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#rockbox log for 2007-01-13

00:00:25icucould someone send me their version of bootloader.iriver please
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00:01:47brainiac_ghostSoap, just wondering if the COP builds work
00:02:06SoapThey do if you have the current bootloader.
00:04:39brainiac_ghostwhich i do
00:05:02brainiac_ghostdo the jclix themes work?
00:05:12*dune2 is back (gone 00:22:05)
00:05:18Soapbrainiac_ghost: no
00:05:19w1ll14mbrainiac: I believe you need a patch for jclix
00:05:41Soap(not with Senab's build, he is quite explicit about this in his thread)
00:05:45brainiac_ghostSoap, hmm, oh well, i'll just wait for julius to make his one
00:07:26w1ll14mbiraniac_ghost: you can also compile your own custom rockbox and patch it your way, but it can make your build unstable
00:09:25amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, just a thought: Does dircache work on a fat16 partition and/or with multivolume enable (and does it handle one or all volumes)?
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00:13:58brainiac_ghosthmm, i need a theme now
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00:14:53w1ll14mbrainiac: what is your target ?
00:16:04brainiac_ghostw1ll14m, ipod 5.5g
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00:19:35brainiac_ghosthmm, how is it that i delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod and my settings are retained
00:19:54Soapbecause your settings are stored on a very special sector on your hard drive.
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00:20:14SoapIf you are trans-grading to a Senab build, it would be in your best interest to clear said settings.
00:20:15brainiac_ghostah right
00:20:19w1ll14mbrainiac : try directly after powering on ipod the hold button
00:20:34brainiac_ghostw1ll14m, that just boots to normal ipod
00:20:39Soapreboot, and as soon as the bootloader indicates it is booting rockbox, toggle the "hold" switch to the on (red) position.
00:20:49icuif i execute rombox.iriver should it get stuck on ROLO excecuting ?
00:20:56w1ll14mhmmm by bad :) that's what i mean't ;)
00:21:09Soapw1ll14m: "directly after powering on" with the new bootloader, will boot Apple firmware.
00:21:20w1ll14msoap: i realized that just now ;)
00:21:24Soapoops, didn't mean to pile on w1ll14m .
00:21:36Soapjust now saw brainiac_ghost's line.
00:21:43w1ll14msoap: well doesn;t matter :)
00:22:23brainiac_ghostSoap, w1ll14m thanks very much :)
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00:22:54w1ll14mbrainiac: welcome
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00:26:06brainiac_ghostnote to self, backup my settings (i just put all the new ones, rebooted and nocked the hod switch again (trying to get into apple firmware)
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00:26:51w1ll14mbrainiac: after the bootloader says 'loading rockbox' switch the hold button.
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00:35:03Lars_GHey all.
00:35:12Lars_GJust to report my dad is happy so far with rockbox.
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00:35:34Lars_GExcept for a single bug with themes, it's all perfect, and I'll hunt the bug in source next week when i get some breathing time and fix it
00:35:54Soapwhat is the nature of the bug?
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00:37:30gotthardti have a question about the hold-backlight setting of off
00:38:08gotthardtis the code the way it is for a reason? it works like "stay off' it doesnt stay off until it goes off
00:38:42gotthardtSome want the backlight to go off as soon as the hold switch is asserted. any reason why not?
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00:39:00gotthardti looked in almost all of the manuals and there is no definition of it
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00:40:07BiptoN outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
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00:40:56bersaceHi all
00:41:03bersaceis it possible to run Rockbox on ext3 ?
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00:41:37BiptoNthat line that sets the frequency of the arm CPU can you break that down in lame-man's terms for me please?
00:41:38BiptoNoutl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
00:41:48Lars_GSoap: I loaded him several pre-made skins (none the needed (apparently) a patch), but on all of them, the progress bar is vertically missaligned with it's predetermined space
00:42:02w1ll14mbersace: you mean loading rockbox from an ext3 partition ?
00:42:18SoapLars_G: do you have the font pack installed?
00:42:26bersacew1ll14m: i mean, formatting /dev/sdb2 in ext3 instead of FAT32
00:42:40Lars_GI'm a moron
00:42:43Lars_Gthanks Soap
00:42:48Soapnot a problem.
00:42:49w1ll14mbersace: then rockbox won't start
00:43:19bersacethat's sad, since i have ogg with '?' and other special char for windows fs :(
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00:43:27Lars_GYes, afaik the bootloader doesn't has ext3 support.
00:43:55Lars_Gbersace: afaik you should be able to toy with code page (and maybe font) in rockbox to display them correctly off vfat
00:43:58bersacethe apple bootloader
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00:44:07Lars_GNo, rockbox's bootloader.
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00:44:36Lars_GOf course, you could copy the ext2/3 support code from iPodLinux and port it to the rockbox kernel/bootloader... but it's too much hassle in my view
00:44:37w1ll14mbersace: somewhere there was an option for UTF-8 am i right ?
00:45:11bersacew1ll14m: this is not only a question of encoding, but "?" and "<" and other chars are forbidden in FAT 32
00:45:15Lars_Gthere's a code page setup in rockbox. afaik that should help
00:45:23Lars_Goh right
00:45:35bersaceand, in a general manner : EXT3 is better than FAT32, especially if you use GNU/Linux as OS
00:45:36Soapbersace: file systems make poor databases - rely on proper tagging - not proper file names.
00:46:19Lars_Gbersace: Yes but then you're married to rockbox only, OF can't read ext3
00:46:26Lars_GSoap: I agree
00:46:30w1ll14mbersace: yeah i know ext3 is better... but fat32 is supported by many OSes
00:46:35Soapbersace: this issue has been debated to death - FAT32 does everything needed, FAT32 is as cross platform as you can get, EXT2/3 offer nothing needed in a DAP other than the cosmetic file name characters.
00:46:47Lars_GSoap: I agree as well.
00:46:56bersacei don't want to impose ext3 to other users
00:47:08Lars_GFAT32 is read flawlessly in windows, os x, linux, OF and rockbox
00:47:11bersaceif just propose to add ext3 support to bootloader
00:47:29Lars_GMan that dead horse is minced meat by now
00:47:43w1ll14mbersace: then i guess the one who needs it has to make a patch
00:47:48bersacei'm quite surprised this is not a possibility
00:47:50Lars_Gbersace: I doubt there's a reg dev willing to scratch your particular itch
00:48:06Lars_Gbersace: it is a possibility you just need to scratch your itch
00:48:17w1ll14mLaers_G: I Agree
00:48:35Lars_Gmany many many great open source programs have been born, or evolved that way.
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00:49:19Soapbersace: then you get into the (very real) issue that nobody who claims to want ext3 has stepped up to the plate to port it over.
00:49:50w1ll14mBersace: but is that stable to rockbox ?
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00:50:18bersaceso if i understand : neither rockbox bootloader nor rockbox firmware does support ext3
00:50:27Soapbersace: But even if someone does put their money where their mouth is - it is unlikely it would be commited - as it would "bloat" the firmware (taking away precious buffer) for little reward.
00:50:35w1ll14mBersace: correct
00:50:56bersaceso both software need to be patched in order to support that
00:51:10bersaceor using ipod bootloader and patching rockbox
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00:51:28bersacewhat's the difference between rocbock and ipodlinux bootloader ?
00:51:30w1ll14mBersace: indeed, if you want eext3 support you will have to patch the rockbox sources and make a custom bui;d
00:52:01w1ll14mbtw sorry for the language, it's a little late here :)
00:52:24Soapout of curiosity, bersace, what do you want from ext3 outside the filename character support?
00:52:25linuxstb_Soap: I would hope that if someone goes to the effort of implementing a new filesystem for Rockbox, it would get committed. Even if it's just a compile-time option.
00:52:49Lars_GBtw I had an idea for rockbox you might hate.
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00:53:11bersaceSoap: journalised FS
00:53:17bersacenative FS
00:53:23bersacenot-MS FS
00:53:44bersaceext3 features (extended file names, label, etc.)
00:53:47Lars_GWhat about porting an embedded oriented (designed for pointerless devices) widget toolkit into the basic kernel/libraries? to use thorough rockbox for system and plugin UI alike?
00:53:49w1ll14mbersace: sounds nice to me, but what would it do to the performance of rockbox
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00:54:39bersacew1ll14m: why will it bloat rockbox ?
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00:55:09Soaplinuxstb_: I am sorry - I knew that line was pushing it as soon as I typed it - I trust your judgement on that issue over mine anyday.
00:55:26tsuyoshiwe need a journaling fs on rockbox
00:55:31tsuyoshidon't you understand
00:55:33w1ll14mbersace: well, it's a more complicated structure and requires more power (i think)
00:55:59tsuyoshiwhat if it crashes? we'll lose all our critical data
00:56:01Lars_Glinuxstb: What do you think about my idea sincerely?
00:56:07linuxstb_Soap: I think that amongst the devs, I'm one of the people least against extra filesystems.... I'm sure some people would argue strongly against them.
00:56:18Lars_Gtsuyoshi: I don't store critical data on my ipod :P
00:56:23bersacei prefer ext3 to fat32 like i prefer ogg to mp3/wma/m4a
00:56:32SoapLars_G: tsuyoshi was being very sarcastic.
00:56:40Lars_GSoap: I know.
00:56:54w1ll14mlinuxstb: I agree with the extra filesystem feature but it would be very nice if you can select it with a define
00:57:07Lars_GI like to answer sincerely to sarcastic comments and rethorical questions
00:57:18Lars_Gw1ll14m: I agree
00:57:19SoapLars_G: I'll keep that in mind. ;)
00:57:42Lars_Git would though add one nice feature. If the user has both rockbox and iPodLinux, he could share partition for both
00:57:51Lars_Glinuxstb_: Please?
00:58:03tsuyoshiyou can run linux on fat
00:58:06w1ll14mWhat i like about rockbox is that you can plug your ipod in (almost) every computer and read/write data to it
00:58:19tsuyoshipeople have been doing it since 1993 at least...
00:58:24Lars_Gtsuyoshi: You can? meh I tought IPL required ext2 for the root.
00:58:35SoapLars_G: for the root, yes - but not for the music.
00:58:36amiconnExtra filesystem support doesn't make any sense
00:58:42w1ll14mit's as said Soap said a Cross platform filesystem
00:58:44Lars_GSoap: but that's what I talk about. the root.
00:58:45tsuyoshimaybe ipodlinux doesn't support it, but it's really not a difficult thing to add
00:58:52Soap(well, assuming you can _play_ music on IPL, that's a seperate issue)
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00:58:56tsuyoshiprobably much easier than adding ext3 support to rockbox
00:58:58amiconnfat32 is plain and simple, and is universally supported
00:59:11linuxstb_Lars_G: Personally, I'm happy with the Rockbox "widgets" as they are now, apart from some minor cosmetic improvements. But I know lots of people would like a more graphical UI.
00:59:40Lars_Glinuxstb_: I'm not looking only for a more graphical UI (though it's nice)
00:59:43amiconn(though you can create a fat32 partition which both linux and rockbox will understand, but windows will not)
00:59:51w1ll14mSoap: i've used IPL a while ago, but my audio was just to bad to listen when oyu are using higher encoding rates then 160kbps with mp3
00:59:52Soapare there any Windows users of the VMware image on currently?
01:00:12SoapI keep getting an error i can't find any info on in the forums/wiki.
01:00:20tsuyoshiwhat you can do rather reasily is run the root fs off a loopback file on a fat partition
01:00:21Soap" sent an invalid ICMP type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast: on eth0"
01:00:22Lars_Glinuxstb_: I'm also looking for a homogeneous, clearly defined API to code UI in all aspects of rockbox. So the result both in aspect and source is also more homogeneous and debugable.
01:01:05SoapI assume this error is related to the fact I can't connect to the samba share on //debian/user
01:01:23tsuyoshirockbox wouldn't be able to access the root fs.. but I don't know if that's especially important
01:01:40w1ll14mWell i believe in rockbox as it is OS Independant, try itunes on linux (i haven't found a release from apple)
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01:02:09w1ll14mwell i hate itunes but that's not the point :)
01:02:16Lars_Gw1ll14m: Well I'm thinking on compiling amarok in OS X when I can. I like it far more than iTunes
01:03:30w1ll14mLars_G: i don't know about amarok... ll google a bit :) but then, i preffer the use of just a linux terminal and not a GUI
01:03:36w1ll14mthat's why i hate itunes.....
01:03:51w1ll14mbecause it's a resource sucking program .....
01:04:03linuxstb_tsuyoshi: I just think no-one has tried running IPL purely from a FAT32 partition. I think most of the devs are OS X users, so install IPL with the rootfs on the HFS+ partition.
01:04:06w1ll14mand of course i don't like DRM
01:05:11BiptoNlinuxstb_: how does this code read out in a retards view outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
01:05:48w1ll14mbersace: you could also use tagcache as alternative (i thought it has UTF-8 support
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01:06:07bersacew1ll14m: the problem is not UTF-8
01:06:49w1ll14mbersace: i know :) you will have to rename all files with special characters in it\ and fix your id3tags
01:07:06bersaceand fix playlist …
01:08:04w1ll14mbersace: true, it's the same as i don't want to decode my MP3 to 192kbps instead of 320kpbs it would be a week of encoding mp3
01:08:33 Part redwood
01:08:40w1ll14mso i tuned my ipod a bit (still stable haven't got any crash even with most plugins)
01:08:56Soapany good tag program can batch convert tags/filenames very quickly.
01:09:40linuxstb_BiptoN: The value (0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult<<8)) is written to memory address 0x60006034. So basically 0xaa020nn8, where nn is postmult. Beyond that, I can't explain - it's black magic from IPL without any documentation.
01:09:40w1ll14mid3tagit is licensed under GPL and works fine (altough i don't know if it supports batch convert)
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01:10:38bersacew1ll14m, Soap, i use rhythmbox, and don't want to loas all my playlist/song notes/… just for a dumb FS :)
01:11:25w1ll14mbersace: hmmm that's indeed a little complicated then i would suggest try to port ext3 into rockbox and it's bootloader
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01:11:58w1ll14mbersace: in your case it loks like it would be a lot of work to rename all files....
01:13:03brainiac_ghost is certainly intuitive and cool
01:13:42bersacethe problem is also : i want to have my iPod sync with my library, not a special version. Everyone
01:13:54amiconnbersace: I don't understand the problem. vfat can hold all unicode filenames...
01:13:55bersacewait this feature : easy sync
01:14:14bersaceamiconn: one more time : the problem is not unicode
01:14:26amiconn...but... ?
01:15:06w1ll14mbrainiac_ghost: i use gentoo linux, it has a very nice cross compiler suport and wrapper etc. :)
01:15:27bersaceamiconn: see the log
01:15:50brainiac_ghostw1ll14m, ooh, another gentooer (well, i am an ex-gentooer)
01:15:53amiconnI checked the log, but either I missed something important, or I don't understand what you mean with "special" names
01:16:24linuxstb_Maybe ?, <, >, : etc?
01:16:52bersacelinuxstb_: right
01:17:06w1ll14mbrainiac_ghost: lol..... whahaha i still like gentoo linux distro's is always about which one you like the most is the best:)
01:17:22brainiac_ghostw1ll14m, i use windows (gaming support)
01:17:29Soap*nix doesn't automaticly rename such files when copying to a FAT FS?
01:17:35brainiac_ghostw1ll14m, i'll use linux when i get another PC
01:17:45amiconnlinuxstb, bersace: These chars have the same special meaning in the linux shell(s) as they have in the windows shell afaik
01:17:46w1ll14mbrainiac: i have a windows computer too... it's 4 linux against 1 windows :)
01:18:03brainiac_ghosti'm off
01:18:05linuxstb_amiconn: Yes, but you can escape them and use them in filenames.
01:18:07bersaceamiconn: but on UNIX, you just escape such char
01:18:16bersacelinuxstb_: right :)
01:18:19w1ll14mbrainiac: Cya :)
01:18:28bersacebrainiac_ghost: ciao
01:18:38linuxstb_No difference to having spaces in filenames.
01:18:56amiconnbersace: VFAT (long file names on fat) does allow the 5 mentioned chars
01:19:37bersacereally ?
01:19:40amiconnThere are exactly 6 special chars (out of the whole unicode BMP) which aren't allowed: + , ; = [ ]
01:19:52amiconnAll others are allowed by the filesystem
01:19:57bersaceok, that's the same
01:20:02bersaceon Unix, only '/' is forbidden
01:20:25Soapis not ? reserved as a wildcard?
01:20:31amiconnNot by the fs
01:20:43bersaceSoap: no
01:20:47bersacelike space
01:21:52amiconnBlah, scrap those 6 chars
01:21:55w1ll14mwhen i listen to this music.... i miss 1995 a little :| i was 6 years old back then :)
01:22:02*amiconn cannot read the specs properly :/
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01:22:35amiconnnow != not
01:24:35amiconnSorry, those special chars aren't allowed in vfat
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01:26:44w1ll14mwhy would you want to use such complicated filenames ?
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01:27:07linuxstb_A ? is very common in song names.
01:27:46amiconnlinuxstb: True, but that's what tags are for imho
01:27:57amiconnFilenames containing strange characters aren't portable
01:28:09linuxstb_I don't need portability....
01:28:21w1ll14mlinuxstb_: about '?' it's true that one should be supported, but '=' and '%' etc i wouldn't like to use those
01:28:44linuxstb_Although I don't need ? in filenames enough to want to implement a new filesystem...
01:29:02amiconnThe following chars aren't allowed on vfat if I didn't overlook one: "*/:<>?\|
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01:29:37Soapa shell/perl script to strip illegal characters from filenames and playlists during transfer would be so small.
01:29:38w1ll14mamiconn: so vfat isn't the solution for '?' in file names....
01:30:24w1ll14mSoap: would be a simple solution to this problem ....
01:30:32amiconnMaybe *nix does allow such chars, but grip is even more paranoid about filenames in its default configuration than any windows cd ripper
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01:30:47w1ll14mSoap: but whith what characters would you replace those ?
01:31:02Soapw1ll14m: spaces or no character at all.
01:31:09amiconnw1ll14m: I usually just drop illegal chars like ?
01:31:58w1ll14mSoap, amiconn: Ok, that's possible
01:32:16w1ll14mwhen i have a file with illegal characters, i change then name manualy
01:32:19amiconnBtw, even though the fat32 sepcs say " isn't allowed, I do have such files and neither linux nor rockbox nor windows complained
01:32:51Soapare you sure it isn't two single quotes you are seeing?
01:32:52w1ll14mi use an roku soundbridge with firefly as server and the files are stored on my windows partition and mounted via smb to linux machine running firefly
01:33:01amiconnSoap: I am sure
01:33:03pixelmaI've als seen * in filenames...
01:33:10amiconnI created those files myself
01:33:15pixelma(which wasn't a problem)
01:33:18w1ll14mso when i add new music i change the filenames manual
01:34:00pixelmaah... no - sorry I take that back
01:34:35JonnoA * in a filename should definitely create a problem, no matter what the system, as a * is recognised as a wildcard
01:34:56linuxstb_\* isn't a wildcard...
01:35:07w1ll14mlinuxstv: that's true
01:35:15JonnoWell, ok ^^.
01:35:44w1ll14mlinuxstb: rockbox didn't support that because fat32, is thath true?
01:35:46linuxstb_"touch \*" works fine for me (on my ibook with HFS+ and Linux with ext3)
01:36:38linuxstb_w1ll14m: Support what?
01:37:00w1ll14mwould a raw filesystem be some kind of sulotion ? as it can be read from almost every platform (maybe with drivers but... )
01:37:24w1ll14mi don't know what about raw filesystem vs special characters.....
01:37:48w1ll14mlinuxstb: \* support @ fat32
01:38:08w1ll14minstead of * in a filename
01:38:18linuxstb_Yes, FAT32 doesn't allow *.
01:38:22w1ll14mahh ok
01:38:26w1ll14mthought so :)
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01:38:40amiconnlinuxstb: Did you try this on a fat32 partition in linux?
01:38:50linuxstb_Yes - doesn't work.
01:38:53amiconnI guess it's more a problem of the os/shell than the fs
01:39:07bersaceamiconn: according to wikipedia ( ) " * / : < > ? \ | are not supported
01:39:18preglowit's a really nasty character to use for any file system
01:39:22w1ll14mlol i created a 320GByte fat32 partition on linux... and ofcourse windows coulnd't read it..
01:39:35amiconnbersace: Yes, but e.g. " definitely does work, contrary to the specs
01:39:52bersacew1ll14m: lol
01:40:14bersaceamiconn: foss software are know to follow the specs
01:40:20 Quit Criamos ("( :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: )")
01:40:37bersaceor else, why do we need specs
01:40:51w1ll14mwell guys.... gotta sleep, tomorrow i have to go 10:00 out of bed. so :) it's now 1:40 :|
01:41:12w1ll14m'll see you later Dudes :)
01:41:17w1ll14mand Rockon !! :)
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01:42:00GodEaterLinusN or Bagder still awake ?
01:42:41linuxstb_GodEater: They rarely are this time of the night.
01:42:56GodEaterheh - I rarely am myself ;)
01:43:07GodEateroh well - I'll let them know the good news tomorrow then
01:43:18GodEaterPositive Internet have agreed to give us a build server on their network
01:43:26GodEaterfree hardware and free bandwidth ;)
01:43:40pixelmaGodEater: Bagder had a message to you about your server a while ago...
01:43:46webguest02where else can u get rockbox themes or some cool programs for it
01:44:00GodEaterpixelma: in the logs somewhere ?
01:44:16pixelmayes... must be somewhere
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01:44:34Mouser_Xwebguest02: Where have you looked so far?
01:44:38linuxstb_GodEater: You just need to checkout svn in the ~rbclient home directory. i.e. ~rbclient/apps, ~rbclient/firmware etc.
