| 00:00:25 | icu | could someone send me their version of bootloader.iriver please |
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| 00:01:47 | brainiac_ghost | Soap, just wondering if the COP builds work |
| 00:02:06 | Soap | They do if you have the current bootloader. |
| 00:04:39 | brainiac_ghost | which i do |
| 00:05:02 | brainiac_ghost | do the jclix themes work? |
| 00:05:12 | * | dune2 is back (gone 00:22:05) |
| 00:05:18 | Soap | brainiac_ghost: no |
| 00:05:19 | w1ll14m | brainiac: I believe you need a patch for jclix |
| 00:05:41 | Soap | (not with Senab's build, he is quite explicit about this in his thread) |
| 00:05:45 | brainiac_ghost | Soap, hmm, oh well, i'll just wait for julius to make his one |
| 00:07:26 | w1ll14m | biraniac_ghost: you can also compile your own custom rockbox and patch it your way, but it can make your build unstable |
| 00:09:25 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, just a thought: Does dircache work on a fat16 partition and/or with multivolume enable (and does it handle one or all volumes)? |
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| 00:13:58 | brainiac_ghost | hmm, i need a theme now |
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| 00:14:53 | w1ll14m | brainiac: what is your target ? |
| 00:16:04 | brainiac_ghost | w1ll14m, ipod 5.5g |
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| 00:19:35 | brainiac_ghost | hmm, how is it that i delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod and my settings are retained |
| 00:19:54 | Soap | because your settings are stored on a very special sector on your hard drive. |
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| 00:20:14 | Soap | If you are trans-grading to a Senab build, it would be in your best interest to clear said settings. |
| 00:20:15 | brainiac_ghost | ah right |
| 00:20:19 | w1ll14m | brainiac : try directly after powering on ipod the hold button |
| 00:20:34 | brainiac_ghost | w1ll14m, that just boots to normal ipod |
| 00:20:39 | Soap | reboot, and as soon as the bootloader indicates it is booting rockbox, toggle the "hold" switch to the on (red) position. |
| 00:20:49 | icu | if i execute rombox.iriver should it get stuck on ROLO excecuting ? |
| 00:20:56 | w1ll14m | hmmm by bad :) that's what i mean't ;) |
| 00:21:09 | Soap | w1ll14m: "directly after powering on" with the new bootloader, will boot Apple firmware. |
| 00:21:20 | w1ll14m | soap: i realized that just now ;) |
| 00:21:24 | Soap | oops, didn't mean to pile on w1ll14m . |
| 00:21:36 | Soap | just now saw brainiac_ghost's line. |
| 00:21:43 | w1ll14m | soap: well doesn;t matter :) |
| 00:22:23 | brainiac_ghost | Soap, w1ll14m thanks very much :) |
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| 00:22:54 | w1ll14m | brainiac: welcome |
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| 00:26:06 | brainiac_ghost | note to self, backup my settings (i just put all the new ones, rebooted and nocked the hod switch again (trying to get into apple firmware) |
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| 00:26:51 | w1ll14m | brainiac: after the bootloader says 'loading rockbox' switch the hold button. |
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| 00:35:03 | Lars_G | Hey all. |
| 00:35:12 | Lars_G | Just to report my dad is happy so far with rockbox. |
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| 00:35:34 | Lars_G | Except for a single bug with themes, it's all perfect, and I'll hunt the bug in source next week when i get some breathing time and fix it |
| 00:35:54 | Soap | what is the nature of the bug? |
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| 00:37:30 | gotthardt | i have a question about the hold-backlight setting of off |
| 00:38:08 | gotthardt | is the code the way it is for a reason? it works like "stay off' it doesnt stay off until it goes off |
| 00:38:42 | gotthardt | Some want the backlight to go off as soon as the hold switch is asserted. any reason why not? |
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| 00:39:00 | gotthardt | i looked in almost all of the manuals and there is no definition of it |
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| 00:40:07 | BiptoN | outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
| 00:40:20 | BiptoN | oops |
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| 00:40:56 | bersace | Hi all |
| 00:41:03 | bersace | is it possible to run Rockbox on ext3 ? |
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| 00:41:37 | BiptoN | that line that sets the frequency of the arm CPU can you break that down in lame-man's terms for me please? |
| 00:41:38 | BiptoN | outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
| 00:41:48 | Lars_G | Soap: I loaded him several pre-made skins (none the needed (apparently) a patch), but on all of them, the progress bar is vertically missaligned with it's predetermined space |
| 00:42:02 | w1ll14m | bersace: you mean loading rockbox from an ext3 partition ? |
| 00:42:18 | Soap | Lars_G: do you have the font pack installed? |
| 00:42:26 | bersace | w1ll14m: i mean, formatting /dev/sdb2 in ext3 instead of FAT32 |
| 00:42:37 | Lars_G | :O |
| 00:42:40 | Lars_G | I'm a moron |
| 00:42:43 | Lars_G | thanks Soap |
| 00:42:48 | Soap | not a problem. |
| 00:42:49 | w1ll14m | bersace: then rockbox won't start |
| 00:42:54 | bersace | ;( |
| 00:43:19 | bersace | that's sad, since i have ogg with '?' and other special char for windows fs :( |
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| 00:43:27 | Lars_G | Yes, afaik the bootloader doesn't has ext3 support. |
| 00:43:48 | bersace | :( |
| 00:43:55 | Lars_G | bersace: afaik you should be able to toy with code page (and maybe font) in rockbox to display them correctly off vfat |
| 00:43:58 | bersace | the apple bootloader |
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| 00:44:07 | Lars_G | No, rockbox's bootloader. |
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| 00:44:35 | bersace | ok |
| 00:44:36 | Lars_G | Of course, you could copy the ext2/3 support code from iPodLinux and port it to the rockbox kernel/bootloader... but it's too much hassle in my view |
| 00:44:37 | w1ll14m | bersace: somewhere there was an option for UTF-8 am i right ? |
| 00:45:11 | bersace | w1ll14m: this is not only a question of encoding, but "?" and "<" and other chars are forbidden in FAT 32 |
| 00:45:15 | Lars_G | there's a code page setup in rockbox. afaik that should help |
| 00:45:23 | Lars_G | oh right |
| 00:45:35 | bersace | and, in a general manner : EXT3 is better than FAT32, especially if you use GNU/Linux as OS |
| 00:45:36 | Soap | bersace: file systems make poor databases - rely on proper tagging - not proper file names. |
| 00:46:19 | Lars_G | bersace: Yes but then you're married to rockbox only, OF can't read ext3 |
| 00:46:26 | Lars_G | Soap: I agree |
| 00:46:30 | w1ll14m | bersace: yeah i know ext3 is better... but fat32 is supported by many OSes |
| 00:46:35 | Soap | bersace: this issue has been debated to death - FAT32 does everything needed, FAT32 is as cross platform as you can get, EXT2/3 offer nothing needed in a DAP other than the cosmetic file name characters. |
| 00:46:47 | Lars_G | Soap: I agree as well. |
| 00:46:56 | bersace | i don't want to impose ext3 to other users |
| 00:47:08 | Lars_G | FAT32 is read flawlessly in windows, os x, linux, OF and rockbox |
| 00:47:11 | bersace | if just propose to add ext3 support to bootloader |
| 00:47:29 | Lars_G | Man that dead horse is minced meat by now |
| 00:47:43 | w1ll14m | bersace: then i guess the one who needs it has to make a patch |
| 00:47:48 | bersace | i'm quite surprised this is not a possibility |
| 00:47:50 | Lars_G | bersace: I doubt there's a reg dev willing to scratch your particular itch |
| 00:48:06 | Lars_G | bersace: it is a possibility you just need to scratch your itch |
| 00:48:17 | w1ll14m | Laers_G: I Agree |
| 00:48:35 | Lars_G | many many many great open source programs have been born, or evolved that way. |
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| 00:49:19 | Soap | bersace: then you get into the (very real) issue that nobody who claims to want ext3 has stepped up to the plate to port it over. |
| 00:49:26 | bersace | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2#Loading_the_Rockbox_firmware |
| 00:49:50 | w1ll14m | Bersace: but is that stable to rockbox ? |
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| 00:50:18 | bersace | so if i understand : neither rockbox bootloader nor rockbox firmware does support ext3 |
| 00:50:27 | Soap | bersace: But even if someone does put their money where their mouth is - it is unlikely it would be commited - as it would "bloat" the firmware (taking away precious buffer) for little reward. |
| 00:50:35 | w1ll14m | Bersace: correct |
| 00:50:56 | bersace | so both software need to be patched in order to support that |
| 00:51:10 | bersace | or using ipod bootloader and patching rockbox |
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| 00:51:28 | bersace | what's the difference between rocbock and ipodlinux bootloader ? |
| 00:51:30 | w1ll14m | Bersace: indeed, if you want eext3 support you will have to patch the rockbox sources and make a custom bui;d |
| 00:52:01 | w1ll14m | btw sorry for the language, it's a little late here :) |
| 00:52:24 | Soap | out of curiosity, bersace, what do you want from ext3 outside the filename character support? |
| 00:52:25 | linuxstb_ | Soap: I would hope that if someone goes to the effort of implementing a new filesystem for Rockbox, it would get committed. Even if it's just a compile-time option. |
| 00:52:49 | Lars_G | Btw I had an idea for rockbox you might hate. |
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| 00:53:11 | bersace | Soap: journalised FS |
| 00:53:17 | bersace | native FS |
| 00:53:23 | bersace | not-MS FS |
| 00:53:44 | bersace | ext3 features (extended file names, label, etc.) |
| 00:53:47 | Lars_G | What about porting an embedded oriented (designed for pointerless devices) widget toolkit into the basic kernel/libraries? to use thorough rockbox for system and plugin UI alike? |
| 00:53:49 | w1ll14m | bersace: sounds nice to me, but what would it do to the performance of rockbox |
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| 00:54:39 | bersace | w1ll14m: why will it bloat rockbox ? |
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| 00:55:09 | Soap | linuxstb_: I am sorry - I knew that line was pushing it as soon as I typed it - I trust your judgement on that issue over mine anyday. |
| 00:55:26 | tsuyoshi | we need a journaling fs on rockbox |
| 00:55:31 | tsuyoshi | don't you understand |
| 00:55:33 | w1ll14m | bersace: well, it's a more complicated structure and requires more power (i think) |
| 00:55:59 | tsuyoshi | what if it crashes? we'll lose all our critical data |
| 00:56:01 | Lars_G | linuxstb: What do you think about my idea sincerely? |
| 00:56:07 | linuxstb_ | Soap: I think that amongst the devs, I'm one of the people least against extra filesystems.... I'm sure some people would argue strongly against them. |
| 00:56:18 | Lars_G | tsuyoshi: I don't store critical data on my ipod :P |
| 00:56:23 | bersace | i prefer ext3 to fat32 like i prefer ogg to mp3/wma/m4a |
| 00:56:32 | Soap | Lars_G: tsuyoshi was being very sarcastic. |
| 00:56:40 | Lars_G | Soap: I know. |
| 00:56:54 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: I agree with the extra filesystem feature but it would be very nice if you can select it with a define |
| 00:57:07 | Lars_G | I like to answer sincerely to sarcastic comments and rethorical questions |
| 00:57:18 | Lars_G | w1ll14m: I agree |
| 00:57:19 | Soap | Lars_G: I'll keep that in mind. ;) |
| 00:57:42 | Lars_G | it would though add one nice feature. If the user has both rockbox and iPodLinux, he could share partition for both |
| 00:57:51 | Lars_G | linuxstb_: Please? |
| 00:58:03 | tsuyoshi | you can run linux on fat |
| 00:58:06 | w1ll14m | What i like about rockbox is that you can plug your ipod in (almost) every computer and read/write data to it |
| 00:58:19 | tsuyoshi | people have been doing it since 1993 at least... |
| 00:58:24 | Lars_G | tsuyoshi: You can? meh I tought IPL required ext2 for the root. |
| 00:58:35 | Soap | Lars_G: for the root, yes - but not for the music. |
| 00:58:36 | amiconn | Extra filesystem support doesn't make any sense |
| 00:58:42 | w1ll14m | it's as said Soap said a Cross platform filesystem |
| 00:58:44 | Lars_G | Soap: but that's what I talk about. the root. |
| 00:58:45 | tsuyoshi | maybe ipodlinux doesn't support it, but it's really not a difficult thing to add |
| 00:58:52 | Soap | (well, assuming you can _play_ music on IPL, that's a seperate issue) |
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| 00:58:56 | tsuyoshi | probably much easier than adding ext3 support to rockbox |
| 00:58:58 | amiconn | fat32 is plain and simple, and is universally supported |
| 00:59:11 | linuxstb_ | Lars_G: Personally, I'm happy with the Rockbox "widgets" as they are now, apart from some minor cosmetic improvements. But I know lots of people would like a more graphical UI. |
| 00:59:40 | Lars_G | linuxstb_: I'm not looking only for a more graphical UI (though it's nice) |
| 00:59:43 | amiconn | (though you can create a fat32 partition which both linux and rockbox will understand, but windows will not) |
| 00:59:51 | w1ll14m | Soap: i've used IPL a while ago, but my audio was just to bad to listen when oyu are using higher encoding rates then 160kbps with mp3 |
| 00:59:52 | Soap | are there any Windows users of the VMware image on currently? |
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| 01:00:12 | Soap | I keep getting an error i can't find any info on in the forums/wiki. |
| 01:00:20 | tsuyoshi | what you can do rather reasily is run the root fs off a loopback file on a fat partition |
| 01:00:21 | Soap | "10.0.2.2 sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: 10.0.2.255 on eth0" |
| 01:00:22 | Lars_G | linuxstb_: I'm also looking for a homogeneous, clearly defined API to code UI in all aspects of rockbox. So the result both in aspect and source is also more homogeneous and debugable. |
| 01:01:05 | Soap | I assume this error is related to the fact I can't connect to the samba share on //debian/user |
| 01:01:23 | tsuyoshi | rockbox wouldn't be able to access the root fs.. but I don't know if that's especially important |
| 01:01:40 | w1ll14m | Well i believe in rockbox as it is OS Independant, try itunes on linux (i haven't found a release from apple) |
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| 01:02:09 | w1ll14m | well i hate itunes but that's not the point :) |
| 01:02:16 | Lars_G | w1ll14m: Well I'm thinking on compiling amarok in OS X when I can. I like it far more than iTunes |
| 01:03:30 | w1ll14m | Lars_G: i don't know about amarok... ll google a bit :) but then, i preffer the use of just a linux terminal and not a GUI |
| 01:03:36 | w1ll14m | that's why i hate itunes..... |
| 01:03:51 | w1ll14m | because it's a resource sucking program ..... |
| 01:04:03 | linuxstb_ | tsuyoshi: I just think no-one has tried running IPL purely from a FAT32 partition. I think most of the devs are OS X users, so install IPL with the rootfs on the HFS+ partition. |
| 01:04:06 | w1ll14m | and of course i don't like DRM |
| 01:05:11 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: how does this code read out in a retards view outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
| 01:05:48 | w1ll14m | bersace: you could also use tagcache as alternative (i thought it has UTF-8 support |
| 01:05:50 | w1ll14m | )\ |
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| 01:06:07 | bersace | w1ll14m: the problem is not UTF-8 |
| 01:06:49 | w1ll14m | bersace: i know :) you will have to rename all files with special characters in it\ and fix your id3tags |
| 01:07:06 | bersace | and fix playlist … |
| 01:08:04 | w1ll14m | bersace: true, it's the same as i don't want to decode my MP3 to 192kbps instead of 320kpbs it would be a week of encoding mp3 |
| 01:08:33 | | Part redwood |
| 01:08:40 | w1ll14m | so i tuned my ipod a bit (still stable haven't got any crash even with most plugins) |
| 01:08:56 | Soap | any good tag program can batch convert tags/filenames very quickly. |
| 01:09:40 | linuxstb_ | BiptoN: The value (0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult<<8)) is written to memory address 0x60006034. So basically 0xaa020nn8, where nn is postmult. Beyond that, I can't explain - it's black magic from IPL without any documentation. |
| 01:09:40 | w1ll14m | id3tagit is licensed under GPL and works fine (altough i don't know if it supports batch convert) |
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| 01:10:38 | bersace | w1ll14m, Soap, i use rhythmbox, and don't want to loas all my playlist/song notes/… just for a dumb FS :) |
| 01:11:25 | w1ll14m | bersace: hmmm that's indeed a little complicated then i would suggest try to port ext3 into rockbox and it's bootloader |
| 01:11:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:58 | w1ll14m | bersace: in your case it loks like it would be a lot of work to rename all files.... |
| 01:12:19 | bersace | ack |
| 01:12:35 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:13:03 | brainiac_ghost | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform is certainly intuitive and cool |
| 01:13:42 | bersace | the problem is also : i want to have my iPod sync with my library, not a special version. Everyone |
| 01:13:54 | amiconn | bersace: I don't understand the problem. vfat can hold all unicode filenames... |
| 01:13:55 | bersace | wait this feature : easy sync |
| 01:14:14 | bersace | amiconn: one more time : the problem is not unicode |
| 01:14:26 | amiconn | ...but... ? |
| 01:15:06 | w1ll14m | brainiac_ghost: i use gentoo linux, it has a very nice cross compiler suport and wrapper etc. :) |
| 01:15:27 | bersace | amiconn: see the log |
| 01:15:50 | brainiac_ghost | w1ll14m, ooh, another gentooer (well, i am an ex-gentooer) |
| 01:15:53 | amiconn | I checked the log, but either I missed something important, or I don't understand what you mean with "special" names |
| 01:16:24 | linuxstb_ | Maybe ?, <, >, : etc? |
| 01:16:52 | bersace | linuxstb_: right |
| 01:17:06 | w1ll14m | brainiac_ghost: lol..... whahaha i still like gentoo linux distro's is always about which one you like the most is the best:) |
| 01:17:22 | brainiac_ghost | w1ll14m, i use windows (gaming support) |
| 01:17:29 | Soap | *nix doesn't automaticly rename such files when copying to a FAT FS? |
| 01:17:35 | brainiac_ghost | w1ll14m, i'll use linux when i get another PC |
| 01:17:45 | amiconn | linuxstb, bersace: These chars have the same special meaning in the linux shell(s) as they have in the windows shell afaik |
| 01:17:46 | w1ll14m | brainiac: i have a windows computer too... it's 4 linux against 1 windows :) |
| 01:18:03 | brainiac_ghost | i'm off |
| 01:18:05 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes, but you can escape them and use them in filenames. |
| 01:18:07 | bersace | amiconn: but on UNIX, you just escape such char |
| 01:18:16 | bersace | linuxstb_: right :) |
| 01:18:19 | w1ll14m | brainiac: Cya :) |
| 01:18:28 | bersace | brainiac_ghost: ciao |
| 01:18:38 | linuxstb_ | No difference to having spaces in filenames. |
| 01:18:56 | amiconn | bersace: VFAT (long file names on fat) does allow the 5 mentioned chars |
| 01:19:37 | bersace | really ? |
| 01:19:40 | amiconn | There are exactly 6 special chars (out of the whole unicode BMP) which aren't allowed: + , ; = [ ] |
| 01:19:52 | amiconn | All others are allowed by the filesystem |
| 01:19:57 | bersace | ok, that's the same |
| 01:20:02 | bersace | on Unix, only '/' is forbidden |
| 01:20:25 | Soap | is not ? reserved as a wildcard? |
| 01:20:31 | amiconn | Not by the fs |
| 01:20:36 | Soap | ahh |
| 01:20:43 | bersace | Soap: no |
| 01:20:47 | bersace | like space |
| 01:21:52 | amiconn | Blah, scrap those 6 chars |
| 01:21:55 | w1ll14m | when i listen to this music.... i miss 1995 a little :| i was 6 years old back then :) |
| 01:22:02 | * | amiconn cannot read the specs properly :/ |
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| 01:22:35 | amiconn | now != not |
| 01:24:35 | amiconn | Sorry, those special chars aren't allowed in vfat |
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| 01:26:44 | w1ll14m | why would you want to use such complicated filenames ? |
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| 01:27:07 | linuxstb_ | A ? is very common in song names. |
| 01:27:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: True, but that's what tags are for imho |
| 01:27:57 | amiconn | Filenames containing strange characters aren't portable |
| 01:28:09 | linuxstb_ | I don't need portability.... |
| 01:28:21 | w1ll14m | linuxstb_: about '?' it's true that one should be supported, but '=' and '%' etc i wouldn't like to use those |
| 01:28:44 | linuxstb_ | Although I don't need ? in filenames enough to want to implement a new filesystem... |
| 01:29:02 | amiconn | The following chars aren't allowed on vfat if I didn't overlook one: "*/:<>?\| |
| 01:29:05 | | Part toffe |
| 01:29:37 | Soap | a shell/perl script to strip illegal characters from filenames and playlists during transfer would be so small. |
| 01:29:38 | w1ll14m | amiconn: so vfat isn't the solution for '?' in file names.... |
| 01:30:24 | w1ll14m | Soap: would be a simple solution to this problem .... |
| 01:30:32 | amiconn | Maybe *nix does allow such chars, but grip is even more paranoid about filenames in its default configuration than any windows cd ripper |
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| 01:30:47 | w1ll14m | Soap: but whith what characters would you replace those ? |
| 01:31:02 | Soap | w1ll14m: spaces or no character at all. |
| 01:31:09 | amiconn | w1ll14m: I usually just drop illegal chars like ? |
| 01:31:58 | w1ll14m | Soap, amiconn: Ok, that's possible |
| 01:32:16 | w1ll14m | when i have a file with illegal characters, i change then name manualy |
| 01:32:19 | Soap | yuck |
| 01:32:19 | amiconn | Btw, even though the fat32 sepcs say " isn't allowed, I do have such files and neither linux nor rockbox nor windows complained |
| 01:32:51 | Soap | are you sure it isn't two single quotes you are seeing? |
| 01:32:52 | w1ll14m | i use an roku soundbridge with firefly as server and the files are stored on my windows partition and mounted via smb to linux machine running firefly |
| 01:33:01 | amiconn | Soap: I am sure |
| 01:33:03 | pixelma | I've als seen * in filenames... |
| 01:33:10 | amiconn | I created those files myself |
| 01:33:15 | pixelma | (which wasn't a problem) |
| 01:33:18 | w1ll14m | so when i add new music i change the filenames manual |
| 01:34:00 | pixelma | ah... no - sorry I take that back |
| 01:34:35 | Jonno | A * in a filename should definitely create a problem, no matter what the system, as a * is recognised as a wildcard |
| 01:34:56 | linuxstb_ | \* isn't a wildcard... |
| 01:35:07 | w1ll14m | linuxstv: that's true |
| 01:35:14 | w1ll14m | b* |
| 01:35:15 | Jonno | Well, ok ^^. |
| 01:35:44 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: rockbox didn't support that because fat32, is thath true? |
| 01:35:46 | linuxstb_ | "touch \*" works fine for me (on my ibook with HFS+ and Linux with ext3) |
| 01:36:38 | linuxstb_ | w1ll14m: Support what? |
| 01:37:00 | w1ll14m | would a raw filesystem be some kind of sulotion ? as it can be read from almost every platform (maybe with drivers but... ) |
| 01:37:24 | w1ll14m | i don't know what about raw filesystem vs special characters..... |
| 01:37:48 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: \* support @ fat32 |
| 01:38:08 | w1ll14m | instead of * in a filename |
| 01:38:18 | linuxstb_ | Yes, FAT32 doesn't allow *. |
| 01:38:22 | w1ll14m | ahh ok |
| 01:38:26 | w1ll14m | thought so :) |
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| 01:38:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you try this on a fat32 partition in linux? |
| 01:38:50 | linuxstb_ | Yes - doesn't work. |
| 01:38:53 | amiconn | I guess it's more a problem of the os/shell than the fs |
| 01:39:07 | bersace | amiconn: according to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_File_Names_.28VFAT.2C_LFNs.29 ) " * / : < > ? \ | are not supported |
| 01:39:18 | preglow | it's a really nasty character to use for any file system |
| 01:39:22 | w1ll14m | lol i created a 320GByte fat32 partition on linux... and ofcourse windows coulnd't read it.. |
| 01:39:35 | amiconn | bersace: Yes, but e.g. " definitely does work, contrary to the specs |
| 01:39:52 | bersace | w1ll14m: lol |
| 01:40:14 | bersace | amiconn: foss software are know to follow the specs |
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| 01:40:37 | bersace | or else, why do we need specs |
| 01:40:51 | w1ll14m | well guys.... gotta sleep, tomorrow i have to go 10:00 out of bed. so :) it's now 1:40 :| |
| 01:41:12 | w1ll14m | 'll see you later Dudes :) |
| 01:41:17 | w1ll14m | and Rockon !! :) |
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| 01:42:00 | GodEater | LinusN or Bagder still awake ? |
| 01:42:41 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: They rarely are this time of the night. |
| 01:42:56 | GodEater | heh - I rarely am myself ;) |
| 01:43:07 | GodEater | oh well - I'll let them know the good news tomorrow then |
| 01:43:18 | GodEater | Positive Internet have agreed to give us a build server on their network |
| 01:43:26 | GodEater | free hardware and free bandwidth ;) |
| 01:43:40 | pixelma | GodEater: Bagder had a message to you about your server a while ago... |
| 01:43:46 | webguest02 | where else can u get rockbox themes or some cool programs for it |
| 01:44:00 | GodEater | pixelma: in the logs somewhere ? |
| 01:44:16 | pixelma | yes... must be somewhere |
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| 01:44:34 | Mouser_X | webguest02: Where have you looked so far? |
| 01:44:38 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: You just need to checkout svn in the ~rbclient home directory. i.e. ~rbclient/apps, ~rbclient/firmware etc. |
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| 01:44:49 | Soap | webguest02: themes are avaliable on the website (in the wiki), and all cool programs ship with it. |
| 01:45:04 | GodEater | thought I already did that =/ |
| 01:45:22 | GodEater | yeah - they're all there already |
| 01:45:23 | Mouser_X | webguest02: Also, additional programs are patches, and must be compiled (aka, built) with Rockbox. You can't really download them seperately. |
| 01:45:45 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Does "svn up" work in ~rbclient/ ? (as user rbclient) |
| 01:46:13 | GodEater | I'm guessing "Skipped '.' " means no =/ |
| 01:46:15 | webguest02 | just rockbox forums and site |
| 01:46:49 | Mouser_X | rockbox-themes.org |
| 01:46:50 | bersace | hi all |
| 01:46:56 | webguest02 | what up mouser |
| 01:46:59 | webguest02 | ive been there |
| 01:47:01 | webguest02 | any more |
| 01:47:04 | bersace | in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#How_can_I_make_playlists_on_my_P |
| 01:47:06 | webguest02 | u helped me last night |
| 01:47:09 | Soap | rockbox-themes.org needs to die. |
| 01:47:13 | GodEater | I did the same thing as was specified for the cvs build server |
| 01:47:14 | Mouser_X | webguest02: Not that I know of |
| 01:47:16 | GodEater | did a checkout |
| 01:47:19 | webguest02 | 48 |
| 01:47:20 | bersace | i suggest to use fapg : fast playlist generator |
| 01:47:23 | webguest02 | webguest48 |
| 01:47:23 | linuxstb_ | Soap: Why? |
| 01:47:27 | webguest02 | or whatever |
| 01:47:28 | GodEater | and then moved the rockbox directory contents up to ~rbclient |
| 01:47:28 | bersace | instead of manual cmd line |
| 01:47:34 | amiconn | humm.... |
| 01:47:45 | Soap | linuxstb_: the division of themes amongst two seperate sites is silly, IMHOI. |
| 01:47:50 | Soap | (minus the L) |
| 01:47:57 | Soap | I even |
| 01:48:02 | linuxstb_ | Then delete the wiki versions... |
| 01:48:32 | Mouser_X | Personally, I don't want to sign up on the Wiki just to submit a WPS/theme. |
| 01:48:55 | Mouser_X | If I ever submit something, I'll have someone else post it for me. |
| 01:48:57 | Soap | am I sensing that rockbox-themes.org is yours linuxstb_ ? |
| 01:49:09 | linuxstb_ | Not at all. But I think it's nicer than the wiki. |
