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#rockbox log for 2007-01-12

00:00:23*Llorean goes to get the new image, because he's lazy.
00:01:04thegeekhehe, debian stable can be enough to drive anyone crazy
00:01:32Bagderanyone feels like writing wiki if I rewrite UsingCVS to UsingSVN ? ;-)
00:01:37Bagderrename even
00:02:15Zagornow diff works
00:02:27Zagorand annotate too
00:02:33LloreanI'll be celebratory this weekend, but if nobody's gotten to it by Monday I'll convert it as best I can.
00:03:01BagderI'll rename it now to start with
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00:03:16Lars_Gwhat's the svn data please? the -d
00:03:39Bagderthe -d?
00:03:52Lars_GBagder: the full svn uri
00:04:06Bagderseen topic?
00:04:16*Lars_G facepalms
00:04:51Lars_GI'm going to compile my first 5G :D
00:05:11Lars_Gfor my dad
00:05:17Lars_GI got my dad into rockbox
00:05:51Bagdergo dad!
00:06:35Lars_GBagder: do you have magical powers?
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00:07:07Bagderoh yes
00:07:45Bagder_and_ I'm a dad
00:08:02Lars_GBagder: Great. can you make a meatloaf magically appear here?
00:08:16muesli__Bagder pls dont!
00:08:21Lars_Gi want meatloaf, but nobody in my country makes it, I'd have to cook my own, or seek a family to make one.
00:08:22muesli__i just ate!
00:08:58 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer")
00:09:09muesli__meatloaf belongs close to its name..boiling his eggs in a bowl
00:09:13*dan_a goes out to get pizza
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00:10:26FebsIs there a new VMware image with SVN?
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00:10:53Phalangeesafter I run what do I do? the wiki crossCompiler page doesn't really say
00:11:10Lars_Gvmware image? a rockbox vmware image?
00:11:12SoapLlorean: "So, you were planning on recording by lying the microphone next to the iPod, and wishing very, very hard?"
00:11:21BagderPhalangees: you update your PATH to point to the dir with the new toolset
00:11:31Phalangeesok thanks badger
00:11:31MikachuBagder: does curl do segmented downloads or did you restart it 2 times?
00:11:33BagderPhalangees: then proceed to building rockbox
00:11:42*Mikachu peruses apache log
00:11:42Phalangeesthanks much
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00:12:05Bagdercurl downloads everything in one connection (only)
00:12:16BagderI did a HEAD first iirc
00:12:30Mikachuah yes
00:12:53LloreanSoap: Well, he seemed very upset that the solution offered him was by way of the dock connector. I was curious if he wanted to try osmosis.
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00:13:19Soapoh no. I wasn't questioning your response. I was loving your response.
00:13:31LloreanFebs: And the new VMWare image is definitely preferable to just apt-get install subversion on the old one
00:14:06FebsI'm downloading the image now.
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00:15:52Zagoris there any reason to keep the old one?
00:16:04debauched_slothI've been offline, by and large, for a few days and am wondering if automated builds with SVN are going again? I have a largish commit and am worried about breaking other targets
00:16:19BagderZagor: I kept it just to be sure that the new one is a fine replacement
00:16:30Mikachu(i didn't)
00:16:48Bagderdebauched_sloth: just starting to work again here =>
00:17:08debauched_slothcool, thanks Bagder!
00:17:15debauched_slothwas just looking through logs
00:18:10Lloreandebauched_sloth: You should at least test several other build targets though.
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00:18:22debauched_slothI will
00:18:55debauched_slothstill hard to test them all - and, FWIW, I am almost entirely within my target tree
00:18:56Mikachuwhat's the point of having a build system if you have to try it yourself first? :)
00:21:28Lars_Gmeh I have to make a separate dir for the bootloader
00:21:57FebsLlorean: feel free to unlock this thread if you want, but I see it going nowhere but down:
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00:23:27perldiverhow was the trip
00:23:39bagawkBagder: do you guys have a websvn setup?
00:23:55Bagderor rather viewvc
00:24:29LloreanFebs: No, locked is definitely very good.
00:25:15*Zagor makes a nice index.cgi symlink
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00:31:34Aloneahey debauched_sloth. trip went well?
00:32:06FebsLlorean: I've just removed drumthrashers posting privileges for 1 week.
00:33:04perldiveri wonder why people in sansa thread are so angry
00:33:36Bagderand now front page fanciness
00:33:46*Mikachu does the fancy dance
00:33:54debauched_slothAlonea: still on trip. Actually on the Florida turnpike
00:33:59LloreanFebs: Alright
00:34:03MikachuBagder: is that script about 10 times shorter than the cvs one?
00:34:14bagawkBagder: one error, people using macintosh without a case-sensitive FS will get this when doing a full co svn: Failed to add directory 'rockbox/branches/rockbox': object of the same name already exists
00:34:17LloreanFebs: I have an IM, I suspect it's from him.
00:34:18Bagderabout 10, yes ;-)
00:34:21Lloreaner PM.
00:34:36Bagderbagawk: yes, and that'll teach them not to checkout that dir ;-)
00:34:40debauched_slothNice frontpage!
00:34:51Lloreanbagawk: I suspect Cygwin users will suffer that fate as well is a long perl script but svn2cl just has a short xslt transform :)
00:35:31BagderI wrote my own ;-)
00:35:37hen3rzforums down?
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00:36:17hen3rzwait there back
00:36:19debauched_slothhen3rz: they look OK to me
00:36:59Mikachuhen3rz: i had to read that sentence three times to understand you meant "wait, they're back"
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00:37:28 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Khe!!!")
00:37:34Aloneadebauched_sloth: nice. used to live in miami a long time ago. have a good time dear.
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00:38:11Bagdershould I put the diff link on the rev number instead?
00:38:20Bagderah, no
00:38:27Bagdersince it can be many files
00:38:32Lars_GWhat was the confortable patcher? ipodpatcher or fwpatcher?
00:38:53ZagorBagder: i think adding brackets around "diff" will make it easier to see
00:39:46*Bagder tries
00:40:41ZagorBagder: brackets outside the <a>, imho
00:41:07Stalwartdoesn't rockbox work with storage using dma?
00:41:08Bagderah better
00:41:31Stalwarti see only pio stuff in source
00:41:33Mikachumaybe you could s,/trunk/,,g too?
00:41:51debauched_slothStalwart: the gigabeat does DMA for some reads
00:41:51DraX there we go, pretty ok class for reading tagcache
00:42:05debauched_slotha weird sort of DMA - I'm looking at using the controller to do DMA now
00:42:38Stalwarthey DraX, how's xmms2 going? :D
00:42:50DraXStalwart: we finally merged collections
00:43:02DraXand i'm workong on a rockbox syncer now
00:43:12Stalwartdid you change rss urls? i didn't see anything from you for a long time
00:43:28DraXStalwart: I haven't committed much lately
00:43:47DraXStalwart: been working on objc bindings and sexy rockbox integration though
00:44:00Bagderis the initial slash in the file name good or bad?
00:44:15ZagorBagder: bad
00:44:24*Llorean likes it...
00:44:28debauched_slothBagder: I prefer w/o the slash
00:44:53Bagderits gone
00:45:26DraXStalwart: a few of us that use rockbox are talking about having a client that can sync music, sync playcount, and also just do add/remove from rockbox as well
00:45:37DraXStalwart: so that it could be integrated into an xmms2 client ala ipod in itunes
00:45:50dan_aBagder: Definitely better without
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00:47:11Bagderanything that makes the file names shorter ;-)
00:47:55dan_aExcept extension hiding...
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00:48:35StalwartDraX: that's cool, but i prefer coreutils =]
00:48:42ZagorBagder: maybe the filenames could even get a slightly smaller font
00:48:47Stalwartmusic player must play music
00:48:55DraXStalwart: coreutils?
00:49:02Bagderyes, any css class hidden in there we can use?
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00:49:19DraXStalwart: *shrug* that's the nice thing about xmms2, only use clients for what you need or want
00:50:17StalwartDraX: coreutils are cp, mv and rm =]
00:50:27DraXStalwart: oh you mean src/bin? :P
00:50:32ZagorBagder: no, not yet.
00:50:42Stalwartok, let's talk at #xmms2, it's offtopic here
00:50:52ZagorI'll make a "filename" we can play around with
00:53:43*bluebrother^ just notices the updated front page
00:54:30bluebrother^why not putting the [diff] always in the second line? Looks a bit weird with only on some lines
00:54:47pixelmaonly a little quirk - the line can break between the filename and the [diff] link - looks a bit odd on my monitor
00:54:49Bagderbecause I don't want two lines per file if I can help it
00:55:11Bagderyou think forcing them on the same line is better?
00:55:22Mikachuthat would force the changelog message offscreen
00:55:26ZagorI rather want the filename to break at / too
00:55:35Zagoropera does that by default
00:55:46bluebrother^firefox doesn't seem to do this
00:55:53Zagorgives better priority to the log message
00:56:00Zagori wonder if css can alter that
00:56:05Mikachuwould it look strange with the log message to the left of the files?
00:56:14pixelmaI'd prefer having it on one line because you can see at first glance how many files there are and which ones
00:56:20BagderMikachu: I'll run a test
00:56:56Bagderhow's this?
00:56:58bluebrother^I looked at css for line breaks quite some time ago. Back to then it didn't work reliably across browsers
00:57:18Arathisdan_a: I tried your Patch, but I don't see or feel any difference. First I thought pcmbufdesc would be half of what it was before, but than it raised after a while. cpu freq and boost ratio don't differ at all. I tested stop, pause and play mode and checked the info screen.
00:57:26BagderI think I prefer files to the left of the message
00:57:39Mikachuthe blue breaks up the black nicely :)
00:57:47bluebrother^we need to rotate that table :-P
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00:58:03Arathisdan_a: "codec" has "/28852660" instead of "/28846036" as before bt
00:58:08dan_aArathis: Thanks.
00:58:55pixelmaI think having the files to the left looks better
00:59:04Arathisdan_a: no problem
00:59:42Arathisdan_a: I took pictures of the debug screen to compare. If you need them ..
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01:00:39pixelmaBagder: if I remember correctly the lines didn't break before (in Firefox)
01:00:46dan_aArathis: I don't think that's necessary. If there's no change in the boost ratio, then it doesn't seem to make much difference. Hopefully a few other people will test so we can be sure.
01:01:32bluebrother^hmm. Do we need the revision column?
01:01:40Arathisdan_a: Any testers on the non-H10 devices yet?
01:01:48bluebrother^that number will get incremented on every commit anyway.
01:02:03Bagderbluebrother^: I think it makes sense with svn, since that is the number you can use to get that exact state of the repo
01:02:33Nico_PBagder: want some help in updating the wiki pages about CVS ?
01:02:33dan_aArathis: None apart from me on my 3G iPod. None of the other DAPs I've got here will play audio with Rockbox.
01:02:42bluebrother^yes, but it needs room :o
01:02:45BagderNico_P: yes please
01:02:58scubacolesCan someone please grant me Wiki write permission?
01:03:17dan_aI'm in favour of keeping the revision number
01:03:19ZagorBagder: on the other hand it's very technical information, that you can get by clicking the filename. that column space could be better used for informative content imo
01:03:20bluebrother^scubacoles, sure. What's your wiki name?
01:03:27Arathisdan_a: Too bad you only got broken H10s from ebay :-/
01:03:28Bagderpixelma: you're right, we had them 'nowrap'
01:03:54Bagderbut then I better have the date on the very left, shouldn't I?
01:04:08Bagderwe did before
01:04:10ZagorBagder: yes
01:04:22dan_aArathis: When I get a torx screwdriver, I should be able to make a working H10 from parts I've got lying around
01:04:40*Arathis wonders about the new layout and seeing SVN instead of CVS ...
01:04:46pixelmamaybe the revision number could be on the "headline" (i.e. revision x to y) ?
01:04:52ZagorBagder: bonus feature: only display time for commits done today
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01:05:26bluebrother^scubacoles, done
01:05:45Mikachuyou could put the rev first in what, like "[11988] modernized"
01:05:49ZagorBagder: or even, only HH:MM for todays commits, only YYYY-MM-DD for older ones
01:06:08scorcheare there no more revisions for specific files?
01:06:12bluebrother^headline "current revision is #"?
01:06:15Zagorscorche: no
01:06:22Mikachuscorche: all files in the same commit have the same rev number
01:06:56Arathisbtw: still lists latest CVS updates
01:07:06debauched_slothI was wondering if the revision number was adding much value to that table...
01:07:13BagderArathis: those are not fixed yet
01:07:29Zagordebauched_sloth: reload :)
01:07:39debauched_slothah! nice!
01:07:45*Bagder tries with the rev num in the desc field, but I think we can just hide it
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01:08:03Lars_GBagder: Is this topic in a private forum?
01:08:04dan_aIf we could make the heading "when (GMT)" take up less space, then that whole column will get narrower
01:08:06Zagoryeah, I don't think it's of much use day-to-day anyway
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01:08:23debauched_slothI like hide it, for most folks, it's just an incrementing number
01:08:31Mikachui always click the diff link of the topmost one so i see what's new since i checked last
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01:08:49Mikachuif you look in the "last four weeks" log
01:08:59Lars_GSorry to leech off Bagder, any cloak-wearer can tell me if the post exists and is on a privy board
01:09:06bluebrother^use the Z (for zulu time) beside timestamps instead of the (GMT) in the header?
01:09:15ZagorLars_G: it's on the forum trashcan
01:09:16Mikachuand you see "break all compilations" and you want to revert to before that, it's a lot easier to type svn up -r <number from []> than having to dig it up from somewhere
01:09:21scubacolesbluebrother^: Thanks
01:09:26Lars_GZagor: Thanks
01:09:36Mikachubut on the frontpage i guess it's less useful
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01:09:42Lars_Git's linked to, from one of the themes in the gallery
01:09:48Lars_Gshould I remove the link?
01:10:01Mikachui guess you could just click the filename link though :)
01:10:11BagderI can use the rev num instead of "diff", like I did before for cvs
01:10:26*Lars_G is listening to: Kelly Marie - Feels Like I'm In Love
01:10:27ZagorLars_G: yes, unless there's another thread that is relevant
01:10:27bluebrother^use the revision number as title tag for the timestamp / description?
01:10:52***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:11:01Aloneais there any way for the time to show up in time zone you are in? But that might be too much trouble.. At least I know how to convert in my head
01:11:02Mikachuclicking a revision number and getting a diff is confusing, i'd expect the file at that revision
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01:11:23Bagderand the rev is wider than 'diff' ;-)
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01:13:04pixelmanowrap is certainly clearer... ok... to me :)
01:13:26*Lars_G is listening to: Huey Lewis And The News - Stuck With You
01:13:40BagderI'll leave it like this for now
01:13:52Redbrevashould [diff] be same style as filename?
01:13:56Lars_GMeh got not no access
01:14:01bluebrother^it's nice that way.
01:14:04BagderRedbreva: a yes
01:14:05Lars_Guh oh, sorry about the auto-listening message
01:14:17Lars_Gcan't edit the wiki
01:14:31bluebrother^btw, the [diff] could be like grey color or something ;-)
01:14:57Mikachui would prefer if links were standard color
01:15:12Mikachuas long as you don't make visited links same as unvisited links i'm happy though
01:15:59bluebrother^I wasn't too serious about that ... but the black brackets are a bit distracting imo
01:16:18*Bagder ducks and goes to sleep
01:16:19bluebrother^anyway, I'll get used to it :)
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01:16:36*bluebrother^ should have left for sleep some time ago
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01:24:05kkurbjunBagder, don't know if PM's are working, but are you around?
01:24:25Mikachuhe just went to bed
01:25:13kkurbjunahh, oh well, just have to wait
01:26:57hen3rzlol its morning here in brisbane, australia
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01:38:28BiptoNhas anyone had an issue with the rockbox bootloader on an ipod, rebooting 3-4 times before it actually loads rockbox?
01:43:15Soapwhich ipod? No problems with my 5th gen 60GB.
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01:50:21dan_aBagder/Zagor (for when you read the logs): Would it be possible to have the revision number show as a kind of tooltip on the changelog table? That way it's there for the people who want to see it, but not getting in the way for those who don't.
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01:52:34LunaisIt looks like the step missing for what you're supposed to substitue in for [device] in linux when setting up rockboc for ipod video
01:52:54Lunaisim guessing this is intentional, sinc eit varies, but could anyone help me? im running Fedora Core 6
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01:53:12Lunaisand yes, i can see and edit my ipod, its on my desktop, i just dont know the address
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01:54:04Lunaisso yeah, if anyone has any ideas i'd greatly appreciate it
01:55:57Lunaisor everyone is idle. awesome
01:56:04Mikachuif you type "mount" you should get a list of all devices
01:56:07Mikachuthat are currently mounted
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01:56:23Lunaisyeah, i remember doing that, forgot it was just mount
01:56:24Lunais1 sec
01:57:03Lunaisllets see if i can do this noww
01:57:19Lunaisthank you, mikachu
01:57:31Mikachuno problem
01:58:47Lunaismaybe they should put that in the manual, but i suppose its not necissary
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01:59:52Mikachuhooray star trek nicks
02:00:20Lunaisdrive is not an ipod....
02:00:43Mikachuyou may not want the trailing number on the device
02:01:01Lunaishmm, would i see that with mount?
02:01:13Lunaissmall text,. lol
02:01:18MikachuBETTER? :)
02:01:35Lunaisim using alittle pixel font because i think it looks neat
02:01:46Lunaisand in that i sacrifice visibility
02:02:03noonianis there any size limitation on the hdd the old archos recorder v1 could take? would a 200gb or larger hdd be supported?
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02:02:30Lunaiswell, dont i want to use the /dev/sdc2, i mean how else can i identify it?
02:02:54hcstry /dev/sdc
02:03:00hcsyou want the whole device, not just a partition
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02:03:10Mikachuthe 2 would be a trailing number in that case
02:03:27Lunaisah. sorry, im a bit new to linux, always willing to learn though
02:04:03Lunaisyeah. thanks a lot, it worked :D
02:04:57noonianpixelma: thanks
02:05:33pixelmayou're welcome :)
02:06:18Lunaisgnarly, it works :D
02:06:54Lunaisits funny, i never hear rockbox getting mentioned, always ipodlinux...
02:07:07Lunaisthough its obviously much better
02:07:13Lunais5g support alone
02:10:26Lunaishmm, so now the the .rockbox folder is gone, how do i add/modyfy plugins?
