| 00:00:23 | * | Llorean goes to get the new image, because he's lazy. |
| 00:01:04 | thegeek | hehe, debian stable can be enough to drive anyone crazy |
| 00:01:32 | Bagder | anyone feels like writing wiki if I rewrite UsingCVS to UsingSVN ? ;-) |
| 00:01:37 | Bagder | rename even |
| 00:02:15 | Zagor | now diff works |
| 00:02:27 | Zagor | and annotate too |
| 00:02:33 | Llorean | I'll be celebratory this weekend, but if nobody's gotten to it by Monday I'll convert it as best I can. |
| 00:02:35 | Bagder | goodie |
| 00:03:01 | Bagder | I'll rename it now to start with |
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| 00:03:16 | Lars_G | what's the svn data please? the -d |
| 00:03:39 | Bagder | the -d? |
| 00:03:52 | Lars_G | Bagder: the full svn uri |
| 00:04:06 | Bagder | seen topic? |
| 00:04:16 | * | Lars_G facepalms |
| 00:04:20 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:04:51 | Lars_G | I'm going to compile my first 5G :D |
| 00:05:11 | Lars_G | for my dad |
| 00:05:17 | Lars_G | I got my dad into rockbox |
| 00:05:51 | Bagder | go dad! |
| 00:06:03 | Lars_G | Yeah |
| 00:06:26 | Lars_G | gah |
| 00:06:35 | Lars_G | Bagder: do you have magical powers? |
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| 00:07:07 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 00:07:45 | Bagder | _and_ I'm a dad |
| 00:08:02 | Lars_G | Bagder: Great. can you make a meatloaf magically appear here? |
| 00:08:16 | muesli__ | Bagder pls dont! |
| 00:08:21 | Lars_G | i want meatloaf, but nobody in my country makes it, I'd have to cook my own, or seek a family to make one. |
| 00:08:22 | muesli__ | i just ate! |
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| 00:09:09 | muesli__ | meatloaf belongs close to its name..boiling his eggs in a bowl |
| 00:09:13 | * | dan_a goes out to get pizza |
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| 00:09:38 | muesli__ | eggs=bas |
| 00:09:43 | muesli__ | balls |
| 00:10:26 | Febs | Is there a new VMware image with SVN? |
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| 00:10:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:10:45 | Bagder | debian-3.7z |
| 00:10:53 | Phalangees | after I run rockboxdev.sh what do I do? the wiki crossCompiler page doesn't really say |
| 00:11:10 | Lars_G | vmware image? a rockbox vmware image? |
| 00:11:12 | Soap | Llorean: "So, you were planning on recording by lying the microphone next to the iPod, and wishing very, very hard?" |
| 00:11:21 | Bagder | Phalangees: you update your PATH to point to the dir with the new toolset |
| 00:11:31 | Phalangees | ok thanks badger |
| 00:11:31 | Mikachu | Bagder: does curl do segmented downloads or did you restart it 2 times? |
| 00:11:33 | Bagder | Phalangees: then proceed to building rockbox |
| 00:11:39 | Phalangees | ok |
| 00:11:42 | * | Mikachu peruses apache log |
| 00:11:42 | Phalangees | thanks much |
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| 00:12:05 | Bagder | curl downloads everything in one connection (only) |
| 00:12:16 | Bagder | I did a HEAD first iirc |
| 00:12:30 | Mikachu | ah yes |
| 00:12:53 | Llorean | Soap: Well, he seemed very upset that the solution offered him was by way of the dock connector. I was curious if he wanted to try osmosis. |
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| 00:13:19 | Soap | oh no. I wasn't questioning your response. I was loving your response. |
| 00:13:31 | Llorean | Febs: And the new VMWare image is definitely preferable to just apt-get install subversion on the old one |
| 00:14:06 | Febs | I'm downloading the image now. |
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| 00:15:52 | Zagor | is there any reason to keep the old one? |
| 00:16:04 | debauched_sloth | I've been offline, by and large, for a few days and am wondering if automated builds with SVN are going again? I have a largish commit and am worried about breaking other targets |
| 00:16:19 | Bagder | Zagor: I kept it just to be sure that the new one is a fine replacement |
| 00:16:30 | Mikachu | (i didn't) |
| 00:16:48 | Bagder | debauched_sloth: just starting to work again here => http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 00:17:08 | debauched_sloth | cool, thanks Bagder! |
| 00:17:15 | debauched_sloth | was just looking through logs |
| 00:18:10 | Llorean | debauched_sloth: You should at least test several other build targets though. |
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| 00:18:22 | debauched_sloth | I will |
| 00:18:55 | debauched_sloth | still hard to test them all - and, FWIW, I am almost entirely within my target tree |
| 00:18:56 | Mikachu | what's the point of having a build system if you have to try it yourself first? :) |
| 00:21:28 | Lars_G | meh I have to make a separate dir for the bootloader |
| 00:21:57 | Febs | Llorean: feel free to unlock this thread if you want, but I see it going nowhere but down: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8116.0 |
| 00:23:19 | perldiver | debauched_sloth |
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| 00:23:21 | perldiver | hey |
| 00:23:27 | perldiver | how was the trip |
| 00:23:39 | bagawk | Bagder: do you guys have a websvn setup? |
| 00:23:50 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:23:55 | Bagder | or rather viewvc |
| 00:24:03 | Bagder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi |
| 00:24:14 | bagawk | oui |
| 00:24:29 | Llorean | Febs: No, locked is definitely very good. |
| 00:25:15 | * | Zagor makes a nice index.cgi symlink |
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| 00:31:34 | Alonea | hey debauched_sloth. trip went well? |
| 00:32:06 | Febs | Llorean: I've just removed drumthrashers posting privileges for 1 week. |
| 00:33:04 | perldiver | i wonder why people in sansa thread are so angry |
| 00:33:36 | Bagder | and now front page fanciness |
| 00:33:46 | * | Mikachu does the fancy dance |
| 00:33:54 | debauched_sloth | Alonea: still on trip. Actually on the Florida turnpike |
| 00:33:59 | Llorean | Febs: Alright |
| 00:34:03 | Mikachu | Bagder: is that script about 10 times shorter than the cvs one? |
| 00:34:14 | bagawk | Bagder: one error, people using macintosh without a case-sensitive FS will get this when doing a full co svn: Failed to add directory 'rockbox/branches/rockbox': object of the same name already exists |
| 00:34:17 | Llorean | Febs: I have an IM, I suspect it's from him. |
| 00:34:18 | Bagder | about 10, yes ;-) |
| 00:34:21 | Llorean | er PM. |
| 00:34:36 | Bagder | bagawk: yes, and that'll teach them not to checkout that dir ;-) |
| 00:34:40 | debauched_sloth | Nice frontpage! |
| 00:34:51 | Llorean | bagawk: I suspect Cygwin users will suffer that fate as well |
| 00:35:15 | Mikachu | cvs2cl.pl is a long perl script but svn2cl just has a short xslt transform :) |
| 00:35:31 | Bagder | I wrote my own ;-) |
| 00:35:37 | hen3rz | forums down? |
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| 00:36:17 | hen3rz | wait there back |
| 00:36:19 | debauched_sloth | hen3rz: they look OK to me |
| 00:36:59 | Mikachu | hen3rz: i had to read that sentence three times to understand you meant "wait, they're back" |
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| 00:37:34 | Alonea | debauched_sloth: nice. used to live in miami a long time ago. have a good time dear. |
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| 00:38:11 | Bagder | should I put the diff link on the rev number instead? |
| 00:38:20 | Bagder | ah, no |
| 00:38:27 | Bagder | since it can be many files |
| 00:38:32 | Lars_G | What was the confortable patcher? ipodpatcher or fwpatcher? |
| 00:38:53 | Zagor | Bagder: i think adding brackets around "diff" will make it easier to see |
| 00:39:46 | * | Bagder tries |
| 00:39:51 | Lars_G | ipodpatcher |
| 00:39:52 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 00:40:41 | Zagor | Bagder: brackets outside the <a>, imho |
| 00:41:07 | Stalwart | doesn't rockbox work with storage using dma? |
| 00:41:08 | Bagder | ah better |
| 00:41:31 | Stalwart | i see only pio stuff in source |
| 00:41:33 | Mikachu | maybe you could s,/trunk/,,g too? |
| 00:41:50 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:41:51 | debauched_sloth | Stalwart: the gigabeat does DMA for some reads |
| 00:41:51 | DraX | http://rafb.net/p/KSRUuw72.html there we go, pretty ok class for reading tagcache |
| 00:42:05 | debauched_sloth | a weird sort of DMA - I'm looking at using the controller to do DMA now |
| 00:42:38 | Stalwart | hey DraX, how's xmms2 going? :D |
| 00:42:50 | DraX | Stalwart: we finally merged collections |
| 00:43:02 | DraX | and i'm workong on a rockbox syncer now |
| 00:43:12 | Stalwart | did you change rss urls? i didn't see anything from you for a long time |
| 00:43:28 | DraX | Stalwart: I haven't committed much lately |
| 00:43:47 | DraX | Stalwart: been working on objc bindings and sexy rockbox integration though |
| 00:44:00 | Bagder | is the initial slash in the file name good or bad? |
| 00:44:12 | dan_a | Bad |
| 00:44:15 | Zagor | Bagder: bad |
| 00:44:24 | * | Llorean likes it... |
| 00:44:28 | debauched_sloth | Bagder: I prefer w/o the slash |
| 00:44:53 | Bagder | its gone |
| 00:45:26 | DraX | Stalwart: a few of us that use rockbox are talking about having a client that can sync music, sync playcount, and also just do add/remove from rockbox as well |
| 00:45:37 | DraX | Stalwart: so that it could be integrated into an xmms2 client ala ipod in itunes |
| 00:45:50 | dan_a | Bagder: Definitely better without |
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| 00:47:11 | Bagder | anything that makes the file names shorter ;-) |
| 00:47:55 | dan_a | Except extension hiding... |
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| 00:48:35 | Stalwart | DraX: that's cool, but i prefer coreutils =] |
| 00:48:42 | Zagor | Bagder: maybe the filenames could even get a slightly smaller font |
| 00:48:47 | Stalwart | music player must play music |
| 00:48:55 | DraX | Stalwart: coreutils? |
| 00:49:02 | Bagder | yes, any css class hidden in there we can use? |
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| 00:49:19 | DraX | Stalwart: *shrug* that's the nice thing about xmms2, only use clients for what you need or want |
| 00:50:17 | Stalwart | DraX: coreutils are cp, mv and rm =] |
| 00:50:27 | DraX | Stalwart: oh you mean src/bin? :P |
| 00:50:32 | Zagor | Bagder: no, not yet. |
| 00:50:42 | Stalwart | ok, let's talk at #xmms2, it's offtopic here |
| 00:50:52 | Zagor | I'll make a "filename" we can play around with |
| 00:53:43 | * | bluebrother^ just notices the updated front page |
| 00:54:30 | bluebrother^ | why not putting the [diff] always in the second line? Looks a bit weird with only on some lines |
| 00:54:47 | pixelma | only a little quirk - the line can break between the filename and the [diff] link - looks a bit odd on my monitor |
| 00:54:49 | Bagder | because I don't want two lines per file if I can help it |
| 00:55:11 | Bagder | you think forcing them on the same line is better? |
| 00:55:22 | Mikachu | that would force the changelog message offscreen |
| 00:55:26 | Zagor | I rather want the filename to break at / too |
| 00:55:35 | Zagor | opera does that by default |
| 00:55:46 | bluebrother^ | firefox doesn't seem to do this |
| 00:55:53 | Zagor | gives better priority to the log message |
| 00:56:00 | Zagor | i wonder if css can alter that |
| 00:56:05 | Mikachu | would it look strange with the log message to the left of the files? |
| 00:56:14 | pixelma | I'd prefer having it on one line because you can see at first glance how many files there are and which ones |
| 00:56:20 | Bagder | Mikachu: I'll run a test |
| 00:56:56 | Bagder | how's this? |
| 00:56:58 | bluebrother^ | I looked at css for line breaks quite some time ago. Back to then it didn't work reliably across browsers |
| 00:57:18 | Arathis | dan_a: I tried your Patch, but I don't see or feel any difference. First I thought pcmbufdesc would be half of what it was before, but than it raised after a while. cpu freq and boost ratio don't differ at all. I tested stop, pause and play mode and checked the info screen. |
| 00:57:26 | Bagder | I think I prefer files to the left of the message |
| 00:57:34 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 00:57:39 | Mikachu | the blue breaks up the black nicely :) |
| 00:57:47 | bluebrother^ | we need to rotate that table :-P |
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| 00:58:03 | Arathis | dan_a: "codec" has "/28852660" instead of "/28846036" as before bt |
| 00:58:04 | Arathis | +w |
| 00:58:08 | dan_a | Arathis: Thanks. |
| 00:58:55 | pixelma | I think having the files to the left looks better |
| 00:59:04 | Arathis | dan_a: no problem |
| 00:59:42 | Arathis | dan_a: I took pictures of the debug screen to compare. If you need them .. |
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| 01:00:39 | pixelma | Bagder: if I remember correctly the lines didn't break before (in Firefox) |
| 01:00:46 | dan_a | Arathis: I don't think that's necessary. If there's no change in the boost ratio, then it doesn't seem to make much difference. Hopefully a few other people will test so we can be sure. |
| 01:01:32 | bluebrother^ | hmm. Do we need the revision column? |
| 01:01:40 | Arathis | dan_a: Any testers on the non-H10 devices yet? |
| 01:01:48 | bluebrother^ | that number will get incremented on every commit anyway. |
| 01:02:03 | Bagder | bluebrother^: I think it makes sense with svn, since that is the number you can use to get that exact state of the repo |
| 01:02:33 | Nico_P | Bagder: want some help in updating the wiki pages about CVS ? |
| 01:02:33 | dan_a | Arathis: None apart from me on my 3G iPod. None of the other DAPs I've got here will play audio with Rockbox. |
| 01:02:42 | bluebrother^ | yes, but it needs room :o |
| 01:02:45 | Bagder | Nico_P: yes please |
| 01:02:58 | scubacoles | Can someone please grant me Wiki write permission? |
| 01:03:17 | dan_a | I'm in favour of keeping the revision number |
| 01:03:19 | Zagor | Bagder: on the other hand it's very technical information, that you can get by clicking the filename. that column space could be better used for informative content imo |
| 01:03:20 | bluebrother^ | scubacoles, sure. What's your wiki name? |
| 01:03:27 | Arathis | dan_a: Too bad you only got broken H10s from ebay :-/ |
| 01:03:28 | Bagder | pixelma: you're right, we had them 'nowrap' |
| 01:03:29 | scubacoles | StephenColes |
| 01:03:54 | Bagder | but then I better have the date on the very left, shouldn't I? |
| 01:04:08 | Bagder | we did before |
| 01:04:10 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
| 01:04:22 | dan_a | Arathis: When I get a torx screwdriver, I should be able to make a working H10 from parts I've got lying around |
| 01:04:40 | * | Arathis wonders about the new rockbox.org layout and seeing SVN instead of CVS ... |
| 01:04:46 | pixelma | maybe the revision number could be on the "headline" (i.e. revision x to y) ? |
| 01:04:52 | Zagor | Bagder: bonus feature: only display time for commits done today |
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| 01:05:26 | bluebrother^ | scubacoles, done |
| 01:05:45 | Mikachu | you could put the rev first in what, like "[11988] modernized" |
| 01:05:49 | Zagor | Bagder: or even, only HH:MM for todays commits, only YYYY-MM-DD for older ones |
| 01:06:08 | scorche | are there no more revisions for specific files? |
| 01:06:12 | bluebrother^ | headline "current revision is #"? |
| 01:06:15 | Zagor | scorche: no |
| 01:06:22 | Mikachu | scorche: all files in the same commit have the same rev number |
| 01:06:39 | scorche | ah...alright |
| 01:06:56 | Arathis | btw: http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html still lists latest CVS updates |
| 01:07:06 | debauched_sloth | I was wondering if the revision number was adding much value to that table... |
| 01:07:13 | Bagder | Arathis: those are not fixed yet |
| 01:07:23 | Arathis | k |
| 01:07:29 | Zagor | debauched_sloth: reload :) |
| 01:07:39 | debauched_sloth | ah! nice! |
| 01:07:45 | * | Bagder tries with the rev num in the desc field, but I think we can just hide it |
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| 01:08:03 | Lars_G | Bagder: Is this topic in a private forum? |
| 01:08:04 | dan_a | If we could make the heading "when (GMT)" take up less space, then that whole column will get narrower |
| 01:08:05 | Lars_G | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0 |
| 01:08:06 | Zagor | yeah, I don't think it's of much use day-to-day anyway |
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| 01:08:23 | debauched_sloth | I like hide it, for most folks, it's just an incrementing number |
| 01:08:31 | Mikachu | i always click the diff link of the topmost one so i see what's new since i checked last |
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| 01:08:49 | Mikachu | if you look in the "last four weeks" log |
| 01:08:59 | Lars_G | Sorry to leech off Bagder, any cloak-wearer can tell me if the post exists and is on a privy board |
| 01:09:06 | bluebrother^ | use the Z (for zulu time) beside timestamps instead of the (GMT) in the header? |
| 01:09:15 | Zagor | Lars_G: it's on the forum trashcan |
| 01:09:16 | Mikachu | and you see "break all compilations" and you want to revert to before that, it's a lot easier to type svn up -r <number from []> than having to dig it up from somewhere |
| 01:09:21 | scubacoles | bluebrother^: Thanks |
| 01:09:26 | Lars_G | Zagor: Thanks |
| 01:09:36 | Mikachu | but on the frontpage i guess it's less useful |
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| 01:09:42 | Lars_G | it's linked to, from one of the themes in the gallery |
| 01:09:48 | Lars_G | should I remove the link? |
| 01:10:01 | Mikachu | i guess you could just click the filename link though :) |
| 01:10:11 | Bagder | I can use the rev num instead of "diff", like I did before for cvs |
| 01:10:26 | * | Lars_G is listening to: Kelly Marie - Feels Like I'm In Love |
| 01:10:27 | Zagor | Lars_G: yes, unless there's another thread that is relevant |
| 01:10:27 | bluebrother^ | use the revision number as title tag for the timestamp / description? |
| 01:10:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:01 | Alonea | is there any way for the time to show up in time zone you are in? But that might be too much trouble.. At least I know how to convert in my head |
| 01:11:02 | Mikachu | clicking a revision number and getting a diff is confusing, i'd expect the file at that revision |
| 01:11:10 | Bagder | true |
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| 01:11:23 | Bagder | and the rev is wider than 'diff' ;-) |
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| 01:12:47 | * | Zagor goes to bed |
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| 01:13:04 | pixelma | nowrap is certainly clearer... ok... to me :) |
| 01:13:26 | * | Lars_G is listening to: Huey Lewis And The News - Stuck With You |
| 01:13:40 | Bagder | I'll leave it like this for now |
| 01:13:52 | Redbreva | should [diff] be same style as filename? |
| 01:13:56 | Lars_G | Meh got not no access |
| 01:14:01 | bluebrother^ | it's nice that way. |
| 01:14:04 | Bagder | Redbreva: a yes |
| 01:14:05 | Lars_G | uh oh, sorry about the auto-listening message |
| 01:14:17 | Lars_G | can't edit the wiki |
| 01:14:31 | bluebrother^ | btw, the [diff] could be like grey color or something ;-) |
| 01:14:57 | Mikachu | i would prefer if links were standard color |
| 01:15:12 | Mikachu | as long as you don't make visited links same as unvisited links i'm happy though |
| 01:15:59 | bluebrother^ | I wasn't too serious about that ... but the black brackets are a bit distracting imo |
| 01:16:18 | * | Bagder ducks and goes to sleep |
| 01:16:19 | bluebrother^ | anyway, I'll get used to it :) |
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| 01:16:36 | * | bluebrother^ should have left for sleep some time ago |
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| 01:24:05 | kkurbjun | Bagder, don't know if PM's are working, but are you around? |
| 01:24:25 | Mikachu | he just went to bed |
| 01:25:13 | kkurbjun | ahh, oh well, just have to wait |
| 01:26:57 | hen3rz | lol its morning here in brisbane, australia |
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| 01:38:28 | BiptoN | has anyone had an issue with the rockbox bootloader on an ipod, rebooting 3-4 times before it actually loads rockbox? |
| 01:43:15 | Soap | which ipod? No problems with my 5th gen 60GB. |
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| 01:50:21 | dan_a | Bagder/Zagor (for when you read the logs): Would it be possible to have the revision number show as a kind of tooltip on the changelog table? That way it's there for the people who want to see it, but not getting in the way for those who don't. |
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| 01:51:08 | Lunais | hello. |
| 01:52:34 | Lunais | It looks like the step missing for what you're supposed to substitue in for [device] in linux when setting up rockboc for ipod video |
| 01:52:54 | Lunais | im guessing this is intentional, sinc eit varies, but could anyone help me? im running Fedora Core 6 |
| 01:53:12 | | Part aly76 |
| 01:53:12 | Lunais | and yes, i can see and edit my ipod, its on my desktop, i just dont know the address |
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| 01:54:04 | Lunais | so yeah, if anyone has any ideas i'd greatly appreciate it |
| 01:55:57 | Lunais | or everyone is idle. awesome |
| 01:56:04 | Mikachu | if you type "mount" you should get a list of all devices |
| 01:56:07 | Mikachu | that are currently mounted |
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| 01:56:23 | Lunais | yeah, i remember doing that, forgot it was just mount |
| 01:56:24 | Lunais | 1 sec |
| 01:57:03 | Lunais | llets see if i can do this noww |
| 01:57:19 | Lunais | thank you, mikachu |
| 01:57:31 | Mikachu | no problem |
| 01:58:47 | Lunais | maybe they should put that in the manual, but i suppose its not necissary |
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| 01:59:52 | Mikachu | hooray star trek nicks |
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| 02:00:20 | Lunais | drive is not an ipod.... |
| 02:00:43 | Mikachu | you may not want the trailing number on the device |
| 02:01:01 | Lunais | hmm, would i see that with mount? |
| 02:01:06 | Lunais | whoops |
| 02:01:08 | Lunais | misread |
| 02:01:13 | Lunais | small text,. lol |
| 02:01:18 | Mikachu | BETTER? :) |
| 02:01:35 | Lunais | im using alittle pixel font because i think it looks neat |
| 02:01:46 | Lunais | and in that i sacrifice visibility |
| 02:02:03 | noonian | is there any size limitation on the hdd the old archos recorder v1 could take? would a 200gb or larger hdd be supported? |
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| 02:02:30 | Lunais | well, dont i want to use the /dev/sdc2, i mean how else can i identify it? |
| 02:02:54 | hcs | try /dev/sdc |
| 02:03:00 | hcs | you want the whole device, not just a partition |
| 02:03:03 | Lunais | allright |
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| 02:03:10 | Mikachu | the 2 would be a trailing number in that case |
| 02:03:27 | Lunais | ah. sorry, im a bit new to linux, always willing to learn though |
| 02:03:46 | pixelma | noonian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BigDisk |
| 02:04:03 | Lunais | yeah. thanks a lot, it worked :D |
| 02:04:57 | noonian | pixelma: thanks |
| 02:05:33 | pixelma | you're welcome :) |
| 02:06:18 | Lunais | gnarly, it works :D |
| 02:06:54 | Lunais | its funny, i never hear rockbox getting mentioned, always ipodlinux... |
| 02:07:07 | Lunais | though its obviously much better |
| 02:07:13 | Lunais | 5g support alone |
| 02:10:26 | Lunais | hmm, so now the the .rockbox folder is gone, how do i add/modyfy plugins? |
| 02:14:00 | BiptoN | it's a hidden folder |
| 02:14:20 | Lunais | ha. i figured |
| 02:14:37 | Lunais | so to see it, what do i just type in the location? |
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| 02:15:16 | Lunais | nope there it is. thanks |
