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#rockbox log for 2007-01-15

00:00:11*amiconn is now even using this setup _and_ the default wps _with_ peakmeters
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00:01:15amiconnStill, no skip (but the peakmeters are lagging quite a bit)
00:01:24preglowi think i had some ideas on how to further improve it
00:01:24Nico_Pamiconn: so no more complaints of people saying music skips like hell with the default wps ?
00:01:29preglowbut i can't remember them anymore...
00:01:47amiconnProbably due to realtime priority for the audio thread...
00:02:07amiconnNico_P: I dunno; never experienced massive skipping on my mini G2
00:02:19amiconnBut full eq did skip before the optimised memcpy
00:02:36preglowthe slowness of the eq on arm really annoys me...
00:02:53amiconnHrm, somehow it seems the eq causes distortions (?? not 100% sure)
00:03:14preglowamiconn: what kind?
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00:03:51amiconnHmm, hard to describe
00:04:09preglowas always, a sample always clears things up easier
00:04:13amiconnThe bass is a bit distorted, although I don't have overall positive gain in any band
00:04:36preglowwhat do you mean by that? you don't have any positive gain?
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00:06:06amiconnI have: precut -4.0 dB, Band 1-5: +4.0/-2.0/-6.0/-3.5/+2.0 dB
00:06:23amiconnFrequencies: 100/310/1000/3150/10000Hz, default Q
00:06:45preglowdoes the distortion vanish when you use more precut?
00:07:12preglowit's not impossible for the eq to distort at those settings, though
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00:07:55preglowthe max amplitude in the time domain does not necessarily limit itself to the freq domain one, which is what you specify in the eq settings
00:08:03amiconnIs there some overshoot in the transfer function?
00:08:04preglowit depends on the q setting
00:08:05linuxstb_mirak: Hi
00:08:19preglowamiconn: not in the transfer function, but in the pulse response
00:08:24preglowamiconn: and yes, that's what i'm talking about
00:08:28amiconnhmm, ok
00:08:34preglowamiconn: the higher the q, the bigger the overshoot
00:08:49preglowamiconn: a q of 0.5 should give you no overshoot whatsoever, the default q has some tiny overshoot
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00:09:33webguest95I finished doing the bootloader thign and it says it should start rockbox but nothings happening
00:09:57jamesshuanghi everyone, just out of raw curiousity, how hard do you think it would be to implement a truetype font renderer with antialiasing on rockbox?
00:10:09jamesshuangit's probably utterly useless, but it sure would look nifty :-D
00:10:15linuxstb_webguest95: Are you still in the Apple firmware?
00:10:39webguest95idk why
00:10:47preglowhmm, i forgot that the q value in the eq isn't strictly the same as the usual definition for peaking filters
00:10:50preglowi'll need to fix that one day
00:10:59*preglow adds to his TODO
00:11:43linuxstb_webguest95: When you disconnected your ipod, did it restart? If not, try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds.
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00:11:52webguest95Did that
00:11:55amiconnpreglow: Hrrm, forget this. The distortion is in the source material....
00:12:09preglowfinally something that's not my fault :)
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00:12:29webguest95Can you help me to tell me what to type in code??
00:12:30preglowand in a related matter, distortion in the source material is (regrettably) not very rare anymore :///
00:12:32linuxstb_webguest95: Then the bootloader didn't install. Did the ipodpatcher command give you any error messages?
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00:13:00scorcheLlorean: having fun in the forums?
00:13:04webguest95It said something about refusing to look at the dsic
00:13:10webguest95Can you help me from begginning to end?
00:13:50linuxstb_webguest95: Do you have a folder at the top-level of your C: drive called "Rockbox", with the files ipodpatcher.exe and bootloader-ipod?????.ipod (???? is your ipod type).
00:13:57Aloneaok, so I need to open up this tex file with something?
00:14:36webguest95Wheres the top level
00:14:45SoapI like how threads/replies are killed on HydrogenAudio. "TOS#9 Violation" is the only thing left.
00:14:59linuxstb_At the top... The same place the "Windows" folder is.
00:15:41scorcheJdGordon: when talking about archos rombox size, it helps to say which device it is
00:15:46webguest95all of its on desktop
00:16:15JdGordonscorche: the recorder build.... is that v1?
00:16:42scorcheit could be
00:16:52JdGordonthats the one i checked with
00:16:58scorcheif you are talking about in configure, it is
00:16:58webguest95what do i do linux
00:17:32scorcheFM recorder has the largest amount to be chopped off
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00:17:53linuxstb_webguest95: Create a new folder called "Rockbox" at the top-level of your C: drive, and put those two files in it.
00:18:01pixelmaAlonea: just open it with a decent text editor
00:18:19webguest95there are 3 files
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00:18:49webguest95now what
00:19:37webguest95I have a Video iPod 30GB if that helps 5G
00:20:11linuxstb_Open a command prompt, then type "cd \rockbox" (without the quotes) and press enter.
00:20:39linuxstb_Then "ipodpatcher −−scan" and make a note of the number printed on the last line - it will be something like "disk device 1".
00:21:13webguest95ok done
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00:21:23bluebrotherAlonea, tex files are simple text files. Just use a text editor
00:21:31linuxstb_What number was it?
00:21:50linuxstb_Now "ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod"
00:21:50bluebrotherusing one with syntax hightlighting usually helps ;-)
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00:23:16webguest95is it done?
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00:23:28linuxstb_That's it. You've now installed the bootloader. You should now do what section 2.2.2 says in the manual - download the main Rockbox zip file, and the Rockbox fonts zip file and extract the contents directly onto your ipod.
00:23:47webguest95where in my ipod
00:24:00n1sthe root
00:24:21linuxstb_Have a look in Explorer. Maybe E:
00:24:23n1sdirectly on the ipod, not in a folder
00:24:45webguest95How do I do that?
00:24:52webguest95on the ipod???
00:25:09linuxstb_Have you downloaded the zip files?
00:25:23webguest95long time ago
00:25:31linuxstb_If you right-click on them, do you have an "extract to" option?
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00:25:59webguest95it has .rockbox and .rockbox.ipod
00:26:04linuxstb_Then select that, and choose E:\ (assuming your ipod is E:)
00:26:17webguest95Select what
00:26:22Phish|the files
00:26:26linuxstb_The "extract to" option.
00:27:01webguest95this file already exists
00:27:08webguest95Do I overwrite
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00:27:32linuxstb_Yes. But it looks like you've already done this step then.
00:27:45webguest95but this one is bigger?!?
00:27:52webguest95the one i did now is smaller than before
00:28:18webguest95now what
00:28:39linuxstb_Safely disconnect your ipod, and it should start Rockbox.
00:28:47webguest95Safely disconnect?
00:28:55webguest95Theres more than one way?
00:29:43webguest95This looks awesome
00:29:59Mikachuyou could use scissors
00:30:08Mikachuthat would not qualify as safely though
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00:30:41linuxstb_It would do if you point the scissors downwards and don't run.
00:31:00webguest95How do I listen to songs?
00:31:19Mikachuput earphones in your ear, connect to ipod, follow steps in manual
00:31:38linuxstb_Read the FAQ - and then the manual -
00:32:12linuxstb_Rockbox works differently to the Apple firmware, so it's helpful to read the documentation.
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00:33:08webguest95are my songs gone?
00:33:20n1sno, they are hidden
00:33:22linuxstb_That's answered in the FAQ.
00:33:22webguest95And can I put them in with itunes?
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00:33:29linuxstb_And so is that...
00:33:41n1slook for the database in the manual
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00:33:58Aloneabluebrother: ok, I opened up the gigabeatf.tex and its just a bunch of newcommand stuff.
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00:34:39n1sAlonoea, that's the gigabeat buttons mostly
00:35:34n1sAlonea: what do you want to change?
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00:36:00Alonean1s: So what file do I open up to edit the manual..I am sooo confused. I think I will just submit something to what I was originally thinking. I am trying to fix the gigabeat manual. Was told to go in that folder..
00:36:16linuxstb_All those files are in the gigabeat manual - normally one per chapter.
00:36:25linuxstb_(well, most of them)
00:37:28bluebrotherAlonea, what exactly do you want to change? The platform files change rarely, so in most cases you won't need to change anything there
00:37:29n1sAlonea: all the mauals are built from the same files, the platform file is the one specific for each player, and the other files have different sections included for different players
00:38:27bluebrotherexample: you describe the buttons for a plugin. So for the gigabeat, you would write something like
00:38:50n1sfor example if you want to edit the main menu, open /manual/main_menu/main.tex
00:39:26bluebrotherthis will expand to the macro \ButtonDown, which itself is defined in the plaform file, so it prints the correct value
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00:40:02bluebrotherif the manual isn't build for the gigabeat this will get replaced by a space (which will get eliminated mostly automatically)
00:41:35bluebrotherso you just need to open e.g. plugins/doom.tex and just add the keys like they are already in.
00:42:18bluebrotheryou can make complete blocks optional. For example, the archos players don't need a bootloader, so this section gets omitted for them
00:45:13bluebrothersorry, got to go now. The ManualHowto and LatexGuidelines wiki pages should explain most basics. Feel free to ask me again tomorrow.
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00:51:17InsectoidAnything on this Eloquence stopping generation of mp3 clips? It stops sometimes 20 files in, some times 350.
00:52:02InsectoidWhich is rather bad as I just got a new english.lang with several new things in it and I rather need it to talk.
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00:56:34Nico_Psomeone want to have a look at my wps tokenizing code ?
00:57:09Alonean1s: ok, none of that made a word of sense. I am talking about the pdf manual for the gigabeat. it needs a little updating. So I was going to post the changes that should be made since I cant make pdfs...this button stuff..@@
00:58:06Febs___Alonea: the pdfs are made automatically. The manual is written in LaTex, and then compiled, generating the PDFs.
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00:58:34Phish|Soap: do you have that info on making a line-in dock connector?
00:58:35AloneaFebs___: Ok, but what file is the manual?
00:58:43FebsIt is a number of files.
00:58:49SoapPhish|: what info do you need?
00:59:03Soapi used the pin-out on the ipodlinux wiki
00:59:09Phish|you had said you might do a quick tutorial on making them
00:59:17Phish|ah, i shall look that up
00:59:36Soapyea, I've been busy - it will be at least a week.
00:59:45AloneaFebs: Where would the files be at in the first place? Someone said by chapter at one point, but I dont see such a thing.
00:59:46Febsrockbox.tex is the main file.
00:59:49Phish|ok, well let me see if i can sort it out from the wiki
00:59:52Phish|and save you the trouble
01:00:01Phish|i didn't know that info was available when we last talked
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01:00:32FebsThat file, in turn, contains instructions to input the other chapters. For example: \input{getting_started/main.tex}
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01:00:56FebsThat line puts the file getting_started/main.tex into the manual.
01:01:04SoapPhish|: I forget if line-in is pins 3,4 or if line-out is 3,4. Whichever one is 5,6 - I cut 3,4 and 7,8 to make more room
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01:01:40n1sAlonoea: just writing a list of proposed changes is of course much better than nothing if you do not want to deal with the LaTeX stuff. Got to go to sleep now 'night
01:01:42SoapPhish|: I also put a slim piece of cardboard between the pins when working to prevent solder mistakes from sticking where you don't want them to stick.
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01:01:55Phish|ah, good idea
01:01:57Febsmain.tex, in turn, inputs installation.tex, which is the installation instructions. THAT file inputs various other files which contain specific instructions for installing on various platofrms.
01:01:58Aloneaok, I will just do that n1s. night
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01:02:31FebsIf you don't want to deal withe the LaTex, write up whatever you feel should be changed, and submit it to the patch tracker under the category "manual."
01:02:43Phish|yeah, 5 and 6 are line in
01:02:52Soapand make sure you secure the cable in the strain-relief boot, preferably with glue, to prevent twisting forces from breaking your connections.
01:03:57Aloneathat was what I was going to originally do, but I wanted to submit a word doc, then someone said do tex and it went downhill from there. Now I see everyone uses linux or something and cannot read word docs...I was just trying to make it easy to read
01:03:57Phish|so then i only need pins 1,5, and 6
01:04:09LloreanAlonea: .txt
01:04:21Phish|using pin 1 because the microphone has a power source, so i'd rather not leave that unchecked
01:05:11AloneaLlorean: I will. Though it throws off my my whole entire system.
01:05:17Soappins 1 and 2 are connected on the ipod motherboard.
01:05:18linuxstb_Phish|: Which ipod do you have?
01:05:25Soapmake sure you verify which side is up!
01:05:30FebsAlonea: huh?!
01:05:58Phish|linuxstb: i have a 4g greyscale and a 5g 30gb
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01:06:31linuxstb_Phish|: OK. I was hoping you had a Nano - I don't think anyone has done a reliable test with the Nano's line-in yet.
01:06:53Phish|i know a few people who have them
01:07:21Phish|i might be able to convince them to let me use one for a few days to try it
01:07:25AloneaFebs: I used to beta stories for people and they like to easily see what is generally being changed. I am pasting section number then highlighting what I am changing if its a typo or sayind add, and then what should be added.
01:07:29safetydanNico_P: from a brief skim, your WPS code looks good. Short, and understandable, unlike the current mess :)
01:08:13linuxstb_Is it in sync with current SVN?
01:08:25Nico_Psafetydan: thanks :) have you given up on this ?
01:08:36Nico_Plinuxstb_: it's not a patch, it's independant
01:08:42Nico_Pstill work in progress
01:08:48safetydanNico_P, no, just had no time to really do much useful with Rockbox
01:09:10safetydanthat, and I'm not even sure if I have commit access anymore after my mailing list mistake :)
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01:09:15Nico_Psafetydan: so you don't mind if i try to finish this ?
01:10:01preglowyou'd better have, you've got some eq graphing support to finish!
01:10:22safetydanNico_P, I'd be extremely happy for someone to finish it
01:10:33Nico_Psafetydan: cool, i'll try
01:10:51safetydanCleaning up the WPS code is going to major win for code size and readability I hope.
01:11:10Nico_PI think i'm up to the task (unlike for metadata on buffer)
01:12:17safetydanpreglow, once I figure out how to divide a two very large, very similar numbers in fixed point I'll let you know :)
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01:13:21Soapscorche: do you hear that? you need a line-in scorche ?
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01:14:17SoapPhish|: I also suggest doing some pratice runs assembling and disassembling the connectors, esp. the metal hooked clips - they are much more difficult to assemble when restrained by wires.
01:15:11Phish|yeah i figured as much
01:15:15Nico_Pis there someone who knows the wps code well ?
01:15:30Phish|where did you get the actual plug for the other end of the connector?
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01:15:37Phish|to plug the mic or line-in cable in
01:16:05safetydanNico_P, I don't think there's any one person that really knows the WPS code
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01:16:49Nico_Pthat's what i feared... but what i'd need would just be a quick description about what part of the code does what
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01:17:07Nico_Pit would help a lot because the code is a real maze
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01:17:24Phish|Nico_P: that's an understatement
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01:18:12HigherBeinghi guys, I just installed rockbox on my 5g ipod, and have a little question, and wondered if u guys can help, i have 50gb of content loaded onto my ipod from itunes, can rockbox read that content?
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01:18:53FebsAt least, Rockbox can read unprotected music content.
01:19:02SoapPhish|: I got the plugs from other projects.
01:19:08FebsUse the database.
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01:19:26HigherBeingsee i've been reading the manual, and i cant find that option for some reason
01:19:30Phish|Soap: rgr
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01:19:30Nico_Pbtw, i'm still hoping someone could commit my progressbar y-coord patch rewrite
01:19:49safetydanHigherBeing, you may find the iPod FAQ useful
01:19:51Nico_Potherwise i'll force it in through the WPS tokenizer :)
01:20:10Soapwhy settle for progress bar having a setable Y cord. Why not give every element in the WPS a setable Y?
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01:20:21preglowsafetydan: nah, they're actually very small and very equal :>
01:20:25FebsHigherBeing: as well as chapter 4.2 of the Rockbox Manual.
01:20:30LloreanPerhaps it's time for WPS2.0?l
01:20:30HigherBeingthx safetydan, imma check it out (btw sorry for bothering u guys with n00b q's lol ;)
01:20:30preglowlike 1/2 and the like
01:20:54LloreanInstead of trying to "fix" the mess that exists now, reevaluate it, since it's all a pile of patches on top of what was originally a text-only system.
01:21:36Soapexactly - if you're breaking the "text line" layout for one element...
01:22:14AloneaLlorean: I know you said .txt, but would html be acceptable?
01:22:45LloreanAlonea: I'd imagine most people who can get to the webpage that the patch tracker is on have something that can render HTML. ;)
01:23:10AloneaLlorean: alright, that would be muuuch easier than .txt
01:23:29Nico_PLlorean: WPS 2.0 :) that's tempting but i think amiconn has viewports in mind for this
01:23:58Nico_PSoap: nice idea but that seems a bit out of scope for what i'm working on
01:24:38Nico_Por maybe i could try to redo the whole WPS system but that would require serious discussion with the devs
01:24:43Nico_Pmaybe even a new WPS code
01:24:46JdGordonNico_P: I belive the idea for viewports is going t be lower down and the wps would use one or a few viewports to dispay it.. i.e it wot be wps only
01:25:44safetydanI think just fixing the WPS system not to reparse every time and simplifying the parser should be enough to start with
01:25:46LloreanYeah, as far as I'm concerned, Viewports should be considered a separate goal than WPSes, since in theory they should just be virtual screens which could for example render the menu on half the screen while still showing a portion of the WPS viewport, or whatnot.
01:26:39Nico_Pyeah, i didn't see viewports as something that powerful... they become much more interesting to me now :)
01:27:25Nico_PJdGordon: how would you feel about commiting the cuesheet patch ? is there some things you see left to do ?
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01:30:55webguest18when u see ur tracks on rockbox why do most of them say untagge
01:31:40Soapbecause they are
01:31:41Lloreanwebguest18: Because they aren't properly tagged?
01:31:57linuxstb_What type of files are they, and what type of tags do they have?
01:33:35webguest18know any more sites to get themes or whatever else for rockbox?
01:33:52Lloreanwebguest18: "mp3" only answers the first of linuxstb_'s two questions.
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01:34:09webguest18what the hell do u mean by whattype
01:34:28LloreanIt's not a complicated question...
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01:34:44webguest18what type of tags r they?
01:34:45Phish|webguest18: may i suggest that you go to google, search "mp3 wiki" and do some reading about mp3s
01:34:57webguest18shut up
01:35:01Lloreanwebguest18: What type of tags? ID3v1, ID3v2.3, ID3v2.4?
01:35:06AloneaOk, on the gigabeat, when you hold down the "Menu" button a little quick menus comes up for changing the repeat mode, shuffle, and the file structure, is there an official name for it?
01:35:09webguest18my ipod works fine i can see every song name
01:35:11webguest18its my friends
01:35:26MikachuAlonea: quick screen?
01:35:30webguest18where do u find out what type of tags?
01:35:37Lloreanwebguest18: Well, if you can't answer the questions it's pretty much impossible for us to know why it doesn't work.
01:35:41webguest18just click properties on it?
01:35:50LloreanCheck in any decent tagging program.
01:36:07AloneaMikachu: well, so far I did not see it in the manual. I guess Quick Screen would be ok. I shall add it to Basic Concepts.
01:36:13LloreanAnd I would strongly suggest you watch your language a little bit in here, and treat people more politely. Nobody is obligated to help you.
01:36:59LloreanAlonea: It's often called the quick screen or quick menu, yes. I'd check for both of those already existing in the manual and see which is the official term. At least they ought to be in the H100, iPod, etc manuals.
