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#rockbox log for 2007-01-10

00:00:13LloreanBecause iPodLinux doesn't already exist or anything.
00:00:14dan_aAnd then XOR things together and see if that works!
00:00:15Bagderthis is for nano 2nd gen
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00:01:33*Llorean wonders if the 2G Nano's bootloader is encrypted the same was as prior bootloaders.
00:01:42LloreanThe AUPD part, that is.
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00:02:58lavidoh, wait... we want the AS3514? I totally said I wanted the AS3515
00:03:54linuxstbI see they've duplicated the 256MB RAM mistake...
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00:04:30ElPenguinlinuxstb: yes
00:04:32dan_alavid: They are close enough that we can get sound out with an AS3515 datasheet
00:04:47ElPenguinlinuxstb: doesn't respond to any button presses except the menu-select
00:05:00Bagder"with 256 KBytes of SDRAM" too
00:05:06Bagderisn't that SRAM?
00:06:13linuxstbI would hope so.
00:06:24laviddan_a: I could send the person another email, specifying the *14
00:07:09dan_alavid: I suspect that for the bits that we are interested in they are identical
00:07:24laviddan_a: okay, I'll leave it as is then.
00:07:38 Quit ender` (" Pets are better than children because: 11. If they get pregnant, you can sell their children.")
00:07:48LloreanAustrian Microsystems has a representative *in* my city, apparently
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00:08:17LloreanNot that it's the sort of representation that would do any good.
00:09:30linuxstbElPenguin: What are you doing when it hangs?
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00:12:34linuxstbBagder: What's the command for checking out from svn with my username and password?
00:12:57Bagderlinuxstb: you check out the same way, it'll prompt you for name and password when you commit
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00:13:47linuxstbSo the "anonymous" checkout I made yesterday is good to go?
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00:14:24bluebrotherhmm, so it will ask every time I make a commit or does it that only once and saves the password for later use?
00:14:33Bagderit saves it
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00:16:22bluebrotherhmm, I think I'll try to play around with that themes overview page the next days (if I find the time)
00:16:33*preglow shakes Bagder's hand
00:16:59lavidI can't remember who runs the Sanda RevEng page, but the DAC should probably include some info re: the austriamicrosystems presentation slide
00:18:03BagderI run it
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00:22:00preglowwhere's the new repo at?
00:24:36linuxstbDoes svn make it easier for people to create patches without write access? e.g. adding new files locally?
00:25:15Bagderyes I think you can do that
00:25:22Bagderas you only need access when you commit
00:26:27*dan_a now has a 480MB rockbox source dir
00:27:02*Bagder recommends getting "trunk" ;-)
00:27:54dan_aIt's running git that does it - I've got every revision locally
00:28:56preglowlooks like hosts the curl web :>
00:29:07preglowdoesn't svn have a web interface too?
00:29:15Zagorpreglow: yes it does, i'm working on it
00:29:19preglowZagor: cool
00:29:31preglowbeen a while since i set up svn properly last
00:29:54amiconnIs the svn password exchange protected, or is it cleartext like cvs 'pserver'?
00:30:06preglowexchange protected, afaik
00:30:19preglowor hmm
00:30:31preglowi think you need to tunnel it for anything not trivial to crack
00:30:45ZagorI think so too.
00:30:50BagderCRAM-MD5 over the wire
00:31:00ZagorBagder: natively?
00:31:17Bagderno password around to snoop on
00:31:20Zagorneat. so why is "everyone" running over ssh?
00:31:31Bagderbecause they want something more
00:31:53preglowif you're refering to ssh+svn, that's to be able to set up svn on an account you just have around
00:31:58preglowi use it like that, and it's damned great
00:32:05 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:32:21preglowand anyway, people seem to just use ssl encryption by default, these days
00:34:20preglowthere's no equivalent to the rockbox and rockbox-devel tags anymore? you just get everything if you do trunk?
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00:39:54preglownearly revision 12k, damn...
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00:40:09preglowand that's with cvs commits being grouped as they were?
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00:40:48Aloneaso, when again was the new cvs page supposed to be up? the svn thing?
00:41:25Bagderpreglow: yes, the conversion script groups CVS commits to single svn commits
00:41:43*pixelma just learned about the disadvantages of not being subscribed to the rockbox-dev mailing list...
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00:42:07preglowBagder: damn...
00:42:40amiconnHehe, the CVS builds page needs to be renamed...
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00:43:18amiconnAre there already some instructions for build server admins
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00:48:33ElPenguinlinuxstb: sorry for the delay. i'll just be playing music and then i'll want to change song and it'll be hung. the music will continue to play however
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00:50:32Aloneaso, is there a new page somewhere and I just have no found it, or is it still being worked on?
00:52:46ZagorAlonea: we're still working on it.
00:53:07Bagderuse the daily builds until then
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00:56:05linuxstbElPenguin: Are you running a recent "official" Rockbox build, or one of the unsupported builds?
00:56:07dan_aAm I right in thinking that in ARM assembler, a "bx" instruction doesn't change to thumb mode if the address to branch to is an even number?
00:56:27Bagderdan_a: that's my understanding of it
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00:56:54Bagderdon't you change back from thumb mode that way?
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00:57:27dan_aBagder: I think so.
00:57:38amiconndan_a: There's a pitfall: The bit deciding about the mode is bit 0
00:58:07amiconnThe address itself would _always have bit 0 == 0, for any thumb or arm instruction
00:58:35amiconnIn thumb mode, bit 1 can have either value, in arm mode it's also always zero
00:59:19dan_aUnderstood. I'm just trying to follow a disassembly, and it's making no sense to me.
00:59:46Bagderfor build servers, do this in rbclient's home dir:
00:59:50Bagdermkdir old
00:59:58Bagdermv apps bootloader CVS docs firmware flash fonts gdb manual tools uisimulator wps old/
01:00:07Bagdersvn co svn:// .
01:00:10Mikachuyou can mkdir zold;mv *
01:00:14Mikachubut that's cheating
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01:00:39Bagdermoving all is not what we want
01:00:50amiconnDo I need to be 'rbclient' for this?
01:00:51Mikachuah, never mind then
01:01:04Bagderamiconn: it is probably the easiest way
01:01:10prontohey, I need some help for the gigabeat port
01:01:15*amiconn is not sure how to do this, then
01:01:24amiconnrbclient can't logon locally
01:01:31linuxstbsu ; su rbclient
01:01:40Mikachuthat won't exactly work, you need to type su rbclient after you're root
01:01:48linuxstbThat's what I meant...
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01:01:56toffepronto : what do you need ?
01:02:05amiconnlinuxstb: tnx
01:02:17prontoI get this error, 0020070 - No system found on HDD
01:02:25Mikachuah, never mind then+=1;
01:02:46prontoand I stupidly deleted everything on the gigabeat, so yeah :\
01:03:20preglowdamn, svn is zippier by far
01:03:24preglowbetter hardware too?
01:03:33LinusNyes, and bigger pipe
01:03:36Zagoryes, and particularly the net connection
01:03:43linuxstbBagder: My server's done
01:03:49toffepronto : nothing or you can read the disk ?
01:03:57preglowwouldn't build server need to allow logon from another ip too?
01:04:09Bagderlinuxstb: thanks
01:04:14Mikachuheh, nice subhostname on the svn server :)
01:04:32Bagderpreglow: they allow login using the key, not based on IP
01:04:34Mikachusubdomain is the word i wanted
01:04:38preglowBagder: then hooray
01:04:52prontotoffe : it loads as a usb drive, and when the gigabeat boots, it starts to, then the error pops up, also i have the rockbox files where the PDF said to put them
01:05:45amiconnBagder: Mine is done too
01:05:53toffepronto : you have the .rockbox directory and the rockbox.gigabeat ?
01:06:19prontotoffe : yeah, and got the boot loader from the boot loader page
01:06:32Mikachugenerating the logs on the frontpage should be a _lot_ easier with svn too, you can request logs for intervals of commits, so just latest to latest-10 takes a second to run
01:06:41Mikachu(you know this, i'm just praising svn)
01:07:09preglowbut good, nice and peachyu
01:07:16preglowi think i'm sorted out and ready, then
01:07:36toffepronto: in the gbsystem/fwimg you have the fwimg01 file? (60K)
01:08:07prontoits 63.7 k, but yeah
01:08:30*amiconn scraps his extra cvs working copies
01:08:46toffepronto : what do you delete ?
01:09:11linuxstbCan we remove the execute bit on files with svn?
01:09:27amiconnBagder: Where did the www module go? Will there be a replacement?
01:09:37Bagderamiconn: it is on the same level as trunk
01:09:39***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:09:40LinusNlinuxstb: already done
01:09:47prontotoffe : well, i bascialy deleted everything from it, and put rockbox on it after it didn't work the 1st few times
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01:10:15Bagder"svn co svn://"
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01:10:21amiconnah ok
01:10:32JdGordonuntill the website is fixed up.. is there an rss feed of commits? or is that off the same script as the www?
01:10:45Bagderthere are commit mails
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01:10:59JdGordonto the same email as the cvs commits?
01:11:01MikachuJdGordon: you can use "svn log"
01:11:15Bagderand 'svn st -u'
01:11:16toffein the system directory do you have the fwimg00 and 02 ?
01:11:22Mikachuit's a lot more helpful than "cvs log"
01:11:25toffepronto ^^
01:11:29ZagorJdGordon: yes, same mailing list
01:11:55Zagorso now both the rockbox-sf and rockbox-cvs lists have funny names :)
01:11:56toffepronto : this are from the original firmware, must be needed
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01:12:53prontotoffe: damn, know anywhere i could get them? the gigabeat site is useless
01:12:59toffepronto : just copy back the original sytem directory and change the fwimg01
01:13:13toffedo you have windows ?
01:13:35toffepronto : do you have the gigaroom software installed ?
01:13:41prontotoffe: yeah
01:14:27toffego to program files , find the gigaroom directory and you must have the firmware in it
01:14:44*preglow deletes his old tree
01:15:02Mikachudon't forget that cvs diff doesn't copy over files that aren't cvs added...
01:15:08toffepronto : I can't tell you exactly, I don' have it on this computer
01:15:09ElPenguinlinuxstb: sorry again for the delay. about a 2 week old official
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01:15:33prontotoffe: thanks though
01:15:45amiconnMikachu: Binary files are an issue too...
01:16:06prontotoffe : yep its under toshiba/gigabeat room
01:16:13*amiconn has a set of modified sudoku bitmaps hanging around....
01:16:22ElPenguinlinuxstb: still, i'm going to disappear for the best part of a day, if you need any more info, drop me a pm
01:16:26Mikachuso don't be too quick deleting old trees
01:16:35toffepronto : copy the system back to the gigabeat
01:16:40Bagder13 committers are added
01:16:48prontotoffe: just did :D
01:17:13JdGordonanyone reccommend a quick idios guide to svn for use newbies?
01:17:23toffepronto : then rename the fwimg01.dat to FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG
01:17:34Bagder is a guide, but not that quick ;-)
01:17:37prontowoo! rockbox works now
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01:17:42ZerapheHas anyone tried out the IPL Loader 2 with a 5.5g iPod and Rockbox?
01:17:57toffepronto ;)
01:18:46prontowow, thats neat how the screen fades in and out
01:19:13Mikachuyou can adjust the timings for that too :)
01:19:21LloreanZeraphe: Seeing as loader 2 isn't our software, this isn't really the best place to ask questions about whether it works, but I believe one built from source at least should.
01:19:47prontoheh, i been waiting for about 9 months for this port :D , once i get money, im so donating
01:19:50amiconnNot on the 80GB I'd think
01:20:17ZerapheLlorean, I was just curious. I don't need help, I just wanted to know if it had been done.
01:20:17LloreanZeraphe: Ah, yes, only the 30gb 5.5G by the way.
01:20:28linuxstbZeraphe: According to the svn logs, 5.5g (i.e. 2048-byte sector support) was added on 20 November 2006.
01:20:35LloreanZeraphe: Still, iPodlinux's software should be asked about in their locations.
01:20:39lostlogicBagder: my build server is updated to SVN... but still throws those two stupid warnings :-P
01:21:10Bagdertwo minuspoints for lameness ;-)
01:21:16ZerapheBut would I get the same response in #ipodlinux, for asking about Rockbox interaction?
01:21:22toffepronto : try the wps on the wiki , there are really nice
01:21:41prontotoffe: yeah i been looking though the wiki
01:21:47LloreanZeraphe: You're asking about how loader2 works. Its *job* is to load firmware images.
01:22:22LloreanZeraphe: The only bit about Rockbox in your question was if Rockbox works on 5.5G iPods.
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01:26:07Bagdercvs builds could possibly be called "commit builds" instead
01:26:52LloreanBagder: How 'bout just "Latest Build"
01:27:01ZerapheLlorean, I was asking about using the software together. I didn't know the subject was taboo.
01:27:03linuxstbI thought we called the "bleeding edge" builds in some places?
01:27:39LloreanZeraphe: It's not taboo, but until Rockbox itself has actually started you're in Loader2, and so that software is their responsibility. If you use the Rockbox bootloader, then it's our responsibility, even if you're *only* using it to load iPL.
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01:28:53Lloreanlinuxstb: I think "Bleeding Edge" sounds less trustworthy than simply "Latest" and maybe going with "Latest" and "Archived" would clear up some of the confusion overall.
01:29:16Mikachui think not sounding trustworthy is the idea with the name "bleeding edge"
01:29:34linuxstbZeraphe: According to the 20 November 2006 SVN commit message, loader2 can load Rockbox on a 5.5g.... You'll need to compile it yourself from SVN, and use a version of ipodpatcher from the Rockbox SVN to install it, using ipodpatcher [device] -ab loader.bin
01:30:06LloreanMikachu: But that's the thing, on a reliability scale, CVS builds builds are about equal to daily.
01:30:16ZerapheLlorean, I think you're taking this too seriously. This idle question demands no responsibility, I was just trying to gather information, and while it cannot be guaranteed that anyone in #ipodlinux uses Loader 2 to load Rockbox, it was a possibility that someone in #rockbox had had the inclination to try loading Rockbox with Loader 2.
01:30:22Mikachuyou should release a 2.99 or something :)
01:30:25Mikachuon a good day
01:30:30BagderI just wanted to mention that all the ones who've mailed me their passwords until now are added and now I'll go see my pillow
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01:31:00Zeraphelinuxstb, Thanks. Sounds like an ordeal. =p
01:31:06LloreanZeraphe: But, it's more likely that people in iPodLinux use loader2. My point was that it's almost entirely irrelevant what it's being use to load if the question is about the loader. I had no way of knowing you weren't going to ask how to set it up, which is why I made the initial suggestion to ask there.
01:31:15linuxstbZeraphe: Just install the Rockbox bootloader, it's easier...
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01:31:22LloreanIt is much easier.
01:31:28Zeraphelinuxstb, I've already got it.
01:32:31Zeraphelinuxstb, I was considering switching, so that later I could tri-boot my iPod with all three firmwares, once the IPL team had fixed the disk issues with the 5.5gs.
01:32:47LloreanThe Rockbox bootloader already supports triboot
01:33:09*Llorean points out that he already mentioned the fact that the Rockbox bootloader can load iPL.
01:33:14linuxstbPlus you can start the IPL kernel from within Rockbox itself.
01:33:31ZerapheLlorean, See?! Good thing I asked in here, or I'd have never known that.
01:34:22ZerapheLlorean, I actually thought you were being hypothetical when you said that part.
01:34:52LloreanI was being hypothetical in that someone might ask about it (I can't imagine using the bootloader from Rockbox just for iPL) not about its capabilities. :)
01:35:06LloreanIn fact, I *may* have been the first person to boot iPL with the RB Bootloader. I know I was first on the Nano at least. :)
01:35:06ZerapheSo, I'm allowed to ask how to load IPL with the Rockbox bootloader, right?
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01:35:41LloreanSet up the ext2/ext3 partition it needs for its filesystem, put the files there, but the .bin fine in the root of your Fat32 partition named Linux.bin, and hold Play while booting (similar to holding Menu for the retail OS)
01:35:42Mikachuiirc you put a linux.bin in / and then hold play
01:35:48Mikachuwhat he said
01:35:56Mikachui'm sort of useless tonight, am i not?
01:36:04ZerapheNot that it works on the 5,5g 3gb yet, apparently.
01:36:23linuxstbNor the 30GB.
01:36:52ZerapheForgot that one of my zero keys doesn't work.
01:36:58dewdude_nothing really works for the 5.5g yet, rockbox kind of limps along
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01:37:35ZerapheI didn't use the original firmware for very long, I don't really notice.
01:37:57dewdude_i booted the original firmware...twice
01:38:17Lloreandewdude_: Rockbox works as well on the 5.5G 30gb as it does on any other iPod, really. Better than some.
01:39:08ZerapheI installed the build that makes use of the second CPU, that might be helping my performance.
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01:39:17dewdude_i haven't seen that build yet.
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01:39:34dewdude_i'm also running the daily from 010107
01:39:53Nimdaehah, i'm giving my friend crap because he failed his rockbox install on his ipod
01:40:01Nimdaehe didn't read the instructions properly
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01:41:04dewdude_meh...old builds
01:41:08linuxstbIt's only two commands...
01:41:28Mikachubut omg you have type on the keyboard in a black window
01:41:59linuxstbKids today...
01:42:11dewdude_they don't even know what a command prompt is called
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01:42:35*dewdude_ hands Mikachu a bash manual
01:43:00Mikachuthanks but i use zsh
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01:43:25Zeraphebash > zsh
01:43:30dewdude_you use zsh but you still said "type on the keyboard in a black window"
01:43:54Mikachuyes, because i was joking
01:44:11dewdude_oh, my bad.
01:44:16Mikachuand this is why the smiley was invented
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01:44:25dewdude_what smiley
01:44:37dewdude_there was no smiley after that denoting a joke
01:44:45LloreanPlus, 90% of installations occur in a black window anyway.
01:44:48LloreanIf not more
01:44:52Nimdaehah, he's complaining the step where you copy the .rockbox directory isn't visible enough
01:45:06linuxstbYou don't copy the .rockbox directory...
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01:45:19Nimdaei do
01:45:35Nimdaeok, you uncompress the zip file onto the ipod
01:45:39dewdude_i thought you were supposed to
01:45:41linuxstb"unzip both and to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod."
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01:46:46Nimdaeactually,k the manual doesn't say that
01:47:59linuxstbNo-one reads the manual though. :-) <-smiley
01:48:22Mikachu ^ arrow
01:49:11Nimdaenot far enough :P
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01:49:19Mikachumy input line doesn't start where my nick ends
01:49:35Nimdaeeasy calculation ;)
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01:49:59amiconnWith a proportional font? ;)
01:50:02Mikachuyeah if you remember it's needed
01:50:43Mikachuyou miss out on a lot of ascii art if you don't use fixed width fonts :)
01:50:57*amiconn doesn't care about ascii art
01:51:01amiconnAT least not in irc
01:51:24Mikachugood, then i don't have to include proportional fonts in my calculations
01:51:25*amiconn prefers readability
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01:53:45*preglow loves ascii/ansi art :>
01:54:18Mikachusomeone spent a few minutes on that
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01:54:59preglowi've even coded a semi-functional viewer using sdl
01:55:07preglowwhich i some day will finish..
01:55:30Mikachui just use my terminal :P
01:55:42Mikachu| iconv -f cp437 -t UTF-8 usually works fine
01:55:52preglowthe font's a bithc, though
01:56:02preglowgood old 8x16 dos fonts are the nicest
01:56:37preglowmostly because that's what people used when the art scene still thrived
01:57:46preglowmy viewer switches to fullscreen 640x480 at the moment, i think
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01:57:52Mikachudo you have the text files for these pictures?
01:57:56preglow720x400 is optimal, but not every monitor does that...
01:58:06preglowMikachu: somewhere, yes...
01:58:13Mikachuthe login one is cute
01:58:19preglowit's very cute. jej
01:58:20preglowheh <-
01:58:33Mikachu ^ arrow
01:58:33Mikachuthere we go
01:58:35preglowi've actually used that in the gui for a project i did
01:59:55Mikachuthis is the one i use now
01:59:56preglowi've got a whole dvd full of artpack zips here, and 4terror!.ans is in one of them, but god knows which
02:00:16Mikachumaybe i could try googling
02:00:36Mikachuheh, only #rockbox.log
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02:01:38preglowahh, it's in a phat pack
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02:03:42preglowthere you go, it's in there
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02:08:48preglowMikachu:!_9x16.png <- slightly different version, using the old default 9 width mode for max authenticity :>
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02:17:02Aloneaok, I was looking at phalangees back wps theme and I wanted to put my own images in there. I understand how to do it and I can get everything but how to make the image look "frosty" for the regular menu screens. I did it a long time ago, but I have forgotten how
02:17:20Nico_PJdGordon ?
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02:18:42Aloneaif you dont know what I mean by frosty I guess you could look at the preview pic for tabs (these are WPS for gigabeat) or just download the zip and look in the backdrops folder.
02:22:26dewdude_anything special i need to do if i want to reinstall the i have to completely uninstall the old one or can i just install over the old one?
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02:24:35LloreanWhat do I co with svn that's the equivalent of the old rockbox-devel?
02:25:19Lloreandewdude_: If you installed the old one with -a, just do a ipodpatcher N -d, then -a the new one.
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02:26:15dewdude_Llorean, alrighty. danke.
