19:58:40 | Slasheri | hmm, can we still commit to cvs or is svn now the only way to go? |
| 19:58:55 | GodEater | svn only |
| 19:59:09 | GodEater | cvs commits were disabled last night |
| 19:59:24 | Slasheri | ok, nice |
| 19:59:42 | Slasheri | i should prepare for the svn then :) |
| 19:59:53 | GodEater | be an idea :) |
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| 20:02:53 | Febs | Speaking of convergent devices and buggy software, I upgraded my version of Agendus (calendaring program) on my Treo 650 today. It crashed while I was entering the registration key. That *can't* be a good sign. |
| 20:03:10 | GodEater | it doesn't inspire confidence certainly |
| 20:03:45 | * | GodEater rolls his eyes at the latest post in the sansa port thread on the forums |
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| 20:06:33 | Febs | GodEater: I just deleted that post. |
| 20:06:34 | * | Cassandra drops a mail to the 1973 people. |
| 20:06:46 | Febs | and PMed the poster with the solution to his problem. |
| 20:06:46 | Cassandra | Who seem to be calling themselves OpenMoko. |
| 20:06:52 | Cassandra | I suppose that means something to someone. |
| 20:07:05 | GodEater | Febs: lets hope he understands it =/ |
| 20:07:42 | Febs | I made it as clear as possible. |
| 20:07:52 | Cassandra | Fancy naming a phone after the year of my birth. |
| 20:07:55 | Cassandra | How did they know? |
| 20:08:02 | Febs | If he doesn't understand the PM, then he wouldn't have understood any responses within the thread anyway. |
| 20:08:19 | GodEater | yeah |
| 20:08:38 | Cassandra | If only it were possible to delete the posters too, eh? |
| 20:08:47 | GodEater | he's a little foolish installing a development build on a device he owns if he can't understand the language the instructions are in |
| 20:09:40 | Febs | We can delete the posters too, if we want to ... |
| 20:09:40 | GodEater | same year as my birth too |
| 20:09:52 | GodEater | I figure Cassandra means "delete from existence" |
| 20:09:56 | Febs | It's a power we try to use sparingly. ;) |
| 20:09:57 | GodEater | rather than just their accounts ;) |
| 20:10:39 | * | Cassandra nods. |
| 20:11:03 | GodEater | I'll have to watch out incase Febs ever decides to "send the boys round" then if he has that power :) |
| 20:11:04 | Cassandra | I'm a great believer in "you must be at least this smart to join the human race". |
| 20:11:19 | GodEater | yeah - take the safety labels off stuff |
| 20:11:26 | GodEater | it would raise the average IQ overnight |
| 20:11:36 | * | Cassandra needs to do more work on the installer. |
| 20:11:49 | * | Febs has a sudden urge to read the Darwin Awards web site. |
| 20:12:01 | GodEater | already read this years winners |
| 20:12:09 | GodEater | two people in Florida won |
| 20:12:14 | Cassandra | I got a bit disheartened by how obscenely complex it was to match a drive letter/filesystem location to a device. |
| 20:12:18 | GodEater | suffocated themselves laughing in a helium balloon |
| 20:12:35 | GodEater | or helium blimp I guess |
| 20:12:39 | Cassandra | I can only think that Microsoft made it difficult on purpose. |
| 20:12:51 | GodEater | they like giving people a challenge ;) |
| 20:13:38 | Cassandra | I mean seriously. If you have a handle that relates to a USB device, why can't you just ask it "so where in the filesystem do you live then"? |
| 20:13:58 | GodEater | you have to sacrifice a chicken first I imagine |
| 20:14:08 | GodEater | upside down, with your head wrapped in a tea towel |
| 20:14:40 | Cassandra | No, no, you must enumerate two completely different sets of entirely different things then compare arbitrary information from each until you get a match. |
| 20:14:50 | GodEater | like I said ;) |
| 20:14:54 | Cassandra | I haven't got it to work yet. |
| 20:15:04 | GodEater | this is in rbutil yes ? |
| 20:15:14 | Cassandra | And I'm losing the will to live just thinking about it. |
| 20:15:16 | Cassandra | Yes. |
| 20:15:39 | GodEater | if you can point me at the file with the code in it, I'll get a mate of mine to look if you like - he breathes MSVC |
| 20:16:58 | GodEater | and given he wrote the Rio equivalent of iTunes he's probably intimately familiar with the problem you're describing |
| 20:17:01 | amiconn | Cassandra: Of course it can't be simple. An usb msd can have multiple partitions. These partitions can be mounted as a drive letter (even as multiple driver letters), they can be mounted on an ntfs directory, or not mounted at all |
| 20:17:06 | Cassandra | Thanks, but it's not the C that's the problem, it's wrapping my head around what all the insane twisty maze of little structs all alike that MS store bits of seemingly meaningless yet terribly important information in are. |
| 20:17:28 | GodEater | I didn't just mean the C |
| 20:17:34 | GodEater | but if you change your mind - let me know ;) |
| 20:17:40 | Cassandra | GodEater, ta. |
| 20:17:42 | amiconn | The native device names should always work though |
| 20:18:07 | amiconn | ...on NT-based systems at least |
| 20:18:17 | Cassandra | amiconn: what do you mean by "native device names"? Currently I can't even find those. |
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| 20:19:39 | GodEater | careful you're not eaten by a grue while you're looking for it |
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| 20:20:28 | JoeyCape | anyone here? |
| 20:20:36 | Tman | isn't there a way to boot into the standard firmware with rockbox? |
| 20:20:57 | perl|work | Tman yes |
| 20:21:06 | JoeyCape | can anyone help me with this error "DIR BUFFER IS FULL!" and i can't seem to see most of my files which are in folders.. =( |
| 20:21:08 | Tman | what is it? ;) |
| 20:21:15 | perl|work | Tman what target? |
| 20:21:23 | Tman | whoops, iPod video |
| 20:21:30 | amiconn | Cassandra: I mean names like \Device\Harddisk0 etc |
| 20:21:40 | perl|work | Tman did you try the manual? |
| 20:21:49 | Cassandra | Ah yeah. |
| 20:21:56 | amiconn | Here's some vb code I found regarding these: http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/Tips/Mapping_NT_Device_Names/article.asp |
| 20:22:06 | Tman | perl|work: I've been reading it but haven't seen it |
| 20:22:14 | Cassandra | Oh, yeah, ... /Device/PhysicalDisk... |
| 20:22:27 | amiconn | dd for windows should have code for dealing with these names as well: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 20:22:53 | JoeyCape | can anyone help me with that question? |
| 20:23:02 | JoeyCape | sorry to be a bother to you guys |
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| 20:23:47 | perl|work | Tman http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-150002.6 |
| 20:23:58 | Mikachu | JoeyCape: there is a setting for that, it's set to 400 by default |
| 20:24:11 | JoeyCape | where can i look out for that? |
| 20:24:40 | Cassandra | amiconn: I've definitely played with those functions. The problem is that I can't map from them to the info I can get about a USB device either. |
| 20:24:52 | Cassandra | I may just be stupid. Who knows? |
| 20:25:02 | Tman | perl|work: oh I thought there was a way to do it without removing rockbox |
| 20:25:31 | JoeyCape | ok i found it!! |
| 20:25:39 | JoeyCape | thank you Mikachu! |
| 20:25:55 | GodEater | Tman - there is |
| 20:26:15 | Tman | GodEater: know what it is on ipod 5g? |
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| 20:26:30 | perl|work | Tman http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple |
| 20:26:48 | Tman | perl|work: thanks |
| 20:26:57 | perl|work | np |
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| 20:28:08 | shrizza | So... Is the freq scaling bug fixed yet? |
| 20:28:23 | JoeyCape | It still puts the same DIR BUFFER IS FULL error after i changed the max files in directory to 10000 |
| 20:28:36 | Mikachu | you have to reboot rockbox after changing it |
| 20:28:41 | Mikachu | i think |
| 20:28:46 | JoeyCape | i did and it changed back to 400 |
| 20:28:57 | Mikachu | how did you reboot? |
| 20:28:57 | JoeyCape | then i set it back to 10000 again and it didn't work |
