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| 00:03:10 | redwood | hello - I have a question regarding an error message I got on my iriver h340 |
| 00:04:06 | redwood | on bootup after the rockbox logo the player freezes and displays *PANIC* Stkov dircache |
| 00:04:35 | redwood | i'm using dailay build 070109-0700 |
| 00:04:42 | preglow | well, how nice |
| 00:04:51 | Llorean | redwood: Have you tried clearing your settings? |
| 00:04:54 | redwood | yes |
| 00:04:56 | muesli- | this happens 2 be either in the last times |
| 00:05:00 | redwood | it will boot then |
| 00:05:03 | Llorean | redwood: And you're using the official build? |
| 00:05:07 | redwood | but then on next boot the same thing |
| 00:05:11 | redwood | yes |
| 00:05:40 | redwood | although this started after I compiled a build with the recording enhancements patch |
| 00:05:56 | redwood | I then cleared settings |
| 00:05:59 | redwood | same thing |
| 00:06:10 | Llorean | So, wait, an official build, or the build with the REP? |
| 00:06:14 | redwood | and then reverted back to a previously compiled build |
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| 00:06:21 | muesli- | somebody wrote on misticriver to increase a buffer |
| 00:06:29 | | Quit ender` (" You know that old saying, 'Strike while the iron is hot?' Well, I think that's a pretty dumb saying, 'cause I'll betcha a co) |
| 00:06:30 | redwood | the official build still exhibits the problem |
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| 00:06:40 | Llorean | redwood: Even after clearing settings with the official build? |
| 00:06:43 | redwood | yes |
| 00:07:04 | redwood | it will boot if I hold the rec button after starting |
| 00:07:25 | muesli- | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50350 |
| 00:07:43 | Llorean | redwood: Then, after you re-enable dircache, it Stkovs? |
| 00:08:15 | muesli- | Just change "0x800" to "0xA00" in dircache.c at line 63. It works fine for me |
| 00:08:25 | muesli- | will that help`? |
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| 00:09:10 | Llorean | muesli-: This needs to be found out if it's a problem with the real build, or only triggered after using unofficial ones. |
| 00:09:12 | fasmaie | goffa: Has your friend made up her mind yet? |
| 00:09:15 | redwood | Llorean - it Stkovs even if i leave the settings alone |
| 00:09:29 | redwood | llorean |
| 00:09:39 | Llorean | redwood: It Stkovs even with dircache disabled? |
| 00:09:42 | muesli- | rockbox also freezes when i change the bass value. dunno if it only concerns the experimental build |
| 00:09:49 | redwood | lllorean - yes |
| 00:10:13 | pixelma | Genre9mp3 reported it here and discussed the problem with linuxstb - it was his advice to increase the stack size. |
| 00:10:19 | Llorean | redwood: When you reinstalled Rockbox, the official build, did you erase your .rockbox folder or just overwrite it? |
| 00:10:20 | redwood | basically the only way I can get it to boot is to hold the rec button after startup |
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| 00:10:33 | redwood | llorean - I erased it |
| 00:10:49 | redwood | and then tried to enable dircache |
| 00:11:10 | redwood | and then it showed up, but it keeps doing it after clearing settings |
| 00:11:53 | Llorean | So, if you download a daily build, delete the .rockbox folder, install the daily, boot up holding Record, everything is fine until you enable Dircache? |
| 00:12:27 | redwood | essentially yes |
| 00:12:33 | Llorean | "essentially"? |
| 00:12:41 | Llorean | What did I leave out? |
| 00:13:30 | redwood | llorean - like i said it first started after i comiled my own build |
| 00:13:53 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070102.txt at 17:37 |
| 00:14:19 | Llorean | Just, but if you clear your settings on a clean first boot of Rockbox official, with a completely fresh .rockbox folder, there should be no remnants of your custom build |
| 00:14:20 | redwood | and then continued after a clean install of a previously working build of mine, and continues after a clean install of an official daily build |
| 00:14:59 | redwood | llorean yes |
| 00:15:46 | Llorean | It's just odd that every time I hear about this, it's after using a custom build. |
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| 00:15:58 | Llorean | Possibly it's a stkov happening in the building of the dircache. |
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| 00:16:17 | redwood | llorean - so you've seen this b4 |
| 00:16:36 | Llorean | Llorean: I've seen lots of this discussed in unsupported builds threads. |
| 00:16:53 | Llorean | And although I've never seen it b4, yes, I've seen it before. |
| 00:17:01 | redwood | lol |
| 00:17:04 | redwood | point taken |
| 00:17:44 | redwood | Llorean is there anything I should look out for when compiling under cygwin? |
| 00:17:56 | redwood | i don't recall seeing any errors |
| 00:17:59 | Llorean | "look out for"? |
| 00:18:27 | muesli- | could somebody confirm on iriver that rockbox freezes when changing the bass value`!? |
| 00:18:44 | Llorean | muesli-: I thought you said you only have experienced it on an unsupported build. |
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| 00:19:07 | Llorean | redwood: If it happens in official builds, it's probably a real bug in Dircache that shows up in the (re)creation of the dircache, and is something in the code that needs tweaked, either increasing the stack size or fixing a bug. |
| 00:19:08 | muesli- | didnt check the "normal" build |
| 00:19:16 | Llorean | muesli-: So, couldn't *you* do that? |
| 00:19:46 | muesli- | sure ;-) |
| 00:19:59 | redwood | Llorean - is there a common error in compiling that could cause stkov to happen |
| 00:20:06 | Llorean | muesli-: It's a little strange to ask others to confirm something that you don't even know happens yet. |
| 00:20:14 | redwood | that i should "look out for" |
| 00:20:25 | Bagder | redwood: stkov is a stack overflow and should not happen at all |
| 00:20:29 | Llorean | redwood: See my last message to you. |
| 00:21:09 | muesli- | Llorean i dont see it that way. when u have installed the normal build it would be much faster to countercheck it |
| 00:21:30 | * | JdGordon has been getting dircache stkOv's recently also |
| 00:21:50 | * | Nico_P too |
| 00:21:56 | Llorean | muesli-: And if it's NOT a problem in an official build, then whoever wasted the time testing it because it's a bug in an unofficial build just spent time confirming that someone else's unofficial work has problems |
| 00:21:57 | Nico_P | only one or two though |
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| 00:22:27 | Llorean | muesli-: Remember that there is a policy of "reproduce it with an official build before asking about it" |
| 00:22:32 | redwood | Llorean - sorry missed it before - did you see muesli's comment : Just change "0x800" to "0xA00" in dircache.c at line 63. |
| 00:22:35 | Johnny | Is anyone around willing to help me out? |
| 00:22:37 | muesli- | Llorean damn it..changing a bass value is not a task that will make ya sweaty! |
| 00:22:52 | Llorean | muesli-: And installing an official build won't either. |
| 00:23:01 | muesli- | bla bla |
| 00:23:16 | Llorean | muesli-: In fact, if you'd done it as soon as you said you'd only experienced it in unofficial ones, you'd have finished long ago. |
| 00:24:12 | Llorean | You also are the only person who can reproduce the exact conditions under which it happened, since you haven't said whether music was playing or not when you adjusted the settings, what format music you were playing, whether you had any other settings enabled... |
| 00:24:21 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:24:26 | preglow | i actually think css3 supports text direction! |
| 00:24:27 | Llorean | You've given *far* too little information for anyone to reliably guess what conditions it's expected to freeze under. |
| 00:24:36 | Llorean | preglow: *gasp* |
| 00:24:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:24:44 | Mikachu | yarooh |
| 00:24:45 | Bagder | but css3... |
| 00:24:47 | preglow | too bad nothing supports css3 |
| 00:24:48 | preglow | heh |
| 00:24:50 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 00:24:57 | preglow | apart from ie, which supports that attribute alone |
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| 00:25:36 | Llorean | redwood: Smaller numbers between those may even work too, possibly. But the question is whether that's the right fix or not. |
| 00:26:17 | redwood | llorean - i'll try to test it |
| 00:26:37 | pixelma | preglow: reminds me of the golden rules of html... ;) |
| 00:27:39 | Johnny | Alright, I guess I'll just throw it out there and if someone knows a sloution then feel free to tell. |
| 00:27:42 | jba | i don't mean to badger you Bagder but there isn't really anyone around who works on the gigabeat lately |
| 00:28:09 | Bagder | you mean lately as in the recent hours? |
| 00:28:15 | jba | a in the last two days |
| 00:28:16 | Bagder | and "around" as in this IRC channel? |
| 00:28:18 | jba | since the svn migration |
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| 00:28:36 | jba | should i logg the bass/treble patch in flyspray and forget it ? |
| 00:28:46 | Bagder | I've got mail and handed out svn access to three gigabeat hackers |
| 00:28:51 | Llorean | jba: There is a log for this channel to find if people have been around |
| 00:28:54 | Mikachu | jba: if you put something in flyspray and forget it, it will never get merged |
| 00:29:01 | jba | that's my worry |
| 00:29:20 | jba | yesterday you said there was only one gigabeat dev with svn (sloth, greg white) |
| 00:29:30 | Llorean | Bagder: Is there any chance of me getting SVN access, so I can probably help keep installation instructions up to date in the manuals at the very least? I figure I could fit in with the manual crew, and not screw up the tex too badly. |
| 00:29:30 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:29:37 | jba | i can't seem to get a response from gotthardt or sloth |
| 00:29:58 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Mikachu " by Mikachu (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 00:29:59 | jba | Llorean: i know about the log |
| 00:32:06 | Llorean | jba: As for posting things in the tracker, it's a good place to keep them. Even if they get lost, you can still pester people about 'em, and that way they might get noticed while you're not around. |
| 00:32:15 | Llorean | Basically, it can only help to have it in the tracker. |
| 00:33:01 | JdGordon | jba: plus, if the devs you want are on the tracker mailing list, they will see the patch when you add it |
| 00:33:05 | Johnny | I've installed the bootloader on my 80gig and I can't seem to get it off this bootloader screen. I didn't put the .rockbox folder into the root, and restarting the thing just puts me right back at the same screen. |
| 00:33:17 | Johnny | ...Am I screwed? |
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| 00:33:38 | Mikachu | try restarting and then immediately turning on hold |
| 00:33:44 | Mikachu | that is the new way of booting retailos right? |
| 00:34:26 | Johnny | Hm, no luck. |
| 00:34:31 | Llorean | Johnny: A) The 80gb isn't supported. B) Get into the emergency disk mode (hold Menu+Select to reboot, and then Play+Select immediately until disk mode starts) and follow the uninstall directions. |
| 00:34:35 | jba | okay will log a flyspray with it |
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| 00:35:03 | Johnny | I thought it wasn't. The fact that the bootloader installed made me think otherwise. Oh well. |
| 00:35:28 | Llorean | Johnny: You should be able to uninstall it fine. |
| 00:35:37 | Llorean | Johnny: It *does* say on the front page of the site that your iPod isn't supported |
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| 00:35:47 | Johnny | Heh, I realize that now. |
| 00:35:53 | Johnny | I followed a guide from the forums. |
| 00:36:00 | dewdude_ | Johnny: it says on the front page the 80 gig isn't supported. |
| 00:36:09 | Johnny | Yeah. |
| 00:36:17 | Johnny | Thanks for the help, though. |
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| 00:38:31 | Bohboheroed | small question after you copy the WPS file into the WPS folder what needs to be done to load it after you disconnect and reboot ipod? |
| 00:39:29 | JdGordon | the audio buffer is used as a ring buffer right? |
| 00:39:49 | Juice^ | Bohboheroed: load it from the themes menu? |
| 00:40:22 | Bohboheroed | yeah i didn't see it showing up |
| 00:41:16 | Llorean | Bohboheroed: if it's JUST a WPS file, you load it from "Browse WPS" not "Browse Themes" |
| 00:41:35 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'm pretty sure it is |
| 00:42:06 | Bohboheroed | hmm maybe im just not finding the menu |
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| 00:52:27 | Bagder | a first commit |
| 00:52:39 | Llorean | And I don't think I broke anything! |
| 00:52:51 | Llorean | Not that the manual is *too* easy for me to break. |
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| 00:57:41 | KCC | So today I went over to futureshop, and to my surprise, i found a bran spankin new Gigabeat F10 sitting there on the shelf |
| 00:57:49 | KCC | and then right below it was the pricetag: |
| 00:57:55 | KCC | $219.99!!! |
| 00:58:12 | KCC | that little 'beat still fetches big prices to this day, gotta love it |
| 00:58:39 | pixelma | Bagder: did you get my mail? ...just wondering |
| 00:58:58 | Bagder | oh, yes I got it |
| 00:59:09 | Bagder | all mails about svn commit access so far have been taken care of |
| 00:59:15 | pixelma | ok.. no hurry :) |
| 00:59:24 | Bagder | I optimized away the replies ;-) |
| 00:59:41 | pixelma | hehe |
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| 01:00:10 | Bohboheroed | Can anyone tell me where the WPS options are I uploaded a new one to the ipod but haven't figured out how to select it |
| 01:00:12 | toffe | KCC : price increase since rockbox works on the gigabeat ;) |
| 01:00:26 | Llorean | Bohboheroed: See the manual. |
| 01:00:44 | Bohboheroed | I am reading through it but the PDF manual doesn't work for the 4g grey |
| 01:00:50 | Bohboheroed | it says its broken |
| 01:02:15 | pixelma | Bohboheroed: the online version is still available |
| 01:02:51 | Llorean | Bohboheroed: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray-20070109.pdf |
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| 01:03:55 | redwood | Llorean, pixelma, muesli - thanks for the help, will try to increase the stack size to see if it will stop the Stkov |
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| 01:05:23 | Bohboheroed | Thanks Llor that one is working |
| 01:05:25 | Fogles | ***PRANKS@vent.87ci.com:2-PRANKS,GAMING,RAGING,STICKAMRAGING,FREECAFEACCOUNTGIVEAWAYS,ANDMORE!!!!!!**** |
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| 01:05:42 | Mode | "#rockbox +b Fogles!*@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 01:05:42 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 01:05:48 | preglow | okies |
| 01:05:52 | bagawk | wtf |
| 01:06:22 | bagawk | spam on IRC? |
| 01:06:26 | preglow | haha |
| 01:06:36 | preglow | you must be new on irc |
| 01:06:54 | bagawk | no |
| 01:07:05 | daven | IRC 2.0 |
| 01:07:06 | Bagder | guess why they added +n ... |
| 01:07:08 | bagawk | Irssi uptime: 62d 1h 28m 42s |
| 01:07:10 | daven | ;) |
| 01:07:24 | Alonea | thats the first spam I have ever seen on here too |
| 01:07:32 | Llorean | It's fairly uncommon here. |
| 01:07:46 | bagawk | I do not go to many large channels, and I stay on freenode though |
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| 01:10:51 | preglow | i've been seeing spam/takeovers/trolls for the past 12 years or so |
| 01:10:51 | preglow | don't remem |
| 01:11:00 | preglow | i don't remember exactly when is tarted using irc |
| 01:11:06 | preglow | started too |
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| 01:11:44 | Bagder | I joined 93-94 |
| 01:11:56 | Bagder | back on efnet |
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| 01:12:41 | Bagder | but now, sleep |
| 01:12:56 | preglow | yeah, efnet |
| 01:12:59 | preglow | i'm still on that |
| 01:13:01 | Juice^ | nity |
| 01:13:04 | preglow | just not very talkative |
| 01:13:16 | dioz | hmm, 60gb ipod photo, default install of rockbox with default skin and i got maybe 3 hours shuffling a 54song playlist |
| 01:13:20 | preglow | i actually think i started out on undernet |
| 01:13:34 | dioz | does that sound about right ? |
| 01:13:47 | preglow | dioz: unfortunately, yes |
| 01:14:13 | Mikachu | is that with peakmeters? |
| 01:14:27 | dioz | i was wondering if that would make a difference.... |
| 01:14:27 | preglow | probably |
| 01:14:44 | dioz | AND is there a way to completely turn off the lcd when it's on HOLD ? |
| 01:16:00 | Alonea | dioz: I submitted a bug report on that today |
| 01:16:14 | preglow | nah, but the lcd itself doesn't need too much power |
| 01:16:17 | preglow | only the backlight |
| 01:16:28 | Llorean | Alonea: The LCD and the backlight are two different things |
| 01:18:54 | dioz | hmm |
| 01:19:12 | dioz | my cat is a savage |
| 01:19:47 | dioz | but uh, what bug are you talking about ? |
| 01:19:51 | dioz | i don't see no bugs |
| 01:20:08 | dioz | i have lice |
| 01:20:11 | dioz | bye |
| 01:20:53 | Alonea | o..k..bye too..erm, just read the bug report if you want to know about it..I asked someone else and they had the same thing... |
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| 01:23:14 | dan_a | If I wanted to edit Rockbox so it played an MP3 on startup, is there an easy way to do that? It's for a test, so it can be hacky |
| 01:23:41 | Llorean | dan_a: Resume on startup? |
| 01:24:15 | dan_a | The target I'm working on doesn't have an LCD driver, but I want to test the sound driver |
| 01:24:34 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 01:26:13 | Llorean | You could hard-code the resume to open a specific file, and the resume on startup to default to yes? It seems complicated, but then, I don't know how complicated the other options are. |
| 01:26:52 | redwood | Llorean - have not had a chance to recompile yet with the new stack size but just confirmed again by an new clean install of today's build that I still get the Stkov error |
| 01:26:59 | dan_a | If I could find where the resume settings are stored, that might be the easiest way to do it |
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| 01:27:42 | Bohboheroed | IF you aren't actively using / accessing your ipod you can ignore teh do not disconnect message correct? |
| 01:28:06 | Llorean | Bohboheroed: You should always eject it first. |
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| 01:28:35 | Lars_G | Hmmm, eject.... |
| 01:28:59 | Bohboheroed | whats the easiest way to eject it |
| 01:29:10 | Bohboheroed | Sorry this is my first day owning an Ipod |
| 01:29:59 | Lars_G | you're on linux? |
| 01:30:01 | Llorean | dan_a: I figured hacking old code to do what you want might be easier than actually putting in new code. |
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| 01:30:30 | Bohboheroed | XP I tried right click eject but said in use and I really hate to use itunes |
| 01:31:21 | dan_a | Llorean: I was sort of hoping for "Just call play_mp3_file(filename)"... but resume on startup will be OK, I think |
| 01:31:40 | dan_a | Bohboheroed: If it's telling you something is using it, then don't disconnect it |
| 01:31:44 | Llorean | dan_a: There probably is an ultra-simple way like that. I just don't know anything. :) |
| 01:31:53 | Llorean | Bohboheroed: Try the eject a second time. |
| 01:31:56 | Llorean | Windows likes to lie the first time. |
| 01:32:05 | Bohboheroed | will do thanks |
| 01:32:07 | Llorean | You should never assume that it lies, but you should always try it twice. |
| 01:33:58 | Alonea | i almost always have to do it twice before it does |
| 01:34:39 | Bohboheroed | twice worked great thanks time to uninstall itunes! |
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| 02:04:05 | jba | i think the inability to eject the first time is related to windows delayed write |
| 02:04:06 | jba | no? |
| 02:05:01 | Lars_G | it's possible |
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| 02:06:20 | jba | it always hapepens to me when i upgrade firmware, cause i unzip, close the zip app and eject |
| 02:06:41 | jba | but i find if i've had it plugged in idle for a while (or don't try to write to it) it ejects first time |
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| 02:13:02 | Llorean | dan_a: |
| 02:13:07 | Llorean | dan_a: You present? |
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| 02:13:14 | dan_a | I am! |
| 02:13:40 | Llorean | digitalpunk51 is rather high on the "problem user" list. Until I've worked out what to do with him, be careful about things he can take as antagonism. |
| 02:13:47 | * | Mouser_X is as well, though, that's not who you asked for... |
| 02:14:38 | Febs_ | Is that our special friend? |
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| 02:16:57 | dan_a | Llorean: Will do - I'll double-check what I said to him |
| 02:17:34 | Febs | dan_a: what you said was fine and he already responded. |
| 02:18:00 | Llorean | Just giving advanced warning. |
| 02:18:22 | Febs | He's still watching that thread, undoubtedly waiting for someone to take the troll bait. |
| 02:19:11 | * | Mouser_X bites. |
| 02:19:13 | Mouser_X | j/k |
| 02:19:26 | Mouser_X | I'm not even signed up on the forums. |
| 02:19:40 | Mouser_X | And I've only seen them twice... |
| 02:21:04 | dan_a | Oh yes, I see. Llorean - how do you know that he's a problem user when he only has 2 posts? |
| 02:21:16 | Lars_G | Where's the thread? |
| 02:22:34 | Llorean | dan_a: Because he was a previous user who circumvented a ban, created that account, and sent me messages from that account earlier daring me to ban him again. |
| 02:22:41 | dan_a | Lars_G: Sansa thread. It's probably best not to reply |
| 02:23:02 | Lars_G | I'm not expecting to reply I just want to see what's up. is this forum or list? |
| 02:23:30 | Febs | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225 |
| 02:23:33 | Febs | Last page. |
| 02:23:37 | Lars_G | Thank you very much |
| 02:23:44 | Llorean | Since he actively circumvented a ban (and has consequently broken Cox's acceptable use policy) I'm trying to work through their Abuse system, but it's Cox, and that name is indicative of how they create customers and non-customers alike. |
| 02:23:58 | pixelma | is that the one you talked about earlier? |
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| 02:24:28 | Llorean | Aye |
| 02:24:42 | Llorean | So far he's (kinda) behaving himself. |
| 02:26:49 | pixelma | I see |
| 02:27:30 | Llorean | He's rather determined not to be banned, but if he does become a problem I'll come up with a more encompassing solution. |
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| 02:28:31 | Llorean | I have a few (moderately draconian) ideas to solve the problem, but they'll unfortunately irritate new good users as well. |
| 02:29:26 | * | linuxstb_ reads that the AV320's USB bridge supports LBA48 |
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| 02:35:24 | perldiver | ha that sansa thread is really angry |
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| 02:44:09 | Mouser_X | I can't help but wonder, when I read this, what are the buttons/keys? |
| 02:44:09 | Mouser_X | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-190003.1.2 |
| 02:44:45 | Mouser_X | If there's something that's supposed to be in the box, under "Keys," I don't see it. |
| 02:44:55 | Mouser_X | *Key |
| 02:45:06 | perldiver | the manual doesnt have any pictures yet i think |
| 02:45:11 | perldiver | only placeholders |
| 02:45:45 | Mouser_X | I've seen a few pictures. |
| 02:47:12 | perldiver | yeah, a few |
| 02:50:41 | perldiver | oh cisco is sueing apple now |
| 02:50:42 | perldiver | nice |
| 02:51:12 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 02:51:19 | Mouser_X | For the iPhone thing? |
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| 02:51:22 | fasmaie | anyone here use RB on a gigabeat? |
| 02:51:28 | Mouser_X | I will. |
| 02:51:30 | d47 | i do |
| 02:52:17 | fasmaie | d47: do you know how to save a playlist...I can name it, but I don't know which button to use to actually save it |
| 02:52:25 | * | Mouser_X should be getting his TGB (as opposed to Gigabyte, or Gameboy) within a week, hopefully. |
| 02:52:33 | d47 | the power button |
| 02:52:46 | fasmaie | d47: I guess I need to hold it |
| 02:52:51 | fasmaie | ? |
| 02:53:00 | d47 | i think, let me try |
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| 02:53:17 | perldiver | fasmaie its all in the manual? |
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| 02:54:53 | fasmaie | perldiver: it says in the manual to 'accept' the name...but it does not say what button to use |
| 02:54:56 | linuxstb_ | fasmaie: Looking at the keymaps (apps/keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c), it looks like a short press on POWER to exit the keyboard. |