02:26:46preglowLlorean: just leech trunk
02:27:05preglowsvn://, afaik. that should be the same as rockbox-devel was before
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02:28:15KCCseems as though Rockbox updating has stalled... theres been no new updates to the CVS
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02:28:26KCCim assuming this new system that replaced CVS has its own changelog?
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02:28:51Lloreanpreglow: Yeah, looks like it. Know how to check out to a specific folder, instead of a folder named "trunk", for future use?
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02:29:18scorche /trunk/foldername i believe
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02:31:00puetzkLlorean, svn co http://url/to/wheverer folder
02:31:11preglowLlorean: just throw that name on
02:31:16preglowwhat he said
02:31:59LloreanLast but not least, since I'm being all lazy and not reading any manual or help, equivalent to cvs up -dP?
02:32:16*puetzk tries to remember what that does
02:32:23puetzkgenerally one just uses bare svn up
02:32:37puetzkbeen too long since I used cvs anywhere
02:32:38preglowLlorean: i don't think that's needed
02:32:52Lloreanpreglow: Ah, well then that makes me happy.
02:33:05puetzkLlorean, ah, -d is new dirs and -P is prune empty
02:33:09preglowsvn has saner defaults than cvs, but i am by no means completely certain, better ask bagder
02:33:09LloreanIt seemed more logical to force your update to *not* create new files or trim old ones if you wanted to avoid it.
02:33:32puetzkthe former is default (-N if you actually want a non-recursive update), the latter isn't necessary since folder removal is an actual operation
02:33:54LloreanAlright, thanks. :)
02:34:33KCCwhat exactly is a "prebuild bootloader"
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02:34:49LloreanKCC: Do you mean "prebuilt"?
02:35:10KCCI suppose?
02:35:22LloreanThen it simply means "one you don't need to compile yourself"
02:35:43KCCI see
02:35:52KCCso basically its like an InstallSheild kind of thing?
02:36:10KCCi really dont see a problem with manually downloading the bootloader and putting it onto my 'Beat
02:36:14linuxstbLlorean: -a really means "add or replace". So there shouldn't be any need to do -d.
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02:36:43Lloreanlinuxstb: So what would be a good standard, just svn up, or include -a?
02:37:02linuxstbLlorean: I'm talking about ipodpatcher
02:37:03LloreanKCC: No, the one you're download is the prebuilt. You don't have to use GCC or anything to make it.
02:37:07Lloreanlinuxstb: Aaah.
02:37:28Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, my first thought was "-a alone should work" then "but -d couldn't hurt, and I'm not 100% sure"
02:37:59KCCHmm... the reference to the prebuilt bootloader not being available should probably be removed from the manual then
02:38:37LloreanKCC: Well, it wasn't available when that was written, but I believe it says "When it's available, it'll be here" and points to it?
02:38:39puetzk if nobody has posted it yet
02:38:52preglowamiconn: preliminary testing of using first order filters for bass/treble control: results are decent/good enough for boosts, but for some reason, cuts are really ineffective...
02:39:17*dewdude_ does happy dance
02:39:28dewdude_i can play mp3's without the gui locking up now!
02:40:10KCCllorean: you're right, but the "not available" thing is unnecessarily confusing
02:40:56LloreanKCC: Well, it wasn't available when it was written.
02:41:01LloreanUnfortunately, I don't have access to change it.
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02:41:13KCCI see, I see
02:41:14LloreanI was thinking about asking for it today, actually, for specifically this kind of situation.
02:42:22KCCits a simple enough edit, just delete that entire line and leave the URL... would probably save some users alot of grief
02:42:35linuxstbAre you talking about a change to the manual?
02:42:47SoapIsOutOfTownLlorean is attempting to gain power to seed his coup.
02:42:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Aye, the Gigabeat bootloader is now available precompiled.
02:43:00LloreanThere's a mention that it's not, but will be at a URL once it is.
02:43:04linuxstbPoint me in the right direction, I'll change it.
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02:44:15LloreanThe fixme in that file
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02:45:06linuxstbSo I'll just link to here?
02:45:38KCCthanks linuxstb
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02:45:49KCCso listen, what happened to the daily builds?
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02:46:01KCCim expecting my 'beat any day now, and i wanna install a brand-spankin-new rockbox asap
02:46:08KCCbuttt... development has ceased on the CVS?
02:46:26scorcheKCC: see topic
02:46:28puetzkmoving to subversion
02:46:31LloreanKCC: We're moving to a new method for storing the source.
02:46:38LloreanKCC: So, during that time, no changes get to happen.
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02:46:59ZerapheSo, the Rockbox bootloader uses .ipod files. What does the other, unnamable bootloader use?
02:47:05ZerapheDon't kill me Llorean
02:47:22LloreanZeraphe: You can name it, but really, questions about it should be asked elsewhere.
02:47:25LloreanAnd it uses .bin files.
02:47:48*linuxstb makes his first svn commit
02:47:59*Llorean cheers.
02:48:12jbajoy joy
02:48:14LloreanHey, wait, Commits don't show up on the changelog on the front page, do they?
02:48:23KCCright, so how can I check the changelog?
02:48:33linuxstbI don't think so, but they're sent to the rockbox-cvs mailing list...
02:48:36KCCor has rockbox programming ceased altogether with this transition?
02:48:37LloreanKCC: Wait until the new scripts are active.
02:49:29KCCwill do
02:50:31*puetzk pets trac
02:50:56puetzkPeople at work are usually rather distrubed when they realize I get all the commits in my RSS reader :-)
02:51:56puetzkbut rockbox already has a wiki and issue tracker, so an all-in-one like that would be overkill
02:52:38*preglow pets svn
02:53:18pregloware there any pictures of the gigabeat running rockbox around?
02:53:46Lloreanpreglow: Youtube has no videos for a gigabeat rockbox search. *gasps*
02:54:05prontopreglow, if you want me to i could use my cell phone came
02:54:11prontojust got rockbox on it today
02:55:28preglowpronto: nothing important
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02:57:05jbahey scubacoles how goes
02:57:48scubacolesyeah, OK...back at work which sucks, but it has the advantage of putting me back online again (no home internet)
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02:59:25scubacolesthere's an F20 on eBay about to sell for $150
03:00:03scubacolesThats 5 minutes
03:00:40scubacolesI'm tempted just to get myself a cradle
03:01:33*linuxstb is looking at the Archos av320 - arm7tdmi, a MAS3587F and a 2.5" hard disk...
03:01:53linuxstbBut they seem impossible to find...
03:01:57amiconnHehe, hwcodec an an arm cpu
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03:02:05amiconn*and an
03:02:21linuxstbYes, something to make good use of the PCM codec....
03:02:51amiconnOr use the arm for video decoding and let the mas play the mpeg audio track in mpegplayer
03:03:13linuxstbIndeed. Although the CPU also has a DSP.
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03:03:36linuxstbSome info is here:
03:03:41amiconnHmm, but that's this closed ti crap iirc?
03:04:23linuxstbThere are some datasheets linked to from that page...
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03:04:53linuxstbBut yes, I expect that it isn't as open as we would want.
03:05:24amiconnhardware usb-ata bridge, familiar radio chip
03:05:32[toffe]scubacoles : look more on eBay, you should find some complete gigabeat for less than 150$
03:05:39amiconn8MB ram, not too bad
03:06:47amiconnebay germany has one
03:06:59[toffe]I just got a F41 (the size of the f10 but with a 40 gb hd) for 30$
03:07:07linuxstbAnd there's one on
03:07:16linuxstb(who will ship to the UK)
03:07:27SoapIsOutOfTowndid they do HWcodec for power consumption reasons?
03:08:05amiconnlinuxstb: The german offer also ships to uk
03:08:06linuxstbspdif in/out as well...
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03:08:21LloreanSoapIsOutOfTown: Maybe they had some MAS chips already around, so it was cheaper for licensing.
03:09:13hoffmanim a noob to rockbox and just wonder if there is an auto-lock function when playing music?
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03:10:02hoffmanbecause after a while when im in the current playing window all the buttons locks/holds and i cant do anything except restart it, but i can still hear music
03:10:08scubacoles[toffe] not in Australia... there is another currently only $12 but with 5 days to go, it'll get up to $150 too.
03:10:24hoffmandoes anyone know how to disable the lock?
03:10:55SoapIsOutOfTownwhat player?
03:11:00LloreanThere is no lock
03:11:02hoffmanipod video
03:11:10LloreanI'd guess it's the first-keypress-enables-backlight setting
03:11:23linuxstbamiconn: Yes, that's coming up on as well...
03:11:49hoffmanbecause after a while playing music, no one of the buttons work, except restarting the whole thing
03:12:04hoffman(and it's not the hold button)
03:12:17Lloreanhoffman: Try disabling the first keypress for backlight setting
03:13:10[toffe]scubacoles : not gigabeat X on eBay australia ?
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03:14:17hoffmanthey should make the scrolling as it is in the normal ipod firmware
03:14:25hoffmanso u can scroll faster
03:14:47Lloreanhoffman: Do you know how Apple did it quickly?
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03:15:30LloreanWell, until someone does, we just have to do the best that we can.
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03:16:08scubacoles[toffe]: 9 F series (3xF40, 2xF60, 4xF20), and 1 X30. Even broken iPods go for $100ish here so $150 for a working F20 is a bargain!!
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03:24:41Mouser_XHas anything worth mentioning happened today, that I should look for?
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03:27:18linuxstbMouser_X: SVN is open for business, but not all of the associated scripts are working yet.
03:27:35linuxstbSo we have daily builds, but not the "cvs builds".
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03:28:37l_rdoes rockbox support .mpc decoding (musepack) on ipod nano?
03:32:35SoapIsOutOfTownoh yes
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03:33:39l_rSoapIsOutOfTown, are you talking to me?
03:34:06linuxstbSo would anyone else be interested in an AV320/340 port?
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03:37:07Mouser_Xlinuxstb: Thanks. Glad to hear it! It's not a big use to me, (I don't have a build environment, or even a player yet), but it's definatly good to hear.
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03:40:33scorchelinuxstb: those are the ones with a 2.5" HD right/
03:42:17linuxstbscorche: Yes, and the same MAS as the Archos Recorders and Ondio FM, plus an ARM CPU...
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03:43:40scorcheso it would be a hybrid of SW and HW decoding?
03:44:11linuxstbI guess MP2/MP3 would be done on the MAS, other formats on the ARM with the PCM codec.
03:44:11scorchesounds like just what i have been looking for
03:44:39scorchei will have to browse ebay a bit then
03:44:43*Nimdae looks up what this is
03:44:51linuxstbDon't buy mine...
03:45:41Nimdaeis it like a standard 2.5" drive?
03:45:49scorcheheh....we might have to collaborate then ;)
03:45:51linuxstbYes, 9.5mm
03:46:03Nimdaeso you could easily increase the capacity......
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03:46:22linuxstbIndeed. Up to 160GB I think...
03:46:28scorchewhich is what i have been aiting for
03:46:44scorchethe only thing that prevents me from upgrading from my v1 to a new device
03:46:50linuxstbAnd it's supported by archopen, so lots of source available for us to copy/paste...
03:46:51scorchewell, new-ish in this case
03:47:22Aloneahmm, a small suggestion for the page that is used to name/rename things. (this is on gigabeat) use the volume button to move the cursor.
03:47:46linuxstbYou mean the virtual keyboard?
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03:48:27Aloneayeah, that page. the a button is esc, power is confirm, and menu is backspace.
03:48:50Aloneabut i think it might be nice if the volume buttons could be used to move the cursor left and right
03:49:34goffathat would be sweet
03:50:09Aloneaso you dont have to delete the whole thing if you needed to change a character at the beginning. it was just a thought
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03:53:45Nimdaei wish i never learned about computers
03:53:50Nimdaethey frustrate me so much
03:54:58Aloneathey do indeed. I remember the time I had to rewrite the vista boot file and I kept getting bad file or command even though it was the right command. I eventually got it worked out. I spend quite a lot of time fixing them.
03:55:27AloneaI try to think of it as a puzzle and I generally like puzzles...but like all of them, they get to the point where you want to kill it
03:55:50Nimdaewell, it is a puzzle
03:55:55Nimdaeit's a puzzle you never finish
03:56:05Nimdaeand some days you just want to light on fire and watch it burn
03:56:46Aloneaheh. well, I have certainly got quite good at it. I am quite used to reformatting now.
03:57:32Mikachureformatting is what you do when you're not good at it ;)
03:58:19Aloneawell, sometimes reformatting is muuuch faster. That and when you are going through random os's all the time. Or you really screw up and get a virus from hell.
03:59:23Aloneabut usually I dont have to. Now if everyone else would stop asking me to fix their computer all would be well
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04:10:53KCChey alonea, fix my comp?
04:11:03tamitallI've loaded rockbox on my iriver H10 20gb, but it appears not to be working. I can't get it to connect via USB, and none of my music is showing up. I can get the splash screen, but then it returns to a menu that says "Text" and "rockbox". Anyone have a suggestion? I can still emergency connect it to swap the boot loaders around.
04:12:09Alonea....*big sigh* very funny. unless you actually have a problem? though I am currently on the phone with customer support for my 360...
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04:12:19linuxstbtamitall: That's not a menu, that's the file browser.
04:12:43KCChahaa, im good for now bud
04:12:44tamitalllinuxstb- fair enough. Am I just not understanding what to do past that?
04:12:49KCCbut if i ever need anything... haha
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04:13:13KCCwhats wrong with the 360, btw?
04:13:14linuxstbtamitall: I don't know how USB mode works on the H10, but you just drag and drop your music files to the disk, and play them from the file browser.
04:14:01tamitallok, there's a folder named 'Music' with 18gb of music in it, that doesn't show up in the file browser
04:14:22linuxstbIt's probably hidden - you need to enable the "show all files" menu option.
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04:15:33tamitallthank you :)
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04:26:15Aloneaoh, i keep getting the 3 red lights of death
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04:28:48AloneaKCC: and it seems to do it randomly...i just turn it off and back on and it will work. bah. anyway.
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04:35:13KCC3 red lights of death?
04:38:26Aloneabasically think window blue screen of death. It usually means there is hardware failure somewhere...the ring of light will display 3/4 red lights
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05:01:06fasmaiegoffa: how's the new F60?
05:01:25goffaloving it
05:01:36goffa9500 tracks on the one player :)
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05:02:08goffamy friend's wife is being indecicive
05:02:14fasmaieWhat sort of playing time are you getting
05:02:23goffahaven't let it drain
05:02:24fasmaieI know how that can get
05:02:29fasmaieNo hassle
05:02:35goffabut i went 5 hours and it went down to 50%
05:02:44goffabut battery reporting isn't accurate so i dunno total
05:02:55fasmaieNot does that compare to the F40?
05:03:32fasmaieProbably in the same range, I guess
05:03:52goffayeah.. i'd say its on par
05:04:20fasmaiegotthardt reported 13+ hours of playing time
05:04:23goffaseems a little better.. but then that's because the lcd code is better
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05:04:34goffai'd buy that
05:04:55fasmaieWell good for you anyway
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05:05:06fasmaieI'm green with envy, of course
05:05:06goffayeah i'm happy
05:05:10goffahe he he
05:05:18goffawell hoping to remedy that somewhat
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05:06:00fasmaieWife's gift is coming in waiting apprehensively
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05:07:30goffayeah... i'm sure that's eating at you
05:08:36fasmaieOH well, any idea when SVN will be ready to go?
05:08:45goffawish i knew
05:08:47goffabut hoping soon
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05:09:09goffaat least its not a feature freeze
05:09:19goffawell a long term one
05:09:45goffafirst one lasted a few months
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05:10:04fasmaieWow, I wasn't aware of that
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05:11:31perl|wtfhey goffa
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05:11:58perldiverhows things
05:12:08perldiverthe new player?
05:12:22goffaliking that like 9500 songs on one player
05:12:29perldiveroh nice
05:12:52goffayeah.. like 1/6 of my collection :D
05:13:45goffa but that's plenty for a road trip
05:13:51perldivermore than enough
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05:16:25perldiverdo you think rockbox not saving treble/bass settings is a problem?
05:16:41goffai don't use eq.. so its not for me :)
05:16:49goffabut i could see it being a prob for others
05:17:07perldiverits not really eq you know
05:17:26perldiverits just basic sound settings most of the users tweak
05:18:00goffawell i leave mine flat
05:18:05goffais what i mean
05:18:12goffabut that's hardware eq from what i understand
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05:20:35perldiverit is
05:23:23ZerapheDoes Rockbox support symlinks?
05:23:52goffai want to say no
05:23:56goffabut am unsure
05:24:05ZerapheI wanted you to say yes...
05:24:14ZerapheOne way to find out, I guess.
05:24:16goffawell i figured :)
05:26:51ZerapheHmmm. Apparently FAT doesn't, so it's a moot point.
05:27:16goffaah... one instance where i'm not happy i'm right
05:27:37goffabut then i guess i don't really care all that much
05:28:04ZerapheHaha. It would make it easier to dual boot with Apple and Rockbox.
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05:28:24goffayeah... got everything but apple here :)
05:28:45fasmaieperldiver: The treble/bass resetting would be an irritation
05:28:50ZerapheWhich iPod?
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05:29:21perldiverfasmaie well its present
05:29:30perldiverprepare to get irritated :P
05:29:50*Mouser_X rarely uses treble/bass.
05:29:56fasmaieHow about the EQ, does that work?
05:29:59perldiverof course
05:30:16fasmaieAnd save settings?
05:30:17perldiverso i set my eq the way i dont have treble/bass with
05:30:32perldiveryes it saves
05:30:34fasmaieOk, that would work for me
05:32:19perldiverand you can also save a cfg file with all your EQ settings
05:32:30perldiverwhich you can recall after reset etc
05:32:52perldiverbut people are complaining about bass/treble
05:33:10Mouser_XThat's 'cause they just like to complain.
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05:37:19Nimdaerockbox just locked up doing a rewind
05:37:35Nimdaeoh wow
05:37:39Nimdaethat was weird
05:37:49Nimdaei pressed the left to rewind again, it continued rewinding
05:37:53Nimdaei let go and it played
05:44:48AbcminiuserWTF indeed.
05:46:12Nimdaei went to rewind again (seek backwards), and when i let go it went to the beginning of the playlist
05:46:45AbcminiuserWhat platform, out of interest?
05:46:57Mouser_XiPod, as I recall.
05:47:05Nimdaeipod 5g
05:47:36AbcminiuserI've had no problems with my 4G after using the CPU3 patch
05:47:47AbcminiuserWIthout it, my 4G would lock up quite frequently
05:48:20Nimdaei'm using the latest cop patch
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05:48:46Nimdaewhat's the fs# of the patch you're using?
05:48:52AbcminiuserIt's a patch that disabled CPU frequency scaling
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05:49:05AbcminiuserI can find a link if you really want, but it's a tiny patch
05:49:15Nimdaeno need, i know how to manually disable it
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05:49:15AbcminiuserWorks great, although it knackers the battery life
05:49:26Nimdaei actually have 2 firmwares for testing with it disabled
05:49:37AbcminiuserI've been wondering why scaling the CPU locks it up
05:49:42Nimdaebut it's mostly for testing the cop patch
05:49:46AbcminiuserSurely it would just slow down the interface/
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05:50:05Nimdaeit might be due to the coprocessor not being properly worked with
05:50:33AbcminiuserI thought the iPods' coprocessor wasn't used at all yet?
05:50:49Nimdaeit's been found that it was running even if it wasn't used
05:51:10AbcminiuserIn any case, why would slowing the main processor cause freezes at random intervals?
05:51:16AbcminiuserAs opposed to just lagging?
05:51:35Nimdaewell, the coprocessor and its interaction with the main cpu is still a bit of a mystery
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05:52:05perldiverdo you have porblems with long accessing times?
05:52:14rushfanSo does anyone know how close they are to getting rockbox running on the 80gb?
05:52:15AbcminiuserIncidentally, what type of processor is the coprocessor? Main's an ARM, I know that...
05:52:16perldiverwith f60 fulled to the brim
05:52:33goffahaven't encountered any
05:52:48perldiverwhats the booting time?
05:52:49Nimdaeit's really just a second cpu
05:53:08goffagoing to file browser can take 1 second
05:53:13goffaat times
05:53:14Nimdaethe pp chip is a dual core chip
05:53:20goffabut i don't have dircache on
05:53:21perldiveri have an f60 right here, its really spinning that hdd up
05:53:38goffaobviously making a playlist takes a while
05:53:40perldiveri dont have any problems with f20
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05:54:16perldiverwhy you're not using the dir cache?
05:54:31goffahaven't turned it on.. lol
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06:09:05diozi have all my mp3's broken up into /music/artist - album/ is there any way to make it shuffle through all the different directories ? without making a playlist so when i shuffle it'll just... shuffle through them all ?
06:09:32goffadioz: go to root
06:09:36goffamake playlist from there
06:09:57goffaoh.. and make sure you have the recurse subdirectory option on
06:12:03goffathat's what i do
06:17:49diozso what is the 'database' then ?
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06:21:20puetzkdioz, the database is a fake tree structure based on ID3/vorbistag/etc info
06:21:21am4ndadoes anyone here know if rockbox can be used with the sony nw-e507 walkmans?
06:23:00scorcheam4nda: well, is it in the list of supported targets?
06:23:21am4ndano it isnt, but I figured it didnt hurt to ask
06:23:53scorchewell, if it isnt in that list, then why bother?
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06:25:54am4ndabecause it might be similar to some of the ones on there and someone might pick up on that and tell me how to give it a shot. I'm taking my answer is "no" then?