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01:44:49Soapwebguest02: themes are avaliable on the website (in the wiki), and all cool programs ship with it.
01:45:04GodEaterthought I already did that =/
01:45:22GodEateryeah - they're all there already
01:45:23Mouser_Xwebguest02: Also, additional programs are patches, and must be compiled (aka, built) with Rockbox. You can't really download them seperately.
01:45:45linuxstb_GodEater: Does "svn up" work in ~rbclient/ ? (as user rbclient)
01:46:13GodEaterI'm guessing "Skipped '.' " means no =/
01:46:15webguest02just rockbox forums and site
01:46:50bersacehi all
01:46:56webguest02what up mouser
01:46:59webguest02ive been there
01:47:01webguest02any more
01:47:06webguest02u helped me last night needs to die.
01:47:13GodEaterI did the same thing as was specified for the cvs build server
01:47:14Mouser_Xwebguest02: Not that I know of
01:47:16GodEaterdid a checkout
01:47:20bersacei suggest to use fapg : fast playlist generator
01:47:23linuxstb_Soap: Why?
01:47:27webguest02or whatever
01:47:28GodEaterand then moved the rockbox directory contents up to ~rbclient
01:47:28bersaceinstead of manual cmd line
01:47:45Soaplinuxstb_: the division of themes amongst two seperate sites is silly, IMHOI.
01:47:50Soap(minus the L)
01:47:57SoapI even
01:48:02linuxstb_Then delete the wiki versions...
01:48:32Mouser_XPersonally, I don't want to sign up on the Wiki just to submit a WPS/theme.
01:48:55Mouser_XIf I ever submit something, I'll have someone else post it for me.
01:48:57Soapam I sensing that is yours linuxstb_ ?
01:49:09linuxstb_Not at all. But I think it's nicer than the wiki.
01:49:18linuxstb_In fact I have no idea who runs it...
01:49:32scorchei have been trying to figure that out for a while now...
01:49:34pixelmait's redbreva's IIRC
01:50:02GodEaterI also think it's better organised than the wiki
01:50:04Soapwhat do you like better about it, maybe I can clean up the wiki copy.
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01:50:30FebsI've been thinking that it would be useful if Rockbox could automatically load a .cfg file located in a directory when it plays songs from that directory.
01:50:44FebsThat would, for example, allow directory-based EQ presets.
01:50:49linuxstb_Soap: The fact that it's a database, and (I assume) moderated in some way.
01:50:55GodEaterlinuxstb: fixed it - svn up works now
01:51:08GodEaterI'd not moved the .svn directory previously
01:51:13FebsI'm not sure how feasible this is, but I thought that I would put the idea out there.
01:51:49Mikachusounds like it would require a disk spinup on every song change
01:52:04linuxstb_on every directory change...
01:52:47Mikachuif you're going to listen to songs from a single directory it's not much trouble to click the cfg manually first, i was assuming shuffle over many dirs
01:53:20Mouser_XI don't think I've ever used the shuffling feature.
01:53:23linuxstb_I think the only clean way would be to buffer the .cfg file in the audio buffer...
01:53:27Mouser_XOr Crossfading.
01:53:30GodEaterright - I'm off to bed. Hope my build server is okay now.
01:53:43amiconnHmm, strange
01:53:45Mikachui use the insert shuffled, rather than shuffle at playback time
01:53:51Mouser_X(Meaning, of any music/media player, at all.)
01:54:03*amiconn wonders how he managed to put a " in a fat file name before
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01:54:26linuxstb_In Rockbox?
01:54:34amiconnRockbox can do that, and windows even shows it in explorer, but cannot open the file
01:54:40linuxstb_I've just checked, and Linux doesn't allow it.
01:54:45Mikachudoes fat really not support such chars, or is it just an artificial limitation to make windows happy?
01:54:57Mikachuit's super annoying when copying over files
01:55:07amiconnMikachu: Judging from the data structures it's an artificial limitation
01:55:23*Mikachu reads man mount section vfat
01:57:37Mikachudoesn't seem to be a switch for it there, didn't think so either
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01:58:37linuxstb_Guess you could hack the Linux vfat driver...
01:58:54Mikachui already have namei.c open in gvim :)
01:58:54jdongwhat's the technical reason for why I can't move the audio thread on my iPod to the coprocessor?
01:59:10jdongfrom trial-and-error it causes lockups when attempting playback :)
01:59:18linuxstb_Probably the cache.
02:00:12w1ll14m|awayjdong: why do you want to move the audio thread to COP ?
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02:00:20bersaceseems that vfat perf are very slow compared to ext
02:00:32bersaceor hfs+
02:00:33amiconnlinuxstb: Either the cache or the fiq
02:00:34jdongw1ll14m: in an attempt to make the UI more responsive...
02:00:40w1ll14mcouln't sleep btw....
02:00:59jdongtrying to give the UI its own processor basically...
02:01:03Mikachuupdate_dotdot, variable name of the day
02:01:05amiconnDoesn't the audio thread configure the fiq? Interrupts aren't enabled on the cop...
02:01:23w1ll14mjdong: whats your target ?
02:01:30jdongipod 5G
02:01:37jdong(I have a5.5G 30GB ipod)
02:01:49webguest02any other sites for themes besides rockbox
02:02:07linuxstb_Yes, the FIQ is configured for the main CPU. I would hope the kernel-on-cop code enables interrupts on the cop, but the FIQ shouldn't be enabled.
02:02:15w1ll14mjdong: you can try this, works fine for me..
02:02:45w1ll14mlinuxstb: whats FIQ ?
02:03:04w1ll14mI've never heard of it....
02:03:22webguest02any other sites with themes for rockbox
02:03:28jdongand another question, for the USB buttonpress for connection patch
02:03:40jdong(that makes charging default rather than rebooting into diskmode)....
02:03:40linuxstb_amiconn: Ah, yes. The FIQ is configured in the PP control registers for the main CPU, but the audio thread enables it for the current CPU. So yes, it won't work.
02:03:44w1ll14mjdong: true
02:03:48jdongit works in all cases except when USB is plugged in at bootup
02:03:56w1ll14mjdong:also true
02:04:05jdongwhy is the bootup case different
02:04:16jdong(sorry I'm asking all these questions; please let me be lazy on a friday night :D)
02:04:18linuxstb_w1ll14m: Fast Interrupt - it's used to feed data to the DAC.
02:04:25w1ll14mjdong: when you connect usb and press menu at the same time it boots to diskmode
02:04:36w1ll14mlinuxstb: ok
02:04:42jdongw1ll14m: if I boot up my iPod with the USB attached, it'll reboot into disk mode
02:04:53jdongeven though if I plug it in at any other time, it'll stay in rockbox and charge
02:05:19jdongI'm guessing it could be that the USB is detected before Rockbox loads its settings?
02:05:31w1ll14mjdong: that's normal what rockbox does, the patch only add functionality for use in rockbox (i guess)
02:05:34Mikachuhah, victory is mine
02:05:40Mikachu2007-01-13 02:05 'ipod/?'
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02:05:45*jdong tests theory
02:05:48w1ll14mlinuxstb: so audio could never run on COP
02:06:06linuxstb_w1ll14m: Yes, but you need to configure the FIQ correctly.
02:06:19linuxstb_Plus deal with the probably cache coherency issues as well.
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02:06:38stevenmHey guys. I been out of the loop for a while, and never looked at the DSP code anyway
02:06:42w1ll14mlinuxstb: ok, well that's a little to complicated for me yet :)
02:06:47stevenmBut question- does rockbox support Surround type effects?
02:07:15w1ll14mstevenm: it does supports stereo width
02:07:20jdongyes, my theory was correct :)
02:07:22stevenmIe, do we have an effect for making the music sound more 3D? In the sense that a sound card's 3D controls would do it
02:07:25linuxstb_Plus crossfeed.
02:07:28w1ll14mjdon: hahah true ;)
02:07:33jdongstatic bool usb_powerbutton_for_connect = false;
02:07:35stevenmw1ll14m, aah ok
02:07:37jdongfalse needs to be true :)
02:07:50stevenmIs the stereo stuff implemented using adjusting the volume disparity of left/right channels, or some other way?
02:07:53jdongrockbox detects USB on startup BEFORE its settings load :)
02:08:19Mikachujdong: i inverted the check for the button press, ie holding menu goes to diskmode and not charges
02:08:21w1ll14mjdong: that was my theory too :)
02:08:35jdongMikachu: ah, you're the one who made the patch?
02:08:43Mikachuno i just mean what i did for myself
02:08:50jdongah ok
02:09:00amiconnjdong: rockbox does detect usb even before initialising ata
02:09:18stevenmI've been playing with this little sound program, and introducing small delays for certain frequencies on the left and right produces some very nice surround-like effects
02:09:22amiconnThat's for safety reasons (although not strictly needed on ipods)
02:09:44jdongamiconn: makes sense, thanks for the info :)
02:10:08stevenmMaybe that is how SRS WOW works or whatever, and we could implement that.. Maybe split left/right output into several bands, delay each a slightly different amount, and recombine
02:10:08w1ll14mi am planning to buy a 60GB ipod 5g :)
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02:11:19w1ll14m30GB ipod is full :| only hardcore is allready 26GB ;)
02:11:34XeRiUMhey if i plugin USB on my ipod, i wont lose my saved pokemon games n stuff will i?
02:12:02Mikachuw1ll14m: oggenc -q2 *
02:12:03jdongwhat thread does the software EQ?
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02:12:16jdongaudio? codec?
02:12:17webguest94hi all
02:12:19w1ll14mxerieum:if you have usb button press patch, and you have configured it in gui
02:12:21x1jmpdo the << and >> operators care of endianess?
02:12:56webguest94is it possible to connect the ipod with wlan-usb
02:12:57w1ll14mmikachu: lol takes weeks to re-encode music.... i can get a brand new ipod 60 gb for 250 euro's
02:13:07XeRiUMhmm i dont think i understood that will :(
02:13:14w1ll14mjdong: correct
02:13:14jdongwebguest94: what do you mean?
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02:13:33jdongw1ll14m: correct? which thread is it?
02:13:47w1ll14mxerium: you have to patch rockbox with a special patch to disable usb reboot
02:14:12jdongw1ll14m: so I should move scroll over to the COP :D
02:14:13w1ll14mjdong: i use a very heavy soft+hard eq
02:14:28w1ll14mjdong: it's very diffcult to move audio
02:14:29XeRiUMoh, where is the patch?
02:14:35w1ll14mjdong:i've tried it....
02:14:42jdongw1ll14m: I shall do the opposite then
02:14:51jdongmove as much of the other stuff to the COP as it allows
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02:15:40webguest94ipod+wlan usb =tu use webradio
02:15:42w1ll14mjdong:i've overcloacked my ipod a little
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02:15:52linuxstb_XeRiUM: What exactly are you worried about?
02:15:53jdongw1ll14m: I'm not gonna resort to that yet ;-)
02:15:54XeRiUMthanks will
02:16:11w1ll14mjdong: wel i thought i will just give it a try :)
02:16:12jdongwebguest94: you mean connect a USB wireless card to the iPod?
02:16:19w1ll14mno prob xerrium
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02:16:35jdongwebguest94: (1) USB host (OTG) mode is not working in rockbox
02:16:45webguest94router wlan usb wlan ipod webradio system with rockbox
02:16:49jdong(2) No wireless stack or drivers are in Rockbox or have been developed in any way with Rockbox
02:16:56jdong(3) no TCP/IP stack in Rockbox
02:17:05jdongthis is Rockbox, not iPodLinux :D
02:17:33jdongwhich LCD driver is for iPod 5G?
02:17:34webguest94yes but ipod 5.5g 30gb and ipodlinux =bad does`t work
02:17:47jdongwebguest94: I know. I have a 5.5G/30GB
02:17:57webguest94rockbox work well
02:18:13w1ll14mwebguest94:that's gonna be a problem i think.....
02:18:14jdongwebguest94: just saying it's unlikely that a networking stack, much less wifi, will be available for Rockbox anytime soon
02:18:25w1ll14mjdong: i agree
02:18:30XeRiUMw1ll14m: whenever i enable the usb connection to take place, it is going to reboot?
02:18:57jdongwebguest94: IMO it's much more hopeful that iPodLinux will gain 5.5G support in the near future. much more hopeful than rockbox being networkable :D
02:19:10w1ll14mxerium: if you have usb plugged in while bootin rockbox it will reboot to diskmode
02:19:17linuxstb_Yes, but IPL doesn't have a USB driver either...
02:19:22webguest94okay okay i understand but it ist possible
02:19:37jdongXeRiUM: unless you do the change I just described 5 minutes ago
02:19:52linuxstb_Or simply hold MENU whilst inserting the cable...
02:20:04jdonglinuxstb_: that's a PITA to do at bootup :D
02:20:07w1ll14mxerieum, linuxstb: indeed
02:20:25jdongXeRiUM: firmware/usb.c, static bool usb_powerbutton_for_connect = false;
02:20:29jdongXeRiUM: change false to true
02:20:39jdong(after applying the buttonpress patch of course)
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02:20:56XeRiUMwhere do i find that line of code?
02:21:10jdongXeRiUM: firmware/usb.c
02:21:11w1ll14mxerieum: open a text editor
02:21:17XeRiUMah ok
02:21:22jdongaround line 93
02:21:24XeRiUMsry for being an idiot :)
02:21:33jdongnp, I'm an idiot too :)
02:21:40w1ll14mxerieum: me too ;)
02:22:06*jdong had fun making a bzr branch out of the new SVN rockbox repo
02:22:12w1ll14mi mean ... i must be an idiot when you overcloack your ipod :)
02:22:14jdongI would make it available online, but it's a whopping 200MB :)
02:22:28w1ll14mjdong:thats heavy ;)
02:22:30jdong(and for those who ask why, for easier management of patches)
02:22:51jdongw1ll14m: I help around a bit on bzr, and they needed some testers for the bzr-svn plugin :D
02:23:12w1ll14mbzr stands for ?
02:23:33XeRiUMok another stupid question, how do i get the patch on?
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02:24:06w1ll14mxerieum download patch place in rockbox root then cat patch.diff | patch -p0
02:24:15w1ll14mor -p1
02:24:19jdongw1ll14m: bazaar-NG, a new-fangled distributed revision control system
02:24:33w1ll14mjdong: url ?
02:24:49XeRiUMrockbox root is the file called .rockbox on my ipod right? or is that my C:\rockbox
02:25:00jdongw1ll14m: bzr is at
02:25:08w1ll14mxerieum: you need rockbox cvs
02:25:30w1ll14mxerieum: then patch and compile your own custom rockbox
02:25:33Mikachuw1ll14m: svn
02:25:40jdongw1ll14m: I will publish a mirror of rockbox SVN in bzr as soon as one of my hosters doesn't mind about 200MB of usage :D
02:25:42w1ll14msvn :) sorry ;)
02:25:56jdongMikachu: cvs, svn, interchangeable terminology :)
02:26:01w1ll14mjdong: whahaha i have my own hosting.....
02:26:04Mikachujdong: do you really need to save all previous history in that repo?
02:26:23jdongMikachu: that's what the bzr-svn plugin does, and it was the simplest way to make a bzr mirror
02:26:26Mikachuit's 5 years worth
02:26:30w1ll14mi own a 22MBIT down + 2 MBIT up connection :) cable
02:26:40jdongMikachu: but no, I don't need all 11000 freakin revisions :)
02:26:49Mikachuw1ll14m: i have 100 both ways
02:26:55XeRiUMw1ll14m: ok so i need to completely take rockbox off, and start over again with rockbox cvs?
02:26:59jdongw1ll14m: I have a similar connection too but TOS restricts me heavily
02:27:08jdongXeRiUM: no
02:27:20jdongXeRiUM: rockbox CVS allows you to build your own file
02:27:21w1ll14mmikachu: damn that's hot :)
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02:27:30jdongXeRiUM: which you then extract onto your iPod like any other
02:27:33jdongyou can overwrite
02:27:36jdongno need to remove
02:27:37w1ll14mjdong: i only have a ristriction on port 25
02:27:38XeRiUMoh ok
02:27:39Mikachuw1ll14m: standard swedish connection :) 6$/month
02:27:53jdongw1ll14m: lucky lucky; my ISP does periodic portscans
02:27:59w1ll14mjdong: whahaha :)
02:28:09Mikachujdong: can't you just block their ip? :)
02:28:10jdongw1ll14m: I can get away with SSH on a disguised port, but that's about it
02:28:19w1ll14mjdong: indeed lucky .... but my ISP allows that kind a stuff except an SMTP server
02:28:20jdongMikachu: I have actually tried that before
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02:28:28jdongMikachu: they zapped my connection 6 hours later
02:28:50w1ll14mjdong: what do you have internet for in that case..... :|
02:29:07jdongw1ll14m: I just can't run servers; anything else is fair game :)
02:29:16jdongfortunately I have hosting space set out here and there
02:29:30BiptoNwhere do I pull up the log for this conversation guys?
02:29:32w1ll14mjdong: i would kill my self if i couldn't run my own servers :)
02:29:54jdongw1ll14m: they let it slide usually, unless you start using your upload heavily
02:30:07jdongw1ll14m: i.e. right now Apache is running on my server/router
02:30:18jdongbut the moment I start serving a 200MB file, they'll start complaining
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02:30:39Mikachusometimes i have my upstream at 5MB/s for days :)
02:30:42debauched_slothis there someone here who can post a file to
02:30:54w1ll14mjdong: check
02:31:03debauched_slothI have a patch I need to check in and it requires a new bootloader and the prebuilt one posted there will no longer work
02:31:08w1ll14mthis is a day i've been very quit in the net....
02:31:28XeRiUMmaybe i dont need to get CVS and bootplug thing cause i just tried plugging it in then taking it back out, and my pokemon file was the same
02:31:47jdongw1ll14m: SHHHH don't tell my ISP :D
02:31:49*bersace is spending hours renameing tons of ogg :(
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02:32:05*bersace is spending hours copying to vfat …
02:32:12XeRiUMi must say though, pokemon drinka my battery
02:32:28jdongXeRiUM: rockbox eats batteries for lunch period
02:32:32jdongon the iPod that is
02:33:00XeRiUMhaha yea
02:33:03jdongbut for me it's worth it :)
02:33:07w1ll14mjdong:indeed..... when you use a nice theme + soft eq then you battery lives for about 2 till 4 hours....
02:33:15w1ll14mjdong: for me too ;)
02:33:30jdongthere are times where I'll use original firmware for music listening though
02:33:30LithiumTRAny idea on what to do on an iPod that won't wake up after a shutdown?
02:33:31XeRiUMw1ll41m or jdong, which themes you guys use?
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02:33:36jdongi.e. like I know I won't have a charger after a few hours
02:33:45w1ll14mjdon: i don't use stock firmware anymore....
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02:33:49jdongLithiumTR: attempt a reset procedure several times
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02:33:56jdongw1ll14m: video playback is still an important feature for me
02:34:27jdongLithiumTR: your ipod might be off but it'll still listen :)
02:34:30w1ll14mjdong: that's true, i am also a proud owner of an psp :) running firmware 303 OE-B
02:34:42jdongw1ll14m: well, then that's why :)
02:34:50jdongI still use my ipod for my video on the go needs
02:34:59jdongand appreciate my ability to play back H.264 :)
02:35:07w1ll14mlithiumtr: try to reboot ipod menu+hold
02:35:11*bersace should spend hours implemented a ext3 version of rockbox :P
02:35:16w1ll14mjdong: lo l;)
02:35:28jdongbersace: why on earth? :D
02:35:30w1ll14mjdong:psp supports homebrew ;)
02:35:46jdongbersace: you lose windows and OSX compatibility....
02:36:00jdongand ext3 is considerably more complex than VFAT
02:36:03*linuxstb_ suspects it would be weeks, not hours...
02:36:06jdongI hope your rockbox won't be journaling :D
02:36:11w1ll14mjdong: not true, ext3 drivers are availible for windows :)
02:36:17bersacejdong: i don't use windows
02:36:17*jdong suspects it'll be months
02:36:20w1ll14mand probably mac too ;)
02:36:26jdongw1ll14m: not true, half-working ext2 drivers are availabe for Windows
02:36:35jdongw1ll14m: they SUCK when dealing with removable media
02:36:35bersacetiger has ext3 driver, but far unstable
02:36:38*preglow discovers the niceness of valgrind
02:36:39w1ll14mjdong: correct they also work with ext3 :)
02:36:49jdongw1ll14m: yes, but they are ext2 drivers
02:36:55jdongi.e. they will not mount ext3's with unclean journals
02:37:01w1ll14mjdong: to me it's useless to use ext2/3 at windows...
02:37:18jdongw1ll14m: the only reason I'd use it is to pull data off an ext3 partition
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02:37:20w1ll14mwas playing with it when i set up iSCSI
02:37:21bersaceexpecially if you don't own a license
02:37:33linuxstb_LithiumTR: Keep charging it, and trying MENU+SELECT
02:37:48jdongLithiumTR: flick hold on then off, then menu+select
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02:37:52MikachuLithiumTR: and making sure hold is off
02:37:59jdongLithiumTR: hold the two buttons down until your fingers get sore :)
02:38:08LithiumTRIt rebooted in the end
02:38:20LithiumTRlinuxstb_, my iPod shuts down now, any light on this?
02:38:24w1ll14mbut it did rebooted ;)
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02:38:32jdongLithiumTR: low battery?
02:38:37w1ll14msometimes in my old custom builds i had this problem too..
02:38:39linuxstb_LithiumTR: No, that just adds to the mystery...
02:39:00LithiumTR20070112/latest build shuts down fine
02:39:15Mikachuif it's low on charge it might succeed starting up then run out of power again after a few seconds
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02:39:48w1ll14mif i don't have enough power ll reboot into diskmode to charge
02:39:55w1ll14melse ll use my firewire charger :)
02:40:05w1ll14mblows 12 volts into ipod and charges nice and fast
02:40:41w1ll14mi'm gonna give my sleep another try :) sleep wel dudes.....