| 02:55:15 | fasmaie | linuxstb_: |
| 02:55:18 | fasmaie | linuxstb_: thanks |
| 02:55:27 | perldiver | and yes, power button should save it |
| 02:56:18 | d47 | yeh, i just tried, power button works for me |
| 02:57:24 | Alonea | fasmaie: I use rockboy. works great |
| 02:57:35 | fasmaie | Thanks everyone |
| 02:57:47 | fasmaie | I was holding the power button for too long |
| 02:58:12 | fasmaie | Alonea: yes it does |
| 02:58:42 | fasmaie | Was just taking me a bit to adjust to the interface, coming from rockbox on the iPod |
| 02:58:46 | Alonea | no problems with sound at all really. At least none that I noticed |
| 02:59:07 | perldiver | it would be nice to be able to map up and down buttons though |
| 02:59:24 | fasmaie | Not in the gigabeat port....I was having a little trouble with the iPod port on my 4G greyscale |
| 02:59:31 | fasmaie | But fixed that |
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| 03:00:14 | fasmaie | gigabeat sounds much better than my old iPod |
| 03:01:03 | Alonea | fasmaie: yeah, the cpu is quite nice. |
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| 03:01:46 | perldiver | its almost impossible to play most of the games on the cross without up/down buttons functioning |
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| 03:02:11 | fasmaie | Just need to find a nice skin for it |
| 03:02:24 | fasmaie | perldiver: I can imagine |
| 03:02:49 | perldiver | otherwise its great yeah :) |
| 03:03:31 | KCC | Mouser_X: i fooled around with an F10 today at future shop, I love that thing! mine comes in a couple days...! |
| 03:03:56 | perldiver | you should've gone for f20 |
| 03:04:22 | perldiver | black, probably one of the best mp3 players ever made |
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| 03:04:33 | fasmaie | I got the f40....from the wife |
| 03:04:35 | d47 | i got f20, but i couldnt find the black 1 |
| 03:04:52 | kkurbjun | Is there anything I need to do to activate my svn account after the move? |
| 03:05:18 | scorche | mail Bagder...see the dev ml |
| 03:05:51 | scorche | and then laugh at safetydan ;) |
| 03:06:08 | perldiver | http://www.iriver.co.kr/event/ces2007/c_event.asp?mode=6 |
| 03:06:09 | Cassandra | But first you must obtain an authorisation to mail Badger. I sell these for a very reasonable 99.99. |
| 03:06:10 | kkurbjun | : ), why is that? |
| 03:06:29 | scorche | just see the ml and you will understand |
| 03:06:46 | kkurbjun | haha, I see |
| 03:06:51 | perldiver | love the mini keyboard |
| 03:08:00 | Cassandra | Oh, and you have to wear a police uniform when you mail him. We'll know if you cheat. |
| 03:09:40 | dan_a | Oops. I dressed as Sting when I did it - does that count? |
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| 03:10:22 | perldiver | what sting costume really consists of? |
| 03:10:33 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Dubious, but your supreme ruler (ie me) is feeling generous today. You may live. But not have SVN access. |
| 03:10:43 | * | Llorean got SVN access. |
| 03:10:52 | Llorean | I cheated though, I wore a Rockbox Developer Disguise. |
| 03:12:43 | Cassandra | Disguising yourself as something you are, eh? Cunning. No wonder Bagder was confused into granting you access. He will be punished later, but what's done is done. |
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| 03:30:36 | scubacoles | Hi all, can someone with write priveliges to the Wiki add "MAX - Mac Audio X" from sbooth.org/max to the CD Rippers Section in Twiki/Main/UsefulTools, It's a MacOS X only app obviously |
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| 03:59:43 | Alonea | someone mind helping me understand cygwin? I was following the instructions and I got it going and stuff It said something about cross compiling and it should of done it, but if it failed do so and so in nano? How do I know if it failed or not? |
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| 04:04:23 | Febs | Alonea, you might get a better response if you phrase your question more clearly. You've used the word "it" six times in two sentences. |
| 04:06:15 | Alonea | ok. I am completely new the program and dont really have any idea what I am doing. On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment , Step 4 it says This is automatically done by the installation script. " Then it says it might of failed. How do you know if it failed or not? |
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| 04:12:47 | sneakums | is it the following error? |
| 04:12:49 | sneakums | WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the |
| 04:12:49 | sneakums | WARNING: checks we want now. |
| 04:12:57 | sneakums | if os, then you need to add the cross compiler to your PATH |
| 04:13:51 | sneakums | oh, step 4 tells you how to do that, never mind |
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| 04:15:05 | Alonea | ok, it didn't do any of that. Now, what about basic commands? Like, how to call up a directory? Do I type it in like C:\Windows or do I need to do something else? Or do I need to goto the cygwin and look for a guide there? |
| 04:15:32 | jba | shonky, hey hye how goes mate |
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| 04:18:59 | Phish| | I have a Sony microphone that i'd like to use with my 5g 30gb ipod video to record. I know you need to do line-in through the dock connector. What dock connector do I need so that I can plug the microphone in, rather than use a line-in cable. The microphone has the same size plug as the headphone jack accepts. |
| 04:19:44 | Soap | you'd need a line-in adapter for your dock port (for sure), and a pre-amp for the microphone (most likely) |
| 04:20:20 | Alonea | my other question is about getting the source code (I am simply trying to install patches). http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling Now I wanted to get it from the CVS and I managed to do it, but since its svn now, is there a new command? |
| 04:21:04 | Phish| | Soap: so then the line-in adapter just has the correct jack on it for me to plug the mic in? I assumed I'd need some special female converter. |
| 04:21:28 | Soap | the physical connection is only 1/2 the issue. |
| 04:21:44 | Soap | A microphone does not produce signals at a line level. |
| 04:21:45 | Phish| | well the mic is a powered mic with a pre-amp of its own |
| 04:21:59 | Soap | Thus you need a mircophone amp. |
| 04:22:11 | Mikachu | i thought you could record through the headphone jack on ipod videos |
| 04:22:23 | Phish| | Mikachu: that stopped with the 4g |
| 04:22:34 | Phish| | seems like it might just be easier to throw rockbox on my 4g |
| 04:22:45 | Mikachu | i just know you can't on my nano :) |
| 04:23:06 | Llorean | Mikachu: But there are plenty of people willing to claim otherwise |
| 04:23:42 | Mikachu | people are willing to claim lots of things |
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| 04:25:19 | Phish| | sheesh....the line in adapter is a touch expensive |
| 04:25:23 | Alonea | ok, nevermind on the basic commands, I think I got it. But my SVN question still stands |
| 04:25:45 | Soap | how much Phish? |
| 04:25:46 | Llorean | Alonea: Yes, SVN requires new instructions |
| 04:26:12 | Phish| | Soap: $40 according to one website that has a bunch of different connectors |
| 04:26:25 | Alonea | Llorean: Do you know how to download the source then through that or is it not up yet? |
| 04:26:50 | Soap | Phish|: make one yourself. The connectors are cheap. For $40 you could make yourself dozens of them. |
| 04:27:03 | Mikachu | Alonea: the command is in topic |
| 04:27:31 | Phish| | Soap: unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about wiring or electronics |
| 04:27:52 | Llorean | I can't remember the exact patch |
| 04:27:55 | Alonea | Mikachu: ok, did not know that was what that was. ^^;; shall try it. |
| 04:28:02 | Llorean | It was something like svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk |
| 04:28:13 | Llorean | Oh, almost goti t |
| 04:28:16 | * | Llorean sees the topic |
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| 04:28:56 | Soap | Phish|: out of curiosity - If I made a wiki tutorial on making iPod dock connectors - would you try it? Or would I be wasting my time? |
| 04:29:07 | Phish| | i'd certainly try it |
| 04:29:21 | Phish| | i'm a musician....being able to record my practice sessions on my ipod would be amazing |
| 04:29:51 | Alonea | ok now, here it says "Typing the command cd.. goes back out of the folder" tried that and it says bad command. |
| 04:30:12 | Soap | cd<space>.. |
| 04:30:52 | Soap | (though I just tried it, cd.. works in DOS) |
| 04:31:04 | Alonea | ah. ok. I will get the hang of this eventually. thanks for everyones patience |
| 04:31:12 | Mikachu | alias cd..='cd ..' |
| 04:32:00 | Alonea | yeah, I remember DOS and it seems pretty much the same somewhat... |
| 04:33:11 | perldiver | Phish| |
| 04:33:13 | perldiver | http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/belkin-tunestudio-mixer-ipod.jpg |
| 04:33:23 | perldiver | dirt cheap as well |
| 04:33:30 | Phish| | oh cool |
| 04:33:44 | Alonea | oh, do I need to get a svn package for cygwin? the command didn't work. |
| 04:34:29 | perldiver | Phish| hitting stores close to summer |
| 04:34:34 | perldiver | around $150 |
| 04:35:14 | Mikachu | Alonea: probably, i heard you want 1.4.x, not 1.3.x |
| 04:35:28 | Phish| | perldiver: that'll definitely be my long term solution |
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| 04:36:08 | Alonea | Mikachu: Yeah, I see 1.4.x on the list under devel. Do I need to get anything else? |
| 04:36:18 | perldiver | Phish| i think it should be an OK device with reasonably price tag |
| 04:36:20 | Mikachu | i dunno |
| 04:37:05 | Phish| | perldiver: it should do well....it records at the standard rates for a finished-product cd |
| 04:37:21 | Alonea | well, I shall just try all the subversion 1.4 stuff under devel and see if the command works after that. |
| 04:37:30 | Phish| | you don't really have the option to work in higher "resolution" and then downconvert, but for what i want it for, it's perfect |
| 04:38:09 | perldiver | well thats limited by the ipod itself |
| 04:38:23 | Phish| | right |
| 04:43:04 | Phish| | Soap: if you do that tutorial, just let me know what help you need from me and i'll do what i can |
| 04:43:18 | Phish| | time to go practice cello for now though |
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| 04:43:42 | Alonea | yay! its downloading the source. |
| 04:44:35 | Mikachu | that was sort of unexpected |
| 04:44:42 | Mikachu | (the cello) |
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| 04:45:37 | Alonea | now all the patching and compiling instructions should be the same, correct? |
| 04:45:38 | tamitall | Does anyone happen to have an idea bout why my new rockbox'd iriver H10 20gb won't connect via USB? |
| 04:46:21 | Mikachu | Alonea: yeah i can't imagine why not |
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| 04:47:35 | Alonea | Mikachu: I get excited over things I have never done before. To me, this is really cool. I like learning new things |
| 04:48:43 | Mikachu | the first time i ran a selfcompiled x server i was pretty amazed too :) |
| 04:49:27 | Phish|cello | that's because sometimes getting that stuff to compile is a minor miracle |
| 04:49:38 | Phish|cello | especially before you really understand what you're doing |
| 04:50:09 | Alonea | yup. remember my compy sci class from a few years ago. |
| 04:50:16 | Mikachu | i think it was around xfree 4.1 or 4.2 or something |
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| 04:50:30 | Alonea | I am finally getting back into it and thats now my major |
| 04:51:05 | Phish|cello | hmmm, should i keep my 4g ipod and put rockbox on it or give it to my mom :-/ |
| 04:53:15 | Mouser_X | Give it to me? |
| 04:53:20 | Mouser_X | )j/k) |
| 04:53:20 | DogBoy | or me |
| 04:53:29 | DogBoy | I'm serious |
| 04:53:44 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 04:54:23 | Phish|cello | i think i'd rather put a bigger hard drive in it and use it for recording :) |
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| 04:55:29 | Mouser_X | Understandable. |
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| 05:05:20 | Alonea | ok, I selected my platform, which is gigabeat, and I selected Normal Build. and now it says ..tools/configure: line 1359: arm-elf-gcc: command not found then a Warning saying that (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path |
| 05:05:51 | redwoo1 | hey Llorean I changed the default stack size and got rid of the Stkov error I was experiencing earlier |
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| 05:16:29 | Alonea | reinstalling arm-elf-gcc and seeing if that helps... |
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| 05:27:53 | Alonea | ok, it keeps saying that the arm-elf-gcc: command not found. and not in your path...so does this mean the cross compiler actually didn't go on? |
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| 05:34:16 | Phish|cello | and my 4g now officially records properly |
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| 05:34:30 | redwoo1 | Alonea - did you edit /etc rpofile to include the path? |
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| 05:34:42 | redwoo1 | sorry /etc/profile |
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| 05:35:26 | Alonea | umm no...didnt know I needed to. Following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment. think goffa has got my solution in gigabeat channel |
| 05:36:10 | redwoo1 | Alonea - look at step 4 in that guide |
| 05:36:57 | Phish|cello | though i was thinking....if apple's DRM was cracked by playing the file through itunes and capturing the AAC frames, shouldn't it theoretically be possible to store the info needed for the drm in a directory on a rockbox ipod, then write a plugin that fools the file in to thinking it's running in itunes, then capture the AAC frames and output to the headphones? |
| 05:37:22 | Phish|cello | that way you can listen to protected content, but only if you own it |
| 05:37:36 | Alonea | yeah, thats what I am doing. I didn't know how to start nano. Asked goffa and he said nano ~/.bashrc |
| 05:37:47 | Llorean | Phish|cello: iPods synced with iTunes DRMed songs already have the data on disk to decode them. |
| 05:38:10 | Phish|cello | right but rockbox doesn't have access to the data, does it? |
| 05:38:14 | Llorean | Phish|cello: That's why some methods of stripping it require an iPod to be attached. |
| 05:38:54 | Llorean | The data's there. Rockbox can use it as easily as SharpMusique or whatever, if it really cared to, but removing DRM in any manner becomes a gray area. |
| 05:38:57 | Alonea | now, I typed that in, so, now how to I get to the line that says: PATH=/usr/local/etc. etc... |
| 05:39:06 | Phish|cello | Llorean: i'm not talking about removing the DRM |
| 05:39:07 | Llorean | Even if it's just playback of legally owned songs |
| 05:39:16 | Llorean | Phish|cello: You are removing it, even if only in RAM |
| 05:39:27 | Phish|cello | well yes, i suppose you are |
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| 05:39:46 | Phish|cello | but if you only allow it if the user knows the account info for the tracks, it shouldnt matter |
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| 05:40:18 | Phish|cello | though you run in to the issue of never being able to make the source publically available, lest you be accused of supporting piracy |
| 05:40:21 | Larsie | hi |
| 05:40:31 | redwoo1 | alonea - you have /etc/profile open in an editor? |
| 05:40:42 | Llorean | Phish|cello: Actually, current de-DRMing methods of the iTunes songs already require you to be the actual "owner" of the songs |
| 05:40:49 | Phish|cello | right |
| 05:40:52 | Llorean | Your account info is stored on your iPod. |
| 05:41:07 | Llorean | But publishing the decryption algorithm is questionable. |
| 05:41:10 | Alonea | redwoo1: have noooo idea |
| 05:41:14 | Phish|cello | right |
| 05:41:17 | Llorean | And in the united states at least, even decrypting them in that way is a breach of the DMCA |
| 05:41:21 | Alonea | redwoo1: have never used nano |
| 05:41:30 | redwoo1 | it's an editor |
| 05:41:41 | Phish|cello | Llorean: yeah, though most would argue tha telling me what devices i can use my music on is actually illegal as well |
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| 05:41:58 | Alonea | yeah...i figured. but I dont know how to use it |
| 05:42:01 | Llorean | Phish|cello: Oh, there's no question of iTunes' legality |
| 05:42:09 | redwoo1 | alonea - i'm not too familiar with nano but it should be easy enough |
| 05:42:13 | Llorean | Phish|cello: You signed an agreement stating that you would accept their conditions on the music. |
| 05:42:13 | Phish|cello | but that's not the issue i'm really dealing with....i'm saying that in theory, it should be fairly easy to play drm-encoded songs on rockbox using AAC frame capture |
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| 05:42:22 | Larsie | I'm working on my first usefull patch for rockbox :D Allow Backlight Brightness and proper PWM fading on 4g greyscale/photo/color :) |
| 05:42:25 | redwoo1 | alonea - lemme see if i have it installed |
| 05:42:28 | Llorean | So it became legal the instant you signed that document. |
| 05:42:38 | Larsie | it's already kind of working :) |
| 05:42:48 | Llorean | Phish|cello: Oh yeah, in theory, Rockbox-on-iPod could be made to play iTunes DRMed music in a manner that preserves the encryption on the songs. |
| 05:42:52 | redwoo1 | alonea - i don't |
| 05:43:05 | redwoo1 | i usually use vim for editing |
| 05:43:14 | Llorean | Phish|cello: I don't know what you're talking about by "AAC frame capture", you'd really just play them back much the way the iPod does: Decrypt to RAM, play. |
| 05:43:32 | Alonea | umm, I might have that...dunno. How do I know if I got that? |
| 05:43:34 | Phish|cello | Llorean: FairUse used that method in their DRM-stripper |
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| 05:44:10 | Phish|cello | play the music through itunes legally using your account info, then literally record the data post-decryption and save it to a non-encrypted file |
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| 05:44:20 | Phish|cello | specifically m4a |
| 05:44:31 | Phish|cello | which happens to be AAC |
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| 05:44:43 | Llorean | Phish|cello: If that were the case, the file would have to be decrypted before syncing to the iPod. |
| 05:44:58 | Llorean | If it requires iTunes to play the song to capture the frames, it's somewhat useless for Rockbox. |
| 05:45:29 | Phish|cello | well right, but what i'm arguing is that you could write a plugin to fool the drm in to thinking it IS running on itunes, but using the account info already stored on the ipod |
| 05:45:55 | Llorean | That's not really how DRM works. |
| 05:46:02 | redwoo1 | alonea - I guess you are doing the cygwin compile for the 1st time using the instructions from the wiki? |
| 05:46:16 | Llorean | There's no program code to fool in the m4p files. You just have to be able to decrypt them. |
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| 05:46:45 | Phish| | hmmm |
| 05:47:13 | Phish| | well even if you could figure out the encryption method yourself, you could still potentially be sued by apple for implementing it |
| 05:47:17 | Phish| | which is unfortunate |
| 05:47:29 | dewdude_ | the best thing to do is avoid buying from itunes store. |
| 05:47:42 | Llorean | Yeah, I don't really see the point of supporting the iTunes store anyway |
| 05:47:51 | Alonea | redwoo1: yup...though its kinda wierd cause you and goffa are explaining |
| 05:47:58 | Phish| | because i get a ton of classical music from that store much cheaper than i can get it elsewhere |
| 05:48:00 | dewdude_ | personally, if you're running rockbox, you oughta be enough of a geek to know better. |
| 05:48:34 | Phish| | plus there isn't really huge selection of classical music available for illegal download |
| 05:48:43 | Llorean | Nobody's suggesting illegal download. |
| 05:48:50 | Llorean | I'm just not a fan of telling apple "It's okay to rent me my music" |
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| 05:49:30 | Phish| | eh, i guess for now that means just stripping the drm, which doesn't bother me at all |
| 05:49:46 | dewdude_ | good luck with that. |
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| 05:50:12 | Phish| | dewdude_: i've already done it....the FairUse app is all over the internet |
| 05:50:28 | Llorean | You're still giving them money though, which supports the DRM whether you strip it or not. |
| 05:50:57 | Phish| | Llorean: i understand that. but financially it's much cheaper than going out and buying a classical music cd for the one track i want |
| 05:51:04 | dewdude_ | yeah...but does it actually strip the DRM...or just use some tricky method to decode the data then re-encode it. |
| 05:51:33 | Phish| | dewdude_: it plays the file through itunes and then captures the decrypted data and re-writes it without drm to a .m4a file |
| 05:51:47 | dewdude_ | before or after decoding? |
| 05:51:52 | Phish| | after decoding |
| 05:52:03 | dewdude_ | ok, so you're basically re-encoding the file. |
| 05:52:12 | Phish| | yes, but without any drm |
| 05:52:34 | dewdude_ | but you're re-encoding the file. you're taking a lossy file, decoding it, then applying the same lossy tecnhique to it. |
| 05:52:55 | Phish| | correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't AAC lossless? |
| 05:53:11 | Llorean | No, AAC isn't lossless |
| 05:53:31 | Llorean | dewdude_: Fairplay actually doesn't transcode. It captures the decrypted, but still encoded, data, as far as I'm aware |
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| 05:53:39 | Phish| | Llorean: correct |
| 05:53:46 | dewdude_ | oh, that's different then. |
| 05:54:02 | Phish| | so you're "saving" not re-encoding |
| 05:54:04 | dewdude_ | i didn't know they had actually done that...then again, last time i had anything with DRM was WMA files from 1999 |
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| 05:54:23 | dewdude_ | i haven't kept up on how the indistry is trying to screw me. |
| 05:54:29 | dewdude_ | *industry |
| 05:54:30 | Phish| | i didnt even know you could do it until about 10 minutes ago |
| 05:54:34 | Phish| | when i googled it |
| 05:54:58 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 05:55:07 | Mouser_X | So, what did you Google? |
| 05:55:27 | Phish| | i doubt this is the place to go about speaking of illegal things |
| 05:55:35 | Phish| | in specifics, anyway |
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| 05:56:08 | Llorean | Phish| speaks a truth. |
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| 05:57:55 | combrains | i believe another cool app combo for stripping DRM is JHymn + Fairkeys |
| 05:58:09 | Phish| | it's unfortunate to have to do, as i don't support stealing music(being a musician and all) |
| 05:58:15 | Alonea | #gigabeat |
| 05:58:23 | Phish| | but for those of us who use classical music recordings as a study tool, it gets way too expensive |
| 05:58:39 | Phish| | much more than a minor annoyance of saving up a few bucks to buy the next staind album |
| 05:59:00 | Phish| | i could spend $500 in any given semester of college on study recordings alone |
| 05:59:18 | combrains | I just agree with Llorean. I don't like the idea of not actually owning the copy of the song I have bought |
| 05:59:39 | Phish| | well theoretically you do, because you can burn the albums to a cd |
| 05:59:51 | Phish| | and they no longer have any drm on them...they function just like a normal audio cd |
| 05:59:53 | Llorean | Alonea: What about #Gigabeat? |
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| 06:00:06 | Mouser_X | The only reason this interests me at all, is because my sister downloaded a song off of iTunes (what was she thinking?), and wants to be able to play it in other media applications. |
| 06:00:07 | Phish| | you can rip them back to mp3 and put them on whatever device you want |
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| 06:00:13 | Llorean | Phish|: Yes, but if you ever rip them again, you destroy the already less-than-CD audio quality |
| 06:00:23 | combrains | exactly |
| 06:00:38 | combrains | they should be selling uncompressed audio |
| 06:00:44 | Phish| | i will agree with that |
| 06:00:54 | combrains | or at least audio encoded in a lossless manner |
| 06:01:00 | redwoo1 | alonea - sorry got bumped |
| 06:01:02 | Llorean | combrains: Mindawn sells FLAC music. |
| 06:01:11 | scorche | i think allofmp3.com is the only one that legally sells lossless |
| 06:01:14 | Alonea | Llorean: I have yet to figure out how to join that channel...er, I think I was supposed to but something else before the # thing...have nooo idea. I accidentally closed the channel. |
| 06:01:17 | Llorean | scorche: And mindawn. |
| 06:01:21 | scorche | never heard of mindawn |
| 06:01:25 | Llorean | scorche: And allofmp3.com is no longer "legal". |