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06:26:21scorcheof course
06:28:11diozhmm database
06:28:14diozright on
06:29:37diozhah only down side i see to this is... anyone else who picks up my ipod will have no fucking clue what to do with it
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07:17:34goppwill rockbox work in my iphone
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07:17:41goppI just will preorder one
07:17:47jba_scubacoles, did you get the f20?
07:17:47perldiverpreoder 2
07:17:56goppfrom some cingular dealer
07:18:04goppas soon as they get them in
07:18:16goppI told if I could get rockbox to work on the apple iphone
07:18:18goppwell Id idn't say that
07:18:21goppbut that my plan
07:18:35perldiverif you do the port
07:18:38perldiverim sure it will
07:18:45goppI thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own.
07:19:43perldiverbut jokes aside, how can you ask a question about rockbox port for a device that oneone even held yet and wont until june
07:19:59goppjust asking in theory
07:20:07goppwill rockbox or could rockbox be supported
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07:20:18goppas I seen in your ipod port most or all ipods are supporte
07:20:50goppbeing most or allipods are supported, I assume using iduction logic, that this ipod, will be supported
07:21:03perldiverits called iphone
07:21:17perldivercatch a difference?
07:21:18goppbut I wanted to be use if my logic held any wieght by asking the authority (professional) at rockbox themself.
07:21:22Mouser_XThe hardware is almost garnteed to be different.
07:21:41goppbut it has ipod features granted it added a phone to it
07:21:45Mouser_XAs such, I see it very unlikely that they share enough resemblence for Rockbox to work on it.
07:22:03goppwell would could argue it an ipod with a phone
07:22:17Mouser_XFeatures are completely unrelated to whether or not Rockbox will run on it.
07:22:20Mouser_XIt's all hardware.
07:22:26Mouser_XThe hardware is different.
07:22:41perldiverits a phone running os x that has playing mp3 files as one of the features
07:22:49Mouser_XTherefore, Rockbox has *very* little chance of running on it.
07:22:50scorchethe iphone has already been released
07:22:56perldiverso yeah id argue, its not an ipod cisco
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07:26:48perldiverscorche apple is trying to make cisco to drop the name now
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07:27:06goppI tought I was going to ask my geek friends
07:27:12goppdidn't cisco and linkys come out with iphone
07:27:21gopphow di dapple get the rights to iphone
07:27:45goppdo you think the iphone will run any thing else beside osx
07:28:06goppare thier any cellphones that run anything beside the firmware and os from cell provider
07:28:25scorchewhat do you mean?
07:28:38scorchethere are windows CE phones, palm os phones, symbian phones, etc
07:29:05goppbut those are defualt oem os / firmware
07:29:11goppI mean like
07:29:23goppare thier any phones that people have hacked thier own os
07:29:27goppand still make work as a cellphone
07:29:47scorchepeople have made linux work on the palm ones and some of the windows ce ones
07:30:03goppand still be able to dial out
07:30:16scorcheno idea if they still can function as a phone though
07:31:17perldiver$600 for 8gb, no 3g, no wifi music syncing, no expandable mem and no removable battery is a bit harsh
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07:33:32gopphmm but it edge
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07:33:37goppedge is like 3g
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07:33:52goppand hmm can you synch via bt
07:33:59goppI will wait for third version
07:34:00goppof this device
07:34:05goppI never get apple first version
07:35:33goppif it runs osx then can it run skype
07:35:36goppfor osx
07:35:44goppor any of the open source voice programs
07:35:50goppthus no need for cingular
07:36:05scorchestill need cingular's connection
07:36:22goppeven for wifi
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07:36:37w1ll14mgopp: i don't think the will put osx on it......
07:36:39scorcheyou wont have contant wifi whereever you go...
07:36:50w1ll14mthe will have their own CE version ......
07:36:54goppI wonder if beachball would occur while trying to make a phone call
07:37:02w1ll14mjust like pocketpc....
07:37:08goppw1ll14m it runs on osx
07:37:12goppstevejob said so
07:37:14goppso does the webpage
07:37:33goppit would suck to have a beachball spnining while trying to call 911
07:37:34w1ll14mgopp: it does? or is it a portable package of osx ?
07:37:55goppnot sure
07:37:56goppbut it is osx
07:38:05goppwell obvilous is portable
07:38:07goppbut it osx
07:38:22goppit using widget as it ui
07:38:52w1ll14mgopp: hmmm they should publish more info..... i believe they have atleast a different platform
07:39:07gopphmm san fran know has free wifi city wide
07:39:18w1ll14mso if it's possible to run own applications you have to crosscompile them .....
07:39:31goppw1ll14m I think it may run xscale
07:39:32w1ll14mwell gotta go to work :) cya guys......
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07:39:37goppor what ever intell calls it
07:39:40goppk good night
07:39:55w1ll14m|awayehhh work ....
07:40:03w1ll14m|awayits 07:39 am here :)
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07:40:44goppOperating system OS X
07:40:44goppStorage 4GB or 8GB
07:40:54goppoh 5 hour battery
07:40:57goppoh that sucks
07:41:07goppUp to 16 hours Audio playback
07:41:18gopphmm won't say cpu
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07:41:41goppoh shit
07:41:41goppThis device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.
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07:46:26Zagorlinuxstb: (if you read the log) I have an AV320 for you
07:46:40Zagorping me later
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08:26:52*JdGordon uses crazy voodoo to get Nico_P in the channel....
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08:36:47amiconnHow do I check the binary flag with svn?
08:37:27amiconnIt seems 2 simulator bitmaps are missing the binary flag: UI-e200.bmp and UI-ifp7xx.bmp
08:37:33Bagder"svn propget svn:mime-type [file]"
08:40:28amiconnHmm, those 2 don't show up in the list. ALl others are application/octet-stream
08:41:00Bagderyou can set it with propset and then commit
08:41:15amiconnMy local copies aren't working (cygwin)
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08:41:23amiconnSo if I commit they won't work for anyone
08:41:29Bagderah true
08:41:52amiconn...and I already scrapped my cvs working copies
08:42:32amiconnHmm, my linux box should have working versions
08:42:55Bagdersome of the bmps are marked +x as well
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08:44:03amiconnHmm, the 2 bmps can be displayed on my linux box, but they're not correct
08:45:06JdGordonmorning guys
08:45:13BagderI figure we should make them binary first, then restore working ones from cvs
08:45:30amiconnAH, true
08:45:47amiconnAnd cvs can still be checked out...
08:46:26Bagderor we can pick it from an older daily build
08:46:30*amiconn checks out uisimulator
08:46:57Bagderthey should be in the source tarball
08:47:33JdGordonI got a question regarding the presently stalled settings patch. The reason its stalled is because maybe 90% of the settings do something after returning from the setting screen and moving this all is boring and slow work. Now, every time the setting screen exits settings_apply() is run, so is it OK to just put all the code run after the setting screen into settings_apply() ?
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08:49:32scorcheBagder: can you put onto please?
08:52:13bluebrotherhmm, some manual builds are broken. Seems to be corrupted png files
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08:55:32Bagderscorche: will do!
08:55:52Bagderbluebrother: probably the same kind of error amiconn is working with
08:56:20bluebrotherit also seems to like messing up with the file permissions ... I get this strangely for parts of my builds
08:56:21JdGordonnoone wants to comment? :(
08:56:32amiconnJdGordon: Most probably not. Most things which aren't done live while changing the setting are costly, otherwise they would be live
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08:56:52combrainsthis question's probably been asked about a million times in the past 24 hrs but ill ask it anyway...
08:57:01combrainshows the transition to SVN going?
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08:57:52JdGordonamiconn: yeah, thats what i was thinking, but the way its setup is costly stuff (like wps loading and such) are skipped anyway
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08:58:05safetydanoh how embarrassment
08:59:26GodEaterWebI take it that Dan on the list was you then ? :)
08:59:53scorchesafetydan: ouch
09:00:11safetydanthat's a me :)
09:00:28scorchehopefully, you dont use that password anywhere else ;)
09:00:36safetydanluckily it was randomly generated
09:00:38*Bagder hands safetydan the funny hat with the "it was me" sign to wear
09:00:39safetydangood ol' pwgen
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09:01:14Bagderscorche: done!
09:01:49*safetydan wonders where the Internet's undo button is
09:02:24JdGordonthats coming in web 3.0
09:03:42scorcheBagder: know where that third mirror comes from?
09:03:46bluebrotherhmm. How do I replace an ascii-conversion broken image file? Simply check in a new version?
09:04:03Bagderscorche: no idea
09:04:29*Bagder removed debian-1.6z
09:04:53*Bagder plans to offer the dl site with rsync
09:04:58scorchealso, if anyone can check the image, it would be nice =)
09:05:03Bagderto offer others to do complete mirrors
09:05:21scorchei tested it on my own machine of course, but it *could* be different on others...
09:05:49scorcheespecially the network connections
09:06:35JdGordonthe .m3u8 playlists rockbox writes, can they be handled like a regular ascii file?
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09:14:36amiconnBagder: I remember having read sth about pre-setting mime types based on extension in svn
09:14:38*petur congratulates safetydan :p
09:14:59bluebrotherok, there are 3 files broken by a conversion to ascii: ss-doom-220x176x16.png, ss-doom-160x128x2.png and ss-minesweeper-160x128x16.png which seem to have broken the daily manuals
09:15:01amiconnSince BMPs are so common in our repository, I think it'd make sense to preset a mime type for them
09:15:10bluebrothergot to go now so I can't look into it now.
09:15:16Bagderamiconn: I agree
09:15:27bluebrotheradd png if that is not predefined
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09:16:38Bagderthese errors are not because of that though
09:16:51Bagderthese are because cvs didn't have these marked binary
09:17:45JdGordonhas anyone got a unicode playlist with non-ascii filenames they can send me plase?
09:19:19*amiconn also wonders whether it would be better to set the real mime type instead of just application/octet-stream
09:19:26amiconncvs didn't know about mime types
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09:20:02BagderI guess that depends on what viewvc does with the mime-type
09:20:18Bagdersince for svn itself it doesn't matter if the file is bmp or png etc
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09:23:16JdGordonBagder: when the changelog script gets fixed for svn, would it be possible to change fs#xxxx to a link?
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09:23:32Bagdereverything's possible of course! ;-)
09:24:30GodEaterWebreally?!? Can we travel into the future to the point where we've fixed the 80GB iPod then please ? ;-)
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09:24:55JdGordonGodEaterWeb: didnt you see the message? it was fixed a few huors ago...
09:25:00JdGordonnot in svn just yet tho
09:25:12GodEaterWebJdGordon: nah - must have missed that one :)
09:25:13jba_hey hey\
09:25:15*JdGordon almost typed cvs then :p
09:25:20JdGordondamn habbits !
09:25:41scorchewas that a typo for hobbits?
09:25:56JdGordononly if you want it to be :D
09:26:32*Bagder managed to get into a really busy project this week to make the svn transition more interesting
09:26:51JdGordonhmm.... how do I tell svn to use a different username?
09:27:10Bagderallow the prompt
09:27:21JdGordonits askin for the password for 'jonno'
09:27:22Bagderit first tries your local name and then prompts you
09:27:37JdGordonah, ok
09:27:42amiconnYou can also use −−username xyz
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09:28:28JdGordondoes it ask for the password every time?
09:29:02JdGordon:) that would be enough for me to say go back to cvs :D
09:30:19JdGordonare the build scripts running yet?
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09:31:11*JdGordon be's very careful when commiting :)
09:31:47BagderI hope to at least do a test-run today
09:32:07Bagderstill only some 4-5 servers reported fixed
09:32:47amiconnBetter than 0
09:33:07JdGordonI'm getting my server rebuild hopfully this week, just aiting for my brother to get a new comp, so ill let you know when its ready
09:33:12Bagderand localhost is fixed and that is now a pretty fast beast
09:33:43Bagderit'll be interesting to see how that changes build speeds
09:33:47Bagderthat and the new fast net
09:41:17jba_badger badgerm, you prolly heard this a million times today, is the svn server ready for anaonymous check out?
09:41:50LinusNtime to retire the UsingCVS wiki page :-)
09:41:52Bagderwe need to get instructions all over updated
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09:46:21jba_badger, at least modigy .topic in here to indicate the transition is done then?
09:46:26jba_or is it still not done
09:46:27RedZZRis there a wiki page with the svn checkout instructions on? - (i've seen the one about merging)
09:46:35Bagderit isn't completed yet
09:46:49BagderI mean the transition
09:46:59BagderI don't think there's a single mention in the wiki about svn yet
09:47:25LinusNthere is that odd one with the local svn repo
09:47:37jba_what;s the checkout url and module ?
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09:47:58Bagder"svn co svn:// rockbox"
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09:48:34Topic"SVN transition still in progress. "svn co svn:// rockbox"" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
09:49:22RedZZRthanks, will give it a go
09:50:56JdGordonoh. does anyone mind if I change the default remote wps to include the album tag? there is one extra line on the iriver remote with the default font
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09:51:40*bluebrother doesn't see a reason for this −− the default wps doesn't fill the main lcd on iriver as well
09:52:43JdGordonI know... I'm asking because its been buging me for ages
09:52:55bluebrotherwhy not use a different wps? ;-)
09:53:29JdGordonOr, can I put the wps code into rockbox_default.(r)wps so it can be used as a base, (I know that file is never actually read)
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09:59:13Bagder5 more committers added
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09:59:49JdGordonhow many are there now?
10:00:06*scorche sneaks in an e-mail
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10:00:16JdGordonhow many were there on cvs?
10:00:16Bagderout of 60 something
10:00:24JdGordonhaha scorche
10:00:49jba_badger how many gigabeat devs on it now?
10:00:52*bluebrother just found out how to change the mime-type of a file
10:01:04jba_svn property bluebrother
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10:01:07Bagderjba_: only one in svn
10:01:10Bagderso far
10:01:20bluebrotherjba_: just found that out myself ;-)
10:01:31Bagdergreg white
10:01:36jba_aah, i've been using svn for over two yuears
10:01:42jba_so i'm a happy chappy
10:02:08jba_bluebrother, depending on your svn client, you may need to tell it to recursively set the property on all directories
10:02:26bluebrotheris anonymous cvs still running? I need to grab an old copy of those files or wait until I get home
10:02:34Bagderbluebrother: it still runs
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10:02:40JdGordonIf i'm working on a few different patches at the same time do I still need a full source tree for each like with cvs?
10:02:44Bagderand viewcvs is too
10:03:13BagderJdGordon: you can check out a single dir with svn if you want to
10:04:04jba_the one thing i'm yet to find is a svn web system that uses the php svn bindings, instead of needing to shell exec the svn executable
10:04:12jba_if you find one of those badger let me know
10:04:56JdGordonthats makes compiling hard... Can I do a checkout from the clean part of another local tree so i dont have t download the whole thing?
10:07:02*Bagder suggests reading the svn book
10:07:49JdGordon:( but its long and boring...
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10:08:01jba_jbgordon read up on svn switch
10:08:10jba_it's a great source
10:10:38bluebrotherso the mime-type property is svn:mime-type, right?
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10:21:08bluebrothergood. Looks like I managed to restore the 3 broken screenshots the right way :)
10:22:22bluebrothertoo bad this box can't build the manual. tetex way outdated ...
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11:28:07frogslegsheh, its nice to see dev's being told to go RTFM for a change :>
11:28:30frogslegssvn change and all
11:29:24LinusNa humbling experience ;-)
11:30:17frogslegsthe air is nice and fresh outside the ivory towers, where mosr us plebs live
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11:32:00Bagderivory towers are good
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11:40:17jbahey Bagder what's the significance of the mispelling in your nick?
11:41:03BagderI picked my nick some 20 years ago
11:41:14Bagderand then I misspelled it and then I kept it like that
11:41:21jbano as in, was it a typo or did someone else have the proper spelling?
11:41:26jbaaah cool
11:41:45Bagderit actually took me a while to even realize it was misspelled ;-)
11:41:50scorchehe does it just to make us confused in real life...
11:42:41*scorche constantly spells Bagder's name and badger the "wrong" way
11:44:46safetydanShouldn't the mime types for the images be set to image/png etc, rather than application/octet-stream?
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11:47:04CelticSoulguys, how to build ttk with hotdog?
11:47:47GodEaterWebwth are ttk and hotdog ?
11:47:59*GodEaterWeb suspects they're nothing to do with rockbox
11:49:23norbusanCelticSoul: put them into a pan, stir it on small fire for 20 minutes, add some sugar, and enjoy.
11:49:40CelticSoulnorbusan: thanks
11:50:11CelticSoulnow how to build rockbox firmware?
11:50:51bluebrother../tools/configure && make && make zip
11:50:59Bagderfirst you R, then you go over to T while slowly considering F and the adjacent M
11:51:19CelticSoulBagder, thanks
11:51:28Bagderreally, it is documented pretty good in the wiki
11:53:00CelticSoulok, so I must extract the zip file to music partition right?
11:53:12bluebrotherto the players root folder
11:53:31bluebrotherif you call that "music partition" then yes.
11:54:11CelticSoulis there anyway to make it work with IpodLoader2?
11:54:25Bagdersure, that can load rockbox
11:54:40bluebrotherit's documented on the wiki page describing the boot loader
11:54:41CelticSoulcause I already have a loader, I just want a firmware
11:56:18CelticSoulI dont mind reading the manual, just dont know which maual is right for me
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11:56:58bluebrotherwhich device?
11:57:35CelticSouliPod photo 60GB
11:59:25*bluebrother notes to fix that manual mentions only Color as matching device
12:00:09CelticSoulso rockbox.ipod is the firmware actually?
12:00:32bluebrotheryes, but it needs files from the .rockbox folder to work as expected
12:00:36bluebrothere.g. codecs
12:02:51CelticSoulok, got it
12:03:15CelticSoulthank you guys
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12:12:53jbahey guys, 2 line patch to fix bass/trebble saving and loading for gigabaet
12:12:57jbawho to send it to
12:16:54safetydanhrmm, chopper plugin runs out of menus after playing a few games
12:17:12jbaBagder, which gigabeat dev has commit access for svn?
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12:20:21Bagderjba: only gwhite at this point
12:21:07jbai gotta find him online somewhere
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12:25:22jbathe problem was exactly as linuxstb had said yesterday
12:26:19jbain apps\settings.c i needed to add defined(HAVE_WM8751) in the settings stucture
12:26:43jbaso i said two lines, it was really one line, i just put it on a new line, so I needed to do a \ on the end of the pre-processor line
12:27:32jbais there anyone else i can convince to commit that for me?
12:28:59daurnimatoranyone know anything about iphone internals?
12:29:13BagderI doubt that
12:29:16daurnimatorchipset? arch? vendor?
12:29:17GodEaterWebSteve Jobs ?
12:29:26Bagderavailabilty Q3, wasn't it?
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12:29:32RedZZRNot many people seen a real one yet...
12:29:35daurnimatorsurely some company has bragged that they make the iphone parts...
12:29:54daurnimatorits been on free to air news here for the past 3 days
12:29:58scorchethey say june
12:29:58daurnimatorand in every ad break
12:30:00GodEaterWebdoubt they'd be able to before Mr. Jobs launched it
12:30:02RedZZRApple will have an NDA with them....
12:30:10GodEaterWebnot just Apple
12:30:12daurnimatorshares go up or something :P
12:30:19GodEaterWebthat'd be "insider trading" stuff
12:30:30daurnimatoryou can't make a multimillion dollar deal, and not tell your shareholders :P
12:30:32Bagderthey went bezerk on samsung for telling
12:30:40Bagderso I think companies are careful now
12:31:18RedZZRI think the iPhone UI looks cool and very usable... maybe we should borrow the icons for a new Menu System for RockBox :)
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12:31:26daurnimatori love it
12:31:33daurnimator1, i'll have to use itunes
12:31:37daurnimator2, i can't use wavpack
12:31:40scorcheRedZZR: lets not...
12:32:49Bagderapple always do crippled stuff one way or the other and I expect no less with this
12:33:16linuxstb_daurnimator: Do you know how well archopen works on the AV320/340?
12:33:22GodEaterWebsince it's running OSX (according to their web page) it should be more extensible than an ipod I'd have thought
12:33:33RedZZRhow long before that UI appears on a Widescreen IPOD then?
12:33:35daurnimatorlinuxstb_: ask oxygen77
12:33:38Bagderlinuxstb_: did you see zagor's offer for a AV for you?
12:34:26daurnimatori've been in the tropics for a week or so
12:34:30daurnimatorany new stuff?
12:34:31jbahey linuxstb_ do you mind looking over/commiting a quick fix for gigabeat for me?
12:34:42thegeekGodEaterWeb: the os x part is probaby what I find most interesting
12:34:46daurnimatori've just got back and seen 200+ posts in my RSS on iphone
12:35:04linuxstb_Bagder: I did, yes...
12:35:30jbathat's the patch if anyone is interested in helping out
12:35:41jbalike I said, it's a quickie
12:35:49jbaokay sleep time for me
12:35:52jbagood night guys
12:35:52*scorche notes that it is "treble"
12:36:05jbadude, it's late, I've got a newborn and in need of sleep
12:36:13jbayou can allow me the mis-spelling can;t you?