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02:40:50Mikachudon't you mean 4w4y?
02:40:51LithiumTRCiao w1ll14m|away
02:40:55*jdong has a USB chipset that pumps out the full 500mA to unregistered devices
02:40:56LithiumTRMikachu, 1337
02:41:07Mikachuto go with the rest of his nick
02:41:10EpidemicHey, quick question... I put IPL on my 5th gen ipod, and put rockbox on it... I have rockbox at the boot menu, and if I select rockbox, it goes to a menu with calendar contacts etc... When I select rockbox, it shows a rockbox screen, and then goes back to the same menu... am I just doing something stupid or what?
02:41:37linuxstb_That's the file browser, not a menu.
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02:42:06linuxstb_Press MENU to bring up the menu.
02:42:16linuxstb_And read the manual...
02:42:55LithiumTRWhat's the best way to make sure when you update the Rockbox database that it's actually finished updating
02:42:57preglowjdong: most chipsets do that
02:43:09LithiumTRI'll probably get abused, but at the moment I listen to the disk to see if it's stopped spinning
02:43:16jdongpreglow: well FWIW my Nforce3 desktop does not
02:43:24jdongit will leak a slow 100mA
02:43:31preglowjdong: probably just cheaper to not include the current limiters
02:43:31Epidemiceither way it doesn't show my music...
02:43:35BiptoNfejfighter: thank you
02:43:45jdongpreglow: I wish more mobos would do that :D
02:43:55linuxstb_Unless you're running a theme that disables it, there is a disk activity icon in the status bar.
02:43:58jdongmakes it easier to power my random USB gadgets too
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02:44:19Mouser_XEpidemic: What format is your music in?
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02:44:31Mouser_XWhat files are you looking for?
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02:44:46bersacedoes rockbox support skin or similar ?
02:44:51EpidemicMouser_X: MP3... it was put on the ipod with itunes :-/
02:44:53bersacedoes rockbox support video ?
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02:45:05Mouser_XEpidemic: That's your problem.
02:45:05LithiumTRIs there a rapid/quick/slightly fast way of scrolling with an iPod through a list of 2,200 songs?
02:45:15jdongbersace: not really
02:45:17EpidemicMouser_X: guess you can't do that huh?
02:45:24SoapLithiumTR: 2,200 songs in one directory?
02:45:30Mouser_XEpidemic: iTunes messes filenames beyond recognition.
02:45:41MikachuLithiumTR: mkdir
02:45:41jdongbersace: it does play elementary mpeg1/2+mp3 audio with some serious limitations
02:45:51LithiumTRSoap: No, I'm using the database view > artists
02:45:51jdongbersace: so no, it's not gonna be better than OEM firmware in terms of video
02:46:02bersacenot a problem
02:46:10bersacehowever, about skin
02:46:16bersacedoes rockbox allow nice UI ?
02:46:23Mouser_XEpidemic: The tags (ID3 and such) are in place though, so you can rename them with the right software. However, they're in a different directory. Read the FAQ that you were linked to.
02:46:27jdongbersace: absolutely
02:46:38jdongbersace: look on the rockbox website, there's pages dedicated to themes
02:46:52bersaceok, thanks
02:47:09EpidemicMouser_X: it's easier to just delete the folders that have the songs in them and just transfer the mp3s over...
02:47:15jdongLithiumTR: oh god, that many files, no way
02:47:29jdongLithiumTR: the closest you'll get is the scroll acceleration patches
02:47:34LithiumTRjdong, thanks
02:47:41jdongLithiumTR: but even those lag pretty badly in that extreme a case
02:47:45Mouser_XEpidemic: Yes, it is. That's what I'd suggest, if you have that option.
02:48:30LithiumTRAt the moment I've given up accessing anything past Eurythmics
02:48:39linuxstb_Epidemic: Or use the Rockbox database feature that will present you with a similar interface to your music as the Apple firmware.
02:48:42EpidemicMouser_X: what I don't get though, is that what can it be setup to read the MP3s and forget about the DRM files... it wouldn't be that hard to do...
02:48:44Soap2,200 artists?
02:48:49LithiumTRSoap, 2,200 songs
02:48:55LithiumTRNot sure on the artist number
02:48:58LithiumTRA few hundred
02:49:05bersacejdong: are themes just foreground/background ?
02:49:10Soapso when you view by artist you get a few hundred listings?
02:49:20LithiumTRYeah, a list
02:49:26jdongbersace: background, colors, fonts for the menus; total configurability for the while-playing-screen
02:49:55jdongbersace: the degree that you can customize the WPS is just amazing :)
02:50:21LithiumTRjdong, any idea on the lack of the artist tag display on my WPS?
02:50:28LithiumTREven if the files are tagged
02:50:32jdongno idea :-/
02:50:39jdongLithiumTR: I'm very much a rockbox newbie :)
02:50:42bersaceis there a section about themes in the manual ?
02:50:46LithiumTRI got the impression you were an expert
02:51:02LithiumTRYour nick should be jdong|leet
02:51:24jdongnaw, I'm a linux nerd / student by trade :D
02:51:33jdongI started using Rockbox like 2 weeks ago
02:51:33LithiumTRSounds similar to me
02:51:39zylche...So we're all tradesmen now?!
02:51:47SoapLithiumTR: how are the files tagged? id3v2.4? UTF-16? Artist or Album Artist tag?
02:51:49jdongzylche: so it seems :)
02:51:56zylcheDamn, we need a union or something.
02:52:05SoapAPE tags??
02:52:28zylchethat sounds as useful as NSFW tags.
02:52:30Soapare you sure of the tags?
02:52:45LithiumTRSoap, ID3 v2, artist tag, UTF8
02:53:01LithiumTRThe tags are fine, mpd in Linux, foobar2000 when I brave Winshit read them fine
02:53:06linuxstbLithiumTR: Do the tags display with the default WPS?
02:53:14LithiumTRThe tags display for certain songs
02:53:18Soapfoobar can read the dead sea scrolls, it is no test of proper tags.
02:53:34LithiumTRNo, not in the default WPS either
02:53:44LithiumTRAny song without an album tag won't display the artist
02:53:49Epidemichmm, i'm still confused... I converted the database or whatever, trasnfered the files that needed to be transfered, and when I go into the file browser, still nothing...
02:53:56linuxstbDo you have the id3v1/v2 priority set to id3v2?
02:53:59LithiumTRWell, without an album/genre tag
02:54:06LithiumTRlinuxstb, The priory is v2, yes
02:54:17SoapLithiumTR: I've never experienced such an issue - do you mind sending me part of an offending file (tags intact)?
02:54:19MikachuEpidemic: you have to select database/id3 view too
02:54:27LithiumTRSoap, no problem
02:54:45linuxstbEpidemic: Are you following the instructions in the manual?
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02:56:03Epidemiccan't find it in the manual...
02:56:09Epidemicunless i'm looking at the wrong manual
02:56:35linuxstbWhich manual are you looking at?
02:57:17linuxstbGo to Chapter 4 - Browsing and Playing, then the Database section.
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02:57:42bersacewahouuu !
02:57:55bersaceis it possible to have the album cover ?
02:58:03bersaceis the patch merged ?
02:58:05bersacethat's very nice !
02:58:24bersacei hate iPod which require to buy music in iTunes in order to get Album cover !
02:58:36Epidemicok, it's initializing
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03:00:26XeRiUMi agree bersace
03:01:04Soapbersace: you are not required to buy music in iTunes to get album cover!
03:01:18XeRiUMyea you can just drag it
03:01:18bersaceSoap: how to get them so ?
03:01:39XeRiUMbersace: bottom left corner when you select a song
03:01:42Epidemichmm, weird... I did intialize... it stopped using the hard-drive now... but it still says database not ready :-/
03:01:49Soapdrag it onto the files, use anapod and folder.jpgs, download it for free form apple, any of a dozen ways.
03:01:56Soapfrom even
03:02:40bersacei prefer the rhythmbox automatic behaviour !
03:02:40SoapEpidemic: reboot.
03:02:43linuxstbEpidemic: Shut down your ipod (hold PLAY for a few seconds), and then restart.
03:02:51Soapyea, _cleanly_ reboot.
03:03:21Epidemicthat worked :)
03:03:33bersacehow to install a theme ?
03:03:47bersacedoes a theme include WPS or is it seperated ?
03:03:54linuxstbJust unzip the files onto your ipod.
03:04:00XeRiUMbersace: download it, look at contents of folder and place them in .rockbox in correspodning folders
03:04:02Soapbersace: can - doesn't have to.
03:04:27XeRiUMi use the supermario theme :D
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03:04:36XeRiUMedited it a bunch though
03:05:46bersacewhat are .wps file ? is it wrong if the tarball does not provide such file ?
03:06:43Epidemicis it possible to make the rockbox file browser a little prettier? :)
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03:07:40XeRiUM.wps file is a while playing screen file i believe
03:08:23linuxstbEpidemic: You can change the font, set a background image, change the font colour.
03:08:45linuxstbThat fine manual should mention it...
03:09:38BiptoNlinuxstb: thanks for answering me back when
03:09:48BiptoNi had to up and ski-daddle from my machine for a bit
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03:11:40XeRiUMfor the fonts file, i have to make my own in the .rockbox directory correct?
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03:14:05debauched_slot1Is there someone who can grant me write access to the Wiki?
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03:17:43bersacewahooo !
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03:17:55bersacevery nice iPod 5G with Ubuntu theme :)
03:18:01linuxstb_debauched_slot1: What's your wiki name?
03:18:01bersaceand my ogg collection :)
03:18:06bersacethanks all of you !
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03:29:29Aloneahey linuxstb, hows the rebuffer thing going?
03:31:31linuxstb_I haven't done any work on mpegplayer recently.
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03:32:22Alonealinuxstb: ah, I was just wondering.
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03:33:12bersaceThat's strange, the disk in the iPod move differently (and more) with Rockbox than with Apple FW.
03:33:25bersacewish that do not eat too muh battery
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03:34:42linuxstb_debauched_slot1: Just seen your wiki change. Does 1/12 refer to 1st December or January 12th ? In either case, you should make Bagder aware of the new bootloader so he can update
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03:40:43debauched_slot1linuxstb: my bad, will fix the date to a now US/centric format and will ping Bagder
03:41:00debauched_slot1I uploaded the new bootloader to that page and just dropped the reference to the old one
03:42:14bersacehow to quit the snake ?
03:42:23debauched_slot1Anyone have any ideas about the iAudio X5 boot and H100 boot errors/
03:42:37debauched_slot1They seem to have been caused by my checkin, but I'm not seeing how
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03:44:26linuxstb_Have you tried building those targets yourself? Just to check it's not a quirk in the build system?
03:44:31debauched_slot1trying now
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03:46:36linuxstb_Seems more likely to be a problem caused by Slasheri's commit earlier - but it's odd that the previous builds didn't pick it up if that was the case.
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03:47:52debauched_slot1Hmm. iAudio X% boot builds cleanly here
03:47:57hotwire_hm... i just downloaded the latest build, and on my gigabeat it is skipping big time.
03:48:27debauched_slot1Did you update your bootloader?
03:48:42hotwire_is there a new bootloader to dl?
03:48:49debauched_slot1oh yes
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03:49:16debauched_slot1attached here:
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03:50:28linuxstb_debauched_slot1: It doesn't build cleanly for me...
03:50:48debauched_slot1what do you get, linuxstb?
03:51:05debauched_slot1X5 or H100?
03:52:02debauched_slot1same errors as build?
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03:52:13debauched_slot1as the build server, I should say.
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03:53:00linuxstb_If you look at bootloader/main.c, what revision does it say at the top?
03:53:53debauched_slot1$Id: main.c 11993 2007-01-12 20:45:37Z miipekk $
03:54:19linuxstb_How big is it? Mine is 16437 bytes.
03:54:33hotwire_debauched_slot1: okay, not she runs
03:54:44debauched_slot1rw-r−−r−− 1 gwhite gwhite 16437 Jan 12 21:44 main.c
03:54:45debauched_slot1-rw-r−−r−− 1 gwhite gwhite 3261 Jan 10 21:45 tpj1022.c
03:54:45debauched_slot1gwhite@lively:~/rockbox/bootloader$ md5sum main.c
03:54:45DBUGEnqueued KICK debauched_slot1
03:54:45debauched_slot1d0c9bedf0547ee0dfa803e569d35e921 main.c
03:54:54Aloneabut yet if you look at it says the newest...but I am guessing 2 different things.
03:55:05pearldiverdebauched_slot1 did you commit your changes now?
03:55:06jbahey gang
03:55:08debauched_slot1hotwire_: excellent
03:55:13linuxstb_debauched_slot1: Identical to mine. And it builds fine?
03:55:20debauched_slot1pearldiver: yes, all committed
03:55:25jbasomeone thank gotthardt for applying the bass/treble patch
03:55:26jbafor me
03:55:28debauched_slot1linuxstb: yes
03:55:43debauched_slot1linuxstb: builds fine from veryclean
03:55:46hotwire_I'm test running elephant's dream to see if the video cuts off any later
03:55:54linuxstb_Search for adc_battery in that file. For the X5, it's used in main(), but not declared any more - Slasheri's last commit moved the definitions.
03:56:04hotwire_(since we have more memory freed acc'd to the log
03:56:28jbahey is configure changed, does that affect bootloader?
03:57:01debauched_slot1jba: YES, new bootloader
03:57:13debauched_slot1configure change, also TTB has moved
03:57:19 Part hcs
03:57:47debauched_slot1linuxstb:yes, I see it
03:57:54jbai'll give you guys an hour, then svn up and rebuild all
03:57:58MCS117how much of c/c++ do i need to know to compile rockbox?
03:58:00jbayay for svn finally
03:58:03jbai can do svn revert
03:58:08jbai've been waiting so long for that
03:58:17scorcheMCS117: none
03:58:21jbaMCS117, you need to no preprocessor
03:58:46scorcheMCS117: it doesnt require any C knowledge to compile
03:58:58scorchemaking changes to the code is where that comes in handy
03:59:14pearldiverall the latest builds are being updated as well?
03:59:15MCS117do i need to know any programming to compile rockbox?
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03:59:34MCS117prob not saying this correctly
03:59:42scorcheyou probably arent
03:59:43MCS117im waiting for the sansa to come out
03:59:57debauched_slot1linuxstb: how do you want to proceed with this?
04:00:15scorcheMCS117: what are you getting at?
04:00:30BiptoNw1ll14m: are you still here?
04:00:46MCS117is it currently being done or do i have to do some changes to it?
04:00:48MCS117to use it?
04:00:59LloreanMCS117: It doesn't yet support audio.
04:01:05scorcheit is not capable of...yeah..
04:01:23linuxstb_debauched_slot1: I think it can wait until tomorrow. The automatic bootloader builds aren't made available, so it doesn't matter if they're broken. I'm convinced Slasheri broke it, but there also seems something extremely weird going on if you can compile that code...
04:01:26MCS117so it won't be for a while then...
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04:01:45debauched_slot1linuxstb: I can't - had the wrong target selected
04:01:46LloreanMCS117: It'll be listed in the supported list on the front page once it works.
04:01:53debauched_slot1NOW I can't, with the right target
04:02:23linuxstb_OK, that's reassuring... Now the only mystery is why earlier builds succeeded.
04:02:52MCS117are the startup and shutdown splashes able to edited in rockbox for the sansa in due time?
04:03:05jbadebauched_slot1, so i should hold off svn uping
04:03:29debauched_slot1jba: go for it, but be sure to update your bootloader! without it, everything is most unhappy
04:03:37jbaaah that's easy
04:03:42jbai always do that when i compile for myselfg
04:03:53jbajust in case i missed a mmu update in the logs or something
04:04:02linuxstb_MCS117: They are not user-configurable, but you can edit the source...
04:04:21debauched_slot1jba: I am somewhat sick of that MMU right now :)
04:04:27MCS117so i need to know some c to modify them?
04:04:30jbahey you guys notice that when the battery is "low" on the gigabeat, shuting down and then restarting gives you a 1 second backlight delay
04:04:39jbamust be loading some default settings or something
04:04:40jbaquite annoying
04:05:13linuxstb_The default backlight timeout is 4s.
04:05:23jbait's a strange behaviour
04:05:32jbaif you go into to settings though, the original timeout is set
04:05:39jbaso you just have to select it again to fix
04:05:44debauched_slot1jba: not strange, we have a problem with short backlight timeouts firing backlight fades before boot is complete
04:06:04jbayeah that's cool
04:06:06debauched_slot1so, for now, I have it set to wait a few seconds before doing any backlight manipulation
04:06:07jbanoticed that ages ago
04:06:10jbait's not that annoying
04:06:21jbai'll update and test
04:06:24debauched_slot1is that what you are referring to?
04:06:31jbabasically my gigabeat goes to < 10 battery level after 1 hour
04:06:37debauched_slot1yes, there are some serious backlight changes recently
04:06:46debauched_slot1we need to calibrate the battery, ASAP
04:06:58jbafrom that point on, shutting down and restarting means i don't get the correct backlight fade
04:06:58debauched_slot1I think the current runtime is 13-15 hours
04:07:01jbait becomes something like 1 second
04:07:20jbayeah run time is real long, it's just the battery level that's wrong
04:07:46pearldivernew users get scared of battery meter
04:07:49debauched_slot1I want to try runtime with one of my audio books. It should go >1 hour between disk spinups
04:08:00pearldiverthey think rockbox is eating their players alive
04:08:01BiptoNlinuxstb_: i have a bootloader i compiled from today's source for the grayscal 4g, it reboots 3-8 times before it actually loads rockbox
04:08:07pearldiverand uninstall it
04:08:22debauched_slot1yes, we need the calibration BADLY
04:08:40debauched_slot1we have a few battery benches, we should be able to at least get into the ball park
04:08:49jbacool svn upping noi think when rockbox thinks it's shutting down on low bat it doesn't save settings
04:09:08hcsI've got another gigabeat bench with mp3s if that might help
04:09:29MCS117is the e200 movie playback limited because of it's hardware or the software? or do i ask this somewhere else?
04:09:36debauched_slot1hcs: yes!
04:09:38jbadebauched_slot1, you think the calibration can be down with current instead of voltage
04:09:52debauched_slot1jba: don't know
04:09:56pearldiverget another bench there please
04:10:03jbai use my mp3 player strangely, 1 hour lots at a time, so my bench wouldn't be too smooth anyhhow
04:11:28Aloneaalso just started my second bench
04:11:56AloneaI will get it to you tomorrow when it finishes.
04:11:58jbaaah bugger using the svn bootloader means i lose rescue mode usb for the gigabeat
04:12:07jbai should really look into that at one point
04:12:08jbaoh well
04:12:55linuxstb_BiptoN: Do you have any patches applied? e.g. the COP patch?
04:13:06hcsdebauched_slot1: is there a wiki page for gigabeat battery benches or should I just throw it up somewhere?
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04:13:49jbadebauched_slot1, hmmm, this is what i was talking about before: "When the battery is low and you touch a button, the backlight will go right back off. "
04:13:58jbai'm quoting that battery bench txt file from alonea
04:14:08Aloneayes. it does indeed do that.
04:14:13linuxstb_All the other platforms have a Runtime wiki page - IriverRuntime, IpodRuntime etc. You could create a GigabeatRuntime page if it doesn't already exist.
04:14:56Aloneadebauched_slot1: do you also want me to do a bench where the backlight is on the whole time?
04:15:13BiptoNi built a bootloader with a patched cop version
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04:15:23BiptoNand I used todays CVS devel bootloader
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04:15:40BiptoNhmmm, i don't think i actually used a build without COP though
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04:16:01BiptoNis it the 2nd cpu wiggin' it out?
04:16:04linuxstb_Did you disable CPU frequency scaling? That's required for me to get the COP builds working reliably on my Photo/Color.
04:16:19BiptoNi've been playin with the code a little
04:16:24jbaokay gotta go spend time with my son, catch you guys later
04:16:40BiptoNi can listen to tunes non-stop til the battery dies with no lockup
04:16:45BiptoNon my grayscale with scaling
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04:20:35BiptoNi have my changes posted on flyspray and a link to w1ll14m's code is there also
04:20:57BiptoNlinuxstb_: does the bootloader freak out with COP enabled?
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04:27:53hcsok, GigabeatRuntime now up, sorry I named my battery bench battery_bench.txt...
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04:34:41debauched_slothhcs, nice
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04:35:25hcsis there a reason why a working copy of the svn repo is twice the size of the cvs one?
04:35:48Lloreanhcs: Because you've got additional modules checked out.
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04:36:05hcsahh, manual, probably
04:36:09linuxstb_SVN stores two copies of all the files.
04:36:39linuxstb_Your version, and the repository version,.
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04:37:26hcsoh, that's interesting, I wonder why tar+bz2 doesn't handle that nicer
04:38:03scorcheit makes diffing easier
04:38:06puetzkhcs, it does it so that status and diff don't need the server
04:38:09scorcheespecially if offline
04:38:14jdonghcs: because the two copies are far enough from each other that bzip2's 500K block size doesn't catch it
04:38:19hcsgood idea, as I'm on dialup I appreciate that
04:38:38jdonghcs: if you use LZMA/7zip with a nice 32MB/64MB dictionary, it compreses down to the original size :D
04:38:49CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04:38:49*jdong personally mirrors the entire svn repo locally with bzr
04:38:51puetzkrzip is also very effective on such files
04:38:53hcsjdong: hmm, ok, wonder if there's a way to get tar ordering things more conveniently
04:39:11jdonghcs: that's an exercise left to the *nix nerds :D
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04:39:31jdonghcs: but yes, you can use file lists to optimize layout for tars
04:39:34jdonglots of work :D
04:39:46jdongif I move the ata thread to the COP, will that break?