| 02:15:23 | Lunais | im an idiot -_- |
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| 02:16:28 | Lunais | allright. thanks for all your help everyone. I've got to go |
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| 02:52:10 | bonbonthejon | what is the most recent version of the ipod g4 bootloader |
| 02:52:31 | Mouser_X | So, again, rather than read the logs (there's lots of them...), is there anything special, new, and/or exciting going on with Rockbox? |
| 02:52:52 | Mouser_X | Since I'm getting a Gigabeat, anything relating to that would be of interest. |
| 02:53:51 | scubacoles | Mouser_X: I think everything is in pause at the moment while the switchover to SVN is happening |
| 02:54:05 | sneakums | the snazzy new "usb connected" icon is nice |
| 02:54:31 | Mouser_X | I kind of figured that might be the case. Thanks for the info though. |
| 02:55:06 | Mouser_X | In all honesty, I prefer to read the logs, but it's just so time consuming, that I've realized my time is better spent elsewhere/doing other things. |
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| 03:40:58 | combrains | has anyone else encountered a bug in the button led settings on the gb whereby the LCD shuts off? |
| 03:42:00 | combrains | I can't reproduce the bug accurately |
| 03:42:12 | hcs | is there no longer a rockbox-devel? |
| 03:43:08 | Mouser_X | The devs for the TGB are either away, moving, or on vacation. |
| 03:43:08 | combrains | but it tends to happen if i start scrolling through the settings after powering on |
| 03:43:19 | Mouser_X | Either that, or they're just getting back from the above stuff. |
| 03:43:26 | combrains | hehe |
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| 03:44:39 | Mouser_X | Markun = moved. He's setting himself up right now. Sloth = vacation. I think he recently got back. Goffa = around, but I don't recall what he's been working on. |
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| 03:44:58 | combrains | oh well, hopefully gotthardt will squash the bug before the button LED code makes its way into the mainline |
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| 03:45:15 | webguest64 | i need help whos there |
| 03:45:24 | * | Mouser_X is here |
| 03:45:24 | combrains | fire away |
| 03:45:40 | webguest64 | how to put rockbox on ipod |
| 03:45:53 | Mouser_X | Have you read the manual? |
| 03:46:00 | webguest64 | ye |
| 03:46:02 | webguest64 | s |
| 03:46:04 | Mouser_X | It explains it in there quite well, actually. |
| 03:46:22 | webguest64 | when i load it to my pod it starts up but says no partition found |
| 03:47:13 | Mouser_X | What format is your iPod in? It needs to be FAT32. |
| 03:47:21 | webguest64 | k how do u do that |
| 03:47:32 | webguest64 | how do u tell what format |
| 03:47:33 | hcs | is it windows or mac formatted? |
| 03:47:35 | Mouser_X | It tells you in the manual. |
| 03:47:47 | webguest64 | windows |
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| 03:48:18 | * | Mouser_X hasn't read the manual. He just knows that it definatly says these things in there, since many others have been quoting from it in here. |
| 03:48:39 | hcs | windows formatted ipods will be fat32 |
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| 03:49:12 | webguest64 | i have read the manual |
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| 03:49:58 | webguest64 | when i load my ipod into ipw where its located should it say something like mac formatted? |
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| 03:51:57 | Mouser_X | If you connect the iPod to your PC through the USB port, and you're on a Windows machine, then Windows will "complain" that it's not formated properly, if it's not FAT32. |
| 03:52:23 | Mouser_X | In other words, you won't be able to access the iPod in Windows, unless it's formatted properly. |
| 03:52:31 | Mouser_X | What iPod do you have? |
| 03:52:36 | Mouser_X | Is it the 80 GB iPod? |
| 03:54:07 | webguest64 | 30 |
| 03:54:38 | Mouser_X | Can you paste the link of the installation page you're using? |
| 03:54:53 | webguest64 | hold up |
| 03:55:33 | Mouser_X | (There's been some changes somewhat recently, so I want to know what it is you're doing...) |
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| 04:01:30 | webguest64 | i went off a couple things mostly this one http://www.thejosher.net/2006/02/25/how-to-install-rockbox-on-your-ipod |
| 04:02:01 | webguest64 | and off the rockbox site |
| 04:02:03 | hcs | that is very much out of date |
| 04:02:13 | Mouser_X | Can you link the one on Rockbox? |
| 04:02:14 | webguest64 | see need help |
| 04:02:19 | Mouser_X | That's the one you need to be using. |
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| 04:03:03 | Mouser_X | Is it the 30 GB video, or the 30 GB photo? |
| 04:03:10 | webguest64 | video |
| 04:03:24 | webguest64 | tell me what files i need |
| 04:03:28 | webguest64 | and i will tell u if i have it |
| 04:04:12 | webguest64 | i downloaded rockbox ipodvideo off rockbox |
| 04:04:27 | webguest64 | found the install.bat |
| 04:04:44 | Mouser_X | This is the page you should be reading: |
| 04:04:44 | Mouser_X | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 04:05:08 | Mouser_X | (In case you're elsewhere. That linked page is the current, and correct, method to follow) |
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| 04:08:46 | webguest64 | how do u run ipodpatcher |
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| 04:08:51 | webguest64 | through dos? |
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| 04:09:13 | dewdude_ | webguest64, which in xp is known as command prompt. |
| 04:09:18 | Mouser_X | Through a command prompt. |
| 04:09:47 | Mouser_X | As dewdude_ said, it's basically XP's version of DOS. |
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| 04:10:22 | webguest64 | gotcha |
| 04:10:34 | webguest64 | then all i type is ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 04:10:58 | dewdude | assuming you're in the directory where ipodpatcher is |
| 04:11:03 | Mouser_X | There's a little more to it than that, but yes, that's a start. |
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| 04:12:54 | webguest64 | k found it |
| 04:14:00 | webguest64 | v.5 5th generation |
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| 04:14:48 | webguest64 | now once u find it u open itunes? |
| 04:14:54 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 04:14:59 | Mouser_X | Read the instructions. |
| 04:15:00 | dewdude | are you even reading the directions. |
| 04:15:02 | Mouser_X | That I linked. |
| 04:15:04 | webguest64 | yes |
| 04:15:05 | webguest64 | lol |
| 04:15:10 | dewdude | it doesn't seem like you are. |
| 04:15:12 | Mouser_X | What does #7 say? |
| 04:15:12 | Jerry | hello i have a quick qestion. to unflash my iriver all i have to do is replace the bootloader file? |
| 04:15:30 | webguest64 | i am |
| 04:15:34 | webguest64 | i am on 6 |
| 04:15:40 | dewdude | well, no where in the directions does it mention itunes. |
| 04:15:42 | webguest64 | doesnt make sense to me |
| 04:15:45 | Mouser_X | 6 is for MACs only. |
| 04:15:46 | webguest64 | yes it does |
| 04:15:51 | webguest64 | ok |
| 04:15:57 | dewdude | not the directions i read. |
| 04:16:05 | webguest64 | so i do 7? |
| 04:16:05 | Mouser_X | The only thing it says about iTunes is that you should have it off, at all times. |
| 04:16:13 | Mouser_X | Don't use iTunes, at all. |
| 04:16:19 | Mouser_X | If iTunes starts up, close it. |
| 04:16:21 | dewdude | Mouser_X, i thought if you were running rockbox, that was a given. |
| 04:16:24 | Mouser_X | That's all the instructions say about it |
| 04:16:28 | Mouser_X | *iTunes |
| 04:16:35 | webguest64 | so i do 7? |
| 04:16:40 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 04:16:54 | dewdude | Mouser_X, i went a step further. I uninstalled it. |
| 04:17:01 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 04:17:06 | Mouser_X | I don't have an iPod. |
| 04:17:10 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 04:17:33 | dewdude | this is just my first acquisition. i intend to buy other portables |
| 04:17:41 | * | Mouser_X finds this interesting, that he has no iPod, and is yet walking someone through the installation of Rockbox on the thing... |
| 04:17:56 | Jerry | anybody have info on rockbox being flashied on the iriver? |
| 04:18:16 | dewdude | Jerry: did you check the wiki? |
| 04:18:18 | Mouser_X | Jerry: All I can do is to redirect you to the manual. |
| 04:18:31 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 04:18:31 | Jerry | yes but i dont understand it fully |
| 04:18:41 | webguest64 | in 7 what file do i need to have in the folder im in |
| 04:18:51 | Jerry | already ahead of you mouser x |
| 04:19:03 | Mouser_X | K, sorry I couldn't be of more help. |
| 04:19:18 | dewdude | yes, same here. i don't have an iriver. |
| 04:20:15 | webguest64 | hey mouser in step 7 what do i replace device with? |
| 04:20:25 | Jerry | i dont really understand the technical terms |
| 04:20:37 | Mouser_X | webguest64: "eplacing [device] with the number (for Windows users)" |
| 04:20:46 | webguest64 | yes |
| 04:20:49 | Mouser_X | Remember the number you got from step 5? |
| 04:20:50 | webguest64 | explain more please |
| 04:20:58 | webguest64 | .5? |
| 04:21:18 | webguest64 | or disk device 1 |
| 04:21:19 | Mouser_X | In the command prompt, type "ipodpatcher .5 -r bootpartition.bin" |
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| 04:21:48 | Mouser_X | Then, try "ipodpatcher disc device 1 -r bootpartition.bin" |
| 04:22:04 | Jerry | To restore the flash contents of the firmware section (bootloader will be always kept untouched, however we need to re-flash the critical reset vector sector), open the file from either one of the previously mentioned methods by iriver_flash and the contents of the original firmware section will be restored from the file. |
| 04:22:06 | Mouser_X | (take note, the " should not be entered into the command prompt.) |
| 04:22:14 | webguest64 | do i need to put [] |
| 04:22:18 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 04:22:20 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:22:26 | Mouser_X | That's to tell you that it's a place holder. |
| 04:22:48 | Mouser_X | It's like saying "Password: [password]" |
| 04:23:07 | webguest64 | k it did something |
| 04:23:31 | dewdude | well...what did it do? |
| 04:23:56 | Mouser_X | According to the instructions, it should have created a file on your PC. |
| 04:24:10 | webguest64 | just says some actions |
| 04:24:20 | webguest64 | assigned something to my ipod |
| 04:24:49 | Roan | Hi I've just finished my first WPS theme and would like to add it to the WPS gallery page for the iPod Nano. I've registered as RoanHorning on the TWiki. Per the instructions page, could someone here add write permissions to my account, or let me know who and how I should contact someone to do this? |
| 04:24:51 | Mouser_X | Check the folder you're in (the installation folder, where ipodpatcher is). Is there a file called "bootpartition.bin" in there? |
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| 04:25:12 | webguest64 | yes |
| 04:25:16 | Mouser_X | webguest64: ^ |
| 04:25:17 | webguest64 | no |
| 04:25:24 | webguest64 | no theres not |
| 04:25:28 | webguest64 | should i load it there? |
| 04:25:34 | druidfire217 | quick question on getting it to make the rockbox.zip file, I am getting a error as it doesnt find arm-elf-gcc. It said that it wasnt found, tried doing the PATH=/usr/local stuff, still gave me the same error, It also said that sysfont.o has an error 127 |
| 04:25:42 | webguest64 | save it there or whatever |
| 04:26:16 | Mouser_X | webguest64: When you run ipodpatcher with the command string that the instructions tell you, it should create a file called "bootpartition.bin" on your PC. |
| 04:26:35 | Mouser_X | If it didn't, then you need to tell us *exactly* what it did instead. |
| 04:26:53 | webguest64 | what if i downloaded the bootpartition? |
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| 04:27:13 | Mouser_X | The one that ipodpatcher created is a backup from you player. |
| 04:27:23 | webguest64 | didnt do it then |
| 04:27:40 | Mouser_X | So, what did ipodpatcher do instead? |
| 04:27:46 | Mouser_X | You said it did some stuff. |
| 04:27:49 | Mouser_X | What did it do? |
| 04:28:09 | Mouser_X | (You never actually said what it did.) |
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| 04:28:28 | webguest64 | r u talkin about when i typed in the ipodpatcher disk devide 1 -r bootpartition.bin? |
| 04:28:40 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 04:28:42 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:28:53 | Mouser_X | What happened when you did that? |
| 04:28:55 | webguest64 | says this |
| 04:29:30 | webguest64 | usage: ipodpatcher −−scan, ipodpatcher diskno [action] |
| 04:29:40 | webguest64 | gives me some actions i can do |
| 04:29:45 | webguest64 | like read firmare |
| 04:29:51 | webguest64 | write firmware |
| 04:29:55 | webguest64 | etc |
| 04:30:05 | webguest64 | add bootloader |
| 04:30:13 | webguest64 | then at the bottom |
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| 04:30:54 | Mouser_X | <webguest64> says this |
| 04:30:54 | Mouser_X | <webguest64> usage: ipodpatcher −−scan, ipodpatcher diskno [action] |
| 04:30:58 | Mouser_X | You entered the command improperly. What you got (what you showed me above) is an error. |
| 04:31:05 | Mouser_X | Type this again: ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 04:31:08 | Mouser_X | Then, tell me *exactly* what it returns. |
| 04:31:10 | webguest64 | k |
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| 04:33:37 | webguest64 | ipodpatcher v0.5 - <C> dave chapman 2006 [info]ipod found - video 5th gen - disk device 1 |
| 04:34:26 | webguest64 | and says this is a free software and how theres no warranty and stuff |
| 04:34:35 | Mouser_X | Try this: ipodpatcher video 5th gen - disk device 1 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 04:34:50 | webguest64 | where it says info on found the ipod |
| 04:34:51 | druidfire217 | I am getting that the sh-elf-gcc, and the m68k-elf-gcc arent in the PATH, anid I am trying to fix this. Any advice? |
| 04:34:58 | webguest64 | shoud i type it exactly? |
| 04:35:05 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 04:35:07 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:35:11 | puetzk | druidfire217, do you have the cross compilers installed? |
| 04:35:11 | Mouser_X | It can't hurt. |
| 04:36:00 | druidfire217 | Puetzk, I think I do. I went through the CygwinDevelopment thing when I first did it, but I am not totally sure how to check |
| 04:36:54 | webguest64 | said the same thing |
| 04:36:56 | druidfire217 | I skipped step 4 because it said that the installation script should do it, and I am not sure how to get to iv or nano |
| 04:37:58 | Mouser_X | Try this: ipodpatcher -disk device 1 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 04:38:05 | dewdude | doh. |
| 04:38:10 | | Quit dewdude ("rebooting") |
| 04:38:19 | * | Mouser_X is guessing on that one |
| 04:38:42 | Mouser_X | Or, try: ipodpatcher 1 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 04:38:54 | Mouser_X | Yes, the second one. |
| 04:38:59 | Mouser_X | ^ Do that. |
| 04:39:03 | webguest64 | there we go |
| 04:39:05 | webguest64 | yup |
| 04:39:13 | webguest64 | do something now |
| 04:39:23 | webguest64 | now i see a bootpartition |
| 04:39:24 | Mouser_X | So, it's creating a file? |
| 04:39:31 | webguest64 | yes it did |
| 04:39:35 | Mouser_X | How big is it (when it's done)? |
| 04:39:45 | webguest64 | 96,264 |
| 04:39:52 | webguest64 | kb |
| 04:40:01 | puetzk | but you did go through the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 04:40:14 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Is that correct according to step 7? |
| 04:40:20 | puetzk | (which basically consist of running rockboxdev.sh, the rest is just describing how to do manually what that does automatically) |
| 04:40:27 | Mouser_X | webguest64: (It tells you how big it should be.) |
| 04:40:28 | JdGordon | :( llorean isnt here |
| 04:40:44 | JdGordon | scorche: is tho.... :) |
| 04:40:45 | puetzk | druidfire217, alternatively, there's a VmWare image containing the right compilers |
| 04:40:56 | webguest64 | step 7 tells u how big it suppose to be? |
| 04:41:00 | druidfire217 | no, I missed that one. I went to the simple guide to compiling, and all it had was a link to CgywinDevelopment |
| 04:41:01 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 04:41:08 | puetzk | or I think some tarballs at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 04:41:20 | Mouser_X | webguest64: "This should create a file in the current folder called bootpartition.bin (approximately 40MB for the iPod 3G, 4G and Color/Photo, 80MB for the Nano 1st gen and 30GB Video, and 112MB for the 60GB Video) containing a copy of the firmware partition from your iPod." |
| 04:41:21 | webguest64 | on the manual im reading? |
| 04:41:36 | Mouser_X | If you're reading the manual at Rockbox, then yes. |
| 04:41:40 | druidfire217 | I am hesitant to put VMware on here, as I have a laptop with a pretty small harddrive. I have an external harddrive with lots of space, but am concerned with the transfer speed to install it there. |
| 04:42:05 | puetzk | druidfire217, do ls /opt/m68k/bin and see if they are there |
| 04:42:13 | puetzk | if so do echo $PATH to see if they are in PATH |
| 04:42:22 | webguest64 | when i right click it, it says 94 mb |
| 04:42:54 | Mouser_X | "approximately" |
| 04:42:59 | webguest64 | sure |
| 04:43:05 | Mouser_X | Personally, it sounds close enough for me. |
| 04:43:08 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:43:10 | webguest64 | now what |
| 04:43:14 | webguest64 | 8? |
| 04:43:15 | Mouser_X | Though, I'm not the one with iPod. |
| 04:43:34 | Mouser_X | Normally, when following directions, you follow them sequentially. |
| 04:43:35 | druidfire217 | Ok, I am about to try running the rockboxdev.sh |
| 04:43:44 | druidfire217 | I will try the path stuff after that right? |
| 04:43:47 | Mouser_X | webguest64: In other words, you decide. |
| 04:43:51 | webguest64 | lol |
| 04:43:56 | webguest64 | should i? |
| 04:44:04 | puetzk | druidfire217, rockboxdev.sh will actually download and compile the cross-binutils and gcc |
| 04:44:15 | webguest64 | got a ? |
| 04:44:25 | Mouser_X | webguest64: If you want Rockbox installed, then I don't know of any other way to do it. |
| 04:44:28 | webguest64 | do i need to have my bootloader.ipod in the folder? |
| 04:44:31 | druidfire217 | so I dont need to do the ls /opt/m68k/bin |
| 04:44:41 | puetzk | it will take quite a while - hour(s), most likely |
| 04:44:42 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Probably. |
| 04:44:46 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:45:09 | puetzk | the ls would be to see if you did get things installed via http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment, and maybe they just aren't in PATH for some reason |
| 04:45:33 | webguest64 | so when it says [device] i should type? |
| 04:45:38 | puetzk | but rockboxdev.sh should work, that's how mine is installed (but on linux, not cygwin) |
| 04:45:42 | webguest64 | 1? |
| 04:45:56 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Again, take note, that I don't have an iPod, nor have I *ever* installed Rockbox before. I'm doing all of this from reading the manual. |
| 04:46:07 | druidfire217 | I did the ls stuff, and I saw one of the listings as m68k-elf-gcc.exe |
| 04:46:15 | Mouser_X | webguest64: In other words, I'm hoping you can figure this stuff out yourself... |
| 04:46:36 | Mouser_X | webguest64: As I said before, [device] is a place holder. |
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| 04:46:58 | webguest64 | k written to device |
| 04:47:01 | druidfire217 | The stuff that I see doesnt match the stuff that I am supposed to edit |
| 04:47:14 | druidfire217 | Mine has a bunch of windows stuff in it |
| 04:47:23 | puetzk | like what? |
| 04:47:39 | Mouser_X | webguest64: See what it says at the end of 8? What happens when you do that? |
| 04:47:39 | puetzk | it's not that unusual to have extra stuff, PATH just lists all the places the shell will look for a command |
| 04:48:00 | webguest64 | when i start it it loads but says rockbox error 1 |
| 04:48:09 | webguest64 | then went back to my normal ipod screen |
| 04:48:13 | druidfire217 | I went back and reread, and it said to install curl or wget, and it couldnt find a downloader for rockboxdev.sh |
| 04:48:30 | puetzk | webguest64, ok, then it's flashed fine and you just need to put the rockbox.ipod file on |
| 04:48:30 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Yes, that's because you didn't follow the directions (you skipped ahead). |
| 04:48:46 | puetzk | well, not flashed, the iPod bootloader is on disk too :-P |
| 04:49:23 | webguest64 | what do mean skipped |
| 04:49:27 | Mouser_X | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2 |
| 04:49:39 | Mouser_X | Notice, 2.2.2 is before 2.2.3 |
| 04:49:40 | druidfire217 | I couldnt find a section of the usr/local/bin that matched the part on the development exactly |
| 04:50:05 | puetzk | druidfire217, is there a PATH= line though? |
| 04:50:23 | webguest64 | http://www.rockbox.org/download/. ? |
| 04:50:32 | puetzk | you just need to add the three more dirs to it |
| 04:50:52 | puetzk | if it's different than the default, that's OK (but it's probably why the installation script didn't do it automatically for you) |
| 04:50:57 | Mouser_X | webguest64: You want the daily builds. |
| 04:51:09 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 04:51:25 | Mouser_X | "Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Video, use a daily build or CVS build." |
| 04:51:34 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Did you not read that? |
| 04:51:43 | druidfire217 | no, it says /urs/local/arm-elf/bin:/urs/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin/:usr/x11r6/bin:cygdrive/c/windows/system32L/cygdrive/c/windows/system32/wbem:/cygdrive/c/program files/ati Technologies/ati Control panel |
| 04:51:57 | webguest64 | k downloaded what do i have to do to add this |
| 04:52:04 | Mouser_X | Read? |
| 04:52:19 | druidfire217 | There is no Path= line |
| 04:52:39 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Read section 2.2.2 |
| 04:52:40 | druidfire217 | that is what it told me when I put in echo $path |
| 04:52:53 | webguest64 | u suggest font package? |
| 04:53:00 | Mouser_X | Later, yes. |
| 04:53:03 | Mouser_X | Now, no. |
| 04:53:05 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:53:16 | puetzk | Oh. The PATH= liene is in the file /etc/profile, not when you say echo $PATH (the former is setting it, the latter just prints it) |
| 04:53:32 | puetzk | (this is step of the CygwinDevelopment page) |
| 04:53:33 | Mouser_X | (Later will be after you have the firmware installed.) |
| 04:53:36 | puetzk | step 4 |
| 04:54:09 | druidfire217 | so how do I get there exactly to make sure I have it? Cd .. a lot? |
| 04:55:05 | puetzk | open that text file in your favorite text editor. It will be /etc/profile from inside cygwin or C:\cygwin\etc\profile from windows |
| 04:55:18 | webguest64 | ok now i have rockbox on my pod |
| 04:55:24 | druidfire217 | But it says not to use Notepad, so what should I use |
| 04:55:25 | webguest64 | how do i run it |
| 04:55:32 | Mouser_X | Try restarting. |
| 04:55:54 | Mouser_X | (Your iPod, not your PC...) |
| 04:56:11 | webguest64 | i know |
| 04:56:16 | Mouser_X | Just making sure. |
| 04:56:19 | druidfire217 | All I have is a profile.d instead of profile |
| 04:56:19 | webguest64 | nothin |
| 04:56:21 | puetzk | druidfire217, the reason it says not to use notepad is that it can't handle unix-style linefeeds. Pretty much anything else will be OK |
| 04:56:37 | Mouser_X | webguest64: It wouldn't be the first time it's happened. |
| 04:56:45 | Mouser_X | So, what happened? |
| 04:56:49 | Mouser_X | Same error as before? |