01:37:18Mikachui have only heard quick screen, and i think it's quick_screen() in the code
01:37:35webguest18well for 1 who doesnt know about mp3;s
01:37:40webguest18he was tryin to be smart
01:38:06Mouser_XNo he wasn't.
01:38:17AloneaLlorean: its referred I think in this one part saying that special menues for quick acces exist, but not what they are. shall look init further to see if its named or referred to again.
01:38:20Mouser_XHe was trying to help you figure out how to answer the question that was asked to you.
01:38:24FebsAlonea: The Quick Screen is described in section 5.11. It should probably also be identified in the basic concepts section.
01:38:26Lloreanwebguest18: I can pretty much guarantee you're the only person in here who doesn't know about the different versions of ID3.
01:38:32webguest18about researching for mp3's?
01:38:47webguest18ur prob right
01:38:51Lloreanwebguest18: His suggestion was so that you would be better capable of answering any future questions we asked you.
01:38:51webguest18teach me more about that
01:38:54FebsIt's descirbed in that section as the "Quick Menu."
01:39:16pixelmaAlonea: it's called Quick menu in the manuals (those where it's already implemented (would be chapter 5.11 - currently missing in the Gigabeat manual)
01:39:20webguest18how is it my ipod i can see all my tracks properly names
01:39:23Lloreanwebguest18: The idea is "Teach yourself". You're as capable of reading something already typed out in wikipedia as whatever I could type.
01:39:24webguest18and my buddies shows untagged?
01:39:28Aloneayes, that chapter is indeed missing
01:39:38Lloreanwebguest18: Because his files are not properly tagged, perhaps?
01:39:44HigherBeingok I've gotten further now, and have installed fubar, and the foo_pod file, but with that file foobar crashes, does any1 know ?
01:39:52webguest18k and tagged meaning not named properly?
01:40:01Lloreanwebguest18: No, the filename has nothing to do with it.
01:40:11Mouser_Xwebguest18: No, the ID3 tags are different.
01:40:14Lloreanwebguest18: I'm talking about the ID3 tags that hold information like "Artist" "Album" "Genre" and "Title"
01:40:29Mouser_XLlorean can type faster than I.
01:40:32LloreanHigherBeing: I would suggest asking in the *foobar* support location.
01:40:33webguest18when he goes to track, says all untagged
01:40:45Lloreanwebguest18: Meaning their tags are either improper, or missing.
01:41:10webguest18when they play they r abbreviated i believe
01:41:18Mouser_XOr, a format that isn't supported.
01:41:23robin0800foo_pod does not work with the latest version of Foobar2000
01:41:30Mouser_XThey might be APE tags, or something.
01:41:30HigherBeingi got .83
01:41:32FebsAnd I don't think that foo_pod is supported in the .9.x version of Foobar.
01:41:40FebsBeaten to it.
01:41:44webguest18what is foobar
01:41:45LloreanMouser_X: APE tags on MP3 *are* improper. :-P
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01:41:49HigherBeingi downloaded the recommended version
01:42:04LloreanHigherBeing: But why are you asking about Foobar and foo_pod in #Rockbox, rather than say the foobar forums?
01:42:40FebsLet's back up. HigherBeing, what is it that you are trying to accomplish?
01:42:41HigherBeingbecause i figured that others here might have done the same thing i have, and know the answer to the ultimate solution since that was their goal aswell
01:43:14robin0800foobars good for adding replaygain tags
01:43:34LloreanHigherBeing: Rockbox's goal is completely unrelated to Foobar or Foo_pod...
01:43:34HigherBeingI have 50gb of content transfered to my ipod via itunes, i dont feel like reloading all that, and I'm trying to use rockbox and have it sort everything correctly not in these weird f00 folders
01:43:45webguest18u have to read
01:43:49webguest18teach yourself
01:43:52robin0800Rockbox supports replaygain
01:44:00webguest18right mouser?
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01:44:20FebsHigherBeing: use the database.
01:44:35HigherBeingFebs thats what i'm trying to do
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01:44:45HigherBeingbut i dont understand how to
01:44:45FebsNo, you're not.
01:44:57linuxstb_foo_pod won't help you with the Rockbox database...
01:44:58HigherBeingfrom what i read and understood i needed foobar to create the database
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01:45:03FebsDid you read chapter 4.2 of the Rockbox Manual as I suggested earlier?
01:45:07webguest18here u go do this
01:45:11HigherBeingi read the faq
01:45:20webguest18thats how u do the database
01:45:40webguest18go to general settings: file view: database
01:45:44webguest18load ram yes
01:45:49webguest18auto update yes
01:45:55webguest18initialize now
01:46:22linuxstb_HigherBeing: foo_pod is used to create the database used by the Apple firmware from files you've copied manually (i.e. without using itunes) to your ipod. That's not what you want to do.
01:46:34webguest18upate now. then go back to file view and select show all files and click database
01:46:43linuxstb_You want to create the Rockbox database from files transferred by itunes...
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01:47:14HigherBeingwell shit that was easy then
01:47:28webguest18who u talkin to HigherBeing
01:47:37webguest18where do u get more themes?
01:47:47Mikachumaybe you should ask u
01:47:50safetydanWell, HigherBeing's confusing is probably related to this:
01:48:01HigherBeingthats what i was reading
01:48:09FebsBut that also says this: "The Rockbox equivalent to the iTunes database is simply called Database. This will build a unified database containing both the music you have transfered using iTunes and music you have just copied to your iPod's hard disk, and allow you to browse it by Artist, Album, Genre etc."
01:48:22linuxstb_We should probably delete those foo_pod references - AFAIK, it's never worked reliably.
01:48:36safetydanwebguest18, where have you looked? The only place I know of is either the forums or
01:49:25webguest18only place ive been is rockbox
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01:49:27*Febs tries to edit the IpodFAQ and finds that linuxstb has beaten him to it.
01:49:27Phish|I don't know if anyone currently here would know about this, but are there actual legal restrictions that deal with allowing rockbox to legally/properly handle Apple DRM?
01:49:46webguest18yea ive been there
01:49:53webguest18wish someone would make some more
01:50:21Febs"Someone" could be you.
01:50:29LloreanPhish|: Decrypting it in the US for playback would qualify as a breach of the DMCA, I believe. Even if you had a legal right to access the content, the decryption itself is still a violation.
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01:50:30webguest18what does the disk spindown mean?
01:50:33webguest18yea i wish
01:50:36FebsOr should I say, "Someone could be u."
01:50:50Phish|Llorean: thanks
01:51:02Phish|i think we had talked about this the other day
01:51:08robin0800download one you sorta like and modify it
01:51:13Phish|tis unfortunate that this is the case
01:51:15webguest18how do u modify them
01:51:18webguest18what program u need?
01:51:23linuxstb_Febs: I've finished, feel free to edit some more.
01:51:40HigherBeinghow do i know when its done initializing?
01:52:11webguest18ull see a cd in top right
01:52:12webguest18it spings
01:52:12robin0800notepad paint
01:52:14webguest18it spins
01:52:23webguest18when thats done its done initializin
01:52:32HigherBeingah ok...
01:52:47webguest18would u guys prefer putting on directory cache?
01:53:23safetydanwebguest18, it depends on what you want. dircache makes file browsing more responsive at the cost of battery life
01:53:34webguest18so it saves battery?
01:53:37webguest18or no?
01:53:45Lloreanwebguest18: It saves battery if you browse a lot.
01:53:51webguest18got ya
01:53:52LloreanIf you browse the filetree, specifically, not database.
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01:54:13webguest18so it doesnt hurt it to have it on?
01:54:18linuxstb_Although doesn't the tagcache auto-update rely on dircache?
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01:54:49webguest18what about disk spin down, what setting u guys recommend?
01:55:06Phish|webguest18: the rockbox defaults are pretty good
01:55:20webguest18which is 5 i believe
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01:55:29Phish|hold on, i'll checl
01:55:38Lloreanlinuxstb_: I thought the dependence had been removed, but I'm not really sure
01:56:23Phish|webguest18: yeah, it's 5 seconds
01:56:46webguest18what if u dont browse for songs a lot, is directory cache bad to have on or does it use more battery?
01:58:00Lloreanwebguest18: It can use more battery, but nobody's really sure at exactly what point it becomes better to have it disabled. Really, if you're not sure, you should probably just have it on.
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01:58:24webguest18i do
01:58:27Soapwhat does dir cache cost other than playback buffer?
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01:58:57sk8deamonhi i am new to rockbox and i have installed working rockbox but now i have reformated my ipod and wanted help getting this skin if possible
01:59:03LloreanSoap: That's it.
01:59:07sk8deamoncan someone help with this
01:59:21sk8deamoni am good at following steps instructions
01:59:23Soapsk8deamon: what iPod?
01:59:35sk8deamonipod photo 30 gb
02:00:31robin0800think you need a special build
02:00:43Soapyou can either install pijulius' unsupported (and old as Moses) build from the forums (assuming he still offers it), or (assuming he still offers the patches as they aren't in the tracker) patch a current build yourself (they are WAY out of date) or forget you ever saw that website.
02:01:17sk8deamonhe doesnt offer the file anymore
02:01:28sk8deamonand i never patched anything
02:01:37sk8deamonso thats the problem
02:01:44linuxstb_Then Soap's last option seems the only one...
02:01:51Soapthen outside of hooking up with someone who has an old copy lying around, consider his efforts effectively dead until he comes back.
02:01:52sk8deamonand that skin is way too good to leave alone
02:02:02sk8deamonoh k
02:02:30sk8deamonanyone here have jBlackGlass for iPod Photo/Color working please help
02:02:45robin0800senabs builds are up to date and might run that theme but dont think his builds support your iPod
02:02:51SoapYelling at him (politely) to post his (even ugly and outdated) patches to the tracker is in order.
02:03:03Soapsenab is NOT building with PiJ's patches.
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02:03:28yipewas that guy on 24 using rockbox on his archOS MP3 player?
02:03:34SoapIt is a shame when code disapears because it never gets put on the tracker.
02:03:40Phish|does Senab's build contain the scrollwheel patch for the 5g?
02:03:47SoapPhish|: yes
02:03:53*Phish| vibrates
02:04:07Phish|time to download it
02:04:12sk8deamonwell does anyone have any thing to compare to that theme
02:04:17sk8deamonthat i can get
02:04:34Soapnot the new methodology which is being worked on, but an older attempt to replicate the Apple FW scroll behavior.
02:05:05Soapas far as eye-candy, sk8deamon, there are only a handful of patches that I am aware of which are current.
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02:05:30Phish|your best bet is just to go with a theme that runs on the official builds
02:06:07sk8deamonthat theme was the only reason actually i downloaded this rockbox
02:06:18robin0800unless you realy like album art
02:06:24Soapalbum art, scroll margins, y-cord position progress bar, and slider progress bar.
02:06:47robin0800not to mention cop
02:06:56sk8deamonwell if someone can help me i can certainly donate some money
02:06:58Soapis that eye-candy?
02:07:05Phish|what is cop?
02:07:16Phish|i noticed senab's builds mention it
02:07:40robin0800but graphics and responce is much faster with it
02:07:46Soapmoving the audio thread to the second core of the iPod CPU.
02:08:32Soapsk8deamon: if you are unwilling to patch - any WPS except the PiJ ones will work with Senab's build.
02:09:12sk8deamonsee i am have no clue how to patch
02:09:19sk8deamoni can follow instructions
02:09:37Soapit will take a lot. His patches, even if you can get them, are way out of date.
02:09:58SoapThey will require a bit of reworking to get functional again.
02:10:11sk8deamonthe patches are on his website
02:10:19Soap(and from what I gather they were never _very_ functional to begin with)
02:10:44sk8deamonwell do u know anyone good enough to rework them
02:10:56sk8deamoni can definetly pay like $30
02:11:17robin0800senab's build uses patches from the tracker
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02:12:06Phish|i'm installing senab's cop build now
02:14:08robin0800I like it a lot
02:14:10Phish|LOL at the xbox360 theme
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02:17:32robin0800Phish| do you like senab's build?
02:19:22Phish|havent turned it on yet
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02:19:38Phish|getting some senab-specific themes
02:20:06robin0800from where
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02:26:18robin0800Thanks never seen that page before
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02:38:48webguest75How do I get doom on my iPod?
02:38:58webguest75I already have RockBox
02:39:24Lloreanwebguest75: I suggest you take a look at the manual...
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02:42:19Soapif sublime was the least bit polite I'd offer him assisstance.
02:42:32sk8deamoni had rockbox runing but i restarted it and now its stuck on rockbox splash screen
02:42:49sk8deamonany ideas
02:42:51Phish|sk8deamon: hold select and menu until it reboots
02:42:57Soaphow long has it been on the splash-screen?
02:43:14linuxstbwebguest75: The manual on the website is out of date - where it says "/games/doom/", replace with "/.rockbox/doom/"
02:43:26sk8deamonso far 3 mins
02:44:23linuxstbsk8deamon: Are you running senab's build?
02:44:51sk8deamonthe one dan_a gave me before he left
02:44:51linuxstbJust try resetting - hold MENU+SELECT.
02:44:53Phish|it's safe to delete ipod_control if i dont plan to use the apple fw, correct?
02:44:56sk8deamoni did
02:45:08pixelmaLlorean: what do you think - would making the following two topics a sticky thread be of any help in the apple installation forum ("rockbox error: -1" and "how to manually boot into disk mode")? Would people read those?
02:45:16linuxstbTry a settings reset - turn the hold switch on as soon as you see the Rockbox bootloader appear.
02:46:01Lloreanpixelma: My experience is that stickies rather regularly get ignored, but I think creating one "Very Frequently Asked Question" sticky would be okay, with a link to the further IpodFAQ wiki page for the rest of the questions.
02:46:06linuxstbpixelma: I think we need some kind of "troubleshooting" page in the wiki or manual, and then as make as many links as we can to it.
02:49:32Phish|we also need someone to make a primer on WPS editing
02:49:41Phish|i'd devote the time if i had it :-/
02:50:09linuxstbIsn't there already a simple guide to WPS writing?
02:50:16pixelmayes... would be worth a try. I tried to think of something because I also experienced that the forum search function is broken sometimes (not that I get the impression that many people use it :/ )
02:50:18Phish|i havent seen it
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02:50:31pixelmathere are two in the wiki
02:50:48Phish|oh god, why does senab's build have the default text color as orange
02:50:50pixelmawps guides I mean
02:50:54Soappixelma: I think Llorean's point was made ;)
02:51:06SoapPhish|: he doesn't.
02:51:34robin0800reload a theme
02:51:35Phish|hmmm, that was really odd
02:51:40Phish|reloading my theme didn't fix it
02:51:46Phish|but a menu + select reboot did
02:51:49Soapclear your settings.
02:52:10Soapas soon as you see the small text "loading rockbox" put the hold switch into the on position.
02:52:15webguest75I cant find out how to play doom
02:52:28webguest75Where are the doom wads?
02:52:58Phish|this is broken
02:53:08Phish|pressing menu in any of the settings screens crashes my ipod
02:53:20Phish|is the cop build not intended for the 5g 30gb?
02:53:36SoapPhish|: when did you first install rockbox?
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02:53:46Phish|Soap: a week ago
02:53:48Phish|at most
02:54:04SoapWhen you it black text on a light blue background or white text on a black background BEFORE the splash screen?
02:54:11Phish|white on black
02:54:29Phish|though it wont boot at all now
02:54:32Soapdid you reset settings?
02:54:54Phish|oh this is cute
02:55:32Phish|it now doesnt get recognized by windows
02:55:38robin0800did you downlad the right one ?
02:55:56Phish|i downloaded the most recent senab_cop
02:56:26robin0800for your particular ipod i mean't
02:56:57Soapdid you download the 32MB/30GB or 64MB/60GB build?
02:57:24linuxstbPhish|: You should ask senab for help with his version of Rockbox... Or at least find out exactly what he's changed. Some people patch the USB behaviour for example.
02:57:44Phish|i'm gonna go stick it on my charger
02:57:45webguest75Is there a way to change the font in your iPod?
02:57:49Phish|and see if that will make it boot
02:58:16linuxstbwebguest75: Have you read the manual?
02:59:04linuxstbThen you know the answer.
02:59:09Soaplinuxstb: he has patched the USB behavior.
02:59:34Phish|ok, there we go
02:59:34Soapplugging in the cable won't cause a reboot unless you press menu while doing it - the opposite of normal.
02:59:34webguest75No I dont
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02:59:39webguest75Which section do I have to look at?
02:59:51robin0800not that i'm certain it works
03:00:11Phish|so is the coprocessor version not meant for the 30gb 5g?
03:00:38Phish|unless i've just got something screwed up....i shall try removing rockbox and installing from scratch
03:00:41webguest75linux where do I find out?
03:00:43linuxstbPhish|: It should work on all ipods.
03:01:04SoapPhish|: if it were the COP patch, you would be the first one to suffer.
03:01:17robin0800don't know I have a 60gb
03:01:25linuxstbwebguest75: Section 7.3. Also make sure you installed the fonts - see section 2.2.2
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03:02:03Phish|ok, it's a bug with a menu apparently
03:02:12Phish|it happens when you hit the menu button from the top level of the sound settings menu
03:02:28Phish|Undefined instruction at 0001ADC0
03:02:39Soapyou should report that in his thread.
03:02:52Phish|already on the way :)
03:10:24Phish|what cases do you guys use for your ipods?
03:10:30Phish|ipod video owners, specifically
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03:11:07Soapa speck case which doubles the thickness of my ipod with super-beefy rubber.
03:11:28SoapPhish|: see pm
03:11:28Phish|i have one of those for my 4g
03:12:26Mikachui use my pocket :)
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03:15:15Phish|i'm thinking about buying one of those stupidly expensive vaja cases
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03:16:26Mouser_XWhat does Senab's build add to WPS, that the official build doesn't have (other than album art)?
03:16:42Mikachui think scroll margins
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03:16:54Mouser_X(There was talk of Senab's build when I timed out, which is why I ask when I got back on.)
03:17:03Mouser_XWhat's scroll margins?
03:17:06robin0800look at the patches on his site
03:17:09Mikachuyou can look in the irc logs on
03:17:37MikachuMouser_X: it means text scrolls in a narrower region than normal, so you can have a picture beside it
03:18:31Mouser_XI was just curious. I wondered if it added anything big/special.
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03:19:31robin0800USB Connection Button Press (All Builds)
03:19:31robin0800Scrolling Margins (All Builds)
03:19:31robin0800Full Screen Startup Logo (All Builds)
03:19:31DBUGEnqueued KICK robin0800
03:19:31robin0800LCD Brightness Patch (All Builds)
03:19:31robin0800'The' Sort (All Builds)
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03:19:32robin0800'Piezo Driver (All Builds)
03:19:34robin0800COP Driver (COP Builds only)
03:19:37robin0800Quick exit for Menu Screen (All Builds)
03:20:08Phish|LCD brightness and COP Driver are the most important two
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03:20:21Phish|LCD brightness should save some battery
03:20:36Mouser_XI'm getting a Gigabeat, so I can't use them anyway. I was simply curious.
03:20:46robin0800Piezo driver is also nice
03:20:54Mouser_X(At least, I'm assuming he doesn't make TGB drivers.)
03:21:54Mikachuthe piezo is fun to play with
03:22:28robin0800video & nano only
03:22:46Phish|what can you do with the piezo other than make it click?