04:39:58hcsLZMA it is
04:39:58*jdong thinks mr. iPod won't be happy
04:43:20jdongok, no, you can't move ATA to the 2nd core :D
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04:50:25geekvideoanyone know if Rockbox will work with insignia mp3 players? Specifically the Insignia sport NS-DA2G
04:50:44scorcheis that on the supported targets list?
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04:51:32geekvideoDid not see it, I just did not know if it was in development or not, I know it is not one of the most popular of mp3 players,
04:52:04scorcheit isnt
04:52:27geekvideono it isnt, that I saw
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05:13:56pearldiverdo the latest builds are being updated as well?
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05:21:49combrainshey guys, how would I go about using ipod patcher inside a VM?
05:21:53_fejfighter_pearldiver: can u re-word that question, i dont quite understand it
05:22:12pearldiverwell they have no update logs
05:22:29pearldiverdaily builds that is, sorry
05:23:23_fejfighter_daily builds are just the cvs.. oops svn status at a certain time, if any changes have been made or not
05:24:56_fejfighter_the recent changes are on the main page, and as we have only just changed to svn, we are still writing/testing scripts to view more of the changes
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05:40:49jbahey guys, are the volume buttons on the gigabeat meant to work when not in wps mode?
05:41:12pearldiverthe idea was to make them work always
05:41:21jbais that possible?
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05:41:45pearldivermarkun said yes
05:42:01pearldiveralso, A and POWER should be swapped for all operations
05:43:14jbawould love for a to be a mute buttons
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05:44:14pearldiverwhy not just hit pause?
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05:44:50pearldivermute is quite a redundant operation
05:45:10AloneaI must agree there.
05:45:10jbahaven't had to do a hard power cycle on my giga since christmas
05:45:24jbapearldiver, cause pause doesn't always respond as easily as the a button
05:45:30jbawhen pushing it in your pocket
05:45:50Aloneai do better. i set the headphone thing on and just unplug the headphones.
05:46:03Aloneato pause that is
05:46:11*Soap is scared of wearing out mechanics like headphone jacks.
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05:46:35pearldiverjba you have a point there
05:47:16pearldiverbut i dont think its quite possible since in rockbox every button performs quite a lot of operations
05:47:42Aloneajba: do you use the controller that came with the gigabeat? Its pretty easy to pause with that
05:47:51pearldivermaybe A - mute, hold A - browse files with stop
05:47:54pearldiverthat could work
05:48:34jbaAlonea, i didn't get a remote, just the + keys
05:48:44pearldiveroh and again i think POWER and A should be swapped
05:48:55jbaand even with the toshy firmware it's not always easy to get it to pause
05:48:55pearldiverso A would be browsing while playing
05:49:00jbamust be hardware thing
05:49:28Aloneajba: really? thats wierd. I use the silver remoted thing attatched to the headphones all the time.
05:49:32pearldiverjba well i never really had a problem with pause while holding the player in my hand and pressing through a cover
05:49:48pearldiverAlonea only f40 and f60 come with remote
05:49:48Aloneajba: it raelly didn't give you one when you bought it?
05:50:05jbathe x dfoesn't come with remote or cradle
05:50:07Aloneapearldiver: oh, I did not know that. thought it came with all of it
05:50:20pearldiver(though for a cover im using apple grey sock "cover" haha)
05:50:38jbayeah finding it very hard to find any condoms for my gigabeat in australia
05:50:44jbatoshiba is just not supporting it properly
05:50:50jbawhich is a shame cause it's great hardware
05:50:51pearldiverforget about the support
05:50:57pearldiverF X and S are dead now
05:51:05jbasupport also means accessories dude
05:51:35Aloneajba: well, the cross is a bit bitchy. though the best is to not push it so firmly. and the gigabeat is pretty much dead here in america too. Its all bloody ipod this and ipod that.
05:52:43jbayeah yeah
05:52:50jbairiver is well supported here though
05:52:54pearldiverjba they never bothered with accessories on the 1st place and now all those models are just dead
05:52:54jbaand the iaudio is on the way
05:53:21pearldiverget apple sock! haha it fits nicely
05:53:22jbadude i reckon the gigabeat x is the best rockbox taget atm
05:53:27jbai woul;dn't call it dead
05:53:35jbai was thinking more full time condom, than sock
05:53:38jbabut i might do that in the end
05:53:39pearldiverX is the best player ever made
05:53:55pearldiverbut toshiba dropped any support for it LONG time ago
05:54:10pearldiverthats why im calling them "dead"
05:54:27Aloneathe bastards.
05:54:27pearldiverthey dont produce them anymore, 0 support
05:54:34pearldiverstores dont sell them
05:54:55jbaif it wasn't for the lack of accesories i'd be telling the whole family to get them
05:55:07jbaalso the retailers are still charging bucket loads for the x here
05:55:28pearldiverits weird there are so many X's in australia now
05:55:33pearldiverkinda of an anomaly
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05:58:54Aloneahaven't actually looked for a new player since I got the F-40. So I know nothing about the X. Still dont get pearldiver how you got that version number. oh well. mine works. thats whats most important to me.
05:59:19InsectoidMorning to anyone > est -5
05:59:24*Insectoid bounces
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06:00:02InsectoidPfft. Something's broken. With my compiling of things and stuff. And I've come to beg for help. And yes I've read everything and then other unofficial things and well ... Yeah.
06:02:10InsectoidIt seems that somehow someway I'm sans dep-firmware. Which a lot of stuff seems to want. Causing much bitchingness from compilers and things. But I did a good old svn co ... etc, grabbed everything, configured fine, everything built up until the make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/build/firmware/dep-firmware', needed by `/cygdrive/c/rockbox/build/librockbox.a'. Stop.
06:04:42jbajust get the vmware dev platform
06:04:45jbaoff the wiki
06:04:49jbatoo easy
06:07:30InsectoidSure sure −− but, VMware, being bad for itself, has quite no luck working with my wonderful, super expensive, useless windows screen reader.
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06:08:34InsectoidShould I just try on my Debian box, and if so, where can I get a later version of arm-elf-gcc? Latest I could find was like 2.95 and that's no good.
06:08:59Aloneawell, I did my first compile with cygwin 2 days ago and the only problem I had was the cross compiler was wrong
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06:09:52Aloneaand I used that
06:09:53puetzkInsectoid, I would just let build the cross compiler for you
06:10:03puetzk(on debian anyway)
06:10:27puetzkI don't know of a packaged version
06:11:04Aloneainsectiod: if you need to fix the cross compile follow isntructions on step 4. just use nano or some other editor to do it. if you need more instructions, ask.
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06:12:07InsectoidI grokked that just fine −− the compiler's working, or at least it was detected by configure and works clean from the command line. The problem appears to be later −− I'd really like to get this working with Cygwin on the laptop so when I'm on those long busrides I can tinker tinker..
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06:13:09InsectoidIt just doesn't want to find dep-firmware.
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06:15:49Aloneawell, I would say ask Llorean, but he isn't on.
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06:16:50AloneaI just know what I have experience so far. I just pretty much followed the wiki page and then asked for clarification on commands
06:16:55InsectoidAlonea, you're almost an anagram of Llorean, so you'll have to do. Or something.
06:17:03T0mois there a way to change from the rockbox settings to the original settings?
06:17:11InsectoidOriginal how?
06:17:25T0molike normal ipod settings
06:17:26InsectoidWhat player are you using?
06:17:30T0moipod video
06:17:31Insectoidah Ipod.
06:17:35AloneaT0mo: like the default settings? or the original firmware?
06:17:44T0mooriginal firmware
06:17:50InsectoidYou made a backup of the bootloader?
06:18:00InsectoidLike it said to in the manual? If not I can send you mine −− 30 gig video.
06:18:04Aloneaah, on gigabeat you push something to load original firmware.
06:18:16Aloneaassume it would be similiar to ipod somehow..
06:18:17InsectoidUm um
06:18:25InsectoidLet me find the command
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06:19:44InsectoidAssuming that your ipod was device 1, you would do...
06:19:48Insectoidipodpatcher 1 -d
06:20:05Insectoidthen just go ahead and delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod
06:20:27T0mois there a way to change it if its not connected to your computer and then change back? or something
06:20:28InsectoidAnd while you're at it go throw it in the trash as you have officially crapified it.
06:20:34AloneaInsectoid: ok, just to be sure of everything, you downloaded latest cygwin, installed the base development along with all the packages listen plus whatever else you wanted. Then ran setup again and got files from rockbox. Then fixed the profile file (crosscompiler thing)
06:20:38InsectoidUm. Um
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06:21:59Alonea*listed. gods I can't type tonight
06:22:04InsectoidWell yeah −− mine switches randomly to the regular firmware sometimes, I'm not sure why as I can't see the thing and I have to reset it, so yes. It is possible to switch on the fly. No idea how it happens... Ask my pocket.
06:22:17InsectoidAnd Yes, I did all that, Alonea.
06:22:41T0moyeah ive had it swtich to origanl firmware sometimes when i start my ipod
06:23:03T0mobut when i start it again its back to rockbxo
06:23:14Mouser_XT0mo: It's buttons that you press when you turn on your iPod.
06:23:29Mouser_XThe stuff that Insectoid was telling you is how to UNINSTALL Rockbox.
06:23:38InsectoidMy only big smelly complaint is the battery life! Oh and the random freezyness −− but to actually have an mp3 player that will talk to me makes me quite extremely happy.
06:23:39Mouser_XI don't know what buttons those are though.
06:24:46Mouser_XRead the manual.
06:24:50Mouser_XI know it's in there.
06:25:03T0moive looked through it but im not sure what it would be under
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06:27:08*Insectoid is officially amused.
06:27:44Mouser_XNo, it's 2 buttons. I think it's Menu, and something else, that need to be pressed in when you startup Rockbox.
06:28:00InsectoidWell menu+select==reset
06:28:18InsectoidTry that while you're starting the thing.
06:28:19Ikumais 320kbps overkill i always thought if youre gonna compress anyway, its never going to sound as good as vinyl - why not leave it at 192 kbps
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06:32:57AloneaInsectoid: ok, sorry about the wait. Hmm, lemme ask someone else real quick
06:33:51InsectoidTry that while you're starting the thingNo big deal, Alonea. I'm fiddling with stuff and waiting for this script to finish on the Debian box so I can try compiling there.
06:34:00Insectoidand that's what happens when you hit up arrow and don't notice it, kids.
06:34:08*Insectoid coughs
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06:35:55Nimdaeok so what changes do i need to make to kermit to get it back in the build farm?
06:36:03Aloneainsectoid: ok. I got an answer for your problem
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06:36:23InsectoidAlonea, you're brilliant.
06:36:25AloneaInsectoid: [23:35]<gotthardt>needs to be in the rockbox dir - type mkdir build - cd build - ../tools/config
06:36:26*Insectoid grins.
06:36:26Alonea[23:35]<gotthardt>then make
06:36:28Alonea[23:35]<gotthardt>then make zip
06:37:02Aloneayeah, if you dont make your build in the rockbox dir it wont work
06:37:04InsectoidThat's what I'm doing.
06:37:23InsectoidAnd make errors and dies and shows that it doesn't want to work
06:37:37Aloneaand then you go into build directory and do the tools/config
06:37:53Aloneaand then, still in the build directory, put in make
06:37:57Insectoidyes yes I know
06:38:32gotthardtdid you install the tools?
06:38:43InsectoidYes of course.
06:39:02Insectoidand I know, well I'm relatively confident they work. As when I go arm-elf-gcc, it says 'no input files
06:39:58gotthardtso if you type make clean in the build dir it succeeds?
06:40:23InsectoidCleaning build directory
06:40:23Insectoidmake: *** [clean] Error 57
06:40:29gotthardti run cygwins and have no probs...
06:40:30InsectoidOh dear.
06:40:59gotthardtwhen you installed cygwin did you choose UNIX endings?
06:41:01gotthardtor dos?
06:41:14InsectoidI'll be back, and don't laugh too hard.
06:43:00T0moso is there a way to switch firmwares when your just with your ipod?
06:43:19Nimdaelike boot the apple firmware instead of rockbox?
06:43:49Mouser_XYes, I'm pretty sure that's what T0mo wants.
06:44:02Nimdaeif you have a recent bootloader, just boot with the hold switch on
06:44:12T0mooh let me try that
06:44:22Insectoidgotthardt, I reran setup, specifying Unix text files, and still no g.
06:44:22Nimdaethat's only for the ipod, btw
06:44:32T0moi have an ipod vid
06:44:36jbahey gotthardt
06:44:36Nimdaeon other devices, it will reset settings, heh
06:44:44gotthardthey jba
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06:45:34Nimdaei guess i better send some kind of message to bagder to get kermit re-added to the build farm
06:45:52T0mothat boot with hold thing didnt work
06:46:27Insectoidt0mo, I just tried it. Power off by holding down play, tap menu to start boot, flip hold switch
06:47:55Nimdaeif it resets settings, you have an older bootloader and will need to hold the menu button during boot until it says it's booting the apple firmware
06:49:09T0moit worked once but im gonna try it again just in case
06:49:50T0moit didnt work that time
06:50:09T0mobut it did that time
06:50:16T0mohaha this is retarded
06:50:25Nimdaeworks every time for me
06:50:28Nimdaebut of course
06:50:36Nimdaei've nuked the apple firmware so all it does is repeatedly reboot
06:51:26T0moit works like every other time
06:52:45InsectoidAnything on my Cygwin issue?
06:53:03Nimdaei avoid cygwin >.>
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06:53:37InsectoidI demand help I do ... Or something. Wow. This runs very slow. Like very very super mega slow on this 400mhz machine.
06:54:22Nimdaemy build machine runs linux
06:54:41InsectoidI don't think it's actually a Cygwin issue this time, actually.
06:54:48Insectoidactually, you know, actually.
06:55:57T0monow its working everytime so now i can switch between the two as much as i want!
06:56:00*Nimdae nukes his ipod drive by formatting it
06:56:37InsectoidI certainly certainly wish that the Ipod showed up under partition magic.
06:56:44T0mohey thanks everyone for your help. the help really helped me a lot ;)
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06:56:49T0mobut i g2g now
06:56:49InsectoidNo problem, man.
06:56:56Nimdaetake care
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06:57:05NimdaeInsectoid: it doesn't? that's a shame
06:57:24Nimdaesomething tells me i should have picked a quick format
06:58:09InsectoidNo no you should have used format. From the command line. And laughed and laughed at the silly menu-driven formatter.
06:58:14Nimdaeit shows up in disk management in windows xp
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06:58:40InsectoidNo it's certainly not there for partition magic 8
06:58:44InsectoidRude, you know.
06:58:59NimdaeInsectoid: actually, i should have hooked it up to my laptop running linux and used the vfat support there to format it ;)
06:59:20InsectoidNimdae, naturally.
06:59:48Nimdaei have acronis disk director, i'll see if it shows up there
07:00:14Nimdaeof course, i don't have it installed yet since i reinstalled windows >.<
07:00:26InsectoidIt doesn't show up under diskpart either
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07:02:46Nimdaewell, this is no good
07:02:54Nimdaei can't find my acronis disk director installer
07:03:04Nimdaethat's bad because i actually paid for it
07:04:12Nimdaefound it!
07:04:37Nimdaebackups are a great thing
07:05:04Insectoidgood show
07:05:56Nimdaefound my colinux installer too
07:06:02Nimdaethat makes me want to try running it again
07:06:13Nimdaeruns a linux kernel as a nt process
07:06:32Insectoidgrml. Grml foor the win.
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07:08:25InsectoidIt might perhaps almost be sort of halfway done.
07:08:57InsectoidJust to put my mind at ease, has anyone built the latest for Ipod video lately successfully? Is it really just me having issues?
07:09:16Nimdaelet me try
07:09:38InsectoidOh. Dear.
07:09:55Mouser_XIn regards to my question about archive support in Rockbox, this is from the Wiki (here: "RSNs are simply RAR files which contain SPCs [which have a 90% average compression rate] named to RSN"
07:10:08Mouser_XThis is why I'd like to see archive support.
07:10:19Insectoid/dev/hda1 3937220 3937160 0 100% /
07:10:36Mouser_X90% compression ratio is pretty darn good, if you ask me.
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07:11:59Nimdaeyay kermit is back in the build thing
07:12:03scorchemahna mahna
07:13:28Mouser_XThough, I should note that archive support is only useful when refering to emulated audio (and, even then, it doesn't benefit all formats too much. But for SPCs, it's great).
07:15:18NimdaeInsectoid: acronis is going to force me to reboot before using it so i'm not gonna mess with it for now
07:15:37Nimdaeas for building the ipod version of rockbox, no errors so far
07:15:59InsectoidI love the speech for rockbox. It's truly grand. But has anyone put thought into porting a real text-to-speech synthesizer over? I'm thinking something like Flite might work.
07:16:57Nimdaerockbox built with no errors
07:17:01InsectoidPffft of course
07:17:13Nimdaeon latest svn checkout
07:18:48Nimdaei wonder if there's things i can do to speed up the build
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07:28:55Nimdaei got it down to 26 seconds
07:29:40Nimdaeipod still formatting
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07:32:10Mouser_XI can't seem to find this. Is there a list of supported formats/file types/codecs/whatever for Rockbox?
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07:32:35scorcheoe the feature list
07:32:40Mouser_XAh, thanks.
07:32:41scorchewhich i think it links to
07:32:48Mouser_XI've been checking tons of links...
07:32:53Mouser_XNot those though.
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07:37:27Mouser_XIt looks like is the closest thing to a list of codecs supported I can find.
07:38:10scorchethere is the wikipedia page as well, but i do not know how complete it is
07:38:52Mouser_XI'd like it to be noted that ADX (which is supported) is only mentioned in the Wiki twice. Once, in the MajorChanges, and once in the CustomWPS.
07:39:21Mouser_XI would have thought (apparently incorrectly) that it would be mentioned elsewhere.
07:39:31puetzkInsectoid, flite still requires floating-point, though.
07:39:52puetzkthough I think there has been some work on a fixed-point versions of the most critical routines
07:40:06Mouser_XI only point this out because I was searching for ADX, figuring that it'd lead me to some kind of list of supported formats.
07:40:27Mouser_XI do like the SoundCodecs page though.
07:40:48Mouser_XThough, I think it needs updating.
07:40:54Mouser_X*some updating.
07:41:01scorcheas mnay wiki pages do
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07:41:07Mouser_XVery true.
07:41:18Mouser_X(In other words, good point.)
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07:41:59Mouser_XIf I weren't paranoid, I'd sign up, and try to get Wiki write access, to update that page...
07:42:12*Mouser_X doesn't want to use his real name.
07:42:39puetzkso use MouserX :-)
07:42:46Mouser_XThey'd remove it.
07:42:53scorchebecause that is against our guidelines
07:43:00puetzkscorche, good reason :-)
07:43:30puetzkthat and the signup seems broken anyway (at least it didn't work last night when I tried)
07:43:42scorcheit works just fine
07:44:18puetzkI hit edit, it says to hit cancel to register, and then I get taken to a page that just says "{ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration"
07:44:47scorchethere is a register link from the main wiki page
07:45:02puetzkah, so there is
07:45:12puetzkOk, so the redirect if you cancel auth is broken :-)
07:45:51scorchegood to know
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07:48:04puetzkOk, the registration form worked, but when I use the code it emailed me it says "Invalid Activation Code"
07:48:13puetzkboth the link and pasting it do the same
07:48:54d47hey, i dont know if youve allready found this but rockboy on my gigabeat is running with <10 fps
07:49:31d47it occured after installing the latest rockbox from svn
07:50:21d47any1 else experiencing this?
07:50:30Mouser_XI don't have a Gigabeat yet.
07:50:34Mouser_XI will within a week though.
07:50:41pearldiverrockboy is fine here
07:51:04pearldiverjust tried a few games half an hour ago
07:51:15d47hmm ok ill rebuild and such
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07:53:17Mouser_XI think I'll end up browsing the patches, and want something added...
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07:55:12pearldiverd47 can you recommend any games that playable on gigabeat controls wise?
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07:55:40d47pearldriver: pokemon, starwars episode 1 racer
07:55:45d47pearldriver: umm, sonic
07:55:50d47pearldriver: mario
07:55:58Mouser_XOn the GBC?
07:56:06Mouser_XNever heard of that one...
07:56:08d47pearldriver: heh yea
07:56:23Mouser_X(Was that at me?)
07:56:37d47woops yes it was ^^
07:57:10d47pearldriver: final fantasy
07:57:11Mouser_XI kind of figured...
07:57:28Mouser_XCan the volume buttons be used in Rockboy?
07:57:42d47no, you cant play music while playing rockboy
07:57:43pearldiverwhich pokemon though? :P
07:57:46Mouser_XIf yes, I'd want to use them as select/start.
07:58:07d47pearldriver: lol there all the same, i have red, blue, gold and yellow
07:58:09pearldivervolume buttons can be assign yes, the problem is that up/down cannot
07:58:30Mouser_XWell, in the simulator build, up/down work fine for me.
07:59:32d47pearldiver: why when i look at you name i see pearld r iver?? im crazy =/
08:00:10Mouser_XActually, for Rockboy, the only issues I've run into, is lack of buttons (I don't have anything to assign start/select to), and no sound. Again, this is in the simulator.
08:00:12pearldiverwell i dont have sonic
08:00:18Mouser_XPerhaps actual hardware is different.
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08:01:12pearldiverdont have final fantasy either i think
08:01:19Mouser_Xpearldiver: So, in Rockboy on the TGB, up/down don't work at all? Or, do you just want to change them?
08:01:42pearldiveryou cannot change them but they work in certain games
08:01:52Mouser_XOnly in certain games, but not all?
08:01:54pearldiveryou can assign any other buttons though
08:02:06pearldiverwell in games that need those buttons, like tennis for example
08:02:09Mouser_XThat seems weird that it wouldn't work in all games, if it works in one...