02:14:00BiptoNit's a hidden folder
02:14:20Lunaisha. i figured
02:14:37Lunaisso to see it, what do i just type in the location?
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02:15:16Lunaisnope there it is. thanks
02:15:23Lunaisim an idiot -_-
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02:16:28Lunaisallright. thanks for all your help everyone. I've got to go
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02:52:10bonbonthejonwhat is the most recent version of the ipod g4 bootloader
02:52:31Mouser_XSo, again, rather than read the logs (there's lots of them...), is there anything special, new, and/or exciting going on with Rockbox?
02:52:52Mouser_XSince I'm getting a Gigabeat, anything relating to that would be of interest.
02:53:51scubacolesMouser_X: I think everything is in pause at the moment while the switchover to SVN is happening
02:54:05sneakumsthe snazzy new "usb connected" icon is nice
02:54:31Mouser_XI kind of figured that might be the case. Thanks for the info though.
02:55:06Mouser_XIn all honesty, I prefer to read the logs, but it's just so time consuming, that I've realized my time is better spent elsewhere/doing other things.
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03:40:58combrainshas anyone else encountered a bug in the button led settings on the gb whereby the LCD shuts off?
03:42:00combrainsI can't reproduce the bug accurately
03:42:12hcsis there no longer a rockbox-devel?
03:43:08Mouser_XThe devs for the TGB are either away, moving, or on vacation.
03:43:08combrainsbut it tends to happen if i start scrolling through the settings after powering on
03:43:19Mouser_XEither that, or they're just getting back from the above stuff.
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03:44:58combrainsoh well, hopefully gotthardt will squash the bug before the button LED code makes its way into the mainline
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03:45:15webguest64i need help whos there
03:45:24*Mouser_X is here
03:45:24combrainsfire away
03:45:40webguest64how to put rockbox on ipod
03:45:53Mouser_XHave you read the manual?
03:46:04Mouser_XIt explains it in there quite well, actually.
03:46:22webguest64when i load it to my pod it starts up but says no partition found
03:47:13Mouser_XWhat format is your iPod in? It needs to be FAT32.
03:47:21webguest64k how do u do that
03:47:32webguest64how do u tell what format
03:47:33hcsis it windows or mac formatted?
03:47:35Mouser_XIt tells you in the manual.
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03:48:18*Mouser_X hasn't read the manual. He just knows that it definatly says these things in there, since many others have been quoting from it in here.
03:48:39hcswindows formatted ipods will be fat32
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03:49:12webguest64i have read the manual
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03:49:58webguest64when i load my ipod into ipw where its located should it say something like mac formatted?
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03:51:57Mouser_XIf you connect the iPod to your PC through the USB port, and you're on a Windows machine, then Windows will "complain" that it's not formated properly, if it's not FAT32.
03:52:23Mouser_XIn other words, you won't be able to access the iPod in Windows, unless it's formatted properly.
03:52:31Mouser_XWhat iPod do you have?
03:52:36Mouser_XIs it the 80 GB iPod?
03:54:38Mouser_XCan you paste the link of the installation page you're using?
03:54:53webguest64hold up
03:55:33Mouser_X(There's been some changes somewhat recently, so I want to know what it is you're doing...)
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04:01:30webguest64i went off a couple things mostly this one
04:02:01webguest64and off the rockbox site
04:02:03hcsthat is very much out of date
04:02:13Mouser_XCan you link the one on Rockbox?
04:02:14webguest64see need help
04:02:19Mouser_XThat's the one you need to be using.
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04:03:03Mouser_XIs it the 30 GB video, or the 30 GB photo?
04:03:24webguest64tell me what files i need
04:03:28webguest64and i will tell u if i have it
04:04:12webguest64i downloaded rockbox ipodvideo off rockbox
04:04:27webguest64found the install.bat
04:04:44Mouser_XThis is the page you should be reading:
04:05:08Mouser_X(In case you're elsewhere. That linked page is the current, and correct, method to follow)
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04:08:46webguest64how do u run ipodpatcher
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04:08:51webguest64through dos?
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04:09:13dewdude_webguest64, which in xp is known as command prompt.
04:09:18Mouser_XThrough a command prompt.
04:09:47Mouser_XAs dewdude_ said, it's basically XP's version of DOS.
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04:10:34webguest64then all i type is ipodpatcher −−scan
04:10:58dewdudeassuming you're in the directory where ipodpatcher is
04:11:03Mouser_XThere's a little more to it than that, but yes, that's a start.
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04:12:54webguest64k found it
04:14:00webguest64v.5 5th generation
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04:14:48webguest64now once u find it u open itunes?
04:14:59Mouser_XRead the instructions.
04:15:00dewdudeare you even reading the directions.
04:15:02Mouser_XThat I linked.
04:15:10dewdudeit doesn't seem like you are.
04:15:12Mouser_XWhat does #7 say?
04:15:12Jerryhello i have a quick qestion. to unflash my iriver all i have to do is replace the bootloader file?
04:15:30webguest64i am
04:15:34webguest64i am on 6
04:15:40dewdudewell, no where in the directions does it mention itunes.
04:15:42webguest64doesnt make sense to me
04:15:45Mouser_X6 is for MACs only.
04:15:46webguest64yes it does
04:15:57dewdudenot the directions i read.
04:16:05webguest64so i do 7?
04:16:05Mouser_XThe only thing it says about iTunes is that you should have it off, at all times.
04:16:13Mouser_XDon't use iTunes, at all.
04:16:19Mouser_XIf iTunes starts up, close it.
04:16:21dewdudeMouser_X, i thought if you were running rockbox, that was a given.
04:16:24Mouser_XThat's all the instructions say about it
04:16:35webguest64so i do 7?
04:16:54dewdudeMouser_X, i went a step further. I uninstalled it.
04:17:06Mouser_XI don't have an iPod.
04:17:33dewdudethis is just my first acquisition. i intend to buy other portables
04:17:41*Mouser_X finds this interesting, that he has no iPod, and is yet walking someone through the installation of Rockbox on the thing...
04:17:56Jerryanybody have info on rockbox being flashied on the iriver?
04:18:16dewdudeJerry: did you check the wiki?
04:18:18Mouser_XJerry: All I can do is to redirect you to the manual.
04:18:31Jerryyes but i dont understand it fully
04:18:41webguest64in 7 what file do i need to have in the folder im in
04:18:51Jerryalready ahead of you mouser x
04:19:03Mouser_XK, sorry I couldn't be of more help.
04:19:18dewdudeyes, same here. i don't have an iriver.
04:20:15webguest64hey mouser in step 7 what do i replace device with?
04:20:25Jerryi dont really understand the technical terms
04:20:37Mouser_Xwebguest64: "eplacing [device] with the number (for Windows users)"
04:20:49Mouser_XRemember the number you got from step 5?
04:20:50webguest64explain more please
04:21:18webguest64or disk device 1
04:21:19Mouser_XIn the command prompt, type "ipodpatcher .5 -r bootpartition.bin"
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04:21:48Mouser_XThen, try "ipodpatcher disc device 1 -r bootpartition.bin"
04:22:04JerryTo restore the flash contents of the firmware section (bootloader will be always kept untouched, however we need to re-flash the critical reset vector sector), open the file from either one of the previously mentioned methods by iriver_flash and the contents of the original firmware section will be restored from the file.
04:22:06Mouser_X(take note, the " should not be entered into the command prompt.)
04:22:14webguest64do i need to put []
04:22:26Mouser_XThat's to tell you that it's a place holder.
04:22:48Mouser_XIt's like saying "Password: [password]"
04:23:07webguest64k it did something
04:23:31dewdudewell...what did it do?
04:23:56Mouser_XAccording to the instructions, it should have created a file on your PC.
04:24:10webguest64just says some actions
04:24:20webguest64assigned something to my ipod
04:24:49RoanHi I've just finished my first WPS theme and would like to add it to the WPS gallery page for the iPod Nano. I've registered as RoanHorning on the TWiki. Per the instructions page, could someone here add write permissions to my account, or let me know who and how I should contact someone to do this?
04:24:51Mouser_XCheck the folder you're in (the installation folder, where ipodpatcher is). Is there a file called "bootpartition.bin" in there?
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04:25:16Mouser_Xwebguest64: ^
04:25:24webguest64no theres not
04:25:28webguest64should i load it there?
04:25:34druidfire217quick question on getting it to make the file, I am getting a error as it doesnt find arm-elf-gcc. It said that it wasnt found, tried doing the PATH=/usr/local stuff, still gave me the same error, It also said that sysfont.o has an error 127
04:25:42webguest64save it there or whatever
04:26:16Mouser_Xwebguest64: When you run ipodpatcher with the command string that the instructions tell you, it should create a file called "bootpartition.bin" on your PC.
04:26:35Mouser_XIf it didn't, then you need to tell us *exactly* what it did instead.
04:26:53webguest64what if i downloaded the bootpartition?
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04:27:13Mouser_XThe one that ipodpatcher created is a backup from you player.
04:27:23webguest64didnt do it then
04:27:40Mouser_XSo, what did ipodpatcher do instead?
04:27:46Mouser_XYou said it did some stuff.
04:27:49Mouser_XWhat did it do?
04:28:09Mouser_X(You never actually said what it did.)
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04:28:28webguest64r u talkin about when i typed in the ipodpatcher disk devide 1 -r bootpartition.bin?
04:28:53Mouser_XWhat happened when you did that?
04:28:55webguest64says this
04:29:30webguest64usage: ipodpatcher −−scan, ipodpatcher diskno [action]
04:29:40webguest64gives me some actions i can do
04:29:45webguest64like read firmare
04:29:51webguest64write firmware
04:30:05webguest64add bootloader
04:30:13webguest64then at the bottom
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04:30:54Mouser_X<webguest64> says this
04:30:54Mouser_X<webguest64> usage: ipodpatcher −−scan, ipodpatcher diskno [action]
04:30:58Mouser_XYou entered the command improperly. What you got (what you showed me above) is an error.
04:31:05Mouser_XType this again: ipodpatcher −−scan
04:31:08Mouser_XThen, tell me *exactly* what it returns.
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04:33:37webguest64ipodpatcher v0.5 - <C> dave chapman 2006 [info]ipod found - video 5th gen - disk device 1
04:34:26webguest64and says this is a free software and how theres no warranty and stuff
04:34:35Mouser_XTry this: ipodpatcher video 5th gen - disk device 1 -r bootpartition.bin
04:34:50webguest64where it says info on found the ipod
04:34:51druidfire217I am getting that the sh-elf-gcc, and the m68k-elf-gcc arent in the PATH, anid I am trying to fix this. Any advice?
04:34:58webguest64shoud i type it exactly?
04:35:11puetzkdruidfire217, do you have the cross compilers installed?
04:35:11Mouser_XIt can't hurt.
04:36:00druidfire217Puetzk, I think I do. I went through the CygwinDevelopment thing when I first did it, but I am not totally sure how to check
04:36:54webguest64said the same thing
04:36:56druidfire217I skipped step 4 because it said that the installation script should do it, and I am not sure how to get to iv or nano
04:37:58Mouser_XTry this: ipodpatcher -disk device 1 -r bootpartition.bin
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04:38:19*Mouser_X is guessing on that one
04:38:42Mouser_XOr, try: ipodpatcher 1 -r bootpartition.bin
04:38:54Mouser_XYes, the second one.
04:38:59Mouser_X^ Do that.
04:39:03webguest64there we go
04:39:13webguest64do something now
04:39:23webguest64now i see a bootpartition
04:39:24Mouser_XSo, it's creating a file?
04:39:31webguest64yes it did
04:39:35Mouser_XHow big is it (when it's done)?
04:40:01puetzkbut you did go through the instructions at
04:40:14Mouser_Xwebguest64: Is that correct according to step 7?
04:40:20puetzk(which basically consist of running, the rest is just describing how to do manually what that does automatically)
04:40:27Mouser_Xwebguest64: (It tells you how big it should be.)
04:40:28JdGordon:( llorean isnt here
04:40:44JdGordonscorche: is tho.... :)
04:40:45puetzkdruidfire217, alternatively, there's a VmWare image containing the right compilers
04:40:56webguest64step 7 tells u how big it suppose to be?
04:41:00druidfire217no, I missed that one. I went to the simple guide to compiling, and all it had was a link to CgywinDevelopment
04:41:08puetzkor I think some tarballs at
04:41:20Mouser_Xwebguest64: "This should create a file in the current folder called bootpartition.bin (approximately 40MB for the iPod 3G, 4G and Color/Photo, 80MB for the Nano 1st gen and 30GB Video, and 112MB for the 60GB Video) containing a copy of the firmware partition from your iPod."
04:41:21webguest64on the manual im reading?
04:41:36Mouser_XIf you're reading the manual at Rockbox, then yes.
04:41:40druidfire217I am hesitant to put VMware on here, as I have a laptop with a pretty small harddrive. I have an external harddrive with lots of space, but am concerned with the transfer speed to install it there.
04:42:05puetzkdruidfire217, do ls /opt/m68k/bin and see if they are there
04:42:13puetzkif so do echo $PATH to see if they are in PATH
04:42:22webguest64when i right click it, it says 94 mb
04:43:05Mouser_XPersonally, it sounds close enough for me.
04:43:10webguest64now what
04:43:15Mouser_XThough, I'm not the one with iPod.
04:43:34Mouser_XNormally, when following directions, you follow them sequentially.
04:43:35druidfire217Ok, I am about to try running the
04:43:44druidfire217I will try the path stuff after that right?
04:43:47Mouser_Xwebguest64: In other words, you decide.
04:43:56webguest64should i?
04:44:04puetzkdruidfire217, will actually download and compile the cross-binutils and gcc
04:44:15webguest64got a ?
04:44:25Mouser_Xwebguest64: If you want Rockbox installed, then I don't know of any other way to do it.
04:44:28webguest64do i need to have my bootloader.ipod in the folder?
04:44:31druidfire217so I dont need to do the ls /opt/m68k/bin
04:44:41puetzkit will take quite a while - hour(s), most likely
04:44:42Mouser_Xwebguest64: Probably.
04:45:09puetzkthe ls would be to see if you did get things installed via, and maybe they just aren't in PATH for some reason
04:45:33webguest64so when it says [device] i should type?
04:45:38puetzkbut should work, that's how mine is installed (but on linux, not cygwin)
04:45:56Mouser_Xwebguest64: Again, take note, that I don't have an iPod, nor have I *ever* installed Rockbox before. I'm doing all of this from reading the manual.
04:46:07druidfire217I did the ls stuff, and I saw one of the listings as m68k-elf-gcc.exe
04:46:15Mouser_Xwebguest64: In other words, I'm hoping you can figure this stuff out yourself...
04:46:36Mouser_Xwebguest64: As I said before, [device] is a place holder.
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04:46:58webguest64k written to device
04:47:01druidfire217The stuff that I see doesnt match the stuff that I am supposed to edit
04:47:14druidfire217Mine has a bunch of windows stuff in it
04:47:23puetzklike what?
04:47:39Mouser_Xwebguest64: See what it says at the end of 8? What happens when you do that?
04:47:39puetzkit's not that unusual to have extra stuff, PATH just lists all the places the shell will look for a command
04:48:00webguest64when i start it it loads but says rockbox error 1
04:48:09webguest64then went back to my normal ipod screen
04:48:13druidfire217I went back and reread, and it said to install curl or wget, and it couldnt find a downloader for
04:48:30puetzkwebguest64, ok, then it's flashed fine and you just need to put the rockbox.ipod file on
04:48:30Mouser_Xwebguest64: Yes, that's because you didn't follow the directions (you skipped ahead).
04:48:46puetzkwell, not flashed, the iPod bootloader is on disk too :-P
04:49:23webguest64what do mean skipped
04:49:39Mouser_XNotice, 2.2.2 is before 2.2.3
04:49:40druidfire217I couldnt find a section of the usr/local/bin that matched the part on the development exactly
04:50:05puetzkdruidfire217, is there a PATH= line though?
04:50:23webguest64 ?
04:50:32puetzkyou just need to add the three more dirs to it
04:50:52puetzkif it's different than the default, that's OK (but it's probably why the installation script didn't do it automatically for you)
04:50:57Mouser_Xwebguest64: You want the daily builds.
04:51:25Mouser_X"Note: The current stable release is available only for Archos jukeboxes. There has not yet been a stable release for the Ipod Video. Until there is a stable release for Ipod Video, use a daily build or CVS build."
04:51:34Mouser_Xwebguest64: Did you not read that?
04:51:43druidfire217no, it says /urs/local/arm-elf/bin:/urs/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin/:usr/x11r6/bin:cygdrive/c/windows/system32L/cygdrive/c/windows/system32/wbem:/cygdrive/c/program files/ati Technologies/ati Control panel
04:51:57webguest64k downloaded what do i have to do to add this
04:52:19druidfire217There is no Path= line
04:52:39Mouser_Xwebguest64: Read section 2.2.2
04:52:40druidfire217that is what it told me when I put in echo $path
04:52:53webguest64u suggest font package?
04:53:00Mouser_XLater, yes.
04:53:03Mouser_XNow, no.
04:53:16puetzkOh. The PATH= liene is in the file /etc/profile, not when you say echo $PATH (the former is setting it, the latter just prints it)
04:53:32puetzk(this is step of the CygwinDevelopment page)
04:53:33Mouser_X(Later will be after you have the firmware installed.)
04:53:36puetzkstep 4
04:54:09druidfire217so how do I get there exactly to make sure I have it? Cd .. a lot?
04:55:05puetzkopen that text file in your favorite text editor. It will be /etc/profile from inside cygwin or C:\cygwin\etc\profile from windows
04:55:18webguest64ok now i have rockbox on my pod
04:55:24druidfire217 But it says not to use Notepad, so what should I use
04:55:25webguest64how do i run it
04:55:32Mouser_XTry restarting.
04:55:54Mouser_X(Your iPod, not your PC...)
04:56:11webguest64i know
04:56:16Mouser_XJust making sure.
04:56:19druidfire217All I have is a profile.d instead of profile
04:56:21puetzkdruidfire217, the reason it says not to use notepad is that it can't handle unix-style linefeeds. Pretty much anything else will be OK
04:56:37Mouser_Xwebguest64: It wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
04:56:45Mouser_XSo, what happened?
04:56:49Mouser_XSame error as before?