12:36:32jbacatch ya round scorche
12:36:47*scorche salutes
12:36:51jbathere i fixed the spelling
12:37:07jbajba-mono/bass_treble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch"> now should know that i am just screwing with you ;)
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12:37:26jbai checked the code
12:37:29jbayou were correct
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12:44:50webguest24goffa: rkostynu got 15:30 hours on his F10, don't know what he got with the OF
12:45:22safetydanbah, so now I've fixed the menus in the chopper plugin, but the terrain isn't randomised anymore
12:45:30safetydanguess I won't be trying to commit that tonight
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12:48:18linuxstb_Anyone know if 160GB is the largest 2.5" drive currently available? Has anything larger been announced?
12:49:30Bagder"Fujitsu has launched a 200GB Serial ATA 2.5in hard disk drive "
12:49:33Bagdermarch 2006
12:49:42Bagderbut that's SATA
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12:53:57scorcheas far as IDE, 160 is the largest atm
12:54:32linuxstb_Seems Toshiba also have a 200GB S-ATA - MK2035GSS
12:54:32scorchealthough i dont see why they havent put out larger yet...they have 120 1" now...
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13:07:30CelticSoulguys, when I click on rockbox on my iPod, it shows ROLO loading... then the Rockbox logo and go back to the main menu
13:08:47Bagderyes, that's the rockbox firmware you then run (again)
13:08:58Bagderit's not a menu
13:09:02Bagderits a file browser
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13:11:26CelticSoulcan I browse other partition?
13:12:00d47are you talking about on the ipod?
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13:12:18d47the boot partition?
13:12:22GodEaterWeb <−− PortalPlayer in the iPhone allegedly.
13:12:28CelticSoulyes, I'm talking about the iPod
13:12:43d47are you in windows or linux?
13:12:53CelticSoulI have 3 partitions on it,
13:13:03daurnimator"SanDisk takes the cake today for handing out 1GB Sansa C240 MP3 players outside their press conference"
13:13:09daurnimatorfree C240s
13:13:22d47are you serious?
13:13:35d47thats close to oprah giving away wii's
13:13:35CelticSoulI mean, browse other partition on rockbox
13:13:54d47Celtic, oh i see, sry i have no idea
13:14:06Bagderno, that's generally not enabled
13:14:25markun_CelticSoul: I think you need to set a define and recompile rockbox for that to work
13:14:49CelticSoulok, will try that later, thank you
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13:16:53preglowhaha, i was just waiting for someone to spam the devlist with their password
13:16:55d47is it just me or is ati getting mentioned less and less in modern devices?
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13:17:27*Bagder brand new laptop has ATI graphics
13:17:41Bagder(add a 's wherever you see fit)
13:18:54pondlifeGodEaterWeb: In older news, seems more certain
13:21:07*preglow wants a brand new laptop :/
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13:22:26d47lol my laptop is broken in multiple ways, the screen *flops*, and the battery doesnt charge, so its a floptop that needs a powerpoint =/
13:22:29markun_linuxstb: black is showing up as dark-gray in the mpegplayer. gtkspert confirmed that this also happened in the UI sim
13:22:39BagderI'm happy with my asus f3ja
13:23:14d47i got a toshiba satelite A10 from leik 2003 or sumin
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13:23:53Bagder1.8GHz intel core 2 duo, 1680x1050 15.4" LCD, 120GB disk
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13:24:17Bagderdebian linux
13:24:36daurnthat took a while
13:24:43daurnmy computer had time to restart
13:24:44daurnand me make a cup of tea
13:24:51daurnbefore i timed out
13:24:56d472.2Ghz pentium M, 512mb ram, 15 inch 60GB ubuntu linux
13:25:12*GodEaterWeb notes that Nvidia has announced on it's own front page that it has complete the portalplayer takeover
13:25:17Nico_PBagder: i've gt almost the same :) asus f3jm
13:25:19GodEaterWeband the points people at :
13:25:33GodEaterWebwhich might mean a policy shift in information flow about portalplayer
13:25:38*GodEaterWeb is ever the optimist
13:25:47Nico_Pthe hi res lcd is really nice
13:26:14*GodEaterWeb has a 1920x1200 display on his laptop
13:26:32Bagderyeah, I have one of those dells here too
13:26:37*d47 hasnt even got that on his uber pc =/
13:26:40Bagderbut my asus lcd is nicer
13:26:42GodEaterWebironically that's higher than my desktop :)
13:26:58*Bagder has 4 computers in his room
13:27:03d47lol me 2
13:27:06Bagderworking from home is a blessing
13:27:08d47and a tv
13:27:14*GodEaterWeb has three on his desk here - and 3 at home too
13:27:21Bagderone TV and two settop boxes
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13:27:40GodEaterWebI did have six at home but I decided that was getting silly
13:28:04*d47 has gentoo, damn small linux & 2x ubuntu in his room
13:28:48Bagderyou won't get cold at least ;-)
13:29:06d47yeh its quite warm in here =/
13:29:07markun_and some embedded computers with rockbox of course
13:29:36BagderI'm a mere 5 mp3 players owner
13:29:45Bagderone of the little kids in this company
13:30:04d47i installed rockbox on my brothers ipod video but he just didnt get it, and made me put it back =/ he doesnt know what he's missing
13:30:42thegeekthe ipod software is not that horrible,P
13:30:56d47yeh but wheres the doom?? and the pokemon??!?!
13:30:56thegeekitunes is the biggest problem, but foobar2000 fixes that ;)
13:31:00thegeekah yes
13:31:19markun_I noticed a problem on my gigabeat: after leaving some plugins, some parts of the WPS have the background colour of the plugin
13:31:30markun_does this happen to anyone else?
13:31:38d47really? i havnt noticed that
13:31:55d47no mines relativly flawless
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13:32:33markun_My backgroundcolour is black, after leaving minesweeper the background colour of my progress bar in the WPS is gray
13:32:45d47ill try that now brb
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13:35:24d47yes markun i do also get that
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13:35:44d47havnt noticed it until now though
13:36:34RedZZRI think perl was mentioning it the other day, It seems to have appeared when the DMA code was introduced, also pacbox stopped working
13:37:22markun_can anyone with a non-gigabeat colour DAP verify that it only happens on the gigabeat?
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13:54:54linuxstb_markun_: I'm sure people would have mentioned that by now (WPS corruption) if it was a general problem.
13:55:58linuxstb_markun_: Regarding the "black is dark grey" problem in mpegplayer, the culprit will be the lcd_yuv_blit() function, but I've been leaving that function to others...
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14:43:57perldivermarkun interesting bug
14:44:30goffawhat bug is that?
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14:45:24gathhey there
14:45:38perldiver[07:31] <markun_> I noticed a problem on my gigabeat: after leaving some plugins, some parts of the WPS have the background colour of the plugin
14:45:43perldivermorning goffa
14:45:58goffayeah.. that is an odd bug
14:46:19perldiverprogress bar bug and now that
14:47:00goffayeah... on the progress bar on the unicatcher i just think that the progress bar and song title are too high
14:47:05goffaer next song title
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14:47:32goffaunder the codec there is that faded bar, i think that's where it's supposed to go
14:47:49goffaits just that it overlaps codec name causing pink to show
14:48:02goffabrb.. headed to work
14:48:17gathi tried to install rockbox, after the command "./ipodpatcher /dev/sda1 -r bootpartition.bin", i got the answer [ERR] Bad boot sector signature
14:48:22Nico_PJdGordon: still not there ?
14:48:23gathwhat does it mean?
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14:48:52gathi have a ipod 5G and use Linux
14:49:53linuxstb_You should use /dev/sda
14:50:03Juice^I also requested the data sheet for E200 and got the mail in reply to sign a confidential agreement :O
14:50:22BagderJuice^: did you get the agreement text?
14:50:37Juice^Bagder: yes
14:50:38gathlinuxstb_: yeah you are right, sda1 ist the partition and not the hd
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14:51:21linuxstb_Juice^: Are you allowed to disclose the NDA?
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14:52:48Juice^Bagder: Not really sure of what agreement text you speak of, but i got an standard confidental agreement document to fill out, with some information inside... copyrights etc. which seems to be an "november 2002 edition"
14:53:42davenlinuxstb_: you should probably use dmesg to find out what the ipod has actually been shown up as (on my system, as ther are multiple usb-key like drives, /dev/sda certainly would be wrong)
14:54:05linuxstb_daven: ipodpatcher has a -scan option...
14:54:24davenuseful :)
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14:54:46daurn[00:54:09] <daurn> hey
14:54:46daurn[00:54:17] <daurn> 60gb 1.8" drives annouced
14:54:46daurn[00:54:24] <daurn>
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14:54:46daurn[00:54:39] <daurn> (single platter)
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14:59:48UnleetWhat mp3 player is better, the Ipod or the Zune?
15:00:43UnleetJust asking.
15:00:48FebsUnleet: it really depends on what you find useful in a player.
15:00:53Bagderzune can't run rockbox
15:01:09UnleetI know it can't.
15:01:23UnleetBad battery in the zune, bigger screen though.
15:01:59UnleetI actually have the H1020gb with rockbpx.
15:02:10d47personaly i think ipods and zunes are both horible
15:02:52d47it doesnt matter what features it has when they use drm and restrict music formats
15:02:57Bagderthe AMS NDA is strict enough to render anything gotten under that contract as unusable
15:03:13Bagderunless someone wants them on their tail
15:03:38Bagder"The parties agree to keep all disclosed confidential information strictly confidential."
15:03:38d47they call this a feature: "Support for Zune Digital Rights Management (DRM) (incompatible with other DRM schemes)."
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15:04:39davenmeh. The design of the ipod is nice if nothing else. However, the DRM stuff is really quite bad, I'll agree.
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15:04:44dan_aBagder: may I see a copy?
15:05:57d47although i think that wifi is a great feature, too bad its only compatible with other zunes...
15:08:40linuxstb_daven: DRM on the ipods is completely optional, even with the Apple firmware...
15:09:18d47rly, im not very familiar with ipods
15:09:24GodEaterWebyeah, I've never downloaded a single tune from ITMS
15:09:31Bagder24 committers in svn
15:09:33perldiversound quality wise ipods are very mediocre
15:09:35GodEaterWebso all my ipod music is completely DRM free
15:09:53GodEaterWebno complaints about the sound quality on mine
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15:10:03GodEaterWebbut freely admit to lacking golden ears :)
15:10:30dwihnoIf I compare my archos experience with my ipod 5g, the archos runs around the ipod in circles (audio quality wise)
15:10:36GodEaterWebplus I don't use the stock headphones - got some flavour of Senheisser ones - don't recall which.
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15:12:03amiconndwihno: Comparing newer archoses (MAS3587F, MAS3539F), archos player (MAS3507D+DAC3550), irivers (UDA1380), X5 (TLV320) and ipod mini G2 (WM8711), the newer archoses have the best sound quality imo
15:12:06linuxstb_The 5g is accepted (afaik) as being the best of the ipods though (ignoring the original Shuffle, I don't know about the new shuffle). My Color is definitely lacking in that department.
15:12:29perldiver4g has a much better amp than 5g
15:12:40d47in what department?
15:12:48linuxstb_The sound department...
15:12:52|SuGerMan|where most u guys from ?? CA ??
15:12:54dwihnoamiconn: I've only tested the rec20 and ipod 5g :)
15:13:26|SuGerMan|i'm looking for a Canadian server ... anyone know where i can get hold of ppl from Saskatoon ?
15:13:52d47saskatoon lol funny name
15:13:55Bagdernow this seems veeeery Rockbox related ;-)
15:14:11|SuGerMan|sorry man ...
15:14:28|SuGerMan|just cant find any channels
15:14:28Mikachud47: there's a town called Woolloomoolo in australia
15:15:04phrozen77Mikachu: at least something you still can pronounce when youre drunken :P
15:15:25d47lol, i used to live close to galargenbone
15:15:31|SuGerMan|so i take it no one knows anyone in Saskatoon ?
15:15:51LinusNat least nobody dares to admit it :-)
15:16:32Mikachui'd say you're more likely to find geographical channels on other networks
15:17:07|SuGerMan|well i've been looking on other networks and most them are poo
15:17:09d47woolloomoolo sounds like something out of age of empires
15:17:09dan_aBagder: Thanks. It doesn't look very helpful, but it doesn't look like it would apply to us, as we're not "cooperating in the development of integrated circuits"
15:17:38GodEaterWebI wouldn't have thought many NDAs are GPL compatible :)
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15:19:00GodEaterWebwtf is he after canadians for? He's signed on from South Africa!
15:19:11Mikachuyou should have asked him
15:19:13LinusNmaybe he's homesick
15:19:23JdGordonNico_P: hey
15:19:28Bagderstandard canadian trick, they all do that ;-P
15:19:38GodEaterWebuntrustworthy bunch
15:19:44LinusNsneaky fellows
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15:20:07GodEaterWebpresent company excepted of course. *peers at fellow channel members*
15:20:23d47of course
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15:20:48Nico_PJdGordon: hi
15:20:57d47out of intrest what net speed are you all on?
15:21:05LinusNi'm on speed
15:21:12daurnnight all
15:21:30CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
15:21:30*Bagder is on a 24mbit adsl
15:21:30*GodEaterWeb searches for the infinity symbol
15:21:33daurnmay the night bring you all super...coding....abilities
15:21:35Bagdertheoretically 24mbit
15:21:43*LinusN is on 8mbit/s ADSL
15:21:51*Mikachu has 100mbit
15:21:58daurni'm on 512kbps adsl!
15:21:59*d47 is on a lowly 1.5mbps
15:22:13GodEaterWebdual 300 mbit here AFAICR
15:22:22JdGordonNico_P: hows things?
15:22:29MikachuGodEaterWeb: ∞
15:22:36daurnJdGordon: hi, and bye :P
15:22:43GodEaterWebI just knew someone would do that ;)
15:22:47Juice^fiber optical net here :)
15:22:51GodEaterWebI couldn't be bothered to load charmap :)
15:23:05Mikachui can enter it directly
15:23:06Nico_PJdGordon: not done much on rockbox... i'm on a project in CaML
15:23:13GodEaterWebALT+blahblahblah ?
15:23:21Mikachunot exactly, linux here
15:23:25GodEaterWebor are you claiming an actual button on your keyboard ;)
15:23:31d47i dont think we even have a single fibre optic line in australia =/
15:23:38Mikachua key sequence
15:23:41GodEaterWeb ah
15:23:45d47max net you can get in aus is 24mbps
15:24:03Mikachualtgr+= @ @
15:24:12d47max was 1.5 a month ago
15:24:24GodEaterWebˇ <−− that's what I get from that key sequence
15:24:32GodEaterWebor is there a space there too ?
15:24:46daurn[00:54:09] <daurn> hey
15:24:46daurn[00:54:17] <daurn> 60gb 1.8" drives annouced
15:24:46daurn[00:54:24] <daurn>
15:24:46daurn[00:54:39] <daurn> (single platter)
15:24:51daurnwrong paste
15:25:32GodEaterWebthat was still a paste though ;)
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15:30:02GodEaterWebseems the only way I can get it is from a paste - I wonder how you work out the correct key sequence for it
15:30:11*GodEaterWeb wanders wildy offtopic
15:30:16Mikachuthe unicode codepoint is 221e
15:30:27GodEaterWebyeah I see that
15:30:36GodEaterWebI just can't work out how that helps with a compose sequence
15:30:37Mikachutry alt+8734 then
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15:30:46Mikachuoh okay, you're not on windows
15:30:47GodEaterWebdoes that trick work in linux ?
15:30:52GodEaterWebno I'm not ;)
15:31:04Mikachuif you use urxvt you can press ctrl-shift+221e
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15:31:21Mikachuyou can add compose sequences in ~/.XCompose
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15:31:30GodEaterWebah - that's how it's done
15:31:32Mikachu<Multi_key> <at> <at> : "∞"
15:31:52GodEaterWeband all xlib clients then pick it up (eg. firefox) ?
15:32:05Mikachuput include "%L" on the first line to keep the standard ones
15:32:16Mikachuthey should, but gtk+ tends to ignore standards
15:32:25GodEaterWebnice of the gtk+ guys
15:32:47daurn??????????????????????????? !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~׃Ѫ++++−−+-+++−−-+i++_̯յݯ=
15:32:50GodEaterWebthat "we know better" attitude is annoying
15:32:57Mikachui think if you run with GTK_IM_MODULE=xim firefox it might work
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15:34:12Mikachuotherwise gtk uses an internal compose table for whatever reason
15:34:53pondlife Sorry couldn't resist trying it...
15:35:02GodEaterWebeditable in some obscure part of gtkconf somewhere no doubt
15:35:14*pondlife pastes wrongly too, ignore him
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15:39:04GodEaterWebha - gtk isn't even consistent with itself! According to a quick google "Compose+8+8" should do ∞ - but it doesn't you just get [[
15:40:12muesli__how can i understand the topic? is that an url?
15:40:25Mikachuit's a command
15:40:33muesli__ah ok
15:40:58muesli__are there no updates on anymore?
15:41:41LinusNthere will be, we are working on it
15:42:02muesli__oki...just curious..
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15:43:25Bagder"still in progress" actually means that the transition is still in progress
15:44:09muesli__well..i just look around every 5days..thus im not uptodate and what it means ;)
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15:53:50GodEaterWebI'm beginning to see a need for "Idiot's guide to the command prompt" somewhere in the wiki
15:54:03GodEaterWebor perhaps that's harsh
15:54:12GodEaterWebmaybe "Youngster's guide to the command prompt"
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15:54:48GodEaterWebFebs: hehe - beat you ;)
15:55:28FebsYou had an entire conversation with him while I was typing.
15:55:38JdGordondoes anyone know about kdevelop3 projects files? specifically, does the function/variable databse (or whatever it uses) get updated each time it is opened?
15:56:23FebsUse of the command prompt does seem to be a dying art.
15:57:13GodEaterWebI think it's already dead. Clearly it's not taught any more.
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15:57:46LinusNbrain usage in general is a dying art
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15:58:09GodEaterWebFebs: He still needed telling off for the subject of his post though. It was pretty piss poor.
15:58:56Bagder <= if more are interested
15:59:30FebsGodEaterWeb: I beat you that time.
15:59:34GodEaterWebBagder - you couldn't post it in the wiki somewhere could you - for some reason our proxy thinks your web page is something to do with hacking and doesn't let me read it :(
16:00:03*JdGordon loves laywer speak
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16:00:18Bagderthen try for the same text
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16:01:40GodEaterWebcue CGI IRC dumping me just as you post the link
16:02:02GodEaterWebchrist - that's full on legalese
16:02:23LinusNyess, and is full of illegalese :-)
16:02:27FebsThat's poor legal writing.
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16:04:35GodEaterWebamazingly, when using the command prompt in windows the "HELP" command is still quite useful
16:04:43GodEaterWebit's a wonder more people don't think to type it
16:05:11JdGordonhelp in bash seems helpful also :p
16:06:00*GodEaterWeb thinks we should make some modification to the forum software. As soon as the input field detects someone typing "Rockbox Error : -1", their web browser should take them to some garish page with a flash animation of a siren (complete with sound) accusing them of idiocy and not having read the manual properly.
16:07:26*LinusN needs to replace the -1 with "file not found"
16:07:29d47maybe instead of printing just "-1" you should direct the user to helpfull text
16:07:50d47or just fuile not found >.>
16:08:46GodEaterWeb"Can't find rockbox firmware. Did you read the manual properly?"
16:09:08d47"please refer to the manual."
16:09:14LinusN"please activate brain"
16:09:22d47"insert pin"
16:09:49Bagder./ runs...
16:10:05GodEaterWebis that the build server script ?
16:10:06preglowyou've gotta love ndas
16:10:16BagderGodEater_: yeah, the master build script
16:10:50dan_apreglow: No you don't!
16:11:03GodEaterWebis there somewhere on the wiki that's a quick guide to creating a buildserver - I did volunteer my home box but then never got instructions on what to do with it
16:11:34GodEaterWebor is that included in the svn checkout ?
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16:12:11Bagdernot updated for svn just yet
16:12:21preglowas is apparent from the name :>
16:12:24GodEaterWebI'll try to work my way round the cvs stuff ;)
16:13:31Bagderit seems to build...
16:13:34d47"preferably 2mbit or better network connection" upstream?/downstream?
16:13:54d47=( ok
16:13:56GodEaterWebonly have 576 upstream
16:14:01Bagderbut really, network speed is not the crucial part
16:14:11Bagderas long as you have a fast machine it helps
16:14:23d47australia hasnt got any plan above 256kbps upstream
16:14:30GodEaterWebbut I'll put this in tonight anyway
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16:14:38Bagderbut the build servers do upload the cvs zip files
16:14:43JdGordond47: ??? dsl+ is all above that, only cable is that slow
16:14:50Bagderso there are some ~1MB files getting sent to the master server
16:14:56d47jdgordon: unfortunatly not
16:15:21JdGordond47: im in melb... dsl2+ is supposedly 24/8mbit
16:15:40*JdGordon kicks his optus cable connection
16:15:52d47the max up is 384
16:16:21Bagder391 all done.
16:16:50GodEaterWebBagder - can you email me the rbclient key?
16:16:54JdGordonhmm... me was confussled
16:17:10BagderGodEaterWeb: certainly
16:17:17Juice^d47: and they're all with a max traffic limit aswell?
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16:17:36d47juice yer
16:17:50d47liberty is slowed at 12gigs dl'd
16:18:03GodEaterWebit'll be some hours before I get home to set it up of course - but at least I'll be prepared
16:18:05Juice^d47: its so sad
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16:18:18GodEaterWebI installed svn last night - and I've had ccache installed for ages (gentoo rules!)