| 20:28:59 | JoeyCape | lol |
| 20:29:19 | Mikachu | ? |
| 20:29:49 | JoeyCape | any ideas on how to? |
| 20:30:08 | JoeyCape | or issit because my ipod has only 723mb of space left? |
| 20:30:17 | Mikachu | you want to hold down play for a few seconds |
| 20:30:20 | Mikachu | then press menu to start again |
| 20:30:27 | JoeyCape | ok i'm tryin that now,, |
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| 20:30:51 | JoeyCape | wooopeee it works! |
| 20:30:51 | shrizza | Guess not. |
| 20:31:01 | JoeyCape | thanks a million Mikachu! |
| 20:31:11 | Mikachu | yw |
| 20:31:12 | JoeyCape | ok another question... |
| 20:31:13 | GodEater | why on earth have you a dir with 10000 files in it ? |
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| 20:31:31 | JoeyCape | can i create playlists in Winamp.. then just load the playlist from Rockbox? |
| 20:32:03 | JoeyCape | GodEater.. i have no idea.. i just set it to a high number so it wouldn't have that error again.. |
| 20:32:05 | Llorean | As long as the playlist points to either a filetree identical to the one on your player, or to the actual songs on the player |
| 20:32:47 | JoeyCape | i just installed Rockbox today (i'm so backdated hur.. i noe.. noob here) and i've been on it for more than 5 hours |
| 20:32:54 | JoeyCape | this thing really Rocks! |
| 20:33:54 | JoeyCape | the only thing i really don't quite understand is creating playlists using the ipod itself |
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| 20:44:43 | goffa | JoeyCape: what part are you having trouble with? |
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| 20:50:14 | * | dan_a now has part of an iriver H10 |
| 20:50:20 | Llorean | Part? |
| 20:50:39 | pixelma | that ebay offer? |
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| 20:51:07 | dan_a | I thought I was getting a whole one where someone had messed up the firmware. The battery is missing and I suspect that the 6GB drive is too. |
| 20:51:25 | dan_a | I missed out on the 12 faulty ones too - by seconds :( |
| 20:51:39 | * | dan_a curses ebay |
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| 21:01:36 | GodEater | lord - that post in the apple install forum is a prime example of a PEBKAC |
| 21:02:15 | Llorean | GodEater: The one who can't use a command prompt? |
| 21:02:41 | GodEater | yep |
| 21:03:14 | GodEater | who's twice been told to type DIR, and in the second time he was told to do it - he was even given explicit instructions on how to do it |
| 21:03:26 | GodEater | and who still insists it's "not a code to type" |
| 21:03:41 | petur | command prompts are soooo previous century ;) |
| 21:03:44 | * | petur ducks |
| 21:03:50 | Llorean | I love the modern excuse for logic. |
| 21:04:12 | Llorean | "I know less about this than you, so this supposition I've made on the limited knowledge I have must be more correct than what you've told me might be the cause." |
| 21:04:30 | GodEater | I love his underlined "the problem is the bootloader" |
| 21:04:38 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 21:04:43 | GodEater | "No - the problem lies between your ears" |
| 21:05:13 | * | dan_a goes to look |
| 21:05:15 | * | GodEater 's fingers are itching to reply too. I shall resist the temptation somehow. |
| 21:05:30 | GodEater | I'd just be mean to him |
| 21:06:36 | Llorean | I can only assume he got it working |
| 21:06:46 | Llorean | Because he then asked for help on how to install a theme. |
| 21:06:50 | Llorean | Elsewhere, at least. |
| 21:06:54 | GodEater | must have missed that one! |
| 21:07:06 | GodEater | isn't this a more recent post though ? |
| 21:07:12 | Llorean | Different thread, and he responded to himself with "Got it working" |
| 21:07:20 | GodEater | I love those |
| 21:07:23 | GodEater | so helpful to everyone else |
| 21:07:58 | Llorean | Nah, 1:54 was me telling him that you have to not only HAVE the files in the right place, but BE there too. 1:57 "Can't get themes working", 2:02 "Oops, yes I can" |
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| 21:08:17 | Llorean | Or, no, he still needs help |
| 21:08:20 | Tman | does anyone know if apple firmware has font antialiasing? |
| 21:08:40 | Llorean | Tman: It certainly looks like it |
| 21:08:44 | Llorean | Though it's probably faked |
| 21:08:58 | Tman | anything planned in rockbox? :p |
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| 21:10:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: It definitely looks fake to me, unless you've seen fonts on a non-white background... |
| 21:11:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: I haven't. I'm making the assumption that it is, but I won't say "It's faked" without confirmation. |
| 21:11:23 | linuxstb | Oh, go on. |
| 21:11:28 | linuxstb | "It's faked". |
| 21:11:31 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 21:11:32 | dan_a | Tman: I think devs have said in the past that it is not planned in Rockbox |
| 21:11:40 | Llorean | Well, I know you can change the font with IpodWizard, can't you? |
| 21:11:50 | linuxstb | I've never tried IPW. |
| 21:12:53 | * | Llorean wonders if his latest post was too harsh. |
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| 21:14:37 | dan_a | Llorean: Not IMHO |
| 21:14:49 | dan_a | (but then I'm in a bad mood) |
| 21:15:25 | linuxstb | We need a "command-line" registration process for the forums. |
| 21:15:58 | Febs | Hahahaha. |
| 21:16:30 | dan_a | You must type "wget http://forums.rockbox.org/I_Understand_Instructions.txt" to get registration confirmation |
| 21:17:16 | linuxstb | cd "Apple Installation" ; vi 103313.txt |
| 21:17:35 | Febs | We should ban the use of the word "it" in support requests. |
| 21:17:40 | * | linuxstb wonders how Cassandra is getting on with rbutil |
| 21:17:53 | dan_a | Erm, considering the company in the channel I probably should have used curl, not wget ;) |
| 21:18:01 | * | petur discovers tortoisesvn is much faster than cygwin svn |
| 21:18:04 | GodEater | she's busy sticking pins into an effigy of BillG I think |
| 21:18:31 | linuxstb | So can I tempt anyone to join me in an effort to port to the Archos AV320/340? 54Mhz arm7tdmi, DSP, MAS5387F (same as the Archos Recorders), 2.5" hard drive... |
| 21:19:10 | * | amiconn would be more interested in the 1xx |
| 21:19:18 | amiconn | The 3xx has too big a screen |
| 21:19:46 | goffa | not a complaint you normally hear |
| 21:19:56 | goffa | but valid nonetheless |
| 21:20:07 | preglow | depends to whom you're listening |
| 21:20:37 | linuxstb | What's inside the 1xx? |
| 21:20:40 | goffa | 2.5" drive would be nice in some way |
| 21:20:46 | Llorean | Apparently Admins get special privilege in regards to topic length in the forums... |
| 21:20:58 | goffa | i could get a HUGE drive :) |
| 21:21:07 | GodEater | Llorean: so they do :) |
| 21:21:16 | Llorean | I get 4 more characters, at least |
| 21:21:18 | amiconn | A big screen makes sense for a PMP, but not for a DAP |
| 21:21:26 | linuxstb | From archopen (about the AV1xx) - "Hardware is almost the same as for the Av3xx except for the BAT meter that uses the MAS and the LCD controller. " |
| 21:21:31 | preglow | linuxstb: didn't you already have some other port going on? |
| 21:21:38 | Llorean | The Elio? |
| 21:21:44 | preglow | that |
| 21:21:51 | linuxstb | Yes... |
| 21:21:53 | amiconn | and I don't need a PMP |
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| 21:23:34 | gps1mx | hi |
| 21:23:34 | gps1mx | somebody here? |
| 21:23:45 | dan_a | gps1mx: Lots of people |
| 21:23:53 | gps1mx | tancks dan_a |
| 21:24:01 | gps1mx | is my first time in irc |
| 21:24:11 | preglow | we'll be gentle |
| 21:24:24 | gps1mx | ok, thats nice |
| 21:24:45 | goffa | well.. with video support i could see the archos 3xx becoming a pmp |
| 21:24:54 | goffa | assuming it had a vid out on it |
| 21:25:07 | gps1mx | i have a question, about rockbox and ipods |
| 21:25:29 | linuxstb | goffa: Yes, It's sold as a video player... |
| 21:25:49 | gps1mx | some body tell me i can have a "dual boot" in a 30G video ipod, thats true? |