08:02:29sekondchakraI just got an iAudio X5L. Anyone familiar with how much battery time I'll get with Rockbox vs the iAudio firmware?
08:02:44pearldiverbut in tony hawk for example they dont work for jump so the game is unplayable
08:03:07*Mouser_X will have to try some of these out to see what pearldiver means...
08:03:17sekondchakra(You could almost hear the power being sucked out of my iPod 1G under RB!)
08:04:06d47power usage was high on the 5g too in my experience
08:04:30d47but on the gigabeat it lasts quite long
08:06:22pearldiverjust noticed another bug
08:06:52Mouser_Xd47: Which Sonic? I'm seeing Sonic 3d Blast, and Sonic 7...
08:07:01pearldiverwhile usb plugged the backlight goes off and you it doesnt go back no matter what you press
08:07:08Mouser_XI guess I could try both...
08:07:41d47i used 7
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08:09:36puetzksekondchakra, I can't really compare, I hardly used the OF on my X5. But battery life is quite good; from what I've seen on the forums it's supposedly pretty much the same as the OF
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08:12:51Mouser_Xpearldiver: Which Tony Hawk?
08:12:57Mouser_X1, 2, or 3?
08:13:47pearldiver3 i think
08:13:55pearldiveri was just giving an example :P
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08:14:18Mouser_XI just to want to see what you're talking about.
08:15:29pearldiverlike for example when you need your character to jump with UP and slash with MIDDLE
08:15:43pearldiverbut jump is assigned to A automatically
08:15:59pearldiverand the game is unplayble from there
08:16:06pearldivermiddle of the cross
08:16:08d47center of cross
08:17:32Mouser_XSonic 3D Blast 5 doesn't work in Rockboy...
08:18:17Mouser_XSonic 7 looks wacked...
08:18:33pearldiverim playing prince of persia now
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08:21:06d47ooo im gunno try prince of persia
08:21:45pearldiverkinda cool
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08:23:17Mouser_XSuggestions for a PC GB emulator? The one I've been using (Rew) is pretty old...
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08:24:39sekondchakrapuetzk that's very cool news...! If there's no significant difference, I gotta try RB again! (You prefered it over the OF?)
08:24:59d47_yeh something has gone compley wrong on my gigabeat, not music player properly now, im going to install an older build
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08:25:19d47_not even the music player is working properly now*
08:25:56sekondchakraWill RB utilize the mp3 tags? (the iAudio firmware doesn't)
08:26:00pearldiveroh this freaky version of space invaders is nice as well
08:26:06puetzksekondchakra, it boots a lot faster, and it has a headphone crossfeed :-)
08:27:11puetzksekondchakra, it can
08:27:29Mouser_X3d47: Suggestions for a PC GB emulator? The one I've been using (Rew) is pretty old...
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08:28:15d47_Mouser: oh my brother uses 1, ill go ask him
08:28:27sekondchakra"headphone crossfeed". Not sure what that is?
08:28:51Mouser_XCrossfeed emulates the effect that you get when you listen to music on speakers.
08:29:18d47_Mouser: my brother uses TGB-dual
08:29:31Mouser_XAka. your right ear hears the left speaker slightly later than it hears the right.
08:29:38Mouser_XAnd vice versa.
08:30:05sekondchakraAnd that makes things "sound" better?
08:30:09Mouser_XHeadphones can't provide this effect, because the sound is isolated to that ear.
08:30:26Mouser_XI haven't been able to test for myself.
08:30:44Mouser_XHowever, I've heard from multiple people that you can hear the difference.
08:31:04sekondchakraSo it *boots faster *sounds better *uses mp3 tags and *has almost as good battery life?
08:31:21puetzksekondchakra, I've even seen a few claims that the battery life is better :-)
08:31:31sekondchakra(I'm gettin' a digital chubby here!)
08:31:33puetzkbut, that's not firsthand, because I basically never use the OF.
08:31:49sekondchakraWhat kind of battery life have you gotten?
08:32:07sekondchakra(Again, my only experience is, like, an HOUR on my iPod!)
08:32:31puetzkmultiple days between charges, but I'm trying to guesstimate how many hours of actual use
08:32:40puetzk>10 I'd say, and it wasn't dead
08:33:06d47_hmm yesterdays build works again, i thing a recent change has rooted something
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08:33:14sekondchakraas long as there's no danger of reducing the overall life of the battery....
08:33:20sekondchakra(by using RB)
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08:34:05eXPeriencedoes someone has good sites 4 wps?
08:34:16sekondchakrabtw, does anyone know how to charge the X5L with the display OFF?
08:34:25d47_do u know of ?
08:34:25pearldiverd47 using the latest here, works like it should
08:34:28puetzksekondchakra, just tap the power buton while charging
08:34:34puetzkand the display will shut off
08:34:37pearldiverd47 did you get the new bootloader?
08:34:39eXPerienceno i don't thX is old yes
08:35:11Mouser_XeXPerience: There's also the wiki:
08:35:29d47_pearl: oh is there a new bootloader? thatll be it =/
08:35:43pearldiverd47 enjoy
08:35:46sekondchakradude you've been a lot of help! thanks so much!
08:35:54sekondchakra(all you dudes...)
08:36:03Mouser_XGlad to help.
08:36:17eXPeriencei already checked up the wiki.... i wonder if you have any other sites
08:36:29Mouser_Xjust the rockbox-themes one.
08:36:54eXPerienceok tnx...... and do u know where i get plugins from?
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08:37:13Mouser_XPlugins come with Rockbox.
08:37:34Mouser_XIf you want to add more features, you'll need to compile/build your own.
08:37:47Mouser_XMeaning, download patches, and compile Rockbox.
08:38:58pearldiverhey new wps for gigabeat
08:40:32Mouser_XI like it.
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08:41:17d47_requested by who?
08:41:28Mouser_XWasn't me.
08:41:38Mouser_XI didn't even know it existed...
08:41:44d47_it says in the description of the theme
08:41:59Mouser_XOh, I didn't notice...
08:42:10pearldiverit doesnt tell the next track
08:42:24d47_what themes do u like?
08:42:37Mouser_XI like Pixel.
08:42:41Mouser_XAnd the Mario one.
08:42:43d47_heh fair enuf
08:42:47Mouser_XAnd, somewhat, Ajax.
08:43:25d47_i think ajax is horible =/
08:43:30pearldiverPixel, BeatMP, EscapePod
08:43:33pearldiverrest is...
08:43:59pearldiverwell there are some clean ones
08:44:03Mouser_XI only like Ajax for its simplicity, and large text.
08:44:06pearldiverlike Tranquil v0.1
08:44:17pearldiverbut Ajax yes, going nowhere
08:44:46d47_what do you think of lain and yellow print? i made those =D
08:45:13d47_even though i made yellow print i use it most of the time
08:45:15d47_lol =/
08:45:25Mouser_XI haven't used Yellowprint.
08:45:30Mouser_XSeems nice enough though.
08:45:39d47_tatu heh
08:46:04pearldiveryellow print wins over lain hands down
08:46:28pearldiververy 80s freaky concept
08:46:48Mouser_XI think I may make a Skies of Arcadia one... Chances are, I'll be the only one who uses it (pretty pictures over functionallity? Just this once..)
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08:49:11Mouser_XHeh... Tetris in Rockboy...
08:49:39Mouser_X(As opposed to Rockblox, of course.)
08:50:08Mouser_XIn regards to Pong being in Rockbox, I think that Escape from Pong should be ported to it...
08:50:22Mouser_X(You play as the ball, and are trying to get past the paddles.)
08:50:35Mouser_X*ported to Rockbox as well.
08:50:45d47_lol that sounds great
08:50:57Mouser_XIt's a NES ROM.
08:51:07Mouser_XIt was coded for a contest.
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08:51:38d47_im gunna find it now =D
08:52:38Mouser_XThere it is.
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08:53:17Mouser_Xpearldiver: I wouldn't have any clue.
08:53:55pearldiverspace invaders and POP are my fave ones so far on gigabeat
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08:59:27d47_i cant find a nes emulator for linux =/
08:59:43Mouser_XThere's online NES emulators...
08:59:47d47_found some lol
09:00:13Mouser_XLast time I looked, znes wasn't real/didn't exist.
09:00:25Mouser_XThat was some time ago though.
09:01:24puetzkit's actually zsnes
09:02:44Mouser_XZSNES exists, yes. Znes, however, doesn't.
09:02:56Mouser_Xd47 asked for a NES emulator, not a SNES one.
09:03:10puetzkoops, indeed
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09:06:00Mouser_XI'd like to see a NES emulator on Rockbox...
09:06:40Mouser_XSNES emu would be nice too, but I'm sure that'd be pushing it pretty heavily for most of the currently available tragets.
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09:16:14Mouser_XZSNES doesn't emulate NES games.
09:16:54Mouser_XAlso, the only reason I'd even look for znes, is because many people had many typos, back when I read the ZSNES forums.
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09:35:17sekondchakraIt WORKS!! :-D
09:36:04sekondchakraBoots in about (no lie) 8 seconds...
09:36:46sekondchakraAnd my beloved tags are back!!
09:38:39Mouser_XGlad it works for you.
09:39:52sekondchakraI keep reading about font do i know if I've got what I need?
09:40:32brainiac_ghostsekondchakra, did you download it
09:40:38d47_check the .rockbox/fonts folder on your player and if theres fonts in there then your ok
09:40:42brainiac_ghostsekondchakra, there is only one, on the rockbox page
09:41:23d47_otherwise download them from the daily build page and put them into that fonts folder
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09:42:11sekondchakraah... I JUST found them on the daily build page... waaaaaay over there in the lower-right corner...!
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09:43:36sekondchakraIt's a little steep on this part of the learning curve...but there's some really nice features on this thing!
09:44:10sekondchakra(Now how am I going to tear myself away from this thing and go to bed?!)
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09:48:27amiconnSlasheri: The H100 bootloader needs fixing as well
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09:49:36Slasheriah, it still fails
09:51:18sekondchakrawow....Now I have, like, 60 fonts to choose from!
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09:55:35sekondchakraOK, gotta go to be now!
09:55:45sekondchakrathanks all...(again)
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10:05:33brainiac_ghostI want to make a build for jclix that works on a 5.5g (i have the vmware image)
10:11:35lexgee ot
10:11:38lexit's the gost
10:11:44lexgsgegs i'm not able to write ;(
10:11:47lexit's the ghost
10:15:12brainiac_ghostanyone know what patches i need for jclix (the only ones are from 2006, and they might not work with current SVN)
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10:26:19brainiac_ghostyes lubiix908
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10:26:44brainiac_ghostlubiix908, thank you
10:27:37lubiix908or i you use newer album art, you need not bmp resize, but then you must use bmp covers in proper size
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12:13:19jbahey gang
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12:23:43RedbrevaWell it was a quiet Saturday morning, but now I have to go and take the wife into town... shopping :-(
12:23:56sneakumsquiet sunday morning for me, now.
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12:25:20InsectoidOh dear where is this rockboxlogo.h of which it speaks?
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12:58:56BagderGodEater: your server is now added to the "farm"
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12:59:39linuxstb_Insectoid: rockboxlogo.h is generated by the build process from the appropriate logo bmp file for your device.
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13:03:58linuxstb_Bagder: Did you notice the build system strangeness last night? Slasheri's commit at 20:46 broke the X5 and H100 bootloaders, but the errors only showed up with the following commit/build.
13:04:36Bagderno I didn't, I guess I need to check that the 'svn up -r {date}' stuff works correctly
13:05:06linuxstb_You don't update to a revision number?
13:05:33Bagderno I don't, but that's just because I am a stupid person
13:05:51BagderI'll of course do that soon
13:06:30Mikachuisn't NOW also a valid date spec?
13:07:01Mikachubut you don't want that, never mind
13:07:19jbaBagder, you revert to a revision
13:07:29jbathat's the best way to stuff on a particular date
13:07:30Bagderyes, that's what we want
13:07:39jbasvn revert 206
13:07:44jbareverts to revision 206
13:07:46jbaand so on
13:07:47BagderI just converted the cvs approach without thinking straight
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13:09:15jbasvn revert
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13:09:24jbano number will revert to svn head on your working copy
13:09:41jbaso svn up, then svn revert gets you up to date with the server
13:09:45Bagderthat's not what we want though
13:09:48Bagderwe want a specific rev
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13:10:44amiconnBagder: Hmm, using a revision number enables us to decide what to do with multiple commits happening during a build round
13:11:06Bagderdecide how?
13:11:19amiconnDo we want the old behaviour, i.e. the next build round will contain all changes committed during the current round,
13:11:34amiconnor do we want to build every single revision?
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13:12:01Bagdernah I think we can use the "round" concept still
13:12:10Bagderotherwise we could be lagging behind when people commit a lot
13:12:25jbaoff course if you never modify files in the working copy, just doing svn up is enough
13:13:04amiconnThe former produces less load and makes the latest changes available earlier, but building every revision would make it easier to spot which commit caused errors/warnings
13:13:22linuxstb_I quite like the idea of building every revision by itself - I can't see us lagging behind that much though.
13:13:24Mikachuyou could build the whole round, and if errors popped up, build each commit
13:13:48linuxstb_When do we ever get 10 commits in an hour?
13:14:12amiconnNah, I guess the round concept is good enough
13:14:45Bagderat least I'd like to keep it for now since I rather fix the other scripts first
13:15:05jbabagder what os are you using?
13:15:09Bagderbut now it is family time for me, bbl
13:15:19jbathe tortoise svn tool is really quite usefull in windows these days
13:15:22jbaand quite powerful
13:15:26Bagdernot for build servers
13:15:36*amiconn would like to know whether at least some of his suggested improvements are doable, and what effort is needed
13:15:37Bagderand I prefer command line tools for svn
13:16:00jbaam talking about for in general
13:16:06Bagderamiconn: you mean like the speculative build?
13:16:06jbaon build servers, just use svn
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13:16:18amiconnBagder: Yes, speculative build, and uploads in the background
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13:16:30Bagderthey're certainly doable
13:16:36amiconnI guess the latter is the easier one
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13:16:50Bagderbut I gotta go now, back tonight
13:16:54amiconnIs the buildmaster script in svn?
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13:27:39desowinpetur: precompiled win32 binary of QTScrobbler is out
13:28:13peturthanx, will check later
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13:32:38linuxstb_amiconn: Thinking about the av3x0 port, I'm not sure how to handle the LCD driver and was wondering if you had any thoughts. The LCD is YCbCr based, not RGB, and I have the choice of either using a video plane for the main Rockbox LCD framebuffer, or a bitmap plane. The video plane stores data in 32-bit values for pairs of horizontal pixels, with one 8-bit Y value for each pixel, and shared 8-bit Cb and Cr v
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13:33:19linuxstb_amiconn: ....shared 8-bit Cb and Cr values.The alternative is the bitmap planes with a maximum of 256 colours (with a YCbCr palette).
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13:38:53bluebrotherpetur, is there a reason HAVE_AGC isn't defined for the x5?
13:40:32bluebrotherso maybe someone who can test on a x5 should enable it ...
13:42:15peturit should work, no doubt about that
13:42:30pixelmaI thought the X5 couldn't set recording level as precisely... though I'm not sure...
13:42:49peturah... that would be a good reason
13:43:00peturlet's ask jhMikeS
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13:43:53bluebrotherI just told the reporter (FS #6534) how to enable it ... maybe he comes back and reports it not working as expected
13:44:59bluebrotherI also don't see a reason for FS #6533, but that might be related to unprecise recording level setting.
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14:42:48amiconnbluebrother, petur: There is a reason why agc isn't enabled for X5, at least for mic in
14:43:22amiconnThe TLV320 mic in doesn't allow for fine-grained gain control. Only two steps: 0dB and +20dB
14:43:47petur0 or +20 ?
14:43:59peturoh mic, not line-in
14:44:37*petur has a terrible fight with TomTom Home
14:44:49peturcrap software it is
14:44:55amiconnLine in goes from -34.5dB to +12dB in 1.5dB steps
14:45:15peturso it would be usable for line-in
14:45:43peturbut AGC makes no distinction between mic and line-in
14:45:55amiconnFor X5 it needs to
14:48:16amiconnlinuxstb_: Regarding AV3xx, pallette based bitmaps would require a new concept in rockbox
14:49:07peturoh no, not pallettes...
14:49:30amiconnA video plane wouldn't require this, but the shared chroma will probably look a bit strange, and it would require storing chroma for each pixel and mix on lcd update
14:49:55amiconnOtherwise it wouldn't be possible to update just one pixel in the framebuffer
14:50:34amiconnSetting lcd colours would require RGB->YCrCb conversion, but that shouldn't be a problem
14:50:48amiconn(with either method)
14:51:24amiconnNative bitmaps should be in framebuffer format as usual
14:51:51amiconnThe video data format makes life way easier for the jpeg viewer and mepgplayer
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15:26:26SoapJdGordon: in , is a dead link.
15:27:59JdGordonhmm.. yeah that file was deleted at some point
15:30:21JdGordonlink removed
15:30:35Soapshould I name my file colinux.xml or default.colinux.xml (as comes with colinux)
15:32:04JdGordonumm... i dont tihnk it matters, the 2nd if you dont want to explicitly tell the colinux exe which xml to use
15:32:07JdGordonI thiunk...
15:34:11SoapOk, thanks - I got it working - lordy this boots 10 times faster than the vmware image.
15:35:22JdGordoncompile shold be faster also
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15:39:20roolkuJdGordon: Hi! Any thought about ?
15:41:29Soapahh poop - networking doesn't seem to be set up in the colinux image.
15:41:32JdGordonnop, im baffled by that bug
15:42:58roolkuJdGordon: can you think of any side effects of removing button_clear_queue(); in plugin_load(); ?
15:43:39roolkuit seems to improve the situation a little
15:43:51JdGordonwell, without it you could have "phantom" pressses
15:44:12JdGordonI mean, once it goes back t the file tree it could think the off button was pressed, so you go up a level
15:45:07roolkuHm, I'll keep an eye out for those...
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15:51:22SoapJdGordon: quick (stupid) question - how do I connect to my colinux over the network? I have ICS set up, so colinux itself can see the internet.
15:51:59JdGordonSoap: can you ping it? if you went the default settings its
15:52:15JdGordonif you can, then ssh in
15:52:22Soapyea, I can ping it.
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15:53:23JdGordongrab putty
15:53:29JdGordonyou only need the ssh cient
15:56:00p0serheys guys, is there a simple way to determine which codec drains less baterry life? I don't really need to use mp3, so if any other codec offers longer playback, i'd like to use that.
15:56:22JdGordonthere is a comparisson on the wiki
15:56:29JdGordonits for ipods tho...
15:56:30Nico_Pmpc playback is very efficient i think
15:56:51Nico_Pp0ser: what player do you have ?
15:56:56p0serthe only comparison I found was a feature comparison between original and rockboxed players
15:57:03p0serNico_P: iRiver H10
15:57:09p0ser20 GB MTP
15:57:44p0serthank you so much :D
15:57:50p0sergonna read it, brb
15:57:51Nico_Pwell actually that's not really relevant
15:58:10Soapputty connects like a champ - now Soap needs to learn how to use it to transfer files to WindowsLand.
15:58:10p0serwhy not?
15:58:28Nico_Pit's for coldfire targets
15:58:51Nico_Pbut i still think MPC is one of the most efficient decoders in rockbox
15:59:29p0seri heard wavpack was one of the best for my target, but i have no proof whatsoever
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15:59:53Nico_Pwavpack is lossless, that's different, but yes, it's very efficient too
16:00:30p0seryeah, but i have lots of wavpack files
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16:00:52SoapJdGordon: Tell me to suck on a lemon if I am bugging you - but I am getting "....(28 No space left on device)" erros when doing apt-get update on the colinux install. I followed the wiki instructions about enlarging the root fs to 1.2 gigs, am logged in as rbdev, and running apt-get through su.
16:00:55p0seri was considering transcoding to lossy if the offer a better battery life
16:01:12p0serif not... well... i won't even transcode
16:01:43Nico_Pp0ser: with lossless codecs he disk is accessed more often
16:02:19PaulJamfor battery life an efficient losy codec would be propably better, because it spins the disk less often
16:02:37p0seroh, i see...
16:02:42p0serwould you recommend mpc, then?
16:03:25Soapmpc is very efficient on rockbox, but if you can't ABX mp3 -v5, that shouldn't boost either.
16:04:02bluebrotherafaik ogg is working better on PP targets
16:04:05p0seri definatelly can't
16:04:34bluebrotheryou can simply make up a comparison yourself ... play a file and go to the audio thread screen.
16:04:45bluebrotherhave a look at the boost ratio
16:04:58bluebrotherand make sure nothing else is running that may affect the boosting
16:05:17p0serbluebrother, that'd be in Debug (Keep out!) ?
16:05:33p0serok, thanks
16:05:39bluebrotherthe boost ratio is an average, so give it some time
16:05:59bluebrotherand when comparing make sure the disk is accessed about equally
16:06:22p0seraccessed equally? what do you mean?
16:06:24bluebrothere.g. use one file and set playback to repeat one so it doesn't need to use the disk.
16:06:37bluebrotheror play a complete album and repeat that
16:07:02bluebrotherI'm not sure about PP targets, but Coldfire boosts the cpu upon buffering. I guess PP does this too
16:07:37PaulJamdoesn't rockbox always rebuffer? even if setting repeat to one song?
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16:10:27bluebrothernot sure, haven't tried that
16:10:53bluebrotherbut even if it did, the rebuffering needed will always be the same, so it's kind of comparable
16:11:46bluebrotherI only looked at the screen for like 10 minutes sometimes, and unless the buffer was empty it was at least clearly to distinguish which codec is working best in my case
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16:18:28desowinis it possible to add myself to notify list from sflspray without adding comment ?
