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00:05:36 | Juice^ | anyone here running linux and using a sansa player? |
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00:11:49 | nixphoeni | Juice^: me |
00:11:57 | dan_a | Juice^: I have been known to do both those things |
00:12:38 | * | amiconn is really puzzled about DataGhost's success |
00:12:42 | DataGhost | :) |
00:12:48 | DataGhost | so am I |
00:12:53 | DataGhost | it's still not seeing my fat32 partition though |
00:13:00 | DataGhost | but apparently that's the same with more winpod users |
00:13:09 | LinusN | DataGhost: you didn't answer my question |
00:13:10 | DataGhost | exactly the same error |
00:13:12 | nixphoeni | dan_a: will you be here in a few hours? i might have some questions on the e200 target |
00:13:12 | amiconn | If it were just the factor of 4 due to the sector size, it should work on either both the 30GB and 80GB, or on none of them |
00:13:14 | DataGhost | oh sorry, what question |
00:13:29 | LinusN | can you read the partition table without errors? |
00:13:30 | DataGhost | well amiconn but the 80GB also has another controller, right? |
00:13:44 | DataGhost | from.. linux? |
00:13:44 | amiconn | Thing is, rockbox runs fine on the 30GB 5.5GB, but cannot read any sector on the 80GB |
00:13:47 | dan_a | nixphoeni: I'll be here for the next 45 mins |
00:13:47 | DataGhost | I guess so, since it's seeing every partition |
00:13:58 | DataGhost | and when I define a startingsector which is not valid for a partition |
00:14:01 | DataGhost | it complains |
00:14:14 | DataGhost | now it says it cant find fat32 at sector 257044 |
00:14:23 | DataGhost | which I just defined in my partitiontable |
00:14:24 | LinusN | we haven't even coma as far as reading sector 0 without errors |
00:14:25 | amiconn | DataGhost: Afaik it can't have a different controller unless it has a different PP version. The ata controller is built into the PP chip |
00:14:33 | amiconn | And we can read the identify data |
00:14:34 | DataGhost | oh |
00:14:44 | DataGhost | well LinusN |
00:14:49 | DataGhost | that's the loader you're talking about? |
00:14:52 | LinusN | yes |
00:14:55 | DataGhost | i'm running linux without any loader now |
00:15:14 | linuxstb_ | It's simply that no-one has tried running the IPL kernel before... |
00:15:17 | DataGhost | so linux can read it but the loader can't |
00:15:18 | amiconn | Rockbox loader and main rockbox use the exact same ata & filesystem driver |
00:15:37 | linuxstb_ | AFAIK, previous tests were using loader2, which isn't using the kernel's ATA driver. |
00:15:47 | amiconn | What does it use then? |
00:15:53 | DataGhost | the only thing is.. it CAN find my ext3 partition at sector x*4 |
00:16:05 | DataGhost | it CAN'T find my fat32 partition at sector y*4 |
00:16:12 | linuxstb_ | loader2 was written from scratch, I don't know where the various drivers came from (if anywhere). |
00:16:15 | DataGhost | and over USB i can find them both at sector x and y |
00:16:16 | * | amiconn wonders what special magic the ipl kernel might do, ata wise |
00:16:26 | DataGhost | amiconn probably ata-7 support |
00:16:47 | amiconn | ata-7 is supposed to be backwards compatible |
00:17:17 | * | amiconn tries to navigate the ipl homepage, without much success :/ |
00:17:24 | linuxstb_ | This pages gives the kernel source: http://ipodlinux.org/Kernel_Building |
00:17:36 | DataGhost | but apple isn't required to make compatible stuff, right amiconn? :) |
00:17:45 | amiconn | I was searching for irc logs, couldn't find 'em... |
00:17:56 | LinusN | apple didn't manufacture the toshiba hard drive |
00:17:59 | DataGhost | oh ipl homepage is having load-60+-problems |
00:18:21 | amiconn | DataGhost: Does ipl work on the 30GB G5.5? |
00:18:29 | DataGhost | I don't know |
00:18:30 | preglow | linuxstb_: i think the loader2 drivers are written from scratch |
00:18:32 | DataGhost | I only have the 80GB |
00:18:39 | DataGhost | according to the wiki it should work on 30GB |
00:18:43 | DataGhost | with loader even |
00:18:53 | DataGhost | on the 80GB, the only thing i can load with the loader is appleos |
00:18:58 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ (IRC logs) |
00:19:52 | linuxstb_ | AFAIK, IPL boots on a HFS formatted 5.5G, but they haven't adapted the kernel for the "illegal" DOS partition table (HFS ipods use an Apple Partition Map). |
00:20:07 | DataGhost | I have a winpod fyi |
00:20:23 | linuxstb_ | But loader2 (and the Rockbox bootloader) only work on the 30GB due to the same ATA issues Rockbox has. |
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00:21:47 | amiconn | Hmm, so I guess ipl has problems with the special fat32 partition, and it probably doesn't work on a 30GB/FAT32 G5.5 either |
00:22:11 | linuxstb_ | loader2 has been fixed for the 30GB/FAT32, but yes, the kernel has the same problem. |
00:22:14 | amiconn | Advantage rockbox on that one ;) |
00:22:31 | DataGhost | but how is the fat32 partition 'special'? |
00:22:34 | amiconn | But the (desktop) linux kernel does handle such partitions... |
00:22:37 | linuxstb_ | It's just annoying no-one did this 3 months ago... |
00:22:42 | DataGhost | hehe |
00:23:10 | linuxstb_ | The IPL devs claimed the disk controller was different, and didn't even attempt to boot their own kernel... |
00:23:22 | preglow | hahaha |
00:23:28 | preglow | impressive |
00:24:03 | amiconn | blargh |
00:24:17 | amiconn | This linux source is really hard to follow |
00:24:21 | preglow | yes it is |
00:24:34 | * | linuxstb_ looks towards Bagder, our resident kernel hacker. |
00:25:46 | Juice^ | dan_a: ok great.. im using ubuntu now, and trying to get my player working with amarok, any experience there? |
00:25:49 | * | amiconn doesn't have a clue where to look in the tree |
00:26:35 | linuxstb_ | drivers/ide/ide-disk.c has something... |
00:27:06 | linuxstb_ | Plus ide.c in the same place. |
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00:27:27 | * | amiconn doesn't see ide-disk.c |
00:27:37 | LinusN | i guess i'll have to assemble my ipod 80gb again and start hacking |
00:27:48 | dan_a | Juice^: Sorry, I don't - I just use 'mv' or 'cp' to get music onto the player, and play it either straight from the Sansa or from the original file |
00:28:04 | linuxstb_ | I'm looking in linux-2.4.24/drivers/ids/ |
00:28:08 | * | Soap bought the big drive so he didn't have to sync. |
00:28:09 | linuxstb_ | ^ide/ |
00:28:09 | LinusN | i'm currently drawing the pcb for my logic analyzer adapter board :-) |
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00:28:21 | Juice^ | dan_a: i see, you're a console man :) |
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00:29:10 | dan_a | Juice^: I used KDE until my graphics card started being weird |
00:29:20 | * | amiconn wonders where linuxstb sees that |
00:29:32 | amiconn | I am browsing here: http://ipodlinux.cvs.sourceforge.net/ipodlinux/linux/drivers/ |
00:29:34 | thegeek_ | LinusN: you got the h120? |
00:29:45 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: No, that's just the IPL patches to the kernel. |
00:29:58 | LinusN | thegeek_: yes, i tried to tell you the other day, but you must have missed it |
00:29:59 | linuxstb_ | Which are almost zero for ide. |
00:30:12 | thegeek_ | ah |
00:30:12 | LinusN | thegeek_: thanks a lot |
00:30:13 | thegeek_ | ok:) |
00:30:14 | thegeek_ | np |
00:30:27 | thegeek_ | just wanted to make sure it got there;) |
00:30:51 | linuxstb_ | The Kernel_Building wiki page I linked to describes how to create a source tree - it's a mixture of the standard kernel, then uclinux patches, then the ipl patches... |
00:31:09 | amiconn | urgh |
00:31:29 | * | amiconn thought there was some kind of online browsing via viewcvs/viewvc |
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00:33:10 | LinusN | amiconn: do you remember if godeater removed the call to check_registers() last time he tried? |
00:33:53 | * | amiconn is now browsing the git repository on kernel.org |
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00:34:34 | amiconn | LinusN: umm, no idea |
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00:36:30 | LinusN | amiconn: the check_registers() function might have screwed up the lba48 mechanism |
00:36:50 | amiconn | oh? |
00:36:52 | LinusN | leading to the IDNF error |
00:38:06 | LinusN | i gotta go to bed |
00:38:10 | LinusN | nite folks |
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00:39:12 | preglow | thegeek_: it's about time we got speex commited now |
00:39:17 | preglow | thegeek_: anything new on that front? |
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00:40:12 | Juice^ | dan_a: im trying to extract the rockbox.zip within gnome.. but the .rockbox folder is somehow hidden, any idea how to show it? |
00:40:31 | thegeek_ | preglow: huh? |
00:41:48 | preglow | forget that |
00:41:50 | dan_a | Juice^: None, sorry... traditionally Unix hides all files and directories which start with a dot. There should be an option somewhere in Gnome to show all files |
00:41:54 | preglow | for some reason i thought you were freqmod |
00:42:00 | preglow | gotta start reading nicks |
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00:42:21 | Zagor | Juice^: try "show all files" in the View menu (assuming you are using file-roller) |
00:42:32 | Juice^ | show hidden files worked :D |
00:42:34 | Juice^ | thanks |
00:43:00 | thegeek_ | ;P |
00:45:30 | Juice^ | nice i love jewels on my e200. thank you Tom Ross! |
00:45:45 | Juice^ | :)) |
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00:47:10 | MadCow | is the flyspray account creation broken? |
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00:49:39 | Juice^ | oh my... rockblox is nice too |
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00:57:59 | Soap | how do I /know/ when a full "make" is in order, and when I can't shortcut with "make bin"? |
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00:58:55 | Soap | I ASSume from what I have read that I can safely make bin up until I see any SVN commit which touches the pluggin / codec (?) code? |
00:59:56 | Soap | a full make isn't a horrible thing, but it does take a fair amount of time on my slow machine. |
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01:02:37 | Juice^ | is it just to put a .gb rom in the viewer folder where the rockboy is located? |
01:02:57 | linuxstb_ | You can put it anyway. |
01:03:22 | Juice^ | ok |
01:03:24 | linuxstb_ | And then just select it like a music file. |
01:03:34 | Juice^ | ah. thats nice |
01:04:00 | dan_a | Soap: Have you got ccache on your machine? It makes a noticable difference |
01:07:24 | n1s | Soap: I'd say make bin untill plugins stop working ;-) |
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01:08:07 | webguest14 | hello people |
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01:08:24 | HTD | Hello |
01:08:33 | webguest14 | I have a question on the plugin zxbox, can anyone help me on that? |
01:09:43 | HTD | I have a quick question reguarding the H10 20GB version of rockbox. On the original firmware you were able to listen to the radio. If I install the rockbox firmware will I still be able to use the radio function? |
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01:09:54 | webguest14 | No, you will not |
01:10:02 | HTD | i see thank you |
01:10:02 | webguest14 | Well, technically you can |
01:10:09 | HTD | if i go back ? |
01:10:13 | webguest14 | if you boot into the original firmware |
01:10:29 | webguest14 | well, with rockbox there is a dual bootloader, meaning you can switch to the original firmware |
01:10:39 | webguest14 | while still having rockbox on there |
01:10:46 | HTD | oh cool how do I do that? |
01:10:48 | webguest14 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50074 |
01:10:53 | HTD | thank you |
01:10:56 | webguest14 | there is a thread that tells you step by step |
01:11:02 | webguest14 | sure :-) |
01:12:03 | pixelma | webguest14: as long as we don't know the question... ;) |
01:12:11 | Soap | dan_a: ? |
01:12:52 | dan_a | Soap: ! |
01:13:08 | Soap | I'm reading about it now. |
01:13:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
01:13:26 | Soap | Didn't know such a thing even existed. Anything to help my sub 500mhz machines! |
01:13:37 | webguest14 | ha, ok well i'm having a problem with zxbox on my iriver h10 20 gig |
01:14:07 | webguest14 | the .tzx and .tap files load and go till about 40% or something like that, and then it freezes |
01:14:20 | webguest14 | has anyone had any success playing games using zxbox? |
01:15:19 | dan_a | Can someone revert the commit that added mazezam? It's too addictive... |
01:15:37 | Genre9mp3 | dan_a: haha |
01:15:43 | webguest14 | dan_a: I can't even get passed the 2nd level haha |
01:16:47 | Soap | webguest14: I've never used zxbox myself, but in the forum thread for it, If I Recall Correctly, there was a discussion which included both ROMs which didn't work and ROMs which did work. I suggest trying one of the "known good" ROMs to see if the problem is with your choice of ROMs or in the pluggin itself. |
01:17:06 | linuxstb_ | I think zxbox only works with 48K Spectrum games. |
01:17:24 | pixelma | heh... beat me |
01:17:25 | webguest14 | Yes, I downloaded about 3 of them off the site itself |
01:17:35 | webguest14 | All with the same problem |
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01:19:57 | linuxstb_ | webguest14: Are you downloading 48K versions? |
01:20:06 | webguest14 | Anybody making any new wps's for H10 20 GB? :-) |
01:20:51 | webguest14 | umm, I believe so |
01:20:57 | webguest14 | how can I check? |
01:21:30 | linuxstb_ | The download links should say. Or if they are .sna files, how big are they? |
01:21:40 | pixelma | webguest14: you can use the X5's wps too (because the display has the same resolution like the 20GB H10) |
01:21:59 | webguest14 | yes, thats all the ones I've been using@pixel, but i'd like more :-) |
01:22:17 | webguest14 | linuxstb_: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/games/index.html |
01:22:40 | webguest14 | thats the site i've been using and they are .tap files |
01:22:51 | webguest14 | around 700 KB for each file |
01:23:53 | linuxstb_ | That website tells you if the games are for the 48KB or 128KB Spectrum. |
01:24:20 | pixelma | the actual links on the site have a "48k" or a "128k" icon ... |
01:24:29 | * | pixelma types too slow |
01:24:38 | webguest14 | oh, I see it now |
01:24:47 | webguest14 | thanks, but what sucks is that I can't download off ftp's haha |
01:24:57 | webguest14 | due to my norton internet security that I can't disable |
01:25:09 | webguest14 | so I had someone re-upload it for me to download |
01:25:22 | webguest14 | someone want to do that for me ;-) |
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01:25:45 | Kayasha | cool, hello |
01:26:24 | Kayasha | could someone possibly help me ? |
01:26:45 | webguest14 | Yes, tell me what you need |
01:28:15 | Soap | all of a sudden I get the devilish idea of registering all the "webguestNN" nicks. |
01:28:30 | Kayasha | ok, for rockbox, i followed the instalation and i get error -1 |
01:28:43 | Soap | that means you skipped instruction 2.2.2 I believe it is. |
01:29:16 | Soap | you did not extract a .zip file containing the rockbox.<target> file and .rockbox folder to the root of your device. |
01:29:40 | Kayasha | i did |
01:29:50 | Kayasha | the 5gb/6gb one |
01:29:54 | Soap | "rockbox error -1" means you didn't. |
01:30:00 | Kayasha | umm |
01:30:16 | Kayasha | i have my .rockbox in my root file of iriver |
01:30:23 | Soap | do you have BOTH the .rockbox folder and rockbox.iriver file in the root of your player? |
01:30:23 | webguest14 | linuxstb_: I downloaded paperboy, which is 48K, and it still doesn't work :P |
01:30:32 | Kayasha | i got have the iriver one |
01:30:36 | Kayasha | don't* |
01:30:45 | webguest14 | no... its called rockbox.h10 |
01:30:53 | Soap | my bad, thanks. |
01:30:55 | webguest14 | thats the file, do you have that in your directory |
01:30:58 | Soap | rockbox.h10 then. |
01:31:04 | Kayasha | wait |
01:31:18 | webguest14 | *waits* |
01:31:33 | Kayasha | that file is in system righ now |
01:31:58 | Soap | I don't grok? |
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01:32:15 | Kayasha | grok? |
01:32:22 | Soap | I don't understand. |
01:32:45 | Kayasha | the rockbox.h10 is in the file System in my iriver |
01:32:55 | linuxstb_ | Not the root folder? |
01:33:12 | Kayasha | not in the root folder |
01:33:22 | linuxstb_ | There you go then. |
01:33:25 | webguest14 | you need to put it in the root folder |
01:33:33 | Kayasha | ok there it is |
01:33:42 | Kayasha | so now it should work |
01:34:05 | Soap | now it will work. |
01:34:05 | webguest14 | yes it should, unless you made another mistake |
01:34:08 | Kayasha | ok wait omg |
01:34:17 | webguest14 | *waits again* |
01:34:31 | Soap | if he is getting the -1 error he has the bootloader installed, he made no other mistake. |
01:34:33 | Kayasha | i got text and rockbox |
01:34:47 | Kayasha | i love yu omg Ty Ty TY |
01:34:55 | Soap | now you are viewing the filebrowser of your root directory. |
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01:35:09 | Kayasha | i got no music because i formated it for recovery |
01:35:24 | Kayasha | so for theme/wps? |
01:35:38 | webguest14 | you need to press the power button and then go to browse themes |
01:36:06 | Kayasha | i meant how to iput one |
01:36:11 | Kayasha | i downloaded one |
01:36:58 | webguest14 | If you want more to download you can go here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Wpsiriverh105Gb |
01:37:01 | webguest14 | oh |
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01:37:32 | webguest14 | well you go drag and drop those 2 or 3 or 4 folders that are inside that zip file onto the .rockbox file |
01:37:42 | _MatZ_ | hi |
01:37:44 | webguest14 | and then if it says replace, then just say yes to all |
01:37:48 | webguest14 | hello |
01:37:51 | Kayasha | ok doing it |
01:38:02 | Kayasha | testng |
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01:38:18 | Kayasha | still the sameblueish one |
01:39:41 | Kayasha | omg wait, let me put music in it |
01:39:53 | Kayasha | and one last question...... sorry fr games |
01:40:25 | Kayasha | for* |
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01:42:48 | Kayasha | webguest14? |
01:43:14 | Kayasha | or soap? |
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01:43:23 | hc1 | hi |
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01:43:27 | Kayasha | hi |
01:43:54 | webguest14 | yea |
01:44:11 | webguest14 | to get to the games you press power once and go to browse plugins |
01:44:12 | Kayasha | for games, i heard you can play, like doom |
01:44:29 | Kayasha | allready in rockbox? |
01:44:37 | webguest14 | well doom isn't |
01:44:45 | webguest14 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
01:44:47 | Kayasha | ook the rest is on |
01:44:54 | webguest14 | read that and it'll tell you how to put it on there |
01:45:00 | Kayasha | ook |
01:45:09 | webguest14 | also pacbox, which is pacman won't work either |
01:45:38 | Kayasha | how developped rockbox? |
01:45:39 | webguest14 | also, it'll be a good idea to read the manual located here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-build.html |
01:45:43 | Kayasha | who* |
01:45:49 | webguest14 | a lot of people |
01:45:52 | Kayasha | ook |
01:46:04 | webguest14 | or here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf.pdf |
01:46:04 | Kayasha | they are really nice to put that on th web |
01:46:10 | webguest14 | yes indeed |
01:46:27 | webguest14 | if you have any more questions, they should be able to be answered in the manual |
01:46:40 | Kayasha | ook |
01:46:41 | Kayasha | Ty so much |
01:47:40 | webguest14 | sure |
01:47:54 | webguest14 | oops |
01:47:59 | webguest14 | I gave you the wrong pdf file |
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01:48:12 | | Part n1s |
01:48:14 | webguest14 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb.pdf |
01:48:18 | webguest14 | theres the right one |
01:48:32 | Kayasha | cool ty' |
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01:49:10 | webguest14 | sure |
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02:01:50 | webguest14 | I'm leaving, bye people |
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02:02:24 | bonbonthejon | Kayasha: do you know about svn? I need some help |
02:02:59 | linuxstb | bonbonthejon: What's the problem? |
02:03:07 | Kayasha | sry im new |
02:03:13 | Kayasha | i can't help you |
02:03:38 | bonbonthejon | linuxstb: I just PMed you |
02:03:50 | linuxstb | Best to ask here - if I can't help, maybe someone else can. |
02:04:54 | bonbonthejon | linuxstb: its not about rockbox, but svn in general. I'm trying to set up a svn server, and I can't get the repository to have multiple folders deep, is it possible |
02:05:06 | linuxstb | In which case I can't help. |
02:05:12 | bonbonthejon | ok |
02:05:22 | linuxstb | And this isn't the place to ask about setting up svn servers... |
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02:05:56 | bonbonthejon | linuxstb: I know. I knew rockbox used svn, so I hoped someone could help set it up |
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02:07:03 | webguest23 | Hi...can anyone helpme install rockbox on my gigabeat f40 |
02:07:45 | webguest23 | have loaded all files ...i think to the right places...but no change when I turn off and restart the unit |
02:08:16 | toffe | you have to switch off/on the battery |
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02:08:49 | peanutb | does it work on the i audio M5? |
02:09:28 | webguest23 | thanks heaps toffeu rock |
02:09:45 | toffe | does it works ? |
02:09:46 | linuxstb | penutb: No. |
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02:10:11 | webguest23 | yes toffe it works |
02:10:18 | toffe | ok ;) |
02:10:31 | peanutb | i dont think there is much of a difference between the m5 and x5. is there? |
02:11:04 | Hitman1618 | Can someone help me with the Doom wad. I put the files into the .rockbox/doom directory, and it still says ' missing base.wad' The files I put it are; doom1.wad doom2.wad and rockdoom.wad |
02:12:17 | Kayasha | weird i just did it and it worj |
02:12:32 | Kayasha | you need to put doom.wad and doom1(shareware) one to |
02:12:34 | linuxstb | penutb: We don't think. It's just that no-one has tried to get Rockbox working on the m5. |
02:12:48 | linuxstb | I mean "We don't think so"... |
02:12:54 | Hitman1618 | where can I get those |
02:13:07 | Kayasha | on the rockbox wait |
02:13:12 | Kayasha | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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02:13:59 | Hitman1618 | the Doom sharewear one, (the first one you can download, is already thier, under Doom1.wad |
02:14:12 | Kayasha | that one |
02:14:35 | Hitman1618 | i have it thier, and its not working, the one you said I need, just doom.wad, I dont have |
02:14:48 | Kayasha | both |
02:14:56 | Kayasha | doom.wad and doom1 |
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02:15:14 | Hitman1618 | where can I get doom.wad then? |
02:15:19 | Kayasha | you need rockdoom.wad sorry |
02:15:27 | Hitman1618 | i have that in thier aswell |
02:15:36 | Kayasha | sorry them |
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02:15:46 | peanutb | i guess ill try then |
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02:15:55 | Hitman1618 | should I take out Doom2.wad? |
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02:15:56 | Kayasha | delete and recopy it |
02:16:28 | Kayasha | anyways i need to go |
02:16:33 | Kayasha | hope ihelped a bit |
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02:16:56 | Hitman1618 | to start doom, you just goto Plugins>Doom correct? |
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02:23:06 | webguest29 | Hello |
02:23:11 | webguest29 | Can someone help me? |
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02:24:12 | webguest29 | I saw a guide on adding roms to your Rockbox iPod.. I lost it, does anyone know how to do it? |
02:24:36 | midgey | as in gameboy roms? |
02:24:46 | webguest29 | Yes |
02:25:03 | webguest29 | GBC |
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02:25:47 | webguest29 | Anyone? |
02:26:03 | midgey | find some gbc roms from a site online (can't tell you where) and place them anywhere on your ipod |
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02:26:17 | midgey | then "play" them just like you would a song |
02:26:31 | midgey | rockboy should load up the rom and start playing |
02:26:42 | pixelma | you can find a guide somewhere in here... http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml :D |
02:27:05 | webguest29 | It says model not supported |
02:27:33 | pixelma | what Ipod? |
02:27:34 | midgey | what type of ipod do you have? |
02:27:39 | webguest29 | 5g |
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02:28:14 | webguest29 | Video... |
02:28:38 | midgey | hmm, rockboy should work on the 5g |
02:28:41 | midgey | ill check the sim |
02:28:51 | webguest29 | I can play other games but not the roms |
02:28:57 | webguest29 | I also changed the to .rock |
02:29:01 | webguest29 | them |
02:29:06 | webguest29 | instead of .gbc |
02:29:10 | midgey | oh |
02:29:13 | midgey | dont do that |
02:29:17 | webguest29 | =.= |
02:29:23 | midgey | just leave them as .gbc or .gb |
02:29:34 | webguest29 | So then they will work? |
02:29:41 | midgey | rockboy will open automatically with a gb or gbc file |
02:29:48 | webguest29 | oh o.0 |
02:29:51 | webguest29 | So |
02:29:56 | webguest29 | I can add any Gbc file? |
02:30:01 | webguest29 | As long as its gbc? |
02:30:19 | midgey | assuming its a valid game boy color rom, yes it should work |
02:30:34 | webguest29 | What are the controls for Pokemon =p |
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02:31:02 | midgey | check the manual for the 5g |
02:31:06 | midgey | and go to rockboy |
02:31:13 | midgey | the controls should be listed |
02:32:25 | midgey | actually scratch that, the 5g manual doesn't |
02:32:29 | midgey | that should be fixed |
02:32:53 | midgey | ipods use scroll position in rockboy |
02:33:28 | midgey | i think placing your finger on diagonal right (between menu and >>|) is A |
02:33:56 | webguest29 | man |
02:34:03 | webguest29 | rhis is so gay |
02:34:12 | webguest29 | My ipod wont go ino disk |
02:34:21 | webguest29 | It says I need to reformatt |
02:34:24 | webguest29 | =.= |
02:34:43 | webguest29 | Should i? |
02:35:08 | midgey | can't say im terribly familiar with ipods, sorry |
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03:02:46 | webguest37 | I have a problem installing roms into my iPod.. They don't show up! |