04:56:50druidfire217such as? MS word?
04:56:58webguest64same as normal pod
04:57:03webguest64didnt do anything
04:57:11webguest64started my normal ipod
04:57:24Mouser_XDisconnect everything, turn off the iPod completely.
04:57:29Mouser_XThen try again.
04:57:29webguest64i did
04:57:42Mouser_XWell, try installing the bootloader again.
04:57:50Mouser_XIt can't hurt.
04:58:28webguest64so skip to 7 right?
04:58:34puetzkI like gvim, TextPad is popular on windows, codewright is popular, SCiTE's OK, Notepad++ ought to work... I question if you've ever written code if you don't already have a favorite though :-)
04:58:40Mouser_Xwebguest64: Also, do you have a ./rockbox directory on the root of your iPod?
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04:59:10druidfire217I havent written code, just trying to get a patched RB to compile
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04:59:18webguest48sorry mouse u there
04:59:23webguest48do 7 ?
04:59:30webguest48im 48 now
04:59:37Mouser_Xwebguest48: Did you verify that the *.ZIP file extracted properly?
04:59:51Mouser_X"Note: If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a file called rockbox.ipod in the main folder of your players drive, and also a folder called /.rockbox, which contains a number of other folders and system files needed by Rockbox. If you receive a -1 error when you start Rockbox, you have not extracted the contents of the .zip file to the proper location."
04:59:55webguest48its on my ipod i can see it
05:00:01webguest48i do
05:00:02Mouser_XAnd it's in the root?
05:00:12Mouser_X(I'm just making sure.)
05:00:15druidfire217Downloading and installing textpad now
05:00:17webguest48i didnt go into any folders
05:00:25webguest48just clicked to open in the ipod
05:00:37webguest48repeat 7?
05:00:42druidfire217so now all I need to do is to edit the $path line, and everything will work?
05:01:01puetzkdruidfire217, that seems to be what's missing
05:01:08puetzkno warranty :-)
05:01:27Mouser_XSo, in Windows Explorer, when you go to the iPod, the path would be "[Drive letter here]:\.rockbox" ?
05:01:28webguest48or 8 i mean
05:01:39Mouser_XK, then do 8 again.
05:02:10druidfire217ok, I hope this works. The nice part about the H10's at least is that we can always get to them with UMS mode, so I dont think anyone besides Barry bricked one, and he was trying to get it to run in the beginning
05:02:21druidfire217Thanks for your help.
05:02:22webguest48now disconnect>?
05:03:12Mouser_XDid you download ""
05:03:18webguest48it turned on
05:03:20Mouser_XAgain, just making sure.
05:03:25webguest48thanks bro
05:03:26Mouser_XSo, did Rockbox work?
05:03:34webguest48can u help me with a theme now?
05:03:52Mouser_XDepends on how willing you are to read. Otherwise, yes.
05:03:58webguest48how do i play my songs
05:04:26druidfire217still comes up with the same error, but it is talking about arm-elf-gcc, and the told me that the H10 needed m68k.elf.gcc
05:04:29druidfire217Could this be the difference
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05:05:00macdog12hey guys
05:05:02puetzkdruidfire217, you added all three to PATH, and opened a new shell? What does echo $PATH say now?
05:05:05Mouser_Xwebguest48: That link I pasted will do a much better job telling you how to use the iPod, than I can.
05:05:28Mouser_XHowdy macdog12.
05:05:31macdog12anyone here help me with a gigabeat issue?
05:05:44Mouser_XLike what?
05:05:47*Mouser_X is getting a Gigabeat hopefully within a week.
05:05:50macdog12i am a loser... but
05:05:56Mouser_X(I'm waiting on the mail.)
05:05:57druidfire217I added the one about the H10, the m68k-elf-gcc, cause that is what it said the H10 uses
05:06:05macdog12i cant see a GBSYSTEM folder
05:06:16Mouser_XIt's hidden.
05:06:22macdog12ive unhidden everything
05:06:40macdog12still no cigar
05:06:57druidfire217Just went back in and added them all and it is still giving me the same error
05:07:10puetzkdruidfire217, and opened a new shell after editing it?
05:07:16druidfire217Do I need to open up cgywin again?
05:07:22puetzkit won't take effect until you do that.
05:07:23Mouser_Xmacdog12: So, in Explorer, you gone to tools> folder options> veiw> and said to show hidden files and folders?
05:07:33puetzkprofile is read when the shell is starting up
05:07:45druidfire217Oh, is there any way to save the patched version that I got a makefile created for, or do I have to do it again?
05:07:56macdog12MOuser_X - yes i have
05:08:00puetzkdruidfire217, it will still be there when you CD back to the folder
05:08:27druidfire217so if I use the make command from the makefile directory, it will be patched? Just checking on this
05:08:31Mouser_Xmacdog12: You also need to unselect "Hide protected operating system files"
05:08:39puetzkyes, patch actually wrote the changed files
05:08:51puetzkso they will still be changed
05:09:13druidfire217ok thanks for walking me through that. My fiancee is bugging me, so I will have to try it in a little bit. Hope it works, and thanks for the help.
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05:09:26macdog12Mouser_X done that too...
05:09:50Mouser_Xmacdog12: If that still doesn't work, then try typing "[Drive letter of Gigabeat here]:\GBSYSTEM\" (without the " marks) in the address bar of Explorer.
05:09:51macdog12it shows a .rockbox folder as well as Albums, Music and Playlists folders
05:09:59webguest48yo mouser can u see in that manual where to go to find your songs?
05:10:40Mouser_Xwebguest48: If you're refering to finding your songs that you added with iTunes, they'll be a jumbled mess of unrecognizable file names.
05:10:44macdog12ok cool thanks Mouser_X
05:10:53webguest48how do u fix that?
05:10:54Mouser_Xmacdog12: Did that help?
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05:11:07macdog12the gigbeat doesnt have a drive letter
05:11:10macdog12My Computer\TOSHIBA gigabeat\gigabeat_HardDisk
05:11:55Mouser_Xwebguest48: YOu can't fix it. The best you can do is to use the "Database" viewing mode, which displays the ID3 tags, instead of directories, and filenames.
05:12:08Mouser_Xwebguest48: Read the manual. It will tell you more.
05:12:19webguest48im trying
05:12:21macdog12do i have to format it?
05:12:32puetzkor you just copy the files over with sane folders and names (if you don't intend to use the original firmware anymore)
05:12:33Mouser_Xmacdog12: It looks like you need to connect your Gigabeat differently. You shouldn't need to format it.
05:12:41Mouser_XI think it's not in disk mode.
05:13:00Mouser_X(I don't know for certain, since I don't yet have a Gigabeat to find out with.)
05:13:59Mouser_Xmacdog12: "To transfer Rockbox to your player you need to connect it to your computer. To proceed you need to know where to access the player. On Windows this means you need to figure out the drive letter associated with the device. On Linux you need to know the mount point of your player."
05:14:22Mouser_Xmacdog12: You probably saw that already, but I'm pointing out that there should be a drive letter for the device.
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05:15:37macdog13sorry Mouser.. got D?C
05:15:51puetzkMouser_X, is the stock firmware an MTP device? If so it wouldn't get a drive letter, and you'd have to somehow get it in UMS mode first...
05:16:02puetzk(I don't have one either, but that would fit what he's seeing...)
05:16:15Mouser_Xpuetzk: I think that's correct.
05:16:32Mouser_XIt should be a setting, somewhere...
05:16:32macdog13did you get my last message about there being no drive letter?
05:17:02Mouser_Xmacdog12: Yes. You need to get the Gigabeat into UMS mode (as puetzk said)
05:17:21macdog13ok... thanks... how do i go about doing that?
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05:17:29puetzk is giving pretty bad advice (using cygwin svn and TortoiseSVN on the same folder). This can easily lead to a corrupt text-base if you have any files marked svn:eol native. It's much better to install a win32 svn and just have it in PATH (which the svn setup does automatically)
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05:17:45Mouser_Xmacdog12: I would think that it's a setting you enable on the Gigabeat.
05:17:52puetzkwiki registration seems to not work, or I'd fix it...
05:17:59webguest48yo mouse can i get a link to download themes?
05:18:05webguest48and manual pleas
05:18:31Mouser_Xpuetzk: Thanks.
05:19:11BHSPitLappywebguest48, you can set a nickname for yourself in here by typing "/nick newnickgoeshere" , without the quotes
05:19:46Mouser_Xwebguest48: Other themes can be found here (I think these fit your player):
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05:20:23macdog13Mouser_X - just been into setup and cant find anything? anyone else go any clues?
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05:20:58Mouser_Xmacdog13: Does the Gigabeat manual say anything about a disk mode, or a UMS mode, or something?
05:21:14Mouser_XOr, do you have any links or anything at all that I can go off of?
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05:22:41Mouser_Xmacdog13: If my Gigabeat was here, I'd see what I could figure out from my end... Alas, I must wait at *least* 4 more days...
05:23:14macdog13oh ok... im looking now
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05:23:49webguest48once u get a them u like u extract it to the theme folder on the ipod under .rockbox?
05:24:09Mouser_Xwebguest48: Open the ZIP first.
05:24:16perldiverwhat seems to be the problem with gigabeat?
05:24:24webguest48zip it to my comp 1st?
05:24:36Mouser_XNo, open the ZIP file first.
05:24:54Mouser_Xperldiver: He can't get it to be recognized as a HDD.
05:25:01webguest48what do want to know now
05:25:16perldiverMouser_X with rockbox on ?
05:25:16Mouser_XWhat's the first thing you see in the file?
05:25:28Mouser_Xperldiver: He's trying to install Rockbox.
05:25:31webguest48i want the .cfg file?
05:25:34webguest48under themes?
05:25:54Mouser_Xwebguest48: No, when opening the ZIP, what's the VERY first thing you see?
05:25:54webguest481st file theme x glow
05:26:09Mouser_XSo, what's the filename?
05:26:16webguest48theme x
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05:26:42perldivermacdog12 could you repeat your problem?
05:26:48Mouser_Xwebguest48: Okay, when you open that, what'e the *VERY* first thing you see?
05:27:02Mouser_X(Please give me a filename)
05:27:07webguest48screenshots and .rockbox
05:27:26Mouser_Xwebguest48: Okay, extract the ZIP to the root of your iPod.
05:27:36webguest48u sure
05:28:02Mouser_Xwebguest48: Yes, I'm sure. The ZIP has the proper directory structure already in place.
05:28:03webguest48do i want to select .rockbox then extract
05:28:18Mouser_XNo, extract the ZIP file to the root.
05:28:24Mouser_XThe whole thing will be fine.
05:28:38Mouser_XUnless you don't want the screenshots to be on your iPod.
05:28:58webguest48na i dont
05:29:04webguest48so i just want .rock
05:29:19webguest48extract whats in those folders/
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05:30:49Mouser_X<webguest48> so i just want .rock
05:30:49Mouser_X<webguest48> right?
05:30:49Mouser_X<webguest48> extract whats in those folders/
05:30:53Mouser_XYes. select the .rockbox directory within the ZIP file, and drag+drop it to the root of your iPod. You'll receive a warning, don't worry, it won't overwrite anything that you need to worry about.
05:30:54Mouser_X(If it overwrites anything at all, it was meant to do so.)
05:33:10*Mouser_X is reading a PDF of the Gigabeat user's manual...
05:33:26Mouser_XGeez. Everything is setup through their proprietary software...
05:34:01macdog12perldiver - cant see GBSYSTEM folder on my gigabeat and all files have been unhidden
05:34:23perldiverdoes the stock firmware work then?
05:34:32Mouser_Xperldiver: Take note that it's not recognized as a HDD (there's no drive letter associated with the device).
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05:34:42macdog12yeah sorry
05:34:51perldiverthat sounds like a windows media mode
05:35:00perldiverare you connecting it with a cradle?
05:35:07macdog12ok... how do i change that... i read the manual and saw nothing
05:35:21perldivertake it from the cradle
05:35:34perldiverand connect it straight from the player to PC
05:35:55perldiverwhats the result?
05:36:18macdog12you are a legend
05:36:30*Mouser_X forgot there was a cradle.
05:36:32perldiverenjoy your gigabeat :P
05:36:32macdog12i am an idiot
05:36:40macdog12love you guys
05:36:41Mouser_XI wasn't planning on use the cradle anyway...
05:37:30macdog12really am keen on this rockbox firmware... hope it is way better than the toshiba crap
05:37:56perldiverits a brand new world, macdog12
05:38:07perldiverjust be careful and follow the instructions
05:38:30macdog12ok man... thanks again
05:38:39perldiverask if theres a problem
05:38:48macdog12will do cheers... cya
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05:39:16Mouser_Xperldiver: The gigabeat manual I'm looking at says that the unit comes with AV out cables. I'm assuming that these are not supported by Rockbox?
05:39:32Mouser_X(For use of watching your videos on a TV.)
05:39:56perldiveryou're looking at the manual for gigabeat S i presume
05:40:24perldiverwhich is not supported by rockbox period
05:40:24Mouser_XI have no idea.
05:40:43Mouser_XYes, I know the S isn't supported by Rockbox.
05:41:39Mouser_XThat's the manual I'm looking at.
05:42:16perldiverthats clearly S
05:42:30Mouser_XSorry, I didn't know what to look for.
05:42:40perldivereven just by look at that pic on the cover
05:43:05perldiverthey crippled the cross on it (in my opinion)
05:43:19perldiverits not a sliding cross anymore
05:43:24Mouser_XI didn't pay attention to the cover.
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05:45:00Mouser_X<perldiver> its not a sliding cross anymore
05:45:01Mouser_X<Mouser_X> I didn't pay attention to the cover.
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05:46:11Mouser_XThe cross, when running Rockbox, isn't a sliding cross, is it?
05:46:31Mouser_XI realize that can be changed later, but right now, it doesn't work that way, does it?
05:47:02perldiverit doesn't, some people want it back
05:47:15perldiverits got sensors all over it
05:47:27Mouser_XYah, that's what I figured.
05:47:32perldiverso it can be implemented for different scrolling speeds for example
05:47:40perldiveri think somebody was working on it already
05:48:02Mouser_XI figure that, later, when things get ironed out more, that the sliding cross features will be re-implemented.
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05:48:57perldiverthey also react on how hard you press it
05:49:05perldiverits quite crafty hehe
05:49:19Mouser_XYes, there was someone working that as well.
05:49:23perldiverbut yes, right now rockbox doesnt use any of those
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05:49:36Mouser_XLike I said, I'm sure it will, later.
05:49:49Mouser_XWelcome back macdog12.
05:49:54macdog12thanks mouser_X
05:50:07macdog12Rockbox is installed
05:50:14Mouser_XAnd running?
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05:50:27macdog12the writing is tiny
05:50:33macdog12have i forgotten something?
05:50:43Mouser_XChange fonts (you may need to download new ones).
05:50:53perldivermacdog12 you have 2 solutions here
05:50:58perldiver1) change the font
05:51:08perldiver2) use one of the "themes"
05:51:46Mouser_XHowdy webguest65.
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05:51:59webguest65I'm an iPodLinux refugee who just discovered rockbox
05:52:13webguest65just discovered = about 30 minutes ago
05:52:40webguest65I have a little podzilla module that is a language quiz program. It displays graphics, text, gets button input, and plays audio.
05:52:48webguest65Is this sort of thing easily doable on rockbox, too?
05:53:35Mouser_XRockbox plays music (all kinds), has a JPEG viewer, and a text editor. It can also read menus and filenames back to you.
05:53:43Mouser_XThough, I don't know what you actually asking.
05:54:19webguest65What I'm asking is can I make a custom module/program in C that manipulates graphics, text, and audio, and integrate it into a rockbox menu?
05:54:36webguest65Like a podzilla module, except for rockbox.
05:55:02Soappluggins can do all that.
05:55:14webguest65Great. One concern for me is (drum roll) audio recording. Been browsing the forums about that.
05:55:22webguest65iPodLinux can't do recording on 5g's.
05:55:33webguest65It seems Rockbox "can" sort of do recording on 5g's. Is that right?
05:55:43Soaprecording on the iPod is in an early stage. If you were able to contribute to that it would be great.
05:56:24SoapIt can record on the iPods, many of the features implemented on the other platforms have not yet been implemented on the iPods, including adjustable gain and such.
05:56:58macdog12perldiver - do i just copy the theme folder into the themes folder on the GB once its extracted?
05:57:21Mouser_Xmacdog12: It often depends on the theme.
05:57:22webguest65Specifically I need to set up 10 iPods (or similar devices) with my software for a university research experiment
05:57:36webguest65I'm charged with the task of telling them which iPod model to buy
05:57:45Soapmacdog12: a _properly_ created WPS/Theme .zip file should have the directory structure set up so you can extract it to root.
05:57:46webguest65(and implementing the software of course)
05:57:49perldivermacdog12, usually its 3 folders inside the theme archive, extract them into .rockbox folder
05:58:24webguest65It maybe seems like the iPod might not be the best choice now since it can't do recording...? Is there a better platform that supports recording, has a similar form factor, and has similar graphics resolution?
05:58:46perldiverSoap i havent seen many "proper" ones yet :P
05:58:48Soapdefine "similar" graphics resolution?
05:58:53macdog12straight into the .rockbox folder not into the .rockbox/themes folder?
05:58:58Soapperldiver: well, let us not add to the improper ones.
05:59:05webguest65At least the same as iPod 4G
05:59:16webguest65(graphics resoution)
05:59:23SoapiRiver H320/H340
05:59:34Soapmacdog12: it depends on how the .zip was created.
06:00:00Mouser_Xwebguest65: The Gigabeat has a 240x320 display. I don't know if it supports recording though (I doubt that it does).
06:00:05perldivermacdog12, see inside the archive and compare the folders
06:00:05Soapwebguest48: the irivers have very mature recording.
06:00:42webguest65Soap: I have experience programming podzilla modules, none programming for rockbox, none programming for iRiver. Any gotchas when moving from iPod to iRiver, or does the Rockbox API hide all the hw dependent stuff?
06:02:29Soapwebguest65: I am not the one to ask on that - but I believe 99% of hardware stuff is hidden by the APIs, from what I've read.
06:02:56macdog12perldiver - extracted the theme... still loads up as just small text
06:02:57webguest65OK. Thanks for the advice, will be checking up on the iRiver H320/H340.
06:03:03Soapwhat level of recording do you need?