| 04:56:50 | druidfire217 | such as? MS word? |
| 04:56:52 | webguest64 | na |
| 04:56:58 | webguest64 | same as normal pod |
| 04:57:03 | webguest64 | didnt do anything |
| 04:57:11 | webguest64 | started my normal ipod |
| 04:57:24 | Mouser_X | Disconnect everything, turn off the iPod completely. |
| 04:57:29 | Mouser_X | Then try again. |
| 04:57:29 | webguest64 | i did |
| 04:57:32 | Mouser_X | Oh. |
| 04:57:42 | Mouser_X | Well, try installing the bootloader again. |
| 04:57:50 | Mouser_X | It can't hurt. |
| 04:57:53 | webguest64 | k |
| 04:58:28 | webguest64 | so skip to 7 right? |
| 04:58:34 | puetzk | I like gvim, TextPad is popular on windows, codewright is popular, SCiTE's OK, Notepad++ ought to work... I question if you've ever written code if you don't already have a favorite though :-) |
| 04:58:40 | Mouser_X | webguest64: Also, do you have a ./rockbox directory on the root of your iPod? |
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| 04:59:10 | druidfire217 | I havent written code, just trying to get a patched RB to compile |
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| 04:59:18 | webguest48 | sorry mouse u there |
| 04:59:23 | webguest48 | do 7 ? |
| 04:59:30 | webguest48 | im 48 now |
| 04:59:37 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Did you verify that the *.ZIP file extracted properly? |
| 04:59:46 | webguest48 | yes |
| 04:59:51 | Mouser_X | "Note: If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a file called rockbox.ipod in the main folder of your players drive, and also a folder called /.rockbox, which contains a number of other folders and system files needed by Rockbox. If you receive a -1 error when you start Rockbox, you have not extracted the contents of the .zip file to the proper location." |
| 04:59:55 | webguest48 | its on my ipod i can see it |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:01 | webguest48 | i do |
| 05:00:02 | Mouser_X | And it's in the root? |
| 05:00:12 | Mouser_X | (I'm just making sure.) |
| 05:00:15 | webguest48 | yes |
| 05:00:15 | druidfire217 | Downloading and installing textpad now |
| 05:00:17 | webguest48 | i didnt go into any folders |
| 05:00:25 | webguest48 | just clicked to open in the ipod |
| 05:00:37 | webguest48 | repeat 7? |
| 05:00:42 | druidfire217 | so now all I need to do is to edit the $path line, and everything will work? |
| 05:01:01 | puetzk | druidfire217, that seems to be what's missing |
| 05:01:08 | puetzk | no warranty :-) |
| 05:01:27 | Mouser_X | So, in Windows Explorer, when you go to the iPod, the path would be "[Drive letter here]:\.rockbox" ? |
| 05:01:28 | webguest48 | or 8 i mean |
| 05:01:33 | webguest48 | yes |
| 05:01:39 | Mouser_X | K, then do 8 again. |
| 05:01:41 | webguest48 | k |
| 05:02:10 | druidfire217 | ok, I hope this works. The nice part about the H10's at least is that we can always get to them with UMS mode, so I dont think anyone besides Barry bricked one, and he was trying to get it to run in the beginning |
| 05:02:21 | druidfire217 | Thanks for your help. |
| 05:02:22 | webguest48 | now disconnect>? |
| 05:03:09 | webguest48 | loaded |
| 05:03:12 | Mouser_X | Did you download "http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" |
| 05:03:12 | webguest48 | yes |
| 05:03:18 | webguest48 | it turned on |
| 05:03:20 | Mouser_X | Again, just making sure. |
| 05:03:25 | webguest48 | yo |
| 05:03:25 | webguest48 | thanks bro |
| 05:03:26 | Mouser_X | So, did Rockbox work? |
| 05:03:31 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
| 05:03:34 | webguest48 | can u help me with a theme now? |
| 05:03:52 | Mouser_X | Depends on how willing you are to read. Otherwise, yes. |
| 05:03:58 | webguest48 | how do i play my songs |
| 05:04:09 | Mouser_X | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-160003 |
| 05:04:26 | druidfire217 | still comes up with the same error, but it is talking about arm-elf-gcc, and the rockboxdev.sh told me that the H10 needed m68k.elf.gcc |
| 05:04:29 | druidfire217 | Could this be the difference |
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| 05:05:00 | macdog12 | hey guys |
| 05:05:02 | puetzk | druidfire217, you added all three to PATH, and opened a new shell? What does echo $PATH say now? |
| 05:05:05 | Mouser_X | webguest48: That link I pasted will do a much better job telling you how to use the iPod, than I can. |
| 05:05:28 | Mouser_X | Howdy macdog12. |
| 05:05:31 | macdog12 | anyone here help me with a gigabeat issue? |
| 05:05:44 | Mouser_X | Like what? |
| 05:05:47 | * | Mouser_X is getting a Gigabeat hopefully within a week. |
| 05:05:50 | macdog12 | i am a loser... but |
| 05:05:56 | Mouser_X | (I'm waiting on the mail.) |
| 05:05:57 | druidfire217 | I added the one about the H10, the m68k-elf-gcc, cause that is what it said the H10 uses |
| 05:06:05 | macdog12 | i cant see a GBSYSTEM folder |
| 05:06:16 | Mouser_X | It's hidden. |
| 05:06:22 | macdog12 | ive unhidden everything |
| 05:06:40 | macdog12 | still no cigar |
| 05:06:57 | druidfire217 | Just went back in and added them all and it is still giving me the same error |
| 05:07:10 | puetzk | druidfire217, and opened a new shell after editing it? |
| 05:07:16 | druidfire217 | Do I need to open up cgywin again? |
| 05:07:18 | puetzk | yes |
| 05:07:22 | puetzk | it won't take effect until you do that. |
| 05:07:23 | Mouser_X | macdog12: So, in Explorer, you gone to tools> folder options> veiw> and said to show hidden files and folders? |
| 05:07:33 | puetzk | profile is read when the shell is starting up |
| 05:07:45 | druidfire217 | Oh, is there any way to save the patched version that I got a makefile created for, or do I have to do it again? |
| 05:07:56 | macdog12 | MOuser_X - yes i have |
| 05:08:00 | puetzk | druidfire217, it will still be there when you CD back to the folder |
| 05:08:27 | druidfire217 | so if I use the make command from the makefile directory, it will be patched? Just checking on this |
| 05:08:31 | Mouser_X | macdog12: You also need to unselect "Hide protected operating system files" |
| 05:08:39 | puetzk | yes, patch actually wrote the changed files |
| 05:08:51 | puetzk | so they will still be changed |
| 05:09:13 | druidfire217 | ok thanks for walking me through that. My fiancee is bugging me, so I will have to try it in a little bit. Hope it works, and thanks for the help. |
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| 05:09:26 | macdog12 | Mouser_X done that too... |
| 05:09:50 | Mouser_X | macdog12: If that still doesn't work, then try typing "[Drive letter of Gigabeat here]:\GBSYSTEM\" (without the " marks) in the address bar of Explorer. |
| 05:09:51 | macdog12 | it shows a .rockbox folder as well as Albums, Music and Playlists folders |
| 05:09:59 | webguest48 | yo mouser can u see in that manual where to go to find your songs? |
| 05:10:40 | Mouser_X | webguest48: If you're refering to finding your songs that you added with iTunes, they'll be a jumbled mess of unrecognizable file names. |
| 05:10:44 | macdog12 | ok cool thanks Mouser_X |
| 05:10:53 | webguest48 | how do u fix that? |
| 05:10:54 | Mouser_X | macdog12: Did that help? |
| 05:10:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:11:07 | macdog12 | the gigbeat doesnt have a drive letter |
| 05:11:10 | macdog12 | My Computer\TOSHIBA gigabeat\gigabeat_HardDisk |
| 05:11:55 | Mouser_X | webguest48: YOu can't fix it. The best you can do is to use the "Database" viewing mode, which displays the ID3 tags, instead of directories, and filenames. |
| 05:12:08 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Read the manual. It will tell you more. |
| 05:12:19 | webguest48 | im trying |
| 05:12:21 | macdog12 | do i have to format it? |
| 05:12:32 | puetzk | or you just copy the files over with sane folders and names (if you don't intend to use the original firmware anymore) |
| 05:12:33 | Mouser_X | macdog12: It looks like you need to connect your Gigabeat differently. You shouldn't need to format it. |
| 05:12:41 | Mouser_X | I think it's not in disk mode. |
| 05:13:00 | Mouser_X | (I don't know for certain, since I don't yet have a Gigabeat to find out with.) |
| 05:13:59 | Mouser_X | macdog12: "To transfer Rockbox to your player you need to connect it to your computer. To proceed you need to know where to access the player. On Windows this means you need to figure out the drive letter associated with the device. On Linux you need to know the mount point of your player." |
| 05:14:22 | Mouser_X | macdog12: You probably saw that already, but I'm pointing out that there should be a drive letter for the device. |
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| 05:15:37 | macdog13 | sorry Mouser.. got D?C |
| 05:15:51 | puetzk | Mouser_X, is the stock firmware an MTP device? If so it wouldn't get a drive letter, and you'd have to somehow get it in UMS mode first... |
| 05:16:02 | puetzk | (I don't have one either, but that would fit what he's seeing...) |
| 05:16:03 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:16:15 | Mouser_X | puetzk: I think that's correct. |
| 05:16:32 | Mouser_X | It should be a setting, somewhere... |
| 05:16:32 | macdog13 | did you get my last message about there being no drive letter? |
| 05:17:02 | Mouser_X | macdog12: Yes. You need to get the Gigabeat into UMS mode (as puetzk said) |
| 05:17:21 | macdog13 | ok... thanks... how do i go about doing that? |
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| 05:17:29 | puetzk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN is giving pretty bad advice (using cygwin svn and TortoiseSVN on the same folder). This can easily lead to a corrupt text-base if you have any files marked svn:eol native. It's much better to install a win32 svn and just have it in PATH (which the svn setup does automatically) |
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| 05:17:45 | Mouser_X | macdog12: I would think that it's a setting you enable on the Gigabeat. |
| 05:17:52 | puetzk | wiki registration seems to not work, or I'd fix it... |
| 05:17:59 | webguest48 | yo mouse can i get a link to download themes? |
| 05:18:03 | macdog13 | ok |
| 05:18:05 | webguest48 | and manual pleas |
| 05:18:05 | webguest48 | e |
| 05:18:14 | puetzk | http://rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 05:18:20 | puetzk | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 05:18:31 | Mouser_X | puetzk: Thanks. |
| 05:19:11 | BHSPitLappy | webguest48, you can set a nickname for yourself in here by typing "/nick newnickgoeshere" , without the quotes |
| 05:19:46 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Other themes can be found here (I think these fit your player): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
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| 05:20:23 | macdog13 | Mouser_X - just been into setup and cant find anything? anyone else go any clues? |
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| 05:20:58 | Mouser_X | macdog13: Does the Gigabeat manual say anything about a disk mode, or a UMS mode, or something? |
| 05:21:14 | Mouser_X | Or, do you have any links or anything at all that I can go off of? |
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| 05:22:41 | Mouser_X | macdog13: If my Gigabeat was here, I'd see what I could figure out from my end... Alas, I must wait at *least* 4 more days... |
| 05:23:14 | macdog13 | oh ok... im looking now |
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| 05:23:49 | webguest48 | once u get a them u like u extract it to the theme folder on the ipod under .rockbox? |
| 05:24:09 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Open the ZIP first. |
| 05:24:16 | perldiver | what seems to be the problem with gigabeat? |
| 05:24:24 | webguest48 | zip it to my comp 1st? |
| 05:24:36 | Mouser_X | No, open the ZIP file first. |
| 05:24:39 | webguest48 | k |
| 05:24:54 | Mouser_X | perldiver: He can't get it to be recognized as a HDD. |
| 05:25:01 | webguest48 | what do want to know now |
| 05:25:16 | perldiver | Mouser_X with rockbox on ? |
| 05:25:16 | Mouser_X | What's the first thing you see in the file? |
| 05:25:28 | Mouser_X | perldiver: He's trying to install Rockbox. |
| 05:25:31 | webguest48 | i want the .cfg file? |
| 05:25:34 | webguest48 | under themes? |
| 05:25:54 | Mouser_X | webguest48: No, when opening the ZIP, what's the VERY first thing you see? |
| 05:25:54 | webguest48 | 1st file theme x glow |
| 05:25:59 | Mouser_X | Filename. |
| 05:26:09 | Mouser_X | So, what's the filename? |
| 05:26:16 | webguest48 | theme x glow.zip |
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| 05:26:42 | perldiver | macdog12 could you repeat your problem? |
| 05:26:48 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Okay, when you open that, what'e the *VERY* first thing you see? |
| 05:27:02 | Mouser_X | (Please give me a filename) |
| 05:27:07 | webguest48 | screenshots and .rockbox |
| 05:27:26 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Okay, extract the ZIP to the root of your iPod. |
| 05:27:36 | webguest48 | u sure |
| 05:27:39 | webguest48 | k |
| 05:28:02 | Mouser_X | webguest48: Yes, I'm sure. The ZIP has the proper directory structure already in place. |
| 05:28:03 | webguest48 | do i want to select .rockbox then extract |
| 05:28:18 | Mouser_X | No, extract the ZIP file to the root. |
| 05:28:24 | Mouser_X | The whole thing will be fine. |
| 05:28:38 | Mouser_X | Unless you don't want the screenshots to be on your iPod. |
| 05:28:58 | webguest48 | na i dont |
| 05:28:59 | webguest48 | see |
| 05:29:04 | webguest48 | so i just want .rock |
| 05:29:11 | webguest48 | right? |
| 05:29:19 | webguest48 | extract whats in those folders/ |
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| 05:30:49 | Mouser_X | <webguest48> so i just want .rock |
| 05:30:49 | Mouser_X | <webguest48> right? |
| 05:30:49 | Mouser_X | <webguest48> extract whats in those folders/ |
| 05:30:53 | Mouser_X | Yes. select the .rockbox directory within the ZIP file, and drag+drop it to the root of your iPod. You'll receive a warning, don't worry, it won't overwrite anything that you need to worry about. |
| 05:30:54 | Mouser_X | (If it overwrites anything at all, it was meant to do so.) |
| 05:33:10 | * | Mouser_X is reading a PDF of the Gigabeat user's manual... |
| 05:33:26 | Mouser_X | Geez. Everything is setup through their proprietary software... |
| 05:33:32 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 05:34:01 | macdog12 | perldiver - cant see GBSYSTEM folder on my gigabeat and all files have been unhidden |
| 05:34:23 | perldiver | does the stock firmware work then? |
| 05:34:31 | macdog12 | yes |
| 05:34:32 | Mouser_X | perldiver: Take note that it's not recognized as a HDD (there's no drive letter associated with the device). |
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| 05:34:42 | macdog12 | yeah sorry |
| 05:34:51 | perldiver | that sounds like a windows media mode |
| 05:35:00 | perldiver | are you connecting it with a cradle? |
| 05:35:07 | macdog12 | ok... how do i change that... i read the manual and saw nothing |
| 05:35:10 | macdog12 | yes |
| 05:35:21 | perldiver | take it from the cradle |
| 05:35:34 | perldiver | and connect it straight from the player to PC |
| 05:35:49 | macdog12 | done |
| 05:35:55 | perldiver | whats the result? |
| 05:36:18 | macdog12 | you are a legend |
| 05:36:30 | * | Mouser_X forgot there was a cradle. |
| 05:36:32 | perldiver | enjoy your gigabeat :P |
| 05:36:32 | macdog12 | i am an idiot |
| 05:36:40 | macdog12 | love you guys |
| 05:36:41 | Mouser_X | I wasn't planning on use the cradle anyway... |
| 05:36:56 | Mouser_X | *using |
| 05:37:30 | macdog12 | really am keen on this rockbox firmware... hope it is way better than the toshiba crap |
| 05:37:56 | perldiver | its a brand new world, macdog12 |
| 05:38:07 | perldiver | just be careful and follow the instructions |
| 05:38:30 | macdog12 | ok man... thanks again |
| 05:38:39 | perldiver | ask if theres a problem |
| 05:38:48 | macdog12 | will do cheers... cya |
| 05:38:52 | perldiver | later |
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| 05:39:16 | Mouser_X | perldiver: The gigabeat manual I'm looking at says that the unit comes with AV out cables. I'm assuming that these are not supported by Rockbox? |
| 05:39:32 | Mouser_X | (For use of watching your videos on a TV.) |
| 05:39:56 | perldiver | you're looking at the manual for gigabeat S i presume |
| 05:40:24 | perldiver | which is not supported by rockbox period |
| 05:40:24 | Mouser_X | I have no idea. |
| 05:40:43 | Mouser_X | Yes, I know the S isn't supported by Rockbox. |
| 05:41:33 | Mouser_X | http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/gigabeat/downloads/gigabeat_owners_manual.pdf |
| 05:41:39 | Mouser_X | That's the manual I'm looking at. |
| 05:42:16 | perldiver | thats clearly S |
| 05:42:22 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:42:30 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I didn't know what to look for. |
| 05:42:37 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 05:42:40 | perldiver | even just by look at that pic on the cover |
| 05:43:05 | perldiver | they crippled the cross on it (in my opinion) |
| 05:43:19 | perldiver | its not a sliding cross anymore |
| 05:43:24 | Mouser_X | I didn't pay attention to the cover. |
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| 05:45:00 | Mouser_X | <perldiver> its not a sliding cross anymore |
| 05:45:01 | Mouser_X | <Mouser_X> I didn't pay attention to the cover. |
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| 05:46:11 | Mouser_X | The cross, when running Rockbox, isn't a sliding cross, is it? |
| 05:46:31 | Mouser_X | I realize that can be changed later, but right now, it doesn't work that way, does it? |
| 05:47:02 | perldiver | it doesn't, some people want it back |
| 05:47:15 | perldiver | its got sensors all over it |
| 05:47:27 | Mouser_X | Yah, that's what I figured. |
| 05:47:32 | perldiver | so it can be implemented for different scrolling speeds for example |
| 05:47:40 | perldiver | i think somebody was working on it already |
| 05:48:02 | Mouser_X | I figure that, later, when things get ironed out more, that the sliding cross features will be re-implemented. |
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| 05:48:57 | perldiver | they also react on how hard you press it |
| 05:49:05 | perldiver | its quite crafty hehe |
| 05:49:19 | Mouser_X | Yes, there was someone working that as well. |
| 05:49:23 | perldiver | but yes, right now rockbox doesnt use any of those |
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| 05:49:36 | Mouser_X | Like I said, I'm sure it will, later. |
| 05:49:49 | Mouser_X | Welcome back macdog12. |
| 05:49:54 | macdog12 | thanks mouser_X |
| 05:50:07 | macdog12 | Rockbox is installed |
| 05:50:14 | Mouser_X | And running? |
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| 05:50:15 | macdog12 | but... |
| 05:50:27 | macdog12 | the writing is tiny |
| 05:50:33 | macdog12 | have i forgotten something? |
| 05:50:33 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:50:43 | Mouser_X | Change fonts (you may need to download new ones). |
| 05:50:53 | perldiver | macdog12 you have 2 solutions here |
| 05:50:58 | perldiver | 1) change the font |
| 05:51:08 | perldiver | 2) use one of the "themes" |
| 05:51:08 | webguest65 | hi |
| 05:51:18 | perldiver | http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 05:51:46 | Mouser_X | Howdy webguest65. |
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| 05:51:59 | webguest65 | I'm an iPodLinux refugee who just discovered rockbox |
| 05:52:13 | webguest65 | just discovered = about 30 minutes ago |
| 05:52:32 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
| 05:52:40 | webguest65 | I have a little podzilla module that is a language quiz program. It displays graphics, text, gets button input, and plays audio. |
| 05:52:48 | webguest65 | Is this sort of thing easily doable on rockbox, too? |
| 05:53:35 | Mouser_X | Rockbox plays music (all kinds), has a JPEG viewer, and a text editor. It can also read menus and filenames back to you. |
| 05:53:43 | Mouser_X | Though, I don't know what you actually asking. |
| 05:53:50 | Mouser_X | *you're |
| 05:54:19 | webguest65 | What I'm asking is can I make a custom module/program in C that manipulates graphics, text, and audio, and integrate it into a rockbox menu? |
| 05:54:36 | webguest65 | Like a podzilla module, except for rockbox. |
| 05:54:37 | Soap | yes |
| 05:55:02 | Soap | pluggins can do all that. |
| 05:55:14 | webguest65 | Great. One concern for me is (drum roll) audio recording. Been browsing the forums about that. |
| 05:55:22 | webguest65 | iPodLinux can't do recording on 5g's. |
| 05:55:33 | webguest65 | It seems Rockbox "can" sort of do recording on 5g's. Is that right? |
| 05:55:43 | Soap | recording on the iPod is in an early stage. If you were able to contribute to that it would be great. |
| 05:56:24 | Soap | It can record on the iPods, many of the features implemented on the other platforms have not yet been implemented on the iPods, including adjustable gain and such. |
| 05:56:58 | macdog12 | perldiver - do i just copy the theme folder into the themes folder on the GB once its extracted? |
| 05:57:21 | Mouser_X | macdog12: It often depends on the theme. |
| 05:57:22 | webguest65 | Specifically I need to set up 10 iPods (or similar devices) with my software for a university research experiment |
| 05:57:36 | webguest65 | I'm charged with the task of telling them which iPod model to buy |
| 05:57:45 | Soap | macdog12: a _properly_ created WPS/Theme .zip file should have the directory structure set up so you can extract it to root. |
| 05:57:46 | webguest65 | (and implementing the software of course) |
| 05:57:49 | perldiver | macdog12, usually its 3 folders inside the theme archive, extract them into .rockbox folder |
| 05:58:24 | webguest65 | It maybe seems like the iPod might not be the best choice now since it can't do recording...? Is there a better platform that supports recording, has a similar form factor, and has similar graphics resolution? |
| 05:58:46 | perldiver | Soap i havent seen many "proper" ones yet :P |
| 05:58:48 | Soap | define "similar" graphics resolution? |
| 05:58:53 | macdog12 | straight into the .rockbox folder not into the .rockbox/themes folder? |
| 05:58:58 | Soap | perldiver: well, let us not add to the improper ones. |
| 05:59:05 | webguest65 | At least the same as iPod 4G |
| 05:59:16 | webguest65 | (graphics resoution) |
| 05:59:23 | Soap | iRiver H320/H340 |
| 05:59:34 | Soap | macdog12: it depends on how the .zip was created. |
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| 06:00:00 | Mouser_X | webguest65: The Gigabeat has a 240x320 display. I don't know if it supports recording though (I doubt that it does). |
| 06:00:05 | perldiver | macdog12, see inside the archive and compare the folders |
| 06:00:05 | Soap | webguest48: the irivers have very mature recording. |
| 06:00:42 | webguest65 | Soap: I have experience programming podzilla modules, none programming for rockbox, none programming for iRiver. Any gotchas when moving from iPod to iRiver, or does the Rockbox API hide all the hw dependent stuff? |
| 06:02:29 | Soap | webguest65: I am not the one to ask on that - but I believe 99% of hardware stuff is hidden by the APIs, from what I've read. |
| 06:02:56 | macdog12 | perldiver - extracted the theme... still loads up as just small text |
| 06:02:57 | webguest65 | OK. Thanks for the advice, will be checking up on the iRiver H320/H340. |
| 06:03:03 | Soap | what level of recording do you need? |
| 06:03:15 | perldiver | macdog12 now you have to select a loaded theme |
| 06:03:18 | Soap | For line-in works good enough for many tasks on the ipods. |
| 06:03:22 | webguest65 | voice recording of memos |
| 06:03:41 | puetzk | webguest48, iAudio also has recording (FM/mic/line in with the subpack). Screen resolution is lower though, 160x128 |
| 06:03:47 | webguest65 | Yes, the "line in" bit scares me too... a custom adapter is needed? |