| 01:49:18 | linuxstb_ | In fact I have no idea who runs it... |
| 01:49:32 | scorche | i have been trying to figure that out for a while now... |
| 01:49:34 | pixelma | it's redbreva's IIRC |
| 01:50:02 | GodEater | I also think it's better organised than the wiki |
| 01:50:04 | Soap | what do you like better about it, maybe I can clean up the wiki copy. |
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| 01:50:30 | Febs | I've been thinking that it would be useful if Rockbox could automatically load a .cfg file located in a directory when it plays songs from that directory. |
| 01:50:44 | Febs | That would, for example, allow directory-based EQ presets. |
| 01:50:49 | linuxstb_ | Soap: The fact that it's a database, and (I assume) moderated in some way. |
| 01:50:55 | GodEater | linuxstb: fixed it - svn up works now |
| 01:51:08 | GodEater | I'd not moved the .svn directory previously |
| 01:51:13 | Febs | I'm not sure how feasible this is, but I thought that I would put the idea out there. |
| 01:51:49 | Mikachu | sounds like it would require a disk spinup on every song change |
| 01:52:04 | linuxstb_ | on every directory change... |
| 01:52:47 | Mikachu | if you're going to listen to songs from a single directory it's not much trouble to click the cfg manually first, i was assuming shuffle over many dirs |
| 01:53:20 | Mouser_X | I don't think I've ever used the shuffling feature. |
| 01:53:23 | linuxstb_ | I think the only clean way would be to buffer the .cfg file in the audio buffer... |
| 01:53:27 | Mouser_X | Or Crossfading. |
| 01:53:30 | GodEater | right - I'm off to bed. Hope my build server is okay now. |
| 01:53:43 | amiconn | Hmm, strange |
| 01:53:45 | Mikachu | i use the insert shuffled, rather than shuffle at playback time |
| 01:53:51 | Mouser_X | (Meaning, of any music/media player, at all.) |
| 01:54:03 | * | amiconn wonders how he managed to put a " in a fat file name before |
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| 01:54:26 | linuxstb_ | In Rockbox? |
| 01:54:34 | amiconn | Rockbox can do that, and windows even shows it in explorer, but cannot open the file |
| 01:54:40 | linuxstb_ | I've just checked, and Linux doesn't allow it. |
| 01:54:45 | Mikachu | does fat really not support such chars, or is it just an artificial limitation to make windows happy? |
| 01:54:57 | Mikachu | it's super annoying when copying over files |
| 01:55:07 | amiconn | Mikachu: Judging from the data structures it's an artificial limitation |
| 01:55:23 | * | Mikachu reads man mount section vfat |
| 01:57:37 | Mikachu | doesn't seem to be a switch for it there, didn't think so either |
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| 01:58:37 | linuxstb_ | Guess you could hack the Linux vfat driver... |
| 01:58:54 | Mikachu | i already have namei.c open in gvim :) |
| 01:58:54 | jdong | what's the technical reason for why I can't move the audio thread on my iPod to the coprocessor? |
| 01:59:10 | jdong | from trial-and-error it causes lockups when attempting playback :) |
| 01:59:18 | linuxstb_ | Probably the cache. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:12 | w1ll14m|away | jdong: why do you want to move the audio thread to COP ? |
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| 02:00:20 | bersace | seems that vfat perf are very slow compared to ext |
| 02:00:32 | bersace | or hfs+ |
| 02:00:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Either the cache or the fiq |
| 02:00:34 | jdong | w1ll14m: in an attempt to make the UI more responsive... |
| 02:00:40 | w1ll14m | couln't sleep btw.... |
| 02:00:59 | jdong | trying to give the UI its own processor basically... |
| 02:01:03 | Mikachu | update_dotdot, variable name of the day |
| 02:01:05 | amiconn | Doesn't the audio thread configure the fiq? Interrupts aren't enabled on the cop... |
| 02:01:23 | w1ll14m | jdong: whats your target ? |
| 02:01:30 | jdong | ipod 5G |
| 02:01:33 | w1ll14m | k |
| 02:01:37 | jdong | (I have a5.5G 30GB ipod) |
| 02:01:49 | webguest02 | any other sites for themes besides rockbox |
| 02:02:07 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the FIQ is configured for the main CPU. I would hope the kernel-on-cop code enables interrupts on the cop, but the FIQ shouldn't be enabled. |
| 02:02:15 | w1ll14m | jdong: you can try this, works fine for me.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095#comment12381 |
| 02:02:45 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: whats FIQ ? |
| 02:03:04 | w1ll14m | I've never heard of it.... |
| 02:03:22 | webguest02 | any other sites with themes for rockbox |
| 02:03:28 | jdong | and another question, for the USB buttonpress for connection patch |
| 02:03:40 | jdong | (that makes charging default rather than rebooting into diskmode).... |
| 02:03:40 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Ah, yes. The FIQ is configured in the PP control registers for the main CPU, but the audio thread enables it for the current CPU. So yes, it won't work. |
| 02:03:44 | w1ll14m | jdong: true |
| 02:03:48 | jdong | it works in all cases except when USB is plugged in at bootup |
| 02:03:56 | w1ll14m | jdong:also true |
| 02:04:05 | jdong | why is the bootup case different |
| 02:04:16 | jdong | (sorry I'm asking all these questions; please let me be lazy on a friday night :D) |
| 02:04:18 | linuxstb_ | w1ll14m: Fast Interrupt - it's used to feed data to the DAC. |
| 02:04:25 | w1ll14m | jdong: when you connect usb and press menu at the same time it boots to diskmode |
| 02:04:36 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: ok |
| 02:04:42 | jdong | w1ll14m: if I boot up my iPod with the USB attached, it'll reboot into disk mode |
| 02:04:53 | jdong | even though if I plug it in at any other time, it'll stay in rockbox and charge |
| 02:05:19 | jdong | I'm guessing it could be that the USB is detected before Rockbox loads its settings? |
| 02:05:31 | w1ll14m | jdong: that's normal what rockbox does, the patch only add functionality for use in rockbox (i guess) |
| 02:05:34 | Mikachu | hah, victory is mine |
| 02:05:40 | Mikachu | 2007-01-13 02:05 'ipod/?' |
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| 02:05:45 | * | jdong tests theory |
| 02:05:48 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: so audio could never run on COP |
| 02:06:06 | linuxstb_ | w1ll14m: Yes, but you need to configure the FIQ correctly. |
| 02:06:19 | linuxstb_ | Plus deal with the probably cache coherency issues as well. |
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| 02:06:29 | linuxstb_ | s/probably/probable/ |
| 02:06:38 | stevenm | Hey guys. I been out of the loop for a while, and never looked at the DSP code anyway |
| 02:06:42 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: ok, well that's a little to complicated for me yet :) |
| 02:06:47 | stevenm | But question- does rockbox support Surround type effects? |
| 02:07:15 | w1ll14m | stevenm: it does supports stereo width |
| 02:07:20 | jdong | yes, my theory was correct :) |
| 02:07:22 | stevenm | Ie, do we have an effect for making the music sound more 3D? In the sense that a sound card's 3D controls would do it |
| 02:07:25 | linuxstb_ | Plus crossfeed. |
| 02:07:28 | w1ll14m | jdon: hahah true ;) |
| 02:07:33 | jdong | static bool usb_powerbutton_for_connect = false; |
| 02:07:35 | stevenm | w1ll14m, aah ok |
| 02:07:37 | jdong | false needs to be true :) |
| 02:07:50 | stevenm | Is the stereo stuff implemented using adjusting the volume disparity of left/right channels, or some other way? |
| 02:07:53 | jdong | rockbox detects USB on startup BEFORE its settings load :) |
| 02:08:19 | Mikachu | jdong: i inverted the check for the button press, ie holding menu goes to diskmode and not charges |
| 02:08:21 | w1ll14m | jdong: that was my theory too :) |
| 02:08:35 | jdong | Mikachu: ah, you're the one who made the patch? |
| 02:08:43 | Mikachu | no i just mean what i did for myself |
| 02:08:50 | jdong | ah ok |
| 02:09:00 | amiconn | jdong: rockbox does detect usb even before initialising ata |
| 02:09:09 | jdong | ok |
| 02:09:18 | stevenm | I've been playing with this little sound program, and introducing small delays for certain frequencies on the left and right produces some very nice surround-like effects |
| 02:09:22 | amiconn | That's for safety reasons (although not strictly needed on ipods) |
| 02:09:44 | jdong | amiconn: makes sense, thanks for the info :) |
| 02:10:08 | stevenm | Maybe that is how SRS WOW works or whatever, and we could implement that.. Maybe split left/right output into several bands, delay each a slightly different amount, and recombine |
| 02:10:08 | w1ll14m | i am planning to buy a 60GB ipod 5g :) |
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| 02:11:19 | w1ll14m | 30GB ipod is full :| only hardcore is allready 26GB ;) |
| 02:11:27 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 02:11:34 | XeRiUM | hey if i plugin USB on my ipod, i wont lose my saved pokemon games n stuff will i? |
| 02:12:02 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: oggenc -q2 * |
| 02:12:03 | jdong | what thread does the software EQ? |
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| 02:12:16 | jdong | audio? codec? |
| 02:12:17 | webguest94 | hi all |
| 02:12:19 | w1ll14m | xerieum:if you have usb button press patch, and you have configured it in gui |
| 02:12:21 | x1jmp | do the << and >> operators care of endianess? |
| 02:12:56 | webguest94 | is it possible to connect the ipod with wlan-usb |
| 02:12:57 | w1ll14m | mikachu: lol takes weeks to re-encode music.... i can get a brand new ipod 60 gb for 250 euro's |
| 02:13:07 | XeRiUM | hmm i dont think i understood that will :( |
| 02:13:14 | w1ll14m | jdong: correct |
| 02:13:14 | jdong | webguest94: what do you mean? |
| 02:13:17 | webguest94 | me? |
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| 02:13:33 | jdong | w1ll14m: correct? which thread is it? |
| 02:13:47 | w1ll14m | xerium: you have to patch rockbox with a special patch to disable usb reboot |
| 02:13:54 | w1ll14m | jdong:audio |
| 02:14:12 | jdong | w1ll14m: so I should move scroll over to the COP :D |
| 02:14:13 | w1ll14m | jdong: i use a very heavy soft+hard eq |
| 02:14:28 | w1ll14m | jdong: it's very diffcult to move audio |
| 02:14:29 | XeRiUM | oh, where is the patch? |
| 02:14:35 | w1ll14m | jdong:i've tried it.... |
| 02:14:42 | jdong | w1ll14m: I shall do the opposite then |
| 02:14:51 | jdong | move as much of the other stuff to the COP as it allows |
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| 02:15:29 | w1ll14m | xerium:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744 |
| 02:15:40 | webguest94 | ipod+wlan usb =tu use webradio |
| 02:15:42 | w1ll14m | jdong:i've overcloacked my ipod a little |
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| 02:15:43 | webguest94 | ? |
| 02:15:52 | linuxstb_ | XeRiUM: What exactly are you worried about? |
| 02:15:53 | jdong | w1ll14m: I'm not gonna resort to that yet ;-) |
| 02:15:54 | XeRiUM | thanks will |
| 02:16:11 | w1ll14m | jdong: wel i thought i will just give it a try :) |
| 02:16:12 | jdong | webguest94: you mean connect a USB wireless card to the iPod? |
| 02:16:19 | w1ll14m | no prob xerrium |
| 02:16:24 | webguest94 | yes |
| 02:16:24 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:16:35 | jdong | webguest94: (1) USB host (OTG) mode is not working in rockbox |
| 02:16:45 | webguest94 | router wlan usb wlan ipod webradio system with rockbox |
| 02:16:49 | jdong | (2) No wireless stack or drivers are in Rockbox or have been developed in any way with Rockbox |
| 02:16:56 | jdong | (3) no TCP/IP stack in Rockbox |
| 02:17:05 | jdong | this is Rockbox, not iPodLinux :D |
| 02:17:33 | jdong | which LCD driver is for iPod 5G? |
| 02:17:33 | jdong | firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c? |
| 02:17:34 | webguest94 | yes but ipod 5.5g 30gb and ipodlinux =bad does`t work |
| 02:17:47 | jdong | webguest94: I know. I have a 5.5G/30GB |
| 02:17:51 | webguest94 | yes |
| 02:17:57 | webguest94 | rockbox work well |
| 02:18:13 | w1ll14m | webguest94:that's gonna be a problem i think..... |
| 02:18:14 | jdong | webguest94: just saying it's unlikely that a networking stack, much less wifi, will be available for Rockbox anytime soon |
| 02:18:25 | w1ll14m | jdong: i agree |
| 02:18:29 | webguest94 | ohh |
| 02:18:30 | XeRiUM | w1ll14m: whenever i enable the usb connection to take place, it is going to reboot? |
| 02:18:57 | jdong | webguest94: IMO it's much more hopeful that iPodLinux will gain 5.5G support in the near future. much more hopeful than rockbox being networkable :D |
| 02:19:10 | w1ll14m | xerium: if you have usb plugged in while bootin rockbox it will reboot to diskmode |
| 02:19:17 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but IPL doesn't have a USB driver either... |
| 02:19:22 | webguest94 | okay okay i understand but it ist possible |
| 02:19:37 | jdong | XeRiUM: unless you do the change I just described 5 minutes ago |
| 02:19:50 | webguest94 | sorry |
| 02:19:52 | linuxstb_ | Or simply hold MENU whilst inserting the cable... |
| 02:20:04 | jdong | linuxstb_: that's a PITA to do at bootup :D |
| 02:20:07 | w1ll14m | xerieum, linuxstb: indeed |
| 02:20:25 | jdong | XeRiUM: firmware/usb.c, static bool usb_powerbutton_for_connect = false; |
| 02:20:29 | jdong | XeRiUM: change false to true |
| 02:20:39 | jdong | (after applying the buttonpress patch of course) |
| 02:20:42 | XeRiUM | ooh |
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| 02:20:44 | XeRiUM | ok |
| 02:20:56 | XeRiUM | where do i find that line of code? |
| 02:21:10 | jdong | XeRiUM: firmware/usb.c |
| 02:21:11 | w1ll14m | xerieum: open a text editor |
| 02:21:17 | XeRiUM | ah ok |
| 02:21:22 | jdong | around line 93 |
| 02:21:24 | XeRiUM | sry for being an idiot :) |
| 02:21:33 | jdong | np, I'm an idiot too :) |
| 02:21:40 | w1ll14m | xerieum: me too ;) |
| 02:21:40 | XeRiUM | haha |
| 02:21:42 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 02:22:06 | * | jdong had fun making a bzr branch out of the new SVN rockbox repo |
| 02:22:12 | w1ll14m | i mean ... i must be an idiot when you overcloack your ipod :) |
| 02:22:14 | jdong | I would make it available online, but it's a whopping 200MB :) |
| 02:22:28 | w1ll14m | jdong:thats heavy ;) |
| 02:22:30 | jdong | (and for those who ask why, for easier management of patches) |
| 02:22:51 | jdong | w1ll14m: I help around a bit on bzr, and they needed some testers for the bzr-svn plugin :D |
| 02:23:12 | w1ll14m | bzr stands for ? |
| 02:23:26 | Mikachu | bazaar |
| 02:23:30 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 02:23:33 | XeRiUM | ok another stupid question, how do i get the patch on? |
| 02:23:53 | | Part webguest18 |
| 02:24:06 | w1ll14m | xerieum download patch place in rockbox root then cat patch.diff | patch -p0 |
| 02:24:15 | w1ll14m | or -p1 |
| 02:24:19 | jdong | w1ll14m: bazaar-NG, a new-fangled distributed revision control system |
| 02:24:33 | w1ll14m | jdong: url ? |
| 02:24:49 | XeRiUM | rockbox root is the file called .rockbox on my ipod right? or is that my C:\rockbox |
| 02:25:00 | jdong | w1ll14m: bzr is at http://bazaar-vcs.org/ |
| 02:25:08 | w1ll14m | xerieum: you need rockbox cvs |
| 02:25:30 | w1ll14m | xerieum: then patch and compile your own custom rockbox |
| 02:25:33 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: svn |
| 02:25:40 | jdong | w1ll14m: I will publish a mirror of rockbox SVN in bzr as soon as one of my hosters doesn't mind about 200MB of usage :D |
| 02:25:42 | w1ll14m | svn :) sorry ;) |
| 02:25:56 | jdong | Mikachu: cvs, svn, interchangeable terminology :) |
| 02:26:01 | w1ll14m | jdong: whahaha i have my own hosting..... |
| 02:26:04 | Mikachu | jdong: do you really need to save all previous history in that repo? |
| 02:26:23 | jdong | Mikachu: that's what the bzr-svn plugin does, and it was the simplest way to make a bzr mirror |
| 02:26:26 | Mikachu | it's 5 years worth |
| 02:26:30 | w1ll14m | i own a 22MBIT down + 2 MBIT up connection :) cable |
| 02:26:40 | jdong | Mikachu: but no, I don't need all 11000 freakin revisions :) |
| 02:26:46 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 02:26:49 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: i have 100 both ways |
| 02:26:55 | XeRiUM | w1ll14m: ok so i need to completely take rockbox off, and start over again with rockbox cvs? |
| 02:26:59 | jdong | w1ll14m: I have a similar connection too but TOS restricts me heavily |
| 02:27:08 | jdong | XeRiUM: no |
| 02:27:20 | jdong | XeRiUM: rockbox CVS allows you to build your own rockbox.zip file |
| 02:27:21 | w1ll14m | mikachu: damn that's hot :) |
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| 02:27:30 | jdong | XeRiUM: which you then extract onto your iPod like any other rockbox.zip |
| 02:27:33 | jdong | you can overwrite |
| 02:27:36 | jdong | no need to remove |
| 02:27:37 | w1ll14m | jdong: i only have a ristriction on port 25 |
| 02:27:38 | XeRiUM | oh ok |
| 02:27:39 | Mikachu | w1ll14m: standard swedish connection :) 6$/month |
| 02:27:53 | jdong | w1ll14m: lucky lucky; my ISP does periodic portscans |
| 02:27:59 | w1ll14m | jdong: whahaha :) |
| 02:28:09 | Mikachu | jdong: can't you just block their ip? :) |
| 02:28:10 | jdong | w1ll14m: I can get away with SSH on a disguised port, but that's about it |
| 02:28:19 | w1ll14m | jdong: indeed lucky .... but my ISP allows that kind a stuff except an SMTP server |
| 02:28:20 | jdong | Mikachu: I have actually tried that before |
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| 02:28:28 | jdong | Mikachu: they zapped my connection 6 hours later |
| 02:28:44 | BiptoN | |
| 02:28:50 | w1ll14m | jdong: what do you have internet for in that case..... :| |
| 02:29:07 | jdong | w1ll14m: I just can't run servers; anything else is fair game :) |
| 02:29:16 | jdong | fortunately I have hosting space set out here and there |
| 02:29:30 | BiptoN | where do I pull up the log for this conversation guys? |
| 02:29:32 | w1ll14m | jdong: i would kill my self if i couldn't run my own servers :) |
| 02:29:54 | jdong | w1ll14m: they let it slide usually, unless you start using your upload heavily |
| 02:30:07 | jdong | w1ll14m: i.e. right now Apache is running on my server/router |
| 02:30:18 | jdong | but the moment I start serving a 200MB file, they'll start complaining |
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| 02:30:39 | Mikachu | sometimes i have my upstream at 5MB/s for days :) |
| 02:30:42 | debauched_sloth | is there someone here who can post a file to download.rockbox.org? |
| 02:30:54 | w1ll14m | jdong: check http://stats.schoorl.nu/stat.php?name=rl0-wan&period=day_big&picture=yes |
| 02:31:00 | fejfighter | BiptoN: http://www.rockbox.org/irc |
| 02:31:03 | debauched_sloth | I have a patch I need to check in and it requires a new bootloader and the prebuilt one posted there will no longer work |
| 02:31:08 | w1ll14m | this is a day i've been very quit in the net.... |
| 02:31:28 | XeRiUM | maybe i dont need to get CVS and bootplug thing cause i just tried plugging it in then taking it back out, and my pokemon file was the same |
| 02:31:43 | jdong | w1ll14m: http://jdlan.gotdns.org/phpsysinfo/ |
| 02:31:47 | jdong | w1ll14m: SHHHH don't tell my ISP :D |
| 02:31:49 | * | bersace is spending hours renameing tons of ogg :( |
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| 02:32:04 | w1ll14m | lol....... http://stats.schoorl.nu/stat.php?name=rl0-wan&period=year_big&picture=yes |
| 02:32:05 | * | bersace is spending hours copying to vfat … |
| 02:32:12 | XeRiUM | i must say though, pokemon drinka my battery |
| 02:32:28 | jdong | XeRiUM: rockbox eats batteries for lunch period |
| 02:32:32 | jdong | on the iPod that is |
| 02:32:36 | w1ll14m | jdong:whahahhaa |
| 02:33:00 | XeRiUM | haha yea |
| 02:33:03 | jdong | but for me it's worth it :) |
| 02:33:07 | w1ll14m | jdong:indeed..... when you use a nice theme + soft eq then you battery lives for about 2 till 4 hours.... |
| 02:33:15 | w1ll14m | jdong: for me too ;) |
| 02:33:30 | jdong | there are times where I'll use original firmware for music listening though |
| 02:33:30 | LithiumTR | Any idea on what to do on an iPod that won't wake up after a shutdown? |
| 02:33:31 | XeRiUM | w1ll41m or jdong, which themes you guys use? |
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| 02:33:36 | jdong | i.e. like I know I won't have a charger after a few hours |
| 02:33:39 | jdong | days |
| 02:33:40 | jdong | * |
| 02:33:45 | w1ll14m | jdon: i don't use stock firmware anymore.... |
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| 02:33:49 | jdong | LithiumTR: attempt a reset procedure several times |
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| 02:33:56 | jdong | w1ll14m: video playback is still an important feature for me |
| 02:34:27 | jdong | LithiumTR: your ipod might be off but it'll still listen :) |
| 02:34:30 | w1ll14m | jdong: that's true, i am also a proud owner of an psp :) running firmware 303 OE-B |
| 02:34:42 | jdong | w1ll14m: well, then that's why :) |
| 02:34:50 | jdong | I still use my ipod for my video on the go needs |
| 02:34:59 | jdong | and appreciate my ability to play back H.264 :) |
| 02:35:07 | w1ll14m | lithiumtr: try to reboot ipod menu+hold |
| 02:35:11 | * | bersace should spend hours implemented a ext3 version of rockbox :P |
| 02:35:16 | w1ll14m | jdong: lo l;) |
| 02:35:28 | jdong | bersace: why on earth? :D |
| 02:35:30 | w1ll14m | jdong:psp supports homebrew ;) |
| 02:35:39 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 02:35:46 | jdong | bersace: you lose windows and OSX compatibility.... |
| 02:36:00 | jdong | and ext3 is considerably more complex than VFAT |
| 02:36:03 | * | linuxstb_ suspects it would be weeks, not hours... |
| 02:36:06 | jdong | I hope your rockbox won't be journaling :D |
| 02:36:11 | w1ll14m | jdong: not true, ext3 drivers are availible for windows :) |
| 02:36:17 | bersace | jdong: i don't use windows |
| 02:36:17 | * | jdong suspects it'll be months |
| 02:36:20 | w1ll14m | and probably mac too ;) |
| 02:36:26 | jdong | w1ll14m: not true, half-working ext2 drivers are availabe for Windows |
| 02:36:35 | jdong | w1ll14m: they SUCK when dealing with removable media |
| 02:36:35 | bersace | tiger has ext3 driver, but far unstable |
| 02:36:38 | * | preglow discovers the niceness of valgrind |
| 02:36:39 | w1ll14m | jdong: correct they also work with ext3 :) |
| 02:36:49 | jdong | w1ll14m: yes, but they are ext2 drivers |
| 02:36:55 | jdong | i.e. they will not mount ext3's with unclean journals |
| 02:37:01 | w1ll14m | jdong: to me it's useless to use ext2/3 at windows... |
| 02:37:18 | jdong | w1ll14m: the only reason I'd use it is to pull data off an ext3 partition |
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| 02:37:20 | w1ll14m | was playing with it when i set up iSCSI |
| 02:37:21 | bersace | expecially if you don't own a license |
| 02:37:33 | linuxstb_ | LithiumTR: Keep charging it, and trying MENU+SELECT |
| 02:37:48 | jdong | LithiumTR: flick hold on then off, then menu+select |
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| 02:37:52 | Mikachu | LithiumTR: and making sure hold is off |
| 02:37:59 | jdong | LithiumTR: hold the two buttons down until your fingers get sore :) |
| 02:38:05 | LithiumTR | Haha |
| 02:38:08 | LithiumTR | It rebooted in the end |
| 02:38:17 | w1ll14m | ahahaha |
| 02:38:20 | LithiumTR | linuxstb_, my iPod shuts down now, any light on this? |
| 02:38:24 | w1ll14m | but it did rebooted ;) |
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| 02:38:32 | jdong | LithiumTR: low battery? |
| 02:38:37 | w1ll14m | sometimes in my old custom builds i had this problem too.. |
| 02:38:39 | linuxstb_ | LithiumTR: No, that just adds to the mystery... |
| 02:39:00 | LithiumTR | 20070112/latest build shuts down fine |
| 02:39:15 | Mikachu | if it's low on charge it might succeed starting up then run out of power again after a few seconds |
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| 02:39:48 | w1ll14m | if i don't have enough power ll reboot into diskmode to charge |
| 02:39:55 | w1ll14m | else ll use my firewire charger :) |
| 02:40:05 | w1ll14m | blows 12 volts into ipod and charges nice and fast |
| 02:40:41 | w1ll14m | i'm gonna give my sleep another try :) sleep wel dudes..... |
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| 02:40:50 | Mikachu | don't you mean 4w4y? |
| 02:40:51 | LithiumTR | Ciao w1ll14m|away |
| 02:40:55 | * | jdong has a USB chipset that pumps out the full 500mA to unregistered devices |
| 02:40:56 | LithiumTR | Mikachu, 1337 |
| 02:41:07 | Mikachu | to go with the rest of his nick |
| 02:41:10 | Epidemic | Hey, quick question... I put IPL on my 5th gen ipod, and put rockbox on it... I have rockbox at the boot menu, and if I select rockbox, it goes to a menu with calendar contacts etc... When I select rockbox, it shows a rockbox screen, and then goes back to the same menu... am I just doing something stupid or what? |
| 02:41:37 | linuxstb_ | That's the file browser, not a menu. |
| 02:41:38 | | Nick w1ll14m|away is now known as w1ll14m|4w4y (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) |
| 02:42:06 | linuxstb_ | Press MENU to bring up the menu. |
| 02:42:16 | linuxstb_ | And read the manual... |
| 02:42:55 | LithiumTR | What's the best way to make sure when you update the Rockbox database that it's actually finished updating |
| 02:42:57 | preglow | jdong: most chipsets do that |
| 02:43:09 | LithiumTR | I'll probably get abused, but at the moment I listen to the disk to see if it's stopped spinning |
| 02:43:16 | jdong | preglow: well FWIW my Nforce3 desktop does not |
| 02:43:24 | jdong | it will leak a slow 100mA |
| 02:43:31 | preglow | jdong: probably just cheaper to not include the current limiters |
| 02:43:31 | Epidemic | either way it doesn't show my music... |
| 02:43:35 | BiptoN | fejfighter: thank you |
| 02:43:45 | jdong | preglow: I wish more mobos would do that :D |
| 02:43:55 | linuxstb_ | Unless you're running a theme that disables it, there is a disk activity icon in the status bar. |
| 02:43:58 | jdong | makes it easier to power my random USB gadgets too |
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| 02:44:19 | Mouser_X | Epidemic: What format is your music in? |
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| 02:44:30 | linuxstb_ | Epidemic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 02:44:31 | Mouser_X | What files are you looking for? |
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| 02:44:46 | bersace | does rockbox support skin or similar ? |
| 02:44:51 | Epidemic | Mouser_X: MP3... it was put on the ipod with itunes :-/ |
| 02:44:53 | bersace | does rockbox support video ? |
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| 02:45:05 | Mouser_X | Epidemic: That's your problem. |
| 02:45:05 | LithiumTR | Is there a rapid/quick/slightly fast way of scrolling with an iPod through a list of 2,200 songs? |
| 02:45:11 | linuxstb_ | bersace: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 02:45:15 | jdong | bersace: not really |
| 02:45:17 | Epidemic | Mouser_X: guess you can't do that huh? |
| 02:45:24 | Soap | LithiumTR: 2,200 songs in one directory? |
| 02:45:25 | bersace | thanks |
| 02:45:30 | Mouser_X | Epidemic: iTunes messes filenames beyond recognition. |
| 02:45:41 | Mikachu | LithiumTR: mkdir |
| 02:45:41 | jdong | bersace: it does play elementary mpeg1/2+mp3 audio with some serious limitations |
| 02:45:51 | LithiumTR | Soap: No, I'm using the database view > artists |
| 02:45:51 | jdong | bersace: so no, it's not gonna be better than OEM firmware in terms of video |
| 02:45:59 | bersace | ok |
| 02:46:02 | bersace | not a problem |
| 02:46:10 | bersace | however, about skin |
| 02:46:16 | bersace | does rockbox allow nice UI ? |
| 02:46:23 | Mouser_X | Epidemic: The tags (ID3 and such) are in place though, so you can rename them with the right software. However, they're in a different directory. Read the FAQ that you were linked to. |
| 02:46:27 | jdong | bersace: absolutely |
| 02:46:38 | jdong | bersace: look on the rockbox website, there's pages dedicated to themes |
| 02:46:52 | bersace | ok, thanks |
| 02:47:05 | linuxstb_ | And http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 02:47:09 | Epidemic | Mouser_X: it's easier to just delete the folders that have the songs in them and just transfer the mp3s over... |