| 06:01:31 | combrains | do those sites operate outside the US |
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| 06:01:38 | Alonea | redwoo1: thats ok. I am sorta getting it. I found the profile file, now looking for the path thing... |
| 06:01:39 | Zeraphe | Allofmp3 is too legal. |
| 06:01:41 | scorche | Llorean: it is in russia |
| 06:01:45 | Phish| | i could see why they wouldnt do that 3 or 4 years ago, but now everyone has a decent broadband connection, downloading the larger files should be no issue |
| 06:01:47 | redwoo1 | alonea - cool |
| 06:01:51 | Llorean | Mindawn sells FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis, operates wholly legally in the US (none of the questionability of allofmp3), etc. |
| 06:02:03 | Llorean | scorche: Russia's changed its laws, didn't you hear Allofmp3 is being successfully sued now? |
| 06:02:07 | Phish| | how big is their collection, Llorean? |
| 06:02:13 | combrains | im in NZ so probly no good to me :( |
| 06:02:16 | Llorean | Phish|: It's moderately large, but not at all mainstream. |
| 06:02:21 | scorche | i did, but i heard russia wasnt doing anything about it |
| 06:02:37 | Llorean | scorche: Last I heard, Russia had changed its copyright law under US pressure, and now *was* doing something about it |
| 06:02:57 | scorche | last i heard, they changed it, but still didnt show any signs of wanting to stop it |
| 06:03:03 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 06:03:09 | Llorean | Either way, it is now technically illegal in Russia. |
| 06:03:13 | scorche | and they are being sued for more than Russia's GDP |
| 06:03:42 | Zeraphe | I can't believe the Russians caved. |
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| 06:04:25 | scorche | i cant believe that they are seriously being sued for that much... |
| 06:04:32 | Zeraphe | That makes me sick, that the RIAA can influence world affairs. |
| 06:04:34 | Llorean | scorche: Either way, I've never been a fan of allofmp3 either, just because even if it was technically legal, it was ethically far too gray for my tastes. |
| 06:04:47 | redwoo1 | alonea - did you find an editor to use? |
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| 06:04:55 | Llorean | Zeraphe: You think AllOfMP3.com got any more money to the artists than the RIAA does? |
| 06:05:07 | Llorean | Honestly, if you care about the artists, the RIAA probably got them *more* money than they do. |
| 06:05:21 | Alonea | redwoo1: ok, I put in what the step 4 of the Cygwin Developmwnt page told me to. Now, I need to save it. |
| 06:05:30 | Llorean | But there are online stores that actually give the artists a fair share of the song's cost, don't DRM the music, and aren't questionable at all. |
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| 06:06:04 | scorche | Llorean: i was just putting the point out and that they are being sued for a ludicrous amount...not like i ever used them |
| 06:06:07 | goffa | Llorean: i'm with you there.. i'm loving lala.com |
| 06:06:19 | goffa | you have to make it digi yourself.. but whatever |
| 06:06:31 | Llorean | scorche: It is definitely a ludicrous amount |
| 06:06:36 | dewdude_ | i've always got the bookstore |
| 06:06:39 | redwoo1 | alonea - which editor are you using? |
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| 06:07:24 | Llorean | scorche: It could actually be near how much they'd owe if they were US based, though. But in reality, as far as I'm concerned, RIAA shouldn't be able to ask for reparations, just that they're shut down now that they're illegal. |
| 06:07:34 | Alonea | redwoo1: the nano thing. |
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| 06:07:38 | Zeraphe | One overzealous special interest group should not have sway over world trade agreements. |
| 06:08:16 | Phish| | i would think that the RIAA could probably be held legally accountable for harassment for some of the lawsuits they've persued |
| 06:08:29 | Zeraphe | Llorean, didn't they sue for 10k per song or something? |
| 06:08:30 | Phish| | should someone decide to push hard enough, that is |
| 06:08:36 | goffa | yeah.. they need to be shut down imo |
| 06:08:43 | goffa | they are not protecting artists interest anymore |
| 06:08:58 | Phish| | goffa: exactly. it's more like they're just trying to prove that they're right |
| 06:09:07 | Phish| | like a kid who has lost an argument but isn't willing to admit it |
| 06:09:14 | goffa | they keep 70% of the revenue they take in |
| 06:09:40 | Llorean | Zeraphe: No clue, honestly |
| 06:09:41 | goffa | the intent of copywrite law was this: "you cannot make money off of someone else's work" |
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| 06:09:55 | goffa | well add "by calling it your own" |
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| 06:10:16 | Phish| | i think it would be an easier fight for the consumer to win if the majority of music sold today wasn't so recyclable |
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| 06:10:23 | goffa | p2p is still grey because 99.999% of people aren't doing it for monetary gain |
| 06:10:27 | Zeraphe | goffa, if it was just "can't make money off of someone else's work" the RIAA would have to find themselves guilty. |
| 06:10:34 | goffa | however that won't stand up in court |
| 06:10:45 | goffa | the star spangled banner is pirated :) |
| 06:10:50 | Llorean | If an artist uses Mindawn, it costs $50/year to put content on there, and they get 55% of what users pay for non-exclusive content, and 75% of Mindawn-exclusive content |
| 06:10:51 | Zeraphe | Hahaha |
| 06:10:55 | Alonea | redwoo1, goffa: ok, I thought I had saved it but the error is still coming up... |
| 06:10:56 | goffa | old drinknig song |
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| 06:11:07 | Phish| | anymore you buy the CD that has whatever is playing on the radio today. then when the radio producers change their minds, they convince you the old stuff is useless and that you should buy new stuff |
| 06:11:31 | Phish| | so drm doesn't really matter for the masses because they play it for a week and forget about it anyway |
| 06:11:57 | redwoo1 | alonea - saving in nano is ctrl+x and then it will prompt you yes or no |
| 06:12:12 | goffa | well riaa is counter productive because it doesn't protect art... instead its all based on what is marketed best |
| 06:12:20 | Phish| | anyway, i'm gonna go try to record some cello playing on my ipod and see how it comes out |
| 06:12:20 | dewdude_ | there's a reason it's called mainstream...it's shallow and fast moving. |
| 06:12:21 | Mouser_X | I haven't listened to the radio in 6+ years (perhaps 10, by now...) |
| 06:12:22 | Phish| | be back in a bit |
| 06:12:23 | Alonea | redwoo1: did that. and I just checked back and the change is still there. lemme double check it is correct |
| 06:12:27 | goffa | and squashes arttists due to inexposure |
| 06:12:28 | Llorean | Phish|: Well, I see some classical on Mindawn. You should at least check it out. |
| 06:12:37 | redwoo1 | alonea - ok |
| 06:12:37 | Phish| | Llorean: yeah i'm browsing through it |
| 06:12:44 | Phish| | will dig deeper in a bit |
| 06:12:57 | Llorean | I just like them because of the format choice, and how up front they are about how much the artists get. |
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| 06:13:16 | combrains | the RIAA, like Apra, only collects royalties on an artists behalf |
| 06:13:25 | combrains | they dont profit |
| 06:13:30 | Zeraphe | Bullshit. |
| 06:13:35 | goffa | riaa proffits |
| 06:13:38 | combrains | they distribulte the royalties to the artists |
| 06:13:49 | goffa | 30% artist 70% riaa |
| 06:13:55 | goffa | ACTUAL figures |
| 06:13:56 | Zeraphe | I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, combrains . |
| 06:13:57 | Mouser_X | At least. |
| 06:14:06 | Mouser_X | (I've heard it was higher for RIAA) |
| 06:14:15 | Zeraphe | Real cheap. |
| 06:14:22 | goffa | well those are the ones that the riaa admits to |
| 06:14:23 | combrains | ok, but thats not how our APRA works |
| 06:14:40 | goffa | and i'm not talking apra.. i'm simply talking riaa |
| 06:14:44 | goffa | i know nothing about apra |
| 06:14:50 | Llorean | combrains: APRA has a .gov website... |
| 06:15:13 | combrains | i was told that the two did the same job |
| 06:15:15 | Alonea | redwoo1: ok, I checked it, was missing a : , tried again and it still no worky... |
| 06:15:27 | goffa | riaa does not include all labels .. only the 4 major |
| 06:15:31 | Alonea | redwoo1: unless I need to exit and come back? |
| 06:15:37 | redwoo1 | you do |
| 06:15:46 | Llorean | combrains: RIAA is probably *supposed* to do the same job. |
| 06:15:58 | goffa | so the independants don't see any of that and actually are hurt by riaa's control of radio and media |
| 06:16:00 | combrains | yeah |
| 06:16:37 | combrains | who here knows much about how music copyright works? |
| 06:16:51 | goffa | p2p is actually good for independant artists |
| 06:16:54 | Mouser_X | My brother does, but he's not here. |
| 06:17:06 | goffa | what do you need to know combrains? |
| 06:17:08 | combrains | goffa, yes it is |
| 06:17:11 | Mouser_X | He's a freelance musician. |
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| 06:17:34 | goffa | that's why the riaa wants to shut it down.. because its bad for them |
| 06:17:35 | Zeraphe | goffa, I agree. I've bought several CDs never would have looked twice at if it weren't for p2p/ |
| 06:17:36 | goffa | the monopoly |
| 06:17:37 | redwoo1 | aren't all musician's freelance? |
| 06:17:48 | combrains | when an artist makes a record, there are 2 copyrights on that record |
| 06:17:49 | goffa | redwoo1: unless under contract |
| 06:18:00 | Alonea | redwoo1, goffa: ok, in business now. |
| 06:18:02 | Llorean | redwoo1: Until they're convinced to sign a contract that seems better than it is. |
| 06:18:07 | goffa | cool Alonea |
| 06:18:19 | combrains | one is on the song, and the other is on the RECORDING |
| 06:18:19 | redwoo1 | alonea excellent |
| 06:18:25 | Alonea | for some reason I cannot seem to type today. ^^;;; |
| 06:18:33 | redwoo1 | i never can |
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| 06:19:30 | combrains | the reason that the record companies do not like p2p is not because its hurting the artists, its because they are not making mony off the copyright that they have on the recording |
| 06:19:47 | combrains | otherwise known as the paralell copyright |
| 06:20:10 | goffa | combrains: because they are too shortsighted to see that p2p is actually free marketing |
| 06:20:17 | combrains | haha |
| 06:20:51 | goffa | honestly every song downloaded would not equate to a sale |
| 06:20:53 | redwoo1 | gtg bye all |
| 06:20:58 | Alonea | is there a paste in cygwin? |
| 06:21:09 | combrains | thats how I view p2p as well - I have bought about 9 CD's as a result of being able to sample them off p2p first |
| 06:21:18 | goffa | exactly |
| 06:21:21 | redwoo1 | alonea - right click |
| 06:21:47 | goffa | yes there are people that would never buy music again if given the option |
| 06:21:56 | Alonea | redwoo1: nothing happens |
| 06:22:06 | combrains | but our copyright law here in NZ (and other countries) states that ANY copy is illegal |
| 06:22:07 | goffa | but that's not everyone |
| 06:22:09 | Mouser_X | Most of the stuff I'd buy, I can't get in the US anyway... |
| 06:22:15 | Alonea | redwoo1: oh, ok, you gotta right click near the top |
| 06:22:17 | goffa | yeah.. we at least have fair use |
| 06:22:23 | Mouser_X | And, that which I can, is very hard to find. |
| 06:22:25 | goffa | where you can back up any media |
| 06:22:31 | combrains | that is why we have all of the lawsuits |
| 06:22:37 | goffa | which is also what makes p2p grey |
| 06:22:51 | goffa | because i am legally allowed to download a cd i own as a form of backup |
| 06:22:54 | redwoo1 | alonea - good luck, gtg |
| 06:23:00 | Alonea | thanks |
| 06:23:03 | goffa | most people don't know that though |
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| 06:23:25 | combrains | goffa, our govt is working on a provision for backups etc and for ripping cd's to ipod etc |
| 06:23:42 | Llorean | goffa: Actually, in the US at least, you're legally allowed to *create* a backup. |
| 06:23:44 | Phish| | wow |
| 06:23:46 | combrains | here - that backup is technically illegal |
| 06:23:59 | Phish| | cool....recording on my 4g actually gave me really good sound quality |
| 06:24:04 | Phish| | without adjusting the gain or anything |
| 06:24:07 | Llorean | goffa: It's illegal for them to provide the file to you, though, so by downloading it at the very least you're an accomplice to their crime. |
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| 06:24:34 | goffa | Llorean: another thing that hasn't been tested in court |
| 06:24:51 | goffa | because they are legally allowed to provide you with the music if you own it |
| 06:24:56 | Llorean | No, they aren't. |
| 06:25:01 | goffa | they are not allowed to distribute it to those who don't own it |
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| 06:25:07 | Llorean | Copyright law explicitly states that you may *make* your backup. |
| 06:25:14 | Llorean | Not that anyone can provide you with it. |
| 06:25:23 | combrains | but NZ tends to go by written law whereas the US tends to go by case law |
| 06:26:06 | combrains | Llorean, there was a case in the US a few years ago |
| 06:26:06 | goffa | but like i said.. its been untested in court |
| 06:26:32 | Phish| | anyone looking to buy a sony minidisc recorder? |
| 06:26:37 | combrains | it involved a group called NWA who had permission to use a sample in one of their tracks |
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| 06:27:24 | combrains | a movie producer then got permission from NWA to use that track in his movie but didnt go back to the owner of the sample to aske for his permission |
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| 06:27:48 | combrains | the copyright owner of the sample then sued |
| 06:28:26 | Phish| | well i think legally at that point, they wouldn't have to go back to the original material owner |
| 06:28:32 | Phish| | because they used a track that was the property of NWA |
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| 06:28:48 | combrains | and the judge ruled that the use of the sample in the movie was ilegal - effectivly ruleing all sampling of copyrighted material illegal |
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| 06:29:07 | combrains | but the sample wasnt property of NWA |
| 06:29:22 | Zeraphe | The recording was, though. |
| 06:29:22 | combrains | so legaly the producer had no right to use it |
| 06:29:31 | Phish| | i agree with Zeraphe on this one |
| 06:29:55 | goffa | not that i like dj dangermouse, but i believe that a whole genre of music was destroyed because of copywrite law |
| 06:29:57 | Phish| | the sample is no longer a sample of another artist's track...it is a portion of the track owned by NWA |
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| 06:30:08 | Llorean | It's a sample of both. |
| 06:30:46 | Mouser_X | I feel this is appropriate (and funny) for the current conversation: |
| 06:30:47 | Mouser_X | http://www.tzone.org/~llin/psf/single/str0010.mp3 |
| 06:31:01 | Mouser_X | (This was found while getting audio data off of a Playstation game.) |
| 06:31:04 | Phish| | solution: destroy copyright law and allow the artists to persue whatever physical acts of violence they feel necessary |
| 06:31:32 | Mouser_X | goffa: What genre would that be? |
| 06:31:32 | combrains | no, NWA didnt BUY the copyright of the owner of the sample, they simply had permission to use it in exchange for a royalty |
| 06:31:45 | Zeraphe | Um... |
| 06:31:48 | goffa | Mouser_X: i'm not sure there's a name |
| 06:31:48 | combrains | that is where the issue is |
| 06:32:04 | Phish| | combrains: correct, but you could argue that the newly created track containing the sample is entirely the property of NWA |
| 06:32:20 | goffa | but he took 2 copywrited albums and mixed them |
| 06:32:29 | Zeraphe | Well, the artist of the sample had a right to sue NWA for a percentage of the royalties if that was the agreement. |
| 06:32:38 | Zeraphe | Not the movie guys. |
| 06:32:40 | goffa | but now no one will be allowed to sell that |
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| 06:32:54 | Alexinc | any updates |
| 06:32:58 | Phish| | right...i don't think you can hold the movie guys accountable |
| 06:32:58 | combrains | ill have a look for the article for you |
| 06:33:51 | Zeraphe | NWA may have violated a contract in selling the track, but the movie producers didn't violate squat. They used something they bought fairly. |
| 06:34:29 | Zeraphe | The whole arena is so convoluted. |
| 06:35:03 | Phish| | any more it's just a question of which company wants to screw which other company in the ass |
| 06:35:11 | Phish| | ie. "who can we make the most money from" |
| 06:35:21 | Zeraphe | Capitalism is the anti-renaissance. |
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| 06:35:49 | Zeraphe | It cheapens art, makes it shallow, meaningless. |
| 06:35:57 | combrains | here is the article |
| 06:35:58 | combrains | http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=29&storycode=4979 |
| 06:36:18 | Zeraphe | It's not "How much of my soul can I cram into this work?" but "I wonder how many morans will but this one?" |
| 06:36:43 | Zeraphe | Not entirely, mind you. |
| 06:36:54 | * | scorche checks if this really is #rockbox |
| 06:36:55 | Zeraphe | But enough for it to be upsetting. |
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| 06:37:53 | * | Zeraphe hops off the soapbox. |
| 06:41:26 | goffa | well.. svn freeze has us riled up! |
| 06:41:28 | goffa | :) |
| 06:41:28 | Phish| | anywho, i must keep my 4g |
| 06:41:33 | Phish| | as it gives quite good recording quality |
| 06:41:44 | goffa | frankenstein SMASH!! |
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| 06:42:40 | Mouser_X | Bah... |
| 06:42:59 | Phish| | does rockdoom work well on the ipod 4g? |
| 06:43:32 | Mouser_X | So, considering the current topic (which, I know, is a little off...) did anyone check the link I posted? |
| 06:43:42 | Mouser_X | I get a kick out of it everytime I hear that track... |
| 06:44:00 | goffa | Mouser_X: yeah lol |
| 06:44:30 | Mouser_X | :D |
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| 06:45:29 | goffa | i wonder what the focus group would have said about picasso's work |
| 06:45:39 | goffa | "can't we clean that up a bit?" |
| 06:45:59 | Zeraphe | Mouser_X, listening now. WTF? |
| 06:46:31 | * | combrains wanders off to have some eats |
| 06:46:51 | Mouser_X | As I said, they found it when ripping PSFs (Playstation Sound Format, it's emulated audio). |
| 06:46:53 | Mouser_X | It was on Vanguard Bandits, I think. |
| 06:46:58 | Zeraphe | Mouser_X, Any idea what game that's from? |
| 06:47:16 | Mouser_X | It's not something you'd find, unless you were looking for it. |
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| 06:47:33 | Mouser_X | Yah, it's Vanguard Bandits. |
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| 06:47:58 | Zeraphe | Well, for their sake, I hope whoever found that was sober. |
| 06:48:07 | Phish| | though i do have a rockbox related question |
| 06:48:23 | Mouser_X | Zeraphe: Heh. |
| 06:48:32 | Phish| | since i installed rockbox, the bass in my mp3s has become reduced by a bunch, but i dont have any limiters or EQs turned on that i know about |
| 06:48:36 | Mouser_X | At the time that they found it, I would think they were. |
| 06:48:58 | Llorean | Phish|: Are you sure that the original firmware wasn't distorting bass-heavy? |
| 06:49:20 | Phish| | yeah |
| 06:49:33 | Phish| | my computer sounds about the same on the same tracks |
| 06:49:54 | Phish| | (sound blaster audigy 2 zs and a set of klipsch speakers) |
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| 06:52:40 | Phish| | also the sound out of the left earpiece is much softer than the sound out of the right |
| 06:52:50 | Llorea1 | Phish|: Try resetting your settings. |
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| 07:01:50 | Phish| | Llorean: that was unsuccesful :-/ |
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| 07:01:59 | Phish| | right channel is still significantly louder |
| 07:02:40 | Llorean | Phish|: And it's not in the retail firmware? |
| 07:02:51 | Phish| | no |
| 07:02:54 | Phish| | it was fine in retail firmware |
| 07:03:02 | Phish| | though i'll reboot once to make sure |
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| 07:15:58 | Phish| | i'm a big dirty liar |
| 07:16:04 | Phish| | it IS the same in the retail firmware |
| 07:16:21 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 07:16:30 | Phish| | is that just the way ipods are? i never noticed it before |
| 07:16:38 | d47 | are your headphones pluged in fully ^^ |
| 07:16:50 | Phish| | yes |
| 07:17:01 | Llorean | I'd check your headphones |
| 07:17:07 | Llorean | But not, it's not the way iPods generally are. |
| 07:17:09 | Llorean | Usually the balance is fine. |
| 07:17:13 | d47 | have you got another pair to test? |
| 07:17:28 | Phish| | hmmm, somewhere |
| 07:17:29 | * | Phish| digs |
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| 07:18:53 | Phish| | hmmm, my other pair is the same |
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| 07:20:30 | Phish| | and apparently loading rockbox fucked my 4g ipod, as it wont load the original firmware now |
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| 07:24:23 | Phish| | yup, 4th-gen ipod does the same |
| 07:24:34 | Phish| | no bass in the left earpiece |
| 07:27:13 | Alonea | well, methinks I am going to enjoy rockbox in bed. so night to you all. thanks for all your wonderful help! |
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| 07:53:32 | combrains | where can I find the arm-elf-gcc xcompiler |
| 07:56:28 | Alexinc | in my pants /joke |
| 07:56:37 | combrains | :) |
| 07:56:45 | Alexinc | i have no idea |
| 07:57:32 | Llorean | combrains: On a *nix system, use rockboxdev.sh (or something almost that name) in the /tools folder of the source checkout |
| 07:57:50 | combrains | I ran the rockboxdev script in the tools dir but it just proceeded to down an older version of binutils and gcc |
| 07:57:58 | combrains | and I dont need them |
| 07:58:13 | combrains | I know that it downloads the xcompiler last |
| 07:58:22 | Llorean | gcc *is* the crosscompiler. |
| 07:58:34 | Llorean | You build specific versions of GCC as crosscompilers. |
| 07:58:43 | combrains | ah |
| 07:59:15 | combrains | my bad - im new to xcompiling |
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| 07:59:46 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. I just read that Rockbox has a maximum limit of 20,000 songs in a playlist... |
| 07:59:58 | Mouser_X | Generally, that's not a big deal. |
| 07:59:58 | Mouser_X | Esecially since it's unlikely that I can even fit that much on my player (I have more than double that on my PC though). |
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| 08:00:58 | combrains | so why does it need an older version of binutils? or is that built for xcompiling also? |
| 08:03:39 | Llorean | combrains: Crosscompiling as well, yes. |
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| 08:04:16 | Llorean | You need, say, for the M68k ports, the M68k versions of binutils, and of gcc, and we've found specific version numbers work ideally |
| 08:04:26 | combrains | ok thanks |
| 08:04:35 | combrains | im faily new to linux too |
| 08:04:46 | combrains | not just xcompiling |
| 08:05:05 | combrains | one thing that has always evaded me - how do you edit your path |
| 08:05:25 | * | scorche just realized combrains means crosscompiler by xcompiler |
| 08:06:18 | Llorean | scorche: Yes, he didn't just end a relationship with his compiler. |
| 08:06:34 | combrains | hehe |
| 08:06:35 | Llorean | combrains: Depends on your linux distro, and such. |
| 08:06:42 | * | combrains likes shorthand |
| 08:06:44 | scorche | i thought he was asking for a graphical compiler of some sort |
| 08:06:57 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 08:06:59 | Llorean | Complier, for X |
| 08:07:04 | scorche | aye... |
| 08:07:38 | combrains | im not that 'windowsified' :) |
| 08:07:57 | combrains | so anyways, how do I go about editing my path? |
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| 08:08:45 | scorche | combrains: search for that on google...as Llorean said, it is specific to your distro/shell |
| 08:09:03 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 08:09:24 | grai_ | combrains: you mean editing it temporarily, or editing what it's set to when you log in? |
| 08:10:42 | grai_ | is anyone with access to the rockbox.org webserver awake? |
| 08:13:29 | Llorean | grai_: Something's wrong w/ Rockbox.org? |
| 08:13:38 | grai_ | (c'brains: please ignore the stupid question i just asked you) |
| 08:14:09 | combrains | grai_, ok I will |
| 08:14:29 | grai_ | Llorean: nah, i'm putting together a proposal for huge improvements to it, and i'd like a tarball of all the wiki pages so i can play with organisation |