06:03:15perldivermacdog12 now you have to select a loaded theme
06:03:18SoapFor line-in works good enough for many tasks on the ipods.
06:03:22webguest65voice recording of memos
06:03:41puetzkwebguest48, iAudio also has recording (FM/mic/line in with the subpack). Screen resolution is lower though, 160x128
06:03:47webguest65Yes, the "line in" bit scares me too... a custom adapter is needed?
06:03:49perldivermenu button > browse themes
06:04:04Soapwebguest65: on the 5th gen, yes.
06:04:09webguest65(custom adapter needed for ipod I mean)
06:04:20macdog12ok the theme is in use, but the fonts are sstill tiny
06:04:32Soapwebguest65: I am not sure what the hardware support for the 4th generation and microphones is.
06:04:39webguest65How about the nano... same deal as with the 5g? custom adapter needed for recording?
06:04:45perldivermacdog12 what theme is that ?
06:04:53Soapall iPods only do line-in through the dock port.
06:05:07webguest65Basically I'm going to be buying new devices, so the 5g or nano are my only choices
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06:05:22SoapEarlier iPods could do mic from the headphone jack, but not the Nano, nor the 5G.
06:05:25jackfusionhi all
06:05:31puetzkwebguest48, new v2 nanos aren't supported by rockbox
06:05:35webguest65OK, got it about the line-in==dock port. Can I buy the dock-port line-in adapters, or do I have to build them?
06:05:37Mouser_Xmacdog12: You might need to install new fonts (if the theme didn't come with them).
06:05:40Soapwell, then you are kind of out of luck, as the H300 is an older device also.
06:05:42perldivermacdog12 is it smaller than you see on the screenshot?
06:05:51macdog12im talking tiny
06:05:54jackfusionare themes made mainly from configureation files
06:05:58macdog12i will install fonts
06:06:06Soapwebguest65: making line-in connectors is cheap and easy.
06:06:10perldiveryes, try installing fonts
06:06:11puetzkwebguest65, do you want line in or would a builtin mic be better (since you said voice memos)?
06:06:28webguest65puetzk: build in mic is better.
06:06:39puetzkwebguest65, iAudio x5 has that
06:06:49webguest65but I have to be able run my graphics/text/audio language quiz program too
06:07:12Soapand greyscale won't cut it?
06:07:14webguest65Does iAudio have a "reasonably" sized graphics screen?
06:07:19webguest65Greyscale will cut it.
06:07:19puetzkwebguest48, it's a rockbox device, 160x128 color screen
06:07:28webguest65But I have to find new devices I can buy in the store.
06:07:30puetzknot iPod video class, but not pathetic
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06:08:05webguest65puetzk: thanks for the tip, will google it
06:08:08jackfusionare themes made mainly from configureation files?
06:08:31perldiverjackfusion some use custom fonts
06:09:01Soapagain, font should be packaged with the theme if it doesn't come in the Rockbox font download.
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06:10:32webguest65What's the approx. price point of iAudio x5 compared to iPod 5g?
06:11:19puetzk~$250. Not sure how that compares
06:11:22webguest65And is it new enough that I can buy it in stores? (i.e. not an old model that I have to buy second hand)
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06:11:31jackfusionI am talking about placing pics and making thing act different.
06:11:43puetzkit's current production, though you'll probably have better luck ordering online than finding it at retail
06:12:08puetzk(depending how how good your local stores are anyway)
06:13:55webguest65And rockbox supports audio recording via the built-in mic of the iAudio? And I could start/stop such audio recording from within a custom module/program of my own uploaded to the iAudio?
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06:16:33webguest65BTW is the rockbox interface identical for all platforms? In other words if I experiment with Rockbox on my existing iPod, will it look basically the same on the iAudio?
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06:17:11macdog12pearldiver - i have loaded fonts and theme - still has small text, and wont play songs
06:17:29puetzkthe former yes, the latter I presume without direct knowledge (it supports various kinds of recordings triggered by time/volume/etc, so I think it's fully software controlled)
06:17:37pearldivermacdog12, do a reboot
06:17:41puetzkwebguest65, screen resolution, etc vary
06:17:51puetzknothing is drastically different
06:18:08webguest65Right, but I mean the basic Rockbox interface is identical for all platforms?
06:18:17webguest65Ah, OK, right, I see you answered that.
06:18:38pearldivermacdog12, select the theme again after reboot if needed and try to play something
06:19:14webguest65Finally, a bit of a heretical question... other than iPodLinux and Rockbox, what other options are there? Just trying to get a feel for what programming options I have with these devices.
06:19:19jackfusionwhen making themes do u still use config files to change pics and the way things act in rockbox?
06:19:22macdog12still no joy
06:19:26pearldiver(i hope you're not trying to play those lovely .sat files)
06:19:37puetzkwebguest65, there's obviously also palmos devices and the like
06:19:39pearldivermacdog12 ok, give some details whats happening
06:20:06webguest65Right, I meant for iPod class music player devices
06:20:06macdog12the fonts are still tiny in the top left hand corner
06:20:14macdog12Albums, Music etc
06:20:25macdog12scroll through the srtists and albums fine
06:20:33macdog12but there are no songs
06:20:44jackfusionhave u selected the font from the font list on the player?
06:20:44pearldiverok, you're trying to play .sat files
06:21:06Soapwebguest65: your only other real option is a PDA.
06:21:19macdog12so i need to delete all the songs that were on there?
06:21:31Mouser_Xmacdog12: Rockbox can't play SAT files.
06:21:37pearldivermacdog12, do you want to save them 1st or do you have copies on your PC?
06:21:45Soapwebguest65: the developement enviroments for the PalmPilots would allow you to drag-and-drop many basic form-driven applications.
06:21:46macdog12i have them all on my PC
06:21:58Mouser_Xmacdog12: Then delete the SAT files.
06:22:07Mouser_XThey're basically useless.
06:22:19macdog12ok, so whats the best way to do that and then get them back as not .SAT files?
06:22:33Soapwebguest65: and I must believe WinCE developement is even easier.
06:22:42Mouser_Xmacdog12: Connect to your PC, and delete them from Windows.
06:22:59Mouser_XThen, simply put them back on in their native format, without using the Gigabeat software.
06:23:12Mouser_XIn other words, dump them to the device as though it's a hard drive.
06:23:24puetzkthere's also platforms like the Trolltech greenphone, Nokia 770, etc.
06:23:45macdog12ok thanks
06:25:08Mouser_XGlad to help.
06:25:24jackfusionwhen making themes do u still use config files to change pics and the way things act in rockbox?
06:25:46Mouser_Xjackfusion: I would have to assume yes.
06:25:51webguest65Soap: going back to the line-in connectors, how do I build one? Are there instructions somewhere?
06:25:53jackfusionthank u
06:26:02webguest65(for the iPod 5g I mean)
06:26:11Mouser_Xjackfusion: Take a look at another theme that's on Rockbox, and see how it does its thing.
06:26:36jackfusionWhy do I have to post twice on here to get an answer?
06:26:40Soapwebguest65: see my recent posts in the recording forums for the links to A-the group buy for cheap dock connectors. B-pinouts for the dock connector,.
06:26:55Mouser_Xjackfusion: Usually, if someone doesn't answer, it's because they don't know.
06:26:59SoapC-brief recomendations regarding the process.
06:27:07Mouser_Xjackfusion: I don't know, I'm only guessing.
06:27:14webguest65ok thanks
06:27:19Mouser_XOtherwise, I would have answered sooner.
06:27:42jackfusionbut after posting a second time I get the answer.
06:27:55Mouser_XBecause I got tired of seeing you ask.
06:28:10Mouser_X(I saw you ask more than twice, just in different ways.)
06:29:02pearldiverjackfusion it really helps to look into manuals on, there are plenty on many topics:
06:29:06pearldiverfor example
06:29:29jackfusionI cut and paste the question from above then post for almost all my questions.
06:29:45webguest65Regarding the line-in connectors, is it feasible to hand-solder the wires to the pins? It looks pretty small...
06:29:49jackfusionI have been reading the manual
06:30:27jackfusionbut I would like costumize more then just the player.
06:30:34pearldiveralso, taking apart an already made theme was a good advice as well
06:30:56*Mouser_X goes AFK.
06:30:59jackfusionthat is what I will do.
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06:32:08macdog12Perldiver - why is it saying "No File!"
06:32:22pearldivermacdog12 what are you trying to do now?
06:32:50macdog12i copied some songs across just to test it
06:32:58macdog12and it sees the songs now but wont play them
06:33:21pearldiverdo you see the file names and a small icon indicating its a music file?
06:34:16jackfusionbut I would like to know why I have to post questions twice every time I ask a question in here, because I know that I should not post any way twice because of manniers.
06:34:30jackfusionon ircs and forums
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06:36:00pearldiverjackfusion we are all enthusiasts here providing support when we have some spare time and see a question we know the answer for
06:36:00macdog12but when selected it comes up with No File!
06:36:23pearldiverwhat kind of file is that?
06:36:29pearldivermp3? what bitrate?
06:36:53macdog12its a wma
06:36:59pearldiverthere you have it
06:37:01macdog12it has to be mp3?
06:37:05jackfusionI sorry if I am making any one upset
06:37:14pearldiverrockbox doesnt have a fully functioning support for wma just yet
06:37:21puetzkmacdog12, or ogg/flac/wavpack/several others. Not WMA though :-)
06:37:31macdog12so i have to convert every file?
06:37:41pearldiverall you have are wma's?!
06:37:47jackfusionuse itunes
06:38:01pearldiverthats unfortunate
06:38:04macdog12ripped from actual CDs
06:38:16pearldiverid rerip them if i were you
06:38:24jackfusionto convert to mp3/ogg/flac etc.
06:38:37pearldiverdont do "transcoding"
06:38:48pearldiver(converting wma into mp3s)
06:39:52macdog12why not
06:40:53pearldiverit kills the sound quality, generally speaking
06:41:27pearldiveryou're "compressing" the already "compressed" sound
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06:43:37pearldiverit all depends on your ears, headphones, hardware etc you're using of course
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06:44:00pearldiversome people cant tell the difference between 128kbps and 320kbps you know
06:44:36pearldiverothers detect all the small changes and eq curves
06:44:51jackfusionthank u to every one for ur help.
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06:45:14puetzkpearldiver, and bitrates. Nothing wrong with transcoding if you're dropping bitrate massively anyway.
06:45:27pearldiverwhat do you mean "massively" ?
06:45:50pearldiverbut transcoding is always wrong in my opinion
06:46:13puetzk-q6 ogg (~250kpbs) -> 96 kbps mp3 :-)
06:46:33puetzknot going to be transparent regardless, not going to be significantly worse for being a transcode
06:46:34pearldiveroh downgrading
06:46:56puetzkhad to squeeze pretty hard to fit on the old rio PMP300
06:47:16pearldiverthats some stip downgrading that might have a place yeah :P
06:48:22*puetzk notes a better solution would have been to replace the 32MB player a lot sooner...
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06:51:13XeRiUMhey where is the rockboy plugin on the site?
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06:51:48XeRiUManyone know? :o
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06:51:59LloreanXeRiUM: You don't download it separately.
06:52:16XeRiUMwhere can i find it? i dont believe it came with the build
06:52:34LloreanHave you read the manual on how to use it?
06:52:37LloreanIt's not a normal plugin.
06:52:52XeRiUMwhere can i find the manual for it?
06:52:58LloreanHave you been to the website?
06:53:05LloreanThere's a link to the manual download page on every page.
06:53:42LloreanRockboy may also not be supported for your player.
06:53:57XeRiUMoh, does it work on 5.5G 30gb ipod videos?
06:54:32LloreanYou could look that up in the manual too, y'know. Do you have something against manuals?
06:54:42LloreanYes, it works on the 5.5G
06:54:51puetzkLlorean, well, actually, that would be in the wiki :-)
06:55:00XeRiUMlol sorry man, im just reading it now and i cant see anything in the manual
06:55:04XeRiUMthanks puetzk
06:55:14Lloreanpuetzk: It's also in the manual.
06:55:28Lloreanpuetzk: Or it should be, there's something very wrong if it's not.
06:55:56puetzkoops, you're right. I didn't think most plugins were
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06:56:48LloreanXeRiUM: Yes, the iPod Video manual says *very* clearly how to use Rockboy. I'm astonished you couldn't find it. What did you type in your search?
06:57:19XeRiUMi just looked at the manual thingy :|
06:57:44XeRiUMwhich section is it under? im looking under plugins and there is only a very brief section about it
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06:58:01XeRiUMsorry im an idiot :(
06:58:11LloreanXeRiUM: A brief section that tells you exactly how to use it, though...
06:58:42LloreanDoes it really need long, complicated instructions when how to use it can be explained in a single sentence (though it uses a little bit more than that)?
06:59:07XeRiUMwell it just says "Rockboy is a Nintendo Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for Rockbox based on the gnuboy emulator. To start a game open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser. "
06:59:27XeRiUM:S i dont know where to find 'rockboy' on my player though
06:59:37LloreanWhat part of that says "run rockboy"?
06:59:58LloreanDo you run something before you click on a song in the file browser, or a movie, or a picture?
07:00:40LloreanIt means exactly what it says. You run the game file, not the plugin.
07:00:41XeRiUMso all i need is just the .gb file and it will automatically open
07:00:50XeRiUMah ok thanks man
07:01:16LloreanIf you read the header for the section, "Viewers" it explains all that.
07:01:52XeRiUMya shoulda read that :(
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07:02:48XeRiUMso can i make a directory anywhere in rockbox and save a bunch of .gb's, and i can just select and play them?
07:03:40XeRiUMtime to play me some pokemans
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07:05:12hachimy pokemans, let me show you them
07:05:36XeRiUMi love that picture
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07:09:55XeRiUMrofl it works
07:10:07XeRiUMbut the screen is small :(
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07:13:29XeRiUMthanks for all the help Llorean
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07:34:00floppyearswow, big channel :)
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07:41:55floppyearsdoes anybody know if more cowon players will get rockbox support ?
07:42:10Lloreanfloppyears: We don't plan to support specific players.
07:42:17LloreanBasically, it depends on people who have the players doing the work
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07:43:05LloreanSo, the answer is "If there are enough users with the determination, I'm sure they'll do it"
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07:44:27*floppyears wishes he had lots of free time to do the work :(
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07:45:37floppyearsstuff like this makes floppy wonder if he should have gotten an x5 instead of the cowon a2
07:47:31LloreanProbably. :-P
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07:49:41JoeyCapehi i'm new to wps customizing
07:49:59JoeyCapeand i'm facing a problem with the volume levels
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07:50:20JoeyCapei got the volume bitmaps seperated into 10 parts
07:50:50JoeyCapeand when i tested it out it seems to only move up to the 7 and then it disappears
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07:53:11LloreanJoeyCape: It's possible that your images are too large. There is a limit to how many total bytes of memory the images can take up
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07:57:22JoeyCapecos i was wondering is it due to the fact that i got 11 images in total including the 0 vol and empty battery
07:57:44JoeyCapewhich makes the number odd in a way that the calculations dun turn up correct?
07:58:19JoeyCapeso i should have like 5 images in total which is dividable by 100..
07:58:24JoeyCapeor something like that
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07:59:33LloreanJoeyCape: No, it's most likely just that your images are too large, like I said...
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08:00:54JoeyCapeaiite thank you.. i'll try reducing them
08:02:22LloreanUsing less of them will also work, of course.
08:02:35LloreanIt's just the total filesize of all your images added together needs to be smaller than a certain number.
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08:07:22JoeyCapeyea and also the alignment of the preloader and stuffs.. how do i know where it will pop up on screen while editing? is the alignment based on the lines used in the text editor?
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08:10:27Mouser_XJoeyCape: I'd create a "mockup" of the WPS you have in mind in an art program.
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08:11:13Mouser_XThen, use the coordinates that the art program provides, to position your images.
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08:20:16JoeyCapeyea i did that
08:20:21JoeyCapebut for the song info..
08:20:48JoeyCapethe %ac%fn
08:21:01JoeyCapei dun want it to appear at the left hand most
08:21:15JoeyCapebut rather a lil off the left of the screen
08:21:22LloreanAdd some spaces.
08:21:27JoeyCapehow do i do that? do i do that by inserting spaces
08:21:59JoeyCapeand the vertical alignment? like my preloader is supposed to align with the preloader backing that i have included in the bg
08:22:10JoeyCapebut now it appears like near the bottom of the screen
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08:22:48LloreanIt's entirely line-based.
08:22:54JoeyCapeis there like a wps simulator one can download so i dun have to plug n unplug my ipod over n over again just to test?
08:22:57LloreanAnd I have no idea what you mean by "preloader"
08:23:07JoeyCapeoops progress bar sorry*">
08:23:30LloreanOf course, it won't work if your WPS requires a custom build
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08:26:29JoeyCapewhat do u mean by custom build?
08:27:00LloreanAny patches.
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08:30:03JoeyCapeno patches
08:30:09JoeyCapei have no idea how to install them?
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08:37:05amiconnLlorean: Why am I still getting 'reported post' mails from the forum?
08:40:07Lloreanamiconn: I honestly don't know.
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08:48:25Lloreanamiconn: Let me know if you get one shortly, I've tried a change and reported a test post.
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08:48:50LloreanThe SMF documentation doesn't seem to want to tell me which of the various permissions puts you on the list for receiving those emails.
08:50:52GodEaterWebis the forums server under load this morning? It's very unresponsive here.
08:51:57*GodEaterWeb prepares to be mocked mercilessly for his latest post
08:52:39scorcheLlorean: speaking of which, am i not getthing them?...there was one mentioned that i didnt get
08:52:50scorcheas in did you change anything?
08:53:08Lloreanscorche: No, I didn't change anything for Experts recently
08:53:33LloreanYou should have just gotten one within the last couple minutes from me reporting a post made by Paul_the_Nerd
08:54:30scorcheLlorean: nope
08:54:57Lloreanscorche: I found that at one point the forum software decided it hated my email address. It refused to send to my old yahoo address, so I had to put a different email address as the one listed for my account.
08:55:20scorchei recently changed mine
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08:55:35scorcheand havent gotten any notifications since
08:55:39LloreanThat's probably it then.
08:55:53LloreanSomething either about the server of the forum software doesn't like your email address.
08:56:16scorchei am sure other people have gmail accounts listed there and get notifications..