| 21:26:09 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 21:26:34 | linuxstb | You may want to read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 21:26:34 | gps1mx | oh my .....!!! i'm gonna install it now |
| 21:26:54 | GodEater | and the manual.... |
| 21:26:56 | linuxstb | Plus of course, the fine Rockbox manual - see the link on the left of every page of the website. |
| 21:27:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Except the tracker. |
| 21:27:21 | gps1mx | ok, you know if there a spanish manual? |
| 21:27:56 | gps1mx | english is not my native language |
| 21:28:00 | * | petur wonders why svn saved all the files with cr+lf |
| 21:28:06 | linuxstb | gps1mx: No, it's only in English.. |
| 21:28:21 | linuxstb | But Rockbox itself is in Spanish. |
| 21:28:37 | GodEater | amongst other languages |
| 21:28:39 | amiconn | petur: YOu checked out using tortoise? |
| 21:28:47 | petur | yes |
| 21:28:47 | gps1mx | mmmm, ok linuxstb, may be i can traslate it |
| 21:29:02 | gps1mx | you know if somebody is traslating it? |
| 21:29:18 | amiconn | Then that's the reason - the repo itself doesn't store the files as cr+lf |
| 21:29:45 | petur | I'm searching on the tortoisesvn site now... |
| 21:29:45 | amiconn | ...but a (pure) windows svn client will change the line endings on the fly during checkout |
| 21:30:00 | petur | tortoisecvs didn't |
| 21:30:02 | amiconn | (and change them the other way at commit) |
| 21:30:30 | petur | well ../tools/configure doesn't like it |
| 21:30:30 | amiconn | cvs clients should work the same way, but for some reason not always do so |
| 21:30:47 | amiconn | petur: Yes, because you're running it on cygwin, which is *nix-like |
| 21:31:31 | linuxstb | And I guess patches will have CR+LF as well? |
| 21:31:44 | amiconn | Either you find a way to tell tortoise to use unix line endings, or use the commandline svn client |
| 21:32:00 | gps1mx | you know if somebody is traslating the manual to spanish now? may be i can help |
| 21:32:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not sure about that |
| 21:32:13 | petur | urgh |
| 21:32:25 | amiconn | Surely not when using cygwin svn |
| 21:32:26 | Llorean | gps1mx: I don't believe anyone is translating it to any languages right now. |
| 21:33:11 | gps1mx | ok, tanks Llorean, i'm gonna try |
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| 21:33:52 | gps1mx | ok, thankyou all, i have to go |
| 21:34:01 | gps1mx | c u |
| 21:34:03 | petur | for the moment I get the feeling tortoisecvs was much better than tortoisesvn :( |
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| 21:34:25 | * | Llorean still just uses VMWare |
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| 21:35:18 | linuxstb | Is it related to the "svn:eol-style" attribute? Should we be setting that to "LF" ? |
| 21:36:23 | linuxstb | It looks like it's currently set to "native". |
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| 21:36:51 | GodEater | which will only help *nix users.... |
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| 21:37:07 | linuxstb | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html#svn-ch-7-sect-2.3.5 |
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| 21:38:16 | linuxstb | GodEater: Rockbox requires a unix-like environment to compile... IIUC, setting the eol-style to LF would ensure everyone checks out unix-style text files. This seems to be an SVN thing, not something tortoisesvn is doing oddly. |
| 21:38:28 | petur | linuxstb: reading it atm (svn:eol-style) |
| 21:38:36 | * | linuxstb has used SVN for about 20 hours, so is waiting for someone who knows to step up... |
| 21:38:41 | GodEater | yeah I realise that |
| 21:38:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: This is a per-file attribute |
| 21:39:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I understand that. |
| 21:39:11 | * | amiconn thinks setting it for every single text file wouldn't be wise |
| 21:39:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: Would that still hold true if it got working on MinGW again? |
| 21:39:43 | linuxstb | Isn't mingw still a "unix-like" environment? |
| 21:40:01 | Llorean | It's a unix-like, but I don't know how line-endings apply to it. |
| 21:40:49 | * | petur is setting LF on every file... maybe h should have only done it for /tools |
| 21:41:41 | petur | hahaha... now all my files are 'changed' |
| 21:41:44 | petur | crap |
| 21:41:52 | linuxstb | petur: Better not commit that... |
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| 21:41:55 | amiconn | cygwin can be set to use either unix or windows style line ends |
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| 21:42:20 | petur | linuxstb: they're LF now... |
| 21:42:24 | amiconn | I guess that using tortoise should work when cygwin is set to windows style |
| 21:42:38 | amiconn | (and you woul dhave everything as cr+lf locally) |
| 21:42:40 | petur | ah...no they're not :( |
| 21:42:44 | linuxstb | I can see patches causing problems though, if people are using native line-endings locally. |
| 21:43:11 | petur | amiconn: I'll try that... but will the scripts run? |
| 21:43:29 | amiconn | They should if cygwin is set properly |
| 21:43:43 | amiconn | I can't imagine what else this option would be good for |
| 21:45:05 | * | amiconn uses cmdline svn anyway, so no problem with sticking to lf |
| 21:45:34 | linuxstb | cmdline in cygwin? |
| 21:45:47 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:46:22 | davidsmind | does anyone here use the h10 20g-firmware? |
| 21:46:49 | Arathis | davidsmind: original or rockbox? |
| 21:46:53 | davidsmind | rockbox |
| 21:47:40 | Arathis | I do :) |
| 21:48:38 | davidsmind | My personal impression of it, from a day of playing around is that it is early-alpha. It crashed many times for me, like if a song were playing and I would choose another, it would hang. And the db would randomly need to be recreated. Was this a bad install or is stabllity just currently in to works |
| 21:49:04 | pixelma | Llorean: the forum search is broken again (tried right now and got a database error) :/ |
| 21:49:35 | Llorean | pixelma: Sadly, that's one of the types of errors I can't fix. |
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| 21:49:51 | Llorean | I believe LinusN has to do it. |
| 21:49:53 | pixelma | ah ok... just wanted to let you know |
| 21:50:04 | Arathis | davidsmind: That's really an unusual behaviour |
| 21:50:15 | Llorean | davidsmind: Firstly, Alpha/Beta/etc don't really apply in this situation. |
| 21:50:34 | Llorean | davidsmind: Secondly, what happened when it "crashed" and proper bug reports would actually help improve it. |
| 21:51:11 | davidsmind | I plan on it |
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| 21:51:17 | petur | ah... this works |
| 21:51:19 | davidsmind | most of my collection is ogg |
| 21:51:38 | davidsmind | so I want to get this up and running |
| 21:51:39 | petur | cygwin set to crlf and svn to native |
| 21:51:41 | Llorean | What do you mean by "crash" by the way? |
| 21:51:49 | petur | wonder what it 'll give on commit :) |
| 21:51:50 | Llorean | Data Abort, with a memory address? |
| 21:52:22 | davidsmind | The song that is currently playing stops playing and anotherone comes on, then the screen doesn't refresh and music doesn't play |
| 21:52:38 | davidsmind | leaving it for 15 minutes doesn't hepl |
| 21:52:39 | Llorean | That is not behaviour I've ever heard reported before. |
| 21:52:44 | davidsmind | really...hrmm |
| 21:52:48 | davidsmind | maybe I fucked the install up |
| 21:52:50 | Llorean | Are you using an official build? |
| 21:53:07 | davidsmind | ermm, just the daily from the 9th |
| 21:53:22 | Llorean | Well, that's official. As long as the file is from downloads.rockbox.org |
| 21:53:28 | davidsmind | yup |
| 21:53:38 | davidsmind | I'm also using a theme from the rockbox website |
| 21:53:46 | Arathis | And probably you should enable DB to RAM and HD caching. |
| 21:53:58 | davidsmind | You can't enable both... |
| 21:54:04 | davidsmind | it's one or the other isn't it? |