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03:03:05 | webguest37 | I put some pokemon roms .gbc into my ipod rocks folder |
03:03:15 | webguest37 | Then when I look at em it doesnt show up on screen |
03:03:40 | midgey | the roms are in .rockbox/rocks ? |
03:03:48 | webguest37 | yes |
03:03:58 | midgey | thats a hidden folder by default |
03:04:10 | midgey | change your viewmode to all |
03:04:11 | webguest37 | oh |
03:04:14 | webguest37 | okay |
03:04:19 | midgey | and go to .rockbox/rocks |
03:04:20 | webguest37 | So thats in general settings? |
03:04:33 | midgey | or just move them into another folder |
03:05:06 | webguest37 | can I acess them through the thing in the beginning |
03:05:28 | webguest37 | Oh |
03:05:29 | webguest37 | k |
03:05:31 | webguest37 | Thanks a lot |
03:10:05 | Soap | that "thing in the begining", webguest37, is a file browser, just like Windows explorer. |
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03:12:38 | Plouj- | hi |
03:12:48 | Plouj- | what's the filename for international iRiver h320 firmware? |
03:13:23 | Plouj- | I only see 1.28k, 1.28eu, 1.29k, 1.30eu, and 1.29j |
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03:13:38 | Plouj- | I assume those mean korea, europe, and japan |
03:13:44 | midgey | use 1.29k or 1.29j |
03:14:33 | Plouj- | or am I just imagining that k, j, and eu mean anything? |
03:14:47 | midgey | you were right |
03:14:51 | Plouj- | oh |
03:15:02 | midgey | k = korean, j = japanese, eu = europe |
03:15:57 | daurnimator | JdGordon: ping |
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03:17:36 | Plouj- | umm |
03:17:43 | Plouj- | shouldn't there be a firmware patcher for GNU/Linux? |
03:18:00 | Plouj- | isn't there one? |
03:20:50 | midgey | have you read IriverBoot on the wiki? |
03:21:00 | midgey | look under patching the iriver firmware |
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03:21:37 | midgey | you'll need to have the source checked out |
03:21:49 | midgey | (see the topic) |
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03:26:10 | Febs | Bluebrother's change to manual/makefile broke the manual build for me. |
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03:27:38 | midgey | Febs: they fixed the problem for me (I'm on Mac OS X) |
03:28:07 | Febs | I'm using the VMWare image, so I assume that it will cause problems for others as well. |
03:28:16 | Plouj- | virtualbox! |
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03:30:03 | Febs | Trying to build the manual now causes the error: xargs: invalid option −−I |
03:32:07 | midgey | hmm |
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03:32:23 | midgey | on mac, -i is invalid |
03:33:14 | Febs | Yeah, I see that in his commit message. |
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03:33:47 | Febs | I've changed it back in my local Makefile so that I can compile the changes I just made. I just need to make sure I don't accidentally commit that file. |
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03:37:25 | Febs | That didn't work either. |
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03:42:33 | Plouj- | so |
03:42:48 | Plouj- | how do I get a firmware patcher for GNU/Linux? |
03:42:58 | Plouj- | do I run make in rockbox/fwpatcher/ ? |
03:43:04 | webguest37 | Do GBA roms work on rockboy? |
03:43:26 | midgey | run make in rockbox/tools i think |
03:43:33 | midgey | webguest37: no |
03:43:45 | webguest37 | Darn |
03:43:51 | Plouj- | it says "Run make in your build directory!" if I do that, webguest37 |
03:43:57 | Plouj- | erm |
03:43:59 | Plouj- | that was for midgey |
03:44:21 | webguest37 | What are some good roms |
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03:44:37 | webguest37 | I got pokemon and ddr so far |
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03:46:21 | Plouj- | and if I run make in tools/fwpatcher I get: |
03:46:40 | Plouj- | "No rule to make target bootloader-h100.bin', needed by 'resource.o'." |
03:49:58 | midgey | Plouj-: try running the following commands in /tools |
03:50:00 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/318075 |
03:50:02 | DataGhost | hey, to anyone who is interested: http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-iDoom.avi |
03:50:03 | DataGhost | :P |
03:51:14 | Plouj- | midgey: I can just run make descramble.o for that |
03:52:06 | Plouj- | midgey: what's the point though? |
03:52:40 | midgey | thats part of the output i received from a fresh build |
03:52:52 | midgey | its the part that makes scramble and descramble |
03:53:10 | midgey | i've never just built just tools |
03:53:25 | Plouj- | what did you build before? |
03:53:27 | midgey | eh, scratch a just in that sentence... |
03:53:35 | midgey | full sim or target build |
03:53:58 | Plouj- | what's a target build? |
03:54:10 | midgey | as in a build for the h300 or e200 |
03:54:11 | Plouj- | like rockbox for a specific player? |
03:54:15 | midgey | right |
03:54:16 | Plouj- | how do I do that? |
03:54:29 | midgey | make a directory |
03:54:34 | midgey | say h300 |
03:54:41 | midgey | change into that directory |
03:54:55 | midgey | and type ../tools/configure |
03:55:02 | midgey | choose your target |
03:55:07 | midgey | and normal build |
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03:55:34 | midgey | if you have all the necessary build programs installed, it should build a full build for the h300 |
03:55:41 | midgey | including the tools directory |
03:56:15 | Plouj- | humm |
03:56:28 | Plouj- | is there a list of packages I need to install for those tools on Ubuntu? |
03:56:54 | Plouj- | I don't seem to have m68k-elf-gcc |
03:57:06 | midgey | try running rockboxdev.sh in the tools directory |
03:57:12 | midgey | it should automate the process |
03:57:53 | Plouj- | it doesn't seem to use apt |
03:59:25 | Plouj- | oh well |
03:59:32 | Plouj- | it'll just install in /usr/local, which is fine |
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04:04:45 | kayasha | hey still me, rockbox is so cool, but skipping? any topic on thar ? |
04:04:54 | Soap | what player kayasha? |
04:05:24 | kayasha | still iriver h10 5gb |
04:05:45 | Soap | hmm, I'm not good with that one. |
04:05:45 | kayasha | could be song |
04:05:52 | Soap | what codec? |
04:06:01 | kayasha | lost me there |
04:06:21 | midgey | part of its the fact that arm is less optimized than coldfire at the moment |
04:06:32 | scorche | Soap: think of it as a mini first gen with a color screen |
04:06:36 | midgey | kayasha: mp3, ogg, flac, et cetera |
04:07:04 | Soap | scorche: I thought it had more problems than the mini 1st gen. |
04:07:13 | scorche | it does |
04:07:17 | kayasha | i'll say mp3 |
04:07:24 | kayasha | not sure |
04:07:33 | midgey | have you updated to the newest build? |
04:07:48 | kayasha | good wuestion, thing so |
04:07:52 | midgey | a commit was made a few days ago that made the h10 faster |
04:07:58 | Soap | kayasha: does your WhilePlayingScreen have bars on it which bounce to the music? (peakmeters) |
04:08:20 | midgey | kayasha: or are you using an equalizer? |
04:08:40 | kayasha | eq and no i don't have a bounce to the music bar thing |
04:08:54 | Soap | EQ alone can cause skipping. |
04:09:22 | kayasha | i put default ook? |
04:09:29 | kayasha | no skipping till now |
04:09:55 | Soap | Turn off the EQ and see if it skips. |
04:10:02 | midgey | well, if its a high bitrate mp3 and you have an EQ, you can get skipping |
04:10:02 | kayasha | just did that |
04:10:08 | kayasha | and nope looks good |
04:10:09 | midgey | you also may get skipping while playing games |
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04:10:16 | kayasha | ookk |
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04:10:30 | kayasha | for the playlist/music folder |
04:10:43 | kayasha | is there a way to get it more organised or what? |
04:10:46 | HTD | hello again |
04:11:09 | midgey | kayasha: you could try database mode |
04:11:18 | kayasha | usm? |
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04:11:39 | midgey | organized by artist or song or genre etc, like an ipod |
04:11:46 | kayasha | yaa |
04:11:49 | kayasha | like that |
04:12:09 | HTD | i have a question reguarding the dual boot for the iriver H10 players. it says that in dualboot when i use the original firmware its buggy in such that when i hold the power button it only goes to sleep mode and waste battery |
04:12:27 | HTD | now is that sleep mode the same as the sleep mode on the oringal firmware w/o dual boot? |
04:12:45 | HTD | or does it use more battery than normal or something? |
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04:13:59 | midgey | kayasha: menu-> general settings-> file view-> database ->initialize now |
04:14:44 | midgey | HTD: barrywardell or dan_a are the most likely to be able to answer those questions |
04:15:14 | kayasha | that is in the iriver it self or ? |
04:15:25 | midgey | on any rockbox target |
04:16:32 | kayasha | lost me |
04:16:35 | kayasha | im noob at this |
04:16:42 | midgey | go to the menu |
04:16:52 | midgey | (tap power on the h10, i think) |
04:17:37 | midgey | the go to general settings |
04:17:39 | kayasha | ok got it |
04:17:44 | midgey | then go to file view, etc |
04:17:45 | midgey | ok |
04:17:52 | kayasha | after initialize? |
04:18:11 | midgey | no, now you need to wait for a bit |
04:18:32 | midgey | there should by a circle logo in the upper right part of the screen |
04:18:48 | midgey | when that goes away, the database is ready |
04:19:09 | kayasha | think it is ready |
04:19:25 | midgey | ok, go to the quickmenu |
04:19:52 | kayasha | ok |
04:20:10 | midgey | and change "show files" to Database |
04:20:29 | HTD | im not sure which iriver your using but for my 20GB h10 the circle flash on and off and stays off when its ready (but when its off you have to 'restart' the player. turn it off and turn it back on than u should have your database) |
04:20:43 | HTD | at least thats how i got mine to work |
04:20:51 | kayasha | ok |
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04:22:04 | kayasha | that is done |
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04:28:41 | kayasha | changing the themes/fonts |
04:29:14 | kayasha | any one good at that? |
04:30:57 | kayasha | i can't change it crap |
04:31:16 | HTD | i know how to change the theme from what they give you and i know how to add but i dont know how to create |
04:31:26 | kayasha | i wat to add |
04:31:54 | HTD | when i mean add i mean download pre made themes and putting it in the right folder |
04:32:01 | kayasha | yaya |
04:33:18 | HTD | in your .rockbox folder there is a folder called themes |
04:33:23 | kayasha | ook |
04:33:36 | HTD | just put the .cfg file/theme u got and out it inside the themes folder |
04:33:47 | kayasha | what about hte rest? |
04:33:51 | HTD | than disconnect your player and go to the main menu and change theme |
04:33:58 | HTD | the rest of the folders? |
04:34:01 | kayasha | in the iriver |
04:34:09 | kayasha | omg -.- im stupid ok wait |
04:35:42 | HTD | say for example your player is E: (when you connect in UMS mode) you should put your downloaded pre made themes in the follow folder: (pre made themes have a .cfg extention on them) E:\.rockbox\themes\yourfilehere.cfg |
04:35:45 | kayasha | didn't work? |
04:36:09 | kayasha | ok not it worked |
04:36:31 | HTD | ok assuming you placed it in the right place |
04:36:39 | HTD | and you disconnect your player |
04:36:41 | HTD | go to main menu |
04:36:52 | kayasha | ya i did |
04:37:00 | HTD | and than go to browse themes |
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04:37:08 | HTD | and it should be in there somewhere |
04:37:12 | HTD | if it not there? |
04:37:15 | HTD | is* |
04:37:36 | kayasha | do you know a cool one ? |
04:37:56 | HTD | other than what the default is? no sorry |
04:38:04 | HTD | but for the default i like the iAmp |
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04:38:50 | HTD | are you using iriver h10? |
04:38:56 | kayasha | yap |
04:38:59 | HTD | 5 6 or 20? |
04:39:02 | kayasha | 5 |
04:39:05 | HTD | cool |
04:39:11 | kayasha | ? |
04:39:34 | HTD | u know there is a dual boot for that right? (you can still get radio* |
04:39:37 | HTD | ) |
04:39:49 | kayasha | me and radio eee , not nessesary |
04:39:58 | HTD | oh lol |
04:40:33 | kayasha | doom is cool |
04:40:34 | kayasha | lool |
04:41:09 | nixphoeni | any devs around? i have a basic question about interrupts |
04:41:22 | HTD | how did u get it to work? mine keeps saying BASE WAD MISSING, and i already got the rockdoom.wad AND doom2.wad inside the DOOM folder inside the .rockbox |
04:41:53 | kayasha | i have normal shareware doom |
04:42:03 | HTD | yeah i tried that too didnt work |
04:42:10 | HTD | the doom1.wad |
04:42:18 | kayasha | just put it in the file and it worked lol |
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04:42:19 | kayasha | im lucky |
04:42:23 | HTD | how many files do you have |
04:42:25 | HTD | 2? |
04:42:36 | HTD | inside the doom folder |
04:43:04 | kayasha | yap |
04:43:24 | HTD | hmm and the doom folder is inside the .rockbox folder? |
04:43:30 | kayasha | yap |
04:43:59 | kayasha | does your iriver make a clicky sound sometimes? |
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04:44:01 | HTD | do you think you can link me where u got the files? i got mine from the manual but maybe those files are old or something because they are not working for me |
04:44:08 | HTD | yeah its normal |
04:44:15 | kayasha | ? |
04:44:25 | kayasha | i got from the roxkbox site |
04:44:28 | kayasha | wait |
04:45:09 | HTD | but my iriver h10 is the 20GB i dunno about the 5GB (if it uses flash memory) than NO a clicky sound is not normal |
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04:45:24 | Mouser_X | Anything new/exciting/special/worth mentioning that happened today? (Besides HCS's SPC player. That's pretty darn cool, btw.) |
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04:46:11 | HTD | not that i know of |
04:46:11 | kayasha | sry about that |
04:46:14 | HTD | its cool |
04:46:31 | kayasha | you got msn |
04:46:36 | kayasha | i could send it to you |
04:46:38 | kayasha | i lost link |
04:47:02 | Mouser_X | Link is in Hyrule. |
04:47:09 | Mouser_X | He should be pretty easy to find. |
04:47:16 | HTD | no i dont, can you copy and paste? |
04:47:24 | kayasha | just amin |
04:47:52 | HTD | mouser_x: whats that hcs spc player thing |
04:48:07 | Mouser_X | Check the flyspray tracker. |
04:48:13 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6542 |
04:48:14 | kayasha | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/rockdoom.wad |
04:48:19 | HTD | i dont know what that is its my first time here |
04:48:24 | HTD | thank you kayasha |
04:48:39 | kayasha | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/doom1wad.zip |
04:48:58 | kayasha | why does it goclickl |
04:49:01 | kayasha | cliky |
04:49:41 | HTD | im not sure if the 5GB is flash memory or not but if its like the 20GB than its normal, if you listen to your desktop computer real close you can hear the hard drive making noises |
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04:49:47 | Plouj- | midgey: ok, I compiled everything for h320, where do I find the firmware patcher!? |
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04:50:05 | kayasha | noit's not flash |
04:50:13 | kayasha | you can use it as a hard drive |
04:50:17 | Mouser_X | HTD: Did you see both of my links? |
04:50:48 | HTD | than yeah that clicky sound means the disk is spinning / working its perfectly normal as long as its not really lound |
04:50:56 | HTD | yes im looking at them in 2min |
04:50:58 | kayasha | it is |
04:51:00 | HTD | ty |
04:51:08 | kayasha | realy lound |
04:51:25 | kayasha | ok it stoped |
04:51:31 | midgey | Plouj-: check in the tools directory, scramble and descramble should be there |
04:51:32 | kayasha | maybe when it gets t hot |
04:51:39 | Mouser_X | HTD: So, you saw the snesmusic.org link? I timed out, so I wasn't sure if that made it through. |
04:52:05 | HTD | no not that link |
04:52:27 | Plouj- | midgey: I don't have a tools dir in a newly created h320 directory, nor is there any *scramble* file |
04:52:40 | midgey | no, in /rockbox/tools |
04:53:01 | Plouj- | but I was compiling outside of rockbox o_O |
04:53:33 | Plouj- | so wwhat do I do with descramble? |
04:53:40 | midgey | check IriverBoot |
04:53:41 | HTD | bah, im stilling getting base wad missing. |
04:53:51 | HTD | are you using the daily build? |
04:54:00 | midgey | HTD: download rockdoom.wad from PluginDoom |
04:54:00 | kayasha | yap |
04:54:02 | kayasha | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
04:54:05 | kayasha | all the plugins |
04:54:13 | Mouser_X | HTD: You have *both* WAD files, right? |
04:54:18 | HTD | im using cvs build though maybe thats why |
04:54:24 | HTD | yeah i have rockdoom.wad |
04:54:27 | HTD | and doom1. |
04:54:28 | HTD | wad |
04:54:31 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
04:54:38 | Mouser_X | Just trying to help. |
04:54:46 | kayasha | im using a normal built not cvs |
04:56:00 | kayasha | Mouser_X |
04:56:04 | Mouser_X | Yes? |
04:56:17 | kayasha | maybe you know, how to put music in folders/sorted out |
04:56:28 | kayasha | not all scramble |
04:56:35 | Mouser_X | I don't understand the question. |
04:56:43 | Mouser_X | They're not organized by filename? |
04:56:49 | kayasha | like artist, gender |
04:56:53 | HTD | oh |
04:56:57 | HTD | those are your id3 tags |
04:57:05 | HTD | even though your file name says one thing |
04:57:09 | Mouser_X | It sounds like you want a database view. |
04:57:11 | HTD | the id3 tags might be different |
04:57:43 | HTD | press and hold the left button on your h10 to go to the quick menu |
04:57:46 | Plouj- | hummm |
04:57:48 | kayasha | i got it |
04:57:50 | kayasha | nvm |
04:57:57 | HTD | okay yeah |
04:57:59 | Plouj- | midgey: I don't seem to have a rockbox/bootloader/bootloader.bin file |
04:57:59 | Mouser_X | Glad you fixed it. |
04:58:09 | kayasha | quick menu general setting database initialize now |
04:58:20 | * | Mouser_X will be running Rockbox on his Gigabeat, when it arrives tomarrow. |
04:58:22 | kayasha | then show files data base |
04:58:42 | Mouser_X | (In other words, I don't yet have Rockbox.) |
04:59:17 | midgey | Plouj-: its an attachment at the bottom of IriverBoot |
04:59:20 | kayasha | ok now, in normal firmware, in browser i made some files wth my music, is thatpossible in rockbox? |
04:59:21 | Plouj- | oh |
04:59:50 | Mouser_X | kayasha: What player are you using? |
04:59:52 | HTD | what do u mean you made some files with your music? you mean a playlist? |
05:00 |
05:00:15 | kayasha | iriver 5gb |
05:00:21 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
05:00:21 | kayasha | i folder with all my music in it' |
05:00:34 | HTD | you want to browse via file tree? |
05:00:46 | kayasha | what ever that means |
05:01:00 | Mouser_X | If you've setup the database view, you'll see your files, when it finishes building the database. |
05:01:01 | HTD | you want to browse by folders in the way you arrange them? |
05:01:13 | kayasha | yaaaa |
05:01:23 | HTD | okay go to quick menu (NOT main menu) |
05:01:33 | HTD | and scroll down till you see all |
05:01:50 | kayasha | got it nvm, i did magic |
05:02:02 | kayasha | show files, i did all lool |
05:02:15 | kayasha | TY |
05:02:21 | HTD | yw |
05:02:26 | kayasha | lool |
05:02:45 | HTD | so whats everyone's most played song on their players |
05:02:45 | kayasha | now bed time for me |
05:02:59 | HTD | mine is sia - breathe me |
05:03:01 | kayasha | me it's japanese songs so |
05:03:02 | Plouj- | ok, time to flash the bootloader |
05:03:16 | kayasha | im a anime fan |
05:03:17 | HTD | oh lol thats cool |
05:03:22 | kayasha | and techno |
05:03:28 | * | Mouser_X collects video game music. |
05:03:37 | kayasha | wow cool |
05:03:43 | kayasha | mouser nice nice |
05:03:52 | midgey | Plouj-: make sure the md5sum matches |
05:03:55 | kayasha | all ff is good kingdom hearts is good |
05:04:06 | HTD | i once heard a jpop once and on the chours they were suppose to say "i say whatever" but they couldn't say it right and it keeps coming out as "i say wall evar" |
05:04:06 | kayasha | chrono trigger |
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05:04:18 | Mouser_X | Like as in, I have over 55,000 songs, and I'd say 5,000 (almost certainly much, much less) is "mainstream" as in Weird Al, Enya, and stuff like that. |
05:04:19 | kayasha | lol |
05:04:24 | Plouj- | midgey: I did |
05:04:25 | HTD | i laughed so hard when me and mine friends were cursing down 3rd street blasting that music |
05:04:40 | kayasha | NICE |
05:04:48 | kayasha | anyways bed time DODO |
05:04:55 | kayasha | chowww and ty again |
05:04:56 | Mouser_X | Sleep well. |
05:04:56 | HTD | see ya |
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05:05:15 | Plouj- | wait a second |
05:05:20 | Plouj- | did I have to copy the fonts somewhere first? |
05:05:50 | midgey | those are extra, rockbox will work without them |
05:05:55 | midgey | but most themes require them |
05:06:01 | Plouj- | where do I put them? |
05:06:14 | midgey | extract them to .rockbox/fonts |
05:06:18 | Plouj- | in .rockbox/fonts |
05:06:19 | Plouj- | k |
05:06:20 | Mouser_X | .rockbox/fonts |
05:06:22 | Plouj- | well |
05:06:26 | Plouj- | extract them? |
05:06:29 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
05:06:32 | midgey | also, if you're using the US firmware, you may need to flash twice |
05:06:33 | Plouj- | the SVN checkout seems to have them extracted, no? |
05:06:37 | midgey | yes |
05:06:47 | Plouj- | I was told the US firmware isn't even supported |
05:06:52 | midgey | if you download from the site they're in a zip file |
05:06:58 | Plouj- | so I jused Japanese firmware |
05:07:07 | midgey | right, i meant if thats the firmware currently on your player |
05:07:17 | Plouj- | oh |
05:07:32 | Plouj- | so, the first time I flash, I'll get back to iriver firmware? |
05:09:42 | HTD | i thought you didnt have to flash anything to install iriver rockbox |
05:10:37 | Plouj- | humm |
05:10:40 | Plouj- | did you mean this: |
05:11:02 | Plouj- | I told my player to flash the firmware, but after doing that, it just went back to the play screen |
05:11:13 | Plouj- | ? |
05:11:56 | Plouj- | humm, I tried it again, and iriver still isn't turning off |
05:12:13 | Plouj- | nor does it show any progress indicator |
05:13:05 | Plouj- | was putting new.hex in the root of the player not enough? |
05:13:21 | midgey | it has to be named H300.hex |
05:13:31 | Plouj- | figures |
05:13:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
05:14:42 | Plouj- | there it goes |
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05:18:01 | Plouj- | sweet |
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05:20:22 | Plouj- | rockbox is runnin! |
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05:50:20 | Plouj- | umm |
05:50:44 | Plouj- | what video formats does rockbox plays? |
05:50:49 | combrains | gotthardt, you around? |
05:51:00 | gotthardt | hey combrains |
05:51:09 | combrains | hiya |
05:51:17 | combrains | I saw your commit |
05:51:23 | combrains | did you find the bug? |
05:51:31 | * | gotthardt crosses fingers |
05:51:38 | combrains | hehe |
05:51:40 | midgey | Plouj-: mpeg 1 or mpeg 2 video with mpeg3-layer1 audio at 44.1kHz |
05:51:48 | combrains | ok will svn up now and see |
05:51:59 | midgey | look up PluginMpegPlayer |
05:52:13 | gotthardt | i think so - i was just idleing the iis and not letting it finish a frame |
05:52:47 | combrains | ic. i see that sloth hs changed somthing in the system too - soes this mean i need to build a new bootloader too? |
05:53:17 | gotthardt | not sure - i think it has to be 1/14 or later |
05:53:42 | combrains | I have the one from the wiki currently |
05:55:20 | KCC | whats the most common cause of Rockbox locking up at the filebrowser right after boot, just out of curiosity :) |
05:56:02 | KCC | lets say, on a Gigabeat? |
05:56:43 | gotthardt | i havent seen it - can you reproduce consistantly? |
05:56:56 | KCC | absolutely |
05:57:09 | gotthardt | cool - how? |
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05:57:43 | KCC | I press the power button, rockbox boots |
05:57:50 | KCC | shows me the pretty Rockbox logo |
05:57:56 | KCC | goes into the filebrowser |
05:57:58 | * | gotthardt follows along |
05:58:14 | KCC | and i get a BSOD immediately |
05:58:17 | combrains | gotthardt, BTW i was reading the output of my dmesg after I went offline last night and suse does se my gb as being manufactured by toshiba and does see it as a mobile audio player but it keeps wanting to mount it as a camera |
05:58:21 | KCC | a USB picture shows up when I plug in a USB though |
05:59:05 | combrains | which model? i didnt think we had a BSOD on rb |
05:59:20 | KCC | Gigabeat F40 |
05:59:29 | gotthardt | <KCC> what does it look like? |
06:00 |
06:00:08 | gotthardt | can you make your own builds? |
06:00:11 | KCC | liek i said, it goes into the filebrowser |
06:00:15 | KCC | shows me 4 options |
06:00:34 | KCC | then the little disk icon in the top right corner turns into a solid black box, and the player freezes |
06:00:41 | KCC | if i touch the touchpad, my four options disappear |
06:00:48 | KCC | and im left with a disfigured title bar and a BSOD |
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06:01:12 | gotthardt | what do you do exactly to go into filebrowser? |
06:01:31 | KCC | i turn it o |
06:01:33 | KCC | on* |
06:01:45 | KCC | it shows me some DOS prompt type stuff for a bit |
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06:01:50 | KCC | shows me the pretty Rockbox logo |
06:01:52 | combrains | do you know which version you have? |
06:02:03 | KCC | of rockbox? |
06:02:06 | KCC | ive got the latest CVS |
06:02:10 | KCC | and ive tried both bootloaders |
06:02:12 | KCC | to no avail |
06:02:17 | KCC | ill try an older build, perhaps |
06:02:26 | combrains | all I could sugest is making sure that you have the bootloader from the wiki |
06:02:30 | KCC | (sorry, not CVS anymore, i apolgize) |
06:03:06 | KCC | i'll try it |
06:04:44 | combrains | gotthardt, gwhite has altered system-megfx.c. does this constitute a rebuild of the bootloader? |
06:04:57 | gotthardt | ill look |
06:04:57 | KCC | same problem... |
06:05:16 | combrains | if kcc has latest svn then this could be the problem |
06:05:19 | gotthardt | no - minor |
06:05:24 | combrains | ok |
06:06:05 | KCC | ill try reverting to an older daily build? |
06:06:09 | KCC | yesterdays, perhaps |
06:09:00 | KCC | yesterdays build works flawlessly |
06:09:04 | KCC | im happy to report |
06:09:14 | gotthardt | good! |
06:09:16 | combrains | coll - im running yesterday's svn atm |