| 02:47:15 | jdong | LithiumTR: oh god, that many files, no way |
| 02:47:29 | jdong | LithiumTR: the closest you'll get is the scroll acceleration patches |
| 02:47:34 | LithiumTR | jdong, thanks |
| 02:47:41 | jdong | LithiumTR: but even those lag pretty badly in that extreme a case |
| 02:47:45 | Mouser_X | Epidemic: Yes, it is. That's what I'd suggest, if you have that option. |
| 02:48:30 | LithiumTR | At the moment I've given up accessing anything past Eurythmics |
| 02:48:39 | linuxstb_ | Epidemic: Or use the Rockbox database feature that will present you with a similar interface to your music as the Apple firmware. |
| 02:48:42 | Epidemic | Mouser_X: what I don't get though, is that what can it be setup to read the MP3s and forget about the DRM files... it wouldn't be that hard to do... |
| 02:48:44 | Soap | 2,200 artists? |
| 02:48:49 | LithiumTR | Soap, 2,200 songs |
| 02:48:55 | LithiumTR | Not sure on the artist number |
| 02:48:58 | LithiumTR | A few hundred |
| 02:49:05 | bersace | jdong: are themes just foreground/background ? |
| 02:49:10 | Soap | so when you view by artist you get a few hundred listings? |
| 02:49:20 | LithiumTR | Yeah, a list |
| 02:49:26 | jdong | bersace: background, colors, fonts for the menus; total configurability for the while-playing-screen |
| 02:49:35 | bersace | nice |
| 02:49:55 | jdong | bersace: the degree that you can customize the WPS is just amazing :) |
| 02:50:04 | bersace | :D |
| 02:50:21 | LithiumTR | jdong, any idea on the lack of the artist tag display on my WPS? |
| 02:50:28 | LithiumTR | Even if the files are tagged |
| 02:50:32 | jdong | no idea :-/ |
| 02:50:39 | jdong | LithiumTR: I'm very much a rockbox newbie :) |
| 02:50:42 | bersace | is there a section about themes in the manual ? |
| 02:50:46 | LithiumTR | I got the impression you were an expert |
| 02:51:02 | LithiumTR | Your nick should be jdong|leet |
| 02:51:24 | jdong | naw, I'm a linux nerd / student by trade :D |
| 02:51:33 | jdong | I started using Rockbox like 2 weeks ago |
| 02:51:33 | LithiumTR | Sounds similar to me |
| 02:51:39 | zylche | ...So we're all tradesmen now?! |
| 02:51:47 | Soap | LithiumTR: how are the files tagged? id3v2.4? UTF-16? Artist or Album Artist tag? |
| 02:51:49 | jdong | zylche: so it seems :) |
| 02:51:56 | zylche | Damn, we need a union or something. |
| 02:52:05 | Soap | APE tags?? |
| 02:52:28 | zylche | that sounds as useful as NSFW tags. |
| 02:52:30 | Soap | are you sure of the tags? |
| 02:52:45 | LithiumTR | Soap, ID3 v2, artist tag, UTF8 |
| 02:53:01 | LithiumTR | The tags are fine, mpd in Linux, foobar2000 when I brave Winshit read them fine |
| 02:53:06 | linuxstb | LithiumTR: Do the tags display with the default WPS? |
| 02:53:14 | LithiumTR | The tags display for certain songs |
| 02:53:18 | Soap | foobar can read the dead sea scrolls, it is no test of proper tags. |
| 02:53:34 | LithiumTR | No, not in the default WPS either |
| 02:53:44 | LithiumTR | Any song without an album tag won't display the artist |
| 02:53:49 | Epidemic | hmm, i'm still confused... I converted the database or whatever, trasnfered the files that needed to be transfered, and when I go into the file browser, still nothing... |
| 02:53:56 | linuxstb | Do you have the id3v1/v2 priority set to id3v2? |
| 02:53:59 | LithiumTR | Well, without an album/genre tag |
| 02:54:06 | LithiumTR | linuxstb, The priory is v2, yes |
| 02:54:17 | Soap | LithiumTR: I've never experienced such an issue - do you mind sending me part of an offending file (tags intact)? |
| 02:54:19 | Mikachu | Epidemic: you have to select database/id3 view too |
| 02:54:27 | LithiumTR | Soap, no problem |
| 02:54:45 | linuxstb | Epidemic: Are you following the instructions in the manual? |
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| 02:56:03 | Epidemic | can't find it in the manual... |
| 02:56:09 | Epidemic | unless i'm looking at the wrong manual |
| 02:56:35 | linuxstb | Which manual are you looking at? |
| 02:56:50 | Epidemic | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html |
| 02:57:17 | linuxstb | Go to Chapter 4 - Browsing and Playing, then the Database section. |
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| 02:57:42 | bersace | wahouuu ! http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#iPod_Vision_5G_With_Album_Art |
| 02:57:55 | bersace | is it possible to have the album cover ? |
| 02:58:03 | bersace | is the patch merged ? |
| 02:58:05 | bersace | that's very nice ! |
| 02:58:24 | bersace | i hate iPod which require to buy music in iTunes in order to get Album cover ! |
| 02:58:36 | Epidemic | ok, it's initializing |
| 03:00 |
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| 03:00:26 | XeRiUM | i agree bersace |
| 03:01:04 | Soap | bersace: you are not required to buy music in iTunes to get album cover! |
| 03:01:18 | XeRiUM | yea you can just drag it |
| 03:01:18 | bersace | Soap: how to get them so ? |
| 03:01:39 | XeRiUM | bersace: bottom left corner when you select a song |
| 03:01:42 | Epidemic | hmm, weird... I did intialize... it stopped using the hard-drive now... but it still says database not ready :-/ |
| 03:01:49 | Soap | drag it onto the files, use anapod and folder.jpgs, download it for free form apple, any of a dozen ways. |
| 03:01:56 | Soap | from even |
| 03:02:20 | bersace | thanks |
| 03:02:40 | bersace | i prefer the rhythmbox automatic behaviour ! |
| 03:02:40 | Soap | Epidemic: reboot. |
| 03:02:43 | linuxstb | Epidemic: Shut down your ipod (hold PLAY for a few seconds), and then restart. |
| 03:02:51 | Soap | yea, _cleanly_ reboot. |
| 03:03:21 | Epidemic | that worked :) |
| 03:03:33 | bersace | how to install a theme ? |
| 03:03:47 | bersace | does a theme include WPS or is it seperated ? |
| 03:03:54 | linuxstb | Just unzip the files onto your ipod. |
| 03:04:00 | XeRiUM | bersace: download it, look at contents of folder and place them in .rockbox in correspodning folders |
| 03:04:02 | Soap | bersace: can - doesn't have to. |
| 03:04:12 | bersace | thanks |
| 03:04:27 | XeRiUM | i use the supermario theme :D |
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| 03:04:36 | XeRiUM | edited it a bunch though |
| 03:05:46 | bersace | what are .wps file ? is it wrong if the tarball does not provide such file ? |
| 03:06:43 | Epidemic | is it possible to make the rockbox file browser a little prettier? :) |
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| 03:07:40 | XeRiUM | .wps file is a while playing screen file i believe |
| 03:08:23 | linuxstb | Epidemic: You can change the font, set a background image, change the font colour. |
| 03:08:45 | linuxstb | That fine manual should mention it... |
| 03:09:00 | Epidemic | :P |
| 03:09:38 | BiptoN | linuxstb: thanks for answering me back when |
| 03:09:48 | BiptoN | i had to up and ski-daddle from my machine for a bit |
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| 03:11:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:11:40 | XeRiUM | for the fonts file, i have to make my own in the .rockbox directory correct? |
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| 03:14:05 | debauched_slot1 | Is there someone who can grant me write access to the Wiki? |
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| 03:17:43 | bersace | wahooo ! |
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| 03:17:55 | bersace | very nice iPod 5G with Ubuntu theme :) |
| 03:18:01 | linuxstb_ | debauched_slot1: What's your wiki name? |
| 03:18:01 | bersace | and my ogg collection :) |
| 03:18:06 | bersace | thanks all of you ! |
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| 03:18:16 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb:GregWhite |
| 03:18:53 | linuxstb_ | Done |
| 03:18:57 | debauched_slot1 | Thanks! |
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| 03:29:29 | Alonea | hey linuxstb, hows the rebuffer thing going? |
| 03:31:31 | linuxstb_ | I haven't done any work on mpegplayer recently. |
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| 03:32:22 | Alonea | linuxstb: ah, I was just wondering. |
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| 03:33:12 | bersace | That's strange, the disk in the iPod move differently (and more) with Rockbox than with Apple FW. |
| 03:33:25 | bersace | wish that do not eat too muh battery |
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| 03:34:42 | linuxstb_ | debauched_slot1: Just seen your wiki change. Does 1/12 refer to 1st December or January 12th ? In either case, you should make Bagder aware of the new bootloader so he can update download.rockbox.org |
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| 03:40:43 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb: my bad, will fix the date to a now US/centric format and will ping Bagder |
| 03:41:00 | debauched_slot1 | I uploaded the new bootloader to that page and just dropped the reference to the old one |
| 03:42:09 | bersace | hi |
| 03:42:14 | bersace | how to quit the snake ? |
| 03:42:23 | debauched_slot1 | Anyone have any ideas about the iAudio X5 boot and H100 boot errors/ |
| 03:42:37 | debauched_slot1 | They seem to have been caused by my checkin, but I'm not seeing how |
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| 03:44:26 | linuxstb_ | Have you tried building those targets yourself? Just to check it's not a quirk in the build system? |
| 03:44:31 | debauched_slot1 | trying now |
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| 03:46:36 | linuxstb_ | Seems more likely to be a problem caused by Slasheri's commit earlier - but it's odd that the previous builds didn't pick it up if that was the case. |
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| 03:47:52 | debauched_slot1 | Hmm. iAudio X% boot builds cleanly here |
| 03:47:57 | hotwire_ | hm... i just downloaded the latest build, and on my gigabeat it is skipping big time. |
| 03:48:27 | debauched_slot1 | Did you update your bootloader? |
| 03:48:42 | hotwire_ | is there a new bootloader to dl? |
| 03:48:49 | debauched_slot1 | oh yes |
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| 03:49:14 | hotwire_ | link? |
| 03:49:16 | debauched_slot1 | attached here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
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| 03:50:28 | linuxstb_ | debauched_slot1: It doesn't build cleanly for me... |
| 03:50:48 | debauched_slot1 | what do you get, linuxstb? |
| 03:51:05 | debauched_slot1 | X5 or H100? |
| 03:51:29 | linuxstb_ | X5 |
| 03:52:02 | debauched_slot1 | same errors as build? |
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| 03:52:13 | debauched_slot1 | as the build server, I should say. |
| 03:52:24 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 03:52:24 | MCS117 | hello |
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| 03:53:00 | linuxstb_ | If you look at bootloader/main.c, what revision does it say at the top? |
| 03:53:53 | debauched_slot1 | $Id: main.c 11993 2007-01-12 20:45:37Z miipekk $ |
| 03:54:19 | debauched_slot1 | hm. |
| 03:54:19 | linuxstb_ | How big is it? Mine is 16437 bytes. |
| 03:54:33 | hotwire_ | debauched_slot1: okay, not she runs |
| 03:54:37 | hotwire_ | *now |
| 03:54:44 | debauched_slot1 | rw-r−−r−− 1 gwhite gwhite 16437 Jan 12 21:44 main.c |
| 03:54:45 | debauched_slot1 | -rw-r−−r−− 1 gwhite gwhite 3261 Jan 10 21:45 tpj1022.c |
| 03:54:45 | debauched_slot1 | gwhite@lively:~/rockbox/bootloader$ md5sum main.c |
| 03:54:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK debauched_slot1 |
| 03:54:45 | debauched_slot1 | d0c9bedf0547ee0dfa803e569d35e921 main.c |
| 03:54:54 | Alonea | but yet if you look at build.rockbox.org it says the newest...but I am guessing 2 different things. |
| 03:55:05 | pearldiver | debauched_slot1 did you commit your changes now? |
| 03:55:06 | jba | hey gang |
| 03:55:08 | debauched_slot1 | hotwire_: excellent |
| 03:55:13 | linuxstb_ | debauched_slot1: Identical to mine. And it builds fine? |
| 03:55:20 | debauched_slot1 | pearldiver: yes, all committed |
| 03:55:25 | jba | someone thank gotthardt for applying the bass/treble patch |
| 03:55:26 | pearldiver | great |
| 03:55:26 | jba | for me |
| 03:55:28 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb: yes |
| 03:55:43 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb: builds fine from veryclean |
| 03:55:46 | hotwire_ | I'm test running elephant's dream to see if the video cuts off any later |
| 03:55:54 | linuxstb_ | Search for adc_battery in that file. For the X5, it's used in main(), but not declared any more - Slasheri's last commit moved the definitions. |
| 03:56:04 | hotwire_ | (since we have more memory freed acc'd to the log |
| 03:56:28 | jba | hey is configure changed, does that affect bootloader? |
| 03:57:01 | debauched_slot1 | jba: YES, new bootloader |
| 03:57:13 | debauched_slot1 | configure change, also TTB has moved |
| 03:57:19 | | Part hcs |
| 03:57:47 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb:yes, I see it |
| 03:57:54 | jba | i'll give you guys an hour, then svn up and rebuild all |
| 03:57:58 | MCS117 | how much of c/c++ do i need to know to compile rockbox? |
| 03:58:00 | jba | yay for svn finally |
| 03:58:03 | jba | i can do svn revert |
| 03:58:08 | jba | i've been waiting so long for that |
| 03:58:17 | scorche | MCS117: none |
| 03:58:21 | jba | MCS117, you need to no preprocessor |
| 03:58:25 | jba | hehe |
| 03:58:33 | MCS117 | huh? |
| 03:58:46 | scorche | MCS117: it doesnt require any C knowledge to compile |
| 03:58:58 | scorche | making changes to the code is where that comes in handy |
| 03:59:01 | MCS117 | ok? |
| 03:59:14 | pearldiver | all the latest builds are being updated as well? |
| 03:59:15 | MCS117 | do i need to know any programming to compile rockbox? |
| 03:59:19 | scorche | no |
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| 03:59:29 | MCS117 | ummm |
| 03:59:34 | MCS117 | prob not saying this correctly |
| 03:59:42 | scorche | you probably arent |
| 03:59:43 | MCS117 | im waiting for the sansa to come out |
| 03:59:57 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb: how do you want to proceed with this? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:15 | scorche | MCS117: what are you getting at? |
| 04:00:30 | BiptoN | w1ll14m: are you still here? |
| 04:00:46 | MCS117 | is it currently being done or do i have to do some changes to it? |
| 04:00:48 | MCS117 | to use it? |
| 04:00:59 | Llorean | MCS117: It doesn't yet support audio. |
| 04:01:05 | MCS117 | ahh |
| 04:01:05 | MCS117 | ok |
| 04:01:05 | scorche | it is not capable of...yeah.. |
| 04:01:23 | linuxstb_ | debauched_slot1: I think it can wait until tomorrow. The automatic bootloader builds aren't made available, so it doesn't matter if they're broken. I'm convinced Slasheri broke it, but there also seems something extremely weird going on if you can compile that code... |
| 04:01:26 | MCS117 | so it won't be for a while then... |
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| 04:01:45 | debauched_slot1 | linuxstb: I can't - had the wrong target selected |
| 04:01:46 | Llorean | MCS117: It'll be listed in the supported list on the front page once it works. |
| 04:01:53 | MCS117 | ok |
| 04:01:53 | debauched_slot1 | NOW I can't, with the right target |
| 04:02:23 | linuxstb_ | OK, that's reassuring... Now the only mystery is why earlier builds succeeded. |
| 04:02:52 | MCS117 | are the startup and shutdown splashes able to edited in rockbox for the sansa in due time? |
| 04:03:05 | jba | debauched_slot1, so i should hold off svn uping |
| 04:03:29 | debauched_slot1 | jba: go for it, but be sure to update your bootloader! without it, everything is most unhappy |
| 04:03:37 | jba | aah that's easy |
| 04:03:42 | jba | i always do that when i compile for myselfg |
| 04:03:53 | jba | just in case i missed a mmu update in the logs or something |
| 04:04:02 | linuxstb_ | MCS117: They are not user-configurable, but you can edit the source... |
| 04:04:21 | debauched_slot1 | jba: I am somewhat sick of that MMU right now :) |
| 04:04:27 | MCS117 | so i need to know some c to modify them? |
| 04:04:30 | jba | hey you guys notice that when the battery is "low" on the gigabeat, shuting down and then restarting gives you a 1 second backlight delay |
| 04:04:39 | jba | must be loading some default settings or something |
| 04:04:40 | jba | quite annoying |
| 04:05:13 | linuxstb_ | The default backlight timeout is 4s. |
| 04:05:23 | jba | it's a strange behaviour |
| 04:05:32 | jba | if you go into to settings though, the original timeout is set |
| 04:05:39 | jba | so you just have to select it again to fix |
| 04:05:44 | debauched_slot1 | jba: not strange, we have a problem with short backlight timeouts firing backlight fades before boot is complete |
| 04:06:04 | jba | yeah that's cool |
| 04:06:06 | debauched_slot1 | so, for now, I have it set to wait a few seconds before doing any backlight manipulation |
| 04:06:07 | jba | noticed that ages ago |
| 04:06:10 | jba | it's not that annoying |
| 04:06:21 | jba | i'll update and test |
| 04:06:24 | debauched_slot1 | is that what you are referring to? |
| 04:06:31 | jba | basically my gigabeat goes to < 10 battery level after 1 hour |
| 04:06:37 | debauched_slot1 | yes, there are some serious backlight changes recently |
| 04:06:46 | debauched_slot1 | we need to calibrate the battery, ASAP |
| 04:06:58 | jba | from that point on, shutting down and restarting means i don't get the correct backlight fade |
| 04:06:58 | debauched_slot1 | I think the current runtime is 13-15 hours |
| 04:07:01 | jba | it becomes something like 1 second |
| 04:07:20 | jba | yeah run time is real long, it's just the battery level that's wrong |
| 04:07:24 | debauched_slot1 | yes |
| 04:07:46 | pearldiver | new users get scared of battery meter |
| 04:07:49 | debauched_slot1 | I want to try runtime with one of my audio books. It should go >1 hour between disk spinups |
| 04:08:00 | pearldiver | they think rockbox is eating their players alive |
| 04:08:01 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: i have a bootloader i compiled from today's source for the grayscal 4g, it reboots 3-8 times before it actually loads rockbox |
| 04:08:07 | pearldiver | and uninstall it |
| 04:08:22 | debauched_slot1 | yes, we need the calibration BADLY |
| 04:08:40 | debauched_slot1 | we have a few battery benches, we should be able to at least get into the ball park |
| 04:08:49 | jba | cool svn upping noi think when rockbox thinks it's shutting down on low bat it doesn't save settings |
| 04:09:08 | hcs | I've got another gigabeat bench with mp3s if that might help |
| 04:09:29 | MCS117 | is the e200 movie playback limited because of it's hardware or the software? or do i ask this somewhere else? |
| 04:09:36 | debauched_slot1 | hcs: yes! |
| 04:09:38 | jba | debauched_slot1, you think the calibration can be down with current instead of voltage |
| 04:09:49 | pearldiver | debauched_slot1 |
| 04:09:52 | debauched_slot1 | jba: don't know |
| 04:09:52 | pearldiver | <Alonea> http://myweb.cableone.net/Tx-Files9/battery_bench_gigabeat_Alonea.txt |
| 04:09:56 | pearldiver | get another bench there please |
| 04:10:03 | jba | i use my mp3 player strangely, 1 hour lots at a time, so my bench wouldn't be too smooth anyhhow |
| 04:11:28 | Alonea | also just started my second bench |
| 04:11:56 | Alonea | I will get it to you tomorrow when it finishes. |
| 04:11:58 | jba | aah bugger using the svn bootloader means i lose rescue mode usb for the gigabeat |
| 04:12:07 | jba | i should really look into that at one point |
| 04:12:08 | jba | oh well |
| 04:12:55 | linuxstb_ | BiptoN: Do you have any patches applied? e.g. the COP patch? |
| 04:13:06 | hcs | debauched_slot1: is there a wiki page for gigabeat battery benches or should I just throw it up somewhere? |
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| 04:13:49 | jba | debauched_slot1, hmmm, this is what i was talking about before: "When the battery is low and you touch a button, the backlight will go right back off. " |
| 04:13:58 | jba | i'm quoting that battery bench txt file from alonea |
| 04:14:08 | Alonea | yes. it does indeed do that. |
| 04:14:13 | linuxstb_ | All the other platforms have a Runtime wiki page - IriverRuntime, IpodRuntime etc. You could create a GigabeatRuntime page if it doesn't already exist. |
| 04:14:56 | Alonea | debauched_slot1: do you also want me to do a bench where the backlight is on the whole time? |
| 04:14:58 | BiptoN | yeah |
| 04:15:01 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: |
| 04:15:13 | BiptoN | i built a bootloader with a patched cop version |
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| 04:15:23 | BiptoN | and I used todays CVS devel bootloader |
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| 04:15:40 | BiptoN | hmmm, i don't think i actually used a build without COP though |
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| 04:16:01 | BiptoN | is it the 2nd cpu wiggin' it out? |
| 04:16:04 | linuxstb_ | Did you disable CPU frequency scaling? That's required for me to get the COP builds working reliably on my Photo/Color. |
| 04:16:11 | BiptoN | no |
| 04:16:19 | BiptoN | i've been playin with the code a little |
| 04:16:24 | jba | okay gotta go spend time with my son, catch you guys later |
| 04:16:40 | BiptoN | i can listen to tunes non-stop til the battery dies with no lockup |
| 04:16:45 | BiptoN | on my grayscale with scaling |
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| 04:20:35 | BiptoN | i have my changes posted on flyspray and a link to w1ll14m's code is there also |
| 04:20:35 | BiptoN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 |
| 04:20:57 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: does the bootloader freak out with COP enabled? |
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| 04:27:53 | hcs | ok, GigabeatRuntime now up, sorry I named my battery bench battery_bench.txt... |
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| 04:34:41 | debauched_sloth | hcs, nice |
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| 04:35:25 | hcs | is there a reason why a working copy of the svn repo is twice the size of the cvs one? |
| 04:35:48 | Llorean | hcs: Because you've got additional modules checked out. |
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| 04:36:05 | hcs | ahh, manual, probably |
| 04:36:09 | linuxstb_ | SVN stores two copies of all the files. |
| 04:36:39 | linuxstb_ | Your version, and the repository version,. |
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| 04:37:26 | hcs | oh, that's interesting, I wonder why tar+bz2 doesn't handle that nicer |
| 04:38:03 | scorche | it makes diffing easier |
| 04:38:06 | puetzk | hcs, it does it so that status and diff don't need the server |
| 04:38:09 | scorche | especially if offline |
| 04:38:14 | jdong | hcs: because the two copies are far enough from each other that bzip2's 500K block size doesn't catch it |
| 04:38:19 | hcs | good idea, as I'm on dialup I appreciate that |
| 04:38:38 | jdong | hcs: if you use LZMA/7zip with a nice 32MB/64MB dictionary, it compreses down to the original size :D |
| 04:38:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:38:49 | * | jdong personally mirrors the entire svn repo locally with bzr |
| 04:38:51 | puetzk | rzip is also very effective on such files |
| 04:38:53 | hcs | jdong: hmm, ok, wonder if there's a way to get tar ordering things more conveniently |
| 04:39:11 | jdong | hcs: that's an exercise left to the *nix nerds :D |
| 04:39:17 | | Part Llorean |
| 04:39:31 | jdong | hcs: but yes, you can use file lists to optimize layout for tars |
| 04:39:34 | jdong | lots of work :D |
| 04:39:46 | jdong | if I move the ata thread to the COP, will that break? |
| 04:39:58 | hcs | LZMA it is |
| 04:39:58 | * | jdong thinks mr. iPod won't be happy |
| 04:43:20 | jdong | ok, no, you can't move ATA to the 2nd core :D |
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| 04:50:25 | geekvideo | anyone know if Rockbox will work with insignia mp3 players? Specifically the Insignia sport NS-DA2G |
| 04:50:44 | scorche | is that on the supported targets list? |
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| 04:51:32 | geekvideo | Did not see it, I just did not know if it was in development or not, I know it is not one of the most popular of mp3 players, |
| 04:52:04 | scorche | it isnt |
| 04:52:27 | geekvideo | no it isnt, that I saw |
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| 05:13:56 | pearldiver | do the latest builds are being updated as well? |
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| 05:21:49 | combrains | hey guys, how would I go about using ipod patcher inside a VM? |
| 05:21:53 | _fejfighter_ | pearldiver: can u re-word that question, i dont quite understand it |
| 05:22:12 | pearldiver | well they have no update logs |
| 05:22:29 | pearldiver | daily builds that is, sorry |
| 05:23:23 | _fejfighter_ | daily builds are just the cvs.. oops svn status at a certain time, if any changes have been made or not |
| 05:23:53 | pearldiver | aha |
| 05:24:56 | _fejfighter_ | the recent changes are on the main page, and as we have only just changed to svn, we are still writing/testing scripts to view more of the changes |
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| 05:40:49 | jba | hey guys, are the volume buttons on the gigabeat meant to work when not in wps mode? |
| 05:41:05 | pearldiver | nope |
| 05:41:12 | pearldiver | the idea was to make them work always |
| 05:41:21 | jba | is that possible? |
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| 05:41:45 | pearldiver | markun said yes |
| 05:42:01 | pearldiver | also, A and POWER should be swapped for all operations |
| 05:43:14 | jba | would love for a to be a mute buttons |
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| 05:44:14 | pearldiver | why not just hit pause? |
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| 05:44:50 | pearldiver | mute is quite a redundant operation |
| 05:45:10 | Alonea | I must agree there. |
| 05:45:10 | jba | haven't had to do a hard power cycle on my giga since christmas |
| 05:45:24 | jba | pearldiver, cause pause doesn't always respond as easily as the a button |
| 05:45:30 | jba | when pushing it in your pocket |
| 05:45:50 | Alonea | i do better. i set the headphone thing on and just unplug the headphones. |
| 05:46:03 | Alonea | to pause that is |
| 05:46:11 | * | Soap is scared of wearing out mechanics like headphone jacks. |
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| 05:46:35 | pearldiver | jba you have a point there |
| 05:47:15 | jba | mmhmm |
| 05:47:16 | pearldiver | but i dont think its quite possible since in rockbox every button performs quite a lot of operations |
| 05:47:42 | Alonea | jba: do you use the controller that came with the gigabeat? Its pretty easy to pause with that |
| 05:47:51 | pearldiver | maybe A - mute, hold A - browse files with stop |
| 05:47:54 | pearldiver | that could work |
| 05:48:34 | jba | Alonea, i didn't get a remote, just the + keys |
| 05:48:44 | pearldiver | oh and again i think POWER and A should be swapped |
| 05:48:55 | jba | and even with the toshy firmware it's not always easy to get it to pause |
| 05:48:55 | pearldiver | so A would be browsing while playing |
| 05:49:00 | jba | must be hardware thing |
| 05:49:28 | Alonea | jba: really? thats wierd. I use the silver remoted thing attatched to the headphones all the time. |
| 05:49:32 | pearldiver | jba well i never really had a problem with pause while holding the player in my hand and pressing through a cover |
| 05:49:48 | pearldiver | Alonea only f40 and f60 come with remote |
| 05:49:48 | Alonea | jba: it raelly didn't give you one when you bought it? |
| 05:50:05 | jba | the x dfoesn't come with remote or cradle |
| 05:50:07 | Alonea | pearldiver: oh, I did not know that. thought it came with all of it |
| 05:50:20 | pearldiver | (though for a cover im using apple grey sock "cover" haha) |
| 05:50:38 | jba | yeah finding it very hard to find any condoms for my gigabeat in australia |
| 05:50:44 | jba | toshiba is just not supporting it properly |
| 05:50:50 | jba | which is a shame cause it's great hardware |
| 05:50:51 | pearldiver | forget about the support |
| 05:50:57 | pearldiver | F X and S are dead now |
| 05:51:05 | jba | support also means accessories dude |
| 05:51:35 | Alonea | jba: well, the cross is a bit bitchy. though the best is to not push it so firmly. and the gigabeat is pretty much dead here in america too. Its all bloody ipod this and ipod that. |