| 21:54:17 | Llorean | davidsmind: I think arathis means "dircache" |
| 21:54:21 | Arathis | And HD shutdown can cause problems if activated |
| 21:54:34 | davidsmind | I did not activate hd shutdown |
| 21:54:43 | davidsmind | dircache? where is that option |
| 21:54:50 | davidsmind | i'll give it another try |
| 21:55:02 | Llorean | Still, that's not ordinary behaviour, and none of those settings *should* make it more or less likely |
| 21:55:02 | Arathis | Llorean: yes, that's what I ment. Sorry, don't have english as rockbox language. |
| 21:55:30 | Llorean | Of course, other people could be experiencing it and just not reporting it here. |
| 21:55:46 | Llorean | There's a tendency for iRiver users to just complain about bugs at misticriver and never actually come to us with them. |
| 21:55:55 | davidsmind | heh |
| 21:56:08 | davidsmind | Well I want to double check my install |
| 21:56:24 | davidsmind | and then I will file a report |
| 21:56:37 | * | Llorean sees an interesting mail in the mailing list. |
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| 21:56:53 | DataGhost | hi :) |
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| 21:57:00 | Llorean | davidsmind: The database one and the playback one should be at least two separate reports. :) |
| 21:57:12 | davidsmind | yes, that's understandable |
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| 21:57:18 | DataGhost | <- 80GB owner prepared-to-test-anything reporting, fyi :) |
| 21:57:44 | GodEater | there's nothing to test |
| 21:57:45 | GodEater | it doesn't work |
| 21:57:47 | Llorean | DataGhost: It's rare that "testers" are needed in that context. In most cases people working on it have their own hardware to test on. |
| 21:57:49 | DataGhost | no, i said 'fyi' |
| 21:57:50 | DataGhost | :) |
| 21:57:54 | DataGhost | yeah Llorean |
| 21:58:06 | DataGhost | but I just heard there's someone in here with access to some hardware I don't have |
| 21:58:11 | dan_a | Llorean: Were you talking about the emulator mail? |
| 21:58:23 | GodEater | yeah - that emu looks interesting |
| 21:58:27 | Llorean | dan_a: Yeah |
| 21:58:30 | GodEater | I'm impressed he can run some RB code already |
| 21:58:48 | Llorean | dan_a: On the assumption that it ever gets around to booting the OF with debug output. |
| 21:58:58 | * | linuxstb mentioned LinusN's logic analyser in #ipodlinux |
| 21:59:14 | GodEater | linuxstb: has he got it hooked up yet ? |
| 21:59:17 | dan_a | I wonder how he did it - I want source code! |
| 21:59:23 | GodEater | I thought he was still buying connectors |
| 21:59:25 | Llorean | dan_a: He's offered it to anyone interested. |
| 21:59:45 | linuxstb | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0306.shtml (that's all I know) |
| 21:59:46 | * | GodEater notices his surname starts with H |
| 21:59:46 | Arathis | davidsmind: it shouldn't be any different, but I prefer to use the CVS builds isntead of the daily builds. You have the latest updates in there. But though there was no commit sind 01/08 as said there shouldn't be any difference |
| 21:59:59 | dan_a | Llorean: I'm just waiting for the mail to arrive in my inbox so I can reply to it |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:02 | BHSPitMonkey | s/CVS/SVN/ |
| 22:00:23 | Llorean | DataGhost: Many times people show up here interested in "testing" but really just hoping there's something new to try out that hasn't gotten 'released' yet. Really it's quite rare that testers are needed, since really the iPod version of Rockbox is a tester version. |
| 22:00:31 | GodEater | linuxstb: ah - yeah that's the last I heard too |
| 22:00:50 | * | GodEater shudders |
| 22:00:56 | GodEater | that's not a job I'd want to do :( |
| 22:01:09 | GodEater | how flash is his logic analyser ? |
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| 22:01:55 | Llorean | Oooh, Sansa Emulator guy is the same guy as Encoder Codecs interface guy? |
| 22:02:25 | linuxstb | Of course, I knew I recognised the name. |
| 22:02:51 | * | linuxstb likes surprises like that. |
| 22:02:56 | Llorean | That gave my confidence a little boost right there. |
| 22:03:15 | Juice^ | sansa emulator? |
| 22:03:36 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-01/0059.shtml |
| 22:04:37 | Juice^ | oh kool |
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| 22:06:39 | GodEater | Llorean: your sansa friend has reappeared in the forums |
| 22:07:56 | dan_a | Can I tell him to send it to me with a cheque for £100? |
| 22:08:20 | GodEater | sure ;-) |
| 22:11:07 | petur | amiconn, linuxstb: using cygwin configured to crlf and tortoisesvn as native (default) works ok. Shall now look for something to commit, but how to test it it went lf-only into svn? |
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| 22:12:09 | GodEater | I like your "try harder to turn it off" |
| 22:12:15 | GodEater | let's hope he stops short of using a hammer |
| 22:12:16 | Llorean | dan_a: You forgot to also mention the rockbox.e200 file. I edited that in before he came back with "it still doesn't work" |
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| 22:12:28 | dan_a | Llorean: Thank you! |
| 22:12:44 | w1ll14m | hmm i just tryed to let my ipod 5 g run on 111 MHz.... plays fine for 20 sec... then data abort... maybe it was to much :) |
| 22:12:44 | Llorean | petur: Test it on perhaps something in DOCS that won't break any compiles? |
| 22:12:55 | petur | heh |
| 22:13:31 | Llorean | dan_a: I'm not a fan of drive-by editing other peoples' posts, in general, but when it's an error that can trip a user up, I edit first, and give notice later. |
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| 22:14:11 | dan_a | Llorean: I'm perfectly happy with that - I trust your editing :D |
| 22:14:36 | dan_a | GodEater: On the Sansa, there is a hardware power off if you hold the power button for 15s. In the original firmware, it turns off using software after holding the button for about 5s. That confuses new users |
| 22:15:09 | GodEater | ah |
| 22:15:17 | dan_a | But if I thought I'd broken my £100 DAP, I'd hold down the power button for about a week before assuming it didn't work! |
| 22:15:31 | GodEater | a week? ;-) |
| 22:15:37 | GodEater | I think you'd get tired :) |
| 22:15:46 | Llorean | People panic at that -1 all the time |
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| 22:16:03 | Llorean | It's why the Ipod instructions were rearranged to put copying the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox over *first* rather than later. |
| 22:16:07 | GodEater | which bit of blighty do you hail from dan_a ? |
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| 22:16:27 | dan_a | GodEater: The Isle of Man |
| 22:16:39 | GodEater | bike fan ? :) |
| 22:16:42 | Llorean | Of course, now they just skip down to the "installing the bootloader" section of the manual, because they assume anything before it isn't important. |
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| 22:16:58 | dan_a | GodEater: How did you guess! |
| 22:17:06 | GodEater | a wild stab in the dark :) |
| 22:17:31 | linuxstb | petur: According to that page I linked, svn always stores text files in a canonical "LF" format. |
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| 22:17:54 | dan_a | Llorean: There was talk either earlier today or yesterday of changing the "-1" error message to something more friendly |
| 22:18:07 | GodEater | earlier today I believe |
| 22:18:11 | Llorean | dan_a: I think all the -X error messages could get some text. |
| 22:18:14 | GodEater | LinusN said so |
| 22:18:18 | linuxstb | I think that's a good idea. We need to be careful about LCD width though. |
| 22:18:20 | w1ll14m | ok, i think now is my ipod running at 108 MHz....... |
| 22:18:34 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 22:18:34 | Llorean | Or at the VERY least, an easy to find error message lookup in the manual |
| 22:18:40 | GodEater | isn't the native clock speed 75MHz ?! |
| 22:18:54 | w1ll14m | yes... i think so.... |