| 08:14:41 | combrains | just waiting for xcompiler to compile |
| 08:14:52 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 08:14:56 | BHSPitMonkey | that's quite the request |
| 08:15:28 | grai_ | (minus attachments and stuff) |
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| 08:21:25 | Bagder | grai_: it is a better idea to do such things gradually, with discussions |
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| 08:21:57 | Bagder | otherwise you'll spend lots of time to do something big that risk it won't be accepted as a whole |
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| 08:23:28 | grai_ | Bagder: ok, i'll send my ideas to the mailing list once i've finished writing them all down :) |
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| 08:27:45 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:30:56 | amiconn | Bagder: With the new build master and its fast network connection, maybe it would make sense to set "build preferences" per build server? |
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| 08:31:29 | amiconn | (depending on build speed and network uplink speed) |
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| 08:32:54 | amiconn | Fast server + fast uplink: swcodec targets. Slower server, fast uplink: hwcodec targets. Fast server, slow uplink: simulators. Slower server, slow uplink: bootloaders |
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| 08:33:51 | * | amiconn also reminds of the idea of speculative concurrent builds |
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| 08:35:53 | Llorean | Speculative concurrent builds? |
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| 08:39:42 | blind | Rockbox started resetting itself on my iPod color, so i put the daily builds on it, and now it freezes randomly. any suggestions? |
| 08:40:03 | amiconn | Llorean: When the master has handed out all builds and some build servers are already finished but others are still working, the master could hand out unfinished builds a second time to the idling build servers |
| 08:40:30 | amiconn | The master would then pick up the result from whatever server is finishing it first |
| 08:41:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, seems a good idea. |
| 08:41:34 | amiconn | This system would avoid excessive total build times due to slow, overloaded or hanging build servers |
| 08:41:37 | Llorean | blind: Have you tried using the no frequency scaling one? |
| 08:41:47 | blind | I don't even know what that is. |
| 08:42:21 | amiconn | ...and it would help mking fast build servers even a bit faster: Because they tend to compile more builds, their ccache will be more up to date |
| 08:42:56 | Llorean | blind: Look for Mikeage's build in the unsupported builds forum |
| 08:43:13 | amiconn | There is one thing that would be required on the client side: the build script should allow cancelling a build |
| 08:43:39 | amiconn | The master would cancel all concurrent build when the first build server returned the result |
| 08:45:01 | blind | so what is frequency scaling? will it effect anything i normally do? |
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| 08:46:27 | Llorean | blind: You might see a bit less battery life. The menus might seem a bit more responsive. And the freezes *should* go away. |
| 08:46:44 | blind | I'll give it a go. Thanks. |
| 08:46:47 | Llorean | amiconn: I like the fact that it has the potential to speed up build time, plus accommodates for failed/hanged builds. |
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| 08:54:24 | blind | wow, my menus are a lot more responsive now |
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| 08:56:35 | Phish| | hmmm |
| 08:56:47 | Phish| | i really need to write an NES emulator for ipod video |
| 08:56:57 | Phish| | though the control scheme would be very awkward |
| 08:57:13 | blind | I do get an error while loading it, though |
| 08:57:19 | blind | Error accessing playlist control file? |
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| 09:04:57 | amiconn | Bagder: (I hope you read the logs) Another idea for speedup: Allow starting a new build on a build server as soon as the log is uploaded, and upload the .zip files in the background |
| 09:05:10 | amiconn | Would especially help fast servers with a slow uplink |
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| 09:14:47 | Alexinc | hey phish |
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| 09:18:43 | Llorean | I dunno, it always makes me think of the kid from Peanuts with the blanket. |
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| 09:20:56 | LinusN | d47: :-) |
| 09:21:47 | LinusN | i often get the question "are you *the* Linus" |
| 09:22:17 | LinusN | i'm waiting for the day mr Torvalds gets the same question about me :-) |
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| 09:25:04 | Slasheri | LinusN :) btw, thanks about correcting the IriverFlashing page |
| 09:25:19 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:25:47 | d47 | LinusN: ha, i guess the coding skills come stock with the name =) |
| 09:26:45 | d47 | Linus: along with all the years of experience and learning of course |
| 09:27:34 | LinusN | ah, that of course |
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| 09:31:02 | d47 | my names Dylan, but i have no inclination to start singing =/ |
| 09:31:08 | LinusN | lol |
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| 09:47:41 | petur | urgh... stkov dircache :( |
| 09:48:42 | petur | (after reboot, dircache stack is at 95%) |
| 09:49:34 | JdGordon | time t up dircache's stack... |
| 09:50:32 | petur | but not by as much as some have suggested. |
| 09:50:34 | Llorean | Or figure out why it needs more now. |
| 09:50:52 | petur | I haven't added any files in the last week |
| 09:51:35 | JdGordon | I have bee getting ocasionaly stkov in dircache lately also, but I dont know why, I dont remeber any changes to dircache for a while |
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| 09:53:22 | petur | I thought jhMikeS was trimming stack use for dircache a bit - maybe I don't remember this correctly |
| 09:54:01 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/common/dircache.c <- nothing for 2 weeks and even hat I doubt would cause this |
| 09:54:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: You'll need to look back further than 2 weeks |
| 09:54:25 | petur | it's been going on for far longer than two weeks |
| 09:54:34 | pondlife | I've had dircache stkov's for months |
| 09:54:37 | petur | I've had a stkov at least 3 weeks ago |
| 09:54:42 | pondlife | Very intermittent though |
| 09:54:47 | petur | indeed |
| 09:55:01 | petur | less than once a week here |
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| 09:55:09 | pondlife | I definitely had one in mid-November, and have probably had 3 since |
| 09:55:16 | JdGordon | ok, I've only noticed them the last fornight |
| 09:55:45 | pondlife | I suspect it's somehow database related. |
| 09:56:19 | pondlife | Do you have auto-update (or gather runtime data) enabled? |
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| 09:57:13 | JdGordon | yes |
| 09:57:44 | pondlife | Try turning one or both off for a week? I did and think that helped. |
| 09:57:59 | pondlife | Not sure what teh interaction is though, perhaps another init sequence thing? |
| 09:58:13 | pondlife | Meh, I tehed. |
| 09:58:37 | petur | where's that option? |
| 09:58:56 | JdGordon | thats possible... I dont think i had any problems before enabling those options.. |
| 09:59:06 | JdGordon | dircache thread is only 3k... |
| 09:59:40 | pondlife | petur: General Settings > File View > Database |
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| 10:01:18 | pondlife | Aha, spotted something I can update to try out SVN! |
| 10:02:29 | pondlife | Hmm, for patches can I just do svn diff <file> i.e. no -u required? |
| 10:02:30 | Slasheri | hmm, that sounds weird.. i have never experienced the stkov |
| 10:02:42 | Slasheri | it sounds like something else might be overwriting the dircache stack |
| 10:02:51 | pondlife | Slasheri: How full is your hard disk? |
| 10:02:57 | pondlife | How many songs in database? |
| 10:03:20 | Slasheri | hmm, something like 6000 songs |
| 10:03:24 | pondlife | I'm on about 13000 |
| 10:03:28 | Slasheri | oh |
| 10:03:35 | pondlife | Maybe there's a limit somewhere still? |
| 10:03:46 | petur | I'm not using database or gather runtime data _at_ _all_ |
| 10:04:00 | pondlife | OK, another theory dies |
| 10:04:05 | Slasheri | pondlife: at least that shouldn't affect the dircache stack size. |
| 10:04:29 | pondlife | No, I was more thinking of some kind of memory corruption. |
| 10:04:39 | Slasheri | could be possible |
| 10:05:06 | pondlife | petur: Does the problem happen only after recording maybe? |
| 10:05:12 | pondlife | For you, I mean |
| 10:05:21 | petur | nope |
| 10:05:33 | petur | wasn't anywhere near recording |
| 10:05:36 | pondlife | Hmm, was wondering if it was due to file creation. |
| 10:05:49 | petur | I always have it when booting |
| 10:06:08 | petur | I mean when it happens of course |
| 10:06:13 | pondlife | Yes, me too. I meant after new files would have been created in the previous session. |
| 10:06:50 | pondlife | Do you have any deep nesting in your directory structure? I only go about 4 deep |
| 10:06:50 | petur | I used it this morning on my way to work, powered down, got at my desk and powered on again: poof |
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| 10:07:29 | pondlife | Ah, do you shut down during playback? Maybe something is being left untidy in the playlist control? |
| 10:08:00 | petur | yes I always shutdown while playing |
| 10:08:15 | petur | tree = music/A/Artist/CDname/song.ext |
| 10:08:24 | pondlife | If I attempt a big playlist (e.g. 13000 tracks) then it takes quite a while to write playlist details, yet I have been able to shut down during the write and that knackers auto-resume. |
| 10:08:48 | pondlife | Again, only an intermittent problem though. |
| 10:08:57 | petur | I had a playlist running of about 50 tracks but it was still ok after reboot |
| 10:08:59 | JdGordon | I just created a dir, did a clean shutdown reboot and no problems |
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| 10:09:25 | petur | JdGordon: it's not *that* reproducable |
| 10:09:40 | pondlife | A big playlist just makes it easy to spot that there's unfinished work, it might happen with a small one if you're unlucky |
| 10:09:40 | JdGordon | i know |
| 10:10:37 | pondlife | Slasheri: Unrelated question - if I have an up-to-date database, with auto-update enabled, and I then enable auto-update, it doesn't seem to update anything until I re-init the database (or maybe reboot). Is this expected? |
| 10:12:12 | pondlife | It might just be the debug screen shows 0% progress (0 entries). |
| 10:12:17 | pondlife | A reboot fixes |
| 10:13:10 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, auto update should work only on reboot and after disconnecting usb cable |
| 10:13:27 | Slasheri | currently deleting a song inside rockbox is not updated immediately for example |
| 10:13:40 | pondlife | OK, that explains it |
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| 10:14:07 | Slasheri | that is mainly because database needs to be committed and that can't be done after every single modification |
| 10:14:47 | pondlife | Nope. I thought it might catch up after a short while (like every 2 mins or something) |
| 10:15:07 | pondlife | Or on the next buffer fill? |
| 10:15:08 | Slasheri | hmm, that could be a nice feature indeed |
| 10:15:14 | Slasheri | maybe :) |
| 10:15:27 | pondlife | We have better callbacks now, I hear |
| 10:15:50 | pondlife | Should the debug menu not say "View database info" btw? |
| 10:16:42 | Slasheri | ah, it still says tagcache. That could be changed |
| 10:16:49 | pondlife | I'm about to! |
| 10:16:54 | Slasheri | :) |
| 10:17:19 | Slasheri | but it's still internally called tagcache and debug menu is quite internal too |
| 10:17:33 | pondlife | True, but I think UI should be consistent regardless |
| 10:17:34 | Slasheri | but just change it if you think it's better that way |
| 10:17:39 | pondlife | And I want to try out SVN |
| 10:17:43 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:17:44 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 10:18:24 | pondlife | Done it, did it work? |
| 10:18:46 | pondlife | Scary committing stuff without a build table to look at |
| 10:18:55 | Slasheri | trying svn up to see.. :) |
| 10:19:01 | pondlife | Hmm, does SVN add CRLF to lines? |
| 10:19:07 | Bagderr | the build table should come up "soon" |
| 10:19:15 | pondlife | It seems to have done... I did DOS2UNIX -U... |
| 10:19:21 | Slasheri | i think it forces LF, but i have no idea |
| 10:19:27 | Slasheri | uh :/ |
| 10:19:37 | pondlife | Under Cygwin here. |
| 10:19:44 | scorche | pondlife: what version of svn do you have? |
| 10:19:44 | Slasheri | pondlife: your commit didn't appear to the repository |
| 10:19:49 | Slasheri | at least not yet |
| 10:20:10 | pondlife | "Committed revision 11982." |
| 10:20:25 | Slasheri | argh, it did.. :D |
| 10:20:25 | scorche | isnt there a version number? |
| 10:20:45 | Slasheri | never mind, i thought i would see something like apps/tagcache.c to be changed =) |
| 10:20:52 | pondlife | svn log doesn't display it yet. |
| 10:20:52 | Slasheri | still too sleepy now ;) |
| 10:21:16 | pondlife | Ah, you need to SVN UP before SVN LOG will be up-to-date. |
| 10:21:34 | scorche | pondlife: there was an issue with line endings with past versions of svn and cygwin...try and update to 1.4 |
| 10:22:10 | pondlife | I am on 1.4 now. I suffered that very problem. |
| 10:22:35 | Nico_P | is it possible to display only a few revisions in svn log without having to know the rev numbers ? |
| 10:22:35 | pondlife | Please can someone who's not running Windows look at debug_menu.c and see if it has any CRs in? |
| 10:22:51 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you see my suggestions in the log? |
| 10:22:52 | pondlife | Nico_P: Yes, use −−limit 5 |
| 10:22:59 | pondlife | or whatever number |
| 10:23:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: thanks :d |
| 10:24:09 | Bagderr | amiconn: not, I'm on a mere cgi::irc today |
| 10:24:13 | Bagderr | at a customer's place... |
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| 10:24:56 | Nico_P | and isn't there a way to see the remote svn log ? |
| 10:24:58 | pondlife | To repeat my earlier query, for patches can I just do svn diff <file> ? -u isn't supported. |
| 10:25:08 | Bagderr | yes |
| 10:25:19 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 10:25:25 | Nico_P | pondlife: svn diff is already in "-u" format |
| 10:26:05 | amiconn | B4gder: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt 08:30..08:46 and 09:04 |
| 10:26:32 | Nico_P | btw, svn diff is pleasingly instant :) |
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| 10:26:53 | * | pondlife likes SVN too |
| 10:27:36 | * | petur points to CONTRIBUTING and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN :) |
| 10:27:39 | Bagderr | I have to read that at a later time |
| 10:28:34 | bluebrother | wouldn |
| 10:28:35 | pondlife | Yes, the customer comes first, and then the build table ... ;) |
| 10:28:39 | bluebrother | hmpf |
| 10:29:04 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be better to not auto-convert line endings? Or is this a problem with cygwin? |
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| 10:29:50 | JdGordon | svn lets files be moved while keeping their changlog right? |
| 10:30:22 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes |
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| 10:30:43 | JdGordon | :) I can tihnk of a few files which could be moved to more logical places |
| 10:32:33 | amiconn | bluebrother: Depends on how a dev works. Cygwin is not the problem here, but tortoisesvn is |
| 10:33:50 | amiconn | Tortoise changes line endings to crlf because it's a pure windows svn client. |
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| 10:34:35 | petur | it works ok if cygwin is also set to crlf |
| 10:35:23 | bluebrother | you can't configure tortoise to not change line endings? Uh. |
| 10:35:44 | Bagderr | afaik, it converts them as svn should do |
| 10:35:54 | Bagderr | there's a line ending concept that it follows |
| 10:36:33 | petur | I tried forcing it to convert but that marked all files as changed because their property was different |
| 10:37:02 | * | petur wonders where Bagderr got the extra r |
| 10:37:09 | Bagderr | on ebay! |
| 10:37:17 | Bagderr | really cheap |
| 10:37:40 | JdGordon | haha |
| 10:37:40 | bluebrother | if some dev checks in a file with CRLF and another checks it out on a unix box those endings are converted to LF only, right? |
| 10:38:07 | petur | yes |
| 10:38:07 | Bagderr | yes if line endings is set to "native" |
| 10:38:18 | bluebrother | amazing what you can get at ebay ... |
| 10:38:32 | petur | native = default |
| 10:38:36 | bluebrother | and we're using native I assume? |
| 10:38:43 | petur | yes |
| 10:38:53 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 10:39:04 | petur | the nice thing is, no more dos2unix before committing |
| 10:39:21 | JdGordon | work in linux and you dont have that problem :p |
| 10:39:27 | petur | :p |
| 10:39:37 | * | petur hugs W2K |
| 10:39:41 | * | bluebrother doesn't want to work on Windows for Rockbox |
| 10:39:59 | petur | I even use DevStudio to edit RB files :p |
| 10:40:07 | pondlife | Me too |
| 10:40:11 | pondlife | Well, VS6 |
| 10:40:33 | petur | .net 2003 here |
| 10:40:59 | pondlife | So, as a Cygwin user, using standard SVN, am I ok to skip DOS2UNIX in future? Or do I need to make some kind of settings change at the client end? |
| 10:41:09 | * | pondlife is still confused |
| 10:41:25 | * | petur points to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN :) |
| 10:41:36 | pondlife | I'm not using TortoiseSVN though |
| 10:41:42 | petur | ah |
| 10:41:50 | petur | you should ;) |
| 10:42:11 | petur | check what line endings your files have |
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| 10:42:27 | pondlife | LF normally, but CRLF after VS6 has had a go at them. |
| 10:42:31 | petur | when checked out with cygwin svn |
| 10:42:33 | * | bluebrother doesn't see a good reason for cygwin −− it can be a real PITA. |
| 10:42:44 | * | bluebrother hugs his linux box |
| 10:42:54 | GodEaterWeb | I see plenty of good reasons for it |
| 10:42:56 | crashd | bluebrother: choice, im guessing. |
| 10:42:59 | pondlife | It's slow, but it's what I have. Have no space for a second box in my cupboard here. |
| 10:43:04 | GodEaterWeb | if you don't have the opportunity to run linux |
| 10:43:11 | petur | pondlife: you must continue with dos2unix then |
| 10:43:14 | * | amiconn prefers using cygwin even though he already has a linux box, and knows linux is faster at compiling |
| 10:43:31 | bluebrother | pondlife, you're also living in a cupboard? me too :) |
| 10:43:34 | pondlife | So there's no sort of auto-DOS2UNIX built into SVN |
| 10:43:38 | pondlife | Darn |
| 10:43:47 | JdGordon | ... on the topic of dircache... has it frozen in the sim for anyone else on boot? |
| 10:43:49 | pondlife | Tarnation, in fact. |
| 10:44:19 | * | petur whispers TortoiseSVN to pondlife :p |
| 10:44:31 | pondlife | JdGordon: Yes |
| 10:44:43 | pondlife | I just enabled it in my sim and locky-locky-locky up |
| 10:44:57 | JdGordon | damn, ok... at least I know its not my changes then :p |
| 10:45:45 | amiconn | I would have 2 problems if I would switch to linux. (1) Finding an equivalent editor to ConTEXT. (2) Finding a way to easily and efficiently access a _graphical_ session via the network, like it is possible with remote desktop on windows |
| 10:46:15 | d47 | vncviewer for remote desktop |
| 10:46:24 | pondlife | petur: Does TortoiseSVN work at the command line. I'd prefer that to a GUI. |
| 10:46:26 | bluebrother | for (2) I use NX, works quite well for me |
| 10:46:56 | * | petur wonders why you need commandline when you've got a nice gui |
| 10:46:56 | d47 | ive never used context so i cant really compare |
| 10:47:08 | pondlife | Just a preference |
| 10:47:15 | Bagderr | I do emacs and ssh |
| 10:47:22 | amiconn | d47: VNC isn't nearly as efficient as rdp |
| 10:47:35 | pondlife | I like command histories and batch jobs! |
| 10:47:40 | petur | but indeed, cygwin SVN won't work ok with TortoiseSVN I think... must check at home |
| 10:47:49 | amiconn | bluebrother: I've read about NX, but I have no idea how to install and configure it |
| 10:48:00 | amiconn | I couldn't find debian-amd64 packages either |
| 10:48:20 | JdGordon | vnc isnt as efficient as rdp? |
| 10:48:23 | bluebrother | strange, FreeNX is mostly (completely?) bash |
| 10:48:26 | d47 | amiconn: i find it works perfectly |
| 10:49:00 | JdGordon | real linux geeks dont need a gui anyway! cli ftw! |
| 10:49:05 | amiconn | Try it over a modem or isdn connection |
| 10:49:08 | d47 | heh |
| 10:49:08 | petur | rdp is *way* faster |
| 10:49:08 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: what about linux's RDP client ? |
| 10:49:14 | GodEaterWeb | I use that all the time |
| 10:49:25 | amiconn | GodEaterWeb: I'm talking about the server side |
| 10:49:32 | GodEaterWeb | oh I see |
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| 10:49:43 | amiconn | My remote client would practically always be windows |
| 10:50:03 | d47 | well, mine will allways be linux, and so i use something like vnc |
| 10:50:21 | JdGordon | vnc with compressions at 800x600 and 16bit colour is fine even over a slow connection |
| 10:50:24 | GodEaterWeb | I've not used xvnc for a while (as a server) but when I did I thought it was fine |
| 10:50:26 | d47 | but i rarly need a graphical client anyway |
| 10:50:56 | GodEaterWeb | it's certainly more responsive than the windows equivalent |
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| 10:52:08 | GodEaterWeb | installing freenx is easy too |
| 10:52:18 | GodEaterWeb | emerge nxserver-freenx ;) |
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| 10:54:48 | bluebrother | I used freenx for xga resolution on a slow dsl line (128k upstream), worked really great |
| 10:57:29 | JdGordon | how do i nuke all changes in my local tree? |
| 10:57:44 | GodEaterWeb | rm -rf ? |
| 10:58:03 | JdGordon | ... without having to grab a new tree |
| 10:58:38 | LinusN | thegeek: i received your wreck |
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| 10:59:05 | LinusN | thegeek: thanks |
| 10:59:51 | JdGordon | svn revert -R . for future reference.. |
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| 11:07:17 | dan_a | I phoned Austriamicrosystems earlier... it seems like it might be possible to get a datasheet under a less restrictive NDA |
| 11:08:02 | preglow | eh |
| 11:08:18 | preglow | ah less restrivitve _NON-DISCLOSURE_ agreement? |
| 11:08:24 | preglow | s/ah/a/ :> |
| 11:08:56 | Llorean | preglow: Well, NDA's can just mean "Don't show people the datasheet" but allow you to publish code based off it. They still call those NDAs. |
| 11:09:22 | preglow | in which case i'll revert to calling _them_ breaindead |
| 11:09:23 | Llorean | We could get lucky |
| 11:09:28 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 11:09:36 | preglow | breandaid, that's a nice one |
| 11:09:52 | Bagderr | dan_a: cool! |
| 11:09:55 | dan_a | preglow: Yes. I'm waiting to see what they come back with, but I'm going to propose the current one with a clause saying that it's explicitly OK to write code based on the I2C and associated timing data |
| 11:09:56 | preglow | fingers bloody cold |
| 11:10:23 | * | bluebrother just read that knoppix includes nx server. Nice for testing :) |
| 11:10:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:12:13 | JdGordon | Is it possible to traverse the file tree in rockbox without using the tree_context? ... but still use dircache if its enabled? |
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| 11:13:11 | dan_a | Do any of the core devs have any guidance for what would be acceptable in terms of an NDA? Or is it OK as long as I am allowed to write GPL'd code based on it? |
| 11:14:19 | Llorean | dan_a: Technically you can write GPLed code under the current one, it just then prevents you from distributing the binary or code after you do so. :-P |
| 11:14:36 | pondlife | NDA+GPL+public release would seem unlikely to me. |
| 11:16:05 | pondlife | Maybe if the code has no comments ;-p |
| 11:16:19 | Bagderr | dan_a: it is really mostly up to the one who signs the NDA since it is a contract between the signer and the company you sign for |
| 11:17:00 | pondlife | In other words, you'd need to ask your own lawyer :( |
| 11:17:32 | dan_a | Ewww... expensive! :( |
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| 11:24:06 | Bagderr | if you get something from AWS in that direction, I think we can have someone look at it |
| 11:24:11 | Bagderr | forRockbox funding |
| 11:24:29 | Bagderr | we have used both swedish and US lawyers already before |