| 05:52:43 | jba | yeah yeah |
| 05:52:50 | jba | iriver is well supported here though |
| 05:52:54 | pearldiver | jba they never bothered with accessories on the 1st place and now all those models are just dead |
| 05:52:54 | jba | and the iaudio is on the way |
| 05:53:21 | pearldiver | get apple sock! haha it fits nicely |
| 05:53:22 | jba | dude i reckon the gigabeat x is the best rockbox taget atm |
| 05:53:27 | jba | i woul;dn't call it dead |
| 05:53:35 | jba | i was thinking more full time condom, than sock |
| 05:53:38 | jba | but i might do that in the end |
| 05:53:39 | pearldiver | X is the best player ever made |
| 05:53:55 | pearldiver | but toshiba dropped any support for it LONG time ago |
| 05:54:10 | pearldiver | thats why im calling them "dead" |
| 05:54:27 | Alonea | the bastards. |
| 05:54:27 | pearldiver | they dont produce them anymore, 0 support |
| 05:54:34 | pearldiver | stores dont sell them |
| 05:54:55 | jba | if it wasn't for the lack of accesories i'd be telling the whole family to get them |
| 05:55:07 | jba | also the retailers are still charging bucket loads for the x here |
| 05:55:08 | jba | bastards |
| 05:55:28 | pearldiver | its weird there are so many X's in australia now |
| 05:55:33 | pearldiver | kinda of an anomaly |
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| 05:58:54 | Alonea | haven't actually looked for a new player since I got the F-40. So I know nothing about the X. Still dont get pearldiver how you got that version number. oh well. mine works. thats whats most important to me. |
| 05:59:19 | Insectoid | Morning to anyone > est -5 |
| 05:59:22 | Insectoid | 'gmt! |
| 05:59:24 | * | Insectoid bounces |
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| 06:00:02 | Insectoid | Pfft. Something's broken. With my compiling of things and stuff. And I've come to beg for help. And yes I've read everything and then other unofficial things and well ... Yeah. |
| 06:02:10 | Insectoid | It seems that somehow someway I'm sans dep-firmware. Which a lot of stuff seems to want. Causing much bitchingness from compilers and things. But I did a good old svn co ... etc, grabbed everything, configured fine, everything built up until the make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/build/firmware/dep-firmware', needed by `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/build/librockbox.a'. Stop. |
| 06:04:42 | jba | just get the vmware dev platform |
| 06:04:45 | jba | off the wiki |
| 06:04:49 | jba | too easy |
| 06:07:30 | Insectoid | Sure sure −− but, VMware, being bad for itself, has quite no luck working with my wonderful, super expensive, useless windows screen reader. |
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| 06:08:34 | Insectoid | Should I just try on my Debian box, and if so, where can I get a later version of arm-elf-gcc? Latest I could find was like 2.95 and that's no good. |
| 06:08:59 | Alonea | well, I did my first compile with cygwin 2 days ago and the only problem I had was the cross compiler was wrong |
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| 06:09:52 | Alonea | and I used that mirrorservice.org |
| 06:09:53 | puetzk | Insectoid, I would just let rockboxdev.sh build the cross compiler for you |
| 06:10:03 | puetzk | (on debian anyway) |
| 06:10:27 | puetzk | I don't know of a packaged version |
| 06:11:04 | Alonea | insectiod: if you need to fix the cross compile follow isntructions on step 4. just use nano or some other editor to do it. if you need more instructions, ask. |
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| 06:12:07 | Insectoid | I grokked that just fine −− the compiler's working, or at least it was detected by configure and works clean from the command line. The problem appears to be later −− I'd really like to get this working with Cygwin on the laptop so when I'm on those long busrides I can tinker tinker.. |
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| 06:13:09 | Insectoid | It just doesn't want to find dep-firmware. |
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| 06:15:49 | Alonea | well, I would say ask Llorean, but he isn't on. |
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| 06:16:50 | Alonea | I just know what I have experience so far. I just pretty much followed the wiki page and then asked for clarification on commands |
| 06:16:55 | Insectoid | Alonea, you're almost an anagram of Llorean, so you'll have to do. Or something. |
| 06:17:03 | T0mo | is there a way to change from the rockbox settings to the original settings? |
| 06:17:11 | Insectoid | Original how? |
| 06:17:25 | T0mo | like normal ipod settings |
| 06:17:26 | Insectoid | What player are you using? |
| 06:17:30 | T0mo | ipod video |
| 06:17:31 | Insectoid | ah Ipod. |
| 06:17:35 | Alonea | T0mo: like the default settings? or the original firmware? |
| 06:17:44 | T0mo | original firmware |
| 06:17:50 | Insectoid | You made a backup of the bootloader? |
| 06:17:57 | T0mo | yeah |
| 06:18:00 | Insectoid | Like it said to in the manual? If not I can send you mine −− 30 gig video. |
| 06:18:04 | Alonea | ah, on gigabeat you push something to load original firmware. |
| 06:18:16 | Alonea | assume it would be similiar to ipod somehow.. |
| 06:18:17 | Insectoid | Um um |
| 06:18:25 | Insectoid | Let me find the command |
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| 06:19:44 | Insectoid | Assuming that your ipod was device 1, you would do... |
| 06:19:48 | Insectoid | ipodpatcher 1 -d |
| 06:20:05 | Insectoid | then just go ahead and delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod |
| 06:20:27 | T0mo | is there a way to change it if its not connected to your computer and then change back? or something |
| 06:20:28 | Insectoid | And while you're at it go throw it in the trash as you have officially crapified it. |
| 06:20:34 | Alonea | Insectoid: ok, just to be sure of everything, you downloaded latest cygwin, installed the base development along with all the packages listen plus whatever else you wanted. Then ran setup again and got files from rockbox. Then fixed the profile file (crosscompiler thing) |
| 06:20:38 | Insectoid | Um. Um |
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| 06:21:59 | Alonea | *listed. gods I can't type tonight |
| 06:22:04 | Insectoid | Well yeah −− mine switches randomly to the regular firmware sometimes, I'm not sure why as I can't see the thing and I have to reset it, so yes. It is possible to switch on the fly. No idea how it happens... Ask my pocket. |
| 06:22:17 | Insectoid | And Yes, I did all that, Alonea. |
| 06:22:41 | T0mo | yeah ive had it swtich to origanl firmware sometimes when i start my ipod |
| 06:23:03 | T0mo | but when i start it again its back to rockbxo |
| 06:23:04 | T0mo | box |
| 06:23:14 | Mouser_X | T0mo: It's buttons that you press when you turn on your iPod. |
| 06:23:29 | Mouser_X | The stuff that Insectoid was telling you is how to UNINSTALL Rockbox. |
| 06:23:38 | Insectoid | My only big smelly complaint is the battery life! Oh and the random freezyness −− but to actually have an mp3 player that will talk to me makes me quite extremely happy. |
| 06:23:39 | Mouser_X | I don't know what buttons those are though. |
| 06:24:27 | T0mo | ok |
| 06:24:46 | Mouser_X | Read the manual. |
| 06:24:50 | Mouser_X | I know it's in there. |
| 06:25:03 | T0mo | ive looked through it but im not sure what it would be under |
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| 06:27:08 | * | Insectoid is officially amused. |
| 06:27:11 | Insectoid | rolo |
| 06:27:22 | Insectoid | lilo |
| 06:27:44 | Mouser_X | No, it's 2 buttons. I think it's Menu, and something else, that need to be pressed in when you startup Rockbox. |
| 06:28:00 | Insectoid | Well menu+select==reset |
| 06:28:18 | Insectoid | Try that while you're starting the thing. |
| 06:28:19 | Ikuma | is 320kbps overkill i always thought if youre gonna compress anyway, its never going to sound as good as vinyl - why not leave it at 192 kbps |
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| 06:32:57 | Alonea | Insectoid: ok, sorry about the wait. Hmm, lemme ask someone else real quick |
| 06:33:51 | Insectoid | Try that while you're starting the thingNo big deal, Alonea. I'm fiddling with stuff and waiting for this script to finish on the Debian box so I can try compiling there. |
| 06:34:00 | Insectoid | and that's what happens when you hit up arrow and don't notice it, kids. |
| 06:34:08 | * | Insectoid coughs |
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| 06:35:55 | Nimdae | ok so what changes do i need to make to kermit to get it back in the build farm? |
| 06:36:03 | Alonea | insectoid: ok. I got an answer for your problem |
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| 06:36:23 | Insectoid | Alonea, you're brilliant. |
| 06:36:25 | Alonea | Insectoid: [23:35]<gotthardt>needs to be in the rockbox dir - type mkdir build - cd build - ../tools/config |
| 06:36:26 | * | Insectoid grins. |
| 06:36:26 | Alonea | [23:35]<gotthardt>then make |
| 06:36:28 | Alonea | [23:35]<gotthardt>then make zip |
| 06:36:58 | Insectoid | ... |
| 06:37:02 | Alonea | yeah, if you dont make your build in the rockbox dir it wont work |
| 06:37:04 | Insectoid | That's what I'm doing. |
| 06:37:23 | Insectoid | And make errors and dies and shows that it doesn't want to work |
| 06:37:37 | Alonea | and then you go into build directory and do the tools/config |
| 06:37:53 | Alonea | and then, still in the build directory, put in make |
| 06:37:57 | Insectoid | yes yes I know |
| 06:38:28 | Alonea | bah, gotthardt..help? |
| 06:38:32 | gotthardt | did you install the tools? |
| 06:38:43 | Insectoid | Yes of course. |
| 06:39:02 | Insectoid | and I know, well I'm relatively confident they work. As when I go arm-elf-gcc, it says 'no input files |
| 06:39:19 | gotthardt | good |
| 06:39:58 | gotthardt | so if you type make clean in the build dir it succeeds? |
| 06:40:04 | Insectoid | Pfft |
| 06:40:23 | Insectoid | Cleaning build directory |
| 06:40:23 | Insectoid | make: *** [clean] Error 57 |
| 06:40:29 | gotthardt | i run cygwins and have no probs... |
| 06:40:30 | Insectoid | Oh dear. |
| 06:40:59 | gotthardt | when you installed cygwin did you choose UNIX endings? |
| 06:41:01 | gotthardt | or dos? |
| 06:41:08 | Insectoid | ... |
| 06:41:14 | Insectoid | I'll be back, and don't laugh too hard. |
| 06:41:16 | Insectoid | cough |
| 06:43:00 | T0mo | so is there a way to switch firmwares when your just with your ipod? |
| 06:43:19 | Nimdae | like boot the apple firmware instead of rockbox? |
| 06:43:45 | T0mo | yeah |
| 06:43:49 | Mouser_X | Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what T0mo wants. |
| 06:44:02 | Nimdae | if you have a recent bootloader, just boot with the hold switch on |
| 06:44:12 | T0mo | oh let me try that |
| 06:44:22 | Insectoid | gotthardt, I reran setup, specifying Unix text files, and still no g. |
| 06:44:22 | Nimdae | that's only for the ipod, btw |
| 06:44:26 | Insectoid | 'go.. |
| 06:44:32 | T0mo | i have an ipod vid |
| 06:44:36 | jba | hey gotthardt |
| 06:44:36 | Nimdae | on other devices, it will reset settings, heh |
| 06:44:44 | gotthardt | hey jba |
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| 06:45:34 | Nimdae | i guess i better send some kind of message to bagder to get kermit re-added to the build farm |
| 06:45:52 | T0mo | that boot with hold thing didnt work |
| 06:46:27 | Insectoid | t0mo, I just tried it. Power off by holding down play, tap menu to start boot, flip hold switch |
| 06:47:55 | Nimdae | if it resets settings, you have an older bootloader and will need to hold the menu button during boot until it says it's booting the apple firmware |
| 06:49:09 | T0mo | it worked once but im gonna try it again just in case |
| 06:49:50 | T0mo | it didnt work that time |
| 06:50:09 | T0mo | but it did that time |
| 06:50:16 | T0mo | haha this is retarded |
| 06:50:25 | Nimdae | works every time for me |
| 06:50:28 | Nimdae | but of course |
| 06:50:36 | Nimdae | i've nuked the apple firmware so all it does is repeatedly reboot |
| 06:51:26 | T0mo | it works like every other time |
| 06:52:45 | Insectoid | Anything on my Cygwin issue? |
| 06:53:03 | Nimdae | i avoid cygwin >.> |
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| 06:53:37 | Insectoid | I demand help I do ... Or something. Wow. This rockboxdev.sh runs very slow. Like very very super mega slow on this 400mhz machine. |
| 06:54:12 | Nimdae | heh |
| 06:54:22 | Nimdae | my build machine runs linux |
| 06:54:41 | Insectoid | I don't think it's actually a Cygwin issue this time, actually. |
| 06:54:48 | Insectoid | actually, you know, actually. |
| 06:55:57 | T0mo | now its working everytime so now i can switch between the two as much as i want! |
| 06:56:00 | * | Nimdae nukes his ipod drive by formatting it |
| 06:56:37 | Insectoid | I certainly certainly wish that the Ipod showed up under partition magic. |
| 06:56:44 | T0mo | hey thanks everyone for your help. the help really helped me a lot ;) |
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| 06:56:49 | T0mo | but i g2g now |
| 06:56:49 | Insectoid | No problem, man. |
| 06:56:56 | Nimdae | take care |
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| 06:57:00 | T0mo | later |
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| 06:57:05 | Nimdae | Insectoid: it doesn't? that's a shame |
| 06:57:24 | Nimdae | something tells me i should have picked a quick format |
| 06:58:09 | Insectoid | No no you should have used format. From the command line. And laughed and laughed at the silly menu-driven formatter. |
| 06:58:14 | Nimdae | it shows up in disk management in windows xp |
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| 06:58:40 | Insectoid | No it's certainly not there for partition magic 8 |
| 06:58:44 | Insectoid | Rude, you know. |
| 06:58:59 | Nimdae | Insectoid: actually, i should have hooked it up to my laptop running linux and used the vfat support there to format it ;) |
| 06:59:20 | Insectoid | Nimdae, naturally. |
| 06:59:48 | Nimdae | i have acronis disk director, i'll see if it shows up there |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:14 | Nimdae | of course, i don't have it installed yet since i reinstalled windows >.< |
| 07:00:26 | Insectoid | It doesn't show up under diskpart either |
| 07:00:30 | Insectoid | roar! |
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| 07:02:46 | Nimdae | well, this is no good |
| 07:02:54 | Nimdae | i can't find my acronis disk director installer |
| 07:03:04 | Nimdae | that's bad because i actually paid for it |
| 07:04:12 | Nimdae | found it! |
| 07:04:37 | Nimdae | backups are a great thing |
| 07:05:04 | Insectoid | good show |
| 07:05:51 | Nimdae | wow |
| 07:05:56 | Nimdae | found my colinux installer too |
| 07:06:02 | Nimdae | that makes me want to try running it again |
| 07:06:02 | Insectoid | colinux? |
| 07:06:13 | Nimdae | runs a linux kernel as a nt process |
| 07:06:19 | Insectoid | Nifty. |
| 07:06:23 | Nimdae | yarly |
| 07:06:32 | Insectoid | grml. Grml foor the win. |
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| 07:08:25 | Insectoid | It might perhaps almost be sort of halfway done. |
| 07:08:57 | Insectoid | Just to put my mind at ease, has anyone built the latest for Ipod video lately successfully? Is it really just me having issues? |
| 07:09:16 | Nimdae | let me try |
| 07:09:38 | Insectoid | Oh. Dear. |
| 07:09:55 | Mouser_X | In regards to my question about archive support in Rockbox, this is from the Wiki (here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Other_CODECs): "RSNs are simply RAR files which contain SPCs [which have a 90% average compression rate] named to RSN" |
| 07:10:08 | Mouser_X | This is why I'd like to see archive support. |
| 07:10:19 | Insectoid | /dev/hda1 3937220 3937160 0 100% / |
| 07:10:36 | Mouser_X | 90% compression ratio is pretty darn good, if you ask me. |
| 07:11:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:11:59 | Nimdae | yay kermit is back in the build thing |
| 07:12:03 | scorche | mahna mahna |
| 07:12:15 | Nimdae | haha |
| 07:13:28 | Mouser_X | Though, I should note that archive support is only useful when refering to emulated audio (and, even then, it doesn't benefit all formats too much. But for SPCs, it's great). |
| 07:15:18 | Nimdae | Insectoid: acronis is going to force me to reboot before using it so i'm not gonna mess with it for now |
| 07:15:37 | Nimdae | as for building the ipod version of rockbox, no errors so far |
| 07:15:59 | Insectoid | I love the speech for rockbox. It's truly grand. But has anyone put thought into porting a real text-to-speech synthesizer over? I'm thinking something like Flite might work. |
| 07:16:57 | Nimdae | rockbox built with no errors |
| 07:17:01 | Insectoid | Pffft of course |
| 07:17:13 | Nimdae | on latest svn checkout |
| 07:18:48 | Nimdae | i wonder if there's things i can do to speed up the build |
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| 07:28:55 | Nimdae | i got it down to 26 seconds |
| 07:28:56 | Nimdae | lol |
| 07:29:40 | Nimdae | ipod still formatting |
| 07:30:31 | | Part toffe |
| 07:32:10 | Mouser_X | I can't seem to find this. Is there a list of supported formats/file types/codecs/whatever for Rockbox? |
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| 07:32:26 | scorche | WhyRockbox |
| 07:32:35 | scorche | oe the feature list |
| 07:32:36 | scorche | or |
| 07:32:40 | Mouser_X | Ah, thanks. |
| 07:32:41 | scorche | which i think it links to |
| 07:32:48 | Mouser_X | I've been checking tons of links... |
| 07:32:53 | Mouser_X | Not those though. |
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| 07:37:27 | Mouser_X | It looks like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status is the closest thing to a list of codecs supported I can find. |
| 07:38:10 | scorche | there is the wikipedia page as well, but i do not know how complete it is |
| 07:38:52 | Mouser_X | I'd like it to be noted that ADX (which is supported) is only mentioned in the Wiki twice. Once, in the MajorChanges, and once in the CustomWPS. |
| 07:39:21 | Mouser_X | I would have thought (apparently incorrectly) that it would be mentioned elsewhere. |
| 07:39:31 | puetzk | Insectoid, flite still requires floating-point, though. |
| 07:39:52 | puetzk | though I think there has been some work on a fixed-point versions of the most critical routines |
| 07:40:06 | Mouser_X | I only point this out because I was searching for ADX, figuring that it'd lead me to some kind of list of supported formats. |
| 07:40:27 | Mouser_X | I do like the SoundCodecs page though. |
| 07:40:48 | Mouser_X | Though, I think it needs updating. |
| 07:40:54 | Mouser_X | *some updating. |
| 07:41:01 | scorche | as mnay wiki pages do |
| 07:41:05 | scorche | many |
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| 07:41:07 | Mouser_X | Very true. |
| 07:41:18 | Mouser_X | (In other words, good point.) |
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| 07:41:59 | Mouser_X | If I weren't paranoid, I'd sign up, and try to get Wiki write access, to update that page... |
| 07:42:12 | * | Mouser_X doesn't want to use his real name. |
| 07:42:39 | puetzk | so use MouserX :-) |
| 07:42:46 | Mouser_X | They'd remove it. |
| 07:42:53 | scorche | because that is against our guidelines |
| 07:42:57 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 07:43:00 | puetzk | scorche, good reason :-) |
| 07:43:30 | puetzk | that and the signup seems broken anyway (at least it didn't work last night when I tried) |
| 07:43:42 | scorche | it works just fine |
| 07:44:18 | puetzk | I hit edit, it says to hit cancel to register, and then I get taken to a page that just says "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration" |
| 07:44:47 | scorche | there is a register link from the main wiki page |
| 07:45:02 | puetzk | ah, so there is |
| 07:45:12 | puetzk | Ok, so the redirect if you cancel auth is broken :-) |
| 07:45:51 | scorche | good to know |
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| 07:48:04 | puetzk | Ok, the registration form worked, but when I use the code it emailed me it says "Invalid Activation Code" |
| 07:48:13 | puetzk | both the link and pasting it do the same |
| 07:48:54 | d47 | hey, i dont know if youve allready found this but rockboy on my gigabeat is running with <10 fps |
| 07:49:31 | d47 | it occured after installing the latest rockbox from svn |
| 07:49:37 | d47 | today |
| 07:50:06 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 07:50:21 | d47 | any1 else experiencing this? |
| 07:50:30 | Mouser_X | I don't have a Gigabeat yet. |
| 07:50:34 | Mouser_X | I will within a week though. |
| 07:50:41 | pearldiver | rockboy is fine here |
| 07:51:04 | pearldiver | just tried a few games half an hour ago |
| 07:51:13 | d47 | k |
| 07:51:15 | d47 | hmm ok ill rebuild and such |
| 07:51:18 | d47 | thx |
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| 07:52:55 | * | Mouser_X looks into the vmware image... |
| 07:53:17 | Mouser_X | I think I'll end up browsing the patches, and want something added... |
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| 07:55:12 | pearldiver | d47 can you recommend any games that playable on gigabeat controls wise? |
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| 07:55:40 | d47 | pearldriver: pokemon, starwars episode 1 racer |
| 07:55:45 | d47 | pearldriver: umm, sonic |
| 07:55:50 | d47 | pearldriver: mario |
| 07:55:58 | Mouser_X | Sonic? |
| 07:55:58 | Mouser_X | On the GBC? |
| 07:56:06 | Mouser_X | Never heard of that one... |
| 07:56:08 | d47 | pearldriver: heh yea |
| 07:56:23 | Mouser_X | (Was that at me?) |
| 07:56:37 | d47 | woops yes it was ^^ |
| 07:57:10 | d47 | pearldriver: final fantasy |
| 07:57:11 | Mouser_X | I kind of figured... |
| 07:57:28 | Mouser_X | Can the volume buttons be used in Rockboy? |
| 07:57:42 | d47 | no, you cant play music while playing rockboy |
| 07:57:43 | pearldiver | which pokemon though? :P |
| 07:57:46 | Mouser_X | If yes, I'd want to use them as select/start. |
| 07:58:07 | d47 | pearldriver: lol there all the same, i have red, blue, gold and yellow |
| 07:58:09 | pearldiver | volume buttons can be assign yes, the problem is that up/down cannot |
| 07:58:16 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:58:30 | Mouser_X | Well, in the simulator build, up/down work fine for me. |
| 07:59:32 | d47 | pearldiver: why when i look at you name i see pearld r iver?? im crazy =/ |
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| 08:00:01 | pearldiver | lol |
| 08:00:10 | Mouser_X | Actually, for Rockboy, the only issues I've run into, is lack of buttons (I don't have anything to assign start/select to), and no sound. Again, this is in the simulator. |
| 08:00:12 | pearldiver | well i dont have sonic |
| 08:00:18 | Mouser_X | Perhaps actual hardware is different. |
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| 08:01:12 | pearldiver | dont have final fantasy either i think |
| 08:01:19 | Mouser_X | pearldiver: So, in Rockboy on the TGB, up/down don't work at all? Or, do you just want to change them? |
| 08:01:42 | pearldiver | you cannot change them but they work in certain games |
| 08:01:52 | Mouser_X | Only in certain games, but not all? |
| 08:01:54 | pearldiver | you can assign any other buttons though |
| 08:02:06 | pearldiver | well in games that need those buttons, like tennis for example |
| 08:02:09 | Mouser_X | That seems weird that it wouldn't work in all games, if it works in one... |
| 08:02:29 | sekondchakra | I just got an iAudio X5L. Anyone familiar with how much battery time I'll get with Rockbox vs the iAudio firmware? |
| 08:02:44 | pearldiver | but in tony hawk for example they dont work for jump so the game is unplayable |
| 08:03:07 | * | Mouser_X will have to try some of these out to see what pearldiver means... |
| 08:03:17 | sekondchakra | (You could almost hear the power being sucked out of my iPod 1G under RB!) |
| 08:04:06 | d47 | power usage was high on the 5g too in my experience |
| 08:04:30 | d47 | but on the gigabeat it lasts quite long |
| 08:06:22 | pearldiver | just noticed another bug |
| 08:06:52 | Mouser_X | d47: Which Sonic? I'm seeing Sonic 3d Blast, and Sonic 7... |
| 08:07:01 | pearldiver | while usb plugged the backlight goes off and you it doesnt go back no matter what you press |
| 08:07:08 | Mouser_X | I guess I could try both... |
| 08:07:41 | d47 | i used 7 |
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| 08:09:36 | puetzk | sekondchakra, I can't really compare, I hardly used the OF on my X5. But battery life is quite good; from what I've seen on the forums it's supposedly pretty much the same as the OF |
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| 08:12:51 | Mouser_X | pearldiver: Which Tony Hawk? |
| 08:12:57 | Mouser_X | 1, 2, or 3? |
| 08:13:47 | pearldiver | 3 i think |
| 08:13:53 | Mouser_X | K. |
| 08:13:55 | pearldiver | i was just giving an example :P |
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| 08:14:18 | Mouser_X | I just to want to see what you're talking about. |
| 08:15:29 | pearldiver | like for example when you need your character to jump with UP and slash with MIDDLE |
| 08:15:43 | pearldiver | but jump is assigned to A automatically |
| 08:15:59 | pearldiver | and the game is unplayble from there |
| 08:16:00 | Mouser_X | Middle? |
| 08:16:06 | pearldiver | middle of the cross |
| 08:16:08 | d47 | center of cross |
| 08:16:16 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 08:17:32 | Mouser_X | Sonic 3D Blast 5 doesn't work in Rockboy... |
| 08:17:35 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 08:18:17 | Mouser_X | Sonic 7 looks wacked... |
| 08:18:33 | pearldiver | im playing prince of persia now |
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| 08:21:06 | d47 | ooo im gunno try prince of persia |
| 08:21:45 | pearldiver | kinda cool |
| 08:21:46 | pearldiver | :P |
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| 08:23:17 | Mouser_X | Suggestions for a PC GB emulator? The one I've been using (Rew) is pretty old... |
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| 08:24:39 | sekondchakra | puetzk that's very cool news...! If there's no significant difference, I gotta try RB again! (You prefered it over the OF?) |
| 08:24:59 | d47_ | yeh something has gone compley wrong on my gigabeat, not music player properly now, im going to install an older build |
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| 08:25:19 | d47_ | not even the music player is working properly now* |
| 08:25:56 | sekondchakra | Will RB utilize the mp3 tags? (the iAudio firmware doesn't) |
| 08:26:00 | pearldiver | oh this freaky version of space invaders is nice as well |
| 08:26:06 | puetzk | sekondchakra, it boots a lot faster, and it has a headphone crossfeed :-) |
| 08:27:11 | puetzk | sekondchakra, it can |
| 08:27:29 | Mouser_X3 | d47: Suggestions for a PC GB emulator? The one I've been using (Rew) is pretty old... |
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| 08:28:15 | d47_ | Mouser: oh my brother uses 1, ill go ask him |
| 08:28:27 | sekondchakra | "headphone crossfeed". Not sure what that is? |
| 08:28:51 | Mouser_X | Crossfeed emulates the effect that you get when you listen to music on speakers. |
| 08:29:06 | sekondchakra | reaaaaaaaaaaally?? |
| 08:29:14 | sekondchakra | Cooooool. |
| 08:29:18 | d47_ | Mouser: my brother uses TGB-dual |
| 08:29:31 | Mouser_X | Aka. your right ear hears the left speaker slightly later than it hears the right. |
| 08:29:33 | KCC | Mouser: http://www.zophar.net/Files/VisualBoyAdvance-1.7.2.zip |
| 08:29:38 | Mouser_X | And vice versa. |
| 08:30:05 | sekondchakra | And that makes things "sound" better? |
| 08:30:09 | Mouser_X | Headphones can't provide this effect, because the sound is isolated to that ear. |
| 08:30:26 | Mouser_X | I haven't been able to test for myself. |
| 08:30:44 | Mouser_X | However, I've heard from multiple people that you can hear the difference. |
| 08:31:04 | sekondchakra | So it *boots faster *sounds better *uses mp3 tags and *has almost as good battery life? |
| 08:31:21 | puetzk | sekondchakra, I've even seen a few claims that the battery life is better :-) |
| 08:31:31 | sekondchakra | (I'm gettin' a digital chubby here!) |
| 08:31:33 | sekondchakra | :-D |