| 22:18:57 | GodEater | linuxstb: is there something stopping the error going over multiple lines ? |
| 22:19:00 | dan_a | It would probably be good for a "junior job" type task for someone wanting to start Rockbox coding |
| 22:19:08 | Llorean | GodEater: Older targets having less lines. |
| 22:19:11 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, the lcd_putsxy() function... |
| 22:19:15 | GodEater | dan_a: assuming they know what they all mean :) |
| 22:19:37 | GodEater | Llorean: yeah - I didn't envisage the message going over pages though :) |
| 22:19:50 | GodEater | a couple of lines should be enough, even if they're only like 30 chars wide |
| 22:20:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: It's not a big problem, just something to remember (and test). |
| 22:20:07 | linuxstb | (or count...) |
| 22:20:09 | GodEater | "rockbox firmware missing" for example |
| 22:20:10 | w1ll14m | goedeater: i use a nice theme + soft and hard eq, and decodeing mp3@320kbps and boost ratio is at 60% stable |
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| 22:20:42 | Llorean | w1ll14m: And your battery life suffers greatly. |
| 22:20:43 | w1ll14m | normal when using 75MHz its at 100% boost ratio |
| 22:20:56 | dan_a | w1ll14m: You do know you are overclocking it, don't you? |
| 22:21:01 | Llorean | Increasing the CPU speed doesn't really solve any problems, it's just a way of pretending they're not there. |
| 22:21:10 | GodEater | and warming your pockets up |
| 22:21:10 | w1ll14m | well.... it's way better than before.. because the buffer did not fill complete, so more disk usage |
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| 22:21:29 | w1ll14m | yeah that's true..... |
| 22:21:30 | linuxstb | The disk reading is in big need of optimising on the ipods... |
| 22:21:31 | GodEater | not a bad idea in winter ;) |
| 22:21:38 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Whether or not the compressed buffer fills completely should have nothing to do with the CPU speed. |
| 22:21:52 | Llorean | If it's not filling completely, there's a bug somewhere. |
| 22:22:13 | GodEater | *gasp* |
| 22:22:16 | w1ll14m | when using ata to fill buffer at the same time decoding 320 kbps mp3 and using soft+hardware eq... |
| 22:22:21 | GodEater | a bug?! In rockbox? |
| 22:22:25 | w1ll14m | when i press pause it fills |
| 22:22:39 | w1ll14m | and boost ratio was always 100% |
| 22:22:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think maybe if there's a Rockbox Error: -X", it could then wait 2 seconds, clear the screen, and type error text? |
| 22:23:01 | Llorean | Or even "Press key for more" and upon a button press, type error text. |
| 22:23:47 | dan_a | Or "Error: -X. See manual for details" |
| 22:23:49 | Llorean | w1ll14m: If it never unboosted, that meant that there wasn't enough CPU to do everything at once. The solution isn't "overclock" it's "optimize" |
| 22:23:55 | Llorean | dan_a: That too, even. |
| 22:24:20 | linuxstb | Or simply "rockbox.ipod not found" (for the common case). |
| 22:24:22 | w1ll14m | Llorean: I don't have anough knownledge to do it .... |
| 22:24:28 | w1ll14m | enough* |
| 22:24:42 | Llorean | w1ll14m: As well, if you're using that much EQ, you can probably get away with 192kbps or even 128kbps MP3 without being able to hear the difference. |
| 22:24:43 | GodEater | heh - those pesky ipod users again linuxstb |
| 22:25:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: rockbox.ipod not found, or rockbox.ipod corrupt for -5? |
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| 22:25:26 | w1ll14m | Llorean: true, but then ... i will have to convert about 28 GBytes..... |
| 22:25:41 | GodEater | don't think it's such a good idea to use the ".ipod" thing - there *are* other targets.... |
| 22:25:42 | Llorean | w1ll14m: And then they'll take up half the space, so you can hold twice as much music. |
| 22:25:53 | linuxstb | GodEater: I think we could adapt the message... |
| 22:25:58 | Llorean | GodEater: This is more just for discussion purposes. |
| 22:26:02 | GodEater | I think that would be a good plan :) |
| 22:26:02 | Llorean | Because "rockbox.target" sounds silly |
| 22:26:08 | GodEater | and would confuse users |
| 22:26:13 | w1ll14m | Llorean: ll try what my ipod is going to do, if it is stable and how long the battery lives..... |
| 22:26:16 | Llorean | I'm a little irritated that there's so much variance in the rockbox.blah files |
| 22:26:17 | GodEater | where do I download rockbox.target?!?! |
| 22:26:30 | * | petur just did his first svn commit |
| 22:26:33 | Mikachu | it wouldn't be very hard to make the error message depend on the target i think? |
| 22:26:46 | GodEater | probably not |
| 22:26:48 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Overclocking can also be bad for the hardware. Heat damages the battery and can cause processor failure. |
| 22:27:12 | linuxstb | The bootloader already knows the name of the file it can't find... |
| 22:27:25 | Llorean | rockbox.e200 (specific hardware), rockbox.iriver (brand), rockbox.h10 (hardware), rockbox.ipod (specific line) |
| 22:27:27 | w1ll14m | Llorean: I will take the risk :) |
| 22:27:37 | petur | can somebody using LF only check how docs/contributing went into svn? |
| 22:27:47 | w1ll14m | Llorean: in the first place i bought this ipod because i could put ipod linux on it ...... |
| 22:27:48 | Llorean | w1ll14m: So, you'd rather risk losing a $300 piece of hardware than spend two days converting files? |
| 22:27:55 | Mikachu | petur: it's listed as unix text here i thnk |
| 22:28:08 | linuxstb | petur: No, but I can check docs/CONTRIBUTING though... |
| 22:28:14 | GodEater | Llorean: that's a very good point actually |
| 22:28:21 | linuxstb | (and it's fine) |
| 22:28:25 | petur | my changed one? |
| 22:28:29 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 22:28:32 | w1ll14m | Llorean: It's unknown yet what overclocking would do to ipods |
| 22:28:33 | petur | phew |
| 22:28:54 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: it does the same as any other processor, it gets hotter and more unstable |
| 22:28:58 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Yes, it's also unnecessary to do it. |
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| 22:29:01 | * | petur goes over to the wiki to write about the configuration |
| 22:29:14 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: People have attempted overclocking on other ipods, and it's not reliable. |
| 22:29:17 | Llorean | There's no cause yet to overclock it, since we already know that there are other, better solutions to the problem. |
| 22:29:24 | linuxstb | We didn't just invent 75MHz... |
| 22:29:43 | w1ll14m | Llorean: i know about that :) |
| 22:29:55 | linuxstb | Although I think amiconn could reliably run his 2nd gen mini slightly faster than that. |
| 22:30:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: But those are rated to be at a higher clock anyway |
| 22:30:19 | linuxstb | Yes, but the PP5021 (in the Nano and Video) probably are as well. |
| 22:30:21 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Well, if you want to intentionally try to cause damage to your iPod, fine. |
| 22:30:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but I think this is because the pp5022 is specced higher |
| 22:30:35 | amiconn | I didn't try to exceed the specs |
| 22:30:48 | linuxstb | Everything I've seen refers to the PP5021/PP5022 together. I don't think there's even a product brief for the PP5021. |
| 22:31:19 | linuxstb | So I'm assuming the PP5021 is closer to the 22 than the 20. |
| 22:31:35 | w1ll14m | Llorean: well i'm tryin at this moment what is possible, i will try what 90MHz will do with the performance..... |
| 22:31:43 | amiconn | w1ll14m: If you increase the clock, you need to make sure that not only playback works (it will no longer boost all the time), but that running constantly boosted _and_ not letting the cpu idle is still stable |
| 22:32:44 | w1ll14m | amiconn: that's also true |
| 22:32:54 | * | Llorean still doesn't see the point, at this time. |