06:09:28 | combrains | im building latest svs as we speak |
06:09:42 | combrains | ill report back in a few minutes |
06:10:18 | KCC | time to get a new WPS going :) |
06:12:12 | combrains | gotthardt, did you see my query re my suse problem^^^ |
06:13:23 | gotthardt | yes - somehow the core USB is passing off the VID:PID and a camera driver is taking it... |
06:13:55 | gotthardt | so - what to do? |
06:14:10 | gotthardt | can you do a lsmod ? |
06:14:18 | gotthardt | and find out what drivers are loaded |
06:14:43 | gotthardt | then i think you can blacklist that driver from loading |
06:14:46 | combrains | the results of dmesg say that the manufatureer is toshiba and the product is a mobil audio player |
06:14:53 | gotthardt | k |
06:15:01 | gotthardt | type: lsmod |
06:17:21 | combrains | ok this is crazy, now it shows up a a mass storage HDD |
06:17:48 | gotthardt | fun |
06:18:59 | combrains | suse is running inside a VM - could this be a factor? |
06:19:19 | gotthardt | beats me - i havent tried that before |
06:19:40 | gotthardt | but its a good bet |
06:20:32 | Plouj- | how do I change the screen turn off delay? It seems too short. I only found idle power off which is at 10 min. I'm experiencing 10second delays before screen turns off... |
06:21:06 | gotthardt | menu / general settings / lcd settings - try the top one |
06:21:26 | KCC | Rockbox is... |
06:21:28 | KCC | INCREDIBLE |
06:21:30 | KCC | I love you all. |
06:21:43 | combrains | so you rebuilt and it works? |
06:21:50 | combrains | my SVN build works |
06:21:53 | gotthardt | another happy customer... :) |
06:21:56 | KCC | yup, ive got beatMPgirl loaded |
06:22:00 | KCC | my 'beats sexyyy |
06:22:44 | Plouj- | humm |
06:22:55 | Plouj- | shouldn't mplayer cause the lcd screen not to turn off? |
06:23:37 | combrains | gotthardt, your bug persists :P |
06:23:37 | gotthardt | Plouj-: i think you are right |
06:23:40 | gotthardt | ahh |
06:24:03 | gotthardt | i couldnt get it to happen on mine for a long time... |
06:24:12 | combrains | 3 tries... |
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06:24:19 | gotthardt | bummer |
06:24:23 | combrains | play/pause |
06:24:42 | gotthardt | try turning off the fade on stop |
06:24:48 | gotthardt | please |
06:24:48 | combrains | it is off |
06:24:57 | combrains | i dont like it |
06:25:29 | gotthardt | but does it work now? |
06:25:43 | combrains | i tried with it off to start with |
06:25:50 | gotthardt | rats |
06:26:07 | combrains | sorry to be the bearer of bad news :P |
06:26:35 | gotthardt | no prob - gotta know it |
06:27:02 | combrains | ok im going out for dinner tonight |
06:27:08 | combrains | gott go get ready |
06:27:10 | gotthardt | have fun |
06:27:18 | combrains | might check back later - see how we go |
06:27:29 | * | combrains waves bubie |
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06:28:06 | Plouj- | this owns |
06:28:58 | Plouj- | is playing doom generally bad for the navi pad? ;p |
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06:31:42 | KCC | anybody else find it funny when you plug in a USB cable to the gigabeat using the beatMPgirl theme? |
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06:54:44 | perldiver | gotthardt |
06:54:47 | perldiver | still here? |
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06:54:56 | gotthardt | yep |
06:54:58 | perldiver | hey |
06:55:02 | perldiver | hows everything |
06:55:17 | gotthardt | good - and you? |
06:55:40 | perldiver | not bad, too hot tonight though |
06:55:50 | gotthardt | ? where are you? |
06:55:57 | perldiver | thats the funny part |
06:56:00 | perldiver | new york |
06:56:09 | gotthardt | that is funny |
06:56:17 | gotthardt | thermastat stuck? |
06:56:19 | perldiver | +15C at night |
06:56:21 | perldiver | is no joke |
06:56:25 | perldiver | if its january |
06:56:30 | gotthardt | wow |
06:57:06 | perldiver | let me scroll up |
06:57:13 | perldiver | what combrains was going on about |
06:57:16 | perldiver | bugs? |
06:57:52 | gotthardt | left and right channel switches sometimes |
06:57:55 | perldiver | havent seen one in a while |
06:57:58 | perldiver | still does? |
06:58:05 | gotthardt | i cant get it anymore - he says it does |
06:58:11 | perldiver | its kinda weird, cause i could never reproduce |
06:58:23 | perldiver | i dont hit play/pause a lot though |
06:58:56 | perldiver | with the latest builds sound quality is almost perfection |
06:59:08 | perldiver | and channel swap is nowhere to see |
06:59:08 | gotthardt | cool |
06:59:42 | perldiver | yeah i couldnt believe my monitor speakers |
06:59:55 | gotthardt | nice eh? |
07:00 |
07:00:07 | perldiver | brilliant |
07:00:26 | perldiver | actually 1st hardware player with such a nice range |
07:00:28 | gotthardt | dang - i just got the channel switch after an hour... |
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07:00:39 | perldiver | ok, tell me what did you do |
07:00:50 | perldiver | just hitting play/pause all the time? |
07:00:51 | gotthardt | i just push pause then play |
07:00:55 | gotthardt | yes |
07:01:00 | perldiver | mp3s? |
07:01:10 | gotthardt | no wav file |
07:01:18 | Mikachu | is it just me or are the colored diffs more boring than they used to be? |
07:01:30 | perldiver | so only with wav files? |
07:01:38 | gotthardt | Mikachu: boring.. |
07:01:52 | Mikachu | (ie no colors) |
07:02:15 | midgey | At least they're working more than they were a day or two ago |
07:02:15 | gotthardt | perldiver: i was told others - but wav is closest to raw |
07:02:20 | perldiver | svn builds are not hanging the player anymore? |
07:02:48 | gotthardt | dont know - i build local |
07:03:00 | perldiver | i have to check myself |
07:03:17 | perldiver | well, i can tell i know i never had that channel swapping bug |
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07:04:01 | perldiver | i had quite different sound complaints but they are long gone now |
07:04:40 | gotthardt | shooting for perfection here... |
07:04:59 | perldiver | do you have a slight delay while browsing to upper folder from an album one? |
07:05:10 | perldiver | thats what im getting quite a bit |
07:05:21 | perldiver | dir cache on |
07:05:50 | gotthardt | i get a delay now when i hit up arrow... kinda bugs me - but if we are using a large buffer, that might be the price we pay... |
07:06:25 | gotthardt | i have dir cache on too |
07:06:49 | perldiver | there was a talk to day about slowing down the cpu to 200 and give it a full go on tasks like video player etc |
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07:07:44 | gotthardt | possible - just need to get the right clock divisors - the cpu is picky |
07:08:12 | perldiver | but the battery life is already around 20 hours |
07:08:25 | perldiver | still would be interesting to see what rates we can reach |
07:08:28 | gotthardt | that is amazing.. |
07:08:28 | Mikachu | why do you need 200mhz for playing music when the others get by with a lot less? |
07:08:43 | gotthardt | we have 300Mhz now |
07:08:44 | perldiver | Mikachu cause we can? |
07:08:54 | gotthardt | its actually a slowdown |
07:08:58 | perldiver | haha |
07:09:26 | gotthardt | i dont know why they used such a fast chip - maybe they had other plans |
07:09:33 | Mikachu | yes, i got that when you said slowdown :) |
07:09:35 | gotthardt | or got it cheap |
07:10:06 | Mouser_X | In the hopes of some codecs I'd like to see come up, I like the 300mhz CPU. |
07:10:28 | gotthardt | and of course quake |
07:10:31 | gotthardt | heh |
07:10:50 | Mouser_X | Though, being able to set at what speed it runs depending on the task it's doing would probably be the better idea (if that's possible). |
07:11:37 | perldiver | lol |
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07:12:04 | perldiver | i should say he hits the gym pretty late |
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07:16:33 | toffe | do you want to learn japanese :rockbox japan : http://somewhere.babyblue.jp/wiki/pukiwiki.php?FrontPage |
07:16:48 | toffe | and also http://www.wikihouse.com/cipher/index.php?FrontPage |
07:20:24 | voltagex | someone needs to update and re-upload the VMWare image :/ |
07:20:31 | voltagex | it requires 202mb of updates |
07:20:40 | Mouser_X | D: |
07:20:53 | Mikachu | why would it require updates? |
07:21:03 | perldiver | that japanese page looks surreal |
07:21:05 | Mikachu | you're not supposed to go surfing the internet with it |
07:21:07 | voltagex | apt-get dist-upgrade says 202mb |
07:21:21 | voltagex | Mikachu: but new and shiny is nice :P |
07:21:26 | perldiver | Mouser_X hows wps doing? |
07:21:34 | Mikachu | yeah that's a real good reason |
07:22:01 | perldiver | some prefer wet and shiny |
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07:22:54 | Mouser_X | perldiver: I haven't touched it since the weekend. |
07:23:11 | voltagex | Mikachu: because I said so? |
07:23:25 | Mouser_X | My Gigabeat will be arriving tomarrow, so I probably won't be touching it until Wed. at the earliest. |
07:23:46 | perldiver | Mouser_X its all good |
07:23:58 | Mikachu | voltagex: go ahead and update your image, then tell me how much it needs in two weeks |
07:24:13 | voltagex | :P I haven't updated it |
07:24:21 | voltagex | not gonna waste 200mb of quota. |
07:24:42 | Mikachu | hah quota |
07:24:51 | Mikachu | crazy australian isps |
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07:25:38 | voltagex | Mikachu: we call broadband fraudband here. |
07:25:51 | Mikachu | i've used 200MB of bandwidth in the last 2 minutes :) |
07:26:00 | perldiver | quotafreuds |
07:26:10 | voltagex | Mikachu: omg, how fast is your connection? |
07:26:14 | Mikachu | 100 |
07:26:23 | voltagex | 100mb???! |
07:26:31 | Mikachu | megabits |
07:26:44 | voltagex | wow, can I run torrents on your b0x? |
07:26:50 | Mikachu | no please |
07:26:54 | voltagex | lol |
07:27:00 | voltagex | :;( |
07:27:02 | perldiver | whats your upload? |
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07:27:09 | Mikachu | it's symmetric |
07:27:18 | voltagex | holy shjite |
07:27:23 | voltagex | you'd be a good seed |
07:27:26 | perldiver | wet and shiny! |
07:27:30 | voltagex | and no quota? |
07:27:33 | Mikachu | nope |
07:27:51 | voltagex | how many gigs do you do a month? |
07:27:55 | Mikachu | no idea |
07:27:58 | Mouser_X | How much do you pay for service? |
07:28:18 | Mikachu | 7$/month |
07:28:25 | Mouser_X | O_O |
07:28:28 | * | Mouser_X wants |
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07:28:54 | perldiver | Mikachu where are you? |
07:29:02 | Mikachu | sweden |
07:29:05 | perldiver | oh that explains it |
07:29:36 | Mouser_X | :( |
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07:29:50 | Mouser_X | That'd be difficult for me to get service out this far... |
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07:34:21 | * | voltagex moves to Sweden |
07:34:45 | voltagex | if we had 100mbit here, it would be $300/month and have a 400mb download quota! |
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07:42:18 | maxis308 | hello? |
07:42:25 | toffe | this is a good site for good music (mp3 and cheap) : http://magnatune.com/ |
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07:52:00 | maxis308 | hello? |
07:52:10 | LinusN | hello |
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07:55:32 | maxis308 | do u guys use rockbox/ |
07:57:24 | Mouser_X | Considering the name of this channel, I'd have to say it's extremely likely. |
07:58:26 | maxis308 | anyone use it for an x5? |
07:58:47 | Mouser_X | Again, most likely. |
07:58:58 | maxis308 | well who/ |
07:59:02 | maxis308 | not you obviously |
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07:59:49 | Mouser_X | Perhaps if you simply asked your question, it'd get answered. |
07:59:58 | midloman | Hi gang, need some help :) |
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08:00:37 | midloman | Rockbox on H320, 1.29K wont boot |
08:01:13 | maxis308 | im jw if i shoudl switch |
08:02:12 | JdGordon | midloman: is there an error? |
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08:03:10 | midloman | no error, nothing on screen, stays black. If I tap on key twice, loads Iriver firmware |
08:03:46 | JdGordon | do you actually have the rockbox bootloader installed? |
08:04:32 | midloman | yes. downloaded the 1.29k firmware, patched it, then flashed the patched version. |
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08:05:01 | JdGordon | sounds like it didnt match successfully... |
08:05:19 | JdGordon | o.. are you using a us version? |
08:05:34 | JdGordon | i mean is your h320 us or international? |
08:05:37 | midloman | yes, previous firmware was 1.04 |
08:05:46 | JdGordon | ok, you have to flash it a second time |
08:05:47 | midloman | us version |
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08:06:10 | midloman | ok. same h300 file? |
08:06:15 | JdGordon | ye |
08:06:52 | LinusN | JdGordon: that actually gives us a nice clue where the DRm key is located |
08:07:18 | LinusN | why didn't i think of that? |
08:07:36 | JdGordon | thats been a known problem for ages hasnt it? |
08:07:54 | LinusN | yes, but it struck me now that it is a valuable clue |
08:07:59 | JdGordon | :) |
08:08:05 | LinusN | damn |
08:08:19 | LinusN | and i just returned my 1.04 player to the owner |
08:08:47 | JdGordon | was there any plan to try getting drm working tho? |
08:08:58 | LinusN | yes, i once had a plan |
08:09:10 | LinusN | no, not to get drm working in rockbox |
08:09:26 | LinusN | but to retain drm in the original fw |
08:10:18 | JdGordon | oh well... |
08:10:49 | midloman | Thanks JdGordon :) Rockbox is loading now... |
08:10:55 | JdGordon | :) |
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08:11:50 | midloman | I used a Kosh build, no Rockbox logo show up. What is best H300 build? |
08:12:08 | JdGordon | official svn |
08:12:20 | midloman | OK, thx |
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08:16:09 | amiconn | mo0ning |
08:16:23 | tvelocity | lol morning |
08:16:38 | LinusN | mooning |
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08:17:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Regarding your idea that check_registers() might confuse the lba48 logic - according to the identify data, the MK8010GAH doesn't support lba48 |
08:17:29 | amiconn | But check_registers() has given us trouble before - I wonder why |
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08:18:15 | amiconn | The linux ata driver doesn't seem to do an equivalent of this, at least I couldn't find one. |
08:18:38 | LinusN | i'll try without it as soon as i can |
08:19:07 | amiconn | Otoh the ata specs (indirectly) describe such a procedure, in conjunction with handling a slave-only configuration |
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08:55:14 | voltagex | getting an error in the build... something about Plugin RAM being full. |
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09:07:15 | * | amiconn discovers styles are now applied to viewvc :) |
09:07:35 | * | Bagder points to Zagor ;-) |
09:07:57 | amiconn | Zagor: It seems there's now a bit too much styles: The coloured diffs are no longer red/yellow/green for indicating changes |
09:08:12 | Bagder | hehe |
09:08:27 | Zagor | there can never be too much style! ;) |
09:08:58 | GodEaterWeb | some people are just never happy ;) |
09:09:27 | * | voltagex dances around... CUEsheets! |
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09:11:30 | * | Bagder detects that the html-zips are back |
09:13:10 | GodEaterWeb | does anyone know if we've accepted DerPapst's patch to ipodpatcher to allow it to write .bin firmwares ? |
09:13:17 | LinusN | what do i have to do to build tools/ipodpatcher ? |
09:13:24 | GodEaterWeb | I want to start looking at what the ipl kernel ide driver does differently to ours |
09:13:35 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: make :) |
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09:13:48 | LinusN | ipodio-posix.c:58: error: `IPOD_SECTORSIZE_IOCTL' undeclared (first use in this |
09:13:48 | LinusN | function) |
09:14:02 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: which platform is that on ? |
09:14:05 | LinusN | windows |
09:14:10 | GodEaterWeb | cygwin ? |
09:14:19 | LinusN | yes, and mingw |
09:14:27 | GodEaterWeb | ah - don't think we've built it on that ever |
09:14:31 | LinusN | i see |
09:14:33 | amiconn | LinusN: On cygwin you need to hack the makefile and then explicitly call 'make ipodpatcher.exe' |
09:14:37 | GodEaterWeb | it compiles natively under windows (MSVC I guess) |
09:15:08 | amiconn | Bagder: Speaking about colours: The build log processing script somehow lost its ability to mark warnings and errors with colours. It still finds problems and properly links to them, but the colours are gone |
09:15:12 | * | GodEaterWeb detects a race is on to see who can get rockbox's ata driver up to scratch |
09:15:28 | GodEaterWeb | and I suspect I'm going to lose |
09:16:04 | amiconn | LinusN: In the makefile, remove the i586-mingw32msvc- prefixes in lines 7 and 8, and then 'make ipodpatcher.exe' |
09:16:12 | Bagder | I think I can blame zagor for that too ;-) |
09:17:07 | LinusN | amiconn: thanks |
09:17:13 | amiconn | I don't know how to add cygwin detection to the Makefile. For the main build it's done in configure (i.e. a shell script) |
09:17:14 | Bagder | Zagor: should we perhaps refer to the www.rockbox.org style sheet instead, or should we make sure both are identical? |
09:17:14 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: does that mean the firmware-bin patch is in ? |
09:17:45 | LinusN | what's that? :-) |
09:18:03 | GodEaterWeb | the thing you'll need in ipodpatcher to make it write kernel.bin to the ipod's firmware partition |
09:18:12 | GodEaterWeb | DerPapst submitted a patch apparently |
09:18:20 | LinusN | what kernel.bin? |
09:18:39 | GodEaterWeb | ah I assumed you were going to do the same as I, installed the ipl kernel, and debug from there |
09:18:44 | LinusN | of course not |
09:18:45 | Zagor | Bagder: point to www.rb.org/styles.css instead of having a local copy |
09:18:48 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, it might be that you also need to add -mno-cygwin on the gcc command line |
09:18:51 | GodEaterWeb | silly me |
09:18:51 | Bagder | yeah |
09:19:06 | Zagor | ah, missed your previous line :) |
09:19:10 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: so what *are* you goign to do ? :) |
09:19:15 | amiconn | Don't remember exactly, but I once succeeded to build the (new) ipodpatcher on cygwin that way, and it worked |
09:19:18 | LinusN | install the rockbox bootloader |
09:21:02 | GodEaterWeb | I think I'll just sit quietly and observe |
09:22:24 | GodEaterWeb | have I missed something this morning? Does someone already know what the ipl kernel's ata driver is doing differently than ours ? |
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09:24:39 | LinusN | not yet, but i have a few ideas |
09:24:49 | GodEaterWeb | going to share ? |
09:25:35 | Zagor | no, the 5.5 port will be $50 ;) |
09:25:59 | pondlife | Hmm, we need a GPL-compliant currency |
09:26:41 | petur | some contribution ratio? get 1000 lines code for 1 line contributed ;) |
09:26:47 | GodEaterWeb | hahaha |
09:26:50 | hcs | heh |
09:27:11 | hcs | with my massive codecs I'd be good to go |
09:27:27 | GodEaterWeb | given all the investigation I did with the 80G, I may cry if someone fixes it before me |
09:27:56 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: well, your contributions have still been very valuable |
09:28:11 | GodEaterWeb | hehe - yeah - they may well just be tears of joy |
09:28:18 | pondlife | GodEaterWeb: The race is on! |
09:28:40 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: first of all do you remember if you removed the call to check_registers() when you experimented? |
09:28:48 | GodEaterWeb | no I didn't |
09:28:57 | GodEaterWeb | which registers does it check ? |
09:29:28 | LinusN | it writes to a few r/w registers, among them lcyl, and reads them back |
09:29:33 | * | GodEaterWeb reads the code and answers his own question |
09:29:57 | GodEaterWeb | I'm not sure if it's relevant or not |
09:30:06 | GodEaterWeb | but linuxstb expressed some surprise last night when I told him |
09:30:22 | GodEaterWeb | which is I dumped out the content of the read buffer |
09:30:29 | GodEaterWeb | ignoring the error state |
09:30:35 | GodEaterWeb | and got back a lot of 0xdeadbeef |
09:30:49 | GodEaterWeb | which seems to indicate the ATA read address is at least near the stack |
09:31:10 | GodEaterWeb | that may just be a curio though |
09:31:13 | * | Bagder brought the "changes since..." links back to life |
09:31:43 | petur | \o/ |
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09:35:30 | Bagder | they're just in the wrong order... for another two minutes |
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09:38:59 | Bagder | possibly the changelog links will work as well... |
09:40:03 | Bagder | we'll see at next commit |
09:40:11 | pondlife | Bagder: Any plans to put the build table fonts and widths back to how they used to be? |
09:40:22 | Bagder | they're not? |
09:40:49 | pondlife | Nope, not here at least. The who column is much narrower, and the where column uses a tiny font |
09:40:56 | pondlife | Something stylee |
09:41:07 | Bagder | ah right |
09:41:13 | pondlife | This is bog-standard IE6 FWIW. |
09:41:19 | * | pondlife is at work :( |
09:41:56 | pondlife | I would have said "Compare with the since 2.5 page" but I see you've upgraded that too :) |
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09:42:14 | Bagder | we've been tweaking the look back and forth a lot to satisfy everyone... |
09:42:34 | pondlife | I think it was perfect before, but then I'm used to it. |
09:43:04 | pondlife | Just need to change the menu to read "SVN builds" and put the menu back on the build page... |
09:43:11 | pondlife | but I'm sure you already discussed those. |
09:43:20 | tucoz_work | Bagder: what do you think about renaming the html-zips to html-zip or html (zip)? You have to hover or click to know that it is a zip now. |
09:43:35 | Bagder | sure! |
09:43:45 | tucoz_work | nice :) |
09:44:27 | tucoz_work | now the gigabeat fellas need a midgey as well, to get their manual up to par with the rest |
09:45:04 | tucoz_work | midgey == tom ross, right? |
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09:45:33 | pondlife | One other point (which isn't new) - the fonts page (http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts) reads "Rockbox For Fonts" - shouldn't that be "Fonts for Rockbox"? |
09:45:44 | Bagder | haha |
09:45:47 | Bagder | well |
09:46:07 | Bagder | all the other builds are "rockbox for ..." and I just re-used the same concept for the fonts as well |
09:46:13 | pondlife | :) |
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09:46:30 | GodEaterWeb | heh - nice to see my build server in the logs now without any errors |
09:46:33 | Bagder | but yeah, one of these days I should adjsut that |
09:47:24 | * | Bagder makes sure we get a fixed URL for the html-zips as well |
09:48:17 | Bagder | starting tomorrow or so |
09:48:27 | tucoz_work | yay! |
09:48:48 | DataGhost | *gah* I'm awake again \o/ |
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09:49:20 | * | Bagder puts the blanket back on DataGhost and tucks him back to sleep |
09:49:20 | * | DataGhost burns Bagder's putting device |
09:49:27 | DataGhost | hehe |
09:49:40 | DataGhost | hm i've still got that script on |
09:49:53 | sneakums | now Bagder will have to play golf like the rest of us |
09:50:05 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: Nice work last night after I went to bed ;) |
09:50:12 | DataGhost | thanks :) |
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09:50:25 | DataGhost | still didn't work out for the fat32 partition though |
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09:50:56 | DataGhost | the only thing i noticed (long shot) was that there are, according to the header, 64260 hidden 2048b-sectors on it |
09:51:10 | DataGhost | and the partition starts at 2048b-sector 64260 |
09:51:16 | DataGhost | changed that but it didn't help |
09:51:32 | GodEaterWeb | I think the iPL fat32 driver needs some work |
09:51:44 | DataGhost | well it's the same as the 2.4 kernel driver |
09:51:47 | DataGhost | afaik. |
09:51:51 | DataGhost | oh wait |
09:51:58 | DataGhost | no the partitioning scheme is the same |
09:52:03 | DataGhost | I never really looked at the fat32 driver |
09:52:33 | GodEaterWeb | that's what I mean - you've got the low level stuff reading the partitions now |
09:52:43 | GodEaterWeb | but the fat32 driver needs updating to the larger sector size too |
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09:52:53 | DataGhost | oh! |
09:52:56 | DataGhost | it doesn't automatically do that? |
09:53:06 | DataGhost | because sector size is defined in the fat32 header |
09:53:20 | DataGhost | 0x0080 = 800h = 2048d |
09:53:41 | DataGhost | i dumped 50 kB 'around' the fat32 header, if you need it? |
09:53:43 | GodEaterWeb | I've no idea |
09:53:50 | GodEaterWeb | not looked at the fat32 driver yet :) |
09:53:57 | GodEaterWeb | I only suspect that's the problem |
09:54:02 | DataGhost | http://dataghost.com/stukschijf.bin it starts at 0x5000 |
09:54:41 | DataGhost | 0x500b - 2 bytes - Bytes per sector. A common value is 512, especially for filesystems on IDE (or compatible) disks. |
09:55:28 | DataGhost | and there's a backup at 0x8000 |
09:57:14 | DataGhost | oh |
09:57:15 | DataGhost | hm |
09:57:36 | DataGhost | maybe that needs to be changed to 512 too and the rest needs to be multiplied again |
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10:01:14 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: check your PMs |
10:01:39 | DataGhost | hm? |
10:01:46 | DataGhost | where |
10:01:49 | DataGhost | i don't see any on the forum |
10:01:55 | GodEaterWeb | no - in IRC :) |
10:01:58 | DataGhost | or can't i receive pms either? |
10:02:03 | DataGhost | then i really need to register |
10:02:14 | GodEaterWeb | oh, you're not registered on irc ? |
10:02:23 | DataGhost | done |
10:02:28 | DataGhost | well I am apparently :D |
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10:02:38 | DataGhost | i just forgot to put identify in my startup script |
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10:16:00 | Abcminiuser | Is there a reason no one's written a GIF decoder for RockBox? |
10:16:57 | GodEaterWeb | are you sure there's not one in the patch tracker ? |
10:17:48 | Abcminiuser | I'd better check before I try making my own then ;) |
10:18:02 | GodEaterWeb | it's always an idea |
10:18:59 | Abcminiuser | Well I do know C and I've found some whitepapers on writing your own GIF decoder |