16:19:03Mikachujust press the Watch this task
16:19:43desowinoh, haven't noticed it
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16:20:12*petur just used qtscrobbler
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16:29:31SoapI don't know if it is me or the eight shots of espresso, but colinux is kicking butt.
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16:35:29roolkupetur: I have the occasional error with qtscrobbler which doesn't happen when I press submit again. And it copes better with UTF-8. But I would still prefer a command line program that I just double click and it submits automatically
16:36:14peturit worked quite ok, just a bit big (2MB) for what it needs to do ;)
16:36:41p0sercya guys, thanks the help
16:36:49peturit's faster than that .net program on MR
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16:44:33roolkupetur: yes I agree
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17:04:43desowinpetur: it's big because it's linked statically to Qt libraries
17:05:02desowinmy main goal was to make such tool for open-source platforms
17:05:14desowinwindows had already bunch of such things
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17:06:28desowinpetur: here on my Gentoo box, the binary is 126kb
17:06:39peturyeah yeah...
17:07:01peturcan't it be build dynamically linked (I assume it's static now)
17:07:07peturqt that is
17:07:20desowinit can, but libraries itself are about 5mb
17:07:35desowinand I'm not sure if 'normal users' have them on windows
17:07:44peturthey don't
17:07:53peturbut I assumed they would have been smaller
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17:09:05desowinbtw. petur, roolku please join ;-)
17:09:33bluebrotherhow about making qtscrobbler accept command line commands and work without a gui in that case?
17:09:58peturhehe members: 1
17:10:20desowinbluebrother: there's perl script for command line
17:10:24peturI'm in...
17:10:49desowinbluebrother: and qt stands for GUI ;-)
17:10:58bluebrothersure, but qtscrobbler could be used with or without command line, and a static binary could do this on windows as well
17:11:14bluebrotherwhereas most windows users won't be able running a perl script :)
17:11:31desowinok, so how would you like it act ?
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17:14:53w1ll14mIs a different version of rockbox required to run an ipod5g (60GB) because 60 gb ipods have 64Mb ram
17:14:54roolkudesowin: but then I need to install perl - I really want something I can carry around with me on my dap, plug it into a pc, and doubleclick
17:14:54desowinpetur: do you experience 'first-track-not-in-.scrobbler.log' bug ?
17:15:22bluebrothermy idea was that you can start it with some options, like −−submit <file> and it uses saved username / password data, or −−submit <file> −−user <username> −−password <password>
17:15:40bluebrotherif no password specified it could ask either on the command line or graphically
17:15:45desowinok, when I'll have free time it'll be done
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17:15:54webguest01Hello there!
17:16:01roolkudesowin: great :)
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17:16:18bluebrotherso one could make a cmd script, put that on the player and simply needs to click the cmd and enter the password in the box that appears.
17:16:29bluebrotheror even add a −−nogui switch :)
17:16:35webguest01I have a little question and I hope you can help me.
17:16:51*bluebrother awaits the question
17:17:30webguest01do you know how I can dissassemble an iriver H10 20gb in order to replace the battery?
17:18:36webguest01well there are 4 screws visible, i unscrewed them but the back was tightly clipped on.
17:19:13w1ll14mwebguest01: sometimes screws are hidden ....
17:19:15*bluebrother doesn't know the answer
17:19:33w1ll14mwebguest01: if not, i don't know how to :) i'am an ipod owner....
17:19:40webguest01this particular device has no hidden screws. i scrutinised it
17:19:42desowinbluebrother: how would you like to distinguish itunesdb commandline from .scrobbler.log one ? you know, qtscrobbler supprts both .scrobbler.log and iTunesDB, as I've iPod
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17:19:46bluebrothermaybe there are plastic clips inside ... the h100 lcd remote for example has some
17:20:26bluebrotherdesowin, for example default to scrobbler.log, and add a switch for itunes. Or the other way round.
17:20:39bluebrotheror just look at the file type (if that's feasible) ;-)
17:20:39w1ll14mbluebrother speaking of remote's i was taking a look for ipod lcd remotes but is there a chance to get them working on rockboxed ipod ?
17:20:43webguest01well, is it worth replacing the battery with one of higher mAh value? does that require another charger?
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17:21:20PaulJammaybe you can find a gide how to open it in the forums
17:21:21bluebrotherw1ll14m, currently not. It's this generic-ipod-accessories thing and I don't know of any one starting to work at it.
17:21:25w1ll14mwebguesto01: probably not
17:21:46bluebrotherI replaced the battery on my h120, no problems, no other mods needed.
17:22:00bluebrotherwhile this might be different for the h10 I don't think so.
17:22:15w1ll14mbluebrother: how difficould would it be to create a patch my self? (i think very difficould:|)
17:22:54Soapw1ll14m: a different build is not required for the 60GB ipod 5th gens.
17:23:04bluebrotherafaik the accessories are accessed by some serial connection, and the low level stuff hasn't been done yet
17:23:12w1ll14mSoap: ok, thanx :)
17:23:14Soapw1ll14m: but you will only be using 32 megs of the buffer.
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17:23:42bluebrotherso it would be quite some work. Additionally, you'd need to figure out the protocol used. No idea if ipl has some results on that
17:23:42w1ll14mSoap: damn, is there a patch or mod to use 64 mb?
17:23:43Soapgive me an hour and I'll have the latest source patched for 64 megs anyhoo.
17:24:00w1ll14mbluebrother: hmm ll google a bit :)
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17:24:19bluebrotherbut if ipl has done some work it'll most probably get a lot easier
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17:24:57w1ll14msoap: isn't there a patch?
17:25:10w1ll14mbluebrother: 'll vhevk :)
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17:26:16Soapw1ll14m: there is a patch
17:26:28Soapw1ll14m: I just patched my source
17:26:43Soapw1ll14m: but it takes this old-bag-of-bones computer a while to compile.
17:26:56Soapassuming it goes well, I'll DCC you a copy if you wish.
17:26:57w1ll14mahh k :)
17:27:38w1ll14mSoap: i'm using different patches
17:28:01w1ll14mSoap: could you pm me for some code
17:28:05Soapoh, well, the patch at the bottom of the tracker installs cleanly.
17:28:18w1ll14mok 'll search tracker :) thanx ;)
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17:30:22w1ll14mSoap: Which comment was th patch you've downlaoded ?, i don't want to pick the wrong one ...
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17:34:23Soapw1ll14m: select_ipod_memory_2_(senab_sync).patch
17:34:32w1ll14mSoap: thanx :)
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17:39:13perldivergigabeat target, svn build doesnt load, hangs at loading screen after "rockbox loaded"
17:39:18perldiverdaily build works though
17:40:06fasmaieperldiver: Did you try the new FWIMG file?
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17:40:25perldiverall that with the new bootloader
17:40:39fasmaieYesterday's (12 h ago) SVN build worked for me
17:40:47perldiverfor me as well
17:41:07perldiverbut get the latest one if you can and test
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17:45:17fasmaieperldiver: same here
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17:49:09linuxstb_What do people think about committing that patch for the 64MB ipod video to svn and starting to produce separate 32MB/64MB builds? It seems unlikely that anyone will be doing the work to do runtime detection.
17:51:30*Soap never understood why one needed to wait for the other - runtime detection and the remapping of memory is a worthy goal, but Soap never saw how waiting for that goal before adding the build option helped.
17:51:51Soapthen again - Soap doesn't see as clearly as the developers.
17:52:09linuxstb_Runtime detection means a single build.
17:52:23w1ll14mlinuxstb: that would Rock!!!
17:52:30linuxstb_The patch implements compile-time detection - i.e. two builds.
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17:52:59RedbrevaPesonally, I think it would be great
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17:53:19Soaplinuxstb_: I grok that
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17:54:00Lloreanlinuxstb_: I think compile-time differences are fine, since we do it for Archos anyway, now that we'll have a second 64mb one once the 80gb finally gets done anyway
17:54:13LloreanYou'd just have video-30 and video-60+
17:54:50dan_aIt makes sense to me.
17:55:28LloreanAs linuxstb said, it can always be consolidated to a single build in the future.
17:56:02LloreanIf you can do it with Runtime "Detection" couldn't you make it a user option in the menu?
17:57:09w1ll14mLlorean: Don't we need a error handler when making menu option for ipod memory ?
17:57:16SoapI thought the problem was that the audio buffer isn't at the end of memory - so you would have a split audio buffer (with runtime detection) until memory layout is changed. Or am I missing your question Llorean?
17:57:51LloreanSoap: Well, there are two issue: Detection, and what to do once it can be detected. I don't believe either has been solved
17:58:04LloreanI may be mistaken
17:58:22linuxstb_The problem with runtime detection is that plugins and codecs are compiled to execute from fixed addresses at the end of RAM.
17:58:39linuxstb_Which can't be done if the end of RAM is a variable...
17:59:08Slasheriyet another reason for a malloc.. :)
17:59:19*linuxstb_ slaps Slasheri
17:59:36LloreanWhy aren't plugins compiled to link at the beginning of memory not directly used by Rockbox anyway?
17:59:52LloreanI mean, plugins would not work across versions of Rockbox, but how badly does that need to be preserved?
17:59:58linuxstb_Because that's a variable as well - Rockbox changes size with every build.
18:00:19Lloreanlinuxstb_: And the plugins get linked, every build.
18:01:41linuxstb_A solution that kept portability of plugins between builds would be to put the plugins and codecs at the very start of RAM, followed by Rockbox.
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18:01:53*preglow wants elf plugins!
18:01:57LloreanThat does maintain static addresses.
18:02:05dan_aI may be being very stupid/naive here, but at a guess we know how the mmap registers work, so couldn't we put plugins and codecs at a separate fixed address?
18:02:27preglowdan_a: not all platforms do that
18:02:37linuxstb_It's not a problem on all platforms...
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18:03:17preglowwould be a bit sucky if they behaved differently on different daps, though
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18:07:13preglowdidn't amiconn have some good points on why not to put plugins at the start of memory, though?
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18:07:59dan_aHow much of a problem is mmapping the plugin ram likely to be in reality? Wouldn't it just mean a different definition in for the start of memory on PP targets and a change in crt0-pp.S
18:08:07linuxstb_I don't remember him objecting.
18:08:43webguest98Good morning all i have a quick question for anyone who can answer it. I just through rockbox on my gigabeat F40 and was wondering if i can set the shuffle to do the entire library and not just the current folder
18:09:01Slasherilinuxstb_: btw, just wondering if you know if pwm fading is the only way to set backlight brightness on ipod 5.5g?
18:09:20preglowprobably not
18:09:32linuxstb_dan_a: I don't have a problem with your idea.
18:09:32lexwhy there aren't a option to change the brightness of the backlight on 5.5G, or am i wrong?
18:09:38linuxstb_Slasheri: I've no idea.
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18:10:06linuxstb_lex: Because no-one has investigated how to do it.
18:10:07Slasherilinuxstb_: looking at the bootloader source, it looks there might be a better way to do that
18:10:16lexbut fading still works so...
18:10:32Slasherilex: doing the control with fading, consumes more cpu
18:10:40Slasherior maybe just little more
18:10:42linuxstb_Slasheri: I think preglow did the fading on the Nano/5g. I know nothing about backlights.
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18:11:10Slasheribut indeed, brightness control would be useful. 5.5G screen is too bright on the full brightness
18:11:13webguest98so is there a yes/no on the entire library shuffle
18:12:12Slasherilinuxstb_: there is also a patch in the tracker to do the brightness control with fading
18:12:28linuxstb_webguest98: There is no single menu option. I think there are three ways - 1) Use the Database; 2) Create a root playlist, and play that in shuffle mode; 3) (if all your music is under a single top-level folder) enable "insert recursively", and then insert that folder into the playlist with shuffle enabled.
18:12:59linuxstb_(I assume the database gives you a view containing all tracks, that you can then shuffle)
18:13:13webguest98sweet thanks
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18:19:41Slasherilinuxstb_: i will try optimize the 5.5G GUI performance soon, especially the scrolling
18:20:23preglowlinuxstb_: i just rewrote the code already there to work on all platforms
18:20:51preglowi only enabled it for nano/5g because i have no idea how prooper backlighting fading works
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18:23:07Slasheribtw, is there any reference anywhere about the cpu memory map, for example all those I/O port addresses etc.?
18:23:34preglowwell, it's all secret, so no... has a small doc
18:24:18preglowbut i can't reach that site now, apparently
18:24:43Slasheria plugin to write to arbitary memory locations the user defined value might be nice to.. Even better if it could be controlled directly from pc :)
18:25:40linuxstb_Slasheri: Have you looked at how the Apple firmware handles the scrollwheel?
18:26:02Slasherilinuxstb_: yes, i have quickly tried that. But i don't think it handles it well either
18:26:29linuxstb_From what I remember, it accelerates to skip 2, 4 or 8 items at a time in the list. I thought it worked well...
18:26:48Slasheriespecially when moving finger very slowly, it should not change to menu items barely at all
18:27:13linuxstb_But I think the main problem is that Rockbox does too much redrawing.
18:27:15Slasheriah, i haven't tried long lists because i couldn't get the apple fw to recognize anything on ipod
18:27:30Slasheriyes. I think at least paged scrolling should be the default
18:27:42Slasheriand not redraw whole screen everytime (i will try to fix that)
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18:28:26preglowi think retailos deals with long lists very well
18:28:35preglowand yes, the amount of redrawing rockbox does it definitely not good
18:29:18preglowSlasheri: how will you deal with not redrawing the entire screen? i think backdrops makes that a bit difficult to handle
18:29:56Slasheripreglow: when moving the scrollbar just one item at a time, there shouldn't be need to redraw everything
18:30:01Slasherijust the two lines at once
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18:30:13*linuxstb_ is looking forward to working with the av3xx - hardware backdrops, and a hardware cursor...
18:30:25linuxstb_(and hardware blending...)
18:30:31webguest05hi, how can i play half lifeon my ipod? ive seen a video of it done on youtube with rockbox
18:30:41Slasherilinuxstb_: hehe :)
18:30:58preglowwebguest05: probably a doom mod
18:31:13webguest05ne way that i can get it?
18:31:27linuxstb_Ask google for a Doom half-life mod.
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18:31:33webguest05good plan XD
18:31:41Slasherii think the scrolling could work something like it's accelerating when user moves the feel faster, and when user slows down, also scrolling speed starts to drop
18:32:28linuxstb_I think we should also boost the CPU when the UI is active on the 5g.
18:32:37Slasherii have already done that
18:32:42linuxstb_In SVN?
18:32:48Slasherinope, just testing locally
18:32:59Slasheriif there is queued button events, cpu gets boosted
18:34:17Soapmay I ask a really stupid question?
18:35:33SoapI wanted to play with stripping out everything I personally don't use from rockbox in an attempt to increase audio buffer an insane 2-4%
18:36:09SlasheriSoap: that doesn't sound like there is any benefit to do that
18:36:22Soapnot even for fun?
18:36:23Slasheriin fact bigger buffer could only do things worse
18:36:43Slasherifor example skipping often, causes a lot of unnecessary rebuffering
18:36:52Slasheriand uses more power than with smaller buffer
18:36:59Soapyou are presuming my usage patterns.
18:38:21Soapquestion #1 being - where should I start if I want to not build database support? Question #2 being - if I remove support for unused codecs will I save any memory at all? Question #3 being - what else might I strip?
18:38:30linuxstb_You could reduce the plugin buffer size if you don't want the larger plugins. Similarly with the codec buffer size.
18:38:37SlasheriSoap: there is an option HAVE_TAGCACHE
18:38:49Slasheri2) no, not at all
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18:39:44SlasheriSoap: but removing database affects memory consumption so little, you can't notice it in any way
18:39:44Soapcan I reduce the plugin buffer to 0 if I don't plan on running plugins?
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18:40:09linuxstb_I think some of the core code uses the plugin buffer for temporary storage. But I'm not sure exactly what.
18:40:31linuxstb_But reducing it to 32KB (same size as the Archos targets) should work.
18:41:44Soapand is reducing the codec buffer to the size of the largest codec I use safe, or do I need to make the codec buffer large enough for all codecs used by files in the audio buffer?
18:42:08SlasheriSoap: if you would like to increase audio buffer by 2% for example, you can't do that much by removing any code from rockbox
18:42:24SlasheriSoap: the best bet is to disable dircache, tagcache etc.
18:43:14linuxstb_Soap: Do you use backdrops?
18:43:22Slasheriand don't use crossfade
18:43:34Slasheriit eats memory a lot
18:43:38linuxstb_There are two backdrop buffers which you could claim back...
18:44:02SoapSlasheri: I'm well aware no one trim will free 2% - that is just my final goal - but you have to add up all the little gains.
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18:44:31Soaphmm, I do use crossfade when I shuffle - I'll have to see how much that is costing me.
18:44:51Soapbackdrops is a good idea.
18:44:55SlasheriSoap: that can cost several percents of the buffer depending on the fade out duration setting
18:44:58Soapremoval of, that is.
18:46:17perldivercrossfade delay settings are confusing
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18:47:19Soapvoice? I assume that is eating from the memory buffet regardless of being "on" or not?
18:47:44SlasheriSoap: 1s of crossfade costs about 0.5%
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18:52:27icuSlasheri, hi, i finally got my h140 flashed, after doing a rolo first before using iriver_flash, works fine,
18:54:18icuwith your new bootloader
18:54:53Slasheriicu: great :)
18:55:48Slasherii found the HW backlight brightness on ipod 5.5G =)
18:55:57Slasheri+control address
18:56:05linuxstb_Nice... Where did you find that?
18:56:17Slasherii just started writing random data to random memory locations :D
18:56:22Slasheriand print that data on screen
18:56:29linuxstb_Good approach.
18:56:48Slasherinow backlight is dimmer with ipod crashed :)
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18:57:03icuSlasheri: I am trying to ROM it, but am not sure i'm doing it right, do i just select rombox, or is there something else i need to do
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18:57:51Slasheriicu: you need to hold down select on rombox.iriver
18:57:55Slasheriand then use the iriver_flash plugion
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19:01:41Slasherilinuxstb_: it seems to be 0x6000002e
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19:02:50Slasherilinuxstb_: maybe i will disable the pwm fading and commit a HW fading :)
19:02:50icuwow boot is incredibly quick now, with 37gigs of music, 2sec's
19:02:55nevermindquick simple question
19:03:04nevermindis there an autoinstaller for ipod??
19:03:27nevermindAnyone knows:)?
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19:04:04Slasherilinuxstb_: ah, 0x0x6000002c
19:04:20fasmaienevermind: None that are supported here
19:04:40nevermindso i must follow the installation in the guide?
19:05:06fasmaienevermind: yes.....use the old procedure if you have a 4G iPod
19:05:15nevermindgot 5g
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19:05:30fasmaienevermind: then use the procedure on the iPod page
19:05:39Soapdan_a: How do you want FS #6528 tested? Or do you want it tested?
19:05:43linuxstb_nevermind: Do you have IPL installed?
19:05:55nevermindu mean the one in the manual?
19:06:05nevermindipl is ipodlinux?
19:07:06fasmaienevermind: if you have IPL, you should use the instructions they have on their site to triple boot
19:07:10Slasherilinuxstb_: hmm.. or do you think we should still use the pwm fading and use that HW brightness control to just limit lcd brightness?
19:07:12dan_aSoap: Check what the boost ratio is with and without it while playing MP3s
19:07:18Slasheriwould be easiest to implement like that
19:07:24dan_aAnd thank you for testing :D
19:07:27Soapdan_a: not to be dumb - but where do I check that?
19:07:50nevermindactually i don't need the IPL
19:07:51Slasheriand with very low brightness, lcd could be always on
19:07:57dan_aSoap: Info -> Debug -> Audio Thread IIRC
19:08:02nevermindso i don't mind if it will only boot rockbox
19:08:13SoapI'll test in a llittle bit here.
19:08:16fasmaieWell then...the info on the iPodInstallationBeta page is for you
19:08:20linuxstb_nevermind: Then uninstall IPL, and follow the Rockbox install instructions.
19:08:44nevermindShould i uninstall IPL?
19:08:54nevermindit shouldn't bother should it?
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19:09:33linuxstb_Installing IPL installed the IPL bootloader. Installing Rockbox will install the Rockbox bootloader. In either case, you should start from a "clean" (i.e. Apple firmware only) ipod.
19:10:03linuxstb_So it works...
19:10:18linuxstb_The installers assume a clean ipod to start with.
19:10:34nevermindYou think it will not work if i go ahead and install rockbox now without a fresh ipod?
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19:10:55linuxstb_It may work, or it may not. It will definitely work if you start with a fresh ipod.
19:10:58nevermindthere is no installer for rockbox its manual from what i see so far?
19:11:11nevermindok i'll take my chances:)
19:11:34*linuxstb_ afk
19:12:01nevermindthanx fasmaie
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19:14:20PaulPositionThat memcopy patch for portalplayer based daps (fs#6528)... Am I right in assuming it's no use testing it on iRiver H10 because anyway it doesn't use CPU boosting? (or does it?)
19:15:16Soapis "boost ratio" in the debug−−>audio thread screen an average since rockbox launched, playback started, or since you entered the menu?
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19:16:30dan_aSoap: I'm not certain. I think it's the average between menu updates.
19:16:48BiptoNif i get todays rockbox-devel and build the booloader for my ipod will the bootloader handle a COP build?
19:16:49MikachuSoap: since you entered the audio thread screen
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19:16:58Soapthanks Mikachu
19:17:28SoapI'll be a good boy and enter the audio thread screen at the same time, and wait until the same point before writing down the boost %
19:17:30dan_aPaulPosition: It's worth testing, and see if you notice any difference. However you won't be able to get any numbers to say its better or not
19:17:44dan_aBiptoN: Yes
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19:20:15PaulPositiondan_a: Makes sense. Well, that and making sure it doesn't crash the platform before some commit is done. :)
19:22:04nevermindhey need help with backing up fhase of the install
19:22:30nevermindi typed ipodpatcher [1] -r bootpartition.bin
19:22:49BiptoNi built a bootloader for my iaudio x5 and copied the bootloader.bin file to the firmware directory as x5_fw.bin, but when i unplugged it and plugged it into the wall it never flashed the new loader
19:22:51nevermindthats correct or is it [device 1] or something else
19:22:59BiptoNit was just stuck on the iaudio screen
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19:23:26BiptoNhave there been many changes to it since the one from july on the site?