| 22:32:55 | amiconn | (e.g. by playing a long mpeg video with mpeg player, without framerate limiting. The video should be long enough to keep the ipod busy for like 15 minutes or more) |
| 22:33:21 | Mikachu | can't you just increase pitch to 200%? |
| 22:33:23 | daurn | hi |
| 22:33:31 | daurn | linuxstb: you talked to oxy |
| 22:33:40 | daurn | any other questions? |
| 22:33:44 | GodEater | yay - sansa emu is going to be sent to flyspray |
| 22:34:00 | daurn | btw, neuros have some dm320 dsp codecs |
| 22:34:08 | daurn | not open source |
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| 22:34:18 | daurn | but, you can work with them |
| 22:34:18 | * | Llorean does the "Oh crap, now people are going to really think there's a Rockbox Emulator" dance. |
| 22:34:35 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 22:34:56 | Slasheri | if that works, it sounds like a good idea to raise the cpu freq |
| 22:35:13 | * | amiconn disagrees |
| 22:35:23 | donb | Here's a request which will make some smile and others roll their eyes −− I deleted my unpatched firmware backup from my nano (1st gen, 2GB). Anyone have one they're willing to dcc back to a klutz? |
| 22:35:29 | Slasheri | of course it increases battery consumption |
| 22:35:32 | amiconn | The fact that it works on one individual ipod doesn't mean it will work on others |
| 22:35:50 | Mikachu | donb: i think i have one of those |
| 22:35:50 | Slasheri | but it's the only way for better (video)playback until more optimizations |
| 22:36:04 | Llorean | Slasheri: Why not just wait for optimizations then, and preserve battery life? |
| 22:36:07 | amiconn | The only way _is_ optimisation |
| 22:36:11 | donb | Mikachu: if you do and would be willing to get it, I would appreciate it enormously. |
| 22:36:22 | Mikachu | donb: let me jsut see where i put the file |
| 22:36:26 | linuxstb | daurn: Yes, the talk was reassuring. I'm definitely going ahead with an AV320 port now... |
| 22:36:50 | Mikachu | donb: you want the ~80MB one? |
| 22:37:03 | donb | That was the size, if I remember correctly. |
| 22:37:12 | Llorean | donb: They're usually not necessary any more. |
| 22:37:14 | Slasheri | Llorean: well, that's better of course. But iiuc, it might not be possible to optimize enough (especially the video playback). Original firmware has the decorers on the broadcom chip but rockbox can't use them |
| 22:37:22 | Mikachu | donb: can you unpack .bz2 files? |
| 22:37:40 | preglow | there's still plenty of opts to be done |
| 22:37:43 | donb | Yes, no problem at all Mikachu. |
| 22:37:54 | preglow | has video playback even been optimised at all? |
| 22:38:06 | donb | Thanks for asking, but in GNU/Linux, all things are possible. |
| 22:38:11 | linuxstb | preglow: Hardly. |
| 22:38:16 | Llorean | Slasheri: But that should still be investigated first, before such all-affecting things as picking new CPU frequencies. |
| 22:38:20 | Mikachu | i didn't know if you were enlightened or not |
| 22:38:44 | Slasheri | Llorean: true |
| 22:39:03 | donb | I like that way of putting it. Yes, enlightened in some ways, helpless in others. Some claim that the two are anticorrelated. |
| 22:39:26 | linuxstb | Slasheri: 320x240 playback on the 5g would be an accomplishment. I now think it's possible though, if we can use both arm cores to their full potential. |
| 22:40:22 | linuxstb | At the moment, the COP is the bottleneck (decoding and displaying the video), and the main CPU has at least a little bit of slack (more if we use an easier audio format). |
| 22:40:42 | Llorean | Or get MP3 decoding faster. |
| 22:41:31 | Slasheri | hehe.. i hear we might need even more advanced scheduler to do that ;) |
| 22:41:41 | Slasheri | something like load balancing between the cores |
| 22:41:58 | Mikachu | when you only have two threads, it's not much to balance |
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| 22:42:59 | w1ll14m | is the mpeg player in cvs? |
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| 22:43:11 | Slasheri | it has been a long time |
| 22:43:18 | dan_a | Slasheri: Automatic load balancing might not be a good idea, because of the caching problem |
| 22:43:40 | LinusN | is the cache shared? |
| 22:43:43 | dan_a | (the two cores have separate, unsnooped caches) |
| 22:43:48 | LinusN | aha |
| 22:44:11 | w1ll14m | slasheri: ok |
| 22:45:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'm only guessing, but does mpeg video allow to split the whole image, e.g. let one core decode the top half and the other core the bottom half? |
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| 22:45:29 | preglow | load balancing = bad idea |
| 22:45:33 | preglow | we'd need to totally revise all code |
| 22:45:36 | amiconn | (splitting on a macroblock boundary of course) |
| 22:46:11 | Mikachu | i would guess both halves would need to reference the full previous frame |
| 22:46:29 | Mikachu | if a macroblock is moving over the boundary |
| 22:46:42 | Mikachu | or does mpeg2 not have motion vectors? :) |
| 22:46:44 | w1ll14m | is there a test mpeg for the ipod 5g? |
| 22:46:45 | amiconn | That's why I said I'm guessing |
| 22:46:46 | Alonea | ok, I think the lcd setting for "on hold" are not correct. If I understand it right, normal refers to whatever the other settings are, on would mean when you flick the switch the light will stay on regardless of other settings and if its set to off when you flick the switch the light will go off regardless of other settings? |
| 22:46:54 | preglow | Mikachu: depends on the frame |
| 22:46:54 | w1ll14m | or can i just copy an mpeg to ipod ? |
| 22:46:55 | Mikachu | i am also guessing |
| 22:47:06 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: it needs to be the right resolution |
| 22:47:06 | preglow | for i-frames, it would be tricky |
| 22:47:11 | preglow | for p frames, i think it would be possible |
| 22:47:14 | dan_a | w1ll14m: See the PluginMpegplayer Wiki page |
| 22:47:24 | Mikachu | preglow: i would have thought the other way around |
| 22:47:35 | w1ll14m | dan_a: ll check |
| 22:47:37 | amiconn | Perhaps decoding a little more than exactlly one half? |
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| 22:47:59 | preglow | Mikachu: the dc coefficient is delta coded which makes all 8x8 blocks depend on each other, which makes splitting the decoding between cores hard |
| 22:48:10 | Mikachu | ah |
| 22:48:49 | Alonea | now, the "on" setting works and the "normal" setting works, but the off does not work and is exactly like normal. |
| 22:49:20 | preglow | i don't know how the motion prediction is coded, but i guess it's more likely to work, but each core would pretty much have to work on an image of their own, unless stuff is put in iram |
| 22:49:34 | Llorean | Alonea: On what player? |
| 22:49:44 | preglow | also, p frames sometimes also need i-frame like decoding |
| 22:49:53 | preglow | if the error is big |
| 22:49:53 | Alonea | The Gigabeat. |
| 22:49:56 | linuxstb | I think simply moving the lcd_yuv_blit to the main CPU (with the audio) would be a pretty even split. |
| 22:50:15 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, another option woul dbe to schedule whole gops per core... |
| 22:50:30 | linuxstb | Without displaying the video, one core on the 5g can currently decode 320x240 at 21fps. |
| 22:50:48 | Llorean | Alonea: You should probably file an actual bug report on it then, since it sounds like it's not working the way the manual describes it to |
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| 22:50:59 | Zagor | I changed the mime type for .mpg files on download.rb.org to octet-stream instead of video/mpeg. Those files are using 40% of our bandwidth, and I suspect not all of it is intended. |
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| 22:51:31 | preglow | amiconn: myeah, but that would get complicated pretty fast, i think |
| 22:51:34 | Lars_G | Just to let you all know |
| 22:51:42 | Lars_G | I might be shoved into rockbox code, more big time. |
| 22:51:56 | Alonea | Llorean: I guess I need to sign up with a login, yes? |