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| 11:26:01 | dan_a | Bagderr: Thanks. |
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| 11:34:59 | inorder | is there any chance that this patch could be incorporated, it would be nice to have files numerically sorted http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890 |
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| 11:36:41 | Llorean | inorder: All that patch does is add code to help users who don't properly name their files |
| 11:37:45 | inorder | nope i do properly name my files, but if one has lots of various albums >10 it puts them first, not nice, IE explorer lists them correctly why not rockbox |
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| 11:38:13 | petur | I wouldn't mind if numerics were always sorted like in the patch - no setting needed |
| 11:38:29 | preglow | inorder: then the files aren't properly named |
| 11:38:34 | Llorean | inorder: Properly named means 01-09 then 10-99, or 001-099 then 100-999 |
| 11:38:35 | preglow | but i don't think i'd mind either |
| 11:38:40 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 11:40:17 | inorder | I have lots of my own compilations, called simply various 1, various 2 etc, basically my own best of, there is no other way to properly name them llorean |
| 11:40:56 | JdGordon | is there much speed difference between a recursive and a iterative function on the targets? (the iterative would need about 5 arrays to acts as stacks) |
| 11:41:01 | Llorean | various 01, various 02... various 10, various 11? |
| 11:41:10 | inorder | oh jeez |
| 11:41:21 | Llorean | Well, you said there is *no* other way. |
| 11:41:28 | preglow | inorder: rockbox isn't the only thing that doesn't like that, you know |
| 11:41:35 | preglow | that's the reason that is how it's usually done |
| 11:41:39 | Llorean | inorder: As well, the patch specifically says it works on *leading* numbers. |
| 11:41:53 | safetydan | just be glad it's not asciibetical sorting by default |
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| 11:42:47 | inorder1 | it looks so untidy with leading zeros |
| 11:43:07 | Llorean | inorder1: The patch you linked only claims to work on leading numbers anyway, it wouldn't fix your case. |
| 11:43:31 | Llorean | But I also don't want to make Rombox *more* broken because "it looks untidy" |
| 11:43:43 | inorder1 | here we go, anyway thanks |
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| 11:43:51 | preglow | geez |
| 11:44:11 | GodEaterWeb | Couldn't you do....oh, he's gone. |
| 11:44:28 | GodEaterWeb | was going to suggest : Various <space><space>1 etc. |
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| 11:44:44 | GodEaterWeb | I think that would work too, and would look less "untidy" |
| 11:44:56 | Llorean | I like leading zeroes, honestly. |
| 11:45:00 | GodEaterWeb | though leading zeroes don't personally bother me |
| 11:45:04 | Llorean | With fixed width font, it looks very consistent. |
| 11:45:17 | GodEaterWeb | I agree, but it might have appealed to him more |
| 11:45:23 | GodEaterWeb | oh well |
| 11:45:27 | GodEaterWeb | the impatience of youth |
| 11:45:32 | Llorean | Heh |
| 11:45:47 | Llorean | I'm not against the patch in any way, except Rombox already doesn't work, and that makes me a sad Llorean |
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| 11:57:18 | preglow | i don't really like rombox blocking stuff |
| 11:57:30 | preglow | it's going to be a persistant problem |
| 11:58:31 | Llorean | You could have a feature freeze, once more just focusing on Archoses, and try to get Rombox down to size without removing features, then release a "Final" Rombox. |
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| 12:01:07 | preglow | i guess so, but do we really have enough archos users left that we'll have enough input to "finalise" it? |
| 12:01:20 | preglow | are there really any big issues left, or do we just need to optimise? |
| 12:01:31 | pondlife | JdGordon: What's left to do on the settings patch? Just voice? |
| 12:01:41 | safetydan | looking at fs#6501, could we maybe just try parsing the vorbis date tag as iso 8601? |
| 12:02:00 | safetydan | Most places seem to recommend that your date tags be in that format. If it fails, we're no worse off than before. |
| 12:02:32 | JdGordon | pondlife: no, each setting needs to be checked to make sure its actually correct, and then if it needs anything done before/after loadin the setting screen for it |
| 12:03:31 | Llorean | preglow: I think it's more or less "Get voice working on every screen, get Rombox to fit again", then maybe stick a bookmark at that date to backport occasional bug fixes if there's something that got overlooked, but that's the last Rombox version. |
| 12:04:27 | Nico_P | what is rombox ? |
| 12:04:37 | linuxstb | Rockbox running from ROM on the Archos devices. |
| 12:04:59 | pondlife | And maybe on the Irivers too? |
| 12:05:03 | linuxstb | It's now too big to fit in ROM... |
| 12:05:14 | Llorean | pondlife: The irivers have plenty of ROM space |
| 12:05:25 | linuxstb | Potentially, although the gain isn't that much - irivers have lots of RAM. |
| 12:05:32 | Nico_P | ok... so it's the targets that have been having errors since some time, is that it ? |
| 12:05:45 | Llorean | Nico_P: For many people it's the best way to run rockbox on Archos, since it frees up more audio buffer and boots quickly |
| 12:05:45 | linuxstb | Archos devices have 2MB RAM, so moving Rockbox to ROM gains a large percentage back. |
| 12:06:15 | Nico_P | and what about this ? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-08/0080.shtml is it still planned ? |
| 12:06:31 | pondlife | I stopped updating my Archos once Rombox failed to build. |
| 12:06:34 | pondlife | Then I sold it |
| 12:06:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No-one has mentioned it since (that I've noticed). |
| 12:07:19 | Nico_P | maybe Bagderr and LinusN just forgot about it... |
| 12:07:24 | pondlife | So no-one objects.... |
| 12:07:36 | * | scorche gets by by disabling tagcache |
| 12:07:38 | pondlife | Ah, just got a STKOV: DIRCACHE |
| 12:07:45 | preglow | hmm |
| 12:07:53 | preglow | other people have gotten that lately too |
| 12:07:59 | * | JdGordon would kill for malloc about now :'( |
| 12:08:07 | pondlife | So we were discussing a bit earlier |
| 12:08:19 | * | linuxstb would kill JdGordon for malloc... :) |
| 12:08:23 | pondlife | I'm also getting a stray CPU boost I think |
| 12:08:23 | Nico_P | pondlife: you're not using the cuesheet patch by any chance ? |
| 12:08:35 | pondlife | No, straight SVN on H340 |
| 12:08:42 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what do you want malloc for ? |
| 12:08:43 | Juice^ | which module should i add in the setup for cygwin to have svn support? |
| 12:08:57 | pondlife | svn |
| 12:09:06 | preglow | Llorean: but yeah, i'd actually not be opposed to such a freeze, i'm just very sceptical as to how much it'll help... |
| 12:09:21 | Llorean | preglow: Well, help in what way? |
| 12:09:24 | JdGordon | Nico_P: so more than one directory can be opened at a time without causing some very odd behaviour |
| 12:09:30 | preglow | work, as in have people do the work needed |
| 12:09:41 | Llorean | preglow: Ah, that's true. |
| 12:09:41 | Juice^ | pondlife: subversion as its named in the setup? |
| 12:09:58 | preglow | optimising for size and making voice work everywhere isn't very fun coding |
| 12:10:01 | preglow | at least not for me |
| 12:10:11 | pondlife | Juice^: Ah, yes probably. I may have remembered wrong. |
| 12:10:12 | preglow | and i'm actually still in it for fun, heh |
| 12:10:31 | * | pondlife thinks optimising and bug-fixing is the most fun part |
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| 12:10:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: More than one directory opened where? |
| 12:11:42 | JdGordon | Im trying to get a directory walker going again, the problem is because it uses the tree_context, if your in the tree while its running everything goes wrong |
| 12:11:56 | Nico_P | pondlife: you've worked on playback.c, right ? |
| 12:11:58 | Llorean | preglow: Well, a Rombox-only could be forked, where people could commit Rombox opts/fixes until it fits, but don't have to, and then the lift on caring about Rombox leaves the main fork. |
| 12:12:00 | Juice^ | pondlife: yep. has to be |
| 12:12:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: yes, a while back now |
| 12:12:43 | pondlife | Why do you ask? |
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| 12:12:59 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, and then i seriously doubt anything will happen |
| 12:13:04 | pondlife | H320 definitely has a spare CPU boost going on. :( |
| 12:13:17 | Nico_P | pondlife: because i'm getting headaches with it :) |
| 12:13:21 | preglow | btw, did slasheri make rombox work in flash for iriver? |
| 12:13:25 | pondlife | Haha, it does that |
| 12:13:29 | Llorean | preglow: But at that point, it's not anyone's fault for continually breaking it, it's instead anyone's fault for not working on it. |
| 12:14:00 | preglow | Llorean: good point, good point |
| 12:14:51 | Nico_P | pondlife: with JdGordon we've been talking about metadata-on-buffer... we'd like to make it happen but lack knowledg of the playback engine |
| 12:15:12 | pondlife | Nico_P: IMHO, the whole of playback needs redoing; it's overly complex. It needs ALL the data to be in the buffer. |
| 12:15:34 | Nico_P | what do you mean by "all the data" ? |
| 12:16:02 | pondlife | There are some horrible bugs in there at the moment. If you want to get your head round it, try making a build that will only buffer 3 tracks, rather than 32. You will find many things fail to stay in sync. |
| 12:16:06 | Llorean | preglow: Honestly, if it doesn't get worked on when it *can* be, then it clearly shouldn't have been a barrier to continuing work in the first place. So a fork is ideal either way. |
| 12:16:56 | linuxstb | pondlife: How do you feel about a complete rewrite of the playback code? |
| 12:16:59 | pondlife | Nico_P: There are several structures to keep in sync at the moment. I would hope they could be included as part of the buffered data (i.e. a header block) so as to avoid a need for so many pointers. |
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| 12:17:14 | Nico_P | pondlife: lostlogic tried to rework the playback engine but apparently he didn't quite finish the work... are you suggesting it should be rewritten from scratch ? |
| 12:17:19 | preglow | Llorean: yes, sounds reasonable |
| 12:17:33 | pondlife | Not from scratch, but fairly fundamentally reviewed. |
| 12:18:10 | pondlife | The thread swapping needs to be simplified, and the data handling needs work. |
| 12:18:16 | Nico_P | that could be fun, but i kinda doubt it's a one man work... unless you want to do it ? |
| 12:18:26 | pondlife | jhMikeS has some good ideas |
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| 12:18:42 | Mikachu | and playback.c needs to be less than 3710 lines :) |
| 12:18:47 | pondlife | I'd love to do it, but I honestly don't have the time to organise it. That's what's needed. |
| 12:19:04 | pondlife | Someone to work out a strategy and subdivide the monolith a bit. |
| 12:19:10 | * | JdGordon puts hand up to help in the gruntwork if needed |
| 12:19:14 | Nico_P | maybe you could lay down a few ideas on a wiki page ? |
| 12:19:31 | pondlife | Then we can all do a bit and point the fingers when someone's interface fails to behave! |
| 12:19:53 | Nico_P | personally, what i lack is global understanding of what gooes on in this code |
| 12:19:58 | pondlife | Me too!! |
| 12:20:21 | jba | hey guys |
| 12:20:23 | pondlife | I think both lostlogic (Mr Buffering) and jhMikeS (Mr PCM) are best qualified. |
| 12:20:25 | Nico_P | and other things too, of course, but that's the main one :) |
| 12:20:34 | jba | Shonky, heloo? |
| 12:20:56 | pondlife | Someone else was going to pop up a wiki, can't recall who, but IRC logs from the past fortnight will help. |
| 12:21:01 | Nico_P | well lostlogic doesn't seem to have much time ATM |
| 12:21:20 | pondlife | I am happy to try to answer questions, but can't do much more at the moment I'm afraid. |
| 12:21:44 | pondlife | Real Life and Paid Work are slowly strangling me. |
| 12:21:54 | * | pondlife forgot the (TM)s. |
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| 12:23:32 | pondlife | I would like to see the video stuff using the standard audio playback too, if that's remotely practical. |
| 12:24:32 | pondlife | How do I search the IRC logs, and not include any other stuff (e.g. mailing list)? |
| 12:25:34 | Nico_P | use site:http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ in the google search |
| 12:26:19 | linuxstb | pondlife: What do you mean by "standard audio playback"? |
| 12:26:41 | pondlife | AFAIK, mpegplayer doesn't use playback.c. |
| 12:26:51 | pondlife | Why not be able to include videos in a playlist? |
| 12:28:19 | pondlife | OR is the entire audio buffer required for video use? |
| 12:28:52 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes, in the long term I would like video playback to be integrated into the playback engine. But it needs to work standalone first... |
| 12:29:40 | pondlife | Someone (jhMikeS, I think) had some very good ideas about sorting out playlist handling - playback.c shouldn't be doing any of that really. |
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| 12:30:38 | pondlife | We need to specify and limit the functionality of each module. As I see it,playback.c should be responsible for buffering and debuffering only. |
| 12:31:11 | pondlife | Voice should be mixed in seperately to PCM, so shouldn't be in there at all. |
| 12:32:07 | Nico_P | pondlife: have you found who was wanting to do that wiki page ? |
| 12:32:10 | pondlife | Need to work out some simpler interfaces. And consider MASCODEC unification, maybe (although that's getting less important daily). |
| 12:32:30 | pondlife | Nico_P: No, I can't find out how to search only the IRC logs. |
| 12:33:57 | grai_ | pondlife: blah site:rockbox.org -"mail archive"? |
| 12:34:15 | pondlife | Cheers! |
| 12:34:19 | Mikachu | site:www.rockbox.org/irc |
| 12:34:21 | Mikachu | also works |
| 12:34:41 | Nico_P | pondlife: you can use the standard google search box on the bottom of the site's sidebar... if you replace 'site:http://www.rockbox.org' by 'site:http://www.rockbox.org/irc/' it will only search on IRC logs |
| 12:34:48 | preglow | ideally, integrating mascodec into playback.c should be trivial |
| 12:35:16 | preglow | but if playback.c also does stuff like playlist handling, i can see why that is not so... |
| 12:35:48 | pondlife | It just needs a good disentangling, for want of a better word. |
| 12:36:11 | Mikachu | you're not looking for this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 12:36:47 | JdGordon | playback shuoldnt do playlist handling tho... |
| 12:37:17 | pondlife | Correct. It doesn't do much, but it does stuff like "play next track" |
| 12:37:33 | pondlife | Which should be the same as "play track 08" or whatever. |
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| 12:37:58 | pondlife | i.e. handled at a higher level, with less interface |
| 12:38:29 | Nico_P | pondlife: it still needs to know in which order to play the files, doesn't it ? |
| 12:38:42 | pondlife | Yes, for buffering. |
| 12:39:50 | JdGordon | dosnt playback only need to know which tracks to buffer next? and then be able to skip around inside the buffer? i |
| 12:40:29 | pondlife | The actual playback should be continuous in buffer sequence (with gapless), unless it's told to switch tracks. |
| 12:41:14 | pondlife | How well does it handle buffering of a shuffled playlist across multiple folders at the moment? |
| 12:44:34 | Llorean | If you have an actual static playlist, shuffled, that contains multiple folders, they don't seem to present any problem from a user perspective at least |
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| 12:45:37 | pondlife | But does it buffer them all, or is there a hard disk read when it changes folders? |
| 12:45:55 | Llorean | I believe it buffers them, though I can't say with a certainty |
| 12:46:00 | pondlife | It's probably ok, I'm just thinking aloud here. |
| 12:46:31 | Llorean | I'm basing this on an "I don't remember spinups on track skips immediately after filling the buffer" |
| 12:47:05 | Bagderr | folders or not makes no different when used in a single playlist |
| 12:47:14 | amiconn | Llorean: For some archos targets rombox still works: Ondio FM (very tight), Ondio SP, and Player |
| 12:47:18 | pondlife | Good |
| 12:47:22 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, it's just the recorder. |
| 12:47:39 | amiconn | Recorder FM/V2 and V1 are currently above limit |
| 12:47:44 | JdGordon | well... if you want to destry rombox on the ondios, enable a-b repeat |
| 12:48:01 | amiconn | Not on the SP I'd expect |
| 12:48:04 | Nico_P | Bagderr: has this : http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-08/0080.shtml been dropped ? |
| 12:48:22 | * | pondlife must have imagined the whole wiki-for-playback-reworking conversation as he can't find it in the logs :( |
| 12:48:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: I wondered why it adds about 1200 bytes anyways |
| 12:48:28 | amiconn | On the FM, it's currently enough to enable backlight support to push rombox over the edge |
| 12:49:00 | amiconn | But there's at least one method to regain a few KB without removing any feature |
| 12:49:09 | JdGordon | pixelma: I dunno... 1200 bytes isnt that much tho... it could possibly be optimized, but who knows.. |
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| 12:49:44 | JdGordon | the one method isnt heavy optimization is it? |
| 12:50:22 | Slasheri | preglow: almost, bootloader and new flashing plugin still needs to be committed. After that, rombox works |
| 12:50:24 | Bagderr | nico_p: I guess so |
| 12:50:38 | pixelma | btw. JdGordon: (another story) I really think that button actions for plugins is more of a problem than a help, because most plugins need different solutions for intuitive controls (the use of the scroll wheel for example) |
| 12:51:10 | amiconn | Slasheri: Don't forget a check that prevents flashing when running from rom. Otherwise it'd crash when using core functions from the plugin... |
| 12:51:17 | amiconn | rockbox_flash does that |
| 12:51:22 | JdGordon | pixelma: for games yes, I agree, but the utility apps shouldnt need their own keymaps |
| 12:51:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: the same check is already present |
| 12:51:46 | amiconn | ok |
| 12:51:49 | Slasheri | so that shouldn't happen |
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| 12:53:52 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes there might be a few - but I saw that in bubbles (while trying to put a Sansa version together) |
| 12:54:35 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:56:17 | roolku | JdGordon: while working on keys and plugins - could you please fix that the first button gets eaten after exiting certain plugins? |
| 12:57:11 | JdGordon | which? |
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| 12:58:18 | roolku | most I would say. Starting from the top bounce, brickmania |
| 12:58:24 | Nico_P | i have a patch that should be ready for inclusion in SVN if it's a wanted (which it seems to be until viewports are implemented) : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4783#comment12293 |
| 12:59:11 | Nico_P | fully compatible with all current WPS in SVN |
| 12:59:52 | roolku | bubbles is okay, but calculator is not, chessbox works, ... |
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| 13:01:03 | JdGordon | calc is fine here |
| 13:01:58 | JdGordon | roolku: which target you using? |
| 13:02:24 | roolku | JdGordon: h120 |
| 13:02:25 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I like the patch, but wait till the build system i working again |
| 13:02:34 | JdGordon | ok, hmmm |
| 13:02:38 | Nico_P | JdGordon: ok |
| 13:03:37 | JdGordon | roolku: Im on the h300, so shold be the same, and I dont tihnk ive ever noticed buttons bein eaten after leaving plugins... ill look out for it tho now |
| 13:04:38 | roolku | JdGordon: thanks, I reported it in your thread in the forums some time ago |
| 13:05:34 | roolku | roolku: maybe its not more than have checking systematically - but its the once I use more often and it is very irritating |
| 13:05:57 | roolku | .. than half, ... |
| 13:06:20 | Mikachu | roolku: it's not to do with first press turns on backlight? |
| 13:06:20 | roolku | ...ones... |
| 13:06:24 | * | roolku can't spell |
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| 13:07:19 | roolku | Mikachu: I don't think I have that option on a h120? and if so it is off |
| 13:07:27 | Mikachu | okay |
| 13:07:53 | JdGordon | roolku: you do have the option.... goto the wps, let the backlight turn off then see if it eats the navi button |
| 13:08:27 | roolku | it is set to "No" |
| 13:09:09 | JdGordon | oh well... that would have been a nice answer |
| 13:10:11 | daurn | hey JdGordon |
| 13:10:14 | roolku | could it be that some trigger on releasing and some on pressing the off button? |
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| 13:10:42 | JdGordon | hey daurn, sup? |
| 13:11:00 | daurn | i'm bored & tired |
| 13:11:04 | JdGordon | roolku: it shhuo,dnt be, |
| 13:13:41 | JdGordon | roolku: is there another way to exit calc than off? |
| 13:15:25 | roolku | JdGordon: not that I know off - I noticed it doesn't matter if you leave brickmania via the off button or via the menu - button gets eaten |
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| 13:16:21 | JdGordon | sorry, I cant reproduce it at all, tried brickmania and calc, both from the tree and the browse plugins menu |
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| 13:17:47 | roolku | JdGordon: you press off in brickmania, wait until you are in the menu, press down and the bar goes down? Very odd. |
| 13:18:22 | JdGordon | yep |
| 13:18:54 | roolku | I'll see if I can reproduce it in the simulator |
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| 13:19:49 | Nico_P | roolku: it works for me too, no problem here |
| 13:23:17 | * | JdGordon cant stay awake anymore... cyaz |
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| 13:30:05 | * | GodEaterWeb ponders whether we should have a bit in the iPod install manual at the end of the bootloader install section saying "if you got a Rockbox -1 Error after this, go back and read section 2.2.2 again". |
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| 13:31:23 | GodEaterWeb | there's also a typo in the booloader section, we have "isntallation" instead of "installation" |
| 13:31:52 | pondlife | Anyone fancy updating http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPCMPlayback - LinusN started it, but maybe lostlogic or jhMikeS could do some? The crossfade and voice stuff is still mysterious to me. |
| 13:33:00 | pondlife | lostlogic: Around? |
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| 13:34:24 | senab | is there any reasonb why the source has grown about 700k overnight? http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source |
| 13:34:49 | pondlife | I'm probably in the wroing time zone, but let me know if you'd object to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback being cleared of all the bug reports. The outstanding stuff should be on Flyspray - I'll check first. |
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| 13:39:40 | Bagderr | senab: the new fonts I guess |
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| 13:42:44 | senab | @badgerr: oh ye, forgot about them |
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| 13:45:50 | bluebrother | GodEaterWeb: typo fixed :) |
| 13:46:03 | GodEaterWeb | cool :) |
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| 13:50:11 | roolku | Nico_P: what player do you have? I just downloaded the latest daily, reset settings and it still is a problem on both, my h120 and my h140 |
| 13:50:32 | Nico_P | H320 |
| 13:51:21 | roolku | anyone here with a h1x0 who could test this before it drives me nuts. :) |
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| 13:59:39 | PaulJam | do aac files play gapless in rockbox? |
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| 14:01:25 | GodEaterWeb | The wiki still says it's running at less than 50% of real time - so I think it would be difficult to tell =/ |
| 14:02:03 | roolku | JdGordon: if you read the logs - it works fine in the sim |
| 14:08:09 | pixelma | roolku: stupid question maybe - is there the slightest chance that it has to do with your hardware mods? |
| 14:09:16 | roolku | pixelma: no the problem started immideately after JdGordons button action implementation - no hardware mod at this time :( |
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| 14:10:58 | roolku | I am now trying to cut down calc to its essentials to see when the problem goes away (if it does) |