| 08:31:33 | puetzk | but, that's not firsthand, because I basically never use the OF. |
| 08:31:49 | sekondchakra | What kind of battery life have you gotten? |
| 08:32:07 | sekondchakra | (Again, my only experience is, like, an HOUR on my iPod!) |
| 08:32:14 | sekondchakra | (unacceptable!) |
| 08:32:31 | puetzk | multiple days between charges, but I'm trying to guesstimate how many hours of actual use |
| 08:32:40 | puetzk | >10 I'd say, and it wasn't dead |
| 08:33:06 | d47_ | hmm yesterdays build works again, i thing a recent change has rooted something |
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| 08:33:14 | sekondchakra | as long as there's no danger of reducing the overall life of the battery.... |
| 08:33:20 | sekondchakra | (by using RB) |
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| 08:34:05 | eXPerience | does someone has good sites 4 wps? |
| 08:34:16 | sekondchakra | btw, does anyone know how to charge the X5L with the display OFF? |
| 08:34:25 | d47_ | do u know of rockbox-themes.org ? |
| 08:34:25 | pearldiver | d47 using the latest here, works like it should |
| 08:34:28 | puetzk | sekondchakra, just tap the power buton while charging |
| 08:34:34 | puetzk | and the display will shut off |
| 08:34:37 | pearldiver | d47 did you get the new bootloader? |
| 08:34:39 | eXPerience | no i don't thX |
| 08:34:57 | pearldiver | rockbox-themes.org is old yes |
| 08:35:11 | Mouser_X | eXPerience: There's also the wiki: |
| 08:35:12 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 08:35:29 | d47_ | pearl: oh is there a new bootloader? thatll be it =/ |
| 08:35:43 | pearldiver | d47 enjoy |
| 08:35:46 | pearldiver | :P |
| 08:35:46 | sekondchakra | dude you've been a lot of help! thanks so much! |
| 08:35:54 | sekondchakra | (all you dudes...) |
| 08:36:03 | Mouser_X | Glad to help. |
| 08:36:17 | eXPerience | i already checked up the wiki.... i wonder if you have any other sites |
| 08:36:29 | Mouser_X | just the rockbox-themes one. |
| 08:36:54 | eXPerience | ok tnx...... and do u know where i get plugins from? |
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| 08:37:13 | Mouser_X | Plugins come with Rockbox. |
| 08:37:34 | Mouser_X | If you want to add more features, you'll need to compile/build your own. |
| 08:37:40 | eXPerience | ok |
| 08:37:47 | Mouser_X | Meaning, download patches, and compile Rockbox. |
| 08:38:58 | pearldiver | hey new wps for gigabeat |
| 08:39:01 | pearldiver | gigamario |
| 08:39:03 | pearldiver | heh |
| 08:40:28 | Mouser_X | Oooh. |
| 08:40:32 | Mouser_X | I like it. |
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| 08:41:17 | d47_ | requested by who? |
| 08:41:18 | d47_ | heh |
| 08:41:28 | Mouser_X | Wasn't me. |
| 08:41:38 | Mouser_X | I didn't even know it existed... |
| 08:41:44 | d47_ | it says in the description of the theme |
| 08:41:50 | d47_ | (me) |
| 08:41:59 | Mouser_X | Oh, I didn't notice... |
| 08:42:08 | Mouser_X | D'oh... |
| 08:42:10 | pearldiver | it doesnt tell the next track |
| 08:42:12 | d47_ | lol |
| 08:42:24 | d47_ | what themes do u like? |
| 08:42:30 | pearldiver | Pixel |
| 08:42:37 | Mouser_X | I like Pixel. |
| 08:42:41 | Mouser_X | And the Mario one. |
| 08:42:43 | d47_ | heh fair enuf |
| 08:42:47 | Mouser_X | And, somewhat, Ajax. |
| 08:43:25 | d47_ | i think ajax is horible =/ |
| 08:43:30 | pearldiver | Pixel, BeatMP, EscapePod |
| 08:43:33 | pearldiver | rest is... |
| 08:43:59 | pearldiver | well there are some clean ones |
| 08:44:03 | Mouser_X | I only like Ajax for its simplicity, and large text. |
| 08:44:06 | pearldiver | like Tranquil v0.1 |
| 08:44:17 | pearldiver | but Ajax yes, going nowhere |
| 08:44:46 | d47_ | what do you think of lain and yellow print? i made those =D |
| 08:45:03 | Mouser_X | UGLY! |
| 08:45:13 | d47_ | even though i made yellow print i use it most of the time |
| 08:45:15 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 08:45:15 | Mouser_X | j/k |
| 08:45:15 | d47_ | lol =/ |
| 08:45:25 | Mouser_X | I haven't used Yellowprint. |
| 08:45:30 | Mouser_X | Seems nice enough though. |
| 08:45:39 | d47_ | tatu heh |
| 08:46:04 | pearldiver | yellow print wins over lain hands down |
| 08:46:28 | pearldiver | very 80s freaky concept |
| 08:46:48 | Mouser_X | I think I may make a Skies of Arcadia one... Chances are, I'll be the only one who uses it (pretty pictures over functionallity? Just this once..) |
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| 08:49:11 | Mouser_X | Heh... Tetris in Rockboy... |
| 08:49:18 | d47_ | lol |
| 08:49:39 | Mouser_X | (As opposed to Rockblox, of course.) |
| 08:50:08 | Mouser_X | In regards to Pong being in Rockbox, I think that Escape from Pong should be ported to it... |
| 08:50:22 | Mouser_X | (You play as the ball, and are trying to get past the paddles.) |
| 08:50:35 | Mouser_X | *ported to Rockbox as well. |
| 08:50:45 | d47_ | lol that sounds great |
| 08:50:57 | Mouser_X | It's a NES ROM. |
| 08:51:07 | Mouser_X | It was coded for a contest. |
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| 08:51:38 | d47_ | im gunna find it now =D |
| 08:52:32 | Mouser_X | v |
| 08:52:35 | Mouser_X | http://www.hcs64.com/efp.html |
| 08:52:38 | Mouser_X | There it is. |
| 08:52:44 | pearldiver | is duke nukem for gb any good? |
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| 08:53:17 | Mouser_X | pearldiver: I wouldn't have any clue. |
| 08:53:55 | pearldiver | space invaders and POP are my fave ones so far on gigabeat |
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| 08:55:46 | Mouser_X | Everybody? Well, this channel *is* busy... |
| 08:55:52 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 08:59:27 | d47_ | i cant find a nes emulator for linux =/ |
| 08:59:37 | tychver | znes |
| 08:59:43 | Mouser_X | There's online NES emulators... |
| 08:59:47 | d47_ | found some lol |
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| 09:00:13 | Mouser_X | Last time I looked, znes wasn't real/didn't exist. |
| 09:00:25 | Mouser_X | That was some time ago though. |
| 09:01:24 | puetzk | it's actually zsnes |
| 09:02:44 | Mouser_X | ZSNES exists, yes. Znes, however, doesn't. |
| 09:02:56 | Mouser_X | d47 asked for a NES emulator, not a SNES one. |
| 09:03:10 | puetzk | oops, indeed |
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| 09:06:00 | Mouser_X | I'd like to see a NES emulator on Rockbox... |
| 09:06:40 | Mouser_X | SNES emu would be nice too, but I'm sure that'd be pushing it pretty heavily for most of the currently available tragets. |
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| 09:13:27 | tychver | oops |
| 09:13:29 | tychver | sorry |
| 09:13:30 | tychver | typo |
| 09:16:14 | Mouser_X | ZSNES doesn't emulate NES games. |
| 09:16:54 | Mouser_X | Also, the only reason I'd even look for znes, is because many people had many typos, back when I read the ZSNES forums. |
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| 09:35:17 | sekondchakra | It WORKS!! :-D |
| 09:36:04 | sekondchakra | Boots in about (no lie) 8 seconds... |
| 09:36:46 | sekondchakra | And my beloved tags are back!! |
| 09:38:28 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
| 09:38:39 | Mouser_X | Glad it works for you. |
| 09:39:52 | sekondchakra | I keep reading about font packages...how do i know if I've got what I need? |
| 09:40:32 | brainiac_ghost | sekondchakra, did you download it |
| 09:40:38 | d47_ | check the .rockbox/fonts folder on your player and if theres fonts in there then your ok |
| 09:40:42 | brainiac_ghost | sekondchakra, there is only one, on the rockbox page |
| 09:41:23 | d47_ | otherwise download them from the daily build page and put them into that fonts folder |
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| 09:42:11 | sekondchakra | ah... I JUST found them on the daily build page... waaaaaay over there in the lower-right corner...! |
| 09:42:24 | d47_ | =) |
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| 09:43:36 | sekondchakra | It's a little steep on this part of the learning curve...but there's some really nice features on this thing! |
| 09:44:10 | sekondchakra | (Now how am I going to tear myself away from this thing and go to bed?!) |
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| 09:48:27 | amiconn | Slasheri: The H100 bootloader needs fixing as well |
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| 09:49:36 | Slasheri | ah, it still fails |
| 09:51:18 | sekondchakra | wow....Now I have, like, 60 fonts to choose from! |
| 09:51:19 | sekondchakra | :-D |
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| 09:55:02 | amiconn | On H100 rombox would gain a bigger percentage of ram than on H120 ... |
| 09:55:35 | sekondchakra | OK, gotta go to be now! |
| 09:55:39 | sekondchakra | bed |
| 09:55:45 | sekondchakra | thanks all...(again) |
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| 10:05:33 | brainiac_ghost | I want to make a build for jclix that works on a 5.5g (i have the vmware image) |
| 10:11:35 | lex | gee ot |
| 10:11:38 | lex | it's the gost |
| 10:11:44 | lex | gsgegs i'm not able to write ;( |
| 10:11:47 | lex | it's the ghost |
| 10:15:12 | brainiac_ghost | anyone know what patches i need for jclix (the only ones are from 2006, and they might not work with current SVN) |
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| 10:25:48 | lubiix908 | brainiac_ghost: |
| 10:26:19 | brainiac_ghost | yes lubiix908 |
| 10:26:21 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 01-custom_display_width-20060928.patch 28-Aug-2006 06:59 5.5K |
| 10:26:21 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 02-custom_list_position-20060930.patch 30-Sep-2006 06:46 13K |
| 10:26:21 | lubiix908 | [ ] 03-multifont-20060930.patch 30-Sep-2006 07:13 71K |
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| 10:26:21 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 04-multifont-userfonts-20060828.patch 12-Aug-2006 14:01 14K |
| 10:26:21 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 05-customline-20060930.patch 29-Sep-2006 17:31 14K |
| 10:26:24 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 08-bmp_resize_v0.99.6-MM.20060913.patch 28-Sep-2006 09:56 28K |
| 10:26:25 | lubiix908 | [TXT] 09-album_art_v5.1.1-MM_20060901.patch |
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| 10:26:41 | brainiac_ghost | OK |
| 10:26:44 | brainiac_ghost | lubiix908, thank you |
| 10:27:37 | lubiix908 | or i you use newer album art, you need not bmp resize, but then you must use bmp covers in proper size |
| 10:28:06 | brainiac_ghost | yeah |
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| 10:29:09 | lubiix908 | i tried to sync the patches too, but i haven't much time |
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| 11:20:13 | * | GodEater pokes Bagder |
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| 11:34:45 | JdGordon | evening all |
| 11:34:54 | GodEater | morning |
| 11:38:03 | SUSaiyan | almost afternoon! |
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| 12:01:33 | GodEater | great - you're here! |
| 12:01:40 | GodEater | did you see the logs from early this morning ? |
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| 12:08:52 | Bagder | got it |
| 12:08:58 | * | Bagder runs away again |
| 12:10:02 | GodEater | entirely up to you - but their big plus is bandwidth - so if there's anything *besides* a build server you'd like for them to supply - have a think! |
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| 12:13:19 | jba | hey gang |
| 12:13:30 | jba | another quiet saturday night |
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| 12:23:43 | Redbreva | Well it was a quiet Saturday morning, but now I have to go and take the wife into town... shopping :-( |
| 12:23:56 | sneakums | quiet sunday morning for me, now. |
| 12:24:02 | sneakums | although only for the last 23 minutes |
| 12:24:18 | Redbreva | heheh |
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| 12:25:20 | Insectoid | Oh dear where is this rockboxlogo.h of which it speaks? |
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| 12:33:03 | jba | nz eh? |
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| 12:58:56 | Bagder | GodEater: your server is now added to the "farm" |
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| 12:59:39 | linuxstb_ | Insectoid: rockboxlogo.h is generated by the build process from the appropriate logo bmp file for your device. |
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| 13:03:58 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Did you notice the build system strangeness last night? Slasheri's commit at 20:46 broke the X5 and H100 bootloaders, but the errors only showed up with the following commit/build. |
| 13:04:36 | Bagder | no I didn't, I guess I need to check that the 'svn up -r {date}' stuff works correctly |
| 13:05:06 | linuxstb_ | You don't update to a revision number? |
| 13:05:33 | Bagder | no I don't, but that's just because I am a stupid person |
| 13:05:40 | DataGhost | :) |
| 13:05:51 | Bagder | I'll of course do that soon |
| 13:06:30 | Mikachu | isn't NOW also a valid date spec? |
| 13:07:01 | Mikachu | but you don't want that, never mind |
| 13:07:19 | jba | Bagder, you revert to a revision |
| 13:07:29 | jba | that's the best way to stuff on a particular date |
| 13:07:30 | Bagder | yes, that's what we want |
| 13:07:39 | jba | svn revert 206 |
| 13:07:44 | jba | reverts to revision 206 |
| 13:07:46 | jba | and so on |
| 13:07:47 | Bagder | I just converted the cvs approach without thinking straight |
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| 13:09:15 | jba | svn revert |
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| 13:09:24 | jba | no number will revert to svn head on your working copy |
| 13:09:41 | jba | so svn up, then svn revert gets you up to date with the server |
| 13:09:45 | Bagder | that's not what we want though |
| 13:09:48 | Bagder | we want a specific rev |
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| 13:10:44 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, using a revision number enables us to decide what to do with multiple commits happening during a build round |
| 13:11:06 | Bagder | decide how? |
| 13:11:19 | amiconn | Do we want the old behaviour, i.e. the next build round will contain all changes committed during the current round, |
| 13:11:34 | amiconn | or do we want to build every single revision? |
| 13:11:52 | Bagder | ah |
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| 13:12:01 | Bagder | nah I think we can use the "round" concept still |
| 13:12:10 | Bagder | otherwise we could be lagging behind when people commit a lot |
| 13:12:25 | jba | off course if you never modify files in the working copy, just doing svn up is enough |
| 13:13:04 | amiconn | The former produces less load and makes the latest changes available earlier, but building every revision would make it easier to spot which commit caused errors/warnings |
| 13:13:17 | Bagder | true |
| 13:13:22 | linuxstb_ | I quite like the idea of building every revision by itself - I can't see us lagging behind that much though. |
| 13:13:24 | Mikachu | you could build the whole round, and if errors popped up, build each commit |
| 13:13:48 | linuxstb_ | When do we ever get 10 commits in an hour? |
| 13:14:12 | amiconn | Nah, I guess the round concept is good enough |
| 13:14:45 | Bagder | at least I'd like to keep it for now since I rather fix the other scripts first |
| 13:15:05 | jba | bagder what os are you using? |
| 13:15:09 | Bagder | but now it is family time for me, bbl |
| 13:15:19 | jba | the tortoise svn tool is really quite usefull in windows these days |
| 13:15:22 | jba | and quite powerful |
| 13:15:26 | Bagder | not for build servers |
| 13:15:36 | * | amiconn would like to know whether at least some of his suggested improvements are doable, and what effort is needed |
| 13:15:37 | Bagder | and I prefer command line tools for svn |
| 13:16:00 | jba | am talking about for in general |
| 13:16:06 | Bagder | amiconn: you mean like the speculative build? |
| 13:16:06 | jba | on build servers, just use svn |
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| 13:16:18 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes, speculative build, and uploads in the background |
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| 13:16:30 | Bagder | they're certainly doable |
| 13:16:36 | amiconn | I guess the latter is the easier one |
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| 13:16:50 | Bagder | but I gotta go now, back tonight |
| 13:16:54 | amiconn | Is the buildmaster script in svn? |
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| 13:27:39 | desowin | petur: precompiled win32 binary of QTScrobbler is out |
| 13:28:13 | petur | thanx, will check later |
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| 13:32:38 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thinking about the av3x0 port, I'm not sure how to handle the LCD driver and was wondering if you had any thoughts. The LCD is YCbCr based, not RGB, and I have the choice of either using a video plane for the main Rockbox LCD framebuffer, or a bitmap plane. The video plane stores data in 32-bit values for pairs of horizontal pixels, with one 8-bit Y value for each pixel, and shared 8-bit Cb and Cr v |
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| 13:33:19 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: ....shared 8-bit Cb and Cr values.The alternative is the bitmap planes with a maximum of 256 colours (with a YCbCr palette). |
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| 13:38:53 | bluebrother | petur, is there a reason HAVE_AGC isn't defined for the x5? |
| 13:39:09 | petur | no |
| 13:40:32 | bluebrother | so maybe someone who can test on a x5 should enable it ... |
| 13:42:15 | petur | it should work, no doubt about that |
| 13:42:30 | pixelma | I thought the X5 couldn't set recording level as precisely... though I'm not sure... |
| 13:42:49 | petur | ah... that would be a good reason |
| 13:43:00 | petur | let's ask jhMikeS |
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| 13:43:53 | bluebrother | I just told the reporter (FS #6534) how to enable it ... maybe he comes back and reports it not working as expected |
| 13:44:59 | bluebrother | I also don't see a reason for FS #6533, but that might be related to unprecise recording level setting. |
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| 14:42:48 | amiconn | bluebrother, petur: There is a reason why agc isn't enabled for X5, at least for mic in |
| 14:43:22 | amiconn | The TLV320 mic in doesn't allow for fine-grained gain control. Only two steps: 0dB and +20dB |
| 14:43:42 | petur | eh? |
| 14:43:47 | petur | 0 or +20 ? |
| 14:43:51 | amiconn | yup |
| 14:43:59 | petur | oh mic, not line-in |
| 14:44:37 | * | petur has a terrible fight with TomTom Home |
| 14:44:49 | petur | crap software it is |
| 14:44:55 | amiconn | Line in goes from -34.5dB to +12dB in 1.5dB steps |
| 14:45:15 | petur | so it would be usable for line-in |
| 14:45:43 | petur | but AGC makes no distinction between mic and line-in |
| 14:45:55 | amiconn | For X5 it needs to |
| 14:48:16 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Regarding AV3xx, pallette based bitmaps would require a new concept in rockbox |
| 14:49:07 | petur | oh no, not pallettes... |
| 14:49:30 | amiconn | A video plane wouldn't require this, but the shared chroma will probably look a bit strange, and it would require storing chroma for each pixel and mix on lcd update |
| 14:49:55 | amiconn | Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to update just one pixel in the framebuffer |
| 14:50:34 | amiconn | Setting lcd colours would require RGB->YCrCb conversion, but that shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:50:48 | amiconn | (with either method) |
| 14:51:24 | amiconn | Native bitmaps should be in framebuffer format as usual |
| 14:51:51 | amiconn | The video data format makes life way easier for the jpeg viewer and mepgplayer |
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| 15:26:26 | Soap | JdGordon: in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform , http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/colinux.xml is a dead link. |
| 15:26:48 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 15:27:59 | JdGordon | hmm.. yeah that file was deleted at some point |
| 15:30:21 | JdGordon | link removed |
| 15:30:35 | Soap | should I name my file colinux.xml or default.colinux.xml (as comes with colinux) |
| 15:30:37 | Soap | ? |
| 15:32:04 | JdGordon | umm... i dont tihnk it matters, the 2nd if you dont want to explicitly tell the colinux exe which xml to use |
| 15:32:07 | JdGordon | I thiunk... |
| 15:34:11 | Soap | Ok, thanks - I got it working - lordy this boots 10 times faster than the vmware image. |
| 15:35:22 | JdGordon | compile shold be faster also |
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| 15:39:20 | roolku | JdGordon: Hi! Any thought about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg63323#msg63323 ? |
| 15:41:29 | Soap | ahh poop - networking doesn't seem to be set up in the colinux image. |
| 15:41:32 | JdGordon | nop, im baffled by that bug |
| 15:41:59 | roolku | *sniff* |
| 15:42:58 | roolku | JdGordon: can you think of any side effects of removing button_clear_queue(); in plugin_load(); ? |
| 15:43:39 | roolku | it seems to improve the situation a little |
| 15:43:51 | JdGordon | well, without it you could have "phantom" pressses |
| 15:44:12 | JdGordon | I mean, once it goes back t the file tree it could think the off button was pressed, so you go up a level |
| 15:45:07 | roolku | Hm, I'll keep an eye out for those... |
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| 15:51:22 | Soap | JdGordon: quick (stupid) question - how do I connect to my colinux over the network? I have ICS set up, so colinux itself can see the internet. |
| 15:51:59 | JdGordon | Soap: can you ping it? if you went the default settings its 192.168.0.40. |
| 15:52:15 | JdGordon | if you can, then ssh in |
| 15:52:22 | Soap | yea, I can ping it. |
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| 15:53:12 | * | Soap looks to install ssh for windows |
| 15:53:23 | JdGordon | grab putty |
| 15:53:29 | JdGordon | you only need the ssh cient |
| 15:56:00 | p0ser | heys guys, is there a simple way to determine which codec drains less baterry life? I don't really need to use mp3, so if any other codec offers longer playback, i'd like to use that. |
| 15:56:22 | JdGordon | there is a comparisson on the wiki |
| 15:56:29 | JdGordon | its for ipods tho... |
| 15:56:30 | Nico_P | mpc playback is very efficient i think |
| 15:56:51 | Nico_P | p0ser: what player do you have ? |
| 15:56:56 | p0ser | the only comparison I found was a feature comparison between original and rockboxed players |
| 15:57:03 | p0ser | Nico_P: iRiver H10 |
| 15:57:09 | p0ser | 20 GB MTP |
| 15:57:15 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 15:57:44 | p0ser | thank you so much :D |
| 15:57:50 | p0ser | gonna read it, brb |
| 15:57:51 | Nico_P | well actually that's not really relevant |
| 15:58:10 | Soap | putty connects like a champ - now Soap needs to learn how to use it to transfer files to WindowsLand. |
| 15:58:10 | p0ser | why not? |
| 15:58:28 | Nico_P | it's for coldfire targets |
| 15:58:51 | Nico_P | but i still think MPC is one of the most efficient decoders in rockbox |
| 15:59:29 | p0ser | i heard wavpack was one of the best for my target, but i have no proof whatsoever |
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| 15:59:53 | Nico_P | wavpack is lossless, that's different, but yes, it's very efficient too |
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| 16:00:30 | p0ser | yeah, but i have lots of wavpack files |
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| 16:00:52 | Soap | JdGordon: Tell me to suck on a lemon if I am bugging you - but I am getting "....(28 No space left on device)" erros when doing apt-get update on the colinux install. I followed the wiki instructions about enlarging the root fs to 1.2 gigs, am logged in as rbdev, and running apt-get through su. |
| 16:00:55 | p0ser | i was considering transcoding to lossy if the offer a better battery life |
| 16:01:12 | p0ser | if not... well... i won't even transcode |
| 16:01:43 | Nico_P | p0ser: with lossless codecs he disk is accessed more often |
| 16:02:19 | PaulJam | for battery life an efficient losy codec would be propably better, because it spins the disk less often |
| 16:02:37 | p0ser | oh, i see... |
| 16:02:42 | p0ser | would you recommend mpc, then? |
| 16:03:25 | Soap | mpc is very efficient on rockbox, but if you can't ABX mp3 -v5, that shouldn't boost either. |
| 16:04:02 | bluebrother | afaik ogg is working better on PP targets |
| 16:04:02 | p0ser | lol |
| 16:04:05 | p0ser | i definatelly can't |
| 16:04:34 | bluebrother | you can simply make up a comparison yourself ... play a file and go to the audio thread screen. |
| 16:04:45 | bluebrother | have a look at the boost ratio |
| 16:04:58 | bluebrother | and make sure nothing else is running that may affect the boosting |
| 16:05:17 | p0ser | bluebrother, that'd be in Debug (Keep out!) ? |
| 16:05:25 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 16:05:33 | p0ser | ok, thanks |
| 16:05:39 | bluebrother | the boost ratio is an average, so give it some time |
| 16:05:59 | bluebrother | and when comparing make sure the disk is accessed about equally |
| 16:06:22 | p0ser | accessed equally? what do you mean? |
| 16:06:24 | bluebrother | e.g. use one file and set playback to repeat one so it doesn't need to use the disk. |
| 16:06:34 | p0ser | ah |
| 16:06:37 | bluebrother | or play a complete album and repeat that |
| 16:07:02 | bluebrother | I'm not sure about PP targets, but Coldfire boosts the cpu upon buffering. I guess PP does this too |
| 16:07:37 | PaulJam | doesn't rockbox always rebuffer? even if setting repeat to one song? |
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| 16:10:27 | bluebrother | not sure, haven't tried that |
| 16:10:53 | bluebrother | but even if it did, the rebuffering needed will always be the same, so it's kind of comparable |
| 16:11:46 | bluebrother | I only looked at the screen for like 10 minutes sometimes, and unless the buffer was empty it was at least clearly to distinguish which codec is working best in my case |
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| 16:19:03 | Mikachu | just press the Watch this task |
| 16:19:05 | Mikachu | button |
| 16:19:43 | desowin | oh, haven't noticed it |
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| 16:19:49 | desowin | thanks |
| 16:20:12 | * | petur just used qtscrobbler |
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| 16:29:31 | Soap | I don't know if it is me or the eight shots of espresso, but colinux is kicking butt. |
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| 16:35:29 | roolku | petur: I have the occasional error with qtscrobbler which doesn't happen when I press submit again. And it copes better with UTF-8. But I would still prefer a command line program that I just double click and it submits automatically |
| 16:36:14 | petur | it worked quite ok, just a bit big (2MB) for what it needs to do ;) |
| 16:36:41 | p0ser | cya guys, thanks the help |
| 16:36:49 | petur | it's faster than that .net program on MR |
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| 16:44:33 | roolku | petur: yes I agree |
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| 17:04:43 | desowin | petur: it's big because it's linked statically to Qt libraries |
| 17:05:02 | desowin | my main goal was to make such tool for open-source platforms |
| 17:05:14 | desowin | windows had already bunch of such things |
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| 17:06:28 | desowin | petur: here on my Gentoo box, the binary is 126kb |
| 17:06:39 | petur | yeah yeah... |
| 17:07:01 | petur | can't it be build dynamically linked (I assume it's static now) |
| 17:07:07 | petur | qt that is |
| 17:07:20 | desowin | it can, but libraries itself are about 5mb |
| 17:07:27 | petur | yuck |
| 17:07:35 | desowin | and I'm not sure if 'normal users' have them on windows |
| 17:07:44 | petur | they don't |
| 17:07:53 | petur | but I assumed they would have been smaller |
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| 17:09:05 | desowin | btw. petur, roolku please join http://www.lastfm.pl/group/QTScrobbler ;-) |