| 22:52:16 | Lars_G | My dad is good for making creative business, and he has many ideas with ipods, that i can't disclose right now :) that would use rockbox. |
| 22:52:20 | Llorean | Alonea: Well, that's how you report bugs properly, yes. |
| 22:52:23 | Mikachu | Alonea: that would make it easier for you to get automated replies when it's fixed |
| 22:52:24 | Lars_G | Of course I'm going to keep the gpl |
| 22:52:25 | preglow | Zagor: and how will that help? |
| 22:52:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Optimising lcd_yuv_blit() for arm would also be helpful... |
| 22:52:42 | Alonea | alright. registering it is |
| 22:53:29 | Zagor | preglow: my theory is that people are clicking the file, which downloads the film and starts a player. but they wanted to save the file, to transfer it to their player. so they download it again. |
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| 22:54:06 | GodEater | Zagor: sounds very plausible - I do that all the time with vids on the net |
| 22:54:20 | Mikachu | i have never been thanked in a quit message before i think |
| 22:54:39 | Lars_G | Zagor: The detail is, if the browser is sane, and the file comes from a non-changing url, the download should grab the cached copy directly |
| 22:55:04 | Zagor | Lars_G: many browsers don't cache >50 MB files |
| 22:55:19 | GodEater | for very sensible reasons |
| 22:55:30 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:56:08 | Mikachu | some browsers (ie) first download >50MB files to cache, then copy them to where you wanted to save it, then delete it from cache |
| 22:56:27 | Llorean | I'm somewhat surprised the sample video is that hugely popular. |
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| 22:56:28 | GodEater | IE is the only one I can think of that does that |
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| 22:56:38 | petur | giving the weird[1].names |
| 22:56:42 | Zagor | Mikachu: ie also relies on file extensions over mime types, so we're lost there in any case... |
| 22:56:47 | petur | s/the/them |
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| 22:57:11 | GodEater | Llorean: me too. The elephants dream isn't the greatest fiction ever :) |
| 22:57:16 | Zagor | Llorean: so am I. our bandwidth has nearly doubled since they became available. |
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| 22:57:43 | bluebrother | hmm. Seems we have quite some themes shipped with rockbox that aren't adjusted for all targets |
| 22:57:53 | goffa | elephants dream isn't even good fiction :).. but sure makes a good demo |
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| 22:58:15 | GodEater | very impressive though. Was all done in Blender wasn't it ? |
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| 22:58:21 | Zagor | GodEater: yup |
| 22:58:25 | worxefoz | hi |
| 22:59:17 | bluebrother | damn ... so much interesting stuff, and so little time :( |
| 22:59:40 | w1ll14m | well ... i'm gonna sleep... see you later guys :) |
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| 22:59:57 | Zagor | Very impressive technically. The film as such didn't impress me much, though. Personally I would have spent a little more energy on a story before embarking on a one-year project. :-) |
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| 23:00:09 | GodEater | yah - can hear my bed calling too. Later guys. |
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| 23:17:30 | webguest03 | hiya peeps |
| 23:17:46 | Mikachu | hi guest |
| 23:17:54 | webguest03 | does rockbox work for 2cnd gen ipod nano? |
| 23:17:59 | Llorean | No. |
| 23:17:59 | Mikachu | nope |
| 23:18:03 | webguest03 | awww dam |
| 23:18:05 | Llorean | That's why it says it doesn't, on the front page of the site. |
| 23:18:13 | webguest03 | thaught so i just wanted to make sure |
| 23:18:23 | webguest03 | is it not possible or are they in middle of doing 1 |
| 23:18:34 | Llorean | It'd be a little odd for the site to be lying. |
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| 23:18:45 | webguest03 | what u mean lorean? |
| 23:19:01 | Llorean | On the front page of the site, it says clearly that the Nano 2nd generation is not supported. |
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| 23:19:12 | webguest03 | never ever |
| 23:19:15 | webguest03 | does linux work? |
| 23:19:18 | dan_a | webguest03: It's really difficult. I'd guess the 3rg gen Nano will be out before the 2nd gen is supported |
| 23:19:21 | Llorean | No, it says it's "not", not "won't be" |
| 23:19:32 | Nono_Capo | Hello |
| 23:19:35 | Llorean | Right now, nobody can get third party firmware running on it. |
| 23:19:40 | webguest03 | maybe there wont be a 3rd gen nano |
| 23:19:45 | Llorean | Linux and Rockbox will probably be at about the same time. |
| 23:20:18 | webguest03 | is there any other way 2 boost sound? |
| 23:20:30 | webguest03 | on nano 2cnd gen |
| 23:20:48 | Nono_Capo | I am facing a little problem with my H10 20gb |
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| 23:21:20 | webguest03 | is there another way i can boost my volume on my nano 2cnd gen |
| 23:21:39 | Llorean | webguest03: This is #Rockbox, not a channel about other apple hacks |
| 23:21:39 | dan_a | webguest03: Build yourself a little headphone amp? |
| 23:21:49 | Llorean | Nono_Capo: Ask the problem. |
| 23:22:18 | webguest03 | if so all u talk about is rockbox |
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| 23:22:44 | Mikachu | brilliant conclusion |
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| 23:23:13 | Nono_Capo | Some time ago, rockbox daily builds keep my device from booting. The firmware will start and freeze in the opening screen with a list that ends something like "sum:34D87F" |
| 23:23:38 | Llorean | Nono_Capo: Have you upgraded your bootloader? |
| 23:24:04 | Nono_Capo | um.. how do I do that? |
| 23:25:03 | webguest03 | rockbox pricks |
| 23:25:31 | webguest03 | shit-box |
| 23:25:46 | Llorean | webguest03: Why on Earth would you expect the official Rockbox channel to be about something else? |
| 23:26:01 | Llorean | Nono_Capo: Read the manual for installing the bootloader. |
| 23:26:35 | Nono_Capo | am I not supposed to download a new one first? Where can i do that? |
| 23:26:37 | webguest03 | u lot are helpfull arny u |
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| 23:27:28 | Kick | (#Rockbox webguest06 :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 23:28:19 | | Part perl|work |
| 23:28:23 | Bagder | now behave |
| 23:28:25 | hiyapeople | im having trouble with rockbox :( |
| 23:28:46 | Mikachu | we know it's you |
| 23:28:46 | hiyapeople | badger the fadger has a very small tadger |
| 23:28:55 | Mikachu | maybe you should just ban him |
| 23:28:58 | Llorean | Witty. |
| 23:29:04 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Mikachu " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:29:06 | hiyapeople | maybe but i come here honestly aND U DIDNT HELP ME |
| 23:29:18 | Llorean | hiyapeople: You came here and asked for help about NON-Rockbox stuff |
| 23:29:21 | Bagder | you're rude and annoying, get lost |
| 23:29:23 | Llorean | Why not call Apple for help with their software? |
| 23:29:29 | hiyapeople | ya i was rude after u didnt help me |
| 23:29:31 | Zagor | hiyapeople: you'll get a refund, don't worry |
| 23:29:39 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!i=52058c5c@* " by Mikachu (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 23:29:42 | Mikachu | that should do it right? |
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| 23:29:47 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:30:06 | Llorean | hiyapeople: Nobody is obligated to help you with things we haven't agreed to help with. Goodbye. |
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| 23:31:06 | Lars_G | He's using a web proxy, a restart of the applet will surely give him a new "name" |
| 23:31:14 | Lars_G | Lets hope he doesn't catches up |
| 23:31:18 | Bagder | no, it is based on his ip |
| 23:31:21 | Mikachu | Lars_G: the part before @ is ip-dependant |