10:19:20 | Abcminiuser | Minus the LZW decompressor, since that's patented, and wouldn't be allowed in RockBox |
10:19:31 | crwll | didn't that patent expire some time ago |
10:20:36 | Abcminiuser | Probably, but with OS burocratic nonsense, who knows what would be allowed |
10:21:13 | Abcminiuser | Well jigger me, someone beat me to it a year ago |
10:21:21 | Abcminiuser | Still, I suppose I could work on that instead... |
10:23:05 | Zagor | Abcminiuser: we're a lot more strict about copyright than about patents. the reason is that it's almost impossible to know if /when you are violating any patents. |
10:23:43 | Zagor | also, there are so many silly patents granted that wouldn't survive a test in court |
10:23:44 | Abcminiuser | One would hope so - software patents are ridiculous in any case (IMO, of course) |
10:24:43 | GodEaterWeb | I'm pretty sure the GIF patent expired in about 2000 |
10:24:59 | BHSPitMonkey | GIF is a dumb format |
10:25:13 | BHSPitMonkey | web pages look gross that have them |
10:25:14 | LinusN | meh... sleep() hangs for me |
10:25:25 | BHSPitMonkey | I should get some sleep() here pretty soon. |
10:25:32 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: that's cos you've not got interupts enabled |
10:25:49 | GodEaterWeb | which is why I did all my debugging with the firmware, not the bootloader |
10:25:56 | LinusN | they aren't enabled in the bootloader? |
10:26:00 | GodEaterWeb | nope |
10:26:00 | Abcminiuser | Yes, GIF is a crap format, but still, it's widely used |
10:26:10 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: any idea why? |
10:26:17 | Abcminiuser | I'd rather PNG, but there you go... |
10:26:36 | GodEaterWeb | though the fact that you're dropping into sleep() at all means you're still getting the drive read errors |
10:26:45 | LinusN | yes i do |
10:26:49 | GodEaterWeb | since it's not called unless they fail, and the driver attempts an ata_soft_reset() |
10:26:53 | BHSPitMonkey | not really that widely, anymore. but there are still those some morons who insist upon dressing up web pages using them... |
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10:27:34 | Zagor | BHSPitMonkey: does internet explorer display pngs normally nowadays? |
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10:27:48 | DataGhost | wb GodEaterWeb |
10:27:49 | LinusN | could any ipod hacker explain to me why interrupts are disabled in the bootloader? |
10:27:52 | Zagor | that's the single reason gif sticks around |
10:28:21 | Abcminiuser | How can I grab the latest source? Seems the latest on the site is from the 9th :P |
10:28:23 | GodEaterWeb | I'm not sure they're explcitily disabled |
10:28:28 | BHSPitMonkey | Zagor, how would I know? |
10:28:30 | GodEaterWeb | I think no-one turns them on is all |
10:28:55 | Zagor | BHSPitMonkey: it just sounded like you were into the web arena |
10:29:06 | BHSPitMonkey | Zagor, as an end-user. |
10:29:16 | Zagor | ok |
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10:33:10 | Abcminiuser | That's odd, my source archive from december already has the GIF code in it |
10:33:18 | Abcminiuser | But rockbox doesn't recognise GIFs |
10:34:50 | Mikachu | Zagor: something is wrong with svn diffs again |
10:35:55 | Mikachu | maybe someone already mentioned it |
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10:42:46 | amiconn | LinusN: My understanding is that the ipod bootloader doesn't enable interrupts in order to not confuse the apple fw |
10:43:03 | LinusN | i see |
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10:43:46 | amiconn | Not sure whether we could disable them again properly |
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10:44:32 | amiconn | But afaik it's possible to write rockbox.bin instead of the bootloader |
10:44:49 | amiconn | Didn't try that myself yet |
10:45:25 | GodEaterWeb | rockbox.ipod you mean :) |
10:45:31 | GodEaterWeb | and yes - it's perfectly possible |
10:45:39 | GodEaterWeb | it's what I did all the time |
10:46:08 | GodEaterWeb | or you can replace the sleep calls in the bootloader with udelay() calls instead |
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10:47:34 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: yes, i did that |
10:48:02 | GodEaterWeb | but according to amiconn that's a filthy hack and I should have birched myself for doing it :) |
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10:50:33 | amiconn | Maybe we should have a bootloader sleep() which is based on the usec timer |
10:53:05 | BHSPitMonkey | pssh, what a hack |
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10:59:15 | crashd | BHSPitMonkey: yeah, hi, welcome to the rockbox project Ĵ_Ĵ |
10:59:24 | BHSPitMonkey | :D |
10:59:30 | BHSPitMonkey | no need to welcome me |
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11:00:00 | crashd | oh, i know, i was just responding sardonically to your silly comment above ;) |
11:00:47 | BHSPitMonkey | no need to posthumously explain jokes to me, either... |
11:00:59 | crashd | well, i didn't know wether you were 'down with it' |
11:00:59 | crashd | : ) |
11:01:02 | crashd | anyway, some of us have to get to work |
11:01:03 | crashd | adieu |
11:01:03 | BHSPitMonkey | also, in case everyone was wondering, I'm making steady progress on my WPS! still struggling with the progress bar, though. I can't understand it! |
11:01:09 | BHSPitMonkey | farewell |
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11:10:35 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: You can just write rockbox.ipod to your firmware partition with ipodpatcher instead of the bootloader. |
11:10:52 | LinusN | i manage fine with the bootloader |
11:11:09 | linuxstb_ | OK |
11:12:04 | linuxstb_ | And yes, the main reason for not enabling interrupts is to do as little as possible to the hardware in order to keep the Apple firmware happy. But once we get Rolo loading the Apple firmware, we could change the bootloader to do the same thing, if there was a need. |
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11:15:06 | LinusN | linuxstb_: the thing is that there are timeouts and delays in the ATA driver |
11:15:17 | linuxstb_ | I know... |
11:16:16 | GodEaterWeb | which apparently never get called on other iPod targets |
11:16:16 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think about the idea of a special bootloader sleep() |
11:16:37 | linuxstb_ | Yes, we've just been lucky up to now. |
11:16:40 | LinusN | that would at least solve the software reset timing |
11:17:00 | GodEaterWeb | not that the software reset seems to acheive much at the moment |
11:17:02 | amiconn | It would still yield (unlike udelay), and check the usec timer every time the thread is scheduled |
11:17:11 | amiconn | It would just not put the cpu to sleep |
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11:41:48 | DataGhost | sigh |
11:41:51 | DataGhost | that didn't help either |
11:42:00 | DataGhost | hm wrong window |
11:46:18 | voltagex | help |
11:46:35 | voltagex | /usr/local/m68k/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.6/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM is full (/root/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/mpegplayer.elf section .ibss) |
11:54:39 | linuxstb_ | voltagex: Do you have any patches applied? |
11:54:51 | voltagex | linuxstb_: coldfire asm |
11:55:07 | voltagex | I really really want that patch |
11:55:16 | Lynx_ | Will rockbox use replaygain info created by foobar2k, or is it in the wrong kind of tag? |
11:55:54 | linuxstb_ | voltagex: That patch doesn't apply cleanly any more - it tries to make mpegplayer use more IRAM (fast internal RAM) than is available. |
11:56:06 | voltagex | damn |
11:56:08 | voltagex | damn damn damn |
11:56:23 | linuxstb_ | Someone needs to optimise the IRAM usage for Coldfire targets. |
11:59:26 | amiconn | There is no iram problem in svn mpegplayer |
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12:00:18 | voltagex | apparently that patch will increase framerates. |
12:00:45 | luckz | uh |
12:00:52 | luckz | what does "*PANIC*", "Stkov dircache" tell me? |
12:01:22 | petur | somebody ought to increase the stack of dircache a bit |
12:01:27 | luckz | Lynx_: that is the RG info it will use |
12:02:10 | Lynx_ | luckz: ok, i thought there was some problem with ape tags that are not supported or something |
12:02:18 | luckz | uh |
12:02:19 | luckz | that is very likely |
12:02:42 | luckz | or possible |
12:02:44 | austriancoder | whats the current state of the support for multicore targes like portalplayer based ones? |
12:02:46 | luckz | I use ID3v2 tags with foobar 0.9 - they are padded and thus just as fast to write as APE ones |
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12:03:09 | luckz | austriancoder: afaik nothing's really multicore'd yet |
12:03:49 | petur | austriancoder: there's a patch on the tracker |
12:04:11 | linuxstb_ | austriancoder: There is a patch on the patch tracker to run a kernel on the second CPU. With this applied, mpegplayer uses the second core for video decoding, and the main core for audio. |
12:04:48 | linuxstb_ | The patch also moves the codec thread to the second core, but without the big improvements we expected. That's still being investigated. |
12:04:48 | voltagex | linuxstb_: lucky, I'm stuck with 16fps |
12:05:38 | austriancoder | linuxstb_: #5755 ? |
12:05:44 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The part of Karim's patch which moved some of libmpeg2 into IRAM doesn't apply any more. i.e. the SVN version doesn't use IRAM for video. |
12:06:51 | DataGhost | yay, iBoy works on 5.5G 80GB :P |
12:07:07 | linuxstb_ | austriancoder: Yes. |
12:07:40 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: How's your kernel patching going? Can you mount the FAT32 partition yet? |
12:07:47 | DataGhost | no I can't |
12:07:55 | DataGhost | i also tried creating a 512bsector fat32 partition |
12:08:01 | DataGhost | but that didn't get mounted either |
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12:08:22 | DataGhost | and the apparently-working rockbox fat32 driver is still chinese to me |
12:08:27 | DataGhost | I've yet to read and understand it :) |
12:10:37 | GodEaterWeb | I can't find the body of register_disk() that the ipl ide.c is calling either - so I'm no closer coming from the other direction =/ |
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12:12:08 | Bagder | in the kernel? |
12:12:17 | DataGhost | drivers/s390/block/dasd_int.h:78:#define register_disk(dd,dev,partn,ops,size) \ |
12:12:17 | DataGhost | drivers/mtd/ftl.c:86:#define register_disk(dev, drive, minors, ops, size) \ |
12:12:19 | * | Bagder uses 'make TAGS |
12:12:22 | DataGhost | fs/partitions/check.c:378:void register_disk(struct gendisk *gdev, kdev_t dev, unsigned minors, |
12:12:27 | Bagder | and then M-. in emacs |
12:12:29 | DataGhost | GodEaterWeb the last one maybe? |
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12:12:40 | Bagder | for finding functions and stuff kernel |
12:12:49 | Bagder | although I can't type |
12:12:59 | DataGhost | include/linux/blkdev.h:234:extern void register_disk(struct gendisk *dev, kdev_t first, unsigned minors, struct block_device_operations *ops, long size); |
12:13:01 | DataGhost | it's in there aswell |
12:13:12 | DataGhost | looks more logical than the check.c one |
12:13:47 | DataGhost | at least that's where it's defined |
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12:14:00 | DataGhost | I guess the body is in check.c then |
12:14:16 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder - I can find the function all over the place |
12:14:27 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: I don't think that's the right one |
12:14:29 | Bagder | haha |
12:14:35 | Bagder | yeah, those are annoying |
12:14:37 | GodEaterWeb | I can't find the check.c being included anywhere in ide.c |
12:14:54 | DataGhost | no but maybe that's the body from blkdev.h |
12:15:10 | GodEaterWeb | blkdev.h isn't included either |
12:15:15 | DataGhost | I don't see any other .c with that definition |
12:16:14 | GodEaterWeb | nor me |
12:16:21 | GodEaterWeb | which is why I can't find it =/ |
12:16:27 | DataGhost | heh |
12:16:35 | DataGhost | did you get the calltrace thingy working by the way? |
12:16:53 | GodEaterWeb | nope |
12:17:00 | DataGhost | it normally always works for me when I don't want it.. :P |
12:17:10 | GodEaterWeb | that toolchain .sh file you gave me the link for didn't work |
12:17:14 | DataGhost | no? |
12:17:15 | DataGhost | oh |
12:17:17 | DataGhost | tail error? |
12:17:22 | GodEaterWeb | haven't bothered looking for another one while I've been looking through the source |
12:17:36 | DataGhost | another one will be the same |
12:17:39 | DataGhost | it's tail on your pc |
12:17:40 | DataGhost | :) |
12:17:58 | DataGhost | nano −−nonewlines −−noconvert arm<restofthefilename> |
12:18:11 | DataGhost | tail +${SKIP} ${SCRIPT} | gunzip | tar xvf - |
12:18:13 | DataGhost | change that line to |
12:18:16 | DataGhost | tail -n+${SKIP} ${SCRIPT} | gunzip | tar xvf - |
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12:18:25 | DataGhost | and it'll work |
12:18:48 | GodEaterWeb | I'll give that a try |
12:18:48 | pixelma | Bagder: I thought I had read the "since..." links on the frontpage are working - but all I get is "Not found" - was it just my imagination? |
12:18:57 | GodEaterWeb | although I'll use vi if you don't mind ;) |
12:19:13 | Bagder | I think I'll blame Zagor |
12:19:17 | DataGhost | yeah well heh |
12:19:17 | Bagder | but I'll have a looksee |
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12:19:39 | Lynx_ | luckz: ok, the older foobar versions used ape2 tags as standard, but 0.9 uses id3, so it will work with that |
12:19:53 | GodEaterWeb | still got an unexpected end of file |
12:19:56 | Zagor | Bagder: that's my fault. i did a "make clean" again... |
12:20:06 | Bagder | yeah, I figured you did |
12:20:09 | Zagor | we really need to fix that |
12:20:23 | Bagder | imo we should make the makefile use explicit files and not wildcards |
12:20:31 | Zagor | yes |
12:21:08 | Bagder | pixelma: now retry |
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12:21:42 | pixelma | It's working again now. Thanks!:) |
12:22:03 | Bagder | Zagor: maybe "cvs" in "cvs builds" in the menu ought to be changed too... |
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12:22:22 | luckz | Lynx_: the newer foobar still supports ape, but there just is not much reason to use it for mp3s anymore, with ID3v2.4 with unicode and padding and all |
12:22:49 | Lynx_ | luckz: yes, and it defaults to id3 |
12:23:20 | Bagder | man, the www server is now almost flying |
12:23:25 | Zagor | Bagder: haha, yeah |
12:23:26 | Bagder | load average: 0.12 |
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12:30:20 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder: does the tag search thing guarantee to find the definition that's being used in the current file then ? |
12:30:39 | Bagder | it searches the pre-generated TAGS file |
12:30:53 | Bagder | and then loads the file and jumps to that point where the definition is |
12:31:01 | Mikachu | if you get more than one hit you can look at them all |
12:31:09 | Mikachu | in vim it's :tn or :tagnext i think |
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12:31:37 | Mikachu | i guess emacs is something like M-x go-to-the-next-tag-please |
12:31:50 | Bagder | imo, it is a very useful way to find your way in unknown or just large-enough code bases |
12:32:29 | GodEaterWeb | Mikachu: probably :) |
12:32:42 | GodEaterWeb | it looks like it's an inline in the armnommu sysdeps.h then |
12:35:18 | GodEaterWeb | argh |
12:35:30 | GodEaterWeb | but then that makes no sense - it calls somthing else which tags can't find at all! |
12:35:55 | linuxstb_ | And people complain about the Rockbox source being hard to follow... |
12:36:06 | DataGhost | :P |
12:36:10 | DerPapst | heh... |
12:36:12 | DataGhost | i'm still stuck at make TAGS |
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12:36:20 | DataGhost | my etags won't understand - as file |
12:36:23 | DataGhost | it thinks it's an option |
12:36:45 | DataGhost | ah |
12:36:46 | DataGhost | -L - |
12:36:47 | DataGhost | :) |
12:36:58 | GodEaterWeb | I never complained about rockbox code being hard to follow.... |
12:37:10 | linuxstb_ | No, but others do. |
12:37:56 | DataGhost | w00t |
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12:38:13 | DerPapst | ^ sounds like progres o.O |
12:38:19 | DataGhost | yeah |
12:38:21 | DataGhost | it worked |
12:38:28 | DataGhost | now to get an editor which understands TAGS |
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12:41:23 | webguest24 | Hello rockbox |
12:41:41 | Bagder | hello you guest of the web |
12:42:11 | webguest24 | I have a question : is rockboy plugin working on H10 players? |
12:42:19 | Bagder | it does not |
12:42:55 | webguest24 | oh, cause I noticed the last plugin commit and I saw keymapping for h10... |
12:43:02 | Bagder | oh |
12:43:08 | barrywardell | they weren't for rockboy though |
12:43:26 | webguest24 | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/rockboy/rockboy.c?r1=12017&r2=12018 |
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12:43:35 | webguest24 | ah ok |
12:43:38 | Bagder | "elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == SANSA_E200_PAD" |
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12:44:07 | webguest24 | silly me sorry, my hope was too strong :) |
12:44:16 | Bagder | :-) |
12:44:26 | Bagder | dive in and make it happen! |
12:45:01 | webguest24 | I probably don't have the skills required ;) |
12:45:19 | Bagder | it is never too late to learn... |
12:45:45 | DerPapst | i have to go to a lecture :) see you then. |
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12:46:10 | webguest24 | Bagder: indeed, but are the things missing hard to fix? |
12:46:46 | GodEaterWeb | curse you linux kernel - where do you hide the ata reads to get the damn MBR?!?!?! |
12:47:01 | webguest24 | Bagder: for rockboy I mean |
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12:48:32 | webguest24 | minor thing : is normal that in the home rockbox page, the builds section is still named CVS builds for SVN builds ? :) |
12:53:01 | LinusN | wee, no IDNF anymore |
12:53:23 | DataGhost | hm GodEaterWeb |
12:53:38 | DataGhost | if i make the kernel segfault, would it give a calltrace/ |
12:53:41 | DataGhost | or just crash? :P |
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12:55:37 | DataGhost | or would that not even work in a kernel |
12:55:41 | DataGhost | mmmmmm |
12:56:02 | webguest24 | LinusN: Identified Data Not Found ? |
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12:56:14 | * | preglow_ kicks preglow |
12:56:30 | DataGhost | nickserv ghost? |
12:56:40 | preglow_ | my bloody irc shell has hung |
12:56:49 | LinusN | webguest24: yes |
12:56:53 | GodEaterWeb | go on - what did you do ? |
12:57:02 | preglow_ | it just doesn't allow logins anymore |
12:57:28 | * | GodEaterWeb waits for Linus's revelation |
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12:59:49 | * | LinusN is trying to find out what the heck he is doing |
12:59:53 | DataGhost | ah |
12:59:54 | DataGhost | duh |
12:59:57 | DataGhost | I can divide by 0 :D |
13:00 |
13:00:06 | DataGhost | and according to the source it'll backtrace |
13:00:17 | DataGhost | printk("Division by zero in kernel.\n"); |
13:00:17 | DataGhost | __backtrace(); |
13:00:23 | DataGhost | probably don't even need to divide |
13:00:31 | DataGhost | looks like I can just call __backtrace() if it's included in there |
13:00:47 | Bagder | LinusN: hey, we've all been trying to do that for years |
13:00:55 | LinusN | :-) |
13:00:58 | Bagder | :-P |
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13:02:55 | DataGhost | well GodEaterWeb |
13:03:01 | DataGhost | if this works it'll prove once again |
13:03:16 | DataGhost | if you want a debugging output you don't need to search for the proper commands |
13:03:20 | DataGhost | just break something |
13:03:43 | Bagder | http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.3841.5 <= iriver h10 used in the TV series "24"... |
13:03:47 | GodEaterWeb | hehe |
13:03:52 | Bagder | to blow a bomb ;-) |
13:03:58 | DataGhost | lol |
13:04:02 | linuxstb_ | I want that plugin... |
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13:04:17 | DataGhost | linuxstb_ it's explode() |
13:04:50 | DataGhost | oh nice I didn't even have to divide by 0, it just accepts __backtrace(); |
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13:06:02 | * | GodEaterWeb gives up. Clearly the force is strong with LinusN. |
13:06:19 | DataGhost | lol |
13:06:21 | DataGhost | it works |
13:06:31 | DataGhost | but it's not giving very useful output afaik |
13:06:36 | DataGhost | let's take some pictures |
13:10:19 | DataGhost | or there are no debugging symbols in the kernel |
13:10:19 | DataGhost | :z |
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13:13:53 | DataGhost | now there are |
13:13:55 | DataGhost | building... |
13:16:21 | XavierGr | Bagder: Shouldn't the link in the front page (in the left side menu) read "Subversion builds" istead of "CVS builds"? |
13:16:54 | DataGhost | does anyone who needs it not understand what is actually meant? |
13:17:08 | Bagder | I think I favour "commit builds" or similar |
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13:18:09 | XavierGr | Bagder: yeah anything that doesn't have "CVS" in it :P |
13:18:30 | Bagder | "git builds" ? :-) |
13:18:38 | * | Bagder ducks |
13:18:47 | DataGhost | 'stable builds' |
13:18:48 | * | DataGhost runs |
13:19:21 | Genre9mp3 | what about "latest builds" ? |
13:19:52 | DataGhost | bah |
13:19:55 | DataGhost | it's not verbose at all |
13:19:55 | DataGhost | :( |
13:20:02 | DataGhost | same as before |
13:20:33 | Genre9mp3 | ok... how about "download-if-you-dare builds" then? :P |
13:22:10 | preglow_ | wouldn't "latest builds" just do fine? |
13:22:21 | GodEaterWeb | gets my vote preglow |
13:22:23 | Genre9mp3 | yes... that's what I think, too |
13:22:25 | preglow_ | they're the latest builds, after all... |
13:22:53 | linuxstb_ | Works for me. |
13:22:59 | GodEaterWeb | we all know how democratic rockbox is though ;) |
13:23:04 | Bagder | haha |
13:23:21 | DataGhost | bah, I think I just found the wrong backtrace |
13:23:25 | * | GodEaterWeb tries to find the archived email on the project name vote.... |
13:23:29 | DataGhost | or it's because arm can't do better ones |
13:23:36 | Bagder | I'll call it "DONTPRESSTHISLINK" and we can be sure everyone will go there |
13:23:38 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: check the FAQ |
13:23:41 | DataGhost | "Function entered at [<%p>] from [<%p>]\n" |
13:23:45 | DataGhost | that's all it'll say |
13:23:49 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Or just remove the link... |
13:23:57 | DataGhost | <%p> gets replaced with a hex address |
13:24:01 | DataGhost | not a nice function name |
13:24:07 | Bagder | DataGhost: use the System.map |
13:24:14 | DataGhost | you know |
13:24:19 | DataGhost | i actually never thought of that |
13:24:20 | DataGhost | :P |
13:24:24 | DataGhost | thx :) |
13:24:29 | Bagder | I can tell you are a kernel newbie ;-) |
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13:24:34 | DataGhost | yeah |
13:24:35 | * | LinusN has an interesting message on his LCD: "Partition 1: 0x0B 76180MB" |
13:24:42 | DataGhost | only things I've ever hacked were a few bytes to get stuff working |
13:24:46 | linuxstb_ | \o/ |
13:24:47 | Bagder | wooo |
13:24:53 | GodEaterWeb | nice |
13:24:54 | preglow_ | woop, woop, woop! |
13:24:59 | preglow_ | what was wrong? |
13:25:01 | GodEaterWeb | commit commit commit |
13:25:02 | * | linuxstb_ goes to fridge to look for sparkling wine |
13:25:09 | GodEaterWeb | hahahaha |
13:25:11 | DataGhost | heh :) |
13:25:15 | petur | beer will do ;) |
13:25:15 | GodEaterWeb | thought it was Cava ? ;) |
13:25:18 | * | linuxstb_ returns disappointed |
13:25:20 | DataGhost | now... can it actualy read the fat32 too? :P |
13:25:26 | * | preglow_ has celebratory tea... |
13:25:40 | * | Bagder considers a cup of partycoffee to join |
13:25:49 | GodEaterWeb | closest thing to celebratory fluid on my desk is a bottle of squeezy honey |
13:26:00 | LinusN | hehe, as we suspected, the disk has a logical sector size of 2048, and the drive requires us to read multiples of 4 sectors |
13:26:25 | amiconn | uh? |
13:26:27 | linuxstb_ | We suspected that? |
13:26:34 | GodEaterWeb | I don't recally suspecting that |
13:26:35 | LinusN | if we set NSECTORS to a non-multiple of 4, it gives us the finger via IDNF |
13:26:43 | GodEaterWeb | I recall suspecting the opposite |
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13:26:51 | * | Bagder giggles |
13:26:52 | preglow_ | GodEaterWeb: down it! quick! |
13:26:55 | amiconn | Afaiu this deviates from the ata spec |
13:27:04 | GodEaterWeb | I must have *completely* misread the identity info |
13:27:04 | LinusN | amiconn: me too... |
13:27:23 | linuxstb_ | So we need to make all the sector buffers 2048 bytes? |
13:27:28 | GodEaterWeb | preglow: even the thought of downing it makes me queasy |
13:27:33 | * | LinusN goes to lunch with an ATA spec printout |
13:27:49 | preglow_ | wasn't that what slasheri's first patch did? |
13:27:55 | amiconn | The disk does support large sectors, but the identify info says logical sector size is 256 word (512 bytes) |
13:27:55 | preglow_ | turns out it was correct after all? |
13:28:18 | * | GodEaterWeb sulks at the lying info from the drive |
13:29:21 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, that's what bothers me |
13:30:04 | amiconn | preglow: Slasheri's patch didn't make _all_ accesses multiples of 4 sectors |
13:30:23 | DataGhost | so ehh. GodEaterWeb if you need a trace somewhere, just call __backtrace() and use the System.map to search the function names |
13:30:35 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: doesn't look like we need it no |
13:30:38 | amiconn | It would still have stumbled in the very first read - the mbr |
13:30:40 | GodEaterWeb | s/no/now |
13:30:48 | DataGhost | yeah, well.. :) |
13:31:00 | DataGhost | at least you can see how every function is called |
13:31:05 | DataGhost | if you need it |
13:31:06 | | Part voltagex |
13:31:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps we have to set some features explicitly? |
13:32:20 | LinusN | hmmm, wait a sec |
13:32:28 | preglow_ | amiconn: oh, and btw, i think i find a quick solution to make the treble/bass boost filters behave nicely |
13:32:52 | preglow_ | s/find/found |
13:33:03 | LinusN | i might be wrong |