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19:25:03nevermindnevermind got it
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19:25:35dan_aHmmmm... how do you safely disconnect an iPod from a Linux machine that doesn't have SCSI support in the kernel?
19:26:06BiptoNno scsi? no drive access than?
19:26:14fleytinHi! I am a blind rockbox user and my iaudio just hang up. I need to do a hardware reset but can not find a button for this. Can anyone tell where it is?
19:26:41BiptoNdan_a: if you haven't mounted the filesystem just unpluggin it should be fine.
19:26:58dan_aBiptoN: I'll cross my fingers...
19:27:14BiptoNfleytin: it's on the right side of the player neear the bottom corner
19:27:21BiptoNa very small hole for a paper clip
19:27:56BiptoNflaytin: about a half inch or so from the bottom right
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19:28:34BiptoNdan_a: as long as it's not mounted it should be more than fine
19:29:11XavierGrhow do I know if my build runs from ram, disk or rom?
19:29:19dan_aBiptoN: It seems OK. In fact, Windows wasn't mounting it as a drive before, and it is now, so it seems to have helped!
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19:29:44XavierGralso how do I enable again that bootloader selcection screen in the new bootloader (h100)
19:29:52fleytinBiptoN: Thank you! :-)
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19:30:13BiptoNnp ;)
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19:32:09BiptoNbarrywardell: have you looked at in awhile?
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19:33:02barrywardellBiptoN: I'm just back from holidays, so not really in the past week or so
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19:33:13icuXavierGr, switch player off, swirch HOLD on, switch player on again
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19:33:50icuthen switch hold off again to make your selections
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19:35:36bestadvocatehey, I have not checked the statis of Rockbox's supported models in a little while when did the 30 and 60 5g support get added?
19:35:48XavierGricu: thanks
19:36:10nevermindok i think i need to wipe clean my ipod
19:36:21nevermindhow do i do this from itunes?
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19:36:43nevermindsorry i mean , how do i do this,from itunes right?
19:37:24BiptoNare u going to install RB nevermind?
19:39:49fasmaienevermind: If you're on a windows machine, just do a restore
19:39:50bestadvocatecan someone point me to a link where they talk about the latest ipod support works in progress?
19:40:01Soapdan_a: testing isn't finished yet - but it is looking promising.
19:40:06dan_aI've been thinking about FS #6095, and I think the best approach is probably similar to barrywardell's patch, only never reclock the PLL. So we select a 24MHz clock or SLOW mode for CPUFREQ_NORMAL and use the PLL or FAST mode for CPUFREQ_MAX
19:40:13dan_aSoap: Yay! How promising?
19:40:33Soapfrom 53 to 47 seconds to fill the buffer.
19:41:08Soapand it looks like boost (mp3 - ~210kbps VBR) will be down from 70% to 55%
19:41:19Soapbut let me not count chickens before they hatch
19:41:20dan_aEven ooher!
19:41:28SoapI'm not at the same point in the playlist yet.
19:41:43barrywardelldan_a: agreed. I think I remember thinking something similar last time I looked at that patch
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19:42:24cA1mAnhello, my wps do not look like in the screenshots: the fonts and the bars are all at the wrong place! how can i fix this?
19:42:30dan_abarrywardell: I've sort of started working on a new version, but I've got a cold and my brain isn't working properly at the moment
19:42:32SoapcA1mAn: load the font pack.
19:42:49cA1mAnSoap: i did
19:43:08Soapare you using WPSs which require patches? like album art? like scrolling margins?
19:43:28peturcA1mAn: did you install the wps by using the theme or only the wps?
19:43:51cA1mAni did use a build with album art scrolling marges etc...
19:43:59cA1mAnpetur: how do you mean?
19:44:20peturI assume you copied all files, not only the wps file
19:44:35peturthen did you browse themes or browse wps?
19:44:35Soapwhich custom build? and are you using a WPS that needs Julius's patches also?
19:44:40bestadvocateah sweet i found the ipod faq.
19:44:52SoapI don't believe there is an unsupported build out there (working) with those patches anymore.
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19:45:34Soapdan_a: first test complete - let me reboot and try again. But boost percentage is down from 70% to 57%!!!!
19:45:47dan_aSoap: Excellent news
19:45:49cA1mAnpectur: i used "browse themes"
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19:46:11cA1mAnSoap: i used the build from maxwen0, are there other better builds out there i should know?
19:46:41SoapcA1mAn: I'm not familiar with than build, nor the WPS you are attempting to use.
19:46:45dan_aI'm just installing Rockbox to a greyscale 4G which I have aquired, so I'll test on that in a minute
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19:47:14cA1mAnSoap: hmm. so what build are you suggesting? hmm it didn't work for more than one wps actually
19:47:16barrywardelldan_a: have you got MrH's clock handling document to work from?
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19:47:33dan_abarrywardell: I have :D
19:47:35Soapdan_a: I'll need to reinstall the stock build to double check the buffer loading time.
19:47:49cA1mAnlike all boeselhack, and the *pod oned too
19:48:07SoapcA1mAn: You've never mentioned what target, nor what WPS we are talking about.
19:48:12cA1mAnpetur: how should i use the wps, themes then?
19:48:38petur1) you copy everyting from the theme zip file to your player
19:48:41cA1mAnSoap: from memory: HiPod and boeselhack - all of them
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19:48:53petur2) you browse themes to select theme
19:49:01cA1mAndid that so far
19:49:04peturthat should be it
19:49:17Nico_PSlasheri: you still there ? you wre talking about optimizing menus earlier... are you aware of this : ?
19:49:29peturdoes the theme specify certain patches that are required?
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19:49:59cA1mAnon some themes like the HiPodNextV4 (for ex.!), the fonts are displaced and cut
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19:50:16cA1mAnpetur: i think i have all patches necessary
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19:50:55bluebrotherhmm. Now that we have themes for a while does "browse wps" still makes sense?
19:51:19cA1mAnbluebrother; what is it for actually?
19:51:24bluebrothersetting a wps is still possible, but I guess most users won't need that dedicated entry anymore
19:51:38peturcA1mAn: Well I don't know more to help, and besides, those unsupported builds are unsupported by definition
19:51:53leftrightSlasheri: i have edited the iriverflash page with additional steps for rombox, could you please check that its to your liking
19:51:54bluebrothercA1mAn, it simply sets the wps while the "browse themes" sets a couple of other settings too (if they are used in the theme)
19:51:56*Soap doesn't even know what player cA1mAn is talking about.
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19:52:24cA1mAnbluebrother: like the fonts etc...?
19:52:33cA1mAnSoap: iAudio X5
19:53:03bluebrotheryes, exactly
19:53:24cA1mAnpetur: i know i've read everywhere that they are not official, but it's just so easy to install a finished build with 10+ patches applied
19:53:32bluebrotherthere is also a "browse fonts" entry, but that's a bit more hidden −− below the general settings
19:53:40cA1mAni saw that
19:54:07cA1mAnbluebrother: any idead why the fonts and the progress bar are displaced on the wps?
19:54:26bluebrotherbut ... maybe this can get removed as well? So to encourage using a theme for everything?
19:54:42bluebrotheras advanced users will still be able selecting separate files
19:54:49SoapI'd like to see it removed.
19:54:59bluebrotherfonts and progress bar on the wps? I don't understand.
19:55:22*bluebrother would also like to see encouraging of a packed themes format
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19:55:27cA1mAnbluebrother: yes
19:55:42bluebrotherlike the format I wrote an installer plugin for
19:56:00bluebrotherwould make distribution easier
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19:56:19cA1mAnbluebrother: the wps HiMDforMe or HiPodNextv4 for ex.
19:56:49bluebrotherand might be a good thing to support in the core later as we then already have some format that gets used
19:57:01cA1mAnthe fonts are half-way cut
19:57:05bluebrothercA1mAn, so what's exactly the problem? The text appears at strange locations?
19:57:17cA1mAnthe progress bar is on the top
19:57:22bluebrotherhalf-way in terms of you see only the upper / lower half of a letter?
19:57:29leftrightanyone else who knows the rombox flashing procedure like to rpoof read my entries please
19:57:39bluebrotherprogress bar on top sounds like a missing x-y coordinates patch
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19:57:43cA1mAnyes, because it's displaced (at the top of the screen for ex.)
19:57:45leftrightspecifically the Rombox section
19:57:57bluebrotherand there was some change in that patch iirc.
19:58:14bluebrotherwhy not use an official build?
19:58:21bluebrotherwith themes made for official builds?
19:58:34cA1mAnbluebrother: to make it short: the text is not where it should be (like in the screenshot) - not at all
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19:58:37Soapok dan_a, I'll shut up now, but I'm so giddy about the patch.
19:59:02cA1mAnbluebrother: because i need the scrolling margins and album art
19:59:06bluebrothercA1mAn, check if you have the needed fonts installed
19:59:18bluebrotherwho needs album art on a dap?
19:59:31cA1mAni installed every font possbile :-)
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19:59:47cA1mAnscrolling margins i need
19:59:59bluebrotherask in the forums thread about that unofficial build
20:00:05dan_aSoap: Feel free to add comments to the FS task showing your results
20:00:18cA1mAnand most wps on this page: need album art to work correctly
20:00:23bluebrotherI don't use unofficial builds (except with my own tries to change things)
20:00:29dan_aI'm getting a better ratio on my 4g too
20:00:36PaulPositionca1mAn : Go to the iaudiophile forums and ask maxwen.
20:00:38Soapdan_a: I just double checked my my buffer filling times. With three tests on stock 5G (64MB buffer patch) I get 53 seconds to fill buffer and 70% boost. With three tests on 5G (64MB buffer patch + FS #6528) I get 47 seconds to fill buffer and 58% boost.
20:00:46Mikachudan_a: i think my nano went down about 7% too
20:00:56Mikachumpegplayer seems unaffected though
20:01:21ZerapheHey... is there a reason why Rockbox wouldn't be able to find .rockbox if it exists?
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20:01:45PaulPositionZeraphe: Maybe, what do you mean? Any error message?
20:01:53cA1mAnor some themes show me "mpc" instead of "flac" isn't that strange!?
20:01:59ZerapheNope. Just "can't find .rockbox
20:02:02CassandraZeraphe, You're using an HFS formatted ipod? (I'd expect it not to load at all under those circumstances though.)
20:02:16bluebrotheralready tried this page?
20:02:17ZerapheNope, Cassandra It's a WinPod.
20:02:18PaulPositionca1man: Then it's simple : those themes are OLD and they haven't been updated in a while.
20:02:39ZerapheCould it be the way the drive is formatted?
20:02:50CassandraRun a chkdsk.
20:02:50cA1mAnPaulPosition: so where can i get new working themes? any advice? thanks
20:02:52bluebrothermpc instead of flac is because the wps is outdated. There was a change in the order of the values
20:02:54ZerapheI did mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048
20:03:08bluebrothercA1mAn, use iCatcher ;-)
20:03:21cA1mAnthanks for the page btw, bluebrother, will have a look at it
20:03:22dan_aSoap, Mikachu: In that case, I'd better ping amiconn to see what his opinion on adding 1k to the core size (in IRAM) on ARM targets is for at least a 5% better boost ratio
20:03:35CassandraIf that's FAT32, 2048MB sectors, sounds fine.
20:03:36PaulPositionca1man: I suggest you look at iaudiophile forums, wherre MaxWen hangs..
20:03:48CassandraErm, KB.
20:03:55webguest53I just installed Rockbox on my Ipod Mini, it was running fine, but when I went to plug it in, i didnt show up on my comp. Now its frozen on the USB display, and I cant turn it off
20:04:05webguest53any suggestiosn?
20:04:13cA1mAnbluebrother: do the themes on your site work for iaudio x5?
20:04:25cA1mAnPaulPosition: that's what i'm doing now, thanks
20:04:40bluebrotherit's not my site and that page lists also the requirements. Just look at it.
20:05:17cA1mAnhas the ".rockbox" folder to be HIDDEN?
20:05:20bluebrotherand, you need only a matching resolution. You could also use themes for h100 (but that would be greyscale only=
20:05:32cA1mAnor doeok
20:05:37Cassandrawebguest53, hold down SELECT and MENU
20:05:39bluebrotherthe folder gets automatically hidden by unix-like OS
20:05:46cA1mAnso 160x128x16 is iaudio res?
20:05:52bluebrotherand Rockbox, unless you show all files
20:05:55webguest53Oh god, that worked
20:06:01leftrightwould it be correct to say that one should always ensure that the latest Bleeding Edge is installed prior to flashing ?
20:06:07webguest53i qwas holding select and Play
20:06:07CassandraNo problem.
20:06:11bluebrotherit's 160x128 at 16bit depth. h100 is 2bit depth
20:06:11webguest53thanks alot
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20:06:34bluebrotherthe only thing that is important is the resolution, and your player needs at least the color depth of the theme
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20:08:07cA1mAnhow come some themes do change every menu (font, color etc...) and some only the wps?
20:08:40bluebrotheryou can't change every menu
20:08:51bluebrotheryou can change font, colors, backdrop
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20:08:58bluebrotherand wps of course
20:09:18bluebrotherbut that setting applies to all, i.e. if you want a bigger font in the wps that is also the font for the menus
20:09:23cA1mAnyeah that's what i meant
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20:09:46bluebrotherif a theme doesn't set the font correctly its broken
20:10:11cA1mAnbluebrother: ok i think they are broken since some more recent them do work correctly
20:10:25cA1mAnbut i have another annoying thing discovered:
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20:10:35cA1mAni have te 60 gb version and a LOT of artists
20:10:36bluebrothera theme should always set colors and font
20:11:01cA1mAnso if any artist begins with let's say and "o" i have to browse some time
20:11:06Soapdan_a: 5% is an understatement!
20:11:10cA1mAnto come down there
20:11:29PaulPositionca1man: Using database or file browser?
20:11:54bluebrotheryou can create your own view for the database
20:12:08cA1mAnis there a way to speed.up when going down with the joystick after5 sec for ex.
20:12:21*bluebrother notes to himself that tagnavi.config should get documented in the manual some day
20:12:46PaulPositionca1man: Hmm, I don't think so, but you should be able to scroll one whole page at a time by using two buttons (I think play+down, but I'm not sure)
20:12:49cA1mAni mean first scrolling down slowly and then after some seconds accerating, like the ipod
20:12:50dan_aSoap: I'm an engineer, not a salesman!
20:13:06bluebrothersomeone in the forums did a really nice tagnavi setup
20:13:15bluebrothermy h120 accellerates ...
20:13:33cA1mAnmy iaudio does too, but waaay to slow
20:13:39bluebrotherat least in the file browser, so I don't see a reason why the database view shouldn't do so
20:13:48cA1mAnbut i think i will try PaulPosition's hint
20:13:59Cassandradan_a, sounds like a good tradeoff to me.
20:14:06bluebrotherpages scrolling should be mentioned in the manual.
20:14:20CassandraEspecially as that should have knock on benefits for battery life.
20:15:14dan_aCassandra: That was pretty much what I thought
20:15:24cA1mAnbluebrother: you said i can create my own view for the databse, how? thanks
20:15:43CassandraWe desperately need those on at least the Apple targets.
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20:16:37dan_aIn that case, it's worth making the code more Rockboxy :D
20:16:41cA1mAnthat's nice, i love these kinda settings
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20:17:44cA1mAndoes "load to ram" affect battery life in any way; making it last longer/shorter?
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20:18:12cA1mAnsupposing i use the database browsing very often
20:18:48Soapit takes memory away from the audio buffer. but the drive doesn't spin every time you load the database
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20:19:30Soapa very worthy tradeoff, assuming the x5 doesn't have a teenie tiny audio buffer already.
20:20:25Soapdan_a: for giggles I'll test your beautiful patch with the kernel_on_cop_6 patch as soon as my slow machine finishes.
20:20:52cA1mAnSoap: i don't quite understand, is it better to load it to ram then?
20:21:16SoapcA1mAn: in almost all cases yes.
20:21:31cA1mAnSoap: ok nice
20:22:04bluebrother"better" is in nearly all cases dependent on your usage ;-)
20:22:29bluebrotheras your criteria for "better" may be completely different from mine
20:22:41InsectoidPffft. This experimental Ipod rockbox build with the double core patch, and all the other patches, album art, etc is quite without speech. Do I have to generate my own voice from the lang file or something?
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20:23:40SoapInsectoid: maybe a stupid question - but are you using the newer bootloader (white text on black screen during initial boot) or the older bootloader (black text on pale blue screen during initial boot)?
20:24:03InsectoidSoap, I'm not sure. :)
20:24:20InsectoidIt's quite black on black for me.
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20:24:47Soapwhen you reboot the initial messages before Senab's colourful logo are black on black?
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20:25:19InsectoidIt's a fifth gen Ipod video −− and I grabbed the bootloader on the Sixth, so I assume it's the new one. And when I say black on black, I can't see the screen.
20:25:20PaulPositionsoap: I think Insectoid doesn't enjoy sighted help right now.
20:25:36Soapoh shit
20:25:40Soapmy bad
20:25:43*Insectoid grins.
20:26:02PaulPositionWish I knew anything about iPods and voices... I don't. :(
20:26:35Soapyes, if you grabbed the bootloader on the 6th of January, you are good in that department Insectoid.
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20:28:40bluebrotherhmm. Would be good if there was a way identifying the bootloader version somewhere else than only during startup
20:28:55cA1mAnPaulPosition: hmm down+play does not scroll down faster
20:29:50InsectoidI'm quite happy with Rockbox, my only complaint being the lack of a dedicated speech synthesizer, something like flite. But I heard something about fixed-point numbers and what not, is there no floatingpoint emulation? Is there more holding back flite, just no interest, perhaps?
20:30:05preglowthere is floating point emulation
20:30:09preglowbut you won't believe how slow it is
20:30:42thegeekimo it's better to pre-generated stuff like that anyway
20:31:21InsectoidThat's all fantabulous, but then you run into issues like finding the right voice file, naming your songs, getting new music and having no idea what it is... etc.
20:31:24bluebrotherfor the menus pregenerating is fine. But for folders and other often changing stuff (e.g. database view) a real tts engine would be nice
20:31:58bluebrotherbut for menus I agree using pre-generated voices is better
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20:32:20bluebrotherInsectoid, if you have a build environment you can build a voice file yourself
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20:33:24InsectoidI'm off to do so. But would that explain why there is no tts even for, for instance, folders in the file view, if the voice file I have is out of date for my patch?
20:34:08bluebrotherno, folders are voiced using pregenerated clips
20:34:19bluebrotherthe voice file only affects the menus
20:34:27InsectoidExactly. So I think I have something deeper wrong.
20:34:40InsectoidAnd I have my folders numbered with the same voice file as the menus
20:34:50InsectoidInstead of the .talk chunks
20:34:50bluebrotheryou can spell out filenames, and I guess the position of letters and numbers won't change in the voice file
20:35:21bluebrotherah, the folders get spelled as numbers?
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20:35:38InsectoidYeah. Folder: 1, Folder: 2, etc.
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20:35:59bluebrotherthere is a setting how folders are treated. You can spell them as numbers, spell the letters or use pregenerated mp3 clips
20:36:15InsectoidAnd It's set to numbers, and still not talking. It was, before, with the unpatched version.
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20:37:54bluebrotherah. So either the patched version has problems with voice or problems with the specific voice file
20:38:23bluebrotherbut I'd rather guess it has problems with voice in general, as most unsupported builds are made for eye-candy
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20:39:28InsectoidBlah. I just wanted an easy way to have it use both cores. I have a patch to do so, instead of the complete firmware, so I suppose I'll just svn out the latest, try to apply the patch, and go from there.
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20:40:02bluebrotherI guess that would be the easiest way.
20:40:03puetzkInsectoid, afaik the only thing that uses the second core is the MPEG player anyway...
20:40:11puetzkeven on a build that supports using it
20:40:27*bluebrother doesn't know due to the lack of an ipod
20:40:29InsectoidI'm also reading some interesting stuff with ipodlinux, dated 2004, about work with Flite. Going to have to see if they got anywhere and or have code available.
20:40:45puetzkvideo is probably not of great importance to you :-)
20:40:57InsectoidTrue true.
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20:43:09Slasherilee-qid: i just wrote a nice debug screen to write to arbitary memory address: MENU selects between data/address, scroll wheel sets the nibble byte value, left/right selects the nibble, PLAY inverses data and SELECT writes the data to the selected address.
20:43:15Slasheriups, linuxstb i meant
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20:43:31webguest99sup all
20:44:14Mouser_XThe sky is up.
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20:44:25Mouser_XPatient fellow.
20:45:14cA1mAnhow can i scroll faster or using scroll per page on the database view. cause it can get very long
20:45:37Mouser_XcA1mAn: Read the manual.
20:45:51Mouser_XTeh key combos are in there, but I don't remember what they are.
20:45:53bluebrotherpaged scrolling works the same way on all lists
20:46:09bluebrotherplay+up/down on h100 series
20:46:19bluebrotherno idea about other targets
20:46:40cA1mAnbluebrother: unfortunately it dopesn't for iaudio
20:47:00cA1mAnand Mouser_X: i did and that's why i'm asking here, because i couldn't find the answer
20:47:20Mouser_XReally? Odd...
20:47:40Soapdan_a: for what it is worth - adding the kernel on COP patch didn't appear to change the numbers at all.