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| 14:15:52 | Ferrum] | hi alL! |
| 14:16:04 | Ferrum] | I have one question |
| 14:16:53 | Ferrum] | how can i install patches? I want 2 install album art patch for zenv2 theme |
| 14:16:53 | Ferrum] | )) |
| 14:17:08 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: No, I don't think Rockbox removes any leading or trailing samples in AAC files. Is there even a standard for that? |
| 14:17:55 | GodEaterWeb | Ferrum]: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 14:18:09 | petur | Ferrum]: the patches apply to the source which you must then compile |
| 14:18:37 | GodEaterWeb | Ferrum]: or download an unsupported build which already features album art |
| 14:19:39 | Ferrum] | GodEaterWeb: where i can get them? |
| 14:19:51 | petur | look in the forum |
| 14:20:16 | Ferrum] | thnx))) |
| 14:20:26 | petur | ))) |
| 14:20:30 | preglow | snoooow |
| 14:20:30 | preglow | finally |
| 14:20:35 | petur | oh |
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| 14:20:56 | * | petur packs some beers and heads over to preglow |
| 14:21:29 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: i dont't know. i just noticed that some m4a files that play without gaps on a friends ipod 5.5g (with OF) have gaps on my h300 (with RB). and i was wondering why. |
| 14:21:49 | Juice^ | preglow: where are you located? |
| 14:21:55 | preglow | norway |
| 14:22:08 | preglow | this is the mildest winter ever, hence my joy |
| 14:22:16 | Juice^ | oh which city? |
| 14:22:44 | preglow | oslo |
| 14:22:48 | Juice^ | i see |
| 14:22:49 | norbusan | pah, snow, what is this??? Even on 3500m in the alps there is not a lot. Pahhh. Damned. |
| 14:22:56 | petur | this winter sucks: it's 14 degrees celcius here, 10 above normal (in .be) |
| 14:23:05 | Juice^ | im in stavanger... still no sign of snow here :O |
| 14:23:11 | norbusan | At least ice clmbing on the high walls is not too bad. |
| 14:23:20 | preglow | Juice^: supposed to come anyway |
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| 14:23:47 | preglow | anyway, i'm outta here |
| 14:23:48 | preglow | snow > code |
| 14:24:19 | * | grai just sent a big fat email to rockbox-dev |
| 14:24:26 | * | grai hopes the bigwigs follow that list |
| 14:24:29 | * | grai goes to bed |
| 14:24:33 | preglow | they do |
| 14:24:34 | Juice^ | but my gf reported snow in the mountains of bergen |
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| 14:25:28 | grai | p'glow: luvley |
| 14:26:00 | Juice^ | preglow, kast noen snballer for meg |
| 14:26:08 | Bagderr | another "lets change wiki" post... |
| 14:26:12 | preglow | Juice^: damn straight |
| 14:26:41 | GodEaterWeb | does he really think we're all sitting here now slapping our foreheads at point 1) |
| 14:26:46 | GodEaterWeb | I think it's easier said than done! |
| 14:26:49 | Juice^ | preglow: remember to put some stones inside them :o hehehe |
| 14:27:00 | Juice^ | preglow: and dont eat the yellow snow :o |
| 14:27:00 | Bagderr | godeater: most of his points is a lot easier said than done |
| 14:27:13 | Bagderr | since these things evolve over long time |
| 14:27:16 | GodEaterWeb | I thought I'd start with my critique at the beginning ;) |
| 14:28:06 | preglow | Juice^: but that's the tastiest snow! |
| 14:28:19 | preglow | i figure someone spilt beer on it |
| 14:28:33 | Juice^ | preglow: haha :) |
| 14:28:39 | preglow | anywho, later |
| 14:28:43 | Juice^ | later |
| 14:29:15 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: I _think_ itunes does its own thing with AAC files - we would need to investigate what that is, and whether the gapless information is in the tags, or only in the itunesdb. |
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| 14:30:01 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: Lear may know more - he's done a lot of work on the mp4/AAC parsing. |
| 14:30:17 | GodEaterWeb | I think anyone suggesting replacing the wiki with "Product X" should just do it themselves, and show us their great effort afterwards |
| 14:30:29 | GodEaterWeb | it's not like the content is secret |
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| 14:32:07 | roolku | jdGorden: even the helloworld plugin has the problem. :( |
| 14:35:37 | bluebrother | roolku: does the OF behave correctly? (you're talking about buttons, right?) |
| 14:37:10 | roolku | bluebrother: don't know I don't have it anymore. :) But it is really specific to plugins - after exiting certain plugins the first keypress is not executed |
| 14:38:16 | bluebrother | only the first keypress? I think this is known |
| 14:38:38 | bluebrother | and caused by the actions code −− plugins using actions work (afaik) |
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| 14:42:23 | pixelma | I don't have this problem on my Ondio (at least the ones mentioned and never noticed myself)... the only plugins that use button actions are bubbles and metronome |
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| 14:44:26 | roolku | bluebrother: well, it doesn't seem to be known by jdGordon. :( |
| 14:44:40 | roolku | bluebrother: some of the old ones work and some don't |
| 14:45:25 | roolku | pixelma: bubbles and metronome are fine but so is for instance logo |
| 14:46:15 | roolku | I am also very surprised that the h3x0 are ok |
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| 15:02:28 | Nico_P | i updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KnowledgeMap... though i probably made a lot of mistakes/omissions |
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| 15:29:45 | markun_ | Nico_P: do you think I should add a separate unicode entry and put my name there? |
| 15:30:07 | Nico_P | why not |
| 15:30:52 | Nico_P | originally it's not my idea but i thought it was a good one and got tired of seeing it empty :) |
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| 15:41:34 | nls_web | Is there any category for obsolete wikipages or do they just get renamed to WhateverObsolete ? |
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| 15:43:47 | webguest69 | Hi, I'm DeanMurray. Just registered on the Rockbox TWiki to add a tutorial I wrote about managing music on Rockbox. Can I have write permissions? |
| 15:44:39 | nls_web | sure |
| 15:45:48 | webguest69 | DeanMurray again... Thanks. |
| 15:45:59 | nls_web | done |
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| 15:48:36 | Bagderr | hm, so the newer Sansa version uses a different file name on the mi4 |
| 15:49:54 | Bagderr | it'll make the rockbox install instruction funnier... :-P |
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| 15:54:02 | nls_web | Bagderr: Would you rename http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2 to DatabaseV2Obsolete or something similar, I don't have rename access... |
| 15:56:52 | PaschalNee | Possibly Dumb question coming here .... what was the original source of the RockBox firmware? Was it a fork of some Linux variant or was it done from scratch? I check the FAQ/History pages but to no avail. |
| 15:57:32 | daurnimator | scrath |
| 15:58:17 | Bagderr | we can just as well remove it, can't we? |
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| 15:58:45 | Bagderr | paschal: the original rockbox was nothing |
| 15:58:49 | Bagderr | then we wrote it ;-) |
| 15:59:53 | PaschalNee | And very nice it is too - just have it up on my Nano. Thanks |
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| 16:00:27 | nls_web | Bagderr: sure (remove) :) |
| 16:01:50 | | Quit PaschalNee () |
| 16:02:50 | Bagderr | and its gone |
| 16:03:12 | Bagderr | TagDatabase too I guess |
| 16:04:36 | Bagderr | or possibly that should just be modified to reflect reality |
| 16:04:52 | Bagderr | there's a bunch of existing links to it |
| 16:05:59 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder - can you reset Wiki passwords? I hit the "forgot my password" link without actually checking I'd set up an email address to have the new one sent to. |
| 16:06:04 | * | GodEaterWeb waits for his gold star badge |
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| 16:08:50 | Bagderr | yes, I can do that but not right now |
| 16:09:23 | GodEaterWeb | no rush - I did it days ago ;) |
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| 16:11:52 | Stalwart | svn \o/ |
| 16:12:05 | Stalwart | will rss of changelog be available? |
| 16:12:12 | Stalwart | i want to track development |
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| 16:15:02 | Bagderr | feel free to make one |
| 16:16:15 | Mikachu | you can tell 'svn log' to output xml |
| 16:16:41 | Bagderr | and there are svn2rss scripts "out there" |
| 16:17:41 | Bagderr | and you can get an rss feed from the commit mailing list |
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| 16:23:09 | Stalwart | Bagderr: link please? |
| 16:23:18 | roolku | JdGordon: I think I found the cause of the problem of the eaten buttons - I have written it up in your thread in the forums |
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| 16:37:01 | bluebrother | Stalwart: look at the gmame archive for rockbox-cvs |
| 16:37:54 | perl|work | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/ |
| 16:38:00 | perl|work | interesting |
| 16:39:51 | Stalwart | iphone isn't what i expected so i'm looking at symbian powered phones now |
| 16:40:06 | * | GodEaterWeb hugs his N73 |
| 16:40:07 | fasmaie | perl|work: You have a gigabeat, right? |
| 16:40:11 | Stalwart | anyone know good 300$-400$ symbians? |
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| 16:40:44 | Stalwart | GodEaterWeb: is it expensive? |
| 16:40:52 | GodEaterWeb | didn't cost me a bean |
| 16:41:04 | perl|work | fasmaie yes, 2 |
| 16:41:12 | GodEaterWeb | well - not up front anyway - it was free with the contract |
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| 16:41:21 | Stalwart | damn |
| 16:41:31 | fasmaie | Do you use the buttonlight CVS build, by ay chance? |
| 16:41:38 | fasmaie | any |
| 16:41:41 | Stalwart | in .lv we have only ~200$ phones by contract |
| 16:41:41 | perl|work | i do |
| 16:41:51 | GodEaterWeb | move to the UK then ;) |
| 16:42:06 | fasmaie | if you have a build for an F40, would you be able to send it to me? |
| 16:42:14 | Stalwart | GodEaterWeb: i can't, i need to study |
| 16:42:32 | GodEaterWeb | well, I didn't really expect you to pack your suitcase right now |
| 16:42:42 | perl|work | fasmaie oh im at work, dont have anything at hand |
| 16:42:49 | Stalwart | i want to move somewhere when i finish high school |
| 16:42:49 | fasmaie | No problem |
| 16:42:54 | fasmaie | Thanks anyway |
| 16:43:09 | perl|work | still no latest builds on the site? |
| 16:43:14 | fasmaie | Nope |
| 16:43:30 | GodEaterWeb | they look like they go for about £150 on ebay Stalwart |
| 16:43:31 | | Part norbusan |
| 16:43:35 | Stalwart | i see what happens here and think that in near future Latvia will be renamed to Microsoftland |
| 16:43:48 | GodEaterWeb | which is approx 300 USD |
| 16:43:55 | Stalwart | that's ebay |
| 16:44:01 | Stalwart | i don't buy in internetshops |
| 16:44:04 | fasmaie | perl|work: do you have an estimate of the battery life you're getting....I assume the time mentioned in the WPS is inaccurate |
| 16:44:28 | GodEaterWeb | well they're going to be even more in a "real" shop |
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| 16:45:16 | Stalwart | i'll check out local shops after i get more money, i turned 18 recently and can get leasing now |
| 16:45:35 | * | GodEaterWeb vaguely remembers being 18 |
| 16:45:52 | perl|work | fasmaie, with no EQ i got about 15 hours |
| 16:46:24 | Stalwart | iphone is fucking PDA, not the well featured phone... ;[ |
| 16:46:26 | perl|work | with EQ its something around 9 |
| 16:46:36 | fasmaie | perl|work: Thanks....I was wondering why my WPS was saying 5:50 |
| 16:47:11 | perl|work | battery life was much improved lately |
| 16:47:25 | fasmaie | perl|work: Would treble/bass settings impact the battery life..I guess a bit |
| 16:47:43 | fasmaie | perl|work: This is the most recent daily |
| 16:47:43 | Stalwart | devs here? i'm curious if i can change GUI easily? i don't like what rockbox has now, it doesn't fit ipods well = |
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| 16:47:44 | Stalwart | =\ |
| 16:47:50 | perl|work | they shouldn't since its hardware sound settings |
| 16:48:09 | GodEaterWeb | change the GUI in what way ? |
| 16:48:30 | Stalwart | rewrite menu structure and keybinds |
| 16:48:49 | Stalwart | does rockbox separate toolkit from gui like iPl's podzilla does? |
| 16:48:49 | GodEaterWeb | it's pretty easy if you know C |
| 16:48:59 | GodEaterWeb | we don't have a "toolkit" |
| 16:49:12 | Stalwart | i need to read src |
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| 16:49:22 | Stalwart | i want different menu structure |
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| 16:52:39 | perl|work | fasmaie whats the date of your build? |
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| 16:53:07 | fasmaie | 20070109 |
| 16:53:21 | perl|work | go to info/debug |
| 16:53:38 | fasmaie | perl|work: ok, and |
| 16:53:52 | perl|work | you will see side buttons lights settings there |
| 16:54:04 | fasmaie | perl|work: thanks |
| 16:54:16 | perl|work | you can play around with them but cant save |
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| 16:54:43 | perl|work | they will stay on until you power the unit off |
| 16:55:10 | fasmaie | perl|work: Any way to get a battery meter to be more accurate...or is the only way to find out the life on my F40 to do a bench? |
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| 16:55:25 | fasmaie | perl|work: That's ok |
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| 16:56:37 | perl|work | only the bench will tell you the accurate time at the moment |
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| 16:57:15 | fasmaie | perl|work: Thanks, I'll do that then....I get nervous when I see less than 6 hours on a full charge |
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| 16:58:05 | perl|work | its normal, right now it drains very fast and then shows 10-20% left for a long while |
| 16:58:28 | amiconn | The curve needs calibration |
| 16:58:32 | fasmaie | That's fine then...I thought that would be the case |
| 16:58:50 | amiconn | Someone needs to fully charge, and then perform a benchmark run |
| 16:59:10 | amiconn | With the log file from the benchmark the meter can be calibrated |
| 16:59:57 | Nico_P | amiconn: is the same thing needed fir the H300 ? |
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| 17:00:01 | perl|work | amiconn i wanted to do that but all gigabeat port people seem to be gone at the moment |
| 17:04:26 | perl|work | fasmaie was your unit brand new when you got it? |
| 17:04:49 | fasmaie | perl|work: Refurbished, actually |
| 17:04:59 | fasmaie | perl|work: that's why I was worried |
| 17:05:46 | perl|work | i think gotthardt has a refurbished one as well |
| 17:06:06 | perl|work | he reported around 10 hours with no EQ |
| 17:06:35 | perl|work | so 5 or so hours less |
| 17:07:20 | fasmaie | perl|work: That would work for me....but I'll have to check |
| 17:07:36 | fasmaie | could someone give me wiki write permission |
| 17:09:04 | perl|work | i was reaching almost 19 hours on stock firmware |
| 17:09:28 | fasmaie | perl|work: Thats cool |
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| 17:09:51 | fasmaie | perl|work: Still, I dislike the stock firmware |
| 17:09:52 | perl|work | yeah i was really suprised with battery life when i got f20 |
| 17:10:10 | perl|work | fasmaie haha who doesnt |
| 17:10:33 | fasmaie | true |
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| 17:12:34 | perl|work | actually there're people on mygigabeat forums who got scared by rockbox after 10 minutes of use |
| 17:13:01 | fasmaie | Wow! |
| 17:13:24 | fasmaie | I know how that can be.... |
| 17:13:36 | fasmaie | People get scared by something different |
| 17:14:30 | fasmaie | That's where Apple got it right on the iPod interface |
| 17:14:37 | perl|work | yeah and they probably have no need for rockbox on the 1st place |
| 17:14:45 | fasmaie | While I don't like it.....it is simple |
| 17:15:06 | fasmaie | Nope |
| 17:15:11 | perl|work | personally i never even had problems with stock firmware/gigabeat software |
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| 17:16:21 | perl|work | but yeah, no i look at it as some sort of a nightmare |
| 17:16:24 | perl|work | now* |
| 17:17:34 | fasmaie | After I used rockbox on my iPod, I could not go back to the apple firmware |
| 17:18:12 | fasmaie | Then the wife got me the gigabeat (yesterday) - and now Im happy |
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| 17:19:31 | perl|work | well at least on ipods there are many workaround to get files on and back from the units |
| 17:20:12 | perl|work | on gigabeat you pretty much hopelessly stuck with .sat wrapper |
| 17:23:45 | fasmaie | perl|work: Do you have wiki write access? |
| 17:24:33 | Stalwart | does anyone work on piezo support in rockbox? |
| 17:26:19 | GodEaterWeb | Stalwart: not to my knowledge. There's a lot of hardware in the iPod we don't use properly. |
| 17:26:27 | GodEaterWeb | if at all |
| 17:26:31 | Mikachu | we know how it works though |
| 17:26:50 | GodEaterWeb | yeah - I don't really the see the point of it myself though ;) |
| 17:26:53 | Stalwart | GodEaterWeb: piezo is implemented in iPl, porting should be easy |
| 17:26:53 | Mikachu | i have two plugins that use it |
| 17:27:07 | GodEaterWeb | I stand corrected then :) |
| 17:27:09 | Mikachu | one i made myself, maps the wheel to the frequency of the beep |
| 17:27:12 | Mikachu | insta piano |
| 17:27:23 | Stalwart | :D |
| 17:27:23 | Mikachu | sort of hard to play in tune though |
| 17:27:25 | GodEaterWeb | you have any recordings of your tunes on it :) |
| 17:27:38 | Mikachu | nope |
| 17:27:46 | Mikachu | it usually makes the ipod reboot after 5 minutes, no idea why |
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| 17:28:03 | Stalwart | Mikachu: is your piezo stuff in core or in plugin? |
| 17:28:10 | Mikachu | it's in the plugin |
| 17:28:18 | Mikachu | it's just three lines writing to registers basically |
| 17:29:06 | Stalwart | :D |
| 17:29:16 | Stalwart | needs to be ported to core |
| 17:29:29 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/beeper.c |
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| 17:29:43 | Mikachu | no idea if it still compiles |
| 17:30:46 | perl|work | fasmaie nope |
| 17:31:28 | fasmaie | perl|work: Damn! I want make changes to the manual. |
| 17:31:40 | GodEaterWeb | Stalwart: why do we want this feature in core ? |
| 17:31:49 | linuxstb_ | Stalwart: There is a piezo driver patch on the patch tracker. |
| 17:32:21 | nls_web | fasaime: what's your wiki name? |
| 17:33:18 | nls_web | and you can't change the manual from the wiki, it lives in svn, If you make any changes please post them on the tracker |
| 17:40:38 | nls_web | bbl |
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| 18:00:09 | Stalwart | i found a bug in wiki |
| 18:00:21 | Stalwart | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ <−− picture with text entry doesn't appear |
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| 18:05:38 | Phish| | I found a bug with rockbox −−> It doesn't cost what it's worth :shifty: |
| 18:06:21 | | Quit linuxstb_ ("Leaving") |
| 18:08:15 | Nimdae | Phish|: you could always pay what you feel it's worth ;) |
| 18:08:19 | Phish| | hehe |
| 18:08:25 | Nimdae | there's a paypal donate button on the right side of the page |
| 18:09:05 | Phish| | well soap is making a wiki tutorial on how to make line-in adapters out of dock connectors |
| 18:09:05 | Nimdae | i personally donate cpu time for the cvs and daily builds :) |
| 18:09:22 | perl|work | that would be a perfect scenario−−Toshiba gives up F and X series designs to rockbox projects and it opens a hardware line with rockbox software |
| 18:09:23 | Phish| | seeing as i go to a music school, i could probably sell those to people wanting to turn their ipods in to recording devices |
| 18:09:32 | Phish| | then donate the money to rockbox |
| 18:09:32 | Phish| | :) |
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| 18:10:13 | Phish| | perl|work: but then the problem is the developers have to do what toshiba wants, not what makes good software |
| 18:10:32 | Nimdae | man, when bagder gets the new svn system up, and the distributed building resumes, there's gonna be a huge commit and build |
| 18:11:21 | nls_web | Nimdae: commits already work |
| 18:11:29 | perl|work | Phish|, thats why i said "gives up" |
| 18:12:26 | Phish| | well then lets petition them to do it :) |
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| 18:13:43 | perl|work | F, X and even S are pretty much dead now anyway |
| 18:15:23 | Nimdae | nls_web: ah, well, the cvs...or rather what will be svn...build system and loggint isn't working yet |
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| 18:34:29 | Phish| | hmmmm, we need FLAC for the recording device |
| 18:34:44 | * | Phish| begins digging in to what's required |
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| 18:39:00 | fasmaie | nls_web: my wiki name is YohannMisquitta |
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| 18:41:06 | Phish| | and i see converting to FLAC is a waste of time because WavPack is lossless....nevermind then |
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| 18:44:44 | fasmaie | bye |
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| 18:48:47 | nls_web | fasmaie: if you read the logs, you now have wiki write access. |
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| 19:04:58 | phrozen77_ | say, anyone can tell me how to format my ipod? |
| 19:05:05 | phrozen77_ | (without itunes) |
| 19:05:30 | nls_web | phrozen77_: like any other disk? |
| 19:05:42 | phrozen77_ | so i just fdisk it? |
| 19:05:53 | nls_web | what OS? |
| 19:05:59 | phrozen77_ | <- linux / gentoo |
| 19:06:04 | phrozen77_ | sec, brb |
| 19:07:50 | nls_web | fdisk is not needed to format, that will edit your partitions. |
| 19:08:32 | pixelma | maybe interesting for this question... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.msg63181#msg63181 and following (?) |
| 19:08:37 | nls_web | I guess you want to use mkfs.vfat with apropriate switches etc, but make sure to format the big second partition, not the small first one |
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| 19:10:47 | nls_web | as you can see in the thread pixelma posted the ipod wont work if the small firmware partition is removed, but it can be restored by iTunes or dd, if you have a backup |
| 19:12:13 | Everybody | hmm |
| 19:12:16 | Everybody | ok |
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| 19:12:38 | Everybody | for some music files (usually for whole folders) in rockbox I'll get a message saying "o File" which I suspect means "No file" |
| 19:12:41 | Everybody | the files play properly on my computer |
| 19:12:45 | Everybody | when I plug it in |
| 19:12:50 | Everybody | but Rockbox just can't play them |
| 19:13:05 | Everybody | any suggestions? |
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| 19:17:11 | nls_web | Everybody: waht format? |
| 19:17:49 | nls_web | they aren't wma's, are they? ;-) |
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| 19:18:56 | Everybody | uhm |
| 19:18:58 | Everybody | is that bad |
| 19:19:09 | markun | they are just not supported |
| 19:19:14 | Everybody | hmm |
| 19:19:22 | Everybody | but it can play them right? |
| 19:19:25 | Everybody | just not all of them |
| 19:19:25 | nls_web | no |
| 19:19:33 | Everybody | hmm I'm pretty sure it's played some WMAs... ah well |
| 19:19:35 | nls_web | no wma support at all |
| 19:19:38 | Everybody | just have to reconvert then |
| 19:19:51 | perl|work | theres an experimental patch? |
| 19:20:00 | markun | yes, there is |
| 19:20:08 | markun | they might even play fine on the gigabeat |
| 19:20:12 | Everybody | I have an H10 though |
| 19:20:14 | markun | perl|work: care to try? |
| 19:20:20 | perl|work | hey markun, hows the capital of love |
| 19:20:31 | Everybody | are you still talking about WMAs or have we moved on to Paris now ;s |
| 19:20:33 | Everybody | :s |
| 19:20:34 | perl|work | markun good idea, ill try it tonight |
| 19:20:37 | markun | not much love, but the capital is fine otherwise |
| 19:20:57 | markun | Everybody: yes, Paris :) |
| 19:21:03 | Everybody | oh cool |
| 19:21:04 | Everybody | I thought so |
| 19:21:08 | markun | Everybody: on H10 you are out of luck I think |
| 19:21:20 | Everybody | ah dammit |
| 19:21:22 | Everybody | ok |
| 19:21:26 | Everybody | just need to reconvert to MP3 |
| 19:21:30 | markun | until someone optimizes the codec enough to play realtime |
| 19:21:37 | Everybody | I see |
| 19:21:46 | markun | Keep the originals, they will hopefully work one day |
| 19:21:58 | Everybody | I don't mind about converting them permenantly to mp3 |
| 19:22:23 | Everybody | and once there is support I'm not exactly going to delete the MP3s to put on the WMAs |
| 19:22:24 | nls_web | ugh transcoding... |