| 06:03:49 | perldiver | menu button > browse themes |
| 06:04:04 | Soap | webguest65: on the 5th gen, yes. |
| 06:04:09 | webguest65 | (custom adapter needed for ipod I mean) |
| 06:04:20 | macdog12 | ok the theme is in use, but the fonts are sstill tiny |
| 06:04:32 | Soap | webguest65: I am not sure what the hardware support for the 4th generation and microphones is. |
| 06:04:39 | webguest65 | How about the nano... same deal as with the 5g? custom adapter needed for recording? |
| 06:04:45 | perldiver | macdog12 what theme is that ? |
| 06:04:53 | Soap | all iPods only do line-in through the dock port. |
| 06:05:04 | macdog12 | escapepodGB |
| 06:05:07 | webguest65 | Basically I'm going to be buying new devices, so the 5g or nano are my only choices |
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| 06:05:22 | Soap | Earlier iPods could do mic from the headphone jack, but not the Nano, nor the 5G. |
| 06:05:25 | jackfusion | hi all |
| 06:05:31 | puetzk | webguest48, new v2 nanos aren't supported by rockbox |
| 06:05:35 | webguest65 | OK, got it about the line-in==dock port. Can I buy the dock-port line-in adapters, or do I have to build them? |
| 06:05:37 | Mouser_X | macdog12: You might need to install new fonts (if the theme didn't come with them). |
| 06:05:40 | Soap | well, then you are kind of out of luck, as the H300 is an older device also. |
| 06:05:42 | perldiver | macdog12 is it smaller than you see on the screenshot? |
| 06:05:51 | macdog12 | im talking tiny |
| 06:05:54 | jackfusion | are themes made mainly from configureation files |
| 06:05:58 | jackfusion | ? |
| 06:05:58 | macdog12 | i will install fonts |
| 06:06:06 | Soap | webguest65: making line-in connectors is cheap and easy. |
| 06:06:10 | perldiver | yes, try installing fonts |
| 06:06:11 | puetzk | webguest65, do you want line in or would a builtin mic be better (since you said voice memos)? |
| 06:06:28 | webguest65 | puetzk: build in mic is better. |
| 06:06:39 | puetzk | webguest65, iAudio x5 has that |
| 06:06:49 | webguest65 | but I have to be able run my graphics/text/audio language quiz program too |
| 06:07:12 | Soap | and greyscale won't cut it? |
| 06:07:14 | webguest65 | Does iAudio have a "reasonably" sized graphics screen? |
| 06:07:19 | webguest65 | Greyscale will cut it. |
| 06:07:19 | puetzk | webguest48, it's a rockbox device, 160x128 color screen |
| 06:07:28 | webguest65 | But I have to find new devices I can buy in the store. |
| 06:07:30 | puetzk | not iPod video class, but not pathetic |
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| 06:08:05 | webguest65 | puetzk: thanks for the tip, will google it |
| 06:08:08 | jackfusion | are themes made mainly from configureation files? |
| 06:08:23 | puetzk | http://cowonamerica.com/ |
| 06:08:31 | perldiver | jackfusion some use custom fonts |
| 06:09:01 | Soap | again, font should be packaged with the theme if it doesn't come in the Rockbox font download. |
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| 06:10:32 | webguest65 | What's the approx. price point of iAudio x5 compared to iPod 5g? |
| 06:11:19 | puetzk | ~$250. Not sure how that compares |
| 06:11:22 | webguest65 | And is it new enough that I can buy it in stores? (i.e. not an old model that I have to buy second hand) |
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| 06:11:31 | jackfusion | I am talking about placing pics and making thing act different. |
| 06:11:43 | puetzk | it's current production, though you'll probably have better luck ordering online than finding it at retail |
| 06:12:08 | puetzk | (depending how how good your local stores are anyway) |
| 06:13:55 | webguest65 | And rockbox supports audio recording via the built-in mic of the iAudio? And I could start/stop such audio recording from within a custom module/program of my own uploaded to the iAudio? |
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| 06:16:33 | webguest65 | BTW is the rockbox interface identical for all platforms? In other words if I experiment with Rockbox on my existing iPod, will it look basically the same on the iAudio? |
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| 06:17:11 | macdog12 | pearldiver - i have loaded fonts and theme - still has small text, and wont play songs |
| 06:17:29 | puetzk | the former yes, the latter I presume without direct knowledge (it supports various kinds of recordings triggered by time/volume/etc, so I think it's fully software controlled) |
| 06:17:37 | pearldiver | macdog12, do a reboot |
| 06:17:41 | puetzk | webguest65, screen resolution, etc vary |
| 06:17:44 | puetzk | obviously |
| 06:17:51 | puetzk | nothing is drastically different |
| 06:17:56 | puetzk | (AFAIK) |
| 06:18:08 | webguest65 | Right, but I mean the basic Rockbox interface is identical for all platforms? |
| 06:18:17 | webguest65 | Ah, OK, right, I see you answered that. |
| 06:18:38 | pearldiver | macdog12, select the theme again after reboot if needed and try to play something |
| 06:19:14 | webguest65 | Finally, a bit of a heretical question... other than iPodLinux and Rockbox, what other options are there? Just trying to get a feel for what programming options I have with these devices. |
| 06:19:19 | jackfusion | when making themes do u still use config files to change pics and the way things act in rockbox? |
| 06:19:22 | macdog12 | still no joy |
| 06:19:26 | pearldiver | (i hope you're not trying to play those lovely .sat files) |
| 06:19:37 | puetzk | webguest65, there's obviously also palmos devices and the like |
| 06:19:39 | pearldiver | macdog12 ok, give some details whats happening |
| 06:20:06 | webguest65 | Right, I meant for iPod class music player devices |
| 06:20:06 | macdog12 | the fonts are still tiny in the top left hand corner |
| 06:20:14 | macdog12 | Albums, Music etc |
| 06:20:25 | macdog12 | scroll through the srtists and albums fine |
| 06:20:33 | macdog12 | but there are no songs |
| 06:20:44 | jackfusion | have u selected the font from the font list on the player? |
| 06:20:44 | pearldiver | ok, you're trying to play .sat files |
| 06:21:06 | Soap | webguest65: your only other real option is a PDA. |
| 06:21:14 | webguest65 | Right. |
| 06:21:19 | macdog12 | so i need to delete all the songs that were on there? |
| 06:21:31 | Mouser_X | macdog12: Rockbox can't play SAT files. |
| 06:21:37 | pearldiver | macdog12, do you want to save them 1st or do you have copies on your PC? |
| 06:21:45 | Soap | webguest65: the developement enviroments for the PalmPilots would allow you to drag-and-drop many basic form-driven applications. |
| 06:21:46 | macdog12 | i have them all on my PC |
| 06:21:58 | Mouser_X | macdog12: Then delete the SAT files. |
| 06:22:07 | Mouser_X | They're basically useless. |
| 06:22:19 | macdog12 | ok, so whats the best way to do that and then get them back as not .SAT files? |
| 06:22:33 | Soap | webguest65: and I must believe WinCE developement is even easier. |
| 06:22:42 | Mouser_X | macdog12: Connect to your PC, and delete them from Windows. |
| 06:22:59 | Mouser_X | Then, simply put them back on in their native format, without using the Gigabeat software. |
| 06:23:12 | Mouser_X | In other words, dump them to the device as though it's a hard drive. |
| 06:23:24 | puetzk | there's also platforms like the Trolltech greenphone, Nokia 770, etc. |
| 06:23:45 | macdog12 | ok thanks |
| 06:25:08 | Mouser_X | Glad to help. |
| 06:25:24 | jackfusion | when making themes do u still use config files to change pics and the way things act in rockbox? |
| 06:25:46 | Mouser_X | jackfusion: I would have to assume yes. |
| 06:25:51 | webguest65 | Soap: going back to the line-in connectors, how do I build one? Are there instructions somewhere? |
| 06:25:53 | jackfusion | thank u |
| 06:26:02 | webguest65 | (for the iPod 5g I mean) |
| 06:26:11 | Mouser_X | jackfusion: Take a look at another theme that's on Rockbox, and see how it does its thing. |
| 06:26:36 | jackfusion | Why do I have to post twice on here to get an answer? |
| 06:26:40 | Mouser_X | (Rockbox.org) |
| 06:26:40 | Soap | webguest65: see my recent posts in the recording forums for the links to A-the group buy for cheap dock connectors. B-pinouts for the dock connector,. |
| 06:26:55 | Mouser_X | jackfusion: Usually, if someone doesn't answer, it's because they don't know. |
| 06:26:59 | Soap | C-brief recomendations regarding the process. |
| 06:27:07 | Mouser_X | jackfusion: I don't know, I'm only guessing. |
| 06:27:14 | webguest65 | ok thanks |
| 06:27:19 | Mouser_X | Otherwise, I would have answered sooner. |
| 06:27:42 | jackfusion | but after posting a second time I get the answer. |
| 06:27:55 | Mouser_X | Because I got tired of seeing you ask. |
| 06:28:05 | jackfusion | sorry |
| 06:28:10 | Mouser_X | (I saw you ask more than twice, just in different ways.) |
| 06:29:02 | pearldiver | jackfusion it really helps to look into manuals on rockbox.org, there are plenty on many topics: |
| 06:29:03 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 06:29:06 | pearldiver | for example |
| 06:29:29 | jackfusion | I cut and paste the question from above then post for almost all my questions. |
| 06:29:40 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 06:29:45 | webguest65 | Regarding the line-in connectors, is it feasible to hand-solder the wires to the pins? It looks pretty small... |
| 06:29:49 | jackfusion | I have been reading the manual |
| 06:30:27 | jackfusion | but I would like costumize more then just the player. |
| 06:30:34 | pearldiver | also, taking apart an already made theme was a good advice as well |
| 06:30:56 | * | Mouser_X goes AFK. |
| 06:30:59 | jackfusion | that is what I will do. |
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| 06:32:08 | macdog12 | Perldiver - why is it saying "No File!" |
| 06:32:22 | pearldiver | macdog12 what are you trying to do now? |
| 06:32:50 | macdog12 | i copied some songs across just to test it |
| 06:32:58 | macdog12 | and it sees the songs now but wont play them |
| 06:33:21 | pearldiver | do you see the file names and a small icon indicating its a music file? |
| 06:34:16 | jackfusion | but I would like to know why I have to post questions twice every time I ask a question in here, because I know that I should not post any way twice because of manniers. |
| 06:34:30 | jackfusion | on ircs and forums |
| 06:34:39 | macdog12 | yes |
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| 06:36:00 | pearldiver | jackfusion we are all enthusiasts here providing support when we have some spare time and see a question we know the answer for |
| 06:36:00 | macdog12 | but when selected it comes up with No File! |
| 06:36:23 | pearldiver | what kind of file is that? |
| 06:36:29 | pearldiver | mp3? what bitrate? |
| 06:36:53 | macdog12 | its a wma |
| 06:36:59 | pearldiver | there you have it |
| 06:37:01 | macdog12 | it has to be mp3? |
| 06:37:05 | jackfusion | I sorry if I am making any one upset |
| 06:37:14 | pearldiver | rockbox doesnt have a fully functioning support for wma just yet |
| 06:37:21 | puetzk | macdog12, or ogg/flac/wavpack/several others. Not WMA though :-) |
| 06:37:31 | macdog12 | so i have to convert every file? |
| 06:37:41 | pearldiver | all you have are wma's?! |
| 06:37:47 | jackfusion | use itunes |
| 06:37:52 | macdog12 | mostly |
| 06:38:01 | pearldiver | thats unfortunate |
| 06:38:04 | macdog12 | ripped from actual CDs |
| 06:38:16 | pearldiver | id rerip them if i were you |
| 06:38:24 | jackfusion | to convert to mp3/ogg/flac etc. |
| 06:38:37 | pearldiver | dont do "transcoding" |
| 06:38:48 | pearldiver | (converting wma into mp3s) |
| 06:39:52 | macdog12 | why not |
| 06:40:53 | pearldiver | it kills the sound quality, generally speaking |
| 06:41:27 | pearldiver | you're "compressing" the already "compressed" sound |
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| 06:43:37 | pearldiver | it all depends on your ears, headphones, hardware etc you're using of course |
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| 06:44:00 | pearldiver | some people cant tell the difference between 128kbps and 320kbps you know |
| 06:44:36 | pearldiver | others detect all the small changes and eq curves |
| 06:44:51 | jackfusion | thank u to every one for ur help. |
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| 06:45:14 | puetzk | pearldiver, and bitrates. Nothing wrong with transcoding if you're dropping bitrate massively anyway. |
| 06:45:27 | pearldiver | what do you mean "massively" ? |
| 06:45:50 | pearldiver | but transcoding is always wrong in my opinion |
| 06:46:13 | puetzk | -q6 ogg (~250kpbs) -> 96 kbps mp3 :-) |
| 06:46:33 | puetzk | not going to be transparent regardless, not going to be significantly worse for being a transcode |
| 06:46:34 | pearldiver | oh downgrading |
| 06:46:56 | puetzk | had to squeeze pretty hard to fit on the old rio PMP300 |
| 06:47:16 | pearldiver | thats some stip downgrading that might have a place yeah :P |
| 06:48:22 | * | puetzk notes a better solution would have been to replace the 32MB player a lot sooner... |
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| 06:51:13 | XeRiUM | hey where is the rockboy plugin on the site? |
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| 06:51:48 | XeRiUM | anyone know? :o |
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| 06:51:59 | Llorean | XeRiUM: You don't download it separately. |
| 06:52:07 | XeRiUM | oh |
| 06:52:16 | XeRiUM | where can i find it? i dont believe it came with the build |
| 06:52:34 | Llorean | Have you read the manual on how to use it? |
| 06:52:37 | Llorean | It's not a normal plugin. |
| 06:52:47 | XeRiUM | oh |
| 06:52:52 | XeRiUM | where can i find the manual for it? |
| 06:52:58 | Llorean | Have you been to the website? |
| 06:53:05 | Llorean | There's a link to the manual download page on every page. |
| 06:53:17 | XeRiUM | ok |
| 06:53:42 | Llorean | Rockboy may also not be supported for your player. |
| 06:53:57 | XeRiUM | oh, does it work on 5.5G 30gb ipod videos? |
| 06:54:32 | Llorean | You could look that up in the manual too, y'know. Do you have something against manuals? |
| 06:54:42 | Llorean | Yes, it works on the 5.5G |
| 06:54:51 | puetzk | Llorean, well, actually, that would be in the wiki :-) |
| 06:54:53 | puetzk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy |
| 06:55:00 | XeRiUM | lol sorry man, im just reading it now and i cant see anything in the manual |
| 06:55:04 | XeRiUM | thanks puetzk |
| 06:55:14 | Llorean | puetzk: It's also in the manual. |
| 06:55:28 | Llorean | puetzk: Or it should be, there's something very wrong if it's not. |
| 06:55:56 | puetzk | oops, you're right. I didn't think most plugins were |
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| 06:56:48 | Llorean | XeRiUM: Yes, the iPod Video manual says *very* clearly how to use Rockboy. I'm astonished you couldn't find it. What did you type in your search? |
| 06:57:19 | XeRiUM | i just looked at the manual thingy :| |
| 06:57:44 | XeRiUM | which section is it under? im looking under plugins and there is only a very brief section about it |
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| 06:58:01 | XeRiUM | sorry im an idiot :( |
| 06:58:11 | Llorean | XeRiUM: A brief section that tells you exactly how to use it, though... |
| 06:58:42 | Llorean | Does it really need long, complicated instructions when how to use it can be explained in a single sentence (though it uses a little bit more than that)? |
| 06:59:07 | XeRiUM | well it just says "Rockboy is a Nintendo Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for Rockbox based on the gnuboy emulator. To start a game open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser. " |
| 06:59:14 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 06:59:27 | XeRiUM | :S i dont know where to find 'rockboy' on my player though |
| 06:59:37 | Llorean | What part of that says "run rockboy"? |
| 06:59:58 | XeRiUM | none |
| 06:59:58 | Llorean | Do you run something before you click on a song in the file browser, or a movie, or a picture? |
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| 07:00:28 | XeRiUM | oooh |
| 07:00:40 | Llorean | It means exactly what it says. You run the game file, not the plugin. |
| 07:00:41 | XeRiUM | so all i need is just the .gb file and it will automatically open |
| 07:00:50 | XeRiUM | ah ok thanks man |
| 07:01:16 | Llorean | If you read the header for the section, "Viewers" it explains all that. |
| 07:01:52 | XeRiUM | ya shoulda read that :( |
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| 07:02:48 | XeRiUM | so can i make a directory anywhere in rockbox and save a bunch of .gb's, and i can just select and play them? |
| 07:03:19 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 07:03:25 | XeRiUM | awesome |
| 07:03:40 | XeRiUM | time to play me some pokemans |
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| 07:05:12 | hachi | my pokemans, let me show you them |
| 07:05:25 | XeRiUM | LOL |
| 07:05:26 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 07:05:36 | XeRiUM | i love that picture |
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| 07:09:55 | XeRiUM | rofl it works |
| 07:09:57 | XeRiUM | yesss |
| 07:10:07 | XeRiUM | but the screen is small :( |
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| 07:13:29 | XeRiUM | thanks for all the help Llorean |
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| 07:34:00 | floppyears | wow, big channel :) |
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| 07:41:55 | floppyears | does anybody know if more cowon players will get rockbox support ? |
| 07:42:10 | Llorean | floppyears: We don't plan to support specific players. |
| 07:42:17 | Llorean | Basically, it depends on people who have the players doing the work |
| 07:42:25 | floppyears | oh |
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| 07:43:05 | Llorean | So, the answer is "If there are enough users with the determination, I'm sure they'll do it" |
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| 07:44:14 | floppyears | oh |
| 07:44:27 | * | floppyears wishes he had lots of free time to do the work :( |
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| 07:45:37 | floppyears | stuff like this makes floppy wonder if he should have gotten an x5 instead of the cowon a2 |
| 07:47:31 | Llorean | Probably. :-P |
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| 07:49:41 | JoeyCape | hi i'm new to wps customizing |
| 07:49:59 | JoeyCape | and i'm facing a problem with the volume levels |
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| 07:50:20 | JoeyCape | i got the volume bitmaps seperated into 10 parts |
| 07:50:50 | JoeyCape | and when i tested it out it seems to only move up to the 7 and then it disappears |
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| 07:53:11 | Llorean | JoeyCape: It's possible that your images are too large. There is a limit to how many total bytes of memory the images can take up |
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| 07:56:58 | JoeyCape | ok |
| 07:57:22 | JoeyCape | cos i was wondering is it due to the fact that i got 11 images in total including the 0 vol and empty battery |
| 07:57:44 | JoeyCape | which makes the number odd in a way that the calculations dun turn up correct? |
| 07:58:19 | JoeyCape | so i should have like 5 images in total which is dividable by 100.. |
| 07:58:24 | JoeyCape | or something like that |
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| 07:59:33 | Llorean | JoeyCape: No, it's most likely just that your images are too large, like I said... |
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| 08:00:54 | JoeyCape | aiite thank you.. i'll try reducing them |
| 08:01:00 | JoeyCape | =) |
| 08:02:22 | Llorean | Using less of them will also work, of course. |
| 08:02:35 | Llorean | It's just the total filesize of all your images added together needs to be smaller than a certain number. |
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| 08:07:22 | JoeyCape | yea and also the alignment of the preloader and stuffs.. how do i know where it will pop up on screen while editing? is the alignment based on the lines used in the text editor? |
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| 08:10:27 | Mouser_X | JoeyCape: I'd create a "mockup" of the WPS you have in mind in an art program. |
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| 08:11:13 | Mouser_X | Then, use the coordinates that the art program provides, to position your images. |
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| 08:20:16 | JoeyCape | yea i did that |
| 08:20:21 | JoeyCape | but for the song info.. |
| 08:20:48 | JoeyCape | the %ac%fn |
| 08:21:01 | JoeyCape | i dun want it to appear at the left hand most |
| 08:21:15 | JoeyCape | but rather a lil off the left of the screen |
| 08:21:22 | Llorean | Add some spaces. |
| 08:21:27 | JoeyCape | how do i do that? do i do that by inserting spaces |
| 08:21:29 | JoeyCape | icic |
| 08:21:59 | JoeyCape | and the vertical alignment? like my preloader is supposed to align with the preloader backing that i have included in the bg |
| 08:22:10 | JoeyCape | but now it appears like near the bottom of the screen |
| 08:22:12 | JoeyCape | hahaha |
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| 08:22:48 | Llorean | It's entirely line-based. |
| 08:22:54 | JoeyCape | is there like a wps simulator one can download so i dun have to plug n unplug my ipod over n over again just to test? |
| 08:22:57 | Llorean | And I have no idea what you mean by "preloader" |
| 08:23:07 | JoeyCape | oops progress bar sorry* |
| 08:23:20 | Llorean | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 08:23:30 | Llorean | Of course, it won't work if your WPS requires a custom build |
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| 08:26:29 | JoeyCape | what do u mean by custom build? |
| 08:27:00 | Llorean | Any patches. |
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| 08:30:03 | JoeyCape | no patches |
| 08:30:09 | JoeyCape | i have no idea how to install them? |
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| 08:37:05 | amiconn | Llorean: Why am I still getting 'reported post' mails from the forum? |
| 08:40:07 | Llorean | amiconn: I honestly don't know. |
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| 08:48:25 | Llorean | amiconn: Let me know if you get one shortly, I've tried a change and reported a test post. |
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| 08:48:50 | Llorean | The SMF documentation doesn't seem to want to tell me which of the various permissions puts you on the list for receiving those emails. |
| 08:50:52 | GodEaterWeb | is the forums server under load this morning? It's very unresponsive here. |
| 08:51:57 | * | GodEaterWeb prepares to be mocked mercilessly for his latest post |
| 08:52:39 | scorche | Llorean: speaking of which, am i not getthing them?...there was one mentioned that i didnt get |
| 08:52:50 | scorche | as in did you change anything? |
| 08:53:08 | Llorean | scorche: No, I didn't change anything for Experts recently |
| 08:53:19 | scorche | hmmm...alright |
| 08:53:33 | Llorean | You should have just gotten one within the last couple minutes from me reporting a post made by Paul_the_Nerd |
| 08:54:30 | scorche | Llorean: nope |
| 08:54:57 | Llorean | scorche: I found that at one point the forum software decided it hated my email address. It refused to send to my old yahoo address, so I had to put a different email address as the one listed for my account. |
| 08:55:20 | scorche | i recently changed mine |
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| 08:55:35 | scorche | and havent gotten any notifications since |
| 08:55:39 | Llorean | That's probably it then. |
| 08:55:53 | Llorean | Something either about the server of the forum software doesn't like your email address. |
| 08:56:16 | scorche | i am sure other people have gmail accounts listed there and get notifications.. |
| 08:56:19 | scorche | hmph |
| 08:56:47 | scorche | i do like SMF though...the only forum software i have seen that handles "new posts" correctly |