08:56:47scorchei do like SMF though...the only forum software i have seen that handles "new posts" correctly
08:56:53LloreanHeck, I use a gmail account and get notifications.
08:57:16LloreanI *think* it may just be something fidgety on the server outside of SMF's domain.
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08:57:40LloreanSeeing as the bug has persisted identically across a couple version of SMF.
08:58:02Lloreanamiconn: So, any sign of the mail?
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08:59:05webguest20from SVN log: 2007-01-12 06:05 "Fixes Bass and Treble not being saved. Thanks to jba". It uses a lot of defines. Wouldn't it be better to define a logical names (like HAVE_BASS and HAVE_TREBLE) and use them instead?
08:59:24amiconnLlorean: nope
08:59:41amiconnwebguest20: No it wouldn't
09:00:12amiconnThe number of bits needed depends on the range and granularity of the setting. Hence the check for the various DACs
09:01:14Lloreanamiconn: Alright, one of the permissions did 'replying to locked topics, changing the poll expire time and viewing poll results' and apparently that also includes 'get included in Moderator mass mails'
09:01:43LloreanI honestly think "Lock all threads" should automatically include "Replying to locked threads"
09:01:58amiconnWhat puzzles me a bit is that I don't get these mails often.
09:02:11LloreanThey're fairly uncommon these days
09:02:12webguest20amiconn: aha! I see, just to know whether it's present is not enought. Thanks!
09:02:20LloreanOther than a recent 3 or so, there hasn't been one in quite a while
09:02:29amiconnI didn't get one for a few weeks, but it started again the last days
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09:02:37amiconnah ok
09:02:54amiconnAt least it's nice to know that people mostly behave
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09:03:17LloreanAs far as I'm aware, we don't even get spam any more, other than this one real problem user, it's shaping up into a pretty nice place.
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09:04:43GodEaterWebwow - that guy in the "recording on video" thread turned into a real potty mouth for no real reason
09:04:58GodEaterWeblike it's our fault he bought an iPod or something
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09:05:43webguest20He-he. The wiki page "UsingSVN" has the heading " Accessing source code via *CVS*" :-)
09:05:58Lloreanwebguest20: Because it's just the CVS page renamed until someone gets around to updating it.
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09:07:04scorcheLlorean: switched back to the old email and it works fine =/
09:07:06webguest20Llorean: but the commands have already been changed to svn...
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09:07:19Lloreanwebguest20: Ah, so it's just not completely updated
09:07:34Lloreanscorche: I wish I knew what caused that.
09:08:33GodEaterWebLlorean: How does it send the email ? Via a relay server somewhere, or does it connect directly to the receipients mail server ?
09:09:57techItchu guys know if rockbox supports gigabeat s30 ?
09:10:39Lloreanscorche: We don't have any log of that sort of error message.
09:10:41peturonly f30
09:10:44scorcheas in, it doesnt
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09:11:05LloreanGodEaterWeb: It's set to "PHP Default" so it basically depends on how our host has set up to send mail
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09:11:46LloreanWow, the error log is interesting: "Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!"
09:11:50LloreanIt sounds so excited.
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09:12:52peturdid you ban the idiot that reported Bagder's sansa post?
09:13:22scorchepetur: he is our current "problem user"
09:13:33scorcheand apparently, he uses TOR to get around the bans
09:14:15LloreanThere's really no effective way to be rid of him without probably gradually working through every proxy server on the internet.
09:14:35LloreanI can at least blacklist TOR exit nodes in one swoop, but I don't want to do that unless it becomes *absolutely* necessary.
09:14:47scorchewhich i would rather not do, and instead, just wait till he tires
09:15:04Lloreanscorche: If I would do it, it would only be temporary anyway.
09:15:28peturme reads a quote from Steve Jobs regarding 3rd party apps on iphone: 'These are devices that need to work, and you can't do that if you load any software on them.'
09:15:31scorcheLlorean: is it set to SMTP or sendmail?
09:15:34hachithere's always gotta be a dick somewhere in the world... can't figure out why
09:15:57scorchehachi: nature balances itself out
09:15:58peturhachi: sometimes he even makes it to president ;)
09:16:01Lloreanscorche: I do not know. All I know is what SMF is set to: "PHP Default", I don't know what the PHP default is at the host.
09:16:16GodEaterWebwho owns the host ?
09:16:16*B4gder jumps
09:16:26scorchethat was quick...
09:16:33B4gdernow why are some people such .. morons
09:16:48LloreanGodEaterWeb: Our hosting is provided by MisticRiver for the forums.
09:16:56LloreanB4gder: You saw what he reported regarding your post?
09:17:10B4gderI got a PM from him as well
09:17:14B4gderof the "nice" kind
09:17:14LloreanNot surprising.
09:17:17*GodEaterWeb is dying to know what he said
09:17:31petura dedicated dick, huh?
09:17:33GodEaterWebI thought your reply was funny Bagder :)
09:17:37*scorche also didnt get the notification mail, and missed out
09:17:39B4gder"Yea that might happen you Scandinavian piece of shit."
09:17:47GodEaterWeboooh harsh
09:17:48B4gderthat's me
09:18:20*scorche is amazed at the ways idiots try to appear to be intelligent
09:18:54GodEaterWebbtw Bagder - as far as I (and LinusN) could tell last night - my build server is ready to be added to the group
09:18:56LloreanSadly, there's almost no good way to be rid of him.
09:19:25B4gderbut we can delete his posts...
09:19:52peturhe'll give up in the end
09:19:54barfmy Gigabeat wont play audio. the playing screen counts up to 0:02 seconds then stops. any Gigabeat devs here?
09:19:58amiconnB4gder: I found a bug in the ViewVC display:
09:20:16amiconnIf a committer's name is longer than 10 chars, the display is messed up
09:20:37amiconnFound 2 occasions of 12-char long names...
09:20:59gotthardtbarf - what do mean counts up? are you playing mp3 or?
09:21:02amiconnI mean in annotate mode:
09:21:18barfbut it does it on all mp3s
09:21:23amiconnCheck e.g. lines 92 and 110
09:21:49barfcounts up means the elapsed playing time on the playing screen
09:21:51B4gderI see
09:21:55gotthardtbarf: strange - which build are you using? how recent?
09:22:10amiconnThe part to the right is replicated on each line for multi-line parts, e.g. lines 131-134
09:22:16B4gderbut I rather not attempt to fix viewvc
09:22:16barfgotthardt, im using
09:22:22B4gderI'm alergic to python
09:22:42Lloreanbarf: That's not your build, that's your bootloader.
09:23:09*scorche likes python
09:23:22barfoh sorry, 061221-1734
09:23:33barfis that it?
09:23:52barf(and it's a gigabeat Gigabeat F20)
09:23:53gotthardt12 21 was right before we got sound working.
09:24:02barfoh ok.
09:24:05*barf looks stupid
09:24:06gotthardtf20 should have no probs
09:24:10Lloreanbarf: In otherwords, you didn't download your build from
09:24:25barfthe link i pasted you is the same file installed on my gigabeat
09:24:49Lloreanbarf: You also extracted a, that has a rockbox.gigabeat file in it. THAT was the build.
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09:25:40barfright, i'll get onto that. thanks for explaining that
09:29:08barfoh yes! it works!
09:30:23gotthardtbarf: thats great!
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09:39:25dan_aLlorean: My solution to the current problem user doesn't appear to be possible with SMF at the moment, but it would be to set up a group whos posts are only visible to members of that group. That way, you could effectively ban problem users without them knowing they've been banned.
09:40:14dan_aUnless my new toy arrives, I'll have a look at the code for the forums and see if I can write something.
09:40:20JdGordonhahaha, good idea dan_a
09:40:25Lloreandan_a: That is a rather good idea.
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09:42:50dan_aIt might be worth putting in a feature request for that.
09:43:36GodEaterWebyep - it's ingeneous
09:44:55LloreanI think though, as a feature request, it should just be another Ban Type: "Invisible" rather than membergroup based.
09:45:03fejfighterThere could be a problem with dan_a's solution
09:45:17LloreanThen even as a Guest, if you've done an IP specific ban, they see their own posts but no others.
09:45:29dan_afejfighter: What's that?
09:46:04fejfighteronce the user begins to see posts that werent there before, they would know that they had been banned, unless it was changed so they can be the only one to see their own posts
09:46:14fejfighterunless i read it wrong
09:47:29dan_afejfighter: That's true, so Llorean's idea might be better. However, I think an invisible ban would be a rare thing
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09:50:38Lloreandan_a: I think that while it'd be a rare thing, it's value would be incredibly high for those few occasions it is the best tool for the job.
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09:51:00fejfighteri agree with llorean there
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09:52:00fejfighter"a last resort for the worst of offenders", and maybe have a banned group for temporary bans
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10:17:53macdog12hey guys
10:18:27macdog12just wondering how i actually install a patch after i have downloaded it?
10:18:40B4gderthe wiki docs isn't good enough?
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11:05:55amiconnZagor: What's the version of the svn server? Do we run 1.4.x ?
11:06:30Zagoryes, 1.4.2
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11:14:04amiconnZagor: So maybe we can switch to using the xml option?
11:14:25*amiconn doesn't know anything about python except that it's a scripting language
11:14:33Zagoryes, perhaps. I haven't yet looked att what that option means
11:20:36B4gderwe can now update the cvs link in the menu of the web site
11:22:46B4gderI still have a few scripts to fix, but nothing really major
11:24:38LloreanB4gder: Is the the final locatin?
11:24:46dan_aB4gder, Zagor: Did you see my comment last night about showing the revision number in a tooltip?
11:25:12B4gderllorean: yes, well as final as this transition is yes
11:25:48Zagordan_a: yes. it might be doable with some css trickery. I still don't think it's very useful though. anyone who wants to know it can get it by clicking any file
11:25:50LloreanB4gder: Well, that's what I meant. Will the 'SVN Builds' link point to that rather than an svn.shtml or whatno.
11:26:07B4gderyes it will
11:26:27B4gderzagor: "tool tips" work nicely with "title" at least in ff
11:26:42B4gderI'll try that later
11:27:00dan_aZagor: Ah, so they can!
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11:49:45pondlifeAny dircache experts around?
11:50:00habanacould become multi-language ?
11:50:23LinusNhabana: i doubt it
11:50:28pixelmaLlorean: around?
11:50:32habanaim hot for a french translation, in case of
11:51:14B4gderhabana: it would be an insane mission so I'll have to say no thanks
11:51:19LinusNhabana: tha problem is that the translations will always lag behind
11:51:43bluebrotherBagder: I'd like to move the doom game data shortly. Should we introduce a /.rockbox/gamedata for all games or put it below /.rockbox/doom like the other games currently do?
11:51:43habanaLinusN:dont think it a proble, more a partial answer
11:51:58pondlifedircache_do_rebuild() locks the sim, because it calls remove(), which in turn calls dircache_remove() which then blocks forever
11:52:18pondlifeI don't think is the cause of stkov on targets, but it's annoying nonetheless
11:52:40webguest65Hi there again, I'm back from the dead. I just installed rockbox for the first time to my iPod nano, looking good. Got a few development questions...
11:52:43B4gderbluebrother: I think it can get a folder on its own. like .rockbox/doom
11:53:20bluebrotherok, I'll use that then.
11:53:22habanaFor example, i discovered from their french page, and then continued to english ones to have latest/technical details
11:53:30LinusNhabana: other people have tried before you, and they soon stopped updating the french pages
11:54:30peturI'd really like all data in a parallel tree (saved cfg's, plugin saved stuff, game data, ... and the future settings) like .rockboxdata/
11:54:42B4gderpetur: I agree with that
11:55:03B4gderso that you can kill .rockbox without losing anything you'd car about when upgrading
11:55:13webguest65When rockbox starts I see a menu "Calendars, Contacts, Notes".... is that just the directory structure on my iPod?
11:55:22peturnow it's a major pita to wipe it
11:55:29scorchewebguest65: correct
11:55:40webguest65Is this always the first thing I see on startup?
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11:55:46bluebrotherpetur: agreed.
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11:55:51bluebrotherhmm, too late
11:55:53scorcheyes...i suggest that you read the manual
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11:56:23scorchewebguest65: yes...i suggest that you read the manual
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11:56:40webguest65_xDang it
11:56:45webguest65_xGot disconnected
11:57:00webguest65_xIs the directory menu always the first thing I see when I start rockbox?
11:57:01Lloreanpixelma: I am again for a bit.
11:57:01bluebrotherBagder: btw, the manual page doesn't have the html zips for download. Is this intended?
11:57:17scorchewebguest65_x: yes...i suggest that you read the manual
11:57:20bluebrotherwebguest65_x: yes, unless you switch to the database view.
11:57:27B4gderuh, no that's a mistake...
11:57:33bluebrotherthe manual explains this nicely
11:57:40webguest65_xWhat I want to do is write a custom app so as soon as rockbox starts, it's in my app. Is that easy?
11:57:46habanaLinusN: i really believe that at least the main page should have a translation with sp, en, de. Wouldn't it be easy ?
11:57:55habanaand fr ...
11:57:58LloreanB4gder, Petur, Others: Regarding a parallel tree, I think it'd be really nice if you could have a /voice subdirectory somewhere, where you could have specific voice strings.
11:58:19LloreanSuch a "" which is simply "Genres", so they can be used to match strings in tagnavi.
11:58:24LinusNhabana: could you explain why that is a good idea?
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11:58:55B4gderhabana: they would still lag behind and quickly become a nuisance
11:59:00bluebrotherBagder: and, didn't you want to make the pdf manual links static? They still contain the date string
11:59:22bluebrother(or did I get that wrong?)
11:59:22B4gderbluebrother: there are statick links, I just don't point to them (yet) on that page
11:59:39bluebrotherah, ok. Thanks :)
12:00:56webguest65_xIs it possible to auto-start a plugin in rockbox so the user never sees any menu?
12:01:04bluebrotherwebguest65_x: no
12:01:14bluebrotheror, not easily
12:01:32bluebrotherthere is support for a autostart plugin, but you need to activate that in the sources
12:01:45bluebrotherand I really don't know what this should be good for
12:01:45webguest65_xI'm willing to hack the source (compiling the cross compiler now).
12:01:51webguest65_xAh, an autostart plugin, that sounds very good.
12:02:22LloreanWhat do you want to autostart, anyway?
12:02:22webguest65_xThis would be good for running a custom language-learning program on the iPod as part of a language experiment
12:02:22bluebrotherso, why don't you just read the manual and get used to the concepts of Rockbox? They are a bit different, but once you get used to it they are really good
12:02:31webguest65_xI don't want users fiddling with menus, I want them just to see my program
12:02:50bluebrotherlanguage learning on an ipod?
12:03:02webguest65_xExactly. With a custom-written application. Part of a PhD thesis.
12:03:16bluebrotherwhy not use a standard PC?
12:03:23*bluebrother doesn't get the point
12:03:26webguest65_xI was using iPodLinux but ran into some technical limitations (recording). Actually I'm about to switch to the iAudio I think.
12:03:32webguest65_xThis is a mobile learning experiment.
12:03:32LinusNbluebrother: difficult to carry around?
12:03:51bluebrothercome on. That bit ...
12:03:56habanaLinusN:look at my example with
12:04:05habanaB4gder: i understand
12:04:06webguest65_xHopefully mobile devices can allow easier/better access to information, hopefully leading to better learning.
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12:04:27Mikachuactually i think there is a builtin functionality for autostarting a plugin, but it's ifdeffed out
12:04:53bluebrotherMikachu: that's what I meant
12:04:57webguest65_xGreat, if there is already some basic architecture showing me how to autostart something, I can probably hack the rest. I'll search the sources, thanks for the tip.
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12:05:18LinusNhabana: i don't see how it would help non-english speakers in any way
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12:05:26Mikachumain.c:/*#define AUTOROCK*/ /* define this to check for "autostart.rock" on boot */
12:05:56LinusNyes, they can read the front page, but they won't be able to install rockbox because they can't read the instructions
12:06:25habanaLinusN: my man are translated in french :)
12:09:23LinusNfor that to work, we would have to find a person who is willing to keep the french version of the manual up-to-date at all times, and today we can't even keep the english version up to date
12:09:41bluebrotherhow about adding the svn revision number to the version information?
12:10:22B4gdera glld
12:10:24B4gdera fine idea
12:10:31dan_aLinusN: It could be something to aim for at release time, though
12:10:51LinusNdan_a: i'd say "maybe"
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12:11:39bluebrotherok, hopefully I'll remember that tonight when I find time to look at RB sources again :)
12:12:05pondlifeBagder: Any chance you could make the "When" column on the front page recent commits table a bit wider? Compare the look with the CVS one (e.g. on the "last 4 weeks" page)
12:12:29dan_aLinusN, habana: I'd say it's impossible while the manuals are a moving target, but it should be easier when they aren't changing
12:12:36B4gderbluebrother: we should also make the build system use TZ=UTC for the time string
12:12:55B4gderit'd fix the problem with build servers setting different times
12:13:11LinusNB4gder: good idea
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12:15:52Lloreandan_a: It's not like translation of the manual need to happen *during* the freeze. Someone could submit a translation of the 2.5 manual even now for 2.5 users.
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12:16:56dan_aOf course, I'm English, so my idea of a translation is speaking louder and slower ;)
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12:19:31GodEaterWebB4gder: did you see my comment earlier re: my host being ready to add to the build server list ?
12:20:03B4gderdo email me your host name/IP and I'll add it
12:20:13B4gderas soon as I can
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12:21:34B4gdergot it
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12:41:42webguest65_xThis is cool, autostart works exactly as advertized :-) Thanks for the advice guys. Now, time to port my app from iPodLinux to RockBox...
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12:45:29*dan_a pimps FS #6528 - it needs testing by iPod/H10/Gigabeat people to see whether it affects CPU boost
12:48:02Lloreandan_a: I'll get to it Sunday on the Nano if it hasn't been tested by then.
12:48:26LloreanI don't have my any DAPs with me this weekend, oddly enough.
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12:55:21tucoz_workI just read about the html zips for the manual. i always found that confusing. i think to name it html (zip) is better than simply html
12:55:34dan_aLlorean: Thanks.
12:55:40Lloreantucoz_work: Makes sense to me.
12:56:16Lloreandan_a: I'm with my family. Todays my birthday, and ye can't pass up free cake if you've got someone to make it for yah.
12:56:39*tucoz_work sings happy birthday to Lloreay
12:56:57dan_aHappy birthday! Did you get anything nice?