| 19:22:44 | Everybody | ceci, c'est ennuyeux, non |
| 19:22:57 | Everybody | ooh la la |
| 19:23:04 | Everybody | ca ne va pas! |
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| 19:24:36 | perl|work | markun, small question |
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| 19:25:11 | perl|work | is it possible to implement the side buttons to move the cursor in text editor |
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| 19:30:17 | markun | perl|work: sure, why not? |
| 19:32:28 | perl|work | that would be very nice |
| 19:32:50 | perl|work | cause now you have to delete the whole line etc to make corrections |
| 19:33:49 | Nico_P | Everybody: nice french :p |
| 19:34:27 | markun | perl|work: I think you can move with POWER+LEFT |
| 19:34:49 | perl|work | also i think backlight behaviour / settings on hold switch needs to be adjusted |
| 19:34:49 | markun | At least that was the intention |
| 19:34:56 | perl|work | markun really? let me try |
| 19:35:01 | Nico_P | markun: are you saying the WMA codec in the tracker is functionnal but slower than realtime ? |
| 19:35:03 | markun | yes, it's not implemented |
| 19:35:19 | markun | Nico_P: I thought so, but never tried it myself |
| 19:35:39 | perl|work | and we still have that wps bug |
| 19:35:43 | Nico_P | i'm not really sure wer'e that close to supporting wma |
| 19:35:48 | perl|work | (which is somehow the most frustrating one) |
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| 19:37:05 | markun | perl|work: you mean the background colour problem? |
| 19:37:33 | perl|work | yeah |
| 19:37:54 | perl|work | and it effects progress bars |
| 19:38:10 | perl|work | yes, POWER+left/right works for scrolling |
| 19:38:23 | perl|work | nice |
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| 19:40:07 | markun | perl|work: and I still think that should become A+LEFT |
| 19:40:20 | perl|work | its easy to accidentally switch off the player this way though |
| 19:40:29 | markun | to prevent shutdown while holding POWER too long :) |
| 19:40:34 | perl|work | hehe |
| 19:40:45 | perl|work | but why not the side volume buttons? |
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| 19:42:05 | markun | I think the idea was to use them to always change the volume |
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| 19:42:27 | perl|work | thats a very good idea |
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| 19:44:05 | markun | perl|work: there are some targets with volume buttons on the remote for which this feature would also be nice |
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| 19:46:29 | Nico_P | markun: i downloaded the wma patch and i can't gunzip it... |
| 19:46:46 | Nico_P | actually i can but the output is a bin file |
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| 19:58:31 | LinusN | Nico_P: gunzip it again |
| 19:58:34 | phrozen77_ | meh |
| 19:58:43 | LinusN | it is zipped twice for some reason |
| 19:58:45 | phrozen77_ | after mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2 it wont mount anyomre |
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| 20:00:21 | Mikachu | phrozen77_: you want -F 32 at least |
| 20:00:23 | Mikachu | iirc |
| 20:00:32 | Mikachu | or you'll get a fat16 filesystem |
| 20:00:47 | Nico_P | LinusN: thanks :) |
| 20:00:53 | ruisu | so, to upload a wps, i need to register? |
| 20:00:56 | Nico_P | better now |
| 20:00:57 | phrozen77_ | phrozen77@laptop ~ $ mount /dev/ipod |
| 20:00:57 | phrozen77_ | mount: /dev/ipod: can't read superblock |
| 20:01:29 | phrozen77_ | (its now formatted with f32 |
| 20:01:48 | Mikachu | and ls -l /dev/ipod points to /dev/sda2 ? |
| 20:02:05 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # ls -l /dev/ipod |
| 20:02:05 | phrozen77_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jan 11 19:54 /dev/ipod -> sda2 |
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| 20:02:56 | phrozen77_ | Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes |
| 20:02:56 | phrozen77_ | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2432 cylinders |
| 20:02:56 | phrozen77_ | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 2048 = 32901120 bytes |
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| 20:02:56 | phrozen77_ | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 20:02:56 | phrozen77_ | /dev/sda1 1 4 128394 0 Empty |
| 20:02:57 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:02:57 | phrozen77_ | /dev/sda2 5 2432 78011640 b W95 FAT32 |
| 20:03:02 | Mikachu | try mount -t vfat /dev/ipod |
| 20:03:38 | phrozen77_ | same |
| 20:03:54 | phrozen77_ | as expected, since fstab is set right |
| 20:04:15 | Mikachu | is vfat listed in /proc/filesystems? |
| 20:04:31 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # cat /proc/filesystems | grep vfat |
| 20:04:31 | phrozen77_ | vfat |
| 20:04:43 | Mikachu | out of ideas |
| 20:04:45 | phrozen77_ | why shouldnt it, support is compiled in and it worked happily before |
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| 20:04:56 | phrozen77_ | hm |
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| 20:05:21 | phrozen77_ | what about removing the partition and adding it agian with fdisk, then formatting again? |
| 20:05:38 | Mikachu | i don't see why that would help |
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| 20:07:44 | phrozen77_ | hm |
| 20:07:47 | phrozen77_ | did it, same result |
| 20:09:26 | Mikachu | do you have another computer handy to try on? |
| 20:09:47 | Mikachu | or before that, have you tried replugging it? |
| 20:09:49 | phrozen77_ | not plugged together |
| 20:09:54 | phrozen77_ | no |
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| 20:11:28 | phrozen77_ | funny enough, its initializing itself when i turn it on |
| 20:11:36 | phrozen77_ | ie, i get the first-boot dialogue |
| 20:11:43 | phrozen77_ | lets see if i can mount it again now |
| 20:12:03 | phrozen77_ | no |
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| 20:13:02 | Mikachu | i can't remember having to do anything to make mkdosfs happy |
| 20:14:48 | Mikachu | phrozen77_: you could try on a loopback file |
| 20:15:07 | phrozen77_ | well im pretty sure mounting vfat itself does work |
| 20:15:07 | draggho | hi there |
| 20:15:19 | draggho | one q question |
| 20:15:35 | Mikachu | phrozen77_: yeah but are you sure your mkfs.vfat works? |
| 20:15:47 | draggho | is ther any chance to avoid using UMS trick with MTP h10 to upload files |
| 20:15:49 | phrozen77_ | it should, i suppose |
| 20:16:46 | Mikachu | phrozen77_: try dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=10000 of=testfile; mkfs.vfat -F 32 testfile; mkdir testdir; mount -o loop testfile testdir |
| 20:16:50 | Mikachu | or something |
| 20:17:46 | pixelma | phrozen77_: don't you have a 80GB Ipod - maybe something related going on (though I have no idea about filesystems)? |
| 20:17:54 | phrozen77_ | yup |
| 20:17:56 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:18:02 | Mikachu | those have a different blocksize do they not? |
| 20:18:13 | phrozen77_ | no clue? |
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| 20:18:19 | phrozen77_ | mkfs.vfat -F 32 testfile |
| 20:18:19 | phrozen77_ | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 20:18:19 | phrozen77_ | WARNING: Not enough clusters for a 32 bit FAT! |
| 20:18:19 | Slasheri | hehe, i just started like to use my ipod more after putting a nice theme to it ;) now need to optimize the gui code and button driver for better scrolling |
| 20:18:45 | Mikachu | ah my command creates a 10kB file on second inspection |
| 20:18:51 | Mikachu | add three zeroes to count or bs |
| 20:19:22 | Mikachu | i don't know how big the sector size is on ipod 5.5Gs, but you probably need to give that number to mkfs.vfat |
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| 20:20:52 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # mkfs.vfat -F 32 testfile |
| 20:20:52 | phrozen77_ | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 20:20:52 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # mkdir testdir |
| 20:20:52 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # mount -t vfat testfile testdir/ |
| 20:20:52 | phrozen77_ | mount: testfile is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
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| 20:20:53 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # mount -t vfat -o loop testfile testdir/ |
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| 20:22:03 | Mikachu | so that did work |
| 20:22:07 | phrozen77_ | yup |
| 20:22:13 | Mikachu | then it's most likely a block size thing |
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| 20:24:53 | phrozen77_ | the question how to find out the right one remains :P |
| 20:25:11 | Mikachu | someone here should know, i think it's 2048 though |
| 20:25:31 | phrozen77_ | could be, fdisk said something like that |
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| 20:25:41 | Mikachu | it's either that or 1024 |
| 20:26:21 | phrozen77_ | do you by chance know the option on how to tell mkfs the blocksize? |
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| 20:27:19 | Mikachu | nope |
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| 20:27:33 | phrozen77_ | laptop phrozen77 # fdisk /dev/sda |
| 20:27:33 | phrozen77_ | Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) |
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| 20:28:06 | Mikachu | perhaps -S logical-sector-size |
| 20:28:32 | phrozen77_ | hah! |
| 20:28:37 | phrozen77_ | phrozen77@laptop ~ $ mount /dev/ipod |
| 20:28:37 | phrozen77_ | phrozen77@laptop ~ $ |
| 20:28:56 | Mikachu | pixelma: thanks :) |
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| 20:29:17 | phrozen77_ | thank you Mikachu |
| 20:30:07 | GodEater | where does one acquire the right build script for the svn server (assuming one's been written for build servers now) ? |
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| 20:36:21 | dan_a | Darn! I just tried phoning Nvidia to see if I could get any PortalPlayer documentation... I got transferred a load of times and then got dumped to a voicemail :( |
| 20:36:52 | markun | nice service |
| 20:37:13 | gotthardt | hey markun |
| 20:37:19 | markun | hi gotthardt! |
| 20:37:24 | gotthardt | how is paris? |
| 20:37:25 | markun | long time no chat |
| 20:37:33 | markun | great |
| 20:37:45 | markun | I feel very small in this big city |
| 20:37:48 | GodEater | dan_a: I've dumped something onto their forums too |
| 20:37:57 | gotthardt | heh |
| 20:38:06 | GodEater | with the same level of success - but a lot less of the run around you've had ;) |
| 20:38:19 | dan_a | GodEater: Good thinking - probably a lot less of the bill too! |
| 20:38:35 | gotthardt | i saw your request for flickering leds on disk access |
| 20:38:43 | RedZZR | gotthardt: hi... just built and tried the latest svn... my LCD always turns off - even when set to no in debug |
| 20:39:09 | GodEater | dan_a: where do you call? Nvidia UK, or Nvidia USA ? |
| 20:39:17 | gotthardt | RedZZR: yes - for now it always fades and turns off lcd - |
| 20:39:31 | dan_a | GodEater: Head office in California |
| 20:39:36 | gotthardt | there will be settings soon that stick and work |
| 20:39:37 | GodEater | you're a brave soul then :) |
| 20:39:43 | RedZZR | ok, just checking... looks good |
| 20:39:46 | dan_a | I wouldn't expect anyone to answer in the UK at 7pm |
| 20:39:54 | GodEater | good point - well made |
| 20:40:01 | GodEater | I now feel very stupid |
| 20:40:01 | GodEater | :) |
| 20:40:48 | gotthardt | RedZZR: i have svn access and will be testing local, but i would like the build reporting online so i can see if i affect other ports |
| 20:41:10 | gotthardt | before commiting changes that could affect other ports |
| 20:41:33 | markun | gotthardt: will you implement 2 stage backlight fading? |
| 20:42:05 | gotthardt | markun: like fade to dim and then later turn off - I can |
| 20:42:08 | RedZZR | It looks like the switch to SVN has gone smoothly, does anybody know of any problems and when the build info will be switched? |
| 20:42:18 | markun | gotthardt: I think that would be ideal\ |
| 20:42:30 | gotthardt | yes - i would like it that way too.. |
| 20:43:30 | dan_a | GodEater: I might try the UK offices tomorrow |
| 20:43:36 | gotthardt | markun: i would like to propose an api for callbacks so we can do visualizations like winamp - do we have anything like that already? |
| 20:44:07 | markun | gotthardt: you can make a plugin do something like that |
| 20:44:29 | GodEater | dan_a: I guess it doesn't hurt - but from personal experience of working in the UK branch of a US company I wouldn't hope for much |
| 20:44:41 | markun | we have the vu_meter and oscilloscope for example |
| 20:44:59 | GodEater | I used to have hassle getting information out of our US cousins, and I had every right to it at the time |
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| 20:45:05 | LinusN | still, having visualizations in the wps would add some coolness |
| 20:45:15 | gotthardt | markun: cool - ill check those out... i just wanted access to the pcm stream |
| 20:46:01 | gotthardt | winamp uses: callback(howoften, fillmybufferwithpcm) |
| 20:46:26 | LinusN | gotthardt: and winamp uses: a 1GHz PC |
| 20:46:45 | markun | LinusN: amiconn was talking about running plugins inside viewports :) |
| 20:46:53 | gotthardt | LinusN - we have 300Mhz arm on the Gigabeat :) |
| 20:47:01 | LinusN | :_) |
| 20:47:41 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:47:41 | * | GodEater vaguely remembers running winamp back on a 333MHz pentium |
| 20:47:42 | markun | I told vadim that rockbox never sleeps during playback, that is true right? |
| 20:47:50 | amiconn | markun: That will probably be possible, but then there are many things which are more important to do |
| 20:47:52 | GodEater | can't remember what the visuals looked like back then though |
| 20:48:05 | markun | amiconn: I would never use it anyway |
| 20:48:20 | LinusN | amiconn: yeah, like viewports :-P |
| 20:48:35 | amiconn | Sure you will, when they get in |
| 20:48:43 | GodEater | is there a working build server script I can grab from somewhere yet? Or are we still waiting on one that works with SVN ? |
| 20:48:59 | markun | amiconn: I was talking about the visualisations |
| 20:49:09 | amiconn | I know |
| 20:49:31 | amiconn | Atm I won't commit anything non-trivial anyway, until at least the build table is working again |
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| 20:50:25 | perl|work | gotthardt hey |
| 20:50:36 | gotthardt | hey perl|work |
| 20:50:40 | perl|work | i think sloth didnt really find anything on that wps bug |
| 20:51:07 | gotthardt | last i talked with him he though it 'might' be related to dma |
| 20:51:17 | gotthardt | but no fix yet |
| 20:51:23 | LinusN | GodEater: the build script hasn't changed |
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| 20:51:43 | perl|work | gotthardt still love all the side leds effects hehe |
| 20:51:50 | GodEater | LinusN: so where do I get it from then ? The CvsBuildServer page just says "get it" but not where from. |
| 20:51:53 | perl|work | that charging illumination is kinda fun |
| 20:52:02 | gotthardt | heh - that was fun |
| 20:52:06 | gotthardt | it might also be related to what markun sees |
| 20:52:27 | gotthardt | ? server switched my responses... |
| 20:52:31 | combrains | so when will the LED's become part of the main code? |
| 20:52:33 | perl|work | gotthardt i think it is cause i exprienced different kind of bugs with different wps |
| 20:52:51 | perl|work | like on icatcher i could see just one pink line |
| 20:53:01 | perl|work | in some random place on the screen |
| 20:53:06 | LinusN | GodEater: http://linus.haxx.se/acbuild.pl |
| 20:53:14 | perl|work | beatmp and pixel have progress bar broken |
| 20:53:16 | perl|work | etc |
| 20:54:02 | GodEater | LinusN: HTTP 500 error =/ |
| 20:54:08 | LinusN | try again |
| 20:54:13 | GodEater | same |
| 20:54:33 | gotthardt | combrains: the settings will be done later after the build reporiting is online so i can see how other ports are affected by my changes |
| 20:55:12 | combrains | hehe ok |
| 20:55:15 | LinusN | GodEater: silly apache, try http://linus.haxx.se/acbuild.pl.txt |
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| 20:55:17 | GodEater | and now it's a 404.... |
| 20:55:22 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 20:55:28 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 20:55:30 | GodEater | nope |
| 20:55:35 | GodEater | apache still thinks it's something to run |
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| 20:55:40 | | Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 20:55:41 | markun_ | amiconn: which was the other target with software controled leds? the X5? |
| 20:55:49 | GodEater | zip it ? |
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| 20:55:56 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/acbuild.txt |
| 20:56:03 | gotthardt | and what should the leds do ultimatly: combrains and perl|work ? do both: flicker on disk and show charge?or? |
| 20:56:13 | GodEater | LinusN: that got it thanks |
| 20:56:20 | combrains | follow backlight i say |
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| 20:56:31 | markun | gotthardt: for me they can stay off |
| 20:56:40 | combrains | charge and disk access would be nice too |
| 20:56:52 | combrains | why not make a selectable menu |
| 20:56:54 | toffe | can be an option |
| 20:56:59 | combrains | like we have in debug now |
| 20:57:00 | gotthardt | combrains: and for me i want them to be faint always |
| 20:57:29 | gotthardt | the menu gets kind of complicated... do we have a gui for radio buttons and checkboxs? |
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| 20:57:36 | perl|work | gotthardt faint for me as well |
| 20:57:37 | markun | gotthardt: faint with flickering is also possible of course |
| 20:57:51 | perl|work | menu would be ideal |
| 20:58:03 | perl|work | but if we have to stick to one option |
| 20:58:19 | perl|work | id go with always ON (faint) |
| 20:58:35 | perl|work | since i have to find the player in the dark sometimes hehe |
| 20:58:48 | gotthardt | there will be other options, but im trying to think how to combine - |
| 20:59:44 | markun | LEDs: off|faint|follow backlight, flicker on HDD: on|off, on charge: (don't know what it should do) |
| 20:59:58 | perl|work | charging illumination is cool and all but its kinda useless since i charge the player in off condition mainly |
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| 21:00:02 | GodEater | LinusN: ok - I've done everything that's in the CvsBuildServer page now. What next ? |
| 21:00:31 | perl|work | markun you havent seen the illumination on charge? its fun |
| 21:00:41 | LinusN | GodEater: even the SSH keyfile? |
| 21:00:45 | markun | no, didn't try it yet |
| 21:00:47 | GodEater | yep |
| 21:00:47 | GodEater | did that last night |
| 21:00:51 | GodEater | though no-one's tested it |
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| 21:01:12 | markun | gotthardt: what do you think of those 3 options? |
| 21:01:25 | perl|work | btw the player always stays on when plugged to AC, correct? |
| 21:01:27 | gotthardt | markun - good - works for me |
| 21:01:45 | gotthardt | and also the choice of which buttons |
| 21:01:53 | gotthardt | the top 2 or all of them |
| 21:02:07 | markun | gotthardt: or maybe for HDD: nothing|bright|flicker |
| 21:02:26 | gotthardt | good |
| 21:03:09 | perl|work | i noticed strange behaviour with the remote and my f60 |
| 21:03:27 | perl|work | (didnt test it with f20) |
| 21:03:30 | Nico_P | markun: trying to compile with the wma patch, i get "*** No rule to make target `button-target.h', needed by `/home/nicolas/rockbox/rockbox-svn/sim-h300/apps/codecs/libwma/wmadeci.o'. Stop.", like in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984#comment10363 |
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| 21:03:54 | Nico_P | you said you managed to get around that, but i tried what you said and it didn't change anything |
| 21:03:54 | markun | Nico_P: I wrote in the comments how to fix that |
| 21:03:57 | gotthardt | what perl|work was the prob? |
| 21:04:08 | markun | Nico_P: ah, then I don't know |
| 21:04:26 | markun | gotthardt: what should the lights do on charging? |
| 21:04:36 | Nico_P | we're talking about the makefile in apps/codecs/libwma, right ? |
| 21:04:42 | perl|work | play/pause on the remote stops to function as play/pause and does nothing or goes to main menu |
| 21:04:46 | gotthardt | markun - you need to try that - i think you will like it |
| 21:05:07 | markun | gotthardt: I'm charging right now, do I need to enable something? |
| 21:05:11 | perl|work | it was really random |
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| 21:05:23 | GodEater | right - time for dinner. |
| 21:05:29 | gotthardt | markun in info/debug/lights choose the charging |
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| 21:05:46 | amiconn | markun: codecs shouldn't need any target include... |
| 21:06:23 | perl|work | gotthardt do you have the remote? |
| 21:06:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: they all seem to have them |
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| 21:06:51 | gotthardt | yes perl|work - not with me - but i did the code for the remote buttons |
| 21:07:04 | markun | gotthardt: I have to go now, will try it some other time |
| 21:07:19 | gotthardt | bye markun |
| 21:07:20 | perl|work | ever experienced a problem like that? |
| 21:07:44 | gotthardt | it is by design that it acts like that |
| 21:07:59 | gotthardt | i might have to remap that during playback |
| 21:08:09 | perl|work | what do you mean? |
| 21:08:37 | perl|work | cause it works as play/pause alright, just gets out of hand after a while |
| 21:08:52 | gotthardt | Oh - ic - ill have to check that out |
| 21:09:02 | amiconn | Something seems to be very wrong... |
| 21:09:16 | amiconn | Why do we have malloc.h? |
| 21:09:16 | gotthardt | perl|work you have an X? |
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| 21:09:48 | perl|work | gotthardt, no, just f20 and f60 |
| 21:09:54 | perl|work | (i wish i had an X) |
| 21:09:57 | amiconn | ...and why does a codec include firmware includes? |
| 21:10:10 | gotthardt | ok - i assume that all voltages are like my f40 |
| 21:10:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:10:49 | perl|work | do you think theres a difference between all Fs? |
| 21:10:53 | perl|work | hehe |
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| 21:11:14 | stevenm | Finally, MIDI on Simulator works :) |
| 21:11:17 | gotthardt | and they should be - but i only used mine - ill have to put debug back in to read the adc for the buttons and see if yours are different |
| 21:11:31 | perl|work | oh got you |
| 21:11:35 | stevenm | Oh god I hope this doesn't break anything.. |
| 21:11:37 | amiconn | Afaik codecs should _never_ include anything else than codecs.h and stuff within the apps/codecs/ tree |
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| 21:13:56 | perl|work | gotthardt is it possible to save treble/bass settings? |
| 21:14:04 | perl|work | a lot of people are asking about that |
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| 21:17:57 | gotthardt | perl|work - i have seen that and someone put in a patch? |
| 21:18:16 | perl|work | never heard about the patch |
| 21:18:34 | pixelma | I think jba said that he put a patch in the tracker... |
| 21:18:48 | gotthardt | perl|work - maybe its not official - O - thanks pixelma |
| 21:19:01 | perl|work | aha, i have to check then |
| 21:19:32 | toffe | gotthardt : what about a drink in portland airport on monday ? I am going there before going to Medford |
| 21:19:40 | gotthardt | that might be something that I can blind patch |
| 21:19:57 | gotthardt | toffe what time on monday? |
| 21:20:23 | toffe | I am in transit berween 1 and 2 |
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| 21:21:09 | perl|work | thing is, when people find out about a patch it creates even more problems 'cause they are asking how to patch, could somebody to patch it for me, etc hehe |
| 21:21:26 | gotthardt | toffe - that would be fun - |
| 21:21:30 | toffe | yes |
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| 21:22:12 | jackfusion | hi all |
| 21:22:43 | toffe | gotthardt : do you work far from the airport ? |
| 21:23:10 | gotthardt | about 20 miles - its across town |
| 21:23:11 | jackfusion | is there a way to save files in the text editor? |
| 21:23:28 | gotthardt | toffe see msg |
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| 21:24:00 | toffe | gotthardt : ok |
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| 21:25:42 | toffe | gotthardt : still cannot pm |
| 21:26:01 | gotthardt | oh - have you verified with the system? |
| 21:26:21 | gotthardt | or can you see my pms? |
| 21:26:29 | toffe | gotthardt : I try to register but cannot, yes |
| 21:26:44 | toffe | gotthardt : I see the pm but cannot answer |
| 21:26:47 | gotthardt | ok |
| 21:27:18 | amiconn | toffe: If gotthardt enables receiving messages from unregistered user, it would work |