16:18:54Juice^d47: but if you live in a warm and nice country like aus you shouldnt care too much off stuff like this :p
16:19:01Juice^grab your surfboard :))
16:19:14Bagder56 builds in 97 seconds (1mins 37secs) makes 1.7 seconds/build
16:19:23Bagderdoesn't look right...
16:19:28GodEaterWebthat's a quick server!
16:19:34d47juice: pfft, im afraid the sun will harm me in too many posible ways and any phisical activity will shatter my bones
16:20:09Juice^d47: riiight ;)
16:20:30d47juice: well... not really but you get what i mean
16:20:58GodEaterWebd47 is obviously Mr. Glass from that film "Unbreakable"
16:21:03BagderGodEaterWeb: we like servers that have all compilers and sdl installed... (hint hint)
16:21:19GodEaterWebBagder - I promise I'll put them all on.
16:21:25GodEaterWebI think I have SDL already too
16:21:33GodEaterWebI just need the SH compiler
16:21:43GodEaterWebthink I have m68k from when I was playing with my H140
16:21:49Juice^d47: uhu... some friends of me celebrated new years eve and did some surfing before they left aus... for the next stop at fijii :o
16:21:50GodEaterWeband I have arm now cos of the ipod
16:22:03GodEaterWebthey surfed all the way to fiji ? :)
16:22:10GodEaterWebthat's hardcore
16:22:29GodEaterWeba helluva wave too
16:22:37GodEaterWebsurprised I didn't see that on the news
16:22:53d47you did, it turned and hit new orleans
16:22:57Juice^you didnt see it?
16:23:10Bagderit is scary, but I do have 22 zip files created...
16:23:32LinusN0 bytes each :-)
16:23:40Juice^Bagder: upgraded hardware?
16:23:56BagderLinusN: they look fine from here...
16:23:56GodEaterWebLinusN: pessimist :)
16:24:12LinusNBagder: scary indeed
16:24:16JdGordonBagder: was make clean done bfore the runs?
16:24:48Bagderthey always "rm -rf *" before builds
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16:25:03Bagdernow I know
16:25:05Bagderthe math is wrong
16:26:35GodEaterWebooh - I feel I ought to mention my box at home has a nightly cron job (at 2AM GMT I believe) to update from the gentoo mirrors - so it might be a tad busy at that time of night. Is that still ok ?
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16:27:09Bagdersure, it'll just get less work if the others run faster
16:27:28GodEaterWebI could probably change it to once a week. Every night is a bit much really.
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16:27:54Bagderactually, it seems the build stuff works
16:28:01Bagdermostly at least
16:28:21d47nightly cron job... try doing that with a 1.5 net >.>
16:28:24*markun hates azerty..
16:28:52GodEaterWebd47: up till 2 years ago I was doing it on a 1Mbit link.
16:28:57GodEaterWebseemed ok to me
16:29:19d47you went from 1mbit to duel 300mb?
16:29:28GodEaterWebhahaha - no the dual 300 is at work ;)
16:29:38GodEaterWebI have 8Mbit at home
16:29:43d47oh ok gunna say
16:29:51d47i woulda spooged right on the spot
16:30:19GodEaterWebI wonder if I could convince my old friends at positive internet to host a build server...
16:30:30GodEaterWeb*their* network is sh!t hot
16:30:53GodEaterWebthey already host the UK mirror for debian
16:32:33preglowmarkun: azerty?
16:33:38GodEaterWebpreglow: french / belgian keybaord layout
16:33:42GodEaterWebit's horrid
16:33:44preglowsweet lord, they have their own layout?
16:33:51GodEaterWeblots of countries do
16:34:02preglowwell sure, but few rearrange the keys
16:34:05preglowthe basic ones, i mean
16:34:13GodEaterWebtrust the french :)
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16:34:23preglowi tend to disagree with that sentiment
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16:35:22GodEaterWebIIRC the . and , keys are the "wrong" way round on a swedish keyboard
16:35:35GodEaterWebhaven't used one for about 10 years though - so I could be wrong
16:35:36preglowswedes are always drunk
16:35:42LinusNand c old
16:35:55GodEaterWebthey look wrapped up warm most of the time to me
16:35:58preglowi happen to be that too :/
16:36:02GodEaterWebexcept in summer
16:36:10LinusNpreglow: always drunk and cold?
16:36:17*GodEaterWeb loved Stockholm in the summer. The girls......
16:36:23preglowLinusN: right now, regretably only the latter
16:36:26webguest72It would be nice if we could gather info on how to get started with reversing the Sansa e200 using IDA.
16:36:29webguest72Something like would be nice.
16:36:31webguest72Like how to load the decrypted .mi4 into IDA etc..
16:38:16dan_awebguest72: It's an ARM processor, and the entry point for the program is 0x0
16:38:53Bagder... if you cut the mi4 header
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16:39:23webguest72dan_a: Do you know the load address of the mi4? Is is one large chunk ?
16:40:55GodEaterWebBagder: any rough idea on the traffic a build server gets a day ?
16:41:30BagderI have no idea
16:41:31markunpreglow: yes, it's terrible, and it too me a while how to unlock the win xp keyboard layout changer (didn't even know that was possible)
16:41:54preglowoh, it is
16:41:55BagderGodEaterWeb: the primary data amount is the copying of the zip files (which is 22 out 56 builds now)
16:41:57preglowdamned fine feature
16:42:16*bluebrother frequently switches between german and english layout on this machine
16:42:18GodEaterWebavg. zip file size ?
16:42:27GodEaterWeband number of times a day it's uploaded ?
16:42:33bluebrotherif only the damn windows would make that globally and not application specific
16:42:47Bagder22 times per commit around, split on the various servers
16:43:14Bagderso if you're dead fast and unlucky, you can do 22 uploads per commit
16:43:44Bagderof course the server also 'svn up' for each commit, which sometimes can be some amount of data
16:44:01GodEaterWebwell - I doubt they'll give us an uber fast machine in terms of cpu - but we'll see
16:44:09GodEaterWebthey didn't say "No" which is always positive
16:44:12GodEaterWebexcuse the pun
16:45:09dan_awebguest72: Assuming you decrypt with -s to strip the mi4 header, it's one large chunk which gets loaded to 0x0 - but then memory gets remapped in the same way that the RB code does it
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16:46:44GodEaterWebwould there be room for a little positive logo under the sponsor bit if they donate something to us ?
16:48:13GodEaterWeboddly enough they have a similar colour scheme to rockbox, just inverted.
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16:58:24webguest72dan_a: I'm talking about the memory layout on the e200.. Typically flash is mapped to some address X (maybe address 0x0). When the device is started the bootloader have to decrypts firmware from flash to RAM. I'm wondering if you know this address?
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16:59:21Bagderwebguest72: the encrypted mi4 is stored in the nand flash, the "hidden" partition
17:02:04webguest72bagder: right, but the mi4 does not actually run from nand flash? it have to be loaded into the DRAM (32 MB) first?
17:02:31Bagderit gets decryped to sdram
17:02:37Bagderby the bootloader
17:05:51webguest72bagder: right.. so i'm just wondering what address the original firmware is loaded at in sdram.. because when reversing the firmware in IDA it's very nice to have it "loaded" at the correct address to follow absolute memory references to strings (etc) from code..
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17:06:31Bagderthe mi4 is put at address 0x0 in ram
17:06:37Bagderthe decrypted image that is
17:07:24webguest72badger: thanks
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18:02:20goppso no rockbox for iphone
18:04:07linuxstb_Give me an iphone, and I'll port Rockbox.
18:05:10lostlogicit already runs OSX, does it need a port?
18:05:21lostlogicI'm more interestd in porting to the wide screen multitouch ipod video.
18:06:58linuxstb_Or we could just finish the port to the current ipods...
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18:08:58bluey-lostlogic: yeah me too
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18:09:03lostlogichmm... yes, I sup;ose
18:09:30lostlogicbut the multitouch! (say I typing on my fingerworks touchstream)
18:09:46lostlogic(with the typos to prove it)
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18:13:00BohboheroHey all, hate to bother you guys, this is my first time installing rockbox on an ipod (4th gen Gray) I followed the instructions (i thought) and after installing the bootloader i got an error -1 (i didn't put the current build in the directory to start), after a couple reboots it gives me the error sadface and i can't seem to figure out how to force disk mode. Any help unbricking my ipod would be appreciated
18:13:31Mikachupress select+menu to reboot, then hold select+play to enter disk mode, i think
18:14:38Bohboheroi am doin that does it give a confirmation? It doesn't seem to be working for me. How long do you hold play select down? I am doing it right after reboot until i get the error and it doesn't seem to switch into disk mode
18:15:06Mikachumaybe it's select+left or select+right
18:15:20linuxstb_No, it's SELECT+PLAY on 4g and later.
18:16:01linuxstb_Press and hold it as early as you can after the reboot, and be careful not to move your fingers. You should see the screen change to a "do not disconnect" message within a coupld of seconds.
18:16:30phrozen77good idea -> <linuxstb_> Or we could just finish the port to the current ipods...
18:16:50linuxstb_phrozen77: Patches welcome :)
18:17:03phrozen77i'd write one if i'd be able to
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18:17:51BohboheroI hold select menu and after 4-5 sec i get the quick reset flashing lines thing i immediately press and hold SELECT and PLAY (Middle and Down) and it takes about 5-8 sec and then gives me the apple error splash screen
18:17:51phrozen77linuxstb: where are you from?
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18:19:09Bagderamiconn: since the builds are now mastered from another host, I have to re-arrange how the build tables etc are made, so it'll take me a little while longer to get that stuff up
18:19:35linuxstb_phrozen77: A small town in the middle of England.
18:19:49phrozen77ah - so sending you my ipod wont make much sense :|
18:20:35linuxstb_Why would you want to send me your ipod?
18:20:45phrozen77so you could hack away at it? :P
18:21:01linuxstb_It's OK, I have enough ipods.
18:21:05phrozen77or do you own a 5.5g 80gb?
18:21:25linuxstb_No, but I doubt I could help with that problem.
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18:24:53BohboheroLinux do i need to have teh ipod connected through USB when i enter it into disk mode?
18:25:06BohboheroI am trying to do it while its not connected
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18:27:48linuxstb_Bohbohero: It always works for me when it's not connected.
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18:28:52Bohboheroso i should be holding select play right when i see the apple logo yes?
18:29:53linuxstb_Yes, if not earlier.
18:29:56toffemarkun : are you there ?
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18:31:57toffeI have something strange, I load the last build yesterday and the mpegplayer doesn't play anymore the movie elephant dream but plays another movie that it didn't plays before ??
18:32:16bluebrothertoffe, is your elephant m2v?
18:32:29bluebrothermpegplayer changed, m2v isn't supported anymore.
18:32:33toffeit was working 2 weeks ago
18:32:42toffeI missed some logs
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18:32:54toffewhat extension now ?
18:33:02bluebrotherdownload a new version from
18:33:29bluebrotherat least mpg, but I don't know what formats are exactly supported
18:33:39toffeok, I will try tonight
18:34:15linuxstb_toffee: Read the PluginMpegplayer page - it's all explained there.
18:34:28linuxstb_(and sorry about the extra e...)
18:35:01toffeI read it quickly yesterday, I missed something
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18:37:15pixelmaLear: I know you analysed these things before... I have a strange 192kbps mp3 here which rockbox sees as 112kbps mp2 but is plays correctly. All PC programs I tried read the bitrate correctly - any ideas what I could try to find out what's going on?
18:37:21bluebrotherhmm, that ipodpatcher thing seems to cause confusion again and again. How about packing it up into the daily builds?
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18:39:34bluebrotherhmm, has rockboy enough ressources left to play music simultaneously?
18:39:59bluebrotheror is that task not possible?
18:40:02Mikachui guess on ipods and gigabeats it might
18:40:50Mikachui don't think anyone has planned to make rockboy use two threads, and gigabeats are pretty fast i hear
18:41:23linuxstb_bluebrother: I guess it's possible on some targets.
18:41:28Mikachumaybe ram would be an issue on ipods
18:41:50bluebrotherok, so this task is at least possible
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18:42:18LithiumTRHowdy all
18:42:41gopplinuxstb k
18:42:45goppwhat your address
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18:42:55goppso I can send you a iphone
18:43:08LithiumTRCan I have one too, gopp?
18:43:09BohboheroedSorry Linux i keep getting booted from IRC for some reason
18:43:18LithiumTRMaybe with a free car too?
18:43:19linuxstb_gopp: Just leave it in a brown envelope in the toilets at Kings Cross station.
18:43:24gopponly one for rockbox development team
18:43:41goppLithiumTR you realy want to port rocbox sweet
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18:44:00BohboheroedOkay so i got it to enter disk mode and it says "Ok to Disconnect" I connect it to PC and it changes to "Do not disconnect" it flashes for just a second on My Computer and then goes to the apple splash screen and disconnects and reboots
18:44:32linuxstb_Do you have itunes installed?
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18:44:58stevenmStupid question.. where is the SVN repo located?
18:45:05linuxstb_Check the topic
18:45:16stevenmok now i feel really stuid. thanks
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18:45:54LithiumTRstevenm, I share your pain - I ask obvious questions too
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18:46:44goppI got one question if iphones runs osx
18:46:50goppcan it run many or most osx programs
18:46:52goppin cocoa
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18:46:59goppif it a intel cpu
18:47:19TmanI'm trying to install rockbox for the first time, on linux, and ipodpatcher is telling me that the device is not an ipod
18:47:21linuxstb_Bohboheroed: I don't know, it always just works for me...
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18:47:36linuxstb_Tman: Use /dev/sda not /dev/sda1
18:47:43Tmanahh :)
18:47:49*linuxstb_ can read minds
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18:48:01Tmanprobably a common brainfart
18:48:10linuxstb_Tman: Out of curiousity, why did you think you needed to use /dev/sda1 ?
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18:48:24linuxstb_Yes, lots of people seem to think that for some reason.
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18:48:38LithiumTRI did the same as Trman, linuxstb_, the manual seems to read that way
18:48:51Tmanlinuxstb: I just wasn't really thinking.. it was automounted and so I saw was device it was from mount
18:49:10linuxstb_ipodpatcher −−scan would have told you the device as well.
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18:49:43Tmanlinuxstb: it was actuall sdb2
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18:52:58preglowamiconn: dunno if you read it, but the bishelf filter used for crossfeed isn't usable for treble/bass controls as is
18:53:34pregloweh, wrong windows
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18:55:07perl|workeh why people keep asking about rockbox on iphone
18:55:19perl|workwhy would you need a rockbox on it on the 1st place
18:57:14Tmandoes rockbox support flac?
18:57:23linuxstb_Tman: Beautifully.
18:57:35Tmangreat =)
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18:58:20Tmancan anyone recommend some linux ipod management tools?
18:58:36LithiumTRA terminal :P
18:58:51TmanI'd like something that does pod/vidcasts
18:59:08linuxstb_"cp" will happily copy podcasts...
18:59:25Tmanautomatically? :p
18:59:52Tmanyeah I'll look there
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19:00:22timofonicAre there any work about rockbox for Nintendo DS?
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19:00:45linuxstb_timofonic: No, but it sounds like a fun idea...
19:01:09*LithiumTR is away: Away!
19:02:20timofonicYes, I said it some time ago to a rockbox dev
19:02:54timofonicDo can I make a donation for helping a dev get a DS? I can't donate all the necessary money but some of it
19:02:54timofoniclike 20 euro
19:03:08toffeI think that if the Neo1973 from FIC had sound possibilties, it will be easier than Iphone to port rockbox :
19:03:10timofonicAnd maybe if publishing it online, others will donate for it too
19:04:23muesli-rockbox on iphone, that would be fun :)
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19:04:43perl|workwhy its fun?
19:05:13muesli-dunno..just the imagination
19:05:22perl|worki think a lot of people are really missing the point of rockbox
19:05:42Mikachuand of course the point is what you're using it for :)
19:06:01SoulDeaDwhat's the point, perl|work?
19:06:01TmanI don't see any potential for rockbox on an iphone myself.. stock looks excellent and you can develop on it while keeping the underlying OS anyway (so in other words, Doom can be ported to it :) )
19:06:22perl|workTman exactly, took my words
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19:07:13amiconnbluebrother: is not possible on any target with the current rockbox architecture
19:07:40amiconnRockboy needs to grab the audio buffer. Gameboy roms can be up to 4MB
19:07:47perl|workSoulDeaD the point is to set some of the mp3 players free who are crippled with stock firmware but can offer much more
19:08:13perl|worki this case iphone offers tons more than rockbox with stock
19:08:18SoulDeaDthat's why i use it :)
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19:08:41Learpixelma: some strange data in front of the file. Rockbox doesn't try very hard to find a "good" frame to read the bitrate from.
19:08:41SoulDeaDand iphone is a phone, not a mp3 player..
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19:10:29bluebrotheramiconn, ok, then I'll close it. If the architecture ever changes someone can re-request this.
19:10:35Cassandraperl|work - not so sure about that. Apple'll doubtless cripple the playback in the same way they do for existing Ipods.
19:11:04pixelmaLear: while playing that file in the sim I got the output: "Warning: skipping 4 bytes of garbage" between ID3 info and header - would it be worth to look further?
19:11:47LearCould be, yes. mp3check could perhaps fix it.
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19:13:20perl|workCassandra unfotunately, iphone even in it's "crippled" form offers a lot more options than rockbox
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19:13:55amiconnpreglow: Oh? What's the problem? Didn't you say first order filters are sufficient?
19:14:00perl|workplus what would you do part?
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19:14:13Cassandraperl|work, well I'll reserve judgement until it's released myself.
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19:15:29Galoisthe free-ness of the software is a major option that no apple product will ever match
19:15:39CassandraCertainly you'll have a lot more success phoning people with Iphone than Rockbox.
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19:16:26LloreanIs someone claiming the iPhone will offer more in the way of Audio options, or are they just lumping irrelevant features is as "things that make it better"?
19:16:37*Cassandra would actually quite like to port Rockbox to Iphone.
19:16:53CassandraWhether an Open Source telephony product is possible, I'm not sure.
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19:17:10thegeekofcourse it's possible
19:17:15CassandraThe phone companies don't like unauthorised software running on their handsets, apparently.
19:17:16Mikachuisn't there a project for at least one phone going?
19:17:19Mikachui forget the name though
19:17:28Cassandrathegeek, ok, practical then.
19:17:33thegeekah yes;)
19:18:02thegeekthe fact that it runs os x (and thus is unix-based) is probably enough to kill a lot of need(incentive) for open-source
19:18:02CassandraMikachu, I believe I saw something, yes.
19:18:21thegeekhopefully it will be open enough to run your own stuff (I'm probably too optimistic)
19:18:23CassandraSince we know nothing about the Iphone hardware platform yet, it's too early to say how difficult a Rockbox port would be.
19:18:35Mikachumight be this one
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19:18:37thegeekit's supposed pp-based
19:18:41GaloisUnix does not make up for open source. An open source platform is much more flexible than a mere unix-based platform.
19:18:48thegeekGalois: indeed
19:18:56thegeekmy point is that if you can run your own stuff
19:18:59Mikachu(lucky me the second from top post on planet kernel mentioned it :)
19:19:01thegeeka lot of people will probably not care
19:19:03Cassandrathegeek, "it runs MacOSX" is pure marketting, I'm sure. It's no more MacOS than Windows CE is Windows.
19:19:15CassandraAt least that'd be my bet.
19:19:15thegeekwe'll see
19:19:20thegeekdon't kill my dream;)
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19:19:42thegeekit might very well be a slimmed down version
19:19:57HardDisk_WPhas anyone a link for the disassembling tools for iPod firmware
19:19:58perl|worksoftware part aside, it would be a scratch fest and has anybody ever tried to use phones with touch screens?
19:20:04perl|workits nightmate of sorts
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19:20:19thegeekapparently a lot of work went into that
19:20:27thegeekthe only thing that sucks is no tactile feedback
19:20:31CassandraThere are disassembling tools? Try the Ipodlinux people.
19:20:35thegeekwhich really is pretty important
19:20:37GaloisI believe the hardware will be decent. Certainly it is possible to make a touch screen far superior to the existing crappy touch screens.
19:20:39Lloreanperl|work: It's supposed to have a sensor to disable the touch-aspect when it's near the face.
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19:20:43thegeekHardDisk_WP: ida pro
19:20:46thegeekit's not free
19:20:56HardDisk_WPthegeek, i heard from gnu tools for it
19:21:06HardDisk_WPbut cant find anythin
19:21:13thegeekafaik ida pro is really superior
19:21:20thegeekmight just be objdump?
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19:22:09HardDisk_WPthegeek, i dunno
19:22:17toffecheck this
19:22:57toffethe neo1973 seems to be a good target for rockbox, not expensive and open
19:23:20thegeekbut why?
19:23:24lowlightodd that they crippled the iphone over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine
19:23:43lowlightthought they would have learned from the zune
19:23:52Cassandratoffe, I'm not sure that's too meaningful. A lot of phones have quite similar featuresets.
19:24:10thegeekand that list is not that similar;P
19:24:17Lloreanlowlight: I suspect that the WiFi features will expand with time.
19:24:30LloreanI see it more as a "let's see how little we can get away with giving them now."
19:24:31toffeCassandra : yes but this one is use open source software
19:24:43LloreanSadly in many cases people are just as happy with an un-cripple upgrade as a real upgrade.
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19:26:00Cassandratoffe, yes - I might be tempted to acquire one of those to examine the feasibility of porting Rockbox to a Smartphone.