20:48:05dan_aSoap: Thanks - I didn't really expect it would
20:48:16Soapa boy can dream can't he?
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20:50:17bluebrotherhmm. Just build the voice file using flite, and looks like I like that better than festival
20:50:26cA1mAnbluebrother: so push play+down and it does go on the nex page?
20:51:26bluebrotherit works the same way on all lists. The list only needs to be longer than the screen.
20:52:16Nico_PSlasheri: have you seen my message above ?
20:52:58Jsunu /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <jael8688>
20:53:37cA1mAnbluebrother: to avoid misunderstatement: you mean when browsing on the database view (ex. "artist" and the scrolling down)
20:53:53SlasheriNico_P: hmm, when?
20:54:12Jsunu /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <jael8688>
20:54:16Nico_P"you wre talking about optimizing menus earlier... are you aware of this : ?"
20:54:22Mouser_XJsunu: That's why I never use that command when in a chat room.
20:54:24bluebrotherit's the same as in file browser view
20:54:33SlasheriNico_P: ah, i will check
20:54:35Jsunuoh god damit
20:54:42Mouser_XJsunu: Try it without the <
20:54:45Jsunutime to change the pas word
20:54:52Mouser_XYes, that would be wise.
20:55:02SlasheriNico_P: oh, that looks interesting
20:55:07Nico_PSlasheri: I think it does exactly what you were saying : it only redraws the two elements in a list
20:55:10Slasherisomething i was thinking to do
20:55:21Slasheriyep.. i will commit that soon if it looks ok
20:55:46Nico_Pit hasn't been maintained though... sad
20:56:02bluebrotherspeaking of lcd improvements that sentertainment guy pops in my head
20:56:15ZerapheDamnit. Will Rockbox not coexist with an ext2 partition? It claims it can't write to the vfat partition it exists on, can't find anything there either.
20:56:45bluebrotherZeraphe, Rockbox should use the first (primary?) fat partition it finds
20:56:48MikachuZeraphe: did you format the vfat partition in linux?
20:57:09bluebrothernot sure if it's required to be a primary partition
20:57:12ZerapheMikachu, Yes. mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048
20:57:25Mikachuah, that should be right then
20:57:32ZerapheIt's not, though.
20:57:56bluebrotherdo you have a bootloader that supports the 2048bytes sectors?
20:58:21bluebrothermaybe you need to set the bootable or active flag for the partition.
20:58:28ZerapheIt's bootable, though.
20:58:44bluebrotherhmm, is there a release of loader2 that supports large sectors?
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20:58:55ZerapheIt worked before.
20:59:03bluebrotherwith 2048 bytes?
20:59:07ZerapheYep yep.
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20:59:19ZerapheI know.
20:59:20linuxstbCan you paste your partition table (i.e. the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdX) to ?
21:00:28Zeraphefdisk -l?
21:00:38ZerapheWhat's the l switch for?
21:00:50linuxstbIt displays the partition table...
21:02:08ZerapheAh. Yeah, let me boot into Disk Mode real quick.
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21:04:31dan_alinuxstb: FWIW, I can confirm that booting into the OF on a 4G greyscale iPod doesn't work with the latest bootloader/ipodpatcher combination
21:04:47bluebrothertwo partitions with bootable flag?
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21:05:51Zeraphebluebrother, Should I kill the bootable flag on sda1?
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21:06:04linuxstbZeraphe: That looks fine... I don't think Rockbox would care about the bootable flag.
21:06:33linuxstbdan_a: I know... Fixing ipodpatcher for that (and the 3G) is next on my things to do.
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21:08:10linuxstbZeraphe: What exactly is your problem? Rockbox doesn't find .rockbox?
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21:11:02Zeraphelinuxstb, yeah. I can load rockbox.ipod, but the rest isn't found.
21:11:40linuxstbWhich bootloader are you using? The Rockbox one or loader2?
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21:13:57Zeraphelinuxstb, Loader 2, but it was working before I started playing with the partitions.
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21:15:54linuxstbAnd .rockbox and rockbox.ipod are definitely on the FAT32 partition, not the ext2 partition?
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21:18:07Zeraphelinuxstb, Definitely.
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21:18:50linuxstbSo what does Rockbox do when it boots?: Does it display the file browser?
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21:20:55puetzklinuxstb, generally. Or the database browser, if you've picked that instead
21:21:23linuxstbI was asking Zeraphe what happens on his ipod.
21:21:42ZerapheNo, I doesn't. The logo stays up much longer than normal, and then it goes to a blank white screen with the normal icons at the top, and I can get to the menu where you choose to Browse Plugins, but nothing's found, and when I try to save settings, it asks "No partition?"
21:21:48puetzkah. I hadn't been reading along, sorry
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21:24:38linuxstbZeraphe: And this is with a recent official Rockbox build?
21:26:51ZerapheI pulled it down from SVN a couple days ago.
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21:48:51linuxstbZeraphe: My only suggestion is to look at the disk_mount() function in firmware/common/disk.c and see if you can work out why your FAT32 partition isn't being detected.
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21:52:07fasmaieDo I need SVN access to make changes to the manual?
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21:52:35fasmaieI guess I do
21:53:08dan_afasmaie: You can post changes as a patch on Flyspray
21:53:24fasmaieWhere do I get the manual sources from now?
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21:53:59fasmaieThe old CVS information is dated now
21:54:03ghost__hey, i have an idea to improve the usability: why not implement a function like this: when scrolling down on the file/database menu 2 short tips down on the joystick could make a direct jump to the next beginning letter, like A then 2 short tips then it jumps to B etc...
21:54:28dan_aOh, to get the manual sources you'll probably need SVN (I'm not sure if they're in a tarball)
21:55:00dan_afasmaie: But, of course, that's anonymous, read only SVN
21:55:25dan_aghost__: It sounds quite a good idea, but many targets don't have a joystick
21:55:52ghost__but that would be so good for the iaudio
21:56:44ghost__because i still couldn't figure out how to "quick-scroll". it's quite annoying when havin 1000s of entries...
21:56:55ghost__with the iaudio that is
21:56:59dan_aghost__: It's probably a good idea to post it on the patch tracker. I'm not sure how easy it will be to implement though
21:57:04fasmaiedan_a: Do you think posting changes to the manual will be fine on flyspray
21:57:59dan_afasmaie: Definitely, and it is appreciated. The most recent commit is a manual change from flyspray :D
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22:02:20fasmaiehmm....I'll have to figure out how best to do that −− never used flyspray before
22:03:44ghost__if anyone knows how to scroll quickly with the iaudio X5 trough 1000s of entries, please tell me :-)
22:05:07dan_afasmaie: The best way is to prepare a patch to the LaTeX source, and open a Flyspray case and attach the patch to is. If you can't do that, just posting a description of the changes should be enough
22:05:25fasmaiedan_a: Thanks
22:05:52dan_afasmaie: See for an example
22:06:00linuxstbghost__: Organise your files differently...
22:06:17ghost__i'm using database
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22:07:28dan_aghost__: Try to have a narrower taste in music. If you only liked one or two bands, you wouldn't have the problem
22:08:00ghost__but i didn't buy the 60gb version for nothing
22:08:25drklabyrinthi have soem questions about rockbox
22:08:43drklabyrinthhopefully somone has some answers?
22:08:50dan_adrklabyrinth: Ask, if someone knows the answer they will say.
22:08:51fasmaiedrklabyrinth: ask away
22:09:03drklabyrinthi saw that some people had a theme to their rockbox
22:09:08drklabyrinthlike a background
22:09:14drklabyrinthand a WMP10 playbar
22:09:17drklabyrinthis that possible
22:09:22drklabyrinthor is it photoshopped
22:09:27fasmaiedrklabyrinth: what player are you using?
22:09:42fasmaieIt is possible
22:09:53fasmaieLook up the wps page for your player
22:10:28fasmaieHave you looked up the wps page for it?
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22:10:58drklabyrinthsomething like that
22:11:00drklabyrinthno i havent
22:11:16fasmaieDo so.....there should be something there you will like
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22:17:21Bagderdebauched_sloth: feel free to email me an updated bootloader binary and I'll put it on the download site
22:17:57debauched_slothBagder: I have attached it to our Wiki page, one sec and I'll grab you a link
22:18:40debauched_sloththank you
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22:18:53PaulPositionGhost, still here?
22:19:06Bagderbarrywardell_: your svn access is now fixed
22:19:35debauched_slothBagder: can you give me write access to Flyspray?
22:19:52BagderI think I already did
22:19:52PaulPositionTry the database setting file from the 3rd reply to this forum thread : ... I think it splits the database browser in 'A', 'B', ...
22:20:01*Bagder checks
22:20:06PaulPositionghost: But I didn't try it yet myself.
22:20:18Bagderdebauched_sloth: what's your user name there?
22:20:30debauched_slothGood question
22:20:44*debauched_sloth Checks
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22:21:43drklabyrinthhow do i know if i have a 5.5g or a 5g
22:21:58debauched_slothBagder: gwhite
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22:22:24linuxstbdrklabyrinth: Run "ipodpatcher [device]" and it will tell you the sector size - 2048 is 5.5g, 512 is 5g.
22:22:44ghost__PaulPosition: that would be nice if it worked thanks!
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22:37:32ZerapheAnyone know why my sda2 drive says it's 1% full?
22:37:48ZerapheI just restored the ipod.
22:38:26SlasheriNico_P: it seems like that patch needs to be rewritten. I am just doing that
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22:38:45Nico_PSlasheri: nice
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22:39:12Nico_Pwill it apply to all targets ?
22:39:31Slasheribut should be noticeable especially on ipods
22:39:38Slasherii will do other optimizations as well
22:40:05Nico_Pwhy ? because they have slow lcd drivers ?
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22:41:34linuxstbZeraphe: What is telling you it's 100% full?
22:42:01SlasheriNico_P: yep, lcd driver is slow and scrolling is _very_ slow
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22:42:21Slasheriwithout boosting cpu, you have to wait several seconds to scroll down one page
22:43:08linuxstbThe 5g's LCD isn't that slow - it's just big...
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22:44:05linuxstbThe data transfer rate is one of the fastest of all the Rockbox targets.
22:44:40Nico_Plinuxstb: is there still room for improvement ?
22:45:51Zeraphelinuxstb, The 'df' command. Also, it's not allowing a transfer.
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22:47:12linuxstbNico_P: I've no idea. I think the existing driver is based on reverse-engineering of the Apple diagnostics mode. Examination of how the main Apple firmware communicates with the LCD might bring improvements.
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22:49:11preglowlinuxstb: main problem is that you have to wait for the broadcom chip at some point during display, right?
22:49:46Zeraphelinuxstb, Okay, reformatting the drive worked, but now Rockbox is failing again.
22:50:27linuxstbpreglow: Yes, there has to be 14ms (I think) between two LCD updates.
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22:51:04linuxstbBut that's 70fps, and I don't think Rockbox should be attempting to redraw that often...
22:51:19preglowgood point
22:51:51preglowbut is there an actual sleep for 14ms involved still?
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22:52:52linuxstbThe sleep is at the start of the lcd_update function - if there was 14ms or more between the calls, that doesn't slow it down at all.
22:53:23linuxstbAlthough it doesn't check the time, there's a status register which is polled.
22:54:22linuxstbSo it basically waits for the previous update to finish, then starts the next one.
22:54:41preglow70 fps does seem a bit over the top anyway, yes...
22:55:21linuxstbAlthough amiconn has mentioned in the past that he thinks the actual text drawing can be optimised a lot.
22:55:38preglowi remember being told by the ipodlinux guys we'd be lucky if we got a couple of fps...
22:55:47linuxstb... by moving to a taret-specific font format.
22:55:55preglowyeah, sure
22:56:01linuxstbYes, they had no faith in their own work...
22:56:25InsectoidBah! Finally got the Cygwin build environment working.
22:56:39preglowcongratulations, you now have an annoyingly slow environment in which to work
22:56:51InsectoidNot as slow as the 400mhz Debian machine I've been using.
22:57:00linuxstbDon't be so sure...
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22:59:14ender`msys is about 3 times slower than colinux at compiling. and i was doing make -j3 in msys (since i have a dual-core CPU), and make -j2 in colinux (as it can only use 1 CPU)
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22:59:42Mikachuender`: can you run one colinux on each cpu?
23:00:34ender`if i ran 2 instances, each would probably get to work on it's own core
23:00:44Mikachu(my idea is to start a minimal environment on the second, with distccd)
23:00:59Mikachuperhaps you could just run distccd in windows, i don't know if there is a windows version
23:01:06ender`(and if it wouldn't, i could always force them each on it's own cpu)
23:01:06Mikachuprobably not though
23:01:22ender`i know it's possible to run distcc on cygwin, but it's slooow
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23:11:15ghost___PaulPosition: hello i tried what you suggested with the tagnavi.config, but it didn't show the entries, just the subordinate menus like "artist a-z" etc... what could i do?
23:11:41InsectoidThat's sort of kind of nifty.
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23:12:32InsectoidI patched in a Piezo thing to make the beep work, a bit failed, I patched it by hand, and apparently I screwed up. As soon as I hit the menu button, it started clicking. And hasn't stopped.
23:13:00amiconnlinuxstb: I didn't suggest moving to a target specific font format. That would be a distribution nightmare
23:13:51amiconnBut the font drawing can be optimised on the 16 bit targets by switching the target's mono bitmap format, and then composing mono bitmaps of a whole line before drawing
23:14:13linuxstbI thought you wanted to have horizontal and vertical packed mono formats?
23:14:26linuxstb(for fonts)
23:14:26amiconnYes, mono _bitmap_ formats
23:14:34amiconnThe font should stay as it is
23:14:41amiconnMost of the benefit will be for coldfire targets though, because we can then exploit line bursts
23:14:49Mikachunext commit is #12000 :)
23:15:07linuxstbI thought the fonts were just drawn using the standard bitmap functions though?
23:15:09amiconnThe arm targets with their data cache probably won't see a big speedup
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23:15:20amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, currently they are
23:15:40linuxstbSo you would change that?
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23:16:04amiconn...but nobody says it has to stay that way. We could flip the mono bitmap format and keep the font bitmap format
23:16:14linuxstbOf course.
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23:17:09amiconnOne point is keeping compatibility in order to avoid inflating the font package, or making it harder for the user by having two packages, with only one working depending on target
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23:18:04amiconnBut there is another point in keeping the current font format: with vertical packing, it is easier to combine the characters of a line into one bitmap before drawing it
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23:19:12amiconnAnd another (minor) advantage would be that it will be easier to add rotated text drawing (because we then need bit block rotation anyway)
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23:19:43amiconnBit block rotation can be done quite efficiently, especially on arm
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23:19:53amiconnSee the grayscale lib for an example of such code
23:20:55amiconnOne reason for the slow text drawing is that text consists of many tiny bitmaps, and drawing tiny bitmaps is harder to optimise than drawing big bitmaps
23:22:57amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, did you see my comments regarding AV3xx ?
23:23:04amiconndan_a: around?
23:23:08linuxstbOn another subject, what is the current 2bpp horizontal packing format used on the ipods? Do the most significant bits store the first or last pixel in the set of 4?
23:23:13dan_aamiconn: I'm here
23:23:45amiconndan_a: The 1k iram you mentioned, is that asm optimised memset + memmove?
23:23:53amiconnlinuxstb: Lemme check
23:24:09dan_aamiconn: memcpy and memmove. We already have a memset
23:24:21amiconnBlah, I meant those
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23:25:09amiconnIs it the linux glibc code e.g. mentioned here: ?
23:25:18amiconnI thought about adapting it myself...
23:25:28dan_aamiconn: That's the one, it adapts really easily
23:25:39linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I did, thanks. My current thought is using one video plane (for the backdrop), and one bitmap plane (for pixel-accurate drawing). But that would introduce palettes into Rockbox...
23:25:43amiconn1K in total for memcpy + memmove isn't bad
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23:26:01dan_aamiconn: 1k gain over what we had before
23:26:13amiconnOn coldfire the current implementation needs twice as much
23:26:40amiconn(but I'm working on bringing that down, while making it faster for short copies and for odd alignment)
23:26:46linuxstbAlthough I'm hoping I can find an existing LCD format that I can use in the early stages of the port - hence my 2bpp question.
23:27:00*ender` yawns
23:27:16dan_amemcpy-arm.o is 1500 bytes, memmove-arm.o is 1548
23:27:24amiconnlinuxstb: I wouldn't want pallettes in rockbox... but you could do 8bpp greyscale
23:27:38amiconndan_a: The .o is irrelevant
23:27:40linuxstbdan_a: Did you look at earHertz's forum posts?
23:27:58amiconnWhat counts is the actual code size
23:28:35amiconnThe .o is in elf format and contains a lot of additional junk that doesn't go into the binary
23:29:44dan_amemcpy: 668 bytes. memmove: 684 bytes
23:29:58amiconnlinuxstb: 2bit-horz is MSB left
23:30:09dan_alinuxstb: I have - I'll work out what they mean sometime soon
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23:30:36linuxstbamiconn: That's good, I think the av3xx is the same format for 2bpp...
23:31:01linuxstbSo at least I can delay dealing with a new LCD format until later.
23:31:09amiconnipl used to use LSB left, but that was the reason for the mirrored of
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23:31:44amiconnI flipped that, and the loader2 adapted that flipping
23:31:55amiconnDunno what the ipl core uses now
23:32:26amiconnlinuxstb: 8bpp is nearly trivial...
23:32:45linuxstbdan_a: Did he try the glibc version? All I remember is that his own version was faster than anything he found.
23:33:13dan_alinuxstb: His tests were from before the glibc version was available
23:33:44linuxstbdan_a: Ah, OK.
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23:38:33Nico_Pwould someone with svn write access consider commiting ?
23:38:58Nico_P(y coordinate for the progressbar, rewritten)
23:43:16amiconndan_a: Would be interesting to see how it influences performance on our other problematic ipod target, the G5...
23:43:27amiconnThe mem* functions are used in lcd operations...
23:43:51dan_aamiconn: Soap was testing on a G5
23:44:18*Soap is in love
23:44:21dan_a70% boost originally, 58% with the new memcpy
23:44:32amiconnnice :)
23:44:40preglowthat's almost unbelievable
23:44:49preglowcommit it! quickly!
23:45:06Soapand the audio buffer filled faster
23:45:15Soaptwo for one.
23:45:22dan_aIt just needs making more rockboxy, then I will
23:45:37preglowwould make a killer commit #12000 :)
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23:45:39amiconnThat's an effective speedup of 10%!
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23:47:59Nico_Pcould commit #12001 be progressbar y-coord ? :)
23:48:16amiconnSoap: Of course the audio buffer will fill faster when decoding needs less cpu
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23:48:45webguest26when u have rockbox can u still play your videos?
23:48:49dan_aOh, wait... there *could* be a licencing issue
23:49:13amiconndan_a: Iirc the ml post says gpl...
23:49:21Soapamiconn: true, I didn't think of it that way. I was just thinking two battery hogs (buffering and boost) reduced in one swoop.
23:49:49amiconndan_a: In fact I didn't expect such a big speedup from optimising mem* on arm, because of the data cache. Seems I was wrong on that one...
23:49:56linuxstbwebguest26: What are using Rockbox on? An ipod video?
23:50:23preglowi sure as hell didn't expect it
23:50:32dan_aamiconn: It's GPLv2.1 or later. Rockbox doesn't specify a version. If I understand correctly, that means that to use this we would need to be V2.1 or later
23:50:48webguest2630 gb
23:51:16linuxstbwebguest26: Rockbox won't play your videos, but you can dual-boot into the Apple firmware after you've installed Rockbox.
23:51:25webguest26yeah i know
23:51:28Mouser_XSince commits are being mentioned, anyone want to look at and see about that one?
23:51:40Mouser_XIf there's issues, please let HCS know in the comments.
23:52:20webguest26any plugins that can be added also?
23:52:32preglowdan_a: does rockbox specify a gpl version anywhere?
23:52:33linuxstbwebguest26: Rockbox has its own video player in development, but it's unlikely to become as good as the Apple player on the ipod video. See this page:
23:52:35webguest26besides what comes on it
23:52:35preglowif not, i believe it'll work out
23:52:53amiconndan_a: Rockbox specifies GPL v2 in COPYING, dunno what the differences between v2 and v2.1 are, and whether they make them incompatible
23:52:53Bagderrockbox is gpl 2
23:53:02Mikachumy rockbox.ipod is 440580 with the patch and 439644 without, i think
23:53:13BagderI don't know what gpl "2.1" is...
23:53:23linuxstbI've never heard of it either...
23:53:32preglowprobably some unoffical name for gpl2 + exception or something
23:53:39dan_aI've not seen a version specified anywhere, which according to docs/COPYING means "If the Program does not specify a version number of
23:53:39dan_athis License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software
23:53:40linuxstbIs it the lgpl?
23:54:14preglowlgpl does have a 2.1
23:54:17preglowit probably is that
23:54:34Mikachuglibc is hopefully lgpl, or it would be of limited use :)
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23:54:50Bagderbut lgpl => gpl is fine
23:54:53dan_aOh, yes, it's LGPL
23:54:59Bagderas the lgpl license text explaines
23:55:27preglowthen hooray!
23:55:44amiconnIf we include code under a different license, this should be added to docs/LICENSES
23:56:00Mikachuaren't there already lots of snippets from glibc in firmware/common?
23:56:13linuxstbYes, we have many different licenses in Rockbox now, with all the codecs (and maybe other things).
23:57:05linuxstbMaybe we should have a second credits file as well - for code we've incorporated without the original author's help.
23:57:10amiconnMikachu: Afaik, code in firmware/common, if imported, is often taken from newlib
23:57:22Bagderlinuxstb: yes, it would make sense
23:57:27Mikachuon closer inspection, i didn't see any references to glibc there
23:57:52BagderI don't think anything from glibc has been incorporated before

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