13:33:03 | GodEaterWeb | is the current source tree available as a tarball yet? Or is that feature broken with the SVN server currently ? |
13:33:42 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: I haven't yet investigated why that thing fails, so no it isn't |
13:33:44 | LinusN | the identify info says that there are 2 logical sectors per physical sector |
13:34:05 | DataGhost | :o |
13:34:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, but it also says the logical sector size is 256 words, which would point to a physical sector size of 1024 bytes, not 2048 |
13:34:20 | LinusN | so it might mean that i need to use multiples of 2 |
13:34:24 | GodEaterWeb | that's what I understood it say too |
13:34:35 | * | GodEaterWeb agrees with amiconn |
13:34:53 | GodEaterWeb | this is where the ATA spec is unclear |
13:35:01 | DataGhost | by the way Bagder, I don't know if you read my post |
13:35:09 | amiconn | Iiuc the ata specs say that you can read single logical sectors, but performance might be degraded when writing |
13:35:11 | DataGhost | but my 'fix' clearly shows me being a kernel newbie I think |
13:35:11 | DataGhost | :P |
13:35:12 | GodEaterWeb | for unclear read "downright contradicts itself" |
13:35:18 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
13:35:54 | LinusN | ok, it is sufficient with multiples of 2 |
13:36:06 | GodEaterWeb | what a PITA |
13:36:12 | amiconn | LinusN: Maybe there is a feature we need to enable? |
13:36:19 | LinusN | perhaps |
13:36:20 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: to do what ? |
13:37:26 | amiconn | to read single logical sectors |
13:38:21 | GodEaterWeb | I've read that ATA spec till my eyes have bled. I can't recall seeing sucha feature. |
13:39:22 | GodEaterWeb | oh well - I can't do much without a source tree till I get home. |
13:39:26 | GodEaterWeb | I'm going to lunch :) |
13:39:35 | DataGhost | hf |
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13:39:45 | Genre9mp3 | Can someone please kill the damn logbot? I begin to feel logaholic... you have to help me! |
13:39:59 | * | Genre9mp3 starts reading the logs again... |
13:40:07 | scorche | i love logbot... |
13:40:09 | Mikachu | i could imagine funner channel logs to read |
13:40:09 | Bagder | you can buy our "relief from logbot" cure |
13:40:12 | Bagder | only 99$ |
13:40:39 | Bagder | and if you buy now, you also get the "scorche singing" mp3 bundled |
13:40:42 | preglow_ | which is an ip block in apache? :P |
13:40:58 | Genre9mp3 | oh...only $99 with scorche singing? nice offer! :) |
13:41:02 | preglow_ | wait, i also sing for money! |
13:41:20 | preglow_ | i actually do lots of stuff for money |
13:41:24 | preglow_ | feel free to drop bids |
13:41:26 | Bagder | ok, the auction is up, for 98$ you get preglow instead ;-) |
13:41:30 | scorche | i only sing odes to logbot |
13:42:09 | preglow_ | for about 10Â$, i'll drink a fancy beer and talk about it here for an hour, how's about that |
13:42:15 | LinusN | Appendix C: "Supporting unaligned write operations is optional, but highly recommended to maintain backward compatibility with software." |
13:42:47 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Is this in hex. $ ??? |
13:42:52 | LinusN | lunch time |
13:43:45 | amiconn | How about unaligned reads? |
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13:51:24 | GodEaterWeb | there's no such thing as an unaligned read as far as ATA-7 is concerned |
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13:52:29 | GodEaterWeb | AFAIU, a single logical sector read on a large physical sector device results in the device reading the whole physical sector, and only returning the part of the sector related to the logical sector requested. |
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13:53:49 | GodEaterWeb | the only reason there's a perf. hit on writing is if you try to write an unaligned logical sector, then the device first has to read the whole physical sector, replace the content of the logical sector with the content of the write request, and then re-write the whole physical sector |
13:54:21 | GodEaterWeb | although how there's no perf. hit on an aligned logical sector I don't get - since that would imply it can write partial physical sectors anyway |
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13:55:19 | amiconn | The point is not aligned vs. unaligned, but partial vs. complete |
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13:55:37 | * | amiconn is familiar with this concept because of his work on the Ondio MMC driver |
13:55:43 | GodEaterWeb | really? that's not the way I read it =/ |
13:56:07 | GodEaterWeb | still - you're the hw guru - I bow to your greater experience :) |
13:56:38 | amiconn | MMCs have a block size which is 512bytes up to 1GB, but is 1024bytes from 1GB to 2GB, and 2048bytes from 2GB to 4GB |
13:57:02 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparm.txt if at all useful |
13:57:13 | DataGhost | i noticed that it doens't give a 'drive conforms to' line |
13:57:16 | amiconn | But the sectors as seen by the file system are always 512bytes, so the mmc driver has to combine on write, and split on read |
13:57:27 | GodEaterWeb | how irritating |
13:57:55 | amiconn | Partial write accesses cause the very same performance hit as described in the ata 7 specs |
13:57:56 | GodEaterWeb | ipl has got udma working ?!? |
13:58:06 | DataGhost | yes apparently :) |
13:58:14 | DataGhost | that was in the identity info by the way |
13:58:18 | DataGhost | udma4 = max supported |
13:58:21 | DataGhost | and apparently it works too |
13:58:41 | GodEaterWeb | I didn't think the ata dma stuff was understood for portal player |
13:58:42 | DataGhost | helios linux # grep "conforms" /mnt/ipod/sbin/hdparm |
13:58:42 | DataGhost | Binary file /mnt/ipod/sbin/hdparm matches |
13:58:43 | DataGhost | grrr |
13:58:52 | DataGhost | so it just doesn't conform to anything as far as hdparm is concerned |
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13:59:29 | DataGhost | Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 0: ATA/ATAPI-1 ATA/ATAPI-2 ATA/ATAPI-3 ATA/ATAPI-4 ATA/ATAPI-5 ATA/ATAPI-6 ATA/ATAPI-7 <- that's what it says on my server's 200GB drive |
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14:00:17 | DataGhost | oh |
14:00:22 | DataGhost | let's try hdparm -I |
14:00:23 | DataGhost | :D |
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14:02:00 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparmI.txt |
14:02:09 | DataGhost | Standards: |
14:02:09 | DataGhost | Likely used: 6 |
14:02:34 | DataGhost | so it's quite unclear, heh |
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14:03:00 | GodEaterWeb | still pretty sure it was uses 7 myself |
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14:03:31 | DataGhost | well hdparm just guesses afaik |
14:03:43 | DataGhost | since the drive doesn't return a standard |
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14:10:35 | robin0800 | whois badger |
14:10:43 | Mikachu | two errors there |
14:11:04 | robin0800 | who is badger |
14:11:19 | Mikachu | you don't mean /whois Bagder ? |
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14:11:36 | DataGhost | [INFO] 1 64260 156301487 305150.8 W95 FAT32 (0x0b) |
14:11:39 | scorche | a swell fellow? |
14:11:41 | DataGhost | there's still something wrong though :D |
14:11:48 | * | GodEaterWeb is amazed at the number of people who can't spell Bagder |
14:11:54 | DataGhost | 305 MB? heh. |
14:11:57 | DataGhost | GB* |
14:12:06 | Bagder | yay! ;-) |
14:12:09 | Bagder | laaarge disk |
14:12:13 | DataGhost | hehe |
14:12:18 | DataGhost | well I did edit that manually |
14:12:27 | DataGhost | and since I did that I can create partitions this big with fdisk? :o |
14:12:31 | DataGhost | before I couldn't |
14:13:19 | GodEaterWeb | I'd got back to an un-hacked MBR if I were you ;) |
14:13:26 | DataGhost | yeah well :P |
14:13:54 | DataGhost | I can neither read fat32 nor boot apple OS at the moment |
14:13:57 | DataGhost | so that's not very important :P |
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14:14:12 | DataGhost | linux seems to have no problem mounting my fat32 partition though |
14:14:21 | DataGhost | but that's probably because the size is defined in the header |
14:14:25 | GwaiLo | Hi, I've been looking through the website and while I can find references to say the 2nd gen nano isn't currently supported, I'm struggling to find any info on whether support is being worked on, and if so, how far along it is ... anyone who can point me to the right page, it would be most appreciated :) |
14:14:46 | GodEaterWeb | GwaiLo: it's not being worked on at all as ar as I nkow |
14:14:52 | GodEaterWeb | s/nkow/know |
14:15:26 | GwaiLo | GodEaterWeb: thanks :) |
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14:18:46 | Lynx_ | GwaiLo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 |
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14:21:53 | GwaiLo | Lynx_: ah excellent, thanks |
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14:32:02 | DataGhost | now.. what to make for lunch |
14:32:06 | DataGhost | brb :) |
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14:38:08 | Bagder | DataGhost: btw, print_fn_descriptor_symbol() might be interesing for you |
14:38:24 | Bagder | at least there's such a beast in 2.6 |
14:38:30 | DataGhost | :) |
14:38:44 | Bagder | I can't remember what 2.4 was like ;-) |
14:38:52 | DataGhost | helios linux # grep -nRi "print_fn_desc" * |
14:38:52 | DataGhost | helios linux # |
14:38:54 | DataGhost | not like that |
14:38:56 | DataGhost | heh |
14:40:04 | preglow_ | why run 2.4? |
14:40:12 | GodEaterWeb | that's wot iPL is based on |
14:40:14 | GodEaterWeb | eek |
14:40:15 | Bagder | IPL is 2.4 |
14:40:16 | GodEaterWeb | I mean what |
14:40:17 | preglow_ | roit, roit |
14:40:19 | DataGhost | :) |
14:40:36 | Mikachu | hardyharhar |
14:40:39 | Bagder | but no, 2.4 is generally frowned upon by the powers that be |
14:41:02 | Bagder | like the arm kernel guys |
14:41:12 | GodEaterWeb | in the same way that I'm sure 2.6 will be once 2.8 is out there |
14:41:19 | Bagder | indeed |
14:41:24 | preglow_ | i frown on linux in its entirety |
14:41:33 | * | preglow_ wants more preemptibility |
14:41:36 | Mikachu | turn that frown upside down |
14:41:41 | GodEaterWeb | more? |
14:41:50 | Mikachu | did you try -rt? (i haven't) |
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14:41:54 | preglow_ | working with low-latency sound on a stock linux kernel is... interesting |
14:42:06 | preglow_ | Mikachu: yes, and it works lovely |
14:42:12 | preglow_ | not lets stuff that patch in mainline, and quick! |
14:42:12 | GodEaterWeb | this is *with* the preemptible kernel ? |
14:42:41 | preglow_ | there was a story a couple of months ago about linux going to include ingo molnars rt patch |
14:42:44 | Mikachu | aren't they going to merge -rt soon? or did i dream that |
14:42:52 | preglow_ | even interviewed them, but somehow, it didn't seem to happen |
14:42:57 | preglow_ | the patch is just as big now as it ever was |
14:42:58 | GodEaterWeb | rt = realtime ? |
14:43:00 | preglow_ | yea |
14:43:01 | DataGhost | yes |
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14:43:44 | Mikachu | he still releases a new -rt like every day, so maybe there are still some issues to work out |
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14:44:00 | preglow_ | that patch must be a nightmare to maintain |
14:44:04 | preglow_ | but it's a worthy effort |
14:44:18 | preglow_ | maybe i should give the rt kernel a stab again |
14:44:35 | preglow_ | i just need to figure out how the hell to make the nvidia driver work with custom kernels |
14:44:44 | Mikachu | i just run "make install" |
14:44:48 | Mikachu | it seems to work fine |
14:45:04 | preglow_ | didn't here |
14:45:11 | preglow_ | had to revert to the opensource nvidia driver |
14:45:13 | preglow_ | which is shite |
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14:45:14 | Mikachu | i just have -ck, maybe it's less invasive |
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14:45:31 | DataGhost | http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07jan/uf009907.gif |
14:45:32 | DataGhost | haha |
14:45:40 | * | GodEaterWeb uses the i810 intel driver which is both OS and lovely |
14:45:48 | preglow_ | Mikachu: oh, by far |
14:45:58 | Mikachu | i meant maybe that's why, it obviously is |
14:46:04 | preglow_ | Mikachu: i think it doesn't really work nearly as good either |
14:46:21 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: hehehehe - nice |
14:46:21 | preglow_ | Mikachu: who maintains that patch again? |
14:46:27 | Mikachu | i'm not using it for low latency audio though |
14:46:34 | Mikachu | con kolivas |
14:46:43 | Mikachu | he's currently absorbed by studying japanese in his spare time though |
14:46:57 | Mikachu | that came out strange in english |
14:47:03 | preglow_ | bah |
14:47:07 | preglow_ | that'll keep him occupied for years |
14:47:15 | Mikachu | i think he might even be in japan as we speak |
14:47:24 | preglow_ | but yeah |
14:47:35 | w1ll14m|work | I was thinking, isn't it opssible to shutdown the whole LC |
14:47:38 | preglow_ | low-latency audio is an area linux just can't cope with |
14:47:39 | w1ll14m|work | D controller |
14:47:56 | w1ll14m|work | after an specified amount of time ofcourse |
14:48:05 | preglow_ | especially using jack |
14:48:11 | Mikachu | it's not designed for it, so no big surprise |
14:48:22 | preglow_ | no, it's bloody designed for servers |
14:48:26 | Mikachu | w1ll14m|work: for what target? |
14:48:33 | w1ll14m|work | ipod 5g |
14:48:54 | Mikachu | someone told me the nano uses the same one as the h300, so i tried porting the lcd shutdown code from there, but failed miserably |
14:48:57 | w1ll14m|work | i think it saves a lot of battery |
14:49:26 | Mikachu | i don't know if the 5g is known in that area |
14:49:51 | Bagder | preglow: linux runs very fine in looooads of embedded stuff |
14:49:56 | w1ll14m|work | also the shutdown cleares screen and then shutdown (else you have those strange dots at LCD) |
14:50:03 | Bagder | whatever it "was designed for" |
14:50:21 | preglow_ | Bagder: sure, but it needs to be patched quite heavily for reliable realtime stuff |
14:50:38 | Bagder | well, "realtime" by your very strict requirements perhaps |
14:50:45 | Bagder | not for the everyday realtime uses |
14:50:46 | preglow_ | well, i have no choice but require it strict |
14:50:50 | w1ll14m|work | brb |
14:50:59 | preglow_ | if you're gonna use a computer for audio, it needs to not glitch |
14:51:12 | Bagder | it depends on what audio |
14:51:35 | preglow_ | sure |
14:51:38 | Mikachu | at a live concert it would be quite important |
14:51:43 | Bagder | like the settop guys use linux fine |
14:52:19 | preglow_ | but if you're using it to decode 32 speaker's worth of realtime audio, you really don't want it to glitch at anything but trivial volume |
14:52:23 | preglow_ | speakers even |
14:52:45 | Bagder | hah, then I would say using linux is the wrong choice |
14:52:53 | preglow_ | haha |
14:52:54 | preglow_ | and i might agree |
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14:53:04 | Mikachu | what would you use? |
14:53:07 | preglow_ | though ingo's patch does seem to work fine |
14:53:10 | Bagder | something more RTOS-like |
14:53:15 | DataGhost | qnx |
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14:53:21 | preglow_ | you don't need it that hard |
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14:53:24 | preglow_ | windows works just fine, for example |
14:53:28 | DataGhost | beos would be nice if it were still developed |
14:53:31 | GodEaterWeb | I was going to suggest QNX as well |
14:53:43 | DataGhost | too bad they never did that |
14:53:49 | DataGhost | booting under 30 secs on a p1 133 |
14:53:55 | DataGhost | and decoding 2 mp3s at the same time!!!1 |
14:53:56 | DataGhost | :P |
14:54:11 | DataGhost | you could only imagine doing that on windows |
14:54:14 | preglow_ | would that like leavy time for _anything_ on a p1 133? :-) |
14:54:25 | preglow_ | i remember my p1 75 barely being able to decode an mp3 |
14:54:37 | Mikachu | i played an mp3 on a 25mhz 486sx |
14:54:46 | GodEaterWeb | must have sounded good |
14:54:47 | GodEaterWeb | :) |
14:54:49 | DataGhost | :P |
14:54:50 | Mikachu | (at 8 bits, 11khz, mono) |
14:54:51 | DataGhost | 1kbps |
14:54:53 | DataGhost | ah |
14:55:05 | Mikachu | took like one minute to register i pressed the stop button |
14:55:11 | DataGhost | hehehe |
14:55:13 | preglow_ | but anyway |
14:55:18 | preglow_ | windows works just fine for that kind of work |
14:55:24 | preglow_ | and it's not exactly a hard-realtime os |
14:55:50 | DataGhost | beh.. can't wait until saturday |
14:55:58 | DataGhost | 1160GBs of storage coming my way \o/ |
14:56:00 | preglow_ | they say macs work great for sound, too |
14:56:11 | preglow_ | too bad i'm not willing to pay through my nose for one |
14:56:19 | DataGhost | hehe |
14:56:27 | DataGhost | well in the benelux, you can buy crisps |
14:56:28 | GodEaterWeb | would that not implay *BSD would be equally good ? |
14:56:37 | DataGhost | and in those bags you'll find a code |
14:56:39 | preglow_ | GodEaterWeb: not really, no |
14:56:44 | DataGhost | you can enter that on a website, play a game |
14:56:44 | GodEaterWeb | no / |
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14:56:47 | preglow_ | GodEaterWeb: it's not like mac os x is untweaked bsd |
14:56:48 | DataGhost | and if you win you get a macbook |
14:56:53 | GodEaterWeb | true true |
14:56:55 | DataGhost | so you don't have to pay :P |
14:56:56 | kajupa | @find warren zevon |
14:57:04 | Mikachu | uh |
14:57:04 | preglow_ | kajupa: what the hell is up with you people |
14:57:17 | Mikachu | who are "you people"? |
14:57:21 | kajupa | what am I doing wrong? |
14:57:29 | preglow_ | people who join just to spam bot commands |
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14:57:42 | kajupa | i'm not spamming |
14:57:46 | kajupa | I'm looking for a song |
14:57:53 | Mikachu | this is freenode |
14:57:54 | preglow_ | in #rockbox ? |
14:57:58 | DataGhost | hehe |
14:58:06 | DataGhost | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp |
14:58:06 | DataGhost | now there's a song |
14:58:14 | kajupa | can't I find any songs here? |
14:58:18 | DataGhost | no, lol |
14:58:21 | DataGhost | this is not a warez-channel |
14:58:22 | kajupa | why not? |
14:58:27 | DataGhost | at least.. |
14:58:28 | DataGhost | :P |
14:58:32 | DataGhost | last time i checked |
14:58:41 | kajupa | i'm not that familiar with IRC |
14:58:48 | kajupa | can you tell where to go then? |
14:58:50 | Bagder | kajupa: this channel is about Rockbox |
14:58:52 | GodEaterWeb | not unless rockbox counts as warez now ;) |
14:58:54 | DataGhost | i'm familiar enough to tell you you're not in the right place |
14:59:01 | DataGhost | and nobody will tell you where to go |
14:59:03 | DataGhost | it's illegal |
14:59:07 | kajupa | ok, thx for the information |
14:59:14 | Mikachu | we can tell you to go away |
14:59:14 | DataGhost | if you want to find a song |
14:59:18 | DataGhost | go to the local record store |
14:59:20 | DataGhost | buy the cd |
14:59:25 | kajupa | as if you're never doing something illegal ;-) |
14:59:35 | Bagder | no we don't |
14:59:37 | Mikachu | not on publically logged channels! :) |
14:59:42 | DataGhost | hehe |
14:59:48 | Bagder | we are all saints |
14:59:58 | DataGhost | the FBI watches this channel by the way |
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15:00:02 | * | GodEaterWeb polishes his halo |
15:00:06 | kajupa | oh, hy to the feds |
15:00:22 | kajupa | i came here because I saw something on this website |
15:00:24 | DataGhost | they've found your IP |
15:00:25 | kajupa | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-04/0511.shtml |
15:00:33 | * | Mikachu polishes his HELO and connects to a pop3 server |
15:00:34 | DataGhost | it's 127.232.10.53 |
15:00:38 | kajupa | the song I was looking for was mentioned on this site |
15:00:39 | DataGhost | ping it and see for yourself |
15:00:48 | kajupa | so I thought I could find it here |
15:00:58 | Bagder | kajupa: this is not a site |
15:01:07 | DataGhost | so. the song was mentioned in a mailing list almost 3 years ago |
15:01:18 | DataGhost | listing the contents of somebody's harddrive |
15:01:19 | DataGhost | lol. |
15:01:51 | DataGhost | perhaps more interesting than getting fat32 to work on 5.5G 80GB is |
15:02:02 | DataGhost | how the heck do people end up here searching for a song, based on that e-mail |
15:02:03 | GodEaterWeb | no it's not |
15:02:08 | kajupa | i couldn't find the song anywhere else |
15:02:11 | GodEaterWeb | that's WAY more interesting |
15:02:17 | kajupa | not even on I-Tunes |
15:02:17 | DataGhost | hehe |
15:02:24 | kajupa | so if I can't find it the legal way ... |
15:02:34 | DataGhost | kajupa as far as it's not clear yet, you will most definitely NOT find it in here |
15:02:44 | kajupa | ok, that's clear to me now |
15:02:52 | kajupa | I just wanted to explain how I ended up here |
15:02:55 | DataGhost | google for the artist, go to his website and buy the album from there? or amazon or whatever |
15:03:01 | kajupa | and I still hope someone could redirect me |
15:03:07 | DataGhost | I just did. |
15:03:18 | kajupa | been there, done that, couldn't find it |
15:04:00 | preglow_ | woop, shell's back |
15:04:01 | preglow_ | bye |
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15:04:11 | preglow | woop, woop |
15:04:15 | GodEaterWeb | http://music.allofmp3.com/search.shtml?search=warren+zevon&x=0&y=0&sg=1&sa=1&ss=1&result=ON&range=all&searchaud=yes&rezult=ON |
15:04:20 | Mikachu | wb preglow |
15:04:21 | DataGhost | strange indeed |
15:04:30 | DataGhost | maybe you need to have your eyes checked kajupa |
15:04:41 | DataGhost | i just found it on amazon at the same time GodEaterWeb found it somewhere else |
15:05:09 | GodEaterWeb | I charge $50 per google I do on behalf of someone else |
15:05:14 | GodEaterWeb | you can paypal it to me |
15:05:17 | DataGhost | :P |
15:05:28 | DataGhost | and you made a typo |
15:05:30 | DataGhost | so you had to google again |
15:06:19 | kajupa | ok, thx for the help |
15:06:28 | Bagder | midgey34 is now a rockbox committer |
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15:07:37 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: how many svn commiters so far? |
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15:07:54 | Bagder | 34 |
15:08:06 | Mikachu | so midgey34 is the 34th? |
15:08:08 | Genre9mp3 | and IIRC we had 64 before the switch? |
15:08:25 | Bagder | 66 even |
15:08:26 | pondlife | Bagder: Don't know if you noticed, but the new SVN build changes link isn't quite working... |
15:08:34 | Bagder | I noticed |
15:08:46 | Bagder | I did a little fix now so we'll see again at next commit |
15:08:53 | pondlife | Thanks |
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15:09:30 | Bagder | 'svnversion' reports an additional 'M' on the rev number if the local repo is changed |
15:09:39 | Bagder | which I think messed up my script |
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15:11:56 | w1ll14m|work | dataghost, which crisps are you taliking about ?? |
15:11:58 | * | Bagder hands robin0800 a '/' as he seems to miss that a lot |
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15:13:17 | DataGhost | w1ll14m|away lay's |
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15:14:05 | w1ll14m|work | Dataghost: is that true, hmmmm then ll have to eat more crisps because i didn't know that ;) |
15:14:10 | amiconn | debauched_sloth: Your DRMODE_SOLID optimisation for gigabeat is buggy |
15:14:12 | DataGhost | hehe |
15:14:18 | amiconn | It actually works like DRMODE_FG |
15:14:26 | DataGhost | well, the top 4 players get a laptop every day |
15:14:29 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost: where are you from ? |
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15:14:40 | debauched_sloth | amiconn: I know, just checked in a fix. will move to all targets in a bit |
15:14:41 | DataGhost | and a 5th laptop is given out to someone else, random |
15:14:47 | DataGhost | every day january/februari |
15:14:53 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost:ok |
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15:14:57 | amiconn | ...and I don't understand why (1) only DRMODE_SOLID is (supposed to be) optimised |
15:14:57 | DataGhost | i'm from NL |
15:15:02 | DataGhost | Oss |
15:15:05 | DataGhost | :) |
15:15:05 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost whaha me to ;) |
15:15:12 | amiconn | ...and all other 16-bit-LCD arm targets could profit as well |
15:15:12 | DataGhost | Oss too? or NL :P |
15:15:17 | w1ll14m|work | NL ;) |
15:15:20 | DataGhost | ah :) |
15:15:22 | markun | DataGhost: I lived in Tilburg all my life |
15:15:31 | debauched_sloth | amiconn: I pulled a log of all the draws and that was, BY FAR, the one used most often |
15:15:33 | * | amiconn thinks about changing the structure of this opt a little, and add coldfire asm code too |
15:16:14 | debauched_sloth | I redid it in C and merged the code a bit, added a couple of more drawmodes |
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15:16:48 | w1ll14m|work | Dataghost:Oss? |
15:17:07 | debauched_sloth | I may go back and redo the assembler, if I think there is win there - it might be interesting to see what pipelineing the function / unrolling would do for ARM |
15:17:13 | DataGhost | yes |
15:17:25 | w1ll14m|work | What's Oss? |
15:17:32 | Plouj- | is there a text based version of the manual for viewing in rockbox? |
15:17:49 | DataGhost | lol |
15:17:51 | DataGhost | it's a city |
15:17:54 | DataGhost | near den bosch :) |
15:18:05 | w1ll14m|work | ok, never ehard of it ;) |
15:18:10 | Mikachu | do all people in Oss use OSS software? |
15:18:20 | w1ll14m|work | whahahha don't think so ;) |
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15:19:42 | DataGhost | hehe |
15:19:57 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost, i live in schoorl |
15:20:12 | w1ll14m|work | it's a dead and small village in the netherlands ;) |
15:20:38 | DataGhost | yeah I've been there once |
15:20:46 | DataGhost | with my grandparents -_- |
15:20:47 | w1ll14m|work | Yeah you did ? |
15:20:51 | w1ll14m|work | whahaha ;) |
15:21:23 | w1ll14m|work | in the summer there are much tourists mostly german |
15:21:34 | w1ll14m|work | and in the winters, it's just dead |
15:21:46 | Mikachu | german tourists are everywhere :( |
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15:21:56 | w1ll14m|work | whahahha ;) just like a virus.... |
15:22:01 | w1ll14m|work | jkin :) |
15:22:04 | amiconn | Mikachu: What is "Software Software"? |