| 23:31:29 | Mikachu | ie 52058c5c is his ip in hex |
| 23:31:34 | Bagder | but yeah, he can still change it |
| 23:31:45 | Mikachu | i don't think he's that determined to taunt us :) |
| 23:31:50 | Llorean | Like the guy who dodged the ban on our forums (using Tor I believe) |
| 23:32:15 | Bagder | tor makes life harder for admins |
| 23:32:19 | Llorean | Aye |
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| 23:32:36 | Llorean | Fortunately he only did it to send me one last message asking me to ban him again, and when I ignored him, he seems to have wandered off. |
| 23:32:46 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:32:53 | Llorean | Which is good considering the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get an ISP to even acknowledge they have an abusive user. |
| 23:33:51 | Llorean | When "acceptable use" agreements have clauses about personal harassment, I don't see how server logs are in any way relevant. |
| 23:34:10 | Llorean | :) |
| 23:34:57 | dan_a | Llorean: They are relevant in that they have a time and an IP address... |
| 23:36:07 | Llorean | dan_a: The messages were timestamped, and an association between the username and IP address was established in as clear a way as a server log would. |
| 23:36:13 | Llorean | It's irrelevant since he doesn't seem to be coming back. |
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| 23:36:43 | Llorean | But I was already trying to initiate the process, since he'd circumvented the ban twice (once by simply having a dynamic IP, and once using Tor) |
| 23:37:12 | Llorean | Which also fit their description of Unauthorized Access in their AUP |
| 23:40:33 | Lars_G | The problem is, once it's done, they can get a new ISP, and using Tor you wouldn't be able to grasp his real IP again to start the process up anew |
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| 23:40:59 | Llorean | Lars_G: My guess is that the person was a minor. |
| 23:41:06 | preglow | is my irssi faulty or do we have just one ban? |
| 23:41:37 | dan_a | Llorean: People who are abusive in that way frequently are. |
| 23:42:01 | * | Lars_G nods |
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| 23:42:08 | Lars_G | Griefers make me grief. |
| 23:42:12 | Llorean | Either way, it's irrelevant unless he comes back. |
| 23:42:21 | * | Llorean goes to download the Emulator from flyspray. |
| 23:42:39 | * | Llorean doesn't have MSVC on this computer, so changes his mind. |
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| 23:43:18 | preglow | why are all the +b/+q removed? at least the tor one should apply at all times |
| 23:43:31 | muesli- | apples new iphone http://macbigot.com/media/iPhoneWallpaper1024x768.jpg |
| 23:43:49 | Juice^ | maby its a new year, giving bastards a new chance ? :o |
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| 23:44:43 | preglow | a crackbrained idea if i ever heard one! |
| 23:44:51 | preglow | bloody tor |
| 23:45:14 | muesli- | i like it |
| 23:45:16 | muesli- | :) |
| 23:45:30 | Lars_G | tor had a good mission for life, trouble it's impossible to avoid abuse |
| 23:45:44 | muesli- | and tor had a nice fork ;) |
| 23:45:56 | preglow | tor is incompatible with people |
| 23:45:58 | muesli- | or was it thunderbolt? |
| 23:47:40 | Lars_G | preglow: No, it's people that's incompatible with people. |
| 23:47:53 | Lars_G | I think youth should be sent to exile until they come of age. |
| 23:48:38 | Llorean | Unfortunately physical and mental maturity aren't exactly concurrent. |
| 23:48:48 | Bagder | sneak peak time |
| 23:48:51 | Bagder | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 23:49:13 | Lars_G | Llorean: I meant of mental age. Not chronological. |
| 23:49:13 | JdGordon | nice work :) |
| 23:49:17 | Alonea | sweet. i love you badger |
| 23:49:19 | Llorean | I've met people integer multiples of my age who are just as bad as those who're younger by far. |
| 23:49:49 | Lars_G | Bagder: pretty good, pretty good |
| 23:50:10 | preglow | i assume the design is a css issue? :> |
| 23:50:15 | JdGordon | Bagder: can you put timestampts at the top and targets on the side so it fits better on small screens please? |
| 23:50:20 | Bagder | preglow: mostly, yes |
| 23:50:23 | Zagor | preglow: no, that's the new look :) |
| 23:50:26 | preglow | hehe |
| 23:50:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: That would require rendering rotated timestamps. |
| 23:50:45 | Bagder | JdGordon: I'll save that for the git transition ;-P |
| 23:50:52 | preglow | isn't it possible to switch text orientation using css? |
| 23:50:54 | preglow | images are a bit nasty |
| 23:50:58 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:51:01 | Lars_G | Nope |
| 23:51:02 | Bagder | not possible |
| 23:51:02 | JdGordon | Bagder: haha ok |
| 23:51:05 | preglow | not possible??? |
| 23:51:06 | preglow | wow |
| 23:51:27 | Lars_G | Also, this way it's better. It's more common to have buildstamps than archs, and you generally want pages to grow down, not right |
| 23:52:00 | Llorean | You could probably do it pretty easily with GD in PHP maybe. But that's kinda slow, as far as my experience goes. |
| 23:52:02 | Zagor | Lars_G: on the other hand our list of archs grow, our list of kept builds doesn't... |
| 23:52:14 | Bagder | we have max 20 lines and 56 columns |
| 23:52:22 | Bagder | and the columns will grow... |
| 23:52:28 | Lars_G | ok |
| 23:52:39 | Bagder | so one day I'll go rotate date stamps |
| 23:52:43 | Bagder | but not today |
| 23:53:01 | * | JdGordon wishes his perl was better |
| 23:53:01 | preglow | 1.7 sec/build, not too shabby :PPP |
| 23:53:08 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:53:08 | Zagor | that will be annoying too, because the images will never be cached |
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| 23:53:16 | * | preglow wishes he could find something to use his perl skills on |
| 23:53:19 | Bagder | the math is a wrong when there's no previous builds |
| 23:53:33 | Bagder | as it is a moving average |
| 23:53:34 | jba | no one seen sloth around? |
| 23:53:52 | Zagor | preglow: rewrite viewvc in perl? python is making me insane :-( |
| 23:53:53 | preglow | several, but not the one you're thinking of |
| 23:54:03 | preglow | Zagor: python is for insane people |
| 23:54:14 | preglow | insane people and people who enjoy being bored |
| 23:54:45 | Lars_G | Bagder: There is a way..... |
| 23:54:54 | Zagor | python scatters files *all over* the system. i've spend several hours now trying to hunt down all files needed :-( |
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| 23:56:33 | Lars_G | Bagder: Fix the cell's width to something close to acomodate about 1.5 characters (to account for browser variance depending on font) and set the cell to wrap via css.... |
| 23:56:44 | Lars_G | characters wouldn't rotate, but they'll form a vertical line. |
| 23:56:48 | Lars_G | that should be readable |
| 23:57:08 | Llorean | Especially for pure timestamps. |
| 23:57:28 | Bagder | another way could be to just keep the columns numbered using title/alt for the actual date |
| 23:57:35 | * | dan_a thinks we could have a Samsung YH-820 port in a relatively short time |
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| 23:57:49 | Bagder | since the actual date is rarely interesting |
| 23:57:49 | Zagor | Bagder: now you're talking |
| 23:57:52 | Alonea | On the severity of issues, what generally should you set it as? |
| 23:57:53 | linuxstb | dan_a: Any progress with the LCD? |
| 23:58:07 | Bagder | dan_a: wooo! |
| 23:58:14 | dan_a | linuxstb: None - so I've started on the AK4537 Codec |
| 23:58:24 | dan_a | Working from a datasheet is lovely! |
| 23:58:32 | preglow | word |
| 23:58:36 | Bagder | luxury! |
| 23:58:54 | petur | spoiled |
| 23:58:58 | Lars_G | datasheets are luxury |
| 23:58:59 | Lars_G | :P |
| 23:58:59 | Llorean | Alonea: Generally you should just leave the severity as it is by default, unless the issue prevents music from working, or is really really minor (as in, a typo somewhere). |
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