| 17:09:33 | bluebrother | how about making qtscrobbler accept command line commands and work without a gui in that case? |
| 17:09:58 | petur | hehe members: 1 |
| 17:10:20 | desowin | bluebrother: there's perl script for command line |
| 17:10:24 | petur | I'm in... |
| 17:10:49 | desowin | bluebrother: and qt stands for GUI ;-) |
| 17:10:58 | bluebrother | sure, but qtscrobbler could be used with or without command line, and a static binary could do this on windows as well |
| 17:11:14 | bluebrother | whereas most windows users won't be able running a perl script :) |
| 17:11:31 | desowin | ok, so how would you like it act ? |
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| 17:14:53 | w1ll14m | Is a different version of rockbox required to run an ipod5g (60GB) because 60 gb ipods have 64Mb ram |
| 17:14:54 | roolku | desowin: but then I need to install perl - I really want something I can carry around with me on my dap, plug it into a pc, and doubleclick |
| 17:14:54 | desowin | petur: do you experience 'first-track-not-in-.scrobbler.log' bug ? |
| 17:15:22 | bluebrother | my idea was that you can start it with some options, like −−submit <file> and it uses saved username / password data, or −−submit <file> −−user <username> −−password <password> |
| 17:15:40 | bluebrother | if no password specified it could ask either on the command line or graphically |
| 17:15:45 | desowin | ok, when I'll have free time it'll be done |
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| 17:15:54 | webguest01 | Hello there! |
| 17:16:01 | roolku | desowin: great :) |
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| 17:16:18 | bluebrother | so one could make a cmd script, put that on the player and simply needs to click the cmd and enter the password in the box that appears. |
| 17:16:29 | bluebrother | or even add a −−nogui switch :) |
| 17:16:35 | webguest01 | I have a little question and I hope you can help me. |
| 17:16:51 | * | bluebrother awaits the question |
| 17:17:30 | webguest01 | do you know how I can dissassemble an iriver H10 20gb in order to replace the battery? |
| 17:18:36 | webguest01 | well there are 4 screws visible, i unscrewed them but the back was tightly clipped on. |
| 17:19:13 | w1ll14m | webguest01: sometimes screws are hidden .... |
| 17:19:15 | * | bluebrother doesn't know the answer |
| 17:19:33 | w1ll14m | webguest01: if not, i don't know how to :) i'am an ipod owner.... |
| 17:19:40 | webguest01 | this particular device has no hidden screws. i scrutinised it |
| 17:19:42 | desowin | bluebrother: how would you like to distinguish itunesdb commandline from .scrobbler.log one ? you know, qtscrobbler supprts both .scrobbler.log and iTunesDB, as I've iPod |
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| 17:19:46 | bluebrother | maybe there are plastic clips inside ... the h100 lcd remote for example has some |
| 17:20:26 | bluebrother | desowin, for example default to scrobbler.log, and add a switch for itunes. Or the other way round. |
| 17:20:39 | bluebrother | or just look at the file type (if that's feasible) ;-) |
| 17:20:39 | w1ll14m | bluebrother speaking of remote's i was taking a look for ipod lcd remotes but is there a chance to get them working on rockboxed ipod ? |
| 17:20:43 | webguest01 | well, is it worth replacing the battery with one of higher mAh value? does that require another charger? |
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| 17:21:20 | PaulJam | maybe you can find a gide how to open it in the misticriver.net forums |
| 17:21:21 | bluebrother | w1ll14m, currently not. It's this generic-ipod-accessories thing and I don't know of any one starting to work at it. |
| 17:21:25 | w1ll14m | webguesto01: probably not |
| 17:21:46 | bluebrother | I replaced the battery on my h120, no problems, no other mods needed. |
| 17:22:00 | bluebrother | while this might be different for the h10 I don't think so. |
| 17:22:15 | w1ll14m | bluebrother: how difficould would it be to create a patch my self? (i think very difficould:|) |
| 17:22:54 | Soap | w1ll14m: a different build is not required for the 60GB ipod 5th gens. |
| 17:23:04 | bluebrother | afaik the accessories are accessed by some serial connection, and the low level stuff hasn't been done yet |
| 17:23:12 | w1ll14m | Soap: ok, thanx :) |
| 17:23:14 | Soap | w1ll14m: but you will only be using 32 megs of the buffer. |
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| 17:23:42 | bluebrother | so it would be quite some work. Additionally, you'd need to figure out the protocol used. No idea if ipl has some results on that |
| 17:23:42 | w1ll14m | Soap: damn, is there a patch or mod to use 64 mb? |
| 17:23:43 | Soap | give me an hour and I'll have the latest source patched for 64 megs anyhoo. |
| 17:24:00 | w1ll14m | bluebrother: hmm ll google a bit :) |
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| 17:24:19 | bluebrother | but if ipl has done some work it'll most probably get a lot easier |
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| 17:24:57 | w1ll14m | soap: isn't there a patch? |
| 17:25:10 | w1ll14m | bluebrother: 'll vhevk :) |
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| 17:25:23 | w1ll14m | check* |
| 17:26:16 | Soap | w1ll14m: there is a patch |
| 17:26:28 | Soap | w1ll14m: I just patched my source |
| 17:26:43 | Soap | w1ll14m: but it takes this old-bag-of-bones computer a while to compile. |
| 17:26:56 | Soap | assuming it goes well, I'll DCC you a copy if you wish. |
| 17:26:57 | w1ll14m | ahh k :) |
| 17:27:38 | w1ll14m | Soap: i'm using different patches |
| 17:28:01 | w1ll14m | Soap: could you pm me for some code |
| 17:28:05 | Soap | oh, well, the patch at the bottom of the tracker installs cleanly. |
| 17:28:18 | w1ll14m | ok 'll search tracker :) thanx ;) |
| 17:28:42 | Soap | #5472 |
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| 17:30:22 | w1ll14m | Soap: Which comment was th patch you've downlaoded ?, i don't want to pick the wrong one ... |
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| 17:34:23 | Soap | w1ll14m: select_ipod_memory_2_(senab_sync).patch |
| 17:34:32 | w1ll14m | Soap: thanx :) |
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| 17:39:13 | perldiver | gigabeat target, svn build doesnt load, hangs at loading screen after "rockbox loaded" |
| 17:39:18 | perldiver | daily build works though |
| 17:40:06 | fasmaie | perldiver: Did you try the new FWIMG file? |
| 17:40:14 | perldiver | sure |
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| 17:40:20 | fasmaie | Hmmm |
| 17:40:25 | perldiver | all that with the new bootloader |
| 17:40:39 | fasmaie | Yesterday's (12 h ago) SVN build worked for me |
| 17:40:47 | perldiver | for me as well |
| 17:41:07 | perldiver | but get the latest one if you can and test |
| 17:41:26 | fasmaie | Ok |
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| 17:45:17 | fasmaie | perldiver: same here |
| 17:45:42 | perldiver | hangs? |
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| 17:46:10 | fasmaie | yes |
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| 17:49:09 | linuxstb_ | What do people think about committing that patch for the 64MB ipod video to svn and starting to produce separate 32MB/64MB builds? It seems unlikely that anyone will be doing the work to do runtime detection. |
| 17:51:30 | * | Soap never understood why one needed to wait for the other - runtime detection and the remapping of memory is a worthy goal, but Soap never saw how waiting for that goal before adding the build option helped. |
| 17:51:51 | Soap | then again - Soap doesn't see as clearly as the developers. |
| 17:52:09 | linuxstb_ | Runtime detection means a single build. |
| 17:52:10 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 17:52:23 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: that would Rock!!! |
| 17:52:30 | linuxstb_ | The patch implements compile-time detection - i.e. two builds. |
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| 17:52:59 | Redbreva | Pesonally, I think it would be great |
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| 17:53:19 | Soap | linuxstb_: I grok that |
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| 17:54:00 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I think compile-time differences are fine, since we do it for Archos anyway, now that we'll have a second 64mb one once the 80gb finally gets done anyway |
| 17:54:13 | Llorean | You'd just have video-30 and video-60+ |
| 17:54:50 | dan_a | It makes sense to me. |
| 17:55:28 | Llorean | As linuxstb said, it can always be consolidated to a single build in the future. |
| 17:56:02 | Llorean | If you can do it with Runtime "Detection" couldn't you make it a user option in the menu? |
| 17:57:09 | w1ll14m | Llorean: Don't we need a error handler when making menu option for ipod memory ? |
| 17:57:16 | Soap | I thought the problem was that the audio buffer isn't at the end of memory - so you would have a split audio buffer (with runtime detection) until memory layout is changed. Or am I missing your question Llorean? |
| 17:57:51 | Llorean | Soap: Well, there are two issue: Detection, and what to do once it can be detected. I don't believe either has been solved |
| 17:58:04 | Llorean | I may be mistaken |
| 17:58:22 | linuxstb_ | The problem with runtime detection is that plugins and codecs are compiled to execute from fixed addresses at the end of RAM. |
| 17:58:39 | linuxstb_ | Which can't be done if the end of RAM is a variable... |
| 17:59:08 | Slasheri | yet another reason for a malloc.. :) |
| 17:59:19 | * | linuxstb_ slaps Slasheri |
| 17:59:36 | Llorean | Why aren't plugins compiled to link at the beginning of memory not directly used by Rockbox anyway? |
| 17:59:52 | Llorean | I mean, plugins would not work across versions of Rockbox, but how badly does that need to be preserved? |
| 17:59:58 | linuxstb_ | Because that's a variable as well - Rockbox changes size with every build. |
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| 18:00:19 | Llorean | linuxstb_: And the plugins get linked, every build. |
| 18:01:41 | linuxstb_ | A solution that kept portability of plugins between builds would be to put the plugins and codecs at the very start of RAM, followed by Rockbox. |
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| 18:01:53 | * | preglow wants elf plugins! |
| 18:01:57 | Llorean | That does maintain static addresses. |
| 18:02:05 | dan_a | I may be being very stupid/naive here, but at a guess we know how the mmap registers work, so couldn't we put plugins and codecs at a separate fixed address? |
| 18:02:27 | preglow | dan_a: not all platforms do that |
| 18:02:37 | linuxstb_ | It's not a problem on all platforms... |
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| 18:03:17 | preglow | would be a bit sucky if they behaved differently on different daps, though |
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| 18:07:13 | preglow | didn't amiconn have some good points on why not to put plugins at the start of memory, though? |
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| 18:07:59 | dan_a | How much of a problem is mmapping the plugin ram likely to be in reality? Wouldn't it just mean a different definition in plugin.lds for the start of memory on PP targets and a change in crt0-pp.S |
| 18:08:07 | linuxstb_ | I don't remember him objecting. |
| 18:08:43 | webguest98 | Good morning all i have a quick question for anyone who can answer it. I just through rockbox on my gigabeat F40 and was wondering if i can set the shuffle to do the entire library and not just the current folder |
| 18:08:51 | webguest98 | threw* |
| 18:09:01 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: btw, just wondering if you know if pwm fading is the only way to set backlight brightness on ipod 5.5g? |
| 18:09:20 | preglow | probably not |
| 18:09:32 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: I don't have a problem with your idea. |
| 18:09:32 | lex | why there aren't a option to change the brightness of the backlight on 5.5G, or am i wrong? |
| 18:09:38 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: I've no idea. |
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| 18:10:06 | linuxstb_ | lex: Because no-one has investigated how to do it. |
| 18:10:07 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: looking at the bootloader source, it looks there might be a better way to do that |
| 18:10:11 | lex | :o |
| 18:10:16 | lex | but fading still works so... |
| 18:10:32 | Slasheri | lex: doing the control with fading, consumes more cpu |
| 18:10:39 | lex | hmm |
| 18:10:40 | Slasheri | or maybe just little more |
| 18:10:42 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: I think preglow did the fading on the Nano/5g. I know nothing about backlights. |
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| 18:11:10 | Slasheri | but indeed, brightness control would be useful. 5.5G screen is too bright on the full brightness |
| 18:11:13 | webguest98 | so is there a yes/no on the entire library shuffle |
| 18:12:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: there is also a patch in the tracker to do the brightness control with fading |
| 18:12:28 | linuxstb_ | webguest98: There is no single menu option. I think there are three ways - 1) Use the Database; 2) Create a root playlist, and play that in shuffle mode; 3) (if all your music is under a single top-level folder) enable "insert recursively", and then insert that folder into the playlist with shuffle enabled. |
| 18:12:59 | linuxstb_ | (I assume the database gives you a view containing all tracks, that you can then shuffle) |
| 18:13:13 | webguest98 | sweet thanks |
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| 18:19:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: i will try optimize the 5.5G GUI performance soon, especially the scrolling |
| 18:20:23 | preglow | linuxstb_: i just rewrote the code already there to work on all platforms |
| 18:20:51 | preglow | i only enabled it for nano/5g because i have no idea how prooper backlighting fading works |
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| 18:23:07 | Slasheri | btw, is there any reference anywhere about the cpu memory map, for example all those I/O port addresses etc.? |
| 18:23:34 | preglow | well, it's all secret, so no... |
| 18:23:42 | preglow | ipodlinux.org has a small doc |
| 18:24:01 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 18:24:18 | preglow | but i can't reach that site now, apparently |
| 18:24:43 | Slasheri | a plugin to write to arbitary memory locations the user defined value might be nice to.. Even better if it could be controlled directly from pc :) |
| 18:24:55 | preglow | heh |
| 18:25:40 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Have you looked at how the Apple firmware handles the scrollwheel? |
| 18:26:02 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: yes, i have quickly tried that. But i don't think it handles it well either |
| 18:26:29 | linuxstb_ | From what I remember, it accelerates to skip 2, 4 or 8 items at a time in the list. I thought it worked well... |
| 18:26:48 | Slasheri | especially when moving finger very slowly, it should not change to menu items barely at all |
| 18:27:13 | linuxstb_ | But I think the main problem is that Rockbox does too much redrawing. |
| 18:27:15 | Slasheri | ah, i haven't tried long lists because i couldn't get the apple fw to recognize anything on ipod |
| 18:27:30 | Slasheri | yes. I think at least paged scrolling should be the default |
| 18:27:42 | Slasheri | and not redraw whole screen everytime (i will try to fix that) |
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| 18:28:26 | preglow | i think retailos deals with long lists very well |
| 18:28:35 | preglow | and yes, the amount of redrawing rockbox does it definitely not good |
| 18:29:18 | preglow | Slasheri: how will you deal with not redrawing the entire screen? i think backdrops makes that a bit difficult to handle |
| 18:29:56 | Slasheri | preglow: when moving the scrollbar just one item at a time, there shouldn't be need to redraw everything |
| 18:30:01 | Slasheri | just the two lines at once |
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| 18:30:13 | * | linuxstb_ is looking forward to working with the av3xx - hardware backdrops, and a hardware cursor... |
| 18:30:25 | linuxstb_ | (and hardware blending...) |
| 18:30:31 | webguest05 | hi, how can i play half lifeon my ipod? ive seen a video of it done on youtube with rockbox |
| 18:30:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hehe :) |
| 18:30:58 | preglow | webguest05: probably a doom mod |
| 18:31:13 | webguest05 | ne way that i can get it? |
| 18:31:27 | linuxstb_ | Ask google for a Doom half-life mod. |
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| 18:31:33 | webguest05 | good plan XD |
| 18:31:41 | Slasheri | i think the scrolling could work something like it's accelerating when user moves the feel faster, and when user slows down, also scrolling speed starts to drop |
| 18:32:28 | linuxstb_ | I think we should also boost the CPU when the UI is active on the 5g. |
| 18:32:37 | Slasheri | i have already done that |
| 18:32:42 | linuxstb_ | In SVN? |
| 18:32:48 | Slasheri | nope, just testing locally |
| 18:32:59 | Slasheri | if there is queued button events, cpu gets boosted |
| 18:34:17 | Soap | may I ask a really stupid question? |
| 18:34:28 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 18:34:32 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 18:35:33 | Soap | I wanted to play with stripping out everything I personally don't use from rockbox in an attempt to increase audio buffer an insane 2-4% |
| 18:36:09 | Slasheri | Soap: that doesn't sound like there is any benefit to do that |
| 18:36:22 | Soap | not even for fun? |
| 18:36:23 | Slasheri | in fact bigger buffer could only do things worse |
| 18:36:39 | linuxstb_ | Huh? |
| 18:36:43 | Slasheri | for example skipping often, causes a lot of unnecessary rebuffering |
| 18:36:52 | Slasheri | and uses more power than with smaller buffer |
| 18:36:59 | Soap | you are presuming my usage patterns. |
| 18:37:05 | Slasheri | :) |
| 18:38:21 | Soap | question #1 being - where should I start if I want to not build database support? Question #2 being - if I remove support for unused codecs will I save any memory at all? Question #3 being - what else might I strip? |
| 18:38:30 | linuxstb_ | You could reduce the plugin buffer size if you don't want the larger plugins. Similarly with the codec buffer size. |
| 18:38:37 | Slasheri | Soap: there is an option HAVE_TAGCACHE |
| 18:38:49 | Slasheri | 2) no, not at all |
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| 18:39:44 | Slasheri | Soap: but removing database affects memory consumption so little, you can't notice it in any way |
| 18:39:44 | Soap | can I reduce the plugin buffer to 0 if I don't plan on running plugins? |
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| 18:40:09 | linuxstb_ | I think some of the core code uses the plugin buffer for temporary storage. But I'm not sure exactly what. |
| 18:40:31 | linuxstb_ | But reducing it to 32KB (same size as the Archos targets) should work. |
| 18:41:44 | Soap | and is reducing the codec buffer to the size of the largest codec I use safe, or do I need to make the codec buffer large enough for all codecs used by files in the audio buffer? |
| 18:42:08 | Slasheri | Soap: if you would like to increase audio buffer by 2% for example, you can't do that much by removing any code from rockbox |
| 18:42:24 | Slasheri | Soap: the best bet is to disable dircache, tagcache etc. |
| 18:43:14 | linuxstb_ | Soap: Do you use backdrops? |
| 18:43:22 | Slasheri | and don't use crossfade |
| 18:43:34 | Slasheri | it eats memory a lot |
| 18:43:38 | linuxstb_ | There are two backdrop buffers which you could claim back... |
| 18:44:02 | Soap | Slasheri: I'm well aware no one trim will free 2% - that is just my final goal - but you have to add up all the little gains. |
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| 18:44:31 | Soap | hmm, I do use crossfade when I shuffle - I'll have to see how much that is costing me. |
| 18:44:51 | Soap | backdrops is a good idea. |
| 18:44:55 | Slasheri | Soap: that can cost several percents of the buffer depending on the fade out duration setting |
| 18:44:58 | Soap | removal of, that is. |
| 18:46:17 | perldiver | crossfade delay settings are confusing |
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| 18:47:19 | Soap | voice? I assume that is eating from the memory buffet regardless of being "on" or not? |
| 18:47:44 | Slasheri | Soap: 1s of crossfade costs about 0.5% |
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| 18:52:27 | icu | Slasheri, hi, i finally got my h140 flashed, after doing a rolo first before using iriver_flash, works fine, |
| 18:54:18 | icu | with your new bootloader |
| 18:54:53 | Slasheri | icu: great :) |
| 18:55:34 | Slasheri | oh!! |
| 18:55:48 | Slasheri | i found the HW backlight brightness on ipod 5.5G =) |
| 18:55:57 | Slasheri | +control address |
| 18:56:05 | linuxstb_ | Nice... Where did you find that? |
| 18:56:17 | Slasheri | i just started writing random data to random memory locations :D |
| 18:56:22 | Slasheri | and print that data on screen |
| 18:56:29 | linuxstb_ | Good approach. |
| 18:56:48 | Slasheri | now backlight is dimmer with ipod crashed :) |
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| 18:57:03 | icu | Slasheri: I am trying to ROM it, but am not sure i'm doing it right, do i just select rombox, or is there something else i need to do |
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| 18:57:51 | Slasheri | icu: you need to hold down select on rombox.iriver |
| 18:57:55 | Slasheri | and then use the iriver_flash plugion |
| 18:57:57 | Slasheri | -o |
| 18:58:08 | icu | k |
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| 19:01:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: it seems to be 0x6000002e |
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| 19:02:49 | nevermind | hello |
| 19:02:50 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: maybe i will disable the pwm fading and commit a HW fading :) |
| 19:02:50 | icu | wow boot is incredibly quick now, with 37gigs of music, 2sec's |
| 19:02:55 | nevermind | quick simple question |
| 19:03:04 | nevermind | is there an autoinstaller for ipod?? |
| 19:03:27 | nevermind | Anyone knows:)? |
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| 19:04:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: ah, 0x0x6000002c |
| 19:04:20 | fasmaie | nevermind: None that are supported here |
| 19:04:40 | nevermind | so i must follow the installation in the guide? |
| 19:05:06 | fasmaie | nevermind: yes.....use the old procedure if you have a 4G iPod |
| 19:05:15 | nevermind | got 5g |
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| 19:05:30 | fasmaie | nevermind: then use the procedure on the iPod page |
| 19:05:39 | Soap | dan_a: How do you want FS #6528 tested? Or do you want it tested? |
| 19:05:43 | linuxstb_ | nevermind: Do you have IPL installed? |
| 19:05:55 | nevermind | u mean the one in the manual? |
| 19:06:05 | nevermind | ipl is ipodlinux? |
| 19:06:11 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 19:06:16 | nevermind | yes |
| 19:07:06 | fasmaie | nevermind: if you have IPL, you should use the instructions they have on their site to triple boot |
| 19:07:10 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm.. or do you think we should still use the pwm fading and use that HW brightness control to just limit lcd brightness? |
| 19:07:12 | dan_a | Soap: Check what the boost ratio is with and without it while playing MP3s |
| 19:07:18 | Slasheri | would be easiest to implement like that |
| 19:07:24 | dan_a | And thank you for testing :D |
| 19:07:27 | Soap | dan_a: not to be dumb - but where do I check that? |
| 19:07:50 | nevermind | actually i don't need the IPL |
| 19:07:51 | Slasheri | and with very low brightness, lcd could be always on |
| 19:07:57 | dan_a | Soap: Info -> Debug -> Audio Thread IIRC |
| 19:08:02 | nevermind | so i don't mind if it will only boot rockbox |
| 19:08:03 | Soap | thanks |
| 19:08:13 | Soap | I'll test in a llittle bit here. |
| 19:08:16 | fasmaie | Well then...the info on the iPodInstallationBeta page is for you |
| 19:08:20 | linuxstb_ | nevermind: Then uninstall IPL, and follow the Rockbox install instructions. |
| 19:08:31 | nevermind | hmmz |
| 19:08:44 | nevermind | Should i uninstall IPL? |
| 19:08:54 | nevermind | it shouldn't bother should it? |
| 19:08:58 | | Quit webguest08 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 19:09:33 | linuxstb_ | Installing IPL installed the IPL bootloader. Installing Rockbox will install the Rockbox bootloader. In either case, you should start from a "clean" (i.e. Apple firmware only) ipod. |
| 19:09:51 | nevermind | why? |
| 19:10:03 | linuxstb_ | So it works... |
| 19:10:18 | linuxstb_ | The installers assume a clean ipod to start with. |
| 19:10:34 | nevermind | You think it will not work if i go ahead and install rockbox now without a fresh ipod? |
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| 19:10:55 | linuxstb_ | It may work, or it may not. It will definitely work if you start with a fresh ipod. |
| 19:10:58 | nevermind | there is no installer for rockbox its manual from what i see so far? |
| 19:11:11 | nevermind | ok i'll take my chances:) |
| 19:11:34 | * | linuxstb_ afk |
| 19:11:47 | fasmaie | nevermind: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 19:12:01 | nevermind | thanx fasmaie |
| 19:12:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:14:20 | PaulPosition | That memcopy patch for portalplayer based daps (fs#6528)... Am I right in assuming it's no use testing it on iRiver H10 because anyway it doesn't use CPU boosting? (or does it?) |
| 19:15:16 | Soap | is "boost ratio" in the debug−−>audio thread screen an average since rockbox launched, playback started, or since you entered the menu? |
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| 19:16:30 | dan_a | Soap: I'm not certain. I think it's the average between menu updates. |
| 19:16:48 | BiptoN | if i get todays rockbox-devel and build the booloader for my ipod will the bootloader handle a COP build? |
| 19:16:49 | Mikachu | Soap: since you entered the audio thread screen |
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| 19:16:58 | Soap | thanks Mikachu |
| 19:17:28 | Soap | I'll be a good boy and enter the audio thread screen at the same time, and wait until the same point before writing down the boost % |
| 19:17:30 | dan_a | PaulPosition: It's worth testing, and see if you notice any difference. However you won't be able to get any numbers to say its better or not |
| 19:17:44 | dan_a | BiptoN: Yes |
| 19:17:49 | BiptoN | thanks |
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| 19:20:15 | PaulPosition | dan_a: Makes sense. Well, that and making sure it doesn't crash the platform before some commit is done. :) |
| 19:22:04 | nevermind | hey need help with backing up fhase of the install |
| 19:22:30 | nevermind | i typed ipodpatcher [1] -r bootpartition.bin |
| 19:22:49 | BiptoN | i built a bootloader for my iaudio x5 and copied the bootloader.bin file to the firmware directory as x5_fw.bin, but when i unplugged it and plugged it into the wall it never flashed the new loader |
| 19:22:51 | nevermind | thats correct or is it [device 1] or something else |
| 19:22:59 | BiptoN | it was just stuck on the iaudio screen |
| 19:23:08 | | Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) |
| 19:23:26 | BiptoN | have there been many changes to it since the one from july on the site? |
| 19:24:11 | | Part icu |
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| 19:25:03 | nevermind | nevermind got it |
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| 19:25:09 | nevermind | lose the [];) |
| 19:25:35 | dan_a | Hmmmm... how do you safely disconnect an iPod from a Linux machine that doesn't have SCSI support in the kernel? |
| 19:26:06 | BiptoN | no scsi? no drive access than? |
| 19:26:14 | fleytin | Hi! I am a blind rockbox user and my iaudio just hang up. I need to do a hardware reset but can not find a button for this. Can anyone tell where it is? |
| 19:26:41 | BiptoN | dan_a: if you haven't mounted the filesystem just unpluggin it should be fine. |
| 19:26:58 | dan_a | BiptoN: I'll cross my fingers... |