15:22:15 | DataGhost | hehe |
15:22:20 | Mikachu | amiconn: i realized that after i typed it :) |
15:22:28 | Mikachu | but OS software and just OSS would have been less clear |
15:23:08 | * | Mikachu gives amiconn some readonly cdrom discs |
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15:23:19 | w1ll14m|work | Mikachu: in the summer schoorl has three times as much people walking around then in the winter |
15:23:23 | w1ll14m|work | s |
15:23:29 | Mikachu | do they go to summer school? |
15:23:50 | w1ll14m|work | Mikachu:schoorl is the village i live :) |
15:24:14 | w1ll14m|work | it's in the netherlands.... and i don't think they came to schoorl for any schools |
15:24:37 | Mikachu | i know, i was just making another bad pun |
15:25:10 | w1ll14m|work | thought so ;) |
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15:27:32 | w1ll14m|work | they say dutch is a german language, i think not.... i think german is a dutch language :) |
15:27:49 | w1ll14m|work | lol |
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15:29:34 | w1ll14m|work | rockbox + heavy eq configuration + http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/resources/products/image1/sonyMDREX90LP.jpg is a SUPER combo :) |
15:29:57 | w1ll14m|work | damn, i love this sound quality! |
15:30:09 | luckz | eq & sound quality? |
15:30:22 | w1ll14m|work | luckz: yeah :) |
15:30:34 | preglow | don't dare badmouth my eq |
15:30:43 | w1ll14m|work | whahhaha |
15:30:44 | preglow | it massages the sound to loveliness |
15:31:00 | w1ll14m|work | preglow: did you wrote the eq |
15:31:02 | w1ll14m|work | ? |
15:32:24 | * | DataGhost stops dev-attempting |
15:32:33 | DataGhost | have to get some medicine for my rabbit in a bit |
15:32:47 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost: why ? |
15:32:53 | DataGhost | because he needs it |
15:33:01 | DataGhost | god. i'll need to go through nijmegen |
15:33:11 | DataGhost | with that 3-lane-roundabout without any markings etc |
15:33:15 | luckz | what's wrong with nijmegen? |
15:33:15 | luckz | ah. |
15:33:18 | DataGhost | heh |
15:33:21 | luckz | no markings? |
15:33:23 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost:Okay, your lucky that you still have your rabbit :) a lot was stolen for christmas diner |
15:33:28 | DataGhost | last time I went there i needed to go left |
15:33:30 | DataGhost | so 3/4 around |
15:34:14 | luckz | DataGhost: I'm still weirdened out for life by .NL employing *green* lines to seperate opposing lanes in places |
15:34:32 | DataGhost | oh |
15:34:35 | DataGhost | that's to indicate the speed |
15:34:38 | DataGhost | not my decision |
15:34:41 | DataGhost | !! :P |
15:34:46 | w1ll14m|work | heheheh |
15:35:12 | luckz | to indicate *speed*? |
15:35:19 | luckz | I need that explained. |
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15:35:34 | luckz | I also need preglow to explain how to 'massage sound to loveliness' using the rockbox EQ |
15:35:37 | w1ll14m|work | lukz:in the netherlands there is a speed limit |
15:35:49 | luckz | I know they have a speed limit, every country does ;) |
15:36:23 | w1ll14m|work | luckz: just jkin ;) |
15:36:51 | luckz | well, despite having a speed limit and huge fines for crossing that when caught, some people still got themselves killed in NL a few days ago driving 190 |
15:36:53 | DataGhost | well luckz |
15:36:53 | DataGhost | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=47.15984,7.910156&sspn=57.369644,102.919922&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=51.84215,5.859479&spn=0.001591,0.003141&t=k&om=1 |
15:36:56 | DataGhost | that is one like it |
15:36:56 | luckz | not even on some highway or anything |
15:37:02 | DataGhost | but not the one I had back then I think |
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15:38:04 | tucoz_work | I came to think of something. What do you think about rockbox applying for SoC? |
15:38:12 | DataGhost | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=19&ll=51.824869,5.791852&spn=0.001591,0.003141&t=k that one, most definitely |
15:38:17 | tucoz_work | To fix some outstanding issues (not sure what though) |
15:38:18 | luckz | SoC? |
15:38:23 | tucoz_work | Summer of Code |
15:38:28 | linuxstb_ | tucoz_work: It's been mentioned before. Do you know when applications open? |
15:38:48 | DataGhost | normally it's way more crowded around there luckz :P |
15:38:52 | linuxstb_ | I think the problem is that we need to find mentors. |
15:39:07 | tucoz_work | not sure. i know it's been mentioned before, just wanted to bring it up in time to consider it |
15:39:38 | tucoz_work | google doesn't provide us with mentors? bleeh ;) |
15:40:05 | tucoz_work | a wmv decoder could be a valid task |
15:40:15 | tucoz_work | a fixed point one |
15:40:18 | linuxstb_ | Not wma? |
15:40:21 | tucoz_work | wma |
15:40:22 | tucoz_work | sorry |
15:40:29 | DataGhost | hehe |
15:40:59 | linuxstb_ | Similarly, a better decoder for AAC - e.g. a fixed-point version of the one written for ffmpeg last summer in SoC. |
15:41:15 | linuxstb_ | Or someone to hack the 2nd Gen Nano's encryption... |
15:41:18 | tucoz_work | hehe |
15:41:27 | linuxstb_ | Or the Zune... |
15:41:52 | * | debauched_sloth wonders how Eric Schmidt, Google CEO and Apple board member, is going to like a SoC application for a better AAC decoder |
15:41:58 | tucoz_work | would be fun if it was microsoft that hosted the SoC, and we applied for 'hack the Zune' |
15:42:15 | w1ll14m|work | Dataghost:http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=schoorl,+netherlands&sll=51.84215,5.859479&sspn=0.004826,0.010718&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=52.711187,4.697693&spn=0.001196,0.004463&t=h&om=1 |
15:42:26 | w1ll14m|work | my naberhood :) |
15:42:32 | w1ll14m|work | naberhood |
15:42:46 | w1ll14m|work | lol |
15:42:50 | DataGhost | :) |
15:42:53 | DataGhost | anyway i have to go now |
15:42:58 | DataGhost | bb in an hour~~ |
15:43:00 | w1ll14m|work | well cya later :) |
15:43:01 | DataGhost | :w |
15:43:06 | luckz | bye |
15:46:21 | DataGhost | time machine!!!!!!!111 |
15:46:42 | DataGhost | about the moment I got in the car, my phone screamed to get some attention |
15:46:52 | DataGhost | they're out of stock apparently |
15:46:56 | DataGhost | so I'll have to try again tomorrow |
15:47:08 | amiconn | debauched_sloth: The way it's implemented now, it would work for all 16bit lcd targets |
15:47:50 | amiconn | Hmm, case DRMODE_INVERSEVID is a bit ambiguous to read |
15:48:11 | amiconn | DRMODE_INVERSEVID isn't a drawmode of its own, it's a modifier for the others |
15:48:12 | debauched_sloth | amiconn: yes it will, and yes I will merge across |
15:48:15 | tucoz_work | doesn't look like the SoC 07 pages are up yet |
15:48:35 | amiconn | Effectively there are 8 possible draw modes |
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15:49:04 | tucoz_work | i would think that rockbox would have a fair chance of being accepted as a mentoring org. though (as long as we have mentors) |
15:49:12 | amiconn | DRMODE_SOLID, DRMODE_FG, DRMODE_BG, DRMODE_COMPLEMENT, and these 4 or'ed with DRMODE_INVERSEVID |
15:49:32 | tucoz_work | http://code.google.com/soc/ |
15:49:58 | debauched_sloth | amiconn: good catch, that should be DR_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSVID |
15:50:13 | amiconn | yes |
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15:55:16 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=56563&topic=10444 |
15:57:12 | tucoz_work | thanks. although i could never be a mentor for this, it doesn't look too tedious |
15:57:59 | Genre9mp3 | sounds interesting project though |
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15:58:52 | tucoz_work | yes. i think it's worth considering at least. |
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16:02:55 | preglow | naberhood <- word of the day |
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16:03:20 | DataGhost | hehe |
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16:07:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Change links in th ebuild table don't wok properly |
16:08:04 | Bagder | oh weird |
16:08:38 | Mikachu | and some image links point to build. instead of www. |
16:08:41 | amiconn | Oh, and the rockbox logo in the side menu in the change pages seems to not exist on the server |
16:09:37 | Juice^ | howdy |
16:09:47 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Will you be changing the builds to be identified by revision number, instead of (or as well as) the date? |
16:09:58 | Bagder | that's the plan, yes |
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16:12:27 | Bagder | ok, log output adjusted once again |
16:12:41 | Bagder | I had forgot the -v for svn log |
16:13:13 | sudeep | hi guys.. I know rockbox is open source, can I use the source for another similar open source project? do I need permission from any person(s)? |
16:13:37 | Febs | Rockbox is licensed under the GPL. |
16:13:45 | linuxstb | You have permission in the GPL... |
16:14:08 | sudeep | So I can use the source for any other project? |
16:14:20 | linuxstb | What license is used for your other project? |
16:14:29 | Bagder | if you just adhere to the licence you can use it for anything |
16:14:51 | sudeep | It will be open source, not decided on a license yet. If it is GPL? |
16:15:51 | Febs | If it is GPL, there is no problem. If it is not GPL, it needs to be GPL compatible. |
16:16:05 | w1ll14m|work | preglow: my english is little bad ;) |
16:16:22 | Febs | For example, if the license you choose imposes restrictions that are impermissible under the GPL, then you cannot use GPL-licensed code. |
16:17:05 | linuxstb | sudeep: What's your project? |
16:17:14 | DataGhost | Febs MS EULA :P |
16:17:31 | Febs | :) |
16:18:11 | sudeep | basically a custom made mp3 player :) |
16:18:32 | Febs | bluebrother: are you around? |
16:18:35 | sudeep | more than an mp3 player rather. |
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16:20:32 | linuxstb | Not all of Rockbox is GPL'd code though... |
16:20:38 | DataGhost | he's gone already |
16:20:50 | DataGhost | I guess he just invented a laptop with an mp3 decoder |
16:20:51 | DataGhost | not sure though |
16:20:52 | DataGhost | :P |
16:21:41 | w1ll14m|work | linuxstb: if it's not GPL'd which license is used then ? |
16:22:27 | amiconn | w1ll14m|away: A certain percentage of the german highways (autobahn) doesn't have a speed limit... |
16:23:05 | DataGhost | ah that was stupid |
16:23:14 | DataGhost | i added my AIM thingy to my rockbox profile |
16:23:20 | DataGhost | and I just figured out that anyone can contact me |
16:23:22 | DataGhost | heh. |
16:23:54 | Llorean | DataGhost: Yes, I'd strongly recommend against putting IM contacts in the forums especially. |
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16:24:03 | DataGhost | [16:22:57] rogerlubrique: j'ai un ipod 80GB \n et je veux linux \n dessus \n tu peu m'aider |
16:24:04 | DataGhost | ... |
16:24:09 | DataGhost | in french too |
16:24:16 | DataGhost | I think he's going to babelfish that now |
16:24:21 | DataGhost | I'll remove them indeed, heh |
16:25:09 | DataGhost | i just said in french that I don't speak/read french.. heh |
16:26:03 | w1ll14m|work | amiconn: i know :) but in the netherlands al the roads have a speed limit |
16:26:16 | DataGhost | good thing I know which roads don't |
16:26:38 | DataGhost | 200km/h on a 120km/u road isn't very eh.. good for my bank account |
16:26:44 | DataGhost | km/u = km/h |
16:27:35 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost: hehe indeed... but that's why we have tomtom and use POI :) most of the times you can keep the bills away... ;) |
16:27:40 | luckz | 16:22:29 < amiconn> w1ll14m|away: A certain percentage of the german highways (autobahn) doesn't have a speed limit... <- there is a suggested max speed, however |
16:27:44 | DataGhost | :) same yeah |
16:27:54 | DataGhost | indeed luckz |
16:27:54 | DataGhost | but it's suggested |
16:27:54 | DataGhost | and still higher than the NL limit |
16:28:02 | DataGhost | anyway brb |
16:28:03 | w1ll14m|work | True |
16:28:07 | luckz | uh, isn't the NL limit 130 oftenish? |
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16:28:21 | w1ll14m|work | lukz: no, maximum is 120 km/h |
16:28:25 | luckz | oh, kay. |
16:28:36 | luckz | well, 120 is the usualy max speed I encounter |
16:28:47 | w1ll14m|work | luckz: we often drive 170 on some roads ;) |
16:28:54 | luckz | in .nl? |
16:29:03 | w1ll14m|work | luckz:yeah mostly 120km/h roads |
16:29:05 | luckz | I thought you were pretty likely to get caught speeding |
16:29:12 | luckz | and the fines are.. high. |
16:29:33 | luckz | or so I'm told by the people who don't want me to drive too fast in NL ;p |
16:29:41 | w1ll14m|work | luckz: we have a good site which update's every day speed traps |
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16:29:58 | linuxstb | w1ll14m|work: A fair amount of Rockbox code (mainly the codecs, but other parts as well) are licensed under open source licenses with fewer restrictions than the GPL. So we can combine them with GPL'd code. |
16:30:14 | w1ll14m|work | linuxstb: ok, just intrested :) |
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16:30:48 | w1ll14m|work | luckz: we only drive that fast when we know there are no speed traps (and that's on ways we drive everyday) |
16:30:56 | luckz | w1ll14m|work, I'm used to people in NL driving rather slowly but switching lanes every two seconds in some strange attempt to 'wiggle' through traffic faster that way |
16:31:33 | DataGhost | "I little to translate" |
16:31:42 | DataGhost | "you Na Pa a tutorial for the install" |
16:31:43 | DataGhost | rofl. |
16:31:46 | w1ll14m|work | gottsa go :) cya later :) |
16:31:47 | luckz | Na Pali? |
16:31:48 | DataGhost | he just made it less readable |
16:31:49 | luckz | bye. |
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16:31:58 | DataGhost | n'a pas is what he means i think |
16:32:00 | luckz | well, I suggest not to miss exits at 200 kmh. |
16:32:11 | DataGhost | but he's trying to translate french street language through a computer :) |
16:36:47 | kclaf2K7 | [16:24] (fn'DataGhost): [16:22:57] rogerlubrique: j'ai un ipod 80GB \n et je veux linux \n dessus \n tu peu m'aider = I have a 80GB ipod and want linux on it, can you help ? |
16:36:59 | daurnimator | luckz: i do that with crowds |
16:37:04 | daurnimator | - when i've lost weight |
16:37:22 | daurnimator | i just have heaps of fun running as fast as i can through REALLY crowed places |
16:37:28 | daurnimator | jumping through tiny gaps |
16:37:35 | daurnimator | over strollers |
16:37:36 | daurnimator | etc |
16:38:01 | luckz | daurnimator: in really crowded places, you can turn around. did you try driving backwards on a highway to get back to the exit you missed? |
16:38:35 | daurnimator | lesson: don't miss your exit |
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16:39:22 | luckz | well, in the particular case I'm referring to I was stupidly trying to overtake somebody before the exit |
16:39:26 | jhMikeS | hello |
16:39:28 | luckz | however, they were also driving ~180 |
16:39:31 | luckz | hel-lo |
16:39:45 | petur | heya jhMikeS ;) |
16:40:14 | jhMikeS | got a svn checkout but can't seem to access the read only cvs repository anonymous or otherwise to do a diff |
16:41:10 | petur | all versions are also in svn (iiuc) |
16:41:47 | bluebrother | Febs: now I'm back. |
16:41:49 | Bagder | no, the cvs is no longer accessible |
16:42:12 | Febs | bluebrother: sicne your change to the manual yesterday, I can't compile the manual. |
16:42:32 | Febs | I'm using VMWare. |
16:42:33 | jhMikeS | Bagder: my understanding was there was supposed to be a read only cvs for the purpose I mentioned. I asked about it and I believe you said that wouldn't be a problem. |
16:42:44 | bluebrother | hmm. That should work ... |
16:42:50 | Bagder | yes, and it was around until this morning |
16:43:03 | petur | (european time) |
16:43:08 | Febs | I get the error: xargs: invalid option −− I |
16:43:17 | bluebrother | *argh* |
16:43:36 | bluebrother | I just changed -i to -I to fix building on OS X. |
16:43:46 | bluebrother | maybe your version of xargs is outdated? |
16:43:48 | Bagder | its just that people don't seem to notice properly as long as cvs keeps working |
16:43:56 | jhMikeS | hmmm...isn't there a cvstosvn tool then (iirc)? |
16:44:16 | Bagder | jhMikeS: why not just checkout svn and then copy all your modified files over to that repo? |
16:44:27 | Bagder | then do svn diff like normally |
16:44:30 | Febs | I updated to the latest VMWare image just a few days ago, so if it is outdated, there will undoubtedly be others with the same problem. |
16:44:55 | jhMikeS | could do but I'm afraid of non-current files being interpreted as my changes |
16:44:57 | bluebrother | can you try the following: |
16:45:03 | bluebrother | open manual/Makefile |
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16:45:32 | Febs | One second while I open VMWare. |
16:45:34 | Bagder | jhMikeS: ok, so cvs update now then... |
16:45:39 | jhMikeS | thanks |
16:45:46 | bluebrother | change "xargs -I {}" in lines 17 and 18 to −−replace={}" |
16:46:01 | bluebrother | and look if that works? |
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16:46:39 | Mikachu | Bagder: you could do something friendlier like keep cvs running, but commit a change to configure that prints "please use svn" |
16:47:00 | jhMikeS | hopefully no conflicts. I blew out the root files which contained the server info. I have a couple trees to do. Will let you know when I'm done. |
16:47:07 | Bagder | ok |
16:47:20 | Mikachu | just a thought |
16:47:27 | bluebrother | hmpf. Looks like OS X's xargs doesn't understand −−replace :( |
16:48:01 | Mikachu | This option is deprecated; use -I instead. says the manpage |
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16:49:54 | Febs | bluebrother: I get an error /bin/sh: line 1: −−replace={}: command not found |
16:50:08 | Febs | This is what I changed line 17 to: @find * -type d \! -regex '.*\.svn.*' | −−replace={} mkdir -p $(OBJDIR)/{} |
16:50:14 | Bagder | Mikachu: its just that cvs alone keeps the server load pretty high and it feels good to get tid of that |
16:50:57 | Mikachu | even when nobody is using it?? |
16:51:09 | Bagder | clearly many people are using it |
16:51:17 | bluebrother | ah, my bad. use −−replace (without the ={} part) |
16:51:25 | linuxstb | What about just disabling anonymous access? |
16:51:36 | Mikachu | i guess changing the configure isn't quite enough if you just update and rebuild in the build dir |
16:51:38 | goffa | topic |
16:51:40 | goffa | grr |
16:52:01 | bluebrother | Mikachu: so OS X understands −−replace? |
16:52:13 | Mikachu | no, that was the man page for gnu grep |
16:52:17 | Mikachu | but maybe you should try -I? |
16:52:42 | bluebrother | I'm using -I, but it seems old versions of xargs don't know that. |
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16:52:55 | bluebrother | instead they work fine with −−replace |
16:52:58 | Mikachu | i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do either |
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16:53:02 | bluebrother | just tried on my old linux box. |
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16:53:12 | Febs | Still a command not found error. Here's what I tried: @find * -type d \! -regex '.*\.svn.*' | −−replace mkdir -p $(OBJDIR)/{} |
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16:53:24 | DataGhost | there we go |
16:53:29 | DataGhost | job application done :) |
16:53:33 | linuxstb | Mikachu: The problem is to copy a directory tree without copying the contents of any .svn directories. |
16:53:34 | bluebrother | Febs: you need to keep the xargs after the | |
16:53:47 | Mikachu | i would use something like tar c −−exclude .svn | ( cd /other/dir; tar x) |
16:54:01 | Mikachu | that is missing a . after .svn |
16:54:15 | Mikachu | or maybe this looks nicer |
16:54:20 | jhMikeS | Bagder: you turned it off again? I had one more to do :) |
16:54:23 | Mikachu | tar c −−exclude .svn . | tar -C /other/dir x |
16:54:35 | Bagder | jhMikeS: nope, it still runs |
16:54:42 | jhMikeS | hmm |
16:54:42 | Febs | That appears to work. |
16:54:47 | bluebrother | try this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/21 |
16:54:52 | Mikachu | it certainly looks a lot shorter than what you have :) |
16:55:25 | bluebrother | I think I'll need to uses find's −−exec |
16:55:27 | Mikachu | didn't you have this problem with CVS dirs too? |
16:56:14 | Mikachu | okay apparently x needs to come before -C |
16:56:40 | jhMikeS | my fault, put in the wrong server dir :) |
16:56:46 | Mikachu | here is a working command |
16:56:59 | Mikachu | mkdir /tmp/manual; tar c −−exclude .svn . | tar x -C /tmp/manual |
16:57:14 | Mikachu | :) |
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16:57:52 | Mikachu | i wouldn't be surprised if bsd tar didn't have −−exclude |
16:57:56 | bluebrother | ok, this should finally fix it: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/22 |
16:58:11 | Mikachu | or you can do some crazy find command |
16:58:36 | Mikachu | i've used linux around 6 years and i've only used find once or twice |
16:58:39 | bluebrother | at least it works on my old linux box. I'll try tonight when I get home on my workstation, and if it works I'll change it |
16:59:25 | markun | the Gigabeat now has CPU scaling |
16:59:47 | markun | unfortunately we didn't figure out how to get lower than 100MHz |
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17:02:41 | Febs | bluebrother: how can I display the directory name \rockbox without causing an error? |
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17:03:25 | bluebrother | display the directory name? What exactly do you mean? In the manual? |
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17:03:34 | Mikachu | you mean /rockbox ? :) |
17:03:34 | | Part Llorean |
17:03:45 | jhMikeS | Bagder: ok, got it. thanks |
17:04:00 | Febs | Heh. Sadly, I have to write the installation instructions for Windows users. |
17:04:14 | bluebrother | ah ... \textbackslash{}rockbox |
17:04:47 | zylche | Febs good luck on the idiot-proofing. |
17:05:03 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:05:29 | Febs | What's the saying? There's no such thing as idiot-proofing because the world will always build a better idiot? |
17:05:30 | DataGhost | I just saw someone give someone else the advice to quickformat his drive, so maybe recoveryprograms would see it this time |
17:05:41 | DataGhost | there sure are a lot of idiots on windows yeah |
17:05:47 | DataGhost | 'that doesnt work, what now?' |
17:05:53 | Mikachu | the quotient is increasing among linux users too |
17:05:58 | DataGhost | i have to admit, i couldn't help laughing |
17:06:01 | zylche | installing rockbox by command line on linux rocks. |
17:06:05 | Febs | But I am at least trying to address the more common issues. |
17:06:06 | DataGhost | yeah Mikachu.. the easier it gets..:( |
17:07:00 | Febs | For example, I'm going back to the "ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin" nomenclature instead of "[device]" because people seem to keep trying to include the brackets in the command. |
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17:07:14 | DataGhost | lol |
17:07:21 | DataGhost | I always say that too yes |
17:07:30 | DataGhost | 'without the quotes!' 'without the brackets!' |
17:07:40 | DataGhost | it really amazes me sometimes |
17:07:58 | DataGhost | thank god i can use [code][/code] in some cases :) |
17:08:00 | Mikachu | says Febs who tried to run | −−replace ;) |
17:08:05 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:08:06 | Febs | Likewise, I'm expressly instructing Windows users to change to the \rockbox directory they created as their installation directory. |
17:08:41 | DataGhost | imo, such users shouldn't even deserve anything like that on their media device |
17:08:54 | DataGhost | if they can't figure out those simple things, well.. |
17:09:02 | Febs | Ahem: bluebrother>change "xargs -I {}" in lines 17 and 18 to −−replace={}" |
17:09:18 | Mikachu | i think he meant to keep xargs :) |
17:09:35 | Febs | :) |
17:09:56 | DataGhost | oh and Febs |
17:09:59 | DataGhost | while you're on it |
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17:10:08 | DataGhost | remember that cd \rockbox will give totally different results than cd rockbox |
17:10:09 | DataGhost | :P |
17:10:14 | * | zylche agrees with DataGhost on the no rockbox for lamers claus. |
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17:11:07 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: on a default windows install, running "cmd.exe" results in a C:\ prompt |
17:11:21 | DataGhost | hm? in XP you end up in your home dir |
17:11:29 | DataGhost | which is totally unknown to most users by the way |
17:11:30 | zylche | and you go to the windows folder |
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17:11:43 | DataGhost | they only know "$home\My Documents" and $home\Desktop |
17:11:47 | * | GodEaterWeb checks |
17:11:54 | GodEaterWeb | dammit - you're right! |
17:11:56 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:11:57 | zylche | just make a windows reserved filename for some rockbox needed components so they don't delete them :P |
17:12:01 | GodEaterWeb | I'll get my coat |
17:12:12 | Febs | It's irrelevant. I'm using an absolute path in the instructions. c:\rockbox |
17:12:15 | jhMikeS | Febs: I recall it as "Trying to idiot proof the world will result in a world that only an idiot can live in.", or the like but both make sense. |
17:12:21 | DataGhost | ah ok |
17:12:30 | DataGhost | *cough* C:\ is hidden by default *cough* :P |
17:12:31 | * | DataGhost runs |
17:12:32 | GodEaterWeb | which is okay so long as %HOME% is on the same drive |
17:12:42 | zylche | no, thats the system folders DataGhost :P |
17:12:48 | DataGhost | C:\ too :) |
17:12:52 | DataGhost | you have to click something first |
17:12:53 | zylche | I forget. |
17:12:58 | DataGhost | yeah |
17:13:07 | DataGhost | it's usually something you click within the hour |
17:13:14 | DataGhost | that was approx 2 years ago for me |
17:13:33 | zylche | Is that the hour after, or the day before you try to secure windows to the best of your ability? |
17:13:35 | DataGhost | OS: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 1 (5.1 - 2600) Installed: Sat Jan 08 17:27:49 2005 (105wks 2days 23hrs 45mins 30secs ago) |
17:13:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
17:13:55 | DataGhost | and I haven't had any spyware that I know of |
17:13:59 | GodEaterWeb | SP1 ? |
17:14:05 | * | zylche applauds savage for its linux client.. |