03:23:02Phish|how useful
03:23:12Mikachuit's especially fun when you make it beep as a function of your finger's position on the scroll wheel
03:23:22Mikachuinstant crap viola
03:23:41Phish|haha well the viola as an instrument is crap anyway
03:23:55Phish|so i think all you really need to say is instant viola
03:23:59Mikachuif you made it constrained to real notes, it would be more of a crap piano
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03:25:54StarScreamhi guys, was just following the instructions on this page
03:26:08StarScreamand i was wondering if you can patch the firmware without a windows machines
03:26:12SoapI think the piezo provides a very nice feedback.
03:26:14StarScreamas i do not have one
03:26:28Mikachuexcept you can't hear it when you're listening to music ):
03:26:33Mikachu:) rather
03:26:36Soapyou have your music too loud.
03:26:37robin0800so do I
03:26:52Mikachuclicking in the phones would be more useful
03:27:01Mikachualso some people have those in-ear things that filter out everything
03:27:36SoapI do, and even with 12db of isolation I can hear the piezo when my ipod is on my desk.
03:27:45robin0800That wouldn't be the piezo the would it
03:27:46Mikachusure, indoors
03:28:07zeonly 12db?
03:28:10zethats not that good
03:28:16zemy senn's give like 32db or somesuch :p
03:28:23Soapno they don't
03:28:27Soapwhatever they claim
03:28:40Soapsolid earplugs don't give but thatmuch
03:28:50zeoh they've over-ear, not earplugs
03:28:57Phish|well it's definitely a bug in senab's build
03:29:03Phish|as a fresh install still does the same
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03:29:48zethough i have to admit, their isolation's fallen off as a function of the springyness wearing out and them no longer acting as a clamp on my head heh
03:29:52SoapI still don't buy the number - that's better than my shooting earpads.
03:30:18Soapand they are quite a big heavier and thicker than hd280s.
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03:30:47zewell ya know such a number is glib anyway
03:30:52zeno matter what its on
03:31:10zei doubt there's any that have the specified attenuation accross the whole audible frequency spectrum
03:31:15Soapwell, for hearing protectors it is tested by the govt.
03:31:31Soapno - for hearing protectors it is the minimal attenuation.
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03:32:59zethey must use interesting materials to block out frequencies that need several-foot-thick stuff to block out in traditional soundproofing
03:33:25Mikachuespecially those you hear through your skull
03:34:03Mikachudo any of them implement active sound cancelling?
03:34:30Stoned4Lifeq: what files are safe to delete after installing rockbox to the iPod?
03:34:39SoapI'm sure there is a lower limit to their claimed coverage - but look at a box of plugs some day - most all list their attenuation at 5 or 6 frequencies across the spectrum, and the number claimed on the box is the lowest of those.
03:34:49Stoned4Lifefor example, ._IPod_Control, etc. ?
03:35:01Mikachuipod_control contains all the music you copied over with itunes
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03:35:02SoapMikachu: I'm too poor for the active ones.
03:35:04zeSoap: ah
03:35:10Mikachui was just wondering if they existed
03:35:31NuclearDogStoned4Life: If you don't have any music put on there with iTunes, you can delete everything except .rockbox and rockbox.ipod.
03:35:31Stoned4Lifeso all I need on my ipod after installing rockbox is the .rockbox folder and .rockbox_ipod?
03:35:31zeSoap: yeah i'm sure senn's claim isn't up to the standards of hearing-protection products
03:35:38Stoned4Lifeerr, rockbox.ipod*
03:35:46Stoned4Lifeokay, thanks
03:35:58Mikachuyou can put rockbox.ipod in .rockbox if you want to further tidy it up
03:36:01Mikachu(but not in any other folder)
03:36:25zeSoap: hell, they're not even compliant with hearing-protection laws and make a point in the manual that its up to you to keep the db from them at safe levels for your ears :p
03:36:37Stoned4Lifethat helps, thank you guys. really looking forward to playing all my flac music on this
03:36:58Soapdid you say flac?
03:37:01Soapoh no.
03:37:12Stoned4Lifeoh.. no?
03:37:15SoapRockbox only supports FLAK.
03:37:26zeis that one of them new kodecs?
03:37:36Mikachuam i the only one who didn't get that joke?
03:37:50Phish|yeah, similar to wavepak
03:37:54Phish|they're really bleeding edge
03:37:56Mouser_XI saw it as a very poor joke. Not much to get.
03:37:59Stoned4Lifeanyhting's better than aak
03:38:12Soapyes, a poor joke, thank you kind Mouser_X
03:38:17Phish|that one actually made me lol
03:39:03Mikachui have another bad joke then
03:39:08Mikachurockbox doesn't work, it wroks!
03:39:30Phish|dont quit your day job
03:39:45Mikachui'm a student :)
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03:44:25webguest80hello everyone
03:44:49Mouser_XEveryone isn't here right now.
03:44:55Mouser_XI can take a message if you'd like.
03:45:00Mouser_X( :P )
03:45:17webguest80Good attempt at a joke :-)
03:45:26SoapPhish|: tell senab which build (date, target, size) you are using.
03:45:43SoapEverybody|away −−->
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03:46:08webguest80I was just wondering how the development on rockboy is going on for the H10
03:46:18jbadebauched_slot1: just tried rockbox svn build with the fwimg01.dat you put on the wiki
03:46:20Phish|Soap: target?
03:46:25jbaand my machine won't boot rockbox proeprly
03:46:59jbaIt Says Loding Rockbox... and instead of going to screenshot and file browser it prints Rockbox Loaded on a new line
03:47:02Soap4G / 5G - he makes more than one build - and you haven't told him A-what build you are using or B - what device you are using.
03:47:13jbaand does nothing else. It still responds to power button though ?
03:47:33Phish|Soap: it's posted in a thread with the title 5/5.5g 2007/01/13 build
03:48:00jbadebauched_slot1: recall that I use a gigabeat X30, not an f series
03:48:12Soaphe makes 6 different builds.
03:48:14jbagotthardt: hey dude, you using the latest firmware with your giga?
03:48:23Phish|Soap: it's posted in a thread with the title 5/5.5g 2007/01/13 build
03:48:24Soapand you have an error to report with one of them.
03:48:28Phish|it's a build-specific thread
03:49:12Soapopic: iPod 5/5.5G Video & *Nano*
03:49:51Phish|the 30gb is considered 5.5g as well now, correct?
03:49:56webguest80Does anyone know how the development on rockboy is going on for the H10?
03:50:10SoapPhish|: COP build or not?
03:50:24Soaptell senab.
03:50:52Phish|edited again
03:50:53Soaptry the non-COP build and see if the same thing happens.
03:51:01jbaoh well
03:51:12CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:51:12*jba hopes when i get home to build from source things will be better
03:51:25Soaptry his previous build (he has (had?) an archive) and tell him if the error happens there also.
03:52:35robin0800have you seen the warning about the bootloader for the COP builds
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03:52:49Phish|used the most recent bootloader
03:54:35robin0800is cop running on yours
03:54:51Phish|it doesnt appear to have anything to do with cop
03:54:55Phish|it occurs in the non-cop version as well
03:55:02Phish|i'm testing a few prior builds now
03:55:48robin0800I think its probably one of the patches
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04:02:04Phish|yeah, it's one of the versions after his build on jan 6th
04:02:36Phish|trying the last one now
04:02:57debauched_slot1jba: you still there?
04:03:28midgeybarrywardell: ping
04:03:31debauched_slot1I'd like to kick you a build that I've done - there have been weird reports of problems with the SVN builds all day, including some with iPods
04:03:40scorcheSoap: you rang?
04:04:22Soapprobably twice since you've been gone.
04:04:43scorchei see twice in one line
04:05:10Soapwell, I'm known for that.
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04:05:57SoapPhish|: how can I try to reproduce the crash?
04:06:13Soapdo anything and go to the sound settings menu?
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04:06:52voltagexhow do I need to encode my files for the latest mpegplayer?
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04:07:14Phish|Soap: just go to the sound settings menu and hit the menu button
04:07:22Soapvoltagex: mpeg2 at native or lower resolution, 44.1 audio mpeg3
04:07:28Phish|it'll give you an error message and disable the backlight
04:07:48voltagexnative for the player?
04:07:48SoapPhish|: that's what I thought - I do a lot of patches in common with Senab, and I can't crash that way.
04:07:49skateboard0924Hello people
04:07:49voltagexwoo upscalng too
04:07:57Phish|070106 doesn't crash
04:08:09Phish|and it has no relation to COP, as both editions do it
04:08:09voltagexgah, can't remember what the res is for my h340
04:08:12SoapPhish|: set the backlight to 15 and see if it still crashes. IF you feel like frickin with it anymore.
04:08:30*voltagex goes digging through the wiki
04:08:57Phish|yeah, still crashes
04:09:15Soapjust curious, as that backlight dimming patch has a lot of conflicts.
04:09:25voltagexseems like I want 176x96
04:09:33voltagexbecause it can do 26fps
04:09:33Soapfor example, doom won't work right if the brightness isn't set for 15.
04:10:19Phish|well i'm just going to patch back to the latest cop build for now and forget about it
04:10:26Phish|everything else appears to work
04:10:43voltagexis there an easy way to get a build environment for os x?
04:10:43Phish|by that i mean i havent done anything else yet that makes it crash
04:10:48voltagexI have the developer tools
04:12:13Soapvoltagex: vmware image is probably the easiest way
04:12:30voltagexwouldn't that slow the build down horribly?
04:13:32Soapyou're not building openoffice.
04:13:33voltagexcrap, I'm speed limited at te moment so that file is far too big
04:18:50skateboard0924I have an iriver H10 20 GB, and whenever I play doom, when I press a switch or anything like that, it either freezes or goes back to the plugin menu
04:19:01skateboard0924Does anyone know how to solve this problem?
04:19:22Phish|get an ipod :-x
04:19:34Phish|honestly though, no i dont :(
04:19:45skateboard0924No way... I hate ipoo's (no offence) :-)
04:20:00Mouser_XGet a Gigabeat.
04:20:13Mouser_XActually, no.
04:20:15skateboard0924It's ok... thanks anyway, maybe someone out of these 100 people online might be able to help :P
04:20:22Mouser_XDoom doesn't run on the Gigabeat yet.
04:20:28robin0800I love em with Rockbox
04:20:39Phish|and i hate iOverPricedRiverThatCopiedTheiPodNamingScheme
04:20:51Phish|but that's not what's important
04:21:02skateboard0924they never copied it... didn't iriver come out before ipods?
04:21:11skateboard0924Excuse me if i'm wrong
04:21:28Phish|who knows
04:21:37Phish|but they're still expensive
04:21:40robin0800who cares
04:21:41Phish|though quite nice
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04:22:27robin0800not with itunes and apple software
04:23:06Phish|i think it's a given that itunes is garbage
04:23:10Phish|that's why we use rockbox :)
04:23:18skateboard0924Amen Phish :-)
04:24:02Phish|does iRiver no longer make jukeboxes?
04:24:36skateboard0924Umm... I don't believe so. They're mostly coming out with those clix style/ big video players
04:24:39voltagexrockbox discontinued the H3xx, idiots
04:24:50voltagexI was hoping for a H380
04:24:59Phish|that doesnt make them idiots
04:25:14jbadebauched_slot1: am now
04:25:16jbawas in a meeting
04:25:28Phish|release too many builds for too many different players and suddenly you've got to support more than you can handle
04:25:33jbakick away
04:25:39skateboard0924H10 is a jukebox player
04:25:41jbai'm on web client, so not sure if you can pm me
04:25:51Phish|skateboard0924: that's unfortunate that they gave up on jukebox-style players
04:26:00Phish|that form-factor is the most popular
04:26:02skateboard0924Yes, you can still pm people
04:26:12voltagexwhoa, mpeg-mpeg encoding is fast on the core duo
04:26:17Phish|and the clix just doesnt have enough storage
04:26:21jbanot if you not registered on freenode though
04:26:31skateboard0924voltage: What player are you using?
04:27:18voltagexhope I get decent FPS
04:27:26voltagexit's got a nice screen
04:27:29voltagexnot too bad for videos
04:27:34skateboard0924I can't wait for rockboy support on the H10 along with full video w/ audio support
04:27:53voltagexcan't wait for rockboy to get decent FPS :P
04:28:01Phish|how much does that thing cost, voltagex?
04:28:12skateboard0924haha, true, but at least you have it available
04:28:16voltagexcan't wait for rockbox to be supported on a super-player so I can have an N64 emulator
04:28:23voltagexPhish|: $400 from ebay
04:28:29skateboard0924The price would have gone down by a lot now
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04:28:43skateboard0924Dude, you got ripped off ha
04:28:53voltagex$400 a year ago
04:29:01skateboard0924oh... well still
04:29:15Phish|a year ago you could buy a 60gb ipod video for less than that
04:29:17skateboard0924I got my H10 20 GB about a year and a half ago and it was 300
04:29:25voltagexnow I want a gigabeat
04:29:34voltagexPhish|: stfu ;)
04:29:49skateboard0924the only thing out that even compared to the H10 was the ipod photo, which wasn't that great at the time
04:30:03skateboard0924So thats why I bought the H10 :-)
04:30:08Phish|well at least you dont own a zune :)
04:30:18voltagexlol, zuned
04:30:31voltagexany plans for rockbox on zune?
04:30:33voltagexzockbox :P
04:30:38skateboard0924nope... I read an article on it
04:30:50skateboard0924eww... that name sounds ugly
04:30:51Phish|the zune was....ok at best
04:30:59Phish|until the iPhone was previewed
04:31:08skateboard0924Yea, there was just a huge hype about it
04:31:17skateboard0924iPhone is too much money
04:31:34Phish|not to mention it wont be iPhone when it gets released
04:31:37Phish|Cisco owns the name
04:31:42skateboard0924Plus, most people are saying, "Why get an iPhone when I already have an mp3 player and a cell phone?"
04:31:51Phish|and they sued apple 3 days after the product first premiered
04:31:54skateboard0924Yea, I heard they are getting sued or something like that?
04:32:00skateboard0924ha, you beat me to it
04:33:33skateboard0924How's the gigabeat?
04:33:51Phish|seems to me to be the exact same thing as the zune
04:34:02Phish|except not ugly
04:34:04voltagexwhoa, new USB graphic
04:34:21InsectoidHow small is Flac compared to ogg?
04:34:31voltagexall we need now is some non sucky themes as default
04:34:59SoapInsectoid: FLAC will be larger than vorbis, as vorbis is lossy and FLAC is lossless.
04:35:05skateboard0924I want more themes for my H10!
04:35:12Phish|Insectoid: FLAC gives you better audio quality, but at a much larger file size
04:35:15Mikachuflac is usually half size of uncompressed wav
04:35:37jbadebauched_slot1: you there?
04:35:45Mikachuogg is a tenth or so at reasonable bitrates
04:35:47InsectoidI think I'll go for ogg then, as I had to go from avi to wav first.
04:36:01voltagexgetting "Incompatible version" with my mpeg file
04:36:02Soapwhy not MP3?
04:36:05voltagexwhat does that mean?
04:36:14Insectoidogg's smaller.
04:36:21Mikachunever encode to mp3 if you don't have to
04:36:47Mikachuvoltagex: that is probably a message about the plugin rather than the file..
04:36:48Soapyea, never encode with the most mature encoder and most supported format.
04:36:55voltagexInsectoid: pass the crackpipe, ogg and mp3 are very comparable at the same bitrate
04:36:58InsectoidWhy don't the voiced menus use oggenc?
04:37:19Mikachuof course you can compare them, and you'll find ogg is better
04:37:21Mikachugood night
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04:37:56robin0800good night
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04:38:40Soapall the HA listening tests have showed very small to no quality difference between vorbis and MP3.
04:38:55Soapyou trade one set of problem samples for another.
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04:43:12Soapnice process of elimination on the crash, Phish|.
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04:48:48voltagex:( only 16.4 fps
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04:55:31Nikwhere is the part about dual booting in the manual?
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04:58:27Nikor how do i do it?
05:01:44Nikanyone know?
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05:05:33Mouser_XHave you tried the hold button?
05:05:48Mouser_X(Turn on HOLD while booting)
05:05:50Nikwill that do it?
05:05:54Mouser_XIt might.
05:06:00Mouser_XIt does for some models.
05:06:08Mouser_XOthers do it another way.
05:06:17Nikoh i have a ipod video
05:06:23Mouser_XThat helps.
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05:06:35Mouser_XIt's possibly why no one answered you.
05:06:44Mouser_XYes, try turning on HOLD while booting.
05:06:54Nikit just cleared everything off
05:07:00perldiver[23:06] <Nik> oh i have a ipod video
05:07:05perldiver[23:06] <Mouser_X> It's possibly why no one answered you.
05:07:21Mouser_XHeh, I didn't mean it that way.
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05:07:28Nikthanks man
05:07:33Mouser_XAlso, sorry about the settings.
05:07:51Nikdont worry about it
05:07:54Nikanyone else know how to do it?
05:08:17Mouser_XMenu+play? Menu+select?
05:08:19perldiverits in ipodvideoFAQ btw
05:08:24Mouser_XI know it's in there somewhere..
05:08:33Mouser_XAh, now there's an idea!
05:08:45*Mouser_X doesn't own an iPod...
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05:08:54Mouser_XProbably not the best person to ask...
05:09:01perldiverShut the device down by holding PLAY/PAUSE. Then, press MENU or SELECT to boot the iPod. Immediately after doing this, turn on the HOLD switch.
05:09:11Nikah ok
05:09:13Nikthanks perl
05:09:17Mouser_XI was close...
05:09:27Nikhaha yea except for the part where i deleted everything off of it
05:09:27perldiverhelpful page:
05:09:37Nikthanks perl, i was looking for that
05:09:50perldiversomehow people miss it all the time
05:09:50Mouser_XYou didn't delete everything off of it. It only reset your stuff.
05:09:55Nikoh ok
05:09:57Mouser_XSettings=gone. Data=not
05:10:06Nikexcellent, my pokemon is still here ;D
05:10:16Mouser_X(I don't see how it could have removed all that data so quickly.)
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05:10:54Michaelleecould i have some help installing rockbox on an ipod mini 2g?
05:11:14Mouser_XProbably not.
05:11:35Michaelleewell i installed it but now when it boots, i just get the apple logo
05:11:46Michaelleeand a folder that displays a url
05:12:06*Mouser_X knows there's 2 iPods that aren't supported. He's check to see which those are.
05:12:14Mouser_XThe 80 GB is one of them.
05:12:21Michaelleei tried the select+menu then select+play and got to disk mode
05:12:24Michaelleeit isnt 80g
05:12:29Mouser_XI think it's the 2g Nano that's not supported.
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05:12:59Mouser_XYes, I can see now that the iPod Mini 2g is supported.
05:13:06Michaelleenow that im at the disk mode screen, it just says ok to disconnect
05:13:09Michaelleeno problem
05:13:17Mouser_XHowever, I haven't any idea how to go about installing it, or fixing broken installations.
05:13:30Michaelleeah ok
05:13:37Michaelleeumm who could i contact for that?
05:13:52Mouser_XSomeone else?
05:13:52ckahz Kim Hyun Chal nim
05:14:12Mouser_XIt looks like you'll have to wait for someone else to respond.
05:14:17Michaelleeah ok
05:16:03scorcheMichaellee: run disk scan
05:16:12scorcheor dosfsck if you are on linux
05:16:59Michaelleeim on windows
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05:19:36nixphoenihow does rockbox set up interrupt handlers?
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05:19:59nixphoenii can't seem to figure it out
05:20:26lotto996my nano w/ rockbox just froze up :( and I cant get it to reset, any suggestions?
05:20:52InsectoidAnd the reset combination doesn't work?