| 08:56:53 | Llorean | Heck, I use a gmail account and get notifications. |
| 08:57:16 | Llorean | I *think* it may just be something fidgety on the server outside of SMF's domain. |
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| 08:57:40 | Llorean | Seeing as the bug has persisted identically across a couple version of SMF. |
| 08:58:02 | Llorean | amiconn: So, any sign of the mail? |
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| 08:59:05 | webguest20 | from SVN log: 2007-01-12 06:05 "Fixes Bass and Treble not being saved. Thanks to jba". It uses a lot of defines. Wouldn't it be better to define a logical names (like HAVE_BASS and HAVE_TREBLE) and use them instead? |
| 08:59:24 | amiconn | Llorean: nope |
| 08:59:41 | amiconn | webguest20: No it wouldn't |
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| 09:00:12 | amiconn | The number of bits needed depends on the range and granularity of the setting. Hence the check for the various DACs |
| 09:01:14 | Llorean | amiconn: Alright, one of the permissions did 'replying to locked topics, changing the poll expire time and viewing poll results' and apparently that also includes 'get included in Moderator mass mails' |
| 09:01:35 | amiconn | aha |
| 09:01:43 | Llorean | I honestly think "Lock all threads" should automatically include "Replying to locked threads" |
| 09:01:58 | amiconn | What puzzles me a bit is that I don't get these mails often. |
| 09:02:11 | Llorean | They're fairly uncommon these days |
| 09:02:12 | webguest20 | amiconn: aha! I see, just to know whether it's present is not enought. Thanks! |
| 09:02:20 | Llorean | Other than a recent 3 or so, there hasn't been one in quite a while |
| 09:02:29 | amiconn | I didn't get one for a few weeks, but it started again the last days |
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| 09:02:37 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 09:02:54 | amiconn | At least it's nice to know that people mostly behave |
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| 09:03:17 | Llorean | As far as I'm aware, we don't even get spam any more, other than this one real problem user, it's shaping up into a pretty nice place. |
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| 09:04:43 | GodEaterWeb | wow - that guy in the "recording on video" thread turned into a real potty mouth for no real reason |
| 09:04:58 | GodEaterWeb | like it's our fault he bought an iPod or something |
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| 09:05:43 | webguest20 | He-he. The wiki page "UsingSVN" has the heading " Accessing source code via *CVS*" :-) |
| 09:05:58 | Llorean | webguest20: Because it's just the CVS page renamed until someone gets around to updating it. |
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| 09:07:04 | scorche | Llorean: switched back to the old email and it works fine =/ |
| 09:07:06 | webguest20 | Llorean: but the commands have already been changed to svn... |
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| 09:07:19 | Llorean | webguest20: Ah, so it's just not completely updated |
| 09:07:34 | Llorean | scorche: I wish I knew what caused that. |
| 09:08:33 | GodEaterWeb | Llorean: How does it send the email ? Via a relay server somewhere, or does it connect directly to the receipients mail server ? |
| 09:09:12 | scorche | Llorean: http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=856 |
| 09:09:57 | techItch | u guys know if rockbox supports gigabeat s30 ? |
| 09:10:32 | petur | no |
| 09:10:39 | Llorean | scorche: We don't have any log of that sort of error message. |
| 09:10:41 | petur | only f30 |
| 09:10:44 | scorche | as in, it doesnt |
| 09:10:48 | techItch | ok |
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| 09:11:05 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: It's set to "PHP Default" so it basically depends on how our host has set up to send mail |
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| 09:11:46 | Llorean | Wow, the error log is interesting: "Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!" |
| 09:11:50 | Llorean | It sounds so excited. |
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| 09:12:52 | petur | did you ban the idiot that reported Bagder's sansa post? |
| 09:13:22 | scorche | petur: he is our current "problem user" |
| 09:13:29 | petur | heh |
| 09:13:33 | scorche | and apparently, he uses TOR to get around the bans |
| 09:14:15 | Llorean | There's really no effective way to be rid of him without probably gradually working through every proxy server on the internet. |
| 09:14:35 | Llorean | I can at least blacklist TOR exit nodes in one swoop, but I don't want to do that unless it becomes *absolutely* necessary. |
| 09:14:47 | scorche | which i would rather not do, and instead, just wait till he tires |
| 09:15:04 | Llorean | scorche: If I would do it, it would only be temporary anyway. |
| 09:15:28 | petur | me reads a quote from Steve Jobs regarding 3rd party apps on iphone: 'These are devices that need to work, and you can't do that if you load any software on them.' |
| 09:15:31 | scorche | Llorean: is it set to SMTP or sendmail? |
| 09:15:34 | hachi | there's always gotta be a dick somewhere in the world... can't figure out why |
| 09:15:57 | scorche | hachi: nature balances itself out |
| 09:15:58 | petur | hachi: sometimes he even makes it to president ;) |
| 09:16:01 | Llorean | scorche: I do not know. All I know is what SMF is set to: "PHP Default", I don't know what the PHP default is at the host. |
| 09:16:16 | GodEaterWeb | who owns the host ? |
| 09:16:16 | * | B4gder jumps |
| 09:16:26 | scorche | that was quick... |
| 09:16:33 | B4gder | now why are some people such .. morons |
| 09:16:48 | Llorean | GodEaterWeb: Our hosting is provided by MisticRiver for the forums. |
| 09:16:55 | GodEaterWeb | ah |
| 09:16:56 | Llorean | B4gder: You saw what he reported regarding your post? |
| 09:17:10 | B4gder | I got a PM from him as well |
| 09:17:14 | B4gder | of the "nice" kind |
| 09:17:14 | Llorean | Not surprising. |
| 09:17:17 | * | GodEaterWeb is dying to know what he said |
| 09:17:31 | petur | a dedicated dick, huh? |
| 09:17:33 | GodEaterWeb | I thought your reply was funny Bagder :) |
| 09:17:37 | * | scorche also didnt get the notification mail, and missed out |
| 09:17:39 | B4gder | "Yea that might happen you Scandinavian piece of shit." |
| 09:17:47 | GodEaterWeb | oooh harsh |
| 09:17:48 | B4gder | that's me |
| 09:17:55 | scorche | ....heh |
| 09:18:20 | * | scorche is amazed at the ways idiots try to appear to be intelligent |
| 09:18:54 | GodEaterWeb | btw Bagder - as far as I (and LinusN) could tell last night - my build server is ready to be added to the group |
| 09:18:56 | Llorean | Sadly, there's almost no good way to be rid of him. |
| 09:19:25 | B4gder | but we can delete his posts... |
| 09:19:35 | Llorean | Aye |
| 09:19:52 | petur | he'll give up in the end |
| 09:19:54 | barf | my Gigabeat wont play audio. the playing screen counts up to 0:02 seconds then stops. any Gigabeat devs here? |
| 09:19:58 | amiconn | B4gder: I found a bug in the ViewVC display: |
| 09:20:16 | amiconn | If a committer's name is longer than 10 chars, the display is messed up |
| 09:20:37 | amiconn | Found 2 occasions of 12-char long names... |
| 09:20:59 | gotthardt | barf - what do mean counts up? are you playing mp3 or? |
| 09:21:02 | amiconn | I mean in annotate mode: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/scramble.c?annotate=11815 |
| 09:21:04 | barf | mp3 |
| 09:21:08 | barf | 256kbit |
| 09:21:18 | barf | but it does it on all mp3s |
| 09:21:23 | amiconn | Check e.g. lines 92 and 110 |
| 09:21:49 | barf | counts up means the elapsed playing time on the playing screen |
| 09:21:51 | B4gder | I see |
| 09:21:55 | gotthardt | barf: strange - which build are you using? how recent? |
| 09:22:10 | amiconn | The part to the right is replicated on each line for multi-line parts, e.g. lines 131-134 |
| 09:22:16 | B4gder | but I rather not attempt to fix viewvc |
| 09:22:16 | barf | gotthardt, im using http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT |
| 09:22:22 | B4gder | I'm alergic to python |
| 09:22:42 | Llorean | barf: That's not your build, that's your bootloader. |
| 09:23:09 | * | scorche likes python |
| 09:23:22 | barf | oh sorry, 061221-1734 |
| 09:23:33 | barf | is that it? |
| 09:23:52 | barf | (and it's a gigabeat Gigabeat F20) |
| 09:23:53 | gotthardt | 12 21 was right before we got sound working. |
| 09:24:02 | barf | oh ok. |
| 09:24:05 | * | barf looks stupid |
| 09:24:06 | gotthardt | f20 should have no probs |
| 09:24:10 | Llorean | barf: In otherwords, you didn't download your build from rockbox.org? |
| 09:24:13 | gotthardt | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 09:24:25 | barf | the link i pasted you is the same file installed on my gigabeat |
| 09:24:49 | Llorean | barf: You also extracted a rockbox.zip, that has a rockbox.gigabeat file in it. THAT was the build. |
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| 09:25:40 | barf | right, i'll get onto that. thanks for explaining that |
| 09:29:08 | barf | oh yes! it works! |
| 09:30:23 | gotthardt | barf: thats great! |
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| 09:39:04 | * | combrains is lerning how to use SVN |
| 09:39:25 | dan_a | Llorean: My solution to the current problem user doesn't appear to be possible with SMF at the moment, but it would be to set up a group whos posts are only visible to members of that group. That way, you could effectively ban problem users without them knowing they've been banned. |
| 09:40:14 | dan_a | Unless my new toy arrives, I'll have a look at the code for the forums and see if I can write something. |
| 09:40:20 | JdGordon | hahaha, good idea dan_a |
| 09:40:25 | Llorean | dan_a: That is a rather good idea. |
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| 09:42:50 | dan_a | It might be worth putting in a feature request for that. |
| 09:43:36 | GodEaterWeb | yep - it's ingeneous |
| 09:44:55 | Llorean | I think though, as a feature request, it should just be another Ban Type: "Invisible" rather than membergroup based. |
| 09:45:03 | fejfighter | There could be a problem with dan_a's solution |
| 09:45:17 | Llorean | Then even as a Guest, if you've done an IP specific ban, they see their own posts but no others. |
| 09:45:29 | dan_a | fejfighter: What's that? |
| 09:46:04 | fejfighter | once the user begins to see posts that werent there before, they would know that they had been banned, unless it was changed so they can be the only one to see their own posts |
| 09:46:14 | fejfighter | unless i read it wrong |
| 09:46:18 | thegeek | x |
| 09:47:29 | dan_a | fejfighter: That's true, so Llorean's idea might be better. However, I think an invisible ban would be a rare thing |
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| 09:50:38 | Llorean | dan_a: I think that while it'd be a rare thing, it's value would be incredibly high for those few occasions it is the best tool for the job. |
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| 09:51:00 | fejfighter | i agree with llorean there |
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| 09:52:00 | fejfighter | "a last resort for the worst of offenders", and maybe have a banned group for temporary bans |
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| 10:17:53 | macdog12 | hey guys |
| 10:18:27 | macdog12 | just wondering how i actually install a patch after i have downloaded it? |
| 10:18:40 | B4gder | the wiki docs isn't good enough? |
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| 10:18:58 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 10:20:34 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 10:23:01 | Zagor | amiconn: http://viewvc.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=221 |
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| 11:05:55 | amiconn | Zagor: What's the version of the svn server? Do we run 1.4.x ? |
| 11:06:30 | Zagor | yes, 1.4.2 |
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| 11:14:04 | amiconn | Zagor: So maybe we can switch to using the xml option? |
| 11:14:25 | * | amiconn doesn't know anything about python except that it's a scripting language |
| 11:14:33 | Zagor | yes, perhaps. I haven't yet looked att what that option means |
| 11:20:36 | B4gder | we can now update the cvs link in the menu of the web site |
| 11:20:44 | petur | \o/ |
| 11:22:46 | B4gder | I still have a few scripts to fix, but nothing really major |
| 11:24:38 | Llorean | B4gder: Is the builds.rockbox.org the final locatin? |
| 11:24:40 | Llorean | location |
| 11:24:46 | dan_a | B4gder, Zagor: Did you see my comment last night about showing the revision number in a tooltip? |
| 11:25:12 | B4gder | llorean: yes, well as final as this transition is yes |
| 11:25:48 | Zagor | dan_a: yes. it might be doable with some css trickery. I still don't think it's very useful though. anyone who wants to know it can get it by clicking any file |
| 11:25:50 | Llorean | B4gder: Well, that's what I meant. Will the 'SVN Builds' link point to that rather than an svn.shtml or whatno. |
| 11:26:07 | B4gder | yes it will |
| 11:26:27 | B4gder | zagor: "tool tips" work nicely with "title" at least in ff |
| 11:26:42 | B4gder | I'll try that later |
| 11:27:00 | dan_a | Zagor: Ah, so they can! |
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| 11:49:31 | habana | hi |
| 11:49:45 | pondlife | Any dircache experts around? |
| 11:50:00 | habana | could rockbox.org become multi-language ? |
| 11:50:23 | LinusN | habana: i doubt it |
| 11:50:28 | pixelma | Llorean: around? |
| 11:50:32 | habana | im hot for a french translation, in case of |
| 11:51:14 | B4gder | habana: it would be an insane mission so I'll have to say no thanks |
| 11:51:19 | LinusN | habana: tha problem is that the translations will always lag behind |
| 11:51:43 | bluebrother | Bagder: I'd like to move the doom game data shortly. Should we introduce a /.rockbox/gamedata for all games or put it below /.rockbox/doom like the other games currently do? |
| 11:51:43 | habana | LinusN:dont think it a proble, more a partial answer |
| 11:51:58 | pondlife | dircache_do_rebuild() locks the sim, because it calls remove(), which in turn calls dircache_remove() which then blocks forever |
| 11:52:18 | pondlife | I don't think is the cause of stkov on targets, but it's annoying nonetheless |
| 11:52:40 | webguest65 | Hi there again, I'm back from the dead. I just installed rockbox for the first time to my iPod nano, looking good. Got a few development questions... |
| 11:52:43 | B4gder | bluebrother: I think it can get a folder on its own. like .rockbox/doom |
| 11:53:20 | bluebrother | ok, I'll use that then. |
| 11:53:22 | habana | For example, i discovered http://www.s1mp3.org from their french page, and then continued to english ones to have latest/technical details |
| 11:53:30 | LinusN | habana: other people have tried before you, and they soon stopped updating the french pages |
| 11:53:40 | LinusN | example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FaqBatteries |
| 11:54:30 | petur | I'd really like all data in a parallel tree (saved cfg's, plugin saved stuff, game data, ... and the future settings) like .rockboxdata/ |
| 11:54:42 | B4gder | petur: I agree with that |
| 11:55:03 | B4gder | so that you can kill .rockbox without losing anything you'd car about when upgrading |
| 11:55:06 | B4gder | care |
| 11:55:10 | petur | indeed |
| 11:55:13 | webguest65 | When rockbox starts I see a menu "Calendars, Contacts, Notes".... is that just the directory structure on my iPod? |
| 11:55:22 | petur | now it's a major pita to wipe it |
| 11:55:29 | scorche | webguest65: correct |
| 11:55:40 | webguest65 | Is this always the first thing I see on startup? |
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| 11:55:46 | bluebrother | petur: agreed. |
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| 11:55:51 | bluebrother | hmm, too late |
| 11:55:53 | scorche | yes...i suggest that you read the manual |
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| 11:56:23 | scorche | webguest65: yes...i suggest that you read the manual |
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| 11:56:40 | webguest65_x | Dang it |
| 11:56:45 | webguest65_x | Got disconnected |
| 11:57:00 | webguest65_x | Is the directory menu always the first thing I see when I start rockbox? |
| 11:57:01 | Llorean | pixelma: I am again for a bit. |
| 11:57:01 | bluebrother | Bagder: btw, the manual page doesn't have the html zips for download. Is this intended? |
| 11:57:17 | scorche | webguest65_x: yes...i suggest that you read the manual |
| 11:57:20 | bluebrother | webguest65_x: yes, unless you switch to the database view. |
| 11:57:27 | B4gder | uh, no that's a mistake... |
| 11:57:33 | bluebrother | the manual explains this nicely |
| 11:57:40 | webguest65_x | What I want to do is write a custom app so as soon as rockbox starts, it's in my app. Is that easy? |
| 11:57:46 | habana | LinusN: i really believe that at least the main page should have a translation with sp, en, de. Wouldn't it be easy ? |
| 11:57:55 | habana | and fr ... |
| 11:57:58 | Llorean | B4gder, Petur, Others: Regarding a parallel tree, I think it'd be really nice if you could have a /voice subdirectory somewhere, where you could have specific voice strings. |
| 11:58:19 | Llorean | Such a "Genres.talk" which is simply "Genres", so they can be used to match strings in tagnavi. |
| 11:58:24 | LinusN | habana: could you explain why that is a good idea? |
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| 11:58:55 | B4gder | habana: they would still lag behind and quickly become a nuisance |
| 11:59:00 | bluebrother | Bagder: and, didn't you want to make the pdf manual links static? They still contain the date string |
| 11:59:22 | bluebrother | (or did I get that wrong?) |
| 11:59:22 | B4gder | bluebrother: there are statick links, I just don't point to them (yet) on that page |
| 11:59:39 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Thanks :) |
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| 12:00:56 | webguest65_x | Is it possible to auto-start a plugin in rockbox so the user never sees any menu? |
| 12:01:04 | bluebrother | webguest65_x: no |
| 12:01:14 | bluebrother | or, not easily |
| 12:01:32 | bluebrother | there is support for a autostart plugin, but you need to activate that in the sources |
| 12:01:45 | bluebrother | and I really don't know what this should be good for |
| 12:01:45 | webguest65_x | I'm willing to hack the source (compiling the cross compiler now). |
| 12:01:51 | webguest65_x | Ah, an autostart plugin, that sounds very good. |
| 12:02:22 | Llorean | What do you want to autostart, anyway? |
| 12:02:22 | webguest65_x | This would be good for running a custom language-learning program on the iPod as part of a language experiment |
| 12:02:22 | bluebrother | so, why don't you just read the manual and get used to the concepts of Rockbox? They are a bit different, but once you get used to it they are really good |
| 12:02:31 | webguest65_x | I don't want users fiddling with menus, I want them just to see my program |
| 12:02:50 | bluebrother | language learning on an ipod? |
| 12:03:02 | webguest65_x | Exactly. With a custom-written application. Part of a PhD thesis. |
| 12:03:16 | bluebrother | why not use a standard PC? |
| 12:03:23 | * | bluebrother doesn't get the point |
| 12:03:26 | webguest65_x | I was using iPodLinux but ran into some technical limitations (recording). Actually I'm about to switch to the iAudio I think. |
| 12:03:32 | webguest65_x | This is a mobile learning experiment. |
| 12:03:32 | LinusN | bluebrother: difficult to carry around? |
| 12:03:51 | bluebrother | come on. That bit ... |
| 12:03:56 | habana | LinusN:look at my example with s1mp3.org |
| 12:04:05 | habana | B4gder: i understand |
| 12:04:06 | webguest65_x | Hopefully mobile devices can allow easier/better access to information, hopefully leading to better learning. |
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| 12:04:27 | Mikachu | actually i think there is a builtin functionality for autostarting a plugin, but it's ifdeffed out |
| 12:04:53 | bluebrother | Mikachu: that's what I meant |
| 12:04:57 | webguest65_x | Great, if there is already some basic architecture showing me how to autostart something, I can probably hack the rest. I'll search the sources, thanks for the tip. |
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| 12:05:18 | LinusN | habana: i don't see how it would help non-english speakers in any way |
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| 12:05:26 | Mikachu | main.c:/*#define AUTOROCK*/ /* define this to check for "autostart.rock" on boot */ |
| 12:05:36 | webguest65_x | Thanks |
| 12:05:56 | LinusN | yes, they can read the front page, but they won't be able to install rockbox because they can't read the instructions |
| 12:06:25 | habana | LinusN: my man are translated in french :) |
| 12:09:23 | LinusN | for that to work, we would have to find a person who is willing to keep the french version of the manual up-to-date at all times, and today we can't even keep the english version up to date |
| 12:09:41 | bluebrother | how about adding the svn revision number to the version information? |
| 12:10:22 | B4gder | a glld |
| 12:10:24 | B4gder | a fine idea |
| 12:10:31 | dan_a | LinusN: It could be something to aim for at release time, though |
| 12:10:51 | LinusN | dan_a: i'd say "maybe" |
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| 12:11:39 | bluebrother | ok, hopefully I'll remember that tonight when I find time to look at RB sources again :) |
| 12:12:05 | pondlife | Bagder: Any chance you could make the "When" column on the front page recent commits table a bit wider? Compare the look with the CVS one (e.g. on the "last 4 weeks" page) |
| 12:12:29 | dan_a | LinusN, habana: I'd say it's impossible while the manuals are a moving target, but it should be easier when they aren't changing |
| 12:12:36 | B4gder | bluebrother: we should also make the build system use TZ=UTC for the time string |
| 12:12:55 | B4gder | it'd fix the problem with build servers setting different times |
| 12:13:11 | LinusN | B4gder: good idea |
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| 12:15:52 | Llorean | dan_a: It's not like translation of the manual need to happen *during* the freeze. Someone could submit a translation of the 2.5 manual even now for 2.5 users. |
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| 12:16:56 | dan_a | Of course, I'm English, so my idea of a translation is speaking louder and slower ;) |
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| 12:17:16 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 12:17:24 | habana | lol |
| 12:19:31 | GodEaterWeb | B4gder: did you see my comment earlier re: my host being ready to add to the build server list ? |
| 12:20:03 | B4gder | do email me your host name/IP and I'll add it |
| 12:20:13 | B4gder | as soon as I can |
| 12:20:13 | GodEaterWeb | ok |
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| 12:21:03 | GodEaterWeb | sent |
| 12:21:34 | B4gder | got it |
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| 12:37:03 | lex | nasty |
| 12:37:12 | lex | someone just comes and registers as lex once a month |
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| 12:41:42 | webguest65_x | This is cool, autostart works exactly as advertized :-) Thanks for the advice guys. Now, time to port my app from iPodLinux to RockBox... |
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| 12:45:29 | * | dan_a pimps FS #6528 - it needs testing by iPod/H10/Gigabeat people to see whether it affects CPU boost |
| 12:48:02 | Llorean | dan_a: I'll get to it Sunday on the Nano if it hasn't been tested by then. |
| 12:48:26 | Llorean | I don't have my any DAPs with me this weekend, oddly enough. |
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| 12:55:21 | tucoz_work | I just read about the html zips for the manual. i always found that confusing. i think to name it html (zip) is better than simply html |