| 19:27:14 | BiptoN | fleytin: it's on the right side of the player neear the bottom corner |
| 19:27:21 | BiptoN | a very small hole for a paper clip |
| 19:27:56 | BiptoN | flaytin: about a half inch or so from the bottom right |
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| 19:28:34 | BiptoN | dan_a: as long as it's not mounted it should be more than fine |
| 19:29:11 | XavierGr | how do I know if my build runs from ram, disk or rom? |
| 19:29:19 | dan_a | BiptoN: It seems OK. In fact, Windows wasn't mounting it as a drive before, and it is now, so it seems to have helped! |
| 19:29:31 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody|Determ (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 19:29:44 | XavierGr | also how do I enable again that bootloader selcection screen in the new bootloader (h100) |
| 19:29:52 | fleytin | BiptoN: Thank you! :-) |
| 19:30:13 | | Quit barrywardell (Client Quit) |
| 19:30:13 | BiptoN | np ;) |
| 19:30:20 | | Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@host-194-46-249-92.dsl-ie.utvinternet.net) |
| 19:32:09 | BiptoN | barrywardell: have you looked at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 in awhile? |
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| 19:33:02 | barrywardell | BiptoN: I'm just back from holidays, so not really in the past week or so |
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| 19:33:13 | icu | XavierGr, switch player off, swirch HOLD on, switch player on again |
| 19:33:48 | | Join rob____ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-76-188-121-142.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 19:33:50 | icu | then switch hold off again to make your selections |
| 19:34:41 | | Nick rob____ is now known as bestadvocate (n=chatzill@cpe-76-188-121-142.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 19:35:36 | bestadvocate | hey, I have not checked the statis of Rockbox's supported models in a little while when did the 30 and 60 5g support get added? |
| 19:35:48 | XavierGr | icu: thanks |
| 19:35:53 | icu | np |
| 19:36:10 | nevermind | ok i think i need to wipe clean my ipod |
| 19:36:21 | nevermind | how do i do this from itunes? |
| 19:36:34 | | Part icu |
| 19:36:43 | nevermind | sorry i mean , how do i do this,from itunes right? |
| 19:37:24 | BiptoN | are u going to install RB nevermind? |
| 19:39:44 | nevermind | yes |
| 19:39:49 | fasmaie | nevermind: If you're on a windows machine, just do a restore |
| 19:39:50 | bestadvocate | can someone point me to a link where they talk about the latest ipod support works in progress? |
| 19:40:01 | Soap | dan_a: testing isn't finished yet - but it is looking promising. |
| 19:40:06 | dan_a | I've been thinking about FS #6095, and I think the best approach is probably similar to barrywardell's patch, only never reclock the PLL. So we select a 24MHz clock or SLOW mode for CPUFREQ_NORMAL and use the PLL or FAST mode for CPUFREQ_MAX |
| 19:40:13 | dan_a | Soap: Yay! How promising? |
| 19:40:33 | Soap | from 53 to 47 seconds to fill the buffer. |
| 19:41:05 | dan_a | Ooh! |
| 19:41:08 | Soap | and it looks like boost (mp3 - ~210kbps VBR) will be down from 70% to 55% |
| 19:41:19 | Soap | but let me not count chickens before they hatch |
| 19:41:20 | dan_a | Even ooher! |
| 19:41:28 | Soap | I'm not at the same point in the playlist yet. |
| 19:41:43 | barrywardell | dan_a: agreed. I think I remember thinking something similar last time I looked at that patch |
| 19:41:59 | | Join cA1mAn [0] (n=chatzill@80-219-232-248.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:42:24 | cA1mAn | hello, my wps do not look like in the screenshots: the fonts and the bars are all at the wrong place! how can i fix this? |
| 19:42:30 | dan_a | barrywardell: I've sort of started working on a new version, but I've got a cold and my brain isn't working properly at the moment |
| 19:42:32 | Soap | cA1mAn: load the font pack. |
| 19:42:49 | cA1mAn | Soap: i did |
| 19:43:08 | Soap | are you using WPSs which require patches? like album art? like scrolling margins? |
| 19:43:28 | petur | cA1mAn: did you install the wps by using the theme or only the wps? |
| 19:43:51 | cA1mAn | i did use a build with album art scrolling marges etc... |
| 19:43:59 | cA1mAn | petur: how do you mean? |
| 19:44:20 | petur | I assume you copied all files, not only the wps file |
| 19:44:35 | petur | then did you browse themes or browse wps? |
| 19:44:35 | Soap | which custom build? and are you using a WPS that needs Julius's patches also? |
| 19:44:40 | bestadvocate | ah sweet i found the ipod faq. |
| 19:44:52 | Soap | I don't believe there is an unsupported build out there (working) with those patches anymore. |
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| 19:45:34 | Soap | dan_a: first test complete - let me reboot and try again. But boost percentage is down from 70% to 57%!!!! |
| 19:45:47 | dan_a | Soap: Excellent news |
| 19:45:49 | cA1mAn | pectur: i used "browse themes" |
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| 19:46:11 | cA1mAn | Soap: i used the build from maxwen0, are there other better builds out there i should know? |
| 19:46:41 | Soap | cA1mAn: I'm not familiar with than build, nor the WPS you are attempting to use. |
| 19:46:45 | dan_a | I'm just installing Rockbox to a greyscale 4G which I have aquired, so I'll test on that in a minute |
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| 19:47:14 | cA1mAn | Soap: hmm. so what build are you suggesting? hmm it didn't work for more than one wps actually |
| 19:47:16 | barrywardell | dan_a: have you got MrH's clock handling document to work from? |
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| 19:47:33 | dan_a | barrywardell: I have :D |
| 19:47:35 | Soap | dan_a: I'll need to reinstall the stock build to double check the buffer loading time. |
| 19:47:49 | cA1mAn | like all boeselhack, and the *pod oned too |
| 19:48:07 | Soap | cA1mAn: You've never mentioned what target, nor what WPS we are talking about. |
| 19:48:12 | cA1mAn | petur: how should i use the wps, themes then? |
| 19:48:38 | petur | 1) you copy everyting from the theme zip file to your player |
| 19:48:41 | cA1mAn | Soap: from memory: HiPod and boeselhack - all of them |
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| 19:48:53 | petur | 2) you browse themes to select theme |
| 19:49:01 | cA1mAn | did that so far |
| 19:49:04 | petur | that should be it |
| 19:49:09 | cA1mAn | :-( |
| 19:49:17 | Nico_P | Slasheri: you still there ? you wre talking about optimizing menus earlier... are you aware of this : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5591 ? |
| 19:49:29 | petur | does the theme specify certain patches that are required? |
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| 19:49:59 | cA1mAn | on some themes like the HiPodNextV4 (for ex.!), the fonts are displaced and cut |
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| 19:50:16 | cA1mAn | petur: i think i have all patches necessary |
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| 19:50:55 | bluebrother | hmm. Now that we have themes for a while does "browse wps" still makes sense? |
| 19:51:13 | Soap | no |
| 19:51:19 | cA1mAn | bluebrother; what is it for actually? |
| 19:51:24 | bluebrother | setting a wps is still possible, but I guess most users won't need that dedicated entry anymore |
| 19:51:38 | petur | cA1mAn: Well I don't know more to help, and besides, those unsupported builds are unsupported by definition |
| 19:51:53 | leftright | Slasheri: i have edited the iriverflash page with additional steps for rombox, could you please check that its to your liking |
| 19:51:54 | bluebrother | cA1mAn, it simply sets the wps while the "browse themes" sets a couple of other settings too (if they are used in the theme) |
| 19:51:56 | * | Soap doesn't even know what player cA1mAn is talking about. |
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| 19:52:24 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: like the fonts etc...? |
| 19:52:33 | cA1mAn | Soap: iAudio X5 |
| 19:53:03 | bluebrother | yes, exactly |
| 19:53:24 | cA1mAn | petur: i know i've read everywhere that they are not official, but it's just so easy to install a finished build with 10+ patches applied |
| 19:53:32 | bluebrother | there is also a "browse fonts" entry, but that's a bit more hidden −− below the general settings |
| 19:53:40 | cA1mAn | i saw that |
| 19:54:07 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: any idead why the fonts and the progress bar are displaced on the wps? |
| 19:54:26 | bluebrother | but ... maybe this can get removed as well? So to encourage using a theme for everything? |
| 19:54:42 | bluebrother | as advanced users will still be able selecting separate files |
| 19:54:49 | Soap | I'd like to see it removed. |
| 19:54:59 | bluebrother | fonts and progress bar on the wps? I don't understand. |
| 19:55:22 | * | bluebrother would also like to see encouraging of a packed themes format |
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| 19:55:27 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: yes |
| 19:55:42 | bluebrother | like the format I wrote an installer plugin for |
| 19:56:00 | bluebrother | would make distribution easier |
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| 19:56:19 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: the wps HiMDforMe or HiPodNextv4 for ex. |
| 19:56:49 | bluebrother | and might be a good thing to support in the core later as we then already have some format that gets used |
| 19:57:01 | cA1mAn | the fonts are half-way cut |
| 19:57:05 | bluebrother | cA1mAn, so what's exactly the problem? The text appears at strange locations? |
| 19:57:17 | cA1mAn | the progress bar is on the top |
| 19:57:22 | bluebrother | half-way in terms of you see only the upper / lower half of a letter? |
| 19:57:29 | leftright | anyone else who knows the rombox flashing procedure like to rpoof read my entries please http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
| 19:57:39 | bluebrother | progress bar on top sounds like a missing x-y coordinates patch |
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| 19:57:43 | cA1mAn | yes, because it's displaced (at the top of the screen for ex.) |
| 19:57:45 | leftright | specifically the Rombox section |
| 19:57:57 | bluebrother | and there was some change in that patch iirc. |
| 19:58:14 | bluebrother | why not use an official build? |
| 19:58:21 | bluebrother | with themes made for official builds? |
| 19:58:34 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: to make it short: the text is not where it should be (like in the screenshot) - not at all |
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| 19:58:37 | Soap | ok dan_a, I'll shut up now, but I'm so giddy about the patch. |
| 19:59:02 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: because i need the scrolling margins and album art |
| 19:59:06 | bluebrother | cA1mAn, check if you have the needed fonts installed |
| 19:59:18 | bluebrother | who needs album art on a dap? |
| 19:59:31 | cA1mAn | i installed every font possbile :-) |
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| 19:59:47 | cA1mAn | scrolling margins i need |
| 19:59:59 | bluebrother | ask in the forums thread about that unofficial build |
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| 20:00:05 | dan_a | Soap: Feel free to add comments to the FS task showing your results |
| 20:00:18 | cA1mAn | and most wps on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5 need album art to work correctly |
| 20:00:23 | bluebrother | I don't use unofficial builds (except with my own tries to change things) |
| 20:00:29 | dan_a | I'm getting a better ratio on my 4g too |
| 20:00:36 | PaulPosition | ca1mAn : Go to the iaudiophile forums and ask maxwen. |
| 20:00:38 | Soap | dan_a: I just double checked my my buffer filling times. With three tests on stock 5G (64MB buffer patch) I get 53 seconds to fill buffer and 70% boost. With three tests on 5G (64MB buffer patch + FS #6528) I get 47 seconds to fill buffer and 58% boost. |
| 20:00:46 | Mikachu | dan_a: i think my nano went down about 7% too |
| 20:00:56 | Mikachu | mpegplayer seems unaffected though |
| 20:01:21 | Zeraphe | Hey... is there a reason why Rockbox wouldn't be able to find .rockbox if it exists? |
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| 20:01:45 | PaulPosition | Zeraphe: Maybe, what do you mean? Any error message? |
| 20:01:53 | cA1mAn | or some themes show me "mpc" instead of "flac" isn't that strange!? |
| 20:01:59 | Zeraphe | Nope. Just "can't find .rockbox |
| 20:02:02 | Cassandra | Zeraphe, You're using an HFS formatted ipod? (I'd expect it not to load at all under those circumstances though.) |
| 20:02:16 | bluebrother | already tried this page? http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 |
| 20:02:17 | Zeraphe | Nope, Cassandra It's a WinPod. |
| 20:02:18 | PaulPosition | ca1man: Then it's simple : those themes are OLD and they haven't been updated in a while. |
| 20:02:39 | Zeraphe | Could it be the way the drive is formatted? |
| 20:02:50 | Cassandra | Run a chkdsk. |
| 20:02:50 | cA1mAn | PaulPosition: so where can i get new working themes? any advice? thanks |
| 20:02:52 | bluebrother | mpc instead of flac is because the wps is outdated. There was a change in the order of the values |
| 20:02:54 | Zeraphe | I did mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048 |
| 20:03:08 | bluebrother | cA1mAn, use iCatcher ;-) |
| 20:03:21 | cA1mAn | thanks for the page btw, bluebrother, will have a look at it |
| 20:03:22 | dan_a | Soap, Mikachu: In that case, I'd better ping amiconn to see what his opinion on adding 1k to the core size (in IRAM) on ARM targets is for at least a 5% better boost ratio |
| 20:03:35 | Cassandra | If that's FAT32, 2048MB sectors, sounds fine. |
| 20:03:36 | PaulPosition | ca1man: I suggest you look at iaudiophile forums, wherre MaxWen hangs.. http://iaudiophile.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28 |
| 20:03:48 | Cassandra | Erm, KB. |
| 20:03:55 | webguest53 | I just installed Rockbox on my Ipod Mini, it was running fine, but when I went to plug it in, i didnt show up on my comp. Now its frozen on the USB display, and I cant turn it off |
| 20:04:05 | webguest53 | any suggestiosn? |
| 20:04:13 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: do the themes on your site work for iaudio x5? |
| 20:04:25 | cA1mAn | PaulPosition: that's what i'm doing now, thanks |
| 20:04:40 | bluebrother | it's not my site and that page lists also the requirements. Just look at it. |
| 20:05:17 | cA1mAn | has the ".rockbox" folder to be HIDDEN? |
| 20:05:20 | bluebrother | and, you need only a matching resolution. You could also use themes for h100 (but that would be greyscale only= |
| 20:05:25 | bluebrother | no |
| 20:05:32 | cA1mAn | or doeok |
| 20:05:37 | Cassandra | webguest53, hold down SELECT and MENU |
| 20:05:39 | bluebrother | the folder gets automatically hidden by unix-like OS |
| 20:05:46 | cA1mAn | so 160x128x16 is iaudio res? |
| 20:05:52 | bluebrother | and Rockbox, unless you show all files |
| 20:05:54 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 20:05:55 | webguest53 | Oh god, that worked |
| 20:05:59 | webguest53 | thanks |
| 20:06:01 | leftright | would it be correct to say that one should always ensure that the latest Bleeding Edge is installed prior to flashing ? |
| 20:06:07 | webguest53 | i qwas holding select and Play |
| 20:06:07 | Cassandra | No problem. |
| 20:06:11 | bluebrother | it's 160x128 at 16bit depth. h100 is 2bit depth |
| 20:06:11 | webguest53 | thanks alot |
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| 20:06:34 | bluebrother | the only thing that is important is the resolution, and your player needs at least the color depth of the theme |
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| 20:08:07 | cA1mAn | how come some themes do change every menu (font, color etc...) and some only the wps? |
| 20:08:40 | bluebrother | you can't change every menu |
| 20:08:51 | bluebrother | you can change font, colors, backdrop |
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| 20:08:58 | bluebrother | and wps of course |
| 20:09:18 | bluebrother | but that setting applies to all, i.e. if you want a bigger font in the wps that is also the font for the menus |
| 20:09:23 | cA1mAn | yeah that's what i meant |
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| 20:09:46 | bluebrother | if a theme doesn't set the font correctly its broken |
| 20:10:11 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: ok i think they are broken since some more recent them do work correctly |
| 20:10:25 | cA1mAn | but i have another annoying thing discovered: |
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| 20:10:35 | cA1mAn | i have te 60 gb version and a LOT of artists |
| 20:10:36 | bluebrother | a theme should always set colors and font |
| 20:11:01 | cA1mAn | so if any artist begins with let's say and "o" i have to browse some time |
| 20:11:06 | Soap | dan_a: 5% is an understatement! |
| 20:11:10 | cA1mAn | to come down there |
| 20:11:29 | PaulPosition | ca1man: Using database or file browser? |
| 20:11:43 | cA1mAn | database |
| 20:11:54 | bluebrother | you can create your own view for the database |
| 20:12:08 | cA1mAn | is there a way to speed.up when going down with the joystick after5 sec for ex. |
| 20:12:21 | * | bluebrother notes to himself that tagnavi.config should get documented in the manual some day |
| 20:12:46 | PaulPosition | ca1man: Hmm, I don't think so, but you should be able to scroll one whole page at a time by using two buttons (I think play+down, but I'm not sure) |
| 20:12:49 | cA1mAn | i mean first scrolling down slowly and then after some seconds accerating, like the ipod |
| 20:12:50 | dan_a | Soap: I'm an engineer, not a salesman! |
| 20:13:06 | bluebrother | someone in the forums did a really nice tagnavi setup |
| 20:13:15 | bluebrother | my h120 accellerates ... |
| 20:13:33 | cA1mAn | my iaudio does too, but waaay to slow |
| 20:13:39 | bluebrother | at least in the file browser, so I don't see a reason why the database view shouldn't do so |
| 20:13:48 | cA1mAn | but i think i will try PaulPosition's hint |
| 20:13:59 | Cassandra | dan_a, sounds like a good tradeoff to me. |
| 20:14:06 | bluebrother | pages scrolling should be mentioned in the manual. |
| 20:14:12 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 20:14:20 | Cassandra | Especially as that should have knock on benefits for battery life. |
| 20:15:14 | dan_a | Cassandra: That was pretty much what I thought |
| 20:15:24 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: you said i can create my own view for the databse, how? thanks |
| 20:15:43 | Cassandra | We desperately need those on at least the Apple targets. |
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| 20:16:08 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax |
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| 20:16:37 | dan_a | In that case, it's worth making the code more Rockboxy :D |
| 20:16:41 | cA1mAn | that's nice, i love these kinda settings |
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| 20:17:44 | cA1mAn | does "load to ram" affect battery life in any way; making it last longer/shorter? |
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| 20:18:12 | cA1mAn | supposing i use the database browsing very often |
| 20:18:48 | Soap | it takes memory away from the audio buffer. but the drive doesn't spin every time you load the database |
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| 20:19:30 | Soap | a very worthy tradeoff, assuming the x5 doesn't have a teenie tiny audio buffer already. |
| 20:20:25 | Soap | dan_a: for giggles I'll test your beautiful patch with the kernel_on_cop_6 patch as soon as my slow machine finishes. |
| 20:20:52 | cA1mAn | Soap: i don't quite understand, is it better to load it to ram then? |
| 20:21:16 | Soap | cA1mAn: in almost all cases yes. |
| 20:21:31 | cA1mAn | Soap: ok nice |
| 20:22:04 | bluebrother | "better" is in nearly all cases dependent on your usage ;-) |
| 20:22:29 | bluebrother | as your criteria for "better" may be completely different from mine |
| 20:22:41 | Insectoid | Pffft. This experimental Ipod rockbox build with the double core patch, and all the other patches, album art, etc is quite without speech. Do I have to generate my own voice from the lang file or something? |
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| 20:23:40 | Soap | Insectoid: maybe a stupid question - but are you using the newer bootloader (white text on black screen during initial boot) or the older bootloader (black text on pale blue screen during initial boot)? |
| 20:24:03 | Insectoid | Soap, I'm not sure. :) |
| 20:24:20 | Insectoid | It's quite black on black for me. |
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| 20:24:47 | Soap | when you reboot the initial messages before Senab's colourful logo are black on black? |
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| 20:25:19 | Insectoid | It's a fifth gen Ipod video −− and I grabbed the bootloader on the Sixth, so I assume it's the new one. And when I say black on black, I can't see the screen. |
| 20:25:20 | PaulPosition | soap: I think Insectoid doesn't enjoy sighted help right now. |
| 20:25:36 | Soap | oh shit |
| 20:25:40 | Soap | my bad |
| 20:25:43 | * | Insectoid grins. |
| 20:26:02 | PaulPosition | Wish I knew anything about iPods and voices... I don't. :( |
| 20:26:35 | Soap | yes, if you grabbed the bootloader on the 6th of January, you are good in that department Insectoid. |
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| 20:28:40 | bluebrother | hmm. Would be good if there was a way identifying the bootloader version somewhere else than only during startup |
| 20:28:55 | cA1mAn | PaulPosition: hmm down+play does not scroll down faster |
| 20:29:50 | Insectoid | I'm quite happy with Rockbox, my only complaint being the lack of a dedicated speech synthesizer, something like flite. But I heard something about fixed-point numbers and what not, is there no floatingpoint emulation? Is there more holding back flite, just no interest, perhaps? |
| 20:30:05 | preglow | there is floating point emulation |
| 20:30:09 | preglow | but you won't believe how slow it is |
| 20:30:42 | thegeek | imo it's better to pre-generated stuff like that anyway |
| 20:30:51 | thegeek | pre-generate* |
| 20:31:21 | Insectoid | That's all fantabulous, but then you run into issues like finding the right voice file, naming your songs, getting new music and having no idea what it is... etc. |
| 20:31:24 | bluebrother | for the menus pregenerating is fine. But for folders and other often changing stuff (e.g. database view) a real tts engine would be nice |
| 20:31:38 | Insectoid | Exactly,bluebrother |
| 20:31:58 | bluebrother | but for menus I agree using pre-generated voices is better |
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| 20:32:20 | bluebrother | Insectoid, if you have a build environment you can build a voice file yourself |
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| 20:33:24 | Insectoid | I'm off to do so. But would that explain why there is no tts even for, for instance, folders in the file view, if the voice file I have is out of date for my patch? |
| 20:34:08 | bluebrother | no, folders are voiced using pregenerated clips |
| 20:34:19 | bluebrother | the voice file only affects the menus |
| 20:34:27 | Insectoid | Exactly. So I think I have something deeper wrong. |
| 20:34:40 | Insectoid | And I have my folders numbered with the same voice file as the menus |
| 20:34:50 | Insectoid | Instead of the .talk chunks |
| 20:34:50 | bluebrother | you can spell out filenames, and I guess the position of letters and numbers won't change in the voice file |
| 20:35:21 | bluebrother | ah, the folders get spelled as numbers? |
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| 20:35:38 | Insectoid | Yeah. Folder: 1, Folder: 2, etc. |
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| 20:35:59 | bluebrother | there is a setting how folders are treated. You can spell them as numbers, spell the letters or use pregenerated mp3 clips |
| 20:36:15 | Insectoid | And It's set to numbers, and still not talking. It was, before, with the unpatched version. |
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| 20:37:54 | bluebrother | ah. So either the patched version has problems with voice or problems with the specific voice file |
| 20:38:23 | bluebrother | but I'd rather guess it has problems with voice in general, as most unsupported builds are made for eye-candy |
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| 20:39:28 | Insectoid | Blah. I just wanted an easy way to have it use both cores. I have a patch to do so, instead of the complete firmware, so I suppose I'll just svn out the latest, try to apply the patch, and go from there. |
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| 20:40:02 | bluebrother | I guess that would be the easiest way. |
| 20:40:03 | puetzk | Insectoid, afaik the only thing that uses the second core is the MPEG player anyway... |
| 20:40:11 | puetzk | even on a build that supports using it |
| 20:40:27 | * | bluebrother doesn't know due to the lack of an ipod |
| 20:40:29 | Insectoid | I'm also reading some interesting stuff with ipodlinux, dated 2004, about work with Flite. Going to have to see if they got anywhere and or have code available. |
| 20:40:45 | puetzk | video is probably not of great importance to you :-) |
| 20:40:57 | Insectoid | True true. |
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| 20:43:09 | Slasheri | lee-qid: i just wrote a nice debug screen to write to arbitary memory address: MENU selects between data/address, scroll wheel sets the nibble byte value, left/right selects the nibble, PLAY inverses data and SELECT writes the data to the selected address. |
| 20:43:15 | Slasheri | ups, linuxstb i meant |
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| 20:43:31 | webguest99 | sup all |
| 20:43:47 | webguest99 | nebody |
| 20:44:14 | Mouser_X | The sky is up. |
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| 20:44:20 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
| 20:44:25 | Mouser_X | Patient fellow. |
| 20:45:14 | cA1mAn | how can i scroll faster or using scroll per page on the database view. cause it can get very long |
| 20:45:37 | Mouser_X | cA1mAn: Read the manual. |
| 20:45:51 | Mouser_X | Teh key combos are in there, but I don't remember what they are. |
| 20:45:53 | bluebrother | paged scrolling works the same way on all lists |
| 20:46:09 | bluebrother | play+up/down on h100 series |
| 20:46:19 | bluebrother | no idea about other targets |
| 20:46:40 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: unfortunately it dopesn't for iaudio |
| 20:47:00 | cA1mAn | and Mouser_X: i did and that's why i'm asking here, because i couldn't find the answer |
| 20:47:20 | Mouser_X | Really? Odd... |
| 20:47:40 | Soap | dan_a: for what it is worth - adding the kernel on COP patch didn't appear to change the numbers at all. |
| 20:48:05 | dan_a | Soap: Thanks - I didn't really expect it would |
| 20:48:16 | Soap | a boy can dream can't he? |
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| 20:50:17 | bluebrother | hmm. Just build the voice file using flite, and looks like I like that better than festival |
| 20:50:26 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: so push play+down and it does go on the nex page? |
| 20:51:26 | bluebrother | it works the same way on all lists. The list only needs to be longer than the screen. |
| 20:52:16 | Nico_P | Slasheri: have you seen my message above ? |
| 20:52:58 | Jsunu | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <jael8688> |
| 20:53:37 | cA1mAn | bluebrother: to avoid misunderstatement: you mean when browsing on the database view (ex. "artist" and the scrolling down) |
| 20:53:53 | Slasheri | Nico_P: hmm, when? |
| 20:53:55 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 20:54:12 | Jsunu | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <jael8688> |
| 20:54:16 | Nico_P | "you wre talking about optimizing menus earlier... are you aware of this : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5591 ?" |
| 20:54:22 | Mouser_X | Jsunu: That's why I never use that command when in a chat room. |