05:20:56lotto996Ive tried plugging it into my pc, and nothing happens :(
05:21:04lotto996I dont know the reset combination
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05:21:21InsectoidHappy Monday
05:21:22lotto996i looked through my rockboxipodnano.pdf manual and I couldnt find anything
05:21:41Insectoidum um
05:21:45InsectoidWell what's wrong with it?
05:22:16lotto996I ran "star" in the plugin menu on accident, meant to run Starfield, and it froze at that screen and isnt responding
05:23:23Insectoidtoggle hold on, then off, then hold down menu and hit select.
05:23:36Insectoidhold down menu and select that is
05:24:17lotto996akaias: weeeee
05:24:24lotto996oops, just weeeeeee
05:24:27lotto996thx alot
05:25:23lotto996I was worried I would get the frozen app burned into my screen, because I just charged the battery and it would take awhile for it to run out
05:25:44lotto996buuut that worked Insectoid , soooo thanks! + 5 Stars for you!
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05:27:25Michaelleeit said
05:27:31Michaellee'windows was unable to complete disc check'
05:29:41Michaelleeafter i ran disc scan
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05:42:53MichaelleeI posted my problem on the forums, thanks for the help guys.
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05:57:12sidI have 5.5 generation iPod video, 30 gig... which url do I want for setting up rockbox?
05:58:21Mouser_XI'm going to guess the one that refers to the iPod video, maybe?
05:58:27sidMouser_X: where?
05:58:39Mouser_XIn the manuals.
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06:26:23sid"If you wish to use speech support you will also need a language file, available from For the English language, the file is called english.voice. When it has been downloaded, unpack this file and copy it into the lang folder which is inside the /.rockbox folder on your player. Voice menus are turned on by default. See section 7.7 for details on voice settings."
06:27:10sidMouser_X: There is no /.rockbox/lang directory, there is /.rockbox/langs; do I put the english.voice file there?
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06:30:47rUISuhi, I would like to upload a WPS for the Gigabeat port, can someone give me "permission to edit"?
06:35:27midgeybarrywardell: when you get this, please try out task #6539 on your sansa
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06:41:57HigherBeinghey guys, have u tested rockbox with one of iHome radios?
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06:49:48combrainscan anyone tell me why Suse 10.2 sees my GB as a camera instead of a usb mass storage device?
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06:52:01sidWhere am I supposed to put music on my iPod?
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06:52:51combrainsthats the beauty of RB
06:52:51voltagexsid: if it's anything like rockbox on the H3xx then anywhere.
06:54:01sidI think rhythmbox tries to look for the iTunes database file crap, and if it doesn't find it...I can't transfer music to my rockbox
06:54:18voltagexI doubt it
06:54:49sidI'm pretty sure.(this is what the rhythmbox developers from #rhythmbox on told me)
06:54:49voltagexcan't you just use nautilis or another file manager?
06:55:14sidvoltagex: I guess, I can just do cp -r; but I'm trying to set this up for my gf so it's nice and user friendly
06:55:26sidI wonder her to be able to go into rhythmbox and transfer music easily
06:55:31voltagexsid: use a gui filemanager
06:55:34voltagexthat's easy.
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06:55:46HigherBeingdoes rockbox have an alarm funtion?
06:56:12sidvoltagex: I guess. But she can't sift through music as easily in nautilus as she can in rhythmbox
06:56:20sidrhythmbox shows all the id3 tag information etc
06:56:25voltagextry amarok or something
06:57:28scorcheHigherBeing: on the device that can support it, yes
06:58:49HigherBeingwell i got an 5g ipod
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06:59:11HigherBeingI got a ihome ipod alarm radio... and I'm trying to make sure it alarms me with the ipod
06:59:21HigherBeingbut i'm not sure how to set it up
06:59:58HigherBeingwhen i set the alarm on the ihome radio, it tries to make the ipod start playing, but i guess it doesnt recognize the command, and instead starts the buzzer that i cant hear for shit in the morning
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07:15:10scorcheRockbox will not work with the ihome units
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07:54:00perldiverfinally news on the main page
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08:03:03Jsunuoh hey perldiver, images greater than 16 bit are not support by gigabeat right?
08:03:29perldiveryou mean album art?
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08:04:20Jsununo, the images that make up the wps, like the background, progress bar etc
08:05:30perldiverah, yes, 16 bit
08:05:41perldivernot more than that
08:06:08perldiverwhy :( ?
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08:06:59Jsunutrying to make another wps and it looks horrible with 16 bit
08:07:17InsectoidCall me stupid, but what do I do with a .diff? I'm fine with .patches, but do I have to pass something funny to patch for diffs?
08:07:28professionalIts sad to so rockbox falling into the same trap as most open source developing, which is that current software isn't fully developed and De-bugged before moving onto another project, I refer specifiaclly to the start of the AV3xx target when the ipod and other platforms are still buggy, including older targets, this to me typifies open source and its sad to see rockbox isn't excempt from that disease, The
08:07:29Jsunuoh well thanks for the help
08:07:58Mouser_XJsunu: When I downgraded to 8-bit, it looked fine. Try changing the settings. It might decrease the colors better.
08:08:20Jsunuyeah, probably less gradients
08:08:45professionalLinusN: ^^^
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08:09:06scorcheand he leaves before i respond...pfft!
08:09:40Mouser_Xprofessional: What you are completly ignoring, is the fact that the people developing for separate platforms, are doing just that. They're *not* developing for other platforms, nor did they start on other platforms, and it's not likely that they'll move to other platforms.
08:09:41Jsunuthats weird, i saved an image as a 32 bit bmp and it works on the gigabeat :/
08:09:57Mouser_XLike, in the hardware?
08:10:08perldiverJsunu ha i just read 24 bit is supported
08:10:12perldiverwasnt aware of that
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08:10:22Jsunu32 bit apparently works too
08:10:28Mouser_XIt said it wasn't supported, where I was reading the stuff...
08:10:29Jsunumaybe it will cause problems down the road
08:10:38Mouser_XSize issues, for one.
08:10:50Jsunuyeah, probably wont load images properly
08:11:08Mouser_XYou can only load 16,000 KB of BMPs, total, as I recall.
08:11:34Mouser_XSo, you could have 16,000 1 KB images, and it'd be fine (theoretically).
08:11:54Mouser_XOr, 4 4,000 KB images...
08:12:05Mouser_XObviously, you get the idea.
08:12:13daurnimatornot quite?
08:12:14Jsunuim going to try to make a wps chock full of 32bit images
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08:12:18Mouser_XJust saying, watch your size.
08:12:18JdGordoni tink your numberd are wrong... there isnt 16mb of bmp buffer
08:12:32daurnimatorcould you load 3 5333KB images?
08:12:33perldiverwell i saw 24 bit support was a patch once
08:12:34Mouser_XYah, that's not what I meant.
08:12:39Mouser_XI meant 400
08:12:47JdGordonand the wps loads a max of 26 images anyway
08:12:50perldivercant really find anything on if it was committed or not
08:12:55daurnimatorJdGordon: i'm bored. - any ideas what to do
08:13:01daurnimatornightlife sucks on a monday
08:13:10JdGordonaaww.... na, im bored too
08:13:38Insectoidflite. flite. do flite
08:13:41Mouser_XJdGordon: For your WPS thing, make it so that I can define the location of everything, in pixel coordinates.
08:13:41Insectoidra ra ra
08:14:12Mouser_XI find it very annoying that I have to rely on spacing to place text fields.
08:14:44Mouser_XAnd then, on top of that, I can't even specify what size they are.
08:14:55Mouser_XSo, add that in as well.
08:15:07daurnimatorJdGordon: i'd goto a movie, but theres nothing on
08:15:24perldiverwhy, its so fun to space the things out Mouser_X :P
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08:15:40Mouser_XThat is a lie.
08:16:29Mouser_XEspecially when it won't sit where I expect it to be (it doesn't fit in the text field I have built [out of graphics] for it).
08:16:51Mouser_X(It's too high, and I can't move it down, or it's too low.)
08:17:14Mouser_XI think someone might need to recode the WPS stuff...
08:17:24*Mouser_X knows no coding at all...
08:17:42scorchethen learn
08:17:51Mouser_XYes, that'd be the wise thing to do.
08:18:03Mouser_XI never professed to be wise though...
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08:57:36safetydanIs it just my mailserver acting up or is anyone else getting duplicate flyspray emails?
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09:15:45combrainshello gotthardt
09:16:03combrainswhats news?
09:16:22gotthardtim trying to get the left and right channels to behave
09:16:44combrainsin what sense?
09:16:59gotthardtthe left and right channels switch sometimes
09:17:30combrainsoh - I thought that that was fixed
09:18:00gotthardtnope -
09:18:12gotthardtat least mine still does it!
09:18:38combrainsI cant say that Iv'e noticed it - when does it happen?
09:20:06gotthardtrandom - pause-play or sometimes on start
09:20:25gotthardtSome songs are noticable - but most you dont notice
09:20:54gotthardtI have a test track which makes it obvious
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09:22:21combrainshave you got the track up somehwere? I would like to try
09:23:01combrainsI have quite a few tracks that use hard left/right panning and I cant say that I have noticed
09:23:08gotthardti got it off of:
09:23:13GodEaterWebanyone around that can make my new thread on the iPod install forum sticky ?
09:23:49BHSPitLappyanyone here good with WPS's?
09:24:01BHSPitLappyanyone awake, I should say...
09:24:43combrainsBHSPitLappy, have you looked on the wiki for your player?
09:25:34BHSPitLappywell, I'm particularly wondering just what visual functions are the rewind and fast forward icons for
09:26:07combrainsI don't follow?
09:27:18BHSPitLappyWPS's tend to have icons in them for "<<" and ">>
09:27:31BHSPitLappyI don't really get what they're used for
09:27:51BHSPitLappyI get that the Play icon is displayed when the song is playing, Pause is displayed when the song is paused...
09:28:13combrainslikewise for ff and rw
09:28:20BHSPitLappyare these other ones just displayed when you're fast-seeking through a song?
09:28:58BHSPitLappythen it's odd, how they're usually placed to the sides of the Play/Pause/Stop icon
09:29:20combrainsit depends on how the WPS has been coded
09:29:35BHSPitLappyI just mean, design-wise.
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09:30:33BHSPitLappyso there's no real reason to have them located separately from the Play/Pause button, other than to mimic media players on a computer
09:31:31combrainsgotthardt, I see what you mean
09:32:12gotthardtits gotta be fixed
09:33:01combrainsits not random though - it happens on every pause/resume
09:33:20gotthardthmm mine does and then doesnt....
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09:33:36gotthardtor some times does.. random on mine
09:33:45combrainsI think it may be left over from the reversal bug that we had on stop
09:34:13gotthardt? What was the solution to that?
09:34:41combrainsI dunno - you fixed it I think...
09:34:46*combrains can't code
09:34:55gotthardtheh - maybe i didnt...!
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09:35:59combrainsmaybe its a logic error - somthing not being reset?
09:36:12GodEaterWebhehe - I think Llorean was starting to lose his patience in the forums last night too
09:36:18GodEaterWebI'm glad it's not just me
09:36:25gotthardtmaybe - i havent found it yet
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09:38:22webguest77hey guys
09:40:02webguest77I installed rockbox succesfully on my iPod, I already installed a custom build (one supporting the 2nd CPU), some themes and games.
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09:40:14webguest77but I need some help regarding the bootloader
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09:43:16combrainsyour right gotthardt, it is random. I can't seen to replicate it accurately in any shape
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09:44:32gotthardtthx for confirming
09:44:41combrainsyour welcome:P
09:45:20combrainssorry I can't be of more help
09:45:44gotthardtyou have been helpful
09:48:25combrainsI don't know if this is coincidence but I have come across a patter a couple of times now
09:48:45combrainsif the player is stopped and you then start the test file...
09:49:25combrainsyou press pause, then play, pause, play, pause, play and bang - you have a reversal
09:49:48combrainsthen it seems to revers every time you pause/unpause after that
09:50:23combrainsI will try and verify now - knowing my luck it probably won't work :P
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09:51:12combrainsgrrrr, I hit A to stop then played the file, pause, then play and WHAM!
09:53:30combrainsdoes this help: if you hit pause halfway through a word then hit play, if it reverses you can hear the end of the last word on the oppisite side
09:53:51combrainswhich sugests that it reverses on play and not on pause
09:54:02gotthardtah good
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09:55:54combrainsyes, if it it reverses i can hear the 'eft' of left on the right when I hit play
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10:10:10combrainsBTW: did you see my question about suse?
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10:11:31combrainsit sees my gb as a camers
10:11:52gotthardtit must have the VID:PID logged incorrectly
10:12:08combrainscan I cahnge that?
10:12:09gotthardtor shares it with a camera
10:12:40gotthardtyou have to change that and recompile in the core USB - i think
10:12:54combrainsI have suse in a VM and the only USB device I have connected is my GB
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10:13:05gotthardttype dmesg
10:13:17gotthardtwhat usb vid:pid do you get?
10:13:29Mikachupreglow: have you tried freemat? just saw it on freshmeat, might be useful or something
10:13:34combrainsone sec - lemme start the VM
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10:24:39combrainsusb1-1 new device found: idVendor=0930 idProduct=0009
10:25:19gotthardtso someone said that a camera was vendor 930 and pid 9
10:25:27gotthardtmight be a mistake
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10:26:27gotthardtyou need to find the source for the usb modules and then: grep -R 930 *
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10:27:38combrainsis this as in kernel source?
10:27:57enkoHello people
10:27:59*combrains is somewhat of a linux noob
10:28:19gotthardtcombrains: yes
10:28:34gotthardt0930 is toshiba
10:29:33enkoCan someone talk to me in private. It's about whether rockbox works on the iitronics imp-11 mp3 player
10:31:01scorcheit doesnt
10:31:46enkook. Thanks for the help
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10:49:16linuxstb_GodEaterWeb: I've stickied your thread, but IMO it would be better as a link to a wiki page - so others can edit it.
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10:51:54jbahey gang
10:51:58dune2gotthardt: the VID:PID is the gigabeat original one ??
10:52:41dune2gotthardt: because, on the, I don't see 0009 product .....
10:52:41jbahey guys
10:52:53*jba builds from svn to see if that will boot
10:53:01gotthardthi jba
10:53:01GodEaterWeblinuxstb_: I can't edit the wiki atm - my password went awol, and neither Bagder nor LinusN have had a chance to reset it for me
10:53:10gotthardtbedtime for me here...
10:53:13jbahey gotthardt, how goes?
10:53:22GodEaterWebbesides, there's nothing stopping people adding their own comments
10:53:44gotthardtok - im trying to fix the left-right channel swap - i think its in the i2s now
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10:55:27gotthardtdune2 i think is orig since we dont replace it just sence it and 'move aside' while the usb bridges to disk
10:57:19jbagotthardt, left/right switch, didn't know there was one
10:57:42gotthardtits random - and for most songs you dont notice
10:58:07dune2gotthardt: ha ok, I've looked at the list but I did not found another more generic (and well-known) productID of toshiba which is Usb-Mass-Storage .... (for easyer OS detection as UMS)
10:58:57gotthardtjba play this and press pause-play
10:59:18jbagotthardt, do you really need the test case?
10:59:26gotthardti do
10:59:37jbaokay will do
10:59:45jbaone sec just did make very clean on bootloader and rb
10:59:48jbaleme get that working firs
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11:05:13jbahey guys, FYI, rockbox built from svn on my dev platform worked fine
11:05:28jbai also updated the bootloader which is larger than the one attached to the gigabeat wiki page
11:06:13linuxstb_Which version of binutils do you have? (e.g. type arm-elf ld -v)
11:06:20linuxstb_arm-elf-ld -v
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11:07:11jbaGNU ld version 2.16.1
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11:07:23jbagotthardt, i get left out of the left speajer, and right out of right speaker
11:07:45jbaif i pause in the middle, then the left stream comes out the right speajer
11:07:58debauched_slot1jba: the build on the web page did not work and the one you did locally does?
11:08:08jbadebauched_slot1, yep
11:08:21debauched_slot1yes, there have been a few reports of that, also for ipods
11:08:26markundebauched_slot1: could you test and maybe commit ?
11:08:32markunbon jour btw :)
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11:08:52gotthardthey markun
11:09:00jbahey hey markun man
11:09:17jbadebauched_slot1, how effective is the change in battery curves ?
11:09:20jbathat's why i updated
11:09:26debauched_slot1markun: where do I get the wads?
11:09:53debauched_slot1jba: I took it from one of the more recent runs. Needs more testing.
11:10:04jbahey gotthardt if i pause and resume, the left/right is transposed, but if i do it a second time, the speakers don't transpose back
11:10:05Jakeworldis anyone else having problems with the newer ipod builds?
11:10:17debauched_slot1but it should be more closer to in range; if anything I think it errs on the cautious side now
11:10:18Jakeworldi can't get anything to load above january 12
11:10:29gotthardtjba i have found it to be random
11:10:47jbaalso i have pause to fade
11:10:51jbathat might be it?
11:10:57markunlinuxstb_: I don't agree with "professional" that adding more ports is bad for rockbox
11:11:06gotthardtmaybe you can find a pattern
11:11:18jbathat sample is too short
11:11:40jbashit you're right
11:11:47jbathe switch worked on the second pause this time
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11:13:05amiconnmarkun: Adding more ports is good in general - as long as these ports are really worked on
11:13:12linuxstb_markun: I don't know what you're talking about...
11:13:20amiconnThe Elio port seems almost abandoned, for instance...
11:13:58linuxstb_I admit that... Although is it better to remove it or leave it? There seems a tiny bit of interest in the Elio port on the Forums.
11:15:16markunlinuxstb_: I was talking about something I read in the logs by someone with the nick "professional"
11:15:27linuxstb_This morning?
11:15:28amiconnWell, my opinion is that the purpose of adding ports is to bring them up to a usable state
11:15:39gotthardtjba - taking off fade seems to make things better for my testing - thats a good lead
11:15:39amiconnOtherwise they should be removed again to reduce clutter
11:16:00jbagotthardt, np, let me verify
11:17:03jbagotthardt, nope, i still managed to confuse it
11:17:25jbaoff the start pause half way through the first "left" and the "right" comes through the left speajer
11:17:37gotthardti have a little different pause i wrote - this seems to work
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11:17:56gotthardtit might start wrong but it is fixed for the pause-play
11:18:23Jakeworldoh well... i guess january 12 is apparently the only working build for now
11:18:44markunJakeworld: did you update the bootloader?
11:18:55Jakeworldhas it been updated recently?
11:18:59gotthardtvoid pcm_play_pause_pause(void)
11:19:02gotthardt INTMSK |= (1<<19);
11:19:03Jakeworldi've used the newest i can find
11:19:04gotthardt while (IISCON & (1<<7)) ;
11:19:05markunJakeworld: yes
11:19:10gotthardtvoid pcm_play_pause_unpause(void)
11:19:14gotthardt INTMSK &= ~(1<<19);
11:19:23Jakeworldi'm using the december 20 version
11:19:28hcsyay, got spc playing
11:19:33debauched_slot1markun: jakeworld has an ipod
11:19:44gotthardtwaits for the FIFO to empty
11:19:45debauched_slot1I STILL think the build server is generating bad builds
11:20:04markundebauched_slot1: oops :)
11:20:28jbadebauched_slot1, i agree
11:20:34markunJakeworld: ignore me, thought you were talking about a gigabeat
11:20:37Jakeworldya, i understand there can be issues with the ipod especially, i was just wondering if anyone knew better, but I'm fine with an older build for now
11:20:50Jakeworldno prob, thanks for trying
11:21:22debauched_slot1jba: there have been a number of reports of issues loading rockbox, across more than one platform
11:21:55jbasloth i should have tried the latest bootloader from my svn with the version of the rockbox.gigiabeat on the build server
11:22:32debauched_slot1jba: bet it fails. though I have not looked
11:22:43markungotthardt, debauched_slot1: did anyone try if video playback with audio works at 200MHz?