| 12:55:34 | dan_a | Llorean: Thanks. |
| 12:55:40 | Llorean | tucoz_work: Makes sense to me. |
| 12:56:16 | Llorean | dan_a: I'm with my family. Todays my birthday, and ye can't pass up free cake if you've got someone to make it for yah. |
| 12:56:29 | dan_a | :D |
| 12:56:39 | * | tucoz_work sings happy birthday to Lloreay |
| 12:56:44 | tucoz_work | Llorean |
| 12:56:57 | dan_a | Happy birthday! Did you get anything nice? |
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| 13:00:33 | ironi_ | hi all |
| 13:00:49 | ironi_ | man, lots of ppl here nowadays =) |
| 13:01:58 | Llorean | dan_a: I'll know in about 12 hours. |
| 13:02:03 | Llorean | People are still sleeping here. |
| 13:03:03 | Llorean | We've apparently got at least 4 forum members who share a birthday with me, though none the year. |
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| 13:06:45 | adam1302 | hi can you go off topic here because i need help with a game |
| 13:07:04 | petur | only if the game is a rockbox plugin |
| 13:07:08 | petur | :p |
| 13:08:22 | adam1302 | no |
| 13:08:28 | adam1302 | its not |
| 13:08:44 | Llorean | So, why would you actually *come* here for help with something unrelated? |
| 13:09:05 | Llorean | I suggest perhaps, gamefaqs. That's a place actually dedicated to, well, games. And questions. Specifically the intersection of said topics. |
| 13:09:23 | adam1302 | well its not a plugin i dont think but i want to know if it will be |
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| 13:09:54 | adam1302 | ok thanx |
| 13:09:55 | habana | Did you know that a dev ported need for speed most wanted to rockbox ? i have the FAQ if you want to install it too (but you must own the licence!) |
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| 13:10:07 | habana | mv nfsmw.jpg .rockbox |
| 13:10:23 | Llorean | Much like the original Doom port. |
| 13:10:27 | Llorean | Long before the real one. |
| 13:10:33 | ironi_ | hehe |
| 13:11:11 | habana | ->[] |
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| 13:11:50 | pixelma | hmm... forum session timed out while preparing the post... not nice |
| 13:12:22 | petur | lost the text? |
| 13:12:48 | pixelma | no - luckily it was still in my browser cache |
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| 13:17:56 | ironi_ | zagor not here anymore? |
| 13:19:30 | daurnimator | linuxstb_: maybe after the av3, you'll know how to port to gmini402 easy (by what to grab from archopen sources ;) ) |
| 13:19:53 | linuxstb_ | daurnimator: You could follow my SVN commits for the av3, and do the same for the 402... |
| 13:20:07 | daurnimator | heh |
| 13:24:34 | habana | What the "e.g." means ? as for (e.g. a large font for in your car |
| 13:24:46 | habana | for example synonim ? |
| 13:24:52 | dan_a | habana: It means "for example" |
| 13:24:56 | habana | thanks |
| 13:26:04 | petur | "exempli gratia" |
| 13:26:28 | petur | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.g.#E ) |
| 13:28:31 | * | petur discovers that rasher knows python |
| 13:31:43 | LinusN | i just love how the Simplified Guide To Compiling is twice as long as the Detailed Instructions On Compiling |
| 13:31:53 | petur | lol |
| 13:32:41 | daurnimator | what is the best D/A out there? |
| 13:32:49 | amiconn | LinusN: They're simplified, nor shortened ;) |
| 13:32:51 | LinusN | it's the 45HG34 |
| 13:32:54 | daurnimator | i've been told Cirrus Logic is best |
| 13:32:57 | preglow | daurnimator: the one you'll never afford |
| 13:33:00 | daurnimator | followed my bur brown |
| 13:33:05 | daurnimator | *by |
| 13:33:27 | preglow | you're talking about electronic components? |
| 13:33:34 | petur | slimdevices use burbrown |
| 13:33:36 | preglow | burbrown is nice, at least |
| 13:34:12 | LinusN | we should announce a Wiki Cleanup Week someday |
| 13:34:20 | petur | paying attention to the power circuit is at least as important |
| 13:34:28 | LinusN | oh, sorry, WikiCleanupWeek :-) |
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| 13:34:36 | B4gder | we should plan the 2007 devcon-larger-and-better-than-ever someday |
| 13:34:43 | daurnimator | any other advice? |
| 13:34:49 | LinusN | B4gder: weee, we should! |
| 13:34:50 | petur | any date on that yet? |
| 13:34:59 | daurnimator | i'll come to 2008 one |
| 13:35:00 | * | petur wants to make it this year |
| 13:35:12 | B4gder | petur: any suggestions? |
| 13:35:13 | daurnimator | i get as many plane tickets as i want (for free) that year |
| 13:35:26 | frogslegs | Linus: just like the iriverflashing instructions, are very drawn out, could with a simpified version, leave out all the tech numbo jumbo |
| 13:35:30 | linuxstb_ | Is there a wiki page about the mas pcm codec? |
| 13:35:43 | daurnimator | this is the D/A i am told is best: http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P1023.html |
| 13:35:46 | petur | B4gder: no |
| 13:35:56 | B4gder | I'm thinking April perhaps |
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| 13:36:05 | LinusN | linuxstb_: no, only data sheets |
| 13:36:29 | preglow | data sheets??? pfaw |
| 13:36:32 | preglow | who wants them, i say |
| 13:36:38 | frogslegs | err, are non coders invited, we could buy beer :> |
| 13:36:48 | preglow | frogslegs: yes indeed you could, for the coders |
| 13:36:52 | LinusN | B4gder: i think using Contactor was good last time |
| 13:36:55 | * | petur wants to bring beer :D |
| 13:36:58 | dan_a | preglow: Me. Desparately. But not for the MAS |
| 13:37:08 | frogslegs | hehe, then i'll be the beer gofor |
| 13:37:09 | B4gder | linusn: I agree, it worked out nicely |
| 13:37:16 | preglow | petur: and bring you shall, a case of westvleteren would be nice |
| 13:37:17 | LinusN | except for the food |
| 13:37:21 | B4gder | we'd need to arrange the food better |
| 13:37:24 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:37:25 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:37:27 | pixelma | linuxstb_: maybe the source of the wavplay plugin could be helpful? |
| 13:37:32 | * | bluebrother just notices Llorean getting older today. Happy birthday! |
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| 13:39:24 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Yes, but I was wondering if there was anything I could point the archopen developers at - archopen runs on some devices with the same MAS chip as the Recorders. |
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| 13:43:09 | * | petur joins in the bd wishes for Llorean |
| 13:43:11 | GodEaterWeb | I think I'd like to come to the devcon too this year |
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| 13:46:51 | * | nls_web apparently has the same bd as Llorean too :-) |
| 13:47:11 | dan_a | Happy birthday, nls_web! |
| 13:47:22 | * | petur copies bd wished to nls_web |
| 13:47:32 | Llorean | Happy Birthday nls_web |
| 13:47:32 | * | daurnimator waves |
| 13:47:50 | B4gder | happy birthdays LLorean and nls! |
| 13:47:59 | LinusN | ditto |
| 13:48:13 | webguest65_x | Any reason why the wavplay.c plugin won't compile for the iPod nano? |
| 13:48:29 | LinusN | webguest65_x: because the nano doesn't need it |
| 13:48:38 | B4gder | because it isn't made for that target |
| 13:48:54 | LinusN | the nano can play wav files without that plugin |
| 13:48:56 | Llorean | webguest65_x: wavplay.c is for hardware codec targets. The Nano has a wav codec. |
| 13:49:06 | webguest65_x | Aha. Is there a code example of how can I play a wav file from a plugin in rockbox? |
| 13:49:15 | LinusN | webguest65_x: no |
| 13:49:17 | dan_a | I've got a suspicion I might have guessed how to do clock skipping on the Portalplayer's COP... I'll test it later |
| 13:49:27 | * | pixelma also sends a "happy birthday" to Llorean and nls_web :) |
| 13:49:42 | LinusN | dan_a: what is clock skipping? |
| 13:50:13 | dan_a | LinusN: From what I hear, the COP can run at 1/2 or 1/4 of the CPU speed |
| 13:50:19 | LinusN | aha |
| 13:50:50 | nls_web | thanks fellows :-D |
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| 13:51:02 | dan_a | Or it might be that the COP and CPU can run at 1/2 or 1/4 of the clock speed, which might be another way to get round the frequency scaling problems |
| 13:51:39 | * | petur wonders if we're reaching a members record in the channel |
| 13:51:59 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: With the asm memcpy/memmove, are you now getting MP3 playback without skips on your 3g? |
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| 13:52:24 | dan_a | linuxstb_: No. |
| 13:52:47 | webguest65_x | If I want to play back a WAV file in a plugin, what's the easiest way? Rip code from playback.c? |
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| 13:52:50 | linuxstb_ | But the boost is less than 100%? |
| 13:53:00 | dan_a | It gets down to about 96% |
| 13:53:25 | Llorean | But it'll pass 100% too? |
| 13:53:50 | linuxstb_ | webguest65_x: Look at any of the plugins with sound. I would say look at mpegplayer, but I'm not 100% happy with the way that's working yet. |
| 13:53:52 | dan_a | Llorean: No, 100% is the max. |
| 13:54:18 | webguest65_x | linuxstb_: Thanks |
| 13:54:56 | Llorean | dan_a: Well, I meant "it reaches 100%, then the buffer empties" |
| 13:54:58 | linuxstb_ | webguest65_x: I'm thinking the plugin library (apps/plugins/lib/) should contain some routines to help plugins play audio, and may implement that for use in mpegplayer. |
| 13:55:01 | Llorean | As in "it would like to have more than 100% available to it" |
| 13:55:02 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Playback skips always occur at the same time as the disk spinning up. I wonder if that's an effect of the problem or the cause |
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| 13:55:39 | dan_a | Llorean: Oddly, it doesn't seem to be working that way. |
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| 13:55:52 | Llorean | Strange |
| 13:56:03 | linuxstb_ | Is it any different without the priority scheduling? |
| 13:56:16 | webguest65_x | linuxstb_: that sounds very useful |
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| 13:57:46 | linuxstb_ | webguest65_x: But the basic idea is that you need to manage a buffer in your plugin with PCM audio, and write a "get_more" function which the Rockbox audio driver calls (from an interrupt) to get more data to feed to the DAC. |
| 13:58:50 | bluebrother | cp /Llorean/Happy Birthday /nls_web :) |
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| 14:01:36 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I've not tested that yet |
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| 14:02:34 | webguest65_x | linuxstb_: thanks, I'll look at mpegplay and try to do the buffer management as you say. |
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| 14:03:13 | frogslegs | i dont really understand the following, are there two items that needs to flashed ? |
| 14:03:17 | frogslegs | Now it's the time to decide if you want to put the Rockbox RAM image (/rockbox.iriver), ROM image (.rockbox/rombox.iriver) or both of them in flash. The ROM image is run directly from flash ROM, and the RAM image is loaded from ROM and executed in RAM. It recommended to have ROM image already present, because it can be started using the reset button and the bootloader's reset cookie failsafe system. |
| 14:04:24 | frogslegs | and do i flash the (.rockbox/rombox.iriver) image the same way as the other |
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| 14:05:24 | frogslegs | the above is extracted from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
| 14:06:25 | petur | frogslegs: and what are you trying to do? |
| 14:06:27 | roolku | frogslegs: yes, they ar both flashed the same way. However to flsh rombox you stillneed an extra patch to update the flash plugin (unless Slasheri has updated that recently) |
| 14:07:09 | frogslegs | the rombox.iriver image if a different part of the OS ? |
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| 14:07:57 | roolku | frogslegs: no, it contains the same code as rockbox.iriver but linked so it runs from a different address space (the rom) |
| 14:08:29 | frogslegs | ok so Either way achieves the same objective, putting the firmware in flash |
| 14:08:50 | Llorean | Not quite. |
| 14:08:53 | roolku | frogslegs: rockbox needs to be copied to ram first, rombox runs from rom - you can decide which one to use at boot time |
| 14:09:04 | Llorean | One just stores it from flash and runs in RAM, the other runs directly from flash. |
| 14:09:52 | * | roolku prefers rombox |
| 14:10:37 | frogslegs | once rockbox.iriver is flashed it resides in rom right |
| 14:11:06 | roolku | yes, but it will be copied to ram before execution |
| 14:11:50 | roolku | similar as loading from disk but faster |
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| 14:12:54 | frogslegs | ah i see, so i can have it do all its copying to rom instead of flash |
| 14:13:44 | roolku | rom = flash = flashrom (not sure what you are trying to say) |
| 14:14:43 | frogslegs | no matter, i dont really understand that, all i need to know is, do i NEED to do both, if not then i'll stick with flashing rockbox.iriver |
| 14:16:01 | roolku | Well, you only NEED to flash the bootloader |
| 14:16:16 | roolku | that will allow to load rockbox from disk |
| 14:16:40 | frogslegs | and if i want the firmware in ram, then i flash rockbox.iriver |
| 14:16:54 | nls_web | or load from disk |
| 14:17:12 | roolku | if in addition you also flash rockbox.iriver, that you get faster boot times (but need to remember to do it again when rockbox changes) |
| 14:17:39 | roolku | that = then |
| 14:18:22 | frogslegs | thanks, that clarifies it, just didn't understand the rombox thing, (still dont) |
| 14:19:40 | petur | frogslegs: you can have the bootloader load rockbox from disk (standard) or from 'rom'. in the latter case you can even have it run from rom, not load to ram. |
| 14:20:57 | dan_a | frogslegs: Not loading Rockbox into RAM means that there is more RAM free to buffer audio, giving slightly better performance and battery life |
| 14:21:23 | * | petur suspects it will run slower |
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| 14:22:02 | * | dan_a doesn't know for sure |
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| 14:22:44 | * | petur is sure, but doens't know if it is _noticably_ slower |
| 14:23:24 | petur | s/noticably/noticeably |
| 14:23:25 | roolku | nobody has evaluated it for iriver yet - there is no notable performance impact |
| 14:24:48 | roolku | noticeable even |
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| 14:25:35 | * | roolku want codecs and plugins in rom as well. :) |
| 14:25:57 | petur | and one demo song? |
| 14:26:06 | amiconn | petur: I wouldn't expect a big performance hit because of the coldfire's instruction cache |
| 14:26:21 | petur | ok |
| 14:26:21 | roolku | petur: sure |
| 14:26:35 | frogslegs | ah so there are two levels of memory, rom and flash |
| 14:26:52 | petur | no |
| 14:27:01 | roolku | frogslegs: no RAM and (flash-) ROM |
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| 14:28:46 | frogslegs | *sigh*, i'll look for pictures somewhere, thanks |
| 14:30:30 | nls_web | Jus thought that we will need some sort of illustration if this will ever be in the manual :-) |
| 14:30:39 | nls_web | Just, even |
| 14:31:14 | petur | frogslegs: is this a first install or are you trying to reach something specific? |
| 14:33:39 | frogslegs | petur, this is the first time i'm flashing |
| 14:34:24 | petur | just follow iriverboot (only flash the normal bootloader) and install rockbox itself on disk |
| 14:34:25 | frogslegs | what I dont understand is if those two rockbox.iriver and rombox have to be done and if so in what order |
| 14:35:08 | petur | unless you really want to install rockbox completely in flash |
| 14:35:18 | frogslegs | yep thats what I want to do |
| 14:36:02 | LinusN | frogslegs: do you know why do you want that? |
| 14:36:27 | frogslegs | speed, for speed why else |
| 14:36:43 | LinusN | fine |
| 14:37:05 | frogslegs | I dont really need to do anything, but if the stuff there and one can do it why not ? |
| 14:37:12 | frogslegs | stuffs |
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| 14:38:09 | B4gder | the big why not seems to be that you don't seem to understand it ;-) |
| 14:38:32 | frogslegs | yep, but I am trying to follow instructions |
| 14:38:35 | B4gder | and if something causes bricked players, it is non-understanding |
| 14:38:51 | frogslegs | and its is a bit vague, there |
| 14:39:27 | frogslegs | brickness can be understood, one expensive paperweight, |
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| 14:40:30 | frogslegs | well, the rombox needs a patched thingy anyway it seems, so i'll leave that out |
| 14:40:33 | nls_web | I want to try too, Normal: Bootloader copies rockbox from disk to ram where it is executed, rockbox.iriver in flash: bootloader copies rockbox from flash to ram where it is executed, rombox in flash: rockbox executes directly from flash :-) |
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| 14:42:03 | B4gder | the latter is often called XIP, execute in place |
| 14:42:04 | frogslegs | there you have it, in a nutshell |
| 14:47:45 | linuxstb_ | petur: What line-endings does "svn diff" generate on your CR/LF setup? |
| 14:48:06 | frogslegs | so to have rockbox.iriver do everything from rom i'd have use Rombox ? |
| 14:49:38 | petur | linuxstb_: CRLF iirc |
| 14:50:04 | petur | frogslegs: yes |
| 14:50:08 | nls_web | froglegs, yes, but you will have to use rombox.iriver not rockbox.iriver. |
| 14:50:31 | frogslegs | ahah, now to find this rombox thingy |
| 14:50:49 | * | petur walks off |
| 14:50:50 | nls_web | however I'm not sure if slasheri has commited everything yet (?) |
| 14:51:09 | nls_web | mobox.iriver should be in the .rockbox directory in recent builds |
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| 14:54:36 | frogslegs | thanks |
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| 15:17:08 | GodEaterWeb | burpy hapday Llorean :) |
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| 15:39:26 | markun | dan_a: the Gigabeat doesn't support CPU boosting atm btw |
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| 15:41:37 | dan_a | markun: Ah. The patch should be valid anyway (you may need to set what ARM architecture the CPU has) but it will be more difficult to see if it's making any difference |
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| 15:43:00 | amiconn | markun, dan_a: Why not run a memcpy speed test? |
| 15:43:27 | * | amiconn has a plugin for testing correctness and speed of memset(), memcpy() and memmove() |
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| 15:46:29 | dan_a | amiconn: Where can I get this plugin? |
| 15:47:41 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: earHertz (IIRC) did some work on memcpy/memmove - if you search the forums for memcpy, you should hopefully find his threads with test results of different implementations. |
| 15:47:56 | linuxstb_ | Sadly he disappeared without providing his final patches... |
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| 15:49:00 | * | amiconn should probably commit this test plugin |
| 15:50:26 | B4gder | sounds like a good idea |
| 15:50:30 | lowlight | dan_a: your next dap...sansa connect :) |
| 15:51:24 | lowlight | sansa with wifi |
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| 15:52:38 | lowlight | B4gder: did you get my email for svn access yesterday? |
| 15:53:27 | dan_a | lowlight: It looks nice... I'm out of money, though, after buying a Pyranha 4 Twenty. It might not have wifi, or even a DAC, but it should be fun! |
| 15:54:56 | * | lowlight googles |
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| 15:55:56 | B4gder | ah yes I did |
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| 15:56:40 | patrick0007 | Hi everyone, I was curious if Rockbox can be used on my Archos 504 |
| 15:57:27 | markun | patrick0007: no |
| 15:57:47 | patrick0007 | darn, do you know of any alternatives? |
| 15:58:01 | markun | the frontpage rockbox.org should tell you which players are supported |
| 15:58:10 | markun | patrick0007: ask the archopen.org guys |
| 15:58:11 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Is earHertz the same as TP Diffenbach? |
| 15:58:22 | B4gder | yes i think so |
| 15:58:30 | linuxstb_ | I think so too... |
| 15:58:39 | patrick0007 | markun: thanks |
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| 15:59:42 | GodEaterWeb | dan_a: did you try calling nVidia's UK office yet today ? |
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| 16:00:01 | dan_a | GodEaterWeb: No, unfortunately I'm tied up with the day job |
| 16:00:25 | GodEaterWeb | pesky things those |
| 16:00:50 | GodEaterWeb | mine's slack today though ;) Just been out for a curry. |
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| 16:01:37 | GodEaterWeb | absolutely nothing of any use on that post I made on the nVidia forums |
| 16:02:19 | dan_a | Do their staff use the forums, though? |
| 16:03:32 | GodEaterWeb | occasionally |
| 16:03:38 | GodEaterWeb | I did look for staff posts first |
| 16:03:47 | GodEaterWeb | their "Contact us" section is still useless |
| 16:04:10 | dan_a | If it has phone numbers, that's good enough for me! |
| 16:04:54 | dan_a | I've not heard from the Austriamicrosytems guy yet. I hope the request isn't just going to fall into a black hole :( |
| 16:06:05 | GodEaterWeb | what *is* the day job btw dan_a ? |
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| 16:06:35 | * | GodEaterWeb is always curious about what people do IRL |
| 16:07:38 | dan_a | network / systems admin |
| 16:08:09 | GodEaterWeb | for ? |
| 16:11:13 | * | dan_a gets suspicious ;) |
| 16:11:33 | GodEaterWeb | heh - fair enough |
| 16:11:37 | GodEaterWeb | let's say MI6 :) |
| 16:13:27 | kkurbjun | does anyone know what value menu_show returns when you exit out of a menu rather then selecting an option? |
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| 16:16:40 | lowlight | MENU_SELECTED_EXIT ? |
| 16:19:04 | kkurbjun | ahh, great, thanks for that |
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| 16:39:06 | webguest90 | Hello |
| 16:40:13 | webguest90 | is someone now what is cold sart detection for? cause this is missing in Iaudio port, and I don't know if that's importante or not |
| 16:40:53 | webguest90 | I want to switch to rockbox, but still wondering... |
| 16:41:10 | webguest90 | noone? |
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| 16:41:58 | KCC | I was wondering the same, webguest |
| 16:42:06 | KCC | the gigabeat is also missing coldstart detection |
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| 16:42:55 | GodEaterWeb | I would imagine if it's not been included for a given target, it's either not necessary, or not considered very important |
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| 16:43:42 | webguest90 | that's why I wanted to know if someone here now what is it for |
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| 16:44:09 | GodEaterWeb | starting your DAP when the temperature is below freezing ? :) |
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| 16:44:51 | webguest90 | :-) |
| 16:44:55 | perl|work | lol |
| 16:45:05 | webguest90 | goodbye and thx anyway |
| 16:45:24 | webguest90 | I thought that the irc chanel was a technical one ;) |
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| 16:45:28 | GodEaterWeb | t is |
| 16:45:32 | GodEaterWeb | too late |
| 16:45:52 | GodEaterWeb | I can't even find where it's mentioned on the wiki |
| 16:49:15 | perl|work | well that was quick |
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| 16:50:33 | amiconn | Coldstart detection is only for running rockbox from rom with no separate bootloader |
| 16:51:07 | * | linuxstb_ reads about the AV3xx's LCD - 2 YCbCr video planes, 2 bitmap planes (2/4/16/256-color from a YCbCr palette) and a hardware cursor... |