| 20:54:24 | bluebrother | it's the same as in file browser view |
| 20:54:33 | Slasheri | Nico_P: ah, i will check |
| 20:54:35 | Jsunu | oh god damit |
| 20:54:42 | Mouser_X | Jsunu: Try it without the < |
| 20:54:45 | Jsunu | time to change the pas word |
| 20:54:52 | Mouser_X | Yes, that would be wise. |
| 20:55:02 | Slasheri | Nico_P: oh, that looks interesting |
| 20:55:07 | Nico_P | Slasheri: I think it does exactly what you were saying : it only redraws the two elements in a list |
| 20:55:10 | Slasheri | something i was thinking to do |
| 20:55:21 | Slasheri | yep.. i will commit that soon if it looks ok |
| 20:55:27 | Nico_P | :) |
| 20:55:46 | Nico_P | it hasn't been maintained though... sad |
| 20:56:02 | bluebrother | speaking of lcd improvements that sentertainment guy pops in my head |
| 20:56:15 | Zeraphe | Damnit. Will Rockbox not coexist with an ext2 partition? It claims it can't write to the vfat partition it exists on, can't find anything there either. |
| 20:56:45 | bluebrother | Zeraphe, Rockbox should use the first (primary?) fat partition it finds |
| 20:56:48 | Mikachu | Zeraphe: did you format the vfat partition in linux? |
| 20:57:09 | bluebrother | not sure if it's required to be a primary partition |
| 20:57:12 | Zeraphe | Mikachu, Yes. mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048 |
| 20:57:25 | Mikachu | ah, that should be right then |
| 20:57:32 | Zeraphe | It's not, though. |
| 20:57:56 | bluebrother | do you have a bootloader that supports the 2048bytes sectors? |
| 20:58:07 | Zeraphe | Loader2 |
| 20:58:21 | bluebrother | maybe you need to set the bootable or active flag for the partition. |
| 20:58:28 | Zeraphe | It's bootable, though. |
| 20:58:44 | bluebrother | hmm, is there a release of loader2 that supports large sectors? |
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| 20:58:55 | Zeraphe | It worked before. |
| 20:59:03 | bluebrother | with 2048 bytes? |
| 20:59:07 | Zeraphe | Yep yep. |
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| 20:59:13 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 20:59:19 | Zeraphe | I know. |
| 20:59:20 | linuxstb | Can you paste your partition table (i.e. the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdX) to http://www.pastebin.ca ? |
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| 21:00:28 | Zeraphe | fdisk -l? |
| 21:00:38 | Zeraphe | What's the l switch for? |
| 21:00:50 | linuxstb | It displays the partition table... |
| 21:02:08 | Zeraphe | Ah. Yeah, let me boot into Disk Mode real quick. |
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| 21:03:24 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, http://www.pastebin.ca/315670 |
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| 21:04:31 | dan_a | linuxstb: FWIW, I can confirm that booting into the OF on a 4G greyscale iPod doesn't work with the latest bootloader/ipodpatcher combination |
| 21:04:47 | bluebrother | two partitions with bootable flag? |
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| 21:05:51 | Zeraphe | bluebrother, Should I kill the bootable flag on sda1? |
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| 21:06:04 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: That looks fine... I don't think Rockbox would care about the bootable flag. |
| 21:06:33 | linuxstb | dan_a: I know... Fixing ipodpatcher for that (and the 3G) is next on my things to do. |
| 21:06:33 | Zeraphe | Hmmm. |
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| 21:08:10 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: What exactly is your problem? Rockbox doesn't find .rockbox? |
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| 21:11:02 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, yeah. I can load rockbox.ipod, but the rest isn't found. |
| 21:11:40 | linuxstb | Which bootloader are you using? The Rockbox one or loader2? |
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| 21:13:57 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, Loader 2, but it was working before I started playing with the partitions. |
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| 21:15:54 | linuxstb | And .rockbox and rockbox.ipod are definitely on the FAT32 partition, not the ext2 partition? |
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| 21:18:07 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, Definitely. |
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| 21:18:50 | linuxstb | So what does Rockbox do when it boots?: Does it display the file browser? |
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| 21:20:55 | puetzk | linuxstb, generally. Or the database browser, if you've picked that instead |
| 21:21:23 | linuxstb | I was asking Zeraphe what happens on his ipod. |
| 21:21:42 | Zeraphe | No, I doesn't. The logo stays up much longer than normal, and then it goes to a blank white screen with the normal icons at the top, and I can get to the menu where you choose to Browse Plugins, but nothing's found, and when I try to save settings, it asks "No partition?" |
| 21:21:48 | puetzk | ah. I hadn't been reading along, sorry |
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| 21:24:38 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: And this is with a recent official Rockbox build? |
| 21:26:51 | Zeraphe | I pulled it down from SVN a couple days ago. |
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| 21:48:51 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: My only suggestion is to look at the disk_mount() function in firmware/common/disk.c and see if you can work out why your FAT32 partition isn't being detected. |
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| 21:52:07 | fasmaie | Do I need SVN access to make changes to the manual? |
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| 21:52:35 | fasmaie | I guess I do |
| 21:53:08 | dan_a | fasmaie: You can post changes as a patch on Flyspray |
| 21:53:24 | fasmaie | Where do I get the manual sources from now? |
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| 21:53:59 | fasmaie | The old CVS information is dated now |
| 21:54:03 | ghost__ | hey, i have an idea to improve the usability: why not implement a function like this: when scrolling down on the file/database menu 2 short tips down on the joystick could make a direct jump to the next beginning letter, like A then 2 short tips then it jumps to B etc... |
| 21:54:28 | dan_a | Oh, to get the manual sources you'll probably need SVN (I'm not sure if they're in a tarball) |
| 21:55:00 | dan_a | fasmaie: But, of course, that's anonymous, read only SVN |
| 21:55:25 | dan_a | ghost__: It sounds quite a good idea, but many targets don't have a joystick |
| 21:55:52 | ghost__ | but that would be so good for the iaudio |
| 21:56:44 | ghost__ | because i still couldn't figure out how to "quick-scroll". it's quite annoying when havin 1000s of entries... |
| 21:56:55 | ghost__ | with the iaudio that is |
| 21:56:59 | dan_a | ghost__: It's probably a good idea to post it on the patch tracker. I'm not sure how easy it will be to implement though |
| 21:57:04 | fasmaie | dan_a: Do you think posting changes to the manual will be fine on flyspray |
| 21:57:09 | fasmaie | ? |
| 21:57:59 | dan_a | fasmaie: Definitely, and it is appreciated. The most recent commit is a manual change from flyspray :D |
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| 22:02:20 | fasmaie | hmm....I'll have to figure out how best to do that −− never used flyspray before |
| 22:03:44 | ghost__ | if anyone knows how to scroll quickly with the iaudio X5 trough 1000s of entries, please tell me :-) |
| 22:05:07 | dan_a | fasmaie: The best way is to prepare a patch to the LaTeX source, and open a Flyspray case and attach the patch to is. If you can't do that, just posting a description of the changes should be enough |
| 22:05:25 | fasmaie | dan_a: Thanks |
| 22:05:52 | dan_a | fasmaie: See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6529 for an example |
| 22:06:00 | linuxstb | ghost__: Organise your files differently... |
| 22:06:17 | ghost__ | i'm using database |
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| 22:07:27 | drklabyrinth | hi |
| 22:07:28 | dan_a | ghost__: Try to have a narrower taste in music. If you only liked one or two bands, you wouldn't have the problem |
| 22:07:33 | dan_a | </joke> |
| 22:07:51 | ghost__ | hehe |
| 22:08:00 | ghost__ | but i didn't buy the 60gb version for nothing |
| 22:08:25 | drklabyrinth | i have soem questions about rockbox |
| 22:08:43 | drklabyrinth | hopefully somone has some answers? |
| 22:08:50 | dan_a | drklabyrinth: Ask, if someone knows the answer they will say. |
| 22:08:51 | fasmaie | drklabyrinth: ask away |
| 22:09:03 | drklabyrinth | i saw that some people had a theme to their rockbox |
| 22:09:08 | drklabyrinth | like a background |
| 22:09:14 | drklabyrinth | and a WMP10 playbar |
| 22:09:17 | drklabyrinth | is that possible |
| 22:09:22 | drklabyrinth | or is it photoshopped |
| 22:09:27 | fasmaie | drklabyrinth: what player are you using? |
| 22:09:42 | fasmaie | It is possible |
| 22:09:53 | fasmaie | Look up the wps page for your player |
| 22:10:08 | drklabyrinth | ipod |
| 22:10:13 | drklabyrinth | 5thgen |
| 22:10:17 | drklabyrinth | 30gig |
| 22:10:28 | fasmaie | Have you looked up the wps page for it? |
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| 22:10:57 | drklabyrinth | http://radekhulan.cz/img/rockbox/rockbox_2.png |
| 22:10:58 | drklabyrinth | something like that |
| 22:11:00 | drklabyrinth | no i havent |
| 22:11:16 | fasmaie | Do so.....there should be something there you will like |
| 22:11:35 | ghost__ | drklabyrinth: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
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| 22:17:21 | Bagder | debauched_sloth: feel free to email me an updated bootloader binary and I'll put it on the download site |
| 22:17:57 | debauched_sloth | Bagder: I have attached it to our Wiki page, one sec and I'll grab you a link |
| 22:18:23 | debauched_sloth | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 22:18:30 | Bagder | thanks |
| 22:18:40 | debauched_sloth | thank you |
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| 22:18:53 | PaulPosition | Ghost, still here? |
| 22:18:59 | ghost__ | yep |
| 22:19:06 | Bagder | barrywardell_: your svn access is now fixed |
| 22:19:35 | debauched_sloth | Bagder: can you give me write access to Flyspray? |
| 22:19:52 | Bagder | I think I already did |
| 22:19:52 | PaulPosition | Try the database setting file from the 3rd reply to this forum thread : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6661.0 ... I think it splits the database browser in 'A', 'B', ... |
| 22:20:01 | * | Bagder checks |
| 22:20:06 | PaulPosition | ghost: But I didn't try it yet myself. |
| 22:20:18 | Bagder | debauched_sloth: what's your user name there? |
| 22:20:30 | debauched_sloth | Good question |
| 22:20:44 | * | debauched_sloth Checks |
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| 22:21:43 | drklabyrinth | how do i know if i have a 5.5g or a 5g |
| 22:21:58 | debauched_sloth | Bagder: gwhite |
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| 22:22:24 | linuxstb | drklabyrinth: Run "ipodpatcher [device]" and it will tell you the sector size - 2048 is 5.5g, 512 is 5g. |
| 22:22:44 | ghost__ | PaulPosition: that would be nice if it worked thanks! |
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| 22:24:38 | barrywardell_ | thanks Bagder |
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| 22:37:32 | Zeraphe | Anyone know why my sda2 drive says it's 1% full? |
| 22:37:36 | Zeraphe | Er... |
| 22:37:37 | Zeraphe | 100% |
| 22:37:48 | Zeraphe | I just restored the ipod. |
| 22:38:26 | Slasheri | Nico_P: it seems like that patch needs to be rewritten. I am just doing that |
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| 22:38:45 | Nico_P | Slasheri: nice |
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| 22:39:12 | Nico_P | will it apply to all targets ? |
| 22:39:19 | Slasheri | yes |
| 22:39:31 | Slasheri | but should be noticeable especially on ipods |
| 22:39:38 | Slasheri | i will do other optimizations as well |
| 22:40:05 | Nico_P | why ? because they have slow lcd drivers ? |
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| 22:41:34 | linuxstb | Zeraphe: What is telling you it's 100% full? |
| 22:42:01 | Slasheri | Nico_P: yep, lcd driver is slow and scrolling is _very_ slow |
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| 22:42:12 | Nico_P | ok |
| 22:42:21 | Slasheri | without boosting cpu, you have to wait several seconds to scroll down one page |
| 22:42:31 | Nico_P | ouch |
| 22:43:08 | linuxstb | The 5g's LCD isn't that slow - it's just big... |
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| 22:44:05 | linuxstb | The data transfer rate is one of the fastest of all the Rockbox targets. |
| 22:44:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: is there still room for improvement ? |
| 22:45:51 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, The 'df' command. Also, it's not allowing a transfer. |
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| 22:47:12 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I've no idea. I think the existing driver is based on reverse-engineering of the Apple diagnostics mode. Examination of how the main Apple firmware communicates with the LCD might bring improvements. |
| 22:47:52 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 22:49:11 | preglow | linuxstb: main problem is that you have to wait for the broadcom chip at some point during display, right? |
| 22:49:46 | Zeraphe | linuxstb, Okay, reformatting the drive worked, but now Rockbox is failing again. |
| 22:50:27 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, there has to be 14ms (I think) between two LCD updates. |
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| 22:51:04 | linuxstb | But that's 70fps, and I don't think Rockbox should be attempting to redraw that often... |
| 22:51:19 | preglow | good point |
| 22:51:51 | preglow | but is there an actual sleep for 14ms involved still? |
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| 22:52:52 | linuxstb | The sleep is at the start of the lcd_update function - if there was 14ms or more between the calls, that doesn't slow it down at all. |
| 22:53:23 | linuxstb | Although it doesn't check the time, there's a status register which is polled. |
| 22:54:02 | preglow | ahh |
| 22:54:22 | linuxstb | So it basically waits for the previous update to finish, then starts the next one. |
| 22:54:41 | preglow | 70 fps does seem a bit over the top anyway, yes... |
| 22:54:49 | preglow | heh |
| 22:55:21 | linuxstb | Although amiconn has mentioned in the past that he thinks the actual text drawing can be optimised a lot. |
| 22:55:38 | preglow | i remember being told by the ipodlinux guys we'd be lucky if we got a couple of fps... |
| 22:55:47 | linuxstb | ... by moving to a taret-specific font format. |
| 22:55:51 | linuxstb | ^target |
| 22:55:55 | preglow | yeah, sure |
| 22:56:01 | linuxstb | Yes, they had no faith in their own work... |
| 22:56:25 | Insectoid | Bah! Finally got the Cygwin build environment working. |
| 22:56:39 | preglow | congratulations, you now have an annoyingly slow environment in which to work |
| 22:56:51 | Insectoid | Not as slow as the 400mhz Debian machine I've been using. |
| 22:57:00 | linuxstb | Don't be so sure... |
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| 22:59:14 | ender` | msys is about 3 times slower than colinux at compiling. and i was doing make -j3 in msys (since i have a dual-core CPU), and make -j2 in colinux (as it can only use 1 CPU) |
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| 22:59:42 | Mikachu | ender`: can you run one colinux on each cpu? |
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| 23:00:34 | ender` | if i ran 2 instances, each would probably get to work on it's own core |
| 23:00:44 | Mikachu | (my idea is to start a minimal environment on the second, with distccd) |
| 23:00:59 | Mikachu | perhaps you could just run distccd in windows, i don't know if there is a windows version |
| 23:01:06 | ender` | (and if it wouldn't, i could always force them each on it's own cpu) |
| 23:01:06 | Mikachu | probably not though |
| 23:01:22 | ender` | i know it's possible to run distcc on cygwin, but it's slooow |
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| 23:11:15 | ghost___ | PaulPosition: hello i tried what you suggested with the tagnavi.config, but it didn't show the entries, just the subordinate menus like "artist a-z" etc... what could i do? |
| 23:11:41 | Insectoid | That's sort of kind of nifty. |
| 23:12:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:12:32 | Insectoid | I patched in a Piezo thing to make the beep work, a bit failed, I patched it by hand, and apparently I screwed up. As soon as I hit the menu button, it started clicking. And hasn't stopped. |
| 23:13:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: I didn't suggest moving to a target specific font format. That would be a distribution nightmare |
| 23:13:51 | amiconn | But the font drawing can be optimised on the 16 bit targets by switching the target's mono bitmap format, and then composing mono bitmaps of a whole line before drawing |
| 23:14:13 | linuxstb | I thought you wanted to have horizontal and vertical packed mono formats? |
| 23:14:26 | linuxstb | (for fonts) |
| 23:14:26 | amiconn | Yes, mono _bitmap_ formats |
| 23:14:34 | amiconn | The font should stay as it is |
| 23:14:41 | amiconn | Most of the benefit will be for coldfire targets though, because we can then exploit line bursts |
| 23:14:49 | Mikachu | next commit is #12000 :) |
| 23:15:07 | linuxstb | I thought the fonts were just drawn using the standard bitmap functions though? |
| 23:15:09 | amiconn | The arm targets with their data cache probably won't see a big speedup |
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| 23:15:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, currently they are |
| 23:15:40 | linuxstb | So you would change that? |
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| 23:16:04 | amiconn | ...but nobody says it has to stay that way. We could flip the mono bitmap format and keep the font bitmap format |
| 23:16:14 | linuxstb | Of course. |
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| 23:17:09 | amiconn | One point is keeping compatibility in order to avoid inflating the font package, or making it harder for the user by having two packages, with only one working depending on target |
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| 23:18:04 | amiconn | But there is another point in keeping the current font format: with vertical packing, it is easier to combine the characters of a line into one bitmap before drawing it |
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| 23:19:12 | amiconn | And another (minor) advantage would be that it will be easier to add rotated text drawing (because we then need bit block rotation anyway) |
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| 23:19:43 | amiconn | Bit block rotation can be done quite efficiently, especially on arm |
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| 23:19:53 | amiconn | See the grayscale lib for an example of such code |
| 23:20:55 | amiconn | One reason for the slow text drawing is that text consists of many tiny bitmaps, and drawing tiny bitmaps is harder to optimise than drawing big bitmaps |
| 23:22:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, did you see my comments regarding AV3xx ? |
| 23:23:04 | amiconn | dan_a: around? |
| 23:23:08 | linuxstb | On another subject, what is the current 2bpp horizontal packing format used on the ipods? Do the most significant bits store the first or last pixel in the set of 4? |
| 23:23:13 | dan_a | amiconn: I'm here |
| 23:23:45 | amiconn | dan_a: The 1k iram you mentioned, is that asm optimised memset + memmove? |
| 23:23:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Lemme check |
| 23:24:09 | dan_a | amiconn: memcpy and memmove. We already have a memset |
| 23:24:21 | amiconn | Blah, I meant those |
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| 23:25:09 | amiconn | Is it the linux glibc code e.g. mentioned here: http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-ports/2006-10/msg00024.html ? |
| 23:25:18 | amiconn | I thought about adapting it myself... |
| 23:25:28 | dan_a | amiconn: That's the one, it adapts really easily |
| 23:25:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I did, thanks. My current thought is using one video plane (for the backdrop), and one bitmap plane (for pixel-accurate drawing). But that would introduce palettes into Rockbox... |
| 23:25:43 | amiconn | 1K in total for memcpy + memmove isn't bad |
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| 23:26:01 | dan_a | amiconn: 1k gain over what we had before |
| 23:26:13 | amiconn | On coldfire the current implementation needs twice as much |
| 23:26:40 | amiconn | (but I'm working on bringing that down, while making it faster for short copies and for odd alignment) |
| 23:26:46 | linuxstb | Although I'm hoping I can find an existing LCD format that I can use in the early stages of the port - hence my 2bpp question. |
| 23:27:00 | * | ender` yawns |
| 23:27:16 | dan_a | memcpy-arm.o is 1500 bytes, memmove-arm.o is 1548 |
| 23:27:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wouldn't want pallettes in rockbox... but you could do 8bpp greyscale |
| 23:27:38 | amiconn | dan_a: The .o is irrelevant |
| 23:27:40 | linuxstb | dan_a: Did you look at earHertz's forum posts? |
| 23:27:58 | amiconn | What counts is the actual code size |
| 23:28:35 | amiconn | The .o is in elf format and contains a lot of additional junk that doesn't go into the binary |
| 23:29:44 | dan_a | memcpy: 668 bytes. memmove: 684 bytes |
| 23:29:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: 2bit-horz is MSB left |
| 23:30:09 | dan_a | linuxstb: I have - I'll work out what they mean sometime soon |
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| 23:30:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's good, I think the av3xx is the same format for 2bpp... |
| 23:31:01 | linuxstb | So at least I can delay dealing with a new LCD format until later. |
| 23:31:09 | amiconn | ipl used to use LSB left, but that was the reason for the mirrored of |
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| 23:31:44 | amiconn | I flipped that, and the loader2 adapted that flipping |
| 23:31:55 | amiconn | Dunno what the ipl core uses now |
| 23:32:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: 8bpp is nearly trivial... |
| 23:32:45 | linuxstb | dan_a: Did he try the glibc version? All I remember is that his own version was faster than anything he found. |
| 23:33:13 | dan_a | linuxstb: His tests were from before the glibc version was available |
| 23:33:44 | linuxstb | dan_a: Ah, OK. |
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| 23:38:33 | Nico_P | would someone with svn write access consider commiting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4783#comment12293 ? |
| 23:38:58 | Nico_P | (y coordinate for the progressbar, rewritten) |
| 23:43:16 | amiconn | dan_a: Would be interesting to see how it influences performance on our other problematic ipod target, the G5... |
| 23:43:27 | amiconn | The mem* functions are used in lcd operations... |
| 23:43:51 | dan_a | amiconn: Soap was testing on a G5 |
| 23:44:18 | * | Soap is in love |
| 23:44:21 | dan_a | 70% boost originally, 58% with the new memcpy |
| 23:44:30 | preglow | omfg |
| 23:44:32 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 23:44:40 | preglow | that's almost unbelievable |
| 23:44:49 | preglow | commit it! quickly! |
| 23:45:06 | Soap | and the audio buffer filled faster |
| 23:45:15 | Soap | two for one. |
| 23:45:22 | dan_a | It just needs making more rockboxy, then I will |
| 23:45:37 | preglow | would make a killer commit #12000 :) |
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| 23:45:39 | amiconn | That's an effective speedup of 10%! |
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| 23:47:59 | Nico_P | could commit #12001 be progressbar y-coord ? :) |
| 23:48:16 | amiconn | Soap: Of course the audio buffer will fill faster when decoding needs less cpu |
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| 23:48:45 | webguest26 | when u have rockbox can u still play your videos? |
| 23:48:49 | dan_a | Oh, wait... there *could* be a licencing issue |
| 23:49:13 | amiconn | dan_a: Iirc the ml post says gpl... |
| 23:49:21 | Soap | amiconn: true, I didn't think of it that way. I was just thinking two battery hogs (buffering and boost) reduced in one swoop. |
| 23:49:49 | amiconn | dan_a: In fact I didn't expect such a big speedup from optimising mem* on arm, because of the data cache. Seems I was wrong on that one... |
| 23:49:56 | linuxstb | webguest26: What are using Rockbox on? An ipod video? |
| 23:50:23 | preglow | i sure as hell didn't expect it |
| 23:50:32 | dan_a | amiconn: It's GPLv2.1 or later. Rockbox doesn't specify a version. If I understand correctly, that means that to use this we would need to be V2.1 or later |
| 23:50:32 | webguest26 | yes |
| 23:50:48 | webguest26 | 30 gb |
| 23:51:16 | linuxstb | webguest26: Rockbox won't play your videos, but you can dual-boot into the Apple firmware after you've installed Rockbox. |
| 23:51:25 | webguest26 | yeah i know |
| 23:51:28 | Mouser_X | Since commits are being mentioned, anyone want to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6122 and see about that one? |
| 23:51:40 | Mouser_X | If there's issues, please let HCS know in the comments. |
| 23:52:20 | webguest26 | any plugins that can be added also? |
| 23:52:32 | preglow | dan_a: does rockbox specify a gpl version anywhere? |
| 23:52:33 | linuxstb | webguest26: Rockbox has its own video player in development, but it's unlikely to become as good as the Apple player on the ipod video. See this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:52:35 | webguest26 | besides what comes on it |
| 23:52:35 | preglow | if not, i believe it'll work out |
| 23:52:53 | amiconn | dan_a: Rockbox specifies GPL v2 in COPYING, dunno what the differences between v2 and v2.1 are, and whether they make them incompatible |
| 23:52:53 | Bagder | rockbox is gpl 2 |
| 23:53:02 | Mikachu | my rockbox.ipod is 440580 with the patch and 439644 without, i think |
| 23:53:13 | Bagder | I don't know what gpl "2.1" is... |
| 23:53:23 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:53:23 | linuxstb | I've never heard of it either... |
| 23:53:32 | preglow | probably some unoffical name for gpl2 + exception or something |
| 23:53:39 | dan_a | I've not seen a version specified anywhere, which according to docs/COPYING means "If the Program does not specify a version number of |
| 23:53:39 | dan_a | this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software |
| 23:53:39 | dan_a | Foundation. |
| 23:53:40 | linuxstb | Is it the lgpl? |
| 23:53:57 | preglow | ahh |
| 23:54:14 | preglow | lgpl does have a 2.1 |
| 23:54:17 | preglow | it probably is that |
| 23:54:34 | Mikachu | glibc is hopefully lgpl, or it would be of limited use :) |
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| 23:54:50 | Bagder | but lgpl => gpl is fine |
| 23:54:53 | dan_a | Oh, yes, it's LGPL |
| 23:54:59 | Bagder | as the lgpl license text explaines |
| 23:55:27 | preglow | then hooray! |
| 23:55:29 | preglow | commit! |
| 23:55:44 | amiconn | If we include code under a different license, this should be added to docs/LICENSES |
| 23:56:00 | Mikachu | aren't there already lots of snippets from glibc in firmware/common? |
| 23:56:13 | linuxstb | Yes, we have many different licenses in Rockbox now, with all the codecs (and maybe other things). |
| 23:57:05 | linuxstb | Maybe we should have a second credits file as well - for code we've incorporated without the original author's help. |
| 23:57:10 | amiconn | Mikachu: Afaik, code in firmware/common, if imported, is often taken from newlib |
| 23:57:22 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, it would make sense |
| 23:57:27 | Mikachu | on closer inspection, i didn't see any references to glibc there |
| 23:57:52 | Bagder | I don't think anything from glibc has been incorporated before |
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