19:26:32lowlightmaybe...don't know why itunes isn't on the iphone is running osx
19:26:42CassandraDepending on cost.
19:27:27CassandraHmm. $350. That may be too much.
19:27:31Lloreanlowlight: They already tried iTunes on a phone, it didn't do as well as they hoped.
19:27:35lowlightsomeone just needs to figure out how to run homebrew software on it
19:27:42timofonicAbout rockbox on Nintendo DS... can I do a specific donation for it? I mean a bounty
19:27:57timofonicA Bounty for buying a Nintendo DS plus some flash cart to an interested developer
19:28:08timofonicLike SuperCard or M3
19:28:21LloreanA Nintendo DS is a bit of a strange target for it.
19:28:34lowlightLlorean: that was pre-wifi
19:28:34Mikachuaren't there already things for nds that play mp3s and whatnot?
19:28:46timofonicNot too strange, it can work as a great media player
19:28:56Cassandratimofonic, I have a DS. I'm vaguely considering getting a NinjaDS and playing.
19:29:04timofonicMikachu: Yes, but not supporting the number of audio formats of rockbox
19:29:09CassandraI'm not hugely experienced on the hardware side though.
19:29:20CassandraAlso I have a short attention span.
19:29:42timofonicWell... it's possible to starting a NDS port bounty? Any interested dev?
19:29:47LloreanI would honestly skip the DS. Unless there's some way to improve the sound quality drastically, you can hear a lot of electronic noise.
19:29:57CassandraOther than me? I have no idea.
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19:30:12timofonicLlorean: Are you sure of it?
19:30:34timofonicLlorean: Do you mean NDS has too noisy sound?
19:30:38LloreanSure of what? The noise? Certainly, I've experienced it with three DSes, though it seems to be reduced (but not gone) on the Lite.
19:30:54timofonicOn the Lite? It looks it
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19:31:04LloreanLooks what?
19:31:06timofonicI must check that a bit more
19:31:16timofonicI didn't hear noise on the NDS Lite of a friend
19:31:49*Cassandra hasn't heard noise on my Lite.
19:31:56lowlightthis almost looks like a rebadged sansa
19:32:29LloreanCassandra: It's horrible on the original DSes, on the Lites I've only noticed it a few times with specific headphones.
19:32:49LloreanAnd of course you can't hear it at all with the builtin speakers.
19:32:49*Cassandra only has decent headphones.
19:33:07Cassandra(Well, I have a pair of standard Ipod phones too, but I've never used them.)
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19:33:54lowlightlookie here:
19:34:03lowlightintel inside
19:34:27LloreanEither way, I'm not really a fan of Rockbox-as-an-app ports anyway, I think.
19:34:31timofonicLlorean: Do you have Grado headphones? Hehe
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19:35:05timofonicLlorean: It seems you are a bit audiophile, probably using lossless audio formats
19:35:58Cassandralowlight, I love how the Apple hype machine works.
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19:36:04Lloreantimofonic: No, I use lossy formats.
19:36:11timofonicLlorean: ok
19:36:15LloreanBut I also listen to quite audio in quiet places.
19:36:29LloreanOn the DS classic, the noise overwhelmet the audio with in-ear phones. It was very, very bad.
19:36:33CassandraAgain I'd lay money that that's an Intel embedded chip which isn't even x86 instruction set.
19:36:39LloreanOn the DS lite, it's not nearly as bad, but it's still a concern.
19:36:52preglowamiconn: first order filters in general are sufficient, it seems, but i need to make one tweaked for the purpose
19:37:16CassandraApple really aren't half as cool as they make out.
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19:37:55peturthe gui and usage looked nice tho
19:37:58CassandraBut they have this entire industry drooling over rumours.
19:38:09timofonicCassandra: I doubt it, porting MacOS X to ARM could be a pain in the ass for the company
19:38:32CassandraThey announce a smartphone, and manage to get everyone to go .... ooh, ooh, it's so revolutionary.
19:38:35preglowit's probably mostly c/c++/cobj anyway
19:38:41FebsI found this thread was amusing in light of the discussion earlier today about the lost art of the command line:
19:38:52timofonicCassandra: It was more probably being an PowerPC chip than ARM, ARM is not power enough for that beast and even less because the effort of porting MacOS X to another platform is HUGE
19:38:54Cassandratimofonic, I'm pretty sure Intel have non-ARM embedded chips.
19:39:11timofonicpreglow: MacOS X port to X86 took years
19:39:29timofonicCassandra: Yes, i think they have X86 ones
19:39:57Cassandratimofonic, but it won't be MacOS. It'll be a stripped down API compatible OS of its own.
19:40:05Lloreantimofonic: You also make the assumption that it's full OSX.
19:40:14timofonicCassandra: Even intes has a license for producing PowerPC, it's more probably to using a PowerPC instead ARM
19:40:17CassandraThink a Windows CE equivalent.
19:40:33preglowtimofonic: i doubt all that time was development time
19:40:36LloreanRegardless, speculation is *pointless*
19:40:42timofonicLlorean: Not, but I see more probable they use X86 or PowerPC
19:40:49Cassandratimofonic, I'm pretty sure Intel have in-house embedded silicon.
19:40:52Lloreantimofonic: Based on nothing but your own beliefs.
19:40:54timofonicLlorean: it can be funny ;)
19:40:54GodEaterFebs: yeah - made me roll my eyes too
19:41:29LloreanSeriously, the internals of the phone could really be anything at this point. Same with the operating system.
19:41:50GodEaterdo we think that link I posted earlier that said it was an ARM is a fib then ?
19:41:51timofonicLlorean: I hope guys hack it and install Linux on it, hehe
19:41:58CassandraI do wonder what's going to happen to Rockbox in the days of the convergent device.
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19:42:12lowlightisn't osx kernel based on freebsd
19:42:18LloreanGodEater: Not necessarily a Fib, but there's no guarantee they were properly informed.
19:42:19timofonicCassandra: Yep, that can be a problem for Rockbox
19:42:28GodEaterLlorean: true
19:42:34CassandraWill we be able to make the leap to a fully fledged embedded OS with an emphasis on media IO?
19:42:43CassandraWill we even want to?
19:42:43timofoniclowlight: Not exacttly
19:42:48GodEaterCassandra, why would we ?
19:42:58GodEaterif the devices offer a decent enough OS, we wouldn't have to
19:42:59timofoniclogbot: Darwin is based in Mach microkernel mainly
19:43:05GodEaterwe'd just write a "media player" app
19:43:10LloreanCassandra: I don't know if we need to. On a full fledged embedded OS, Rockbox can move to application, an enhanced version of the simulator.
19:43:19GodEaterLlorean: snap :)
19:43:24CassandraGodEater, because if Rockbox remains as is it'll only be worth running on historical devices in a couple of years.
19:43:38CassandraConvergence is where it's at in portable devices.
19:43:42LloreanBut at the same time, I'm not sure if Convergence is going to last.
19:43:42timofonicGodEater: Then Rockbox in the future will be a media player app for portable devices?
19:43:54GodEatertimofonic: it's possible
19:43:58GodEaterbut who knows ?
19:44:01CassandraIn five years time, we'll all be carrying one device that's a phone, pda, mp3 player and games console.
19:44:14LloreanIt's popular right now, but I think some convergence is bad. I still really don't like mixing my media device with my phone.
19:44:15*amiconn shrugs
19:44:18CassandraIt's part of why I'm interested in ports to the Nintendo DS and smartphones.
19:44:28timofoniclogbot: Darwin is built around XNU, a hybrid kernel that combines the Mach 3 microkernel, various elements of FreeBSD 5 (including the process model, network stack, and virtual file system), and an object-oriented device driver API called I/O Kit. [1]
19:44:30LloreanI want my entertainment to be separate from my duty, in terms of hardware and battery life.
19:44:32GodEaterI'm not really interested in convergence myself
19:44:35timofonic( from )
19:44:39GodEaterI want a device that's good at it's job
19:44:43GodEaternot sucky at lots of them
19:44:46Cassandraamiconn, and a lot of people won't care.
19:44:46LloreanSo, Phone/PDA/Camera? and then a separate MediaPlayer
19:45:00CassandraBut I'd still like to be running Rockbox on whatever I have in my pocket then.
19:45:03CassandraSo I do.
19:45:21preglowi just want a dap
19:45:45LloreanI'm hoping that if I take care of it I'll still be using my H120 in 5 years.
19:45:57LloreanWell, H180+ by then, but still.
19:45:59CassandraI want a DAP and a phone and a PDA and a GPS. If it also plays games, I won't be unhappy.
19:46:01Mikachucameras in phones is stupid too, you want small phones, but cameras with good optics
19:46:14timofonicCassandra: But Rockbox must evolve a lot then and becoming a serious competitor to those players found in those jack of all trades devices (probably it will be easy)
19:46:21CassandraYeah, I suppose it can have a camera too, if it must.
19:46:25timofonicCassandra: ScummVM :D__
19:46:29LloreanMikachu: I actually have more use for a "relatively crappy camera, that isn't separate" than a real camera.
19:46:40Cassandratimofonic, killer app for me, yeah. ;)
19:46:48Mikachui guess, but people will still want real cameras
19:46:59LloreanAnd I think good cameras will always be a product.
19:47:06GodEateryeah - the macro mode on phone cameras is dire
19:47:14CassandraMikachu, true, but not I think seperate MP3 players.
19:47:21amiconnThe problem is that all phone manufacturers seem to think that the crappy camera addon is a must :(
19:47:21GodEateralthough otherwise I can't complain about the camera on my N73
19:47:23GodEaterit's very nice
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19:47:39CassandraOnce solid state hard drives take off, there'll be no reason not to play MP3s on your phone.
19:47:49Cassandra(Other than "Rockbox doesn't run on it")
19:47:52LloreanCassandra: For me, battery life still.
19:47:54amiconnI'd rather want a phone without such crap, which is smaller than today's phones
19:48:13lowlighttimofonic: just meant that it might not be difficult to port the kernel to arm processor. I would guess the gui is all new for the iphone.
19:48:22LloreanI've often got several days where I can't charge a device, and I'd rather not have to extremely temper my music listening just to be sure of phone availability in an emergency or if I just want it.
19:48:23Cassandraamiconn: I find my Motorola V3 to be a very sensible size for a phone.
19:48:33CassandraI'd be happy with anything in that form factor.
19:48:44CassandraAnything smaller and the keys etc are hard to reach.
19:48:50Cassandraerm, press.
19:48:54GodEaterthe PEBL isn't bad either
19:49:02timofoniclowlight: I doubt they were ported Darwin to another architecture, quite probably is X86
19:49:02amiconnI liked my SonyEriccson T600 more than any newer phone I saw
19:49:05GodEaterin terms of form factor that is
19:49:16*GodEater likes Nokia's running Symbian OS
19:49:49Lloreanamiconn: The T600 is basically my ideal form factor for a phone. Well, the T616, but if I recall they were similar.
19:50:00*timofonic is scared of Symbian OS, too buggy, but even more scared of Windows CE/Mobile
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19:50:18Mikachui have a k310i, it's okay but the interface isn't completely thought through
19:50:20GodEaterbuggy ?
19:50:22GodEaterin what way ?
19:50:24Lloreantimofonic: Windows Mobile, the one running on the new HTC phones, actually isn't bad.
19:50:32CassandraThe software on the V3 is a pile of crap.
19:50:34GodEaternever experienced a bug in it to be honest
19:50:51timofonicGodEater: Be Symbian OS my friend... it can fall or can crash...
19:50:52CassandraIt's still less crap than the SE Z600/T68i software though.
19:51:09GodEaterit's never crashed on me *ever*
19:51:13amiconnLlorean: Not at all.
19:51:16GodEaterand I've owned symbian phones for the last three years
19:51:22timofonicI've seen crashes on Symbian OS a lot
19:51:32CassandraThe V3 ranks as useable, kludgey crap. Which is about a notch or two below Rockbox.
19:51:33amiconnThe T600 is _significantly_ smaller, has a monochrome screen and no crappy camera
19:51:44amiconnThe only drawback was that it didn't support gprs
19:51:46timofonicI think Nokia will kill Symbian soon, Linux is getting more on phones
19:52:00GodEatertimofonic: I disagree
19:52:03preglowgprs i wouldn't miss,
19:52:03CassandraRockbox ranks as "useable kludgey non-crap" for reference.
19:52:09amiconnLlorean: T616: 95 grams, T600: 60 grams
19:52:10Lloreanamiconn: I was thinking of another phone apparently.
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19:52:21Lloreanamiconn: I like my phones a bit bigger. I have giant hands.
19:52:28timofonicGodEater: Why?
19:52:30amiconnThe T616 is heavier than my very first mobile phone...
19:52:31*Llorean likes the giant "duke" XBox controller
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19:52:46GodEatertimofonic: I know a lot of people that work for both Nokia and Symbian - so I have inside knowledge :)
19:52:49timofonicGodEater: Are you a Symbian OS fanatic? :)
19:53:01GodEaterI wouldn't call myself a fanatic. I do like it though.
19:53:04timofonicGodEater: I know people too, but that's different
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19:53:23CassandraI also like flip phones. Proper "curves around the face" feeling, and big buttons, plus no dialing people by mistake.
19:53:24timofonicGodEater: I know people working on the Linux stuff for Nokia 770-800...
19:53:44timofonicGodEater: Maybe not soon, but in the long future it will be
19:53:48Slasherii hope symbian gets killed too, it should never have been implemented
19:53:49GodEaterI like the look of the new flip phone from nokia too
19:53:59timofonicGodEater: I see Nokia 770-800 a bit like a market experiment
19:54:01GodEaterthey're finally getting slim enough to be useable
19:54:08Slasheriit's the worst nightmare for a developer
19:54:17timofonicSlasheri: Yep
19:54:23GodEaterah well - I've never tried implementing anything for it
19:54:26GodEaterso I wouldn't know ;)
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19:55:52GodEaterthe next thing in phones is going to be GPS it seems
19:56:33Lloreanamiconn: I was thinking of the similarity from the 637 back down to the 616. I thought it was 616->600, not 637->600.
19:56:42LloreanErr 637->616
19:56:46*Llorean hates all these numbers
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19:58:40Slasherihmm, can we still commit to cvs or is svn now the only way to go?
19:58:55GodEatersvn only
19:59:09GodEatercvs commits were disabled last night
19:59:24Slasheriok, nice
19:59:42Slasherii should prepare for the svn then :)
19:59:53GodEaterbe an idea :)
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20:02:53FebsSpeaking of convergent devices and buggy software, I upgraded my version of Agendus (calendaring program) on my Treo 650 today. It crashed while I was entering the registration key. That *can't* be a good sign.
20:03:10GodEaterit doesn't inspire confidence certainly
20:03:45*GodEater rolls his eyes at the latest post in the sansa port thread on the forums
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20:06:33FebsGodEater: I just deleted that post.
20:06:34*Cassandra drops a mail to the 1973 people.
20:06:46Febsand PMed the poster with the solution to his problem.
20:06:46CassandraWho seem to be calling themselves OpenMoko.
20:06:52CassandraI suppose that means something to someone.
20:07:05GodEaterFebs: lets hope he understands it =/
20:07:42FebsI made it as clear as possible.
20:07:52CassandraFancy naming a phone after the year of my birth.
20:07:55CassandraHow did they know?
20:08:02FebsIf he doesn't understand the PM, then he wouldn't have understood any responses within the thread anyway.
20:08:38CassandraIf only it were possible to delete the posters too, eh?
20:08:47GodEaterhe's a little foolish installing a development build on a device he owns if he can't understand the language the instructions are in
20:09:40FebsWe can delete the posters too, if we want to ...
20:09:40GodEatersame year as my birth too
20:09:52GodEaterI figure Cassandra means "delete from existence"
20:09:56FebsIt's a power we try to use sparingly. ;)
20:09:57GodEaterrather than just their accounts ;)
20:10:39*Cassandra nods.
20:11:03GodEaterI'll have to watch out incase Febs ever decides to "send the boys round" then if he has that power :)
20:11:04CassandraI'm a great believer in "you must be at least this smart to join the human race".
20:11:19GodEateryeah - take the safety labels off stuff
20:11:26GodEaterit would raise the average IQ overnight
20:11:36*Cassandra needs to do more work on the installer.
20:11:49*Febs has a sudden urge to read the Darwin Awards web site.
20:12:01GodEateralready read this years winners
20:12:09GodEatertwo people in Florida won
20:12:14CassandraI got a bit disheartened by how obscenely complex it was to match a drive letter/filesystem location to a device.
20:12:18GodEatersuffocated themselves laughing in a helium balloon
20:12:35GodEateror helium blimp I guess
20:12:39CassandraI can only think that Microsoft made it difficult on purpose.
20:12:51GodEaterthey like giving people a challenge ;)
20:13:38CassandraI mean seriously. If you have a handle that relates to a USB device, why can't you just ask it "so where in the filesystem do you live then"?
20:13:58GodEateryou have to sacrifice a chicken first I imagine
20:14:08GodEaterupside down, with your head wrapped in a tea towel
20:14:40CassandraNo, no, you must enumerate two completely different sets of entirely different things then compare arbitrary information from each until you get a match.
20:14:50GodEaterlike I said ;)
20:14:54CassandraI haven't got it to work yet.
20:15:04GodEaterthis is in rbutil yes ?
20:15:14CassandraAnd I'm losing the will to live just thinking about it.
20:15:39GodEaterif you can point me at the file with the code in it, I'll get a mate of mine to look if you like - he breathes MSVC
20:16:58GodEaterand given he wrote the Rio equivalent of iTunes he's probably intimately familiar with the problem you're describing
20:17:01amiconnCassandra: Of course it can't be simple. An usb msd can have multiple partitions. These partitions can be mounted as a drive letter (even as multiple driver letters), they can be mounted on an ntfs directory, or not mounted at all
20:17:06CassandraThanks, but it's not the C that's the problem, it's wrapping my head around what all the insane twisty maze of little structs all alike that MS store bits of seemingly meaningless yet terribly important information in are.
20:17:28GodEaterI didn't just mean the C
20:17:34GodEaterbut if you change your mind - let me know ;)
20:17:40CassandraGodEater, ta.
20:17:42amiconnThe native device names should always work though
20:18:07amiconn...on NT-based systems at least
20:18:17Cassandraamiconn: what do you mean by "native device names"? Currently I can't even find those.
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20:19:39GodEatercareful you're not eaten by a grue while you're looking for it
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20:20:28JoeyCapeanyone here?
20:20:36Tmanisn't there a way to boot into the standard firmware with rockbox?
20:20:57perl|workTman yes
20:21:06JoeyCape can anyone help me with this error "DIR BUFFER IS FULL!" and i can't seem to see most of my files which are in folders.. =(
20:21:08Tmanwhat is it? ;)
20:21:15perl|workTman what target?
20:21:23Tmanwhoops, iPod video
20:21:30amiconnCassandra: I mean names like \Device\Harddisk0 etc
20:21:40perl|workTman did you try the manual?
20:21:49CassandraAh yeah.
20:21:56amiconnHere's some vb code I found regarding these:
20:22:06Tmanperl|work: I've been reading it but haven't seen it
20:22:14CassandraOh, yeah, ... /Device/PhysicalDisk...
20:22:27amiconndd for windows should have code for dealing with these names as well:
20:22:53JoeyCapecan anyone help me with that question?
20:23:02JoeyCapesorry to be a bother to you guys
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20:23:58MikachuJoeyCape: there is a setting for that, it's set to 400 by default
20:24:11JoeyCapewhere can i look out for that?
20:24:40Cassandraamiconn: I've definitely played with those functions. The problem is that I can't map from them to the info I can get about a USB device either.
20:24:52CassandraI may just be stupid. Who knows?
20:25:02Tmanperl|work: oh I thought there was a way to do it without removing rockbox
20:25:31JoeyCapeok i found it!!
20:25:39JoeyCapethank you Mikachu!
20:25:55GodEaterTman - there is
20:26:15TmanGodEater: know what it is on ipod 5g?
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20:26:48Tmanperl|work: thanks
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20:28:08shrizzaSo... Is the freq scaling bug fixed yet?
20:28:23JoeyCapeIt still puts the same DIR BUFFER IS FULL error after i changed the max files in directory to 10000
20:28:36Mikachuyou have to reboot rockbox after changing it
20:28:41Mikachui think
20:28:46JoeyCapei did and it changed back to 400
20:28:57Mikachuhow did you reboot?
20:28:57JoeyCapethen i set it back to 10000 again and it didn't work
20:29:49JoeyCapeany ideas on how to?
20:30:08JoeyCapeor issit because my ipod has only 723mb of space left?
20:30:17Mikachuyou want to hold down play for a few seconds
20:30:20Mikachuthen press menu to start again
20:30:27JoeyCapeok i'm tryin that now,,
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20:30:51JoeyCapewooopeee it works!
20:30:51shrizzaGuess not.
20:31:01JoeyCapethanks a million Mikachu!
20:31:12JoeyCapeok another question...
20:31:13GodEaterwhy on earth have you a dir with 10000 files in it ?
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20:31:31JoeyCapecan i create playlists in Winamp.. then just load the playlist from Rockbox?
20:32:03JoeyCapeGodEater.. i have no idea.. i just set it to a high number so it wouldn't have that error again..
20:32:05LloreanAs long as the playlist points to either a filetree identical to the one on your player, or to the actual songs on the player
20:32:47JoeyCapei just installed Rockbox today (i'm so backdated hur.. i noe.. noob here) and i've been on it for more than 5 hours
20:32:54JoeyCapethis thing really Rocks!