17:14:07 | DataGhost | really amazes me to see what users can screw up within a month |
17:14:10 | DataGhost | yes GodEaterWeb |
17:14:27 | DataGhost | i refused to install sp2 back then, because it was said to be a little bit bad for your gaming performance |
17:14:36 | zylche | DataGhost well, in their defence, they don't know how to operate the machine, what a firewall does and what its used for, etc |
17:14:36 | DataGhost | and eh.. well I just quit updating at all |
17:14:37 | * | GodEaterWeb hasn't noticed |
17:14:51 | DataGhost | there's an advantage: no wga etc :) |
17:15:00 | DataGhost | disadvantage: be careful |
17:15:01 | zylche | there was no wga on mine either |
17:15:05 | DataGhost | but that's not really a problem for me |
17:15:27 | bluebrother | hmm. How about adding a cmd script to "automate" the installation a bit? |
17:16:00 | DataGhost | isn't that the same as using the installer? or doesn't rockbox have one? |
17:16:10 | * | DataGhost only familiar with ipodlinux |
17:16:21 | bluebrother | the installer can't install the bootloader currently |
17:16:27 | DataGhost | ah ok |
17:16:47 | DataGhost | it's best without bootloader ^_^ |
17:17:37 | * | zylche couldn't get the ipod automated installer to open on linux, and there were no manual instructions >.> |
17:17:46 | zylche | but thats for another channel. |
17:17:52 | DataGhost | hm? that's odd |
17:17:58 | zylche | indeed |
17:17:59 | DataGhost | there is an installer but no manual instructions? |
17:18:04 | DataGhost | usually it's the other way around, heh |
17:18:07 | zylche | yep, I blame ipodlinux. |
17:18:10 | DataGhost | lol |
17:18:20 | zylche | didn't look too far though, someone told me about this :P |
17:18:33 | DataGhost | well my 4G is pre-installer and there was none for my 5.5G |
17:18:37 | DataGhost | it didn't even work anyway |
17:18:44 | DataGhost | so I just did manual installs all the time |
17:18:47 | zylche | 5G > 5.5G |
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17:18:56 | GodEaterWeb | how's that ? |
17:18:56 | DataGhost | in what way? |
17:18:59 | zylche | [if counting backwards] |
17:19:02 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:21:38 | linuxstb | Febs: If you want me to change the text displayed by ipodpatcher, let me know, and I'll do it for the next release. |
17:22:48 | Febs | I'm just about finished making revisions to the "installing the bootloader" section. Let's see if these revisions address some of the more common problems. |
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17:22:56 | linuxstb | Febs: Also, a similar mistake for Linux/Mac users seems to be to use /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda (i.e. not the whole-disk device). |
17:23:20 | DataGhost | sda2? for what? |
17:23:27 | DataGhost | or do you mean sda1? |
17:23:35 | GodEaterWeb | no - head means /dev/sda |
17:23:47 | linuxstb | For ipodpatcher. And yes, I think I meant sda1 is commonly used in error. |
17:23:49 | GodEaterWeb | ipodpatcher requires the disk device, not the partition device |
17:24:03 | linuxstb | (or maybe people use both...) |
17:24:07 | GodEaterWeb | I've seen both |
17:24:07 | DataGhost | I guess it'll complain even GodEaterWeb |
17:24:18 | GodEaterWeb | especially on OSX |
17:24:20 | GodEaterWeb | yes it does |
17:24:26 | GodEaterWeb | but then we get posts in the forum |
17:24:32 | DataGhost | haha |
17:24:36 | GodEaterWeb | "Ipodpatcher is crap it doesn't work!" |
17:24:42 | linuxstb | Who has said that? |
17:24:47 | linuxstb | :) |
17:24:49 | GodEaterWeb | I'm paraphrasing ;) |
17:24:56 | zylche | GodEaterWeb did! |
17:25:06 | DataGhost | you should code a button for moderators |
17:25:10 | DataGhost | [PEBKAC] |
17:25:11 | * | GodEaterWeb contributed to ipodpatcher so he's unlikely to say that |
17:25:18 | DataGhost | says what the real problem is and closes the topic |
17:25:21 | DataGhost | all by 1 button! |
17:25:22 | DataGhost | :) |
17:25:26 | GodEaterWeb | most people wouldn't know what PEBKAC stands for |
17:25:37 | DataGhost | well make it a hyperlink to wikipedia |
17:25:37 | DataGhost | :P |
17:25:38 | * | zylche does <.< |
17:25:59 | GodEaterWeb | you're not an idiot that posts in the forums though zylche ;) |
17:26:05 | zylche | :P |
17:26:21 | zylche | ...wait, are you implying that I'm an idiot that is on irc? |
17:26:23 | DataGhost | just a regular idiot |
17:26:25 | GodEaterWeb | most people that know what PEBKAC stands for aren't the source of those sorts of errors |
17:26:25 | DataGhost | gmta |
17:26:27 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:26:40 | zylche | DataGhost exempt. |
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17:27:44 | GodEaterWeb | it *could* just be me - but I've noticed a sharp decline in idiot ipod posts in the last couple of days |
17:28:08 | Febs | I think it's just you. |
17:28:09 | odb|fidel_ | hello. is there any improvement regarding power management in rockbox (ipod) during the last weeks ? i amasking as the lastest version i was using ( maybe 2 month old) seems still to use more power then the ipod firmware, so battery time is smaller then apple firmware |
17:28:12 | GodEaterWeb | hahahaha |
17:28:12 | jhMikeS | svn diffs are always universal diff format and new files added with svn add are included in the diffs. am I correct? as I read it no options are needed for that. |
17:28:22 | DataGhost | GodEaterWeb maybe you should count PM and IM |
17:28:28 | GodEaterWeb | Febs: you must be deleting them before I've seen them then ;)_ |
17:28:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, that's what I found at least. |
17:28:38 | DataGhost | so far I have received 2 ipl-on-80GB-tutorial requests |
17:28:41 | DataGhost | one in french |
17:28:42 | jhMikeS | cool, less typing :) |
17:28:46 | Soap | odb|fidel_: improvements? Yes. Is rockbox as power efficient as Apple yet? no. |
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17:29:00 | odb|fidel_ | Soap: ok thx |
17:29:27 | odb|fidel_ | GodEaterWeb: maybe cause its post-christmas. so many new ipod users :d |
17:29:51 | GodEaterWeb | that would surely *increase* the posts - not decrease them ? |
17:29:52 | odb|fidel_ | regarding: many stupid ipod questions |
17:30:02 | odb|fidel_ | uh, sorry, mis-read then |
17:30:30 | GodEaterWeb | a common problem with ipod users ;) |
17:30:32 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:30:35 | odb|fidel_ | hrhr |
17:30:51 | odb|fidel_ | respect, nice answer :d |
17:30:53 | Soap | what is amazing is that ipods have 80% marketshare (at least) and only about 60% stupid-question share. |
17:31:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Less typing in what way |
17:31:08 | amiconn | ? |
17:31:13 | odb|fidel_ | from rockbox dev view ? |
17:31:35 | * | amiconn used to have a .cvsrc file with options for diff, update etc |
17:31:36 | Genre9mp3 | Soap: Only 5% of that marketshare though is familiar with Rockbox... ;) |
17:31:45 | Soap | and GodEaterWeb's anti-ipod user bias is A-showing. B-rather offensive. |
17:31:48 | odb|fidel_ | maybe cause many ipod users just use the default firmware. so the marketshare alone is not the important number |
17:32:24 | GodEaterWeb | I count myself amongst the ipod user population |
17:32:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no constant specifying "-uN" or "-u" or "-dP" it looks like |
17:32:32 | GodEaterWeb | so I'm hardly anti-ipod user |
17:32:57 | GodEaterWeb | I'm not alone in my frustration at the repeated posts we've had about the install process |
17:33:46 | Soap | you're not - but you are alone in your attitude. |
17:33:49 | t-nine | Can I ask for Wiki write permission here? |
17:34:23 | GodEaterWeb | whatever, I'm entitled to my opinion. |
17:34:49 | thegeek_ | I think I'll agree with GodEaterWeb here |
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17:35:09 | thegeek_ | it's hardly a secret that people that are "technically challenged" often get ipods |
17:35:09 | jhMikeS | wonder why I'm not showing "G" on modified files :\ where |
17:35:48 | thegeek_ | I have a 80gb 5.5G myself, so no offence to people that buy ipods |
17:35:54 | thegeek_ | we still have to face reality though;P |
17:35:55 | jhMikeS | they're definitely there and patched in |
17:36:10 | Soap | of course you are entitled to your opinion. That is not what I said. I just think you often fall on the wrong side of the rude/informative fence when it comes to clueless noobs. |
17:36:23 | t-nine | are there any mods here? |
17:39:05 | PaulJam | i don't think you need a mod. afaik everyone with write permission can add you to the list |
17:39:23 | DataGhost | or do you need a .mod? :P |
17:39:33 | jhMikeS | wierd svn up says it should show "G", but doesn't but svn status shows "M" by merges in the same tree...wtf |
17:39:40 | DataGhost | thegeek_ I think it's not just ipod-users but more like 'the entire population - x%' |
17:39:46 | thegeek_ | hehe |
17:39:47 | thegeek_ | well |
17:39:48 | DataGhost | that are technically challenged |
17:39:59 | DataGhost | but see something fancy and then they are like 'i MUST have that' |
17:40:07 | thegeek_ | I agree that ipod-owners are generally more representative of the entire population;P |
17:40:14 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:40:38 | DataGhost | like the 5.5G 80GB pms I got |
17:40:52 | DataGhost | actually the only thing you can do now is anything but playing music from the large fat32 partition |
17:41:03 | DataGhost | in theory it should work when you delete the fat32 partition and create a huge ext3 partition |
17:41:04 | thegeek_ | ;) |
17:41:13 | DataGhost | but I don't know if that's really useful |
17:41:26 | DataGhost | it'll at least rule out any need for the original firmware :P |
17:41:38 | DataGhost | hm maybe for transferring files though |
17:41:56 | DataGhost | the 'legacy' diskmode is limited at about 170 kB/s |
17:42:14 | GodEaterWeb | I'd like to see the original firmware transfer files to an ext3 parition |
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17:42:27 | DataGhost | well that'll work afaik |
17:42:32 | DataGhost | but not with iTunes |
17:42:33 | DataGhost | or any fancy database |
17:42:40 | DataGhost | unless you have a 3rd party app which can build that |
17:43:07 | DataGhost | you can still cp them on there from linux :P |
17:43:17 | DataGhost | oh it would be totally useless for windows-users |
17:43:17 | DataGhost | :P |
17:43:24 | GodEaterWeb | *you* can handle those support calls ;) |
17:43:57 | DataGhost | but since, to my knowledge, all data on my fat32 partition is still intact |
17:44:07 | DataGhost | and that it takes about 1,5 hours to transfer all my music on it again |
17:44:15 | DataGhost | I'm not quite ready to delete it and turn it into ext3 |
17:44:24 | DataGhost | hmmm |
17:44:27 | DataGhost | you know |
17:44:33 | DataGhost | i might resize it with partition magic |
17:44:42 | DataGhost | and create a 30GB ext3 at the end of the disk |
17:45:13 | DataGhost | sounds like a plan |
17:45:16 | thegeek_ | or just wait a little |
17:45:17 | DataGhost | now where did i leave that apple firmware |
17:45:19 | DataGhost | hm? |
17:45:25 | thegeek_ | my bet is that linusn will crack it pretty soon |
17:45:30 | thegeek_ | and then you can have rockbox :) |
17:45:37 | DataGhost | well we all hope he can |
17:45:42 | DataGhost | but I'm not sure what he's trying to do |
17:45:48 | DataGhost | get the loader running or get fat32 support |
17:46:05 | DataGhost | because if he's working on the loader it'll be a little while longer I guess |
17:46:07 | GodEaterWeb | from what he said I think he's already got it working |
17:46:11 | GodEaterWeb | he just needs to tidy the code up a lot |
17:46:13 | thegeek_ | thou shalt not doubt linusn |
17:46:15 | DataGhost | did? :o |
17:46:19 | thegeek_ | it's from the gospel of rockbox |
17:46:19 | DataGhost | hehe |
17:46:21 | GodEaterWeb | because he'll have done it as a quick and dirty hack just to see |
17:46:22 | thegeek_ | please obey |
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17:46:28 | DataGhost | yes GodEaterWeb |
17:46:34 | DataGhost | I thought he could read the partition table from the loader |
17:46:39 | DataGhost | or I must have missed something |
17:46:54 | GodEaterWeb | yep - but he hadn't bothered installing the firmware |
17:47:06 | GodEaterWeb | he was just checking that the ATA driver was doing the right thing |
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17:47:27 | GodEaterWeb | which if he can read the MBR - then he's sure it's working |
17:47:46 | DataGhost | yeah but I can read the disk too with this kernel |
17:47:48 | DataGhost | it just doesn't understand the fat32 partition |
17:47:55 | DataGhost | ext3 works fine |
17:47:56 | GodEaterWeb | you're using the iPL fat 32 driver though |
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17:48:00 | GodEaterWeb | now the rockbox one |
17:48:01 | DataGhost | yes |
17:48:04 | Febs | Regarding rude versus informative, I think that we all need to make an effort to be more of the latter and less of the former. And (1) I *definitely* include myself in that statement and (2) it *is* an effort. |
17:48:05 | GodEaterWeb | *not |
17:48:08 | DataGhost | that's a little bit harder for me indeed :) |
17:48:42 | DataGhost | because, as was 'discovered' today, I'm really not that experienced with hacking the kernel |
17:48:48 | thegeek_ | Febs: I kinda agree, however I think it would help a lot if we had even more "help for noobs" info more easily accessible |
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17:49:03 | thegeek_ | it would relieve some of the pressure |
17:49:03 | thegeek_ | P |
17:49:11 | Soap | wiki is open for business, thegeek_ |
17:49:34 | thegeek_ | Oh I know |
17:49:36 | thegeek_ | I'm lazy though |
17:49:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok, so I was retarded for not making a .cvsrc :P but typing those cvs commands got to be like breathing anyway. |
17:49:41 | GodEaterWeb | noobs don't like the wiki though |
17:49:44 | thegeek_ | and I'm not so much talking about the text itself |
17:49:47 | thegeek_ | more design |
17:49:52 | thegeek_ | we need big glowing arrows |
17:50:01 | thegeek_ | and lots of images |
17:50:06 | thegeek_ | not my kinda thing |
17:50:09 | thegeek_ | but I think it might help |
17:51:27 | GodEaterWeb | DataGhost: I think you'll find the rockbox code tree much friendlier than the iPL kernel |
17:51:34 | GodEaterWeb | it's a heck of a lot smaller for a start |
17:51:58 | DataGhost | yes, but I need to port the rockbox fat32 driver to the ipl kernel, right? |
17:52:05 | DataGhost | I have no clue if the rockbox thing will boot on my 5.5G |
17:52:10 | GodEaterWeb | if you insist on running iPL then yes |
17:52:17 | thegeek_ | hehe |
17:52:21 | GodEaterWeb | currently it won't |
17:52:25 | thegeek_ | I think porting it will be extremely hard;P |
17:52:26 | GodEaterWeb | give it a couple of days |
17:52:39 | GodEaterWeb | you don't really need to *port* it |
17:52:47 | DataGhost | adapt anyway :) |
17:52:48 | GodEaterWeb | just fix the fat32 iPL driver so it behaves the same |
17:52:56 | GodEaterWeb | when confronted with big sectors |
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17:53:11 | GodEaterWeb | have you tried RB on your 4g ? |
17:53:18 | DataGhost | no |
17:53:22 | DataGhost | never tried rb :P |
17:53:25 | Febs | I think that the solution may be to have a sticky thread (like the one that GodEater has already done) that points to the wiki. E.g., "Problem: -1 error. Solution: LinkToWiki" |
17:53:29 | GodEaterWeb | you could always try it and see if you like it :) |
17:53:38 | t-nine | okay, so can someone add me to the write list? |
17:53:43 | DataGhost | yeah indeed, but currently I'm focusing on my 5.5G |
17:53:46 | * | GodEaterWeb tried very hard not to be rude in that thread |
17:53:53 | Febs | That way, there is a sticky thread right there in the forum, but we don't have to update information in multiple places when it changes. |
17:54:19 | thegeek | good idea |
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17:55:03 | GodEaterWeb | time to go home |
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18:06:20 | DataGhost | ah |
18:06:21 | DataGhost | this is nice |
18:06:26 | DataGhost | dmesg also prints backtraces :) |
18:07:59 | DataGhost | ah w00t |
18:08:02 | DataGhost | my diskmode-program also works |
18:08:15 | DataGhost | now my iPod will boot, output dmesg to a file and then reboot to diskmode \o/ |
18:08:26 | DerPapst_ | heh |
18:08:30 | DerPapst_ | nifty |
18:08:33 | DataGhost | yeah |
18:08:43 | DataGhost | now i've got to write something to map the backtrace into useful function names |
18:08:53 | DataGhost | or i need to find the magic function Bagder was talking about |
18:10:13 | Mikachu | ksymoops? |
18:10:26 | DataGhost | that might even be the one I was looking for |
18:10:28 | Mikachu | you need the System.map for the kernel it's running then |
18:10:34 | DataGhost | yes |
18:10:35 | DataGhost | eh |
18:10:42 | DataGhost | oh wait I need to copy that to the device too |
18:10:46 | DataGhost | how will it find that |
18:10:53 | Mikachu | no you can run it on your computer |
18:10:57 | DataGhost | however eh.. __backtrace() doesn't even look it up |
18:11:00 | DataGhost | oh |
18:11:03 | DataGhost | ksymoops will interpret it? |
18:11:06 | DataGhost | nice |
18:11:17 | Mikachu | i think so... at least if it's an oops report :) |
18:11:24 | DataGhost | well it looks like it |
18:11:48 | Mikachu | you might need some more stuff, i've only used it once |
18:11:52 | DataGhost | Function entered at [<000601b4>] from [<000608a4>] |
18:11:53 | DataGhost | Function entered at [<000607a8>] from [<000607a4>] |
18:11:56 | DataGhost | etc |
18:12:09 | DataGhost | but I can do some magic with pcre, if needed :) |
18:12:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what do you think about running DMA on coldfire at level 6 and setting HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL to 5 so that in certain situations DMA interrupts can be disabled? I want to coordinate certain things with DMA but not have it disabled when reading buttons and such or we know what happens. Does anything atm run level 6? |
18:13:30 | Mikachu | ksymoops should translate those to symbols |
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18:16:04 | DataGhost | it's working brilliantly |
18:16:06 | DataGhost | thanks Mikachu :) |
18:16:09 | Mikachu | nice |
18:16:16 | DataGhost | I can even just feed it the entire dmesg |
18:16:23 | DataGhost | it'll get the relevant pieces |
18:16:28 | Mikachu | just be sure it's not using symbols from your desktop kernel |
18:16:33 | DataGhost | no, heh |
18:16:39 | DataGhost | ksymoops -m /dev/shm/linux/System.map < /mnt/ipod/dmesgoutp |
18:16:40 | DataGhost | :) |
18:17:04 | Mikachu | you have a linux source tree in tmpfs? :) |
18:17:09 | DataGhost | yes |
18:17:16 | DataGhost | I can copy it back when I need to |
18:17:31 | DataGhost | let's say I noticed a factor 5 speedup |
18:17:34 | DataGhost | give or take some |
18:17:38 | DataGhost | :) |
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18:17:50 | Mikachu | hm, should theoretically be the same, since tmpfs can swap, and disk should stay in pagecache |
18:18:05 | DataGhost | well tmpfs is in my RAM eh |
18:18:09 | DataGhost | so it needs no disk reads at all |
18:18:16 | Mikachu | yes i know |
18:18:23 | DataGhost | from the disk it always seems to do them |
18:18:27 | DataGhost | at least disk writes |
18:18:28 | DataGhost | quite a few |
18:18:52 | DataGhost | I don't exactly know how |
18:19:07 | DataGhost | but I call a monofactor-experiment resulting in 11 mins from disk and 2 mins from shm |
18:19:10 | DataGhost | reproducible |
18:19:17 | DataGhost | not an 'error' |
18:19:18 | DataGhost | :) |
18:22:01 | DataGhost | that was on a dualcore machine by the way |
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18:22:04 | DataGhost | with make -j3 |
18:22:14 | DataGhost | but I think it worked with 1 thread aswell |
18:22:18 | DataGhost | hi GodEater |
18:22:23 | GodEater | 'lo |
18:22:25 | GodEater | home already |
18:22:42 | DataGhost | I just got it to backtrace anything I want, dump that to a file with dmsg and reboot automatically to diskmode |
18:22:57 | DataGhost | and when I feed it in ksymoops it's readable :) |
18:23:09 | GodEater | nice ;) |
18:23:51 | DataGhost | +e by the way |
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18:31:55 | DataGhost | Mikachu |
18:32:04 | DataGhost | make dep && make boot on an athlon 1400, from shm |
18:32:12 | DataGhost | real 0m16.726s |
18:32:12 | DataGhost | user 0m11.960s |
18:32:12 | DataGhost | sys 0m3.940s |
18:32:12 | God_Eater | right - now to see if I can duplicate LinusN's success with the 80G :) |
18:33:21 | DataGhost | screen flooding with calltraces |
18:33:24 | DataGhost | on every disk read error |
18:33:25 | DataGhost | :P |
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18:35:09 | Nico_P | God_Eater: there's been a success with the 80G ? |
18:35:15 | DataGhost | heh |
18:35:17 | DataGhost | yes |
18:35:20 | God_Eater | yep |
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18:35:32 | DataGhost | I even made a movie with iDoom on it |
18:35:39 | Nico_P | wow |
18:35:45 | DataGhost | and pics from podzilla |
18:35:50 | DataGhost | but that wasn't as interesting |
18:35:53 | GodEater | DataGhost is the real hero here :) |
18:35:59 | DataGhost | :) |
18:36:01 | GodEater | he made it happen :) |
18:36:10 | Nico_P | how did it happen ? |
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18:36:17 | GodEater | he ran the iPL kernel successfully |
18:36:20 | GodEater | after he hacked it a bit |
18:36:32 | GodEater | which gave us clues as to what the problem with the disk controller were |
18:36:37 | Nico_P | nice |
18:36:54 | GodEater | LinusN has hacked the RB bootloader a bit to confirm the problem |
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18:37:04 | GodEater | I'm going to try and do the same |
18:37:48 | DataGhost | pff |
18:37:55 | DataGhost | the real kernel is still very complicated |
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18:38:03 | DataGhost | I'm going to give rockbox a try, with my modified partitiontable |
18:39:25 | DataGhost | and remind me I need 5 more monitors |
18:40:05 | GodEater | heh |
18:43:13 | Nico_P | i just read the forum topic... so LinusN has a working ATA driver ? |
18:45:47 | GodEater | he has an ATA driver than can read the partition table |
18:45:54 | GodEater | that's the limit of what we've done so far |
18:45:59 | Nico_P | ok |
18:46:13 | GodEater | read the irc log for more detail |
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18:47:49 | Hdaackda | hey, can any1 help me. i cant seem to run DOOM. it says missing base wad |
18:48:08 | DataGhost | then you don't have the base wad |
18:48:19 | Hdaackda | which one is tht? |
18:48:19 | Llorean | Hdaackda: Do you have both of the wads the instructions say it requires? |
18:48:39 | Hdaackda | i downlaoded the doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad in the .rockbox/doom directory |
18:48:59 | Llorean | And you're running a new enough official version of Rockbox? |
18:49:01 | Hdaackda | i also copied the doom2.wad in that directory |
18:49:07 | Hdaackda | latest |
18:49:28 | Llorean | Are you sure you extracted it so that the plugins too are up to date? |
18:49:37 | Hdaackda | yes |
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18:50:19 | Llorean | What's the modified date on your doom.rock? |
18:50:53 | Hdaackda | jan 12, 2007 |
18:51:09 | Llorean | And today, being January 16, how is that the latest? |
18:51:22 | Hdaackda | almost man. almost |
18:51:29 | Llorean | 4 days is hardly 'almost' |
18:51:36 | Hdaackda | has the vresion changed? |
18:52:04 | maquis | Hdaackda: my suggestion is to assume that stuff has changed in the past 4 days |
18:52:12 | Llorean | Hdaackda: Yes, it has. |
18:52:26 | Hdaackda | oh ok :| |
18:52:30 | Llorean | Hdaackda: In fact, on January 13th, they changed the location base wads belong TO /.rockbox/doom from the previous location, which is where your outdated on looks |
18:52:41 | Llorean | Which is exactly why I asked which version you had |
18:52:51 | Hdaackda | oops , sorry |
18:52:53 | Llorean | And I could've told you that was your cause sooner if you'd actually told me the truth about the age of your version. |
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18:54:21 | Hdaackda | btw, any chance the rockcalendar.rock gets written for the ipod? |
18:54:43 | DerPapst_ | if you do it sure |
18:55:09 | Hdaackda | i know zilch about coding and stuff. the most i can do is translate stuff from english to urdu |
18:55:12 | Llorean | The core devs tend to work on the core. |
18:55:41 | Llorean | Right now there's a TON of more important things being worked on for iPod. |
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18:55:55 | Hdaackda | k. and is there any 3rd place where they have unofficial plugins for the rockbox (for the ipod) |
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18:56:05 | Hdaackda | Llorean: ok |
18:56:34 | DerPapst_ | i don't thinks so. every rock available are somehow in svn |
18:56:38 | DerPapst_ | -s |
18:56:47 | Llorean | Hdaackda: Of course, it might get included sooner if Rockcalender were actually a part of Rockbox instead of entirely third party. |
18:57:15 | Hdaackda | hmm |
18:57:47 | Llorean | But for that to happen the person has to actually submit it to the tracker. |
18:59:09 | n1s | Llorean: it's in the tracker afaik |
18:59:24 | Llorean | n1s: I just searched the tracker for "calender" and came up with nothing |
18:59:32 | Llorean | If it is, it's not obvious to find. |
18:59:48 | n1s | but it uses a non-standard vkeyboard that doesn't support any non lating symbols... |
18:59:55 | spug | what about "calendar"? |
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19:00:10 | n1s | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760 |
19:00:35 | spug | yeah, it's spelled with an A |
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19:01:10 | Llorean | Apparently my spelling loses. |
19:01:49 | n1s | It seams someone will need to make it use the standard vkeyboard at least |
19:02:09 | Llorean | That often happens with plugin-patches. |
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19:02:26 | Llorean | The plugin author usually only writes it to the "good enough for what I want" point and doesn't follow through for inclusion. |
19:03:01 | linuxstb | It also uses custom menus... |
19:03:29 | * | linuxstb wonders how mazezam slipped in with custom menus... |
19:03:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Who committed it? |