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13:00:33ironi_hi all
13:00:49ironi_man, lots of ppl here nowadays =)
13:01:58Lloreandan_a: I'll know in about 12 hours.
13:02:03LloreanPeople are still sleeping here.
13:03:03LloreanWe've apparently got at least 4 forum members who share a birthday with me, though none the year.
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13:06:45adam1302hi can you go off topic here because i need help with a game
13:07:04peturonly if the game is a rockbox plugin
13:08:28adam1302its not
13:08:44LloreanSo, why would you actually *come* here for help with something unrelated?
13:09:05LloreanI suggest perhaps, gamefaqs. That's a place actually dedicated to, well, games. And questions. Specifically the intersection of said topics.
13:09:23adam1302well its not a plugin i dont think but i want to know if it will be
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13:09:54adam1302ok thanx
13:09:55habanaDid you know that a dev ported need for speed most wanted to rockbox ? i have the FAQ if you want to install it too (but you must own the licence!)
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13:10:23LloreanMuch like the original Doom port.
13:10:27LloreanLong before the real one.
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13:11:50pixelmahmm... forum session timed out while preparing the post... not nice
13:12:22peturlost the text?
13:12:48pixelmano - luckily it was still in my browser cache
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13:17:56ironi_zagor not here anymore?
13:19:30daurnimatorlinuxstb_: maybe after the av3, you'll know how to port to gmini402 easy (by what to grab from archopen sources ;) )
13:19:53linuxstb_daurnimator: You could follow my SVN commits for the av3, and do the same for the 402...
13:24:34habanaWhat the "e.g." means ? as for (e.g. a large font for in your car
13:24:46habanafor example synonim ?
13:24:52dan_ahabana: It means "for example"
13:26:04petur"exempli gratia"
13:26:28petur( )
13:28:31*petur discovers that rasher knows python
13:31:43LinusNi just love how the Simplified Guide To Compiling is twice as long as the Detailed Instructions On Compiling
13:32:41daurnimatorwhat is the best D/A out there?
13:32:49amiconnLinusN: They're simplified, nor shortened ;)
13:32:51LinusNit's the 45HG34
13:32:54daurnimatori've been told Cirrus Logic is best
13:32:57preglowdaurnimator: the one you'll never afford
13:33:00daurnimatorfollowed my bur brown
13:33:27preglowyou're talking about electronic components?
13:33:34peturslimdevices use burbrown
13:33:36preglowburbrown is nice, at least
13:34:12LinusNwe should announce a Wiki Cleanup Week someday
13:34:20peturpaying attention to the power circuit is at least as important
13:34:28LinusNoh, sorry, WikiCleanupWeek :-)
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13:34:36B4gderwe should plan the 2007 devcon-larger-and-better-than-ever someday
13:34:43daurnimatorany other advice?
13:34:49LinusNB4gder: weee, we should!
13:34:50peturany date on that yet?
13:34:59daurnimatori'll come to 2008 one
13:35:00*petur wants to make it this year
13:35:12B4gderpetur: any suggestions?
13:35:13daurnimatori get as many plane tickets as i want (for free) that year
13:35:26frogslegsLinus: just like the iriverflashing instructions, are very drawn out, could with a simpified version, leave out all the tech numbo jumbo
13:35:30linuxstb_Is there a wiki page about the mas pcm codec?
13:35:43daurnimatorthis is the D/A i am told is best:
13:35:46peturB4gder: no
13:35:56B4gderI'm thinking April perhaps
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13:36:05LinusNlinuxstb_: no, only data sheets
13:36:29preglowdata sheets??? pfaw
13:36:32preglowwho wants them, i say
13:36:38frogslegserr, are non coders invited, we could buy beer :>
13:36:48preglowfrogslegs: yes indeed you could, for the coders
13:36:52LinusNB4gder: i think using Contactor was good last time
13:36:55*petur wants to bring beer :D
13:36:58dan_apreglow: Me. Desparately. But not for the MAS
13:37:08frogslegshehe, then i'll be the beer gofor
13:37:09B4gderlinusn: I agree, it worked out nicely
13:37:16preglowpetur: and bring you shall, a case of westvleteren would be nice
13:37:17LinusNexcept for the food
13:37:21B4gderwe'd need to arrange the food better
13:37:27pixelmalinuxstb_: maybe the source of the wavplay plugin could be helpful?
13:37:32*bluebrother just notices Llorean getting older today. Happy birthday!
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13:39:24linuxstb_pixelma: Yes, but I was wondering if there was anything I could point the archopen developers at - archopen runs on some devices with the same MAS chip as the Recorders.
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13:43:11GodEaterWebI think I'd like to come to the devcon too this year
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13:46:51*nls_web apparently has the same bd as Llorean too :-)
13:47:11dan_aHappy birthday, nls_web!
13:47:22*petur copies bd wished to nls_web
13:47:32LloreanHappy Birthday nls_web
13:47:32*daurnimator waves
13:47:50B4gderhappy birthdays LLorean and nls!
13:48:13webguest65_xAny reason why the wavplay.c plugin won't compile for the iPod nano?
13:48:29LinusNwebguest65_x: because the nano doesn't need it
13:48:38B4gderbecause it isn't made for that target
13:48:54LinusNthe nano can play wav files without that plugin
13:48:56Lloreanwebguest65_x: wavplay.c is for hardware codec targets. The Nano has a wav codec.
13:49:06webguest65_xAha. Is there a code example of how can I play a wav file from a plugin in rockbox?
13:49:15LinusNwebguest65_x: no
13:49:17dan_aI've got a suspicion I might have guessed how to do clock skipping on the Portalplayer's COP... I'll test it later
13:49:27*pixelma also sends a "happy birthday" to Llorean and nls_web :)
13:49:42LinusNdan_a: what is clock skipping?
13:50:13dan_aLinusN: From what I hear, the COP can run at 1/2 or 1/4 of the CPU speed
13:50:50nls_webthanks fellows :-D
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13:51:02dan_aOr it might be that the COP and CPU can run at 1/2 or 1/4 of the clock speed, which might be another way to get round the frequency scaling problems
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13:51:59linuxstb_dan_a: With the asm memcpy/memmove, are you now getting MP3 playback without skips on your 3g?
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13:52:24dan_alinuxstb_: No.
13:52:47webguest65_xIf I want to play back a WAV file in a plugin, what's the easiest way? Rip code from playback.c?
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13:52:50linuxstb_But the boost is less than 100%?
13:53:00dan_aIt gets down to about 96%
13:53:25LloreanBut it'll pass 100% too?
13:53:50linuxstb_webguest65_x: Look at any of the plugins with sound. I would say look at mpegplayer, but I'm not 100% happy with the way that's working yet.
13:53:52dan_aLlorean: No, 100% is the max.
13:54:18webguest65_xlinuxstb_: Thanks
13:54:56Lloreandan_a: Well, I meant "it reaches 100%, then the buffer empties"
13:54:58linuxstb_webguest65_x: I'm thinking the plugin library (apps/plugins/lib/) should contain some routines to help plugins play audio, and may implement that for use in mpegplayer.
13:55:01LloreanAs in "it would like to have more than 100% available to it"
13:55:02dan_alinuxstb_: Playback skips always occur at the same time as the disk spinning up. I wonder if that's an effect of the problem or the cause
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13:55:39dan_aLlorean: Oddly, it doesn't seem to be working that way.
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13:56:03linuxstb_Is it any different without the priority scheduling?
13:56:16webguest65_xlinuxstb_: that sounds very useful
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13:57:46linuxstb_webguest65_x: But the basic idea is that you need to manage a buffer in your plugin with PCM audio, and write a "get_more" function which the Rockbox audio driver calls (from an interrupt) to get more data to feed to the DAC.
13:58:50bluebrothercp /Llorean/Happy Birthday /nls_web :)
14:01:36dan_alinuxstb_: I've not tested that yet
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14:02:34webguest65_xlinuxstb_: thanks, I'll look at mpegplay and try to do the buffer management as you say.
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14:03:13frogslegsi dont really understand the following, are there two items that needs to flashed ?
14:03:17frogslegsNow it's the time to decide if you want to put the Rockbox RAM image (/rockbox.iriver), ROM image (.rockbox/rombox.iriver) or both of them in flash. The ROM image is run directly from flash ROM, and the RAM image is loaded from ROM and executed in RAM. It recommended to have ROM image already present, because it can be started using the reset button and the bootloader's reset cookie failsafe system.
14:04:24frogslegsand do i flash the (.rockbox/rombox.iriver) image the same way as the other
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14:05:24frogslegsthe above is extracted from
14:06:25peturfrogslegs: and what are you trying to do?
14:06:27roolkufrogslegs: yes, they ar both flashed the same way. However to flsh rombox you stillneed an extra patch to update the flash plugin (unless Slasheri has updated that recently)
14:07:09frogslegsthe rombox.iriver image if a different part of the OS ?
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14:07:57roolkufrogslegs: no, it contains the same code as rockbox.iriver but linked so it runs from a different address space (the rom)
14:08:29frogslegsok so Either way achieves the same objective, putting the firmware in flash
14:08:50LloreanNot quite.
14:08:53roolkufrogslegs: rockbox needs to be copied to ram first, rombox runs from rom - you can decide which one to use at boot time
14:09:04LloreanOne just stores it from flash and runs in RAM, the other runs directly from flash.
14:09:52*roolku prefers rombox
14:10:37frogslegsonce rockbox.iriver is flashed it resides in rom right
14:11:06roolkuyes, but it will be copied to ram before execution
14:11:50roolkusimilar as loading from disk but faster
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14:12:54frogslegsah i see, so i can have it do all its copying to rom instead of flash
14:13:44roolkurom = flash = flashrom (not sure what you are trying to say)
14:14:43frogslegsno matter, i dont really understand that, all i need to know is, do i NEED to do both, if not then i'll stick with flashing rockbox.iriver
14:16:01roolkuWell, you only NEED to flash the bootloader
14:16:16roolkuthat will allow to load rockbox from disk
14:16:40frogslegsand if i want the firmware in ram, then i flash rockbox.iriver
14:16:54nls_webor load from disk
14:17:12roolkuif in addition you also flash rockbox.iriver, that you get faster boot times (but need to remember to do it again when rockbox changes)
14:17:39roolkuthat = then
14:18:22frogslegsthanks, that clarifies it, just didn't understand the rombox thing, (still dont)
14:19:40peturfrogslegs: you can have the bootloader load rockbox from disk (standard) or from 'rom'. in the latter case you can even have it run from rom, not load to ram.
14:20:57dan_afrogslegs: Not loading Rockbox into RAM means that there is more RAM free to buffer audio, giving slightly better performance and battery life
14:21:23*petur suspects it will run slower
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14:22:44*petur is sure, but doens't know if it is _noticably_ slower
14:23:25roolkunobody has evaluated it for iriver yet - there is no notable performance impact
14:24:48roolkunoticeable even
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14:25:35*roolku want codecs and plugins in rom as well. :)
14:25:57peturand one demo song?
14:26:06amiconnpetur: I wouldn't expect a big performance hit because of the coldfire's instruction cache
14:26:21roolkupetur: sure
14:26:35frogslegsah so there are two levels of memory, rom and flash
14:27:01roolkufrogslegs: no RAM and (flash-) ROM
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14:28:46frogslegs*sigh*, i'll look for pictures somewhere, thanks
14:30:30nls_webJus thought that we will need some sort of illustration if this will ever be in the manual :-)
14:30:39nls_webJust, even
14:31:14peturfrogslegs: is this a first install or are you trying to reach something specific?
14:33:39frogslegspetur, this is the first time i'm flashing
14:34:24peturjust follow iriverboot (only flash the normal bootloader) and install rockbox itself on disk
14:34:25frogslegswhat I dont understand is if those two rockbox.iriver and rombox have to be done and if so in what order
14:35:08peturunless you really want to install rockbox completely in flash
14:35:18frogslegsyep thats what I want to do
14:36:02LinusNfrogslegs: do you know why do you want that?
14:36:27frogslegsspeed, for speed why else
14:37:05frogslegsI dont really need to do anything, but if the stuff there and one can do it why not ?
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14:38:09B4gderthe big why not seems to be that you don't seem to understand it ;-)
14:38:32frogslegsyep, but I am trying to follow instructions
14:38:35B4gderand if something causes bricked players, it is non-understanding
14:38:51frogslegsand its is a bit vague, there
14:39:27frogslegsbrickness can be understood, one expensive paperweight,
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14:40:30frogslegswell, the rombox needs a patched thingy anyway it seems, so i'll leave that out
14:40:33nls_webI want to try too, Normal: Bootloader copies rockbox from disk to ram where it is executed, rockbox.iriver in flash: bootloader copies rockbox from flash to ram where it is executed, rombox in flash: rockbox executes directly from flash :-)
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14:42:03B4gderthe latter is often called XIP, execute in place
14:42:04frogslegsthere you have it, in a nutshell
14:47:45linuxstb_petur: What line-endings does "svn diff" generate on your CR/LF setup?
14:48:06frogslegsso to have rockbox.iriver do everything from rom i'd have use Rombox ?
14:49:38peturlinuxstb_: CRLF iirc
14:50:04peturfrogslegs: yes
14:50:08nls_webfroglegs, yes, but you will have to use rombox.iriver not rockbox.iriver.
14:50:31frogslegsahah, now to find this rombox thingy
14:50:49*petur walks off
14:50:50nls_webhowever I'm not sure if slasheri has commited everything yet (?)
14:51:09nls_webmobox.iriver should be in the .rockbox directory in recent builds
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15:17:08GodEaterWebburpy hapday Llorean :)
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15:39:26markundan_a: the Gigabeat doesn't support CPU boosting atm btw
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15:41:37dan_amarkun: Ah. The patch should be valid anyway (you may need to set what ARM architecture the CPU has) but it will be more difficult to see if it's making any difference
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15:43:00amiconnmarkun, dan_a: Why not run a memcpy speed test?
15:43:27*amiconn has a plugin for testing correctness and speed of memset(), memcpy() and memmove()
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15:46:29dan_aamiconn: Where can I get this plugin?
15:47:41linuxstb_dan_a: earHertz (IIRC) did some work on memcpy/memmove - if you search the forums for memcpy, you should hopefully find his threads with test results of different implementations.
15:47:56linuxstb_Sadly he disappeared without providing his final patches...
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15:49:00*amiconn should probably commit this test plugin
15:50:26B4gdersounds like a good idea
15:50:30lowlightdan_a: your next dap...sansa connect :)
15:51:24lowlightsansa with wifi
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15:52:38lowlightB4gder: did you get my email for svn access yesterday?
15:53:27dan_alowlight: It looks nice... I'm out of money, though, after buying a Pyranha 4 Twenty. It might not have wifi, or even a DAC, but it should be fun!
15:54:56*lowlight googles
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15:55:56B4gderah yes I did
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15:56:40patrick0007Hi everyone, I was curious if Rockbox can be used on my Archos 504
15:57:27markunpatrick0007: no
15:57:47patrick0007darn, do you know of any alternatives?
15:58:01markunthe frontpage should tell you which players are supported
15:58:10markunpatrick0007: ask the guys
15:58:11dan_alinuxstb_: Is earHertz the same as TP Diffenbach?
15:58:22B4gderyes i think so
15:58:30linuxstb_I think so too...
15:58:39patrick0007markun: thanks
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15:59:42GodEaterWebdan_a: did you try calling nVidia's UK office yet today ?
16:00:01dan_aGodEaterWeb: No, unfortunately I'm tied up with the day job
16:00:25GodEaterWebpesky things those
16:00:50GodEaterWebmine's slack today though ;) Just been out for a curry.
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16:01:37GodEaterWebabsolutely nothing of any use on that post I made on the nVidia forums
16:02:19dan_aDo their staff use the forums, though?
16:03:38GodEaterWebI did look for staff posts first
16:03:47GodEaterWebtheir "Contact us" section is still useless
16:04:10dan_aIf it has phone numbers, that's good enough for me!
16:04:54dan_aI've not heard from the Austriamicrosytems guy yet. I hope the request isn't just going to fall into a black hole :(
16:06:05GodEaterWebwhat *is* the day job btw dan_a ?
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16:06:35*GodEaterWeb is always curious about what people do IRL
16:07:38dan_anetwork / systems admin
16:08:09GodEaterWebfor ?
16:11:13*dan_a gets suspicious ;)
16:11:33GodEaterWebheh - fair enough
16:11:37GodEaterWeblet's say MI6 :)
16:13:27kkurbjundoes anyone know what value menu_show returns when you exit out of a menu rather then selecting an option?
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16:16:40lowlightMENU_SELECTED_EXIT ?
16:19:04kkurbjunahh, great, thanks for that
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16:40:13webguest90is someone now what is cold sart detection for? cause this is missing in Iaudio port, and I don't know if that's importante or not
16:40:53webguest90I want to switch to rockbox, but still wondering...
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16:41:58KCCI was wondering the same, webguest
16:42:06KCCthe gigabeat is also missing coldstart detection
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16:42:55GodEaterWebI would imagine if it's not been included for a given target, it's either not necessary, or not considered very important
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16:43:42webguest90that's why I wanted to know if someone here now what is it for
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16:44:09GodEaterWebstarting your DAP when the temperature is below freezing ? :)
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16:45:05webguest90goodbye and thx anyway
16:45:24webguest90I thought that the irc chanel was a technical one ;)
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16:45:28GodEaterWebt is
16:45:32GodEaterWebtoo late
16:45:52GodEaterWebI can't even find where it's mentioned on the wiki
16:49:15perl|workwell that was quick
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16:50:33amiconnColdstart detection is only for running rockbox from rom with no separate bootloader
16:51:07*linuxstb_ reads about the AV3xx's LCD - 2 YCbCr video planes, 2 bitmap planes (2/4/16/256-color from a YCbCr palette) and a hardware cursor...
16:52:09linuxstb_... and transparency for the bitmap planes.
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16:56:18lowlightI see Apple now says Samsung inside iPhone
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16:57:57lowlightsome speculation here...
16:58:00webguest27Will there be a rockbox "firmware" for archos 404?
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17:33:58JazzisDoes anyone know what happened to the Sansa E200 daily build?
17:34:59dan_aJazzis: The build system is being changed at the moment. There haven't been any major Sansa changes recently anyway.
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17:59:01JazzisI see, definately looking forward to the Sansa Port
18:00:02dan_aWe're only an audio driver away from it being worthwhile :)
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18:28:27sandeencan rockbox on an ipod do spoken menus?