20:33:54JoeyCapethe only thing i really don't quite understand is creating playlists using the ipod itself
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20:44:43goffaJoeyCape: what part are you having trouble with?
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20:51:07dan_aI thought I was getting a whole one where someone had messed up the firmware. The battery is missing and I suspect that the 6GB drive is too.
20:51:25dan_aI missed out on the 12 faulty ones too - by seconds :(
20:51:39*dan_a curses ebay
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21:01:36GodEaterlord - that post in the apple install forum is a prime example of a PEBKAC
21:02:15LloreanGodEater: The one who can't use a command prompt?
21:03:14GodEaterwho's twice been told to type DIR, and in the second time he was told to do it - he was even given explicit instructions on how to do it
21:03:26GodEaterand who still insists it's "not a code to type"
21:03:41peturcommand prompts are soooo previous century ;)
21:03:44*petur ducks
21:03:50LloreanI love the modern excuse for logic.
21:04:12Llorean"I know less about this than you, so this supposition I've made on the limited knowledge I have must be more correct than what you've told me might be the cause."
21:04:30GodEaterI love his underlined "the problem is the bootloader"
21:04:43GodEater"No - the problem lies between your ears"
21:05:13*dan_a goes to look
21:05:15*GodEater 's fingers are itching to reply too. I shall resist the temptation somehow.
21:05:30GodEaterI'd just be mean to him
21:06:36LloreanI can only assume he got it working
21:06:46LloreanBecause he then asked for help on how to install a theme.
21:06:50LloreanElsewhere, at least.
21:06:54GodEatermust have missed that one!
21:07:06GodEaterisn't this a more recent post though ?
21:07:12LloreanDifferent thread, and he responded to himself with "Got it working"
21:07:20GodEaterI love those
21:07:23GodEaterso helpful to everyone else
21:07:58LloreanNah, 1:54 was me telling him that you have to not only HAVE the files in the right place, but BE there too. 1:57 "Can't get themes working", 2:02 "Oops, yes I can"
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21:08:17LloreanOr, no, he still needs help
21:08:20Tmandoes anyone know if apple firmware has font antialiasing?
21:08:40LloreanTman: It certainly looks like it
21:08:44LloreanThough it's probably faked
21:08:58Tmananything planned in rockbox? :p
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21:10:55linuxstbLlorean: It definitely looks fake to me, unless you've seen fonts on a non-white background...
21:11:14Lloreanlinuxstb: I haven't. I'm making the assumption that it is, but I won't say "It's faked" without confirmation.
21:11:23linuxstbOh, go on.
21:11:28linuxstb"It's faked".
21:11:32dan_aTman: I think devs have said in the past that it is not planned in Rockbox
21:11:40LloreanWell, I know you can change the font with IpodWizard, can't you?
21:11:50linuxstbI've never tried IPW.
21:12:53*Llorean wonders if his latest post was too harsh.
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21:14:37dan_aLlorean: Not IMHO
21:14:49dan_a(but then I'm in a bad mood)
21:15:25linuxstbWe need a "command-line" registration process for the forums.
21:16:30dan_aYou must type "wget" to get registration confirmation
21:17:16linuxstbcd "Apple Installation" ; vi 103313.txt
21:17:35FebsWe should ban the use of the word "it" in support requests.
21:17:40*linuxstb wonders how Cassandra is getting on with rbutil
21:17:53dan_aErm, considering the company in the channel I probably should have used curl, not wget ;)
21:18:01*petur discovers tortoisesvn is much faster than cygwin svn
21:18:04GodEatershe's busy sticking pins into an effigy of BillG I think
21:18:31linuxstbSo can I tempt anyone to join me in an effort to port to the Archos AV320/340? 54Mhz arm7tdmi, DSP, MAS5387F (same as the Archos Recorders), 2.5" hard drive...
21:19:10*amiconn would be more interested in the 1xx
21:19:18amiconnThe 3xx has too big a screen
21:19:46goffanot a complaint you normally hear
21:19:56goffabut valid nonetheless
21:20:07preglowdepends to whom you're listening
21:20:37linuxstbWhat's inside the 1xx?
21:20:40goffa2.5" drive would be nice in some way
21:20:46LloreanApparently Admins get special privilege in regards to topic length in the forums...
21:20:58goffai could get a HUGE drive :)
21:21:07GodEaterLlorean: so they do :)
21:21:16LloreanI get 4 more characters, at least
21:21:18amiconnA big screen makes sense for a PMP, but not for a DAP
21:21:26linuxstbFrom archopen (about the AV1xx) - "Hardware is almost the same as for the Av3xx except for the BAT meter that uses the MAS and the LCD controller. "
21:21:31preglowlinuxstb: didn't you already have some other port going on?
21:21:38LloreanThe Elio?
21:21:53amiconnand I don't need a PMP
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21:23:34gps1mxsomebody here?
21:23:45dan_agps1mx: Lots of people
21:23:53gps1mxtancks dan_a
21:24:01gps1mxis my first time in irc
21:24:11preglowwe'll be gentle
21:24:24gps1mxok, thats nice
21:24:45goffawell.. with video support i could see the archos 3xx becoming a pmp
21:24:54goffaassuming it had a vid out on it
21:25:07gps1mxi have a question, about rockbox and ipods
21:25:29linuxstbgoffa: Yes, It's sold as a video player...
21:25:49gps1mxsome body tell me i can have a "dual boot" in a 30G video ipod, thats true?
21:26:34linuxstbYou may want to read this:
21:26:34gps1mxoh my .....!!! i'm gonna install it now
21:26:54GodEaterand the manual....
21:26:56linuxstbPlus of course, the fine Rockbox manual - see the link on the left of every page of the website.
21:27:14Lloreanlinuxstb: Except the tracker.
21:27:21gps1mxok, you know if there a spanish manual?
21:27:56gps1mxenglish is not my native language
21:28:00*petur wonders why svn saved all the files with cr+lf
21:28:06linuxstbgps1mx: No, it's only in English..
21:28:21linuxstbBut Rockbox itself is in Spanish.
21:28:37GodEateramongst other languages
21:28:39amiconnpetur: YOu checked out using tortoise?
21:28:47gps1mxmmmm, ok linuxstb, may be i can traslate it
21:29:02gps1mxyou know if somebody is traslating it?
21:29:18amiconnThen that's the reason - the repo itself doesn't store the files as cr+lf
21:29:45peturI'm searching on the tortoisesvn site now...
21:29:45amiconn...but a (pure) windows svn client will change the line endings on the fly during checkout
21:30:00peturtortoisecvs didn't
21:30:02amiconn(and change them the other way at commit)
21:30:30peturwell ../tools/configure doesn't like it
21:30:30amiconncvs clients should work the same way, but for some reason not always do so
21:30:47amiconnpetur: Yes, because you're running it on cygwin, which is *nix-like
21:31:31linuxstbAnd I guess patches will have CR+LF as well?
21:31:44amiconnEither you find a way to tell tortoise to use unix line endings, or use the commandline svn client
21:32:00gps1mxyou know if somebody is traslating the manual to spanish now? may be i can help
21:32:02amiconnlinuxstb: Not sure about that
21:32:25amiconnSurely not when using cygwin svn
21:32:26Lloreangps1mx: I don't believe anyone is translating it to any languages right now.
21:33:11gps1mxok, tanks Llorean, i'm gonna try
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21:33:52gps1mxok, thankyou all, i have to go
21:34:01gps1mxc u
21:34:03peturfor the moment I get the feeling tortoisecvs was much better than tortoisesvn :(
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21:35:18linuxstbIs it related to the "svn:eol-style" attribute? Should we be setting that to "LF" ?
21:36:23linuxstbIt looks like it's currently set to "native".
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21:36:51GodEaterwhich will only help *nix users....
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21:38:16linuxstbGodEater: Rockbox requires a unix-like environment to compile... IIUC, setting the eol-style to LF would ensure everyone checks out unix-style text files. This seems to be an SVN thing, not something tortoisesvn is doing oddly.
21:38:28peturlinuxstb: reading it atm (svn:eol-style)
21:38:36*linuxstb has used SVN for about 20 hours, so is waiting for someone who knows to step up...
21:38:41GodEateryeah I realise that
21:38:52amiconnlinuxstb: This is a per-file attribute
21:39:01linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I understand that.
21:39:11*amiconn thinks setting it for every single text file wouldn't be wise
21:39:18Lloreanlinuxstb: Would that still hold true if it got working on MinGW again?
21:39:43linuxstbIsn't mingw still a "unix-like" environment?
21:40:01LloreanIt's a unix-like, but I don't know how line-endings apply to it.
21:40:49*petur is setting LF on every file... maybe h should have only done it for /tools
21:41:41peturhahaha... now all my files are 'changed'
21:41:52linuxstbpetur: Better not commit that...
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21:41:55amiconncygwin can be set to use either unix or windows style line ends
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21:42:20peturlinuxstb: they're LF now...
21:42:24amiconnI guess that using tortoise should work when cygwin is set to windows style
21:42:38amiconn(and you woul dhave everything as cr+lf locally) they're not :(
21:42:44linuxstbI can see patches causing problems though, if people are using native line-endings locally.
21:43:11peturamiconn: I'll try that... but will the scripts run?
21:43:29amiconnThey should if cygwin is set properly
21:43:43amiconnI can't imagine what else this option would be good for
21:45:05*amiconn uses cmdline svn anyway, so no problem with sticking to lf
21:45:34linuxstbcmdline in cygwin?
21:46:22davidsminddoes anyone here use the h10 20g-firmware?
21:46:49Arathisdavidsmind: original or rockbox?
21:47:40ArathisI do :)
21:48:38davidsmindMy personal impression of it, from a day of playing around is that it is early-alpha. It crashed many times for me, like if a song were playing and I would choose another, it would hang. And the db would randomly need to be recreated. Was this a bad install or is stabllity just currently in to works
21:49:04pixelmaLlorean: the forum search is broken again (tried right now and got a database error) :/
21:49:35Lloreanpixelma: Sadly, that's one of the types of errors I can't fix.
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21:49:51LloreanI believe LinusN has to do it.
21:49:53pixelmaah ok... just wanted to let you know
21:50:04Arathisdavidsmind: That's really an unusual behaviour
21:50:15Lloreandavidsmind: Firstly, Alpha/Beta/etc don't really apply in this situation.
21:50:34Lloreandavidsmind: Secondly, what happened when it "crashed" and proper bug reports would actually help improve it.
21:51:11davidsmindI plan on it
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21:51:17peturah... this works
21:51:19davidsmindmost of my collection is ogg
21:51:38davidsmindso I want to get this up and running
21:51:39peturcygwin set to crlf and svn to native
21:51:41LloreanWhat do you mean by "crash" by the way?
21:51:49peturwonder what it 'll give on commit :)
21:51:50LloreanData Abort, with a memory address?
21:52:22davidsmindThe song that is currently playing stops playing and anotherone comes on, then the screen doesn't refresh and music doesn't play
21:52:38davidsmindleaving it for 15 minutes doesn't hepl
21:52:39LloreanThat is not behaviour I've ever heard reported before.
21:52:48davidsmindmaybe I fucked the install up
21:52:50LloreanAre you using an official build?
21:53:07davidsmindermm, just the daily from the 9th
21:53:22LloreanWell, that's official. As long as the file is from
21:53:38davidsmindI'm also using a theme from the rockbox website
21:53:46ArathisAnd probably you should enable DB to RAM and HD caching.
21:53:58davidsmindYou can't enable both...
21:54:04davidsmindit's one or the other isn't it?
21:54:17Lloreandavidsmind: I think arathis means "dircache"
21:54:21ArathisAnd HD shutdown can cause problems if activated
21:54:34davidsmindI did not activate hd shutdown
21:54:43davidsminddircache? where is that option
21:54:50davidsmindi'll give it another try
21:55:02LloreanStill, that's not ordinary behaviour, and none of those settings *should* make it more or less likely
21:55:02ArathisLlorean: yes, that's what I ment. Sorry, don't have english as rockbox language.
21:55:30LloreanOf course, other people could be experiencing it and just not reporting it here.
21:55:46LloreanThere's a tendency for iRiver users to just complain about bugs at misticriver and never actually come to us with them.
21:56:08davidsmindWell I want to double check my install
21:56:24davidsmindand then I will file a report
21:56:37*Llorean sees an interesting mail in the mailing list.
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21:56:53DataGhosthi :)
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21:57:00Lloreandavidsmind: The database one and the playback one should be at least two separate reports. :)
21:57:12davidsmindyes, that's understandable
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21:57:18DataGhost<- 80GB owner prepared-to-test-anything reporting, fyi :)
21:57:44GodEaterthere's nothing to test
21:57:45GodEaterit doesn't work
21:57:47LloreanDataGhost: It's rare that "testers" are needed in that context. In most cases people working on it have their own hardware to test on.
21:57:49DataGhostno, i said 'fyi'
21:57:54DataGhostyeah Llorean
21:58:06DataGhostbut I just heard there's someone in here with access to some hardware I don't have
21:58:11dan_aLlorean: Were you talking about the emulator mail?
21:58:23GodEateryeah - that emu looks interesting
21:58:27Lloreandan_a: Yeah
21:58:30GodEaterI'm impressed he can run some RB code already
21:58:48Lloreandan_a: On the assumption that it ever gets around to booting the OF with debug output.
21:58:58*linuxstb mentioned LinusN's logic analyser in #ipodlinux
21:59:14GodEaterlinuxstb: has he got it hooked up yet ?
21:59:17dan_aI wonder how he did it - I want source code!
21:59:23GodEaterI thought he was still buying connectors
21:59:25Lloreandan_a: He's offered it to anyone interested.
21:59:45linuxstbGodEater: (that's all I know)
21:59:46*GodEater notices his surname starts with H
21:59:46Arathisdavidsmind: it shouldn't be any different, but I prefer to use the CVS builds isntead of the daily builds. You have the latest updates in there. But though there was no commit sind 01/08 as said there shouldn't be any difference
21:59:59dan_aLlorean: I'm just waiting for the mail to arrive in my inbox so I can reply to it
22:00:23LloreanDataGhost: Many times people show up here interested in "testing" but really just hoping there's something new to try out that hasn't gotten 'released' yet. Really it's quite rare that testers are needed, since really the iPod version of Rockbox is a tester version.
22:00:31GodEaterlinuxstb: ah - yeah that's the last I heard too
22:00:50*GodEater shudders
22:00:56GodEaterthat's not a job I'd want to do :(
22:01:09GodEaterhow flash is his logic analyser ?
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22:01:55LloreanOooh, Sansa Emulator guy is the same guy as Encoder Codecs interface guy?
22:02:25linuxstbOf course, I knew I recognised the name.
22:02:51*linuxstb likes surprises like that.
22:02:56LloreanThat gave my confidence a little boost right there.
22:03:15Juice^sansa emulator?
22:04:37Juice^oh kool
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22:06:39GodEaterLlorean: your sansa friend has reappeared in the forums
22:07:56dan_aCan I tell him to send it to me with a cheque for 100?
22:08:20GodEatersure ;-)
22:11:07peturamiconn, linuxstb: using cygwin configured to crlf and tortoisesvn as native (default) works ok. Shall now look for something to commit, but how to test it it went lf-only into svn?
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22:12:09GodEaterI like your "try harder to turn it off"
22:12:15GodEaterlet's hope he stops short of using a hammer
22:12:16Lloreandan_a: You forgot to also mention the rockbox.e200 file. I edited that in before he came back with "it still doesn't work"
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22:12:28dan_aLlorean: Thank you!
22:12:44w1ll14mhmm i just tryed to let my ipod 5 g run on 111 MHz.... plays fine for 20 sec... then data abort... maybe it was to much :)
22:12:44Lloreanpetur: Test it on perhaps something in DOCS that won't break any compiles?
22:13:31Lloreandan_a: I'm not a fan of drive-by editing other peoples' posts, in general, but when it's an error that can trip a user up, I edit first, and give notice later.
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22:14:11dan_aLlorean: I'm perfectly happy with that - I trust your editing :D
22:14:36dan_aGodEater: On the Sansa, there is a hardware power off if you hold the power button for 15s. In the original firmware, it turns off using software after holding the button for about 5s. That confuses new users
22:15:17dan_aBut if I thought I'd broken my 100 DAP, I'd hold down the power button for about a week before assuming it didn't work!
22:15:31GodEatera week? ;-)
22:15:37GodEaterI think you'd get tired :)
22:15:46LloreanPeople panic at that -1 all the time
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22:16:03LloreanIt's why the Ipod instructions were rearranged to put copying the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox over *first* rather than later.
22:16:07GodEaterwhich bit of blighty do you hail from dan_a ?
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22:16:27dan_aGodEater: The Isle of Man
22:16:39GodEaterbike fan ? :)
22:16:42LloreanOf course, now they just skip down to the "installing the bootloader" section of the manual, because they assume anything before it isn't important.
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22:16:58dan_aGodEater: How did you guess!
22:17:06GodEatera wild stab in the dark :)
22:17:31linuxstbpetur: According to that page I linked, svn always stores text files in a canonical "LF" format.
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22:17:54dan_aLlorean: There was talk either earlier today or yesterday of changing the "-1" error message to something more friendly
22:18:07GodEaterearlier today I believe
22:18:11Lloreandan_a: I think all the -X error messages could get some text.
22:18:14GodEaterLinusN said so
22:18:18linuxstbI think that's a good idea. We need to be careful about LCD width though.
22:18:20w1ll14mok, i think now is my ipod running at 108 MHz.......
22:18:34LloreanOr at the VERY least, an easy to find error message lookup in the manual
22:18:40GodEaterisn't the native clock speed 75MHz ?!
22:18:54w1ll14myes... i think so....
22:18:57GodEaterlinuxstb: is there something stopping the error going over multiple lines ?
22:19:00dan_aIt would probably be good for a "junior job" type task for someone wanting to start Rockbox coding
22:19:08LloreanGodEater: Older targets having less lines.
22:19:11linuxstbGodEater: Yes, the lcd_putsxy() function...
22:19:15GodEaterdan_a: assuming they know what they all mean :)
22:19:37GodEaterLlorean: yeah - I didn't envisage the message going over pages though :)
22:19:50GodEatera couple of lines should be enough, even if they're only like 30 chars wide
22:20:02linuxstbGodEater: It's not a big problem, just something to remember (and test).
22:20:07linuxstb(or count...)
22:20:09GodEater"rockbox firmware missing" for example
22:20:10w1ll14mgoedeater: i use a nice theme + soft and hard eq, and decodeing mp3@320kbps and boost ratio is at 60% stable
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22:20:42Lloreanw1ll14m: And your battery life suffers greatly.
22:20:43w1ll14mnormal when using 75MHz its at 100% boost ratio
22:20:56dan_aw1ll14m: You do know you are overclocking it, don't you?
22:21:01LloreanIncreasing the CPU speed doesn't really solve any problems, it's just a way of pretending they're not there.
22:21:10GodEaterand warming your pockets up
22:21:10w1ll14mwell.... it's way better than before.. because the buffer did not fill complete, so more disk usage
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22:21:29w1ll14myeah that's true.....
22:21:30linuxstbThe disk reading is in big need of optimising on the ipods...
22:21:31GodEaternot a bad idea in winter ;)
22:21:38Lloreanw1ll14m: Whether or not the compressed buffer fills completely should have nothing to do with the CPU speed.
22:21:52LloreanIf it's not filling completely, there's a bug somewhere.
22:22:16w1ll14mwhen using ata to fill buffer at the same time decoding 320 kbps mp3 and using soft+hardware eq...
22:22:21GodEatera bug?! In rockbox?
22:22:25w1ll14mwhen i press pause it fills
22:22:39w1ll14mand boost ratio was always 100%
22:22:41Lloreanlinuxstb: I think maybe if there's a Rockbox Error: -X", it could then wait 2 seconds, clear the screen, and type error text?
22:23:01LloreanOr even "Press key for more" and upon a button press, type error text.
22:23:47dan_aOr "Error: -X. See manual for details"
22:23:49Lloreanw1ll14m: If it never unboosted, that meant that there wasn't enough CPU to do everything at once. The solution isn't "overclock" it's "optimize"
22:23:55Lloreandan_a: That too, even.
22:24:20linuxstbOr simply "rockbox.ipod not found" (for the common case).
22:24:22w1ll14mLlorean: I don't have anough knownledge to do it ....
22:24:42Lloreanw1ll14m: As well, if you're using that much EQ, you can probably get away with 192kbps or even 128kbps MP3 without being able to hear the difference.
22:24:43GodEaterheh - those pesky ipod users again linuxstb
22:25:12Lloreanlinuxstb: rockbox.ipod not found, or rockbox.ipod corrupt for -5?
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22:25:26w1ll14mLlorean: true, but then ... i will have to convert about 28 GBytes.....
22:25:41GodEaterdon't think it's such a good idea to use the ".ipod" thing - there *are* other targets....
22:25:42Lloreanw1ll14m: And then they'll take up half the space, so you can hold twice as much music.
22:25:53linuxstbGodEater: I think we could adapt the message...
22:25:58LloreanGodEater: This is more just for discussion purposes.
22:26:02GodEaterI think that would be a good plan :)
22:26:02LloreanBecause "" sounds silly
22:26:08GodEaterand would confuse users
22:26:13w1ll14mLlorean: ll try what my ipod is going to do, if it is stable and how long the battery lives.....