11:22:48debauched_slot1I knew the new bootloader would be a problem but hopefully we will not have to do this again
11:22:52gotthardtnot i
11:23:01debauched_slot1nor I
11:23:33*jba has he first 11 episodes of heroes on his gigabeat at the same time
11:24:02debauched_slot1very addictive show there
11:24:16jbayeah it is, specially since it hasn't even came out in the .au yet
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11:24:40jbagotthardt / debauched_slot1, you guys done with me for now? getting tired
11:24:57gotthardtheh - i gotta go to - thanks jba
11:25:07jbaglad to have been of assistance
11:25:17jbanight mate
11:25:21debauched_slot1all set, thanks and good night all
11:25:25w1ll14m|worksleep wel ;)
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11:28:21linuxstb_markun: I think someone tested mpegplayer and it was only giving around 29fps for a 320x240 video if you remove the frame limiting. So it would probably struggle at 200MHz.
11:31:01markunlinuxstb_: didn't think of that test. the 16:9 version of Elefants Dream gives about 39fps
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11:34:04Febslinuxstb_: do you know whether the "20GB 4G Ipod" listed here is the correct partition table for a 20GB photo?
11:37:05BHSPitLappycan someone explain the Progress Bar aspect of WPSs to me, please?
11:37:20BHSPitLappyI can't for the life of me understand its conventions
11:39:20amiconnThe strange thing is that behaviour isn't consistent
11:39:56amiconnI didn't observe hanging boot on ipod yet, but problems switching to diskmode seem to come and go
11:40:21amiconn...even when building on the very same machine, with no changes to the usb related code inbetween
11:40:51linuxstb_Febs: It's probably worth a try, but I wouldn't guarantee it. It depends if the hard drives have exactly the same geometry.
11:41:17linuxstb_markun: If you do some tests on the Gigabeat, can you add them to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
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12:33:19senabdoes anyone know is it safe to delete the dir 'build-rbdev' after installing the cross compiler?
12:33:36senabthought so
12:33:43senabjust wanted to make sure
12:33:59JdGordonand the tmp dir
12:34:22JdGordonBagder: you around?
12:34:57senabhad to do it via sudo though
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12:35:06JdGordonof course....
12:35:17JdGordonit had root privelages when it was run...
12:35:36senabthat was making me think you couldn't delete it
12:35:57senabthen i thought it need root proviledge to install
12:36:13senabwell thats freed up 500mb
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12:47:37senabi've made a deb of wxwidgets 2.8, do you think it's worth putting it on the rbutil page?
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12:57:47linuxstb_senab: Some .deb packages for Ubuntu dapper are available here: - I don't know if they would work with Debian though.
12:58:22senabthey're only for dapper though
12:58:39senabthere are some for edgy64 but not 32
12:59:52senabthe dapper ones would probably work though
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13:06:36norbusanHi all! Is there some devel around which knows the power.c stuff?
13:08:57linuxstb_It's best to just ask your question and see if anyone can answer.
13:09:34norbusanOk, you may know the problem with "Always connected to power source" players. There are only a few of them, but they cannot be turned off properly.
13:11:14norbusanNow in the first link I sent there is a patch which helps those guys (and breaks for others). I volunteered to build a rockbox bin file for those guys and wanted to include the patch, but it does not apply at all, and searching through the source code showed no traces at all of the code changed. So I am lost. This is the patch:
13:11:24norbusan−−- rockbox-bleeding/firmware/drivers/power.c 2006-08-29 00:39:28.000000000 +0200 +++ rockbox-devel/firmware/drivers/power.c 2006-09-06 14:35:00.000000000 +0200 @@ -109,8 +109,10 @@ #ifdef CONFIG_CHARGING bool charger_inserted(void) { -#if defined(IRIVER_H100_SERIES) || defined(IRIVER_H300_SERIES) +#if defined(IRIVER_H100_SERIES) return (GPIO1_READ & 0x00400000)?true:false; +#elif defined(IRIVER_H300_SERIES) + return charging_st
13:11:34LloreanPasting a patch into the channel isn't really a good idea.
13:11:35norbusanUuups, damned c&p ...
13:12:12LloreanAre you having trouble finding charger_inserted, I'm guessing?
13:12:19norbusanIt is really simple, it changed only for H300 the return (GPIO1_READ & 0x00400000)?true:false; to return charging_state();
13:12:36norbusanThats all. Unfortunately there have been quite a lot of changes in the power.c file ...
13:12:49linuxstb_You probably want to look in the target-tree code - firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h300/
13:13:05***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
13:13:21linuxstb_The target-tree directories are relatively new, and code is being slowly migrated there.
13:13:33norbusanAhhhh ... thanks, found it ....
13:14:04norbusanI will make a build for those stucked with this problem. It seems to be some hardware problem or whatever. I does not cost me much to do a build ... Thanks.
13:14:09linuxstb_If you fix your patch, you should post it to the patch tracker - developers won't find it hidden on the misticriver forums...
13:14:29norbusanWell as said, it breaks for ALL OTHER H300 users!
13:14:44LloreanWe're in Popular Science1
13:14:49LloreanThat's why there's all the new people!.
13:15:01linuxstb_Is it a bug in Rockbox, or a hardware failure the patch works around?
13:15:47linuxstb_i.e. does the original firmware also have problems on those devices?
13:15:51norbusanhardware failure it works around: with this patch if the battery is fully charged the iriver firmware believes that the player is disconnected and turns off. after this it turns on automatically into the original firmware.
13:16:02norbusanyes, the original firmware also has this problem.
13:16:15linuxstb_Ah, OK.
13:16:27GodEaterWebPopular Science 1 ?
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13:16:33norbusanIts just that otherwise you cannot turn off the player without a paperclip
13:16:34LloreanGodEaterWeb: Typo.
13:16:39linuxstb_Llorean: Is the article online?
13:16:51GodEaterWebthat was going to be my next question :)
13:16:52Lloreanlinuxstb_: It's in the print magazine in the How 2.0 section, I'm about to go digging
13:17:11linuxstb_What an odd section name...
13:18:06*Llorean shrugs
13:18:14LloreanDoesn't look like it's on the site
13:18:31LloreanI imagine it'll show up at some later date, say once next issue is in the stands or something
13:18:45linuxstb_Yes, it looks like that kind of site.
13:19:08Lloreanlinuxstb_: Someone mentioned the article in our Forums.
13:19:11LloreanI haven't seen it yet.
13:19:30LloreanI'm going to be about 5 feet from a Newsstand that has it in about 6 hours, so I'll probably pick one up and see what I have to look forward to.
13:19:52scorcheI was about to mention that
13:20:02scorcheI have it in front of me
13:20:31*GodEaterWeb wonders if they botched the install instructions in the article
13:20:38scorchethey did
13:20:52GodEaterWebcan we write them a stinging email rejoinder then ? :)
13:21:03scorcheand it is rated Easy -|−−- Hard
13:21:04GodEaterWebRTFM kind of thing but in longer words
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13:21:23GodEaterWebscorche: well it *is* easy - but only if you've got the right instructions!
13:21:40linuxstb_scorche: What devices do they focus on?
13:21:48GodEaterWebI'm guessing iPod
13:21:54scorche!. Download the Rockbox software for your audio player at (the site provides detailed instructions)
13:21:55GodEaterWebgiven the number of posts there in the forum :)
13:21:58scorcheall devices
13:22:06GodEaterWeboh lord
13:22:15Lloreanscorche: Is this the 01/07 issue or is PopSci one of those magazines where you've got 02/07 in your hands already?
13:22:16GodEaterWebbest gear up for the bricked H1xx threads then
13:22:29scorchethen it says connect the player so it appears as a disc rather than a media device
13:22:32LloreanGodEaterWeb: H100s are hard to brick.
13:22:38linuxstb_I thought 03/07 would be out by now....
13:22:41scorcheLlorean: 2/07
13:22:46LloreanWell, they're ridiculously brickable, but they're hard to brick with our install method.
13:22:56scorchethen extract the zip
13:23:04scorchewait is the kicker!
13:23:11*GodEaterWeb is on tenterhooks
13:23:22scorche4. Go to to add new functions
13:23:37GodEaterWeboh dear...
13:24:02scorchethen on the side under the heading Play games and more:
13:24:35scorcheGo to to get PacMan and other classics, as well as a text editor and screensavers.
13:24:58GodEaterWebwell thank you very much inaccurate magazine of the year 2007
13:25:04linuxstb_That seems a unique collection of inaccuracies though...
13:25:33GodEaterWebit's like the writer got halfway through and then couldn't be bothered to finish it
13:25:41*Llorean repeats his wish that magazines actually contacted a project before writing about it.
13:25:52GodEaterWebget to stage X, and then go bother these people for more stuff because I can't be bothered to explain any more
13:25:54scorchethen under the heading Watch Movies: Download Mpegplayer at (the wiki link again) to convert just about any video to a viewable format. To see photos, get a plug-in called Jpeg.
13:26:22linuxstb_Do they get anything right?
13:26:36LloreanOh dear.
13:26:45LloreanInstructions somewhere that actually SAY mpegplayer must be downloaded.\
13:26:49GodEaterWebwho's going to write them the stinky email ?
13:27:01LloreanGodEaterWeb: If you don't mind, I'd really like to do it.
13:27:06linuxstb_Someone just forward this IRC log...
13:27:07GodEaterWebnot at all
13:27:11LloreanI'm definitely picking up an issue later today
13:27:19GodEaterWebit's a magazine from your great nation - not mine :)
13:27:34LloreanAnd I plan to write a full, well spoken description of not only what they got wrong, but the tech support nightmare it's going to cause us.
13:27:37scorcheFine-Tune Audio: Adjust a song's bass, treble, balance and even pitch - or use the karaoke function to mute vocals.
13:27:46scorchethey dont even mention the EQ or crossfade...
13:27:46GodEaterWebalthough in general I find US magazines far more informative than UK ones
13:27:55GodEaterWebI stopped buying the linux ones here - they're dreadful
13:27:56LloreanI want to, if at all possible, explain to them the *damage* not only to our ability to provide support, but possibly to user's players, their misinformation could cause.
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13:28:20scorcheLlorean: post versions in the ml so we can all enjoy =)
13:28:25GodEaterWebwe have a Karaoke function ?
13:28:31GodEaterWebthat's a new one on me
13:28:48bluebrotherLlorean: is the article available online?
13:28:48Lloreanbluebrother: Not that I could find.
13:28:48scorchebluebrother: not yet
13:28:56scorchethat is why i am typing the article...heh
13:29:03bluebrotherah :)
13:29:04GodEaterWebscorche: could you scan it ?
13:29:10Lloreanscorche: Aye, when I send the email, I'll forward it.
13:29:33bluebrothermaybe we should add a BadArticlesAboutRockbox page ;-)
13:29:40GodEaterWebhehe - yeah
13:29:42scorcheoh...and apparently the archos devices can do EVERYTHING an iPod can do
13:29:51GodEaterWebor another box next to sponsors : "Not helped at all by these people"
13:30:05Genre9mp3GodEaterWeb: the Karoke function removes all sound that is the same in both channels
13:30:17GodEaterWebneat - I'll have to read up on that one
13:30:47scorchei need to find the power cord to my scanner...
13:30:53*GodEaterWeb 's typing fingers are sore after the lengthy 80G post he made on the forums
13:31:18LloreanGodEaterWeb: I'm not entirely sure the karaoke function works on many targets right now, though
13:31:41GodEaterWebwell my only working target is my battery deficient H140 so I've not had a chance to actually USE rockbox for months :(
13:32:49amiconnLlorean: Karaoke should work on all targets
13:33:00GodEaterWebnot that I'd have used the Karaoke function - I'm not proud of my singing voice :)
13:33:15GodEaterWeband I get on well with neighbours currently
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13:33:37Lloreanamiconn: I remember for a while it wasn't working on SWCodec, and I didn't remember if that ever got fixed.
13:33:49Lloreanamiconn: If it is, then good. :)
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13:35:52scorchefound the power cord...just a sec while i scan it in
13:37:09amiconnLlorean: preglow implemented stereo width which also makes karaoke working months ago
13:37:45Lloreanamiconn: Ah, I didn't know the two were related. Thank you.
13:37:57amiconnKaraoke is basically a stereo width of infinity
13:41:57GodEaterWebamiconn: <−− has a possible explanation of having bits 7-0 set to zero on word 47 in the 80G's identity info. It looks like historically this indicated read/write multiple was disabled.
13:43:41scorchehere is the article so none of you go out and buy the issue:
13:44:13scorchesorry about the size...i just wanted to get it in
13:44:26GodEaterWebthanks scorche :)
13:45:16GodEaterWebgood lord - is that it ? One page ?
13:45:53scorcheabout a third, really
13:45:56GodEaterWebAre there any targets which *don't* include a zip file in the download ?
13:47:12GodEaterWebso their "if the download includes a .zip file" is completely superfluous and misleading
13:47:41scorcheor just them covering themselves because they didnt do any research
13:48:01GodEaterWebwhich they clearly didn't
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13:50:01scorchethey could have just copied WhyRockbox and had a better article
13:51:21scorcheLlorean: if you missed the link above...
13:52:18Lloreanscorche: I've read the article
13:52:28LloreanI'm now trying to find contact details for Associate Editor Doug Cantor
13:52:47scorchethey also say in here that the ety8 wireless IEMs have better-than-wired sound quality...
13:53:08bluebrother"if the download included .zip files"
13:53:20bluebrotherwow, that acticle is really bad.
13:53:44scorchehaha...i totally missed that he was the associate editor
13:53:50bluebrotherone could think RB enables you to record from the radio even on ipod ... only they don't have a radio
13:54:01Lloreanscorche: I only discovered that by stumbling across his name in their "What the editors want for Christmas" of a few years back.
13:54:14markunLlorean: I try to talk only about non rockbox stuff in #gigabeat. Hardware mods etc
13:54:50Lloreanmarkun: That's fine. As I said, the only real request I have is that no matter how easy the question is, tell them they should come here first if it's a Rockbox question, so they get in the habit of asking here first. :)
13:55:04peturLlorean: I think you'd better write to his superior...
13:55:23scorcheLlorean: yeah..i was just going to say CC it to someone above him
13:55:33Lloreanpetur: So far the only contact point I've found that's even *remotely* close is the "Letters to the Editor" column, which isn't exactly what I want.
13:56:06scorchei see Editorial Director: Scott Mowbray and Executive Editor: Michael Moyer
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13:56:53Lloreanscorche: Contact information for either of those somewhere? Are you looking at a webpage?
13:57:08peturhe seems to be on LinkedIn but not open to receiving anything
13:57:27scorcheLlorean: no...the required part by law on the magazine
13:57:42Lloreanscorche: Ah, gotcha.
13:57:59scorchethere is , but i dont know where that will take you
13:58:29Lloreanscorche: Issues for customers, like subscription status
13:58:40scorchethought so
13:58:46scorchebut you never know...
13:58:51LloreanI checked.
13:59:37LloreanI'm somewhat astonished they managed to pack that many support nightmares in that little space.
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14:00:16scorcheit almost like they would have to try to achieve that level
14:00:29scorches/it/it is
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14:00:34Genre9mp3This article contradicts to the term "Science" that this magazine has in title... pity
14:02:04scorcheGenre9mp3: a shame they used boxes instead of iCatcher, eh? ;)
14:02:55hcsthey could have openly stated it can be installed on iPods... but then there'd be a lot more misdirected people
14:03:12Lloreanhcs: They did mention briefly that there's an iPod version
14:03:34hcsok, my mistake
14:03:58hcsthis is why I'm not an editor
14:04:00LloreanBut the article does sound like it's not for iPods overall.
14:05:20Genre9mp3Does anyone remember this thread? :
14:06:10LloreanGenre9mp3: And you found me my first email address.
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14:09:04scorcheGenre9mp3: perhaps we should have baited him into checking things other than details that were not used for the article =/
14:09:38linuxstb_I see he never came back to the forums after that post...
14:09:58linuxstb_I mean after his last post.
14:10:07Genre9mp3To tell you the truth, judging from the question he made I thought he was working on a more detailed article... but unfortunately this wasn't the case
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14:10:21linuxstb_Maybe it started that way, but was heavily cut.
14:10:29scorcheand it was a person other than the listed author
14:10:40scorcheintern gathering details maybe
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14:11:28scorchehonestly, i am happy it wasnt longer
14:12:17LloreanHow's that look for contacting the "Fact Checker" from the wiki?
14:12:21LloreanErr forums
14:12:40scorchethat was quick
14:12:49LloreanI haven't sent it yet.
14:13:31scorchehow are you sending it?
14:13:43LloreanBy email to the gmail address for Bill from the forums.
14:13:50linuxstb_s/lead/led/ (in the first paragraph)
14:13:59LloreanEven if he's not an intern there now, he might have useful contact information
14:14:04linuxstb_(or am I wrong?...)
14:14:17scorcheLlorean: unable to find any other contact info for the other 3 people named?
14:14:35scorchelinuxstb_: you are correct
14:14:36Lloreanlinuxstb_: I think you're right.
14:14:42Lloreanscorche: Not so far, no.
14:15:16hcs*but also do not, on first line (still dealing with plural)
14:15:26hcser, second line
14:15:36scorcheLlorean: the "great influx of a question" sentence sounds odd...rephrase?
14:16:03Lloreanhcs: Changed it to a new sentence replacing "But" with "It"
14:16:33Lloreanscorche: create a "great increase in a type of a questions "?
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14:17:37scorchemakeyour plurals agree, and that sounds better
14:18:10Lloreantype of question
14:19:13LloreanAlright, I'm sending it, hopefully I can get a little more useful information as to who to contact next.
14:19:30LloreanWhile bad articles are one thing, this one shows no signs of real research at all.
14:19:35*scorche hopes he comes back with a useful response
14:19:54LloreanI fully expect it to come back with a "Dude, I don't work there any more"
14:20:10GodEaterWebor "So what? I still got my cheque"
14:20:32*scorche places his bet on a response that doesnt give other contact addresses to cover one's bottom
14:21:14scorcheGodEaterWeb: he is more likely to type check ;)
14:21:43GodEaterWebprobably :)
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14:22:24GodEaterWebbut I'm not compromising my spelling to keep you the fellas on the wrong side of the Atlantic happy :)
14:22:25Lloreanscorche: If he says "I can't give away X's email address" I'll say "Then please forward my email to him."
14:23:04scorchei was expecting something more along the lines of "i'll take care of this...dont worry...etc"
14:23:14scorcheand then him not
14:24:01LloreanI'm tempted to hunt for a contact phone number for the PopSci officies.
14:26:05GodEaterWebshouldn't that be printed in the magazine ?
14:26:21Genre9mp3I have lost faith on PC mags... I remember once buying a greek PC mag because it was coming with a 100+ page guide titled "The Ultimate Hack/Tweak guide for iPods" (free translation). I bought it because I expecting at least something about Rockbox... well, there wasn't a single page for Rockbox on that "Ultimate" guide..pffff
14:26:40LloreanGodEaterWeb: Probably
14:26:46scorcheit isnt
14:26:51scorchei see a fax though
14:26:56scorcheand an address
14:27:37scorchethere is a number for the customer service line
14:27:49LloreanI doubt that'd be too useful though.