| 16:52:09 | linuxstb_ | ... and transparency for the bitmap planes. |
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| 16:56:18 | lowlight | I see Apple now says Samsung inside iPhone |
| 16:56:57 | perl|work | ? |
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| 16:57:57 | lowlight | some speculation here...http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196900390 |
| 16:58:00 | webguest27 | Will there be a rockbox "firmware" for archos 404? |
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| 17:33:58 | Jazzis | Does anyone know what happened to the Sansa E200 daily build? |
| 17:34:59 | dan_a | Jazzis: The build system is being changed at the moment. There haven't been any major Sansa changes recently anyway. |
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| 18:28:27 | sandeen | can rockbox on an ipod do spoken menus? |
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| 18:30:09 | preglow | myes |
| 18:30:14 | preglow | a bit sluggishly, though |
| 18:31:24 | sandeen | better than nothing for a relative who is blind? |
| 18:31:29 | sandeen | she has an ipod and it is completely worthless |
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| 18:33:39 | preglow | i'd expect it's better than nothing, yes |
| 18:33:43 | preglow | give it a try, it's not much work |
| 18:33:59 | sandeen | you can always go back right :) |
| 18:34:13 | sandeen | is there any mechanism on windows for generating the speech files? |
| 18:34:20 | sandeen | or is there a faq I should be reading... |
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| 18:44:04 | Redbreva | sandeen: You could start from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindUsersIndex |
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| 18:45:05 | sandeen | Redbreva, thanks. Is the ipod a "first class" rockbox citizen, IOW are most rockbox features available on the ipod? |
| 18:45:15 | * | sandeen wanted to get something similar going for the squeezebox too... |
| 18:45:22 | sandeen | but that's neither here nor there :) |
| 18:46:41 | preglow | more or less first class |
| 18:46:51 | preglow | it's got almost all features, but it's kind of slow here and there |
| 18:46:54 | preglow | due to lack of cpu power |
| 18:47:57 | sandeen | ok... thanks. does that mean this bit on the wiki is out of date? "Rockbox boots and runs (with audio playback) on the 4G Photo/color, 4G Grayscale, Nano, 5G/Video and Mini 1G and 2G" |
| 18:47:59 | sandeen | ohsorry |
| 18:48:03 | sandeen | I read "without audio playback" |
| 18:48:05 | sandeen | never mind... |
| 18:48:41 | Redbreva | As someone who just starts a playlist and does not touch it again till it's finished most of the time, I find it easier and faster to use than the apple firmware! |
| 18:48:42 | sandeen | cool, I'll play with it, since it's idle now anyway. |
| 18:48:46 | Mikachu | it should say Nano 1G |
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| 18:49:52 | Redbreva | and don't forget to read the friendly manual http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml ;-) |
| 18:50:47 | sandeen | yes will do :) sorry, always a balance between askinga couple quick questions of knowledgeable people, and RTFM'ing :) |
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| 19:16:01 | Watjee | hm, does rockbox still use power when I've turned my ipod off? |
| 19:16:23 | Watjee | because it has happened several times now that my battery's where empty when I tried to turn it on |
| 19:16:44 | Watjee | and they worked fine when I turned my ipod off |
| 19:17:11 | perl|work | does your tv still show programs when you turn it off? |
| 19:17:25 | Watjee | no, it doesn't |
| 19:17:31 | Watjee | but my tv still consumes a lot of power |
| 19:17:40 | Watjee | when it's in standby |
| 19:17:43 | perl|work | that might as well be applied to rockbox on ipod |
| 19:18:07 | Watjee | that's too bad |
| 19:18:23 | perl|work | minus the stand by mode of course |
| 19:18:32 | perl|work | theres nothing going on when the device is off |
| 19:18:41 | Watjee | hm, very strange then |
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| 19:19:18 | perl|work | how long was the period between you used your unit for the last time? |
| 19:19:34 | Watjee | ~2 hours |
| 19:20:06 | Watjee | my ipod was working fine when I turned it off |
| 19:20:30 | Watjee | and it didn't even boot when I tried to turn it on again |
| 19:20:44 | perl|work | due to the drained battery? |
| 19:20:54 | Watjee | think so |
| 19:21:05 | perl|work | what was the battery status when you turned it off? |
| 19:21:26 | Watjee | uhm, like 40% I think |
| 19:21:28 | perl|work | are you sure you just didnt leave it playing music and it turned itself off? |
| 19:21:48 | linuxstb_ | Watjee: Rockbox should shut down the ipod completely on the ipods. |
| 19:22:16 | Watjee | I'm pretty sure perl|work |
| 19:22:17 | linuxstb_ | i.e. consume no (or negligible) power. |
| 19:22:21 | Watjee | because it has happened before |
| 19:22:31 | Watjee | so I waited until I saw the 'shutting down' notice |
| 19:22:34 | Watjee | and then I turned the lock on |
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| 19:23:22 | perl|work | how old the unit is? was it brand new or refurbished? |
| 19:23:36 | perl|work | what generation? |
| 19:23:55 | Watjee | 4 months, brand new, 5.5gen |
| 19:24:48 | linuxstb_ | Someone else reported a shutdown-related problem on the 5.5g - in that case it would immediately power back up when Rockbox shutdown. |
| 19:25:02 | Watjee | hm, at the forums someone says "I have an Archos Jukebox Recorder 20Gigs and since I flashed it, it seems that the battery life is a lot shorter. I'd say that it gets discharged even when it's turned off." |
| 19:25:19 | Watjee | maybe that's the case |
| 19:25:26 | linuxstb_ | Any problems on the Archos Recorder wouldn't apply to the ipods. |
| 19:25:34 | Watjee | k |
| 19:26:07 | Watjee | but I can't test it right now |
| 19:26:20 | Watjee | because my ipod doesn't charge when I connect it to the usbport |
| 19:26:33 | Watjee | it only says 'ok to disconnect' |
| 19:26:42 | JoeyCape | y does my volume level go up from -58db to 0db and then the image disappears. it doesn't go up till 6db.. |
| 19:26:54 | perl|work | you should fully charge it and test the battery life playing some mp3s dill it drains out |
| 19:27:03 | perl|work | till* |
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| 19:27:53 | perl|work | Watjee was it charging from the same usb port before? |
| 19:27:54 | Watjee | k |
| 19:28:00 | Watjee | yes it was |
| 19:28:07 | Watjee | I've had this problem before |
| 19:28:15 | Slasheri | hmm, svn feels so much better once you get used to it. For example svn diff produces the diff immediately without waiting :) |
| 19:28:21 | Watjee | I had to charge it with my normal charger |
| 19:28:28 | Watjee | and then I could charge it via usb :/ |
| 19:28:49 | perl|work | thats some weird battery behaviour |
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| 19:29:07 | perl|work | did it all come with rockbox? |
| 19:29:13 | JoeyCape | hi can anyone help me with customizing wps? |
| 19:29:26 | Watjee | perl|work: I've never ran out of power before I had rockbox |
| 19:29:30 | Watjee | so I don't know |
| 19:29:55 | perl|work | you should do the same tests with stock firmware and rockbox |
| 19:30:13 | perl|work | and then go from there |
| 19:30:35 | perl|work | just fully charge it and play songs till you drain it |
| 19:30:51 | Watjee | ok |
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| 19:32:02 | perl|work | JoeyCape |
| 19:32:03 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 19:32:13 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
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| 19:35:26 | PaulPosition | From the vmware image, is it possible to apt-get (or something) svn? |
| 19:35:44 | linuxstb_ | Try "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get install subversion" |
| 19:35:46 | JoeyCape | thanks for the link.. i've read them all but they dun seem to clarify my situation.. |
| 19:35:57 | linuxstb_ | (as root) |
| 19:36:07 | JoeyCape | its ok i'll monkey with the images.. i bet its sumthin to do with the images i use |
| 19:36:30 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Thanks, I'll have a try and will rtfm if it doesn't work.. Least I have a hint. :) |
| 19:36:56 | linuxstb_ | PaulPosition: It would be useful know if it works. |
| 19:37:45 | PaulPosition | I'll happily tell you when I'm done. :) |
| 19:41:07 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - Went like a charm. Of course the image file inflated a bit but I'm checking out rockbox-devel right now and it went sweetly :) |
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| 19:42:27 | PaulPosition | linuxstb: thanks. |
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| 19:52:31 | x1jmp | why does the bootloader "sometimes" load the iriver firmware after the reset button was pressed? |
| 19:52:42 | x1jmp | on the H1X0 |
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| 21:16:26 | webguest60 | when u have rockbox on your 30gb ipod can u switch it from rockbox to back to normal ipod without uninstalling rockbox from your ipod |
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| 21:18:11 | Febs | yes |
| 21:18:23 | webguest60 | how |
| 21:18:43 | Febs | Turn on the ipod and then immediately turn on the "hold" switch. |
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| 21:19:49 | webguest60 | thats it? |
| 21:21:25 | Febs | Yes. |
| 21:21:40 | webguest60 | cool |
| 21:22:01 | webguest60 | anyway u can see your songs the same way u do on ur ipod format |
| 21:22:28 | webguest60 | i have trouble trying to find them |
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| 21:22:45 | webguest12 | hi |
| 21:23:06 | Febs | webguest60: Use the database. The manual explains how this works. |
| 21:23:44 | webguest12 | is there any way to play halflife on your ipod using rockbox? |
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| 21:24:32 | webguest12 | or is there any way to play counter strike on your ipod using rockbox? |
| 21:24:44 | webguest60 | lol |
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| 21:26:15 | GodEater | webguest12: you're kidding right ? |
| 21:26:45 | webguest12 | no |
| 21:26:55 | GodEater | well the answer is no |
| 21:27:04 | webguest12 | ive seen it done on idoom tho |
| 21:27:28 | webguest12 | wouldnt it be the same thing for rockdoom? |
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| 21:33:59 | Redbreva | I am getting a message that VMware tools is out of date on the latest vmware image... anyone know how to re-install them? |
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| 21:36:41 | amiconn | Slasheri: RED! |
| 21:37:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: fixing : ) |
| 21:37:21 | GodEater | Redbreva: do you even know what they do ? |
| 21:37:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, build tables did not update yet |
| 21:37:53 | amiconn | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 21:38:01 | Redbreva | supposed to make graphics and mose work better is my understanding |
| 21:38:03 | Slasheri | oh! |
| 21:38:10 | Redbreva | mose! mouse even |
| 21:38:12 | Slasheri | that is moved to a new place |
| 21:38:21 | * | amiconn is a bit disappointed regarding the svn move |
| 21:38:42 | GodEater | Redbreva: do you know where the "Install VMWare Tools" option is in the VMWare menu? |
| 21:38:42 | amiconn | The most important page is only half-working and not yet linked properly |
| 21:38:45 | Slasheri | i like the svn, it works much better than cvs did |
| 21:38:46 | Redbreva | yep - done that |
| 21:39:07 | amiconn | Slasheri: I am referring to the move, not svn itself |
| 21:39:15 | GodEater | Redbreva: ok, then run "dmesg" from a command prompt inside the running vmware image |
| 21:39:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, i understand |
| 21:39:20 | GodEater | (as root) |
| 21:39:36 | Redbreva | OK, done |
| 21:39:41 | Slasheri | ah, it seems it's time to commit the bootloader also |
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| 21:47:38 | Slasheri | now i need someone with H120/H140 to double test the new bootloader before i put it in IriverFlashing wiki |
| 21:48:22 | Slasheri | it should work fine (i have tried all possible things i could imagine) |
| 21:48:24 | GodEater | what's different about this version ? |
| 21:48:57 | Slasheri | it supports actually running rockbox from ROM, plenty of minor bugfixes and a new failsafe menu system |
| 21:49:12 | GodEater | I've got my iriver rombox'd already |
| 21:49:16 | GodEater | does that matter ? |
| 21:49:32 | Slasheri | no, i doubt you have romboxed it |
| 21:49:37 | Slasheri | you have actually ramboxed it :) |
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| 21:49:59 | GodEater | hehe ok |
| 21:50:06 | GodEater | but will that matter ? :) |
| 21:50:19 | Slasheri | it shouldn't matter, anyway you need to upgrade bootloader if you want continue using rockbox from flash |
| 21:50:29 | Slasheri | would you like to try? |
| 21:50:30 | GodEater | well alrighty then - I'll test it |
| 21:50:36 | Slasheri | great :) |
| 21:50:42 | GodEater | gimme a few |
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| 21:50:48 | Slasheri | just do a fresh svn checkout, and i will send the bootloader image to you |
| 21:51:17 | icu | how does one read the changelogs for the svn builds ? |
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| 21:51:30 | Slasheri | svn log -v −−limit 3 |
| 21:51:35 | Slasheri | something like that |
| 21:51:55 | * | GodEater starts his checkout |
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| 21:53:50 | roolku | Slasheri: has the bootloader or anything related changed? I have been running rombox for ages :) |
| 21:53:57 | GodEater | slasheri: checked out |
| 21:54:01 | GodEater | hit me with the image |
| 21:54:08 | Slasheri | roolku: yes, you should upgrade now too :) |
| 21:54:11 | x1jmp | what's the advantage of having rockbox in ROM, and what do you mean with ramboxed? |
| 21:54:19 | Slasheri | GodEater: ok, i will try dcc |
| 21:54:23 | pixelma | icu: they are available on the frontpage since last night too |
| 21:54:32 | icu | tks |
| 21:54:42 | roolku | Slasheri: okay, reversing patch - svn up |
| 21:54:45 | Llorean | x1jmp: There are three ways you can boot Rockbox |
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| 21:55:28 | Llorean | x1jmp: 1) Bootloader in ROM loads rockbox from disk into RAM, 2)Bootloader in ROM loads Rockbox from ROM into RAM (faster boot, no spinup), 3) Rockbox executes from ROM (still fast bootup, a little more free audio buffer) |
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| 21:55:38 | GodEater | got it |
| 21:55:39 | Slasheri | roolku: great, i will send the image to you also to try :) |
| 21:55:40 | webguest01 | question |
| 21:55:52 | pixelma | icu: (but only the latest activity so far) |
| 21:56:02 | webguest01 | when loading rockbox it says error no playlist control, what do i need to do |
| 21:56:05 | Slasheri | roolku: please try it after GodEater has verified it does not brick the player :) |
| 21:56:34 | Slasheri | or the other way |
| 21:56:55 | x1jmp | sounds interesting, I'd also like to test that bootloader :) |
| 21:57:07 | webguest01 | mouser u ther |
| 21:57:14 | Slasheri | x1jmp: check the IriverFlashing wiki page |
| 21:57:23 | webguest01 | when loading rockbox it says error no playlist control, what do i need to do |
| 21:57:27 | roolku | Slasheri: sorry I seem to have messed up the dcc can you try again please |
| 21:57:36 | Slasheri | roolku: ok :) |
| 21:57:53 | Slasheri | roolku: does it work now? |
| 21:57:53 | icu | is this http://build.rockbox.org/ the page for bleeding edge builds from now onwards ? |
| 21:57:59 | Llorean | webguest01: It's not a major concern. That shouldn't affect your use. |
| 21:58:11 | webguest01 | well where r my files |
| 21:58:19 | Llorean | webguest01: Have you read the manual? |
| 21:58:24 | Llorean | They're wherever you put them. |
| 21:58:24 | webguest01 | yes |
| 21:58:40 | webguest01 | should be in ipodcontrol? |
| 21:58:49 | roolku | strange I have set it to accept files of type *.iriver |
| 21:59:02 | GodEater | Slasheri: I have to boot the iriver firmware to install this bootloader right ? |
| 21:59:10 | Llorean | webguest01: If you synced with iTunes yes. Read the section on using the database, because the filenames will not be human usable. |
| 21:59:18 | Slasheri | GodEater: no, just use the fresh rockbox from svn |
| 21:59:19 | Llorean | icu: Yes. |
| 21:59:27 | icu | tks |
| 21:59:36 | webguest01 | it was working last night and i took it all off |
| 21:59:37 | GodEater | ok - one sec |
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| 21:59:53 | Slasheri | GodEater: and please follow the wiki page |
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| 22:00:08 | * | GodEater builds it |
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| 22:00:47 | webguest01 | how come when i go to file view and click on show music files nothin comes up |
| 22:00:51 | icu | Slasheri, are you going to put the bootloader on the iriverflashing page |
| 22:01:08 | Llorean | webguest01: You still have to be in the same folder as your music. |
| 22:01:12 | roolku | Slasheri: I have now set it to accept *.* could you try again please (stupid irc) |
| 22:01:13 | Slasheri | icu: yes, after it has been verified working fine |
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| 22:01:28 | Slasheri | roolku: hehe, coming now :) |
| 22:01:38 | webguest01 | what do u mena |
| 22:01:46 | Slasheri | roolku: now it worked :) |
| 22:01:47 | roolku | thats better :) |
| 22:02:03 | GodEater | Slasheri: which wiki page you want me to follow explicitly? |
| 22:02:04 | icu | does one have to patch a build for iriver rombox ? |
| 22:02:09 | Llorean | webguest01: It's a file browser... you have to browse to where the music is. All setting it to "Music" does, is hide non-music files. You still have to browse the filetree. |
| 22:02:12 | Slasheri | GodEater: IriverFlashing |
| 22:02:33 | Slasheri | icu: no |
| 22:02:58 | webguest01 | how do u get to the file tree then |
| 22:03:32 | Llorean | webguest01: It's what you're looking at, on the screen. |
| 22:03:42 | Llorean | webguest01: Please, read the manual again. This time pay more attention to it. |
| 22:03:44 | * | GodEater remembers this page now |
| 22:04:20 | webguest01 | should u see the ipodcontrol folder on screen as a selection? |
| 22:04:27 | roolku | Slasheri: my old (patched) iriver_flash refused to flash the boot loader ... still compiling the new one |
| 22:04:47 | Llorean | webguest01: I believe that folder is by default hidden. |
| 22:04:49 | linuxstb | webguest01: The ipod_control folder is hidden, so is only visible with "show all" |
| 22:05:07 | linuxstb | But it's not very interesting - if you have music in there, you are better of using the database. |
| 22:05:09 | webguest01 | k |
| 22:05:32 | webguest01 | there now i see it |
| 22:06:06 | webguest01 | anyway to have it say the names of the songs just like the ipod would? |
| 22:06:11 | Slasheri | roolku: yep, you need the new one :) |
| 22:06:30 | Llorean | webguest01: You've now had two people recommend database to you... and it basically does what you just asked for. |
| 22:07:06 | webguest01 | i found the database |
| 22:07:51 | webguest01 | but instead of it saying fld 1 or whatever and not the whole song name just some letters, how to make it show the whole name of the song when u r searching for a song |
| 22:08:15 | Llorean | webguest01: Use Database. It's a feature of Rockbox |
| 22:08:19 | linuxstb | Use the database - read the manual... |
| 22:08:26 | Llorean | What you're seeing is not "the database" or "a database", you're just seeing files. |
| 22:08:55 | webguest01 | what section do i read then |
| 22:09:04 | Llorean | webguest01: Search for "database" |
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| 22:10:15 | webguest01 | so i need to load it the correct? |
| 22:10:29 | Llorean | Follow the instructions in the manual. |
| 22:10:55 | linuxstb | webguest01: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-350004.2 |
| 22:13:38 | webguest01 | Export modifications. |
| 22:13:38 | webguest01 | This allows for the runtime data to be exported into |
| 22:13:38 | webguest01 | Import modifications. |
| 22:13:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK webguest01 |
| 22:13:38 | webguest01 | Allows the /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt backup to be conveniently loaded into the database. This is performed automatically when the database is initialised |
| 22:13:49 | webguest01 | do u recommend doing this |
| 22:13:52 | webguest01 | Export modifications. |
| 22:13:54 | webguest01 | This allows for the runtime data to be exported into |
| 22:13:54 | webguest01 | Import modifications. |
| 22:13:54 | webguest01 | Allows the /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt backup to be conveniently loaded into the database. This is performed automatically when the database is initialised |
| 22:14:01 | webguest01 | oops |
| 22:14:17 | webguest01 | do i need to does thoese exported and imported things |
| 22:14:35 | Llorean | No. |
| 22:14:40 | webguest01 | ok |
| 22:14:51 | Llorean | Please do not paste multiple lines into the channel, even once. |
| 22:15:43 | Soap | Oh lord, VMware player doesn't like my AMD K-6 III. |
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| 22:15:56 | x1jmp | both ram and romboxing mean deleting the original firmware? |
| 22:16:20 | Slasheri | x1jmp: of course, there is no room for the original fw |
| 22:16:44 | GodEater | oh dear.... |
| 22:17:01 | Slasheri | GodEater: hmm, did you succeed? |
| 22:17:16 | amiconn | Slasheri: If we knew how the of is loaded to ram so that we could handle that ourselves, it would be possible to retain the of |
| 22:17:28 | GodEater | it just seems to have got stuck at the point where it says "loading firmware" |
| 22:17:35 | amiconn | Either by loading from disk, i.e. rolo, or by having a compressed image in rom |
| 22:17:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: but can we know it doesn't use anything from the flash, images or something like that? |
| 22:17:52 | GodEater | ah |
| 22:17:54 | GodEater | my fault |
| 22:18:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:18:01 | * | GodEater reads the new bit on the wiki page |
| 22:18:04 | Slasheri | GodEater: how did it got stuck? |
| 22:18:20 | DinCahill | hi. I'm getting a Rockbox Error -1 after installing the bootloader on my Grayscale 4G iPod. Some research into it has told me that i need to extract all the files onto the ipod (i stupidly mised that bit in the manual). It seems that holding the middle button and menu put it in disk mode (the charging icon comes up) but the charging icon isnt moving and the disk isnt showing up in windows |
| 22:18:28 | roolku | Slasheri: bootloader flashed ok |
| 22:18:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: if it uses fonts or something like that directly from flash, then it would not be possible |
| 22:19:03 | amiconn | True, but I doubt that it does this |
| 22:19:10 | Slasheri | roolku: nice :) is it working fine? |
| 22:19:16 | Mikachu | DinCahill: you want to menu+select then when it reboots press select+play |
| 22:19:23 | DinCahill | thanks |
| 22:19:41 | DinCahill | a press or a hold? |
| 22:20:01 | Slasheri | GodEater: did you got it working? |
| 22:20:22 | GodEater | ep |
| 22:20:24 | GodEater | yep |
| 22:20:27 | GodEater | awesome :) |
| 22:20:28 | Slasheri | good |
| 22:20:32 | Slasheri | what was the problem? |
| 22:20:34 | Mikachu | DinCahill: hold |
| 22:20:51 | DinCahill | doesnt seem to do it |
| 22:20:51 | roolku | Slasheri: all working fine :) |
| 22:20:56 | Slasheri | roolku: nice :) |
| 22:21:00 | DinCahill | this while its at the apple logo or charging icon? |
| 22:21:06 | Mikachu | before both of those |