22:26:16LloreanI'm a little irritated that there's so much variance in the rockbox.blah files
22:26:17GodEaterwhere do I download!?!
22:26:30*petur just did his first svn commit
22:26:33Mikachuit wouldn't be very hard to make the error message depend on the target i think?
22:26:46GodEaterprobably not
22:26:48Lloreanw1ll14m: Overclocking can also be bad for the hardware. Heat damages the battery and can cause processor failure.
22:27:12linuxstbThe bootloader already knows the name of the file it can't find...
22:27:25Lloreanrockbox.e200 (specific hardware), rockbox.iriver (brand), rockbox.h10 (hardware), rockbox.ipod (specific line)
22:27:27w1ll14mLlorean: I will take the risk :)
22:27:37peturcan somebody using LF only check how docs/contributing went into svn?
22:27:47w1ll14mLlorean: in the first place i bought this ipod because i could put ipod linux on it ......
22:27:48Lloreanw1ll14m: So, you'd rather risk losing a $300 piece of hardware than spend two days converting files?
22:27:55Mikachupetur: it's listed as unix text here i thnk
22:28:08linuxstbpetur: No, but I can check docs/CONTRIBUTING though...
22:28:14GodEaterLlorean: that's a very good point actually
22:28:21linuxstb(and it's fine)
22:28:25peturmy changed one?
22:28:32w1ll14mLlorean: It's unknown yet what overclocking would do to ipods
22:28:54Mikachuw1ll14m: it does the same as any other processor, it gets hotter and more unstable
22:28:58Lloreanw1ll14m: Yes, it's also unnecessary to do it.
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22:29:14linuxstbw1ll14m: People have attempted overclocking on other ipods, and it's not reliable.
22:29:17LloreanThere's no cause yet to overclock it, since we already know that there are other, better solutions to the problem.
22:29:24linuxstbWe didn't just invent 75MHz...
22:29:43w1ll14mLlorean: i know about that :)
22:29:55linuxstbAlthough I think amiconn could reliably run his 2nd gen mini slightly faster than that.
22:30:07Lloreanlinuxstb: But those are rated to be at a higher clock anyway
22:30:19linuxstbYes, but the PP5021 (in the Nano and Video) probably are as well.
22:30:21Lloreanw1ll14m: Well, if you want to intentionally try to cause damage to your iPod, fine.
22:30:29amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, but I think this is because the pp5022 is specced higher
22:30:35amiconnI didn't try to exceed the specs
22:30:48linuxstbEverything I've seen refers to the PP5021/PP5022 together. I don't think there's even a product brief for the PP5021.
22:31:19linuxstbSo I'm assuming the PP5021 is closer to the 22 than the 20.
22:31:35w1ll14mLlorean: well i'm tryin at this moment what is possible, i will try what 90MHz will do with the performance.....
22:31:43amiconnw1ll14m: If you increase the clock, you need to make sure that not only playback works (it will no longer boost all the time), but that running constantly boosted _and_ not letting the cpu idle is still stable
22:32:44w1ll14mamiconn: that's also true
22:32:54*Llorean still doesn't see the point, at this time.
22:32:55amiconn(e.g. by playing a long mpeg video with mpeg player, without framerate limiting. The video should be long enough to keep the ipod busy for like 15 minutes or more)
22:33:21Mikachucan't you just increase pitch to 200%?
22:33:31daurnlinuxstb: you talked to oxy
22:33:40daurnany other questions?
22:33:44GodEateryay - sansa emu is going to be sent to flyspray
22:34:00daurnbtw, neuros have some dm320 dsp codecs
22:34:08daurnnot open source
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22:34:18daurnbut, you can work with them
22:34:18*Llorean does the "Oh crap, now people are going to really think there's a Rockbox Emulator" dance.
22:34:56Slasheriif that works, it sounds like a good idea to raise the cpu freq
22:35:13*amiconn disagrees
22:35:23donbHere's a request which will make some smile and others roll their eyes −− I deleted my unpatched firmware backup from my nano (1st gen, 2GB). Anyone have one they're willing to dcc back to a klutz?
22:35:29Slasheriof course it increases battery consumption
22:35:32amiconnThe fact that it works on one individual ipod doesn't mean it will work on others
22:35:50Mikachudonb: i think i have one of those
22:35:50Slasheribut it's the only way for better (video)playback until more optimizations
22:36:04LloreanSlasheri: Why not just wait for optimizations then, and preserve battery life?
22:36:07amiconnThe only way _is_ optimisation
22:36:11donbMikachu: if you do and would be willing to get it, I would appreciate it enormously.
22:36:22Mikachudonb: let me jsut see where i put the file
22:36:26linuxstbdaurn: Yes, the talk was reassuring. I'm definitely going ahead with an AV320 port now...
22:36:50Mikachudonb: you want the ~80MB one?
22:37:03donbThat was the size, if I remember correctly.
22:37:12Lloreandonb: They're usually not necessary any more.
22:37:14SlasheriLlorean: well, that's better of course. But iiuc, it might not be possible to optimize enough (especially the video playback). Original firmware has the decorers on the broadcom chip but rockbox can't use them
22:37:22Mikachudonb: can you unpack .bz2 files?
22:37:40preglowthere's still plenty of opts to be done
22:37:43donbYes, no problem at all Mikachu.
22:37:54preglowhas video playback even been optimised at all?
22:38:06donbThanks for asking, but in GNU/Linux, all things are possible.
22:38:11linuxstbpreglow: Hardly.
22:38:16LloreanSlasheri: But that should still be investigated first, before such all-affecting things as picking new CPU frequencies.
22:38:20Mikachui didn't know if you were enlightened or not
22:38:44SlasheriLlorean: true
22:39:03donbI like that way of putting it. Yes, enlightened in some ways, helpless in others. Some claim that the two are anticorrelated.
22:39:26linuxstbSlasheri: 320x240 playback on the 5g would be an accomplishment. I now think it's possible though, if we can use both arm cores to their full potential.
22:40:22linuxstbAt the moment, the COP is the bottleneck (decoding and displaying the video), and the main CPU has at least a little bit of slack (more if we use an easier audio format).
22:40:42LloreanOr get MP3 decoding faster.
22:41:31Slasherihehe.. i hear we might need even more advanced scheduler to do that ;)
22:41:41Slasherisomething like load balancing between the cores
22:41:58Mikachuwhen you only have two threads, it's not much to balance
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22:42:59w1ll14mis the mpeg player in cvs?
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22:43:11Slasheriit has been a long time
22:43:18dan_aSlasheri: Automatic load balancing might not be a good idea, because of the caching problem
22:43:40LinusNis the cache shared?
22:43:43dan_a(the two cores have separate, unsnooped caches)
22:44:11w1ll14mslasheri: ok
22:45:27amiconnlinuxstb: I'm only guessing, but does mpeg video allow to split the whole image, e.g. let one core decode the top half and the other core the bottom half?
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22:45:29preglowload balancing = bad idea
22:45:33preglowwe'd need to totally revise all code
22:45:36amiconn(splitting on a macroblock boundary of course)
22:46:11Mikachui would guess both halves would need to reference the full previous frame
22:46:29Mikachuif a macroblock is moving over the boundary
22:46:42Mikachuor does mpeg2 not have motion vectors? :)
22:46:44w1ll14mis there a test mpeg for the ipod 5g?
22:46:45amiconnThat's why I said I'm guessing
22:46:46Aloneaok, I think the lcd setting for "on hold" are not correct. If I understand it right, normal refers to whatever the other settings are, on would mean when you flick the switch the light will stay on regardless of other settings and if its set to off when you flick the switch the light will go off regardless of other settings?
22:46:54preglowMikachu: depends on the frame
22:46:54w1ll14mor can i just copy an mpeg to ipod ?
22:46:55Mikachui am also guessing
22:47:06Mikachuw1ll14m: it needs to be the right resolution
22:47:06preglowfor i-frames, it would be tricky
22:47:11preglowfor p frames, i think it would be possible
22:47:14dan_aw1ll14m: See the PluginMpegplayer Wiki page
22:47:24Mikachupreglow: i would have thought the other way around
22:47:35w1ll14mdan_a: ll check
22:47:37amiconnPerhaps decoding a little more than exactlly one half?
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22:47:59preglowMikachu: the dc coefficient is delta coded which makes all 8x8 blocks depend on each other, which makes splitting the decoding between cores hard
22:48:49Aloneanow, the "on" setting works and the "normal" setting works, but the off does not work and is exactly like normal.
22:49:20preglowi don't know how the motion prediction is coded, but i guess it's more likely to work, but each core would pretty much have to work on an image of their own, unless stuff is put in iram
22:49:34LloreanAlonea: On what player?
22:49:44preglowalso, p frames sometimes also need i-frame like decoding
22:49:53preglowif the error is big
22:49:53AloneaThe Gigabeat.
22:49:56linuxstbI think simply moving the lcd_yuv_blit to the main CPU (with the audio) would be a pretty even split.
22:50:15amiconnpreglow: Hmm, another option woul dbe to schedule whole gops per core...
22:50:30linuxstbWithout displaying the video, one core on the 5g can currently decode 320x240 at 21fps.
22:50:48LloreanAlonea: You should probably file an actual bug report on it then, since it sounds like it's not working the way the manual describes it to
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22:50:59ZagorI changed the mime type for .mpg files on to octet-stream instead of video/mpeg. Those files are using 40% of our bandwidth, and I suspect not all of it is intended.
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22:51:31preglowamiconn: myeah, but that would get complicated pretty fast, i think
22:51:34Lars_GJust to let you all know
22:51:42Lars_GI might be shoved into rockbox code, more big time.
22:51:56AloneaLlorean: I guess I need to sign up with a login, yes?
22:52:16Lars_GMy dad is good for making creative business, and he has many ideas with ipods, that i can't disclose right now :) that would use rockbox.
22:52:20LloreanAlonea: Well, that's how you report bugs properly, yes.
22:52:23MikachuAlonea: that would make it easier for you to get automated replies when it's fixed
22:52:24Lars_GOf course I'm going to keep the gpl
22:52:25preglowZagor: and how will that help?
22:52:40amiconnlinuxstb: Optimising lcd_yuv_blit() for arm would also be helpful...
22:52:42Aloneaalright. registering it is
22:53:29Zagorpreglow: my theory is that people are clicking the file, which downloads the film and starts a player. but they wanted to save the file, to transfer it to their player. so they download it again.
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22:54:06GodEaterZagor: sounds very plausible - I do that all the time with vids on the net
22:54:20Mikachui have never been thanked in a quit message before i think
22:54:39Lars_GZagor: The detail is, if the browser is sane, and the file comes from a non-changing url, the download should grab the cached copy directly
22:55:04ZagorLars_G: many browsers don't cache >50 MB files
22:55:19GodEaterfor very sensible reasons
22:56:08Mikachusome browsers (ie) first download >50MB files to cache, then copy them to where you wanted to save it, then delete it from cache
22:56:27LloreanI'm somewhat surprised the sample video is that hugely popular.
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22:56:28GodEaterIE is the only one I can think of that does that
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22:56:38peturgiving the weird[1].names
22:56:42ZagorMikachu: ie also relies on file extensions over mime types, so we're lost there in any case...
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22:57:11GodEaterLlorean: me too. The elephants dream isn't the greatest fiction ever :)
22:57:16ZagorLlorean: so am I. our bandwidth has nearly doubled since they became available.
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22:57:43bluebrotherhmm. Seems we have quite some themes shipped with rockbox that aren't adjusted for all targets
22:57:53goffaelephants dream isn't even good fiction :).. but sure makes a good demo
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22:58:15GodEatervery impressive though. Was all done in Blender wasn't it ?
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22:58:21ZagorGodEater: yup
22:59:17bluebrotherdamn ... so much interesting stuff, and so little time :(
22:59:40w1ll14mwell ... i'm gonna sleep... see you later guys :)
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22:59:57ZagorVery impressive technically. The film as such didn't impress me much, though. Personally I would have spent a little more energy on a story before embarking on a one-year project. :-)
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23:00:09GodEateryah - can hear my bed calling too. Later guys.
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23:17:30webguest03hiya peeps
23:17:46Mikachuhi guest
23:17:54webguest03does rockbox work for 2cnd gen ipod nano?
23:18:03webguest03awww dam
23:18:05LloreanThat's why it says it doesn't, on the front page of the site.
23:18:13webguest03thaught so i just wanted to make sure
23:18:23webguest03is it not possible or are they in middle of doing 1
23:18:34LloreanIt'd be a little odd for the site to be lying.
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23:18:45webguest03what u mean lorean?
23:19:01LloreanOn the front page of the site, it says clearly that the Nano 2nd generation is not supported.
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23:19:12webguest03never ever
23:19:15webguest03does linux work?
23:19:18dan_awebguest03: It's really difficult. I'd guess the 3rg gen Nano will be out before the 2nd gen is supported
23:19:21LloreanNo, it says it's "not", not "won't be"
23:19:35LloreanRight now, nobody can get third party firmware running on it.
23:19:40webguest03maybe there wont be a 3rd gen nano
23:19:45LloreanLinux and Rockbox will probably be at about the same time.
23:20:18webguest03is there any other way 2 boost sound?
23:20:30webguest03on nano 2cnd gen
23:20:48Nono_CapoI am facing a little problem with my H10 20gb
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23:21:20webguest03is there another way i can boost my volume on my nano 2cnd gen
23:21:39Lloreanwebguest03: This is #Rockbox, not a channel about other apple hacks
23:21:39dan_awebguest03: Build yourself a little headphone amp?
23:21:49LloreanNono_Capo: Ask the problem.
23:22:18webguest03if so all u talk about is rockbox
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23:22:44Mikachubrilliant conclusion
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23:23:13Nono_CapoSome time ago, rockbox daily builds keep my device from booting. The firmware will start and freeze in the opening screen with a list that ends something like "sum:34D87F"
23:23:38LloreanNono_Capo: Have you upgraded your bootloader?
23:24:04Nono_Capoum.. how do I do that?
23:25:03webguest03rockbox pricks
23:25:46Lloreanwebguest03: Why on Earth would you expect the official Rockbox channel to be about something else?
23:26:01LloreanNono_Capo: Read the manual for installing the bootloader.
23:26:35Nono_Capoam I not supposed to download a new one first? Where can i do that?
23:26:37webguest03u lot are helpfull arny u
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23:28:23Bagdernow behave
23:28:25hiyapeopleim having trouble with rockbox :(
23:28:46Mikachuwe know it's you
23:28:46hiyapeoplebadger the fadger has a very small tadger
23:28:55Mikachumaybe you should just ban him
23:29:04Mode"#rockbox +o Mikachu " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:29:06hiyapeoplemaybe but i come here honestly aND U DIDNT HELP ME
23:29:18Lloreanhiyapeople: You came here and asked for help about NON-Rockbox stuff
23:29:21Bagderyou're rude and annoying, get lost
23:29:23LloreanWhy not call Apple for help with their software?
23:29:29hiyapeopleya i was rude after u didnt help me
23:29:31Zagorhiyapeople: you'll get a refund, don't worry
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23:29:42Mikachuthat should do it right?
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23:30:06Lloreanhiyapeople: Nobody is obligated to help you with things we haven't agreed to help with. Goodbye.
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23:31:06Lars_GHe's using a web proxy, a restart of the applet will surely give him a new "name"
23:31:14Lars_GLets hope he doesn't catches up
23:31:18Bagderno, it is based on his ip
23:31:21MikachuLars_G: the part before @ is ip-dependant
23:31:29Mikachuie 52058c5c is his ip in hex
23:31:34Bagderbut yeah, he can still change it
23:31:45Mikachui don't think he's that determined to taunt us :)
23:31:50LloreanLike the guy who dodged the ban on our forums (using Tor I believe)
23:32:15Bagdertor makes life harder for admins
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23:32:36LloreanFortunately he only did it to send me one last message asking me to ban him again, and when I ignored him, he seems to have wandered off.
23:32:53LloreanWhich is good considering the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get an ISP to even acknowledge they have an abusive user.
23:33:51LloreanWhen "acceptable use" agreements have clauses about personal harassment, I don't see how server logs are in any way relevant.
23:34:57dan_aLlorean: They are relevant in that they have a time and an IP address...
23:36:07Lloreandan_a: The messages were timestamped, and an association between the username and IP address was established in as clear a way as a server log would.
23:36:13LloreanIt's irrelevant since he doesn't seem to be coming back.
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23:36:43LloreanBut I was already trying to initiate the process, since he'd circumvented the ban twice (once by simply having a dynamic IP, and once using Tor)
23:37:12LloreanWhich also fit their description of Unauthorized Access in their AUP
23:40:33Lars_GThe problem is, once it's done, they can get a new ISP, and using Tor you wouldn't be able to grasp his real IP again to start the process up anew
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23:40:59LloreanLars_G: My guess is that the person was a minor.
23:41:06preglowis my irssi faulty or do we have just one ban?
23:41:37dan_aLlorean: People who are abusive in that way frequently are.
23:42:01*Lars_G nods
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23:42:08Lars_GGriefers make me grief.
23:42:12LloreanEither way, it's irrelevant unless he comes back.
23:42:21*Llorean goes to download the Emulator from flyspray.
23:42:39*Llorean doesn't have MSVC on this computer, so changes his mind.
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23:43:18preglowwhy are all the +b/+q removed? at least the tor one should apply at all times
23:43:31muesli-apples new iphone
23:43:49Juice^maby its a new year, giving bastards a new chance ? :o
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23:44:43preglowa crackbrained idea if i ever heard one!
23:44:51preglowbloody tor
23:45:14muesli-i like it
23:45:30Lars_Gtor had a good mission for life, trouble it's impossible to avoid abuse
23:45:44muesli-and tor had a nice fork ;)
23:45:56preglowtor is incompatible with people
23:45:58muesli-or was it thunderbolt?
23:47:40Lars_Gpreglow: No, it's people that's incompatible with people.
23:47:53Lars_GI think youth should be sent to exile until they come of age.
23:48:38LloreanUnfortunately physical and mental maturity aren't exactly concurrent.
23:48:48Bagdersneak peak time
23:49:13Lars_GLlorean: I meant of mental age. Not chronological.
23:49:13JdGordonnice work :)
23:49:17Aloneasweet. i love you badger
23:49:19LloreanI've met people integer multiples of my age who are just as bad as those who're younger by far.
23:49:49Lars_GBagder: pretty good, pretty good
23:50:10preglowi assume the design is a css issue? :>
23:50:15JdGordonBagder: can you put timestampts at the top and targets on the side so it fits better on small screens please?
23:50:20Bagderpreglow: mostly, yes
23:50:23Zagorpreglow: no, that's the new look :)
23:50:45LloreanJdGordon: That would require rendering rotated timestamps.
23:50:45BagderJdGordon: I'll save that for the git transition ;-P
23:50:52preglowisn't it possible to switch text orientation using css?
23:50:54preglowimages are a bit nasty
23:51:02Bagdernot possible
23:51:02JdGordonBagder: haha ok
23:51:05preglownot possible???
23:51:27Lars_GAlso, this way it's better. It's more common to have buildstamps than archs, and you generally want pages to grow down, not right
23:52:00LloreanYou could probably do it pretty easily with GD in PHP maybe. But that's kinda slow, as far as my experience goes.
23:52:02ZagorLars_G: on the other hand our list of archs grow, our list of kept builds doesn't...
23:52:14Bagderwe have max 20 lines and 56 columns
23:52:22Bagderand the columns will grow...
23:52:39Bagderso one day I'll go rotate date stamps
23:52:43Bagderbut not today
23:53:01*JdGordon wishes his perl was better
23:53:01preglow1.7 sec/build, not too shabby :PPP
23:53:08Zagorthat will be annoying too, because the images will never be cached
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23:53:16*preglow wishes he could find something to use his perl skills on
23:53:19Bagderthe math is a wrong when there's no previous builds
23:53:33Bagderas it is a moving average
23:53:34jbano one seen sloth around?
23:53:52Zagorpreglow: rewrite viewvc in perl? python is making me insane :-(
23:53:53preglowseveral, but not the one you're thinking of
23:54:03preglowZagor: python is for insane people
23:54:14preglowinsane people and people who enjoy being bored
23:54:45Lars_GBagder: There is a way.....
23:54:54Zagorpython scatters files *all over* the system. i've spend several hours now trying to hunt down all files needed :-(
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23:56:33Lars_GBagder: Fix the cell's width to something close to acomodate about 1.5 characters (to account for browser variance depending on font) and set the cell to wrap via css....
23:56:44Lars_Gcharacters wouldn't rotate, but they'll form a vertical line.
23:56:48Lars_Gthat should be readable
23:57:08LloreanEspecially for pure timestamps.
23:57:28Bagderanother way could be to just keep the columns numbered using title/alt for the actual date
23:57:35*dan_a thinks we could have a Samsung YH-820 port in a relatively short time
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23:57:49Bagdersince the actual date is rarely interesting
23:57:49ZagorBagder: now you're talking
23:57:52AloneaOn the severity of issues, what generally should you set it as?
23:57:53linuxstbdan_a: Any progress with the LCD?
23:58:07Bagderdan_a: wooo!
23:58:14dan_alinuxstb: None - so I've started on the AK4537 Codec
23:58:24dan_aWorking from a datasheet is lovely!
23:58:58Lars_Gdatasheets are luxury
23:58:59LloreanAlonea: Generally you should just leave the severity as it is by default, unless the issue prevents music from working, or is really really minor (as in, a typo somewhere).

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