14:27:54*Genre9mp3 assumes that Popular Science is indeed a poular mag (?)
14:28:01scorchemight as well give it an effort
14:28:07scorcheGenre9mp3: it is
14:28:12LloreanGenre9mp3: It's widely enough read for me to be genuinely worried about the impact of this.
14:28:22Genre9mp3I see...
14:28:37Lloreanscorche: I'm going to pick up a copy of the magazine myself anyway, so I'll probably try all of the contact information in it when I do.
14:28:55scorcheno need to waste the 4$...
14:29:44LloreanNah, I wanted to give it to my dad. He'll end up terribly excited that Rockbox is in it, so it'll be a fun little thing to do.
14:30:31scorcheI just got the magazine today (more probably yesterday), so hopefully we can wait a few before we see the impact
14:30:47scorchein the mail that is
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14:32:46scorchemy parents dont approve of me "wasting my time" with Rockbox...
14:33:16LloreanHonestly, I doubt that "fact checker" will respond, since it's pretty clear my point is how poorly the facts were checked.
14:33:30scorcheLlorean: hence my guess
14:33:45linuxstb_Llorean: Have you sent it yet?
14:33:59LloreanThen again, it's possible that the current article doesn't resemble what he worked on at all, in which case he might out of spite.
14:34:06Lloreanlinuxstb_: Yes.
14:34:15LloreanI'm still looking for better contact addresses though.
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14:34:34linuxstb_Ah, OK. I was going to suggest simply asking him for a contact, without telling him your grievances...
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14:34:46KCCCongrats on Rockbox making it into Pop. Mech.!
14:35:02GodEaterWebit made it there too ? :)
14:35:03KCCRegardless of any blatant factual errors.
14:35:06GodEaterWebor did you typo
14:35:27KCCahh yes, pop. sci.
14:35:30KCCsame type of magazine
14:35:35KCChah, apologies
14:39:12DataGhostata7 spec = 393-page document?
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14:39:19DataGhostor is it bigger?
14:39:24DataGhostah ok then I found it :P
14:39:34GodEaterWeb370 pages
14:39:39GodEaterWebyou need Volume 1
14:39:46DataGhostyea it's volume 1
14:39:48GodEaterWebVolume 2 and 3 aern't relevant to rockbox
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14:40:04GodEaterWebProject 1532D - Revision 4b is the latest one
14:40:26DataGhostoh yeah I see it stops at 370 pages
14:40:34DataGhostincluding the toc etc it's 393
14:40:36GodEaterWebthen you have the right document :)
14:40:53GodEaterWebenjoy - it's enthralling reading
14:40:53DataGhostis it available for free? or did I find a 'free' version
14:41:00GodEaterWebit's availble for free
14:41:14GodEaterWebunder "Projects"
14:41:18DataGhostthen I'll need to have my eyes checked
14:41:39DataGhostI was looking under "standards"
14:41:47GodEaterWebthat's where I started
14:41:54GodEaterWebtook me AGES to find it :)
14:42:09GodEaterWebyou want "Last drafts"
14:42:36DataGhostquote = rfc1855: Sometimes a person who asks you for help (or clarification) will send another message which effectively says "Never Mind".
14:42:43DataGhostlet's hope the guy I pm'ed knows that
14:43:08GodEaterWebI think, however the link under those "Last drafts" is broken
14:43:13GodEaterWebit only points to Volume 3
14:43:28GodEaterWebyou'll need to massage it manually to get Volume1 (by changing v3 in the filename to v1)
14:44:02GodEaterWebright - I'm out to lunch....
14:44:51DataGhostI can manage that yes :P
14:44:55DataGhostGuess I do have an older one
14:45:18DataGhostthis one is 'sold to' someone, 2005/10/27
14:45:22DataGhostand not for resale
14:45:29KCCdo mediamonkey and rockbox get along in terms of synchronizing your device?
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14:46:40markunin the mygigabeat forums some people are using rockbox and mediamonkey
14:46:59KCCheyy markun!
14:47:07markunhi :)
14:47:27KCCyoure the first person i remember working on the gigabeat
14:47:33KCCi salute you, hahaa
14:47:55markunYes, I was the first person
14:48:19markunin the beginning it was just me an gtkspert in #gigabeat
14:48:31DataGhostoh revision 4b is from 2004 :)
14:48:41DataGhostthe date on the website is something else
14:48:46KCCyouve done amazing work, let me tell ya
14:48:49KCChows france?
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14:52:56FRiZzOGood morning folks
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14:54:01Genre9mp3preglow: you can always find him in #zsnes if you feel so...
14:55:11preglowit's the same guy?
14:55:36preglowi just see someone posted an spc player patch
14:55:41preglowso i was wondering what happened to his plugin
14:55:43hcsthat's mine
14:56:00hcshe uploaded it just before the crash
14:56:08preglowhe said his ran realtime on ipods too
14:56:19preglowhcs: crash?
14:56:20hcsmyeah... well, he hasn't been forthcoming with it
14:56:25hcsserver crash
14:56:28preglownot very forthcoming, no
14:57:16hcsI'm just getting track lengths working now
14:58:57FRiZzOYou guys have done an excellent job on RockBox, just have to figure it out now :)
14:59:02linuxstb_hcs: What are the memory requirements for your codec? (I assume it's a codec?)
14:59:14KCCan SPC plugin?! rockbox just keeps gettin better and better...
14:59:24hcslinuxstb_: which codec?
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15:00:05linuxstb_Your spc player.
15:01:36linuxstb_I mean does it have issues with playing large files?
15:01:48*linuxstb_ has no idea how big spc files are.
15:01:49hcsspc files are all the same sizd
15:01:55hcsa little over 64k
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15:02:31FRiZzOcan I ask what SPC is?
15:02:37DataGhostprobably exactly 64k hcs? :)
15:02:41DataGhostaccording to wikipedia
15:02:52DataGhostor is it something different?
15:03:02DataGhost65535 bytes probably :P
15:03:05hcsDataGhost: nope, a tad more, for saving registers and header info
15:03:38hcsbut the bulk of it is the RAM, which is exactly 64k
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15:04:08amiconnFor such files we don't have the non-streaming file wrap problem
15:04:28amiconnAs they are so smal, the codec can copy them to the remainder of the codec ram
15:04:58goffaso... do i have to sync with svn to get source? or is there a source tar now that we've moved?
15:05:21preglowthey're exactly 64kib
15:05:35linuxstb_hcs: Do spc files always contain exactly one song?
15:05:50hcsthough they may contain sound effects :)
15:06:18linuxstb_So is anything about them not Rockbox-friendly? Infinite looping?
15:06:37hcsmany can loop infinitely
15:06:40DataGhostprobably, considering it's game-audio
15:06:43DataGhostjust like mod etc
15:06:53preglowmost loop by default
15:07:02hcsI have that enabled when in repeat one mode
15:07:06preglowbut there's is metadata (id666, i think) available
15:07:11preglowwhich can say how long the track is
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15:07:49DataGhostI'm gonna get myself some lunch :)
15:08:06hcsat the moment I'm only reading the metadata which is within the 256 byte header
15:08:20preglowmost players handle tracks with no tags by using a default song length
15:08:22preglowso should we
15:08:23hcswhich contains the length and fade for most
15:08:56hcsok, at the moment I have those defaulting to forever but a default length would be fine, what do you suggest?
15:09:05preglowno idea
15:09:05linuxstb_Does the codec output at 32KHz?
15:09:10preglow3-4 mins or somethinf
15:09:17preglowshould be enough for two loops
15:09:42KCCis there a page for the SPC plugin?
15:09:45*preglow sings the good resampler blues
15:10:02hcsyeah, I'm trying not to notice the resampler...
15:10:30hcsthere's a resampler in the code but I have it commented out now, I'd like to get it working on iPods first
15:10:39linuxstb_The gigabeat should be capable of native 32KHz output, once the playback engine is adapted for such things...
15:10:45hcsoh, cool
15:11:01linuxstb_Only the Coldfire targets have the 44.1KHz limit.
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15:11:32linuxstb_I'm pretty sure 32KHz is supported by all the WM codecs...
15:11:47markunlinuxstb_: are you sure?
15:11:56preglowyou should never have to worry about resampling in a codec
15:11:59preglowjust output whatever you want
15:12:32linuxstb_markun: No.... Does the Gigabeat use the WM codecs differently to the ipods?
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15:14:04BigBambiSlasheri, ping
15:14:20markunlinuxstb_: In the table for supported freqs for our clock are only the 44.1kHz multiples and divisions
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15:14:45preglowthink i'll go ahead and msg pagefault
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15:20:37markunlinuxstb_: or is it possible to switch to the 'usb mode'?
15:20:46markunI'm talking about page 33
15:20:58PaulJamlittle question, is 15 fps a valid framerate for mpeg2?
15:21:20hcsdamnit, I turned off the backlight on my tgb by mistake...
15:21:24MikachuPaulJam: i think so
15:21:25linuxstb_PaulJam: Unofficially, yes.
15:21:49Mikachuwhy can't it be an arbitrary fraction?
15:22:04linuxstb_It can be, but the specs restrict the valid framerates.
15:22:24linuxstb_There is a "frame duration" (any number of 27MHz ticks) for each frame.
15:23:02Mikachuit can vary?
15:24:10linuxstb_MPEG streams are designed to be random access streams, so I think information like that is stored in each individual frame header. But I don't know if it's allowed to change in the same stream.
15:24:25Mikachuah right
15:25:29goffaso is the only way to get source off the daily builds page? or is there a way to get it off the svn page?
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15:27:04markungoffa: yes, daily builds
15:27:27Mikachui think the cvs builds page used to have a source tarball too
15:27:29goffaok.. so no way to get newest source other than waiting for tomorrow?
15:27:38Mikachuyou can of course use svn to get it
15:27:39goffait did at one point
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15:28:08goffahaven't done that... should probably learn how
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15:30:24linuxstb_markun: I'm not sure how the clocking works, but I know that the full range of frequencies are accessible for the PortalPlayer targets. Of course, the clocks may be different in the gigabeat and prevent it.
15:31:12goffahoping libsvn-dev is the ubuntu package i need
15:31:25linuxstb_Is there a package just called "subversion" ?
15:31:34linuxstb_That's what it is called in Debian.
15:31:34goffadidn't see one
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15:32:37goffagetting now
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15:34:37goffaok.. so now to get the source via svn, what do i do?
15:34:40linuxstb_PaulJam: If you're re-encoding NTSC (30000/1001 = 29.97fps) material, don't choose 15fps, try and use 15000/1001 (14.985fps).
15:34:44linuxstb_See the topic
15:35:23PaulJamlinuxstb_: thank you, i will try that.
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15:38:06debauched_slot1markun: IIRC, we used to clock using USB mode, so I think it is an option
15:38:19debauched_slot1gotthardt would know better than I since he fixed the sampling
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15:40:49PaulJamthis framerate does not work, mencoder gives an error: MPEG1/2 does not support 15000/1001 fps
15:41:07Mikachui think exactly 15, not 14.99
15:41:25PaulJam15 works
15:41:34Mikachuyou can't just change the fps in mencoder if the source fps is different
15:41:42Mikachuit will lose a/v sync
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15:42:15PaulJami thought that is what the "-ofps" option is for
15:42:28Mikachuhm, maybe it can
15:42:38Mikachutry it and see
15:43:06Mikachui know the man page says "can be different from that of the source material" but i suspect they are referring to when you're using a filter which drops or adds frames
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15:47:17markundebauched_slot1: ok, that's good to hear.
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15:53:00linuxstb_Mikachu, PaulJam: These seem to be the framerates ffmpeg/mencoder allows:
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15:54:22DerPapstthis Project 1532D Volume 1 - Revision 4b document is makeing my head hurt :-/
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15:55:08PaulJamthank you
15:55:32linuxstb_Mikachu, PaulJam: Ignore what I've been saying previously, the fps is not arbitrary in an mpeg video stream, it's from a lookup table... libmpeg2 confused me.
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15:55:52linuxstb_libmpeg2 has the same lookup table as I just posted from ffmpeg.
15:56:01Mikachui suspected that when i saw 15/1 listed twice
15:56:06linuxstb_And me...
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16:02:03goffahmm.. getting data abort, stuff going on with the lcd, and choppy audio on latest build on my gigabeat
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16:02:40markungoffa: and you updated the bootloader?
16:02:47goffamarkun: yes
16:03:15markunI compiled the bootloader and rockbox from source, you too?
16:03:29goffayes.. did make fullzip
16:03:37goffaand bootloader, you mean rockbox.gigabeat right?
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16:03:48markunno, I mean FWIMG01.DAT
16:03:56goffaoh... no then
16:04:06goffathat's probably my prob
16:04:10goffadidn't know we had to do that now
16:04:26goffaum... there a guide i can look at on doing the bootloader?
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16:04:53markungoffa: make a new build dir and choose B in tools/configure
16:05:02markun(after selecting the gigabeat)
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16:17:38tchanIs there a restriction in the ipod 4G simulator that only allows a certain number of themes to be installed? I was trying out some new WPS from in the simulator but it refuses to display the "Britten" WPS....
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16:18:54goffathat seemed to fix things markun
16:19:03tchanrefuses to display, as in the choice for britten is not even included in the Browse Themes list
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16:19:32goffawell.. not totally
16:19:42goffalike when i make a playlist
16:19:48goffaand the number counts up
16:19:55goffathe old text isn't erased from the screen
16:20:14goffabut the new text updates
16:20:27goffacreating black blobs where its counting up (as opposed to a number)
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16:23:41markungoffa: try to clean out your build dir and rerun configure before make (and make zip) maybe that helps
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16:24:59goffaok.. i'll try that again
16:25:07KCCcan somebody send me the Gigabeta Rockbox simulator? the site seems to be down
16:27:42linuxstb_tchan: Have you tried it on a real 4G? There shouldn't be any limitations like that.
16:29:12amiconnThis optimisation for gigabeat bitmaps looks buggy, and unnecessarily limited
16:29:46amiconnIt looks like it should optimise solid drawing, but draws fg only for mono bitmaps
16:30:14amiconnFurthermore, the code should work on all 16-bit-lcd arm targets, not only gigabeat
16:30:32markunamiconn: I hope sloth is reading the logs
16:30:39tchanlinuxstb_: Haven't tried it yet on a real 4G. My real 4G is on a fedex truck and will be here Thurs. :(
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16:32:29amiconn[16:20:02] <goffa> the old text isn't erased from the screen
16:32:29amiconn[16:20:22] <goffa> but the new text updates
16:32:29amiconn[16:20:34] <goffa> creating black blobs where its counting up (as opposed to a number)
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16:32:55amiconn^^ signs of implementing DRMODE_SOLID wrong
16:33:15linuxstb_amiconn: Are there similar asm optimisations any other LCD formats?
16:33:22amiconnNo, not yet
16:34:13amiconnAnd I wonder why they're deemed so imprortant by the gigabeat people
16:34:41amiconnI guess there are other things to fix which don't work properly yet. Drawing is just a little slower w/o optimisation
16:34:44markunamiconn: ask them
16:35:15linuxstb_Is Greg in .au ?
16:37:00markunlinuxstb_: USA I think
16:37:26markunno sure
16:37:41goffai'm rebuilding.. got 2 phone calls
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16:40:58linuxstb_tchan: There is no theme .cfg file included with the britten WPS. You'll need to use the "Browse WPS" option to choose the wps, and then Browse Fonts to choose the font.
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16:41:19goffagrr.. phone again
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16:43:34Soapbluebrother: do you have a second?
16:43:35tchanlinuxstb_: thanks. Yes, I did get it from
16:45:50bluebrotherSoap: just came back
16:46:23SoapI'm afraid I know the answer to this question, but do you edit the latex manual files by hand?
16:46:51SoapThe answer I'd like to hear is "There is this awesome GUI editor...."
16:46:55bluebrotherso you want a nicer editor than wordpad? ;-)
16:47:03bluebrotherok. You could try texmaker
16:47:33SoapI'll look into that, thank you.
16:47:49bluebrotheror TeXmacs, but I don't know how good this works
16:47:58bluebrotherespecially with our macro stuff
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16:48:40bluebrotherah, seems that evolved to some latex-export-thingy
16:48:43SoapI guess that brings up another question - what pitfalls do I need to look out for regarding the macros then?
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16:49:24GodEaterWebSoap: There's always LyX
16:49:24bluebrotherhave you read the ManualHowto and LatexGuidelines pages? They should contain the most important stuff
16:49:29linuxstbI don't think a gui editor would work well - unless everyone used the same one. I would imagine it would make lots of unwanted changes.
16:49:31GodEaterWebthat's a GUI Editor
16:49:53bluebrotherthe code produces by LyX is ... not too nice
16:50:17bluebrotherso I'm pretty sure it won't work in a useful way for the Rockbox manual
16:50:22GodEaterWeb*shrug* - it's the only GUI editor I know of though
16:50:36Soapahh, that is a good point linuxstb, I'll spend more time getting comfortable with the markups then.
16:50:36bluebrotherbut if you're doing something else maybe it's worth a look.
16:51:03bluebrotherHaven't looked at LyX for a couple of years (mostly since I learned LaTeX myself ;-)
16:51:06GodEaterWebwhy don't we use DocBook ?
16:51:07SoapI guess I was thinking GUI=DiveRightIn, but...
16:51:30bluebrotherGodEaterWeb: I think because originally we had OOo. And there's a converter to LaTeX.
16:51:38linuxstbGodEaterWeb: Know a good free formatter for docbook?
16:51:41goffahmm.. getting same thing on create playlist
16:52:01GodEaterWeblinuxstb: Nope - I always did that by hand
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16:52:14GodEaterWebbut it's a sight easier than doing LaTeX by hand IMHO
16:52:22bluebrotherGodEaterWeb: now do that nightly on the rockbox build server ;-)
16:52:27linuxstbGodEaterWeb: I mean formatting/processing docbook to generate PDF.
16:52:38GodEaterWebthere's a tool chain to do that
16:52:47bluebrotherlatex is quite easy when you are used to it as long as you don't want to do special stuff
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16:52:52GodEaterWebI've not done it for a while
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16:52:58GodEaterWebbut it worked well from what I recall
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16:54:01linuxstbGodEaterWeb: But I think the choice was made by the person who decided to do the work - i.e. someone said "shall I convert the manual to latex?" and we all said yes, good idea.
16:54:24GodEaterWeblinuxstb: that's more the answer I was looking for :)
16:55:24preglowisn't docbook xml?
16:55:35SoapI don't want to do special stuff, just lots of minor tweaks.
16:55:35GodEaterWebdocbook is either xml or sgml
16:55:36linuxstbpreglow: sgml originally, now there's an xml version.
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16:55:38GodEaterWebdepending on which version you use
16:55:56linuxstbpreglow: But xml is good for documents - easy to transform into other formats.
16:55:57GodEaterWebI only ever used the SGML version - it was much easier to find tools to work with it
16:55:58preglowequally unreadable anyway
16:56:05bluebrotheras long as you only do special stuff I think it's mostly copying the way it's currently done, and that should be fairly easy
16:56:09GodEaterWeband Latex is readable ?
16:56:25bluebrotherGodEaterWeb: it is :-P
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16:56:30GodEaterWebif you say so
16:56:47bluebrotherit's like doxygen style for comments: once you get used to it it gets quite nice
16:57:05GodEaterWebit's something else that's on my "never learn to do this" list
16:57:18GodEaterWebI understand the need in the scientific community
16:57:26GodEaterWebbut not for publishing software manuals
16:57:34bluebrotherand reading formulae is really easier than in some try to do it in ASCII-Art
16:58:00GodEaterWebI've noticed a distinct lack of formulae in the RockBox manual
16:58:17bluebrothershould I add some?