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19:05:16 | linuxstb | "svn log mazezam" tells me "midk" |
19:05:21 | Llorean | Ah |
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19:13:24 | DataGhost | ah ok |
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19:13:34 | DataGhost | i figured out how to run rockbox without loader |
19:13:41 | DataGhost | now for my partition table :) |
19:13:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
19:14:45 | DataGhost | heh, fdisk now thinks my 80GB iPod is 1,2 terabyte :) |
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19:15:08 | DataGhost | still no partition found |
19:15:17 | Juice^ | that would be a nice capacity for an mp3 player ;) |
19:15:22 | DataGhost | hehe |
19:16:01 | DataGhost | GodEater you said linus has reads working..? on rockbox or what? |
19:16:23 | linuxstb | DataGhost: IIUC, Rockbox needs patching to not do single-sector reads... It can already handle the partition table. (i.e. the opposite to the IPL kernel). |
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19:16:44 | DataGhost | oh yeah well |
19:16:53 | DataGhost | since rockbox should support fat32.. |
19:17:10 | DataGhost | at least I know how to put it on there now |
19:17:51 | DataGhost | i really hate those stupid helpdeskers on msn |
19:18:04 | DataGhost | some guy offered me an iPod |
19:18:12 | DataGhost | i thought like.. maybe he read the forum thingies |
19:18:22 | DataGhost | so i was so stupid to reply |
19:18:32 | DataGhost | 'haha jk... next question, how do i do ..... in photoshop' |
19:18:36 | DataGhost | }:| |
19:18:50 | DerPapst | hehe |
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19:25:47 | DataGhost | dinner time |
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19:27:20 | Soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8208.msg64138#new |
19:27:40 | Soap | These people ^^ complaining of new crashes on their 4th generation iPods... |
19:28:05 | Soap | ...starting with the 2007-01-13 daily build... |
19:28:25 | Soap | Is that the first daily with the new arm-optimised memcopy? |
19:29:18 | debauched_sloth | Soap: people were also complaining of errors loading, when the same build but not built in SVN, worked |
19:29:56 | debauched_sloth | we had one guy here who complained of this, was supplied with a rockbox built not in SVN but from current source, it worked |
19:30:06 | debauched_sloth | have seen the same several times with the GB |
19:31:17 | Soap | nevermind, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6528 was closed on the 14th. |
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19:31:30 | Soap | so it can' |
19:31:41 | Soap | can't be why their problems started on the 13th. |
19:31:45 | pixelma | Soap: the frontpage says the memcopy-commit was on 13 Jan 23:57 |
19:32:25 | perl|work | wondering, whats the original manufacturers opinion on the whole rockbox phenomena? has anybody ever gotten any angry letters? |
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19:32:57 | debauched_sloth | I am suggesting that SVN may be throwing bad builds |
19:33:07 | debauched_sloth | not related to the ARM memcopy |
19:33:08 | Soap | pixelma: ahh, the "last 4 weeks" link works now. 23:57 on the 13th. What time did the daily build for the 13th get made? |
19:33:24 | Soap | I grok what you are suggesting debauched_sloth. |
19:34:00 | spiorf | perl|work, they shouldn't be disappointed, since you still need to buy the player to put rockbox in |
19:34:33 | pixelma | Soap: I do not know... |
19:34:49 | debauched_sloth | Soap, sorry |
19:35:00 | Soap | no need to be sorry. |
19:36:37 | perl|work | spiorf well apple comes to mind, with their drm obsession |
19:37:33 | debauched_sloth | In the case of Apple, they also derive some serious revenue from iTunes. If someone is running Rockbox, they are not buying from iTunes |
19:37:46 | perl|work | exactly my point |
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19:38:53 | blue_lizard | hello all |
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19:39:19 | * | Soap was under the impression iTunes made no profit, that iTunes existed to drive hardware sales. |
19:39:33 | blue_lizard | anybody here with Xgl / Nvidia / compiz and white windows problems experiences? |
19:39:35 | DogBoy | I think that's true |
19:39:42 | perl|work | i doubt 2,000,000,000 sold tracks count as no profit |
19:39:57 | DogBoy | if there is no profit it does |
19:39:59 | Soap | 2 trillion times zero still equals zero. |
19:40:05 | DogBoy | they pay record companies to do that |
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19:40:24 | perl|work | 2 trilliom times 1 it is though |
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19:40:47 | Soap | but then opritunity cost says a 1% profit is a loss, because you could have made more in a savings account. |
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19:40:52 | blue_lizard | wtf thats the wrong channel here |
19:40:57 | blue_lizard | sorry guys |
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19:41:14 | Soap | and it was a wasted investment. |
19:41:18 | * | debauched_sloth Thinks that ipods make no profits and itunes makes all the profit |
19:41:38 | perl|work | debauched_sloth im with you on that |
19:41:39 | * | debauched_sloth Thinks the same holds true for Zunes |
19:42:04 | debauched_sloth | give away the razor, sell the blades |
19:42:08 | perl|work | i know what it takes to get your tracks on itunes and what kind of slice of the pie they take |
19:42:43 | DogBoy | you know how much they're paying record companies for the tracks? |
19:42:50 | Soap | and overhead. |
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19:43:15 | Soap | Every stock analyst site I'm pulling up says itunes is a loss leader and hardware is the profit machine. |
19:43:27 | DogBoy | anybody have a clue about the spec of embedded images in itunes files? spec video |
19:43:42 | perl|work | DogBoy it differes really |
19:43:56 | perl|work | about record companues royalties |
19:44:03 | debauched_sloth | they are also selling videos up there |
19:44:08 | DogBoy | I just want an image to showup when on the ipod when video is playing on the tv |
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19:44:34 | DogBoy | like this: http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/2005/11/18/graphics/figure5.gif |
19:45:31 | * | DerPapst is confused. |
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19:45:46 | DerPapst | i can't replace the firmware from my ipod anymore |
19:45:53 | DataGhost | ? |
19:46:08 | DataGhost | even if you dd a previous image DerPapst? |
19:46:14 | DataGhost | or isn't it ipodpatcher-related? |
19:46:18 | Soap | debauched_sloth: earning over 150$ profit on high end ipods in not giving away the razor. |
19:46:31 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher says that it has written something to the firmware partition but the apple_fw has survived |
19:46:38 | DataGhost | oh |
19:46:40 | Soap | selling an average of 20 itunes tracks per ipod owner is not making money on blades. |
19:46:44 | DataGhost | strange |
19:47:18 | DerPapst | i've used the -wfb option which has always worked for me |
19:47:57 | Soap | DogBoy: Rockbox does not currently support any sort of TV out on the iPods. |
19:48:07 | DogBoy | I know that |
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19:49:52 | DogBoy | Soap: it was an off topic question |
19:50:01 | DogBoy | I figure it's a good bet someone in here knows |
19:50:36 | debauched_sloth | Soap: would love to be wrong, but don't think that is their plan. If they are smart, they will track what Microsoft did and own the software. The 'software' for these boxes is tunes. |
19:50:55 | DerPapst | heh.. the apple_fw is allmighty |
19:50:59 | debauched_sloth | The margin on the HW will go away - anyone can clone the HW. |
19:51:06 | Soap | Read forbes, WSJ, any of the financial rags. They make money on the hardware, not the tunes. |
19:51:12 | debauched_sloth | The SW, as we know, can be cloned |
19:51:28 | debauched_sloth | Soap: I do, and I don't think that they will long term |
19:51:48 | Soap | like I said - the math of tunes:players sold is 20:1 You can't make a large profit on selling only 20 tracks per player. |
19:52:12 | debauched_sloth | Yes, but add a few videos, get people to release exclusively on itunes, you change the dynamics entirely |
19:52:24 | debauched_sloth | to do that, they have to own the distribution |
19:52:45 | debauched_sloth | and then they are rolling in the profit, and people cannot clone that away from them |
19:52:46 | Soap | that's fine - your model may be correct _in the future_ but it is not the model today. |
19:53:00 | DogBoy | like microsoft I think apple's goal is to move towards that type of business model |
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19:53:06 | debauched_sloth | yes |
19:53:08 | DogBoy | but I don't think they're there yet |
19:53:12 | DogBoy | by any means |
19:53:13 | GPool | hello, is the 80gb working now? |
19:53:18 | debauched_sloth | but it means they are hostile to 3rd party firmware in any case |
19:53:29 | debauched_sloth | as is microsoft |
19:53:31 | DogBoy | so they still make the bulk of their money from hardware sales |
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19:53:41 | DerPapst | GPool: no |
19:53:48 | DerPapst | not yet |
19:54:11 | GPool | was there a breakthrough of some kind? |
19:54:26 | GPool | if so can you please link me to the CVS/SVN source code |
19:54:26 | DerPapst | check the forum thread and you'll know |
19:54:34 | GPool | ok i will |
19:54:41 | DerPapst | :) |
19:54:49 | DerPapst | (hint: page 4) |
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19:58:26 | DogBoy | debauched_sloth: I think maybe you're right about that, it's just that in making your point you missed the difference between the way they want it to work and the way it works currently |
19:59:01 | DogBoy | they want to make more money selling content but currently don't |
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20:00:12 | capsaicin | big props and thanks to the people getting disk access on the ipod 80GB working!! (DataGhost, GodEater, DerPapst, etc) it's only a matter of time now.. |
20:00:38 | DogBoy | oh, is the 80 gig almost working |
20:00:43 | DogBoy | cool |
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20:01:05 | DogBoy | my buddy had a fit when I told him about rockbox and how it wouldn't work on his 80 gig |
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20:04:16 | GodEater | whee - no more IDNF errors |
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20:11:31 | efyx_ | Hi all :) |
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20:11:36 | bluebrother | hi |
20:13:11 | DataGhost | what did you do GodEater |
20:13:15 | efyx_ | I have a little problem when i want to build the UIsimulator from the svn, are there any other way to build the UIsimulator? |
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20:13:38 | efyx_ | Or i need to wait for someone fix the error? |
20:13:39 | GodEater | DataGhost: change my calls to ata_read_sectors to use a count parameter in multiples of 2 |
20:13:45 | DerPapst | yay i killd teh apple_fW!!1 |
20:13:48 | DataGhost | :) |
20:14:03 | bluebrother | efyx_, what _is_ the error? |
20:14:20 | bluebrother | and which target do you want to build it? |
20:14:22 | efyx_ | bluebrother, "cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory" |
20:14:24 | GodEater | although that's still not enough to get me to where LinusN is |
20:15:09 | efyx_ | bluebrother, i try to build UIsimulator for an ipod Nano |
20:15:24 | GodEater | I wonder if I have to do some magic in copy_read_sectors() too... |
20:15:27 | * | GodEater hmms a bit |
20:15:49 | bluebrother | hmm. Building that sim works fine for me. |
20:16:17 | bluebrother | have you tried starting over, i.e. with a fresh build directory and newly configured? |
20:17:19 | * | DerPapst listens to some mod music on his 80GB iPod!!1 YAY |
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20:17:43 | efyx_ | oops i'am sorry :'( i'am stupid i forgot to take the firmware dir |
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20:17:50 | GodEater | DerPapst: you've gone completely ext3 ? |
20:18:36 | DerPapst | no.. just 256MB |
20:18:39 | DataGhost | well, there is enough space on the normal partition |
20:18:41 | DataGhost | see ^^ |
20:18:53 | GodEater | ah ha |
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20:18:56 | DataGhost | DerPapst can your userland do that already or doesn't it have a music player? |
20:19:40 | efyx_ | arg, no even with the firmware dir i have the same error, i'am going to try to do a fresh build... |
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20:20:11 | DerPapst | i've installed BleuLlamas awesome mikmodule to do that. |
20:20:26 | DataGhost | :P |
20:20:34 | DerPapst | but i haven't tried mpd (for playing mp3s) |
20:20:56 | GodEater | mpd rules :) |
20:21:11 | DerPapst | heh.. its a memory hog... |
20:21:13 | DataGhost | i'm going to dump parts of the disk with dd |
20:21:18 | DataGhost | hopefully it'll work |
20:21:20 | DataGhost | :) |
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20:22:00 | * | linuxstb spots IPL talk in #rockbox and Rockbox talk in #ipodlinux and gets confused... |
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20:22:08 | DataGhost | haha |
20:22:21 | DerPapst | hehe |
20:22:41 | linuxstb | Everyone swap channels... |
20:23:34 | goffa | mpd is a memory hog? |
20:23:58 | efyx_ | bluebrother, works great with a "fresh build" thanks :) |
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20:24:22 | goffa | heh.. might have to add talk in #mpd for mpd too .. if i get on my soapbox :P |
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20:24:36 | DerPapst | goffa: yes. it eats a lot of ram (yumm) |
20:24:58 | goffa | haven't really noticed that too much |
20:25:05 | DerPapst | on ipods... |
20:25:08 | DataGhost | hm hm |
20:25:09 | DataGhost | as I thought |
20:25:16 | DerPapst | not pcs ;) |
20:25:16 | DataGhost | dd seems to have no problem at all reading these things |
20:25:16 | goffa | oh.. yeah.. i could see that on an ipod |
20:25:20 | bluebrother | efyx_, the sims are build regularly (like the svn builds), so if one doesn't build you can see that on the svn builds page. |
20:25:35 | goffa | missed the first part of the conversation |
20:29:05 | DataGhost | okay |
20:29:19 | DataGhost | dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/ddhda2.bin count=1 |
20:29:21 | DataGhost | gives me |
20:29:25 | DataGhost | http://dataghost.com/ddhda2.bin |
20:29:32 | DataGhost | which is exactly the start of the fat32 partition |
20:29:43 | DataGhost | so it's not offset |
20:30:09 | DataGhost | dd command was run from inside ipodlinux |
20:30:59 | DataGhost | and when reading like I did yesterday it also starts at 0x5000, starting from sector 257000 |
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20:56:48 | GodEater | LinusNL I give up - what else did you change besides the call to ata_read_sectors to get it to return 2 sectors and not 1 ? |
20:57:14 | GodEater | I still get a sector buffer full of nothing but 0xdeadbeef :( |
20:59:46 | LinusN | the multisector info in the identify info is not present, so it sets multisectors to 0 |
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21:00:08 | GodEater | ah |
21:00:12 | LinusN | and that makes it read 0 sectors |
21:00:21 | LinusN | i'm working on a fix for that |
21:01:10 | LinusN | i'm tryinbg to figure out how to best solve this entire logical sectors quirk |
21:01:17 | DataGhost | hehe |
21:01:43 | DataGhost | apple devs must be desparate or something |
21:01:51 | DataGhost | to code something like this |
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21:02:06 | LinusN | i think toshiba is the culprit here |
21:02:22 | GodEater | me too |
21:02:35 | DataGhost | well, they still had to make their firmware work :P |
21:02:41 | LinusN | their drive is not backwards compatible with normal desktop drives |
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21:02:44 | DataGhost | but why would you do something like this |
21:02:57 | DataGhost | except for slowing down others |
21:03:10 | LinusN | larger physical sectors can give you a performance gain |
21:03:27 | DataGhost | yes I know |
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21:09:24 | DataGhost | hm wait |
21:09:26 | DataGhost | i get it now |
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21:09:31 | DataGhost | i was thinking the other way around |
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21:09:39 | DataGhost | sounds logical now yes |
21:09:40 | DataGhost | :) |
21:10:30 | LinusN | i'm considering to treat the 2 logical sectors as one in the lower layer, simulating 1024-byte logical sectors |
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21:11:10 | LinusN | just thinking about the implications of that |
21:11:26 | DataGhost | I'm just gonna resume my fiddling |
21:11:30 | DataGhost | I just noticed I did something stupid |
21:11:35 | DataGhost | well, forgot something smart* |
21:12:05 | LinusN | :-) |
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21:13:36 | DataGhost | I hope I break everything now |
21:13:40 | DataGhost | that means it worked |
21:13:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:14:43 | DataGhost | hm |
21:14:45 | DataGhost | that's a hang |
21:14:48 | DataGhost | lost interrupt |
21:14:56 | * | dan_a applauds the 80Gb-ers |
21:14:58 | DataGhost | dunno if it's positive or negative |
21:15:22 | DataGhost | it did happen when i expected something to happen |
21:16:53 | DataGhost | nah |
21:17:03 | DataGhost | now it just says lost interrupt at Partition check: |
21:17:19 | GodEater | hmm |
21:17:29 | GodEater | hard coding multisectors to 2 didn't help much |
21:17:45 | DataGhost | I couldn't even find multisectors, or is that defined in rockbox? |
21:17:57 | LinusN | ata.c |
21:19:16 | LinusN | and READ_MULTIPLE would probably not work because of that |
21:19:20 | DataGhost | so thats in rockbox |
21:19:20 | DataGhost | :) |
21:19:44 | GodEater | did you redfine the sector size to 1024 in disk.c ? |
21:20:36 | * | GodEater spots the reason for it not working as "not having saved the source before compiling" |
21:20:42 | DataGhost | haha |
21:21:25 | GodEater | so doing it like that has allowed a successful disk_init I think |
21:21:39 | GodEater | I'm getting the 0x55 and 0xaa signature anyway |
21:21:41 | LinusN | no i didn't redefine SECTOR_SIZE |
21:21:51 | GodEater | I didn't mean the #define |
21:21:59 | GodEater | I meant the buffer in disk_init() |
21:22:22 | LinusN | yes, i used a 1024 byte buffer in disk.c and read 2 sectors |
21:22:27 | GodEater | same |
21:22:38 | GodEater | I'm using the full firmware here though |
21:22:41 | GodEater | not just the bootloader |
21:23:45 | GodEater | btw - completely off topic - but the Wii's version of WarioWare is superb ;) |
21:24:01 | * | GodEater watches his g/f enjoying it immensely |
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21:26:03 | * | LinusN thinks how that sentence would sound if taken out of the context :-) |
21:26:11 | GodEater | hehehehe |
21:26:54 | DataGhost | goto setup_devfs; |
21:26:55 | DataGhost | ewwwww |
21:26:57 | DataGhost | :P |
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21:30:46 | KCC | bahaha, that was pretty clever |
21:31:05 | KCC | almost as clever as plugging in a USB cable with the beatMPgirl theme |
21:31:17 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you men something like the block handling in the mmc driver? |
21:31:57 | perl|work | KCC lol |
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21:36:07 | Hans-Martin | hi folks, I've got an idea for a freaky rockbox plugin in my mind and would like to know whether it might be feasible... |
21:36:58 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, did you complete the neccessary steps to hook up th elogic analyser to the ipod's ata port? |
21:37:29 | Hans-Martin | the idea: use my iriver 120 as a digital guitar effect - things like reverb, distortion, chorus etc should be doable (i.e. anything that does not require a foot pedal) |
21:37:33 | * | amiconn is _really_ curious what initialisations the of does, and how it handles this logical sector stuff |
21:39:01 | GodEater | what's a reasonable value to try with the mutlisectors thing, given the drive lies about it's ability ? |
21:39:29 | GodEater | 16 ? |
21:39:31 | GodEater | more ? |
21:41:07 | LinusN | amiconn: no, i stopped working on the PCB CAD |
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21:41:25 | LinusN | GodEater: i dunno |
21:41:50 | amiconn | You can try various powers of 2 and (1) check the status return from the drive and (2) issue an IDENTIFY_DEVICE command and check whether and what setting the drive settled to |
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21:42:21 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, too bad :( |
21:42:23 | GodEater | no point checking powers of 1 is there ? |
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21:44:34 | dan_a | Hans-Martin: Someone has thought of it, and (I think) made a start towards it. It may be preglow or jhMikeS |
21:44:36 | LinusN | amiconn: you want me to finish it? it will take me at least a week to manufacture the PCB |
21:45:08 | amiconn | You need a full pcb to do this? |
21:45:28 | LinusN | yes, the pitch on the ZIF is so small |
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21:45:52 | amiconn | Hmm, no zif connectors to crimp onto a cable? |
21:45:54 | LinusN | soldering 40*2 wires by hand with 0.5mm pitch is not my idea of fun |
21:46:41 | amiconn | 80 pin ?? |
21:46:51 | LinusN | it needs to be a passthrough |
21:47:04 | LinusN | so 2 connectors with 40 pins |
21:47:55 | GodEater | do you really still need to do it ? |
21:48:02 | amiconn | Ah, that's the 2* |
21:48:12 | LinusN | i might still finish the project, because it can be useful for any type of ZIF cable, like LCD's and the like |
21:48:21 | GodEater | true |
21:48:24 | LinusN | not just ata |
21:48:35 | Hans-Martin | dan_a: thanx, that's promising! maybe the idea is not too freaky after all... |
21:49:02 | LinusN | and the silly toshiba drive has a thinner flex strip than others, so a regular flex cable is too thick |
21:49:14 | amiconn | I think observing the of's disk accesses is easier for getting a clue what it does than disassembling |
21:49:34 | LinusN | i had to carve off some of the insulation to make my cable fit in the socket |
21:50:12 | LinusN | i don't think we need to snoop the ata anymore |
21:52:23 | amiconn | Hmm, I can't believe that the drive is really that silly, regarding the comment in appendix C of the ata7 specs |
21:54:13 | midgey | does anyone object to me committing blackjack? |
21:54:56 | * | amiconn wonders whether the ata READ_BUFFER and WRITE_BUFFER commands might be useful here |
21:55:05 | KCC | "add cpu frequency scaling to the gigabeat" ... what does this mean exactly? |
21:55:27 | * | Soap objects to midgey not doing it earlier ;) |
21:55:41 | debauched_sloth | KCC: it means that we now run at 100Mhz instead of 300Mhz, most of the time, but we can boost the CPU if needed |
21:55:45 | * | midgey had class |
21:55:52 | debauched_sloth | it should mean better battery life but we don't have numbers yet |
21:56:03 | KCC | is the CPU boosted automatically? |
21:56:14 | Soap | Though it doesn't add up to jack squat, I've had no issues with blackjack. |
21:56:37 | midgey | i think the code is fairly solid |
21:56:41 | Soap | Like, no fires, minor explosions, or other such failures. |
21:56:43 | n1s | KCC: yes |
21:56:47 | midgey | i just think i may screw up the commit |
21:57:09 | midgey | svn commit -m "message" will commit all my local changes right? |
21:57:12 | * | pixelma still has blackjack running on her Ondio :) |
21:57:19 | KCC | ahh well then thats an amazing addition then! |
21:57:35 | KCC | thank you, thank you |
21:57:43 | fasmaie | debauched_sloth: has any of todays SVN commits on the gigabeat worked for you? |
21:57:46 | n1s | midgey: i think so, but make sure you haven't changed anything else |
21:57:53 | KCC | i had the stock toshy firmware on my 'beat for all of 10 minutes, installed rockbox, was blown away |
21:57:53 | dan_a | Does one need to do "svn add" to tell the system about files which aren't in the archive? |
21:58:06 | midgey | dan_a: i believe so |
21:58:07 | fasmaie | debauched_sloth: sorry, builds |
21:58:27 | dan_a | midgey: Then remember to do that :D |
21:58:29 | fasmaie | KCC: yes, rb os nice on the gigabeat |
21:58:31 | midgey | n1s: if i want to commit lets say two files, could the command be |
21:58:36 | fasmaie | is, even |
21:58:51 | midgey | svn commit -m message ./apps/plugins/file1 ./apps/plugins/file2 |
21:59:05 | n1s | yes that should do it |
21:59:05 | midgey | dan_a: already did (i think I got them all) |
21:59:08 | bluebrother | midgey, I prefer to omit the "-m" so I get prompted with my local editor |
21:59:21 | bluebrother | has the advantage to see again which files I'm modifying |
21:59:56 | amiconn | midgey: You can leave out the ./ part, just svn commit -m message apps/plugins/file1 apps/plugins/file2 does work |
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22:00:50 | n1s | most svn commands are identical to cvs (except for the svn/cvs part in the beginning) :-) |
22:01:18 | midgey | good to know |
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22:01:35 | * | midgey attempts his first commit |
22:02:06 | Mikachu | if you use zsh you can tabcomplete and it will only show locally changed files :) |
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22:05:36 | midgey | success, i think |
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22:07:15 | midgey | hmm, first part of the commit message got crossed off |
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22:12:43 | Soap | I just did an update and got all the blackjack.pngs |
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22:15:01 | amiconn | LinusN: One thing would still be rather interesting regarding the ipod ata - does it use dma or even udma? |
22:15:46 | DataGhost | yes |
22:15:48 | DataGhost | udma4 |
22:15:50 | DataGhost | on the 80GB |
22:16:03 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparmI.txt |
22:16:17 | amiconn | Does the of actually _use_ it, or is it just not disabled via set_features? |
22:16:28 | DataGhost | well the star says it's active |
22:16:34 | DataGhost | so I guess it does |
22:16:35 | LinusN | there's no need to disable anything |
22:17:29 | LinusN | the DMA transfers use a different command set |
22:17:52 | amiconn | yes |
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