| 22:21:08 | GodEater | Slasheri: I even inadvertently made sure it's possible to succeed having rebooted before flashing either RAM or ROM image |
| 22:21:20 | DinCahill | right |
| 22:21:23 | GodEater | hmmm |
| 22:21:32 | GodEater | although the ROM image doesn't appear to be booting |
| 22:21:33 | DinCahill | i'll let it go back into the rebooting mode |
| 22:21:51 | GodEater | it's displaying the rockbox logo |
| 22:21:52 | Slasheri | GodEater: ah, then no wonder it didn't work. It tried to load original FW and got stuck |
| 22:21:59 | GodEater | but then keeps spinning the disk |
| 22:22:08 | Slasheri | GodEater: hmm, so ROM image gets stuck but ram image works? |
| 22:22:31 | GodEater | slasheri: unknown |
| 22:22:36 | GodEater | haven't got to the ram image yet |
| 22:22:37 | GodEater | gimme a few |
| 22:22:39 | Slasheri | ok |
| 22:22:57 | GodEater | yep |
| 22:22:57 | GodEater | RAM works |
| 22:22:59 | GodEater | ROM doesn't it seems |
| 22:23:02 | GodEater | I'll try again to make sure |
| 22:23:04 | Slasheri | ok, then that's weird.. |
| 22:23:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, is it possible to flash back the of? |
| 22:23:07 | DinCahill | Mikachu: worked. nice. |
| 22:23:07 | Slasheri | ROM works fine for me |
| 22:23:14 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, it has always been possible to do that |
| 22:23:22 | amiconn | (without removing the bootloader) |
| 22:23:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: would you like to try that rom image thing? |
| 22:23:25 | Slasheri | yes |
| 22:23:33 | Slasheri | bootloader is always kept |
| 22:23:36 | * | amiconn didn't try flashing the H140 at all so far |
| 22:24:16 | x1jmp | Slasheri: could you send me the bootloader? |
| 22:24:19 | GodEater | ROM definitely isn't working here |
| 22:24:27 | Slasheri | x1jmp: ok, just a moment |
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| 22:24:55 | Slasheri | x1jmp: here, please test too if the rom image works |
| 22:25:36 | GodEater | Slasheri: sorry - appears to be my fault too - battery was too low |
| 22:25:50 | icu | yikes |
| 22:25:53 | x1jmp | Slasheri: I'll try it |
| 22:25:54 | GodEater | I plugged it into the juice wire again and it booted in both |
| 22:25:54 | Slasheri | GodEater: uh.. you flashed the bootloader too with a low battery? |
| 22:26:00 | Slasheri | that's _very_ bad |
| 22:26:15 | GodEater | I know |
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| 22:26:23 | GodEater | but I didn't know it was low till after I'd done it =/ |
| 22:26:23 | Slasheri | fortunately it still works |
| 22:26:23 | amiconn | Slasheri: the flash plugin should check battery_level_dangerous() and refuse to flash if so |
| 22:26:37 | amiconn | The archos flash plugins do so |
| 22:26:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: there is a check, or should be.. but i am not sure if it works correctly |
| 22:26:45 | * | GodEater doesn't like the iriver's power supply |
| 22:26:56 | GodEater | I'd just picked it up |
| 22:26:59 | amiconn | ok, hmm |
| 22:27:00 | GodEater | from where it had been plugged in |
| 22:27:03 | GodEater | but not turned off |
| 22:27:12 | GodEater | the battery had charged |
| 22:27:29 | GodEater | and then discharged again when the charging circuit went off |
| 22:27:38 | GodEater | I keep forgetting the iriver does that |
| 22:27:44 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:28:02 | GodEater | amiconn: it had been plugged in for days |
| 22:28:03 | Slasheri | hmm, it sounds like you might have a bad battery |
| 22:28:10 | GodEater | I know I do |
| 22:28:15 | GodEater | that's why I bought an ipod |
| 22:28:27 | GodEater | it's also why I didn't mind testing this |
| 22:28:30 | GodEater | incase of brickage |
| 22:28:35 | GodEater | since I don't use the iriver |
| 22:28:42 | amiconn | The charging circuit prevents permanent charging, but if the battery goes down a few percent, it tops off again |
| 22:28:44 | roolku | Slasheri: bootloader now shows battery voltage |
| 22:28:53 | alberink | Hmmm... I've had the very same symptoms: have it charge on USB but return after a day and a half of so it is dead... |
| 22:28:58 | Slasheri | roolku: yep, it does. Also in usb mode :) |
| 22:28:58 | GodEater | amiconn: in that case mines' definitely broken |
| 22:28:58 | alberink | I have a H300 |
| 22:29:07 | amiconn | alberink: The H1xx doesn't charge from usb |
| 22:29:12 | alberink | H320, to be precise |
| 22:29:19 | icu | nice feaure, battery volts in usb mode |
| 22:29:19 | alberink | Ah, OK. I didn't know that |
| 22:29:35 | amiconn | Yes, H3x0 does charge from usb, but only slowly when in rockbox |
| 22:29:37 | alberink | But is that functionality as designed? <just wondering> |
| 22:29:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:29:52 | amiconn | The H1xx hardware is not able to charge from usb |
| 22:30:13 | DinCahill | need a reboot |
| 22:30:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: would you like test too if i send the image? :) |
| 22:30:20 | alberink | The shutting charging off when fully charged via USB, I meant. |
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| 22:31:51 | * | amiconn is somewhat hesitant |
| 22:32:08 | * | GodEater poo poos amiconn's hesitancy |
| 22:32:16 | amiconn | The H140 is my main home rockbox, because it's the best swcodec box I have for that purpose |
| 22:32:17 | GodEater | it worked on a nearly dead H140 :) |
| 22:32:22 | GodEater | how bad can it be :) |
| 22:32:32 | amiconn | Due to spdif out I don't have to rely on the mediocre dac |
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| 22:34:34 | * | GodEater wills amiconn to try it |
| 22:35:39 | x1jmp | I think I've just started the bootloader using rolo, is it safe to reset (it says "Executing" and doesn't stop)? |
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| 22:37:20 | roolku | 5s from button press to sound with rombox :) |
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| 22:38:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: indeed. If you never use the OF, i think you would like the rombox a lot :) |
| 22:38:30 | Mikachu | i have 7s on my nano if anyone cares, last time i tried |
| 22:38:51 | Slasheri | and has a way better boot up time and fast resume button response |
| 22:38:53 | amiconn | Slasheri: I have no reason to use the of on H1x0 (unlike on H3x0) |
| 22:39:20 | GodEater | then rombox it |
| 22:40:55 | roolku | with rombox I don't see the need to have rockbox in rom as well - it just gets outdated quickly as I don't update it as often as rombox |
| 22:41:27 | Slasheri | roolku: i would suggest keeping it in rom just in case. You don't have to use it |
| 22:41:39 | Slasheri | but it has secured with the bootloaders reset cookie system |
| 22:41:40 | GodEater | it's useful as a fail safe |
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| 22:41:50 | Slasheri | even is bootloader fails, it should be able to load rombox |
| 22:41:53 | roolku | any chance of getting the codecs (and plugins?) in rom as well? :) |
| 22:41:59 | amiconn | The on-disk version should be failsafe enough |
| 22:42:21 | floppyears | hi, do any of you guys listen to podcasts ? |
| 22:42:31 | amiconn | The most important thing is to make sure bootloader usb can be enabled if anything else fails |
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| 22:42:43 | GodEater | amiconn - well i tested that feature |
| 22:42:46 | GodEater | it worked fine |
| 22:43:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: that should always work. And using bootloader usb mode overrides most of the advanced features of the bootloader |
| 22:43:32 | roolku | I think the most important is to be able to boot from disk without any button interaction |
| 22:43:51 | Slasheri | and that is possible with the usb mode |
| 22:43:58 | roolku | you can always get another image on disk somehow, but if your rom image is stuffed |
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| 22:48:19 | x1jmp | the bootloader works fine on my iriver |
| 22:48:47 | Slasheri | good, maybe it's safe to upload it to the wiki now |
| 22:49:08 | x1jmp | although I don't see that startup got much faster |
| 22:49:23 | Slasheri | x1jmp: you already had rockbox in flash? |
| 22:49:30 | GodEater | Slasheri - I think you're safe |
| 22:50:05 | Slasheri | x1jmp: or did you flash it yet at all? =) |
| 22:50:07 | x1jmp | Slasheri: I opened both rockbox and rombox.iriver with iriver_flash |
| 22:50:25 | x1jmp | Slasheri: and set RAM as default boot method |
| 22:50:49 | Slasheri | ah, ok |
| 22:51:29 | Slasheri | there should be something like 3s difference in boot time if you have dircache enabled and some "heavy" wps |
| 22:51:37 | x1jmp | I still needs to spin up the disk to show the / directory, how does dircache hibernation work? |
| 22:51:52 | Slasheri | and the most obvious difference is the resume button response time |
| 22:51:58 | Slasheri | it works almost immediately after boot |
| 22:52:22 | x1jmp | Slasheri: btw an the backlight fades immediatly :) |
| 22:52:23 | Slasheri | x1jmp: you need more than one boot for it to activate |
| 22:52:31 | Slasheri | then dircache no longer scans the disk at boot |
| 22:53:29 | x1jmp | that's sound strange, how often do I have to reboot? :) |
| 22:53:45 | Slasheri | twice should be enough |
| 22:54:22 | x1jmp | It's now the fourth time it said scanning disk |
| 22:54:28 | Slasheri | at least it saves battery a little when disk no longer needs to be scanned every time |
| 22:54:34 | Slasheri | oh! |
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| 22:54:41 | Slasheri | then dircache does not work at all |
| 22:54:57 | Slasheri | how many files do you have on the player? |
| 22:55:06 | x1jmp | I have some strange file, which I'm not able to delete... |
| 22:55:19 | x1jmp | s/file/files |
| 22:55:25 | Slasheri | you should try scanning disk for errors from PC |
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| 22:55:41 | Slasheri | and also check you don't have too deep directory structure |
| 22:56:44 | x1jmp | that could be the case, rockbox doesn't delete that folder and on my linux box it says "file does not exist" |
| 22:57:18 | Slasheri | yep, then FAT is just probably corrupted somehow |
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| 22:57:43 | Slasheri | and i can image the boot time is terrible if dircache blocks at scanning disk screen every time |
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| 22:58:49 | x1jmp | yes, it is. How much is the difference on startup between working dircache and no dircache? |
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| 22:59:34 | Slasheri | with working dircache vs no dircache enabled at all, it's something like 1-2s improvement with dircache |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:03 | Slasheri | but with non-working dircache, it could make the boot something like 10s longer than usually |
| 23:01:32 | Slasheri | with working ram/rombox, boot time is something like 4-5s |
| 23:01:34 | Mikachu | why does the scan have to block? |
| 23:01:48 | Slasheri | it's the initial scan, which never succeeds |
| 23:01:50 | Slasheri | for allocating memory |
| 23:02:26 | x1jmp | I have boot time around 6-7 seconds without dircache |
| 23:02:27 | Mikachu | ah right, the memory |
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| 23:03:29 | Slasheri | x1jmp: sounds normal. You might try with dircache also |
| 23:03:38 | Slasheri | it helps especially if you have a big wps |
| 23:04:25 | x1jmp | is the dircache also stored in ROM? |
| 23:04:29 | Mikachu | nobody did .zip/.tar wps yet? :) |
| 23:04:40 | Slasheri | x1jmp: no, it's loaded from disk |
| 23:05:14 | Slasheri | but it caches fat start clusters for files, and that makes open() fast |
| 23:05:24 | Bagder | Mikachu: bluebrother did work on that |
| 23:05:28 | x1jmp | what exactly does the database & dircache hibernation mean? |
| 23:05:31 | Slasheri | big wps files have lot of files to load -> lot of slow calls to open() |
| 23:06:37 | Slasheri | x1jmp: saving the data structure from ram to disk, and loading it at boottime from disk |
| 23:06:46 | Slasheri | that is very fast compared to building the structure from scratch |
| 23:07:37 | Slasheri | IriverFlashing wiki updated, lets hope it works |
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| 23:08:42 | Noah0504 | Hey all. |
| 23:08:50 | Soap | Is anyone else using QEUM instead of VMware Player? |
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| 23:09:57 | x1jmp | Slasheri: shouldn't hibernation be possible without rombox? |
| 23:10:10 | icu | Slasheri, what do I save the bootloader file from the wiki as ?, i see it opens in a text format |
| 23:10:36 | Slasheri | x1jmp: nope, disk might be modified outside rockbox by bootloader usb mode or OF |
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| 23:10:57 | Slasheri | x1jmp: and with OF present, we don't have access to the EEPROM memory to flag if disk is intact |
| 23:11:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:11:29 | Slasheri | icu: you should "save as" it as bootloader.iriver |
| 23:11:49 | Alonea | hey, is there a way to get nano to show line numbers, or another thing that wil? |
| 23:12:38 | Bagder | 33 committers in svn now |
| 23:13:25 | perl|work | 33 committers = 1 jesus ? |
| 23:13:49 | Mikachu | Alonea: use a real text editor, like vim h) |
| 23:13:58 | Mikachu | :)* |
| 23:14:39 | Alonea | Mikachu: is vim a thing for cygwin or no? still quite new to all this. I do try though |
| 23:15:20 | Mikachu | i think there is vim for windows too |
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| 23:17:12 | Alonea | Mikachu: oh, its outside of cygwin? |
| 23:17:24 | Mikachu | i was assuming you were on linux at the time |
| 23:18:02 | x1jmp | there's vim for cygwin, just install it the cygwin way |
| 23:18:20 | Alonea | ah, nope. still on windows, shall look at making my laptop a linux box in around a month. |
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| 23:18:55 | Alonea | x1jmp: ok, I see it on the list. How do I call it up? vim filename or what? |
| 23:19:14 | x1jmp | yes |
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| 23:19:45 | Alonea | ok, thanks. shall see if that works better for me. nano makes my life hell.. |
| 23:20:00 | Mikachu | vim has sort of a high learning curve |
| 23:20:30 | Alonea | Mikachu: I will look at it and see if it reminds me of anything I have used previously. |
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| 23:21:45 | Alonea | Mikachu: I am used to programs that have "high learning curves". Comes with doing animation for a couple years. |
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| 23:22:50 | icu | nah i'm going to chicken out from updating the bootloader, due to the *important* note in the iriverflash wiki |
| 23:23:25 | Alonea | x1jmp: Ok, is there a help file to explain shortcuts for vim? |
| 23:24:25 | Slasheri | icu: hmm, that note just means that you don't want to press rec button until there is a working rockbox image in flash |
| 23:24:36 | Slasheri | icu: unless you still have the OF present |
| 23:24:51 | Mikachu | Alonea: http://jmcpherson.org/editing.html (though i haven't read it yet) |
| 23:25:08 | icu | ok |
| 23:25:34 | x1jmp | Alonea: you could try this guide http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vi-guide.xml , it helps to print the graphic at the end and keep it at the desk |
| 23:25:35 | Slasheri | it's there to avoid people think their player has been bricked or something like that |
| 23:26:06 | icu | do i have to load the latest bleeding edge as well ? |
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| 23:26:18 | Slasheri | yes, absolutely |
| 23:26:26 | icu | ok |
| 23:26:36 | Slasheri | the old plugin refuses to work |
| 23:27:36 | icu | i see in the SVN notes that you have disabled flashing though |
| 23:27:47 | x1jmp | Slasheri: How do I call the boot menu the choose the boot method? |
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| 23:27:53 | Slasheri | for H110/H115 |
| 23:28:01 | icu | ah thanks |
| 23:28:01 | Alonea | screw it. I want a windows version instead of a black and white thing in cygwin. |
| 23:28:07 | Slasheri | it has never worked/been fully enabled for those players |
| 23:28:13 | Slasheri | because nobody has tested it |
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| 23:29:20 | desowin | for anyone who uses QTScrobbler - 0.2 was just released |
| 23:29:37 | Mikachu | haha, the help files for vim are funny in places |
| 23:29:39 | Mikachu | :nunmap can also be used outside of a monastery. |
| 23:29:41 | Slasheri | x1jmp: use the hold button |
| 23:29:56 | Slasheri | and then power up |
| 23:30:40 | Alonea | Mikachu: I am guessing you use one with a gui? just trying to figure out what vim to download. @@... |
| 23:31:00 | Mikachu | yeah, i use gvim |
| 23:31:18 | Mikachu | sometimes it helps to use the mouse, and you get more colors for syntax hilight |
| 23:31:35 | decayedcell | to connect to svn on linux do we need subversion + subversion utils? |
| 23:32:00 | Bagder | what's "subversion utils" ? |
| 23:32:00 | bagawk | Alonea: be sure to read lots of docs, vim is a crazy (but awesome) tool |
| 23:32:21 | decayedcell | subversion-tools* |
| 23:32:23 | decayedcell | i meant |
| 23:32:24 | decayedcell | lol |
| 23:32:29 | Bagder | and what's that? |
| 23:32:38 | Bagder | you only need svn |
| 23:32:46 | decayedcell | assorted tools related to subversion |
| 23:32:47 | Bagder | but a few other tools might be handy |
| 23:32:48 | decayedcell | okies |
| 23:32:51 | Alonea | gvim it is. I used to code in java a few years back with jcreator. this looks alright. really I just want to be able to look through code and compile the damn file. *grumbles* and see line numbers...line numbers are nice |
| 23:33:34 | pixelma | Alonea: why not use a windows text editor that can handle the correct line endings as well (e.g. notepad++ which can also show linenumbers)? |
| 23:34:01 | Mikachu | vim preserves dos line endings |
| 23:34:09 | Mikachu | (and lets you convert either way) |
| 23:34:19 | decayedcell | how do i mount a drive in linux |
| 23:34:30 | Mikachu | mount /dev/xxx /mnt/yyy |
| 23:34:45 | Alonea | pixelma: I can't get notepad to display anything correctly. it looks bunched together. |
| 23:35:02 | pixelma | notepad++ isn't notepad |
| 23:35:14 | Alonea | oh, didn't see that. |
| 23:35:44 | Alonea | i will look at both and see what goes |
| 23:35:55 | decayedcell | mm Mikachu wats the yyy |
| 23:36:03 | decayedcell | i suppose xxx is the sda? |
| 23:36:14 | Mikachu | if you want to mount an ipod, it's usually sda2 |
| 23:36:20 | Mikachu | yyy is any empty directory on your filesystem |
| 23:36:29 | decayedcell | im mounting a hard drive |
| 23:36:36 | Bagder | its the same |
| 23:36:37 | icu | Slasheri: I selected bootloader.iriver and the screen is stuck on ROLO.... Executing |
| 23:36:38 | decayedcell | i resized one of my partitions |
| 23:36:42 | Mikachu | then you want to know which partition you want to mount first |
| 23:36:47 | decayedcell | yeah its sda5 |
| 23:36:54 | x1jmp | icu: just reset |
| 23:36:55 | petur | desowin: any chance for a prebuild w32 binary of qtscrobbler? |
| 23:37:06 | Slasheri | icu: you should not select it, but hold down select |
| 23:37:16 | Slasheri | and then select iriver_flash plugin as instructed in the wiki |
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| 23:39:16 | desowin | petur: compiling qt4 under wine |
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| 23:39:43 | desowin | petur: please join QTScrobbler group on last.fm if you uses it :-) |
| 23:39:51 | icu | Slasheri: its says incompatable version |
| 23:39:54 | x1jmp | Is the time dircache takes to load much dependant on the number of files? |
| 23:40:23 | Slasheri | icu: hmm, are you sure you have the latest bleeding edge of rockbox you are running? |
| 23:40:41 | Slasheri | from builds.rockbox.org |
| 23:40:50 | Slasheri | those "cvs builds" no longer works |
| 23:40:55 | icu | do i flash the latest bleeding edge first ? |
| 23:41:07 | Bagder | the cvs builds page now redirects to the new place |
| 23:41:16 | petur | desowin: sure.... maybe a good thing to add prebuild versions on sourceforge download for 'normal' users |
| 23:41:16 | Slasheri | icu: just install it |
| 23:41:42 | Alonea | pixelma: thanks. looks good so far. |
| 23:41:42 | icu | it is installed, I rolo'd it |
| 23:42:00 | Slasheri | why did you rolo'd to it? |
| 23:42:05 | desowin | petur: there was 0.1 prebuild win32 release, it was out some days after .tar.gz was released though |
| 23:42:05 | Slasheri | you need to update all plugins also |
| 23:42:15 | petur | ok |
| 23:42:17 | Slasheri | copying rockbox.iriver is not enough |
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| 23:42:50 | webguest01 | where else can u get rockbox themes at? |
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| 23:43:07 | * | dune2 is away: time for diner .... ;) |
| 23:43:12 | desowin | petur: I don't have windows box |
| 23:43:27 | icu | i have done that, I copied the latest to my player, along with bootloader.iriver from the iriverflashing page |
| 23:43:42 | petur | desowin: guess what I have here ;) |
| 23:43:47 | decayedcell | er |
| 23:43:57 | decayedcell | now mount says i need to specify fs type |
| 23:44:09 | Bagder | yes you should |
| 23:44:12 | desowin | petur: Mac OS X :D |
| 23:44:13 | Slasheri | icu: weird.. did you check the md5sum of the bootloader.iriver if it matches? |
| 23:44:22 | desowin | am I right ? |
| 23:44:24 | decayedcell | wats the commandline option for it |
| 23:44:27 | webguest01 | where else can u get rockbox themes at? |
| 23:44:29 | Slasheri | it should be same than in the wiki |
| 23:44:30 | icu | no, |
| 23:44:33 | Bagder | decayedcell: an easier way is to add the info in /etc/fstab and then just mount the dir |
| 23:44:35 | petur | desowin: W2K |
| 23:44:37 | Slasheri | otherwise flash plugin refuses to work |
| 23:44:48 | Alonea | pixelma: does it happen to have a debugger? |
| 23:45:03 | x1jmp | icu: did you overwrite all existing files? |
| 23:45:09 | desowin | petur: are you experienced with qt ? |
| 23:45:17 | petur | desowin: nope |
| 23:45:30 | desowin | oh, ok, so wait some time and it'll be out |
| 23:45:35 | petur | what do I need to build it all? |
| 23:45:36 | icu | no i deleted old first then copied new |
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| 23:45:52 | pixelma | Alonea: sorry - I don't know what exactly you mean |
| 23:45:59 | petur | the answer: time :/ |
| 23:46:06 | webguest01 | mouser |
| 23:46:35 | Slasheri | icu: check the md5sum of the bootloader.iriver. Either the file is bad or you have not installed the latest bleeding edge |
| 23:46:46 | Slasheri | The checksum must be 01e1f9e812bb9811bfbba8fa3681ea15 |
| 23:46:47 | Alonea | pixelma: like, will it scan it for basic syntax errors, etc? |
| 23:46:59 | icu | maybe my problem is the was my browser is aving the bootloader.iriver file from the wiki |
| 23:47:03 | Slasheri | that might be possible |
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| 23:47:53 | icu | you know I dont know enough about computers so before i brick the thing i'm going to stop |
| 23:48:04 | Slasheri | :) |
| 23:48:08 | Slasheri | i need to go sleeping too |
| 23:48:11 | icu | and use the old flash |
| 23:49:04 | pixelma | Alonea: not that I know of - but it can highlight some programming languages. Just as an example I like the highlighting of diffs that it can do. |
| 23:49:07 | icu | how do I checksum something |
| 23:49:53 | Alonea | pixelma: yeah. I do like that. reminds me of jcreator |
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| 23:50:19 | x1jmp | Slasheri: Dircache seems to work now, but startup time is almost the same |
| 23:50:23 | decayedcell | gah |
| 23:50:31 | decayedcell | how do i change permissions on the mounted drive |
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| 23:57:36 | Bagder | GodEater: around? |
| 23:57:46 | brainiac_ghost | anyone here use sonab's build |
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