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18:30:14preglowa bit sluggishly, though
18:31:24sandeenbetter than nothing for a relative who is blind?
18:31:29sandeenshe has an ipod and it is completely worthless
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18:33:39preglowi'd expect it's better than nothing, yes
18:33:43preglowgive it a try, it's not much work
18:33:59sandeenyou can always go back right :)
18:34:13sandeenis there any mechanism on windows for generating the speech files?
18:34:20sandeenor is there a faq I should be reading...
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18:44:04Redbrevasandeen: You could start from
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18:45:05sandeenRedbreva, thanks. Is the ipod a "first class" rockbox citizen, IOW are most rockbox features available on the ipod?
18:45:15*sandeen wanted to get something similar going for the squeezebox too...
18:45:22sandeenbut that's neither here nor there :)
18:46:41preglowmore or less first class
18:46:51preglowit's got almost all features, but it's kind of slow here and there
18:46:54preglowdue to lack of cpu power
18:47:57sandeenok... thanks. does that mean this bit on the wiki is out of date? "Rockbox boots and runs (with audio playback) on the 4G Photo/color, 4G Grayscale, Nano, 5G/Video and Mini 1G and 2G"
18:48:03sandeenI read "without audio playback"
18:48:05sandeennever mind...
18:48:41RedbrevaAs someone who just starts a playlist and does not touch it again till it's finished most of the time, I find it easier and faster to use than the apple firmware!
18:48:42sandeencool, I'll play with it, since it's idle now anyway.
18:48:46Mikachuit should say Nano 1G
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18:49:52Redbrevaand don't forget to read the friendly manual ;-)
18:50:47sandeenyes will do :) sorry, always a balance between askinga couple quick questions of knowledgeable people, and RTFM'ing :)
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19:16:01Watjeehm, does rockbox still use power when I've turned my ipod off?
19:16:23Watjeebecause it has happened several times now that my battery's where empty when I tried to turn it on
19:16:44Watjeeand they worked fine when I turned my ipod off
19:17:11perl|workdoes your tv still show programs when you turn it off?
19:17:25Watjeeno, it doesn't
19:17:31Watjeebut my tv still consumes a lot of power
19:17:40Watjeewhen it's in standby
19:17:43perl|workthat might as well be applied to rockbox on ipod
19:18:07Watjeethat's too bad
19:18:23perl|workminus the stand by mode of course
19:18:32perl|worktheres nothing going on when the device is off
19:18:41Watjeehm, very strange then
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19:19:18perl|workhow long was the period between you used your unit for the last time?
19:19:34Watjee~2 hours
19:20:06Watjeemy ipod was working fine when I turned it off
19:20:30Watjeeand it didn't even boot when I tried to turn it on again
19:20:44perl|workdue to the drained battery?
19:20:54Watjeethink so
19:21:05perl|workwhat was the battery status when you turned it off?
19:21:26Watjeeuhm, like 40% I think
19:21:28perl|workare you sure you just didnt leave it playing music and it turned itself off?
19:21:48linuxstb_Watjee: Rockbox should shut down the ipod completely on the ipods.
19:22:16WatjeeI'm pretty sure perl|work
19:22:17linuxstb_i.e. consume no (or negligible) power.
19:22:21Watjeebecause it has happened before
19:22:31Watjeeso I waited until I saw the 'shutting down' notice
19:22:34Watjeeand then I turned the lock on
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19:23:22perl|workhow old the unit is? was it brand new or refurbished?
19:23:36perl|workwhat generation?
19:23:55Watjee4 months, brand new, 5.5gen
19:24:48linuxstb_Someone else reported a shutdown-related problem on the 5.5g - in that case it would immediately power back up when Rockbox shutdown.
19:25:02Watjeehm, at the forums someone says "I have an Archos Jukebox Recorder 20Gigs and since I flashed it, it seems that the battery life is a lot shorter. I'd say that it gets discharged even when it's turned off."
19:25:19Watjeemaybe that's the case
19:25:26linuxstb_Any problems on the Archos Recorder wouldn't apply to the ipods.
19:26:07Watjeebut I can't test it right now
19:26:20Watjeebecause my ipod doesn't charge when I connect it to the usbport
19:26:33Watjeeit only says 'ok to disconnect'
19:26:42JoeyCapey does my volume level go up from -58db to 0db and then the image disappears. it doesn't go up till 6db..
19:26:54perl|workyou should fully charge it and test the battery life playing some mp3s dill it drains out
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19:27:53perl|workWatjee was it charging from the same usb port before?
19:28:00Watjeeyes it was
19:28:07WatjeeI've had this problem before
19:28:15Slasherihmm, svn feels so much better once you get used to it. For example svn diff produces the diff immediately without waiting :)
19:28:21WatjeeI had to charge it with my normal charger
19:28:28Watjeeand then I could charge it via usb :/
19:28:49perl|workthats some weird battery behaviour
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19:29:07perl|workdid it all come with rockbox?
19:29:13JoeyCapehi can anyone help me with customizing wps?
19:29:26Watjeeperl|work: I've never ran out of power before I had rockbox
19:29:30Watjeeso I don't know
19:29:55perl|workyou should do the same tests with stock firmware and rockbox
19:30:13perl|workand then go from there
19:30:35perl|workjust fully charge it and play songs till you drain it
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19:35:26PaulPositionFrom the vmware image, is it possible to apt-get (or something) svn?
19:35:44linuxstb_Try "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get install subversion"
19:35:46JoeyCapethanks for the link.. i've read them all but they dun seem to clarify my situation..
19:35:57linuxstb_(as root)
19:36:07JoeyCapeits ok i'll monkey with the images.. i bet its sumthin to do with the images i use
19:36:30PaulPositionlinuxstb - Thanks, I'll have a try and will rtfm if it doesn't work.. Least I have a hint. :)
19:36:56linuxstb_PaulPosition: It would be useful know if it works.
19:37:45PaulPositionI'll happily tell you when I'm done. :)
19:41:07PaulPositionlinuxstb - Went like a charm. Of course the image file inflated a bit but I'm checking out rockbox-devel right now and it went sweetly :)
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19:42:27PaulPositionlinuxstb: thanks.
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19:52:31x1jmpwhy does the bootloader "sometimes" load the iriver firmware after the reset button was pressed?
19:52:42x1jmpon the H1X0
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21:16:26webguest60when u have rockbox on your 30gb ipod can u switch it from rockbox to back to normal ipod without uninstalling rockbox from your ipod
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21:18:43FebsTurn on the ipod and then immediately turn on the "hold" switch.
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21:19:49webguest60thats it?
21:22:01webguest60anyway u can see your songs the same way u do on ur ipod format
21:22:28webguest60i have trouble trying to find them
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21:23:06Febswebguest60: Use the database. The manual explains how this works.
21:23:44webguest12is there any way to play halflife on your ipod using rockbox?
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21:24:32webguest12or is there any way to play counter strike on your ipod using rockbox?
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21:26:15GodEaterwebguest12: you're kidding right ?
21:26:55GodEaterwell the answer is no
21:27:04webguest12ive seen it done on idoom tho
21:27:28webguest12wouldnt it be the same thing for rockdoom?
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21:33:59RedbrevaI am getting a message that VMware tools is out of date on the latest vmware image... anyone know how to re-install them?
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21:36:41amiconnSlasheri: RED!
21:37:17Slasheriamiconn: fixing : )
21:37:21GodEaterRedbreva: do you even know what they do ?
21:37:42Slasheriamiconn: hmm, build tables did not update yet
21:38:01Redbrevasupposed to make graphics and mose work better is my understanding
21:38:10Redbrevamose! mouse even
21:38:12Slasherithat is moved to a new place
21:38:21*amiconn is a bit disappointed regarding the svn move
21:38:42GodEaterRedbreva: do you know where the "Install VMWare Tools" option is in the VMWare menu?
21:38:42amiconnThe most important page is only half-working and not yet linked properly
21:38:45Slasherii like the svn, it works much better than cvs did
21:38:46Redbrevayep - done that
21:39:07amiconnSlasheri: I am referring to the move, not svn itself
21:39:15GodEaterRedbreva: ok, then run "dmesg" from a command prompt inside the running vmware image
21:39:15Slasheriamiconn: yes, i understand
21:39:20GodEater(as root)
21:39:36RedbrevaOK, done
21:39:41Slasheriah, it seems it's time to commit the bootloader also
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21:47:38Slasherinow i need someone with H120/H140 to double test the new bootloader before i put it in IriverFlashing wiki
21:48:22Slasheriit should work fine (i have tried all possible things i could imagine)
21:48:24GodEaterwhat's different about this version ?
21:48:57Slasheriit supports actually running rockbox from ROM, plenty of minor bugfixes and a new failsafe menu system
21:49:12GodEaterI've got my iriver rombox'd already
21:49:16GodEaterdoes that matter ?
21:49:32Slasherino, i doubt you have romboxed it
21:49:37Slasheriyou have actually ramboxed it :)
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21:49:59GodEaterhehe ok
21:50:06GodEaterbut will that matter ? :)
21:50:19Slasheriit shouldn't matter, anyway you need to upgrade bootloader if you want continue using rockbox from flash
21:50:29Slasheriwould you like to try?
21:50:30GodEaterwell alrighty then - I'll test it
21:50:36Slasherigreat :)
21:50:42GodEatergimme a few
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21:50:48Slasherijust do a fresh svn checkout, and i will send the bootloader image to you
21:51:17icuhow does one read the changelogs for the svn builds ?
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21:51:30Slasherisvn log -v −−limit 3
21:51:35Slasherisomething like that
21:51:55*GodEater starts his checkout
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21:53:50roolkuSlasheri: has the bootloader or anything related changed? I have been running rombox for ages :)
21:53:57GodEaterslasheri: checked out
21:54:01GodEaterhit me with the image
21:54:08Slasheriroolku: yes, you should upgrade now too :)
21:54:11x1jmpwhat's the advantage of having rockbox in ROM, and what do you mean with ramboxed?
21:54:19SlasheriGodEater: ok, i will try dcc
21:54:23pixelmaicu: they are available on the frontpage since last night too
21:54:42roolkuSlasheri: okay, reversing patch - svn up
21:54:45Lloreanx1jmp: There are three ways you can boot Rockbox
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21:55:28Lloreanx1jmp: 1) Bootloader in ROM loads rockbox from disk into RAM, 2)Bootloader in ROM loads Rockbox from ROM into RAM (faster boot, no spinup), 3) Rockbox executes from ROM (still fast bootup, a little more free audio buffer)
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21:55:38GodEatergot it
21:55:39Slasheriroolku: great, i will send the image to you also to try :)
21:55:52pixelmaicu: (but only the latest activity so far)
21:56:02webguest01when loading rockbox it says error no playlist control, what do i need to do
21:56:05Slasheriroolku: please try it after GodEater has verified it does not brick the player :)
21:56:34Slasherior the other way
21:56:55x1jmpsounds interesting, I'd also like to test that bootloader :)
21:57:07webguest01mouser u ther
21:57:14Slasherix1jmp: check the IriverFlashing wiki page
21:57:23webguest01when loading rockbox it says error no playlist control, what do i need to do
21:57:27roolkuSlasheri: sorry I seem to have messed up the dcc can you try again please
21:57:36Slasheriroolku: ok :)
21:57:53Slasheriroolku: does it work now?
21:57:53icuis this the page for bleeding edge builds from now onwards ?
21:57:59Lloreanwebguest01: It's not a major concern. That shouldn't affect your use.
21:58:11webguest01well where r my files
21:58:19Lloreanwebguest01: Have you read the manual?
21:58:24LloreanThey're wherever you put them.
21:58:40webguest01should be in ipodcontrol?
21:58:49roolkustrange I have set it to accept files of type *.iriver
21:59:02GodEaterSlasheri: I have to boot the iriver firmware to install this bootloader right ?
21:59:10Lloreanwebguest01: If you synced with iTunes yes. Read the section on using the database, because the filenames will not be human usable.
21:59:18SlasheriGodEater: no, just use the fresh rockbox from svn
21:59:19Lloreanicu: Yes.
21:59:36webguest01it was working last night and i took it all off
21:59:37GodEaterok - one sec
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21:59:53SlasheriGodEater: and please follow the wiki page
22:00:08*GodEater builds it
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22:00:47webguest01how come when i go to file view and click on show music files nothin comes up
22:00:51icuSlasheri, are you going to put the bootloader on the iriverflashing page
22:01:08Lloreanwebguest01: You still have to be in the same folder as your music.
22:01:12roolkuSlasheri: I have now set it to accept *.* could you try again please (stupid irc)
22:01:13Slasheriicu: yes, after it has been verified working fine
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22:01:28Slasheriroolku: hehe, coming now :)
22:01:38webguest01what do u mena
22:01:46Slasheriroolku: now it worked :)
22:01:47roolkuthats better :)
22:02:03GodEaterSlasheri: which wiki page you want me to follow explicitly?
22:02:04icudoes one have to patch a build for iriver rombox ?
22:02:09Lloreanwebguest01: It's a file browser... you have to browse to where the music is. All setting it to "Music" does, is hide non-music files. You still have to browse the filetree.
22:02:12SlasheriGodEater: IriverFlashing
22:02:33Slasheriicu: no
22:02:58webguest01how do u get to the file tree then
22:03:32Lloreanwebguest01: It's what you're looking at, on the screen.
22:03:42Lloreanwebguest01: Please, read the manual again. This time pay more attention to it.
22:03:44*GodEater remembers this page now
22:04:20webguest01should u see the ipodcontrol folder on screen as a selection?
22:04:27roolkuSlasheri: my old (patched) iriver_flash refused to flash the boot loader ... still compiling the new one
22:04:47Lloreanwebguest01: I believe that folder is by default hidden.
22:04:49linuxstbwebguest01: The ipod_control folder is hidden, so is only visible with "show all"
22:05:07linuxstbBut it's not very interesting - if you have music in there, you are better of using the database.
22:05:32webguest01there now i see it
22:06:06webguest01anyway to have it say the names of the songs just like the ipod would?
22:06:11Slasheriroolku: yep, you need the new one :)
22:06:30Lloreanwebguest01: You've now had two people recommend database to you... and it basically does what you just asked for.
22:07:06webguest01i found the database
22:07:51webguest01but instead of it saying fld 1 or whatever and not the whole song name just some letters, how to make it show the whole name of the song when u r searching for a song
22:08:15Lloreanwebguest01: Use Database. It's a feature of Rockbox
22:08:19linuxstbUse the database - read the manual...
22:08:26LloreanWhat you're seeing is not "the database" or "a database", you're just seeing files.
22:08:55webguest01what section do i read then
22:09:04Lloreanwebguest01: Search for "database"
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22:10:15webguest01so i need to load it the correct?
22:10:29LloreanFollow the instructions in the manual.
22:13:38webguest01Export modifications.
22:13:38webguest01This allows for the runtime data to be exported into
22:13:38webguest01Import modifications.
22:13:38DBUGEnqueued KICK webguest01
22:13:38webguest01Allows the /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt backup to be conveniently loaded into the database. This is performed automatically when the database is initialised
22:13:49webguest01do u recommend doing this
22:13:52webguest01Export modifications.
22:13:54webguest01This allows for the runtime data to be exported into
22:13:54webguest01Import modifications.
22:13:54webguest01Allows the /.rockbox/database_changelog.txt backup to be conveniently loaded into the database. This is performed automatically when the database is initialised
22:14:17webguest01do i need to does thoese exported and imported things
22:14:51LloreanPlease do not paste multiple lines into the channel, even once.
22:15:43SoapOh lord, VMware player doesn't like my AMD K-6 III.
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22:15:56x1jmpboth ram and romboxing mean deleting the original firmware?
22:16:20Slasherix1jmp: of course, there is no room for the original fw
22:16:44GodEateroh dear....
22:17:01SlasheriGodEater: hmm, did you succeed?
22:17:16amiconnSlasheri: If we knew how the of is loaded to ram so that we could handle that ourselves, it would be possible to retain the of
22:17:28GodEaterit just seems to have got stuck at the point where it says "loading firmware"
22:17:35amiconnEither by loading from disk, i.e. rolo, or by having a compressed image in rom
22:17:48Slasheriamiconn: but can we know it doesn't use anything from the flash, images or something like that?
22:17:54GodEatermy fault
22:18:01CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:18:01*GodEater reads the new bit on the wiki page
22:18:04SlasheriGodEater: how did it got stuck?
22:18:20DinCahillhi. I'm getting a Rockbox Error -1 after installing the bootloader on my Grayscale 4G iPod. Some research into it has told me that i need to extract all the files onto the ipod (i stupidly mised that bit in the manual). It seems that holding the middle button and menu put it in disk mode (the charging icon comes up) but the charging icon isnt moving and the disk isnt showing up in windows
22:18:28roolkuSlasheri: bootloader flashed ok
22:18:48Slasheriamiconn: if it uses fonts or something like that directly from flash, then it would not be possible
22:19:03amiconnTrue, but I doubt that it does this
22:19:10Slasheriroolku: nice :) is it working fine?
22:19:16MikachuDinCahill: you want to menu+select then when it reboots press select+play
22:19:41DinCahilla press or a hold?
22:20:01SlasheriGodEater: did you got it working?
22:20:27GodEaterawesome :)
22:20:32Slasheriwhat was the problem?
22:20:34MikachuDinCahill: hold
22:20:51DinCahilldoesnt seem to do it
22:20:51roolkuSlasheri: all working fine :)
22:20:56Slasheriroolku: nice :)
22:21:00DinCahillthis while its at the apple logo or charging icon?
22:21:06Mikachubefore both of those
22:21:08GodEaterSlasheri: I even inadvertently made sure it's possible to succeed having rebooted before flashing either RAM or ROM image
22:21:32GodEateralthough the ROM image doesn't appear to be booting
22:21:33DinCahilli'll let it go back into the rebooting mode
22:21:51GodEaterit's displaying the rockbox logo
22:21:52SlasheriGodEater: ah, then no wonder it didn't work. It tried to load original FW and got stuck
22:21:59GodEaterbut then keeps spinning the disk
22:22:08SlasheriGodEater: hmm, so ROM image gets stuck but ram image works?