16:58:27GodEaterWebnot for the sake of it please
16:58:27linuxstbYes, fill out that EQ section...
16:58:56preglowwhat makes docbook more suited than latex anyway?
16:59:14bluebrotherbtw, doxygen can run latex to print formulae ... I used that once. The comment looks a bit weird but the documentation is great
16:59:14preglowand mind you, i'm not latex's biggest fan
16:59:16GodEaterWebif the choice had been mine - I wouldn't have used either
16:59:16preglowbut it's the best thing i've seen thus far
16:59:18GodEaterWebbut it wasn't
16:59:26linuxstbGodEaterWeb: What would you have used?
16:59:35GodEaterWebI'd have stuck with OOO :)
16:59:46GodEaterWebbut I'm not doing the job
16:59:53GodEaterWebso I'm happy to leave the decision to someone else
16:59:53linuxstbAnd automatically generated 20 different manuals?
16:59:54preglowooo ?
17:00:17preglowoh, that's rather ill-suited
17:00:28preglowoutput often looks like shit, and you'd have to write all manuals separately
17:00:46GodEaterWeblike I said : it wasn't my decision, so you can all be very glad :)
17:01:04bluebrotherI can't think of anything that is better suited for our needs than Latex. If someone knows better feel free to tell me :)
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17:01:47preglowi would very much love for latex to handle fonts better
17:01:53preglowif that was fixed, i'd love latex
17:02:18goffai notice my screen not refreshing issue when i have show current directory enabled and the current dir attempts to scroll left-right
17:02:44goffawhich i'm thinking is the same bug as when creating a playlist
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17:03:34kypim sure u get this question a lot. but i was wondering if rockbox will ever work on 80gb ipods?
17:03:34ThinkPadwould rockbox run on my Archos GMini XS100? :)
17:03:42bluebrotherThinkPad: no
17:03:58ThinkPadbluebrother: why (technically)?
17:04:11bluebrothernobody has ported it
17:04:26ThinkPadbut from the hw side it would possibly run?
17:04:27bluebrotherdon't know about the hardware. Maybe the wiki has some information about that
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17:04:50amiconngoffa: This is a bug in the gigabeat lcd optimisation, check the log from ~35 mins ago
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17:06:03bluebrothernot sure if they are similar to the xs100
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17:07:15ThinkPadbluebrother: Yeah, I just found it
17:07:17ThinkPadthanks :)
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17:11:21goffaoh ok amiconn
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17:39:42KCCExplosivo in the #gigabeat channel posted...
17:39:52KCCworth watching, maybe even including a link on the Rockbox page?
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17:45:57GodEaterWeb <−− comments anyone ?
17:46:01toffeI had something strange yesterday : I load my gigabeat with a lot of mp3 and when I wanted to play them, it gave me an error codec failure on any file I wanted to play
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17:46:20toffeI switch off and on and it is ok ?? any idea ?
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17:48:04Soapif Soap had his way all Rockbox videos would be removed from youtube.
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17:52:32preglowif preglow had his way, all videos would be removed from youtube
17:52:44preglowbloody piece of shit website
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17:54:39SoapThose videos attract people who want eye-candy, and expect eye-candy given to them NOW!
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18:24:27midgeybarrywardell: updated version of #6539
18:28:58KCCwow, no love for youtube
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18:34:24bluebrothersomeone running os x here?
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18:36:36BigBambiSlasheri, if you read the logs - I have noticed a small problem with bootloader 7 pre 3 - you cannot turn on with the remote - regardless of position of either hold switch, it says hold is on and turns off again. From main unit is fine.
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18:38:27muesli__new bootloader for h3xx coming soon?
18:40:55SlasheriBigBambi: hmm, weird. Do you have the normal lcd remote?
18:40:59Slasherifor me it works fine
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18:42:19Slasherihmm, maybe we read the hold switch status too early then..
18:42:30BigBambiIt worked OK before I put the new bootloader on, so a hardware problem would be a coincidence!
18:42:33Slasheriand on your player adc converter has not stabilized yet
18:42:52BigBambiCould be - it doesn't take long at all to decide hold is on
18:43:07BigBambiIt is very repeatable as well, I've tried it quite a few times
18:43:35BigBambiMessage comes up almost as soon as backlight
18:45:01Slasherihmm, it would be nice to hear from others how many people has that issue with that bootloader
18:45:15Slasheriprobably just a very short delay would fix that
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18:45:38BigBambiI'm not terribly confident fiddling with bootloader code myself :)
18:46:24BigBambiHowever, if you could point me where to look I can try - although I guess a changed bootloader would also need a new flashing plugin for the CRC
18:46:29Slasherihmm, maybe i could provide a test build for you to test.. but i don't have time right now, tomorrow altought tomorrow would be fine :)
18:46:42Slasheriyep, correct
18:46:52BigBambifine by me, i can handle using the main unit power on for now
18:47:13BigBambiWould be keen to test though, let me know whenever you have time (no rush!)
18:47:32Slasherii will :)
18:47:41BigBambicheers :)
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18:54:51barrywardellmidgey: those sansa plugin patches look fine now :)
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19:00:46*Soap is sorry for killing the forums.
19:01:12bluebrothermidgey, the manual should now build on os x again (hopefully)
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19:21:06sk8does anyone have the jBlackGlass theme working
19:21:34sk8for ipod photo 30gb
19:21:40sk8thats the link
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19:24:11SoapHis patches are way out of date.
19:24:56SoapIronicly (as many people think of him and iPods) Mysticriver has probably more current info on his patches than anyplace else.
19:26:16perldiverwhy album art and margin scrolling patches are not being included in svn builds?
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19:26:33perldiverpeople ask about them all the time and they seem to work OK
19:26:59bluebrothergtg now. bbl
19:27:00SoapBut he has stoped (for the time being?) working on them, and they will take a lot of work to get back current. The person who is willing to invest this time will be praised by all lovers of eye-candy, but realize eye-candy is what it is and you will understand why most of the core team hasn't lifted a finger to work on them (not to mention PiJ's failure to post to the tracker, the ugliness of the patches themselves, blah blah blah.)
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19:27:57sk8well PiJ did an awesome job with the theme
19:28:04sk8i mean it looks amazing
19:28:12sk8but he doesnt help with it
19:28:16sk8i contacted him
19:28:26sk8but he doesnt respond
19:28:27SoapI wouldn't either.
19:28:32sk8he was on AIM
19:28:34SoapRead his build thread.
19:28:41sk8where is that
19:28:43SoapHe offered up these for free
19:28:48sk8can u send the link please
19:29:03Soapand the gall of people. DEMANDING more and more from him was sad.
19:29:26Soapin the unsuported builds forum.
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19:31:14sk8how do u use the patches
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19:31:49sk8and when u upload music what format does it have to be
19:32:06sk8.acc or other forms k
19:32:17sk8like .wma
19:32:25linuxstbAlmost any format is supported by Rockbox. Major exceptions are wma, rm and ape
19:32:44sk8so no .wma
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19:37:45*amiconn needs one more register than there are in the coldfire
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19:38:13*petur suggests amiconn tapes one to the side of the chip
19:38:30linuxstbapt-get install extra-register
19:38:47amiconnNo network on the iriver ;(
19:39:06linuxstbOh well...
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19:42:58*Slasheri wonders when we need to implement tcp/ip :)
19:43:06Slasherii hope the time comes, with wlan..
19:43:34linuxstbI'm sure eventually one target will get usbotg working...
19:43:40perldivernever saw that one before
19:44:21Soapvery similar to the one Senab uses.
19:44:34*XavierGr pings petur for USBOTG support :P
19:45:13Slasheriperldiver: not bad :)
19:45:25peturmaybe I'll have some RB time starting mid-february :(
19:45:36perldiveryes, could appeal to eye-candy loving masses :P
19:45:55Slasherithat could be the boot logo :P
19:46:08Mikachumy boot logo
19:47:23perldiverSoap does senab builds use it as a logo or a similar picture?
19:47:57Slasheridoes the bootloader use a logo too? that would be nice especially for ipods -> long boot time
19:48:09Slasheriunless there are errors, then those would be displayed
19:48:25perldiverSlasheri yeah theres a patch for that
19:48:29SoapPiJ had one he was working on, but it is also old.
19:48:33Mikachui changed my bootloader to not print anything, so the Apple apple shows right up until my wormeaten apple
19:48:51SlasheriMikachu: sounds good too
19:49:01Mikachui tried to make holding left show the text, but it's flakey at best
19:49:06perldiverSoap what about this page then">
19:49:18perldiverthat seems to be updated
19:49:41SoapSenab's stuff is current, I thought we weretalking about pijulius?
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19:53:01perldiverisnt senab using pj's patches? sorry im not really ipod side of things but thinking of putting rockbox to my g5, its laying around doing nothing
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19:54:27perldivermaybe you'd like to know guys, gigabeat hit 21 hours playback time
19:54:30Soapno he is not.
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19:57:36perldiverSoap oh i see
19:57:48perldiverpj's works are great though
19:59:25Slasherii will commit the improved scrolling for iriver someday soon
20:00:29Mikachudoes anyone have the code? *paranoid*
20:02:10perldiverwhats wrong with the scrolling now?
20:02:28Soaptakes forever to scroll through long lists.
20:03:18SoapI have to nest my albums to get to the bottom in a reasonable amount of time.
20:03:21FRiZzOwow, thats what I want is there a setting to set speed of the scroll?
20:03:37perldiverdoes it freeze and resolve?
20:04:07SoapI have /music/<artist>/<year> - <album>/<track#> - <track title>.mp3 now
20:04:36FRiZzOis it cause im using the database view?
20:04:38SoapI'd _much_ rather have /music/<artist> - <year> - <album>/<track#> - <track title>.mp3
20:04:43FRiZzOor is it just something that is still the works to make it faster
20:05:03linuxstbSoap: I have your current layout, and prefer it.
20:05:34Slasheriperldiver: just try it and you _will_ see =)
20:05:51MikachuSoap: you mean the middle right? you can wrap to get to the end :)
20:05:54Slasheriit works horrible
20:05:59perldiverSlasheri ha i never use my g5
20:06:25Soappoint Mikachu.
20:06:46SlasheriFRiZzO: do you have a 5G?
20:10:49FRiZzOYeah sorry I didn't mention that I have a Ipod video 60gig
20:11:47FRiZzOI'm trying to figure this stuff out, I love it so far! flac files sound so good
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20:11:59FRiZzOI can blast them in my truck
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20:32:42barrywardellmidgey: do you have commit access or do you want me to commit those patches?
20:33:00midgeyi dont have commit access
20:33:14midgeyi added sudoku if you hadnt noticed
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20:33:16barrywardellok, i'll commit them so
20:33:23barrywardelli'm testing sudoku now :)
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20:44:22midgeybarrywardell: would now be a good time to pester people about getting commit access?
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20:44:40midgeyor at least attempt to get blackjack committed ;)
20:45:18dan_amidgey: What flyspray# is blackjack?
20:46:24barrywardellmidgey: I think Bagder is the one to talk to about that
20:46:42midgeybarrywardell: ok
20:47:57linuxstbdan_a: Planning on committing blackjack?
20:48:01Nico_Pis it possible to get the logf output in the sim ?
20:48:23linuxstbAre you running it in Windows or Linux (or something else) ?
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20:48:59dan_alinuxstb: Having a look at the code - I think midgey should be allowed to commit it, though ;)
20:49:06linuxstbOn an iriver sim, (and maybe others...), it should appear on the remote's LCD...
20:49:17linuxstbOtherwise use DEBUGF, and that will just write to the console.
20:50:22Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah, i know about DEBUGF, but there's already a lot of info in logf i'd like to see... and also DEBUGF already prints a lot of info and i'd like to print a big one so I thought maybe logf would be better
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20:50:43Nico_Pand the remote lcd seems to show what it would IRL
20:50:55linuxstbNico_P: It should be easy to hack the logf function to write the output to the terminal.
20:51:15Nico_Pso currently it's not stored anywhere ?
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20:51:59linuxstbYes, it's stored in the logf buffer.
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20:52:28linuxstbIt seems it's already setup for writing the output - if you define __PCTOOL__...
20:52:36linuxstbLook in firmware/logf.c
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20:53:14linuxstbAnd just add #define __PCTOOL__ at the top - just after #ifdef ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF
20:53:24Nico_Pok, thanks
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20:57:32GodEateramiconn: are you around ?
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20:58:09barrywardellmidgey: i think for sudoku toggle maybe we could use scroll up/down
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21:07:07rUISuHi, I would lie to upload a WPS for the Gigabeat port, do I need permision to upload? I get this −−-+ Access Denied
21:08:16linuxstbHave you created a wiki account?
21:08:29FRiZzOWhat font size you guys find the best on ipod 5g?
21:08:40linuxstbThe sytem font, 5x6... :)
21:08:54linuxstbAnd 5x8.... I can't type any more.
21:09:19FRiZzOmakes me feel old :)
21:09:27linuxstbIn fact, I think it's 6x8, but I should stop...
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21:17:38linuxstbrUISu: You now have write access.
21:17:43preglowThe iPhone is running an optimised but full version of OS X that weighs in at “considerably less” than half a GB
21:17:46preglowjeez laweez
21:17:49rUISutahnks you very mucho :)
21:17:55linuxstbpreglow: lol
21:18:24perldiverwas there any interest ever in porting scummvm to rockbox?
21:18:33preglowthe apple engineers have to be snorting finest-grade cocaine
21:18:46linuxstbperldiver: There was a forum thread about it, but I don't think it progressed beyond that.
21:19:07perldiverlinuxstb yes im looking now, it has 2 posts in 2005
21:19:19linuxstbI'm sure there was a more recent one.
21:19:46Zagorpreglow: with their flash deal, they can afford the extra space :)
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21:20:51preglowbut how bloody necessary can it possibly be
21:21:20Zagor"apple" and "necessary" shouldn't be used in the same sentence
21:21:25dan_aI used to have a phone with an OS that weighed in at *considerably* less than half a GB
21:21:39markunperldiver: I would be interested
21:22:06linuxstbperldiver: I must be mistaken, searching doesn't find a longer or more recent thread than that one...
21:22:31linuxstbUnless it was deleted in the forum reorganisation...
21:22:37Genre9mp3how scummvm would be possible on such small screens?
21:22:55dan_aperldiver, linuxstb: I remember that thread. I think the conclusion was that since scummvm was in C++ it would be challenging to port it.
21:23:03perldiverGenre9mp3 good question
21:23:20linuxstbThere's also a flyspray task -
21:23:46perldiverbut some games might look ok
21:23:47markunGenre9mp3: on a 320x240 screen a lot of the games will look fine
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21:24:00the_conleymarkun: has any code been written for gigabeat S yet?
21:25:04markunthere was only a linux on the Zune hoax
21:25:42the_conleyIs anyone working on the S?
21:25:48linuxstbmarkun: Is that confirmed as a hoax now?
21:26:23markunlinuxstb: the thread was removed and the main programmer was seen on other forums asking for programming tutorials I believe
21:26:41Genre9mp3linuxstb: Has all the hoax characteristics IMO
21:26:57linuxstbGenre9mp3: I agree.
21:27:26markunThey were mainly looking for graphics people. That's the most important thing if you port linux of course :)
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21:29:27Genre9mp3about the ScummVM... ok, even if there's no problem on 320x240 screens and even if you can emulate the mouse, how about the keyboard?
21:30:00markunGenre9mp3: for the savegames?
21:30:10perldiverwhy do you need the keyboard?
21:30:24Mikachuscummvm doesn't use keyboards
21:30:32Mikachuexcept for typing save game names, but you can generate those
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21:31:58Genre9mp3Ok.. I only have played Monkey Island and Broken Sword and that wasn't much to tell you the truth... I thought that you needed the keyboard as well to play
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21:32:30muesli__Genre9mp3 did u find the 4th t-shirt?
21:32:35perldiveri dont remember much keyboard use in those except for bringing menus
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21:33:20Mikachuyou can use the keyboard as shortcuts for the buttons in the toolbar
21:33:36Genre9mp3muesli__: huh? If you are refering to the games... it's a long time ago.. I don't have a clue! :)
21:33:39goffawell quest for glory used keyboards quite extensively
21:33:44GodEaterlinuxstb: see that most recent comment in #ipodlinux
21:33:47goffaat least hero's quest did.. before it was qfg
21:34:12muesli__Genre9mp3 ;-) just asked the poisened dogs ;)
21:34:57perldiverscummvm doesnt support sierra titles
21:35:16goffaok.. was thinking it did
21:35:23linuxstbGodEater: Yes...
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21:35:47Mikachui play fate of atlantis every couple of years, for nostalgia :)
21:37:00GodEaterthat was an awesome game :)
21:37:48rUISuWhy am i getting this "?" at the end of my wps? is that normal for the ps you upload?
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21:40:32perldiverrUISu interesting wps
21:41:38GodEaterit seems the ipodlinux kernel's ATA driver can read *something* from the 80G ipod's drive
21:42:13n1srUISu: because it's CamelCase twiki thinks it's a WikiWord (don't remember how to tell it that it's not)
21:42:49rUISuoh god, its true :P its camelcas:Pe
21:43:46rUISuthere :)
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21:50:59BiptoNlinuxstb: is there a patch for the memcpy or what not you added?
21:51:51linuxstbI didn't add memcpy, but it's in SVN now.
21:52:55BiptoNno patch than? thanks
21:53:09BiptoNdiff from cvs?
21:53:16linuxstbSVN has replaced CVS.
21:53:32linuxstbThey are both version control systems.
21:54:04BiptoNahh IC
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21:56:10maxwellHi there, first of all rockbox is doing amazing on my iaudio x5l, it's just brilliant! Love the fact that i now can easily record lossless audio!
21:57:09maxwellBut I've got a problem with the clix theme, just installed the one for x5 but the fonts are displaced
21:57:22n1smaxwell: did you install the fonts?
21:57:30maxwellActually everything is displaced
21:57:42n1sdoes the theme require patches?
21:57:46maxwellThe one of csv and the ones in the package
21:57:56maxwellJust a second, I'll have a look again
21:59:06Genre9mp3maxwell: It's either that you missing the fonts or the wps requires one or more patches
21:59:27maxwellYeah, some other themes don't work either
21:59:34maxwellJust checking what i made wrong
21:59:39maxwellOr what I'm missing
21:59:40Genre9mp3and I'm almost sure that the Clix theme requires patches
21:59:44pixelmaor both (and I think the clix needs some patches)
22:00:38maxwellIt says "Make sure you have the latest patched build for this to work!"...which Patches exactly?
22:01:29maxwellFound one
22:01:32maxwellThanks guys (:
22:02:47maxwellDeary me, think that this is the wrong one
22:03:13n1sthat's just another wps
22:04:00maxwellI'm just running the latest CVS, so I should have the latest patches, right?
22:04:21maxwellOr what exactly does he mean by "Make sure you have the latest patched build for this to work"?
22:04:42Genre9mp3If its the latest CVS then it's not the _latest_ :P
22:05:07Genre9mp3probably means that he is providing a custom build in the forums
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22:06:22maxwellThat's rubbish, I feel like a complete Idiot after beeing searching the whole forum. But I'll try again, thanks
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22:07:07Genre9mp3try the Unsupported Builds section
22:08:25maxwellHa, no, think I've found the patches
22:08:41maxwellThanks guys, to blind to see the right link (:
22:08:46RedbrevaTry"> to get a nClix wps with matching custom build...