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| 21:27:36 | gotthardt | thanks amiconn how can i do that (irc newbe) |
| 21:27:38 | DraX | is tagcache always going to be big endian? |
| 21:27:38 | * | amiconn usually has that option enabled, no problems so far |
| 21:27:53 | DraX | like across the various players |
| 21:28:11 | amiconn | If I get spammed, I can still disable it |
| 21:28:38 | gotthardt | amiconn - how do i enable? |
| 21:28:43 | Slasheri | DraX: in future, different endianessnes will be supported |
| 21:28:54 | amiconn | /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 21:28:58 | gotthardt | thx |
| 21:29:00 | DraX | Slasheri: and so i shouldn't assume big-endian while writing a reader? |
| 21:29:26 | DraX | i'm writing a xmms2 <-> rockbox syncer |
| 21:29:26 | Slasheri | DraX: well, it depends. For iriver it's big endian, and for ipod the opposite |
| 21:29:37 | Slasheri | that sounds interesting :) |
| 21:29:41 | gotthardt | toffe try pm now |
| 21:29:58 | DraX | I've got tagcache reading mostly done |
| 21:30:10 | DraX | but i'm assuming big endian.. (it's big endian on my x5l |
| 21:30:20 | jackfusion | soryy about this but this seems the only way that I can get help on here. |
| 21:30:21 | jackfusion | is there a way to save files in the text editor? |
| 21:30:34 | Slasheri | DraX: btw, did you check the database pc code? (make database in tools-directory) |
| 21:30:50 | Slasheri | it already has some ported functionality of tagcache for pc |
| 21:30:56 | DraX | Slasheri: no i didn't, but i'm writing it in python |
| 21:31:03 | Slasheri | ah, ok :) |
| 21:31:03 | amiconn | gotthardt: This option will stick even across sessions, no need to set it on every logon |
| 21:31:03 | DraX | Slasheri: so i'm not sure that'd help much |
| 21:31:09 | pixelma | gotthardt: found it in http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070110.txt at 12:37... http://members.optusnet.com.au/jba-mono/bass_treble_fix_for_gigabeat.patch |
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| 21:31:22 | DraX | Slasheri: though it may help me for understanding how tagcache is implemented better |
| 21:31:30 | DraX | Slasheri: i've been having to read the tagcache code to figure it out |
| 21:31:39 | Llorean | Is there an svn changelog somewhere yet, or do I just need to do svn log -r and a range of dates? |
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| 21:32:14 | amiconn | pixelma, gotthardt_ That patch will work, but will mess up the settings block on gigabeats |
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| 21:32:57 | amiconn | Inserting or removing setting bits from the middle of the block will (obviously) shift all subsequent bits |
| 21:33:33 | amiconn | The solution is to bump the config block version when doing such changes. |
| 21:34:39 | amiconn | This will render the old settings invalid and hence reset them to defaults (unfortunately for all targets) |
| 21:35:08 | amiconn | There's a patch in the works to get rid of this binary settings block, but it's not yet ready for inclusion |
| 21:40:50 | Slasheri | DraX: nice |
| 21:41:41 | DraX | Slasheri: yeah i've not really been sure how to sync the two because i don't even know what's in one and not in the other |
| 21:41:51 | DraX | Slasheri: so I figured I could toss something together real quick to resolve the issue |
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| 21:43:50 | Slasheri | DraX :) checking tagcache.h should give you a quick overview what it's capable of doing and which tags are supported atm |
| 21:44:14 | gotthardt | thx pixelma - that should do it |
| 21:44:22 | DraX | Slasheri: yup |
| 21:44:43 | DraX | Slasheri: I'm just grabbing url, title, artist, album for each song |
| 21:45:02 | DraX | Slasheri: then calculating an md5 on the url, and checking if a song with the same artist, album, title is in medialib and if the md5sums match |
| 21:45:16 | DraX | Slasheri: and if it's not copying it over. |
| 21:45:50 | Slasheri | btw, what is the url? |
| 21:45:56 | DraX | Slasheri: the path |
| 21:46:01 | Slasheri | ah, ok |
| 21:46:02 | DraX | Slasheri: xmms2 just stores them as urls |
| 21:46:17 | DraX | Slasheri: since we have multiple transports (http, file, samba, etc) |
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| 21:46:33 | Slasheri | true, sounds good |
| 21:47:51 | Slasheri | do you think it could then sync for example playcount, score (in future) etc. automatically too? |
| 21:48:02 | DraX | Slasheri: easily |
| 21:48:08 | Slasheri | cool :) |
| 21:48:38 | DraX | Slasheri: especially rockbox -> xmms2 |
| 21:48:52 | DraX | xmms2 -> rockbox is a bit harder since i'd have to make my tagcache reader a writer too |
| 21:48:58 | Slasheri | it would be very nice if it could work for both ways |
| 21:49:03 | DraX | yeah |
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| 21:49:18 | DraX | I don't even have the soung accounting support enabled |
| 21:49:20 | DraX | I should. |
| 21:49:32 | Slasheri | for writing tagcache, i would suggest using the C-code directly |
| 21:49:59 | tucoz | the iphone do look cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk |
| 21:50:00 | DraX | maybe i'll toss together some bindings for it |
| 21:50:14 | Slasheri | or then modifies could be done through an ascii changelog too |
| 21:50:31 | DraX | Slasheri: i'd rather just do it all directly on the tagcache db |
| 21:50:55 | Slasheri | yeah, that would be better indeed if possible |
| 21:51:06 | DraX | i actually don't think a writer would be _too_ hard |
| 21:51:40 | jackfusion | can't some one just port to podwrite |
| 21:52:13 | Slasheri | it's just easier to use tagcache code for that because the commit sequence is not that simple. It needs to sort certain tags and reindex them in master index |
| 21:52:40 | DraX | yeah i know the index needs to be redone |
| 21:52:43 | DraX | since it's just offsets |
| 21:52:48 | Slasheri | yep |
| 21:52:49 | DraX | and if the length of the string changed it would mess up the offset |
| 21:53:31 | DraX | python actually had a really great module for doing this |
| 21:53:42 | DraX | struct, it can pack, and unpack structs and calculate their size |
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| 21:54:16 | Slasheri | hehe, i didn't though python would be that good at handling binary files ;) |
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| 21:58:03 | DraX | Slasheri: well i've tried to do binary file reading with python before without struct |
| 21:58:07 | DraX | Slasheri: and it's not so fun |
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| 21:59:58 | amiconn | A lot of manual screenshots for plugins are out of date... |
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| 22:03:38 | tucoz | amiconn: and a lot are missing (sansa and gigabeat especially) |
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| 22:03:49 | * | bluebrother already noticed that |
| 22:04:02 | bluebrother | (missing and outdated screenshots) |
| 22:04:23 | * | pixelma is aware of that, too |
| 22:04:27 | tucoz | wonder if the tilted screen is the new thing. the gigabeat, sansa, and also the iphone has that arrangement |
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| 22:04:53 | Alexinc | its the screen of the future |
| 22:05:36 | tucoz | but only for portable stuff it seems. widescreen is otherwise the thing for desktops/laptops and tv´s |
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| 22:06:10 | Llorean | Well, the tilted screen gives you widescreen for movies, plus a much better view of a list. |
| 22:06:15 | Alexinc | its too clunky for portable things |
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| 22:06:59 | tucoz | Llorean. indeed |
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| 22:10:23 | amiconn | eurgh |
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| 22:10:55 | amiconn | Most images in the svn www module are broken (missing binary flag), if not all... |
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| 22:11:53 | tucoz | didn´t rasher create a patch for the www module with updated stuff, and outdated stuff removed? |
| 22:12:05 | tucoz | like updated images |
| 22:12:07 | amiconn | Correction: the ones in the devcon dir are broken |
| 22:12:37 | amiconn | Hmm, some others as well |
| 22:15:08 | tucoz | no. i remembered wrong. the patch is only fixing the redirects (#5617) |
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| 22:16:09 | tucoz | it would be cool if we had a bot that echoed the title for the bug#, when we type these in here |
| 22:16:33 | tucoz | I´ve seen that the ubuntu dev´s have something like that |
| 22:16:34 | DraX | we have a bot that does that for #xmms2 |
| 22:16:39 | DraX | !summary <bug num> |
| 22:16:46 | DraX | and SkitIDet will say the bug summary |
| 22:17:38 | DraX | also announces pushes to the git repositories on exodus |
| 22:17:46 | DraX | and announces new/modified bugs |
| 22:17:52 | tucoz | i find that kind of bot very good. and you keep the devs more aware of the tracker tasks |
| 22:18:10 | DraX | it means i don't have to check git.xmms.se every day |
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| 22:18:38 | tucoz | we would want to keep the flooding to a minimum and restrictive, but a single echo wouldn´t hurt |
| 22:18:40 | Llorean | Most of the devs already subscribe to the patch-tracker emails |
| 22:18:42 | tucoz | (imho) |
| 22:18:42 | Mikachu | DraX: nice name for a bot :) |
| 22:18:57 | DraX | Mikachu: yeah i understand it's something slightly offensive in swedish :) |
| 22:19:16 | tucoz | hehe. now i saw it as well |
| 22:19:29 | DraX | yeah, i'm subscribed to ports-committers@freebsd.org (cvs logs for ports) |
| 22:19:30 | Mikachu | "don't give a shit" |
| 22:19:32 | DraX | i delete it without reading |
| 22:19:39 | Mikachu | you usually don't say that to people in english though |
| 22:19:40 | DraX | it's too much traffic |
| 22:19:53 | DraX | Mikachu: i say that to pepople all the time |
| 22:19:58 | tucoz | Llorean: I mean. i have a hard time keeping track of the patch tracker emails. it´s simply too active. |
| 22:20:10 | DraX | tucoz: exactly |
| 22:20:13 | Mikachu | DraX: as an imperative? not "_i_ don't give a shit" |
| 22:20:18 | Goofi | Llorean: I took your advice, opened a mp3 dedicated channel for mp3 players here. ;) |
| 22:20:20 | DraX | Mikachu: yeah |
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| 22:20:25 | Mikachu | i see |
| 22:20:33 | DraX | Mikachu: fairly common actually |
| 22:20:40 | Llorean | tucoz: How would patches being spammed to to here be any better than say, a "New tasks only" one for flyspray? |
| 22:20:51 | DraX | tucoz: same problem with ports-committers |
| 22:20:59 | Llorean | Goofi: So, a general hardware discussion kinda place? |
| 22:21:13 | tucoz | They won´t be spammed. but simply echoed when some wants to show the other devs a task |
| 22:21:17 | Goofi | Only about mp3 players |
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| 22:21:21 | Goofi | not hardware, or mp3 files. |
| 22:21:26 | Llorean | tucoz: Oh, didn't catch the echo. |
| 22:21:27 | tucoz | like. have you seen #blabla |
| 22:21:45 | DraX | i think you can even do !summary id |tell <person> :) |
| 22:21:48 | DraX | and it'll highlight them |
| 22:22:03 | tucoz | and the bot will show the title. to keep people aware of interesting tasks |
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| 22:22:10 | Llorean | Goofi: What's the channel name, so I can send people there when they have questions about MP3 player hardware rather than Rockbox? |
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| 22:22:45 | Goofi | #iaudiophiles |
| 22:23:02 | Llorean | So.... |
| 22:23:08 | Llorean | It's about *specific* MP3 players? |
| 22:23:20 | Goofi | no, for any mp3 players. |
| 22:23:23 | Llorean | Then why is "iaudio" in the name? |
| 22:23:30 | Goofi | it just #mp3players already registered |
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| 22:24:14 | Llorean | It seems a misleading name, is all |
| 22:24:14 | tucoz | see you later |
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| 22:24:50 | Goofi | could be.. |
| 22:25:21 | wolly-p | I am new here and just registered in the wiki to update information for the Samsung YH-920; could somebody give me write access? Thanks |
| 22:25:39 | wolly-p | wiki Username is WolfgangPapen |
| 22:25:42 | bagawk | wolly-p: sure, Give me a second |
| 22:26:35 | Goofi | but it might also be the home channel for iaudio forum i'm active in |
| 22:27:09 | bagawk | wolly-p: added |
| 22:27:33 | wolly-p | bagawk: thanks! |
| 22:28:43 | dan_a | hmph. Should an ASM optimised memcpy routine be bigger than the original C code? |
| 22:33:19 | petur | if it's faster, why not |
| 22:33:30 | Mikachu | if smaller was always faster, we wouldn't have -O3 and -Os |
| 22:34:36 | dan_a | I've nicked the memcpy that was submitted to libc a few months back - it adds 500 bytes to the core |
| 22:34:52 | dan_a | I'll test it and see how it performs |
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| 22:42:51 | * | dan_a cheers! |
| 22:43:09 | Llorean | Measurably better? |
| 22:43:15 | dan_a | I got boost < 100% when playing an mp3 on my 3G iPod |
| 22:43:32 | dan_a | That's the first time I've ever seen that. |
| 22:43:42 | Alonea | ok, on the build.rockbox.org page, how do we see whats in the new build, or is that not up yet? |
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| 22:45:34 | dan_a | Alonea: The SVN transition is still in progress. |
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| 22:45:54 | Alonea | k, anyone know what was in the changelog by chance then? |
| 22:46:56 | * | dan_a goes to get the optimised memmove |
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| 22:49:02 | preglow | dan_a: wow, memcpy is used that much? |
| 22:49:54 | dan_a | preglow: I got the impression it was pretty important |
| 22:51:23 | perl|work | Alonea |
| 22:51:24 | perl|work | hey |
| 22:51:37 | Llorean | Alonea: You can access the changelog with svn log and then give it a range. Try svn log −−help for more information. |
| 22:51:59 | preglow | dan_a: for some reason i didn't think it was used that much in performance critical spots |
| 22:52:07 | perl|work | just to let you know, theres a scroll option in text editor, you have to press POWER+left/right but you cant hold POWER for long for obvious reasons :P |
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| 22:52:39 | dan_a | preglow: Why would we bother doing asm optimised versions if it wasn't? |
| 22:52:41 | Goofi | Llorean: any idea for other name |
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| 22:54:21 | Llorean | Goofi: #portablemp3 ? |
| 22:54:41 | Goofi | hmm great |
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| 22:56:14 | Llorean | I think that one's better than mp3player anyway, since it says pretty clearly it's for the portable sort, not just the software ones or anything. |
| 22:57:06 | dan_a | I'll get a quick and dirty patch on the tracker, and other people can confirm if it's an improvement. There may be some bugs too - I'm not 100% sure yet |
| 22:57:24 | Goofi | yes |
| 22:59:06 | Alonea | Llorean: Ok, when I did the svn thing, it seemed it only put the new changes? So, I really only have to download the source code once, and when I go back, it will just put on the changes instead of recopying everything? Just making sure I am reading this correct |
| 22:59:25 | Alonea | Llorean: by svn thing I mean whats in the topic |
| 22:59:59 | Llorean | Alonea: Once you've downloaded it once, just go into the rockbox folder and to "svn update" to update it all to the newest version |
| 23:00 |
| 23:01:02 | Alonea | Llorean: and to "svn update" you do the thing thats in the topic? |
| 23:01:24 | Llorean | No, you type "svn update" without the "s |
| 23:01:46 | Llorean | You only need to do the think in the title the first time you get everything, or when you want a separate copy of everything |
| 23:02:29 | Alonea | oh ok, lemme try this out. gimmie a couple mins. I think I screwed up my copy of the source code |
| 23:02:51 | Alonea | nope. didnt screw it up. good. |
| 23:03:19 | Alonea | ok. I gotcha now. thanks Llorean |
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| 23:05:26 | Stalwart | svn is cool |
| 23:05:37 | Stalwart | Llorean: is svn commit rss feed available now? |
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| 23:05:58 | mofonyx | guys |
| 23:06:07 | mofonyx | my rockbox'd ipod photo is stuck |
| 23:06:21 | Stalwart | under bed? |
| 23:06:24 | mofonyx | tinkering around with plugins while playing music |
| 23:06:25 | mofonyx | now music is stuck |
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| 23:06:30 | Alonea | Ok, now I am compiling for the purpose of putting a patch on (the album art patch) do I need to reput that on, or does it stay? I dont think anything in the SVN has overwritten those files. |
| 23:06:35 | mofonyx | and ... the plugin is stuck as well |
| 23:06:40 | mofonyx | and i cant get it to reset |
| 23:06:42 | mofonyx | bah. |
| 23:06:46 | mofonyx | solutions? |
| 23:07:13 | Llorean | mofonyx: Hold Menu+Select |
| 23:07:32 | mofonyx | ah awesome :) |
| 23:07:32 | Llorean | Alonea: If you've already patched, an svn update will merge the changes in. |
| 23:07:33 | Phalangees | sorry I can't find this, what version of arm-elf-gcc is the minimum that I need to compile? |
| 23:07:46 | mofonyx | i rmb that in the manual.. ;) thx Llorean |
| 23:07:50 | Llorean | Phalangees: 4.0.1 I believe is the minimum recommended. |
| 23:08:03 | mofonyx | am i not supposed to run plugins while playing music? |
| 23:08:11 | Alonea | Llorean: I think I officially love svn... |
| 23:08:14 | Phalangees | Llorean: where can I grab that? I can't find it anywhere and the rockbox.sh script won't work |
| 23:08:36 | Llorean | Phalangees: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 23:08:44 | Phalangees | ok thanks |
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| 23:19:00 | pixelma | petur: I know it was a mere test but it seems like there is no commit message in your first svn commit. Just want to know if it was a TortoiseSVN problem too - or not :) |
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| 23:19:31 | petur | I'm not sure I typed something - let me check |
| 23:20:29 | petur | hmmm... the history is empty, maybe I forgot :( |
| 23:20:51 | petur | are there other tortoisesvn issues? |
| 23:21:09 | pixelma | I have no idea |
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| 23:23:27 | dan_a | Would any ipod/h10/Gigabeat users be good enough to test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6528 for me, and see if it improves performance at all |
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| 23:25:56 | Arathis | dan_a: Do you mean general performance or something especially? |
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| 23:26:44 | Llorean | Arathis: Boost ratio during playback would be the most obvious. |
| 23:27:03 | Arathis | Boost ratio? |
| 23:27:24 | dan_a | In info->debug->audio thread |
| 23:27:26 | Llorean | How often the CPU has to speed up to keep the buffer filled. |
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| 23:27:54 | Goofi | Llorean: Just found there already exist here |
| 23:28:04 | Goofi | a channel dedicated for it. |
| 23:28:24 | pixelma | errm... can the CPU boost/unboost on H10? |
| 23:28:52 | dan_a | pixelma: I thought it could, but maybe Barry disabled it again |
| 23:29:03 | Llorean | I believe it's disabled due to stability issues. |
| 23:29:18 | dan_a | So it is |
| 23:29:37 | DraX | http://rafb.net/p/g9no8A62.html |
| 23:29:38 | DraX | works! |
| 23:29:54 | DraX | read out of tagcache :) |
| 23:31:57 | DraX | http://rafb.net/p/vaPJLn78.html |
| 23:32:02 | DraX | is the code |
| 23:32:05 | DraX | i'll clean it up in a bit |
| 23:32:29 | Bagder | anyone has a pending commit? |
| 23:32:40 | Bagder | wants one made |
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| 23:35:48 | * | Bagder did one |
| 23:36:50 | * | LinusN notices that his machine starts a build |
| 23:36:56 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:37:01 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 23:37:41 | Nico_P | Llorean: about the svn history : instead of giving -r and a range of dates or revisions, you can add −−limit n |
| 23:37:57 | Nico_P | and -v will show the files concerned by each update |
| 23:37:57 | dan_a | I've never noticed how the builds become available one by one before |
| 23:38:12 | Bagder | they did before as well |
| 23:38:31 | dan_a | I just didn't look at the right time |
| 23:38:38 | preglow | fancy-ass |
| 23:38:53 | Nico_P | dan_a: where is it you are looking ? |
| 23:39:08 | dan_a | Nico_P: build.rockbox.org |
| 23:39:16 | Bagder | there are some quirks still, but at least it builds now |
| 23:39:26 | Bagder | on change I mean |
| 23:40:17 | Bagder | and zagor has viewvc running |
| 23:40:53 | Zagor | behold the beauty at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi |
| 23:41:13 | Zagor | needs a wash and rinse, but at least it's up |
| 23:42:42 | Nico_P | what's all that's under "branches/" ? |
| 23:43:03 | dan_a | It's looking good :D |
| 23:43:22 | Bagder | Nico_P: it is the common way to do branching using svn |
| 23:43:38 | Mikachu | you probably can't check that out on windows, rockbox and Rockbox :) |
| 23:43:38 | Bagder | svn doesn't do branches like cvs |
| 23:43:48 | Arathis | dan_a: 'patch -p0 < arm-asm-memcpy.diff'? |
| 23:43:53 | Mikachu | (not that you'd want to check out /branches/ anyway) |
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| 23:44:08 | dan_a | Arathis: either p0 or p1 |
| 23:44:08 | Nico_P | Bagder: i'm not really familiar with the concept :) |
| 23:44:34 | Nico_P | it's an alternative version ? |
| 23:44:44 | Bagder | they're all just dirs |
| 23:44:51 | Bagder | but we work on 'trunk' |
| 23:45:03 | Bagder | and we do "branches" or "tags" by copying trunk to another dir |
| 23:45:10 | bluebrother^ | Zagor, clicking a "diff to previous <number>" fails. |
| 23:45:51 | Zagor | bluebrother^: thanks, I'll look at that |
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| 23:46:36 | dan_a | Bagder: Are we planning to make use of the branches? Or carry on the way we did with CVS |
| 23:46:49 | Bagder | I think we can carry on like before |
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| 23:46:56 | Bagder | until we find a reason to change |
| 23:47:08 | bluebrother^ | btw, regarding this reorganisation-wiki-manual-website-everything mail: is it possible mod_rewrite-ing the twiki/bin/view/Main/<pagename> thing to say simply /wiki/<pagename>? |
| 23:47:19 | Bagder | it really should be |
| 23:47:31 | Bagder | and yes, that'd be nice ;-) |
| 23:47:51 | Mikachu | the tricky part is making the links point to /wiki/<pagename> |
| 23:47:56 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:47:58 | bluebrother^ | changing the links in the manual should be an easy run :D |
| 23:48:48 | Bagder | we need to poke on more server admins to convert to svn |
| 23:48:58 | Bagder | we're only 8 servers done atm |
| 23:49:20 | Bagder | the nice part is that the script detects the bad servers by itself |
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| 23:50:00 | pixelma | Zagor: I hope it's not only my fault - but "annotate" fails too |
| 23:50:09 | Mikachu | why do insects fly into ears, what do they expect to find? |
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| 23:52:53 | Zagor | pixelma: ok. the script is running in a chroot, so it requires a bit extra hand-holding to set up |
| 23:54:06 | Nico_P | Bagder: do the build servers have to recompile everything at each commit ? |
| 23:54:21 | Bagder | yes, unless ccache saves them from doing it |
| 23:54:48 | Nico_P | couldn't they try svn up to minimise what needs recompiling ? |
| 23:55:01 | Bagder | they do svn up |
| 23:55:13 | Bagder | and we want the full builds for test |
| 23:55:18 | Bagder | and we want the zips for download |
| 23:55:19 | Nico_P | ah, so they don't keep what they've compiled ? |
| 23:55:39 | Bagder | we want all commits to be able to build fully from scratch |
| 23:55:47 | Bagder | so we don't keep anything |
| 23:55:55 | Llorean | Nico_P: How exactly do I do what you described with −−limit? What's it an argument for? |
| 23:56:08 | Bagder | Llorean: "svn log −−limit 10" |
| 23:56:14 | Llorean | I just tried that |
| 23:56:15 | Bagder | to list the 10 last entries |
| 23:56:16 | Llorean | As in, exactly that. |
| 23:56:17 | Nico_P | i use svn log -v −−limit 5 |
| 23:56:31 | Llorean | Invalid option: −−limit |
| 23:56:55 | Bagder | what svn version? |
| 23:57:08 | Llorean | Wow, 1.1.4 |
| 23:57:26 | Bagder | caveman! |
| 23:57:45 | Llorean | I just apt-get installed it on the old vmware image. |
| 23:57:51 | Llorean | Which is of course, debian stable. |
| 23:58:01 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 23:58:27 | Llorean | Well at least my ancient technology didn't mess anything else up. |
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