22:22:31GodEaterslasheri: unknown
22:22:36GodEaterhaven't got to the ram image yet
22:22:37GodEatergimme a few
22:22:57GodEaterRAM works
22:22:59GodEaterROM doesn't it seems
22:23:02GodEaterI'll try again to make sure
22:23:04Slasheriok, then that's weird..
22:23:05amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, is it possible to flash back the of?
22:23:07DinCahillMikachu: worked. nice.
22:23:07SlasheriROM works fine for me
22:23:14Slasheriamiconn: yes, it has always been possible to do that
22:23:22amiconn(without removing the bootloader)
22:23:22Slasheriamiconn: would you like to try that rom image thing?
22:23:33Slasheribootloader is always kept
22:23:36*amiconn didn't try flashing the H140 at all so far
22:24:16x1jmpSlasheri: could you send me the bootloader?
22:24:19GodEaterROM definitely isn't working here
22:24:27Slasherix1jmp: ok, just a moment
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22:24:55Slasherix1jmp: here, please test too if the rom image works
22:25:36GodEaterSlasheri: sorry - appears to be my fault too - battery was too low
22:25:53x1jmpSlasheri: I'll try it
22:25:54GodEaterI plugged it into the juice wire again and it booted in both
22:25:54SlasheriGodEater: uh.. you flashed the bootloader too with a low battery?
22:26:00Slasherithat's _very_ bad
22:26:15GodEaterI know
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22:26:23GodEaterbut I didn't know it was low till after I'd done it =/
22:26:23Slasherifortunately it still works
22:26:23amiconnSlasheri: the flash plugin should check battery_level_dangerous() and refuse to flash if so
22:26:37amiconnThe archos flash plugins do so
22:26:42Slasheriamiconn: there is a check, or should be.. but i am not sure if it works correctly
22:26:45*GodEater doesn't like the iriver's power supply
22:26:56GodEaterI'd just picked it up
22:26:59amiconnok, hmm
22:27:00GodEaterfrom where it had been plugged in
22:27:03GodEaterbut not turned off
22:27:12GodEaterthe battery had charged
22:27:29GodEaterand then discharged again when the charging circuit went off
22:27:38GodEaterI keep forgetting the iriver does that
22:28:02GodEateramiconn: it had been plugged in for days
22:28:03Slasherihmm, it sounds like you might have a bad battery
22:28:10GodEaterI know I do
22:28:15GodEaterthat's why I bought an ipod
22:28:27GodEaterit's also why I didn't mind testing this
22:28:30GodEaterincase of brickage
22:28:35GodEatersince I don't use the iriver
22:28:42amiconnThe charging circuit prevents permanent charging, but if the battery goes down a few percent, it tops off again
22:28:44roolkuSlasheri: bootloader now shows battery voltage
22:28:53alberinkHmmm... I've had the very same symptoms: have it charge on USB but return after a day and a half of so it is dead...
22:28:58Slasheriroolku: yep, it does. Also in usb mode :)
22:28:58GodEateramiconn: in that case mines' definitely broken
22:28:58alberinkI have a H300
22:29:07amiconnalberink: The H1xx doesn't charge from usb
22:29:12alberinkH320, to be precise
22:29:19icunice feaure, battery volts in usb mode
22:29:19alberinkAh, OK. I didn't know that
22:29:35amiconnYes, H3x0 does charge from usb, but only slowly when in rockbox
22:29:37alberinkBut is that functionality as designed? <just wondering>
22:29:52amiconnThe H1xx hardware is not able to charge from usb
22:30:13DinCahillneed a reboot
22:30:15Slasheriamiconn: would you like test too if i send the image? :)
22:30:20alberinkThe shutting charging off when fully charged via USB, I meant.
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22:31:51*amiconn is somewhat hesitant
22:32:08*GodEater poo poos amiconn's hesitancy
22:32:16amiconnThe H140 is my main home rockbox, because it's the best swcodec box I have for that purpose
22:32:17GodEaterit worked on a nearly dead H140 :)
22:32:22GodEaterhow bad can it be :)
22:32:32amiconnDue to spdif out I don't have to rely on the mediocre dac
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22:34:34*GodEater wills amiconn to try it
22:35:39x1jmpI think I've just started the bootloader using rolo, is it safe to reset (it says "Executing" and doesn't stop)?
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22:37:20roolku5s from button press to sound with rombox :)
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22:38:29Slasheriamiconn: indeed. If you never use the OF, i think you would like the rombox a lot :)
22:38:30Mikachui have 7s on my nano if anyone cares, last time i tried
22:38:51Slasheriand has a way better boot up time and fast resume button response
22:38:53amiconnSlasheri: I have no reason to use the of on H1x0 (unlike on H3x0)
22:39:20GodEaterthen rombox it
22:40:55roolkuwith rombox I don't see the need to have rockbox in rom as well - it just gets outdated quickly as I don't update it as often as rombox
22:41:27Slasheriroolku: i would suggest keeping it in rom just in case. You don't have to use it
22:41:39Slasheribut it has secured with the bootloaders reset cookie system
22:41:40GodEaterit's useful as a fail safe
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22:41:50Slasherieven is bootloader fails, it should be able to load rombox
22:41:53roolkuany chance of getting the codecs (and plugins?) in rom as well? :)
22:41:59amiconnThe on-disk version should be failsafe enough
22:42:21floppyearshi, do any of you guys listen to podcasts ?
22:42:31amiconnThe most important thing is to make sure bootloader usb can be enabled if anything else fails
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22:42:43GodEateramiconn - well i tested that feature
22:42:46GodEaterit worked fine
22:43:11Slasheriamiconn: that should always work. And using bootloader usb mode overrides most of the advanced features of the bootloader
22:43:32roolkuI think the most important is to be able to boot from disk without any button interaction
22:43:51Slasheriand that is possible with the usb mode
22:43:58roolkuyou can always get another image on disk somehow, but if your rom image is stuffed
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22:48:19x1jmpthe bootloader works fine on my iriver
22:48:47Slasherigood, maybe it's safe to upload it to the wiki now
22:49:08x1jmpalthough I don't see that startup got much faster
22:49:23Slasherix1jmp: you already had rockbox in flash?
22:49:30GodEaterSlasheri - I think you're safe
22:50:05Slasherix1jmp: or did you flash it yet at all? =)
22:50:07x1jmpSlasheri: I opened both rockbox and rombox.iriver with iriver_flash
22:50:25x1jmpSlasheri: and set RAM as default boot method
22:50:49Slasheriah, ok
22:51:29Slasherithere should be something like 3s difference in boot time if you have dircache enabled and some "heavy" wps
22:51:37x1jmpI still needs to spin up the disk to show the / directory, how does dircache hibernation work?
22:51:52Slasheriand the most obvious difference is the resume button response time
22:51:58Slasheriit works almost immediately after boot
22:52:22x1jmpSlasheri: btw an the backlight fades immediatly :)
22:52:23Slasherix1jmp: you need more than one boot for it to activate
22:52:31Slasherithen dircache no longer scans the disk at boot
22:53:29x1jmpthat's sound strange, how often do I have to reboot? :)
22:53:45Slasheritwice should be enough
22:54:22x1jmpIt's now the fourth time it said scanning disk
22:54:28Slasheriat least it saves battery a little when disk no longer needs to be scanned every time
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22:54:41Slasherithen dircache does not work at all
22:54:57Slasherihow many files do you have on the player?
22:55:06x1jmpI have some strange file, which I'm not able to delete...
22:55:25Slasheriyou should try scanning disk for errors from PC
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22:55:41Slasheriand also check you don't have too deep directory structure
22:56:44x1jmpthat could be the case, rockbox doesn't delete that folder and on my linux box it says "file does not exist"
22:57:18Slasheriyep, then FAT is just probably corrupted somehow
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22:57:43Slasheriand i can image the boot time is terrible if dircache blocks at scanning disk screen every time
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22:58:49x1jmpyes, it is. How much is the difference on startup between working dircache and no dircache?
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22:59:34Slasheriwith working dircache vs no dircache enabled at all, it's something like 1-2s improvement with dircache
23:00:03Slasheribut with non-working dircache, it could make the boot something like 10s longer than usually
23:01:32Slasheriwith working ram/rombox, boot time is something like 4-5s
23:01:34Mikachuwhy does the scan have to block?
23:01:48Slasheriit's the initial scan, which never succeeds
23:01:50Slasherifor allocating memory
23:02:26x1jmpI have boot time around 6-7 seconds without dircache
23:02:27Mikachuah right, the memory
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23:03:29Slasherix1jmp: sounds normal. You might try with dircache also
23:03:38Slasheriit helps especially if you have a big wps
23:04:25x1jmpis the dircache also stored in ROM?
23:04:29Mikachunobody did .zip/.tar wps yet? :)
23:04:40Slasherix1jmp: no, it's loaded from disk
23:05:14Slasheribut it caches fat start clusters for files, and that makes open() fast
23:05:24BagderMikachu: bluebrother did work on that
23:05:28x1jmpwhat exactly does the database & dircache hibernation mean?
23:05:31Slasheribig wps files have lot of files to load -> lot of slow calls to open()
23:06:37Slasherix1jmp: saving the data structure from ram to disk, and loading it at boottime from disk
23:06:46Slasherithat is very fast compared to building the structure from scratch
23:07:37SlasheriIriverFlashing wiki updated, lets hope it works
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23:08:42Noah0504Hey all.
23:08:50SoapIs anyone else using QEUM instead of VMware Player?
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23:09:57x1jmpSlasheri: shouldn't hibernation be possible without rombox?
23:10:10icuSlasheri, what do I save the bootloader file from the wiki as ?, i see it opens in a text format
23:10:36Slasherix1jmp: nope, disk might be modified outside rockbox by bootloader usb mode or OF
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23:10:57Slasherix1jmp: and with OF present, we don't have access to the EEPROM memory to flag if disk is intact
23:11:28***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:11:29Slasheriicu: you should "save as" it as bootloader.iriver
23:11:49Aloneahey, is there a way to get nano to show line numbers, or another thing that wil?
23:12:38Bagder33 committers in svn now
23:13:25perl|work33 committers = 1 jesus ?
23:13:49MikachuAlonea: use a real text editor, like vim h)
23:14:39AloneaMikachu: is vim a thing for cygwin or no? still quite new to all this. I do try though
23:15:20Mikachui think there is vim for windows too
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23:17:12AloneaMikachu: oh, its outside of cygwin?
23:17:24Mikachui was assuming you were on linux at the time
23:18:02x1jmpthere's vim for cygwin, just install it the cygwin way
23:18:20Aloneaah, nope. still on windows, shall look at making my laptop a linux box in around a month.
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23:18:55Aloneax1jmp: ok, I see it on the list. How do I call it up? vim filename or what?
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23:19:45Aloneaok, thanks. shall see if that works better for me. nano makes my life hell..
23:20:00Mikachuvim has sort of a high learning curve
23:20:30AloneaMikachu: I will look at it and see if it reminds me of anything I have used previously.
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23:21:45AloneaMikachu: I am used to programs that have "high learning curves". Comes with doing animation for a couple years.
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23:22:50icunah i'm going to chicken out from updating the bootloader, due to the *important* note in the iriverflash wiki
23:23:25Aloneax1jmp: Ok, is there a help file to explain shortcuts for vim?
23:24:25Slasheriicu: hmm, that note just means that you don't want to press rec button until there is a working rockbox image in flash
23:24:36Slasheriicu: unless you still have the OF present
23:24:51MikachuAlonea: (though i haven't read it yet)
23:25:34x1jmpAlonea: you could try this guide , it helps to print the graphic at the end and keep it at the desk
23:25:35Slasheriit's there to avoid people think their player has been bricked or something like that
23:26:06icudo i have to load the latest bleeding edge as well ?
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23:26:18Slasheriyes, absolutely
23:26:36Slasherithe old plugin refuses to work
23:27:36icui see in the SVN notes that you have disabled flashing though
23:27:47x1jmpSlasheri: How do I call the boot menu the choose the boot method?
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23:27:53Slasherifor H110/H115
23:28:01icuah thanks
23:28:01Aloneascrew it. I want a windows version instead of a black and white thing in cygwin.
23:28:07Slasheriit has never worked/been fully enabled for those players
23:28:13Slasheribecause nobody has tested it
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23:29:20desowinfor anyone who uses QTScrobbler - 0.2 was just released
23:29:37Mikachuhaha, the help files for vim are funny in places
23:29:39Mikachu:nunmap can also be used outside of a monastery.
23:29:41Slasherix1jmp: use the hold button
23:29:56Slasheriand then power up
23:30:40AloneaMikachu: I am guessing you use one with a gui? just trying to figure out what vim to download. @@...
23:31:00Mikachuyeah, i use gvim
23:31:18Mikachusometimes it helps to use the mouse, and you get more colors for syntax hilight
23:31:35decayedcellto connect to svn on linux do we need subversion + subversion utils?
23:32:00Bagderwhat's "subversion utils" ?
23:32:00bagawkAlonea: be sure to read lots of docs, vim is a crazy (but awesome) tool
23:32:23decayedcelli meant
23:32:29Bagderand what's that?
23:32:38Bagderyou only need svn
23:32:46decayedcellassorted tools related to subversion
23:32:47Bagderbut a few other tools might be handy
23:32:51Aloneagvim it is. I used to code in java a few years back with jcreator. this looks alright. really I just want to be able to look through code and compile the damn file. *grumbles* and see line numbers...line numbers are nice
23:33:34pixelmaAlonea: why not use a windows text editor that can handle the correct line endings as well (e.g. notepad++ which can also show linenumbers)?
23:34:01Mikachuvim preserves dos line endings
23:34:09Mikachu(and lets you convert either way)
23:34:19decayedcellhow do i mount a drive in linux
23:34:30Mikachumount /dev/xxx /mnt/yyy
23:34:45Aloneapixelma: I can't get notepad to display anything correctly. it looks bunched together.
23:35:02pixelmanotepad++ isn't notepad
23:35:14Aloneaoh, didn't see that.
23:35:44Aloneai will look at both and see what goes
23:35:55decayedcellmm Mikachu wats the yyy
23:36:03decayedcelli suppose xxx is the sda?
23:36:14Mikachuif you want to mount an ipod, it's usually sda2
23:36:20Mikachuyyy is any empty directory on your filesystem
23:36:29decayedcellim mounting a hard drive
23:36:36Bagderits the same
23:36:37icuSlasheri: I selected bootloader.iriver and the screen is stuck on ROLO.... Executing
23:36:38decayedcelli resized one of my partitions
23:36:42Mikachuthen you want to know which partition you want to mount first
23:36:47decayedcellyeah its sda5
23:36:54x1jmpicu: just reset
23:36:55peturdesowin: any chance for a prebuild w32 binary of qtscrobbler?
23:37:06Slasheriicu: you should not select it, but hold down select
23:37:16Slasheriand then select iriver_flash plugin as instructed in the wiki
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23:39:16desowinpetur: compiling qt4 under wine
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23:39:43desowinpetur: please join QTScrobbler group on if you uses it :-)
23:39:51icuSlasheri: its says incompatable version
23:39:54x1jmpIs the time dircache takes to load much dependant on the number of files?
23:40:23Slasheriicu: hmm, are you sure you have the latest bleeding edge of rockbox you are running?
23:40:50Slasherithose "cvs builds" no longer works
23:40:55icudo i flash the latest bleeding edge first ?
23:41:07Bagderthe cvs builds page now redirects to the new place
23:41:16peturdesowin: sure.... maybe a good thing to add prebuild versions on sourceforge download for 'normal' users
23:41:16Slasheriicu: just install it
23:41:42Aloneapixelma: thanks. looks good so far.
23:41:42icuit is installed, I rolo'd it
23:42:00Slasheriwhy did you rolo'd to it?
23:42:05desowinpetur: there was 0.1 prebuild win32 release, it was out some days after .tar.gz was released though
23:42:05Slasheriyou need to update all plugins also
23:42:17Slashericopying rockbox.iriver is not enough
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23:42:50webguest01where else can u get rockbox themes at?
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23:43:07*dune2 is away: time for diner .... ;)
23:43:12desowinpetur: I don't have windows box
23:43:27icui have done that, I copied the latest to my player, along with bootloader.iriver from the iriverflashing page
23:43:42peturdesowin: guess what I have here ;)
23:43:57decayedcellnow mount says i need to specify fs type
23:44:09Bagderyes you should
23:44:12desowinpetur: Mac OS X :D
23:44:13Slasheriicu: weird.. did you check the md5sum of the bootloader.iriver if it matches?
23:44:22desowinam I right ?
23:44:24decayedcellwats the commandline option for it
23:44:27webguest01where else can u get rockbox themes at?
23:44:29Slasheriit should be same than in the wiki
23:44:33Bagderdecayedcell: an easier way is to add the info in /etc/fstab and then just mount the dir
23:44:35peturdesowin: W2K
23:44:37Slasheriotherwise flash plugin refuses to work
23:44:48Aloneapixelma: does it happen to have a debugger?
23:45:03x1jmpicu: did you overwrite all existing files?
23:45:09desowinpetur: are you experienced with qt ?
23:45:17peturdesowin: nope
23:45:30desowinoh, ok, so wait some time and it'll be out
23:45:35peturwhat do I need to build it all?
23:45:36icuno i deleted old first then copied new
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23:45:52pixelmaAlonea: sorry - I don't know what exactly you mean
23:45:59peturthe answer: time :/
23:46:35Slasheriicu: check the md5sum of the bootloader.iriver. Either the file is bad or you have not installed the latest bleeding edge
23:46:46SlasheriThe checksum must be 01e1f9e812bb9811bfbba8fa3681ea15
23:46:47Aloneapixelma: like, will it scan it for basic syntax errors, etc?
23:46:59icumaybe my problem is the was my browser is aving the bootloader.iriver file from the wiki
23:47:03Slasherithat might be possible
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23:47:53icuyou know I dont know enough about computers so before i brick the thing i'm going to stop
23:48:08Slasherii need to go sleeping too
23:48:11icuand use the old flash
23:49:04pixelmaAlonea: not that I know of - but it can highlight some programming languages. Just as an example I like the highlighting of diffs that it can do.
23:49:07icuhow do I checksum something
23:49:53Aloneapixelma: yeah. I do like that. reminds me of jcreator
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23:50:19x1jmpSlasheri: Dircache seems to work now, but startup time is almost the same
23:50:31decayedcellhow do i change permissions on the mounted drive
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23:57:36BagderGodEater: around?
23:57:46brainiac_ghostanyone here use sonab's build
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