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22:10:08GodEaterI think I'm going to need an experience linux hacker for this
22:10:11pixelmaI thought nClix is for the nano? (not the X5)
22:10:14maxwellThere's a special build that comes with all needed patches
22:10:19GodEaterthe ipl ide driver is WAY more complex than ours =/
22:11:26GodEateryou can even see in DerPapst's screen shots that it's read the partition table though
22:12:28linuxstbGodEater: If I was you, I would just try to hack the kernel, to try and get more debugging output from it.
22:12:37GodEateryeah I will
22:12:48GodEaterbut it's going to take me a while to work out which bits to hack :)
22:13:11GodEatermy C is going to have to get a lot better
22:14:40GodEaterit's also tougher to get a nice snapshot of the ipl code at work
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22:19:30maxwellWhere to copy these patches?
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22:29:22ZagorI was toying with the idea of giving putting all patches in svn branches instead of/in addition to flyspray. sort of like twiki for patches.
22:29:51Zagorit would allow people to cooperate on big patches more easily
22:31:22dan_aZagor: That sounds pretty good. Can you pull changes from trunk into the branches?
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22:31:48Zagordan_a: yes
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22:32:19sk8hey guys
22:32:23Zagorthe new subversion server can restrict access to specific paths, so patch owners would not be able not modify anything else
22:32:24sk8back again
22:32:51sk8Julius's theme JBlackGlass theme is working he helped me out
22:33:04sk8and no patches needed
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22:33:23dan_aZagor: How about custom build builders - would they be able to pull several branches into one? (Erm... I guess I should RTFM!)
22:33:44sk8dan_a: remember me sk8deamon
22:34:00Zagordan_a: Good question. I don't know.
22:34:09dan_ask8: I do - I'm glad you got it working!
22:34:29dan_aZagor: Can I start the "migrate to git" requests yet?
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22:34:52Zagordan_a: haha
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22:35:09*amiconn_ thinks trying to do the second step before the first isn't wise
22:35:12Mikachui think you should use <insert obscure vcs here>
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22:35:18fasmaieDoes anyone know if runtime data is functional at this time?
22:35:23Mikachuamiconn: you mean ??? before collect underwear?
22:36:10amiconnI mean that there are still numerous scripts and other things to fix due to the svn transition
22:37:15amiconnbuild table: diff links not working, side menu, styles (also for subpages)
22:37:35amiconnfrontpage: since 2.5, last 4 weeks not working
22:37:44pixelmadiff links work again...
22:38:01amiconnStyles in viewvc
22:38:33amiconnTthe ones in the build table don't
22:39:08amiconnOh, and the redirect to the new build table is *ugly*
22:39:21maxwellSorry guys, got another question: how can I enable the display of album artwork? the covers are saved in the tags...
22:39:29Zagoramiconn: haha, since when do you care more for style over substance? ;)
22:39:52amiconnZagor: The ugliyness is related to e.g. load times
22:39:53Mikachumaxwell: you can't!
22:40:25maxwellAnd if i use .jpg files instead?
22:40:41amiconnClick ... "This stuff is now here" ... wait ... build table displays
22:40:52Mikachui think they have to be .bmp, and you still have to use a patched build
22:41:00amiconnAnd no side menu to directly select another section
22:41:30maxwellGot a patched build
22:41:50amiconnThe viewvc bug with author names > 10 chars is also irritating
22:43:24Zagorwell, there is a reason we say the transition is still in progress
22:43:35amiconnyes, sure
22:44:29amiconnMy comment "doing the second step before the first" was related to the branches idea vs. the not even finished transition
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22:52:39webguest46can someone plz help
22:52:50webguest46I cant find out how to add songs with Rockbox on
22:52:59webguest46I wanna listen with rockbox
22:53:03webguest46where i put songs
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22:53:14preglowwebguest46: on the player
22:53:28webguest46do i make a music folder
22:53:33preglowwebguest46: like i said, anywhere
22:53:44preglowwebguest46: preferably not in .rockbox, but hey, if you really want to
22:53:47dan_awebguest46: If you want. Anywhere.
22:54:00preglowas long as you remember where it is
22:54:02preglowi use /Music
22:54:09webguest46thats it?
22:54:12preglowthat's on my ipod at least
22:54:13peturmost do I think
22:54:28preglowon my ordinary, i just stuff music straight on the root, with categories like Rock, Electronic, etc
22:54:36pregloweh, s/ordinary/h120/
22:54:46preglowi think i'd like a h140 now
22:54:49preglowi'm ready to upgrade
22:54:59petur /music/A/Artist/Album/song.mp3 here
22:55:02preglowi've got a feeling i'll miss this thing when it breaks
22:55:14preglow/Genre/Artist/Album here
22:55:42preglowmy nano is small enough that i just put everything straight in /Music
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22:56:44LloreanAlright, Senior Editor at PopSci responded to me, we're gonna see about getting some things fixed for the web version of the article.
22:56:44peturthat reminds me of looking again for that 80GB disk, my 40GB is full :(
22:57:02preglowLlorean: anything up?
22:57:05Lloreanpreglow: Pardon?
22:57:14preglowLlorean: is anything up?
22:57:32preglowwhich article?
22:57:35LloreanWell, there was an article on Rockbox in Popular Science.
22:57:42preglowoh? cool
22:57:46preglowand inaccuracies? :/
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22:57:56LloreanIt had some rather significant errors (pointed to the Archos 2.5 download page, and told people they needed to download both mpegplayer and jpeg viewer)
22:58:09preglowgot an url of some kind for this?
22:58:28LloreanIt's only in the print version at the moment, I think someone scanned it in our forums. Lemme find that
22:58:48peturpreglow: search todayslog for scan00
22:59:20preglowpetur: that yielded what you just said :PP
22:59:22preglowLlorean: thanks
22:59:26LloreanIt's really not that bad, but those last two points about mpeg and jpeg are gonna create a storm of "Where do I download" posts considering how many readers they have.
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22:59:52LloreanHopefully at least getting that fixed before the web version of the article goes up will help a little bit.
23:00:38preglowstill, the publicity is cool
23:01:08LloreanThey have a lot of readers.
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23:02:18webguest46Where are the songs in iTunes put?
23:03:20preglowhaha is obviously the place to be
23:03:39dan_awebguest46: In a hidden folder called iPod_Control\Music
23:03:43Lloreanpreglow: Aye, they said they shortened it to that for space, and felt users could find their way from there.
23:03:44fasmaiewebguest46: uaually in /User/'youruername/Music/iTunes .....or something like that
23:03:53fasmaieusually, even
23:04:12dan_awebguest46: iTunes gives your songs odd names, though
23:04:23preglowLlorean: then i'd rather use plain
23:04:38fasmaiedan_a: Not on the computer
23:04:55fasmaieat least, not i my case
23:05:16linuxstb_Doesn't itunes have an option to not copy files when you import them?
23:05:28dan_afasmaie: I was guessing that webguest46 was talking about on the iPod - based on his/her earlier messages
23:05:36Lloreanpreglow: Well, those links may end up removed entirely, since all of them are for downloading things that don't exist.
23:05:53fasmaiedan_a: sorry about that
23:05:57preglowstill, all good, i'd say
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23:06:11preglowi really wouldn't have expected to see rockbox mentioned in popular science
23:06:14webguest46Can I have a video as a background?
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23:06:15dan_afasmaie: It's OK - I might have been mistaken :D
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23:06:30MadCowHey can somebody help me with a compiling problem?
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23:07:27linuxstb_webguest46: You can have one frame from a video as a background.
23:07:27dan_aMadCow: If it's Rockbox...
23:07:27Lloreanpreglow: I knew it was coming, because one of their fact checkers asked on the forums how much disk a typical install takes up, and mentioned it'd be running in February's issue.
23:07:46preglowLlorean: they have fact checkers, posh!
23:07:46MadCowdan_a: what's that supposed to mean?
23:08:08preglowthat's more than your run-of-the-mill publication does these days :P
23:08:20linuxstb_I guess that means they have lawyers...
23:08:21Lloreanpreglow: I'm kinda hoping they don't pay 'em much. Heh.
23:08:28preglowthough i may be somewhat biased after reading norwegian newspapers
23:08:41dan_aMadCow: If your problem is with compiling Rockbox, then this is an appropriate place to ask, and someone will help you (me if I know how)
23:08:46MadCowoh OK
23:08:59webguest46Is it possible to add a normal game to Rockbox?
23:09:04webguest46Like Stepmania
23:09:04preglowwebguest46: normal?
23:09:17preglowwell, sure, just fire up your editor and start coding
23:09:18webguest46Something that isnt .rock but you change it to
23:09:24linuxstb_Rockbox can't run WIndows applications, if that's what you mean.
23:09:34*n1s loves that people are actualy submitting patches for the manual :-)
23:09:39preglown1s: i love it
23:09:45webguest46Then can you customize the keyboard?
23:09:54MadCowI built a Gigabeat sim and compiled a normal build perfectly, but whenever I try to run a plugin with it it gives me an "Invalid ELF header"error
23:10:01Lloreann1s: I love the ones that are like "Here, I made this game work on this target and update the manual for it too"
23:10:08LloreanPatches that aren't specifically too the manual, but include it.
23:10:11preglown1s: it tickles me greatly that converting the manual to latex worked as intended
23:10:19n1syeah those are nice
23:10:33Mikachuwhat was it before?
23:10:42preglowopenoffice, afaik
23:10:46n1spreglow: indeed
23:12:54DataGhostlinuxstb_ you might want to go to the ipl channel
23:12:59DataGhostI just got ipl working on a 5.5G 80GB
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23:13:10DataGhostthx :)
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23:13:43bluebrotherso ... the interesting question is: what was the problem?
23:13:48dan_aDataGhost: Is it 100% working? The picture on the thread looks like it's booting but not working properly
23:13:58DataGhostthere is another picture?
23:14:03DataGhostthat's settings -> about
23:14:08DataGhostit doesnt see my music partition yet
23:14:14DataGhostbut I only changed the starting sector
23:14:18DataGhostnot the ending sector
23:14:22DataGhostmaybe it thinks it's invalid
23:14:28DataGhostbut I've got podzilla working :)
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23:15:17linuxstb_DataGhost: So after all this time, IPL's ATA driver works fine?
23:15:27MadCowjust in case nobody saw what I wrote before:
23:15:27DataGhostI guess so, yes
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23:15:28MadCowI built a Gigabeat sim and compiled a normal build perfectly, but whenever I try to run a plugin with it it gives me an "Invalid ELF header"error
23:15:41MadCowwhat the hell does "Invalid ELF Header" mean?
23:15:45DataGhostI'm using a kernel snapshot from a few days ago linuxstb_
23:16:01LloreanMadCow: It means exactly what it says... the ELF Header is invalid (or absent but expected to be there)
23:16:06DataGhosti'll put that in my post too
23:16:10linuxstb_MadCow: Did you copy the plugins from a normal build into the sim?
23:16:42linuxstb_Delete them, and type "make install" in your sim build directory instead.
23:16:52MadCowOK thanks
23:17:05MadCowI thought that sim and normal build were interchangable
23:17:25peturnah... different cpu ;)
23:17:28linuxstb_Far from it. The sim is compiled to run on your PC (e.g. x86), and the normal build runs on the target (e.g. ARM)
23:17:54*bluebrother just reads barrywardell commited a patch to cvs ;-)
23:17:54linuxstb_Plus all the other differences... It's a simulator, not an emulator.
23:18:14MadCowI know, I wasn't thinking
23:18:26MadCowwell now it works, thanks
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23:20:58linuxstb_DataGhost: The IPL kernel very rarely changes, so I'm sure older versions would work fine as well.
23:21:19DataGhostwell ok
23:21:28DataGhostbut I just put it in there if at all relevant :)
23:21:58LinusNDataGhost: your screenshots show plenty ot ATA errors
23:22:15DataGhosthm? the old ones I guess :)
23:22:24DataGhostthat was before I changed the partition table
23:22:25debauched_slot1MadCow: this is running the Sim or running GB plugins on the GB?
23:22:27LloreanLinusN: I'd say the fact that iPL got loaded at all is a good sign considering we couldn't even access the disk in the pass.
23:22:48DataGhostthat first screeny was without any userland LinusN
23:23:01DataGhostand the error I see on there was before it read the partitiontable I guess
23:23:13LinusNi mean these shots:
23:23:20DataGhostoh, those are not mine :)
23:23:24DataGhostand I got them too, yes
23:23:32DataGhostwith the old partitiontable
23:23:46DataGhostwith 32120 instead of 128520
23:23:51DataGhostas starting sector
23:24:13LinusNso you can read the partition table?
23:25:15LinusNwe didn't even get that far
23:26:19webguest46How do I listen to the songs in my iPod using Rockbox?
23:26:32LinusNwebguest46: with your headphones :-P
23:26:40Lloreanwebguest46: By one of the many ways described in the manual.
23:26:56linuxstb_Or the IpodFAQ wiki page.
23:27:05webguest46 cant find in the manual
23:27:05LloreanThat's a handy page too, yes.
23:27:10webguest46and they are so hard to understand
23:27:25Lloreanwebguest46: Since we wrote the manual, do you think we'll be any easier to understand?
23:28:01LloreanI'm afraid I'm going to have to question whatever logical progression took you to that point.
23:28:02*bluebrother just reads VirtualBox to become open source
23:28:20Lloreanwebguest46: If you can't find it in the manual, how do you know that those instructions are hard to understand?
23:28:22webguest46k I put a folder called music on the top of my ipod and with music inside
23:28:22dan_awebguest46: Can you tell us *what* in the manual is hard to understand, so that we can make it better?
23:28:32bluebrothermaybe that would be a nice thing like the vmware image
23:28:38webguest46Where is it?
23:28:46Lloreanwebguest46: Have you looked at the index?
23:28:55LloreanIn the manual...
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23:29:01webguest46I mean in my iPod
23:29:05bluebrothertheres a prominent link on the left side of the website
23:29:06Bagderweirdly enough, it is called 'manual' in the menu of the web site
23:29:27bluebrotherwhy should it be on your ipod if you haven't downloaded it?
23:29:45Lloreanwebguest46: I thought you knew where the manual was. You said it was confusing.
23:30:42webguest46.... If I put the songs in a folder called Music on the top of my iPod where are they when I turn on Rockbox?
23:30:57Lloreanwebguest46: Rockbox doesn't move them, they're still there.
23:31:09webguest46Then how will I listen to them?
23:31:21Lloreanwebguest46: Read. The. Manual.
23:31:25bluebrotherby seleting a file and pressing "select"
23:31:25linuxstb_The first screen you see in Rockbox (unless you've changed a setting) is the file browser. You just browse to a file and select it.
23:31:50linuxstb_Rockbox will then play all the files in that folder, starting with the one ou selected.
23:31:52*bluebrother remembers that great golden quote by Bagder some days ago ...
23:32:10webguest46At least SOME of the staff memberes are useful.
23:32:21Lloreanwebguest46: Why do you outright refuse to read the manual?
23:32:21MrRocksI have just one question, not to bug you too much
23:32:27webguest46I already did
23:32:30webguest46I just can find it
23:32:45Lloreanwebguest46: So, did you look at the table of contents?
23:32:46webguest46Tons of times
23:32:52MrRocksIs there work being done to port rockbox to the 2nd Gen ipod?
23:32:52w1ll14mis it possible to use the audio out as an alternative for headphone jack (can adjust volume like normal jack)
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23:32:58Lloreanwebguest46: Specifically, what about chapter 4's title suggested it WASN'T about how to play music?
23:33:04linuxstb_MrRocks: Assuming you mean the 2nd Generation Nano, No.
23:33:20webguest46I didnt understand it
23:33:31Lloreanwebguest46: You said you couldn't find it.
23:33:37LloreanNow you say you didn't understand it.
23:33:52MrRockslinuxstb: Yes, I meant that. Thanks. :(
23:33:55webguest46I read it.
23:33:58LloreanI'm a little confused.
23:34:02LloreanWhat couldn't you find then?
23:34:12dan_awebguest46: Can you tell us what was hard to understand, and now that you know what to do how we could have written it clearer?
23:34:14webguest46I read it but if I couldnt understand it then how could I be sure it was what I needed ?
23:34:32bluebrotherI don't understand this problem.
23:34:38webguest46The Manual can use more examples
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23:35:16w1ll14mLlorean: is it possible to use dock connector audio out as an alternative for headphone jack so you can adjust the volume the same way as headphone jack ?
23:35:33Zer0does anyone know wut formats of music are supported for rockbox
23:35:45Bagderwut formats?
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23:35:51Bagderit mainly plays music formats
23:36:03Zer0stuff like taht
23:36:07Zer0.wma doesnt work
23:36:09Lloreanw1ll14m: With a few source code changes, yes.
23:36:19davidsmindwhat DB settings are optimal for the Iriver h10 20gig?
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23:36:28BagderZer0: read the SoundCodecs wiki page for all the details
23:36:40davidsminddoes load to ram stop all hard drive based caching?
23:36:43Lloreandavidsmind: Depends greatly on how you use it. Whether you want it in RAM or not depends on how much you browse.
23:36:51Zer0Badger: got a link please
23:36:54davidsmindlots of files, it's gonna be full
23:37:01davidsmind20 gigs worth of oggs
23:37:06Bagderno I don't, you can get it as easy as I can
23:37:20davidsmindsome browsing
23:37:22scorcheZer0: go to the wiki, and then type SoundCodecs in the box at the isnt hard
23:37:25Lloreandavidsmind: "How much you browse" as in "How often you move around the database view"
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23:37:32davidsmindLlorean: a lot
23:37:39Lloreandavidsmind: You should do it in RAM then
23:37:53davidsmindwill that NOT load into the hd?
23:38:00w1ll14mLlorean: can you give me some hints i should look for ?
23:38:08Lloreanw1ll14m: I honestly have no clue.
23:38:17w1ll14mLlorean: to bad :) thanx anyway ;)
23:38:37Lloreandavidsmind: It still gets stored on the HD, but when Rockbox is running it stays in RAM so the disk doesn't need to spin up for you to be able to browse.
23:39:30davidsmindHow long does DB initialization take usually? These are probably questions that should be in the h10 faq...
23:39:39davidsmindfor 300+ files
23:40:18davidsmindhrmm...I don't think this is working. It's been over 3 minutes now, and it still says db not ready
23:40:24Lloreandavidsmind: Nobody's timed it reliably yet.
23:40:30LloreanYou shouldn't be trying to use it while it's initializing
23:40:37Zer0no results found
23:40:39davidsmindis there a way to get a progress meter
23:40:45Lloreandavidsmind: When disk activity stops.
23:40:52LloreanAnd you do have to shut down and start up afterward.
23:41:08Zer0SoundCodecs yealds no results
23:41:13scorcheZer0: we included the capitalization the way we did for a reason
23:41:24BagderSoundCodecs is there
23:41:30Zer0got it
23:41:32davidsmind[14:40] <Llorean> And you do have to shut down and start up afterward.
23:41:34Zer0tried google
23:41:46davidsmindbut only after initilization
23:41:52Lloreandavidsmind: Yes, initialization must complete.
23:41:53scorchewhy didnt you just do what i said?
23:42:12davidsmindbut then updating doesn't require a reboot right?
23:42:55Lloreandavidsmind: I don't really know any more, honestly
23:46:21w1ll14mI'm gonna sleep :) cya later guys
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23:52:44scorcheBagder: i have some free does one go about building mi4code into a windows binary?
23:53:57scorcheas in, is there an option for gcc or something?
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